Firefox 3.5
Firefox 3.5, a major update, has been released into the wild.
Firefox 3.5, a major update, has been released into the wild.
2 | BlueCanuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:40:57am |
Hmmm, wonder if this will fix some problems I have been having lately with my version of FF at home. Pages will load with undecipherable text, clearing cache, restarting will sometimes work, but not all the time. Seems to affect page ads the most for some reason.
3 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:42:12am |
What the hell. Downloading it now.
"See you on the other side, Ray."
"Been a pleasure working with you, Dr. Venkman."
4 | JammieWearingFool Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:42:47am |
My home machine is getting old and I've been having some problems with FF. Or maybe it's just the old laptop.
Whatever. I'll have to fire it up later and see how this works.
5 | BlueCanuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:43:11am |
Best of luck FBV. If all else fails there's Internut Exploder to get back here.
6 | rightside Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:43:29am |
I'm using it now, downloaded and installed it early this morning. All bookmarks and addons working fine.
7 | Mithrax Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:43:30am |
What the hell I'll give her a whirl.
Worse comes to worse, it don't work.
9 | OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:43:35am |
re: #3 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What the hell. Downloading it now.
"See you on the other side, Ray."
"Been a pleasure working with you, Dr. Venkman."
Knives, new software ... it's a brave new FBV.
/
How are you this fine morning?
10 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:44:05am |
I don't know a thing about firefox. Is it a different operating system or does it work with windows.
14 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:47:52am |
re: #7 Mithrax
What the hell I'll give her a whirl.
Worse comes to worse, it don't work.
I'm trying it out too.
15 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:49:32am |
I've never messed with the browser on my PCs (all preloaded with IE) other than to update them when I got the automatic notice.
As a neophite I need some guidance.
What is the advantage to using one of these other free browsers?
I don't do any gaming on line (my kids sometimes do at home) and only rarely run video. I do try to call up large pdf files from time to time.
What say ye Lizard techie honcos?
16 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:49:33am |
Like I said..." See ya on the other side, Lizards."
Re-boot! And surf no more!
17 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:51:08am |
No response? What kind of help desk is this anyway? /
18 | razorbacker Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:53:53am |
re: #17 DaddyG
I use FF and Opera, with IE used only for those websites that don't work well with the other two.
Using FF or Opera will cut down on the number of attacks on your machine. That is probably because fewer hackers use those browsers as opposed to IE.
19 | Mithrax Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:55:09am |
Hmmm. so far so good, except it switches windows when someone messages me in Facebook
20 | littleoldlady Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:55:40am |
So far, so great!
/...if it stops The Daily Crash I'll be happy
21 | Desert Dog Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:55:56am |
re: #15 DaddyG
I've never messed with the browser on my PCs (all preloaded with IE) other than to update them when I got the automatic notice.
As a neophite I need some guidance.
What is the advantage to using one of these other free browsers?
I don't do any gaming on line (my kids sometimes do at home) and only rarely run video. I do try to call up large pdf files from time to time.
What say ye Lizard techie honcos?
Firefox, Safari, Chrome, Opera are all alternative browsers, and IMHO, all better, fast and safer than IE. Download Firefox and try it out, I think you will like it better than IE. I've used it for years and love it.
22 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:57:05am |
Does FF or Opera work faster when the LGF threads get into the 600+ range? IE slows to a crawl and I can't see what I've typed for a good 30 seconds.
24 | SixDegrees Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:58:36am |
re: #15 DaddyG
I've never messed with the browser on my PCs (all preloaded with IE) other than to update them when I got the automatic notice.
As a neophite I need some guidance.
What is the advantage to using one of these other free browsers?
I don't do any gaming on line (my kids sometimes do at home) and only rarely run video. I do try to call up large pdf files from time to time.
What say ye Lizard techie honcos?
Firefox has the adavantage of plugins, little applications that graft themselves onto the browser and add features to it, like a bar with weather reports or tools for analyzing web page source code. There are now thousands of these. Firefox was one of the first browsers to add tabbing, something IE has finally caught up with. It is also more standards compliant.
This last can be a problem. A huge share of the Web gets viewed with IE only - something like 80% - and IE has been horrible about allowing non-standard extensions to HTML to flourish in it's browser. The result is a glut of pages that are viewable using IE, but which fail to display "properlY" in strictly standard compliant browsers. This is becoming less of a problem, as alternative browsers add "quirks mode" displays that mimic IE screwups, and as IE itself moves towards greater standards compliance.
Other plugin technologies - Flash, PDF viewers, and so forth - tend to be released for IE first, and often versions for Firefox are delayed or nonexistent, at least for less common file formats.
I like Firefox because I'm a Linux guy and IE simply isn't available, and because it isn't a Microsoft product. But in real life, for the average person I don't see much advantage, and there are several potential disadvantages to Firefox if the sites you visit host IE-specific pages. Which they shouldn't, but many, many do.
25 | BlueCanuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:59:35am |
re: #22 DaddyG
I have found FireFox to be a good browser for all sorts of sites. There are a few that it doesn't work on. Usually sites that are optimized for IE only. Other wise I have found FF to be good all round.
26 | Bea Rock Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:59:56am |
Firefox 3.5 is great. Faster browsing. I downloaded it on my husbands computer that runs XP and it is working a lot faster. The older version of Firefox did not run that well and he went back to IE.
27 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:01:30am |
Thank you for the information. I think I will leave the work PC alone and try it out at home later this weekend.
Much apprecation for the advice and insights!
28 | Mithrax Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:13:33am |
Ok, nobody's posted a message on either thread in the past 10 minutes or so.
Y'all wake up!
29 | littleoldlady Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:15:05am |
31 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:15:52am |
re: #22 DaddyG
Does FF or Opera work faster when the LGF threads get into the 600+ range? IE slows to a crawl and I can't see what I've typed for a good 30 seconds.
Try spy mode when the threads get long DG, much faster. I use IE here at work too but turnspawn2 uses firefox on the home computer and loves it.
33 | srb1976 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:16:41am |
Good morning,
Waiting for coffee to be done so that I can wake up before I wake the children up = )
35 | baier Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:17:26am |
Wow, early riser...Charles must be in training to get up early enough to watch the Tour de France.
36 | buster Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:18:11am |
I have been on the beta test for a couple of weeks and it seems OK. When I booted up this morning Explorer 8 asked to come on board. I downloaded it also. When I have the time, and desire, I can compare them.
37 | Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:19:31am |
re: #3 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What the hell. Downloading it now.
"See you on the other side, Ray."
"Been a pleasure working with you, Dr. Venkman."
"Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!"
38 | Ateam Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:20:31am |
re: #28 Mithrax
Ok, nobody's posted a message on either thread in the past 10 minutes or so.
Y'all wake up!
Foxes are foxy for the tribe/thread fire
40 | albusteve Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:25:18am |
I have a morbit amusement watching CA flatline....all these deep cuts in education, but legislators only give up pennies....btw the GOP has drawn the line
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
42 | Nevergiveup Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:25:49am |
WASHINGTON - The Justice Department is expected to release on Wednesday an internal CIA report on the agency's secret detention and interrogation program during the Bush administration.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Sure, why not, what could go wrong.
43 | BlueCanuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:27:14am |
re: #41 Mithrax
*passes BC a 24 for this Day of Days*
Make mine Upper Canada Dark please. :)
/micro brew, canadian, good taste. Better then that water they call beer from Molson's. :)
44 | razorbacker Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:27:57am |
re: #40 albusteve
I have a morbit amusement watching CA flatline....all these deep cuts in education, but legislators only give up pennies....btw the GOP has drawn the line
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
I see that they are going to have to issue IOUs
To conserve cash, State Controller John Chiang plans to issue IOUs by Thursday to the state's vendors, local agencies overseeing health programs and various recipients of state aid -- including the elderly and disabled and college students.He plans to send $3.36 billion in IOUs this month to help maintain $10.9 billion in other payments, including money owed to investors holding California's general obligation debt.
I'll bet that fixes the mess.
45 | BlueCanuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:27:57am |
re: #41 Mithrax
Forgot to ask. What is your pleasure? 24 or 40ozer?
46 | littleoldlady Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:27:58am |
BlueCanuck! :-)
Oh! Oh! I found a most excellent plug in! "Read Later". As someone who is addicted to the spinoff links it doesn't get any better than this...
47 | Mithrax Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:28:41am |
re: #43 BlueCanuck
Make mine Upper Canada Dark please. :)
/micro brew, canadian, good taste. Better then that water they call beer from Molson's. :)
Had it, wasn't bad. I think I tried a micro called "Warthog Ale" that wasn't bad either.
the Trafalgar Brewing Company in Oakville is pretty good stuff too.
48 | BlueCanuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:29:32am |
re: #47 Mithrax
Don't know if they make it anymore, just don't try Upper Canada Rebellion Ale.
/I did, and so did it.
49 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:29:57am |
re: #44 razorbacker
I'll bet that fixes the mess.
Didn't Sebilius issue IOU's to Kansas residents for tax rebates?
50 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:30:43am |
Good Morning Lizards! I haven't been outside yet, but It seems to be overcast and generally dull.
Anything earth-shattering happen while I was asleep?
How are you-all and what are we talking about?
51 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:30:49am |
Good morning y'all - from a very warm (71 degrees going up to 93 degrees) bright and sunny Charloot!
Hope everyone is doing well this morning!
52 | Nevergiveup Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:32:12am |
Sen. Daniel K. Inouye's staff contacted federal regulators last fall to ask about the bailout application of an ailing Hawaii bank that he had helped to establish and where he has invested the bulk of his personal wealth.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Well since he is not cheating on his wife, I guess no one will really care
53 | KenJen Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:32:14am |
re: #42 Nevergiveup
WASHINGTON - The Justice Department is expected to release on Wednesday an internal CIA report on the agency's secret detention and interrogation program during the Bush administration.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Sure, why not, what could go wrong.
"the forces of transparency within the Obama administration are winning over the forces of secrecy"..said ACLU attorney Obi-wan Kenobi.
56 | Mithrax Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:33:57am |
re: #48 BlueCanuck
Don't know if they make it anymore, just don't try Upper Canada Rebellion Ale.
/I did, and so did it.
Or look them up at Beertaster.ca
57 | Nevergiveup Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:34:00am |
59 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:34:45am |
re: #52 Nevergiveup
Sen. Daniel K. Inouye's staff contacted federal regulators last fall to ask about the bailout application of an ailing Hawaii bank that he had helped to establish and where he has invested the bulk of his personal wealth.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Well since he is not cheating on his wife, I guess no one will really care
It's more that he is not a republican. Barney frank did the same thing here in MA and no one said a word.
60 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:36:57am |
re: #55 ggt
Good morning ggt - I miss Obi-wan too - very, very much.
61 | Neutral President Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:38:07am |
I've been using the beta of Firefox 3.5 for awhile (still am on this computer), and haven't had any problems at all. I haven't noticed if they fixed the memory hogging problem though. I have been happy enough with it to stop cheating on it with that hussie Google Chrome though.
62 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:38:40am |
re: #59 soxfan4life
Baseball question:
I noticed the other night that Big Popi has lost a lot of bat speed. I could not tell if he's hurt or just losing it.
What's are you hearing, is he hurt?
63 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:39:39am |
64 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:40:28am |
re: #57 Nevergiveup
Obi Wan was the nic of an LGF poster out here and a personal meat world friend of mine. He was a true Gentlemen in every sense of the word. He was a Vietnam Vet who never bragged about his medals, who always treated people with at least as much kindness as they treated him, and he died of a massive coronary two years ago, this past March.
I know you didn't know this when you made your comment, so I wanted you to know this. I miss him very much and so does LGF.
65 | albusteve Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:41:14am |
history is dead...RIP
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
66 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:41:41am |
re: #63 3 wood I'm doing fine my friend - just sent you an e-mail before I climbed on board LGF, as a matter of fact!
How are you doing today?
67 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:41:43am |
re: #62 3 wood
Baseball question:
I noticed the other night that Big Popi has lost a lot of bat speed. I could not tell if he's hurt or just losing it.
What's are you hearing, is he hurt?
Haven't heard about any injury. He seems to have come around at the plate,I don't know if he was having problems early on with the wrist injury from last year. But after seeing the results this season, if I owned a MLB team there is no way I would allow any player under contract to play in the WBC. It hurt Papi,Daisuke, and others on other teams.
68 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:41:46am |
Want a laugh?
Just heard on WLS radio:
The weatherman was reading a forecast for rain and actually said:
"Today's showers will be in the form of rain."
Wow, really?
69 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:41:58am |
70 | Nevergiveup Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:43:09am |
re: #64 realwest
Obi Wan was the nic of an LGF poster out here and a personal meat world friend of mine. He was a true Gentlemen in every sense of the word. He was a Vietnam Vet who never bragged about his medals, who always treated people with at least as much kindness as they treated him, and he died of a massive coronary two years ago, this past March.
I know you didn't know this when you made your comment, so I wanted you to know this. I miss him very much and so does LGF.
OK. Good to know.Thanks
71 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:43:12am |
re: #68 3 wood
Want a laugh?
Just heard on WLS radio:
The weatherman was reading a forecast for rain and actually said:
"Today's showers will be in the form of rain."
Wow, really?
And yet it won't affect Blago's hairdo.
72 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:43:46am |
re: #68 3 wood
Want a laugh?
Just heard on WLS radio:
The weatherman was reading a forecast for rain and actually said:
"Today's showers will be in the form of rain."
Wow, really?
What, Daley won't be dropping money from the sky today?
73 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:44:01am |
re: #69 ggt I'm ok, I guess, more melancholy since you mentioned Obi-wan, but otherwise ok.
He's on The LGF Prayer List, under In Memoriam and I pray for everyone on that list every night.
74 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:45:41am |
re: #67 soxfan4life
Well, I would not look for a whole lot of production out of him for the time being. And once the pitchers recognize his slower bat speed, they will eat him up with inside fastballs and sliders. He can't get around on them now.
75 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:45:43am |
re: #70 Nevergiveup
You're quite welcome - I wish you could have known him - even if only on LGF - you would have been enriched by "knowing him" even just as a poster out here.
76 | Lincolntf Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:46:18am |
77 | razorbacker Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:46:31am |
Reports show the market is deteriorating at a slower pace
I will mention that if you cut an artery, at first the blood will spurt really high, but as you bleed out the blood spurts less and less.
That does not mean that you are getting better. That means that you are dying.
78 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:47:22am |
re: #64 realwest
I know you didn't know this when you made your comment, so I wanted you to know this. I miss him very much and so does LGF.
Obi was a classy guy in every sense of the word.
80 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:47:55am |
re: #74 3 wood
Well, I would not look for a whole lot of production out of him for the time being. And once the pitchers recognize his slower bat speed, they will eat him up with inside fastballs and sliders. He can't get around on them now.
The move down in the order seems to have helped. To me it seems as though he hasn't been able to catch up to the inside fastball for a couple of years. I think we are beginning to see the end for Papi unless the Sox get another Manny type hitter to protect him.
81 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:48:24am |
re: #73 realwest
I'm ok, I guess, more melancholy since you mentioned Obi-wan, but otherwise ok.
He's on The LGF Prayer List, under In Memoriam and I pray for everyone on that list every night.
Sorry RW.
82 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:50:15am |
re: #76 Lincolntf
Since Billy Bulger left office Howie has had to find new targets. What did you think of his nickname the corrupt midget?
83 | KenJen Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:50:46am |
84 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:51:17am |
Good morning, everyone. It's shaping up to be a nice, sticky day here in DC, and a thank whichever deity is looking down upon me that I work inside. I hope everyone is having a good day (or night, depending on the timezone)!
85 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:54:10am |
re: #84 MrSilverDragon
Good morning, everyone. It's shaping up to be a nice, sticky day here in DC, and a thank whichever deity is looking down upon me that I work inside. I hope everyone is having a good day (or night, depending on the timezone)!
What, did the President resign? Al Franken wins the Senate seat and the Dem's have a super majority. And yet 0's policies suck so bad that he is looking for Republican support so he has a fallback for the blame. Any GOP Congressman that falls for it needs to be voted out ASAP.
86 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:54:53am |
re: #81 ggt Oh, no, I didn't mean to make you feel bad, just stating that your comment - obviously unknowingly - made me feel that way!
I never heard of the guy until that link - seems an interesting sort - doesn't believe in ID, does believe in Science and Freedom of Speech and MANIFESTLY does not belong in an "academic culture". That the college paper would purge all of it's articles about or by him speaks volumes about what it was he had to say, even though I think he could have found a more diplomatic approach with his language! LOL!
87 | Lincolntf Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:54:56am |
re: #82 soxfan4life
Thought it was great. Another arrogant bastard/criminal that Howie wasn't afraid to tell the truth about. That's how I ended up referring to Bulger myself for the last couple years of his reign.
Carr is pretty fearless considering that he has to work/socialize in the same City that all his targets inhabit. Especially in a "small-town" City like Boston where everybody knows everything about everybody else.
88 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:55:43am |
Job losses mount:
Private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June: ADP
Companies in the U.S. private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June, according to the ADP employment report released Wednesday.
The report comes one day before the Labor Department reports on nonfarm payroll growth for June.
The decline in employment was close to the consensus forecast of Wall Street economists surveyed by MarketWatch for a decline of 498,000.
Over the past three months, monthly employment losses have averaged 492,000. This is an improvement from the first quarter's average 691,000 monthly job losses.
Although many economists say the economy is improving, the labor market has shown no signs of life.
"Despite some recent indications that economic activity is stabilizing, employment, which usually trails overall economic activity, is likely to decline for at least several more months, although perhaps not as rapidly as during the last six months," said Joel Prakken, chairman of Macroeconomic Advisers LLC, which created the report.
Economists expect payroll employment to drop by 325,000 in June and for the unemployment rate to rise to 9.6%.
Prepare for the left wing spin machine to kick into gear. What will the talking points be this time?
89 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:56:41am |
re: #88 3 wood
Job losses mount:
Private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June: ADP
Prepare for the left wing spin machine to kick into gear. What will the talking points be this time?
Let's ask Avanti.
90 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:56:46am |
re: #85 soxfan4life
What, did the President resign? Al Franken wins the Senate seat and the Dem's have a super majority. And yet 0's policies suck so bad that he is looking for Republican support so he has a fallback for the blame. Any GOP Congressman that falls for it needs to be voted out ASAP.
I said "good" day, not "oh my goodness maybe the world is turning around and getting on the right track for once because there's so much irritating crap going on that needs to be fixed" day... :)
91 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:56:49am |
re: #80 soxfan4life
The move down in the order seems to have helped. To me it seems as though he hasn't been able to catch up to the inside fastball for a couple of years. I think we are beginning to see the end for Papi unless the Sox get another Manny type hitter to protect him.
The Saaawks may need to eat some contract and try to trade him for some prospects.
92 | Ojoe Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:56:53am |
93 | albusteve Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:57:26am |
to coupe or not to coupe?...Honduras tells OAS to pound sand....from Hot Air
[Link: hotair.com...]
94 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:57:53am |
re: #87 Lincolntf
Thought it was great. Another arrogant bastard/criminal that Howie wasn't afraid to tell the truth about. That's how I ended up referring to Bulger myself for the last couple years of his reign.
Carr is pretty fearless considering that he has to work/socialize in the same City that all his targets inhabit. Especially in a "small-town" City like Boston where everybody knows everything about everybody else.
The only thing I never agreed with was the outrage over Billy refusing to give up Whitey. Sorry, but if the F.B.I. let my brother slip through their fingers I'd never give them the information either. Guess it's the Irish blood in me.
96 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:57:58am |
re: #89 Walter L. Newton
Good morning Walter - I don't know if we can, avanti ususally shows up after 3 wood has left the building.
97 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:58:08am |
98 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:58:16am |
Oh, joy. The Kid got up coughing and puking this morning. Poor guy.
99 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:58:37am |
re: #88 3 wood
Job losses mount:
Private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June: ADP
Prepare for the left wing spin machine to kick into gear. What will the talking points be this time?
Don't worry, but the end of the summer, 14.5 million out of work Americans will be trained in how to apply weather stripping to windows and doors.
Then we just have to find a way to force people into paying for re-winterizing their homes.
100 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:59:14am |
re: #88 3 wood
Job losses mount:
Private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June: ADP
Prepare for the left wing spin machine to kick into gear. What will the talking points be this time?
President Hopeandchange's useful idiot will say the President warned us that unemployment was going to 10%. Then the word "inherited" will be spoken.
101 | Ojoe Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:59:38am |
102 | albusteve Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:59:50am |
re: #96 realwest
Good morning Walter - I don't know if we can, avanti ususally shows up after 3 wood has left the building.
very keen point...I've noticed myself
103 | ErnieG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:00:07am |
I've been using Firefox 3.5 (beta) for over a month now with no problems. The NoScript plugin is particularly useful when going to new sites, as it blocks annoying jumps to new pages that can evade the normal popup blocker.
104 | KenJen Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:00:26am |
re: #88 3 wood
"Things have to get worse before they get better. So these numbers show were moving in the right direction. I am not deeply concerned."-Obama.
