1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:40:34am

Auto? Or Charles?

You decide....

2 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:40:57am

Hmmm, wonder if this will fix some problems I have been having lately with my version of FF at home. Pages will load with undecipherable text, clearing cache, restarting will sometimes work, but not all the time. Seems to affect page ads the most for some reason.

3 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:42:12am

What the hell. Downloading it now.

"See you on the other side, Ray."
"Been a pleasure working with you, Dr. Venkman."

4 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:42:47am

My home machine is getting old and I've been having some problems with FF. Or maybe it's just the old laptop.

Whatever. I'll have to fire it up later and see how this works.

5 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:43:11am

Best of luck FBV. If all else fails there's Internut Exploder to get back here.

6 rightside  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:43:29am

I'm using it now, downloaded and installed it early this morning. All bookmarks and addons working fine.

7 Mithrax  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:43:30am

What the hell I'll give her a whirl.

Worse comes to worse, it don't work.

8 mbruce  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:43:33am

On it like Blue Bonnet

9 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:43:35am

re: #3 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What the hell. Downloading it now.

"See you on the other side, Ray."
"Been a pleasure working with you, Dr. Venkman."

Knives, new software ... it's a brave new FBV.

/

How are you this fine morning?

10 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:44:05am

I don't know a thing about firefox. Is it a different operating system or does it work with windows.

11 Gella  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:44:39am

woow, thats way early in the morning
thanks :))

12 Gella  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:45:37am

same version, since i downloaded last night :)

13 Mithrax  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:46:43am

works fine so far.

14 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:47:52am

re: #7 Mithrax

What the hell I'll give her a whirl.

Worse comes to worse, it don't work.


I'm trying it out too.

15 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:49:32am

I've never messed with the browser on my PCs (all preloaded with IE) other than to update them when I got the automatic notice.

As a neophite I need some guidance.

What is the advantage to using one of these other free browsers?

I don't do any gaming on line (my kids sometimes do at home) and only rarely run video. I do try to call up large pdf files from time to time.

What say ye Lizard techie honcos?

16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:49:33am

Like I said..." See ya on the other side, Lizards."

Re-boot! And surf no more!

17 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:51:08am

No response? What kind of help desk is this anyway? /

18 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:53:53am

re: #17 DaddyG

I use FF and Opera, with IE used only for those websites that don't work well with the other two.

Using FF or Opera will cut down on the number of attacks on your machine. That is probably because fewer hackers use those browsers as opposed to IE.

19 Mithrax  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:55:09am

Hmmm. so far so good, except it switches windows when someone messages me in Facebook

20 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:55:40am

So far, so great!

/...if it stops The Daily Crash I'll be happy

21 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:55:56am

re: #15 DaddyG

I've never messed with the browser on my PCs (all preloaded with IE) other than to update them when I got the automatic notice.

As a neophite I need some guidance.

What is the advantage to using one of these other free browsers?

I don't do any gaming on line (my kids sometimes do at home) and only rarely run video. I do try to call up large pdf files from time to time.

What say ye Lizard techie honcos?

Firefox, Safari, Chrome, Opera are all alternative browsers, and IMHO, all better, fast and safer than IE. Download Firefox and try it out, I think you will like it better than IE. I've used it for years and love it.

22 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:57:05am

Does FF or Opera work faster when the LGF threads get into the 600+ range? IE slows to a crawl and I can't see what I've typed for a good 30 seconds.

23 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:57:17am

Wow, I likey.

24 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:58:36am

re: #15 DaddyG

I've never messed with the browser on my PCs (all preloaded with IE) other than to update them when I got the automatic notice.

As a neophite I need some guidance.

What is the advantage to using one of these other free browsers?

I don't do any gaming on line (my kids sometimes do at home) and only rarely run video. I do try to call up large pdf files from time to time.

What say ye Lizard techie honcos?

Firefox has the adavantage of plugins, little applications that graft themselves onto the browser and add features to it, like a bar with weather reports or tools for analyzing web page source code. There are now thousands of these. Firefox was one of the first browsers to add tabbing, something IE has finally caught up with. It is also more standards compliant.

This last can be a problem. A huge share of the Web gets viewed with IE only - something like 80% - and IE has been horrible about allowing non-standard extensions to HTML to flourish in it's browser. The result is a glut of pages that are viewable using IE, but which fail to display "properlY" in strictly standard compliant browsers. This is becoming less of a problem, as alternative browsers add "quirks mode" displays that mimic IE screwups, and as IE itself moves towards greater standards compliance.

Other plugin technologies - Flash, PDF viewers, and so forth - tend to be released for IE first, and often versions for Firefox are delayed or nonexistent, at least for less common file formats.

I like Firefox because I'm a Linux guy and IE simply isn't available, and because it isn't a Microsoft product. But in real life, for the average person I don't see much advantage, and there are several potential disadvantages to Firefox if the sites you visit host IE-specific pages. Which they shouldn't, but many, many do.

25 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:59:35am

re: #22 DaddyG

I have found FireFox to be a good browser for all sorts of sites. There are a few that it doesn't work on. Usually sites that are optimized for IE only. Other wise I have found FF to be good all round.

26 Bea Rock  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:59:56am

Firefox 3.5 is great. Faster browsing. I downloaded it on my husbands computer that runs XP and it is working a lot faster. The older version of Firefox did not run that well and he went back to IE.

27 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:01:30am

Thank you for the information. I think I will leave the work PC alone and try it out at home later this weekend.

Much apprecation for the advice and insights!

28 Mithrax  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:13:33am

Ok, nobody's posted a message on either thread in the past 10 minutes or so.

Y'all wake up!

29 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:15:05am

re: #28 Mithrax

Organizing bookmarks, which is WAY easier with this new FireFox.

/happy puppy! :-)

30 J.D.  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:15:23am

Done with it!
It seems to work faster.

31 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:15:52am

re: #22 DaddyG

Does FF or Opera work faster when the LGF threads get into the 600+ range? IE slows to a crawl and I can't see what I've typed for a good 30 seconds.

Try spy mode when the threads get long DG, much faster. I use IE here at work too but turnspawn2 uses firefox on the home computer and loves it.

32 J.D.  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:16:03am

re: #29 littleoldlady

Hi lol!
Going to check the bookmarks now.

33 srb1976  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:16:41am

Good morning,
Waiting for coffee to be done so that I can wake up before I wake the children up = )

34 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:17:09am

J.D.! :-)

35 baier  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:17:26am

Wow, early riser...Charles must be in training to get up early enough to watch the Tour de France.

36 buster  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:18:11am

I have been on the beta test for a couple of weeks and it seems OK. When I booted up this morning Explorer 8 asked to come on board. I downloaded it also. When I have the time, and desire, I can compare them.

37 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:19:31am

re: #3 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What the hell. Downloading it now.

"See you on the other side, Ray."
"Been a pleasure working with you, Dr. Venkman."

"Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!"

38 Ateam  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:20:31am

re: #28 Mithrax

Ok, nobody's posted a message on either thread in the past 10 minutes or so.

Y'all wake up!

Foxes are foxy for the tribe/thread fire

39 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:20:48am

Hey! Good Morning {littleoldlady}

40 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:25:18am

I have a morbit amusement watching CA flatline....all these deep cuts in education, but legislators only give up pennies....btw the GOP has drawn the line


[Link: www.latimes.com...]

41 Mithrax  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:25:27am

re: #39 BlueCanuck

*passes BC a 24 for this Day of Days*

42 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:25:49am

WASHINGTON - The Justice Department is expected to release on Wednesday an internal CIA report on the agency's secret detention and interrogation program during the Bush administration.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Sure, why not, what could go wrong.

43 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:27:14am

re: #41 Mithrax

*passes BC a 24 for this Day of Days*

Make mine Upper Canada Dark please. :)

/micro brew, canadian, good taste. Better then that water they call beer from Molson's. :)

44 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:27:57am

re: #40 albusteve

I have a morbit amusement watching CA flatline....all these deep cuts in education, but legislators only give up pennies....btw the GOP has drawn the line

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

I see that they are going to have to issue IOUs

To conserve cash, State Controller John Chiang plans to issue IOUs by Thursday to the state's vendors, local agencies overseeing health programs and various recipients of state aid -- including the elderly and disabled and college students.

He plans to send $3.36 billion in IOUs this month to help maintain $10.9 billion in other payments, including money owed to investors holding California's general obligation debt.

I'll bet that fixes the mess.

45 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:27:57am

re: #41 Mithrax

Forgot to ask. What is your pleasure? 24 or 40ozer?

46 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:27:58am

BlueCanuck! :-)

Oh! Oh! I found a most excellent plug in! "Read Later". As someone who is addicted to the spinoff links it doesn't get any better than this...

47 Mithrax  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:28:41am

re: #43 BlueCanuck

Make mine Upper Canada Dark please. :)

/micro brew, canadian, good taste. Better then that water they call beer from Molson's. :)

Had it, wasn't bad. I think I tried a micro called "Warthog Ale" that wasn't bad either.

the Trafalgar Brewing Company in Oakville is pretty good stuff too.

48 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:29:32am

re: #47 Mithrax

Don't know if they make it anymore, just don't try Upper Canada Rebellion Ale.

/I did, and so did it.

49 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:29:57am

re: #44 razorbacker

I'll bet that fixes the mess.

Didn't Sebilius issue IOU's to Kansas residents for tax rebates?

50 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:30:43am

Good Morning Lizards! I haven't been outside yet, but It seems to be overcast and generally dull.

Anything earth-shattering happen while I was asleep?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

51 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:30:49am

Good morning y'all - from a very warm (71 degrees going up to 93 degrees) bright and sunny Charloot!
Hope everyone is doing well this morning!

52 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:32:12am

Sen. Daniel K. Inouye's staff contacted federal regulators last fall to ask about the bailout application of an ailing Hawaii bank that he had helped to establish and where he has invested the bulk of his personal wealth.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Well since he is not cheating on his wife, I guess no one will really care

53 KenJen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:32:14am

re: #42 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON - The Justice Department is expected to release on Wednesday an internal CIA report on the agency's secret detention and interrogation program during the Bush administration.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Sure, why not, what could go wrong.

"the forces of transparency within the Obama administration are winning over the forces of secrecy"..said ACLU attorney Obi-wan Kenobi.

54 Pianobuff  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:32:21am

What the heck is this?

55 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:33:11am

oh, Obi-wan.

I miss Obiwan.

56 Mithrax  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:33:57am

re: #48 BlueCanuck

Don't know if they make it anymore, just don't try Upper Canada Rebellion Ale.

/I did, and so did it.

Warthog Ale

Or look them up at Beertaster.ca

57 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:34:00am

re: #55 ggt

oh, Obi-wan.

I miss Obiwan.

Ah kiss my kanobe

58 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:34:09am

BBIAW, time to do work stuff.

59 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:34:45am

re: #52 Nevergiveup

Sen. Daniel K. Inouye's staff contacted federal regulators last fall to ask about the bailout application of an ailing Hawaii bank that he had helped to establish and where he has invested the bulk of his personal wealth.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Well since he is not cheating on his wife, I guess no one will really care

It's more that he is not a republican. Barney frank did the same thing here in MA and no one said a word.

60 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:36:57am

re: #55 ggt
Good morning ggt - I miss Obi-wan too - very, very much.

61 Neutral President  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:38:07am

I've been using the beta of Firefox 3.5 for awhile (still am on this computer), and haven't had any problems at all. I haven't noticed if they fixed the memory hogging problem though. I have been happy enough with it to stop cheating on it with that hussie Google Chrome though.

62 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:38:40am

re: #59 soxfan4life

Baseball question:

I noticed the other night that Big Popi has lost a lot of bat speed. I could not tell if he's hurt or just losing it.

What's are you hearing, is he hurt?

63 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:39:39am

re: #51 realwest

Hope everyone is doing well this morning!

Doing fine, and you?

64 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:40:28am

re: #57 Nevergiveup
Obi Wan was the nic of an LGF poster out here and a personal meat world friend of mine. He was a true Gentlemen in every sense of the word. He was a Vietnam Vet who never bragged about his medals, who always treated people with at least as much kindness as they treated him, and he died of a massive coronary two years ago, this past March.

I know you didn't know this when you made your comment, so I wanted you to know this. I miss him very much and so does LGF.

65 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:41:14am

history is dead...RIP


[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

66 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:41:41am

re: #63 3 wood I'm doing fine my friend - just sent you an e-mail before I climbed on board LGF, as a matter of fact!
How are you doing today?

67 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:41:43am

re: #62 3 wood

Baseball question:

I noticed the other night that Big Popi has lost a lot of bat speed. I could not tell if he's hurt or just losing it.

What's are you hearing, is he hurt?

Haven't heard about any injury. He seems to have come around at the plate,I don't know if he was having problems early on with the wrist injury from last year. But after seeing the results this season, if I owned a MLB team there is no way I would allow any player under contract to play in the WBC. It hurt Papi,Daisuke, and others on other teams.

68 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:41:46am

Want a laugh?

Just heard on WLS radio:

The weatherman was reading a forecast for rain and actually said:

"Today's showers will be in the form of rain."

Wow, really?

69 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:41:58am

re: #60 realwest

Good morning ggt - I miss Obi-wan too - very, very much.

How you doin' today RW?

70 Nevergiveup  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:43:09am

re: #64 realwest

Obi Wan was the nic of an LGF poster out here and a personal meat world friend of mine. He was a true Gentlemen in every sense of the word. He was a Vietnam Vet who never bragged about his medals, who always treated people with at least as much kindness as they treated him, and he died of a massive coronary two years ago, this past March.

I know you didn't know this when you made your comment, so I wanted you to know this. I miss him very much and so does LGF.

OK. Good to know.Thanks

71 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:43:12am

re: #68 3 wood

Want a laugh?

Just heard on WLS radio:

The weatherman was reading a forecast for rain and actually said:

"Today's showers will be in the form of rain."

Wow, really?

And yet it won't affect Blago's hairdo.

72 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:43:46am

re: #68 3 wood

Want a laugh?

Just heard on WLS radio:

The weatherman was reading a forecast for rain and actually said:

"Today's showers will be in the form of rain."

Wow, really?

What, Daley won't be dropping money from the sky today?

73 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:44:01am

re: #69 ggt I'm ok, I guess, more melancholy since you mentioned Obi-wan, but otherwise ok.
He's on The LGF Prayer List, under In Memoriam and I pray for everyone on that list every night.

74 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:45:41am

re: #67 soxfan4life

Well, I would not look for a whole lot of production out of him for the time being. And once the pitchers recognize his slower bat speed, they will eat him up with inside fastballs and sliders. He can't get around on them now.

75 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:45:43am

re: #70 Nevergiveup
You're quite welcome - I wish you could have known him - even if only on LGF - you would have been enriched by "knowing him" even just as a poster out here.

76 Lincolntf  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:46:18am

re: #59 soxfan4life

Speaking of MA, I was happy to see another Howie Carr column slamming Finneran. I know it has to drive the oh-so superior Finneran absolutely insane to be the butt of so many criticisms/jokes.
Carr

77 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:46:31am

Reports show the market is deteriorating at a slower pace

I will mention that if you cut an artery, at first the blood will spurt really high, but as you bleed out the blood spurts less and less.

That does not mean that you are getting better. That means that you are dying.

78 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:47:22am

re: #64 realwest

I know you didn't know this when you made your comment, so I wanted you to know this. I miss him very much and so does LGF.

Obi was a classy guy in every sense of the word.

79 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:47:49am

Anyone ever heard of this guy?

80 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:47:55am

re: #74 3 wood

Well, I would not look for a whole lot of production out of him for the time being. And once the pitchers recognize his slower bat speed, they will eat him up with inside fastballs and sliders. He can't get around on them now.

The move down in the order seems to have helped. To me it seems as though he hasn't been able to catch up to the inside fastball for a couple of years. I think we are beginning to see the end for Papi unless the Sox get another Manny type hitter to protect him.

81 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:48:24am

re: #73 realwest

I'm ok, I guess, more melancholy since you mentioned Obi-wan, but otherwise ok.
He's on The LGF Prayer List, under In Memoriam and I pray for everyone on that list every night.

Sorry RW.

82 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:50:15am

re: #76 Lincolntf

Since Billy Bulger left office Howie has had to find new targets. What did you think of his nickname the corrupt midget?

83 KenJen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:50:46am

re: #79 ggt

Anyone ever heard of this guy?

No. But I can guess he doesn't get a lot of grant money.

84 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:51:17am

Good morning, everyone. It's shaping up to be a nice, sticky day here in DC, and a thank whichever deity is looking down upon me that I work inside. I hope everyone is having a good day (or night, depending on the timezone)!

85 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:54:10am

re: #84 MrSilverDragon

Good morning, everyone. It's shaping up to be a nice, sticky day here in DC, and a thank whichever deity is looking down upon me that I work inside. I hope everyone is having a good day (or night, depending on the timezone)!


What, did the President resign? Al Franken wins the Senate seat and the Dem's have a super majority. And yet 0's policies suck so bad that he is looking for Republican support so he has a fallback for the blame. Any GOP Congressman that falls for it needs to be voted out ASAP.

86 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:54:53am

re: #81 ggt Oh, no, I didn't mean to make you feel bad, just stating that your comment - obviously unknowingly - made me feel that way!
I never heard of the guy until that link - seems an interesting sort - doesn't believe in ID, does believe in Science and Freedom of Speech and MANIFESTLY does not belong in an "academic culture". That the college paper would purge all of it's articles about or by him speaks volumes about what it was he had to say, even though I think he could have found a more diplomatic approach with his language! LOL!

87 Lincolntf  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:54:56am

re: #82 soxfan4life

Thought it was great. Another arrogant bastard/criminal that Howie wasn't afraid to tell the truth about. That's how I ended up referring to Bulger myself for the last couple years of his reign.
Carr is pretty fearless considering that he has to work/socialize in the same City that all his targets inhabit. Especially in a "small-town" City like Boston where everybody knows everything about everybody else.

88 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:55:43am

Job losses mount:

Private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June: ADP

Companies in the U.S. private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June, according to the ADP employment report released Wednesday.

The report comes one day before the Labor Department reports on nonfarm payroll growth for June.

The decline in employment was close to the consensus forecast of Wall Street economists surveyed by MarketWatch for a decline of 498,000.

Over the past three months, monthly employment losses have averaged 492,000. This is an improvement from the first quarter's average 691,000 monthly job losses.

Although many economists say the economy is improving, the labor market has shown no signs of life.

"Despite some recent indications that economic activity is stabilizing, employment, which usually trails overall economic activity, is likely to decline for at least several more months, although perhaps not as rapidly as during the last six months," said Joel Prakken, chairman of Macroeconomic Advisers LLC, which created the report.

Economists expect payroll employment to drop by 325,000 in June and for the unemployment rate to rise to 9.6%.

Prepare for the left wing spin machine to kick into gear. What will the talking points be this time?

89 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:56:41am

re: #88 3 wood

Job losses mount:

Private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June: ADP

Prepare for the left wing spin machine to kick into gear. What will the talking points be this time?

Let's ask Avanti.

90 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:56:46am

re: #85 soxfan4life

What, did the President resign? Al Franken wins the Senate seat and the Dem's have a super majority. And yet 0's policies suck so bad that he is looking for Republican support so he has a fallback for the blame. Any GOP Congressman that falls for it needs to be voted out ASAP.

I said "good" day, not "oh my goodness maybe the world is turning around and getting on the right track for once because there's so much irritating crap going on that needs to be fixed" day... :)

91 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:56:49am

re: #80 soxfan4life

The move down in the order seems to have helped. To me it seems as though he hasn't been able to catch up to the inside fastball for a couple of years. I think we are beginning to see the end for Papi unless the Sox get another Manny type hitter to protect him.

The Saaawks may need to eat some contract and try to trade him for some prospects.

93 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:57:26am

to coupe or not to coupe?...Honduras tells OAS to pound sand....from Hot Air

[Link: hotair.com...]

94 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:57:53am

re: #87 Lincolntf

Thought it was great. Another arrogant bastard/criminal that Howie wasn't afraid to tell the truth about. That's how I ended up referring to Bulger myself for the last couple years of his reign.
Carr is pretty fearless considering that he has to work/socialize in the same City that all his targets inhabit. Especially in a "small-town" City like Boston where everybody knows everything about everybody else.

The only thing I never agreed with was the outrage over Billy refusing to give up Whitey. Sorry, but if the F.B.I. let my brother slip through their fingers I'd never give them the information either. Guess it's the Irish blood in me.

95 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:57:58am

re: #88 3 wood

What talking points? It will be ignored.

96 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:57:58am

re: #89 Walter L. Newton
Good morning Walter - I don't know if we can, avanti ususally shows up after 3 wood has left the building.

97 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:58:08am

re: #54 Pianobuff

What the heck is this?



Free Range Hemorrhoid.

98 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:58:16am

Oh, joy. The Kid got up coughing and puking this morning. Poor guy.

99 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:58:37am

re: #88 3 wood

Job losses mount:

Private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June: ADP

Prepare for the left wing spin machine to kick into gear. What will the talking points be this time?

Don't worry, but the end of the summer, 14.5 million out of work Americans will be trained in how to apply weather stripping to windows and doors.

Then we just have to find a way to force people into paying for re-winterizing their homes.

100 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:59:14am

re: #88 3 wood

Job losses mount:

Private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June: ADP


Prepare for the left wing spin machine to kick into gear. What will the talking points be this time?


President Hopeandchange's useful idiot will say the President warned us that unemployment was going to 10%. Then the word "inherited" will be spoken.

102 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:59:50am

re: #96 realwest

Good morning Walter - I don't know if we can, avanti ususally shows up after 3 wood has left the building.

very keen point...I've noticed myself

103 ErnieG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:00:07am

I've been using Firefox 3.5 (beta) for over a month now with no problems. The NoScript plugin is particularly useful when going to new sites, as it blocks annoying jumps to new pages that can evade the normal popup blocker.

