Supreme Court Rules Against Sotomayor, For Saudi Arabia

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The Supreme Court has overturned an appeals court decision made by Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor, ruling that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn. were unfairly denied promotions due to their race: Ricci Decision Provides Rallying Point for Opposition.

Conservatives are jumping all over today’s Supreme Court decision that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions because of their race, using it to attack high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor’s earlier ruling against them.

But White House officials are fighting back, and they spent the morning reaching out to Senate Judiciary Committee members to make their case that the ruling should have little bearing on Sotomayor’s nomination.

“The issue from the Sotomayor perspective is, does this call into question anything about her judgement? And it doesn’t,” said one senior White House official. “The majority made it clear they are making a new rule. No one has really questioned that she did what she was supposed to do.’’

The real outrage, however, is in the other decision made by the Supreme Court today: Supreme Court Rules 9/11 Families Cannot Sue Saudi Royals.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that families of September 11th victims cannot file a lawsuit against the Saudi royal family.

The high court upheld an appeals court decision that victim’s families cannot pursue lawsuits since the Saudis are protected by sovereign immunity, which prevents foreign countries from being sued in U.S. courts.

Nearly 6,000 plaintiffs had planned to sue, claiming money from Saudi Arabia and four of its princes ended up in the hands of Al Qaida members.

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1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:01:36am

!. Wahoo.

2. Bummer.

2 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:02:46am

Part 1: Good job

Part 2: WTF

3 jones  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:03:04am

Will someone please give me an honest reason why race based affirmative action should remain legal.

4 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:03:28am
5 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:03:41am

I don't like the Saudi ruling, either, but if it follows the constitution, I'll respect it.

6 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:04:02am

Great news for the New Haven firefighters. The promotional denials were chock full of racism. Maybe now, hard work can count for something.

7 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:05:09am

re: #3 jones

Will someone please give me an honest reason why race based affirmative action should remain legal.

It's the only way the media-industrial complex can keep its candidates in office and shift wealth to a more gullible audience. That may be a depraved reason, but it is honest.

8 jorline  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:05:13am

The first SC decision was good and the second bad. Will the third ruling today be ugly?

9 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:05:38am

re: #8 jorline

The first SC decision was good and the second bad. Will the third ruling today be ugly?

What's on the docket?

10 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:05:48am

re: #8 jorline

The first SC decision was good and the second bad. Will the third ruling today be ugly?

Trying...to...resisit...Helen...Thomas...wisecrack...

11 laZardo  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:06:10am

re: #8 jorline

Probably not, seeing as how we no longer have a gun-slingin' cowboy in the Oval Office.

/

12 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:06:18am

re: #10 EmmmieG

Trying...to...resisit...Helen...Thomas...wisecrack ...

Helen Thomas is on the SC?

13 pat  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:06:27am

Clearly these black and white dimwits do not have the wisdom of a Latina.

14 Ron Bacardi  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:06:31am

1. Damn straight

2. Hello? Sovereign Immunity? I wasn't really surprised by that reasoning, regardless of how much I hate the Saudis.

15 NY Nana  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:06:47am

re: #1 EmmmieG

!. Wahoo.

2. Bummer.

Exactly.

But the ruling re the sodding Sauds? This is, at the very least, a disgrace. I wonder if they, too, are in the Saudis' pockets? They spit on each and every victim of 9/11, their families, friends, and on the First Responders, who gave their lives, and also who are both physically and mentally scarred from that day, which I will never be able to forget. We have not gone into NYC since, and there are kids growing up here, in the suburbs, who lost either one or both parents...

The verdict is obscene.

Re Sotomayor? Bet this will not stop her getting on the Supreme Court.

16 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:07:16am

re: #5 Ward Cleaver

I don't like the Saudi ruling, either, but if it follows the constitution, I'll respect it.

Yes, there is a precedent that leaders of a country cannot be sued.
Which means the real outrage is how the leaders of the US have been sucking up to the Saudis, and I mean all of them for many years.

We need RUDY!

17 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:07:32am

re: #15 NY Nana

Exactly.

But the ruling re the sodding Sauds? This is, at the very least, a disgrace. I wonder if they, too, are in the Saudis' pockets? They spit on each and every victim of 9/11, their families, friends, and on the First Responders, who gave their lives, and also who are both physically and mentally scarred from that day, which I will never be able to forget. We have not gone into NYC since, and there are kids growing up here, in the suburbs, who lost either one or both parents...

The verdict is obscene.

Re Sotomayor? Bet this will not stop her getting on the Supreme Court.

That train has left the station.

18 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:07:45am

re: #12 Walter L. Newton

Helen Thomas is on the SC?

She could wander in to ask questions, if Obama is going to stop calling on her.

19 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:07:48am

On the first note, I'm glad to see that people have finally recognized the fact that the initial ruling was wrong.

On the second note, I don't like this ruling, but if it's under the letter of the law, I'll accept it. May not like it, but I'll deal with it.

20 iceweasel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:07:58am

I've got nothing to say, except about that second ruling.

21 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:08:21am

Don't knock those minority set asides. In 15 more years old white guys are going to need them. /

22 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:08:33am

Diplomatic immunity. . .feh!

23 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:09:06am

The Court also put off the detainees cases until the next term, which means that Sotomayor is likely to be in the mix on that.

Most of the media is focusing on Ricci, and right now the S.Ct. website is timing out from the traffic, so getting a copy of the opinion on the 9/11 case is going to take time.

24 iceweasel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:09:09am

re: #16 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, there is a precedent that leaders of a country cannot be sued.
Which means the real outrage is how the leaders of the US have been sucking up to the Saudis, and I mean all of them for many years.

We need RUDY!

I'm with you on everything else, but god, no, we don't need Rudy. Unless you mean that we need him far, far away.

25 iLikeCandy  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:09:34am

Can any lawyers on board explain the basis for that second decision? Foreign countries can't be sued in U.S. courts? a) Why is that, and b) the families were suing individuals, weren't they?

26 Ron Bacardi  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:09:42am

re: #24 iceweasel

We need Rudy now more than ever.....

27 Lincolntf  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:09:46am

I'm glad Sotomayor got slapped down by her future colleagues.
As for the Saudi royal family not being sued, I wish it could have happened but discardling sovereign immunity is a big step and one that might best be considered in a case less inflammatory than 9/11.

28 Ron Bacardi  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:10:47am

re: #25 iLikeCandy

The report says "countries" but it applies to foreign dignitaries and officials as well.

29 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:11:06am

re: #25 iLikeCandy

Can any lawyers on board explain the basis for that second decision? Foreign countries can't be sued in U.S. courts? a) Why is that, and b) the families were suing individuals, weren't they?


IIRC they were doing a joint lawsuit against the Saudi royal family which is the government of Saudi Arabia. Sort of like suing the Queen of England for damages the IRA committed.

30 opnion  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:11:09am

Generally speaking, you can sue people or corporations wherever they are & that includes where assets reside.
Since the 9/11 families have no further recourse here, I wonder if they could gain standing in a foreign venue & sue them there?

31 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:11:40am

re: #15 NY Nana

Exactly.

But the ruling re the sodding Sauds? This is, at the very least, a disgrace. I wonder if they, too, are in the Saudis' pockets? They spit on each and every victim of 9/11, their families, friends, and on the First Responders, who gave their lives, and also who are both physically and mentally scarred from that day, which I will never be able to forget. We have not gone into NYC since, and there are kids growing up here, in the suburbs, who lost either one or both parents...

The verdict is obscene.

Re Sotomayor? Bet this will not stop her getting on the Supreme Court.

Sovereign immunity is a generally accepted principle that leaders of a country cannot be sued in another country. Well, it is accepted unless the leaders are Israeli.

It would be up to the government to decide some other form of punishment, including blocking donations to Wahabi mosques, in the US, etc.

32 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:11:43am

re: #24 iceweasel

I'm with you on everything else, but god, no, we don't need Rudy. Unless you mean that we need him far, far away.

Maybe as a conductor on the New York subway system.

33 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:11:43am

re: #14 Ron Bacardi

1. Damn straight

2. Hello? Sovereign Immunity? I wasn't really surprised by that reasoning, regardless of how much I hate the Saudis.

At what point are we going to consider, as a nation, the idea that if we offer such blanket immunity, that instead of the occasional diplomat's vehicular homicide, we are now treating 9-11 like a perk- you can slaughter as many of us as you want. . .indirectly. . .and still have our leaders bowing to you. . .

34 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:11:49am

I am no friend of Satanic Arabia, but revoking sovereign immunity for the fraudi potentates would open a huge can of diplomatic worms.
With that precedent, lefty activists would flock to the courts to sue every non-communist government in the world. They would eventually find pliable judges who would order politically motivated asset seizures, arrests, and similar outrages. These would be overturned but in the meantime, there would be chaos on an unimaginable scale and the disappearance of all foreign trade and bi-lateral cooperation of any kind.

35 Baier  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:12:04am

Dictators and Monarchs should not be allow sovereign immunity, not from the US. Dictators and Monarchs deserve no protection further then what we extend to any other foreign citizen, from our law.

36 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:13:36am

I think I need lawhawk here. Did the SC decide that the New Haven test results weren't in conflict with Title VII requirements, whereas Judge Sotomayor and the panel believed there may have been? IIRC, New Haven didn't promote anyone, and threw out the test because they (via their attorneys) were afraid of a discrimination suit.

Personally, I'm really glad that the SC ruled for the firefighters, but maybe it's time for Congress to revisit some of the Civil Rights Act provisions?

37 opnion  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:13:56am

re: #16 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, there is a precedent that leaders of a country cannot be sued.
Which means the real outrage is how the leaders of the US have been sucking up to the Saudis, and I mean all of them for many years.

We need RUDY!


Is the precedent based on the Constitution, or case law alone?

38 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:14:30am

re: #33 DisturbedEma

At what point are we going to consider, as a nation, the idea that if we offer such blanket immunity, that instead of the occasional diplomat's vehicular homicide, we are now treating 9-11 like a perk- you can slaughter as many of us as you want. . .indirectly. . .and still have our leaders bowing to you. . .

We should have told them that support for Al Qaeda would be considered an act of war, and we would take their oilfields and leave them eating sand in the desert.

39 avanti  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:14:31am

The court was just following precedent dealing with the

Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act.

40 Ron Bacardi  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:14:49am

re: #33 DisturbedEma

Because what will stop lawsuits against US officials such as the President or Secretary of Defense from flooding into the US court system once we begin to pick and choose who we give immunity to? It's a two-way street.

41 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:14:54am

re: #31 Kosh's Shadow

Sovereign immunity is a generally accepted principle that leaders of a country cannot be sued in another country. Well, it is accepted unless the leaders are Israeli.

It would be up to the government to decide some other form of punishment, including blocking donations to Wahabi mosques, in the US, etc.

So, do we attempt citizen's arrests when/if they come here? I mean if the Israelis can and have been subjected tothis based on specious allegations, can the American people act? //

42 iceweasel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:15:32am

re: #32 Walter L. Newton

Maybe as a conductor on the New York subway system.

Heh. Maybe. :)

But then I wouldn't put it past him to arm and deputise random passengers and instruct them to go forth and seek out all the passengers who were blocking the doors, or sitting with their legs apart. (And authorise the use of extreme force force against them).

43 saberry0530  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:15:34am

re: #10 EmmmieG

Trying...to...resisit...Helen...Thomas...wisecrack ...

Let it out, we'llyou'll feel better about it.

44 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:15:34am

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel

I am no friend of Satanic Arabia, but revoking sovereign immunity for the fraudi potentates would open a huge can of diplomatic worms.
With that precedent, lefty activists would flock to the courts to sue every non-communist government in the world. They would eventually find pliable judges who would order politically motivated asset seizures, arrests, and similar outrages. These would be overturned but in the meantime, there would be chaos on an unimaginable scale and the disappearance of all foreign trade and bi-lateral cooperation of any kind.

And you can be sure the first country whose leaders would be sued would be Israel. This has happened in the UK and Spain.

45 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:15:57am

Oops, blood pressure too high.
If I die over the AP's Goebbels-inspired coverage of Honduras, I want the lizardoids to sue the media for depriving them of my wisdom. Sue Chavez while you're at it.

46 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:16:19am

re: #40 Ron Bacardi

Because what will stop lawsuits against US officials such as the President or Secretary of Defense from flooding into the US court system once we begin to pick and choose who we give immunity to? It's a two-way street.

That is already happening. . .or did those attempts to sue and charge the Bush lawyers go away?

47 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:17:20am

re: #42 iceweasel

Heh. Maybe. :)

But then I wouldn't put it past him to arm and deputise random passengers and instruct them to go forth and seek out all the passengers who were blocking the doors, or sitting with their legs apart. (And authorise the use of extreme force force against them).

Ok, the first time, funny, the remark above (since it doesn't have a sarcasm tag) isn't.

48 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:17:22am

re: #39 avanti

The court was just following precedent dealing with the

Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act.

Then the four princes should in fact be able to be sued under this part of the act.

" The FSIA also excludes lifts immunity in cases involving certain counterclaims (§ 1607) and admiralty claims (§ 1605(b)). In addition, exceptions for torture, extrajudicial killing, aircraft sabotage and hostage-taking were added by amendment to the FSIA in connection with the Anti-terrorism law and updated again in 2008."

49 Lightspeed  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:17:23am

The Saudi ruling is as it should be. You can't have private citizens suing foreign governments. Hell, in most cases, we can't sue our own government. The government of the United States is the only entity that should be dealing with foreign powers, specifically, the executive branch. We can't allow any idiot with a chip on his shoulder drag a foreign leaded into court. I feel for the 9/11 victims, but if they want compensation, they should be lobbying our government to pressure the Saudis into giving it to them. Keep the courts out of it.