105 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:01:03am |
re: #88 3 wood
Hey my friend, you left out some interesting data from your link: Employment in the service-providing sector in June fell by 223,000. The goods-producing sector declined 250,000, and employment in factories dropped 146,000.
Employment in manufacturing has declined for 40 straight months.
Large businesses saw employment fall by 91,000. Medium-sized firms declined 205,000, and small firms dropped 177,000.
Do you know what the current rate of unemployment is (we'll skip the underemployment situation for now)?
106 | Mich-again Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:01:57am |
re: #84 MrSilverDragon
Good morning, everyone. It's shaping up to be a nice, sticky day here in DC, and a thank whichever deity is looking down upon me that I work inside. I hope everyone is having a good day (or night, depending on the timezone)!
67 and breezy here and the AC is in Off mode. The clouds have blotted out the sun for days. Is it still up there?
107 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:02:01am |
re: #92 Ojoe
Another great photo! Thanks and how are you this morning Ojoe?
108 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:02:21am |
I posted this last night, but in case anybody missed it:
Gannett to cut more than 1,000 jobs: WSJ
Newspaper publisher Gannett Co. will cut more than 1,000 jobs, according to a media report published Tuesday. The online edition of The Wall Street Journal, citing an unnamed source, reported that Gannett will make the cuts at its U.S. Community Publishing division, which consists of more than 80 local daily papers. Gannett, like other newspaper publishers, is suffering from a decline in advertising revenue. The company cut more than 10% of its 41,500 employees last year, and had been widely expected to make further reductions.
I guess that Obama stimulus plan has not yet worked out for them.
109 | ErnieG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:02:26am |
For those of us on the East Coast, it's good to see a new thread start before noon.
110 | Lincolntf Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:02:33am |
re: #93 albusteve
The notion of the two foreign Presidents and the reps from the UN and OAS joining Zelaya on his return has debacle written all over it. I can't see it happening. I think Zelaya should cut his losses, use some of the money he's no doubt stolen/accepted as bribes throughout his career and set himself up for a nice, quiet retirement on some Caribbean island. He's only got 6 months left in his term anyway.
111 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:03:03am |
re: #77 razorbacker
Reports show the market is deteriorating at a slower pace
I will mention that if you cut an artery, at first the blood will spurt really high, but as you bleed out the blood spurts less and less.
That does not mean that you are getting better. That means that you are dying.
The bad news has to become less bad before it become good news. Jobs losses have to go down, before they become job increases.
Watch the market today, and especially tomorrow when the big job numbers come out.
I had just finished reading a optimistic report from my broker, and at the same time saw a guy on Fox talking about a depression. IMHO, you should do your homework if you are in the market and don't just trust one source.
112 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:03:09am |
re: #99 Walter L. Newton
Then we just have to find a way to force people into paying for re-winterizing their homes.
Ergo, Cap and Trade.
113 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:03:27am |
re: #88 3 wood
Job losses mount:
Private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June: ADP
Prepare for the left wing spin machine to kick into gear. What will the talking points be this time?
1. Blame Bush.
2.Talk about Republicans pushing deregulation and blame Reagan.
3. 0bama inherited a much bigger mess than anyone thought.
4. National healthcare and cap-and-trade will fix everything.
5. Legalize marijuana and tax it.
That would be my guess
114 | Ojoe Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:04:05am |
re: #107 realwest
I'm fine, & chasing a job. I really should not read about employment figures though.
Hope you are doing well.
115 | Lincolntf Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:04:23am |
re: #94 soxfan4life
Yeah, in that matter the FBI was just as corrupt and criminal as any of the mobsters. My loathing of Bulger was fueled by his own corruption, not Whitey's.
116 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:04:33am |
re: #100 Cannadian Club Akbar
President Hopeandchange's useful idiot will say the President warned us that unemployment was going to 10%. Then the word "inherited" will be spoken
Yeah, I bet that's the way they go.
117 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:04:51am |
re: #112 3 wood
Why 3 wood, y'all ought to check out #111 by avanti!
118 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:04:56am |
re: #99 Walter L. Newton
Don't worry, but the end of the summer, 14.5 million out of work Americans will be trained in how to apply weather stripping to windows and doors.
Then we just have to find a way to force people into paying for re-winterizing their homes.
Morning all, Hey Walter did you know part of this cap and tax bill has a provision that if you sell your home it first has to be brought up to Title 26 (high efficiency) standards? Yeah, even single pane windows will have to be changed out to dual pane, insulation in all the walls and ceiling, air tight duct work, air tight doors and outlets. Then the thing has to be entirely inspected by a licensed energy auditor and checked off before you can put it on the market..
119 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:05:39am |
re: #100 Cannadian Club Akbar
President Hopeandchange's useful idiot will say the President warned us that unemployment was going to 10%. Then the word "inherited" will be spoken.
I thought the reason he ramrodded us with the Stimulus was to make 8% the high water mark.
120 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:06:06am |
re: #96 realwest
Good morning Walter - I don't know if we can, avanti ususally shows up after 3 wood has left the building.
Er, that was sort of a rhetorical comment. I know what his comment will be, considering his past remarks on employment. He's going to say that job recovery is always 6 months behind economic recovery, which he has been saying for 2 months now, so he keeps moving the target.
Businesses are NOT going to invest money in new employees, especially if they have been overstaffed in the first place, which a lot of American businesses are.
Many companies, already over staffed, getting any stimulus money, is going to be careful, because the bottom line is the stock holders and high level officers are going to worry first about their jobs and salaries.
So, they will continue to cut jobs, trim the work force and make their business leaner. People are still going to suffer (although this may bode well way down the road in the future, a lean company is good).
But, in my opinion, from what I put together in my head, this trend of job loss will continue, stimulus money will be sat on and future plans and policies by the Obama administration will only embolden us to the soft-socialism that they are trying to ingrain in our lives.
121 | BlueCanuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:06:12am |
Gah! Some security guards should never be hired in the first place. Bunch of contractors in doing some needed work while every one is away on holiday. Extra guard in to watch them. Of course I catch him sawing logs when I go on patrol. Where do they find these guys anyway?
122 | Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:06:14am |
Downloading Firefox 3.5 right now, with a bunch of tabs open. Living dangerously.
123 | albusteve Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:06:19am |
re: #110 Lincolntf
The notion of the two foreign Presidents and the reps from the UN and OAS joining Zelaya on his return has debacle written all over it. I can't see it happening. I think Zelaya should cut his losses, use some of the money he's no doubt stolen/accepted as bribes throughout his career and set himself up for a nice, quiet retirement on some Caribbean island. He's only got 6 months left in his term anyway.
the never ending saga of Latin politics...you are exactly right...some typical alternatives are definately not good for despots...go write a book or fish
124 | KenJen Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:06:33am |
re: #111 avanti
The bad news has to become less bad before it become good news. Jobs losses have to go down, before they become job increases.
Watch the market today, and especially tomorrow when the big job numbers come out.
I had just finished reading a optimistic report from my broker, and at the same time saw a guy on Fox talking about a depression. IMHO, you should do your homework if you are in the market and don't just trust one source.
Funny you say that. See my #104. I was being sarcastic.
125 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:06:42am |
Hey Lizards, scroll down to "Death of a Civilization" and tell me what you think.
126 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:06:44am |
re: #105 realwest
Do you know what the current rate of unemployment is (we'll skip the underemployment situation for now)?
Between 9.6% and 10%. The official number should be released within a day or two.
127 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:06:54am |
re: #111 avanti
The bad news has to become less bad before it become good news.
You're fucking brilliant.
128 | Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:07:40am |
Okay, here goes the "Restart Firefox Now". Let's see what happens.
129 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:07:44am |
re: #126 3 wood
Between 9.6% and 10%. The official number should be released within a day or two.
What's the real number including the peoplel no longer eligible for benefits?
130 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:07:49am |
re: #88 3 wood
Job losses mount:
Private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June: ADP
Prepare for the left wing spin machine to kick into gear. What will the talking points be this time?
Ignore both the right and left spin machines and watch the markets. The guys with the money on the line will vote with their dollars, not their political leanings. BTW, the slowing job losses are good news IMHO, but I'll watch the markets too.
131 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:07:57am |
re: #118 turn
Morning all, Hey Walter did you know part of this cap and tax bill has a provision that if you sell your home it first has to be brought up to Title 26 (high efficiency) standards? Yeah, even single pane windows will have to be changed out to dual pane, insulation in all the walls and ceiling, air tight duct work, air tight doors and outlets. Then the thing has to be entirely inspected by a licensed energy auditor and checked off before you can put it on the market..
Bingo, 14.5 million new jobs, as soon as people figure some way to see homes that have halved in value. Yep, that's the ticket.
132 | Lincolntf Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:08:29am |
re: #119 soxfan4life
It was.
Obama's lie that the only way to keep unemployment from reaching 8% was to ram through his stimulus package (unread) will never, ever be brought up by the MSM, but it's in the historical record for everyone to see.
133 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:08:30am |
I tell kids are rebelling young and younger these days.
Getting dressed this morning, I say "And you leave those socks on!"
She looks at me and says "PHFFFFFBBBBBT!" whips the sock off and waves it around like a trophy.
What can you do with a 8 month old?
134 | razorbacker Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:08:30am |
re: #111 avanti
The bad news has to become less bad before it become good news. Jobs losses have to go down, before they become job increases.
Watch the market today, and especially tomorrow when the big job numbers come out.
I had just finished reading a optimistic report from my broker, and at the same time saw a guy on Fox talking about a depression. IMHO, you should do your homework if you are in the market and don't just trust one source.
If it is all the same to you, Avanti, I'll continue to scan your posts for informative and entertaining news regarding Studebakers and Packards.
Economic news, not so much.
136 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:09:03am |
re: #106 Mich-again
67 and breezy here and the AC is in Off mode. The clouds have blotted out the sun for days. Is it still up there?
It's been off/on around here, sun peeks out, clouds take over, rain falls, sun comes back... we're due for a potential storm here later today (and judging from the humidity, it's gonna happen) but I'm ok w/ that, because I have some tomatoes and zucchini, which will happily soak in the rain.
I'm so glad I got my green thumb back!
137 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:09:25am |
re: #131 Walter L. Newton
Bingo, 14.5 million new jobs, as soon as people figure some way to see homes that have halved in value. Yep, that's the ticket.
No really you have to spend money in order to sell your home which you will lose money on, makes perfect sense.No wonder we are where we are today.///////
139 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:09:59am |
It's officially Obama's economy now.White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs yesterday on MSNBC, on when the public can judge the success of the stimulus: "I think we should begin to judge it now."
140 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:10:26am |
re: #54 Pianobuff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubifex_tubifex seems to be the consensus of the web hits about this vid. They are clustered together in the video in their cyst like state and stimulating them makes them all react together resulting in the muscle like movement.
Ick anyway.
141 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:10:33am |
Well, I updated to 3.5 this AM, and it wasn't exactly smooth sailing. It wouldn't reinitialize after rebooting, so I reinstalled a second time. That seemed to do the trick, and it now runs a lot faster in getting pages loaded. We'll see if the rest of the bugs have been squashed - and whether it doesn't become the memory hog that prior versions were known for.
142 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:10:45am |
re: #118 turn But, but, but.........what about people who can no longer afford to keep their homes (perhaps due to one or more of the "breadwinners" becoming unemployed) - how can they afford to do all that work? And if they can't sell their homes then they literally go bankrupt. And if they can eek out the money to do all that work, how are buyers supposed to be able to pay the price for the home (which will obviously be higher due to the "improvements" made by the homeowner)?
143 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:10:52am |
re: #124 KenJen
Funny you say that. See my #104. I was being sarcastic.
Oh snap, my secret identity has been revealed. :) Trust me, the markets will give us the no spin tale.
144 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:10:52am |
re: #131 Walter L. Newton
Bingo, 14.5 million new jobs, as soon as people figure some way to see homes that have halved in value. Yep, that's the ticket.
I imagine some of them will actually become essentially worthless in that the improvements would cost more than the value of the home.
145 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:10:53am |
re: #133 jcm
I tell kids are rebelling young and younger these days.
Getting dressed this morning, I say "And you leave those socks on!"
She looks at me and says "PHFFFFFBBBBBT!" whips the sock off and waves it around like a trophy.What can you do with a 8 month old?
I'm told duct tape can fix just about anything...
/////seriously, do I really have to?
146 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:11:35am |
re: #139 jcm
It's officially Obama's economy now.White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs yesterday on MSNBC, on when the public can judge the success of the stimulus: "I think we should begin to judge it now."
Coming soon FCBBHO saying that is not the Robert Gibbs I know, while showing him the door and assuring us that his plans are still pointing us in the right direction.
147 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:11:47am |
re: #129 soxfan4life
What's the real number including the peoplel no longer eligible for benefits?
Well they fall out of the numbers, so it's hard to tell.
Between those out of benefits and the "underemployed" we are looking at numbers in the 20% range.
148 | Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:12:33am |
re: #99 Walter L. Newton
Don't worry, but the end of the summer, 14.5 million out of work Americans will be trained in how to apply weather stripping to windows and doors.
Then we just have to find a way to force people into paying for re-winterizing their homes.
Or move to some place where they don't have winter, like Costa Rica.
149 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:12:45am |
re: #120 Walter L. Newton
Yeah, I knew that it was a rhetorical comment; just playing around this morning is all.
But SERIOUSLY how are you doing? Well, I hope. How soon do you anticipate moving because of the GF?
150 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:12:54am |
re: #111 avanti
The bad news has to become less bad before it become good news. Jobs losses have to go down, before they become job increases.
Watch the market today, and especially tomorrow when the big job numbers come out.
I had just finished reading a optimistic report from my broker, and at the same time saw a guy on Fox talking about a depression. IMHO, you should do your homework if you are in the market and don't just trust one source.
60 (D) votes in the Senate.
Wait till Crap-n-Fraud kids in.
151 | Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:13:41am |
re: #141 lawhawk
Well, I updated to 3.5 this AM, and it wasn't exactly smooth sailing. It wouldn't reinitialize after rebooting, so I reinstalled a second time. That seemed to do the trick, and it now runs a lot faster in getting pages loaded. We'll see if the rest of the bugs have been squashed - and whether it doesn't become the memory hog that prior versions were known for.
Mine's up and running; the only fallout was that Refreshblocker is not compatible with 3.5. I'm running on Windows 7 Build 7229.
152 | Lincolntf Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:13:51am |
re: #139 jcm
Apparently the morning conference call with all of the Obama activists at the networks resulted in them deciding that today was the day to start pretending the economy was being fixed. If Gibbs says "today is the day to begin" you can be sure that the Government media will report exactly that.
153 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:14:03am |
re: #139 jcm
It's officially Obama's economy now.White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs yesterday on MSNBC, on when the public can judge the success of the stimulus: "I think we should begin to judge it now."
I think he's right. Smokes in Florida went up $1 a pack today. Went to Wal Mart and my smokes, name brand, were only $2.57. Marlboro Reds were $6. So it is working. OR, the manager fucked up and didn't change price in the computer. Suckers.
154 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:14:26am |
re: #134 razorbacker
If it is all the same to you, Avanti, I'll continue to scan your posts for informative and entertaining news regarding Studebakers and Packards.
Economic news, not so much.
That would be my recommendation, no one should manage their investments based on a political blog.
155 | Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:14:42am |
re: #152 Lincolntf
Apparently the morning conference call with all of the Obama activists at the networks resulted in them deciding that today was the day to start pretending the economy was being fixed. If Gibbs says "today is the day to begin" you can be sure that the Government media will report exactly that.
With Stephanopoulos leading the charge.
156 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:15:01am |
re: #133 jcm
I tell kids are rebelling young and younger these days.
Getting dressed this morning, I say "And you leave those socks on!"
She looks at me and says "PHFFFFFBBBBBT!" whips the sock off and waves it around like a trophy.What can you do with a 8 month old?
Gently place torso and head under arm and replace socks. Repeat until one of you is too tired to fight.
157 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:15:06am |
re: #142 realwest
Morning real, I hear ya. This makes a lot of sense doesn't it, step over dollars to pick up pennies. I was reading a few articles about this cap and tax bill, it is absolutely LOADED with pork barrel projects that were stuck in at the last minute to garner votes. What a friggin fiasco.
158 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:15:12am |
re: #93 albusteve
to coupe or not to coupe?...Honduras tells OAS to pound sand....from Hot Air
[Link: hotair.com...]
I agree with HotAir's analysis. The coup may not have been the right way to remove Zelaya, but a) it's now a fait accompli, b) Zelaya was himself trampling on the Honduran Constitution, and c) the proposed solution being pushed by the OAS and, implicitly, Obama's State Dept. is simply bizarre. The Honduran legislature and judiciary clearly don't want him there. Are we going to force him to be reinstalled?
This would be a fine time for Obama to follow that "no meddling" policy he likes to talk about so much.
159 | DeerMusic Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:15:16am |
re: #152 Lincolntf
I updated to 3.5 this morning and have had two 'program not responding' failures in the first ten minutes since.
160 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:15:37am |
re: #150 jcm
60 (D) votes in the Senate.
Wait till Crap-n-Fraud kids in.
Kills me to have to count on blue dogs and Specter for our financial well being.Some Senators are hearing from constituents that Cap-n-trade is not so popular so hopefully they fall back to self-preservation mode and let FCBBHO fail on Cap-n-trade.
161 | albusteve Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:15:51am |
re: #154 avanti
That would be my recommendation, no one should manage their investments based on a political blog.
that's not what he said....you are an oily sort
162 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:15:56am |
re: #155 Ward Cleaver
With Stephanopoulos leading the charge.
I read that as Snuffleupagus at first. That made it all the more amusing.
163 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:16:08am |
re: #130 avanti
Ignore both the right and left spin machines and watch the markets. The guys with the money on the line will vote with their dollars, not their political leanings. BTW, the slowing job losses are good news IMHO, but I'll watch the markets too.
I professionally managed several large fiduciary funds for over 20 years before I retired. For the last 5 years that I did that, one of my funds averaged a 28% rate of return every year.
I think I understand how to read the markets.
Thank you kindly for the advice though.
164 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:16:34am |
re: #139 jcm Good morning jcm - wonder if Gibbs has his resume ready to go!
165 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:16:40am |
re: #139 jcm
It's officially Obama's economy now.White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs yesterday on MSNBC, on when the public can judge the success of the stimulus: "I think we should begin to judge it now."
Okay, since we're judging the economy as of now. It sucks. He's given himself six months to realize he's the guy whose pay grade is responsible for everything - and has to take credit/responsibility for the economy, national security, foreign policy, etc.
Unemployment continues rising, and the porkfest has done nothing to mitigate the rising rates. Double digit unemployment is around the corner - in some places more than double what the average rates were during Bush's tenure. Yeah, take responsibility for that. The Blame Bush parade has run thin, since Obama's policy choices are showing just how inept he is in dealing with major issues of the day.
166 | razorbacker Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:16:47am |
re: #148 Ward Cleaver
Or move to some place where they don't have winter, like Costa Rica.
As the song goes:
Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker
You can drink all the liquor in Costa Rica
Ain't nobodys business but my own.
167 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:17:04am |
re: #163 3 wood
No, you only thought you knew how to read markets. Silly you./////////
168 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:17:05am |
re: #149 realwest
Yeah, I knew that it was a rhetorical comment; just playing around this morning is all.
But SERIOUSLY how are you doing? Well, I hope. How soon do you anticipate moving because of the GF?
I will be out of my apartment in Golden by July 31st. But, it could happen sooner, almost all of the "little" stuff is already moved, and all I have left here is a few bookshelfs, a sofa, a large bed and my computer set up.
I will still have internet access (Qwest DSL this time, instead of Comcast cable). My web site and email address will change, I will update everything in my profile at the end of the month, with new contact information.
169 | BlueCanuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:17:14am |
re: #156 DaddyG
Gently place torso and head under arm and replace socks. Repeat until one of you is too tired to fight.
My money is on the 8 month old. :)
170 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:17:59am |
re: #163 3 wood
I professionally managed several large fiduciary funds for over 20 years before I retired. For the last 5 years that I did that, one of my funds averaged a 28% rate of return every year.
I think I understand how to read the markets.
Thank you kindly for the advice though.
Ouch!
Next up: Avanti lectures realwest on jungle warfare tactics.
172 | DeerMusic Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:18:42am |
Robert Gibbs is in serious need of an UMECTOMY. I can't remember ever hearing so poor a speaker.
173 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:12am |
re: #163 3 wood
I professionally managed several large fiduciary funds for over 20 years before I retired. For the last 5 years that I did that, one of my funds averaged a 28% rate of return every year.
I think I understand how to read the markets.
Thank you kindly for the advice though.
Nicest "STFU" I've ever seen.
174 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:24am |
re: #172 DeerMusic
Robert Gibbs is in serious need of an UMECTOMY. I can't remember ever hearing so poor a speaker.
Just take the teleprompter away from BHO.
175 | Ojoe Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:26am |
re: #165 lawhawk
inept
Along with congress
Down with them all, and the civilian financial "leadership" as well. Regular good people are hurting through no fault of their own.
176 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:28am |
re: #163 3 wood
whoa, 28%. That's something to be proud of for sure 3w, you tell him.
