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I know that every good and excellent thing in the world stands moment by moment on the razor-edge of danger and must be fought for.

Thornton Wilder

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1 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:25:06pm

Nope.

2 Floral Giraffe  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:25:08pm

Happy Independence Day, to the American Lizards!
Hope yours was swell?

3 Sharmuta  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:25:32pm

That's actually very beautiful.

4 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:26:17pm

Heelo, my friends.

5 Floral Giraffe  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:26:17pm

re: #1 Noam Sayin'

That's SOME avatar, you've got now!
(How frightening is he as a Senator?)
Is he your elected official?

6 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:26:20pm

Sometimes, there's icecream.

G'night, all.

7 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:26:55pm

re: #4 austin_blue

Heelo, my friends.

Eek Hello, PIMF.

8 Floral Giraffe  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:30:02pm

Good night, Lizards.
I must go now. Mr. Sandman is calling...

9 Gus  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:30:36pm

All men and women are inherently born with the desire to save the world from Armageddon.

10 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:33:03pm

re: #2 Floral Giraffe

Happy Independence Day, to the American Lizards!
Hope yours was swell?

Thirty neighbors, several grills at our joint and several other houses in the 'hood with house parties. Peter Bay cranked up the Austin Symphony at 8:30 and the fireworks kicked off at 9:30

Peter *hates* this gig.

11 Macker  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:33:26pm

re: #9 Gus 802

All men and women are inherently born with the desire to save the world from Armageddon.

Ever since ST VI had that warp-speed shock wave, every single frakkin' SF movie has to have that crap in there.

WHY?

12 laZardo  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:33:50pm

re: #9 Gus 802

That, I don't want to miss.

13 Macker  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:34:32pm

Hitler Finds Out that Michael Jackson is DEAD:

14 blackpajamas  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:34:33pm

___ The Shaming Of Crooks ___

B. A. Pajamas

The Shaming of Crooks is a difficult matter,
It isn't just one of your Tea Party games;
You may think at first this is mere blogger chatter
When I tell you, such crooks just CAN NOT PERCEIVE SHAME.
Ghastly instinctive rituals shrug off their shame plainly,
By Barney, Nancy, Harry or Al Franken-stain,
With their Earmarks and Corruption, Pork N' Bills Daily--
Self absolved laughably silent of blame.
Then there are deeper shames unfit for all leaders,
Such as with fat Baboons, dollar stuffed and lame:
Such as Hubris, Cowardice, Avarice, Defeatism--
Inexcusably snuffing out the economy's flame.
But I tell you, a crook needs no shame for hiking taxes,
Even if they promised not to raise them, and then lied,
Else how can they keep their heads up their asses,
Or cough up confession, and vomit their pride?
Of knaves of this kind, We can give you a quorum,
Such as Kennedy, Waxman, loons like Pelosi,
Such as all Corruptocrats or Benedict Arlen-
Their profits shame enough to fill several books.
But above and beyond there's one shame left over,
And it's hidden by the shame you'll never guess;
The shame that no climate research can discover--
But THE CROOK HIMSELF KNOWS, and will never confess.
When you notice the Crook in profound meditation,
The reason, I tell you, is always the same:
His mind is engaged in a rapt contemplation
Of the thought, of the thought, of the thought of his name:
His ineffable effable
Effanineffable
Historically feeble singular Name.

(As opposed to the interests of his Banana Republic)

15 Gus  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:35:09pm

re: #11 Macker

Ever since ST VI had that warp-speed shock wave, every single frakkin' SF movie has to have that crap in there.

WHY?

Some ask why. I ask "why not."

//

16 Macker  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:35:41pm

re: #15 Gus 802

Why ask Why? Try Bud Dry.

/snicker

17 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:36:25pm

I am reposting from the last thread. Just got home and I have an adorable picture of my little great nephew in John McCain's arms today at the Prescott, AZ tea party. Wish I knew how to post it. I't's precious.

18 Gus  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:36:32pm

re: #16 Macker

Why ask Why? Try Bud Dry.

/snicker

I've got a Newcastle and some JD. ;)

19 AmeriDan  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:37:21pm

*sniff*
*stand straight*
*salute*

G_d Bless America

20 GGMac  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:37:40pm

re: #3 Sharmuta

That's actually very beautiful.

The first thing that comes to mind is our cherished Republic...

21 Gus  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:37:46pm

re: #12 laZardo

That, I don't want to miss.

Joe Perry endorsed John McCain.

Allegedly.

Aerosmith has opposed the GOP using their music however.

/Tidbits

22 laZardo  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:38:08pm

re: #15 Gus 802

Some ask why. I ask... "why not."

YYYEEEAAAHHH

/enhance'd

23 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:38:22pm

re: #16 Macker

Why ask Why? Try Bud Dry.

/snicker

Bud Dry? Wasn't he an Oklahoma football coach?

24 Macker  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:38:29pm

re: #17 Pvt Bin Jammin

I am reposting from the last thread. Just got home and I have an adorable picture of my little great nephew in John McCain's arms today at the Prescott, AZ tea party. Wish I knew how to post it. I't's precious.

You mean McCain actually made himself useful? OMG! Congrats in any case!

25 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:39:36pm

re: #24 Macker
LOL I wish I knew how to post the pic.

26 Gus  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:40:26pm

re: #25 Pvt Bin Jammin

LOL I wish I knew how to post the pic.

[Link: www.imageshack.us...]

Try that.

27 gmsc  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:41:17pm

Evening, fellow lizards!

I hope everyone had a great July 4th.

28 GGMac  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:41:51pm

re: #14 blackpajamas

___ The Shaming Of Crooks ___

B. A. Pajamas

The Shaming of Crooks is a difficult matter,
It isn't just one of your Tea Party games;
You may think at first this is mere blogger chatter
When I tell you, such crooks just CAN NOT PERCEIVE SHAME.
Ghastly instinctive rituals shrug off their shame plainly,
By Barney, Nancy, Harry or Al Franken-stain,
With their Earmarks and Corruption, Pork N' Bills Daily--
Self absolved laughably silent of blame.
Then there are deeper shames unfit for all leaders,
Such as with fat Baboons, dollar stuffed and lame:
Such as Hubris, Cowardice, Avarice, Defeatism--
Inexcusably snuffing out the economy's flame.
But I tell you, a crook needs no shame for hiking taxes,
Even if they promised not to raise them, and then lied,
Else how can they keep their heads up their asses,
Or cough up confession, and vomit their pride?
Of knaves of this kind, We can give you a quorum,
Such as Kennedy, Waxman, loons like Pelosi,
Such as all Corruptocrats or Benedict Arlen-
Their profits shame enough to fill several books.
But above and beyond there's one shame left over,
And it's hidden by the shame you'll never guess;
The shame that no climate research can discover--
But THE CROOK HIMSELF KNOWS, and will never confess.
When you notice the Crook in profound meditation,
The reason, I tell you, is always the same:
His mind is engaged in a rapt contemplation
Of the thought, of the thought, of the thought of his name:
His ineffable effable
Effanineffable
Historically feeble singular Name.

(As opposed to the interests of his Banana Republic)


You are brilliant - as well as talented. This is outstanding.

29 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:41:56pm

Hiya lizards...hope veryone had a good 4th!

30 laZardo  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:43:45pm

re: #17 Pvt Bin Jammin

Replied in #213 in the last thread. You can use the "Save As..." on the picture to save it to your hard drive, then upload it to imagehosting sites like ImageShack, and give the resulting link here.

31 Gus  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:44:55pm

re: #27 gmsc

Evening, fellow lizards!

I hope everyone had a great July 4th.

Slept off the afternoon and went food shopping. Saw some fireworks yesterday from my window. Cool and damp day in Cow Town. How goes Vegas?

32 gmsc  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:45:06pm

For those who don't already know, the past 2 nights, we've been counting down the 100 best 20th-century music videos, starting from 100. We've been doing 10 a night, and here's a recap of the first 20:

100 - Green Day, Basket Case
99 - DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, Parents Just Don't Understand
98 - REM, Everybody Hurts
97 - Human League, Don't You Want Me
96 - The Replacements, Bastards of Young
95 - George Michael, Faith
94 - Wyclef Jean, Gone 'Til November
93 - U2, Sunday Bloody Sunday
92 - LL Cool J, Going Back to Cali
91 - Prince and the Revolution, 1999
90 - Lenny Kravitz, Are You Gonna Go My Way
89 - They Might Be Giants, Don't Let's Start
88 - Janet Jackson, Love Will Never Do (Without You)
87 - The Prodigy, Firestarter
86 - Billy Idol, Cradle of Love
85 - Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Don't Come Around Here No More
84 - Method Man & Mary J. Blige, 84-I'll Be There For You / You're All I Need To Get By
83 - Godley & Creme, Cry
82 - Def Leppard, Pour Some Sugar on Me
81 - Twisted Sister, We're Not Gonna Take It

Tonight's collection is a little weird, a little funny, and sometimes even pointless. Yet, strangely, Michael Jackson isn't anywhere among these 10.

#80? It's unfortunately unembeddable, but nonetheless, it's The Cure, singing Close to Me.

33 Gus  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:45:56pm
34 gmsc  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:46:42pm

re: #31 Gus 802

Slept off the afternoon and went food shopping. Saw some fireworks yesterday from my window. Cool and damp day in Cow Town. How goes Vegas?

Great! Lots o' fireworks on and off the Strip! Some are still going.

They even closed part of the strip for Steve Wyrick's big routine. He's the magician at the Planet Hollywood.

35 Macker  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:48:06pm

re: #34 gmsc

Great! Lots o' fireworks on and off the Strip! Some are still going.

They even closed part of the strip for Steve Wyrick's big routine. He's the magician at the Planet Hollywood.

Dang it! I was in Lake Havasu City today...

36 laZardo  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:48:16pm

re: #32 gmsc

83 - Godley & Creme, Cry

You mean 10cc?

37 Gus  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:49:02pm

re: #34 gmsc

Great! Lots o' fireworks on and off the Strip! Some are still going.

They even closed part of the strip for Steve Wyrick's big routine. He's the magician at the Planet Hollywood.

Sounds nice. I know a blackjack dealer that works at the Hard Rock. Haven't talked to him in ages.

38 gmsc  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:49:08pm

Our first embeddable video of the evening comes to us from Fiona Apple. Criminal, at #79!

39 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:49:16pm

re: #26 Gus 802

[Link: www.imageshack.us...]

Try that.

I'm still trying for it. No guarantees. LOL

40 gmsc  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:50:21pm

re: #35 Macker

Dang it! I was in Lake Havasu City today...

Did you see the London Bridge?
re: #36 laZardo

You mean 10cc?

That's funny - I hadn't seen that trailer before.

41 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:51:05pm

re: #30 laZardo

Still loading to the image shack.

42 Gus  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:51:22pm

re: #39 Pvt Bin Jammin

I'm still trying for it. No guarantees. LOL

Shouldn't be too hard. Just don't lose the final link.

43 gmsc  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:51:48pm

#78 is Adam Ant's "Goody Two Shoes":

44 Floral Giraffe  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:52:13pm

re: #34 gmsc

I said "goodnight" earlier, but DANG, I'm still lurking!
Hope you had a nice Independence Day?
Now I'm REALLY going to bed!
See you later!

45 Macker  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:52:28pm

re: #40 gmsc

I managed to drive across it, but parking and the view from the side absolutely SUCKED today. Maybe the Lady E and I can visit later on.

46 Gus  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:52:46pm

re: #44 Floral Giraffe

I said "goodnight" earlier, but DANG, I'm still lurking!
Hope you had a nice Independence Day?
Now I'm REALLY going to bed!
See you later!

Happy 5th of July Floral Giraffe!

47 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:52:48pm

re: #44 Floral Giraffe

Nite. Hope you had a great day.

48 AmeriDan  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:53:09pm

re: #40 gmsc

Did you see the London Bridge?

I thought that bridge had fallen down?

/ / /

49 gmsc  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:53:23pm

re: #44 Floral Giraffe

I said "goodnight" earlier, but DANG, I'm still lurking!
Hope you had a nice Independence Day?
Now I'm REALLY going to bed!
See you later!

I had to work today, but I couldn't drive home in any direction without seeing fireworks, so that was cool.

Good night, Floral Giraffe!

50 gmsc  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:54:40pm

Radiohead's Fake Plastic Trees comes in at #77:

51 Floral Giraffe  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:54:46pm

Grumbles, but, ALL my favorite Lizards are late nighters!
Grumbles, but gotta go to bed.
Or tomorrow isn't fun.
Later, Later Lizardia!

52 laZardo  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:55:18pm

re: #40 gmsc

It's for the PC version that many complained was broken in the weeks after its release. I'm saving up to upgrade the desktop downstairs (a local store has a pretty cheap upgrade promo) because it requires Shader Model 3.0, and the best computer in the house so far - my laptop - only has SM2.0.

As for the game itself, I actually got an original copy at a convenience store promo for about US$7 for getting a copy of FHM and a food magazine from the contest organizers. Huh.

53 gmsc  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:55:18pm

re: #51 Floral Giraffe

Grumbles, but, ALL my favorite Lizards are late nighters!
Grumbles, but gotta go to bed.
Or tomorrow isn't fun.
Later, Later Lizardia!

:)

Do it. We'll be here on many a late night.

54 ShanghaiEd  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:56:17pm

This just in...amazingly, the truth behind Sarah Palin's resignation has been just under our noses all along. As this poster from Red State explains:

… There is a hearing on July 13 on the Birth Certificate. If he is found to not be eligible to be President, he get’s thrown out of office and everything he has done is undone. Who gets the Oval Office? By law, it’s John McCain and Sarah Palin.

That's OK, no need to thank me...

55 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:56:45pm

Lizards, I don't think this image hosting thing is ever going to work. It just goes on and on and never loads.

56 gmsc  Sat, Jul 4, 2009 11:58:07pm

#76 is the only other non-embeddable video on the list tonight. However, I'll best most of you can sing it as soon as I mention the name.

It's "Whip It" by Devo!

(More videos after today's history lesson!)

57 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:00:00am

Today in History, July 5th:
Click here for History Channel's July 5th video.

Highlights of this day in history: Salvation Army was founded. In his first studio session, Elvis Presley records, "That's All Right". Arthur Ashe becomes the first black man to win the Wimbledon singles title. French designer Louis Reard unveils his newest creation, a two-piece swimsuit known as the Bikini.

Other notable July 5th events include:

1687 – Isaac Newton publishes Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica.

1935 – The National Labor Relations Act, which governs labor relations in the United States, is signed into law by President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

1937 – Spam, the luncheon meat, is introduced into the market by the Hormel Foods Corporation.

1954 – The BBC broadcasts its first television news bulletin.

1996 – Dolly the sheep becomes the first mammal cloned from an adult cell.

59 garden18  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:00:20am

I know that every good and excellent thing in the world stands moment by moment on the razor-edge of danger and must be fought for.
— Thornton Wilder
A related sentiment:
Someone who has nothing to die for has nothing to live for either.

60 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:00:42am

IMO if the list of best videos doesn't include this:


then it's not a list of the best videos.
61 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:00:56am

Went flying today with a friend of mine. His plane is a 1978 Grumman Lynx with a 150 hp engine upgrade. This thing has more history than a human services doctoral coed. A student pilot crashed it when it was just 5 months old, tried to go around with full flaps and ran into some weeds. It was fixed and was later converted to the bigger engine. My friend bought it a few years ago mainly because he takes aerial pictures professionally and the Lynx has a sliding canopy: He can open the canopy in flight and not have to shoot through plexiglass. The main drawback is that the wing is very small (96 sq. ft. vs 175 for a Cessna 172) and the engine has added some extra weight along with the extra power. It is hard to get the doodlebug off the ground in a reasonable length of runway, especially on a broiling hot west Texas afternoon. Of course, I consider "reasonable" to be anything less than 40% of the total length, since I am an old pilot and therefore not a bold one. If I can see individual weeds directly in front of me, they are too damned close.
It was great, though, to climb out of the cauldron to about 10,000 feet and open the canopy, like turning on God's own air conditioner. The wind noise is not bad at all, even close to the 170 mph redline (the airspeed in marked in mph rather than knots, btw, another oddity, for me at least).

62 garden18  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:02:39am

Just to keep everything in proper perspective:

It (4th of July) ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.
--John Adams

63 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:02:59am

re: #61 Shiplord Kirel

Awesome.

64 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:05:16am

#75 comes from the Album Fear of a Black Planet. It's Public Enemy's Fight the Power:

65 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:06:19am

G'nite, lizards. I couldn't ever get that image shack thing to work. Maybe another day. Hope you all had a wonderful Independence Day. Can't help thinking that the Iranians need a day like this real soon.

Take care, all.

66 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:07:04am

re: #65 Pvt Bin Jammin

G'nite, lizards. I couldn't ever get that image shack thing to work. Maybe another day. Hope you all had a wonderful Independence Day. Can't help thinking that the Iranians need a day like this real soon.

Take care, all.

Later PBJ. Sorry it didn't work.

67 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:07:25am

#74 was released under one title, but everybody knows it by a different title.

If you mention the song "Gonna Make You Sweat", many people might not know what you're talking about. However, when you call it "Everybody Dance Now", you'll get more looks of recognition.

68 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:07:36am

re: #66 Gus 802

I am probably just lame. LOL

69 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:07:38am

re: #65 Pvt Bin Jammin

G'nite, lizards. I couldn't ever get that image shack thing to work. Maybe another day. Hope you all had a wonderful Independence Day. Can't help thinking that the Iranians need a day like this real soon.

Take care, all.

G'Nite, PBJ!

70 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:08:29am

re: #68 Pvt Bin Jammin

I am probably just lame. LOL

It happens from time to time with all of us. ;)

71 AmeriDan  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:08:52am

re: #61 Shiplord Kirel

The main drawback is that the wing is very small

Wing envy?

/ / / /

72 Fierce Guppy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:08:58am

Yesssirree bob. Some more distinctly American music for this auspicious day.

Works without hiccups in IE.

Tony.

73 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:09:04am
74 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:09:33am

re: #64 gmsc

Row row, fight the pow-ah!

75 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:09:53am

#73 is a product of the short-lived '80s boom in getting artists together for a cause. It can be corny, or you can be touched by it, but it was among the better charity efforts of the day.

Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas

76 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:11:04am

re: #73 Gus 802

I have to stay up just to listen to that.

77 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:11:08am

re: #74 laZardo

Row row, fight the pow-ah!


[Video]

That looks like the same animator of "Everyone else has had more sex than me".

78 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:11:34am

re: #72 Fierce Guppy

Yesssirree bob. Some more distinctly American music for this auspicious day.

Works without hiccups in IE.

Tony.

That's pretty cool!

79 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:12:33am

The Chemical Brothers' "Setting Sun" helps wind things down at #72:

(Oh, are you gonna hate me for posting #71!)

80 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:12:46am

re: #72 Fierce Guppy

Yesssirree bob. Some more distinctly American music for this auspicious day.

Works without hiccups in IE.

Tony.

July 5th?
;)

81 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:13:24am

re: #76 Pvt Bin Jammin

I have to stay up just to listen to that.

Beautiful isn't it?

82 BatGuano  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:14:51am

re: #62 garden18

He was referring to the 2nd of July.

The Second Day of July 1776, will be the most memorable Epocha, in the History of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated, by succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by solemn Acts of Devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with Pomp and Parade, with Shews, Games, Sports, Guns, Bells, Bonfires and Illuminations from one End of this Continent to the other from this Time forward forever more. You will think me transported with Enthusiasm but I am not. I am well aware of the Toil and Blood and Treasure, that it will cost Us to maintain this Declaration, and support and defend these States. Yet through all the Gloom I can see the Rays of ravishing Light and Glory. I can see that the End is more than worth all the Means. And that Posterity will tryumph in that Days Transaction, even altho We should rue it, which I trust in God We shall not. (The Book of Abigail and John: Selected Letters of the Adams Family, 1762-1784, Harvard University Press, 1975, 142).

83 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:16:10am

I won't mention the title of #71, so that more of you will at least have to peek to see what it is.

Hint: It's an "earworm" – one of those songs you can't stop from running over and over again through your head when you think about it.

Stay tuned tomorrow for 70 through 61!

84 Rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:17:27am

re: #83 gmsc
All the warnings almost make me glad no video's from work :P.

85 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:17:56am

re: #81 Gus 802

Beautiful isn't it?

Indeed!

G'nite. Some folks are still shooting off some big fireworks in the neighborhood and my youngest dog is pretty nervous. Catch all of you tomorrow.

86 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:18:08am

re: #75 gmsc

If ya wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make a...

/suddenly punched in the face

87 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:19:40am

re: #85 Pvt Bin Jammin

Indeed!

G'nite. Some folks are still shooting off some big fireworks in the neighborhood and my youngest dog is pretty nervous. Catch all of you tomorrow.

Have a good one. Very quiet here in Denver oddly enough. Night.

88 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:20:04am

re: #86 laZardo

If ya wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make a...

/suddenly punched in the face

Hey, I was trying to stay away from Michael Jackson tonight.

89 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:20:29am

Here's a great one if you are able to watch videos in the Windows Media format:

[Link: www.transbuddha.com...]

90 BatGuano  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:20:55am

re: #83 gmsc

An ear worm like "yellow bird" you have haunted me with? The steel drum version that afflicts me? Mocks me? Affords me no peace? Bastard!

91 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:22:50am

re: #86 laZardo

If ya wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make a...

/suddenly punched in the face

Best multi-star charity video of all-time?
;)

92 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:23:09am

re: #88 gmsc

I know, but they played Man In The Mirror on one of the music network's "tribute runs" and they had footage of those famous 80s aid concerts.

93 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:24:13am

re: #90 BatGuano

An ear worm like "yellow bird" you have haunted me with? The steel drum version that afflicts me? Mocks me? Affords me no peace? Bastard!

Yep!

94 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:25:11am

Oh this is good. BBC News is saying "Honduras punished for ousting leader" by way of the OAS. Yet they fail to mention that Honduras quit the OAS beforehand.

Of course BBC News is too cowardly to mention any word of punishing Iran. Probably because there has been no official "punishment" of Iran for their regimes actions during the previous election which included the murder of civilians.

The world is still upside down.

95 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:25:38am

re: #91 gmsc

Pretty much. (;

96 Fierce Guppy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:27:06am

re: #80 gmsc

Trust me to walk off the pier and miss the boat by inches.

Tony.

97 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:27:06am

re: #85 Pvt Bin Jammin

Indeed!

G'nite. Some folks are still shooting off some big fireworks in the neighborhood and my youngest dog is pretty nervous. Catch all of you tomorrow.

You can give a dog melatonin for that, if you have some on hand. A 3mg dose is correct for most dogs, unless they're really small. Both of my dogs (one in the 30-40 lb range, the other weights in the 70-80 lb range) would take the same dose.

(I found out about it online, and asked my vet about it.)

98 BatGuano  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:27:11am

re: #93 gmsc

Yep!

Ok!

99 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:27:51am

There's No Such Thing as Free Health Care
The costly truth about Canada's health care system

John Stossel %P% July 2, 2009

President Obama says government will make health care cheaper and better. But there's no free lunch.

In England, health care is "free"—as long as you don't mind waiting. People wait so long for dentist appointments that some pull their own teeth. At any one time, half a million people are waiting to get into a British hospital. A British paper reports that one hospital tried to save money by not changing bedsheets. Instead of washing sheets, the staff was encouraged to just turn them over...

100 Syrah  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:30:59am

Smoke obscures the moon.

Smoke all around.

That peppery smell of fireworks is everywhere.

Some fireworks still going off. Not much, less and less hour by hour. Still, it will go on till the very early hours.

101 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:33:01am

re: #100 Syrah

Smoke obscures the moon.

Smoke all around.

That peppery smell of fireworks is everywhere.

Some fireworks still going off. Not much, less and less hour by hour. Still, it will go on till the very early hours.

Beautiful thoughts.

/Worst haiku I've ever read

102 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:33:45am

Turning Japanese!

Is the US creating its own "Lost Decade?"

It wasn't that long ago that everyone in America believed that Japan would soon overtake the United States as the dominant economic force on the planet. When the Japanese stock market rallied to historic heights in late 1989 and Japanese investors even bought Rockefeller Center in New York, it all seemed like a done deal.

But then...the Nikkei Index tanked, the nation's economy collapsed, the government responded with an ever-changing mix of tax hike and tax cuts, stimulus spending on infrastructure, massive bailouts of businesses, and more. None of it worked and Japan entered what's been called its "Lost Decade," a seemingly endless period of economic stagnation...

It's got Timothy Geithner! Barack Obama! Hank Paulson! And more!

103 Syrah  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:34:23am

re: #101 gmsc

Beautiful thoughts.

/Worst haiku I've ever read

Haiku has rules.

I think I broke everyone of them.

104 BatGuano  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:35:24am

re: #103 Syrah

Haiku has rules.

I think I broke everyone of them.

Rules were made to be broken. That is how we progress.

105 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:35:33am

re: #102 Gus 802

You really think so? C;

/no sex, no drugs, no wine, no women, no fun, no sin, no you, no wonder it's dark...

106 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:35:56am

Everything Is On the Table - Your Taxes Are Going Up

Posted on June 30, 2009, 12:00am %P% Dan Hayes

Hang on folks.

"Everything is on the table."

107 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:36:58am

re: #102 Gus 802


It's got Timothy Geithner! Barack Obama! Hank Paulson! And more!

Barney Frank! George Soros!

108 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:38:07am

re: #107 Abu Al-Poopypants

Barney Frank! George Soros!

Chris Dodd, Harry Reid, etc.

You ever the feeling that you're about to get the cattle prong?

//

109 freetoken  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:38:39am

re: #102 Gus 802

Turning Japanese!

Is the US creating its own "Lost Decade?"