50 iLikeCandy  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:17:25am

re: #28 Ron Bacardi

The report says "countries" but it applies to foreign dignitaries and officials as well.

re: #29 JohnnyReb

IIRC they were doing a joint lawsuit against the Saudi royal family which is the government of Saudi Arabia. Sort of like suing the Queen of England for damages the IRA committed.

Thanks, guys. It still seems unfair. These guys were princes; it's not like they were participants in Saudi government.

51 iceweasel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:17:46am

re: #39 avanti

The court was just following precedent dealing with the

Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act.

Yes. It sucks, but it's not unexpected, and frankly the real issue is the years and years all the US admins spent holding hands with the saudis.

52 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:17:47am

re: #46 DisturbedEma

That is already happening. . .or did those attempts to sue and charge the Bush lawyers go away?

And I believe that if Sharon ever "recovers" he is also supposed to answer charges. . .or did that not make it out of the gate?

53 Wendya  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:18:07am

re: #5 Ward Cleaver

I don't like the Saudi ruling, either, but if it follows the constitution, I'll respect it.

Can you imagine the can of worms that would be opened up if citizens were allowed to sue foreign governments in US courts and receive damages? It would be open season on our government as people all over the world followed suit.

54 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:18:18am

re: #41 DisturbedEma

So, do we attempt citizen's arrests when/if they come here? I mean if the Israelis can and have been subjected tothis based on specious allegations, can the American people act? //

No one would get away with a citizen's arrest of a foreign official, in the US. They haven't succeeded in other countries, either, although there have been warrants issued for the arrest of Israeli leaders, preventing them from traveling to the UK and Spain. But if a citizen of one of those countries tried to arrest an Israeli, with no warrant from the court, they'd get in trouble.

55 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:18:31am

re: #51 iceweasel

Yes. It sucks, but it's not unexpected, and frankly the real issue is the years and years all the US admins spent holding hands with the saudis.

No shit.

56 iceweasel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:19:01am

re: #47 Walter L. Newton

Ok, the first time, funny, the remark above (since it doesn't have a sarcasm tag) isn't.

Well, we don't have a mark that means 'sarcastic hyperbole'.

57 Ron Bacardi  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:19:04am

re: #46 DisturbedEma

Foreigners are trying to sue the Bush lawyers?

58 NY Nana  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:19:07am

re: #17 Ward Cleaver

That train has left the station.

Sadly, I agree.

/Fasten your seat belt. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

59 Wendya  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:19:28am

re: #25 iLikeCandy

Can any lawyers on board explain the basis for that second decision? Foreign countries can't be sued in U.S. courts? a) Why is that, and b) the families were suing individuals, weren't they?

The families were suing the government and 4 Saudi princes who, are also considered part of the Saudi government.

60 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:19:33am

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Then the four princes should in fact be able to be sued under this part of the act.

" The FSIA also excludes lifts immunity in cases involving certain counterclaims (§ 1607) and admiralty claims (§ 1605(b)). In addition, exceptions for torture, extrajudicial killing, aircraft sabotage and hostage-taking were added by amendment to the FSIA in connection with the Anti-terrorism law and updated again in 2008."

When were these exceptions first added? 2008 would be too late.

61 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:19:40am

re: #49 Lightspeed

The Saudi ruling is as it should be. You can't have private citizens suing foreign governments. Hell, in most cases, we can't sue our own government. The government of the United States is the only entity that should be dealing with foreign powers, specifically, the executive branch. We can't allow any idiot with a chip on his shoulder drag a foreign leaded into court. I feel for the 9/11 victims, but if they want compensation, they should be lobbying our government to pressure the Saudis into giving it to them. Keep the courts out of it.

So the new government health insurance "plot" will mean that should your care be sunstandard, sue. . .the doctor. . .who will claim it was red tape and lack of funding. . .which means you will be possibly permantly damaged AND shit out of luck?

62 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:19:42am

re: #53 Wendya

Can you imagine the can of worms that would be opened up if citizens were allowed to sue foreign governments in US courts and receive damages? It would be open season on our government as people all over the world followed suit.

And what if they tried to go to the Hague and bring charges up against, oh let's say, someone like Bush, for what he did while he was president... that would be...

63 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:19:42am

OT- Billy Mays

Preliminary findings seem to point to heart disease as the cause of death. It appears that the rough landing and head bump had nothing to do with his death.

64 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:19:48am

re: #45 Shiplord Kirel

Oops, blood pressure too high.
If I die over the AP's Goebbels-inspired coverage of Honduras, I want the lizardoids to sue the media for depriving them of my wisdom. Sue Chavez while you're at it.

Can we use the winnings to throw a kegger?

65 Ron Bacardi  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:20:02am

Even still, the Act only prevents specific officials from prosecution. I'm not sure if every government employee is immune.

66 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:20:21am

re: #56 iceweasel

Well, we don't have a mark that means 'sarcastic hyperbole'.

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I will correct myself, that was cheap hyperbole :)

67 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:20:21am

re: #54 Kosh's Shadow

No one would get away with a citizen's arrest of a foreign official, in the US. They haven't succeeded in other countries, either, although there have been warrants issued for the arrest of Israeli leaders, preventing them from traveling to the UK and Spain. But if a citizen of one of those countries tried to arrest an Israeli, with no warrant from the court, they'd get in trouble.

So a "keep out under threat of arrest" situation?

68 iLikeCandy  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:20:26am

re: #49 Lightspeed

The Saudi ruling is as it should be. You can't have private citizens suing foreign governments. Hell, in most cases, we can't sue our own government. The government of the United States is the only entity that should be dealing with foreign powers, specifically, the executive branch. We can't allow any idiot with a chip on his shoulder drag a foreign leaded into court. I feel for the 9/11 victims, but if they want compensation, they should be lobbying our government to pressure the Saudis into giving it to them. Keep the courts out of it.

About five percent of that country is royalty, though. By accident. According them the status of diplomats or acting as if they were representing a foreign government in giving their money away seems wrong. But oh well, I'm sure there are nuances that I can't appreciate. Damned nuances.

69 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:20:47am

The best way to stop holding hands with the Saudi's is to develop our own energy resources here at home. Drill here, drill now and tell the Saudi's to shove it.

70 Wendya  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:21:05am

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

And what if they tried to go to the Hague and bring charges up against, oh let's say, someone like Bush, for what he did while he was president... that would be...

Oh, they've tried to go after Bush and his administration but so far it's been shot down at every turn.

71 Ojoe  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:21:30am

As a white male, I do not believe that I could get justice from Sotomayor, who considers herself in some way superior to me as a "wise Latina."

How.

Very.

Sad.

72 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:21:40am

re: #69 LGoPs

The best way to stop holding hands with the Saudi's is to develop our own energy resources here at home. Drill here, drill now and tell the Saudi's to shove it.

Noooooooo... you'll hurt Gia.

73 Cygnus  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:21:48am

re: #32 Walter L. Newton

Maybe as a conductor on the New York subway system.

The New York Philharmonic Orchestra rides the subway? :)

74 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:21:59am

re: #69 LGoPs

The best way to stop holding hands with the Saudi's is to develop our own energy resources here at home. Drill Refine here, drill now and tell the Saudi's to shove it.

FIFY

75 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:22:00am

re: #70 Wendya

Oh, they've tried to go after Bush and his administration but so far it's been shot down at every turn.

I know, I was making a point.

76 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:22:09am

re: #45 Shiplord Kirel

Oops, blood pressure too high.
If I die over the AP's Goebbels-inspired coverage of Honduras, I want the lizardoids to sue the media for depriving them of my wisdom. Sue Chavez while you're at it.

I'm glad the Hondurans kicked Zelaya out before he could pull a Chavez on them. Screw Chavez, 0bama, and everyone else who's criticizing the Hondurans.

77 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:22:22am

re: #57 Ron Bacardi

Foreigners are trying to sue the Bush lawyers?

Wasn't it the English Gaza on the boat people who were trying to do that. . .or was it McKinney. . .shhot cannot remember to keep the crazy straight

78 opnion  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:22:26am

re: #39 avanti

The court was just following precedent dealing with the

Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act.

As unfortunate as it is, the statute seems pretty clear in this case.
You have to think that if it were not for the polical aspect of this that the court would have refused to even take the case.
It does seem thought, that the statute is rigid & should be revisited.

79 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:22:55am

Ahmadinejad: Neda's death is 'suspicious'

Iran's ambassador to Mexico -- one of few Iranian officials who has spoken to CNN since the disputed June 12 presidential election -- suggested that U.S. intelligence services could be responsible for her death.

"This death of Neda is very suspicious," Ambassador Mohammad Hassan Ghadiri said. "My question is, how is it that this Miss Neda is shot from behind, got shot in front of several cameras, and is shot in an area where no significant demonstration was behind held?

"Well, if the CIA wants to kill some people and attribute that to the government elements, then choosing women is an appropriate choice, because the death of a woman draws more sympathy," Ghadiri said.

80 NelsFree  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:22:57am

OT: Conversation with a union retiree
I stopped for lunch at a local convenience store. I joined a heavily tattooed fellow on a bicycle at an outdoor table. He had been a union truck driver who recently retired. He carried a tattoo of the Teamsters on his left calf, over a foot long.
As we talked, he extolled the benefits of being union. A nearby fellow joined us and told how he had been intimidated and extorted when working on a union job site. I mentioned that unions had harmed automobile manufacturing, the airlines, and other industries. The trucker then, incredulously, listed four companies for which he had worked that had all gone broke. "And ya know what it was that broke 'em? It was the unions!"
"So," I said,"you admit that unions are destroying businesses in America?"
"Yep," came the reply," but I get $2500 a month, and I don't care!"
I left right after that.

81 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:23:04am

re: #73 Cygnus

The New York Philharmonic Orchestra rides the subway? :)

Sorry I meant "conducer." I suc @ speeling.

82 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:23:10am

re: #61 DisturbedEma

So the new government health insurance "plot" will mean that should your care be sunstandard, sue. . .the doctor. . .who will claim it was red tape and lack of funding. . .which means you will be possibly permantly damaged AND shit out of luck?

Guess what - if the insurance company doesn't cover something, courts have ruled you can't sue them. It doesn't matter if it is necessary and you can't pay for it, or they made a medical decision without the proper training, they aren't liable.
So this would be no different, except that the government is going to restrict what you can get, to what is "cost effective".

83 Lightspeed  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:23:11am

re: #61 DisturbedEma

So the new government health insurance "plot" will mean that should your care be sunstandard, sue. . .the doctor. . .who will claim it was red tape and lack of funding. . .which means you will be possibly permantly damaged AND shit out of luck?

Hmm, good question. It would certainly eliminate malpractice insurance. I don't think the trial lawyers would like that.

84 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:23:20am

re: #36 subsailor68

I think I need lawhawk here. Did the SC decide that the New Haven test results weren't in conflict with Title VII requirements, whereas Judge Sotomayor and the panel believed there may have been? IIRC, New Haven didn't promote anyone, and threw out the test because they (via their attorneys) were afraid of a discrimination suit.

Personally, I'm really glad that the SC ruled for the firefighters, but maybe it's time for Congress to revisit some of the Civil Rights Act provisions?

Sotomayor and the 2d Circuit simply issued a one paragraph opinion adopting the ruling of the District Court. The Supreme Court, in 5-4 opinion, found that the City of New Haven violated the rights of the white firefighters. Being afraid of being sued for allowing the results of the test to stand was insufficient as a reason to deny that the white firefighters were discriminated against. The threat of a lawsuit was insufficient as a reason to deny the civil rights of the white firefighters.

What this in effect suggests is that New Haven should have gone through with the results - promoted those firefighters and seen whether anyone sued on grounds of discrimination.

This could potentially lead to additional lawsuits in the future, but by the same token, it shows that you can't merely discriminate against one bunch of people just because of the threat of discrimination against others.

85 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:24:02am
86 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:24:07am

re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) I only wish our CIA was half as effective as these tin pot dictators portray it.

87 Ron Bacardi  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:24:18am

re: #77 DisturbedEma

Even with that the local, state, and federal governments of the US have certain immunity against torts even from US citizens, but that is different from sovereign immunity.

88 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:24:20am

re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ahmadinejad: Neda's death is 'suspicious'

"Well, if the CIA wants to kill some people and attribute that to the government elements, then choosing women is an appropriate choice, because the death of a woman draws more sympathy," Ghadiri said.

And our CIA would have thought that well out in advance and not make those mistakes... dumb shits.

89 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:24:24am

re: #67 DisturbedEma

So a "keep out under threat of arrest" situation?

The Israelis would rather not push it and find out how the courts rule in those countries.
To be fair to Spain, the government is trying to change the law - yes, the current government.

90 NelsFree  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:24:30am

re: #29 JohnnyReb

IIRC they were doing a joint lawsuit against the Saudi royal family which is the government of Saudi Arabia. Sort of like suing the Queen of England for damages the IRA committed with money provided by Prince Charles.

There, fixed that for ya!

91 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:24:34am

re: #60 Kosh's Shadow

When were these exceptions first added? 2008 would be too late.

Previous amendments were made and applied retroactively.

Retroactive Application. In 2004, the Supreme Court held in Republic of Austria v. Altmann, 541 U.S. 677 (2004) that the FSIA applies retroactively. That case involved a claim by the descendants of owners of famous paintings against the Austrian government for return of those paintings, which were allegedly seized during the Nazi era. As a consequence of Altmann, for lawsuits filed after the enactment of the FSIA (1976), FSIA standards of immunity and its exceptions apply, even where the conduct that took place prior to enactment of the FSIA. See Note, 79 Tul. L. Rev. 1113 (2005) (discussing history of FSIA).

