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An age is called Dark not because the light fails to shine, but because people refuse to see it.
— James A. Michener
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Kronocide Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:23:38pm |
Please, for once and all, keep this one on topic. Thank you.
how many new lizards on the stealth registration?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:24:55pm |
Off to bed with me. See you all in the morning.
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gmsc Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:25:51pm |
re: #2 BigPapa
Please, for once and all, keep this one on topic. Thank you.
how many new lizards on the stealth registration?
How do you keep an open thread on topic?
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:26:06pm |
re: #2 BigPapa
Topic? You wants on topic? BAH! Does this LOOK like your blog?
Rotsa ruck with that!
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Hola Honcos! How are y’all tonight?
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:26:35pm |
re: #3 Dark_Falcon
Fly into the sleepyness & enjoy!
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:27:09pm |
GMSC, well it open. So it’s your turn?
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gmsc Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:27:15pm |
re: #5 Floral Giraffe
Topic? You wants on topic? BAH! Does this LOOK like your blog?
Rotsa ruck with that!
////////////////////////////Hola Honcos! How are y’all tonight?
Doing well! I achieved the project I set out for myself first thing this morning.
:)
How are you, oh lizard of the long neck?
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:28:16pm |
OK. If I keep posting, and no one replies, does that mean I OWN this thread?
Or, I’m just another looser on the intertube highway…………
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gmsc Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:29:56pm |
re: #10 Floral Giraffe
OK. If I keep posting, and no one replies, does that mean I OWN this thread?
Or, I’m just another looser on the intertube highway…………
I’m responding … so I’m no one?
;)
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:29:56pm |
Something is funny. I’m trying to post a spinoff link but when I click the arrow, nothing happens. No field appears.
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Kronocide Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:30:37pm |
re: #4 gmsc
How do you keep an open thread on topic?
Itza yoke, as in, funny, like I’m some kinda clown, like I’m here to amuse you or somethin.
I think I’ll pour a snifter of Porfidio and see what evolves….
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:33:05pm |
“A day without sunshine is like… night”
-Steve Martin
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:36:27pm |
re: #10 Floral Giraffe
OK. If I keep posting, and no one replies, does that mean I OWN this thread?
Or, I’m just another looser on the intertube highway…………
I think it means that … .
Now I can’t remember the joke. :(
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:37:31pm |
re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So, you’re in the dark?
Or the light?
Enquiring minds want to know!
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:37:53pm |
something about a a man being wrong.
If a man yells in the forest and his wife doesn’t hear him is he still wrong?
That’s not right. :(
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:38:01pm |
re: #16 ggt
It was a good try, though……
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:38:05pm |
re: #17 Floral Giraffe
So, you’re in the dark?
Or the light?
Enquiring minds want to know!
I’m in the dusk.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:38:18pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:38:20pm |
re: #17 Floral Giraffe
“Darker than the inside of a cow.”
-John Hartford
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:38:39pm |
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Kronocide Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:38:56pm |
I watched The Wrestler tonight. Very good movie, but not very uplifting or happy. Need some LGF, i can has kitteh, and some background sitcom to get the mojo back.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:39:24pm |
re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And which part of the cow are you inside?
Do we REALLY want to know?
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:39:26pm |
outside of a dog, a book is man’s best friend.
inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read.,
source?
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:40:15pm |
re: #24 BigPapa
Well, we can to the LGF part.
the kitteh & mojo, though………….
;)
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gmsc Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:40:35pm |
re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
“Darker than the inside of a cow.”
-John Hartford
“Outside a dog, a book is your best friend. Inside a dog, it’s too dark to read.”
-Groucho Marx
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:40:44pm |
re: #24 BigPapa
I wonder if there is an official “LGF Background Sitcom Kitteh”.
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Kronocide Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:40:54pm |
I was watching The Dark Knight the other night, and a thought occurred to me: why hasn’t Harvey Keitel ever played a villian? What’s he doing nowadays?
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:41:25pm |
re: #29 gmsc
“Outside a dog, a book is your best friend. Inside a dog, it’s too dark to read.”
-Groucho Marx
Thank you.
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Kronocide Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:41:31pm |
re: #26 ggt
I think that was Twain. Sounds Twainian, anyway.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:41:38pm |
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:42:29pm |
re: #31 ggt
I don’t think dogs can be wrong.
This was a response to you, Floral, but I messed-up. Maybe means I am too tired to post?
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gmsc Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:42:33pm |
re: #34 ggt
Thank you.
You’re welcome. I didn’t even see your post when I sent that, funnily enough.
GMTA!
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:42:51pm |
OK, I’m bringing out the big guns.
It’s your own fault….
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:44:01pm |
re: #32 BigPapa
Depend on what you mean by Villain.
He’s not a nice guy in the Piano, not a nice guy in Pulp Fiction, not a nice guy in Reservoir Dogs, not a nice guy in… oh what was that movie where he played a “cleaner (other than pulp fiction?)… Brigette Fonda movie?… uh… point of no return?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:45:12pm |
re: #40 Floral Giraffe
Gamera is really neat
He is filled with Turtle meat
We all love you Gamera!
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:45:25pm |
On the way back from the Shores of Superior today, we passed the Little Bohemia Lodge. Then we heard all about the new Dillinger movie with Johnny Dep—they talked about Little Bohemia.
Eerie!
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gmsc Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:46:44pm |
Last night, after fruitcup but before I went off to bed, I set myself the task of finally putting together an effective site search. I spent most of the day trying various approaches and failing.
However, I finally got it working like I wanted, mentalgym.freehostia.com...]>mentalgym.freehostia.com…]>and here it is
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:47:16pm |
re: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He played the Debbil in “Little Nicky”, IIRC.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:50:39pm |
Good night, late night Lizards.
See you soon!
Play nice & listen to GMSC, he’s smart, or works really hard, either way it’s WORTHY!
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gmsc Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:53:20pm |
re: #46 Floral Giraffe
Good night, late night Lizards.
See you soon!
Play nice & listen to GMSC, he’s smart, or works really hard, either way it’s WORTHY!
G’Nite - and thanks for the plug!
:)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:54:18pm |
Just woke up. For absolutely no apparent reason. Why did I just wake up?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:55:20pm |
I want nighty-night time! Waaaah!
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axegrinder Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:57:10pm |
re: #32 BigPapa
I was watching The Dark Knight the other night, and a thought occurred to me: why hasn’t Harvey Keitel ever played a villian? What’s he doing nowadays?
Taxi Driver. Peddled kiddie prostitutes. Got wasted spectacularly by DeNiro at the end.
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Kronocide Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:57:19pm |
…..world leaders from Barack Obama to Hugo Chavez demanded the return of a president ousted in a military coup.
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
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gmsc Mon, Jun 29, 2009 11:59:44pm |
Today’s “Today in History” post may not work right at the first try.
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Kronocide Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:00:21am |
re: #32 BigPapa
I was watching The Dark Knight the other night, and a thought occurred to me: why hasn’t Harvey Keitel ever played a villian? What’s he doing nowadays?
OK, I swear I’m on my first snifter…. I meant how come Harvey Keitel has never played a villian in a Batman movie
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:01:01am |
re: #5 Floral Giraffe
Topic? You wants on topic? BAH! Does this LOOK like your blog?
Rotsa ruck with that!
////////////////////////////Hola Honcos! How are y’all tonight?
i could use a stiff drink.
(or 3)
/same ol’ same ol’……. %-)
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gmsc Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:01:25am |
re: #61 redc1c4
i could use a stiff drink.
(or 3)
/same ol’ same ol’……. %-)
I think the hamsters are having one right now.
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gmsc Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:01:37am |
Highlights of this day in history: Adolf Hitler purges rivals in Nazi Germany; America’s food and drug safety take a big step forward; ‘Gone With the Wind’ published; Tonya Harding banned from figure skating; Singer Lena Horne born.
Other notable June 30th events include:
1805 – The U.S. Congress organizes the Michigan Territory.
1859 – French acrobat Charles Blondin crosses Niagara Falls on a tightrope.
1864 – U.S. President Abraham Lincoln grants Yosemite Valley to California for “public use, resort and recreation”.
1905 – Albert Einstein publishes the article “On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies”, in which he introduces special relativity.
1921 – U.S. President Warren G. Harding appoints former President William Howard Taft Chief Justice of the United States.
1953 – The first Chevrolet Corvette rolls off the assembly line in Flint, Michigan.
1971 – Ohio ratifies the 26th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, lowering the voting age to 18, thereby putting the amendment into effect.
2007 – A car crashes into Glasgow International Airport in Scotland, believed to be a terrorist attack.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:02:00am |
re: #48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Just woke up. For absolutely no apparent reason. Why did I just wake up?
poor diet…..
meat protien is essential for a good nights sleep.
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axegrinder Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:03:25am |
re: #59 BigPapa
OK, I swear I’m on my first snifter…. I meant how come Harvey Keitel has never played a villian in a Batman movie
Not a big enough star. They look for box office draw on blockbusters. He’s a great actor but relatively unknown. They want household names.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:05:33am |
re: #53 Iron Fist
He did play the cleaner in Point of No Return.
Wasn’t the nicest guy you’ve ever met.
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gmsc Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:06:47am |
re: #59 BigPapa
OK, I swear I’m on my first snifter…. I meant how come Harvey Keitel has never played a villian in a Batman movie
They said it couldn’t be done.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:08:35am |
re: #43 ggt
On the way back from the Shores of Superior today, we passed the Little Bohemia Lodge. Then we heard all about the new Dillinger movie with Johnny Dep—they talked about Little Bohemia.
Erie!
i thought you said you you were by Superior?
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Syrah Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:11:00am |
re: #12 eclectic infidel
It works for me.
Try a system shutdown/restart and try again if you still can’t post.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:11:06am |
re: #55 axegrinder
Jean Reno at 33 seconds into this……very cool vocal arrangement/video of Barber’s Adagio for Strings?
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axegrinder Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:14:27am |
re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Jean Reno at 33 seconds into this……very cool vocal arrangement/video of Barber’s Adagio for Strings?
Maybe. Just caught his profile, could be him. Never seen this movie.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:16:06am |
re: #81 axegrinder
Maybe. Just caught his profile, could be him. Never seen this movie.
First time I saw this… “Hey! Ain’t that the french guy from Godzilla!”
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Kronocide Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:16:48am |
re: #72 redc1c4
Shania?
I don’t want my body to be a distraction from my talent or my brain.
Shania Twain
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:17:09am |
re: #81 axegrinder
Maybe. Just caught his profile, could be him. Never seen this movie.
He always seems to get the “kind of scruffy, smelly French guy” roles.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:18:19am |
re: #83 BigPapa
I don’t want my body to be a distraction from my talent or my brain.
Shania Twain
talent? brain?…….
who knew?
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axegrinder Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:20:15am |
re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He always seems to get the “kind of scruffy, smelly French guy” roles.
Well, the beard makes him scruffy and he’s of African-French origins. Morocco I think.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:20:19am |
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:21:13am |
re: #74 redc1c4
i thought you said you you were by Superior?
Yes, originally, but we had to travel southward to get back to the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland. Vacation over :(
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:21:28am |
re: #82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
the question mark consistently eludes me.
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axegrinder Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:21:51am |
re: #89 Iron Fist
Don’t worry. I’m not going to let her brain or talent distract me from her body,
/Oh, wait…
Have you ever heard her talk? My God, I thought I was southern.
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gmsc Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:22:20am |
re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
the question mark consistently eludes me.
I’m guessing your real name isn’t Edward Nigma, then.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:22:56am |
re: #93 axegrinder
Have you ever heard her talk? My God, I thought I was southern.
Isn’t she originally from Canada?
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Karridine Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:23:08am |
2007 – A car crashes into Glasgow International Airport in Scotland, believed to be a terrorist attack.
Wasn’t that part of the
“I’m a Crispy Critter Clutzy Clod” Tour by Al Gayeda and the Old-Time Zealotz?
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:23:20am |
re: #94 gmsc
I’m guessing your real name isn’t Edward Nigma, then.
No, it’s CV, short for: Chubby Vegan.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:23:29am |
re: #93 axegrinder
She doesn’t talk much when she wakes up. Just leaves a little money on my nightstand and leaves the room.
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axegrinder Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:23:39am |
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:23:41am |
re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
the question mark consistently eludes me.
that’s because of it’s meaty shape…… %-)
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:24:46am |
re: #98 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
She doesn’t talk much when she wakes up. Just leaves a little money on my nightstand and leaves the room.
that’s what’s known as chump change…… she’s actually a post-op.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:25:24am |
My cat, BTW, was really happy when we got home. He was satisfied with his every-other-day caregiver while we were gone. He had water, food, open toilet seats and the caregiver even brushed him.
Now, he is p!ssed. He wants me to go to bed and turn out the lights.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:26:02am |
Perhaps we can create an LOL cat of Janet Reno to distract our Cat Overlords when they are angry with us.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:26:26am |
re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
…and my eyes are up here
hard to see through all the fat folds…………….
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:27:35am |
re: #106 ggt
Perhaps we can create an LOL cat of Janet Reno to distract our Cat Overlords when they are angry with us.
how about the famous pop eye picture of pelousy, and the caption: “You’re going to take my temperature where?”
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:28:03am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:30:08am |
I am going try to re-join the somnambulists.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:30:20am |
re: #108 redc1c4
how about the famous pop eye picture of pelousy, and the caption: “You’re going to take my temperature where?”
I think that would just invite retribution. Better to distract them with beastly tasties.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:30:33am |
prolly should hit the hay: it was a long, busy day, and i caused a huge ruckus at the meeting the local busybodies held tonight. they were expecting a nice quiet group of supporters, but the got a room full of pissed off people instead. they were not happy with me. %-)
besides, HRH is taking me to the Hollywood BOwl tomrrow to see Clapton & Winwood, so i’ll need all my energy for that…….
well, just a few more poasts.
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:31:08am |
re: #109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have seen people with fat foreheads. I’m not that fat.
That’s why I’m sexy.
only a cannibal would find you desirable. %-)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:31:25am |
re: #112 redc1c4
Rather see Winwood than Clapton. And I’d love to see Clapton. Lucky bastard!
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Kronocide Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:31:50am |
I feel sexy when I get out of the tub - your skin is fresh and you’ve put up your hair without looking.
Shania Twain
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:31:56am |
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axegrinder Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:32:13am |
re: #95 ggt
Yup, I must have been thinking about somebody else. No accent there.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:34:17am |
re: #117 axegrinder
Love the Emily Latella moments. Especially when they happen to other people.
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gmsc Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:39:52am |
re: #112 redc1c4
prolly should hit the hay: it was a long, busy day, and i caused a huge ruckus at the meeting the local busybodies held tonight. they were expecting a nice quiet group of supporters, but the got a room full of pissed off people instead. they were not happy with me. %-)
besides, HRH is taking me to the Hollywood BOwl tomrrow to see Clapton & Winwood, so i’ll need all my energy for that…….
well, just a few more poasts.
Sleep well, red.
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Kronocide Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:42:13am |
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry.
Frank Zappa
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redc1c4 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:42:38am |
re: #120 gmsc
…you taste funny?
/Sorry, someone had to finish it.
you pig: you could have left a snack for someone else…… %-)
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Kronocide Tue, Jun 30, 2009 12:47:49am |
When Communist U.S.S.R. was a superpower, the world was better off. The right-wing media is trying to marginalize the peace movement.
Janeane Garofalo
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gmsc Tue, Jun 30, 2009 1:02:51am |
I must’ve worked harder than I thought, because I’m more tired than I thought.
Good night, all!
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BignJames Tue, Jun 30, 2009 1:34:13am |
I posted this in the spinoffs.
And they accused the Bush Admin. of playing politics w/science.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 1:47:25am |
Hiya, late-nite people!
So it appears Michelle Bachmann will be appearing on Alex Jones’ show.
And that Pat Boone has joined the Army of the Nirthers.
This is probably old news here; if so, apologies!
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littleoldlady Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:00:06am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet —————————->
Help yourselves!
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:01:30am |
re: #131 axegrinder
Hi axe! What’s up?
hello, littleoldlady! I’ll get some fruitcup once I have some more vodka…
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axegrinder Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:01:45am |
Not much activity this morning. Thanks for the fruitcup.
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axegrinder Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:02:32am |
Watched that clip on alex jones. Who’s the kid in the baseball cap?
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Karridine Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:04:41am |
re: #131 axegrinder
Okay… I’m officially 14 hours ahead of you… so I’ll pick up MY fruitcup when it has sufficiently fermented, 14 hours from now…
Lil Olde! Howzit? Y’all be good?
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littleoldlady Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:05:04am |
‘Morning, iceweasel! :-) axegrinder! :-)
I’ll be back in a bit…talking to someone online (off LGF).
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:12:30am |
re: #135 axegrinder
Watched that clip on alex jones. Who’s the kid in the baseball cap?
Beats me. First time I ever saw a clip from the show. I don’t even know which is Alex Jones for sure. I assume the crazy ranter.
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Karridine Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:18:46am |
re: #138 littleoldlady
In light of our upcoming Fourth of July… “www.wiifu.me...]>www.wiifu.me…]>Red, White & Blue Superman
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freetoken Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:25:17am |
re: #129 BignJames
Yes, we noticed. And, I down-dinged it, and explained why in the comments.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:27:22am |
Good Morning LGF.
Tomorrow, July 1, is Canada Day - Happy Birthday, Canada!
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Karridine Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:27:46am |
re: #142 freetoken
Yet some people WONDER why honesty, integrity, forthrightness, truthfulness and trustworthiness should be part of our collective policy-making process!
Holy moley, People! LOOK…
/ah! that’s right, we live in an age of darkness… people don’t WANT to see
(FreeToken excluded…)
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freetoken Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:28:57am |
re: #130 iceweasel
Pat Boone has been a favorite of the WND crowd for some time. It grew out of, I suppose, his extensive involvement in Gospel music and his work on various Christian broadcasting networks.
As for Bachmann… it will be interesting to see if she goes through with it. Certainly she wouldn’t be the first politician to cozy up to Alex Jones. The Beck-Napolitano-Jones axis is waxing strongly over the strong right these days. Let us hope it passes quickly.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:29:30am |
re: #141 rightside
Good morning rightside how are you today?
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freetoken Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:29:56am |
re: #144 Karridine
Hey Karridine… I was thinking of you today…
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Karridine Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:31:45am |
re: #149 freetoken
PIMF “strong right” —- “far right”
Right outta the ball-park right… over the right fence right… right over there, right?
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:32:10am |
re: #145 freetoken
Pat Boone has been a favorite of the WND crowd for some time. It grew out of, I suppose, his extensive involvement in Gospel music and his work on various Christian broadcasting networks.
As for Bachmann… it will be interesting to see if she goes through with it. Certainly she wouldn’t be the first politician to cozy up to Alex Jones. The Beck-Napolitano-Jones axis is waxing strongly over the strong right these days. Let us hope it passes quickly.
I know Pat Boone was writing crazy columns for the wingnut-o-sphere; I know I’ve run across some before, sometime last year.h
Do you mean to have Napolitano in that axis? certainly she’s been a disapointment, with her continued backpedalling and apologising for the DHS report.
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freetoken Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:32:47am |
re: #148 Karridine
Ummm… I forget… perhaps I got you confused with the other Carridine…
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:33:18am |
re: #149 freetoken
PIMF “strong right” —- “far right”
Hee. We should start calling them wrong-wing extremists.
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freetoken Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:34:47am |
re: #151 iceweasel
I mean “Judge Andrew Napolitano”, the friend of Ron Paul and host of a Fox web broadcast who shows up on the regular broadcasts, such as with Beck, etc.
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Karridine Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:35:05am |
Well, Free, I’m STILL ALIVE in Bangkok
That’s a YouTUBE clip, very short, if I knew how to make it appear HERE, twould be the better….
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:35:55am |
re: #154 freetoken
I mean “Judge Andrew Napolitano”, the friend of Ron Paul and host of a Fox web broadcast who shows up on the regular broadcasts, such as with Beck, etc.
OH! of course— sorry. I’ve tried to block that guy out of my consciousness. He’s scary
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BignJames Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:36:29am |
re: #142 freetoken
Yes, we noticed. And, I down-dinged it, and explained why in the comments.
We? Got a mouse in your pocket?
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freetoken Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:37:14am |
re: #155 Karridine
Ok, now I remember. Starting a few days ago we started to get a strong southerly flow of air here (in San Diego county) and the humidity shot way up. Felt tropical… reminded me of my visit to Bangkok… and thought of you and all the lovely young Thai women there, lounging on the beach…
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haakondahl Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:43:58am |
re: #130 iceweasel
Hiya, late-nite people!
So it appears Michelle Bachmann will be appearing on Alex Jones’ show.
And that Pat Boone has joined the Army of the Nirthers.
This is probably old news here; if so, apologies!
That does it.
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Karridine Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:44:59am |
re: #159 freetoken
Oh.
Well, that’s a GREAT daydream to have lil old ME in, FreeToke… truth of the matter is we’ve had two days of pretty heavy downpours, and today’s overcast has kept the temp down even while humidity up!
My slightly-hot peppers have green-peppers as big as your index finger, so much rain!
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:48:32am |
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freetoken Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:51:30am |
re: #161 Karridine
Oh.
Well, that’s a GREAT daydream to have lil old ME in
The vision I had of you was sitting on the beach sipping an exotic concoction…, being attended by two Thai females robed only in leis made from orchid flowers…
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Karridine Tue, Jun 30, 2009 2:54:52am |
re: #163 freetoken
Wow! Been DECADES since THAT happened…
but, as consolation, (and because Professor Bennish was happening about this time a few years ago) for your Late Nite Enjoyment, “Bennish Pop Quiz”
(MP3… funny, SFW)
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 3:16:14am |
re: #158 rightside
Hey sox, doing great here, and you?
I’m still upright, there’s alot to be said for that. Sorry it took so long to get back, got tied up with something.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 3:22:32am |
re: #166 rightside
No worries, don’t go in til later
I wish I had somewhere to go to later. Job market here in MA is dead. Will most likely be moving back to TX or going over to the ME in a contractor job.
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rightside Tue, Jun 30, 2009 3:24:17am |
re: #167 soxfan4life
Oh damn! I am thankful I have a good one. Doing the same thing I did while I was in the Navy.
Good luck…I’ll be pulling for you.
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Karridine Tue, Jun 30, 2009 3:30:22am |
Lightning storm coming in… I cannot take a hit to the grid…
Spike wiped TWO hard-disks last time THAT happened
BBIAW from rainy Bangkok
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Ateam Tue, Jun 30, 2009 3:45:08am |
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rightside Tue, Jun 30, 2009 3:49:41am |
re: #170 Ateam
I retired from the Navy in early ‘04, and now reside in VA.
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Ateam Tue, Jun 30, 2009 3:55:54am |
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rightside Tue, Jun 30, 2009 3:57:54am |
re: #172 Ateam
Yes, pretty much. Missed Africa and the poles… every other continent though.
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3 wood Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:12:03am |
Good morning.
The futures are indicating a market opening on the upside this morning.
But expect light trading this week, could be some selling but very little buying. Mostly, fund managers are tidying up their portfolios for the 2nd Q reports.
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rightside Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:13:31am |
re: #174 3 wood
Morning 3 wood. Did you catch axelrod not denying that taxes would have to be raised to fund obamacare?
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right_wing2 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:17:34am |
I thought only the evil, greedy rich would have to pay higher taxes
Of course, higher costs for energy, food and everything else because of higher business taxes don’t count.
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right_wing2 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:19:00am |
From the ‘not surprising’ files:
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:19:10am |
Here’s a little something for you to chew on this fine morning. A tax calculator for cap and trade. Kind of blows the 0bama figures out of the water.
[Link: www.taxfoundation.org…]
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:20:16am |
re: #168 rightside
Oh damn! I am thankful I have a good one. Doing the same thing I did while I was in the Navy.
Good luck…I’ll be pulling for you.
I’m trying to get a job on Hood doing what I did in the Army, if not it could be 1 or 2 years with KBR.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:23:05am |
re: #177 right_wing2
From the ‘not surprising’ files:
Best part of the “recount” is that they claim it shows Big Brother won by even more of a landslide.
Uh…yeah. Right.
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Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:23:22am |
Morning Lizardim,
you know you spend too much time on the internet when you’re looking for your slippers in the morning, find one, turn the whole house upside down, turn to your cat and say “did you eated it?”
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3 wood Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:23:22am |
re: #175 rightside
Morning 3 wood. Did you catch axelrod not denying that taxes would have to be raised to fund obamacare?
I heard about it. These people are shameless, but they get away with it cause the worshippers in the MSM and elsewhere accept crap like that and then attack those who question what is going on.
By the way I had a chance to look over the Cap and Trade a bit.
Get ready to become like Europe. Electricity will skyrocket (Obama’s words, not mine) same for gasoline and other fuels. The will add to the already existing inflation problem that is being created by Obama and his minions.
Also, if you go to sell you house, I believe you will have to bring it up to Federal code for energy efficiency, which some people will not be able to afford to do.
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3 wood Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:25:08am |
re: #178 soxfan4life
Here’s a little something for you to chew on this fine morning. A tax calculator for cap and trade. Kind of blows the 0bama figures out of the water.
They will just ignore it.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:25:48am |
re: #183 Mithrax
Morning Lizardim,
you know you spend too much time on the internet when you’re looking for your slippers in the morning, find one, turn the whole house upside down, turn to your cat and say “did you eated it?”
So long as you don’t immediately take a picture, make a LOLcat, upload it to your Flickr and tweet about it, I think you’re still good. :)
S’up, Mithrax?
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Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:27:29am |
re: #186 iceweasel
S’up, Mithrax?
Apparently I am, Oh weaselly one!
Been up since about 5:30. Hate it when I can’t sleep. But the week o holidays start tomorrow
yourself?
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:29:19am |
re: #185 3 wood
They will just ignore it.
I know that they will cause alot of damage before they are done, but part of me wants to let them take all the rope they want, and whenever a liberal Democrat runs again their opponent can bring up this disaster and almost assure themself a victory. The trick will be to keep the remaining pols as fiscal conservatives and not let them become out of control like they did under President Bush.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:30:10am |
re: #187 Mithrax
S’up, Mithrax?
Apparently I am, Oh weaselly one!
Been up since about 5:30. Hate it when I can’t sleep. But the week o holidays start tomorrow
yourself?
Not much going on here….I notice that Minneapolis-St Paul’s StarTribune’s OpEd page points out a delicious irony in re: Michelle Bachmann….her fearmongering about the census may cost her her own seat:
The 2010 census will likely determine whether Minnesota loses one of its eight U.S. House seats; population determines seat allocation. Political experts agree that a few thousand people not filling out census forms may be all it takes for the state to lose a congressional advocate in the nation’s capital. If Minnesota were to lose a congressional seat, Bachmann’s district appears to be candidate for absorption. Bachmann has been careful to say that she’s willing to tell the census how many people live in her household, the basic information that will determine whether Minnesota keeps a congressional seat. But that’s a message that’s easily lost in her fear-mongering; Beck didn’t help when he pantomimed flushing census documents down the toilet.
Heh.
[Link: www.startribune.com…]
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:31:07am |
re: #178 soxfan4life
Here’s a little something for you to chew on this fine morning. A tax calculator for cap and trade. Kind of blows the 0bama figures out of the water.
[Link: www.taxfoundation.org…]
Meaning whatever your “total annual cost” is how much more we’re going to be spending per year?
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:33:18am |
re: #184 3 wood
I heard about it. These people are shameless, but they get away with it cause the worshippers in the MSM and elsewhere accept crap like that and then attack those who question what is going on.
By the way I had a chance to look over the Cap and Trade a bit.
Get ready to become like Europe. Electricity will skyrocket (Obama’s words, not mine) same for gasoline and other fuels. The will add to the already existing inflation problem that is being created by Obama and his minions.
Also, if you go to sell you house, I believe you will have to bring it up to Federal code for energy efficiency, which some people will not be able to afford to do.
Someone needs to challenge this in court. Ownership of real property is one of the bedrocks of America.
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rightside Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:34:00am |
re: #184 3 wood
But but but but….I thought he promised not to raise taxes on working families making less than $250,000? Not one dime!
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:34:19am |
re: #188 right_wing2
Who knew ACORN was in Iran?
But ACORN doesn’t count votes. They were involved in voter registration fraud— not voter fraud.
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3 wood Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:34:43am |
ObamaMotors does not think it needs help in learning how to build better cars:
G.M. Exits Venture With Toyota
DETROIT — General Motors said Monday that it was pulling out of its joint venture with Toyota, a longstanding partnership between two of the auto industry’s biggest rivals that exposed G.M. to more efficient Japanese manufacturing techniques and produced Toyota’s first American-made vehicles.
Get this:
When Nummi was formed, Toyota was a comparatively small but rapidly growing player in the United States while G.M. had a firm grip on its title as the world’s largest automaker. Toyota unseated G.M. at the industry’s pinnacle last year, aided by what it learned from Nummi.
G.M., meanwhile, was a slow learner and only recently began successfully applying the techniques it gained from working with Toyota
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:34:46am |
re: #191 TheMatrix31
Meaning whatever your “total annual cost” is how much more we’re going to be spending per year?
That’s right, although he promised us he would not raise taxes on anyone making under 250,000 year, apparently he meant pennies not dollars.
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3 wood Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:36:30am |
re: #189 soxfan4life
I know that they will cause alot of damage before they are done, but part of me wants to let them take all the rope they want, and whenever a liberal Democrat runs again their opponent can bring up this disaster and almost assure themself a victory.
Plus, you can bring this up with the Obama worshippers that you see around here.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:36:53am |
re: #193 rightside
But but but but….I thought he promised not to raise taxes on working families making less than $250,000? Not one dime!
But he inherited a bigger mess than even he thought.*spit*
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Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:37:17am |
re: #196 soxfan4life
That’s right, although he promised us he would not raise taxes on anyone making under 250,000 year, apparently he meant pennies not dollars.
Well, maybe he meant Francs :P
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:37:52am |
Here in Florida, voters voted yes on a tobakkie tax to raise money for kiddie health care. The dirty little secret is that they raised all “user fees”
including fishing liscenses, tags for your car, speeding tickets, anything and everything. I was against the tobakkie tax and it passed. But now all that voted for it are seeing they will be on the hook for revenue as well, well they ain’t happy. I guess I am stupid, but if it is so important to tax one group of consumers ” for the children” shouldn’t we all pay? Now we are. And when I ask non smokers that question, I usually get a blank stare. Heh.
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right_wing2 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:38:13am |
re: #193 rightside
The Chosen One will claim that since it’s not going directly to Uncle Sam (Uncle Barack?) it’s not a tax.
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3 wood Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:38:42am |
re: #193 rightside
But but but but….I thought he promised not to raise taxes on working families making less than $250,000? Not one dime!
Well, he lied, and so did all his supporters who repeated that canard over and over again.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:39:32am |
re: #196 soxfan4life
That’s right, although he promised us he would not raise taxes on anyone making under 250,000 year, apparently he meant pennies not dollars.
Un-freakin-REAL. And this is using the numerical terms in the bill that the House passed?
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:40:33am |
re: #201 right_wing2
Would Uncle Barack be the creepy uncle no one ever talks about?
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:40:55am |
re: #191 TheMatrix31
Meaning whatever your “total annual cost” is how much more we’re going to be spending per year?
The Congressional Budget Office says the bill’s net impact on households in 2020 would be between a benefit of $40 per year and a cost of $340 per year, and “the net annual economywide cost of the cap-and-trade program in 2020 would be $22 billion — or about $175 per household.”
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:41:57am |
re: #203 TheMatrix31
Un-freakin-REAL. And this is using the numerical terms in the bill that the House passed?
And the same one he will be twisting arms to pass in the Senate. It really makes a sick feeling in my stomach knowing that we are counting on the Senate to help us.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:42:15am |
re: #205 iceweasel
The Congressional Budget Office says the bill’s net impact on households in 2020 would be between a benefit of $40 per year and a cost of $340 per year, and “the net annual economywide cost of the cap-and-trade program in 2020 would be $22 billion — or about $175 per household.”
So basically, according to that calculator….the CBO’s projection is shit?
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3 wood Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:42:15am |
re: #200 Cannadian Club Akbar
Here in Florida, voters voted yes on a tobakkie tax to raise money for kiddie health care. The dirty little secret is that they raised all “user fees”
including fishing liscenses, tags for your car, speeding tickets, anything and everything.
The modern politician has learned that they can get the public to approve almost anything if they just paint it as something that will raise taxes on somebody else but you will then stand to get some new benefit for free.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter. I’m reminded of an old George Carling line:
“Think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are stupider than that.”
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1SG(ret) Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:42:36am |
re: #196 soxfan4life
Could you go by Temple and tell my Grandkids Papaw loves them for me? Ex-DIL miffed at son and won’t let them take my calls (even though I pay for thier cell phones). ;-(
Good luck on the job front!
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Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:43:23am |
re: #209 1SG(ret)
Could you go by Temple and tell my Grandkids Papaw loves them for me? Ex-DIL miffed at son and won’t let them take my calls (even though I pay for thier cell phones). ;-(
Man, that’s awful.
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3 wood Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:44:10am |
re: #209 1SG(ret)
Could you go by Temple and tell my Grandkids Papaw loves them for me? Ex-DIL miffed at son and won’t let them take my calls (even though I pay for thier cell phones). ;-(
I am so sorry to hear that. How nasty.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:45:14am |
Also, if you go to sell you house, I believe you will have to bring it up to Federal code for energy efficiency, which some people will not be able to afford to do.
re: #192 MandyManners
Someone needs to challenge this in court. Ownership of real property is one of the bedrocks of America.
Mandy, so far as I’ve seen, no-one’s been able to substantiate the claim about “all houses” that are being sold.
A bunch of us were talking about it the other night, and the only provisions that people found in the bill applied to “manufactured housing built before 1976” (trailers and modular homes), and even those people will get rebates or help in certain circumstances.
If I find anything suggesting this is about all housing I’ll let you know.
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razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:46:14am |
re: #205 iceweasel
Why just the year 2020?
What happened in the years running up to 2020, and the years after 2020?
Why are the wages and return on investment conflated with increased taxes? What if you don’t have a job, or investments?
What if you’re not in a priviledged class, and don’t get a rebate? What if the government doesn’t pay you benefits?
Will the increased costs still apply to you?
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:46:46am |
re: #207 TheMatrix31
So basically, according to that calculator….the CBO’s projection is shit?
I think the issue has to be what the calculator is working with.
Some questions: Is it taking into account all the rebates, dispensations, etc?
Also— what years are they looking at?
I don’t know the answers to these questions.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:47:03am |
Good Morning ….. Happy 58th Birthday Stanley Clarke
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1SG(ret) Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:47:15am |
re: #210 Mithrax
All part of being a grandpartent in this divorce happy world I guess!
Doesn’t change my feelings for them though!
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:49:47am |
re: #205 iceweasel
The Congressional Budget Office says the bill’s net impact on households in 2020 would be between a benefit of $40 per year and a cost of $340 per year, and “the net annual economywide cost of the cap-and-trade program in 2020 would be $22 billion — or about $175 per household.”
So according to your chart from the CBO it is more redistribution of wealth as the lowest percentile of income will receive more in credits than it will cost them. If it was really about global warming or pollution why shouldn’t everyone share the cost equally. The more these people let their mask slip the scarier they become.
Lowest Quintile 425 -400 -65 -40
Second Quintile 555 -420 -90 40
Middle Quintile 675 -300 -140 235
Fourth Quintile 815 -245 -230 340
Highest Quintile 1,380 -250 -885 245
All Households 770 -320 -285 165
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Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:50:07am |
re: #217 1SG(ret)
All part of being a grandpartent in this divorce happy world I guess!
Doesn’t change my feelings for them though!
I’ve seen kids in many nasty divorces, and it’s the grandparents that help provide the additional love and support. The kids appreciate it, I garuntee it.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:51:07am |
re: #213 iceweasel
Mandy, so far as I’ve seen, no-one’s been able to substantiate the claim about “all houses” that are being sold.