Given the fundamental demographic differences between Japan and the US, my answer would be, No.

I noticed that the Reason video ignores important social/demographic issues between the two nations.

110 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:39:23am

re: #109 freetoken

Given the fundamental demographic differences between Japan and the US, my answer would be, No.

I noticed that the Reason video ignores important social/demographic issues between the two nations.

I congratulate you on your optimism.

111 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:40:34am

re: #109 freetoken

That and it's not raining men on Wall Street.

Yet?

/hallelujah!

112 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:41:26am

The main difference is that in Japan it was only a decade.

113 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:44:38am

re: #112 Abu Al-Poopypants

The main difference is that in Japan it was only a decade.

Yep. I think we hit "pay dirt" with the Democrat Party stimulus. We might get a century.

114 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:46:00am

re: #111 laZardo

That and it's not raining men on Wall Street.

Yet?

/hallelujah!

"Ooooh . . . Ancient Wall Street . . ."

115 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:47:09am

re: #114 gmsc

"Ooooh . . . Ancient Wall Street . . ."

Is that a Tea Party video?

//

116 BatGuano  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:47:46am

re: #106 Gus 802

The libs love to raise taxes. The msm supports them. No lib advocates reducing expenditure,

117 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:50:37am

re: #116 BatGuano

The libs love to raise taxes. The msm supports them. No lib advocates reducing expenditure,

Correct. Never.

I'm thinking it will amount to another five-thousand dollars per individual. Then expect long lines.

118 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:53:18am

re: #115 Gus 802

Is that a Tea Party video?

//

If it were, it wouldn't include Al Sharpton.
;)

119 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:55:57am

re: #118 gmsc

If it were, it wouldn't include Al Sharpton.
;)

My fault. Failed attempt at sarcasm. Although a forced acceptance of Al Sharpton might be par for the course these days. If you know what I mean.

120 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:57:43am

re: #119 Gus 802

My fault. Failed attempt at sarcasm. Although a forced acceptance of Al Sharpton might be par for the course these days. If you know what I mean.

That's Wright.

121 BatGuano  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:58:08am

Crazy earworm.
Bite me, gmsc!

122 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:58:54am

re: #120 gmsc

That's Wright.

No less. Are we ALLOWED to mention him?

123 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:00:10am

re: #121 BatGuano

Crazy earworm.
Bite me, gmsc!


[Video]

Oh yeah? Take this!

124 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:00:43am

Last week, the History Channel had a special on America's crumbling inrastructure that seemed to almost be designed to drum up support for the stimulus bill this spring...except it aired well after it had passed.

It was actually pretty sobering, highlighting the sorry state or various bridges from rural Idaho to the Tappan Zee bridge that carries the NY State Thruway across the Hudson from NYC to Albany, Syracuse, Buffalo or Montreal...

Perhaps the scariest thing is that these bridges, pipelines and levees shown will continue to deteriorate while ACORN gets few more billion to community organize.

125 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:00:46am

re: #120 gmsc

That's Wright.

I thought it was all Nor Laup's fault?

Ad nauseum.

126 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:06:22am

Sorta on-currently-discussed topic...

I really don't see how allowing damaged firms to fail is a part of revitalizing the economy. If anything it means even more people put out of employment (and unable to get re-employed) and quite possibly their homes as well.

127 Gus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:09:08am

Anyone that thinks ACORN is harmless is naive.

Good night.

128 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:10:14am

re: #127 Gus 802

Good night.

Good night, Gus!

129 Abu Al-Poopypants  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:11:07am
130 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:17:21am

Chris Rea The Road to Hell Full version. Fits more than one topic here.

131 BatGuano  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:17:34am

re: #129 Abu Al-Poopypants

Here is the translation:

ttp

132 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:18:14am

re: #127 Gus 802

Anybody who honestly thinks ACORN is entitled to any stimulus/bailout money is a threat to themselves and others.

133 BatGuano  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:18:35am

re: #131 BatGuano

re: #131 BatGuano

Sorry. no worky.

134 BatGuano  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:21:05am

re: #133 BatGuano
Try this.

135 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:21:05am

While we're on the topic of Japan here, this sounds vaguely post-apocalyptic for some reason.

/and yes, there is indeed such a city in Japan.

136 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:28:00am
137 pegcity  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:28:44am

need a favor from some fellow lizards could you guys and gals take a second and click on these craigslist links and flag then ads spam/overpost

i deleted the erase links and want the ads removed. thanks so much, i can only flag them once myself

1

2

3

138 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:30:45am

re: #137 pegcity

need a favor from some fellow lizards could you guys and gals take a second and click on these craigslist links and flag then ads spam/overpost

i deleted the erase links and want the ads removed. thanks so much, i can only flag them once myself

1

2

3

Done.

139 pegcity  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:31:18am

re: #138 gmsc

thank you

140 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:31:55am

re: #137 pegcity

need a favor from some fellow lizards could you guys and gals take a second and click on these craigslist links and flag then ads spam/overpost

i deleted the erase links and want the ads removed. thanks so much, i can only flag them once myself

1

2

3

Done here too!

141 freetoken  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:32:44am

re: #135 laZardo

Before the election (and after), the residents of Obama City (小浜市) tried to increase the visibility of their city by sending gifts to President Obama. I'm sure if he ever visits Japan that the mayor will petition for a delegation to meet the President.

142 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:37:11am

They've been out of the limelight for decades . . . forgotten . . . left behind . . . unloved, and living in unimaginable conditions, that you can't imagine.

NOW, the retirement is over . . .

143 BatGuano  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:46:27am

Goodnight, all. Sorry I can't stay for fruit cup.

144 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:46:57am

Anybody?

Here's more '80s sci-fi goodness until somebody else posts back . . .

145 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:47:30am

re: #143 BatGuano

Goodnight, all. Sorry I can't stay for fruit cup.

Littleoldlady, at this point, would say, "NOBODY MOVE!"

146 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:47:55am

re: #143 BatGuano

Goodnight, all. Sorry I can't stay for fruit cup.

G'Nite Bat Guano!

147 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:49:03am

NOBODY MOVE!

148 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:50:07am

re: #144 gmsc

I am probably the only person I know that doesn't think of David Bowie whenever "Major Tom" is mentioned.

149 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:51:21am

re: #147 littleoldlady

NOBODY MOVE!

Howdy, littleoldlday!

150 yochanan  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:52:16am

re: #147 littleoldlady

yes boss
lol

151 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:53:13am

gmsc! :-)

152 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:53:29am

yochanan! :-)

153 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:55:44am

Littleoldlady, imagine this: A dance troupe of 200 dancers in Antwerp, Belgium, is putting on a production but they're having trouble finding someone to play the lead. How to solve the problem and promote the show at the same time?

Give an impromptu performance of the numbers in the Central Station of Antwerp.

After only 2 rehearsals, below is the very creative result, which happened on March 23, 2009.

The production they were promoting? The Sound of Music!

154 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:56:34am

re: #148 laZardo

I am probably the only person I know that doesn't think of David Bowie whenever "Major Tom" is mentioned.

Youtube Video

Ok, I can't watch the video @ work, but is it a cartoon?

155 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:59:05am

re: #154 srb1976

It's Peter Schilling's "Major Tom (Coming Home)", one of the better songs of the decade.

156 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:59:59am

Wait for it...

157 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:00:02am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

158 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:01:18am

re: #157 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Ti - a drink with jam and fruitcup!
;)

159 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:01:18am

re: #155 laZardo

It's Peter Schilling's "Major Tom (Coming Home)", one of the better songs of the decade.

Ahhh... Thanks, will have to check it out when I get home = )

160 Bloodnok  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:01:24am

re: #157 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thank you LOL! So nice to see you!

161 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:02:28am

re: #153 gmsc

FUN STUFF!

162 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:03:11am

Bloodnok! :-)

Good morning! :-)

/morning where you are?

163 Bloodnok  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:03:58am

re: #162 littleoldlady

Bloodnok! :-)

Good morning! :-)

/morning where you are?

Eastern Standard here. Morning it is.

164 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:04:05am

Thanks, {littleoldlady}. You're the best.

165 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:05:17am

re: #163 Bloodnok

Ah. We're neighbors. ;-)

166 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:06:14am

Sharmuta! :-)

No, YOU'RE the best!

/I may have been once upon a time, but I ...you know...got old

;-)

167 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:07:08am

Aww -- I love you, lol.

168 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:09:44am

re: #167 Sharmuta

Thanks. I's not easy [sob!] being green me. ;-)

{Sharmuta!

169 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:10:08am

Why do my hug brackets keep disappearing?

170 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:10:25am

re: #157 littleoldlady

FRRRUUUITCUUUP

/ C:

171 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:11:43am

Oh. Maybe I forgot to type it...like certain "t"s... :-/

It's {Sharmuta!

Nope. The end hug bracket disappears...

/grrr

172 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:12:08am

re: #170 laZardo

laZaaardo! :-)

173 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:12:11am

re: #168 littleoldlady

Thanks. I's not easy [sob!] being green me. ;-)

{Sharmuta!

One of my favorite ads from Apple was the one for their Sage iMac, back in 2000:

174 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:13:22am

re: #169 littleoldlady

Half a hug from you is worth more than full hugs from others.

175 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:13:46am

re: #173 gmsc

Always great ads from Apple.

176 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:15:23am

re: #174 Sharmuta

Half a hug from you is worth more than full hugs from others.

Littleoldlady is the quiet type, she doesn't seem to do anything, but she always has a surprisingly powerful effect!

She's sort of like "silent E" - a little hug becomes huge instantly . . .

177 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:15:52am

re: #174 Sharmuta

Golly! Hanging out with you is WAY more fun than spending time with my family!

/basking in the glow
//beats the heck out of getting flack for the bar-be-qued chicken

;-)

178 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:17:56am

I thought it was because littleoldlady was hoarding all the hug brackets like an elitist and thanks to the Obama administration is now required to spread them around with the disadvantaged.

/ :-}

179 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:18:16am

gmsc! :-)

You are extraordinarily entertaining this morning!

/I mean...you know...even more than usual ;-)

180 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:18:29am

re: #177 littleoldlady

Stick with me, Toots, and we'll have fun. ;)

181 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:19:21am

re: #179 littleoldlady

gmsc! :-)

You are extraordinarily entertaining this morning!

/I mean...you know...even more than usual ;-)

I guess I just had a good day yesterday.

Besides, you're inspiring.
:)

182 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:23:06am

re: #178 laZardo

Maybe if I put the exclamation point in the inside...

{Sharmuta}

WOULD YOU BELIEVE! Now the exclamation point disappears!

/Langoliers!

183 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:23:55am

re: #181 gmsc

Here's hoping my inspirationalism rubs off on me. ;-)

184 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:25:17am

Looks like a nice storm rolling in...
Rain and wind picking up YAY!
It's been hot and nasty all night

185 rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:25:21am

re: #182 littleoldlady

{LOL! }

186 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:25:32am

re: #180 Sharmuta

TERR-IF! ;-)

187 rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:26:36am

re: #186 littleoldlady
Tarriff why you gotta bring the convo back to Nobama?

188 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:27:07am

{rustler! }

Space? Well, okay.

/that's new
//my style is cramped! ;-)

{rustler} !

189 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:28:58am

re: #187 rustler

Tarriff why you gotta bring the convo back to Nobama?

Are you hoping for change?
;)

190 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:35:25am

re: #189 gmsc

Are you hoping for change?
;)

I don't know about anyone else, but I always Hope for dollars, and settle for Change = )

191 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:36:02am

So, did Little Man get into the fireworks this year?

192 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:37:13am

re: #190 srb1976

I can believe that!

193 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:37:35am

FYI...years ago there was a huge blog-war here on LGF about...HUGS.

/I kid you not!

It went on for days with the HUGGERS getting seriously beat up by the ANTI-HUGGERS. Right then and there I realized that my delicate ego could not survive such a hit, so I stopped hugging altogether.

Just so you know...I love all youse guyz!
:-)
= { } !

/meanwhile, a few of the ANTI-HUGGERS converted to HUGGERS after that
//they do these things just to confuse me...

;-)

194 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:38:10am

re: #191 gmsc

I won't know til later...better wasn't sure if he was feeling up to taking the munchkins out for fireworks tonight...he was enjoying the niehbors when I called earlier though = )

195 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:39:41am

re: #193 littleoldlady

Huggerlover.

/burning large wooden brackets and parentheses on yer front yard right now!

// C:

196 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:39:45am

re: #194 srb1976

I won't know til later...better wasn't sure if he was feeling up to taking the munchkins out for fireworks tonight...he was enjoying the niehbors when I called earlier though = )

Better Half...ack

PIMF

197 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:43:56am

re: #195 laZardo

Can you do some weeding while you are there?

/what a mess!

;-)

198 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:46:31am

re: #197 littleoldlady

Can you do some weeding while you are there?

/what a mess!

;-)

I don't think he's allowed to marry people.

/Oh...wait...weeding
//Never mind

199 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:48:41am

I thought he was the Reverend laZardo...?

/...or was that irreverent?

;-)

200 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:52:03am

1 more hour til quittin' time...and tomorrow (Sunday night) is my friday...Yay!

201 gmsc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:54:53am

re: #200 srb1976

1 more hour til quittin' time...and tomorrow (Sunday night) is my friday...Yay!

Have fun . . . I'm already slowin' down myself.

Good night, all!

202 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:54:54am

re: #198 gmsc

Well, I would if those uppity conservatives didn't keep hating on our lifestyle and putting us down!

/ q;

203 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:59:59am

'Night, gmsc! :-)

/guess it's time to go inspire myself
//and those of you with dirty minds can remain silent, thankyewverymuch!

Good day, ALL!™

204 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:07:44am

re: #203 littleoldlady

I think I just lost my fruitcup.

/ D8

205 ggt  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:16:36am

Good Morning Lizards! How's things under the fruitcup?

206 ggt  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:25:33am

GI Bill alive and well.

"Jason Davis, 28, enlisted in the Army only a couple of weeks after Sept. 11 after dropping out of high school and facing minimum-wage jobs. Davis deployed twice to Iraq with the 101st Airborne Division, and then was stop-lossed, a military practice of holding troops beyond their enlistment dates. He spent another 18 months after that in the California National Guard."

207 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:27:09am

Hola Nite Lizards.

Got back from a fireworks show, perfect weather and wind. About 2 minutes before the shoot, the wind started blowing back on shore. We blew about 20 shells before the Fire Dept made us stop. Couldn't finish. If we started 15 minutes earlier there would not have been a problem.

It stinks cuz we have to carefully pack all that stuff back up, as opposed to just picking up the trash.

Is Michael Jackson still dead?

208 ggt  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:30:47am
209 ggt  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:31:20am

re: #207 BigPapa

Hola Nite Lizards.

Got back from a fireworks show, perfect weather and wind. About 2 minutes before the shoot, the wind started blowing back on shore. We blew about 20 shells before the Fire Dept made us stop. Couldn't finish. If we started 15 minutes earlier there would not have been a problem.

It stinks cuz we have to carefully pack all that stuff back up, as opposed to just picking up the trash.

Is Michael Jackson still dead?

I think it's just u and me here. As far as I know, MJ is still dead.

210 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:31:38am

re: #207 BigPapa

Michael's not dead, he just went home.

/MIB was a cool movie.

211 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:33:48am

re: #209 ggt

I think it's just u and me here. As far as I know, MJ is still dead.

Y'all don't quite have the place to yourselves just yet = )

212 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:37:46am

I hate it when this happens. Dead tired, about to go to sleep and then 2 minutes later... wide awake. Stealth insomnia.

I hope everyone had a Happy Independence Day.

Wang Chi - "Here's to the Army and Navy and the battles they have won. Here's to America's colors, the colors that never run!"

Jack Burton - "May the Wings of Liberty never lose a feather."

213 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:38:13am

And now for a funny Photoshopped picture:

Ayatollah Khonneri.

214 ggt  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:41:12am
215 rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:42:46am

re: #189 gmsc
Nah I have a couple quarters in my pocket :P

216 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:46:45am

Determined to change the way the world views the United States

Obama's trip: A mission to reshape US image

217 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:52:04am

re: #216 BigPapa

"Four years ago, 51 million Americans were diagnosed with stupidity. Thanks to the policies of the previous administration, that number grew to almost 60 million, but I stand here today to tell you that those numbers were thankfully less less than the number of Americans that were competent enough to truly care about the future of our nation and its relationships with the world."

/obscure European magazine cover reference

218 ggt  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:55:08am

Been browsing the Links. You know, Charles had a good idea in creating them. Good Stuff posted by Lizards!

219 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:57:03am

re: #216 BigPapa

Determined to change the way the world views the United States

Obama's trip: A mission to reshape US image

Fuck him and his image.

220 whiterasta  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:59:28am

Good morning, all. What's the latest in the Michael Jackson grief-porn watch?

Is he still dead?

221 ggt  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:05:43am

The Sears Tower people have installed a glass balcony at the top. . My link is a link to Noam's link. Click the actual article and look at the picture.

While visiting Toronto my family paid to to to the top of the CN Tower. Part of the floor is glass. My feet unconsciously walked on the grid supporting the glass. It was wierd how I couldn't seen to walk on the glass itself.

222 ggt  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:06:06am

re: #219 TheMatrix31

Fuck him and his image.

It's all about him.

223 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:13:12am

You can meet some strange MFers at a family reunion.

/are you really related to me ?

224 ggt  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:21:28am
225 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:22:21am

Good Morning LGF.

226 eon  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:24:55am

re: #222 ggt

It's all about him.

Good morning, Lizards.

(Good morning, littleoldlady!)

Yes, He really needs to figure out that He actually won the election, and really is President. So, the campaign trips to Europe, etc., are no longer necessary- unless, of course, He anticipates changing the Constitution to allow foreign nationals to vote in the next election.

(Hmm. Maybe I shouldn't say that, it might give Him ideas.)

Or maybe His next plan is to run for President of The UN World Galaxy Universe Just Everything Forever And Ever. Unfortunately, that would not surprise me, either.

cheers

eon

227 rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:27:41am

re: #220 whiterasta Yep that's still the word.

228 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:28:15am

re: #226 eon

Good morning, Lizards.

(Good morning, littleoldlady!)

Yes, He really needs to figure out that He actually won the election, and really is President. So, the campaign trips to Europe, etc., are no longer necessary- unless, of course, He anticipates changing the Constitution to allow foreign nationals to vote in the next election.

(Hmm. Maybe I shouldn't say that, it might give Him ideas.)

Or maybe His next plan is to run for President of The UN World Galaxy Universe Just Everything Forever And Ever. Unfortunately, that would not surprise me, either.

cheers

eon

Mere President of Everything doesn't quite do Him justice.
Emperor Lord for Life would be the bare minimum required.

229 Roger  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:28:56am

re: #216 BigPapa

President Obama will be offering to do away with US nukes; what won't the Soviets like about him?

230 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:33:02am

re: #220 whiterasta

Good morning, all. What's the latest in the Michael Jackson grief-porn watch?

Is he still dead?

Getting paler by the hour.

231 eon  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:33:54am

re: #227 rustler

Yep that's still the word.

Back when half of America was repeatedly swooning over James Cameron's movie Titanic (largely due to Leo Duh, I believe), I saw a T-shirt that summed my feelings up exactly; The Ship Sank. Deal With It.

Maybe we need something similar to cope with the ongoing Jackson funeral obsequies', which are beginning to look like a cross between the Elvis version and something dreamed up by P.T. Barnum.

/Seriously, the man's dead- would it hurt his sycophants to show a little respect, and not try to make a buck off it?

cheers

eon

232 rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:34:31am

Looks like Ahmadinejad wants a meet with Obama. Sounds more to me like he wants Obama to talk with him so it can be seen as international recognition of the legitimacy of Iran's election results.

233 ggt  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:39:02am

re: #208 ggt

Bunnies?

I still don't get the bunny obsession. WTF?

234 eon  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:39:44am

re: #229 Roger

President Obama will be offering to do away with US nukes; what won't the Soviets like about him?

Mikey; They're not Communists any more, Tony. They're a federation of independent liberated states.

Tony Two Toes; Don't make me hurt you, Mikey.

-Eraser (1996)

///?

cheers

eon

235 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:43:30am

re: #233 ggt

I still don't get the bunny obsession. WTF?

Police arrested Sakewitz June 16 after she called a maintenance worker to her room in the Portland suburb of Tigard to fix a broken television set. The worker saw and smelled the rabbits, some of them hopping free.

There's your answer. She didn't know we've switched to digital and rabbit ears don't work anymore.

Certainly disturbed.

236 Roger  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:45:14am

re: #234 eon

Putin thinks "Soviet"

237 eon  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:45:40am

re: #232 rustler

Looks like Ahmadinejad wants a meet with Obama. Sounds more to me like he wants Obama to talk with him so it can be seen as international recognition of the legitimacy of Iran's election results.

And The One will be all too eager to comply- in the name of "dialogue".

I notice, he's not at all interested in a "dialogue" with the people of Honduras.

Of course, they succeeded in legally ousting a tyrant*.

(* The original Greek root word describes a dictator who gains power by "populist" methods- whether he really believes in them or not. "Demagogue" is another description of same.)

Obama seems even more entranced by "strong man" rulers than his guru, Jimmy Carter. I can't help but wonder if he's still looking for a father figure, or a role' model.

/Ten-cent psychology

cheers

eon

238 ggt  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:45:52am

re: #235 SasquatchOnSteroids

There's your answer. She didn't know we've switched to digital and rabbit ears don't work anymore.

Certainly disturbed.

ah!

239 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:46:14am

Good morning y'all.

240 ggt  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:46:23am

Have a great morning all!

241 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:48:02am

I've missed Sattv4u. Sent him an email... got an "out of the office for three weeks reply". He didn't get the stick or anything did he?

242 rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:48:51am

re: #237 eon
Speaking of Old Bunny bait history channel had a special on him last night that in the first 2 minutes had gone so far in trying to make him a hero and saint that I had to change it in disgust. That 2 minutes includes the 1.5 minute commercial break between the name of the episode and the introduction too.

243 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:49:31am

Morning Lizards.

244 rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:49:39am

re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Fluffy is back in case you hadn't noticed.

245 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:50:56am

re: #236 Roger

Putin thinks "Soviet"

In Soviet Russia, President assassinates YOU!

246 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:50:58am

Wife just came into the living room (needed some help buttoning an awkward button).

Was wearing the cutest pair of undies. (drool). Almost like shorts (not a girdle or anything). So much sexier than thongs and crap.

She's in "get ready" mode... my advances would be thwarted.

247 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:51:11am

re: #244 rustler

FLUFFY!

248 notamolly  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:52:30am

re: #226 eon

Good morning, Lizards.

(Good morning, littleoldlady!)

Yes, He really needs to figure out that He actually won the election, and really is President. So, the campaign trips to Europe, etc., are no longer necessary- unless, of course, He anticipates changing the Constitution to allow foreign nationals to vote in the next election.

(Hmm. Maybe I shouldn't say that, it might give Him ideas.)

Or maybe His next plan is to run for President of The UN World Galaxy Universe Just Everything Forever And Ever. Unfortunately, that would not surprise me, either.

cheers

eon

Barry "Kindly Call Me (deities. All of 'em)" 0bama is a classic example of Hubris. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

249 notamolly  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:54:09am

re: #235 SasquatchOnSteroids

There's your answer. She didn't know we've switched to digital and rabbit ears don't work anymore.

Certainly disturbed.

Is it a killer bunny?

250 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:55:01am

re: #224 ggt

New Zealand dumped Cap & Trade a year ago?

A lot of European nations have some form of C&T, and they've pretty much spent the last year or two laughing at it. With the economy spiraling downwards, carbon credits - basically, a measure of manufacturing production - plummeted in value and became worthless, making the "trade" part of C&T impossible. The "cap" part also became meaningless, as closed factories and reduced production reduced emissions far more drastically than any imposed restraint ever could.

That's one reason for the unseemly rush to get C&T in place Right The Fuck Now in the US. At the moment, with the economy scraping bottom, the costs - projected using current production figures - are extremely and artificially low, making the proposal look not so bad. Once the economy begins to rebound, however, the actual, full costs will blossom, making the whole system look like what it is - a disastrous brake on economic recovery, and a permanent stone around industry's neck that will force what's left of US manufacturing offshore forever, and take whatever jobs it provides along with it.

251 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:55:26am

Is the carter bunny story still flying? Will our empty suit be the next iteration in foreign policy?

252 Roger  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:56:27am

I have an Uncle who changed his name. He'd get mad whenever I'd call him by his original, "Mert did bad things" he'd say. I would internally note he would forever be "Mert".

253 Rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:57:18am

re: #249 notamolly Quick get the holy hand grenade of antioch.

...And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy." And the Lord did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats and large chu... [At this point, the friar is urged by Brother Maynard to "skip a bit, brother"]... And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it." Amen.[1]

254 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:57:24am

re: #250 SixDegrees

"It's better than having no job and no home because you've moved inland after your neighborhood became a coral reef!"

/oh yeah, they are saying that.

255 gettinby  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:58:04am

re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Re: sattv4u2, we should all hate him!

/srsly, hope he's having a wonderful time.

Good morning everyone!

256 eon  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:59:14am

re: #236 Roger

Putin thinks "Soviet"

Yep. Most people outside of the MSM have already figured out that Medvedev is little more than Putin's front man. He gets to play President as long as Putin calls the shots.

Putin is an authoritarian, pure and simple. I think he's dropped all the Marxist/Leninist BS precisely because he knows it is BS. In his mind, defined as "it made Russia weaker, not stronger." He seems to me to be moving back toward the imperial mindset. Which, incidentally, got Russia into wars with Britain and France (the Crimea), Turkey and the Balkans (Russo-Turkish War), etc., in the space of a half-century, culminating in World War One. Which, technically, Russia lost.

