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Rove and Huckabee Puzzled by Palin

Politics | Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 11:01:00 am PDT

Smiling theocratic backbiter Mike Huckabee says Palin’s resignation doesn’t make sense.

Karl Rove is also less than enthusiastic.

Part of her explanation for resigning — that she was dogged by critics who cost her state millions in legal fees — will be a liability for her if she seeks the White House, Huckabee said.

“Well, if that had been the case for me, I’d have quit about my first month, because I was a Republican governor in a state where 89 percent of my legislature were Democrats,” Huckabee said. “Been there, done that.”

If she’s looking to be a national political figure, it’s not going to get easier, Huckabee said.

Besides, Rove said, Palin will not be able to escape the media’s attention.

“If she thinks somehow that she’s going to be able to protect her family against the kind of things that she’s suffered over the last couple of months, from David Letterman and others, and seek a role of leadership for effective change for our country, as she said in her speech, she’s not going to be able to do it,” Rove said.

Palin recently led a public spat with “Late Show” host Letterman over a joke he made about one of her daughters.

“It is not clear what her strategy here is by exiting the governorship 2 1/2 years through the term and putting herself on the national stage that she may not yet be prepared to operate in,” Rove said.

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1 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:03:04am

Huckabee has an even less chance of getting nominated than Palin. I would listen to Rove though....he's one smart guy.

2 talon_262  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:03:37am

Pardon me if I think that the GOP establishment, Rove included, is somehow rooting for Palin to crash and burn, if only to save their own asses...

3 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:03:45am

Well Rove saying it bothers me, Huckabee saying it could be a good thing.

4 Macker  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:04:03am

I wonder why that is.

5 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:04:57am

She's confounding them all.

6 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:05:49am

Liberal lies! Progressive propaganda! The obviously fear her genius! She's the most brilliant victim in the history of American politics!
/Palinite

7 spacejesus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:06:02am

thank you sarah palin for making dr. pepper squirt out my nose on an almost daily basis

8 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:06:24am

I say we wait for Sarah to explain this herself.

9 zombie  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:06:27am

OK, now I'm SURE she's going to win in 2012.

This thread proves it:

American simply can't stop talking about her!

Doesn't matter what Sarah Palin does, she is the top of the news. Whatever the topic, good, bad, up, down -- she's the #1 topic of conversation.

That is a recipe for victory.

10 jorline  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:06:31am

The Huckster doesn't make sense 95% of the time.
Pot calling the kettle black?

I know....racist!

11 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:07:43am

re: #9 zombie

OK, now I'm SURE she's going to win in 2012.

This thread proves it:

American simply can't stop talking about her!

Doesn't matter what Sarah Palin does, she is the top of the news. Whatever the topic, good, bad, up, down -- she's the #1 topic of conversation.

That is a recipe for victory.

And Michael Jackson will be her VP.

12 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:09:18am
Smiling theocratic backbiter Mike Huckabee ...

Oh, THAT Mike Huckabee!

(upding!)

13 MikeySDCA  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:09:24am

Palin's going to "write" a book and make a ton of mon, go on the speaking circuit and make a ton of mon, maybe get her own talk show and make a ton of mon. She will be a major voice on the right without all of the bs of office.

14 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:09:40am

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Liberal lies! Progressive propaganda! The obviously fear her genius! She's the most brilliant victim in the history of American politics!
/Palinite

Karl Rove isn't really a Republican! He's a liberal propaganda machine! /

15 talon_262  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:09:41am

re: #5 MandyManners

She's confounding them all.

Tru dat...if Rove, the Great Swami, is confounded by Palin, maybe she's doing something right.

/Huckabee, however, can go take a long walk off a short pier...

16 Macker  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:09:52am

re: #9 zombie

OK, now I'm SURE she's going to win in 2012.

This thread proves it:

American simply can't stop talking about her!

Doesn't matter what Sarah Palin does, she is the top of the news. Whatever the topic, good, bad, up, down -- she's the #1 topic of conversation.

That is a recipe for victory.

Couldn't that be compared to how Оба́ма was the #1 topic during the election...and for some time afterward?

17 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:10:44am

re: #13 MikeySDCA

Palin's going to "write" a book and make a ton of mon, go on the speaking circuit and make a ton of mon, maybe get her own talk show and make a ton of mon. She will be a major voice on the right without all of the bs of office.

That'd be my guess. She'd be hugely successful and rake in the $.

18 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:11:11am

re: #13 MikeySDCA

Palin's going to "write" a book and make a ton of mon, go on the speaking circuit and make a ton of mon, maybe get her own talk show and make a ton of mon. She will be a major voice on the right without all of the bs of office.

I hope she makes that ton of mon after all living well is the best revenge.

19 talon_262  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:12:06am

re: #13 MikeySDCA

Palin's going to "write" a book and make a ton of mon, go on the speaking circuit and make a ton of mon, maybe get her own talk show and make a ton of mon. She will be a major voice on the right without all of the bs of office.

And frankly, at this point, I can't say as I'd blame her, after all the shit her and her family has had to put up with.

20 VioletTiger  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:12:15am

People seem to be avoiding the fact that the attacks on Palin, especially the legal challenges, were depleting the resources of Alaska. It's hard to get business done when you are fighting BS every day. I personally don't like the fact that she quit, but maybe she didn't have a choice.

21 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:12:30am

I don't get why Rove is still thought to be so smart? After all, how are we enjoying the permanent Republican majority so far?

22 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:12:51am

Rove's not Palin's architect. He no know.

23 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:13:08am

re: #7 spacejesus

thank you sarah palin for making dr. pepper squirt out my nose on an almost daily basis

Sure that ain't your brain squirting out?

24 DEZes  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:15:14am

re: #23 MandyManners

Sure that ain't your brain squirting out?

That would presume he had one.

25 Iron Fist  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:15:26am

re: #1 Desert Dog

Wrong. Rove is a magnificent bastard.

:-)

26 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:16:00am

re: #21 Irenicum

I don't get why Rove is still thought to be so smart? After all, how are we enjoying the permanent Republican majority so far?

Heh.

I do wonder about the collapse of the once unstoppable message machine. I always thought of Rove as just one guy, but the message collapsed with his departure. It's strange.

27 NelsFree  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:16:07am

re: #7 spacejesus

thank you sarah palin for making dr. pepper squirt out my nose on an almost daily basis


That's not Dr. Pepper, it's blood, because you keep running blindly into walls of facts.
/s

28 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:16:59am

re: #26 iceweasel

Heh.

I do wonder about the collapse of the once unstoppable message machine. I always thought of Rove as just one guy, but the message collapsed with his departure. It's strange.

IMO the message collapsed following the '04 election.

29 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:17:20am

My post from the previous thread... Armywife posted yesterday, IIRC, that Palin should bump Steele and take over at the RNC and hope it is a bloodbath in the 2010 elections. Makes the most sense of all. Keeps her in the spotlight. She'll raise a ton of cash. Then 2012, Romney/ Palin. Just my thoughts.

30 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:17:42am

I do find it interesting that Rove's strategy was to get Bush elected and govern from the base. Isn't that Palin's appeal too? How is that going to work? The base has only shrunk.

31 brookly red  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:18:01am

/Rove knows.

32 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:18:09am

I think that some of the attacks on Palin and her family were nothing less than despicable. However resigning the Governorship before comletion of one term does not help if she wants to go higher.

33 Macker  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:18:10am

re: #29 Cannadian Club Akbar

Are you referring to a bloodbath for the Demo☭rats in 2010?

34 zombie  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:19:06am

re: #11 itellu3times

And Michael Jackson will be her VP.

If he was alive -- you betcha.

Seriously. Name recognition and sheer topicless popularity is the #1 ingredient required for political success. People will vote for a familiar name -- just ask the Kennedys in Massachussetts, the Daleys in Chicago, the Bushes in Texas.

Having the entire country know your name and know who you are is at least half the battle.

The other half is to get them to like your policies and your vision for the country. Obviously, Palin will appeal to the religious right and revolt the communist left. But ideologues only constitute less than half the voting public. She can win without a single leftist vote.

35 NelsFree  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:19:23am

re: #29 Cannadian Club Akbar

My post from the previous thread... Armywife posted yesterday, IIRC, that Palin should bump Steele and take over at the RNC and hope it is a bloodbath in the 2010 elections. Makes the most sense of all. Keeps her in the spotlight. She'll raise a ton of cash. Then 2012, Romney/ Palin Palin/Romney. Just my thoughts.


/upding, after FTFY

36 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:19:26am

re: #28 unrealizedviewpoint

IMO the message collapsed following the '04 election.

2000...the beginnings of BDS after the election...it was unstoppable....the defining political meme for the last 8+ years

37 zombie  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:19:29am

re: #16 Macker

Couldn't that be compared to how Оба́ма was the #1 topic during the election...and for some time afterward?

Yup. Exactly.

38 NelsFree  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:20:35am

re: #33 Macker

Are you referring to a bloodbath for the Demo☭rats in 2010?

Along with the puddles of urine that will signal the start of it.

39 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:21:24am

re: #33 Macker

Are you referring to a bloodbath for the Demo☭rats in 2010?

Yes, the blue dogs would move right and by the time the election hits, people might be able to figure out what the Dems are actually doing.

40 NelsFree  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:21:27am

BBL

41 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:21:28am

re: #27 NelsFree

That's not Dr. Pepper, it's blood, because you keep running blindly into walls of facts.
/s


whoa- ho! zing! watch out now! whew-wee was that a zinger. got any aloe vera for that nasty burn you just gave me there? wow.

tell me, how does one man get so funny? did you get that one from the team sarah news letter?

42 Macker  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:21:51am

re: #38 NelsFree

Along with the puddles of urine and feces that will signal the start of it.

There, fixed that for ya!

43 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:22:22am

re: #30 Irenicum

I do find it interesting that Rove's strategy was to get Bush elected and govern from the base. Isn't that Palin's appeal too? How is that going to work? The base has only shrunk.

IMO that was one (legitimate) reason why the GOP elite did not like her. Her benefit to McCain was to energise the base, and she did that all right. But for every member of the base she motivated, she alienated center, moderate, or independent voters. The GOP needs to expand its base, not contract it.

44 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:23:52am

I find it astonishing. All this speculation assumes that people have some idea of what Palin wants to do.

They don't. Nobody does. Until we know that, evaluating whether this helps or hurts her is kind of a waste of time.

45 cronus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:24:38am

This just adds to the list of bewildered people who have either run for or help elect people to national office. They can't get past the quitting part. Is there any precedent for a politician doing something like this and then being elected President?

46 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:24:42am

re: #36 albusteve

2000...the beginnings of BDS after the election...it was unstoppable....the defining political meme for the last 8+ years

They did give Bush a break after 911. Major BDS kicked in following "mission accomplished" and no WMD's. The '04 victory was Rove's best work.

47 jaunte  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:25:02am

Timewasting on the internet? Shocka!

48 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:25:43am

anybody who sincerely thinks palin stands a snowballs chance in hell of winning, or even making a good showing, in the 2012 election needs a CT scan

49 jvic  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:25:53am

re: #21 Irenicum

I don't get why Rove is still thought to be so smart? After all, how are we enjoying the permanent Republican majority so far?

Please post that again so I can upding it again.

50 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:26:03am

re: #43 iceweasel

Exactly. The only way Repubs can win in 10' or 12' is if they either suddenly regroup and find an appealing message, or Obama keeps over-reaching to such an extent that people will be default switch back to the Repubs. Obama may do that, but I don't see the Repubs finding a coherent voice for a while.

51 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:26:17am

re: #44 wahabicorridor

I find it astonishing. All this speculation assumes that people have some idea of what Palin wants to do.

They don't. Nobody does. Until we know that, evaluating whether this helps or hurts her is kind of a waste of time.

it's hilarious...and so serious too...the ONLY thing people know is from her presser...not much

52 zombie  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:26:33am

re: #44 wahabicorridor

I find it astonishing. All this speculation assumes that people have some idea of what Palin wants to do.

They don't. Nobody does. Until we know that, evaluating whether this helps or hurts her is kind of a waste of time.

No, it's not a waste of time. It keeps Palin on the front pages, and makes ever more people familiar with her. The speculation thereby increases her name-recognition and popularity.

In short -- the speculation, even the negative speculation -- only serves to help Palin.

53 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:27:03am

re: #48 SpaceJesus

anybody who sincerely thinks palin stands a snowballs chance in hell of winning, or even making a good showing, in the 2012 election needs a CT scan

You need a CT scan.

54 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:27:32am

re: #49 jvic

Why thank you! Rove isn't as smart as everyone seems to think.

55 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:27:45am

re: #52 zombie


even the negative speculation -- only serves to help Palin.

what

56 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:28:59am

re: #21 Irenicum

I don't get why Rove is still thought to be so smart? After all, how are we enjoying the permanent Republican majority so far?

Was that his job? He resigned well before Bush left office. I never new his objective was to create some permanent majority.

57 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:29:06am

re: #43 iceweasel

IMO that was one (legitimate) reason why the GOP elite did not like her. Her benefit to McCain was to energise the base, and she did that all right. But for every member of the base she motivated, she alienated center, moderate, or independent voters. The GOP needs to expand its base, not contract it.

In all honesty, don't you think that part of the reason that Palin got mauled is lack of an Ivy League pedigree, or Stanford , Northwestern etc?
Her speech patterns sound a lot like rural Wisconsin and she delivered a Down Baby.
She is not a perfect candidate, but a lot of Middle America identify with her & she momentarily gave McCain a bounce.
She needed to be ridiculed & destroyed because she is or at least was a threat.

58 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:29:06am

re: #48 SpaceJesus

anybody who sincerely thinks palin stands a snowballs chance in hell of winning, or even making a good showing, in the 2012 election needs a CT scan

Anybody who makes a prediction about politics 3 years out needs a CT scan.

59 brookly red  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:29:08am

re: #50 Irenicum

Exactly. The only way Repubs can win in 10' or 12' is if they either suddenly regroup and find an appealing message, or Obama keeps over-reaching to such an extent that people will be default switch back to the Repubs. Obama may do that, but I don't see the Repubs finding a coherent voice for a while.

Well I can see the R's reaching out to the fastest growing group of American voters... the unemployed.

60 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:29:25am

re: #46 unrealizedviewpoint

They did give Bush a break after 911. Major BDS kicked in following "mission accomplished" and no WMD's. The '04 victory was Rove's best work.

that was just a formality so as to not seem traitorous...he stole the election and liberals went nuts, and continue to this day....there was never any rational foundation for BDS....lunatics invented the whole thing...one reason I despise them so much...it's a very bad vibe they infected the country with...they don't care about the country, they only claim to

61 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:30:07am

re: #52 zombie

At a certain point, negatives do impact, surprise surprise, a negative result. She needs to have significantly higher positives than negatives to have any political future. So far, that isn't happening.

62 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:30:22am

re: #55 SpaceJesus

what

Get your head out of your ass and maybe you could hear.

63 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:30:22am

re: #43 iceweasel

IMO that was one (legitimate) reason why the GOP elite did not like her. Her benefit to McCain was to energise the base, and she did that all right. But for every member of the base she motivated, she alienated center, moderate, or independent voters. The GOP needs to expand its base, not contract it.

For full disclosure purposes, I don't like Palin. But, I have a feeling the left is going to shoot themselves in the foot on this issue.

I don't think Palin is going anywhere, except to regroup and run for the presidency in 2012.

And when she "steps up to the plate" and the public sees that she is has neither been cowed or frightened by all the trash that has come from the left, she is going to pick up A LOT of center, moderate and independent voters.

I think (just a proposition) that she is doing what she is doing right now so she is in the perfect position to run a campaign on her own terms, her own schedule and not be beholden to any restraints, short of the ones she devises.

She is far from out of this, and yes, the left does have something to be afraid of. And if Obama continues on his merry slide, divested of the "Bush's fault" mantra (it's got to loose impact soon), the Democrats will be eating their own as usual and not be able to regroup with any meaningful candidate (example: Kerry) in time for 2012.

64 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:30:42am

I never thought Rove was especially smart but he has been wonderfully useful as a lightning rod for the conspiracy theories that increasingly dominate leftist and anti-American rhetoric world-wide.

Together with Darth Cheney he was the bridge that reconciled the central contradiction of recent leftist thought; that is, how Bush could simultaneously be both an ignorant ape-like creature and the cynical mastermind of a diabolical conspiracy to loot the world. In this reconciled version, Bush is a figurehead designed to win over the hordes of drooling rednecks who make up so much of the electorate, while Cheney-Rove and minions were the none-too-secret puppet masters. This prevented millions of left-conformist brains from exploding and causing a major mental health crisis.

65 slartybartfast  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:31:18am

re: #50 Irenicum

The Dems have an advantage over the Republicans when it comes to their message. In truth, all problems (or perceived problems) that the Gubmint tackles are complex. It's difficult to explain complex problems in a 5 second sound-bite much less explaining the solution.

The Dems have a 1-size-fits-all solution to everything: the Gov't will fix it for you!

66 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:31:19am

re: #52 zombie

It keeps Palin on the front pages, and makes ever more people familiar with her. The speculation thereby increases her name-recognition and popularity.

Frankly, I don't think the woman could sneeze w/o landing on the front pages, so I can't give much value to the speculation.

67 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:31:28am

Repost from the previous thread:

re: #197 NelsFree

Oh, Killgore.
You know, Avanti made the same point last night. "She's such an easy target!" I then replied: "Please, for the record, state how she is 'such an easy target". You know, he NEVER responded except to say that no one on LGF would accept his explanation.
Now it's your turn. Examples would help, too.
/Still waiting for the Coke and Fries to go with that.

Here's a list of "Palinisms". I am not passing judgement, just sending a collection that someone else has posted.

[Link: politicalhumor.about.com...]

68 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:31:39am

LGF Obama supporters giving Republicans advice again.

/never ceases to amaze me

69 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:33:16am

re: #68 Killian Bundy

LGF Obama supporters giving Republicans advice again.

/never ceases to amaze me

they won...justification for anything

70 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:33:25am

re: #50 Irenicum

Exactly. The only way Repubs can win in 10' or 12' is if they either suddenly regroup and find an appealing message, or Obama keeps over-reaching to such an extent that people will be default switch back to the Repubs. Obama may do that, but I don't see the Repubs finding a coherent voice for a while.

I'd agree, but qualify it slightly: IF the economic crisis continues to steadily worsen, or if there is some other catastrophe like a major terrorist attack on US soil, then we could see a major Repub resurgence even if they don't have a coherent voice. It's possible.

With the current state of the GOP, I don't see them having that voice or message in time for 2010; even 2012 looks difficult-- but that's further off, and anything can happen.

71 MJ  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:33:50am

She is unelectable beyond Alaska. On a national level, she has very little appeal to those outside the Republican base. You can't win national elections by appealing to just the base of either party. You might win the primary, but not the general elections.

72 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:34:29am

re: #57 opnion

In all honesty, don't you think that part of the reason that Palin got mauled is lack of an Ivy League pedigree, or Stanford , Northwestern etc?
Her speech patterns sound a lot like rural Wisconsin

Absolutely. I'd agree that some of the unfair attacks on Palin were entirely due to this.

73 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:34:37am

re: #63 Walter L. Newton

For full disclosure purposes, I don't like Palin. But, I have a feeling the left is going to shoot themselves in the foot on this issue.

I don't think Palin is going anywhere, except to regroup and run for the presidency in 2012.

And when she "steps up to the plate" and the public sees that she is has neither been cowed or frightened by all the trash that has come from the left, she is going to pick up A LOT of center, moderate and independent voters.

I think (just a proposition) that she is doing what she is doing right now so she is in the perfect position to run a campaign on her own terms, her own schedule and not be beholden to any restraints, short of the ones she devises.

She is far from out of this, and yes, the left does have something to be afraid of. And if Obama continues on his merry slide, divested of the "Bush's fault" mantra (it's got to loose impact soon), the Democrats will be eating their own as usual and not be able to regroup with any meaningful candidate (example: Kerry) in time for 2012.


I also think that when all this unpopular spending fails to kick start the economy many center, moderate and independent voters will think she is a really good candidate.

74 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:34:54am

re: #70 iceweasel

With the current state of the GOP, I don't see them having that voice or message in time for 2010; even 2012 looks difficult-- but that's further off, and anything can happen.

/and you're an admitted TOTUS lover, why should the GOP care what you think?

75 Racer X  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:35:53am
76 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:37:16am

re: #53 BigPapa

You need a CT scan.

Cranial Thwack?

77 Macker  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:37:17am

re: #53 BigPapa

10,000 updings!

78 EmmmieG  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:37:54am

Is it my imagination, or are we seeing Palin Derangement Syndrome?

79 gatorbait  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:38:21am

No question about it, Sarah's surprise announcement was a bombshell, sucking all the oxygen out of the air following poor Michael Jackson's not so surprising end.

Pundits are all of the same mind: Sarah is bizarre and erratic. She quit her governor job mid-term, making her "a quitter and a flake." She allegedly cannot take the heat, or poisonous venom, being sprayed on her and her children. She is, therefore, unfit for higher office.

In her long, off-the-cuff resignation speech, described by some as analogous to Nixon's observation, "You won't have Dick to kick around any more," she explicitly stated that she was repelled over the blood sport of contemporary American politics, tired of wasting Alaskan taxpayers time and money defending endless "ethics charges," angry at the cruelty displayed toward her oldest daughter and her infant son, and not willing to waste public time and money as a lame duck governor. Furthermore, not stated in her speech, was the financial burden in legal fees acquired in the past two years defending spurious legal complaints lodged against her.

In my opinion, her 4th of July weekend resignation was a stroke of political genius. It was the act of a Jiu-Jitsu master: exploit the weight of the opponent in a take-down and throw. If the whacko Secular Progressive Liberal contingent of America was up to now crazy with Hate Palin fervor, just wait and see what the next few months have to offer them.

Palin is now free to earn big bucks speaking, writing, and organizing a community. She is a sincere and artful mistress of her political philosophy: small government, anti-tax, free enterprise, free expression, self-reliance. She is also pro-life. As a physician of long standing, I must tell you that I am pro-life too. I have not much empathy for the pro-death crowd. While I feel great sadness for women who have an "unwanted pregnancy," I have long been repulsed by the idea that abortion is a suitable form of birth control. I do not advocate making elective abortion illegal, but I do subscribe to the notion that elective abortion should be made socially disreputable. It should be considered a tragedy.

I believe Palin will become the new, primary spokesman of the American conservative movement. She will come forward to speak on behalf of candidates seeking elective office in 2010. She will speak with frequency at a multitude of public fora. She will become a Fox News contributor, if not a talk show hostess. She will build a populist base of such magnitude as to transcend old party politics. I would not be surprised to see her drafted as the Republican candidate in 2012 and would love to see her deliver a sound drubbing to the self proclaimed deity currently driving our country to ruin.

80 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:38:22am

re: #78 EmmmieG

Is it my imagination, or are we seeing Palin Derangement Syndrome?

/mind the froth

81 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:38:25am

re: #67 austin_blue

Here's a list of "Palinisms". I am not passing judgement, just sending a collection that someone else has posted.

Why? You judged it worthy to link here for some reason or other. Don't let us speculate why that is.

82 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:38:28am

It's been real. It's been fun. It's actually been real fun. See y'all later.

83 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:38:32am

re: #78 EmmmieG

Is it my imagination, or are we seeing Palin Derangement Syndrome?

Yes, yes we are!

84 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:39:05am

RINO!
/Rove in name only

85 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:39:17am

re: #78 EmmmieG

Is it my imagination, or are we seeing Palin Derangement Syndrome?

yes, an expression of total irrationality...me, I think it's a whole lot about nothin

86 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:39:44am

re: #78 EmmmieG

Is it my imagination, or are we seeing Palin Derangement Syndrome?

Find me a conservative that doesn't drive the left into derangement.

87 brookly red  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:40:14am

re: #78 EmmmieG

Is it my imagination, or are we seeing Palin Derangement Syndrome?

/The WHO has it at level 4...

88 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:40:28am

re: #81 BigPapa

Why? You judged it worthy to link here for some reason or other. Don't let us speculate why that is.

/ask it about cap and trade

89 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:40:35am

re: #48 SpaceJesus

anybody who sincerely thinks palin stands a snowballs chance in hell of winning, or even making a good showing, in the 2012 election needs a CT scan

What kind of chance would you have given FCBBHO in 2005? The 2012 election is still far away.

90 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:41:12am

re: #74 Killian Bundy

/and you're an admitted TOTUS lover, why should the GOP care what you think?

I have many issues with Obama and many criticisms of him. I'm also not a Democrat.

The GOP can stay in its bunker licking its wounds and whining, if it wants to.

Every democracy needs at least two healthy, vibrant parties. As Americans, and not partisans, we should all want to see that. I don't want one party in charge of all branches of government. I don't want to effectively have only one party to vote for.

