Hello from Annapolis Maryland

I celebrated the bicentennial at the beach in Santa Monica...yowza!...never seen so many fireworks!

Years ago, the History Channel ran their special on The American Revolution for Independence Day. That was awesome.

God Bless our Founders, Fathers and Mothers alike, and God bless America.

re: #1 Nevergiveup

Hello from Annapolis Maryland

don't forget the Rams Head!...okay I quit

I'm about 2 hours away from blowing some stuff up. Woo Hoo!

re: #5 VegasRick

Play safe.

looks like a really cool show...thanks Charles!

re: #5 VegasRick

I'm about 2 hours away from blowing some stuff up. Woo Hoo!

Enjoy! There are few problem that can't be cured by blowing things up.

re: #6 Tarkus289

Play safe.

I will. As I've told you before - I LOVE THE AVATAR!

Not available in my country.

re: #9 VegasRick

Thanks man, I wish they were here.

re: #11 Tarkus289

Thanks man, I wish they were here.

Me too. I Will Never Forget.

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

Enjoy! There are few problem that can't be cured by blowing things up.

This was meant in jest, to be clear.

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

This was meant in jest, to be clear.

Now you tell me?

re: #4 albusteve

don't forget the Rams Head!...okay I quit

I drove by it today. I'll visit it.

re: #1 Nevergiveup

Happy Independence day, Doc.

Watching a Capitol 4th on PBS. Aretha Franklin is HUGE .

re: #14 VegasRick

Now you tell me?

It was a disclaimer added to make sure I didn't get in trouble if someone objected.

Just set it to downlaod, I will watch it all later.

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

It was a disclaimer added to make sure I didn't get in trouble if someone objected.

Well, I already blew up one of Avanti's Studabakers!
/

re: #10 Jimmah

Not available in my country.

I just turned my pc into an American pc. Getting it now, although it's a bit slow. I'll let it come down the line and watch later.

Sh*t I can't watch this video due to copyright restrictions.
What a darn shame.

re: #20 VegasRick

Well, I already blew up one of Avanti's Studabakers!
/

By his own admission, he has junked a number of Studebakers when they could not be restored. I'm sure that he'd make a junked hull available for demolition.

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

This was meant in jest, to be clear.

SHIT!

*blows out fuse*

Organic solution to all household insect problems. The age of nasty chemical sprays is over:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

re: #16 rightside

Happy Independence day, Doc.

You to. I parked in a parking lot near a parade field and went into town. When I came back all 1200 plebes were drilling on the field and in the lot. I was kinda stuck, so I hung around and watched them for about an hour. They finally moved off and I was able to go on my way.

re: #17 snowcrash

Watching a Capitol 4th on PBS. Aretha Franklin is HUGE .

That can be taken several ways.

Dark here, it seems much quieter than last year, I swear it was like Beirut or Baghdad, shit was going off all over the place, big stuff too, I was a little worried.

re: #27 Truck Monkey
BIG. lol

re: #3 Sharmuta

Years ago, the History Channel ran their special on The American Revolution for Independence Day. That was awesome.

God Bless our Founders, Fathers and Mothers alike, and God bless America.

If you get the Military Channel on your cable or sat system, I believe the same program is on right now, if it's the one I'm thinking of.

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

By his own admission, he has junked a number of Studebakers when they could not be restored. I'm sure that he'd make a junked hull available for demolition.

I like this......

re: #26 Nevergiveup

When we pulled in there for liberty back in '88 I think, we missed the last liberty boat back til the morning. We broke into one of the academy buses, and slept in it, until the first boat came in the morning.

In honor of July 4th:

The Greatest Play In Baseball - Rick Monday Saves U.S. Flag

Way to go Rick. He also served in the US Marines.

Do we have to watch all 45 minutes before we comment?

re: #27 Truck Monkey

That can be taken several ways.

I thought he meant that she really blew up (fat)! (get it! blew-up! 4th of July! BLEW UP!)
*nevermind.

Lizards, I am gonna bail.
Callahan, thanks for always having my back.
And thanks to all the Lizards who make me feel at home here.

re: #25 Jimmah

Organic solution to all household insect problems. The age of nasty chemical sprays is over:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Instead of attaching Giant Hornets to probes, can we release them into the White House?

/just kidding

re: #33 Nevergiveup

Classic.

A (belated) happy 4th of July lizards!

re: #39 Fenboy

Same to you!

re: #25 Jimmah

Organic solution to all household insect problems. The age of nasty chemical sprays is over:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Also, since the carbon dioxide emissions, of the bees increases during their defense reaction, I would expect Obama to try to have them subject to Cap-and-Trade.

re: #36 DEZes

Lizards, I am gonna bail.
Callahan, thanks for always having my back.
And thanks to all the Lizards who make me feel at home here.

You are always welcome. (DEZes)

I am also calling it quits for today, 's late here.
See y'all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly.

Really!

Just finished a half-slab of baby backs and two ears of grilled corn. I'm washing it back with tonight's Legacy Brew:

Schmidt - The Brew That Grew With the Great Northwest

One of my all-time favorite ads.

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Japanese Hornets are nasty as hell. Multiple stings can kill a man.

re: #3 Sharmuta

Happy independence day Sharmuta.

I was wondering btw- is the sample at the beginning the theme from "The Big Country"?

re: #43 Noam Sayin'

Finished the meal by firing a couple bottle rockets. One ended up on my roof - no report, the other went in my neighbor's yard and reported right by his kitchen window.

Who, me?

re: #44 Fenboy

Japanese Hornets are nasty as hell. Multiple stings can kill a man.

I knew that. I was only kidding, and even in jest I didn't want anyone dead.

The proper use of bottle rockets: Redneck Rocket Launcher:

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Instead of attaching Giant Hornets to probes, can we release them into the White House?

/just kidding

Yeah, in the event of Sarah Palin ever taking up residence.

/also kidding

Besides, Obama has some skill when it comes to dealing with insects...

re: #48 sngnsgt

Dammit, embedding disabled.

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Also, since the carbon dioxide emissions, of the bees increases during their defense reaction, I would expect Obama to try to have them subject to Cap-and-Trade.

Lots of tiny carbon footprints add up I suppose...lol

re: #43 Noam Sayin'

Just finished a half-slab of baby backs and two ears of grilled corn. I'm washing it back with tonight's Legacy Brew:

Schmidt - The Brew That Grew With the Great Northwest

One of my all-time favorite ads.

I used to get water from Schmidts well back when I was a kid. West 7th street I believe. I miss it there.... mostly during the summer.

real, authentic American music...
Rag Momma Rag

One of my favorites....

re: #54 jcm

One of my favorites....

