Shocka: Palin Resigns As Alaska Governor

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Politics • Fri Jul 3, 2009 at 12:34 pm PDT • Views: 1,210

Initial reports were that Sarah Palin was planning not to run for re-election, but in a surprise move today she announced she’s resigning as Governor of Alaska.

ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Gov. Sarah Palin will resign her office in a few weeks, she said during a news conference at her Wasilla home Friday morning.

Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell will be inaugurated at the Governor’s Picnic at Pionner Park in Fairbanks on Saturday, July 25, Palin said.

There was no immediate word as to why she will resign, though speculation has been rampant that the former vice presidential candidate is gearing up for a run at the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.

Palin made the announcement flanked by Parnell and most, if not all, of her cabinet.

Hmm. This is a pretty standard way to downplay something and keep it out of the news cycle as much as possible — release it late Friday on a long weekend.

UPDATE at 7/3/09 2:21:58 pm:

MSNBC video of Palin’s announcement:

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1 McJenny50  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:35:31pm

Foz just said that she is turning over the reins to the Lt. Gov.

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:35:52pm

I am confused, and hope there is nothing bad at the back of this.

3 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:36:08pm

next stop Argentina?

4 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:38:02pm

I'm wondering if there's more to this than the 2012 election.

5 jcm  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:38:03pm

Bit early to resign for '12.

6 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:38:16pm

re: #2 EmmmieG

I am confused, and hope there is nothing bad at the back of this.

With the corruptocrats gunning for her and the prospect of endless and fruitless investigations, it may be a smart move. For whatever reason, the left is trying to destroy her so she can't position for a move in 2012. As well all know with the left, the truth is irrelevant as long as you can get politicians on record smearing their opponent.

7 yochanan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:38:31pm

very odd indeed.

8 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:38:51pm

bad move...she has to explain this and soon

9 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:39:00pm

family issues, perhaps?

10 McJenny50  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:39:26pm

Lt. Gov taking over at the end of the month

11 pink freud  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:39:40pm

I predict no 2012 for her, either. Something big behind the scenes.

12 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:39:56pm

re: #5 jcm

Bit early to resign for '12.

Speculating here but it's also early for a senate run in '10. If either was the case I don't think she would resign.

13 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:39:57pm

maybe she's just declaring her personal independence?

14 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:39:59pm

This is bad for Palin. Quitting 18 months out, after we just savaged Sanford for leaving 4 days without his staff knowing where he was... not good.

15 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:40:12pm

I was always a Palin supporter. I never related to the high-status feminists of the East Coast. I didn't attend an Ivy league school; I had to work my way through with scholarships and jobs. I can shoot a gun; I'm very comfortable in the outdoors. I even have five kids.

I always felt that she was a target because she was such a success, but she didn't do what the feminists told us we had to do to succeed.

16 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:40:14pm

Maybe gearing up for the 2010 mid-term elections?

17 jones  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:40:41pm

re: #4 Charles

Yep, it makes no sense to not stick out the term at least.

18 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:40:46pm

re: #4 Charles

I'm wondering if there's more to this than the 2012 election.

Me too, but on the other hand few who don't live there understand the extreme burden of getting to and from Alaska. If she's down here campaigning even a bit she can't do an effective job as Gov.

My last trip I spent 36 hours in the same clothes on the return leg due to one canceled flight out of Fbx.

19 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:41:08pm

Personally? I think she's sick of all the crap that's been thrown at her and her family. She's probably going to just take the time and be a mother to all her kids. At least I hope that's the thoughts behind this resignation.

20 Reluctant Democrat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:41:24pm

Whoa! This does not look good.

I hope all is well with her and her family.

21 jcm  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:42:07pm

re: #12 Gus 802

Speculating here but it's also early for a senate run in '10. If either was the case I don't think she would resign.

Something's up...
Not '12.
Maybe Senate run for '10 but early for that.
She ran for veep while in office.

22 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:42:34pm

re: #4 Charles

I'm wondering if there's more to this than the 2012 election.

I think we all are.

23 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:42:39pm

she should run for the senate. i hope that's what she is up to.

24 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:42:58pm

Pretty standard way to downplay something -- release it late Friday on a long weekend.

25 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:43:01pm

re: #4 Charles

I'm wondering if there's more to this than the 2012 election.

So am I. It's worth noting that an AK blogger just raised enough money to get access to some documents (AK charges for documents that are available under the FOIA) that the blogger suspected showed some ethics violations. (By 'just' i mean, as in this week)

She's faced a lot of ethics complaints, none of which were proven. Another one looming on the horizon that she wants to circumvent?

/yes, I'm speculating, but it seems odd she wouldn't finish 2010 out.

26 broomer  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:43:27pm

re: #19 BlueCanuck

Personally? I think she's sick of all the crap that's been thrown at her and her family. She's probably going to just take the time and be a mother to all her kids. At least I hope that's the thoughts behind this resignation.

I upding you because I think that's exactly what happened.

This is exactly why we have idiots in public office. No one else wants to deal with this s#1t.

27 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:43:28pm

She has her reasons. And I'm sure the MSM will be camped in front of her house until they Get THE ANSWER while we're being fucked back in DC with barely a mention.

/Remember what Rahm says...

28 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:43:40pm

Sarah Crockett..."you can all go to hell, I'm going to Alaska!"

29 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:44:11pm

re: #21 jcm

Something's up...
Not '12.
Maybe Senate run for '10 but early for that.
She ran for veep while in office.

Will have to wait to hear her reasons. Transcripts, video, etc. Stepping down is not a good political move so she must have other reasons, IMO.

30 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:44:12pm

And the GOP implosion continues.

31 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:44:30pm

re: #23 nyc redneck

she should run for the senate. i hope that's what she is up to.

said that last year myself...if she has any designs on the POTUS that's the path to take

32 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:44:49pm

re: #24 Charles

Pretty standard way to downplay something -- release it late Friday on a long weekend.

true dat' but if she was running from something, she'd be gone asap, not hanging on for another 4 weeks.

33 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:45:02pm

re: #8 albusteve

bad move...she has to explain this and soon

What if it's because she's trying to protect her family from the relentless onslaught of attacks by liberals?

I wouldn't blame her.

And isn't this just like the media? Spend months choking someone, then gleefully announce they're dead, like they had nothing to do with it.

34 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:45:17pm

re: #27 SasquatchOnSteroids

She has her reasons. And I'm sure the MSM will be camped in front of her house until they Get THE ANSWER THEY WANT while we're being fucked back in DC with barely a mention.

/Remember what Rahm says...

Fixed. Remember, the truth doesn't mean shit to the MSM.

35 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:45:22pm

Dam they release this in the middle of a Yankee game

36 hazzyday  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:45:48pm

I'm not worried. I'll support her if she runs for President.

If a republican politician feels the needs to be unfaithful and have affairs while in office they should just become a democrat. If a republican is a pedophile. Just become a democrat. More tolerance there for that sort of thing. I'm ok with keeping the alcoholics, but the Dems have a lock on that also.

37 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:45:52pm

GOP = making Democrats look reasonable for over two years now.

38 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:46:00pm
39 brookly red  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:46:09pm

re: #30 Racer X

And the GOP implosion continues.

Hmmm, 3rd party bid?

40 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:46:14pm

re: #33 capitalist piglet

What if it's because she's trying to protect her family from the relentless onslaught of attacks by liberals?

I wouldn't blame her.

And isn't this just like the media? Spend months choking someone, then gleefully announce they're dead, like they had nothing to do with it.

bad move politically I should have said

41 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:46:28pm

re: #37 Racer X

GOP = making Democrats look reasonable for over two years now.

I don't buy that

42 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:46:47pm

I don't know the reasons for the resignation be they private or because she will run for 2012.
I wish for her and her family all the best.

43 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:46:53pm

re: #24 Charles

Pretty standard way to downplay something -- release it late Friday on a long weekend.

It's the Friday Night News Dump... dump news on a Friday, and hope it escapes the news cycle. SOP for politicians and media saavy types hoping to avoid scrutiny. Doesn't always seem to work out as planned though..

44 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:46:59pm

I'll bet she actually is going to take a little time and go hiking.

(This is when you hike in Alaska. Summer.)*

*The four seasons of Alaska are: Almost winter, Winter, Still Winter, and Construction.

45 pink freud  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:47:06pm

re: #41 Nevergiveup

I don't buy that

Ditto.

46 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:47:19pm

re: #34 victor_yugo

Fixed. Remember, the truth doesn't mean shit to the MSM.

have your scenarios on my desk by 3pm...we'll get this sorted out!

47 Kulhwch  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:47:38pm

I hope it's the run for 2012.  I'd hate to think it was something bad.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Meanwhile, a little OT: today's slam at Barry:

"This is how I feel -- if you want to see the Pittsburgh Steelers, invite us when we don't win the Super Bowl. As far as I'm concerned, he would've invited Arizona if they had won."

James Harrison of the Pittsburgh Steelers, on his decision to skip a White House visit with his team.

}:)     [Now who'd've ever thought that he'd stand up to Barry?]

48 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:48:41pm

Personal opinion--if the MSM put as much energy into finding the dirt on the D's as they do the R's, we could dedicate one whole channel to congressional scandals.

49 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:49:35pm

re: #25 iceweasel

So am I. It's worth noting that an AK blogger just raised enough money to get access to some documents (AK charges for documents that are available under the FOIA) that the blogger suspected showed some ethics violations. (By 'just' i mean, as in this week)

She's faced a lot of ethics complaints, none of which were proven. Another one looming on the horizon that she wants to circumvent?

/yes, I'm speculating, but it seems odd she wouldn't finish 2010 out.

Would that be this scumbag, who started the whole photoshop Trig phenomenon?

[Link: www.divasblueoasis.com...]

50 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:49:40pm

re: #24 Charles

Pretty standard way to downplay something -- release it late Friday on a long weekend.

Except for the fact that she's a sitting governor and Sarah Palin, to boot. No way this one wasn't going into overdrive.

At least it won't be all Michael Jackson all the time now.

/small blessings

51 NoWhereAlaska  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:49:43pm

Not running for reelection would have been a good move if she planned on running for the White House. But resigning is not a good move. I believe her future in national politics is all but dead!

52 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:50:01pm

when does moose season open?...anybody?

53 yochanan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:50:09pm

well if berry screws up amerikkka and turns it into the U.S.S.A. then maybe the ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY will look good after all.

/// need I? more than a little sarcasm

54 NoWhereAlaska  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:50:34pm

re: #52 albusteve

Depends usual September 15th.

55 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:51:03pm

What could be bad news for Palin? After all she has already been called:

1) cruel to Animals
2) claiming her daughters baby is hers
3) being stupid
4) being selfish
5) having affairs
6) being a bad mother
7) Getting her son in the Army because he was about to charge with selling drugs
8) What have I missed?

G-D bless her and I wish her well in the future, what ever that may be.

56 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:51:12pm

re: #47 Kulhwch

I hope it's the run for 2012.  I'd hate to think it was something bad.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Meanwhile, a little OT: today's slam at Barry:

}:)     [Now who'd've ever thought that he'd stand up to Barry?]

As far as I'm concerned, he would've invited Arizona if they had won."

Well, No Shit Sherlock. What a dunce.

57 brookly red  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:51:21pm

re: #51 NoWhereAlaska

Not running for reelection would have been a good move if she planned on running for the White House. But resigning is not a good move. I believe her future in national politics is all but dead!

Didn't Romney quit 2 years out?

58 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:51:34pm

re: #41 Nevergiveup

I don't buy that

Sorry. I'm just really disenchanted with the GOP lately.
McCain? Yawn.
Huckabee? Yikes
Sanford? Yippee!
Palin? - ?

59 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:51:44pm

Good luck Sarah.

60 pink freud  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:51:48pm

re: #55 Nevergiveup

Health issues.

61 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:52:29pm

re: #51 NoWhereAlaska

Not running for reelection would have been a good move if she planned on running for the White House. But resigning is not a good move. I believe her future in national politics is all but dead!

I believe she does not give a shit...national politics is a black hole that makes vampires out of reasonable people...

62 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:52:55pm

re: #58 Racer X

Sorry. I'm just really disenchanted with the GOP lately.
McCain? Yawn.
Huckabee? Yikes
Sanford? Yippee!
Palin? - ?

And your just thrilled with Obama, Kennedy, Pelosi, Frank, Franken, and The putz from nevada?

63 Bagua  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:52:59pm

One wonders why any normal, sensible person would wish to remain in politics.

Palin has appears to be a sensible person.

Like many she enjoyed it when when she was effective and treated in a civil manner, what normal person could tolerate the abuse she and her family have been subject to since her nomination?

64 sagehen  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:53:48pm

re: #63 Bagua


Like many she enjoyed it when when she was effective and treated in a civil manner, what normal person could tolerate the abuse she and her family have been subject to since her nomination?

So you're saying she's not tough enough for the big leagues?

65 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:54:09pm

re: #2 EmmmieG

I am confused, and hope there is nothing bad at the back of this.

this is odd, and very very confusing.

66 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:54:27pm

re: #58 Racer X

Sorry. I'm just really disenchanted with the GOP lately.
McCain? Yawn.
Huckabee? Yikes
Sanford? Yippee!
Palin? - ?

Obama - yikes
Biden - yikes
Reid - yikes
Pelosi - yikes
Boxer - yikes
Franken - yikes
Durbin - yikes
Corzine - yikes
Franks - yikes
Dodd - yikes

//Just sayin'.

67 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:55:21pm

re: #55 Nevergiveup

What could be bad news for Palin? After all she has already been called:

1) cruel to Animals
2) claiming her daughters baby is hers
3) being stupid
4) being selfish
5) having affairs
6) being a bad mother
7) Getting her son in the Army because he was about to charge with selling drugs
8) What have I missed?

G-D bless her and I wish her well in the future, what ever that may be.

Crazy from post-partum depression.

68 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:55:23pm

re: #64 sagehen

So you're saying she's not tough enough for the big leagues?

stupid question

69 vxbush  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:55:28pm

It may be that she has decided that taking care of Trigg and giving him the help he needs takes priority over being a governor. But if that's the case, why wouldn't she say so?

70 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:55:46pm

re: #46 albusteve

have your scenarios on my desk by 3pm...we'll get this sorted out!

Well, it's almost 4:00pm here, so you're a little late, but here goes:

someone's ill
she's ill (possibly peri-menopausal)
she's gearing up for 2010 congressional elections
she's going to work full-time for the RNC
someone has threatened her
having two small children in the household is too much for a gov
Todd told her to leave the office or he'd leave her

All wild speculation, of course.

71 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:55:48pm

re: #62 Nevergiveup

And your just thrilled with Obama, Kennedy, Pelosi, Frank, Franken, and The putz from nevada?

Heh.

No, but it is like picking between a slow death from poison or being hanged.

Conservatives need a good strong leader.

*looks around*

*still looking*

72 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:55:53pm

re: #48 EmmmieG

Personal opinion--if the MSM put as much energy into finding the dirt on the D's as they do the R's, we could dedicate one whole channel to congressional scandals.

Yes, we could.

73 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:56:01pm

re: #65 reine.de.tout

this is odd, and very very confusing.

Maybe just maybe she is being honest and wants to run for national office and can't devote the time to Alaska that is required. There are some honest people. Personally I don't think she will get the Nomination, but I still like her, and think she has been treated more unfairly than any candidate I ever saw.

74 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:56:01pm

re: #63 Bagua

One wonders why any normal, sensible person would wish to remain in politics.

Palin has appears to be a sensible person.

Like many she enjoyed it when when she was effective and treated in a civil manner, what normal person could tolerate the abuse she and her family have been subject to since her nomination?

You have to have a thick skin in politics, If she is resigning because she cant take the insults and media madness, then she is not needed in higher office.

75 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:56:11pm

re: #63 Bagua

One wonders why any normal, sensible person would wish to remain in politics.

Palin has appears to be a sensible person.

Like many she enjoyed it when when she was effective and treated in a civil manner, what normal person could tolerate the abuse she and her family have been subject to since her nomination?

I for one couldn't.
I admire her greatly. And take note I don't agree with on some issues.

76 kingkenrod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:56:14pm

Maybe a primary challenge from the right to Murkowski in 2010?

She would have to have a campaign apparatus set up by the end of this year. Maybe Alaska law forbids the Governor from campaigning for another office. Maybe she has to officially resign before announcing her candidacy.

77 jones  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:56:23pm

re: #65 reine.de.tout

Going to be interesting couple of days etc.

I onder if she just needs to make some $$$ and now is the time. 10 years out she can reappear, maybe.

78 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:56:28pm

This is purest speculation, but an AK blogger has been about to file for some documents--

I'm not linking to the AK blogger in question-- she has a lot of photoshopped images on her site-- but here's an excerpt from someone else:

A few months back, [xxx] sent an Open Records request to the state, asking for copies of some emails.

Specifically, emails between officials of the Palin administration and (Sarah Palin devotee and right-wing wack job radio personality) Eddie Burke , and (the ADN's Alaska Ear) Sheila Toomey .

Also specifically, any emails in which Andrée McLeod, independent government watchdog, was the subject.

The pricetag for these emails was about 5500; some small blogs had been running fundraisers. They just raised the money; on July 1st the blogger was in contact with Palin's office to see who the check is made out to.

Coincidence? Probably.

(BTW, I can't vouchsafe for the credibility of the AK blogger with the query or the legitimacy of the complaint; I don't read that blog and I don't know what's going on in AK politics-- this is just something I picked up)

79 Bagua  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:56:40pm

re: #64 sagehen

No, I'm saying we don't see normal, well adjusted people playing in those "big leagues," as a class politicians are abnormal.

80 lobo91  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:56:54pm

re: #23 nyc redneck

she should run for the senate. i hope that's what she is up to.

Well, Lisa Murkowski's term ends in 2010, so that would be a possibility...

81 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:57:13pm

re: #69 vxbush

It may be that she has decided that taking care of Trigg and giving him the help he needs takes priority over being a governor. But if that's the case, why wouldn't she say so?

Maybe we should give her a few days. maybe she will explain her decision.

82 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:57:33pm

I really doubt this is about a presidential run. It doesn't make any sense to quit this early. One of her biggest draw backs is her lack of experience, she's only served 2-3 years and then quit! That's not experience. I suspect there might be a big scandal getting ready to break and she's preemptively stepping down. Is this is about a presidential run it's a very very stupid move.

83 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:57:42pm

re: #70 victor_yugo

Well, it's almost 4:00pm here, so you're a little late, but here goes:

someone's ill
she's ill (possibly peri-menopausal)
she's gearing up for 2010 congressional elections
she's going to work full-time for the RNC
someone has threatened her
having two small children in the household is too much for a gov
Todd told her to leave the office or he'd leave her

All wild speculation, of course.

very interesting right there...politics can ruin people and maybe he's drawing the line

84 bulwrk  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:57:49pm

As much as I want to believe otherwise there is something amiss here.If IRC she is in the middle of negotiating a huge oil and natural gas pipeline contract for the State of Alaska and walking off a job is no way to start a presidential run.

85 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:58:00pm

This is really interesting. I'm not gonna guess at her motives, but if she thought that by doing it in the traditional "news dump" slot, she'd avoid attention she was way off.
This will be picnic table conversation for countless millions of Americans all weekend long.

86 jones  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:58:01pm

ANy scoop on Parneel from Alaskans?

87 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:58:07pm

re: #73 Nevergiveup

Maybe just maybe she is being honest and wants to run for national office and can't devote the time to Alaska that is required. There are some honest people. Personally I don't think she will get the Nomination, but I still like her, and think she has been treated more unfairly than any candidate I ever saw.

I like her too, though I think she does not quite have what's needed (at least yet) for a national office.

and there is no doubt in my mind that she has been treated more unfairly, by the folks who were supposed to be "her" people in the McCain campaign, by the McCain's and by the left, than any candidate in my recent memory.

88 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:58:14pm

re: #81 Nevergiveup

Maybe we should give her a few days. maybe she will explain her decision.

We want answers Now Dammit! NOW!

/

89 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:58:35pm

re: #49 Wendya

Would that be this scumbag, who started the whole photoshop Trig phenomenon?

[Link: .]

The photoshop Trig phenom was already going on, unfortunately. I didn't post her link because I don't think she should get traffic.

It's probably a total coincidence in any case.

90 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:59:06pm

re: #86 jones

ANy scoop on Parneel from Alaskans?

Was looking in Wiki:

Sean Parnell

and:

[Link: ltgov.state.ak.us...]

91 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:59:15pm

re: #79 Bagua

No, I'm saying we don't see normal, well adjusted people playing in those "big leagues," as a class politicians are abnormal.

Mark Steyn recently wrote something like politics is an affirmative action program for sociopaths.

92 J.S.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:59:15pm

re: #67 MandyManners

Wasn't she also accused of being a Prima Donna or a Diva (with regard to her dresses, glasses, etc.)?

93 pink freud  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:59:17pm

re: #84 bulwrk

She is getting out ahead of something.

94 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:59:24pm

lol GOP Palin + Joe the Plumber 2012

95 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:59:27pm

re: #82 Killgore Trout

I really doubt this is about a presidential run. It doesn't make any sense to quit this early. One of her biggest draw backs is her lack of experience, she's only served 2-3 years and then quit! That's not experience. I suspect there might be a big scandal getting ready to break and she's preemptively stepping down. Is this is about a presidential run it's a very very stupid move.

I hate agreeing with you but I do (kidding!).

This is not good.

96 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:59:31pm

re: #71 Racer X

Heh.

No, but it is like picking between a slow death from poison or being hanged.

Conservatives need a good strong leader.

*looks around*

*still looking*

Well me i hate the bunch of leaders the GOP are putting up at the moment. I like Palin but don't think she will be elected. But I don't jumped from a sinking ship, but stay and try to right her. And I do mean "right" her. I am loyal and I have my principals.

97 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:59:32pm

re: #35 Nevergiveup

Dam they release this in the middle of a Yankee game

what will happen first:

A. Palin sworn in as POTUS or
B. The Yankees winning the World Series

I vote for B

98 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:59:35pm

re: #75 callahan23
PIMF, sorry folks should have been:

I for one couldn't.
I admire her greatly. And take note I don't agree with her on some issues.
99 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 12:59:37pm

re: #82 Killgore Trout

you forgot to mention that you don't like her, which colors your thinking.

100 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:00:07pm

re: #92 J.S.

Wasn't she also accused of being a Prima Donna or a Diva (with regard to her dresses, glasses, etc.)?

That withered as soon as someone pointed out how much the WAB was spending on her wardrobe.

101 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:00:11pm

re: #82 Killgore Trout

I really doubt this is about a presidential run. It doesn't make any sense to quit this early. One of her biggest draw backs is her lack of experience, she's only served 2-3 years and then quit! That's not experience. I suspect there might be a big scandal getting ready to break and she's preemptively stepping down. Is this is about a presidential run it's a very very stupid move.

And how long was what's his name a Senator and what did what's his naem accomplish?

102 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:00:12pm

re: #82 Killgore Trout

I really doubt this is about a presidential run. It doesn't make any sense to quit this early. One of her biggest draw backs is her lack of experience, she's only served 2-3 years and then quit! That's not experience. I suspect there might be a big scandal getting ready to break and she's preemptively stepping down. Is this is about a presidential run it's a very very stupid move.

Killgore-- yes, I suspect you're right. I can't think of a good reason-- barring some family catastrophe or personal tragedy, which I hope is not the case-- for her to be leaving now.

103 jones  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:00:21pm

re: #90 Gus 802

Thanks, but any bar talk etc. on him?

104 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:00:55pm

re: #92 J.S.

Wasn't she also accused of being a Prima Donna or a Diva (with regard to her dresses, glasses, etc.)?

was there anything negative she wasn't accused of?

105 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:01:05pm

Wait. How dare she interrupt the 24/7 MJ news coverage.///

106 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:01:12pm

Wheres the Luap Nor connection?

107 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:01:19pm

re: #103 jones

Thanks, but any bar talk etc. on him?

First time I ever heard of him is about two minutes ago.

108 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:01:20pm

re: #104 redc1c4

was there anything negative she wasn't accused of?

Eating puppies and kittens raw?

109 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:01:36pm

GOP = please throw me a Scooby Snack or something. It cannot continue to go downhill. Can it?

110 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:01:56pm

re: #108 EmmmieG

Eating puppies and kittens raw?

Not sure about that. I seem to remember...

111 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:01:59pm

re: #106 DEZes

Wheres the Luap Nor connection?

They both get talked about on LGF.

RACISTS!

///

112 kingkenrod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:02:06pm

How does resigning before a scandal breaks make any sense?

113 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:02:08pm

re: #101 Nevergiveup

And how long was what's his name a Senator and what did what's his naem accomplish?

that's completely different...

/

114 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:02:17pm
115 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:02:25pm

she has major star power. no matter how the msm tries to destroy her, her appeal has only grown. she could go on to do many things. and be very successful. i hope she stays in politics. if a commie like o can get elected totus, she could get elected potus.

116 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:02:30pm

re: #108 EmmmieG

Eating puppies and kittens raw?

Puppies and kittens are too small for a meal. That's why she prefers moose.

117 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:02:30pm

re: #108 EmmmieG

Eating puppies and kittens raw?

Thats about the only thing I never saw her accused of. ;)

118 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:03:00pm

Seems the liberals here are rooting for some scandal? Gee it's almost like they are hoping the GOP implodes?

119 jaunte  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:03:04pm

re: #101 Nevergiveup

And how long was what's his name a Senator and what did what's his naem accomplish?

1. About a year. 2. Change.™

120 bulwrk  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:03:06pm

re: #104 redc1c4

was there anything negative she wasn't accused of?

Going to Argentina.

121 lobo91  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:03:14pm

re: #101 Nevergiveup

And how long was what's his name a Senator and what did what's his naem accomplish?

Obama at least pretended to be a Senator for a couple of years before announcing his candidacy for president.

If Palin were elected to the Senate in 2010, she'd basically have to already be raising money for a presidential campaign before she took office.

122 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:03:16pm

re: #92 J.S.

Wasn't she also accused of being a Prima Donna or a Diva (with regard to her dresses, glasses, etc.)?

Wasn't that done by McCain staffers?

123 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:03:25pm

re: #70 victor_yugo


she's ill (possibly peri-menopausal)


That's not being "ill".

124 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:03:28pm

re: #4 Charles

I'm wondering if there's more to this than the 2012 election.

Yeah, this sounds bad for Palin. A resignation doesn't fit at all with preparation for a Presidential run. It's much more in keeping with someone bailing before some horrendously bad news hits the fan.

Just have to wait and see what develops, I guess.

125 Honcho  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:03:30pm

Has she been offered a cabinet seat in the Clinton administration, which will follow enactment of the Clinton Plan (double-murder suicide in B&D menage a trois by top dem figure), or will she be heading Ron Paul's amazon bodyguard following the black-helicopter illluminati coup?

126 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:03:50pm

re: #112 kingkenrod

How does resigning before a scandal breaks make any sense?

Well, she can literally tell the media to go fook themselves and then slam the door shut.

127 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:03:52pm

re: #115 nyc redneck

she has major star power. no matter how the msm tries to destroy her, her appeal has only grown. she could go on to do many things. and be very successful. i hope she stays in politics. if a commie like o can get elected totus, she could get elected potus.

You are missing something: The Zero got elected because of his commie alignment.

128 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:03:53pm

re: #66 Gus 802

Obama - yikes
Biden - yikes
Reid - yikes
Pelosi - yikes
Boxer - yikes
Franken - yikes
Durbin - yikes
Corzine - yikes
Franks - yikes
Dodd - yikes

//Just sayin'.


You forgot:

Paterson: What the frak!
Schwarzenegger: I'll be... oh who the heck am I kidding!
Rangel: Show me the money!
Jefferson: That's my line Rangel!
Cunningham: I got shot down in flames over money!
Madoff: Greed is good, except when you get caught.
Geithner: Can someone get me a TARP; the economy is DOA.
Spitzer: It's a circus, how much do I have to pay?
Monserrate and Espada: Did someone say circus?

129 jcm  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:03:56pm

re: #120 bulwrk

Going to Argentina.

Naked hiking...

130 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:04:07pm

re: #112 kingkenrod

How does resigning before a scandal breaks make any sense?

and, if it is a scandal, why hang on to the end of the month?

it's more likely something else, but that'll never stop the Palin haters, here and elsewhere.

131 NoWhereAlaska  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:04:14pm

re: #86 jones

ANy scoop on Parneel from Alaskans?

What do you want to know. He is a young, nice, easy going politician. He is not up for 'hard-hitting' campaigns. He lost to Don Young last year for congress. He will be a great governor for our state, but he has no future in national politics.

132 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:04:29pm

re: #121 lobo91

Obama at least pretended to be a Senator for a couple of years before announcing his candidacy for president.

If Palin were elected to the Senate in 2010, she'd basically have to already be raising money for a presidential campaign before she took office.

He was about as much of a Senator as i was

133 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:04:36pm

re: #115 nyc redneck

she has major star power. no matter how the msm tries to destroy her, her appeal has only grown. she could go on to do many things. and be very successful. i hope she stays in politics. if a commie like o can get elected totus, she could get elected potus.

leftists totally disregard that obvious little factoid...hahaha!...good grief...thier smug predictions of her demise are ridiculous, if they could only hear themselves

134 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:04:41pm

Does this sound like the launch of a presidential campaign?
STUNNER: A Palin announcement: Resigning in weeks; “It hurts to make this choice. But I’m doing what’s best for Alaska”

Palin: “I love my job. I love Alaska. It hurts to make this choice. But I’m doing what’s best for Alaska.” Tears in her eyes.

Says she will be able “to effect change from the outside.” America needs protectors of individual rights now more than ever. Promises to always be there for Alaska. Wants to work not just for Alaska, for the rest of the country.

Lt Gov. Sean Parnell says he receives announcement with a “heavy heart.”

135 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:04:49pm

re: #125 Honcho

Has she been offered a cabinet seat in the Clinton administration, which will follow enactment of the Clinton Plan (double-murder suicide in B&D menage a trois by top dem figure), or will she be heading Ron Paul's amazon bodyguard following the black-helicopter illluminati coup?

Whiplash!

136 jcm  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:04:53pm

re: #128 lawhawk

You forgot:

Paterson: What the frak!
Schwarzenegger: I'll be... oh who the heck am I kidding!
Rangel: Show me the money!
Jefferson: That's my line Rangel!
Cunningham: I got shot down in flames over money!
Madoff: Greed is good, except when you get caught.
Geithner: Can someone get me a TARP; the economy is DOA.
Spitzer: It's a circus, how much do I have to pay?
Monserrate and Espada: Did someone say circus?


Obama: "Fundamentally Change America?"

137 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:04:57pm

re: #112 kingkenrod

How does resigning before a scandal breaks make any sense?

You move yourself at least slightly out of the bullseye.

But it's too soon to speculate on precisely what the cause of this may be. Could just as well be a family issue of some sort.

138 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:04:58pm

Someone on Fox is speculating based on conversation with Palin that she was spending so much time defending herself against frivolous ethics complaints )and thousand of $) that she couldn't effectively govern.

139 jaunte  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:05:01pm

re: #118 Nevergiveup

Seems the liberals here are rooting for some scandal? Gee it's almost like they are hoping the GOP implodes?

One of the only sins left is the hypocrisy of others.

140 gatorbait  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:05:09pm

She is one hell of a classy dame and I wish her all the best life has to offer. Should she choose to stay in politics, she will always have my support. She is the best kind of person: honest, sincere, principled, and courageous.

141 ~Fianna  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:05:15pm

re: #4 Charles

I'm wondering if there's more to this than the 2012 election.

Yeah... I see three possibilities:

1. She's so fed up with the whole thing at this point that she wants out of politics.
2. She's gotten an offer from FOX or a PAC that pays well and gives her a platform.
3. There's a really big shoe about to drop and she's trying to stem some bleeding.

I think that Todd and Todd's insane family is a liability for her.

142 J.S.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:05:17pm

re: #112 kingkenrod

You avoid the embarrassment of being "forced out of office"...It's like a pre-emptive move...if the person's already out of office, you can't demand he/she be punished with being pushed/forced out of office.

143 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:05:19pm

re: #118 Nevergiveup

Seems the liberals here are rooting for some scandal? Gee it's almost like they are hoping the GOP implodes?

don't worry. it won't.
we are going to be helped so much in 2010 by the grifter himself.
buyers remorse is growing.

144 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:05:22pm

re: #120 bulwrk

Going to Argentina.

see my #3 on this thread... %-)

145 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:05:26pm

re: #123 Wendya

That's not being "ill".

For some women (esp. who can't take hormones), it is.

146 jones  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:05:35pm

re: #131 NoWhereAlaska

What do you want to know. He is a young, nice, easy going politician. He is not up for 'hard-hitting' campaigns. He lost to Don Young last year for congress. He will be a great governor for our state, but he has no future in national politics.

That was what I really wondered.


Thanks.

147 Deseeded  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:05:59pm

As much as I am not a huge fan of Sarah Palin, I certainly admire her decision to resign her position to a person who will be able to focus 100% on the State issues. Coming from Massachusetts, I saw what happens when a governor neglects his state in favor or running all over the country for a bid at the Presidency. I really liked Romney until he did that to us. He pretty much sealed a Democrat win for the Governorship.

I'm hoping there isn't more to this than just being responsible.

148 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:06:25pm

Maybe she's tired of having her minor children viciously attacked and slandered?

149 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:06:29pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Does this sound like the launch of a presidential campaign?
STUNNER: A Palin announcement: Resigning in weeks; “It hurts to make this choice. But I’m doing what’s best for Alaska”

Is it good for Alaska to be constantly mired in nuisance "ethics complaints" initiated by political enemies and bloggers? They've already cost the state over 300K with nothing to show for it but the enrichment of lawyers.

150 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:06:37pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

No. It sounds like there's something more serious than a 2012 run. We can only speculate in the absence of solid news. Could be medical issues. Could be family issues. There hasn't exactly been a sign of a scandal, so that's not likely it, unless they're trying to get out in front, which isn't the usual way of handling a scandal (aka infidelity or corruption or the like).

151 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:06:39pm

re: #128 lawhawk

You forgot:

Paterson: What the frak!
Schwarzenegger: I'll be... oh who the heck am I kidding!
Rangel: Show me the money!
Jefferson: That's my line Rangel!
Cunningham: I got shot down in flames over money!
Madoff: Greed is good, except when you get caught.
Geithner: Can someone get me a TARP; the economy is DOA.
Spitzer: It's a circus, how much do I have to pay?
Monserrate and Espada: Did someone say circus?

The list is endless. Remember all of the NJ Democrats that were both indicted and jailed a couple of years ago?

Then we have the recent Democrat Party governors of infamy:

Eliot Spitzer (D-NY)
Rod Blagojevich (D-IL)
Jim McGreevey (D-NJ)

152 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:06:50pm

What if she plans some major announcement that she plans to take the dems on, head-on, nationally. Something she cannot do full-time as governor of AK. What I mean is, she can fill the void, make the noise the republicans are failing to make attacking Cap-n-Trade, Ø-Care, National Security issues, etc. Cheney was getting a bunch press making the needed noise, yet he has no further aspirations.

153 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:06:56pm

re: #127 victor_yugo

You are missing something: The Zero got elected because of his commie alignment.

no, he fooled a lot of people into thinking he was a centrist, tho he did occasionally reveal himself if people were listening.

154 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:07:36pm

re: #145 victor_yugo

For some women (esp. who can't take hormones), it is.

No, it's not. It's a normal part of being a woman. You deal with it.

155 lobo91  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:07:45pm

re: #132 Nevergiveup

He was about as much of a Senator as i was

Notice I said "pretended."

My point was that he at least held the office for four years before becoming president. Palin would only be there for 2, all of which would be spent campaigning.

Doesn't make sense.

156 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:07:48pm

re: #142 J.S.

You avoid the embarrassment of being "forced out of office"...It's like a pre-emptive move...if the person's already out of office, you can't demand he/she be punished with being pushed/forced out of office.

That makes sense, its also better than fighting tooth and nail to retain a position.

157 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:07:50pm

re: #143 nyc redneck

don't worry. it won't.
we are going to be helped so much in 2010 by the grifter himself.
buyers remorse is growing.

I'm not worried. Was just making an observation about the lefties that hang out here.

158 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:08:14pm

re: #102 iceweasel

Yes, It's also possible that There's been some sort of family tragedy of serious illness.

159 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:08:27pm

re: #141 ~Fianna

Yeah... I see three possibilities:

1. She's so fed up with the whole thing at this point that she wants out of politics.
2. She's gotten an offer from FOX or a PAC that pays well and gives her a platform.
3. There's a really big shoe about to drop and she's trying to stem some bleeding.

I think that Todd and Todd's insane family is a liability for her.

I missed that one. What's it about?

160 Grand Poobah  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:08:35pm

re: #24 Charles

Pretty standard way to downplay something -- release it late Friday on a long weekend.

You think they did this on purpose?

161 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:08:51pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Her brother said that he thought that she felt that since she and her staff had to spend up to 80% of their time dealing with frivolous ethics complaints and lawsuits filed by every moonbat within a thousand mile radius, the State and it's citizens would be better served if she stepped down.

We shall see. I'm reserving judgment on this one because I'm sure we've only heard about 1% of the story.

162 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:08:54pm

re: #148 EmmmieG

Maybe she's tired of having her minor children viciously attacked and slandered?

Good point. Not sure I would have been able to hold back from beating Letterman and a few others senseless for attacking my kids.