You, on the other hand, are an admitted troll and shitstirrer, so who cares what you think?

91 Idle Drifter  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:41:14am

Here's thought. Sarah Palin may be angling to get inside everyone's thought curve. She doesn't have to make one master stroke decision to win this political game. She just has to make a series of decisions that gets all of her opponents constantly making adjustments to their plans. She doesn't have to play this on everyone else's terms but her own. In this process she can make the small adjustments needed along the way while sticking to an overall goal. While at the same time her political opponents will over compensate and make mistakes trying to counter and dismiss her. Hell, over this weekend she has everyone talking "What the hell just happened?", even on this board. Time will tell.

92 BigJohn  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:41:29am

re: #71 MJ

She is unelectable beyond Alaska. On a national level, she has very little appeal to those outside the Republican base. You can't win national elections by appealing to just the base of either party. You might win the primary, but not the general elections.

You are way off. She has huge appeal across the country. I know female democrats that will vote for her just because she is a woman.

93 Racer X  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:41:53am

Really diggin' Melody. Gonna hafta buy her latest album - My One And Only Thrill.

94 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:42:07am

Et Tu, Jonah Goldberg?
A Letter to Sarah

Traitor!

95 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:42:32am

re: #71 MJ

She is unelectable beyond Alaska. On a national level, she has very little appeal to those outside the Republican base. You can't win national elections by appealing to just the base of either party. You might win the primary, but not the general elections.

I think that's the biggest problem Republicans face as a party, actually. So many moderates have left the party at this point that the base is dominating the primaries now. The primary system is going to give the Republicans more hard-right and socon candidates that are going to fare very poorly in the general election.

96 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:42:53am

re: #90 iceweasel

I have many issues with Obama and many criticisms of him. I'm also not a Democrat.

/but you voted for him, right?

97 AuntAcid  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:43:02am

As usual, the Republican firing squad is forming a circle.

98 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:43:11am

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Et Tu, Jonah Goldberg?
A Letter to Sarah

Traitor!

JONAH GOLDBERG IS A LIBERAL FASCIST!

99 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:43:20am

re: #90 iceweasel

we should all want to see that. I don't want one party in charge of all branches of government.

Unfortunately, the problem is with the bureaucrats that stay across admins, cf. State Dept.

100 JacksonTn  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:43:23am

re: #90 iceweasel

I have many issues with Obama and many criticisms of him. I'm also not a Democrat.

The GOP can stay in its bunker licking its wounds and whining, if it wants to.

Every democracy needs at least two healthy, vibrant parties. As Americans, and not partisans, we should all want to see that. I don't want one party in charge of all branches of government. I don't want to effectively have only one party to vote for.

You, on the other hand, are an admitted troll and shitstirrer, so who cares what you think?

IW ... have you ever voted in a U.S. Presidential Election? are you an American? ....

102 jaunte  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:44:29am

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Et Tu, Jonah Goldberg?
A Letter to Sarah

Traitor!

Here’s the good news: You have time. Here’s the better news: You have something no one else in the party has — charisma. And I don’t mean you have the most charisma like it’s a consolation prize for not being elected prom queen. If money could buy what you have, Romney would have bought it all by now. Good politicians can learn how to win over audiences, but the great ones are born with the ability. Reagan had it. Clinton had it. Obama has it. You have it. You are the “It Girl” of the GOP.

What you lack, you can learn. If knowing how to describe the situation in Pakistan or explain the “doughnut hole” in health-care coverage was all you needed to get elected, an intern with a subscription to The Economist could be president.

So here’s my advice. Stay home and do your job and your homework. You’ll still be a national figure come the primaries. But if you can’t surprise your detractors with your grasp of policy when you re-emerge on the national stage, you won’t win the nomination. More important, you won’t deserve to.

Sounds like good advice.

103 Racer X  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:44:32am

Sarah still has the ability to make Liberals pee their pants.

Heh.

104 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:45:22am

re: #90 iceweasel

I have many issues with Obama and many criticisms of him. I'm also not a Democrat.

The GOP can stay in its bunker licking its wounds and whining, if it wants to.

Every democracy needs at least two healthy, vibrant parties. As Americans, and not partisans, we should all want to see that. I don't want one party in charge of all branches of government. I don't want to effectively have only one party to vote for.

You, on the other hand, are an admitted troll and shitstirrer, so who cares what you think?

thanks for asking...I do....Killian says more in a short paragraph than you ever will with you droning, windy analysis of evrey minutia

105 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:45:25am

re: #103 Racer X

Sarah still has the ability to make Liberals pee their pants.

Heh.

Sarah has the ability to make liberals pee other people's pants.

106 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:45:43am

re: #100 JacksonTn

IW ... have you ever voted in a U.S. Presidential Election? are you an American? ....

I've voted in every US Pres election since I was 18.

107 jaunte  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:46:10am

re: #105 soxfan4life

Sarah has the ability to make liberals pee other people's pants.

Those are the People's Pants!

108 EmmmieG  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:46:35am

re: #106 iceweasel

I've voted in every US Pres election since I was 18.

Well, then you obviously don't live in Chicago, or you would have voted in every Presidential Election since you were born.

109 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:47:09am

re: #102 jaunte

I don't think anyone is interested in good advice at this point.

110 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:47:26am

re: #106 iceweasel

I've voted in every US Pres election since I was 18.

well that's more than Killgore can say

111 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:47:36am

re: #92 BigJohn

You are way off. She has huge appeal across the country. I know female democrats that will vote for her just because she is a woman.

I know female Republicans who won't vote for her because of her stance on abortion and contraception.

The rape investigation charge was incredibly offputting to women. I'm one of them. McCain lost my vote on Sarah Palin.

112 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:47:43am

re: #108 EmmmieG

Well, then you obviously don't live in Chicago, or you would have voted in every Presidential Election since you were born.

And will vote in every election until the end of time.

113 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:47:45am

re: #109 Killgore Trout

I don't think anyone is interested in good advice at this point.

No, we've entered the witchhunt and traitor stage.

114 brookly red  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:48:32am

re: #107 jaunte

Those are the People's Pants!

/that would explain the people's pockets...

115 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:48:42am

HUffpo thrilled at the prospect of being sued by Palin....
Huffington Post Blogger Shannyn Moore in Palin's Cross Hairs

116 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:49:01am

re: #113 iceweasel

No, we've entered the witchhunt and traitor stage.

excellent description of liberal intentions...I'm stealing that

117 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:49:59am

re: #106 iceweasel

I've voted in every US Pres election since I was 18.

/and who did you vote for in 2008?

118 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:50:08am

re: #111 ~Fianna

I know female Republicans who won't vote for her because of her stance on abortion and contraception.

The rape investigation charge was incredibly offputting to women. I'm one of them. McCain lost my vote on Sarah Palin.

Get ready to be told you're not a real Republican, questioned about whether you vote at all, and demands to see your passport and nirth certifikat.

/

119 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:50:47am

re: #117 Killian Bundy

/and who did you vote for in 2008?

Since when do Americans have to report who they voted for?

120 JacksonTn  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:51:08am

re: #118 iceweasel

Get ready to be told you're not a real Republican, questioned about whether you vote at all, and demands to see your passport and nirth certifikat.

/

IW ... yeah, kinda like the democrats did to any dem who wouldn't vote for Obama ... you cannot handle the truth ...

121 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:51:11am

re: #115 Killgore Trout

HUffpo thrilled at the prospect of being sued by Palin....
Huffington Post Blogger Shannyn Moore in Palin's Cross Hairs

like shooting dope for an attention junkie...what a buzz eh?

122 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:51:14am

re: #115 Killgore Trout

I checked out Moore's blog this morning. She took th post re: impending Fed indictments down.

123 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:51:56am

re: #97 AuntAcid

As usual, the Republican firing squad is forming a circle.

I can't believe you don't make the top 10 on this. Brilliant.

124 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:52:02am

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Et Tu, Jonah Goldberg?
A Letter to Sarah

Traitor!

FTA:

But if you can’t surprise your detractors with your grasp of policy when you re-emerge on the national stage, you won’t win the nomination. More important, you won’t deserve to.

Werd.

125 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:52:25am

re: #111 ~Fianna

The rape investigation charge was incredibly offputting to women

Excuse me? What are you referring to please?

126 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:52:29am

re: #109 Killgore Trout

I don't think anyone is interested in good advice at this point.

Least of all you!

127 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:52:33am

re: #119 iceweasel

Since when do Americans have to report who they voted for?

Aren't you proud of your vote?

/well, let's just guess then, I think we can safely eliminate McCain/Palin . . .

128 EmmmieG  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:52:41am

re: #124 itellu3times

Werd.

Word or weird?

129 Idle Drifter  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:53:44am

re: #122 wahabicorridor

I checked out Moore's blog this morning. She took th post re: impending Fed indictments down.

The real question is do screen shots of the before and after still exist?

130 Racer X  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:53:50am

re: #111 ~Fianna

I know female Republicans who won't vote for her because of her stance on abortion and contraception.

The rape investigation charge was incredibly offputting to women. I'm one of them. McCain lost my vote on Sarah Palin.

So how does Obama float your boat?

131 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:55:07am

re: #130 Racer X

So how does Obama float your boat?

Infanticide is a real vote getter!
/fucking moron obama voters

132 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:55:17am

re: #129 Idle Drifter

The real question is do screen shots of the before and after still exist?

They don't-- because Moore never claimed it was a "fact" that fed indictments were coming. Unlike what the Palin release claims.

133 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:55:26am

re: #130 Racer X

So how does Obama float your boat?

got a problem with contraception? vote for a commie...problem solved!

134 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:55:44am

re: #118 iceweasel

Get ready to be told you're not a real Republican, questioned about whether you vote at all, and demands to see your passport and nirth certifikat.

/

*grin* I'm not a Republican. I'm currently registered Dem because that's the only way I'd get to ever vote in a primary in the district I live in, and frankly I think who represents me on the State and County level are more important in the grand scheme of things than who is President. But I'm not really a Democrat, either. I split tickets in every election I vote in. I'm the kind of voter that the consultants hate - the one that actually wants to know what the candidates think about the issues.

For the record, I've missed exactly 1 election of any kind since I turned 18 and that was only because I'd moved to another state after the cutoff to register and vote in the municipal election that spring.

I also work for Republican candidates in my state, so I think I'm okay. :)

135 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:56:05am

re: #133 albusteve

got a problem with contraception responsibility? vote for a commie...problem solved!

FTFY

136 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:56:25am

re: #129 Idle Drifter

The real question is do screen shots of the before and after still exist?

no clue

137 Idle Drifter  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:56:43am

re: #132 iceweasel

They don't-- because Moore never claimed it was a "fact" that fed indictments were coming. Unlike what the Palin release claims.

So why take them down?

138 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:57:20am

re: #122 wahabicorridor

Nope. Still posted....
Palin’s Ethical Challenges Continue

139 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:57:29am

re: #134 ~Fianna

I split tickets in every election I vote in. I'm the kind of voter that the consultants hate - the one that actually wants to know what the candidates think about the issues.

You and me both. :)

140 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:57:44am
141 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:57:47am

re: #72 iceweasel

Absolutely. I'd agree that some of the unfair attacks on Palin were entirely due to this.

I am glad that is your attitude. It is one thing to criticise Palin on issues and experience, but way over the line to slime her & her family.
In my estimation, she is a decent person & did not get into the gutter with her detractors.

142 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:57:49am

re: #124 itellu3times

Werd.

If Palin spends this time hunkering down and brushing up on National issues and getting some media training, I think she's probably still got a chance.

If she thinks she's going to win on charisma alone, she's nuts. Those types of candidacies do well for a while, but then implode over something that makes the candidate look stupid (cf: Howard Dean).

143 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:57:58am

re: #137 Idle Drifter

So why take them down?

See KT's 138. They were never taken down.

144 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:57:58am

re: #137 Idle Drifter

So why take them down?

/because Palin's lawyers aren't making "zany", idle threats

145 Shinyhead  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:58:29am

OK, she might be nuts, but then again I think she may be taking a different angle.

She and her husband have been somewhat involved in some political groups that work outside the norm (AIP for instance) and Alaska itself tends to be outside the norm. Its probably the coldest redneck state in a way.

This is strictly conjecture, but I think she is counting on the base so to speak that is sick of politics as usual and will probably play off of the apparent loss of effectiveness of the GOP. The Republicans are going to look pretty weak in the face of the leftist push to get every program under the sun passed. Hell they already do look weak and leaderless to the average person.

By doing this, she can give the impression of coming in from the outside and not "owing" anyone, left or right. I think the potential for the appeal of someone like that is very understimated. Think of Perot with charisma instead of just ears.

I would not be at all surprised to see her courting a lot of "Tea party" republicans, libetarians and independents and pulling as a third party entrant, or trying to become such an overwhelming force the republicans get behind her to try to be on the winning ticket so to speak.

Can she pull it off though is the question. A lot of people, most notably urban types don't relate to her very well, and I think that would be a problem, but I think it can also be said a lot of urbanites might tend to the left anyway.


Just my thoughts. Back to lurking.

-Chris

146 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:58:37am

re: #9 zombie

OK, now I'm SURE she's going to win in 2012.

This thread proves it:

American simply can't stop talking about her!

Doesn't matter what Sarah Palin does, she is the top of the news. Whatever the topic, good, bad, up, down -- she's the #1 topic of conversation.

That is a recipe for victory.

Excellent idea, forget all the other qualified candidates, she's the ticket for a landslide victory against Obama. All you need to do is double the size of the Palin base to beat the middle and the left.

147 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:58:59am

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Oh! Thanks KT! I had assumed that she posted that in response to Palin's resignation - I didn't go back in time far enough.

148 JHW  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:59:10am

Blago is a smooth talker, he even quotes Kipling at the drop of a hat. I've had quite enough of the smooth talkers, oh so articulate they are.

149 JacksonTn  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 11:59:46am

re: #142 ~Fianna

If Palin spends this time hunkering down and brushing up on National issues and getting some media training, I think she's probably still got a chance.

If she thinks she's going to win on charisma alone, she's nuts. Those types of candidacies do well for a while, but then implode over something that makes the candidate look stupid (cf: Howard Dean).

Fianna ... what? ... that is the only thing Obama had (not that I thought he had it at all) and he won ... but heres hoping he implodes on the next try ...

150 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:00:09pm
151 Baelzar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:00:11pm

And I know a lot of moderates who RUN AWAY from Palin because of her religious views.

It's a wash.

152 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:00:36pm

Mike Huckabee? LOL ... Nice family photo ...

[Link: www.blogadilla.com...]

153 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:00:58pm

re: #146 avanti

Excellent idea, forget all the other qualified candidates, she's the ticket for a landslide victory against Obama. All you need to do is double the size of the Palin base to beat the middle and the left.

All that needs to be taken care of is the middle, and 0bama is doing a better job of making them Palin voters than anyone else could.

154 Idle Drifter  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:01:01pm

re: #143 iceweasel

See KT's 138. They were never taken down.

OK then, it's settled.

155 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:01:06pm

re: #141 opnion

I am glad that is your attitude. It is one thing to criticise Palin on issues and experience, but way over the line to slime her & her family.
In my estimation, she is a decent person

Agreed (with the exception of your very last clause).

Palin's family should have been off limits. She was also personally subjected to an incredible level of unfair attacks, largely sexist and misogynist but not all. (The class/accent issues you raise are another example)

I wouldn't vote for her, but I have no reason to believe she is anything but a good person who loves her family.

156 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:01:25pm
157 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:01:44pm

re: #152 _RememberTonyC

Mike Huckabee? LOL ... Nice family photo ...

[Link: www.blogadilla.com...]

Who's the dog?

158 gman  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:01:56pm

I've always been fascinated by how quickly Palin was defined in the mainstream media. It's hard to tell if the Palin meme was generated as a purely defensive measure or if it was legitimate and even- handed. Whatever the case, Republicans stand to learn from studying the ways memes are defined in the mainstream media. You cannot dismiss their importance.

159 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:02:18pm

All a defemation cliam by a public figure needs is the showing of "actual malice".

/her lawyers think they can prove that element and so do I, the "embezzlement" smear, if false, will do it

160 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:02:27pm

re: #156 taxfreekiller

what are Obama's things of note other than he loves the commie way
and has Chicago thug connections?

His love of dictators.

161 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:02:29pm

re: #147 wahabicorridor

I think the post might have been edited. I seem to recall that there was an update on the post about the FBI statement that they aren't investigating Palin. She might have removed to update to encourage Palin to sue.

162 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:02:45pm

re: #131 VegasRick

Infanticide is a real vote getter!
/fucking moron obama voters

He gets a pass on his opposition to the " The Live Infant Protection Act"
Some of his supporters even claim that it didn't happen. They are either very misinformed or are ready to open a vein for BHO.
To deny care for a live born infant is profoundly evil ,in my estimation.

163 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:03:12pm

the droolers are heavy with disconnect...just astounding the things they say.....hahaha!

164 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:03:27pm

re: #157 VegasRick

Who's the dog?

that dog is lucky to be alive ... I think one of huck's sons killed a dog back when he was a kid on a camping trip. does anyone remember that story?

165 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:03:48pm

re: #21 Irenicum

I don't get why Rove is still thought to be so smart? After all, how are we enjoying the permanent Republican majority so far?

I don't like Rove or his tactics, largely because he is so effective against my side. If the base dumps on him in support of Palin, you'll be tossing the baby out with the bath water.

166 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:04:10pm

re: #156 taxfreekiller

what are Obama's things of note other than he loves the commie way
and has Chicago thug connections?


He got a $26 billion natural gas pipeline started. No, wait....

167 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:04:45pm

re: #162 opnion

He gets a pass on his opposition to the " The Live Infant Protection Act"
Some of his supporters even claim that it didn't happen. They are either very misinformed or are ready to open a vein for BHO.
To deny care for a live born infant is profoundly evil ,in my estimation.


Apparently not as evil as denying a woman the right to public funded abortion on demand.At least to the droolers.

168 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:04:46pm

re: #158 gman

I've always been fascinated by how quickly Palin was defined in the mainstream media. It's hard to tell if the Palin meme was generated as a purely defensive measure or if it was legitimate and even- handed. Whatever the case, Republicans stand to learn from studying the ways memes are defined in the mainstream media. You cannot dismiss their importance.

PDS...Kos etc

169 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:04:49pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

I'll have to take your word for it, KT. This morning was the first (and probably last) tim I've visited her blog and frankly, I think she's got the IQ of a snowball.

170 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:05:01pm

re: #142 ~Fianna

If Palin spends this time hunkering down and brushing up on National issues and getting some media training, I think she's probably still got a chance.

If she thinks she's going to win on charisma alone, she's nuts. Those types of candidacies do well for a while, but then implode over something that makes the candidate look stupid (cf: Howard Dean).

Obama?

171 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:05:15pm

re: #162 opnion

He gets a pass on his opposition to the " The Live Infant Protection Act"
Some of his supporters even claim that it didn't happen. They are either very misinformed or are ready to open a vein for BHO.
To deny care for a live born infant is profoundly evil ,in my estimation.

Updinged for clarity. The most innocent among us. Evil is correct.

172 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:05:21pm

re: #155 iceweasel

Agreed (with the exception of your very last clause).

Palin's family should have been off limits. She was also personally subjected to an incredible level of unfair attacks, largely sexist and misogynist but not all. (The class/accent issues you raise are another example)

I wouldn't vote for her, but I have no reason to believe she is anything but a good person who loves her family.

Good for you , you are being fair.

173 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:06:26pm

re: #169 wahabicorridor

I'll have to take your word for it, KT. This morning was the first (and probably last) tim I've visited her blog and frankly, I think she's got the IQ of a snowball.

FWIW, my memory accords with KT's. I don't normally read HuffPo or Moore but the Moore article was linked in a lot of other places.

174 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:06:46pm

re: #169 wahabicorridor

I'll have to take your word for it, KT. This morning was the first (and probably last) tim I've visited her blog and frankly, I think she's got the IQ of a snowball.

Why you pickin on snowballs!
/

175 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:08:02pm

re: #130 Racer X

So how does Obama float your boat?

Disappointing on a lot of levels, but probably different ones from you. About the only thing that I'm pleased with is returning the focus to Afghanistan. I thought the Iraq war was a very expensive side-track that doesn't do much to disable Al Queda and between Afghanistan and the Swat valley, there's a resurgence of Talibani-based militancy that's infecting the West and needs to be stopped.

Post-Bush, I like the Republican party less than I used to. Too much with the socons not enough with the financial responsibility.

Frankly, my summation of both parties at this point is that they've bent around to meet in the stupid middle - they both think we're incapable of governing ourselves as a whole, the difference is that the democrats think we're too stupid and the Republicans think we're too immoral. I wish they'd all leave the rest of us alone.

I knew that I wasn't going to be enthused with an Obama administration. I was underwhelmed by the choices in both parties during the last cycle. My preference was for Romney, but I knew he wasn't going to make it all the way this time.

I admired McCain when he challenged Bush. I found him less appealing in the last cycle. He went too hard right on a lot of social issues and I don't care for how he treats or speaks about women. The air-quotes around "health of the mother" in iirc the last debate, plus the Palin pick were the last straw. I also liked his health insurance plan least, and that's an important issue to me.

The maverick thing just doesn't work for me. The President shouldn't be trying to figure out which course is the most mavericky - they should be looking for the course that works. McCain just seemed too unstable this time - the campaign suspension, the Palin pick. (Although to be fair, that wasn't his choice. He wanted Lieberman but Rove told him no way. Palin was an absolute last-minute pick that was really just another stunt. If he'd wanted a woman, Kay Hutchinson would have been a better pick.

176 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:09:09pm

re: #131 VegasRick

Infanticide is a real vote getter!
/fucking moron obama voters

You equate contraception to infanticide? Really?

177 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:09:20pm

these good old boys need to shut their yap traps.
especially the huckster. they have no idea what palin has in mind.
remember how the msm and loud mouth operatives used to call reagan a 'dumb-go-nowhere B actor?'
well sarah connects to the american voter just liker that "B actor."

178 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:09:22pm

re: #98 iceweasel

JONAH GOLDBERG IS A LIBERAL FASCIST!


Did Jonah touch a sensitive nerve with his book? Good.

[Link: liberalfascism.nationalreview.com...]

179 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:09:41pm

re: #167 soxfan4life

Apparently not as evil as denying a woman the right to public funded abortion on demand.At least to the droolers.

Obama tried to rationalize his opposition to providing care to the survivors of botched abortions as his protection of Roe v Wade.
Surely he understands that a born human is no longer able to be aborted & is entitled to medical care.
His stance on this issue convinces me that he is not driven by critical thought, but by ideology.

180 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:09:50pm
181 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:09:54pm

As a public figure she has to take the attacks. Looks like to me she is going to go after the assholes who have been bashing her non-stop. Maybe the libs on this board can start bashing someone else.
[Link: conservatives4palin.googlegroups.com...]

182 wiffersnapper  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:10:07pm

I always make sure to censor anything Huckasucka says, it's never unbiased or theocracy-free. I did read what Rove said, and it's good stuff. She's really not helping herself leaving the spotlight so early.

183 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:10:15pm

re: #176 ~Fianna

You equate contraception to infanticide? Really?

Failure to support the Infant Protection Act equals supporting infanticide.

184 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:10:24pm

re: #177 nyc redneck

these good old boys need to shut their yap traps.
especially the huckster. they have no idea what palin has in mind.
remember how the msm and loud mouth operatives used to call reagan a 'dumb-go-nowhere B actor?'
well sarah connects to the american voter just liker that "B actor."

everybody is an expert...you can't stop them, you can only hope to ignore them

185 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:10:30pm

re: #175 ~Fianna

Kay Hutchinson would have been a better pick.

Hutchison and McCain hate each other.

186 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:10:59pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Et Tu, Jonah Goldberg?
A Letter to Sarah

Traitor!

There’s a reason why the Left and much of the media establishment hated you from day one. Some hated you out of the fear that you might stop Barack Obama’s unfolding coronation. Others because you seemed to expose the snobbery, arrogance, and ideological pieties of elite feminism. Your beauty, your status as a working mom, your blue-collar husband, your bravery in taking on the political establishment in Alaska, your proud status as a pro-lifer and mother of a special-needs child: All of these things were — and are — deeply threatening to a secular left-wing cultural elite.


yep.

187 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:11:30pm

re: #158 gman

I've always been fascinated by how quickly Palin was defined in the mainstream media. It's hard to tell if the Palin meme was generated as a purely defensive measure or if it was legitimate and even- handed. Whatever the case, Republicans stand to learn from studying the ways memes are defined in the mainstream media. You cannot dismiss their importance.