Afghanistan was far from the first debacle' in Russian military history. What Russia did in World War Two (essentially crushing the Wehrmacht at Stalingrad, Kursk, etc.) was an exception to the rule. And considering how it came about, it's a tribute to the soldiers on the ground that they managed it in spite of the gross incompetence of their commanders and leaders. (For every Zhukov or Konev, Russia had at least a dozen generals who should have been digging latrines instead of commanding armies.)

The bottom line being that Russian rulers, before and after 1917, have a bad habit of letting their egos write checks their army command can't cash. From what I can see, Putin hasn't learned the lesson.

I don't expect The One to explain it to him, either. Unfortunately.

cheers

eon

257 Rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:59:28am

re: #255 gettinby

Was gonna say I remembered something about a vacation but wasn't 100% it was satt.

258 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:00:52am
259 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:00:55am

re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wife just came into the living room (needed some help buttoning an awkward button).

Was wearing the cutest pair of undies. (drool). Almost like shorts (not a girdle or anything). So much sexier than thongs and crap.

She's in "get ready" mode... my advances would be thwarted.

Those butt-shorts?

Love them.

260 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:01:30am

Who the hell is Fluffy ?

261 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:02:10am

re: #260 SasquatchOnSteroids

The bunny that attacked jimmah cartuh

262 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:03:11am

re: #261 rightside

The bunny that attacked jimmah cartuh

thx.

263 Rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:03:50am

re: #261 rightside
Nuh uh Fluffy is my pet sea kitten. Scope my avatar :P.

264 Long Nics are Looonnng  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:04:35am

re: #259 TheMatrix31

Those butt-shorts?

Love them.

DROOL!

265 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:06:22am

re: #263 Rustler

somewhere, I copied your picture, and made the cat part the same grayish color as the rest of him. Don't know where it went though.

266 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:06:24am

I was at a BBQ last night, ended up talking with a school teacher. I agreed with some things he said and debated him on other things. The more he talked, the more his true colors came out. I asked him, "Are you a Ron Paul fan?" Then he went on to tell me the government brought down the towers, blah, blah, blah.

267 gettinby  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:07:46am

re: #257 Rustler

Was gonna say I remembered something about a vacation but wasn't 100% it was satt.

I just used the trusty LGF search department.

268 Rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:07:51am

re: #265 rightside Lol I was trying to photoshop in a laser eye but it wasn't working out well. Tryed to bring over and shrink one of the terminator eyes.

269 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:09:43am

re: #268 Rustler

Yeah, when you shrink stuff down too far, you lose too much detail.

270 Rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:12:10am

re: #269 rightside Yep ended up looking like crap so I scrapped it still gotta figure it out so I can give Fluffy the old Hybrid cat-shark with freaking laser beams upgrade.

271 Roger  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:12:57am

re: #256 eon

If you have the time and maybe in a contemplative mood, perusing
[Link: www.kiddofspeed.com...]
[Link: www.theserpentswall.com...]

Really makes you think. I like all of her work.

272 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:13:39am

re: #270 Rustler

I'm sure you can come up with something...may I'll play around with it too.

273 eon  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:14:09am

re: #248 notamolly

Barry "Kindly Call Me (deities. All of 'em)" 0bama is a classic example of Hubris. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

An apt description. My only quibble is the quote at the bottom. While the common saying is "pride goeth before a fall", the actual Biblical quotation is;

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

-Proverbs 16: 18

Which means that "pride" isn't a sin, per se; it's the arrogance of the spirit that's the big mistake.

Which is something The One seems to be amply supplied with. Which is not a good thing.

cheers

eon

274 gettinby  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:14:54am

re: #266 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was at a BBQ last night, ended up talking with a school teacher. I agreed with some things he said and debated him on other things. The more he talked, the more his true colors came out. I asked him, "Are you a Ron Paul fan?" Then he went on to tell me the government brought down the towers, blah, blah, blah.

It's amazing, isn't it? Now that I'm, well...old, it's easier for me to ask very direct questions of people, and my goodness if some people I've known for years don't answer with 'head-clunk-on-table' answers.

i.e., "What's wrong exactly with socialism?" (voted for The Him)
"Well, it IS just a theory you know." (evolution)
"Nah...it's been proven aliens showed them how to build the pyramids."

/srsly.

275 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:16:51am

Obambi - Crack for Cowards.

276 eon  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:17:24am

re: #271 Roger

If you have the time and maybe in a contemplative mood, perusing
[Link: www.kiddofspeed.com...]
[Link: www.theserpentswall.com...]

Really makes you think. I like all of her work.

Thanks! Both are now bookmarked.

cheers

eon

277 Rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:19:46am

re: #264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Here FBV straight from the webcam I have set up at your place :p.

278 Rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:21:11am

re: #274 gettinby
Pssh yeah but the aliens just needed new landmarks to help mark their flight plan. Mount Ararat wasn't good enough since it tool to long to get from the middle east to the mines in africa.

279 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:21:30am
280 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:23:41am

re: #279 SasquatchOnSteroids

Something is very fishy there. RIP.

281 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:23:55am

re: #278 Rustler

Pssh yeah but the aliens just needed new landmarks to help mark their flight plan. Mount Ararat wasn't good enough since it tool to long to get from the middle east to the mines in africa.

Am I listening to Coast to Coast with George Norrie?
/

282 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:24:00am

re: #254 laZardo

"It's better than having no job and no home because you've moved inland after your neighborhood became a coral reef!"

/oh yeah, they are saying that.

If they were serious about reducing carbon emissions, they would be promoting nuclear plants from coast to coast. Instead, the House version of C&T contains provisions that make construction of new nuclear plants all but impossible. Apparently, the disturbance of literally hundreds of millions of acres of habitat to make way for gigantic windfarms and solar collection facilities is acceptable, while the much, much smaller environmental footprint of a few hundreds nuclear plants is not.

Of course, the bill has nothing to do with the environment, saving it or otherwise. It is a crass, opaque mechanism for collecting additional taxes, nothing more.

283 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:25:15am

Morning again...off work and at home...the house is really quiet with everyone else sleeping (even the critters)

284 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:26:24am

re: #283 srb1976

morning srb. you worked last night?

285 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:27:21am

re: #282 SixDegrees

If they were serious about reducing carbon emissions, they would be promoting nuclear plants from coast to coast. Instead, the House version of C&T contains provisions that make construction of new nuclear plants all but impossible. Apparently, the disturbance of literally hundreds of millions of acres of habitat to make way for gigantic windfarms and solar collection facilities is acceptable, while the much, much smaller environmental footprint of a few hundreds nuclear plants is not.

Of course, the bill has nothing to do with the environment, saving it or otherwise. It is a crass, opaque mechanism for collecting additional taxes, nothing more.

I agree with the tax greed parts. As for the nuclear power plant idea though...replace "coral reef" in my last bit with "irradiated wasteland" along with memories of Chernobyl and 3MI and there's something even I might possibly agree with.

286 Rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:27:32am

re: #281 Cannadian Club Akbar
How did you ever guess.

287 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:27:43am

re: #284 rightside

morning srb. you worked last night?

Mornin' rightside, yep...got one more night shift, then done for the week...

288 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:29:28am

re: #287 srb1976

good for you!

289 gettinby  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:32:28am

re: #278 Rustler

Pssh yeah but the aliens just needed new landmarks to help mark their flight plan. Mount Ararat wasn't good enough since it tool to long to get from the middle east to the mines in africa.

YES! Right there...proof!

/LOL

290 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:33:38am

re: #288 rightside

good for you!

Thanks, it's been a long one...plus I missed the holiday. Although it sounds like the better half and kids didn't do much...he's been sick and just didn't feel up to it (he's getting better though)

291 Rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:33:46am

re: #285 laZardo
People should see the area immediately around Cherynobyl now. Where people fear to tread Nature is making a massive comeback. Russian boars and red deer abound in the new growth forest that has pushed back within the town of cherynobyl proper and damn close to the ruins of the plant.

292 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:35:36am

re: #290 srb1976

too bad...I missed a few while I was in the Navy. Russia in '03 for the fourth. Just wasn't the same! But there will be more!

293 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:36:37am

re: #291 Rustler

People should see the area immediately around Cherynobyl now. Where people fear to tread Nature is making a massive comeback. Russian boars (with two heads) and red deer (with 5 legs) abound in the new growth forest that has pushed back within the town of cherynobyl proper and damn close to the ruins of the plant.

FTFY.

294 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:37:57am

re: #291 Rustler

That's not the only nature returning around there...

295 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:38:03am

re: #292 rightside

That's the truth...credit where it's due, the way our schedule @ work is made up, nobody gets screwed out of the same holiday 2 years in a row...

if you don't mind me asking...what did you do in the Navy? Better half was a boatswain's mate (god I hope I spelled that right) before I met him...

296 Rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:39:37am

re: #293 rightside
Actually the animals being born recently are showing little to no effects of radiation poisoning or mutations. Levels of radiation tested in Pripyat(the Actual town 1 mile from Chernobyl isn't called Chernobyl) aren't much worse than those taken near televisions and the like if I recall correctly.

297 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:41:40am

re: #295 srb1976

Yes, you spelled in right. I was a fire control technician, later shortened to fire controlman. I took care of the guided missle fire control radars that directed our surface to air missiles to the target. Also, a bunch of other electronics, computer systems, and power conversion equipment.

298 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:41:43am

re: #285 laZardo

I agree with the tax greed parts. As for the nuclear power plant idea though...replace "coral reef" in my last bit with "irradiated wasteland" along with memories of Chernobyl and 3MI and there's something even I might possibly agree with.

France gets over 80% of it's electrical supply from nuclear generation; they produce so much electricity they sell it to other countries, and some of those countries are concerned, not about nuclear waste, but about tying their own electrical needs to a foreign power, because they can't produce their own electricity as cheaply.

It's been over 50 years since the US has designed a nuclear power plant; over 35 years since they've built one. Out of all those in existence worldwide - over 400 - only two have had noteworthy failures: Chernobyl and TMI. Chernobyl was a dreadful design right out of the starting gate, and it was operated by a fatigued crew running it in a way it was never designed to be run, and which had been warned against previously. TMI, a partial meltdown, had an overall decent design - the small amount of radiation released was largely contained, and the amount released has had no discernible health impact in all the decades since the accident - and can be placed in the "lessons learned" category. In fact, all US nuclear plants were inspected, and many modified, following TMI to ensure that similar incidents would not result in the release of radioactive material.

Meanwhile, the mining and processing required to manufacture the vast numbers of windmills and mirrors proposed on the alternative side will release orders of magnitude more radiation into the atmosphere than dozens of Chernobyl-style events. And that's before their other ecological impacts are taken into account. As noted earlier, we're talking hundreds of millions of acres plowed over and shaded by inefficient windmills and solar collectors, with no storage mechanism at all available to draw upon when the sun doesn't shine or the wind doesn't blow.

As long as we're exploring ridiculous, unworkable alternatives, here's one: build human-size gerbil wheels, and shackle environmentalist Luddites to them. A taser might be necessary to boost productvity, but tofu is cheap, and you could collect their methane emissions as a secondary energy source.

299 Rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:42:55am

re: #296 Rustler
Here is an 8 year old link about Nature's recovery near Chernobyl.

300 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:43:45am

re: #296 Rustler

Pripyat is the town in the latest Call of Duty™ game.

I was poking fun, like on the Simpsons episode.

301 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:46:19am

re: #297 rightside

Thanks...I'm always curious...we have someone in (or retired from) the family in every branch but the coast guard...but it's the Navy guys that get picked on the most = )

Family reunions look like ads for interservice rivalry (all in good fun of course)

302 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:46:47am

Among other things, this country needs a massive infrastructure overhaul, and the addition of lots of nuclear power plants. At some point, a president is going to have to order it done, to save a massive loss of economy.

303 notamolly  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:47:03am

re: #273 eon

An apt description. My only quibble is the quote at the bottom. While the common saying is "pride goeth before a fall", the actual Biblical quotation is;

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

-Proverbs 16: 18

Which means that "pride" isn't a sin, per se; it's the arrogance of the spirit that's the big mistake.

Which is something The One seems to be amply supplied with. Which is not a good thing.

cheers

eon


Not a good thing at all! 0bama fits the bible verse appallingly well. Perhaps he needs to read about the fate of Nebuchadnezzer...

304 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:47:08am

re: #298 SixDegrees

I really wish I could give you more than 1 upding for that = )

305 eon  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:47:41am

re: #278 Rustler

Pssh yeah but the aliens just needed new landmarks to help mark their flight plan. Mount Ararat wasn't good enough since it tool to long to get from the middle east to the mines in africa.

Yes, one of the basic flaws in the whole "Ancient Astronauts" theory is that it always assumes that the "advanced alien culture" that was capable of getting here across untold parsecs of space at just below the speed of light somehow was limited "dirtside" to technologies no more advanced that either the local cultures or that possessed by our civilization at the time the "theorists" were constructing their hypotheses. So, the "aliens" built pyramids all over the place as navigation waypoints (instead of using a satellite system with something like GPS), used primitive batteries to generate low-voltage electricity to power... something (gee, wouldn't they have something like "atomic batteries" by that time in their technological evolution?), needed the entire Plain of Nazca to take off and land ground-to-orbit shuttles (way bigger than Edwards or Canaveral), and so on.

Some use the fallback position of "well, they crashed here, and most of their 'gee-whiz tech' was destroyed." Fine, great. Except that, unless the "colonizers" were total technical ignoramuses, even re-creating their tech base from scratch would have been a quicker process than "going native" and building pyramids, etc. What's more, if they really were colonizers, they'd have the sense to bring enough supplies with them to allow for a crash or two, if they came in the numbers the "theorists" postulate. (Think several thousand at least.)

Then, of course, if we're to believe the theories, these poor, stranded colonists somehow still managed to;

1. Establish a worldwide comm and transport grid (with what- balsa rafts?)

2. Fight a full-on, regional level, nuclear war in India (the Hindu Vedas and Ramayana)

3. Genetically engineer us from our "primitive" ancestors (with what, if they were "out of supply"?)

4. And, when everything failed (never mind that they apparently ruled the entire planet)- they still managed to leave, en masse, leaving no verifiable artifacts or even dead bodies behind.

The lack of bodies, I don't buy; consider the Herculean efforts Graves Registration did worldwide in World War Two. We brought our dead home whenever we could, but we also established a lot of military cemeteries from Hawaii to Normandy. So, where are their equivalents?

The lack of technological artifacts, I buy even less. We have "native" metal and glass artifacts from the periods in question; where are the spacemens' discarded radio tubes, broken printed circuit boards, empty cartridge cases, etc.?

How about even one crashed that never got recovered? They're still finding them all over Europe and the Pacific and Asia, vintage 1939-45. So, where are the aliens' pranged birds?

Any way you look at it, the whole story just doesn't hang together.

That said, I actually collect and read books on this subject, from W. Raymond Drake (the originator of the idea) to Erich Von Daniken (the guy who made a fortune off it) to even more outre' ones.

I find them endlessly amusing, just like most books on "UFOlogy".

cheers

eon

306 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:48:01am

re: #301 srb1976

Sounds typical, although I would tease them that they weren't (at that time) in the DoD, but in the transportation dept. LOL.

/puddlejumpers

307 Rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:48:16am

re: #300 rightside

Yeah Figured it was mostly farce but decided just incase someone else wanted to look at it I'd try and find a link. Will try to see later if I can find the Video Documentary from last year where a team went thru the Chernobyl Exclusion zone to see First hand the long term effects.

308 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:49:47am

re: #300 rightside

Pripyat is the town in the latest Call of Duty™ game.

I was poking fun, like on the Simpsons episode.

Not the latest-latest, but it was a good time.

309 eon  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:49:55am

re: #305 eon

That should be "one crashed fighter that never got recovered".

Finger malfunction!

cheers

eon

310 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:50:34am

re: #302 rightside

Among other things, this country needs a massive infrastructure overhaul, and the addition of lots of nuclear power plants. At some point, a president is going to have to order it done, to save a massive loss of economy.

True, that. A growing economy demands an abundant, cheap supply of energy. China is only the most recent example, where state-subsidized oil and a (total) lack of regulation make energy extremely cheap; their biggest worry at the moment is that their economic growth rate may dip below 10% thanks to the global recession.

If we want the US economy to grow, we must have a growing energy supply available to meet it's demands.

311 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:51:18am

re: #298 SixDegrees

TMI, a partial meltdown, had an overall decent design - the small amount of radiation released was largely contained, and the amount released has had no discernible health impact in all the decades since the accident

morning lizards!

I was living/working in Harrisburg at the time. It wasn't fun. And we're not sure about the health impact thing. I was diagnosed with hypothryoidism about 10 years ago. I'm the only one in the family. My doc definitely suspects a connection but of course there's no way to prove anything without a very expensive study.

312 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:53:18am

re: #308 laZardo

Much better than World at War, IMO. I don't count 5

313 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:55:00am

re: #310 SixDegrees

True, that. A growing economy demands an abundant, cheap supply of energy. China is only the most recent example, where state-subsidized oil and a (total) lack of regulation make energy extremely cheap; their biggest worry at the moment is that their economic growth rate may dip below 10% thanks to the global recession.

If we want the US economy to grow, we must have a growing energy supply available to meet it's demands.


That's the other HUGE sticking point for me...with cap & tax, we want to restrict our economy, our industry (which is not in the greatest shape to start with), and for what? Any "reduction" in greenhouse gas emissions that is accomplished, will be more than made up for by China, India...and everyone else that's more concerned with growth than the environment. That playing field is already tilted, it doesn't make any kind of since to tilt it further.

314 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:55:49am

Damn...since = sense (spellcheck doesn't catch everything) = )

315 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:57:02am

re: #310 SixDegrees

True, that. A growing economy demands an abundant, cheap supply of energy. China is only the most recent example, where state-subsidized oil and a (total) lack of regulation make energy extremely cheap; their biggest worry at the moment is that their economic growth rate may dip below 10% thanks to the global recession.

If we want the US economy to grow, we must have a growing energy supply available to meet it's demands.

that's the big one and it's coming...I think it's too late to get ahead of it now...I'm very pessimistic...how is it possible that democrats do not see this?...the answer is they do...the results will be disasterous

316 Rustler  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:00:15am

re: #305 eon
Yeah I read em cause I get a good laugh out of em. Zacharia Sitchkin (spelling may be off) also has a good series on it. I read Masonic comspiracy theories for the same reason. It's amazing how insidious and powerful the mason suppodely are yet in 1000 years they still haven't managed to take over the world.

317 gettinby  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:00:49am

re: #299 Rustler

Here is an 8 year old link about Nature's recovery near Chernobyl.

Here's a video from Nat Geo from 2006 -- interesting. (There are 5 different portions of videos.)

318 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:01:46am

re: #316 Rustler

Yeah I read em cause I get a good laugh out of em. Zacharia Sitchkin (spelling may be off) also has a good series on it. I read Masonic comspiracy theories for the same reason. It's amazing how insidious and powerful the mason suppodely are yet in 1000 years they still haven't managed to take over the world.

the whole idea is that when they take over the world you will never even know it!...ruh roh

319 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:02:48am

Good morning everyone

320 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:03:35am

re: #319 quiet man

Morning.

321 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:04:11am

re: #318 albusteve

the whole idea is that when they take over the world you will never even know it!...ruh roh

I wonder what it says about me that the first thing I thought of when I saw this was the Pinky & The Brain theme? And it's still running through my head...

322 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:04:16am

re: #318 albusteve
well...Somebody took over the world and screwed it up, then placed it back on the shelf hoping they dont have to pay for it.

323 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:04:27am

re: #311 wahabicorridor

morning lizards!

I was living/working in Harrisburg at the time. It wasn't fun. And we're not sure about the health impact thing. I was diagnosed with hypothryoidism about 10 years ago. I'm the only one in the family. My doc definitely suspects a connection but of course there's no way to prove anything without a very expensive study.

If there were anything to prove, it would have already been proven. And it would be simple: a noticeable rise in cancer rates, or in the rates of particular forms of cancer, relative to the unexposed population. There isn't one; if TMI had any radiological health impact, it was so small that it is indistinguishable from the statistical noise.

I strongly suspect that fear- and panic-induced health risks related to radiation exposure are far more significant than any actual exposure in this case. Which is a shame, because they are completely avoidable.

Meanwhile, mining tosses orders of magnitude more radiation into the atmosphere every year than will ever be released by multiple meltdowns on a TMI scale. So does the burning of coal and further processing of other mined materials. Switching to nuclear would vastly reduce the amount of raw materials required to produce electricity, and would also reduce the amount of radiation released as a result, a net gain in reduction vis a vis accidental radiation releases from nuclear power plants.

Modern designs for nuclear power plants, based on a half-century of accumulated engineering wisdom and decades worth of hands-on experience available from France and Canada (another bastion of common sense when it comes to nuclear power) would reduce what small risks there are to a negligible level, further widening the margin between nuclear and conventional or alternative methods of electrical production.

324 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:04:55am

if we have a massive economic slowdown, who will 'benefit'?...the govt sector is growing rapidly now...job security will actually be controlled by the state...what the hall do you call that?

325 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:07:21am

re: #322 quiet man

well...Somebody took over the world and screwed it up, then placed it back on the shelf hoping they dont have to pay for it.

"you break it you buy it!"...heh, that's what's happening to the donks right now...question is will they fess up to their stupidity or just keep trudging down the same destructive path?...I'd guess the latter if we don't win back the House in 2010...seems crucial to me

326 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:07:31am

I see that Marion Barry is back in the news, this time for stalking.

Apparently, as long as he keeps getting slaps on the wrist he's going to keep pushing the envelope.

328 eon  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:08:49am

re: #315 albusteve

that's the big one and it's coming...I think it's too late to get ahead of it now...I'm very pessimistic...how is it possible that democrats do not see this?...the answer is they do...the results will be disasterous

Yes, the assumption that "progressives" want us to have a 'better future' is a very unsafe one. Considering the visceral distaste for Western, rational, technological civilization that is part and parcel of the progressive infatuation with Eastern, "mystical" belief systems, I tend to believe that they are about as interested in "progress" as Xerxes was when he invaded Greece. They, like him, are mystics who worship "earth and water", and neither understand rational reasoning nor do they respect it. They prefer to offer up sacrifices to their deities in the hope of boons being granted. So that they can both "rule without let or hindrance", and get what they want without actually having to expend any mental or physical effort to get it.

After all, that's what slaves are for. They are aesthetes; their job is to "visualize perfection" 24/7.

The rest of us are expected to work in the fields to make it possible for them to live as hedonists without "harming" their "goddess"- you know, dirt.

Ayn Rand would probably not be pleased to see how far we have come down the road to being ruled by those she called "mystics of spirit" and "mystics of muscle".

I know I'm not.

cheers

eon

329 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:09:01am

re: #325 albusteve


We shall see...Donks in a china shop..by donks read libs, by China read..Our growing debt

330 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:09:09am

re: #326 SixDegrees

I see that Marion Barry is back in the news, this time for stalking.

Apparently, as long as he keeps getting slaps on the wrist he's going to keep pushing the envelope.

Like a bad penny.

331 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:10:03am

re: #323 SixDegrees

I'm with you 100% (I believe you are referring to 'pebble-bed' reactor design?)

332 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:10:18am

re: #326 SixDegrees

"Mayor for life" Marion Barry.

333 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:10:32am

re: #326 SixDegrees

I see that Marion Barry is back in the news, this time for stalking.

Apparently, as long as he keeps getting slaps on the wrist he's going to keep pushing the envelope.


It's not his fault, it was that "bitch."
/

334 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:12:59am

re: #328 eon

"worship earth and water" exactly describes my dear ex wife...anything else she is oblivious to...these people actually exist! and in large numbers!...decent, lovable, hard working, honest people that have no clue whatsoever

335 lincolntf  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:13:10am

re: #327 SasquatchOnSteroids

Morning all.
Are you sure there are only 5? If so, these must be the others, right?

07/09/11
09/11/13
01/03/05
03/05/07

336 srb1976  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:13:18am

re: #333 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's not his fault, it was that "bitch."
/

And on that note...I'm gonna go jump in the hot tub, and then go to bed = )

Y'all have a great day!

337 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:15:27am

here's the little sweetheart that will save us all...
[Link: www.hyperionpowergeneration.com...]

338 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:15:39am

I am awaiting more news of the Mullahs for life having a split down the middle...
I bet we are going to see some dancing there in Iran very soon..

Dancing at the end of ropes..

339 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:16:51am

re: #335 lincolntf

Morning all.
Are you sure there are only 5? If so, these must be the others, right?

07/09/11
09/11/13
01/03/05
03/05/07

11/13/15 makes 6

oh, and 13/15/17, after The One Supreme Ruler Of Sol unveils the newly formed Ocalendar

340 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:17:09am

re: #337 albusteve
Looks like fun...and perfect in soo many ways..no wonder the enviro wackos hate it

341 fluffy bunny  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:17:10am

Good morning...hope everyone had a happy and safe Independence Day!

342 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:17:39am

re: #341 fluffy bunny
Good morning to you..Mine was fine and delicious..yours?

343 lincolntf  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:18:10am

re: #339 SasquatchOnSteroids

Thirteenth month in that first one. Maybe it really is only 5.

344 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:18:38am

re: #331 wahabicorridor

I'm with you 100% (I believe you are referring to 'pebble-bed' reactor design?)

I'm not sure what it's called. But France has a rational approach to nuclear power - they have a single design that is used nationwide, and as problems are discovered the fixes for them are propagated throughout the entire country. The US has always taken a piecemeal approach - every power plant is essentially a prototype, making management and safety analysis much more difficult.