163 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:09:10pm

re: #156 DEZes

By the same token, you can't use the resignation as a bargaining chip to avoid prosecution/reduced sentencing, etc. It's a curious move, especially compared to Blago, Spitzer, Paterson, McGreevey, et. al.

164 kingkenrod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:09:16pm

Another thing to consider is the number of bogus ethics complaints against her were costing her big money - $500,000. It's possible her attempts to raise donations to pay her legal bills weren't working out. Why stay on as Governor for 1 1/2 years only to go deeply into debt, yet not do much to help her prospects as Governor?

165 lobo91  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:09:21pm

re: #138 wahabicorridor

Someone on Fox is speculating based on conversation with Palin that she was spending so much time defending herself against frivolous ethics complaints )and thousand of $) that she couldn't effectively govern.

Could also be that she can't afford the job. She's probably spending more on legal fees than she makes as governor, and she's not independently wealthy like most Democrat politicians.

166 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:09:22pm

re: #145 victor_yugo

For some women (esp. who can't take hormones), it is.

No, it's not. It's a natural process.

167 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:09:56pm

re: #132 Nevergiveup

He was about as much of a Senator as i was

no, less of a senator than you.

168 kingkenrod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:10:10pm

re: #164 kingkenrod

Another thing to consider is the number of bogus ethics complaints against her were costing her big money - $500,000. It's possible her attempts to raise donations to pay her legal bills weren't working out. Why stay on as Governor for 1 1/2 years only to go deeply into debt, yet not do much to help her prospects as Governor?

I mean as President.

169 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:10:14pm

I sure hope she resigned because she found 0bama's Kenyan birth certificate and is planning on a big fight to take the White House with John McCain

otherwise, she is in some ethical trouble and is quitting so she can flee to Saudi Arabia

170 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:10:21pm

re: #155 lobo91

Notice I said "pretended."

My point was that he at least held the office for four years before becoming president. Palin would only be there for 2, all of which would be spent campaigning.

Doesn't make sense.

Look I like her, but doubt she will get the nomination. So in the end I don't think this all matters much. It's still real early in the election cycle.

171 NoWhereAlaska  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:10:25pm

I talked with a friend in Juneau. He will be getting the inside story next week. I will let you know what I find out. Sorry though it will take a few days. Stay tuned folks.

172 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:11:09pm

re: #118 Nevergiveup

Seems the liberals here are rooting for some scandal? Gee it's almost like they are hoping the GOP implodes?

Not at all. Many here who are far from liberal would say that the GOP has been imploding.

And I notice a few who are not liberals also think something strange might be up. It's not just liberals who are finding this strange.

173 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:11:30pm

re: #171 NoWhereAlaska

I talked with a friend in Juneau. He will be getting the inside story next week. I will let you know what I find out. Sorry though it will take a few days. Stay tuned folks.

Next week?

It will be all over the interwebs in another hour.

174 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:11:33pm

re: #167 nyc redneck

no, less of a senator than you.

Thank you

175 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:11:35pm

re: #160 Grand Poobah

You think they did this on purpose?

Why not? It's a smart move.

176 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:11:39pm

re: #165 lobo91

Could also be that she can't afford the job. She's probably spending more on legal fees than she makes as governor, and she's not independently wealthy like most Democrat politicians.

Wouldn't those legal fees have been picked up by the state?

177 Honcho  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:11:48pm

Is there some MP in Iraq with a big smile on his face?

178 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:11:59pm

re: #162 Racer X

Good point. Not sure I would have been able to hold back from beating Letterman and a few others senseless for attacking my kids.

i'm not sure i would have even tried...

(to hold back, that is. %-)

179 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:12:28pm

re: #163 lawhawk

By the same token, you can't use the resignation as a bargaining chip to avoid prosecution/reduced sentencing, etc. It's a curious move, especially compared to Blago, Spitzer, Paterson, McGreevey, et. al.

Didnt think about using it as a bargaining chip.
Most of the scandalized politicians refuse to leave an elected position.
Its theirs, and they wants it.

180 cronus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:12:36pm

Hmmm.. If there really is nothing more scandalous to this I would guess there is a (really bad) political calculation that she can spend 6 to 12 months making money and then run for Prez full time. Or it is that she in fact doesn't want to run for prez, is burned out as governor and wants to make money and be done.

Regardless actually quitting in your first term can only reflect negatively if she plans to do anything in politics again.

181 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:13:00pm

gotta hop, lizards...

big smooch for one and all...

182 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:13:03pm

re: #161 Lincolntf

Her brother said that he thought that she felt that since she and her staff had to spend up to 80% of their time dealing with frivolous ethics complaints and lawsuits filed by every moonbat within a thousand mile radius, the State and it's citizens would be better served if she stepped down.


That's possible but I think unlikely. There are always partisan complainers and every politician has to deal with it.

183 sagehen  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:13:09pm

re: #108 EmmmieG

Eating puppies and kittens raw?

Slander! The puppies are barbecued, with her own special sauce. The kittens are in chili.

184 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:13:26pm

re: #163 lawhawk

By the same token, you can't use the resignation as a bargaining chip to avoid prosecution/reduced sentencing, etc. It's a curious move, especially compared to Blago, Spitzer, Paterson, McGreevey, et. al.

another reason to think it's *not* scandal related, unless, of course, you have PDS like some people 'round these parts.

185 lobo91  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:13:28pm

re: #176 wahabicorridor

Wouldn't those legal fees have been picked up by the state?

Probably depends on the crcumstances of the complaint.

186 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:13:40pm

re: #90 Gus 802

Was looking in Wiki:

Sean Parnell

and:

[Link: ltgov.state.ak.us...]

Endorsed by the Toomey machine, I don't look at that as a positive

187 NoWhereAlaska  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:13:52pm

re: #173 Racer X

Next week?

It will be all over the interwebs in another hour.

Believe me there is the obvious inside news, and the less obvious. I doubt that the interweb will have anything approaching 'reality' when in comes to Palin.

188 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:14:23pm

If I were an Alaskan, I think I would feel a great loss right now.

Could she be going into the private energy sector? Promoting it for America?

189 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:14:43pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

That's possible but I think unlikely. There are always partisan complainers and every politician has to deal with it.

Please not like the kind she has had to put up with.

190 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:14:58pm

re: #178 redc1c4

i'm not sure i would have even tried...

(to hold back, that is. %-)

I was seriously hoping Sarah's response to Letterman would be: "Dave you otta shut your smug assed mouth before Todd comes down there and bashes it in. You're a punk."

191 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:14:59pm

re: #177 Honcho

Is there some MP in Iraq with a big smile on his face?

Qué?

192 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:15:12pm

re: #174 Nevergiveup

Thank you

LOL :D

193 freedomplow  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:15:21pm

Not a Friday news dump imho. This will be covered extensively regardless.

She scares the sh*t out of them. That's why they hate her so much.

Big enough to pull MSNBC out of their "Lockup" series.

194 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:15:24pm

re: #188 midwestgak

If I were an Alaskan, I think I would feel a great loss right now.

Could she be going into the private energy sector? Promoting it for America?

DRILL NOW!
Or some such?

195 Kulhwch  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:15:39pm

re: #47 Kulhwch

... and, yes, I know this is old old news, but I just found the quote and loved it.

}:)     [You can tell how important sports are in my life ... ]

196 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:16:18pm

I've got it
she killed Michael Jackson
and is about to be indicted

ok, not that either...

would you believe:

someone found Trig's b.c. and Todd is not the father
she is not the mother

someone is coming forward saying she is Sarah's first husband and that they are still legally married

she killed Vince Foster

she is the daughter of Helen Thomas and word is about to leak out

197 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:16:26pm

Nothing up at Sarahpac btw

[Link: www.sarahpac.com...]

198 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:16:29pm

re: #189 Nevergiveup

Please not like the kind she has had to put up with.

Imagine if Øbama or Michelle had to endure just 10% of the ridicule directed at her by the MSM?

199 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:16:30pm

re: #193 freedomplow

Friday night news dumps aren't always effective, but it is a way to minimize the news cycle. Putting it out on a holiday weekend goes to that effect.

Just because it was a FNND doesn't mean it will stop people from talking... that's the hoped for result.

200 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:16:31pm

Her statement is sorta rambling and unprepared, though she got in some good points.

This is just sorta strange.

201 Last Mohican  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:16:37pm

re: #82 Killgore Trout

I really doubt this is about a presidential run. It doesn't make any sense to quit this early. One of her biggest draw backs is her lack of experience, she's only served 2-3 years and then quit! That's not experience. I suspect there might be a big scandal getting ready to break and she's preemptively stepping down. Is this is about a presidential run it's a very very stupid move.

I agree completely. Resigning now kills whatever chance she might have had in the 2012 election. She can't be doing this because she wants to run for president. I suspect it may be for personal reasons, and I wish her the best whatever the reason is. She's not my favorite choice from a political perspective, but I think very highly of her as a person, and the vicious, disgusting way in which the press decided to attack her personally during the last election was nothing short of obscene.

202 chedgeman  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:16:45pm

On August 1st, she'll still be a better governor than the one in New York.

203 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:16:47pm

I want to go on the record as having no freaking clue why she did it.

204 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:16:52pm

re: #129 jcm

Naturism, with Dave Angel, Eco-Warrior:

205 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:17:33pm

I can think of a good reason, that isn't bad news, except politically. Maybe she's pregnant. I do not mean any snark by that.

206 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:17:34pm

re: #187 NoWhereAlaska

Just take a screenshot of this whole thread and then watch how over the next week every single theory advanced so far will have web-articles and even detailed treatises to back up that position.
Most web-links wins, it's the new truth.

207 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:17:36pm

re: #198 unrealizedviewpoint

Imagine if Øbama or Michelle had to endure just 10% of the ridicule directed at her by the MSM?

Frankly, Bill Clinton was treated better...and he actually was a slut.

208 richiep  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:17:42pm

All things considered Palin probably decided to give herself and family a break from the public spot light. From the fear (why else the relentless hammering of her over nonsense) the left has of her. The attacks against her children, the unsubstantiated ethics charges, etc.

Fortunately for the US she did run for VP and mitigated the November 2008 election disaster.

Who ever does run on the Republican ticket in 2012 will seek her for her fund raising capability and her ability to draw large crowds.

Then again, maybe Sara is planning on starting a secessionist movement for Alaska.

Question; will Alaska or Texas be the first to leave the Union?

209 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:17:53pm

brilliant actually...she has good reason to step down (baring some criminal scandal)...she can move on and make a ton of money without having to answer to anybody...she can fight for the GOP with gloves off...buy a sweet ranch in Idaho...she can square it with assholes that have been needlessly cruel to her and get paid a fortune for it

210 freedomplow  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:17:56pm

She even scares the crap out of the McCain moderates... Hence the leaked emails.

211 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:18:40pm

This is the first time I've posted on LGF since election day 2008. It's unfortunate that I do so now, seeing how the occasion is the announcement of Governor Sarah Palin's resignation as Governor. Heck, she's the only REASON I voted for the McCain ticket.

But what is up with this, Sarah? I want to see the silver lining. I really do. Show me the money, the oil, the love, anything. I'm shaking here.

212 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:18:45pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

I think all the stuff about the infighting on the campaign has been coming out for a reason. Could she be heading for a Senate bid rather than Pres? I hope this is what it is, I'm a huge fan and will be so very upset if I learn I've had her back all this time and it wasn't deserved.

/not that she cares if I had it or not, but that isn't the point.

213 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:19:00pm

re: #154 Wendya

No, it's not. It's a normal part of being a woman.

So is post-partum depression, but any doctor who says "deal with it" would rightly be called cruel and callous.

214 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:19:04pm

re: #210 freedomplow

She even scares the crap out of the McCain moderates... Hence the leaked emails.

Talk about a bunch of freaken assholes and low lifes.

215 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:19:06pm

I really like Sarah Palin; would love to have her as a neighbor or relative. She showed a lot of promise to be the VP. She certainly would do no worse than that idiot Joe Biden.

I wish you the best Sarah.

216 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:19:16pm

"Dead fish go with the flow"

217 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:19:17pm

re: #200 BigPapa

Her statement is sorta rambling and unprepared, though she got in some good points.

This is just sorta strange.

at least we can follow her and she is saying something like a normal person in conversation. how refreshing.

218 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:19:27pm

Wow.

I wonder if she isn't just sick of the scrutiny.

219 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:19:37pm

Her press conference--teleprompter free--is good--strong and determined. if she does run for POTUS, I for one, will support her.

220 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:19:39pm

Live feed on FOX.

/sounds like she's just pissed, with $500K in legal bills

221 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:19:47pm

re: #198 unrealizedviewpoint

Imagine if Øbama or Michelle had to endure just 10% of the ridicule directed at her by the MSM?

the US would run out of popcorn!

222 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:20:03pm

re: #193 freedomplow

Not a Friday news dump imho. This will be covered extensively regardless.

She scares the sh*t out of them. That's why they hate her so much.

Big enough to pull MSNBC out of their "Lockup" series.

in spite of their irrational livid behavior...liberals deny being threatened by he...read up thread...that logic is just stupifying...and now she can really gun for them

223 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:20:05pm

re: #194 callahan23

DRILL NOW!
Or some such?

Yes, some such. She is very into energy. Maybe being in office limits her ability to accomplish this goal.

I'm listening to her speech. She just said, "We all know that only dead fish go with the flow."

224 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:20:22pm

re: #220 Killian Bundy

Live feed on FOX.

/sounds like she's just pissed, with $500K in legal bills

Well it's tape but still

225 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:20:28pm

if anyone has the right to bow out for awhile to sort out family issues, it is Palin. Between her own special needs baby and her grandchild that is practically the same age, she has a lot of work to do in determining a proper future for the family. maybe politics are the course they take, or maybe not. As I said, I do not see her as a future POTUS, but I see her as a very fine regional GOP player. Good luck to her and her family.

226 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:20:29pm

re: #218 Sharmuta

Wow.

I wonder if she isn't just sick of the scrutiny.

Bad attitude if you're angling for the Presidency.

227 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:20:36pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

That's possible but I think unlikely. There are always partisan complainers and every politician has to deal with it.

Please name one who has been treated the way she has, keeping in mind that she hasn't done anything wrong.

Just one.

This has been a leftist, sexist orgy of hate since the day McCain introduced her as his running mate.

228 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:20:40pm

I love her quote--"my husband and I are fishermen, and know that only dead fish go with the flow..."

229 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:21:12pm

re: #198 unrealizedviewpoint

Imagine if Øbama or Michelle had to endure just 10% of the ridicule directed at her by the MSM?

They just about collapsed under "scrutiny" from Helen Thomas.

230 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:21:12pm

Is it possible she has just thought "Sod this, I'm not going any further in politics, might as well get out now, and not have the rest of the party wasting their hopes and energies on me for the next year or so"?

231 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:21:33pm

re: #227 capitalist piglet

Please name one who has been treated the way she has, keeping in mind that she hasn't done anything wrong.

Just one.

This has been a leftist, sexist orgy of hate since the day McCain introduced her as his running mate.

I wish I could give you 10 updings for this comment.

232 lobo91  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:21:33pm

My WAG is that it's a combination of not wanting to fight all the smears and bogus complaints while in office, while simultaneously moving on to a new project (energy independence, probably) that will enhance her credibility for a 2016 run.

She can probably make more in a month in speaking fees as a private citizen than she gets as governor for a year. Plus, there's the inevitable book deal...

233 poteen  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:21:37pm

Working the Obama pres. campaign model maybe?

Get away from front and center national politics for a while, out of the bullseye as it were, then come back in time for a Senate or Pres. run with fewer political wounds to dress. I don't think she'll be forgotten in 2 to 4 years.

re: #201 Last Mohican

Obama proved experience isn't necessary.

234 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:21:50pm

re: #218 Sharmuta

Wow.

I wonder if she isn't just sick of the scrutiny.

I'm hoping that is the case and its not something really bad for her or her family. I would totally understand if she just said "fock it. I'm out."

235 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:21:54pm

re: #206 Lincolntf

Just take a screenshot of this whole thread and then watch how over the next week every single theory advanced so far will have web-articles and even detailed treatises to back up that position.
Most web-links wins, it's the new truth.

she's going to issue herself a hunting license for trash-talking political pundits and so called entertainers...

236 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:21:54pm

re: #203 Cattt

I want to go on the record as having no freaking clue why she did it.

She is resigning because hundreds of millions of dollars and a vendetta press can ruin your personal and professional lives. Not only to protect her family, but her state. Be proud, MSM. You have taken down the most popular, highest approval-rated Governor in America.

237 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:21:57pm

re: #212 ArmyWife

I think all the stuff about the infighting on the campaign has been coming out for a reason. Could she be heading for a Senate bid rather than Pres? I hope this is what it is, I'm a huge fan and will be so very upset if I learn I've had her back all this time and it wasn't deserved.

/not that she cares if I had it or not, but that isn't the point.

you cannot explain PDS...it just is

238 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:21:59pm

Dear God, this isn't going to play well with the press. They will cream her (comme d'habitude). They will make a total allusion to the McCain "suspension of campaign", as proof positive that she's not steady.

OMG, Fox just cut her off midsentence.

239 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:22:13pm

re: #217 nyc redneck

at least we can follow her and she is saying something like a normal person in conversation. how refreshing.

Fair enough LOL.

She made the point that she's quitting because it costs Alaska too much time and money to have her as Gov. A good case can be made for this, but I don't know if it will hold.

240 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:22:27pm

re: #226 vbspurs

Bad attitude if you're angling for the Presidency.

Maybe she's NOT angling for anything. She sounds fed up.

241 McJeff  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:22:29pm

I wouldn't think this has anything to do with a 2012 presidential run. Stepping down as governor would be the kiss of death to any campaign, all the dem against her would have to do is run a campaign based on "how can you trust her not to quit?"

What I'd like to see is for Ms. Palin to put together some sort of anti-liberal-media group. See if she can't use her own experiences to do some serious decreditation to the media. Decreditation isn't a word, but it should be.

Any chance she could coax Karl Rove out of retirement?

242 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:22:31pm

my son just called from Israel ... he floated on the Dead Sea today.

243 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:22:55pm

re: #226 vbspurs

It's nice to see you again.

I hate to say it, but she'll never be president. There is too much misogyny left in our culture, and I wouldn't blame her for not wanting to put herself through it.

244 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:23:07pm

She also has a baby who needs her and I think she is very serious about this cause.

245 jaunte  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:23:13pm

re: #230 Jimmah

Is it possible she has just thought "Sod this, I'm not going any further in politics, might as well get out now, and not have the rest of the party wasting their hopes and energies on me for the next year or so"?

From the Purdum article linked above:

"Palin has shown herself to have remarkable gut instincts about raw politics, and she has seen openings where others did not. And she has the good fortune to have traction within a political party that is bereft of strong leadership, and whose rank and file often demands qualities other than knowledge, experience, and an understanding that facts are, as John Adams said, stubborn things. It is, at the moment, a party in which the loudest and most singular voices, not burdened by responsibility, wield disproportionate power. She may decide that she does not need office in order to have great influence—any more than Rush Limbaugh does."
246 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:23:25pm

...and her son? Her son is fighting a hot war right now.

247 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:23:30pm

re: #229 Gus 802

They just about collapsed under "scrutiny" from Helen Thomas.

Who didn't just love Helen for those few minutes?

248 Code Red 21  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:23:34pm

Politics aside I just hope there is nothing wrong, health-wise, with Sarah or her family. God bless them they need all of the help than can get.

249 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:23:38pm

re: #242 _RememberTonyC

my son just called from Israel ... he floated on the Dead Sea today.

kinda hard not to?
/

250 cronus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:23:38pm

re: #230 Jimmah

Is it possible she has just thought "Sod this, I'm not going any further in politics, might as well get out now, and not have the rest of the party wasting their hopes and energies on me for the next year or so"?

As of now I think this is the most likely rationale.

251 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:23:41pm

re: #240 katemaclaren

Maybe she's NOT angling for anything. She sounds fed up.

Sigh. Yes, I think you're right. Too bad about Senator Stevens. She would've been a great Senator from Alaska.

252 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:23:48pm

Why be a lame duck? That's what's wrong with politics.

/she's just had enough

253 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:23:52pm

re: #188 midwestgak

If I were an Alaskan, I think I would feel a great loss right now.

Could she be going into the private energy sector? Promoting it for America?

Hardly worth a resignation.

More pure speculation, but I wonder if the announcement is related to the release of campaign emails, as noted in the thread just downstairs. Perhaps the source has access to other emails that are less than flattering.

Again, time will tell. But my bad feelings about this are growing. If the cause were some sort of family emergency - an illness, let's say - I would expect the announcement of her resignation would mention the specifics. The absence of any explanation doesn't bode well for Palin, in my own fact-starved opinion.

254 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:23:55pm

Twitter is showing it's true colors with the news. Moonbat central for the most part. Lots of Palin Derangement Syndrome.

255 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:24:09pm

re: #236 haakondahl

She is resigning because hundreds of millions of dollars and a vendetta press can ruin your personal and professional lives. Not only to protect her family, but her state. Be proud, MSM. You have taken down the most popular, highest approval-rated Governor in America.

there will be payback...

256 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:24:15pm

Hum. No teleprompter. Knows what to say from the heart and mind.

257 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:24:17pm

re: #243 Sharmuta

It's nice to see you again.

I hate to say it, but she'll never be president. There is too much misogyny left in our culture, and I wouldn't blame her for not wanting to put herself through it.

I agree about the misogyny--but it seems to be WOMEN who are the meanest.

258 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:24:30pm

re: #247 unrealizedviewpoint

Who didn't just love Helen for those few minutes?

Ditto. If she can just keep up that line of questioning and commentary. Probably not.

259 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:24:32pm

my dad always said you had to be dishonest or stupid to be in politics

I think she just proven herself neither of those today
as far as I am concerned

260 pat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:24:56pm

I suspect we will hear a lot more. She has half a million in legal fees fighting silly ethic complaints, all of which so far have proven to be nothing. But that does not mean the attacks have stopped. She has been relentlessly attacked both by a very corrupt Alaskan GOP and a very liberal Democratic Party. Maybe they managed an indictment or a charge. Then their is the attacked on her family that seem to serve fodder for moonbat humor. I mean mental retardation, statutory rape, lust for her daughter are such thigh slappers.

261 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:24:58pm

re: #213 victor_yugo

So is post-partum depression, but any doctor who says "deal with it" would rightly be called cruel and callous.

OT - is that a Game of Life glider in your avatar?

262 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:24:58pm

re: #242 _RememberTonyC

my son just called from Israel ... he floated on the Dead Sea today.

Big deal. Anybody could do that. Now, if he sank, that'd be something else!

263 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:25:17pm

re: #255 albusteve

Yep. Hasta la vista, baby.

264 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:25:19pm

re: #254 Gus 802

Twitter is showing it's its true colors with the news. Moonbat central for the most part. Lots of Palin Derangement Syndrome.

Correction. Just in case the Grammar Police is reading. //

265 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:25:26pm

re: #243 Sharmuta

It's nice to see you again.

I hate to say it, but she'll never be president. There is too much misogyny left in our culture, and I wouldn't blame her for not wanting to put herself through it.

Thanks Sharmuta!

About misogyny: America is lightyears ahead of Britain (my homeland, just to refresh the memory ;), and we had a woman Prime Minister.

There is no attitude strong enough that won't buckle to an extraordinary person. I don't know that Sarah Palin is that person...

266 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:25:38pm

re: #238 vbspurs

Dear God, this isn't going to play well with the press. They will cream her (comme d'habitude). They will make a total allusion to the McCain "suspension of campaign", as proof positive that she's not steady.

OMG, Fox just cut her off midsentence.

CNN too. Lost the signal from Alaska--not FOX or CNN's fault,.

267 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:25:38pm

Whatever it is - it is ODD. And whatever it is, I wish her well.

-S-

268 itellu3times  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:25:53pm

ISS_det_tax

269 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:26:00pm

re: #254 Gus 802

Twitter is showing it's true colors with the news. Moonbat central for the most part. Lots of Palin Derangement Syndrome.

I figured liberals would be dancing around like jihadists after a beheading.

270 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:26:05pm

re: #261 SixDegrees

Yes.

271 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:26:11pm

she sounds enthusiastic. she doesn't sound like she is quitting. i bet she goes into the private sector and is very successful. and maybe she will even go back to politics.

btw, all of that "uh-uh free" heartfelt speech was w/ out a telepromter.
o can't even say his name w/ out a prompter

272 ~Fianna  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:26:25pm

re: #159 MandyManners

I missed that one. What's it about?

The issues with Todd's family and the trooper thing, for one. Todd being cc'd on all her emails. The DWIs. His half-sister getting arrested for burglary, etc.

I discount the drug rumors because they're just rumors... but it still isn't good for her that he seems like the kind of person that you can spread those sorts of rumors about. From what I've been able to determine about Todd, not knowing him personally, of course, is that he doesn't seem to have the best judgment.

Palin herself seems like a fairly classy lady, but Todd's family seems a little... out of control?

Part of the problem with being "real" people is that we generally don't want our politicians to be "real" people - we want to see them as the best of us, and even if the Governor herself can inspire that in people, I think that Todd's something of a liability.

273 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:26:37pm

re: #249 Nevergiveup

kinda hard not to?
/

LOL ... I've never been ... but I live vicariously through others

274 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:27:11pm

re: #269 DEZes

I figured liberals would be dancing around like jihadists after a beheading.

Yeah, pretty much that. The libs will be acting like they did in Gaza on 9/12/2001.

275 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:27:13pm

re: #272 ~Fianna

The issues with Todd's family and the trooper thing, for one. Todd being cc'd on all her emails. The DWIs. His half-sister getting arrested for burglary, etc.

I discount the drug rumors because they're just rumors... but it still isn't good for her that he seems like the kind of person that you can spread those sorts of rumors about. From what I've been able to determine about Todd, not knowing him personally, of course, is that he doesn't seem to have the best judgment.

Palin herself seems like a fairly classy lady, but Todd's family seems a little... out of control?

Part of the problem with being "real" people is that we generally don't want our politicians to be "real" people - we want to see them as the best of us, and even if the Governor herself can inspire that in people, I think that Todd's something of a liability.

Just curious, do you remember Carter's family?

276 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:27:20pm

re: #262 victor_yugo

Big deal. Anybody could do that. Now, if he sank, that'd be something else!

I suppose I asked for this ... :P

277 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:27:54pm

re: #242 _RememberTonyC

my son just called from Israel ... he floated on the Dead Sea today.

I floated on the Dead Sea in 1982. It's impossible to sink! The water is so dense with salt. The water feels oily too.

278 pat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:27:57pm

Obama's brother is not even allowed in Britain.

279 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:27:59pm

Here's a transcript of here statement...

. “I am determined to take the right path for Alaska even though it is not the easiest path,” said Governor Palin after the announcement. “Once I decided not to run for re-election, I also felt that to embrace the conventional ‘Lame Duck’ status in this particular climate would just be another dose of ‘politics as usual,’ something I campaigned against and will always oppose. It is my duty to always protect our great state. With that in mind, my family and I determined that it is best to make a difference this summer, and I am willing to change things, so that this administration, with its positive agenda, its accomplishments, and its successful road to an incredible future, can continue without interruption and with great administrative and legislative success. I look forward to helping others - to fight for our state and our country, and campaign for those who believe in smaller government, free enterprise, strong national security, support for our troops, and energy independence.” The transfer of power will occur following the Governor’s picnic in Fairbanks on July 26. At that point in time, Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell will be sworn in and Lieutenant General Craig Campbell will assume his role as Lieutenant Governor. Governor Palin will spend July 4th in Juneau.
280 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:28:03pm

re: #244 katemaclaren

She also has a baby who needs her and I think she is very serious about this cause.

She's young. She has kids. And she's become a favorite target. I wouldn't blame her and her family for not wanting to endure more of this for years.

281 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:28:04pm

re: #257 katemaclaren

I agree about the misogyny--but it seems to be WOMEN who are the meanest.

crabs in a bucket...

282 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:28:19pm

re: #264 Gus 802

Correction. Just in case the Grammar Police is reading. //

ARE reading.

Sheesh.

- Grammar Police

283 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:28:25pm

I saw someone mentioned menopause. I had a hysterectomy some years ago and also took anti-estrogen due to the type of breast cancer I had. I remember a workshop at a Pagan festival I went to - it was called "The Accidental Crone." Heh. Anyway, I had instant menopause, do not pass go, do not collect 200 bucks.

It was really weird, because it did change a lot of things about me, but probably not in the way you would guess. I felt like someone was shooting me up with testosterone, to be honest. The weirdest thing was the emotional thing women do sometimes - crying when they get upset, especially, was just - gone. That's when I started understanding why men don't know what to do with themselves when women cry. Obviously, this was not due to anything I did consciously in my mind. There is such a thing as hormonal influences when women get upset - it is not a character flaw and is nothing to be ashamed of.

I have a male friend with an interesting idea - he thinks that as we get older, men get more like women and women get more like men. :D

284 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:28:25pm

re: #269 DEZes

I figured liberals would be dancing around like jihadists after a beheading.

Not really. The diehard partisan liberals were praying she'd be the 2012 candidate because they didn't believe she'd have a chance.

285 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:28:27pm

re: #245 jaunte

There a thought. Here's another. She wrestles Michael Steele from the head of the RNC, and gets our party back on track, making 2010 a blood bath for Dems, and 2012 a REAL landslide with a yet to be discovered Reaganesque candidate.

/ok, a fantasy more than a thought. But it would be cool wouldn't it?

286 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:28:37pm

re: #273 _RememberTonyC

LOL ... I've never been ... but I live vicariously through others

It's great unless you have a lot of cuts on your body or your one who shaves your privates ( no personal knowledge on that one, but I've heard ).

287 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:28:50pm

why couldn't George Bush have resigned and left it for Cheney to fight the libs ?

we'd have been better off, IMHO

288 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:29:01pm

Ed Rollins--"This is a story that's got long legs, and everybody's gonna look hard again..."

Heh.

289 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:29:11pm
290 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:29:14pm

re: #271 nyc redneck

she sounds enthusiastic. she doesn't sound like she is quitting. i bet she goes into the private sector and is very successful. and maybe she will even go back to politics.

She continues to amaze me. She is by far, the most natural politician I've ever seen, largely because she ignores the existence of a fourth wall.

291 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:29:27pm

re: #272 ~Fianna

have you met the Rodhams or Clintons? You know you are a redneck when...

(no offense to rednecks, mind you.)

292 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:29:31pm

I hope she is just blabbing on when she really want's to say is..."fuck you lunatic liberals, I don't have time for your gutter politics and fuck you slimeball MSM...I'm going to be your worst nightmare"...

293 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:29:38pm

re: #270 victor_yugo

Yes.

I hate to think about how much time I spent in the early 70s fiddling with that game using pencil and graph paper. And how much more time I spent in later years writing programs for it on various computers.

Hmmm...I haven't done that in a while, and I've got a brand-new 8-core i7 machine that I haven't done any multithreading on yet...

294 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:29:39pm

re: #277 midwestgak

I floated on the Dead Sea in 1982. It's impossible to sink! The water is so dense with salt. The water feels oily too.

one day i hope to give it a try!

295 twh  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:29:43pm

Just watched her speech on Fox.
My feeling right off the top of my head. In 2012, she is going to look pretty good after 3 years of a community organizer for President.

296 J.S.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:30:24pm

re: #198 unrealizedviewpoint

there was a YouTube video link posted here the other day -- showing Obama stumbling (absolutely off) during one of those townhall meetings on Health Care...I really wonder what would happen to Obama's poll numbers if that clip were played 15 times every day for a week and then presented as if that were "the norm"?

297 gearhead  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:30:43pm

re: #4 Charles

I'm wondering if there's more to this than the 2012 election.

Her speech seemed to focus a lot on energy. Job offer? Running for Senate? Congress? Talk show?

298 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:30:53pm

I wouldn't blame her for not wanting to deal with the constant negativity, and if that's the motivation I wish her the best.

However, if she does plan on running for president, this doesn't seem like the best way to handle that kind of pressure.

299 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:31:26pm

re: #275 Nevergiveup

Just curious, do you remember Carter's family?

They were like the Beverly Hillbillies on acid.

300 gearhead  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:31:27pm

re: #256 midwestgak

Hum. No teleprompter. Knows what to say from the heart and mind.

HAS a heart and mind.

301 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:31:30pm

re: #294 _RememberTonyC

one day i hope to give it a try!

Jump on a plane. it's great. Just keep your mouth closed.

302 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:31:49pm

Gee, she voluntarily goes away and they're already trashing her for it.

/can't win for losing

303 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:32:16pm

re: #286 Nevergiveup

It's great unless you have a lot of cuts on your body or your one who shaves your privates ( no personal knowledge on that one, but I've heard ).


if you're a scaly lizard, is it a pleasant swim? My son said the same thing about the cuts ... he's skinned a lot of knees playing tennis.

304 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:32:18pm

re: #213 victor_yugo

So is post-partum depression, but any doctor who says "deal with it" would rightly be called cruel and callous.

All women go through peri-menopause. Not all women suffer from PPD.

Women have gone through this since the beginning of time. It's a natural process. It may not be pleasant all the time but you get through it, not use it as an excuse.

305 bulwrk  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:32:56pm

re: #299 SixDegrees

Who could forget Billy Beer?

306 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:32:57pm

re: #284 iceweasel

Not really. The diehard partisan liberals were praying she'd be the 2012 candidate because they didn't believe she'd have a chance.

diehard liberals, OTOH get absolutely everything wrong...they can get elected but their total abject failures are exposed...they do have stupid voters and the MSM in their pocket tho...people are gullible aren't they?

307 Code Red 21  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:33:04pm

Part of the problem with being "real" people is that we generally don't want our politicians to be "real" people - we want to see them as the best of us, and even if the Governor herself can inspire that in people, I think that Todd's something of a liability.

We have a person in office now who has a background filled with the most unsavory characters you could ever possibly dream up and Sarah's got a problem?

308 jones  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:33:09pm

re: #295 twh

Just watched her speech on Fox.
My feeling right off the top of my head. In 2012, she is going to look pretty good after 3 years of a community organizer for President.

A woman who worked on problems in the private sector will be oxygen after being stuck in a submarine.

309 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:33:09pm

Write a book Sarah.

/have your say, make millions for your family

310 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:33:34pm

re: #297 gearhead

Her speech seemed to focus a lot on energy. Job offer? Running for Senate? Congress? Talk show?

Talk show, no. She's given the medium a total cold shoulder (thank God). Congress/Senate, maybe, but if she does run, she won't run in 2012 for the Presidency.

She needs experience, so if I were she, I would try to get a high-powered job in the energy sector.

311 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:33:40pm

re: #298 Charles

I wouldn't blame her for not wanting to deal with the constant negativity, and if that's the motivation I wish her the best.

However, if she does plan on running for president, this doesn't seem like the best way to handle that kind of pressure.


I think she probably knows that. She was forever tainted in 2008 and is not viable as a future POTUS. The politics of personal destruction at work.

312 lobo91  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:33:44pm

re: #279 Killgore Trout

From your link:

Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell will be sworn in and Lieutenant General Craig Campbell will assume his role as Lieutenant Governor.

Interesting. The state Adjutant General is becoming the Lt Governor.

Also interesting that Alaska is one of two states I know of (Texas) being the other) that appears to appoint its Adjutant General to 3 star rank. In both cases, they have to put on 2 stars if they leave the state, however, since the Army doesn't recognize the appointments.

313 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:34:06pm

re: #292 albusteve

I hope she is just blabbing on when she really want's to say is..."fuck you lunatic liberals, I don't have time for your gutter politics and fuck you slimeball MSM...I'm going to be your worst nightmare"...

Oh gosh, so deep felt. Thanks.

314 chedgeman  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:34:22pm

re: #298 Charles

Perhaps, but if the new freedom allows her to go on the offense than that is a positive.

315 J.S.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:34:36pm

re: #302 Killian Bundy

CBC is adding to the list of "the reasons her critics hated her" -- this time, it was all due to her Alaskan accent...yeah, that's it.

316 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:34:52pm

re: #303 _RememberTonyC

if you're a scaly lizard, is it a pleasant swim? My son said the same thing about the cuts ... he's skinned a lot of knees playing tennis.

it's fun. This time of year it is really hot and dry. You can climb Massada near by. Swim in a fresh stream almost next door in Ein Gedi. And still have dinner in Jerusalem that night. Ain't no place in the world like it.

317 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:35:07pm

The MSM just experienced an accidental discharge in their pants.

318 gearhead  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:35:16pm

re: #302 Killian Bundy

Gee, she voluntarily goes away and they're already trashing her for it.

/can't win for losing

If she discovered the cure for cancer, her opponent would find a way to trash her for it.

319 ~Fianna  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:35:18pm

re: #275 Nevergiveup

Just curious, do you remember Carter's family?

Only Billy beer, and that's only from pictures.

We also didn't have the 24-7 news cycle and the internet back then. What wouldn't have made the 6:00 news because it wasn't actually news almost 30 years ago gets endlessly dissected now because there's hours and gigabytes of bandwith to fill.

320 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:35:23pm

re: #305 bulwrk

Who could forget Billy Beer?

That was the nastiest crap ever canned.

321 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:35:29pm

re: #272 ~Fianna

The issues with Todd's family and the trooper thing, for one. Todd being cc'd on all her emails. The DWIs. His half-sister getting arrested for burglary, etc.

