If we knew what we were doing, we wouldn’t need LGF.

I didn’t know he said that! Cool!

If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn’t be called research, would it?

— Albert Einstein

Now, how great a quote is that? I’m going to go research it!
(Einsteins daughter married David Fairchild, a famous plant explorer. Founded the Fairchld Botanic Gardens in Florida. If you are botanically inclined, you can get a lot of his books still. He introduced plants like the tomato, avocado, and his journies of exploration are wonderfull reading).

re: #3 Floral Giraffe

He introduced plants like the tomato, avocado, and his journies of exploration are wonderfull reading) eating.

Thought I’d fix that for ya!

re: #1 freetoken

If we knew what we were doing, we wouldn’t need LGF the government.

FTFY

Good quote.

re: #1 freetoken

Hey freetoken— do you ever include RedState in your tours of rightwing blog craziness? There’s usually some piping hot fresh crazy over there.

re: #5 Gus 802

If we knew what we were doing that men wouldn’t do evil, we wouldn’t need LGF the government.

FT”FTFY”FY

re: #4 Fenway_Nation

The journals of his travels are also wonderful reading.
They sailied the China Seas on a custom built junk for the trip.
Those were the days! They also ate EVERYTHING. I’m not sure I’d have been as adventurous! Who ate the first lobster?

re: #8 freetoken

FT”FTFY”FY

Argh matey!

/True.

re: #9 Floral Giraffe

Heh….back in the day, wasn’t lobster considered overgrown vermin?

Going back to all those Canadian Geese that were gassed in NYC this month, how many people do you think they could’ve fed?

re: #9 Floral Giraffe

The journals of his travels are also wonderful reading.
They sailied the China Seas on a custom built junk for the trip.
Those were the days! They also ate EVERYTHING. I’m not sure I’d have been as adventurous! Who ate the first lobster?

If you like that sort of thing, try Attending Marvels, by George Gaylord Simpson, the accounts of a paleontologist working in South America around the turn of the century, beset by bandits and an insane, murderous camp cook, among other things. Great reading.

re: #11 Fenway_Nation

Heh….back in the day, wasn’t lobster considered overgrown vermin?

Going back to all those Canadian Geese that were gassed in NYC this month, how many people do you think they could’ve fed?

The early settlers fed lobsters to their livestock. It wasn’t considered fit for human consumption.

re: #11 Fenway_Nation

Heh….back in the day, wasn’t lobster considered overgrown vermin?

Going back to all those Canadian Geese that were gassed in NYC this month, how many people do you think they could’ve fed?

Liberals don’t eat geese.

re: #11 Fenway_Nation

Heh….back in the day, wasn’t lobster considered overgrown vermin?

Going back to all those Canadian Geese that were gassed in NYC this month, how many people do you think they could’ve fed?

They gassed some Canadian Geese? I didn’t hear about that. Must have been an airport thing. I remember my dad sweating bullets because he accidentally shot one while duck hunting.

re: #11 Fenway_Nation

Going back to all those Canadian Geese that were gassed in NYC this month, how many people do you think they could’ve fed?

Didn’t here about NYC, but they’re a plague around here, flocking up by the hundreds and never quite leaving come winter. The problem with eating them is they spend all their time free-ranging on lawns that have been soaked with pesticides and who know what else; I’d be reluctant to make them part of my diet, although I’d cheer if they marched them off to some goosey Auschwitz.

Hi everyone!

re: #17 pink freud

Hi everyone!

Hi Pink. What’s up?

re: #12 SixDegrees

I’ll let you know. I just ordered your book through Amazon, so Charles gets a piece. David Fairchild’s adventures were very genteel. I read the Teddy Roosevelt story of Up the amazon, and it wasn’t pretty. I like the civilized version of olde time adventures better.

Hey Pink!

Not a lot, PBJ, god to see you. Very quiet in here tonight, isn’t it? I saw your story earlier about your husband at the store ….wow. I have a similar one. Civil behavior doesn’t seem to be commonplace these days, does it? Makes me sad.

re: #16 SixDegrees

Didn’t here about NYC, but they’re a plague around here, flocking up by the hundreds and never quite leaving come winter. The problem with eating them is they spend all their time free-ranging on lawns that have been soaked with pesticides and who know what else; I’d be reluctant to make them part of my diet, although I’d cheer if they marched them off to some goosey Auschwitz.

Da*n. Back in the sixties I thing they were on the endangered list. That’s why my dad was so freaked out about shooting one. It would have been a huge fine if the game warden would have caught him.

re: #20 TheMatrix31

Hey Matrix! How’s classes? What’cha taking this semester?

re: #17 pink freud

Hi everyone!

Hi, pink!

re: #19 Floral Giraffe

I’ll let you know. I just ordered your book through Amazon, so Charles gets a piece. David Fairchild’s adventures were very genteel. I read the Teddy Roosevelt story of Up the amazon, and it wasn’t pretty. I like the civilized version of olde time adventures better.

Let me know what you think. I’ve read River of Doubt, if that’s the Roosevelt book you’re referring to; Attending Marvels isn’t so gritty.

The Voyage of the Beagle, by Charles Darwin, might be to your liking as well. It’s a bit of a slog, thanks to language differences, but it was written for the general public and is quite approachable.

Hi Pi guy! Nice to see you. :-) The website’s looking _really_ nice!

re: #26 pink freud

Hi Pi guy! Nice to see you. :-) The website’s looking _really_ nice!

Thanks! I’m in the process of updating the non-blog pages now (Mental Gym, Presentation, etc.). I’m currently getting hung up on a site search, but I’m plowing through.

re: #16 SixDegrees

Why do you hate AFLAC?

//

re: #22 Pvt Bin Jammin

Da*n. Back in the sixties I thing they were on the endangered list. That’s why my dad was so freaked out about shooting one. It would have been a huge fine if the game warden would have caught him.

Around here, you can’t shoot them without a license. Doing so will get you slammed by the DNR for messing with game animals, or some such.

Planting tree discourages them. They like wide open spaces, and trees make them nervous.

So do dogs.

LNDT Where the Obama boot licking is minimal.

;)

Good night, Lizards of the evening.
My eyes are getting very heavy.
PBJ, I liked your story about your husband & the older folks at the store. I hope you & he will follow though. Six Degrees, thanks for the book recommend. I’ll give it a try!

Good night, all.

Nite, FG.

Today in History, June 29th:

Highlights of this day in history: The U.S. Supreme Court effectively voids state death penalty laws; Jerusalem reunified under Israeli control after the Six-Day War; Singer Rosemary Clooney and actress Katharine Hepburn die.

Other notable June 29th events include:

1534 – Jacques Cartier makes the European discovery of Prince Edward Island.

1613 – The Globe Theatre in London, England burns to the ground.

1888 – First (known) recording of classical music, Handel’s “Israel in Egypt,” made on a wax cylinder.

1956 – The Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 is signed, officially creating the United States Interstate Highway System.

re: #23 pink freud

Hey Matrix! How’s classes? What’cha taking this semester?

Bleh….I got an A-, B+, B- in Spring….

Summer session started last Tuesday, should be interesting. Foreign Policy of US after 1945, and Persuasive Communication.

As for Fall, well, I got screwed out of a couple of classes (because discussion section times were all filled up, and thank CA for the amount of times available to the students). Right now, I’m signed up for “International Law” which I don’t want to take just yet because the teacher is somewhat difficult and it’s a TON of work. I’m also signed up for something else, but I forgot what, lol.

Wanted to sign up for a Social Psych class because it’s interesting, professor got great reviews, etc. Psych classes are closed off to non-psych majors until next week. Boo!

BBIAB.

re: #27 gmsc

Thanks! I’m in the process of updating the non-blog pages now (Mental Gym, Presentation, etc.). I’m currently getting hung up on a site search, but I’m plowing through.

Your dedication and effort are evident in its appearance. Very personable, interesting, and friendly site.

re: #31 Floral Giraffe

Goodnight!? But I just got here!

G’nite, FG, sleep well! :-)

re: #31 Floral Giraffe

G’nite, spiral skunk!

re: #25 SixDegrees

Yes, It was River of Doubt. Quite a slog.
I enjoyed Voyage of the Beagle.
David Fairchild’s books are easier to read.
And, more positively focused.

‘Night

re: #7 iceweasel

On rare occasion I get to RedState. I limit my time on the crazy farm, for my own sanity. My quick take is that RedState has some posters who want to be more serious than, say, either the FreeRep or HotAir, though that doesn’t mean that the crazies don’t hide in the rafters there too.

Really, my touring of the far-right/rabid-right/crazy websites is coming to an end.

I first came across LGF during the 2004 elections, with all the news of Rathergate…. I tried to register then but living overseas my hours were quite a bit different than Charles’. I finally registered in 2006, though also overseas, I caught a window.

LGF was one of the few political/opinion blogs I read… along with WindsOfChange, and a smattering of other sites. I never knew of sites like VDARE, FreeRepublic, etc. until I saw them mentioned on this website. FWIW, I also never bothered with DailyKos or any similar site.

There is a lot of noise in the world. Frankly it is not worth my time to try and digest it.