92 iceweasel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:24:36am

re: #73 Cygnus

The New York Philharmonic Orchestra rides the subway? :)

Q. Hey Rudy, how do I get to Carnegie Hall?

A. Take the 7 train! uh...I mean, practice, practice, practice.

93 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:24:53am
94 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:25:01am

re: #79 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It's suspicious that someone would take a nutter who sees auras and speaks of apocalyptic visions longingly seriously, and yet that's who the mad mullahs are demanding be deemed the President of Iran.

I find that highly suspicious.

95 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:25:06am

re: #82 Kosh's Shadow

Guess what - if the insurance company doesn't cover something, courts have ruled you can't sue them. It doesn't matter if it is necessary and you can't pay for it, or they made a medical decision without the proper training, they aren't liable.
So this would be no different, except that the government is going to restrict what you can get, to what is "cost effective".

How much of the senior vote did zero get again?

96 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:25:41am

re: #83 Lightspeed

Hmm, good question. It would certainly eliminate malpractice insurance. I don't think the trial lawyers would like that.

Doctors working for the government get immunity? Hmmm

97 Randall Gross  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:26:13am

Sotomayer will get more play, but Charles is right, the Saudi decision is the one that's scurrilious

98 realwest  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:27:02am

Hey lawhawk - if you're still out here - do you know what Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against the plaintiffs in the Saudi Royal Family?
I would think it was the Second Circuit, since the victims were all murdered in NYC and most of the families of the victims lived within the jurisdiction of the Second Circuit Court Of Appleals (Sotomayor's Circuit Court).

99 Racer X  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:27:19am

She's not even on the bench yet and they are already disagreeing with her. Heh.

100 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:27:41am

re: #96 DisturbedEma

Doctors working for the government get immunity? Hmmm

The immunity would be for not performing a procedure that would have worked but wasn't on the approved list. If they screwed up, someone would still be liable.

101 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:27:43am

Ok, WLW says that EVEN THOUGH tests were written specifically to be fair, and DESPITE the fact that Hispanics and whites passed, the test should be thrown out BECAUSE no one else of color passed. . .and somehow that is NOT using race to deny promotion?

Not so wise Jewish woman says WHAT?

102 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:27:50am
103 gman  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:27:50am

According to US Code section 1605 of the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act-

... the court shall decline to hear a claim under this paragraph—
(A) if the foreign state was not designated as a state sponsor of terrorism under section 6(j) of the Export Administration Act of 1979

our friends, the Saudis, do not count as state sponsors of terrorism.

104 opnion  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:27:53am

re: #71 Ojoe

As a white male, I do not believe that I could get justice from Sotomayor, who considers herself in some way superior to me as a "wise Latina."

How.

Very.

Sad.


Following her logic. putting Charo on the Court would be muy fantastico!
Coochie coochie!

105 shug  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:28:30am

Too bad for the 9/11 families.

perhaps they should sue Jamie Gorelick. they might have better luck

106 slymon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:28:33am

re: #35 Baier

That's a problem depending on who provides the definition of 'dictator'. A slippery slope.

107 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:28:37am

re: #82 Kosh's Shadow

Guess what - if the insurance company doesn't cover something, courts have ruled you can't sue them. It doesn't matter if it is necessary and you can't pay for it, or they made a medical decision without the proper training, they aren't liable.
So this would be no different, except that the government is going to restrict what you can get, to what is "cost effective".

It'll become, "Take two pills (cyanide), and have your survivors call us in the morning."

108 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:28:38am

re: #100 Kosh's Shadow

The immunity would be for not performing a procedure that would have worked but wasn't on the approved list. If they screwed up, someone would still be liable.

But who would pay out any awards? Taxpayers?

109 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:29:07am

re: #84 lawhawk

Hi lawhawk! Thanks! It does make sense - the idea that in trying to avoid discrimination against one group you cannot do so by discriminating against another. As I noted above, I'm glad the ruling was in favor of the fire fighters, and your explanation sure works for me!

:-)

110 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:29:32am
111 iceweasel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:29:34am

re: #97 Thanos

Sotomayer will get more play, but Charles is right, the Saudi decision is the one that's scurrilious

totally. We are going to hear nothing but Sotomayor/SCOTUS decision for a week and half, I'd guess, and the Saudi decision will disappear under water with barely a ripple.

112 Racer X  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:29:34am

re: #80 NelsFree

"So," I said,"you admit that unions are destroying businesses in America?"
"Yep," came the reply," but I get $2500 a month, and I don't care!"
I left right after that.

Bang!

That right there is the typical union mentality.

113 NelsFree  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:30:05am

re: #93 buzzsawmonkey

Latina wisdom on the Court?
Fellow justices she will exhort;
Don't worry 'bout cases
That deal with the races
If your ancestry's of the right sort.

A limerick! The lowest form of poetry!
Have you no shame!?
/h

114 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:30:32am

re: #64 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can we use the winnings to throw a kegger?

If you can get enough to cover it.

115 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:31:01am

re: #113 NelsFree

A limerick! The lowest form of poetry!
Have you no shame!?
/h

He could have at least written it in Spanish.

/

116 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:31:14am

re: #82 Kosh's Shadow

Guess what - if the insurance company doesn't cover something, courts have ruled you can't sue them. It doesn't matter if it is necessary and you can't pay for it, or they made a medical decision without the proper training, they aren't liable.
So this would be no different, except that the government is going to restrict what you can get, to what is "cost effective".

"Well, my doctor said something about youth in Asia, but really, how do Chinese kids help my bad hip?"

117 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:31:33am
118 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:31:40am

BREAKING NEWS: Iran's elections oversight body declares presidential vote valid after limited recount

The vote stands, Ahmadinejad and his backers in the Guardian Council saw to it that this result stands.

How will the US deal with this now? They can't wait to get to the bargaining table, even as Iranians consider the next step now that the Guardian Council has ended the thin veneer of democracy in Iran and replaced it with a totalitarian dictatorship - a mullahocracy with the illegitimate Ahmadinejad as its public face.

119 Ron Bacardi  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:32:10am

re: #118 lawhawk

What a shock :-/

120 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:32:23am

re: #98 realwest

I'm having a bear of a time with the Scotus website right now, so I can't track down the opinions, or get to the underlying cases.

121 mich-again  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:32:42am
Nearly 6,000 plaintiffs had planned to sue, claiming money from Saudi Arabia and four of its princes ended up in the hands of Al Qaida members.

It wasn't just the money. Money can't convince a sane person to fly a plane into a building. Exporting Wahhabism is what makes the Saudi princes culpable.

122 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:32:51am

re: #118 lawhawk

BREAKING NEWS: Iran's elections oversight body declares presidential vote valid after limited recount

The vote stands, Ahmadinejad and his backers in the Guardian Council saw to it that this result stands.

How will the US deal with this now? They can't wait to get to the bargaining table, even as Iranians consider the next step now that the Guardian Council has ended the thin veneer of democracy in Iran and replaced it with a totalitarian dictatorship - a mullahocracy with the illegitimate Ahmadinejad as its public face.

Come on over for the 4th. . .all is forgiven now that we "know" the election results are as valid as zero's credentials as a scholar and leader. . .///

123 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:33:24am

re: #119 Ron Bacardi

What a shock :-/

What you said, extra sarcasm from me:)

124 Nim Chimpsky  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:33:30am

This is part of George Bush's legacy: If he hadn't made his appointments to the Supreme Court, it is likely that the 5-4 decisions in favor of the Second Amendment and today's New Haven Fire Fighters decision would have gone the other way.

125 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:33:30am

re: #118 lawhawk

Heartbreaking.

126 NelsFree  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:34:11am

re: #115 Ward Cleaver

He could have at least written it in Spanish.

/

...and posted it at Home Depot
//

127 Syrah  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:34:25am

re: #118 lawhawk

BREAKING NEWS: Iran's elections oversight body declares presidential vote valid after limited recount

The vote stands, Ahmadinejad and his backers in the Guardian Council saw to it that this result stands.

How will the US deal with this now? They can't wait to get to the bargaining table, even as Iranians consider the next step now that the Guardian Council has ended the thin veneer of democracy in Iran and replaced it with a totalitarian dictatorship - a mullahocracy with the illegitimate Ahmadinejad as its public face.

Limited Recount? Meaning that they only counted Ahmadinejad votes?

This little acorn of a problem may not trouble the Obama administration all that much.

128 Baier  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:34:37am

re: #118 lawhawk


How will the US deal with this now? They can't wait to get to the bargaining table, even as Iranians consider the next step now that the Guardian Council has ended the thin veneer of democracy in Iran and replaced it with a totalitarian dictatorship - a mullahocracy with the illegitimate Ahmadinejad as its public face.

Obama has already said, quite clearly, this is a conflict between the Iranian government and it's people. I doubt it will change his course in the least. The world is how he wants to see it, not how it is.

129 NelsFree  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:34:49am

BBL

130 realwest  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:35:45am

re: #120 lawhawk
Thanks, me too! I was hoping you had had better luck!
But it does seem logical (which doesn't, in the law, necessarily make it correct) that it would be the Second Circuit in both cases, no?

131 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:36:04am

re: #113 NelsFree

A limerick! The lowest form of poetry!
Have you no shame!?
/h

The Lizard named Buzzsawmonkey
likes skewering things that are junky
but don't call him low
he's a poet you know
and his limericks and songs are so funky

132 Wendya  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:36:21am

re: #118 lawhawk

BREAKING NEWS: Iran's elections oversight body declares presidential vote valid after limited recount

The vote stands, Ahmadinejad and his backers in the Guardian Council saw to it that this result stands.

How will the US deal with this now? They can't wait to get to the bargaining table, even as Iranians consider the next step now that the Guardian Council has ended the thin veneer of democracy in Iran and replaced it with a totalitarian dictatorship - a mullahocracy with the illegitimate Ahmadinejad as its public face.

I imagine Obama will be calling to congratulate Ahmadinejad soon.

133 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:36:37am

re: #108 DisturbedEma

But who would pay out any awards? Taxpayers?

My guess is that actual medical damages would be paid for by the national health insurance; some coverage for loss of income from malpractice insurance; and there would be extreme limits on everything else. But that's my guess; I don't think the law has been written yet

134 kulhwch  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:36:44am

Gee, if they can't get a class action suit, maybe they can pool all their funds for other solutions ...

}:)     [ ... like pies in the face for the royals delivered by Mr. Majestic ... ]

135 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:37:03am

re: #132 Wendya

I imagine Obama will be calling to congratulate Ahmadinejad soon.

He'll be asking for pointers and taking notes.

136 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:37:03am

Riots Continues in Iran

Not sure how recent this is. Uploaded today.

137 J.D.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:37:33am

re: #135 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He'll be asking for pointers and taking notes.

Didn't they already use essentially the same campaign slogan?

138 Lincolntf  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:37:56am

re: #132 Wendya

I'm deeply concerned that you might be right.

139 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:38:03am

re: #112 Racer X

Bang!

That right there is the typical union mentality.

Don't talk to me about unions. POS's. Our city is currently in the middle of a strike of inside and outside workers. No garbage pickup, no daycare, no public pools, and EMS is on a work slow down. What about? 18 days of bankable paid sick days a year. And I wonder why sometimes that our city is in such dire financial straits. :(

140 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:39:47am

re: #139 BlueCanuck

Don't talk to me about unions. POS's. Our city is currently in the middle of a strike of inside and outside workers. No garbage pickup, no daycare, no public pools, and EMS is on a work slow down. What about? 18 days of bankable paid sick days a year. And I wonder why sometimes that our city is in such dire financial straits. :(

EMS on a slow-down? Do they care if people die?

141 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:39:54am
142 Wendya  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:40:17am

re: #139 BlueCanuck

18 paid sick days?

143 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:40:48am

re: #73 Cygnus

re: #32 Walter L. Newton
Maybe as a conductor on the New York subway system.
The New York Philharmonic Orchestra rides the subway? :)

Anyone who touches the third rail in an NYC subway will be promoted to conductor.

Shocking, isn't it.

144 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:41:04am

re: #136 Killgore Trout

Better quality clip from today....
RAW: Basiji Firing Directly at Protestors

Raw footage from Tehran.
He says: ''It's 30 Khordad(20 june) Tehran, smoke is everywhere. Everybody is at the streets.''

145 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:41:42am

re: #117 buzzsawmonkey

The Limerick is not quite the lowest form of poetry. The ill-rhymed Limerick with bad scansion is the lowest form of poetry.

As to shame...no, not a lot. As I observed yesterday, I ration that.

I'm awfully sorry, and it pains me deeply that I ahve to say this, especially since I do so admire your poetry - but that wasn't a proper Limerick.

Sorry.

A proper Limerick must always contain a place name!

Like:
'A Latina from Mexico City
thought she was wise and so witty.
She dished out the law,
as fit as she saw,
that lawgirl from Mexico City.'

146 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:41:46am

re: #136 Killgore Trout

Riots Continues in Iran

Hell of a week to be competing with media coverage of Michael Jackson. Sad.

147 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:42:11am

re: #140 MandyManners
Well, if you are unconcious, having breathing difficulties, or bleeding they will send one right away. Other wise you are SOL.

re: #142 Wendya

Yeah, 18 paid sickdays. That can roll over and be cashed out on retirement. I wish I could do that, at least get a paid sick day when I needed it.