177 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:38am |
re: #169 BlueCanuck
My money is on the 8 month old. :)
Smart money!
I will let my future grandchildren (none in the pipeline but we're estimating some will arrive in 5-10 years) run around helf naked and eat all the sugar they want. Let mom and dad deprogram them when they get home.
178 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:41am |
re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar
I think he's right. Smokes in Florida went up $1 a pack today. Went to Wal Mart and my smokes, name brand, were only $2.57. Marlboro Reds were $6. So it is working. OR, the manager fucked up and didn't change price in the computer. Suckers.
NJ imposed its tax hikes today (corp, pers, tobacco and liquor/wine), and a bunch of states around the country are looking at the new fiscal year without a budget in place because they can't agree on spending plans (tax and spend rears its ugly head). Worst situation remains in California.
179 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:44am |
re: #172 DeerMusic
Robert Gibbs is in serious need of an UMECTOMY. I can't remember ever hearing so poor a speaker.
Well, there's his boss... (aka The Wizard of Uhhhhs)
180 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:48am |
re: #158 Occasional Reader
I agree with HotAir's analysis. The coup may not have been the right way to remove Zelaya, but a) it's now a fait accompli, b) Zelaya was himself trampling on the Honduran Constitution, and c) the proposed solution being pushed by the OAS and, implicitly, Obama's State Dept. is simply bizarre. The Honduran legislature and judiciary clearly don't want him there. Are we going to force him to be reinstalled?
This would be a fine time for Obama to follow that "no meddling" policy he likes to talk about so much.
Wow, someone who understands what's going on? Yes, the media is not reporting this correctly. My girlfriend had to point me to looking into what is really happening, and guess what, the president was farting on the Honduran Constitution, period, the SAME way Chavez has been trying to do that.
181 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:19:53am |
re: #135 MandyManners
You're actually preaching to 3 wood?
I hope not, if I'm coming across as preaching, I apologize. I thought I was just replying.
182 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:20:19am |
re: #156 DaddyG
Gently place torso and head under arm and replace socks. Repeat until one of you is too tired to fight.
LOL, her main form of communication right know is PHFFFFFBBBBBT! She a real happy little critter with big blue eyes and blond hair that stands straight up.
I'm shopping with her, she smiling at every one. When someone says hi to her she responds with a big PHFFFFFBBBBBT!
183 | Pianobuff Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:20:19am |
re: #140 DaddyG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubifex_tubifex seems to be the consensus of the web hits about this vid. They are clustered together in the video in their cyst like state and stimulating them makes them all react together resulting in the muscle like movement.
Ick anyway.
Thanks for the link. No Lo Mein for lunch today.
184 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:20:27am |
re: #157 turn
Morning real, I hear ya. This makes a lot of sense doesn't it, step over dollars to pick up pennies. I was reading a few articles about this cap and tax bill, it is absolutely LOADED with pork barrel projects that were stuck in at the last minute to garner votes. What a friggin fiasco.
Well what do you expect with a 1200 page bill that was amened by Henry Waxman with a 300 page amendment at 3:09 AM on the day the House was to vote on it?
See, e.g., Stimulus Bill.
185 | Eowyn2 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:20:41am |
re: #137 soxfan4life
No really you have to spend money in order to sell your home which you will lose money on, makes perfect sense.No wonder we are where we are today.///////
there won't be many houses flipping.
186 | razorbacker Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:20:48am |
re: #170 Occasional Reader
Ouch!
Next up: Avanti lectures realwest on jungle warfare tactics.
Actually, I'd be interested in hearing Avanti's views on the mysteries of swapping Studebaker 289 engines for FoMoCo 289 engines.
If you save the Stude 289 to reinstall once you're though playing, it is actually a pretty elegant workaround.
187 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:21:09am |
re: #177 DaddyG
Smart money!
I will let my future grandchildren (none in the pipeline but we're estimating some will arrive in 5-10 years) run around helf naked and eat all the sugar they want. Let mom and dad deprogram them when they get home.
I've done that with my nephews before, as payback for my sister marrying my G.I. Joe to her Barbie when I was a kid.
There's just some things you just don't do!
188 | deermusic Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:21:22am |
189 | nyc redneck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:21:40am |
re: #88 3 wood
Job losses mount:
Private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June: ADP
Prepare for the left wing spin machine to kick into gear. What will the talking points be this time?
they will out right lie. and are already doing so. i was listening to rush yesterday and it is journalistic malpractice w/ reporters saying b.s. like: people are enjoying their 'new frugality', that job losses are slowing, and that the stock mkt. has leveled off.
he also talked abt. the 372 u.s. cities that the labor dept. tracks. all have had an increase in unemployment.
and the state run media is lying abt. how good we have it.
in fact they are trying to convince us that it is fun to be poor.
190 | looking closely Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:21:44am |
Loaded it this AM, and am using it now.
Its MUCH faster to load.
That's good.
191 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:21:55am |
re: #163 3 wood
I professionally managed several large fiduciary funds for over 20 years before I retired. For the last 5 years that I did that, one of my funds averaged a 28% rate of return every year.
I think I understand how to read the markets.
Thank you kindly for the advice though.
Pfft!
Amateur!
How many communities have you organized?
;-P
193 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:22:36am |
re: #184 realwest
Well what do you expect with a 1200 page bill that was amened by Henry Waxman with a 300 page amendment at 3:09 AM on the day the House was to vote on it?
See, e.g., Stimulus Bill.
Who (or what organization) actually wrote this bill?
194 | soxfan4life Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:22:43am |
re: #185 Eowyn2
there won't be many houses flipping.
What about people relocating for work? I wonder if there will be any provisions for soldiers who get PCS orders and have limited time and not a ton of money to do this type of BS. Not that Democrats give a shit about soldiers, sailors or airmen.
195 | deermusic Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:22:47am |
re: #179 Occasional Reader
Well, there's his boss... (aka The Wizard of Uhhhhs)
So, do we think BHO gave Gibbs lessons?
197 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:23:20am |
re: #168 Walter L. Newton
Hey that's great news Walter - I'm very happy for you!
198 | Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:23:22am |
re: #103 ErnieG
I've been using Firefox 3.5 (beta) for over a month now with no problems. The NoScript plugin is particularly useful when going to new sites, as it blocks annoying jumps to new pages that can evade the normal popup blocker.
I'll switch to 3.5 soon, but I still haven't switched to IE8 - I installed in on an older machine I don't use much, and my tests show one IE-specific site crashes IE8.
I love NoScript, but I wouldn't recommend it to someone who doesn't know much about computers, as it can be frustrating trying to get a page to work without turning on ads and other bad scripts. But it makes browsing much more pleasant and faster.
199 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:23:38am |
re: #187 MrSilverDragon
as payback for my sister marrying my G.I. Joe to her Barbie when I was a kid.
"Release me from your Kung Fu Grip!"
-Kathleen Turner voiceover, The Simpsons
200 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:25:05am |
re: #173 MandyManners
Very kind of you to say that, thank you.
201 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:25:17am |
re: #184 realwest
Well what do you expect with a 1200 page bill that was amened by Henry Waxman with a 300 page amendment at 3:09 AM on the day the House was to vote on it?
See, e.g., Stimulus Bill.
No kidding, the rep from Ohio held out to the last minute and they gave her 3.5 bil for a vote. This is a piece of legislation Waxman can really be proud of - spit. (that guy sure is is but ugly - ewww)
202 | gershon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:25:23am |
I lost Sage in the process; hope it comes back soon.
203 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:25:36am |
re: #189 nyc redneck
people are enjoying their 'new frugality'
I love it. People out of work during a GOP administration are impoverished. People out of work during the Era of The One are enjoying their new frugality.
204 | Pianobuff Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:26:05am |
re: #189 nyc redneck
they will out right lie. and are already doing so. i was listening to rush yesterday and it is journalistic malpractice w/ reporters saying b.s. like: people are enjoying their 'new frugality', that job losses are slowing, and that the stock mkt. has leveled off.
he also talked abt. the 372 u.s. cities that the labor dept. tracks. all have had an increase in unemployment.
and the state run media is lying abt. how good we have it.
in fact they are trying to convince us that it is fun to be poor.
Have you seen this from around a month ago in the LA Times?
For the 'funemployed,' unemployment is welcome
Yup, that's right it's funemployment.... wheee!
205 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:27:02am |
206 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:27:03am |
re: #189 nyc redneck
they will out right lie. and are already doing so. i was listening to rush yesterday and it is journalistic malpractice w/ reporters saying b.s. like: people are enjoying their 'new frugality', that job losses are slowing, and that the stock mkt. has leveled off.
he also talked abt. the 372 u.s. cities that the labor dept. tracks. all have had an increase in unemployment.
and the state run media is lying abt. how good we have it.
in fact they are trying to convince us that it is fun to be poor.
The State of Colorado is about 350 million under budget, even with the stimulus money (what ever, where ever it was given to us, for I don't know what). A few months ago, the state said it was going to be able to make budget.
Unless I am missing something, I keep hearing how things should be so "good" but down here on the street, in the states and local governments, I don't see improvements, I don't see it turing around.
I guess, paraphrasing Avanti about the job market, the economic recovery is always 6 months behind the economy. And you just keep extrapolating that out 6 more months as every new month passes. It all works out.
207 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:27:22am |
re: #204 Pianobuff
Have you seen this from around a month ago in the LA Times?
For the 'funemployed,' unemployment is welcome
Yup, that's right it's funemployment.... wheee!
The person who came up with that term needs to be flogged severely.
208 | Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:27:41am |
re: #118 turn
Morning all, Hey Walter did you know part of this cap and tax bill has a provision that if you sell your home it first has to be brought up to Title 26 (high efficiency) standards? Yeah, even single pane windows will have to be changed out to dual pane, insulation in all the walls and ceiling, air tight duct work, air tight doors and outlets. Then the thing has to be entirely inspected by a licensed energy auditor and checked off before you can put it on the market..
This will aid the construction market as older houses start burning down because bringing them up to spec will cost more than they'll sell for.
And historic houses will be white elephants. Can't renovate them, and can't sell them.
209 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:27:42am |
re: #170 Occasional Reader
Ouch!
Next up: Avanti lectures realwest on jungle warfare tactics.
LOL! Good morning O.R. - uh, I don't necessarily have a bone to pick with you, but I thought the Honduran Presdient was forcibly removed from office by the military on the order of the Honduran Supreme Court and was immediately replaced by the democratically elected head of the Honduran Congress. So how is that a coup, as opposed to following the rule of law in Honduras? Or is there news out there that I somehow managed to miss while trying to decide which meds I can do without for the rest of the year, now that mom and I are in the medicare "gap"?
210 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:28:00am |
re: #203 Occasional Reader
I love it. People out of work during a GOP administration are impoverished. People out of work during the Era of The One are enjoying their new frugality.
I bet there are suddenly far fewer homeless people, too.
211 | Eowyn2 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:29:03am |
212 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:29:04am |
re: #208 Kosh's Shadow
This will aid the construction market as older houses start burning down because bringing them up to spec will cost more than they'll sell for.
And historic houses will be white elephants. Can't renovate them, and can't sell them.
It will aid a lot of industries but will end up screwing the home owner.
213 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:29:08am |
Another sign that NJ Gov. Corzine is in trouble? President Obama is doing a fundraiser for the billionaire governor July 16.
They're calling it a rally, but it is a fundraiser. Obama hopes that his popularity will rub off on Corzine.
Yeah, that'll really work.
Obama's going to find that his coattails aren't nearly as long as he thinks them to be.
214 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:29:09am |
re: #210 MandyManners
I bet there are suddenly far fewer homeless people, too.
Persons with non-traditional housing......
215 | scottishbuzzsaw Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:29:30am |
re: #187 MrSilverDragon
I've done that with my nephews before, as payback for my sister marrying my G.I. Joe to her Barbie when I was a kid.
There's just some things you just don't do!
LOL! My brother never forgave me either!
216 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:29:31am |
re: #210 MandyManners
I bet there are suddenly far fewer homeless people, too.
Not where I'm from... I'm seeing a whole lot more panhandlers around today than I did last year. They're getting more aggressive, too. :/
217 | saberry0530 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:30:08am |
218 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:30:32am |
re: #209 realwest
but I thought the Honduran Presdient was forcibly removed from office by the military on the order of the Honduran Supreme Court and was immediately replaced by the democratically elected head of the Honduran Congress
That's all true, but the Supreme Court does not have the authority to remove the president under the Honduran Constitution (as far as I can tell). All the right branches of government were involved, but in the wrong order, so to speak. So... "coup", "botched impeachment", whatever you want to call it, the point is, it's done, and the democratically elected representatives of the Honduran people have made it crystal clear they don't want Zelaya back.
219 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:30:52am |
re: #163 3 wood
I professionally managed several large fiduciary funds for over 20 years before I retired. For the last 5 years that I did that, one of my funds averaged a 28% rate of return every year.
I think I understand how to read the markets.
Thank you kindly for the advice though.
Wood, sorry, I should have been clearer. My comment was simply my opinion, and I should have used the IMHO tag.
Don't be surprised if I still state one, but I won't advise you on the markets, and you stay away from old Studebaker restoration advice.
220 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:31:04am |
re: #193 ggt
Who (or what organization) actually wrote this bill?
The Democrats wrote this bill. Henry Waxman was in charge of this hit job, iirc.
221 | Eowyn2 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:31:22am |
re: #187 MrSilverDragon
I've done that with my nephews before, as payback for my sister marrying my G.I. Joe to her Barbie when I was a kid.
There's just some things you just don't do!
are you my brother?
222 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:31:42am |
re: #204 Pianobuff
Have you seen this from around a month ago in the LA Times?
For the 'funemployed,' unemployment is welcome
Yup, that's right it's funemployment.... wheee!
Bullshit. For the last 5 years, I have managed financially, picking up a contract programming job here and there, and for the last 18 months, working at the theatre.
But, I have not spent the last 5 years working straight 5 days a week, 40 hours a day, month after month.
It's not "funemployed" for me at all. I feel semi-retired and I don't like it. Right now, I basically have 4 days a week off (although I have some theatre stuff I do from home, and a occasional event in the middle of the week, like a classical guitar concert tonight), but it doesn't feel right to me.
I want to work 5 days a week, at least 40 hours a day, just like everyone else. It's not so much the money right now (I've downsized) but the self-worth, and I don't feel busy enough.
223 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:32:19am |
re: #210 MandyManners
I bet there are suddenly far fewer homeless people, too.
They decided to be people who chose to " get back in touch with nature before evil oil companies and coal plants pollute the pristine environment."
//
224 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:32:19am |
225 | jaunte Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:32:26am |
re: #209 realwest
Good morning Realwest; there is a lot of good detail on the Honduras story here:
Honduras: What was on the referendum ballots printed in Venezuela
226 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:32:46am |
re: #203 Occasional Reader
Yeah, hey even Allstate Insurance is on board with this one!
227 | BlueCanuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:33:05am |
re: #210 MandyManners
I bet there are suddenly far fewer homeless people, too.
Now they are alternatively employed entrepreneurs with optional housing arrangements.
/B5 political officer "Well all those problems go away when you rewrite the dictionary". sever paraphrasing....
228 | experiencedtraveller Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:33:09am |
By this time of the morning 20,000 soldiers were dead or dying and another 40,000 were wounded.
93 years go today.
We remember.
229 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:33:11am |
re: #219 avanti
Wood, sorry, I should have been clearer. My comment was simply my opinion, and I should have used the IMHO tag.
Don't be surprised if I still state one, but I won't advise you on the markets, and you stay away from old Studebaker restoration advice.
When was the last time # Wood gave advice on Studebaker restoration? Straw man.
230 | Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:33:21am |
re: #144 turn
I imagine some of them will actually become essentially worthless in that the improvements would cost more than the value of the home.
I expect the job prospects for arsonists will get hot.
Get the insurance money for something that can't be sold.
/no, I don't think it will be a good idea
231 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:33:27am |
re: #176 turn
whoa, 28%. That's something to be proud of for sure 3w, you tell him.
One of my favorite trades was this:
I saw an opportunity for an anomaly to happen in the bond market due to technical reasons (which I deduced by reading the market accurately) where interest rates were going to jump and bond prices fall for a very short period of time, and I mean for only seconds.
So I talked to my broker layed out the deal and got him set. Sure enough, later that day the anomaly happened.
We bought and sold the securities as of the same day, actually in the span of time of about 2 minutes. The net profit after commissions was a little over $28,000 and the principal actually never left my account cause we settled as of the same day.
That is an infinite rate of return, my friend.
When it was all over, my broker told me that the window of opportunity to do the deal was only about 12 seconds.
232 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:33:41am |
Here you go. This is the way to spruce-up the economy. Make everything a tourist site.
233 | Eowyn2 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:34:18am |
re: #214 jcm
Persons with non-traditional housing......
Please diagram:
The non-traditionally housed man worked at the corner of 15th and Lexington.
234 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:34:42am |
re: #216 MrSilverDragon
Not where I'm from... I'm seeing a whole lot more panhandlers around today than I did last year. They're getting more aggressive, too
But they now are invisible to the media, for some reason.
235 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:35:02am |
re: #222 Walter L. Newton
I can say I've seen one example of "funemployment"; young lawyers at the law firm of Skadden, Arps, who were offered a one-year furlough, guaranteed (well, sorta guaranteed) return after than one year, and payment of $80,000 during that year, plus continued medical and other benefits, AND servicing of their student loans.
If you're, say, 27 years old with no mortgage and no kids, that's a damn fine deal. Travel around the world for a year, get paid eighty grand, take up your job again when you get back.
236 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:35:02am |
re: #226 realwest
Crap, sorry O.R. hit post before I meant to! I mean Allstates' ads about how families are now learning that dinner at home followed by a game of somethingI'venever heard of before is more fun than dinner out and the movies; or it's a car is no longer a measure of how far you've come in life, but how well you're managing in difficult times.
237 | Lincolntf Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:35:21am |
re: #206 Walter L. Newton
This is how much money NC "received" from the stimulus: $6,089,387,000.
Six billion "free" dollars (over two years) in hand and the State University where my wife works just laid off 36 employees (inc. 16 faculty) on top of the .5% percent cut that every State employee took a couple months ago.
So where the hell is the money going?
238 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:35:34am |
The Kid's not a puker but, when he does, he does it thoroughly.
239 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:35:38am |
re: #234 3 wood
But they now are invisible to the media, for some reason.
It's those rose-tinted lenses, they must have gotten them in bulk.
/only 1/4 sarc
240 | Eowyn2 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:35:49am |
re: #222 Walter L. Newton
Bullshit.
I want to work 5 days a week, at least 40 hours a day, just like everyone else. It's not so much the money right now (I've downsized) but the self-worth, and I don't feel busy enough.
If you start working 40 hours a day, we will never see you.
/
241 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:36:24am |
re: #230 Kosh's Shadow
I expect the job prospects for arsonists will get hot.
Get the insurance money for something that can't be sold.
/no, I don't think it will be a good idea
I have an adobe home, I can't insulate it or burn it down. I'm so screwed. ha
242 | scottishbuzzsaw Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:36:41am |
re: #98 MandyManners
Oh, joy. The Kid got up coughing and puking this morning. Poor guy.
{The Kid} Hope he feels better soon, Mandy.
243 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:36:47am |
re: #236 realwest
Crap, sorry O.R. hit post before I meant to! I mean Allstates' ads about how families are now learning that dinner at home followed by a game of somethingI'venever heard of before is more fun than dinner out and the movies; or it's a car is no longer a measure of how far you've come in life, but how well you're managing in difficult times.
Ah, yes, seen that one... narrated by the guy who was the President in the first season of "24".
244 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:37:09am |
re: #220 realwest
The Democrats wrote this bill. Henry Waxman was in charge of this hit job, iirc.
Which democrats, back by which special interest groups? Seriously, I'd like to know who actually drafted the bill.
245 | BlueCanuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:37:09am |
re: #241 turn
I have an adobe home, I can't insulate it or burn it down. I'm so screwed. ha
A gas leak can do wonders. :)
/plus a little bit of well placed high explosive.....
246 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:37:16am |
re: #235 Occasional Reader
I can say I've seen one example of "funemployment"; young lawyers at the law firm of Skadden, Arps, who were offered a one-year furlough, guaranteed (well, sorta guaranteed) return after than one year, and payment of $80,000 during that year, plus continued medical and other benefits, AND servicing of their student loans.
If you're, say, 27 years old with no mortgage and no kids, that's a damn fine deal. Travel around the world for a year, get paid eighty grand, take up your job again when you get back.
Nope, wouldn't be for me. I would rather take a cut, and know that the firm needed my services, for what ever reason. I know, not reasonable, but that's me.
247 | Mithrax Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:37:20am |
re: #234 3 wood
But they now are invisible to the media, for some reason.
Plenty of wilful blindness when you're basking in the all encompassing light of The One!
248 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:37:26am |
re: #241 turn
I have an adobe home, I can't insulate it or burn it down. I'm so screwed. ha
Can you fake an earthquake?
