JPost: Iran Hanging Mousavi Supporters

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The Jerusalem Post cites unconfirmed reports from Iran that the regime has begun hanging supporters of Mousavi.

As the Iranian authorities warned the opposition on Tuesday that they would tolerate no further protests over the disputed June 12 presidential elections, a report emerged of the hangings of six supporters of defeated candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi.

Speaking after Iran’s top legislative body upheld the election victory of incumbent Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, sources in Iran told this reporter in a telephone interview that the hangings took place in the holy city of Mashhad on Monday. There was no independent confirmation of the report.

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1 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:44:22pm

We can't meddle. Its a vigorous internal debate.

2 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:44:35pm
3 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:45:48pm

Can we have preconditions now, Mr President?

4 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:46:52pm

AP, Reuters and BBC would follow up an attempt to confirm the story, but unfortunately, all their available assets are currently camped in a ditch outside Neverland Ranch.

5 Vanderleun  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:47:12pm

That's a question?

6 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:47:19pm
the hangings took place in the holy city of Mashhad

They defile the word "holy."

7 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:47:47pm

Obama votes present from the whitehouse and people die.

8 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:48:19pm

So?

We had hanging chads.

We are no better than they are.

See?

DinnerJacket IS BUSH!

9 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:48:59pm
Women police, better known as the Sisters of Zeynab, are also now out in force, the witnesses said.

He added, "My nephew saw one of these Sisters of Zeynab beat down an elderly woman with no mercy. When he tried to intervene, saying to her, 'Miss, she is like your grandmother,' the woman turned around to get a Basiji to deal with him."

The flip side to all the courageous women protesters...

10 Randall Gross  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:49:51pm

Expect more of this to come. What the reaction will be from the Iranian public remains to be seen, but you can truly now say that the honeymoon with the Islamic Revolution is over.

11 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:50:12pm
12 Land Shark  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:50:53pm

I expect that if this is true, it's merely the first in a wave of executions by the Mullah regime of opposition protesters. God help them.

Don't expect any of this to change President O-Present plans to suck up to Ahmadinejad. In Barry Sotero's world, ideology trumps reality every time.

13 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:51:20pm

I wonder if President Obama will be "deeply concerned" about this?

14 beens21  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:51:46pm

Obama will be "deeply concerned" and call it "unjust".

15 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:52:17pm

I doubt this is occurring to them, but I seriously hope those on the left who spent 8 years crying about a fascist state will shut their stupid pie holes now. Never at any time were any of them rounded up for their opinions and executed by the state.

16 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:52:26pm

re: #14 beens21

Obama will be "deeply concerned" and call it "unjust".

GMTA

17 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:53:02pm

re: #13 Desert Dog

I wonder if President Obama will be "deeply concerned" about this?

"Hey, I'm trying to talk about healthcare here. Stay focused people."

18 Pianobuff  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:53:19pm

Fox needs to give DinnerJacket a time slot. No doubt O would have something more consequential to say in that circumstance.

19 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:53:42pm
20 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:53:46pm

President Obama, please don't do a Pres. Carter repeat and take to your rocker for 444 days while Iran murders innocents asking for freedom.

The World is Watching. The Caliphate is taking notes.

21 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:53:52pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

I doubt this is occurring to them, but I seriously hope those on the left who spent 8 years crying about a fascist state will shut their stupid pie holes now. Never at any time were any of them rounded up for their opinions and executed by the state.

But, but, but Bushitler was an evil reactionary warmongering fascist.
/Kos Kid

22 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:54:22pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

I doubt this is occurring to them, but I seriously hope those on the left who spent 8 years crying about a fascist state will shut their stupid pie holes now. Never at any time were any of them rounded up for their opinions and executed by the state.

They are too busy trying to get "Wannabe President For Life Zelaya" back on the throne, oops, I mean in office, to worry about some darn fool Iranian protesters.

23 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:54:35pm

48 hour rule applied ... but I give this an 80% probability of being true.

24 beens21  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:54:45pm

re: #16 Desert Dog

yep, and I bet Hillary or O will use those words.

25 tradewind  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:55:23pm

There goes one blown opportunity.
What a waste of young lives and energy.....

26 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:55:31pm

Hello, Barak, welcome to the real world ... whattcha gonna do NOW?

27 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:55:40pm

re: #24 beens21

yep, and I bet Hillary or O will use those words.

I wonder if "deeply concerned" translates to "Fu*k You" in Farsi?

28 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:55:41pm
29 Dahveed  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:55:48pm

The Obama is far too busy getting a dictator in Honduras back to his position to deal with insignificant Iran.

30 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:55:59pm

re: #19 buzzsawmonkey

He is more deeply concerned with whether he can persuade Ahmedinejad to agree publicly not to attack Israel with nukes (for the present), at least until Israel cedes the West Bank and Jerusalem to the Arabs at Obama's urging.

Or until Israel refuses, in which case, the US will do nothing to stop Iran from getting nukes, and then condemn Israel when it does.

31 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:56:00pm

Hugo Chavez approves of its ally Iran's actions, no doubt.

Has the UN said anything yet?

32 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:56:17pm

Hell, now Karl Malden died. He was 97.

33 Land Shark  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:56:40pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

I doubt this is occurring to them, but I seriously hope those on the left who spent 8 years crying about a fascist state will shut their stupid pie holes now. Never at any time were any of them rounded up for their opinions and executed by the state.

Yeah, you think that the fact not one of Bushhitler's numerous vocal critics was ever arrested, or even intimidated and harrassed would make them pause. But let's face it, contact with reality is not a liberal's strong suit.

34 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:57:06pm

re: #22 Desert Dog

They are too busy trying to get "Wannabe President For Life Zelaya" back on the throne, oops, I mean in office, to worry about some darn fool Iranian protesters.

Obama is taking notes for what to do 8 years from now.

35 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:57:13pm

re: #33 Land Shark

Yeah, you think that the fact not one of Bushhitler's numerous vocal critics was ever arrested, or even intimidated and harrassed would make them pause. But let's face it, contact with reality is not a liberal's strong suit.

They got elected instead....God help us all

36 tradewind  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:57:42pm

re: #13 Desert Dog
He's mostly worried about how this affects his policy of unrestricted dialogue -with-a- demagogue .

37 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:58:15pm

re: #25 tradewind

There goes one blown opportunity.
What a waste of young lives and energy.....

Begging to differ, it's not a "blown opportunity".
The protests will live, same as T Square is still alive.
That distant noise you hear is the whirlwind, and it's inexorable after this.

38 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:58:19pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

I doubt this is occurring to them, but I seriously hope those on the left who spent 8 years crying about a fascist state will shut their stupid pie holes now. Never at any time were any of them rounded up for their opinions and executed by the state.

good point...most are not old enough to be able to recall this kind of stuff...youth can be so idealistic I want to punch them

39 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:58:51pm

re: #36 tradewind

He's mostly worried about how this affects his policy of unrestricted dialogue -with-a- demagogue .

He would hate to meddle, that would be wrong....unless, of course, we are talking about Israel or Honduras...then, it's OK

40 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:59:13pm

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hell, now Karl Malden died. He was 97.

Did he leave without his American Express card?

41 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:59:17pm

My moronic congressman Democrat Jim Moran, who sat raptly at today's fake President Obama healthcare "townhall", said

"Iran benefited from our war against IRaq" or something similarly idiotic since Moran is pro-mullahcracy.

42 RunningBare  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 12:59:43pm

I'm deeply concerned by this development, but by the same token I feel that this illustrates why we need to engage in further dialog with Iran. Only by sitting down with them, and talking as equals on the world stage, without preconditions, and with diplomacy and understanding, can we reach an accord of mutual respect and common goals. If we can just understand what it is about us that drives them to engage in such actions, then we can truely become one, as brothers united in humanity.

Or something. *Rips off shirt* ADORE ME!

/ObamaMode

43 KingKenrod  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:00:12pm

re: #31 alegrias

Hugo Chavez approves of its ally Iran's actions, no doubt.

Has the UN said anything yet?

Kind of interesting how fast the UN will act when a leftist is threatened (Honduras) but twiddles its thumbs when something truly evil happens in Islamoland.

44 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:00:24pm

re: #41 alegrias

My moronic congressman Democrat Jim Moran, who sat raptly at today's fake President Obama healthcare "townhall", said

"Iran benefited from our war against IRaq" or something similarly idiotic since Moran is pro-mullahcracy.

they did perfect the IED...