Agreed. It happened so quickly. Part of the problem seems to have been that McCain hadn't finished vetting her completely when the announcement was made. Swarms of people from the MSM all descended on AK when McCain's own team was still there doing the digging. Consequently the MSM got out in front of the narrative and continued to control it. The McCain team didn't even get a chance to position their own view of Palin in place first, to dominate the newscycle. And she was relatively unknown to most Americans, so there was a blank slate waiting for someone to scribble on-- and the MSM got there first.

Another blunder by the McCain campaign, but I have always felt that they exploited and mishandled Palin from the first.

188 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:11:38pm

re: #54 Irenicum

Why thank you! Rove isn't as smart as everyone seems to think.

I don't like watching a party implode over a candidate that is becoming as divisive in her own party as she is nationally. The love for Palin is becoming a blind love that would make a Kool-Aid drinker blush.
Support her if you like, but don't throw your parties best minds under the bus for trying to be realistic about her future on the national stage.

189 Westward Ho  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:11:41pm

What does Rush have to say about this?

190 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:12:10pm

re: #176 ~Fianna

You equate contraception to infanticide? Really?

re: #183 soxfan4life

Failure to support the Infant Protection Act equals supporting infanticide.

Exactly. Fianna - I kinda like you but that was a stupid comment.

191 Wendya  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:12:12pm

re: #2 talon_262

Pardon me if I think that the GOP establishment, Rove included, is somehow rooting for Palin to crash and burn, if only to save their own asses...

We are in dire need of new leadership.

192 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:12:24pm

re: #149 JacksonTn

Fianna ... what? ... that is the only thing Obama had (not that I thought he had it at all) and he won ... but heres hoping he implodes on the next try ...

JacksonTn - I disagree. Not liking what Obama has to say and thinking that he had nothing to say aren't the same thing.

The charisma definitely helps. That's why Regan, G.W. Bush and Clinton were all 2 term presidents and GHW Bush was not.

193 cronus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:12:54pm

re: #158 gman

I've always been fascinated by how quickly Palin was defined in the mainstream media. It's hard to tell if the Palin meme was generated as a purely defensive measure or if it was legitimate and even- handed. Whatever the case, Republicans stand to learn from studying the ways memes are defined in the mainstream media. You cannot dismiss their importance.

The meme is always the same. There is little insight to be gained by Republicans by giving it more time and attention. R's are always:
1) Simpletons in comparison to their D opponents
2) Trigger happy in their application of foreign policy
3) Ignorant or indifferent to the plight of the poor

and so forth... Ronald Reagan and George Bush were both painted with variations of this brush. Both overcame it with message discipline and by seeing the mainstream media as a simple conveyor of their message vs. an amplifier of that message which it can always be counted on to be for Dems. R's never have and never will be the beneficiaries of elite mainstream media memes.

194 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:13:18pm

re: #182 wiffersnapper

I always make sure to censor anything Huckasucka says, it's never unbiased or theocracy-free. I did read what Rove said, and it's good stuff. She's really not helping herself leaving the spotlight so early.

Define helping herself. Next time Andrew Sullivan lies about her he's gonna get served.

195 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:13:31pm

re: #192 ~Fianna

re: #149 JacksonTn


The charisma teleprompter definitely helps.

Fixed that....

196 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:13:46pm
197 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:13:54pm

re: #178 FrogMarch

Did Jonah touch a sensitive nerve with his book? Good.

[Link: liberalfascism.nationalreview.com...]

If you mean the funny bone, then yes, Jonah did tickle many.

198 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:14:17pm

re: #195 Fenway_Nation

Fixed that....

LOL!

199 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:14:18pm

re: #183 soxfan4life

Failure to support the Infant Protection Act equals supporting infanticide.

We have a winner! It is nothing but supporting infanticie. Obama was the only Illinois State Senator who would not support medical care for born alive infants. That should disturb even his supporters.

200 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:14:56pm

I don't care for Ann Coulter, but occasionally she says something insightful. On the subject of Sarah Palin, she said the reasons "establishment liberal women" hate her so much are because:

1. Palin didn't go to a fancy eastern (liberal) college ... and
2. The husbands of those women say that Palin is "hot."

I think Coulter is right on both counts.

201 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:15:34pm

re: #196 taxfreekiller

the liberals herein and upon like Kaye Hutchison because she is
the nice RINO in the Senate


Hutchinson is going to be the next Gov. of TX.

202 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:15:47pm

re: #194 kansas

Define helping herself. Next time Andrew Sullivan lies about her he's gonna get served.

Gawd, I'd love to see that!

(Alan Colmes, too, he speculated that Trig's Down's syndrome was due to pre-natal neglect - and then tried to deny it.)

203 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:16:00pm

re: #188 avanti

I don't like watching a party implode over a candidate that is becoming as divisive in her own party as she is nationally. The love for Palin is becoming a blind love that would make a Kool-Aid drinker blush.
Support her if you like, but don't throw your parties best minds under the bus for trying to be realistic about her future on the national stage.

you would know....btw how do you like these?....are they yummy?
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

204 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:16:03pm

re: #171 VegasRick

Updinged for clarity. The most innocent among us. Evil is correct.

The idea that that bill would deny care to a born-alive infant has been so thoroughly debunked. Charles himself has debunked that right here on this site. No hospital anywhere can legally deny lifesaving medical treatment to anyone under any circumstances. That's the law.

That was a back-door bill to start stripping away women's rights.

205 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:16:28pm
206 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:16:31pm

re: #199 opnion

We have a winner! It is nothing but supporting infanticie. Obama was the only Illinois State Senator who would not support medical care for born alive infants. That should disturb even his supporters.

the phrase "punished w/ a baby" should have stopped people of both parties in their tracks.

207 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:16:35pm

re: #188 avanti

I don't like watching a party implode over a candidate that is becoming as divisive in her own party as she is nationally. The love for Palin is becoming a blind love that would make a Kool-Aid drinker blush.
Support her if you like, but don't throw your parties best minds under the bus for trying to be realistic about her future on the national stage.


I don't disagree with your point here, but I find your crocodile tears disingenuous.

208 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:16:56pm

re: #188 avanti

I don't like watching a party implode over a candidate that is becoming as divisive in her own party as she is nationally. The love for Palin is becoming a blind love that would make a Kool-Aid drinker blush.
Support her if you like, but don't throw your parties best minds under the bus for trying to be realistic about her future on the national stage.

Yes, of course, avanti. She's just so...divisive.

To paraphrase one of your fellow "lefties" from yesterday: Filled with hate. Makes enemies easily.

Excuse me. My breakfast is approaching my throat.

209 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:17:04pm

re: #202 wahabicorridor

Gawd, I'd love to see that!

(Alan Colmes, too, he speculated that Trig's Down's syndrome was due to pre-natal neglect - and then tried to deny it.)

Colmes also blogged that Trig was not Sarahs baby & then took it down.

210 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:17:13pm

re: #200 _RememberTonyC

I don't care for Ann Coulter, but occasionally she says something insightful. On the subject of Sarah Palin, she said the reasons "establishment liberal women" hate her so much are because:

1. Palin didn't go to a fancy eastern (liberal) college ... and
2. The husbands of those women say that Palin is "hot."

She missing another aspect. Todd is also a hunk and he wouldn't give any of those liberal skanks a second thought - which infuriates them.

I think Coulter is right on both counts.

211 Wendya  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:17:16pm

re: #200 _RememberTonyC

I don't care for Ann Coulter, but occasionally she says something insightful. On the subject of Sarah Palin, she said the reasons "establishment liberal women" hate her so much are because:

1. Palin didn't go to a fancy eastern (liberal) college ... and
2. The husbands of those women say that Palin is "hot."

I think Coulter is right on both counts.

Palin didn't choose the path feminists claim is necessary for success and happiness in life, yet she achieved both.

They feel insecure when they see her.

212 KingKenrod  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:17:17pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

I think the post might have been edited. I seem to recall that there was an update on the post about the FBI statement that they aren't investigating Palin. She might have removed to update to encourage Palin to sue.

If she did, then she's triple stupid.

First, it helps prove malicious intent.

Second, if she does get sued by Palin, it will cost her a bunch of money but WILL NOT DAMAGE Palin if Palin loses the suit because no one will blame Palin for trying to protect her reputation except those who already hate her. Just because you lose in court doesn't mean you lose in the court of public opinion.

Third, what does it say about her credibility as a blogger to be altering posts? Only un-trustworthy people do that.

213 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:17:22pm
214 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:17:45pm

re: #197 iceweasel

If you mean the funny bone, then yes, Jonah did tickle many.

I don't find fascism funny. It's old and tired.

215 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:18:12pm

re: #202 wahabicorridor

Did you see this?
[Link: conservatives4palin.googlegroups.com...]

216 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:18:17pm

re: #197 iceweasel

If you mean the funny bone, then yes, Jonah did tickle many.

Than again, I doubt you've read it.

217 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:18:25pm

re: #214 FrogMarch

I don't find fascism funny. It's old and tired.

Which is why it's a bad idea to dilute the meaning of the word the way Jonah did.

218 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:18:28pm

By the way, did they ever find out who torched Palin's church?

219 Wendya  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:18:38pm

re: #188 avanti


Support her if you like, but don't throw your parties best minds under the bus for trying to be realistic about her future on the national stage.

Our parties best minds? You mean the ones who gave us McCain?

They belong under the bus.

220 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:18:55pm

re: #212 KingKenrod

Let some of these asshole bloggers and people filing unsubstantiated charges against Palin get a taste of their own medicine, and huge legal bills.

221 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:19:05pm

re: #187 iceweasel

Agreed. It happened so quickly. Part of the problem seems to have been that McCain hadn't finished vetting her completely when the announcement was made. Swarms of people from the MSM all descended on AK when McCain's own team was still there doing the digging. Consequently the MSM got out in front of the narrative and continued to control it. The McCain team didn't even get a chance to position their own view of Palin in place first, to dominate the newscycle. And she was relatively unknown to most Americans, so there was a blank slate waiting for someone to scribble on-- and the MSM got there first.

Another blunder by the McCain campaign, but I have always felt that they exploited and mishandled Palin from the first.

I think McCain used her as an FU to Rove.

222 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:19:15pm

re: #209 opnion

Colmes also blogged that Trig was not Sarahs baby & then took it down.

Oh, I missed that, thought only Sullivan tried to pull that. Did you know Colmes is married to Monica Crowley's sister? How did that happen?

223 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:19:37pm
224 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:19:38pm

re: #192 ~Fianna

JacksonTn - I disagree. Not liking what Obama has to say and thinking that he had nothing to say aren't the same thing.

The charisma definitely helps. That's why Regan, G.W. Bush and Clinton were all 2 term presidents and GHW Bush was not.

"Read my lips, I will not raise taxes" and denying an ongoing recession cost Bush Sr. his Presidency.

225 Bloodnok  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:19:59pm

Smiling theocratic backbiter. I like that. A lot.

226 Wendya  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:20:00pm

re: #217 iceweasel

Which is why it's a bad idea to dilute the meaning of the word the way Jonah did.

Why should we accept the leftist definition?

Fascism has more than a social component. The economic side is pure leftism.

227 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:20:22pm

re: #220 soxfan4life

Let some of these asshole bloggers and people filing unsubstantiated charges against Palin get a taste of their own medicine, and huge legal bills.

yup, I'm in...where do I donate?...this is not free speech

228 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:20:33pm

re: #222 wahabicorridor

Oh, I missed that, thought only Sullivan tried to pull that. Did you know Colmes is married to Monica Crowley's sister? How did that happen?

How did Carville and Mary Matalin ever marry?

229 Salem  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:20:36pm

That's it, kick the raped woman again. Meanwhile an openly corrupt communist scumbag who is worshipped by the media has his own army of election stealers and is destroying the country unchallenged gets another pass.

230 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:20:41pm

re: #207 _RememberTonyC

I don't disagree with your point here, but I find your crocodile tears disingenuous.

/it just fascinates me watching Bonkeys trip over themselves to offer Republicans "helpful advice" to win the next election

231 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:20:48pm

re: #225 Bloodnok

Smiling theocratic backbiter. I like that. A lot.

Me too. Huck's an ass.

232 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:20:58pm

re: #218 Fenway_Nation

By the way, did they ever find out who torched Palin's church?

Now that was just a coincidence that Palin was a member.////

233 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:21:24pm
234 ear-to-hear  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:21:24pm

re: #79 gatorbait

Some of the more vocal and vitriolic amongst the crazed Left may also soon assume a condition of targethood themselves and be required to defend in court their various, false, defamatory screeds about her .... may they be totally beggared... such delicious irony. It's what they intended for her.

235 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:21:28pm

re: #228 soxfan4life

How did Carville and Mary Matalin ever marry?

one is blind and the other can't see

236 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:21:33pm

re: #221 ~Fianna

I think McCain used her as an FU to Rove.

Really? how? I'm curious! (i wasn't following the backstory behind McCain's campaign very closely)

237 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:21:37pm

re: #204 ~Fianna

The idea that that bill would deny care to a born-alive infant has been so thoroughly debunked. Charles himself has debunked that right here on this site. No hospital anywhere can legally deny lifesaving medical treatment to anyone under any circumstances. That's the law.

That was a back-door bill to start stripping away women's rights.

That was not the case when the issue broke. It was an incident at Christ Hospital In Oak Lawn , IL. A surving infant was placed in the soiled linen closet to die. The nurse who went in and cradled the dying baby testified before the Illinois Senate.
The issue is that Obama was the only Illinois State Senator to fail to vote to compel medical care in such instances.

238 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:22:32pm
239 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:22:50pm

re: #204 ~Fianna

The idea that that bill would deny care to a born-alive infant has been so thoroughly debunked. Charles himself has debunked that right here on this site. No hospital anywhere can legally deny lifesaving medical treatment to anyone under any circumstances. That's the law.

That was a back-door bill to start stripping away women's rights.

Usual 'choice, it's my body' argument. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

240 alegrias  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:22:57pm

Governor Huckabee may have been up against all Democrats in his state once upon a time.

Huckabee was relatively UNKNOWN, FAT & UGLY, not slim, attractive, sexy, athletic, super fertile.

Huckabee did not oppose and take down his own party's corrupt Alaskan Governor Murkowski, nor did Huckabee wow the GOP Convention and GOP base as John McCain's candidate for Vice President.

Sorry, Governor Huckabee, you were a big fish in backwater Arkansas, while Palin made a bigger target after her splash in the big leagues.

Huckabee's jealosy (after also having been used & dumped by the McCain campaign) is showing.

241 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:23:09pm

re: #237 opnion

That was not the case when the issue broke. It was an incident at Christ Hospital In Oak Lawn , IL. A surving infant was placed in the soiled linen closet to die. The nurse who went in and cradled the dying baby testified before the Illinois Senate.
The issue is that Obama was the only Illinois State Senator to fail to vote to compel medical care in such instances.

With 0bama in office we are going to get the same treatment without the cradling nurse.

242 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:23:20pm

re: #189 Westward Ho

What does Rush have to say about this?

He's on vacation for the next week. I'll bet he's gonna pop from not being able to talk about it to his audience.

243 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:23:23pm

re: #228 soxfan4life

How did Carville and Mary Matalin ever marry?

They married because they are equally soulless and lack all personal convictions; they see it all as a game. Either of them could just as easily have been an operative for the other side.

244 MJ  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:23:32pm

re: #188 avanti

I don't like watching a party implode over a candidate that is becoming as divisive in her own party as she is nationally. The love for Palin is becoming a blind love that would make a Kool-Aid drinker blush.
Support her if you like, but don't throw your parties best minds under the bus for trying to be realistic about her future on the national stage.

Avanti, I think you might be on to something.
There's just way too much paranoia and conspiracy mongering going on with the Republican Party.
So you don't think Palin can win a national election? Blame it Republican insiders who want to sink her; blame it on the media; blame it on anything but the fact that Palin did not appeal beyond a dedicated base of the Republican Party.
I doubt that Palin could carry 50% of this blog but some want to believe she's going to carry independents and moderates.
She's history. As Satchel Paige once said, "Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you."

245 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:23:38pm

re: #206 nyc redneck

the phrase "punished w/ a baby" should have stopped people of both parties in their tracks.

Do you have any idea how many women are told that as teenagers? I know that I was - don't have sex or God will punish you with a baby. If you didn't hear crap like that (or no one told your sisters crap like that) good for you, but it's a pretty common sentiment.

246 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:23:45pm
247 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:24:13pm

re: #222 wahabicorridor

Oh, I missed that, thought only Sullivan tried to pull that. Did you know Colmes is married to Monica Crowley's sister? How did that happen?

Actually, I saw him with her on TV. She seems nice , but Monica got the looks.

248 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:24:21pm
249 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:25:12pm

re: #199 opnion

We have a winner! It is nothing but supporting infanticie. Obama was the only Illinois State Senator who would not support medical care for born alive infants. That should disturb even his supporters.

You keep repeating the same misstatement about a law that was simple designed to chip away at choice. Infanticide was and is illegal in all 50 states. A law giving a non viable fetus "personhood" was even opposed by the AMA.

250 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:25:19pm

re: #215 kansas

Oh, thanks for that! So the consitution of Alaska on the 'free speech' bit was quite interesting.

Also, interesting is the note that Shannyn Moore repeated the allegation after Palin announced her resignation - which is what I thought when I went looking for - and could not find - said post this morning. Killgore found the 6/25 post but there is nothing from 7/3 on.

251 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:25:22pm

re: #248 taxfreekiller

RRR's
Reservation, Redistribution, Retribution,
Commie Democrat Party of U.S. Platform.


Where does race baiting and rigging elections fall in there.

252 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:25:24pm

re: #241 soxfan4life

With 0bama in office we are going to get the same treatment without the cradling nurse.

We must be punished donchaknow.

253 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:25:59pm

KosKidz eager for attention from Palin's lawyers too....
Van Flien and Palin can go blow it out their a$$, we will say what we like


Sarah Palin and Thomas Van Flien are lizard people from the planet Tralfamador disguised as human beings, the Palin children were hatched in an incubator, Todd Palin is a mutant whose super power is to remind us of Kevin Federline, and Thomas Van Flein engaged in sexual acts with a donkey and a snowblower.
254 Bloodnok  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:26:33pm

re: #236 iceweasel

Really? how? I'm curious! (i wasn't following the backstory behind McCain's campaign very closely)

Hey IW. How goes it. How is my favorite "I-may-not-always-agree-with-them-politically-but -I-can-respect-an-intelligent-person-when-I-see-on e-and-be-civil" poster this morning? Hope you are well!

255 alegrias  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:26:36pm

re: #208 capitalist piglet

Yes, of course, avanti. She's just so...divisive.

To paraphrase one of your fellow "lefties" from yesterday: Filled with hate. Makes enemies easily.

Excuse me. My breakfast is approaching my throat.

* * * *
Hey, don't harm yourself by choking on your breakfast--aim it at disingenuous Koolaid drinking Avanti.

256 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:27:06pm

re: #253 Killgore Trout

KosKidz eager for attention from Palin's lawyers too....
Van Flien and Palin can go blow it out their a$$, we will say what we like

You have lost it.

257 Bloodnok  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:27:32pm

re: #254 Bloodnok

Hey IW. How goes it. How is my favorite "I-may-not-always-agree-with-them-politically-but -I-can-respect-an-intelligent-person-when-I-see-on e-and-be-civil" poster this morning? Hope you are well!

Ugh. Afternoon. Up too late last night....

258 Baelzar  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:27:43pm

So who will be to blame for Palin's loss in 2012?

259 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:27:47pm

re: #224 unrealizedviewpoint

"Read my lips, I will not raise taxes" and denying an ongoing recession cost Bush Sr. his Presidency.

That and he looked old and tired and Clinton was much more charismatic.

Clinton made it through all his scandals based on charisma. People just tended to like him, same as G.W. Bush, so even if the weren't exactly happy with him, they still liked him.

260 Idle Drifter  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:27:48pm

Now for something totally random.

Jabberwocky

re: #246 Killgore
Trout

OT: Wild Russian Pet

Nice cat.

261 SurferDoc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:27:49pm

re: #219 Wendya

Our parties best minds? You mean the ones who gave us McCain?

They belong under the bus.

Upding!

262 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:28:03pm

I never read the daily kos but somehow I always seem to know what the koskids are saying? I wonder why?

263 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:28:07pm

re: #253 Killgore Trout

KosKidz eager for attention from Palin's lawyers too....
Van Flien and Palin can go blow it out their a$$, we will say what we like

Much like Sarah's response to Letterman they won't give the Kos kids the increased reader hits.

264 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:28:47pm

re: #254 Bloodnok

Hey IW. How goes it. How is my favorite "I-may-not-always-agree-with-them-politically-but -I-can-respect-an-intelligent-person-when-I-see-on e-and-be-civil" poster this morning? Hope you are well!

Hey Nok! I'm ok this am...How are you doing?

265 Bloodnok  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:29:06pm

re: #262 Nevergiveup

I never read the daily kos but somehow I always seem to know what the koskids are saying? I wonder why?

You must ask Charles that every time he posts a Kos article, huh...

266 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:29:08pm

re: #207 _RememberTonyC

I don't disagree with your point here, but I find your crocodile tears disingenuous.

I anyone says they want just one viable party, they are disingenuous at best, ignorant at worst. Without a real choice, why have elections ?

267 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:29:44pm

re: #262 Nevergiveup

I never read the daily kos but somehow I always seem to know what the koskids are saying? I wonder why?

Uhhh....libtards here keeping quoting them?

268 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:29:52pm
269 Shinyhead  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:29:59pm

re: #244 MJ

She might not carry 50%, but if she did push as an independent it would have a much larger impact on the republicans than the democrats. So for good or ill, I bet they pay pretty close attention to her.

270 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:30:01pm

re: #249 avanti

You keep repeating the same misstatement about a law that was simple designed to chip away at choice. Infanticide was and is illegal in all 50 states. A law giving a non viable fetus "personhood" was even opposed by the AMA.

No I am not mistating. Federal law now trumps states.
At the time that the incident took place at Christ Hospital the baby was not protected.
Pray tell me how providing care to a living human being of any description chips away at choice?
Obama made that arguement & even the most Liberal members of the Illuionos Senate rejected it.
Are you saying that the Federal Law chips away at choice?

271 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:30:06pm

re: #253 Killgore Trout

KosKidz eager for attention from Palin's lawyers too....
Van Flien and Palin can go blow it out their a$$, we will say what we like

instead of hanging out at Kos, show us links to the crude, disgusting, racist right wing blog stuff you posted about earlier....that would be interesting rather than this childish tripe

272 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:30:07pm

re: #228 soxfan4life

How did Carville and Mary Matalin ever marry?

They wrote a pretty good book together "All's Fair" about their time working on opposing campaigns when there was no way they could see each other.

Apparently they have GREAT, fun fights. (She mentions wanting to rip his face off more than once)

273 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:30:12pm

re: #236 iceweasel

Really? how? I'm curious! (i wasn't following the backstory behind McCain's campaign very closely)

My understanding is that McCain wanted to tap Lieberman for the VP slot. Rove blew an absolute gasket and told him that there would be a floor fight on national tv at the convention if he did.

That's why the McCain team was still on the ground vetting in Alaska when the media got up there. It was like a week between McCain meeting her for the first time and the announcement.

274 Bloodnok  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:30:12pm

re: #264 iceweasel

Hey Nok! I'm ok this am...How are you doing?

I think my 257 answers that!

275 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:30:15pm

re: #266 avanti

I anyone says they want just one viable party, they are disingenuous at best, ignorant at worst. Without a real choice, why have elections ?

Because some people are more interested in being partisan than anything else.

276 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:30:27pm

re: #253 Killgore Trout

Are you trying to point out Palin haters bad behavior or Palin's supposed bad behavior by trying to sue them?

277 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:30:42pm

re: #265 Bloodnok

You must ask Charles that every time he posts a Kos article, huh...

I'm not happy about it. We have butted heads plenty. So I am not sure what you are talking about.

278 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:30:51pm

re: #258 Baelzar

So who will be to blame for Palin's loss in 2012?

Easy, the MSM, and ACORN.

279 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:30:52pm

re: #258 Baelzar

So who will be to blame for Palin's loss in 2012?

whoa!...what was the score dood?

280 alegrias  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:31:21pm

re: #243 iceweasel

They married because they are equally soulless and lack all personal convictions; they see it all as a game. Either of them could just as easily have been an operative for the other side.

* * * *
Factual error.
Mary Matalin is neither soul-less nor lacking personal conviction.
Mary Matalin remains a staunch supporter of the Cheneys, father & daughter.
Mary Matalin raised funds for the defense of Scooter Libby who was wrongfully accused of lying about Valerie Plame's husband Joe Wilson the Iraq yellow cake hunter.

Mary Matalin may have married a partisan democrat, but she herself is an honorable person.

281 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:31:37pm

re: #268 buzzsawmonkey

You should be glad that they managed to find soulless solace in each other.

Haha-- upding!