148 Lynn B.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:42:34am

re: #97 Thanos

Sotomayer will get more play, but Charles is right, the Saudi decision is the one that's scurrilious

As much as I don't like it in this case, for reasons well explained above by several people, the Saudi decision was probably correct under existing law (the FSIA).

The part that ticks me off is this.

The Obama administration had angered some victims and families by urging the justices to pass up the case.

The Obama administration should have STFU and stayed out of it. IMO.

149 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:42:41am

There was a young man named Dave,

150 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:43:05am

The Supreme Court interpreted the sovereign immunity law correctly. Unfortunately for the 9/11 families, it's a bad law.

151 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:43:19am

re: #5 Ward Cleaver

I don't like the Saudi ruling, either, but if it follows the constitution, I'll respect it.

Not so much the Constitution, per se, as Federal law:

Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act

(Also, a long history of precedent in almost all legal systems.)

152 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:43:20am

re: #145 yma o hyd

There once was a man from Japan
who sat upon a caiman.
The caiman went crunch
And ate him for lunch,
Thus no more man from Japan.

153 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:43:56am

re: #145 yma o hyd


A proper Limerick must always contain a place name!

Thus explaining the popularity of Nantucket as a location for the subjects of so many limericks.

154 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:44:02am

re: #118 lawhawk

BREAKING NEWS: Iran's elections oversight body declares presidential vote valid after limited recount

The vote stands, Ahmadinejad and his backers in the Guardian Council saw to it that this result stands.

How will the US deal with this now? They can't wait to get to the bargaining table, even as Iranians consider the next step now that the Guardian Council has ended the thin veneer of democracy in Iran and replaced it with a totalitarian dictatorship - a mullahocracy with the illegitimate Ahmadinejad as its public face.

A footnote to this:

To my and a lot of other people's great relief, this tweet came in a short while ago:
'Important : Persian Kiwi is not arrested, but he does not have access to internet.# iranelection
28 minutes ago from web
(From 'iranbaan')

What a relief!

155 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:44:07am

re: #145 yma o hyd

Like:
'A Latina from Mexico City
thought she was wise and so witty.
She dished out the law,
as fit as she saw,
that lawgirl from Mexico City.'

pssst... Sotomayor is from Puerto Rico...

156 Joan Not of Arc  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:44:24am

What would the Supreme Court like the families to do? It's bad enough that the Saudis fund terrorists and that a large number of the September 11th terrorists were Saudi, now their own legal system fails them.
Just great.

157 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:44:32am

re: #152 BlueCanuck

There once was a man from Japan
who sat upon a caiman.
The caiman went crunch
And ate him for lunch,
Thus no more man from Japan.

There once was a man from Nantucket
Who went down a well in a bucket
If you've heard this before
Then you'll think me a bore
But the other one's dirty, so f*ck it.

158 zelnaga  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:45:07am

As I understand it, Eldred v. Ashcroft was so-named because of sovereign immunity. The United States couldn't be sued so Ashcroft was sued, instead. By that same token, why can't the 9/11 victims families sue the Saudi royal family members individually?

159 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:45:28am

A Latina SCOTUS nominee
Had this to say on TV
"On the bench I will call
'Equal justice for all!'
For all those who resemble me."

160 opnion  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:45:29am

re: #148 Lynn B.

The Obama administration should have STFU and stayed out of it. IMO.

He bowed to the Saudi King. He didn't drop a contact He wasn't checking out his shoes, he bowed. He actually seems to like the House of Saud.

161 Rancher  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:45:32am
Supreme Court Rules Against Sotomayor


Last time that will happen.

Why was Qaddafi able to be sued? He was wasn't he, for Lockaby?

162 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:45:49am

re: #152 BlueCanuck

Got it - thats the true Limerick spirit!

163 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:46:30am

re: #145 yma o hyd

Hi yma! A place name for every limerick? Hmmm...

There was a young lady from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch,
Who went for a walk with her pooch,
She stopped by the sign,
Drank a bottle of wine,
And decided to move to Duluth.

164 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:46:37am

re: #158 zelnaga

As I understand it, Eldred v. Ashcroft was so-named because of sovereign immunity. The United States couldn't be sued so Ashcroft was sued, instead. By that same token, why can't the 9/11 victims families sue the Saudi royal family members individually?

I don't see why not, but I'll defer to our resident legal eagles.

165 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:46:49am

re: #159 JamesTKirk

A Latina SCOTUS nominee
Had this to say on TV
"On the bench I will call
'Equal justice for all!'
For all those who resemble me."

Hmmm not bad, last line doesn't scan right for me though. How about "For all who are similar to me"?

166 Syrah  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:46:54am

If the Suadi Princess were sued as individuals, leaving the Saudi State completely out of the case, could a different ruling have resulted? or is every foreign national immune from civil suit?

167 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:47:02am

Here's a summary of the opinion of Justice Kennedy in Ricci v. DeStefano.

Justice Kennedy's Majority Opinion

168 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:47:05am

re: #98 realwest

Hey lawhawk - if you're still out here - do you know what Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against the plaintiffs in the Saudi Royal Family?
I would think it was the Second Circuit, since the victims were all murdered in NYC and most of the families of the victims lived within the jurisdiction of the Second Circuit Court Of Appleals (Sotomayor's Circuit Court).

It was the 2d Circuit.

This is the decision of the 2d Circuit.


The Supreme Court ruled per curiam.

169 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:47:28am

re: #155 Occasional Reader

pssst... Sotomayor is from Puerto Rico...

Heh - this wasn't about Sotomayor - this was just a spur-of-the-moment example of how a proper Limerick should look like ...

(And anyway - there's such a tihng as poetic licence!)

170 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:47:35am

re: #163 subsailor68

[applause!]

171 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:47:47am

re: #146 DaddyG

Hell of a week to be competing with media coverage of Michael Jackson. Sad.

Sadly pathetic.

172 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:48:07am

re: #141 Iron Fist

Of course. He'll extend his congratulations and the friendship of the United States along with a Minuteman ICBM and thre well worn, but fully functional warheads. Dinnerjacket will get pissed off because he wasn't given new nuclear weapons (we haven't made them since the fall of the Berlin Wall).

"I keeeel you!"

Ahmadinejad will be upset that the missile and warheads come preset for Israel, because he also wants to nuke the US.

173 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:48:12am

Lunch!

174 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:48:12am

re: #162 yma o hyd

Came up with that one in public school when we were working on poetry. Got a lot of puzzled looks about caiman. Had to explain it's a type of crocidile in South America.

175 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:48:29am

re: #133 Kosh's Shadow

My guess is that actual medical damages would be paid for by the national health insurance; some coverage for loss of income from malpractice insurance; and there would be extreme limits on everything else. But that's my guess; I don't think the law has been written yet

That won't stop it from being created, will it? //

176 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:48:44am

re: #159 JamesTKirk

A Latina SCOTUS nominee
Had this to say on TV
"On the bench I will call
'Equal justice for all!'
For all those who resemble me."

Nope - no place name in it. Not proper. Ask any Irish person ...!

Good try, can do better!
;-))

177 Rancher  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:48:58am

How many lawsuits did Bush and Cheney have to defend? From home as well as abroad? Why can they go after the "torture" lawyers?

178 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:49:30am

re: #176 yma o hyd

Nope - no place name in it. Not proper. Ask any Irish person ...!

Good try, can do better!
;-))

There was a man from Nantucket,...

179 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:49:34am

re: #158 zelnaga

As I understand it, Eldred v. Ashcroft was so-named because of sovereign immunity. The United States couldn't be sued so Ashcroft was sued, instead. By that same token, why can't the 9/11 victims families sue the Saudi royal family members individually?

This might work, unless the individual members of the Saudi royal family are considered "the government" because of their royal status.

180 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:50:07am
181 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:50:12am

re: #163 subsailor68

Hi yma! A place name for every limerick? Hmmm...

There was a young lady from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch,
Who went for a walk with her pooch,
She stopped by the sign,
Drank a bottle of wine,
And decided to move to Duluth.

Excellent!
(Except for the slight mistake in regard to the Welsh pronounciation: she'd have to have a 'poch' in order to get a proper rhyme ...)

182 opnion  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:50:47am

re: #174 BlueCanuck

Came up with that one in public school when we were working on poetry. Got a lot of puzzled looks about caiman. Had to explain it's a type of crocidile in South America.

The Cayman Islands are known for turtles, but they are actually named for the croc type critters. Why I found that important to interject, I have no idea.

183 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:50:56am

This would tend to contradict the White House's assertion that Sotomayor's judgement is not being questioned.

9-0 against Sotomayor

184 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:51:46am

There was a old man from Qwghlm,

185 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:52:06am

re: #180 buzzsawmonkey

Sez the Oirish who tried very hard to knock proper Limericks into our brains!

The others are arty poetry - but not proper Limericks as made up by any Irishman or ~woman, on the hoof ...!

186 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:52:08am

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

There was a old man from Qwghlm,

Here's a tissue.

187 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:52:21am

re: #182 opnion

Thanks though. Could always use a piece of useless trivia.

/well of useless knowledge here....

188 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:52:43am

re: #181 yma o hyd

Excellent!
(Except for the slight mistake in regard to the Welsh pronounciation: she'd have to have a 'poch' in order to get a proper rhyme ...)

LOL! Okay, my bad. Hey, Duluth didn't exactly rhyme either, but sounded funnier than Nantucket.

;-)

189 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:52:49am

re: #178 MandyManners

There was a man from Nantucket,...

There was a young fellow from Kent,
............
............
............
And instead of his coming he went.

Fill in the blanks.

190 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:53:13am

OK, so this one starts with a place name...

A bunch of fat guys in Riyadh
Who killed in the name of their god
   Have now just been told
   That we will not hold
Them responsible for their next jihad.

191 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:53:21am

re: #186 debutaunt

Here's a tissue.

What?

192 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:53:26am
193 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:53:34am

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

There was a old man from Qwghlm,

Good first line - how is that place pronounced, so we can get the second line?

;-)

194 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:53:44am

And one of my personal favorites of limericks:

There was a young lady from Blight
Who could travel faster then light
She left one day
In a relative way
And arrived the previous night.

195 jorline  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:53:59am

re: #9 Walter L. Newton

What's on the docket?

Sorry for the delay Walter...up front tending to customers.

Here's a link.

Supreme Court to decide final 3 cases on Monday

196 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:54:06am

re: #193 yma o hyd

Good first line - how is that place pronounced, so we can get the second line?

;-)

Pron: Phlegm

197 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:54:26am

re: #190 JamesTKirk

OK, so this one starts with a place name...

A bunch of fat guys in Riyadh
Who killed in the name of their god
   Have now just been told
   That we will not hold
Them responsible for their next jihad.

Ding!

198 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:54:28am

re: #193 yma o hyd

Good first line - how is that place pronounced, so we can get the second line?

;-)

Taggum

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

199 opnion  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:54:29am

re: #187 BlueCanuck

Thanks though. Could always use a piece of useless trivia.

/well of useless knowledge here....

De nada.

200 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:54:36am

re: #192 buzzsawmonkey

No true Irishman would quibble about whether or not a Limerick had a place name.

Oh no you didn't. LOL

201 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:54:52am

Is it just me or is Jerusalem Post online shut-down right now?

202 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:55:15am

re: #188 subsailor68

LOL! Okay, my bad. Hey, Duluth didn't exactly rhyme either, but sounded funnier than Nantucket.

;-)

Absolutely - and we had Nantucket already anyway ...
I'm sure there are some who will insist on 'Duluth' rhyming (sort of) with 'pooch'!

:-))

203 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:55:24am

re: #189 John Neverbend

There was a young fellow from Kent,
............
............
............
And instead of his coming he went.

Fill in the blanks.

Hmm....

There was a young fellow from Kent,
Who gave up his girlfriend for Lent.
She couldn't believe it,
And told him to leave it,
And instead of his coming he went.

204 CynicalConservative  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:55:35am

re: #201 Creeping Eruption

Is it just me or is Jerusalem Post online shut-down right now?

I get a "Site Overloaded" message.

205 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:55:49am

re: #201 Creeping Eruption

Is it just me or is Jerusalem Post online shut-down right now?

Site is "currently overloaded". What's going on?

206 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:55:55am

re: #204 CynicalConservative

I get a "Site Overloaded" message.

Its been like that for a few hours.

207 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:56:46am

re: #206 Creeping Eruption

Its been like that for a few hours.

Denial-of-service attack? Or hacked?

208 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:56:50am

re: #190 JamesTKirk

OK, so this one starts with a place name...

A bunch of fat guys in Riyadh
Who killed in the name of their god
   Have now just been told
   That we will not hold
Them responsible for their next jihad.

Do you have Irish ancestry?
Because thats how to do it!

209 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:56:52am

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

What?

Sounded like phlegm.

210 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:57:02am

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

There was a old man from Qwghlm,

Does it rhyme with "phlegm"?

211 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:57:07am

There once was a girl from Venus
Whose body was shaped like a...

212 Lynn B.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:57:10am

re: #158 zelnaga

As I understand it, Eldred v. Ashcroft was so-named because of sovereign immunity. The United States couldn't be sued so Ashcroft was sued, instead. By that same token, why can't the 9/11 victims families sue the Saudi royal family members individually?

For starters (but just for starters) the "F" in FSIA stands for "foreign." This case was about the right of U.S. citizens to sue members of a foreign government in U.S. courts. It has nothing to do with the sovereign immunity of the U.S. government from suits by its citizens.

213 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:57:39am

re: #209 debutaunt

Sounded like phlegm.