45 kansas  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:00:26pm

re: #13 Desert Dog

I wonder if President Obama will be "deeply concerned" about this?

Well, these allegations are unverified aren't they?////

46 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:00:28pm

re: #10 Thanos

Expect more of this to come. What the reaction will be from the Iranian public remains to be seen, but you can truly now say that the honeymoon with the Islamic Revolution is over.

The Burning Bed?

47 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:00:29pm

imagine living in a country where the act of speaking freely is met w/ a death sentence by the authorities. we are so blessed to have our freedoms.
we must protect them.
they are worth fighting for.

48 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:00:33pm

re: #22 Desert Dog

They are too busy trying to get "Wannabe President For Life Zelaya" back on the throne, oops, I mean in office, to worry about some darn fool Iranian protesters.

I think too many people are more concerned about Michael Jackson than Honduras or Iran. Priorities, you know.

49 tradewind  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:00:41pm

re: #37 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It may be the whirlwind, but who is reaping it?

50 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:00:45pm

re: #42 RunningBare

I'm deeply concerned by this development, but by the same token I feel that this illustrates why we need to engage in further dialog with Iran. Only by sitting down with them, and talking as equals on the world stage, without preconditions, and with diplomacy and understanding, can we reach an accord of mutual respect and common goals. If we can just understand what it is about us that drives them to engage in such actions, then we can truely become one, as brothers united in humanity.

Or something. *Rips off shirt* ADORE ME!

/ObamaMode


* * * *
You've got that Obama Quote Generator job, as an equal substitute!

51 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:01:08pm

re: #48 Sharmuta

I think too many people are more concerned about Michael Jackson than Honduras or Iran. Priorities, you know.

You are, unfortunately, correct

52 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:01:27pm

re: #49 tradewind

It may be the whirlwind, but who is reaping it?

The theocracy will.

53 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:01:29pm

re: #43 KingKenrod

Kind of interesting how fast the UN will act when a leftist is threatened (Honduras) but twiddles its thumbs when something truly evil happens in Islamoland.

the UN?...hahaha!...paid to look the other way

54 horse  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:01:33pm

Obama is too busy trying to get Honduras back on the socialist authoritarian track to be bothered by the minor internal issues in Iran.

55 Land Shark  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:01:46pm

re: #20 alegrias


I just happened to get a glance at the Caliphate's Notebook. Right on top it said "Thank Allah the American public was so stupid and voted Obama in as President. Party time, Ummah! Roll over Zarquawi and tell Khomeni the news! Allu Ackbar!"

56 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:01:51pm

Mousavi is still standing up against Ahmadinejad and Khamenei. His supporters are still on the streets and the thugs in charge are going after him. It isn't over, but it will get a whole lot bloodier.

57 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:02:17pm
Amid the talk of despair and quashed protests, one defiant reformist supporter told this reporter: "The regime wants the world to think they have won. Don't believe it... Even if this regime is about to collapse, they would not let anybody know until their final hour."

How's everyone else doing with this part?

58 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:02:36pm

re: #48 Sharmuta

I think too many people are more concerned about Michael Jackson than Honduras or Iran. Priorities, you know.

Of course. Those are just the "little people".

59 RunningBare  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:02:40pm

re: #50 alegrias

* * * *
You've got that Obama Quote Generator job, as an equal substitute!


They have those now? Damn, I am so out of touch. Last online quote generator I saw was the Swedish Chef Translator.

60 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:02:44pm

re: #56 lawhawk

Mousavi is still standing up against Ahmadinejad and Khamenei. His supporters are still on the streets and the thugs in charge are going after him. It isn't over, but it will get a whole lot bloodier.

real martyrdom, if there is such a thing

61 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:03:17pm

re: #57 scottishbuzzsaw

How's everyone else doing with this part?

I don't.

62 tradewind  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:03:33pm

re: #52 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Somehow I think those fists are tightening, not unclenching.
And T-square has resulted in what new freedoms, exactly, for the 'yutes of China?

63 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:04:07pm
64 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:04:21pm

Medieval
Fucking
Savages

Mr Obama ... what say you?

65 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:04:24pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

I doubt this is occurring to them, but I seriously hope those on the left who spent 8 years crying about a fascist state will shut their stupid pie holes now. Never at any time were any of them rounded up for their opinions and executed by the state.

they will blame this on the Jews fighting against the nukes.
they will blame this on their grampas who fought in WWII
they will blame it on their grammas who cooked, cleaned and laundered plus worked at an airplane factory.

they will NOT blame dinnerjacket or kameanie. That would break their rose colored glasses which only see the abstract and the near, never the far reality.

66 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:04:24pm

If only Obama didn't speak up.........This never would've happened.

67 tradewind  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:04:31pm

re: #56 lawhawk

And now Obama is pretty much locked into his position of...... wait, what is that, exactly....?

68 kynna  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:05:05pm

Missin' that cowboy.

69 Land Shark  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:05:19pm

re: #64 _RememberTonyC

Medieval
Fucking
Savages

Mr Obama ... what say you?

Hummm, err, Present?

70 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:05:30pm

re: #64 _RememberTonyC

Medieval
Fucking
Savages

Mr Obama ... what say you?


'I'm deeply concerned.'

71 baier  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:05:30pm

This is a debate between the Supreme Leader and his subjects. When do negotiations with Obama start?/

72 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:05:45pm

re: #34 Kosh's Shadow

Obama is taking notes for what to do 8 years from now.

You might think that funny today...or maybe not :

111th CONGRESS
1st Session

H. J. RES. 5

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 6, 2009

73 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:06:23pm

re: #56 lawhawk

Mousavi is still standing up against Ahmadinejad and Khamenei. His supporters are still on the streets and the thugs in charge are going after him. It isn't over, but it will get a whole lot bloodier.

Even if they "get" Mousavi, this has gone further than him.

The Reformers stand a better chance than Hungary or Czechoslovakia.
The regime is on its own, with no hulking superpower to back it up.

74 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:06:36pm

re: #57 scottishbuzzsaw

How's everyone else doing with this part?

The turbaned SOB's are not going away soon I think...I wish they would, but it is starting to look more like Tiananmen than Moscow 1991.

75 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:06:39pm

re: #59 RunningBare

They have those now? Damn, I am so out of touch. Last online quote generator I saw was the Swedish Chef Translator.

Oh there is a quote generator my friend

"These people haven't had Hopenchange for fifty years. So you can't be surprised if they get bitter and cling to their hangings and their executions and their Micheal Jackon. That's what my campaign is about. Teaching all the little people in this country that they can have Healthcare."

76 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:07:10pm

re: #50 alegrias

You've got that Obama Quote Generator job, as an equal substitute!

There is a quote generator out there.

77 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:07:15pm

'tis a good time for mischief.

78 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:07:33pm

re: #61 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I don't.

Neither do I. I pray it's not wishful thinking.

79 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:07:44pm

I HOPE EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WAS NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH IS FUCKING HAPPY NOW!

80 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:07:54pm

re: #63 buzzsawmonkey

to the tune of "Billie Jean":

Iranian protests aren't my concern
I don't care 'bout whatever the mullahs have done
We must not be meddlesome...

* * * **

Brilliant as usual, using the Michael Jackson Quote Generator to get important messages out during the 40 day traditional period of Michael Mourning in moonbat California.

A, B, C
Easy as Mou-sa-vi
Hanging from every tree
Mou-sa-vi's
Iranian twitterers
In the trees.

81 Gearhead  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:08:00pm

The purges begin. May the Mullahs and Mr. Ahmadinejad hang from their own ropes.

Time for some prayer.

82 kynna  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:08:26pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

AP, Reuters and BBC would follow up an attempt to confirm the story, but unfortunately, all their available assets are currently camped in a ditch outside Neverland Ranch.

The b-team of reporters is currently holed up in South Carolina investigating how many times Mark Sanford actually completed the sex act with his mistress.

Priorities.

83 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:08:26pm

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

GTMA!

84 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:08:31pm

Just wait until they start executing homosexuals for being homosexuals...

Then the world will pay attention!

85 RunningBare  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:08:32pm

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sweet! I think I'll use that for the rest of the day to reply to emails here at the college I work at... ;)

86 tradewind  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:08:45pm

re: #63 buzzsawmonkey

Mullahs say Just Beat em, beat em
Who cares what it takes, defeat 'em......