282 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:31:50pm

re: #263 soxfan4life

Palin has opened the floodgates. This is going to be a deluge of bloggers seeing who can be the most offensive to get attention.

283 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:32:15pm

re: #237 opnion

That was not the case when the issue broke. It was an incident at Christ Hospital In Oak Lawn , IL. A surving infant was placed in the soiled linen closet to die. The nurse who went in and cradled the dying baby testified before the Illinois Senate.
The issue is that Obama was the only Illinois State Senator to fail to vote to compel medical care in such instances.

I have to agree with ~Fianna that any such action would have been completely illegal.

I can't find any news references to it - only to the subsequent story publicized by Right To Life sites. Can you provide a reference to a news article describing the incident that doesn't have a special interest group's fingerprints all over it? There must be some - it is, after all, a patently illegal act that would have attracted enormous attention when brought to light, and charges would surely have been filed and reported upon.

284 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:32:31pm

re: #280 alegrias

* * * *
Factual error.
Mary Matalin is neither soul-less nor lacking personal conviction.
Mary Matalin remains a staunch supporter of the Cheneys, father & daughter.
Mary Matalin raised funds for the defense of Scooter Libby who was wrongfully accused of lying about Valerie Plame's husband Joe Wilson the Iraq yellow cake hunter.

Mary Matalin may have married a partisan democrat, but she herself is an honorable person.

I'm sorry, but that last statement is a contradiction and shows her extremely poor judgment.

285 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:32:36pm

re: #245 ~Fianna

Do you have any idea how many women are told that as teenagers? I know that I was - don't have sex or God will punish you with a baby. If you didn't hear crap like that (or no one told your sisters crap like that) good for you, but it's a pretty common sentiment.

i have never heard the phrase until it casually came out of o's mouth.
i would never use the word "punishment" the way o did to describe his unborn grandchild. his use of the phrase shows him to be a very cold uncaring person.
it was a window to his soul.
just imagine if one of his daughters did become pregnant and wanted her baby and didn't see it as a punishment at all. odd how that didn't even occur to him.

286 SurferDoc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:33:09pm

re: #280 alegrias

* * * *
Factual error.
Mary Matalin is neither soul-less nor lacking personal conviction.
Mary Matalin remains a staunch supporter of the Cheneys, father & daughter.
Mary Matalin raised funds for the defense of Scooter Libby who was wrongfully accused of lying about Valerie Plame's husband Joe Wilson the Iraq yellow cake hunter.

Mary Matalin may have married a partisan democrat, but she herself is an honorable person.

However, she did marry a reptile...

287 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:33:18pm

re: #228 soxfan4life

How did Carville and Mary Matalin ever marry?

A yipping, nipping mongrel marries a princess.

288 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:33:35pm

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Palin has opened the floodgates. This is going to be a deluge of bloggers seeing who can be the most offensive to get attention.

Hopefully her lawyer stuffs it to every one of them. By no longer being a public official is she given protection by libel and slander laws? Wouldn't that be a hoot if she resigned so that she could start suing the same assholes suing her.

289 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:33:40pm

re: #284 kansas

I'm sorry, but that last statement is a contradiction and shows her extremely poor judgment.

Ah who can figure out love. I give her a pass.

290 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:34:33pm

re: #276 BigPapa

Are you trying to point out Palin haters bad behavior or Palin's supposed bad behavior by trying to sue them?

Both.

291 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:34:42pm

re: #283 SixDegrees

I have to agree with ~Fianna that any such action would have been completely illegal.

I can't find any news references to it - only to the subsequent story publicized by Right To Life sites. Can you provide a reference to a news article describing the incident that doesn't have a special interest group's fingerprints all over it? There must be some - it is, after all, a patently illegal act that would have attracted enormous attention when brought to light, and charges would surely have been filed and reported upon.

Thanks, SixDegrees... I was just googling to see if I could find anything like that in the news.

I wasn't able to, either.

292 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:35:20pm

re: #273 ~Fianna

My understanding is that McCain wanted to tap Lieberman for the VP slot. Rove blew an absolute gasket and told him that there would be a floor fight on national tv at the convention if he did.

That's why the McCain team was still on the ground vetting in Alaska when the media got up there. It was like a week between McCain meeting her for the first time and the announcement.

Oh, that makes sense! Yes, I'd heard he'd spent a total of two hours in person with her before the announcement. Now it makes sense. Thanks.

293 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:35:54pm

re: #285 nyc redneck

i have never heard the phrase until it casually came out of o's mouth.
i would never use the word "punishment" the way o did to describe his unborn grandchild. his use of the phrase shows him to be a very cold uncaring person.
it was a window to his soul.
just imagine if one of his daughters did become pregnant and wanted her baby and didn't see it as a punishment at all. odd how that didn't even occur to him.


Imagine the MSM outrage if someone else had referred to 0bama's unborn grandchildren in the same fashion.

294 MJ  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:36:05pm

re: #289 Nevergiveup

Did you read this article in, of all places, Haaretz?

Israel is bullied because it acts like a doormat

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

295 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:36:19pm

re: #271 albusteve

instead of hanging out at Kos, show us links to the crude, disgusting, racist right wing blog stuff you posted about earlier....that would be interesting rather than this childish tripe

There's a bunch here. This stuff is not hard to find, Search it out for yourself.

296 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:37:01pm

Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salaam Fayad said Jews would enjoy freedom and civil rights in a future Palestinian state, a US paper reported on Sunday.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Yeah Right Sure? But first all the Jews have to get the fuck out, then after the fact, they can try to get back in?

297 alegrias  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:37:10pm

re: #245 ~Fianna

Do you have any idea how many women are told that as teenagers? I know that I was - don't have sex or God will punish you with a baby. If you didn't hear crap like that (or no one told your sisters crap like that) good for you, but it's a pretty common sentiment.

* * * * *
There's no question that having & raising children is hard, requiring SACRIFICE and a sense of DUTY.

HONOR, DUTY, COUNTRY and forming families & raising productive citizens, can be "punishing" while being REWARDING.

298 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:37:51pm

re: #270 opnion

No I am not mistating. Federal law now trumps states.
At the time that the incident took place at Christ Hospital the baby was not protected.
Pray tell me how providing care to a living human being of any description chips away at choice?
Obama made that arguement & even the most Liberal members of the Illuionos Senate rejected it.
Are you saying that the Federal Law chips away at choice?

The Federal law did not call any fetus, viable or otherwise a "person: and due all rights. Illinois already had a law on the books stating that if an infant was born live as a result of an abortion, and if the doctor determined that fetus viable, that it needed to be provided with medical care.
This new law widened that determination to fetus that exhibited any sign of life. Even if this fetus was so early in term that it wouldn't survive despite efforts, doctors under this new proposal were supposed to try and save it.

299 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:37:54pm

re: #245 ~Fianna

Do you have any idea how many women are told that as teenagers? I know that I was - don't have sex or God will punish you with a baby. If you didn't hear crap like that (or no one told your sisters crap like that) good for you, but it's a pretty common sentiment.

I don't know where you're from.
I do know that I was never told that God would "punish" me with a baby.
Ever. Nor were any of the girls I was friends with during HS years when that's when that would have been said. I know. We talked.

300 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:37:55pm

re: #285 nyc redneck

i have never heard the phrase until it casually came out of o's mouth.
i would never use the word "punishment" the way o did to describe his unborn grandchild. his use of the phrase shows him to be a very cold uncaring person.
it was a window to his soul.
just imagine if one of his daughters did become pregnant and wanted her baby and didn't see it as a punishment at all. odd how that didn't even occur to him.

I'm glad that you haven't. I think it's obnoxious. It just didn't trigger me because that's the "no sex" spiel that I grew up hearing.

For a young woman who is unmarried, having a baby is pretty socially punishing. It's a hard enough job when the child is loved and wanted and has two adults and an extended family who are prepared for it and ready to care for it. I had 3 friends who were chucked out of their house because they got pregnant and it embarrassed their families.

Their lives were VERY hard.

301 redc1c4  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:38:24pm

re: #251 soxfan4life

Where does race baiting and rigging elections fall in there.

in the r's?

302 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:39:16pm

re: #294 MJ

Did you read this article in, of all places, Haaretz?

Israel is bullied because it acts like a doormat

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Just saw it. Maybe on day Israel will have a strong leader again, but I don't see him on the horizon? Sigh.

303 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:39:39pm

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Palin has opened the floodgates.

That is true. We all know what it seems Palin is trying to prove. But what are they trying to prove? There is a fundamental tinge of childishness inherent in all if it, underlying the caste of intellectualism expressed in blog posts saying;

Sarah Palin and Thomas Van Flien are lizard people from the planet Tralfamador disguised as human beings, the Palin children were hatched in an incubator, Todd Palin is a mutant whose super power is to remind us of Kevin Federline, and Thomas Van Flein engaged in sexual acts with a donkey and a snowblower.

Of course they're speaking in jest. Just like Colbert and Stewart are every night. But let's continue to criticize Palin for her behavior and not anybody else for theirs, shall we?

304 redc1c4  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:39:44pm

re: #289 Nevergiveup

Ah who can figure out love. I give her a pass.

somebody made a pass, is my guess......

305 MJ  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:40:38pm

re: #296 Nevergiveup

Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salaam Fayad said Jews would enjoy freedom and civil rights in a future Palestinian state, a US paper reported on Sunday.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Yeah Right Sure? But first all the Jews have to get the fuck out, then after the fact, they can try to get back in?

Tell you. Let's try this as an experiment:
When Jews can be granted Jordanian citizenship than maybe we'll start to talk.
When Jews can worship in a synagogue in Saudi Arabia then maybe we'll start to talk.
When Jewish assets which were stolen in Iraq are returned or paid for, then maybe we'll talk.
When Jewish assets which were stolen in Egypt are returned or paid for, then maybe we'll talk.

306 Grand Poobah  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:40:57pm

This essentially confirms what I have said all along. Huckabee is just out for himself, he and his puritanical peons are only bad news for the Republican party.
This man doesn't care about economics or prosperity, as long as he claims he's speaking from God, he'll have some political clout. It's a damn shame this guy's main calling card is that he is a "Christian," because he clearly isn't.

He is a power hungry, ill-mannered, classless, and base politician who only seeks his own self betterment, to hell with whoever he claims to stand with.

307 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:41:15pm

re: #303 BigPapa

We all know what it seems Palin is trying to prove. But what are they trying to prove?


They are proving that free speech is still alive and well. It's the cornerstone of our society.

308 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:41:17pm
309 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:41:31pm
310 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:42:02pm

re: #305 MJ

Tell you. Let's try this as an experiment:
When Jews can be granted Jordanian citizenship than maybe we'll start to talk.
When Jews can worship in a synagogue in Saudi Arabia then maybe we'll start to talk.
When Jewish assets which were stolen in Iraq are returned or paid for, then maybe we'll talk.
When Jewish assets which were stolen in Egypt are returned or paid for, then maybe we'll talk.

Sounds good to me. And lets throw in all the property the Jews left behind in Russia when they got kicked out, killed, or otherwise.

311 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:42:25pm

re: #283 SixDegrees

I have to agree with ~Fianna that any such action would have been completely illegal.

I can't find any news references to it - only to the subsequent story publicized by Right To Life sites. Can you provide a reference to a news article describing the incident that doesn't have a special interest group's fingerprints all over it? There must be some - it is, after all, a patently illegal act that would have attracted enormous attention when brought to light, and charges would surely have been filed and reported upon.


The Chicago Tribune covered it. As I recall, at the time of the incident the Federal Legislation had not been enated, although it was before the Illinois Senate took up the matte

312 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:42:30pm

re: #300 ~Fianna

I'm glad that you haven't. I think it's obnoxious. It just didn't trigger me because that's the "no sex" spiel that I grew up hearing.

For a young woman who is unmarried, having a baby is pretty socially punishing. It's a hard enough job when the child is loved and wanted and has two adults and an extended family who are prepared for it and ready to care for it. I had 3 friends who were chucked out of their house because they got pregnant and it embarrassed their families.

Their lives were VERY hard.

Well, then, it was the families who were "punishing" those girls, not God and not the baby.

My daughter was pregnant at 15.
A difficult situation, all the way around.
But I told her to ignore any school taunts (she finished the school year), and hold her head high, for not sneaking away and getting an abortion but choosing, instead, the more difficult course.

I would guess there are families who would chuck their kids out. But that is the family's punishment of the kid, and shame on them.

313 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:42:45pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

They are proving that free speech is still alive and well. It's the cornerstone of our society.

Try saying those things about Obama and see what happens to the cornerstone.

314 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:43:26pm

re: #295 Killgore Trout

There's a bunch here. This stuff is not hard to find, Search it out for yourself.

I scanned 16 pages of that...there is certainly not a bunch there, nothing derogatory let alone worse....very poor example

315 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:43:28pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

They are proving that free speech is still alive and well. It's the cornerstone of our society.

Do they say things like that about zero and his children? I doubt it. If so I'd like to see it. And if not then they are just assholes.

316 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:44:03pm
317 alegrias  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:44:07pm

re: #284 kansas

I'm sorry, but that last statement is a contradiction and shows her extremely poor judgment.

* * * *
Mary Matalin the high achiever remains apparently happily married to the father of her children and successful & fulfilled in her family & work life.

That's a kind of success half of Americans don't achieve without good judgment.

318 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:44:12pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

They are proving that free speech is still alive and well. It's the cornerstone of our society.

To a point.

/you can't say anything you feel like saying, in public, there are well settled defamation laws in this country

319 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:44:30pm

re: #297 alegrias

* * * * *
There's no question that having & raising children is hard, requiring SACRIFICE and a sense of DUTY.

HONOR, DUTY, COUNTRY and forming families & raising productive citizens, can be "punishing" while being REWARDING.

I'm not debating that. I'm just stating what I was told as part of "the talk" when I was about 13. I doubt my parents came up with on their own, either. The idea of punishment being equated with women's sexuality is not an unheard of notion in this country.

I don't understand why contraception is such a debated issue. If we really want to reduce the rate of abortions (and anyone who is sane and not a monster does want to reduce the rate of abortions) pretending people just aren't going to have sex (especially teen-aged people, who have lots of hormones and not so much good judgment) is inane.

Any time something comes up that deals with the sexual behavior of teenaged girls, people tend to go nuts. Look at the debate over the HPV vaccine. HPV kills women. HPV is also really common. They have a vaccine that will help prevent that, but it needs to be administered early before any possible exposure to the disease... but by preventing disease the argument ran, we were somehow giving girls "permission" to have sex and that was just wrong and bad and blahblahblah. Talk about being punished!

320 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:44:33pm

re: #315 VegasRick

Do they say things like that about zero and his children? I doubt it. If so I'd like to see it. And if not then they are just assholes.


If they did they would be racist don't ya know?

321 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:44:38pm

re: #313 kansas

See #295

322 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:44:39pm
323 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:44:43pm

re: #314 albusteve

I scanned 16 pages of that...there is certainly not a bunch there, nothing derogatory let alone worse....very poor example

That's a lib trick. Make a statement, post an irrelevant link, and then allege that the link supports it. Assume most won't check.

324 Silvergirl  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:44:54pm

I had to log in just so I could upding this thread for the perfect description Charles wrote:

Smiling theocratic backbiter Mike Huckabee

325 bartok1001  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:45:01pm

The premature leaving of Palin from her office only makes sense and under two circumstances:

A. She has family issues that require her full attention, or

B. She is under investigation in Alaska and has to resign because of some questionable acts.

Regardless of the reasons above, she has hurt herself if she decides to run for President because one can legitimately argue that she puts her own concerns ahead of that of the office that she has occupied or will occupy. This is a damning argument, i.e., she can't take the heat.

It may later come out that she decided to leave her office to concentrate on running for President by starting a talk show (a la Huckabee) or moving along some conservative based movement. Although these options may sound good for her on paper, once again one can argue that she doesn't take the responsibilities of her office seriously. Her opponents will argue that she is a quitter and that she won't be able to handle the pressures of being President, because she left her office as Governor of Alaska prematurely.

That does not mean that she cannot be a significant voice in the Republican party as a pundit or advocate of certain issues, but her public office life will have to take a breather.

If she wants to run for President in 2012, she definitely has made a big mistake. This doesn't mean she can't recover from it, but she has put herself in a much worse position than if she would have stayed on as Governor to at least serve the rest of her term.

326 GGMac  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:45:07pm

re: #10 jorline

The Huckster doesn't make sense 95% of the time.
Pot calling the kettle black?

I know....racist!

Huckabee is a snarky weasel, and the reason McCain was nominated. The Huckster knew he didn't have a chance in hell of winning it; he insisted on staying in for the sole reason of splittiing the vote 3 ways. He detests Romney, and acting the spoiler was the only way he could hope to block Romney getting the nod.

One of the few things worse than an unethical lawyer is a preacher behaving like one.

Full disclosure: Mr. GGMac is a conservative, NON-evangelical preacher; we fly the American and Israeli flags.

327 alegrias  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:46:01pm

re: #288 soxfan4life

Hopefully her lawyer stuffs it to every one of them. By no longer being a public official is she given protection by libel and slander laws? Wouldn't that be a hoot if she resigned so that she could start suing the same assholes suing her.

* * * *
I will contribute $$$ to Palin's defense fund, to help her as a civilian sue the "A-Holes" who sued her.

328 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:46:14pm

TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras (AP) - Honduras braced for confrontation Sunday as ousted President Manuel Zelaya insisted on coming home to reclaim his post, urging his supporters to mass at the airport for a showdown with the interim government in power since the army sent him into exile a week ago.
The interim government said it ordered the military to prevent the landing of a plane carrying Zelaya or any unidentified plane.

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

I feel kinda dirty that my country is on Chavez's side?

329 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:46:33pm

re: #321 Killgore Trout

See #295

Yeah, I think most of us noted that was a throwaway link.

330 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:46:47pm

re: #315 VegasRick


Do they say things like that about zero and his children?


Yes.

331 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:47:00pm
332 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:47:03pm

re: #312 reine.de.tout

Well, then, it was the families who were "punishing" those girls, not God and not the baby.

My daughter was pregnant at 15.A difficult situation, all the way around.

Same for us. We all love him (the baby) very much and our entire family "pitched in" to help her. She is now 23 and very successful.

333 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:47:15pm

re: #323 kansas

That's a lib trick. Make a statement, post an irrelevant link, and then allege that the link supports it. Assume most won't check.

look for yourself....it's very disingenuous to compare anything there with the Palin smears

334 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:47:26pm

re: #322 buzzsawmonkey

So many people confuse free speech with cheap talk.

Have you tried calling one of them sex lines, it ain't so cheap.. Urh........At least that is what I hear?

335 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:47:40pm

re: #326 GGMac

He detests Romney,

News to me. Care to elaborate?

336 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:47:49pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

They are proving that free speech is still alive and well. It's the cornerstone of our society.

They are not out to prove free speech, they only say that when they get unwanted blowback calling them to tasks for the things they say. They're out to get Palin, pure and simple, nothing much deeper than that. You're too smart to believe free speech means saying anything you want without consequences, and you're also too smart to try and postulate that that's really the issue here.

337 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:47:55pm

re: #325 bartok1001

Yeah, only two reasons. Strawman.

338 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:48:31pm

re: #312 reine.de.tout

Well, then, it was the families who were "punishing" those girls, not God and not the baby.

My daughter was pregnant at 15.
A difficult situation, all the way around.
But I told her to ignore any school taunts (she finished the school year), and hold her head high, for not sneaking away and getting an abortion but choosing, instead, the more difficult course.

I would guess there are families who would chuck their kids out. But that is the family's punishment of the kid, and shame on them.

Funny how people shift the blame to God for things like this, though.

I'm not defending it, btw, I wouldn't tell that to a daughter of mine. But I guess I didn't find it out of bounds because it was just what I grew up hearing.

You are a good parent and deserve a billion updings. That's the way it should be handled, especially if we do want to decrease the rate of abortion.

But there still is a huge shame stigma on both the family and on the girl. Oddly, though, not usually on the boy.

339 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:49:21pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Yes.

Link?

340 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:49:23pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Yes.

/name one rumor about Obama's children

341 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:49:33pm

BBL

342 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:49:34pm

re: #332 VegasRick

Love hearing that!
For religious folks, the actions leading to a teen pregnancy are "sinful"; but the state of being pregnant IS NOT.

343 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:49:45pm

re: #258 Baelzar

So who will be to blame for Palin's loss in 2012?

her forged birth certificate

344 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:50:00pm

re: #333 albusteve

look for yourself....it's very disingenuous to compare anything there with the Palin smears

That was my point.

345 alegrias  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:50:19pm

re: #292 iceweasel

Oh, that makes sense! Yes, I'd heard he'd spent a total of two hours in person with her before the announcement. Now it makes sense. Thanks.

* * **
McCain spent years "in person" with John F. Kerry, and considered joining Kerry's presidential ticket in 2004.

Choosing Palin over MARK SANFORD as Veep in 2008 was sensible.

346 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:51:12pm

I got over 100 channels here at the Naval Academy but no YES network. Were are my taxes going? What is the world coming to?

347 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:51:25pm

re: #298 avanti

The Federal law did not call any fetus, viable or otherwise a "person: and due all rights. Illinois already had a law on the books stating that if an infant was born live as a result of an abortion, and if the doctor determined that fetus viable, that it needed to be provided with medical care.
This new law widened that determination to fetus that exhibited any sign of life. Even if this fetus was so early in term that it wouldn't survive despite efforts, doctors under this new proposal were supposed to try and save it.

Avanti, we can argue what legislation did or did not exist at any given time , but that is a strawman.
Let me be as clear as I know how, Obama was the only Illinois State Senator to oppose the Live Infant Protecton Act.
His opposition is the issue. If the issue was moot , then why oppose it?
He said thet he was protectin Roe v Wade which is just silly.
It seems to me that he was foer honoring the original intent of the mother even if it denied medical care to a live infant.

348 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:51:28pm

re: #344 kansas

That was my point.

I know it...just piling on a bit...many of his links recently are flat out garbage...several posters have pointed that out

349 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:51:58pm

re: #346 Nevergiveup

I got over 100 channels here at the Naval Academy but no YES network. Were are my taxes going? What is the world coming to?

I guess the tax payer subsidies stopped at building the stadium.

350 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:52:04pm

re: #338 ~Fianna

Funny how people shift the blame to God for things like this, though.

I'm not defending it, btw, I wouldn't tell that to a daughter of mine. But I guess I didn't find it out of bounds because it was just what I grew up hearing.

You are a good parent and deserve a billion updings. That's the way it should be handled, especially if we do want to decrease the rate of abortion.

But there still is a huge shame stigma on both the family and on the girl. Oddly, though, not usually on the boy.

Not quite accurate. In this case, the young man suffered the same school "sanction" (could not participate in extracurricular activites for the year) as my daughter.

However, the prinicipal did want us to put her in another school. No way. Fortunately the nun who was superintendent of the schools here believes strongly that if we want our children to make the right decisions, we can't punish them when they do. And she forced the school to accommodate us.

351 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:52:46pm

re: #349 soxfan4life

I guess the tax payer subsidies stopped at building the stadium.

So I gotta suffer because the taxpayers had a bad year?
/

352 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:53:10pm

re: #342 reine.de.tout

Love hearing that!
For religious folks, the actions leading to a teen pregnancy are "sinful"; but the state of being pregnant IS NOT.

I think it depends on the religion. 2 of the 3 friends that I mentioned had fathers who were very, very active in their church and mention was made in both cases of not wanting people at church to know that their daughter was a whore.

Two of the three wound up doing well with the help of friends and friend's family. One went to live with an aunt in another state. Only one of them was able to go to college, though. At least last I knew. I haven't spoken with anyone from back home in years now.

353 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:53:29pm

re: #351 Nevergiveup

So I gotta suffer because the taxpayers had a bad year?
/

No you should suffer just for being a Yankee fan.////

354 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:53:50pm

re: #230 Killian Bundy

/it just fascinates me watching Bonkeys trip over themselves to offer Republicans "helpful advice" to win the next election


I have very little use for phonies. He made a good point, but his phony "concerns" for people he opposes is pure bullshit.

355 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:54:26pm

It's been over two years and a contentious election, but I haven't heard one derogatory peep about Obama's kids.

/contrast and compare

356 gman  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:54:50pm

re: #193 cronus

The meme is always the same. There is little insight to be gained by Republicans by giving it more time and attention. R's are always:
1) Simpletons in comparison to their D opponents
2) Trigger happy in their application of foreign policy
3) Ignorant or indifferent to the plight of the poor

and so forth... Ronald Reagan and George Bush were both painted with variations of this brush. Both overcame it with message discipline and by seeing the mainstream media as a simple conveyor of their message vs. an amplifier of that message which it can always be counted on to be for Dems. R's never have and never will be the beneficiaries of elite mainstream media memes.