104 KenJen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:00:26am

re: #88 3 wood

"Things have to get worse before they get better. So these numbers show were moving in the right direction. I am not deeply concerned."-Obama.

105 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:01:03am

re: #88 3 wood
Hey my friend, you left out some interesting data from your link: Employment in the service-providing sector in June fell by 223,000. The goods-producing sector declined 250,000, and employment in factories dropped 146,000.

Employment in manufacturing has declined for 40 straight months.

Large businesses saw employment fall by 91,000. Medium-sized firms declined 205,000, and small firms dropped 177,000.


Do you know what the current rate of unemployment is (we'll skip the underemployment situation for now)?

106 Mich-again  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:01:57am

re: #84 MrSilverDragon

Good morning, everyone. It's shaping up to be a nice, sticky day here in DC, and a thank whichever deity is looking down upon me that I work inside. I hope everyone is having a good day (or night, depending on the timezone)!

67 and breezy here and the AC is in Off mode. The clouds have blotted out the sun for days. Is it still up there?

107 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:02:01am

re: #92 Ojoe
Another great photo! Thanks and how are you this morning Ojoe?

108 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:02:21am

I posted this last night, but in case anybody missed it:

Gannett to cut more than 1,000 jobs: WSJ


Newspaper publisher Gannett Co. will cut more than 1,000 jobs, according to a media report published Tuesday. The online edition of The Wall Street Journal, citing an unnamed source, reported that Gannett will make the cuts at its U.S. Community Publishing division, which consists of more than 80 local daily papers. Gannett, like other newspaper publishers, is suffering from a decline in advertising revenue. The company cut more than 10% of its 41,500 employees last year, and had been widely expected to make further reductions.

I guess that Obama stimulus plan has not yet worked out for them.

109 ErnieG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:02:26am

For those of us on the East Coast, it's good to see a new thread start before noon.

110 Lincolntf  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:02:33am

re: #93 albusteve

The notion of the two foreign Presidents and the reps from the UN and OAS joining Zelaya on his return has debacle written all over it. I can't see it happening. I think Zelaya should cut his losses, use some of the money he's no doubt stolen/accepted as bribes throughout his career and set himself up for a nice, quiet retirement on some Caribbean island. He's only got 6 months left in his term anyway.

111 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:03:03am

re: #77 razorbacker

Reports show the market is deteriorating at a slower pace

I will mention that if you cut an artery, at first the blood will spurt really high, but as you bleed out the blood spurts less and less.

That does not mean that you are getting better. That means that you are dying.

The bad news has to become less bad before it become good news. Jobs losses have to go down, before they become job increases.
Watch the market today, and especially tomorrow when the big job numbers come out.
I had just finished reading a optimistic report from my broker, and at the same time saw a guy on Fox talking about a depression. IMHO, you should do your homework if you are in the market and don't just trust one source.

112 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:03:09am

re: #99 Walter L. Newton

Then we just have to find a way to force people into paying for re-winterizing their homes.

Ergo, Cap and Trade.

113 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:03:27am

re: #88 3 wood

Job losses mount:

Private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June: ADP

Prepare for the left wing spin machine to kick into gear. What will the talking points be this time?

1. Blame Bush.
2.Talk about Republicans pushing deregulation and blame Reagan.
3. 0bama inherited a much bigger mess than anyone thought.
4. National healthcare and cap-and-trade will fix everything.
5. Legalize marijuana and tax it.

That would be my guess

114 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:04:05am

re: #107 realwest

I'm fine, & chasing a job. I really should not read about employment figures though.

Hope you are doing well.

115 Lincolntf  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:04:23am

re: #94 soxfan4life

Yeah, in that matter the FBI was just as corrupt and criminal as any of the mobsters. My loathing of Bulger was fueled by his own corruption, not Whitey's.

116 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:04:33am

re: #100 Cannadian Club Akbar

President Hopeandchange's useful idiot will say the President warned us that unemployment was going to 10%. Then the word "inherited" will be spoken

Yeah, I bet that's the way they go.

117 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:04:51am

re: #112 3 wood
Why 3 wood, y'all ought to check out #111 by avanti!

118 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:04:56am

re: #99 Walter L. Newton

Don't worry, but the end of the summer, 14.5 million out of work Americans will be trained in how to apply weather stripping to windows and doors.

Then we just have to find a way to force people into paying for re-winterizing their homes.

Morning all, Hey Walter did you know part of this cap and tax bill has a provision that if you sell your home it first has to be brought up to Title 26 (high efficiency) standards? Yeah, even single pane windows will have to be changed out to dual pane, insulation in all the walls and ceiling, air tight duct work, air tight doors and outlets. Then the thing has to be entirely inspected by a licensed energy auditor and checked off before you can put it on the market..

119 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:05:39am

re: #100 Cannadian Club Akbar

President Hopeandchange's useful idiot will say the President warned us that unemployment was going to 10%. Then the word "inherited" will be spoken.

I thought the reason he ramrodded us with the Stimulus was to make 8% the high water mark.

120 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:06:06am

re: #96 realwest

Good morning Walter - I don't know if we can, avanti ususally shows up after 3 wood has left the building.

Er, that was sort of a rhetorical comment. I know what his comment will be, considering his past remarks on employment. He's going to say that job recovery is always 6 months behind economic recovery, which he has been saying for 2 months now, so he keeps moving the target.

Businesses are NOT going to invest money in new employees, especially if they have been overstaffed in the first place, which a lot of American businesses are.

Many companies, already over staffed, getting any stimulus money, is going to be careful, because the bottom line is the stock holders and high level officers are going to worry first about their jobs and salaries.

So, they will continue to cut jobs, trim the work force and make their business leaner. People are still going to suffer (although this may bode well way down the road in the future, a lean company is good).

But, in my opinion, from what I put together in my head, this trend of job loss will continue, stimulus money will be sat on and future plans and policies by the Obama administration will only embolden us to the soft-socialism that they are trying to ingrain in our lives.

121 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:06:12am

Gah! Some security guards should never be hired in the first place. Bunch of contractors in doing some needed work while every one is away on holiday. Extra guard in to watch them. Of course I catch him sawing logs when I go on patrol. Where do they find these guys anyway?

122 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:06:14am

Downloading Firefox 3.5 right now, with a bunch of tabs open. Living dangerously.

123 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:06:19am

re: #110 Lincolntf

The notion of the two foreign Presidents and the reps from the UN and OAS joining Zelaya on his return has debacle written all over it. I can't see it happening. I think Zelaya should cut his losses, use some of the money he's no doubt stolen/accepted as bribes throughout his career and set himself up for a nice, quiet retirement on some Caribbean island. He's only got 6 months left in his term anyway.

the never ending saga of Latin politics...you are exactly right...some typical alternatives are definately not good for despots...go write a book or fish

124 KenJen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:06:33am

re: #111 avanti

The bad news has to become less bad before it become good news. Jobs losses have to go down, before they become job increases.
Watch the market today, and especially tomorrow when the big job numbers come out.
I had just finished reading a optimistic report from my broker, and at the same time saw a guy on Fox talking about a depression. IMHO, you should do your homework if you are in the market and don't just trust one source.

Funny you say that. See my #104. I was being sarcastic.

125 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:06:42am

Hey Lizards, scroll down to "Death of a Civilization" and tell me what you think.

126 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:06:44am

re: #105 realwest

Do you know what the current rate of unemployment is (we'll skip the underemployment situation for now)?

Between 9.6% and 10%. The official number should be released within a day or two.

127 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:06:54am

re: #111 avanti

The bad news has to become less bad before it become good news.

You're fucking brilliant.

128 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:07:40am

Okay, here goes the "Restart Firefox Now". Let's see what happens.

129 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:07:44am

re: #126 3 wood

Between 9.6% and 10%. The official number should be released within a day or two.

What's the real number including the peoplel no longer eligible for benefits?

130 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:07:49am

re: #88 3 wood

Job losses mount:

Private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June: ADP

Prepare for the left wing spin machine to kick into gear. What will the talking points be this time?

Ignore both the right and left spin machines and watch the markets. The guys with the money on the line will vote with their dollars, not their political leanings. BTW, the slowing job losses are good news IMHO, but I'll watch the markets too.

131 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:07:57am

re: #118 turn

Morning all, Hey Walter did you know part of this cap and tax bill has a provision that if you sell your home it first has to be brought up to Title 26 (high efficiency) standards? Yeah, even single pane windows will have to be changed out to dual pane, insulation in all the walls and ceiling, air tight duct work, air tight doors and outlets. Then the thing has to be entirely inspected by a licensed energy auditor and checked off before you can put it on the market..

Bingo, 14.5 million new jobs, as soon as people figure some way to see homes that have halved in value. Yep, that's the ticket.

132 Lincolntf  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:08:29am

re: #119 soxfan4life

It was.
Obama's lie that the only way to keep unemployment from reaching 8% was to ram through his stimulus package (unread) will never, ever be brought up by the MSM, but it's in the historical record for everyone to see.

133 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:08:30am

I tell kids are rebelling young and younger these days.

Getting dressed this morning, I say "And you leave those socks on!"
She looks at me and says "PHFFFFFBBBBBT!" whips the sock off and waves it around like a trophy.

What can you do with a 8 month old?

134 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:08:30am

re: #111 avanti

The bad news has to become less bad before it become good news. Jobs losses have to go down, before they become job increases.
Watch the market today, and especially tomorrow when the big job numbers come out.
I had just finished reading a optimistic report from my broker, and at the same time saw a guy on Fox talking about a depression. IMHO, you should do your homework if you are in the market and don't just trust one source.

If it is all the same to you, Avanti, I'll continue to scan your posts for informative and entertaining news regarding Studebakers and Packards.

Economic news, not so much.

135 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:08:48am

re: #130 avanti

You're actually preaching to 3 wood?

136 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:09:03am

re: #106 Mich-again

67 and breezy here and the AC is in Off mode. The clouds have blotted out the sun for days. Is it still up there?

It's been off/on around here, sun peeks out, clouds take over, rain falls, sun comes back... we're due for a potential storm here later today (and judging from the humidity, it's gonna happen) but I'm ok w/ that, because I have some tomatoes and zucchini, which will happily soak in the rain.

I'm so glad I got my green thumb back!

137 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:09:25am

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

Bingo, 14.5 million new jobs, as soon as people figure some way to see homes that have halved in value. Yep, that's the ticket.

No really you have to spend money in order to sell your home which you will lose money on, makes perfect sense.No wonder we are where we are today.///////

138 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:09:29am

re: #117 realwest

Waste of time.

139 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:09:59am

It's officially Obama's economy now.White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs yesterday on MSNBC, on when the public can judge the success of the stimulus: "I think we should begin to judge it now."

140 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:10:26am

re: #54 Pianobuff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubifex_tubifex seems to be the consensus of the web hits about this vid. They are clustered together in the video in their cyst like state and stimulating them makes them all react together resulting in the muscle like movement.

Ick anyway.

141 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:10:33am

Well, I updated to 3.5 this AM, and it wasn't exactly smooth sailing. It wouldn't reinitialize after rebooting, so I reinstalled a second time. That seemed to do the trick, and it now runs a lot faster in getting pages loaded. We'll see if the rest of the bugs have been squashed - and whether it doesn't become the memory hog that prior versions were known for.

142 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:10:45am

re: #118 turn But, but, but.........what about people who can no longer afford to keep their homes (perhaps due to one or more of the "breadwinners" becoming unemployed) - how can they afford to do all that work? And if they can't sell their homes then they literally go bankrupt. And if they can eek out the money to do all that work, how are buyers supposed to be able to pay the price for the home (which will obviously be higher due to the "improvements" made by the homeowner)?

143 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:10:52am

re: #124 KenJen

Funny you say that. See my #104. I was being sarcastic.

Oh snap, my secret identity has been revealed. :) Trust me, the markets will give us the no spin tale.

144 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:10:52am

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

Bingo, 14.5 million new jobs, as soon as people figure some way to see homes that have halved in value. Yep, that's the ticket.

I imagine some of them will actually become essentially worthless in that the improvements would cost more than the value of the home.

145 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:10:53am

re: #133 jcm

I tell kids are rebelling young and younger these days.

Getting dressed this morning, I say "And you leave those socks on!"
She looks at me and says "PHFFFFFBBBBBT!" whips the sock off and waves it around like a trophy.

What can you do with a 8 month old?

I'm told duct tape can fix just about anything...

/////seriously, do I really have to?

146 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:11:35am

re: #139 jcm

It's officially Obama's economy now.White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs yesterday on MSNBC, on when the public can judge the success of the stimulus: "I think we should begin to judge it now."

Coming soon FCBBHO saying that is not the Robert Gibbs I know, while showing him the door and assuring us that his plans are still pointing us in the right direction.

147 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:11:47am

re: #129 soxfan4life

What's the real number including the peoplel no longer eligible for benefits?

Well they fall out of the numbers, so it's hard to tell.

Between those out of benefits and the "underemployed" we are looking at numbers in the 20% range.

148 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:12:33am

re: #99 Walter L. Newton

Don't worry, but the end of the summer, 14.5 million out of work Americans will be trained in how to apply weather stripping to windows and doors.

Then we just have to find a way to force people into paying for re-winterizing their homes.

Or move to some place where they don't have winter, like Costa Rica.

149 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:12:45am

re: #120 Walter L. Newton
Yeah, I knew that it was a rhetorical comment; just playing around this morning is all.
But SERIOUSLY how are you doing? Well, I hope. How soon do you anticipate moving because of the GF?

150 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:12:54am

re: #111 avanti

The bad news has to become less bad before it become good news. Jobs losses have to go down, before they become job increases.
Watch the market today, and especially tomorrow when the big job numbers come out.
I had just finished reading a optimistic report from my broker, and at the same time saw a guy on Fox talking about a depression. IMHO, you should do your homework if you are in the market and don't just trust one source.

60 (D) votes in the Senate.

Wait till Crap-n-Fraud kids in.

151 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:13:41am

re: #141 lawhawk

Well, I updated to 3.5 this AM, and it wasn't exactly smooth sailing. It wouldn't reinitialize after rebooting, so I reinstalled a second time. That seemed to do the trick, and it now runs a lot faster in getting pages loaded. We'll see if the rest of the bugs have been squashed - and whether it doesn't become the memory hog that prior versions were known for.

Mine's up and running; the only fallout was that Refreshblocker is not compatible with 3.5. I'm running on Windows 7 Build 7229.

152 Lincolntf  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:13:51am

re: #139 jcm

Apparently the morning conference call with all of the Obama activists at the networks resulted in them deciding that today was the day to start pretending the economy was being fixed. If Gibbs says "today is the day to begin" you can be sure that the Government media will report exactly that.

153 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:14:03am

re: #139 jcm

It's officially Obama's economy now.White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs yesterday on MSNBC, on when the public can judge the success of the stimulus: "I think we should begin to judge it now."

I think he's right. Smokes in Florida went up $1 a pack today. Went to Wal Mart and my smokes, name brand, were only $2.57. Marlboro Reds were $6. So it is working. OR, the manager fucked up and didn't change price in the computer. Suckers.

154 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:14:26am

re: #134 razorbacker

If it is all the same to you, Avanti, I'll continue to scan your posts for informative and entertaining news regarding Studebakers and Packards.

Economic news, not so much.

That would be my recommendation, no one should manage their investments based on a political blog.

155 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:14:42am

re: #152 Lincolntf

Apparently the morning conference call with all of the Obama activists at the networks resulted in them deciding that today was the day to start pretending the economy was being fixed. If Gibbs says "today is the day to begin" you can be sure that the Government media will report exactly that.

With Stephanopoulos leading the charge.

156 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:15:01am

re: #133 jcm

I tell kids are rebelling young and younger these days.

Getting dressed this morning, I say "And you leave those socks on!"
She looks at me and says "PHFFFFFBBBBBT!" whips the sock off and waves it around like a trophy.

What can you do with a 8 month old?

Gently place torso and head under arm and replace socks. Repeat until one of you is too tired to fight.

157 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:15:06am

re: #142 realwest

Morning real, I hear ya. This makes a lot of sense doesn't it, step over dollars to pick up pennies. I was reading a few articles about this cap and tax bill, it is absolutely LOADED with pork barrel projects that were stuck in at the last minute to garner votes. What a friggin fiasco.

158 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:15:12am

re: #93 albusteve

to coupe or not to coupe?...Honduras tells OAS to pound sand....from Hot Air

[Link: hotair.com...]

I agree with HotAir's analysis. The coup may not have been the right way to remove Zelaya, but a) it's now a fait accompli, b) Zelaya was himself trampling on the Honduran Constitution, and c) the proposed solution being pushed by the OAS and, implicitly, Obama's State Dept. is simply bizarre. The Honduran legislature and judiciary clearly don't want him there. Are we going to force him to be reinstalled?

This would be a fine time for Obama to follow that "no meddling" policy he likes to talk about so much.

159 DeerMusic  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:15:16am

re: #152 Lincolntf

I updated to 3.5 this morning and have had two 'program not responding' failures in the first ten minutes since.

160 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:15:37am

re: #150 jcm

60 (D) votes in the Senate.

Wait till Crap-n-Fraud kids in.

Kills me to have to count on blue dogs and Specter for our financial well being.Some Senators are hearing from constituents that Cap-n-trade is not so popular so hopefully they fall back to self-preservation mode and let FCBBHO fail on Cap-n-trade.

161 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:15:51am

re: #154 avanti

That would be my recommendation, no one should manage their investments based on a political blog.

that's not what he said....you are an oily sort

162 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:15:56am

re: #155 Ward Cleaver

With Stephanopoulos leading the charge.

I read that as Snuffleupagus at first. That made it all the more amusing.

163 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:16:08am

re: #130 avanti

Ignore both the right and left spin machines and watch the markets. The guys with the money on the line will vote with their dollars, not their political leanings. BTW, the slowing job losses are good news IMHO, but I'll watch the markets too.

I professionally managed several large fiduciary funds for over 20 years before I retired. For the last 5 years that I did that, one of my funds averaged a 28% rate of return every year.

I think I understand how to read the markets.

Thank you kindly for the advice though.

164 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:16:34am

re: #139 jcm Good morning jcm - wonder if Gibbs has his resume ready to go!

165 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:16:40am

re: #139 jcm

It's officially Obama's economy now.White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs yesterday on MSNBC, on when the public can judge the success of the stimulus: "I think we should begin to judge it now."

Okay, since we're judging the economy as of now. It sucks. He's given himself six months to realize he's the guy whose pay grade is responsible for everything - and has to take credit/responsibility for the economy, national security, foreign policy, etc.

Unemployment continues rising, and the porkfest has done nothing to mitigate the rising rates. Double digit unemployment is around the corner - in some places more than double what the average rates were during Bush's tenure. Yeah, take responsibility for that. The Blame Bush parade has run thin, since Obama's policy choices are showing just how inept he is in dealing with major issues of the day.

166 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:16:47am

re: #148 Ward Cleaver

Or move to some place where they don't have winter, like Costa Rica.

As the song goes:

Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker
You can drink all the liquor in Costa Rica
Ain't nobodys business but my own.

167 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:17:04am

re: #163 3 wood

No, you only thought you knew how to read markets. Silly you./////////

168 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:17:05am

re: #149 realwest

Yeah, I knew that it was a rhetorical comment; just playing around this morning is all.
But SERIOUSLY how are you doing? Well, I hope. How soon do you anticipate moving because of the GF?

I will be out of my apartment in Golden by July 31st. But, it could happen sooner, almost all of the "little" stuff is already moved, and all I have left here is a few bookshelfs, a sofa, a large bed and my computer set up.

I will still have internet access (Qwest DSL this time, instead of Comcast cable). My web site and email address will change, I will update everything in my profile at the end of the month, with new contact information.

169 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:17:14am

re: #156 DaddyG

Gently place torso and head under arm and replace socks. Repeat until one of you is too tired to fight.

My money is on the 8 month old. :)

170 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:17:59am

re: #163 3 wood

I professionally managed several large fiduciary funds for over 20 years before I retired. For the last 5 years that I did that, one of my funds averaged a 28% rate of return every year.

I think I understand how to read the markets.

Thank you kindly for the advice though.

Ouch!

Next up: Avanti lectures realwest on jungle warfare tactics.

171 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:18:33am
172 DeerMusic  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:18:42am

Robert Gibbs is in serious need of an UMECTOMY. I can't remember ever hearing so poor a speaker.

173 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:12am

re: #163 3 wood

I professionally managed several large fiduciary funds for over 20 years before I retired. For the last 5 years that I did that, one of my funds averaged a 28% rate of return every year.

I think I understand how to read the markets.

Thank you kindly for the advice though.

Nicest "STFU" I've ever seen.

174 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:24am

re: #172 DeerMusic

Robert Gibbs is in serious need of an UMECTOMY. I can't remember ever hearing so poor a speaker.

Just take the teleprompter away from BHO.

175 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:26am

re: #165 lawhawk

inept


Along with congress

Down with them all, and the civilian financial "leadership" as well. Regular good people are hurting through no fault of their own.

176 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:28am

re: #163 3 wood

whoa, 28%. That's something to be proud of for sure 3w, you tell him.

177 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:38am

re: #169 BlueCanuck

My money is on the 8 month old. :)

Smart money!

I will let my future grandchildren (none in the pipeline but we're estimating some will arrive in 5-10 years) run around helf naked and eat all the sugar they want. Let mom and dad deprogram them when they get home.

178 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:41am

re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think he's right. Smokes in Florida went up $1 a pack today. Went to Wal Mart and my smokes, name brand, were only $2.57. Marlboro Reds were $6. So it is working. OR, the manager fucked up and didn't change price in the computer. Suckers.