87 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:08:56pm

re: #62 tradewind

Somehow I think those fists are tightening, not unclenching.
And T-square has resulted in what new freedoms, exactly, for the 'yutes of China?

The regime's fists tightening? ... of course.
Events like these must be viewed in the long range. They are symbols.
History doesn't often work by instant gratification.

88 Wendya  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:09:15pm

re: #14 beens21

Obama will be "deeply concerned" and call it "unjust".

He only condemns actions designed to restore the rule of law.

89 tradewind  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:09:18pm

re: #84 Ben Hur

Oh wait......

90 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:09:43pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

AP, Reuters and BBC would follow up an attempt to confirm the story, but unfortunately, all their available assets are currently camped in a ditch outside Neverland Ranch.

Look for the Administration to attempt all kinds of mischief come Friday, when Jackson will be laid out in public for viewing and the media herd rumbles into position to cover that and nothing else.

91 Izzy Dunne  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:09:47pm

re: #42 RunningBare

I'm deeply concerned by this development, but by the same token I feel that this illustrates why we need to engage in further dialog with Iran. Only by sitting down with them, and talking as equals on the world stage, without preconditions, and with diplomacy and understanding, can we reach an accord of mutual respect and common goals. If we can just understand what it is about us that drives them to engage in such actions, then we can truely become one, as brothers united in humanity.

Who let the TeleprompTer on this thread?

92 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:09:55pm

re: #9 scottishbuzzsaw

The flip side to all the courageous women protesters...

How long before people start fighting back?

93 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:10:04pm

re: #6 wrenchwench

They defile the word "holy."

Who decides which cities are holy? Some mullah or the media?

94 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:10:11pm

Was it Columbia that hosted dinnerjacket's speech a year ago or so?

Hope they're proud of themselves.

95 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:10:13pm

Prayers for the Iranian people.
Obama and Merkel agreed at their last meeting that they deplore the violence but will keep negotiating with Iran.
If the hanging story is true I'm sure Secretary Clinton will send a strongly worded letter.

96 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:10:32pm

re: #84 Ben Hur

Just wait until they start executing homosexuals for being homosexuals...

Then the world will pay attention!

They do that already.

97 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:10:56pm

re: #74 Desert Dog

The turbaned SOB's are not going away soon I think...I wish they would, but it is starting to look more like Tiananmen than Moscow 1991.

I can't really argue with that, especially with the neverending scenes of brutality. I just hope it's not true.

98 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:11:04pm

re: #81 Gearhead

The purges begin. May the Mullahs and Mr. Ahmadinejad hang from their own ropes.

Time for some prayer.

Ahamaninejad on his own gallows

99 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:11:05pm

re: #76 Honorary Yooper

There is a quote generator out there.

lol!

Here is my quote:

"These people haven't had rainbows for fifty years. So you can't be surprised if they get bitter and cling to their worms and their sickness and their death. That's what my campaign is about. Teaching all the little people in this country that they can have unicorns."

100 tradewind  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:11:11pm

re: #82 kynna

Sanford needs to STFU. He has sooo asked for this one with his totally inappropriate and humiliating press bare-alls.
Jenny Sanford ought to finish the job.

101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:11:14pm

Uprisings are not really all that successful generally.

When the army shoots back? Generally over with pretty quick.

102 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:11:18pm

re: #94 Sharmuta

Was it Columbia that hosted dinnerjacket's speech a year ago or so?

Hope they're proud of themselves.

I'll bet they still are. Bastards.

103 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:11:36pm

re: #93 eschew_obfuscation

Who decides which cities are holy? Some mullah or the media?

A distant relation to Mo died there. Instant Holy City.

104 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:11:41pm

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"You know, there's a lot of talk in this country about freedom. Well I think Americans are tired of the same old Republicans. Ordinary Americans believe in liberals, they want less conservatives, they just aren't sure if their leaders believe in socialism."

105 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:12:19pm

Please be nice to our Dear Leader. His hands are full trying to subvert a second constitution. Geez, you guys just don't understand.
//

106 mr.JA  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:12:22pm

@#79- Thanks, I've seen that now in a couple of threads... I think we get the message...
Although this is a horrifying act, can the US/Obama better keep its mouth shut- there is a ton of hatred towards the US in Iran, that the totalitarian regime will only use it as argument against the protesters.
Sometimes it is a bad idea to run with scissors...

107 Randall Gross  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:12:22pm

OT:
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108 baier  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:12:26pm

re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A distant relation to Mo died there. Instant Holy City.

The holiness of a city increases in relation to number of Jews living there.

109 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:12:35pm

Maybe if we remind everybody that Green is the color of Hamas and Hizballah, they'd get more involved.

No "We're all Iranian democrats!" rallies being ordered out of the Mosques, eh?

110 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:12:52pm
111 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:12:54pm

re: #101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Uprisings are not really all that successful generally.

When the army shoots back? Generally over with pretty quick.

Got to destabilize the exisiting power structure first.

112 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:13:19pm

re: #77 SasquatchOnSteroids

'tis a good time for mischief.

this is exactly the worst thing the Mullahs can do...they are so out of touch with the citizenry...

113 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:13:24pm

re: #100 tradewind

Sanford needs to STFU. He has sooo asked for this one with his totally inappropriate and humiliating press bare-alls.
Jenny Sanford ought to finish the job.

* * **
Hey, just remember the McCain people thought Mark Sanford was VEEP material at one point, having been a a McCain supporter in 1999 and 2000. How low can that sleazeball Sanford get, regaling us with his private life? Haven't we got enough dysfunctional Hollywood crap in our faces right now>

114 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:13:52pm

re: #108 baier

The holiness of a city increases in relation to number of Jews living there.

I thought it had to do with the number of donuts present.

115 Dayenu  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:13:52pm

Bush freed millions of Iraqis and Afghanis from the oppressive dictatorship of Saddam Hussein and the Taliban. For this, he is ridiculed as a fool, cursed as a war monger, and hated by millions everywhere.

Obama won't lift a finger to help the oppressed of Iran as they are frauded, murdered and hang by their tyrannical dictators. For this, he is praised as righteous, a world citizen, and a mensch.

Woe to he who calls evil good and good evil.

116 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:13:55pm

re: #110 Iron Fist

I don't think anybody, not even Obama, has any real illusions about what the Islamic Republic of Iran is all about. They'd have to be blind, deaf, and dumb not to know. Obama is none of these.

He knows exactly what he is dealing with, and has chosen his path despite this. In my mind, that almost makes him an accessory.

Just another example of the US talking the talk, and not walking the walk.

It's embarrassing.

117 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:14:32pm

re: #28 buzzsawmonkey

If anybody missed the picture of a beaten Iranian protester back in the Firefox thread, I urge them to go hunt it up.

Horrifying--and it shows what the regime is really all about.

Here it is.
Warning - this is graphic and very disturbing (and that doesn't really even begin to describe it).

118 RunningBare  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:14:50pm

re: #99 VioletTiger

lol!

Here is my quote:

"These people haven't had rainbows for fifty years. So you can't be surprised if they get bitter and cling to their worms and their sickness and their death. That's what my campaign is about. Teaching all the little people in this country that they can have unicorns."

"I think it's time we had a national conversation about Explosive Diarrhea. We need to get past the Green Apple Quickstep and recognize that we are our own best hope for overcoming Explosive Diarrhea. We need solid healthy turds, not the liqui-shits. Dry Farts are our hope. And we need to have change in diet."

119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:14:52pm

Gotta get ready for work. Y'all solve it before I get back. Okay?

120 LGoPs  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:15:10pm

This is nothing in Obamaworld. The real atrocity is what's going on in Honduras.
///

121 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:16:03pm

re: #78 scottishbuzzsaw

Neither do I. I pray it's not wishful thinking.

Let's face it. From this point on, the regime will live every day looking over its shoulder. Repression is likely to get worse and worse, and that will be likely to turn more and more of the populace against the (now-blatant) dictatorship.

The "Islamic Republic" is no more. Some of the clerics get that point. The longer the regime hangs on, the more likely it'll be that some of them will be executed. When they are ... this will snowball, big time.

122 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:16:08pm

re: #116 Ben Hur

Just another example of the US talking the talk, and not walking the walk.

It's embarrassing.