Ray!....love the old guy...RIP

This is interesting - in depth dicussion and tour of the lab where it's all done:

Richard Dawkins interviews Craig Venter for "The Genius of Charles Darwin", the Channel 4 UK TV program which won British Broadcasting Awards' "Best Documentary Series" of 2008. Craig Venter founded The Institute for Genomic Research and has been credited with being instrumental in mapping the human genome. His team published the first complete genome of an individual human - Venter's own DNA sequence.

[Link: richarddawkins.net...]

I stayed home from the fireworks with a headache. Now it sounds like half my neighbors are shooting off fireworks, but because of the trees I can't see much. So I get all the noise with none of the visual enjoyment.

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, didn't think you were, I was just throwing the link in there for great justice ;)

re: #57 doppelganglander

I stayed home from the fireworks with a headache. Now it sounds like half my neighbors are shooting off fireworks, but because of the trees I can't see much. So I get all the noise with none of the visual enjoyment.

It's raining....It's silent....just the pitter patter of raindrops

re: #56 Jimmah

This is interesting - in depth dicussion and tour of the lab where it's all done:

[Link: richarddawkins.net...]

Sounds good but I don't care much for Dawkins. His militant atheism is off-putting. Still, his research is done right.

re: #58 Fenboy

Yeah, didn't think you were, I was just throwing the link in there for great justice ;)

All your bee colony are belong to us!

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

All your bee colony are belong to us!

BZZZZZHAHAHAHAHA!

re: #59 HoosierHoops

It's raining....It's silent....just the pitter patter of raindrops

Pity about the rain - unless you're trying to cheer Dopps up...
:)

(Waves, silently, to Doppleganglander)

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

All your bee colony are belong to us!

Upding! Keyboard, wipedown, you know the drill...

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Sounds good but I don't care much for Dawkins. His militant atheism is off-putting. Still, his research is done right.

He's a staunch atheist. Call him militant when you see him blowing shit up and killing people.

Take off every worker!

They are showing the fireworks on the Hudson River. My office is right near there. I'd be happy if one fell on it and burned it down. I'd make more that way than by selling it.

I have good news and bad news.
Good news: I think it's looking less likely that Palin has an impending scandal about to break.
Bad news: She's lost her mind
Palin's Attorney Threatening Lawsuits
It's looking increasingly likely that she can't handle bloggers and comedians. Imagine the right wing outrage if Obama was threatening to sue over Nirth Certifikit posts on the internet. This is just something that serious national politicians just don't do. They rise above it.

re: #67 Nevergiveup

They are showing the fireworks on the Hudson River. My office is right near there. I'd be happy if one fell on it and burned it down. I'd make more that way than by selling it.

That bad, eh? ;-P

re: #65 Jimmah

He's a staunch atheist. Call him militant when you see him blowing shit up and killing people.

Good point.

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Sounds good but I don't care much for Dawkins. His emphatic atheism is off-putting. Still, his research is done right.

Post corrected.

re: #66 Fenboy

Take off every worker!

You know what you must do.

re: #69 talon_262

That bad, eh? ;-P

Well it would certainly be less complicated than selling. And with the economy as it is and all, easier.

re: #63 PSGInfinity

Pity about the rain - unless you're trying to cheer Dopps up...
:)

(Waves, silently, to Doppleganglander)

Thanks., PSGInfinity. Some nice quiet rain does sound good right now.

Hey, Hoops!

re: #68 Killgore Trout

I have good news and bad news.
Good news: I think it's looking less likely that Palin has an impending scandal about to break.
Bad news: She's lost her mind
Palin's Attorney Threatening Lawsuits
It's looking increasingly likely that she can't handle bloggers and comedians. Imagine the right wing outrage if Obama was threatening to sue over Nirth Certifikit posts on the internet. This is just something that serious national politicians just don't do. They rise above it.

I usually give a warning whenever I post a link from the NYT's, maybe you should you do that when you link to the dailykos?

The fireworks on TV are quite nice, and there's a mute button.

re: #68 Killgore Trout
I guess you forgot about Obama threatening people with lawsuits in Missouri for daring to speak ill of him.

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

Fugees - Fugee LA. (Sly and Robbie Mix)

re: #74 Nevergiveup

I usually give a warning whenever I post a link from the NYT's, maybe you should you do that when you link to the dailykos?

Quite concur. Sudden exposure to large amounts of moonbat guano can't be hazardous to your health.

re: #72 Nevergiveup

Well it would certainly be less complicated than selling. And with the economy as it is and all, easier.

Ouch. Jingle Mail, anyone?

re: #76 quiet man

I guess you forgot about Obama threatening people with lawsuits in Missouri for daring to speak ill of him.

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

How dare you attempt to counter KT's full-on Palin hate with mere facts!

///

Myself I hope she comes down to the 48...(55 for Obamatrons)and ris the dems a new orifice or two

re: #76 quiet man

Those are a couple of douchebags in Missouri. Not Obama's personal lawyer. Big difference.

re: #79 PSGInfinity

Ouch. Jingle Mail, anyone?

Bad idea. That torches your credit. Better to work with the bank when you leave. It's less harmful that way.

re: #77 Jimmah
Nice.

re: #82 Killgore Trout

You mean Obama didn't know ...AGAIN?
uh huh and Gore was behind the door at the monestary, too

re: #82 Killgore Trout

Those are a couple of douchebags in Missouri. Not Obama's personal lawyer. Big difference.

But they were a Sheriff and a DA (called a Circuit Attorney there). In some ways that worse, because they can prosecute you.

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

But they were a Sheriff and a DA (called a Circuit Attorney there). In some ways that worse, because they can prosecute you.

re: #74 Nevergiveup

I usually give a warning whenever I post a link from the NYT's, maybe you should you do that when you link to the dailykos?

Here's much the same info from a less tainted source. It looks like she's about to try a save the country for conservatives, If so, look for big fight about the face of the party from those that think Palin could cause more harm then good.

Palin.

re: #87 albusteve

what did I say?

Later lizards!

douchebags only because they supported Obama and were as happy to abuse their power as Obama is.

re: #68 Killgore Trout

RE: Palin's potential lawsuit(s)

Well pointed out but...
...Sarah has been the recipient, and her family the victim, of the most vicious public wilding ever. This simply *must* be stopped. Although Sarah may be a public figure, what they said about Trig, Willow, and Bristol is beyond the pale. Further, willfully misusing the ethics system has chewed up $2M of Alaskan taxpayer money. Simply to make war on a woman who reminds the Left of how disgusting they really are.