NJ imposed its tax hikes today (corp, pers, tobacco and liquor/wine), and a bunch of states around the country are looking at the new fiscal year without a budget in place because they can't agree on spending plans (tax and spend rears its ugly head). Worst situation remains in California.

179 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:44am

re: #172 DeerMusic

Robert Gibbs is in serious need of an UMECTOMY. I can't remember ever hearing so poor a speaker.

Well, there's his boss... (aka The Wizard of Uhhhhs)

180 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:48am

re: #158 Occasional Reader

I agree with HotAir's analysis. The coup may not have been the right way to remove Zelaya, but a) it's now a fait accompli, b) Zelaya was himself trampling on the Honduran Constitution, and c) the proposed solution being pushed by the OAS and, implicitly, Obama's State Dept. is simply bizarre. The Honduran legislature and judiciary clearly don't want him there. Are we going to force him to be reinstalled?

This would be a fine time for Obama to follow that "no meddling" policy he likes to talk about so much.

Wow, someone who understands what's going on? Yes, the media is not reporting this correctly. My girlfriend had to point me to looking into what is really happening, and guess what, the president was farting on the Honduran Constitution, period, the SAME way Chavez has been trying to do that.

181 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:53am

re: #135 MandyManners

You're actually preaching to 3 wood?

I hope not, if I'm coming across as preaching, I apologize. I thought I was just replying.

182 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:20:19am

re: #156 DaddyG

Gently place torso and head under arm and replace socks. Repeat until one of you is too tired to fight.

LOL, her main form of communication right know is PHFFFFFBBBBBT! She a real happy little critter with big blue eyes and blond hair that stands straight up.

I'm shopping with her, she smiling at every one. When someone says hi to her she responds with a big PHFFFFFBBBBBT!

183 Pianobuff  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:20:19am

re: #140 DaddyG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubifex_tubifex seems to be the consensus of the web hits about this vid. They are clustered together in the video in their cyst like state and stimulating them makes them all react together resulting in the muscle like movement.

Ick anyway.

Thanks for the link. No Lo Mein for lunch today.

184 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:20:27am

re: #157 turn

Morning real, I hear ya. This makes a lot of sense doesn't it, step over dollars to pick up pennies. I was reading a few articles about this cap and tax bill, it is absolutely LOADED with pork barrel projects that were stuck in at the last minute to garner votes. What a friggin fiasco.

Well what do you expect with a 1200 page bill that was amened by Henry Waxman with a 300 page amendment at 3:09 AM on the day the House was to vote on it?
See, e.g., Stimulus Bill.

185 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:20:41am

re: #137 soxfan4life

No really you have to spend money in order to sell your home which you will lose money on, makes perfect sense.No wonder we are where we are today.///////

there won't be many houses flipping.

186 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:20:48am

re: #170 Occasional Reader

Ouch!

Next up: Avanti lectures realwest on jungle warfare tactics.

Actually, I'd be interested in hearing Avanti's views on the mysteries of swapping Studebaker 289 engines for FoMoCo 289 engines.

If you save the Stude 289 to reinstall once you're though playing, it is actually a pretty elegant workaround.

187 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:21:09am

re: #177 DaddyG

Smart money!

I will let my future grandchildren (none in the pipeline but we're estimating some will arrive in 5-10 years) run around helf naked and eat all the sugar they want. Let mom and dad deprogram them when they get home.

I've done that with my nephews before, as payback for my sister marrying my G.I. Joe to her Barbie when I was a kid.

There's just some things you just don't do!

188 deermusic  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:21:22am

re: #174 soxfan4life

Just take the teleprompter away from BHO.

Touche!

189 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:21:40am

re: #88 3 wood

Job losses mount:

Private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June: ADP

Prepare for the left wing spin machine to kick into gear. What will the talking points be this time?

they will out right lie. and are already doing so. i was listening to rush yesterday and it is journalistic malpractice w/ reporters saying b.s. like: people are enjoying their 'new frugality', that job losses are slowing, and that the stock mkt. has leveled off.
he also talked abt. the 372 u.s. cities that the labor dept. tracks. all have had an increase in unemployment.
and the state run media is lying abt. how good we have it.
in fact they are trying to convince us that it is fun to be poor.

190 looking closely  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:21:44am

Loaded it this AM, and am using it now.

Its MUCH faster to load.

That's good.

191 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:21:55am

re: #163 3 wood

I professionally managed several large fiduciary funds for over 20 years before I retired. For the last 5 years that I did that, one of my funds averaged a 28% rate of return every year.

I think I understand how to read the markets.

Thank you kindly for the advice though.

Pfft!
Amateur!

How many communities have you organized?

;-P

192 KenJen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:22:32am

re: #189 nyc redneck

That is the master plan I think.

193 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:22:36am

re: #184 realwest

Well what do you expect with a 1200 page bill that was amened by Henry Waxman with a 300 page amendment at 3:09 AM on the day the House was to vote on it?
See, e.g., Stimulus Bill.

Who (or what organization) actually wrote this bill?

194 soxfan4life  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:22:43am

re: #185 Eowyn2

there won't be many houses flipping.

What about people relocating for work? I wonder if there will be any provisions for soldiers who get PCS orders and have limited time and not a ton of money to do this type of BS. Not that Democrats give a shit about soldiers, sailors or airmen.

195 deermusic  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:22:47am

re: #179 Occasional Reader

Well, there's his boss... (aka The Wizard of Uhhhhs)

So, do we think BHO gave Gibbs lessons?

196 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:22:58am

re: #189 nyc redneck

I love my new frugality

/10

197 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:23:20am

re: #168 Walter L. Newton
Hey that's great news Walter - I'm very happy for you!

198 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:23:22am

re: #103 ErnieG

I've been using Firefox 3.5 (beta) for over a month now with no problems. The NoScript plugin is particularly useful when going to new sites, as it blocks annoying jumps to new pages that can evade the normal popup blocker.

I'll switch to 3.5 soon, but I still haven't switched to IE8 - I installed in on an older machine I don't use much, and my tests show one IE-specific site crashes IE8.

I love NoScript, but I wouldn't recommend it to someone who doesn't know much about computers, as it can be frustrating trying to get a page to work without turning on ads and other bad scripts. But it makes browsing much more pleasant and faster.

199 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:23:38am

re: #187 MrSilverDragon

as payback for my sister marrying my G.I. Joe to her Barbie when I was a kid.

"Release me from your Kung Fu Grip!"

-Kathleen Turner voiceover, The Simpsons

200 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:25:05am

re: #173 MandyManners

Very kind of you to say that, thank you.

201 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:25:17am

re: #184 realwest

Well what do you expect with a 1200 page bill that was amened by Henry Waxman with a 300 page amendment at 3:09 AM on the day the House was to vote on it?
See, e.g., Stimulus Bill.

No kidding, the rep from Ohio held out to the last minute and they gave her 3.5 bil for a vote. This is a piece of legislation Waxman can really be proud of - spit. (that guy sure is is but ugly - ewww)

202 gershon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:25:23am

I lost Sage in the process; hope it comes back soon.

203 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:25:36am

re: #189 nyc redneck

people are enjoying their 'new frugality'

I love it. People out of work during a GOP administration are impoverished. People out of work during the Era of The One are enjoying their new frugality.

204 Pianobuff  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:26:05am

re: #189 nyc redneck

they will out right lie. and are already doing so. i was listening to rush yesterday and it is journalistic malpractice w/ reporters saying b.s. like: people are enjoying their 'new frugality', that job losses are slowing, and that the stock mkt. has leveled off.
he also talked abt. the 372 u.s. cities that the labor dept. tracks. all have had an increase in unemployment.
and the state run media is lying abt. how good we have it.
in fact they are trying to convince us that it is fun to be poor.

Have you seen this from around a month ago in the LA Times?

For the 'funemployed,' unemployment is welcome

Yup, that's right it's funemployment.... wheee!

205 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:27:02am

re: #200 3 wood

Very kind of you to say that, thank you.

You're welcome.

206 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:27:03am

re: #189 nyc redneck

they will out right lie. and are already doing so. i was listening to rush yesterday and it is journalistic malpractice w/ reporters saying b.s. like: people are enjoying their 'new frugality', that job losses are slowing, and that the stock mkt. has leveled off.
he also talked abt. the 372 u.s. cities that the labor dept. tracks. all have had an increase in unemployment.
and the state run media is lying abt. how good we have it.
in fact they are trying to convince us that it is fun to be poor.

The State of Colorado is about 350 million under budget, even with the stimulus money (what ever, where ever it was given to us, for I don't know what). A few months ago, the state said it was going to be able to make budget.

Unless I am missing something, I keep hearing how things should be so "good" but down here on the street, in the states and local governments, I don't see improvements, I don't see it turing around.

I guess, paraphrasing Avanti about the job market, the economic recovery is always 6 months behind the economy. And you just keep extrapolating that out 6 more months as every new month passes. It all works out.

207 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:27:22am

re: #204 Pianobuff

Have you seen this from around a month ago in the LA Times?

For the 'funemployed,' unemployment is welcome

Yup, that's right it's funemployment.... wheee!

The person who came up with that term needs to be flogged severely.

208 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:27:41am

re: #118 turn

Morning all, Hey Walter did you know part of this cap and tax bill has a provision that if you sell your home it first has to be brought up to Title 26 (high efficiency) standards? Yeah, even single pane windows will have to be changed out to dual pane, insulation in all the walls and ceiling, air tight duct work, air tight doors and outlets. Then the thing has to be entirely inspected by a licensed energy auditor and checked off before you can put it on the market..

This will aid the construction market as older houses start burning down because bringing them up to spec will cost more than they'll sell for.
And historic houses will be white elephants. Can't renovate them, and can't sell them.

209 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:27:42am

re: #170 Occasional Reader

Ouch!

Next up: Avanti lectures realwest on jungle warfare tactics.


LOL! Good morning O.R. - uh, I don't necessarily have a bone to pick with you, but I thought the Honduran Presdient was forcibly removed from office by the military on the order of the Honduran Supreme Court and was immediately replaced by the democratically elected head of the Honduran Congress. So how is that a coup, as opposed to following the rule of law in Honduras? Or is there news out there that I somehow managed to miss while trying to decide which meds I can do without for the rest of the year, now that mom and I are in the medicare "gap"?

210 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:28:00am

re: #203 Occasional Reader

I love it. People out of work during a GOP administration are impoverished. People out of work during the Era of The One are enjoying their new frugality.

I bet there are suddenly far fewer homeless people, too.

211 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:29:03am

re: #135 MandyManners

You're actually preaching to 3 wood?

thats not the 3 wood I knew

212 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:29:04am

re: #208 Kosh's Shadow

This will aid the construction market as older houses start burning down because bringing them up to spec will cost more than they'll sell for.
And historic houses will be white elephants. Can't renovate them, and can't sell them.

It will aid a lot of industries but will end up screwing the home owner.

213 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:29:08am

Another sign that NJ Gov. Corzine is in trouble? President Obama is doing a fundraiser for the billionaire governor July 16.

They're calling it a rally, but it is a fundraiser. Obama hopes that his popularity will rub off on Corzine.

Yeah, that'll really work.

Obama's going to find that his coattails aren't nearly as long as he thinks them to be.

214 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:29:09am

re: #210 MandyManners

I bet there are suddenly far fewer homeless people, too.

Persons with non-traditional housing......

215 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:29:30am

re: #187 MrSilverDragon

I've done that with my nephews before, as payback for my sister marrying my G.I. Joe to her Barbie when I was a kid.

There's just some things you just don't do!

LOL! My brother never forgave me either!

216 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:29:31am

re: #210 MandyManners

I bet there are suddenly far fewer homeless people, too.

Not where I'm from... I'm seeing a whole lot more panhandlers around today than I did last year. They're getting more aggressive, too. :/

217 saberry0530  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:30:08am

re: #214 jcm

Persons with non-traditional housing......

THought that was the "Back to Nature "crowd

218 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:30:32am

re: #209 realwest

but I thought the Honduran Presdient was forcibly removed from office by the military on the order of the Honduran Supreme Court and was immediately replaced by the democratically elected head of the Honduran Congress

That's all true, but the Supreme Court does not have the authority to remove the president under the Honduran Constitution (as far as I can tell). All the right branches of government were involved, but in the wrong order, so to speak. So... "coup", "botched impeachment", whatever you want to call it, the point is, it's done, and the democratically elected representatives of the Honduran people have made it crystal clear they don't want Zelaya back.

219 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:30:52am

re: #163 3 wood

I professionally managed several large fiduciary funds for over 20 years before I retired. For the last 5 years that I did that, one of my funds averaged a 28% rate of return every year.

I think I understand how to read the markets.

Thank you kindly for the advice though.

Wood, sorry, I should have been clearer. My comment was simply my opinion, and I should have used the IMHO tag.
Don't be surprised if I still state one, but I won't advise you on the markets, and you stay away from old Studebaker restoration advice.

220 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:31:04am

re: #193 ggt

Who (or what organization) actually wrote this bill?


The Democrats wrote this bill. Henry Waxman was in charge of this hit job, iirc.

221 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:31:22am

re: #187 MrSilverDragon

I've done that with my nephews before, as payback for my sister marrying my G.I. Joe to her Barbie when I was a kid.

There's just some things you just don't do!

are you my brother?

222 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:31:42am

re: #204 Pianobuff

Have you seen this from around a month ago in the LA Times?

For the 'funemployed,' unemployment is welcome

Yup, that's right it's funemployment.... wheee!

Bullshit. For the last 5 years, I have managed financially, picking up a contract programming job here and there, and for the last 18 months, working at the theatre.

But, I have not spent the last 5 years working straight 5 days a week, 40 hours a day, month after month.

It's not "funemployed" for me at all. I feel semi-retired and I don't like it. Right now, I basically have 4 days a week off (although I have some theatre stuff I do from home, and a occasional event in the middle of the week, like a classical guitar concert tonight), but it doesn't feel right to me.

I want to work 5 days a week, at least 40 hours a day, just like everyone else. It's not so much the money right now (I've downsized) but the self-worth, and I don't feel busy enough.

223 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:32:19am

re: #210 MandyManners

I bet there are suddenly far fewer homeless people, too.

They decided to be people who chose to " get back in touch with nature before evil oil companies and coal plants pollute the pristine environment."
//

224 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:32:19am

re: #219 avanti

and you stay away from old Studebaker restoration advice.

Don't use Turtle Wax.

225 jaunte  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:32:26am

re: #209 realwest

Good morning Realwest; there is a lot of good detail on the Honduras story here:
Honduras: What was on the referendum ballots printed in Venezuela

226 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:32:46am

re: #203 Occasional Reader
Yeah, hey even Allstate Insurance is on board with this one!

227 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:33:05am

re: #210 MandyManners

I bet there are suddenly far fewer homeless people, too.

Now they are alternatively employed entrepreneurs with optional housing arrangements.

/B5 political officer "Well all those problems go away when you rewrite the dictionary". sever paraphrasing....

228 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:33:09am

By this time of the morning 20,000 soldiers were dead or dying and another 40,000 were wounded.

93 years go today.

We remember.

229 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:33:11am

re: #219 avanti

Wood, sorry, I should have been clearer. My comment was simply my opinion, and I should have used the IMHO tag.
Don't be surprised if I still state one, but I won't advise you on the markets, and you stay away from old Studebaker restoration advice.

When was the last time # Wood gave advice on Studebaker restoration? Straw man.

230 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:33:21am

re: #144 turn

I imagine some of them will actually become essentially worthless in that the improvements would cost more than the value of the home.

I expect the job prospects for arsonists will get hot.
Get the insurance money for something that can't be sold.
/no, I don't think it will be a good idea

231 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:33:27am

re: #176 turn

whoa, 28%. That's something to be proud of for sure 3w, you tell him.

One of my favorite trades was this:

I saw an opportunity for an anomaly to happen in the bond market due to technical reasons (which I deduced by reading the market accurately) where interest rates were going to jump and bond prices fall for a very short period of time, and I mean for only seconds.

So I talked to my broker layed out the deal and got him set. Sure enough, later that day the anomaly happened.

We bought and sold the securities as of the same day, actually in the span of time of about 2 minutes. The net profit after commissions was a little over $28,000 and the principal actually never left my account cause we settled as of the same day.

That is an infinite rate of return, my friend.

When it was all over, my broker told me that the window of opportunity to do the deal was only about 12 seconds.

232 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:33:41am

Here you go. This is the way to spruce-up the economy. Make everything a tourist site.

233 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:34:18am

re: #214 jcm

Persons with non-traditional housing......

Please diagram:
The non-traditionally housed man worked at the corner of 15th and Lexington.

234 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:34:42am

re: #216 MrSilverDragon

Not where I'm from... I'm seeing a whole lot more panhandlers around today than I did last year. They're getting more aggressive, too

But they now are invisible to the media, for some reason.

235 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:35:02am

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

I can say I've seen one example of "funemployment"; young lawyers at the law firm of Skadden, Arps, who were offered a one-year furlough, guaranteed (well, sorta guaranteed) return after than one year, and payment of $80,000 during that year, plus continued medical and other benefits, AND servicing of their student loans.

If you're, say, 27 years old with no mortgage and no kids, that's a damn fine deal. Travel around the world for a year, get paid eighty grand, take up your job again when you get back.

236 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:35:02am

re: #226 realwest
Crap, sorry O.R. hit post before I meant to! I mean Allstates' ads about how families are now learning that dinner at home followed by a game of somethingI'venever heard of before is more fun than dinner out and the movies; or it's a car is no longer a measure of how far you've come in life, but how well you're managing in difficult times.

237 Lincolntf  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:35:21am

re: #206 Walter L. Newton

This is how much money NC "received" from the stimulus: $6,089,387,000.

Six billion "free" dollars (over two years) in hand and the State University where my wife works just laid off 36 employees (inc. 16 faculty) on top of the .5% percent cut that every State employee took a couple months ago.
So where the hell is the money going?

238 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:35:34am

The Kid's not a puker but, when he does, he does it thoroughly.

239 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:35:38am

re: #234 3 wood

But they now are invisible to the media, for some reason.

It's those rose-tinted lenses, they must have gotten them in bulk.

/only 1/4 sarc

240 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:35:49am

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

Bullshit.
I want to work 5 days a week, at least 40 hours a day, just like everyone else. It's not so much the money right now (I've downsized) but the self-worth, and I don't feel busy enough.

If you start working 40 hours a day, we will never see you.

/

241 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:36:24am

re: #230 Kosh's Shadow

I expect the job prospects for arsonists will get hot.
Get the insurance money for something that can't be sold.
/no, I don't think it will be a good idea

I have an adobe home, I can't insulate it or burn it down. I'm so screwed. ha

242 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:36:41am

re: #98 MandyManners

Oh, joy. The Kid got up coughing and puking this morning. Poor guy.

{The Kid} Hope he feels better soon, Mandy.

243 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:36:47am

re: #236 realwest

Crap, sorry O.R. hit post before I meant to! I mean Allstates' ads about how families are now learning that dinner at home followed by a game of somethingI'venever heard of before is more fun than dinner out and the movies; or it's a car is no longer a measure of how far you've come in life, but how well you're managing in difficult times.

Ah, yes, seen that one... narrated by the guy who was the President in the first season of "24".

244 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:37:09am

re: #220 realwest

The Democrats wrote this bill. Henry Waxman was in charge of this hit job, iirc.

Which democrats, back by which special interest groups? Seriously, I'd like to know who actually drafted the bill.

245 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:37:09am

re: #241 turn

I have an adobe home, I can't insulate it or burn it down. I'm so screwed. ha

A gas leak can do wonders. :)

/plus a little bit of well placed high explosive.....

246 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:37:16am

re: #235 Occasional Reader

I can say I've seen one example of "funemployment"; young lawyers at the law firm of Skadden, Arps, who were offered a one-year furlough, guaranteed (well, sorta guaranteed) return after than one year, and payment of $80,000 during that year, plus continued medical and other benefits, AND servicing of their student loans.

If you're, say, 27 years old with no mortgage and no kids, that's a damn fine deal. Travel around the world for a year, get paid eighty grand, take up your job again when you get back.

Nope, wouldn't be for me. I would rather take a cut, and know that the firm needed my services, for what ever reason. I know, not reasonable, but that's me.

247 Mithrax  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:37:20am

re: #234 3 wood

But they now are invisible to the media, for some reason.

Plenty of wilful blindness when you're basking in the all encompassing light of The One!

248 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:37:26am

re: #241 turn

I have an adobe home, I can't insulate it or burn it down. I'm so screwed. ha

Can you fake an earthquake?

/

249 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:37:33am

re: #196 Ojoe

I love my new frugality

/10

it is newspeak from "1984."
i really resent anyone telling me to "enjoy my new frugality." if i decide to take a vow of poverty that's my choice but it is very sinister for the state run media to work it thru for me and decide i should be cheerful if i can't buy food or pay my mortgage. it must be the new patriotism, like paying more taxes. this is what is coming as o spreads our wealth around and grabs more power.

250 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:37:50am

re: #232 ggt

Here you go. This is the way to spruce-up the economy. Make everything a tourist site.


Come to Gary to see Michael's grave, but stay for the shootings.

251 opnion  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:38:13am

re: #209 realwest

LOL! Good morning O.R. - uh, I don't necessarily have a bone to pick with you, but I thought the Honduran Presdient was forcibly removed from office by the military on the order of the Honduran Supreme Court and was immediately replaced by the democratically elected head of the Honduran Congress. So how is that a coup, as opposed to following the rule of law in Honduras? Or is there news out there that I somehow managed to miss while trying to decide which meds I can do without for the rest of the year, now that mom and I are in the medicare "gap"?


