Beck and Scheuer: Only an Attack By Osama Bin Laden Can Save America

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In this clip from the Glenn Beck Comedy Hour, former CIA agent (and complete wacko) Michael Scheuer says the only thing that can save America from illegal immigration is for “Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States.”

Good grief.

Beck, of course, nods and agrees with this warped analysis, and says, “Which is why I was thinking this weekend, if I were him that would be the last thing I would do right now.”

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(Hat tip: LGF readers.)

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1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:52:20am

The new patriot.

Sheesh.

2 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:52:23am

What Beck was really thinking: "Dang this guy is ratings gold! Maybe I can afford that 24' yacht after all?"

3 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:54:16am

Make The Stupid stop! I can't stand it.

4 Baier  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:54:18am

As proven here on LGF, Beck is an punk, a liar and a jazziphobe.

5 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:54:43am

Sure, an attack would "wake people up", but there are plenty of people that are wided-eyed to the situation and not being quiet about it. Don't wish the deaths of many on this country to push your goal.

What an asshat.

6 nines09  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:55:50am

But who will save us from ourselves? Shoot your TV.

7 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:56:10am

I just noticed in the previous thread, some people were arguing that Beck didn't agree with Scheuer -- but he absolutely DID. He nodded along with Scheuer, then said, "Which is why I was thinking..."

That's agreement, by any definition. Beck didn't say one word to counter Scheuer, he implicitly agreed with his statement by saying "which is why..."

8 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:56:55am

The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States.

It certainly sounds like he thinks this must happen, not even mentioning he hopes it doesn't happen.

I'm sorry, but to think the only way to save the country is by having countless Americans die to make a point is....insanity.

9 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:57:11am

Just think how horrible it would be if the military found and killed Osama. /s

10 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:57:52am

Help us Osama Bin Kenobi. You're our only hope!

Insane.

11 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:59:19am

re: #9 avanti

Just think how horrible it would be if the military found and killed Osama. /s

Better to keep Osama locked up in a cave somewhere in Pakistan than dead. That way he won't be able to vote in Chicago.

12 MJ  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 9:59:22am

Scheuer is a vicious Jew-hater.

13 RunningBare  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:00:11am

I'm deeply concerned.

14 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:00:11am
15 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:00:16am

re: #12 MJ

Scheuer is a vicious Jew-hater.

And a Paulian.

16 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:00:22am

Does it ever occur to these alarmists that we could elect people who will actually reform the system, or do they think everything has to be a catastrophe?

17 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:00:24am

The far right is crazy, the far left is nuts. Where is sanity? Is there any middle ground anymore?

18 Russkilitlover  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:00:28am

re: #7 Charles

I can't get video sound today (for some reason), but I did watch the interplay of analysis of this vid between Buzzsawmonkey and Kilgore. Buzz seemed to put it in correct context, while Kilgore was in a bit of froth mode.

Just sayin'

19 Randall Gross  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:00:30am

I still hold Scheurer primarily responsible for not getting Bin Laden even though he tries to deflect the blame in his lame book.

20 Yashmak  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:01:02am

The only way to save this country has nothing to do with immigration or terrorism. The only way to save this country is a widespread revival of the idea of personal responsibility, and to get rid of the notion that the government's function is to take care of, and provide for the individual.

21 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:01:27am

Beck needs to stop putting on an act for ratings and try to be a legitimate reporter like Dan Rather...er...Geraldo Rivera...er...Walter Cronkite...er...

never mind. /

22 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:01:42am

I'd like to see Beck open his program with an all-American melody,
... cheerily singing a capella ... "Home, home on derangement"

.

/and then he could roll his eyes and waggle his tongue

23 MJ  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:01:48am

re: #12 MJ

Scheuer is a vicious Jew-hater.

Michael Scheuer Watch #1: The Jewish Conspiracy
06.07.2007 - 12:49 PM

Are Jews running U.S. foreign policy from behind the scenes? This is a question lately on many lips, from those of Jimmy Carter to professors John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, respectively of the University of Chicago and Harvard, on down to David Duke, Ph.D., of the Ku Klux Klan.

One of the pioneers in resurrecting this idea, first put into wide circulation in this country in the early part of the 20th century by the industrialist Henry Ford in his tract The International Jew, is Michael Scheuer. Formerly of the CIA, where he ran the unit responsible for tracking down Osama bin Laden, Scheuer has not only kept himself occupied writing books—see my discussion of one of them in What Became of the CIA—he has also been busy on the lecture circuit....


[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

24 shifty  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:01:55am

Everyone is overreacting to this stupid video. The part he was nodding at was when he said 'Only Osama could pull off an attack that would make us demand the government do something to protect us.' I dont find agreeing with this statement very strange since that was exactly what it took for the government to do something. They didnt do jack before 9/11.
When did this place turn into Kos?

25 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:02:15am

re: #16 Sharmuta

Does it ever occur to these alarmists that we could elect people who will actually reform the system, or do they think everything has to be a catastrophe?

I think people assume they have to react with an equal and opposite crazy. 'I'll see your crazy, and raise you one nutcase.'

26 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:02:47am

re: #17 VioletTiger

The far right is crazy, the far left is nuts. Where is sanity? Is there any middle ground anymore?

Here at LGF, it seems. Even our resident liberals prefer here to Kos or DU.

27 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:02:48am

Bat shit crazy is the big new thing for summer

28 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:02:56am

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

I do not see or hear anything in this clip which deals with immigration, legal or illegal.

This came at the end of a discussion on illegal immigration, and how the government is not protecting the country.

I also do not see Beck as "agreeing with" Scheuer's analysis; he is agreeing that an attack would encourage support for a strong and violent response--but if he is agreeing with Scheuer's propositions as set forth in the clip, that agreement does not appear in the clip itself.

Yes, it does. He implicitly agrees when he says "which is why." This phrase indicates that he accepts Scheuer's analysis, and is making the point that Bin Laden would NOT do this because he doesn't want to save America.

29 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:03:21am

I've listened to the clip several times, and I must say, I don't really understand Beck's final comment. He seems to be referring to bin Laden when he says "which is why I was thinking this weekend that if I were him, that's the last thing I would do right now."

In any case, Beck should clarify his position regarding Sheuer's crazy rant. I think I agree with Charles that the head nod and "which is why" opening seems to be a continuation of Sheuer's remarks, not a refutation of them.

30 MJ  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:03:36am

That Michael Scheuer Sure is One Crazy Jew-Hater

...According to a very interesting story by National Journal writer Sydney J. Freedberg, Jr., Michael Scheuer, the man the CIA counted on to catch Osama Bin-Laden, had this to say about Israel:

Israel is not only an unnecessary and self-made liability for the United States, it is an untreated and spreading cancer on our domestic politics, foreign policy, and national security.


In my experience, the only people who refer to Jews, or to the Jewish state, as a "cancer" are the leaders of Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda. Comparing Jews to diseases or pathogens went out of style in about 1945, in fact. Nice going there, Mike.

[Link: jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com...]

31 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:03:43am

re: #16 Sharmuta

Does it ever occur to these alarmists that we could elect people who will actually reform the system, or do they think everything has to be a catastrophe?

Well, these people support Ron Paul.

32 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:03:47am

re: #11 DaddyG

Better to keep Osama locked up in a cave somewhere in Pakistan than dead. That way he won't be able to vote in Chicago.

Maybe send ACORN to look for him ?

33 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:03:50am

re: #25 VioletTiger

I think people assume they have to react with an equal and opposite crazy. 'I'll see your crazy, and raise you one nutcase.'

I think Beck is about to move all in. (I think his hold cards are a pair of Jokers)

34 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:04:25am

re: #24 shifty

Everyone is overreacting to this stupid video. The part he was nodding at was when he said 'Only Osama could pull off an attack that would make us demand the government do something to protect us.' I dont find agreeing with this statement very strange since that was exactly what it took for the government to do something. They didnt do jack before 9/11.
When did this place turn into Kos?

You don't see a problem in suggesting that a major terrorist attack would be a good thing because it would rally the American people? I am deeply concerned.

35 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:05:04am

re: #17 VioletTiger

The far right is crazy, the far left is nuts. Where is sanity? Is there any middle ground anymore?

Charlestown.

36 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:05:37am

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anti-Americanism is the new patriotism.
/Pantaloons!re: #9 avanti

Just think how horrible it would be if the military found and killed Osama. /s

That's another point that we missed earlier. Bin Laden is dead and Al Qaeda is pretty much gone from the international scene. They are just hoping for a fantasy event that will probably not happen.

37 Yashmak  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:05:55am

Don't you all understand? This is Obama's super-secret homeland security plan. Get a bunch of known far-right talking heads to say that a terror attack on this nation would be a good idea, to persuade the terrorists not to do it!

OBAMA IS A GENIUS! /sarc (as if you couldn't tell)

38 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:06:09am

Scheuer is a kook, and a dangerous one at that.

39 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:06:13am

re: #35 avanti

Charlestown.

A Little Island in the sea of Crazy.

40 wkeller  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:06:27am

This certainly is a nice little nugget for the left to grab on to and bandy about to show what a whack Beck is. But, let's set aside this insane fear/option the CIA guy offers and ask a simple question about illegal immigration:

Is anyone in Washington going to stop it?