...a very approximate pronunciation of "Qwghlm" is Taggum.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

214 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:57:56am

re: #189 John Neverbend

There was a young fellow from Kent,
............
............
............
And instead of his coming he went.

Fill in the blanks.

Got me beat.

215 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:57:59am

re: #192 buzzsawmonkey

No true Irishman would quibble about whether or not a Limerick had a place name.

The ones we met in Co Clare definitely would - and did!

216 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:58:00am

re: #206 Creeping Eruption

Its been like that for a few hours.

Haaretz is working, as are Yediot and Ma'ariv, so it seems to be local to the Jerusalem P'sst.

217 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:58:01am

re: #208 yma o hyd

Do you have Irish ancestry?

Not much, but some.

Because thats how to do it!

*bows*

218 Lynn B.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:58:50am

re: #201 Creeping Eruption

Is it just me or is Jerusalem Post online shut-down right now?

It was overloaded a little while ago but I have it back up now.

219 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:59:09am

re: #204 CynicalConservative

I get a "Site Overloaded" message.

Same for a while, but back now.
Be sure that you use "back" or re-enter the url; refresh just gets you the same error message

220 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:59:11am

re: #211 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There once was a girl from Venus
Whose body was shaped like a...

..a genus?

221 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:59:21am

re: #218 Lynn B.

Got it back too.

222 opnion  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:59:21am

President Obama will toss out the first pitch in St. Louis at the All Star Game. Will he get a good recption or will he get booed like Kerry did at Fenway?
My guess is that it will be mostly positive with a smattering of boos.

223 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:59:48am

re: #222 opnion

President Obama will toss out the first pitch in St. Louis at the All Star Game. Will he get a good recption or will he get booed like Kerry did at Fenway?
My guess is that it will be mostly positive with a smattering of boos.

That depends on whether it's a slider or a change-up.

224 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 10:59:53am

There once was a limerick fest
by lizards who thought they knew best
they debated the form
which distracted from Pr0n
and more threads devoted to breasts.

225 opnion  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:00:40am

re: #223 John Neverbend

That depends on whether it's a slider or a change-up.

I just hope that he doesn't wear a White Sox hat.

226 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:00:47am

re: #222 opnion

President Obama will toss out the first pitch in St. Louis at the All Star Game. Will he get a good recption or will he get booed like Kerry did at Fenway?
My guess is that it will be mostly positive with a smattering of boos.

Sports fans are pretty polite here in St. Louis...

227 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:01:06am

re: #223 John Neverbend

That depends on whether it's a slider or a change-up.

He'll throw it in the dirt, to wild applause and media reports of what an impressive throwing arm he has.

228 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:01:42am

re: #222 opnion

President Obama will toss out the first pitch in St. Louis at the All Star Game. Will he get a good recption or will he get booed like Kerry did at Fenway?
My guess is that it will be mostly positive with a smattering of boos.


Hope he throws better then he bowls.

229 opnion  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:01:56am

re: #226 scottishbuzzsaw

Sports fans are pretty polite here in St. Louis...

That's what I think. I expect them to be respectful which does not mean approval.
I have been to old Bush Stadium, great fans.

230 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:02:19am

re: #223 John Neverbend

That depends on whether it's a slider or a change-up.

It will be a curve ball. He always throws curve ball. Oh unless there was an Israeli batter up, then it would be a the #1 high and hard.

231 Mr Spiffy  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:02:33am

re: #72 Walter L. Newton

Noooooooo... you'll hurt Gia.

...and Gaea, too

232 Syrah  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:02:40am

Another Country, Another Court.

The struggle against chavismo has never been about left-right politics. It is about defending the independence of institutions that keep presidents from becoming dictators. This crisis clearly delineates the problem. In failing to come to the aid of checks and balances, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Insulza expose their true colors.

233 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:02:54am

re: #229 opnion

I expect them to be respectful which does not mean approval.

Exactly.

234 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:03:02am

There once was an old man from Qwghlim,
(the closest pronouncing is "taggum")
He messed with a God,
He'll go under sod
When the morticians come and bag him.

235 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:03:19am

re: #225 opnion

I just hope that he doesn't wear a White Sox hat.


[Link: cbs2chicago.com...]

236 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:03:29am

Here's something I "tossed off" for a competition in January.

There was a young boy called Obama,
Who struggled to learn Latin grammar,
Because of the tensions,
Of all five declensions,
He scraped through his tests with a gamma.

237 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:03:30am

re: #198 Walter L. Newton

Taggum

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Doesn't say if the stress is on the first or second syllable ...
But if its imitating Welsh, its gotta be the second, i assume, so we might say:

There was a young man from Qwghlm
who loved playing on his drum.
One night he had three!
It was lovely to see
that young man playing his drum.

238 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:03:39am

There once was a old man from Qwghlm
Who saw women and wanted to bag 'em.
Though he promised thrills
(And took small blue pills)
He always went home alone, daggum.

239 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:03:44am

re: #231 Mr Spiffy

...and Gaea, too

And Gaia as well!

240 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:04:52am

re: #224 DaddyG

There once was a limerick fest
by lizards who thought they knew best
they debated the form
which distracted from Pr0n
and more threads devoted to breasts.

Love it!

241 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:05:15am

re: #234 MrSilverDragon

There once was an old man from Qwghlim,
(the closest pronouncing is "taggum")
He messed with a God,
He'll go under sod
When the morticians come and bag him.

That's really clever, for a dragon.

242 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:05:34am
243 avanti  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:05:41am

Palin/Romney still the favorites of the GOP. Palin even got a bump to 24% approval from the Dems after the Letterman deal, still high at 56% with the GOP, but Romney moving up.

Your text to link...

244 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:06:44am

re: #222 opnion

President Obama will toss out the first pitch in St. Louis at the All Star Game. Will he get a good recption or will he get booed like Kerry did at Fenway?
My guess is that it will be mostly positive with a smattering of boos.

Mass fainting.

245 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:06:47am

re: #213 Walter L. Newton

...a very approximate pronunciation of "Qwghlm" is Taggum.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Baggum and taggum?

246 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:06:54am

re: #237 yma o hyd

Doesn't say if the stress is on the first or second syllable ...
But if its imitating Welsh, its gotta be the second, i assume, so we might say:

There was a young man from Qwghlm
who loved playing on his drum.
One night he had three!
It was lovely to see
that young man playing his drum.

Good.

If you read the books mentioned (er, that's over 4000 pages in 4 books), you'll see that Stephenson is not imitating the welsh so much as satirizing them, very funny stuff without being nasty.

247 iceweasel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:07:09am

OT, sorry:

looks like Obama has chosen a church: the nondenominational Christian one at Camp David that GWB also chose.

It serves primarily military families and the current chaplain is a southern baptist (but the services are all christian non-denom.)

[Link: www.time.com...]

248 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:07:41am

re: #236 John Neverbend

Here's something I "tossed off" for a competition in January.

There was a young boy called Obama,
Who struggled to learn Latin grammar,
Because of the tensions,
Of all five declensions,
He scraped through his tests with a gamma.

I didn't even place, but my cousin came second with:

There was a young man called Obama,
Who had an affair with a llama,
The liberal press
Steered clear of the mess,
And nothing disturbed his good karma.

249 Joan Not of Arc  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:07:53am

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch

Say that five times fast!

A lady from near Lake Louise
Declared she was bothered by fleas
She used gasoline
And later was seen
Sailing over the hills and the trees.

250 Desert Dog  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:07:59am

The Saudi Royal family is granted protection, just like politicans here. I don't think that anyone from another country can sue Bush or Clinton or Obama in the same manner. But, why can't they sue the country? Sue the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia? I am not a lawyer (obviously), but I seem to recall the USA being sued all the time.

251 Lynn B.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:08:01am

Excellent point by Ilya Somin over at The Volokh Conspiracy:

The Supreme Court's decision in Ricci v. DeStefano has interesting implications for the longstanding debate over whether the Roberts Court is "pro-business." The bottom line is that the business interests were among the big losers here. The Court's ruling makes it difficult for employers to use race-conscious measures to avoid disparate impact liability under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. And this defeat was inflicted by the supposedly business-friendly conservative justices. Although Ricci addressed promotion decisions by a government employer, the same Title VII standards apply to private employers too.

The fact that the conservative justices dealt business interests a major defeat in Ricci doesn't prove that they would be equally indifferent to business concerns in other cases. That said, it's worth noting that the five conservative justices ruled against business interests on an issue that could potentially expose them to a great deal of costly litigation. This fact further weakens already dubious claims that the Roberts Court is systematically advancing a "pro-business" agenda.

252 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:08:37am

re: #241 Walter L. Newton

That's really clever, for a dragon.

Wonders never cease...

253 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:08:42am

OT: Republicans trying to bust ACORN's nut

Some Republican members of Congress want the U.S. Census Bureau to end a 2010 Census partnership with Acorn, the community organizing group that was hit by accusations of voter-registration fraud in the 2006 and 2008 elections.

254 realwest  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:09:31am

re: #168 lawhawk
So judge Sotomayor was involved in both of the cases Charles chose to use for this thread. Interesting.

255 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:09:52am

re: #247 iceweasel

OT, sorry:

looks like Obama has chosen a church: the nondenominational Christian one at Camp David that GWB also chose.

It serves primarily military families and the current chaplain is a southern baptist (but the services are all christian non-denom.)

[Link: www.time.com...]

Smart move on his part.

256 iceweasel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:09:54am

re: #243 avanti

Palin/Romney still the favorites of the GOP. Palin even got a bump to 24% approval from the Dems after the Letterman deal, still high at 56% with the GOP, but Romney moving up.

Your text to link...

heh. I saw that. Palin is by far the favourite among people who identify as GOP, even while they report massive dissatisfaction with the GOP.

I suspect at least some of that is because she's positioned herself as a non-Beltway person, an outsider.

257 realwest  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:10:23am

Well outta here again for lunch this time, hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

258 iceweasel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:10:49am

re: #255 Walter L. Newton

Smart move on his part.

I completely agree. I think it was probably the smartest move he could make.

259 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:10:56am

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

Again--Edward Lear's Limericks have been around for over 150 years, and not all of them contain place names.

Unless and until I see some authority denouncing his non-place-name Limericks as spurious (which I never have), and/or an authority which specifically insists that a place-name be included, I cannot accept the notion that lack of a place name renders a Limerick out of form.

There was a young fellow named buzzsaw,
Who cited Ed Lear and what he saw,
He told yma bird,
That's not what he'd heard,
Then ended his poem with Warsaw.

260 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:11:18am

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

Again--Edward Lear's Limericks have been around for over 150 years, and not all of them contain place names.

Unless and until I see some authority denouncing his non-place-name Limericks as spurious (which I never have), and/or an authority which specifically insists that a place-name be included, I cannot accept the notion that lack of a place name renders a Limerick out of form.

In no way is or was Edward Lear being dissed by me!

But here is how the traditional Limerick is described:

'The first line traditionally introduces a person and a place, with the place appearing at the end of the first line and establishing the rhyme scheme for the second and fifth lines. In early limericks, the last line was often essentially a repeat of the first line, although this is no longer customary.'
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

261 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:12:30am

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

Again--Edward Lear's Limericks have been around for over 150 years, and not all of them contain place names.

Unless and until I see some authority denouncing his non-place-name Limericks as spurious (which I never have), and/or an authority which specifically insists that a place-name be included, I cannot accept the notion that lack of a place name renders a Limerick out of form.

Well, we must turn to the webs most authoritative voice for an answer: Limrickipedia.

262 iceweasel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:13:00am

re: #253 Creeping Eruption

OT: Republicans trying to bust ACORN's nut

This is a mistake, because ACORN does not have any special role in the census.

They are one of (currently) 30,000 groups that are census partners, and the number of census partners is expected to exceed 100,000 by the time the census happens.

263 Lynn B.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:13:06am

re: #250 Desert Dog

The Saudi Royal family is granted protection, just like politicans here. I don't think that anyone from another country can sue Bush or Clinton or Obama in the same manner. But, why can't they sue the country? Sue the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia? I am not a lawyer (obviously), but I seem to recall the USA being sued all the time.

The Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act.

See also #212, above.

264 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:13:35am

re: #246 Walter L. Newton

Good.

If you read the books mentioned (er, that's over 4000 pages in 4 books), you'll see that Stephenson is not imitating the welsh so much as satirizing them, very funny stuff without being nasty.

Four thousand pages?

Crikey - when would I find time to be on LGF?

(The Welsh don't mind being satirised - that means the satirising person is at least taking notice of them ...!)

265 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:13:40am

re: #261 Creeping Eruption

Well, we must turn to the webs most authoritative voice for an answer: Limrickipedia.

Link, I can't find it?

266 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:14:04am

Only Israeli politicians/military personel can be sued by foreign courts.

It only stops when the Euros overstep and try to go after Americans or Americans go after Saudis.

267 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:14:15am

re: #256 iceweasel

heh. I saw that. Palin is by far the favourite among people who identify as GOP, even while they report massive dissatisfaction with the GOP.

I suspect at least some of that is because she's positioned herself as a non-Beltway person, an outsider.


Yea. Next thing you will say is that she gets diapers from Wal-Mart while campaining.
/

268 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:15:00am

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

Link, I can't find it?

It was a joke and I forgot my sarc tag.

269 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:15:05am

New video

Iranian police beating women

Brave woman kicks policeman right in his ass!

270 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:15:08am

re: #247 iceweasel

Really, who cares? As long as it's not a Portugese Water Preacher who serves lots of ice cream while serious world events happen!