/
249 | nyc redneck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:37:33am |
re: #196 Ojoe
I love my new frugality
/10
it is newspeak from "1984."
i really resent anyone telling me to "enjoy my new frugality." if i decide to take a vow of poverty that's my choice but it is very sinister for the state run media to work it thru for me and decide i should be cheerful if i can't buy food or pay my mortgage. it must be the new patriotism, like paying more taxes. this is what is coming as o spreads our wealth around and grabs more power.
250 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:37:50am |
re: #232 ggt
Here you go. This is the way to spruce-up the economy. Make everything a tourist site.
Come to Gary to see Michael's grave, but stay for the shootings.
251 | opnion Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:38:13am |
re: #209 realwest
LOL! Good morning O.R. - uh, I don't necessarily have a bone to pick with you, but I thought the Honduran Presdient was forcibly removed from office by the military on the order of the Honduran Supreme Court and was immediately replaced by the democratically elected head of the Honduran Congress. So how is that a coup, as opposed to following the rule of law in Honduras? Or is there news out there that I somehow managed to miss while trying to decide which meds I can do without for the rest of the year, now that mom and I are in the medicare "gap"?
Hi Real. It is not a coup as expected in banana republics.
The Court , Legislature & Army moved to defend the Constitution & nation from a Chavez type usurper. He wanted to rig a referendum that by law he could not call for.
Sorry about the meds.
252 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:38:15am |
re: #231 3 wood
no shit - talk about timing. 28k in one day with nothing leveraged, good on ya.
253 | albusteve Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:38:40am |
re: #237 Lincolntf
This is how much money NC "received" from the stimulus: $6,089,387,000.
Six billion "free" dollars (over two years) in hand and the State University where my wife works just laid off 36 employees (inc. 16 faculty) on top of the .5% percent cut that every State employee took a couple months ago.
So where the hell is the money going?
try this link...
[Link: economix.blogs.nytimes.com...]
254 | Mithrax Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:38:40am |
re: #248 Occasional Reader
Can you fake an earthquake?
/
I'll need about 10 chili dogs, lots of Frank's Red Hot and a side of baked beans.
255 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:39:08am |
re: #237 Lincolntf
This is how much money NC "received" from the stimulus: $6,089,387,000.
Six billion "free" dollars (over two years) in hand and the State University where my wife works just laid off 36 employees (inc. 16 faculty) on top of the .5% percent cut that every State employee took a couple months ago.
So where the hell is the money going?
down the rabbit-hole.
256 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:39:13am |
257 | BlueCanuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:39:38am |
re: #254 Mithrax
I'll need about 10 chili dogs, lots of Frank's Red Hot and a side of baked beans.
BEER! Don't forget the beer.
258 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:39:40am |
re: #212 turn
It will aid a lot of industries but will end up screwing the home owner.
Actually it WILL NOT aid a lot of industries as MOST folks who have to sell their homes will be unable to pay for those green Improvements. Instead it will further depress the real estate market (hurting buyers, sellers, brokers, mortgage brokers, lawyers, secretaries and paralegals at a minimum.
Course some of that "slack" will be picked up by folks involved in the bankruptcy business.
259 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:40:38am |
re: #238 MandyManners
The Kid's not a puker but, when he does, he does it thoroughly.
Is he running a fever? Might be the flu. Wash your hands MM.
260 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:40:53am |
re: #237 Lincolntf
This is how much money NC "received" from the stimulus: $6,089,387,000.
Six billion "free" dollars (over two years) in hand and the State University where my wife works just laid off 36 employees (inc. 16 faculty) on top of the .5% percent cut that every State employee took a couple months ago.
So where the hell is the money going?
I think I know where it is going. It gets into the pockets of the officers of a company or organization, maybe the high level managers, but the company will retain the status quo or less down in the trenches, and make due.
Contracting Firm A, who has been getting contracts from Satae City for years, is still going to get those contracts. But Firm A is not going to hire new employees, they are going to use the same number of construction workers that they have been using to service projects for years, these project never end, they just go on and on.
So, who benefits?
261 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:41:10am |
re: #254 Mithrax
I'll need about 10 chili dogs, lots of Frank's Red Hot and a side of baked beans.
He said earthquake, not a biological attack!
262 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:41:52am |
re: #218 Occasional Reader
"the democratically elected representatives of the Honduran people have made it crystal clear they don't want Zelaya back." [emphasis added realwest]
Ah, that explains why Hugo, Ortega and Obama are on Zelaya's side!
263 | BlueCanuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:43:13am |
re: #261 MrSilverDragon
He said earthquake, not a biological attack!
Well if it's declared a hazmat site, wouldn't that do the same?
264 | ErnieG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:43:23am |
re: #258 realwest
[snip]
...Course some of that "slack" will be picked up by folks involved in the bankruptcy business.
Your comment reminded me of something I have often wondered. If one is bankrupt and doesn't have any money, how do bankruptcy lawyers get paid?
265 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:43:46am |
re: #219 avanti
Don't be surprised if I still state one, but I won't advise you on the markets, and you stay away from old Studebaker restoration advice.
Deal.
FWIW, before I retired I also helped edit the quarterly client market status letter for a certain brokerage firm cause, as the firms Senior VP once told me when he asked me to do it, I had the best grasp of macroeconomics of anybody he had ever seen.
I'm not saying that to brag, I'm saying it so you understand that I generally know what I'm talking about when it comes to economics and the markets. And I can spot misinformation a mile away.
If you doubt me, just ask realwest, he knows my background in real life.
266 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:43:50am |
re: #245 BlueCanuck
A gas leak can do wonders. :)
/plus a little bit of well placed high explosive.....
The walls are 18 inches thick, a lot of high explosive might do it. I'll have to tell the story about how the guy who built my house made his own brick out of the soil in my back yard some day, I can't imagine all the work it took.
267 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:44:00am |
re: #264 ErnieG
Your comment reminded me of something I have often wondered. If one is bankrupt and doesn't have any money, how do bankruptcy lawyers get paid?
First.
268 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:44:09am |
re: #225 jaunte Good morning juante and thank you for that informative link!
269 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:44:57am |
re: #252 turn
no shit - talk about timing. 28k in one day with nothing leveraged, good on ya.
I also set up the deal while I was golfing. Cell phone paid off big that day.
270 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:45:04am |
The new frugality is the same as my old frugality - only now I have more worry for the future.
My credit score has tanked because I cancelled all of my major credit cards except the one I've still got a balance on and am trying to pay down. And my insurance company is slow to pay bills so I'm probably taking a hit with the medical providers.
I missed one payment on a store credit card due to the bill being lost (the 9 year old "helped" with the mail) and I they called the house morning noon and night until I was available. I Told them I'd already instructed my bank to pay twice the amount due. The rep then proceeded to grill me with questions about having problems paying my bill. I repeated, no my 9 year old lost the mail and you have your payment.
It seems everyone in the credit and utility business is hyper about getting paid but not so quick to pay their own bills. I don't like getting squeezed because I'm being responsible and make a rare mistake.
271 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:46:13am |
re: #258 realwest
Actually it WILL NOT aid a lot of industries as MOST folks who have to sell their homes will be unable to pay for those green Improvements. Instead it will further depress the real estate market (hurting buyers, sellers, brokers, mortgage brokers, lawyers, secretaries and paralegals at a minimum.
Course some of that "slack" will be picked up by folks involved in the bankruptcy business.
Add the forced improvements to homes being sold to this little item.
Dozens of US cities may have entire neighbourhoods bulldozed as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.
This will "freeze" lower to middle income people in their homes. Being unable to upgrade to qualify for sale. When all the jobs move away, they'll be underwater, a valueless home they can't sell. No available jobs.
You'll have large segments of the population dependent on the government for everything.
272 | jaunte Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:46:41am |
re: #268 realwest
You're welcome! I'm still exploring some of the other links from Fausta's blog.
One is a piece at TNR, which makes this interesting point:
This underscores a harsh reality for Latin American believers in liberal constitutionalism. Deep down, only Presidential Power is considered real power in Latin America, which is why only moves against the president are considered actual coups. Our constitutions generally define all branches of government as equal, but it seems some are more equal than others.
[Link: blogs.tnr.com...]
Sounds familiar.
274 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:47:29am |
re: #270 DaddyG
The rep then proceeded to grill me with questions about having problems paying my bill
And after your initial, humorous reply of "I spent all my money on weapons, ammo, and detailed maps of credit card customer service call centers" didn't draw the expected chuckle...
275 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:48:19am |
re: #248 Occasional Reader
Can you fake an earthquake?
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Talking about earthquakes and my house ... It wasn't long after I moved in when Loma Prieta hit. The day before I had completely gutted the garage and painted it (it's adobe too). After the quake hit I went in and found out there were cracks radiating from every door and window opening. I keep telling myself they are only cosmetic - right. Well at any rate the house was built in 1940 so it's held up to some real shakers.
276 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:48:32am |
re: #270 DaddyG
A few weeks ago I woke up one morning to find I had no running water in the house. I called the water company, and I'd been shut off. I guess I missed the bill. I payed up, they were really nice and waived all the late fees. At the end of the call they said "we can send a guy out to turn the water on again or you can just go out with a wrench and turn it on yourself." Portland is a strange city.
277 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:48:49am |
re: #273 buzzsawmonkey
It's Turtle Wax all the way down!
I'm still waiting for some car company to come out with (let's say) the Audi Poetic. That way, I can spend the afternoon waxing Poetic.
278 | Eowyn2 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:48:57am |
re: #235 Occasional Reader
I wish someone would pay me 80k for Working, let alone basking in the sun.
280 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:49:54am |
re: #265 3 wood
Deal.
FWIW, before I retired I also helped edit the quarterly client market status letter for a certain brokerage firm cause, as the firms Senior VP once told me when he asked me to do it, I had the best grasp of macroeconomics of anybody he had ever seen.
I'm not saying that to brag, I'm saying it so you understand that I generally know what I'm talking about when it comes to economics and the markets. And I can spot misinformation a mile away.
If you doubt me, just ask realwest, he knows my background in real life.
OK, now that I know your background, let me pick your brain and get back to my ordinal comment as a layman. My opinion was that the left and right will both spin the numbers to their side, but the market well tell us if the job loss news is perceived as good or bad. I know very little, so my comment might well be too simplistic.
281 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:51:20am |
re: #212 turn
I have an older home in a historic district and I've been doing quite a bit of renovations and improvements since buying. Insulating the attic, new doors, etc., and I'm doing them because I know I can save money in the long run with the higher efficiencies of the insulation.
The green I'm seeing is $$$ in my pocket. That it may save the environment is a tertiary concern since the new doors and windows look great, and the insulation makes the home more comfortable.
In other words - the whole notion that the new energy policies will spur creation of green jobs is pure unadulterated nonsense.
People aren't going to do home improvements when they don't have the money to do them - no matter what kind of incentives are present.
I replaced a garage door last year and missed out on a tax credit, but I've saved money because it's an insulated door - and the house is more comfortable and it's more convenient than the old carriage style door that was previously there.
This year, I'm going to get the credit for the entry doors that we're replacing. That means I can get a higher quality door for the same price. I probably would have gone with a different brand, but the credit (and a sale by the manufacturer) enabled me to do the purchase.
With the home remodelers and contractors I've spoken with, they're seeing a slow market, and maybe a sign of improvement since people are less likely to go on vacation and are making their homes more livable. There's also more DYI on basic projects, so less contractor work.
The green jobs are a mirage - and that fact is going to undermine whatever case Obama tries making to get his energy policies enacted. And once they are - the jobs situation will slide further as still more jobs are lost and we cross into double digit unemployment rates.
Meanwhile, when will the media finally call out the Administration for the completely bogus use of "jobs created or saved"? There's no such statistic and it hides the fact that no such jobs are being created these days and the jobs saved can include Obama's own job along with the members of Congress not currently under indictment or pending investigations.
Obama's fiscal policy is showing itself to be nothing but smoke and mirrors. In fact, if there were ever a time to call out the name voodoo economics - this is the time.
There's nothing about this economic policy of this Administration that bodes well for the US economy.
282 | ErnieG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:51:28am |
re: #277 Occasional Reader
I'm still waiting for some car company to come out with (let's say) the Audi Poetic. That way, I can spend the afternoon waxing Poetic.
And if they came out with an Audi Wroth, if you were in a bad mood you could be waxing Wroth.
283 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:51:35am |
re: #258 realwest
Actually it WILL NOT aid a lot of industries as MOST folks who have to sell their homes will be unable to pay for those green Improvements. Instead it will further depress the real estate market (hurting buyers, sellers, brokers, mortgage brokers, lawyers, secretaries and paralegals at a minimum.
Course some of that "slack" will be picked up by folks involved in the bankruptcy business.
I was talking about ins)ulation companies, energy engineers (which my neighbor happens to be, contractors, and construction supply companies to name a few. The down side you point out may offset the gains to the other industries, at any rate we can agree the home owner gets SCREWED!
284 | Eowyn2 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:51:50am |
re: #237 Lincolntf
This is how much money NC "received" from the stimulus: $6,089,387,000.
Six billion "free" dollars (over two years) in hand and the State University where my wife works just laid off 36 employees (inc. 16 faculty) on top of the .5% percent cut that every State employee took a couple months ago.
So where the hell is the money going?
fact finding trips to Barbados, Cyprus, Hawaii, Puerto Rico
investigations int Carribean Cruise Line
Working with Argentinians to bring about peace in the world
287 | scottishbuzzsaw Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:53:54am |
re: #279 buzzsawmonkey
I can see the ad slogan now. "The Audi Poetic. You could do verse."
"A sonnet under the bonnet." (UK ad)
289 | Chicken Kiev Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:54:57am |
re: #222 Walter L. Newton
It's not so much the money right now (I've downsized) but the self-worth, and I don't feel busy enough.
I too feel semi-retired, not by choice and decades before I ever planned to be in this situation. Work has simply dried up, ceased to exist.
A vast boredom will overtake this country and its populace -- too many people with too much time on our hands. What does history tell us happens under those circumstances? I don't actually know. War? Crime? Creativity?
I used to scramble and pitch my way into contract jobs. Now I don't even bother because I know they don't exist -- or, if they do exist, they are being given to younger cooler people.
290 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:55:06am |
re: #288 buzzsawmonkey
If you refer to Obama's program as "voodoo economics," you know what epithet will be flung back at you.
Rhymes with "basest"?
291 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:55:43am |
re: #271 jcm
Add the forced improvements to homes being sold to this little item.
Dozens of US cities may have entire neighbourhoods bulldozed as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.This will "freeze" lower to middle income people in their homes. Being unable to upgrade to qualify for sale. When all the jobs move away, they'll be underwater, a valueless home they can't sell. No available jobs.
You'll have large segments of the population dependent on the government for everything.
Bulldozing entire communities because of population decline and economic decline is counterproductive since those communities could actually be affordable housing - real and measurable affordable housing - not the Congressionally imposed and government inflicted variety which has proven to be anything but affordable.
The states and localities need to understand that housing stocks are a commodity and low prices can entice people to come and live there if you make the tax policy more attractive statewide. Lower state and local tax rates. Make the tax rates more competitive. Encourage people to live in these areas and demand that the people who do come and live there invest and work locally. Encourage businesses to locate - by reducing tax rates statewide.
292 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:55:58am |
re: #289 Chicken Kiev
re: #222 Walter L. Newton
I too feel semi-retired, not by choice and decades before I ever planned to be in this situation. Work has simply dried up, ceased to exist.
A vast boredom will overtake this country and its populace -- too many people with too much time on our hands. What does history tell us happens under those circumstances? I don't actually know. War? Crime? Creativity?
I used to scramble and pitch my way into contract jobs. Now I don't even bother because I know they don't exist -- or, if they do exist, they are being given to younger cooler people.
Bingo. You jumped into my brain and we are one.
293 | Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:56:17am |
re: #276 Killgore Trout
A few weeks ago I woke up one morning to find I had no running water in the house. I called the water company, and I'd been shut off. I guess I missed the bill. I payed up, they were really nice and waived all the late fees. At the end of the call they said "we can send a guy out to turn the water on again or you can just go out with a wrench and turn it on yourself." Portland is a strange city.
In Mass, they have to give you a demand notice and more time (plus ask for extra money). One time, I paid the bill on time, but it was due the 20th instead of the 10th or something like that, because the person sending the bills got them out late. But the person processing the payments didn't know, and marked them as late. One call, and the person at the water district explained and corrected it.
Turning off our water might be interesting; our connection is from the pipe running from the underground tank in the hill behind our house to the main, not from the main itself, as I found out when they replaced the main but didn't need to give us a temporary connection. (They did have to give us 1/2 of our driveway repaved after digging it up, though; the pavers repaving the street did it.)
295 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:56:44am |
re: #279 buzzsawmonkey
I can see the ad slogan now. "The Audi Poetic. You could do verse."
The car would be colloquially know as the W.H. Audi.
296 | Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:57:14am |
re: #277 Occasional Reader
I'm still waiting for some car company to come out with (let's say) the Audi Poetic. That way, I can spend the afternoon waxing Poetic.
I've thought of having a character in a story, a poet, called Bic Pentameter, just so he can exclaim "I am Bic Pentameter!"
298 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:57:37am |
re: #244 ggt Well I'm sorry ggt, the Democrats in the House didn't invite me to participate. All I DO know is that Waxman's committee - probably at the direction of the Wicked Witch of the West Pelosi, drafted the bill and the 300 page amendment.
And, since as far as I know no one other than the Dems, some Republicans and one or two pundits have had the time to read all 1200 pages and then go back and pen and ink in the changes by Waxman's 300 page amendment, I don't know who benefits from this. I do know that this push for enviromnemtal correctness is gonna cost all of us big time: you can't meet your carbon credit allowance? No problem Mr. Utility, pay us for Carbon Credits (us as in Government, hence another "tax" that isn't called a tax) and you can keep on keeping on. That the Utilities will, of necessity, have to pass this cost along to consumers means for most of us less heat in winter, less a/c in summer. Oh and the one thing I DO KNOW about the bill is that THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCE -alternative in the sense of free from fossil fuels- proven to work, NUCLEAR energy isn't even MENTIONED in the bill. This in spite of the fact that France gets something like 75% of it's national electric energy from nuclear power plants.
It's just another Scam - go follow the money - check out Warren Buffet (who is personally heavily invested in Wind and Solar enegery) who says the bill is a crock. Sorry, no link, heard him on some of the talkie parts of news shows.
299 | Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:58:50am |
re: #281 lawhawk
Yes, Obama and the Democrat's policies are voodoo economics - and they're sticking the pins in the voodoo doll.
300 | nyc redneck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:58:52am |
re: #271 jcm
Add the forced improvements to homes being sold to this little item.
Dozens of US cities may have entire neighbourhoods bulldozed as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.This will "freeze" lower to middle income people in their homes. Being unable to upgrade to qualify for sale. When all the jobs move away, they'll be underwater, a valueless home they can't sell. No available jobs.
You'll have large segments of the population dependent on the government for everything.
america has never been abt. "shrink to survive."
o's agenda is very demoralizing
we are going backwards. and will be paying more to do it.
302 | experiencedtraveller Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:00:01am |
re: #281 lawhawk
The green jobs are a mirage
Yes but its a GREEN mirage. Full of high paying GREEN jobs in the new GREEN economy.
/any (D)....
304 | jvic Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:01:13am |
re: #163 3 wood
I professionally managed several large fiduciary funds for over 20 years before I retired. For the last 5 years that I did that, one of my funds averaged a 28% rate of return every year.
I am duly impressed.
If I may ask--you understandably may prefer not to answer--, what was the annualized standard deviation or the Sharpe ratio over those 5 years?
305 | reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:02:37am |
News from Iran
RT @iranbaan Iran news paperfabricated a false news that Mohammad Khatami had secretly traveled from Tunisia to Cairo where he met Americans
RT @iranbaan The commander of police force announced: Arash Hejazi, eyewitness of Neda's death, has propagandized and is wanted by InterPol
RT @iranbaan General AhmadiMoghadam also claimed: Murder of Neda Aghasoltan is a scenario which is absolutely unrelated to recent "riots"
RT @iranbaan A correspondent from Shiraz revealed that during a random visit by Fars province governor and Shiraz Friday sermon cleric(cnt)
Rt @iranbaan (cntd) four ballot boxes were discovered thereRT @iranbaan A very good news: Ali Mosleh, journalist and film critic, has been released.
Mousavi statement - I've put it together from several tweet:
RT @iranbaan The 9th statement of Mousavi regarding affirmation of the results by the Guardian Council [Link: bit.ly...] #iranelection
Mousavi: From now on, we have a gov. whose legitimacy isn't recognized by the majority of people, myself included We're worried that this government due to its multitude of intrinsic and extrinsic weaknesses fall into the verge of granting advantage to foreigners
There is danger ahead, A establishment which relied on public trust for 30 years cannot replace security forces, in lieu of this reliance point. How can people trust a regime which imprisons its friends, colleagues and children solely because of its own illusions How can we ask people to spend their religious faith trusting us when they're being blatantly lied to? We came together, to reject inquiries into people's private affairs, to appal propagating hatred and conspiracy. It's our historic mission to continue our protest and not abandon retrieving people's rights It's our revolutionary responsibility to not let the blood of hundred thousands of martyrs degrades into a military and security based government and deteriorate The cheats and liars are only sheltering behind the law only purporting to impose their intentions. No opportunity to illuminate the extent of this big lie and its historic repercussions should be lost some of the elites will seek to protect the violated rights of people by releasing documents and taking legal actions #iranelection
and finally, to underscore the brutality:
A photo of a beating victim.