My touring of the right-o-sphere has been to verify what others have claimed, and to see for myself what has become of the “conservative” portion of the web. I can get from talk radio pretty much a feel for where that crowd is… I was wondering what the more technologically minded crowd that inhabits the web are up to.

During my life there has been a shift in dialogue, but not greatly so, between people who are competing for the attention of Americans. The tools have changed but the topics not so much, and certainly the ingrained world views with which we Homo sapiens wrap ourselves have barely changed during my lifetime.

Real change in human society takes place over centuries.

Right now my belief is that the great Culture Wars are not abating but simply morphing to cover new topics (such as climate change). There is a very great disconnect between highly educated specialists and the general public.

My thought has been for sometime that the US is transitioning from a representative democracy to a meritocracy. During periods of Chinese history that country has been described as being run by a meritocracy - basically, the skilled and knowledgeable people, who pretty much controlled society for the masses.

From the ranting and raving on websites, especially the so called, self-described, “right”, I’ve concluded that the American populace is pushed to the limits of its ability to change and handle new ideas and situations.

What this means for me and my own life I do not know… I’m old enough to realize that even if I live to an old age (as many in my ancestral line) that human nature will not change during my life. It is with some trepidation that I look at my “golden years” before me, wondering to where I should move (if I want to leave California) and if I desire/am able to start a second (actually third) career in the hopes of weathering better the financial storms that likely are in our not-to-distant future.

So no, I don’t plan on spending much time at RedState.

/probably more than you asked

re: #21 pink freud

Not a lot, PBJ, god to see you. Very quiet in here tonight, isn’t it? I saw your story earlier about your husband at the store ….wow. I have a similar one. Civil behavior doesn’t seem to be commonplace these days, does it? Makes me sad.

Good to see you too. Wasn’t that craziness over at the grocery store? That poor older couple must have been scared to death. Hubby said he didn’t even have to say much, the guy was on a complete rant, hanging his own self.

re: #38 Fenway_Nation

Hah. I tried to load an avatar today.
FAIL!
But, I will conqueror.
And, maybe scare some lizards ;)

re: #33 gmsc

Today in History, June 29th:

[Video]

Highlights of this day in history: The U.S. Supreme Court effectively voids state death penalty laws; Jerusalem reunified under Israeli control after the Six-Day War; Singer Rosemary Clooney and actress Katharine Hepburn die.

Other notable June 29th events include:

1534 – Jacques Cartier makes the European discovery of Prince Edward Island.

1613 – The Globe Theatre in London, England burns to the ground.

1888 – First (known) recording of classical music, Handel’s “Israel in Egypt,” made on a wax cylinder.

1956 – The Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 is signed, officially creating the United States Interstate Highway System.

1956 — Highway Welfare Bill is signed. Soon after other Federal Mandates are attached to said Highway Welfare Bill.

re: #34 TheMatrix31

That foreign policy class sounds right down my alley. I took one similar a few years ago …..started with the lead-up to WWII and went all the way thru Vietnam. Global picture, intricate detail. Very nice, I loved it.

Social psych, huh? Go to Amazon, buy Aronson’s The Social Animal and you’re done. That book covers it all. The social psych profs are some of the worst libs out there. Read up on Kitty Genovese if you get the class; let the prof know there’s new literature out debunking their closely and tightly held theories on the bystander effect. He’ll either respect you or pick on you for the rest of the semester. LOL

re: #38 Fenway_Nation

G’nite, spiral skunk!

Nice one.

I hate to leave, lizards, but can’t keep my eyes open. Take care, everyone.

re: #46 Pvt Bin Jammin

G’nite PB&J!

re: #44 pink freud

That foreign policy class sounds right down my alley. I took one similar a few years ago …..started with the lead-up to WWII and went all the way thru Vietnam. Global picture, intricate detail. Very nice, I loved it.

Social psych, huh? Go to Amazon, buy Aronson’s The Social Animal and you’re done. That book covers it all. The social psych profs are some of the worst libs out there. Read up on Kitty Genovese if you get the class; let the prof know there’s new literature out debunking their closely and tightly held theories on the bystander effect. He’ll either respect you or pick on you for the rest of the semester. LOL

LOL. I’ve heard it’s a pretty light load in that class, and the tests are multiple choice. I perform much better on multiple choice, which sucks considering the major. Eh, I’d just be taking that class for units anyway.

re: #36 pink freud

Your dedication and effort are evident in its appearance. Very personable, interesting, and friendly site.

Thanks.
:)

It’s always good to hear when good work is appreciated.

re: #46 Pvt Bin Jammin

I hate to leave, lizards, but can’t keep my eyes open. Take care, everyone.

Good night, PBJ.

re: #41 Pvt Bin Jammin

Down here, that sort of thing (since the election) has a lot of racial undertones to it. (Not just undertones, either ….overtones.) Nastiness like I’ve not ever seen in my life here.

re: #44 pink freud

That foreign policy class sounds right down my alley. I took one similar a few years ago …..started with the lead-up to WWII and went all the way thru Vietnam. Global picture, intricate detail. Very nice, I loved it.

Social psych, huh? Go to Amazon, buy Aronson’s The Social Animal and you’re done. That book covers it all. The social psych profs are some of the worst libs out there. Read up on Kitty Genovese if you get the class; let the prof know there’s new literature out debunking their closely and tightly held theories on the bystander effect. He’ll either respect you or pick on you for the rest of the semester. LOL

Kitty Genovese is a good example as to how the lower classes respond to a plea for help.

re: #46 Pvt Bin Jammin

G’nite PBJ!

re: #52 Gus 802

Kitty Genovese is a good example as to how the lower classes respond to a plea for help.

In formulating their theory, they left out some important factors such as the fact that she was already a pariah and known troublemaker in the neighborhood. But yes, you’re correct.

re: #51 pink freud

Down here, that sort of thing (since the election) has a lot of racial undertones to it. (Not just undertones, either ….overtones.) Nastiness like I’ve not ever seen in my life here.

Going on here as well in Los Angeles County.

I am really going to bed now. “Nite all.

re: #54 pink freud

In formulating their theory, they left out some important factors such as the fact that she was already a pariah and known troublemaker in the neighborhood. But yes, you’re correct.

Ouch, didn’t know that.

The factor regarding the “poor” is the “don’t snitch factor. They’re a sad lot. It’s a lot like not “snitching” on Iran or Honduras.

If that makes any sense. ;)

re: #40 freetoken

That wasn’t too much information at all! Fascinating!

LGF was one of the few political/opinion blogs I read… along with WindsOfChange, and a smattering of other sites. I never knew of sites like VDARE, FreeRepublic, etc. until I saw them mentioned on this website. FWIW, I also never bothered with DailyKos or any similar site.
My touring of the right-o-sphere has been to verify what others have claimed, and to see for myself what has become of the “conservative” portion of the web. I can get from talk radio pretty much a feel for where that crowd is… I was wondering what the more technologically minded crowd that inhabits the web are up to.

Interesting….I don’t have time for Kos or HuffPo either (in the sense that no matter how much time I had, I wouldn’t read them). It’s especially interesting that you can get a feel from talk radio where the conservative portion of the web is. Just as the right dominates talk radio, the left dominates the net, and I’ve often observed that the right on-line is very like right talk radio— and this is one of the reasons why the online right isn’t as successful. Talk radio is a very top-down process: one person controlling the dialogue, talking selected calls. The right tries to run their blogs like that too; it doesn’t work. Online is one area where the squabbling and divisiveness that infect the left actually turns out to be fertile, resulting in many blogs and many voices.

During my life there has been a shift in dialogue, but not greatly so, between people who are competing for the attention of Americans. The tools have changed but the topics not so much, and certainly the ingrained world views with which we Homo sapiens wrap ourselves have barely changed during my lifetime.
Real change in human society takes place over centuries.

Also true.

Right now my belief is that the great Culture Wars are not abating but simply morphing to cover new topics (such as climate change). There is a very great disconnect between highly educated specialists and the general public.

I have to think about that; it’s a good point. The conventional wisdom is that the culture wars are over and the religious right lost— but maybe you’re right and they’re just morphing slightly. The climate change debate is an excellent example.

From the ranting and raving on websites, especially the so called, self-described, “right”, I’ve concluded that the American populace is pushed to the limits of its ability to change and handle new ideas and situations.
Which is very dangerous. A lack of flexibility in thinking and in the ability to respond to changing conditions is a bad thing for us.
The inflexibility I’ve observed, especially on the hardcore right of late, makes me worry.

Thanks for the reply!
(PS— RedState is a boatload of crazy and you’re not missing much, believe me)

re: #51 pink freud

Down here, that sort of thing (since the election) has a lot of racial undertones to it. (Not just undertones, either ….overtones.) Nastiness like I’ve not ever seen in my life here.

I’m late into this. What happened with PBJ (PBJ’s husband?) and the grocery store?

re: #54 pink freud

In formulating their theory, they left out some important factors such as the fact that she was already a pariah and known troublemaker in the neighborhood. But yes, you’re correct.

How was she a pariah and known troublemaker? Honest request for info; I’d never heard this.