A bunch of us were talking about it the other night, and the only provisions that people found in the bill applied to “manufactured housing built before 1976” (trailers and modular homes), and even those people will get rebates or help in certain circumstances.
If I find anything suggesting this is about all housing I’ll let you know.
Restrictions on ANY housing is contrary to the right to own real property.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:51:30am |
re: #214 razorbacker
Why just the year 2020?
What happened in the years running up to 2020, and the years after 2020?
Why are the wages and return on investment conflated with increased taxes? What if you don’t have a job, or investments?
What if you’re not in a priviledged class, and don’t get a rebate? What if the government doesn’t pay you benefits?
Will the increased costs still apply to you?
I can’t tell you. All I know about this is the chart that was released— you can find a copy of it here:
[Link: www.environmentalleader.com…]
According to the chart, the average gross cost to households is 770, after the rebates it comes to 175. (This includes all households, those in the bottom quintile and in the top).
There are many unanswered questions.
Fenway Nation can provide an excellent roundup of criticisms against the cap&trade bill from the standpoint of how it will affect the transportation industries, btw.
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eon Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:51:40am |
re: #192 MandyManners
Someone needs to challenge this in court. Ownership of real property is one of the bedrocks of America.
Good morning, Lizards.
Property ownership has also always been seen as the main stumbling-block to “building socialism” in the United States- by the great socialist “theorists” themselves, notably Saul Alinsky and Noam Chomsky. Put simply, they believe 100% in Lenin’s dictum that “the birth of socialism requires the death of private property” (speech to the CPSU Congress, 1921).
I have a two-volume set of Lenin’s speeches. It’s amazing how often he is quoted by our “enlightened leaders” today, with nobody, including them, realizing they’re doing it.
cheers
eon
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:52:37am |
re: #209 1SG(ret)
Could you go by Temple and tell my Grandkids Papaw loves them for me? Ex-DIL miffed at son and won’t let them take my calls (even though I pay for thier cell phones). ;-(
Good luck on the job front!
Sorry to hear that, went through the same thing only it was my ex-wife who wouldn’t let me talk to my son. keep a written journal of every time you call and are denied, judges really like things like that.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:53:36am |
re: #218 soxfan4life
So according to your chart from the CBO it is more redistribution of wealth as the lowest percentile of income will receive more in credits than it will cost them. If it was really about global warming or pollution why shouldn’t everyone share the cost equally. The more these people let their mask slip the scarier they become.
Lowest Quintile 425 -400 -65 -40
Second Quintile 555 -420 -90 40
Middle Quintile 675 -300 -140 235
Fourth Quintile 815 -245 -230 340
Highest Quintile 1,380 -250 -885 245
All Households 770 -320 -285 165
The lowest quintile (bottom 20%) will see some benefit; they’ll save 40 bucks, basically.
Everyone else pays.
And there are lots of reasons to wonder if these projections will even hold, out in 2020.
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Empire1 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:55:08am |
To give credit where it’s due, I had to go to DMV yesterday to transfer the title on my “new” car. I got quick, courteous service — in and out, with new title and registration card (plate sayed with the car) in ten minutes flat.
Way to go, Delaware DMV!
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:55:50am |
re: #222 eon
Good morning, Lizards.
Property ownership has also always been seen as the main stumbling-block to “building socialism” in the United States- by the great socialist “theorists” themselves, notably Saul Alinsky and Noam Chomsky. Put simply, they believe 100% in Lenin’s dictum that “the birth of socialism requires the death of private property” (speech to the CPSU Congress, 1921).
I have a two-volume set of Lenin’s speeches. It’s amazing how often he is quoted by our “enlightened leaders” today, with nobody, including them, realizing they’re doing it.
cheers
eon
They can’t kill it outright now so they’ll slowly drain it of blood.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:55:58am |
re: #224 iceweasel
The lowest quintile (bottom 20%) will see some benefit; they’ll save 40 bucks, basically.
Everyone else pays.And there are lots of reasons to wonder if these projections will even hold, out in 2020.
And if it is such an important item why shouldn’t everyone pay? Strictly a money grab and some of these people should face prison sentences longer than Madoff, after all he didn’t force anyone to buy into his scheme.
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razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:56:28am |
I’m willing to consider the possibility that I am an old fuddy-duddy, one overtaken by the passage of time and unable to understand how the world works. It is entirely credible to me that contemporary events unfold in such a marvelous new fashion that I am unable to fathom their workings.
But the Obamanation, and the actions of PGI Obama himself, call to mind those old 1930s musicals where a dewy faced Judy Garland and that lovable scamp Mickey Rooney lay down their crack pipes for a moment and say, “Hey, I know! Let’s put on a government
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:57:13am |
Good morning all. How’s the state of the world this morning. Besides the usual.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:57:45am |
re: #220 MandyManners
Restrictions on ANY housing is contrary to the right to own real property.
I get what you’re saying— but some restrictions make sense, don’t they? Isn’t this why we have to get an engineer’s report to verify that the house is in good shape, etc.?
As I said— if I find any info suggesting that the bill is going to put in place restrictions about all houses being sold, I’ll post it.
Right now, the stuff about requiring 30 year old mobile homes to be brought up to code when sold or replaced (and the offer of gov’t help to bring them up to code) doesn’t bother me. It seems like a good thing to do.
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1SG(ret) Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:01:58am |
re: #233 iceweasel
(gov’t help to bring them up to code)
Doesn’t this in essence add an additional tax on the rest of us though?
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razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:02:44am |
re: #224 iceweasel
I admire and applaud your efforts to run interference for bigger, more intrusive government. But you are no Avanti.
At least Avanti can distract me with pithy comments about Studebakers and sometimes Packards.
Do you know anything about antique cars?
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rightside Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:03:04am |
Speaking of not raising taxes on those making under $250,000, here are the MSM openly laughing at boy wonder gibbs on that very question.
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opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:03:05am |
Good Morning. The Michael Jackson saga continues. FNC reports that a former lawyer for him is filing a will today that was drawn up in 2002.
The rumor is that it cuts father Joe out completely.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:03:26am |
re: #234 1SG(ret)
Doesn’t this in essence add an additional tax on the rest of us though?
SSHHH you’re not supposed to let everyone know that. 0bama’s SOP seems to involve lots of smoke and mirrors.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:03:47am |
re: #228 soxfan4life
And if it is such an important item why shouldn’t everyone pay? Strictly a money grab and some of these people should face prison sentences longer than Madoff, after all he didn’t force anyone to buy into his scheme.
I’m sure you’re right and there’s some money grabbing going on in this bill— like in every bill, esp large ones rammed through congress.
I don’t think it bothers me that the bottom 20% in terms of income will see a tiny benefit of 40 dollars a year— assuming this chart even winds up being accurate.
And it should be noted that there is a gross cost of 425 per year to that bottom quintile— it’s only after all the deductions etc that it works out to a savings of 40 bucks a year.
Again, this is only assuming the CBO got it right. Which, frankly, who the hell knows?
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:03:47am |
re: #233 iceweasel
I get what you’re saying— but some restrictions make sense, don’t they? Isn’t this why we have to get an engineer’s report to verify that the house is in good shape, etc.?
As I said— if I find any info suggesting that the bill is going to put in place restrictions about all houses being sold, I’ll post it.
Right now, the stuff about requiring 30 year old mobile homes to be brought up to code when sold or replaced (and the offer of gov’t help to bring them up to code) doesn’t bother me. It seems like a good thing to do.
Since when is energy conservation the same as safety codes?
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Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:03:56am |
re: #238 soxfan4life
SSHHH you’re not supposed to let everyone know that. 0bama’s SOP seems to involve lots of smoke and mirrors.
Don’t forget the uncountable loads of bullshit too :P
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eon Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:05:27am |
re: #231 Cannadian Club Akbar
What’s the name of the set?
Lenin; Selected Works, Moscow, USSR; Progress Publishers, 1963 (revised edition, 1976). And my bad- it’s three volumes, not two.
/Yes, it’s an English translation, as I’m not that good at Russian.
cheers
eon
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:06:18am |
re: #233 iceweasel
It seems like a good thing to do.
And therein lies the rub.
It would be a good thing for me to stop smoking - BUT THE GOV’T SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO FORCE ME TO DO SO.
Personal property should be inviolate, Kelo notwithstanding. If the owner of such a dwelling wishes to sell and can find a buyer willing to buy as it, the gov’t should stay the fuck out of it.
And don’t forget - Obama was in front of the cameras yesterday (again) talking about light bulbs.
You first, Messiah Boy. Replace all the bulbs in the White House chandaliers with flourescents.
Other than that, good morning.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:06:27am |
re: #240 MandyManners
Since when is energy conservation the same as safety codes?
This part of the bill is about replacing mobile homes that are 32 years or older.
Have you ever been in one, just visited someone who lives in one?
I have.
I can believe they also violate numerous safety codes, in addition to being energy inefficient.
I can’t see replacing them as a bad thing. It looks like a good thing for the people who live in them.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:06:54am |
re: #239 iceweasel
I’m sure you’re right and there’s some money grabbing going on in this bill— like in every bill, esp large ones rammed through congress.
I don’t think it bothers me that the bottom 20% in terms of income will see a tiny benefit of 40 dollars a year— assuming this chart even winds up being accurate.
And it should be noted that there is a gross cost of 425 per year to that bottom quintile— it’s only after all the deductions etc that it works out to a savings of 40 bucks a year.
Again, this is only assuming the CBO got it right. Which, frankly, who the hell knows?
So he’s going to raise 80% of ours energy bills to provide relief to the bottom 20% and try and sell us the lie that he is not raising taxes, just the cost of everything we use. Sorry if I don’t fall for that line of bullshit.
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1SG(ret) Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:07:29am |
re: #238 soxfan4life
I just wish he would post the actual SOP! Or is that a living document, changed daily to fit his war plan on the US?
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opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:08:53am |
re: #240 MandyManners
Since when is energy conservation the same as safety codes?
Ted Dear Leader intends to institute codes & rules for all aspects of our lives. It is all for our own good.Just assume the lotus position & chant
‘Oooobaaama, Oooobaaama”
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:09:37am |
re: #246 1SG(ret)
I just wish he would post the actual SOP! Or is that a living document, changed daily to fit his war plan on the US?
It changes daily based on public opinion polls.
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right_wing2 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:10:25am |
re: #245 soxfan4life
A lot of people will, though. And the Bamster will blame it on Bush, greedy corporations, the rich, and Republicans.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:10:36am |
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]re: #243 wahabicorridor
And therein lies the rub.
It would be a good thing for me to stop smoking - BUT THE GOV’T SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO FORCE ME TO DO SO.
Personal property should be inviolate, Kelo notwithstanding. If the owner of such a dwelling wishes to sell and can find a buyer willing to buy as it, the gov’t should stay the fuck out of it.
And don’t forget - Obama was in front of the cameras yesterday (again) talking about light bulbs.
You first, Messiah Boy. Replace all the bulbs in the White House chandaliers with flourescents.
Other than that, good morning.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:10:37am |
re: #244 iceweasel
This part of the bill is about replacing mobile homes that are 32 years or older.
Have you ever been in one, just visited someone who lives in one?
I have.
I can believe they also violate numerous safety codes, in addition to being energy inefficient.I can’t see replacing them as a bad thing. It looks like a good thing for the people who live in them.
Is the bill about safety code violations or energy conservation?
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razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:10:38am |
re: #244 iceweasel
This part of the bill is about replacing mobile homes that are 32 years or older.
Have you ever been in one, just visited someone who lives in one?
I have.
I can believe they also violate numerous safety codes, in addition to being energy inefficient.I can’t see replacing them as a bad thing. It looks like a good thing for the people who live in them.
Actually, I grew up in one. One that my family tacked additional rooms onto, to accomodate the large number of children. Care to take a guess why we would do that?
Because we could afford no better. Raise the price and we’d have been living under the trees.
Since Dad had no social security number, and thus paid no income taxes, our family didn’t get those neato government paychecks.
We’d have been in deep doo-doo. Well, deeper doo-doo, anyway.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:10:47am |
re: #245 soxfan4life
So he’s going to raise 80% of ours energy bills to provide relief to the bottom 20% and try and sell us the lie that he is not raising taxes, just the cost of everything we use. Sorry if I don’t fall for that line of bullshit.
That’s understandable.
As I said: Fenway Nation is, in my opinion, the person to talk to for excellent objections to cap & trade, coming from the perspective of the transportation industries.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:12:32am |
re: #247 opnion
Ted Dear Leader intends to institute codes & rules for all aspects of our lives. It is all for our own good.Just assume the lotus position & chant
‘Oooobaaama, Oooobaaama”
What was it FCBBHO said about keeping our houses a comfortable temperature and eating what we want in comparison to other nations?
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:12:47am |
re: #252 razorbacker
Actually, I grew up in one. One that my family tacked additional rooms onto, to accomodate the large number of children. Care to take a guess why we would do that?
Because we could afford no better. Raise the price and we’d have been living under the trees.
Since Dad had no social security number, and thus paid no income taxes, our family didn’t get those neato government paychecks.
We’d have been in deep doo-doo. Well, deeper doo-doo, anyway.
Don’t you think it’s a good thing if the government helps replace a domicile like that, when someone is trying to sell it?
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:13:25am |
re: #244 iceweasel
As a once former resident of a mobile home I believe that if it isn’t kept up to code, and safety by the owners then there are other avenues of approach rather then new legislation. Besides most of them are good for the locations and cost. I lived in it because it was cheaper to purchase then rent. Besides I got more living space and tried to keep it up to par.
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eon Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:15:10am |
re: #243 wahabicorridor
And therein lies the rub.
It would be a good thing for me to stop smoking - BUT THE GOV’T SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO FORCE ME TO DO SO.
Personal property should be inviolate, Kelo notwithstanding. If the owner of such a dwelling wishes to sell and can find a buyer willing to buy as it, the gov’t should stay the fuck out of it.
And don’t forget - Obama was in front of the cameras yesterday (again) talking about light bulbs.
You first, Messiah Boy. Replace all the bulbs in the White House chandaliers with flourescents.
Other than that, good morning.
And in the name of “protecting the environment”, we’re supposed to bring glass containers enclosing mercury into our domiciles, and treat every burnt-out light bulb as a potential HAZMAT situation. Oh, and ensure that the mercury-bearing little guilt globes are “disposed of” safely.
The only safe mercury disposal system around here is the local hospital’s, because they use mercury in X-Ray development. I can just imagine how thrilled they’ll be to suddenly find their disposal pipeline overloaded with light bulbs.
Once more we see that with the “enlightened ones”, ideology and dogma always trump reality.
Unfortunately, the rest of us don’t have that luxury. We have to put up with the real thing. Plus the “unintended” consequences of our leaders’ delusions.
/Although I wonder just how “unintended” those consequences really are.
cheers
eon
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:15:54am |
re: #253 iceweasel
That’s understandable.
As I said: Fenway Nation is, in my opinion, the person to talk to for excellent objections to cap & trade, coming from the perspective of the transportation industries.
I was in the utility business. Power companies have pretty much stopped spending money on maintenance and will only do necessary work to keep power on until they see how much this is going to cost them. So this bill will put alot of people in this line of work out of work. Add the increased cost imposed upon everyone by this bill, adding a tax burden during a recession doesn’t spur economic growth.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:16:24am |
Lt. Col. Ralph Peters is on Fox right now. I love this man.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:16:28am |
re: #243 wahabicorridor
Personal property should be inviolate, Kelo notwithstanding. If the owner of such a dwelling wishes to sell and can find a buyer willing to buy as it, the gov’t should stay the fuck out of it.
I don’t agree, because of the number of desperate buyers who might get screwed. See razorbacker’s post for an eloquent example of a family that doesn’t sell and can’t sell— and an example of the kind of family that an unscrupulous seller would gleefully exploit.
And other than that, good morning to you too, wahabicorridor! :)
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:16:37am |
re: #255 iceweasel
Don’t you think it’s a good thing if the government helps replace a domicile like that, when someone is trying to sell it?
Wow. I can come up with scams to take advantage of that without my coffee. A couple front companies and I’m in.
‘The Government’ runs on our tax money. The more money taken out of the private domain in taxes the less money available for the private domain.
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Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:16:39am |
re: #258 eon
And in the name of “protecting the environment”,
I the name of protecting the environment I propose that everyone bring me their full beer cans so that I may empty them and recycle appropriately!
Chili dogs, burgers and pizza may also be dropped off at the House of Mithraxia Recycling Depot!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:17:45am |
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]
Try now
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eon Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:17:54am |
re: #254 MandyManners
What was it FCBBHO said about keeping our houses a comfortable temperature and eating what we want in comparison to other nations?
That would be, “No, We Can’t”.
Or at least, “No, I’m Not Going To Let You Do It”.
/Followed by “Now shut up while I eat my frozen Rocky Road.”
cheers
eon
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razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:18:29am |
re: #255 iceweasel
Don’t you think it’s a good thing if the government helps replace a domicile like that, when someone is trying to sell it?
No, I don’t.
I don’t see how bringing the heavy, ham-handed, one-size-fits-none arm of the government into citizens lives benefits anyone save those folks working for the government, and drawing government paychecks.
I don’t even think that government workers should pay income taxes, since they are simply shuffling money taken from productive citizens from one holey pocket to another holey pocket, less the graft and waste involved with every transaction.
Can you name for me a government social program that has achieved it’s originally stated goals and then been disbanded? I’ll not be so bold as to ask you to name a government social program that came in on or under budget.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:18:49am |
re: #263 Mithrax
I the name of protecting the environment I propose that everyone bring me their full beer cans so that I may empty them and recycle appropriately!
Chili dogs, burgers and pizza may also be dropped off at the House of Mithraxia Recycling Depot!
ha!
House-o-Ice is now open to assist all by recycling those filthy, filthy dollar bills. Please drop them off in paper bags, not plastic.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:19:00am |
re: #255 iceweasel
Don’t you think it’s a good thing if the government helps replace a domicile like that, when someone is trying to sell it?
So the government spends alot of money to fix it up and then the person selling it pockets a bunch of cash. Sure great idea.
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opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:19:11am |
re: #254 MandyManners
What was it FCBBHO said about keeping our houses a comfortable temperature and eating what we want in comparison to other nations?
He overestimates his own fabulousness. He is finding that he can’t bend foreign leaders to his will, but he has majorities in both houses, so he wants to micro-manage the Americn people.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:19:35am |
re: #263 Mithrax
I the name of protecting the environment I propose that everyone bring me their full beer cans so that I may empty them and recycle appropriately!
Chili dogs, burgers and pizza may also be dropped off at the House of Mithraxia Recycling Depot!
Hmmm, do you have carbon offsets for all that potential methane you will be producing?
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:19:36am |
re: #258 eon
/Although I wonder just how “unintended” those consequences really are.
I don’t. I think it is completely intended. Look at Carole Browner, the EPA chick. Declared socialist.
I too once lived in a ‘manufactured’ home for a few years. Loved it. Cozy and in the Pennsylvania winters it heated up pretty fast when I got home. The only thing I wasn’t thrilled about was cooking with propane.
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Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:23:15am |
re: #270 BlueCanuck
Hmmm, do you have carbon offsets for all that potential methane you will be producing?
No, I’ll just cap and trade them :P
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:23:41am |
re: #261 iceweasel
See razorbacker’s post for an eloquent example of a family that doesn’t sell and can’t sell—
I think we have some reading comprehension problems. Here is what razorback actually wrote at #252
Raise the price and we’d have been living under the trees.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:24:22am |
re: #259 soxfan4life
I was in the utility business. Power companies have pretty much stopped spending money on maintenance and will only do necessary work to keep power on until they see how much this is going to cost them. So this bill will put alot of people in this line of work out of work. Add the increased cost imposed upon everyone by this bill, adding a tax burden during a recession doesn’t spur economic growth.
Thanks— I have favourited your post and intend to use this argument in the future when talking to people who are mindlessly pro- C & T.
Like Fenway’s posts on the impact on transportation industries, this is a great illustration of the ways in which C & T will harm industries and people.
I’d like to see more criticism of C & T like this, rather than rumourmongering about the cost to the average family, or stories about selling homes.
Everytime a false criticism is raised and then debunked, it takes attention away from the real criticisms, like yours and Fenway’s.
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:25:49am |
re: #264 Cannadian Club Akbar
“I know light bulbs may not seem sexy, but this simple action holds enormous promise because 7 percent of all the energy consumed in America is used to light our homes and businesses,” the president said, standing alongside Energy Secretary Steven Chu at the White House.
And 50% of all carbon emissions are coming out of this man’s mouth.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:25:51am |
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Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:26:42am |
re: #276 soxfan4life
You can only cap them for so long.
But then there’ll be more to trade!
I’m a wicked good capitalist! :P
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:27:20am |
re: #276 soxfan4life
You can only cap them for so long.
Yeah, and farting under the blanket doesn’t count as a cap.
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Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:27:49am |
re: #278 iceweasel
Yeah, and farting under the blanket doesn’t count as a cap.
No but it counts as trading :)
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:28:48am |
re: #273 wahabicorridor
There are some reading comprehension problems here, but they’re not on my part. They’re about what the bill actually says and requires.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:29:19am |
re: #274 iceweasel
This will be as harmful to industry as the price of gas being at $4 a gallon like last summer. The big difference is the price of gas wasn’t an intentional consequence of government policy. Add this and the increase in gas prices the administration is willing to tolerate, he did say $4 a gallon was acceptable as long as it didn’t rise as fast as it did before, and we are facing the perfect economic storm and America is the Andrea Gail.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:29:51am |
re: #280 Mithrax
No but it counts as trading :)
If by that you mean, “trading punches under the covers”, then yes.
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1SG(ret) Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:29:59am |
re: #276 soxfan4life
I’m all for busting caps. BUT
I don’t want to be around when he busts that cap!
Where does he live again?
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:30:09am |
re: #281 iceweasel
So if there’s a large amount of reading comprehension, how come it got passed? Oh wait, they didn’t read it before voting on it.
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Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:31:06am |
re: #283 iceweasel
If by that you mean, “trading punches under the covers”, then yes.
Psh. Just means that it has to be made up for later! :)
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eon Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:31:19am |
Well, I have to run. Errands await.
Have a great day, Lizards.
cheers
eon
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SixDegrees Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:31:22am |
re: #213 iceweasel
Mandy, so far as I’ve seen, no-one’s been able to substantiate the claim about “all houses” that are being sold.
A bunch of us were talking about it the other night, and the only provisions that people found in the bill applied to “manufactured housing built before 1976” (trailers and modular homes), and even those people will get rebates or help in certain circumstances.
If I find anything suggesting this is about all housing I’ll let you know.
I would imagine that this will more likely take the form of mandatory disclosure if it’s in there at all. Around here, for example, you have to test if your home has any lead paint, and disclose that fact if it tests positive. It’s up to the buyer whether to care or not. Most don’t. Some might require a mediation deposit be placed in escrow, so if they choose to have the problem taken care of they can use the money, but if they don’t take action within a specified period of time the money reverts to the seller. Anyway, forcing mandatory upgrades onto the seller is a sure way to hammer what’s left of the housing market straight into the ground. And as a buyer, I wouldn’t really care; I can figure out all by myself if a house is going to need improvements, and if I feel that additional insulation is going to be required, I’ll adjust my offering price accordingly.
What I’m really hoping for is for this abomination to die in the Senate. I’ve already written both Senators in my state, and will be moving on to address my House members next. It’s a crappy bill whose handling borders on being illegal, and it needs a stake driven through it’s heart.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:31:29am |
re: #285 BlueCanuck
So if there’s a large amount of reading INcomprehension, how come it got passed? Oh wait, they didn’t read it before voting on it.
FTFY. :)
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:32:13am |
re: #285 BlueCanuck
Much like the Stimulus we have to act quickly, we don’t have time to read.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:32:41am |
re: #265 eon
That would be, “No, We Can’t”.
Or at least, “No, I’m Not Going To Let You Do It”.
/Followed by “Now shut up while I eat my frozen Rocky Road.”
cheers
eon
You eat frozen treats? You elitist, you!
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:33:53am |
re: #281 iceweasel
There are some reading comprehension problems here, but they’re not on my part. They’re about what the bill actually says and requires.
No, dear, we’re discussing/reading that you think it’s a good idea that the gov’t would require sellers to upgrade to current code.
It’s your take on the issue we’re ‘comprehending’.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:33:54am |
re: #269 opnion
He overestimates his own fabulousness. He is finding that he can’t bend foreign leaders to his will, but he has majorities in both houses, so he wants to micro-manage the Americn people.
People who micro-manage others think their targets are too stupid to get things done on their own.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:33:59am |
re: #288 SixDegrees
What I’m really hoping for is for this abomination to die in the Senate. I’ve already written both Senators in my state, and will be moving on to address my House members next. It’s a crappy bill whose handling borders on being illegal, and it needs a stake driven through it’s heart.
I believe you’ve raised this wise point before, and I’d agreed. The bill is going to undergo major overhaul in the Senate- at the least.
If it passes at all, it will be in vastly different form, is my guess.
(BTW, same will happen with health care proposals IMO)
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:35:19am |
re: #294 iceweasel
Again it causes a giant pit in the bottom of my stomach when we rely on the Senate for fiscal responsibility.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:35:39am |
re: #292 wahabicorridor
No, dear, we’re discussing/reading that you think it’s a good idea that the gov’t would require sellers to upgrade to current code.
It’s your take on the issue we’re ‘comprehending’.
Actually, you just proved you lack reading comprehension, dear, given your inability to comprehend that this is neither what the bill says, nor what I’ve claimed.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:35:46am |
re: #290 soxfan4life
I wish you were being sarcastic, but from what I have seen in the past couple of months, the real world is stranger than fiction. The good news I think is that with the great American experiment in cap and trade is happening before we are doing it up here. Now all we have to do is sit back and watch what happens.
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opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:35:54am |
re: #282 soxfan4life
This will be as harmful to industry as the price of gas being at $4 a gallon like last summer. The big difference is the price of gas wasn’t an intentional consequence of government policy. Add this and the increase in gas prices the administration is willing to tolerate, he did say $4 a gallon was acceptable as long as it didn’t rise as fast as it did before, and we are facing the perfect economic storm and America is the Andrea Gail.
As I see it, we have aelected a lazy narsissist, who thinks that the rest of us need behavioral modification. He continues to appoint czars to put his policies in motion & they want no questions asked.
Carole Browner was on TV Sunday admitting that she only read ‘Chunks” of the Bill.
His Supreme Court nominee, “Vote quickly, we don’t need debate”
The Constitution? “It doesn’t provide for economic justice.”
Obama will fix that. We are in some serious trouble.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:36:00am |
re: #282 soxfan4life
This will be as harmful to industry as the price of gas being at $4 a gallon like last summer. The big difference is the price of gas wasn’t an intentional consequence of government policy. Add this and the increase in gas prices the administration is willing to tolerate, he did say $4 a gallon was acceptable as long as it didn’t rise as fast as it did before, and we are facing the perfect economic storm and America is the Andrea Gail.
I thought it was $5.00/gallon. Maybe I’m getting that confused with what Al Gore said.
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:36:28am |
re: #282 soxfan4life
updinged you for that one. Also check the spinoff links. Someone just posted about China buying up gold.
Not. Good.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:36:31am |
re: #293 MandyManners
People who micro-manage others think their targets are too stupid to get things done on their own.
*DING*
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:36:35am |
re: #299 MandyManners
I thought it was $5.00/gallon. Maybe I’m getting that confused with what Al Gore said.
Depends where you live, I guess. Up here it was only $4 and change.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:38:12am |
re: #295 soxfan4life
Again it causes a giant pit in the bottom of my stomach when we rely on the Senate for fiscal responsibility.
I believe you mentioned this upthread— the need for a party that stresses fiscal conservatism, and you mentioned that Bush’s GOP wasn’t it.
I’m on board with that. This country desperately needs a party that would return to the principles of fiscal conservatism. The Democrats surely are not it, and the GOP long ago gave up on that.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:38:45am |
re: #299 MandyManners
I thought it was $5.00/gallon. Maybe I’m getting that confused with what Al Gore said.
I think he did say $5 was alright as long as it didn’t increase as rapidly as it did last summer. Hit us more like the frog in the soup pot, bring the water to a boil slowly.
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opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:38:49am |
re: #293 MandyManners
People who micro-manage others think their targets are too stupid to get things done on their own.
Ya nailed it. He is far too sophisticated for us.
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:41:07am |
In case anyone missed this from a few months ago, here’s the skinny on Carole Browner.
Until last week, Carol M. Browner, President-elect Barack Obama’s pick as global warming czar, was listed as one of 14 leaders of a socialist group’s Commission for a Sustainable World Society, which calls for “global governance” and says rich countries must shrink their economies to address climate change.
By Thursday, Mrs. Browner’s name and biography had been removed from Socialist International’s Web page, though a photo of her speaking June 30 to the group’s congress in Greece was still available.
Socialist International, an umbrella group for many of the world’s social democratic political parties such as Britain’s Labor Party, says it supports socialism and is harshly critical of U.S. policies.
The group’s Commission for a Sustainable World Society, the organization’s action arm on climate change, says the developed world must reduce consumption and commit to binding and punitive limits on greenhouse gas emissions.
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J.D. Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:41:36am |
Time for a fairy tale ! Alice in Medical Care
By Thomas Sowell
Most political and media discussions of medical care have an air of unreality reminiscent of Alice in Wonderland. There is an abundance of catch-phrases but remarkably few coherent arguments.Let’s start at square one. Why is there alarm about American medical care? The most usual reason given is because its cost is high and rising.
That is certainly true. We were not spending nearly as much on high-tech medical procedures in the past because there were not nearly as many of them, and we were not spending anything at all on some of the new pharmaceutical drugs because they didn’t exist.
This general pattern is not peculiar to medical care. Cars didn’t cost nearly as much in the past, when they didn’t have air-conditioning, power steering and high-tech safety features. Homes were cheaper when they were smaller, had fewer bathrooms and lacked such conveniences as built-in microwave ovens.
We would like to have all these things without the rising costs that come with them. But only with medical care is such wishful thinking taken seriously, with government regarded as a sort of fairy godmother who will give us the benefits without the costs.
A cynic is said to be someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. If so, then it is political cynicism to point to other countries that spend less on medical care, including some countries where there is “universal health care” provided “free” by their governments.
Just as medical care, houses and cars were all cheaper when they lacked things that they have today, so medical care in other countries is cheaper when they lack many things that are more readily available in the United States.
There are more than four times as many Magnetic Resonance Imaging units (MRIs) per capita in the United States as in Britain or Canada, where there are government-run medical systems. There are more than twice as many CT scanners per capita in the United States as in Canada and more than four times as many per capita as in Britain.
Is it surprising that such things cost money?
The cost of developing a new pharmaceutical drug is now about a billion dollars. Neither political rhetoric nor government bureaucracies will make those costs go away.
We can, of course, refuse to pay these and other medical costs, just as we can refuse to buy air-conditioned homes with built-in microwave ovens. But that just means we pay attention only to prices and not to the value of what we get for those prices.
We can even refuse to pay for so many doctors. But that just means that we will have to wait longer to see a doctor— as people do in countries with government-run medical systems.
In Canada, 27 percent of the people who have surgery wait four months or more. In Britain, 38 percent wait that long. But only 5 percent of Americans wait that long for surgery.
Surgery may well cost less in countries with government-run medical systems— if you count only the money cost, and not the time the patients have to endure the ailments that require surgery, or the fact that some conditions become worse, or even fatal, while waiting.
A recent report from the Fraser Institute in Canada shows that patients there wait an average of ten weeks to get an MRI, just to find out what is wrong with them. A lot of bad things can happen in 10 weeks, ranging from suffering to death.
Politicians may talk about “bringing down the cost of medical care,” but they seldom even attempt to bring down the costs. What they bring down is the price— which is to say, they refuse to pay the costs….
…The great haste with which the latest government expansion into medical care is being rushed through Congress suggests that the politicians don’t want us to stop and think. That makes sense, from their point of view, but not from ours.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:41:38am |
re: #303 iceweasel
I believe you mentioned this upthread— the need for a party that stresses fiscal conservatism, and you mentioned that Bush’s GOP wasn’t it.
I’m on board with that. This country desperately needs a party that would return to the principles of fiscal conservatism. The Democrats surely are not it, and the GOP long ago gave up on that.
That’s one of the truly sad things about the Sanford affair. He could have been the new face of a fiscally responsible GOP. But if he threw his hat in the ring now all we would hear is cries of adulterer, and his message would be lost.
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SasyMomaCat Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:41:47am |
re: #26 ggt
I’m sure someone else has already answered, but I’m not that far downthread yet … Groucho Marx
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:42:09am |
re: #298 opnion
As I see it, we have aelected a lazy narsissist, who thinks that the rest of us need behavioral modification. He continues to appoint czars to put his policies in motion & they want no questions asked.
Carole Browner was on TV Sunday admitting that she only read ‘Chunks” of the Bill.
His Supreme Court nominee, “Vote quickly, we don’t need debate”
The Constitution? “It doesn’t provide for economic justice.”Obama will fix that. We are in some serious trouble.
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J.D. Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:42:53am |
re: #305 opnion
Ya nailed it. He is far too sophisticated for us.
Why make him suffer?
Let’s set him free!
Where he can go do some good for someone… else !
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Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:44:21am |
Hmmm….work from home today, or 30 second walk to the office, with no computer…..
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:44:46am |
re: #301 BlueCanuck
*DING*
I’ve worked with micro-managers before and they drove me bat-shit crazy. It can be a very demeaning situation.
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:45:32am |
re: #310 MandyManners
And this is what Obama - who taught Constitutional law - doesn’t get.
Of course the Consitution is flawed.
It was written by flawed creatures. Which is why they provided a mechanism for altering it. Obama doesn’t seem to understand that HE is also flawed.
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J.D. Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:45:54am |
re: #312 Mithrax
Hmmm….work from home today, or 30 second walk to the office, with no computer…..
Be sure to take some water with you on that trip!
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:45:55am |
re: #302 thedopefishlives
Depends where you live, I guess. Up here it was only $4 and change.
I’m talking about what was said. IIRC, the Gore situation was that the government should tax gas to put it at $5.00/gal. as a way to encourage alternate energy production.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:46:19am |
re: #304 soxfan4life
I think he did say $5 was alright as long as it didn’t increase as rapidly as it did last summer. Hit us more like the frog in the soup pot, bring the water to a boil slowly.
Gore or FCBBHO?
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opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:46:23am |
re: #310 MandyManners
He has little to no allegiance to America as is, only to the one that he intends to create.
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opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:47:38am |
re: #311 J.D.
Why make him suffer?
Let’s set him free!
Where he can go do some good for someone… else !
I agree, we are not worthy. He should go save Europe or the Muslim world or Martians.
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razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:48:54am |
I will simply mention this:
The great social experiment that is the United States of America was not constructed along the ‘ant-colony’ model.
We are not supposed to be modeled on the lines of having soldier ants fiercely attacking perceived dangers, with the vast majority of the colony being mindless drones laboring and dying in service to their queen.
Those ignorant old white men had a different model in mind. I don’t think that they actually had a specific end in mind. I think that they merely wanted to provide a skeleton, and allow the people to flesh it out as they see fit.
I am at ease with the idea that our current Frankenstein’s monster of a result was not in their minds. Not even way out there in the penumbra of their minds.
I’m going to go sit on the front porch before the heat takes hold. I shall rock, and think, and drink strong, black coffee. I may even smoke a thin cigar, if the mode strikes me and I feel especially anti-social.
Y’all take care.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:48:59am |
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:49:22am |
re: #319 opnion
I vote martians. He will have to spend some time to finding them first.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:49:44am |
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opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:50:29am |
re: #322 BlueCanuck
I vote martians. He will have to spend some time to finding them first.
Well, if they no longer exist, it is because Bush policies killed them.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:50:54am |
re: #314 wahabicorridor
And this is what Obama - who taught Constitutional law - doesn’t get.
Of course the Consitution is flawed.