WARNING - the photo is graphic and very very disturbing.
306 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:02:54am |
re: #286 turn
ha you capitalist pig you
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I can't compete with those types of numbers, but occasionally make a great deal in my business. I once went to buy out a inventory of Studebaker parts that the owner had for sale at "best offer".
After spending a few hours doing a inventory, I decided there was 10K in fast selling parts, another 10 in slow moving items, so I settled on a 10K high offer.
I asked the owner what figure he had in mind and he just repeated the "Make me a offer" line. I said "That's hard to do, you might want a $100, you might want thousands" He said, $100 , no way, if I don't get at least $500, I'll sell it for scrap.
After writing his a check for $500, I saw him laughing with his employees in the office, so he must have been happy with the deal.
307 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:03:03am |
re: #281 lawhawk
Thanks, I feel so much better now LH.
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What a gloomy report! So NY has a program where you get energy rebates if you upgrade to higher efficiency, can't blame you for taking advantage of that and in the process upgrading your home. I agree that on balance this is a no win bill (green jobs are a myth) but I still think there is money to be made by some industries, all at the taxpayers expense which is a bad thing.
308 | Eowyn2 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:04:19am |
re: #271 jcm
The city is buying up houses in more affluent areas to offer people in neighbourhoods it wants to demolish. Nobody will be forced to move, said Mr Kildee.
redistribution of wealth program
309 | scottishbuzzsaw Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:04:46am |
310 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:05:13am |
re: #291 lawhawk
My area is an older neighborhood built slowly out of farm land. Lot size slowly shrinking when I bought it was R4 (4 lots per acre) it's now R12. When homes sell they are invariable torn down and 4 or more townhomes pop up.
But what is killing a lot of people is sidewalks.
The neighborhood doesn't have sidewalks. New construction is required to put in sidewalks. But also any upgrades or modifications to existing homes you are required to put in a sidewalk. You can't just do it yourself, I'm perfectly capable of doing it to spec. You have to use city approved and recommended contractors. Average cost for a typical lot in our neighborhood is $25,000.
So when a family wants to upgrade a kitchen or bath they also have to plan on the $25,000 for the sidewalk.
Folks give up and move, or don't upgrade.
311 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:05:21am |
re: #283 turn Oh I know exactly whom you were talking about - window manufacturers, installers, insulation and etc. but of course most folks don't have that kind of cash just laying around and if they need to sell their homes, they won't be able to afford to fix em and that means they can't sell 'em and that means foreclousure and probably bankruptcy. That was the intention of the bill, btw.
312 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:06:28am |
re: #295 Occasional Reader
The car would be colloquially know as the W.H. Audi.
Would it have a diesel engine built by e. e. cummings
314 | Eowyn2 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:06:42am |
re: #283 turn
I was talking about ins)ulation companies, energy engineers (which my neighbor happens to be, contractors, and construction supply companies to name a few. The down side you point out may offset the gains to the other industries, at any rate we can agree the home owner gets SCREWED!
my prediction:
No more do-it-yourself, blowing in insulation. AFLCIO contractor will have to do it. etc etc etc
315 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:06:43am |
re: #306 avanti
Fair market value is a willing buyer and a willing seller ...
316 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:07:31am |
re: #298 realwest
Here's the link to Buffett saying that the cap'n tax is just that - a tax.
317 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:08:36am |
318 | reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:08:58am |
319 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:09:40am |
re: #288 buzzsawmonkey
If you refer to Obama's program as "voodoo economics," you know what epithet will be flung back at you.
Hey there buzz - how are you?
As for what epithet will be flung back at you, I don't really give a shit. Period.
The DEMOCRATS NOW OWN OUR COUNTRY AND IT'S FUTURE. WHATEVER HAPPENS, FOR BETTER (I PRAY) OR WORSE (I FEAR) IS ON THE DEMOCRATS, 100%.
I don't want to hear that President Obama inherited this mess from President Bush. President Bush didn't OWN the Banking Industry, or the Financial Services Industry, or the Automobile Industry, or the Utilities/Energy Industry. Unemployment was under 7% under President Bush. It will be double digit unemployment by Labor Day. That is ALL on THE DEMOCRATS. Those were all bought by the DEMOCRATS and will be paid for with our GREAT GRANDCHILDRENS' MONEY since there can never be enough TAX REVENUES to PAY FOR ALL OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROJECTS AND DEMOCRATIC OWNED INDUSTRIES UNLESS WE PUT AMERICANS BACK TO WORK. AND MAYBE NOT EVEN THEN.
AND AS FAR AS CAP AND TRADE GOES, the simple fact is the words "NUCLEAR ENERGY" don't appear in the 1200 page bill or the 300 page amendment dumped on the House of Representatives at 3:09 AM the day of the vote by Congressman Henry Waxman. And, strangely enough, NUCLEAR ENERGY is SO FAR, the ONLY ALTERNATIVE TO FOSSIL FUEL ENERGY WHICH HAS BEEN PROVEN TO WORK TO GENERATE LARGE AMOUNTS OF ELECTRICAL ENERGY isn't mentioned in the bill or the amendment to the bill. FRANCE generates OVER 75% of it's national electrical energy requirments by NUCLEAR ENERGY. And the two largest polluters on the planet, China and India are exempt under the Kyoto Accords. So the United States must bear the burden of trying to stop Global Warming/Climate Change? I don't think so. What will happen, what THE DEMOCRATS HAVE DESIGNED TO HAPPEN is that since there will be a lack of alternative engergy for US Industry (even if Government Owned), those industries will have to PURCHASE CARBON CREDITS to get the energy they need. Homeowners and renters will have to pay HIGHER Utility bills because the Utility Companies will pass along the expense of buying Carbon Credits to the Consumers.
And NOW, the DEMOCRATS want to OWN THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY.
And the troubling fact is that, IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IT HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING AS EFFICIENTLY OR AS INEXPENSIVELY AS PRIVATE INDUSTRY.
320 | scottishbuzzsaw Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:09:44am |
321 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:09:49am |
re: #316 lawhawk
Here's the link to Buffett saying that the cap'n tax is just that - a tax.
Mr. Buffett, meet underside of bus.
322 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:10:03am |
re: #310 jcm
My neighborhood has a homeowners association (one of the oldest in the nation, part of the reason why this is a national historic area). You have to run all exterior work past the association for approval. It's time consuming, but I think it's worth it since you get to retain the look and feel of the neighborhood (and it prevents McMansions from being built on lots that are too small), but some people simply let their homes go rather than get the necessary approvals.
324 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:10:35am |
re: #271 jcm
Dozens of US cities may have entire neighbourhoods bulldozed as part of drastic "shrink to survive" proposals being considered by the Obama administration to tackle economic decline.
While that solution might seem drastic, there is a legitimate question about what to do with big, decaying cities like Flint.
325 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:10:36am |
re: #305 reine.de.tout
and finally, to underscore the brutality:
A photo of a beating victim.
WARNING - the photo is graphic and very very disturbing.
I'm reminded of something I asked many, many years ago to my parents when the whole 1979 revolution occurred, a few years after our family had moved from Tehran back to the United States. I think it was around the time that childhood innocence started to wain for me. I asked, "Do you think that my friends in Iran are still my friends?"
Well, while I may not know the poor gentleman who was so badly abused and tortured in that photograph, but I consider him to be one of those friends from my childhood, yearning for a better life, and deserving so much better than what he received. And, I hope the many other friends are closer to the redemption they deserve without the pain he received.
326 | VegasRick Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:10:57am |
327 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:11:42am |
re: #318 reine.de.tout
there are just no words, are there?
Those wounds indicate a sustained, methodical brutality. Not just some cop getting excited and swinging his baton a few times. They worked to achieve that result.
Hideous.
329 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:12:12am |
re: #314 Eowyn2
my prediction:
No more do-it-yourself, blowing in insulation. AFLCIO contractor will have to do it. etc etc etc
You are probably right about that e. I know for sure the energy inspector has to be certified and licensed. Probably going to be a lot of crooked energy inspectors out there, cheaper to grease a few palms than make the improvements.
331 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:12:57am |
re: #324 Occasional Reader
While that solution might seem drastic, there is a legitimate question about what to do with big, decaying cities like Flint.
Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. /ripley
Seriously, if Michael Moore were so concerned, he'd do something about it instead of just making films profiting from the miserable failures of the local politicians. He can't blame GM anymore for the mess there - they're long gone. It's all the locals. In fact, even if GM were still there, he can't blame 'em since it's now Government Motors.
332 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:13:51am |
re: #280 avanti
OK, now that I know your background, let me pick your brain and get back to my ordinal comment as a layman. My opinion was that the left and right will both spin the numbers to their side, but the market well tell us if the job loss news is perceived as good or bad. I know very little, so my comment might well be too simplistic.
There are a lot of variables at play.
A common mistake is to look at the economy from the view of one variable and try to forecast market performance from that.
The market also reacts for technical reasons to things on given days, such as locking in profits near a quarterly statement period. I have also seen markets react irrationally at times due to fear and panic.
Here is the general situation:
We have poured an incredible amount of money into the financial system, yet unemployment is still growing. We have massive amounts of deficit spending coming out of Washington, which will (not maybe, will) ignite inflation. If you own a business right now, you have very little reason to hire more people with all of the anti-business, anti-growth stuff coming out of Washington these days.
The dollar will devalue due to the deficit spending, counterbalanced somewhat by foreign capital flowing to the US for safety, to a a point.
At this point, the improvement, such as it is in the economy, is due mainly to the Fed actions taken last fall and winter, and the elimination of mark to market (which sounds good but is a real bad thing in practice cause you are valuing long term assets at spot market prices)
We need for the economy to grow.
So you have to ask yourself, what actions taken by Washington encourage growth in the economy?
The stimulus? Not much, more inflationary than growth.
Cap and Trade? Will be very damaging to business.
Nationalizing health care? Not even close, they plan on taxing a lot of stuff to pay for their proposal.
333 | VegasRick Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:13:55am |
334 | Lincolntf Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:14:10am |
re: #311 realwest
Semi-related...
You know that "cash for clunkers" deal that has been recently adopted? We're car shopping and and decided to look into it. What a farce. If you read the rules/regs. the law does not apply to any pre-owned cars (no matter how fuel efficient or "new"they are) and the dealer is responsible for processing the "voucher" deal. Anyone think that dealerships won't jack up prices when they realize that the customer thinks they are getting $3500-$4500 back in the form of a refund? It would be a dumb business move not to if you ask me. Oh, and the one absolute rule that is emphasized over and again is that all traded-in cars MUST be destroyed. Not given to low-income families, not put up for auction to offset the cost of the program, not even shipped overseas in some humanitarian gesture. Just reduced to a nearly worthless hunk of scrap.
Fortunately, we're not gonna participate in the program because I like to buy "gently used" vehicles.
335 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:14:20am |
re: #318 reine.de.tout
oh gawd, I peeked. How unmerciful. I wonder if wounds like that would heal.
336 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:14:21am |
re: #319 realwest
IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IT HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING AS EFFICIENTLY OR AS INEXPENSIVELY AS PRIVATE INDUSTRY.
With the exception of creating debt.
337 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:14:51am |
re: #331 lawhawk
Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. /ripley
Seriously, if Michael Moore were so concerned, he'd do something about it instead of just making films profiting from the miserable failures of the local politicians. He can't blame GM anymore for the mess there - they're long gone. It's all the locals. In fact, even if GM were still there, he can't blame 'em since it's now Government Motors.
Okay, but leaving Michael Moore aside... I do wonder what is the rational solution in the case of decaying rust belt cities, where you have entire sections that have become practically ghost towns.
338 | tjseagrove Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:15:04am |
I am finding it a lot faster on page loads over 3.1. Had to update Roboform and away we went...
339 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:15:56am |
8:29 AM ET -- Iran to prosecute doctor who tried to save Neda.
Fars News Agency in Persian on 1 July 2009 reports that the commander of the Law Enforcement Force said: Arash Hejazi who as the witness of the murder of Neda Aqa-Soltan has created uproar is being prosecuted by the International Police (Interpol).
Speaking to a gathering of reporters, General Esma'il Ahmadi-Moqaddam added: Arash Hejazi is being prosecuted by the Ministry of Intelligence and Interpol forces.He stressed: The murder of Neda Aqa-Soltan is a scenario which has no links to Tehran's riots.
Arash Hejazi, the doctor who was present at Neda Aqa-Soltan's murder scene, has held certain sensational interviews with foreign media on this murder case after departing the country.
340 | realwest Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:15:57am |
And while it's been fun y'all I gotta go - got to meet THREE damn doctors today to see which meds mom and I can stop taking altogether cause we can't afford to pay for 'em. We are both in the Medicare Gap.
Down here you can't speak to the docs on the phone, just relay messages to 'em and get answers from 'em via their triage nurses. I want to IMPRESS UPON THEM that we need to do without certain drugs and see what they have to say.
Anyway, y'all have a great day and I hope I get the chance to see you all down the road!
341 | Digital Display Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:16:10am |
re: #333 VegasRick
Mornin' Hoops! I just got here myself.
Hey Rick.. How is the weather in Vegas today?
342 | Honorary Yooper Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:16:18am |
re: #337 Occasional Reader
Okay, but leaving Michael Moore aside... I do wonder what is the rational solution in the case of decaying rust belt cities, where you have entire sections that have become practically ghost towns.
Rational solution?
How's about invite industry, be business friendly, lower taxes on both residents and business for a start.
344 | reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:16:25am |
re: #335 turn
oh gawd, I peeked. How unmerciful. I wonder if wounds like that would heal.
I'm sure it would take quite a long time, if a person survived a beating like that.
345 | ErnieG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:16:39am |
346 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:16:49am |
re: #322 lawhawk
My neighborhood has a homeowners association (one of the oldest in the nation, part of the reason why this is a national historic area). You have to run all exterior work past the association for approval. It's time consuming, but I think it's worth it since you get to retain the look and feel of the neighborhood (and it prevents McMansions from being built on lots that are too small), but some people simply let their homes go rather than get the necessary approvals.
I've worked on and lived in a house like that. All the soffets were rotting and falling off, the restoration is my work.
My neighbor isn't historical, 60 years it was an apple orchard, suburbs just grew out.
347 | Gus Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:17:20am |
348 | 3 wood Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:17:41am |
re: #304 jvic
If I may ask--you understandably may prefer not to answer--, what was the annualized standard deviation or the Sharpe ratio over those 5 years?
Quite frankly I don't remember. I remember the ROR cause that's what I was evaluated on.
349 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:17:56am |
re: #315 turn
Fair market value is a willing buyer and a willing seller ...
Yes, it works the other way too. I once talked to a widow that wanted to sell her dead husbands old Studebaker truck. It was, at best, a $200-300 dog of a parts truck, but her kids told her to hold out for 20K ! By the time she got back to me years later, it was not worth towing to my house if it was a gift.
351 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:18:47am |
re: #342 Honorary Yooper
Rational solution?
How's about invite industry, be business friendly, lower taxes on both residents and business for a start.
Well, sure, those are ALWAYS good things, not just for Flint et al. But I wonder if some of those smallish cities might be too far gone in parts.
352 | VegasRick Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:18:58am |
re: #341 HoosierHoops
Hey Rick.. How is the weather in Vegas today?
HOT buy dry!
/actually only going to be 101.
353 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:19:24am |
More police vandalism.....
IRAN: July 1st; Riot police smash cars and property
355 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:19:41am |
re: #343 buzzsawmonkey
Create an "enterprise zone"
You really think building a starship in Flint is a realistic solution?
356 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:19:42am |
re: #327 Occasional Reader
Those wounds indicate a sustained, methodical brutality. Not just some cop getting excited and swinging his baton a few times. They worked to achieve that result.
Hideous.
And that motherfucker in the White House still wants to talk with ShortShit.
358 | reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:20:36am |
Wall Street Journal - on Franken's theft of the election.
First paragraph:
The Minnesota Supreme Court yesterday declared Democrat Al Franken the winner of last year's disputed Senate race, and Republican incumbent Norm Coleman's gracious concession at least spares the state any further legal combat. The unfortunate lesson is that you don't need to win the vote on Election Day as long as your lawyers are creative enough to have enough new or disqualified ballots counted after the fact.
359 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:20:38am |
re: #339 Killgore Trout
8:29 AM ET -- Iran to prosecute doctor who tried to save Neda.
See my No. 356.
361 | Mithrax Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:21:48am |
re: #360 buzzsawmonkey
Well, you could start by Spockling the walls in the dilapidated buildings.
But don't forget to fix up the old Kirk!
362 | subsailor68 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:22:05am |
Morning all! Hey Charles, don't know if you're up and at it yet, but I knew - I just knew - when you caught that meandering drivel of Pat Buchanan's on Darwin you'd have to put up a thread! Amazing, eh?
(Also had to re-post my post from early yesterday mornin' on it, cause Killgore posted that it would have to be a thread, and he was right. I'm really glad ya did it!)
BTW, I would love to have been a fly on the wall when you read that. I'm guessing the first thing you said was "What? You've got to be kidding me!
Or something a little less polite!
Thanks!
;-)
363 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:22:22am |
re: #354 buzzsawmonkey
If I had a million or two to throw around--chicken-feed to our well-endowed foundations--I'd buy up a whole sector of a town like Flint and start an artists' colony, with grant applications for residence. Get an enterprise like that going, and a number of small businesses would grow up to service it.
It doesn't matter that I think most modern art is crap; artist influx usually manages somehow to drag redevelopment with it.
"We built this city on art and bowls..."
365 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:22:56am |
re: #357 buzzsawmonkey
Fuck PETA and the donkey they refused to ride in on.
For some reason, this song came to mind.
366 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:23:03am |
re: #360 buzzsawmonkey
Well, you could start by Spockling the walls in the dilapidated buildings.
And your artists' colony could perform plays by Chekhov... I think we're onto something here!
367 | Gus Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:23:26am |
re: #339 Killgore Trout
8:29 AM ET -- Iran to prosecute doctor who tried to save Neda.
Damn that's disgusting. A couple of weeks ago I was reading about a $3,000 bullet fee the Iranian regime was charging to the families of those shot by the Mullah's henchmen.
368 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:23:50am |
re: #360 buzzsawmonkey
Well, you could start by Spockling the walls in the dilapidated buildings.
Do you have the Data on that yet?
370 | nyc redneck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:24:49am |
371 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:25:35am |
Of course, the artist colony idea would never work in a red state, where people simply klingon their guns and religion.
372 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:26:03am |
re: #369 buzzsawmonkey
No, we're just starting to Picard the wallpaper patterns.
Any trebles so far?
373 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:26:17am |
re: #367 Gus 802
Damn that's disgusting. A couple of weeks ago I was reading about a $3,000 bullet fee the Iranian regime was charging to the families of those shot by the Mullah's henchmen.
Uncle Joe Stalin did the same thing.
374 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:26:46am |
375 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:26:50am |
re: #371 Occasional Reader
Of course, the artist colony idea would never work in a red state, where people simply klingon their guns and religion.
I bet they don't wear red shirts.
376 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:28:03am |
I hate to Borg in here: but do you think people would assimilate in to the artists colony easily? Or would you have to phase them in where no plan has gone before?
377 | VegasRick Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:28:29am |
re: #371 Occasional Reader
Of course, the artist colony idea would never work in a red state, where people simply klingon their guns and religion.
Sulu is in charge of removing all the klingons from Uranus.
/
379 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:28:41am |
re: #371 Occasional Reader
Of course, the artist colony idea would never work in a red state, where people simply klingon their guns and religion.
It might work if they took it in on in several well planned out phasers.
380 | Honorary Yooper Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:29:02am |
re: #351 Occasional Reader
Well, sure, those are ALWAYS good things, not just for Flint et al. But I wonder if some of those smallish cities might be too far gone in parts.
No such thing as too far gone. Rome, at its lowest points had maybe 10,000 people, fallen from its Empire height of near a million.
381 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:29:17am |
382 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:29:58am |
re: #379 turn
It might work if they took it in on in several well planned out phasers.
I'm sure there's a bunch of artists that shouldn't be in that Gene pool, however.
383 | Mithrax Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:30:38am |
re: #382 MrSilverDragon
I'm sure there's a bunch of artists that shouldn't be in that Gene pool, however.
Just plants lots of RoddenBerry bushes.
384 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:30:41am |
re: #378 buzzsawmonkey
I'm rapidly reaching the limit of my Star Trek knowledge, so I will just observe that any entity which got such an enterprise zone going in a depressed area would be Uhuru to the local residents.
How deep is the space?
385 | Gus Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:30:45am |
Barf Alert
BHO on the campaign trail in 2008:
QUESTION: In 1982, Anwar Sadat traveled to Israel, a trip that resulted in a peace agreement that has lasted ever since. In the spirit of that type of bold leadership, would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?
[...]