We shouldn't have taken this ever, and this is one good place to put a stop to it. The Leftist Brats (but I repeat myself) must be held to account for this sort of thing - else we're that much down the road to dissolution and/or outright conflict.

re: #88 avanti

Here's much the same info from a less tainted source. It looks like she's about to try a save the country for conservatives, If so, look for big fight about the face of the party from those that think Palin could cause more harm then good.

Palin.

personally I don't give a shit anymore...for her it's not about party, it's personal, thanks to liberal smear mongers

re: #92 PSGInfinity
Yes, but those are state douchebag liberals..not national ones. So its okay

/sarc

re: #88 avanti

That's fine and I wasn't doubting the story as much as commenting on the fact that some people seem to spent an considerable amount of time on the dailykos.

re: #88 avanti

Here's much the same info from a less tainted source. It looks like she's about to try a save the country for conservatives, If so, look for big fight about the face of the party from those that think Palin could cause more harm then good.

Palin.

At least she'll look good in tights and a cape.

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

Bad idea. That torches your credit. Better to work with the bank when you leave. It's less harmful that way.

True dat. I wasn't talking about me, but rather alluding to a national issue. What's worse, when the number of "Jinglers" reaches mid-seven figures, goes who's going to demand a bailout...
...And who'll give it to 'em. And who'll have to pay for it.

Without meaningful representation.

re: #93 albusteve

personally I don't give a shit anymore...for her it's not about party, it's personal, thanks to liberal smear mongers

Agreed. She's a wife and mother before she is any sort of politician.

Gee, she's quitting, and now she won't people kick her any more!

Wahhh!... She's so mean!

Nobody's bored.

re: #93 albusteve

Thank god it is personal..we need someone to blaze the way and being pissed off is the proper reaction to the slime the left uses on her.

sordid tales meant to humble, humiliating tabloid tales...when all else fails, turn the tables and bare your claws...I hope Palin goes on the warpath

re: #99 swamprat
She isn't quiting politics. She is coming here with a club in one hand and a fishing rod in the other.

re: #92 PSGInfinity

Hate to break it to you but political commentary, satire, ridicule, jokes, cartoons are part of our cherished right to free speech. Our courts will continue to investigate criminal activities of politicians. I know it seems outrageous but that's the way it works.

re: #95 Nevergiveup

That's fine and I wasn't doubting the story as much as commenting on the fact that some people seem to spent an considerable amount of time on the dailykos.

they are liberals...that's where they get their juice....btw how's that liberal fiscal policy working out for CA?...anyone?

re: #96 doppelganglander

At least she'll look good in tights and a cape.

If she (Super Sarah?) weren't married, I'd hit that and destroy it...

;-P

re: #94 quiet man

Yes, but those are state douchebag liberals..not national ones. So its okay

/sarc

Heh™

re: #101 albusteve

sordid tales meant to humble, humiliating tabloid tales...when all else fails, turn the tables and bare your claws...I hope Palin goes on the warpath

I doubt she will. I'd more likely expect her to lay low for a time and hope the media moves onto other things.

She has changed the rules.

As I said before, somebody has cracked open the SunTzu.

Now they are really reaching for the Maalox.

re: #102 quiet man

She isn't quiting politics. She is coming here with a club in one hand and a fishing rod in the other.

Unlikely....Well, maybe she hunts moose different.

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Hate to break it to you but political commentary, satire, ridicule, jokes, cartoons are part of our cherished right to free speech. Our courts will continue to investigate criminal activities of politicians. I know it seems outrageous but that's the way it works.

Killgore..how's that fiscal liberal satire working out in MI?...you say conservatives have no clue as to fiscal responsibility?...how so?

Absolutely no wind tonight in Mpls. Got my neighbor's house zeroed in with bottle rockets.

She's kind of a nosy-Nettie.

*fire for effect*

re: #103 Killgore Trout
Another defender of misogyny speaks out. No matter...Palin scares the left on issues, so much that all they are left with is personal attacks on her kids.

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Hate to break it to you but political commentary, satire, ridicule, jokes, cartoons are part of our cherished right to free speech. Our courts will continue to investigate criminal activities of politicians. I know it seems outrageous but that's the way it works.

I'd still argue for more stringent liable laws. That would blunt the media's ability to mount out-of-bounds attacks.

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

I'd still argue for more stringent liable laws. That would blunt the media's ability to mount out-of-bounds attacks.

A good beating would work also.

re: #109 swamprat
she likes to fish too..and not much moose round here.

Of she does come back pissed, it will be the best thing the US has seen for a very long time.

re: #112 quiet man

Another defender of misogyny speaks out. No matter...Palin scares the left on issues, so much that all they are left with is personal attacks on her kids.

Not so. Killgore doesn't like Sarah Palin, but he has never shown any misogynistic streak in my eyes.

re: #114 Nevergiveup

A good beating would work also.

True, but I'd that's a dangerous road to head down. If the words are not incitement, violence cannot be a legitimate response.

re: #116 Dark_Falcon
Good. Disliking her politics is one thing..defending the personal attacks is another. Myself, I have seen the left throw every too many groups under the bus for a short term political gain/ So I do not expect much more from them.

They dislike her because she's conservative but they hate her because she's hot. They got nothing.

re: #105 talon_262

If she (Super Sarah?) weren't married, I'd hit that and destroy it...

;-P

You and about half the men in America, I think. Sometimes I wonder if she'd get as much flak if she were less attractive, but I think it would be as bad if not worse.

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

True, but I'd that's a dangerous road to head down. If the words are not incitement, violence cannot be a legitimate response.

The world was a simpler place 75 years ago

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Hate to break it to you but political commentary, satire, ridicule, jokes, cartoons are part of our cherished right to free speech. Our courts will continue to investigate criminal activities of politicians. I know it seems outrageous but that's the way it works.

1) Family members should be off limits, unless they themselves put themselves in the public light.
(Decency, Fire in theater, public interest in fostering participation)
See: Billy Carter vs. Amy Carter (1970's behaviour)

2) Willfully lying shouldn't be excused even in this realm. And it isn't - the actual bar includes "willful malice".

Pace Westmoreland v. CBS, this'll actually be a lot easier to prove on both counts. Courts can, and in time will, insist that bloviators actually fact-check dey own azzes before they bloviate. And with everybody having a twitter, facbook, etc. The Whackazz Left (but I repeat myself) could find itself in a pickle.

And I hope Sarah dunks 'em in the tank.

re: #84 Killgore Trout

Did you see Shrieks on Palin's resignation? : "PALIN STEPPING DOWN! PALIN PUTSCH: PRAY FOR A PALACE REVOLUTION!"

re: #122 PSGInfinity

That is what the internet is for...Charles knocked Rather and CBS out of the park...and good riddance.

re: #108 swamprat

She has changed the rules. As I said before, somebody has cracked open the SunTzu. Now they are really reaching for the Maalox.