I discount the drug rumors because they're just rumors... but it still isn't good for her that he seems like the kind of person that you can spread those sorts of rumors about. From what I've been able to determine about Todd, not knowing him personally, of course, is that he doesn't seem to have the best judgment.

Palin herself seems like a fairly classy lady, but Todd's family seems a little... out of control?

Part of the problem with being "real" people is that we generally don't want our politicians to be "real" people - we want to see them as the best of us, and even if the Governor herself can inspire that in people, I think that Todd's something of a liability.

I didn't hold Billy Carter against Jimmy nor have I held any politician's sibling's actions against the politician.

322 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:35:31pm

re: #290 vbspurs

She continues to amaze me. She is by far, the most natural politician I've ever seen, largely because she ignores the existence of a fourth wall.

she is the biggest threat the libs have seen since reagan

323 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:35:47pm

re: #283 Cattt

I have a male friend with an interesting idea - he thinks that as we get older, men get more like women and women get more like men. :D

...and people of all colors turn kinda gray, and resemble each other more.

324 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:35:52pm

re: #298 Charles

I wouldn't blame her for not wanting to deal with the constant negativity, and if that's the motivation I wish her the best.

However, if she does plan on running for president, this doesn't seem like the best way to handle that kind of pressure.

It also indicates that she was not capable of being in the White House as VP. The pressure and scrutiny she's undergoing is nothing compared to what she'd be dealing with if she was VP.

325 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:35:56pm

If she makes the compelling case of the negative character stuff causing her to rethink it's impact on her family and negatively impacting Alaska sucking her bandwidth and funding away, then she can come out on top of this. This is not the path to the presidency however.

I am awaiting her next move or statement. She's been full of some surprises so far.

326 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:36:03pm
327 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:36:05pm

re: #301 Nevergiveup

Jump on a plane. it's great. Just keep your mouth closed.


my next stop is bermuda ... I wonder if I will run into one of the uighers?

328 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:36:21pm

re: #307 Code Red 21

Again, let me remind you of the Clinton clan and Hillary's family of wierdos. Someone else mentioned the Carters. Todd is no more a liability than Hillary was - assuming it's played right.

329 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:36:39pm

re: #298 Charles

I wouldn't blame her for not wanting to deal with the constant negativity, and if that's the motivation I wish her the best.

However, if she does plan on running for president, this doesn't seem like the best way to handle that kind of pressure.

Palin is a "get things done" kinda gal. She has found that having a title and office in politics isn't the best avenue to getting things done efficiently, IMHO.

Private sector work. Like all of us. Get things done.

330 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:36:44pm

re: #306 albusteve

diehard liberals, OTOH get absolutely everything wrong...they can get elected but their total abject failures are exposed...they do have stupid voters and the MSM in their pocket tho...people are gullible aren't they?

I'd argue that both parties have their share of stupid voters, and that the MSM sucks no matter who it happens to be pandering to -- or deciding it should wave pitchforks at.

331 freedomplow  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:36:44pm

She's popular enough to survive stepping down. Rove!

332 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:36:52pm

Chuck Heath Jr, Palin's adored older brother, allegedly found out about the resignation the same time as all of us.

This isn't good. This might have been boiling in her for a while (maybe the Letterman thing was the last straw), but this decision has a lot of "sudden earthquake" behind it.

333 gearhead  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:37:05pm

re: #310 vbspurs

Talk show, no. She's given the medium a total cold shoulder (thank God). Congress/Senate, maybe, but if she does run, she won't run in 2012 for the Presidency.

She needs experience, so if I were she, I would try to get a high-powered job in the energy sector.

I think you're right. That's really what her speech sounded like to me.

334 calcajun  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:37:08pm

Either something very bad is about to break or she has decided she has had enough of the BS. This is very odd indeed. She will not be a candidate in 2012 --this shows that she is a quitter.

335 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:37:16pm

re: #324 Killgore Trout

It also indicates that she was not capable of being in the White House as VP. The pressure and scrutiny she's undergoing is nothing compared to what she'd be dealing with if she was VP.

That could be true if we knew why she resigned. It might not indicate anything of the sort, though.

336 iceman1960  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:37:19pm

I would bet she got tired of paying to fight off ethics charges. The Palin's aren't wealthy people.
Like she said it doesn't cost a dime to slime someone but it does to clean up the mess.
This is the problem with politics today.

337 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:37:23pm

re: #324 Killgore Trout

It also indicates that she was not capable of being in the White House as VP. The pressure and scrutiny she's undergoing is nothing compared to what she'd be dealing with if she was VP.

Bullshit. That is not what she said.

338 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:37:33pm

re: #324 Killgore Trout

It also indicates that she was not capable of being in the White House as VP. The pressure and scrutiny she's undergoing is nothing compared to what she'd be dealing with if she was VP.

oh bullshit...this proves nothing of the sort...you have PDS bad

339 yochanan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:37:41pm

O.T.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

AMEN.

340 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:37:47pm

Now CNN is back on Michael Jackson... extremely disappointing.

341 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:37:49pm

re: #324 Killgore Trout

It also indicates that she was not capable of being in the White House as VP. The pressure and scrutiny she's undergoing is nothing compared to what she'd be dealing with if she was VP.

What is Biden dealing with?

342 Code Red 21  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:38:13pm

re: #307 Code Red 21

Part of the problem with being "real" people is that we generally don't want our politicians to be "real" people - we want to see them as the best of us, and even if the Governor herself can inspire that in people, I think that Todd's something of a liability.

Darn it I forgot to put who I was responding to- 272 Fionna


We have a person in office now who has a background filled with the most unsavory characters you could ever possibly dream up and Sarah's got a problem?

343 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:38:21pm

re: #324 Killgore Trout

It also indicates that she was not capable of being in the White House as VP. The pressure and scrutiny she's undergoing is nothing compared to what she'd be dealing with if she was VP.

Rachel Maddow to sneeringly mention that had Palin been elected VP, she would've resigned her office and left us all in the lurch in 3-2-1...

344 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:38:36pm
345 MSM  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:38:37pm

re: #317 Racer X

The MSM just experienced an accidental discharge in their pants.

I assure you that it was intentional.

346 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:38:42pm

re: #324 Killgore Trout

It also indicates that she was not capable of being in the White House as VP. The pressure and scrutiny she's undergoing is nothing compared to what she'd be dealing with if she was VP.

And Joe Biden is under "pressure and scrutiny" by the MSM? Please, show me how this is the case and I will gladly review that information.

347 pink freud  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:38:43pm

re: #334 calcajun

Either something very bad is about to break or she has decided she has had enough of the BS. This is very odd indeed. She will not be a candidate in 2012 --this shows that she is a quitter.

Hard cold non-emotional analysis there. Agreed.

348 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:39:02pm

re: #330 iceweasel

I'd argue that both parties have their share of stupid voters, and that the MSM sucks no matter who it happens to be pandering to -- or deciding it should wave pitchforks at.

of course you would say so...

349 ~Fianna  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:39:04pm

re: #291 ArmyWife

have you met the Rodhams or Clintons? You know you are a redneck when...

(no offense to rednecks, mind you.)

Everyone's got one in the family (at least). The internet makes it much easier for everyone to find out about them.

350 yochanan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:39:18pm

re: #340 BigPapa

Read my link one above yours.

351 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:39:21pm

re: #341 Racer X

What is Biden dealing with?

re: #344 buzzsawmonkey

Right--because Biden has been subjected to unrelenting pressure and scrutiny.

//

Up dings!

352 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:39:22pm

Related, in a way:

Media Lizzy Dismissed by Politics Daily:Playboy’s Hate F*** List Strikes Again


For those of you who followed the saga of the Playboy “Hate F*** List,” its deletion by Playboy (then by Politico), my firing from Politics Daily, and its Editor-in-Chief’s campaign of lies to cover it up, there is a newer, sadder, much more unjust wrinkle to this story. You may recall that Media Lizzy played a pivotal role in outing Melinda Henneberger as a liar, providing a smoking-gun email that detailed Politic’s Daily’s internal decision not to address the Playboy story at all.


...

As of this writing, Politics Daily hasn’t explained the dismissal. I checked with other Hot Seat contributors, and none of them have been let go, although that may change if Melinda wants to cover her tracks again.

There are multiple ironies here, but chief among them is that this is an achievement of the Playboy article’s mission, to harm and marginalize conservative women. In this case, it has managed to do so to a wonderful woman who was spared inclusion on the original list.

Keep in mind that Mr. Christopher is NOT a conservative - and that he was fired from AOL right after he strongly criticized a misogynistic rant in Playboy that was just extremely awful - Charles linked to the coverage, iirc. Basically, it was a list of women Playboy thought it would be fun to rape.

353 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:39:25pm

re: #335 wrenchwench

That could be true if we knew why she resigned. It might not indicate anything of the sort, though.

Exactly. It's entirely possible that there is some devastating personal reason going on-- an illness or some family tragedy. I hope not, but we just don't know. This might not even have anything to do with politics.

354 brookly red  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:39:48pm

re: #340 BigPapa

Now CNN is back on Michael Jackson... extremely disappointing.

well that proves no scandal...

355 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:39:51pm

re: #321 MandyManners

I didn't hold Billy Carter against Jimmy nor have I held any politician's sibling's actions against the politician.


i held it against him when the "patron saint of islamofascism" allowed billy to go to libya. that was bullshit.

356 jvic  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:40:16pm

re: #220 Killian Bundy

Live feed on FOX.

/sounds like she's just pissed, with $500K in legal bills

If the national GOP didn't helped one of its brightest rising stars (who happens not to be personally wealthy) deal with six- or seven-figure legal bills caused by opposition harassment, the Republicans are even more clueless than I thought.

Surely there is more to the situation than has come out so far.
***
As I said in the other thread, whatever brings Mike Huckabee closer to the Oval Office is a bad thing.

357 gatorbait  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:40:22pm

She is one hell of a classy dame and I wish her all the best life has to offer. Should she choose to stay in politics, she will always have my support. She is the best kind of person: honest, sincere, principled, and courageous.

358 Irish Rose  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:40:24pm

Sarah Palin is a sharp, savvy, direct. and extremely capable female politician who belongs in Washington, not Wasilla.

Whatever is going on, I wish their family well... they've been the ongoing target of one of the most vicious, rabid smear campaigns that I've ever seen emerge from the American left.

359 eon  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:40:26pm

re: #292 albusteve

I hope she is just blabbing on when she really want's to say is..."fuck you lunatic liberals, I don't have time for your gutter politics and fuck you slimeball MSM...I'm going to be your worst nightmare"...

That's sort of what I was thinking. I was also thinking of Reagan's Labor Secretary, Raymond Donovan, who was forced to resign his post by scattershot charges of "corruption", malfeasance in office, etc. After he was found innocent in court, Donovan said, "What court do I go to to get my good name back?"

The media weren't interested, as he was "yesterday's news" once he was found to be... honest.

I'm wondering if Governor Palin might not be thinking of the fact that, while as a sitting Governor the only thing she could do about the headhunters who keep trying to put her on their wall as a trophy is to "grin and bear it", as a private citizen she can sue them for libel and slander and, if she wins, collect punitive damages at least equal to her legal costs.

In effect, using the old Galactic Patrol Lensman procedure; "Prove it! Prove it or retract it!"

And of course, if she can show her "pursuers" up in court to be both lying, and politically motivated, consider how that might affect the playing field in 2010 and 2012.

/just thinking...

cheers

eon

360 MSM  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:40:54pm

re: #340 BigPapa

Now CNN is back on Michael Jackson... extremely disappointing.

Don't worry. I'll be back before you can say "shovel". There is much work to be done, and this will be the most politically charged independence Day you have seen in twenty-five years.

361 Code Red 21  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:41:12pm

re: #328 ArmyWife

Again, let me remind you of the Clinton clan and Hillary's family of wierdos. Someone else mentioned the Carters. Todd is no more a liability than Hillary was - assuming it's played right.

I was quoting 272 Fionna and screwed it up. Believe me I am someone who admires Sarah.

362 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:41:26pm

re: #341 Racer X

What is Biden dealing with?

how to find the closet door...

363 jones  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:41:58pm

This is getting odder. She just signed with the Vikings as their QB.

364 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:42:06pm

The one way MSM won't spin this announcement, is the way it SHOULD be reported:

"Independence Day for Sarah Palin"

365 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:42:20pm
366 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:42:26pm

Biden or Palin . . .

/who would you rather go to war with?

367 iceman1960  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:42:35pm

I believe that she has the best intention for her state and being the target she is more could get done if she stepped aside with all the distractions.
I could understand why most would think the worst. The state of modern politics has programmed us to have that response.
But I really doubt if her political career is over.

368 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:42:39pm

Had Biden been a Republican they would have destroyed him over his "Indians" working at "7-11s" video. They also would have never stopped at his plagiarism scandal.

Don't equate Palin with Biden.

369 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:42:40pm

re: #319 ~Fianna

Only Billy beer, and that's only from pictures.

We also didn't have the 24-7 news cycle and the internet back then. What wouldn't have made the 6:00 news because it wasn't actually news almost 30 years ago gets endlessly dissected now because there's hours and gigabytes of bandwith to fill.

Not to mention no camera phones, no Twitter, no instant knowledge delivered directly to us by our comrades - with no need for an intermediary. Talk about "cat's out of the bag."

370 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:42:44pm

re: #356 jvic

If the national GOP didn't helped one of its brightest rising stars (who happens not to be personally wealthy) deal with six- or seven-figure legal bills caused by opposition harassment, the Republicans are even more clueless than I thought.

Not only that-- if the GOP wouldn't help one of its rising stars out with what is (by the standards of campaigns and fundraisers) a small amount of money-- what does that say about their commitment to work for her in 2012? Weird.

371 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:42:53pm

re: #324 Killgore Trout

It also indicates that she was not capable of being in the White House as VP. The pressure and scrutiny she's undergoing is nothing compared to what she'd be dealing with if she was VP.

If Obama and his family had been given the kind of scrutiny she was given, would he have been up to it? If they had attacked Malia and Sasha, gone after Michelle and dug through his trash, would he have been up to it? He snapped at a reporter over a stinking waffle.

372 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:42:54pm

re: #341 Racer X

What is Biden dealing with?


besides being a stupid bastard with bad hair plugs who lets Obama ship him all over the globe?

373 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:43:03pm

re: #363 jones

This is getting odder. She just signed with the Vikings as their QB.

The veteran journalist, Adela Rogers St. John, once said that the Duchess of Windsor could've played left tackle for the Vikings.

374 jaunte  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:43:26pm

re: #328 ArmyWife

Again, let me remind you of the Clinton clan and Hillary's family of wierdos. Someone else mentioned the Carters. Todd is no more a liability than Hillary was - assuming it's played right.

I understand that there is a political "Kennedy" family some of whose elected members have been known to have substance abuse problems.
/

375 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:43:40pm

re: #365 Killgore Trout

Koskidz have the video...
(Video) MELTDOWN: Palin Blames Media/Bloggers

Who cares what Daily Kos thinks.

376 MSM  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:43:59pm

re: #359 eon

After he was found innocent in court, Donovan said, "What court do I go to to get my good name back?"

Any court in the land, if I am on your side.

377 Grand Poobah  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:44:06pm

re: #175 MandyManners

Why not? It's a smart move.

How is releasing a parcel of information that could potentially hamper the GOP's efforts even more be a smart move?

It really is a shame the GOP members can't behave itself properly. You'd think that politicians would only have to be concerned with getting reelected and would concern themselves only with thus. (I'm not referencing Palin, whom I quite like. I'm referring to the governor who deserted his post a few weeks back.)

Democrats seem to play that game a lot better than the GOP. The amount of susceptible idiots wired straight into the mainstream media doesn't help their case much either.

378 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:44:29pm

re: #362 albusteve

how to remove duck tape residue.

379 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:44:42pm

re: #375 Gus 802

This should keep them busy for some time.

380 ~Fianna  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:44:59pm

re: #307 Code Red 21

Part of the problem with being "real" people is that we generally don't want our politicians to be "real" people - we want to see them as the best of us, and even if the Governor herself can inspire that in people, I think that Todd's something of a liability.

We have a person in office now who has a background filled with the most unsavory characters you could ever possibly dream up and Sarah's got a problem?

Thus sayth the spin machine.

I think the people Sarah Palin appeals to really find her appealing. I think the ones that don't find her appealing don't. The rest of the country looks at the newspapers or the internet and makes a decision based on something fairly stupid.

Also, the Obama campaign did a better job of handling those types of background issues then the McCain campaign did. I don't think McCain's team vetted enough and I don't think they knew what issues might come up to plan in advance, so they didn't have a strategy and just went with it.

The McCain team from everything that I heard was exceptionally disorganized - quite the opposite of the Bush campaign team. Conflicting messages, crazy stunts, leaks all over the place... Just an absolute mess.

381 Irish Rose  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:44:59pm

re: #371 EmmmieG

If Obama and his family had been given the kind of scrutiny she was given, would he have been up to it? If they had attacked Malia and Sasha, gone after Michelle and dug through his trash, would he have been up to it? He snapped at a reporter over a stinking waffle.

Well stated.

382 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:45:01pm

re: #365 Killgore Trout

Koskidz have the video...
(Video) MELTDOWN: Palin Blames Media/Bloggers

Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit. --It was no meltdown

383 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:45:06pm

re: #359 eon

That's sort of what I was thinking. I was also thinking of Reagan's Labor Secretary, Raymond Donovan, who was forced to resign his post by scattershot charges of "corruption", malfeasance in office, etc. After he was found innocent in court, Donovan said, "What court do I go to to get my good name back?"

The media weren't interested, as he was "yesterday's news" once he was found to be... honest.

I'm wondering if Governor Palin might not be thinking of the fact that, while as a sitting Governor the only thing she could do about the headhunters who keep trying to put her on their wall as a trophy is to "grin and bear it", as a private citizen she can sue them for libel and slander and, if she wins, collect punitive damages at least equal to her legal costs.

In effect, using the old Galactic Patrol Lensman procedure; "Prove it! Prove it or retract it!"

And of course, if she can show her "pursuers" up in court to be both lying, and politically motivated, consider how that might affect the playing field in 2010 and 2012.

excellent point...what a hoot if the left leaves her for dead and she has a surprise up her sleeve...what an irresistable story that would make

384 JarHeadLifer  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:45:07pm

re: #14 BigPapa

This is bad for Palin. Quitting 18 months out, after we just savaged Sanford for leaving 4 days without his staff knowing where he was... not good.

Perfectly put. As they say, she's done, put a fork in her.

I can't say that I'm terribly put off by it either. She's loved by the base, but hated by the middle. She would have guaranteed Obama's next term.

385 jorline  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:45:29pm

re: #363 jones

This is getting odder. She just signed with the Vikings as their QB.

Perhaps she needs to rethink the QB position...that was a monster punt she just got off.
/

386 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:45:32pm

Byron York on Fox just quoted some Republicans as saying, "Gee, I wish she had more than JUST one and a half years as Governor", when she was running for VP.

Reminds me of something I said about Barack Obama when he ran for the freaking Presidency.

387 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:46:21pm

re: #374 jaunte

I've heard this rumor as well. Also understand this same family had issues with a woman who may have drown, and in more recent history, the murder of a neighbor while a teen and some sex charges for other family members.

388 MSM  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:46:21pm

re: #370 iceweasel

Not only that-- if the GOP wouldn't help one of its rising stars out with what is (by the standards of campaigns and fundraisers) a small amount of money-- what does that say about their commitment to work for her in 2012? Weird.

Yes, there's always a fear that it just might be contagious. It's not the money--it's the price.

389 gearhead  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:46:46pm

She could raise a lot of personal wealth thru public speaking and books. Could also raise a lot of political capital helping other campaign for 2010.

390 Buck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:46:48pm

OT:

Iranian Sex Offender-Free Man in Winnipeg-Still a threat to girls-But Canadian Government won't Deport him to Iran.

Michael McPhelan of the Immigration and Refugee Board said he wasn't convinced Noedost will not reoffend. "I have concerns that you are dangerous to the public in Canada," McPhelan said via video conference from Vancouver to a Winnipeg courtroom.

"The way you have conducted yourself in Canada is despicable. You are a danger to girls under 18."

But McPhelan added, "The need to protect the Canadian public is outweighed by the risk you face in your country of origin."

What! For the record: NOTHING outweighs the need to protect the Canadian public.

Greg Glatz
[Link: blog.rocknrollpreacher.com...]

391 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:47:16pm

re: #375 Gus 802

Who cares what Daily Kos thinks.

why Killgore Troutski of course

392 pink freud  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:47:29pm

re: #375 Gus 802

Who cares what Daily Kos thinks.

Or Media Matters. David Brock. Niewert. Think Progress. Huffpo.

The list is long.

393 jaunte  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:47:33pm

re: #387 ArmyWife

Of course, none of that matters, it's just Chinatown Washington.

394 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:47:39pm

re: #355 _RememberTonyC

i held it against him when the "patron saint of islamofascism" allowed billy to go to libya. that was bullshit.

I'd forgotten that.

395 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:47:46pm

The left hated Sarah Palin because they thought she was incompetent and they feared she would impose her beliefs on them.

The right hates Obama because he has no experience, is surrounded by radical leftists, and promised he would destroy America and enact socialism.

Only one lived up to the expectations.

396 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:47:54pm

re: #341 Racer X

What is Biden dealing with?

What planet are you from? The press isn't going to treat Palin the same as Biden. VP is not an easy job, and the national media would be very tough on her.

397 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:47:56pm

re: #390 Buck

You guys are crazier up there than we are down here. G-D save us all.

398 ~Fianna  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:48:40pm

re: #321 MandyManners

I didn't hold Billy Carter against Jimmy nor have I held any politician's sibling's actions against the politician.

I wish more people were like that. Every campaign I've ever worked on, I've heard the most inane stuff from voters. Don't like their hair, their skin color, their spouse, who they worked for, their sister was mean to me in high school, so I'll never vote for one of that family, lived here too long, haven't lived here long enough, don't like their accent... It's actually really depressing to see how people make such an important decision.

I don't think I've ever voted a party line ticket. I vote for the person whom I think will do the best job. I even skip a race if I don't think I know enough about the candidates to make a good decision. Most people don't seem to do that.

399 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:48:49pm
400 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:48:50pm

re: #389 gearhead

She could raise a lot of personal wealth thru public speaking and books. Could also raise a lot of political capital helping other campaign for 2010.

she will be swimming in money if she wants...haha!...who's the joke on now?

401 Irish Rose  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:48:50pm

re: #384 JarHeadLifer

Loved by the base and hated by the middle?
I'm in the middle, and I think Ms. Palin is a helluva politician.

I refuse to demonize her because she happens to also be a woman of faith, like to many in the "center" seem willing to do.

402 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:49:09pm

re: #389 gearhead

She could raise a lot of personal wealth thru public speaking and books. Could also raise a lot of political capital helping other campaign for 2010.

Dude, she needs a political machine behind her, not a maverick-y path to the Presidency. How will kingmaking Republicans handle this spitfire? I think they'd rather have a milksop like Romney, whom they can control.

403 Conservative Moonbat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:49:15pm

If she's quitting because she couldn't handle the media pressure, it doesn't reflect well on her ability to handle the pressure of leading the nation.

just sayin'

404 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:49:31pm

I agree with the substantial amount of respect for Palin. She's very personable and genuine, something lacking in politics overall. She's withstood the onslaught probably better than most. However, it's very risky if she really wants to run for Pres.

405 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:49:38pm

re: #377 Grand Poobah

How is releasing a parcel of information that could potentially hamper the GOP's efforts even more be a smart move?

It really is a shame the GOP members can't behave itself properly. You'd think that politicians would only have to be concerned with getting reelected and would concern themselves only with thus. (I'm not referencing Palin, whom I quite like. I'm referring to the governor who deserted his post a few weeks back.)

Democrats seem to play that game a lot better than the GOP. The amount of susceptible idiots wired straight into the mainstream media doesn't help their case much either.

It's the timing of the news cycle. This is a holiday weekend.

406 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:50:16pm

G.R. says :
I don’t know if it has anything to do with her decision, but she’s been subjected — along with her family — to more abuse than any other non-national-officeholder I can think of.


wow - a leftist who isn't a jerk?

407 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:50:25pm

re: #285 ArmyWife

There a thought. Here's another. She wrestles Michael Steele from the head of the RNC, and gets our party back on track, making 2010 a blood bath for Dems, and 2012 a REAL landslide with a yet to be discovered Reaganesque candidate.

/ok, a fantasy more than a thought. But it would be cool wouldn't it?


If there is no big scandal, I think you have a good point. Keeps her in the spot light, she has proved not to be afraid to go after her own party, and if she makes 2010 a bloodbath (PLEASE!) she would be right on top for 2012. She will have to fight Romney for it, though. The Republicans have a pecking order. Unfortunately.

408 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:50:41pm

re: #391 albusteve

why Killgore Troutski of course

... and using the word "Koskidz" seems to also have an endearing tone. Yuck.

409 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:50:41pm

re: #402 vbspurs

Dude, she needs a political machine behind her, not a maverick-y path to the Presidency. How will kingmaking Republicans handle this spitfire? I think they'd rather have a milksop like Romney, whom they can control.

If they could control Romney, he would have changed religions, since his LDS faith is his greatest liability, outside of Utah and Southern Idaho.

410 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:50:51pm

if only the democrats could defend their country as vigorously as they defend their party

if only the republicans would defend themselves

411 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:51:07pm

so the DNC spokesperson kicked her on the way out ...

what a motherfucking asshole

412 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:51:11pm

re: #396 Killgore Trout

What planet are you from? The press isn't going to treat Palin the same as Biden. VP is not an easy job, and the national media would be very tough on her.

ha!...Joe is sure working his ass off isn't he?...it's as easy as the POTUS makes it...speculating what the MSM might do is irrelevent

413 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:51:30pm

re: #396 Killgore Trout

What planet are you from? The press isn't going to treat Palin the same as Biden. VP is not an easy job, and the national media would be very tough on her.

Egg-fucking-exactly!

Mother fuckers!

414 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:51:32pm

re: #404 BigPapa

I agree with the substantial amount of respect for Palin. She's very personable and genuine, something lacking in politics overall. She's withstood the onslaught probably better than most. However, it's very risky if she really wants to run for Pres.

This could be written in stone, as the perfect commentary on Sarah Palin.

415 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:52:07pm

re: #399 buzzsawmonkey

From their caption to the video: "In a disaster that will rank with Richard Nixon’s infamous, "think what you’ll be missing, you won’t have Nixon to kick around, anymore," Governor Kooky resigned from office..."

"A disaster?" Nixon became President after he made that speech.

that's history dood...move along

416 bulwrk  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:52:16pm

re: #324 Killgore Trout

It also indicates that she was not capable of being in the White House as VP. The pressure and scrutiny she's undergoing is nothing compared to what she'd be dealing with if she was VP.

Come on Killgore it proves no such thing.I believe the White House provides a far different level of cover than the State House of Alaska.

417 jaunte  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:52:31pm

re: #406 FrogMarch

G.R. says :
I don’t know if it has anything to do with her decision, but she’s been subjected — along with her family — to more abuse than any other non-national-officeholder I can think of.

wow - a leftist who isn't a jerk?

Good link, I hope some more people read and absorb it:

The commonplace claim that Sarah Palin is some kind of godbag warrior who rails against premarital sex is simply false.

Bristol Palin, bless her heart, does seem to have decided after a few months of motherhood that abstinence is definitely the best policy. That isn’t hypocrisy, either; it’s obviously a response to her own experience.

Stop lying. Just stop it.

418 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:52:51pm

Wow. Huckabee on Fox sounds like he's on cloud nine. Says it all.

419 MSM  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:52:53pm

re: #402 vbspurs

Dude, she needs a political machine behind her, not a maverick-y path to the Presidency. How will kingmaking Republicans handle this spitfire? I think they'd rather have a milksop like Romney, whom they can control.

Yes, that old milksop Romney. It is important to repeat this point often--that despite his so-called experience at running a state, several successful businesses, and even the Olympics, he was only doing the bidding of unseen forces. A puppet, really.

420 JarHeadLifer  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:53:21pm

re: #401 Irish Rose

Loved by the base and hated by the middle?
I'm in the middle, and I think Ms. Palin is a helluva politician.

I refuse to demonize her because she happens to also be a woman of faith, like to many in the "center" seem willing to do.

You are in the minority of the middle, at least according to the polls that I've seen. And, It wasn't Palin's strong faith or her unabashed pro-life position that put me off. It was her inability to manage interviews effectively with the likes of lightweights like Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric.

And, if you can't debate and destroy practically retarded Joe Biden, then you've got some problems grasping issues and articulating policy positions in a compelling and engaging way.

421 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:53:29pm

Here is a link to Media Lizzy's blog, in case you want to support her or follow her. She's a beautiful, conservative blogger on politics who happened to be excluded from the Playboy hit list (Gov. Palin was included in that list).

If you are on Twitter, follow her at MediaLizzy.

422 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:53:31pm

re: #347 pink freud

Hard cold non-emotional analysis there. Agreed.

I do not agree. Like not predicting this event, we can't predict 2012. There may be another reason--a tragedy--that she thinks is no one's business.
Maybe she's pregnant!
Maybe she has breast cancer.
Maybe her husband is sick and tired of the money drain--perhaps this has affected his family business.
I, for one, appreciate her candor and her genuine emotion. Reading those e-mails (McCain campaign) I can see how she should have been the candidate and NOT McCain. Additionally, if anyone brings up "lack of international affairs experience" I will laugh out loud--like we have some now who had the experience or knew one gd thing about international relations.

423 lobo91  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:53:35pm

re: #392 pink freud

Or Media Matters. David Brock. Niewert. Think Progress. Huffpo.

The list is long.

Funnly how most of it leads back to George Soros, too...

424 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:53:48pm

re: #399 buzzsawmonkey

The stupid is sometimes so strong there, no?

425 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:54:00pm

Now I know why Sarah threw in the towel.

Fuckers just beat her down until she could take no more. Bastards.

426 brookly red  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:54:04pm

/Could the timing of this have anything to do with O's up-coming meeting with Putin... may Biden leaked it to her that we are giving Alaska back?

427 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:54:08pm

re: #409 EmmmieG

If they could control Romney, he would have changed religions, since his LDS faith is his greatest liability, outside of Utah and Southern Idaho.

You know, I don't get that LDS thing people have against him. I just don't think Americans could care less about a person's religion. I think that died in 1960.

428 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:54:58pm

re: #403 Conservative Moonbat

If she's quitting because she couldn't handle the media pressure, it doesn't reflect well on her ability to handle the pressure of leading the nation.

just sayin'

Is Sarah Palin the typical politician? Is Sarah Palin a quiter? Has Sarah Palin's record indicated either? {Trig}

just sayin'

429 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:55:10pm

Really pissed off.

checking out.

430 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:55:28pm

re: #427 vbspurs

You know, I don't get that LDS thing people have against him. I just don't think Americans could care less about a person's religion. I think that died in 1960.

yep, I see nothing wrong with a religion that allows MEN to have their own planet when they die, and to populate it with as many women as they want

/whistling...

431 Irish Rose  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:55:47pm

re: #425 Racer X

Now I know why Sarah threw in the towel.

Fuckers just beat her down until she could take no more. Bastards.

You don't know that.

432 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:55:51pm

re: #420 JarHeadLifer

She did exactly what the McCain camp told her to do. If you followed the campaign at all, you would have noticed she came out strong, then was reined in, then said "f'um" and went back to her old self. She ran circles around Biden in the debate - you think Katie Couric should have been a problem? McCain was the problem.

433 kilroy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:55:57pm

I'm going to see Sarah in our 4th of July parade tomorrow--I'll ask her, what's up?

434 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:55:58pm

re: #421 Cattt

Here is a link to Media Lizzy's blog, in case you want to support her or follow her. She's a beautiful, conservative blogger on politics who happened to be excluded from the Playboy hit list (Gov. Palin was included in that list).

If you are on Twitter, follow her at MediaLizzy.

Thanks Cattt! I will definitely go there.

435 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:56:16pm
436 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:56:28pm

re: #419 MSM

A puppet, really.

You misunderstand. He's not a puppet to control, but rather a guy who isn't a loose cannon (as some people perceive Sarah Palin to be). Hope I am clearer now.

437 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:56:51pm

re: #391 albusteve

Sorry but they have the video of her statement. If you don't want to watch it you don't have to. You guys are extra angry and bitter today.

438 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:57:14pm

re: #420 JarHeadLifer

You are in the minority of the middle, at least according to the polls that I've seen. And, It wasn't Palin's strong faith or her unabashed pro-life position that put me off. It was her inability to manage interviews effectively with the likes of lightweights like Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric.

And, if you can't debate and destroy practically retarded Joe Biden, then you've got some problems grasping issues and articulating policy positions in a compelling and engaging way.

She DID debate and destroy Joe Biden. It was great.

439 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:57:42pm

re: #411 _RememberTonyC

so the DNC spokesperson kicked her on the way out ...

what a motherfucking asshole

this is what I refered to:

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

440 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:58:04pm

re: #428 midwestgak

Is Sarah Palin the typical politician? Is Sarah Palin a quiter? Has Sarah Palin's record indicated either? {Trig}

just sayin'

That's a good point. The woman is a bulldog as far as her record shows. We shall just have to wait and see, because it is pretty damn hard to predict what a unique person will do. We tend to predict along standard lines, and there is no such thing as a standard life - no one has a crystal ball that actually works.

441 brookly red  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:58:37pm

re: #430 Adrenalyn

yep, I see nothing wrong with a religion that allows MEN to have their own planet when they die, and to populate it with as many women as they want

/whistling...


/but they can't drink or eat pork...

442 bulwrk  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:59:15pm

It doesn't seem like the RNC ever made much of an effort to defend her from attacks either,I am not very happy with them right now.

443 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:59:46pm

re: #430 Adrenalyn

yep, I see nothing wrong with a religion that allows MEN to have their own planet when they die, and to populate it with as many women as they want

/whistling...

I have no problems with a mainstream Muslim running for the Presidency. It's extremists of any religious persuasion that should be anathema.

444 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:59:49pm

re: #437 Killgore Trout

Sorry but they have the video of her statement. If you don't want to watch it you don't have to. You guys are extra angry and bitter today.

Actually Killgore, your comments have been extra disgusting today. Good job.

445 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:59:50pm

re: #442 bulwrk

It doesn't seem like the RNC ever made much of an effort to defend her from attacks either,I am not very happy with them right now.


McCain should be ashamed of himself.

446 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 1:59:58pm

re: #437 Killgore Trout

Sorry but they have the video of her statement. If you don't want to watch it you don't have to. You guys are extra angry and bitter today.

I saw the entire video on FOX--and she is strong, confident and tough as nails. She has made a decision--she's sticking to it--she gave some serious reasons for her decision--and in plain English with no teleprompter. This may distract KOZZIES from Michael Jackson's funeral--and even the North Korean missile launch.

447 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:00:03pm

re: #418 vbspurs

Wow. Huckabee on Fox sounds like he's on cloud nine. Says it all.

He is such a m***erf***er.

448 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:00:34pm

re: #441 brookly red

/but they can't drink or eat pork...

I don't drink pork either.
/

449 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:00:43pm

re: #437 Killgore Trout

Sorry but they have the video of her statement. If you don't want to watch it you don't have to. You guys are extra angry and bitter today.

I hope everyone watches the video of her statement, anywhere they can find it.

450 yochanan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:00:54pm
451 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:01:29pm

re: #427 vbspurs

You know, I don't get that LDS thing people have against him. I just don't think Americans could care less about a person's religion. I think that died in 1960.

And of course, no one is homophobic any more...///

452 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:01:38pm

re: #441 brookly red

/but they can't drink or eat pork...

and they can't associate with people NOT of their faith

I was excluded from my own brother's wedding, for example

the republicans would do well to cast Romney aside soon
I am sure he could be a fine man, but the religion "thing" is never going to bet let go of by the democrats, I mean the media, I mean...

453 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:01:41pm

re: #447 Cattt

I don't agree. He's a normal, nice man. He was a good governor. He has a good sense of humor and is not right for the presidency, but there is no reason to diss him.

454 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:01:56pm

re: #441 brookly red

/but they can't drink or eat pork...

re: #443 vbspurs

I have no problems with a mainstream Muslim running for the Presidency. It's extremists of any religious persuasion that should be anathema.

Adrenalyn has a grudge against the LDS. I don't think he was referring to Muslims.

455 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:01:58pm

re: #449 iceweasel

I hope everyone watches the video of her statement, anywhere they can find it.

They are running it again on FOX right now.

456 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:02:06pm

re: #448 VegasRick

I don't drink pork either.
/

Lol. My cats would definitely drink pork if given the chance.

457 yochanan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:02:13pm

re: #448 VegasRick

how do you drink pork anyway/?

458 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:02:25pm

re: #453 katemaclaren

I don't agree. He's a normal, nice man. He was a good governor. He has a good sense of humor and is not right for the presidency, but there is no reason to diss him.

We will agree to disagree.

459 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:02:36pm

Hey, she just freed up her schedule for tomorrow.

/Tea Party!

460 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:02:40pm

re: #447 Cattt

He is such a m***erf***er.

i could guess that word if this was Wheel of Fortune

461 Gearhead  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:02:57pm

re: #402 vbspurs

Dude, she needs a political machine behind her, not a maverick-y path to the Presidency. How will kingmaking Republicans handle this spitfire? I think they'd rather have a milksop like Romney, whom they can control.