OBAMA: I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them -- which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration -- is ridiculous. (APPLAUSE) Now, Ronald Reagan and Democratic presidents like JFK constantly spoke to Soviet Union at a time when Ronald Reagan called them an evil empire. And the reason is because they understood that we may not trust them and they may pose an extraordinary danger to this country, but we had the obligation to find areas where we can potentially move forward. And I think that it is a disgrace that we have not spoken to them.
"Within the first year." "In order to bridge the gap."
Barney has spoken.
387 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:30:55am |
388 | Gus Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:31:37am |
389 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:32:13am |
re: #382 MrSilverDragon
I'm sure there's a bunch of artists that shouldn't be in that Gene pool, however.
I can visualize it now, each artist will have a lovely garden complete with roddenberries.
391 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:33:12am |
re: #387 MrSilverDragon
To the point of being stunned.
It would be ardraous for me to continue these puns.
392 | jvic Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:33:40am |
re: #347 Gus 802
Iran: "Concerned." "Intense debate."Honduras: "[We] stand on the side of democracy" "Not legal."
BHO, 2009
Iran: Obama Officials Say Talks with Iran Still Going Ahead
In a space for possible dialogue, Roberto Micheletti, sworn in as caretaker president by the Honduran Congress soon after the coup, announced he would send a delegation for talks in Washington on Wednesday.But Insulza said OAS officials had no plans to met with any delegation from the caretaker government, and a senior U.S. official said that no one from the Obama administration would see the representatives.
"Without preconditions."
Talking to the Russians about a naval base apparently got Iceland a loan from the EU. Would the ploy work on the Obama administration? They are so lost in space that I'm not sure.
393 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:34:02am |
re: #389 turn
I can visualize it now, each artist will have a lovely garden complete with roddenberries.
The more I think about it, maybe we could attract some famous actors and singers to this particular adventure, you could really push this idea into the limelight with that type of starbase.
394 | Mithrax Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:34:04am |
395 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:35:57am |
re: #380 Honorary Yooper
No such thing as too far gone. Rome, at its lowest points had maybe 10,000 people, fallen from its Empire height of near a million.
"Be it ever so crumbly
there's no place like Rome..."
-Bugs Bunny
397 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:36:59am |
re: #388 Gus 802
Charging for the "bullets?"
The families of those executed by firing squad were, literally, billed for the ammo used.
398 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:37:16am |
re: #337 Occasional Reader
The nation has a history of creating ghost towns - look at the boom towns created during the various gold rushes and speculative mining in the West. Since those were created a 100 years ago, they're now tourist destinations, but I doubt people saw them that way at the time.
Trying to keep towns on life support for the sake of preserving a town doesn't make much sense. However, if the states and feds really want to encourage homeownership and improve economic vitality, they should consider a program that allows people with good credit to come in and buy those homes in places like Detroit and Flint at rock bottom prices so long as they spend at least 3 years and invest in their home/neighborhood. Encourage businesses to do the same. Target specific neighborhoods - even if it means block by block. Work with church groups like Nehemiah or with Habitat for Humanity to get housing rebuilt, upgraded.
Combine that with turning some of those areas into parkland since demand is low and while that reduces tax base - those areas are already lost to the tax base.
But these localities also have to realize that people aren't going to come there unless there are jobs and/or a real good reason to resettle there. That means making the business climate much more agreable. Tax and spend can't do that.
399 | Gus Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:37:46am |
re: #392 jvic
"Without preconditions."
Talking to the Russians about a naval base apparently got Iceland a loan from the EU. Would the ploy work on the Obama administration? They are so lost in space that I'm not sure.
Yet another descent into Obamadom. Still willing to meet with Iran yet now unwilling to meet with the caretaker government in Honduras.
It's clear who's side he's on. Howard Zinn must be very happy with BHO -- so are Castro, Chavez, and Ahmadinejad.
400 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:37:55am |
401 | _RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:38:10am |
Here's a photo of the Al Frankens .... and you gotta admit, they are a cute couple:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
402 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:38:11am |
re: #380 Honorary Yooper
No such thing as too far gone. Rome, at its lowest points had maybe 10,000 people, fallen from its Empire height of near a million.
Bury one of Michael Jacksons back up singers in Flint, build a basillica on it and start a new world religion. That ought to bring the population back up in 2000 years or so. /
403 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:38:17am |
re: #393 MrSilverDragon
The more I think about it, maybe we could attract some famous actors and singers to this particular adventure, you could really push this idea into the limelight with that type of starbase.
Yes ohura about them famous actors coming too.
404 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:38:31am |
re: #346 jcm
My house isn't anything like that, but it's comfy, and it's mine. Here's the area though.
405 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:39:20am |
re: #401 _RememberTonyC
Here's a photo of the Al Frankens .... and you gotta admit, they are a cute couple:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Doesn't she look like the textbook liberal, or is it just me?
406 | irongrampa Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:39:33am |
Good morning, good people.
Something to share, this is funny--wife has a mag subscription,originally in her mom and dad's name,sent to our address. So she wished to cancel delivery, sent them a note saying "occupant deceased, please stop delivery."
Yesterday's mail had a magazine from these people with the name Occupant Deceased, our address, on the address label. Can't wait to straighten this one out.
407 | jvic Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:39:54am |
re: #358 reine.de.tout
Wall Street Journal - on Franken's theft of the election.
The swing of the Minnesota and Alaska Senate seats smells to high heaven. The WA governor election too, but that doesn't affect national policy. Alaska & Minnesota give the Democrats a filibuster-proof majority.
410 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:40:25am |
re: #393 MrSilverDragon
The more I think about it, maybe we could attract some famous actors and singers to this particular adventure, you could really push this idea into the limelight with that type of starbase.
Indeed, the signers could concentrate on popular tunes from well-known movies in order to draw large crowds; such as My Fair Lady's "I've Grown Accustomed To Her Phaser".
411 | Gus Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:40:36am |
re: #397 Occasional Reader
The families of those executed by firing squad were, literally, billed for the ammo used.
Fitting. I'm sure the posers that idolize his "third cousin" Che Guevara understand this.
412 | experiencedtraveller Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:40:56am |
re: #396 buzzsawmonkey
Take a drive through Gary, Indiana to see the scale of the problem.
We'd need to import artists by the boat load to fill that empty place...
413 | _RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:41:20am |
re: #405 turn
Doesn't she look like the textbook liberal, or is it just me?
You are much kinder than I am. You are right. My comment would have been something along the lines of "for a Hollywood big shot, he appears to be an underachiever in some areas." But at times, I can be superficial that way.
414 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:41:26am |
re: #401 _RememberTonyC
Here's a photo of the Al Frankens .... and you gotta admit, they are a cute couple:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Orthodontists wet dream/
415 | _RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:42:29am |
re: #414 DaddyG
Orthodontists wet dream/
LOL ... She could eat corn on the cob through a picket fence
416 | Gus Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:42:32am |
re: #408 jcm
Remember one of RWR's first talking points with the Sovs?
Refusenik.
Obama was blowing smoke early on in his "career."
417 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:42:44am |
re: #412 experiencedtraveller
Take a drive through Gary, Indiana to see the scale of the problem.
We'd need to import artists by the boat load to fill that empty place...
And imagine the quantities of pee-pee and caca they'd need in order to create that much "art".
418 | reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:43:11am |
re: #406 irongrampa
Good morning, good people.
Something to share, this is funny--wife has a mag subscription,originally in her mom and dad's name,sent to our address. So she wished to cancel delivery, sent them a note saying "occupant deceased, please stop delivery."Yesterday's mail had a magazine from these people with the name Occupant Deceased, our address, on the address label. Can't wait to straighten this one out.
ROFL!
You know somebody had to type that in to the mag's subscription data base.
419 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:43:34am |
re: #410 Occasional Reader
Indeed, the
signerssingers could concentrate on popular tunes from well-known movies in order to draw large crowds; such as My Fair Lady's "I've Grown Accustomed To Her Phaser".
420 | turn Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:44:00am |
re: #413 _RememberTonyC
You are much kinder than I am. You are right. My comment would have been something along the lines of "for a Hollywood big shot, he appears to be an underachiever in some areas." But at times, I can be superficial that way.
Kinder? ok she looks like a little squinty eyed chipmunk to me. How's that?
421 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:44:19am |
re: #409 buzzsawmonkey
The DeCeaseds are a fine old family.
Civic-ly inclined too; never missed a vote when they lived in Chicago.
422 | reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:45:47am |
re: #370 nyc redneck
this is what he risked for freedom.
this is what it means when you hear that "freedom isn't free."
Exactly.
I hate to see photos like that.
But I always feel like it's important to check them out, as a way of honoring what it is people go through, and as a way to imprint into my brain that "freedom isn't free". We take so much for granted in this country.
423 | Gus Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:45:55am |
re: #417 Occasional Reader
And imagine the quantities of pee-pee and caca they'd need in order to create that much "art".
Or the milk crate chained to a wall on a bed of hay. Remember those "art forms" from the 80s? If the Manhattan elite is feeling even more gutsy or "culturally relevant" they would chain a six pack of Bud to a wall on a bed of hay and add some background "mood music."
Art posers.
424 | Bagua Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:46:10am |
re: #61 ArchangelMichael
I've been using the beta of Firefox 3.5 for awhile (still am on this computer), and haven't had any problems at all. I haven't noticed if they fixed the memory hogging problem though. I have been happy enough with it to stop cheating on it with that hussie Google Chrome though.
Same here, the beta version ran better on my PC, with 3.0 having a lot of annoying quirks and crashes. It is definitely faster, and uses a bit less memory, though browsers in general are very memory intensive, especially if one uses multiple tabs.
FF 3.5 also runs fine on Windows 7
425 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:46:51am |
re: #401 _RememberTonyC
Here's a photo of the Al Frankens .... and you gotta admit, they are a cute couple:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Is she missing a tooth?
428 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:47:54am |
re: #426 buzzsawmonkey
Artists expand to fill available space.
Hey, I already said; let's leave Michael Moore out of this.
430 | Gus Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:49:04am |
431 | irongrampa Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:49:13am |
re: #418 reine.de.tout
My thoughts too. Not sure if she's pissed about it, if she IS, I'll stay right out of it, and send a small prayer for the mag people, they'll need it.
432 | reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:49:20am |
re: #429 buzzsawmonkey
I didn't realize Michael Moore was an "artist."
In his own head.
And in Fwance.
433 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:50:03am |
re: #427 taxfreekiller
so, when will we be able to call Obama a commie
before or only after Commie Health Care?
Obama is not a Commie. That's hyperbole, really. Something Ron Paul would say.
437 | Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:50:37am |
re: #422 reine.de.tout
It costs a buck 'o five (according to Team America.)
438 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:50:54am |
440 | subsailor68 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:50:58am |
I really like Walter Williams:
Why did the founders of our nation give us the Bill of Rights? The answer is easy. They knew Congress could not be trusted with our God-given rights.
Says it all!
441 | reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:51:17am |
re: #435 buzzsawmonkey
Pretty much--sort of the way work expands to fill the time available for it.
And your furnishings in your house expand to overtake the space available.
At least in my house.
442 | Gus Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:51:17am |
re: #435 buzzsawmonkey
Pretty much--sort of the way work expands to fill the time available for it.
Work is what you do in between catching up with the office gossip.
Cubicle World 101.
///
444 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:51:58am |
445 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:52:08am |
The problem with "artists" colonies is that it takes people with money to buy the art. That's why most of what you see isn't art, it's junk at an (overinflated) but affordable price.
Hey, I got an idea. Why not a small business zone --Zero taxes for 5 years and $xx amount of start-up. A town where entreuprenuers could congregate and network tax-free for 5 years--either you make it and move out, prove your buisness can survive in the real world, or you go bust.
UPS/Fed Ex, banks, trucking companies would certainly benefit.
446 | Gus Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:52:18am |
re: #439 buzzsawmonkey
Well, if not a commie, at least a semi-colon.
Can't wait until we get to the period.
1299 days left.
447 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:52:20am |
448 | Bagua Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:52:20am |
re: #433 Walter L. Newton
Obama is not a Commie. That's hyperbole, really. Something Ron Paul would say.
Good point, the more we indulge in such nonsense the more we become like those who suffered from BDS.
449 | justabill Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:52:41am |
re: #427 taxfreekiller
so, when will we be able to call Obama a commie
before or only after Commie Health Care?
When he is out of office and can no longer throw you in a gulag.
450 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:53:55am |
re: #449 justabill
When he is out of office and can no longer throw you in a gulag.
Did I miss something. Who was the last American citizen thrown into a gulag by Obama?
451 | jvic Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:53:56am |
re: #348 3 wood
Quite frankly I don't remember. I remember the ROR cause that's what I was evaluated on.
Makes sense.
I gather you retired before hell broke loose. Maybe that decision was your best trade, or maybe you would have cleaned up in the chaos.
What with seeing the big picture and focusing on essential details, no wonder you're successful. Congratulations.
452 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:54:07am |
What This Country Needs Is a Good Terrorist Attack!
Last night Glenn Beck's guest was ex-CIA person Michael Scheuer, who stated that the only hope for the country was for Osama Bin Laden to "deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States." Seriously.
Why would any good, patriotic American say such a thing in a discussion about border protection? Because all of our politicians crave is the approval of Europeans and to hold on to their cushy jobs and it's going to take an attack from Bin Laden to wake America up to the fact that our leaders need to use "as much violence as necessary" to firmly establish our place in the world. Meanwhile Beck just sat there nodding his approval.
Only Ossama can save us?
454 | debutaunt Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:54:30am |
re: #397 Occasional Reader
The families of those executed by firing squad were, literally, billed for the ammo used.
Per round or per bullet?
455 | Bagua Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:54:46am |
re: #450 Walter L. Newton
Why trouble the fantasists with anything as droll as facts?
457 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:56:20am |
re: #452 Killgore Trout
Unbelievable. That's definitely thread worthy.
459 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:56:48am |
460 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:56:48am |
re: #443 taxfreekiller
Its ok to jump off cliffs, cause Obama and the commies will catch you in their commie dirty blankets. Walter
You know, by calling Obama a Commie, you actually are dumping on all the poor people that have actually lost their lives to real communism, the people who over the years have fought against any dictator, communist, fascist and others.
You don't really care about all those lives lost, as long as you can make a few points calling Obama a commie.
You should only wish you never live in a REAL communist country under REAL communist rule.
Cheap shots on your part.
461 | justabill Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:57:03am |
re: #450 Walter L. Newton
Did I miss something. Who was the last American citizen thrown into a gulag by Obama?
You missed the / I thought was unnecessary. I should have known better...
462 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:57:19am |
Commie is easier to say than community organizer and redistributer of wealth in chief./ A little hyperbole saves 1000 words of explaination.
Seriously- As I read the "traitor is over the top" thread last night I thought about how conservatives are self-policing themselves to a great degree. I don't remember liberal or left-center columnists taking like minded blogs and pundits to task for their overt Bush Derangement Syndrome.
The fact that the right side of the blogosphere is willing to self correct is a good thing IMO.
463 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:57:36am |
re: #406 irongrampa
Good morning, good people.
Something to share, this is funny--wife has a mag subscription,originally in her mom and dad's name,sent to our address. So she wished to cancel delivery, sent them a note saying "occupant deceased, please stop delivery."Yesterday's mail had a magazine from these people with the name Occupant Deceased, our address, on the address label. Can't wait to straighten this one out.
In WA you could take that down to the Dept. of Lic. and get an ID card based on the address label. And check the motor voter box to register to vote.
Mail in ballot for Occupant Deceased would be absolutely priceless.
464 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:58:12am |
re: #452 Killgore Trout
What This Country Needs Is a Good Terrorist Attack!
Only Ossama can save us?
It takes a truly demented mind to believe that.
465 | reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:59:07am |
re: #463 jcm
In WA you could take that down to the Dept. of Lic. and get an ID card based on the address label. And check the motor voter box to register to vote.
Mail in ballot for Occupant Deceased would be absolutely priceless.
You can get an ID based ONLY on an address label?
For real?
466 | subsailor68 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 8:59:33am |
re: #452 Killgore Trout
What This Country Needs Is a Good Terrorist Attack!
Morning Killgore! I actually saw that piece on Beck. Group of us having a cold one at our local when it came on. We all had the same thought: this is insane. I don't care if this administration is a mess; there's no way I'd ever hope for the death of my countrymen just to make a point.
Beck sometimes has good guests (e.g. John Bolton), but he's just too far over the top for me - and so is Scheuer.
468 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:00:44am |
469 | irongrampa Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:00:47am |
re: #463 jcm
Don't know if that's applicable in New York, might be interesting to see if it is. Unsure if wifey would let me do it, tho'.
471 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:01:01am |
re: #457 lawhawk
Unbelievable. That's definitely thread worthy.
POssibly. The Kos kidz are excited about it too but will it really damage Beck or fox news? They're already advocating things like not filling out census forms, not paying taxes. I've seen stories recently pushing for a national consumer boycott to bring the economy to its knees. Openly hoping for a major terrorist attack will just get lost in the noise. His audience knows what he's about and they watch him because of it. The cable ratings came out yesterday and he has the 3rd highest rated show in the country. This is the kind of stuff his audience wants.
472 | FrogMarch Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:01:16am |
re: #180 Walter L. Newton
Wow, someone who understands what's going on? Yes, the media is not reporting this correctly. My girlfriend had to point me to looking into what is really happening, and guess what, the president was farting on the Honduran Constitution, period, the SAME way Chavez has been trying to do that.
The Constitution gets in the way when you're a holy and precious leftist dictator.
473 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:01:22am |
re: #454 debutaunt
Per round or per bullet?
One charge for the bullet, another for the casing, another for the gunpowder. But they threw in the primer for free, 'cause that's the kind of guy Joe Stalin was.
/
474 | reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:01:43am |
In Louisiana, hilarity at the legislature.
It's local to La., but just too juicy to keep to myself.
To get the full impact, you have to click through and read the lyrics.
475 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:01:53am |
re: #470 buzzsawmonkey
He's also a Paulian.
476 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:02:48am |
re: #470 buzzsawmonkey
Michael Scheuer is vicious and insane in addition to being an antisemite.
But other than that... um...
[he has good teeth? hell, I dunno]
478 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:03:26am |
re: #22 DaddyG
Does FF or Opera work faster when the LGF threads get into the 600+ range? IE slows to a crawl and I can't see what I've typed for a good 30 seconds.
I'll bet you don't turn down your radio when you call in to Talk Radio.
/
480 | Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:03:34am |
re: #474 reine.de.tout
In Louisiana, hilarity at the legislature.
It's local to La., but just too juicy to keep to myself.
To get the full impact, you have to click through and read the lyrics.
Is that first picture of her real or photoshopped!
481 | reine.de.tout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:04:11am |
482 | VegasRick Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:05:03am |
483 | _RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:06:15am |
484 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:06:30am |
re: #470 buzzsawmonkey
Michael Scheuer is vicious and insane in addition to being an antisemite.
And let's recall that Scheuer was also a darling to the Left. (Anti-Iraq War, anti-Bush, blamed Islamist terrorism on Israel... what's not to like, from their perpsective?) Just wanted to note that for the record, Killgore.
485 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:06:40am |
I left this morning at 10 til 9 (est) just got back. Helped a guy move.
Never hesitate to help someone fresh out of seminary move his small family. Most of the furniture (which there is not much of anyway) is cheap and light.
But he'll owe you forever.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I'm such a good Christian.
486 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:06:55am |
re: #479 buzzsawmonkey
Beck, in the clip you provided, did not seem to endorse or advocate Scheuer's position--rather, he seemed to view it with incredulity.
One may fault Beck for having Scheuer on his program, but it is Scheuer--who is given far too much credence as a source of wisdom--who is demented, and at fault, here.
Like the gal talking about burning books at a tea party meet and greet, it's the responsibility of patriots to speak out against such nonsense. Beck could have simple said "I don't agree with the POTUS, but to wish for a major terrorist attack is just nuts", but that would hurt his paycheck.
487 | _RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:07:57am |
re: #438 MrSilverDragon
re: #415 _RememberTonyC
Having grown up with teeth like that before getting some orthodontistry done, that's some mean stuff to say...
i know it is .... I had serious snaggletooth before I got my braces. took a lot of shit for it, but it toughened me up. somehow i don't think frannie franken cares what I think.
488 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:09:32am |
re: #468 avanti
I guess once you got your teeth fixed you could pass as a conservative according to some. /s
It would take a lot more than orthodonture to get Stuart Smiley to pass as a legislator. In fact it took a trunk full of found ballots and the Supreme Court.
490 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:10:05am |
re: #465 reine.de.tout
You can get an ID based ONLY on an address label?
For real?
She put her phone bill in Duncan's name, then used the phone bill as identification to register him as a voter.
Duncan is a dog.
This voter registration movement was spear headed by Frances Piven and Richard Cloward in the early 1980s in response to the Reagan administration. It was believed that through government implementation of more active registration proposals it would increase voter turn out rates which have been on a steady decline since the monumental election of 1896.
Cloward and Piven taught at Columbia.
Obama won't release his Columbia transcripts.
When Rahm and other say a crisis is an opportunity to do things they ordinary wouldn't be able to do. That's also a Cloward and Piven concept.