One peek at the culture of our time…

Making the rounds of right-o-sphere is this article from the British rag The Daily Mail:

The shocking picture of a white boy aged 11 being ‘converted’ to Islam by radical preacher:

This is the shocking picture of a young, white schoolboy being converted to Islam by a cleric linked to a radical Muslim hate preacher.

[…]

Why is it important that the boy is “white”? I can see running a story on a forced-conversion/religious-abuse event… but why emphasize “white”?

There are plenty of people in the UK from African and east Asian descent. Would it be different if they were the targets of the forced conversion attempt?

Bad ugliness… everywhere. It was most prescient of LGF to start emphasizing this last year.

re: #56 Gus 802

Ouch, didn’t know that.

The factor regarding the “poor” is the “don’t snitch factor. They’re a sad lot. It’s a lot like not “snitching” on Iran or Honduras.

If that makes any sense. ;)

It does. IIRC, she was connected to the mob Genovese’s, was a prostitute and was involved in drugs. Add to that the SES factor and it’s no wonder people didn’t want to get involved. All in all, not a very good example to shore up a theory that has been taught for years in psych classes.

re: #60 freetoken

One peek at the culture of our time…

Making the rounds of right-o-sphere is this article from the British rag The Daily Mail:

The shocking picture of a white boy aged 11 being ‘converted’ to Islam by radical preacher:

Why is it important that the boy is “white”? I can see running a story on a forced-conversion/religious-abuse event… but why emphasize “white”?

There are plenty of people in the UK from African and east Asian descent. Would it be different if they were the targets of the forced conversion attempt?

Probably not, because British racists also include South Asians in the category of “black” — pakistanis, bengalis, etc.

British racism is different from US racism and no less virulent.

re: #60 freetoken

One peek at the culture of our time…

Making the rounds of right-o-sphere is this article from the British rag The Daily Mail:

The shocking picture of a white boy aged 11 being ‘converted’ to Islam by radical preacher:

Why is it important that the boy is “white”? I can see running a story on a forced-conversion/religious-abuse event… but why emphasize “white”?

There are plenty of people in the UK from African and east Asian descent. Would it be different if they were the targets of the forced conversion attempt?

Bad ugliness… everywhere. It was most prescient of LGF to start emphasizing this last year.

The Daily Mail is the right-o-sphere now?

re: #58 gmsc

Her post (just to make sure I didn’t mis-relay):

OMG my hubby just came back from the grocery store. Some crazy guy was harassing a couple in their seventies so hubby placed himself between the couple and this creep. Turns out the couple had been talking between themselves about how much groceries are up and how it was going to get worse under Obama. OMG it really got ugly. The dude was screaming that it was all Bush’s fault, Obama was our savior and all whites were going to go to hell. My hubby is a big dude but he’s got balance problems and also in a neck brace after spinal surgery. The creep tried to knock my hubby down with his grocery cart. It took security forever to come over there & they really didn’t do anything. The manager said security was there for their employees & not to get involved with customers. WTF?

re: #57 iceweasel

The conventional wisdom is that the culture wars are over and the religious right lost— but maybe you’re right and they’re just morphing slightly.

In my opinion restricting the Culture War to only the effort of Evangelical Christians to influence national policy on a few key issues (e.g., abortion) is too limiting.

The history of the US is that there have always been plenty of very religious people here and that struggles over fitting society into religious restrictions/beliefs was a part of politics. Abolition, Prohibition, etc.

re: #63 Gus 802

The Daily Mail is the right-o-sphere now?

It’s a tabloid and rightwing.

re: #59 iceweasel

One of my later posts gives a bit of detail. An investigative reporter did some digging a few years back and came up with more details of the story. It shouldn’t be too hard to dig up online.

re: #63 Gus 802

The Daily Mail is the right-o-sphere now?

No, but that article is getting play in the right-o-sphere. That is what I meant.

re: #66 iceweasel

It’s a tabloid and rightwing.

Right. But the last time I checked. Our president is left wing and a complete idiot. Regardless of the right wing analogies.

re: #64 pink freud

Her post (just to make sure I didn’t mis-relay):

OMG my hubby just came back from the grocery store. Some crazy guy was harassing a couple in their seventies so hubby placed himself between the couple and this creep. Turns out the couple had been talking between themselves about how much groceries are up and how it was going to get worse under Obama. OMG it really got ugly. The dude was screaming that it was all Bush’s fault, Obama was our savior and all whites were going to go to hell. My hubby is a big dude but he’s got balance problems and also in a neck brace after spinal surgery. The creep tried to knock my hubby down with his grocery cart. It took security forever to come over there & they really didn’t do anything. The manager said security was there for their employees & not to get involved with customers. WTF?

W…T…F

Interesting article critiquing the original NY Times report on the Genovese murder, but no mention of mob, drugs, or prostitution.

re: #64 pink freud

Her post (just to make sure I didn’t mis-relay):

OMG my hubby just came back from the grocery store. Some crazy guy was harassing a couple in their seventies so hubby placed himself between the couple and this creep. Turns out the couple had been talking between themselves about how much groceries are up and how it was going to get worse under Obama. OMG it really got ugly. The dude was screaming that it was all Bush’s fault, Obama was our savior and all whites were going to go to hell. My hubby is a big dude but he’s got balance problems and also in a neck brace after spinal surgery. The creep tried to knock my hubby down with his grocery cart. It took security forever to come over there & they really didn’t do anything. The manager said security was there for their employees & not to get involved with customers. WTF?

Thanks for the catch-up.

I have noticed there’s a whole attitude about “You can’t criticize 0bama” that is omnipresent today.

I like to remind people that there are only a few world leaders in all of history whom people weren’t allowed to criticize, and I suggest they look up who they are.
;)

re: #67 pink freud

One of my later posts gives a bit of detail. An investigative reporter did some digging a few years back and came up with more details of the story. It shouldn’t be too hard to dig up online.

I’ll check, thanks. I ask partly because some of what you’d said is contrary to what I’ve read about it— the Mafia connection, for one. Her brother (?) testified that they weren’t related to or involved with the Genovese crime family.

I don’t know much about the soc-psych conclusions that have been drawn about the By-Stander effect— it seems to me that they’d be at least partially confirmed by the experiments Stanley Milgram did about bystanders, even without anything hypothesised about Genovese in particular— (not talking about the Obedience to Authority “Milgram Experiment” stuff—this is something different)

I’ll check it out. Thanks.

re: #72 ShanghaiEd

Interesting article critiquing the original NY Times report on the Genovese murder, but no mention of mob, drugs, or prostitution.

Exactly.

re: #73 gmsc

Thanks for the catch-up.

I have noticed there’s a whole attitude about “You can’t criticize 0bama” that is omnipresent today.

I like to remind people that there are only a few world leaders in all of history whom people weren’t allowed to criticize, and I suggest they look up who they are.
;)

To be honest, I’m kind of stumped.

re: #64 pink freud

Let me guess…..Mr PBJ is looking at hate-crimes charges.

I think it’s only a matter of time before something like that happens to me. I can’t see myself keeping quiet and nodding politely while This assclown @ 1600 Pennsylvania Ave keeps fucking up the country every hour of every day for the next 3 and a half years.

re: #69 Gus 802

Right. But the last time I checked. Our president is left wing and a complete idiot. Regardless of the right wing analogies.

Which doesn’t have anything to do with the question of the Daily Mail’s editorial stance— which is, as I said, rightwing.

Here’s wiki:

The Daily Mail considers itself to be the voice of Middle England[29] speaking up for “small-c” conservative[30] values against what it sees as a liberal establishment. The Mail takes an anti-EU, anti-mass-immigration, anti-abortion view, based upon “traditional values”, and is pro-capitalism and pro-monarchy, as well as, in some cases, advocating stricter punishments for crime.

So there’s your answer as to why the right-blogosphere is all over that story.

re: #79 iceweasel

So there’s your answer as to why the right-blogosphere is all over that story.

Yeah, I know. I’ve heard. About a dozen times now. But that’s not the issue.

On another topic entirely, yet another famous person has passed away this week:

re: #76 Gus 802

To be honest, I’m kind of stumped.

Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini …

re: #82 gmsc

Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini …

Are we allowed to mention that?

re: #83 Gus 802

Are we allowed to mention that?

Probably not.

re: #78 Iron Fist

We had something like that happen to an instructor in the area. Dude was a big man to start off with, but he was also a 5th Degree Black Belt. You’d think the thug woulld have thought better of it when he saw the [Redacted] School of Karate T-shirt, but no. Criminals a a class are usually pretty dumb, but this guy set up a whole new definition.

So dumb.

re: #77 Fenway_Nation

Let me guess…..Mr PBJ is looking at hate-crimes charges.

I think it’s only a matter of time before something like that happens to me. I can’t see myself keeping quiet and nodding politely while This assclown @ 1600 Pennsylvania Ave keeps fucking up the country every hour of every day for the next 3 and a half years.

His election has empowered an unsavory element of society in some very unhealthy ways. The whole thing is sitting on a foundation of shifting sand.

re: #85 gmsc

Probably not.