Hi Real. It is not a coup as expected in banana republics.
The Court , Legislature & Army moved to defend the Constitution & nation from a Chavez type usurper. He wanted to rig a referendum that by law he could not call for.
Sorry about the meds.

252 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:38:15am

re: #231 3 wood

no shit - talk about timing. 28k in one day with nothing leveraged, good on ya.

253 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:38:40am

re: #237 Lincolntf

This is how much money NC "received" from the stimulus: $6,089,387,000.

Six billion "free" dollars (over two years) in hand and the State University where my wife works just laid off 36 employees (inc. 16 faculty) on top of the .5% percent cut that every State employee took a couple months ago.
So where the hell is the money going?

try this link...
[Link: economix.blogs.nytimes.com...]

254 Mithrax  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:38:40am

re: #248 Occasional Reader

Can you fake an earthquake?

/

I'll need about 10 chili dogs, lots of Frank's Red Hot and a side of baked beans.

255 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:39:08am

re: #237 Lincolntf

This is how much money NC "received" from the stimulus: $6,089,387,000.

Six billion "free" dollars (over two years) in hand and the State University where my wife works just laid off 36 employees (inc. 16 faculty) on top of the .5% percent cut that every State employee took a couple months ago.
So where the hell is the money going?

down the rabbit-hole.

256 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:39:13am

re: #231 3 wood

Clearly you're one of those evil SPECULATORS!

Someone get a rope!

/

257 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:39:38am

re: #254 Mithrax

I'll need about 10 chili dogs, lots of Frank's Red Hot and a side of baked beans.

BEER! Don't forget the beer.

258 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:39:40am

re: #212 turn

It will aid a lot of industries but will end up screwing the home owner.


Actually it WILL NOT aid a lot of industries as MOST folks who have to sell their homes will be unable to pay for those green Improvements. Instead it will further depress the real estate market (hurting buyers, sellers, brokers, mortgage brokers, lawyers, secretaries and paralegals at a minimum.
Course some of that "slack" will be picked up by folks involved in the bankruptcy business.

259 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:40:38am

re: #238 MandyManners

The Kid's not a puker but, when he does, he does it thoroughly.

Is he running a fever? Might be the flu. Wash your hands MM.

260 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:40:53am

re: #237 Lincolntf

This is how much money NC "received" from the stimulus: $6,089,387,000.

Six billion "free" dollars (over two years) in hand and the State University where my wife works just laid off 36 employees (inc. 16 faculty) on top of the .5% percent cut that every State employee took a couple months ago.
So where the hell is the money going?

I think I know where it is going. It gets into the pockets of the officers of a company or organization, maybe the high level managers, but the company will retain the status quo or less down in the trenches, and make due.

Contracting Firm A, who has been getting contracts from Satae City for years, is still going to get those contracts. But Firm A is not going to hire new employees, they are going to use the same number of construction workers that they have been using to service projects for years, these project never end, they just go on and on.

So, who benefits?

261 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:41:10am

re: #254 Mithrax

I'll need about 10 chili dogs, lots of Frank's Red Hot and a side of baked beans.

He said earthquake, not a biological attack!

262 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:41:52am

re: #218 Occasional Reader
"the democratically elected representatives of the Honduran people have made it crystal clear they don't want Zelaya back." [emphasis added realwest]
Ah, that explains why Hugo, Ortega and Obama are on Zelaya's side!

263 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:43:13am

re: #261 MrSilverDragon

He said earthquake, not a biological attack!

Well if it's declared a hazmat site, wouldn't that do the same?

264 ErnieG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:43:23am

re: #258 realwest

[snip]
...Course some of that "slack" will be picked up by folks involved in the bankruptcy business.

Your comment reminded me of something I have often wondered. If one is bankrupt and doesn't have any money, how do bankruptcy lawyers get paid?

265 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:43:46am

re: #219 avanti

Don't be surprised if I still state one, but I won't advise you on the markets, and you stay away from old Studebaker restoration advice.

Deal.

FWIW, before I retired I also helped edit the quarterly client market status letter for a certain brokerage firm cause, as the firms Senior VP once told me when he asked me to do it, I had the best grasp of macroeconomics of anybody he had ever seen.

I'm not saying that to brag, I'm saying it so you understand that I generally know what I'm talking about when it comes to economics and the markets. And I can spot misinformation a mile away.

If you doubt me, just ask realwest, he knows my background in real life.

266 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:43:50am

re: #245 BlueCanuck

A gas leak can do wonders. :)

/plus a little bit of well placed high explosive.....

The walls are 18 inches thick, a lot of high explosive might do it. I'll have to tell the story about how the guy who built my house made his own brick out of the soil in my back yard some day, I can't imagine all the work it took.

267 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:44:00am

re: #264 ErnieG

Your comment reminded me of something I have often wondered. If one is bankrupt and doesn't have any money, how do bankruptcy lawyers get paid?

First.

268 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:44:09am

re: #225 jaunte Good morning juante and thank you for that informative link!

269 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:44:57am

re: #252 turn

no shit - talk about timing. 28k in one day with nothing leveraged, good on ya.

I also set up the deal while I was golfing. Cell phone paid off big that day.

270 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:45:04am

The new frugality is the same as my old frugality - only now I have more worry for the future.

My credit score has tanked because I cancelled all of my major credit cards except the one I've still got a balance on and am trying to pay down. And my insurance company is slow to pay bills so I'm probably taking a hit with the medical providers.

I missed one payment on a store credit card due to the bill being lost (the 9 year old "helped" with the mail) and I they called the house morning noon and night until I was available. I Told them I'd already instructed my bank to pay twice the amount due. The rep then proceeded to grill me with questions about having problems paying my bill. I repeated, no my 9 year old lost the mail and you have your payment.

It seems everyone in the credit and utility business is hyper about getting paid but not so quick to pay their own bills. I don't like getting squeezed because I'm being responsible and make a rare mistake.

271 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:46:13am

re: #258 realwest

Actually it WILL NOT aid a lot of industries as MOST folks who have to sell their homes will be unable to pay for those green Improvements. Instead it will further depress the real estate market (hurting buyers, sellers, brokers, mortgage brokers, lawyers, secretaries and paralegals at a minimum.
Course some of that "slack" will be picked up by folks involved in the bankruptcy business.

Add the forced improvements to homes being sold to this little item.

Dozens of US cities may have entire neighbourhoods bulldozed as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.

This will "freeze" lower to middle income people in their homes. Being unable to upgrade to qualify for sale. When all the jobs move away, they'll be underwater, a valueless home they can't sell. No available jobs.

You'll have large segments of the population dependent on the government for everything.

272 jaunte  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:46:41am

re: #268 realwest

You're welcome! I'm still exploring some of the other links from Fausta's blog.
One is a piece at TNR, which makes this interesting point:

This underscores a harsh reality for Latin American believers in liberal constitutionalism. Deep down, only Presidential Power is considered real power in Latin America, which is why only moves against the president are considered actual coups. Our constitutions generally define all branches of government as equal, but it seems some are more equal than others.
[Link: blogs.tnr.com...]

Sounds familiar.

273 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:47:18am
274 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:47:29am

re: #270 DaddyG

The rep then proceeded to grill me with questions about having problems paying my bill

And after your initial, humorous reply of "I spent all my money on weapons, ammo, and detailed maps of credit card customer service call centers" didn't draw the expected chuckle...

275 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:48:19am

re: #248 Occasional Reader

Can you fake an earthquake?

/

Talking about earthquakes and my house ... It wasn't long after I moved in when Loma Prieta hit. The day before I had completely gutted the garage and painted it (it's adobe too). After the quake hit I went in and found out there were cracks radiating from every door and window opening. I keep telling myself they are only cosmetic - right. Well at any rate the house was built in 1940 so it's held up to some real shakers.

276 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:48:32am

re: #270 DaddyG

A few weeks ago I woke up one morning to find I had no running water in the house. I called the water company, and I'd been shut off. I guess I missed the bill. I payed up, they were really nice and waived all the late fees. At the end of the call they said "we can send a guy out to turn the water on again or you can just go out with a wrench and turn it on yourself." Portland is a strange city.

277 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:48:49am

re: #273 buzzsawmonkey

It's Turtle Wax all the way down!

I'm still waiting for some car company to come out with (let's say) the Audi Poetic. That way, I can spend the afternoon waxing Poetic.

278 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:48:57am

re: #235 Occasional Reader
I wish someone would pay me 80k for Working, let alone basking in the sun.

279 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:49:26am
280 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:49:54am

re: #265 3 wood

Deal.

FWIW, before I retired I also helped edit the quarterly client market status letter for a certain brokerage firm cause, as the firms Senior VP once told me when he asked me to do it, I had the best grasp of macroeconomics of anybody he had ever seen.

I'm not saying that to brag, I'm saying it so you understand that I generally know what I'm talking about when it comes to economics and the markets. And I can spot misinformation a mile away.

If you doubt me, just ask realwest, he knows my background in real life.

OK, now that I know your background, let me pick your brain and get back to my ordinal comment as a layman. My opinion was that the left and right will both spin the numbers to their side, but the market well tell us if the job loss news is perceived as good or bad. I know very little, so my comment might well be too simplistic.

281 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:51:20am

re: #212 turn

I have an older home in a historic district and I've been doing quite a bit of renovations and improvements since buying. Insulating the attic, new doors, etc., and I'm doing them because I know I can save money in the long run with the higher efficiencies of the insulation.

The green I'm seeing is $$$ in my pocket. That it may save the environment is a tertiary concern since the new doors and windows look great, and the insulation makes the home more comfortable.

In other words - the whole notion that the new energy policies will spur creation of green jobs is pure unadulterated nonsense.

People aren't going to do home improvements when they don't have the money to do them - no matter what kind of incentives are present.

I replaced a garage door last year and missed out on a tax credit, but I've saved money because it's an insulated door - and the house is more comfortable and it's more convenient than the old carriage style door that was previously there.

This year, I'm going to get the credit for the entry doors that we're replacing. That means I can get a higher quality door for the same price. I probably would have gone with a different brand, but the credit (and a sale by the manufacturer) enabled me to do the purchase.

With the home remodelers and contractors I've spoken with, they're seeing a slow market, and maybe a sign of improvement since people are less likely to go on vacation and are making their homes more livable. There's also more DYI on basic projects, so less contractor work.

The green jobs are a mirage - and that fact is going to undermine whatever case Obama tries making to get his energy policies enacted. And once they are - the jobs situation will slide further as still more jobs are lost and we cross into double digit unemployment rates.

Meanwhile, when will the media finally call out the Administration for the completely bogus use of "jobs created or saved"? There's no such statistic and it hides the fact that no such jobs are being created these days and the jobs saved can include Obama's own job along with the members of Congress not currently under indictment or pending investigations.

Obama's fiscal policy is showing itself to be nothing but smoke and mirrors. In fact, if there were ever a time to call out the name voodoo economics - this is the time.

There's nothing about this economic policy of this Administration that bodes well for the US economy.

282 ErnieG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:51:28am

re: #277 Occasional Reader

I'm still waiting for some car company to come out with (let's say) the Audi Poetic. That way, I can spend the afternoon waxing Poetic.

And if they came out with an Audi Wroth, if you were in a bad mood you could be waxing Wroth.

283 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:51:35am

re: #258 realwest

Actually it WILL NOT aid a lot of industries as MOST folks who have to sell their homes will be unable to pay for those green Improvements. Instead it will further depress the real estate market (hurting buyers, sellers, brokers, mortgage brokers, lawyers, secretaries and paralegals at a minimum.
Course some of that "slack" will be picked up by folks involved in the bankruptcy business.

I was talking about ins)ulation companies, energy engineers (which my neighbor happens to be, contractors, and construction supply companies to name a few. The down side you point out may offset the gains to the other industries, at any rate we can agree the home owner gets SCREWED!

284 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:51:50am

re: #237 Lincolntf

This is how much money NC "received" from the stimulus: $6,089,387,000.

Six billion "free" dollars (over two years) in hand and the State University where my wife works just laid off 36 employees (inc. 16 faculty) on top of the .5% percent cut that every State employee took a couple months ago.
So where the hell is the money going?

fact finding trips to Barbados, Cyprus, Hawaii, Puerto Rico
investigations int Carribean Cruise Line
Working with Argentinians to bring about peace in the world

285 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:53:05am
286 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:53:13am

re: #269 3 wood

ha you capitalist pig you
/

287 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:53:54am

re: #279 buzzsawmonkey

I can see the ad slogan now. "The Audi Poetic. You could do verse."

"A sonnet under the bonnet." (UK ad)

288 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:54:25am
289 Chicken Kiev  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:54:57am

re: #222 Walter L. Newton


It's not so much the money right now (I've downsized) but the self-worth, and I don't feel busy enough.

I too feel semi-retired, not by choice and decades before I ever planned to be in this situation. Work has simply dried up, ceased to exist.

A vast boredom will overtake this country and its populace -- too many people with too much time on our hands. What does history tell us happens under those circumstances? I don't actually know. War? Crime? Creativity?

I used to scramble and pitch my way into contract jobs. Now I don't even bother because I know they don't exist -- or, if they do exist, they are being given to younger cooler people.

290 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:55:06am

re: #288 buzzsawmonkey

If you refer to Obama's program as "voodoo economics," you know what epithet will be flung back at you.

Rhymes with "basest"?

291 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:55:43am

re: #271 jcm

Add the forced improvements to homes being sold to this little item.

Dozens of US cities may have entire neighbourhoods bulldozed as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.

This will "freeze" lower to middle income people in their homes. Being unable to upgrade to qualify for sale. When all the jobs move away, they'll be underwater, a valueless home they can't sell. No available jobs.

You'll have large segments of the population dependent on the government for everything.

Bulldozing entire communities because of population decline and economic decline is counterproductive since those communities could actually be affordable housing - real and measurable affordable housing - not the Congressionally imposed and government inflicted variety which has proven to be anything but affordable.

The states and localities need to understand that housing stocks are a commodity and low prices can entice people to come and live there if you make the tax policy more attractive statewide. Lower state and local tax rates. Make the tax rates more competitive. Encourage people to live in these areas and demand that the people who do come and live there invest and work locally. Encourage businesses to locate - by reducing tax rates statewide.

292 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:55:58am

re: #289 Chicken Kiev

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

I too feel semi-retired, not by choice and decades before I ever planned to be in this situation. Work has simply dried up, ceased to exist.

A vast boredom will overtake this country and its populace -- too many people with too much time on our hands. What does history tell us happens under those circumstances? I don't actually know. War? Crime? Creativity?

I used to scramble and pitch my way into contract jobs. Now I don't even bother because I know they don't exist -- or, if they do exist, they are being given to younger cooler people.

Bingo. You jumped into my brain and we are one.

293 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:56:17am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

A few weeks ago I woke up one morning to find I had no running water in the house. I called the water company, and I'd been shut off. I guess I missed the bill. I payed up, they were really nice and waived all the late fees. At the end of the call they said "we can send a guy out to turn the water on again or you can just go out with a wrench and turn it on yourself." Portland is a strange city.

In Mass, they have to give you a demand notice and more time (plus ask for extra money). One time, I paid the bill on time, but it was due the 20th instead of the 10th or something like that, because the person sending the bills got them out late. But the person processing the payments didn't know, and marked them as late. One call, and the person at the water district explained and corrected it.

Turning off our water might be interesting; our connection is from the pipe running from the underground tank in the hill behind our house to the main, not from the main itself, as I found out when they replaced the main but didn't need to give us a temporary connection. (They did have to give us 1/2 of our driveway repaved after digging it up, though; the pavers repaving the street did it.)

294 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:56:31am
295 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:56:44am

re: #279 buzzsawmonkey

I can see the ad slogan now. "The Audi Poetic. You could do verse."

The car would be colloquially know as the W.H. Audi.

296 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:57:14am

re: #277 Occasional Reader

I'm still waiting for some car company to come out with (let's say) the Audi Poetic. That way, I can spend the afternoon waxing Poetic.

I've thought of having a character in a story, a poet, called Bic Pentameter, just so he can exclaim "I am Bic Pentameter!"

297 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:57:24am
298 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:57:37am

re: #244 ggt Well I'm sorry ggt, the Democrats in the House didn't invite me to participate. All I DO know is that Waxman's committee - probably at the direction of the Wicked Witch of the West Pelosi, drafted the bill and the 300 page amendment.
And, since as far as I know no one other than the Dems, some Republicans and one or two pundits have had the time to read all 1200 pages and then go back and pen and ink in the changes by Waxman's 300 page amendment, I don't know who benefits from this. I do know that this push for enviromnemtal correctness is gonna cost all of us big time: you can't meet your carbon credit allowance? No problem Mr. Utility, pay us for Carbon Credits (us as in Government, hence another "tax" that isn't called a tax) and you can keep on keeping on. That the Utilities will, of necessity, have to pass this cost along to consumers means for most of us less heat in winter, less a/c in summer. Oh and the one thing I DO KNOW about the bill is that THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCE -alternative in the sense of free from fossil fuels- proven to work, NUCLEAR energy isn't even MENTIONED in the bill. This in spite of the fact that France gets something like 75% of it's national electric energy from nuclear power plants.
It's just another Scam - go follow the money - check out Warren Buffet (who is personally heavily invested in Wind and Solar enegery) who says the bill is a crock. Sorry, no link, heard him on some of the talkie parts of news shows.

299 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:58:50am

re: #281 lawhawk

Yes, Obama and the Democrat's policies are voodoo economics - and they're sticking the pins in the voodoo doll.

300 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:58:52am

re: #271 jcm

Add the forced improvements to homes being sold to this little item.

Dozens of US cities may have entire neighbourhoods bulldozed as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.

This will "freeze" lower to middle income people in their homes. Being unable to upgrade to qualify for sale. When all the jobs move away, they'll be underwater, a valueless home they can't sell. No available jobs.

You'll have large segments of the population dependent on the government for everything.

america has never been abt. "shrink to survive."
o's agenda is very demoralizing
we are going backwards. and will be paying more to do it.

301 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:59:48am
302 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:00:01am

re: #281 lawhawk

The green jobs are a mirage

Yes but its a GREEN mirage. Full of high paying GREEN jobs in the new GREEN economy.

/any (D)....

303 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:00:10am

re: #264 ErnieG
They get paid upfront.

304 jvic  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:01:13am

re: #163 3 wood

I professionally managed several large fiduciary funds for over 20 years before I retired. For the last 5 years that I did that, one of my funds averaged a 28% rate of return every year.

I am duly impressed.

If I may ask--you understandably may prefer not to answer--, what was the annualized standard deviation or the Sharpe ratio over those 5 years?

305 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:02:37am

News from Iran

RT @iranbaan Iran news paperfabricated a false news that Mohammad Khatami had secretly traveled from Tunisia to Cairo where he met Americans

RT @iranbaan The commander of police force announced: Arash Hejazi, eyewitness of Neda's death, has propagandized and is wanted by InterPol

RT @iranbaan General AhmadiMoghadam also claimed: Murder of Neda Aghasoltan is a scenario which is absolutely unrelated to recent "riots"

RT @iranbaan A correspondent from Shiraz revealed that during a random visit by Fars province governor and Shiraz Friday sermon cleric(cnt)
Rt @iranbaan (cntd) four ballot boxes were discovered there

RT @iranbaan A very good news: Ali Mosleh, journalist and film critic, has been released.

Mousavi statement - I've put it together from several tweet:
RT @iranbaan The 9th statement of Mousavi regarding affirmation of the results by the Guardian Council [Link: bit.ly...] #iranelection
Mousavi: From now on, we have a gov. whose legitimacy isn't recognized by the majority of people, myself included We're worried that this government due to its multitude of intrinsic and extrinsic weaknesses fall into the verge of granting advantage to foreigners
There is danger ahead, A establishment which relied on public trust for 30 years cannot replace security forces, in lieu of this reliance point. How can people trust a regime which imprisons its friends, colleagues and children solely because of its own illusions How can we ask people to spend their religious faith trusting us when they're being blatantly lied to? We came together, to reject inquiries into people's private affairs, to appal propagating hatred and conspiracy. It's our historic mission to continue our protest and not abandon retrieving people's rights It's our revolutionary responsibility to not let the blood of hundred thousands of martyrs degrades into a military and security based government and deteriorate The cheats and liars are only sheltering behind the law only purporting to impose their intentions. No opportunity to illuminate the extent of this big lie and its historic repercussions should be lost some of the elites will seek to protect the violated rights of people by releasing documents and taking legal actions #iranelection

and finally, to underscore the brutality:
A photo of a beating victim.
WARNING - the photo is graphic and very very disturbing.

306 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:02:54am

re: #286 turn

ha you capitalist pig you
/

I can't compete with those types of numbers, but occasionally make a great deal in my business. I once went to buy out a inventory of Studebaker parts that the owner had for sale at "best offer".
After spending a few hours doing a inventory, I decided there was 10K in fast selling parts, another 10 in slow moving items, so I settled on a 10K high offer.

I asked the owner what figure he had in mind and he just repeated the "Make me a offer" line. I said "That's hard to do, you might want a $100, you might want thousands" He said, $100 , no way, if I don't get at least $500, I'll sell it for scrap.

After writing his a check for $500, I saw him laughing with his employees in the office, so he must have been happy with the deal.

307 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:03:03am

re: #281 lawhawk

Thanks, I feel so much better now LH.
/
What a gloomy report! So NY has a program where you get energy rebates if you upgrade to higher efficiency, can't blame you for taking advantage of that and in the process upgrading your home. I agree that on balance this is a no win bill (green jobs are a myth) but I still think there is money to be made by some industries, all at the taxpayers expense which is a bad thing.