* * *
Please remember, Obama doesn't speak for ALL the US.

He is our official elected changey spokesperson, true, but NOT the only voice.

123 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:16:35pm

Someone send that complicit motherfucker a cardigan.

124 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:16:46pm

If any hangings take place, we should have cell phone pictures or some other proof well before the 48 hour rule expires.
Don't get me wrong, I would not put it past the government, but it would be beyond stupid to make any more martyrs for the opposition and rally world opinion.

125 LGoPs  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:16:47pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

Here it is.
Warning - this is graphic and very disturbing (and that doesn't really even begin to describe it).

Did the Hondurans do this?
///

126 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:17:10pm

re: #118 RunningBare

Slow day at work, I take it. ; )

127 Gearhead  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:17:15pm

re: #123 MandyManners

Someone send that complicit motherfucker a cardigan.

Maybe he should just stay in the Rose Garden until the whole thing blows over.

128 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:17:21pm

re: #121 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Let's face it. From this point on, the regime will live every day looking over its shoulder. Repression is likely to get worse and worse, and that will be likely to turn more and more of the populace against the (now-blatant) dictatorship.

The "Islamic Republic" is no more. Some of the clerics get that point. The longer the regime hangs on, the more likely it'll be that some of them will be executed. When they are ... this will snowball, big time.

I hope you are right. It seems the Mullahs have won this first round though. If they start hanging the protesters, who knows what will happen.

129 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:17:22pm

re: #123 MandyManners

Someone send that complicit motherfucker a cardigan.

* * * *
Jimmy Carters' cardigans are in the White House attic or the Smithsonian nearby.

130 tradewind  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:17:47pm

This just seems like such an opportune time for Israel to launch Osirak , part deux......

131 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:18:03pm

re: #122 alegrias

* * *
Please remember, Obama doesn't speak for ALL the US.

He is our official elected changey spokesperson, true, but NOT the only voice.


To the outside world, he does.

The world is watching.

And the dictators ARE PSYCHED, BOYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

132 RunningBare  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:18:07pm

re: #126 capitalist piglet

Slow day at work, I take it. ; )


Boring Meeting + Netbook = Trouble.

133 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:18:50pm

re: #124 avanti

If any hangings take place, we should have cell phone pictures or some other proof well before the 48 hour rule expires.
Don't get me wrong, I would not put it past the government, but it would be beyond stupid to make any more martyrs for the opposition and rally world opinion.

avanti, they hang people just for being gay. Do you honestly think they're concerned about appearances of any kind?

I doubt they're the slightest bit intimidated by Obama's "deep concern".

134 tradewind  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:19:10pm

re: #120 LGoPs

TOTUS should have all his energy focused on placating the ACORN demonstrators who are hitting the streets for more leniency in housing loans.
I am not kidding.....they are demonstrating for relaxed banking standards.

135 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:19:12pm
136 Randall Gross  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:19:15pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

That's jackboot heel work.

137 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:19:15pm

re: #124 avanti

If any hangings take place, we should have cell phone pictures or some other proof well before the 48 hour rule expires.
Don't get me wrong, I would not put it past the government, but it would be beyond stupid to make any more martyrs for the opposition and rally world opinion.


They are shooting people in the street.
They hang Gays constently.

The Mullahs don't give a shit.
The world doesn't give a shit.

138 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:19:21pm

re: #124 avanti

If any hangings take place, we should have cell phone pictures or some other proof well before the 48 hour rule expires.
Don't get me wrong, I would not put it past the government, but it would be beyond stupid to make any more martyrs for the opposition and rally world opinion.

The current leaders want to wipe Israel off the map and think even if they die in a nuclear counterstrike, it will bring back the Mahdi and ignite the Islamic version of the end times, leading them into paradise. I really dont think they give a rat's ass about world opinion at this point.

139 VioletTiger  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:19:33pm

It is hard to find anything about this in the MSM. Plenty of MJ converage however. Have we become a bunch of vapid idiots or does the media just think we have?

140 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:19:55pm

The best way to solve the problem in Iran is to socialize medicine in the US.

141 tradewind  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:20:48pm

re: #131 Ben Hur
Sad to say, but TOTUS is in fact the face and voice of the great satan as far as the ME is concerned......

142 Ackomanyuki  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:20:55pm

Obama won't say a thing unless the Mullahs charge the victims family more than wholesale value for the hangman's rope. It is that point that they would become profiteers and subject to the Ones sanction.

143 yochanan  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:21:18pm

re: #64 _RememberTonyC

the zer0 still wants to shake the bloody hand of the iranian short shit.

144 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:21:20pm

OT
Any Alexandria, Virginians are invited to the swearing in ceremony of two (TWO) new GOP city council members we worked hard to elect on the formerly 100% democrat controlled leftists running our city.

tonite @ 7pm
TC Williams High School,
3331 King Street,
Alexandria Virginia

Where founding father George Washington helped plan the revolution against bad old King George.

145 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:21:49pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

Here it is.
Warning - this is graphic and very disturbing (and that doesn't really even begin to describe it).

I hope that crossed the desk in the Oval Office.

146 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:21:52pm

re: #121 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Let's face it. From this point on, the regime will live every day looking over its shoulder. Repression is likely to get worse and worse, and that will be likely to turn more and more of the populace against the (now-blatant) dictatorship.

The "Islamic Republic" is no more. Some of the clerics get that point. The longer the regime hangs on, the more likely it'll be that some of them will be executed. When they are ... this will snowball, big time.

Yes. I think it's going to get much worse, too, but it won't end there. I fear there will be a terrible reckoning for the regime.

147 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:22:16pm

re: #140 Ben Hur

The best way to solve the problem in Iran is to socialize medicine in the US.

* * *
That's Obama's message today.

148 JCM  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:22:21pm

re: #117 reine.de.tout

Here it is.
Warning - this is graphic and very disturbing (and that doesn't really even begin to describe it).

That's what "vigorous debate" looks like.

149 Pianobuff  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:22:23pm

re: #99 VioletTiger

lol!

Here is my quote:

"These people haven't had rainbows for fifty years. So you can't be surprised if they get bitter and cling to their worms and their sickness and their death. That's what my campaign is about. Teaching all the little people in this country that they can have unicorns."

That was fun.... here's mine:

"I think it's time we had a national conversation about free markets and entrepeneurship. We need to get past all the basic constitutional rights and recognize that we are our own best hope for overcoming traditional families. We need behavioral restrictions, not babies. Behavioral restrictions are our statism and socialism. And we need to have change in free markets and entrepeneurship."

150 tradewind  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:22:31pm

re: #139 VioletTiger

If you want to despair re the collective intelligence of the US population, log onto a comment section of TMZ, or E! online, or People.....
read, and weep.
They can't spell, they can't write, and they can't think. And they're us.

151 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:22:43pm
152 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:22:48pm

re: #133 capitalist piglet

avanti, they hang people just for being gay. Do you honestly think they're concerned about appearances of any kind?

I doubt they're the slightest bit intimidated by Obama's "deep concern".

I was never skeptical of the possibility, just saying we might want some verification, certainly before any nation speaks out. Trust me, if they are shown to be hanging protesters and the POTUS and the world does not act, I'll bitch along side you.

153 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:22:56pm

re: #135 Iron Fist

Fight back with what? Iran has strict gun control. Sure there a few people who know karate and such (I once met a woman instructor who had a dojo in Terhan. I didn't really get to talk with her, just an introduction. I think I was a kyu rank at the time), but there are limits to that. Large groups of people armed with rifles are out of the question.

There are improvised weapons that could be used, but then you have to organize to have any real effect. Resistance isn't futile, but it isn't easy, either.

Armed uprising isn't an option at this point. At this point, assassination of any Basiji and other Dinnerjacket supporters would be the best option. Find them, kill them quickly and quietly and disappear.

154 tradewind  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:22:59pm

re: #143 yochanan

Brain bleach.... what a picture that paints.

155 JustABill  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:23:19pm

re: #130 tradewind

This just seems like such an opportune time for Israel to launch Osirak , part deux......

No, that would just suck up any remaining network news time that remains after the "Michael Jackson is still dead" stories, leaving even less than before for "Iran is killing its Citizens", "ObamaCare". "Crap and Trade" and now the new and improved "Amnesty for Illegal Aliens" plan that Obama wants before the end of the year...

