WSJ: Franken Stole the Election

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The Wall Street Journal’s editors weigh in on Al Franken’s Senate win: The ‘Absentee’ Senator.

The Minnesota Supreme Court yesterday declared Democrat Al Franken the winner of last year’s disputed Senate race, and Republican incumbent Norm Coleman’s gracious concession at least spares the state any further legal combat. The unfortunate lesson is that you don’t need to win the vote on Election Day as long as your lawyers are creative enough to have enough new or disqualified ballots counted after the fact.

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177 comments

MandyManners Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:28:14am

Did the bear vote, too?

Sharmuta Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:30:07am

There needs to be serious reform to correct voting irregularities, like a simple ID check and maybe purple fingers like Iraq.

shiplord kirel Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:30:58am

Good. I expect Senator Franken to have some sort of epic meltdown within a couple of months, tops.

BlueCanuck Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:31:20am

re: #2 Sharmuta

Doesn't really help if the people counting the ballots are actively changing the count and adding ballots that should be disqualified.

MandyManners Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:31:37am

re: #2 Sharmuta

There needs to be serious reform to correct voting irregularities, like a simple ID check and maybe purple fingers like Iraq.

Haven't ID checks been called "racist"?

Charles Johnson Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:32:34am

re: #3 shiplord kirel

Good. I expect Senator Franken to have some sort of epic meltdown within a couple of months, tops.

Yeah - he's a pretty unstable character. Maybe he'll get in a fistfight with Michele Bachmann.

BatGuano Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:32:40am

re: #2 Sharmuta

There needs to be serious reform to correct voting irregularities, like a simple ID check and maybe purple fingers like Iraq.

Right. It is better to be caught purple-fingered than red-handed.

JCM Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:32:52am

The Minnesota Recount Folly: We've Been Down That Road
How the Democrats 'won' the Washington governor's mansion in 2004.
DECEMBER 31, 2008

pat Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:33:00am

The rule is simple. If there is a recount the Dems win. They have the nerve for open corruption. The GOP does not.

BlueCanuck Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:33:11am

I wonder if you guys should switch to the Canadian style ballot. On a black field the names of the people running for election are printed in white, the mark is made in pen on a black circle. Simple to count and hard to declare invalid.

JCM Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:33:45am

re: #6 Charles

Yeah - he's a pretty unstable character. Maybe he'll get in a fistfight with Michele Bachmann.

That'd be fun, but we could only root for a simultaneous knock out.

shiplord kirel Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:34:04am

re: #5 MandyManners

Haven't ID checks been called "racist"?

By ACORN and its media allies. As we know, they have been accused of fraud in a number of states. That remains to be seen but there is no doubt at all that they have worked long and hard to undermine any measures, including voter ID, that would help to mitigate fraud.

pat Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:34:20am

re: #6 Charles

She will bitch slap him and take knock him census.

wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:34:27am

re: #6 Charles

Yeah - he's a pretty unstable character. Maybe he'll get in a fistfight with Michele Bachmann.

heh. My money's on Michele,

BatGuano Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:34:31am

re: #6 Charles

Yeah - he's a pretty unstable character. Maybe he'll get in a fistfight with Michele Bachmann.

Nah. He would just tackle her from behind. Wimp.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:34:50am

re: #2 Sharmuta

There needs to be serious reform to correct voting irregularities, like a simple ID check and maybe purple fingers like Iraq.

The problem here wasn't voting irregularities, it was certain lawyers.

Racer X Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:35:06am

re: #9 pat

The rule is simple. If there is a recount the Dems win. They have the nerve for open corruption. The GOP does not.

AND the GOP always gets blamed for not standing up to the corrupt Dems enough. So either way they lose.

MandyManners Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:35:25am

re: #6 Charles

Yeah - he's a pretty unstable character. Maybe he'll get in a fistfight with Michele Bachmann.

I'd pay money to see that.

MandyManners Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:35:48am

re: #12 shiplord kirel

By ACORN and its media allies. As we know, they have been accused of fraud in a number of states. That remains to be seen but there is no doubt at all that they have worked long and hard to undermine any measures, including voter ID, that would help to mitigate fraud.

Haven't there been convictions?

Sharmuta Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:36:06am

A inspirational poster staring Senator Al Franken

albusteve Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:36:11am

re: #2 Sharmuta

There needs to be serious reform to correct voting irregularities, like a simple ID check and maybe purple fingers like Iraq.

I blew my lid last night about this...there is no system to prevent this sort of third world crap, and there easily could be...I feel my vote is compromised and I will refuse to participate...I'm getting very close to disregarding the whole friggin thing...I am an army of one

DEZes Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:36:27am

re: #6 Charles

Yeah - he's a pretty unstable character. Maybe he'll get in a fistfight with Michele Bachmann.

Can I put 50 bucks on Michel?

shiplord kirel Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:36:27am

If Coleman had won by a few hundred votes, it would still be cause for alarm. Franken is a buffoon, it should not even have been close.

Racer X Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:36:32am

Oops.

elevenbravo1969 Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:36:43am

The perception (or the reality) that there is illegality in voter registration and/or voting in this country spells absolute DOOM for all of us.

wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:37:29am

Mr. Franken went ballistic. "What is this?" he asked, holding the little blue ball in his hands and seething. I moved on to other subjects, and not surprisingly, he lost control of the show. After I departed, he remained visibly perturbed. In fact, three hours later, a friend of mine observed him leaving the studio with the ball still in his hand as he snarled about it and my insouciance toward him.

quiet man Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:37:41am

He is a true liberal...one of the Air America types. A sad day when he got selected

shiplord kirel Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:37:54am

re: #19 MandyManners

Haven't there been convictions?

Individually, yes, but this has yet to be tied to the organization as a whole. There is also no doubt at all that those convicted were working to meet ACORN's partisan institutional objectives.