"Immigration reform" is on the fast track along with carbon taxes and the socialization of our medical industry. All versions being talked about include amnesty for the criminal and their immediate family. This will bring into our country well over 30 million new "citizens". At a time when we are loosing around 500,000 jobs per month, state and federal revenues are falling through the floor and taxes are exploding.

Just what will it take for our elected officials to actually enforce the sovereignty of our nation? Are we even a sovereign nation anymore?

Bash Beck and the CIA guy all you wish, the bottom line is that our nation is at risk of being overcome by a flood of criminals who do not give a damn about our country. What would it take for Washington to stand and say "Enough!"

41 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:06:41am

Oy vey. The crazy keeps on coming.

42 sagehen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:06:45am

So Glenn Beck and Michael Sheuer is who "Jericho" was trying to warn us about?

(Skeet Ulrich. Yum.)

43 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:07:23am

re: #24 shifty

Everyone is overreacting to this stupid video. The part he was nodding at was when he said 'Only Osama could pull off an attack that would make us demand the government do something to protect us.' I dont find agreeing with this statement very strange since that was exactly what it took for the government to do something. They didnt do jack before 9/11.
When did this place turn into Kos?

Overreacting? I have yet to see overreacting. No one here is flailing their arms around and saying "the sky is falling". I do see a number of people concerned that there are those who believe that the only way to get the populace rallied and the government active is to have an attack on our soil.

Some people seem to forget that during the Bush administration we /didn't/ have one after 9/11.

As for the comparison to KOS, here's something that I think would be attributable to that site, me saying to you "f*cking noob".

44 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:07:33am

re: #29 subsailor68

In any case, Beck should clarify his position regarding Sheuer's crazy rant. I think I agree with Charles that the head nod and "which is why" opening seems to be a continuation of Sheuer's remarks, not a refutation of them.


He's pretty clear. He agrees with the assessment and was thinking the same thing. There's not really any doubt about it.

45 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:07:52am

Sort of related, the head (or other end) of Ham-ass says Obama was elected because the US is afraid of jihad.
Article here

46 shifty  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:08:29am

re: #34 VioletTiger

You don't see a problem in suggesting that a major terrorist attack would be a good thing because it would rally the American people? I am deeply concerned.

That's not the part Beck was nodding at. You couldnt even see Beck's facial expression before he started with 'Only Osama could pull off such an attack'. The crazy guest was the only one who comes close to suggesting it might be a good thing.

47 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:08:31am

So, following Beck and Scheuer's logic, La Raza and MECHa should put a price on bin Laden's head, and send teams of gangbangers from L.A. to take him out.

/my head hurts now

48 Russkilitlover  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:08:42am

re: #16 Sharmuta

Does it ever occur to these alarmists that we could elect people who will actually reform the system, or do they think everything has to be a catastrophe?

The US is operating in catastrophe mode at the moment. You can have your arguments that the right is doing so and have even stronger arguments that the left is doing so - just gaze upon the economic train wreck that is Obama's policies and the never before seen government grab of private business. All rammed down our throats in the name of "urgency," "catastrophe,"

49 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:09:23am

re: #40 wkeller

Are we even a sovereign nation anymore?


Yes.

50 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:09:30am

re: #40 wkeller If the Romans had just given citizenship to the Visigoths their capital wouldn't have been sacked and Honorius would have won that second term so he could have enacted universal health care./

51 MJ  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:09:53am

Michael Scheur is quoted approvingly on web sites such as Stormfront and Anti-War.

Find your own links but this is a guy whose appeal is to Jew-haters of all stripes.

52 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:10:04am

re: #47 Ward Cleaver

Maybe ACORN will find Bin Laden as long as he fills out his census form.

53 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:11:05am

re: #50 DaddyG

If the Romans had just given citizenship to the Visigoths their capital wouldn't have been sacked and Honorius would have won that second term so he could have enacted universal health care./

LMAO!

54 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:11:13am
55 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:11:26am

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Maybe ACORN will find Bin Laden as long as he fills out his census form.

They'll fill it out for him.
Funny, Bin Laden turns out to be a citizen, wants to register as a Democrat, and the same is true for his 30 wives and 300 children.
/do I need to?

56 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:11:33am

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Maybe ACORN will find Bin Laden as long as he fills out his census form.

Not Likely. Osama is protesting the intrusive census questions like "How many goats do you have" and "do they sleep in your bedroom or a separate cave?"

57 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:11:44am

re: #44 Killgore Trout

He's pretty clear. He agrees with the assessment and was thinking the same thing. There's not really any doubt about it.

Yeah, Killgore, it sure does look like it, doesn't it. I guess that's why I noted that Beck should clarify this - if, in fact, he didn't mean that. Might be interesting to catch the open of his show tonight.

Hey wait! Maybe that's his cunning plan - ratings boost.

;-)

58 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:11:45am

re: #51 MJ

Michael Scheur is quoted approvingly on web sites such as Stormfront and Anti-War.

Find your own links but this is a guy whose appeal is to Jew-haters of all stripes.

Plus, it looks like he cuts his own hair. Good grief.

59 doppelganglander  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:11:58am

re: #50 DaddyG

If the Romans had just given citizenship to the Visigoths their capital wouldn't have been sacked and Honorius would have won that second term so he could have enacted universal health care./

Eventually, the Romans did give citizenship to the Visigoths, just as they did almost every group they conquered. Some groups assimilated and adopted Roman ways; others, not so much.

60 Randall Gross  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:12:19am

re: #40 wkeller

Actually the Republicans tried for immigration reform -- a huge "build a wall" nativist backlash stopped them from doing that. Now we get immigration reform driven by the dems. Happy about that?

/ time for Mandy's standard rant

61 ointmentfly  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:12:19am

I'm not seeing the controversy.... Scheuer is saying that the only way the politicians will effectively secure our borders is in response to another attack by Osama bin Laden.

Especially with Obama in office.... every illegal is a democrat constituent according to the last election. The politicians in control are not movtivated to secure our border because it enhances their power base.

62 RunningBare  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:13:10am

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Maybe ACORN will find Bin Laden as long as he fills out his census form.


Hell, I bet ACORN registered him to vote last election.

63 zombie  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:13:11am

The video was uploaded by Media Matters.

Splendid.

Far left Soros-funded think-tank vs. conservative shock jock.

What is this, the seventh circle of hell?

64 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:13:36am

re: #56 DaddyG

Not Likely. Osama is protesting the intrusive census questions like "How many goats do you have" and "do they sleep in your bedroom or a separate cave?"

Or "How many guns do you have in the house?"

65 tfc3rid  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:13:57am

re: #63 zombie

The video was uploaded by Media Matters.

Splendid.

Far left Soros-funded think-tank vs. conservative shock jock.

What is this, the seventh circle of hell?

I can tell you Beck doesn't give a crap about Media Matters or anything...

66 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:14:02am

re: #54 buzzsawmonkey

I see him accepting the notion that a big domestic attack would cause huge support for additional force to burgeon (which is why "bin Laden" or his stand-in would be a fool to do it), but I don't see Beck as sharing Scheuer's obvious desire for such an attack.

I see your point now (and you DO have one, subtle though it might be.)
Thanks for that clarification.

67 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:14:03am

re: #46 shifty

That's not the part Beck was nodding at. You couldnt even see Beck's facial expression before he started with 'Only Osama could pull off such an attack'. The crazy guest was the only one who comes close to suggesting it might be a good thing.

But then Beck says he was thinking this weekend that it would be the last thing he would do if he was Osama. How else can you interpret this other than he thinks it would be a good thing?

68 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:14:16am

re: #54 buzzsawmonkey

That's the peril of relying on clips, and not seeing the whole program. It would be interesting to see the whole thing;


Here's the complete segment.....
Glenn Beck: June 30, U.S. - Mexico Border Scandal

Youtube Video
69 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:14:30am

re: #44 Killgore Trout

He's pretty clear. He agrees with the assessment and was thinking the same thing. There's not really any doubt about it.

No doubt to you apparently. I'm giving Beck the benefit of the doubt just as others have. But, I'm one who tries his hardest to be fair and not paint with an overly wide brush.

70 doppelganglander  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:15:14am

re: #60 Thanos

Actually the Republicans tried for immigration reform -- a huge "build a wall" nativist backlash stopped them from doing that. Now we get immigration reform driven by the dems. Happy about that?

/ time for Mandy's standard rant


Immigration "reform" seems to be the one issue Democrats and Republicans can agree on. It's not left vs. right or one party vs. the other; it's elites who want cheap labor and pliable voters vs. ordinary people who demand the rule of law and whose livelihoods and lifestyles are threatened.

71 zombie  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:15:23am

If this is what the media and the media's debunkers have to offer, I'm going to switch the channel to something more thought-provoking -- such as the WWE's Friday Night Wrestling Smackdown!

72 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:15:39am

re: #16 Sharmuta

Does it ever occur to these alarmists that we could elect people who will actually reform the system, or do they think everything has to be a catastrophe?

No. Alarmists of all stripes would rather think everything needs to be catastophe.

73 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:16:29am

re: #51 MJ

Michael Scheur is quoted approvingly on web sites such as Stormfront and Anti-War.