156 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:23:29pm

re: #136 Thanos

That's jackboot heel work.

I just cannot imagine that. It's awful, but people need to see it.

157 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:23:40pm

re: #110 Iron Fist

I don't think anybody, not even Obama, has any real illusions about what the Islamic Republic of Iran is all about. They'd have to be blind, deaf, and dumb not to know. Obama is none of these.

He knows exactly what he is dealing with, and has chosen his path despite this. In my mind, that almost makes him an accessory.

he is certainly still eager to bow and talk to these monsters w/ so much blood on their hands. he is impressed w/ tyrants.
he has turned his back on the innocent people who called out for help.
it is noticed by the world, including our worst enemies.

158 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:23:59pm

re: #148 JCM

That's what "vigorous debate" looks like.

Yes...it was a "robust debate", most assuredly.

159 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:24:20pm

I don't know if this is from the past day or two (or not), but this is a VERY GRAPHIC photo of hanging protesters n iran. The accompanying story WAS written yesterday.

WARNING ... VERY GRAPHIC

[Link: military.rightpundits.com...]

these medieval fucking savages running iran have GOT TO GO, Mr President!

160 pink freud  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:25:00pm

re: #42 RunningBare

I'm deeply concerned by this development, but by the same token I feel that this illustrates why we need to engage in further dialog with Iran. Only by sitting down with them, and talking as equals on the world stage, without preconditions, and with diplomacy and understanding, can we reach an accord of mutual respect and common goals. If we can just understand what it is about us that drives them to engage in such actions, then we can truely become one, as brothers united in humanity.

Or something. *Rips off shirt* ADORE ME!

/ObamaMode

Jon Favreau, is that you?

161 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:25:13pm

re: #148 JCM

That's what "vigorous debate" looks like.

I wonder if Obama has seen it?

162 alegrias  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:25:16pm

Good bye for now folks.

One bright spot in our economy: Michael Jackson related items are selling like hotcakes.

Maybe enough to cover our deficit.////

163 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:25:32pm

re: #159 _RememberTonyC

I don't know if this is from the past day or two (or not), but this is a VERY GRAPHIC photo of hanging protesters n iran. The accompanying story WAS written yesterday.

WARNING ... VERY GRAPHIC

[Link: military.rightpundits.com...]

these medieval fucking savages running iran have GOT TO GO, Mr President!

There you go, avanti. Is it all right for Obama to condemn this now?

164 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:26:19pm

re: #128 Desert Dog

I hope you are right. It seems the Mullahs have won this first round though. If they start hanging the protesters, who knows what will happen.

The interesting points are two:

1. At least two Grand Ayatollahs came out against this early on. Later, there were photos of turbaned mullahs in the street with the protesters.

2. The reports of IRGC commanders refusing to order their men against the demonstrators. I wasn't expecting that, but the numerous and repetitive expat and internal reports appear to be on-target.

If there are fractures within the IRGC, this doesn't bode well for stability for the dictatorship. It'll have to become suspicious of everyone.

165 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:26:23pm

re: #139 VioletTiger

It is hard to find anything about this in the MSM. Plenty of MJ converage however. Have we become a bunch of vapid idiots or does the media just think we have?

consider the number of posts with regard to Beck, O'Reily, some show or talking hair do...just sayin...it's a national preoccupation

166 RunningBare  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:26:53pm

re: #163 capitalist piglet

There you go, avanti. Is it all right for Obama to condemn this now?

No way. That would be judgemental and wrong.

167 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:27:09pm
168 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:29:36pm

re: #122 alegrias

* * *
Please remember, Obama doesn't speak for ALL the US.

He is our official elected changey spokesperson, true, but NOT the only voice.

Are you saying "Not in my name!" ?
I'm so there.

169 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:29:42pm
170 pink freud  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:29:44pm

re: #166 RunningBare

No way. That would be judgemental and wrong.

"Do you need help processing your judgmentalism?"

/gak

171 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:31:27pm
172 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:31:38pm

re: #100 tradewind

Sanford needs to STFU. He has sooo asked for this one with his totally inappropriate and humiliating press bare-alls.
Jenny Sanford ought to finish the job.

Man, his poor kids. What a screwup he is.

173 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:31:47pm

I'm for some shock and awe starting yesterday....if deposing Hussein was justified what are we waiting for....the Mullahs are an insult to civilized humanity...

174 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:32:10pm
175 RunningBare  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:32:18pm

re: #170 pink freud

"Do you need help processing your judgmentalism?"

/gak

I used to be really judgemental. Then one day I realized, "Only worthless, arrogant, ignorant pseudo-intellectuals are judgemental".

And I sure as shit didnt' wanna be like them, so I stopped.

176 Kragar  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:33:12pm

re: #173 albusteve

I'm for some shock and awe starting yesterday....if deposing Hussein was justified what are we waiting for....the Mullahs are an insult to civilized humanity...

The current administration doesn't think deposing Hussein was justified.

177 opnion  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:33:12pm

re: #171 buzzsawmonkey

They're hanging men, and women too, for wearin' of the Green.

--old Irish Iranian folks song

Achmed dear O did you hear the news that's goin round................

178 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:33:37pm

re: #100 tradewind

Sanford needs to STFU. He has sooo asked for this one with his totally inappropriate and humiliating press bare-alls.
Jenny Sanford ought to finish the job.

It's said that she was the brains behind his political career.
Maybe she should run for governor.

179 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:33:43pm

Tragic and predictable. Is anyone really surprised by these actions on the part of the mullah and the dinnerjacket? I am not. He, and they, rule by fear.

180 pink freud  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:33:47pm

re: #175 RunningBare

I used to be really judgemental. Then one day I realized, "Only worthless, arrogant, ignorant pseudo-intellectuals are judgemental".

And I sure as shit didnt' wanna be like them, so I stopped.

I have my moments ......

:-)

/and love every one of them
LOL

181 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:34:12pm

re: #167 Iron Fist

We're fucked. It doesn't look like he is going to move on the gun control front, which is good news (unless you want a Civil War), but he is still going to push ahead his Leftist agenda. And there is precious little the Republicans can do to stop it. The only thing that they can do is to form a solid front against all this shit and make the Democrats own the whole house of cards.

And make sure that the public knows who to blame when it all comes crashing down. I don't know if the Republicans have that in them, but it is what the should do.

But in 2 years, the MSM will have convinced most people that the Republicans are the party of Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan, and any attempts to create a third party will be ignored or treated as a bunch of loonies

182 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:34:33pm

re: #176 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The current administration doesn't think deposing Hussein was justified.

liberals get people killed...it's as simple as that to me

183 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:35:40pm

re: #150 tradewind

If you want to despair re the collective intelligence of the US population, log onto a comment section of TMZ, or E! online, or People.....
read, and weep.
They can't spell, they can't write, and they can't think. And they're us.

wait, wait, you were at TMZ? E! ? Did they say if "0" will be going to "Neverland" to bless Michael's corpse?........mmmmmm.....dead donuts.......

184 pink freud  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:35:42pm

re: #182 albusteve

liberals get people killed...it's as simple as that to me

To extrapolate:

The victim mindset that's been ingrained doesn't help either. Look at Katrina.

185 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:36:53pm

re: #101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Uprisings are not really all that successful generally.

When the army shoots back? Generally over with pretty quick.

Big question about whose side the regular army would come down on. I don't think the regime trusts them or the civilian police. I believe they can only rely on the secret police, their hired thugs, and the revolutionary guard.

186 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:37:22pm

re: #184 pink freud

To extrapolate:

The victim mindset that's been ingrained doesn't help either. Look at Katrina.

people sacrifice their lives so the liberals can maintain their political power...how will history treat these....people

187 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:38:21pm

re: #163 capitalist piglet

There you go, avanti. Is it all right for Obama to condemn this now?

Did Bush, when the video of the murders and robbers being hung last year when the video was shot ? This is why we need the 48 hour rule IMHO

video.

188 opnion  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:38:25pm

re: #179 WinterCat

Tragic and predictable. Is anyone really surprised by these actions on the part of the mullah and the dinnerjacket? I am not. He, and they, rule by fear.

This is the conduct that they exhibited after Carter abetted the Islamic Revolution. Hangings & shootings ruled the day.
Enough about Michael Jackson, Obama needs to come out strongly & condemn what is going on in Iran & threaten sanctions.