Racer X Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:37:59am

re: #23 shiplord kirel

If Coleman had won by a few hundred votes, it would still be cause for alarm. Franken is a buffoon, it should not even have been close.

Coleman blew it big time. I mean Al Franken? You lost to Al freakin' Franklin?

Fail.

Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:38:02am

The unfortunate lesson is that you don’t need to win the vote on Election Day as long as your lawyers are creative enough to have enough new or disqualified ballots counted after the fact.

Uh, Bush vs Gore.....FLA 2000? Hello? This is rhetoric of sore losers. Man up.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:38:28am

re: #20 Sharmuta

A inspirational poster staring Senator Al Franken

*rimshot* ! !

JCM Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:39:49am

re: #10 BlueCanuck

I wonder if you guys should switch to the Canadian style ballot. On a black field the names of the people running for election are printed in white, the mark is made in pen on a black circle. Simple to count and hard to declare invalid.

WA has fill in the circle also, but not white text on black. I like that.
I would also like to see accounting type procedures at precinct level.

First the number of ballots issued to a precinct has to be know. (In WA ballots where had out to precinct workers uncounted).
First step is to reconcile cast ballots to unused ballots to total ballots issued.
If they're is a discrepancy, sequester the ballots and resolve.

When a total number of valid ballots cast is verified start counting.
For each race: the number votes + under votes + over votes = totals ballots.

Only when a precincts ballots can meet these standards are they added to to state wide totals.

Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:39:54am

Franken, Bachman, Jesse Ventura.....What do they put in the water up there?

albusteve Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:40:32am

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Uh, Bush vs Gore.....FLA 2000? Hello? This is rhetoric of sore losers. Man up.

yes, submit...I get it

danshelb Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:40:32am

I really weep for America when jackarses like Franken get voted into the Senate. It's really only a matter of time before Warren Beatty, maybe Alec Baldwin, Clooney, DeCaprio, etc. are all "elected" officials.

Democracy was a good run while it lasted - makes Rome's 400+ years even more impressive.

SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:40:51am

Al Franken, United States Senator.

God
Help
Us
All.

Adrenalyn Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:41:22am

re: #17 Racer X

AND the GOP always gets blamed for not standing up to the corrupt Dems enough. So either way they lose.

but the GOP chooses to lose

they could stand up to the dems and media
and they do not

wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:42:20am

Sarah Palin due to give address 'about her future' at 3 pm.

IslandLibertarian Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:42:34am

Another piece of America stolen right out from under your noses.
Frankin-fruad is another slap in the face of America.
He is so incorrect.
Power to the Correct People!
(They don't steal elections!)

pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:42:37am

re: #20 Sharmuta

Just gave you a rimshot on that page over yonder too!

danshelb Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:42:57am

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Except in Bush v. Gore - Bush really did win the vote and Gore *almost* stole it. Although I do concede your point that this is "sore loser" talk.

How, with today's technology, can there still be voter fraud to the extent that dead people can vote, living people can vote multiple times, illegals can vote without ID, etc!

pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:44:03am

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Franken, Bachman, Jesse Ventura.....What do they put in the water up there?

Was it Minn. that some beer advertised as the Land of Sky Blue Waters?

IslandLibertarian Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:44:40am

re: #41 danshelb

ACLU, ACORN, Democrat controlled balloting.........
that's how.........

Adrenalyn Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:44:53am

re: #38 wahabicorridor

Sarah Palin due to give address 'about her future' at 3 pm.

I'll make a prediction
she'll be in a Burka by 2014

The Left Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:45:03am

re: #38 wahabicorridor

Sarah Palin due to give address 'about her future' at 3 pm.

God, you're kidding. Please. Where?

Even Krauthammer and Jonah Goldberg think Palin's best shot is staying in AK, keeping her head down, and working on being prepared for whatever she wants her political future to be.

opnion Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:45:26am

re: #41 danshelb

Except in Bush v. Gore - Bush really did win the vote and Gore *almost* stole it. Although I do concede your point that this is "sore loser" talk.

How, with today's technology, can there still be voter fraud to the extent that dead people can vote, living people can vote multiple times, illegals can vote without ID, etc!

There is a long & proud tradition of the dead voting in Cook Couny, Illinois.
There is no discrimination toward the life challenged

nyc redneck Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:46:15am

alfranken, if he behaves like half the obnoxious ass that he is, will turn many people away from the out of control liberal dem. party.
hopefully this jerk will serve as a wake up call for the voting public.

IslandLibertarian Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:46:16am

re: #42 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Was it Minn. that some beer advertised as the Land of Sky Blue Waters?

Well, Al certainly is a Hamm.......

Sharmuta Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:46:20am

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Franken, Bachman, Jesse Ventura.....What do they put in the water up there?

Fish.

wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:46:32am

re: #45 iceweasel

God, you're kidding. Please. Where?

Even Krauthammer and Jonah Goldberg think Palin's best shot is staying in AK, keeping her head down, and working on being prepared for whatever she wants her political future to be.

Fox says she will be in Wasilla. They speculate that she will announce she will not seek another term as Governor.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:46:50am

re: #49 Sharmuta

Fish.

Crap!

zelnaga Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:47:08am

How were the ballots being counted, anyway? If they were being hand counted, having a few hundred errors amongst millions upon millions of ballots doesn't seem all that bad. It wouldn't be a problem, either, if a candidate had won by a large margin, but when it's as close as this election was, it kinda is a problem.

Personally, I think voting machines are still the way to go. Diebold's implementation may have left something to be desired, but that doesn't mean the whole notion of a voting machine is a bad one.

The Left Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:47:21am

re: #50 wahabicorridor

Fox says she will be in Wasilla. They speculate that she will announce she will not seek another term as Governor.