It was written by flawed creatures. Which is why they provided a mechanism for altering it. Obama doesn’t seem to understand that HE is also flawed.
What was it FCBBHO said about positive liberty? That is the antithesis to the negative liberty embraced by our founders.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:55:11am |
re: #308 soxfan4life
That’s one of the truly sad things about the Sanford affair. He could have been the new face of a fiscally responsible GOP. But if he threw his hat in the ring now all we would hear is cries of adulterer, and his message would be lost.
There is so much that is wrong or flawed in the Sanford debacle it’s hard to know where to start.
I will mention though that I personally don’t care about and don’t want to know about his marital problems. That’s between him and his wife, and it’s unfortunate that this is now a media circus, because aside from his political prospects, the people getting damaged here for certain are the kids.
BUT— I do have an issue with a governor being AWOL, and with the recent revelations that state money paid for at least one earlier trip to Argentina.
Those aren’t partisan issues, but issues about the duties of public servants.
I think Sanford fatally screwed up, and in more ways than in just having an affair.
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:55:23am |
And in case anything thinks Russia isn’t hopeless, check this out.
Seventy years ago, as the dark clouds of war gathered over Europe, Poland was in secret alliance with Nazi Germany, and Japan, preparing to invade the Soviet Union. (caption on poster, above, says: Under the great leadership of Stalin, forward to communism!)
I know that your history book in school never told you that, but that’s what Russians are being told. I know your history book told you that the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact was the not so secret agreement between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany in preparation for invading Poland. But you got it all wrong.
The Soviet Union, says a documentary that was broadcast on Russian state TV this week, had to sign the non aggression pact with the Nazis, otherwise the Poles were going to march all the way to Moscow - meet up with their Japanese chums for a tray of sushi and a jolly glass of vodka - and then depose Stalin and set up a fascist regime in Uncle Joe’s place.
I get RTTV (Russian TV) with my cable service - it can be a hoot. But they have a website that can also be fun
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:56:11am |
re: #325
MandyManners
What was it FCBBHO said about positive liberty? That is the antithesis to the negative liberty embraced by our founders.
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.
And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:57:58am |
re: #317 MandyManners
re: #328 iceweasel
There is so much that is wrong or flawed in the Sanford debacle it’s hard to know where to start.
I will mention though that I personally don’t care about and don’t want to know about his marital problems. That’s between him and his wife, and it’s unfortunate that this is now a media circus, because aside from his political prospects, the people getting damaged here for certain are the kids.
BUT— I do have an issue with a governor being AWOL, and with the recent revelations that state money paid for at least one earlier trip to Argentina.
Those aren’t partisan issues, but issues about the duties of public servants.
I think Sanford fatally screwed up, and in more ways than in just having an affair.
I agree completely and with his screw up he gave a huge boost to those opposed to fiscal conservatism.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:58:38am |
re: #326 buzzsawmonkey
And in that he is quite correct. Obama believes in “human rights.”
He does not believe in liberty, or the civil rights which safeguard it.
Check out what he said about the USSC should have addressed economic justice in No. 325. He’s not content to have racial equality. He wants economic equality. Fucking Commie bastard.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:58:53am |
re: #327 buzzsawmonkey
I am tired of hearing about shitstainable energy sources.
Sick of crap and trade?
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 5:59:29am |
re: #317 MandyManners
Gore or FCBBHO?
FCBBHO was the one who was upset that the price increased so fast.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:00:13am |
re: #331 soxfan4life
re: #328 iceweasel
I agree completely and with his screw up he gave a huge boost to those opposed to fiscal conservatism.
That sucks. I hope not— because fiscal conservatism itself is a good idea and would be a popular one, and shouldn’t take a hit just because Sanford is a tool.
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:00:25am |
re: #325 MandyManners
What was it FCBBHO said about positive liberty? That is the antithesis to the negative liberty embraced by our founders.
Found it.
The 2001 audio tape of Barack Obama describing the Constitution as a document of “negative liberties” reveals an utterly Orwellian Obama. How can liberty be anything other than negative? Liberty is the absence of external control. Only in our age of collective thinking and untidy language could such a thing as “positive liberty” be conceived. The state power to coerce is not liberty.
Notions like “positive liberty” are part of the web of thought control by language manipulation which Orwell described in 1984. If Obama cannot think of “positive liberty” as a contradiction in terms, then he simply cannot think. The conscious surrender of language to the needs of the party creates a self-made prison from which escape is, quite literally, inconceivable. These unguarded remarks by Obama display a mind trapped in a reality in which words are phantoms.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:00:47am |
re: #334 soxfan4life
FCBBHO was the one who was upset that the price increased so fast.
It belied his true intentions.
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J.D. Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:03:30am |
…For a president who came into office literally selling the Audacity of Hope — not just for Americans but for all mankind — his Iran policy can so far be summed up as the timidity of “realism.” That’s realism as a theory of international relations that prescribes a foreign policy based on ostensibly rational calculations of the national interest and assumes that other nations act in similarly rational fashion. ….. .The administration came to town thinking that America’s problems with Iran were largely self-inflicted — a combination of “Axis of Evil” and “regime change” rhetoric, an invasion that gave Iran a reasonable motive for wanting to arm itself with nuclear weapons, and an unwillingness to try to settle differences in face-to-face talks.
In other words, Mr. Obama seems to have thought that a considerable part of America’s Iran problem was simply an America problem, to be addressed by various forms of conciliation: Mr. Obama’s New Year’s greetings to “the Islamic Republic of Iran”; the disavowal of regime change as a U.S. objective; the offer of direct talks without preconditions; withdrawal from Iraq; the insistence, following the election, that the U.S. would neither presume to judge the outcome nor otherwise “meddle” in an internal Iranian affair.
What did all this achieve? Iran’s nuclear programs are accelerating. It is testing ballistic missiles of increasing range and sophistication. Its support for terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah is unabated. Ahmadinejad stole an election in broad daylight. Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei blessed the result. British Embassy staff are under siege. A campaign of mass arrests and intimidation is underway and a young woman named Neda Soltan was shot in the heart simply for choosing none of the above.
Oh, and Iran still accuses the U.S. of “meddling.”
Now Mr. Obama is promising more of the same, plus the equivalent of a group hug for the demonstrators. Is this supposed to be “realism”?
A more common sense form of realism would reach different conclusions. One is that the “bloviations” of Ahmadinejad are not just politically motivated, but are also expressions of contempt for Mr. Obama. That contempt springs from a keen nose for weakness, honed by the habits of dictatorship and based on an estimate — so far unrefuted — of Mr. Obama’s mettle.
Second, as long as Tehran can murder its own people, scoff at a U.S. president and flout U.N. resolutions without consequence, it will continue to do so.
Third is that the Achilles Heel of the Iranian regime isn’t its “isolation.” (What kind of isolation is it when Ahmadinejad’s “election” was instantly ratified by Russian President Dimitry Medvedev?) Nor is it its vulnerability to a gasoline embargo, vulnerable though it is. Its real weakness is its own domestic unpopularity, which has at last found expression in a massive opposition movement.
The fourth is that Iran’s nuclear programs have now reached the stage where they can only be stopped through military strikes — probably Israeli — or an internal political decision to abandon them. The prospect of another Mideast war can’t exactly please the administration. So how about trying to achieve the same result by leveraging point No. 3?
Maybe ordinary Iranians welcome Mr. Obama’s solicitude. What they need is Mr. Obama’s spine. If that means “democracy promotion” and tough talk about “regime change,” well, it wouldn’t be the first time this president has made his predecessor’s policy his own.
Obama’s Obsolete Iran Policy
The audacity of hope gives way to the timidity of realism.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:03:45am |
re: #336 iceweasel
That sucks. I hope not— because fiscal conservatism itself is a good idea and would be a popular one, and shouldn’t take a hit just because Sanford is a tool.
Well when every news outlet people tune into is a big cheerleader for the current administration and their redistribution plans any person coming out in favor of fiscal responsibility had better be prepared to weather a shit storm of epic proportion.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:04:27am |
Folks, this business about Obama calling the Constitution a document of “negative liberties” is being overblown.
What this means is that the Constitution doesn’t outline all the liberties of the American people— it proscribes certain efforts a gov’t might make to infringe some liberties. (like taking away arms, taking away religious freedom)
The default setting is that all Americans have all liberties, even the ones not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:05:01am |
re: #337 wahabicorridor
My No. 330 was a link to jcm’s post which has a link to the transcript of the speech. It also has the YouTube link at the top.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:05:57am |
re: #339 buzzsawmonkey
That’s the Chicago NPR radio interview, isn’t it? I heard that during the campaign, and found it chilling then.
I am grateful for it now, because with summer temperatures rising and the cost of energy going up, air conditioning is getting expensive, and I can get chills at low cost.
Yes, it is.
It doesn’t chill me. To the contrary, it makes my blood boil.
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UncleRancher Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:06:10am |
So what have we learned in two millennia?
“The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance. —- Cicero, 55 BC
Evidently, nothing….
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:07:04am |
re: #343 iceweasel
I thought the Constitution was an outline for the government to limit power, not outline our personal liberties. The default setting is if it is not mentioned then the government has no business getting involved.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:07:43am |
re: #342 wahabicorridor
Must. Eat. Food.
BBL
You can’t eat whatever you want. Turn down your thermostat, too.
I wonder if FCBBHO will adjust his thermostat this summer as he did this winter. Remember he cranked it up because he’s from Hawaii and couldn’t handle the cold?
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Ojoe Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:07:45am |
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:08:23am |
re: #341 soxfan4life
Well when every news outlet people tune into is a big cheerleader for the current administration and their redistribution plans any person coming out in favor of fiscal responsibility had better be prepared to weather a shit storm of epic proportion.
I don’t know. I agree with you about the MSM— I loathe them with a flamey-white-hot passion.
It seems to me that a LOT of people would love the idea of fiscal conservatism, and that includes a lot of people on the lefty/progressive side.
Also, this is the core of the (respectable) tea party movement— Americans who want a return to fiscal conservatism. I am mystified that no-one is grabbing onto that— no party, certainly.
I think if the GOP reconfigured itself as the party of fiscal conservatism they’d draw a lot of supporters. Possibly even me.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:09:08am |
re: #347 soxfan4life
I thought the Constitution was an outline for the government to limit power, not outline our personal liberties. The default setting is if it is not mentioned then the government has no business getting involved.
Exactly! That’s what it means to say it’s a document of ‘negative liberties”.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:09:24am |
re: #349 Ojoe
Good Morning All, BBL
“Hello, I must be going!”
BTW, I loved that shot from last night.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:10:46am |
re: #354 buzzsawmonkey
You need a slight rephrase: not an outline “for the government to limit power,” but an outline of limitations on the powers of the government.
That is the genius of the Constitution. And that is what the Left rejects.
Agreed with you, until that last sentence.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:11:11am |
re: #343 iceweasel
Folks, this business about Obama calling the Constitution a document of “negative liberties” is being overblown.
What this means is that the Constitution doesn’t outline all the liberties of the American people— it proscribes certain efforts a gov’t might make to infringe some liberties. (like taking away arms, taking away religious freedom)
The default setting is that all Americans have all liberties, even the ones not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution.
The difference between negative liberties and postive liberties is the difference between a state that lets people do as they will and a state that does as it will.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:11:24am |
re: #350 iceweasel
Both major parties are so tainted that trying to become the face of fiscal responsibility won’t work for either. Some 3rd party needs to step up and be the voice of small government and fiscal conservatism.
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Ojoe Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:11:36am |
re: #327 buzzsawmonkey
It is bad that politicians have gotten ahold of the idea because we will have to get to sustainability eventually.
Yes, BBL …
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:11:59am |
re: #352 iceweasel
Exactly! That’s what it means to say it’s a document of ‘negative liberties”.
Ah, but with some of these leftists “Negative” means bad. Therefore saying negative liberties is a bad thing and must be changed.
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:12:06am |
re: #348 MandyManners
You can’t eat whatever you want. Turn down your thermostat, too.
I wonder if FCBBHO will adjust his thermostat this summer as he did this winter. Remember he cranked it up because he’s from Hawaii and couldn’t handle the cold?
How long did he live in Chicago again?
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:13:12am |
Fuckin overblown, indeed. This is not mental masturbation for PolSci 101. This goes to the heart of a totalitarian government.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:13:22am |
re: #357 soxfan4life
Both major parties are so tainted that trying to become the face of fiscal responsibility won’t work for either. Some 3rd party needs to step up and be the voice of small government and fiscal conservatism.
If they did that, and also jettisoned the social-conservative (by which I mean, Religious Right) platform that has been part of the GOP since Reagan— a third party like that would draw all the centrists, a lot of former Republicans, and a lot of people on the left. It honestly looks like a slamdunk to me.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:14:28am |
re: #361 buzzsawmonkey
I will be happy to retract that last sentence when the leftists currently in power cease attempting to micromanage our lives from healthcare to lightbulbs.
You shouldn’t conflate the term “left” with “democrat”, or “elected democrat”.
A lot of people on the left hate Democrats.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:14:33am |
re: #360 wahabicorridor
How long did he live in Chicago again?
Are you questioning his special snowflakiness?
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lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:14:38am |
Morning all.
I see we’re discussing Obama’s contempt for the Constitution. A topic that always saddens/sickens me. Any good news in the world today?
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Ojoe Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:15:13am |
re: #363 iceweasel
Check out the Modern Whig party, they are attempting just that.
I joined.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:16:22am |
re: #363 iceweasel
If they did that, and also jettisoned the social-conservative (by which I mean, Religious Right) platform that has been part of the GOP since Reagan— a third party like that would draw all the centrists, a lot of former Republicans, and a lot of people on the left. It honestly looks like a slamdunk to me.
As far as the social conservative thing goes, the most conservative social view should be live and let live. I believe we should have Justices who let states decide issues, the old Thomas Jefferson addage the government that governs least governs best.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:18:58am |
re: #370 soxfan4life
As far as the social conservative thing goes, the most conservative social view should be live and let live. I believe we should have Justices who let states decide issues, the old Thomas Jefferson addage the government that governs least governs best.
Yes.
I consider myself socially conservative.
What I want is as little government interference in my life as possible.
That means there would also be as little government interference in everybody’s life.
And we’re all free to live as conservatively or as liberally as we please.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:19:17am |
re: #370 soxfan4life
As far as the social conservative thing goes, the most conservative social view should be live and let live. I believe we should have Justices who let states decide issues, the old Thomas Jefferson addage the government that governs least governs best.
Don’t forget what Marshall said a few years later that the power to tax is the power to destroy.
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:19:56am |
re: #366 lincolntf
Any good news in the world today?
Yep. A plane from Yemen went down (Indian Ocian maybe?) with over 150 souls on board. They found a toddler alive in the water.
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irish rose Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:20:01am |
Good morning, lizards!
A rainy day here along the Lake Michigan Shoreline, with nice cool temps… a real relief from the heat and humidity that we had here last week.
How’s everyone?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:21:05am |
re: #371 buzzsawmonkey
“Left” can be conflated with “Democrat” and “elected Democrat” when, as now, the leading elected Democrats are Leftists.
That there are people even farther left, who “hate Democrats,” is no surprise; they hate most everything, beginning with themselves.
Upding.
Sometimes I wish I was inside your brain.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:21:16am |
re: #375 irish rose
Good morning, lizards!
A rainy day here along the Lake Michigan Shoreline, with nice cool temps… a real relief from the heat and humidity that we had here last week.How’s everyone?
Thhhhhhhhpppppppppppttttttttttttttt.
It’s steamy here.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:21:36am |
re: #370 soxfan4life
As far as the social conservative thing goes, the most conservative social view should be live and let live. I believe we should have Justices who let states decide issues, the old Thomas Jefferson addage the government that governs least governs best.
EXACTLY.
I’ve had this discussion with a couple of blokes here before: I think that there is actually far more overlap between true conservative views and so-called ‘left’ views than the current rhetoric admits. I blame mostly the MSM for this, but also the culture wars (the left and the right both, I mean).
Example: I think a truly conservative view, and a truly American view, which many people on the left also hold, is this principle of ‘live and let live’, a respect for individual’s rights over the state’s, and a firm commitment to privacy for individuals.
All of that has gotten warped and distorted by the partisan rhetoric, the culture wars, and the media. This fragmenting of our political discourse into “left” vs “right” is distorting all the areas where most Americans agree.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:22:12am |
re: #371 buzzsawmonkey
That there are people even farther left, who “hate Democrats,” is no surprise; they hate most everything, beginning with themselves.
That is insane.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:22:28am |
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3 wood Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:22:29am |
re: #255 iceweasel
Don’t you think it’s a good thing if the government helps replace a domicile like that, when someone is trying to sell it?
Notice the left wing spin here, implying that “the government” is going to do this with money out of the blue like manna from heaven.
Let me rephrase the proposal: “How’s about we take your personal life savings from you and help replace a domicile like that?”
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:23:32am |
re: #381 3 wood
Thank you. In just a minute she’ll tell you that you aren’t adressing what the bill really says.
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lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:23:56am |
re: #371 buzzsawmonkey
Yep.
Pretending that our current Administration isn’t made up of Leftist extremists is to deny the words, actions and histories of everyone in the White House.
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haakondahl Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:23:56am |
re: #198 soxfan4life
But he inherited a bigger mess than even he thought.*spit*
This administration has the answers to everything and the solutions to nothing.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:24:03am |
re: #381 3 wood
Notice the left wing spin here, implying that “the government” is going to do this with money out of the blue like manna from heaven.
Let me rephrase the proposal: “How’s about we take your personal life savings from you and help replace a domicile like that?”
No really they just snap their fingers and the money appears. ////
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:25:18am |
re: #372 reine.de.tout
Yes.
I consider myself socially conservative.
What I want is as little government interference in my life as possible.
That means there would also be as little government interference in everybody’s life.
And we’re all free to live as conservatively or as liberally as we please.
This is very much a position that people on the left also hold— with the exception of being personally socially liberal.
I think of the ‘noninterference’ principle as being a very american principle— I’m just pointing out that a LOT of people on ‘the left’ share it, and the current battlelines aren’t helping anyone.
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redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:25:54am |
Morning, {all y’all}
Finance, energy, health care….Obama’s checking them off his list and we’re taking it up the butt. WAKE UP, AMERICA! ! !
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:26:28am |
re: #384 haakondahl
This administration has the answers to everything and the solutions to nothing.
They have the answers, we just haven’t suffered enough yet for the administration to reveal them to us. Must soften us up with body blows before delivering the knock out punch.
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J.D. Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:26:40am |
Over the weekend, as Mark Sanford’s mistress, Maria Belen Chapur, was opening up about her affair, both the New York Times and Washington Post turned their attention to the home front, examining just how screwed the South Carolina governor is now that he’s been kicked out by his wife. Jenny Sanford, it turns out, is not only a cool customer, but she’s also apparently a smart, tough cookie who bakes cookies, a dichotomy other First Ladies (like Hillary Clinton, famously) would have argued was not possible. Jenny has kept her wits about her in the week since the affair broke, writing up a statement for herself and handing it out to reporters camped out on her lawn. She’s also given an interview to the AP, during which she said she’s given up worrying about the political future for her husband — a man whose name has been frequently mentioned for the 2012 presidential election. “His career is not a concern of mine,” Jenny Sanford told reporters camped at the end of her driveway as she left with her boys for a boat ride the other day. “He’s going to have to worry about that. I’m worried about my family and the character of my children,” she said.
Mark Sanford has enough political trouble for engaging in the affair to begin with. Critics are complaining that his behavior should merit a resignation from the governorship, if not for the affair, for the use of taxpayer funds to travel to Argentina, or the fact that he disappeared for five days without revealing his whereabouts even to his staff. If he had any hope for a strategy to recover from this, it would likely have come from the mind that crafted his first congressional run and two gubernatorial bids: that of Jenny Sanford, his wife and brilliant campaign manager.
A Georgetown-educated M&A expert who gave up her job at Lazard Freres to raise a family with Sanford, Jenny was always in charge of his political future. And now, without her, most friends say his clock is punched. “He would have never won either of his governor’s races without her — no way,” said a former Sanford spokesman. “She ran the show. He pointed the direction he wanted to go, and she was the bulldozer that cleared the path and got him there.” The “Old Testament woman with a 170 IQ” is turning her attentions elsewhere, departing the state to vacation with her kids and leaving her estranged husband to deal with the mess he created on his own.
“I think Jenny has not had these types of ambitions,” said longtime friend Cindy Mosteller. “But I think every woman in South Carolina would vote for Jenny Sanford for governor right now.” A tough, smart, values-oriented woman who knows what she’s talking about, and is recovering from a collapse in trust and idealism? Sounds like a symbol the Republican Party could really get behind.
Ironically, Without Wife and Mistress, Mark Sanford Is More Screwed Than Ever
I have deduced that Mark Sanford is a moron.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:26:51am |
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haakondahl Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:26:55am |
re: #244 iceweasel
This part of the bill is about replacing mobile homes that are 32 years or older.
“Replace” is right. You cannot upgrade much besides the toilet paper in an old trailer.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:27:20am |
re: #382 wahabicorridor
Thank you. In just a minute she’ll tell you that you aren’t adressing what the bill really says.
You’re still butthurt about being caught out not understanding what the bill said, or what others here said about it. :)
/ouch, ouch!
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:27:43am |
re: #381 3 wood
Notice the left wing spin here, implying that “the government” is going to do this with money out of the blue like manna from heaven.
Let me rephrase the proposal: “How’s about we take your personal life savings from you and help replace a domicile like that?”
What she posted is an excellent example of positive liberty.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:28:56am |
re: #392 haakondahl
“Replace” is right. You cannot upgrade much besides the toilet paper in an old trailer.
Truth. That section of the bill talks about how to recycle the old trailers, because they’re basically uninhabitable at a certain point. Not kidding.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:29:10am |
re: #372 reine.de.tout
Yes.
I consider myself socially conservative.
What I want is as little government interference in my life as possible.
That means there would also be as little government interference in everybody’s life.
And we’re all free to live as conservatively or as liberally as we please.
I want the feds outa my face, outa my house, off my property…put them in a town far away and leave me their number…I’ll call when I need them…their job is to protect Americans from our enemies, control our borders, and uphold the Constitution…there is no place for the feds in business or education or energy…keep the money supply reasonable and the banking system honest…a few regs here and there…maintain federal land and give me access to it…a few other piddly chores and that’s about it….you serve me Uncle Sam, not the other way around
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3 wood Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:30:00am |
By the way, The SEC is still not doing anything about “naked short selling” and even the Democrats are starting to criticize them:
Ted Kaufman to SEC: Do your job
The junior senator from Delaware is not happy with the Securities and Exchange Commission.“I would like [SEC Chairwoman] Mary Schapiro and the folks over there to do their job. I just would like them to do their job,” Democratic Sen. Ted Kaufman told POLITICO.
Kaufman and several other lawmakers say that the SEC has failed to curb abusive, so-called naked short selling, in which a person sells a stock short — betting the price will fall — without borrowing the shares beforehand and then failing to give them to the buyer within the customary three days.
This practice contrasts with conventional short selling, in which a trader sells a stock borrowed from a third party with the expectation of buying it back at a lower price.
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:30:20am |
re: #393 iceweasel
You’re still butthurt about being caught out not understanding what the bill said, or what others here said about it. :)
/ouch, ouch!
nope. just watching you move the goal posts. 3 wood can read the comments here for himself.
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lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:31:19am |
re: #396 albusteve
It’s that kind of attitude that makes no sense to the Lefties. They are convinced that the Government is the answer to everything and that anyone who doesn’t like being micro-governed is some sort of nutjob.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:31:34am |
re: #398 wahabicorridor
nope. just watching you move the goal posts. 3 wood can read the comments here for himself.
As can everyone else.
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:31:35am |
re: #390 J.D.
I have deduced that Mark Sanford is a moron.
Tell me again why she married him? Hell, elect Jenny…………………
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J.D. Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:33:03am |
re: #402 wahabicorridor
Tell me again why she married him? Hell, elect Jenny…………………
I like her! She’s smarter, stronger, excellent values, …
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haakondahl Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:33:25am |
re: #374 wahabicorridor
Yep. A plane from Yemen went down (Indian Ocian maybe?) with over 150 souls on board. They found a toddler alive in the water.
Amazing! Got my fingers crossed for more survivors.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:33:58am |
re: #402 wahabicorridor
Tell me again why she married him? Hell, elect Jenny…………………
Only one way that will work. And it won’t be by being pro-life or Conservative.
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FrogMarch Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:34:05am |
re: #354 buzzsawmonkey
You need a slight rephrase: not an outline “for the government to limit power,” but an outline of limitations on the powers of the government.
That is the genius of the Constitution. And that is what the Left rejects.
Absolutely.
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turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:35:06am |
re: #403 buzzsawmonkey
Later.
dang, I just got here and buzz says later. Good morning everyone. Another of the diddly chores the government should be tasked with is desease control albusive.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:35:35am |
re: #400 lincolntf
It’s that kind of attitude that makes no sense to the Lefties. They are convinced that the Government is the answer to everything and that anyone who doesn’t like being micro-governed is some sort of nutjob.
the I am a nutjob supreme…the feds will consume you if you let them…for your own good of course
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turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:36:01am |
re: #401 iceweasel
Morning ice, hey how did you get your nic anyway?
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:36:41am |
re: #410 albusteve
the I am a nutjob supreme…the feds will consume you if you let them…for your own good of course
Positive liberty.
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turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:36:57am |
re: #405 haakondahl
Amazing! Got my fingers crossed for more survivors.
wow, I didn’t know that, that child is blessed.
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3 wood Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:37:02am |
By the way, part of “noninterferance” by the government re: #396 albusteve
I want the feds outa my face, outa my house, off my property..
I would add to that “outa my pocketbook”.
I find it amusing when certain lefties talk big about non-interference by government in their lives, but they are the first ones to support taxing you (but not themselves) to pay for government services for themselves.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:38:22am |
re: #406 soxfan4life
Only one way that will work. And it won’t be by being pro-life or Conservative.
Why do you think Jenny never ran herself? She seems like such a smart, well-qualified person….
(I admit I never paid attention to SC politics until this Sanford thing, so there’s lots I don’t know)
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turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:39:15am |
re: #415 iceweasel
Well there was the thing about raising four boys to contend with.
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:39:28am |
re: #412 MandyManners
Positive liberty.
You know what I think the libtards think is the biggest ‘sin’? Anything that could possibly provoke envy
I have to work on the idea a bit more.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:40:07am |
re: #414 3 wood
By the way, part of “noninterferance” by the government
I would add to that “outa my pocketbook”.
I find it amusing when certain lefties talk big about non-interference by government in their lives, but they are the first ones to support taxing you (but not themselves) to pay for government services for themselves.
we owe the govt nothing…only what we see fit to give them to do their job…I utterly reject the notion that the feds can sneak around into my private finances, then steal whatever they see fit
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turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:40:28am |
re: #416 turn
Well Palin dealt with that, so Jenny could have done it.
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:40:28am |
HEY!
Where’s realwest? He’s late……………..
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razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:41:31am |
I’m sitting on the porch and the outside kitty comes up and starts weaving back and forth between my ankles wanting to know if I want to rub her head, or scratch her tummy, or idly scratch her under her ears.
The Big Boy comes tearing down out of the woods to chase her off. He doesn’t want his head rubbed, or his tummy scratched, or to be idly scratched under his ears.
He just doesn’t want me to pay attention to that other kitty.
There may be a lesson to be learned right there. Or I may just be projecting my ire onto a dumb animal.
Your choice.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:41:42am |
An age is called Dark not because the light fails to shine, but because people refuse to see it. — James A. Michener
Don’ gimme that #%@$& cr*p, you �@$% !
/’tis better to light a single rant, than be confused by the light … :D
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:41:56am |
re: #415 iceweasel
Why do you think Jenny never ran herself? She seems like such a smart, well-qualified person….
(I admit I never paid attention to SC politics until this Sanford thing, so there’s lots I don’t know)
Probably staying home raising the kids by choice. But if she were to run the media would crucify her if she came out at all like Sarah Palin. Funny how an actual Chief Executive (Gov.Palin) can be considered unqualified, but the spouse of a former Chief Executive (HRC) is considered ready to lead on day 1.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:42:37am |
re: #417 wahabicorridor
You know what I think the libtards think is the biggest ‘sin’? Anything that could possibly provoke envy
I have to work on the idea a bit more.
Bingo. It’s part of the thought process behind FCBBHO saying that we shouldn’t eat or use energy in ways that are out of line with the rest of the world.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:42:38am |
re: #411 turn
Morning ice, hey how did you get your nic anyway?
hey turn, what’s up?
nic isn’t interesting. Needed something fast when I caught an open reg (finally). Went with a quote from Matt Groening, creator of the Simpsons, from his earlier comic.
Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:43:45am |
re: #421 razorbacker
I’m sitting on the porch and the outside kitty comes up and starts weaving back and forth between my ankles wanting to know if I want to rub her head, or scratch her tummy, or idly scratch her under her ears.
The Big Boy comes tearing down out of the woods to chase her off. He doesn’t want his head rubbed, or his tummy scratched, or to be idly scratched under his ears.
He just doesn’t want me to pay attention to that other kitty.
There may be a lesson to be learned right there. Or I may just be projecting my ire onto a dumb animal.
Your choice.
You’re onto something.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:44:17am |
re: #423 soxfan4life
Probably staying home raising the kids by choice. But if she were to run the media would crucify her if she came out at all like Sarah Palin. Funny how an actual Chief Executive (Gov.Palin) can be considered unqualified, but the spouse of a former Chief Executive (HRC) is considered ready to lead on day 1.
they know that isn’t true…the art of politics is to convince others that the lies you cook up are the truth…
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:45:04am |
re: #426 MandyManners
You’re onto something.
Is that why all these dictators are raising up, not so much for the attention, but to keep 0 from giving another one the attention.
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redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:45:15am |
re: #421 razorbacker
Hey, razorbacker
I was up there on Bull Shoals last week and got ate up by black flies. Is that a regular thing up there?
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turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:47:04am |
re: #425 iceweasel
wow, needed to come up with a quick nic and you remembered some arcane quote from the Simpson’s. ha, that’s why I could only come up with turn real quick, my nicname in real life. Hey, I’m fine. You sure are posting a lot lately, you are a fine writer. Funny story, midwestgak was so excited to register she screwed up “midwestgal”.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:47:51am |
re: #428 soxfan4life
Is that why all these dictators are raising up, not so much for the attention, but to keep 0 from giving another one the attention.
Freud might say it’s some bad paternal bonding.
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:48:02am |
re: #424 MandyManners
Bingo. It’s part of the thought process behind FCBBHO saying that we shouldn’t eat or use energy in ways that are out of line with the rest of the world.
Zero-sum attitudes have a close relationship to envy: if someone’s success necessarily diminishes others, then any success will elicit envy, and, in many cases, mobilize forces to bring down the haughty ones. Envy, like shame, may be peculiarly human, and play a key role in our evolution. As an individual phenomenon, it is hard to track since, being an admission of inadequacy in relationship to the person envied, few people want to admit to feeling envy. As a social phenomenon – i.e. collective envy – it may play an important role in distribution of wealth by forcing those with a great deal to share. In some tribes, hunter-gatherers hide food and eat it alone at night in order not to lose the “lion’s share” to envious neighbors who demand their share.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:50:09am |
re: #431 turn
Good thing I didn’t use one of my RL nics, would have been jumped on as possibly trollish. :)
/Going with the nic of Mutant is fun.
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opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:51:03am |
re: #343 iceweasel
Folks, this business about Obama calling the Constitution a document of “negative liberties” is being overblown.
What this means is that the Constitution doesn’t outline all the liberties of the American people— it proscribes certain efforts a gov’t might make to infringe some liberties. (like taking away arms, taking away religious freedom)
The default setting is that all Americans have all liberties, even the ones not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution.
He also lamented that the Constitution does not address Economic Justice which means Reditribution of Wealth.
I know that he is considered a Constitutional scholar in some quarters, but to me he shows a misunderstanding of the intent of the framers.
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razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:51:17am |
re: #429 redstateredneck
Hey, razorbacker
I was up there on Bull Shoals last week and got ate up by black flies. Is that a regular thing up there?
Only if you are outside, or inside.
I shall, for the sake of your self-esteem, not mention the natural food of black flies;)
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:52:18am |
re: #431 turn
That’s hilarious! I didn’t know that about midwest gak. :)
Turn is a very cool nickname, actually— in real life even more so.
I can’t take total praise for the ‘iceweasel’ ref. It’s weird, the lefty/prog sphere has wildly different references and cultural touchstones than the right, or even here. There are several commentators i’ve seen using ‘iceweasel’ or referring to that quote on the left. Weird!
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turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:52:28am |
whoa, Simon Cowell offered $144 mil. That’s insane, damn Walter does a much better job of being critical and he lives in a friggin 500 sq ft apartment. Life just isn’t fair.
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realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:52:29am |
Good Morning y’all - from a warm (74 degrees going up to 90 degrees) bright and sunny Charloot!
How is everyone doing this morning?
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:52:42am |
re: #435 opnion
who better to attack it than a so called Constitutional scholar.
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:53:42am |
re: #439 realwest
Good Morning y’all - from a warm (74 degrees going up to 90 degrees) bright and sunny Charloot!
How is everyone doing this morning?
about fucking time (see my #470)
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albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:53:43am |
re: #435 opnion
He also lamented that the Constitution does not address Economic Justice which means Reditribution of Wealth.
I know that he is considered a Constitutional scholar in some quarters, but to me he shows a misunderstanding of the intent of the framers.
he knows…he’s a hard core Marxist, and since few Americans understand the Con at all he can get away with this juvenile nonsense…in that regard he is very crude, hardly the slick talker many consider him….truthfully, as we’ve seen lately, he got no game…just blabola
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turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:54:24am |
re: #434 BlueCanuck
Mutant? you’re kidding. My boys actually call me dicdo, hey they say it with respect.
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:54:40am |
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realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:55:02am |
re: #441 wahabicorridor
Uh, ok, just as soon as we get to #470 I’ll be sure to see what you have to say!
Otherwise good morning to you too wahabi!
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redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:55:03am |
re: #436 razorbacker
Only if you are outside, or inside.
I shall, for the sake of your self-esteem, not mention the natural food of black flies;)
Thank you for your consideration!
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:55:19am |
re: #433 wahabicorridor
I love this quote: When envy dominates a culture, its members mobilize against success. As the saying goes, “the higher up the pole you get, the more your ass is visible.”
Have we become a nation of crabs in a trap?
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:55:38am |
re: #442 albusteve
His “game” is as weak as his bowling ability. Sad that so many took the bait with this commie bastard.
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redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:56:00am |
re: #439 realwest
Good Morning y’all - from a warm (74 degrees going up to 90 degrees) bright and sunny Charloot!
How is everyone doing this morning?
Hiya, {real!
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:56:18am |
re: #423 soxfan4life
Probably staying home raising the kids by choice. But if she were to run the media would crucify her if she came out at all like Sarah Palin. Funny how an actual Chief Executive (Gov.Palin) can be considered unqualified, but the spouse of a former Chief Executive (HRC) is considered ready to lead on day 1.
I don’t know. She had the degrees and the connections to run before the kids even happened. I don’t know what choices she made, thought you might have some insight.
I can give you some smackdown on your comments about HRC if you want. :)
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:56:28am |
re: #438 turn
whoa, Simon Cowell offered $144 mil. That’s insane, damn Walter does a much better job of being critical and he lives in a friggin 500 sq ft apartment. Life just isn’t fair.
Moving by Aug. 1st, 23 miles west and UP from Golden, into the Rocky Mountains, will have a bit more room, and a lovely girlfriend, who I very much want to be with.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:56:31am |
re: #435 opnion
He also lamented that the Constitution does not address Economic Justice which means Reditribution of Wealth.
I know that he is considered a Constitutional scholar in some quarters, but to me he shows a misunderstanding of the intent of the framers.