308 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:04:19am

re: #271 jcm

The city is buying up houses in more affluent areas to offer people in neighbourhoods it wants to demolish. Nobody will be forced to move, said Mr Kildee.

redistribution of wealth program

309 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:04:46am

re: #305 reine.de.tout

News from Iran


and finally, to underscore the brutality:
A photo of a beating victim.
WARNING - the photo is graphic and very very disturbing.

Oh dear lord...

310 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:05:13am

re: #291 lawhawk

My area is an older neighborhood built slowly out of farm land. Lot size slowly shrinking when I bought it was R4 (4 lots per acre) it's now R12. When homes sell they are invariable torn down and 4 or more townhomes pop up.

But what is killing a lot of people is sidewalks.

The neighborhood doesn't have sidewalks. New construction is required to put in sidewalks. But also any upgrades or modifications to existing homes you are required to put in a sidewalk. You can't just do it yourself, I'm perfectly capable of doing it to spec. You have to use city approved and recommended contractors. Average cost for a typical lot in our neighborhood is $25,000.

So when a family wants to upgrade a kitchen or bath they also have to plan on the $25,000 for the sidewalk.

Folks give up and move, or don't upgrade.

311 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:05:21am

re: #283 turn Oh I know exactly whom you were talking about - window manufacturers, installers, insulation and etc. but of course most folks don't have that kind of cash just laying around and if they need to sell their homes, they won't be able to afford to fix em and that means they can't sell 'em and that means foreclousure and probably bankruptcy. That was the intention of the bill, btw.

312 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:06:28am

re: #295 Occasional Reader

The car would be colloquially know as the W.H. Audi.

Would it have a diesel engine built by e. e. cummings

313 KenJen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:06:36am

re: #305 reine.de.tout

Horrible. Gave me chills.

314 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:06:42am

re: #283 turn

I was talking about ins)ulation companies, energy engineers (which my neighbor happens to be, contractors, and construction supply companies to name a few. The down side you point out may offset the gains to the other industries, at any rate we can agree the home owner gets SCREWED!

my prediction:
No more do-it-yourself, blowing in insulation. AFLCIO contractor will have to do it. etc etc etc

315 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:06:43am

re: #306 avanti

Fair market value is a willing buyer and a willing seller ...

316 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:07:31am
317 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:08:36am

re: #305 reine.de.tout

News from Iran


and finally, to underscore the brutality:
A photo of a beating victim.
WARNING - the photo is graphic and very very disturbing.

Wow. Yes. Yes it is.

318 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:08:58am

re: #309 scottishbuzzsaw

Oh dear lord...

there are just no words, are there?

319 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:09:40am

re: #288 buzzsawmonkey

If you refer to Obama's program as "voodoo economics," you know what epithet will be flung back at you.


Hey there buzz - how are you?
As for what epithet will be flung back at you, I don't really give a shit. Period.
The DEMOCRATS NOW OWN OUR COUNTRY AND IT'S FUTURE. WHATEVER HAPPENS, FOR BETTER (I PRAY) OR WORSE (I FEAR) IS ON THE DEMOCRATS, 100%.

I don't want to hear that President Obama inherited this mess from President Bush. President Bush didn't OWN the Banking Industry, or the Financial Services Industry, or the Automobile Industry, or the Utilities/Energy Industry. Unemployment was under 7% under President Bush. It will be double digit unemployment by Labor Day. That is ALL on THE DEMOCRATS. Those were all bought by the DEMOCRATS and will be paid for with our GREAT GRANDCHILDRENS' MONEY since there can never be enough TAX REVENUES to PAY FOR ALL OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROJECTS AND DEMOCRATIC OWNED INDUSTRIES UNLESS WE PUT AMERICANS BACK TO WORK. AND MAYBE NOT EVEN THEN.

AND AS FAR AS CAP AND TRADE GOES, the simple fact is the words "NUCLEAR ENERGY" don't appear in the 1200 page bill or the 300 page amendment dumped on the House of Representatives at 3:09 AM the day of the vote by Congressman Henry Waxman. And, strangely enough, NUCLEAR ENERGY is SO FAR, the ONLY ALTERNATIVE TO FOSSIL FUEL ENERGY WHICH HAS BEEN PROVEN TO WORK TO GENERATE LARGE AMOUNTS OF ELECTRICAL ENERGY isn't mentioned in the bill or the amendment to the bill. FRANCE generates OVER 75% of it's national electrical energy requirments by NUCLEAR ENERGY. And the two largest polluters on the planet, China and India are exempt under the Kyoto Accords. So the United States must bear the burden of trying to stop Global Warming/Climate Change? I don't think so. What will happen, what THE DEMOCRATS HAVE DESIGNED TO HAPPEN is that since there will be a lack of alternative engergy for US Industry (even if Government Owned), those industries will have to PURCHASE CARBON CREDITS to get the energy they need. Homeowners and renters will have to pay HIGHER Utility bills because the Utility Companies will pass along the expense of buying Carbon Credits to the Consumers.

And NOW, the DEMOCRATS want to OWN THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY.

And the troubling fact is that, IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IT HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING AS EFFICIENTLY OR AS INEXPENSIVELY AS PRIVATE INDUSTRY.

320 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:09:44am

re: #318 reine.de.tout

there are just no words, are there?

No. {reine}

321 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:09:49am

re: #316 lawhawk

Here's the link to Buffett saying that the cap'n tax is just that - a tax.

Mr. Buffett, meet underside of bus.

322 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:10:03am

re: #310 jcm

My neighborhood has a homeowners association (one of the oldest in the nation, part of the reason why this is a national historic area). You have to run all exterior work past the association for approval. It's time consuming, but I think it's worth it since you get to retain the look and feel of the neighborhood (and it prevents McMansions from being built on lots that are too small), but some people simply let their homes go rather than get the necessary approvals.

323 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:10:33am
324 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:10:35am

re: #271 jcm

Dozens of US cities may have entire neighbourhoods bulldozed as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.

While that solution might seem drastic, there is a legitimate question about what to do with big, decaying cities like Flint.

325 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:10:36am

re: #305 reine.de.tout

and finally, to underscore the brutality:
A photo of a beating victim.
WARNING - the photo is graphic and very very disturbing.

I'm reminded of something I asked many, many years ago to my parents when the whole 1979 revolution occurred, a few years after our family had moved from Tehran back to the United States. I think it was around the time that childhood innocence started to wain for me. I asked, "Do you think that my friends in Iran are still my friends?"

Well, while I may not know the poor gentleman who was so badly abused and tortured in that photograph, but I consider him to be one of those friends from my childhood, yearning for a better life, and deserving so much better than what he received. And, I hope the many other friends are closer to the redemption they deserve without the pain he received.

326 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:10:57am

re: #318 reine.de.tout

there are just no words, are there?

"Rigorous debate" according to the zero.

327 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:11:42am

re: #318 reine.de.tout

there are just no words, are there?

Those wounds indicate a sustained, methodical brutality. Not just some cop getting excited and swinging his baton a few times. They worked to achieve that result.

Hideous.

328 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:11:59am

re: #316 lawhawk
Thank you lawhawk - I appreciate that!

329 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:12:12am

re: #314 Eowyn2

my prediction:
No more do-it-yourself, blowing in insulation. AFLCIO contractor will have to do it. etc etc etc

You are probably right about that e. I know for sure the energy inspector has to be certified and licensed. Probably going to be a lot of crooked energy inspectors out there, cheaper to grease a few palms than make the improvements.

330 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:12:30am

Good Morning Lizards!

331 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:12:57am

re: #324 Occasional Reader

While that solution might seem drastic, there is a legitimate question about what to do with big, decaying cities like Flint.

Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. /ripley

Seriously, if Michael Moore were so concerned, he'd do something about it instead of just making films profiting from the miserable failures of the local politicians. He can't blame GM anymore for the mess there - they're long gone. It's all the locals. In fact, even if GM were still there, he can't blame 'em since it's now Government Motors.

332 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:13:51am

re: #280 avanti

OK, now that I know your background, let me pick your brain and get back to my ordinal comment as a layman. My opinion was that the left and right will both spin the numbers to their side, but the market well tell us if the job loss news is perceived as good or bad. I know very little, so my comment might well be too simplistic.


There are a lot of variables at play.

A common mistake is to look at the economy from the view of one variable and try to forecast market performance from that.

The market also reacts for technical reasons to things on given days, such as locking in profits near a quarterly statement period. I have also seen markets react irrationally at times due to fear and panic.

Here is the general situation:

We have poured an incredible amount of money into the financial system, yet unemployment is still growing. We have massive amounts of deficit spending coming out of Washington, which will (not maybe, will) ignite inflation. If you own a business right now, you have very little reason to hire more people with all of the anti-business, anti-growth stuff coming out of Washington these days.

The dollar will devalue due to the deficit spending, counterbalanced somewhat by foreign capital flowing to the US for safety, to a a point.

At this point, the improvement, such as it is in the economy, is due mainly to the Fed actions taken last fall and winter, and the elimination of mark to market (which sounds good but is a real bad thing in practice cause you are valuing long term assets at spot market prices)

We need for the economy to grow.

So you have to ask yourself, what actions taken by Washington encourage growth in the economy?

The stimulus? Not much, more inflationary than growth.

Cap and Trade? Will be very damaging to business.

Nationalizing health care? Not even close, they plan on taxing a lot of stuff to pay for their proposal.

333 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:13:55am

re: #330 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!

Mornin' Hoops! I just got here myself.

334 Lincolntf  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:14:10am

re: #311 realwest

Semi-related...
You know that "cash for clunkers" deal that has been recently adopted? We're car shopping and and decided to look into it. What a farce. If you read the rules/regs. the law does not apply to any pre-owned cars (no matter how fuel efficient or "new"they are) and the dealer is responsible for processing the "voucher" deal. Anyone think that dealerships won't jack up prices when they realize that the customer thinks they are getting $3500-$4500 back in the form of a refund? It would be a dumb business move not to if you ask me. Oh, and the one absolute rule that is emphasized over and again is that all traded-in cars MUST be destroyed. Not given to low-income families, not put up for auction to offset the cost of the program, not even shipped overseas in some humanitarian gesture. Just reduced to a nearly worthless hunk of scrap.
Fortunately, we're not gonna participate in the program because I like to buy "gently used" vehicles.

335 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:14:20am

re: #318 reine.de.tout

oh gawd, I peeked. How unmerciful. I wonder if wounds like that would heal.

336 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:14:21am

re: #319 realwest

IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IT HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING AS EFFICIENTLY OR AS INEXPENSIVELY AS PRIVATE INDUSTRY.

With the exception of creating debt.

337 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:14:51am

re: #331 lawhawk

Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. /ripley

Seriously, if Michael Moore were so concerned, he'd do something about it instead of just making films profiting from the miserable failures of the local politicians. He can't blame GM anymore for the mess there - they're long gone. It's all the locals. In fact, even if GM were still there, he can't blame 'em since it's now Government Motors.

Okay, but leaving Michael Moore aside... I do wonder what is the rational solution in the case of decaying rust belt cities, where you have entire sections that have become practically ghost towns.

338 tjseagrove  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:15:04am

I am finding it a lot faster on page loads over 3.1. Had to update Roboform and away we went...

339 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:15:56am

8:29 AM ET -- Iran to prosecute doctor who tried to save Neda.

Fars News Agency in Persian on 1 July 2009 reports that the commander of the Law Enforcement Force said: Arash Hejazi who as the witness of the murder of Neda Aqa-Soltan has created uproar is being prosecuted by the International Police (Interpol).


Speaking to a gathering of reporters, General Esma'il Ahmadi-Moqaddam added: Arash Hejazi is being prosecuted by the Ministry of Intelligence and Interpol forces.

He stressed: The murder of Neda Aqa-Soltan is a scenario which has no links to Tehran's riots.

Arash Hejazi, the doctor who was present at Neda Aqa-Soltan's murder scene, has held certain sensational interviews with foreign media on this murder case after departing the country.

340 realwest  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:15:57am

And while it's been fun y'all I gotta go - got to meet THREE damn doctors today to see which meds mom and I can stop taking altogether cause we can't afford to pay for 'em. We are both in the Medicare Gap.

Down here you can't speak to the docs on the phone, just relay messages to 'em and get answers from 'em via their triage nurses. I want to IMPRESS UPON THEM that we need to do without certain drugs and see what they have to say.
Anyway, y'all have a great day and I hope I get the chance to see you all down the road!

341 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:16:10am

re: #333 VegasRick

Mornin' Hoops! I just got here myself.

Hey Rick.. How is the weather in Vegas today?

342 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:16:18am

re: #337 Occasional Reader

Okay, but leaving Michael Moore aside... I do wonder what is the rational solution in the case of decaying rust belt cities, where you have entire sections that have become practically ghost towns.

Rational solution?

How's about invite industry, be business friendly, lower taxes on both residents and business for a start.

343 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:16:21am
344 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:16:25am

re: #335 turn

oh gawd, I peeked. How unmerciful. I wonder if wounds like that would heal.

I'm sure it would take quite a long time, if a person survived a beating like that.

345 ErnieG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:16:39am

re: #305 reine.de.tout

News from Iran

and finally, to underscore the brutality:
A photo of a beating victim.
WARNING - the photo is graphic and very very disturbing.

It was terrible to see, but it shows us what the Iranian people, as well as the rest of the world, are up against.

346 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:16:49am

re: #322 lawhawk

My neighborhood has a homeowners association (one of the oldest in the nation, part of the reason why this is a national historic area). You have to run all exterior work past the association for approval. It's time consuming, but I think it's worth it since you get to retain the look and feel of the neighborhood (and it prevents McMansions from being built on lots that are too small), but some people simply let their homes go rather than get the necessary approvals.

I've worked on and lived in a house like that. All the soffets were rotting and falling off, the restoration is my work.

My neighbor isn't historical, 60 years it was an apple orchard, suburbs just grew out.

347 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:17:20am

re: #305 reine.de.tout

News from Iran

and finally, to underscore the brutality:
A photo of a beating victim.
WARNING - the photo is graphic and very very disturbing.

Iran: "Concerned." "Intense debate."

Honduras: "[We] stand on the side of democracy" "Not legal."

BHO, 2009

348 3 wood  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:17:41am

re: #304 jvic

If I may ask--you understandably may prefer not to answer--, what was the annualized standard deviation or the Sharpe ratio over those 5 years?

Quite frankly I don't remember. I remember the ROR cause that's what I was evaluated on.

349 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:17:56am

re: #315 turn

Fair market value is a willing buyer and a willing seller ...

Yes, it works the other way too. I once talked to a widow that wanted to sell her dead husbands old Studebaker truck. It was, at best, a $200-300 dog of a parts truck, but her kids told her to hold out for 20K ! By the time she got back to me years later, it was not worth towing to my house if it was a gift.

350 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:18:46am

re: #323 buzzsawmonkey

Tallow? PETA won't like that.

351 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:18:47am

re: #342 Honorary Yooper

Rational solution?

How's about invite industry, be business friendly, lower taxes on both residents and business for a start.

Well, sure, those are ALWAYS good things, not just for Flint et al. But I wonder if some of those smallish cities might be too far gone in parts.

352 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:18:58am

re: #341 HoosierHoops

Hey Rick.. How is the weather in Vegas today?

HOT buy dry!
/actually only going to be 101.

353 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:19:24am

More police vandalism.....
IRAN: July 1st; Riot police smash cars and property

354 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:19:41am
355 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:19:41am

re: #343 buzzsawmonkey

Create an "enterprise zone"

You really think building a starship in Flint is a realistic solution?

356 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:19:42am

re: #327 Occasional Reader

Those wounds indicate a sustained, methodical brutality. Not just some cop getting excited and swinging his baton a few times. They worked to achieve that result.

Hideous.

And that motherfucker in the White House still wants to talk with ShortShit.

357 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:20:26am
358 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:20:36am

Wall Street Journal - on Franken's theft of the election.

First paragraph:

The Minnesota Supreme Court yesterday declared Democrat Al Franken the winner of last year's disputed Senate race, and Republican incumbent Norm Coleman's gracious concession at least spares the state any further legal combat. The unfortunate lesson is that you don't need to win the vote on Election Day as long as your lawyers are creative enough to have enough new or disqualified ballots counted after the fact.
359 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:20:38am
360 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:21:08am
361 Mithrax  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:21:48am

re: #360 buzzsawmonkey

Well, you could start by Spockling the walls in the dilapidated buildings.

But don't forget to fix up the old Kirk!

362 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:22:05am

Morning all! Hey Charles, don't know if you're up and at it yet, but I knew - I just knew - when you caught that meandering drivel of Pat Buchanan's on Darwin you'd have to put up a thread! Amazing, eh?

(Also had to re-post my post from early yesterday mornin' on it, cause Killgore posted that it would have to be a thread, and he was right. I'm really glad ya did it!)

BTW, I would love to have been a fly on the wall when you read that. I'm guessing the first thing you said was "What? You've got to be kidding me!

Or something a little less polite!

Thanks!

;-)

363 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:22:22am

re: #354 buzzsawmonkey

If I had a million or two to throw around--chicken-feed to our well-endowed foundations--I'd buy up a whole sector of a town like Flint and start an artists' colony, with grant applications for residence. Get an enterprise like that going, and a number of small businesses would grow up to service it.

It doesn't matter that I think most modern art is crap; artist influx usually manages somehow to drag redevelopment with it.

"We built this city on art and bowls..."

364 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:22:53am
365 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:22:56am

re: #357 buzzsawmonkey

Fuck PETA and the donkey they refused to ride in on.

For some reason, this song came to mind.


366 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:23:03am

re: #360 buzzsawmonkey

Well, you could start by Spockling the walls in the dilapidated buildings.

And your artists' colony could perform plays by Chekhov... I think we're onto something here!

367 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:23:26am

re: #339 Killgore Trout

8:29 AM ET -- Iran to prosecute doctor who tried to save Neda.


Damn that's disgusting. A couple of weeks ago I was reading about a $3,000 bullet fee the Iranian regime was charging to the families of those shot by the Mullah's henchmen.

368 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:23:50am

re: #360 buzzsawmonkey

Well, you could start by Spockling the walls in the dilapidated buildings.

Do you have the Data on that yet?

369 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:24:28am
370 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:24:49am

re: #305 reine.de.tout

News from Iran

and finally, to underscore the brutality:
A photo of a beating victim.
WARNING - the photo is graphic and very very disturbing.

this is what he risked for freedom.
this is what it means when you hear that "freedom isn't free."

371 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:25:35am

Of course, the artist colony idea would never work in a red state, where people simply klingon their guns and religion.

372 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:26:03am

re: #369 buzzsawmonkey

No, we're just starting to Picard the wallpaper patterns.

Any trebles so far?

373 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:26:17am

re: #367 Gus 802

Damn that's disgusting. A couple of weeks ago I was reading about a $3,000 bullet fee the Iranian regime was charging to the families of those shot by the Mullah's henchmen.

Uncle Joe Stalin did the same thing.

374 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:26:46am

re: #372 MandyManners

Any trebles so far?

It's been pretty quiet on this enterprise so far.

375 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:26:50am

re: #371 Occasional Reader

Of course, the artist colony idea would never work in a red state, where people simply klingon their guns and religion.

I bet they don't wear red shirts.

376 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:28:03am

I hate to Borg in here: but do you think people would assimilate in to the artists colony easily? Or would you have to phase them in where no plan has gone before?

377 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:28:29am

re: #371 Occasional Reader

Of course, the artist colony idea would never work in a red state, where people simply klingon their guns and religion.

Sulu is in charge of removing all the klingons from Uranus.
/

378 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:28:39am
379 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:28:41am

re: #371 Occasional Reader

Of course, the artist colony idea would never work in a red state, where people simply klingon their guns and religion.

It might work if they took it in on in several well planned out phasers.

380 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:29:02am

re: #351 Occasional Reader

Well, sure, those are ALWAYS good things, not just for Flint et al. But I wonder if some of those smallish cities might be too far gone in parts.

No such thing as too far gone. Rome, at its lowest points had maybe 10,000 people, fallen from its Empire height of near a million.

381 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:29:17am

re: #374 MrSilverDragon

It's been pretty quiet on this enterprise so far.

Are you beaming?

382 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:29:58am

re: #379 turn

It might work if they took it in on in several well planned out phasers.

I'm sure there's a bunch of artists that shouldn't be in that Gene pool, however.

383 Mithrax  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:30:38am

re: #382 MrSilverDragon

I'm sure there's a bunch of artists that shouldn't be in that Gene pool, however.

Just plants lots of RoddenBerry bushes.

384 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:30:41am

re: #378 buzzsawmonkey

I'm rapidly reaching the limit of my Star Trek knowledge, so I will just observe that any entity which got such an enterprise zone going in a depressed area would be Uhuru to the local residents.

How deep is the space?

385 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:30:45am

Barf Alert

BHO on the campaign trail in 2008:

QUESTION: In 1982, Anwar Sadat traveled to Israel, a trip that resulted in a peace agreement that has lasted ever since. In the spirit of that type of bold leadership, would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?

[...]

OBAMA: I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them -- which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration -- is ridiculous. (APPLAUSE) Now, Ronald Reagan and Democratic presidents like JFK constantly spoke to Soviet Union at a time when Ronald Reagan called them an evil empire. And the reason is because they understood that we may not trust them and they may pose an extraordinary danger to this country, but we had the obligation to find areas where we can potentially move forward. And I think that it is a disgrace that we have not spoken to them.

Video

"Within the first year." "In order to bridge the gap."

Barney has spoken.

386 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:30:50am
387 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:30:55am

re: #381 MandyManners

Are you beaming?

To the point of being stunned.

388 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:31:37am

re: #373 Occasional Reader

Uncle Joe Stalin did the same thing.

Charging for the "bullets?"