They may never be beneficiaries but I think neglecting the importance of the MSM and its impact will only further a "Republicans as elitist" meme. I think the next election will be the first election defined by social media. Social media platforms like Twitter and Facebook are becoming more important as places to get news and information. In essence, they are becoming part of the "mainstream media" apparatus. In an age of "social media", where "everyone" is a potential content provider and news is interactive, I don't think the Republican Party has the luxury of distancing themselves and simply using social media platforms as conveyors of information. Future presidential candidates will interact with the public as never before because the public will expect this unprecedented interaction.

357 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:54:55pm
358 Pigtown Water Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:55:03pm

re: #152 _RememberTonyC

Watch it,dog.

359 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:55:30pm

re: #355 Killian Bundy

It's been over two years and a contentious election, but I haven't heard one derogatory peep about Obama's kids.

/contrast and compare

I'd like to think that those of us who are opposed to 0 are above that type of shit.

360 Silvergirl  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:55:35pm

re: #326 GGMac

Huckabee is a snarky weasel, and the reason McCain was nominated. The Huckster knew he didn't have a chance in hell of winning it; he insisted on staying in for the sole reason of splittiing the vote 3 ways. He detests Romney, and acting the spoiler was the only way he could hope to block Romney getting the nod.

One of the few things worse than an unethical lawyer is a preacher behaving like one.

Full disclosure: Mr. GGMac is a conservative, NON-evangelical preacher; we fly the American and Israeli flags.

The most obnoxious thing he said with sick repetition in the campaign is that he didn't major in math, he majored in miracles. He was endearing himself to his followers by appearing to be full of faith when he was actually full of vindictiveness. He did nothing but connive and plot to ensure that since he wasn't going to win (which he knew full well), then his nemesis Romney wouldn't either.

361 jaunte  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:56:11pm

re: #355 Killian Bundy

It's been over two years and a contentious election, but I haven't heard one derogatory peep about Obama's kids.

/contrast and compare


Alinsky:
RULE 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
[Link: www.geocities.com...]

362 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:56:51pm

re: #355 Killian Bundy

It's been over two years and a contentious election, but I haven't heard one derogatory peep about Obama's kids.

/contrast and compare

he himself called his own kids mutts....does that count?

363 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:56:55pm

re: #359 soxfan4life

I'd like to think that those of us who are opposed to 0 are above that type of shit.

Didn't McCain make a nasty remark about Chelsea Clinton he had to apologize for?

364 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:57:03pm

re: #350 reine.de.tout

Not quite accurate. In this case, the young man suffered the same school "sanction" (could not participate in extracurricular activites for the year) as my daughter.

However, the prinicipal did want us to put her in another school. No way. Fortunately the nun who was superintendent of the schools here believes strongly that if we want our children to make the right decisions, we can't punish them when they do. And she forced the school to accommodate us.

I'm talking more along the lines of what people were saying about the kids behind their backs. Maybe it's changed, and I hope it has, but when I was a teenager, it was like they were all immaculate conceptions - the girls "got knocked up" or "in trouble" and had a lot of nasty and hurtful things said about them but I never heard anything about the guys. It was like they weren't even involved. The worst thing about all of that was that all this stuff was said by people who were also having sex, just either more carefully or with more luck.

365 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:57:12pm

re: #352 ~Fianna

I think it depends on the religion. 2 of the 3 friends that I mentioned had fathers who were very, very active in their church and mention was made in both cases of not wanting people at church to know that their daughter was a whore.

Two of the three wound up doing well with the help of friends and friend's family. One went to live with an aunt in another state. Only one of them was able to go to college, though. At least last I knew. I haven't spoken with anyone from back home in years now.

Glad to hear these girls turned out OK. And shame on those families for taking that attitude. Wrong, wrong wrong to show no grace or compassion. And frankly, if they felt their daughters were "sinners", they should have insisted the kids attend church. Imperfect humans ("sinners") are very welcome at mine.

366 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:57:16pm
367 Scion9  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:57:33pm

re: #340 Killian Bundy

/name one rumor about Obama's children

Does it count if I start them myself?

368 pink freud  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:57:47pm

re: #360 Silvergirl

The most obnoxious thing he said with sick repetition in the campaign is that he didn't major in math, he majored in miracles. He was endearing himself to his followers by appearing to be full of faith when he was actually full of vindictiveness. He did nothing but connive and plot to ensure that since he wasn't going to win (which he knew full well), then his nemesis Romney wouldn't either.

Huckster is a no-class snake oil salesman. Like 0bama, there are those who can see this and those who can't. Boggles the mind.

369 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:57:54pm

re: #362 albusteve

he himself called his own kids mutts....does that count?

He called himself a mutt, not them. They are cute kids and don't deserve any negative attention.

370 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:58:06pm

re: #362 albusteve

he himself called his own kids mutts....does that count?

No he referred to himself as a mutt (the context was about the dog they would be getting)

"Well, it won't be a mutt like me"

371 swamprat  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:59:24pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

They are proving that free speech is still alive and well. It's the cornerstone of our society.

So people shoot birds, drop trouser and moon, and little kids stick out their tongues, this phenomena is the desire to demonstrate free speech? Really?

372 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:59:36pm

re: #365 reine.de.tout

Glad to hear these girls turned out OK. And shame on those families for taking that attitude. Wrong, wrong wrong to show no grace or compassion. And frankly, if they felt their daughters were "sinners", they should have insisted the kids attend church. Imperfect humans ("sinners") are very welcome at mine.

You have a lot of grace. I wish more people were like you.

373 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 12:59:45pm

re: #355 Killian Bundy

It's been over two years and a contentious election, but I haven't heard one derogatory peep about Obama's kids.

/contrast and compare

The Obama children have been treated as off limits, as is appropriate.
Hell the Obama dog BO gets treated more respectfully than the Palin family.
It says much more about her detractors than it does about her.

374 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:00:00pm

re: #363 wahabicorridor

Didn't McCain make a nasty remark about Chelsea Clinton he had to apologize for?

He did, but he also had nasty remarks made about his daughter Bridget. I don't agree with much of what 0bama says, but I agree 100% with children and family should be off limits. So if those of us opposed to 0 start with that line of thinking now, then the left and 0bama supporting MSM can show their true colors in 2010, 2012, 2014 etc,etc,etc...

375 alegrias  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:00:25pm

re: #363 wahabicorridor

Didn't McCain make a nasty remark about Chelsea Clinton he had to apologize for?

* * * * *
Yes, back during the Clinton years, before Senator Hillary Clinton became Senator McCain's "good friend," McCain joked that Chelsea Clinton was the daughter of Hillary Rodham and Janet Reno.

McCain apologized for that unfunny joke.

376 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:00:30pm

re: #369 kansas

He called himself a mutt, not them. They are cute kids and don't deserve any negative attention.

my bad...so following if he's a mutt what are they?

377 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:00:36pm
378 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:01:11pm

re: #376 albusteve

my bad...so following if he's a mutt what are they?

Kids

379 kynna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:01:38pm

I don't think Palin wants to run for president at all. I think she wants to help other fiscal conservatives who believe in American Exceptionalism to get a leg up at the local and state level. And she most definitely has the clout to do that regardless of her leaving office early.

The GOP needs reformers like her. Willing to stand up for their constituents and the US as a whole. People are sick of politics as usual in our incredibly corrupt federal and state governments. She could help some worthy people get a shot at taking back the party, IMO.

380 ~Fianna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:01:39pm

okay, i should go finish painting the room i started yesterday. home ownership means never having a completely relaxed weekend again!

381 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:01:46pm

re: #376 albusteve

my bad...so following if he's a mutt what are they?

Not gonna go there.

382 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:02:19pm

re: #311 opnion

The Chicago Tribune covered it. As I recall, at the time of the incident the Federal Legislation had not been enated, although it was before the Illinois Senate took up the matte

Can you provide a link to the Trib article? I can't locate it.

As already noted, there is no need for such legislation. Withholding medical care in the manner described has always been illegal. The hospital and the doctors involved should have been brought up on charges, and there have always been ample laws in place to do just that.

383 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:02:27pm

re: #377 taxfreekiller

its true if its linked and has hits on google

Or if you repeat it often enough.

384 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:02:52pm

re: #381 kansas

Not gonna go there.

time out for albusteve

385 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:03:18pm

Well, starting tomorrow, we're going to get a reality check on the economy as the volume starts to come back in after the holiday and the quarterly earnings season starts.

/market's are still in an IBD confirmed uptrend, but hanging on by their fingernails, getting some hefty index puts ready, just in case

386 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:03:27pm

Obama Responds To Palin's Family Issues And Other Rumors
Jake Tapper: Governor Palin and her husband issued a statement today saying that their 17 year old daughter Bristol who is unmarried is 5 months pregnant. Do you have a comment?

BO: I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be as clear as possible. I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people’s families are off limits, and people’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits.


Jeff Zeleny: An unnamed McCain advisor as reported on Reuters that the despicable rumors have been spread on blogs some even with Barack Obama’s name on them.

BO: I am offended by that statement, there is no evidence at all that any of this involved us. I hope I am as clear as I can be. So in case I am not, let me repeat, we don’t go after people’s families, we don’t get them involved in the politics, it is not appropriate and it is not relevant. Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be. And if I ever thought it was somebody in the campaign that was involved in something like that they would be fired. Ok. Alright guys. Thank you.

387 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:03:31pm

re: #347 opnion

Avanti, we can argue what legislation did or did not exist at any given time , but that is a strawman.
Let me be as clear as I know how, Obama was the only Illinois State Senator to oppose the Live Infant Protecton Act.

He was the only vote in committee, not a sable difference.

388 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:04:32pm
389 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:05:44pm

re: #386 BigPapa

Obama Responds To Palin's Family Issues And Other Rumors
Jake Tapper: Governor Palin and her husband issued a statement today saying that their 17 year old daughter Bristol who is unmarried is 5 months pregnant. Do you have a comment?

BO: I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be as clear as possible. I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people’s families are off limits, and people’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits.


Jeff Zeleny: An unnamed McCain advisor as reported on Reuters that the despicable rumors have been spread on blogs some even with Barack Obama’s name on them.

BO: I am offended by that statement, there is no evidence at all that any of this involved us. I hope I am as clear as I can be. So in case I am not, let me repeat, we don’t go after people’s families, we don’t get them involved in the politics, it is not appropriate and it is not relevant. Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be. And if I ever thought it was somebody in the campaign that was involved in something like that they would be fired. Ok. Alright guys. Thank you.

Well Big Guy somebody sure has been going after the Palin family and it didn't stop after you were elected.

390 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:06:18pm

re: #374 soxfan4life

He did, but he also had nasty remarks made about his daughter Bridget

I have no memory of this personally, but I have heard it said that Rove started a rumor about Bridget during the 2000 Repub. primary in South Caroline that pissed of the McCains big time.

391 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:06:34pm

re: #382 SixDegrees

Can you provide a link to the Trib article? I can't locate it.

As already noted, there is no need for such legislation. Withholding medical care in the manner described has always been illegal. The hospital and the doctors involved should have been brought up on charges, and there have always been ample laws in place to do just that.

You won't6 find a link to the Tribune artice now because the endorsed Obajma & took it down. The story was common knowledge in the Chicago area.
I believe that you have the timeline wrong. At the time of the incident, those protections duid not exist.
Christ Hospital is part of the Advocate system & they perfprm a lot of abortions.
But we are dancing around the real issue & that is that Obama opposed the legislation

392 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:06:35pm
393 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:06:40pm

re: #387 avanti

He was the only vote in committee, not a sable difference.

He voted Present. Still opposed it but didn't want anything that might define him left behind.

394 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:07:16pm

Palin speculation abounds. Wouldn't our time be better served working to free the White House dog BO?

395 Joan Not of Arc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:07:17pm

That's not even remotely fair and they should know it.
It's one thing when some piece of crap from the Huffington Post throws you under the bus; it's quite another when your own party does it.
Sarah Palin is a wolf (or tiger, if you like). At the end of the day, she will take someone down and look good doing it.

396 Scion9  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:07:47pm

re: #369 kansas


"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."

If anyone thinks that the friends, family and vocal civilian supporters of non-Democrats are going to be 'off limits' in future elections they are delusional. It's time to take the rhetorical gloves off.

In the future, politicians are just going to have to be the kind of people who are willing to essentially destroy their close relations personal lives and ambitions in exchange for formal political power.

Don't worry, I'm sure the MSM, political strategists and University elitists have it all thought out. I'm sure it will be just as successful as the egalitarian and Utopian Soviet society dedicated to the peaceful coexistence of mankind...having been almost entirely run by wanton mass murderers!

397 opnion  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:08:26pm

re: #387 avanti

He was the only vote in committee, not a sable difference.

The full Illinois Senate voted. You are splitting hairs & avoiding the actual issue.

398 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:08:36pm

ok, gotta go - a book is calling.

have a good one!

399 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:08:50pm
400 Mithrax  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:08:58pm

re: #365 reine.de.tout

Glad to hear these girls turned out OK. And shame on those families for taking that attitude. Wrong, wrong wrong to show no grace or compassion. And frankly, if they felt their daughters were "sinners", they should have insisted the kids attend church. Imperfect humans ("sinners") are very welcome at mine.

Ditto at mine. Lordy, if we threw out the sinners, there'd be nobody left :P

401 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:09:06pm

re: #396 Scion9


"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."

If anyone thinks that the friends, family and vocal civilian supporters of non-Democrats are going to be 'off limits' in future elections they are delusional. It's time to take the rhetorical gloves off.

In the future, politicians are just going to have to be the kind of people who are willing to essentially destroy their close relations personal lives and ambitions in exchange for formal political power.

Don't worry, I'm sure the MSM, political strategists and University elitists have it all thought out. I'm sure it will be just as successful as the egalitarian and Utopian Soviet society dedicated to the peaceful coexistence of mankind...having been almost entirely run by wanton mass murderers!

Sorry. Over my head.

402 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:09:09pm

re: #390 wahabicorridor

I have no memory of this personally, but I have heard it said that Rove started a rumor about Bridget during the 2000 Repub. primary in South Caroline that pissed of the McCains big time.

I heard it was Rove as well. But if people start voicing opposition to this type of behavior now sooner or later these assholes will figure out most Americans don't want to see or hear it.

403 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:09:19pm

re: #393 soxfan4life

He voted Present. Still opposed it but didn't want anything that might define him left behind.

He was groomed for TOTUS from the get go, a machine product.

/seriously, who writes their autobiography in their twenties?

404 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:09:47pm

re: #403 Killian Bundy

He was groomed for TOTUS from the get go, a machine product.

/seriously, who writes their autobiography in their twenties?

Bill Ayers?

405 Capitalistincharge  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:10:11pm

re: #188 avanti Avanti, you are a hoot. You are defining the Obama charade not the Palin. Silly Avanti:)

406 Scion9  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:11:44pm

re: #404 kansas

Bill Ayers?

Ayers at least wrote a political manifesto. IIRC he wrote Fugitive Days relatively recently, well past his 20s.

407 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:12:21pm
408 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:12:40pm

re: #403 Killian Bundy

He was groomed for TOTUS from the get go, a machine product.

/seriously, who writes their autobiography in their twenties?

Most of us haven't achieved enough in our lives in our twenties to fill a pamphlet. Of course we could just make shit up and call it Dreams from My Father or The Audacity of Hope.

409 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:12:43pm

re: #400 Mithrax

Ditto at mine. Lordy, if we threw out the sinners, there'd be nobody left :P

LOL.
Exactly.

410 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:12:47pm
411 GGMac  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:13:24pm

re: #335 wahabicorridor

News to me. Care to elaborate?

Sorry I can't give you links. The statement is based on my perceptions of Huckabee's suggestive remarks during the primary campaigns. Huckabee's theology is that the Mormon faith is not valid Christianity, and that it is a cult. I perceive Huckabee as an evangelical who deeply resents the appeal and success of the Mormon Romney, and that he (Huck) cringes at the thought of Romney becoming president.

Interesting, isn't it. Just a general appraisal of today's well-known politicians shows us tax cheats, aldulterers, parents of cokeheads, alcoholics, mortgage manipulators, etc, etc, - and Romney: long, faithful marriage, successful and respected businessman, loving down-to-earth father, private but not ashamed of his faith, proven leader - a nice guy.

I do believe that Huckabee is fiercely jealous of Romney. Again, my perceptions.


OT: I think this is my 1000th post - woot, woot! Makes me an official Lizardius gum-flapperus. :)

412 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:14:02pm

re: #406 Scion9

Ayers at least wrote a political manifesto. IIRC he wrote Fugitive Days relatively recently, well past his 20s.

I was implying that it was Ayers who wrote Obama's "autobiography". And no I have no proof or links. It is pure speculation.

413 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:14:22pm
414 jvic  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:14:37pm

re: #284 kansas

re: #280 alegrias
...
Mary Matalin may have married a partisan democrat, but she herself is an honorable person.

I'm sorry, but that last statement is a contradiction and shows her extremely poor judgment.

There are many honorable people who completely disagree with my politics.

Heaven help America if too many of us believe otherwise.

415 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:14:42pm

re: #388 buzzsawmonkey

I think most everybody is postulating in a game of 'who can figure it out,' or taking squares in a office pool. She did say some things in her semi-off the cuff statement, but not whether she was running for office. She might not seek office, at least for now. Or, she might.

But at least she changed the game. What's left to see if it was a desperate act to escape the tough world we live in that at the same time scorns you for not dealing with the tough world we live in, or, if this was a shrewd move. Palin doesn't strike me as cunningly smart or saavy (not that it's a bad thing), but she seems to do well with her instincts.

This was an instinctive move. Will she fade away and be a footnote of presidential politics, or will moonbat heads explode along with GOP elitists? I'm getting the popcorn.

416 kynna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:15:31pm

I still like Karl Rove. I just think Sarah plays outside the box and he can't conceive of it. I also don't think she's going to only go back home and do a few speaking engagements, etc. She truly loves this country and she has experienced the power of a biased media and corrupt political machine first hand. That's why I think she'll continue to involve herself -- that and her statement that she wanted to help good people running for office -- and be pretty active at doing it.

417 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:15:36pm

re: #412 kansas

I was implying that it was Ayers who wrote Obama's "autobiography". And no I have no proof or links. It is pure speculation.

Why would 0 need someone to write his autobiography, he got so much practice with all that he wrote as President of the Law Review. Oh never mind...

418 kansas  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:15:38pm

re: #414 jvic

There are many honorable people who completely disagree with my politics.

Heaven help America if too many of us believe otherwise.

Did they marry you?

419 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:15:57pm

re: #407 buzzsawmonkey

I don't pretend to know what Palin is doing, or why. I'm merely observing that she seems to have other things in her life than running for President, and therefore may have taken these things into her calculations, though many if not most commentators on her actions have not.

Hence, I think that it is worth at least considering that she is making an Antaeus move.

I googled to see what an "Antaeus move" is.
But couldn't find any explanation.
Can you enlighten me?

420 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:16:31pm
421 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:16:46pm
422 jaunte  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:16:51pm

re: #419 reine.de.tout

It either means "getting back to your roots" or "piling the roof with the skulls of your enemies."

423 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:18:05pm

re: #392 buzzsawmonkey

A "sable difference?"

That is one of the most interesting--and opaque--racial references I have seen in a long time.

Clicked the wrong word on my spell checker, obviously "subtle" difference.

424 Hanoch  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:18:19pm

As far as I am concerned, the real story concerning Palin's entry into the national political spotlight is the unconcealed bias of most of the media outlets in this country, and the sheer viciousness of the far left. Palin was crucified on her lack of knowledge of certain political issues while Biden, who cannot open his mouth without saying something stupid, was (and is) given a pass every time. And what possible excuse can be offered for going after Palin's children? It is truly sickening.

425 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:18:47pm

re: #420 buzzsawmonkey

See my #388 above.

Thank you.

426 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:19:41pm

re: #422 jaunte

It either means "getting back to your roots" or "piling the roof with the skulls of your enemies."

thanks.
I just love learning new things.
My friends all think I'm "smart". They just don't know my secret source is LGF.

427 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:19:57pm
428 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:20:08pm

re: #391 opnion

You won't6 find a link to the Tribune artice now because the endorsed Obajma & took it down. The story was common knowledge in the Chicago area.
I believe that you have the timeline wrong. At the time of the incident, those protections duid not exist.
Christ Hospital is part of the Advocate system & they perfprm a lot of abortions.
But we are dancing around the real issue & that is that Obama opposed the legislation

There has never been a time when such protections did not exist.

And now you're invoking some sort of conspiracy on the part of the paper to self-censor itself in order to keep people from finding out the truth?

Forgive me if I seem cynical, but as I state originally a story of this sort would have been reported far and wide. Yet I can find nothing except the same cut-and-paste tale related on countless Right To Life websites. It simply doesn't seem to have any existence outside of this realm.

And the story itself is full of holes. As noted already, withholding medical care in the manner described is illegal, and always has been. The doctors and hospital would have been brought up on all manner of ethical and criminal charges. Again, though, there's no record of such charges or their resolution. Are the courts and the hospital conspiring to hide the evidence, as well as the newspapers? Then there's the matter of the nurse who allegedly discovered the infant, who cradled it for hours - and who inexplicably never called the code, never attempted to render aid or find someone who would, never filed charges against anyone and generally didn't behave in anything even approaching a believable manner. She's supposed to be a medical professional, extensively trained both in the administration of medical care and in the legal requirements of her profession, but all she did was stand there and do nothing? It beggars belief.

This appears to be yet another instance of Right To Life concocting a fiction in order to promote their agenda. They have a long history of such things, and seem oblivious to the fact that such lies hurt their cause far more than they help it. If you don't have an actual news source describing the incident, the cynic in me is forced to conclude that it never happened.

I also agree with ~Fianna that the legislation under discussion, now shown to my satisfaction to have been based at least partly on outright lies, was at best superfluous and at worst a colossal legislative overreach that substitutes a swamp of ambiguity and impossible to implement, overly broad standards to what ought to be a simple matter between doctor and patient. It is beyond the pale that the Religious Right has so corrupted Conservatism that they feel free to impose this massive intrusion of government into private lives without pausing to gag on their own hypocrisy in the process.

429 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:21:12pm

Let me just say, since all of LGF is just dying to know exactly where I stand, that I won't lose much respect for Palin if she really is calling it quits in politics or office, especially if she's doing it for her family or state. Despite the spiteful narrative that she's too reactive and thin skinned, she's shown herself to be a pretty tough cookie so far.

But the thought of her driving some people nuts for years is a guilty pleasure pleasure of mine.

430 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:21:16pm
431 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:22:03pm

re: #396 Scion9


"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."

If anyone thinks that the friends, family and vocal civilian supporters of non-Democrats are going to be 'off limits' in future elections they are delusional. It's time to take the rhetorical gloves off.

In the future, politicians are just going to have to be the kind of people who are willing to essentially destroy their close relations personal lives and ambitions in exchange for formal political power.

Don't worry, I'm sure the MSM, political strategists and University elitists have it all thought out. I'm sure it will be just as successful as the egalitarian and Utopian Soviet society dedicated to the peaceful coexistence of mankind...having been almost entirely run by wanton mass murderers!

That may, indeed be the outcome. It's not a course of action I can endorse, however. Two wrongs, as they say, don't make a right.

432 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:22:50pm

Time for my bi-monthly shave. BBIAB.

433 Capitalistincharge  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:23:36pm

re: #245 ~Fianna
Fianna, I disagree with your generalization that all or even most teen-agers were given that reason to not get pregnant. Many parents, myself included, taught our daughters the end result of careless sex was the creation of a child that would end up with the short end of the stick because of bad choices. It's all about personal responsibility, see. I don't believe I have ever, in all my 52 years, believed that the consequence of teen-age preganacy was the burden of a child. Rather, it's about the child created, having to suffer the consequences.

434 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:23:48pm
435 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:25:21pm

re: #416 kynna

I still like Karl Rove. I just think Sarah plays outside the box and he can't conceive of it. I also don't think she's going to only go back home and do a few speaking engagements, etc. She truly loves this country and she has experienced the power of a biased media and corrupt political machine first hand. That's why I think she'll continue to involve herself -- that and her statement that she wanted to help good people running for office -- and be pretty active at doing it.

she will be very GOOD at getting the message out.
and as the msm and libtards continue to focus on her, her audience will only grow in number.

436 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:25:54pm

re: #434 taxfreekiller

a big part of why they attack Palin is the change the subject deal

they want it to be about any thing other than Obama's links to kooks
they want it to be about any thing other than Kerry's links to commies
they want it to be about any thing other than Clinton's lies and skirt chasing

so they change the subject to Palin, and lie about her,

When you can't make yourself look good, make yourself look better than the alternative.

437 JarHeadLifer  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:26:42pm

re: #8 Bobblehead

I say we wait for Sarah to explain this herself.

I think that she tried to "explain" this on Friday morning. If you're waiting for something better than that, you may be waiting for a long time.