Could be...

re: #121 Nevergiveup

The world was a simpler place 75 years ago

True, but not a better place. Back then, Chicago was even more corrupt and both gangsters and politicos used sluggers to attack reporters who exposed their misdeeds. Since that stopped happening, the exposure of corruption in Chicago usually ends with at least some of the corrupt officials going to prison, which did not happen 75 years ago.

re: #112 quiet man

Another defender of misogyny speaks out. No matter...Palin scares the left on issues, so much that all they are left with is personal attacks on her kids.

Hey, hey, now. Kilgore and I are disagreeing, but he's no defender of trash, misogynist or otherwise.

re: #127 PSGInfinity

Hey, hey, now. Kilgore and I are disagreeing, but he's no defender of trash, misogynist or otherwise.

Killgore defends nothing

re: #127 PSGInfinity
I am glad to know that, and based on honest reports, I withdraw the kneejerk accusation.

Saudi Arabia has indicated to Israel that it would not protest use of its airspace by Israeli fighter jets in the event the government resolves to launch a military assault against Iran, according to a report which appeared in the British Sunday Times.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Ya know things are fucked up when Saudi Arabia is more supportive of Israel than the USA is? Bizzarro World?

Boom!

Nothing new to report.

/Yet.

What's she doing now?

We don't know, but some are saying something about a "higher calling"

Ok! Break out the nun jokes, dig up any locals that hate her and quote them heavily, see if we can make fun of her "lawsuit" thing--without getting our asses sued off. Let's do some sympathy pieces on those likely to get sued... what else?

Uh, the abandonment issue?

Excellent, see if Time will do an unflattering portrait on the cover with the headline "quitter?" and crank up the snl crew....come on, we can't be caught playing catchup, if that fool McCain had waited just a bit longer to announce her, he'd be pres!

re: #124 quiet man

That is what the internet is for...Charles knocked Rather and CBS out of the park...and good riddance.

I'd love to still believe that. But the Psychotic Left (but I repeat myself) is simply using it to act out their mental disturbances. Asking a Leftist to put that aside and be fair is like asking the Japanese hornet to refrain from stinging.

re: #74 Nevergiveup

Come on! The Daily Kos is a respectible propaganda ministry for the Democratic Party unbiased news source. Even Democratic Presidents count on him to tell the Pravda. Pravda means "truth" after all.

re: #130 Nevergiveup
So true...and Obama won't allow sanctions against them either.

Just goes to show maybe the Arab street is getting tired of the 13th century

re: #130 Nevergiveup

Saudi Arabia has indicated to Israel that it would not protest use of its airspace by Israeli fighter jets in the event the government resolves to launch a military assault against Iran, according to a report which appeared in the British Sunday Times.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Ya know things are fucked up when Saudi Arabia is more supportive of Israel than the USA is? Bizzarro World?

It's simple really: King Abdullah understands how the world really works, Barack Obama does not.

re: #130 Nevergiveup

Saudi Arabia has indicated to Israel that it would not protest use of its airspace by Israeli fighter jets in the event the government resolves to launch a military assault against Iran, according to a report which appeared in the British Sunday Times.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Ya know things are fucked up when Saudi Arabia is more supportive of Israel than the USA is? Bizzarro World?

see? there you have it...predictable...and there is probably even more piling on behind the scenes...Iran is poison

re: #134 Iron Fist

Come on! The Daily Kos is a respectible propaganda ministry for the Democratic Party unbiased news source. Even Democratic Presidents count on him to tell the Pravda. Pravda means "truth" after all.

Screw Daily Kos.

=]

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

It's simple really: King Abdullah understands how the world really works, Barack Obama does not.

You're right.
That is scary.

re: #120 doppelganglander

You and about half the men in America, I think. Sometimes I wonder if she'd get as much flak if she were less attractive, but I think it would be as bad if not worse.

I'd like to think that with some more experience behind the scenes on the national stage, Palin can still become a major player in her own right (and the fact that she's attractive is certainly a plus). However, the leftist Palin haters are gonna hound her and hate on her (and her family) for the rest of her days precisely because she has the ability and potential to be a major threat to them, no matter her looks or whatever she does.

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

I'd still argue for more stringent liable laws. That would blunt the media's ability to mount out-of-bounds attacks.

I'd be very wary of that. In the UK for example, a science writer is being sued for libel by a bunch of chiropracting nitwits who objected to his calling their claims - that chiropracty can be used to successfully treat a whole range of illnesses in children - from athsma to colic - as 'bogus' -whuch they are, since there is no evidence whatsoever to back these claims up. This should have been thrown out of court on day one, but the guy looks to be in serious trouble. That's what can happen when a more 'stringent' approach to libel law is taken.

re: #130 Nevergiveup

[SNIP]
Ya know things are fucked up when Saudi Arabia is more supportive of Israel than the USA is? Bizzarro World?

The al-Sauds are pretty rational WRT their own self-intersts, at least as they perceive them. The Obama crowd, OTOH...

re: #127 PSGInfinity

Kilgore and I are disagreeing, but he's no defender of trash, misogynist or otherwise.

We'll have to disagree some more then: I'm a big defender of trash. I like Howard Stern, Larry Flint, Frank Zappa, shockjocks, pornography, pisschrist, Mohamed cartoons, blasphemy, foul language, flag burning, etc. I consider them all valuable parts of free speech.

re: #133 PSGInfinity
Laughing

It like a strange form of tourettes...

re: #143 Killgore Trout

We'll have to disagree some more then: I'm a big defender of trash. I like Howard Stern, Larry Flint, Frank Zappa, shockjocks, pornography, pisschrist, Mohamed cartoons, blasphemy, foul language, flag burning, etc. I consider them all valuable parts of free speech.

you forgot BO...why don't you defend his fiscal policy?

One of my alley neighbors just lit up a 100-count string of firecrackers.

/they really should legalize this.

re: #123 Jimmah

Yeah, I saw that. I have a hard time actually reading anything she writes but I try to scroll through from time to time.

re: #145 albusteve

you forgot BO...why don't you defend his fiscal policy?

You mean spend as fast as possible?

I sat 2 feet from Frank Zappa in a concert in st louis once...He was great,

re: #130 Nevergiveup

Saudi Arabia has indicated to Israel that it would not protest use of its airspace by Israeli fighter jets in the event the government resolves to launch a military assault against Iran, according to a report which appeared in the British Sunday Times.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Ya know things are fucked up when Saudi Arabia is more supportive of Israel than the USA is? Bizzarro World?