389 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:32:13am

re: #382 MrSilverDragon

I'm sure there's a bunch of artists that shouldn't be in that Gene pool, however.

I can visualize it now, each artist will have a lovely garden complete with roddenberries.

390 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:32:41am

re: #383 Mithrax

dang!

391 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:33:12am

re: #387 MrSilverDragon

To the point of being stunned.

It would be ardraous for me to continue these puns.

392 jvic  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:33:40am

re: #347 Gus 802

Iran: "Concerned." "Intense debate."

Honduras: "[We] stand on the side of democracy" "Not legal."

BHO, 2009

Iran: Obama Officials Say Talks with Iran Still Going Ahead

Honduras:

In a space for possible dialogue, Roberto Micheletti, sworn in as caretaker president by the Honduran Congress soon after the coup, announced he would send a delegation for talks in Washington on Wednesday.

But Insulza said OAS officials had no plans to met with any delegation from the caretaker government, and a senior U.S. official said that no one from the Obama administration would see the representatives.

"Without preconditions."

Talking to the Russians about a naval base apparently got Iceland a loan from the EU. Would the ploy work on the Obama administration? They are so lost in space that I'm not sure.

393 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:34:02am

re: #389 turn

I can visualize it now, each artist will have a lovely garden complete with roddenberries.

The more I think about it, maybe we could attract some famous actors and singers to this particular adventure, you could really push this idea into the limelight with that type of starbase.

394 Mithrax  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:34:04am

re: #390 turn

dang!

"s ok. I'm zoned in like I'm at warp factor 9 today!

395 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:35:57am

re: #380 Honorary Yooper

No such thing as too far gone. Rome, at its lowest points had maybe 10,000 people, fallen from its Empire height of near a million.

"Be it ever so crumbly
there's no place like Rome..."

-Bugs Bunny

396 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:36:27am
397 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:36:59am

re: #388 Gus 802

Charging for the "bullets?"

The families of those executed by firing squad were, literally, billed for the ammo used.

398 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:37:16am

re: #337 Occasional Reader

The nation has a history of creating ghost towns - look at the boom towns created during the various gold rushes and speculative mining in the West. Since those were created a 100 years ago, they're now tourist destinations, but I doubt people saw them that way at the time.

Trying to keep towns on life support for the sake of preserving a town doesn't make much sense. However, if the states and feds really want to encourage homeownership and improve economic vitality, they should consider a program that allows people with good credit to come in and buy those homes in places like Detroit and Flint at rock bottom prices so long as they spend at least 3 years and invest in their home/neighborhood. Encourage businesses to do the same. Target specific neighborhoods - even if it means block by block. Work with church groups like Nehemiah or with Habitat for Humanity to get housing rebuilt, upgraded.

Combine that with turning some of those areas into parkland since demand is low and while that reduces tax base - those areas are already lost to the tax base.

But these localities also have to realize that people aren't going to come there unless there are jobs and/or a real good reason to resettle there. That means making the business climate much more agreable. Tax and spend can't do that.

399 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:37:46am

re: #392 jvic

"Without preconditions."

Talking to the Russians about a naval base apparently got Iceland a loan from the EU. Would the ploy work on the Obama administration? They are so lost in space that I'm not sure.

Yet another descent into Obamadom. Still willing to meet with Iran yet now unwilling to meet with the caretaker government in Honduras.

It's clear who's side he's on. Howard Zinn must be very happy with BHO -- so are Castro, Chavez, and Ahmadinejad.

400 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:37:55am

re: #383 Mithrax

Just plants lots of RoddenBerry bushes.

Will their fruit be certified Organian?

401 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:38:10am

Here's a photo of the Al Frankens .... and you gotta admit, they are a cute couple:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

402 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:38:11am

re: #380 Honorary Yooper

No such thing as too far gone. Rome, at its lowest points had maybe 10,000 people, fallen from its Empire height of near a million.

Bury one of Michael Jacksons back up singers in Flint, build a basillica on it and start a new world religion. That ought to bring the population back up in 2000 years or so. /

403 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:38:17am

re: #393 MrSilverDragon

The more I think about it, maybe we could attract some famous actors and singers to this particular adventure, you could really push this idea into the limelight with that type of starbase.

Yes ohura about them famous actors coming too.

404 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:38:31am

re: #346 jcm

My house isn't anything like that, but it's comfy, and it's mine. Here's the area though.

405 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:39:20am

re: #401 _RememberTonyC

Here's a photo of the Al Frankens .... and you gotta admit, they are a cute couple:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Doesn't she look like the textbook liberal, or is it just me?

406 irongrampa  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:39:33am

Good morning, good people.

Something to share, this is funny--wife has a mag subscription,originally in her mom and dad's name,sent to our address. So she wished to cancel delivery, sent them a note saying "occupant deceased, please stop delivery."

Yesterday's mail had a magazine from these people with the name Occupant Deceased, our address, on the address label. Can't wait to straighten this one out.

407 jvic  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:39:54am

re: #358 reine.de.tout

Wall Street Journal - on Franken's theft of the election.

The swing of the Minnesota and Alaska Senate seats smells to high heaven. The WA governor election too, but that doesn't affect national policy. Alaska & Minnesota give the Democrats a filibuster-proof majority.

408 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:39:59am

re: #385 Gus 802

Barf Alert

BHO on the campaign trail in 2008:

Video

"Within the first year." "In order to bridge the gap."

Barney has spoken.

Remember one of RWR's first talking points with the Sovs?

Refusenik.

409 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:40:18am
410 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:40:25am

re: #393 MrSilverDragon

The more I think about it, maybe we could attract some famous actors and singers to this particular adventure, you could really push this idea into the limelight with that type of starbase.

Indeed, the signers could concentrate on popular tunes from well-known movies in order to draw large crowds; such as My Fair Lady's "I've Grown Accustomed To Her Phaser".

411 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:40:36am

re: #397 Occasional Reader

The families of those executed by firing squad were, literally, billed for the ammo used.

Fitting. I'm sure the posers that idolize his "third cousin" Che Guevara understand this.

412 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:40:56am

re: #396 buzzsawmonkey

Take a drive through Gary, Indiana to see the scale of the problem.

We'd need to import artists by the boat load to fill that empty place...

413 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:41:20am

re: #405 turn

Doesn't she look like the textbook liberal, or is it just me?

You are much kinder than I am. You are right. My comment would have been something along the lines of "for a Hollywood big shot, he appears to be an underachiever in some areas." But at times, I can be superficial that way.

414 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:41:26am

re: #401 _RememberTonyC

Here's a photo of the Al Frankens .... and you gotta admit, they are a cute couple:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Orthodontists wet dream/

415 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:42:29am

re: #414 DaddyG

Orthodontists wet dream/

LOL ... She could eat corn on the cob through a picket fence

416 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:42:32am

re: #408 jcm

Remember one of RWR's first talking points with the Sovs?

Refusenik.

Obama was blowing smoke early on in his "career."

417 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:42:44am

re: #412 experiencedtraveller

Take a drive through Gary, Indiana to see the scale of the problem.

We'd need to import artists by the boat load to fill that empty place...

And imagine the quantities of pee-pee and caca they'd need in order to create that much "art".

418 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:43:11am

re: #406 irongrampa

Good morning, good people.

Something to share, this is funny--wife has a mag subscription,originally in her mom and dad's name,sent to our address. So she wished to cancel delivery, sent them a note saying "occupant deceased, please stop delivery."

Yesterday's mail had a magazine from these people with the name Occupant Deceased, our address, on the address label. Can't wait to straighten this one out.

ROFL!
You know somebody had to type that in to the mag's subscription data base.

419 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:43:34am

re: #410 Occasional Reader

Indeed, the signers singers could concentrate on popular tunes from well-known movies in order to draw large crowds; such as My Fair Lady's "I've Grown Accustomed To Her Phaser".

420 turn  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:44:00am

re: #413 _RememberTonyC

You are much kinder than I am. You are right. My comment would have been something along the lines of "for a Hollywood big shot, he appears to be an underachiever in some areas." But at times, I can be superficial that way.

Kinder? ok she looks like a little squinty eyed chipmunk to me. How's that?

421 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:44:19am

re: #409 buzzsawmonkey

The DeCeaseds are a fine old family.

Civic-ly inclined too; never missed a vote when they lived in Chicago.

422 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:45:47am

re: #370 nyc redneck

this is what he risked for freedom.
this is what it means when you hear that "freedom isn't free."

Exactly.
I hate to see photos like that.
But I always feel like it's important to check them out, as a way of honoring what it is people go through, and as a way to imprint into my brain that "freedom isn't free". We take so much for granted in this country.

423 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:45:55am

re: #417 Occasional Reader

And imagine the quantities of pee-pee and caca they'd need in order to create that much "art".

Or the milk crate chained to a wall on a bed of hay. Remember those "art forms" from the 80s? If the Manhattan elite is feeling even more gutsy or "culturally relevant" they would chain a six pack of Bud to a wall on a bed of hay and add some background "mood music."

Art posers.

424 Bagua  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:46:10am

re: #61 ArchangelMichael

I've been using the beta of Firefox 3.5 for awhile (still am on this computer), and haven't had any problems at all. I haven't noticed if they fixed the memory hogging problem though. I have been happy enough with it to stop cheating on it with that hussie Google Chrome though.

Same here, the beta version ran better on my PC, with 3.0 having a lot of annoying quirks and crashes. It is definitely faster, and uses a bit less memory, though browsers in general are very memory intensive, especially if one uses multiple tabs.

FF 3.5 also runs fine on Windows 7

425 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:46:51am

re: #401 _RememberTonyC

Here's a photo of the Al Frankens .... and you gotta admit, they are a cute couple:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Is she missing a tooth?

426 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:46:56am
427 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:47:35am
428 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:47:54am

re: #426 buzzsawmonkey

Artists expand to fill available space.

Hey, I already said; let's leave Michael Moore out of this.

429 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:48:55am
430 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:49:04am

re: #426 buzzsawmonkey

Artists expand to fill available space.

Like a gaseous bacterium?

//

431 irongrampa  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:49:13am

re: #418 reine.de.tout

My thoughts too. Not sure if she's pissed about it, if she IS, I'll stay right out of it, and send a small prayer for the mag people, they'll need it.

432 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:49:20am

re: #429 buzzsawmonkey

I didn't realize Michael Moore was an "artist."

In his own head.
And in Fwance.

433 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:50:03am

re: #427 taxfreekiller

so, when will we be able to call Obama a commie

before or only after Commie Health Care?

Obama is not a Commie. That's hyperbole, really. Something Ron Paul would say.

434 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:50:06am
435 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:50:15am
436 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:50:33am
437 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:50:37am

re: #422 reine.de.tout

It costs a buck 'o five (according to Team America.)

438 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:50:54am

re: #414 DaddyG

re: #415 _RememberTonyC

Having grown up with teeth like that before getting some orthodontistry done, that's some mean stuff to say...

439 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:50:55am
440 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:50:58am

I really like Walter Williams:

Why a Bill of Rights?

Why did the founders of our nation give us the Bill of Rights? The answer is easy. They knew Congress could not be trusted with our God-given rights.

Says it all!

441 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:51:17am

re: #435 buzzsawmonkey

Pretty much--sort of the way work expands to fill the time available for it.

And your furnishings in your house expand to overtake the space available.
At least in my house.

442 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:51:17am

re: #435 buzzsawmonkey

Pretty much--sort of the way work expands to fill the time available for it.

Work is what you do in between catching up with the office gossip.

Cubicle World 101.

///

443 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:51:46am
444 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:51:58am

re: #438 MrSilverDragon

Sorry- I should have left her out of it.

Here I am acting like a Democrat.

445 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:52:08am

The problem with "artists" colonies is that it takes people with money to buy the art. That's why most of what you see isn't art, it's junk at an (overinflated) but affordable price.

Hey, I got an idea. Why not a small business zone --Zero taxes for 5 years and $xx amount of start-up. A town where entreuprenuers could congregate and network tax-free for 5 years--either you make it and move out, prove your buisness can survive in the real world, or you go bust.

UPS/Fed Ex, banks, trucking companies would certainly benefit.

446 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:52:18am

re: #439 buzzsawmonkey

Well, if not a commie, at least a semi-colon.

Can't wait until we get to the period.

1299 days left.

447 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:52:20am

re: #436 taxfreekiller

jump off a cliff

Very nice. And that's your answer, your final answer?

448 Bagua  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:52:20am

re: #433 Walter L. Newton

Obama is not a Commie. That's hyperbole, really. Something Ron Paul would say.

Good point, the more we indulge in such nonsense the more we become like those who suffered from BDS.

449 justabill  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:52:41am

re: #427 taxfreekiller

so, when will we be able to call Obama a commie

before or only after Commie Health Care?

When he is out of office and can no longer throw you in a gulag.

450 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:53:55am

re: #449 justabill

When he is out of office and can no longer throw you in a gulag.

Did I miss something. Who was the last American citizen thrown into a gulag by Obama?

451 jvic  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:53:56am

re: #348 3 wood

Quite frankly I don't remember. I remember the ROR cause that's what I was evaluated on.

Makes sense.

I gather you retired before hell broke loose. Maybe that decision was your best trade, or maybe you would have cleaned up in the chaos.

What with seeing the big picture and focusing on essential details, no wonder you're successful. Congratulations.

452 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:54:07am

What This Country Needs Is a Good Terrorist Attack!

Last night Glenn Beck's guest was ex-CIA person Michael Scheuer, who stated that the only hope for the country was for Osama Bin Laden to "deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States." Seriously.

Why would any good, patriotic American say such a thing in a discussion about border protection? Because all of our politicians crave is the approval of Europeans and to hold on to their cushy jobs and it's going to take an attack from Bin Laden to wake America up to the fact that our leaders need to use "as much violence as necessary" to firmly establish our place in the world. Meanwhile Beck just sat there nodding his approval.

Only Ossama can save us?

453 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:54:24am
454 debutaunt  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:54:30am

re: #397 Occasional Reader

The families of those executed by firing squad were, literally, billed for the ammo used.

Per round or per bullet?

455 Bagua  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:54:46am

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

Why trouble the fantasists with anything as droll as facts?

456 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:56:11am
457 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:56:20am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

Unbelievable. That's definitely thread worthy.

458 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:56:45am
459 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:56:48am

re: #425 ggt

Is she missing a tooth?

I think she has some extra ones.

460 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:56:48am

re: #443 taxfreekiller

Its ok to jump off cliffs, cause Obama and the commies will catch you in their commie dirty blankets. Walter

You know, by calling Obama a Commie, you actually are dumping on all the poor people that have actually lost their lives to real communism, the people who over the years have fought against any dictator, communist, fascist and others.

You don't really care about all those lives lost, as long as you can make a few points calling Obama a commie.

You should only wish you never live in a REAL communist country under REAL communist rule.

Cheap shots on your part.

461 justabill  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:57:03am

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

Did I miss something. Who was the last American citizen thrown into a gulag by Obama?

You missed the / I thought was unnecessary. I should have known better...

462 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:57:19am

Commie is easier to say than community organizer and redistributer of wealth in chief./ A little hyperbole saves 1000 words of explaination.

Seriously- As I read the "traitor is over the top" thread last night I thought about how conservatives are self-policing themselves to a great degree. I don't remember liberal or left-center columnists taking like minded blogs and pundits to task for their overt Bush Derangement Syndrome.

The fact that the right side of the blogosphere is willing to self correct is a good thing IMO.

463 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:57:36am

re: #406 irongrampa

Good morning, good people.

Something to share, this is funny--wife has a mag subscription,originally in her mom and dad's name,sent to our address. So she wished to cancel delivery, sent them a note saying "occupant deceased, please stop delivery."

Yesterday's mail had a magazine from these people with the name Occupant Deceased, our address, on the address label. Can't wait to straighten this one out.

In WA you could take that down to the Dept. of Lic. and get an ID card based on the address label. And check the motor voter box to register to vote.

Mail in ballot for Occupant Deceased would be absolutely priceless.

464 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:58:12am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

What This Country Needs Is a Good Terrorist Attack!

Only Ossama can save us?

It takes a truly demented mind to believe that.

465 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:59:07am

re: #463 jcm

In WA you could take that down to the Dept. of Lic. and get an ID card based on the address label. And check the motor voter box to register to vote.

Mail in ballot for Occupant Deceased would be absolutely priceless.

You can get an ID based ONLY on an address label?
For real?

466 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:59:33am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

What This Country Needs Is a Good Terrorist Attack!

Morning Killgore! I actually saw that piece on Beck. Group of us having a cold one at our local when it came on. We all had the same thought: this is insane. I don't care if this administration is a mess; there's no way I'd ever hope for the death of my countrymen just to make a point.

Beck sometimes has good guests (e.g. John Bolton), but he's just too far over the top for me - and so is Scheuer.

467 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:00:36am
468 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:00:44am

re: #438 MrSilverDragon

re: #415 _RememberTonyC

Having grown up with teeth like that before getting some orthodontistry done, that's some mean stuff to say...

I guess once you got your teeth fixed you could pass as a conservative according to some. /s

469 irongrampa  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:00:47am

re: #463 jcm

Don't know if that's applicable in New York, might be interesting to see if it is. Unsure if wifey would let me do it, tho'.

470 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:00:50am
471 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:01:01am

re: #457 lawhawk

Unbelievable. That's definitely thread worthy.

POssibly. The Kos kidz are excited about it too but will it really damage Beck or fox news? They're already advocating things like not filling out census forms, not paying taxes. I've seen stories recently pushing for a national consumer boycott to bring the economy to its knees. Openly hoping for a major terrorist attack will just get lost in the noise. His audience knows what he's about and they watch him because of it. The cable ratings came out yesterday and he has the 3rd highest rated show in the country. This is the kind of stuff his audience wants.

472 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:01:16am

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

Wow, someone who understands what's going on? Yes, the media is not reporting this correctly. My girlfriend had to point me to looking into what is really happening, and guess what, the president was farting on the Honduran Constitution, period, the SAME way Chavez has been trying to do that.

The Constitution gets in the way when you're a holy and precious leftist dictator.

473 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:01:22am

re: #454 debutaunt

Per round or per bullet?

One charge for the bullet, another for the casing, another for the gunpowder. But they threw in the primer for free, 'cause that's the kind of guy Joe Stalin was.

/

474 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:01:43am

In Louisiana, hilarity at the legislature.

It's local to La., but just too juicy to keep to myself.

To get the full impact, you have to click through and read the lyrics.

475 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:01:53am

re: #470 buzzsawmonkey

He's also a Paulian.

476 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:02:48am

re: #470 buzzsawmonkey

Michael Scheuer is vicious and insane in addition to being an antisemite.

But other than that... um...

[he has good teeth? hell, I dunno]

477 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:03:04am
478 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:03:26am

re: #22 DaddyG

Does FF or Opera work faster when the LGF threads get into the 600+ range? IE slows to a crawl and I can't see what I've typed for a good 30 seconds.

I'll bet you don't turn down your radio when you call in to Talk Radio.
/

479 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:03:29am
480 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:03:34am

re: #474 reine.de.tout

In Louisiana, hilarity at the legislature.

It's local to La., but just too juicy to keep to myself.

To get the full impact, you have to click through and read the lyrics.

Is that first picture of her real or photoshopped!

481 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:04:11am

re: #480 Mad Al-Jaffee

Is that first picture of her real or photoshopped!

real.

482 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:05:03am

re: #454 debutaunt

Per round or per bullet?

Your Uncle died of lead poisoning.............6 times.

483 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:06:15am

re: #420 turn

Kinder? ok she looks like a little squinty eyed chipmunk to me. How's that?


nice :)

484 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:06:30am

re: #470 buzzsawmonkey

Michael Scheuer is vicious and insane in addition to being an antisemite.

And let's recall that Scheuer was also a darling to the Left. (Anti-Iraq War, anti-Bush, blamed Islamist terrorism on Israel... what's not to like, from their perpsective?) Just wanted to note that for the record, Killgore.

485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:06:40am

I left this morning at 10 til 9 (est) just got back. Helped a guy move.

Never hesitate to help someone fresh out of seminary move his small family. Most of the furniture (which there is not much of anyway) is cheap and light.

But he'll owe you forever.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I'm such a good Christian.

486 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:06:55am

re: #479 buzzsawmonkey

Beck, in the clip you provided, did not seem to endorse or advocate Scheuer's position--rather, he seemed to view it with incredulity.

One may fault Beck for having Scheuer on his program, but it is Scheuer--who is given far too much credence as a source of wisdom--who is demented, and at fault, here.

Like the gal talking about burning books at a tea party meet and greet, it's the responsibility of patriots to speak out against such nonsense. Beck could have simple said "I don't agree with the POTUS, but to wish for a major terrorist attack is just nuts", but that would hurt his paycheck.

487 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:07:57am

re: #438 MrSilverDragon

re: #415 _RememberTonyC

Having grown up with teeth like that before getting some orthodontistry done, that's some mean stuff to say...


i know it is .... I had serious snaggletooth before I got my braces. took a lot of shit for it, but it toughened me up. somehow i don't think frannie franken cares what I think.

488 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:09:32am

re: #468 avanti

I guess once you got your teeth fixed you could pass as a conservative according to some. /s

It would take a lot more than orthodonture to get Stuart Smiley to pass as a legislator. In fact it took a trunk full of found ballots and the Supreme Court.

489 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:09:59am
490 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:10:05am

re: #465 reine.de.tout

You can get an ID based ONLY on an address label?
For real?

Duncan registered to vote....

She put her phone bill in Duncan's name, then used the phone bill as identification to register him as a voter.


Duncan is a dog.

The Motor Voter Act

This voter registration movement was spear headed by Frances Piven and Richard Cloward in the early 1980s in response to the Reagan administration. It was believed that through government implementation of more active registration proposals it would increase voter turn out rates which have been on a steady decline since the monumental election of 1896.


