Pat Buchanan vs. Evolution

PoliticsJune 2009 • Views: 6,515

As we’ve noted previously, in addition to all his other wonderful attributes, “the great Patrick J. Buchanan” (Sean Hannity’s introduction for him) is a creationist.

And he has one of those “creationism checklist” articles now running at all the conservative websites (TownHall, WorldNetDaily, HumanEvents), in which he blames Charles Darwin for the majority of the world’s ills (evilution caused both Marx and Hitler!): Making a Monkey Out of Darwin.

Get it? Monkey … Darwin? Haw!

Along the way, we get the standard checklist of creationist tropes: Darwin as liar/thief/atheist, Hitler, Marx, eugenics, Nebraska Man, Piltdown Man, the fossil record, the origin of life, etc., concluding with the ever-popular equation of evolutionary science with religion:

Darwinism is not science. It is faith. Always was.

It’s interesting that paleo-knuckleheads like Buchanan think the most devastating rebuttal of all to the theory of evolution is that it’s … just like religion.

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148 comments

CynicalConservative Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:09:27pm

How about an open registration to complete the trifecta?

Nevergiveup Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:09:29pm

Like I needed another reason to hate him?

Neutral President Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:10:51pm

This should be a hoot.

Sharmuta Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:11:04pm

Darwinism is not science. It is faith. Always was.

Yes pat. The power of Darwin compels you! The power of Darwin compels you!

Good grief.

DisturbedEma Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:12:12pm

re: #2 Nevergiveup

Like I needed another reason to hate him?

No, it it the gift that just keeps on giving. . .his pie hole!

DisturbedEma Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:12:27pm

My money is on evolution. . .

DaveinMD Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:12:51pm

More of the same. I never expected anything different from Buchanan, and he doesn't disappoint. Maybe someday reason will prevail, and faith will find its proper place, a PRIVATE place, but I don't expect it any time soon.

Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:12:52pm

re: #5 DisturbedEma

No, it it the gift that just keeps on giving. . .his pie hole!

/Do you eat pie through that hole Pat?

Randall Gross Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:13:13pm

The paleothickus neandrethalis species does have certain significant identifiers. Fundamentalism, creationism, isolationism, trade protectionism, hating the jooos and the blacks, anti-war, fed and gold standard kookspiracies.

Ojoe Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:13:31pm

What a misapprehension of both faith and science does Mr. Buchannan exhibit.

Someone said that faith and reason are connected & without faith reason is gone too, and then madness comes.

Looks like it in this case.

[deleted] Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:13:38pm

ArmyWife Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:13:50pm

Is this just more proof Patrick Buchannan is a dumb ass? He has a right to be a dumb ass, mind you. I just wish the RNC had higher standards when they choose spokes dumb asses, though.

cronus Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:14:26pm

Can I get a clarification...is evilution resulting in Hitler a bad thing or good thing in the eyes of Pat Buchanan?

fizzlogic Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:14:37pm

the most devastating rebuttal of all to the theory of evolution is that it’s ... just like religion.

These folks are stuck in a time warp--repeating the same arguments they made in the 70s and 80s.

[deleted] Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:14:46pm

Neutral President Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:14:49pm

Pssst... Pat there's no such thing as "Darwinism" ok? It's not an 'ism'.

Randall Gross Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:15:08pm

re: #13 cronus

Can I get a clarification...is evilution resulting in Hitler a bad thing or good thing in the eyes of Pat Buchanan?

Since he defended Hitler in his last book, it's really hard to say.

Radicchio ad Absurdum Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:15:42pm

re: #11 buzzsawmonkey

the Christian Identity movement wraps itself in Christian trappings?

/In what does a Trappist Monk wrap himself then?

[deleted] Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:15:45pm

ArmyWife Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:17:05pm

re: #13 cronus

Can I get a clarification...is evilution resulting in Hitler a bad thing or good thing in the eyes of Pat Buchanan?

We should pose this question to Mr. Hannity - perhaps he can enlighten us.

by the way, I can't stand listening to Sean go on and on and on saying the same thing. But he does WONDERFUL things for the military. I so wish things like his drooling over Pat here didn't negate some of that for me.

Shug Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:17:11pm

It's amazing that people can deny the holocaust, while at the same time believing that the Earth is only 6000 years old

jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:17:30pm

Pat's definitely an argument against evolution.

Never got past Neanderthal.

ArmyWife Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:17:52pm

re: #21 Shug

you want logic? really now.

Racer X Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:17:59pm

Joos evolved from monkeys and apes. No me.
-Pat B.

Ojoe Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:18:29pm

re: #18 Radicchio ad Absurdum

/In what does a Trappist Monk wrap himself then?

Silence, mostly.

Here is the web page of the monastery of the guy in my avatar, Thomas Merton.

[deleted] Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:18:36pm

MandyManners Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:19:33pm

I wonder how much hate mail Charles will get.