Stranger still, RUSSIA has given America flyover clearance to Iraq.......
Probably just a coincidence.

Invest in beryllium, they use it in missiles.

re: #148 J.D.
actually spend far faster than possible.

re: #141 Jimmah

I'd be very wary of that. In the UK for example, a science writer is being sued for libel by a bunch of chiropracting nitwits who objected to his calling their claims - that chiropracty can be used to successfully treat a whole range of illnesses in children - from athsma to colic - as 'bogus' -whuch they are, since there is no evidence whatsoever to back these claims up. This should have been thrown out of court on day one, but the guy looks to be in serious trouble. That's what can happen when a more 'stringent' approach to libel law is taken.

I'd argue for a law wherein truth is a defense, but you don't have to prove exactly who said what and the burden is on the plantiff to show the defendant lied. But in cases where a public figure's children where attacked, I would automatically label that malice.

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

It's simple really: King Abdullah understands how the world really works, Barack Obama does not.

Simply put, the Saudis know what Iran wants to do....they don't want to become a glowing glass-floored parking lot, courtesy of ShortShit.

re: #141 Jimmah

Free speech means other people have the right to voice their opinion, whatever it may be, rather than being forced to agree with your opinion on any issue(s), or, within reason, the dominant opinion of the culture you are in.

A lot of people, both Left and Right, don't seem to grasp this simple fact.

re: #145 albusteve

you forgot BO...why don't you defend his fiscal policy?

I've never seen Killgore try to defend the indefensible.

re: #151 quiet man

actually spend far faster than possible.

The sky is falling!
The sky is falling!

re: #143 Killgore Trout

We'll have to disagree some more then: I'm a big defender of trash. I like Howard Stern, Larry Flint, Frank Zappa, shockjocks, pornography, pisschrist, Mohamed cartoons, blasphemy, foul language, flag burning, etc. I consider them all valuable parts of free speech.

Ah, but you're doing so for defensible reasons, not merely because you wallow in filth. Although Howard, et al, can certainly spray it over the national discourse...

re: #156 J.D.
The sky might be filling ..with Jets soon.

You do know the libs haven't spent but 5 per cent of what they wanted to yet, right?

re: #143 Killgore Trout

what about a "Piss Koran"? I've been thinking about submitting an application to the NEA for a modest grant to produce such a work. I'm thinking a hundred grand should do...

re: #96 doppelganglander

At least she'll look good in tights and a cape.

"No Capes!"
/The Incredibles Super Suit Designing Lady

re: #145 albusteve

you forgot BO...why don't you defend his fiscal policy?

We've talked about his handling of the economy before, you can go back and read my posts. I'm not going to retype them for you. I'm not going to squabble about nonsense and your personal vendettas.

re: #158 quiet man

The sky might be filling ..with Jets soon.

You do know the libs haven't spent but 5 per cent of what they wanted to yet, right?

So you mean there's hope?

/useful word...hope...

re: #140 talon_262

I'd like to think that with some more experience behind the scenes on the national stage, Palin can still become a major player in her own right (and the fact that she's attractive is certainly a plus). However, the leftist Palin haters are gonna hound her and hate on her (and her family) for the rest of her days precisely because she has the ability and potential to be a major threat to them, no matter her looks or whatever she does.

Whatever her natural political abilities, I think she's screwed the pooch here. It sounds like she's going to start up a new Moral Majority-type organization and that's the last thing we need. She might have had a future if she'd ignored the derision, focused on doing her job as governor, and come back in 2012 (or better yet, 2016). As it is, she's over - and I say this as someone who likes her.

re: #159 Iron Fist

Tell em really yellow piss costs extra

re: #160 NelsFree

"No Capes!"
/The Incredibles Super Suit Designing Lady

I was thinking that as I typed! But I figured no one would get the superhero reference without mentioning a cape. And the designer's name was Edna. I love that movie.

re: #163 doppelganglander

It sounds like she's going to start up a new Moral Majority-type organization and that's the last thing we need.

Amen!

re: #162 J.D.

I'm hoping Sarah comes down to rip apart the dems next year.
Change we can believe in.

re: #159 Iron Fist

what about a "Piss Koran"? I've been thinking about submitting an application to the NEA for a modest grant to produce such a work. I'm thinking a hundred grand should do...

Oooo, wouldn't that make some heads explode ... not to mention the swinish terrorist's (BIRM) reaction.

re: #165 doppelganglander
Never look back, darling

re: #163 doppelganglander

It sounds like she's going to start up a new Moral Majority-type organization and that's the last thing we need.

It does kinda sound like that. I was thinking she might actually become a preacher or something. Some kind of political Christianity thing.

re: #161 Killgore Trout

We've talked about his handling of the economy before, you can go back and read my posts. I'm not going to retype them for you. I'm not going to squabble about nonsense and your personal vendettas.

you are a whimp to continue to pick on Sarah Palin and ignore a far greater threat to this country...it's petty Killgore and you are no better than the Glenn Beck types...PDS looks bad on you

re: #167 quiet man

I just hope she hasn't shot herself in the foot.
Strategically, I'm not sure she made a great decision for herself, really.

re: #170 Killgore Trout

Here is hoping she becomes a preacher..of the truth concerning Obama's power grab.

re: #159 Iron Fist

what about a "Piss Koran"? I've been thinking about submitting an application to the NEA for a modest grant to produce such a work. I'm thinking a hundred grand should do...

Good Free Speech point, bad idea in real life. If something like that were created here, even moderate Muslims we work with might turn on us.

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

I'd argue for a law wherein truth is a defense, but you don't have to prove exactly who said what and the burden is on the plantiff to show the defendant lied. But in cases where a public figure's children where attacked, I would automatically label that malice.

I agree that children are not legitimate targets in political slagging matches.

re: #130 Nevergiveup

Saudi Arabia has indicated to Israel that it would not protest use of its airspace by Israeli fighter jets in the event the government resolves to launch a military assault against Iran, according to a report which appeared in the British Sunday Times.

Ya know things are fucked up when Saudi Arabia is more supportive of Israel than the USA is? Bizzarro World?

Saudi Arabia is Wahabbist Sunni. Iran is Shia. They hate each other when they're done hating Kafiri.

re: #172 J.D.
Look at it this way..by not spilling all the beans, she even took Michael off the screen for a few minutes...Plus, everyone is talking about her now.

It could be a real master stroke, played right and without McCain *handlers* dogging her.

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

Good Free Speech point, bad idea in real life. If something like that were created here, even moderate Muslims we work with might turn on us.