Cloward and Piven taught at Columbia.
Obama won't release his Columbia transcripts.

When Rahm and other say a crisis is an opportunity to do things they ordinary wouldn't be able to do. That's also a Cloward and Piven concept.

491 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:10:08am

re: #471 Killgore Trout

POssibly. The Kos kidz are excited about it too but will it really damage Beck or fox news? They're already advocating things like not filling out census forms, not paying taxes. I've seen stories recently pushing for a national consumer boycott to bring the economy to its knees. Openly hoping for a major terrorist attack will just get lost in the noise. His audience knows what he's about and they watch him because of it. The cable ratings came out yesterday and he has the 3rd highest rated show in the country. This is the kind of stuff his audience wants.

Fox is advocating all that?

492 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:10:32am

re: #485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was gone for three hours...including driving all of the way across town. loading the truck...moving the stuff to the house and unloading the stuff.

493 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:10:37am

re: #478 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'll bet you don't turn down your radio when you call in to Talk Radio.
/

What...what...what...what?

494 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:11:17am

re: #468 avanti

I guess once you got your teeth fixed you could pass as a conservative according to some. /s

Not really, no. 3ft hair, scraggly beard, t-shirt & jeans, many people stereotype me as a hippie democrat that does drugs on a daily basis. More often than not I'm stopped by people on the street schilling environmental causes or democratic politics, thinking that I'm immediately going to sign whatever petition they stuff in front of me because they think I'm just like them. I've been stopped a few times by teenagers because they look at me and think they can score pot from me.

And your comment, again, falls right into that stereotypical behavior. A look does not make a person, only an impression.

495 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:11:22am
496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:12:09am

re: #493 DaddyG

Everytime someone calls talk radio and the "oops, i forgot to turn my radio down" excuse comes out... I just want to throttle them!

497 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:12:18am

re: #479 buzzsawmonkey

Beck nods approvingly through the statement then adds that he was thinking the same thing.

498 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:13:10am
499 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:13:10am

re: #467 taxfreekiller

dumb ass sob,
VC
many VC
price on my head by Gen. Giap

Millions of the people my friends died to save,
killed by hoe handle made possible by John F. Kerry
and the COMMIE DEMOCRAT PARTY.

and they are about to enable millions more hoe handle deaths

Well, I guess my real world definition of "commie" and your hyperbole usage of the word are two different things.

I'm talking about the facts, real world facts about communism, the reality of what it is and isn't.

Your interest is painting certain people with that term in order to stir emotion.

I'll stick with the truth, with the facts.

500 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:13:52am

re: #491 MandyManners

Yes, they have people on all the time talking about stuff like that. The crap that goes on with Judge Nepalitano's show is even worse with guests like Alex Jones.

501 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:13:54am
502 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:14:11am

re: #497 Killgore Trout

Beck nods approvingly through the statement then adds that he was thinking the same thing.

I'm not defending Beck but that is not what he said.

503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:14:29am

re: #494 MrSilverDragon

Super libs moved in next door to me. Saw my "Vegetarians Save Lives" bumper sticker, thought he had a kindred spirit.

Our first sit down together was interesting.

He's a fantastic, smart guy. We don't talk politics. At all.

504 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:14:35am

An aside on the subject of Beck: one-half of our local right-wing reactionary kook talk radio morning program is leaving to go to work for Beck, who he apparently worked with back when.

So look for Pat in teh crazy!

/

505 Summer Seale  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:14:38am

RE: Firefox

Too little, too late. Unfortunately, while Firefox was at the top of the game a few years ago, it has become bloated, buggy, and unwieldy. Chrome has been my #1 browser since day one of release, and it looks like it stays that way. Safari comes in at an incredibly close second (really, no difference apart from the fact that Safari doesn't re-open automatically with tabs opened from last time...and I know about Safari Saft as I bought it in 2005 =) ).

IE? WTF is that?

506 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:14:53am
507 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:15:36am

re: #499 Walter L. Newton

Well, I guess my real world definition of "commie" and your hyperbole usage of the word are two different things.

I'm talking about the facts, real world facts about communism, the reality of what it is and isn't.

Your interest is painting certain people with that term in order to stir emotion.

I'll stick with the truth, with the facts.

I've called BHO a Marxist.

For a reason.
His entire upbringing and choices in associations from his mother to Rev. Wright where steeped in Marxist ideology.

508 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:15:37am

re: #500 Killgore Trout

Yes, they have people on all the time talking about stuff like that. The crap that goes on with Judge Nepalitano's show is even worse with guests like Alex Jones.

On television or on the Internet?

509 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:15:50am

re: #506 taxfreekiller

tell me what best describes the no good dumb ass then

Narcissist with megalomaniacidal tendencies.

510 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:15:51am

re: #494 MrSilverDragon

Not really, no. 3ft hair, scraggly beard, t-shirt & jeans, many people stereotype me as a hippie democrat that does drugs on a daily basis. More often than not I'm stopped by people on the street schilling environmental causes or democratic politics, thinking that I'm immediately going to sign whatever petition they stuff in front of me because they think I'm just like them. I've been stopped a few times by teenagers because they look at me and think they can score pot from me.

And your comment, again, falls right into that stereotypical behavior. A look does not make a person, only an impression.

That description fits Mr. w, too (except his hair won't grow to that length.) Stereotypers provide opportunity for humor at their own expense, do they not?

511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:16:05am

Cool. Firefox 3.5 has a new tab thingy. All you gotta do is click the plus sign to get a new tab.

I like that. The first new "feature" that I have seen.

512 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:16:35am

Have a great day all!

I'm going to brave the twilight zone.

513 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:17:03am

re: #507 jcm

I've called BHO a Marxist.

For a reason.
His entire upbringing and choices in associations from his mother to Rev. Wright where steeped in Marxist ideology.

Don't forget Marshall.

514 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:17:24am

re: #508 MandyManners

Nepalitono's show is only on the internet. There was a push to get him on the regular cable channel but it wasn't happened yet.

515 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:17:41am

re: #506 taxfreekiller

tell me what best describes the no good dumb ass then

He'll always be FCBBHO to me.

516 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:18:09am

re: #511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh. That was the first feature I disabled. I hate tabbed browsing.

517 KingKenrod  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:18:18am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

What This Country Needs Is a Good Terrorist Attack!

[Video]

Only Ossama can save us?

I'm no fan of Scheuer or Beck, but you're reading into this what you want to see, not discerning the point Scheuer is trying to make, which is that we are slipping back into our pre-9/11 complacency, which is just what AQ needs. This is where Obama is leading us.

Scheuer is saying we shouldn't have to be shocked out of our complacency, but that is where we are heading.

Don't you agree with that?

518 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:18:23am

re: #514 Killgore Trout

Nepalitono's show is only on the internet. There was a push to get him on the regular cable channel but it wasn't happened yet.

They'd have to kick off someone's show.

519 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:19:06am

re: #506 taxfreekiller

tell me what best describes the no good dumb ass then

A leftist, a soft socialist (ala France), try Democrat. I am not supporting Obama on his policies, but be truthful, the man is not a communist.

Painting him with that term makes someone sound like Beck, Jones, Buchannan, Paul, Hannity and a number of other reactionary right wing kooks.

520 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:19:11am

re: #517 KingKenrod

I'm no fan of Scheuer or Beck, but you're reading into this what you want to see, not discerning the point Scheuer is trying to make, which is that we are slipping back into our pre-9/11 complacency, which is just what AQ needs. This is where Obama is leading us.

Scheuer is saying we shouldn't have to be shocked out of our complacency, but that is where we are heading.

Don't you agree with that?

Upding!

521 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:19:21am

re: #498 buzzsawmonkey

Self-watering plant discovered in the Negev.

Very cool.

I just read that out loud to my office potted plant and told it to take more initiative.

It flipped me off.

522 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:20:37am

re: #513 MandyManners

Don't forget Marshall.

Nope.... not forgetting.

523 Summer Seale  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:20:50am

re: #511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cool. Firefox 3.5 has a new tab thingy. All you gotta do is click the plus sign to get a new tab.

I like that. The first new "feature" that I have seen.

Umm...that's been kinda part of Firefox since years. =) Only, I guess you had to customize your toolbar and drag the icon on it to get the button before, perhaps. But it's always been part of the tabs since a long long time. =) I guess they added it as a default now because Chrome and Safari added it as a default a while back.

524 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:20:56am

re: #489 buzzsawmonkey

You, who refuse to give credence to Obama's desire to savage the Constitution by creating "positive rights" that nowhere appear there--despite the fact that he clearly endorsed such action--on the basis of your having read merely a fragment of his statement on that subject, have absolutely no grounds for savaging Beck on the basis of a very brief clip.

Well... we've seen plenty of basis for savaging Beck on all sorts of other nutty stuff, to be fair.

525 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:21:03am

re: #510 wrenchwench

That description fits Mr. w, too (except his hair won't grow to that length.) Stereotypers provide opportunity for humor at their own expense, do they not?

Oh, hell, you cannot imagine the joy I've received from "bitterly clinging to guns and religion".

;)

526 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:21:05am

re: #406 irongrampa

Good morning, good people.

Something to share, this is funny--wife has a mag subscription,originally in her mom and dad's name,sent to our address. So she wished to cancel delivery, sent them a note saying "occupant deceased, please stop delivery."

Yesterday's mail had a magazine from these people with the name Occupant Deceased, our address, on the address label. Can't wait to straighten this one out.

Wait until the bills come. They can screw up "Deceased"'s credit rating.

527 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:21:14am

re: #507 jcm

I've called BHO a Marxist.

For a reason.
His entire upbringing and choices in associations from his mother to Rev. Wright where steeped in Marxist ideology.

Fine, yes, Marxist tendencies, but that is not communism. The whole 1930's was full of Marxist-like federal policies, and it we didn't turn the country into a gulag.

Really, there is a difference, and even in the case of Obama, he is far from a purist Marxist.

Honestly.

528 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:21:28am

re: #501 Creeping Eruption

Welcome to my schizophrenic State:

Wisconsin is first state with same-sex marriage ban to offer domestic partnerships

Does this mean my second wife and my Alpaca (we're very close) can now get state benefits?/

529 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:22:00am

re: #505 Summer

RE: Firefox

Too little, too late. Unfortunately, while Firefox was at the top of the game a few years ago, it has become bloated, buggy, and unwieldy. Chrome has been my #1 browser since day one of release, and it looks like it stays that way. Safari comes in at an incredibly close second (really, no difference apart from the fact that Safari doesn't re-open automatically with tabs opened from last time...and I know about Safari Saft as I bought it in 2005 =) ).

IE? WTF is that?

It's a little disturbing to hear that, while other browsers are rapidly adding multithreading to speed up the various tasks a browser must handle, Firefox will not be adding this feature until late 2010, at the earliest.

This bolsters my contention that the whole "open source software" paradigm is a pile of myth that is incapable of producing robust, complex software that is more bug free and capable of maintenance than it's managed counterparts.

Haven't tried Chromed yet, because Google is evil.

530 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:22:00am

re: #522 jcm

Nope.... not forgetting.

...Saul Alinsky

531 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:22:13am

re: #524 Occasional Reader

Well... we've seen plenty of basis for savaging Beck on all sorts of other nutty stuff, to be fair.

There's no "fair" any more.

532 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:22:28am

Well, isn't this interesting:

Fuel tax could be replaced with by-the-mile road tax

Why?

Besides the technological advances making such a tax possible, the idea is getting a hard push from a growing number of transportation experts and officials. That is because the traditional by-the-gallon fuel tax, struggling to keep up with road building and maintenance demands, could fall even farther behind as vehicles' gas mileage rises and more alternative-fuel vehicles come on line.

So, on the one hand, the administration is pushing for better gas mileage and alternative fuels - telling us it will save us money (okay, I'll buy that), and on the other coming up with a new way to replace the revenue lost by what we've saved.

Similar to a town raising water rates because there was a drop in revenue when folks began conserving water - at the request of the town.

Sigh.

533 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:22:58am

re: #519 Walter L. Newton

A leftist, a soft socialist (ala France), try Democrat. I am not supporting Obama on his policies, but be truthful, the man is not a communist.

Painting him with that term makes someone sound like Beck, Jones, Buchannan, Paul, Hannity and a number of other reactionary right wing kooks.

AVANTI - stop up dinging me. :)

534 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:23:14am

re: #529 SixDegrees

Haven't tried Chromed yet, because Google is evil.

Upding.

535 rightside  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:23:25am

re: #505 Summer

Is that the browser that won't let you choose where to install it?

536 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:23:35am

re: #505 Summer

Unfortunately, while Firefox was at the top of the game a few years ago, it has become bloated, buggy, and unwieldy.

I can identify with that.

537 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:23:37am

'Fight them over there vs. over here' a false choice

By Ron Paul
Wednesday, July 1, 2009

There is no area in which Republicans have further strayed from our traditions than in foreign affairs.
...
Neoconservatives who have come to power in both the Democratic and Republican parties argue that the U.S. must ether confront every evil in every corner of the globe or risk danger at home. We need to "fight them over there" they say, so we don't have to "fight them over here." This argument presents a false choice. We do not have to pick between interventionism and vulnerability. The complexity of our world is exactly why the lessons of our past should ring true and demand a return to a traditional, pro-American foreign policy: one of nonintervention.

Tea Party!

538 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:23:43am

re: #525 OldLineTexan

Oh, hell, you cannot imagine the joy I've received from "bitterly clinging to guns and religion".

;)

Well, I've been bitterly clinging to my chocolate chip cookies. So there, Mrs. Clinton.

539 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:23:50am

re: #533 Walter L. Newton

ROTFLMAO

Is it like having a Nazi agree with your tax protest?

////////

540 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:24:06am
541 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:24:27am

re: #533 Walter L. Newton

AVANTI - stop up dinging me. :)

Screw you. :)

542 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:24:33am

re: #538 Emmmieg

Well, I've been bitterly clinging to my chocolate chip cookies. So there, Mrs. Clinton.

Try the semi-sweet chips, work your way out of biterness.

/

543 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:25:05am

re: #521 DaddyG

Very cool.

I just read that out loud to my office potted plant and told it to take more initiative.

It flipped me off.

As long as your plant doesn't ask you to feed it.

544 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:25:07am

re: #533 Walter L. Newton

AVANTI - stop up dinging me. :)

GMTA?

545 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:25:51am

re: #540 buzzsawmonkey

We have enough squabbling on this thread already. The evidence is on the tape, I'm not going to argue about it.

546 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:25:52am

re: #543 Kosh's Shadow

As long as your plant doesn't ask you to feed it.

Get REALLY worried if it starts singing.

547 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:26:01am

re: #542 OldLineTexan

Try the semi-sweet chips, work your way out of biterness.

/

Actually--if you make the traditional cookie, but then add cocoa (Have to subtract a little flower to make it work), and then add the dark chips, that is...

good.

548 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:26:58am

re: #547 Emmmieg

Actually--if you make the traditional cookie, but then add cocoa (Have to subtract a little flower to make it work), and then add the dark chips, that is...

good.

No stems or seeds!

549 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:27:11am

re: #539 OldLineTexan

ROTFLMAO

Is it like having a Nazi agree with your tax protest?

////////

Hey, I've come a long way if I'm willing to accept French style socialist, over Commie for the POTUS. I'll take the good I can get over the perfect that is out of the question.

550 Gus  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:27:16am

Glenn Beck has conspiracy kook guest on his program.

In other news, the sky is blue.

Film @ 11.

//

551 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:27:42am

re: #548 VegasRick

No stems or seeds!

I should have slept in this morning. (It's 9:30 here)

;)

552 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:27:53am

re: #546 MrSilverDragon

Get REALLY worried if it starts singing.

Like this?

553 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:28:29am

re: #543 Kosh's Shadow

As long as your plant doesn't ask you to feed it.

554 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:28:40am

re: #511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cool. Firefox 3.5 has a new tab thingy. All you gotta do is click the plus sign to get a new tab.

I like that. The first new "feature" that I have seen.

I like that too. I'll no longer have to drag the New Tab icon out from the toolbar customization.

555 Neutral President  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:29:24am

re: #537 Killgore Trout

Because 1789s foreign policy is totally valid in a world with nuclear weapons...

/Luap Nor!

556 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:29:25am

re: #528 DaddyG

Does this mean my second wife and my Alpaca (we're very close) can now get state benefits?/

Only if the second wife and Alpaca are both domesticated

557 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:29:47am
558 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:29:55am

re: #544 VegasRick

GMTA?

Now, that's really fucked up./s

559 wiffersnapper  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:30:39am

Excellent!

560 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:31:03am

re: #556 Creeping Eruption

Only if the second wife and Alpaca are both domesticated

Just the Alpaca then.../

561 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:31:15am

re: #527 Walter L. Newton

Fine, yes, Marxist tendencies, but that is not communism. The whole 1930's was full of Marxist-like federal policies, and it we didn't turn the country into a gulag.

Really, there is a difference, and even in the case of Obama, he is far from a purist Marxist.

Honestly.

There is a difference in what he can do, and what I think he'd like to do. It's his upbringing, his training, and his choice of associations. His language and first pass at policies and ideas is consistent with that.

You are correct about both the New Deal, another discussion but I think that all should be rolled back. Communism was also a very bad deal for all involved and we are there.

The most accurate label for Obama is that he is a Statist.
He believes in the State for solutions, over and above individual's liberty in an civil society.

562 Summer Seale  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:31:41am

Too many REs to go on so...

Chrome? Lets you install where you want, I think...*shrugs* I haven't had a problem. I love it. Google is actually evil, but less evil than others. It's the lesser of other evils, so I'll take it for now. =)

Also, Chrome rocks. It's based on WebKit which is what Safari is built on, so it's just as fast and stable. It's also opensource I think, so that anyone can grab it and add to it.

Firefox was doing great as an OS project, the same with most flavors of Linux. The only problem is that once you get a more complicated piece of software/organization going, you really start needing some CEO leadership at the top. Right now, most Linux flavors are stuck bickering since years about the direction of Linux. It seems like Firefox has the same problem because they hit a certain critical mass. OS is great to get bugs fixed up and the like, but for direction you will always need a sort of leader at the top. It's just the way things go. If OS projects that are that big had somebody at the top saying "Okay, we're going to keep it OS but this is the direction we're moving in", then they would be getting somewhere fast. But since most of them are commies to begin with (and I use the term affectionately as in...little amusing sweet and endearing pets), that isn't happening anytime soon. =)

P.S. Did I just frigging geek out or what? I don't even know much about this stuff...it's just stuff I've read about over the years.

563 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:32:07am

re: #554 Ward Cleaver

I like that too. I'll no longer have to drag the New Tab icon out from the toolbar customization.

I just use Ctrl-T or (Apple-T on Mac) to create a new tab.
Or right-click on a link and select "Open in new tab"

564 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:32:36am

re: #558 avanti

Now, that's really fucked up./s

It is. I just updinged you. Upsidedown world.
/

565 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:32:44am

re: #543 Kosh's Shadow

As long as your plant doesn't ask you to feed it.

He's safe as long as his name isn't Seymour.

566 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:33:03am

re: #545 Killgore Trout

We have enough squabbling on this thread already.

Don't start what you aren't willing to continue.

567 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:34:02am

re: #566 DaddyG

Don't start what you aren't willing to continue.

Don't state the obvious :) LOL.

568 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:34:13am

re: #562 Summer

Geek test:

If you look at this and want it, you are far advanced in geekdom.

[Link: www.hometrainingtools.com...]

569 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:34:43am

re: #564 VegasRick

It is. I just updinged you. Upsidedown world.
/

Clearly, Walter and I have our differences, he's a conservative ass hole, while I'm a liberal ass hole.

570 rightside  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:35:09am

re: #562 Summer

I downloaded it the other day, and it automatically installs it, it does not give you the option where to install, but anyway...

Are there images on your blog? I see none, so I have to guess you have them hosted on photobucket, or a similar site?

571 Summer Seale  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:35:24am

re: #568 Emmmieg

Geek test:

If you look at this and want it, you are far advanced in geekdom.

[Link: www.hometrainingtools.com...]

lol ok....that is definitely not something i want. =) i mean it looks printed nicely and stuff but......er...yea.

572 saberry0530  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:35:39am

re: #568 Emmmieg

Geek test:

If you look at this and want it, you are far advanced in geekdom.

[Link: www.hometrainingtools.com...]

WHat if you already have one hanging on the wall in front of your desk?

573 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:35:53am
574 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:36:01am

re: #569 avanti

Clearly, Walter and I have our differences, he's a conservative ass hole, while I'm a liberal ass hole.

You two seem to have something in common!
/

575 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:36:10am

re: #569 avanti

Clearly, Walter and I have our differences, he's a conservative ass hole, while I'm a liberal ass hole.

Avanti, you injure my sensibilities. I would never call you a liberal :)

576 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:36:35am

re: #568 Emmmieg

Geek test:

If you look at this and want it, you are far advanced in geekdom.

[Link: www.hometrainingtools.com...]

There's a song about that:

577 Summer Seale  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:36:37am

re: #570 rightside

I downloaded it the other day, and it automatically installs it, it does not give you the option where to install, but anyway...

Are there images on your blog? I see none, so I have to guess you have them hosted on photobucket, or a similar site?

My blog is NSFW. it's my avatar in Second Life where i create content and am known to create very nicely made skimpy outfits (amongst other things...) =P

That's my RL job.

And my site should be working...might be slow tho, I dunno.

578 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:36:44am

re: #568 Emmmieg

I think it is pretty cool actually

579 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:37:21am

re: #578 Creeping Eruption

I think it is pretty cool actually

I have the smaller version which I use when I teach my kids chemistry.