Sharmuta Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:19:41pm

It's just stunning to me that men can be so arrogant as to dictate to God how He worked His creation. To put God in a box and define Him according to our standards. To me- that is the ultimate version of "playing God". It's very closed minded. I believe God left clues for us as to how everything came to be- and it's science that reveals these clues and gives them order and meaning.

austin_blue Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:19:56pm

The Science Times has a hilarious article today, which is kinda sorta associated with this subject:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

It's a bunch of paleontologists going to the Creation Museum.

Pat has the same internal disconnects. It would be funny w/ Pat, but he has his audience. That's *not* funny.

jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:20:31pm

re: #21 Shug

It's amazing that people can deny the holocaust, while at the same time believing that the Earth is only 6000 years old

And where does the 6000 years come from.......

An ancient Hebrew text....

Sharmuta Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:20:35pm

re: #13 cronus

Can I get a clarification...is evilution resulting in Hitler a bad thing or good thing in the eyes of Pat Buchanan?

Now that's a good question.

John Neverbend Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:21:43pm

Here's the Gould article from which Buchanan selectively quotes in RealClearPolitics:

Evolution as Fact and Theory

austin_blue Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:22:49pm

re: #28 Sharmuta

It's just stunning to me that men can be so arrogant as to dictate to God how He worked His creation. To put God in a box and define Him according to our standards. To me- that is the ultimate version of "playing God". It's very closed minded. I believe God left clues for us as to how everything came to be- and it's science that reveals these clues and gives them order and meaning.

Sharm-

Robert Heinlein wrote (paraphrasing):

"Man has never described a god superior to himself. Most gods have the manners and morals of a small child."

SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:22:57pm

Pat, you ignorant slut.

/can I say that ?

Truck Monkey Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:23:22pm

This would seem to fit well into the conversation.

Image: garylarson-evolution-large.jpg

Irenicum Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:23:40pm

re: #28 Sharmuta

Wonderfully put!

AFVetWife Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:24:11pm

re: #9 Thanos
I disagree. These are not all connected points. I, for one, agree with parts of this argument, and disagree with parts of your comments. I believe that God created us all - the entire universe - and, in the process, created evolution. So I'm on the fence here - I see the hand of God, yet I also see the logic of evolution. I don't want to offend anyone here, and am hoping for a good discussion.
Off topic (sorry), I have so many concerns about Obama - his reaction to the situation in Honduras vs. Iran, the health care plan, the cap and tax legislation. In a way, this is not off topic, in that I feel these issues are more important NOW than discussions about Darwin. If we don't win the battle for freedom, democracy, and our Constitution, all these other matters will become moot.

jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:24:46pm

re: #34 SasquatchOnSteroids

Pat, you ignorant slut.

/can I say that ?

Pejorative, needs a pejorative.

Irenicum Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:25:02pm

re: #29 austin_blue

Hey, the Times stole that from a Cincy paper that printed it last week! I guess the Times printing it will give it more press though, and that's a good thing.

Ojoe Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:25:42pm

re: #28 Sharmuta

Science is so closely related to faith! They are both pursuits of the Truth, with a capital T.

Shug Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:25:42pm

I'll let God sort out Pat.
He ain't worth my time

[deleted] Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:25:49pm

Truck Monkey Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:25:59pm

This one pretty much sums up Pat B.

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Irenicum Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:26:14pm

re: #34 SasquatchOnSteroids

Yes you can!

Dar ul Harb Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:26:19pm

Take it up with the Pope, Pat.

Today, almost half a century after the publication of the encyclical [Humani Generis (1950)], new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory. --John Paul II, October 22, 1996

[deleted] Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:27:01pm

Spenser (with an S) Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:27:53pm

Even calling it Darwinism gives the young-earthers a single boogeyman to attack as if thousands of scientists (both Christian and not) had not tried, tested and poked his theory for decades now.

Ojoe Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:28:11pm

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

Correct. & Both types of Truth are needed for a sane human life.

doppelganglander Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:28:13pm

re: #25 Ojoe

Silence, mostly.

Here is the web page of the monastery of the guy in my avatar, Thomas Merton.

I never noticed your avatar before. "The Seven-Storey Mountain" was a great book.

Irenicum Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:28:21pm

re: #43 Truck Monkey

I miss Gary Larson!

[deleted] Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:28:59pm

Spenser (with an S) Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:29:26pm

re: #37 AFVetWife

I believe that God created us all - the entire universe - and, in the process, created evolution. So I'm on the fence here - I see the hand of God, yet I also see the logic of evolution

Ditto here.

Ojoe Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:29:34pm

re: #49 doppelganglander

I have my grandma's copy of Seven Story Mountain, a bit worse for the wear by now.

John Neverbend Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:29:51pm

Buchanan and I do not have a common ancestor.

Neutral President Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:30:09pm

re: #45 Dar ul Harb

Take it up with the Pope, Pat.

There are a lot of Catholics, including but not limited to the SSPX kooks, that aren't too keen on Vatican II. They tend to still do latin mass, and often are genesis literalists to some extent. Pukecannon is one of them.