189 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:39:25pm

re: #185 Son of the Black Dog

Big question about whose side the regular army would come down on. I don't think the regime trusts them or the civilian police. I believe they can only rely on the secret police, their hired thugs, and the revolutionary guard.

I agree. There were reports, early on, of the regular police coming to the aid of protesters.

Commanders of the regular Army have been replaced with IRGC men. An uprising in the Artesh would have to come from the field-grade officers.

190 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:40:06pm

bbl

191 pink freud  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:40:44pm

re: #186 albusteve

people sacrifice their lives so the liberals can maintain their political power...how will history treat these....people

They are the enlightened ones. We couldn't possibly ever 'get it'.
/

192 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:41:07pm

re: #187 avanti

Did Bush, when the video of the murders and robbers being hung last year when the video was shot ? This is why we need the 48 hour rule IMHO

video.

you need some rule not me...this is a 30 year nightmare...forget Bush and the rest...obviously you are complicit with your mindset...is the ever a good war for people like you?

193 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:41:45pm

re: #187 avanti

George Bush not condemning criminals being executed?...?...
Seriously?

Your "0" is a disaster.

194 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:41:45pm

Guerrillas never win wars, but their adversaries often lose them!

I hope this regime will lose!

195 Code Red 21  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:42:30pm

re: #157 nyc redneck

he is certainly still eager to bow and talk to these monsters w/ so much blood on their hands. he is impressed w/ tyrants.
he has turned his back on the innocent people who called out for help.
it is noticed by the world, including our worst enemies.

Your line about him being impressed with tyrants really hit home with me because I think he's taking notes and it is very troubling.

196 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:42:53pm

re: #187 avanti

Did Bush, when the video of the murders and robbers being hung last year when the video was shot ? This is why we need the 48 hour rule IMHO

video.

Did you honestly doubt where President Bush stood on things like this? He wasn't on television every five minutes, so I could see how you might have had trouble tracking his opinion, but really...did you?

And did you ever doubt that there was a willingness to back it up, on his part at least?

197 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:43:19pm

I consider slaughtering you own citizens, genocide, a reason for military intervention

198 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:43:49pm

re: #187 avanti

Did Bush, when the video of the murders and robbers being hung last year when the video was shot ? This is why we need the 48 hour rule IMHO

video.

Bush was frequently on record condemning the medieval fucking savages running iran. Maybe you missed it when he called them out as a member of the Axis of Evil.

199 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:44:02pm
200 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:45:26pm

re: #193 IslandLibertarian

George Bush not condemning criminals being executed?...?...
Seriously?

Your "0" is a disaster.

I guess you missed the point, The video posted was purported to show a recent hanging of protesters and questioned why BHO did not speak out and it was a old video. There may have been recent hangings but the link was spinning.

201 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:45:35pm

re: #199 buzzsawmonkey

Odd how the standard of "Did Bush?" suddenly becomes the rule when making excuses for Obama. I had thought that the reason people turned out in droves for Obama was that they wanted, and expected, something better than Bush.

Yet, whenever Obama's manifest failures are pointed out, he is not held to any objective standard of decency, and certainly not to the high "hope and change" standard that he set for himself in the campaign--but to the standard of whether his predecessor did what he is failing to do.

yes...exactly

202 pink freud  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:45:36pm

re: #199 buzzsawmonkey

Odd how the standard of "Did Bush?" suddenly becomes the rule when making excuses for Obama. I had thought that the reason people turned out in droves for Obama was that they wanted, and expected, something better than Bush.

Yet, whenever Obama's manifest failures are pointed out, he is not held to any objective standard of decency, and certainly not to the high "hope and change" standard that he set for himself in the campaign--but to the standard of whether his predecessor did what he is failing to do.

The good old liberal two-step. They all know the steps so well. I see this over and over again.

203 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:46:04pm

re: #196 capitalist piglet

Did you honestly doubt where President Bush stood on things like this? He wasn't on television every five minutes, so I could see how you might have had trouble tracking his opinion, but really...did you?

And did you ever doubt that there was a willingness to back it up, on his part at least?

You've hit it.
No, we did not doubt where Bush stood on these types of things, he was very clear.

Obama - I cannot be at all certain that he's even aware that these things are going on, much less have the moral discernment to condemn it.

204 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:47:21pm

re: #200 avanti

I guess you missed the point, The video posted was purported to show a recent hanging of protesters and questioned why BHO did not speak out and it was a old video. There may have been recent hangings but the link was spinning.

nuance 'recent' for us....wtf is wrong with you?....this has gone on for decades....where is BOs change?...more talk is no change

205 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:47:32pm

re: #200 avanti

I guess you missed the point, The video posted was purported to show a recent hanging of protesters and questioned why BHO did not speak out and it was a old video. There may have been recent hangings but the link was spinning.

I think you're missing the point. The milquetoast "on the other hand" bullsit responses to these things is getting old, and fast.

206 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:47:36pm

re: #200 avanti

I guess you missed the point, The video posted was purported to show a recent hanging of protesters and questioned why BHO did not speak out and it was a old video. There may have been recent hangings but the link was spinning.


Alright dude .... here is something more recent.

WARNING .... UNBELIEVABLY GRAPHIC ... I MEAN IT

[Link: nicedeb.wordpress.com...]

What say you now?

207 JustABill  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:47:38pm

I take you point about the 48 hour rule. What we need to do is revisit this thread when and if these hangings are shown to be real...

208 pink freud  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:48:48pm

re: #205 capitalist piglet

I think you're missing the point. The milquetoast "on the other hand" bullsit responses to these things is getting old, and fast.

/not to mention the bullshit ones, too!
;-)

209 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:49:13pm

re: #200 avanti

I guess you missed the point, The video posted was purported to show a recent hanging of protesters and questioned why BHO did not speak out and it was a old video. There may have been recent hangings but the link was spinning.

I do not understand what you are trying to say here.
You questioned if Bush spoke out.
You missed my point.

"0" is a disaster.

210 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:49:53pm
211 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:50:07pm

re: #206 _RememberTonyC

Alright dude .... here is something more recent.

WARNING .... UNBELIEVABLY GRAPHIC ... I MEAN IT

[Link: nicedeb.wordpress.com...]

What say you now?

"I am troubled by that photograph. I'll have two scoops of butter pecan in a waffle cone."

212 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:50:11pm

re: #198 _RememberTonyC

Bush was frequently on record condemning the medieval fucking savages running iran. Maybe you missed it when he called them out as a member of the Axis of Evil.

OK, I give up, maybe Bush did condemn the execution of the murders in the video of the old hanging shown as proof that BHO needed to speak out about recent purported hangings. I'll take a break for now and try to explain better on another post .

213 wiffersnapper  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:50:50pm

Religion of Peace huh?

214 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:52:21pm

re: #212 avanti

OK, I give up, maybe Bush did condemn the execution of the murders in the video of the old hanging shown as proof that BHO needed to speak out about recent purported hangings. I'll take a break for now and try to explain better on another post .

too much squabbling for you?...cut and run avanti....you are complicit with your empty headed maximum BDS...go suck up to your buddies in the morning thread...they are more concerned about your stupid karma than I am

215 RunningBare  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:52:26pm

re: #205 capitalist piglet

I think you're missing the point. The milquetoast "on the other hand" bullsit responses to these things is getting old, and fast.

Right on. You nailed it.

216 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:52:41pm

re: #212 avanti

OK, I give up, maybe Bush did condemn the execution of the murders in the video of the old hanging shown as proof that BHO needed to speak out about recent purported hangings. I'll take a break for now and try to explain better on another post .

not necessary ... but what is your standard for measuring evil? is there ANYTHING iran could do to their innocent citizens that is outrageous enough for our President to actually get pissed for real?

217 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:52:58pm

re: #186 albusteve

people sacrifice their lives so the liberals can maintain their political power...how will history treat these....people

Unfortunately, history is written by liberals. Hence the low level of knowledge of America's true history among graduates of any level.

218 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:54:59pm

re: #200 avanti

I guess you missed the point, The video posted was purported to show a recent hanging of protesters and questioned why BHO did not speak out and it was a old video. There may have been recent hangings but the link was spinning.

159 _RememberTonyC 7/01/09 1:24:20 pm reply quote

* 2
* down
* up
* favorite
* report

I don't know if this is from the past day or two (or not), but this is a VERY GRAPHIC photo of hanging protesters n iran. The accompanying story WAS written yesterday.