Ahhh...that makes sense. Explains the announcement, too. I did read something the other day that suggested she might not seek another term.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:48:06am

re: #52 zelnaga

Read the WSJ editorial. It wasn't in the counting itself.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:48:21am

bbl

wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:48:37am

re: #53 iceweasel

hey iceweasel - or anybody else for that matter - when is the next election for Alaska Gov?

wiffersnapper Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:48:52am

Franken stole the election? Shocker

The Left Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:49:02am

re: #49 Sharmuta

Fish.

Heh. Reminds me of the old WC Fields quote, "I never drink water because of the disgusting things that fish do in it."

The Left Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:49:16am

re: #56 wahabicorridor

hey iceweasel - or anybody else for that matter - when is the next election for Alaska Gov?

2010, i think?

Syrah Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:49:59am

Shall start a pool on when Franken will throw a punch or start a fist-fight on the floor of the Senate?

I say between the start and close of the next midterm elections.

Sharmuta Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:50:04am

re: #51 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Crap!

You don't need to carp about it.

wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:50:05am

re: #58 iceweasel

Heh. Reminds me of the old WC Fields quote, "I never drink water because of the disgusting things that fish do in it."

The first time I snorkled I saw fish pooping. I nearly drowned myself laughing.

IslandLibertarian Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:50:15am

From now on I will be referring to the new senator as "Al Fraud".
Putz is good, ass-clown works too, village idiot is a bit dated.......
but "Al Fraud" says it all.
Now I'm going surfing.

PTTCP

DEZes Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:50:19am

re: #59 iceweasel

2010, i think?

2010 is correct

Syrah Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:50:37am

re: #49 Sharmuta

Fish.

Don't they know what fish do in water?

Yeeech.

capitalist piglet Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:51:05am

re: #42 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Was it Minn. that some beer advertised as the Land of Sky Blue Waters?

The beer was Hamm's...not sure where it was brewed, but I thought it was Wisconsin. I could be wrong.

kynna Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:51:20am

re: #6 Charles

Yeah - he's a pretty unstable character. Maybe he'll get in a fistfight with Michele Bachmann.

It's not unlikely. They're both pretty extreme and he does love to boast of his prowess in fisticuffs. It would be quite a spectacle and it wouldn't end well for him no matter what. If he hit her he'd be slammed for hitting a woman, and if he got beat ROFLMAO.

MandyManners Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:51:47am

re: #61 Sharmuta

You don't need to carp about it.

You think he should scale back his feelings?

albusteve Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:52:07am

nobody Barak Obama...POTUS
bad comic Al Franken...Senator

yawn...I'm losing interest...it's all snark

bulwrk Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:52:27am

re: #66 capitalist piglet

Saint Paul,Minnesota

nyc redneck Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:53:05am

we are going to have to win by such big margins that the thieves cannot make up the difference w/ shoe boxes of votes found in car trunks.

BlueCanuck Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:53:16am

Ooops, I made a small mistake on my description of ballots. Here's an image of what they look like.

Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:53:30am

(sorry, no reply button)
45 iceweasel 7/03/09 11:45:03 am

Even Krauthammer and Jonah Goldberg think Palin's best shot is staying in AK, keeping her head down, and working on being prepared for whatever she wants her political future to be.

Palin's rabid fans are becoming more of a problem. Goldberg posted some of his hatemail earlier. Even if she were to step out of the spotlight, her fans would continue to screw it up for her. I don't think she has any chance left at a national career.

mikalm Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:53:48am

re: #66 capitalist piglet

The beer was Hamm's...not sure where it was brewed, but I thought it was Wisconsin. I could be wrong.

Here's a great Hamm's commercial, where their bear mascot takes on Rocky Marciano in the ring:

Youtube Video

The Left Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:54:45am

re: #14 wahabicorridor

heh. My money's on Michele,

I would take that bet. Franken wrestled in HS and has threatened to wrestle people before....on the other hand, Michelle does have the crazy-eye. Hmmm.

Need a vegas handicapper here!

capitalist piglet Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:54:46am

re: #70 bulwrk

Saint Paul,Minnesota

Well, there you go. I just read that Miller bought them, and I'm pretty sure they're still in Milwaukee because my brother's ex-wife worked there...but, I don't drink beer, so what do I know?

Sharmuta Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:54:57am

re: #66 capitalist piglet

The beer was Hamm's...not sure where it was brewed, but I thought it was Wisconsin. I could be wrong.

Youtube Video

bulwrk Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:54:59am

I miss the bear.

mikalm Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:55:16am

And FTR, I agree with the Head Lizard and most of the other posters here that Franken is seriously wedged, and will probably disgrace himself in epic fashion during his term.

elevenbravo1969 Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:55:21am

re: #58 iceweasel

Heh. Reminds me of the old WC Fields quote, "I never drink water because of the disgusting things that fish do in it."

I believe Fields' exact quote was, "I don't drink water. Fish f*ck in it."

JCM Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:55:26am

re: #52 zelnaga

How were the ballots being counted, anyway? If they were being hand counted, having a few hundred errors amongst millions upon millions of ballots doesn't seem all that bad. It wouldn't be a problem, either, if a candidate had won by a large margin, but when it's as close as this election was, it kinda is a problem.

Personally, I think voting machines are still the way to go. Diebold's implementation may have left something to be desired, but that doesn't mean the whole notion of a voting machine is a bad one.

Machine voting has the entire issue of software / hardware security and verification. The larger issue is voting record.

With electronic voting we have no original record of what the voter did, only an electronic record in a data base. With a paper ballot we can go back and look at the original and recount the original. Not something record and stored by software which may be suspect itself.

ArchangelMichael Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:55:58am

WSJ: Franken Stole the Election

Tomorrow's headlines: Sky is Blue, Pope is Catholic, and Ice is cold.

Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:56:04am

Palin Announcement Forthcoming

The office of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin issued a press release today saying she will make an announcement from her home in Wasilla today at 11:00 a.m. local time (3:00 p.m. ET).

There was no indication as to the topic of the announcement.

May tips on BBQ moose for the holiday.

bulwrk Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:56:56am

re: #76 capitalist piglet

And Miller is now owned by a South African brewer.

albusteve Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:57:11am

re: #79 mikalm

And FTR, I agree with the Head Lizard and most of the other posters here that Franken is seriously wedged, and will probably disgrace himself in epic fashion during his term.

so?....name a liberal donk that hasn't....disgrace is relative

capitalist piglet Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:57:18am

re: #84 bulwrk

And Miller is now owned by a South African brewer.

Wow, really? Yikes.

ArchangelMichael Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:57:51am

re: #81 JCM

Machine voting has the entire issue of software / hardware security and verification. The larger issue is voting record.

With electronic voting we have no original record of what the voter did, only an electronic record in a data base. With a paper ballot we can go back and look at the original and recount the original. Not something record and stored by software which may be suspect itself.

Which could easily be remedied with voting machines that print paper receipts. But that wont fit the MSM narrative I on the subject I guess.

Syrah Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:59:20am

I wonder how long it will be before we see Franken and his outrages written and headlined about in the media with the "D" after his name left mysteriously missing and unmentioned.

Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:59:35am

Sharmuta, I'm on Comcast too. That might be the problem.

doppelganglander Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:00:03pm

re: #35 danshelb

I really weep for America when jackarses like Franken get voted into the Senate. It's really only a matter of time before Warren Beatty, maybe Alec Baldwin, Clooney, DeCaprio, etc. are all "elected" officials.

Democracy was a good run while it lasted - makes Rome's 400+ years even more impressive.

There is a move to draft Brad Pitt for mayor of New Orleans. Honestly, he couldn't be any more of a fool than Ray Nagin, so what the hell.

chedgeman Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:00:03pm

re: #6 Charles

No winners; just losers. By the way, is this part two of the Baby Sumatran Orangutan thread - that look captures how I felt when Franken was declared the winner. Sans spiked hair, sad to say.

_RememberTonyC Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:00:15pm

if the people of minnesota weren't so fucking stupid, this election would not have been close enough to steal. i blame the voters who elected the likes of ventura, bachmann, and certain unnamed others as well as franken.

thanks minnesota .... you're a bunch of morons.

Sharmuta Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:00:18pm

re: #76 capitalist piglet

"Minnesota" is Dakota for "sky tinted waters". It's believed "Wisconsin" is Chippewa for "Grassy Place".

The Left Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:00:23pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

(sorry, no reply button)
45 iceweasel 7/03/09 11:45:03 am

Palin's rabid fans are becoming more of a problem. Goldberg posted some of his hatemail earlier. Even if she were to step out of the spotlight, her fans would continue to screw it up for her. I don't think she has any chance left at a national career.

I hadn't seen Goldberg's hatemail-- I'm checking it out right now. I have to say I think his response is completely right:

If Sarah Palin follows the advice of readers like them, she's doomed on the national political stage. She'll make a great Joan of Arc for a certain segment of the public, but she'll never go beyond that. And I think that would be a shame. The upshot of a lot of e-mail is that she hasn't done a single thing wrong — at least nothing that warrants criticism. The idea that she's, in effect, done everything right, baffles me. Palin has lost a huge chunk of her popularity over the last six months. Some readers say that's because the media has been unfair to her. And that's true! The press has been unfair. But guess what? The press isn't going away and successful politicians learn to deal with the reality of liberal media bias. You don't get extra points or extra votes because the press slimes you. What Palin needs to do is figure out how to win back the people she lost, not elicit more cheers from the folks she already has. That's how politics works.

And this:

If Sarah Palin becomes nothing more than expression of populist resentments of a certain portion of the base she will lose the ability to persuade anybody who isn't already a diehard fan. That is not the route to success.

I agree with you. I think Palin's only chance left at a national career, quite frankly, is if she wants to run a talk show of some sort.

Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:00:31pm

All the problems or questionable results in Florida had Dems as Supervisor of Elections. I think I see a pattern.

albusteve Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:01:29pm

Glenn Beck for Senator!

victor_yugo Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:01:53pm

re: #90 doppelganglander

There is a move to draft Brad Pitt for mayor of New Orleans. Honestly, he couldn't be any more of a fool than Ray Nagin, so what the hell.

Never misunderestimate the Donks' capacity for foolishness.

wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:02:17pm

re: #75 iceweasel

....on the other hand, Michelle does have the crazy-eye. Hmmm.

Oh, hell yeah!

There's a lot about her positions I really like - but she always walks right off the cliff, it seems. It's like watching a trainwreck sometimes.

mikalm Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:02:32pm

re: #85 albusteve

so?....name a liberal donk that hasn't....disgrace is relative

I meant in the sense that Franken is obviously unbalanced, and will experience some sort of meltdown that will end his career. The man has zero experience as an elected official, and should never have pursued such a path. The crack about him fistfighting with Bachman isn't too far off the mark, actually; I can see him doing some sort of public, violent tantrum in the next six years that will make him a national laughingstock.

100

JCM Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:02:36pm

re: #87 ArchangelMichael

Which could easily be remedied with voting machines that print paper receipts. But that wont fit the MSM narrative I on the subject I guess.

That's an I idea that'll work and have thought about.

Vote electronically.
Print receipt.
Voter reviews the ballot.
The then submits the ballot.

The account style rules I posted above would still be used.

The printed receipts would be retained to compare to the electronic record and for use in recounts.

The other huge piece to the whole vote integrity thing is legal voters and one person one vote. That's where proof of citizen ship, photo ID etc come in.