I think he understands the intent of the framers. He’s rooted in a philosophy that is diametrically opposed to theirs.
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turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:57:09am |
re: #437 iceweasel
Yeah, I’ve always remembered that about “gal”, which is what I call her. I was going to google iceweasle, that is wierd - a lefty thing? Hey you ever post at kos or the other lefty blogs?
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redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:57:17am |
re: #451 Walter L. Newton
Moving by Aug. 1st, 23 miles west and UP from Golden, into the Rocky Mountains, will have a bit more room, and a lovely girlfriend, who I very much want to be with.
Sounds lovely, congratulations!
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razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:57:37am |
re: #446 redstateredneck
Thank you for your consideration!
I am nothing if not considerate of the tender feelings of others.
I stand foursquare with the Constitutional rights of others not to have their feeling hurt. I forget just where in that document that particular right is enshrined, but I’m sure that it must be there.
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:57:44am |
re: #451 Walter L. Newton
Moving by Aug. 1st, 23 miles west and UP from Golden, into the Rocky Mountains, will have a bit more room, and a lovely girlfriend, who I very much want to be with.
Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:57:45am |
re: #443 turn
That was the short form. Got it in my reserves days when I was much younger. Full version is, “The Grey and Simcoe Forester Original Party Mutant”. The opposite of a party animal. :)
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Spartacus50 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:57:52am |
Honduras seems like a nice place to move to now
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Erik The Red Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:58:28am |
re: #434 BlueCanuck
Hey Blue 2 days and counting. I am now starting to get amped.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:58:47am |
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realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:58:52am |
re: #449 redstateredneck
Hi {red} - what the hell is going on here? I only get a half a hug from you and my friend the mystic wahabi tells me to go look at a post number we haven’t even reached yet!
Geez.
BBIAM - I really need a second cup of coffee today!
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:59:16am |
re: #459 Erik The Red
Hey Erik. I bet everyone here is waiting for you with bated breath. More lizards on the day shift will be fun.
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pingjockey Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:59:53am |
Mornin’ folks. How many newbies did we get last night?
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:00:07am |
re: #453 turn
Yeah, I’ve always remembered that about “gal”, which is what I call her. I was going to google iceweasle, that is wierd - a lefty thing? Hey you ever post at kos or the other lefty blogs?
If you google iceweasel you’ll also find out that it’s what Linux users call their version of Firefox (so people here have told me, i guess?)
I read a ton of lefty/prog blogs, but not Kos. And I don’t find it useful to post anywhere other than here.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:00:26am |
re: #450 iceweasel
I don’t know. She had the degrees and the connections to run before the kids even happened. I don’t know what choices she made, thought you might have some insight.
I can give you some smackdown on your comments about HRC if you want. :)
Please do. I would like to hear how a spouse of a Chief Executive is considered ready to lead, but an actual Chief executive is not. If you don’t like her fine, but there is really no legitimate argument that can be made. What did HRC learn all ablout being a Chief Executive from sleeping with one? What kind of argument could be made for Todd Palin being ready to lead, he has the same executive experience Hillary had.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:00:31am |
re: #448 soxfan4life
His “game” is as weak as his bowling ability. Sad that so many took the bait with this commie bastard.
people are stupid…some here even think he’s doing a good job with the economy…
[Link: www.flickr.com…]
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redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:00:34am |
re: #461 realwest
Hi {red} - what the hell is going on here? I only get a half a hug from you
Oops, here’s the other arm}
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turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:00:40am |
re: #439 realwest
Good Morning y’all - from a warm (74 degrees going up to 90 degrees) bright and sunny Charloot!
How is everyone doing this morning?
Morning real, suddenly feel right at home here at LGF. How ya doing buddy? Hey get this, Sac went from 107 high to 62 last night. We have this beautiful delta breeze that cools things down at night. It gets brutal when there is an inversion layer that sets into the valley and blocks the breeze but so far this year haven’t had that. Actually been a beautiful summer so far.
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:00:48am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that prosecutors are preparing to indict 10 more in the Madoff Ponzi scheme. I expect that number to include some family members, his accountants, and perhaps some of the banks involved based on what they knew or had reason to know about the scheme.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:01:11am |
re: #451 Walter L. Newton
Moving by Aug. 1st, 23 miles west and UP from Golden, into the Rocky Mountains, will have a bit more room, and a lovely girlfriend, who I very much want to be with.
life is good…
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Erik The Red Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:01:26am |
re: #462 BlueCanuck
Like I said before the Day Walkers are going to be new for me. May keep a low profile for a while. :)
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pingjockey Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:02:05am |
Gen. Odiniero(sp) having a press conf. right now.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:02:35am |
re: #465 soxfan4life
Please do. I would like to hear how a spouse of a Chief Executive is considered ready to lead, but an actual Chief executive is not. If you don’t like her fine, but there is really no legitimate argument that can be made. What did HRC learn all ablout being a Chief Executive from sleeping with one? What kind of argument could be made for Todd Palin being ready to lead, he has the same executive experience Hillary had.
HRC was a Senator for a long time before she was a Pres candidate. That’d be her qualification for running for the Dem nomination.
Maybe you mean to ask, why was she qualified to run for Senate? That would be a diff q, and somewhat more legitimate.
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turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:02:40am |
re: #457 BlueCanuck
haha. Where would we be in life without nicnames anyway? I don’t know why I even bother naming my children or pets, I go throughout life calling them something else entirely. Hey are you in Toronto?
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:02:57am |
re: #471 Erik The Red
Just jump right on in. There are a few of us that were once night walkers, and twilight folk that you won’t get hammered. Besides did you see the limerick/Haiku thread yesterday afternoon?
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:03:19am |
re: #469 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that prosecutors are preparing to indict 10 more in the Madoff Ponzi scheme. I expect that number to include some family members, his accountants, and perhaps some of the banks involved based on what they knew or had reason to know about the scheme.
I’m now convinced that Madoff is a malignant narcissist.
I wonder if prosecutors are going after Mark and Andrew? Will Ruth be allowed to keep all her money? Will she find a salon that will keep her tresses highlighted?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:03:45am |
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opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:04:02am |
re: #440 soxfan4life
who better to attack it than a so called Constitutional scholar.
I fear that the Dear Leader read the document, but failed to grasp the intent.
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Erik The Red Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:04:07am |
re: #475 BlueCanuck
No I have not had much time to spend here lately :( I will go have a look.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:04:11am |
re: #451 Walter L. Newton
Moving by Aug. 1st, 23 miles west and UP from Golden, into the Rocky Mountains, will have a bit more room, and a lovely girlfriend, who I very much want to be with.
Congrats, Walter. That sounds terrific.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:04:17am |
re: #474 turn
Yes I am. Lovely city when the inside and outside workers aren’t on strike. Don’t recommend it for tourists at the moment. Maybe in a month or so. How come garbage workers always go on strike in the summer?
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realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:04:46am |
re: #463 pingjockey
Hey good morning ping! I don’t know how many but we got at least one who is a probable keeper, but other than remembering her name starts with an “F” and is something like Fiora I can’t remember much else! LOL!
(just started second cup of coffee!).
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:04:51am |
re: #477 Walter L. Newton
Yes, better than good.
Good Morning Lizards!
Walter..That is wonderful news!
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lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:04:53am |
re: #465 soxfan4life
Hillary’s elevation to the Senate and now the Cabinet had zero to do with any qualifications she may or may not have. The MSM branded her “the smartest woman in America” and people swallowed it whole. Just like they branded Palin a ditz and the people never questioned it.
Hillary’s one chance to prove how smart she was came in her massive health care “reform” scheme, which was promptly laughed out of existence by everyone who read it. She’s an empty vessel whose only real accomplishment was destroying the lives of the women her husband abused.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:04:58am |
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Erik The Red Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:05:16am |
re: #475 BlueCanuck
Not too worried about getting hammered. I have been around for awhile and will choose my battles wisely.
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turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:05:21am |
re: #451 Walter L. Newton
Moving by Aug. 1st, 23 miles west and UP from Golden, into the Rocky Mountains, will have a bit more room, and a lovely girlfriend, who I very much want to be with.
I’m glad for you Walter. excellent! Is that closer to Blackhawk?
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razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:05:42am |
re: #473 iceweasel
HRC was a Senator for a long time before she was a Pres candidate. That’d be her qualification for running for the Dem nomination.
Maybe you mean to ask, why was she qualified to run for Senate? That would be a diff q, and somewhat more legitimate.
Especially if you compare her tenure with PGI Obama.
Now, why New York state, one might wonder.
I suppose it was her long association with that state. And her long-time residence there.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:05:43am |
re: #483 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
Walter..That is wonderful news!
Morning, thanks, I’ll give you the contact particulars in a private email in the next month.
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Erik The Red Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:05:51am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:06:05am |
re: #465 soxfan4life
What did HRC learn all ablout being a Chief Executive from sleeping with one?
Lewinsky/Flowers 2012!
/////
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pingjockey Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:06:12am |
re: #482 realwest
Heh, me too. There was one who came on in full blown rant and tried to slide in nirther crap. Stinky got it. Charles said it was a socky.
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lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:06:29am |
re: #489 Walter L. Newton
Random question brought on by your post about moving…do you ski?
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MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:06:57am |
re: #463 pingjockey
Mornin’ folks. How many newbies did we get last night?
One barely got its head out of the shell before Stinky had to stomp on it.
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redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:07:23am |
re: #476 MandyManners
I’m now convinced that Madoff is a malignant narcissist.
I wonder if prosecutors are going after Mark and Andrew? Will Ruth be allowed to keep all her money? Will she find a salon that will keep her tresses highlighted?
She gets to keep around 2 million. Had to give up the homes. That’s like abject poverty for her.
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Erik The Red Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:07:31am |
re: #495 MandyManners
One barely got its head out of the shell before Stinky had to stomp on it.
LOL.
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realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:07:43am |
re: #468 turn
Morning turn! We went from 92 to 62 yesterday/when I woke up this morning!
BTW, who is Simon Crowell and what did he offer $144 million for!
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:07:50am |
re: #486 Erik The Red
Not too worried about getting hammered. I have been around for awhile and will choose my battles wisely.
2 Days! I’d be excited also…Good luck!
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opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:07:55am |
re: #452 MandyManners
I think he understands the intent of the framers. He’s rooted in a philosophy that is diametrically opposed to theirs.
Yeah, actually I agree with you. Obama would have preferred that Adams, Franklin, Jefferson & Monroe ETAL acted as the Vanguard of the Proletariat. He fails to ackowledge the enlightened aspects of the Consitution , but points out its failings as he sees it.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:08:18am |
re: #473 iceweasel
Being a Senator 1 out of 100 for 1 term gives you 0 executive experience.She was reelected and immediately began running for President. What type of experience did that give her working with a legislature, managing a budget( which was later shown she was only slightly better than 0bama or Bush at doing), or making a tough decision? So again she had as much or little executive experience as Todd Palin, the only difference is she was embraced and considered ready to lead and he would be laughed away and considered a joke.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:08:21am |
An age is called Dark not because the light fails to shine, but because people refuse to see it.— James A. Michener
Damn river.
- Pasquinel (Centennial)
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Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:08:37am |
Buzzsawmonkey and iceweasel, you guys around?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:08:54am |
re: #487 turn
I’m glad for you Walter. excellent! Is that closer to Blackhawk?
No, in the general direction of South Park., in an undisclosed location. We have access to most of the secret tunnels that run out of Denver International Airport and up under the Rocky Mountains. I will be able to park my black helicopter right next to the house. And being that I will be at about 8000 feet, my transceiver, which is built into a coffee grinder, will be able to have a clearer signal when I have to contact the Jewish Zionist Cabal.
/
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turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:09:34am |
re: #464 iceweasel
cool, yeah there are some incredibly smart and experienced people here. I’ve learned so much, it’s almost like I could have skipped college and just hung out here.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:09:41am |
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albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:10:04am |
re: #503 soxfan4life
Being a Senator 1 out of 100 for 1 term gives you 0 executive experience.She was reelected and immediately began running for President. What type of experience did that give her working with a legislature, managing a budget( which was later shown she was only slightly better than 0bama or Bush at doing), or making a tough decision? So again she had as much or little executive experience as Todd Palin, the only difference is she was embraced and considered ready to lead and he would be laughed away and considered a joke.
I wanted to say that…senators make miserable presidents, when one gets elected….I would love to see a POTUS come out of the House
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realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:10:26am |
re: #483 HoosierHoops
Good morning Hoops - hope you’re well today! And to WALTER L. NEWTON
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:10:47am |
re: #494 lincolntf
Random question brought on by your post about moving…do you ski?
Only downhill, when I slip and there is a pair of skis near by… no, really, I did back in the 60’s, but I haven’t been up on skis since then. Skied in North Jersey when I was growing up, which I don’t think is anything like the hills here in Colorado.
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pingjockey Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:10:48am |
One lessons from MJs death. Don’t have a house so big you can’t yell for help!
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avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:10:51am |
re: #473 iceweasel
HRC was a Senator for a long time before she was a Pres candidate. That’d be her qualification for running for the Dem nomination.
Maybe you mean to ask, why was she qualified to run for Senate? That would be a diff q, and somewhat more legitimate.
Morning all. Not only was HRC a Senator, she was a popular one and well respected by both sides for her work in the senate. She was and is, far more then just the spouse of a POTUS, like her politics or not.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:11:51am |
re: #509 albusteve
I’d love to see a POTUS come from a successful business.
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legalpad Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:12:15am |
re: #458 Spartacus50
Honduras seems like a nice place to move to now
What is interesting is that my son went there with a National Guard unit to help train somebody almost a year ago, or something like that. This coffee I am drinking is from Honduras.
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pingjockey Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:12:23am |
re: #513 avanti
You are right. She was a crook, cattle futures, a cheat, white water, and a snoop, travelgate. She is much more than just a senator!
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:12:39am |
re: #506 Walter L. Newton
No, in the general direction of South Park., in an undisclosed location. We have access to most of the secret tunnels that run out of Denver International Airport and up under the Rocky Mountains. I will be able to park my black helicopter right next to the house. And being that I will be at about 8000 feet, my transceiver, which is built into a coffee grinder, will be able to have a clearer signal when I have to contact the Jewish Zionist Cabal.
/
You didn’t say what your transceiver is really disguised as, did you?
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lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:12:50am |
re: #511 Walter L. Newton
I’ve always wanted to try skiing in Colorado. I’m an intermediate skier and the thought of the Rockies is intimidating. I’ll have to give it a try some day.
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redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:12:52am |
re: #514 soxfan4life
I’d love to see a POTUS come from a successful business.
There will be no successful businesses when Obama gets through.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:13:14am |
re: #510 realwest
Good morning Hoops - hope you’re well today! And to WALTER L. NEWTON
Good Morning Realwest.. I am doing well today…Just sitting here in my cube waiting for something to happen..Like a phone call or something…
Crickets…Guess I’ll blog then…
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:13:40am |
re: #513 avanti
With 0 executive experience, being 1 out 100 versus being the one where the buck stops is a huge difference as our current President is finding out daily much to our detriment.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:13:58am |
re: #476 MandyManners
I’m now convinced that Madoff is a malignant narcissist.
I wonder if prosecutors are going after Mark and Andrew? Will Ruth be allowed to keep all her money? Will she find a salon that will keep her tresses highlighted?
Maddy— I don’t know if you’ve been reading these reports on Ruth Madoff? Ok, this place (the daily beast) really is a gossip factory, but still….
Much, much more.
Again, the Daily Beast is in part the National enquirer for NYC’s Upper East Side/Wall Street — but I’d go look there first for Ruth Madoff news, from what I hear.
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avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:13:59am |
re: #516 pingjockey
You are right. She was a crook, cattle futures, a cheat, white water, and a snoop, travelgate. She is much more than just a senator!
Yea, we spent 10 of millions of tax dollars trying to prove that and came up empty.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:14:10am |
re: #516 pingjockey
You are right. She was a crook, cattle futures, a cheat, white water, and a snoop, travelgate. She is much more than just a senator!
she and Bill very likely have blood on their hands…jus sayin…two of the most despicable people around…white trash
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turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:14:13am |
re: #469 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that prosecutors are preparing to indict 10 more in the Madoff Ponzi scheme. I expect that number to include some family members, his accountants, and perhaps some of the banks involved based on what they knew or had reason to know about the scheme.
I want to know what the frik he did with that 13 bil dollars. How the hell can you stash that much money? I sure hope those people get something back. Another thing, how the hell did the SEC ever let this thing go unnoticed? There is all this talk about limited government here the morning, who the hell needs them if they are going to just sit there asleep at the switch anyway.
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pingjockey Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:14:50am |
re: #523 avanti
I know, I know. She totally creeps me out.
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legalpad Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:15:08am |
re: #451 Walter L. Newton
Moving by Aug. 1st, 23 miles west and UP from Golden, into the Rocky Mountains, will have a bit more room, and a lovely girlfriend, who I very much want to be with.
Walter, I am vicariously enjoying that part of your life.
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realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:15:33am |
re: #510 realwest
What the bleep was that? Hey WALTER - congratulations on the GF and the move! Hope this makes it all the way into the comments!
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lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:15:53am |
re: #513 avanti
She wasn’t “popular” enough to get elected anywhere that she actually lived, if you’ll recall.
Can you think of any notable achievements from her 20+ years in public life? I can’t.
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Gang of One Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:16:43am |
re: #377 MandyManners
Thhhhhhhhpppppppppppttttttttttttttt.
It’s steamy here.
I get the feeling it’s steamy wherever you are. :>)
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FrogMarch Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:16:53am |
re: #514 soxfan4life
I’d love to see a POTUS come from a successful business.
Private sector bona fides: I think it should be a requirement.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:16:56am |
re: #518 lincolntf
I’ve always wanted to try skiing in Colorado. I’m an intermediate skier and the thought of the Rockies is intimidating. I’ll have to give it a try some day.
don’t let it…there are runs nearly a mile long that just noodle along…skiing in the mountains is an awsome experience the first few times…you don’t have to get over your head if you don’t want to…but the quality of the snow will make you feel confident
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pingjockey Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:16:56am |
Hey kids…fireworks are dangerous.
Heh. We go to the reservation to get our fireworks.
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lawhawk Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:17:33am |
re: #476 MandyManners
I’m now convinced that Madoff is a malignant narcissist.
I wonder if prosecutors are going after Mark and Andrew? Will Ruth be allowed to keep all her money? Will she find a salon that will keep her tresses highlighted?
She was allowed to keep $2.5 million or so. That’s about it. Everything else was tied directly or indirectly to the ill-gotten gains of the scheme to defraud investors.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the sons get indicted, and the Madoff sentencing should provide incentive for others to turn state’s evidence against each other and further unravel the mess.
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Erik The Red Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:18:16am |
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albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:18:32am |
re: #523 avanti
Yea, we spent 10 of millions of tax dollars trying to prove that and came up empty.
witnesses vanished…people in Ark know what went down….some are bought off and still out there
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jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:18:48am |
Pet Peeve vent!
When you get on the freeway it’s called an….
ACCELERATION LANE
not a stop and wait for a quarter mile long gap in traffic lane!
ARRRRGGGGHHH!
/vent off.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:19:00am |
re: #505 Throbert McGee
Buzzsawmonkey and iceweasel, you guys around?
Hey throbert!
I’m here, buzzsaw had to take off. Did you get to do that post you were thinking about?
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pingjockey Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:19:06am |
There is some of the dmandest crap on FNC. Seems some girl didn’t make the cheer squad and her moms friend took a taser to the coach!
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avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:19:18am |
re: #519 redstateredneck
There will be no successful businesses when Obama gets through.
I get that you guys disagree with his politics, but I’ve never seen such a divide between hope on one side, and despair on the other. The majority of the country likes the POTUS, and the job he’s doing and just because you disagree does not mean you are doomed. I disagreed with Bush most of the time, but lived through 8 years with the country headed in his direction, you’ll survive 8 with Obama’s direction.
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turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:19:22am |
re: #481 BlueCanuck
Yes I am. Lovely city when the inside and outside workers aren’t on strike. Don’t recommend it for tourists at the moment. Maybe in a month or so. How come garbage workers always go on strike in the summer?
I visited Toronto a year ago, had a blast. My buddy took me to my very first trip ever to a titty bar (yeah I know, I live a boring life). Got hammered on Stella, that beer seemed so fresh up there. Drove to the Niagara Falls, what a sight! Much better from the Canadian side no doubt. Man, if they could only harness all that energy going over those falls.
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realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:19:31am |
re: #535 pingjockey
Hey ping, didja get my e-mail from early this AM!
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jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:19:35am |
re: #533 FrogMarch
Private sector bona fides: I think it should be a requirement.
Right now I’d take one from a failed business….
(Truman)
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razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:19:37am |
re: #531 lincolntf
She wasn’t “popular” enough to get elected anywhere that she actually lived, if you’ll recall.
Can you think of any notable achievements from her 20+ years in public life? I can’t.
Oh, you cynical, cynical cynic, you.
I’ll have you know that when Mrs. Clinton was first lady of my fine state that she made it her single-minded goal to bring Arkansas’ education establishment up to world class standards.
We bask in the reflected glow even to this very day.
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wintercat Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:19:57am |
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pingjockey Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:20:13am |
re: #539 jcm
Ha! I hate driving on I-5 from Vancouver to Blaine. Idiots do not know how to merge.
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:20:24am |
re: #531 lincolntf
She wasn’t “popular” enough to get elected anywhere that she actually lived, if you’ll recall.
Can you think of any notable achievements from her 20+ years in public life? I can’t.
Here’s the not so impressive list. These two at the bottom are probably the most notable.
Then there are two very important points that are not often included in her ‘achievements’, but nevertheless deserve to be highlighted -
Senator Hillary Clinton’s vote supporting the War in Iraq.
Senator Hillary Clinton’s vote against the humanitarian amendment bill to ban cluster bombs.
It is worthwhile to note how someone who had the intelligence to get into an Ivy League school and who often touts her concern for children’s welfare has neither the sense nor the compassion to use her voting powers to end the preventable deaths and maiming of children in Iraq, Afghanistan and many African countries.
[Link: www.buzzle.com…]
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realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:21:18am |
re: #539 jcm
Hey good morning jcm! How are you this morning?
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Honorary Yooper Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:21:20am |
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legalpad Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:21:33am |
Thunderstorms here. Stupid Austin electric may lose power again.
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lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:22:08am |
re: #542 avanti
8 years of Obama? You’re whistling past the graveyard on that one. No matter how popular you think he is, his failures will hit all voters equally and the “middle” that won him the election will be more than happy to give him the boot in 2012.
Fool me once…
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:22:25am |
re: #553 legalpad
Thunderstorms here. Stupid Austin electric may lose power again.
Once cap and trade passes you’ll be begging for power outages.
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iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:22:32am |
re: #525 turn
I want to know what the frik he did with that 13 bil dollars. How the hell can you stash that much money? I sure hope those people get something back. Another thing, how the hell did the SEC ever let this thing go unnoticed? There is all this talk about limited government here the morning, who the hell needs them if they are going to just sit there asleep at the switch anyway.
He spent a LOT of it, and his investment business was essentially a Ponzi scheme— so the new money flowing in from new investors went straight into paying the old investors the dividends they expected on the money they had invested— which had already been stolen by Madoff.
Like every Ponzi scheme — it only stays aloft as long as you have a constant influx of gullible and rich new investors.
| 557 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:22:42am |
re: #542 avanti
I get that you guys disagree with his politics, but I’ve never seen such a divide between hope on one side, and despair on the other. The majority of the country likes the POTUS, and the job he’s doing and just because you disagree does not mean you are doomed. I disagreed with Bush most of the time, but lived through 8 years with the country headed in his direction, you’ll survive 8 with Obama’s direction.
We’ll discuss it in 8 years (hopefully 4).
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FrogMarch Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:22:50am |
re: #417 wahabicorridor
You know what I think the libtards think is the biggest ‘sin’? Anything that could possibly provoke envy
I have to work on the idea a bit more.
“profit” bad – “non-profit” good. (never mind the tax cheating and the corruption)
They left hate the rich, they hate Wall Street, yet they love making money in the stock market. They love taxing the rich, (taxing the rich is their answer to everything!) yet they fail to see their own hypocritical standards. They are unable to see the correlation between private sector growth and a strong economy that helps bring everyone up. No – virtually all business is considered an “evil corporation” and is by default — greedy and corrupt; and the government must step in and regulate it. The left fail to see that taxing and regulating small, medium and large businesses will only assure that those very businesses continue to close. No worries – everyone can work at the local wind farm.
The left enjoy capitalism; they just want to cut capitalism’s legs off. For the common good. The left have blind faith that all of capitalism is greedy and corrupt. The left love the idea of government regulation and intervention; It’s dreamy and hopeful – and they fail to see that it has ruined Europe and that Europe is slowly attempting to move away from those old and tired socialist ideas. The left trust government before they trust the imperfect private sector. One or two bad apples paraded around by the Dan Rather/Diane Sawyer/Charlie Gibson media is all the conditioning the left need to confirm their utopian notions.
/We have over 300,000 regulations in the US – the left want to deliver more. Hard to fathom why people are fed up.
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legalpad Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:23:04am |
re: #555 soxfan4life
Once cap and trade passes you’ll be begging for power outages.
I’ll cut it off myself. I’ve done it before.
| 560 |
jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:23:06am |
Morning talk show host Kirby Wilbur this morning talking about two emails he got from Pete Sessions.
Email 1 — asking for donations to defeat (D)s who voted for Crap-n-Fraud.
Email 2 — asking to come on the show defend Dave Reichert’s vote for Crap-n-Fraud.
*standing at RNC HQ front door*
KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK
Helloooo! Anybody home?
| 562 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:23:09am |
re: #526 pingjockey
I know, I know. She totally creeps me out.
I get that, but I love smart, strong women, even if they are not “hot”. Women brains are wired differently then ours, and see the world from a different angle, we need to see both angles. Having said that, Hillary has a bigger set of balls then some men. :)
| 563 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:23:32am |
Oh, are we talking about skiing?
Here’s one of the funniest ski stories ever posted to LGF
| 564 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:23:37am |
re: #499 realwest
Morning turn! We went from 92 to 62 yesterday/when I woke up this morning!
BTW, who is Simon Crowell and what did he offer $144 million for!
Ha, Crowell - better nic sounds like growl. He’s that critic on American Idol, don’t watch that show but evidently it’s dumbing down America because it’s pretty popular.
| 565 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:23:38am |
re: #554 lincolntf
8 years of Obama? You’re whistling past the graveyard on that one. No matter how popular you think he is, his failures will hit all voters equally and the “middle” that won him the election will be more than happy to give him the boot in 2012.
Fool me once…
Not going to happen. Sorry. Not without some major catastrophes and the GOP reconfiguring.
| 566 |
Ateam Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:23:42am |
re: #307 J.D.
Truth about Universal health care
We have 4 non-profit health insurance organizations. For reasons I can’t briefly explain, the practical situation is that most of the poor & old people belong to the biggest one - holding about 40% of the market.
I can see an expert in two days notice. They need to wait 2-6 weeks. 1/3 of them can’t afford even the subsidized price of their medicines. So they are saving by taking pills not at ordered times. Or buying only the cheap-less-affective kind of. If they offered a non-emergency proceeder by doctors, there is a queue line many months ahead, or in some cases even years.
Yes, everyone is covered. But the expense’s blanket leaves d most needed people out on ice.
| 567 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:23:47am |
Just when you thought it was safe… [Link: consults.blogs.nytimes.com…]
| 568 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:24:38am |
re: #516 pingjockey
You are right. She was a crook, cattle futures, a cheat, white water, and a snoop, travelgate. She is much more than just a senator!
Well at least she’s not a “Stand By Your Man” woman.
| 569 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:24:38am |
re: #562 avanti
I get that, but I love smart, strong women, even if they are not “hot”. Women brains are wired differently then ours, and see the world from a different angle, we need to see both angles. Having said that, Hillary has a bigger set of balls then some men. :)
I would upding you, if not for the claim that women’s brains are ‘wired differently’.
| 570 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:25:05am |
re: #565 iceweasel
No worries there, health care reform and cap and trade will be enough of a catastrophe on the struggling economy to get him the boot.
| 571 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:25:31am |
re: #560 jcm
LOL! Nothing like a coordinated attack, eh! BTW, when y’all get a chance, kindly check your e-mail!
| 572 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:26:12am |
re: #554 lincolntf
8 years of Obama? You’re whistling past the graveyard on that one. No matter how popular you think he is, his failures will hit all voters equally and the “middle” that won him the election will be more than happy to give him the boot in 2012.
Fool me once…
Just trying to prepare you for a likely second term. Reality is something we all have to deal with on occasion. If the GOP can get all it’s shit in one sock, and BHO fails badly, then you have a shot.
| 573 |
HoosierHoops Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:26:18am |
re: #564 turn
Ha, Crowell - better nic sounds like growl. He’s that critic on American Idol, don’t watch that show but evidently it’s dumbing down America because it’s pretty popular.
Simon Cowell…
| 574 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:26:51am |
re: #562 avanti
I had a friend who was attached to the Secret Service and served in the Clinton White House. I asked him for the scoop on Hillary. In all seriousness, he said
“She has better taste in women than he does.”
| 575 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:26:58am |
re: #562 avanti
I get that, but I love smart, strong women, even if they are not “hot”. Women brains are wired differently then ours, and see the world from a different angle, we need to see both angles. Having said that, Hillary has a bigger set of balls then some men. :)
not smart enough to grab the nomination handed to her….you’ve been duped by the MSM….she is hardly what you think she is
| 576 |
lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:27:23am |
re: #565 iceweasel
We’ll see.
Extreme Leftism always fails, and is always rejected by the public in the long run. Obama was able to escape his failure to do anything for his constituents in the South Side by moving up to the Senate, he was able to escape culpability for his failures as a Senator by moving up to the Presidency. He’s got nowhere left to run.
| 577 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:27:48am |
re: #570 soxfan4life
No worries there, health care reform and cap and trade will be enough of a catastrophe on the struggling economy to get him the boot.
Something like 75 percent of Americans support health care reform.
Given that most of the cap and trade stuff doesnt even kick in until 2012, I don’t think C and T will be a factor in 2012 elections.
| 578 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:28:04am |
re: #575 albusteve
not smart enough to grab the nomination handed to her….you’ve been duped by the MSM….she is hardly what you think she is
Obviously not smart enough to see the trap 0 put her in with the Sec. State job.
| 579 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:28:07am |
re: #552 Honorary Yooper
South Park, you say?
[Video]
General direction. Keeping the actual location a secret until I get moved and update my contact info, my web site etc.
| 580 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:28:22am |
re: #506 Walter L. Newton
No, in the general direction of South Park., in an undisclosed location. We have access to most of the secret tunnels that run out of Denver International Airport and up under the Rocky Mountains. I will be able to park my black helicopter right next to the house. And being that I will be at about 8000 feet, my transceiver, which is built into a coffee grinder, will be able to have a clearer signal when I have to contact the Jewish Zionist Cabal.
/
oh man, tinfoil hats lookout - Walter’s on the way!
nooooooooooo, my hair is frizzing and my peace button just popped of and fell into my Birkenstock. My armpit hair is tingling. ha - good luck on the new digs Walter. Hey, I was teasing about that critical thing ya know.
| 581 |
pingjockey Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:28:27am |
re: #561 realwest
Just replied! On FNC now, the state of Missouri trying to ban protests at military funerals. Of course the ACLU has came in on the side of the Phelps klan. 1st amend. issues.
| 582 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:28:36am |
I just laugh at people who predict American politics down the road 2 and 4 years away…how simple minded can you get?…pure hubris
| 583 |
legalpad Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:28:46am |
A couple of letters from the IRS came in, one thick, one thin. I just saw them this morning. I was thinking, “is this it?” But it’s not. I made more in the last half of the year where they felt I should have paid them more in advance. They want a hundred bucks or something. For some reason this popped into my head. In any case I’ll link it here in honor of Walter’s big move.
| 585 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:29:10am |
re: #576 lincolntf
We’ll see.
Extreme Leftism always fails,.
Snip.
Obama is not, despite rhetoric to the contrary, an ‘extreme leftist’.
| 587 |
jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:29:15am |
re: #551 realwest
Hey good morning jcm! How are you this morning?
Let’s see… dryer died… oil pump on the truck died…
Munckin is teething… idiot stops on the freeway in front of me…
GREAT! (seriously) It is a cool sunny morning, with a beautiful day outside.
| 588 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:29:40am |
re: #564 turn
Ha, Crowell - better nic sounds like growl. He’s that critic on American Idol, don’t watch that show but evidently it’s dumbing down America because it’s pretty popular.
Ah, that explains why I don’t know his name! But WHAT DID HE PAY $144 Million for?
| 589 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:29:49am |
re: #569 iceweasel
I would upding you, if not for the claim that women’s brains are ‘wired differently’.
I’d say they are a bit different due to chromosomes, hormones, and social expectations. Not better, not worse, just different. It’s why we work better together rather than separately.
| 590 |
razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:29:49am |
re: #574 wahabicorridor
I had a friend who was attached to the Secret Service and served in the Clinton White House. I asked him for the scoop on Hillary. In all seriousness, he said
“She has better taste in women than he does.”
Mister Bill has small ‘d’ democrat tastes. He doesn’t cull anything.
I believe the man would take a run at a rattlesnake, if someone would hold the critters head down.
| 591 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:29:55am |
re: #582 albusteve
I just laugh at people who predict American politics down the road 2 and 4 years away…how simple minded can you get?…pure hubris
You’re right. Honestly, it’s all dependent upon what happens, and we don’t know what will happen.
| 592 |
Beach Lover Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:30:06am |
Good Morning, Lizards. what’s hapennninnnnn?
| 593 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:30:15am |
re: #578 soxfan4life
Obviously not smart enough to see the trap 0 put her in with the Sec. State job.
I give her the benefit of the doubt there….maybe she feels her career is over…but SofS sure iced it…she’s done
| 594 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:30:36am |
Hey, anybody see news about an accident in Afghanistan? I’m not near a TV.
| 595 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:30:37am |
re: #577 iceweasel
It will still keep industry from ramping up. And high unemployment and the inflation his out of control spending is sure to cause will help usher him out the door. Unfortunately we get to relive the Carter Misery Index days in order for the younger generation to learn the same lesson.
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johnnyreb Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:30:55am |
re: #549 soxfan4life
Here’s the not so impressive list. These two at the bottom are probably the most notable.
Then there are two very important points that are not often included in her ‘achievements’, but nevertheless deserve to be highlighted -
Senator Hillary Clinton’s vote supporting the War in Iraq.
Senator Hillary Clinton’s vote against the humanitarian amendment bill to ban cluster bombs.
It is worthwhile to note how someone who had the intelligence to get into an Ivy League school and who often touts her concern for children’s welfare has neither the sense nor the compassion to use her voting powers to end the preventable deaths and maiming of children in Iraq, Afghanistan and many African countries.
[Link: www.buzzle.com…]
Come on now! Everyone knows that Bush tricked her into voting for the war in Iraq.
| 597 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:31:14am |
re: #569 iceweasel
I would upding you, if not for the claim that women’s brains are ‘wired differently’.
Ice, they are and that is not a sexist statement. Look at the differences in how we communicate, and look at problems. Yes, men have a feminine side, and women a male, but there are usually both nature and nurture differences in the way we think.
| 599 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:31:29am |
re: #589 Honorary Yooper
I’d say they are a bit different due to chromosomes, hormones, and social expectations. Not better, not worse, just different. It’s why we work better together rather than separately.
I’ll upding you, especially for having a more nuanced take on where the differences come from. :)
| 600 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:32:08am |
| 601 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:32:23am |
Morning all. Here’s some pictures of dogs enjoying live music for you.
| 602 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:32:42am |
re: #563 wahabicorridor
Hi wahabi - well I checked post #470 and, well, ok you meant #420 right? And that was one of the funnier “true stories” told on LGF. Evah!
| 603 |
HoosierHoops Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:32:44am |
re: #591 iceweasel
You’re right. Honestly, it’s all dependent upon what happens, and we don’t know what will happen.