580 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:37:25am

How health care 'reforms' will mess with your coverage

Sen. Edward Kennedy's health proposal, the Affordable Health Choices Act, is now being marked up in committee, a first step toward a vote. Critics are mounting a battle against the bill's public insurance option.

But for patients, there's a bigger danger: a mandate that will limit your choice of health plans and restrict when you can see a specialist. You may be compelled to pay 10% or more of your income for insurance you don't want.

581 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:38:01am

re: #569 avanti

Clearly, Walter and I have our differences, he's a conservative ass hole, while I'm a liberal ass hole.

I don't like labels. I'm just a plain old A--hole./

NSFW (unless you turn the volume way down)

582 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:38:03am

re: #573 Ben Hur

Learn from France -- and consider banning the burka

Hitchens.

I sorta like this idea better:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "

583 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:38:08am

The volcano of puke blows again.

584 Summer Seale  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:38:21am

Anyway, I'm gonna have some dinner. I'm visiting Europe atm so I'm totally on Europe time and stuff. So it's dinner time here, almost...and I'm totally hungry.

585 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:39:28am

re: #540 buzzsawmonkey

I've been watching Beck lately and it appears (to me) he is attempting to be somewhat more reasonable. It could be he, through shock, gained attention, and he is now scaling back to appear reasonable. Much of the critique provided him here at LGF may have helped him recognize he was off the rails.

586 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:39:42am

re: #575 Walter L. Newton

Avanti, you injure my sensibilities. I would never call you a liberal :)

And I defended you just yesterday, I chased away a shit eating dog.:)

587 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:39:51am

re: #582 avanti

I sorta like this idea better:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "

Awesome!

I can sacrifice a goat in my yard while smoking weed!

588 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:40:14am

re: #585 unrealizedviewpoint

I hope so. I really liked the old Glenn Beck. The new one? Eh. Not so much.

589 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:40:55am

re: #580 jcm

How health care 'reforms' will mess with your coverage

Since Teddy is proposing this, I suggest we start referring to "TeddyCare". It sounds cute and cuddly, like a teddy bear, but really, Teddy cares as much about us as he cared about Mary Jo.

590 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:40:59am

re: #587 Ben Hur

Awesome!

I can sacrifice a goat in my yard while smoking weed!

I updinged that just on the basis of sheer weirdness...

591 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:41:06am

re: #587 Ben Hur

Awesome!

I can sacrifice a goat in my yard while smoking weed!

Jamaicans do that every day....no problem

592 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:41:11am

re: #573 Ben Hur

Learn from France -- and consider banning the burka

Hitchens.

From your link:

It is depressing that our President, in addressing the Muslim world, takes the most reactionary religious practice as the symbol of rights and identity. The klansman's hood, remember, is also the symbol of a white Protestant religious "identity" movement. We may be too constitutionally squeamish to ban the klan regalia outright, but we are entitled to our prejudice against those who choose to assert themselves in this way, and I would shudder for the country if this prejudice ever showed any sign of weakening.

I don't see it as "squishy." I see it as "firm."

593 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:41:16am

re: #586 avanti

And I defended you just yesterday, I chased away a shit eating dog.:)

Touche!

594 jcm  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:41:34am

re: #587 Ben Hur

Awesome!

I can sacrifice a goat in my yard while smoking weed!

Weed smoked goat BBQ!

595 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:42:00am

re: #573 Ben Hur

Learn from France -- and consider banning the burka

Hitchens.


that is a well conceived piece of writing by hitchens. thanks for posting it.

596 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:42:07am

re: #594 jcm

Weed smoked goat BBQ!

The more you eat, the hungrier you get?

597 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:42:52am

re: #594 jcm

Weed smoked goat BBQ!

Do we bake it?
No, no, no, no
Do we boil it?
No, no, no, no
We smoke it

598 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:43:06am

re: #585 unrealizedviewpoint

I've been watching Beck lately and it appears (to me) he is attempting to be somewhat more reasonable. It could be he, through shock, gained attention, and he is now scaling back to appear reasonable. Much of the critique provided him here at LGF may have helped him recognize he was off the rails.


I agree on this. Roger Ailes took our advice and dialed him back a bit.

599 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:43:12am
600 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:43:20am

OPEN QUESTION...

For the last few days, Killgore and some others have mentioned that LGF seemed slow.

It wasn't slow for me until last night, and now, it certainly takes a while for the server to respond to my requests.

Now other sites do this...

Did I miss something, is this a known problem, not a problem, ?

601 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:44:07am

re: #587 Ben Hur

Awesome!

I can sacrifice a goat in my yard while smoking weed!

Yes, to the goat sacrifice as per the Supreme court, pot by Rastafarian's in some area's and the Indians can use Peyote as far as I know.

602 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:44:17am

re: #2 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, wonder if this will fix some problems I have been having lately with my version of FF at home. Pages will load with undecipherable text, clearing cache, restarting will sometimes work, but not all the time. Seems to affect page ads the most for some reason.


Just logged in. Ever since I did the latest FF update my home computer is a huge mess. Pages not loading, or loading V-E-R-Y S-L-O-W-L-Y like a dial up. the weird text, shutting down, etc. You Tube is especially bad. I've used Firefox for many years and I don't remember an update that is so buggy...or whatever the term is.

603 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:44:31am

re: #583 MandyManners

The volcano of puke blows again.

That makes me think of Monty Python's Meaning of Life.

604 Kiernan  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:44:55am

Firefox 3.5 looks pretty good. But, it turns off the progress indicator, often referred to as the "Throbber", on the Navigator bar.
It does add the spinning wheel to the individual tabs.

To return the throbber to the task bar, right click on an open portion, (near where it used to be works), choose "Customize" from the drop down menu,
and then "drag and drop" the little wheel icon back to it former place.

Now you have booth

605 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:44:59am

re: #603 Mad Al-Jaffee

That makes me think of Monty Python's Meaning of Life.

Its just a little cracker . . .

Fuck off!

606 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:45:00am

re: #600 Walter L. Newton

OPEN QUESTION...

For the last few days, Killgore and some others have mentioned that LGF seemed slow.

It wasn't slow for me until last night, and now, it certainly takes a while for the server to respond to my requests.

Now other sites do this...

Did I miss something, is this a known problem, not a problem, ?

Correction NO other sites do this

607 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:45:16am

re: #601 avanti

Yes, to the goat sacrifice as per the Supreme court, pot by Rastafarian's in some area's and the Indians can use Peyote as far as I know.


Sweeeet!

Weed. Goat. Peyote. Puke. Rinse. Repeat.

608 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:45:18am

re: #600 Walter L. Newton

OPEN QUESTION...

For the last few days, Killgore and some others have mentioned that LGF seemed slow.

It wasn't slow for me until last night, and now, it certainly takes a while for the server to respond to my requests.
Now other sites do this...

Did I miss something, is this a known problem, not a problem, ?

It's caused by all of Avanti's updings.
/

609 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:45:27am

re: #600 Walter L. Newton

OPEN QUESTION...

For the last few days, Killgore and some others have mentioned that LGF seemed slow.

It wasn't slow for me until last night, and now, it certainly takes a while for the server to respond to my requests.

Now other sites do this...

Did I miss something, is this a known problem, not a problem, ?

If all sites are slow, it could be anything from your ISP to your system.
If some sites are slow, it could be your ISP's connection to the backbones those sites are on.
If a few sites are slow, it is probably those sites, but could be your computer.
I find all sites are faster after using NoScript; Flash ads really slow down web sites.

610 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:45:46am

re: #605 Creeping Eruption

It's wafer thin.

611 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:46:23am

re: #598 _RememberTonyC

I agree on this. Roger Ailes took our advice and dialed him back a bit.

He was particularly calm (and cool) on last nights Factor. Good job Beck!

612 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:46:53am

re: #609 Kosh's Shadow

If all sites are slow, it could be anything from your ISP to your system.
If some sites are slow, it could be your ISP's connection to the backbones those sites are on.
If a few sites are slow, it is probably those sites, but could be your computer.
I find all sites are faster after using NoScript; Flash ads really slow down web sites.

I made a correction to my spelling. It's "no other sites are slow."

613 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:47:03am

re: #606 Walter L. Newton

Correction NO other sites do this

How old is your computer and how much memory does it have? Big threads bog down when there isn't much memory.

614 ~Fianna  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:47:07am

re: #15 DaddyG

I've never messed with the browser on my PCs (all preloaded with IE) other than to update them when I got the automatic notice.

As a neophite I need some guidance.

What is the advantage to using one of these other free browsers?

I don't do any gaming on line (my kids sometimes do at home) and only rarely run video. I do try to call up large pdf files from time to time.

What say ye Lizard techie honcos?

I've been beta testing the new FF for a few weeks.

Before I start, I should fully disclose that I'm an open source evangelist, so I'm likely to be biased.

In terms of benefits - it tends to be a bit more secure (although to be fair, M$ has stepped up to the plate on this with the newer IE versions)... There are lots of easy plug-ins available for all sorts of things, including ad blocking (sorry Charles), the tab system that you're used to now in IE was a Firefox feature first and from a web developer perspective, they're all far more standards compliant than IE.

The new Firefox implements several of the WC3 CSS standards that Microsoft is years behind on, and some new ones, including a corner-radius property that means not having to use images for neat layout. That's far beyond what most people care about in a browser, but as an IT geek having to design things 3 different times (once for FF, Opera and Safari; again for IE and now for mobiles), I'm shall we say... less than partial... to IE.

615 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:47:14am

re: #605 Creeping Eruption

Its just a little cracker . . .

Fuck off!

Ahem. "A wafer thin mint."

616 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:47:50am
617 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:48:34am

re: #613 Kosh's Shadow

How old is your computer and how much memory does it have? Big threads bog down when there isn't much memory.

I'm fine, I haven't had no problems with my computer and Safari, for a matter of fact, I switched to Safari because it handled large threads better.

I've close Safari down and reloaded, it doesn't help. It's just LGF. Maybe I will restart the computer.

618 ~Fianna  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:49:00am

re: #24 SixDegrees

Upding for being a Linux guy.

619 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:49:13am

I'm going to restart my computer. BBIAB.

620 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:49:19am

re: #617 Walter L. Newton

I'm fine, I haven't had no problems with my computer and Safari, for a matter of fact, I switched to Safari because it handled large threads better.

I've close Safari down and reloaded, it doesn't help. It's just LGF. Maybe I will restart the computer.

Okay, who was emailing Walter molasses as a practical joke?

621 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:49:25am

re: #617 Walter L. Newton

Things improved for me when I rebooted my computer, so that's what I suggest.

622 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:51:04am

re: #620 Emmmieg

Okay, who was emailing Walter molasses as a practical joke?

No, someone jammed his computer. Lone Star?

623 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:51:16am

re: #618 ~Fianna

Upding for being a Linux guy.

Slackware all the way for me. If my company wasn't so MS-centric, that's what I would have on my desk right now. Only reason I have MS at home is because of my video game addiction. Everything else is Linux.

624 ~Fianna  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:57:19am

re: #106 Mich-again

67 and breezy here and the AC is in Off mode. The clouds have blotted out the sun for days. Is it still up there?

My ac wound up in the "off" mode twice in the past 24 hours. Power outage from 2330 - 0141 and another from 0802-0909.

Killing my SLA, too. *sigh*

625 Beldar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:00:09am

Yeah, I upgraded. Now my Juniper VPN doesn't remote desktop into my system at work anymore. IE8 is so screwed up on my system that it quit doing anything useful whatsoever. So I was compelled to install Chrome, and now I can VPN into work again. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next Firefox update in the hopes I can once again consolidate under one roof, so to speak.

626 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:00:11am

re: #619 Walter L. Newton

I'm going to restart my computer. BBIAB.

Does that involve pulling a rope ?

627 ~Fianna  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:00:16am

re: #113 soxfan4life

1. Blame Bush.
2.Talk about Republicans pushing deregulation and blame Reagan.
3. 0bama inherited a much bigger mess than anyone thought.
4. National healthcare and cap-and-trade will fix everything.
5. Legalize marijuana and tax it.

That would be my guess

I happen to agree with #5.

The main one that everyone's missing is that employment tends to be a lagging indicator. We're going to start seeing increases in other areas that will increase orders and payments for goods first, before firms have the money to hire.

628 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:01:49am

re: #627 ~Fianna

I happen to agree with #5.

The main one that everyone's missing is that employment tends to be a lagging indicator.


Funny, where have I heard that ? :)

629 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:02:20am

re: #373 Occasional Reader

Uncle Joe Stalin did the same thing.

Now, you see, that is where you need to deal with the Chinese.

At least when they bill the family, they only charge a minimal bullet fee.

Capitalism with a Chinese face.

630 Red Pencil  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:09:36am

On calling Obama a Marxist: Technically incorrect. I have seen no indication that Obama believes the proletariat will triumph over capitalism via armed struggle (the core of Marxist class struggle theory). He believes socialism will come about from above, as implemented by well meaning elitists for the benefit of the "masses". In Marx's day people like this were called "Fabian socialists". Marx (and Marx's true heirs, like Lenin) despised them. But the socialists of America and Europe today are (almost all) Fabians, not Marxists.

Ayers seemingly moved over the course of his career from being a Marxist (trying to overthrow the System through force and violence to achieve "social justice") to being a Fabian (exploiting the System to achieve the same agenda). From any evidence I have seen Obama has always been a Fabian.

631 ~Fianna  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:21:49am

re: #189 nyc redneck

they will out right lie. and are already doing so. i was listening to rush yesterday and it is journalistic malpractice w/ reporters saying b.s. like: people are enjoying their 'new frugality', that job losses are slowing, and that the stock mkt. has leveled off.
he also talked abt. the 372 u.s. cities that the labor dept. tracks. all have had an increase in unemployment.
and the state run media is lying abt. how good we have it.
in fact they are trying to convince us that it is fun to be poor.

It's not fun to be poor - I've been poor (as in living 3 months without power because I couldn't afford it poor, not I couldn't afford a latte poor).

But I do have to say that there are a fair amount of people who need to learn how to say no to themselves. It stinks for the responsible people that they took along with them when they ran ignorantly down the road to ruin... Taken on the whole, this mess is exactly what we had coming. From the .com nonsense forward, we've collectively decided that reality doesn't matter. You can't have a "new economy" based on companies that didn't actually make anything other than cute mascots and super bowl ads. You can't have an economy, new or old, that's based on people leveraging themselves to oblivion to buy bigscreen TVs, 3-week vacations and new cars every year.

Debt is a tool, not a way of life.

632 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:46:35am

re: #615 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ahem. "A wafer thin mint."

Fuck Off? Its been about 15 years since I saw the movie. Begging my pardon . . . .

633 ~Fianna  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:46:58am

re: #324 Occasional Reader

While that solution might seem drastic, there is a legitimate question about what to do with big, decaying cities like Flint.

OR - I read the original report. This plan is not something the Obama administration came up with. It was initially proposed in Michigan and part of the issue is density. There are so many areas that are so devistated that it's stretching resources like education and police services very thin in ways that make no sense. Local schools in some areas have such low capacity, they still need to keep them open, though, cause that's the zoning. Streets still need to be plowed and paved, even if they're going more or less nowhere. Utilities need to maintain lines that are only going to half or less the houses they were designed to carry, which means power's getting lost before it can get used...

This is an extreme idea, yes, but there are areas where it might be something worth considering.

Here's another issue, and one that I'm familiar with - Vegas's housing market is bad, and our neighborhood is in the top-10 foreclosure zip code list. It's going to stay there for a while, too, because such a large percentage of the homes are vacant that the area looks like garbage. Areas with few foreclosures are maintaining density because they look like nice neighborhoods. Areas with many foreclosures look practically apocalyptic. Trash in yards, broken windows, vagrants squatting. This was a cute older neighborhood when I moved. Now it's dangerous. I won't let Mr. Fianna walk to the grocery store anymore if it's dark out because the major street that the neighborhood lets out on to has had a lot of violent crime in the past 6 months.

We can't sell, unless we want to just stop paying and short sale or just turn it over to the bank and take the credit hit plus the loss of anything we've put in to the house over the past 5 years. (It's not that we can't pay, it's that we've been told that for personal financial reasons, we should seriously consider whether walking away is actually an investment. I'm not happy about that, but if vegas doesn't turn around in the next 18 months, that might be all we CAN do)

If someone offered me a trade in to another neighborhood at an equal or better potential investment rate, I'd probably take it.

634 ~Fianna  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:55:36am

re: #332 3 wood


Nationalizing health care? Not even close, they plan on taxing a lot of stuff to pay for their proposal.

Do you think that there are tangential benefits that will make up for that?

I'm inclined to be in favor of them doing something about health care as a business owner. I'm a partner in my firm and one of our biggest problems is hiring and retaining workers. We can't offer health insurance because we simply can't afford it. I've had it quoted out several times and it's just not feasible. That hurts recruitment/retention. It's almost driven the principles themselves out of the firm and back in to a traditional job because being without health care is scary. We go work for someone else, and that's somewhere between 20-100 jobs lost instantly, not including our own (that's an estimate based on what we personally employ and the value of our contracts to our 2 major suppliers).

I wonder what the cost to US businesses on the whole is. I'd speculate that health care is both a large part of what made auto jobs good jobs that helped build a good middle class - but also is part of what made Detroit less able to compete with Asian and European manufacturers. Where's the break-even point for that on taxes v. actual cost?

Also, how many people with good ideas can't or won't take the leap to entrepreneurship because they're afriad to lose health care? How many of those people would create jobs if they stopped working for someone else and hung out a shingle?

635 bobbuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:31:02am

re: #88 3 wood

Job losses mount:

Private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June: ADP

Prepare for the left wing spin machine to kick into gear. What will the talking points be this time?

Yes, but 42,000,000,000,000,000 jobs SAVED!

Oh, yeah, about FF3.5: I installed it. (I had to build it because they don't provide 64bit versions.) It is much faster than previous releases. The Javascript engine compiles instead of interpreting, if I understand it correctly. It has build in audio/video support so you can watch clips or movies without a plugin. The GMail add-on still works.

636 bobbuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:40:38am

re: #24 SixDegrees


I like Firefox because I'm a Linux guy and IE simply isn't available, and because it isn't a Microsoft product.

You can use IE on Linux with Wine and it actually works. Use the IEs4linux install script and it will download everything at once. It's about the only good way to access a page with ActiveX.

637 gregb  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:26:17pm

Add-ons win 8 to 4.

Works:
Adblock Plus 1.0.2
Flashblock 1.5.11.2
IE Tab 1.5.20090525
Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant 1.1
NoScript 1.9.5 (best piece of software ever)
TinEye Image Search 0.6
User Agent Switcher 0.7.2
Web Developer 1.1.8

Don't:
PC Sync 2 Synchronisation Extension 1.0.0.0.704
Norton Toolbar 3.5
Norton IPS 1.0
Google Gears 0.5.23.0

638 leftover54  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:23:00am

re: #536 DaddyG

I can identify with that.

And I thought it was just me... I'm debating as to wheter I should take the plunge here. Anybody else have a problem with 'myspace' ? My son visits there under his
profile. Every time he's finished - whether he 'logs off' or I just 'switch user'and I find that I always have to re boot. Every single stinkin' time. Otherwise the pages just hang, Outllook Express craps out etc. And it takes FOREVER to close out all the apps. running so as to restart. He tells me 'no one else's PC has a problem with it ! " in that 'why can't I ? Everyone else is !' tone. The old 'if they were jumping off the GW Bridge would you do that too ?' doesn't quite work as a come-back though (shout out to all the NYC area moms !) This 1st started happening when I switched from IE to FF - which doesn't necessarily mean a thing - but it's what I choose to blame it on ! Now that I see I'm not alone with experiencing these quirks with FF I feel I have a little 'back up' to my theory and I'm stickin' wid it !
Maybe the update will be just the thing...
Hope everyone here that's taken the update plunge continues to share any 'update' issues that arise - at least for a while. I'm a scared ! .Can't imagine what I'd do if a major problem arises - the web is my universe.

639 leftover54  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:30:49am

Can anyone tell me how to add an 'Outlook Express' icon to the FF tool bar ? In IE it was simple and I could just go into and click out of my e-mail program right at the top of the IE page. Of course they're both MS products, maybe this is why. I have the ability to add icons and all, there just isn't a 'Mail' icon from the list to > (add/move over) for me to choose - seems 'odd'. Also, I don't see an option to 'Send Page' or 'Send Shortcut To Desktop' from the 'File' drop down list (as in IE) although you can still 'Send Link'
or just bookmark the page. Am I missing some options that should be there ? Thanks for any tips offered...

640 pink freud  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:33:24am

re: #639 leftover54

Come over and post this in the LNDT. Someone there may be able to help ...and even if you don't get an answer right away, the thread will be active through late morning and you may have a better chance of getting an answer there.

641 leftover54  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 7:22:21am

Thanks Pink !

642 leftover54  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 7:24:28am

I fell asleep....snooze ya loose.

643 Edgerrr  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 10:27:36pm

I'm not a hakr like Charles but I'm no noob so I think I'll hold off for a few. Glad to hear so many are not having any probs with ver3.5 but I'm in the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" camp.
Been using FF for years (with Ad-Block...sweet add-on) and only use IE for Windows updates (FF has an IE-tab add-on that emulates the IE browser but haven't tried using it for Windows updates). Recently D/Led IE ver8 and it caused my XP Pro, SP3 machine graphics (P4 (3GHz, 1MB L2, 800MHz FSB), 2GB DDR RAM, and 7600 GT on 8x AGP, ) to slow down considerably so I removed it and went back to IE ver7. Another Vista x64 Ultimate machine seems okay with IE ver8...maybe because it has an i7-920 (rocks!), 6GB DDR3 RAM, and GTX-260 on PCIe x16.
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