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Syrah Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:02:44pm

re: #95 Cannadian Club Akbar

All the problems or questionable results in Florida had Dems as Supervisor of Elections. I think I see a pattern.

Same in WA. The only places with serious problems were the Uber Democrat strongholds like Seattle.

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pat Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:03:08pm

Franken disgrace himself with this bunch? The head of the black caucus thinks we have landed on Mars. Biden is so stupid that they have hidden him. Pelosi can't remember being briefed by the CIA about any thing. Harry Reid has made half a million dollars off of crooked land deals while in the Senate. Obama is absolutely clueless about economics, foreign policy, and was an adviser to ACORN. The House just passed a Bill that seems tailor made to destroy the American economy and called it a jobs bill. A jobs bill for anyone but Americans. Franken will fit in like a glove. The press will protect him like he was a Kennedy.

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albusteve Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:03:08pm

re: #95 Cannadian Club Akbar

All the problems or questionable results in Florida had Dems as Supervisor of Elections. I think I see a pattern.

there is a long and colorful history of democrat fraud and voter corruption...it is hardly a new phenom...it's part of the liberal institution

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capitalist piglet Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:03:49pm

re: #93 Sharmuta

"Minnesota" is Dakota for "sky tinted waters". It's believed "Wisconsin" is Chippewa for "Grassy Place".

I just read a Brett Favre joke (for those who don't know, he's probably going to the Vikings, and he throws a lot of INTs):

Did you hear Minnesota is going to change their state slogan from "Land of 10,000 lakes" to "Land of 10,000 interceptions?"

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BatGuano Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:03:53pm

re: #80 elevenbravo1969

I believe Fields' exact quote was, "I don't drink water. Fish f*ck in it."

Right you are Sir! Iceweasel is a lady.

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jaunte Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:04:34pm

re: #99 mikalm

I can see him doing some sort of public, violent tantrum in the next six years that will make him a national laughingstock.

Doesn't the Senate allow a few of those as a courtesy to members?

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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:05:08pm

re: #94 iceweasel

I think Palin's only chance left at a national career, quite frankly, is if she wants to run a talk show of some sort.

Hey, that's actually a damn fine idea. Kinda like a right wing Oprah.

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mikalm Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:05:36pm

re: #104 capitalist piglet

"Minnesota -- Land of Ten Thousand Lakes, and Ten Billion Mosquitos!"

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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:06:24pm

Well, he's in and we have to deal with it.

I choose alcohol.

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brookly red Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:06:25pm

re: #100 JCM

That's an I idea that'll work and have thought about.

Vote electronically.
Print receipt.
Voter reviews the ballot.
The then submits the ballot.

The account style rules I posted above would still be used.

The printed receipts would be retained to compare to the electronic record and for use in recounts.

The other huge piece to the whole vote integrity thing is legal voters and one person one vote. That's where proof of citizen ship, photo ID etc come in.

Sounds about right to me, and just for good measure we should make voter/election fraud a hanging offense.

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reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:07:04pm

re: #102 pat

Franken disgrace himself with this bunch? The head of the black caucus thinks we have landed on Mars. Biden is so stupid that they have hidden him. Pelosi can't remember being briefed by the CIA about any thing. Harry Reid has made half a million dollars off of crooked land deals while in the Senate. Obama is absolutely clueless about economics, foreign policy, and was an adviser to ACORN. The House just passed a Bill that seems tailor made to destroy the American economy and called it a jobs bill. A jobs bill for anyone but Americans. Franken will fit in like a glove. The press will protect him like he was a Kennedy.

And in Congress, there was a "moment of silence" for a pedophile.
Strange goings on indeed.

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albusteve Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:07:10pm

re: #99 mikalm

I meant in the sense that Franken is obviously unbalanced, and will experience some sort of meltdown that will end his career. The man has zero experience as an elected official, and should never have pursued such a path. The crack about him fistfighting with Bachman isn't too far off the mark, actually; I can see him doing some sort of public, violent tantrum in the next six years that will make him a national laughingstock.

point taken...OTOH BO is a laughingstock to millions of voters and should never have even been nominated, let alone elected....rampant insanity and all bets are off the table...that's I find it amusing people are predicting no future for Palin....it's laughable to think not

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chedgeman Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:07:33pm

re: #79 mikalm

Even if Franken does screw up, how will we know? He's not a Republican so the press won't cover it.

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bulwrk Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:07:34pm

re: #108 mikalm

Its the state bird.

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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:08:06pm

People to this day tell me that Bush stole Florida in 2000 ( BDS ) so I ask them to explain the criteria for a recount. Then I ask about Florida's law for certification of a presidential election. They look at me and say, Bush sucked, spending, Iraq, blah, blah, blah.

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wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:08:38pm

re: #102 pat

That was a great rant!

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capitalist piglet Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:09:15pm

My prediction: Franken will punch Bachmann, she'll hit back. She'll have to resign her seat, he won't.

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victor_yugo Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:09:21pm

re: #99 mikalm

I can see him doing some sort of public, violent tantrum in the next six years that will make him a national laughingstock.

So, except for having different skin color, and different gender, he can simply be "Cynthia McKinney, Jr."

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Sharmuta Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:10:48pm

Killgore- I'm calling them. Will keep you posted. They're busy- I'm waiting for a rep, so maybe this is the issue.

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HelloDare Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:10:56pm

re: #117 capitalist piglet

My prediction: Franken will punch Bachmann, she'll hit back. She'll have to resign her seat, he won't.

I agree. Except Franken has a background in wrestling, not boxing. Probably won't punch her. Take her down somehow.

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The Left Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:11:17pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Hey, that's actually a damn fine idea. Kinda like a right wing Oprah.