Yeah. Probably not. I keep forgetting. It’s all the “right wingers fault.” Even though we have President Alinsky in office sucking his thumb. Better watch out for the “Ron Paul” connection while we’re at it.

re: #89 Iron Fist

Move away from the computer. Special units are already at this moment speeding your way to take you to Joy Camp.

Oops, my fault. Maybe I should read a Huffington Post link.

re: #90 Gus 802

Oops, my fault. Maybe I should read a Huffington Post link.

Or, you could wade into the really deep end of that pool and go directly to media matters or think progress.

re: #75 iceweasel

I also found a reference that an acquaintance revealed publicly for the first time in 2004 that Kitty Genovese was a lesbian who shared an apartment with her girlfriend at the time of her murder. KG apparently worked full-time as manager of a bar.

Would her lesbianism have made her a pariah in 1960s NYC? To the extent that people wouldn’t have responded to her cries for help? I’m still searching for the drugs and prostitution angle, but nothing in her profile so far to suggest it.

re: #91 pink freud

Or, you could wade into the really deep end of that pool and go directly to media matters or think progress.

It’s getting that way. Heck, I might as well sign up to the Democratic Underground.

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/Look! Ron Paul!

re: #89 Iron Fist

Move away from the computer. Special units are already at this moment speeding your way to take you to Joy Camp.

On the first offense, they usually just make you watch this video until you can sing along:

re: #84 Iron Fist

I see nothing overtly bad on that list. Some of the anti-immigration types might be racist, but I’d say most of them just don’t want the population of half the third world moving into their back yard.

That seems a reasonable position to me.

Oh yeah— I’m not condemning the paper or its editorial stance; in fact I suspect it would be popular with a lot of people here.

It’s not as if it’s teh newsletter for stormfront or anything! — I can’t think of a good analogy with a US paper for what it would be like. Maybe the NY Post and their editorial stance? But the Mail is less tabloid-y than the NY Post.

re: #94 gmsc

On the first offense, they usually just make you watch this video until you can sing along:

[Video]

How dare you!

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More about Bush.

/

re: #91 pink freud

Yea…….lord knows when I want even-handed and thought provoking insight, media matters id the first place I head.

re: #60 freetoken

One peek at the culture of our time…

Making the rounds of right-o-sphere is this article from the British rag The Daily Mail:

The shocking picture of a white boy aged 11 being ‘converted’ to Islam by radical preacher:

Why is it important that the boy is “white”? I can see running a story on a forced-conversion/religious-abuse event… but why emphasize “white”?

There are plenty of people in the UK from African and east Asian descent. Would it be different if they were the targets of the forced conversion attempt?

Bad ugliness… everywhere. It was most prescient of LGF to start emphasizing this last year.

Its a problem in translation and in different histories.

European nations were formed as ethnic enclaves. For them, ethnicity is nation. The “White” in this context means “one of us” in a way that does not translate well into an American worldview.

To an American, such ethnic nationalism is offensive. We, because of how we were formed as a nation and because of how we evolved since our founding, cannot tolerate such ethnic nationalism. It would tear us apart if we were to even entertain the idea of permitting it to go un-rebuked.

To a European, such “race” based nationalism is fundamental to their concept of what their nations are about.

Hero of the Day

Most-decorated Marine pilot dies at 89

CLACKAMAS (AP) — Retired Marine Corps Col. Kenneth L. Reusser, called the most decorated Marine aviator in history and was shot down in three wars, has died at age 89.

Reusser flew 253 combat missions in World War II, Korea and Vietnam and was shot down in all three, five times in all.

His 59 medals included two Navy Crosses, four Purple Hearts and two Legions of Merit.

Read the rest …

RIP.

re: #92 ShanghaiEd

I also found a reference that an acquaintance revealed publicly for the first time in 2004 that Kitty Genovese was a lesbian who shared an apartment with her girlfriend at the time of her murder. KG apparently worked full-time as manager of a bar.

Would her lesbianism have made her a pariah in 1960s NYC? To the extent that people wouldn’t have responded to her cries for help? I’m still searching for the drugs and prostitution angle, but nothing in her profile so far to suggest it.

Yes, that’s right. I found this NPR listing here:
[Link: www.npr.org…]

I know I read an article back at the time of the anniversary that mentioned her being gay, but I can’t remember where. It didn’t suggest that this would have made her a pariah in the neighbourhood though, because she was far from “out”. The suggestion was that it might have hindered the investigation though in some way.

Also, the neighbourhood itself, Kew Gardens, wasn’t a scary neighbourhood. It was a perfectly decent blue-collar/working class/lower middle neighbourhood.

re: #97 Fenway_Nation

Yea…….lord knows when I want even-handed and thought provoking insight, media matters id the first place I head.

That’s what passes for insightful and thoughtful commentary for those of the leftist persuasion. Hard to believe.

I’d often wondered what it would be like to grant the 0bama supporters their protection of him from criticism.

Just say, “Yep. 0bama can’t be criticized. No matter what he does, he’s always right, and you will probably be severely punished if you criticize him publicly in any way. True, most world leaders can be and are criticized, but you have to understand that 0bama can’t take criticism …”

…and just continue until they people saying 0bama can’t be criticized get the point.

re: #97 Fenway_Nation

Yea…….lord knows when I want even-handed and thought provoking insight, media matters id the first place I head.

Media matters and Think progress are a lot better than HuffPo.

Media Matters could be a very useful source for people here, as they always provide videos, transcripts, and links to the real sources, so you can fact check everything they’re saying.

You’d want to avoid their editorial or opinion columns, that’s all. Those are totally different.

re: #103 iceweasel

Does that mean they’re going to get White House press credentials like HuffPo?

re: #75 iceweasel

The plot thickens! It seems that the writers of the Watchmen series wrote the Genovese killing into the backstory of character Rorschach. The Genovese murder is what triggered his becoming a crime-fighter.

And Rorschach’s mother was…a prostitute, killed by her pimp. I can see the details getting confused by someone reading the fiction. But still no evidence, that I can find, that KG was anything but a law-abiding citizen.

re: #104 Iron Fist

Silly! That’s only for republican politicians, all of whom I’m sure have Argentine mistresses or solicit total strangers for sex in the men’s room…..

re: #98 Syrah

Couldn’t your argument apply equally as well to the BNP, or the VB, as it does to the DailyMail?

History Isn’t Racial

I don’t understand something. I’m supposed to be overjoyed because America has a (half) black President, and it’s a historic occasion. I’m supposed to water down my criticism of this new President because of the historic nature of the occasion. Presumably, to do otherwise is racist.
But I am convinced this President will take us down the wrong path. I am certain this his policies of over-the-top government spending, socialized medicine and pacifism towards the most dangerous enemies in human history will be destructive. These policies were not effective under his predecessor, so intensifying them clearly does not seem like a good idea.

Given my positions, wouldn’t it be racist NOT to oppose this new President? To support him, or to water down my criticism, because of his race would … well, it would be racism. Racism consists of elevating race to the top of an appraisal. If you give someone undeserved praise because of their race, you’re no less racist than if you give them undeserved condemnation.

I’m no racist. I couldn’t care less what the race of the President is. I only care what his ideas are—and whether or not he will seek to implement them. I sure hope this one doesn’t.

Hostility to Criticism

People who can’t be criticized—and who react with great hostility at any hint of criticism—are revealing something important about themselves.

They reveal that they don’t hold their convictions and viewpoints about various matters through carefully reasoned out, fact-based judgments. Instead, they form conclusions based on emotions. Naturally they feel threatened when one of these irrationally based conclusions is questioned by a thinking mind. In a sense, they expect you to respond to their emotions as they already do: By treating them as equivalent to truth.

re: #109 gmsc

Zimbabwe had a black president for the last 30 years….how’s that working out?

re: #110 gmsc

Nice. Succinct. Bullseye.

re: #108 freetoken

Couldn’t your argument apply equally as well to the BNP, or the VB, as it does to the DailyMail?

Explicitly so.

The race-based foundation of the European nations states is what make them so susceptible to the racialist arguments of the ethnic nationalist.

re: #61 pink freud

It does. IIRC, she was connected to the mob Genovese’s, was a prostitute and was involved in drugs. Add to that the SES factor and it’s no wonder people didn’t want to get involved. All in all, not a very good example to shore up a theory that has been taught for years in psych classes.

Pink, do you have a link about any of those? I can’t find anything. It’s good to see the record set straight, as there were apparently some exaggerations in the NY Times story. But it would be a shame if Kitty Genovese’s character got unfairly trashed in the process.

re: #105 Fenway_Nation

Does that mean they’re going to get White House press credentials like HuffPo?

I don’t see why MMA would, or why they would even apply for a pass. They don’t do reporting, they fact check the reporting of others (and btw, they drop the hammer on people like the NYT when they f-up too.)

BTW, the HuffPo coverage of Iran has been widely acknowledged to be the best being done—- by people on both the left and the right.

re: #110 gmsc

Hostility to Criticism

I suspect that’s why so many on the right loathe Media Matters.

re: #113 Syrah

So if we judge the BNP and VB as undesirable because of their ethno-nationalism, shall we not also judge the DailyMail likewise as undesirable?