France also has a national waste recovery program in place. The US, embarrassingly, has tried for nearly half a century to adopt one, but still hasn't done so. Meanwhile, spent reactor rods are stored "temporarily" in swimming pools next to the reactors that use them, awaiting processing and long-term storage that will apparently never come. Here is where the Feds could make a huge damn difference - they need to mandate a storage site (or more than one) and declare it to be in the national interest, overriding objections from states that don't want it in their backyard. Frankly, there are many perfect candidates already available - the Feds own vast tracts of unoccupied land that doesn't fall under state jurisdiction in the first place, and a great deal of it is either no longer in use (former military installations of various kinds) or has never been developed at all. Stick it there, hand the state it's in a few billion per year in "lease payments" and tell them to go hang if they object to it.

345 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:19:36am

re: #344 SixDegrees
At least they let kids swim for free in those pools...

346 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:20:46am

re: #344 SixDegrees
Seriously tho..you are testical centered on that one..I believe area 51 could be rented...for a small price.

347 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:22:31am

re: #345 quiet man

At least they let kids swim for free in those pools...

Actually, they are heavily guarded and represent a significant security risk and expense. A central repository would solve both problems.

348 fluffy bunny  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:22:34am

Morning Quiet Man! The food was yummy, but for the first time in 46 years...I missed the big celebrations. Neighbors across the lake put on one heck of a show though.

349 gettinby  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:22:48am

re: #344 SixDegrees

As long as it's not in my backyard.

/Just warming up for the possibility of them picking Florida.

350 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:23:47am

re: #344 SixDegrees

The French use something called a pressurized reactor - and that's everything I know about it !

351 fluffy bunny  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:24:27am

re: #349 gettinby

No worries there, Charlie will never allow it to happen.

352 redneckkahfir  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:24:49am

why not use the Yucca mountain repository that we have spent millions building?

353 eon  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:24:59am

re: #316 Rustler

Yeah I read em cause I get a good laugh out of em. Zacharia Sitchkin (spelling may be off) also has a good series on it. I read Masonic comspiracy theories for the same reason. It's amazing how insidious and powerful the mason suppodely are yet in 1000 years they still haven't managed to take over the world.

I find Sitchin hilarious, too. especially because he goes along with the Velikovsky "Worlds in Collision" theory, in which Venus started out as a comet, etc. (Uhh, no.)

What makes it even funnier is that Velikovsky's theories are almost a direct steal from those of Hans Horbiger, whose "Eternal Ice" theory became the house cosmology of Germany from 1933 to 1945. You can read about it here;

Wikipedia- Welteislehre

without linking to any kook sites.

An even more detailed account, complete with Horbiger's "declaration of war" on orthodox cosmology and even astrophysics, can be found in The Morning of the Magicians, by Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier. They argue that one reason we've never been able to fully comprehend Germany at that time is that it was in the grips of a movement that simply did not view reality, in any aspect, the way the rest of the world did, and does, to this day.

/I highly recommend the book, just for that section alone, although the rest of it isn't bad, either.

cheers

eon

354 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:25:15am

re: #346 quiet man

Seriously tho..you are testical centered on that one..I believe area 51 could be rented...for a small price.

Area 51 is an excellent example. It is no longer in use and already has extensive security infrastructure in place.

355 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:25:51am

re: #347 SixDegrees
I thought the US was working on one somewhere...a shaft bored into solid granite on a mountain. Seems there was something like that in a story

356 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:25:56am

re: #349 gettinby

As long as it's not in my backyard.

/Just warming up for the possibility of them picking Florida.

Don't we already have a nuke plant in Crystal River?

357 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:26:40am
358 Jimmah  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:26:59am

re: #328 eon

That does describe a lot of hippy progressives I've known - and unfortunately they have had a lot of popular influence. In the UK, for example, almost everyone is convinced that GM food is inherently evil, and it isn't just the 'progressives'. Certainly though, not everyone on the left thinks that way either, and not everyone who takes the environment seriously worships the earth and water in that naive and misguided way. I find that the most relevant factor in determining how much of an 'earth-moonbat' someone is is their level of science education/engagement.

359 3 wood  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:27:09am

SEC to likely reinstate uptick rule.

SEC May Reinstate Rules for Short-Selling Stocks

For the moment, the most likely outcome may be for the SEC to reinstate a rule that the commission itself abolished with a unanimous vote in 2007, under its previous chairman, Christopher S. Cox. Known as the uptick rule, it would bar investors from shorting a stock until its price ticks at least a penny above its previous trading price.

But current and former SEC staff members appear to doubt that reinstating the uptick rule would have much of an effect on trading. Some say the change would be merely cosmetic.

Viewed in a vacuum the uptick rule may seem minor. But when you combine the absence of the uptick rule with the ability to buy credit default swaps (a bet that a given company will default on it's debt) and the absence of enforcing the "naked short selling" prohibition, you had a recipe for disaster. Once you bought a credit default swap on a company, you had an overwhelming motivation to "help" that company default. With no uptick rule and no enforcement of the naked short selling rules, you also had the tools with which to try to make that happen.

360 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:27:16am

re: #352 redneckkahfir

why not use the Yucca mountain repository that we have spent millions building?

the donks own that project...it's stalled, probably for good

361 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:27:22am

re: #352 redneckkahfir

why not use the Yucca mountain repository that we have spent millions building?

That would be my first choice - it's been extensively studied, and is deemed geologically safe for the long-term storage required. Development has been roadblocked by state interests in response to NIMBYism, and also in hopes of getting the state's palm greased in return for acceptance.

362 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:28:04am

re: #357 Iron Fist
refurbish/replace the aging weapons in our defensive arsenal.


Not on Obamas watch..to him defending the US is distasteful

363 eon  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:28:20am

re: #344 SixDegrees

We already have such a storage site, at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Harry Reid, Nancy pelosi, and The One refuse to allow it to be opened. This, unfortunately, does not surprise me.

They won't be satisfied until we are starving, and freezing, in the dark.

cheers

eon

364 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:28:24am

re: #351 fluffy bunny

No worries there, Charlie will never allow it to happen.

Charlie will be gone soon.

365 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:28:59am

re: #355 quiet man

I thought the US was working on one somewhere...a shaft bored into solid granite on a mountain. Seems there was something like that in a story

Yucca Mountain. See above; it's been tied up by local objectors for years. Using Federally-owned land would circumvent a lot of these problems.

366 Fluffy Bunny  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:29:47am

re: #364 Cannadian Club Akbar

Thankfully! Although, I do not want to see him replace Mel Martinez.

367 gettinby  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:30:04am

re: #351 fluffy bunny

No worries there, Charlie will never allow it to happen.

Okay, then.

/*whew*

You in Florida?

(If so, then do you think we are going to see a Madam Governor with Alex?)

368 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:30:41am

re: #365 SixDegrees

When I was in the miltary, we had a saying about the incredible value of a well placed "Fuck you"

I believe that needs to be resurected

369 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:30:46am

re: #357 Iron Fist

I really don't know enough about it to develop an opinion - except that we dfinitely need a lot more of the things.

370 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:30:58am

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (73 degrees going all the way up to 80 degrees with heavy rain in the forecast) cloudy and dark Charlotte!

How is everyone today?

371 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:31:23am

re: #370 realwest


Good morning from the dead center of the country

372 3 wood  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:32:07am

Sports Nerd Corner:

Cubs got stomped 11-2 yesterday by the Brewers and the game was not that close.

Time for Cubs GM Hendry to start backing up the truck and making some deals for the future.

Also, Lance Armstrong finished 10th in stage 1 of the Tour de France. I think Armstrong is going to find out that at age 37 he is a very old man for this race. I will be surprised if he finishes in the top 20.

373 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:32:41am

re: #371 quiet man

Good morning from the dead center of the country

Ah, well good morning to you, too. Where is the "dead center" of the country and more importantly, where is the Live Center of the Country!
/

374 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:32:56am

re: #357 Iron Fist

I'd prefer to see us build Fast Breeder Reactors. I don't see any proliferation concerns as long as we are the ones running the plants and they are located on American soil. The fact that we could re-process the "waste" into weapons-grade plutonium is a feature, not a bug. We could use the plutonium to refurbish/replace the aging weapons in our defensive arsenal.

A tough sell on those merits. A better pitch would be re-use of the plutonium bred in those reactors as fuel for other reactors, extending the finite supply of uranium. I national interest required, that stream of plutonium could be diverted if necessary. But using it for additional energy production is much easier to pass.

375 gettinby  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:33:25am

re: #356 Cannadian Club Akbar

Don't we already have a nuke plant in Crystal River?

Yes.

Toward bottom of article shows a list of plants.

/They slipped it in on us.

376 3 wood  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:33:32am

re: #370 realwest

How is everyone today?

Leaving shortly to play music at a local church service. How's things by you?

377 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:33:32am

re: #370 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (73 degrees going all the way up to 80 degrees with heavy rain in the forecast) cloudy and dark Charlotte!

How is everyone today?

ornery...I want some power!...heh

378 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:33:36am

re: #374 SixDegrees

Close to Kansas city...the live center..well..I wish I knew.

379 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:33:42am
380 Fluffy Bunny  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:33:52am

With the list of potential GOP hopefuls growing shorter each week, Crist's name seems to be popping up more often as a possibility for a 2012.

Scary thought!

381 eon  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:34:11am

Well, I have to be getting down the road. Hope you had a great 4th.

And have a great day today as well, Lizards.

cheers

eon

382 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:34:36am

re: #367 gettinby

Okay, then.

/*whew*

You in Florida?

(If so, then do you think we are going to see a Madam Governor with Alex?)


I am south of Tampa. Yes, Alex Sink has a very good chance, regardless of the polls. She is fiscally conservative and that is what we need right now. Charlie didn't raise taxes, though. Just raised "user fees." I really don't like him. And I don't know enough about Bill McCollum yet.

383 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:34:37am

re: #372 3 wood
Good morning 3 wood - so you figure at age 37 Lance is too old to win this thing, huh?
Where did he finish in stage 1 the last time he rode in the race, do you know?
And, MORE IMPORTANTLY, how are ya my friend?

384 Jimmah  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:35:44am

Let's hear it once more for Dave Angel, Eco Warrior, and his tacky, show-stealing girlfriend, Shirley:

385 Fluffy Bunny  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:35:58am

Finish that sentence, Fluffy...a 2012 run.

386 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:36:19am

re: #379 Iron Fist

That is Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository. Harry Reid is one big reason that it hasn't been opened yet. I think that is just NIMBY bullshit, and not recalcetrance because he wants to see the world burn up through Gorebull Warming. But you know that is how they would be spinning it if Reid were a Republican.

It is also possible that Reid is a secret neo-Luddite (in the Al Gore/Envirowhacko style) that opposes power generation of any form and is being an obstructionist on those grounds. Certainly a secure repository for nuclear waste would remove many of the objections to nuclear power as a means of generating electricity.

I think Harry could care less...it's simple pandering...it's not a belief system, it's just regenerating votes required to stay in office

387 gettinby  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:36:31am

re: #370 realwest

Hey there {realwest!

Good morning.

How are you?

388 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:36:51am

re: #379 Iron Fist
Just one more log on the fire for the left it seems. Cant drill, cant mine, cant be fission...

Is there a possibilty that the left will ever be on the side where America wins?

389 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:38:31am

re: #376 3 wood Everything's ok here I reckon - y'all gonna be playing at your own church's serivices or is this a guest gig!

390 Fluffy Bunny  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:38:35am

Good morning Realwest!

391 Jimmah  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:39:24am

And for those who still think it's just moonbats who are concerned about AGW:

392 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:39:26am

re: #377 albusteve

ornery...I want some power!...heh

Um, what?
Good morning to you amigo! How are y'all doing today?

393 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:41:07am

re: #378 quiet man I think you intended your answer for me at #373 - Kansas City Mo. or Kansas City, Kansas?
(and pssst! the Live Center is Manhattan, NYC!)
:)

394 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:41:27am

re: #384 Jimmah

That was too funny

395 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:41:32am

re: #392 realwest

Um, what?
Good morning to you amigo! How are y'all doing today?

fine and dandy...all's well here in the beautiful valley of the Rio Grande

396 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:42:18am

re: #393 realwest Closer to KC, Kansas..but out in the country

397 3 wood  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:42:55am

re: #383 realwest

so you figure at age 37 Lance is too old to win this thing, huh?
Where did he finish in stage 1 the last time he rode in the race, do you know?
And, MORE IMPORTANTLY, how are ya my friend?

You lose about 1% of your lung capacity for every year over age 30 on average. Does not make a big difference to just walking around every day, but it sure makes a difference in high performance level sports. I have no idea what he did in stage 1 last time, but that was several years ago. You now have a whole bunch of young riders out there with fresh legs and see Armstrong as an aging rider ready to be cracked.

I'm doing great.

Had a quiet 4th, sat around and took care of the dogs ans worked on projects. Watched our copy of the old John Wayne movie The Quiet Man. It was interesting cause last year we stayed in the town where they filmed that movie and we recognized the locations and buildings and such.

It rained all day here but should be nice today.

398 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:42:57am

re: #391 Jimmah

Charles posted that and frankly I was unimpressed...seemed a little simplistic

399 gettinby  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:43:04am

re: #382 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am south of Tampa. Yes, Alex Sink has a very good chance, regardless of the polls. She is fiscally conservative and that is what we need right now. Charlie didn't raise taxes, though. Just raised "user fees." I really don't like him. And I don't know enough about Bill McCollum yet.

I heard her last week on 970AM with Jack, Ted & Sharon. She needs to work on her discussion presentation imho.

McCollum is a good guy from I've read (even though, how the hell did it happen, he lost to Mel). Definitely have to study more on both of them.

400 3 wood  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:43:21am

re: #389 realwest

Guest gig. Special number plus offeratory.

401 gettinby  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:44:01am

re: #387 gettinby

Hey there {realwest!

Good morning.

How are you?

What happened to my other arm?

Here you go! }

402 3 wood  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:44:26am

Got to run, later.

403 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:44:49am

re: #398 albusteve


It does seem simplistic..add a bit of hysteria, too.

404 Jimmah  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:45:20am

re: #394 quiet man

That sketch never gets old for me.

405 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:46:38am

re: #387 gettinby
Hey good morning {gettingby} - what's with the one-armed hug? Didja hurt your other arm!
I'm doing ok, thanks - how are you ('cept for your arm of course!)?

406 Jimmah  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:46:49am

re: #398 albusteve

Charles posted that and frankly I was unimpressed...seemed a little simplistic

There is a difference between 'simplistic' and a simple to read exposition of the facts.

407 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:46:53am

re: #379 Iron Fist

That is Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository. Harry Reid is one big reason that it hasn't been opened yet. I think that is just NIMBY bullshit, and not recalcetrance because he wants to see the world burn up through Gorebull Warming. But you know that is how they would be spinning it if Reid were a Republican.

It is also possible that Reid is a secret neo-Luddite (in the Al Gore/Envirowhacko style) that opposes power generation of any form and is being an obstructionist on those grounds. Certainly a secure repository for nuclear waste would remove many of the objections to nuclear power as a means of generating electricity.

In Reid's case, it's a simple shakedown. He's raising all kinds of objections in hopes that the Feds will grease his palm in return for approval.

408 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:47:15am

re: #390 Fluffy Bunny
Good morning Fluffy Bunny - how are you today?

409 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:48:40am

re: #399 gettinby

I heard her last week on 970AM with Jack, Ted & Sharon. She needs to work on her discussion presentation imho.

McCollum is a good guy from I've read (even though, how the hell did it happen, he lost to Mel). Definitely have to study more on both of them.

I listen to AM Tampa Bay every morning. And you are correct, Alex needs to polish it up. But I think the first office she ever ran for, and won, was CFO. Someone will tighten her up.

410 gettinby  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:48:49am

re: #405 realwest

Hey good morning {gettingby} - what's with the one-armed hug? Didja hurt your other arm!
I'm doing ok, thanks - how are you ('cept for your arm of course!)?

I don't know! I typed it, and it disappeared. Watch...

when typed WITH an exclamation point...

{realwest!

and now, WITHOUT an exclamation point...

{realwest}

hmmm

411 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:49:08am

re: #407 SixDegrees
Can we dare hope for a reid/Blago moment?

412 Fluffy Bunny  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:50:44am

re: #408 realwest

Still in recovery mode but doing great! The staples come out tomorrow and in two more weeks I can drive again. Cabin fever seems to be the worst of it. : )

How are you feeling? Did you get the medications issue worked out with your doctor? As always, you have been in my thoughts and prayers.

413 lincolntf  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:50:53am

If anyone cares, Roddick just broke Federer to win the first set.

414 Fluffy Bunny  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:52:09am

re: #413 lincolntf

I care! Thanks for the update.

415 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:52:17am

re: #406 Jimmah

There is a difference between 'simplistic' and a simple to read exposition of the facts.

probably...I have no clue what the facts are...seems I'm not the only one either

416 quiet man  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:52:51am

BBl breakfast

and a great day for you all...

417 gettinby  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:53:23am

re: #409 Cannadian Club Akbar

I listen to AM Tampa Bay every morning. And you are correct, Alex needs to polish it up. But I think the first office she ever ran for, and won, was CFO. Someone will tighten her up.

Here's a brief bit on McCollum.

/Yeah, I know, it's wiki, but it's brief and to the point for now.

Born and raised in Brooksville, Florida, McCollum graduated from Hernando High School and earned his bachelor’s degree and law degree from the University of Florida. While at the University of Florida, he was inducted into the University of Florida Hall of Fame, the most prestigious honor a student leader could receive, and served as president of Florida Blue Key. McCollum began his professional career on active duty with the United States Navy's Judge Advocate General Corps from 1969 to 1972. In 1992, he retired from the United States Naval Reserve as a Commander (O-5) in the US Navy JAG Corps, having served over 23 years as an officer. In 1973, he entered private practice in Orlando and immediately became involved in local politics, serving as Chairman of the Seminole County Republican Party from 1976 to 1980.

418 Fluffy Bunny  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:53:39am

Enjoy your breakfast quiet man...have a good one!

419 gettinby  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:54:59am

Good day to you quiet man!

(My most favorite movie, EVER!)

420 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:55:33am

re: #370 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a moderate (73 degrees going all the way up to 80 degrees with heavy rain in the forecast) cloudy and dark Charlotte!

How is everyone today?

A little better than normal.

/not that I have much "good day" music on my MP3 player. q;

421 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:55:45am

re: #391 Jimmah
Good morning Jimmah - that was interesting. Wonder how the fella who was with David Attenborough acccounts for the correlation between volcanic and other natural activity, global warming and man made effects around 1900 right striaght through to 1960 or so?
And is what he's saying is that man made effects account for the last oh, 40 years or so?
Isn't 40 years barely a snapshot of global warming given the age of the earth?

422 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:57:01am

re: #396 quiet man
Ok, got it - I suppose in the larger scheme of things it really wouldn't matter if it was Mo. or Ks in any event!

423 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:58:24am

pretty cool story...
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

424 Jimmah  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:58:28am

re: #403 quiet man

It does seem simplistic..add a bit of hysteria, too.

Huh? If it were any less hysterical it would be comatose! And again, there is a big difference between a 'simplistic' account and one that is well explained and easy to read. The important factors that we know about are represented, you can see how they influence global temperature, and you can see the conclusion that most climate scientists have drawn, and understand why they have done so. It puts the ball very much in the sceptics court.

425 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:58:43am

re: #400 3 wood
Sigh. What is an "offeratory"?

426 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:59:36am

re: #401 gettinby

What happened to my other arm?

Here you go! }


Ah thanks! Musta been holding a cuppa coffee the first time around! LOL!

427 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:59:56am

re: #425 realwest

Sigh. What is an "offeratory"?

hookers use it

428 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:01:27am

Hi all.
The liberal doods hate her - they really really hate her.
She dared mock their holy and precious messiah - lord of universal socialism - god jr.

429 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:01:34am

re: #412 Fluffy Bunny
Hey GREAT news! And no I haven't gotten the medication issue worked out with my doctors yet - don't know if I'll ever be able to.
Just take what we can afford to take, I reckon.

430 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:01:44am

BBIAM!

431 Jimmah  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:02:13am

re: #421 realwest

Actually, the effect on the global temperature has been there ever since man started putting extra CO2 into the atmosphere. But CO2 has never been the only variable factor that has a hand in influencing global temperatures. It's only in the last 40 years that it's effect has become obviously apparent above other ones.

432 Fluffy Bunny  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:04:56am

re: #429 realwest

Just a thought...have you contacted the drug companies that make the meds you need to see if they have programs available for you and your mom?

433 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:06:15am

re: #428 FrogMarch

And the next time he's on CNN, Blitzer won't say a word.

434 Jimmah  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:06:24am

Gotta go - have fun, lizards.

435 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:07:04am

re: #423 albusteve
Hey my friend! Let me get this straight - this guy had his eyesight restored because they transplanted a tooth into his eye socket to hold the lens in place?
Why does that sound as if somone is having a joke at our expense? I mean, why a tooth?

436 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:07:50am

re: #423 albusteve

Ouch.

/hate to get cavities

437 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:09:05am

re: #433 wahabicorridor

And the next time he's on CNN, Blitzer won't say a word.

Indeed. Corruptocrats (D) can spew as much vile hate-filled misogynistic vomit as they want. No questions asked.

438 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:09:17am

re: #428 FrogMarch

I see Shanny Moore has apparently removed the allegation of the Feds investigaing Palin from her web site.

No, I won't link to the skank.

439 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:09:53am

re: #428 FrogMarch
Good morning FrogMarch! That was sorta astounding, even for liberals - or at least the LEFT! Don't know how you picked up on it, but glad you did!

440 The Hoopster  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:10:56am

Good Morning Lizards!

441 laZardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:11:38am

re: #428 FrogMarch

Hi all.
The liberal doods hate her - they really really hate her.
She dared mock their holy and precious messiah - lord of universal socialism - god jr.

As much as that article linked from that blog was hideously chauvinist and degrading, I'm afraid all these smear tactics worked like a charm. She's done, Jim.

442 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:12:18am

re: #432 Fluffy Bunny
Ah yup. And no they don't. And mom and I each make anywhere from $150 to $400 or so a month to qualify for any special State or Federal assistance.

Here's a tip for you: don't grow older unless you can do it and maintain your health or have bucks to spare!

443 Fluffy Bunny  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:12:27am

Time to head up to Gainesville...enjoy the rest of the week-end and stay safe.

444 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:13:10am

re: #441 laZardo

As much as that article linked from that blog was hideously chauvinist and degrading, I'm afraid all these smear tactics worked like a charm. She's done, Jim.

Her days as an elected official may be done, but as a national figure? I doubt it.

That pig Begala never held any office and look where he is.

445 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:14:22am

re: #435 realwest

Hey my friend! Let me get this straight - this guy had his eyesight restored because they transplanted a tooth into his eye socket to hold the lens in place?
Why does that sound as if somone is having a joke at our expense? I mean, why a tooth?

did not explain that part well...maybe it has something to do with the stability of enamel or whatever...how they figure this stuff out and make it work is amazing

446 Fluffy Bunny  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:14:54am

re: #442 realwest

I have an idea...I will email you tomorrow evening. And...too late about the growing old advice, I am already there! But it beats the alternative. : D

447 walter l. newton  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:15:31am

re: #440 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!

Morning. Checking in from the mountian top lair at 8000 feet. On a clear day... which it is not... I rarely seen this much rain in Colorado this late into the summer.

Going back down the hill to my apartment in a few, got a show today.

448 notamolly  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:16:11am

Good morning Lizards! I am off to increase our carbon footprint today and get remnants of fireworks off the lawn. Darn kids! :)

449 The Hoopster  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:17:23am

re: #447 walter l. newton

Morning. Checking in from the mountian top lair at 8000 feet. On a clear day... which it is not... I rarely seen this much rain in Colorado this late into the summer.

Going back down the hill to my apartment in a few, got a show today.


Good Morning! It's rained all day yesterday and overcast today...
Did you have a good 4th?

450 gettinby  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:18:22am

re: #448 notamolly

Good morning Lizards! I am off to increase our carbon footprint today and get remnants of fireworks off the lawn. Darn kids! :)

And, you didn't have any fun at all, huh?

/I LOVE fireworks.

Of course, our greyhound spent most of the night in our shower, poor thing.

451 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:18:35am

re: #441 laZardo

As much as that article linked from that blog was hideously chauvinist and degrading, I'm afraid all these smear tactics worked like a charm. She's done, Jim.


Done or not done is beside the point. The point is that liberal men are in an uncontrollable obsessive hate-filled state. & no one cares.

452 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:19:20am

re: #440 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!

Morning 2H. Hope all Lizards had a great day yesterday.

453 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:19:44am

re: #439 realwest

Hi Realwest!

454 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:21:30am

re: #451 FrogMarch

Done or not done is beside the point. The point is that liberal men are in an uncontrollable obsessive hate-filled state. & no one cares.

True. But I am sure the NOW will get Sarah's back.
/

455 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:21:32am

re: #438 wahabicorridor

I see Shanny Moore has apparently removed the allegation of the Feds investigating Palin from her web site.

No, I won't link to the skank.


Good morning {wahabi}. Gee, wonder why she removed it? I mean it seemed like such a GOOD story, ya know? The politics of personal attack have truly reached a fever pitch in this country - all the news about Sanford and Ensign and all - and wasn't there a half a day or so about Edwards, too?
Methinks things are gonna get MUCH NASTIER just out of self-defense on the part of the right wing in this country. And given how many skeletons there are in the collected closets of Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, Kennedy, Waxman and Boxer, et.al. I have a feeling that the MSM will be rendered totally useless as a source of information about news of the day, because their bias LEFTWARDS is showing so much.
Indeed, although I can't find the damn link (now that I need it! LOL!) iirc, something like 50% of the population now get most of their news from the Internet. Gonna be an interesting next five years or so.