It will all be very interesting to watch. I hope the kingmakers would want someone who can win.

462 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:03:11pm

re: #454 wrenchwench

Adrenalyn has a grudge against the LDS. I don't think he was referring to Muslims.

REally? what exactly is a "main stream Muslim"? Where would they be? Pakistan?

463 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:03:25pm

Vileness from the left:
re: #411 _RememberTonyC

so the DNC spokesperson kicked her on the way out ...

what a motherfucking asshole

and the same filth from the right.

re: #418 vbspurs

Wow. Huckabee on Fox sounds like he's on cloud nine. Says it all.

464 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:03:30pm

re: #458 Cattt

We will agree to disagree.

Yes. With respectful civility, Cattt.

465 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:03:34pm

Did someone indicate on here that they thought she was whining? ... haha ... who whined the most ...

Obama ... "oh, stop picking on me you racists ..." "stop it ... stop asking for my college records ... you racists" ... "stop picking on my wife you racists" ... "stop asking about my good friends in my neighborhood you racists" ... "I'm telling ... "

It is still okay to personally bash a white woman but it is NOT okay to say anything even if it is to ask questions about something that is required of most other candidates if that person is black ... Obama Perfect Vehicle ... hope he is voted out asap ...

Don't care if I get slammed ... I believe it to be true ...

466 brookly red  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:03:35pm

re: #454 wrenchwench

Adrenalyn has a grudge against the LDS. I don't think he was referring to Muslims.

got that, I was just snarking on the after-life thingy...

467 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:03:41pm

re: #437 Killgore Trout

Sorry but they have the video of her statement. If you don't want to watch it you don't have to. You guys are extra angry and bitter today.

okay I watched it...calling that a meltdown is disingenuous at best...KOS has is head up his ass as usual...the have very little if any credibility in the real world...and I am neither bitter or angry, I said all along she is not presidential stuff at this point or the near future

468 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:03:49pm

re: #459 Killian Bundy

Hey, she just freed up her schedule for tomorrow.

/Tea Party!

/Don't get him started.

//

469 eon  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:03:54pm

Well, I have to go. last-minute prep for tomorrow needs doing.

If I don't get back later, Have A Great Independence Day, Lizards.

And remember the men and women who gave it to us.

cheers

eon

470 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:04:04pm

re: #447 Cattt

He is such a m***erf***er.

Don't like him. Don't like Romney. And frankly, Newt Gingrich has problems with his private life (as Clinton did, but remember, he's a liberal. It's a different set of standards for them). Jindal? I don't know.

I feel politically orphaned right now.

471 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:04:11pm

re: #460 _RememberTonyC

i could guess that word if this was Wheel of Fortune

LOL!

472 brookly red  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:04:31pm

re: #457 yochanan

how do you drink pork anyway/?

I fell a congress joke coming on...

473 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:04:37pm

You know...maybe she is going to start a NEW political party. The Bull Moose party?

474 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:04:50pm

re: #411 _RememberTonyC

so the DNC spokesperson kicked her on the way out ...

what a motherfucking asshole

I agree.

I don't cuss much, but sometimes cussing is the exact, right thing to do, and this is one of those times imho.

475 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:05:18pm

re: #463 callahan23

Vileness from the left:

Hi Callahan ... I was listening to huckabee. i don't like him as a POTUS, but he was not mean spirited on FOX ... he was playing coy. we know he is happy, but it wasn't the type of overt hatred we saw from the DNC.

476 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:05:18pm

re: #460 _RememberTonyC

i could guess that word if this was Wheel of Fortune

I just couldn't bring myself to type it out. :D

477 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:05:26pm

re: #449 iceweasel

I hope everyone watches the video of her statement, anywhere they can find it.

calling that a meltdown?...is that what's supposed to be important about it?...how was that a meltdown?...if it was then your typical posts are meltdowns

478 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:05:29pm

re: #462 katemaclaren

REally? what exactly is a "main stream Muslim"? Where would they be? Pakistan?

No, Washington D.C., they're all there.

/A Muslim 4th of July: "Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness"

479 MSM  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:05:32pm

Off to do some shopping for tomorrow's barbecue. At my house, we're having roast Republican for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Stay tuned.

480 yochanan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:05:38pm

re: #473 katemaclaren

You know...maybe she is going to start a NEW political party. The Bull Moose party?

or the DEAD MOOSE PARTY.

481 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:05:42pm

re: #440 Cattt

That's a good point. The woman is a bulldog as far as her record shows. We shall just have to wait and see, because it is pretty damn hard to predict what a unique person will do. We tend to predict along standard lines, and there is no such thing as a standard life - no one has a crystal ball that actually works.

Thank you for that paragraph. Summed up my opinion in a concise way. Whatever your karma, add 100. :)

482 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:06:07pm

I'm going to find a patriotic vid to link. Need a pickmeup here.

483 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:06:08pm

re: #477 albusteve

calling that a meltdown?...is that what's supposed to be important about it?...how was that a meltdown?...if it was then your typical posts are meltdowns

/ask it about cap and trade

484 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:06:09pm

re: #465 JacksonTn

I knew you were out there somewhere :)

485 jvic  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:06:16pm

re: #356 jvic

As I said in the other thread, whatever brings Mike Huckabee closer to the Oval Office is a bad thing.

re: #418 vbspurs

Wow. Huckabee on Fox sounds like he's on cloud nine. Says it all.

Wonderful, just wonderful. Now I can worry about Obama and Huckabee.

486 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:06:28pm

re: #467 albusteve

Well, you would be wrong about her not being presidential stuff--unless, of course, you think Barack Obama, does have it. Then, well, what can I say. Ginger Rogers said it best when she described how she did everything Fred Astaire did--but backwards and in high heels..."

487 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:06:50pm

re: #465 JacksonTn

Dude, take a break. I really don't know what to was about that.

488 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:06:56pm

re: #462 katemaclaren

REally? what exactly is a "main stream Muslim"? Where would they be? Pakistan?

What? I don't know what you are referring to here...

489 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:06:59pm

re: #474 Cattt

Amen, Sister!

490 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:07:08pm

re: #454 wrenchwench

Adrenalyn has a grudge against the LDS. I don't think he was referring to Muslims.

thank you WW

but also, I point out my "gripes" with LDS
as an example of what the media will do to Romney

I still speak to my brother, by the way
I am not caught up in the LDS nonsense
each to their own

491 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:07:15pm

re: #451 Cattt

And of course, no one is homophobic any more...///

OMG! JFK was gay?

:P

492 kansas  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:07:20pm

Every time she said anything it was bash bash bash. I think this is a big fuck you to everyone, I don't need this shit, and if there is something else so what? Now it's no one's business.
Who are the Dems going to bash now? Oh that's right, nothing stops them. Still blaming Bush for Obama's fucked up economic policy. Andrew Sullivan will still be bashing Palin. I think he's jealous she's more of a woman than he is.

493 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:07:22pm

re: #487 Killgore Trout

Dude, take a break. I really don't know what to was about that.

KT ... you know exactly what it was all about ...

494 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:07:22pm

re: #488 wrenchwench

Use your imagination about what main stream Muslim means.

495 yochanan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:07:22pm

FRANKLY I LIKE SARAH
if she were to start a new party I would think about it.

496 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:07:25pm

re: #478 Killian Bundy

No, Washington D.C., they're all there.

/A Muslim 4th of July: "Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness"

I know several maintstream Muslims. They are all over the place.

497 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:07:26pm

re: #476 Cattt

I just couldn't bring myself to type it out. :D

LOL ... after you do it once, it gets a lot easier :)

498 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:08:08pm

re: #487 Killgore Trout

huh?

499 Westward Ho  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:08:14pm

Apologies for the OT,

LGF is so frustratingly slow nowadays.

500 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:08:20pm

re: #462 katemaclaren

REally? what exactly is a "main stream Muslim"? Where would they be? Pakistan?

In the White House? ;)

501 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:08:30pm

re: #495 yochanan

FRANKLY I LIKE SARAH
if she were to start a new party I would think about it.

Me, too. Let's see how Zombie is coming along with that idea.

502 Cathypop  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:08:38pm

re: #447 Cattt

He is such a m***erf***er.


Could you be a little more clear on your feelings for Huckabee?

503 kansas  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:08:46pm

We really need to repeal the 22nd amendment. //

504 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:08:53pm

re: #500 vbspurs

LOL!

505 Irish Rose  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:09:00pm

I just watched the video.

Sorry, Killgore... not a meltdown.

506 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:09:05pm

I'm off to work, believe it or not! Will try to check back later.

Happy Holidays Lizard Nation!

507 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:09:09pm

re: #499 Westward Ho

You have options. Just sayin'

508 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:09:19pm

re: #494 katemaclaren

Use your imagination about what main stream Muslim means.

I know what main stream Muslim means. I don't know why you mention it to me. Wrong poster response?

509 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:09:23pm

re: #499 Westward Ho

Apologies for the OT,

LGF is so frustratingly slow nowadays.

Hamsters off for the holiday weekend?

510 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:09:30pm

re: #465 JacksonTn

"I won."

And don't you forget it./// Don't worry. He won't let us forget it.

511 yochanan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:09:41pm

re: #501 katemaclaren

anyone that makes the liberal elites go nuts IS WONDERFUL.

512 theheat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:09:59pm

Resigning from your job, particularly one with a specific term, doesn't seem like the best way to pad the resume for the job of POTUS that would scrutinize your past performance on the position you resigned from.

It amounts to poking a sacred cow with a stick, but I won't vote for her. That probably makes me a sacred cow poker.

I've been called worse.

513 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:10:21pm

re: #284 iceweasel

Not really. The diehard partisan liberals were praying she'd be the 2012 candidate because they didn't believe she'd have a chance.

iceweasel -

When I was one of them - I cheered Ronald Reagan beating Bush 41 for the nomination because "he didn't have a chance" - Who Knew?

-S-

514 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:10:21pm

WOW! I just got a call from a polling agency asking me for an opinion about this resignation. I've never been polled before. BRB, still on phone.

515 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:10:29pm

re: #496 Cattt

I know several maintstream Muslims. They are all over the place.

I was really referring to what the main stream means to Muslims--not what it means to us, I wager. The main stream Muslim community world wide has little in common with Main stream Americans.

516 Conservative Moonbat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:10:51pm

I wonder if the Lt. Gov. is going to try and get the plane back

517 kansas  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:10:57pm

re: #462 katemaclaren

REally? what exactly is a "main stream Muslim"? Where would they be? Pakistan?

Might be a few in this picture.

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

518 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:11:02pm

re: #514 vbspurs

WOW! I just got a call from a polling agency asking me for an opinion about this resignation. I've never been polled before. BRB, still on phone.

That's just me pulling a prank.

519 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:11:43pm

re: #467 albusteve

If those are her real reasons then even I'm disappointed by her and I never even liked her to begin with. Every politician has to deal with criticism, jokes, parodies, cartoons and bias. As for the lawsuits: Imagine if Bush had resigned because of the legal challenges to Gitmo or the FISA courts. Obama isn't going to resign over mounting Nirth Certificate fees.
I suspect there's more going on here. If it's just a matter of not being able to take the heat then she's not fit for local office much less national.

520 lobo91  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:12:15pm

re: #478 Killian Bundy

No, Washington D.C., they're all there.

/A Muslim 4th of July: "Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness"

Either you forgot a sarcasm tag, or you're unaware of the many connections between that event's sponsors (ISNA and MSA) and terrorism.

521 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:12:16pm

re: #486 katemaclaren

Well, you would be wrong about her not being presidential stuff--unless, of course, you think Barack Obama, does have it. Then, well, what can I say. Ginger Rogers said it best when she described how she did everything Fred Astaire did--but backwards and in high heels..."

it's my opinion...don't waste your snark on me, I could care less

522 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:12:42pm

re: #513 Dr. Shalit

iceweasel -

When I was one of them - I cheered Ronald Reagan beating Bush 41 for the nomination because "he didn't have a chance" - Who Knew?

-S-

Heh...true. Lots can change!

523 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:12:57pm

re: #518 unrealizedviewpoint

That's just me pulling a prank.

Arrgh. Well, it was a prank from my boyfriend's co-worker, "E Campbell". Boo!

524 kansas  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:13:02pm

re: #519 Killgore Trout

If those are her real reasons then even I'm disappointed by her and I never even liked her to begin with. Every politician has to deal with criticism, jokes, parodies, cartoons and bias. As for the lawsuits: Imagine if Bush had resigned because of the legal challenges to Gitmo or the FISA courts. Obama isn't going to resign over mounting Nirth Certificate fees.
I suspect there's more going on here. If it's just a matter of not being able to take the heat then she's not fit for local office much less national.

Oh get real, Obama couldn't stand up to 1/10 of the bullshit heaped on her.

525 Conservative Moonbat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:13:05pm

re: #519 Killgore Trout

My thoughts exactly.

526 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:13:07pm

re: #508 wrenchwench

I know what main stream Muslim means. I don't know why you mention it to me. Wrong poster response?

Maybe. If so, sorry. However, worldwide Islam--the main stream of that religion--would not fit very comfortably in the White House. I think Muslims who live here and have ASSIMILATED into American life, on the other hand, are probably what you have in mind. Maybe I was being a bit sarcastic--if so, sorry--it's just that with the events in Iran in the past couple of weeks--not to mention the honor killings here and the various other things that come to light--well, I'm sure you didn't mean this particular stream.

527 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:13:26pm

re: #465 JacksonTn

Did someone indicate on here that they thought she was whining? ... haha ... who whined the most ...

Obama ... "oh, stop picking on me you racists ..." "stop it ... stop asking for my college records ... you racists" ... "stop picking on my wife you racists" ... "stop asking about my good friends in my neighborhood you racists" ... "I'm telling ... "

It is still okay to personally bash a white woman but it is NOT okay to say anything even if it is to ask questions about something that is required of most other candidates if that person is black ... Obama Perfect Vehicle ... hope he is voted out asap ...

Don't care if I get slammed ... I believe it to be true ...

and don't forget how he whined like a little boy if someone mentioned his ears or how he frowned like a stealth moslem if someone mentioned his middle name.
thinking back, it is outrageous that everyone tip toed so fearfully around his middle name.
hells bells we didn't name the guy.

528 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:13:37pm

re: #505 Irish Rose

I never said it was. I linked with their original title. It's standard procedure.

529 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:13:43pm

re: #519 Killgore Trout

If those are her real reasons then even I'm disappointed by her and I never even liked her to begin with. Every politician has to deal with criticism, jokes, parodies, cartoons and bias. As for the lawsuits: Imagine if Bush had resigned because of the legal challenges to Gitmo or the FISA courts. Obama isn't going to resign over mounting Nirth Certificate fees.
I suspect there's more going on here. If it's just a matter of not being able to take the heat then she's not fit for local office much less national.

You don't like her because she's a GIRL! ;-)

530 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:13:56pm
531 Irish Rose  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:14:16pm

Wow, some people need to take a step back from the PC today and go do something else.

532 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:14:17pm

re: #475 _RememberTonyC

Hi Callahan ... I was listening to huckabee. i don't like him as a POTUS, but he was not mean spirited on FOX ... he was playing coy. we know he is happy, but it wasn't the type of overt hatred we saw from the DNC.

I simply am disgusted at all manner of 'Schadenfreude'. I live in the country where that word originated from and experience this character trait almost on a daily basis.
I am sick and tired of all shades of that trait.

533 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:14:27pm

re: #524 kansas

Oh get real, Obama couldn't stand up to 1/10 of the bullshit heaped on her.

Yeah, his reaction would be Special Olympics or something.

534 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:14:31pm

re: #296 J.S.

there was a YouTube video link posted here the other day -- showing Obama stumbling (absolutely off) during one of those townhall meetings on Health Care...I really wonder what would happen to Obama's poll numbers if that clip were played 15 times every day for a week and then presented as if that were "the norm"?

There was a video of Obama when he left the Wright church and he stuttered and stammered for a good ten minutes. (I saw the live announcement). I wonder what happened to that tape.

535 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:14:44pm

re: #528 Killgore Trout

I never said it was. I linked with their original title. It's standard procedure.

Don't play games, your attitude is well known

536 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:14:47pm

I think some of this is cultural misogyny. I didn't realize it was such an issue until the election- what an eye opener. And it wasn't just Sarah, but Hillary too.

A woman will get attacked by having her motherhood questioned, but when is a man questioned over his ability to parent? No one asked if it was alright for the First Daughters to have their father out of the house so much. Why?

537 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:15:01pm

re: #530 Slumbering Behemoth

MSNBC sources: She’s out of politics for good

They wish.

538 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:15:04pm

re: #527 nyc redneck

and don't forget how he whined like a little boy if someone mentioned his ears or how he frowned like a stealth moslem if someone mentioned his middle name.
thinking back, it is outrageous that everyone tip toed so fearfully around his middle name.
hells bells we didn't name the guy.

SO TRUE! Whingy, whiney, big-eared, arugula-chomping PUSSY. Easy to talk tough to Israel, but whoa, don't talk tough to Honduras.

539 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:15:25pm

re: #531 Irish Rose

Wow, some people need to take a step back from the PC today and go do something else.

Good Idea, Rose.

540 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:16:00pm

re: #477 albusteve

calling that a meltdown?...is that what's supposed to be important about it?...how was that a meltdown?...if it was then your typical posts are meltdowns

I didn't call it a meltdown, dude. I suggested everyone watch Palin's statement, wherever they could find it.

541 swamprat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:16:12pm

Why does this remind me of "StarWars";

Kill me and I'll only grow more powerful!

They can paint her as stupid.

They can paint her as a religious nut.

They can paint her as vindictive and meddling.

They can't paint her as ineffective; that dog won't hunt.

I would not want to be her enemy. I bet a lot of people are reaching for the Maalox.

542 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:16:17pm

re: #519 Killgore Trout

If those are her real reasons then even I'm disappointed by her and I never even liked her to begin with. Every politician has to deal with criticism, jokes, parodies, cartoons and bias. As for the lawsuits: Imagine if Bush had resigned because of the legal challenges to Gitmo or the FISA courts. Obama isn't going to resign over mounting Nirth Certificate fees.
I suspect there's more going on here. If it's just a matter of not being able to take the heat then she's not fit for local office much less national.

you are not listening to me are you?...for the last time I never considered her presidential...besides all that how do you consider that a meltdown?...she seemed totally in control to me...you are being unfair for no reason

543 brookly red  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:16:24pm

re: #530 Slumbering Behemoth

Apologies if this has already been posted:

Video: Palin resigns; MSNBC sources: She’s out of politics for good

I just listened to her speech and that's not what I heard...

544 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:16:24pm

re: #537 vbspurs

They wish.

Oh, that's it, then. She's just hit the ground running as far as the KOs and RMs and CMs are concerned--they won't shut up now.

545 kansas  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:16:34pm

Well they got 2 Republican governors in a month. Should be really ugly by Fall.

546 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:17:17pm

re: #371 EmmmieG

If Obama and his family had been given the kind of scrutiny she was given, would he have been up to it? If they had attacked Malia and Sasha, gone after Michelle and dug through his trash, would he have been up to it? He snapped at a reporter over a stinking waffle.

Has any recent politician been subjected to the evil, disgusting treatment Palin and more importantly her children have received?

547 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:17:53pm

Are we "squabbling" yet?

548 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:18:00pm

re: #524 kansas

Oh get real, Obama couldn't stand up to 1/10 of the bullshit heaped on her.

This guy Øbama has never had to deal with criticism. And when this media turns on him (and they will), he will have the meltdown of the fuckin' century.

549 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:18:02pm

All this pressure we've been discussing as motivation for Palin's resignation--does it have it be pressure? I mean I would have buckled under it long before now, but her skin appears to be thicker than most, and perhaps we might take her statement at face value. She said she didn't want politics as usual and once she decided not to run for reelection, why do the usual and become a lame duck for the duration?

Because she resigned rather than waited out her term does absolutely nothing to damage my view of her, and I don't imagine I'm alone in my thinking. I don't believe this is necessarily a bad political move.

550 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:18:05pm

re: #395 Racer X

The left hated Sarah Palin because they thought she was incompetent and they feared she would impose her beliefs on them.

I'm starting to think a lot of the slings and arrows she's getting from the left are because they would rather cut off their own legs than see "America's First Female President" come from the GOP.

551 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:18:08pm

re: #533 vbspurs

Yeah, his reaction would be Special Olympics or something.

So trrruuue.

552 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:18:39pm

Lady Rothschild is on the phone on Fox. Her reaction is the same as mine.
She's stepping down for strategic reasons, which on the surface, seem to be for private reasons.

553 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:19:05pm

re: #548 unrealizedviewpoint

This guy Øbama has never had to deal with criticism. And when this media turns on him (and they will), he will have the meltdown of the fuckin' century.

I CAN HARDLY WAIT! I hope it's on prime time at a news conference.

554 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:19:24pm

re: #547 Dirk Diggler

Are we "squabbling" yet?

/too funny

555 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:19:38pm

re: #546 Wendya

Has any recent politician been subjected to the evil, disgusting treatment Palin and more importantly her children have received?

Never in history. I would have strangled somebody by now if it were me.

556 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:19:41pm

re: #526 katemaclaren

Maybe. If so, sorry. However, worldwide Islam--the main stream of that religion--would not fit very comfortably in the White House. I think Muslims who live here and have ASSIMILATED into American life, on the other hand, are probably what you have in mind. Maybe I was being a bit sarcastic--if so, sorry--it's just that with the events in Iran in the past couple of weeks--not to mention the honor killings here and the various other things that come to light--well, I'm sure you didn't mean this particular stream.

The only thing I said about Muslims was that they were not who Adrenalyn was talking about. And I never used the word mainstream. What I have in mind is clarification. One of us should take Irish Roses' suggestion.

557 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:19:46pm

She's also making Sharmuta's point of misogyny now.

"They have to get beyond the fact that she's a beautiful woman, who does things in an unorthodox way".

558 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:20:00pm

re: #540 iceweasel

I didn't call it a meltdown, dude. I suggested everyone watch Palin's statement, wherever they could find it.

you did...I'm chillin out here

559 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:20:06pm

re: #550 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm starting to think a lot of the slings and arrows she's getting from the left are because they would rather cut off their own legs than see "America's First Female President" come from the GOP.

Ya just figured that out? Remember Colin Powell and Condi Rice were "house n*****s" ( not my words ). Well until Powell forgot what "Loyalty" was.

560 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:20:11pm

re: #546 Wendya

Has any recent politician been subjected to the evil, disgusting treatment Palin and more importantly her children have received?

Can you imagine if they (MSM) paid so much attention to Malia and Sasha?

561 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:20:13pm

re: #519 Killgore Trout

If those are her real reasons then even I'm disappointed by her and I never even liked her to begin with. Every politician has to deal with criticism, jokes, parodies, cartoons and bias. As for the lawsuits: Imagine if Bush had resigned because of the legal challenges to Gitmo or the FISA courts. Obama isn't going to resign over mounting Nirth Certificate fees.
I suspect there's more going on here. If it's just a matter of not being able to take the heat then she's not fit for local office much less national.

If Bush had been bogged down with vindictive, baseless lawsuits while he was still governor, he would have never made it to the WH.

The democrats may well rue the day they decided to play this game.

562 Flyers1974  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:20:45pm

re: #370 iceweasel

I have to wonder why the GOP wouldn't help one of its brightest national stars.

563 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:21:00pm

re: #558 albusteve

you did...I'm chillin out here

No. I didn't.

Glad you're chilln out though. Cheers.

564 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:21:00pm

re: #556 wrenchwench

The only thing I said about Muslims was that they were not who Adrenalyn was talking about. And I never used the word mainstream. What I have in mind is clarification. One of us should take Irish Roses' suggestion.

I did apologize.

565 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:21:00pm

re: #561 Wendya

The democrats may well rue the day they decided to play this game.

That day cannot come soon enough for me.

566 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:21:09pm

re: #547 Dirk Diggler

Are we "squabbling" yet?


It seems so. The squabblers are all wound up and LGF is running really slow. Not much interesting conversation here anyways unless you want to debate the titled of a KosKidz thread.
I'll check back latter.

567 JarHeadLifer  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:21:37pm

re: #438 katemaclaren

She DID debate and destroy Joe Biden. It was great.

No, she didn't. Every poll that was conducted showed that Biden won that debate, handily I might add. And, in politics, that's all that matters - public opinion. There wasn't a judges table scoring points on arguments and counter-arguments.

If you want to watch a video of a debate where someone get's destroyed, check out Reagan in '84 when he schooled Mondale. That's destruction.

568 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:21:42pm
569 Irish Rose  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:21:47pm

This thread is souring my mood, too much mean.
I'm out... catch ya'll later.

570 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:21:50pm

re: #563 iceweasel

No. I didn't.

Glad you're chilln out though. Cheers.

you said to read it...and no more, my bad

571 jaunte  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:21:55pm

Why They Hate Her, the Angelina Jolie of Politicscampaignspot.nationalreview.com...] brblockquote" target="_blank">
Liberals believe that their ideas, philosophy, worldview, and policies liberate believers, and that the conservative equivalents limit people. Liberals see themselves as rejecting outdated beliefs and obsolete ideas, overturning established orders, and discarding traditions established by superstitious and ignorant forebears who weren't as enlightened as we are. Conservatives, in their minds, are runaway cultural superegos, always wagging their fingers about individual responsibility, dismissing excuses, reminding people that they can't always do what they want because of the consequences to themselves and to others.

Conservatism, they suspect, will leave you in a marriage that doesn't satisfy you, burden you with children you don't want, repress your passions, and trap you in a empty, boring, and unfulfilled life, with no hand of government able to help.
...
In her opponents' minds, Palin's made all the wrong choices, and cannot, they insist, be very bright. Yet she's happy and successful. She is an anomaly that invalidates their worldview, and for that, they attempt to immiserate her — regardless of whether she wishes to run for national office again.

572 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:22:05pm

re: #548 unrealizedviewpoint

This guy Øbama has never had to deal with criticism. And when this media turns on him (and they will), he will have the meltdown of the fuckin' century.

he'll scream like a 2 yr. old who dropped his bottle.

573 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:22:20pm
Well they got 2 Republican governors in a month. Should be really ugly by Fall.

Indeed. If only Republican candidates revelled in amorality and corruption like the Democratic candidates do, we wouldn't have these kinds of problems.

574 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:22:23pm

re: #566 Killgore Trout

It seems so. The squabblers are all wound up and LGF is running really slow. Not much interesting conversation here anyways unless you want to debate the titled of a KosKidz thread.
I'll check back latter.

No Killgore you're being slammed for your comment #324, not the KozKidz one.

575 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:22:34pm

re: #543 brookly red

I just listened to her speech and that's not what I heard...

That link is not just the video, there is a bit of commentary there, as well as an admonition to take MSNBC's statement with a large boulder of salt.

576 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:22:38pm

Just added video from MSNBC above - you'll have to reload to see it.

577 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:22:44pm

re: #555 VegasRick

Never in history. I would have strangled somebody by now if it were me.

...and me, too, for that!

578 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:22:51pm

re: #557 vbspurs

She's also making Sharmuta's point of misogyny now.

"They have to get beyond the fact that she's a beautiful woman, who does things in an unorthodox way".

She's different. Stone the heretic!

579 pink freud  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:22:58pm

re: #562 Flyers1974

I have to wonder why the GOP wouldn't help one of its brightest national stars.

You guys are hilarious.

580 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:22:59pm

re: #566 Killgore Trout

I'll check back latter.

/can't wait

581 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:23:26pm

re: #567 JarHeadLifer

No, she didn't. Every poll that was conducted showed that Biden won that debate, handily I might add. And, in politics, that's all that matters - public opinion. There wasn't a judges table scoring points on arguments and counter-arguments.

If you want to watch a video of a debate where someone get's destroyed, check out Reagan in '84 when he schooled Mondale. That's destruction.

My poll disagreed.

582 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:23:32pm

re: #532 callahan23

I simply am disgusted at all manner of 'Schadenfreude'. I live in the country where that word originated from and experience this character trait almost on a daily basis.
I am sick and tired of all shades of that trait.

Most interesting callahan. Is "freude" false? What does "Schaden" mean?

(don't tell anyone, but German etymology/word constructioin fascinates me.)

583 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:23:45pm

/Waiting for the other shoe to drop.

584 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:23:47pm

re: #574 unrealizedviewpoint

No Killgore you're being slammed for your comment #324, not the KozKidz one.

It was a CNN video, why use a Kos link.
/Just wondering.

585 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:23:56pm

re: #576 Charles

Just added video from MSNBC above - you'll have to reload to see it.

Work, work, work. Why do we have to do all the work, reloading and all...?

586 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:24:00pm

re: #568 Killian Bundy

Conn. woman's encounter with 'Big Foot' a hoax

Really?

/do tell

hey, that proves nothing...BF does not live that far south anyway

587 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:24:19pm

re: #562 Flyers1974

I have to wonder why the GOP wouldn't help one of its brightest national stars.

The GOP establishment didn't like her.

That being said...if on her own she couldn't raise 500K to pay off legal bills, that doesn't say much for her ability to fundraise for a POTUS run. But teh really devastating issue is that the establishment GOP wasn't helping her with that.

What do you think is going on with her resignation?

588 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:24:22pm

re: #567 JarHeadLifer

The MSM told you Biden won the debate. Think about that. Did you watch it? I did - a lot of us on here did, and what we saw was simply NOT was the MSM reported. Not to mean lies, damn lies and statistics.

589 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:24:32pm

re: #562 Flyers1974

I have to wonder why the GOP wouldn't help one of its brightest national stars.

They don't want the same treatment from the media. They'd rather play nice with obama and hope everyone will love them for it.

I would like to add that much of the left's treatment of Palin is directly attributable to Obama with his "pig" comments, his snickering and his encouragement of his minions to attack without any restraint.

590 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:25:06pm

My take FWIW, I think she is out of politics for good. Notice how many times she says "from the outside".

591 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:25:16pm

re: #580 Killian Bundy

/can't wait

LOL!

592 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:25:23pm

re: #567 JarHeadLifer

If you want to watch a video of a debate where someone get's destroyed, check out Reagan in '84 when he schooled Mondale. That's destruction.

Les apples and les oranges.

Recall the events leading up to the VP debate. The pressure on Sarah Palin was UNFATHOMABLE. People literally stated openly that she wouldn't show up. Even frikkin Gwen Ifil, the debate's moderator, had a book titled "Politics in the Age of Obama" coming out on 20 January, fer chrissakes.

Not only did she show up, but at the end, even Biden had a protective look of admiration for her.

Now there is a guy who knows about resigning when the going gets tough.

593 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:26:15pm

mean = Mention. sigh.

594 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:26:19pm

re: #575 Slumbering Behemoth

That link is not just the video, there is a bit of commentary there, as well as an admonition to take MSNBC's statement with a large boulder of salt.

Yes. I agree.

595 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:26:30pm

re: #584 DEZes

It was a CNN video, why use a Kos link.
/Just wondering.

Some people fit on better over there

596 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:26:46pm

re: #583 Dan G.

/Waiting for the other shoe to drop.

The high heel?
The stiletto through the heart of ...David Letterman?

597 jaunte  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:26:49pm

Tried to quote this from Jim Geraghty earlier, (but the thread, it et mai post!)

Liberals believe that their ideas, philosophy, worldview, and policies liberate believers, and that the conservative equivalents limit people. Liberals see themselves as rejecting outdated beliefs and obsolete ideas, overturning established orders, and discarding traditions established by superstitious and ignorant forebears who weren't as enlightened as we are. Conservatives, in their minds, are runaway cultural superegos, always wagging their fingers about individual responsibility, dismissing excuses, reminding people that they can't always do what they want because of the consequences to themselves and to others.

Conservatism, they suspect, will leave you in a marriage that doesn't satisfy you, burden you with children you don't want, repress your passions, and trap you in a empty, boring, and unfulfilled life, with no hand of government able to help.
...snip...
In her opponents' minds, Palin's made all the wrong choices, and cannot, they insist, be very bright. Yet she's happy and successful. She is an anomaly that invalidates their worldview, and for that, they attempt to immiserate her — regardless of whether she wishes to run for national office again.[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

598 brookly red  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:26:50pm

re: #590 Thanos

My take FWIW, I think she is out of politics for good. Notice how many times she says "from the outside".

Yes & no, you don't have to hold office to be in politics... we shall see.

599 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:26:53pm

re: #590 Thanos

I agree. Not only that, quitting like she is, is terminal; any future campaign would predominantly feature her inability (using this video as evidence) to handle the pressure... or to paint her as a "world's against me" kook.

600 bulwrk  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:27:24pm

Hopefully she is pissed off enough and is planning a General Sherman, cut loose from the baggage train that is the RNC and cut a swath trough the Democratic party

601 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:27:39pm

re: #596 katemaclaren

No. There's more behind this resignation that is being presented.

602 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:28:03pm

re: #590 Thanos

My take FWIW, I think she is out of politics for good. Notice how many times she says "from the outside".

Maybe running for OFFICE--but she may not be out of politics.

603 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:28:39pm

re: #597 jaunte

Tried to quote this from Jim Geraghty earlier, (but the thread, it et mai post!)

THANK YOU for posting this.

604 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:28:49pm

Okay, enough of this.

/what's the latest on Michael Jackson?

605 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:28:53pm

re: #582 midwestgak

(don't tell anyone, but German etymology/word constructioin fascinates me.)

Freude is joy. Schaden can be translated as harm.

/German mother.

606 Westward Ho  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:28:54pm

It's taking me half an hour to post a comment, any one else having these issues?

607 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:29:04pm

re: #601 Dan G.

I'm sure.

608 jorline  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:29:07pm

Interesting quote.

But Palin also hinted at her own national ambitions, invoking a quote that she credited to Gen. Douglas MacArthur: “We are not retreating, we are advancing in another direction.”

After the press conference, Palin asked supporters to “stay tuned” via Twitter. “We’ll soon attach info on this decision to not seek re-election.”

link

IMHO if she still has aspiration for higher political office this resignation is a "bridge to nowhere".
If she tired of the scrutiny and badgering by the MSM/LLL and wants to move on with her life...more power to her.

609 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:29:12pm

re: #600 bulwrk

Keep dreaming. Did the video appear to you that way? That she was declaring independence from the GOP behemoth and had the Dems directly in her sights? Nope. She's resigning because she's guilty (or someone has something to make he LOOK guilty).

610 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:29:19pm

re: #598 brookly red

Yes & no, you don't have to hold office to be in politics... we shall see.

Good point, she could got pac leader or speaker circuit

611 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:29:42pm

I've said many a times on LGF that Sarah Palin would not run in 2012. I just didn't see her surviving the media's shock and awe campaign for four years.

Palin's seeming dramatic withdrawal from public life is good news for Mittens Romney, who I've really grown to like as a candidate.

612 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:29:44pm

re: #587 iceweasel

I agree there are different factions that don't like her for different reasons. I still think it comes back to the fear many people have of a unique, different sort of woman.

But the cynic in me wonders if there isn't something more going on as well. No point in really speculating about it- it will get aired if that's the case.

But overall, I like Sarah as a person, and regardless of what's going on behind the scenes, I wish her the best of luck in her pursuits and best to her family as well.

613 KingKenrod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:29:46pm

re: #590 Thanos

My take FWIW, I think she is out of politics for good. Notice how many times she says "from the outside".

She could be going the Huckabee route and look for a platform in the media. She's a much bigger draw than Huckabee.

I also think she could start a campaign to bring women back to supporting the conservative side of the political spectrum.

614 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:29:53pm

re: #604 Killian Bundy

Okay, enough of this.

/what's the latest on Michael Jackson?

still deceased...but things could change

615 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:29:55pm

re: #600 bulwrk

Hopefully she is pissed off enough and is planning a General Sherman, cut loose from the baggage train that is the RNC and cut a swath trough the Democratic party

Hurray!

616 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:30:02pm

re: #606 Westward Ho

It's taking me half an hour to post a comment, any one else having these issues?

Smooth as silk here.

617 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:30:28pm

re: #608 jorline

I think she's serious about the money issue. Can you imagine?

618 Buster  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:30:29pm

After Regan left the Governorship and before he sought higher office he spent some time on the speaking circuit (I believe sponsored by GE) espousing his ideas on government and defining himself on a national stage.

I wonder I Sara Palin is seeking to go out and vociferously define herself rather than do her job as Governor and let her enemies (right and left) continue to denigrate her.

619 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:30:34pm

"The Ross Perot" problem. Larry Sabato on Fox. Sigh.

620 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:30:44pm

Ooh, Lanny Davis psychoanalyzing Sarah Palin on the TV now.

/she's probably out running, fishing, or shooting something

621 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:30:57pm

re: #601 Dan G.

No. There's more behind this resignation that is being presented.

I'm hearing that she is joining MMA.
/

622 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:31:01pm

re: #612 Sharmuta

I agree there are different factions that don't like her for different reasons. I still think it comes back to the fear many people have of a unique, different sort of woman.

But the cynic in me wonders if there isn't something more going on as well. No point in really speculating about it- it will get aired if that's the case.

But overall, I like Sarah as a person, and regardless of what's going on behind the scenes, I wish her the best of luck in her pursuits and best to her family as well.

Very sensible post, Sharmuta.

623 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:31:17pm

re: #619 vbspurs

"The Ross Perot" problem. Larry Sabato on Fox. Sigh.

He is a dude with a very very bad rug.