Heck I always know what’s going to happen.. Aren’t you on my Mailing List?
Speaking of email I just got one that says I won 550,000 Dollars from the UK lottery.. All they need is a few private details and the money is mine!
| 604 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:32:45am |
re: #600 redstateredneck
Hey, {Beachie!
Sheesh! Here’s the other half of your hug}.
I’m having a problem with that today.
:D
| 605 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:32:52am |
re: #590 razorbacker
believe the man would take a run at a rattlesnake, if someone would hold the critters head down.
heh
Where I come from it’s
he’d f*k the crack of dawn if it would stay still long enough
/Pennsylvania hillbilly
| 606 |
legalpad Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:32:58am |
| 607 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:33:06am |
re: #585 iceweasel
Snip.
Obama is not, despite rhetoric to the contrary, an ‘extreme leftist’.
I agree, Nancy Pelozi is the poster girl for that area.
| 608 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:33:07am |
re: #597 avanti
Ice, they are and that is not a sexist statement. Look at the differences in how we communicate, and look at problems. Yes, men have a feminine side, and women a male, but there are usually both nature and nurture differences in the way we think.
I didn’t call you a sexist, because you’re not being sexist.
My issue is in attributing the differences to neurotypology.
| 609 |
razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:33:19am |
re: #585 iceweasel
Snip.
Obama is not, despite rhetoric to the contrary, an ‘extreme leftist’.
The surface of the sun is not, despite rhetoric to the contrary, extremely hot.
| 610 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:33:20am |
re: #598 vxbush
Morning. Have we fixed the world’s problems yet?
Yes, but they just haven’t realized it yet
| 611 |
rightside Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:33:27am |
Just to show you how living in CA can warp reality for you. (They don’t call it the land of fruits and nuts for nothing!)
CA Dem leader: Why do we allow free speech to terrorize politicians?
How do you think conservative talk radio has affected the Legislature’s work?
The Republicans were essentially threatened and terrorized against voting for revenue. Now [some] are facing recalls. They operate under a terrorist threat: “You vote for revenue and your career is over.” I don’t know why we allow that kind of terrorism to exist. I guess it’s about free speech, but it’s extremely unfair.
Extremist.
| 612 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:33:33am |
re: #543 turn
Actually there is a power generating plant at the falls. They can practically shut it off I think.
| 614 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:34:21am |
re: #607 avanti
I agree, Nancy Pelozi is the poster girl for that area.
Pelosi is an idiot, but hardly an ‘extreme leftist’.
| 615 |
HoosierHoops Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:34:35am |
re: #598 vxbush
Morning. Have we fixed the world’s problems yet?
Yup.. all Done *wiping hands off with a rag*
Wanna take her for a spin?
/Morning VX
| 616 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:34:51am |
re: #610 Creeping Eruption
Yes, but they just haven’t realized it yet
Cool. In that case, Everyone to my house to help with housecleaning!
:D
| 617 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:34:51am |
| 618 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:35:19am |
re: #594 haakondahl
Hey, anybody see news about an accident in Afghanistan? I’m not near a TV.
nuthin’. A train in Italy exploded and killed some people.
| 619 |
lawhawk Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:35:27am |
OT:
Gaza “aid” boat intercepted. Awww…. Guess the moonbats can’t make a show of it. Again. And they can’t claim that the Israelis rammed their boat either (as they claimed in a previous attempt).
They were claiming that they were bringing in medical supplies. Too bad that the Israelis have already been allowing in medical supplies since 2005. There’s no medical crisis except the one that Hamas creates by stealing those supplies and rationing/hoarding/reselling them.
| 620 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:35:38am |
re: #612 BlueCanuck
Actually there is a power generating plant at the falls. They can practically shut it off I think.
When I was up there, someone told me that it does not operate at maximum capacity (i.e., they are holding back flow).. Apparently, if they let it go naturally, it would now wash away a lot of stuff down stream. DISCLAIMER: Not sure if this is true and too lazy to look it up.
| 621 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:35:52am |
re: #614 iceweasel
Pelosi is an idiot, but hardly an ‘extreme leftist’.
Say, what? What is your definition of extreme leftist, then?
| 622 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:35:54am |
re: #599 iceweasel
I’ll upding you, especially for having a more nuanced take on where the differences come from. :)
I’m good with Avanti on this one. Nobody knows where the differences come from, in the same sense that nobody knows where gravity comes from. We can describe both phenomena, but to deny their existence for want of an explanation beggars the mind.
| 623 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:36:16am |
re: #617 iceweasel
Ok. Maybe. :(
Sorry; my brain is simply not ready to function today. I concur that the way men and women think is different, but how or why is far, far beyond me.
| 624 |
Beach Lover Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:36:17am |
re: #600 redstateredneck
Hey, {Red}
what’s with the half a hug! :-)
| 625 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:36:23am |
re: #609 razorbacker
The surface of the sun is not, despite rhetoric to the contrary, extremely hot.
Funny, but not analogous.
| 626 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:36:55am |
re: #580 turn
oh man, tinfoil hats lookout - Walter’s on the way!
nooooooooooo, my hair is frizzing and my peace button just popped of and fell into my Birkenstock. My armpit hair is tingling. ha - good luck on the new digs Walter. Hey, I was teasing about that critical thing ya know.
Hey, don’t take my “critical” chops away from me, I’m proud of them.
| 627 |
lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:37:03am |
re: #582 albusteve
There’s nothing wrong with conjecturing about the future. In fact, all elections and campaign strategies depend on it. I don’t think anyone is claiming to be able to predict anything with certainty.
| 628 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:37:07am |
| 629 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:37:25am |
re: #576 lincolntf
We’ll see.
Extreme Leftism always fails, and is always rejected by the public in the long run. Obama was able to escape his failure to do anything for his constituents in the South Side by moving up to the Senate, he was able to escape culpability for his failures as a Senator by moving up to the Presidency. He’s got nowhere left to run.
Secretary general of the UN! He thinks it is a promotion.
Good idea - he could go where the most he can do is send a strongly worded letter, and since that seems to be the most he wants to do, he’d be perfect.
Too bad he can’t get the job; no permanent member of the inSecurity Council can have its citizen as SecGen.
| 630 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:37:46am |
re: #535 pingjockey
Hey kids…fireworks are dangerous.
Heh. We go to the reservation to get our fireworks.
Morning ping, that reminds me of the time we went to visit Solon my buddy who lives in Bellingham. He was good friends with an Indian chief so we got like, the best fireworks around. At any rate after a few too many beers we decided to improvise one of them. We took an M80 and tapped it to the top of this huge rocket and tied the fuse in to explode at the end of the trajectory. Well needless to say we’re no rocket scientists, the friggin thing barely got off the ground due to the increased weight of the M80. It did manage to make a loop right across the street onto his neighbor’s front porch - BOOM! Man Solon must have tried to calm that neighbor down for like 30 minutes, fortunately we got out of it. ha
| 631 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:38:08am |
re: #627 lincolntf
There’s nothing wrong with conjecturing about the future. In fact, all elections and campaign strategies depend on it. I don’t think anyone is claiming to be able to predict anything with certainty.
they do…go back and read the posts
| 632 |
legalpad Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:38:09am |
re: #577 iceweasel
Something like 75 percent of Americans support health care reform.
I don’t think they are yet aware of the fact that the net result is that they will be simply deprived of critical medical care. They are already openly talking of cutting Medicare.
| 633 |
lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:38:31am |
re: #585 iceweasel
He’s not? Have you seen his voting record (or read his books)?
| 634 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:38:37am |
re: #630 turn
Where I live the laws are so restrictive, I don’t even think snakes and sparklers are allowed.
| 635 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:38:40am |
re: #622 haakondahl
I’m good with Avanti on this one. Nobody knows where the differences come from, in the same sense that nobody knows where gravity comes from. We can describe both phenomena, but to deny their existence for want of an explanation beggars the mind.
But no-one here has denied a difference.
| 636 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:38:41am |
re: #629 Kosh’s Shadow
Secretary general of the UN! He thinks it is a promotion.
Good idea - he could go where the most he can do is send a strongly worded letter, and since that seems to be the most he wants to do, he’d be perfect.
Too bad he can’t get the job; no permanent member of the inSecurity Council can have its citizen as SecGen.
Really? I did not know that. It’s a shame, really.
| 637 |
Beach Lover Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:38:45am |
re: #628 redstateredneck
That’s OK…half is better than none I always say!
Did you go on vacation?
| 638 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:38:50am |
re: #588 realwest
Ah, that explains why I don’t know his name! But WHAT DID HE PAY $144 Million for?
To stay on as host
[Link: www.nypost.com…]
| 639 |
opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:38:50am |
re: #575 albusteve
not smart enough to grab the nomination handed to her….you’ve been duped by the MSM….she is hardly what you think she is
She sure took a lot of public humiliation to retain her politicl viability.
Lets you know what her priorities are.
Having said that, she would be an uprade over BHO.
| 640 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:38:55am |
re: #600 redstateredneck
Hey {red} what is it with you and one armed hugs today, anyway!
:)
| 641 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:39:08am |
re: #585 iceweasel
Snip.
Obama is not, despite rhetoric to the contrary, an ‘extreme leftist’.
What else is someone who wants to change the Constitution to impose the redistribution of wealth?
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soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:39:26am |
re: #629 Kosh’s Shadow
Secretary general of the UN! He thinks it is a promotion.
Good idea - he could go where the most he can do is send a strongly worded letter, and since that seems to be the most he wants to do, he’d be perfect.
Too bad he can’t get the job; no permanent member of the inSecurity Council can have its citizen as SecGen.
Once the Presidency is over with he can reclaim his Kenyan citizenship. It’s not like he would have any shame to prevent him from doing it.
| 643 |
HoosierHoops Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:39:45am |
re: #634 Mad Al-Jaffee
Where I live the laws are so restrictive, I don’t even think snakes and sparklers are allowed.
Indiana will sell you about anything that blows up…Pretty fun day
| 644 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:40:06am |
re: #590 razorbacker
Mister Bill has small ‘d’ democrat tastes. He doesn’t cull anything.
I believe the man would take a run at a rattlesnake, if someone would hold the critters head down.
“He’d f*ck a woodpile on the off chance there was a snake in it”
(Don’t remember where I heard that one)
| 646 |
razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:40:34am |
Being a rich and powerful member of the secret cabal running the Republican party, I received a letter from the RNC warning of the dangers of government run health care.
And, being a poor oppressed little guy, I have in hand a letter from Senator Lincoln, singing praises to the glory of government run health care.
It can be confusing, jumping back and forth from one skin to the other, but I muddle along. I muddle along.
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vxbush Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:40:56am |
re: #638 turn
To stay on as host
[Link: www.nypost.com…]
He is one of those folks that people love to hate. He draws in the crowds as people are stunned by how he cuts down people. For this, he gets paid.
No wonder I don’t watch the show.
/gee, I think I’m biased
| 648 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:41:19am |
re: #637 Beach Lover
That’s OK…half is better than none I always say!
Did you go on vacation?
Just a quickie…Wednesday through Sunday. Went up to Arkansas where we own some land and a boat. It’s a ten hour drive but mrhightechredneck is taking pilot lessons so next time he goes he’s flying. I’ll probably sit out that trip!
;-)
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Creeping Eruption Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:41:19am |
re: #634 Mad Al-Jaffee
Where I live the laws are so restrictive, I don’t even think snakes and sparklers are allowed.
I feel your pain. Local Alderman reminding people that those who violate the city’s fireworks ordinance can get up to 40 days jail. Parents and legal guardians can be fined up to $1,000 for allowing minors to use fireworks.
| 650 |
lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:41:29am |
re: #631 albusteve
I’ve always mentally added an “in my humble opinion” to everyone’s posts. Doesn’t bother me if people don’t explicitly state it.
| 651 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:42:09am |
| 652 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:42:15am |
re: #648 redstateredneck
Just a quickie…Wednesday through Sunday. Went up to Arkansas where we own some land and a boat. It’s a ten hour drive but mrhightechredneck is taking pilot lessons so next time he goes he’s flying. I’ll probably sit out that trip!
;-)
You don’t trust your spouse to fly? How interesting; I have a friend whose wife has learned to fly, and he refuses to go with her.
| 653 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:42:29am |
re: #539 jcm
Pet Peeve vent!
When you get on the freeway it’s called an….
ACCELERATION LANE
not a stop and wait for a quarter mile long gap in traffic lane!
ARRRRGGGGHHH!
/vent off.
Hey jcm, I’ve actually developed a pretty keen sense about bad drivers. I can usually judge their sex and race, sometimes their activities, by their driving before I actually see them. You can call me sexist and racist if you want but I’m not kidding. Some driving habits are dead giveaways.
| 654 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:42:29am |
re: #641 MandyManners
What else is someone who wants to change the Constitution to impose the redistribution of wealth?
The elected politicians being labelled “leftist’ or ‘left’ or even ‘liberal’ in the US aren’t ‘left’ or ‘liberal’ as the rest of the world, or political science, understands these terms.
That’s fact. People can dislike Obama for all kinds of reasons— i do— but to claim that he’s a ‘radical leftist’ is just false.
| 655 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:42:31am |
re: #608 iceweasel
I didn’t call you a sexist, because you’re not being sexist.
My issue is in attributing the differences to neurotypology.
re: #635 iceweasel
But no-one here has denied a difference.
But if we know nothing of the cause, how can beliefs on that basis be taken as offensive?
Snips and snails and puppy dog tails notwithstanding.
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albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:42:36am |
re: #641 MandyManners
What else is someone who wants to change the Constitution to impose the redistribution of wealth?
spin soon cometh
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opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:42:44am |
re: #585 iceweasel
Snip.
Obama is not, despite rhetoric to the contrary, an ‘extreme leftist’.
And all of those rumors about Karl Marx being a Marxist are just Republican smears.
| 659 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:43:05am |
re: #649 Creeping Eruption
I feel your pain. Local Alderman reminding people that those who violate the city’s fireworks ordinance can get up to 40 days jail. Parents and legal guardians can be fined up to $1,000 for allowing minors to use fireworks.
We have a better solution: from our house in the country, we can see the fireworks from at least three different cities. So we sit in air-conditioned comfort and watch the show across the horizon.
| 660 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:43:20am |
re: #641 MandyManners
What else is someone who wants to change the Constitution to impose the redistribution of wealth?
Apparently Lenin ,Stalin, or Mao weren’t extreme leftisits either.
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Beach Lover Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:43:23am |
re: #648 redstateredneck
yes..I remember the anniversay present!
Do you still have the place at the lake?
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:44:08am |
re: #643 HoosierHoops
Indiana will sell you about anything that blows up…Pretty fun day
I want a few nukes. Will they sell me some?
| 663 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:44:12am |
| 664 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:44:58am |
re: #650 lincolntf
I’ve always mentally added an “in my humble opinion” to everyone’s posts. Doesn’t bother me if people don’t explicitly state it.
true enough…it’s no big deal…btw the Cowboys are gonna win the Super Bowl again this year…dig that!
| 665 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:45:03am |
re: #652 vxbush
You don’t trust your spouse to fly? How interesting; I have a friend whose wife has learned to fly, and he refuses to go with her.
I trust him; hell, I’ve ridden on the back of a motorcycle with him going God knows how fast, but I’mma gonna let him make the maiden voyage before I go along.
| 666 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:45:06am |
re: #597 avanti
Ice, they are and that is not a sexist statement. Look at the differences in how we communicate, and look at problems. Yes, men have a feminine side, and women a male, but there are usually both nature and nurture differences in the way we think.
Good thing you’re not President of Harvard U., or you’d be out on your ear by next week.
Good morning, all.
| 667 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:45:17am |
re: #662 Kosh’s Shadow
I want a few nukes. Will they sell me some?
As long as you don’t claim to be a friend of Israel the current Administration won’t object to you getting them.
| 668 |
Killian Bundy Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:45:19am |
| 669 |
lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:45:23am |
re: #654 iceweasel
Yeah. If he were really a radical Leftist, he’d be palling around with Hugo Chavez, taking control of massive corporations and setting up dozens of “czars” to implement his whacked out Leftist policies.
Good thing none of that is happening.
| 670 |
legalpad Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:45:49am |
re: #654 iceweasel
The elected politicians being labelled “leftist’ or ‘left’ or even ‘liberal’ in the US aren’t ‘left’ or ‘liberal’ as the rest of the world, or political science, understands these terms.
That’s fact. People can dislike Obama for all kinds of reasons— i do— but to claim that he’s a ‘radical leftist’ is just false.
What’s funny is my sister andd her husband told me that the MSM was “rightwing”. “So what am I?”, I asked them.
Who would you give as an example of an “extreme left wing” politician, if the President is not?
| 671 |
razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:46:03am |
re: #648 redstateredneck
Just a quickie…Wednesday through Sunday. Went up to Arkansas where we own some land and a boat. It’s a ten hour drive but mrhightechredneck is taking pilot lessons so next time he goes he’s flying. I’ll probably sit out that trip!
;-)
I hope that your spot was still dry. Beaver Lake is still so full that about a hundred camping spots are underwater as yet.
We’ll need that water, come August and September, most likely.
| 672 |
wintercat Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:46:17am |
re: #654 iceweasel
The elected politicians being labelled “leftist’ or ‘left’ or even ‘liberal’ in the US aren’t ‘left’ or ‘liberal’ as the rest of the world, or political science, understands these terms..
This is just an attempt to move the goal post. We are talking about America here. Not Europe. And by American standards O is a far left politician.
| 673 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:46:41am |
re: #667 soxfan4life
As long as you don’t claim to be a friend of Israel the current Administration won’t object to you getting them.
Too bad. I think I’m already on record as a supporter of Israel.
Maybe I can get some from India.
| 674 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:46:42am |
re: #655 haakondahl
But if we know nothing of the cause, how can beliefs on that basis be taken as offensive?
Snips and snails and puppy dog tails notwithstanding.
There is no reason to attribute the differences to neurotypology— and there is a long history of ‘scientists’ looking to differences in neurotypology to justify sexism (and racism).And all attempts to trace the ‘differences’ to brain structure alone have failed.
In the absence of complete certainty about where the differences come from, it IS certain that unfounded claims that “men and women’s brains are different” is both false and sexist.
| 675 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:46:45am |
re: #661 Beach Lover
yes..I remember the anniversay present!
Do you still have the place at the lake?
Oh, yes. We’ll be going there this weekend for the 4th of July Flotilla. That will be the last thing we sell when we make the big retirement move to Arkansas.
| 676 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:47:27am |
re: #539 jcm
Pet Peeve vent!
When you get on the freeway it’s called an….
ACCELERATION LANE
not a stop and wait for a quarter mile long gap in traffic lane!
ARRRRGGGGHHH!
/vent off.
Hey, stop yelling at my mom like that!
| 677 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:47:35am |
re: #673 Kosh’s Shadow
Too bad. I think I’m already on record as a supporter of Israel.
Maybe I can get some from India.
Check Pokeestan.
| 678 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:47:35am |
re: #556 iceweasel
He spent a LOT of it, and his investment business was essentially a Ponzi scheme— so the new money flowing in from new investors went straight into paying the old investors the dividends they expected on the money they had invested— which had already been stolen by Madoff.
Like every Ponzi scheme — it only stays aloft as long as you have a constant influx of gullible and rich new investors.
Oh, I had the impression he pocketed that much listening to the news.. If there is anybody out there (like turn) who didn’t know up until a few months ago the true origin of the Ponzi scheme go look it up on wiki, it’s one hell of a story. The dude bilked the investors using a postage stamp scheme of all things.
| 679 |
lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:47:54am |
re: #664 albusteve
Cowboys might make the SB, but they aren’t gonna win it.
Brady’s baa-aaack!
| 680 |
pingjockey Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:48:02am |
re: #674 iceweasel
Chocolate…women have an entirely different reaction to the chemical in chocolate than men do.
| 681 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:48:16am |
re: #672 wintercat
This is just an attempt to move the goal post. We are talking about America here. Not Europe. And by American standards O is a far left politician.
This is an attempt on your part to justify the Overton window as imparting some metaphysical truth.
Wrong.
| 682 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:48:46am |
re: #671 razorbacker
I hope that your spot was still dry. Beaver Lake is still so full that about a hundred camping spots are underwater as yet.
We’ll need that water, come August and September, most likely.
We had to wade a little ways to the boat dock. The caretaker was going to move it back further out into the lake after we left until the water goes down some more. Our land is up on a high ridge looking down at the lake.
| 683 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:49:12am |
re: #679 lincolntf
Cowboys might make the SB, but they aren’t gonna win it.
Brady’s baa-aaack!
I don’t see the Cowboys getting past the Eagles. Jerry Jones made his bed with Tony Romo and Cowboy fans will have to suffer for that.
| 684 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:49:39am |
re: #674 iceweasel
it IS certain that unfounded claims that “men and women’s brains are different” is both false and sexist.
No, it is not (necessarily) “sexist”, even if it is false. It’s not a statement that one sex is superior to the other.
| 685 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:49:59am |
re: #654 iceweasel
The elected politicians being labelled “leftist’ or ‘left’ or even ‘liberal’ in the US aren’t ‘left’ or ‘liberal’ as the rest of the world, or political science, understands these terms.
That’s fact. People can dislike Obama for all kinds of reasons— i do— but to claim that he’s a ‘radical leftist’ is just false.
Is not :-)
| 686 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:50:23am |
re: #680 pingjockey
Chocolate…women have an entirely different reaction to the chemical in chocolate than men do.
Doesn’t justify the claim that men and women have differences in brain structure.
Notice— I haven’t denied that men and women ARE different— only that reducing those differences to neural architecture is both scientifically unfounded and, well, false.
| 687 |
CommonCents Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:50:28am |
re: #652 vxbush
You don’t trust your spouse to fly? How interesting; I have a friend whose wife has learned to fly, and he refuses to go with her.
When my mother got her license I refused to fly with her also. She drives so slow on land I couldn’t imagine how she was able to keep a plane in the air.
| 688 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:50:42am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
The weather here is awful today - its beyond oppressive!
When the sprinkling of rain one gets is actually warm, one knows there’s going to be trouble ahead (thunderstorms …!)
| 689 |
razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:50:49am |
re: #682 redstateredneck
We had to wade a little ways to the boat dock. The caretaker was going to move it back further out into the lake after we left until the water goes down some more. Our land is up on a high ridge looking down at the lake.
Take heart. Once the DeValls Bluff pumping station gets going full speed, the White will be lowered enough to make room for all the extra water you can imagine.
| 690 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:51:25am |
re: #654 iceweasel
The elected politicians being labelled “leftist’ or ‘left’ or even ‘liberal’ in the US aren’t ‘left’ or ‘liberal’ as the rest of the world, or political science, understands these terms.
That’s fact. People can dislike Obama for all kinds of reasons— i do— but to claim that he’s a ‘radical leftist’ is just false.
Logical fallacy. We are not talking about whether Obama is a “leftist” by North Korean standards.
| 691 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:51:27am |
re: #677 soxfan4life
Check Pokeestan.
I don’t think they’ll sell nukes to a supporter of Israel, either.
| 692 |
Beach Lover Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:51:29am |
re: #675 redstateredneck
Oh, yes. We’ll be going there this weekend for the 4th of July Flotilla. That will be the last thing we sell when we make the big retirement move to Arkansas.
dont forget to take pictures!
well as much as hate to run…I must get something done today.
Good to “see” y’all again.
oh, forgot to say hey to {Real}
| 693 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:51:32am |
re: #573 HoosierHoops
Simon Cowell…
Morning hoops. Yeah, but the way real spelled it was funny - sounded like “growl” which is what the dude does most of the time. Still $144 mil? no way that guy deserves that.
| 695 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:51:47am |
re: #683 soxfan4life
I don’t see the Cowboys getting past the Eagles. Jerry Jones made his bed with Tony Romo and Cowboy fans will have to suffer for that.
hahaha!….you disregard Romo’s numbers?….stay tuned
| 696 |
wintercat Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:52:08am |
re: #681 iceweasel
This is an attempt on your part to justify the Overton window as imparting some metaphysical truth.
Wrong.
Not wrong. Obama is a far left politician. Every action he undertakes is based on his very left leanings and sympathies.
| 697 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:52:08am |
re: #689 razorbacker
Take heart. Once the DeValls Bluff pumping station gets going full speed, the White will be lowered enough to make room for all the extra water you can imagine.
You could see the high water line from last year. Pretty bad. We are about 25 miles from Bull Shoals dam (by water).
| 698 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:52:34am |
re: #686 iceweasel
only that reducing those differences to neural architecture is both scientifically unfounded and, well, false.
Do you have a source debunking the claim?
| 699 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:52:46am |
re: #684 Occasional Reader
No, it is not (necessarily) “sexist”, even if it is false. It’s not a statement that one sex is superior to the other.
I recommend Carol Tavris’ book “The Mismeasure of Women” for a history of the disparate uses within science of ‘sceintific’ standards. They wanted to show that women were ‘different’. Tavris shows how these were all sexist.
It changed the way I look at science. I recommend it whole heartedly.
| 700 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:52:50am |
re: #693 turn
Morning hoops. Yeah, but the way real spelled it was funny - sounded like “growl” which is what the dude does most of the time. Still $144 mil? no way that guy deserves that.
Whatever the market will bear, or are you against the free market?
| 701 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:52:58am |
re: #574 wahabicorridor
I had a friend who was attached to the Secret Service and served in the Clinton White House. I asked him for the scoop on Hillary. In all seriousness, he said
“She has better taste in women than he does.”
What did that mean, that she “prefers” women? whoa
| 702 |
razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:53:26am |
re: #683 soxfan4life
I don’t see the Cowboys getting past the Eagles. Jerry Jones made his bed with Tony Romo and Cowboy fans will have to suffer for that.
I think, all things considered, that I’d prefer the bed that Romo has made.
She might not be too very smart, but Jessica can fill out those faded Daisy Duke short-shorts pretty well.
| 703 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:53:55am |
re: #698 Occasional Reader
Do you have a source debunking the claim?
Check Tavris’ book for a history of the ways in which claims about brain science were used to justify or insist upon sexist claims about women.
| 704 |
jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:54:13am |
re: #674 iceweasel
There is no reason to attribute the differences to neurotypology— and there is a long history of ‘scientists’ looking to differences in neurotypology to justify sexism (and racism).And all attempts to trace the ‘differences’ to brain structure alone have failed.
In the absence of complete certainty about where the differences come from, it IS certain that unfounded claims that “men and women’s brains are different” is both false and sexist.
Structurally men womens brains are different, cognitively the operate different. PET scan studies show men and women for the same task use a different part of the brain.
It is not better or worse, just different.
Discoveries by scientists over the past 10 years have elucidated biological sex differences in brain structure, chemistry and function. “These variations occur throughout the brain, in regions involved in language, memory, emotion, vision, hearing and navigation,” explains Larry Cahill, Ph.D., an associate professor in the Department of Neurobiology and Behavior at the University of California, Irvine.
Its not making a judgment on value, just a scientific fact.
| 705 |
opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:54:16am |
re: #690 Occasional Reader
Logical fallacy. We are not talking about whether Obama is a “leftist” by North Korean standards.
I happen to know that Obama & Emmanuel refer to each other as “Comrade.” OK, I made that up.
| 706 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:54:48am |
re: #702 razorbacker
I think, all things considered, that I’d prefer the bed that Romo has made.
She might not be too very smart, but Jessica can fill out those faded Daisy Duke short-shorts pretty well.
I’ll agree with that, but as a QB Romo is mediocre at best.
| 707 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:54:58am |
re: #654 iceweasel
The elected politicians being labelled “leftist’ or ‘left’ or even ‘liberal’ in the US aren’t ‘left’ or ‘liberal’ as the rest of the world
| 708 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:55:36am |
re: #699 iceweasel
I recommend Carol Tavris’ book “The Mismeasure of Women” for a history of the disparate uses within science of ‘sceintific’ standards. They wanted to show that women were ‘different’. Tavris shows how these were all sexist.
It changed the way I look at science. I recommend it whole heartedly.
You’ll forgive me if I’m a little skeptical of the claim that every scientific study of apparent “differences” between men and women were “all sexist”.
| 709 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:56:00am |
re: #705 opnion
I thought Rahm referred to 0 as my bitch.
| 710 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:56:03am |
re: #686 iceweasel
Doesn’t justify the claim that men and women have differences in brain structure.
Notice— I haven’t denied that men and women ARE different— only that reducing those differences to neural architecture is both scientifically unfounded and, well, false.
Ahem.
Neural architecture is one thing - the far more important thing however is the influence of the various hormones. And iirc, while present in both genders, the concentrations of certain hormones are certainly different.
There still isn’t that much known about all their influences, but that they influence brain function, e.g. by influenceing the production and uptake of various transmitter substances is certainly undisputed.
Hence - the ‘difference’!
| 711 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:56:12am |
| 712 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:56:28am |
re: #691 Kosh’s Shadow
I don’t think they’ll sell nukes to a supporter of Israel, either.
Kosh, if you are Jewish, which I take it you are, they will just expect you to design and build one yourself. Quit freeloading./
| 713 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:56:41am |
re: #674 iceweasel
There is no reason to attribute the differences to neurotypology— and there is a long history of ‘scientists’ looking to differences in neurotypology to justify sexism (and racism).And all attempts to trace the ‘differences’ to brain structure alone have failed.
In the absence of complete certainty about where the differences come from, it IS certain that unfounded claims that “men and women’s brains are different” is both false and sexist.
I said they are wired differently. Even I accept that there is no physical differently, we use out brains differently.
I have had female friends my entire life and have learned that we do indeed process information differently.
| 714 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:56:44am |
re: #654 iceweasel
The elected politicians being labelled “leftist’ or ‘left’ or even ‘liberal’ in the US aren’t ‘left’ or ‘liberal’ as the rest of the world, or political science, understands these terms.
That’s fact. People can dislike Obama for all kinds of reasons— i do— but to claim that he’s a ‘radical leftist’ is just false.
I don’t care how the terms is perceived in the rest of the world. I care about what he intends to do to America.
| 715 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:57:05am |
re: #634 Mad Al-Jaffee
Where I live the laws are so restrictive, I don’t even think snakes and sparklers are allowed.
You know you can’t even find a decent snake any more, the things they sell now days are a joke.
| 716 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:57:23am |
| 717 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:57:24am |
re: #703 iceweasel
re: #698 Occasional Reader
Do you have a source debunking the claim?
Check Tavris’ book for a history of the ways in which claims about brain science were used to justify or insist upon sexist claims about women.
That’s a different point.
You first claimed the science itself was all bad; now you’re pointing to bad uses being made of the science. Two different things.
| 718 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:57:45am |
re: #708 Occasional Reader
You’ll forgive me if I’m a little skeptical of the claim that every scientific study of apparent “differences” between men and women were “all sexist”.
Absolutely. Which is why I suggest looking at the data, and Tavris’s book.
| 719 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:57:58am |
re: #660 soxfan4life
Apparently Lenin ,Stalin, or Mao weren’t extreme leftisits either.
Just a figmentation of your imagine.
| 720 |
razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:58:17am |
re: #706 soxfan4life
I’ll agree with that, but as a QB Romo is mediocre at best.
It is a tough position. And oddly enough, a quarterback’s performance seems to be directly related to the performance of those big fellows lined up directly in front of him.
If given enough time by the offensive line, you or I could be a pretty fair quarterback.
Well, you probably could. I can’t throw a football seventy yards if my life depends on it.
| 721 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:58:21am |
re: #717 Occasional Reader
That’s a different point.
You first claimed the science itself was all bad; now you’re pointing to bad uses being made of the science. Two different things.
Two things often conflated.
| 722 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:58:35am |
re: #713 avanti
Even I accept that there is no physical differently [sic]
THERE ARE NO PHYSICAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN!
Wow. The things I learn here.
| 723 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:59:10am |
re: #703 iceweasel
Check Tavris’ book for a history of the ways in which claims about brain science were used to justify or insist upon sexist claims about women.
OK, using the differences to promote one or the other, is quite different then accepting the nature/nurture effects.
| 724 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:59:17am |
re: #647 vxbush
He is one of those folks that people love to hate. He draws in the crowds as people are stunned by how he cuts down people. For this, he gets paid.
No wonder I don’t watch the show.
/gee, I think I’m biased
Exactly vx. Can’t imagine getting paid $114 mil for the “tallent” of being able to bring people to tears. Show sucks.
| 725 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:59:25am |
re: #713 avanti
I said they are wired differently. Even I accept that there is no physical differently, we use out brains differently.
I have had female friends my entire life and have learned that we do indeed process information differently.
Ok, this is (sort of) better.
| 726 |
Macker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:59:46am |
re: #679 lincolntf
Cowboys might make the SB, but they aren’t gonna win it.
Brady’s baa-aaack!
That is, if the Patriots can win it without cheating and getting caught.
| 727 |
irish rose Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:59:48am |
Busy morning on the blogs, and a lot of news to catch up with.
re: #614 iceweasel
Pelosi is an idiot, but hardly an ‘extreme leftist’.
Say what?
Pelosi is absolutely an extreme, hard left liberal.
If you have evidence to the contrary then I’d sure like to see it.
| 728 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:00:00am |
re: #712 Creeping Eruption
Kosh, if you are Jewish, which I take it you are, they will just expect you to design and build one yourself. Quit freeloading./
Maybe if I tunnel into the hill behind our house, I can set up a sekrit nookyoolar device lab….
| 729 |
razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:00:05am |
re: #710 yma o hyd
Ahem.
Neural architecture is one thing - the far more important thing however is the influence of the various hormones. And iirc, while present in both genders, the concentrations of certain hormones are certainly different.
There still isn’t that much known about all their influences, but that they influence brain function, e.g. by influenceing the production and uptake of various transmitter substances is certainly undisputed.Hence - the ‘difference’!
Do you know what makes a hormone?
When they find out that the check bounced.
*runs away, making Daffy Duck noises*
| 730 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:00:38am |
re: #658 pingjockey
Rocket science ain’t easy!
Oh, and the damned smoked Salmon the cheif gave us was to die for.
| 731 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:00:43am |
re: #720 razorbacker
It is a tough position. And oddly enough, a quarterback’s performance seems to be directly related to the performance of those big fellows lined up directly in front of him.
If given enough time by the offensive line, you or I could be a pretty fair quarterback.
Well, you probably could. I can’t throw a football seventy yards if my life depends on it.
If my life depended upon my ability to throw a football 70 yards, I wouldn’t want to be me. 70 inches okay, 70 feet on a good day. I could probably be a good QB if all I had to do was hand the ball off.
| 732 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:01:10am |
re: #722 Occasional Reader
THERE ARE NO PHYSICAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN!
Wow. The things I learn here.
he meant in terms of neural architecture, I am sure. That is how I read him. In that he’d be correct.
Nota bene: that’s different from neural functioning
| 734 |
Macker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:01:29am |
re: #654 iceweasel
Mandy’s right. He’s a Dirty F**kin’ Communist! Or, as Mandy would put it, FCBBHO.
| 735 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:01:46am |
re: #710 yma o hyd
hey there!
I read a sad story last week about a guy who developed lactose intolerance so he switched to soy milk. Loved it. Drank 3 qts a day.
Couldn’t understand why he started to grow breasts and his privates got a lot smaller.
Told the story to my doc. Her response was “Well, D’UH”
| 736 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:01:54am |
Tony Romo reminds me of Danny White. He puts up great stats during the regular season but can’t seem to win in the playoffs.
| 737 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:02:03am |
re: #692 Beach Lover
Hi back atcha {Beach Lover} - how are y’all doing today?
| 738 |
lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:02:06am |
re: #722 Occasional Reader
Careful.
Larry Summers got booted from Harvard for questioning the orthodoxy that men and women are identical in every way. Don’t want to see you get the NOW types all frothy.
| 739 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:02:09am |
re: #729 razorbacker
Do you know what makes a hormone?
When they find out that the check bounced.