456 walter l. newton  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:21:44am

re: #449 HoosierHoops

Good Morning! It's rained all day yesterday and overcast today...
Did you have a good 4th?

Yes, my girlfriend and her daughter came down to Golden, and I opened the theatre and it was like having air a conditioned "sky box" to watch the local fireworks show. Our lobby is on the second floor and we have 7 large windows looking out to the mountians, southwest, where they launch the show from.

Show was short, looks like budget constriants.

Then we came up here (secret mountain lair). Going back down in a few minutes.

I'll be moved in here by end of month.

457 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:22:33am

re: #440 HoosierHoops
Good morning Hoops! How are you doing today?

458 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:23:05am

re: #456 walter l. newton

Yes, my girlfriend and her daughter came down to Golden, and I opened the theatre and it was like having air a conditioned "sky box" to watch the local fireworks show. Our lobby is on the second floor and we have 7 large windows looking out to the mountians, southwest, where they launch the show from.

Show was short, looks like budget constriants.

Then we came up here (secret mountain lair). Going back down in a few minutes.

I'll be moved in here by end of month.

You're moving?

459 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:23:57am

Good morning all! Hope everyone survived the festivities unscorched!

460 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:24:09am

re: #446 Fluffy Bunny
Thanks, I look forward to receiving your e-mail!

461 The Hoopster  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:24:22am

re: #457 realwest

Good morning Hoops! How are you doing today?

Doing great! Think I'll go to the club today and watch the Watkins Glenn race...
How goes it with you?

462 The Hoopster  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:25:01am

re: #452 Erik The Red

Morning 2H. Hope all Lizards had a great day yesterday.

Hi there! How is that jet lag working for you?

463 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:25:38am

re: #451 FrogMarch

Done or not done is beside the point. The point is that liberal men are in an uncontrollable obsessive hate-filled state. & no one cares.

Uh, my friend, I hate to disagree with you, but SOME of us care - and care a great deal, too.

464 walter l. newton  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:26:30am

re: #458 reine.de.tout

You're moving?

Yes, about 23 miles south west of Golden, into the Rocky Mountians, to my girlfriends house, with her daughter, 3 large dogs, 2 cats and a mixed collection of mountian wildlife (and animals :)

Her house is at about 8000 feet.

465 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:27:18am

re: #464 walter l. newton
Hope you like snow!

466 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:27:40am

re: #458 reine.de.tout
Good morning reine! I'll let Walter tell ya about it, but it all sounds GOOD!
How are you doing today?

467 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:27:45am

re: #464 walter l. newton

Yes, about 23 miles south west of Golden, into the Rocky Mountians, to my girlfriends house, with her daughter, 3 large dogs, 2 cats and a mixed collection of mountian wildlife (and animals :)

Her house is at about 8000 feet.

how will your bird adjust do you think?

468 walter l. newton  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:28:08am

re: #465 pingjockey

Hope you like snow!

Snow? What about snow. There's no snow up here.
///

469 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:28:29am

Eternity = the time you can smell the coffee until it's done percolating!

470 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:28:43am

re: #459 pingjockey
Hi ya ping! Yeah, pretty much (I mean, what's an eyebrow, anyway! - LOL - just made that one up!).
How was your Fourth?

471 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:28:51am

re: #455 realwest

morning real! I think that the percentage of people who get their news from the net may depend on the age demographic.

Katherine Weymouth's 'aploogy' for the WaPo's pay-to-play today is an absolute sham
(sorry, can't find a link)

472 The Hoopster  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:29:26am

re: #464 walter l. newton

Yes, about 23 miles south west of Golden, into the Rocky Mountians, to my girlfriends house, with her daughter, 3 large dogs, 2 cats and a mixed collection of mountian wildlife (and animals :)

Her house is at about 8000 feet.

With 2 cats in the yard
Life used to be so hard
now everything is easy cause of you...

473 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:29:42am

re: #468 walter l. newton
Heh! Sure, just tell yourself that this January.

474 J.S.  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:29:43am

re: #451 FrogMarch

I've read that Obama had that duo (Paul Begala and James Carville) taken off CNN (that was during the Obama campaign)...Paul Begala does a hell of a lot of damage to the Democrats...(he's a walking disaster and a political liability). I believe even Obama recognized this...

475 gettinby  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:30:09am

re: #464 walter l. newton

Should be an interesting drive down-mountain in the winter.

/former brief resident of just-outside-Snowmass.

Gorgeous country though.

476 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:30:37am

re: #461 HoosierHoops
It goes. I'm gonna "publish" The List in a few minutes, just going over it again and hope all the information is correct!

477 walter l. newton  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:30:46am

re: #467 albusteve

how will your bird adjust do you think?

Well, she'll probably have one chance... no, the dogs will probably be alright... not sure about the cats. Maisey the Parrot is not scared of dogs... we may have to do some creative cage placement to keep the cats at bay.

But then again, Maisey is about as large as the cats and can put up a good show if she is bothered.

478 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:31:26am

re: #470 realwest
We had a fine time. There is a reservation about 10 miles away so the boys got some of the good fireworks! We just sat in my bros back yard and watched the shows from the other yards too. Just crazy!

479 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:31:36am

re: #474 J.S.

I've read that Obama had that duo (Paul Begala and James Carville) taken off CNN (that was during the Obama campaign)...Paul Begala does a hell of a lot of damage to the Democrats...(he's a walking disaster and a political liability). I believe even Obama recognized this...

Taken off CNN? Lord Obama is everywhere.

480 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:32:25am

re: #466 realwest

Good morning reine! I'll let Walter tell ya about it, but it all sounds GOOD!
How are you doing today?

I'm doing fine, Realwest, thanks!

As re: Walter - I'm trying to get my brain around what Maisie is going to do, what with the cats that are there.

I'm looking forward to the first report.

481 walter l. newton  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:33:57am

re: #475 gettinby

Should be an interesting drive down-mountain in the winter.

/former brief resident of just-outside-Snowmass.

Gorgeous country though.

I've lived in Colorado 20 years, seen a lot of snow on the foothills area, this house is only 2 miles off a main highway, which gets first plowing treatment in the winter.

So, not a major problem, you always have to be careful in snow around here.

482 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:34:00am

re: #471 wahabicorridor
I used to think age had a lot to do with Internet usage, my mom, at 84, being a perfect example. But a lot of folks my age (64) down to say 50 or so are turning more and more to the Internet for things like job opportunities and as they do that, and get more familiar with the Internet and how it works, I think that age demographic will change some, when it comes to news, anyway. For on-line gamers, probably not so much.

483 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:34:07am

re: #474 J.S.
CNN caved to the one! Oh the horror of a nonidealogical media! Of course the msm has been left for sooo long, they don't care.

484 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:34:51am

BBIAB...COFFEE!

485 J.S.  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:35:29am

re: #479 FrogMarch

Carville and Begala both supported Hiliary Clinton (and Obama made a complaint -- so the story goes -- so CNN gave Carville and Begala the heave-ho -- at least until the leadership was determined..)

486 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:35:43am

Remember Larry Franklin? The guy that was sentenced supposedly for passing classified material to Israel?

He gave and interview to Forward.

“I’ve learned a lot by crawling on the ground,” the 62-year-old father of five said in his first interview since the affair began in 2004. The lessons that Franklin has learned from his experience include the capacity by his colleagues and partners for — as he sees it — betrayal, and the persistence, he has concluded, of deep-rooted antisemitic sentiment in certain quarters of America’s intelligence community.

“I was asked about every Jew I knew in OSD [Office of the Secretary of Defense], and that bothered me,” Franklin said. His superiors at the time were both Jewish: Paul Wolfowitz, deputy secretary of defense, and Douglas Feith, undersecretary of defense for policy, whom Franklin believes was a target of the investigation. “One agent asked me, ‘How can a Bronx Irish Catholic get mixed up with…’ and I finished the phrase for him: ‘with these Jews.’” Franklin answered, “Christ was Jewish, too, and all the apostles.” “Later I felt dirty,” he added.

Big surprise there, huh?

h/t Powerline

487 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:36:49am

re: #463 realwest

Uh, my friend, I hate to disagree with you, but SOME of us care - and care a great deal, too.

Indeed - Saner minds care. We stand back and think - why so much hatred? Why has this become acceptable political discourse within the hierarchy of the Democrat party?

488 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:37:04am

re: #478 pingjockey
Ah, that sounds like such FUN. My grandfather, when he lived in Queens, would spend an outrageous sum of money on fireworks - mostly starburst rockets and mortars and folks from the entire neighborhood would come around and just sit on the lawn, sidewalks, streets - anyplace they could find - just to watch and enjoy!
Glad you had such a great time my friend!

489 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:38:12am

re: #485 J.S.

Carville and Begala both supported Hiliary Clinton (and Obama made a complaint -- so the story goes -- so CNN gave Carville and Begala the heave-ho -- at least until the leadership was determined..)

Huffpo has Begala's back. *ugh* - Creepy leftist liberal proggie hack.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

490 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:38:58am

folly in the House...how cap/trade passed...disgusting whores


[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

491 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:39:12am

Boy are we screwed. I imagine this Administrtion is gonnagive away the kitchen sink:

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Sunday the United States must compromise on its plan to build a missile defense system in Europe in order to reach a deal on reducing nuclear warheads, Reuters reported.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Presidents Barack Obama and Dmitry Medvedev end a seven-year hiatus in U.S.-Russian summitry on Monday, with both men declaring their determination to further cut nuclear arsenals and repair a badly damaged relationship.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Maybe we can rebuild the Berlin Wall for the Ruskies?

492 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:39:33am

re: #489 FrogMarch

Begala is creepy and a misogynist, IMO.

493 J.S.  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:40:35am

re: #483 pingjockey

It's pretty funny though, that response by Helen Thomas -- she's saying that the Obama administration is more controlling of the press than even Richard Nixon! lol

494 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:41:23am

re: #487 FrogMarch
Well I think it's become acceptable political discourse within the hierarchy of the Democrat party bcause the MSM sees nothing wrong with it and, regrettably, apparently neither do many of the Democrats or at least many if not most of the Democratic Pary Leadership.

495 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:41:44am

re: #411 quiet man

Can we dare hope for a reid/Blago moment?

Reid may be on his way out as Majority Leader anyway. The "filibuster-proof majority" is about to be tested, big time, with the cap & trade bill; the pundits aren't even finding 35 votes in support of it, meaning that a lot of Democrats are ready to jump ship, just as they did in the House. If Reid can't hold his own party together in support of a bill that's of critical importance to the Administration and to the Leftard contingent in Congress, his position as Leader will be in jeopardy. He's already demonstrated a stunning inability to exert any influence, and his normal excuse - "It's the Republican's fault!" - simply doesn't fly anymore now that his party holds clear majorities in both houses.

496 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:43:07am

BBIAM!

497 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:43:13am

re: #488 realwest
Oh yeah. My middle bro has a 17 mo old boy and the look on his face as he held a sparkler with his dad helping was priceless.

498 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:45:09am

re: #493 J.S.
Ha! Helen Thomas calling out Gibbs was funny. Wonder what happens when the "slobbering love affair" hits the rocks? Will the ones admin have an enemies list?

499 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:45:18am

re: #444 wahabicorridor

(Sorry, internet went out for a bit.)

As a national figure of ridicule, unfortunately no. And that's regardless of exactly how much of the flung shit is true if at all. These first impressions of her garnered when she appeared on the national stage almost literally out of nowhere are going to last thanks to the collective memory of the internet-sphere.

500 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:48:27am

He y'all - here is the LGF List - in of course, several parts.
Again, if there are ANY corrections, deletions, changes or additions, please let me know by E-MAIL - my nic, as usual is in bue.

501 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:49:33am

Lizard Prayer List 7/05/09
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope

Seeking Updates
Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.

Part 1 of 3:
Community issues:
Blessing and protection over all of us during these times.
Our government
Our troops
Israel
Georgia/Ossetia
Gilad Schalit, for his release.
The contractors still held hostage
Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice
The Iranian “dissidents”

Thanksgivings
mikeymom: sister recovering from a stroke; D-i-L’s stepdad – throat cancer; and
son of a good friend-50 yrs old- having 1/3 of face removed and reconstructed next week-cancer.
Uncle Rancher: 17-year-old nephew had treatment for melanoma
Afrocity Brown: outpatient surgery went very well
bbuddha: mother-in-law doing much better
HoosierHoops: son Jordan deployed to Japan instead of Afghanistan & grandchild on the way
Vxbush: health issues diagnosed
Wolfie: nephew (USAR-spec ops) got home from Iraq a couple of months ago safe and sound, and he and his wife are expecting their second child.
eschew_obfuscation: family’s health and happiness
Empire1: out of the hospital after suffering a stroke, practically fully recovered
Loppyd: future plans
Irish Rose – Son doing ok and out of danger from illness; automobile problems resolved.
MNSnowlizard - No need for further heart surgery, prayers for her and her family’s good health
Fluffy Bunny – tumor turned out to be benign.
RememberSekhmet – got a job!

502 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:50:11am

Part 2 of 3:
Health issues:
Mikeymom: husband’s cousin's hubby just diagnosed w/lung and brain cancer
Doppelganglander: son
loppyd: Brother’s knee injury and future m-i-l’s broken hip.
vagabond trader: friend’s mother fighting cancer
littleoldlady: talloldman
Pietr: Aunt Doris in hospital with poor prognosis; b-i-l Roscoe undergoing Chemotherapy
J.D.: diagnosed friend's son as having a Glioma
Doppelganglander: Passing of sister, best friend Cindy diagnosed with MS
NY Nana: son-in-law’s mum, recovering from amputation
CapeCoddah: boss John R
Iron Fist: diabetes not improving
yma o hyd: glaucoma; may need surgery; arthritis
ArmyWife: FIL just diagnosed with leukemia; good friend’s daughter dealing with issues.
UberInfidel67 and other Lizards who are trying to quit smoking
Chicago Blonde: friend battling cancer
Macker: health issues and treatment
Hoppes: has sick children, lost her MIL, and is very stressed
UberInfidel67: brother’s health after polyps removal
Aussiemagpie: children with health issues
Walter Cronanty: son with recurrence of leukemia & recovering from bone marrow transplant.
logboy: recovery from injuries received in combat in Iraq
gettinby: sister diagnosed with Sjogren’s Syndrome
Pingjockey – cancer down by voice box.
tfc3rid: gf's 89 year old grandmother (suffered a large stroke and is in rehab) and her uncle who is suffering from throat cancer; and continued prayers for dad who has MS
twincitiesgirl: husband fighting cancer
Cato the elder: health issues
Josephine: daughter diagnosed with rare, chronic illness
jamsler: sister, just diagnosed with thyroid cancer; father, getting biopsy of a possible malignancy in his throat.
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
gop_patriot: friend’s 8-year-old son starting chemo
Pingjockey: friend Bob with a carcinoma, recovering from surgery
jorline: scleritis (eye disease), rheumatoid arthritis; father who has colon cancer
realwest: metastasizing prostate cancer; mom Type II diabetes
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain, having gone from bad to worse
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer

/cont’d

503 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:50:41am

re: #500 realwest
Well done! Bravo Zulu! Thanks from all of us!
I don't care what I'magonnajihad says, you're a fine person RW.
"Well that's what I heard".

504 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:51:11am

Lizard Prayer List, cont’d:
Family, friend, and life situations:
Fat Bastard Vegetarian – Mother’s cancer has returned
Kawfytawk: the Springle family, who lost their father in Iraq.
Dustyvet: sudden loss of sister
loppyd: friend’s personal problems
Kawfytawk: caring for father
Teacake: emotional healing
BaseballMom57: husband’s passing; prayers for especially for their children.
ChildofMary: passing of husband, ElderZionist
US Beast: passing of mother
Vxbush: Lesion on Liver near vein, MRI scheduled; and one Lizard friend dealing with big issues
Army Green since '92: post has lost three soldiers in Afghanistan;
yma o hyd: death of dear friend Annie; ease the grief of friend who lost her husband of 59 years
Taqiyyotomist: strength in difficult times
FBV: that the unknowns find fulfillment
Vxbush: daughter’s financial issues
Yochanan: son in IDF
Bcgirl: sponsored child, Alia in Egypt
Wyatt Earp: Uncle Joe; prostate cancer returned
West Texas: brother’s decision
Victor_yugo: job
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey: mom home from the hospital but may be regressing
A Kiwi Infidel: Natasha and her husband mourning the loss of the younger child.
MandyManners: Mother seriously ill and in hospital.
Cast Iron Magnolia: nephew, David, who's a Marine serving in Iraq
HHC 2-2 SCR: for those we lost and their family and friends and for thanks for those that are finally back and one for the safety of those still waiting to return.
lightsout: to make a wise decision
BeerDrinking VictoryMonkey: strength to overcome a personal issue, and for wisdom in discerning another one
Flynmudd: son deployed to Middle East
x-wing: son diagnosed with Asperger’s (mild autism)
Mars Needs Neocons: job
jcm: new 7th month foster daughter (previous foster daughter went to live with her grandma)
Josephine: painful loss
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Coz: Brother in law and wife in horrible motorcycle accident; wife passed away.
Pvt Bin Jammin – BIL’s son has Liver Cancer
soxfan4life – Uncle had heart attack, undergoing by-pass surgery
Sharmuta - Grandfather in hospital – blood poisoning
3 wood – Dana, friend of 3 wood and family, passed of cancer and is now in the arms of the Lord. Please pray for her 2 small children and husband."

ChristheProfessor – lost his brother to cancer recently.

That's it for this week folks, again, please let me know BY E-MAIL of any changes to The List. Thank you.

505 MPH  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:52:09am

Charles,

How about a floating 160x600 or 125x125 ad down the right or left side of the comments?

I don't think it would be annoying, and for as much time as many of us spend down-threads, click-through rates might be pretty decent.

506 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:52:38am

Ah ha! The coffee smell has woke up the house, that and a little alarm clock about 17 mos. old.
Later folks, y'all have a fine day.

507 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:53:35am

Tiger Woods better get of his butt and peel another eye popper today...he stand a real chance of losing the the Kim kid...Woods needs a solid win to get back on track

508 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:54:59am

re: #499 lazardo

Ann Alhouse's take on it.

I read the Vanity Fair piece.

“Remember,” says Lyda Green, a former Republican state senator who once represented Palin’s home district, and who over the years went from being a supporter of Palin’s to a bitter foe, “her nickname in high school was ‘Barracuda.’ I was never called Barracuda. Were you? There’s a certain instinct there that you go for the jugular.”

Disregarding the fact the Green has been the go-to bitch for lies about Palin since she was nominated, there is not one reference to the fact that the 'Barricuda' nic was in the context of her prowress on the basketball court.

509 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:57:11am

re: #508 wahabicorridor
Yep, "barracuda" was a nicname she got for her basketball playing. But why would you want to disregard the fact the Green has been the go-to bitch for lies about Palin since she was nominated?

510 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:59:04am

re: #509 realwest

Because the point I was trying to make was about Purham's deliberate obfuscation of the facts.

Hey, get this.

CINCINNATI, July 3 (UPI) -- U.S. actor Alec Baldwin says he has been approached about a possible bid for the governor's mansion in Ohio.

What could possibly go wrong?

511 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:00:26am

Leading Clerics Defy Ayatollah on Disputed Iran Election

“This crack in the clerical establishment, and the fact they are siding with the people and Moussavi, in my view is the most historic crack in the 30 years of the Islamic republic,” said Abbas Milani, director of the Iranian Studies Program at Stanford University. “Remember, they are going against an election verified and sanctified by Khamenei.”

The announcement came on a day when Mr. Moussavi released documents detailing a campaign of fraud by the current president’s supporters, and as a close associate of the supreme leader called Mr. Moussavi and former President Mohammad Khatami “foreign agents,” saying they should be treated as criminals.

512 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:01:15am

re: #510 wahabicorridor

He could get blown up, triggering a war between the US and Canada.

/can't believe the original movie's that old already...

513 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:01:38am

re: #510 wahabicorridor

Because the point I was trying to make was about Purham's deliberate obfuscation of the facts.

Hey, get this.

CINCINNATI, July 3 (UPI) -- U.S. actor Alec Baldwin says he has been approached about a possible bid for the governor's mansion in Ohio.

What could possibly go wrong?

Just what we need. More bubble dwelling anti-free market hollywood idiots ruling we, the great unwashed. bow down.

/no matter - The hollywood lib-tards hate capitalism and mock it at every turn. Maybe that idiot Tine Fey can be his running mate?

514 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:02:57am

re: #462 HoosierHoops

Hi there! How is that jet lag working for you?

Not sleeping well at all. Getting maybe 3 hours uninterrupted at most. Otherwise I had a great day on my bil's boat and watched the fireworks.

515 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:03:13am

re: #510 wahabicorridor

Because the point I was trying to make was about Purham's deliberate obfuscation of the facts.

Hey, get this.

CINCINNATI, July 3 (UPI) -- U.S. actor Alec Baldwin says he has been approached about a possible bid for the governor's mansion in Ohio.

What could possibly go wrong?

relocate then run...that I find that trend disturbing

516 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:03:54am

re: #514 Erik The Red

Not sleeping well at all. Getting maybe 3 hours uninterrupted at most. Otherwise I had a great day on my bil's boat and watched the fireworks.

But you survived the plane trip otherwise? Glad you made it for the Fourth!

517 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:05:03am

re: #512 lazardo

*snort*

Well, I guess Howard Kurtz's 'Reliable Sources' has been downgraded to half an hour to give more thime to that twit John King.

518 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:05:09am

re: #510 wahabicorridor
Ah, I forget which one he is (of the Baldwin brothers) and doesn't he live in L.A.!

BTW, please check your e-mail when you get a chance!

519 J.S.  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:05:39am

re: #498 pingjockey

there was a lost of talk about Obama having drawn up an enemies list during the campaign (but is that true or just a rumor? it's anyone's guess.)

Kurtz on CNN's Reliable Sources last week detailed the sniping also between two media people about the Obama administration and its relationship with the press -- Pitney from Huffington Post vs Milbank from WaPo... from the transcript:

KURTZ: A presidential news conference usually proceeds from the AP reporter, to the network correspondents, to the major newspaper writers. But President Obama set off plenty of chatter at this week's presser by giving the second question to a "Huffington Post" blogger. It wasn't just the selection of Nico Pitney -- Obama has called on "The Huffington Post" before -- but the way the president seemed to invite a particular question.
520 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:08:26am

re: #519 J.S.

There was never an "enemies list."

/and we were always at war with Eurasia. q;

521 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:08:33am

re: #515 albusteve

relocate then run...that I find that trend disturbing

We had dust-up in Houston not too long ago over a guy moving across town to try for an easier district. I can't imagine someone "high-profile" moving in for a political run, but we have Hillary as an example in NY.

522 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:09:51am

re: #519 J.S.
Hi there J.S. - I don't know about a list per se, but Obama couldn't help but notice his "friends" in the MSM and his "enemies" in the MSM (there were so few of them to begin with!) and I think it would be almost unnatural for him NOT to favor - consciously or unconsciously - those who "favored" him the most.

523 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:11:40am

McKinney's blockade runner carrying "crayons".

I think they should admit her to Gaza.

/and forget to let her out

524 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:12:07am

re: #518 realwest

Ah, I forget which one he is (of the Baldwin brothers) and doesn't he live in L.A.!

BTW, please check your e-mail when you get a chance!

He's the one who was married to Kim Basinger.

reply sent.

525 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:13:03am

re: #519 J.S.

That pales compared to the 'townhall' mtg in Arlington on health care.

526 jorline  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:14:50am

Good morning everyone.

RW, you have mail.

527 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:16:54am

re: #521 OldLineTexan

We had dust-up in Houston not too long ago over a guy moving across town to try for an easier district. I can't imagine someone "high-profile" moving in for a political run, but we have Hillary as an example in NY.

yeah..I sorta misspoke, it's not really a trend yet

528 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:19:34am

re: #527 albusteve

yeah..I sorta misspoke, it's not really a trend yet

I don't know ... I have a feeling it goes on quietly all the time, just not usually with high-profile "celebrities".

Someone needs to tell Alec that Ohio is still in the US (although it is closer to Europe than LA).

/

529 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:20:03am

re: #523 OldLineTexan

McKinney's blockade runner carrying "crayons".

I think they should admit her to Gaza.

/and forget to let her out

Gaza is Israeli territory...seizing the boat is not illegal...of course you could just make up alot of bullshit and claim otherwise

530 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:21:22am

re: #524 wahabicorridor
Hmm sorry, the one who was married to Kim Bassinger doesn't really help me out - is he the Baldwin who was in the movie "Hunt For Red October"?
Reply received, thank you - and your reply has been replied to!

531 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:21:42am

re: #529 albusteve

Gaza is Israeli territory...seizing the boat is not illegal...of course you could just make up alot of bullshit and claim otherwise

I think you have exposed her legal defense plans ...

532 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:21:44am

re: #522 realwest

realwest, did mamacares ask to be taken off the prayer list? I am not seeing her name in it, but I could be missing it.

533 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:21:57am

re: #526 jorline
AH, so I do - do you mind if I respond later on my friend?

534 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:24:53am

re: #531 OldLineTexan

I think you have exposed her legal defense plans ...

they should fine her and jail her til she pays it...something reasonable but expensive...100k or so

535 jorline  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:25:37am

re: #533 realwest

AH, so I do - do you mind if I respond later on my friend?

Respond when you have time.

I'm kicking back today, yesterday was busy with friends and a big BBQ we hosted. I crawled into bed last night...lol

536 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:26:16am

re: #530 realwest

Hmm sorry, the one who was married to Kim Bassinger doesn't really help me out - is he the Baldwin who was in the movie "Hunt For Red October"?
Reply received, thank you - and your reply has been replied to!