624 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:31:28pm

Need some Mozart.

625 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:31:30pm

re: #621 VegasRick

MMA?

626 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:31:37pm

re: #609 Dan G.

Keep dreaming. Did the video appear to you that way? That she was declaring independence from the GOP behemoth and had the Dems directly in her sights? Nope. She's resigning because she's guilty (or someone has something to make he LOOK guilty).

To be fair, I think her video presentation is also consistent with someone who is resigning for reasons that have nothing to do with politics, but with a sudden family problem/illness/tragedy.

627 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:32:16pm

Adam Lambert singing National Anthem at MCAS Miramar Bob Hope Theater

Here's one that can be embedded, but I like the angle on the above one better.

628 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:32:21pm

One thing is clear. Sarah Palin will be the news for the entire weekend and beyond--maybe a quote from Buzz Lightyear would do right now.

629 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:32:26pm

I just clicked in on all this, and it is a bombshell.

The timing is confusing, but perhaps she prefers folks to have a few days to sort of let it sink in.

I think she is indeed running for 2012 and given the lack of leadership anywhere else in the Party - YET, she may well see an opening to grab center stage right now. For better or worse long term.

We all know she needed to remake her persona beyond the remote borders of Alaska. Sorta like leavin the farm and movin to town.

We will have to wait and see what move she makes next. Should be interesting.

630 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:32:40pm

re: #532 callahan23

I simply am disgusted at all manner of 'Schadenfreude'. I live in the country where that word originated from and experience this character trait almost on a daily basis.
I am sick and tired of all shades of that trait.

The joy of harm? uuuw.

631 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:32:59pm

Did something happen to Michael Jackson?

/;-P

632 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:33:04pm

re: #612 Sharmuta

But overall, I like Sarah as a person, and regardless of what's going on behind the scenes, I wish her the best of luck in her pursuits and best to her family as well.

Why is it that the Leftosphere just can't preface their subsequent acid remarks with what you said? Are we really that incapable of individual grace to our political opponents? Opponents, I may add, who seem less fanged today.

633 jorline  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:33:26pm

re: #617 katemaclaren

I think she's serious about the money issue. Can you imagine?

I think it's a multitude of issues. I don't know why anyone would seek a job where everyone looks to draw blood.

634 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:33:28pm

re: #626 iceweasel

Possibly, but there was too much externalizing/blaming everyone else going on. And if it was family/etc... related, she wouldn't be talking about working outside of politics, which suggests business as usual, just not in a position of accountability.

635 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:33:28pm

hmm. If she does do a third party bid, say run as the Libertarian candidate in 2012 that would be serious bad news for R's.

636 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:33:49pm

re: #604 Killian Bundy

Okay, enough of this.

/what's the latest on Michael Jackson?

Word is...He died...
Can't find any news about it though

637 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:33:50pm

re: #613 KingKenrod

She could be going the Huckabee route and look for a platform in the media. She's a much bigger draw than Huckabee.

That would be cool. I think she'd be a ratings goldmine.

638 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:33:56pm

re: #631 Dirk Diggler

Did something happen to Michael Jackson?

/;-P

Yes, and the media expects a full recovery.

639 brookly red  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:33:59pm

re: #630 midwestgak

The joy of harm? uuuw.

harm to others...

640 medaura18586  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:34:23pm

Sarah Palin is an embarrassment. If she runs in 2012, I'll vote for Obama to keep her out of office. Though I probably won't even need to: She won't have a chance to begin with. I hope she goes back to the woodwork she came from and is never heard from again on the national stage.

641 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:34:32pm

re: #625 Dan G.

MMA?

(Mixed Martial Arts) - think UFC.

642 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:34:54pm

re: #631 Dirk Diggler

Did something happen to Michael Jackson?

/;-P

They bought him a gold plated $35K casket.

/that rules out him being buried at Neverland

643 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:35:05pm

re: #641 VegasRick

Ah... did a quick google, but too many returns... ambiguity. Thanks.

644 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:35:06pm

re: #614 albusteve

still deceased...but things could change

Only in Chicago./

645 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:35:17pm

re: #618 Buster

After Regan left the Governorship and before he sought higher office he spent some time on the speaking circuit (I believe sponsored by GE) espousing his ideas on government and defining himself on a national stage.

I wonder I Sara Palin is seeking to go out and vociferously define herself rather than do her job as Governor and let her enemies (right and left) continue to denigrate her.

This is what I believe. Maybe she'll start a world tour--talking to Merkel, Sarkozy, et all--maybe even Lady Thatcher (!) --if she does this (which, of course, I'm joking about this) Democrats will be beside themselves with fury. I can hardly wait.

646 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:35:27pm

Who is this anchor on Fox? Is he on "our" side or what? He sounds like he's on Arianna's payroll.

I'm sorry, I have literally not turned on any cable news channel since November 5th 2008, so for all I know, Fox is now to the left of Ted Turner.

647 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:35:30pm

re: #635 Thanos

hmm. If she does do a third party bid, say run as the Libertarian candidate in 2012 that would be serious bad news for R's.

That would make The Teleprompter Jesus a two term President no matter what is going on with the economy or the world at large. Ross Perot (that f*'king troll) gave us two terms of Slick Willie.

648 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:35:45pm

re: #618 Buster

I wonder I Sara Palin is seeking to go out and vociferously define herself rather than do her job as Governor and let her enemies (right and left) continue to denigrate her.


I am thinking along the same lines. She is going on offense and it will be a long tough slog to undo the damage done her to date.

649 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:36:02pm

re: #628 katemaclaren

One thing is clear. Sarah Palin will be the news for the entire weekend and beyond--maybe a quote from Buzz Lightyear would do right now.

"to infinity!...and BEYOND!"

650 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:36:05pm

re: #644 midwestgak

Hmmm. a re-enactment of Thriller, perhaps? Maybe this is the start off of his world tour.

/Sicko

651 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:36:06pm

re: #633 jorline

The bullfighter syndrome! (BS)

652 yochanan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:36:11pm

re: #604 Killian Bundy

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

653 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:36:24pm

re: #612 Sharmuta

I agree there are different factions that don't like her for different reasons. I still think it comes back to the fear many people have of a unique, different sort of woman.

But the cynic in me wonders if there isn't something more going on as well. No point in really speculating about it- it will get aired if that's the case.

But overall, I like Sarah as a person, and regardless of what's going on behind the scenes, I wish her the best of luck in her pursuits and best to her family as well.

Exactly; we've talked about this before. Despite the fact that there are legitimate criticisms to be made of both Clinton and Palin (and those were made), each of them endured an unbelievable amount of personal and inappropriate attacks that are due to nothing but misogyny. They each got such attacks from their own parties as well as the opposition, and they each got it from the media. Palin has cosntantly been the target of such attacks, even now.

I've nothing against Palin as a person and I hope she and her family are well and will continue to be well. I do think this resignation effectively ends her ambitions for higher office -- but then again, anything can happen.

654 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:36:36pm

re: #582 midwestgak

Most interesting callahan. Is "freude" false? What does "Schaden" mean?

;-)

der Schaden: adversity, damage, detriment, disadvantage, disprofit, disservice, harm, injury, etc.

die Freude: blitheness, delight, elation, enjoyment, fun, gladness, gratification, happiness, joy (at, over sth.), joyousness, pleasure

die Schadenfreude: gloating, mischievousness, spitefulness, malicious joy

Or to feel happiness of someone else's misfortune. This trait should be right there with deadly sins.

655 Flyers1974  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:36:56pm

re: #587 iceweasel

The GOP establishment didn't like her.

That being said...if on her own she couldn't raise 500K to pay off legal bills, that doesn't say much for her ability to fundraise for a POTUS run. But teh really devastating issue is that the establishment GOP wasn't helping her with that.

What do you think is going on with her resignation?

I think the obvious explanations are either a big scandal or a private tragedy. If it is a personal tragedy though, I can't think of a reason why she would announce her intentions to resign but not mention the tragedy - or have it relayed via spokesperson. Why do you think the GOP establishment does not like her? I'm not doubting this, just curious as to why you think that is the case.

656 Ziggy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:37:13pm

I wonder if she's just sick of all the BS and attacks from every side. I hope there's no dirt about to come out. I really admire her. I know there are many (again on both sides) that feel she was way out of her league, but I see her as honest and upfront. She doesn't speak out of both sides of her mouth. what she says is what she means. And I like the fact that she'll call BS on Republicans as well as Democrats. I found her very real and refreshing in a world full of scum bag politicians that would sell their mothers to keep their offices.

657 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:37:22pm

re: #631 Dirk Diggler

Did something happen to Michael Jackson?

/;-P

I heard he could no longer do the moonwalk.

658 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:37:27pm

re: #640 medaura18586

Oh dear. A second term for Obama. Ohhh dearie me. Well, I would vote for Sarah--and work to get her elected. In fact, if this is what she's going to do--I'll start tomorrow.

659 swamprat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:37:35pm

pass the ball so the team can win

we are advancing in another direction

no more "politics as usual"


Yeah. She's out of politics for good. Taking her bat and ball and going home.

Yew betcha!


I wonder if Alan Keyes, Condi Rice, or Giuliani will be running with her.
660 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:37:46pm

re: #640 medaura18586

Sarah Palin is an embarrassment. If she runs in 2012, I'll vote for Obama to keep her out of office. Though I probably won't even need to: She won't have a chance to begin with. I hope she goes back to the woodwork she came from and is never heard from again on the national stage.


lead the way!

661 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:38:02pm

re: #654 callahan23

Or to feel happiness of someone else's misfortune. This trait should be right there with deadly sins.

I cannot upding this enough.

662 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:38:04pm

re: #635 Thanos

hmm. If she does do a third party bid, say run as the Libertarian candidate in 2012 that would be serious bad news for R's.

If she does that, which I think is as likely as me waking up naked on Altair IV tomorrow morning in bed with Dr. Morbius' daughter, it might be good for "us" if she manages to purge all the Paulians, Gold Standard Fetishists, and Black Helicopter Conspiracy Theory kooks out of that party. There might be a place for conservatives who aren't Christian Socialists or Paulestinians to go.

Seriously... not going to happen.

663 Buster  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:38:05pm

re: #631 Dirk Diggler

Did something happen to Michael Jackson?

/;-P

He's with Elvis/ K

664 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:38:11pm

My take on the video is that she seemed to have her proverbial tail tucked between her legs... but time will tell.

665 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:38:18pm

re: #656 Ziggy

I completely agree with you. Fingers crossed.

666 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:38:31pm

re: #640 medaura18586

Straight to the top...of the Bottom Comments.

667 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:38:31pm

re: #636 HoosierHoops

Word is...He died...
Can't find any news about it though

heh. Heard he'll be running against Daley next term. Or if not running, at least voting.

668 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:38:49pm
669 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:39:07pm

re: #640 medaura18586

I agree.

670 lobo91  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:39:21pm

re: #647 Truck Monkey

That would make The Teleprompter Jesus a two term President no matter what is going on with the economy or the world at large. Ross Perot (that f*'king troll) gave us two terms of Slick Willie.

Not quite. Perot didn't cause Clinton to win in '96.

The fact that the party decided it was Bob Dole's turn to run did.

671 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:39:30pm

re: #646 vbspurs

You should stay in the LGF loop a little more. Many of us have walked away from fox.

672 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:39:35pm

re: #660 albusteve

lead the way!

Wow. Just wow. Maybe we should consider, oh, I don't know, Colin Powell, you know--a real republican.

673 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:39:35pm

re: #420 JarHeadLifer

You are in the minority of the middle, at least according to the polls that I've seen. And, It wasn't Palin's strong faith or her unabashed pro-life position that put me off. It was her inability to manage interviews effectively with the likes of lightweights like Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric.

And, if you can't debate and destroy practically retarded Joe Biden, then you've got some problems grasping issues and articulating policy positions in a compelling and engaging way.

I saw that debate. Palin did destroy Biden. Unfortunately, the media narrative played it otherwise.

674 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:40:05pm

re: #668 buzzsawmonkey

Not to mention the horrid "maverick-y" eeew. I cringed every bloody time.

675 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:40:20pm

re: #635 Thanos

hmm. If she does do a third party bid, say run as the Libertarian candidate in 2012 that would be serious bad news for R's.

The libertarians would have to drop their anti-war and conspiracy agendas first. I don't see that happening and I'm not holding my breath waiting around for them to join the adults.

676 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:40:24pm

re: #673 Taqyia2Me

Thank YOU.

677 swamprat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:40:29pm

re: #640 medaura18586

Sarah Palin is an embarrassment. If she runs in 2012, I'll vote for Obama to keep her out of office. Though I probably won't even need to: She won't have a chance to begin with. I hope she goes back to the woodwork she came from and is never heard from again on the national stage.

'cause the last thing this country needs is a negative income tax!(they mail every Alaskan a check)

678 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:40:44pm
679 pink freud  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:40:57pm

re: #666 wrenchwench

Straight to the top...of the Bottom Comments.

Deservedly so.

OTOH, at some point, everyone matures. Hopefully.

680 Flyers1974  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:41:01pm

re: #653 iceweasel

What makes you believe Palin was attacked because of misogyny? Do you think that Kay Bailey Hutchinson for example would have been similiarly attacked?

681 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:41:08pm

re: #640 medaura18586

Sarah Palin is an embarrassment. If she runs in 2012, I'll vote for Obama to keep her out of office. Though I probably won't even need to: She won't have a chance to begin with. I hope she goes back to the woodwork she came from and is never heard from again on the national stage.

re: #669 Dan G.

I agree.

She may or may not be presidential material. So which of Obama's policies do you not agree with?

682 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:41:13pm

re: #672 katemaclaren

Wow. Just wow. Maybe we should consider, oh, I don't know, Colin Powell, you know--a real republican.

I hope she is heard loud and clear on a national stage...maybe you should consider not telling others what to consider

683 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:41:13pm

re: #639 brookly red

harm to others...

Thanks.

684 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:41:19pm

re: #677 swamprat

So, you are for the nationalization of industry?

685 jorline  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:41:27pm

bbl

I'm much to upset by the late breaking news.

I don't have a shot at one of those MJ Memorial wristbands thus I will not be attending.
/

Later

686 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:41:29pm

re: #671 Sharmuta

You should stay in the LGF loop a little more. Many of us have walked away from fox.

I have been getting my news exclusively from the internet (usually I browse Memeorandum in the morning for the headlines), but not from the Blogosphere, which I have left due to family concerns. Frankly, I found LGF changed immediately after the election, so my only link to blogs was broken then. I'll definitely check in a little more in future, though, Sharmuta.

687 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:41:46pm

re: #662 ArchangelMichael

If she does that, which I think is as likely as me waking up naked on Altair IV tomorrow morning in bed with Dr. Morbius' daughter, it might be good for "us" if she manages to purge all the Paulians, Gold Standard Fetishists, and Black Helicopter Conspiracy Theory kooks out of that party. There might be a place for conservatives who aren't Christian Socialists or Paulestinians to go.

Seriously... not going to happen.

There is that Alaskan thing that most people who haven't lived in Alaska do not understand. If it's pressure from within the R machine that decided her on this tack, she could be going that way. Just saying.

/it's a lot more likely than Altair anyway

688 swamprat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:41:58pm

re: #646 vbspurs

Who is this anchor on Fox? Is he on "our" side or what? He sounds like he's on Arianna's payroll.

I'm sorry, I have literally not turned on any cable news channel since November 5th 2008, so for all I know, Fox is now to the left of Ted Turner.



Fox News is firmly behind Fox News.

689 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:42:05pm

re: #671 Sharmuta

I won't walk away from FOX. What's the alternative? The P-cox?

690 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:42:28pm

re: #640 medaura18586

An very similar post got AnneFrance carpetbombed with over 400 downdings. You trying for a new record?

691 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:42:33pm

re: #417 jaunte


She seems really radical./


Sarah Palin on combining motherhood with a career: “To any critics who say a woman can’t think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I’d just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave.”

Sarah Palin on her ability to govern Alaska while raising children: “My answer would always be … that I’m going to do the job just as well as any male governor who had kids, you know, I think we can handle this.”

Sarah Palin on raising her children to embrace gender equality: “Because I have both boys and girls I have a greater respect for equality and making sure that gender is not an issue and that everyone is treated equally.”

Sarah Palin on being a “pro-life feminist”: “I believe in the strength and the power of women, and the potential of every human life.”

Sarah Palin on contraception and sex education: “I’m pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don’t have a problem with that. That doesn’t scare me, so it’s something I would support also.”

692 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:42:42pm

re: #640 medaura18586

I'll vote for Obama

Again?

693 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:43:02pm

re: #666 wrenchwench

Straight to the top...of the Bottom Comments.

Right on, Sister. We concur.

694 jaunte  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:43:07pm

re: #680 Flyers1974

What makes you believe Palin was attacked because of misogyny? Do you think that Kay Bailey Hutchinson for example would have been similiarly attacked?

As soon as she get into a political fight, it will happen, and has.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

695 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:43:35pm

re: #631 Dirk Diggler

Did something happen to Michael Jackson?

/;-P

I've heard he's disappeared to get yet another elective surgery. He is having a candle wick inserted into his backside and exiting thru his head so he can be burned like a candle.
//

696 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:43:38pm

re: #692 Wendya

Oh you get a big upding for that!

697 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:43:57pm

re: #630 midwestgak

The joy of harm? uuuw.

You got it.
See my re: #654 callahan23

698 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:44:05pm

re: #681 solomonpanting

Why change the subject? Obama is bad. Palin is worse. Simple.

699 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:44:16pm

re: #675 Wendya

The libertarians would have to drop their anti-war and conspiracy agendas first. I don't see that happening and I'm not holding my breath waiting around for them to join the adults.

I don't see it highly likely either, but there is a streak in most Alaskans that if you piss them off they get more than even.

700 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:44:26pm

re: #655 Flyers1974

I think the obvious explanations are either a big scandal or a private tragedy. If it is a personal tragedy though, I can't think of a reason why she would announce her intentions to resign but not mention the tragedy - or have it relayed via spokesperson. Why do you think the GOP establishment does not like her? I'm not doubting this, just curious as to why you think that is the case.

Some of it is probably jealousy, that a relative newcomer on the stage could have such a shot. Also because Palin does have talents that can't be taught or acquired: her charisma is one formidable example.

But I think the old GOP establishment feared her for the same reason many on the left didn't like her: they didn't like the kind of populism she represented. Don't forget that many on the conservative side thought she was a bad pick. Even people who liked her thought she needed more time to prepare.

In my view, the GOP sacrificed her on the altar of McCain's ambition (and last chance for POTUS). They threw her into the gap and essentially left her there. They didn't prep her enough. The ongoing leaks from McCain staffers-- whatever one thinks they might prove about Palin herself-- certainly prove that the McCain campaign didn't like her and still doesn't.

I think if they'd held off she could have entered the national stage as a viable candidate in 2012 or 2016. But ultimately they didn't give a shit about Palin at all-- only the failed McCain campaign.

701 Gitarzan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:44:28pm

re: #566 Killgore Trout

It seems so. The squabblers are all wound up and LGF is running really slow. Not much interesting conversation here anyways unless you want to debate the titled of a KosKidz thread.
I'll check back latter.

Do the letters "F.O." mean anything to you, KT?

/channeling one of Burt Reynolds' replies to Jackie Gleason from Smokey and the Bandit...

702 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:44:32pm

Sarah Palin scares the piss out of Liberals.

703 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:44:59pm

re: #640 medaura18586

I accidentally Updinged this awful comment. So, I take it back and triple the downding. Damn it.

704 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:44:59pm

re: #693 katemaclaren

Right on, Sister. We concur.

I didn't downding her. I merely pointed out where her comment showed up.

705 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:45:04pm

re: #698 Dan G.

Why change the subject? Obama is bad. Palin is worse. Simple.

Prove it.

706 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:45:07pm

re: #515 katemaclaren

I was really referring to what the main stream means to Muslims--not what it means to us, I wager. The main stream Muslim community world wide has little in common with Main stream Americans.

Interestingly, the individuals I know and I have a lot in common. When you know one person, you actually get to know the person. I know Muslims who love rock music and hot clothes. I know Muslims who wear a head scarf and love the 'net. I know Muslims who want to have a democratic government but currently don't and other Muslims who have one and are damn glad of it. I also know former Muslims, including extremely left-wing people (most former Muslims are atheists), but I'm not counting them - I am talking about practicing Muslims who are not extremists - they are people who happen to be Muslims.

I think it was Montaigne who wrote "No generalization is worth a damn, including this one."

707 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:45:30pm

re: #658 katemaclaren

Oh dear. A second term for Obama. Ohhh dearie me. Well, I would vote for Sarah--and work to get her elected. In fact, if this is what she's going to do--I'll start tomorrow.

we would be a lot better off in this country and a lot safer if she was potus now.
o is shaping up to be the worst totus in the history.

708 swamprat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:45:33pm

re: #684 Dan G.

So, you are for the nationalization of industry?

Which industries did she nationalize?

709 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:45:37pm

re: #698 Dan G.

I spy with my little eye someone who isn't paying much attention.

710 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:46:07pm

re: #699 Thanos

I don't see it highly likely either, but there is a streak in most Alaskans that if you piss them off they get more than even.

Frontier-peoples are like that. I love it.

711 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:46:20pm

re: #705 DEZes

Prove it, or convince you of it?

712 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:46:24pm

re: #689 katemaclaren

I won't walk away from FOX. What's the alternative? The P-cox?

The internet.

713 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:46:38pm

re: #650 Dan G.

Hmmm. a re-enactment of Thriller, perhaps? Maybe this is the start off of his world tour.

/Sicko

Oh, that was a good one.

714 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:46:55pm
715 Westward Ho  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:47:01pm

Why did she quit at the height of her political life? It's so unlike politicians to quit until they are forced to do it for whatever reasons.

716 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:47:03pm

re: #698 Dan G.

Why change the subject? Obama is bad. Palin is worse. Simple.

Put that way, very simple indeed.

717 bloodnok  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:47:07pm

re: #701 talon_262

Do the letters "F.O." mean anything to you, KT?

/channeling one of Burt Reynolds' replies to Jackie Gleason from Smokey and the Bandit...

Expertly argued. You must have been on the debating team.

*eyeroll*

718 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:47:59pm

re: #711 Dan G.

Prove it, or convince you of it?

Links, you gave an opinion.

719 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:48:12pm

re: #703 katemaclaren

I accidentally Updinged this awful comment. So, I take it back and triple the downding. Damn it.

re: #682 albusteve

I hope she is heard loud and clear on a national stage...maybe you should consider not telling others what to consider

I'm getting your context mixed up...sorry

720 Nadnerb  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:48:18pm

I really like Sarah and I wish her well. She is a refreshing face in politics and, despite the glitter of the last election, seems quite earnest.

721 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:49:19pm

The last two callers on Fox have got it right.

If Sarah Palin realised that Alaskan interests were being harmed BECAUSE she was Governor (given the entrenched political negativity towards her, since her candidacy), then is absolutely correct to step down. It is only the conscientious thing to do, if you see an untenable situation.

Unfortunately, her speech was too much of the heart, and didn't come across that way.

722 ladycatnip  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:49:22pm

#686 vbspurs

LOVE your avatar!

723 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:49:37pm

re: #706 Cattt

Cattt, I agree with you. I was making a comment meant to be ironic. I have a ton of students who are Muslims--and they are in the process of assimilating into American life--this is difficult for them culturally because of their own "main stream" religionists. We have had these discussions--where does one's loyalty rest in situations where "Allah" i.e. the mullahs direct action? The women are far more willing to assimilate IF THEY AREN'T MARRIED. When they are married, they are very tentative, but the men? They always feel they can do anything they want and still be good Muslims (pray and observe the "rules"--they ignore the mullahs if it suits them). My experience is as an ESL teacher whose students range in age from 17 to 35.

724 Nadnerb  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:50:01pm

re: #640 medaura18586

Why is she embarrassing?

725 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:50:13pm

What media bias?

Alaska Gov. Wins Dubious Award

/Enjoy that swank cocktail party on the SS Titanic that we sometimes refer to as the Mainstream media, assholes.

726 Gitarzan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:50:24pm

re: #640 medaura18586

Sarah Palin is an embarrassment. If she runs in 2012, I'll vote for Obama to keep her out of office. Though I probably won't even need to: She won't have a chance to begin with. I hope she goes back to the woodwork she came from and is never heard from again on the national stage.

Piss off, you miserable jackass...

727 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:50:25pm

re: #709 katemaclaren

What, I'm not supposed to express my opinion, or my agreement with an opinion because people will show that they disagree with me by dinging down my comments? Pshaw. Palin has no substance. She is purely an emotional stimulator. There are those who support her, but are open to conversation, and then there are those who just emote... a lot like Obamatons... Palinbots... maybe?

Look. The GOPs strongest point against "The One" was his inexperience. Then they go and pick someone without experience and without the ability to take advice from her advisers (you cannot just dismiss evidence because you don't like the messenger).

729 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:50:38pm

re: #712 Sharmuta

No one's guarding that hen house, Sharmuta. What if LGF disappeared and we only had KOS or Huffpost? Which may happen if the pres news conferences are in any way a sign.

730 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:51:17pm

re: #698 Dan G.

Why change the subject? Obama is bad. Palin is worse. Simple.

Alex, I'll take "oh, hell no" for $1,000, please.

731 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:51:24pm

re: #714 buzzsawmonkey

Howz about we both do it, at the same time. ;)

732 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:51:29pm

re: #722 ladycatnip

#686 vbspurs

LOVE your avatar!

Hehe. I forgot all about it since November! Naturally, lurkers who are salivating for the next registration window are wondering what it is -- well, SUFFER!

733 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:51:29pm

re: #726 talon_262

Good for you, Talon! Tell it like it is.

734 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:51:46pm

re: #729 katemaclaren

No one's guarding that hen house, Sharmuta. What if LGF disappeared and we only had KOS or Huffpost? Which may happen if the pres news conferences are in any way a sign.

SAY WHAT?

735 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:51:51pm
736 Conservative Moonbat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:52:12pm

re: #698 Dan G.

Palin was one of the main reasons I didn't vote for McCain. There's a lot of us out here in the middle who just couldn't stand her. The sooner the Republicans come to terms with that the sooner they will be looking at a candidate who has appeal to swing voters.

737 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:52:26pm

re: #730 Cattt

LOL. I'm not sure what you mean--but that was dang funny!

738 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:52:26pm

re: #723 katemaclaren

Ahhh. Good point - interesting point.

739 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:52:28pm

re: #727 Dan G.

Stop repeating democratic talking points and "unnamed McCain" advisors.

740 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:52:35pm

What if Sarah Palin's sudden withdrawal from politics is a result of a terminal illness?

I'm sure Huff Po and DKos comment sections will be a models of decorum and respect if that is the case.

741 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:53:09pm

re: #736 Conservative Moonbat

Me too. I was thoroughly behind him until this egregious lack of judgment.

742 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:53:09pm

re: #733 katemaclaren

Good for you, Talon! Tell it like it is.

Katemclaren...I'm trying to apologize with the quote button, it's not working well...so I apologize for getting shitty

743 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:53:25pm

re: #734 callahan23

Sorry, Cal, I was just responding to Sharm's comment about walking away from Fox--saying that the internet was the alternative. I was politely disagreeing!

744 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:53:25pm

Since when is July 3rd the day when people announce their divorces?

/Via Julia Piscatelli on Fox

745 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:53:43pm
746 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:54:03pm

re: #728 Slumbering Behemoth

Is Palin’s national political career over?

Ed Morrissey says "Yes".

747 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:54:03pm

re: #736 Conservative Moonbat

Palin was one of the main reasons I didn't vote for McCain. There's a lot of us out here in the middle who just couldn't stand her. The sooner the Republicans come to terms with that the sooner they will be looking at a candidate who has appeal to swing voters.

If you voted for Obama or stayed home because of Palin, then you are no conservative, but maybe a moonbat.

748 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:54:07pm

re: #698 Dan G.

Why change the subject? Obama is bad. Palin is worse. Simple.

Palin wants to nationalize your healthcare... the auto industries... banks...?

Really?

749 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:54:10pm

re: #729 katemaclaren

No one's guarding that hen house, Sharmuta. What if LGF disappeared and we only had KOS or Huffpost? Which may happen if the pres news conferences are in any way a sign.

Give the damn hens weapons. Why shouldn't hens be self-policing? (Actually, hens can be pretty pesky, as anyone who's ever been around chickens will know.) :D

750 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:55:09pm

re: #739 Nevergiveup

As soon as you stop quoting Palin talking points. I came to the judgment of "inadequate" all on my own, from watching her speak (she's all over the place).

751 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:55:23pm

Fox just cut off everything to show Palin talking about point-guard strategy. They seem to be relishing promoting the image that she's a dingbat.

752 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:55:37pm

re: #727 Dan G.

What, I'm not supposed to express my opinion, or my agreement with an opinion because people will show that they disagree with me by dinging down my comments? Pshaw. Palin has no substance. She is purely an emotional stimulator. There are those who support her, but are open to conversation, and then there are those who just emote... a lot like Obamatons... Palinbots... maybe?

Look. The GOPs strongest point against "The One" was his inexperience. Then they go and pick someone without experience and without the ability to take advice from her advisers (you cannot just dismiss evidence because you don't like the messenger).

gonna have to ding you down
Palin was not running against 0bama
thought you liberals had been told that a brazzillion times already

753 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:55:47pm

Crap. Now what are we going to do?
Unless she is resigning to focus on 2012.
Or to fight General Zod.
I'm good for either one.

754 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:55:48pm

re: #737 katemaclaren

LOL. I'm not sure what you mean--but that was dang funny!

Lol! People say that to me a lot! :D

755 Cathypop  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:55:51pm

re: #736 Conservative Moonbat

Palin was one of the main reasons I didn't vote for McCain. There's a lot of us out here in the middle who just couldn't stand her. The sooner the Republicans come to terms with that the sooner they will be looking at a candidate who has appeal to swing voters.


BULLSHIT!

756 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:56:07pm

re: #750 Dan G.

As soon as you stop quoting Palin talking points. I came to the judgment of "inadequate" all on my own, from watching her speak (she's all over the place).

And were did I quote anything? If you can't be right at least be accurate.

757 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:56:29pm

re: #748 Wendya

She had no problem with the nationalized Oil, or putting the screws to the oil companies in AK... did she? She had no problem jumping the nationalized insurance bandwagon (as mentioned in the VF article) with a big lie of her own, did she?

758 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:56:36pm

re: #721 vbspurs

The last two callers on Fox have got it right.

If Sarah Palin realised that Alaskan interests were being harmed BECAUSE she was Governor (given the entrenched political negativity towards her, since her candidacy), then is absolutely correct to step down. It is only the conscientious thing to do, if you see an untenable situation.

Unfortunately, her speech was too much of the heart, and didn't come across that way.

She's now explaining more. Saying about her children being hurt by seeing Trig mocked and made fun of by adults who should know better.

759 Pickles  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:57:10pm

I hope all is well with her and if she wishes to leave the scene for good, I say good for her. She had issues and some which were of ligitimate concern, but the nastiness of the press towards her and the demeaning way some treated her was just wrong.

760 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:57:16pm

re: #736 Conservative Moonbat

Palin was one of the main reasons I didn't vote for McCain. There's a lot of us out here in the middle who just couldn't stand her. The sooner the Republicans come to terms with that the sooner they will be looking at a candidate who has appeal to swing voters.

If you're "Conservative", I'm Bea Arthur.

761 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:57:32pm

re: #715 Westward Ho

Why did she quit at the height of her political life? It's so unlike politicians to quit until they are forced to do it for whatever reasons.

I suppose she could have stuck it out and survived another couple dozen ethics complaints initiated by bloggers being in the news 24/7. At least this takes the heat off her and allows the new Alaska governor to actually govern instead of spending all his time fighting frivolous and malicious complaints.

762 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:57:32pm

re: #735 buzzsawmonkey

I haven't seen you lately - been working hard - and missed your posts - actually thought "wonder what buzzsaw is saying today?" several times.

763 jaunte  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:57:44pm

Political disagreements with Sarah Palin's positions allowed some people to let their misogyny run wild. I'd support her just to be in opposition to some of these freaks. Here's an example: [Link: shakespearessister.blogspot.com...]

764 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:58:09pm

re: #743 katemaclaren

Sorry, Cal, I was just responding to Sharm's comment about walking away from Fox--saying that the internet was the alternative. I was politely disagreeing!

Yes I understood that part, but:

What if LGF disappeared ... ... Which may happen if the pres news conferences are in any way a sign.

Is there an intended policy by the WH to outlaw sites such as LGF?

765 Cathypop  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:58:11pm

re: #757 Dan G.

She had no problem with the nationalized Oil, or putting the screws to the oil companies in AK... did she? She had no problem jumping the nationalized insurance bandwagon (as mentioned in the VF article) with a big lie of her own, did she?

Danny go play somewhere else.

766 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:58:13pm

re: #752 Adrenalyn

Its a package deal dumbass.

767 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:58:31pm

re: #765 Cathypop

No.

768 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:58:37pm

re: #736 Conservative Moonbat

Palin was one of the main reasons I didn't vote for McCain. There's a lot of us out here in the middle who just couldn't stand her. The sooner the Republicans come to terms with that the sooner they will be looking at a candidate who has appeal to swing voters.

Well, gee. Just wonderful. And thanks very much for our super-charismatic alternative--the Big O. What is that saying? With friends like this...?

769 NoWhereAlaska  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:58:43pm

re: #757 Dan G.

She had no problem with the nationalized Oil, or putting the screws to the oil companies in AK... did she?

You are full of sh*t. Yes she help create a better tax structure on oil in Alaska. The previous good old boys had created a sweetheart deal for them. So it is now more equitable. But no oil company was nationalized

770 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:58:45pm

re: #752 Adrenalyn

gonna have to ding you down
Palin was not running against 0bama
thought you liberals had been told that a brazzillion times already

They certainly acted as if she were running against him. Of course, they're not particularly bright so it's not much of a surprise.

771 Gitarzan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:58:53pm

re: #717 bloodnok

Expertly argued. You must have been on the debating team.

*eyeroll*

Takes a master debater to know one...

/

772 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:58:57pm

re: #757 Dan G.

She had no problem with the nationalized Oil, or putting the screws to the oil companies in AK... did she? She had no problem jumping the nationalized insurance bandwagon (as mentioned in the VF article) with a big lie of her own, did she?

So your okay with Obama doing all of the above?

773 Nadnerb  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:58:58pm

Sarah was the best decision John McCain made during the campaign because he brought her into the limelight. His squishy ideology and failure to attack Obama are the reasons why he lost. He could not play ball and iluminate the message well enough. Sarah Palin is clear, reasoned and genuine. I voted for McCain because he was more worthy than BHO and no doubt tougher on foreign policy, but I do not agree with him and his clones in our government.

774 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:59:04pm

re: #768 katemaclaren

Well, gee. Just wonderful. And thanks very much for our super-charismatic alternative--the Big O. What is that saying? With friends like this...?

He's no friend

775 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 2:59:39pm

re: #757 Dan G.

She had no problem with the nationalized Oil, or putting the screws to the oil companies in AK... did she? She had no problem jumping the nationalized insurance bandwagon (as mentioned in the VF article) with a big lie of her own, did she?

I'm pretty sure your grasp on Alaska's oil policy needs a little work.

776 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:00:03pm

re: #764 callahan23

Well, I don't know? I surely hope not? They'd find me on the lawn with a protest sign if that were the case. ;-)

777 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:00:41pm

re: #766 Dan G.

Its a package deal dumbass.

Oh insults, go ahead and melt down.
I'll make popcorn.

778 Cathypop  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:00:46pm

re: #767 Dan G.

No.


Get your shit together and quit spouting false statements.

779 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:00:59pm

IMO ... one of the reasons many do not like Palin is because they cannot understand why she does not walk around the block to say what she means ... I believe some in politics have been listening to the "words" of politics for so long they cannot understand real everyday speak ... just as they think most from red states are redneck whatever the hell that means to them ... people who looked down on her think way too much of themselves ... her family took hits like I have never seen in politics ever ...

780 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:01:00pm
781 swamprat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:01:09pm

I think Mrs. Palin has read her SunTzu.

782 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:01:13pm

re: #757 Dan G.

She had no problem with the nationalized Oil, or putting the screws to the oil companies in AK... did she? She had no problem jumping the nationalized insurance bandwagon (as mentioned in the VF article) with a big lie of her own, did she?

Are you nuts? ...or just playing everyone here?

783 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:01:29pm

re: #769 NoWhereAlaska

Where does the Alaska oil dividend come from?

784 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:01:44pm

re: #777 DEZes

I'll get the beer.

785 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:02:06pm

re: #783 Dan G.

Where does the Alaska oil dividend come from?

well, tell us...

786 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:02:08pm

re: #782 katemaclaren

I'm waiting for comments of substance, not just weak insults.

787 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:02:26pm

re: #783 Dan G.

Where does the Alaska oil dividend come from?

Where are the oil companies drilling again?

788 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:02:32pm
789 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:02:33pm

re: #781 swamprat

Oh that was a clever thing to say! Upding for you.

790 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:02:35pm

re: #785 katemaclaren

... I'm waiting... are you ever going to answer a question?

791 Flyers1974  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:02:45pm

re: #700 iceweasel

Jealousy in politics wouldn't shock me at all, although I don't buy that her charisma was a source of jealousy or that jealousy caused the GOP to not back her. Her rapid assension would cause jealousy though, I think.