*runs away, making Daffy Duck noises*
:-))))
(No need to run away! Not from me, anyway …!)
| 740 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:02:16am |
re: #716 MandyManners
And a condescending spin at that!
The spin was made by misreading his interview comments and I’m tired of posting links. The simple fact is if you don’t like Obama, you’ll read negatives into a comment, if you do, you’ll get unicorns and rainbows. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
| 741 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:02:38am |
re: #736 NJDhockeyfan
Tony Romo reminds me of Danny White. He puts up great stats during the regular season but can’t seem to win in the playoffs.
He’s the A-Rod of football.
| 742 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:02:47am |
re: #680 pingjockey
Chocolate…women have an entirely different reaction to the chemical in chocolate than men do.
Heh. How about a quick test: What is everyone’s response to my current avatar? I can tell you that for me, it would be gone within five minutes. :D
| 744 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:03:14am |
re: #693 turn
Morning hoops. Yeah, but the way real spelled it was funny - sounded like “growl” which is what the dude does most of the time. Still $144 mil? no way that guy deserves that.
He doesn’t deserve the $33 Million he got paid for being a judge on a talent show last year, either!
| 745 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:03:29am |
re: #726 Macker
That is, if the Patriots can win it without cheating and getting caught.
Pat’s have a premier coach and a premier QB…that right there is worth a few games a year…we are still leaning how good Romo might become…if he stays healthy and STs quit giving up so many big plays, anything can happen…it’s the NFL and nothing is ever certain…I like his game and so do others, they just deny it
| 746 |
Macker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:03:29am |
re: #741 soxfan4life
He’s the A-Rod of football.
Well I certainly hope he doesn’t become the butt of David Letterman jokes anytime soon.
| 747 |
rightside Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:03:31am |
re: #742 vxbush
smores keyboard. what will they think of next, a chocolate eiffel tower?
| 749 |
razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:03:55am |
re: #736 NJDhockeyfan
Tony Romo reminds me of Danny White. He puts up great stats during the regular season but can’t seem to win in the playoffs.
I love to remind my wife that her hero Rothlesburger has terrible Super Bowl stats.
She loves to point out that he has two rings.
Silly girl. She misses the point altogether.
| 751 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:04:13am |
re: #735 wahabicorridor
hey there!
I read a sad story last week about a guy who developed lactose intolerance so he switched to soy milk. Loved it. Drank 3 qts a day.
Couldn’t understand why he started to grow breasts and his privates got a lot smaller.
Told the story to my doc. Her response was “Well, D’UH”
Hiya!
Gotta say D’UH as well …
Hope he’s now drinking water instead!
| 752 |
jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:04:18am |
re: #742 vxbush
Heh. How about a quick test: What is everyone’s response to my current avatar? I can tell you that for me, it would be gone within five minutes. :D
Ahh that explains the stickiness of all your comments……
| 753 |
legalpad Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:04:24am |
re: #742 vxbush
Heh. How about a quick test: What is everyone’s response to my current avatar? I can tell you that for me, it would be gone within five minutes. :D
Something my wife would make.
| 755 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:04:49am |
| 756 |
Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:04:58am |
re: #749 razorbacker
I love to remind my wife that her hero Rothlesburger has terrible Super Bowl stats.
She loves to point out that he has two rings.
Silly girl. She misses the point altogether.
Just tell her that the Argos are gonna win it all this year!
Go Argos!
| 757 |
irish rose Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:04:59am |
re: #632 legalpad
I don’t think they are yet aware of the fact that the net result is that they will be simply deprived of critical medical care. They are already openly talking of cutting Medicare.
The healthcare industry as we know it today is broken and corrupt, and there’s no getting away from that.
People shouldn’t have to suffer and die because they can’t afford medical treatment or medication, but it happens all the time in this country.
Something has to be done to fix the problem. It’s easy enough to say that socialized healthcare is not the answer, but what is the answer then? Whats’ the better alternative?
| 758 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:05:07am |
re: #736 NJDhockeyfan
Tony Romo reminds me of Danny White. He puts up great stats during the regular season but can’t seem to win in the playoffs.
his career is just starting…
| 759 |
Gella Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:05:19am |
good morning lizards :)
how are you?
have u seen drudge today?
[Link: www.drudgereport.com…]
| 760 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:05:19am |
re: #753 legalpad
Something my wife would want, but not want to make.
| 761 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:05:29am |
re: #718 iceweasel
Absolutely. Which is why I suggest looking at the data, and Tavris’s book.
Thanks, I will look out for it. Although I have to say, poking around a bit about the book on the web, I’m getting the sense that it was a very… ah, agenda-driven book… which is not always conducive to good science, if you get my drift.
| 763 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:05:43am |
re: #742 vxbush
Heh. How about a quick test: What is everyone’s response to my current avatar? I can tell you that for me, it would be gone within five minutes. :D
I loved it. I love the blend between chocolate and geek! :(
| 765 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:06:11am |
re: #742 vxbush
Heh. How about a quick test: What is everyone’s response to my current avatar? I can tell you that for me, it would be gone within five minutes. :D
Aww … did ye have to make me look?
Now I’ve developed this strange craving, all of a sudden …
(Nice av - unfortunately not just me but also Madame would have nibbled it to bits within ten minutes!)
| 769 |
razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:06:41am |
re: #756 Mithrax
Just tell her that the Argos are gonna win it all this year!
Go Argos!
They’ll be fleeced before they know it.
| 770 |
lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:06:46am |
re: #757 irish rose
If you’re relying on other people’s money to keep you healthy and alive, the best answer would be to earn more money. Might sound cold, but that’s real life.
| 771 |
Macker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:06:51am |
re: #765 yma o hyd
Aww … did ye have to make me look?
Now I’ve developed this strange craving, all of a sudden …(Nice av - unfortunately not just me but also Madame would have nibbled it to bits within ten minutes!)
So much for Ctrl-Alt-Delete.
| 772 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:07:09am |
re: #695 albusteve
and soxfan4life I don’t know but I think it’s a tad early to start drinking this morning.
The New York Giants are gonna win it ALL this year, if only ONE of the 3 Wide Recievers we drafted or someone we sign or trade for at Wide receiver can cut it. Eli Manning is THE REAL DEAL and we had TWO - count ‘em - TWO 1,000 yard rushers last year.
Cowboys? Eagles? LOL!
| 775 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:07:26am |
re: #761 Occasional Reader
Thanks, I will look out for it. Although I have to say, poking around a bit about the book on the web, I’m getting the sense that it was a very… ah, agenda-driven book… which is not always conducive to good science, if you get my drift.
I do indeed, which is one reason I recommend reading the book rather than reviews of it.
Her book has been distorted by both the left and the right to make the claims they want.
In reality it’s quite good, and as Tavris has a science background she does know what she’s talking about.
| 776 |
irish rose Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:07:30am |
re: #759 Gella
good morning lizards :)
how are you?
have u seen drudge today?
[Link: www.drudgereport.com…]
The “evil eye”, Obamas’ newest tool for negotiation and diplomacy.
Feel the heat, baby.
| 777 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:07:48am |
re: #754 Macker
Do they really make such a beast?
I bet someone could, but this image is almost certainly photoshopped.
| 779 |
Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:08:03am |
re: #764 Macker
My favourite CFL Team, eh.
Well, at least we only have one team named the roughriders now :P
| 780 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:08:07am |
re: #700 soxfan4life
Whatever the market will bear, or are you against the free market?
No, not at all sox. It’s just that I personally don’t understand what talent he has that would command $144 mil. Obviously the network sees it differently. Not an opposed to free market thing …
| 782 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:08:18am |
| 783 |
Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:08:42am |
re: #776 irish rose
The “evil eye”, Obamas’ newest tool for negotiation and diplomacy.
Feel the heat, baby.
My cat gives me more frightening looks, and it has no problem using it’s teeth or claws :P
| 785 |
Gella Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:08:48am |
re: #776 irish rose
The “evil eye”, Obamas’ newest tool for negotiation and diplomacy.
Feel the heat, baby.
new line of defense
| 786 |
VegasRick Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:09:25am |
re: #774 taxfreekiller
THOU SHALL ALLOW MILLIONS TO DIE TO AVOID WAR AND BLAME GEORGE BUSH.
You’re quoting Avanti’s talking points again.
| 788 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:09:45am |
re: #742 vxbush
Heh. How about a quick test: What is everyone’s response to my current avatar? I can tell you that for me, it would be gone within five minutes. :D
I’m lovin’ it, girl!
| 789 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:09:58am |
re: #772 realwest
and soxfan4life I don’t know but I think it’s a tad early to start drinking this morning.
The New York Giants are gonna win it ALL this year, if only ONE of the 3 Wide Recievers we drafted or someone we sign or trade for at Wide receiver can cut it. Eli Manning is THE REAL DEAL and we had TWO - count ‘em - TWO 1,000 yard rushers last year.
Cowboys? Eagles? LOL!
The Patriots are going to win it this year. Brady has alot to prove and Belichicks system doesn’t require a 1000 yard rusher. Fred Taylor is going to look pretty good in the Pat’s backfield and Moss will break his own TD reception record.
| 790 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:09:59am |
Actually, sitting here, thinking about it, I bet I could make a ‘smore keyboard. Hmmmm…..that would actually make a very cool dessert for a party or a potluck.
| 791 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:10:00am |
re: #772 realwest
and soxfan4life I don’t know but I think it’s a tad early to start drinking this morning.
The New York Giants are gonna win it ALL this year, if only ONE of the 3 Wide Recievers we drafted or someone we sign or trade for at Wide receiver can cut it. Eli Manning is THE REAL DEAL and we had TWO - count ‘em - TWO 1,000 yard rushers last year.
Cowboys? Eagles? LOL!
when the season starts you will just be another target…I hate the gints almost as much as the iggles….
| 792 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:10:02am |
| 794 |
razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:10:06am |
re: #772 realwest
and soxfan4life I don’t know but I think it’s a tad early to start drinking this morning.
The New York Giants are gonna win it ALL this year, if only ONE of the 3 Wide Recievers we drafted or someone we sign or trade for at Wide receiver can cut it. Eli Manning is THE REAL DEAL and we had TWO - count ‘em - TWO 1,000 yard rushers last year.
Cowboys? Eagles? LOL!
Matt Jones is still available. And I bet that cocaine is ever so much easier to find in NYC than Fayetteville.
| 795 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:10:11am |
re: #710 yma o hyd
Hey there {yma} good to see you! How are you this afternoon?
| 796 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:10:27am |
re: #761 Occasional Reader
Let me rephrase— I haven’t seen any review or discussion of the Tavris book, from either the left or right, that didn’t distort what the book actually says.
The book itself, especially the chapter on brain science, is very worth reading. As a historian of science Tavris is great.
| 798 |
irish rose Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:11:01am |
re: #770 lincolntf
If you’re relying on other people’s money to keep you healthy and alive, the best answer would be to earn more money. Might sound cold, but that’s real life.
You’re right, it is cold.
You might consider that not everyone has the same physical and economic advantages in life.
You might also think about the elderly and the disabled.
God forbid that they should dare be a financial drain on your pocketbook.
Oh right I forget, we’ll have euthanasia centers for those useless folks.
No worries.
| 799 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:11:02am |
re: #770 lincolntf
If you’re relying on other people’s money to keep you healthy and alive, the best answer would be to earn more money. Might sound cold, but that’s real life.
What about those who cannot work because they’re disabled or too sick to work? Do we let them die?
| 800 |
Macker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:11:03am |
re: #793 taxfreekiller
THOU SHALL BELIEVE ANY CLIMATE CHANGE LIE AL GORE EVER UDDERS.
There, fixed that for ya!
| 802 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:11:53am |
re: #740 avanti
The spin was made by misreading his interview comments and I’m tired of posting links. The simple fact is if you don’t like Obama, you’ll read negatives into a comment, if you do, you’ll get unicorns and rainbows. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
So let me get this straight: You’re claiming Obama did not actually say the following:
But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.And that hasn’t shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court-focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that.
| 803 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:11:58am |
re: #794 razorbacker
Matt Jones is still available. And I bet that cocaine is ever so much easier to find in NYC than Fayetteville.
Maybe they can trade one of those 1000 yard rushers to Buffalo for TO let him ruin yet another NFC East team.
| 804 |
HoosierHoops Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:12:22am |
re: #693 turn
Morning hoops. Yeah, but the way real spelled it was funny - sounded like “growl” which is what the dude does most of the time. Still $144 mil? no way that guy deserves that.
Well the logic behind the 144ml is without him there is no show…They pull in almost a Billion a year from that show.
Simon wants a bigger chuck of the pie.
| 805 |
haakondahl Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:12:25am |
re: #674 iceweasel
There is no reason to attribute the differences to neurotypology— and there is a long history of ‘scientists’ looking to differences in neurotypology to justify sexism (and racism).And all attempts to trace the ‘differences’ to brain structure alone have failed.
And Darwinism has been used by all sorts of bad people in ill-considered attempts to justify their own excesses. It says nothing about the validity of Darwinism.
In the absence of complete certainty about where the differences come from, it IS certain that unfounded claims that “men and women’s brains are different” is both false and sexist.
Not so much, as absence of evidence does not constitute evidence of absence.
If you say potayto, and I say potahto, and the dictionary hasn’t been discovered yet, neither one should take offense at the other’s pronunciation.
There is more evidence for a physiological explanation of a propensity for violent crime (think XYY) than there is for homosexuality, yet homosexuality is politely regarded as an inborn thing, whereas criminality is considered a choice.
BBIAB
| 807 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:12:37am |
re: #790 vxbush
Actually, sitting here, thinking about it, I bet I could make a ‘smore keyboard. Hmmmm…..that would actually make a very cool dessert for a party or a potluck.
I’m sure you could. You’d have to stick a lot of graham crackers together with icing to start with.
| 808 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:12:51am |
re: #781 taxfreekiller
THOU SHALL FALL DOWN BEFORE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE OF THE ONE.
| 809 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:13:06am |
Here’s a brief update on Iran:
[Link: tehranbureau.com…]
(Nice cartoon on top of the page …)
| 810 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:13:12am |
re: #797 Mithrax
Heh, would you believe that I am terrified of the Leafs winning the Stanley Cup? This town would go insane.
| 812 |
vxbush Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:13:39am |
re: #804 HoosierHoops
Well the logic behind the 144ml is without him there is no show…They pull in almost a Billion a year from that show.
Simon wants a bigger chuck of the pie.
Hey: as much as I dislike the show and have less than fond feelings for the guy, if he’s the reason why the show is so popular, then there’s something to be said for being compensated appropriately. I can’t make money that way, but more power to him. I just wish society would not reward that kind of behavior, but it does.
| 813 |
Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:14:00am |
re: #810 BlueCanuck
Heh, would you believe that I am terrified of the Leafs winning the Stanley Cup? This town would go insane.
Nah, everyone would have a heart attack :)
| 814 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:14:02am |
Savage put up a very creepy post at the stalker blog last night.
| 815 |
VegasRick Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:14:57am |
re: #811 taxfreekiller
BLESSED BE THE ACORN VOTE COUNTERS, FOR THEY ARE THE ONE’S ENABLERS.
You are on a roll!
| 816 |
CommonCents Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:15:20am |
re: #801 taxfreekiller
LIES BY JOHN F. KERRY ARE NOW YOUR TRUTH, SO SAY THE MSM.
LOL! You’re killing me.
| 817 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:15:28am |
re: #770 lincolntf
If you’re relying on other people’s money to keep you healthy and alive, the best answer would be to earn more money. Might sound cold, but that’s real life.
tell it to realwest.
| 819 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:15:36am |
re: #812 vxbush
Hey: as much as I dislike the show and have less than fond feelings for the guy, if he’s the reason why the show is so popular, then there’s something to be said for being compensated appropriately. I can’t make money that way, but more power to him. I just wish society would not reward that kind of behavior, but it does.
it’s just a different sort of ShamWow…it’s all pointless
| 820 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:15:39am |
re: #810 BlueCanuck
Heh, would you believe that I am terrified of the Leafs winning the Stanley Cup? This town would go insane.
Not only that but the NHL would have gone to hell. *ducks*
| 821 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:15:41am |
re: #775 iceweasel
In reality it’s quite good, and as Tavris has a science background she does know what she’s talking about.
“Social psychology and sociology”… hmm. If I had to pick the two sciences that were most prone to political agenda-driven distortion, those would certainly be on the short list.
| 822 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:15:46am |
re: #742 vxbush
Heh. How about a quick test: What is everyone’s response to my current avatar? I can tell you that for me, it would be gone within five minutes. :D
Good morning vxbush! I love it, but how are y’all gonna type on that sucker after the five minutes or so is up?
| 823 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:16:19am |
re: #782 avanti
Sort of, will do just fine, thank you.
I didn’t mean to give you personal offense, and I’ve no doubt that *you’re* not sexist— I only objected, very pedantically, to the phrase about ‘our brains are wired differently”.
I know (now) you meant that ‘we process information differently’, and that I can’t disagree with— and btw, science does bear you out!— but far too many people think that means men and women literally have different kinds of brains— and that’s one of the specific areas where I always kick up a fuss when I see it.
cheers, Ice
| 824 |
lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:16:45am |
re: #798 irish rose
re: #799 MandyManners
Obviously we shouldn’t let the poor and frail die in the streets. We don’t now. I fully support maintaining Medicare and Medicaid. I am being a realist. Somebody will always have to pay for health care, and forcing me to pay for my neighbor’s only makes me poorer.
| 825 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:17:15am |
re: #795 realwest
Hey there {yma} good to see you! How are you this afternoon?
Hiya, {rw!
Got a splitting headache, ever since I got up.
Dunno how long I can keep hanging in here, tbh …
Hope you are well, and your Mom!
I really dislike this oppressive weather, sigh.
| 827 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:17:58am |
re: #802 Occasional Reader
” Obama does speak positively of “redistributive change,” but he doesn’t describe its absence as a tragedy. In fact, what Obama actually said was that “one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was that the civil rights movement became so court-focused.” It is a focus on the courts that Obama says is tragic, not the lack of redistribution of wealth. Had the movement engaged in more traditional politicking and organizing, he said, it might have been able to achieve more on that front.”
| 828 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:18:14am |
re: #722 Occasional Reader
THERE ARE NO PHYSICAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN!
Wow. The things I learn here.
Obviously he hasn’t taken a close look at Adriana Lima OR. There is at least two subtle difference that turn can see.
[Link: www.redsarmy.com…]
| 829 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:18:32am |
re: #814 Killgore Trout
Savage put up a very creepy post at the stalker blog last night.
In other news: The sun rose in the east this morning…
| 830 |
opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:19:23am |
re: #709 soxfan4life
I thought Rahm referred to 0 as my bitch.
Unless they’re feelin funky, then Rahm says beyotch
| 832 |
lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:19:47am |
re: #817 wahabicorridor
It’s not a perfect world, what can I say? People get sick (myself and my own family certainly not excluded) and people die. Socializing the medical system will not improve the situation, it will make it worse.
| 833 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:20:05am |
re: #829 Occasional Reader
In other news: The sun rose in the east this morning…
And the current administration blames the previous one for whatever the crises of the day are.
| 834 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:20:05am |
re: #826 taxfreekiller
THOU SHALL PAINT ALL REPUBLICANS AS TOOLS OF THE LOON RON PAUL UNTIL THE INTERNET DIES OF LACK OF MICROPROCESSORS.
Here’s my contribution
THOUS SHALT PAINT TEA PARTIES AS STALKING HORSES FOR STORMFRONT SO ELECTED REPRESNETATIVES WILL IGNORE THE WILL OF THE CITIZENS
| 835 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:20:18am |
re: #742 vxbush
Heh. How about a quick test: What is everyone’s response to my current avatar? I can tell you that for me, it would be gone within five minutes. :D
I want it.
I want it now.
| 836 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:21:00am |
re: #829 Occasional Reader
In other news: The sun rose in the east this morning…
Oh… oh… and if you haven’t heard, some conservatives like what Ron Paul has to say.
| 837 |
HoosierHoops Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:21:13am |
| 838 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:21:23am |
| 839 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:21:27am |
re: #832 lincolntf
It’s not a perfect world, what can I say? People get sick (myself and my own family certainly not excluded) and people die. Socializing the medical system will not improve the situation, it will make it worse.
I agree absolutely. Let’s just say your previous statement ‘lacked nuance’.
| 840 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:21:34am |
re: #836 Walter L. Newton
Oh… oh… and if you haven’t heard, some conservatives like what Ron Paul has to say.
And William F. Buckley is rolling in his grave.
| 842 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:22:25am |
re: #789 soxfan4life
The Patriots are going to win it this year. Brady has alot to prove and Belichicks system doesn’t require a 1000 yard rusher. Fred Taylor is going to look pretty good in the Pat’s backfield and Moss will break his own TD reception record.
Well I certainly believe that the Pat’s will have a good team. But I think the Giants overall will be the better team. Hope they meet in the Superbowl again!
| 843 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:22:46am |
re: #821 Occasional Reader
“Social psychology and sociology”… hmm. If I had to pick the two sciences that were most prone to political agenda-driven distortion, those would certainly be on the short list.
Quite right- but read it, or don’t.
I can assure you she’s well regarded in the cognitive psych community- which is hardcore, and not fuzzy.
Or go check out her CV, and who she’s co-authored with, in other disciplines.
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wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:23:06am |
re: #825 yma o hyd
Got a splitting headache, ever since I got up.
Poor you. Is your four-legged guest still there?
/can you (kinda) tell me how ‘yma’ is pronounced? (If that works I’ll ask about ‘hyd’)
| 845 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:23:20am |
re: #840 Kosh’s Shadow
And William F. Buckley is rolling in his grave.
And punks are against the Federal Reserve. Gosh, Ron Paul is everywhere… run… run…
[Link: www.indybay.org…]
| 846 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:23:25am |
re: #823 iceweasel
I didn’t mean to give you personal offense, and I’ve no doubt that *you’re* not sexist— I only objected, very pedantically, to the phrase about ‘our brains are wired differently”.
I know (now) you meant that ‘we process information differently’, and that I can’t disagree with— and btw, science does bear you out!— but far too many people think that means men and women literally have different kinds of brains— and that’s one of the specific areas where I always kick up a fuss when I see it.
cheers, Ice
Let me test your sense of humor, some truths buried in between the jokes and no offense intended to either sex.
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turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:23:33am |
re: #804 HoosierHoops
Well the logic behind the 144ml is without him there is no show…They pull in almost a Billion a year from that show.
Simon wants a bigger chuck of the pie.
A billion? wow, didn’t know it was that big.
| 848 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:23:40am |
US Treasury sets wide scope for new consumer agency
The U.S. Treasury on Tuesday sent Congress proposed legislation to create a new regulatory agency with sweeping powers to write and enforce tough new consumer protection rules for banks and other financial institutions.
The legislative language fleshes out plans for widespread changes to U.S. financial regulations the Obama administration released on June 17.
The proposed Consumer Financial Protection Agency aims to protect Americans from abusive practices widely employed during the recent housing and credit boom, such as deceptive and undocumented mortgage lending, poor loan disclosures, and unfair interest rate increases and “fee traps” on credit cards.
A lot of people will freak out over this but it’s probably a good thing.
| 850 |
nyc redneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:23:45am |
re: #841 taxfreekiller
THOU SHALT BY TWO’S ENTER THE REDISTRIBUTION RESERVATION THE
WISE NO RESUME OBAMA AND THE CHICAGO THUGS HAVE PREPARED FOR YOU.
just tell me they have cake and beer. (bass ale would be fine)
| 851 |
soxfan4life Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:24:24am |
re: #842 realwest
Well I certainly believe that the Pat’s will have a good team. But I think the Giants overall will be the better team. Hope they meet in the Superbowl again!
Anybody but the Steelers for the AFC, but the Pats Giants would be really good. How is Omanyura’s(sp) knee this year?
| 852 |
Jack Burton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:24:34am |
re: #834 wahabicorridor
Here’s my contribution
THOUS SHALT PAINT TEA PARTIES AS STALKING HORSES FOR STORMFRONT SO ELECTED REPRESNETATIVES WILL IGNORE THE WILL OF THE CITIZENS
You can try to pretend like this problem does not exist. To all of our detriment. Want CBBHO in office until 2016? Step one is to pretend Paulian loons and neo-nazis aren’t infiltrating and or taking over some “grassroots conservative movements”. It’s entryism and it is happening.
| 854 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:24:56am |
re: #849 taxfreekiller
Ron Paul and Obama have equally thin resumes.
Then what is he doing in your Dallas tea party?
| 855 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:24:58am |
re: #827 avanti
” Obama does speak positively of “redistributive change,” but he doesn’t describe its absence as a tragedy. In fact, what Obama actually said was that “one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was that the civil rights movement became so court-focused.” It is a focus on the courts that Obama says is tragic, not the lack of redistribution of wealth. Had the movement engaged in more traditional politicking and organizing, he said, it might have been able to achieve more on that front.”
Talk about spin.
Allow me to repeat the real Obama pull quote here:
It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.
Which part of this don’t you understand? Obama clearly believes the Constitution is flawed because it’s only a charter of “negative liberties”. I happen to believe that’s one of the document’s great enduring STRENGTHS. And he thinks it’s problematic that the Constitution doesn’t spell out a long bill of social welfare “rights”. Again… he either fundamentally misunderstands the document, or seems to be fundmentally pining for a very different kind of constitution.
By the way, on those “positive rights”? I was skimming through the Honduran Constitution yesterday, in light of current events. Obama would love it… it’s got all sorts of wonderful positive rights “guaranteed” to the Honduran citizens. How’s that worked out for them? (2008 per capita GDP: $4,400)
| 856 |
Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:25:11am |
re: #847 turn
A billion? wow, didn’t know it was that big.
It’s advertising hell. Lots of younger people watch it, so it’s a bombardment trying to band these innocent minds.
| 857 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:25:16am |
re: #848 Killgore Trout
US Treasury sets wide scope for new consumer agency
A lot of people will freak out over this but it’s probably a good thing.
prosecuting Frank and Dodd would be an even better thing
| 858 |
irish rose Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:25:18am |
re: #814 Killgore Trout
Savage put up a very creepy post at the stalker blog last night.
Savage can kiss my Irish ass.
| 859 |
HoosierHoops Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:25:37am |
re: #842 realwest
Well I certainly believe that the Pat’s will have a good team. But I think the Giants overall will be the better team. Hope they meet in the Superbowl again!
When I talk to God I know he understands
He said set by me hoosier and watch the colts win
| 860 |
opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:25:38am |
re: #827 avanti
” Obama does speak positively of “redistributive change,” but he doesn’t describe its absence as a tragedy. In fact, what Obama actually said was that “one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was that the civil rights movement became so court-focused.” It is a focus on the courts that Obama says is tragic, not the lack of redistribution of wealth. Had the movement engaged in more traditional politicking and organizing, he said, it might have been able to achieve more on that front.”
Avanti, I believe that it was a Rasmussen poll in which something like 42% of Independents that voted for Obama said that they did not realise that he was so liberal. How they missed it is mind boggling.
| 861 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:25:41am |
re: #848 Killgore Trout
such as deceptive and undocumented mortgage lending, poor loan disclosures,
Barney Frank ain’t gonna like it.
| 863 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:26:06am |
re: #827 avanti
” Obama does speak positively of “redistributive change,” but he doesn’t describe its absence as a tragedy. In fact, what Obama actually said was that “one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was that the civil rights movement became so court-focused.” It is a focus on the courts that Obama says is tragic, not the lack gof redistribution of wealth. Had the movement engaged in more traditional politicking and organizing, he said, it might have been able to achieve more on that front.”
the irony here is that obama was advocating an essentially conservative position with respect to the civil rights movement— he was advocating bottom-up change rather than change being legislated by the courts.
| 864 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:26:08am |
re: #836 Walter L. Newton
Oh… oh… and if you haven’t heard, some conservatives like what Ron Paul has to say.
I actually wasn’t aiming a slap at Killgore over this, just noting that creepy posts from Savage have become rather routine, it seems.
| 865 |
legalpad Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:26:22am |
re: #757 irish rose
The healthcare industry as we know it today is broken and corrupt, and there’s no getting away from that.
People shouldn’t have to suffer and die because they can’t afford medical treatment or medication, but it happens all the time in this country.
Something has to be done to fix the problem. It’s easy enough to say that socialized healthcare is not the answer, but what is the answer then? Whats’ the better alternative?
Well -
1. Broken and corrupt - I hear this a lot. I think it is necessary to be specific here. The obvious answer to “broken” is “fix it”, not “replace” it. As for “corrupt”: this is the issue of fraud. Prosecute it.
2. “It happens all the time in this country.” I don’t disagree. But once upon a time I had no medical insurance and hobbled into an emergency room in excruciating pain with a life-threatening ulcer. They fixed it. $16,000. After filling out various applications the state and other entities paid for it. Why setting up some sweeping system which systematically deprives everyone equally would be viewed as a solution escapes me.
3. Better alternative: Tax credit similar to Earned Income Credit to fund qualifying medical Insurance. Like the $3 contribution to the Presidential campaign fund. Insurance companies required to carry “assigned risk”, like the auto-insurance people. Funding: Optimum tax rates, that is, tax rates designed to bring in the most revenue, not “make things fair” at a monetary loss (as per Charlie Gibson interview with Obama.) Cut out all foreign aid, all pork, and really obvious waste. Drill for our own oil (we do it cleaner than the people we buy from) and build the new small nuclear power facilities. If someone complains about these measures we can ask ourselves if it would be better to let our children die so we can send Egypt money, for example.
The sweeping generalities are a mask for massive theft, and overly simplistic ideological structuring. We can retain our leading edge research and our timely triage of life-threatening illnesses while making damn sure that some podunk hospital somewhere does not turn away anyone.
| 866 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:26:38am |
$100 million dollar lawsuit has been filed against the DC Metro. I’m sure there will be many more to come.
[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com…]
| 867 |
Gang of One Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:26:41am |
| 868 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:26:48am |
re: #864 Occasional Reader
I actually wasn’t aiming a slap at Killgore over this, just noting that creepy posts from Savage have become rather routine, it seems.
I apologize, noted.
| 869 |
razorbacker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:26:54am |
I make it my practice to leap out of bed and get to work as soon as the first sunbeam peeps through the window.
It is much easier to do so since we moved the bedroom to a room with only west facing windows.
Even so, I must be going.
| 870 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:27:30am |
re: #852 ArchangelMichael
You can try to pretend like this problem does not exist. To all of our detriment. Want CBBHO in office until 2016? Step one is to pretend Paulian loons and neo-nazis aren’t infiltrating and or taking over some “grassroots conservative movements”. It’s entryism and it is happening.
I’m not. But that’s hardly unusual - or maybe a better word is ‘unexpected’. I’m just as concerned about ACORN’s influence on the census. That doesn’t mean I want to lose the census.
| 871 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:27:36am |
re: #814 Killgore Trout
Savage put up a very creepy post at the stalker blog last night.
Yes- it’s creepy, but I’m not afraid of him. He’s a coward.
| 872 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:27:39am |
re: #853 buzzsawmonkey
According to MSM artists, Capon Trade is a bad bill because it’s too weak
How long did it take you to peck that out on your keyboard?
| 873 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:27:47am |
re: #853 buzzsawmonkey
According to MSM artists, Capon Trade is a bad bill because it’s too weak
The Capon Trade bill will be henpecked to death in the Senate!
| 876 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:28:29am |
re: #798 irish rose
Good morning Irish Rose! And you are manifestly correct. Mom and I are both on Medicare and this past month we fell into the Medicare Gap and between us now have to pay the next $9,400 of prescription medications.
Regrettably, we won’t make $9,400 between us between now and the end of the year to spend on drugs, unless we a) stop paying rent b) stop eating and c) don’t use any electricity.
What pisses ME off is that I’ve paid WAY more into Social Security than I’ll ever live to receive, even without interest being added to the principal amount I’ve paid in, I’m gonna leave over $100K in SS when I die.
Yep, it’s a damn cold world out there.
| 877 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:28:29am |
re: #858 irish rose
I’m a little concerned that somebody could get hurt.
| 878 |
HoosierHoops Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:28:38am |
I leave you with one of the most special words of the work day..
LUNCH!
| 879 |
VegasRick Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:29:02am |
| 880 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:29:04am |
re: #873 Occasional Reader
The Capon Trade bill will be henpecked to death in the Senate!
The bill is a real turkey.
| 882 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:29:15am |
re: #814 Killgore Trout
Savage put up a very creepy post at the stalker blog last night.
We saw it. He can go blow himself (or Rodan for that matter).
| 883 |
jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:29:18am |
re: #848 Killgore Trout
US Treasury sets wide scope for new consumer agency
A lot of people will freak out over this but it’s probably a good thing.
Why?
A whole new regulatory agency?
| 884 |
Jack Burton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:29:33am |
re: #875 taxfreekiller
More danger.
Nancy Pelosi
Harry Reid
John F. Kerry
Barney Frank
Chris Dodd
Chuck Schummer
Ted Kennedy
Henry Waxman
Earth First Terror
Greenpeace Kooks
Al Gorewho have real power over the House, Senate and President.
Yep and when you let kooks take over your party, don’t be surprised when these commies get left in power.
| 887 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:30:22am |
re: #882 Honorary Yooper
We saw it. He can go blow himself (or Rodan for that matter).
Is he from Nantucket?
| 888 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:30:40am |
re: #855 Occasional Reader
Which part of this don’t you understand? Obama clearly believes the Constitution is flawed because it’s only a charter of “negative liberties”. I happen to believe that’s one of the document’s great enduring STRENGTHS. And he thinks it’s problematic that the Constitution doesn’t spell out a long bill of social welfare “rights”. Again… he either fundamentally misunderstands the document, or seems to be fundmentally pining for a very different kind of constitution.
By the way, on those “positive rights”? I was skimming through the Honduran Constitution yesterday, in light of current events. Obama would love it… it’s got all sorts of wonderful positive rights “guaranteed” to the Honduran citizens. How’s that worked out for them? (2008 per capita GDP: $4,400)
The Constitution is flawed because it’s only a charter of “negative liberties” is a true statement. It’s not a statement of what you can do, but only what you can not do. It did not give women or blacks the right to vote for example, and that flaw was corrected.
| 889 |
VegasRick Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:30:47am |
| 890 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:30:51am |
re: #844 wahabicorridor
Poor you. Is your four-legged guest still there?
/can you (kinda) tell me how ‘yma’ is pronounced? (If that works I’ll ask about ‘hyd’)
The gorgeous holiday visitor (four-legged) went home yesterday … I do miss him, and i don’t know what to do with my left hand, now that I don’t ahve a dog on his lead there …
As for the pronounciation - the ‘y’ in ‘yma’ is a short, dark-sounding ‘i’, as it ‘wit’, not found in the English language. The ‘a’ is an ‘a’ as in ‘b-a-ll’, and the stress is on the ‘y’.
The ‘y’ in ‘hyd’, however, is a long, dark-sounding ‘i’, as in ‘weep’ - again, difficult to describe, not found in the English language.
Oh - and the ‘o’ is short, as in ‘bottle’ …
| 891 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:31:01am |
re: #880 Kosh’s Shadow
The bill is a real turkey.
Hopefully, rather than a big legislative bang, it’ll prove to be a damp squab. I mean, squib.
| 892 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:31:14am |
re: #877 Killgore Trout
I’m a little concerned that somebody could get hurt.
Just make a joke about it like other people do. Because it’s all just fun and games when psychopaths claim to have your personal information, right?
| 893 |
MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:31:24am |
| 895 |
irish rose Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:31:53am |
re: #877 Killgore Trout
They’ve been reported to law enforcement, and their site is under surveillance.
Enough said.
| 896 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:32:09am |
re: #823 iceweasel
I didn’t mean to give you personal offense, and I’ve no doubt that *you’re* not sexist— I only objected, very pedantically, to the phrase about ‘our brains are wired differently”.