438 JarHeadLifer  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:28:03pm

re: #5 MandyManners

She's confounding them all.

Micheal Jackson has been "confounding" me for years. I'm not sure that's a good thing.

439 GGMac  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:29:05pm

re: #306 Grand Poobah

This essentially confirms what I have said all along. Huckabee is just out for himself, he and his puritanical peons are only bad news for the Republican party.
This man doesn't care about economics or prosperity, as long as he claims he's speaking from God, he'll have some political clout. It's a damn shame this guy's main calling card is that he is a "Christian," because he clearly isn't.

He is a power hungry, ill-mannered, classless, and base politician who only seeks his own self betterment, to hell with whoever he claims to stand with.

I stand with you on this. And it disturbs me greatly that FOX news has given him a free-reign forum, day in and day out.

440 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:29:29pm
441 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:29:41pm

OT Just wanted to share this great picture of our great nephew at yesterday's Tea Party in Prescott, AZ. Paulians? You tell me. LOL

[Link: img188.imageshack.us...]

Thanks to Pink for the imageshack help.

442 Shinyhead  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:30:33pm

re: #437 JarHeadLifer

Heh, I think one thing I do like about Palin is she is "real". If it were me I would probably take a few days to wrap things up and just take a deep breath before launching into anything. So yeah, it will probably be a little bit before we know much of anything more, whatever it may be.

I am willingly being a bit of an optimist, but the past year of elections, economy and conflict have wore me down. I could use some good news.

443 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:31:19pm

re: #440 buzzsawmonkey

The Greek myths have much to teach us about modern-day politics. I've gotten a lot of mileage in the past out of analogies to the stories of Prometheus, Cadmus, and Procrustes, among others; Antaeus seemed apropos in this instance.

I just went and hauled out my "classicial mythology" book. It's been years since I looked at it - time now for a look-see, I think.

444 pink freud  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:31:38pm

re: #441 Pvt Bin Jammin

OT Just wanted to share this great picture of our great nephew at yesterday's Tea Party in Prescott, AZ. Paulians? You tell me. LOL

[Link: img188.imageshack.us...]

Thanks to Pink for the imageshack help.

The body language there between McCain and your great nephew is so sweet. It's just a wonderful pic, PBJ. Thanks for sharing it!

445 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:32:16pm

re: #441 Pvt Bin Jammin

OT Just wanted to share this great picture of our great nephew at yesterday's Tea Party in Prescott, AZ. Paulians? You tell me. LOL

[Link: img188.imageshack.us...]

Thanks to Pink for the imageshack help.

Oh, how cool is that!

446 JarHeadLifer  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:34:51pm

re: #416 kynna

I still like Karl Rove. I just think Sarah plays outside the box and he can't conceive of it. ...

Just she "play outside the box"? Or, is she just making it up as she goes along? I'm thinking it's the latter and not the former.

That speech (if that's what you want to call it) on Friday was an absolute mess. We get some idea of her communication skills when she doesn't have highly-paid and exceptionally talented speech writers working on her material. It was disjointed, self-indulgent, wandering and very, very poorly delivered with an incredibly odd rhythm and cadence. In short, it was horrible.

That may cut it in the American state that most closely resembles the undiscovered country. But in the civilized lower 48, it wasn't remotely Presidential.

447 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:34:54pm

Huckabee's TV show reminds me of some cheesy local production. And I still can't get this family photo out of my mind.

[Link: www.blogadilla.com...]

448 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:35:03pm

re: #428 SixDegrees

There has never been a time when such protections did not exist.

And now you're invoking some sort of conspiracy on the part of the paper to self-censor itself in order to keep people from finding out the truth?

Here's some background on the nurse the started the story. She was fired after finding the story was baseless.
nurse.

449 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:37:41pm
450 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:37:51pm

re: #428 SixDegrees

That is one of the best comments I have ever seen, not only on LGF but anywhere. Outstanding.

451 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:38:05pm

re: #444 pink freud

Thanks again for the help, Pink. I love the picture so much.

452 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:38:31pm

re: #448 avanti

Here's some background on the nurse the started the story. She was fired after finding the story was baseless.
nurse.

Well, thanks for that.
I did wonder, if she knew these things were happening, why she did not intervene in some way to save these babies.

She seems like a nut-case.

But I still don't like Obama.

453 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:38:51pm

re: #447 _RememberTonyC

Huckabee's TV show reminds me of some cheesy local production. And I still can't get this family photo out of my mind.

[Link: www.blogadilla.com...]

The band makes me want to shove freshly-sharpened pencils into my eardrums.

454 Pigtown Water Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:39:09pm

Yay! Finally we get to see the picture! I know it was hard work to get it posted, but it was worth it.

455 Silvergirl  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:39:29pm

re: #416 kynna

I still like Karl Rove. I just think Sarah plays outside the box and he can't conceive of it. I also don't think she's going to only go back home and do a few speaking engagements, etc. She truly loves this country and she has experienced the power of a biased media and corrupt political machine first hand. That's why I think she'll continue to involve herself -- that and her statement that she wanted to help good people running for office -- and be pretty active at doing it.

I like many of the political commentators and architects, including Krauthammer (who is as flummoxed as anyone else on Sarah Palin), but they are entering uncharted territory when they go forth to capture Palin and box her up to examine, explain and proclaim. She operates on different levels and it's not what they're used to. She's honest and savvy, she's full of heart and full of fire, and their preconceived notions of how politics operate, and what constitutes political suicide or political genius will need a hard new look.

456 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:39:32pm

I find it simply amazing how folks can be so reasonable about most every subject, but when it comes to the abortion issue they go off the rails.

457 pink freud  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:39:35pm

re: #451 Pvt Bin Jammin

Thanks again for the help, Pink. I love the picture so much.

My pleasure, PBJ. Those two look like grandpa and grandson, just as comfortable as can be with each other. What a nice memento for your family. :-)

458 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:40:42pm

re: #454 Pigtown Water Dog

Yay! Finally we get to see the picture! I know it was hard work to get it posted, but it was worth it.

Pink did all of the hard work for me.

459 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:40:48pm

re: #446 JarHeadLifer

In Wasilla they don't use teleprompters and have too many speech writers. She made a statement based off notes, which is how it's done up there. If she were to run again and have the $ I would raise my expectation as well. Her acceptance speech for the VP was done off a teleprompter and ran more to your expectations, as it should be.

460 GGMac  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:41:12pm

re: #285 nyc redneck

i have never heard the phrase until it casually came out of o's mouth.
i would never use the word "punishment" the way o did to describe his unborn grandchild. his use of the phrase shows him to be a very cold uncaring person.
it was a window to his soul.
just imagine if one of his daughters did become pregnant and wanted her baby and didn't see it as a punishment at all. odd how that didn't even occur to him.

Yes - very telling that his stance was 'punishment', rather than 'my child is having a child - and both need my love'.

Makes me think he has a house rule carved in stone: unplanned pregnancy: no discussion: abortion. Otherwise, as you said, the word 'punishment' wouldn't have been used in that context.

Chilling.

461 Pigtown Water Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:41:21pm

re: #458 Pvt Bin Jammin

Thanks to both of you--what a momento to treasure!

462 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:41:38pm

re: #457 pink freud

My pleasure, PBJ. Those two look like grandpa and grandson, just as comfortable as can be with each other. What a nice memento for your family. :-)

My bil was so proud. It's a family treasure, for sure.

463 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:41:47pm

re: #460 GGMac

Yes - very telling that his stance was 'punishment', rather than 'my child is having a child - and both need my love'.

Makes me think he has a house rule carved in stone: unplanned pregnancy: no discussion: abortion. Otherwise, as you said, the word 'punishment' wouldn't have been used in that context.

Chilling.

A hundred updings, if I could.

464 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:42:08pm
465 Pigtown Water Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:42:55pm

re: #464 taxfreekiller

Thaqnks for the report. Thanks for going.

466 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:43:13pm

re: #460 GGMac

Yes - very telling that his stance was 'punishment', rather than 'my child is having a child - and both need my love'.

Makes me think he has a house rule carved in stone: unplanned pregnancy: no discussion: abortion. Otherwise, as you said, the word 'punishment' wouldn't have been used in that context.

Chilling.


Love of self seems to take up his full share of love.

467 pink freud  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:43:45pm

re: #460 GGMac

Good to see you posting again, GGMac. Neat avatar!

468 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:44:05pm

re: #464 taxfreekiller

the Dallas tea party tfk helped with

to many Ron Pauls and nirthers,

some of the ones in charge are

Laup Nor's
they even allowed the Laup Nors to hit up people inside the deal

they even allowed a "nither booth full of kooks"

tfk is done with them,

Cracked Tea Pot is what,

very big danger this kook
Ron Paul shit.

tfk ended up in a confrontation with the Laup Nors and left early
will not give them the time of day now, to bad, some of the people
are ok, just not enough power to stop it,

the talk show guys who helped need to get the word
on air about what they were doing as MC's on stage
while the Laup Nor's were hawking Ron's looney shit
right behind the stage they were on....

IMO, the Dallas Tax Tea Party of July 4th 2099 sucked big time....

TFK thanks for this.
Baton Rouge "tea party" - I didn't attend but I suspect, from what I've seen, that it's headed the same way.

(Question now: Will we be able to live with Killgore when he sees this?)

469 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:44:13pm

re: #458 Pvt Bin Jammin

Pink did all of the hard work for me.

I thought they wanted to see the photo of the huckabee family (j/k)

Your little fella looks like he is being raised properly!

470 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:44:42pm

re: #467 pink freud

Good to see you posting again, GGMac. Neat avatar!

Yes, I'm also glad to see GGMac.

Hope he/she sticks around more.

471 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:45:03pm

re: #453 capitalist piglet

The band makes me want to shove freshly-sharpened pencils into my eardrums.


Annoying does not even begin to describe them!

472 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:45:35pm

re: #455 Silvergirl

I like many of the political commentators and architects, including Krauthammer (who is as flummoxed as anyone else on Sarah Palin), but they are entering uncharted territory when they go forth to capture Palin and box her up to examine, explain and proclaim. She operates on different levels and it's not what they're used to. She's honest and savvy, she's full of heart and full of fire, and their preconceived notions of how politics operate, and what constitutes political suicide or political genius will need a hard new look.

SG-- probably one of the shrewdest points I've seen made about Palin's resignation is that while the conventional wisdom would say there 'must be' a scandal or personal tragedy looming, and the conventional wisdom would say this is a move that makes no sense if you want to seek office in 2012-- Palin has never run conventionally or done anything by conventional rules. So people really are at sea, because when it comes to Palin she makes her own rules -- and counts on her charisma and popularity and instincts to pull it off.

So I think you're right about this: the pundits et al really don't know what to make of her, because she specialises in defying conventional wisdom. Which is a large part of her appeal for her fans.

473 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:48:20pm

re: #468 reine.de.tout

TFK thanks for this.
Baton Rouge "tea party" - I didn't attend but I suspect, from what I've seen, that it's headed the same way.

(Question now: Will we be able to live with Killgore when he sees this?)

somehow I don't think tfk gives a shit what KT thinks...tfk walks the walk...KT surfs

474 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:48:41pm

re: #468 reine.de.tout

(Question now: Will we be able to live with Killgore when he sees this?)

I think he'll be nice about it. The Paulians tried on purpose to stay in the background and make it difficult to see who was trying to build some momentum. I'm glad you and tfk were smart enough to see it and honest enough to say it.

475 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:48:50pm

re: #452 reine.de.tout

Well, thanks for that.
I did wonder, if she knew these things were happening, why she did not intervene in some way to save these babies.

She seems like a nut-case.

But I still don't like Obama.

I'm cool with that, as long as you don't dislike him enough to accept every nut case story about him. There are enough real issues to debate without wasting time on the false ones.

476 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:49:05pm

re: #469 _RememberTonyC

I thought they wanted to see the photo of the huckabee family (j/k)

Your little fella looks like he is being raised properly!

My bil told me the little guy asked McCain: "You're the one who should be president, aren't you?"

477 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:49:48pm
478 kynna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:49:54pm

re: #446 JarHeadLifer

Just she "play outside the box"? Or, is she just making it up as she goes along? I'm thinking it's the latter and not the former.

That speech (if that's what you want to call it) on Friday was an absolute mess. We get some idea of her communication skills when she doesn't have highly-paid and exceptionally talented speech writers working on her material. It was disjointed, self-indulgent, wandering and very, very poorly delivered with an incredibly odd rhythm and cadence. In short, it was horrible.

That may cut it in the American state that most closely resembles the undiscovered country. But in the civilized lower 48, it wasn't remotely Presidential.

She will still be able to get 20,000 people to come out to a rally for a candidate of her choice. I just read an article about how she may be toast politically but she can still raise good $$. The GOP is drooling over this prospect. The thing is, I think she has no intention of helping the GOP establishment. I think she plans on helping other bootstrap candidates like herself to get some momentum. That's outside the box. And needed. The establishment stinks. I've seen it tank an excellent candidate before and the result was, two words: Jim McGreevey.

BTW -- you may not be impressed by her, but she leaves the Alaskan governorship with her state in the black. For those of us living in California, and other states run to the ground by "liberal" fiscal policies, that seems like a result we can only dream about.

479 pink freud  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:50:17pm

re: #476 Pvt Bin Jammin

My bil told me the little guy asked McCain: "You're the one who should be president, aren't you?"

Hahaha! Smart kid!

480 Pigtown Water Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:51:03pm

re: #460 GGMac

Yes - very telling that his stance was 'punishment', rather than 'my child is having a child - and both need my love'.

Makes me think he has a house rule carved in stone: unplanned pregnancy: no discussion: abortion. Otherwise, as you said, the word 'punishment' wouldn't have been used in that context.

Chilling.

OH, my stars and garters on your avatar, and yes indeedee on the O's house rule.

481 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:51:15pm

23:45 U.S.: Biden`s comment that Israel may strike Iran does not signal policy change (AP

And the backtracking begins. Expect Biden to be banished to that secret underground room again for a few weeks.

482 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:51:39pm

re: #475 avanti

I'm cool with that, as long as you don't dislike him enough to accept every nut case story about him. There are enough real issues to debate without wasting time on the false ones.

it's not about other nut cases...BO himself is a nut case...just look at his disasterous foreign policy for example...he's trying to make pizza pie out of horse shit and is not up to the task

483 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:51:50pm

re: #464 taxfreekiller

((((((tfk))))))

484 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:51:55pm

re: #477 taxfreekiller

best guess is only some of the Tax Day Tea Party deals are in Laup Nor loon control

the one in Dallas is to far away from us for us to help much,
the locals will have to come to grips with it and get them out
or they are doomed,

some of the Laup Nor leadership there knows me and we
have had trouble prior in Republican party conventions,
I have got their ass's kicked out of and off of committees prior

will not let up on them myself, they have to be kicked out of the
Republican Party and back into the loon anti war Democrat Party
where they came from.... IMO

Is that Ron Paul's district? Who keeps electing him?

485 JarHeadLifer  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:52:58pm

re: #459 BigPapa

In Wasilla they don't use teleprompters and have too many speech writers. She made a statement based off notes, which is how it's done up there. If she were to run again and have the $ I would raise my expectation as well. Her acceptance speech for the VP was done off a teleprompter and ran more to your expectations, as it should be.

You are mistaken. Teleprompters have made it to Wasillia. If you look at the video footage of her statement, you can see a man kneeling in front of her draped in what appears to be a blanket or towel. He's holding a hand-held teleprompter. It's very similar to one that Obama has used when on the road.

486 jaunte  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:53:08pm

re: #484 capitalist piglet

Is that Ron Paul's district? Who keeps electing him?

These folks. Too much sun, I think.
[Link: www.house.gov...]

487 pink freud  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:53:22pm

re: #484 capitalist piglet

Lake Jackson, I believe, south of Houston, on the way to Galveston

488 Rolltideroll  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:53:24pm

I am not a big Palin fan, but as a proponent of a multiple party system, it is good she is leaving. Honestly, there are just not enough evangelical white voters left that could elect her. Look at the numbers. Dem's win the A.A, vote almost exclusively, same with the Jewish vote, and are owning Hispanics. Add all those together and you only have to pull about 20-25% of the white vote to win. The Repubs have got to stop running people who can't win these voting blocks. Palin is a good person, but realistically the numbers just are not there. The christian right wing thing is selling like beta max right now.

489 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:53:42pm

re: #483 MandyManners

((((((tfk))))))

me too...I'm not the gushy type

490 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:54:03pm

WASHINGTON - Police say former Washington Mayor Marion Barry has been arrested and charged with stalking a woman.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

He makes Al Sharpton look good. Well almost?

491 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:54:18pm
492 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:54:42pm

re: #474 wrenchwench

I think he'll be nice about it. The Paulians tried on purpose to stay in the background and make it difficult to see who was trying to build some momentum. I'm glad you and tfk were smart enough to see it and honest enough to say it.

I know he'll be "nice" about it. He has wanted, imo, to simply sound an alarm so that people would pay attention to what was going in at their local tea parties; and I'm glad he did.

I was just trying to yank his chain a little.

493 Pigtown Water Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:54:55pm

re: #490 Nevergiveup

Being from Baltimore, I will believe anything about this guy.

494 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:55:05pm
495 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:55:44pm

re: #475 avanti

I'm cool with that, as long as you don't dislike him enough to accept every nut case story about him. There are enough real issues to debate without wasting time on the false ones.

Yes, there are, and the "nut case" stories divert attention from those real issues.

496 Silvergirl  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:55:45pm

re: #472 iceweasel

SG-- probably one of the shrewdest points I've seen made about Palin's resignation is that while the conventional wisdom would say there 'must be' a scandal or personal tragedy looming, and the conventional wisdom would say this is a move that makes no sense if you want to seek office in 2012-- Palin has never run conventionally or done anything by conventional rules. So people really are at sea, because when it comes to Palin she makes her own rules -- and counts on her charisma and popularity and instincts to pull it off.

So I think you're right about this: the pundits et al really don't know what to make of her, because she specialises in defying conventional wisdom. Which is a large part of her appeal for her fans.

Something that Sharmuta says every so often is that she believes a woman will not have a successful run for President in a very long time. Of course that bugs me and many other women, not because there is no truth to it, but because it may be too true. We saw how Palin was treated--we discussed it in horror during the election and we're talking about it again now. So maybe if so very much is stacked against a woman seeking office, it's a nothing to lose situation, so you start making bold moves which may leave yourself open to ridicule (pile it on, you're used to it), and which may also be one of many steps down a path to success, though it's surely a road less traveled by mainstream politicians.

497 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:55:48pm

re: #487 pink freud

Lake Jackson, I believe, south of Houston, on the way to Galveston

/sorry

498 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:56:04pm

re: #494 taxfreekiller

ms tfk , she is great..

when we first arrived she kept looking things over..

then she pulled me aside...

"listen to me, look at these people over here, then those over there,"

I said ya, what...

"check out the sock" she said

yep, black socks, long ones, hot as hell yesterday, yet there they were, black shorts, black tennis shoes, long black socks,

then they hauled out the "Don't Tread On Me Flags" and then the
Federal Reserve shit on flyer's,

she saw it coming just from the kook Democrat look they had....

good scout eh?

499 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:56:23pm

re: #494 taxfreekiller

yep, black socks, long ones, hot as hell yesterday, yet there they were, black shorts, black tennis shoes, long black socks,

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

500 Pigtown Water Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:56:33pm

re: #491 buzzsawmonkey

Ok. I teach students who have one or more children. If this works (his statement--and its interpretation) ,I'm all for it.

501 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:57:04pm

re: #490 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON - Police say former Washington Mayor Marion Barry has been arrested and charged with stalking a woman.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

He makes Al Sharpton look good. Well almost?

I don't believe there's video of Sharpton smoking crack while mayor of a large city. So yes, Marion Barry does make Sharpton look good.

502 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:57:11pm

re: #485 JarHeadLifer

and she obviously did not use it since she kept looking a her notes.

503 pink freud  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:58:03pm

re: #497 Killian Bundy

/sorry

Part of the soundtrack of my childhood. Perfectly ok for that reason. :-)

504 Rolltideroll  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:59:13pm

re: #496 Silvergirl
Thats an interesting point. I was discussing a topic like this with my friend, and we both reached the same conclusion:It would be easier to forgive a man for an affair than a woman, and that women are always judged more harshly for mistakes than men tend to be. I am not in any way saying Plain had an affair, but I am firmly convinced that Sanford would find forgiveness faster than she would. I guess I am saying the Boys wilkl be boys mentality persists throughout the life course.

505 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:59:44pm

re: #492 reine.de.tout

I know he'll be "nice" about it. He has wanted, imo, to simply sound an alarm so that people would pay attention to what was going in at their local tea parties; and I'm glad he did.

I was just trying to yank his chain a little.

I was trying to yank his chain a little with my picture, too. Couldn't resist. I'm glad he made us aware. Went to a tea party May day thing in Pasadena just to observe and didn't notice any obvious Paulians but there were a couple of people in the audience that seemed like kooks of some kind. Andrew Breitbart seemed to be in charge of that one.

506 VioletTiger  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 1:59:48pm

re: #496 Silvergirl

Something that Sharmuta says every so often is that she believes a woman will not have a successful run for President in a very long time. Of course that bugs me and many other women, not because there is no truth to it, but because it may be too true. We saw how Palin was treated--we discussed it in horror during the election and we're talking about it again now. So maybe if so very much is stacked against a woman seeking office, it's a nothing to lose situation, so you start making bold moves which may leave yourself open to ridicule (pile it on, you're used to it), and which may also be one of many steps down a path to success, though it's surely a road less traveled by mainstream politicians.

When Hillary was running against Obama the press treated her pretty terribly too (not as bad as Sarah, though). I think the fact that for many people, sexism does not get the same visceral reaction as racism means that it will be a weapon in preventing the electing a woman pres or vice pres for a long time.

507 Nevergiveup  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:01:12pm

Obama assured of a chilly Russian welcome despite first signs of thaw

Published Date: 04 July 2009
By Chris Stephen in New York
BARACK Obama will have few traffic problems getting to the Kremlin for his first summit with Russian president Dmitri Medvedev on Monday – the Obamamania that has swept much of the rest of the world is absent from Moscow; there will be no adoring crowds to greet him.
A recent poll by Russia's Levada Centre found only 23 per cent of citizens believe the US president will "do the right thing in world affairs", with many doubting his promise of change will heal antagonisms between Russia and the West.


[Link: news.scotsman.com...]

Don't they know that Obama is a comm.....er..well lets say a tad to the left?

508 Silvergirl  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:01:17pm

BBL (I hope)

Thanks for the fun!

509 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:01:22pm

re: #478 kynna


BTW -- you may not be impressed by her, but she leaves the Alaskan governorship with her state in the black. For those of us living in California, and other states run to the ground by "liberal" fiscal policies, that seems like a result we can only dream about.


In fairness, Alaska is helped by a 25% piece of the oil revenues they get from big oil and a much smaller infrastructure then California for example. She has not been as fiscally conservative as some previous governors with a 31% increase in spending.

spending.

510 VioletTiger  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:01:31pm

re: #494 taxfreekiller

tfk,

I did not attend that Philadelphia tea party but was told by people who did that the Paulians came in AFTER the official time of the tea party. When they got up to speak, most everyone else had gone.

511 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:02:03pm

re: #492 reine.de.tout

I was just trying to yank his chain a little.

A popular sport in these parts!

512 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:02:15pm
513 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:03:06pm

bbiab, laundry calls.

514 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:03:27pm

re: #509 avanti

In fairness, Alaska is helped by a 25% piece of the oil revenues they get from big oil and a much smaller infrastructure then California for example. She has not been as fiscally conservative as some previous governors with a 31% increase in spending.

spending.

Funny that you mention the same oil revenue that California could have if not for the liberals. These same liberals running the state into the ground.

515 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:03:28pm

re: #495 reine.de.tout

Yes, there are, and the "nut case" stories divert attention from those real issues.

That's one issue both sides should agree on.

516 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:03:52pm

re: #509 avanti

In fairness, Alaska is helped by a 25% piece of the oil revenues they get from big oil and a much smaller infrastructure then California for example. She has not been as fiscally conservative as some previous governors with a 31% increase in spending.

spending.

in all fairness, CA is sitting on a small mountain of oil...in all fairness liberal leadership has nearly destroyed CA...I hold you personally responsible...fix it

517 callahan23  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:04:32pm

re: #483 MandyManners

re: #464 taxfreekiller
((((((tfk))))))

He is our in-house poet extraordinaire.

518 GGMac  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:04:37pm

re: #360 Silvergirl

The most obnoxious thing he said with sick repetition in the campaign is that he didn't major in math, he majored in miracles. He was endearing himself to his followers by appearing to be full of faith when he was actually full of vindictiveness. He did nothing but connive and plot to ensure that since he wasn't going to win (which he knew full well), then his nemesis Romney wouldn't either.