Yes, correct Baldwin. Also on 30 Rock. He is also an idiot.

537 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:27:03am

re: #530 realwest

Baldwin who was in the movie "Hunt For Red October"?

yep!

538 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:28:48am

re: #532 rightside
No, she didn't to my recollection and I don't recall taking her off the list -she was on the List published last Sunday, I think. I'll check with her and make any corrections required. Thanks for the Eagel eyes!

539 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:29:00am

The news out of Iran has slowed down but it seems there's still some action...
tehran 3 july 2009

540 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:29:39am

re: #538 realwest

Thank you!

541 rightymouse  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:30:58am

re: #530 realwest

Hmm sorry, the one who was married to Kim Bassinger doesn't really help me out - is he the Baldwin who was in the movie "Hunt For Red October"?
Reply received, thank you - and your reply has been replied to!

That's the one. Also was in the movie 'Beetle Juice'.

Am crying here since I live in Ohio. HE CAN'T BE SERIOUS!

542 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:31:03am

re: #513 FrogMarch

Just what we need. More bubble dwelling anti-free market hollywood idiots ruling we, the great unwashed. bow down.

/no matter - The hollywood lib-tards hate capitalism and mock it at every turn. Maybe that idiot Tine Fey can be his running mate?

But, but...he's the greatest actor who has ever lived!

(Channeling Team America.)

543 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:31:26am

Oh, goody! Europe is so fucked up.

Nostalgia for East Germany

The political scientist has now compiled a selection of typical letters to document the climate of opinion in which the GDR and unified Germany are discussed in eastern Germany. Some of the material gives a shocking insight into the thoughts of disappointed and angry citizens. "From today's perspective, I believe that we were driven out of paradise when the Wall came down," one person writes, and a 38-year-old man "thanks God" that he was able to experience living in the GDR, noting that it wasn't until after German reunification that he witnessed people who feared for their existence, beggars and homeless people.

Do these people ever wonder why the Wall was there in the first place?

544 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:32:03am
545 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:32:50am

Obama will save us...

"Why Obama's Afghan War is Different"

[Link: www.time.com...]

Spin, spin, spin... unbelievable.

546 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:34:27am

re: #544 Killgore Trout

And yes, I do take some bitterly twisted humor in the fact that MILFs, the KKK and NEDA all mean completely different things here than in the rest of the world.

547 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:35:14am

re: #545 Walter L. Newton

And Time is spinning right down the toilet.

548 doppelganglander  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:36:46am

re: #541 rightymouse

That's the one. Also was in the movie 'Beetle Juice'.

Am crying here since I live in Ohio. HE CAN'T BE SERIOUS!

I hope for your sake and the rest of Ohio he's not serious. I love him on 30 Rock and he should stay there.

In other celebrity self-aggrandizement news, Val Kilmer has talked about running for governor of New Mexico. Paging albusteve...

549 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:37:55am

re: #543 wahabicorridor

Oh, goody! Europe is so fucked up.

Nostalgia for East Germany

Do these people ever wonder why the Wall was there in the first place?

I think the authors neglected to mention that most respondents were former Stasi members, for whom life was good under the old regime.

550 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:38:17am

re: #538 realwest
PIMF: Eagle.
sigh.

551 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:38:21am

re: #546 lazardo

Yeah, there's also a BNP in Sri Lanka. There's an environmental organization called CAIR. It all gets very confusing.

552 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:39:24am

re: #438 wahabicorridor

I see Shanny Moore has apparently removed the allegation of the Feds investigaing Palin from her web site.

No, I won't link to the skank.


The libs are dying for a scandal. Here's an update on situation.

The abruptness of her announcement and the mystery surrounding her plans have fed widespread speculation. But Palin attorney Thomas Van Flein on Saturday warned legal action may be taken against bloggers and publications that reprint what he calls fraudulent claims.

"To the extent several websites, most notably liberal Alaska blogger Shannyn Moore, are now claiming as 'fact' that Governor Palin resigned because she is 'under federal investigation' for embezzlement or other criminal wrongdoing, we will be exploring legal options this week to address such defamation," Van Flein said in a statement. "This is to provide notice to Ms. Moore, and those who re-publish the defamation, such as Huffington Post, MSNBC, the New York Times and The Washington Post, that the Palins will not allow them to propagate defamatory material without answering to this in a court of law."

He also told the Anchorage Daily News that Palin wasn't in any criminal legal jeopardy.

"I can say definitively I am aware of no criminal investigation whatsoever involving Sarah Palin. Zero," he said.

The FBI reiterated that claim Saturday, telling the Los Angeles Times for a story Sunday that the Federal Bureau of Investigation was not investigating Palin's activities as governor, a former mayor or in any other capacity.

Darn. Liberal hopes, dashed. It's not too late for another manufactured scandal, though. Come on holy and precious above-the-law lying libs - think of something!

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

553 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:39:26am

re: #549 SixDegrees

I think the authors neglected to mention that most respondents were former Stasi members, for whom life was good under the old regime.

Two were quoted for the article. The first was 10 yrs old when the Wall came down.

As for the other - well, I think EVERYONE informed for Stasi.

554 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:39:34am

Whoever at TVLAND thought that Born on the Fourth of July is a patriotic movie needs to have her or his head examined.

555 legalpad  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:39:46am

re: #543 wahabicorridor

Oh, goody! Europe is so fucked up.

Nostalgia for East Germany

Do these people ever wonder why the Wall was there in the first place?

I'm sure there's some dictatorship these history re-writers can move to; maybe North Korea. What they don't think about is that they are advocating dictatorship for the rest of us. They can try.

556 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:40:29am

Rise of the Euronazis...
Bomb seizures spark far-right terror plot fear

A network of suspected far-right extremists with access to 300 weapons and 80 bombs has been uncovered by counter-terrorism detectives.

Thirty-two people have been questioned in a police operation that raises the prospect of a right-wing bombing campaign against mosques. Police are said to have recovered a British National party membership card and other right-wing literature during a raid on the home of one suspect charged under the Terrorism Act.
...
Concerns that this might be part of a global trend have been reinforced by the case of James Von Brunn, the 88-year-old white supremacist charged with shooting dead a security guard at the Holocaust museum in America last month.

557 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:40:42am

re: #552 FrogMarch

think of something!

I'm sure Sullivan will come up with something shortly.

558 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:41:06am

re: #552 FrogMarch

"No, we'll sue you for covering shit up! It's called the Freedom of Information Act, or did you forget that under the PATRIOT Act?"

/wait for it...wait for it...

559 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:41:08am

re: #537 wahabicorridor
THAT mofo is thinking about running for Govenor of Ohio? Well, since AL Franken got himself elected, maybe Baldwin will too.
Wonder if actually, ya know, having real world responsibilities will change either one of their worldview?

560 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:41:18am

re: #548 doppelganglander

I hope for your sake and the rest of Ohio he's not serious. I love him on 30 Rock and he should stay there.

In other celebrity self-aggrandizement news, Val Kilmer has talked about running for governor of New Mexico. Paging albusteve...

For some reason, I can't get the image of Mel Brook's Governor William J. Le Petomane from Blazing Saddles out of my head.

561 doppelganglander  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:42:29am

Here's another one of those annoying articles about how the Second Great Depression is actually good for us:

Downturn dating: Hearts flutter as markets stutter

562 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:42:50am

re: #554 MandyManners

Whoever at TVLAND thought that Born on the Fourth of July is a patriotic movie needs to have her or his head examined.

Didn't Oliver Stone direct that?

563 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:43:00am

re: #541 rightymouse
OH righty! I feel so sorry for you - do whatever you can do defeat him then (if he runs and this isn't some bullshit sent up as a trial balloon by a hollywood type).

Course the fact that Al Franken - AL FRANKEN - could get a US Senate seat has sorta made the unthinkable thinkable!

564 legalpad  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:43:33am

re: #562 Cannadian Club Akbar

Didn't Oliver Stone direct that?

Yep.

565 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:43:55am

re: #563 realwest

Course the fact that Al Franken - AL FRANKEN - could get a US Senate seat has sorta made the unthinkable thinkable!

Not when it's coming out of Minnesota. The same state that elected a professional wrestler as their governor. D:

566 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:44:01am

re: #558 lazardo

"No, we'll sue you for covering shit up! It's called the Freedom of Information Act, or did you forget that under the PATRIOT Act?"

/wait for it...wait for it...

What the fuck are you talking about?

567 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:44:09am

re: #552 FrogMarch

Liberal hopes, dashed. It's not too late for another manufactured scandal, though. Come on holy and precious above-the-law lying libs - think of something!

It isn't so much that they were hoping for a scandal but it's really the only thing that makes some sort of sense. If her stated reasons for leaving were true then she come off looking weird and weak. At least a scandal would have made sense. Without the scandal it's just strange.

568 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:44:32am

re: #562 Cannadian Club Akbar

Didn't Oliver Stone direct that?

Yep.

569 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:45:30am

re: #564 legalpad

Yep.

GOOMH

570 rightymouse  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:45:47am

re: #548 doppelganglander

I hope for your sake and the rest of Ohio he's not serious. I love him on 30 Rock and he should stay there.

In other celebrity self-aggrandizement news, Val Kilmer has talked about running for governor of New Mexico. Paging albusteve...

Baldwin can't possibly be serious? What does Mr. Hollywood know about Ohio? Nothing. Zip. Nada. Ditto Kilmer and New Mexico.

571 legalpad  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:46:01am

re: #569 MandyManners

GOOMH

I was gonna say -

572 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:46:02am

re: #554 MandyManners

Whoever at TVLAND thought that Born on the Fourth of July is a patriotic movie needs to have her or his head examined.

Hi Mandy!
Same thing for the song "Born in the USA"!

573 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:46:44am

re: #556 Killgore Trout

It's all over the place. Hungary just outlowed the National Guard (the neo-nazi party's security force) so they hit the streets.

I just finished a great nove The Budapest Protocol.

It was inspired by an actual WWII intelligence report outlining how the Nazis planned to return to power post war via economic and political means. It's called the Red House Report.

574 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:46:44am

re: #571 legalpad

I was gonna say -

Get Out Of My Head.

575 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:46:47am

re: #554 MandyManners

Stone wanted to film the movie in Vietnam, but because relations between the United States and Vietnam had not yet been normalized, it was instead filmed in the Philippines.

A shame that the US normalized diplomatic relations with Vietnam. It'd have been bizarrely funny/cool to have auditioned and played even an "extra" if they came here to shoot a Vietnam war movie again.

/but now they shoot the movies in Thailand, I think?

576 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:47:08am

re: #572 realwest

Hi Mandy!
Same thing for the song "Born in the USA"!

Grinds my teeth.

577 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:47:35am

re: #564 legalpad

re: #568 MandyManners

Oliver Stone also wrote and directed Platoon and Wall Street. Dirty little secret...they are the EXACT same movie.

578 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:48:00am

re: #572 realwest

I think I remember that song, how did the lyrics go again?

579 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:48:01am

re: #575 lazardo

A shame that the US normalized diplomatic relations with Vietnam. It'd have been bizarrely funny/cool to have auditioned and played even an "extra" if they came here to shoot a Vietnam war movie again.

/but now they shoot the movies in Thailand, I think?

I have no idea.

580 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:48:36am

re: #566 FrogMarch

But Palin attorney Thomas Van Flein on Saturday warned legal action may be taken against bloggers and publications that reprint what he calls fraudulent claims.

followed by

Darn. Liberal hopes, dashed. It's not too late for another manufactured scandal, though. Come on holy and precious above-the-law lying libs - think of something!

Just trying to think of what they'd think of in response.

581 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:48:46am

re: #570 rightymouse

Baldwin can't possibly be serious? What does Mr. Hollywood know about Ohio? Nothing. Zip. Nada. Ditto Kilmer and New Mexico.

Except I think Kilmer actually lives in NM

582 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:49:32am

re: #567 Killgore Trout

It isn't so much that they were hoping for a scandal but it's really the only thing that makes some sort of sense. If her stated reasons for leaving were true then she come off looking weird and weak. At least a scandal would have made sense. Without the scandal it's just strange.

Are you speaking for fellow libs? I think there isn't any doubt that most, if not all, leftist-liberals were hoping for a scandal; salivating over the possibility.

I agree with Vodka Pundit on this one.

583 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:49:44am

re: #577 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #568 MandyManners

Oliver Stone also wrote and directed Platoon and Wall Street. Dirty little secret...they are the EXACT same movie.

Amazing how that little fucker has made a mint trashing America.

584 doppelganglander  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:49:53am

re: #570 rightymouse

Baldwin can't possibly be serious? What does Mr. Hollywood know about Ohio? Nothing. Zip. Nada. Ditto Kilmer and New Mexico.

Kilmer is from New Mexico and I think he has a house in Santa Fe. Baldwin, I have no idea - I think he's from Long Island.

585 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:49:54am

re: #580 lazardo

Just trying to think of what they'd think of in response.

oh! sorry.

586 rightymouse  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:50:38am

re: #563 realwest

OH righty! I feel so sorry for you - do whatever you can do defeat him then (if he runs and this isn't some bullshit sent up as a trial balloon by a hollywood type).

Course the fact that Al Franken - AL FRANKEN - could get a US Senate seat has sorta made the unthinkable thinkable!

I still can't believe that half the voters in Minnesota are that cracked in the head that they'd vote for a freaking COMEDIAN as Senator!

Oh, wait. He'll be in the Senate, right?

Never mind...

587 J.S.  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:51:27am

re: #522 realwest

yeah...but (for some people) the Obama administration is way, way out of line when it comes to the press...I think it's over the top to have the Obama administration phoning a blogger and making arrangements with said blogger (ie, what questions the blogger is "invited" to ask the President, etc.) for a so-called "press conference." That sounds more like propaganda...at the very least it is unduly manipulative.

588 doppelganglander  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:51:39am

re: #572 realwest

Hi Mandy!
Same thing for the song "Born in the USA"!

Exactly! I was watching the local fireworks on TV last night and they played it. They also played that Martina McBride song that Sean Hannity uses as his theme song, and that's about killing your abusive husband.

589 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:52:04am

re: #578 rightside
I don't remember - must have thrown it out with other trash to make some more HD in my head!
But y'all could look it up or listen to it if you chose to.

590 rightymouse  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:52:52am

re: #581 wahabicorridor

Except I think Kilmer actually lives in NM

All year round?

591 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:52:52am

re: #585 FrogMarch

I will admit though, I do think Palin made a rather decent governor that was too "new" to face all the exposure of a presidential-level campaign, but the resulting shitstorm (before AND after the election) was definitely an extremely low blow...and may have been too much for her to take.

592 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:52:55am

re: #577 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #568 MandyManners

Oliver Stone also wrote and directed Platoon and Wall Street. Dirty little secret...they are the EXACT same movie.


Um, excuse me but could you explain that to me?

593 legalpad  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:53:22am

re: #577 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #568 MandyManners

Oliver Stone also wrote and directed Platoon and Wall Street. Dirty little secret...they are the EXACT same movie.

I think all his movies are the same. Alexander the Great should have been titled "Alexander the Gay".

594 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:53:38am

re: #590 rightymouse

All year round?

dunno

595 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:56:00am

re: #591 lazardo

I will admit though, I do think Palin made a rather decent governor that was too "new" to face all the exposure of a presidential-level campaign, but the resulting shitstorm (before AND after the election) was definitely an extremely low blow...and may have been too much for her to take.

Agreed.
She was a popular governor and a rising star. She rose too fast and she dared mock the holy jesus jr. (that's a big no-no in the modern era of the pro-DNC media) Now with quitting, she's managed to shoot herself in the foot.

596 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:56:14am

re: #593 legalpad

I think all his movies are the same.

Not as good as the originals?

597 rightymouse  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:57:05am

re: #594 wahabicorridor

dunno


Apparently, he owns a ranch there & it's up for sale.

598 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:57:06am

re: #587 J.S.
"That sounds more like propaganda...at the very least it is unduly manipulative."
No argument from me, but I'm sure someone will come along and show that Bush did the same thing (which, if Bush did, still wouldn't make what Obama did correct).

599 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:57:36am

gotta hop - later lizards

600 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:58:33am

re: #582 FrogMarch

I agree with Vodka Pundit on this one.


Yeah, not good no matter how this turns out. However, the fact that she was chased out of office by comedians and bloggers or the job was simply too difficult is actually worse than a scandal.
I feel more confident than ever that my decision to not vote for McCain/Palin was the right choice. She was much further out of her league than even I thought. She wasn't even in the ballpark. Not even close.

601 Dar ul Harbarian  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:59:06am

How about a Earworm for this morning?

602 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:59:16am

re: #590 rightymouse
I think so, except maybe when he's on location for a movie or something. Yeah, Kilmer has lived in New Mexico for a while now.

603 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:59:44am

re: #592 realwest

Um, excuse me but could you explain that to me?

Sure.
Platoon- young kid in a new place, 2 father figures, one good, one bad
Wall Street- young kid in a new place, 2 father figures, one good, one bad
Platoon- set in the jungle of Viet Nam
Wall Street- set in the jungle of high finance
Both written and directed by Stone
Both stared Charlie Sheen
Same basic story line, just changed the location
Writers do it all the time.

604 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:00:31am

re: #599 wahabicorridor

Cheers.

605 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:02:29am

re: #603 Cannadian Club Akbar So how come, as a Vietnam Vet, I was SO PISSED OFF at Stone for Platoon and just thought Wall Street was a ho-hum movie who's message really was "Greed is good"?

606 J.S.  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:02:53am

re: #598 realwest

hmmm...I wonder if Bush ever did something similar...(Bush, iirc, seemed to keep quite a distance from the press...didn't have many fawning, drooling sycophants, anyway..) (After Obama gained the leadership or the Democratic party, but before Obama became President, Begala on CNN compared Obama to Jesus...)

607 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:03:38am

re: #603 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sure.
Platoon- young kid in a new place, 2 father figures, one good, one bad
Wall Street- young kid in a new place, 2 father figures, one good, one bad
Platoon- set in the jungle of Viet Nam
Wall Street- set in the jungle of high finance
Both written and directed by Stone
Both stared Charlie Sheen
Same basic story line, just changed the location
Writers do it all the time.

Who nukes the ice cream in Platoon?

608 ryannon  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:04:52am

re: #142 gmsc

They've been out of the limelight for decades . . . forgotten . . . left behind . . . unloved, and living in unimaginable conditions, that you can't imagine.

NOW, the retirement is over . . .

[Video]

Families of the Famous: Celebrity is not always guaranteed.

609 rightymouse  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:05:14am

re: #602 realwest

I think so, except maybe when he's on location for a movie or something. Yeah, Kilmer has lived in New Mexico for a while now.

Wonder if he's going to buy something else if he's able to sell his ranch?

610 dmandman  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:05:58am

re: #606 J.S.

who was the one who called him GOD? That is beyond unprofessional and is proselytizing a religion. That reporter should have been bounced off the air...but his bosses all belonged to the same religion and though nothing unusual about it.

611 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:05:59am

re: #605 realwest

So how come, as a Vietnam Vet, I was SO PISSED OFF at Stone for Platoon and just thought Wall Street was a ho-hum movie who's message really was "Greed is good"?


I'm not saying what was good or bad. Just pointing out structure of a screenplay.

612 legalpad  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:06:08am

re: #596 lazardo

Well, I guess you have to sort through his movies to watch for cultural commentary.

613 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:07:48am

re: #609 rightymouse

Wonder if he's going to buy something else if he's able to sell his ranch?


Sorry righty, but I have no idea - all I know about him is his roles and a write up about him somewhere just as "Tombstone" was about to be released in movie theaters.
BTW, I thought he was the BEST actor in that movie and, iirc, the article said that Kilmer had been a long time resident of NM.

614 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:07:48am

This is interesting:

Saudis give nod to Israeli raid on Iran

The head of Mossad, Israel’s overseas intelligence service, has assured Benjamin Netanyahu, its prime minister, that Saudi Arabia would turn a blind eye to Israeli jets flying over the kingdom during any future raid on Iran’s nuclear sites.

Earlier this year Meir Dagan, Mossad’s director since 2002, held secret talks with Saudi officials to discuss the possibility.

. . .


“The Saudis have tacitly agreed to the Israeli air force flying through their airspace on a mission which is supposed to be in the common interests of both Israel and Saudi Arabia,” a diplomatic source said last week.

Although the countries have no formal diplomatic relations, an Israeli defence source confirmed that Mossad maintained “working relations” with the Saudis.

John Bolton, the former US ambassador to the United Nations who recently visited the Gulf, said it was “entirely logical” for the Israelis to use Saudi airspace.

Bolton, who has talked to several Arab leaders, added: “None of them would say anything about it publicly but they would certainly acquiesce in an overflight if the Israelis didn’t trumpet it as a big success.”

Arab states would condemn a raid when they spoke at the UN but would be privately relieved to see the threat of an Iranian bomb removed, he said.

615 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:10:30am

re: #610 dmandman

who was the one who called him GOD? That is beyond unprofessional and is proselytizing a religion. That reporter should have been bounced off the air...but his bosses all belonged to the same religion and though nothing unusual about it.

Paul Begala is not a reporter. He was a FOB.

616 DEZes  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:11:13am

re: #614 reine.de.tout

This is definitely thread worthy news.

617 rightymouse  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:11:25am

re: #613 realwest

Sorry righty, but I have no idea - all I know about him is his roles and a write up about him somewhere just as "Tombstone" was about to be released in movie theaters.
BTW, I thought he was the BEST actor in that movie and, iirc, the article said that Kilmer had been a long time resident of NM.

I should have checked on Kilmer before I said what I did, but I do know that Baldwin has nothing to do with Ohio unless he snuck in recently.

618 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:11:34am

re: #605 realwest

So how come, as a Vietnam Vet, I was SO PISSED OFF at Stone for Platoon and just thought Wall Street was a ho-hum movie who's message really was "Greed is good"?

Those are the only two Oliver Stone movies I can actually sit all the way through. Wall Street was pretty good IMHO. Platoon was an ok movie but a little too PC for me. (Willem Dafoe was great as always though)

The only other thing I've ever liked from old Ollie was his screenplay in Midnight Express. That was a pretty good movie.

619 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:11:39am

re: #614 reine.de.tout

This is interesting:

Saudis give nod to Israeli raid on Iran

This is not the first time I've heard of the Saudis' willingness to let the Israelis take care of the Persian Peril.

620 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:12:40am

re: #614 reine.de.tout

I'm still all "...what?" at the whole thing. Then again maybe the Saudis (and other countries in the area) don't want a nuke-happy Iran to scare away all their foreign investments.

621 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:12:43am

re: #615 MandyManners

Paul Begala is not a reporter. He wasIS a FOB jerk.

622 Ms. MacIceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:12:57am

re: #587 J.S.

yeah...but (for some people) the Obama administration is way, way out of line when it comes to the press...I think it's over the top to have the Obama administration phoning a blogger and making arrangements with said blogger (ie, what questions the blogger is "invited" to ask the President, etc.) for a so-called "press conference." That sounds more like propaganda...at the very least it is unduly manipulative.

About the HuffPo blogger Nico Pitney--
Pitney had been doing stellar coverage of Iran (even charles linked him IIRC). Pitney was soliciting questions from Iranians, 'What would you like to see someone ask Obama?" The WH called him and said they were interested in getting a question from actual Iranians, and told him they *may* be calling on him for the presser.

Pitney blogged about all this in real time, so there was no coverup.The question wasn't known to the WH beforehand. In fact Obama did call on Pitney, second, IIRC, and he asked his question-- it was actually the hardest question Obama got asked at the presser:

"Under which conditions would you accept the election of Ahmadinejad, and if you do accept it without any significant changes in the conditions there isn't that a betrayal of what the demonstrators there are working for?"


---and Obama ducked answering it.

The frothing and screeching from tools like Dana Milbank about this are about the old MSM being pissy that the new media is displacing them.

(BTW, note that I'm not saying that the press ISN'T in love with Obama-- just pointing out that Pitney in this case didn't do anything wrong at all, and the old MSM is having a hissy fit.)

623 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:13:21am

re: #619 MandyManners

This is not the first time I've heard of the Saudis' willingness to let the Israelis take care of the Persian Peril.

Hey, they let us take care of Kuwait/Iraq, too.

And look how well that turned out, and how helpful they've been since.

/

624 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:13:21am

re: #614 reine.de.tout
Well I'm sure glad the TimesOnLine saw fit to publish that article.
Just what ShortShit needs - an excuse to "defend Iran" from the dirty rotten jew collaborating Saudi's!

625 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:13:29am

The Jewish Juggernaut takes on the Persian Peril.

626 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:13:45am

re: #621 Desert Dog

Ayup.

627 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:14:09am

re: #614 reine.de.tout

This is interesting:

Saudis give nod to Israeli raid on Iran

Yes, and what is very disturbing is that Obama would probably side with the Iranians if Israel did do something.

628 doppelganglander  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:15:25am

re: #605 realwest

So how come, as a Vietnam Vet, I was SO PISSED OFF at Stone for Platoon and just thought Wall Street was a ho-hum movie who's message really was "Greed is good"?

Maybe you had a more personal, emotional reaction to Platoon because of your experiences as a vet. Canadian Club Ackbar's analysis is spot on. Star Wars has the same structure - Luke has two father figures, one good (Obi-Wan Kenobi) and one bad (Darth Vader) and must choose whom to follow.

629 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:15:34am

re: #623 OldLineTexan

Hey, they let us take care of Kuwait/Iraq, too.

And look how well that turned out, and how helpful they've been since.

/

Every single time I fill up my car, I mutter something along the lines of "fucking oil ticks".

630 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:15:51am

re: #614 reine.de.tout

Arab states would condemn a raid when they spoke at the UN but would be privately relieved to see the threat of an Iranian bomb removed, he said.