I know (now) you meant that ‘we process information differently’, and that I can’t disagree with— and btw, science does bear you out!— but far too many people think that means men and women literally have different kinds of brains— and that’s one of the specific areas where I always kick up a fuss when I see it.
cheers, Ice
ok, I’ll chime in on this just to point out that by “wired” I knew avanti wasn’t suggesting that men and women actually have different brains but that he meant they do work differently at times. This was never more clear to me than when the turnwife was going into labor and I learned that Oxytocin has a half life of THREE MINUTES. Just imagine that, what a miraculous hormone. We have a different chemistry and this no doubt influences the way we process information.
| 897 |
Honorary Yooper Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:32:18am |
re: #877 Killgore Trout
I’m a little concerned that somebody could get hurt.
Concern understood, but this shit they’re doing needs to come to a sudden halt.
| 898 |
CommonCents Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:32:35am |
re: #855 Occasional Reader
… he either fundamentally misunderstands the document, or seems to be fundmentally pining for a very different kind of constitution.
By the way, on those “positive rights”? I was skimming through the Honduran Constitution yesterday, in light of current events. Obama would love it… it’s got all sorts of wonderful positive rights “guaranteed” to the Honduran citizens. How’s that worked out for them? (2008 per capita GDP: $4,400)
I recall another country that recently redrafted certain constitutional protections. Venzuela I think it was.
| 899 |
Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:32:44am |
re: #890 yma o hyd
The gorgeous holiday visitor (four-legged) went home yesterday … I do miss him, and i don’t know what to do with my left hand, now that I don’t ahve a dog on his lead there …
As for the pronounciation - the ‘y’ in ‘yma’ is a short, dark-sounding ‘i’, as it ‘wit’, not found in the English language. The ‘a’ is an ‘a’ as in ‘b-a-ll’, and the stress is on the ‘y’.
The ‘y’ in ‘hyd’, however, is a long, dark-sounding ‘i’, as in ‘weep’ - again, difficult to describe, not found in the English language.
Oh - and the ‘o’ is short, as in ‘bottle’ …
| 900 |
jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:32:45am |
re: #863 iceweasel
the irony here is that obama was advocating an essentially conservative position with respect to the civil rights movement— he was advocating bottom-up change rather than change being legislated by the courts.
No he wasn’t. He was speaking of the Constitution as flawed, a contract of negative rights for government. Restraining what government can do. He would like a Constitution of positive rights for government, what government is required to do for you.
The Conservative position is a that the Constitution is a contract of negative rights for government.
He was bemoaning that fact that the Warren court did not get in government exercising positive rights and ensuring economic justice.
| 901 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:32:48am |
| 902 |
lincolntf Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:33:01am |
| 903 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:33:21am |
re: #878 HoosierHoops
I leave you with one of the most special words of the work day..
LUNCH!
That is not quite as good as “My relief is finally here”. :)
/still 4.5 hours to go before I can make that statement.
| 904 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:33:35am |
re: #888 avanti
The Constitution is flawed because it’s only a charter of “negative liberties” is a true statement. It’s not a statement of what you can do, but only what you can not do. It did not give women or blacks the right to vote for example, and that flaw was corrected.
You basically do not understand the vocabulary here, I’m afraid. Or you’re pretending not to, anyway.
| 906 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:33:52am |
re: #881 taxfreekiller
Come down and see for your self.
Casting stones first or what.
TFK… stop trying to ignore the fact that Ron Paul and a number of other very right wing paleo-conservatives have gotten their paws into the Tea Party, and into some of the conservative agenda in general.
I’m far from obsesses with this like Killgore is, but, the facts are out there for anyone to see, it’s not open to interpretation, it’s a fact.
What not new is this sort of anti-fed, Bircher thinking has been around much longer than most Lizards here, including Killgore.
But, it’s still good to be aware that this thinking has never gone away, and it ebbs and wanes, over the decades.
It’s ebbing right now, and it should be on your radar. Less than that, you are simply lying to yourself, or, you actually agree with the likes of Ron Paul.
| 907 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:34:04am |
re: #817 wahabicorridor
Thank you. But Medicare and SSDI have already told me that.
And worse yet, they’ve (well, SS, not SSDI) have told Mom that.
| 908 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:34:37am |
A small team of Iranian activists calling themselves Green Ninja are roaming the night, painting symbols and slogans of the Green Revolution in an Iranian city.
| 910 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:35:11am |
re: #901 wahabicorridor
Ok, I tried the pronunciation.
The Fat Beagle barked at me.
My tongue fell on the floor.
| 911 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:35:12am |
re: #860 opnion
Avanti, I believe that it was a Rasmussen poll in which something like 42% of Independents that voted for Obama said that they did not realise that he was so liberal. How they missed it is mind boggling.
Many assumed he was liberal, but would govern more toward the center. Many on the left are pissed because of the troop surge in Iraq, the support of many of Bush’s policies and more. He seems a leftie to most on here, more moderate by the general population. i.e. the voters want national health care, many on the right call it socialism.
| 912 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:35:32am |
re: #848 Killgore Trout
US Treasury sets wide scope for new consumer agency
A lot of people will freak out over this but it’s probably a good thing.
There are a fair number of abuses in the banking industry, but this will probably end up working about as well as the federal controls over mortgages.
People who shouldn’t get credit will be able to (because it would be discrimination otherwise), but the banks won’t be able to get it back in fees and interest on those who do deserve it, so we’ll all get screwed.
But I agree the banks engage in some deceptive practices. I’ve seen offers for balance transfers with very low interest rates that expire in 2 months.
They’re down to sending the bills out barely three weeks before payment is due. They don’t even post the bills on the websites until then, now. (And they could post them within a few minutes of when the period closed).
They jack up interest rates when you’ve been paying on time.
I’d almost trust Republicans to limit the regulations to those that are reasonable. But not the socialists we have in power now.
| 913 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:35:38am |
re: #896 turn
ok, I’ll chime in on this just to point out that by “wired” I knew avanti wasn’t suggesting that men and women actually have different brains but that he meant they do work differently at times. This was never more clear to me than when the turnwife was going into labor and I learned that Oxytocin has a half life of THREE MINUTES. Just imagine that, what a miraculous hormone. We have a different chemistry and this no doubt influences the way we process information.
That’s cool!
Like I already said to avanti, I’m a total pedant about the phrase “our brains are wired differently”.
Lots of people even now take that very literally. And that’s wrong.
Insofar as we’re claiming that men and women think and act differently, (on the psych level) or process info differently (on the neuro level), I’m fine with that.
| 915 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:36:05am |
re: #907 realwest
Thank you. But Medicare and SSDI have already told me that.
And worse yet, they’ve (well, SS, not SSDI) have told Mom that.
I’ve had 3 medical professional check into this for you.
check your email in a few minutes.
| 917 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:37:03am |
re: #913 iceweasel
Like I already said to avanti, I’m a total pedant about the phrase “our brains are wired differently”.
Lots of people even now take that very literally
To be clear: I do not literally believe there are wires in either your brain, or mine…
[Hopefully not, anyway]
| 918 |
SummerSong Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:37:05am |
re: #559 legalpad
I’ll cut it off myself. I’ve done it before.
Years ago my first born slammed his bedroom door and turned up his stereo to blaring, in an effort to not hear me on the other side.
First, I cut the power to the house, unlocked his door with a bobby pin and finally removed the door from its hinges.
He never tried that kind of thing again.
| 919 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:37:15am |
re: #825 yma o hyd
Uh, again with the one armed hug! Seriously though, have you had headaches like this before? If so, how frequently? Y’all ought to get on a neurologist’s waiting list over there in GB - might be able to help you when they see you in,oh, six months or so!
I surely do hope you feel really better really quickly.
| 920 |
jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:37:40am |
re: #888 avanti
The Constitution is flawed because it’s only a charter of “negative liberties” is a true statement. It’s not a statement of what you can do, but only what you can not do. It did not give women or blacks the right to vote for example, and that flaw was corrected.
The founders intended the Constitution to be a contract of negative liberties.
It’s designed by construct and intent to LIMIT GOVERNMENT.
| 921 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:38:10am |
re: #900 jcm
He would like a Constitution of positive rights for government, what government is required to do for you..
Disagree. I’ve seen nothing to indicate that this is the case. At all.
| 922 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:38:26am |
re: #899 Mithrax
Teeheehee!
You should see how the Irish write their Gaelic - not even a kitteh and a laptop could come up with that!
| 923 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:38:52am |
re: #912 Kosh’s Shadow
I’m still waiting to see what they do. There are some commonsense regulations that need to be in place. We’ll have to see how far they take it and if they try some sort of social engineering.
| 924 |
opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:39:01am |
re: #848 Killgore Trout
The banks got a huge capital infusion on the taxpayer. They need to loosen up credit.
| 925 |
VegasRick Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:39:08am |
re: #919 realwest
Uh, again with the one armed hug! Seriously though, have you had headaches like this before? If so, how frequently? Y’all ought to get on a neurologist’s waiting list over there in GB - might be able to help you when they see you in,oh, six months or so!
I surely do hope you feel really better really quickly.
Don’t worry Rela, Ozero will save us all!
Just ask Avanti!
| 926 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:39:16am |
re: #901 wahabicorridor
Ok, I tried the pronunciation.
The Fat Beagle barked at me.
The Fat Beagle is obviously English …
;-)
How is she, btw?
| 927 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:39:40am |
re: #922 yma o hyd
Teeheehee!
You should see how the Irish write their Gaelic - not even a kitteh and a laptop could come up with that!
I hear a lot of whiskey and beer was involved.
/kidding…..
| 929 |
VegasRick Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:39:52am |
| 931 |
saylorfam Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:40:29am |
re: #738 lincolntf
Went to High School with Larry Summers…..
| 932 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:40:31am |
Instapundit is quite open and honest about the Paulian agenda of the Tea Parties…..
June 30, 2009
Ron Paul’s “Audit the Fed” Bill Gaining Steam.
…..
The sentiment was certainly showing at Monday’s Nashville Tea Party protest.
| 933 |
CommonCents Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:40:49am |
I saw one of those young hippy cars yesterday that has ALL of the lefty bumper stickers on it. So many you can’t see thru the rear window. As is typical with me, I read as many as I could while speeding by. You’re familiar with the list, Obama, Peace, Republicans suck, etc. etc.
I saw one in the mess that I hadn’t seen before. It was a simple red lettered “commie.”
The little punk who left unshaven blocks of hair in various portions of his face to accent the metal hanging from his nose and lips received the standard salute. “You’re number one”, I said. ^^1^^
| 934 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:41:25am |
| 935 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:41:27am |
re: #851 soxfan4life
LOL! I can’t spell it either, but I think it’s Osymora or somesuch - it’s all better and we’ll have our all pro defensive end back at full strength!
| 936 |
Kragar Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:41:50am |
re: #908 NJDhockeyfan
Slogans are nice and all, but the traditional ninja activities of assassination and sabotage would probably benefit them more in the long run.
| 937 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:41:53am |
re: #911 avanti
… i.e. the voters want national health care, many on the right call it socialism.
Voters want a better health care system. They’ve been conned into thinking that only government can provide the solution.
Do you use the VA health care system?
| 938 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:42:04am |
This is interesting
Power and opposition in Iran start mass money export from country
Political crisis in Iran has led to mass outflow of capital from the country.
La Stampa, citing Italian intelligence service, reports that Iranian large banks started active money transfer from the country. Money are leaving both banks which are under control of Islamic Leadership of Iran and those relating to Rafsanjani that stands behind opposition presidential nominee Mir Hossein Musavi who has refused so far to admit his defeat in elections.Reconciliation between supporters and opponents of Makhmud Ahmadinejad is already impossible. Both sides are preparing for decisive fight following which anybody of them will have to flee from Iran.
According to La Stampa’s data, over the last 48 hours banks Saderat, Bank-e Melli, Bank-e Sepah and Melat have started transferring finances to Turkey, Malaysia, Pakistan, Indonesia and UAE. Money are transferred by not large tranches up to $10 million. According to Italian intelligence service, finances transferred abroad belong to different non-governmental funds submitted to Islamic Leadership of Iran.
Activity of the Iranian Fund of Repressed and Invalids of War, the Fund of Martyrs, the Homeyni Fund and other similar organizations are under close control of western intelligence services, considering that precisely through these funds Tehran finances such terrorist groups abroad as Hezbollah and HAMAS.
| 939 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:42:05am |
re: #926 yma o hyd
How is she, btw?
She was sick again yesterday, but this was a mild bout. Just vomiting one time.
Test results should be in by Friday.
| 940 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:42:14am |
re: #908 NJDhockeyfan
They are very very brave!
The Basij are still roaming the streets, especially at night, and are shooting to intimidate all those who still shout ‘allah akbar’ from the rooftops when its dark.
I fervently hope they won’t be caught, those ninjas!
| 941 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:42:33am |
re: #934 Killgore Trout
Agreed. I’m not sure when that’s going to happen.
it will not matter since unemployment keeps rising…something is out of control
| 942 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:42:41am |
re: #900 jcm
He was bemoaning that fact that the Warren court did not get in government exercising positive rights and ensuring economic justice.
It is clear from the interview that he said the opposite. He was pointing out that blacks were wasting their time with the courts trying to address distribution of wealth issues which the courts have no power to change because of the negative rights concept in the constitution.
He was suggesting ignoring the courts and working within the community to bring about economic change, not suggesting changing the constitution to a positive rights document.
| 943 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:42:44am |
re: #911 avanti
Many assumed he was liberal, but would govern more toward the center. Many on the left are pissed because of the troop surge in Iraq, the support of many of Bush’s policies and more. He seems a leftie to most on here, more moderate by the general population. i.e. the voters want national health care, many on the right call it socialism.
Absolutely. he’s basically center-left, in reality. And many on the left are furious with him.
And health care is an excellent example of an instance where he seems ‘left’ to people here and further right….but most Americans want some kind of change to the health care system, and this is one of the reasons they voted for him.
| 944 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:43:13am |
Here’s another triumph of the “postive rights” approach to drafting a constitution:
23. Every citizen has the right to rest, recreation and leisure. The State in co-operation with co-operatives, trade unions and other socio-economic organisations will guarantee this right by prescribing hours and conditions of work and by establishing holiday arrangements for workers, including a complex of cultural, educational and health institutions.
24. Every citizen has the right to free medical attention and also to social care in case of old age and disability.
25. Every citizen has a duty to participate in activities designed to improve the environment and protect the health of the nation.
26. Every citizen has the fight [sic] to proper housing accommodation.
27. Every citizen has the right to a free education from nursery to university as well as at non-formal laces share opportunities are provided for education and training.
28. Every young person has the right to ideological, social, cultural and vocational development and to the right of the socialist order of society.[etc.]
Guyana per capita GDP (2008): $3,900
It is generally believed that there are more Guyanese living outside the country than within it.
Three cheers for “positive rights”!
| 945 |
Gang of One Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:43:14am |
re: #888 avanti
The Constitution is flawed because it’s only a charter of “negative liberties” is a true statement. It’s not a statement of what you can do, but only what you can not do. It did not give women or blacks the right to vote for example, and that flaw was corrected.
IMHO, it did not give them the right as much as it recognized that they have the right and it was/is illegal to suppress it.
| 946 |
jorline Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:44:03am |
Good morning all.
Looks like Ron Paul is becoming the politician of choice.
Mr. Popular? Ron Paul Wins Supporters to Fed Sunshine Bill
A slew of top Republicans are backing the bill, as are many Democrats.
Paul, as of Tuesday, has won 245 co-sponsors to a bill that would require a full-fledged audit of the Federal Reserve by the end of 2010.
Unfortunately for Paul, the bill appears to be idling in the House Financial Services Committee, which is chaired by Barney Frank, D-Mass. The bill has been sitting there, gathering co-sponsors, since Paul introduced it in late February.
| 947 |
jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:44:05am |
re: #921 iceweasel
Disagree. I’ve seen nothing to indicate that this is the case. At all.
But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.
Obama’s own words….
| 948 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:44:25am |
re: #913 iceweasel
Taking that literally is just stupid, no doubt some people are that way but I’ve never known any man who actually thought that way. You might have the wrong impression about “lots” imo. Do you have any children ice? just curious.
| 949 |
opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:44:37am |
re: #900 jcm
No he wasn’t. He was speaking of the Constitution as flawed, a contract of negative rights for government. Restraining what government can do. He would like a Constitution of positive rights for government, what government is required to do for you.
The Conservative position is a that the Constitution is a contract of negative rights for government.
He was bemoaning that fact that the Warren court did not get in government exercising positive rights and ensuring economic justice.
Your analysis is correct. BHO sees lots of problems with the Constitution.
He wants wealth redistribution & clls it economic justice.
| 950 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:44:43am |
re: #941 albusteve
it will not matter since unemployment keeps rising…something is out of control
And if unemployment keeps rising Obama will be bounced out in 2012, no matter what else happens.
| 951 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:45:49am |
re: #938 NJDhockeyfan
It is interesting but they don’t provide a link the their source. That always raises alarm bells for me. The claim the story is from ABC. Turns out the story comes from the Azerbaijan Business Center (No, I’m not kidding)
| 952 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:45:58am |
re: #919 realwest
Uh, again with the one armed hug! Seriously though, have you had headaches like this before? If so, how frequently? Y’all ought to get on a neurologist’s waiting list over there in GB - might be able to help you when they see you in,oh, six months or so!
I surely do hope you feel really better really quickly.
Yep - I had them before, its to do with the weather.
Am not going to get another referral! I hate the whole lot of them! All they want to do is cut-cut-cut!
Oh, btw - that allergy specialist will kindly see me next Wednesday afternoon!
Thats ten weeks waiting time …
| 953 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:46:27am |
re: #540 iceweasel
Hey throbert!
I’m here, buzzsaw had to take off. Did you get to do that post you were thinking about?
Hey, Icy! I’m working on that post. After thinking about it, I decided that it would be better to present my arguments on my own blog and then link to it from an LGF Open Thread. But as a preview, here are a few selections from my posts responding to David Klinghoffer’s priceless essay blog.beliefnet.com...]>blog.beliefnet.com…]>How Women Will Be Hurt by Gay Marriage
| 954 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:46:40am |
I have a question about the census.
How longer after it’s completed/compiled will seats be realigned? I’m not sure of the time lag.
| 955 |
VegasRick Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:46:59am |
re: #950 iceweasel
And if unemployment keeps rising Obama will be bounced out in 2012, no matter what else happens.
Really? Can you say Immigration Reform and ACORN? I knew you could.
*Channeling Mister Rogers
| 956 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:47:31am |
re: #927 BlueCanuck
I hear a lot of whiskey and beer was involved.
/kidding…..
No kidding - nothing at all surprises me in regard to the Irish.
After all - we did have an encounter with some Leprechauns there …
| 958 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:47:54am |
re: #948 turn
Taking that literally is just stupid
Indeed, but many people, especially the scientifically illiterate, do just that.
(We forget that readers of LGF and other political/science blogs are likely more scientifically literate than the average person.)
| 959 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:48:13am |
re: #946 jorline
Bernanke warns that meddling with Fed’s monetary policy cause harm economy
| 960 |
subsailor68 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:48:28am |
Morning all! Wow! Charles is gonna wake up to an amazing article this morning!
Good ol’ Pat Buchanan is back at it! Did you know:
“Karl Marx loved Darwinism,” writes Windchy. “To him, survival of the fittest as the source of progress justified violence in bringing about social and political change, in other words, the revolution.”
Or:
Darwin suited Adolf Hitler’s purposes, too.
Charles Darwin also suited the purpose of the eugenicists and Herbert Spencer, who preached a survival-of-the-fittest social Darwinism to robber baron industrialists exploiting 19th-century immigrants.
Or:
Historian Jacques Barzun believes Darwinism brought on World War I
He also tosses in Piltdown Man and Nebraska Man, why giraffes’ necks aren’t part of evolution…..gee, there’s just so much!
My, that Chuck Darwin was a busy little bee wasn’t he!
Pat’s gone goofy…oh, wait, that’s not news.
| 961 |
Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:48:29am |
re: #958 iceweasel
(We forget that readers of LGF and other political/science blogs are likely more scientifically literate than the average person.)
Hey y’all! Watch this! :P
| 962 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:48:48am |
re: #945 Gang of One
IMHO, it did not give them the right as much as it recognized that they have the right and it was/is illegal to suppress it.
Subtle point but true, and again supports the negative rights concept that constitutional scholars talk about.
| 963 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:48:52am |
re: #951 Killgore Trout
It is interesting but they don’t provide a link the their source. That always raises alarm bells for me. The claim the story is from ABC. Turns out the story comes from the Azerbaijan Business Center (No, I’m not kidding)
The bank website says they got the story from La Stampa who got it from Italy intelligence:
La Stampa, citing Italian intelligence service, reports that Iranian large banks started active money transfer from the country.
| 964 |
opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:48:58am |
re: #934 Killgore Trout
Agreed. I’m not sure when that’s going to happen.
If they won’t lend it, give it back.
| 965 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:49:03am |
re: #890 yma o hyd
Well I’m sure glad you cleared that up for us!
| 966 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:49:16am |
| 967 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:49:45am |
re: #950 iceweasel
And if unemployment keeps rising Obama will be bounced out in 2012, no matter what else happens.
Unemployment could not possibly rise. Heck, I know of 30 people here in the Denver area who have been trained, using stimulus money, trained on how to put weather stripping on doors and windows. These 30 people will be working to winterize every home in the Denver Metro area.
With public works programs like this, it won’t be long until at least 123 of the 14.5 million out of work Americans will be back into the job market, applying productive skills to help green our economy.
//////////////
| 969 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:50:10am |
re: #939 wahabicorridor
She was sick again yesterday, but this was a mild bout. Just vomiting one time.
Test results should be in by Friday.
Poor girlie!
I’m keeping me fingers crossed for Friday - and Madame has kindly agreed to keep her paws crossed as well!
| 970 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:50:20am |
re: #938 NJDhockeyfan
This is interesting
Power and opposition in Iran start mass money export from country
I saw some “tweets” about this from “stopahmadi” a few days ago.
That particular “twitterer” has not seemed to me to have as accurate information as some of the others, because his information seems to be presented with his agenda very clearly indicated, whereas the others just present factual info. about incidents, etc.
It didn’t mean he’s wrong about this, just that I took those tweets with a small grain of salt.
| 971 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:50:22am |
re: #960 subsailor68
Heh. That’s almost guaranteed to be a thread. It has so many favorite LGF themes all wrapped into one.
| 972 |
albusteve Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:50:32am |
| 973 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:50:39am |
re: #953 Throbert McGee
here are a few selections from my posts responding to David Klinghoffer’s priceless essay How Women Will Be Hurt by Gay Marriage
For one thing: Gay marriage will only drive weddings to a whole new level of opulence.
/shamelessly stolen from The Onion
| 974 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:51:01am |
| 975 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:51:04am |
re: #920 jcm
The founders intended the Constitution to be a contract of negative liberties.
It’s designed by construct and intent to LIMIT GOVERNMENT.
And as Obama said in the interview, a brilliant document.
| 976 |
Gang of One Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:51:14am |
re: #968 buzzsawmonkey
Missing the reference, but I am sure it is droll.
Original Planet of the Apes
| 977 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:51:43am |
re: #972 albusteve
5%. It’s in the legislation.
| 978 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:51:55am |
re: #953 Throbert McGee
Hey, Icy! I’m working on that post. After thinking about it, I decided that it would be better to present my arguments on my own blog and then link to it from an LGF Open Thread. But as a preview, here are a few selections from my posts responding to David Klinghoffer’s priceless essay How Women Will Be Hurt by Gay Marriage
FANTASTIC!
(I won’t call you “Throbby” because that just feels, umm, awk-ward!)
Link only goes to Klingy. :(
| 979 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:52:36am |
re: #960 subsailor68
ha, I clicked that link and got a pop up add for Glen Beck!
| 981 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:53:10am |
re: #967 Walter L. Newton
Didn’t you hear? The Capon Trade Bill (hat tip: buzzsaw), formerly known as the Largest Tax Hike in History, has been rebranded by Obama as a jobs bill. See, by imposing a massive tax on virtually all productive activity, the government creates jobs!
Well… for accountants and lawyers, anyway.
| 982 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:53:15am |
| 984 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:53:42am |
| 985 |
subsailor68 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:53:49am |
re: #979 turn
ha, I clicked that link and got a pop up add for Glen Beck!
LOL! Now that’s what we down here in Texas call ‘irony’.
;-)
| 986 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:54:18am |
| 987 |
Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:54:50am |
| 988 |
Gang of One Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:54:55am |
| 990 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:55:45am |
| 991 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:56:02am |
re: #951 Killgore Trout
The claim the story is from ABC. Turns out the story comes from the Azerbaijan Business Center (No, I’m not kidding)
That’s actually pretty damn funny.
“My source for this info on Iran is at the highest levels of the CIA! The Culinary Institute of America!”
| 992 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:56:11am |
re: #981 Occasional Reader
Didn’t you hear? The Capon Trade Bill (hat tip: buzzsaw), formerly known as the Largest Tax Hike in History, has been rebranded by Obama as a jobs bill. See, by imposing a massive tax on virtually all productive activity, the government creates jobs!
Well… for accountants and lawyers, anyway.
Capon Trade Bill? Hell, it will never work, Obama is a chicken and that bill has no balls.
| 993 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:56:19am |
| 994 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:56:31am |
| 995 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:56:54am |
| 996 |
Gang of One Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:56:58am |
re: #990 redstateredneck
Wouldn’t have been near as fierce with Roddy.
Not even a malenky bit, O, my brother — Malcolm would have been horrorshow.
| 997 |
Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:57:24am |
For a mellow techno midday groove:
Apoptygma Berzerk - Kathy’s Song (VNV Nation Remix)
| 998 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:57:36am |
| 999 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:57:53am |
re: #989 taxfreekiller
So far, Obama has made one contribution to the economy, his new improved less filling Kool Aid.
TFK… do you support this bill?
A slew of top Republicans are backing the bill, as are many Democrats.
Paul, as of Tuesday, has won 245 co-sponsors to a bill that would require a full-fledged audit of the Federal Reserve by the end of 2010.
Unfortunately for Paul, the bill appears to be idling in the House Financial Services Committee, which is chaired by Barney Frank, D-Mass. The bill has been sitting there, gathering co-sponsors, since Paul introduced it in late February.
| 1001 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:58:01am |
Speaking of A Clockwork Orange, I just re-read it. Years ago when I read it, it was the American version. The one I re-read had the last chapter that had been left out of that one. Much better ending.re: #994 Occasional Reader
Oh, those people all look alike to me.
/
Ha ha. I got you. Makes my day!
:D
| 1002 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:58:38am |
Some of you might be interested in this interesting analysis by amir taheri in today’s TIMES/London:
The fight for Iran’s future is far from over
I found this snippet of information very interesting:
‘The government-controlled media have highlighted the change in the nature of the regime. They now refer to Ayatollah Khamenei’s speech endorsing Mr Ahmadinejad’s re-election as “Fasl el-Khitab”, a theological term that means “end of the discussion”. Propaganda now refers to the ayatollah as “Emir al-Momeneen” (Commander of the Faithful), a title initially used for Ali ibn Abi-Talib, the Prophet’s cousin and son-in-law and the first imam of Shiaism.
An editorial last week in Kayhan, whose editor is appointed by the Ayatollah, put the new situation in graphic terms: “Imam Ali is back, the Commander of the Faithful. But this time he is not alone!” The editorial said that Iran was now ruled by “the Vicar of Allah” in a “pure Muhammadan system”.’
Iran, if Khamenei has his way, will be no longer a ‘republic’ - it will be a de-facto Islamic Theocracy.
Scary.
| 1003 |
justabill Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:59:32am |
The Rights outlined by the US Constitution do not confer an obligation on anyone else, other than not interfering with said Right. You may have a Right to free speech, but I don’t have to buy you a bull horn.
Most of the other “rights” many would like to have, like health care, housing, et al incur an obligation on someone else to provide them. (doctors, home builders) and obligates the taxpayer to pay for these “rights”…
| 1004 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:59:39am |
re: #996 Gang of One
Not even a malenky bit, O, my brother — Malcolm would have been horrorshow.
It was gorgeousness and gorgoeousity, O my brothers….until that devencka wouldn’t stop smecking and gavreeting with some malchicks.
| 1005 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:59:42am |
re: #996 Gang of One
Not even a malenky bit, O, my brother — Malcolm would have been horrorshow.
Get your filthy paws off of me, you grahzny bratchny ape!
| 1006 |
Gang of One Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:59:57am |
re: #1001 redstateredneck
Speaking of A Clockwork Orange, I just re-read it. Years ago when I read it, it was the American version. The one I re-read had the last chapter that had been left out of that one. Much better ending.
Ha ha. I got you. Makes my day!
:D
Is this the version where [in the last chapter] Alex is older, and somewhat remorseful about his past, er, indiscretions?
| 1008 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:59:59am |
re: #991 Occasional Reader
Confirmed by PBS
/Paulian Bullshit Syndicate.
| 1009 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:00:20am |
re: #993 Mad Al-Jaffee
Not to be confused with Rowdy Roddy Piper.
“I am here to chew bubble gum and kick ass.” short pause “And I am all out of bubble gum.”
| 1010 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:00:22am |
| 1011 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:00:32am |
re: #1000 buzzsawmonkey
Was “Roddy McDowell” his real name? Would his parents really name him after a piece of wood available at the hardware store?
Imagine how his sister Touby Fore feels.
| 1012 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:00:36am |
re: #985 subsailor68
LOL! Now that’s what we down here in Texas call ‘irony’.
;-)
This guy Buchanan is nuts. How the hell can he try and convolute the theory of evolution with a whacked out story about Karl Marx and Hitler for crying out loud? That article made like zero sense to turn.
| 1013 |
jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:00:49am |
re: #975 avanti
And as Obama said in the interview, a brilliant document.
He also said the Warren court did not break free of the constraints….
That’s the entire purpose of the Constitution.
TO CONSTRAIN GOVERNMENT.
| 1014 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:01:05am |
re: #1003 justabill
Ah, NO - not with regards to healthcare which is something every taxpayer or wage earner PAYS INTO by paying the Social Security “tax”.
| 1015 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:02:34am |
re: #1013 jcm
He also said the Warren court did not break free of the constraints….
That’s the entire purpose of the Constitution.
TO CONSTRAIN GOVERNMENT.
Heh.
game/set/match
| 1016 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:02:45am |
re: #1001 redstateredneck
Speaking of A Clockwork Orange, I just re-read it. Years ago when I read it, it was the American version. The one I re-read had the last chapter that had been left out of that one. Much better ending.
Ha ha. I got you. Makes my day!
:D
So interesting— when it was published in the US, it left out the last chapter. The movie ends where the (old) US version of it ends— Alex saying “I was cured, all right”— when he manifestly isn’t.
I can’t say for sure what I think. The restoration of the missing chapter in the US, while it accords with the authors intentions, just doesn’t work for me in quite the same way.
| 1017 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:02:48am |
re: #1006 Gang of One
Is this the version where [in the last chapter] Alex is older, and somewhat remorseful about his past, er, indiscretions?
Yep. He changes.
| 1018 |
opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:02:52am |
re: #955 VegasRick
Really? Can you say Immigration Reform and ACORN? I knew you could.
*Channeling Mister Rogers
Correct, if illegals get fast tracked to citizenship in time for 2012, Obama is a lock.
| 1019 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:03:01am |
re: #1013 jcm
He also said the Warren court did not break free of the constraints….
That’s the entire purpose of the Constitution.
TO CONSTRAIN GOVERNMENT.
Yep. Gee, I wonder how a “Constitutional Scholar” like Obama missed that? (I put Constitutional Scholar into quotation marks cause he’s never published any serious analysis of the Constitution.).
| 1020 |
Gang of One Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:03:03am |
re: #1004 iceweasel
It was gorgeousness and gorgoeousity, O my brothers….until that devencka wouldn’t stop smecking and gavreeting with some malchicks.
And the weepy young devotchka, boo-hoo-hooing at the prospect of the ultra-violent at the hands of fat Billy-goat and his droogs.
Great big, bolshi yarblokos to thee and thine, Billy-goat …!
| 1021 |
Irish Rose Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:03:28am |
re: #956 yma o hyd
No kidding - nothing at all surprises me in regard to the Irish.
After all - we did have an encounter with some Leprechauns there …
Hey!
| 1022 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:03:31am |
| 1023 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:03:42am |
Fuck, the hamsters eated half my post!
Good thing I copied it to the clipboard before hitting the button. Here’s the rest (again, reposted from my comments on Klinghoffer’s beliefnet thread):
“At the risk of getting too explicit, I leave it the reader’s basic grasp of anatomy to figure out why in ancient Rome a man who found pleasure in a woman, could also find pleasure in a man, while the record shows that a heterosexual woman rarely found sexual satisfaction in the company of another woman.”
Sheesh. Mr. Klinghoffer badly needs to acquaint himself with the terms “frot” and “scissoring” — both slang for NON-PENETRATIVE homosexual genital-to-genital rubbing, with frot being male/male and scissoring being female/female.
(There’s oral-genital sex, too, of course, but my point is that sexual satisfaction doesn’t have to involve “insert Tab A into Slot B” — going Tab-to-Tab or Slot-to-Slot work splendidly, because pleasure is ultimately generated by FRICTION, and not by penetration.)
I point this one out, iceweasel, just to give you a little more background about me — promoting “frot” as a much healthier form of male/male sex than buttfucking has been a personal crusade of mine for several years now. But that’s incidental to the question of same-sex marriage and male bisexuality that I was talking about with buzzsaw yesterday.
More germane to that is this other response I made on Klinghoffer’s blog:
I think Klinghoffer’s essentially saying that homosexual coupling, whether man/man or woman/woman, shouldn’t be encouraged by society because bisexual men would walk away in droves from heterosexual marriage, and instead choose to marry other guys.Thus, his claim is not that women are “lousy lovers,” but just that men who are able to be aroused by either men or women (i.e., bi dudes), if they had to pick just one partner to settle down with, would overwhelmingly tend to pick another man.
I’m not sure he’s right about that; my suspicion is that the urge to produce heirs is strong enough that most bi guys, if given their druthers, would prefer to marry a woman but have her permission to play around a little bit with other guys once in a while. (“Honey, since you’re PMSing and not in the mood for sex, I’m gonna go over to Steve’s house so he and I can give each other handjobs while we watch some bukkake videos, okay?”)
And I’m not just indulging in armchair speculation, here; I’m speaking as a homosexual dude who’s had several long-term “just j/o buddies” arrangements with bisexual married guys who were looking for low-risk M2M contact.
I know that last paragraph will sound like TMI² for a lot of lizards, but I just want to clearly establish my credentials, as it were — I’ve done plenty of empirical fieldwork with the “bi and/or str8-curious” subspecies of the human adult male.
| 1025 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:05:24am |
re: #1013 jcm
He also said the Warren court did not break free of the constraints….
That’s the entire purpose of the Constitution.
TO CONSTRAIN GOVERNMENT.
He was commenting on how even the very liberal Warren court did not break free of those retrains, never hinted that the restrains were wrong. That’s the beauty of the constitution, neither the far right or left can break those constraints.
| 1026 |
subsailor68 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:06:15am |
re: #1012 turn
This guy Buchanan is nuts. How the hell can he try and convolute the theory of evolution with a whacked out story about Karl Marx and Hitler for crying out loud? That article made like zero sense to turn.
Hi turn! Yeah, isn’t it amazing? It’s like Pat just decided to throw everything against the wall and see what stuck. Unfortunately, he even threw in the stuff that didn’t. Zero sense indeed!
| 1028 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:06:39am |
re: #1019 realwest
(I put Constitutional Scholar into quotation marks cause he’s never published any serious analysis of the Constitution.).
What about striking a thoughtful pose, and furrowing his brow? Doesn’t that count?
| 1029 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:06:59am |
re: #1023 Throbert McGee
Fuck, the hamsters eated half my post!