Yes, I'm not kidding at all. I think she'd excel at it and she'd rake in the dough. Not so much a right wing Oprah but more of a host of a right-wing The View. Don't you think?

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JCM Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:11:22pm

re: #101 Syrah

Same in WA. The only places with serious problems were the Uber Democrat strongholds like Seattle.

I'd have to go dig it out, buried 5 year stuff as it is. But Stefan Sharkansky at Sound Politics, (who won a $250,000 in FIOA violations over the election) did yeomans work in blowing the election irregularities open.

He did an analysis of rejected to accepted questionable ballot rates.
Predominately (R) precincts had a consistently higher rejection rate.
Predominately (D) precincts had a consistently higher acceptance rate.
The rates where way beyond random.

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Last Mohican Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:11:23pm

re: #27 quiet man

He is a true liberal...one of the Air America types. A sad day when he got selected

Fortunately, that day has not yet come.

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danshelb Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:11:37pm

re: #43 IslandLibertarian

True - I wasn't disputing the nuts and bolts of the "hows" merely that there should not be any technical or logistical reasons that there is still fraud.

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albusteve Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:11:47pm

re: #117 capitalist piglet

My prediction: Franken will punch Bachmann, she'll hit back. She'll have to resign her seat, he won't.

my prediction...Franken will be busted with an oz of coke and be rewarded with a chair on the Select Committee on Ethics

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HelloDare Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:12:41pm

GOP sources: Palin not running for re-election as governor. Will have a live announcement in a few minutes.

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Last Mohican Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:12:47pm

re: #123 Last Mohican

Fortunately, that day has not yet come.

Oops, I thought you said "a said day when he got elected." That certainly didn't happen.

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The Left Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:12:47pm

re: #105 BatGuano

Right you are Sir! Iceweasel is a lady.

I updinged you Sir, but alas, I'm not that much of a lady. :(

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mikalm Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:13:09pm

re: #118 victor_yugo

So, except for having different skin color, and different gender, he can simply be "Cynthia McKinney, Jr."

He's got twice her brains, and three times her looniness.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:14:10pm

I think this is a lefty site so take with a grain of salt....
Tea Party Movement Loses Steam

In the run-up to the first round of Tea Parties, conservative activists were aided enormously by coverage from Fox News and the endorsements of many Republican stars. Fox News ran dozens of segments about the events, dispatching five of its stars — Sean Hannity, Greta Van Susteren, John Gibson, Glenn Beck, and Neil Cavuto — across the country to cover them live. Newt Gingrich endorsed the events, speaking at a Tea Party in Times Square and dispatching talking points to protesters through his American Solutions organization. Dozens of Republican members of Congress spoke at the events.
...
But the collaboration between the official Republican establishment and the Tea Parties has not lasted into June. The RNC has no plans to get involved with any Tea Parties. A spokesman for Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio), who jaunted around northern California to attend several Tea Parties, said that his holiday plans were private but would probably not include Tea Parties. Gingrich will not attend any of the Tea Parties, although he recorded video messages for events in Birmingham and Nashville “at the request of the respective organizers,” according to spokesman Dan Kotman.

Media coverage has also gotten a little bit more scarce. Coverage on Fox News has largely been limited to interviews with Tea Party organizers on the network’s morning shows. While sources at Fox would not discuss their plans for covering the weekend events, they confirmed that no anchors would be attending and that the attendance and news value of the events looked to be lower than that of the April rallies.

Ron Paul (And the Birch Society) Seem to have no trouble getting a speaking gig at the Tea Parties....

Keynote speaker Congressman Ron Paul addressed a sea of about 200 participants clad in red, white and blue and many clutching American flags. He advocated for an end to the income tax, the Federal Reserve and ousting of federal government from citizens personal lives.
"Our goal should be consistently one and that is to promote liberty," the Republican from Surfside Beach said. "We are ripe for revolution."

The event was organized by the Victoria County Young Republicans with the help of other community groups.
....
Fellow speakers echoed the cry for smaller government and reclaiming the country.

"If you go away with nothing else, go away with this - this is a constitutional Republic, this is not a Democracy," said Norlene Ckodre, president of the John Birch Society of Victoria. "We must take back our nation."

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victor_yugo Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:14:29pm

re: #129 mikalm

He's got twice her brains, and three times her looniness.

As far as brains go, anything times zero is still zero.

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danshelb Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:14:30pm

re: #129 mikalm

3x her looniness! Wow - that's pretty damn looney!

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albusteve Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:15:30pm

re: #132 danshelb

3x her looniness! Wow - that's pretty damn looney!

the rare Triloony....

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mikalm Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:17:14pm

re: #132 danshelb

3x her looniness! Wow - that's pretty damn looney!

I can't go into the details here, but I know a couple of people (both liberal Democrats) who've dealt with him in very different contexts, and they both say the guy's crazier than a s**thouse rat.

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bulwrk Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:18:00pm

re: #129 mikalm

He's got twice her brains, and three times her looniness.

Its a proven fact that congress destroys gray matter,in two years he'll be just as stupid as she is.

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JCM Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:18:04pm

re: #110 brookly red

Sounds about right to me, and just for good measure we should make voter/election fraud a hanging offense.

Bottom line.

Voting integrity is foundational to the Republic.
It's fairly simple but hard and requires discipline and determination.
1) Only legal voters.
2) Only legal votes.
3) Legal accurate counts.

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BatGuano Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:18:14pm

re: #128 iceweasel

I updinged you Sir, but alas, I'm not that much of a lady. :(

I will be the judge of that.

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Randall Gross Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:19:06pm

re: #23 shiplord kirel

If Coleman had won by a few hundred votes, it would still be cause for alarm. Franken is a buffoon, it should not even have been close.

What do you expect from a state where pickled beets are served as appetizers?