Ojoe Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:30:09pm

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe Mr. Buchannan will read this thread?

austin_blue Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:30:21pm

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

Different kinds of Truth, however; the former the "how?", and the latter the "why?"

Gould liked to call them Non-overlapping Magesteria.

Truck Monkey Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:30:32pm

re: #50 Irenicum

I miss Gary Larson!

Me too. He is still the best as far as I am concerned.

jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:31:31pm

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

Different kinds of Truth, however; the former the "how?", and the latter the "why?"

Two sides of a coin.

Ojoe Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:31:33pm

re: #58 Truck Monkey

Larson was warped to the very end. His cartoons never went stale. What a genius.

Dar ul Harb Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:31:34pm

re: #45 Dar ul Harb

(And yes, I know JPII isn't Pope. But I don't Benedict is going to contradict JPII.)

Sharmuta Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:33:28pm

re: #45 Dar ul Harb

Great point. He's going against Church teachings.

Kronocide Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:33:42pm

I am absolutely shocked reading that. Add incredulity and anger as well. Ignorant, loaded, fallacious hyperbole.

GET DARWIN!

Dar ul Harb Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:34:22pm

re: #55 ArchangelMichael

There are a lot of Catholics, including but not limited to the SSPX kooks, that aren't too keen on Vatican II. They tend to still do latin mass, and often are genesis literalists to some extent. Pukecannon is one of them.

How long ago was Genesis taken literally by Catholics?

Was that a result of Vatican II?

Jim in Virginia Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:34:52pm

re: #60 Ojoe

Larson was warped to the very end. His cartoons never went stale. What a genius.

"Mr Johnson, may I be excused? My brain is full."

Shug Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:35:25pm

re: #65 Jim in Virginia

"Mr Johnson, may I be excused? My brain is full."

"Adios Amoebas"

austin_blue Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:35:44pm

re: #37 AFVetWife

I disagree. These are not all connected points. I, for one, agree with parts of this argument, and disagree with parts of your comments. I believe that God created us all - the entire universe - and, in the process, created evolution. So I'm on the fence here - I see the hand of God, yet I also see the logic of evolution. I don't want to offend anyone here, and am hoping for a good discussion.

I agree completely. But then comes the Big Question:

"After creating evolution, and, being omniscient knowing *everything* that would follow, did God continue to actively fiddle around with his creation? If so, why would God need to?"

Ojoe Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:35:58pm

re: #65 Jim in Virginia

Or the cat in front of a gumball machine full of mice:

"Randy's going down!"

Roflmao!

wiffersnapper Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:36:12pm

Never heard of Nebraska Man before! *researches on wiki*

jcm Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:36:16pm

re: #60 Ojoe

Larson was warped to the very end. His cartoons never went stale. What a genius.

Science adopts a cartoonists view of the world.

Gella Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:36:29pm

gulp, i guess Pat Buchanan hasn't evolved yet on a gray matter scale

Jim in Virginia Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:36:34pm

re: #62 Sharmuta

Could we start a petition to have him excommunicated?
(I'm not CatholiC so have no idea how that works.)

Dar ul Harb Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:37:10pm

re: #64 Dar ul Harb

Honestly, I really don't know. I'm on the other end of the dogma spectrum as a Unitarian.

(As a conservative, I like the Latin mass, though.)

Racer X Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:37:35pm

An elderly man had owned a large farm for several years. He had a large pond in the back. It was properly shaped for swimming, so he fixed it up nicely with picnic tables, horseshoe courts, and some apple and peach trees.

One evening the old farmer decided to go down to the pond, as he hadn't been there for a while, and look it over. He grabbed a five- gallon bucket to bring back some fruit.

As he neared the pond, he heard voices shouting and laughing with glee. As he came closer, he saw it was a bunch of young women skinny-dipping in his pond.

He made the women aware of his presence and they all went to the deep end. One of the women shouted to him, 'we're not coming out until you leave!'

The old man frowned, 'I didn't come down here to watch you ladies swim naked or make you get out of the pond naked.' Holding the bucket up he said, 'I'm here to feed the alligator.'

Some old men can still think fast.

Truck Monkey Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:37:42pm

re: #68 Ojoe

Or the cat in front of a gumball machine full of mice:

"Randy's going down!"

Roflmao!

Probably my favorite of all time.

Image: midvale.gif

AFVetWife Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:38:09pm

re: #45 Dar ul Harb

I very much respect the views/opinions of J2P2. I firmly believe this is not a one-or-the-other issue - there is room for discussion on both sides.
Meanwhile, I must get to bed (after 9:30 pm here). My beloved boss retired today, and I'm not sure what MY future holds. Tomorrow, we pack up his office. We are then off until Monday. It will be so hard to come in on Monday and see his office bare - nothing of him left there. I hope they offer to buy me out.
Not sure when I'll be back here, so Happy Fourth of July to all - please remember that it was VETERANS who got us here - with our freedoms intact (for now, God help us)!