Find your own links but this is a guy whose appeal is to Jew-haters of all stripes.

Far left and far right collide at Jew hate. It's always the common thread.

74 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:17:02am

re: #71 zombie

If this is what the media and the media's debunkers have to offer, I'm going to switch the channel to something more thought-provoking -- such as the WWE's Friday Night Wrestling Smackdown!

Now we are talking.... ( I hate those wrestling shows.. except for the Divas.. turn off the sound and just watch them...)

75 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:17:14am

re: #71 zombie

If this is what the media and the media's debunkers have to offer, I'm going to switch the channel to something more thought-provoking -- such as the WWE's Friday Night Wrestling Smackdown!

At least you know it's fake.

/with the news some times it's hard to tell.

76 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:17:20am

re: #72 Honorary Yooper

Alarmists of all stripes would rather think everything needs to be catastophe.

We need to censor all alarmists now or the results could be catastrophic!

/

77 Randall Gross  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:17:21am

re: #63 zombie

The video was uploaded by Media Matters.

Splendid.

Far left Soros-funded think-tank vs. conservative shock jock.

What is this, the seventh circle of hell?

Is it Dante's 7th circle, or the Chinese version? (chamber of dismemberment by chariot...)

78 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:17:26am

I believe I have only made one post about Beck here before...
I think it bears repeating:
Beck is a fucking Clown..

79 Neutral President  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:17:58am

This is the 7th circle of hell alright.

Kook Paulian crap from Beck in front of me here.
Paulian conspiracy theories about the economy in one ear.
Kook woo-woo conspiracy theories about "big pharma" and how all these quacks on the internet are "on to something" in the other ear.

It's nauseating. Blasting music in headphones now.

80 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:18:13am

re: #73 Sharmuta

Far left and far right collide at Jew hate. It's always the common thread.

If the Jews control the world, they are doing a piss poor job of keeping people from hating them... might have to re-write the Protocols of the elders of Zion.. need a 2.0 version...

/// big sarc ///

81 tfc3rid  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:18:14am

Let's ask this question here... If there is another attack that is proven to have happened from someone who came through the porous border (North or South, BTW), would that wake up the pols to how terrible the situation is?

I say, it would.

Would never root for it but there would be aggressive action to seal the border.

82 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:18:14am

re: #69 unrealizedviewpoint

Watch the whole segment (see #68). They also claim that the government (Dems and Reps) don't want to capture Bin Laden. They're both batshit insane.

83 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:18:17am

re: #68 Killgore Trout

The most dangerous place in the world is the US-Mexico border!

Has he been to the border of Afghanistan-Pakistan to verify that?

84 Dahveed  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:18:27am

Why are people on the right acting in ways that make Al Franken/Nancy Pelosi/Barney Frank look like a reasonable, centered individuals?

85 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:18:54am

BBL

86 wintercat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:18:57am

Yet another reason for me to continue NOT watching Fox News.

87 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:19:08am

re: #69 unrealizedviewpoint

No doubt to you apparently. I'm giving Beck the benefit of the doubt just as others have. But, I'm one who tries his hardest to be fair and not paint with an overly wide brush.

You can go ahead and give Beck the benefit of the doubt if you want to, but I would argue that he's long ago forfeited the right to that benefit. This clip doesn't just pop up in a vacuum, where Glenn Beck has never said anything extreme before -- he has a long history of supporting extreme fringe opinions.

88 zombie  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:19:14am

I'd better write that essay quick. The political sweet-spot has turned sour.

89 ointmentfly  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:19:25am

re: #78 HoosierHoops

I believe I have only made one post about Beck here before...
I think it bears repeating:
Beck is a fucking Clown..

Atleast conservatives keep the clowns on TV and don't elect them to be US senators..... Way to go Minnesota. Who is next? FYI - Homer Simpson is not real and connot be elected....

90 gander  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:19:29am

Why, why? Why do whack-jobs get TV shows?

91 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:19:41am

re: #40 wkeller

The more "illegals" coming in to this country means more "democrats" coming in to strengthen their party. It is the life's blood of that party.

92 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:19:54am

re: #73 Sharmuta

Far left and far right collide shake hands at Jew hate. It's always the common thread.

FTFY.

93 Randall Gross  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:20:00am

re: #70 doppelganglander

Regardless of how you think of it, I would rather the R's control the direction than the Dems. That chance was blown.

94 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:20:05am

re: #84 Dahveed

Why are people on the right acting in ways that make Al Franken/Nancy Pelosi/Barney Frank look like a reasonable, centered individuals?

Because the right can only raise a few pundits and the occasional politician that rises to the level of the leadership of the Democratic party.

95 KenJen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:20:08am

re: #78 HoosierHoops

I believe I have only made one post about Beck here before...
I think it bears repeating:
Beck is a fucking Clown..

Yes he is. Can't stand to watch him. I had to take a swig of whiskey and bite down on a boot strap before watching the clip.

96 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:20:10am

re: #90 gander

Why, why? Why do whack-jobs get TV shows?

one word

RATINGS

97 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:20:14am

re: #90 gander

Why, why? Why do whack-jobs get TV shows?

Ratings?

98 NoWhereAlaska  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:20:46am

Catastrophic events bring changes. What the clip says is that the only chance we have of changing the folks in Washington NOW is for such a catastrophic event. (Specifically a major weapon by Bin Ladin.) The clip above is not nothing but an overstatement of a fact of life in America. All the negative condemnation of the two kooks, is peripheral to what was stated. We have seen that the events of 9/11 brought wholesale changes in America. Many of them counter to the traditional liberties we have enjoyed for years. Folks, I think you are over the top on this one.

99 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:20:48am

re: #90 gander

Why do whack-jobs get TV shows?


Because the whack-jobs at home want something whacky to watch.

100 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:21:05am

re: #87 Charles

You can go ahead and give Beck the benefit of the doubt if you want to, but I would argue that he's long ago forfeited the right to that benefit. This clip doesn't just pop up in a vacuum, where Glenn Beck has never said anything extreme before -- he has a long history of supporting extreme fringe opinions.

Not to mention just giving air time to the fringe. Fox News does this all the time.

101 MJ  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:21:10am

re: #84 Dahveed

Why are people on the right acting in ways that make Al Franken/Nancy Pelosi/Barney Frank look like a reasonable, centered individuals?

The question is why is the media-in this case Fox- giving a known Jew-hater a platform to spew his hatred?
Why does MSNBC and Fox give Pat Buchanan a platform to spew his Jew-hatred?

102 gander  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:21:17am

re: #99 Killgore Trout

and here I am at work......

103 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:21:50am

re: #63 zombie

The video was uploaded by Media Matters.

Splendid.

Far left Soros-funded think-tank vs. conservative shock jock.

What is this, the seventh circle of hell?

Unfortunately, we've reached a point with people like Beck where the right won't denounce him -- in fact, more than a few right-wingers have turned support for Glenn Beck into a litmus test for conservatives.

If there were a clip uploaded to YouTube by a conservative source I would have used that one. But I don't expect to see that happening any time soon.

104 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:21:51am

re: #90 gander

Why, why? Why do whack-jobs get TV shows?

Probably because there are far too few train wreck videos to fill the airtime.

105 zombie  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:22:05am

re: #77 Thanos

Is it Dante's 7th circle, or the Chinese version? (chamber of dismemberment by chariot...)

A combination of the two, with a dash of Room 101 tossed in for good measure.

106 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:22:09am

re: #91 hous bin pharteen

The more "illegals" coming in to this country means more "democrats" coming in to strengthen their party. It is the life's blood of that party.

It's a huge untapped constituency. But if the illegals are legalized, the cost to employers to hire them will go up, and they will eventually be replaced by new illegals.

107 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:22:18am

re: #98 NoWhereAlaska

Catastrophic events bring changes. What the clip says is that the only chance we have of changing the folks in Washington NOW is for such a catastrophic event. (Specifically a major weapon by Bin Ladin.) The clip above is not nothing but an overstatement of a fact of life in America. All the negative condemnation of the two kooks, is peripheral to what was stated. We have seen that the events of 9/11 brought wholesale changes in America. Many of them counter to the traditional liberties we have enjoyed for years. Folks, I think you are over the top on this one.

After seeing the smoke coming from the Pentagon with my own eyes, not on a TV, on 9/11, I can tell you it's nowhere near the top.

108 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:22:24am

re: #71 zombie

If this is what the media and the media's debunkers have to offer, I'm going to switch the channel to something more thought-provoking -- such as the WWE's Friday Night Wrestling Smackdown!

Try HULU. After review, I must state that the 1st season of Buck Rogers was greatly superior to the 2nd season.

109 jaunte  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:22:31am

I'll bet Rahm Emanuel is just tickled silly about this. Nice work on the distractions, Sideshow Beck!

110 gregb  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:23:04am

Holy cr*p. I was just reeling from the first statement--did he really just say that? Then off he goes and repeats it.

What sort of bubble must that guy live in.

111 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:23:30am

re: #95 KenJen

Yes he is. Can't stand to watch him. I had to take a swig of whiskey and bite down on a boot strap before watching the clip.

Sorry to go OT, but how is the car hunting going? Is the Mercedes-Benz out of the picture?

112 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:23:58am

re: #109 jaunte

I'll bet Rahm Emanuel is just tickled silly about this. Nice work on the distractions, Sideshow Beck!

Watch the Birdie.

113 kaziggy2  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:24:45am

re# 87 You can go ahead and give Beck the benefit of the doubt if you want to, but I would argue that he's long ago forfeited the right to that benefit. This clip doesn't just pop up in a vacuum, where Glenn Beck has never said anything extreme before -- he has a long history of supporting extreme fringe opinions.
He also has quite a history of being correct, but you have to have listened to his radio show at the start of the Iraq war to know that!

114 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:24:48am

Cable news ratings....
Fox News goes 10 for 10

Glenn Beck, who takes aim at the administration repeatedly, is proving an even bigger draw since coming over from HLN: His 5 p.m. slot is up 110 percent from last year. Such a trend shows commentators like Beck can thrive in the opposition.

From TVNewser:

8pm - O'Reilly Factor — 3,188,000
9pm - Hannity — 2,341,000
5pm - Glenn Beck — 2,053,000

115 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:25:10am

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Try HULU. After review, I must state that the 1st season of Buck Rogers was greatly superior to the 2nd season.

Really? You mean it got much worse?

116 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:25:17am

Here's something you may have missed. Pastor Rick Warren will be addressing the Islamic Society of North America ...

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

I think if the ISNA wants to be a positive force, it could be a good thing. But my skepticism remains until there is evidence of actual good deeds.

117 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:25:40am

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Try HULU. After review, I must state that the 1st season of Buck Rogers was greatly superior to the 2nd season.

So true. once they got on that stupid ship to wander the universe and the hawk man guy... At least Erin Grey was on... Loved the tight spandex...

118 wkeller  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:26:01am

re: #60 Thanos

Actually the Republicans tried for immigration reform -- a huge "build a wall" nativist backlash stopped them from doing that. Now we get immigration reform driven by the dems. Happy about that?

/ time for Mandy's standard rant

Actually NO, I'm not happy about that. I'm NOT happy is wasn't built, I'm NOT happy it wasn't weaponized. I'm NOT happy the Mexican government assists criminals to enter our country illegally, I'm NOT happy my tax dollars goes to give these criminals a free education, free health care, housing assistance, food assistance - and what ever other assistance these criminals are receiving. I'm NOT happy states give these criminals drivers licenses. I'm NOT happy states give these criminals in-state tuition.

And I AM NOT HAPPY ANY - AND I MEAN ANY - PARTY refuses to address the invasion of our country by criminals and their families.

And that is my standard rant on illegal immigrants.

119 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:26:04am

What continues to surprise me is the total lack of astuteness on the right. They can no longer seem to gage when they should speak their mind and when they should keep their crazy thoughts to themselves.

120 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:27:38am

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Try HULU. After review, I must state that the 1st season of Buck Rogers was greatly superior to the 2nd season.

The woman on there was hot. And Gil Gerard played it kinda tongue-in-cheek.

121 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:27:41am

re: #119 VioletTiger what is the point of having crazy thoughts if you can't share them with millions of viewers on a cable news channel?/

122 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:27:56am

re: #116 _RememberTonyC

Here's something you may have missed. Pastor Rick Warren will be addressing the Islamic Society of North America ...

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

I think if the ISNA wants to be a positive force, it could be a good thing. But my skepticism remains until there is evidence of actual good deeds.

He's a ho.

123 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:28:15am

re: #19 Thanos

I still hold Scheurer primarily responsible for not getting Bin Laden even though he tries to deflect the blame in his lame book.

Haven't read it. But I'll shinny out on a pretty sturdy limb and suggest that it is almost entirely fiction. Bin Laden is recent enough news that anyone working for the CIA during his rise and the search for him in Afghanistan would still be tightly bound by security restrictions keeping him from divulging such information under penalty of imprisonment for a very long time. I'm guessing that the reason he hasn't been brought up on charges is simply that there is nothing even remotely factual in his book.

Has anyone verified that he actually worked for the CIA, and if true that he worked there as something other than a janitor or valet?

124 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:28:47am

It is the Glen Beck's of the world who are destroying any chance at all that the democrats will be unseated in 2010. This senseless and stupid chatter drives people from the center to the left because the right seems just too damn craven. And that means 4 more years of Barack's agenda for America. Are Beck and his ilk actually secretly on Soro's payroll? I mean really, how stupid can they be?

125 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:29:00am

re: #115 BlueCanuck

Really? You mean it got much worse?

Yup. Now on the humorous side, you can see lots of actors in bit roles. The guy who does the all state commercials was a security guard in season 1 and was a Naval officer in season 2. Jack Palance, Markie Post and Jamie Lee Curtis each had an episode. Sid Haig played several different bad guys. Gary Coleman played the most intelligent man in the universe. A cornucopia of early 80s cheez.

126 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:29:20am

re: #87 Charles

You can go ahead and give Beck the benefit of the doubt if you want to, but I would argue that he's long ago forfeited the right to that benefit. This clip doesn't just pop up in a vacuum, where Glenn Beck has never said anything extreme before -- he has a long history of supporting extreme fringe opinions.


reposted from last thread:

re: #585 unrealizedviewpoint

I've been watching Beck lately and it appears (to me) he is attempting to be somewhat more reasonable. It could be he, through shock, gained attention, and he is now scaling back to appear reasonable. Much of the critique provided him here at LGF may have helped him recognize he was off the rails.

Beck currently has the #1 and #5 book on the NYT best seller list. Maybe there's more to Beck than some here at LGF see?

127 Neutral President  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:29:39am

re: #119 VioletTiger

What continues to surprise me is the total lack of astuteness on the right. They can no longer seem to gage when they should speak their mind and when they should keep their crazy thoughts to themselves.

And the inability to look critically to see if what's being told to them is true, or just what they want to hear. I don't think that is just a problem on the right though, but this shortcoming is front and center for the right at the moment.

128 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:29:44am

Free Republic enthusiastically agrees that we need Osama to attack:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

129 KenJen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:29:45am

re: #111 Ward Cleaver

Sorry to go OT, but how is the car hunting going? Is the Mercedes-Benz out of the picture?

Have not decided yet. The Benz if free from my dad. The insurance is higher than I thought it would be. I am trying to decide if I need two cars. It's in good shape and I would feel guilty letting the dogs (5 of them) take it over but I'm tired of the mess they leave in my daily car. I can't believe I'm thinking of not taking a free Mercedes.

130 doppelganglander  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:29:50am

re: #93 Thanos

Regardless of how you think of it, I would rather the R's control the direction than the Dems. That chance was blown.

The Republicans might have done marginally better. They probably would have insisted on better border control, but that's not the only issue. For example, every year employers demand more and more H1B visas for IT professionals, and every year Republicans support their demands. Every holder of an H1B visa puts an American IT professional out of work. Employers claim they can't find Americans with the right skills, but the truth is they can't find an American who will do the work for the pittance a visa holder will accept.

The Democrats, OTOH, seem to prefer to import a peasant class to mow their lawns, clean their houses, and vote Democrat. 30 million new Dems, indoctrinated as members of their very own grievance group, is not what most people want for this country.

Basically, they both suck.

131 zombie  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:30:11am

re: #103 Charles

Unfortunately, we've reached a point with people like Beck where the right won't denounce him -- in fact, more than a few right-wingers have turned support for Glenn Beck into a litmus test for conservatives.

If there were a clip uploaded to YouTube by a conservative source I would have used that one. But I don't expect to see that happening any time soon.

The highlighted terms are what make me depressed. "Right," "left," "conservative" and "liberal" have lost all meaning as coherent ideologies. I'm annoyed that I am required to distance myself from someone (Beck) whose views bear little relation to my own, simply because on some outdated meaningless scale we're both classified as "right-wing."

New terms are needed to describe new orientations that jettison the old constellation of political alliances. I see now that is my new task.

132 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:30:16am

I just want to know if the "illegals" are going to have to pay taxes, since the rest of us are going to get drowned.

OT: Are you going to even get taxed by each turd you flush down the toilet?
"Global Warming" , the "environment", Algore bank account, and all that crap?

133 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:30:26am
134 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:30:38am

re: #128 Charles

Free Republic enthusiastically agrees that we need Osama to attack:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Why rattle their cage?

135 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:30:52am

re: #122 Ward Cleaver

He's a ho.

is this song about him?

Youtube Video

I like this version better than David Lee Roth's

136 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:31:05am

re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yup. Now on the humorous side, you can see lots of actors in bit roles. The guy who does the all state commercials was a security guard in season 1 and was a Naval officer in season 2. Jack Palance, Markie Post and Jamie Lee Curtis each had an episode. Sid Haig played several different bad guys. Gary Coleman played the most intelligent man in the universe. A cornucopia of early 80s cheez.

I will admit to having both season at home on DVD... I am Mike and I have a problem....

137 Neutral President  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:31:10am

re: #126 unrealizedviewpoint

Beck currently has the #1 and #5 book on the NYT best seller list. Maybe there's more to Beck than some here at LGF see?

Telling kooks (which is apparently a larger percentage of the population than previously belived) kooky things they want to hear, does not make one great.

138 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:31:14am

re: #124 WinterCat I suspect the number of votes drawn away from the Republicans vs. the number of votes attracted to the Republicans by talk show pundits is about an even wash (and a very small number at that). The lack of reporting on critical issues and lack of balance in reporting on main stream candidates is a much more dangerous trend IMO.

139 John Neverbend  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:31:44am

You can see the entire video (nearly 8 minutes) by going to the link below, then click on the news story for Tuesday, June 30, the story "Double Duty?". It's not a particularly edifying discussion, but at least you can see the flow of "ideas" that led from National Guard volunteers at the Mexico border to an attack by Osama bin Laden.

Double Duty?

140 jorline  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:32:36am

OT Cool pics

Supersonic Sound Busters

Now I'll go back up thread to see what Glenn "chicken little" Beck is bitching about today.
The last two days all I've heard from him is civil disobedience...a quiet revolution.

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:33:00am

re: #126 unrealizedviewpoint

Beck currently has the #1 and #5 book on the NYT best seller list. Maybe there's more to Beck than some here at LGF see?

He has had 3, #1's on the NYT. One, The Christmas Sweater, ran neck and neck with Stephen King.

142 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:33:01am

re: #63 zombie

What is this, the seventh circle of hell?

Right on. But I think they belong in the 8th circle of hell trench 6 (hypocrites) and trench 9 (sowers of discord).

143 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:33:32am

re: #131 zombie

New terms are needed to describe new orientations that jettison the old constellation of political alliances. I see now that is my new task.

Hvae you settled on Zombiecrats or Undeadlicans?

144 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:33:34am

re: #136 MikeAlv77

I will admit to having both season at home on DVD... I am Mike and I have a problem....

trivia time: The starfighters for Buck Rogers were originally designed for Battlestar Galactica. When they were passed over for the Vipers, the designer took them over to the Buck Rogers producers.

145 Wendya  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:34:09am

re: #98 NoWhereAlaska

Catastrophic events bring changes. What the clip says is that the only chance we have of changing the folks in Washington NOW is for such a catastrophic event.

People have been saying for the last few years that "It will take another attack from al Qaeda to wake people up" (with they and their families being exempt from death and destruction, of course). They're operating under the assumption that it will wake people up to their way of thinking. Positive change through catastrophe is not a given and those idiots had better pray we are not attacked under this administration.

146 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:34:23am

re: #129 KenJen

Have not decided yet. The Benz if free from my dad. The insurance is higher than I thought it would be. I am trying to decide if I need two cars. It's in good shape and I would feel guilty letting the dogs (5 of them) take it over but I'm tired of the mess they leave in my daily car. I can't believe I'm thinking of not taking a free Mercedes.

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch Mercedes.

147 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:34:51am

re: #130 doppelganglander

The Republicans might have done marginally better. They probably would have insisted on better border control, but that's not the only issue. For example, every year employers demand more and more H1B visas for IT professionals, and every year Republicans support their demands. Every holder of an H1B visa puts an American IT professional out of work. Employers claim they can't find Americans with the right skills, but the truth is they can't find an American who will do the work for the pittance a visa holder will accept.

The Democrats, OTOH, seem to prefer to import a peasant class to mow their lawns, clean their houses, and vote Democrat. 30 million new Dems, indoctrinated as members of their very own grievance group, is not what most people want for this country.

Basically, they both suck.

And at the same time that companies are bringing in cheap labor via the H-1Bs to replace loyal Americans, they're also shifting jobs overseas (with India now losing out to the Philippines), replacing even more loyal Americans. American companies' loyalties are toward money, not Americans.

148 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:34:52am

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There was Buck Rodgers on that show? I could have missed that while ogling Col. Deering.

149 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:34:58am

re: #144 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

trivia time: The starfighters for Buck Rogers were originally designed for Battlestar Galactica. When they were passed over for the Vipers, the designer took them over to the Buck Rogers producers.

and I have the orginal BG movie pilot on DVD. Good memories from my childhood though I do like the new BG also...

And Erin Grey was perfect for me at that age. Who wouldn't want to blow up bad guys in space and then get her....

150 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:35:01am

re: #96 MikeAlv77

re: #97 Ward Cleaver

Beck is the first show to pull high ratings in that time slot, which Fox has tried to fill with a succession of different personalities - shall-we-say less colorful analyst/commentators. Beck is an ENTERTAINER. Period. Paragraph.

151 Neutral President  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:35:14am

re: #128 Charles

Too bad he's (almost certainly) a corpse and (very likely) has been for (at least) 5 years. Perhaps these kooks are expecting an army of Taliban zombies led by Osama bin Laden's ghost to attack the US.

152 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:35:17am

re: #132 hous bin pharteen

I just want to know if the "illegals" are going to have to pay taxes, since the rest of us are going to get drowned.

OT: Are you going to even get taxed by each turd you flush down the toilet?
"Global Warming" , the "environment", Algore bank account, and all that crap?

The toilet tax is the most disturbing. If that passes we will all use the toilet less, then in time we will all be more full of crap. At that point the Dems. will have a lock on the electorate./

153 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:35:28am

re: #137 ArchangelMichael

Telling kooks (which is apparently a larger percentage of the population than previously belived) kooky things they want to hear, does not make one great.

You calling everybody a kook doesn't make them kooks. I suppose you've read his books and can proffer an educated opinion?

154 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:36:25am

OT
LIVE

Pres. Obama says 50% of the mail he gets shown to him each day (top 10 letters to Obama) are all about health care costs.!

Yeah, right.

155 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:36:40am

re: #63 zombie

The video was uploaded by Media Matters.

Splendid.

Far left Soros-funded think-tank vs. conservative shock jock.

What is this, the seventh circle of hell?

I'm beginning to suspect that Beck, and possibly Fox News as a whole, is also funded by Soros.

They're certainly effective at churning out ready-made soundbites for the Democrats to use.

156 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:36:47am

re: #137 ArchangelMichael

Telling kooks (which is apparently a larger percentage of the population than previously belived) kooky things they want to hear, does not make one great.

It's that 'larger percentage' than depresses the hell out of me. To repost an overnight thread quote from Monday:

An age is called Dark not because the light fails to shine, but because people refuse to see it.— James A. Michener

157 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:36:50am

re: #140 jorline

OT Cool pics

Supersonic Sound Busters

Now I'll go back up thread to see what Glenn "chicken little" Beck is bitching about today.
The last two days all I've heard from him is civil disobedience...a quiet revolution.

And the second picture is of an F-22, being killed by 0bama and Gates. Grrrrr.

158 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:36:52am

re: #148 lawhawk

There was Buck Rodgers on that show? I could have missed that while ogling Col. Deering.

and who could forget the episode where the band of telekinetic midgets stripped her so they could see what a woman really looked like.

(I'm not making that up)

159 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:36:58am

re: #138 DaddyG

I suspect the number of votes drawn away from the Republicans vs. the number of votes attracted to the Republicans by talk show pundits is about an even wash (and a very small number at that). The lack of reporting on critical issues and lack of balance in reporting on main stream candidates is a much more dangerous trend IMO.

These things are not mutually exclusive. The media is not balanced and often dishonest. However, the current perception about the republicans is hurting. I have a lot of middle of the road friends who actually voted FOR Obama because they think the repubs are a bunch of craven right wing nut jobs.

Moreover, who exactly are the republicans attracting with this kind of talk? More crazies?

160 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:37:10am

Clowns to the left. Jokers to the right.

Youtube Video

Here we are... stuck in the middle.

161 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:37:26am

re: #124 WinterCat

It is the Glen Beck's of the world who are destroying any chance at all that the democrats will be unseated in 2010. This senseless and stupid chatter drives people from the center to the left because the right seems just too damn craven. And that means 4 more years of Barack's agenda for America. Are Beck and his ilk actually secretly on Soro's payroll? I mean really, how stupid can they be?

Whoops, I didn't see this post before I made mine (155). Great minds think alike.

162 John Neverbend  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:38:03am

re: #149 MikeAlv77

and I have the orginal BG movie pilot on DVD. Good memories from my childhood though I do like the new BG also...

And Erin Grey was perfect for me at that age. Who wouldn't want to blow up bad guys in space and then get her....

Yeah. I also liked Twiki.

163 Wendya  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:38:14am

re: #119 VioletTiger

What continues to surprise me is the total lack of astuteness on the right. They can no longer seem to gage when they should speak their mind and when they should keep their crazy thoughts to themselves.

We can thank the left for that. They made the crazy mainstream and now some republicans seem to think they need to spout conspiracy theories and overblown rhetoric just to keep up.

164 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:38:22am

re: #148 lawhawk

There was Buck Rodgers on that show? I could have missed that while ogling Col. Deering.

Ah yes, Wilma. Mmmmm...

165 Randall Gross  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:38:24am

re: #123 SixDegrees

Haven't read it. But I'll shinny out on a pretty sturdy limb and suggest that it is almost entirely fiction. Bin Laden is recent enough news that anyone working for the CIA during his rise and the search for him in Afghanistan would still be tightly bound by security restrictions keeping him from divulging such information under penalty of imprisonment for a very long time. I'm guessing that the reason he hasn't been brought up on charges is simply that there is nothing even remotely factual in his book.