I think that's been an "open secret" for quite sometime. Even though Saddam is gone I'm sure the Iraqis are nervous too. They might get nuked even before Israel. India and Pakistan are within easy range of crappy Iranian missiles. I don't think anyone in the region would really be upset if Iran lost its nuclear program.

631 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:15:58am

re: #625 MandyManners

The Jewish Juggernaut takes on the Persian Peril.

LLLET'S GET READY TO RUMBLLL~

632 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:18:23am

re: #631 lazardo

LLLET'S GET READY TO RUMBLLL~

WWF on USA!

633 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:19:08am

re: #627 Desert Dog

Yes, and what is very disturbing is that Obama would probably side with the Iranians if Israel did do something.

Well, he might or might not, I find it hard to predict.

Which is exactly what's so problematic for me - I find I cannot trust that he will do the right thing.

634 legalpad  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:20:17am

re: #625 MandyManners

The Jewish Juggernaut takes on the Persian Peril.

Very good!

635 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:21:22am

re: #627 Desert Dog

Yes, and what is very disturbing is that Obama would probably side with the Iranians if Israel did do something.


Actually, I think he'd do the same thing he did with the "dissidents" in Iran - vote "present".

636 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:21:31am

re: #630 Killgore Trout

I think that's been an "open secret" for quite sometime. Even though Saddam is gone I'm sure the Iraqis are nervous too. They might get nuked even before Israel. India and Pakistan are within easy range of crappy Iranian missiles. I don't think anyone in the region would really be upset if Iran lost its nuclear program.

I'm sure it has been an "open secret", although I haven't read much about it, it does stand to reason that a nation just might find it behooves them to have a private stance that's at odds with its public stance.

637 J.S.  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:22:18am

re: #622 iceweasel

I believe you're missing the point here. This isn't about "old MSM" vs "bloggers" -- it's about an Administration phoning up people (even if it's a NY times reporter, I don't care) prior to a press conference and doing a little "tête-à-tête". Typicially that's only done in non-democratic states without a free press.

Might add that I also do not appreciate the townhall meetings with Obama (Dear Leader) and his begging petitioners who ask/beg for favors...again, that's the behavior of a Stalin, a Castro, a Chairman Mao granting special dispensations to those who fawn or shower Dear Leader with accolades. Shouldn't be necessary in a mature democracy where everyone is created EQUAL.

638 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:23:34am

re: #637 J.S.

I believe you're missing the point here. This isn't about "old MSM" vs "bloggers" -- it's about an Administration phoning up people (even if it's a NY times reporter, I don't care) prior to a press conference and doing a little "tête-à-tête". Typicially that's only done in non-democratic states without a free press.

Might add that I also do not appreciate the townhall meetings with Obama (Dear Leader) and his begging petitioners who ask/beg for favors...again, that's the behavior of a Stalin, a Castro, a Chairman Mao granting special dispensations to those who fawn or shower Dear Leader with accolades. Shouldn't be necessary in a mature democracy where everyone is created EQUAL.

Big upding.

639 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:23:41am

re: #633 reine.de.tout

Well, he might or might not, I find it hard to predict.

Which is exactly what's so problematic for me - I find I cannot trust that he will do the right thing.

So far, his judgment has been 100% wrong. I can just see him condemning Israel for blowing up the Iranians nuke facilities, can't you? It would interrupt his grand and glorious plan to negotiate with the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Iranian Protesters - WRONG
Honduras - WRONG
Israel and Iran -?

640 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:24:01am

re: #634 legalpad

Very good!

*curtsy*

641 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:24:31am

re: #628 doppelganglander

Maybe you had a more personal, emotional reaction to Platoon because of your experiences as a vet. Canadian Club Ackbar's analysis is spot on. Star Wars has the same structure - Luke has two father figures, one good (Obi-Wan Kenobi) and one bad (Darth Vader) and must choose whom to follow.


George Lucas also injected some of his religious beliefs in Star Wars.

642 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:24:57am

re: #637 J.S.

I believe you're missing the point here. This isn't about "old MSM" vs "bloggers" -- it's about an Administration phoning up people (even if it's a NY times reporter, I don't care) prior to a press conference and doing a little "tête-à-tête". Typicially that's only done in non-democratic states without a free press.

Might add that I also do not appreciate the townhall meetings with Obama (Dear Leader) and his begging petitioners who ask/beg for favors...again, that's the behavior of a Stalin, a Castro, a Chairman Mao granting special dispensations to those who fawn or shower Dear Leader with accolades. Shouldn't be necessary in a mature democracy where everyone is created EQUAL.

AHA! a creationist! caught you!

///

643 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:25:22am

re: #632 MandyManners

IN THIS COR-NAH...

644 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:26:13am

re: #641 Cannadian Club Akbar

George Lucas also injected some of his religious beliefs in Star Wars.

Yes, a bow and prayer to the all-mighty dollar...OH, you mean the Jedi bits, sorry

645 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:26:36am

re: #641 Cannadian Club Akbar

George Lucas also injected some of his religious beliefs in Star Wars.

So I've heard. But we all know who the cooler faction was.

646 Ms. MacIceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:26:54am

re: #637 J.S.

I believe you're missing the point here. This isn't about "old MSM" vs "bloggers" -- it's about an Administration phoning up people (even if it's a NY times reporter, I don't care) prior to a press conference and doing a little "tête-à-tête".

But they didn't do a tête-à-tête. Not in this case (I can't tell you about others, only this one). That is the point.

And the screeching over it in the MSM is all about the MSM having a hissy fit about being displaced.

647 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:27:12am

re: #614 reine.de.tout

This is interesting:

Saudis give nod to Israeli raid on Iran

I'm pretty sure something like this happened at the time of the raid on the Osirak reactor in 1981. There is just no way an F-16 carrying 2 2000 lb bombs could make a 1200 mile flight almost entirely at low level without refueling en route. Air to air refueling is impossible at very low altitudes, btw.
The flight is possible if a significant part were at high altitude where fuel burn is much lower. I think the attackers transited northern SA and part of Jordan at high altitude, the locals looked the other way, and the flight went to low level only when they entered Iraqi air space.
It is also possible there was some kind of Iranian collusion.

648 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:27:26am

re: #639 Desert Dog

So far, his judgment has been 100% wrong. I can just see him condemning Israel for blowing up the Iranians nuke facilities, can't you? It would interrupt his grand and glorious plan to negotiate with the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Iranian Protesters - WRONG
Honduras - WRONG
Israel and Iran -?

I'm afraid you are correct.
Although I hope you aren't.

649 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:27:35am

re: #637 J.S.

I believe you're missing the point here. This isn't about "old MSM" vs "bloggers" -- it's about an Administration phoning up people (even if it's a NY times reporter, I don't care) prior to a press conference and doing a little "tête-à-tête". Typicially that's only done in non-democratic states without a free press.

Might add that I also do not appreciate the townhall meetings with Obama (Dear Leader) and his begging petitioners who ask/beg for favors...again, that's the behavior of a Stalin, a Castro, a Chairman Mao granting special dispensations to those who fawn or shower Dear Leader with accolades. Shouldn't be necessary in a mature democracy where everyone is created EQUAL.

You need the sobbing hard luck case as well...to pull the heart strings. This guy is as slick as goose grease.

650 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:30:29am

re: #643 lazardo

IN THIS COR-NAH...


LOL!

651 VioletTiger  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:30:45am

re: #637 J.S.
There is way too much 'staging' going on behind the scenes. A free press is part of the foundation of a democracy. The fact that we are slowly losing ours should concern everyone, both right and left. At this point, the press appears to favor the left, however, can anyone guarantee that will continue? I think we are all losers with the direction the media is going.

652 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:31:09am

re: #646 iceweasel

But they didn't do a tête-à-tête. Not in this case (I can't tell you about others, only this one). That is the point.

And the screeching over it in the MSM is all about the MSM having a hissy fit about being displaced.

THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT.

653 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:32:06am

re: #646 iceweasel

But they didn't do a tête-à-tête. Not in this case (I can't tell you about others, only this one). That is the point.

And the screeching over it in the MSM is all about the MSM having a hissy fit about being displaced.

tête-à-tête

a private conversation or interview, usually between two people.

from your 622:

Pitney had been doing stellar coverage of Iran (even charles linked him IIRC). Pitney was soliciting questions from Iranians, 'What would you like to see someone ask Obama?" The WH called him and said they were interested in getting a question from actual Iranians, and told him they *may* be calling on him for the presser.

There apparently was a private conversation, regardless of the content of the conversation. And JS (and I) find it odd.

654 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:32:29am

re: #647 shiplord kirel

I'm pretty sure something like this happened at the time of the raid on the Osirak reactor in 1981. There is just no way an F-16 carrying 2 2000 lb bombs could make a 1200 mile flight almost entirely at low level without refueling en route. Air to air refueling is impossible at very low altitudes, btw.
The flight is possible if a significant part were at high altitude where fuel burn is much lower. I think the attackers transited northern SA and part of Jordan at high altitude, the locals looked the other way, and the flight went to low level only when they entered Iraqi air space.
It is also possible there was some kind of Iranian collusion.

The Iranians learned something from that raid though. That you should not put all your nuclear eggs in one basket. Even if Israel launched a massive air assault, there is little chance they will destroy it all or any of it. I would imagine it's in deep reinforced bunkers. They need penetrating bombs and I think the USA is the only country with that type of munition?
At least it would slow the Iranians down a little. Scary world we live in these days.

655 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:32:47am

re: #649 Desert Dog

You need the sobbing hard luck case as well...to pull the heart strings. This guy is as slick as goose grease.

And, who was the sobbing, hard-luck case that day?

656 Ms. MacIceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:33:02am

re: #651 VioletTiger

There is way too much 'staging' going on behind the scenes. A free press is part of the foundation of a democracy. The fact that we are slowly losing ours should concern everyone, both right and left. At this point, the press appears to favor the left, however, can anyone guarantee that will continue? I think we are all losers with the direction the media is going.

Absolutely. My point in responding to the Pitney issue is that on this question, nothing inappropriate appears to have gone on.

Unfortunately all WH's stage their events to some extent. This is very bad for everyone, as you mention; we all lose.

(BTW, I'm not a fan of the townhall events either).

657 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:33:17am

re: #651 VioletTiger

There is way too much 'staging' going on behind the scenes. . . .

Egg-zactly.

658 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:33:34am

re: #639 Desert Dog
Hey there Desert Dog - I STILL don't understand why Obama took the position he did with regard to Honduras.
I know it's hard cause I'm thick as a brick these days, but could you explain it to me? I mean, as I understand it:
a) Zeyala was the democratically elected President
b) Honduras' Constitutuion explicity forbids anyone from seeking to change the term limits set forth therein.
c) Zeyala then holds a referendum the effect of which would be to ignore the Honduran Constitution so, a la Hugo Chavez, he could perhaps make himself president for life
d) The Honduran Supreme Court said No, you can't have a referendum on this; the consitution is clear, no removal of term limits and, also as per the Honduran Constitution anyone who tries to mess with it, automatically gets bounced out of public office (and can't hold public office for at least 10 years) and orders the Honduran Military to arrest him.
e) Honduran military arrests Zeyala and he goes packing off to Costa Rica.
f) the Honduran democratically elected Congress appoints the head of that Congress as temporary President.
g) the Army withdrew and Honduras is now under civilian rule.
If the foregoing is correct, why did Obama denounce it?
Or do I just need more caffine?

659 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:33:38am

re: #655 MandyManners

And, who was the sobbing, hard-luck case that day?

That lady at the "Townhall", telling Obama about her insurance woes

660 legalpad  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:34:07am

re: #652 MandyManners

THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT.

Ouch! Yelling on Sunday morning?

661 GGMac  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:34:45am

re: #617 rightymouse

I should have checked on Kilmer before I said what I did, but I do know that Baldwin has nothing to do with Ohio unless he snuck in recently.

The Baldwin littermates originated in Massapequa, NY - out on Long Island; matriarcal home is still there, IIRC.

662 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:35:03am

Russian MSM view of the Tea Parties...
US Independence Day marred by Tea Party protests

663 Ms. MacIceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:35:30am

re: #653 reine.de.tout

There apparently was a private conversation, regardless of the content of the conversation. And JS (and I) find it odd.

Unfortunately, from what I've gathered so far, it isn't unusual for WH's to have reporters know in advance that they may be called on, or what the general topic might be.

There's a certain level of staging that seems to be inherent to the system, which I've already said is a very bad thing. Personally, I think it'd be better if such things never happened-- no matter who is in office.

664 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:36:14am

Paulian view of the Tea Parties...
Neocon audience + Libertarian Speakers = Interesting Tea Party

So I decided to go to the July 4th Tea Party at the capitol in CT. The event was pretty interesting. It was set up by a libertarian and the speakers included several libertarians as well as Peter Schiff himself as the keynote.

One of the earlier speakers started talking about debt, cap and trade, universal healthcare, and was receiving applause from the audience. And then he started talking about the War on Drugs.

He spoke about the large incarceration rate and how most of them are for drug offenders. He suggested rethinking our drug policy. The crowd did not like this. They started booing, hissing, and shouting at him. "How about we execute the drug offenders!" That one was particularly disturbing. As the crowd kept booing, and myself and maybe one other person were clapping, he continued with a slight grin on his face until he was finished.

The next speaker decided to bring up foreign policy. "We can't be the world's policeman!" This started back up the booing. "By wasting our resources in far off wars we are less safe, and right where the terrorists want us." The crowd was booing and even throwing stuff. They started chanting "USA, USA!".

Several in the audience were also upset when a speaker talked negatively about Bush. "This is not a bash Bush rally!" "He was spending money keeping us safe!"

The crowd decreased in size quite significantly by the time Peter Schiff spoke which was disappointing.

665 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:36:16am

re: #600 Killgore Trout

Not me. I'll gladly vote for an imperfect (R) before I vote for any candidate on the lying, fraudulent, corrupt, destructive, economically inept, anti-free market, isolationist, hypocritical, nanny-state neo-Marxist crypto-socialist left.
2 millions jobs lost since Stimulus was signed. oh well.

We all get one vote.
(except Acorn's dead people and cartoon characters)

666 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:36:44am

re: #658 realwest

Hey there Desert Dog - I STILL don't understand why Obama took the position he did with regard to Honduras.
I know it's hard cause I'm thick as a brick these days, but could you explain it to me? I mean, as I understand it:
a) Zeyala was the democratically elected President
b) Honduras' Constitutuion explicity forbids anyone from seeking to change the term limits set forth therein.
c) Zeyala then holds a referendum the effect of which would be to ignore the Honduran Constitution so, a la Hugo Chavez, he could perhaps make himself president for life
d) The Honduran Supreme Court said No, you can't have a referendum on this; the consitution is clear, no removal of term limits and, also as per the Honduran Constitution anyone who tries to mess with it, automatically gets bounced out of public office (and can't hold public office for at least 10 years) and orders the Honduran Military to arrest him.
e) Honduran military arrests Zeyala and he goes packing off to Costa Rica.
f) the Honduran democratically elected Congress appoints the head of that Congress as temporary President.
g) the Army withdrew and Honduras is now under civilian rule.
If the foregoing is correct, why did Obama denounce it?
Or do I just need more caffine?

That is not a coup. A Coup is when the military takes over from a civilian government with the intent of ruling themselves. In this instance, the military was ordered by the legislature to remove the president for attempting to have an illegal and unconstitutional election, designed to make him President for Life. I cannot understand why Obama is siding with Zeyala right now. He was elected, but he wants to usurp the democratic process in Honduras now. Who the hell is advising him on this matter? Hugo or Fidel?

667 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:36:44am

re: #662 Killgore Trout

In (post-)Soviet Russia, Protest Teabags YOU!

/okay, that was so wrong.

668 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:37:02am

re: #659 Desert Dog

That lady at the "Townhall", telling Obama about her insurance woes

Wasn't she the one who works for a pro-FCBBHO advocacy organization?

669 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:37:31am

re: #660 legalpad

Ouch! Yelling on Sunday morning?

Oops. Sorry to offend.

670 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:37:42am

re: #656 iceweasel

Absolutely. My point in responding to the Pitney issue is that on this question, nothing inappropriate appears to have gone on. . . .

Perhaps nothing inappropriate went on in this case.
But the fact that this administration seems to have a habit of having these private conversations with members of the press is something I find disturbing. The conversations are private, so by their very nature, we don't know what's going on in them.

671 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:38:12am

re: #668 MandyManners

Wasn't she the one who works for a pro-FCBBHO advocacy organization?

yes, that is my point. That entire thing was staged for the simpled minded

672 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:38:21am

re: #654 Desert Dog Yes but you don't need to destroy those bunkers, just make it difficult (and with continued attention, impossible) for anyone to get in or out of those bunkers.
That the Israel's could certainly do.

673 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:38:44am

re: #671 Desert Dog

yes, that is my point. That entire thing was staged for the simpled minded

and again, egg-zactly.

674 callahan23  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:39:11am

re: #658 realwest

Excellent summation there realwest. I agree 100%.
How are you doing today?

Good morning, day, afternoon, evening, night, Lizardia!

675 doppelganglander  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:39:29am

re: #641 Cannadian Club Akbar

George Lucas also injected some of his religious beliefs in Star Wars.

He basically stole from Joseph Campbell's "Hero with a Thousand Faces." I actually enjoyed that book a lot. I had a class in college in which every work we studied was a variation on the Hero's Journey. It's a remarkably persistent theme across world literature.

676 legalpad  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:39:32am

re: #669 MandyManners

Oops. Sorry to offend.

No offense. That couldn't happen. It just hurts my virtual ears.

677 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:39:36am

re: #671 Desert Dog

yes, that is my point. That entire thing was staged for the simpled minded

When uber-lib Helen Thomas is complaining about it, something is wrong.

678 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:40:06am

re: #659 Desert Dog

That lady at the "Townhall", telling Obama about her insurance woes

JCM posted this the other day.

679 J.S.  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:40:07am

re: #646 iceweasel

Where's your evidence that they "didn't do a tête-à-tête?" They had a get-together prior to the press conference -- that's an uncontested fact. Now the degree to which they made their "arrangements" -- that may be subject to dispute. But it's not disputed that they got together. And that's the problem -- it's also about the perceptions...(perceptions are, oftentimes, just as important as "what is" or "what actually transpires." that's one of the reasons why trials are not conducted behind closed doors.)

680 dmandman  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:40:27am

re: #677 FrogMarch

She wasn't first in line ...that's all.

681 VioletTiger  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:40:38am

re: #656 iceweasel

Absolutely. My point in responding to the Pitney issue is that on this question, nothing inappropriate appears to have gone on.

Unfortunately all WH's stage their events to some extent. This is very bad for everyone, as you mention; we all lose.

(BTW, I'm not a fan of the townhall events either).

The Obama Whitehouse has taken staging to a new level. Even some reporters are starting to question this, especially with the Town Halls.

I don't think any of us should dismiss this. This is not about the MSM resenting bloggers or internet news sites. This is about the manipulation of the press and the news in general. Right now, the press seems to be going willingly wherever Obama may lead. We are among the relative few in this country who are paying attenion. How many of our country men and women really follow the news this closely?

A critical eye, from both sides, is required.

682 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:40:51am

re: #667 lazardo

In (post-)Soviet Russia, Protest Teabags YOU!

/okay, that was so wrong.

Ha!

683 callahan23  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:41:14am

re: #666 Desert Dog

... Who the hell is advising him on this matter? Hugo or Fidel?

The unholy Troika of Hugo, Fidel and the State Department.

684 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:41:51am

re: #666 Desert Dog

Down in those parts of the world, if it's not a democratic election or a succession (e.g. Fidel to Raul), there's only one other way to describe that sort of transfer of power.

It's gotten to be a habit, almost a reflex.

685 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:44:03am

re: #672 realwest

Yes but you don't need to destroy those bunkers, just make it difficult (and with continued attention, impossible) for anyone to get in or out of those bunkers.
That the Israel's could certainly do.

I hope that happens...either way, its a tough road to trod. Let them get the nukes and they are a menace. Attack them and they go crazy in the Gulf of Arabia and the Straight of Hormuz. I hope Israel kicks them in the teeth HARD

686 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:44:06am

re: #666 Desert Dog
Thank you - I don't understand it either. If it was a military coup, I could understand Obama's stance. But it clearly wasn't - the military were merely the tool used by the Honduran Supreme Court to enforce it's ruling - and I read somewhere that the Honduran Supreme Court has now issued an "arrest on sight" against him since he said he's going back to Honduras to "fight" for his rights.
I. Just. Don't. Get. It.

687 Ms. MacIceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:44:25am

re: #670 reine.de.tout

Perhaps nothing inappropriate went on in this case.
But the fact that this administration seems to have a habit of having these private conversations with members of the press is something I find disturbing. The conversations are private, so by their very nature, we don't know what's going on in them.

So far, from what I've learned, it isn't (yet) a break with Bush policies. I thought it was wrong then, and I still think it's wrong.

In the Pitney case, part of why it seems clear that Obama didn't know what the question would be is because he gave no kind of answer to it! (msnbc has the video).

Really, my intent here is to indict the entire practice and the entire MSM, of which i consider HuffPo now a part-- but also to point out that the MSM is being hypocritical when they pretend like Pitney did anything wrong. There is this larger issue here about how the whole MSM is complicit in this all the time.

688 Capitalistincharge  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:45:39am

I listened to Sarah Palin's speech and have read what all the pundits and bloggers are predicting. I can't help but laugh and shake my head in disbelief. Sarah gave us her reasons, which sounded well thought out to me. True, she did not reveal her ultimate strategy. I have no doubt that soon she will reveal her next move and continue to give the pundits more to mindlessly ponder. What I find excrutiatingly stupid is the pundits and bloggers that are speculating that she needs to come up with a plan. Do they really believe she didn't have her plan in place before she decided to resign? I understand that the DNC and rabid left is trying to pull Old Style Chicago Politics and destroy her and her family through frivolus litagation. We see it happen time and time again with anyone who goes against the Party Line. (Remember the initial persecution of JTP) I find their methods frightening and should be a huge red flag for all Americans. I see Sarah being able to handle the crap, she is a fighter. I also suspect she is going to handle it differently than others who have allowed them to destroy their careers. In my opinion, we just witnessed the beginning of a strategy that will result in a rightous fight with good winning out over evil. So many have written her off as a dumb, inexperienced hick, unwilling to admit that the guy elected President has less experience and serious ethical deficits. She has vowed to fight Politics as Usual and I believe her. I am going to give this some time to reveal

689 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:45:57am

re: #600 Killgore Trout

... I feel more confident than ever that my decision to not vote for McCain/Palin was the right choice ...

I now fully understand you.

690 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:45:59am

re: #675 doppelganglander

He basically stole from Joseph Campbell's "Hero with a Thousand Faces." I actually enjoyed that book a lot. I had a class in college in which every work we studied was a variation on the Hero's Journey. It's a remarkably persistent theme across world literature.


My screen writing teacher had some of his stuff stolen/ used without permission. The movie where a guy talked to his ( dead?) son through a radio. I don't recall it. He sued and won.

691 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:46:19am

re: #674 callahan23
Why thankew callahan23 - I'm doing ok, but having a very difficult time staying awake - weather here is cloudy, cool and heavy rains are predicted!
And how are you doing today?

692 Ms. MacIceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:47:00am

re: #679 J.S.

Where's your evidence that they "didn't do a tête-à-tête?" They had a get-together prior to the press conference -- that's an uncontested fact. Now the degree to which they made their "arrangements" -- that may be subject to dispute. But it's not disputed that they got together. And that's the problem -- it's also about the perceptions...(perceptions are, oftentimes, just as important as "what is" or "what actually transpires." that's one of the reasons why trials are not conducted behind closed doors.)

The WH admin called Pitney. Not Obama.

As for evidence-- anyone can watch the press conference. Pitney's question was by far the most difficult one asked. (I'm sure Obama would have wanted a softball!) And obama totally failed to answer it.

It's a pretty poor 'staging' when it has the result that you're put on the spot like that.

693 GGMac  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:47:12am

re: #649 Desert Dog

You need the sobbing hard luck case as well...to pull the heart strings. This guy is as slick as goose grease.

Well trained at the knees of Gram & Gramps, Mama, Frank Marshall Davis, Ayers, Alinsky -

The 'dream from his father' (et al) was for a Marxist U.S.A., and the msm are his willing enablers.

*SPIT*

694 DEZes  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:47:38am

re: #686 realwest

Thank you - I don't understand it either. If it was a military coup, I could understand Obama's stance. But it clearly wasn't - the military were merely the tool used by the Honduran Supreme Court to enforce it's ruling - and I read somewhere that the Honduran Supreme Court has now issued an "arrest on sight" against him since he said he's going back to Honduras to "fight" for his rights.
I. Just. Don't. Get. It.

It makes no logical sense at all to us because we dont hold Obama's core beliefs.
I dont trust the man, period.

Morning Lizards.

695 Capitalistincharge  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:47:40am

Wow, weird. I was typing and it posted without me hitting new comments and before I could use spellcheck. Sorry.

to finish...I am going to give this some time to reveal what her true strategy is.

696 jaunte  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:48:11am

re: #686 realwest

Re: Honduras.
It's tempting to imagine that what's at work in the White House reaction to events there is an innate preference for executive power over the rule of law.
But I think they were just sloppy and spoke before they knew all the facts.

697 J.S.  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:49:00am

re: #687 iceweasel

Well, wait a second here. Now you're painting the entire MSM with the same brush? C'mon. there are obviously some in the media who are nothing more than Obama's sycophants (the "I have a tingle going up my leg!" or the "Obama is the Messiah!", etc. people) -- but that does not describe all MSM people, does it? Not all fall into this category...including, btw, Helen Thomas...(lol)

698 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:49:53am

re: #688 Capitalistincharge

JTP?