271 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:15:26am

re: #264 yma o hyd

Four thousand pages?

Crikey - when would I find time to be on LGF?

(The Welsh don't mind being satirised - that means the satirising person is at least taking notice of them ...!)

Understand, the books are not all about fictional Qwghlm. It's only a small part of a very sweeping historical fiction story that covers many years.

272 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:16:00am

re: #249 Joan Not of Arc

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch

Say that five times fast!

Practice makes perfect!
(Every school child in Wales learns how to pronounce this!)

273 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:16:23am

A woman from Alaska named Palin
Denied the Dems' claims of smooth-sailin'
   "Thanks to that hypocrite,
   We're up a Creek known as Sh*t,
And pretty soon all of us will be bailin'."

274 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:16:34am

re: #268 Creeping Eruption

It was a joke and I forgot my sarc tag.

Oh... ok... I see...

well, I forgot to laugh... :)

275 iceweasel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:16:51am

re: #267 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yea. Next thing you will say is that she gets diapers from Wal-Mart while campaining.
/

Now why would you say that?

She is the fave among the GOP faithful. She IS charismatic. And she DOES position herself as, and run as, someone who is outside the DC/beltway elite.

I could care less where she's buying diapers from. I hope, if anything, she has a staffer to go make the run to walmart, so she can govern.

276 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:17:21am

re: #249 Joan Not of Arc

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch

Say that five times fast!

Raxacoricofallapatorius!

277 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:17:48am

re: #269 NJDhockeyfan

New video

Iranian police beating women



Brave woman kicks policeman right in his ass!

That second kick resembles one that I learned in karate. Who's the git who enters from stage left, without the riot gear, who gives her a third smack with the stick?

278 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:17:51am

'twas a yma o hyd from Wales
who shared with the lizards her tales
She said I don't mean to pick
but the start of his limerick
should indicate from whence he hails.

279 iceweasel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:18:31am

re: #270 BigPapa

Really, who cares? As long as it's not a Portugese Water Preacher who serves lots of ice cream while serious world events happen!

Well, you don't have to care. I don't especially.
I did preface it with OT, you know! :)

280 Lynn B.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:18:40am

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

Understand, the books are not all about fictional Qwghlm. It's only a small part of a very sweeping historical fiction story that covers many years.

And at the end of the 4,000 pages ... you wish there were more. ;-)

And I usually don't even like historical fiction. Stephenson is an awesome writer.

281 opnion  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:19:28am

re: #244 NJDhockeyfan

Mass fainting.


humidity in St. Louis this time of year can cause faiting, but Obama
will take credit.

282 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:19:30am

re: #131 DaddyG

That was very well done!
Ding!

283 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:19:57am

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

Understand, the books are not all about fictional Qwghlm. It's only a small part of a very sweeping historical fiction story that covers many years.

Its still four thousand pages ... !

(I've got a thousand unread pages, distributed over various books, sitting here and looking at me reproachfully ...)

284 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:20:18am

Okay, last one, I promise.

There once was a show host named Dave,
Who started to dig his own grave,
By insulting Sarah,
A terrible error,
His sponsors were too hard to save.

285 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:20:41am
286 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:21:41am

re: #278 DaddyG

'twas a yma o hyd from Wales
who shared with the lizards her tales
She said I don't mean to pick
but the start of his limerick
should indicate from whence he hails.

Wow - your grandparenst must have been born on the shores of the Shannon - or hail from Co Clare!

287 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:21:59am

Good Afternoon Lizards!
How is everyone this beautiful Monday?

288 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:22:07am

re: #279 iceweasel

I know, I'm not being snappy. Walter's right in that he took politics out of the decision by choosing that church. So..... we won't be able to discuss it now unless the preacher damns America or the birth certifikate if found there.

289 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:22:07am

re: #280 Lynn B.

And at the end of the 4,000 pages ... you wish there were more. ;-)

And I usually don't even like historical fiction. Stephenson is an awesome writer.

Well, I'm done with Cryptonomicon, and at about page 350 in Quicksilver, so I don't see the end in sight for a while.

When he is writing long dialog sections, he's as clever as it gets, his narrative is a bit more tedious.

But, you have to tread through the tedious, because there are little gems hidden in there too.

My girlfriend turned me on to his books.

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:22:41am

re: #145 yma o hyd

I'm awfully sorry, and it pains me deeply that I ahve to say this, especially since I do so admire your poetry - but that wasn't a proper Limerick.

Sorry.

A proper Limerick must always contain a place name!

Like:
'A Latina from Mexico City
thought she was wise and so witty.
She dished out the law,
as fit as she saw,
that lawgirl from Mexico City.'

Wait, now there's another Supreme Court candidate from Mexico?

So confused.

291 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:23:12am

re: #285 buzzsawmonkey

The form of a Limerick is sticky
Even if one makes reference to Wiki
So I think I'll sit out
For the rest of this bout
And sip on this lovely lime rickey.

Its Tricky to go with your icky Lime Ricky

292 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:23:26am

re: #285 buzzsawmonkey

The form of a Limerick is sticky
Even if one makes reference to Wiki
So I think I'll sit out
For the rest of this bout
And sip on this lovely lime rickey.

You transcend the form in one fell swoop!

Buzz is the LGF Poet Laureate!

293 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:23:32am

re: #275 iceweasel

Now why would you say that?

She is the fave among the GOP faithful. She IS charismatic. And she DOES position herself as, and run as, someone who is outside the DC/beltway elite.

I could care less where she's buying diapers from. I hope, if anything, she has a staffer to go make the run to walmart, so she can govern.


I say that because she DID stop at Wal-Mart during the election. She showed that she is a normal person. And more people can relate to her then all the freaking clowns in Washington. It wasn't a jab.

294 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:24:10am
295 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:24:13am

A man walking through Khyber Pass
Had testicles made out of brass
When colder the weather
They would bang together
And sparks would shoot out of his...

/too much caffeine.

296 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:24:17am

re: #289 Walter L. Newton

I think I have read all of his books. The Baroque cycle (3), Snowcrash, Diamond Age, and Cryptonomicon. Interesting piece of trivia. Snowcrash popularized the term of avatar for peoples pictures on the web and sites like this.

297 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:24:22am

A lizard named Daddy from Georgia
was writing up limericks galore
it got him updings
among other things
that shameless and bold karma whore.

298 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:24:23am

re: #289 Walter L. Newton

Well, I'm done with Cryptonomicon, and at about page 350 in Quicksilver, so I don't see the end in sight for a while.

When he is writing long dialog sections, he's as clever as it gets, his narrative is a bit more tedious.

But, you have to tread through the tedious, because there are little gems hidden in there too.

My girlfriend turned me on to his books.

Have your read Diamond Age? My favorite of his.

299 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:24:39am

re: #287 HoosierHoops

Good Afternoon Lizards!
How is everyone this beautiful Monday?

We're on the lime rickeys already - see buzzsawmonkey above!

300 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:24:59am
301 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:25:59am

re: #296 BlueCanuck

I think I have read all of his books. The Baroque cycle (3), Snowcrash, Diamond Age, and Cryptonomicon. Interesting piece of trivia. Snowcrash popularized the term of avatar for peoples pictures on the web and sites like this.

You missed Anathem.

302 Kragar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:26:20am

re: #300 NJDhockeyfan

New video

Police open fire on crowd

ITS JUST LIKE DURING THE GOP CONVENTION!

/



303 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:26:21am

re: #295 MrSilverDragon

A man walking through Khyber Pass
Had testicles made out of brass
When colder the weather
They would bang together
And sparks would shoot out of his...

/too much caffeine.

I knew that as the man from Madras...

Here's a rather English one.

There was a young man from Devizes,
Whose balls were of different sizes,
One was so small, it was no use at all,
But the other won several prizes.

304 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:26:42am

re: #301 Walter L. Newton

Damn, another book to add to my ever growing list and ever shortening time.

305 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:26:44am

re: #286 yma o hyd

Wow - your grandparenst must have been born on the shores of the Shannon - or hail from Co Clare!


A wee bit further Northeast and East. Lots of Grahams, Dixons, Trumbulls and the like.

306 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:26:45am

re: #299 yma o hyd

We're on the lime rickeys already - see buzzsawmonkey above!

{YMA}
There is no topic that hasn't been covered here..We even talked Chess here before....
Hope today finds you well

307 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:26:58am

re: #301 Walter L. Newton

You missed Anathem.

I baught a copy and started to read it but could not get into it. It seems to be very similar to Canticle for Leibowitz.

308 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:27:14am

A lizard who called himself Kirk
Surfed this site instead of doing work
   He regaled you folks
   With dick and boob jokes
But forgot a place name, that jerk!

309 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:27:45am

re: #307 Creeping Eruption

I baught bought a copy and started to read it but could not get into it. It seems to be very similar to Canticle for Leibowitz.

310 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:28:20am

I shot an arrow in the air.
Where is landed I know not where.
Hark I hear a lady grunt!
I fear I hit her in the elbow.

311 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:28:46am

re: #300 NJDhockeyfan

New video

Police open fire on crowd

[Video]

Hey your a hockey fan right? I was at the Yank-Met game at Citipark last night. The Islander's #1 pick threw out the first ball. He threw like a girl? I hope he plays hockey better?

312 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:29:11am

Updates from Iran today:

'# On Parkway right now people are beeping their horns, and basij has responded by smashing their windscreens and slashing their tires
# People had announced that they will form a human chain from Tajrish sq to Railway Today
# The cellphones are down in Valieasr street and surronding area.
# Police and plain clothes forces are settled across the Valiasr street to disallow the protesters to make a human-chain.
# Daneshju Park is full of Basij and special gaurds and militia forces are being organized in the park for dealing with the possible protest or human chain.
# Students of Science and Technology university put a photo of martyr Kianoosh Asa on the university's academic staff board..
# Office of the Islamic Association of Sistan and Baluchestan University set on fire by anonymous people.
# Alleis which are leading to Valieasr street are full of armed forces and Basij cyclists.
# There's some conflicts and militia forces are trying not to let people make the human chain.
# At Mellat park,Valieasr Sq,Vanak Sq and Valieasr street pedestrian way,people have took each other's hands and trying to make a human chain.
# Ayatollah Jannati,gaurdian council incharge person confirmed the election result.
# Important news: PersianKiwi is not arrested, but he does not have access to internet.'

[Link: shooresh1917.blogspot.com...]

313 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:29:24am

re: #300 NJDhockeyfan

It seems that there was some action today

RAW: Basiji Firing Directly at Protestors

314 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:29:24am

There was a lizard from Toronto
who did his job quite pronto
alas he failed
when his brain derailed
and got stuck repeating Toronto.

/:)

315 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:29:29am

re: #307 Creeping Eruption

I baught a copy and started to read it but could not get into it. It seems to be very similar to Canticle for Leibowitz.

That's good, I liked that book, read that when I was about 14. But, I have a lot of Stephenson left to read before I will ever get to it.

316 Dianna  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:29:36am

re: #307 Creeping Eruption

I baught a copy and started to read it but could not get into it. It seems to be very similar to Canticle for Leibowitz.

While I'm not fond of Anathem, it bears no resemblance (except by accident) to Canticle.

I can't sell my copy of Anathem. I scribbled irritated notes in the margins.

317 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:29:40am

re: #310 Ben Hur

*shaking head*

318 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:29:40am

New video

Looks like a protester who took a bullet.

Graphic video

319 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:30:29am

re: #316 Dianna

While I'm not fond of Anathem, it bears no resemblance (except by accident) to Canticle.

I can't sell my copy of Anathem. I scribbled irritated notes in the margins.

Worth reading?

320 zelnaga  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:31:10am

re: #212 Lynn B.

For starters (but just for starters) the "F" in FSIA stands for "foreign." This case was about the right of U.S. citizens to sue members of a foreign government in U.S. courts. It has nothing to do with the sovereign immunity of the U.S. government from suits by its citizens.

So while U.S. sovereign immunity does not stop you from suing the Attorney General by name even though the United States, itself, cannot be sued, foreign sovereign immunity does stop you? If so, then why the difference?

321 LGoPs  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:31:16am

re: #310 Ben Hur

I shot an arrow in the air.
Where is landed I know not where.
Hark I hear a lady grunt!
I fear I hit her in the elbow.

Rah Rah Ree
Kick 'em in the knee
Rah Rah Rass
Kick 'em in the......er...other knee

322 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:32:13am

From Manchester, came sailor Fred.
He rarely protected his head.
One day he set sail
While a storm fell big hail,
Unfortunately now Fred is dead.

323 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:32:16am

re: #310 Ben Hur

I shot an arrow in the air.
Where is landed I know not where.
Hark I hear a lady grunt!
I fear I hit her in the elbow.

*snort*

324 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:32:35am

re: #306 HoosierHoops

{YMA}
There is no topic that hasn't been covered here..We even talked Chess here before....
Hope today finds you well

Hiya, {HH}!
Its been too hot for Madame and me - 81F!

And we're sad, because Baz, our gorgeous holiday visitor (four-legged) has gone back to his mum&dad ... here's a photo of him ...

325 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:32:41am

re: #25 iLikeCandy

Can any lawyers on board explain the basis for that second decision? Foreign countries can't be sued in U.S. courts? a) Why is that, and b) the families were suing individuals, weren't they?

a) because you can't sue what the courts don't have power over
b) you'd think so

this is unlike these idiotic european courts who have decided local yokels can sue Dick Cheney in Spanish or Dutch local courts under the doctrine of whateverthefucktheycalledit.