Ojoe Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:38:24pm

re: #70 jcm

Excellent !

austin_blue Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:38:28pm

re: #68 Ojoe

Or the cat in front of a gumball machine full of mice:

"Randy's going down!"

Roflmao!

"I love these things! Crunchy on the outside and a soft, chewy center!"

"Bummer of a birthmark, Hal."

VioletTiger Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:38:30pm

re: #50 Irenicum

I miss Gary Larson!

Me too!
I wish he would come out of retirement. I still laugh at his stuff.

Dar ul Harb Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:38:51pm

re: #61 Dar ul Harb

I don't think Benedict, PIMF.

Kronocide Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:39:15pm

In 1981, Gould had this advice for beleaguered Darwinists:

"Perhaps we should all lie low and rally round the flag of strict Darwinism ... a kind of old-time religion on our part."

Exactly. Darwinism is not science. It is faith. Always was.

The Theory of Evolution is science, not faith. Darwin as an imperfect man, therefore an imperfect theory, leading to Hitler, is faith.

He's dragging down Darwin to his level since science holds no gain.

jaunte Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:39:16pm

Nebraska Man:

Nebraska Man should not be considered an embarrassment to science. The scientists involved were mistaken, and somewhat incautious, but not dishonest. The whole episode was actually an excellent example of the scientific process working at its best. Given a problematic identification, scientists investigated further, found data which falsified their earlier ideas, and promptly abandoned them (a marked contrast to the creationist approach).

[Link: www.talkorigins.org...]

SlartyBartfast Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:39:28pm

Creationists seem to be unique as being ignorant of Science and Religion. But Mr. Buchanan - he seems ignorant of a whole range of issues!

/Viva la ignorance!

Ojoe Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:39:40pm

Oh well, BBL.

yochanan Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:39:49pm

RAT PUKEANAN is clearly related to monkeys the proof is both like to toss shit.

Neutral President Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:40:05pm

re: #64 Dar ul Harb

How long ago was Genesis taken literally by Catholics?

Was that a result of Vatican II?

I think that might have been JP2's doing but I'm not sure, I'm not a catholic but I have several friends who are.

I do know that there are a lot of these "traditionalist" Catholic churches floating around here that arent affiliated with SSPX (that I know of) and reject portions Vatican II, still do the Latin-priest-faces-the-altar-Mass (apparently with the Pope's OK on this too), and are OK with teaching ID/Creationism. One of their local schools takes the students to that ridiculous ICR Museum on field trips. It's common enough that I wasn't even aware that this was not "normal" for Catholics until I started reading LGF.

Spenser (with an S) Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:40:16pm

re: #67 austin_blue

"After creating evolution, and, being omniscient knowing *everything* that would follow, did God continue to actively fiddle around with his creation? If so, why would God need to?"

If He had wanted that much control, He wouldn't have given us free will, IMO.

[deleted] Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:40:51pm

Shug Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:41:08pm

Pat,
Explain Encino man, smartass

The Shadow Do Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:42:03pm

Pat Buchannan is your convivial uncle who at the family gathering for Thansksgiving dinner suddenly and loudly declares that the Jews are responsible for the recent sudden rise in turkey prices...

Uh, Uncle Pat, would you like some, uh, pie? Or, uh, I dunno...somethin'? Time to clean up here. Say goodnight to your Uncle Pat kids!

freetoken Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:42:14pm

Even though many may wish to ignore Pat Buchanan, the fact that this article of his already has 456 comments (all in the span of 9 hours) over on Townhall tells me that indeed Patrick is quite relevant to the "conservative" demographic in this nation.

Jim in Virginia Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:42:22pm

re: #68 Ojoe The four theories of life:

1) The glass is half full
2) The glass is half empty
3) Half full- no, half empty- no---
4) Hey! I ordered a cheeseburger!

wee fury Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:43:09pm

Pat Buchanan continues to astound me with his irrationality.

~Fianna Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:43:35pm

The right isn't the only direction from which anti-science and paranoia are coming from. This one hasn't seem to have broken in to the mainstream media yet, but it's making the rounds of both the anti-semetic left and right leaning nutsites

She alleges that the same complex of international pharmaceutical companies and international government agencies that have developed and released pandemic material have positioned themselves to profit from triggering the pandemic with contracts to supply vaccines. Media controlled by the group that is engineering the "swine flu" agenda is spreading misinformation to lull the people of the U.S. into taking the dangerous vaccine.

The people of the U.S. will suffer substantial and irreparable harm and injury if they are forced to take this unproven vaccine without their consent in accordance with the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act, National Emergency Act, National Security Presidential Directive/NSPD 51, Homeland Security Presidential Directive/HSPD-20, and the International Partnership on Avian and Pandemic Influenza.

In the U.S. since 2008, Burgermeister charges that those named in her allegations have implemented new and/or accelerated the implementation of laws and regulations designed to strip the citizens of the U.S. of their lawful constitutional rights to refuse an injection. These people have created or allowed provisions to remain in place that make it a criminal act to refuse to take an injection against pandemic viruses. They have imposed other excessive and cruel penalties such as imprisonment and/or quarantine in FEMA camps while barring the citizens of the U.S. from claiming compensation from injury or death from the forced injections. This is in violation of the laws governing federal corruption and the abuse of office as well as of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Through these actions, the named defendants have laid the groundwork for mass genocide.