Good thing I copied it to the clipboard before hitting the button. Here’s the rest (again, reposted from my comments on Klinghoffer’s beliefnet thread):
I know that last paragraph will sound like TMI² for a lot of lizards, but I just want to clearly establish my credentials, as it were — I’ve done plenty of empirical fieldwork with the “bi and/or str8-curious” subspecies of the human adult male.
Throbert, fantastic post!
I will be responding in a bit with more detail—
| 1030 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:07:03am |
re: #1016 iceweasel
So interesting— when it was published in the US, it left out the last chapter. The movie ends where the (old) US version of it ends— Alex saying “I was cured, all right”— when he manifestly isn’t.
I can’t say for sure what I think. The restoration of the missing chapter in the US, while it accords with the authors intentions, just doesn’t work for me in quite the same way.
I found it made the whole story better. He’s “cured” and then “restored” back to his horrorshow ways, but then has a genuine change and a repentance of sorts.
| 1031 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:07:12am |
re: #1021 Irish Rose
Hey!
Is true!
Is not a denigration of things Irish - it really happened!
They veiled a part of the country we wanted to see, they hid it from our eyes.
It was really odd - and it was them leprechauns.
No other explanation was possible.
| 1032 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:07:17am |
re: #1024 buzzsawmonkey
And, of course, reassure us that you are not merely talking a lot of Tommy-frot.
I am not brave enough, this close to lunch time, to attempt a pun involving “frottage cheese”.
| 1033 |
Kragar Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:07:26am |
re: #1016 iceweasel
So interesting— when it was published in the US, it left out the last chapter. The movie ends where the (old) US version of it ends— Alex saying “I was cured, all right”— when he manifestly isn’t.
But he was cured, as far as he was concerned. No more nasty Ludoviko treatment restraining him.
I still remember the first time I saw the movie. Gamer convention. We watched Rocky Horror Picture Show, Clockwork Orange, Akira and Monty Python’s Life of Brian back to back while drunk and other substances were present.
| 1035 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:08:32am |
re: #1022 wahabicorridor
Ok, then.
Civil War it is.
Once they got themselves proper leadership, and proper organisation - I’m afraid so.
| 1036 |
wahabicorridor Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:08:37am |
Ok, lizards, gotta go. Have a good one, everybody!
| 1040 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:10:15am |
re: #1028 Occasional Reader
What about striking a thoughtful pose, and furrowing his brow? Doesn’t that count?
| 1041 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:10:20am |
re: #1028 Occasional Reader
What about striking a thoughtful pose, and furrowing his brow? Doesn’t that count?
Only minimally. I strike that pose whenever I don’t understand something.
Oh, wait……………..!
| 1043 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:11:53am |
IceDub- would you care to join me in a chat? We could finally exchange emails, if you’re available.
| 1044 |
Mithrax Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:11:55am |
Cracked Magazine’s 6 New Personality Disorders caused by the internet
here
Langauge in the article is NSFW.
| 1045 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:13:47am |
“The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 31% of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-three percent (33%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -2. That matches the lowest level yet recorded (see trends).
Over the past two weeks, the Presidential Approval Index has stayed in a narrow range between +2 and -2. Fifty-seven percent (57%) of Democrats Strongly Approve while 60% of Republicans Strongly Disapprove.
Fifty percent (50%) favor passage of the health care reform proposal being crafted by Obama and Congressional Democrats. Forty-five percent (45%) are opposed. ”
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]
| 1046 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:14:28am |
| 1047 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:14:38am |
re: #1009 BlueCanuck
“I am here to chew bubble gum and kick ass.” short pause “And I am all out of bubble gum.”
PUT ON THE GLASSES!
| 1048 |
realwest Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:15:16am |
Well y’all it’s been real. I gotta go now, hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!
| 1049 |
subsailor68 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:15:27am |
Just an observation that kind of ties my Darwin post at 960 with the discussions we’ve had on the self-centered nature and “I deserve it” attitude of many young people.
I’ve been driving around our town recently, and I’ve noticed a growing tendency of drivers to make a turn right in front of me, expecting me to slam on my brakes or take whatever other action needed to avoid t-boning ‘em. It used to be a rare thing, but more and more regular as time goes on.
Why does it tie those two things together? Well, first, the “I’ll do what I want to do, and screw you” attitude must come from the entitlement b.s. they’re being taught in school.
Second, in almost every case, my car is bigger, which means they’re prime candidates for the Darwin award.
(Rant off.)
| 1050 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:15:41am |
re: #1045 realwest
I don’t think people like his handling on Iran. Just a guess as to a possible contributing factor to those numbers.
| 1051 |
turn Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:15:47am |
re: #1048 realwest
Well y’all it’s been real. I gotta go now, hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!
later real, I better go get something done too. BBL.
| 1052 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:17:12am |
re: #1049 subsailor68
That happens to me all the time.
| 1053 |
poteen Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:17:59am |
| 1054 |
jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:18:19am |
re: #1025 avanti
He was commenting on how even the very liberal Warren court did not break free of those retrains, never hinted that the restrains were wrong. That’s the beauty of the constitution, neither the far right or left can break those constraints.
Obama is Alinsky trained — economic justice.
Obama has said “spread the wealth.”
How else could you interpret the statements about the Warren court?
| 1055 |
SixDegrees Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:18:29am |
re: #960 subsailor68
Morning all! Wow! Charles is gonna wake up to an amazing article this morning!
Good ol’ Pat Buchanan is back at it! Did you know:
“Karl Marx loved Darwinism,” writes Windchy. “To him, survival of the fittest as the source of progress justified violence in bringing about social and political change, in other words, the revolution.”
Or:
Darwin suited Adolf Hitler’s purposes, too.
Charles Darwin also suited the purpose of the eugenicists and Herbert Spencer, who preached a survival-of-the-fittest social Darwinism to robber baron industrialists exploiting 19th-century immigrants.
Or:
Historian Jacques Barzun believes Darwinism brought on World War I
He also tosses in Piltdown Man and Nebraska Man, why giraffes’ necks aren’t part of evolution…..gee, there’s just so much!
My, that Chuck Darwin was a busy little bee wasn’t he!
Pat’s gone goofy…oh, wait, that’s not news.
I’ll see his Marxism and raise him Manifest Destiny.
| 1056 |
opnion Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:19:33am |
re: #1019 realwest
Yep. Gee, I wonder how a “Constitutional Scholar” like Obama missed that? (I put Constitutional Scholar into quotation marks cause he’s never published any serious analysis of the Constitution.).
Yeah, but his Law Review articles were great! Oh wait, there weren’t any.
| 1057 |
legalpad Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:19:50am |
re: #1049 subsailor68
expecting me to slam on my brakes
I look them right in the eyes, or the side of the head and don’t. They slam on theirs. (Usually they are looking.) It’s funny when they get mad because they couldn’t traffic-bully me.
| 1058 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:19:55am |
re: #932 Killgore Trout
Instapundit is quite open and honest about the Paulian agenda of the Tea Parties…..
June 30, 2009
FoxNews had a report on that as well:
Mr. Sunshine? Ron Paul Wins Support to Audit Fed Reserve
I need to ask: Why is auditing the Fed a bad idea?
| 1059 |
subsailor68 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:20:05am |
re: #1055 SixDegrees
I’ll see his Marxism and raise him Manifest Destiny.
Hi Six! Oooh, I love it! A brand new game we can play.
Shit Pat Buchanan Blames on Darwin.
And you’ve set the bar!
;-)
| 1060 |
Jack Burton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:22:25am |
re: #1058 Dark_Falcon
FoxNews had a report on that as well:
Mr. Sunshine? Ron Paul Wins Support to Audit Fed Reserve
I need to ask: Why is auditing the Fed a bad idea?
For the reason I said yesterday. Luap Nor isn’t doing this for the reasons claimed. He just wants to pull the curtain on the Elders of Zion Wizard who runs the world via the Fed. Don’t feed the conspiracy trolls.
| 1061 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:23:05am |
re: #1057 legalpad
I look them right in the eyes, or the side of the head and don’t. They slam on theirs. (Usually they are looking.) It’s funny when they get mad because they couldn’t traffic-bully me.
That wouldn’t work here. There’d be a collision and they wouldn’t have insurance.
| 1062 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:23:41am |
Again, I think this is such an excellent post; I’ll pop over to Klinghoffer and to your own blog to comment and back you up. This is just great, and so illuminating! (BTW, am emailing to various people too). I’m quoting only various bits below:
re: #1023 Throbert McGee
I point this one out, iceweasel, just to give you a little more background about me — promoting “frot” as a much healthier form of male/male sex than buttfucking has been a personal crusade of mine for several years now. But that’s incidental to the question of same-sex marriage and male bisexuality that I was talking about with buzzsaw yesterday.
That’s terrific though— I’ve got a couple of male friends who have also been promoting frot for a while but they’re not activists. I think it’s VERY important! and who is promoting this publicly? I think Dan Savage has (sort of) endorsed this, but not promoted it.
More germane to that is this other response I made on Klinghoffer’s blog:
I think Klinghoffer’s essentially saying that homosexual coupling, whether man/man or woman/woman, shouldn’t be encouraged by society because bisexual men would walk away in droves from heterosexual marriage, and instead choose to marry other guys.Thus, his claim is not that women are “lousy lovers,” but just that men who are able to be aroused by either men or women (i.e., bi dudes), if they had to pick just one partner to settle down with, would overwhelmingly tend to pick another man.
I’m not sure he’s right about that; my suspicion is that the urge to produce heirs is strong enough that most bi guys, if given their druthers, would prefer to marry a woman but have her permission to play around a little bit with other guys once in a while. (“Honey, since you’re PMSing and not in the mood for sex, I’m gonna go over to Steve’s house so he and I can give each other handjobs while we watch some bukkake videos, okay?”)
And I’m not just indulging in armchair speculation, here; I’m speaking as a homosexual dude who’s had several long-term “just j/o buddies” arrangements with bisexual married guys who were looking for low-risk M2M contact.
I know that last paragraph will sound like TMI² for a lot of lizards, but I just want to clearly establish my credentials, as it were — I’ve done plenty of empirical fieldwork with the “bi and/or str8-curious” subspecies of the human adult male.
I’m going to augment your observations about Klinghoffer and bisexuality, because all the observations being made are about *male* bisexuality, not female. (it follows much the same pattern, but it is a little different)
But I have to say that once again I think you’re TOTALLY right, and as for your last paragraph— we can talk more on your blog or a latenight thread, but I will support your empirical fieldwork, and supply some of my own supporting it involving the female version of “bi” or “curious”.
(It’s a wholly different situation for women though, because a certain amount of same sex exploration is tolerated or even encouraged if it’s women— within the hetero world)
| 1063 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:24:18am |
re: #1047 Throbert McGee
One of my favorite sci-fi/conspiracy movies evar.
| 1064 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:25:07am |
re: #1059 subsailor68
Hi Six! Oooh, I love it! A brand new game we can play.
Shit Pat Buchanan Blames on Darwin.
And you’ve set the bar!
;-)
Just wait, someone maybe along to move goal posts. :D
| 1066 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:25:38am |
re: #1043 Sharmuta
IceDub- would you care to join me in a chat? We could finally exchange emails, if you’re available.
hey! I’d love to— only just saw this. I’ll be back in like ten minutes.
| 1068 |
3 wood Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:25:47am |
The market is down about 1.40% at the moment.
Nice going so far with the stimulus package.
| 1069 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:26:29am |
re: #1049 subsailor68
And then there are the bicyclists who seem to want to play chicken with my SUV. Real Darwin candidates.
| 1071 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:26:40am |
| 1072 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:28:06am |
re: #1001 redstateredneck
Speaking of A Clockwork Orange, I just re-read it. Years ago when I read it, it was the American version. The one I re-read had the last chapter that had been left out of that one. Much better ending.
Ha ha. I got you. Makes my day!
:D
I had heard about that by reading an interview with Burgess in Playboy, of all places. (I didn’t JUST look at the pictures)
Took years for the book to be reprinted with the last chapter, but I found it maybe 8 years ago.
| 1074 |
yma o hyd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:29:50am |
CARTOON - illustrating to perfection why I have to go now …!
BBIAB!
| 1075 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:29:51am |
re: #1060 ArchangelMichael
For the reason I said yesterday. Luap Nor isn’t doing this for the reasons claimed. He just wants to pull the curtain on the
Elders of ZionWizard who runs the world via the Fed. Don’t feed the conspiracy trolls.
Understood. I tend not to feed the trolls at this time of day, since once they take the bait I wouldn’t have time to properly grill them. ;)
| 1076 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:29:57am |
re: #1071 Dark_Falcon
Disorder number 6 describes Rhodan to a tee.
There were a lot of former posters in that article.
| 1077 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:30:11am |
Poll…
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
…giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -2. That matches the lowest level yet recorded.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]
Let’s not assume that this means anything. And Nate Silver probably knows better.
/
| 1078 |
subsailor68 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:30:15am |
Guys, I never really knew how the Dow was comprised, who makes the choices, and what it really means. This article seemed pretty interesting to me, and thought I’d share it with ya:
| 1079 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:32:11am |
| 1081 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:33:41am |
Sheesh . . bad month for Airbus passengers.
| 1082 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:36:01am |
| 1083 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:36:12am |
re: #1072 Kosh’s Shadow
I had heard about that by reading an interview with Burgess in Playboy, of all places. (I didn’t JUST look at the pictures)
Took years for the book to be reprinted with the last chapter, but I found it maybe 8 years ago.
I had no idea until I picked up a copy that my daughter had and it had a forward that Burgess had written that told about the missing chapter. Really interesting. Guess they thought the American audience wouldn’t want the hope that the last chapter offered.
| 1084 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:36:45am |
re: #1083 redstateredneck
I had no idea until I picked up a copy that my daughter had and it had a forward that Burgess had written that told about the missing chapter. Really interesting. Guess they thought the American audience wouldn’t want the hope that the last chapter offered.
It’s not progressive to have a happy ending. Or a plot. Or a hero …
| 1085 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:36:53am |
re: #1078 subsailor68
Guys, I never really knew how the Dow was comprised, who makes the choices, and what it really means. This article seemed pretty interesting to me, and thought I’d share it with ya:
- and why it is a very poor way to measure the stock market.
| 1086 |
jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:37:11am |
re: #1081 Creeping Eruption
Sheesh . . bad month for Airbus passengers.
Airbus has trouble keeping them in the air.
Boeing can’t get into the air.
| 1087 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:37:51am |
re: #1031 yma o hyd
In my hometown there was a restaurant/bar called the Irish Pizza Pub. It had some of the bizarre decor you could imagine - very green, with cartoonish paintings all over the place. And they had leprechauns there. Two “little people” (a father and son) would dress us as leprechauns and make balloon animals for children.
I never realized how bizarre that place was until I was an adult.
| 1088 |
sngnsgt Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:38:12am |
re: #1077 Walter L. Newton
I like the way that poll is trending. I still give O a 0.
| 1089 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:39:44am |
re: #1084 OldLineTexan
It’s not progressive to have a happy ending. Or a plot. Or a hero …
Which, BTW, is kind of how I feel about President Obama.
| 1090 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:39:49am |
re: #1081 Creeping Eruption
Sheesh . . bad month for Airbus passengers.
They appear to have crashed one mile short of the runway. Wonder if the computer system overrode the pilots and flew the plane into the ocean?
| 1091 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:41:51am |
Qaeda warns France of revenge for burka stance
“We call upon all Muslims to confront this hostility with greater hostility, and to counter France’s efforts to divide male and female believers from their faith with a greater effort … (by) adherence to the teachings of their Islamic sharia.”
[Link: www.breitbart.com…]
Car-b-cues in 5,4,3,2…
| 1092 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:42:52am |
re: #1091 Walter L. Newton
Qaeda warns France of revenge for burka stance
“We call upon all Muslims to confront this hostility with greater hostility, and to counter France’s efforts to divide male and female believers from their faith with a greater effort … (by) adherence to the teachings of their Islamic sharia.”
[Link: www.breitbart.com…]
Car-b-cues in 5,4,3,2…
Maybe it will keep the mosquitoes down. Citroenella.
/
| 1093 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:43:52am |
re: #1034 buzzsawmonkey
No, he was expressing regret that the Warren Court did not go far enough (in his view)—i.e., that the Court did not invent a number of “positive rights” which are nowhere in the Constitution, but which Obama clearly intends to jam into it.
That’s how some on the right read it, and there a 100’s web sites so saying from the right, but I don’t read it that way at all.
| 1094 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:44:22am |
re: #1090 Son of the Black Dog
They appear to have crashed one mile short of the runway. Wonder if the computer system overrode the pilots and flew the plane into the ocean?
Just glad I do not have any plans to fly anywhere anytime soon.
| 1095 |
jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:44:32am |
re: #1090 Son of the Black Dog
They appear to have crashed one mile short of the runway. Wonder if the computer system overrode the pilots and flew the plane into the ocean?
FDR will have all the control inputs and flight parameters.
A mile short is weird… any weather in the area?
| 1097 |
Creeping Eruption Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:44:51am |
re: #1095 jcm
FDR will have all the control inputs and flight parameters.
A mile short is weird… any weather in the area?
wind they say
| 1098 |
jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:45:50am |
re: #1093 avanti
That’s how some on the right read it, and there a 100’s web sites so saying from the right, but I don’t read it that way at all.
Obama wants to spread the wealth…
He was griping about the Warren court not spreading the wealth….
That
Simple
| 1099 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:45:52am |
re: #1091 Walter L. Newton
Qaeda warns France of revenge for burka stance
“We call upon all Muslims to confront this hostility with greater hostility, and to counter France’s efforts to divide male and female believers from their faith with a greater effort … (by) adherence to the teachings of their Islamic sharia.”
[Link: www.breitbart.com…]
Car-b-cues in 5,4,3,2…
Sarkozy should have two answers to that:
1. Give Bin Laden & Co the finger, verbally of course. Mock the terrorists and their evil threats and defective culture. Hold them up as the fools they are.
2. Get your riot police ready and send them in at the first sign of a riot. Put any riots down hard and fast, that’s the best way to prevent them.
| 1101 |
jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:46:43am |
re: #1097 Creeping Eruption
wind they say
T-storm and micro burst can do that, that L-1011 at Dallas a few years back.
| 1102 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:46:49am |
re: #1093 avanti
That’s how some on the right read it, and there a 100’s web sites so saying from the right, but I don’t read it that way at all.
Then what do you think he meant, avanti?
| 1104 |
iceweasel Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:48:37am |
re: #1070 Sharmuta
Sharm— I’ve been trying. Something weird is up. It’s asking for a password. (it’s probably me)
| 1105 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:49:21am |
re: #1045 realwest
“The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 31% of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-three percent (33%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -2. That matches the lowest level yet recorded (see trends).
Over the past two weeks, the Presidential Approval Index has stayed in a narrow range between +2 and -2. Fifty-seven percent (57%) of Democrats Strongly Approve while 60% of Republicans Strongly Disapprove.
Fifty percent (50%) favor passage of the health care reform proposal being crafted by Obama and Congressional Democrats. Forty-five percent (45%) are opposed. ”
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]
Rasmussen is the only poll that uses the strongly approve question and many ignore the positive general approval number in the poll which still shows he’s in good shape so far. Even Gallup shows a drop in and out of the high 50’s to low 60’s. You’ll need to get him in the 40’s and have a decent GOP choice to have a shot.
| 1106 |
johnnyreb Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:51:06am |
re: #1093 avanti
That’s how some on the right read it, and there a 100’s web sites so saying from the right, but I don’t read it that way at all.
That is exactly what he thinks. Someone here had links to the NPR interview he did some time ago. He expressed exactly the same things in it. He is 100% for legislating from the bench.
| 1107 |
Sharmuta Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:51:51am |
re: #1104 iceweasel
You need to register. It only takes a few minutes with parachat.
| 1108 |
SixDegrees Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:52:05am |
re: #1096 buzzsawmonkey
You are, quite simply, wrong.
Actually, I have to side with Avanti on this one. The quote cited above is simply a statement of fact; I don’t see anything in it that advocates one position or another, or derides the status quo. It simply lays out the Constitution’s preferences and the Court’s role and actions. Obama simply enumerates the constraints, and doesn’t take a position on them.
Unless something was left out. Where, exactly, does he advocate for rewriting the Constitution?
| 1110 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:52:36am |
re: #1054 jcm
Obama is Alinsky trained — economic justice.
Obama has said “spread the wealth.”
How else could you interpret the statements about the Warren court?
Again, the spread the wealth comment was about returning to the progressive tax rate of the Clinton years, and below the Reagan years. Spreading the wealth around has been a feature of the progressive tax for decades.
| 1111 |
redstateredneck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:52:53am |
| 1112 |
LGoPs Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:53:21am |
re: #1093 avanti
That’s how some on the right read it, and there a 100’s web sites so saying from the right, but I don’t read it that way at all.
Clearly you’re much smarter and more nuanced than us rubes here who make the classic mistake of listening to what Obama actually says.
/
| 1113 |
aggieann Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:53:38am |
re: #1032 Occasional Reader
I am not brave enough, this close to lunch time, to attempt a pun involving “frottage cheese”.
Or “hot to frot.”
| 1114 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:53:43am |
re: #1068 3 wood
The market is down about 1.40% at the moment.
Nice going so far with the stimulus package.
It was up 100 points yesterday, why no comment then ?
| 1116 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:54:27am |
re: #1105 avanti
Rasmussen is the only poll that uses the strongly approve question and many ignore the positive general approval number in the poll which still shows he’s in good shape so far. Even Gallup shows a drop in and out of the high 50’s to low 60’s. You’ll need to get him in the 40’s and have a decent GOP choice to have a shot.
Notice, there is nothing in the article (or in realwest’s comment) that make a case that the GOP has or doesn’t have a shot at anything.
Avanti, you extrapolate your own thoughts on to another comment, which is dishonest.
Realwest’s (and myselft above) were only pointing out the poll, not making any case for or against a GOP advance.
| 1117 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:55:10am |
12:43 PM ET — Beating up motorcycles. More video emerges of the brave government security officials who roam around attacking inanimate objects:
| 1119 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:55:49am |
re: #1044 Mithrax
Cracked Magazine’s 6 New Personality Disorders caused by the internet
hereLanguage in the article is NSFW.
A billion updings for pointing that out, and Hosanna, Hey-zanna, zanna-zanna HO to the Cracked.com author, who is my new Messiah, at least for this afternoon. Money quote:
Asperger’s Syndrome.
This rarely diagnosed but often claimed disorder is a mild form of Autism that comes with what seems to be a biological inability to show empathy for other human beings, as well as (and maybe stemming from) an inability to recognize nonverbal cues. They continually do weird, upsetting things because they don’t know it’s upsetting you. That part of their brain is broken.
People cringe when they hear this term because they know that a large number of the teenagers claiming Asperger’s are, in fact, merely dicks.
A couple years ago, my ex boyfriend (we were together from summer 1993 till, um, circa 2000) revealed to me that he had been diagnosed with “mild Asperger’s Syndrome,” and sent me a book entitled Loving Mr. Spock — his way of saying that the years of “I’m just kidding, honey” put-downs that he bestowed on me to weren’t his fault, because he had a condition. Suffice to say that I don’t really believe that my ex’s problem was that he had a mild form of the mild form of autism; he was just a fucking asshole and put up with it because I was too afraid of being alone and too stubbornly upbeat to admit that he was really hurting my feelings.
| 1121 |
SixDegrees Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:56:38am |
re: #1115 taxfreekiller
not a rewrite
a global constitution subject to review by others
I don’t see that he advocates for that, either, although it would amount to the same thing.
| 1123 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:57:28am |
re: #1077 Walter L. Newton
Poll…
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
…giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -2. That matches the lowest level yet recorded.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]
Let’s not assume that this means anything. And Nate Silver probably knows better.
/
Like I said, Nate thinks it should go lower based on history. Maybe the low 50’s by years end if he keeps pushing new legislation that at best, makes the voters nervous. Better to do nothing if you don’t want to offend anyone.
| 1125 |
SixDegrees Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:58:50am |
re: #1122 buzzsawmonkey
If you read the transcript of Obama’s remarks—or, better yet, listen to him in the interview (both of these things were posted by Mandy upthread, I think somewhere in the 500s)—it is quite clear that Obama believes that the Constitution should have what he calls “positive rights.”
I read the quote cited upthread. Is there more to it? Where, exactly, does he advocate for changing the status quo? All I’m seeing is a statement of how things are, not any call for change.
| 1127 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:59:56am |
re: #1123 avanti
Like I said, Nate thinks it should go lower based on history. Maybe the low 50’s by years end if he keeps pushing new legislation that at best, makes the voters nervous. Better to do nothing if you don’t want to offend anyone.
… because sometimes people are offended because someone like Obama actually does something wrong and offensive.
| 1128 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:00:37am |
re: #1106 johnnyreb
That is exactly what he thinks. Someone here had links to the NPR interview he did some time ago. He expressed exactly the same things in it. He is 100% for legislating from the bench.
Sorry, I can’t speak for what’s in his head any more than I can yours. So far, he’s stood up to the courts about terrorist pictures and interrogations and supported many Bush policies. I can tell you, the far left is disappointed.
| 1129 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:01:16am |
re: #1128 avanti
Sorry, I can’t speak for what’s in his head any more than I can yours. So far, he’s stood up to the courts about terrorist pictures and interrogations and supported many Bush policies. I can tell you, the far left is disappointed.
I feel sorry for you :)
| 1130 |
bush's babe Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:01:27am |
I don’t think my “Green” Co-Works like me not cheering for “Smart” cars.
| 1131 |
subsailor68 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:02:07am |
I guess I need to remember that polls are simply snapshots in time. Some are as objective as possible, others are weighted to elicit desired responses. None mean much over time.
Gosh, Governor Sanford was doing pretty well, but it only took a few days of auditioning for the Argentine version of The Sound of Music for him to nose dive like a German Stuka on a bombing run.
| 1132 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:02:55am |
| 1133 |
ErnieG Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:03:00am |
re: #1101 jcm
T-storm and micro burst can do that, that L-1011 at Dallas a few years back.
DFW is really sensitive about that these days. I was on a flight due to land there last week, and they had us circling miles away for half an hour before we could land. The airport was shut down for nearly an hour, and many flights were delayed or diverted. AA’s schedule was screwed up for hours.
| 1135 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:03:39am |
re: #1130 bush’s babe
I don’t think my “Green” Co-Works like me not cheering for “Smart” cars.
They make excellent speed bumps for trucks. That’s one good thing to think about. :)
| 1136 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:04:39am |
re: #1120 taxfreekiller
low bid Government contract drugs
low bid Government contract Doctors
low bid Government re-used dirty blankets to die onredistribution in retribution
hate rules the roost
Hate rules the roost and The Blues Run The Game:
| 1137 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:05:03am |
Morning red. How’s the rat population in your area? Are they starting to wise up yet?
| 1138 |
DesertSage Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:05:16am |
re: #1128 avanti
Sorry, I can’t speak for what’s in his head any more than I can yours. So far, he’s stood up to the courts about terrorist pictures and interrogations and supported many Bush policies. I can tell you, the far left is disappointed.
The far Left is his base. Once he loses that it’s all downhill from there. Just as when Bush lost his far Right base because he spent like a Lefty.
Once the base turns on you, you either have to reinvent yourself and change your positions…or suck it up and accept low approval ratings like Bush did.
| 1139 |
SixDegrees Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:06:17am |
re: #1130 bush’s babe
I don’t think my “Green” Co-Works like me not cheering for “Smart” cars.
There’s not a hell of a lot to cheer about. A tiny, cramped, overpriced car that gets mileage comparable to…an actual car like a Focus, Accord or other entry-level sedan that can be had for a fraction of the price and that will allow you to take friends and groceries for a ride at the same time.
Now, I might be interested in the Aston Martin Cygnet . Maybe. But probably not. Why not just get a motorcycle and a heavy jacket?
| 1140 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:06:22am |
re: #1102 Dark_Falcon
Then what do you think he meant, avanti?
Dark, like I’ve posted a dozen times, he was talking about the reality of the way the courts are guided by the constitution and that it was better to ignore that route to get minority relief. He preferred working within the community to help them move up the ladder.
| 1141 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:08:20am |
re: #1116 Walter L. Newton
Notice, there is nothing in the article (or in realwest’s comment) that make a case that the GOP has or doesn’t have a shot at anything.
Avanti, you extrapolate your own thoughts on to another comment, which is dishonest.
Realwest’s (and myselft above) were only pointing out the poll, not making any case for or against a GOP advance.
Walter I assume that cheering a drop in polling tied in with hopes of his defeat in 2012, and that’s all I was referencing to.
| 1143 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:09:46am |
re: #1096 buzzsawmonkey
You are, quite simply, wrong.
How dare you attempt to silence others’ equally-valid viewpoints with your patriarchal so-called “facts”!
/
| 1144 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:09:49am |
re: #1129 Walter L. Newton
Not me Walter, I never would have voted for him if I though he was as far left as the right portrayed him.
| 1146 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:10:34am |
re: #1139 SixDegrees
There’s not a hell of a lot to cheer about. A tiny, cramped, overpriced car that gets mileage comparable to…an actual car like a Focus, Accord or other entry-level sedan that can be had for a fraction of the price and that will allow you to take friends and groceries for a ride at the same time.
Now, I might be interested in the Aston Martin Cygnet . Maybe. But probably not. Why not just get a motorcycle and a heavy jacket?
Maybe if they lived in Boston’s Back Bay, two smart car owners could jointly buy one $300,000 parking space and fit both cars in it.
(Yes, a parking space in the Back Bay recently sold for $300,000)
| 1147 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:11:09am |
re: #1130 bush’s babe
I don’t think my “Green” Co-Works like me not cheering for “Smart” cars.
I’ve noticed that the drivers of (so-called) Smart cars seem to have a death wish. Similar to the bicyclists around town, and with about as much protection. Maybe Smart car drivers should be required to wear safety helmets?
| 1148 |
Occasional Reader Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:11:14am |
re: #1139 SixDegrees
There’s not a hell of a lot to cheer about. A tiny, cramped, overpriced car that gets mileage comparable to…an actual car like a Focus, Accord or other entry-level sedan that can be had for a fraction of the price and that will allow you to take friends and groceries for a ride at the same time.
I hear that.
I was suprised when even the auto review column for the New York Times trashed them, several months ago.
| 1150 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:13:30am |
re: #1131 subsailor68
I guess I need to remember that polls are simply snapshots in time. Some are as objective as possible, others are weighted to elicit desired responses. None mean much over time.
Gosh, Governor Sanford was doing pretty well, but it only took a few days of auditioning for the Argentine version of The Sound of Music for him to nose dive like a German Stuka on a bombing run.
I get a lot of ribbing about Nate Silver, but he sorts out the pro Obama bias from the con. It’s all about how the question is framed, who you poll and the party weighing. It is however, just a snapshot and could shoot up or down in a day if something big happens. Bush was in the high 80’s right after 9-11 for example, but left in the 20’s.
| 1151 |
debutaunt Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:13:43am |
| 1152 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:15:53am |
re: #1138 DesertSage
The far Left is his base. Once he loses that it’s all downhill from there. Just as when Bush lost his far Right base because he spent like a Lefty.
Once the base turns on you, you either have to reinvent yourself and change your positions…or suck it up and accept low approval ratings like Bush did.
Bush lost the middle, the base held pretty well. Both the right and left will hold their nose and vote for the least bad candidate, the middle is where the action is.
| 1153 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:16:38am |
re: #1147 Son of the Black Dog
I’ve noticed that the drivers of (so-called) Smart cars seem to have a death wish. Similar to the bicyclists around town, and with about as much protection. Maybe Smart car drivers should be required to wear safety helmets?
I think that wouldn’t do the trick at all. Trying to find a picture I saw of a bad accident. This is the results of a small static.autoblog.nl...]>static.autoblog.nl…]>accident
| 1154 |
aggieann Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:17:30am |
re: #1139 SixDegrees
Now, I might be interested in the Aston Martin Cygnet . Maybe. But probably not. Why not just get a motorcycle and a heavy jacket?
In Paris some of the motorcycles have roofs and seatbelts.
| 1155 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:17:53am |
| 1156 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:18:14am |
re: #1149 buzzsawmonkey
Alas, I do not have the link to Obama’s 2001 NPR interview, though it may well still be up on YouTube. If you have heard it, or if you have read a transcript of that interview, there is no doubt whatsoever that Obama believes in creating what he calls “positive rights”—i.e., entitlements—and that he regards the lack of them in the Constitution as a “flaw.”
Yes, and the left read McCain comment about a 100 years of troops in Iraq as a 100 year war. We hear what we like to hear, or how it’s spun by our side.
| 1157 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:20:14am |
| 1158 |
aggieann Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:20:25am |
| 1159 |
avanti Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:21:31am |
| 1160 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:22:40am |
re: #1158 aggieann
One of my favorite covers of The New Yorker from several years ago showed a huge SUV with a Smart-car-type vehicle strapped on top like luggage.
Funnier if a squished one was tied to a fender like a deer.
| 1161 |
BlueCanuck Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:28:20am |
re: #1159 avanti
Barriers are great, but I prefer looking at real world examples of what happens when it meets a bigger vehicle like most on the road.
*bump bump* *bump bump*
| 1162 |
Son of the Black Dog Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:34:15am |
| 1163 |
Throbert McGee Tue, Jun 30, 2009 11:10:08am |
re: #1062 iceweasel
That’s terrific though— I’ve got a couple of male friends who have also been promoting frot for a while but they’re not activists. I think it’s VERY important! and who is promoting this publicly? I think Dan Savage has (sort of) endorsed this, but not promoted it.
The only guy who’s really promoting it publicly is named Bill Weintraub; he’s essentially the Founding Father of the grassroots “frot movement.” There is scandalously little promotion of frot in the “gay MSM”; instead you’ll find tips on “negotiating condom use.”
Here’s a post that I made on the Independent Gay Forum site that you will find extremely illuminating. It begins:
Go to the Washington Blade website and enter “frot” into their site search. Try it again with the synonym “frottage.”
Between these two terms, you will find all of two unique articles. The oldest is the October 2003 op-ed Rethinking Gay Sex by Bill Weintraub, who advocates frot(tage) as being even safer than anal sex with a condom, and whose essay in the Blade defines “frot” for readers unfamiliar with the term. (Weintraub uses the decorous phrase “phallus-against-phallus” rubbing.)
Then, in June 2005, a column by then-editor Chris Crain uses the term “frottage” twice…
As my post continues, the editor-in-chief of the “newspaper of record” for gay America used the term “frottage,” but did not actually bother to define it for readers who might be unclear on the concept.
I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again: in contemporary gay male culture, “stigmatizing” men who engage in barebacking (i.e., condomless anal sex) has bit by bit become a worse sin than actual barebacking. Which is why, if you click my avatar, you’ll see that I describe myself as 100% homosexual and out-of-the-closet, but not “gay” — because as far as I’m concerned, “gay” is a fucking mental toxin.
| 1165 |
jvic Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:25:18pm |
re: #1163 Throbert McGee
I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again: in contemporary gay male culture, “stigmatizing” men who engage in barebacking (i.e., condomless anal sex) has bit by bit become a worse sin than actual barebacking. Which is why, if you click my avatar, you’ll see that I describe myself as 100% homosexual and out-of-the-closet, but not “gay” — because as far as I’m concerned, “gay” is a fucking mental toxin.
This brings to mind the anti-anti-Communism on the left. I mean, Marxists are idealistic and well-intentioned. Just because mistakes were made and Communism was never implemented properly and mistakes were made is no excuse for right-wing hate which is the real enemy…
For all I know my analogy is superficial, but I wonder.
| 1166 |
jvic Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:29:42pm |
re: #1165 jvic
“Just because mistakes were made and Communism was never implemented properly and mistakes were made is no excuse for right-wing hate which is the real enemy…”
=>
“Just because mistakes were made and Communism was never implemented properly is no excuse for right-wing hate which is the real enemy… /”
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William Lewis
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Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... Cheechako
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Views: 557 • Comments: 1 • Rating: 5- A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...KGxvi
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Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
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