PC sensitivity will be the death of us and our way of life.

re: #164 quiet man

That would, like, cause me to have to drink a lot of alcohol. That should be considered hazardous duty, so I should charge a lot more, or they get weak piss made from spring water :-P

My Epilepsy symptoms have been getting really intense over the past few years haven't been fun. I have photosensitive Epilepsy which means exposure to flashing lights at certain intensities or to certain visual patterns can trigger seizures.

www.epilepsyfoundation.org

re: #150 swamprat

Saudi Arabia has indicated to Israel that it would not protest use of its airspace by Israeli fighter jets

Stranger still, RUSSIA has given America flyover clearance to Iraq.......

Probably just a coincidence.

Say, isn't dinnerjacket a friend of li'l kim?

Dinnerjacket has uranium, and kim has missiles.

Probably just a coincidence

re: #179 Iron Fist
so long as you remain sincere to the art...every artist must suffer you know.

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

If they would, then they aren't really with us. It'd be better to know that now than when they blow up the Sears tower or something.

re: #180 sngnsgt

I assume fireworks are out of the question for you. I'm sorry to hear that.

re: #180 sngnsgt

My Epilepsy symptoms have been getting really intense over the past few years haven't been fun. I have photosensitive Epilepsy which means exposure to flashing lights at certain intensities or to certain visual patterns can trigger seizures.

www.epilepsyfoundation.org

Not a prayer type. I send you my best wishes for relief and recovery.

re: #180 sngnsgt
I was traiuned by the local Epilepsy organization...eye opening for me.
thanks for the link...something everyone needs to know.

re: #180 sngnsgt

My Epilepsy symptoms have been getting really intense over the past few years haven't been fun. I have photosensitive Epilepsy which means exposure to flashing lights at certain intensities or to certain visual patterns can trigger seizures.

www.epilepsyfoundation.org

That's a shame. Fireworks are one of the great simple pleasures in life.

re: #178 CynicalConservative

PC sensitivity will be the death of us and our way of life.

True, but at the same time we shouldn't serve up crude insults to Islam. I don't like their violent reactions at all, but those are the reactions we have to deal with, thus necessitating a cautious, moderate policy.

re: #177 quiet man

She's still pretty young, so I certainly wouldn't write her off.

re: #163 doppelganglander

It sounds like she's going to start up a new Moral Majority-type organization and that's the last thing we need.

She will take away our pro-atheist library books and make our children have unwanted babies!

re: #163 doppelganglander

It sounds like she's going to start up a new Moral Majority-type organization and that's the last thing we need.

Interesting observation.

Of course, if she does that, we can ask what was wrong with the old Moral Majority (and similar organizations.)

Several otherwise sparingly posting Palinophiles came out in the last Palin thread... She has popularity among the religious right and such.

Until further information is forthcoming, I'm assuming she is retreating from the heat of the national political battle to spend time with her family, which, according to many preachers (don't shoot the messenger here) is her rightful place.

re: #181 swamprat

Saudi Arabia has indicated to Israel that it would not protest use of its airspace by Israeli fighter jets

Stranger still, RUSSIA has given America flyover clearance to Iraq.......

Probably just a coincidence.

Say, isn't dinnerjacket a friend of li'l kim?

Dinnerjacket has uranium, and kim has missiles.

Probably just a coincidence

nothing is a coincidence....the board pieces are starting to shift against Iran...they have no friends and soon there will be a gren light to move against them....BO is out of the loop for all practical purposes

re: #189 J.D.
I have supported her since she took Obama's speechs apart.

re: #183 Iron Fist

If they would, then they aren't really with us. It'd be better to know that now than when they blow up the Sears tower or something.

Many Muslims would turn on us if they perceive us as a threat to their religion. A "Piss Koran" would be spun by Islamist propaganda as just that.

re: #163 doppelganglander

Whatever her natural political abilities, I think she's screwed the pooch here. It sounds like she's going to start up a new Moral Majority-type organization and that's the last thing we need. She might have had a future if she'd ignored the derision, focused on doing her job as governor, and come back in 2012 (or better yet, 2016). As it is, she's over - and I say this as someone who likes her.

The best thing she could have done was remain governor, brush up on her out of state skills and lay low until ready. If she decides to get out on the National stage with her thin skin she had better be ready, or the MSM will crucify her.

re: #191 freetoken

nicely played!

re: #187 doppelganglander

That's a shame. Fireworks are one of the great simple pleasures in life.

Hmmm... I guess that means family photos get really tricky too. Hey, what about red-light cameras, esp. at night?
(Sorry to hear that - what a bother)

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

True, but at the same time we shouldn't serve up crude insults to Islam. I don't like their violent reactions at all, but those are the reactions we have to deal with, thus necessitating a cautious, moderate policy.

who defines "crude insult"? Based on the average reported Islam reaction, existence outside of Islam is cause for death and terror. Moderation for us, extremism for them.

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

Good Free Speech point, bad idea in real life. If something like that were created here, even moderate Muslims we work with might turn on us.

I like the idea of bursting the bubble of muslim religious sensitivity in that sort of way, I must admit, but I have to agree that in practical terms it wouldn't be a good thing. That level of open contempt for religious taboos has to originate from the religious group in question, otherwise it will just be seen as a hostile assault by 'crusaders'.

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Many Muslims would turn on us if they perceive us as a threat to their religion. A "Piss Koran" would be spun by Islamist propaganda as just that.

Our mere existence is a threat to their religion.

re: #198 CynicalConservative

who defines "crude insult"? Based on the average reported Islam reaction, existence outside of Islam is cause for death and terror. Moderation for us, extremism for them.

Agreed. We need to start playing by our rules, not theirs. And punishing them for breaking them...

re: #191 freetoken

the religeous right, and people who can find thier asses with both hands and a flashlight...others tend to have nothing save personal attacks for the basis of their rejection of her.

Myself I expect her to help the GOP drive the dems down for 2010..all this talk of quitting is liberal wishful thinking//she said nothing of the sort in her speech.

re: #201 PSGInfinity

Agreed. We need to start playing by our rules, not theirs. And punishing them for breaking them...

Alas that I have but one up-ding to give.

re: #187 doppelganglander

I've never actually been a fan of fireworks. I don't like loud noises. I remember as a little kid my folks would make me hold those sparklers. I would just cry until it went out. I hated those things.

re: #195 avanti

The best thing she could have done was remain governor, brush up on her out of state skills and lay low until ready. If she decides to get out on the National stage with her thin skin she had better be ready, or the MSM will crucify her.

Damn, I had to upding you for that.