From: [Link: www.naturalnews.com...] - it's a nutter site, but the least offensive nutter site I could find.

It's always amusing (amazing?) when the left nuts and the right nuts bend around so far to the edge that they're spouting the same inane crap.

But at least the lawsuit claims to have proof of the Illuminati and it mentions the Buildeburgers! Hopefully they'll put it on the docket right after the nirthcertifikit cases.

Amazing that it's not being covered in the media.

//they don't want you to know.

SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:43:43pm

re: #91 freetoken

Even though many may wish to ignore Pat Buchanan, the fact that this article of his already has 456 comments (all in the span of 9 hours) over on Townhall tells me that indeed Patrick is quite relevant to the "conservative" demographic in this nation.

Are they all pro-Pat ?

SlartyBartfast Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:44:32pm

re: #91 freetoken

Note: Charles "Bird" post yielded roughly the same number of comments in only 3 hrs. Is comment-count the measure of relevance?

Killgore Trout Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:44:42pm

re: #91 freetoken

Even though many may wish to ignore Pat Buchanan, the fact that this article of his already has 456 comments (all in the span of 9 hours) over on Townhall tells me that indeed Patrick is quite relevant to the "conservative" demographic in this nation.

He does get a lot of exposure on TV too but I don't see much indication that his star is rising or that he's gaining influence. He doesn't seem to be gaining any more followers than a few years ago.

Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:45:00pm

re: #76 AFVetWife

Best wishes for you!

solomonpanting Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:45:27pm

re: #89 Shug

Pat,
Explain Encino man, smartass

Uh, Michael Jackson lived there. He defies explanation.

100

_RememberTonyC Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:47:05pm

pat buchanan is a product of evolution. he evolverd from this scumbag:

[Link: modern-us-history.suite101.com...]

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austin_blue Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:47:34pm

re: #88 buzzsawmonkey

My late father, a physicist, said to me that he, and his colleagues, used to believe that rationality would vanquish the non-rational--but he realized, after a long life, that they had been wrong; while man is capable of rationality, man is not a rational being. If you attempt to suppress the non-rational, he said, all you get is bad science--for the non-rational impulse does not disappear, and it invades and corrupts the rational.

Human irrationality, or non-rationality, is something he compared to a universal solvent--that is, something which dissolves whatever it touches. The issue with a universal solvent is, what vessel can contain it so that it can be safely handled?

The only vessel that has ever been found that can safely hold the universal solvent of human irrationality so that it can sometimes be controlled and harnessed for good, said he, is religion. It is only by safely keeping that solvent in the vessel of religion that the rational side of man can grow and flourish.

Okay, Buzz, but *which one*? (Full disclaimer, I'm a Deist, not a Theist.)

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[deleted] Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:48:37pm

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VioletTiger Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:48:48pm

The Real Reason Dinosaurs became extinct.

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ShanghaiEd Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:49:01pm

re: #66 Shug

"Adios Amoebas"

Mammaries...daddaries!

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freetoken Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:50:10pm

re: #96 SlartyBartfast

In this context, yes. Look over at the "Today's Conservative Opinion" section on Townhall.

Note that right now Sowell gets 206 comments on his latest article, Prager 69, Norris 23, Schlafly 58, and even George Will only 33 comments even though his column is arguably the most important of current political issues (health care bill.)

Pat Buchanan knows "conservatives" better than most pundits. He knows what buttons to push.

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Jim in Virginia Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:50:31pm

re: #88 buzzsawmonkey

while man is capable of rationality, man is not a rational being. ...Human irrationality, or non-rationality, is something he compared to a universal solvent--that is, something which dissolves whatever it touches.

Proof:
1) Michael Jackson and the media circus surrounding his death
2) Mark Sanford, Eliot Spitzer, John Ensign, McGreevey....
3) President Obama

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[deleted] Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:51:14pm

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yochanan Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:52:40pm

re: #100 _RememberTonyC

this is why we closed our borders to europe's jews when snicklegruber gained power.

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Jim in Virginia Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:53:16pm

re: #107 buzzsawmonkey

You needn't look so far. Anyone who has ever been in love knows that human beings are not rational.

Hormones are wonderful and terrible things.
I speak as a fathe of twin fourteen year old girls.

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[deleted] Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:53:47pm

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_RememberTonyC Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:54:24pm

re: #108 yochanan

this is why we closed our borders to europe's jews when snicklegruber gained power.

True. And buchanan the nazi could be the evil spawn of coughlin himself.

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SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:55:05pm

re: #105 freetoken

I see. My question which you skipped over is irrelevant in this context.

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freetoken Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:57:23pm

re: #112 SasquatchOnSteroids

Buchanan is very good at pushing two of the most important buttons:
religion
race

And push he will.