Was she a populist? She seemed to me very conservative, but I didn't see her as on the populist side. As far as being a bad pick, I thought she was McCain's only chance. Huge upside but potential to be a GOP heartbreaker - which appears to be true. As far as sacrificing her, there was no reason I could see that they couldn't use her AND prepare her. And don't the losers in presidential campaigns always snipe to some degree? Agreed this sniping is more than usual however.

792 brookly red  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:02:56pm

re: #783 Dan G.

Where does the Alaska oil dividend come from?

selling oil?

793 NoWhereAlaska  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:03:03pm

re: #783 Dan G.

Where does the Alaska oil dividend come from?

From a tax structure on publicly owned oil reserves. It is a portion of the moneys going back to the public. Nice idea huh. Paying folks for what you take.

794 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:03:13pm

re: #766 Dan G.

Its a package deal dumbass.

yes, yes YES !


the incivility of the left
(copyright 2008, me) on display

well done, you just scored a point for my team

thank you Mrs Pelosi

795 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:03:34pm

Couldn't be more OT-
Any Fantasy Baseball players in here? Today I reap the benefits of one of my league-mates making a knee-jerk decision 50 MLB games ago. He cut Manny the day his suspension began rather than keep him on his bench. I dropped my 5th outfielder and picked him up for nothing.

796 Conservative Moonbat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:03:36pm

re: #752 Adrenalyn

re: #752 Adrenalyn

gonna have to ding you down
Palin was not running against 0bama
thought you liberals had been told that a brazzillion times already

McCain/Palin was running against Obama/Biden.. Each is the sum of two parts. Given McCains age and health history some of us who initially would have supported McCain felt the risk of a president Palin too great to chance.

797 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:03:45pm

re: #774 Nevergiveup

Amen to that.

798 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:03:49pm

Failure: Thy name is Stimulus.

“Be sure to thank the President and Congress. This week, with news of some 467,000 jobs lost in June, the Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that the U.S. has now lost about two million jobs since the economic stimulus package passed. Even more notable is that the average workweek has been slashed to 33 hours - the lowest number on record. When the President signed his $787 billion stimulus package into law, he confidently asserted that unemployment would not exceed eight percent. If Congress hadn’t passed it, he warned, it would rise to nine percent by 2010. Well, unemployment reached 9.5 percent last month, meaning, by the President’s own logic, that his stimulus package has failed.”

/No worries- Palin is an idiot-- and Obama and Joe Biden are genius.

799 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:04:05pm

re: #786 Dan G.

I'm waiting for comments of substance, not just weak insults.

Why don't you google the "Alaska Permanent Fund" and get back to us. When we're all on the same page, we can discuss it.

800 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:04:08pm

re: #786 Dan G.

I'm waiting for comments of substance, not just weak insults.

Your stalling.

801 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:04:28pm

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

"semi-independent" = fascist.

802 Dan G.  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:04:38pm

re: #800 DEZes

No. I have a life.

803 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:04:51pm

re: #795 Lincolntf

Couldn't be more OT-
Any Fantasy Baseball players in here? Today I reap the benefits of one of my league-mates making a knee-jerk decision 50 MLB games ago. He cut Manny the day his suspension began rather than keep him on his bench. I dropped my 5th outfielder and picked him up for nothing.

The real Dodgers played that one a tad smarter than your league -mate I think.

804 Nadnerb  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:04:54pm

re: #727 Dan G.

I get the emotional reaction to Palin, but she has experience in managing a very important state. re: #796 Conservative Moonbat

You need to grow a pair.

805 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:05:02pm

re: #796 Conservative Moonbat

re: #752 Adrenalyn


McCain/Palin was running against Obama/Biden.. Each is the sum of two parts. Given McCains age and health history some of us who initially would have supported McCain felt the risk of a president Palin too great to chance.

Then thankf**kingGod we have Obama/Biden.

806 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:05:22pm

re: #801 Dan G.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

"semi-independent" = fascist.

You have lost your mind.

807 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:05:30pm

re: #640 medaura18586

Sarah Palin is an embarrassment. If she runs in 2012, I'll vote for Obama to keep her out of office. Though I probably won't even need to: She won't have a chance to begin with. I hope she goes back to the woodwork she came from and is never heard from again on the national stage.

I think she is probably a decent person, but yes, she isn't cut out for politics, certainly not at the presidential level. I think she may have realised that herself.

808 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:05:30pm

An Open Note to the conjoined twins known as the mainstream media and democrat party politics:
In the next couple years, you are going to wonder just what the watershed moment was where you lost your abilities to continue on and on with your narratives.
This is that watershed moment.
Love:
t2m

809 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:05:34pm

re: #470 vbspurs

Don't like him. Don't like Romney. And frankly, Newt Gingrich has problems with his private life (as Clinton did, but remember, he's a liberal. It's a different set of standards for them). Jindal? I don't know.

I feel politically orphaned right now.

I'm liking Rep. Cantor so far, and it doesn't hurt that he's a hottie.

810 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:06:05pm

By the end of the campaign, Palin rallies were far outdrawing McCain rallies, 50K people in a cold rain.

/do the math

811 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:06:32pm

re: #796 Conservative Moonbat

re: #752 Adrenalyn


McCain/Palin was running against Obama/Biden.. Each is the sum of two parts. Given McCains age and health history some of us who initially would have supported McCain felt the risk of a president Palin too great to chance.

Well, I hope you're fucking happy now.

812 Gitarzan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:06:52pm

re: #760 vbspurs

If you're "Conservative", I'm Bea Arthur.

That'd be quite a feat, since Bea Arthur recently shuffled off her mortal coil... ;-P

813 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:06:58pm

re: #805 solomonpanting

Then thankf**kingGod we have Obama/Biden.

glad you handled that
and very well

I am at a loss for understanding that posters viewpoint

814 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:07:05pm

re: #682 albusteve

well, it's a dirty job, but someone has to do it.

815 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:07:42pm

re: #811 MandyManners

Well, I hope you're fucking happy now.

Of course he/she is. They are only masquerading as conservatives here. We know what they are.

816 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:08:03pm

re: #802 Dan G.

No. I have a life.

So happy for you.

817 Adrenalyn  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:08:53pm

re: #811 MandyManners

Well, I hope you're fucking happy now.

such a succinct statement, summarizing the status of the state

818 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:09:11pm

re: #802 Dan G.

No. I have a life.

You are getting kind of pissy, hon.

819 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:09:23pm

re: #796 Conservative Moonbat

re: #752 Adrenalyn

McCain/Palin was running against Obama/Biden.. Each is the sum of two parts. Given McCains age and health history some of us who initially would have supported McCain felt the risk of a president Palin too great to chance.

and you were foolish because look what you have.

820 NoWhereAlaska  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:09:52pm

re: #816 DEZes

So happy for you.

Yes but what's a life without a brain, particularly when he is totally full of his own ..***.. of well never mind--he's a lost cause anyway.

821 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:10:05pm

re: #811 MandyManners

Well, I hope you're fucking happy now.

I am sooo biting my tongue here.

822 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:10:29pm

re: #802 Dan G.

No. I have a life.

/and you spend it here?

823 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:10:35pm

Actually, upon reflection, it seems that the very fact that no one saw this coming (other than the Palins themselves), may mean that Sarah will not BE a Republican much longer. Maybe the entire McCain staff thing put her off. She seems to be a very straight-shooting (pun intended) blunt woman who knows her own mind. If she comes up short on some issues--she's the type that will take it on and get it right. One thing is clear--she knows her own mind and isn't afraid to make surprising decisions. Keeping other politicians off-balance is a trait that I actually admire. And she can be very charming--remember that head of state who couldn't keep his hands off her?

824 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:10:37pm

re: #779 JacksonTn

IMO ... one of the reasons many do not like Palin is because they cannot understand why she does not walk around the block to say what she means ... I believe some in politics have been listening to the "words" of politics for so long they cannot understand real everyday speak ...

I couldn't agree with you more. I think that's what makes those who like her (and frankly, I more than like her, I admire her to bits) very sentimental and protective about her. It's like they don't want her to change, because it's genuine.

However, let's not kid ourselves. The lady is a shrewd political operative who like many Republicans, those who politically oppose her, constantly underestimate her. She knows how to exploit that weakness.

As for today's announcement, I'm just waiting for more daylight, because I cannot see the benefits outweighing the negatives at the moment.

825 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:10:44pm

OMG...Artest goes to the Lakers!
The Lakers just picked up the toughest..Meanest defender in the NBA..
Fuck!
/anybody got a spare noose around here?
:)
Lord. The Lakers just doubled down on 10

826 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:10:45pm

re: #820 NoWhereAlaska

Yes but what's a life without a brain, particularly when he is totally full of his own ..***.. of well never mind--he's a lost cause anyway.

We have 3 moonbats that need to see the wizard.

827 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:10:54pm

re: #791 Flyers1974

Flyers-- I'm saving this and will get back to you, esp in re: what I mean by populism. It might have to be on a less angry thread though!
At the moment, I'm checking other places for Palin reaction/rumours.

People here won't want to hear this, but the general consensus out there so far from conservative places is that her statement was...a bit disjointed, to say the least. When Fox and National Review and even Rich lowry, a huge Palin fan, think it went badly...that isn't liberal bias.

BBIAB
cheers, ice

828 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:11:29pm

re: #822 Killian Bundy

Didn't that list of Internet disorders from yesterday have a category for this guy?

829 pink freud  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:11:40pm

re: #826 DEZes

We have 3 moonbats that need to see the wizard.

5

830 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:11:45pm

re: #811 MandyManners

Well, I hope you're fucking happy now.

Mandy? Hugs and updings for your pith.

831 Ziggy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:12:10pm

re: #562 Flyers1974

I have to wonder why the GOP wouldn't help one of its brightest national stars.

Because they're threatened by her too. She's not a party hack. She on the side of America, not a party. The Republican Party is dead or dying.

832 sngnsgt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:12:23pm

re: #829 pink freud

At least.

833 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:12:28pm

September 2011:

Good evening. I'll read short statement then take a few questions.

I'm announcing my candidacy for the President of the United States of America. I believe that I can bring America back to the days of wealth and prosperity, much like I brought wealth and prosperity to the great state of Alaska. Obviously, I cannot screw up the country any more than has already been accomplished by Barrack Obama.

Thank you.

- Sarah Palin

834 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:12:32pm

re: #825 HoosierHoops

uh, isnt this off topic? or did I hit a bump to another thread?

835 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:12:59pm
Well, I hope you're fucking happy now.

I'm always happy when I'm f_cking.

/;-P

836 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:13:07pm

re: #811 MandyManners

Well, I hope you're fucking happy now.

{MandyManners}

837 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:13:14pm

re: #809 Cattt

I'm liking Rep. Cantor so far, and it doesn't hurt that he's a hottie.

He was voted one of the "Hottest Washington Insiders", or some such. Not a big list.

/"politics is showbiz for ugly people"

838 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:13:24pm

re: #823 katemaclaren

...actualliy, wouldn't it be FUNNY if she decided to become a---wait for it--DEMOCRAT!

hahahahaha.

839 swamprat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:13:51pm

Alaskas' return revenue is from its mineral rights. Many states claim mineral rights. Forida does. Texas does not.

840 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:13:55pm

re: #835 Dirk Diggler

I'm always happy when I'm f_cking.

/;-P

YOU are a bad, bad, boy?

841 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:14:15pm

re: #834 katemaclaren

uh, isnt this off topic? or did I hit a bump to another thread?

He was .. uh .. trying to defuse the tension in this room?
;-)

842 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:14:16pm

re: #825 HoosierHoops

OMG...Artest goes to the Lakers!
The Lakers just picked up the toughest..Meanest defender in the NBA..
Fuck!
/anybody got a spare noose around here?
:)
Lord. The Lakers just doubled down on 10

Yeah baby!

Actually I'm sad to see Ariza go.

843 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:14:29pm

re: #825 HoosierHoops

Lord. The Lakers just doubled down on 10

Curiously, Sarah Palin also doubled down today.

844 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:14:31pm

re: #821 Cattt

heh!

845 brookly red  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:14:50pm

re: #831 Ziggy

Because they're threatened by her too. She's not a party hack. She on the side of America, not a party. The Republican Party is dead or dying.

and she has the power to revive or bury it...

846 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:15:03pm

re: #841 callahan23

LOL! Sure, that's it!

847 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:15:27pm

re: #834 katemaclaren

uh, isnt this off topic? or did I hit a bump to another thread?

After 800 posts Charles lets me talk about Ball...I know he is a Lakers fan and secretly smiling right now...Damn you Charles!
/Just teasing...

848 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:15:30pm

Back from an errand run. Of course I couldn't go 100 feet without seeing Obama's name or even his face plastered on some bumper sticker.

849 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:15:34pm

I like Sarah, but I don't like her timing on this. Right now O's run up a record job loss for the last quarter century, and this moves the focus off that.

850 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:15:38pm

re: #826 DEZes

We have 3 moonbats that need to see the wizard.

LOL! First real laugh of the thread for me. Riunite on ice, anyone?

851 Ziggy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:16:11pm

re: #845 brookly red

and she has the power to revive or bury it...


Amen.

852 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:16:23pm
853 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:16:25pm

re: #829 pink freud

5

You're so worried you need to keep a list? :)

854 jvic  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:16:29pm

re: #520 lobo91

re: #478 Killian Bundy

No, Washington D.C., they're all there.

/A Muslim 4th of July: "Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness"

Either you forgot a sarcasm tag, or you're unaware of the many connections between that event's sponsors (ISNA and MSA) and terrorism.

Indeed. I clicked that link, and went on to the event's link, with the hope that I'd see moderate Islam adapting to Western modernity.

No mention of patriotism. No mention of separation between state and church (or temple, mosque, sacred grove, etc). No mention of the right of individuals to practice the faith of their choice (or none).

I continue to hope for a moderate Islam that is compatible with democratic pluralism. However, hopes are not outcomes. I wonder if practitioners of taqqiya say 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' in the same sense that they say 'religion of peace'.

855 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:17:02pm

re: #839 swamprat

I thought Texas had all their mineral rights--and the revenue stream paid for the education system. I can't remember, though, where I heard that. I thought, in fact, that it was a condition of their statehood--that the state (not the Fed) kept the rights. I may be talking complete nonsense--I'd better shut up!

856 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:17:15pm

re: #831 Ziggy

Because they're threatened by her too.

Yes.

She's not a party hack.

Yes.

She on the side of America, not a party.

Yes.

The Republican Party is dead or dying.

Bollocks.

857 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:17:26pm

re: #847 HoosierHoops

;-)

858 pink freud  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:17:26pm

re: #853 iceweasel

You're so worried you need to keep a list? :)

Not too difficult a task to count turds in the punchbowl.

859 yochanan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:17:59pm

re: #838 katemaclaren

FRANKLY SHE IS MORE LIKE TEDDY ROOSEVELT THAN ANY DONKEY.
so the BULL MOOSE PARTY would make sense

860 equable  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:18:23pm

Honestly, after the way the media treated her and after the way her own party threw her under the bus I wouldn't blame her for calling it quits.

Still, I have a lot of admiration for her and hope that she still serves our nation in some capacity.

861 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:18:42pm

If Palin wants to run for President, she's got a literal machine out there just waiting to be organized.

/the sheer magnitude of unsolicited grassroots support she enjoys, justified or not, is what truly scares LLLs

862 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:18:43pm

re: #827 iceweasel


People here won't want to hear this, but the general consensus out there so far from conservative places is that her statement was...a bit disjointed, to say the least. When Fox and National Review and even Rich lowry, a huge Palin fan, think it went badly...that isn't liberal bias.

The same consensus that gave us McCain? That doesn't exactly ring my bells.

863 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:18:47pm

re: #849 Thanos

I like Sarah, but I don't like her timing on this. Right now O's run up a record job loss for the last quarter century, and this moves the focus off that.

A 'record job loss' that now includes the Governor Of Alaska.

864 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:19:00pm

re: #850 vbspurs

LOL! First real laugh of the thread for me. Riunite on ice, anyone?

Laughter is food for the soul. ;)

865 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:19:13pm

re: #853 iceweasel

You're so worried you need to keep a list? :)

you're so paranoid you think someone is referencing you?

866 Grand Poobah  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:19:21pm

re: #470 vbspurs

You should always feel politically orphaned. Politicians are always trying to save their own ass regardless of political party. That's why I liked Palin quite a bit. She was always just trying to do her best.

I actually met her biographer (she had one written about her several months before people even had her about her) and Palin all along had just been an energetic communitarian who had been urged by her peers to run for office, each office more grand than the next.

Palin was just making a real difference, and people like David Letterman, Tina Fey, and Katie Couric can't handle an attractive person making a difference, because it makes their lives all the more pathetic.

867 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:19:22pm

re: #837 vbspurs

He was voted one of the "Hottest Washington Insiders", or some such. Not a big list.

/"politics is showbiz for ugly people"

I like his intelligence and conservatism on the economy, but I tend to phase out on his looks when I listen to him. He is HAWT.

868 swamprat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:19:28pm

Why is everybody so agitated? They don't like Palin and now she's gone. No more worries. I know it's trure because insiders at MSNBC said so. They wouldn't lie. We can relax


../heh

869 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:19:56pm
870 yochanan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:20:00pm

re: #848 Gus 802

Back from an errand run. Of course I couldn't go 100 feet without seeing Obama's name or even his face plastered on some bumper sticker.

i was thinking of putting one up in my washroom

871 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:20:06pm

re: #865 nyc redneck

you're so paranoid you think someone is referencing you?

BULLSEYE!

872 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:20:25pm

re: #865 nyc redneck

you're so paranoid you think someone is referencing you?

Where did I say that? Interesting 'insight' on your part.

873 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:21:00pm

re: #870 yochanan

i was thinking of putting one up in my washroom

Toilet seat?

How about marketing a urinal cake version?

//

874 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:21:20pm

re: #872 iceweasel

Where did I say that? Interesting 'insight' on your part.

875 itellu3times  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:21:35pm

re: #825 HoosierHoops

... but is that a good move, losing Ariza for Artest?

876 Flyers1974  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:21:38pm

re: #831 Ziggy

Because they're threatened by her too. She's not a party hack. She on the side of America, not a party. The Republican Party is dead or dying.

The GOP has had a tough few years, but I don't think its dead or dying - they've made bad decisions and have had bad luck I think...unless demographic changes, i.e., growing hispanic population will cause this. And as for oft-floated idea of Hispanics changing the political landscape, for all anyone knows they could well end up as Republicans in a decade, etc... .

877 yochanan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:21:48pm

re: #873 Gus 802

details details

878 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:21:50pm

re: #827 iceweasel

Flyers-- I'm saving this and will get back to you, esp in re: what I mean by populism. It might have to be on a less angry thread though!
At the moment, I'm checking other places for Palin reaction/rumours.

People here won't want to hear this, but the general consensus out there so far from conservative places is that her statement was...a bit disjointed, to say the least. When Fox and National Review and even Rich lowry, a huge Palin fan, think it went badly...that isn't liberal bias.

BBIAB
cheers, ice

ice, if that is general consensus, then I am way out of the general consensus. Disjointed? When a person speaks from the heart sans teleprompter and lays it bare, what makes that disjointed in any way? It's about money, as in saving Alaska (and herself) some cash and some grief from all the legal crap coming her way. It's about avoiding lame duck syndrome, it's about avoiding politics as usual. When I hear something disjointed, I go away all confused, or think it's not worth working through that muddle. I'm feeling neither after hearing her announcement. As far as anyone thinking it went badly, Palin fans or critics, it's only opinion. The future holds the answers.

879 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:22:31pm

Hot Air is reporting that Palin is out of politics for good.

880 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:22:40pm

re: #877 yochanan

details details

Right.

I might have to go to sensitivity training now. =]

//

881 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:22:43pm

re: #866 Grand Poobah

I actually met her biographer (she had one written about her several months before people even had her about her)

You mean Kaylene Johnson? I actually wrote a review on Amazon about her Palin biography -- it was remarkably prescient to write that book, when she did. Like that Israeli filmmaker's documentary.

882 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:23:02pm

re: #878 Silvergirl

i When I hear something disjointed,


I'm generally listening to Joe Biden.

883 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:23:04pm

re: #879 Dirk Diggler

Hot Air is reporting that Palin is out of politics for good.

So was Nxon. Forever is short time in politics.

884 Equable  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:23:04pm

In fact when she came here to Southern California (kick ass rally) there were boners hanging signs on the 605 freeway overpasses with really cute left-wing brand tolerance phrases like "bitch go home". I tried to take down as many as I could, because whereas I am all for expressing your political leanings by littering the freeway - "bitch" just left a bad taste in my mouth.

It's funny really. It wasn't too long ago that hanging a sign like that would be a form of civil disobedience - now, for a young conservative such as myself taking a sign like that down is civil disobedience.

Ah how the times have changed.

885 medaura18586  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:23:10pm

re: #690 ArchangelMichael

An very similar post got AnneFrance carpetbombed with over 400 downdings. You trying for a new record?

The dings don't mean anything to me, whether they're up or down. They signal nothing more or less than this crowd's approval, which is epiphenomenal to the veracity of my statements. Nurturing my "karma" ranks very low in my priorities in life, and if my comment is to be a lightning rod, so be it.

But be advised that in the real world of politics, the electoral college, and the Zeitgeist of the American electorate, as opposed to LGF down-to-up- ding ratios, my comment would fare much better, unfortunately for you. If anyone here sincerely thinks Sarah Palin will be the antidote to Obama, they're delusional, and we'll get eight full years of Obama, whether I stay home on election day or not.

While Obama is the pseudo-intellectual post-modern president the masses have fallen for, Palin is the anti-intellectual. But while Obama is an expert at concocting an image of himself much grander than the sum of his accomplishments -- he is a master of deception -- Sarah Palin's populism, anti-intellectualism, and provincialism is plain for everyone to see. She is not the wholesome girl next door either -- but a power hungry paragon of mediocrity and the worst product of right-wing populist politics. She is wholly incompetent in economics and foreign policy, so just what makes her think she deserves to be president, or even qualifies her for the position?

Out of all the streams of commentary rationalizing the result of the 2008 election, the one that clicked with me the most was P.J. O'Rourke's We Blew it. I take it for granted that collectivist socialists are out of their minds and don't know what they are doing. If Republicans want to offer an alternative worth getting excited over though, they have to smarten up and start making sense. I'd rather withdraw from politics altogether than vote motivated by a "lesser of the two evils" mentality.

Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, and their ilk, are not the way to secure the future. For Republicans to rally up beyond them would be to dig their hole deeper. I'd rather undermine their ambitions early on than be stuck with the consequences of putting all the eggs of Obama's opposition in their basket.

re: #703 katemaclaren

I accidentally Updinged this awful comment. So, I take it back and triple the downding. Damn it.

Be my guest.

re: #681 solomonpanting

She may or may not be presidential material. So which of Obama's policies do you not agree with?

All of them I can think of, except his pro-choice stance... which should give you pause to think of just how unpalatable Sarah Palin is that I'd vote even for Obama, who makes me sick, if it means voting against her.

886 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:23:23pm

re: #869 buzzsawmonkey

Iceweasel probably thinks this song is about him/her.

Not at all. Besides, I think there's a lot more than 5 turds in this particular punchbowl.

BTW folks. Jim Geraghty at NRO has an interesting take:

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

Not finishing her first term will provide a major, major, major obstacle to any presidential bid. I thought a 2012 campaign would be a mistake; from today's comments, it's not clear whether Palin is still interested in that option.

But the moment she expresses an interest in a presidential bid, every rival, Republican and Democrat, will uncork the ready-made zinger: "If elected, would she serve the full four years, or quit sometime in the third year again?"

But as noted, Palin is 45. Life will go on, after this upcoming presidential election, and the next. People thought Richard Nixon was through after the 1960 election. When Ronald Reagan failed to dislodge President Ford in 1976, people thought he had blown his best chance at the presidency. People thought Bill Clinton destroyed his political future with an endlessly long-winded speech at the 1988 Democratic National Convention.

If Palin decides to seek the presidency at the age that Hillary Clinton was when she ran in the 2008 cycle, she will be running in... 2024. That's a half a generation, and several political lifetimes, away.

Sounds about right to me. 2012 looks out, but the future could bring many things.
BBL

887 swamprat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:23:28pm

re: #855 katemaclaren

You are correct. Texas grants mineral rights to the land holder. Florida does not.

888 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:23:32pm
889 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:23:46pm

re: #875 itellu3times

... but is that a good move, losing Ariza for Artest?

Artest is 30 and phenomenal defensive player. Pretty good shooter too. As long as he keeps his cool it should be OK for the Lakers. But I will miss Trevor. Not sure why the Lakers made this move - the salary was about the same. Ariza brought a lot to the court.

890 itellu3times  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:23:54pm

I got nuthin to say on topic - that hasn't already been said six times. Wassup with Palin - what could possibly be sup? I doubt I want to hear it.

Not that I think it matters, she was not going to be a successful national candidate in this country in the next thousand years.

891 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:23:59pm

STOP! Hold on! Stay in control...

892 GGMac  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:24:01pm

re: #154 Wendya

No, it's not. It's a normal part of being a woman. You deal with it.

Right - we're not known as steel magnolias for nuttin'!

893 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:24:08pm

re: #827 iceweasel

Flyers-- I'm saving this and will get back to you, esp in re: what I mean by populism. It might have to be on a less angry thread though!
At the moment, I'm checking other places for Palin reaction/rumours.

People here won't want to hear this, but the general consensus out there so far from conservative places is that her statement was...a bit disjointed, to say the least. When Fox and National Review and even Rich lowry, a huge Palin fan, think it went badly...that isn't liberal bias.

BBIAB
cheers, ice

Iceweasel -

Dr. LEVIN till likes her and is about to open the mike for comments. Should be good.

-S-

894 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:24:54pm

re: #867 Cattt

I like his intelligence and conservatism on the economy, but I tend to phase out on his looks when I listen to him. He is HAWT.

You know, I'm a strange woman. I don't notice a guy's hotness as power is so much more alluring to me. Bob Packwood loved girls like me.

895 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:24:58pm

re: #879 Dirk Diggler

Hot Air is reporting that Palin is out of politics for good.

Can you blame her if that's true?

/she's financially won the Powerball without even buying a ticket

896 sngnsgt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:25:33pm

re: #861 Killian Bundy

Exactly.

897 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:25:45pm

re: #885 medaura18586
Palin is the anti-intellectual.


Your inability to comprehend basic English does not make her anti-intellectual.

898 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:25:54pm

re: #875 itellu3times

... but is that a good move, losing Ariza for Artest?


I don't like Artest personally...
But that NY Boy is the meanest..Toughest..strongest defender in the NBA..And he can score on any man on earth...
When you face Artest you have a long night a head of you.. The only reason Houston played so deep in the play offs is because of Ron...
Jeez..Now he is a Laker.. No one on the planet will call them soft next year...
He is a stud on the court

899 swamprat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:26:07pm

Well, we won't have Sarah Palin to kick around any more.

/in my best Richard Nixon voice

900 itellu3times  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:26:17pm

re: #889 Racer X

Artest is 30 and phenomenal defensive player. Pretty good shooter too. As long as he keeps his cool it should be OK for the Lakers. But I will miss Trevor. Not sure why the Lakers made this move - the salary was about the same. Ariza brought a lot to the court.

"As long as", yeah, and Ariza will win another championship, wherever he goes, I think he's going to be that good.

Did Kobe ask to have Ariza traded? Inquiring minds want to know.

Does Kobe want Artest?

Something gotta be up here.

901 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:26:38pm

re: #888 buzzsawmonkey

Well, that makes it official.

Or not.

buzz ... well, if she is out ... who do you think will be their favorite to bash now? ... they will find another target ... who will it be ...

902 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:26:57pm

re: #879 Dirk Diggler

Hot Air is reporting that Palin is out of politics for good.

Hahahahahaha! Then the name Hot Air is infinitely suitable for them.

903 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:27:04pm

re: #885 medaura18586

I'd rather withdraw from politics altogether than vote motivated by a "lesser of the two evils" mentality.

Every election is about choosing the smarter idiot. Always has, and always will be.

904 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:27:11pm

re: #883 Nevergiveup

So was Nxon. Forever is short time in politics.

Keithy and Tweeti will probably make a Top 10 video countdown of all famous political resignations/stepping downs in history tonight.

Number 1, "you don't have Richard Nixon to kick around anymore".

905 yochanan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:27:27pm

re: #899 swamprat

well tina fey will have to find real work.

906 medaura18586  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:27:48pm

re: #660 albusteve

lead the way!

You fundamentally misunderstood my motivations.

907 itellu3times  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:27:54pm

re: #899 swamprat

Well, we won't have Sarah Palin to kick around any more.

/in my best Richard Nixon voice

sock it to me?

908 GGMac  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:27:56pm

re: #640 medaura18586

Sarah Palin is an embarrassment. If she runs in 2012, I'll vote for Obama to keep her out of office. Though I probably won't even need to: She won't have a chance to begin with. I hope she goes back to the woodwork she came from and is never heard from again on the national stage.

You must thrive on down-dings..so doing my part to help you out!

909 pink freud  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:28:10pm

re: #897 Wendya

Palin is the anti-intellectual.


Your inability to comprehend basic English does not make her anti-intellectual.

It may be more just a generally immature, not-yet-developed world outlook that is to account for the pseudo-intellectual rhetoric, instead of an inability to comprehend basic English.

/just saying

910 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:29:13pm

re: #879 Dirk Diggler

Hot Air is reporting that Palin is out of politics for good.

When Ed Morrissey is subject to the same level of scrutiny and personal attacks on his minor children, I'll give his comments some weight.

911 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:29:18pm

re: #901 JacksonTn

buzz ... well, if she is out ... who do you think will be their favorite to bash now? ... they will find another target ... who will it be ...

Well one of these days,their going to have to defend the mess all this spending is going to get us into. Not to mention kissing up to every dictator , terrorist,and commie bastard out there, while kicking our allies to the curb.

912 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:29:24pm

re: #895 Killian Bundy

Can you blame her if that's true?

/she's financially won the Powerball without even buying a ticket

I sure wouldn't and if I knew here I would give her the thumbs up. Somehow I can picture her fishing in some remote spot in Alaska, camping or hunting and getting away from the rabid media. After what she's been through.

Could you imagine the guilt trip we would be subjected to if this had happened to a sanctimonious liberal Democrat? They would be up in arms in congress and it would no doubt result in congressional posturing and maneuvering by the Democrat Party.

913 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:29:51pm

re: #900 itellu3times

"As long as", yeah, and Ariza will win another championship, wherever he goes, I think he's going to be that good.

Did Kobe ask to have Ariza traded? Inquiring minds want to know.

Does Kobe want Artest?

Something gotta be up here.

Artest shuts down the other teams best player every night..
What does Ariza bring? A few points a game? Artest man handles players...

914 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:30:08pm

re: #885 medaura18586

Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, and their ilk, are not the way to secure the future. For Republicans to rally up beyond them would be to dig their hole deeper. I'd rather undermine their ambitions early on than be stuck with the consequences of putting all the eggs of Obama's opposition in their basket.

Agreed. Success in politics demands a certain ruthlessness when it comes to getting your team right. I am surprised that so many conservatives, of all people, seem to have trouble with this regarding Palin.

915 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:30:33pm

re: #879 Dirk Diggler

Hot Air is reporting that Palin is out of politics for good.

If you're referring to Ed Morrisey's piece, that's opinion, not reporting. Much like everything else associated with PJM and it's spinoffs.

For what it's worth, I mostly agree with Ed's analysis, except that it's premature to speculate on just what prompted Palin to resign yet. But as far as I've heard, there's nothing of the kind to report until Palin herself stands up and makes such a statement.

I'm not going off on you - it just rankles me that so many bloggers continue to blur the line between reporting and editorializing. PJM doesn't do any of the former, and is exclusively concerned with the latter. It's important to remember that they're two entirely different things.

916 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:30:49pm

re: #903 Racer X

Every election is about choosing the smarter idiot. Always has, and always will be.

Only in true democracies, can we elect idiots. In dictatorships, they elect saviours.

This is why I dislike Obama so much.

917 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:30:52pm

re: #879 Dirk Diggler

Hot Air is reporting that Palin is out of politics for good.

From Ed Morrisey's post:

She has destroyed her own credibiity in a single day.

He might want to look to his own.

918 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:31:33pm

re: #872 iceweasel

Where did I say that? Interesting 'insight' on your part.

you question "says" it.
and no, my insight is not "interesting" concerning something so obvious.

919 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:31:58pm

re: #914 Jimmah

Agreed. Success in politics demands a certain ruthlessness when it comes to getting your team right. I am surprised that so many conservatives, of all people, seem to have trouble with this regarding Palin.

This was beyond ruthless. If you can't see that, either you are the type of person who giggled when Obama shot Hillary the bird and thought it was sooo clever or the part of your brain that distinguishes between right and wrong is malfunctioning.

920 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:32:16pm

Well one thing is certain, Sarah Palin is a highly polarizing figure that can provoke hugely emotional responses from both sides of the aisle.

Whichever way this thing goes, the country's crow population is going to take a heavy hit.

921 ihateronpaul  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:32:20pm

ohhh if she is the 2012 candidate this will be FUN

922 swamprat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:32:23pm

re: #855 katemaclaren

I thought Texas had all their mineral rights--and the revenue stream paid for the education system. I can't remember, though, where I heard that. I thought, in fact, that it was a condition of their statehood--that the state (not the Fed) kept the rights. I may be talking complete nonsense--I'd better shut up!


I had mis-read what you posted.
I have a friend who gets mineral rights revenue from some sort of inheritance. I don't know if he just inherited the mineral rights, or the land with the rights, but it is a Texas deal.

923 medaura18586  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:32:32pm

re: #807 Jimmah

I think she is probably a decent person, but yes, she isn't cut out for politics, certainly not at the presidential level. I think she may have realised that herself.

I'm very cynical about the personal decency of any politician. Half of their job is selling a fabricated image. I am agnostic as to what kind of person she is in her personal life... but she sounds like someone I could not relate to in anything,.. my negative opinion of her intellectual muster doesn't help, of course. But that's all beside the point. I'd respect her if she realized she's out of her league and retired from the presidential-contenders' circle. But I'm afraid power hunger is getting the best of her and she's even more geared up to run now. Her resignation sounds like a move in that direction.

924 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:32:49pm

re: #918 nyc redneck

my insight is not "interesting"

Yep.

925 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:33:28pm

re: #703 katemaclaren

I accidentally Updinged this awful comment. So, I take it back and triple the downding. Damn it.


You can reverse it.

926 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:33:34pm
927 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:33:50pm

OK Everyone -

Put it like this, DO OVER of the 2008 Election, Held YESTERDAY.

Candidates are:

Barack H. Obama (D)

Sarah H. Palin (R)

Who did YOU vote for? Discussion?

-S-

928 medaura18586  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:33:52pm

re: #908 GGMac

You must thrive on down-dings..so doing my part to help you out!

Thank you. Keep going.

929 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:33:57pm

C'mon guys! I mean seriously, how bad can Obama screw things up between now and November 2012?

/

930 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:34:05pm

re: #923 medaura18586

she sounds like someone I could not relate to in anything,..

This does not come as a surprise to me at all. And by the way, that's not a negative reflection on her.

931 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:34:27pm

Revisiting Doom 3, amazing game especially considering it was released almost five years ago. It put many current games to shame, graphics wise.

/anyway, the Hell level is, well, hell, it's dark and they took away my flashlight and weapons

932 ceid  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:34:29pm

re: #49 Wendya

"Would that be this scumbag, who started the whole photoshop Trig phenomenon?"

Yes, it is the same "lady". I heard her on a local radio show earlier this week trying to defend the photo and asking for more money to fund these FOIA requests and other research. Weirdly, she went on and on about being the only democrat in her family and how her husband and daughters disagree with her but respect her bravery for speaking her mind.

933 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:34:51pm

re: #894 vbspurs

You know, I'm a strange woman. I don't notice a guy's hotness as power is so much more alluring to me. Bob Packwood loved girls like me.

To me, hotness includes some kind of internal charm and personality that he projects. I don't think I'm much on power, unless it is an internal power that a guy exudes, which tranlates into a mastery of life and situations that is very attractive, imho, to women. I mean, a guy can be gorgeous but boring. Another guy can be gorgeous and just dripping with attractiveness.

934 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:35:00pm

Ok, guys. I'm going to go make fillet and some pasta with olive oil and roasted garlic for my husband, who, as most of you know, is the most wonderful guy in the world. He'd have to be - he has stayed married to me!

935 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:35:08pm

re: #923 medaura18586

But I'm afraid power hunger is getting the best of her and she's even more geared up to run now.

When, in the history of this world, has a politician not been "power hungry"? The Presidency is not about altruism. It's the most naked power grabbing in all its devilish goriness.

936 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:35:46pm

re: #910 Wendya

When Ed Morrissey is subject to the same level of scrutiny and personal attacks on his minor children, I'll give his comments some weight.

I noted above that I mostly agree with Ed's analysis of Palin's actions today. But I've lost a lot of respect for Ed, who used to be one of the most reasoned voices on the Conservative Internet when he was running his own blog, Captain's Quarters. Since leaving for Hot Air, his quality has dropped through the floor. Even today's piece was rushed, tossed together at the last moment in response to the latest shiny thing flitting across the media. Gone, it seems, are the days when he put actual research and thought into his columns. It's a shame.