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Wendya Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:19:57pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

(sorry, no reply button)
45 iceweasel 7/03/09 11:45:03 am

Palin's rabid fans are becoming more of a problem. Goldberg posted some of his hatemail earlier. Even if she were to step out of the spotlight, her fans would continue to screw it up for her. I don't think she has any chance left at a national career.

If Obama can be elected with zero executive experience and trite slogans, anything is possible.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:20:29pm

re: #121 iceweasel

From a marketing standpoint I think a red state Martha Stewart thing would work better. Redneck chique could potentially become a trend and the show could always move to the lifestyle network if the ratings start to sag.

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_RememberTonyC Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:20:40pm

re: #138 Thanos

What do you expect from a state where pickled beets are served as appetizers?

and where lutefisk is considered yummy

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Wendya Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:20:56pm

re: #125 albusteve

my prediction...Franken will be busted with an oz of coke and be rewarded with a chair on the Select Committee on Ethics

Better yet... he'll get a seat on the intelligence committee.

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albusteve Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:21:10pm

re: #136 JCM

Bottom line.

Voting integrity is foundational to the Republic.
It's fairly simple but hard and requires discipline and determination.
1) Only legal voters.
2) Only legal votes.
3) Legal accurate counts.

in reply...House, Senate, POTUS...not gonna happen....the only people that can change the system are the very ones that benefit from it...same with term limits...you knew that tho

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albusteve Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:22:22pm

re: #138 Thanos

What do you expect from a state where pickled beets are served as appetizers?

heh...jolly good question

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Stuart Leviton Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:23:25pm

re: #93 Sharmuta

"Minnesota" is Dakota for "sky tinted waters". It's believed "Wisconsin" is Chippewa for "Grassy Place".

When I was growing up, I heard that Chicago means "stinky onion field".
Though what Chicago means in Italian is interesting.

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sagehen Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:24:25pm

re: #35 danshelb

I really weep for America when jackarses like Franken get voted into the Senate. It's really only a matter of time before Warren Beatty, maybe Alec Baldwin, Clooney, DeCaprio, etc. are all "elected" officials.

I get really tired of hearing endless complaints and/or fears about actors who might run for office -- when those complaints come from the party that ran Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sonny Bono, Fred Thompson, Fred Grandy, Clint Eastwood....

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JCM Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:24:35pm

re: #143 albusteve

in reply...House, Senate, POTUS...not gonna happen....the only people that can change the system are the very ones that benefit from it...same with term limits...you knew that tho

There's two paths.
When enough of the electorate loses confidence in the integrity of the ballot box.

Bad things start to happen.

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albusteve Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:27:52pm

re: #146 sagehen

I get really tired of hearing endless complaints and/or fears about actors who might run for office -- when those complaints come from the party that ran Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sonny Bono, Fred Thompson, Fred Grandy, Clint Eastwood....

abject failures...Eastwood was a mayor of a rinky dink tourist town...Reagan was far more than an actor obviously...not just some cad with an opinion

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albusteve Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:29:32pm

re: #147 JCM

There's two paths.
When enough of the electorate loses confidence in the integrity of the ballot box.

Bad things start to happen.

fraud needs more exposure....I hate the MSM
"nice guys finish last"

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JCM Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:33:53pm

re: #149 albusteve

fraud needs more exposure....I hate the MSM
"nice guys finish last"

The (R)s in WA completely screwed the pooch in their challenge.
They went after fraudulent ballots instead of the systemic abuses.

With a secret ballot you can't point to "A" ballot and say it was fraudulent.

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BatGuano Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:34:00pm

Good afternoon, everyone. I must return to work in a few hours.

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JCM Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:36:34pm

re: #151 BatGuano

Good afternoon, everyone. I must return to work in a few hours.

Iz can haz Guido vizts youse bozz if youse likez?

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SecondComing Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:43:43pm

Powell airs doubts on Obama agenda

Mr. King prompted Mr. Powell's comments by showing him video archive footage of Mr. Powell's comments at the 1996 Republican Convention in San Diego, where Mr. Powell talked about his opposition to big government.

"The federal government has become too large and too intrusive in our lives," Mr. Powell said then. "We can no longer afford solutions to our problems that result in more entitlements, higher taxes to pay for them, more bureaucracy to run them, and fewer results to show for it."

Mr. Powell said that now that he still believes what he said then, but that he would put it in different terms now.

You know, I just don't want to hear from this guy anymore. He got what he wanted and is now complaining about it. He says he still believes what he believed back then but voted for a guy who was opening saying he was going to do the opposite. Either he wasn't listening, didn't care because he was a black guy, or just choose the winning horse to stay in the spotlight and Washington's good graces.

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Taqyia2Me Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:45:58pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Uh, Bush vs Gore.....FLA 2000? Hello? This is rhetoric of sore losers. Man up.

I especially love the way yhe overseas absentee milary personnel ballots were disallowed. Not because they weren't cast in full accordance with regulations, but because the postal service failed to get them stateside in a timely manner.

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JCM Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:47:23pm

re: #153 SecondComing

Powell airs doubts on Obama agenda

You know, I just don't want to hear from this guy anymore. He got what he wanted and is now complaining about it. He says he still believes what he believed back then but voted for a guy who was opening saying he was going to do the opposite. Either he wasn't listening, didn't care because he was a black guy, or just choose the winning horse to stay in the spotlight and Washington's good graces.

CYA we all knew Obama's agenda.
Powell endorse him and therefore the agenda.

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haakondahl Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:09:51pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Uh, Bush vs Gore.....FLA 2000? Hello? This is rhetoric of sore losers. Man up.

KT, you're becoming little more than a very informative troll. At some point, the King just shoots the damned Jester, you know?