How are we as Americans to look at the rest of the world?

Charles caught lots of grief for not cheering on Wilders’ … to me CJ was just consistently applying his American tradition of what constitutes liberty as understood in the US…

Is it wrong to judge others by our standards?

re: #102 gmsc

I’d often wondered what it would be like to grant the 0bama supporters their protection of him from criticism.

Just say, “Yep. 0bama can’t be criticized. No matter what he does, he’s always right, and you will probably be severely punished if you criticize him publicly in any way. True, most world leaders can be and are criticized, but you have to understand that 0bama can’t take criticism …”

…and just continue until they people saying 0bama can’t be criticized get the point.

People who don’t want to criticise Obama for anything are just as dangerous and wrong as those who didn’t want to criticise Bush for anything.

Personality cults have no place in a democracy.

109 & 110….

Fucking awesome.

Let’s see:

1- Cap & Trade is going to cripple the economy because

A) It was hastily written and approved with an artificial sense of urgency by politicians more interested in collecting money

B) It aims to artificially cut us off from domestically available energy sources and replace them with less effective and quasi-experimental means of generating energy

C) Those crazy right-wingers

2- Card Check is a bad idea because

A) It eliminates the private ballot in union elections, leaving members open to threats and intimidation if they don’t vote ‘properly’

B) This will also damage the economy by driving up the cost of goods and services to accomodate everyone having union wages

C) Those crazy right-wingers.

3- Afghanistan (the ‘good’ war) has become less tenable thn Iraq because

A) An emboldened and reconstituted Taliban is counterattacking
and harrassing the supply lines of Coalition forces

B) Aside from the United Kingdom and Canada, the other NATO nations don’t seem to be offering more than a token presence in the reigon.

C) Those Crazy right-wingers.

Also would’ve accepted ‘Ron Paul’….

re: #121 Fenway_Nation

Who is arguing that “those crazy rightwingers” are responsible for any of that? Nobody here, that I can see.

(But i’d like to write in “Ron Paul!” just for the hell of it. )

re: #116 iceweasel

BTW, the HuffPo coverage of Iran has been widely acknowledged to be the best being done—- by people on both the left and the right.

HuffPo had White House press credentials since 0’s first press conference…..so did Ed Shultz.

re: #115 ShanghaiEd

No, sorry.

re: #123 Fenway_Nation

HuffPo had White House press credentials since 0’s first press conference…..so did Ed Shultz.

Ah ok— i thought you were referring to the flap over Nico Pitney of the HuffPo getting to ask a question.

I don’t personally have any use for the HuffPo, until this recent Iran coverage. But it’s worth nothing that they’re a major online source of news and that even members of the GOP have chosen to post there to get their news out. It’s not so odd that they have WH press credentials.

Like it or not, they’re a big part of the New Media.

re: #118 freetoken

So if we judge the BNP and VB as undesirable because of their ethno-nationalism, shall we not also judge the DailyMail likewise as undesirable?

How are we as Americans to look at the rest of the world?

Charles caught lots of grief for not cheering on Wilders’ … to me CJ was just consistently applying his American tradition of what constitutes liberty as understood in the US…

Is it wrong to judge others by our standards?

The Daily Mail is a newspaper, not a party. If it becomes a defacto party organ of the BNP, it would deserve our contempt and disdain.

We Americans should look at the rest of the world as Americans looking at the rest of the world. We are very different from much of it, but we cannot wholly disconnect our selves from any of it. We are stuck on this lovely little blue ball with all of those nuts, we will have to make the best of it.

Charles caution with regards to Wilders was wise. Wilders is a product of his nation, its history and his view of how the world works. We can hope for a European Politician to finally arise with sensibilities that we can identify with, but it would be foolish of us to rush to embrace any of them without some caution.

And lastly, it is always right to judge others by our standards. It is the measure that we have at our disposal. It would be silly of us to use someone else’s measure. (Kind of like drinking from the far side of the cup, both impossible and messy to try.)

re: #125 iceweasel

I remember it well because

-It was carried live on the Lars Larson show, with Larson pointing out some of those in attendence

-The HuffPo ‘reporter’ had a hard-on for Leahy’s ‘Truth comisson’ and bringing up Bush Admin. officials up on criminal charges

-I had a job when this took place.

re: #126 Syrah

The Daily Mail is a newspaper, not a party. If it becomes a defacto party organ of the BNP, it would deserve our contempt and disdain.

“…the Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country;”

re: #64 pink freud

Her post (just to make sure I didn’t mis-relay):

OMG my hubby just came back from the grocery store. Some crazy guy was harassing a couple in their seventies so hubby placed himself between the couple and this creep. Turns out the couple had been talking between themselves about how much groceries are up and how it was going to get worse under Obama. OMG it really got ugly. The dude was screaming that it was all Bush’s fault, Obama was our savior and all whites were going to go to hell. My hubby is a big dude but he’s got balance problems and also in a neck brace after spinal surgery. The creep tried to knock my hubby down with his grocery cart. It took security forever to come over there & they really didn’t do anything. The manager said security was there for their employees & not to get involved with customers. WTF?

If the creep pushed the husband - at all - he can be charged with assault and battery in every jurisdiction I’m aware of. I would file charges and see if a police investigation turns anything up, from security tapes or from the store’s employees recognizing a regular customer.

For what it’s worth, a halfway decent lawyer could make a case against the store for failing to keep it’s customers from obvious, preventable harm if security was aware of the situation and failed to respond, not even notifying local police. The store probably has deep pockets, and would offer a settlement just to avoid a lawsuit it would almost certainly lose.

I’ve long since given up on simply rolling over when shit like this happens, and prefer to press forward with all my legal rights. The instant the creep started yelling at me or otherwise threatening me, I would have told him to knock it off or he would be going to jail - and I would have backed that threat up with action, as outlined above.

re: #128 gmsc

“…the Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country;”

[Video]

I briefly thought of linking to that.

English papers are much more overtly political than American papers. (American papers just deny their partisanship.) I could not recall the Daily Mail’s specific party bias. I doubt if it is BNP, but with the way things are going and are bound to go in the UK, I would not be too terribly surprised if it started to lean in that direction.

Are the figures in this Heritage Foundation article correct?

re: #127 Fenway_Nation

I remember it well because

-It was carried live on the Lars Larson show, with Larson pointing out some of those in attendence

-The HuffPo ‘reporter’ had a hard-on for Leahy’s ‘Truth comisson’ and bringing up Bush Admin. officials up on criminal charges

-I had a job when this took place.

?
I was talking about the Nico Pitney question this week. Is that the same thing?

(Like I said, I’m not invested in defending HuffPo, believe me. To me it’s meet the new boss, same as the old boss— that is, I consider them no better than the old MSM.)

(with the sole exception of their Iran coverage of late.)

I can honestly say I’ve learned something from the first six months of the 0bama Administration.

The smug, overreaching left in power is much more dangerous to America’s long-term viability than the angry, reactionary right that’s out of power.

Goodnight, everyone. Eyes won’t stay open to wait for fruitcup.

Warm greetings to littleoldlady; you are in my thoughts.

re: #132 iceweasel

No…this was back in January or Febuary. I’m not sure if the reporter who was cheerleading for Leahy’s ‘Truth comission’ was Nico Pintey or not, but the HuffPo reporter sounded like he wouldn’t be satisfied until everyone in the Bush Admin. was dangling from piano wire…..

re: #130 Syrah

I briefly thought of linking to that.

English papers are much more overtly political than American papers. (American papers just deny their partisanship.) I could not recall the Daily Mail’s specific party bias. I doubt if it is BNP, but with the way things are going and are bound to go in the UK, I would not be too terribly surprised if it started to lean in that direction.

It’s not BNP and I really can’t see the Mail ever explictly going for the BNP unless someone in the BNP buys it and guts it. The Mail is conservative with a small c.
I can imagine some people who vote BNP might buy it for the anti-immigration slant— but that’s sort of like a paedophile looking at pictures in a children’s clothing catalogue to get his fix.

re: #134 pink freud

G’nite pink!

re: #135 Fenway_Nation

No…this was back in January or Febuary. I’m not sure if the reporter who was cheerleading for Leahy’s ‘Truth comission’ was Nico Pintey or not, but the HuffPo reporter sounded like he wouldn’t be satisfied until everyone in the Bush Admin. was dangling from piano wire…..

Oh, ok. Yeah, those are the sort of people who are part of the reason I don’t read the HuffPo. :)

re: #134 pink freud

Goodnight, everyone. Eyes won’t stay open to wait for fruitcup.

Warm greetings to littleoldlady; you are in my thoughts.

G’Nite, pink.

Sleep well.

Good night, Pink!

re: #136 iceweasel

It’s not BNP and I really can’t see the Mail ever explictly going for the BNP unless someone in the BNP buys it and guts it. The Mail is conservative with a small c.
I can imagine some people who vote BNP might buy it for the anti-immigration slant— but that’s sort of like a paedophile looking at pictures in a children’s clothing catalogue to get his fix.

That was my impression. Conservative with a small c seems to match what I recall.