A problem with some 'organized religions', evidenced in your terminology, "enduring himself to his followers": HE shouldn't have followers; he should be leading people to Christ.

That he has followers shows he's not a pastor, but a politician - and/or a road-show entertainer.

Always prudent to be wary of the agendas out there - of 'mega-churches', and their leaders. If it's Rick Warren's church - the true owner is being sidelined.

519 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:05:04pm

re: #511 wrenchwench

A popular sport in these parts!

I prefer a good whack with my purse

520 Stuart Leviton  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:06:52pm

There are calls for an inquiry into whether the new head of MI6 should be allowed to take up his post after his wife reportedly put personal details on the Facebook website.

Source: Sky News

521 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:07:15pm

re: #519 albusteve

I prefer a good whack with my purse

It takes all kinds.

522 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:07:21pm

re: #496 Silvergirl

Something that Sharmuta says every so often is that she believes a woman will not have a successful run for President in a very long time. Of course that bugs me and many other women, not because there is no truth to it, but because it may be too true. We saw how Palin was treated--we discussed it in horror during the election and we're talking about it again now. So maybe if so very much is stacked against a woman seeking office, it's a nothing to lose situation, so you start making bold moves which may leave yourself open to ridicule (pile it on, you're used to it), and which may also be one of many steps down a path to success, though it's surely a road less traveled by mainstream politicians.

Absolutely. I've had similar conversations with Sharmuta about this. I didn't support Palin, but there is no doubt that she was subjected to vile, misogynistic, sexist attacks. And this unfair treatment of both Clinton and Palin convinced me also that it will be a long time before we see a female POTUS. I hope that I am wrong, but I fear I am not.

And as to your second point-- I also agree. Anytime a woman succeeds in any very male-dominated field, she does so in part because she's (obviously) willing to subvert some stereotypes and expectations about what 'femininity' is. As a result, these women are already iconoclastic and it's easier for them to go against the conventional wisdom-- they're doing it all the time anyway.

(For another example, all the first ethics whistleblowers at Enron were women. Why? Not because women are innately more ethical than men, but because they were already outsiders in that very male culture. I think it was easier for them to speak out, because they were in effect always standing out, in one way or another)

523 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:07:35pm

re: #511 wrenchwench

A popular sport in these parts!

Killgore knows I appreciated the warnings.
So I figured I was a tad entitled to get in on the fun.
He's handled it well. I think.

524 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:07:39pm

re: #519 albusteve

I prefer a good whack with my purse

LOL.

Wait, you prefer to be whacked with your own purse, or to whack others with it?

525 SurferDoc  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:07:58pm

re: #506 VioletTiger

When Hillary was running against Obama the press treated her pretty terribly too (not as bad as Sarah, though). I think the fact that for many people, sexism does not get the same visceral reaction as racism means that it will be a weapon in preventing the electing a woman pres or vice pres for a long time.

As a man I am tired of seeing it and hearing it. And I am angry that so many stand by and tolerate it.

It is long past time we figured out that we are all one tribe and if anyone attacks one of us, they attack us all. We need to get tough, draw a line in the sand and start looking out for our own.

526 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:08:12pm

re: #512 buzzsawmonkey

As I say, I'm not sure that the interpretation I offered above is valid. I'm just trying to suggest that there may have been a more laudable objective behind the statement than there appears to be.

Obama needs you writing his after-the-fact explanations for him.

527 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:08:18pm

Oh good, TOTUS will be in Moscow and Congress is still in recess.

/hopefully none of these clowns will get on the TV tomorrow and chant the, what has become, daily threat to waste trillions of dollars and maybe the markets will have a good day

528 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:08:49pm

re: #512 buzzsawmonkey

As I say, I'm not sure that the interpretation I offered above is valid. I'm just trying to suggest that there may have been a more laudable objective behind the statement than there appears to be.

I am an enthusiastic member of The Buzzsawmonkey Fan Club, but I honestly think this one just slipped out of him.

If what you're suggesting is what some take from it, great, but it seemed to me to be akin to his "spread the wealth around" moment of unintentional transparency.

529 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:09:05pm

re: #524 wrenchwench

LOL.

Wait, you prefer to be whacked with your own purse, or to whack others with it?

there is a trap door in my purse...wOOt!

530 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:09:22pm

re: #514 unrealizedviewpoint

Funny that you mention the same oil revenue that California could have if not for the liberals. These same liberals running the state into the ground.

You'd think the liberals would follow Alaska's example of socializing the profits of the oil and gas companies.

531 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:09:31pm

re: #219 Wendya

Our parties best minds? You mean the ones who gave us McCain?

They belong under the bus.

The democrats gave us McCain. We gave them Obama.

532 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:09:31pm

re: #520 Stuart Leviton

There are calls for an inquiry into whether the new head of MI6 should be allowed to take up his post after his wife reportedly put personal details on the Facebook website.

Source: Sky News

The potentially compromising information about Sir John Sawers included intimate photographs and the location of the couple's London flat, The Mail on Sunday reported.

Lady Shelley Sawers also revealed the whereabouts of their three children and of Sir John's parents on the social networking site, according to the paper.

Is she nuts?

533 Rolltideroll  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:10:03pm

re: #532 MandyManners
She could be a bond girl. Octo Dummy.

534 iceweasel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:10:18pm

I have to take off. Have a great day, all.

535 JarHeadLifer  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:10:34pm

re: #506 VioletTiger

When Hillary was running against Obama the press treated her pretty terribly too (not as bad as Sarah, though). I think the fact that for many people, sexism does not get the same visceral reaction as racism means that it will be a weapon in preventing the electing a woman pres or vice pres for a long time.

If it weren't for one Barack Obama, Hilary Clinton would most likely have been elected, although it may have been a tighter race, and not quite the electoral blow-out we saw.

The only reason Hilary was treated poorly (and there was plenty of sexist, misogynistic comments made), was because the media had already fallen head-over-heels in love with Obama. They picked him up sometime in February or March and carried him over the finish line, both in the Primary and General elections.

We will certainly see a female president in the next 10 years. It won't be Hilary or Palin, but it will happen. Of that, I have no doubt. And, we'll be a better country because of it.

536 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:10:52pm

re: #528 capitalist piglet

I am an enthusiastic member of The Buzzsawmonkey Fan Club, but I honestly think this one just slipped out of him.
. . . .

How many of us are there, you suppose?

537 dmandman  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:11:17pm

re: #532 MandyManners

She's just your average Monty Python Upper Middle Class Twitt....Perfectly normal for her class and station....see it all of the time.

538 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:11:55pm
539 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:12:26pm

re: #496 Silvergirl

Something that Sharmuta says every so often is that she believes a woman will not have a successful run for President in a very long time. Of course that bugs me and many other women, not because there is no truth to it, but because it may be too true. We saw how Palin was treated--we discussed it in horror during the election and we're talking about it again now. So maybe if so very much is stacked against a woman seeking office, it's a nothing to lose situation, so you start making bold moves which may leave yourself open to ridicule (pile it on, you're used to it), and which may also be one of many steps down a path to success, though it's surely a road less traveled by mainstream politicians.

Yes- I think there is still a lot of misogyny in our culture, and not the least of it comes from women. If anyone would like to learn more about the phenomenon of female misogyny, I recommend Woman's Inhumanity to Woman by Dr Phyllis Chesler.

540 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:12:27pm

re: #533 Rolltideroll

She could be a bond girl. Octo Dummy.

Don't people realize that there are stalkers and other nut-jobs on the Internet?

541 kynna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:12:27pm

re: #509 avanti

In fairness, Alaska is helped by a 25% piece of the oil revenues they get from big oil and a much smaller infrastructure then California for example. She has not been as fiscally conservative as some previous governors with a 31% increase in spending.

spending.

Man, if only California would better exploit its energy supplies. We would be "helped" too.

542 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:12:45pm

re: #523 reine.de.tout

Killgore knows I appreciated the warnings.
So I figured I was a tad entitled to get in on the fun.
He's handled it well. I think.

I've had an on/off relationship with him...Hi! KT....and supported his efforts with regard to Paulians...but his broad brush swipes at all conservatives is not fair and he never backed away from the rhetoric...he is wrong about that...I think he is young and idealistic and has been sheltered too much...imo

543 kynna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:12:58pm

re: #514 unrealizedviewpoint

Funny that you mention the same oil revenue that California could have if not for the liberals. These same liberals running the state into the ground.

GMTA. ha!

544 GGMac  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:13:13pm

re: #376 albusteve

my bad...so following if he's a mutt what are they?

545 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:13:19pm

re: #537 dmandman

She's just your average Monty Python Upper Middle Class Twitt....Perfectly normal for her class and station....see it all of the time.

She lacks foresight.

546 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:13:26pm

re: #530 avanti

You'd think the liberals would follow Alaska's example of socializing the profits of the oil and gas companies.

Never happen. Proceeds belong to the State, not the people. Any good lib knows that.

547 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:13:30pm

re: #538 buzzsawmonkey

I'm not sure if that's a compliment or not, but I'll take it as one.

I hesitated to suggest the alternate explanation above, but I think that in fairness it has to be considered, if only to be ultimately rejected.

I meant it as complimentary.
And you are right, your explanation is a sensible one that most of us have not considered, and could very well be what he meant to do. If it was, he needed to either choose his words carefully at the beginning, or come up with an explanation such as the one you just wrote. But he didn't, and he hasn't.

548 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:13:45pm

re: #530 avanti

You'd think the liberals would follow Alaska's example of socializing the profits of the oil and gas companies.

socializing profits?....hahaha...get a grip, that's bullshit

549 Rolltideroll  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:14:26pm

re: #540 MandyManners If your the head of MI ^ posting the locations and addresses of your immediate family can only serve as the basis for an upcoming season of 24.

550 hazzyday  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:14:26pm

The first battle for a GoP presidential candiate in the 2012 elections has to be against the bias in the media. Rock the MSM every way possible and get the average voter to agree with those attacks.

551 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:14:37pm

re: #536 reine.de.tout

How many of us are there, you suppose?

I have no idea, but I think we should formalize it.

552 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:14:57pm

re: #542 albusteve

I've had an on/off relationship with him...Hi! KT....and supported his efforts with regard to Paulians...but his broad brush swipes at all conservatives is not fair and he never backed away from the rhetoric...he is wrong about that...I think he is young and idealistic and has been sheltered too much...imo

I don't see the same thing you see, as re: "broad brush swipes at all conservatives". I do think he is very focused on a few issues.

553 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:15:06pm

re: #549 Rolltideroll

If your the head of MI ^ posting the locations and addresses of your immediate family can only serve as the basis for an upcoming season of 24.

Even if you're not, it's lunacy to post stuff like that on the Internet.

554 Wm T Sherman  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:15:58pm

re: #111 ~Fianna

I
The rape investigation charge was incredibly offputting to women. I'm one of them. McCain lost my vote on Sarah Palin.


What rape charge are you talking about?

555 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:16:26pm

re: #551 capitalist piglet

I have no idea, but I think we should formalize it.

I'm in!

556 jvic  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:17:10pm

re: #535 JarHeadLifer

If it weren't for one Barack Obama, Hilary Clinton would most likely have been elected, although it may have been a tighter race, and not quite the electoral blow-out we saw.

And if Hillary hadn't been overconfident, Barack Obama wouldn't have mattered. Iirc she had taken his measure at the end of the race--but by then it was too late.

557 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:18:56pm

re: #552 reine.de.tout

I don't see the same thing you see, as re: "broad brush swipes at all conservatives". I do think he is very focused on a few issues.

yes, the twin dead ends of RPaul and SPalin....it's a fixation that really accomplishes very little in the long run...that's why I admire tfk

558 Rolltideroll  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:18:58pm

re: #556 jvic Obama snuck up on her like a ninja. I heard she had not budgeted any money past Super Tuesday. Obama is, if nothing else, a pragmatic person. I like to think of the Dem. primary as a victory for Realpolitik.

559 kynna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:20:00pm

re: #554 Wm T Sherman

What rape charge are you talking about?

I think the reference might be to the debunked charge that Palin required rape victims to pay for their own rape kits.

Otherwise, ya got me.

It will be nice when Palin can better counter false charges. A big plus to her stepping down.

560 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:20:36pm

re: #555 reine.de.tout

I'm in!

Okay, let's do this.

You are very sharp. I nominate you for president.

561 hazzyday  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:21:49pm

re: #488 Rolltideroll

It's not evangelical white voters that contributed the majority of her popularity. It was her no nonsense honesty.

562 pink freud  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:22:31pm

re: #560 capitalist piglet

Okay, let's do this.

You are very sharp. I nominate you for president. Queen!

563 JarHeadLifer  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:22:34pm

re: #556 jvic

And if Hillary hadn't been overconfident, Barack Obama wouldn't have mattered. Iirc she had taken his measure at the end of the race--but by then it was too late.

Yes, I think that is right. For Obama, Iowa was critical though. It told black people in America that Obama could win in a lily-white state. That gave Obama believability in the black community. I also think that's when Cupid's arrow really was really set in the media's ass.

Hilary's hubris early on, as you point out, gave Obama the momentum she couldn't overcome.

564 rightside  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:23:22pm

re: #516 albusteve

Don't you find it odd that decades of liberal solutions, and "feel good" programs, and trying to help the poor, have only made things worse? Then there's those who promise change, only to implement those failed programs on a larger scale, and become even larger failures.

Liberalism, is failure.

565 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:24:10pm

avanti...address CA management of it's resources for us...oil, water, that sort of thing...I'm interested in your opinion

566 GGMac  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:24:52pm

re: #403 Killian Bundy

He was groomed for TOTUS from the get go, a machine product.

/seriously, who writes their autobiography in their twenties?


And WHO $ponsors that writing, and foot$ the bill for the advance, the 5-6 month$ in Bali for peace and quiet to write - oop$, that didn't work either - and the free office space at Univ. Chicago to write until the 'best memoir ever written' finally was published?

567 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:25:56pm
568 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:25:59pm

re: #564 rightside

Don't you find it odd that decades of liberal solutions, and "feel good" programs, and trying to help the poor, have only made things worse? Then there's those who promise change, only to implement those failed programs on a larger scale, and become even larger failures.

Liberalism, is failure.

and dangerous as well....people suffer and die from liberal ideology, and I for one hold them responsible for it

569 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:26:46pm

re: #561 hazzyday

It's not evangelical white voters that contributed the majority of her popularity. It was her no nonsense honesty.

Yup, she was unfairly tarred on this point too - big surprise.
The religious loons were all Huckaby all the time.

570 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:27:09pm
571 yochanan  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:28:02pm

re: #108 EmmmieG

Well, then you obviously don't live in Chicago, or you would have voted in every Presidential Election since you were born.

and after you are dead as well.

572 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:28:29pm

re: #570 taxfreekiller

avanti is all for the way Calif. has been over taxed and over spent, in fact he is going to make big money trading the I.O.U.'s.

hahahaha!.....aaahhhaa...ooff

573 Rolltideroll  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:28:38pm

re: #561 hazzyday I noticed the Mccain campaign lost woters in the key demographics. I am not personally attacking the Gov. just pointing out simple demographic changes and the evolving landscape of America. HEr popularity rests almost entirely with the shrinking evangelical base. Look at the numbers. 80% of evangelical children leave the religion. I was raised in a very traditional christian home, I am now an atheist, ad even though it may be confirmation bias, I can tell you hundreds of people who had the same experience.In 20 years they will be,speaking from a demographic viewpoint, a non important entity.She was the candidate of white evangelicals. For prooflook at the racial and age make up of Palin rally attendees. Middle to older aged white weekly church goers. Overwhelmingly white, in a nation that is no longer. If the Repubs want to survive the evangelicals have to be told to tone it down, and accept changes in the platform.

574 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:30:00pm
575 Rolltideroll  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:30:48pm

re: #572 albusteve
I will trade a baseball card of any member of the 1987 Kansas City Royals for $3.5 million of those IOU's

576 Pigtown Water Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:32:19pm

re: #566 GGMac

God, I would love 6 months on Bali to write (first it came out as Balti, then Baal...make of it what you will...) ... really--make of it...

577 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:32:25pm

re: #574 taxfreekiller

First Calif. I.O.U.'s traded on the Big O Holes cardboard of trade, then the CO2 Carbon Credit Fraud Trades run by the Al Gore trading company.

Avanti and Obama are going to be both "coning the money"!

furiously trading CA, Inc. penny stocks...oh man, that's just funny

578 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:33:36pm

re: #565 albusteve

avanti...address CA management of it's resources for us...oil, water, that sort of thing...I'm interested in your opinion

I have zero information on, or interest in California politics, sorry. I don't think they take 25% of of energy companies income and distribute to the population like Alaska does though.

579 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:34:01pm

re: #562 pink freud

You must have an important role as well. Hmmmm...

580 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:34:01pm

re: #575 Rolltideroll

I will trade a baseball card of any member of the 1987 Kansas City Royals for $3.5 million of those IOU's

just to make $25?....keep them, they will be worth more as wall insulation

581 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:35:03pm

re: #578 avanti

I have zero information on, or interest in California politics, sorry. I don't think they take 25% of of energy companies income and distribute to the population like Alaska does though.

maybe they should...consider their situation right now

582 hazzyday  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:36:15pm

re: #576 Pigtown Water Dog

Bali was cheap when I was there. Stayed at Oka Wati's. Small nice residences. Gecko's climbing on the ceiling in the night occasionally let out this ear piercing scream. It's culture is probably as polar opposite of the US as you can get.

South end of the island are the Western Hotels like the Westin.

583 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:36:46pm
584 Rolltideroll  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:37:30pm

I wonder if Cali could make some money by offering to take Cynbthia Mckinneys' crazy ass off Israels hands and charging them a flat rate of $40 a day.

585 kynna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:37:51pm

re: #578 avanti

I have zero information on, or interest in California politics, sorry. I don't think they take 25% of of energy companies income and distribute to the population like Alaska does though.

And yet, the Alaskan government is running in the black. How can they do that and give profits from the state's energy investment back to the people? How does that work? I just can't figure it out! The government should be keeping that money to spend it wisely.

///

586 Red Pencil  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:38:06pm

re: #272 wahabicorridor

They wrote a pretty good book together "All's Fair" about their time working on opposing campaigns when there was no way they could see each other.

Apparently they have GREAT, fun fights. (She mentions wanting to rip his face off more than once)

Dang, and here I thought Carville's face was ALWAYS like that...

587 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:38:17pm

re: #578 avanti

I have zero information on, or interest in California politics, sorry. I don't think they take 25% of of energy companies income and distribute to the population like Alaska does though.

That's it Avanti, avoid the subject claiming ignorance of CA's condition brought forth by liberal policies. Wow! Just wow!

588 Pigtown Water Dog  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:38:25pm

re: #582 hazzyday


I remember having to shake out my shoes in Nogalis (spelling...) screaming is fine by me.-- cheap IS OK!

589 Iron Fist  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:38:47pm

re: #192 ~Fianna

JacksonTn - I disagree. Not liking what Obama has to say and thinking that he had nothing to say aren't the same thing.

The charisma definitely helps. That's why Regan, G.W. Bush and Clinton were all 2 term presidents and GHW Bush was not.


George HW Bush wasn't a two term President because he pissed in the face of the base on two different issues: taxes ("Read my lips") and gun control (executive order banning the importation of semi-automatic rifles). Remember, Clinton only took 43% of the vote. Perot took 19-20% and almost all that vote came from Bush. Way more than enough to carry the day.

To win the Presidency from either Party you have to hold the base and appeal to the middle. This much isn't any real mystery. Doing it can, at times, be difficult. This is especially true for Republican candidates (whose base is far less forgiving when their supposed champion attacks them), but the Democrats have their own problems.

In truth, the Democrats have pretty much won the debate on abortion. That doesn't make Roe v. Wade good law, or even a good decision. It is, was, and always will be bad law. But even if it is overturned abortion will only be curtailed in the most egregious circumstances (we're never going to let you smother your newborn to death with a pillow)(think that's a stretch? Google Peter Singer and read what comes up). It will not be outlawed. It is that simple. We need to move beyond that.

OTOH, the Right has almost won the Gun Control debate. In last year's Heller decision, all nine Justices accepted that the Second Amendment deliniated an individual right, they just differed on whether or not DC's infringement on that right merited being struck down, or whether it was an appropriate infringement for public safety.

That is a long way from where things stood in 1990. It is a beginning. Future cases will help clarify if the Second Amendment applies to States (the 9th Circuit Court says it does), what types of arms are covered (US v. Miller pretty much indicated that military weapons were the only class of weapons that were protected), and which (if any) Federal and State gun controls are Constitutional.

The Democrats seem to have learned their lesson on this issue. It is a major loser for them. If they try and reinstate the "assault weapons" ban, they will most likely be the minority party again in 2010 whether it passes or fails. Whether they have really learned their lesson, or are just biding their time until voters watchful eyes are distracted remains to be seen.

In both of these cases the Party has to go against the wishes of its respective base, but, as I said earlier, the Democrat base is more forgiving than the Republican base. @012 is a long way away right now, and the voters are (in truth) disenchanted with both parties. By 2012 the Democrats will have had plenty of time to show us how they are going to deliver on their promises of fairy dust and unicorns. If the Republicans will decide that defeating the Democrats is more important than scoring private political points (or, worse, showing "bipartisanship". The way "bipartisanship" is defined right now is the Democrats get everything they want and the Republicans pay for it. That happy horseshit needs to stop yesterday), they will be competative, but they are going to have to decide that they will fight the Democrats on the ground that they have laid.

Politics isn't a boxing match to be carried out by certain "rules of decorum and sportsmanship". Politics is a knife fight. In a knife fight, all that matters is who's left standing at the end of the dustup.

590 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:39:13pm

avanti...do you consider the dire straights CA has put itself in to be a precursor to the economic climate in the rest of the US?....just wondering

591 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:39:21pm

re: #578 avanti

I have zero information on, or interest in California politics, sorry. I don't think they take 25% of of energy companies income and distribute to the population like Alaska does though.

Much better to take those royalties and apply them to stem cell research. Very progressive, even if you do go broke and end up overtaxing your citizens.

Stupid citizens would probly just go spend that money on stupid citizen stuff.

592 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:40:18pm
593 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:42:08pm

re: #550 hazzyday

The first battle for a GoP presidential candiate in the 2012 elections has to be against the bias in the media. Rock the MSM every way possible and get the average voter to agree with those attacks.

I think we could finally win the battle against the media-industrial complex and its institutional agenda if we could really educate the public about the nature of media bias.
To do this, though, we have to stop pretending that media even should be neutral or unbiased. The problem with the establishment media is not their bias, it is their ridiculous pretense of neutrality. Nobody, for example, faults the Daily Worker or the John Birch Society's New American for having a biased agenda. They aren't fooling anyone, so we attack them for their specific positions instead.
I had a lot to say about this earlier.
Educating the public about this will be a lot easier if we don't combine it with a hopeless attempt to browbeat hostile media into suddenly becoming objective and neutral. That only elicits their defiance and induces them to be even more deceptive in their appeals.
Confronting the specific biases, without claiming that bias itself is wrong, is the way to go.
One specific suggestion: A series of openly Republican TV spots, done in the style of a PSA, and highlighting and describing specific devices of propaganda, such as invited inference, strawman, or weasel words.

594 kynna  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:42:17pm

re: #591 The Shadow Do

Much better to take those royalties and apply them to stem cell research. Very progressive, even if you do go broke and end up overtaxing your citizens.

Stupid citizens would probly just go spend that money on stupid citizen stuff.

Stupid citizen stuff = pursuit of happiness

Can't be havin' that.

595 Rolltideroll  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:42:28pm

re: #589 Iron Fist Good analysis.

596 lawhawk  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:42:57pm

Should it be a surprise that Huckabee isn't too shook up by Palin resigning? Huckabee still thinks that he's got a shot in 2012, and making Palin out to be something less of a competent executive or unstable or whatever will be to his advantage. Taking out a possible rival is to his benefit, and doing so early and often makes sense. Of course, it also shows the lengths to which her potential GOP rivals are going to try and benefit from this situation because she was a much bigger threat to win the nomination than they would care to admit.

Rove too doesn't think too much of Palin's resignation because it doesn't inure political benefit to Palin down the road. It's a much harder thing to defend than the usual route for politicians who seek higher office, which is to do double duty as a politician running for higher office while holding their current office.

People seem to shrug off the reality that someone running for office spends little time on their current job - just look at Obama or Biden or any of the other recent politicians who have run for the White House. They've all come from a position where they were currently in office, not ones who were out of the business world or who had resigned or left political office to spend time on a run for the White House.

597 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:43:03pm
598 GGMac  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:43:36pm

re: #447 _RememberTonyC

Huckabee's TV show reminds me of some cheesy local production. And I still can't get this family photo out of my mind.