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haakondahl Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:14:45pm

re: #146 sagehen

I get really tired of hearing endless complaints and/or fears about actors who might run for office -- when those complaints come from the party that ran Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sonny Bono, Fred Thompson, Fred Grandy, Clint Eastwood....

Actually, danshelb's comment is directed toward jackasses. DiCaprio, Clooney*, Beatty, Baldwin and others are all flaming lefties and have also been mooted as potential candidates.
You can pack your really tiredness and take it somewhere else at any time.

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The Other Les Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:24:06pm

It's time we stop pretending that the Democratic Party is anything other than a criminal gang.

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Oldbluesboy Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:40:15pm

I have seen Franken in person. He is a foul mouthed clown and should fit in nicely on Capitol Hill, and the rest of East Chicago.

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dhg4 Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:45:59pm

Before the Gore/ Bush election went to the courts, Ryan Lizza wrote a very revealing article at TNR called Overtime. (I believe it was the Nov 28, 2000 edition.) The gist of Lizza's argument was that Gore would win because Democrats had better election lawyers. The arrogance of the article was astounding and it made the cries of foul when the Supreme Court put an end to the shenanigans of Florida's high court seem so hollow.

Franken vs. Coleman is a perfect example of what usually happens.

BTW, Franken will be the 4th consecutive Jew to hold that Senate seat. Boschwitz, Wellstone, and Coleman are/were all also Jewish. More the sort of stat you'd expect to see in New York or New Jersey.

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odorlesspaintthinner Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:14:11pm

Davis was the funny one.

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harrisonp Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:22:34pm

1) how is a 5-0 supreme court verdict controversial?

2) voter fraud -- anyone been indicted yet?

3) given that some precincts in minn. may have been in the hole for franken, what's preferable: centralized (iran) voting systems or decentralized (minn) voting systems?

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ladycatnip Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:44:14pm

#139 Wendya

If Obama can be elected with zero executive experience and trite slogans, anything is possible.

Updings for that! America's collective IQ plummeted by electing a president based on one-word slogans.

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Joan Not of Arc Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:03:57pm

Please help me with this: Al Franken, who, while writing for SNL, thought up of a skit disparaging women with breast cancer, jumped on a man in a fit of rage and tried to choke him. Why was he elected?

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tjseagrove Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:44:39pm

re: #5 MandyManners

Haven't ID checks been called "racist"?

In Mexico you are required to have a special photo id in order to vote in elections. A friend who is from Mexico (legally here) showed it to me and I have a scrubbed copy of it to show friends.

It is not racist to require a photo id and calling is racist is a method of the left to divert attention away from the real issue. Don't let them change the subject on you.

Funny, it seems that illegals from Mexico are the ones we are supposed to be racist against in these matters when it their own country they are required to have a photo id to vote.

Go figure...

Tom

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Clubsec Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:03:59pm

Didn't read all previous comments so I apologize if someone has already made this observation: It was Uncle Joe Stalin who made the very factual statement: 'It doesn't matter how the votes are made it matters who counts them.' So true.
As for determining a winner in a political contest like this, I suggest we go back to dueling. You know, pistols at ten paces.
Perfect solution. Just think about it. After each close contest we end up with ONE HALF of the politicans we had prior to the election.
I know some of you will think of the diminishing series that will never vanish. 1, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, etc.
But I'd be better than what we have now. Look around you, the politicians are MULTIPLYING.

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Clubsec Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:30:26pm

Lying fingers.
'But it would be better than what se have now. ... '

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Clubsec Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:31:43pm

' ... we have now. ' sheesh!

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Clubsec Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:34:02pm

and 102 Pat ...
"The press will protect him like he was a Kennedy." Excellent.
That's going in my list of comparative phrases.

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VioletTiger Fri, Jul 3, 2009 7:24:44pm

re: #20 Sharmuta

A inspirational poster staring Senator Al Franken

I gave you 5 stars!

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Alone in NY Fri, Jul 3, 2009 8:48:43pm

Coming from NY, I am used to voters behaving like sheep. Then I was amazed by the fawning acceptance of Obama when he ran for President...but by electing Al Franken to the United States Senate, the people of Minnesota have gone for the record.

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The Other Les Fri, Jul 3, 2009 10:03:30pm

re: #66 capitalist piglet

The beer was Hamm's...not sure where it was brewed, but I thought it was Wisconsin. I could be wrong.

St. Paul, Minnesota. The buildings of the old brewery are still standing NE of the downtown area.

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Canoe Train Sat, Jul 4, 2009 6:29:01am

Why does this not surprise me one iota ?

*shaking head in dismay and disappointment *

I worry for my country.

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Gang of One Sat, Jul 4, 2009 6:45:54am

re: #165 tjseagrove

In Mexico you are required to have a special photo id in order to vote in elections. A friend who is from Mexico (legally here) showed it to me and I have a scrubbed copy of it to show friends.

It is not racist to require a photo id and calling is racist is a method of the left to divert attention away from the real issue. Don't let them change the subject on you.

Funny, it seems that illegals from Mexico are the ones we are supposed to be racist against in these matters when it their own country they are required to have a photo id to vote.

Go figure...

Tom

IIRC, it's called a Credencial and is issued by the IFE, Instituto Federal de Eleciones. It carries your photo, your thumbprint and your RFC, Registro Federal de Causantes, it's sort of like a SocSec number. At the polling place, you fill out your paper ballot [don't know if the recent presidential election was still a paper ballot], stick it in the box marked for the party of your candidate, and get your thumb drenched in an indelible brown ink that remains for days and days. Maybe we SHOULD try something similar.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jul 4, 2009 12:19:55pm

Had to buy some tape yesterday. Did not buy Scotch tape. Purposefully.

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The 1SG Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:12:13pm

And we thought the Hondurans were having troubles.

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scarshapedstar Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:56:21am

re: #1 MandyManners