326 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:33:28am

re: #321 LGoPs

Rah Rah Ree
Kick 'em in the knee
Rah Rah Rass
Kick 'em in the......er...other knee

Thaat reminds me of my favorite saying....
The only difference between a pat on the back and a kick in the ass is about 24 inches..

327 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:33:47am

Man shot on Enqilab Avenue
June 29, 2009

328 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:33:55am
re: #313 Killgore Trout

It seems that there was some action today

RAW: Basiji Firing Directly at Protestors

Damn. Good quality video showing them shooting from the roofs.

329 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:33:56am

re: #321 LGoPs

Rah Rah Ree
Kick 'em in the knee
Rah Rah Rass
Kick 'em in the......er...other knee

Rah Rah Ruts

330 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:34:25am

re: #316 Dianna

While I'm not fond of Anathem, it bears no resemblance (except by accident) to Canticle.

I can't sell my copy of Anathem. I scribbled irritated notes in the margins.

You know, I can write plays, dialog, till it's coming out my rear (nice graphic), but I still can't manage to write a full length novel.

Short form story, ok, column length, fine, novel, I get BORED after about 6-8 pages (and I have a whole bunch of 6-8 page novels finished, just ask).

I like the visual aspect of playwriting, meaning, the director, the artistic director, the lighting and set designer will all flesh out the setting. I don't have to "waste" my time trying to paint the picture in the text, the designers will supply the pallet, my dialog will fill in the colors.

I'm trying right now with another attempt at a novel, piecing together some ideas that have gone no where in the past.

331 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:34:32am

re: #324 yma o hyd

Hiya, {HH}!
Its been too hot for Madame and me - 81F!

And we're sad, because Baz, our gorgeous holiday visitor (four-legged) has gone back to his mum&dad ... here's a photo of him ...

81F hot? You should've been here in Chicagoland last week. We saw temperatures from the low 90s to the high 90s. Did I mention dew points in the middle 70s, with one day having a dew point of 78F?

We're finally back down to a comfortable 80F today.

332 itellu3times  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:34:40am

so has sotomayor passed on these limericks?

333 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:35:43am

re: #332 itellu3times

so has sotomayor passed on these limericks?

She is stuck in traffic in I 95 outside of New Haven and is unavailable for comment?

334 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:35:46am

re: #332 itellu3times

so has sotomayor  passed  pissed on these limericks?

You know, just for practice before she gets her hands on the Constitution...

335 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:36:03am
336 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:36:14am

re: #324 yma o hyd

Hiya, {HH}!
Its been too hot for Madame and me - 81F!

And we're sad, because Baz, our gorgeous holiday visitor (four-legged) has gone back to his mum&dad ... here's a photo of him ...

Awwwww..What a cutie!
It's been warm here. I worked on my tan lines over the weekend...
Winston doesn't seem to like the hot weather...poor guy runs in the house and looks out the window like I'm nuts..

337 turn  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:36:38am

There once was a lab named boob,
Who at the throw of a stick just stood.
For it was his only interest the ball,
And would chase it before anything else at all,
And this puts master turn in a BAD mood!

338 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:37:01am

Tan lines?

339 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:37:06am

We have even had Haiku threads:

Haiku poems have
five seven five syllables
what is up with that?

340 Zimriel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:37:19am

re: #316 Dianna

While I'm not fond of Anathem, it bears no resemblance (except by accident) to Canticle.

I can't sell my copy of Anathem. I scribbled irritated notes in the margins.

I did that to the first few chapters of Neal Robinson's "Discovering the Qur'an". There is an argument, dating to Patricia Crone in 1977, that Islamic history ought to be compiled from non-Muslim sources first; and that when that happens, it turns out the Qur'an was compiled late in the late Umayyad era and that some suras may have been written after Muhammad's death. Robinson's counter-argument is that Crone does not take the Qur'anic evidence into account. That is, that the Qur'an's claims about itself are proof of the Qur'an's claims about itself.

Robinson's book is so circular, I could use it as a frisbee for the dog.

341 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:37:22am

re: #318 NJDhockeyfan

It's interesting that we are mostly seeing body shots. They aren't just accidentally winging people in the arms or legs from random fire. The are aiming.

342 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:37:51am

re: #332 itellu3times

so has sotomayor passed on these limericks?

There once was a judge they called Sonya,
Who'd do what she could to disown ya,
If you're not latina,
There's nothin' between ya,
So she'll sit on the bench and ignore ya.

343 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:38:48am

re: #342 subsailor68

There once was a judge they called Sonya,
Who'd do what she could to disown ya,
If you're not latina,
There's nothin' between ya,
So she'll sit on the bench and ignore ya. then stone ya?

344 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:39:01am

re: #340 Zimriel

I did that to the first few chapters of Neal Robinson's "Discovering the Qur'an". There is an argument, dating to Patricia Crone in 1977, that Islamic history ought to be compiled from non-Muslim sources first; and that when that happens, it turns out the Qur'an was compiled late in the late Umayyad era and that some suras may have been written after Muhammad's death. Robinson's counter-argument is that Crone does not take the Qur'anic evidence into account. That is, that the Qur'an's claims about itself are proof of the Qur'an's claims about itself.

Robinson's book is so circular, I could use it as a frisbee for the dog.

Dogs are haram, so you shouldn't let the dog play with the book.
//

345 Racer X  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:39:08am

There was a young lad, Racer X
Showed the ladies his tremendous pecs
He then licked his brow,
(The ladies knew how)
'Cause Lizards have much better sex!

346 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:39:31am

re: #339 DaddyG

We have even had Haiku threads:

Haiku poems have
five seven five syllables
what is up with that?

This is a haiku.
It is a very boring one.
I've wasted your time!

347 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:39:40am

re: #338 Ben Hur

Tan lines?

Damn right Ben! :)
Nothing uglier than tan arms and a white chest...

348 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:39:45am

You can lick your eyebrow?

349 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:40:05am
But White House officials are fighting back, and they spent the morning reaching out to Senate Judiciary Committee members to make their case that the ruling should have little bearing on Sotomayor’s nomination.

“The issue from the Sotomayor perspective is, does this call into question anything about her judgement? And it doesn’t,” said one senior White House official. “The majority made it clear they are making a new rule. No one has really questioned that she did what she was supposed to do.’’

It gives me no pleasure to say so, but the Zero minions are right in this case. As the senior acolyte said, the SCOTUS can make a new rule, while Sotomayor was constrained to ruling on what the current law said.

350 Dianna  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:40:20am

re: #319 Creeping Eruption

Worth reading?

I didn't think so.

351 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:40:33am

A proper haiku
Needs "emotion" and "season".
Fuck you, it's summer.

352 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:41:08am

re: #36 subsailor68

I think I need lawhawk here. Did the SC decide that the New Haven test results weren't in conflict with Title VII requirements, whereas Judge Sotomayor and the panel believed there may have been? IIRC, New Haven didn't promote anyone, and threw out the test because they (via their attorneys) were afraid of a discrimination suit.

Personally, I'm really glad that the SC ruled for the firefighters, but maybe it's time for Congress to revisit some of the Civil Rights Act provisions?

The civil rights law, as written, says that nothing in it shall be read to require quotas, or to forbid the use of bona-fide occupational tests. But generations of liberal court rulings have, until now, had the cumulative effect of revoking that limitation.

Until this ruling, the law, as Ginsburg complains, had been that there were two provisions. First, you may not intentionally discriminate. Second, you must discriminate, by race, against the majority, if that's what it takes to make your quota.

Now, honest tests, tests suited to the job at hand, may be used. If you have a choice of valid tests, you need to use the one that gives more equal numbers. But if all valid tests give lopsided numbers, (and that is often the case), then you may nevertheless use a test.

It has, until now, been a tacit part of the court systems rolling revocation of the written text of the civil rights law, that any test counts as discriminatory if it gives unequal numbers. That's out the window now. A multiple choice test with factual questions that are directly linked to the job and that isn't rigged to tip the results against protected minorities [how exactly could that be done, as if anybody would want to?] now counts as fair, unless there's a better test (more valid) that gives more equal numbers.

353 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:41:21am

re: #331 Honorary Yooper

81F hot? You should've been here in Chicagoland last week. We saw temperatures from the low 90s to the high 90s. Did I mention dew points in the middle 70s, with one day having a dew point of 78F?

We're finally back down to a comfortable 80F today.

Anything approaching 80 makes me exceedingly grumpy, especially if there is no slight breeze (as we had today) and even more so when its humid.
Anything above 80 - well, I just spend the whole time under a shower ... I really dislike excessive temperatures - in both directions.
And Border Collies with their black, thick fur do get overheated very easily as well. We're much happier in our maritime climate!

354 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:42:16am

re: #254 realwest

Actually, Sotomayor wasn't part of the linked case. Justices Jacobs, Cabranes, and Vitaliano ruled.

355 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:42:33am

re: #341 Killgore Trout

It's interesting that we are mostly seeing body shots. They aren't just accidentally winging people in the arms or legs from random fire. The are aiming.

Here is a protester who got hit in the head.

356 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:42:40am

Lizards on a rock.
An ugly troll stumps by. Swat!
Got him with the tail.

357 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:43:07am

re: #346 MrSilverDragon

This is a haiku.
It is a very boring one.
I've wasted your time!

Do not dis my poem
you just do not get haiku
that's not very zen.

358 Silvergirl  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:44:44am

Good afternoon Lizards.

I'm dropping in for a few minutes on a busy day for a sanity break. I peeked at the MSM and saw:

Al Sharpton Speaks Outside Jackson Family Home: Watch Live (Fox)
What sane person would put themselves through that?

Is 150 years in prison a fair sentence for Bernard Madoff? Yes or No? (CNN)
Do they think they're going to get more than 10% of the populace to vote no? How nuts do they think we are?

Iran Says Partial Recount Shows Election Valid (ABC)
Of course they're saying that.

359 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:45:35am

re: #357 DaddyG

Do not dis my poem
you just do not get haiku
that's not very zen.

I was referring
to my boring haiku there.
Yours was rather good!

360 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:46:08am

Do not get Haiku.
My fingers I must count on.
This sucks the big one.

361 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:46:38am

re: #358 Silvergirl

Iran Says Partial Recount Shows Election Valid (ABC)
Of course they're saying that.

They're using Democrat logic.

If and only if your candidate wins is the [re]count valid.

362 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:46:41am

re: #352 lostlakehiker

It has, until now, been a tacit part of the court systems rolling revocation of the written text of the civil rights law, that any test counts as discriminatory if it gives unequal numbers. That's out the window now. A multiple choice test with factual questions that are directly linked to the job and that isn't rigged to tip the results against protected minorities [how exactly could that be done, as if anybody would want to?] now counts as fair, unless there's a better test (more valid) that gives more equal numbers.


I don't know if this is your definition or a legal one, but I find it interesting that "better test" = "more equal numbers".

There appears to be an assumption in there that "better test" doesn't have anything to do with measuring fitness for a job, rather equal racial outcomes.

363 yma o hyd  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:47:01am

Haiku or not - gotta go!

364 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:47:33am

David Carradine
Farrah Fawcett
Michael Jackson
Billy Mays

What's the connection?

And why would Cheney want them dead?

365 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:47:39am

OT - this sounds like a bad horror movie: Killer Bikini Wax!

[Link: health.msn.com...]

366 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:47:50am

Four young boys at home
No more school for the summer
My house is a pit

Hey, it's easier than having to make it scan...

367 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:48:02am

re: #363 yma o hyd
Bless you!
Go in peace!

368 John Neverbend  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:48:27am

re: #230 Nevergiveup

It will be a curve ball. He always throws curve ball. Oh unless there was an Israeli batter up, then it would be a the #1 high and hard.

This goes some way to explaining why Kevin Youkilis seems to attract pitches to his head.

369 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:48:29am
370 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:48:42am

Your haiku is strong
Like Godzilla it is big
Tokyo look out

371 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:48:57am

the sun shines hot
clouds roll thunder booms
summer storms rain

did I get it right? Sometimes have trouble with syllables

372 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:49:11am

re: #364 Ben Hur

David Carradine
Farrah Fawcett
Michael Jackson
Billy Mays

What's the connection?

And why would Cheney want them dead?

I'm sure Oliver Stone could come up with a ridiculous theory and sell it as a movie. And the sad part is people would go see it. :/

373 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:49:45am

HAIKU!

Gezundheidt!

374 Eowyn2  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:49:52am

I'm more surprised by the 1st ruling than the 2nd.

Had 9/11 families been allowed to sue the Saudi gvmt for monies distributed to a terrorist organization, it would set an upsetting precedent.

The people of Israel could sue the US gvmt for the Hamas and Hezbollah terror attacks as there were numerous Hamas and Hezbollah 'charity' foundations.

China could be sued by Tibetan Monks.
Iraq, Afghanistan, the whole of Europe could sue the US for actions present and past because US individuals sending money to different political or religious sects.

375 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:50:10am

re: #365 Mad Al-Jaffee

OT - this sounds like a bad horror movie: Killer Bikini Wax!

[Link: health.msn.com...]

10000000000% worth the risk.

376 subsailor68  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:50:32am

re: #371 BlueCanuck

the sun shines hot
clouds roll thunder booms
summer storms rain

did I get it right? Sometimes have trouble with syllables

Don't ask me my friend.
It sounds like you did it right,
But what do I know?

377 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:50:33am

re: #364 Ben Hur

David Carradine
Farrah Fawcett
Michael Jackson
Billy Mays

What's the connection?

And why would Cheney want them dead?

They were all about to go public on the real 9/11!

378 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:51:07am

re: #361 JamesTKirk

They're using Democrat logic.