937 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:35:47pm

re: #927 Dr. Shalit

Dr. Shalit, in my best Stewie Griffin voice:

"Whaaa?"

938 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:35:55pm

One last note on Ball..sorry folks
After Artest signed Phil Jackson suddenly decided to coach next year...
I was hoping he would retire...Ain't happening..The ZenMaster sees the talent on the floor...Wilbon just said Artest will cover the other teams best player...
Kobe is really happy tonight...

939 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:36:00pm

re: #926 buzzsawmonkey

I had a nice university education, which maybe qualifies me for the mantle/epithet of "intellectual"--or maybe not. I certainly grew up among many who would so qualify, and in the process acquired the casual bigotry against anyone not in that select group which--more than education, more than intelligence, more than moral compass, or compassion, or analytical ability--is the distinguishing mark of that class.

Having awakened to the existence of that prejudice, and the awareness that it is one of the reasons so much of the endeavor by "intellectuals" in the public sphere turns inevitably to shit, I have worked mightily to rid myself of it.

Accordingly, I do not see Palin's lack of "intellectual" gloss to be a liability. She is no more incurious than those who, possessed of a shallow ideological training and an endless capacity for self-congratulation, regard themselves, as "intellectuals," to be the divinely-anointed leaders.

She never got a chance, under the McCain campaign's thumb, to deal with the garbage flung at her in her own way. If she remains in politics, I hope she does so more as her own woman than she was allowed to be--and only then will I make a judgment on her capacities.


Applauding your last paragraph. Actually pulling away from the keyboard and applauding.

940 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:36:01pm

re: #913 HoosierHoops

Artest man handles players...

And coaches...

941 vbspurs  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:37:11pm

re: #934 ArmyWife

Ok, guys. I'm going to go make fillet and some pasta with olive oil and roasted garlic for my husband, who, as most of you know, is the most wonderful guy in the world. He'd have to be - he has stayed married to me!

Mangia bene, Army Wife! On your cue, I'll think I'll say my goodbyes to my fellow Lizards for now.

There's an Outback steak with my name on it, and I'm a-coming to get it.

942 Racer X  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:37:20pm

re: #927 Dr. Shalit

OK Everyone -

Put it like this, DO OVER of the 2008 Election, Held YESTERDAY.

Candidates are:

Barack H. Obama (D)

Sarah H. Palin (R)

Who did YOU vote for? Discussion?

-S-

Is this a trick question?

ALL of our worst fears about Obama have come true much faster than we thought.

943 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:37:54pm

re: #927 Dr. Shalit

OK Everyone -

Put it like this, DO OVER of the 2008 Election, Held YESTERDAY.

Candidates are:

Barack H. Obama (D)

Sarah H. Palin (R)

Who did YOU vote for? Discussion?

-S-

Me? I'd vote for Palin. I don't vote for Cook County politicians on a matter of principle. I know them too well, and I know their Machine too well.

944 Grand Poobah  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:38:36pm

re: #881 vbspurs

Yes, she is who I am referring to. Nice lady who admitted that while she was a democrat, Palin was quite an appealing person to vote for.

945 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:38:39pm

President Obama says his first trip to Sub-Saharan Africa won't include a stop in his father's Kenyan homeland because of his view that the violence-plagued country still has a long way to go in becoming a free and open democracy.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

So that's why he chose that bastion of democracy "EGYPT"? to give his Muslim speech? Am I missing something?

946 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:38:56pm
947 Equable  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:39:25pm

re: #49 Wendya

Would that be this scumbag, who started the whole photoshop Trig phenomenon?

[Link: www.divasblueoasis.com...]

Yeah really frigging classy... words escape me.

948 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:39:48pm

re: #936 SixDegrees

I noted above that I mostly agree with Ed's analysis of Palin's actions today. But I've lost a lot of respect for Ed, who used to be one of the most reasoned voices on the Conservative Internet when he was running his own blog, Captain's Quarters. Since leaving for Hot Air, his quality has dropped through the floor. Even today's piece was rushed, tossed together at the last moment in response to the latest shiny thing flitting across the media. Gone, it seems, are the days when he put actual research and thought into his columns. It's a shame.

Agreed, I miss when Ed was over at his own place. He's clearly a smart guy and is now pandering to HA. He's much smarter -- and better-- than the quality of his blogging at HA would lead anyone to believe.

949 Last Mohican  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:39:56pm
I know when it's time to pass the ball for victory!

I'm now nearly at the end of Palin's speech. That was one of the most bizarre, meandering, nonsensical speeches I've ever seen a politician make.

950 medaura18586  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:40:03pm

re: #935 vbspurs

When, in the history of this world, has a politician not been "power hungry"? The Presidency is not about altruism. It's the most naked power grabbing in all its devilish goriness.

I'll excuse power hunger if the politician partly motivated by it has redeeming qualities -- intellect, integrity, and competence -- which could merit a claim on said politician's ambitions. With Sarah Palin, I get nothing of the sort.

951 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:40:28pm

re: #948 iceweasel

Agreed, I miss when Ed was over at his own place. He's clearly a smart guy and is now pandering to HA. He's much smarter -- and better-- than the quality of his blogging at HA would lead anyone to believe.

Totally agree.

952 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:40:37pm

re: #927 Dr. Shalit

OK Everyone -

Put it like this, DO OVER of the 2008 Election, Held YESTERDAY.

Candidates are:

Barack H. Obama (D)

Sarah H. Palin (R)

Who did YOU vote for? Discussion?

Here's one part of that discussion:

Let's go with the conventional MSM message that Sarah Palin is inexperienced (Obama's inexperience is not to be mentioned). So then it becomes important who the VP is to be. I have full trust that Palin could pull a better choice out of the hat than Obama pulled with Joe Biden.

-S-

953 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:40:40pm

re: #946 buzzsawmonkey

'Bye, lizards.

Good bye you stud...Hope today finds you well.
look forward to seeing you again...

954 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:40:42pm

re: #937 vbspurs

Dr. Shalit, in my best Stewie Griffin voice:

"Whaaa?"

vbspurs -

Thought my question was stated in understandable English, Not Chinese. Truth be told, prior to today I would sleep better tonight with Gov. Palin at the helm rather than Pres. Obama.
As of now I am digesting and appraising events.

-S-

955 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:40:56pm

re: #924 iceweasel

Yep.

lol, you are so obvious.
weasels are like that.

956 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:41:08pm

re: #946 buzzsawmonkey

'Bye, lizards.

Thanks, Buzz for all your reasoned comments today.
Have a good on. Happy 4th

957 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:41:29pm

re: #927 Dr. Shalit

OK Everyone -

Put it like this, DO OVER of the 2008 Election, Held YESTERDAY.

Candidates are:

Barack H. Obama (D)

Sarah H. Palin (R)

Who did YOU vote for? Discussion?

-S-

Let's see. 10 percent unemployment. Sucking up to Chavez, Ahmadinijad, and Castro. Cap and trade; SCHIP; the endless barrage of liberal propaganda. Increasing the deficit by trillions and no end in sight. The European Apology Tour and The Islam Apology Tour. Putting liberal journalists in high positions including a former LA Times writer inside the Pentagon. Rahm Emanuel's ugly mug. David Axelrod the puke and Gibbs the weasel of all weasels. This can go on forever.

The answer is simple: I'd pull the lever for Sarah Palin (R).

958 medaura18586  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:43:02pm

re: #897 Wendya

Palin is the anti-intellectual.


Your inability to comprehend basic English does not make her anti-intellectual.

Huh?

959 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:43:17pm

re: #955 nyc redneck

lol, you are so obvious.
weasels are like that.

I'm amazed that was all it took to reduce you to namecalling. That was pretty quick.

960 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:43:19pm

re: #942 Racer X

Is this a trick question?

ALL of our worst fears about Obama have come true much faster than we thought.

Racer X -

No TRICK, just a question, see: my reply above.
In my mind, Gov. Palin had the correct position, attitude, and intention. Pres. Obama, not so much.

-S-

961 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:43:20pm

You know, if Sarah Palin were to end all war in the world, and if
Sarah Palin were to end all hunger in the world, and if
Sarah Palin were to end all disease and illness in the world, and if
Sarah Palin were to bring about a strong, vigorous economic recovery
throughout the world...
There'd still be folks who wouldn't like Sarah Palin...
So...
...
...why end them?

962 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:43:22pm

I'm concerned here about this mentality of the right having a political savior. That's the wrong approach, imo. We look back to Reagan and think of him as such a person, and we want to find another one, but Reagan was successful because he articulated his ideas. It doesn't matter if we can find a great spokesperson if they don't have a message. I just worry we're putting the cart before the horse.

963 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:43:26pm

re: #948 iceweasel

Let's face it, HA these days wouldn't make anyone push any intellectual envelopes. Just throw the crowd the memes you know they love to chomp on, and be done with it.

964 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:43:27pm

re: #947 Equable

Yeah really frigging classy... words escape me.

She can't even read a calendar.

Really, that takes "dumb broad" to a whole new level.

965 Grand Poobah  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:43:33pm

re: #935 vbspurs

I wouldn't say that's true all the time.

Greatest president of all time: George Washington. Why? He didn't turn this nation into a Latin American predecessor by becoming dictator after several elections. He set a precedent no other politician could have.

Second Greatest President of all time: Ronald Regan. Why? Despite the left's attempt to revise history to their own liking, Regan was chiefly responsible for the U.S.S.R. collapsing when it did, not 100 years later. All Gorbachev did was see that it would be better for Russia to pull out now, while it still had a shred of dignity left, or else be forced to more radical surrender later.

I'd say both these presidents legitimately cared about their country and respected its constitution above and beyond any care for "power grubbing."

966 Last Mohican  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:43:54pm

re: #927 Dr. Shalit

OK Everyone -

Put it like this, DO OVER of the 2008 Election, Held YESTERDAY.

Candidates are:

Barack H. Obama (D)

Sarah H. Palin (R)

Who did YOU vote for? Discussion?

-S-

Too easy. Not encouraging enough discussion. Here's my version, which should be more competitive. Candidates are:

Barack H. Obama (D)

One snack-size bag of Doritos brand tortilla chips (Frito-Lay)

967 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:44:45pm

re: #936 SixDegrees

I noted above that I mostly agree with Ed's analysis of Palin's actions today. But I've lost a lot of respect for Ed, who used to be one of the most reasoned voices on the Conservative Internet when he was running his own blog, Captain's Quarters.

He lost me when he said Richardson was the democrat to fear in 2008.

968 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:45:45pm

re: #927 Dr. Shalit

OK Everyone -

Put it like this, DO OVER of the 2008 Election, Held YESTERDAY.

Candidates are:

Barack H. Obama (D)

Sarah H. Palin (R)

Who did YOU vote for? Discussion?

-S-

Tough call, actually.

A trainwreck of economic policy and a smoking, asteroid-worthy crater of foreign policy?

Or someone who walks out in the middle of her term with an incoherent explanation?

I can't stand 0 in the White House. But someone who quits when the going gets tough isn't much of a candidate for the world's toughest job, either.

969 Grand Poobah  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:45:50pm

re: #945 Nevergiveup

Her political stance is the least of her worries. She looks absolutely hideous, maybe she should go on a diet watch before attempting to point out the negatives of other people.

970 yochanan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:46:10pm

re: #941 vbspurs

gay fressen

971 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:46:13pm

re: #963 Jimmah

Let's face it, HA these days wouldn't make anyone push any intellectual envelopes. Just throw the crowd the memes you know they love to chomp on, and be done with it.

Got that right. Truthfully I can't remember a time when it was better, but I haven't been keeping an eye on them all that long. I do notice that when there is a more reasonable post, the regular commenters drown the place in froth.
I blame Malkin, to be honest. She has such a purely nasty, sneering tone to every post...but they love that over there.

972 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:46:17pm

re: #965 Grand Poobah

I wouldn't say that's true all the time.

Greatest president of all time: George Washington. Why? He didn't turn this nation into a Latin American predecessor by becoming dictator after several elections. He set a precedent no other politician could have.

Second Greatest President of all time: Ronald Regan. Why? Despite the left's attempt to revise history to their own liking, Regan was chiefly responsible for the U.S.S.R. collapsing when it did, not 100 years later. All Gorbachev did was see that it would be better for Russia to pull out now, while it still had a shred of dignity left, or else be forced to more radical surrender later.

Poobah -

It is reported that King George III was similarly amazed at the "First GW."

-S-

I'd say both these presidents legitimately cared about their country and respected its constitution above and beyond any care for "power grubbing."

973 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:47:49pm

re: #950 medaura18586

I'll excuse power hunger if the politician partly motivated by it has redeeming qualities -- intellect, integrity, and competence -- which could merit a claim on said politician's ambitions. With Sarah Palin, I get nothing of the sort.

Again reminded of another conservative politician - also female, also power hungry - but with all those other qualities that Palin lacked - Margaret Thatcher.

974 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:48:01pm

re: #968 SixDegrees

Six Degrees -

Fair comment. History is YET to be made.

-S-

975 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:48:33pm

It's like we're looking to cast a role for a script we don't even have.

That's bound to fail.

976 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:49:17pm

re: #966 Last Mohican

Too easy. Not encouraging enough discussion. Here's my version, which should be more competitive. Candidates are:

Barack H. Obama (D)

One snack-size bag of Doritos brand tortilla chips (Frito-Lay)

One snack-size bag of Doritos brand tortilla chips (Frito-Lay)

977 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:50:08pm

re: #975 Sharmuta

It's like we're looking to cast a role for a script we don't even have.

That's bound to fail.

Sharmuta -

Where is "Bill Shakespeare" when you need him?

-S-

978 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:50:18pm

re: #975 Sharmuta

It's like we're looking to cast a role for a script we don't even have.

That's bound to fail.

Whoa. That is profound.

979 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:50:20pm

re: #967 Wendya

He lost me when he said Richardson was the democrat to fear in 2008.

I missed that one. But note, I'm not saying I always agreed with him. I just appreciated that his articles were well reasoned and researched. Now, like everyone else at HA, he churns out screeching diatribes that rarely have more than a moment's thought behind them, if that.

It's what he's paid to do, and in Ed's case there is enormous economic incentive to produce what he's asked to produce. But it's still sad to see him abandon his skills. He's capable of so much more.

980 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:50:58pm

re: #976 Gus 802

One snack-size bag of Doritos brand tortilla chips (Frito-Lay)

If the veep is bean dip, I'm in.

981 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:50:59pm

re: #966 Last Mohican

Too easy. Not encouraging enough discussion. Here's my version, which should be more competitive. Candidates are:

Barack H. Obama (D)

One snack-size bag of Doritos brand tortilla chips (Frito-Lay)

I would even take an empty snack-size bag of Doritos brand tortilla chips with only the faint aroma of Doritos remaining.

982 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:51:15pm

re: #975 Sharmuta

It's like we're looking to cast a role for a script we don't even have.

That's bound to fail.

UP-ding ... and that's a fascinating way to put it! Spot on.

983 Last Mohican  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:51:30pm

re: #968 SixDegrees

Tough call, actually.

A trainwreck of economic policy and a smoking, asteroid-worthy crater of foreign policy?

Or someone who walks out in the middle of her term with an incoherent explanation?

I can't stand 0 in the White House. But someone who quits when the going gets tough isn't much of a candidate for the world's toughest job, either.

I think you're right on target regarding O's policies, and on Palin's utterly incoherent speech today. That was really, really strange to watch. The only time she even suggested a reason for her resigning was when she mentioned how hard it all was on her family. And frankly, I think that would be a perfectly acceptable reason to quit. The entire American journalism industry, and half of the American population, decided to dedicate themselves to launching sick personal insults at her and her children.

But that speech... what the hell was she talking about? I hope she's okay. I like her. But she will almost certainly never hold any elected office ever again after giving that speech.

984 GGMac  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:51:46pm

re: #945 Nevergiveup

President Obama says his first trip to Sub-Saharan Africa won't include a stop in his father's Kenyan homeland because of his view that the violence-plagued country still has a long way to go in becoming a free and open democracy.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

So that's why he chose that bastion of democracy "EGYPT"? to give his Muslim speech? Am I missing something?

More likely he's worried he might be put on the spot to make another speech praising his cousin (Odinga, the church-burner) - and how do you say a convincing 'uhhh...not this time, cuz, because folks back home are paying attention now'.

985 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:51:57pm

re: #980 Cattt

If the veep is bean dip, I'm in.

Cattt -

JOE BIDEN?

-S-

986 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:51:59pm

re: #973 Jimmah

Again reminded of another conservative politician - also female, also power hungry - but with all those other qualities that Palin lacked - Margaret Thatcher.

You didn't follow the British media when Thatcher was elected, did you?

987 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:52:10pm

re: #981 Silvergirl

I would even take an empty snack-size bag of Doritos brand tortilla chips with only the faint aroma of Doritos remaining.

Was the first bag free?

988 infopimp  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:52:12pm

My lib family have all their panties in a bunch over this, rife with speculation.

989 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:52:26pm

re: #974 Dr. Shalit

Six Degrees -

Fair comment. History is YET to be made.

-S-

I should qualify my statement by noting - again - that we don't really have a clear explanation for Palin's resignation at this point. I shouldn't accuse her of cutting and running until it's much more clear that's what actually happened, and right now it isn't clear at all.

990 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:53:01pm

re: #975 Sharmuta

It's like we're looking to cast a role for a script we don't even have.

That's bound to fail.

Nicholas Cage, Dustin Hoffman, or Tom Hanks. They can do anything.

(Well, I haven't seen Nicholas Cage play a woman yet, but he probably could.)

991 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:53:07pm

re: #986 Wendya

You didn't follow the British media when Thatcher was elected, did you?

Wendya -

I did, she was Editorially Crucified on a daily basis.

-S-

992 Last Mohican  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:53:25pm

re: #981 Silvergirl

I would even take an empty snack-size bag of Doritos brand tortilla chips with only the faint aroma of Doritos remaining.

I'd have to think long and hard about that one. If it's "Cool Ranch" aroma, I'm definitely in. But the new "Tacos at Midnight" flavor? I'll have to take a wait-and-see approach on that one.

993 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:53:32pm

re: #988 infopimp

It would seem there are wadded panties all over the place, on both sides of the aisle.

994 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:54:27pm

re: #986 Wendya

You didn't follow the British media when Thatcher was elected, did you?

Yes I did, since I was in fact (and still am) a UK resident. I may have been young then, but I still read the papers and watched the news.

995 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:54:46pm

re: #993 Slumbering Behemoth

It would seem there are wadded panties all over the place, on both sides of the aisle.

Sarah's remain unwadded.

996 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:54:48pm

Good afternoon, everyone.

997 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:55:17pm

re: #993 Slumbering Behemoth

It would seem there are wadded panties all over the place, on both sides of the aisle.

Its not gonna be an orgy, its a toga party.

998 yochanan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:55:26pm

good nite my lizards
wake me up in 2011 to talk about the 2012 election not before.
zzz

999 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:55:27pm

re: #996 Noam Sayin'

Good afternoon, everyone.


What's kicking chicken?

1000 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:55:29pm

re: #995 Silvergirl

Sarah's remain unwadded.

And just how would you know this?

1001 Flyers1974  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:55:32pm

re: #986 Wendya

You didn't follow the British media when Thatcher was elected, did you?

I didn't, too young. How would you describe the British media at that time?

1002 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:55:39pm

re: #995 Silvergirl

I am not convinced of that. Time will tell.

1003 pink freud  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:55:41pm

re: #996 Noam Sayin'

Good afternoon, everyone.

Howdy, Noam.

1004 JarHeadLifer  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:55:55pm

re: #588 ArmyWife

The MSM told you Biden won the debate. Think about that. Did you watch it? I did - a lot of us on here did, and what we saw was simply NOT was the MSM reported. Not to mean lies, damn lies and statistics.

I'll have to check my inbox for my MSM correspondence, but I don't remember the MSM telling me anything.

Yes, I watched the almost unwatchable debate. It was like watching two kindergartners discuss where babies come from; it might be entertaining from time to time, but it's probably going to be intellectually obtuse.

If someone would have asked me who won, I would have asked them if I really had to answer. I thought both gave poor performances and neither were worthy of the office for which they were standing.

1005 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:55:58pm

Woohoo! I got the thousandth comment!

1006 swamprat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:56:08pm

re: #988 infopimp

When the lion walks, the hyenas are agitated.

1007 Last Mohican  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:56:18pm

re: #984 GGMac

Who was that conservative journalist who went to Kenya, during the 2008 election, to do some research on Obama? He was arrested by soldiers with automatic weapons, detained in jail, and then forcibly deported.

I haven't heard Obama's statement on why he's not going to Kenya, but I think would have to be nearly as absurd and nonsensical as Sarah Palin's speech today. The reason is obvious: he is extremely afraid of anyone looking into his associations with Kenya.

1008 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:56:48pm

re: #996 Noam Sayin'

Good afternoon, everyone.

I shall from this day hence not click on your avatar (again.)

Until it has changed.

1009 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:56:50pm

re: #991 Dr. Shalit

Reply to Self -

And Back in 1979 I might have been one of the guys Building the Cross.

-S-

1010 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:56:55pm

re: #1000 victor_yugo

And just how would you know this?

Same way anyone else can say there are wadded panties on both sides.

She's the one in control while the heads are exploding around her.

1011 Ceid  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:57:04pm

re: #994 Jimmah

Yes I did, since I was in fact (and still am) a UK resident. I may have been young then, but I still read the papers and watched the news.

How was she regarded prior to being elected? Was her husband mocked?

1012 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:57:31pm

re: #996 Noam Sayin'

Good afternoon, everyone.

Hi Noam good to see you. Was I correct in remembering that you drive a scooter?

1013 Gus  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:57:55pm

re: #1009 Dr. Shalit

Reply to Self -

And Back in 1979 I might have been one of the guys Building the Cross.

-S-

Thatcher derangement is still strong in the UK. Even in the USA within certain sectors.

1014 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:58:01pm

re: #991 Dr. Shalit

Wendya -

I did, she was Editorially Crucified on a daily basis.

-S-

Exactly.

But, you wouldn't know that if you depended on Entertainment Tonight for your political news.

1015 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:58:16pm
1016 Catttt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:59:36pm

The Kradam Idols rock!

David Archuleta has fallen to third place for Tweeter Worldwide best male soloist. Adam Lambert in first by a huge margin. Kris Allen second! Woot!

Oh, am I off-topic? :D

1017 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 3:59:58pm

re: #999 HoosierHoops

What's kicking chicken?

Just finished blending my marinade for the ribs I might smoke tomorrow - or Sunday; cracked a beer; sitting on the porch, watching a quiet neighborhood as my flag lists ever-so-slightly to-and-fro in an almost imperceptible variable breeze; gentle rains are approaching, and my lawn has been mowed, trimmed and fertilized.

It's a wonderful Independence Day Eve here in Minneapolis.

1018 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:00:27pm

re: #1003 pink freud

Heya, pink.

1019 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:01:07pm

re: #1017 Noam Sayin'

Just finished blending my marinade for the ribs I might smoke tomorrow - or Sunday; cracked a beer; sitting on the porch, watching a quiet neighborhood as my flag lists ever-so-slightly to-and-fro in an almost imperceptible variable breeze; gentle rains are approaching, and my lawn has been mowed, trimmed and fertilized.

It's a wonderful Independence Day Eve here in Minneapolis.

Hey stud...Sounds good... I'm on the Deck..It's overcast but warm here..
Have a great 4th!

1020 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:01:24pm

re: #959 iceweasel

I'm amazed that was all it took to reduce you to namecalling. That was pretty quick.

oh now wait, name calling?
so you're that particular abt. what species of weasel you are.
ok.

1021 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:01:53pm

re: #947 Equable

Yeah really frigging classy... words escape me.

how about pig?

1022 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:01:53pm

re: #1019 HoosierHoops

Hey stud...Sounds good... I'm on the Deck..It's overcast but warm here..
Have a great 4th!

You gonna blow anyting up this weekend?

1023 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:02:00pm

re: #994 Jimmah

Yes I did, since I was in fact (and still am) a UK resident. I may have been young then, but I still read the papers and watched the news.

So you remember then sneering at her and calling her "the shopkeeper's daughter" and an anti-intellectual. And here you are applying the same crap to Palin.

1024 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:02:18pm
1025 JHW  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:03:13pm

re: #926 buzzsawmonkey

If you ever write a book of essays, I'll be one of the first buyers. That was one of the best posts I've seen on any forum and cuts to the heart of a somewhat unspoken matter in this country, the issue of class and the inflated self-worth of a self-appointed elite.

1026 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:04:00pm

re: #1025 JHW

If you ever write a book of essays, I'll be one of the first buyers. That was one of the best posts I've seen on any forum and cuts to the heart of a somewhat unspoken matter in this country, the issue of class and the inflated self-worth of a self-appointed elite.

Buzz is an LGF treasure.

1027 vestalmiss  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:04:05pm

I am sick of politics. However, I am more sick of democratic hacks attacking a politician's children. Damn, the whole "joke" thing with David Letterman was way out of line. Oh, and attacking baby Trig was very classy.

This just makes me sick.

1028 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:04:21pm

re: #825 HoosierHoops

Kobe turns an ankle and the Lakers score about 50 a night. May be good enough though.

1029 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:04:21pm

re: #1022 DEZes

You gonna blow anyting up this weekend?

Hell yes...My backyard will be like Apocalypse today on the 4th...
I like Indiana...They will sell you anything short of a suitcase Nuke.
What are you going to do?

1030 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:05:13pm

re: #1012 callahan23

Hi Noam good to see you. Was I correct in remembering that you drive a scooter?

That's the only thing missing from my day, is a nice scooter ride. But I've already downed a beer - which seemed to assert its priority - so I won't get behind the bars tonight.

Maybe the rain will pass in time for a nice, cool morning ride, finished up with some strong coffee and a few cake donuts from A Baker's Wife (42nd & 28th).

1031 swamprat  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:05:34pm

No one thinks that she is out of the picture. Yahoo is running a very unflattering shot from below that gives the most marvelous view of her nostrils, while managing to showcase every wrinkle. She is on the move. And they are afraid.

1032 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:05:37pm

Hmmm, interesting. I'm seeing speculations elsewhere about a book deal, going on a book tour, and starting an early run for 2012.

/not finishing this term as gov still seems odd to me, but I figured I'd pass this along.

1034 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:05:51pm

re: #1029 HoosierHoops

Hell yes...My backyard will be like Apocalypse today on the 4th...
I like Indiana...They will sell you anything short of a suitcase Nuke.
What are you going to do?

I am gonna watch the fireworks on the river, Madison will put on a good show.

1035 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:07:17pm

re: #1032 iceweasel

Hmmm, interesting. I'm seeing speculations elsewhere about a book deal, going on a book tour, and starting an early run for 2012.

/not finishing this term as gov still seems odd to me, but I figured I'd pass this along.

Speculations about a book deal? Hasn't that been known for quite some time?

1036 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:07:17pm

re: #1030 Noam Sayin'

That's the only thing missing from my day, is a nice scooter ride. But I've already downed a beer - which seemed to assert its priority - so I won't get behind the bars tonight.

Maybe the rain will pass in time for a nice, cool morning ride, finished up with some strong coffee and a few cake donuts from A Baker's Wife (42nd & 28th).

That's what I thought. Well my scooter is a nine years old Vespa ET4 great fun to ride.

1037 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:07:22pm

re: #1028 The Shadow Do

Kobe turns an ankle and the Lakers score about 50 a night. May be good enough though.

Kobe is a real baller
My only issue with him...He has over a 1000 games on those knees...
He will breakdown soon...It happens to every Baller...I give him 1 to 2 years...Then it's over

1038 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:08:18pm

re: #1011 Ceid

How was she regarded prior to being elected? Was her husband mocked?

The papers were pretty much split down the middle between the conservative and labour papers. If you were reading the labour papers then sure, you'd get pretty much wall to wall anti-Thatcher stuff. Her husband Denis did come in for ridicule on satirical tv programmes as well.

Thatcher was also constantly lampooned on TV throughout her career:

1039 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:09:35pm
1040 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:09:37pm

re: #1036 callahan23

Nice scoot, dude.

I nearly plunked $1100 on a '63 Vespa about five weeks ago. It's the year of my birth, so I thought that would be cool.

1041 Last Mohican  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:11:10pm

re: #1031 swamprat

No one thinks that she is out of the picture. Yahoo is running a very unflattering shot from below that gives the most marvelous view of her nostrils, while managing to showcase every wrinkle. She is on the move. And they are afraid.

I don't think they're afraid, per se. I think they're just cruel. People just enjoy savagely attacking her and her children. It's sickening, and it makes me furious. I suspect that I probably agree with about 20% of Sarah Palin's political positions at most, but I feel like I'd like to vote for her for any position she wants to run for.

1042 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:11:39pm

re: #1040 Noam Sayin'

Nice scoot, dude.

I nearly plunked $1100 on a '63 Vespa about five weeks ago. It's the year of my birth, so I thought that would be cool.

Clicked the link and now have a face to put with Callahan.

1043 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:11:43pm

re: #1037 HoosierHoops

Kobe is a real baller
My only issue with him...He has over a 1000 games on those knees...
He will breakdown soon...It happens to every Baller...I give him 1 to 2 years...Then it's over

He may hang in a little longer, I don't see him taking anything like the pounding given Jordon and others of that era. NBA has gotten better about protecting their money earners.

1044 arizona9  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:11:59pm

Dipshit Shuster all but declaring a criminal investigation is going to drop. Yo, David, still waiting for that Rove indictment you reported was coming momentarily. Douche.

1045 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:12:16pm

re: #1040 Noam Sayin'

Nice scoot, dude.

I nearly plunked $1100 on a '63 Vespa about five weeks ago. It's the year of my birth, so I thought that would be cool.

'64 would be my year to purchase an old gem. Yet I sadly haven't come across such a ride.

1046 Flyers1974  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:12:41pm

re: #973 Jimmah

Again reminded of another conservative politician - also female, also power hungry - but with all those other qualities that Palin lacked - Margaret Thatcher.

I'd be very curious to hear how conservatives would compare Palin to Reagan as presidential candidates. And conceding Palin gets the benefit of the doubt since we don't know how she would perform after more opportunity for preparation, which Reagan would have in his favor. Well said regarding Thatcher I thought.

1047 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:13:05pm

re: #1041 Last Mohican

I don't think they're afraid, per se. I think they're just cruel. People just enjoy savagely attacking her and her children. It's sickening, and it makes me furious. I suspect that I probably agree with about 20% of Sarah Palin's political positions at most, but I feel like I'd like to vote for her for any position she wants to run for.

The left has lost all sense of restraint. Go to a leftist board and look at the comments... it's like Lord of the Flies.

1048 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:13:09pm

re: #1039 Iron Fist

Let's assume for the sake of arguement that Palin resigned as Governor so that she can run for the Presidency. Isn't it better that she resign, and let someone else take over, than to be an absentee Governor the way Obama was an absentee Senator for most of what part of his first term that he served?

You know, I think I'd agree with that-- but Palin's term was up in 2010, leaving her a lot of time to campaign for 2012. Doesn't quite fit.

1049 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:13:22pm

i think sarah knows she is not going to get the msm and the libs to unclench so she is not even giving them a second thought abt. how to run her life.
i'm going to trust her judgment on what she is doing and really wish her the best.

and now i'm going to get ready for a dinner party. there will be libtards there.
yes, there will be trouble.
lol

1050 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:13:46pm

re: #1040 Noam Sayin'

Instead, I bought this.

Now, to find the guy who bought that scooter I wanted...

1051 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:14:18pm

re: #1042 DEZes

Clicked the link and now have a face to put with Callahan.



/that's HoosierHoops and his cat, just so you don't get confused

1052 Millicent Islam  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:14:37pm

re: #1035 Silvergirl

Speculations about a book deal? Hasn't that been known for quite some time?

Sorry, I should rephrase-- speculations are that the book deal/putative tour are the reasons for the resignation.

1053 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:14:43pm

re: #1051 Killian Bundy

/that's HoosierHoops and his cat, just so you don't get confused

AH.

1054 Flyers1974  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:15:22pm

re: #1023 Wendya

So you remember then sneering at her and calling her "the shopkeeper's daughter" and an anti-intellectual. And here you are applying the same crap to Palin.

Yet Thatcher won.

1055 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:15:26pm

re: #1050 Noam Sayin'

Instead, I bought this.

Now, to find the guy who bought that scooter I wanted...

I have a 686 Smith .357. nice brute of a gun.

1056 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:15:48pm

re: #1043 The Shadow Do

He may hang in a little longer, I don't see him taking anything like the pounding given Jordon and others of that era. NBA has gotten better about protecting their money earners.

Yea...Bt stats show after a 1000 games you are done...The human body can not take it must past that...
There are only a few players that make it past a 1000 games...
He is a great player...Now with Artist he will not have to guard the best player on the other team next year..What are the odds he is Toasting the Lakers tonight?
Dang it!

1057 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:16:23pm

re: #1035 Silvergirl

Speculations about a book deal? Hasn't that been known for quite some time?

a book deal and big tour would really be great for her. she will draw huge crowds and sell millions of books. she can get her message out to so many people (voters).

1058 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:16:29pm

re: #1050 Noam Sayin'

Instead, I bought this.

Now, to find the guy who bought that scooter I wanted...

Cute. ;-)
Out of the question for me. Germany.

1059 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:16:44pm

re: #1023 Wendya

So you remember then sneering at her and calling her "the shopkeeper's daughter" and an anti-intellectual. And here you are applying the same crap to Palin.

I am doing no such thing, nor am I defending everything that was ever thrown at her.

The crucial difference here is that Thatcher herself disproved those sneerings by the way she conducted herself in debates and interviews,in stark contrast to Palin, whose floundering interviews confirmed that she just wasn't the right stuff. Thatcher was also a scientist, so any talk of being a shopkeeper's daughter was just idiotic snobbery anyway.

1060 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:17:16pm

re: #1053 DEZes

AH.

/what it's doing on callahan23's website, I have no idea, I just remember the picture

1061 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:17:22pm

re: #1051 Killian Bundy

/that's HoosierHoops and his cat, just so you don't get confused

;-)

1062 GGMac  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:17:33pm

re: #1007 Last Mohican

Who was that conservative journalist who went to Kenya, during the 2008 election, to do some research on Obama? He was arrested by soldiers with automatic weapons, detained in jail, and then forcibly deported.

I haven't heard Obama's statement on why he's not going to Kenya, but I think would have to be nearly as absurd and nonsensical as Sarah Palin's speech today. The reason is obvious: he is extremely afraid of anyone looking into his associations with Kenya.

Had to look it up - his name was Jerome Corsi.

And, yes - every time Obama has been to Kenya, photos taken during his visit later surface and cause him to be embarrassed, though I can't fathom (sarc tag here /) why, since in those photos he's always grinning like he's just tickled pink to be there and dressed for whatever the occasion.

The dreams from his father do seem to have some nightmarish aspects of some kind.

1063 Grand Poobah  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:18:28pm

re: #972 Dr. Shalit

Yes, it is quite common for Republics to dissolve into constitutional dictatorships over time. I'm afraid the United States is headed that way as well, but we've done a pretty good job of staving it off, I think.

1064 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:18:46pm

re: #1060 Killian Bundy

/what it's doing on callahan23's website, I have no idea, I just remember the picture

Hoops is a cat person, does his dog know?

1065 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:18:57pm

re: #1056 HoosierHoops

Yea...Bt stats show after a 1000 games you are done...The human body can not take it must past that...
There are only a few players that make it past a 1000 games...
He is a great player...Now with Artist he will not have to guard the best player on the other team next year..What are the odds he is Toasting the Lakers tonight?
Dang it!


Right there with you on the "dang it". Anybody but the Lakers!

1066 Wendya  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:19:25pm

re: #1054 Flyers1974

Yet Thatcher won.

She was "elected" by her own party.

1067 Equable  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:19:32pm

re: #964 victor_yugo

She can't even read a calendar.

Really, that takes "dumb broad" to a whole new level.

re: #1021 IslandLibertarian

how about pig?

QFT.

1068 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:19:51pm

re: #1055 DEZes

I have a 686 Smith .357. nice brute of a gun.

I know, right? It's the beefcake of handguns. I owned a blued one about 25 years ago, but sold it to a friend going into law enforcement. Was settled on buying a Ruger GP100 and ended up finding the 686 at $10 less. It's used but once I cleaned it you couldn't tell.

1069 kynna  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:20:13pm

Oh well. Maybe her daughters will get a break now from the sexual innuendo of the 'enlightened' populace. Nah. Letterman still hasn't moved past Dan Quayle spelling potato the way they used to on the Campbell's soup cans.

I guess "moderates" can breathe a sigh of relief. I just hope everything is okay with her and her family.

1070 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:21:01pm

re: #1058 callahan23

Cute. ;-)
Out of the question for me. Germany.

That's a shame, man. They won't even let you have them for home defense?

1071 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:21:31pm

re: #1064 DEZes

Hoops is a cat person, does his dog know?

Th only reason I'm a dog person is a buddy dropped by Winston the rescue dog 6 months ago...
It doesn't matter where I go..Winston is right behind me...Watching my back...
Good doggie!

1072 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:22:52pm

re: #1068 Noam Sayin'

I know, right? It's the beefcake of handguns. I owned a blued one about 25 years ago, but sold it to a friend going into law enforcement. Was settled on buying a Ruger GP100 and ended up finding the 686 at $10 less. It's used but once I cleaned it you couldn't tell.