Has anyone verified that he actually worked for the CIA, and if true that he worked there as something other than a janitor or valet?

Yes, he was in charge of the Bin Laden unit. His book is "Loosing Bin Laden" basically a BDS diatribe to disguise the fact that he, Scheuer, Really failed in his prime mission.

166 KenJen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:38:27am

re: #152 DaddyG

The toilet tax is the most disturbing. If that passes we will all use the toilet less, then in time we will all be more full of crap. At that point the Dems. will have a lock on the electorate./

Who will be the turd czar?

167 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:38:39am

re: #162 John Neverbend

Yeah. I also liked Twiki.

And Ficus.

168 Neutral President  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:38:42am

re: #153 unrealizedviewpoint

You calling everybody a kook doesn't make them kooks. I suppose you've read his books and can proffer an educated opinion?

Watch his show.... hes a fucking PSYCHO. I don't need to examine any further.

169 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:38:45am

re: #166 KenJen

Who will be the turd czar?

All of them.

170 zombie  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:39:04am

re: #143 DaddyG

Hvae you settled on Zombiecrats or Undeadlicans?

Sadly, I haven't come up with a term yet. And that is my major sticking point.

171 doppelganglander  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:39:18am

re: #147 Ward Cleaver

And at the same time that companies are bringing in cheap labor via the H-1Bs to replace loyal Americans, they're also shifting jobs overseas (with India now losing out to the Philippines), replacing even more loyal Americans. American companies' loyalties are toward money, not Americans.

Absolutely. And as a believer in the free market, it's hard to blame them for going where the money is. But as the wife of an unemployed IT professional, I want my government to make it more attractive for companies to operate in the U.S. with American employees.

172 jaunte  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:40:10am

re: #154 alegrias

OT
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Pres. Obama says 50% of the mail he gets shown to him each day (top 10 letters to Obama) are all about health care costs!

What he chooses to read, and what is sent, are probably different.

173 theheat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:40:22am

Wait, I want to hear what Keith Olbermann has to say, so we can have a Ranting Idiots Trifecta. Maybe add Puke Buchanan for a superfecta.

It's a sure bet they're all loons, and have no place on American television.

Sometimes when I sit in my car at a stoplight, I look over, and wonder if the driver next to me actually listens to these people, and truly believes them. And then I worry they are driving the same roads as I, and maybe have small children in the home.

174 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:40:43am

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Pres. Obama is in Annandale, Virginia, just outside the Beltway, holding a fake "Townhall" where he has invited people sit behind him adoringly.

He's given a shout out to the Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine who spends all his time on Democrat National Committee Fundraising for Obama.
Shout out for antisemite Va. Rep. Jim Moran.
Shout out for Virginia Sen. Mark Warner.

I heard last night that Pres. Obama hates using the White House Briefing Room because it's too small and he can't pack it with crowds of adoring folks.

White House communications staff are looking at using the George Washington University theater that holds nearly 400 people, for Obama's daily fawnfest of folks, instead of the newly "mean" White House correspondents pack of puppies.

175 shiplord kirel  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:40:50am

re: #163 Wendya

We can thank the left for that. They made the crazy mainstream and now some republicans seem to think they need to spout conspiracy theories and overblown rhetoric just to keep up.

Exactly. It's as though you're standing around at the country club having a dignified conversation with some pin-stripe suit types and old Barry Goldwater fans, when a drunken street preacher barges in and farts real loud.

176 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:40:51am

re: #155 SixDegrees

I'm beginning to suspect that Beck, and possibly Fox News as a whole, is also funded by Soros.

They're certainly effective at churning out ready-made soundbites for the Democrats to use.

I've considered Fox News to be a moby network for quite some time now. Murdoch supported 0bama.

177 Wendya  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:41:11am

re: #147 Ward Cleaver

American companies' loyalties are toward money, not Americans.

If they are a publicly traded company, their loyalty is towards their shareholders. I don't have a problem with the visas. If a company needs a motivated employee who will show up to work and doesn't have an entitlement mentality, let them hire using whatever legal processes are at their disposal.

178 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:41:29am

re: #128 Charles

Free Republic enthusiastically agrees that we need Osama to attack:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Can we question their patriotism now?

179 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:42:04am

re: #174 alegrias

Obama's daily fawnfest


lol

180 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:42:13am

re: #166 KenJen

Who will be the turd czar?

Da one after the foist and sekkind czar?

181 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:42:19am

re: #166 KenJen

Who will be the turd czar?

Mr. Hanky?

182 Randall Gross  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:42:30am
Michael F. Scheuer is a former CIA employee. In his 22-year career, he served as the Chief of the Bin Laden Issue Station (aka "Alec Station"), from 1996 to 1999, the Osama bin Laden tracking unit at the Counterterrorist Center. He then worked again as Special Advisor to the Chief of the bin Laden unit from September 2001 to November 2004.

Scheuer's failures are the prime reasons UBL is still out there if you ask me.

183 ointmentfly  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:42:33am

re: #154 alegrias

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Pres. Obama says 50% of the mail he gets shown to him each day (top 10 letters to Obama) are all about health care costs.!

Yeah, right.

I have a 2yr old who whacked her head and needed a few stitches a couple weeks ago. I received the bill and it was $1600 for a few stitches.

We went to the ER to have this done - of course - and the waiting room was about 60% mexicans because the ER is the only place they can get medical care by federal mandate. My insurance company is paying for thier care too!

184 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:42:49am

re: #174 alegrias

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Pres. Obama is in Annandale, Virginia, just outside the Beltway, holding a fake "Townhall" where he has invited people sit behind him adoringly.

He's given a shout out to the Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine who spends all his time on Democrat National Committee Fundraising for Obama.
Shout out for antisemite Va. Rep. Jim Moran.
Shout out for Virginia Sen. Mark Warner.

I heard last night that Pres. Obama hates using the White House Briefing Room because it's too small and he can't pack it with crowds of adoring folks.

White House communications staff are looking at using the George Washington University theater that holds nearly 400 people, for Obama's daily fawnfest of folks, instead of the newly "mean" White House correspondents pack of puppies.

Perhaps he can hold large outdoor rallys. He can get his supporters to march past him in glorious adoration and give stirring speaches about the glorious path he has in store for us before the party faithful.

/

185 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:42:52am

re: #174 alegrias

I heard last night that Pres. Obama hates using the White House Briefing Room because it's too small and he can't pack it with crowds of adoring folks.

Do you have a link to a quote of Obama saying that?

186 Randall Gross  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:43:42am

Bottom line to all this: The crazies know that the only way they can gain relevance is through mob fear.

187 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:43:50am

In the "let us hope and pray" department:

Inhofe says climate change bill will be "dead in the water" in Senate

188 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:43:55am

re: #182 Thanos

Scheuer's failures are the prime reasons UBL is still out there if you ask me.

That and a Clinton Administration that was risk adverse and incapable of recognizing the threat posed by AQ and was trying to save itself from impeachment.

189 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:44:11am

re: #167 Ward Cleaver

And Ficus.

Or am I thinking of another show? Gotta look that up.

190 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:44:35am

re: #182 Thanos

Scheuer's failures are the prime reasons UBL is still out there if you ask me.

From same Wiki...

"Scheuer left the Jamestown Foundation in February 2009 from a position as Senior Fellow. He claimed in an anti-war.com article that he was fired by the organization for his outspoken views on US-Israel relations.[1] Jamestown's current president, Glen Howard, has pejoratively likened his views to those of two-time presidential candidate and congressman Ron Paul."

191 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:44:46am

re: #154 alegrias

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Pres. Obama says 50% of the mail he gets shown to him each day (top 10 letters to Obama) are all about health care costs.!

Yeah, right.

But what he's not saying is that those letters are all pretty much:

Dear President Obama,

I know health care involves costs, but you can't be serious about this crap-fest health care proposal you're touting. Can you?

A Concerned Citizen

(I hope.)

192 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:44:47am

re: #168 ArchangelMichael

Watch his show.... hes a fucking PSYCHO. I don't need to examine any further.

That's about what I thought you'd say. Your mind is made up and you will look no further. That's what lefties do. That's why logic fails them.

193 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:44:47am

re: #176 Sharmuta

I've considered Fox News to be a moby network for quite some time now. Murdoch supported 0bama.

* * * *
Neither Brit Hume nor Charles Krauthammer, both Fox correspondents/opinion writers, are mobies, and they are on Fox News programs daily.

Many people supported Obama, who aren't mobies, but misguided.

194 kansas  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:44:50am

Context?

Youtube Video

And I don't trust Media Matters with a 1:11 snippet of anything. I know Beck is a pariah.
195 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:44:56am

re: #176 Sharmuta

I've considered Fox News to be a moby network for quite some time now. Murdoch supported 0bama.

Hmmm...

Interesting that their dive off the deep end coincided with the last election and continues to this day. Prior to that, they kept a pretty firm boot on the neck of the nuttiness.

196 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:45:19am

re: #184 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perhaps he can hold large outdoor rallys. He can get his supporters to march past him in glorious adoration and give stirring speaches about the glorious path he has in store for us before the party faithful.