699 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:50:50am

re: #684 lazardo

Down in those parts of the world, if it's not a democratic election or a succession (e.g. Fidel to Raul), there's only one other way to describe that sort of transfer of power.

It's gotten to be a habit, almost a reflex.

So, what will happen in the next election in the Philippines? Arroyo cannot run again, can she?

700 J.S.  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:51:17am

re: #692 iceweasel

I have never stated (nor intended to state) that Obama called Pitney.

701 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:51:33am

re: #694 DEZes
Good morning to you DEZes! How are you today?

702 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:51:38am

re: #687 iceweasel

So far, from what I've learned, it isn't (yet) a break with Bush policies. I thought it was wrong then, and I still think it's wrong.

In the Pitney case, part of why it seems clear that Obama didn't know what the question would be is because he gave no kind of answer to it! (msnbc has the video).

Really, my intent here is to indict the entire practice and the entire MSM, of which i consider HuffPo now a part-- but also to point out that the MSM is being hypocritical when they pretend like Pitney did anything wrong. There is this larger issue here about how the whole MSM is complicit in this all the time.

This is true.
But I don't think there can be any doubt but that the press seems most willing to be manipulated in favor of Obama and his agenda, whereas not so for Bush.

Any administration is going to try to get its positions heard. It would be stupid if they didn't. Thus, they will issue press releases, hold news conferences, speak to members of the press, etc.

My problem with this administration is not that it has contact the press to share information and get its positions heard; my problem is that it is trying (and seemingly, succeeding) in manipulating the coverage.

703 gatorbait  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:52:04am

No question about it, Sarah's surprise announcement was a bombshell, sucking all the oxygen out of the air following poor Michael Jackson's not so surprising end.

Pundits are all of the same mind: Sarah is bizarre and erratic. She quit her governor job mid-term, making her "a quitter and a flake." She allegedly cannot take the heat, or poisonous venom, being sprayed on her and her children. She is, therefore, unfit for higher office.

In her long, off-the-cuff resignation speech, described by some as analogous to Nixon's observation, "You won't have Dick to kick around any more," she explicitly stated that she was repelled over the blood sport of contemporary American politics, tired of wasting Alaskan taxpayers time and money defending endless "ethics charges," angry at the cruelty displayed toward her oldest daughter and her infant son, and not willing to waste public time and money as a lame duck governor. Furthermore, not stated in her speech, was the financial burden in legal fees acquired in the past two years defending spurious legal complaints lodged against her.

In my opinion, her 4th of July weekend resignation was a stroke of political genius. It was the act of a Jiu-Jitsu master: exploit the weight of the opponent in a take-down and throw. If the whacko Secular Progressive Liberal contingent of America was up to now crazy with Hate Palin fervor, just wait and see what the next few months have to offer them.

Palin is now free to earn big bucks speaking, writing, and organizing a community. She is a sincere and artful mistress of her political philosophy: small government, anti-tax, free enterprise, free expression, self-reliance. She is also pro-life. As a physician of long standing, I must tell you that I am pro-life too. I have not much empathy for the pro-death crowd. While I feel great sadness for women who have an "unwanted pregnancy," I have long been repulsed by the idea that abortion is a suitable form of birth control. I do not advocate making elective abortion illegal, but I do subscribe to the notion that elective abortion should be made socially disreputable. It should be considered a tragedy.

I believe Palin will become the new, primary spokesman of the American conservative movement. She will come forward to speak on behalf of candidates seeking elective office in 2010. She will speak with frequency at a multitude of public fora. She will become a Fox News contributor, if not a talk show hostess. She will build a populist base of such magnitude as to transcend old party politics. I would not be surprised to see her drafted as the Republican candidate in 2012 and would love to see her deliver a sound drubbing to the self proclaimed deity currently driving our country to ruin.

704 callahan23  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:52:18am

re: #691 realwest

Dark and cool days also have that effect on me. I am doing fine after spending a slow Sunday. I did do a trip with my scooter though. Helps greatly with sorting thoughts, alleviating stress and cooling off ones temper.

705 DEZes  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:52:25am

re: #701 realwest

Good morning to you DEZes! How are you today?

Doing well, thanks for asking.
Hope today finds you well.

706 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:52:57am

re: #702 reine.de.tout

This is true.
But I don't think there can be any doubt but that the press seems most willing to be manipulated in favor of Obama and his agenda, whereas not so for Bush.

Any administration is going to try to get its positions heard. It would be stupid if they didn't. Thus, they will issue press releases, hold news conferences, speak to members of the press, etc.

My problem with this administration is not that it has contact the press to share information and get its positions heard; my problem is that it is trying (and seemingly, succeeding) in manipulating the coverage.

I cannot recall ABC letting Bush use their Prime Time for a policy commercial, do you?

707 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:53:27am

re: #665 FrogMarch

Not me. I'll gladly vote for an imperfect (R) before I vote for any candidate on the lying, fraudulent, corrupt, destructive, economically inept, anti-free market, isolationist, hypocritical, nanny-state neo-Marxist crypto-socialist left ...

Of course FrogMarch... I suspect you speak for most Lizards. ** except of Killgore and a few others

708 GGMac  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:53:29am

re: #659 Desert Dog

That lady at the "Townhall", telling Obama about her insurance woes

And didn't it later come out that the same woman is an Obama staffer and had appeared in the same role at another Obama speaking venue?

Anyone recall? I don't have any link -

709 J.S.  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:53:47am

re: #702 reine.de.tout

It's as Helen Thomas argues -- the Obama Administration is intent on controling the press...

710 mamacares  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:53:54am

re: #532 rightside

Thank you very much for noticing. I still need to be on the list and am grateful to you and realwest.

711 doppelganglander  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:54:41am

re: #690 Cannadian Club Akbar

My screen writing teacher had some of his stuff stolen/ used without permission. The movie where a guy talked to his ( dead?) son through a radio. I don't recall it. He sued and won.

"Frequency" with Jim Cavieziel? That was an excellent movie. I'm glad he won.

When I said "stole," I really just meant that he used Campbell's ideas extensively. Your teacher's situation is very different. Are you a screenwriter yourself?

712 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:55:10am

re: #699 Desert Dog

Not sure. A lot of hubbub going on about the government wanting to hold a constituent assembly but that's more toward the changing of the current Congress to a Parliament. Local politics are like a soap opera though, and that'll be rotated out with the next scandal of the month.

Right now there are quite a few potent contenders for the presidency (here, the election season always starts long before the first posters go up), but what's really ticking me here is that Joseph Estrada wants to run for re-election. This is the same Joseph Estrada convicted for embezzlement (but pardoned, and I do recall very vocally renouncing my faith in God that day.)

713 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:55:25am

re: #678 MandyManners

JCM posted this the other day.

re: #708 GGMac

And didn't it later come out that the same woman is an Obama staffer and had appeared in the same role at another Obama speaking venue?

Anyone recall? I don't have any link -

714 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:55:50am

re: #700 J.S.
Um, kindly see my #598 above.

715 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:56:59am

re: #705 DEZes
I am doing reasonably well, thankew very much!

716 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:57:24am

re: #712 lazardo

Not sure. A lot of hubbub going on about the government wanting to hold a constituent assembly but that's more toward the changing of the current Congress to a Parliament. Local politics are like a soap opera though, and that'll be rotated out with the next scandal of the month.

Right now there are quite a few potent contenders for the presidency (here, the election season always starts long before the first posters go up), but what's really ticking me here is that Joseph Estrada wants to run for re-election. This is the same Joseph Estrada convicted for embezzlement (but pardoned, and I do recall very vocally renouncing my faith in God that day.)

Getting your hand caught in the cookie jar does not hold the same stigma it used too...here, there, anywhere. When the inmates run the asylum, there is very little you can do to stop this behavior.

717 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:58:11am

re: #710 mamacares
Ah, mamacares - PLEASE check your e-mail!

718 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:58:17am

re: #681 VioletTiger

The Obama Whitehouse has taken staging to a new level. Even some reporters are starting to question this, especially with the Town Halls.

I don't think any of us should dismiss this. This is not about the MSM resenting bloggers or internet news sites. This is about the manipulation of the press and the news in general. Right now, the press seems to be going willingly wherever Obama may lead. We are among the relative few in this country who are paying attenion. How many of our country men and women really follow the news this closely?

A critical eye, from both sides, is required.

This is nothing new, though, is it? The previous administration strictly controlled who even got in to its town hall meetings, never mind the questions. And they credentialed a "reporter" for a "news service" whose previous line of work was as a homosexual escort.

By the way, this Wimbledon final is crackerjack. Our Homeboy Andy is playing a great match against Federer. He hasn't been broken on his service in 33 straight games. Remarkable.

719 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:58:23am

re: #706 Desert Dog

I cannot recall ABC letting Bush use their Prime Time for a policy commercial, do you?

No. And you know that if Bush had asked for such a thing, they would have reported on the administration's attempt to "manipulate" the news. I saw no such reports, so I can only assume the Bush administration made no attempt to manipulate coverage in this way.

The Obama administration apparently asked for this, AND ABC was perfectly willing to along with it.

That's the point. Administrations must have contact with the press.
In the case of the Obama administration, it's the willingness of the administration to use tactics to manipulate coverage (rather than just providing information), along with the willingness of the press to allow themselves to be manipulated that is so disturbing to me.

720 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:58:47am

re: #713 Desert Dog

I have a vague recollection of that, too.

721 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:58:51am

re: #716 Desert Dog

That's why I'd like to move back to America, unfortunately that's hard to do given the economic crisis and the fact that it's going to cost an arm, leg, and a nut just to petition one parent.

And that's not even counting the costs of actual college in America, too.

722 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:58:52am

Good afternoon handsome and lovely lizards( chose which applies to you). How's everybody doing today?

723 Gang of One  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:59:08am

re: #698 MandyManners

JTP?

Joe the Plumber, IIRC.

724 Ms. MacIceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:59:32am

re: #697 J.S.

Well, wait a second here. Now you're painting the entire MSM with the same brush? C'mon. there are obviously some in the media who are nothing more than Obama's sycophants (the "I have a tingle going up my leg!" or the "Obama is the Messiah!", etc. people) -- but that does not describe all MSM people, does it? Not all fall into this category...including, btw, Helen Thomas...(lol)

I pretty much loathe the MSM, for many reasons.

Some of them are certainly Obama cultists. These are the same people who screamed about certain Bush policies, yet have no problem at all when Obama enacts the same policies or makes similar decisions.

Some of them (many) are shameless hacks that only provide vapid and vacuous crap in the place of analysis, and are far more concerned with maintaining access to the Beltway cocktail circuit (and proximity to power) than they are with actually, you know, reporting. Chris Matthews is a perfect example. That crap about the tingle is typical of him, but he also said many similiarly gushing and embarassing things about Bush, once upon a time. (someone here recently posted transcripts and vid; CM was particularly gooey over Bush right around "Mission Accomplished")
Matthews is the kind of "journalist" who just goes whichever way the wind is blowing. The "chattering class", as the lefty/prog blogs call them, only cares about itself and loves to repeat empty phrases and non-stories. Sometimes this hurts Republicans; sometimes Democrats. Right now they love Obama, but this doesn't make me like them any better.

Finally, there ARE important criticisms to be made of Obama from the left! and yet the MSM is sidelining these. WaPo just fired their only liberal blogger--- who was a staunch critic of Obama from the left. Why?

A free and open press is crucial to the democratic process. A press that will do its job is essential to keeping any administration in check. And we don't have that right now, and in fact we haven't had that in years-- and I think everyone here would agree that this is destructive, corrupt, and in large part responsible for the sorry state of our political discourse and our political situation today.

725 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:59:55am

re: #718 austin_blue

This is nothing new, though, is it? The previous administration strictly controlled who even got in to its town hall meetings, never mind the questions. And they credentialed a "reporter" for a "news service" whose previous line of work was as a homosexual escort.

By the way, this Wimbledon final is crackerjack. Our Homeboy Andy is playing a great match against Federer. He hasn't been broken on his service in 33 straight games. Remarkable.

Pres. Bush had town hall meetings?

726 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:00:20am

re: #711 doppelganglander

"Frequency" with Jim Cavieziel? That was an excellent movie. I'm glad he won.

When I said "stole," I really just meant that he used Campbell's ideas extensively. Your teacher's situation is very different. Are you a screenwriter yourself?


That's the movie. I have written screenplays. Have them registered with WGAEAST.ORG. The last one I started, I was 25 pages into it, typing like mad. When you are writing and things are rolling, you don't stop. Didn't get to back it up, then my motherboard fried. Bummer.

727 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:00:21am

re: #723 Gang of One

Joe the Plumber, IIRC.

Ah. Thank you.

728 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:01:26am

re: #721 lazardo

That's why I'd like to move back to America, unfortunately that's hard to do given the economic crisis and the fact that it's going to cost an arm, leg, and a nut just to petition one parent.

And that's not even counting the costs of actual college in America, too.

My wife came over with her parents 25 years ago. Things are different now. She has many freshly arrived friends though. It's becoming very costly to legally immigrate to the USA now, isn't it?

729 DEZes  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:01:54am

Biden has been running his stupid gob, off to see what he said now. --->

730 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:01:58am

Dead Aid - enforcing poverty


[but it makes celebrities feeel good - and that's what counts]

731 realwest  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:02:11am

re: #719 reine.de.tout
Uh, reine, if you don't mind, y'all might want to read my #598 above.

732 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:02:12am

re: #552 FrogMarch

Darn. Liberal hopes, dashed. It's not too late for another manufactured scandal, though. Come on holy and precious above-the-law lying libs - think of something!

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

People have been trying to spread that stuff all over. Good for the Palins for fighting back.

733 Gang of One  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:02:45am

re: #727 MandyManners

Ah. Thank you.

My pleasure, ma'am.

734 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:03:14am

re: #725 MandyManners

Pres. Bush had town hall meetings?

Yup.

[Link: www.wtopnews.com...]

735 Gella  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:03:46am

i've been watching Wimbledon mans final, on a bring of heart attach
go roger

736 Ms. MacIceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:04:14am

re: #718 austin_blue

This is nothing new, though, is it? The previous administration strictly controlled who even got in to its town hall meetings, never mind the questions. And they credentialed a "reporter" for a "news service" whose previous line of work was as a homosexual escort.

That's right. The Bush admin also strictly controlled the press, credentialled Jeff Gannon/Guckhart, ejected people who weren't Bush supporters from even being in its meetings, etc.

But in Bush's second term he began to avoid the press entirely.

However, this only shows that it isn't new for an Admin to manage its press image in this way. That doesn't make it right.

737 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:04:56am

re: #728 Desert Dog

My wife came over with her parents 25 years ago. Things are different now. She has many freshly arrived friends though. It's becoming very costly to legally immigrate to the USA now, isn't it?

Very. $355 just to send the I-130, which amounts to about P15,000.

No wonder so many people "overstay their welcome," as it were.

738 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:05:45am

re: #730 FrogMarch

Dead Aid - enforcing poverty

[but it makes celebrities feeel good - and that's what counts]

related:
[Link: nationalconversation.typepad.com...]

739 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:06:10am

re: #736 iceweasel

That's right. The Bush admin also strictly controlled the press, credentialled Jeff Gannon/Guckhart, ejected people who weren't Bush supporters from even being in its meetings, etc.

But in Bush's second term he began to avoid the press entirely.

However, this only shows that it isn't new for an Admin to manage its press image in this way. That doesn't make it right.

Too true. When Helen Thomas jumps in a Dem administration's shit for being too controlling of the press, you've got problems.

740 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:07:41am

re: #730 FrogMarch

And it was so 80s, which makes it somehow "cool."

741 J.S.  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:08:08am

re: #724 iceweasel

I agree with your post. (from what I've seen/read -- stated as a generality -- it seems that during the Bush administration it was pretty much anti-Bush, some even going into a derangement syndrome -- demonization, really -- some of it filled with extreme hate/bile/rage against GW Bush...now, it appears that much of the media has swung in the opposite direction with an extreme, frenzied love fest for Obama...although just recently that may be growing tiresome, with some maybe even breaking ranks now...I hope, in the future, a more balanced approach will be found...)

742 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:08:14am

re: #732 capitalist piglet

People have been trying to spread that stuff all over. Good for the Palins for fighting back.

They will be vilified for fighting back.

743 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:09:01am

re: #731 realwest

Uh, reine, if you don't mind, y'all might want to read my #598 above.

I did.
The point I'm trying to make (not very well apparently) is that all political entities must have contact with the press, for the purpose of disseminating and clarifying information. It would be silly and suicidal, imo, for an administration not to have contact with the press.

What I find disturbing about the Obama adminstration's contact with the press is:
1. This administration's apparent willingness, in its contact with the press, to make requests or set conditions that are clearly an attempt to manipulate coverage to its own purposes (rather than simply to provide information), and

2. The willingness of the press to be used in this way.

744 jvic  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:10:57am

re: #718 austin_blue

This is nothing new, though, is it? The previous administration strictly controlled who even got in to its town hall meetings, never mind the questions. And they credentialed a "reporter" for a "news service" whose previous line of work was as a homosexual escort.

re: #724 iceweasel

Indeed. The biggest culprit here is the MSM.

If you get infatuated with someone and offer them your...integrity..., don't be surprised if they take you up on it. Neither party in such a transaction is commendable, but only one is a fool.

I don't doubt that the Bush administration would have taken the MSM up on the same offer.

745 doppelganglander  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:12:16am

re: #726 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's the movie. I have written screenplays. Have them registered with WGAEAST.ORG. The last one I started, I was 25 pages into it, typing like mad. When you are writing and things are rolling, you don't stop. Didn't get to back it up, then my motherboard fried. Bummer.

That sucks. I hope you can get your groove (and your motherboard) back. It's a very competitive field, and I wish you all the luck in the world.

746 notamolly  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:14:31am

re: #450 gettinby

And, you didn't have any fun at all, huh?

/I LOVE fireworks.

Of course, our greyhound spent most of the night in our shower, poor thing.

I had fun but my whippets were sitting wide eyed and shivering when the big booming things were going off. They were not thrilled with the fireworks.

747 lazardo  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:16:29am

Headin' to bed. Class is late morning today. Cheers!

748 Ms. MacIceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:16:38am

re: #741 J.S.

I agree with your post. (from what I've seen/read -- stated as a generality -- it seems that during the Bush administration it was pretty much anti-Bush, some even going into a derangement syndrome -- demonization, really -- some of it filled with extreme hate/bile/rage against GW Bush...now, it appears that much of the media has swung in the opposite direction with an extreme, frenzied love fest for Obama...although just recently that may be growing tiresome, with some maybe even breaking ranks now...I hope, in the future, a more balanced approach will be found...)

I hope it changes too. I'm cynical about the prospects of it. I do think that new media helps a lot in the process of changing the old MSM-- CNN being embarrassed over its Iranian coverage by the Twitter campaign -- ( #CNNfail) and as a result finally starting to play catch up. That sort of thing.

I do think blogging has an important role to play in changing the current media spin. It's been having an effect; I hope it continues (and in the good way, like making CNN cover Iran better, -- not in the bad way, where news organisations talk about baseless rumours spread on blogs -- like nirth certifikat gate and the like)

749 GGMac  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:18:22am

re: #713 Desert Dog


Thanks, Desert Dog - and yes, that's the one. I believe someone, somewhere (some other blog), had a link to a video clip of her in the Dec. 30 venue. I wish I had noted that link, but jcm's links do provide the veracity confirmation.

750 Flyers1974  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:18:24am

re: #748 iceweasel

I hope it changes too. I'm cynical about the prospects of it. I do think that new media helps a lot in the process of changing the old MSM-- CNN being embarrassed over its Iranian coverage by the Twitter campaign -- ( #CNNfail) and as a result finally starting to play catch up. That sort of thing.

I do think blogging has an important role to play in changing the current media spin. It's been having an effect; I hope it continues (and in the good way, like making CNN cover Iran better, -- not in the bad way, where news organisations talk about baseless rumours spread on blogs -- like nirth certifikat gate and the like)

How's it going IW? How was your fourth?

751 Ms. MacIceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:21:25am

re: #744 jvic

re: #724 iceweasel

Indeed. The biggest culprit here is the MSM.

If you get infatuated with someone and offer them your...integrity..., don't be surprised if they take you up on it. Neither party in such a transaction is commendable, but only one is a fool.

I don't doubt that the Bush administration would have taken the MSM up on the same offer.

Precisely. And in fact the Bush admin did exploit the once-good relations it had with the press, in the first term. By the second term all of that had changed and Bush was actively seeking to avoid the media.

The MSM in general really is a bunch of hacks. Any politician has to deal with how petty they are-- if you deny them access for too long, they start getting testy and running nasty items simply because they're denied access.
Once Bush started distancing himself from them, they were bound to turn on him even more. That's their nature.

Similarly with Obama. Right now they can't get enough of him, but that can easily curdle.

752 Ms. MacIceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:23:09am

re: #750 Flyers1974

How's it going IW? How was your fourth?

Hey Flyers! It was great! How are you and how was yours?

753 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:25:48am

re: #718 austin_blue

This is nothing new, though, is it? The previous administration strictly controlled who even got in to its town hall meetings...

Presidents trying to manipulate their message to the media is nothing new. The lengths this Administration is going to do it is. Relativism between Bush and Obama on this point is absurd.

754 Gang of One  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:27:27am

re: #703 gatorbait

In my opinion, her 4th of July weekend resignation was a stroke of political genius. It was the act of a Jiu-Jitsu master: exploit the weight of the opponent in a take-down and throw. If the whacko Secular Progressive Liberal contingent of America was up to now crazy with Hate Palin fervor, just wait and see what the next few months have to offer them.

In Kung Fu, we call this concept Wu Wei 無爲. Action without action -- overcoming by not resisting or as you put it, using the attackers momentum against him.

755 J.S.  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:29:28am

re: #748 iceweasel

Yep...but, as you note, there are pros and cons even with the "new media". Actually, I suspect that one of the reasons why CNN was initially so reluctant to cover the protests in Iran was because of the lack of verifiability...I also noticed -- just lately -- other times when CNN has refused to immediately confirm something -- they now wait until they have adequate confirmation -- that's somewhat new, in that, in the past (prior to Twitter, for example) they'd always rush and try to be the first to announce some breaking news story...

756 GGMac  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:32:16am

Fedderer did it - outstanding.

Roddick made him WORK for it!

757 Flyers1974  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:34:16am

re: #752 iceweasel

Hey Flyers! It was great! How are you and how was yours?

Very well, thanks. Beach for the day yesterday. IW I think the Palin stuff is fascinating. Haven't looked upthread to see if this was discussed at all, but would it be incorrect to say that the big issue here is not Palin, but the media/GOP?

758 Ms. MacIceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:39:57am

re: #757 Flyers1974

Very well, thanks. Beach for the day yesterday. IW I think the Palin stuff is fascinating. Haven't looked upthread to see if this was discussed at all, but would it be incorrect to say that the big issue here is not Palin, but the media/GOP?

Hey Flyers-- I think the Palin stuff is fascinating too. I've wanted to discuss it with you!

When you say this

would it be incorrect to say that the big issue here is not Palin, but the media/GOP

By 'here' do you mean, 'at LGF', or more abstractly?

759 NelsFree  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:40:02am

re: #298 SixDegrees

It's been over 50 years since the US has designed a nuclear power plant; over 35 years since they've built one.


Westinghouse designed the AP600 in the 80s, and never built one in the US. They now have the AP1000, and are planning to build the first two...in China.

760 Ms. MacIceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:42:50am

re: #755 J.S.

Yep...but, as you note, there are pros and cons even with the "new media". Actually, I suspect that one of the reasons why CNN was initially so reluctant to cover the protests in Iran was because of the lack of verifiability...I also noticed -- just lately -- other times when CNN has refused to immediately confirm something -- they now wait until they have adequate confirmation -- that's somewhat new, in that, in the past (prior to Twitter, for example) they'd always rush and try to be the first to announce some breaking news story...

You know, I think you're right...in the Iran case I think CNN's lack of coverage was about waiting for more confirmation and also a general unfamiliarity with Twitter, social networking, etc. IIRC rightly it took them 3 days to catch up. But as you note, that isn't like these other cases that involve laziness or outright spin or manipulation on the part of the press -- in this case it was about waiting for info. Good point. (Maybe it means there's some hope, too!)

761 Flyers1974  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:44:39am

re: #758 iceweasel

By 'here' do you mean, 'at LGF', or more abstractly?

In regards to politics in the USA.

762 NelsFree  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:49:19am

re: #734 austin_blue

Yup.

[Link: www.wtopnews.com...]


While the date of the article is March 2005, the content clearly shows that this was a campaign stop during the 2004 election. Obama is holding staged town hall meetings now, while not (really) running for re-election.

763 Ms. MacIceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:55:04am

re: #761 Flyers1974

In regards to politics in the USA.

Depends. I think the issue is Palin. What do you think?

764 Flyers1974  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:28:33am

re: #763 iceweasel

Depends. I think the issue is Palin. What do you think?

Sorry, I was a little vague there. I mean, its more than Palin, its really about the GOP and its relationship w/ the media. Recall the gentleman who told you a few weeks ago (in the spirit of friendly advice) to tread carefully regarding Palin at LGF, becasue people were protective of her. His explanation was (to the extent I recall correctly) that conservatives are protective of her becasue of their belief that the media tried/is trying to destroy her. Anyway, I can't recall anything in US politics like the entire Palin saga. Just wondering if this Palin thing is a culmination of the GOP - MSM issue coming to a boil.

765 SummerSong  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:44:01pm

re: #703 gatorbait

What a pleasure it is to read such a well written post!

766 ladycatnip  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:35:17pm

#703 gatorbait

I second what #765 SummerSong said.


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