491 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:10:08am |
re: #471 Killgore Trout
POssibly. The Kos kidz are excited about it too but will it really damage Beck or fox news? They're already advocating things like not filling out census forms, not paying taxes. I've seen stories recently pushing for a national consumer boycott to bring the economy to its knees. Openly hoping for a major terrorist attack will just get lost in the noise. His audience knows what he's about and they watch him because of it. The cable ratings came out yesterday and he has the 3rd highest rated show in the country. This is the kind of stuff his audience wants.
Fox is advocating all that?
492 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:10:32am |
re: #485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I was gone for three hours...including driving all of the way across town. loading the truck...moving the stuff to the house and unloading the stuff.
493 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:10:37am |
re: #478 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'll bet you don't turn down your radio when you call in to Talk Radio.
/
What...what...what...what?
494 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:11:17am |
re: #468 avanti
I guess once you got your teeth fixed you could pass as a conservative according to some. /s
Not really, no. 3ft hair, scraggly beard, t-shirt & jeans, many people stereotype me as a hippie democrat that does drugs on a daily basis. More often than not I'm stopped by people on the street schilling environmental causes or democratic politics, thinking that I'm immediately going to sign whatever petition they stuff in front of me because they think I'm just like them. I've been stopped a few times by teenagers because they look at me and think they can score pot from me.
And your comment, again, falls right into that stereotypical behavior. A look does not make a person, only an impression.
496 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:12:09am |
re: #493 DaddyG
Everytime someone calls talk radio and the "oops, i forgot to turn my radio down" excuse comes out... I just want to throttle them!
497 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:12:18am |
re: #479 buzzsawmonkey
Beck nods approvingly through the statement then adds that he was thinking the same thing.
499 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:13:10am |
re: #467 taxfreekiller
dumb ass sob,
VC
many VC
price on my head by Gen. GiapMillions of the people my friends died to save,
killed by hoe handle made possible by John F. Kerry
and the COMMIE DEMOCRAT PARTY.and they are about to enable millions more hoe handle deaths
Well, I guess my real world definition of "commie" and your hyperbole usage of the word are two different things.
I'm talking about the facts, real world facts about communism, the reality of what it is and isn't.
Your interest is painting certain people with that term in order to stir emotion.
I'll stick with the truth, with the facts.
500 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:13:52am |
re: #491 MandyManners
Yes, they have people on all the time talking about stuff like that. The crap that goes on with Judge Nepalitano's show is even worse with guests like Alex Jones.
501 | Creeping Eruption Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:13:54am |
Welcome to my schizophrenic State:
Wisconsin is first state with same-sex marriage ban to offer domestic partnerships
502 | VegasRick Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:14:11am |
re: #497 Killgore Trout
Beck nods approvingly through the statement then adds that he was thinking the same thing.
I'm not defending Beck but that is not what he said.
503 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:14:29am |
re: #494 MrSilverDragon
Super libs moved in next door to me. Saw my "Vegetarians Save Lives" bumper sticker, thought he had a kindred spirit.
Our first sit down together was interesting.
He's a fantastic, smart guy. We don't talk politics. At all.
504 | OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:14:35am |
An aside on the subject of Beck: one-half of our local right-wing reactionary kook talk radio morning program is leaving to go to work for Beck, who he apparently worked with back when.
So look for Pat in teh crazy!
/
505 | Summer Seale Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:14:38am |
RE: Firefox
Too little, too late. Unfortunately, while Firefox was at the top of the game a few years ago, it has become bloated, buggy, and unwieldy. Chrome has been my #1 browser since day one of release, and it looks like it stays that way. Safari comes in at an incredibly close second (really, no difference apart from the fact that Safari doesn't re-open automatically with tabs opened from last time...and I know about Safari Saft as I bought it in 2005 =) ).
IE? WTF is that?
507 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:15:36am |
re: #499 Walter L. Newton
Well, I guess my real world definition of "commie" and your hyperbole usage of the word are two different things.
I'm talking about the facts, real world facts about communism, the reality of what it is and isn't.
Your interest is painting certain people with that term in order to stir emotion.
I'll stick with the truth, with the facts.
I've called BHO a Marxist.
For a reason.
His entire upbringing and choices in associations from his mother to Rev. Wright where steeped in Marxist ideology.
508 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:15:37am |
re: #500 Killgore Trout
Yes, they have people on all the time talking about stuff like that. The crap that goes on with Judge Nepalitano's show is even worse with guests like Alex Jones.
On television or on the Internet?
509 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:15:50am |
re: #506 taxfreekiller
tell me what best describes the no good dumb ass then
Narcissist with megalomaniacidal tendencies.
510 | wrenchwench Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:15:51am |
re: #494 MrSilverDragon
Not really, no. 3ft hair, scraggly beard, t-shirt & jeans, many people stereotype me as a hippie democrat that does drugs on a daily basis. More often than not I'm stopped by people on the street schilling environmental causes or democratic politics, thinking that I'm immediately going to sign whatever petition they stuff in front of me because they think I'm just like them. I've been stopped a few times by teenagers because they look at me and think they can score pot from me.
And your comment, again, falls right into that stereotypical behavior. A look does not make a person, only an impression.
That description fits Mr. w, too (except his hair won't grow to that length.) Stereotypers provide opportunity for humor at their own expense, do they not?
511 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:16:05am |
Cool. Firefox 3.5 has a new tab thingy. All you gotta do is click the plus sign to get a new tab.
I like that. The first new "feature" that I have seen.
512 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:16:35am |
Have a great day all!
I'm going to brave the twilight zone.
513 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:17:03am |
re: #507 jcm
I've called BHO a Marxist.
For a reason.
His entire upbringing and choices in associations from his mother to Rev. Wright where steeped in Marxist ideology.
Don't forget Marshall.
514 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:17:24am |
re: #508 MandyManners
Nepalitono's show is only on the internet. There was a push to get him on the regular cable channel but it wasn't happened yet.
515 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:17:41am |
re: #506 taxfreekiller
tell me what best describes the no good dumb ass then
He'll always be FCBBHO to me.
516 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:18:09am |
re: #511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Heh. That was the first feature I disabled. I hate tabbed browsing.
517 | KingKenrod Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:18:18am |
re: #452 Killgore Trout
What This Country Needs Is a Good Terrorist Attack!
[Video]
Only Ossama can save us?
I'm no fan of Scheuer or Beck, but you're reading into this what you want to see, not discerning the point Scheuer is trying to make, which is that we are slipping back into our pre-9/11 complacency, which is just what AQ needs. This is where Obama is leading us.
Scheuer is saying we shouldn't have to be shocked out of our complacency, but that is where we are heading.
Don't you agree with that?
518 | MandyManners Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:18:23am |
re: #514 Killgore Trout
Nepalitono's show is only on the internet. There was a push to get him on the regular cable channel but it wasn't happened yet.
They'd have to kick off someone's show.
519 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:19:06am |
re: #506 taxfreekiller
tell me what best describes the no good dumb ass then
A leftist, a soft socialist (ala France), try Democrat. I am not supporting Obama on his policies, but be truthful, the man is not a communist.
Painting him with that term makes someone sound like Beck, Jones, Buchannan, Paul, Hannity and a number of other reactionary right wing kooks.
520 | VegasRick Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:19:11am |
re: #517 KingKenrod
I'm no fan of Scheuer or Beck, but you're reading into this what you want to see, not discerning the point Scheuer is trying to make, which is that we are slipping back into our pre-9/11 complacency, which is just what AQ needs. This is where Obama is leading us.
Scheuer is saying we shouldn't have to be shocked out of our complacency, but that is where we are heading.
Don't you agree with that?
Upding!
521 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:19:21am |
re: #498 buzzsawmonkey
Very cool.
I just read that out loud to my office potted plant and told it to take more initiative.
It flipped me off.
523 | Summer Seale Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:20:50am |
re: #511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Cool. Firefox 3.5 has a new tab thingy. All you gotta do is click the plus sign to get a new tab.
I like that. The first new "feature" that I have seen.
Umm...that's been kinda part of Firefox since years. =) Only, I guess you had to customize your toolbar and drag the icon on it to get the button before, perhaps. But it's always been part of the tabs since a long long time. =) I guess they added it as a default now because Chrome and Safari added it as a default a while back.
524 | Occasional Reader Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:20:56am |
re: #489 buzzsawmonkey
You, who refuse to give credence to Obama's desire to savage the Constitution by creating "positive rights" that nowhere appear there--despite the fact that he clearly endorsed such action--on the basis of your having read merely a fragment of his statement on that subject, have absolutely no grounds for savaging Beck on the basis of a very brief clip.
Well... we've seen plenty of basis for savaging Beck on all sorts of other nutty stuff, to be fair.
525 | OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:21:03am |
re: #510 wrenchwench
That description fits Mr. w, too (except his hair won't grow to that length.) Stereotypers provide opportunity for humor at their own expense, do they not?
Oh, hell, you cannot imagine the joy I've received from "bitterly clinging to guns and religion".
;)
526 | Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:21:05am |
re: #406 irongrampa
Good morning, good people.
Something to share, this is funny--wife has a mag subscription,originally in her mom and dad's name,sent to our address. So she wished to cancel delivery, sent them a note saying "occupant deceased, please stop delivery."Yesterday's mail had a magazine from these people with the name Occupant Deceased, our address, on the address label. Can't wait to straighten this one out.
Wait until the bills come. They can screw up "Deceased"'s credit rating.
527 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:21:14am |
re: #507 jcm
I've called BHO a Marxist.
For a reason.
His entire upbringing and choices in associations from his mother to Rev. Wright where steeped in Marxist ideology.
Fine, yes, Marxist tendencies, but that is not communism. The whole 1930's was full of Marxist-like federal policies, and it we didn't turn the country into a gulag.
Really, there is a difference, and even in the case of Obama, he is far from a purist Marxist.
Honestly.
528 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:21:28am |
re: #501 Creeping Eruption
Welcome to my schizophrenic State:
Wisconsin is first state with same-sex marriage ban to offer domestic partnerships
Does this mean my second wife and my Alpaca (we're very close) can now get state benefits?/
529 | SixDegrees Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:22:00am |
re: #505 Summer
RE: Firefox
Too little, too late. Unfortunately, while Firefox was at the top of the game a few years ago, it has become bloated, buggy, and unwieldy. Chrome has been my #1 browser since day one of release, and it looks like it stays that way. Safari comes in at an incredibly close second (really, no difference apart from the fact that Safari doesn't re-open automatically with tabs opened from last time...and I know about Safari Saft as I bought it in 2005 =) ).
IE? WTF is that?
It's a little disturbing to hear that, while other browsers are rapidly adding multithreading to speed up the various tasks a browser must handle, Firefox will not be adding this feature until late 2010, at the earliest.
This bolsters my contention that the whole "open source software" paradigm is a pile of myth that is incapable of producing robust, complex software that is more bug free and capable of maintenance than it's managed counterparts.
Haven't tried Chromed yet, because Google is evil.
530 | Gus Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:22:00am |
531 | OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:22:13am |
re: #524 Occasional Reader
Well... we've seen plenty of basis for savaging Beck on all sorts of other nutty stuff, to be fair.
There's no "fair" any more.
532 | subsailor68 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:22:28am |
Well, isn't this interesting:
Fuel tax could be replaced with by-the-mile road tax
Why?
Besides the technological advances making such a tax possible, the idea is getting a hard push from a growing number of transportation experts and officials. That is because the traditional by-the-gallon fuel tax, struggling to keep up with road building and maintenance demands, could fall even farther behind as vehicles' gas mileage rises and more alternative-fuel vehicles come on line.
So, on the one hand, the administration is pushing for better gas mileage and alternative fuels - telling us it will save us money (okay, I'll buy that), and on the other coming up with a new way to replace the revenue lost by what we've saved.
Similar to a town raising water rates because there was a drop in revenue when folks began conserving water - at the request of the town.
Sigh.
533 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:22:58am |
re: #519 Walter L. Newton
A leftist, a soft socialist (ala France), try Democrat. I am not supporting Obama on his policies, but be truthful, the man is not a communist.
Painting him with that term makes someone sound like Beck, Jones, Buchannan, Paul, Hannity and a number of other reactionary right wing kooks.
AVANTI - stop up dinging me. :)
534 | OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:23:14am |
535 | rightside Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:23:25am |
re: #505 Summer
Is that the browser that won't let you choose where to install it?
536 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:23:35am |
re: #505 Summer
Unfortunately, while Firefox was at the top of the game a few years ago, it has become bloated, buggy, and unwieldy.
I can identify with that.
537 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:23:37am |
'Fight them over there vs. over here' a false choice
By Ron Paul
Wednesday, July 1, 2009
There is no area in which Republicans have further strayed from our traditions than in foreign affairs.
...
Neoconservatives who have come to power in both the Democratic and Republican parties argue that the U.S. must ether confront every evil in every corner of the globe or risk danger at home. We need to "fight them over there" they say, so we don't have to "fight them over here." This argument presents a false choice. We do not have to pick between interventionism and vulnerability. The complexity of our world is exactly why the lessons of our past should ring true and demand a return to a traditional, pro-American foreign policy: one of nonintervention.
Tea Party!
538 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:23:43am |
re: #525 OldLineTexan
Oh, hell, you cannot imagine the joy I've received from "bitterly clinging to guns and religion".
;)
Well, I've been bitterly clinging to my chocolate chip cookies. So there, Mrs. Clinton.
539 | OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:23:50am |
541 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:24:27am |
542 | OldLineTexan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:24:33am |
re: #538 Emmmieg
Well, I've been bitterly clinging to my chocolate chip cookies. So there, Mrs. Clinton.
Try the semi-sweet chips, work your way out of biterness.
/
543 | Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:25:05am |
re: #521 DaddyG
Very cool.
I just read that out loud to my office potted plant and told it to take more initiative.
It flipped me off.
As long as your plant doesn't ask you to feed it.
544 | VegasRick Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:25:07am |
545 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:25:51am |
re: #540 buzzsawmonkey
We have enough squabbling on this thread already. The evidence is on the tape, I'm not going to argue about it.
546 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:25:52am |
re: #543 Kosh's Shadow
As long as your plant doesn't ask you to feed it.
Get REALLY worried if it starts singing.
547 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:26:01am |
re: #542 OldLineTexan
Try the semi-sweet chips, work your way out of biterness.
/
Actually--if you make the traditional cookie, but then add cocoa (Have to subtract a little flower to make it work), and then add the dark chips, that is...
good.
548 | VegasRick Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:26:58am |
re: #547 Emmmieg
Actually--if you make the traditional cookie, but then add cocoa (Have to subtract a little flower to make it work), and then add the dark chips, that is...
good.
No stems or seeds!
549 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:27:11am |
re: #539 OldLineTexan
ROTFLMAO
Is it like having a Nazi agree with your tax protest?
////////
Hey, I've come a long way if I'm willing to accept French style socialist, over Commie for the POTUS. I'll take the good I can get over the perfect that is out of the question.
550 | Gus Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:27:16am |
Glenn Beck has conspiracy kook guest on his program.
In other news, the sky is blue.
Film @ 11.
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551 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:27:42am |
552 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:27:53am |
553 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:28:29am |
554 | Ward Cleaver Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:28:40am |
re: #511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Cool. Firefox 3.5 has a new tab thingy. All you gotta do is click the plus sign to get a new tab.
I like that. The first new "feature" that I have seen.
I like that too. I'll no longer have to drag the New Tab icon out from the toolbar customization.
555 | Neutral President Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:29:24am |
re: #537 Killgore Trout
Because 1789s foreign policy is totally valid in a world with nuclear weapons...
/Luap Nor!
556 | Creeping Eruption Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:29:25am |
re: #528 DaddyG
Does this mean my second wife and my Alpaca (we're very close) can now get state benefits?/
Only if the second wife and Alpaca are both domesticated
558 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:29:55am |
560 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:31:03am |
re: #556 Creeping Eruption
Only if the second wife and Alpaca are both domesticated
Just the Alpaca then.../
561 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:31:15am |
re: #527 Walter L. Newton
Fine, yes, Marxist tendencies, but that is not communism. The whole 1930's was full of Marxist-like federal policies, and it we didn't turn the country into a gulag.
Really, there is a difference, and even in the case of Obama, he is far from a purist Marxist.
Honestly.
There is a difference in what he can do, and what I think he'd like to do. It's his upbringing, his training, and his choice of associations. His language and first pass at policies and ideas is consistent with that.
You are correct about both the New Deal, another discussion but I think that all should be rolled back. Communism was also a very bad deal for all involved and we are there.
The most accurate label for Obama is that he is a Statist.
He believes in the State for solutions, over and above individual's liberty in an civil society.
562 | Summer Seale Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:31:41am |
Too many REs to go on so...
Chrome? Lets you install where you want, I think...*shrugs* I haven't had a problem. I love it. Google is actually evil, but less evil than others. It's the lesser of other evils, so I'll take it for now. =)
Also, Chrome rocks. It's based on WebKit which is what Safari is built on, so it's just as fast and stable. It's also opensource I think, so that anyone can grab it and add to it.
Firefox was doing great as an OS project, the same with most flavors of Linux. The only problem is that once you get a more complicated piece of software/organization going, you really start needing some CEO leadership at the top. Right now, most Linux flavors are stuck bickering since years about the direction of Linux. It seems like Firefox has the same problem because they hit a certain critical mass. OS is great to get bugs fixed up and the like, but for direction you will always need a sort of leader at the top. It's just the way things go. If OS projects that are that big had somebody at the top saying "Okay, we're going to keep it OS but this is the direction we're moving in", then they would be getting somewhere fast. But since most of them are commies to begin with (and I use the term affectionately as in...little amusing sweet and endearing pets), that isn't happening anytime soon. =)
P.S. Did I just frigging geek out or what? I don't even know much about this stuff...it's just stuff I've read about over the years.
563 | Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:32:07am |
re: #554 Ward Cleaver
I like that too. I'll no longer have to drag the New Tab icon out from the toolbar customization.
I just use Ctrl-T or (Apple-T on Mac) to create a new tab.
Or right-click on a link and select "Open in new tab"
564 | VegasRick Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:32:36am |
565 | Creeping Eruption Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:32:44am |
re: #543 Kosh's Shadow
As long as your plant doesn't ask you to feed it.
He's safe as long as his name isn't Seymour.
566 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:33:03am |
re: #545 Killgore Trout
We have enough squabbling on this thread already.
Don't start what you aren't willing to continue.
567 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:34:02am |
568 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:34:13am |
re: #562 Summer
Geek test:
If you look at this and want it, you are far advanced in geekdom.
[Link: www.hometrainingtools.com...]
569 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:34:43am |
re: #564 VegasRick
It is. I just updinged you. Upsidedown world.
/
Clearly, Walter and I have our differences, he's a conservative ass hole, while I'm a liberal ass hole.
570 | rightside Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:35:09am |
re: #562 Summer
I downloaded it the other day, and it automatically installs it, it does not give you the option where to install, but anyway...
Are there images on your blog? I see none, so I have to guess you have them hosted on photobucket, or a similar site?
571 | Summer Seale Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:35:24am |
re: #568 Emmmieg
Geek test:
If you look at this and want it, you are far advanced in geekdom.
[Link: www.hometrainingtools.com...]
lol ok....that is definitely not something i want. =) i mean it looks printed nicely and stuff but......er...yea.
572 | saberry0530 Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:35:39am |
re: #568 Emmmieg
Geek test:
If you look at this and want it, you are far advanced in geekdom.
[Link: www.hometrainingtools.com...]
WHat if you already have one hanging on the wall in front of your desk?
573 | Ben Hur Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:35:53am |
574 | VegasRick Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:36:01am |
re: #569 avanti
Clearly, Walter and I have our differences, he's a conservative ass hole, while I'm a liberal ass hole.
You two seem to have something in common!
/
575 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:36:10am |
re: #569 avanti
Clearly, Walter and I have our differences, he's a conservative ass hole, while I'm a liberal ass hole.
Avanti, you injure my sensibilities. I would never call you a liberal :)
576 | Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:36:35am |
re: #568 Emmmieg
Geek test:
If you look at this and want it, you are far advanced in geekdom.
[Link: www.hometrainingtools.com...]
There's a song about that:
577 | Summer Seale Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:36:37am |
re: #570 rightside
I downloaded it the other day, and it automatically installs it, it does not give you the option where to install, but anyway...
Are there images on your blog? I see none, so I have to guess you have them hosted on photobucket, or a similar site?
My blog is NSFW. it's my avatar in Second Life where i create content and am known to create very nicely made skimpy outfits (amongst other things...) =P
That's my RL job.
And my site should be working...might be slow tho, I dunno.
578 | Creeping Eruption Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:36:44am |
re: #568 Emmmieg
I think it is pretty cool actually
579 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:37:21am |
re: #578 Creeping Eruption
I think it is pretty cool actually
I have the smaller version which I use when I teach my kids chemistry.
580 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:37:25am |
How health care 'reforms' will mess with your coverage
Sen. Edward Kennedy's health proposal, the Affordable Health Choices Act, is now being marked up in committee, a first step toward a vote. Critics are mounting a battle against the bill's public insurance option.But for patients, there's a bigger danger: a mandate that will limit your choice of health plans and restrict when you can see a specialist. You may be compelled to pay 10% or more of your income for insurance you don't want.