/


But they need to high step (goose step?) like the Norks do...

197 John Neverbend  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:45:25am

re: #166 KenJen

Who will be the turd czar?

Looking through the list of congress members, the only names that spring to mind are Marcia L. Fudge and Ted Poe (an English slang word for a lavatory)

198 Rancher  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:45:29am
Which is why I was thinking this weekend, if I were him that would be the last thing I would do right now.

That's kinda stupid, Osama shouldn't take advantage of our porous borders to attack us because then we would close the border and he wouldn't have an easy in to attack us? That's like saying he shouldn't have used our planes to attack us because now it's harder to attack us with our planes. You take advantage of your enemies weaknesses while you can. I also disagree that an attack would "save" us, presumably because we would then take border and port security seriously. We didn't after 9-11.

199 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:45:40am

re: #187 reine.de.tout

In the "let us hope and pray" department:

Inhofe says climate change bill will be "dead in the water" in Senate

You got an amen.

AMEN BROTHER!

200 zombie  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:45:41am

re: #155 SixDegrees

I'm beginning to suspect that Beck, and possibly Fox News as a whole, is also funded by Soros.

They're certainly effective at churning out ready-made soundbites for the Democrats to use.

That has been my suspicion for a long time -- especially since the moment they gave a show to Mike Huckabee. I think leftists behind the scenes at Fox are purposely giving airtime to "right"-wing lunatics who will discredit the Republican Party with their extremism.

201 Threnody  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:46:25am

Christ. So now Islamic nukes are just a "means to an end" for these freaks, huh? One may now fairly ask: what's their real priority? Protecting the lives of Americans? Or just cleansing our nation of busboys and fruit pickers?

202 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:46:42am

re: #187 reine.de.tout

In the "let us hope and pray" department:

Inhofe says climate change bill will be "dead in the water" in Senate

It should've been dead in the water in the House. But for those eight GOP quislings.

203 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:46:44am

re: #185 Walter L. Newton

Do you have a link to a quote of Obama saying that?

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No, it's not a direct quote from Obama but from a theater person who said the White House folks have visited GW's Marvin Center Theater (where Bill Buckley's Cross Fire was filmed) 3 times recently.

204 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:46:48am

re: #184 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perhaps he can hold large outdoor rallys. He can get his supporters to march past him in glorious adoration and give stirring speaches about the glorious path he has in store for us before the party faithful.

/

I have seen that before... where was that? History channel had some special... Numberburg... Nuremburg.. Something like that...

205 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:47:01am

re: #195 SixDegrees

Hmmm...

Interesting that their dive off the deep end coincided with the last election and continues to this day. Prior to that, they kept a pretty firm boot on the neck of the nuttiness.

I don't like Fox Cable news either, but, you're theories are all over the place. Is it Murdock or Soros financing the nuttiness? You've now hook into both of them.

206 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:47:04am

This is entryism on the part of the fringe. They latch onto an issue they share with the mainstream, such as immigration reform, and work their fringe ideas into the conversation. Many Americans are concerned with illegal immigration issues, but the fringe doesn't want to stop there. They want to shut down all immigration, but they're willing to work their way up to their goals if it means they can mainstream their extremist positions to swell their ranks.

207 KenJen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:48:10am

re: #197 John Neverbend

Looking through the list of congress members, the only names that spring to mind are Marcia L. Fudge and Ted Poe (an English slang word for a lavatory)

Don't forget Robert C Tyrd of WV.

208 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:48:23am

re: #173 theheat

It's a sure bet they're all loons, and have no place on American television.

...are you trying to kill the US entertainment industry too? Just wait until we start exporting our whack jobs to India or China.../

209 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:48:30am

re: #185 Walter L. Newton

Do you have a link to a quote of Obama saying that?

* * *
PS, I apologize for the obvious editorializing on my part.

The White House Briefing Room just underwent a massive makeover at mucho taxpayer expense, but it's not grandiose enough for Obama's purposes.

210 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:48:45am

re: #194 kansas

Context?

[Video]
And I don't trust Media Matters with a 1:11 snippet of anything. I know Beck is a pariah.

The context changes nothing.

211 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:49:29am

re: #203 alegrias

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No, it's not a direct quote from Obama but from a theater person who said the White House folks have visited GW's Marvin Center Theater (where Bill Buckley's Cross Fire was filmed) 3 times recently.

Ok, and did THEY say he wanted the theatre because Obama "...hates using the White House Briefing Room because it's too small and he can't pack it with crowds of adoring folks?"

Is this a statement by them or supposition on your part?

212 Neutral President  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:49:39am

re: #192 unrealizedviewpoint

That's about what I thought you'd say. Your mind is made up and you will look no further. That's what lefties do. That's why logic fails them.

Glenn Beck's over-the-top insane moonbattery has been explored and debated here incessantly for months. You are out of your mind to think I'm just knee jerk rejecting him.

10 months ago, I had a positive opinion of him. I liked Glenn Beck and I listened to his radio show. Now I have come to loathe him, and find his histrionics humorous at best and dangerous at worst. Go ahead and call me a lefty if you think so. I didn't come to this position over night or because "The Lizard King and his toady Killgore told me too!"

The guy is unquestionably in kook-conspiracy land and I'm done with him.

213 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:49:40am

Firefox 3.5 running like a champ. Appears to be much faster.

214 doppelganglander  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:50:14am

re: #177 Wendya

If they are a publicly traded company, their loyalty is towards their shareholders. I don't have a problem with the visas. If a company needs a motivated employee who will show up to work and doesn't have an entitlement mentality, let them hire using whatever legal processes are at their disposal.

There are plenty of willing, motivated workers presently sitting on their asses because companies prefer to hire cheap imported labor. A more restrictive policy on work visas would force companies to hire American workers who are equal or superior to foreign workers. If I were Empress of the World, one of the first things I would have done at the start of the recession would have been to cut off 100% of work visas for 1 year. After that I would consider allowing some work visas but far fewer than before and they would be much harder to get.

215 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:50:19am

re: #186 Thanos

Bottom line to all this: The crazies know that the only way they can gain relevance is through mob fear.

Absolutely. And the tyranny of the urgent, or the crisis, or the catastrophe, infects both sides.

216 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:50:39am

re: #158 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Telekinetic Midgets" would be a great band name.

217 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:50:41am

re: #187 reine.de.tout

In the "let us hope and pray" department:

Inhofe says climate change bill will be "dead in the water" in Senate

That interview was given before Al Franken gave the Dems a super-majority.

218 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:51:32am

re: #205 Walter L. Newton

I don't like Fox Cable news either, but, you're theories are all over the place. Is it Murdock or Soros financing the nuttiness? You've now hook into both of them.

Mandy's theory is Mandy's. Intriguing, but not mine.

I'm content to substitute "nebulous deep-cover Lefty" as the bagman, if you're that concerned over the specifics.

219 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:52:03am

re: #211 Walter L. Newton

Ok, and did THEY say he wanted the theatre because Obama "...hates using the White House Briefing Room because it's too small and he can't pack it with crowds of adoring folks?"

Is this a statement by them or supposition on your part?

* * * *
Both! The first phrase is a near direct quote; the second, my observation just watching Pres. Obama LIVE in Annandale, Virginia in a big fat auditorium packed with hundreds of people hosting a faux townhall.

Pres. Obama's best friend Valerie from Chicago is there with a mike saying Pres. Obama has NOT YET SEEN THE QUESTIONS!

Riiiiiight.

220 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:52:15am

re: #217 DaddyG

That interview was given before Al Franken gave the Dems a super-majority.

Read the article. He says...

"“I’ll tell you what a lot of people are thinking, and that is it looks like things are going to be over and we are going to get the clown from Minnesota,’’ he said. “They are not going to get more than 35 votes.’’

That includes Franken.

221 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:54:43am

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Can't believe you all are NOT watching this fake Obama healthcare plan propaganda Townhall in beautiful downtown Annandale, Virginia--NOT the White House.

Obama's flack Valerie his friend from Chicago swears Obama hasn't seen the questions before hand, but Obama rambles on at length lecturing at the questions.

222 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:56:09am

re: #212 ArchangelMichael

I didn't say you were a lefty. I said: "Your mind is made up and you will look no further. That's what lefties do. That's why logic fails them." Could it be you don't see the change I see in Beck because you stopped looking?

223 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 10:57:08am

re: #183 ointmentfly

I have a 2yr old who whacked her head and needed a few stitches a couple weeks ago. I received the bill and it was $1600 for a few stitches.

We went to the ER to have this done - of course - and the waiting room was about 60% mexicans because the ER is the only place they can get medical care by federal mandate. My insurance company is paying for thier care too!

I will tell you honestly - I do not mind paying a bit extra for my insurance if it will ensure that uninsured folks can get some sort of care, and we can avoid Obamacare.

In Louisiana, there is a Charity Hospital system, that was started in 1736 (yes,you read that right) thanks to Jean Louis, a French seaman who built boats in New Orleans, and who bequeathed his holdings to the founding and maintenance of Charity Hospital, a hospital for the indigent sick of the colony of New Orleans.