I expect racial tensions to rise in Europe over the next twenty years. It has me a bit worried. The BNP and VB are I think early signs of what is to come. (I would very much like to be wrong about this.)

One of my friends commented on the Heritage link a few posts up that I posted on FB…

“it’s dangerous when 85% of the credits that were SUPPOSED to be auctioned were given away. this bill was not strong ENOUGH.”

I don’t even know what that’s supposed to mean….not the cap/trade expert.

re: #131 TheMatrix31

Are the figures in this Heritage Foundation article correct?

Matrix, I’m no cap and trade expert (fenway can tell us all a lot about the harm its doing to the transportation industries).

I do know that the estimates of the impact vary widely. The figures the Heritage Foundation (which is a conservative think tank, not a nonpartisan one) are disputed at least in part by the EPA, which says:

[t]he cap & trade policy has a relatively modest impact on U.S. consumers assuming the bulk of revenues from the program are returned to household[s],” and it estimates the average cost per household to be between $98 and $140 per year.

[Link: www.epa.gov…]

But the heritage foundation is talking about costs in 2032, and I don’t know about that. (I also don’t know if the epa study is looking that far ahead)

re: #136 iceweasel

but that’s sort of like a paedophile looking at pictures in a children’s clothing catalogue to get his fix.

What the fuck? Can we get through one fucking thread without talking about Micheal Jackson?

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Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ———————————->
Help yourselves!

re: #145 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ———————————->
Help yourselves!

Good morning! Yummy - Thank you!

When talking to my mom today, I mentioned LGF and she said, “Oh, be sure to say hello to fruitcup for me!”

Because I think she meant to say “littleoldlady”, I’m saying hello from my mom.

Just in case she actually meant what she said, I’ll say hello to my fruitcup, too.
;)

re: #141 Syrah

That was my impression. Conservative with a small c seems to match what I recall.

I expect racial tensions to rise in Europe over the next twenty years. It has me a bit worried. The BNP and VB are I think early signs of what is to come. (I would very much like to be wrong about this.)

Agree with you on all counts, including the hope that we’re wrong.
A friend of mine was assaulted in London not long after 7/7 and told to “go home’. Never mind that he’s born in Devon, went to Oxford, and is C of E— and is half Anglo.

E-mails indicate EPA suppressed report skeptical of global warming

Excerpt:

The Environmental Protection Agency may have suppressed an internal report that was skeptical of claims about global warming, including whether carbon dioxide must be strictly regulated by the federal government, according to a series of newly disclosed e-mail messages.

Less than two weeks before the agency formally submitted its pro-regulation recommendation to the White House, an EPA center director quashed a 98-page report that warned against making hasty “decisions based on a scientific hypothesis that does not appear to explain most of the available data.”

The EPA official, Al McGartland, said in an e-mail message (PDF) to a staff researcher on March 17: “The administrator and the administration has decided to move forward…and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision.”

gmsc! :-)

ROTFL! Give my thanks to mom! I needed that laugh…

re: #144 Fenway_Nation

What the fuck? Can we get through one fucking thread without talking about Micheal Jackson?

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Haha— ok, you got me. I can’t stop talking about MJ!

re: #145 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ———————————->
Help yourselves!

Thanks, LoL…

re: #143 iceweasel

[Link: www.epa.gov…]

But the heritage foundation is talking about costs in 2032, and I don’t know about that. (I also don’t know if the epa study is looking that far ahead)

Hmm…interesting

re: #145 littleoldlady

Hi littleoldlady. I’ll say hello to the fruitcup too, because gmsc’s story was too cute for words…

re: #148 gmsc

FACTS?! We dunn need no steenkin’ FACTS!

re: #147 iceweasel

Your friend might be more “at home” here than there.

Matrix! :-)

My daughter is sitting next to me writing a paper for Anthropology. She’d log on and say “hi” but she forgets her password.

/yup! she’s MY kid, alright! ;-)

iceweasel! :-)

re: #149 littleoldlady

gmsc! :-)

ROTFL! Give my thanks to mom! I needed that laugh…

You got it!

re: #148 gmsc

Because the report was of very low quality and depended up poor (and highly biases) sources. It was rightfully dismissed.

re: #154 Syrah

Your friend might be more “at home” here than there.

He lived in the US for a while and loved it. Partly because while we have racism in some places in the US, it is vastly different than the kind in the UK.

He was in NYC for 9/11, come to think of it, and no-one in NYC assaulted him or even thought of him as anything but “English.”

re: #150 iceweasel

The new Thrilla in Manila.

re: #155 littleoldlady

Matrix! :-)

My daughter is sitting next to me writing a paper for Anthropology. She’d log on and say “hi” but she forgets her password.

/yup! she’s MY kid, alright! ;-)

iceweasel! :-)

Woohoo! Use the “Forgot Password?” ;)

re: #158 iceweasel

Ironic is it not that the only place that he can really be “English” is in America?

Of course he could just as easily be an American here as well.

re: #160 TheMatrix31

Woohoo! Use the “Forgot Password?” ;)

WOW! You’re a genius! :-)

hello world.
:)
is anybody as upset about billy mays passing as i am?

re: #163 jewpublican

hello world.
:)
is anybody as upset about billy mays passing as i am?

I think I’m the only other one on here who has even mentioned it. (See #81.)

re: #161 Syrah

It was completely ironic. He’d always felt somewhat like an outsider in the UK, despite being born there, because of the UK’s attitudes about race and nationalism.

He loved NYC and SF, because of the diversity— and in the US he’s primarily thought of as “English”, no matter what.

For the hard to awaken lizard

Most Effective Alarm Clock In The World

wear helmet.

With that, off to work early to get some reports printed out.
/the earlier the quieter.

I bid you all a good day.

re: #157 freetoken

Because the report was of very low quality and depended up poor (and highly biases) sources. It was rightfully dismissed.

Actually, you are full of shit on that.

I think your avatar is constricting blood flow to your brain.

re: #164 gmsc

It was in the spinoff links a couple of times.

Oh… thanks a lot gmsc! Now she’s crying.

_{^{We’re sitting shiva here.}}

re: #164 gmsc

i tried listening to the mighty puty commercial and i got upset.
WHAT’S WRONG WITH ME?!

Goodnight Lizards,

It is way past bedtime.

See y’all way past bedtime tomorrow.

re: #109 gmsc

History Isn’t Racial

Why is this guy still harping about this? Unless he has found some nest of idiocy still calling him racist for on-the-level criticism of the President, it sounds like he’s knocking down straw men. He sets them up with “I’m supposed to…” twice. By whom is he supposed to think these thoughts?
It sounds like victim posing. Worse, it sounds like making an issue where there isn’t one.

CAVEAT: if he has relayed specifics, then his criticism is certainly valid. I can’t follow the link from where I am.

Morning Lizards.

‘Night, Syrah! :-)

rightside! :-)

re: #170 Syrah

Goodnight Lizards,

It is way past bedtime.

See y’all way past bedtime tomorrow.

G’Nite, Syrah.

re: #168 littleoldlady

It was in the spinoff links a couple of times.

Oh… thanks a lot gmsc! Now she’s crying.

_{^{We’re sitting shiva here.}}

Sorry, shiva!

re: #142 TheMatrix31

Well….like some have said; I’m looking at this from the point of view of transportation companies (particularly railways) that have coal or oil as their primary traffic base as well as those that have found new revenue hauling petrolium and natural gas exploration equipment.

Make no mistake, the ‘Big 6’ railways- Burlington Northern Santa Fe, Union Pacific, CSX, Canadian Pacific, Canadian National, Norfolk Southern- will survive this, but there are scores of smaller short-haul and reigonal railways already hurting from the credit crisis that will be reeling or cut to ribbons from this.

Every time I think some railway might dodge the bullet, I’m suddenly reminded of other provisions in the cap & trade legislation that would put them back at square one.

For example- I’d think Soandso and Atlantic railway might make it out of this okay, because most of their traffic comes from a paper mill. But cap and trade will likely dictate what that mill can use for energy and it’s carbon output for a year. The mill’s owner might decide it’s more cost effective to simply shut down or move elsewhere…..

Or Whatchamacallit and Western primarily hauls anthricite coal. Even though 0 made no secret he’d like to put the coal industry out of business, in this case the coal’s final destination is actually a steel mill in Canada- so it looks like the W&W RR avoided the guillotine. But not so fast! There’s provisions on there that also include foreign trade….I think we’re supposed to start dictating how much carbon output there is from other countries as well as our own….

Not to mention the whole proposed carbon offset credit market would be even less regulated than the sub-prime lending markets (and we all know how that turned out).

re: #169 jewpublican

i tried listening to the mighty puty commercial and i got upset.
WHAT’S WRONG WITH ME?!

Who says anything is wrong with you? It may just be a reaction.

re: #178 gmsc

Who says anything is wrong with you? It may just be a your reaction to his passing.

PIMF

re: #163 jewpublican

hello world.
:)
is anybody as upset about billy mays passing as i am?

Hellooooo littlelittleoldlady :)

I was just surprised when I heard. I usually turned it off when his infomercials came on because I’m a fatty and I don’t recall any of the products he promoted being food-oriented.

Now…if Ron Popeil died….then I’d be sad.