If and only if your candidate wins is the [re]count valid.

A moonbat I routinely torment pulled out the Bush/Gore 2000 card when I asked its position on the Iranian elections.

/oh boy...

379 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:51:20am

re: #377 JohnnyReb

They were all about to go public on the real 9/11!

AND they have Obama's REAL birth certificate!

Ed McMahnon had a copy.

380 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:52:08am

re: #364 Ben Hur

David Carradine
Farrah Fawcett
Michael Jackson
Billy Mays

What's the connection?

And why would Cheney want them dead?

With the recent economy the price of midiclorians has skyrocketed. Those among us with the highest counts are being silently culled. /

381 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:52:11am

Feeling quite sleepy.
I think I need a long nap.
Can't leave work quite yet.

382 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:52:18am

re: #364 Ben Hur

David Carradine
Farrah Fawcett
Michael Jackson
Billy Mays

What's the connection?

And why would Cheney want them dead?

Billy Mays was trying to sell a new Kung Fu movie starring Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcet?

383 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:52:36am

re: #365 Mad Al-Jaffee

OT - this sounds like a bad horror movie: Killer Bikini Wax!

[Link: health.msn.com...]

Don't ban the Brazilian!

384 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:53:04am

Iran gov't run press reporting:

'US forces attempt to hijack Iranian oil field'

American forces have attempted to take over an Iranian oil field near the country's western border with Iraq, a security official says.

“US forces backed by tanks entered the Mousian area of the Dehloran County, laying around 100 meters of pipeline in Iranian territory," the source, talking on condition of anonymity, said Monday.

The source added that the pipes, marked with Iraqi flags, were blocked after Iranian forces pushed the “intruders” back across the border.

Iraqi officials have been notified of Iran's objection to American movements along the common border, according to the source.

Like someone is really gonna believe that. LOL

385 iceweasel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:54:16am

re: #383 Creeping Eruption

Don't ban the Brazilian!

OK...THAT was funny.

386 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:54:37am

re: #383 Creeping Eruption

Don't ban the Brazilian!

Ban?

THere should be a Constitutional Amendment compelling it!

387 DaddyG  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:54:59am

re: #365 Mad Al-Jaffee

OT - this sounds like a bad horror movie: Killer Bikini Wax!

[Link: health.msn.com...]

Oh great! Another anti Bush thread. /

388 Lynn B.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:55:04am

re: #301 Walter L. Newton

You missed Anathem.

And Zodiak and The Big U. But I don't think he really hit his stride until Snowcrash.

389 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:55:59am

re: #386 Ben Hur

Ban?

THere should be a Constitutional Amendment compelling it!

Mine was more a public service message, but I am willing to go with a Constitutional Amendment.

390 Silvergirl  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:56:13am

minus two thousand
he weathered slings and arrows
all hail avanti

391 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:56:15am

re: #384 NJDhockeyfan

Wait a moment? Obama's going after Iran's oil? The conspiracy to get Arab/Persian oil is even deeper than that of the Bushitleralliburton RoveCheney Co. ////////

392 BatGuano  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:56:21am

Does anyone know if a scotus nominee has been overturned by the Supreme Court while awaiting confirmation?

393 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:56:53am

It only hits one in a million
That disease you catch from a Brazilian
   The simple facts:
   Men don't care if you wax
After you've each drank a six pack of Killian's.

394 Silvergirl  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:57:21am

re: #392 BatGuano

Does anyone know if a scotus nominee has been overturned by the Supreme Court while awaiting confirmation?

Interesting question. Let's get an answer.

395 tradewind  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:58:54am

Good for them in Ricci but I don't understand the wording re ' outrage ' in the Saudi case: while I have no more love for ' our friends the Saudis *' /spit/ than any other thinking American, the law is clear...... and the SCOTUS' job is not to make new law, it is to interpret existing law as to its constitutionality and validity.

396 iceweasel  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:58:57am

re: #393 JamesTKirk

It only hits one in a million
That disease you catch from a Brazilian
   The simple facts:
   Men don't care if you wax
After you've each drank a six pack of Killian's.

After he's drunk a sixpack of Killian's I don't want him anywhere near me. Just sayin'.

/Killian's kills, folks. That is all.

397 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:00:04pm

I keep thinking Ricci has something to do with the actress, Christina.

398 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:00:47pm

And now, on that note
It's time for me to go home
Errm, something something

399 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:01:08pm

re: #397 Mad Al-Jaffee

I keep thinking Ricci has something to do with the actress, Christina.

And how does a Brazilian fit into this scenario?

400 Eowyn2  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:02:10pm

re: #384 NJDhockeyfan

Iran gov't run press reporting:

'US forces attempt to hijack Iranian oil field'


Like someone is really gonna believe that. LOL

How to regain control of your country
Must have full police crackdown to get rid of the 'invaders'

401 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:02:18pm

re: #399 JamesTKirk

Have you seen Black Snake Moan

402 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:02:35pm

re: #399 JamesTKirk

And how does a Brazilian fit into this scenario?

A Brazilian fits into any scenario, no?

403 tradewind  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:03:32pm

re: #393 JamesTKirk
Good job.
Change that last line to ' after downing a six pack of Killian ' and you've got a limerick.
(cadence )

404 SFGoth  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:04:51pm

re: #33 DisturbedEma

At what point are we going to consider, as a nation, the idea that if we offer such blanket immunity, that instead of the occasional diplomat's vehicular homicide, we are now treating 9-11 like a perk- you can slaughter as many of us as you want. . .indirectly. . .and still have our leaders bowing to you. . .

The fact that we can't sue them doesn't mean we can't bomb them. If Saudi Arabia is in fact partially complicit, it should be bombed. Suing it in court is simply the Clinton/Obama approach. It's not like FDR stood up to Japan and Germany with jury trials....

405 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:04:55pm

re: #401 Mad Al-Jaffee

Have you seen Black Snake Moan

Most definitely.

406 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:11:40pm

re: #404 SFGoth

The fact that we can't sue them doesn't mean we can't bomb them. If Saudi Arabia is in fact partially complicit, it should be bombed. Suing it in court is simply the Clinton/Obama approach. It's not like FDR stood up to Japan and Germany with jury trials....

Better to take over the oil fields at least until damages have been paid from the proceeds.

407 CEQAttorney  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:12:35pm

While I do not like the result of the Supreme Court's decision regarding Saudi Arabia, I think it is the legally correct decision.

As far as I can tell, there is no indication that the Saudi Royal family has given up their sovereign immunity.

Also, quite bluntly, it would be difficult to prove a connection between Al Queda and the Saudis. While we know it exists, proving it is more difficult.

This is why terrorists should never be tried in a legal court because there is a level of proof necessary to get the case resolved.

408 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:17:02pm

re: #407 CEQAttorney

While I do not like the result of the Supreme Court's decision regarding Saudi Arabia, I think it is the legally correct decision.

As far as I can tell, there is no indication that the Saudi Royal family has given up their sovereign immunity.

Also, quite bluntly, it would be difficult to prove a connection between Al Queda and the Saudis. While we know it exists, proving it is more difficult.

This is why terrorists should never be tried in a legal court because there is a level of proof necessary to get the case resolved.

Thought Sovereign Immunity was reserved to the US, no?

409 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:19:44pm
410 SFGoth  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:29:57pm

re: #254 realwest

So judge Sotomayor was involved in both of the cases Charles chose to use for this thread. Interesting.

Well, they happened to be 2 of the last 3 and were announced today, so it's hardly as if *he* chose them for any other reason.

411 voirdire  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:30:35pm

Looks like status quo will continue in the court. The majority rejects the lower court's analysis. The minority doesn't see the lower courts result as off the wall. Since Sotomayer replaces Souter, the end game's the same.

412 SFGoth  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:30:36pm

By the way, CEQA sucks donkey richard.

413 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:33:39pm
“Petitioners were denied promotions for which they qualified because of the race and ethnicity of the firefighters who achieved the highest scores on the City’s exam. The District Court threw out their case on summary judgment, even though that court all but conceded that a jury could find that the City’s asserted justification was pretextual. The Court of Appeals then summarily affirmed that decision. The dissent grants that petitioners’ situation is “unfortunate” and that they “understandably attract this Court’s sympathy.” Post, at 1, 39. But “sympathy” is not what petitioners have a right to demand. What they have a right to demand is evenhanded enforcement of the law—of Title VII’s prohibition against discrimination based on race. And that is what, until today’s decision, has been denied them.”
- Justice Alito

IMO the Supreme Court slapped her down nicely, without naming the nominee.
Sotomayor clearly thought it was just fine to discriminate based on race, and she herself is therefore tainted with racism.

414 debutaunt  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:36:23pm

re: #364 Ben Hur

David Carradine
Farrah Fawcett
Michael Jackson
Billy Mays

What's the connection?

And why would Cheney want them dead?

Gale Storm and Ed McMahon only confused the issue.

415 voirdire  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:36:55pm

re: #413 Spare O'Lake

IMO the Supreme Court slapped her down nicely, without naming the nominee.
Sotomayor clearly thought it was just fine to discriminate based on race, and she herself is therefore tainted with racism.

Alito's opinion is his, not the court's. Notice the chief justice didn't join in the concurrence.

416 SFGoth  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:39:48pm

re: #415 voirdire

Alito's opinion is his, not the court's. Notice the chief justice didn't join in the concurrence.

Concurring opinions can take on a life all their own.

417 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:49:04pm

re: #415 voirdire

Alito's opinion is his, not the court's. Notice the chief justice didn't join in the concurrence.

Alito said it best in concurrence, but the opinion of the Court, written by Kennedy, was to the same effect:

"The problem, of course, is that after the tests were completed, the raw racial results became the predominant rationale for the City’s refusal to certify the results."
418 Lynn B.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:56:14pm

re: #408 Creeping Eruption

Thought Sovereign Immunity was reserved to the US, no?

No.

The Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act.

419 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:01:05pm

re: #418 Lynn B.

No.

The Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act.

Well, there you go then. The Saudis still suck though.

420 SixDegrees  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:19:59pm

re: #364 Ben Hur

David Carradine
Farrah Fawcett
Michael Jackson
Billy Mays

What's the connection?

And why would Cheney want them dead?

Don't forget Ed McMahon.

421 clgood  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:51:33pm

Think about barking moonbats using US courts to sue, say, Israel. Does the decision still seem wrong?

I'm all for doing something about (and/or to) our friends, the Saudis. But the Supremes got this one right.

Great timing for their ruling on the Wise Latina, too.

422 Lynn B.  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:06:38pm

re: #160 opnion

He bowed to the Saudi King. He didn't drop a contact He wasn't checking out his shoes, he bowed. He actually seems to like the House of Saud.

Presidents Bush liked them too, it seems.

Unfortunate.

423 dhg4  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:18:40pm

re: #31 Kosh's Shadow

Sovereign immunity is a generally accepted principle that leaders of a country cannot be sued in another country. Well, it is accepted unless the leaders are Israeli.

It would be up to the government to decide some other form of punishment, including blocking donations to Wahabi mosques, in the US, etc.

There is a law allowing for:

(a) Action and Jurisdiction. - Any national of the United States injured in his or her person, property, or business by reason of an act of international terrorism, or his or her estate, survivors, or heirs, may sue therefor in any appropriate district court of the United States and shall recover threefold the damages he or she sustains and the cost of the suit, including attorney's fees.

This is why in the www.cdi.org...]>Ungar case

424 dhg4  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:22:07pm

re: #31 Kosh's Shadow

Sovereign immunity is a generally accepted principle that leaders of a country cannot be sued in another country. Well, it is accepted unless the leaders are Israeli.

It would be up to the government to decide some other form of punishment, including blocking donations to Wahabi mosques, in the US, etc.

There is a law allowing for:

(a) Action and Jurisdiction. - Any national of the United States injured in his or her person, property, or business by reason of an act of international terrorism, or his or her estate, survivors, or heirs, may sue therefor in any appropriate district court of the United States and shall recover threefold the damages he or she sustains and the cost of the suit, including attorney's fees.

This is why in the Ungar case hinged on declaring that the PA was not sovereign.

The PA’s and PLO’s first objection is that this Court lacks subject matter jurisdiction over the Amended Complaint due to the existence of non-justiciable political questions and the sovereign immunity provided in Section 2604 of the FSIA and 4 Section 2337(2) of the ATA . Objections, at para. 1. The PA and 5 PLO raised and this Court rejected the same arguments in Ungar II and Ungar IV and does so again now. For the reasons set forth in those opinions, this writer reiterates that the Amended Complaint does not present any non-justiciable political questions and neither the PA, the PLO, nor the entity called Palestine is or represents a foreign State and therefore, is not entitled to sovereign immunity. See Ungar IV, 315 F. Supp. 2d at 174-187; Ungar II, 228 F. Supp. 2d at 44-49. Therefore, the PA’s and PLO’s first objection to the Report and Recommendation is overruled.

425 jackflash  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 3:30:03pm

I suspect it's a good thing we don't allow folks to sue foreign officials in our courts. Imagine if we didn't have these agreements - our own officials would spend all of their time defending themselves in foreign courts, and probably losing. If the judgments are enforceable, imagine how many $millions will have to be raised through taxes to pay them off. Bad idea.

426 mattm  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:09:37pm

re: #6 Wyatt Earp

Great news for the New Haven firefighters. The promotional denials were chock full of racism. Maybe now, hard work can count for something.

The Unions will take care of that pesky issue ASAP.

427 FrogMarch  Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:12:31am

re: #84 lawhawk

Yes. And how dare they study hard and pass a test.

428 bombarafat  Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:27:23am
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