The charity system in Louisiana now includes seven hospitals in several locations in the state. HCSD sees most of its uninsured patients in its
clinics, not in its hospitals, and has a very large outpatient base–1,600,000 visits and encounters– and a small inpatient base–35,000 admissions

It is not perfect; but people do not go without medical care, and it manages to ensure care is available without Obamacare.

224 Neutral President  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:05:43am

re: #222 unrealizedviewpoint

I didn't say you were a lefty. I said: "Your mind is made up and you will look no further. That's what lefties do. That's why logic fails them." Could it be you don't see the change I see in Beck because you stopped looking?

The only change I can see in him is he went from being reasonable to being paranoid and all it took was 1 election to do it. I don't see any change for the better since then, and the fact that he has people on his show wishing for America to be attacked solely for them to have the ability to say "I told you so" to the left, and he does not denounce this, is a clear indicator of this.

225 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:07:59am
226 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:09:04am

re: #147 Ward Cleaver

And at the same time that companies are bringing in cheap labor via the H-1Bs to replace loyal Americans, they're also shifting jobs overseas (with India now losing out to the Philippines), replacing even more loyal Americans. American companies' loyalties are toward money, not Americans.

Well, those ungrateful bastards unionized, and demanded a forty-hour work week and an end to child labor. After that, the honeymoon was over.

227 sngnsgt  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:09:39am

re: #187 reine.de.tout

Amen!

228 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:10:24am

Does anyone here really believe the GOP can regain either house of Congress in '10?

229 gearhead  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:12:08am
...only thing that can save America from illegal immigration is for “Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States.”

Wha...? I guess an attention whore will say just about anything to get camera time.

230 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:19:26am

No it couldn't.

231 tfc3rid  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:22:50am

I will say I listen to Beck on the radio on XM every morning. He is overly emotional and sometimes make really crazy statements. But don't paint him as another typical conspiracy monger. He hangs up on callers who start preaching Alex Jones and 9/11 trutherism. He refuses to talk with callers who come on and talk about the 'One World Government' nonsense... He was all over George Bush's poor policy decisions and is equally as harsh on Obama.

He says he simply loves this country and doesn't want to see it destroyed by bad decisions and stupid politicians from either party.

He may be unhinged at times but aren't we all. We're just not on TV.

232 Randall Gross  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:25:09am

re: #231 tfc3rid

He should be hanging up on the kooks he hosts on his show instead.

233 tfc3rid  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:26:15am

re: #232 Thanos

He should be hanging up on the kooks he hosts on his show instead.

Disagree... I would challenge them, not hang up on them...

234 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:26:29am

re: #228 SFGoth

Does anyone here really believe the GOP can regain either house of Congress in '10?

Only as long as no one is watching Fox News. If 0bama and the Dems continue to overreach, they might still have a chance.

235 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:26:45am

re: #225 buzzsawmonkey

In the meantime, as Rumsfeld once said, you go to war with the army you have. Why are we more committed to making Beck a laughingstock than to chivvying him back to sanity?

I don't see any incentive at all for Beck to come "back to sanity" (if he ever lived there in the first place), with his ratings so good. Populist extremism is a winning formula for Fox News right now.

As for "going to war" with Beck, I know you used the words figuratively, but the problem is that Beck has been stoking the crazies who take that kind of talk literally.

I don't see Beck as being on my side at all -- I see him as a reactionary, destructive influence on conservative politics. And having people like him with such big megaphones does nothing but help discredit conservatives in general. He's not an asset, he's a disaster.

236 tfc3rid  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:31:53am

re: #235 Charles

Beck this morning on his show had someone call in and say that protesting like Martin Luther King and Ghandi did not work and the colonists fought the British to overthrow their rule and that will be needed here...

How did Beck respond? By saying the violent resistance is not a way to get your point across... He used the example of Tim McVeigh being executed for the OKC bombing.

237 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:41:41am

Short of globalthermonuclearwar, violent revolution as a legitimate political tool is not viable here.

238 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:44:44am
239 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:48:24am

I find it interesting that Beck is capable, with a straight face, of pretending to be able to think like O. B.L.

240 drcordell  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:50:58am

re: #200 zombie

That has been my suspicion for a long time -- especially since the moment they gave a show to Mike Huckabee. I think leftists behind the scenes at Fox are purposely giving airtime to "right"-wing lunatics who will discredit the Republican Party with their extremism.

Wow. The "no true Scotsman" phenomenon really is beginning to take hold with Conservatives. Leftists controlling Fox News? Really?

241 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:56:07am

re: #114 Killgore Trout

Cable news ratings....
Fox News goes 10 for 10
Glenn Beck, who takes aim at the administration repeatedly, is proving an even bigger draw since coming over from HLN: His 5 p.m. slot is up 110 percent from last year. Such a trend shows commentators like Beck can thrive in the opposition.

From TVNewser:

8pm - O'Reilly Factor — 3,188,000
9pm - Hannity — 2,341,000
5pm - Glenn Beck — 2,053,000

Reality Check. That's less than 1 Percent of the US population for Beck. (though O'Reilly does just break 1 Percent)

242 tfc3rid  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 11:59:26am

re: #241 bloodstar

Reality Check. That's less than 1 Percent of the US population for Beck. (though O'Reilly does just break 1 Percent)

But as O'Reilly loves to point out, his total ratings are greater than CNN + PMSNBC combined.

243 Nantucket  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:01:51pm

The first time i saw Beck I thought he was goofy. two years later after having heard/seen him 10-15 times on radio and TV confirms my first thoughts about the guy. he engages in hyperbole so much so that it renders his points useless. i don't know how people listen to him. takes all kinds i guess.

244 UrbanRevival  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:40:38pm

Maybe I missed something here, but I'm not seeing or hearing what you guys are. Isn't Scheuer saying that the current administration is so closed minded that only another attack could wake them up (i.e. because it will also wake the American people up)?

What's crazy about that?

245 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:22:35pm

re: #244 UrbanRevival

Maybe I missed something here, but I'm not seeing or hearing what you guys are. Isn't Scheuer saying that the current administration is so closed minded that only another attack could wake them up (i.e. because it will also wake the American people up)?

What's crazy about that?


"The only chance we have as a country right now", is for Osama to attack.

The only chance?
The guy seems to be inviting binLaden to launch an attack.
seems pretty darned weird to me. did you watch the clip?

246 UrbanRevival  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:58:19pm

re: #245 reine.de.tout

"The only chance we have as a country right now", is for Osama to attack.

The only chance?
The guy seems to be inviting binLaden to launch an attack.
seems pretty darned weird to me. did you watch the clip?

Yes, I see what you are saying. Perhaps he could have phrased it differently, but is he crazy when you consider that this is the administration that renamed the "War on Terror" the "Overseas Contingency Operation?" I watched the clip. I'll watch the whole thing when it reruns.

247 GGMac  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:21:56pm

re: #154 alegrias

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Pres. Obama says 50% of the mail he gets shown to him each day (top 10 letters to Obama) are all about health care costs.!

Yeah, right.

Key phrase: "...SHOWN to him..."

248 SevoGuy  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:32:17pm

The sad thing about this story is that the "wacko" and Beck are probably right. Thinking about several essay's and articles from after 9/11, several pundits and commentators did say that America will not get serious about the War on Islamic Terror until about 500,000 to 1,000,000
Americans die. We Americans have such short memories.......so true.

It's only a matter of time before they hit us on the Obama watch. Only a matter of time. I had an argument with a coworker about the 1993 Islamic terrorist bombing of the World Trade Centers. My coworker told me that it never happened, because she would have heard about it if it did. She fell silent after an Internet search produced the proof. She still insists that Islam is a religion of peace. This is the same coworker who told me that the Islamic prophet Muhammad didn't have a 6 year old wife or consummate his marriage when the she-child reached 9 years-old. She told me I shouldn't believe everything I read on the Internet.

God Bless America and defend the Constitution against Sharia Law.

249 GGMac  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:34:44pm

Charles -

Wasn't there a dust-up a few years ago, here on LGF, during which the commenting Scheuer admitted to being a Muslim convert?

250 NoWhereAlaska  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:45:32pm

re: #210 Charles

The context changes nothing.


Come on Charles, sometimes context is everything:
And I quote you as saying:
re: #128 Charles

we need Osama to attack


See context does make a difference.

251 ihateronpaul  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 4:15:06pm

I find it sick how beck didn't even blink over this shit. I posted this back in the LGF open thread and I'm glad I did.

252 ihateronpaul  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 4:17:11pm

re: #20 Yashmak

The only way to save this country has nothing to do with immigration or terrorism. The only way to save this country is a widespread revival of the idea of personal responsibility, and to get rid of the notion that the government's function is to take care of, and provide for the individual.

uhhh call me crazy but increased security = increased government which is a necessary evil in that case

253 harry91  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 4:28:53pm
I don't see Beck as being on my side at all -- I see him as a reactionary, destructive influence on conservative politics. And having people like him with such big megaphones does nothing but help discredit conservatives in general. He's not an asset, he's a disaster

Spot on.

Further, and I know it's been said before, the whole idea of sides is ludicrous. If the Republican Party asked me to "side" with the Becks or Limbaughs as the spokesmen of the right, I'm gone.


Oh wait...they already have.

Thanks Charles for the sanest conservative blog out there.


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