An 86 is blued, the 6 at the of start 686 denotes stainless.
The Ruger GP100 is a nice peice as well.

1073 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:22:53pm

re: #1067 Equable

QFT.

please to translate QFT for this ignorant haole...

1074 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:23:03pm

re: #1071 HoosierHoops

Th only reason I'm a dog person is a buddy dropped by Winston the rescue dog 6 months ago...
It doesn't matter where I go..Winston is right behind me...Watching my back...
Good doggie!

is he a pool dog?

1075 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:23:08pm

re: #1070 Noam Sayin'

That's a shame, man. They won't even let you have them for home defense?

Nope. No friggin chance.

1076 Equable  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:23:34pm

re: #555 VegasRick

Never in history. I would have strangled somebody by now if it were me.

And it just lends credence to her character. In spite of all of the malicious vitriol the "mainstream" media oozed and spat at her she handled herself with grace, panache and style.

1077 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:23:46pm

re: #1073 IslandLibertarian

please to translate QFT for this ignorant haole...

Quoted for truth.

1078 Gitarzan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:23:51pm

re: #1073 IslandLibertarian

please to translate QFT for this ignorant haole...

QFT = Quoted For Truth

1079 tats66  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:24:21pm

hers a KARAAZY thought...

Maybe whats behind Palin's decision is...drum roll...

EXACTLY WHAT SHE SAID IT WAS...ta da!

1080 JarHeadLifer  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:24:31pm

re: #1048 iceweasel

You know, I think I'd agree with that-- but Palin's term was up in 2010, leaving her a lot of time to campaign for 2012. Doesn't quite fit.

Her decision would make all the sense in the world if the Presidential election was next year. In fact, it would be an admirable decision. But, as you point out, if she would have finished her term, she still would have had almost two full years to campaign. That is more than enough time.

Granted, our Presidential election cycles have become elongated, but one full-year of meet-and-greets, paid speeches and talk show appearences is more than enough time to raise money and develop policy positions before the first primary is held, even before the first straw poll.

1081 Gitarzan  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:24:31pm

re: #1078 talon_262

QFT = Quoted For Truth

or Quite F**king True...

1082 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:24:48pm

re: #1074 albusteve

is he a pool dog?

I bought him a blow up boat so he can float around the pool with me while I drink Beer...He is too young to drink...:)

1083 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:24:52pm

re: #1014 Wendya

Exactly.

But, you wouldn't know that if you depended on Entertainment Tonight for your political news.

Wendya -

Stuff like "E.T." didn't exist in 1979. Stuff like "People" Magazine was just getting started. "People" Magazine - the Matur(er) version of "Tiger Beat."

-S-

1084 jaunte  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:25:05pm

Editorial by Alan Johnson, M.P., in the Guardian:
We need identity cards, and soon
From the comments:

• I thought you'd given up on this one mate. Leave us alone will ye?
• I'll do you a deal: if between now and the next election the government loses no one's personal data, I pledge to be first in the queue for a card.
Good luck.
• Shove it.
• your government has an appalling record on personal identity security, why on earth should we believe anything you say?
• This comment has been removed by a moderator. Replies may also be deleted.
• When the criminals crack whatever security you put on the ID cards, they will have all the details they could ever want in one convenient place.
Don't flatter yourself that your IT geeks are cleverer than the criminals IT geeks.
• Christ.

continued, for 7 pages.

1085 Equable  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:25:39pm

re: #1073 IslandLibertarian

please to translate QFT for this ignorant haole...

"Quoted For Truth". =)

1086 albusteve  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:26:03pm

re: #1082 HoosierHoops

I bought him a blow up boat so he can float around the pool with me while I drink Beer...He is too young to drink...:)

somehow I pictured him a Lab type...water borne...a blow up boat is cool

1087 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:26:07pm
1088 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:26:53pm

re: #1072 DEZes

An 86 is blued, the 6 at the of start 686 denotes stainless.
The Ruger GP100 is a nice peice as well.

Hah! I just knew some gun nut would correct me on that. ;)

I still might buy a GP100, but now I can bide my time on it. But Taurus just released a Beretta clone with gold mechanisms (better term?) and walnut handle on a polished stainless frame and receiver. I'll see if I can track down a link.

1089 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:28:24pm

re: #1088 Noam Sayin'

Hah! I just knew some gun nut would correct me on that. ;)

I still might buy a GP100, but now I can bide my time on it. But Taurus just released a Beretta clone with gold mechanisms (better term?) and walnut handle on a polished stainless frame and receiver. I'll see if I can track down a link.

Berreta mmm.

1090 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:28:28pm

Clint Eastwood & General Saint - Stop That Train

1091 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:28:34pm

re: #1088 Noam Sayin'

Pardon me. Rosewood handles.

'tis

1092 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:28:50pm

re: #1072 DEZes

re: #1088 Noam Sayin'

A gun talk and JCM is not on board? What is going on?
;-)

1093 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:29:24pm

re: #1091 Noam Sayin'

Pardon me. Rosewood handles.

'tis

Nice.

1094 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:29:33pm

re: #1088 Noam Sayin'

... and an alloy frame.

1095 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:29:34pm

Hey Hoosier! Since we are way, way beyond being OT at 1,000+ comments. Did you ever follow the old ABA? The most fun B-Ball has ever been.

I saw many a game with David Skywalker, Dr J, the Iceman, Issle's Missile, and on and on and on...
And the cheerleaders in hotpants were pretty cool too!

1096 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:29:48pm

re: #1092 callahan23

re: #1088 Noam Sayin'

A gun talk and JCM is not on board? What is going on?
;-)

We can wait for JCM. ;)

1097 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:30:22pm

re: #1090 Jimmah

Clint Eastwood & General Saint - Stop That Train


[Video]

Upding to anyone who listens to Clint Eastwood and General Saint!

1098 Geepers  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:30:44pm

Iron Fist,

How the hell are ya buddy?

1099 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:30:54pm
1100 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:31:42pm

re: #1099 Iron Fist

The gold is a bit much, don't you think? Pimp my piece?

Its too gaudy for me, but to each his own.

1101 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:32:18pm

re: #1095 The Shadow Do

Hey Hoosier! Since we are way, way beyond being OT at 1,000+ comments. Did you ever follow the old ABA? The most fun B-Ball has ever been.

I saw many a game with David Skywalker, Dr J, the Iceman, Issle's Missile, and on and on and on...
And the cheerleaders in hotpants were pretty cool too!

Shadow Do -

I preferred FOOTBALL before the merger as well. Two Independent Leagues, One (Inter)National Championship. That's the ticket.

-S-

1102 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:32:19pm

re: #1099 Iron Fist

The gold is a bit much, don't you think? Pimp my piece?

Evening wear. It's not for every day. ;P

1103 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:32:24pm
1104 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:33:00pm

re: #1103 Iron Fist

Hey, brother! I'm still among the living :-) I finally asked the Girlfriend to marry me. We've not set a date, yet. It'll probably be a while. We're in no hurry.

How's life treating you?

WOW, congrats.

1105 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:33:07pm

re: #1095 The Shadow Do

Hey Hoosier! Since we are way, way beyond being OT at 1,000+ comments. Did you ever follow the old ABA? The most fun B-Ball has ever been.

I saw many a game with David Skywalker, Dr J, the Iceman, Issle's Missile, and on and on and on...
And the cheerleaders in hotpants were pretty cool too!

I grew up watching Golden State...I do remember trying shots at 30 feet wishing I was downtown Freddie Brown as a kid...
Thus the reason I played point...Dish to somebody that can shoot...

1106 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:33:08pm

re: #1100 DEZes

Its too gaudy for me, but to each his own.

See one up close. Then tell me you don't want one.

1107 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:33:33pm

re: #1101 Dr. Shalit

Shadow Do -

I preferred FOOTBALL before the merger as well. Two Independent Leagues, One (Inter)National Championship. That's the ticket.

-S-

Amen

1108 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:33:40pm

re: #1106 Noam Sayin'

See one up close. Then tell me you don't want one.

Seldom I see a gun I dont want. ;)

1109 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:33:48pm
1110 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:33:52pm

re: #1103 Iron Fist

Hey, brother! I'm still among the living :-) I finally asked the Girlfriend to marry me. We've not set a date, yet. It'll probably be a while. We're in no hurry.

How's life treating you?

Iron Fist -

Suppose SHE said YES. Enjoy.

-S-

1111 DEZes  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:34:34pm

BBIAB

1112 callahan23  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:34:37pm

re: #1103 Iron Fist

Hey, brother! I'm still among the living :-) I finally asked the Girlfriend to marry me. We've not set a date, yet. It'll probably be a while. We're in no hurry.

How's life treating you?

How good is that?
Congratulations.

1113 jvic  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:35:01pm

re: #1044 arizona9

Dipshit Shuster all but declaring a criminal investigation is going to drop. Yo, David, still waiting for that Rove indictment you reported was coming momentarily. Douche.

I don't know. Ted Stevens' conviction was thrown out because of gross prosecutorial misconduct, but he is no longer a US Senator. Why not try the same thing on Palin?

1114 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:35:22pm

Congrads Iron fist!

1115 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:35:52pm

re: #1097 Creeping Eruption

Upding to anyone who listens to Clint Eastwood and General Saint!

Great aren't they? It's been way too long since I listened to them. I feel like going down to london now and buying some vinyl(among other, shall we say...items of merchandise;-)) . Or maybe just see what the internet has to offer...lol

1116 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:36:15pm
1117 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:36:24pm

re: #1103 Iron Fist

Hey, brother! I'm still among the living :-) I finally asked the Girlfriend to marry me. We've not set a date, yet. It'll probably be a while. We're in no hurry.

How's life treating you?

Congratulations, Cousin Fist!

1118 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:37:24pm

Congrats, Fist.

1119 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:38:01pm

re: #1105 HoosierHoops

I grew up watching Golden State...I do remember trying shots at 30 feet wishing I was downtown Freddie Brown as a kid...
Thus the reason I played point...Dish to somebody that can shoot...

Well, at least you had something to contribute besides fouls! I was a tall kid when I moved to small town Indiana from Britain. Couch wanted me anyway. Taught me all the nuance in trashing the other teams star player. I was hated.

1120 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:38:20pm

re: #1039 Iron Fist

Let's assume for the sake of arguement that Palin resigned as Governor so that she can run for the Presidency. Isn't it better that she resign, and let someone else take over, than to be an absentee Governor the way Obama was an absentee Senator for most of what part of his first term that he served?

If she had made a clear, forceful statement that such was her intent, then...maybe.

But she didn't. Right now, there's no real coherent explanation of why she quit. But I have to agree with Ed Morrisey (see above) that she's doomed any future political career by appearing to have quit when the going got tough.

I can't blame her for doing that - politics requires the thickest of skins, and not everyone has one. But if that's her reason for resigning, she doesn't belong in an elected office.

I'm hoping for a more cogent explanation over the next few days.

1121 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:38:31pm

re: #1108 DEZes

Seldom I see a gun I dont want. ;)

DEZes -

I feel the same about 6 cm and 35 mm film cameras, late 1960's - early 1980's Audio & Video Electronics and old Computers.

-S-

1122 Geepers  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:38:43pm

Iron Fist (#1103),

I finally asked the Girlfriend to marry me.

How's life treating you?

Not as good as you apparently. Congratulations!

1123 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:40:05pm
1124 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:40:52pm

re: #1115 Jimmah

Great aren't they? It's been way too long since I listened to them. I feel like going down to london now and buying some vinyl(among other, shall we say...items of merchandise;-)) . Or maybe just see what the internet has to offer...lol

itunes has the album it came from. I downloaded it a few weeks back

1125 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:41:32pm

re: #1121 Dr. Shalit

Extend and Revise Self -

-S- "The U-Matic Guy and Master of Beta(Max)"

1126 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:41:40pm

Palins departure discussed on Harry's Place. Comments are lively as usual.

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

1127 Geepers  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:44:26pm

Iron Fist (#1123),

Hope life is treating you tolerably well, at least.

Oh yeah, better then ever actually.

1128 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:44:30pm

Just Thinking About it -

In July, 1985 - WHO was discussing Rep. Geraldine Ferraro?

-S-

1129 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:45:10pm

re: #1119 The Shadow Do

Well, at least you had something to contribute besides fouls! I was a tall kid when I moved to small town Indiana from Britain. Couch wanted me anyway. Taught me all the nuance in trashing the other teams star player. I was hated.

Dude...You played ball in Indiana? You stud!
One time...Details forthcoming...I was trashed talked by a player all night...
Fucker pissed me off...I slide my foot halfway under his on a rebound...It broke his ankle...He not only didn't trash talk me the rest of the game...He was done the rest of the year...I feel bad...Well not too bad...
I think God forgave me...But I'm not real sure about it...

1130 Aye Pod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:45:52pm

re: #1124 Creeping Eruption

Thanks - I'll check that out.

1131 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:47:34pm

Lounge time! yes!
--->

1132 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:48:07pm

re: #1094 Noam Sayin'

... and an alloy frame.

It's a revolver.

/they don't issue those as military sidearms, big boys shoot pistols

1133 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:48:28pm

re: #1079 tats66

hers a KARAAZY thought...

Maybe whats behind Palin's decision is...drum roll...

EXACTLY WHAT SHE SAID IT WAS...ta da!

Upding.

Yet otherwise sane and rational people who I admire and respect are saying her announcement was hard to understand. Therefore they are confused on the "exactly what she said" part.

As to the general cry of why, why, why? Whenever a politician speaks we're trained to think, "But what are they really saying?" In this case I believe what we heard is what she meant.

1134 lazlo  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:50:41pm

crosses fingers
Come on, sex tape!

1135 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:52:24pm

re: #1134 lazlo

Come on, sex tape!

/snap it!

1136 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:52:28pm

re: #1129 HoosierHoops

Dude...You played ball in Indiana? You stud!
One time...Details forthcoming...I was trashed talked by a player all night...
Fucker pissed me off...I slide my foot halfway under his on a rebound...It broke his ankle...He not only didn't trash talk me the rest of the game...He was done the rest of the year...I feel bad...Well not too bad...
I think God forgave me...But I'm not real sure about it...

Not a stud! Just a kid in a small, and I mean small, HS! Did you know you can rebound and hit someone in the nuts at the same time? Yeah that was me. Coach said I done good. I was coachable as they say in todays game. Heh.

1137 Empire1  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:55:09pm

re: #359 eon

Upding for the Lensman quote -- and for remembering First Lensman so well!

I'm sure you also remember Thomasina. :)

1138 snowcrash  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:58:23pm

FWIW Palin will only be 52 in 2016. She has plenty of time.

1139 sngnsgt  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 4:59:20pm

re: #1027 vestalmiss

I am sick of politics. However, I am more sick of democratic hacks attacking a politician's children. Damn, the whole "joke" thing with David Letterman was way out of line. Oh, and attacking baby Trig was very classy.

This just makes me sick.

Just wait for Letterman's "pull out early" joke tonight.

1140 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 5:00:00pm

re: #1120 SixDegrees

If she had made a clear, forceful statement that such was her intent, then...maybe.

But she didn't. Right now, there's no real coherent explanation of why she quit. But I have to agree with Ed Morrisey (see above) that she's doomed any future political career by appearing to have quit when the going got tough.

I can't blame her for doing that - politics requires the thickest of skins, and not everyone has one. But if that's her reason for resigning, she doesn't belong in an elected office.

I'm hoping for a more cogent explanation over the next few days.

She listed her priorities as faith, family and, I believe, politics or party, or something to that effect. Along with the numerous legal battles, I believe the Letterman epispode was the final straw. I believe she has a thick skin but no longer wanted to subject her children to the constant abuse.

1141 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 5:07:13pm

re: #1032 iceweasel

Hmmm, interesting. I'm seeing speculations elsewhere about a book deal, going on a book tour, and starting an early run for 2012.

/not finishing this term as gov still seems odd to me, but I figured I'd pass this along.

Seems to me that leaving before the end of her term gives her successor a chance to assert his authority and make a name for himself before the next election, which will hopefully prevent his losing the next election to the Democrats.

It's simply strategy.

1142 Banner  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 5:07:43pm

Lets see, she's had to spend a HALF MILLION DOLLARS of her own money since the election to ward off made up ethics charges, that any fool can file, and against which you have to shell out your OWN money to defend yourself while the STATE pays the money for the prosecution.

Yeah, that little law is a democratic party operatives friend! Basically she has been hounded out of office (and I don't blame her, I would have quit too) by a small group of people who are engaging in systematic harrassment. I think there have been 33 cases filed so far. 33! All of which are complete fakes!

People wonder why good folks don't run for office anymore, maybe because they get treated like crap? And have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend themselves from left wing operatives who have daddy Soros backing them up? how would you like it if people could file suit against you every week and it didn't cost them a dime?

1143 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 5:13:53pm

re: #1142 Banner

Lets see, she's had to spend a HALF MILLION DOLLARS of her own money since the election to ward off made up ethics charges, that any fool can file, and against which you have to shell out your OWN money to defend yourself while the STATE pays the money for the prosecution.

Yeah, that little law is a democratic party operatives friend! Basically she has been hounded out of office (and I don't blame her, I would have quit too) by a small group of people who are engaging in systematic harrassment. I think there have been 33 cases filed so far. 33! All of which are complete fakes!

People wonder why good folks don't run for office anymore, maybe because they get treated like crap? And have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend themselves from left wing operatives who have daddy Soros backing them up? how would you like it if people could file suit against you every week and it didn't cost them a dime?

Banner -

The Ironic Part is that the Palin Administration backed these reforms. Sarah was hoisted by her own pantyhose on this one. Remember always the law of unintended consequences.

-S-

1144 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 5:27:18pm

I hope Palin resigns from the GOP next, and joins the Modern Whigs.
Modern Whig Party.

1145 AFVetWife  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 5:29:44pm

re: #71 Racer X
Personally, I'd rather see her as head of the RNC instead of Steele. I think Steele is a good guy, but he can't begin to raise the money and interest that Sarah could. That would give her the chance to campaign for various Repub candidates throughout the country, which helps them, and also raises her possibilities for the future.

1146 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 5:32:05pm

re: #926 buzzsawmonkey

Every now and then, someone says something worth adding to favorites.

Funny thing - you're usually the one saying it. Great post, buzz.

1147 Flyers1974  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 5:36:08pm

The consensus among conservative commentators, many who were staunch fans of Palin over at Politico's "Arena" seems to be that she is finished. Comments range from "absolutely finished" to the decision "reeks" to "another bizarre event" to "needs adult supervision soon" to she needs to "stop reacting or creating tabloid issues." These quotes do not include those made by the liberal commentators. For what its worth.

1148 Flyers1974  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 5:43:11pm

re: #1147 Flyers1974

Dead thread, posted here by mistake.

1149 ~Fianna  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 6:08:02pm

re: #968 SixDegrees

Tough call, actually.

A trainwreck of economic policy and a smoking, asteroid-worthy crater of foreign policy?

Or someone who walks out in the middle of her term with an incoherent explanation?

I can't stand 0 in the White House. But someone who quits when the going gets tough isn't much of a candidate for the world's toughest job, either.

I think you hit the takeaway on this.

Her bit in the statement today about how she doesn't want to be a lame duck (which makes no sense because she's eligible for a 2nd term in 2010 and seems likely to win, at least with everything people know today).

This is going to lead to the question of what happens in the middle of her first or second term as President should she run and win.

1150 hazzyday  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 6:08:57pm

From the vid I gathers the slurs against her kids and frivolous lawsuits nationally organized against her are the reasons. No problem with that. I think it's bad form to quit a job like that thought. The voters assigned a responsibility to the governor. The resignation seems premature to me. Oftentimes we move past the life problem before the lesson becomes clear.

She probably got death threats from Letterman proxies constantly. Getting stalked by a dirty old man.

Intellectuals are the first people killed in a revolution. An intellectual who can't talk responsibly to a an average person on the street is wasting oxygen. Intellect is important, but some intellectuals will try and convince everyone that it is the only thing that is important. Shows how lacking a lot of them are.

1151 Mike McDaniel  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 6:14:14pm

re: #1137 Empire1

Upding for the Lensman quote -- and for remembering First Lensman so well!

I'm sure you also remember Thomasina. :)

Purr! Meow!

(I was raised on the Lensman Series. Which way to Arisia?) :-)

1152 kansas  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 6:24:15pm

re: #1138 snowcrash

FWIW Palin will only be 52 in 2016. She has plenty of time.

What be left in 2016? What a clusterfuck Obama is.

1153 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 6:32:48pm

Killian Bundy,

Hot Air is reporting that Palin is out of politics for good.

Can you blame her if that's true?

Absolutely not. Just to clarify, it was Andrea Mitchell that reported that Palin was out of politics for good. Hot Air linked to it.

1154 Canoe Train  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 6:35:49pm

re: #15 EmmmieG

Unfortunately, I have but one up ding to give you.

1155 Canoe Train  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 6:37:49pm

re: #1142 Banner

Well said.

1156 Roger  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 6:55:22pm

I believe she will join a new political party that doesn't exist yet.

1157 freetoken  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 6:57:00pm

re: #1156 Roger

I believe she will join a new political party that doesn't exist yet.

Why not just go back to the Alaskan Independence Party?

1158 Roger  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 7:01:57pm

re: #1157 freetoken

Because it isn't effective for the whole United States which she cares about. First before an independent Alaska there needs to be a solid attempt at rebuilding the union

1159 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 7:07:54pm

re: #1156 Roger

I hope you are right, sir.

1160 Roger  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 7:16:42pm

re: #1159 Ojoe

I hope too.

I am convinced she knows the Republican party will never rescue this country [as they wait for power-as-usual as the progressives continue destroying it and both partake of the spoils] and she knows a high percentage of the Republicans are a part of the downfall of this wonderful 2 and a half century experiment.

1161 mlog  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 7:23:25pm

From what I heard, it sounded like she had some goals for Alaska when she became governor that she wanted to accomplish in her 4-year term. She said she accomplished them in 2 years. Her choices then are to milk her time as governor for another 2 years while getting national exposure - as the conventional wisdom advises. Or, OMG a new paradigm, resign - not milk the taxpayers of Alaska while she gets national exposure.

1162 Roger  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 7:26:10pm

re: #1161 mlog

I like your thinking and hers.

1163 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 7:28:53pm

#'s 1157 and 1158

In a more "Pacific" as in peaceful, world. An Independent Alaska would be a no-brainer. Rich in Natural Resources AND suddenly unfettered from US Federal Restrictions - fuggeddabouddit - they might become a Chinese Protectorate - THOUGH - a very wealthy one.

-S-

1164 Roger  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 7:30:40pm

Btw, the hotair guys keep showing why they aren't capable of comprehend Governor Palin.

1165 mlog  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 7:33:25pm

RE: 1164 Roger
Which unfortunatly will hurt her - as Alexander Hamilton said, (paraphrase) the biggest problem with a democracy is that everyone gets to vote!

If the hotair guys keep misrepresenting and misreporting the perception will work against her - and in the USA today, perception trumps reality.

1166 tjseagrove  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 7:33:55pm

And no teleprompter...

1167 DaveinMD  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 7:33:58pm

As much as I respect and admire Sarah Palin, I fear she's irreparably damaged by the attacks that are still being leveled at her and her family. I would vote for her (again) but I don't think she will ever be able to recover enough to be elected. Too many people remember the SNL skit and think it was Palin who was the idiot, not Tina Fey. She would have a LOT of ground to make up, and this resignation will not help, although it's not the disaster some would have us believe.

1168 avspatti  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 8:17:29pm

In my mind there is a connection between our revered new senator from the upper Midwest and Sarah. The person (party) with the most dishonest, vicious operatives and lawyers wins. The Palins have spent hundreds of thousands of $$$ and Alaska has spent more defending her from bogus ethics allegations. It has come close to bankrupting them and no, she cannot govern with all that going on. Notice that she has been cleared of all, but at what price?

1169 avspatti  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 8:37:12pm

re: #188 midwestgak

If I were an Alaskan, I think I would feel a great loss right now.

Could she be going into the private energy sector? Promoting it for America?

It's strange, but ever since I was in Alaska several years ago (house-sitting and dog-sitting in Wasilla!), I have been on the side of Alaska, an unbelievably beautiful state. This was before I had ever heard of Sarah Palin. But, as you pointed out, I do feel a great loss for Alaska.

1170 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 8:41:42pm

re: #521 albusteve

Okay, I won't.

1171 NukeAtomrod  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 8:41:59pm

If I had to guess, I'd say the trumped up ethics complaints from her political rivals are causing her to bleed money that could otherwise be used for a 2012 Presidential run and preventing her from being the effective leader she was before the 2008 VP run. I think we'll see her at CPAC and other venues this year, since she'll be free of the litigious bullshit.

1172 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 8:43:41pm

re: #1147 Flyers1974

The consensus among conservative commentators, many who were staunch fans of Palin over at Politico's "Arena" seems to be that she is finished. Comments range from "absolutely finished" to the decision "reeks" to "another bizarre event" to "needs adult supervision soon" to she needs to "stop reacting or creating tabloid issues." These quotes do not include those made by the liberal commentators. For what its worth.

Yeah, well. I remember when Nixon was finished, too.--before he was elected twice for Prez. Not that I'm a fan--just sayin'.

1173 katemaclaren  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 8:44:50pm

re: #1167 DaveinMD

As much as I respect and admire Sarah Palin, I fear she's irreparably damaged by the attacks that are still being leveled at her and her family. I would vote for her (again) but I don't think she will ever be able to recover enough to be elected. Too many people remember the SNL skit and think it was Palin who was the idiot, not Tina Fey. She would have a LOT of ground to make up, and this resignation will not help, although it's not the disaster some would have us believe.

I think she should take a job as a late night host--making fun of Tina Fey.

1174 avspatti  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 8:50:48pm

re: #264 Gus 802

The Grammar Police thank you. We are ALWAYS around. LOL

1175 Ron___  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 9:19:03pm

Here's what some blogs are pointing to as a potential scandal behind it all:

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

Certainly suppose it's possible.

1176 leftover54  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 9:31:44pm

As for the 'Friday/Holiday Dump" - yes it fits the profile BUT she can not be so stupid as to think this tactic will keep a lid on a story this sensational. I just heard on one of the MSM channels that she didn't want to be a typical lame duck - milking the taxpayers while cruising through the remaining months blah, blah. To that I say 'B.S.' and I'm surprised she/they think this explanation will fly. Maybe she got the word she is no longer on the short list for 2012 - possibly caused by shooting her self in the foot while involved in the 'in fighting' ? Crossed some line and got too many people concerned that she can't take the heat and so she has a moment of 'clarity', says to herself 'Who needs this sh*t ,I have a family, a nice retirement and miss my life prior to the '08 election cycle, take me home country roads' ! (?) OR - something that will make the wandering Gov's story sound reasonable. From whats been reported, this sounds like a rash and hasty decision - one usually does such things when emotionally fired up. For her sake, if she still has White House aspirations, I hope this isn't the case. I know - typical male calling the female 'emotional' (sounds too close to 'hysterical').
If true though she can forget about attaining/retaining 'gravitas' (it being a pre requisite, according to the MSM, for one to be taken seriously as a WH contender) or ever being trusted by most Americans to have the 'the football'/codes.I wouldn't even make this guess had she not experienced such a meteoric rise politically (although she had appeared to handle it well).
Man, this on the heels of the 'Joe the Plumber' announce...uh oh...nah, can't be...no, there can't possibly be any connection...
H.S. ! What if she and 'Joe the ... No, no..NO !
There's NO F'ing way ! That would be as crazy as sayin'
a Gov. would walk off the job, fly to some So. American country to hook up with some Brazilian 'transexual' that goes by the name 'Lola' and ...
ooops - carreid away there, nothin' THAT freakin' crazy would ever happen.
Anyhow...

Whats next for the RNC to deal with ?
1. Rep. Gov. walks off the job and disappears for a week.
2. Rep. Gov.learns from #1 and at least announces "I'm
leaving" before she walks out the door.
Maybe:
3. Rep. Gov. announces he/she is leaving to meet
Gov's #1 and #2 for reasons that are "deeply
personal and painful - please respect our privacy". ?
Or,
"Sources say Rep. Gov. resigned moments after receiving text message from a guy named 'Joe'.
A conference call is believed to have ensued only moments later which involved a 'Spiritual/Political advisor, 'Joe the Plumber' and the Governor".

1177 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 9:32:35pm

re: #1161 mlog

From what I heard, it sounded like she had some goals for Alaska when she became governor that she wanted to accomplish in her 4-year term. She said she accomplished them in 2 years. Her choices then are to milk her time as governor for another 2 years while getting national exposure - as the conventional wisdom advises. Or, OMG a new paradigm, resign - not milk the taxpayers of Alaska while she gets national exposure.

And if you think about it, Obama should have resigned as senator when he started running for President since he went from being "present" in his elected position, to "absent." If Palin's reasons for stepping aside as Alaska's governor include aspirations for President, then she's honest and decent to do it on her own time and money, not her state's.

1178 avspatti  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 9:45:02pm

re: #548 unrealizedviewpoint

This guy Øbama has never had to deal with criticism. And when this media turns on him (and they will), he will have the meltdown of the fuckin' century.

Promises, promises. :)

1179 mrclark  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 10:04:36pm

well...this outta make republican Palin Haters very happy.

1180 tveitskog  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 10:49:31pm

I just love it. I say kept the lefties in the state of confusion. Sarah is going to drive them crazy. This lady is going to roar. To me she is a real breathe of fresh air since Reagan. They are so scared of her. Anyone who can hunt, shoot, dress, and prepare a moose is totally out of the so called elite realm of thinking. This is really exciting too me. What a down too earth gal. I’m getting so tired of barney, nancy, reed, obama types of people. These people couldn’t fight themselves out of a wet paper bag.

1181 bruxellesblog  Fri, Jul 3, 2009 11:34:04pm

re: #196 Adrenalyn

she killed Michael Jackson
and is about to be indicted

someone found Trig's b.c. and Todd is not the father
she is not the mother

someone is coming forward saying she is Sarah's first husband and that they are still legally married

she killed Vince Foster

she is the daughter of Helen Thomas and word is about to leak out

Todd is the bastard son of Jimmy Hoffa, who she killed and buried personally on the north slope (and there is video)?

She pulled the Lufthansa heist?

She is actually D. B. Cooper after a sex change?

The mind boggles...

1182 JohnH  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 2:17:12am

Would someone please have the media apply 1/4 the amount of scrutiny given to the governor of a state with less than 1 million people to BHO? Please.

We don't live in America anymore; we live in a ward of Chicago.

1183 Aye Pod  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 6:00:50am

re: #919 Wendya

This was beyond ruthless. If you can't see that, either you are the type of person who giggled when Obama shot Hillary the bird and thought it was sooo clever or the part of your brain that distinguishes between right and wrong is malfunctioning.

Fuck you! I was not saying anything to justify the nasty stuff that was used against Palin at all - I was saying that the republicans need to be ruthless in recognising that Palin is not cut out for politics, certainly not at the level of vice/presidential candidate.

I guess the part of your brain that deals with reading comprehension is completely buggered.

This stupid comment escaped my attention first time round, hence the delayed response.

1184 bubbasbbq  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 6:09:27am

Frankly, I don't blame her for getting the hell out. She was spending all her time and money trying to defend against these moonbat ethics charges against her, her family getting used and abused in the most revolting ways possible and there was no reason to stay on since she had no intention of running. At least she isn't mailing it in like Mitt Romney did for two friggin years, signing that wonderful mandatory health insurance bill we will all soon be living under.

I hear all these idiots whining and caterwalling about how her political career is finished. You think she gives a flying fuck, especially after what her family has been going through? unlike the zero, she has a thriving fishing business and I am sure she'll be more than happy on her fishing boat.

I defy anyone with a "D" next to their name to withstand the bullshit she has had to.

1185 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 6:45:09am

OR

Maybe it's time to admit that she really IS a flake, and that the idea of her as presidential material is somewhat perverse.

I know that personality cults can be attractive, but I think it's past time to break the Palin spell.

1186 mph  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 7:33:00am

re: #973 Jimmah

Again reminded of another conservative politician - also female, also power hungry - but with all those other qualities that Palin lacked - Margaret Thatcher.

...and if the Republicans were to nominate Sarah Palin and then attempt to stand her next to Margaret Thatcher (or Ronald Reagan), it would show just how far a cry away we are intellectually from the early 1980s. The gulf between a Thatcher and a Palin is so wide, I am surprised more people don't seem to point this out. But again, those were the days when most Americans were at least familiar with the name and ideas of Milton Friedman. And Barry Goldwater was still alive and advocating for freedom from well thought-out intellectual tradition that Palin clearly would never be able to communicate.

I think the reason for her popularity among the party is also explained by the historically low number of people who self-identify as republican party members. The paleoconnish, more religious sub-groups now have more say over the direction of the party than they did in 1980 or 2000.

But even so, at the end of the day, I'm almost positive she never had a chance nationally on her own. I hope she is doing the right thing for herself and stepping away from the national spotlight.

1187 mph  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 7:43:21am

re: #1037 HoosierHoops

Kobe is a real baller
My only issue with him...He has over a 1000 games on those knees...
He will breakdown soon...It happens to every Baller...I give him 1 to 2 years...Then it's over

He's got another 5 years at top form, easy.

1188 Syrah  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 10:10:29am

Politics is not about the pursuit of perfection. Perfection is for religion and art. Politics is about the pursuit of the possible.

Palin is not a perfect Republican candidate.

There are no perfect Republicans. There never has been. There never will be.

If we sit around waiting for the perfect Republican candidate to come along, we will find ourselves waiting till they sound the trump of doom.

If Palin is running, this is a far from perfect start. (I would have advised her differently.)

But at least someone is starting.

1189 MPH  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 10:39:13am

Maybe she did some internal polling throughout Alaska and realized she might not win re-election. Perhaps she wanted to bow out now before the pre-election polls were released to a national audience. A bruising campaign would be devastating to her national political goals.

1190 Syrah  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 10:45:16am

Or Maybe she just has more balls than most of the other Republicans on the national scene.

1191 bruxellesblog  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 10:59:27am

re: #1190 Syrah

Or Maybe she just has more balls than most of the other Republicans on the national scene.

Or, alternatively, she is a complete flake and a nitwit. Nothing says 'presidential' to me than someone who quits halfway through their term.

Gimmie a break. I can't believe how many people on LGF honestly think that being a QUITTER makes her more competitive as a presidential nominee. You folks need to step away from the computer and go read a book or something.

The woman has no place on a national stage. And if any one brings up Thatcher, you'd best remember that Maggie was a Chemist and a Lawyer before she went into politics. I'm tired of listening to Palin sound like a blithering idiot.

Where the hell is the party of Godwater, Freidman, and Regan? Can we get the adults back please?

1192 bruxellesblog  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:01:06am

re: #1191 bruxellesblog

Here here MPH! Just read your post. We are on the same page it seems.

1193 Syrah  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:21:12am

re: #1191 bruxellesblog

Where the hell is the party of Godwater, Freidman, and Regan?

Its so busy with and full of people who have nothing to offer it but "ten thousand reasons why "x" won't work" that Goldwater, Freidman and Reagan would never have gotten past the starting line.

1194 bruxellesblog  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 12:53:21pm

re: #1193 Syrah

ts so busy with and full of people who have nothing to offer it but "ten thousand reasons why "x" won't work" that Goldwater, Freidman and Reagan would never have gotten past the starting line.

Are you saying that the Republican Party, by being less negative and giving Palin a chance, would find her of the same level as arguably the greatest US president or a Nobel prize winner?

I'm sorry, I think this is totally preposterous.

1195 Syrah  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 1:15:03pm

re: #1194 bruxellesblog

I was not arguing for "give her a chance." I was pointing out that those who stand by on the side line and do nothing but complain and pee into the cheerios win nothing.

1196 livfreeordie  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 5:45:07pm

Late to the thread---from what I've seen/read
(1) She is not a wacko creationist
(2) Her instincts are pretty solid
(3) To show she is in fact high enough IQ for the elites she needs to do some studying _
Read some good basic econ books...do Homework..study guide (e.g. Mankiw). Read a lot...know the enemy...Read a bunch of good US History books. Read some world history...Lay low...give some stump speeches to feed the family...Knock the libs for a loop...Read the Economist with skeptical perspective (will be able to answer all those gotcha questions about "Who is the Prime Minister of Grabistan" and even turn the tables on the Katie Courics of this world). Follow the Inside the Beltway news...
(4) If she has a plan anything like (3) she could be awesome in late 2011 early 2012. She could garner some Ivy League - U Chicago conservative professors and get some good smart advisers. Really she'd have as much experience as Obama and some other presidents. She might be on sabbatical and not dead..

1197 bruxellesblog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:33:42am

re: #1196 livfreeordie

(2) Her instincts are pretty solid

She just QUIT midterm. Oh yes, I want to vote for a President, CEO, manager who says, "Jeeze, this is tough, I'll quit until it gets easier". I think her instincts are, frankly, crap.

(3) To show she is in fact high enough IQ for the elites she needs to do some studying _

With all due respect, she has proven herself completely unwilling and/or unable to sort out basic facts aside from pithy and ultimately useless red meat platitudes.

Palin gets 20% of the southern strategy base, that is it. The Republicans may as well run Larouche. Andrew Jackson she ain't, and never will be.

1198 EaterOfFood  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:47:31am

No matter what happens, I am afraid she can kiss even a chance at the GOP nom in 2012 goodbye with this action.


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