[Link: www.blogadilla.com...]

That's truly pathetic.

599 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:43:43pm

I'm starting a LGF consortium to aquire Lake Tahoe...it's the patriotic thing to do....call my office if interested

600 NY Nana  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:43:53pm

Feeling too crappy to read the whole thread, but if this has not been posted, here is Sarah Palin's page on Facebook.

You have to be signed in to comment, but can still read it if you are not.

Pvt bin Jammin?

He is just precious! McCain knows an extra-cute little guy when he sees one. Pink Freud did a great job!

Later, Lizards....

601 SlartyBartfast  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:43:57pm

I've been dumpster divin'

On HuffPo, Paul Begala, CNN political commentator, on Sarah Palin:

She makes David Vitter, the senator who was hanging out with hookers, look almost boring. She makes Larry Craig, caught hitting on a cop in a men's room, look almost stable. She makes John Ensign, the senator who was having an affair with a staffer, look almost humdrum (and compared to the rest of the GOP whack-jobs, he is). And she makes Mark Sanford, the governor with the Latin lover, look positively predictable.

Daryl Hannah (whose name appears in green font) says she got arrested in West Virginia. In fact, her essay is entitled, "Why I Was Arrested in Coal River, West Virginia." The title is odd since she never gets around to saying what she was doing when she got arrested. Apparently, she was protesting "Mountain Top Removal"...

So, I went to Coal River to help bring much needed attention to this hidden, criminal (but somehow legal) form of mining.

Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders says, "We Must Stop the Rampant Fraud in the Health Care Industry." Well, Bernie, we better turn it over to the Gov't then, hadn't we?

Ugh! Time for a shower...

602 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:44:19pm

re: #590 albusteve

avanti...do you consider the dire straights CA has put itself in to be a precursor to the economic climate in the rest of the US?....just wondering

Surely you jest?
/

603 Iron Fist  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:44:48pm

re: #506 VioletTiger

When Hillary was running against Obama the press treated her pretty terribly too (not as bad as Sarah, though). I think the fact that for many people, sexism does not get the same visceral reaction as racism means that it will be a weapon in preventing the electing a woman pres or vice pres for a long time.

The Democrats will pay no price for their misogyny either against Clinton or Palin. In fact, many of the supposedly "pro-woman" organizations may have secretly cheered it on as long as Palin was the target (NOW, I'm looking at you). Be that as it may, it won't stop as long as there is no price to pay for it. And certainly to date, so long as the misogynist is Democrat, there is no penalty to be paid. Not even for the crime of rape.

604 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:46:54pm

re: #591 The Shadow Do

Much better to take those royalties and apply them to stem cell research. Very progressive, even if you do go broke and end up overtaxing your citizens.

Stupid citizens would probly just go spend that money on stupid citizen stuff.

Any state with natural resources does something - takes royalties, collects taxes - to benefit the state from which those resources are taken.
In Louisiana. here is one:

LOUISIANA SEVERANCE TAX
(The following is the Technology Assessment Division summary of the law.
For legal definition look them up in the LSA at the indicated statutory citation.)
Severance tax is levied on production of natural resources taken from land or water bottoms within the territorial boundaries of the state. The state collects no severance from production in federal waters in the Gulf which start three miles from the Louisiana coast line. Natural resources are all forms of timber, including pulp woods, and turpentine and other forest products; minerals such as oil, gas, natural gasoline, distillate, condensate, casinghead gasoline, sulphur, salt, coal, lignite, and ores; also marble, stone, gravel, sand, shells, and other natural deposits; and the salt content in brine. Oil and gas collections account for almost 92 percent of all severance tax collections. Because of the significant revenues generated, the focus will be centered on the oil and gas Severance tax is paid by the owners of the natural resources at the time of severance.

I'm not sure whether we also get separate "royalties" or if this is it. I couldn't find anything under "royalties".

605 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:48:40pm

With 20% unemployment, and everyone paying 50% of there income in taxes, and Hollywood celebs filing bankruptcy, and the North Koreans and Al Queda thinking of us as wankers, everyone is going to look at her and continue to bitch about her in 2012?

606 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:48:57pm

re: #587 unrealizedviewpoint

That's it Avanti, avoid the subject claiming ignorance of CA's condition brought forth by liberal policies. Wow! Just wow!

I'm in Maryland and don't actively follow California politics. The only reason I can name the Republican Governor is because he's a movie star.

607 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:51:36pm
608 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:53:31pm

re: #606 avanti

I'm in Maryland and don't actively follow California politics. The only reason I can name the Republican Governor is because he's a movie star.

California financial problems are national news and are spoken of regularly here at LGF. Claiming ignorance of her problems is far from genuine. One would need live in a bubble not to be aware.

609 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:54:20pm

re: #604 reine.de.tout

I'm not sure whether we also get separate "royalties" or if this is it. I couldn't find anything under "royalties".

I think Alaska is fairly unique. The oil companies pay for 80% of the cost of the government, the state gets back $2.00 for every dollar withheld from the feds and each citizen gets a annual check from the oil companies money.

610 GGMac  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:55:25pm

re: #467 pink freud

Good to see you posting again, GGMac. Neat avatar!

Thanks.

The avatar - they were on our shed when we lived in SC years ago, and were the inspiration for my favorite spring poem:

Hooray, the first of May...
Outdoor screwing starts today!


:)

611 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:55:45pm

re: #604 reine.de.tout

The State, whatever State, takes a percentage. It is what it does with that revenue that makes it interesting. AK pays it out to its citizens, reducing taxes in essence. CA treats it as general income from all I can gather and spends it for whatever the cause du jour is. Deep philisophical difference. One State broke, one State thriving. One progressive? One not so much. Interesting. I don't know what LA does with this money, but it would be intersesting to know.

612 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:56:01pm

re: #606 avanti

I'm in Maryland and don't actively follow California politics. The only reason I can name the Republican Governor is because he's a movie star.

but you follow Alaska politics?.....how does that work?

613 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:56:53pm
614 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:57:31pm

avanti...where do you get that cool red rubber nose you where?

615 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:57:40pm

re: #608 unrealizedviewpoint

California financial problems are national news and are spoken of regularly here at LGF. Claiming ignorance of her problems is far from genuine. One would need live in a bubble not to be aware.

Sorry, I have not been paying attention, I know the state is broke, but don't live or vote there, so I don't follow it.

616 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:57:52pm
617 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:59:03pm

re: #615 avanti

Sorry, I have not been paying attention, I know the state is broke, but don't live or vote there, so I don't follow it.

well then it's time you did....what the fuck have you been doing all this time?

618 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 2:59:50pm

re: #606 avanti

I'm in Maryland and don't actively follow California politics. The only reason I can name the Republican Governor is because he's a movie star.

why are you not paying attention? CA is the liberal model, no? You seem pretty political, why are you so indifferent? Is it the piss poor results there which are obvious to anyone who can read, or is your claimed ignorance completely willful? I suggest you simply don't want to address the obvious failures of liberalism, but that is just my take of course.

619 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:00:58pm

re: #613 taxfreekiller

avanti sees oil companies only as a means to dole checks for the redistribution

Not really, isn't Alaska the only state that does that ?

620 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:02:37pm

avanti...log off...we dig hard answers not sugar coated tripe...come back on the AM threat where you can make out with your butt buddies...you are over your head here

621 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:03:50pm

re: #619 avanti

Not really, isn't Alaska the only state that does that ?

Dear Avanti,
Redistribution would be to take the money and give it to the favored elements of the population. The money going back to the folks in AK is in essence a tax break. Everyone qualifies. That is not redistribution, except to the obtuse of course.

622 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:04:32pm
623 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:05:08pm

re: #615 avanti

Sorry, I have not been paying attention, I know the state is broke, but don't live or vote there, so I don't follow it.

How convenient for you.
Yet, as albusteve says, you follow Alaska politics.
Weird.

I got a hint for ya Avanti. Look at California, before it's too late. Obama and the dems in the congress are in the process of doing to the United States what the California legislature did to California.

624 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:05:53pm

re: #612 albusteve

but you follow Alaska politics?.....how does that work?

Nope, just did some research on google when Palin budget prowess and fiscal conservatism came up.
I know California is far from a model of fiscal conservatism.

625 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:07:01pm

re: #611 The Shadow Do

The State, whatever State, takes a percentage. It is what it does with that revenue that makes it interesting. AK pays it out to its citizens, reducing taxes in essence. CA treats it as general income from all I can gather and spends it for whatever the cause du jour is. Deep philisophical difference. One State broke, one State thriving. One progressive? One not so much. Interesting. I don't know what LA does with this money, but it would be intersesting to know.

General fund. And the amount has decreased in recent years, from previous ones, and the state was so accustomed to spending spending spending that money, it had to look for new ways to fund things. Although our state usually has not suffered from poor economic times as much as other states have.


A lot of the "general fund" money in Louisiana is actually only available to a few agencies as the income is 'dedicated" to this or that. Which means there are some state agencies that always have more than they need; while others are laying people off.

626 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:08:15pm

re: #623 unrealizedviewpoint

How convenient for you.
Yet, as albusteve says, you follow Alaska politics.
Weird.

I got a hint for ya Avanti. Look at California, before it's too late. Obama and the dems in the congress are in the process of doing to the United States what the California legislature did to California.

he follows Alaska politics because he has some crude, neanderthal fixation on Palin...then says she is no threat to liberals...hahaha!...it's a disease

627 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:08:27pm

re: #601 SlartyBartfast

I've been dumpster divin'

On HuffPo, Paul Begala, CNN political commentator, on Sarah Palin:

She makes David Vitter, the senator who was hanging out with hookers, look almost boring. She makes Larry Craig, caught hitting on a cop in a men's room, look almost stable. She makes John Ensign, the senator who was having an affair with a staffer, look almost humdrum (and compared to the rest of the GOP whack-jobs, he is). And she makes Mark Sanford, the governor with the Latin lover, look positively predictable.


And she makes Paul Begala look like he's never heard of a Democrat in a sex scandal...even his former horndog of a boss.

628 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:08:34pm
629 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:09:20pm

re: #624 avanti

Nope, just did some research on google when Palin budget prowess and fiscal conservatism came up.
I know California is far from a model of fiscal conservatism.

fiscal conservatism?....how about just plain fiscal responsibility?....you grok?

630 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:10:30pm

re: #628 taxfreekiller

he knows it all,
he does not care
none of them do
they await others
to bail them and Obama out
when they get it screwed up

same thing with wars
they get the country in some
shit they start, then they
come to us to do the shit work

then when we have to break heads to do so
they piss and moan and call us Baby Killers....

I will NEVER forget your dustup bro...never

631 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:10:57pm

re: #621 The Shadow Do

Dear Avanti,
Redistribution would be to take the money and give it to the favored elements of the population. The money going back to the folks in AK is in essence a tax break. Everyone qualifies. That is not redistribution, except to the obtuse of course.

re: #621 The Shadow Do

Dear Avanti,
Redistribution would be to take the money and give it to the favored elements of the population. The money going back to the folks in AK is in essence a tax break. Everyone qualifies. That is not redistribution, except to the obtuse of course.

I don't think it's a reduction in taxes, I don't think they pay state taxes. I have no problem taking from the oil companies and giving it to the citizens.

632 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:12:10pm
633 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:12:36pm

re: #627 capitalist piglet

We have not heard of the Obama sex scandel. But give it time. There are to many liberals who think he is sooo sexy.

634 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:14:14pm
635 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:14:14pm

re: #631 avanti

I don't think it's a reduction in taxes, I don't think they pay state taxes. I have no problem taking from the oil companies and giving it to the citizens.

bail faster....hurry up

636 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:15:56pm

re: #634 taxfreekiller

Rev. Wright will pray for him, Rev. Jackson will sell the photo's back,

msm not a word, done in say 1/2 news day.

ha...you are en fuego...

637 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:16:03pm
638 albusteve  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:20:29pm

I will not be attending avanti's blog funeral

639 GGMac  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:22:20pm

re: #470 reine.de.tout

Yes, I'm also glad to see GGMac.

Hope he/she sticks around more.

Thanks reine :)
Quite a spell of 'otherness' - minor surgery, hubby laid off after 13 years (China is better at manufacturing); 5 months unemployed, then 6 months employed before another layoff ( different employer, but china is still better, doncha know); visiting grandkids - talk about heaven on earth - and their kids. Life is tough - but life is beautiful! The upside.

Downside - why we're all here gnashing our teeth. The state of our country is so fragile and worrisome. But if it weren't for the scoundrels abounding in DC, we'd likely not have met so many worthwhile friends here at LGF - so even the downside of political mayhem has an upside for us!

640 Scion9  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:22:25pm

re: #593 Shiplord Kirel

I think for such a campaign to be successful you need to go after the journalists, editors, owners, donors and J-school professors themselves and turn those people into celebrities instead of 'educating' the public on how to spot fallacious arguments and spin tactics. No one takes Sean Hannity seriously except for those who agree with him politically, because he is openly partisan. He isn't a journalist, but a commentator, a pundit, what have you.

Every journalist and everyone involved with the entire media structure needs to become a Sean Hannity or Keith Olbermann, because that is exactly what they are; spreaders of their own subjective opinion and not purveyors of facts.

Attacking the man, and doing investigative journalism into the journalists, their associations, teachers, curricula vitae, financial goings on, party affiliation, et cetera. Deconstruct the individuals involved with the institution rather than the institution itself.

No one that needs educating on how to think is going to get help from some PACs PSA. The best you could hope for there is spreading an MSM = Evil meme, which is already pretty well done among the base in my opinion, and it isn't going to go further than that. People will latch onto 'celebrities' and scandals in a way that they won't to educational filmstrip. Make 'em famous.

641 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:23:25pm

re: #635 albusteve

bail faster....hurry up

I'm confused, it was conservatives in Alaska that came up with taking from the oil companies and giving it to the citizens. The oil companies wanted to drill on state land, they should pay for that lease, and the land belongs to the citizens one way or another. You can give it to the state, or directly to the citizens.

642 ladycatnip  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:23:57pm

It's painfully obvious why the media and the left continue to hound Palin with vicious comments and slander. They really do think she's a threat. I can't remember ever seeing this much coverage on an impotent or ineffectual candidate/politician. Waste of time and ink.

643 avanti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:26:21pm

BBL, dinner calls.

644 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:30:14pm
645 JarHeadLifer  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:31:45pm

re: #642 ladycatnip

It's painfully obvious why the media and the left continue to hound Palin with vicious comments and slander. They really do think she's a threat. I can't remember ever seeing this much coverage on an impotent or ineffectual candidate/politician. Waste of time and ink.

I think in the first few weeks of her nomination, the media establishment was incredibly afraid of her. Her charisma and the reception she was given everywhere she spoke was very compelling.

Then, the Couric and Gibson debacles happened. After that, when Palin's stock dropped precipitously with the American public, the media saw a way to paint Palin has the face of the Republican party, and that alone would have a detrimental effect on the party. It worked. And, it's still working.

As popular as Palin is with a percentage of the Republican party, she's toxic and clownish to the rest of the country. The media keeps Palin in the spotlight because it serves their larger political narrative - Republicans are unthinking, unintellectual and incompetent. She's the gift that keeps giving. It's not fear they're showing, it's glee and appreciation.

646 Iron Fist  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:36:00pm

re: #633 hous bin pharteen

You'll never get the goat to talk.

647 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:41:05pm
648 GGMac  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:48:31pm

re: #576 Pigtown Water Dog

God, I would love 6 months on Bali to write (first it came out as Balti, then Baal...make of it what you will...) ... really--make of it...

That's got to be among the funniest slips ever. Priceless!

649 Capitalistincharge  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:53:05pm

Regarding Alaska and Oil. I believe that Alaska is doing business on behalf of it's shareholders (state citizens). As a business, it takes in money(from oil taxes & leases) and pays it's bills then distributes to the shareholders their piece of the profitability. That is not redistribution. Gosh, it's almost like free-market principle or something......

650 jvic  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:53:45pm

re: #647 buzzsawmonkey

Which is why I hope that Palin is indeed engaging in an Antaeus move (see my #388 above), going back to her own sources of strength and turning her back on what the Republican pros think she should do. If she does that, she will either come back as the powerhouse she first appeared to be when she accepted the nomination, magnified evven beyond her initial strength because she will have gotten to be a powerhouse on her own terms--or she will rapidly crash and burn.

It is clear that Palin will get no support for anything she does from the Republican pros, so an Antaeus move is her only real option.

Palin's Facebook info lists her as a Republican, but the word does not appear in her Independence Day post.

Might she try to start a new party? It seems unlikely--but I don't see a likely explanation for her resignation.

651 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 3:58:13pm
652 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:45:21pm

re: #589 Iron Fist

In US vs Miller, Miller had been found dead in a ditch when the case was considered by the USSC and therefore was not represented.The US did not offer any evidence of the fact that short barreled shotguns had been used by the US military in WWI in trench warfare.

653 NoWhereAlaska  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 4:49:20pm

It will be an interesting week. Last week the 15th ethic complaint against Palin was thrown out. And Sen. Hollis French, he Democratic state senator who oversaw the "Troopergate" investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin filed a letter of intent to run for Governor.
So the timing of her announcement is interesting. I believe she had no intention of running for another term. But with the French entering the race, she was going to have to put up with all the usual political 'crap' from him. And to announce that she wouldn't run puts the GOP race into situation where all the usual suspects would be jockeying for position. By resigning it puts her Lt. Governor and ally in a power position to keep the governorship. It also eliminates any more ethics complaints.
I have said that I thought it was a big mistake on her part. But given the larger picture--there is a real logic behind her move.

654 redc1c4  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 5:13:10pm

re: #599 albusteve

I'm starting a LGF consortium to aquire Lake Tahoe...it's the patriotic thing to do....call my office if interested

can we drain all the water out and pipe it down to So Cal?

i'm sure the lake bed would make a bitchen skate park!

655 avspatti  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:33:34pm

re: #456 unrealizedviewpoint

I find it simply amazing how folks can be so reasonable about most every subject, but when it comes to the abortion issue they go off the rails.

Because it is a foundational issue. If there is no life, there are no rights or anything else.

656 BigPapa  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:42:41pm

Zelaya's plane can't land in Honduras.

Zelaya, a wealthy rancher who has shifted to left during his presidency, has drawn most of his support from the working and middle classes, while his opponents are based in the ranks of the well-to-do.

Checking this narrative out...

657 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 6:48:43pm

Everyone -

Karl Rove and Former Gov. Huckabee? Hell - add Dr. Shalit. In ANY Classical Political View - SHE BLEW IT! Perhaps Gov. Palin has another plan. I still believe she has a better resume than Pres. Obama, as did Sec. State Rodham-Clinton, MITT ROMNEY, Rudy Giuliani, Former Senator Fred Thompson and of course Sen. John McCain, Former Gov. "Jeb" Bush and others.
Perhaps Gov. Palin is crazy "like a vixen" - I hope, yea, Pray so. I read her letter on energy policy - a Masterpiece - if I might say so. I want her to succeed. In my imagery - she is beyond Michael Reagan's take. More like the Daughter Harry Truman would have WISHED he would have had. Have heard about her ready to sue for slander/libel. She would deserve EVERY NICKEL and DIME she could get - AND - this is the US, NYT v. Sullivan - she is a "Public Person" even AFTER her resignation. Sarah Palin can never even be a "Former Rep. Miller" doing AM-EX Commercials. For Gov. Palin to collect MONEY, she willl have to sue in the UK where Slander/Libel Law is more flexible - I WOULD suggest that to her IF Money is the Object - Publication By Internet being the theory. Last I saw, the UK IS part of the linguistic "Anglosphere."
AND - STILL TONIGHT - I wold prefer HER at the "Helm" than the incumbent President - Barack H. Obama. That is "quite enough."

-S-

658 NukeAtomrod  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 7:34:21pm

It seems to me that Sarah Palin is doing what's best for Alaska here. She was unlikely to get anything done with the constant partisan attacks on her within her state and from the national media. The ever increasing amount of disingenuous ethics complaints would likely bankrupt the Palins and Alaska in legal fees.

Her career in national politics was obviously a secondary consideration, because there is no way to spin her resignation as a positive in that regard. The career politicians and pundits are confused because, in their estimation, a politician's first responsibility is to his/her own future. The mainstream media is just gloating.

She may not be able to recover from this, but she has proven she's the real thing. She did what was best for her state. That is supposed to be the governor's job. It's extremely rare to see a politician, or anyone else for that matter, stand so firmly on principle.

659 kayfromcarroll  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:12:20pm

re: #509 avanti

In fairness, Alaska is helped by a 25% piece of the oil revenues they get from big oil and a much smaller infrastructure then California for example. She has not been as fiscally conservative as some previous governors with a 31% increase in spending.

spending.

Well, DUUUHHH! Drill Here, Drill NOW!

660 Silvergirl  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:33:25pm

Rove and Huckabee Puzzled by Palin

Dr Suess would say, "And they puzzled and puzzed till their puzzlers were sore."

The Grinch kept puzzling till he had some realizations. Maybe the pundits will figure out that not every move Palin makes or will make is according to the rules in their political world. There are worlds yet undiscovered.

661 kayfromcarroll  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 8:33:47pm

Avanti--

No surprise that you let it slip that you live in Maryland....
If you say you don't know about California's politics, you are being disingenuous.

Every time California passes a law (esp. about the environment), Governor O'Malley and the General Assembly say, "Me too, Me too!

Get real. Maryland is the California wannabe.

662 tatterdemalian  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:25:13pm

Honestly, it's getting to where the media gets an unoverridable veto on every candidate for either party. Everyone I know, professionally and personally, really believes that the photoshopped picture of her in a bikini is proof she's a slut, even though they know it's fake. They all have an "Alice in Wonderland" style faith in the news media... "Well, why would they run a fake picture like that, if she really isn't a slut? The news shows aren't allowed to lie to us, so there must be something to it."

I expect next Presidential could be a neck-and-neck race until the day of the election, then Christine Amanpour bursts into tears the middle of a live report and declares, "I hate Republicans, and nobody should vote for them." And it would give Obama an instant 40-point lead.

663 tatterdemalian  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 9:30:47pm

... You know, even more annoying is the fact that my ability to properly use pronouns seems to be declining rapidly. By "her" I meant Sarah Palin, and I still can't believe I didn't notice the lack of reference until after I posted.

I used to be an editor for my school newspaper, now I can't even proofread my own blog comments. *sigh*

664 zelnaga  Sun, Jul 5, 2009 10:05:08pm

Bristol Palin seems to be the butt of a lot more jokes than Mary Cheney. Does the left find it easier to make jokes about underage mothers than about lesbians or is it simply that the left has more respect for the Cheney's than it does for the Palin's?

I don't think jokes about either are appropriate but it does seem a little inconsistent for the left none-the-less.

665 Yashmak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 7:49:27am

Paul over at Powerline states my feelings on this better than I could have:

(1) there is a scandal that would have made her position as governor untenable, (2) she couldn't take the heat that was coming her way, or (3) she concluded that it was in her best interests to do something other than fulfill the duties associated with the position the voters of Alaska entrusted to her.

Like Paul, I cannot help but acknowledge that in none of those three scenarios does she come out looking like a very good candidate for CofC. Even if she "did what was best for her state", if that best was removing herself from her elected position, that doesn't bode particularly well for a Presidential run. . .because it means there was a reason she couldn't represent those who already voted for her in the gubernatorial election.

666 Big Wabbit  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 8:13:51am

The real deal - our future President blew the gloved one right off the news - just keep underestimating her - just like they did to Reagen

667 drcordell  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:05:54am

This just keeps getting better and better. Watching Palin self-immolate was much more entertaining than any of the fireworks I watched on the 4th.

668 bobbuck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:21:59am

re: #33 Macker

Demo☭rats

I am duly impressed that you knew there was a hammer and sickle unicode character.

669 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:35:40am

re: #655 avspatti

Because it is a foundational issue. If there is no life, there are no rights or anything else.

God forbid ones privacy rights are denied to secure the right of life to another.

670 Linda Mae  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:52:36pm

Just spent an hour on the Alaska state web site downloading news articles about Palin's ethics challenges. In each one, some one mentions the cost of money and time stolen from the citizens of Alaska and the personal cost to Palin. She is not as rich as other governors. She gave up her raise this year.

The challenges are just plain ridiculous. She - and the state of Alaska - are being harasses by Alinsky's Rules for Radicals #4: make someone walk their talk. Palin has made her name from the ethics reforms she brought forth in the state so she is being harassed with phony ethics violations. Once filed, they are supposed to be private until resolved. The bloggers who file them - paid for by DNC - then make them public contrary to the law.

I can see the concern of Palin and those who have to deal with the charges - 15 silly ones so far - with more on the horizon. If only the State could sue those bloggers who file them but they can't. Ironically, Palin runs a transparent government. Unlike someone we know.


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