/set it and forget it!

re: #163 jewpublican

Sort of….

re: #167 Alberta Oil Peon

Hey there AOP! Are the Canadians as eager to cripple their own energy industry as we are here?

re: #177 Fenway_Nation

Well….like some have said; I’m looking at this from the point of view of transportation companies (particularly railways) that have coal or oil as their primary traffic base as well as those that have found new revenue hauling petrolium and natural gas exploration equipment.

Make no mistake, the ‘Big 6’ railways- Burlington Northern Santa Fe, Union Pacific, CSX, Canadian Pacific, Canadian National, Norfolk Southern- will survive this, but there are scores of smaller short-haul and reigonal railways already hurting from the credit crisis that will be reeling or cut to ribbons from this.

Every time I think some railway might dodge the bullet, I’m suddenly reminded of other provisions in the cap & trade legislation that would put them back at square one.

For example- I’d think Soandso and Atlantic railway might make it out of this okay, because most of their traffic comes from a paper mill. But cap and trade will likely dictate what that mill can use for energy and it’s carbon output for a year. The mill’s owner might decide it’s more cost effective to simply shut down or move elsewhere…..

Or Whatchamacallit and Western primarily hauls anthricite coal. Even though 0 made no secret he’d like to put the coal industry out of business, in this case the coal’s final destination is actually a steel mill in Canada- so it looks like the W&W RR avoided the guillotine. But not so fast! There’s provisions on there that also include foreign trade….I think we’re supposed to start dictating how much carbon output there is from other countries as well as our own….

Not to mention the whole proposed carbon offset credit market would be even less regulated than the sub-prime lending markets (and we all know how that turned out).

Interesting post. This stuff confuses the heck out of me. What do you make of the comment my buddy made?

it’s dangerous when 85% of the credits that were SUPPOSED to be auctioned were given away. this bill was not strong ENOUGH.

re: #178 gmsc

That’s what happens when you’re a Marketing major. Billy Mays becomes a hero. ;-)

re: #180 TheMatrix31

hi matrix ;)

re: #185 jewpublican

hi matrix ;)

You only have 18 comments!

re: #171 haakondahl

Why is this guy still harping about this? Unless he has found some nest of idiocy still calling him racist for on-the-level criticism of the President, it sounds like he’s knocking down straw men. He sets them up with “I’m supposed to…” twice. By whom is he supposed to think these thoughts?
It sounds like victim posing. Worse, it sounds like making an issue where there isn’t one.

CAVEAT: if he has relayed specifics, then his criticism is certainly valid. I can’t follow the link from where I am.

No, you’re spot-on.
He relayed no specifics. gmsc quoted that guy’s post in full. It included no links either to people telling him what to do or claiming that he’s supposed to support Obama no matter what or he’s ‘racist’.

Frankly, I call bullshit on this. Criticism of Obama is alive and well on the left — I don’t know of a single reputable source that has seriously suggested that he shouldn’t be criticised, still less that it’s racist to criticise him.
(He has cultists, for sure— but they’re not arguing that he shouldn’t be criticised because he’s black, but because he’s Obama!)

I do see a lot of people on the fringe right claiming that “we can’t criticise Obama or we’re called racists” — but as far as I see, the only criticisms of Obama that get called racist are the racist criticisms.

re: #183 TheMatrix31

Isn’t the worst part of this legislation (I mean, aside from the hugeness and taxness of it) is that it will NOT reduce carbon emissions by any measurable amount?

re: #174 littleoldlady

lol!

re: #186 TheMatrix31

i’m in college and i have a stressful job … i know that’s a bad excuse. from what i hear you’re in college too!

I’m drifting off, so now it’s time to day goodbye …

Good night, all!

re: #183 TheMatrix31

it’s dangerous when 85% of the credits that were SUPPOSED to be auctioned were given away.

I’m not so familiar with this part…but I think he’s referring to the carbon offset market, which is basically a tax for any company that exceeds some emissions quota. I think companies are supposed to be able to trade credits if one is over and one is under…

this bill was not strong ENOUGH.

Sounds a little like he thinks the United States should give up fossil fuels cold turkey (even though we have significant natural gas reserves).

Also worth noting that there are some railways in the Midwest who might actually benefit from this, since they’ve seen a significant spike in ethanol production. I’m not sure where exactly cap and trade comes down vis a vis ethanol, but if there are provisions in favor of increased ethanol production, than that should be proof to even the most dense 0bama cheerleader that this is about squeezing more money form the taxpayers and businesses, since burning ethanol produces carbon just like gasoline diesel or jet fuel……

re: #188 littleoldlady

Isn’t the worst part of this legislation (I mean, aside from the hugeness and taxness of it) is that it will NOT reduce carbon emissions by any measurable amount?

Noooo idea.

re: #190 jewpublican

i’m in college and i have a stressful job … i know that’s a bad excuse. from what i hear you’re in college too!

Yep, I’m in college. Physically, not mentally ;)

re: #191 gmsc

G’nite gmsc!

‘Night, gmsc! :-)

/great find!
//you’re too young to remember that! ;-)

this was my mickey mouse club :)

re: #192 Fenway_Nation

Sounds a little like he thinks the United States should give up fossil fuels cold turkey (even though we have significant natural gas reserves).

It’s interesting, because the guy has been staunchly anti-spendulous and all that. I wonder why he thinks this bill doesn’t do enough.

GN, GM!

re: #197 TheMatrix31

Hmm……

Maybe he thinks the proposed ‘credits’ are being given out as political favors and that if the purpose of all this legislation would be for the environment’s benefit (instead of career pols handing out kickbacks) then it wouldn’t do enough.

/I know….completely beyond the pale with a bunch of Chicago pols running the show

re: #199 Fenway_Nation

I think that’s a given.

/but who knows for sure since nobody has read the damn thing?!

re: #199 Fenway_Nation

Hmm……

Maybe he thinks the proposed ‘credits’ are being given out as political favors and that if the purpose of all this legislation would be for the environment’s benefit (instead of career pols handing out kickbacks) then it wouldn’t do enough.

/I know….completely beyond the pale with a bunch of Chicago pols running the show

Could be, who knows. I don’t know a damn thing about it and I can tell that it’s to stiff people and businesses.

re: #200 littleoldlady

Well…to be fair, they keep tacking on another 300+ pages every time it goes up for a vote

re: #200 littleoldlady

I’d propose a law by which no one could vote on a bill, unless you have the entire bill read to you in the chamber. Miss some, and reschedule. Every member.

re: #203 rightside

Works for me!

re: #203 rightside

I’d propose a law by which no one could vote on a bill, unless you have the entire bill read to you in the chamber. Miss some, and reschedule. Every member.

What if no one read that bill?

:-/

re: #205 TheMatrix31

Then it doesn’t get voted on. Good things happen when congress does nothing. Less intrusion into our lives.

re: #183 TheMatrix31

it’s dangerous when 85% of the credits that were SUPPOSED to be auctioned were given away. this bill was not strong ENOUGH

I don’t know at all what your buddy is talking about here, because as far as I know (which isn’t much), the credits are still being auctioned off— not given away.

The 2010 United States federal budget proposes to support clean energy development with a 10-year investment of US $15 billion per year, generated from the sale of greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions credits. Under the proposed cap-and-trade program, all GHG emissions credits would be auctioned off, generating an estimated $78.7 billion in additional revenue in FY 2012, steadily increasing to $83 billion by FY 2019

President’s Budget Draws Clean Energy Funds From Climate Measure

Maybe your friend thinks, as Fenway suggested he might, that more needs to be done to tax carbon and fossil fuel emissions?

Sounds to me like your friend is probably very pro-environment and doesn’t believe that the measures being put in place will do enough to help the environment, rather than politicians.

Good Morning from Philly. This is my weekend - don’t want to rub it in (0605 hrs). Got my DD med. coffee, the garden looks good (tomatoes, zucchini, cucumbers - all doing well) all is well with the world.

If we knew what we were doing … we wouldn’t have defaulted on our student loans and had our wages attached

re: #208 spinmore

Howdy Neighbor! :-)

/from Delaware County

re: #209 littleoldlady

Good Morning … looks like it’s gonna be a beautiful day (we need it). Forgot the sky was blue.

re: #210 spinmore

No…rain…?

/confused

alright, it’s been swell but i think it’s time i work on my homework.

have a good day everybody! :)

re: #207 iceweasel

President’s Budget Draws Clean Energy Funds From Climate Measure

Maybe your friend thinks, as Fenway suggested he might, that more needs to be done to tax carbon and fossil fuel emissions?

Sounds to me like your friend is probably very pro-environment and doesn’t believe that the measures being put in place will do enough to help the environment, rather than politicians.

Awesome…thanks for that link!

re: #212 jewpublican

alright, it’s been swell but i think it’s time i work on my homework.

have a good day everybody! :)

Good night JP :) Good luck on your paper

re: #212 jewpublican

Bye MNTS Jewpublican!

THE DEATH OF BILLY MAYS IS CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS NO GOD.

/and how are you this evening? :c

re: #215 Fenway_Nation

I just got beat for that.