WARNING ... VERY GRAPHIC

[Link: military.rightpundits.com...]

these medieval fucking savages running iran have GOT TO GO, Mr President!


I think that the person who posted that video said pretty clearly he questioned its accuracy. The story, he said, was written yesterday. However, I do agree that the story, even if it is current, accompanying a video of an event from a year ago should have pointed out the fact that it was NOT a current hanging, but an illustration of Iraninan "justice" in general, otherwise the validity of the entire article comes into question.

219 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:55:04pm
220 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:55:13pm

re: #217 Son of the Black Dog

Unfortunately, history is written by liberals. Hence the low level of knowledge of America's true history among graduates of any level.

you can contort the truth with words on paper but that does not make it so

221 JCM  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:55:33pm

re: #182 albusteve

liberals get people killed...it's as simple as that to me

A couple weeks I took off on a little rant...

My boys, 4 and 5 got in trouble for playings guns with their fingers at pre-school.

The extension of that mindset is gun free zones, like Virginia Tech.

222 avanti  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:55:56pm

re: #210 Iron Fist

Down-ding for that. Obama is approaching being as disgusting as Clinton was during the Rwanda Genocide. Do nothing, and spin, spin, spin for the murderers until it is all over. Hell of a foreign policy.

Down ding all you want, when I see a obvious error in fact, I'll take the dings. If correcting something like a old video posted as new to support your position is wrong, ding away. Later guys, going out with a friend for a few drinks.

223 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:56:36pm
224 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:56:52pm

re: #210 Iron Fist

Down-ding for that. Obama is approaching being as disgusting as Clinton was during the Rwanda Genocide. Do nothing, and spin, spin, spin for the murderers until it is all over. Hell of a foreign policy.

at least clinton apologized to the people who had been brutalized.

o only apologizes to the the murderous thugs committing the atrocities.

225 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:57:47pm

re: #222 avanti

Down ding all you want, when I see a obvious error in fact, I'll take the dings. If correcting something like a old video posted as new to support your position is wrong, ding away. Later guys, going out with a friend for a few drinks.

I haven't dinged you, avanti, but I have to ask - what reason do we have to give the Iranian powers-that-be the benefit of the doubt in this regard?

Give me one. (When you come back, please.)

226 RunningBare  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:57:48pm

re: #224 nyc redneck

at least clinton apologized to the people who had been brutalized.

o only apologizes to the the murderous thugs committing the atrocities.


Maybe the people of Iran didn't pony up enough dough for his campaign.

227 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:58:12pm

re: #222 avanti

Down ding all you want, when I see a obvious error in fact, I'll take the dings. If correcting something like a old video posted as new to support your position is wrong, ding away. Later guys, going out with a friend for a few drinks.


I guess #206 made no impression on you at all ... drink up.

228 RunningBare  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:58:32pm

re: #225 capitalist piglet

I haven't dinged you, avanti, but I have to ask - what reason do we have to give the Iranian powers-that-be the benefit of the doubt in this regard?

Give me one. (When you come back, please.)


Obama speaks highly of them, and we all know what a Good Guy(tm) he is, so...

229 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:58:45pm

re: #221 JCM

A couple weeks I took off on a little rant...

My boys, 4 and 5 got in trouble for playings guns with their fingers at pre-school.

The extension of that mindset is gun free zones, like Virginia Tech.

I recall...liberalism is a disease, there is no cure...you just have to beat it at the polls and it's a monumental task, maybe impossible...I don't feel bad about my brash denunciation of liberalism...it's fundamentally unAmerican and that's where I draw the line

230 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 1:59:46pm

re: #222 avanti

Down ding all you want, when I see a obvious error in fact, I'll take the dings. If correcting something like a old video posted as new to support your position is wrong, ding away. Later guys, going out with a friend for a few drinks.

Avanti - it wasn't the questioning of the video - nor was it the request for a 48-hour rule to be applied. It's what buzzsawmonkey said:

Odd how the standard of "Did Bush?" suddenly becomes the rule when making excuses for Obama. I had thought that the reason people turned out in droves for Obama was that they wanted, and expected, something better than Bush.

231 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:00:09pm

re: #225 capitalist piglet

I haven't dinged you, avanti, but I have to ask - what reason do we have to give the Iranian powers-that-be the benefit of the doubt in this regard?

Give me one. (When you come back, please.)

avanti is the worst kind of karma whore...he wants to be the jolly lib around here....fuck that...he's demented

232 RunningBare  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:00:30pm

re: #229 albusteve

I recall...liberalism is a disease, there is no cure...you just have to beat it at the polls and it's a monumental task, maybe impossible...I don't feel bad about my brash denunciation of liberalism...it's fundamentally unAmerican and that's where I draw the line

Agreed. I'm telling ya, all that's missing are long lines at the gas station and the president getting attacked by a killer rabbit, or I'd think this was the late 70s all over again...

233 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:00:57pm

re: #203 reine.de.tout

You've hit it.
No, we did not doubt where Bush stood on these types of things, he was very clear.

Obama - I cannot be at all certain that he's even aware that these things are going on, much less have the moral discernment to condemn it.

I'm more concerned that he might not find anything wrong with it.

234 Clubsec  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:01:15pm

What the Iranians really need is retroactive application of our 2nd Amendment.
Because HopenChange ain't gonna get it.

235 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:01:19pm

re: #226 RunningBare

Maybe the people of Iran didn't pony up enough dough for his campaign.

he would have had a gold mine of good will around the world from freedom loving people if he would have come out early and on the side of the iranians marching for liberty against the monsters.

o fcking blew it. and he doesn't even know it.

236 jamgarr  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:02:38pm

Millions in Iran are asking themselves: "Just exactly how is it that the Great Satan caused this?"

237 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:02:51pm
Down ding all you want, when I see a obvious error in fact, I'll take the dings. If correcting something like a old video posted as new to support your position is wrong, ding away. Later guys, going out with a friend for a few drinks.

And it's also that Obama is ignoring accurate photographic evidence.

238 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:03:10pm

re: #93 eschew_obfuscation

Who decides which cities are holy? Some mullah or the media?

As far as I can tell, all cities in the Middle East are holy. I don't know how they get the title, but every damn place in the region seems to be the 'holy city of'.

239 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:03:26pm

re: #232 RunningBare

Agreed. I'm telling ya, all that's missing are long lines at the gas station and the president getting attacked by a killer rabbit, or I'd think this was the late 70s all over again...

I dunno. If things keep going the way they have been over the past 6 months, I think by the time O's four years are up, we are going to look upon the late '70s as the halcyon days.

240 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:04:04pm

re: #237 reine.de.tout

And it's also that Obama is ignoring accurate photographic evidence.


OMG ... horrific beyond words ... medieval fucking savages

241 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:04:58pm

re: #232 RunningBare

Agreed. I'm telling ya, all that's missing are long lines at the gas station and the president getting attacked by a killer rabbit, or I'd think this was the late 70s all over again...

And also, as nyc redneck pointed out last night - they are just loving trying to make us believe that we are enjoying being poorer than we were.

242 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:05:02pm

re: #235 nyc redneck

he would have had a gold mine of good will around the world from freedom loving people if he would have come out early and on the side of the iranians marching for liberty against the monsters.

o fcking blew it. and he doesn't even know it.

the torch of American greatness is to vow for personal freedoms, the right of free will and an avenue for people to pursue those liberties...BO is an unAmerican goon that is trampling all over the dreams of millions of people world wide...he does not speak for me and I will resist him on principle over every issue...he's a fucking commie

243 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:05:35pm
244 albusteve  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:07:00pm

re: #243 Iron Fist

The worst thing about Rwanda is that the murderers were armed with machetes. A company or two of mechanized infantry would have gone through them like a hot knife through butter. Clinton could have stopped the genocide and chose not to. When history finally piuts Clinton in his place Rwanda, rather than a cum-stained dress, will be the blackest mark on his Presidency.

It is hard to think of any President who deserved a blacker mark.

liberals don't even connect the two...blind leading the blind....righteous force ensures justice

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:07:13pm

re: #217 Son of the Black Dog

Unfortunately, history is written by liberals. Hence the low level of knowledge of America's true history among graduates of any level.

"History is written by liberals." Exclusively? America's "true history" exists only in oral tradition, handed down from conservative to conservative? Yeesh.