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Anything that we do will be spun as attacking Islam by the Islamists, so this isn't really much different. It won't happen, of course, but that is a victory for terrorism. It proves terrorism works.

This might be something for Christians to keep in mind the next time sombody turns out a "Piss Christ" on the taxpayer's dime.

re: #206 Iron Fist

[SNIP] It proves terrorism works. This might be something for Christians to keep in mind the next time somebody turns out a "Piss Christ" on the taxpayer's dime.

I just wanted to see that again. :)

re: #203 CynicalConservative

Alas that I have but one up-ding to give.

And I thank you kindly for it! :)

re: #195 avanti

The best thing she could have done was remain governor, brush up on her out of state skills and lay low until ready. If she decides to get out on the National stage with her thin skin she had better be ready, or the MSM will crucify her.

Yeah, and up until now, they've been treating her and her family with kid gloves.

/Please.

Later, folks.

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

True, but at the same time we shouldn't serve up crude insults to Islam. I don't like their violent reactions at all, but those are the reactions we have to deal with, thus necessitating a cautious, moderate policy.

You should perhaps visit Middle East Media Research Institute MEMRI.org
Palestinian Media Watch [Link: www.pmw.org.il...]
or other similar sites to see what crude insults to Judaism and Christianity are regularly served up by Muslims.

Sample headline from MEMRI: Jul 2 SD# 2429 - Egyptian Writer Muhammad Ibrahim Mabrouk: Columbus Was Trying to Recruit the Chinese Emperor to the Liberation of Jerusalem When He Stumbled Upon America

re: #210 Jimmah

Later, folks.

ciao

re: #201 PSGInfinity

Agreed. We need to start playing by our rules, not theirs. And punishing them for breaking them...

I'd like to support that. The problem is that we're dealing with asymmetric warfare and that much of the Muslim population is already in Western nations. How would we administer the punishment?

re: #191 freetoken

Interesting observation.

Of course, if she does that, we can ask what was wrong with the old Moral Majority (and similar organizations.)

Several otherwise sparingly posting Palinophiles came out in the last Palin thread... She has popularity among the religious right and such.

Until further information is forthcoming, I'm assuming she is retreating from the heat of the national political battle to spend time with her family, which, according to many preachers (don't shoot the messenger here) is her rightful place.

I'm reminded of those in the 1980s who struck back against the increasingly radicalized feminist movement. There was a very loud undercurrent of voices telling conservative women to let their husbands be the bread-winners, to return to home and hearth.

One of the most prominent of those voices belonged to Phyllis Schlafly.

Did she take that advice? Did she shut up and resume her spot on the hearth?

re: #181 swamprat

Stranger still, RUSSIA has given America flyover clearance to Iraq.......

You meant Afghanistan I believe. Not many good reasons to fly over Russia to get to Iraq.

re: #191 freetoken

Interesting observation.

Of course, if she does that, we can ask what was wrong with the old Moral Majority (and similar organizations.)

Several otherwise sparingly posting Palinophiles came out in the last Palin thread... She has popularity among the religious right and such.

Until further information is forthcoming, I'm assuming she is retreating from the heat of the national political battle to spend time with her family, which, according to many preachers (don't shoot the messenger here) is her rightful place.

Who are these preachers?

re: #200 CynicalConservative

Our mere existence is a threat to their religion.

We are dar-es-harb. They are dar-es-islam.

re: #143 Killgore Trout

We'll have to disagree some more then: I'm a big defender of trash. I like Howard Stern, Larry Flint, Frank Zappa, shockjocks, pornography, pisschrist, Mohamed cartoons, blasphemy, foul language, flag burning, etc. I consider them all valuable parts of free speech.

Let's say I create a work of art showing someone defecating on a picture of the Founding Fathers. Other than my right to create such a masterpiece, what would make this a valuable part of free speech? Because I can?

I'm gone too..

thanks Lizards..always a pleasure

re: #219 quiet man

I'm gone too..

thanks Lizards..always a pleasure

caio

re: #191 freetoken

Interesting observation.

Of course, if she does that, we can ask what was wrong with the old Moral Majority (and similar organizations.)

Several otherwise sparingly posting Palinophiles came out in the last Palin thread... She has popularity among the religious right and such.

Until further information is forthcoming, I'm assuming she is retreating from the heat of the national political battle to spend time with her family, which, according to many preachers (don't shoot the messenger here) is her rightful place.

BTW, I'm not shooting you. I'm just asking you to name those preachers.

re: #3 Sharmuta

Years ago, the History Channel ran their special on The American Revolution for Independence Day. That was awesome.

God Bless our Founders, Fathers and Mothers alike, and God bless America.

And they did today - perfect.

re: #209 CynicalConservative

Yeah, and up until now, they've been treating her and her family with kid gloves.

/Please.

Nope, she was and is, a easy target, thus the need for some preparation to deal with certain heat.

re: #215 Mich-again

You meant Afghanistan I believe. Not many good reasons to fly over Russia to get to Iraq.

You are correct.

Not nearly as embarrassing as an earlier gaff I made.
Still this sudden rash of air clearance makes one wonder,

re: #202 quiet man

[SNIP] Myself I expect her to help the GOP drive the dems down for 2010..all this talk of quitting is liberal wishful thinking//she said nothing of the sort in her speech.

Remember, the flip side of contempt is fear ... and I think we can all smell their fear.

They're terrified that she'll undo their basest fantasies (*cough* destruction of Judaism *cough*) and prove them wrong ... and they'd sooner sacrifice their child's future than let that happen.

re: #218 solomonpanting

That's political speech. You can do it. As to whether or not you should do it, well, what purpose does it serve?

And we will question your patriotism over such a work of art filth.

Regarding Palin: it is my opinion that we don't know enough about her plans at this point to really say whether her resignation was based on personal frustration, calculated tactic, shrewd politics, or family oriented. It is my opinion that she is smart enough to succeed with integrity; a value many other Republicans should emulate.
Regarding Killgore, the Joe Biden of LGF:
{gaze}

The flag stil stands for freedom.

re: #223 avanti

Nope, she was and is, a easy target, thus the need for some preparation to deal with certain heat.

She was as easy of a target as Obama was, it's just where the msm media machine decided to concentrate their efforts. Double/triple standard in action.

I trust Sara Palin's instincts. I haven't tried to second-guess her. She's already about 10 ateps ahead of everyone else who's trying to figure her out. Maybe she isn't 'angling' for anything. Maybe she sees a new path for herself which doesn't conform to ours.

All initial speculation was that there was some scandal brewing. I'm proud to say I never believed it for a minute.