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legalpad Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:59:38pm

Buchanan gets on TV a lot to set up a vague "right-wing" to be discredited. His silly article is name-calling and false or erroneous assertions. How nice for the left to get "science" on their side by default. Then the ignorant will know which authority figure to follow.

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SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:03:41pm

re: #113 freetoken

Buchanan is very good at pushing two of the most important buttons:
religion
race

And push he will.

Absolutely right you are, on that point.

But you characterized it as some massive avalanche of support for him.
I looked. The second comment calls him an idiot.
I'm sure others are to follow.

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Kronocide Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:03:54pm

Uncle Pat sez: Darwin's examples of natural selection -- such as the giraffe acquiring its long neck to reach ever higher into the trees for the leaves upon which it fed to survive -- have been debunked. Giraffes eat grass and bushes. And if, as Darwin claimed, inches meant life or death, how did female giraffes, two or three feet shorter, survive?

Wiki says: The giraffe browses on the twigs of trees, preferring trees of the genera Acacia, Commiphora and Terminalia, and also eats grass and fruit.[11][22] The tongue is tough due to the giraffe's diet, which can include tree thorns. In Southern Africa, giraffes feed on all acacias, especially Acacia erioloba, and possess a specially-adapted tongue and lips that are tough enough to withstand the vicious thorns of this plant. A giraffe can eat 65 pounds (29 kg) of leaves and twigs daily, but can survive on just 15 pounds (6.8 kg).[22] The giraffe requires less food than typical grazing animals because the foliage it eats has more concentrated nutrition and it has a more efficient digestive system.

That's a RealClear WIKIPWND!
It seems like a giraffe will eat grass if it has nothing else to eat. Buchannon has lost all credibility with me.

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Kronocide Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:22:03pm

[Link: bill.srnr.arizona.edu...]

Hm... giraffes battle by head banging, which is better with longer necks and harder heads. Males battle, females don't. Maybe both the acacia issue and this issue both lead to longer necks.

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Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:25:00pm

re: #28 Sharmuta

It's just stunning to me that men can be so arrogant as to dictate to God how He worked His creation. To put God in a box and define Him according to our standards.

//Is not the phrase "In His image" open to the interpretation that it means similar cognitive abilities?

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itellu3times Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:25:16pm

It’s interesting that paleo-knuckleheads like Buchanan think the most devastating rebuttal of all to the theory of evolution is that it’s ... just like religion.

Too good!

This really is the pandemic of our times, half-educated ignoramii who insist on strutting their idiocy.

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EaterOfFood Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:27:29pm

re: #14 trendsurfer

These folks are stuck in a time warp--repeating the same arguments they made in the 70s and 80s.

1970s or 1870s?

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Kronocide Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:28:51pm

I posted at the RealClear comments section for the Buch article. Freetoken posted that it had 400+ comments. I posted and the article had none, so I am first at that link. No other comments so far.

It's almost as if there's some program to let people post, thinking they are public, but hiding them, to cut down on traffic... and teh crazy!

[Link: comments.realclearpolitics.com...]

Anybody else see my comment and want to post there?

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theheat Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:41:21pm

And yet Mr. I'd Rather We Live In A Theocracy/ Creationist/ Likes To Hang With Klukkers keeps getting his fugly fat yap on television, prolonging his pseudo relevancy. He's only "there" in our faces because various assholes keep indulging his psycho babble bullshit. That, in itself, seems almost criminal.

I'd like to see Buchanan and Jimmy Carter marooned on a deserted island together. Actually, I'd rather not see it. I just want to know it happened.

Make that a very large deserted island. There's a few more terminal dumbasses I'd like to send to join them.

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Achilles Tang Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:46:00pm

re: #121 BigPapa

I followed that link out of curiosity and noted that the article was dated June 30, yet when I looked at the full list of articles for June 30 I couldn't see it. What gives?

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Kronocide Tue, Jun 30, 2009 7:57:43pm

Don't know. 45 minutes, I'm still the first comment. Boring subject I guess.

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3 wood Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:02:52pm

More job losses in the newspaper field:
Gannett Laying Off 1,000 as Ad Sales Slide: Report

Gannett, which owns top-selling newspaper USA Today, is laying off more than 1,000 staff to try and combat persistent declines in revenue, the Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday.
The cuts will come from the company's Community Publishing division, which groups more than 80 local dailies, the newspaper citing a person familiar with the company's thinking as saying.

The Wall Street Journal added that it was unclear precisely how many jobs will be lost, but cited the source as saying it will be under 2,000.

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3 wood Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:10:04pm

Remember when we were hearing that economic recovery would start in June?

And then in the 3rd Quarter?

Well now the Fed thinks recovery may start late in 2009.

Fed's Yellen: Slow Recovery to Start in Late 2009

The U.S. recession is likely to end later in 2009, ushering in a "frustratingly slow" recovery marked by continued high unemployment, a top Federal Reserve official said on Tuesday.
Janet Yellen, president of the San Francisco Fed, looked for inflation to stay low for several years, and hinted that the central bank should be in no hurry to raise interest rates even once growth turns positive.

"I am not optimistic that the economy will spring back to normal anytime soon," Yellen told the Commonwealth Club of California in San Francisco.

The U.S. jobless rate is likely to rise from its current level, and it could take

several years to return to full employment, Yellen said -- a period that could intensify downward pressure on wages and prices.

If inflation indeed stays low, after all the money jumped into the economy by the Fed's, then we got major long term problems. And some of those problems may include Cap and Trade and nationalized health care.

And expect major spinning by the left to avoid taking any responsibility.

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Rich H Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:14:43pm

I don't read or listen to Pat any more. But I don't have a fundamental problem with creationists...unless they try to fob creationism off as science.

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Kronocide Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:15:15pm

Most of the stimulus money hasn't even flowed yet.

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lostlakehiker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:18:20pm

It’s interesting that paleo-knuckleheads like Buchanan think the most devastating rebuttal of all to the theory of evolution is that it’s ... just like religion.

Of course, Buchanan would say that it's just like every religion except for the one true faith. That's also what the Muslims, the Holy Rollers, and the rest of the lot say.

Buchanan is a button pusher. He's just not that into religion per se. He's into grinding out a measure of fame, or notoriety, by fellow traveling with fascism and know-nothing-ism. Back when, when Phil Gramm and he were fighting for last place in a presidential nomination race in Louisiana, Buchanan had fliers circulated explaining why Gramm was unfit for the presidency: he was married to a Korean woman. [Buchanan left out mention of her accomplishments, her U.S. citizenship, etc.]

To the credit of Louisiana voters, it didn't work.

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Lynn B. Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:25:55pm

re: #102 buzzsawmonkey

That is another discussion.

No, it's not, actually. There may be some religions that can "safely hold the universal solvent of human irrationality so that it can sometimes be controlled and harnessed for good" but there are others that, obviously, do the opposite. And clearly there are many people who are able to cultivate their rational side without religion.

Your father z"l was obviously a wise man. But there's "religion" and then there's "religion." Pat Buchanan's got religion, but it certainly doesn't seem to be harnessing his human irrationality for too much good.

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tobariv Tue, Jun 30, 2009 8:55:07pm

It really is time for Pat Buchanan to shut up. He is so full of hot air and anger. Why isn't this guy marginalized by all media as William F. Buckley did when he was removed from his magazine? Didn't Pat have surgery on an aneurysm? Doesn't he understand that it is science that saved him and his loud mouth. He probably had doctors and nurses who were not Aryan and that must really bother him.

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subsailor68 Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:10:05pm

For the record, this is a post from 8:48:28 this morning:

Morning all! Wow! Charles is gonna wake up to an amazing article this morning!

Making a Monkey Out of Darwin

Good ol' Pat Buchanan is back at it! Did you know:

"Karl Marx loved Darwinism," writes Windchy. "To him, survival of the fittest as the source of progress justified violence in bringing about social and political change, in other words, the revolution."

Or:

Darwin suited Adolf Hitler's purposes, too.

Charles Darwin also suited the purpose of the eugenicists and Herbert Spencer, who preached a survival-of-the-fittest social Darwinism to robber baron industrialists exploiting 19th-century immigrants.

Or:

Historian Jacques Barzun believes Darwinism brought on World War I

He also tosses in Piltdown Man and Nebraska Man, why giraffes' necks aren't part of evolution.....gee, there's just so much!

My, that Chuck Darwin was a busy little bee wasn't he!

Pat's gone goofy...oh, wait, that's not news.

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lostlakehiker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:22:05pm

re: #126 3 wood

Remember when we were hearing that economic recovery would start in June?

And then in the 3rd Quarter?

Well now the Fed thinks recovery may start late in 2009.

Fed's Yellen: Slow Recovery to Start in Late 2009

If inflation indeed stays low, after all the money jumped into the economy by the Fed's, then we got major long term problems. And some of those problems may include Cap and Trade and nationalized health care.

And expect major spinning by the left to avoid taking any responsibility.

It cannot stay low much longer. Hoping to control inflation by goosing the money supply is like trying to blow out a fire with a gust from an oxygen tank.

Nationalized health care shouldn't have much effect on the economy. People will get sick just like before. It'll still be expensive. There'll be a little bit of triage, with the sickest people being cut off from expensive treatments that offer little real hope of effecting a cure. There'll be more bureaucracy gumming the works, and that will offset any savings from triage.

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lostlakehiker Tue, Jun 30, 2009 9:43:38pm

re: #117 BigPapa

[Link: bill.srnr.arizona.edu...]

Hm... giraffes battle by head banging, which is better with longer necks and harder heads. Males battle, females don't. Maybe both the acacia issue and this issue both lead to longer necks.

Actually, giraffes battle by "neck banging". I've seen it. It's deceptively innocuous stuff, but there is tremendous mass and impetus behind those slow-looking crashes. Think of how the lazily turning blades of a modern windmill are actually moving over 100mph at the tips.

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leereyno Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:19:50pm

People like Buchanan make the average leftist look sane and virtuous.

Where the hell do people like him come from anyway?

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:49:20pm

re: #33 austin_blue

Sharm-

Robert Heinlein wrote (paraphrasing):

"Man has never described a god superior to himself. Most gods have the manners and morals of a small child."

I think Heinlein's reading list was limited.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:51:00pm

re: #64 Dar ul Harb

How long ago was Genesis taken literally by Catholics?

Was that a result of Vatican II?

Long before Vatican II. It's possible that Genesis was interpreted literally at some point in the Church's history, but I'm not aware of it. Anyone?

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Areozol Tue, Jun 30, 2009 11:54:20pm

It’s interesting that paleo-knuckleheads like Buchanan think the most devastating rebuttal of all to the theory of evolution is that it’s ... just like religion.

This is what I call "shooting yourself in the foot".

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freetoken Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:04:18am

re: #121 BigPapa

I posted at the RealClear comments section for the Buch article. Freetoken posted that it had 400+ comments.

It's on the Townhall thread that Pat got so many comments.

One good reason for that is simply that Townhall is part of a large religious website company... thus many posters are religious in nature.

As I said above, Pat knows to push the religion button.

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SixDegrees Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:25:12am

Along the way, we get the standard checklist of creationist tropes: Darwin as ...atheist

It must have escaped Pat's attention that Darwin was trained as a pastor.

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philip Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:42:07am

Pat is such a kook, and also an inconsistent one. Judging by his views on Darwin and Hitler, shouldn't he also be a Darwin supporter?

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odorlesspaintthinner Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:45:16am

Talking points:

1. At what point in America do you NOT get attention for being off the wall?
2. This guy is another example of an anti-Israel "conservative" that CNN managed to find and put on Crossfire (see also Bob Novak). Way to find conservatives who reflect the mainstream, CNN!
3. Gratuitous opportunity to point out that evolution is officially consistent (okay, not inconsistent) with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, thereby once again somewhat smugly distancing from "creationism."

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Land Shark Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:20:20am

Pat Buchanan's stuck on stupid. As a Creationist, I recognize the clear difference between an article of faith and science, which is what Evolution is. I'm tired of people who equate Evolution with religion, it's such bullshit. The theory of Evolution has not been treated as dogma by scientists, quite the contrary. It has been studied to the point that scientists now have different views on certain aspects of it than Darwin. Like astronomy, The Theory of Evolution has "evolved" (I know I've made the pun before but it's still applicable) and will continue to evolve as scientists continue to study and learn.

Of course, a fool like Buchanan couldn't be expected to acknowledge reality. Much easier to just rant and rave like the idiot he is. Go away, Pat, please go away!

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S'latch Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:53:39am

If the theory of evolution somehow led to Adolph Hitler and the Nazis, why would Pat Buchanan think that the theory of evolution is so bad?

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RunningBare Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:25:16am

See, ya all are just nuts. Evolution, Creationism, etc... Everyone knows the REAL story. Duh.

[Link: www.geocities.com...]

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anotherindyfilmguy Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:03:29am

Science is a religion? Mebbe gwoba warmin' theorists Pat...
Denial of the truth painstakingly placed before you, that is an act of faith and not reason...
Mebbe this planet is just an insane asylum for aliens-oh wait that's a religion as well... sigh... sigh...

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Yashmak Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:56:33am

I don't understand Buchanan's agenda here.

If he's trying to portray evolution as a religion instead of science, in order to prevent it from being taught in bio-sciences classes, it still wouldn't mean creationism should be taught in those classrooms. It would just mean (in the hypothetical situation that his nonsensical ideas were bought-into by the majority) that NO explanation whatsoever of how species got to where they are now, from initial single celled life, would be taught.

I mean, if he were to be taken as correct, we certainly wouldn't compound one so-called violation, with another by teaching creationism in those classes, would you?

I couldn't help but just shake my head as I read that. Such a sad commentary on human nature that in this day and age, with so much discovery already behind us, individuals who are supposed to be leaders can so readily and willingly ignore it.

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Threnody Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:03:29am

It’s interesting that paleo-knuckleheads like Buchanan think the most devastating rebuttal of all to the theory of evolution is that it’s ... just like religion.

There's a parallel here to the way your average moonbat used to scream "BUSH LIED!" Could it be that the reason they find that attack so forceful, is because they know that they themselves have embraced lying as a cornerstone of their entire political methodology? I.e., does it gain power in their minds because it's the one attack they fear the most and know they have no answer for?

The same thing goes for the creationists' thoroughly dishonest "it's all a steaming pile of faith" attack. If it were true, you'd think they would approve--except that then, they wouldn't be able to pretend that creationism is based on what they call "science." Pat Buchanan: what a tool.

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