/MNTS
//the perils of sitting next to her while on LGF… ;-)

Oh….as for the damages done to the transportation sector by cap & trade, I was simply thinking in terms of commodities hauled and how this would affect various shippers….

Imagine if there were some far-reaching provisions where the government dictated what type of trucks, locomotives, barges or aircraft a shipper should use.

re: #216 laZardo

Why couldn’t it have been the Sham-Wow guy?

/Famous last words- “you gettin’ this, camera guy?”

re: #213 TheMatrix31

Awesome…thanks for that link!

No problem, I hope it helps!

I just found this which looks good. Looks like it does a really good job of explaining what the basics are, for people like me who don’t know anything about it:

What Cap and Trade Programs Are About

It just explains the basics of what a cap is, what the ‘trade’ is. It doesn’t get into whether it’s a good thing or a bad thing (although it’s obvious the author does think it’s a good thing). Anyway it helped me get an idea of what the terms mean and what the system is supposed to be in general.

I have to get moving, too. :-(

Good day, ALL!™

re: #220 iceweasel

You probably weren’t around when I first posted this, but I saw this anime recently that revolves around a cliche-cute teenage chick and her transgendered friend leading a post-apocalyptic resistance against a tyranny running on…carbon credits.

I’m really not making this up!

Good Morning LGF.
BUT WAIT!

re: #223 Spare O’Lake

POST NOW AND I’LL DOUBLE THE OFFER!

/whatever offer that was, i forgot in my sorrow ;_;

re: #172 rightside

Good morning Lizards.

re: #225 mamacares

Morning (young lizard offers up dead cricket)

re: #225 mamacares

morning mamacares.

re: #224 laZardo

Wait! There’s More!

re: #222 laZardo

You probably weren’t around when I first posted this, but I saw this anime recently that revolves around a cliche-cute teenage chick and her transgendered friend leading a post-apocalyptic resistance against a tyranny running on…carbon credits.

I’m really not making this up!

I. LOVE. IT. LOVE!
!
I have to watch all of it now. Wheee!

/so long as it’s not hentai or lolicon it’s all good as far as I’m concerned—

Well….slumber beckons-

G’nite/morning, lizards!

re: #229 iceweasel

/so long as it’s not hentai or lolicon it’s all good as far as I’m concerned—

Nothing says loving like tentacle lovin!

/sarc

Wow.

Who would have thought that a comment about tentacle loving would have killed an open thread :P

re: #228 Spare O’Lake

I’ll see him again when I get to the bottom of the slide called life.

re: #232 Mithrax

Wow.

Who would have thought that a comment about tentacle loving would have killed an open thread :P

Ha!

Yes, i didn’t mention tentacles for exactly that reason….

This onion story always makes me laugh

Japan Pledges To Halt Production Of Weirdo Porn That Makes People Puke

Good morning.

Look for the market to open on the upside as the market bounces back from some losses last week. Never the less, the unemployment numbers to be released later this week are probably going to show that unemployment is still growing. It will be interesting to hear how the blind Obama worshipers deal with that, probably will just ignore it or accuse those who mention it as slurring the President.

Two words on the economic impact of Cap and Trade — train wreck.

re: #234 iceweasel

Ha!

Yes, i didn’t mention tentacles for exactly that reason….

This onion story always makes me laugh

Japan Pledges To Halt Production Of Weirdo Porn That Makes People Puke

Yeah yeah, mention tentacles and everyone gets a little panicky

re: #234 iceweasel

Woops— WARNING to all: it’s The Onion and SFW, but you probably don’t want to read that if you’re eating breakfast.

re: #236 Mithrax

Yeah yeah, mention tentacles and everyone gets a little panicky

Culture minister Nakai told members of the press Wednesday that his office would continue working to understand what other nations find objectionable about his country’s pornography.

“So just to be clear: even the cartoon tentacle-rape stuff?” Nakai asked. “Even though it’s only animated and the probing tentacles are clearly not real?”

heh.

re: #220 iceweasel

No problem, I hope it helps!

I just found this which looks good. Looks like it does a really good job of explaining what the basics are, for people like me who don’t know anything about it:

What Cap and Trade Programs Are About

It just explains the basics of what a cap is, what the ‘trade’ is. It doesn’t get into whether it’s a good thing or a bad thing (although it’s obvious the author does think it’s a good thing). Anyway it helped me get an idea of what the terms mean and what the system is supposed to be in general.

Wow, reallly good link!

Here’s an amazing article, the NYT is decrying the compromise of journalism in covering news from Iran:

Journalism Rules Are Bent in News Coverage From Iran

“Check the source” may be the first rule of journalism. But in the coverage of the protests in Iran this month, some news organizations have adopted a different stance: publish first, ask questions later. If you still don’t know the answer, ask your readers.

Iran? Iran! Iran!?

How about first trying to develop some journalistic integrity on reporting news from Washington?

All you people do is put in a cheerleaders outfit and shake pom-pons for the Messiah. Try looking in the mirror first.

re: #236 Mithrax

Yeah yeah, mention tentacles and everyone gets a little panicky

Almost everyone. :3

/us hormonal 21-year-old nerds need something to keep us awake. q:

re: #238 iceweasel

You know, the fact that I laughed at that article, and knew what the hell it meant makes me think I need help.

nah.

[Link: drybonesblog.blogspot.com…]

New taxes are on the table:

Taxing Employee Benefits to Pay for Obama Health Care Plan Still an Option

The White House left open the possibility Sunday that President Obama could tax employer-provided health insurance to pay for his $1 trillion universal health care plan, a violation of the president’s campaign pledge to not raise taxes on middle-class families.

White House adviser David Axelrod said the administration wouldn’t rule out taxing some employees’ benefits to fund a health care agenda that has yet to take final form. The move would be a compromise with fellow Democrats, who are pushing the proposal as a way to pay for the massive undertaking without ballooning the federal deficit.

“There are a number of formulations and we’ll wait and see. The important thing at this point is to keep the process moving, to keep people at the table, to the keep the discussions going,” Axelrod said. “We’ve gotten a long way down the road and we want to finish that journey.”

Taxing employer provided benefits will effectively terminate them. Also, as the cost of employing people is increased due to these payroll taxes, there will be a growing move toward contracting people out an exporting jobs overseas.

Also an option is to have employers who don’t provide coverage to pay an 8 percent payroll tax. Health and Human Service Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said she believes the economy won’t be affected negatively by that cost.

re: #240 3 wood

Troubled (NY)Times

lso an option is to have employers who don’t provide coverage to pay an 8 percent payroll tax. Health and Human Service Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said she believes the economy won’t be affected negatively by that cost. YEAH RIGHT

re: #241 laZardo

Almost everyone. :3

/us hormonal 21-year-old nerds need something to keep us awake. q:

I laughed too, and knew what it meant. Mostly. Uh-oh….

re: #240 3 wood

All you people do is put in a cheerleaders outfit and shake pom-pons

Wait, what?

Sorry, thought we were talking about anime again. My bad.

re: #247 iceweasel

I laughed too, and knew what it meant. Mostly. Uh-oh….

it’s ok, your secret is safe with us!

Obama’s plans to save housing are not working out as advertised:

Housing in Peril as Obama Fails to Get Financing Breakthrough

June 29 (Bloomberg) — Driving through Riverside, California, Bruce Norris pointed to a half-dozen empty houses with “For Sale” signs stuck in untended lawns that he said investors might buy if banks would just extend some credit.

“People today look at us as the enemy,” said Norris, 57, head of Riverside-based Norris Group, which purchases and renovates homes to rent or sell. “That’s a big problem for housing because if we can’t get the financing we need, a lot of these properties are going to sit vacant.”

Four months after President Barack Obama pledged $275 billion to shore up home sales, the engine that powered every U.S. recovery since 1960 is stalled. Bankers’ reluctance to finance buyers who won’t live in properties is one barrier to a turnaround. Stricter qualifying rules and a rise in the cost of residential loans to 5.42 percent have impeded new mortgage lending, which is at a 13-year low. An inventory of 2.1 million unoccupied houses on the market, created

by the fastest foreclosure pace in history, may be a drag on a revival.

The $8,000 first-time homebuyer tax credit in the U.S. economic stimulus package and a government program to subsidize some mortgage payments have had little effect, according to Eric Belsky, executive director of Harvard University’s Joint Center for Housing Studies in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

“It hasn’t been much more than a see-sawing of data,” Belsky said in an interview. “Housing has led the U.S. economy out of every recession for at least 50 years, and for that to happen again more stimulus is going to be needed.”

The key is employment, or the lack thereof. You have to have a long term confidence of employment before people will undertake that long term liability.

And just about everything Obama has done has hurt the prosepects for long term employment, not helped it.

It will be interesting to hear how he and his worshippers blame this on Bush.

re: #248 iceweasel

I think he means that when LGF catches the major news media in a bad moment, it’s like one of those sudden panty/underwear flashes?

The WLS radio news just said that Michael Jackson was down to 112 pounds, completely emaciated, no hair, and only pills in his digestive system at the time of death. Apparently he could no longer sing as was preparing to lip-synch all the way through his upcoming concert tour.