581 | DaddyG Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:38:01am |
582 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:38:03am |
re: #573 Ben Hur
Learn from France -- and consider banning the burka
Hitchens.
I sorta like this idea better:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "
584 | Summer Seale Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:38:21am |
Anyway, I'm gonna have some dinner. I'm visiting Europe atm so I'm totally on Europe time and stuff. So it's dinner time here, almost...and I'm totally hungry.
585 | unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:39:28am |
re: #540 buzzsawmonkey
I've been watching Beck lately and it appears (to me) he is attempting to be somewhat more reasonable. It could be he, through shock, gained attention, and he is now scaling back to appear reasonable. Much of the critique provided him here at LGF may have helped him recognize he was off the rails.
586 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:39:42am |
re: #575 Walter L. Newton
Avanti, you injure my sensibilities. I would never call you a liberal :)
And I defended you just yesterday, I chased away a shit eating dog.:)
587 | Ben Hur Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:39:51am |
re: #582 avanti
I sorta like this idea better:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "
Awesome!
I can sacrifice a goat in my yard while smoking weed!
588 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:40:14am |
re: #585 unrealizedviewpoint
I hope so. I really liked the old Glenn Beck. The new one? Eh. Not so much.
589 | Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:40:55am |
re: #580 jcm
Since Teddy is proposing this, I suggest we start referring to "TeddyCare". It sounds cute and cuddly, like a teddy bear, but really, Teddy cares as much about us as he cared about Mary Jo.
590 | CIA Reject Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:40:59am |
re: #587 Ben Hur
Awesome!
I can sacrifice a goat in my yard while smoking weed!
I updinged that just on the basis of sheer weirdness...
591 | albusteve Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:41:06am |
re: #587 Ben Hur
Awesome!
I can sacrifice a goat in my yard while smoking weed!
Jamaicans do that every day....no problem
592 | wrenchwench Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:41:11am |
re: #573 Ben Hur
Learn from France -- and consider banning the burka
Hitchens.
From your link:
It is depressing that our President, in addressing the Muslim world, takes the most reactionary religious practice as the symbol of rights and identity. The klansman's hood, remember, is also the symbol of a white Protestant religious "identity" movement. We may be too constitutionally squeamish to ban the klan regalia outright, but we are entitled to our prejudice against those who choose to assert themselves in this way, and I would shudder for the country if this prejudice ever showed any sign of weakening.
I don't see it as "squishy." I see it as "firm."
593 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:41:16am |
594 | jcm Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:41:34am |
re: #587 Ben Hur
Awesome!
I can sacrifice a goat in my yard while smoking weed!
Weed smoked goat BBQ!
595 | _RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:42:00am |
re: #573 Ben Hur
Learn from France -- and consider banning the burka
Hitchens.
that is a well conceived piece of writing by hitchens. thanks for posting it.
596 | Creeping Eruption Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:42:07am |
597 | Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:42:52am |
re: #594 jcm
Weed smoked goat BBQ!
Do we bake it?
No, no, no, no
Do we boil it?
No, no, no, no
We smoke it
598 | _RememberTonyC Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:43:06am |
re: #585 unrealizedviewpoint
I've been watching Beck lately and it appears (to me) he is attempting to be somewhat more reasonable. It could be he, through shock, gained attention, and he is now scaling back to appear reasonable. Much of the critique provided him here at LGF may have helped him recognize he was off the rails.
I agree on this. Roger Ailes took our advice and dialed him back a bit.
600 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:43:20am |
OPEN QUESTION...
For the last few days, Killgore and some others have mentioned that LGF seemed slow.
It wasn't slow for me until last night, and now, it certainly takes a while for the server to respond to my requests.
Now other sites do this...
Did I miss something, is this a known problem, not a problem, ?
601 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:44:07am |
re: #587 Ben Hur
Awesome!
I can sacrifice a goat in my yard while smoking weed!
Yes, to the goat sacrifice as per the Supreme court, pot by Rastafarian's in some area's and the Indians can use Peyote as far as I know.
602 | twincitiesgirl Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:44:17am |
re: #2 BlueCanuck
Hmmm, wonder if this will fix some problems I have been having lately with my version of FF at home. Pages will load with undecipherable text, clearing cache, restarting will sometimes work, but not all the time. Seems to affect page ads the most for some reason.
Just logged in. Ever since I did the latest FF update my home computer is a huge mess. Pages not loading, or loading V-E-R-Y S-L-O-W-L-Y like a dial up. the weird text, shutting down, etc. You Tube is especially bad. I've used Firefox for many years and I don't remember an update that is so buggy...or whatever the term is.
603 | Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:44:31am |
re: #583 MandyManners
The volcano of puke blows again.
That makes me think of Monty Python's Meaning of Life.
604 | Kiernan Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:44:55am |
Firefox 3.5 looks pretty good. But, it turns off the progress indicator, often referred to as the "Throbber", on the Navigator bar.
It does add the spinning wheel to the individual tabs.
To return the throbber to the task bar, right click on an open portion, (near where it used to be works), choose "Customize" from the drop down menu,
and then "drag and drop" the little wheel icon back to it former place.
Now you have booth
605 | Creeping Eruption Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:44:59am |
re: #603 Mad Al-Jaffee
That makes me think of Monty Python's Meaning of Life.
Its just a little cracker . . .
Fuck off!
606 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:45:00am |
re: #600 Walter L. Newton
OPEN QUESTION...
For the last few days, Killgore and some others have mentioned that LGF seemed slow.
It wasn't slow for me until last night, and now, it certainly takes a while for the server to respond to my requests.
Now other sites do this...
Did I miss something, is this a known problem, not a problem, ?
Correction NO other sites do this
607 | Ben Hur Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:45:16am |
re: #601 avanti
Yes, to the goat sacrifice as per the Supreme court, pot by Rastafarian's in some area's and the Indians can use Peyote as far as I know.
Sweeeet!
Weed. Goat. Peyote. Puke. Rinse. Repeat.
608 | VegasRick Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:45:18am |
re: #600 Walter L. Newton
OPEN QUESTION...
For the last few days, Killgore and some others have mentioned that LGF seemed slow.
It wasn't slow for me until last night, and now, it certainly takes a while for the server to respond to my requests.
Now other sites do this...Did I miss something, is this a known problem, not a problem, ?
It's caused by all of Avanti's updings.
/
609 | Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:45:27am |
re: #600 Walter L. Newton
OPEN QUESTION...
For the last few days, Killgore and some others have mentioned that LGF seemed slow.
It wasn't slow for me until last night, and now, it certainly takes a while for the server to respond to my requests.
Now other sites do this...
Did I miss something, is this a known problem, not a problem, ?
If all sites are slow, it could be anything from your ISP to your system.
If some sites are slow, it could be your ISP's connection to the backbones those sites are on.
If a few sites are slow, it is probably those sites, but could be your computer.
I find all sites are faster after using NoScript; Flash ads really slow down web sites.
611 | unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:46:23am |
re: #598 _RememberTonyC
I agree on this. Roger Ailes took our advice and dialed him back a bit.
He was particularly calm (and cool) on last nights Factor. Good job Beck!
612 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:46:53am |
re: #609 Kosh's Shadow
If all sites are slow, it could be anything from your ISP to your system.
If some sites are slow, it could be your ISP's connection to the backbones those sites are on.
If a few sites are slow, it is probably those sites, but could be your computer.
I find all sites are faster after using NoScript; Flash ads really slow down web sites.
I made a correction to my spelling. It's "no other sites are slow."
613 | Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:47:03am |
re: #606 Walter L. Newton
Correction NO other sites do this
How old is your computer and how much memory does it have? Big threads bog down when there isn't much memory.
614 | ~Fianna Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:47:07am |
re: #15 DaddyG
I've never messed with the browser on my PCs (all preloaded with IE) other than to update them when I got the automatic notice.
As a neophite I need some guidance.
What is the advantage to using one of these other free browsers?
I don't do any gaming on line (my kids sometimes do at home) and only rarely run video. I do try to call up large pdf files from time to time.
What say ye Lizard techie honcos?
I've been beta testing the new FF for a few weeks.
Before I start, I should fully disclose that I'm an open source evangelist, so I'm likely to be biased.
In terms of benefits - it tends to be a bit more secure (although to be fair, M$ has stepped up to the plate on this with the newer IE versions)... There are lots of easy plug-ins available for all sorts of things, including ad blocking (sorry Charles), the tab system that you're used to now in IE was a Firefox feature first and from a web developer perspective, they're all far more standards compliant than IE.
The new Firefox implements several of the WC3 CSS standards that Microsoft is years behind on, and some new ones, including a corner-radius property that means not having to use images for neat layout. That's far beyond what most people care about in a browser, but as an IT geek having to design things 3 different times (once for FF, Opera and Safari; again for IE and now for mobiles), I'm shall we say... less than partial... to IE.
615 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:47:14am |
617 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:48:34am |
re: #613 Kosh's Shadow
How old is your computer and how much memory does it have? Big threads bog down when there isn't much memory.
I'm fine, I haven't had no problems with my computer and Safari, for a matter of fact, I switched to Safari because it handled large threads better.
I've close Safari down and reloaded, it doesn't help. It's just LGF. Maybe I will restart the computer.
619 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:49:13am |
I'm going to restart my computer. BBIAB.
620 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:49:19am |
re: #617 Walter L. Newton
I'm fine, I haven't had no problems with my computer and Safari, for a matter of fact, I switched to Safari because it handled large threads better.
I've close Safari down and reloaded, it doesn't help. It's just LGF. Maybe I will restart the computer.
Okay, who was emailing Walter molasses as a practical joke?
621 | Sharmuta Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:49:25am |
re: #617 Walter L. Newton
Things improved for me when I rebooted my computer, so that's what I suggest.
622 | Kosh's Shadow Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:51:04am |
re: #620 Emmmieg
Okay, who was emailing Walter molasses as a practical joke?
No, someone jammed his computer. Lone Star?
623 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:51:16am |
re: #618 ~Fianna
Upding for being a Linux guy.
Slackware all the way for me. If my company wasn't so MS-centric, that's what I would have on my desk right now. Only reason I have MS at home is because of my video game addiction. Everything else is Linux.
624 | ~Fianna Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:57:19am |
re: #106 Mich-again
67 and breezy here and the AC is in Off mode. The clouds have blotted out the sun for days. Is it still up there?
My ac wound up in the "off" mode twice in the past 24 hours. Power outage from 2330 - 0141 and another from 0802-0909.
Killing my SLA, too. *sigh*
625 | Beldar Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:00:09am |
Yeah, I upgraded. Now my Juniper VPN doesn't remote desktop into my system at work anymore. IE8 is so screwed up on my system that it quit doing anything useful whatsoever. So I was compelled to install Chrome, and now I can VPN into work again. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next Firefox update in the hopes I can once again consolidate under one roof, so to speak.
626 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:00:11am |
re: #619 Walter L. Newton
I'm going to restart my computer. BBIAB.
Does that involve pulling a rope ?
627 | ~Fianna Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:00:16am |
re: #113 soxfan4life
1. Blame Bush.
2.Talk about Republicans pushing deregulation and blame Reagan.
3. 0bama inherited a much bigger mess than anyone thought.
4. National healthcare and cap-and-trade will fix everything.
5. Legalize marijuana and tax it.That would be my guess
I happen to agree with #5.
The main one that everyone's missing is that employment tends to be a lagging indicator. We're going to start seeing increases in other areas that will increase orders and payments for goods first, before firms have the money to hire.
628 | avanti Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:01:49am |
re: #627 ~Fianna
I happen to agree with #5.
The main one that everyone's missing is that employment tends to be a lagging indicator.
Funny, where have I heard that ? :)
629 | razorbacker Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:02:20am |
re: #373 Occasional Reader
Uncle Joe Stalin did the same thing.
Now, you see, that is where you need to deal with the Chinese.
At least when they bill the family, they only charge a minimal bullet fee.
Capitalism with a Chinese face.
630 | Red Pencil Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:09:36am |
On calling Obama a Marxist: Technically incorrect. I have seen no indication that Obama believes the proletariat will triumph over capitalism via armed struggle (the core of Marxist class struggle theory). He believes socialism will come about from above, as implemented by well meaning elitists for the benefit of the "masses". In Marx's day people like this were called "Fabian socialists". Marx (and Marx's true heirs, like Lenin) despised them. But the socialists of America and Europe today are (almost all) Fabians, not Marxists.
Ayers seemingly moved over the course of his career from being a Marxist (trying to overthrow the System through force and violence to achieve "social justice") to being a Fabian (exploiting the System to achieve the same agenda). From any evidence I have seen Obama has always been a Fabian.
631 | ~Fianna Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:21:49am |
re: #189 nyc redneck
they will out right lie. and are already doing so. i was listening to rush yesterday and it is journalistic malpractice w/ reporters saying b.s. like: people are enjoying their 'new frugality', that job losses are slowing, and that the stock mkt. has leveled off.
he also talked abt. the 372 u.s. cities that the labor dept. tracks. all have had an increase in unemployment.
and the state run media is lying abt. how good we have it.
in fact they are trying to convince us that it is fun to be poor.
It's not fun to be poor - I've been poor (as in living 3 months without power because I couldn't afford it poor, not I couldn't afford a latte poor).
But I do have to say that there are a fair amount of people who need to learn how to say no to themselves. It stinks for the responsible people that they took along with them when they ran ignorantly down the road to ruin... Taken on the whole, this mess is exactly what we had coming. From the .com nonsense forward, we've collectively decided that reality doesn't matter. You can't have a "new economy" based on companies that didn't actually make anything other than cute mascots and super bowl ads. You can't have an economy, new or old, that's based on people leveraging themselves to oblivion to buy bigscreen TVs, 3-week vacations and new cars every year.
Debt is a tool, not a way of life.
632 | Creeping Eruption Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:46:35am |
re: #615 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ahem. "A wafer thin mint."
Fuck Off? Its been about 15 years since I saw the movie. Begging my pardon . . . .
633 | ~Fianna Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:46:58am |
re: #324 Occasional Reader
While that solution might seem drastic, there is a legitimate question about what to do with big, decaying cities like Flint.
OR - I read the original report. This plan is not something the Obama administration came up with. It was initially proposed in Michigan and part of the issue is density. There are so many areas that are so devistated that it's stretching resources like education and police services very thin in ways that make no sense. Local schools in some areas have such low capacity, they still need to keep them open, though, cause that's the zoning. Streets still need to be plowed and paved, even if they're going more or less nowhere. Utilities need to maintain lines that are only going to half or less the houses they were designed to carry, which means power's getting lost before it can get used...
This is an extreme idea, yes, but there are areas where it might be something worth considering.
Here's another issue, and one that I'm familiar with - Vegas's housing market is bad, and our neighborhood is in the top-10 foreclosure zip code list. It's going to stay there for a while, too, because such a large percentage of the homes are vacant that the area looks like garbage. Areas with few foreclosures are maintaining density because they look like nice neighborhoods. Areas with many foreclosures look practically apocalyptic. Trash in yards, broken windows, vagrants squatting. This was a cute older neighborhood when I moved. Now it's dangerous. I won't let Mr. Fianna walk to the grocery store anymore if it's dark out because the major street that the neighborhood lets out on to has had a lot of violent crime in the past 6 months.
We can't sell, unless we want to just stop paying and short sale or just turn it over to the bank and take the credit hit plus the loss of anything we've put in to the house over the past 5 years. (It's not that we can't pay, it's that we've been told that for personal financial reasons, we should seriously consider whether walking away is actually an investment. I'm not happy about that, but if vegas doesn't turn around in the next 18 months, that might be all we CAN do)
If someone offered me a trade in to another neighborhood at an equal or better potential investment rate, I'd probably take it.
634 | ~Fianna Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:55:36am |
re: #332 3 wood
Nationalizing health care? Not even close, they plan on taxing a lot of stuff to pay for their proposal.
Do you think that there are tangential benefits that will make up for that?
I'm inclined to be in favor of them doing something about health care as a business owner. I'm a partner in my firm and one of our biggest problems is hiring and retaining workers. We can't offer health insurance because we simply can't afford it. I've had it quoted out several times and it's just not feasible. That hurts recruitment/retention. It's almost driven the principles themselves out of the firm and back in to a traditional job because being without health care is scary. We go work for someone else, and that's somewhere between 20-100 jobs lost instantly, not including our own (that's an estimate based on what we personally employ and the value of our contracts to our 2 major suppliers).
I wonder what the cost to US businesses on the whole is. I'd speculate that health care is both a large part of what made auto jobs good jobs that helped build a good middle class - but also is part of what made Detroit less able to compete with Asian and European manufacturers. Where's the break-even point for that on taxes v. actual cost?
Also, how many people with good ideas can't or won't take the leap to entrepreneurship because they're afriad to lose health care? How many of those people would create jobs if they stopped working for someone else and hung out a shingle?
635 | bobbuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:31:02am |
re: #88 3 wood
Job losses mount:
Private sector shed 473,000 jobs in June: ADP
Prepare for the left wing spin machine to kick into gear. What will the talking points be this time?
Yes, but 42,000,000,000,000,000 jobs SAVED!
Oh, yeah, about FF3.5: I installed it. (I had to build it because they don't provide 64bit versions.) It is much faster than previous releases. The Javascript engine compiles instead of interpreting, if I understand it correctly. It has build in audio/video support so you can watch clips or movies without a plugin. The GMail add-on still works.
636 | bobbuck Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:40:38am |
re: #24 SixDegrees
I like Firefox because I'm a Linux guy and IE simply isn't available, and because it isn't a Microsoft product.
You can use IE on Linux with Wine and it actually works. Use the IEs4linux install script and it will download everything at once. It's about the only good way to access a page with ActiveX.
637 | gregb Wed, Jul 1, 2009 5:26:17pm |
Add-ons win 8 to 4.
Works:
Adblock Plus 1.0.2
Flashblock 1.5.11.2
IE Tab 1.5.20090525
Microsoft .NET Framework Assistant 1.1
NoScript 1.9.5 (best piece of software ever)
TinEye Image Search 0.6
User Agent Switcher 0.7.2
Web Developer 1.1.8
Don't:
PC Sync 2 Synchronisation Extension 1.0.0.0.704
Norton Toolbar 3.5
Norton IPS 1.0
Google Gears 0.5.23.0
638 | leftover54 Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:23:00am |
re: #536 DaddyG
I can identify with that.
And I thought it was just me... I'm debating as to wheter I should take the plunge here. Anybody else have a problem with 'myspace' ? My son visits there under his
profile. Every time he's finished - whether he 'logs off' or I just 'switch user'and I find that I always have to re boot. Every single stinkin' time. Otherwise the pages just hang, Outllook Express craps out etc. And it takes FOREVER to close out all the apps. running so as to restart. He tells me 'no one else's PC has a problem with it ! " in that 'why can't I ? Everyone else is !' tone. The old 'if they were jumping off the GW Bridge would you do that too ?' doesn't quite work as a come-back though (shout out to all the NYC area moms !) This 1st started happening when I switched from IE to FF - which doesn't necessarily mean a thing - but it's what I choose to blame it on ! Now that I see I'm not alone with experiencing these quirks with FF I feel I have a little 'back up' to my theory and I'm stickin' wid it !
Maybe the update will be just the thing...
Hope everyone here that's taken the update plunge continues to share any 'update' issues that arise - at least for a while. I'm a scared ! .Can't imagine what I'd do if a major problem arises - the web is my universe.
639 | leftover54 Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:30:49am |
Can anyone tell me how to add an 'Outlook Express' icon to the FF tool bar ? In IE it was simple and I could just go into and click out of my e-mail program right at the top of the IE page. Of course they're both MS products, maybe this is why. I have the ability to add icons and all, there just isn't a 'Mail' icon from the list to > (add/move over) for me to choose - seems 'odd'. Also, I don't see an option to 'Send Page' or 'Send Shortcut To Desktop' from the 'File' drop down list (as in IE) although you can still 'Send Link'
or just bookmark the page. Am I missing some options that should be there ? Thanks for any tips offered...
640 | pink freud Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:33:24am |
re: #639 leftover54
Come over and post this in the LNDT. Someone there may be able to help ...and even if you don't get an answer right away, the thread will be active through late morning and you may have a better chance of getting an answer there.
643 | Edgerrr Fri, Jul 3, 2009 10:27:36pm |
I'm not a hakr like Charles but I'm no noob so I think I'll hold off for a few. Glad to hear so many are not having any probs with ver3.5 but I'm in the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" camp.
Been using FF for years (with Ad-Block...sweet add-on) and only use IE for Windows updates (FF has an IE-tab add-on that emulates the IE browser but haven't tried using it for Windows updates). Recently D/Led IE ver8 and it caused my XP Pro, SP3 machine graphics (P4 (3GHz, 1MB L2, 800MHz FSB), 2GB DDR RAM, and 7600 GT on 8x AGP, ) to slow down considerably so I removed it and went back to IE ver7. Another Vista x64 Ultimate machine seems okay with IE ver8...maybe because it has an i7-920 (rocks!), 6GB DDR3 RAM, and GTX-260 on PCIe x16.
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