246 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:08:07pm

re: #242 albusteve

the torch of American greatness is to vow for personal freedoms, the right of free will and an avenue for people to pursue those liberties...BO is an unAmerican goon that is trampling all over the dreams of millions of people world wide...he does not speak for me and I will resist him on principle over every issue...he's a fucking commie

and a snake oil salesman.

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:10:33pm

re: #243 Iron Fist

The worst thing about Rwanda is that the murderers were armed with machetes. A company or two of mechanized infantry would have gone through them like a hot knife through butter. Clinton could have stopped the genocide and chose not to. When history finally piuts Clinton in his place Rwanda, rather than a cum-stained dress, will be the blackest mark on his Presidency.

It is hard to think of any President who deserved a blacker mark.

I would like to think that that's what history will condemn Bill Clinton for, but I doubt it. The West has so far managed to completely ignore Africa. We didn't stop Rwanda, we didn't stop Congo, we are not stopping Darfur.

248 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:12:30pm

re: #239 WinterCat

I dunno. If things keep going the way they have been over the past 6 months, I think by the time O's four years are up, we are going to look upon the late '70s as the halcyon days.

Yes, we'll look back on the gas lines, as we tell our kids or grandkids about gas lines, and they as "What's gas?"

249 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:12:57pm

Am I wrong to assume that the President of the United States knows what is happening on the ground in Iran before we do?

250 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:13:15pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

I would like to think that that's what history will condemn Bill Clinton for, but I doubt it. The West has so far managed to completely ignore Africa. We didn't stop Rwanda, we didn't stop Congo, we are not stopping Darfur.

You'd think a black President might actually be concerned about blacks being enslaved and killed in Darfur, wouldn't you.

251 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:17:13pm

re: #249 capitalist piglet

Am I wrong to assume that the President of the United States knows what is happening on the ground in Iran before we do?

He should know before we do.
But I've seen no evidence that he does, OR if he does, he just doesn't really know what to make of it.

252 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:17:49pm

re: #250 Kosh's Shadow

You'd think a black President might actually be concerned about blacks being enslaved and killed in Darfur, wouldn't you.

he doesn't want to interfere in the internal affairs of a muslim country ...

253 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:18:27pm

re: #250 Kosh's Shadow

You'd think a black President might actually be concerned about blacks being enslaved and killed in Darfur, wouldn't you.

I would hope that the U.S. president, black, white, purple or green, would be concerned about atrocities anywhere.

254 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:19:46pm

re: #243 Iron Fist

The worst thing about Rwanda is that the murderers were armed with machetes. A company or two of mechanized infantry would have gone through them like a hot knife through butter.

I doubt that this would have been enough - civil war is awful and not so easy to stop.
But he could and should do much more than what he did.

255 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:20:56pm

re: #243 Iron Fist

The worst thing about Rwanda is that the murderers were armed with machetes. A company or two of mechanized infantry would have gone through them like a hot knife through butter. Clinton could have stopped the genocide and chose not to. When history finally piuts Clinton in his place Rwanda, rather than a cum-stained dress, will be the blackest mark on his Presidency.

It is hard to think of any President who deserved a blacker mark.

you are right. in the situation in rwanda it was mostly just doped up young boys and teenagers armed w/ machetes. they could have easily been stopped. i heard an account of how they congregated on hill tops surrounding a village and waited and watched for their opportunity.
as the 'peace keepers' walked away, deserting the unarmed people, the boys advanced into the village and began their butchery.

clinton did nothing. and knew what was going on. he is one cold hearted lib.
bastard.

256 Mich-again  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:21:59pm

The Islamic Kleptocracy is losing its grip. nice.

257 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:22:40pm

re: #252 _RememberTonyC

he doesn't want to interfere in the internal affairs of a muslim country ...

I am worried about the tendency he has so far demonstrated to side with every evil bastard on the globe.

258 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:26:22pm

re: #243 Iron Fist

The worst thing about Rwanda is that the murderers were armed with machetes. A company or two of mechanized infantry would have gone through them like a hot knife through butter. Clinton could have stopped the genocide and chose not to. When history finally piuts Clinton in his place Rwanda, rather than a cum-stained dress, will be the blackest mark on his Presidency.

It is hard to think of any President who deserved a blacker mark.

The Rwanda genocide has already become a footnote to history.
And Clinton isn't even mentioned in the footnote.
Totally forgotten, like it never even happened.

259 JCM  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:26:37pm

re: #222 avanti

Avanti,

Fundamental question.

Define a legitimate government.

260 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:26:37pm
261 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:29:06pm

re: #250 Kosh's Shadow

You'd think a black President might actually be concerned about blacks being enslaved and killed in Darfur, wouldn't you.

But it's Muslims doing the killing and enslaving, so he's a little conflicted.

262 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:30:11pm
263 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:31:57pm

re: #262 Iron Fist

That is true for now, because there are still so many people who adore Clinton and don't want to see his name besmirched (any more than it is). These passions will fade with the passage of time. Bill Clinton was not a great, or even good, President. He was barely adequate in a time when barely adequate could get by with the proper spin and general friendlyness of the media.

All of that will fade with the passage of time. One can hope that in the future, when passions have faded, BillClinton will finally get the legacy he deserves.

From your lips to God's ears.

264 Clubsec  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:37:16pm

Avanti? you claim: ... Did Bush, when the video of the murders and robbers being hung last year when the video was shot ? ...
Is the implication that he did nothing? After the Blackwater guys got ambushed and had their bodies suspended from the bridge works?
Ah yea, about that. I recall an MEU and few Army combat battalion teams went across Fallujah like class 5 Kansas tornados.
i recommend 'House to House' by David Bellavia
or
'No True Glory: A Frontline Account of the Battle for Fallujah' by Bing West

265 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:42:21pm

re: #260 Iron Fist

Sorry, I still do not believe that this would have worked.
For how long you wanna do this? Years?

And you could not stop it if some guys driving in a village on a Pickup...round up some people and kill them and drive away.

Not in a whole country with just some soldiers.

Neighbors, former friends just looked away...betrayed them...took their stuff after it...and so on.

But something like a 2nd Amendment on the other hand...

266 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:55:37pm

re: #255 nyc redneck

you are right. in the situation in rwanda it was mostly just doped up young boys and teenagers armed w/ machetes. they could have easily been stopped. i heard an account of how they congregated on hill tops surrounding a village and waited and watched for their opportunity.
as the 'peace keepers' walked away, deserting the unarmed people, the boys advanced into the village and began their butchery.

clinton did nothing. and knew what was going on. he is one cold hearted lib.
bastard.

There's an excellent movie, the name of which I cannot recall right now. I'll let you know if I think of it (which I will sooner or later)

267 JCM  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:56:51pm

re: #266 reine.de.tout

There's an excellent movie, the name of which I cannot recall right now. I'll let you know if I think of it (which I will sooner or later)

Hotel Rwanda?

268 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:57:02pm

re: #266 reine.de.tout

There's an excellent movie, the name of which I cannot recall right now. I'll let you know if I think of it (which I will sooner or later)

Hotel Rwanda

269 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:57:45pm

re: #267 JCM

Hotel Rwanda?

YES!

270 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 2:58:33pm

re: #267 JCM

re: #268 Joshua Cohen

I knew *I* would think of it given enough time.
LOL.
Nothing like a couple of "clues" hitting me in the face.

271 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 3:05:45pm

Its a good one. Based on a real story and a real character.

But its scary too. At the unplumbed depths of the human soul part.

272 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 3:12:08pm

If they hang more than half the country, people will wonder if Ahmadinejad really got more than half the votes. Obama will express outrage! ! ! !

that petroleum-based nylon ropes were used, rather than environmentally friendly sisal.

273 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 3:34:29pm

There was another movie about modern civil war and its awful faces.

A group of British soldiers in Ex-Yugoslavia at the time of the Kosovo Conflict.

They where always just bystanders with tied hands.
Once even trying to protect a young guy by letting him travel in their APC...until they had to hand him over to the locals at a checkpoint...

I watched it once late night on a kind of 3rd Channel, but can not remember its title.

274 tyree  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 6:35:27pm

"...sources in Iran told this reporter in a telephone interview that the hangings took place in the holy city of Mashhad on Monday. "

Just one of the reasons not to lump all religions together.

275 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 1, 2009 7:05:56pm

hope and change.


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