At the very least, she's been an inspiration.....

re: #228 MandyManners

The flag stil stands for freedom.

Youtube Video

It ain't no rag.

re: #223 avanti

Nope, she was and is, a easy target, thus the need for some preparation to deal with certain heat.

Avanti, you are next on my gaze list. Would you please, for the record, state how and why Sarah Palin is an "Easy Target"?

re: #226 Iron Fist

That's political speech. You can do it. As to whether or not you should do it, well, what purpose does it serve?

And we will question your patriotism over such a work of art filth.

Yes, Fist, I know I can. And, to answer your question, I go back to my question to Kilgore. Is this a valuable part of free speech, and, if so, how?

re: #226 Iron Fist

That's political speech. You can do it. As to whether or not you should do it, well, what purpose does it serve?

And we will question your patriotism over such a work of art filth.

And you would be just to question his patriotism for so doing. Some acts do demonstrate a lack of love for America.

re: #221 MandyManners

BTW, I'm not shooting you. I'm just asking you to name those preachers.

Looks like Mandy's broken out the cluebat...

I don't blame Palin for leaving. She was treated like crap from the left and the GOP establishment. McCain treated Obama better than her. She was keeping his campaign afloat.

re: #232 NelsFree

Avanti, you are next on my gaze list. Would you please, for the record, state how and why Sarah Palin is an "Easy Target"?

Killgore and avanti are not trolls. They aren't conservatives but they don't try to derail threads and they are not inflammatory.

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

And you would be just to question his patriotism for so doing. Some acts do demonstrate a lack of love for America.

Like a certain friend of Obama photographed standing in a Chicago alley ON AN AMERICAN FLAG!
[Link: newsbusters.org...]

re: #223 avanti

Nope, she was and is, a easy target, thus the need for some preparation to deal with certain heat.

Had Palin been a liberal we would have been subjected to a media campaign from the likes of the ACLU or NOW regarding the chauvinistic reasoning behind the treatment of Sarah Palin. The media would also have had a field day with this topic. However, since she represented the Republican party they have had little if anything to say regarding this and have left her in the wilderness regarding the distinct differences in the treatment of women in politics. This was clearly pointed out however with regards to Hillary Clinton. However this was not the case with Sarah Palin where "the heat" went beyond the norm for any candidate: both male or female.

re: #229 CynicalConservative

Obama was an attractive target and not even the Republicans fired much flack at him. Every time they did McCain asked them to cut it out. McCain wanted to set the tone of the campaign as if it were a polite conversation in some secluded Gentelmen's Club (not that type of Gentelmen's Club :-) while the Democrats wanted to set the tone as though they were two prison gangs going at each other during a prison riot.

We see which side won. We should learn from it.

re: #240 Iron Fist

Obama was an attractive target and not even the Republicans fired much flack at him. Every time they did McCain asked them to cut it out. McCain wanted to set the tone of the campaign as if it were a polite conversation in some secluded Gentelmen's Club (not that type of Gentelmen's Club :-) while the Democrats wanted to set the tone as though they were two prison gangs going at each other during a prison riot.

We see which side won. We should learn from it.

Couldn't agree more.

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

Killgore and avanti are not trolls. They aren't conservatives but they don't try to derail threads and they are not inflammatory.

Well put, DF. Now, if Avanti would answer my question...?

re: #218 solomonpanting

Let's say I create a work of art showing someone defecating on a picture of the Founding Fathers. Other than my right to create such a masterpiece, what would make this a valuable part of free speech? Because I can?

Sure, why not. As long as you own the picture you can poop on it. I don't see why I'd care what you poop on. Poop away!

re: #236 lsrslr14

I don't blame Palin for leaving. She was treated like crap from the left and the GOP establishment. McCain treated Obama better than her. She was keeping his campaign afloat.

THIS. Don't ever forget that Sarah is the sole reason McCain didn't suffer a fifteen-point blowaway.

re: #218 solomonpanting

what would make this a valuable part of free speech? Because I can?

The Left has tried to contort the issue of what is free speech and what should be taxpayer subsidized. They point out that when taxpayers call for an end to subsidies for offensive craplola posing as "art", that is is squelching freedom of speech.

I don't care if someone wastes their own time and money making an obscene expression of their freedom of speech. But when they received a taxpayer funded subsidy to make it, then yeah, I have a problem with it.

If you need a cash subsidy to express your freedom of speech then you have to deal with the "censoring" that comes from people who gave you the cash. Duh.

"Hey Ma, can you give me $20 so I can buy some spray paint so I can make some graffiti on the school?" Thats what those "edgy" artists who mad a mockery of their NEA grants remind me of. Whiny loser kids.

re: #238 NelsFree

Like a certain friend of Obama photographed standing in a Chicago alley ON AN AMERICAN FLAG!
[Link: newsbusters.org...]

Bill Ayers is an anti-patriot. His actions are not just lack of love, but out-and-out disloyalty. That Obama associated with him is a black mark on CBBHO's ledger.

re: #243 Killgore Trout

Sure, why not. As long as you own the picture you can poop on it. I don't see why I'd care what you poop on. Poop away!

But, is it a valuable part of free speech? And if so, why?

re: #235 PSGInfinity

Looks like Mandy's broken out the cluebat...

Huh? No. I just want to know the names of the preachers who are demanding that Gov. Palin get out of the public eye.

re: #221 MandyManners

BTW, I'm not shooting you. I'm just asking you to name those preachers.

Hey, I've had a preacher like that.
And it's OK if freetoken casts a few aspersions here and there:

It's not as if I was saying he condoned his mama wearing army boots.
Or that he still stole puppies from toddlers.

re: #242 NelsFree

Well put, DF. Now, if Avanti would answer my question...?

Avanti, you should answer.

re: #218 solomonpanting

Let's say I create a work of art showing someone defecating on a picture of the Founding Fathers. Other than my right to create such a masterpiece, what would make this a valuable part of free speech? Because I can?

PAGING DR. FREUD.

re: #248 MandyManners

Huh? No. I just want to know the names of the preachers who are demanding that Gov. Palin get out of the public eye.

Oh, you're not using it ... yet.
:)

re: #251 MandyManners

PAGING DR. FREUD.

I'll upding you for that after you change your avatar.
/heh

re: #247 solomonpanting

But, is it a valuable part of free speech? And if so, why?

Who are you to define what "valuable" is. Free speech is what it is; you don't have to like it.

re: #249 swamprat

Hey, I've had a preacher like that.
And it's OK if freetoken casts a few aspersions here and there:

It's not as if I was saying he condoned his mama wearing army boots.
Or that he still stole puppies from toddlers.

THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT.