Britain’s New Intelligence Chief Tied to Holocaust Denier

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World • Mon Jul 6, 2009 at 9:32 am PDT • Views: 195

The wife of Britain’s new’s MI6 foreign intelligence chief, Sir John Sawers, published intimate photos and family details on Facebook.

And the security breach isn’t the worst thing about this story — because her entries on Facebook also revealed that Sawers’ brother-in-law is a friend of notorious Holocaust denier David Irving.

Lady Shelley Sawers’ extraordinary lapse exposed the couple’s friendships with senior diplomats and well-known actors, including Moir Leslie, who plays a leading character in The Archers. And it revealed that the intelligence chief’s brother-in-law - who holidayed with him last month - is an associate of the controversial Right-wing historian David Irving.

Immediately after The Mail on Sunday alerted the Foreign Office to the astonishing misjudgment, all trace of the material – which could potentially be useful to hostile foreign powers or terrorists - was removed from the internet.

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1 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:34:12am

A story within a story.

2 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:34:40am

I guess about now Mr. Sawyers gets to find out what kind of retirement plan MI-6 has got.

3 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:35:54am

How dumb can you get? When I needed an address, I told the sender to send it to my real email address, not on facebook, because it can't be trusted.

4 apachegunner  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:36:05am

damn brits!

5 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:36:30am

This may be overreaching a bit. If you were to judge me by my brother-in-law...well, let's just say it isn't a fair association to make. I didn't marry him; I married his sister.

6 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:36:52am

re: #4 apachegunner

damn brits!

Not to worry - it was all a deception op :-).

7 Teh Flowah  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:36:52am

Ehh, this is where I question just how good a link a "brother in law" is. I've heard more than enough stories of people totally hating their in-laws and having such problems with them that this doesn't faze me until I see something more. Maybe if it was the wife...

8 apachegunner  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:37:19am

re: #6 CIA Reject

Not to worry - it was all a deception op :-).


well, in that case :>)

9 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:37:23am

re: #2 CIA Reject

I guess about now Mr. Sawyers gets to find out what kind of retirement plan MI-6 has got.

He goes to a village somewhere, right?
BTW, The Prisoner DVD set is on sale at Amazon for $56.99 (regular $99)

10 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:37:40am

Why does anyone put "intimate" photos or anything else on the internet?

11 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:38:09am

re: #5 SixDegrees

This may be overreaching a bit. If you were to judge me by my brother-in-law...well, let's just say it isn't a fair association to make. I didn't marry him; I married his sister.

But you don't go on holiday with someone you don't get along with:

And it revealed that the intelligence chief’s brother-in-law - who holidayed with him last month - is an associate of the controversial Right-wing historian David Irving.
12 Kragar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:38:10am

I thought an intelligence service was supposed to collect data, not pass it out.

/

13 realwest  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:39:21am

re: #5 SixDegrees

This may be overreaching a bit. If you were to judge me by my brother-in-law...well, let's just say it isn't a fair association to make. I didn't marry him; I married his sister.


Nope, it's not overreaching a bit; his brother-in-law could not only be a close associate of David Irving, but a whole slew of unsavory characters we don't even know about yet. Doesn't mean that John Sawyers had anything to do with them.

14 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:39:29am

re: #10 midwestgak

Why does anyone put "intimate" photos or anything else on the internet?

You know the answer. We all know the answer.

The history of mankind is one long list of bad judgments, with a few good ones thrown in.

15 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:39:33am

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I thought an intelligence service was supposed to collect data, not pass it out.

/

That's the old way of looking at it. In the new world of unicorns, intelligence services are to share the wealth, just like rich people. But since their wealth is in knowledge, they spread the secrets.
///

16 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:39:38am

re: #9 Kosh's Shadow

He goes to a village somewhere, right?

Yeah, just like Magnus Pym.

Probably with the same result...

17 VioletTiger  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:39:46am

The wife of Britain’s new’s MI6 foreign intelligence chief, Sir John Sawers, published intimate photos and family details on Facebook.


I hope he wasn't planning to tell his wife any state secrets./

18 Kragar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:39:53am

re: #10 midwestgak

Why does anyone put "intimate" photos or anything else on the internet?

Photography, he asks with a knowing grin? nudge nudge, wink wink.

19 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:40:11am

"Astonishing misjudgment" is an understatement.

20 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:40:18am

I'm trying to work up a joke about Mrs. Sawer's FB page, Halloween pictures and Nazi costumes, but it's just not working. Anyone else want to have at it?

21 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:40:20am

Facebook is a dumb idea. but that's just me.

22 realwest  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:40:23am

re: #11 Kosh's Shadow
You do if your wife asks you to.
Trust me on this.

23 Dianna  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:40:53am

re: #9 Kosh's Shadow

He goes to a village somewhere, right?
BTW, The Prisoner DVD set is on sale at Amazon for $56.99 (regular $99)

Oooh! That's good news.

I'm not, btw, quite sure how tight an association this is. But I can't believe the sheer stupidity of the wife. What was she thinking? Was she thinking? Or did she not understand how incredibly insecure FaceBook is?

24 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:40:54am

re: #15 Kosh's Shadow

That's the old way of looking at it. In the new world of unicorns, intelligence services are to share the wealth, just like rich people. But since their wealth is in knowledge, they spread the secrets.
///

see also transparency and openness in government ;-)

25 Kragar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:41:14am

re: #15 Kosh's Shadow

That's the old way of looking at it. In the new world of unicorns, intelligence services are to share the wealth, just like rich people. But since their wealth is in knowledge, they spread the secrets.
///

If we tell them everything we do, then they wont be scared of us anymore and then they can relax and we can all skinny dip in the choclate river where the unicorns frolic.

/

26 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:41:57am

re: #23 Dianna

Oooh! That's good news.

I'm not, btw, quite sure how tight an association this is. But I can't believe the sheer stupidity of the wife. What was she thinking? Was she thinking? Or did she not understand how incredibly insecure FaceBook is?

Well, her husband should now be out of a job.

27 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:42:00am

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If we tell them everything we do, then they wont be scared of us anymore and then they can relax and we can all skinny dip in the choclate river where the unicorns frolic.

/

Keep your nekkid self out of my chocolate river. I wanted to eat out of that. (Or is it sanitary, what with all the unicorns peeing all over the place?)

28 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:42:10am
29 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:42:40am

re: #21 FrogMarch

Facebook is a dumb idea. but that's just me.

I agree. Haven't and never will look into Facebook or Twitter. Scary. There is such a thing as too much information.

30 Kragar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:42:41am

OT

Japanese Black Pepper potato chips might very well be the finest chips I have ever eaten.

31 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:42:44am

re: #11 Kosh's Shadow

But you don't go on holiday with someone you don't get along with

Actually, we sometimes do. To my wife, he's family.

We've also been know to [gasp!] have holiday dinners together.

To me, this is an insignificant connection in and of itself. Show me some evidence that Mr. Sawers actually supports the odious bilge his brother in law does, and I'll gladly think otherwise. But guilt by association with in-laws doesn't get me there.

32 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:42:57am

Do they have a picture of J. Edgar Hoover in drag with a feather boa on that Facebook page?

33 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:43:05am

re: #27 EmmmieG

Keep your nekkid self out of my chocolate river. I wanted to eat out of that. (Or is it sanitary, what with all the unicorns peeing all over the place?)

Unicorn pee is sterile, and it tastes like lemonade.

Don't ask me how I know that.

34 apachegunner  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:43:06am

re: #10 midwestgak

Why does anyone put "intimate" photos or anything else on the internet?

I think the girl lizards should!

35 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:43:15am

re: #27 EmmmieG

Keep your nekkid self out of my chocolate river. I wanted to eat out of that. (Or is it sanitary, what with all the unicorns peeing all over the place?)

Not to worry- unicorn pee cures cancer.

/I thought everybody knew that...

36 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:43:37am

re: #29 midwestgak

I agree. Haven't and never will look into Facebook or Twitter. Scary. There is such a thing as too much information.

Exactly. If you want to communicate with friends and family - there's this thing called e-mail. It's a bit more private.

37 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:43:46am

re: #29 midwestgak

I agree. Haven't and never will look into Facebook or Twitter. Scary. There is such a thing as too much information.


Disagree. While there is a thing as too much information, I have been able to get back in touch with old friends. I found out about a death that way. Then again, I think all of my friends chose the private option.

38 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:43:51am

re: #13 realwest

Nope, it's not overreaching a bit; his brother-in-law could not only be a close associate of David Irving, but a whole slew of unsavory characters we don't even know about yet. Doesn't mean that John Sawyers had anything to do with them.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear; your final sentence is my conclusion, as well.

39 RajaBabu  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:44:02am

Guilt by association?

40 alegrias  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:44:25am

re: #34 apachegunner

I think the girl lizards should!

* * *
You & David Letterman the old lecherous creep.

41 SummerSong  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:44:30am

Stupid can be painful...

42 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:44:31am

re: #19 scottishbuzzsaw
Completely OT
I just noticed your avatar. I see you're a knitter. Are you in any groups on the Ravelry web site?

43 Kragar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:45:08am

re: #32 zombie

Do they have a picture of J. Edgar Hoover in drag with a feather boa on that Facebook page?

Rule 34: Generally accepted internet rule that states that pornography or sexually related material exists for any conceivable subject.

44 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:45:16am

re: #29 midwestgak

I agree. Haven't and never will look into Facebook or Twitter. Scary. There is such a thing as too much information.

I enjoy FB. I've reconnected with a lot of old friends and classmates. But I'm selective about what I post, especially pictures of my family. For example, when my daughter got a job, I didn't post the name of the organization on FB, here, or anywhere else. You just have to use common sense.

45 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:45:48am
46 Dianna  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:46:07am

re: #26 Kosh's Shadow

Well, her husband should now be out of a job.

And she'll probably somehow think that's his fault.

47 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:46:09am

re: #5 SixDegrees

This may be overreaching a bit. If you were to judge me by my brother-in-law...well, let's just say it isn't a fair association to make. I didn't marry him; I married his sister.

Damn brother-in-law! I'll bet he doesn't return loaned tools, either.

48 J.S.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:46:28am

Yet another example of British "Intelligence" in operation?

//

49 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:48:24am

Speaking of in-laws, my sister moved back into town, and brought us all the flu as a gift. It's a weird flu, though, it seems to like guys more than gals. Except for my poor other sister, whose twin baby girls got it at the same time as her 3 year-old son. (Three kids throwing up, ages 3, 1 and 1.)

50 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:48:28am

re: #48 J.S.

Yet another example of British "Intelligence" in operation?

//

What happened to them? They kept the secret of breaking the Enigma for 30 years or so, and now they can't keep something secret 30 seconds.

51 poteen  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:48:43am

re: #17 VioletTiger

The wife of Britain’s new’s MI6 foreign intelligence chief, Sir John Sawers, published intimate photos and family details on Facebook.

I hope he wasn't planning to tell his wife any state secrets./

He'll save those for his mistress. It is afterall Great Britain..//

52 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:48:51am

Super Genius.

53 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:48:57am

re: #47 Ward Cleaver

Damn brother-in-law! I'll bet he doesn't return loaned tools, either.

The problem is, there's usually not much left to return.

He borrowed my backpacking tent once. Returned it, neatly rolled and bagged, and assured me that it had been dry when he packaged it. When I opened it a few months later for my own use, I discovered that he (or someone) had puked in it and never bothered to mention it, or clean it up.

54 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:49:21am

Hello Lizards! It's sunny and rather nice today in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

So, the way MI-6 or 5, or whatever, works. . do you think there is the slightest chance this breech on Facebook was planned?

I still don't get Facebook.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

55 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:49:21am

re: #33 capitalist piglet

Unicorn pee is sterile, and it tastes like lemonade.

Don't ask me how I know that.


And their poop tastes like rainbow sherbert.

56 Dianna  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:49:48am

re: #53 SixDegrees

The problem is, there's usually not much left to return.

He borrowed my backpacking tent once. Returned it, neatly rolled and bagged, and assured me that it had been dry when he packaged it. When I opened it a few months later for my own use, I discovered that he (or someone) had puked in it and never bothered to mention it, or clean it up.

I'm surprised you didn't smell it, even rolled and bagged.

Yucky and rude.

57 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:49:56am

re: #52 Ben Hur

Super Genius.

I'm going to have that printed on my next set of business card as a title.

58 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:49:57am

re: #49 EmmmieG

Speaking of in-laws, my sister moved back into town, and brought us all the flu as a gift. It's a weird flu, though, it seems to like guys more than gals. Except for my poor other sister, whose twin baby girls got it at the same time as her 3 year-old son. (Three kids throwing up, ages 3, 1 and 1.)

Oh noes! I hope all recovered quickly.

59 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:50:04am

re: #48 J.S.

Yet another example of British "Intelligence" in operation?

//

But we probably shouldn't be making any comparisons with our own efficient, highly effective, and leak-proof CIA.

60 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:50:32am

This, from the previous thread makes me wonder.
Shug, are you the new British intelligence chief?
///

61 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:51:00am

re: #58 Bobblehead

Oh noes! I hope all recovered quickly.

They're better now. But now Grandma and one of my boys has it. I am hoping we could all get it and be done quickly.

62 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:51:02am

re: #51 poteen

He'll save those for his mistress. It is afterall Great Britain..//

Mistress or gay lover? The British do love their queens.

63 Dianna  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:51:10am

re: #59 Son of the Black Dog

But we probably shouldn't be making any comparisons with our own efficient, highly effective, and leak-proof CIA.

Or asking about the skills of our own media. Granted, it's a tabloid, and it cares about nothing but scandal, but still...

64 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:51:10am

re: #53 SixDegrees

The problem is, there's usually not much left to return.

He borrowed my backpacking tent once. Returned it, neatly rolled and bagged, and assured me that it had been dry when he packaged it. When I opened it a few months later for my own use, I discovered that he (or someone) had puked in it and never bothered to mention it, or clean it up.

Damn.

65 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:51:35am

re: #55 RunningBare

And their poop tastes like rainbow sherbert.

And looks like Rainbow Skittles.

66 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:51:40am

re: #46 Dianna

And she'll probably somehow think that's his fault.

Or, if she's turned like her brother, she might blame it on the Juice.

67 alegrias  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:51:46am

re: #54 ggt

Hello Lizards! It's sunny and rather nice today in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

So, the way MI-6 or 5, or whatever, works. . do you think there is the slightest chance this breech on Facebook was planned?

I still don't get Facebook.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

* * * *
On the Open thread we were discussing President Obama having breakfast with Pooty-Poot Putin tomorrow. Some wiser lizard said it was comrade Putin who would be having Pres. Obama for breakast.

The Obama-Medvedev press conference was a love-fest, one way mostly, guess who's getting tingly at being back in the USSR?

68 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:51:49am

re: #42 Bobblehead

Completely OT
I just noticed your avatar. I see you're a knitter. Are you in any groups on the Ravelry web site?

I drop by here from time to time, and stay in touch with others through Knitter's Review, but nothing on Ravelry. I'll have to check it out!

69 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:52:06am

re: #56 Dianna

I'm surprised you didn't smell it, even rolled and bagged.

Yucky and rude.


My father had someone once return a gun loaded. (Actually, there was just one bullet in the chamber, which is why it was missed.) As Dad was cleaning it, having taken the man's word for it, it discharged and missed my brother's head by a few feet. Dad left the bullet in the ceiling as a reminder to himself.

70 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:52:09am

re: #64 Ward Cleaver

Damn.

I think I would have bought a new one, then taken the old, disgusting one over to his house and put it and bill for the new on his front door step.

71 bobbuck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:52:11am

Having a nutty brother-in-law isn't a fault. Ask my sister-in-law.

72 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:52:26am

re: #36 FrogMarch

Exactly. If you want to communicate with friends and family - there's this thing called e-mail. It's a bit more private.

And a phone call and less popular these days, snail mail.

73 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:52:32am

re: #65 Cygnus

And looks like Rainbow Skittles.


That's it. I'm making Unicorn Poop Cookies when I get home.

74 JustABill  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:53:10am

Yes, but how many links would it take to connect him to Kevin Bacon?

75 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:53:24am

re: #56 Dianna

I'm surprised you didn't smell it, even rolled and bagged.

Yucky and rude.

I suspect the waterproof floor wrapped around the contents had something to do with masking the odor. It was an excellent tent, before he got hold of it.

I always get a chuckle out of The Simpson's episode where Marge is admonishing Homer not to drink at the party they're about to go to:

Homer: Why not?

Marge: Remember what happened at the Hibbert's Christmas party last year?

Homer: (Long pause) No.

Marge: You threw up in their laundry hamper.

76 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:53:26am

re: #67 alegrias

* * * *
On the Open thread we were discussing President Obama having breakfast with Pooty-Poot Putin tomorrow. Some wiser lizard said it was comrade Putin who would be having Pres. Obama for breakast.

The Obama-Medvedev press conference was a love-fest, one way mostly, guess who's getting tingly at being back in the USSR?

Has Putin given him any of those looks that Netanyahu did? The "WTF? how did they elect you?" looks.

77 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:53:36am

People are learning the hard way about internet security. It's not always such a great idea to post pictures, or discuss too much about yourself, as it could lead to trouble. Sloppy. You'd think people concerned about their anonymity would be more careful.

78 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:53:42am

re: #56 Dianna

I'm surprised you didn't smell it, even rolled and bagged.

Yucky and rude.

Next time you visit him, throw a dead fish under his car seat, a la 'Grumpy Old Men'. Revenge is sweet.

79 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:54:12am

re: #37 EmmmieG

Disagree. While there is a thing as too much information, I have been able to get back in touch with old friends. I found out about a death that way. Then again, I think all of my friends chose the private option.

I don't consider posting a death as "intimate." Glad you got back in touch with old friends.

80 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:54:27am

re: #78 Cygnus

Next time you visit him, throw a dead fish under his car seat, a la 'Grumpy Old Men'. Revenge is sweet.

In the heater vent works too. I've heard. Allegedly. Sources say.

81 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:54:34am

re: #10 midwestgak

Why does anyone put "intimate" photos or anything else on the internet?

Hi gal, turnspawn explained facebook to me this weekend, I didn't really know that much about it. We were playing with his Iphone and he showed me how it works. It seems pretty cool. I think I'll join, but I won't be nearly as stupid as the wife. Just curious, are you on it? What about you other lizards, should turn join?

82 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:54:58am

re: #35 CIA Reject

Not to worry- unicorn pee cures cancer.

/I thought everybody knew that...

But the eeville Zionist blockade prevents the helpless Gazans from importing their valuable supply of unicorn pee (which also makes excellent rocket fuel)

83 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:55:08am

re: #73 RunningBare

That's it. I'm making Unicorn Poop Cookies when I get home.

Just make sure you use the poop from female unicorns. The male unicorn poop is a highly flammable, clean burning, renewable energy source that will soon replace all those yucky fossil fuels.

But it doesn't make good cookies...

84 poteen  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:55:08am

re: #62 Kosh's Shadow

Mistress or gay lover? The British do love their queens.

God save the Queen!

85 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:55:10am

re: #67 alegrias

* * * *
On the Open thread we were discussing President Obama having breakfast with Pooty-Poot Putin tomorrow. Some wiser lizard said it was comrade Putin who would be having Pres. Obama for breakast.

The Obama-Medvedev press conference was a love-fest, one way mostly, guess who's getting tingly at being back in the USSR?

Well, Obama wants to turn the US into the USSR.

86 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:55:22am

I have a Facebook page with nothing on it. The only reason I ever log on is because I get an email that someone wants to be my friend. I add them and read their page and log-off.

I just don't get it.

87 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:55:37am

But does his brother in law deny the Looming Man Made Global Warming Catastrophe?

Holocaust Denial is a bit of a misdemeanor in the UK these days. The tern "Denier" no longer applies to denying the attempted eradication of European Jews in the 20th century.

Just take a look at what "denier" returns from google.

Meanwhile, global surface temps are at "normal" right now, yet we have more CO2 in the atmosphere than at any time since the industrial revolution, let alone being higher than at any time that the temperature "norm" was established.

88 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:55:44am

re: #73 RunningBare

That's it. I'm making Unicorn Poop Cookies when I get home.

LOLOL!
And some of Mike's Hard Unicorn Pee to wash them down!

89 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:55:45am

re: #80 RunningBare

In the heater vent works too. I've heard. Allegedly. Sources say.

Limburger, or gorgonzola is best for that. Especially if it has a little time to...ripen.

90 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:55:53am

My cheapskate brother in law informed me the other day that The jooos caused 9/11.

91 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:56:03am

re: #78 Cygnus

Next time you visit him, throw a dead fish under his car seat, a la 'Grumpy Old Men'. Revenge is sweet.

Not sure he'd notice. You've never seen his car.

92 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:56:07am

re: #83 CIA Reject

Just make sure you use the poop from female unicorns. The male unicorn poop is a highly flammable, clean burning, renewable energy source that will soon replace all those yucky fossil fuels.

But it doesn't make good cookies...

Also, FTR, no matter how much they beg, whine, and cry, never ever ever play leapfrog with a unicorn.

93 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:56:16am

re: #29 midwestgak

Well I guess that answers my question. Why not?

94 SummerSong  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:56:24am

re: #70 ggt

I think I would have bought a new one, then taken the old, disgusting one over to his house and put it and bill for the new on his front door step.

Nah, then you have done all the work. Tell him to come pick it up, clean it up and deliver it back to you. He won't want to clean it, so he'll have to go buy the new one and deliver it. That's what I would do.

95 VioletTiger  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:56:24am

A good rule of thumb--If you would be embarrassed to see it in the newspaper, don't post it on-line.

96 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:56:27am

re: #54 ggt

Hey {ggt}. Nice weather today. You doing okay?

97 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:56:33am

re: #77 Sharmuta

People are learning the hard way about internet security. It's not always such a great idea to post pictures, or discuss too much about yourself, as it could lead to trouble. Sloppy. You'd think people concerned about their anonymity would be more careful.

Maybe I should offer myself as a consultant to MI6.

I spent 2 years removing all photos of me and all references to my personal life off the internet. I went to great effort to achieve this. You'd think MI6's chief would understand what even a random blogger understands: personal stuff on the Web will ALWAYS be discovered.

98 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:56:59am

re: #95 VioletTiger

A good rule of thumb--If you would be embarrassed to see it in the newspaper, don't post it on-line.

Ding ding ding. Winner!

Except that I would add: the newspaper your grandmother reads.

99 anchors_aweigh  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:57:10am

I am not buying the holocaust-denier link based on the friend of the brother-in-law relationship. Guilt by association, so far.

His wife has a Facebook page? I doubt that she is privvy to any state secrets, but that does pose an issue with regards to his own personal protection and black-mail exposure.

As my father used to say "So what?"

100 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:57:28am

re: #87 karmic_inquisitor

But does his brother in law deny the Looming Man Made Global Warming Catastrophe?

Holocaust Denial is a bit of a misdemeanor in the UK these days. The tern "Denier" no longer applies to denying the attempted eradication of European Jews in the 20th century.

Just take a look at what "denier" returns from google.

Meanwhile, global surface temps are at "normal" right now, yet we have more CO2 in the atmosphere than at any time since the industrial revolution, let alone being higher than at any time that the temperature "norm" was established.

denier: a small french coin of little value.


well . . .

101 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:57:31am

re: #86 ggt

I have a Facebook page with nothing on it. The only reason I ever log on is because I get an email that someone wants to be my friend. I add them and read their page and log-off.

I just don't get it.

Too many people want to be famous, with fans hanging on their every word and deed. Facebook gives them the illusion that people actually care about everything they post there.

102 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:57:59am

re: #92 RunningBare

Ouch!

103 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:58:21am

re: #94 SummerSong

Nah, then you have done all the work. Tell him to come pick it up, clean it up and deliver it back to you. He won't want to clean it, so he'll have to go buy the new one and deliver it. That's what I would do.


Can you depend on him to do that before Christmas?

104 Gella  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:58:33am

re: #86 ggt

I have a Facebook page with nothing on it. The only reason I ever log on is because I get an email that someone wants to be my friend. I add them and read their page and log-off.

I just don't get it.

facebook is not that bad compare to twitter, its txt msg to the whole world

105 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:58:43am

re: #89 BlueCanuck

Limburger, or gorgonzola is best for that. Especially if it has a little time to...ripen.

Limberger's smell is due to the bacteria it is made with, the same kind that gives us BO.
(From Modern Marvels, on cheese.)

106 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:58:47am

'Morning, all - hope everyone had a fabulous Independence Day!

On this topic, first of all: Stupid woman and her Facebook chatter. For crying out loud, she's married to someone in Intelligence! What a dumbass.

The second "scandalous" part, however, is dubious at best. The BIL is an "associate" of some known denier? Bit of a stretch to tar them with that brush. I'll bet if I dug into some of my own relationships with such a tenuous connection - people known by in-laws - I'd probably find some interesting or otherwise unsavory aspects.

By FAR, the worst part is her Facebook indiscretion.

107 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:58:55am

re: #96 midwestgak

Hey {ggt}. Nice weather today. You doing okay?

Yeah, getting over the sinus infection from h@ll.

thanks for asking! You?

108 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:59:11am

re: #90 Shug

My cheapskate brother in law informed me the other day that The jooos caused 9/11.

Are you the new British intelligence chief?
///

109 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:59:17am

re: #73 RunningBare

That's it. I'm making Unicorn Poop Cookies when I get home.

I just looked for a Barack Obama cookie cutter (bing search - Obama, cookie cutter) for you, and I can't believe what I just saw. What is the point of this (second row, third from the left), do you suppose?

[Link: www.bing.com...]

110 Dianna  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:59:34am

re: #69 EmmmieG

My father had someone once return a gun loaded. (Actually, there was just one bullet in the chamber, which is why it was missed.) As Dad was cleaning it, having taken the man's word for it, it discharged and missed my brother's head by a few feet. Dad left the bullet in the ceiling as a reminder to himself.

I obsessively check all weapons, because I've heard enough stories like that. Eeep!

111 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:59:46am

re: #101 Kosh's Shadow

Too many people want to be famous, with fans hanging on their every word and deed. Facebook gives them the illusion that people actually care about everything they post there.

ah!

112 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:59:46am

re: #90 Shug

My cheapskate brother in law informed me the other day that The jooos caused 9/11.

Heh... my SIL told me that the U.S. should get out of Israel.

I think I just said "Huh?"

113 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:59:47am

re: #86 ggt

I have a Facebook page with nothing on it. The only reason I ever log on is because I get an email that someone wants to be my friend. I add them and read their page and log-off.

I just don't get it.

Actually, I don't get it either. I've had a Facebook account since shortly after it first appeared, and I never have been able to access what might be termed "content" on Facebook. The site is just a blank wall to me -- I've never seen a picture or read anything about anyone. I've tried several times to figure out how it works, but failed every time. Every "profile" I ever see is likes yours and mine - just blank. I don't understand how to "get inside" people's profiles, nor do I know how you go about finding people that have profiles with anything on them.

As far as my experience is concerned, they might as well call it "Faceless Book."

114 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:00:00am

Speaking of "intimate" photos, check out the story about the singer Rhianna, on the right-hand column at the Sawers story link, and the pictures of her. Good grief.

115 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:00:00am

re: #95 VioletTiger

A good rule of thumb--If you would be embarrassed to see it in the newspaper, don't post it on-line.

But too many people look at the "celebrity news" as the standard of what is considered not embarrassing.

116 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:00:03am

re: #28 buzzsawmonkey

we can all skinny dip in the chocolate river

There's something very Folsom Street about that image.

Eeesh, now I'll never be able to watch Willy Wonka again...

117 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:00:18am

re: #98 EmmmieG

Ding ding ding. Winner!

Except that I would add: the newspaper your grandmother reads.

I tell folks not to type anything into a computer that they wouldn't want their grandchildren to read off a billboard by the highway.

/not that I want some of my LGF comments displayed

118 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:00:30am
119 SummerSong  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:01:05am

re: #103 ggt

Can you depend on him to do that before Christmas?


I don't know the guy, just saying how I would handle it. Maybe call the wife instead of the BIL and give a deadline for it to be done? She can badger him to do it. See you have to delegate these things! LOL

120 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:01:06am

re: #110 Dianna

I obsessively check all weapons, because I've heard enough stories like that. Eeep!

Yeah, his point in telling us this story is that you never take anyone's word for it. Gun safety is 100% your own responsibility.

121 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:01:33am

re: #68 scottishbuzzsaw

I drop by here from time to time, and stay in touch with others through Knitter's Review, but nothing on Ravelry. I'll have to check it out!

You must join Ravelry. It is simply the best. I can't say enough wonderful things about it.
[Link: www.ravelry.com...]

122 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:01:34am

re: #113 zombie

Actually, I don't get it either. I've had a Facebook account since shortly after it first appeared, and I never have been able to access what might be termed "content" on Facebook. The site is just a blank wall to me -- I've never seen a picture or read anything about anyone. I've tried several times to figure out how it works, but failed every time. Every "profile" I ever see is likes yours and mine - just blank. I don't understand how to "get inside" people's profiles, nor do I know how you go about finding people that have profiles with anything on them.

As far as my experience is concerned, they might as well call it "Faceless Book."

I find it to be generally boring. Lots of stupid things like, "what kind of musical instrument are you?", or something like that. Yawn.

123 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:01:35am

re: #109 capitalist piglet

I just looked for a Barack Obama cookie cutter (bing search - Obama, cookie cutter) for you, and I can't believe what I just saw. What is the point of this (second row, third from the left), do you suppose?

[Link: www.bing.com...]

*shakes head, unsure whether he really wants to know*

124 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:01:36am
125 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:02:08am

re: #5 SixDegrees

This may be overreaching a bit. If you were to judge me by my brother-in-law...well, let's just say it isn't a fair association to make. I didn't marry him; I married his sister.

Ditto. My sister-in-law is an obnoxious bitch. I wouldn't want that to affect how people see me or my job qualifications.

126 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:02:45am

re: #113 zombie

Actually, I don't get it either. I've had a Facebook account since shortly after it first appeared, and I never have been able to access what might be termed "content" on Facebook. The site is just a blank wall to me -- I've never seen a picture or read anything about anyone. I've tried several times to figure out how it works, but failed every time. Every "profile" I ever see is likes yours and mine - just blank. I don't understand how to "get inside" people's profiles, nor do I know how you go about finding people that have profiles with anything on them.

As far as my experience is concerned, they might as well call it "Faceless Book."

I'll sign-on and find people have sent me "mother's day roses" and other such things. All of which are little icons that can appear on my screen --I guess it shows how popular I am? It all seems very High School to me.


I think I'd see more purpose for it if I had a business or an "cause" I was working. I can see it would be very useful for networking those situations. But, I really don't want to know about people from high school or their kids.

127 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:03:24am

re: #123 RunningBare

*shakes head, unsure whether he really wants to know*

I'm pretty sure a conservative didn't think of that. I wonder why it comes up in an Obama/cookie cutter search.

128 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:04:03am

I believe it was a joke from then "Czechoslovakia" that went something like this:

Comrade #1: "Are the Soviets our friends or our brothers?"

Comrade #2: "They are our brothers, comrade!"

Comrade #1: "How so?"

Comrade #2: "Because in life you get to choose your friends but not your family."

129 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:04:04am

re: #97 zombie

Maybe I should offer myself as a consultant to MI6.

I spent 2 years removing all photos of me and all references to my personal life off the internet. I went to great effort to achieve this. You'd think MI6's chief would understand what even a random blogger understands: personal stuff on the Web will ALWAYS be discovered.

Indeed...

130 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:04:06am

Sorry Charles, but the security breach is the worst thing about this whole mess. It suggests that no one in the British government did a basic check of the guy on the Internet to see if any bad information might be out there. It seems that the vetting candidates problem isn't solely that of Obama's.

It also shows the problems that permeate social contact websites; that people don't understand how information gets out there and what kind of damage can be done.

The tangential aspect that he's tied to David Irving is despicable, but Holocaust denial has become far more accepted across Europe; it's tied to anti-Semitism, which has been on the upswing in Europe for some time.

Moreover, the article downplays the fact that Irving is a Holocaust denier and anti-Semite, and instead gives him a veneer of legitimacy by claiming he's a revisionist historian, which is like putting lipstick on a pig. Sorry, but he's a foul anti-Semite who engages in Holocaust revisionism so as to further his agenda.

131 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:04:06am

re: #126 ggt

I'll sign-on and find people have sent me "mother's day roses" and other such things. All of which are little icons that can appear on my screen --I guess it shows how popular I am? It all seems very High School to me.


I think I'd see more purpose for it if I had a business or an "cause" I was working. I can see it would be very useful for networking those situations. But, I really don't want to know about people from high school or their kids.


Linked In works better for the business/networking, AFAIC.

132 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:04:25am

re: #122 Ward Cleaver

I find it to be generally boring. Lots of stupid things like, "what kind of musical instrument are you?", or something like that. Yawn.

But how do you see that? By what mechanism or series of steps do you access the content -- words or pictures? I've never even gotten to the "what kind of musical instrument are you?" level.

133 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:04:29am

re: #127 capitalist piglet

I'm pretty sure a conservative didn't think of that. I wonder why it comes up in an Obama/cookie cutter search.


Cuz he eats babies?

134 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:04:30am

re: #124 buzzsawmonkey

No, no--you're thinking of the pron version, Willy's Wang.

No, no, no, it was called Wonka's Willy.

/

135 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:05:14am

re: #81 turn

Hi gal, turnspawn explained facebook to me this weekend, I didn't really know that much about it. We were playing with his Iphone and he showed me how it works. It seems pretty cool. I think I'll join, but I won't be nearly as stupid as the wife. Just curious, are you on it? What about you other lizards, should turn join?

I'm not interested in joining Facebook. I'm one of those people who learn lessons from making stupid mistakes first. Avoiding unknown internet sites is my line of defense.

136 JHW  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:05:25am

re: #118 buzzsawmonkey

This one buzz? Alfred Hitchcock on the Holocaust

137 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:05:32am

re: #109 capitalist piglet

I just looked for a Barack Obama cookie cutter (bing search - Obama, cookie cutter) for you, and I can't believe what I just saw. What is the point of this (second row, third from the left), do you suppose?

[Link: www.bing.com...]

The Obama/Biden stamp (row 13 or so) makes me wonder if anybody's seen the Obamessiah's image on a piece of toast or a burrito yet.

138 funky chicken  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:05:34am

re: #5 SixDegrees

This may be overreaching a bit. If you were to judge me by my brother-in-law...well, let's just say it isn't a fair association to make. I didn't marry him; I married his sister.

My husband's got some lowlife relatives, but I don't take them on vacation with us...

139 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:05:56am
140 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:06:00am

re: #132 zombie

But how do you see that? By what mechanism or series of steps do you access the content -- words or pictures? I've never even gotten to the "what kind of musical instrument are you?" level.

Step 1: Have you "friended" people?

Step 2: Click on their name. This takes you to their page, wherein you can click on their pictures, or see what people are saying to them.

141 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:06:33am

re: #101 Kosh's Shadow

Too many people want to be famous, with fans hanging on their every word and deed. Facebook gives them the illusion that people actually care about everything they post there.

Exactly!

142 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:07:05am

re: #113 zombie

That gives me an idea - let's start a site called "farcebook".

All profiles of those on the left and right who want to dictate their morality via our government.

143 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:07:09am

re: #109 capitalist piglet

I just looked for a Barack Obama cookie cutter (bing search - Obama, cookie cutter) for you, and I can't believe what I just saw. What is the point of this (second row, third from the left), do you suppose?

[Link: www.bing.com...]

Which one? I guess the position depends upon your screen resolution.

144 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:07:31am

re: #116 Throbert McGee

Eeesh, now I'll never be able to watch Willy Wonka again...

Come to think of it, Veruca Salt makes a pretty good allegory for contemporary gay politics:

♫♪
I want the world -- I want the whole world!
I want to wear it with
Braids in my hair and
I don't want to share it!
Give it to me, now!
I want a party with roomfuls of laughter --
Ten thousand tons of ice cream!
And if I don't get the things I am after,
I'm. Going. To. Screeeaaam...
Don't care how --
I want it NOW!
♫♪

145 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:07:36am

re: #132 zombie

But how do you see that? By what mechanism or series of steps do you access the content -- words or pictures? I've never even gotten to the "what kind of musical instrument are you?" level.

I don't know zom, I just sign-on and it's there. I don't really go beyond that first page, so I don't know what else I could be doing. I'd rather spend my time figuring out LGF.

146 funky chicken  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:08:17am

re: #130 lawhawk

The idiot wife did just put all their friends at risk, and the fact that she had their home address on facebook is pretty shocking. He never once had a little chat with her about what info is acceptable to put on the internet? I wonder if she had their kids' full names and schools, etc on there as well?

147 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:08:23am

re: #121 Bobblehead

You must join Ravelry. It is simply the best. I can't say enough wonderful things about it.
[Link: www.ravelry.com...]

To be honest, I'm not much of a joiner. Coincidently, my son recently sent an invitation to join his Facebook thingy and I still haven't been able to force myself. His mother is a private, private soul! ;>)

148 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:08:24am

re: #113 zombie

Actually, I don't get it either. I've had a Facebook account since shortly after it first appeared, and I never have been able to access what might be termed "content" on Facebook.

My wife is on Facebook so that I don't have to be.

149 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:08:27am

re: #134 OldLineTexan

No, no, no, it was called Wonka's Willy.

/

Willy and his Oompa-Loompas Go Oompa

150 bloodnok  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:08:53am

re: #129 Sharmuta

Indeed...

Hiya. Sharm! How are you today? Good, I hope.

151 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:09:10am

re: #142 karmic_inquisitor

I like the farcebook idea. But maybe it could be a site for poseurs.

152 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:09:37am

re: #143 Ward Cleaver

Which one? I guess the position depends upon your screen resolution.

It does. I was referring to the "fetus cookies".

153 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:09:49am

re: #135 midwestgak

I'm not interested in joining Facebook. I'm one of those people who learn lessons from making stupid mistakes first. Avoiding unknown internet sites is my line of defense.

I know what you mean. Plus I would probably be asked to be a friend by some of my old classmates, many of which I would probably just end up offending by not offering it in return.

154 J.S.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:09:54am

re: #99 anchors_aweigh

there were family photos posted on FaceBook, showing the family cavorting with Lady Sawers’ half-brother, Hugo Haig-Thomas. Go look up on Wiki David Irving's page...

155 Long Nics are Looonnng  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:10:05am

I have a cousin who is an asshole.

156 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:10:15am

re: #149 Cygnus

Willy and his Oompa-Loompas Go Oompa

There were two midgets in Vegas one weekend. They weren't really winning anything and soon became bored. One midget said to the other, "Why don't we get a couple of prostitutes for the night?" "Good idea!" The other one said.

So, they got their prostitutes and went into their hotels rooms. One of the midgets was getting frustrated, so he kicked the girl out. Since he had nothing better to do, he decided to eavesdrop on his friend.

He took a glass, and put it up to the wall. He heard, "One, two, three, Uh! One, two, three, Uh!" over and over again.

The next day, the two midgets were at the bar downstairs from the hotel. The on midget asked, "So, how was it last night?" The other replied, "Aww, the bitch wasn't doing anything for me, so I kicked her out. But I over heard you guys last night; sounded like you were having a lot of fun."

The other replied, "Man, are you kidding! I couldn't even get on top of the bed!"

157 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:10:19am

re: #134 OldLineTexan

No, no, no, it was called Wonka's Willy.

"Willy Wanker's Fudge Factory." Real movie.

/or so I heard

158 Racer X  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:10:20am

Brother-in-law? I'm more concerned about his dim-bulb of a wife.

Hello? Your husband is now head of MI6. She shouldn't even be on Facebook, let alone posting sensitive info.

159 VioletTiger  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:10:33am

re: #152 capitalist piglet

It does. I was referring to the "fetus cookies".


That was odd, wasn't it?

160 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:10:35am

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have a cousin who is an asshole.

I have been called one, by many people. ;)

161 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:10:52am

re: #134 OldLineTexan

No, no, no, it was called Wonka's Willy.

/

You're misremembering -- the pr0n version was Willy Wanker and the Cock-lick Factory.

162 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:11:19am

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have a cousin who is an asshole.

I bet that he doesn't get invited to very many family get-togethers. Unless he bring his own toilet paper, of course. ///

163 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:11:19am

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have a cousin who is an asshole.

I thought we agreed not to discuss our familial ties here.

164 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:11:28am

re: #136 JHW

This one buzz? Alfred Hitchcock on the Holocaust

I don't think I can watch that. I did email it on tho.

165 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:11:41am

re: #150 bloodnok

Hi, Nok. I'm well and hope you are too. Facebook seems to be good at outing people. First Spencer joining a genocidal group, and now this.

166 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:12:18am

Rep. Peter King calls Jacko a pervert and a lowlife

a politician who speaks his mind, right or wrong, is a rare find these days

167 Macker  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:12:34am

re: #157 JamesTKirk

You heard right.

168 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:12:40am

re: #161 Throbert McGee

You're misremembering -- the pr0n version was Willy Wanker and the Cock-lick Factory.

Was it based on the movie, the book, or the pr0n adaptation "Charlie and the Great Ass Elevator"?

169 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:13:08am

re: #151 Sharmuta

I like the farcebook idea. But maybe it could be a site for poseurs.

Heh -

Looks like someone has already run with the "farcebook" idea:

Use farcebook to...

* Keep tabs on your enemies
* Develop common hatreds
* Waste countless hours
* Organize coups, insurrections and hostile takeovers

That sounds very appealing to me ...

170 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:13:13am

re: #159 VioletTiger

That was odd, wasn't it?

To put it mildly. What kind of mind comes up with something like that?

171 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:13:36am

re: #158 Racer X

Brother-in-law? I'm more concerned about his dim-bulb of a wife.

Hello? Your husband is now head of MI6. She shouldn't even be on Facebook, let alone posting sensitive info.

The fact that these familial associations and friendships is exposed online could open up the head of MI6 to extortion, threats, etc., that undermine his ability to do his job.

For the longest time, Israel maintained that the head of the Mossad was secret. His or her identity was always a well guarded secret until he or she was out of that position. There's a reason for doing that it so as to protect national secrets and national security, though for the same reason it makes it more difficult to hold such entities responsible for their actions.

The actions by this guy's wife put all too many people needlessly at risk.

172 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:13:40am

My siblings cannot understand why I won't post my real birthday on the site. While it is public knowledge, nevertheless it is also one of the security "quick checks," so my facebook birthday is off. (I got real grief from my nice, but sarcastic, s-i-l because I had also changed the year in my favor.)

173 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:13:50am

US lurching towards 'debt explosion' with long-term interest rates on course to double
The US economy is lurching towards crisis with long-term interest rates on course to double, crippling the country’s ability to pay its debts and potentially plunging it into another recession, according to a study by the US’s own central bank
By Philip Aldrick, Banking Editor
Published: 5:44AM BST 06 Jul 2009

In a 2003 paper, Thomas Laubach, the US Federal Reserve’s senior economist, calculated the impact on long-term interest rates of rising fiscal deficits and soaring national debt. Applying his assumptions to the recent spike in the US fiscal deficit and national debt, long-term interests rates will double from their current 3.5pc.

The impact would be devastating by making it punitively expensive to finance national borrowings and leading to what Tim Congdon, founder of Lombard Street Research, called a “debt explosion”. Mr Laubach’s study has implications for the UK, too, as public debt is soaring. A US crisis would have implications for the rest of the world, in any case.

Using historical examples for his paper, New Evidence on the Interest Rate Effects of Budget Deficits and Debt, Mr Laubach came to the conclusion that “a percentage point increase in the projected deficit-to-GDP ratio raises the 10-year bond rate expected to prevail five years into the future by 20 to 40 basis points, a typical estimate is about 25 basis points”.

The US deficit has blown out from 3pc to 13.5pc in the past year but long-term rates are largely unchanged. Assuming Mr Laubach’s “typical estimate”, long-term rates have to climb 2.5 percentage points.

174 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:13:56am

re: #165 Sharmuta

Hi, Nok. I'm well and hope you are too. Facebook seems to be good at outing people. First Spencer joining a genocidal group, and now this.

So you're saying Obama hates America and white people?

/fair is fair
/20 years in the pews vs. a vacation

175 John Neverbend  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:14:12am

I'm not sure what to make of this. It's either the greatest act of deception since Operation Bodyguard or a massive cock-up. Whatever the reason, it would seem to be wrong to argue that Sir John can be blackmailed, as what's left with which to blackmail him?

The association with the "shitorian" David Irving is not good, but I don't yet know if "C" is cut from the same cloth.

My suggestion would be that the government should say, "sorry mate, you've blown it," and find somebody else.

176 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:14:25am

re: #107 ggt

Yeah, getting over the sinus infection from h@ll.

thanks for asking! You?

Sinus infections hurt. Glad you're doing better.

I'm doing okay. Signed up with the state of Illinois job search thingy. The woman at the reception desk told me I could probably get work through a program that places the elderly (I'm 54) into part time, minimum wage jobs.

I am so motivated.///

177 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:14:26am
178 Long Nics are Looonnng  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:14:26am

re: #163 OldLineTexan

Don't worry. No foul. There are no "familial ties" with him... one of the "Backwoods Survivalist Mormons". (no offense to Mormons intended, but, flounce away if you must)

179 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:15:08am

re: #132 zombie

But how do you see that? By what mechanism or series of steps do you access the content -- words or pictures? I've never even gotten to the "what kind of musical instrument are you?" level.

I dunno. Friends/relatives of mine sign up on those things (the URLS show them as "apps"), then post about them.

There's one thing I'm learning from FB - I think my younger brother is turning into a moonbat.

180 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:15:21am

re: #169 karmic_inquisitor

I would use farcebook to describe my glamorous, exciting life and all the famous people I know.

Like um...um...I'll get back to you.

181 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:15:31am

re: #171 lawhawk

The fact that these familial associations and friendships is exposed online could open up the head of MI6 to extortion, threats, etc., that undermine his ability to do his job.

For the longest time, Israel maintained that the head of the Mossad was secret. His or her identity was always a well guarded secret until he or she was out of that position. There's a reason for doing that it so as to protect national secrets and national security, though for the same reason it makes it more difficult to hold such entities responsible for their actions.

The actions by this guy's wife put all too many people needlessly at risk.

The original "M"?

182 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:16:08am

re: #168 OldLineTexan

Was it based on the movie, the book, or the pr0n adaptation "Charlie and the Great Ass Elevator"?

You know, come to think of it, there was something odd about the Oompa Loompas...

183 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:16:10am

re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Was actually small joke, cousin.

/

184 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:16:11am

re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't worry. No foul. There are no "familial ties" with him... one of the "Backwoods Survivalist Mormons". (no offense to Mormons intended, but, flounce away if you must)


What's a Backwoods Survivalist Mormon?

185 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:16:14am

California’s Nightmare Will Kill Obamanomics: Kevin Hassett
Commentary by Kevin Hassett

July 6 (Bloomberg) -- Last week, we discovered that the state of California will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

With California mired in a budget crisis, largely the result of a political impasse that makes spending cuts and tax increases impossible, Controller John Chiang said the state planned to issue $3.3 billion in IOU’s in July alone. Instead of cash, those who do business with California will get slips of paper.

The California morass has Democrats in Washington trembling. The reason is simple. If Obama’s health-care plan passes, then we may well end up paying for it with federal slips of paper worth less than California’s. Obama has bet everything on passing health care this year. The publicity surrounding the California debt fiasco almost assures his resounding defeat.

It takes years and years to make a mess as terrible as the California debacle, but the recipe is simple. All that you need is two political parties that are always willing to offer easy government solutions for every need of the voters, but never willing to make the tough decisions necessary to finance the government largess that results. Voters will occasionally change their allegiance from one party to the other, but the bacchanal will continue regardless of the names on the office doors.

California has engaged in an orgy of spending, but, compared with our federal government, its legislators should feel chaste. The California deficit this year is now north of $26 billion. The U.S. federal deficit will be, according to the latest numbers, almost 70 times larger.

186 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:16:20am

re: #81 turn

Hi gal, turnspawn explained facebook to me this weekend, I didn't really know that much about it. We were playing with his Iphone and he showed me how it works. It seems pretty cool. I think I'll join, but I won't be nearly as stupid as the wife. Just curious, are you on it? What about you other lizards, should turn join?

I'm on it. So is Afrocity.

187 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:16:26am

re: #172 EmmmieG

My siblings cannot understand why I won't post my real birthday on the site. While it is public knowledge, nevertheless it is also one of the security "quick checks," so my facebook birthday is off. (I got real grief from my nice, but sarcastic, s-i-l because I had also changed the year in my favor.)

A database of birthday is a marketer's dream.

188 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:16:28am

re: #147 scottishbuzzsaw

To be honest, I'm not much of a joiner. Coincidently, my son recently sent an invitation to join his Facebook thingy and I still haven't been able to force myself. His mother is a private, private soul! ;>)

It's not that kind of site. Joining just makes all their wonderful resources available to you..patterns, new designers, yarn, tutorials, pictures of finished projects, etc. I can spend hours looking and reading. Hours that should be spent knitting but I can't help myself. So many creative people all over the world. It's fascinating.

189 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:16:52am

re: #182 lawhawk

You know, come to think of it, there was something odd about the Oompa Loompas...

You show me a secret factory full of little orange men, and I will show you a definite Facebook security issue.

/

190 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:16:52am

Any pictures of him frolicking with Ms. Moneypenny?

191 Long Nics are Looonnng  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:17:13am

re: #183 OldLineTexan

Oh, I know. But, really. Can't stand the guy. He'd make me look bad if I were ever nominated (which I am expecting any time)...

192 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:17:15am

re: #140 EmmmieG

Step 1: Have you "friended" people?

No. Who would I "friend"? And why would I do so? And how do you find out who to "friend"?

Step 2: Click on their name. This takes you to their page, wherein you can click on their pictures, or see what people are saying to them.

I have tried looking at people's "pages", but in no case was there anything to see on their pages -- a total absence of content. (Which is the way my page is -- also totally blank.) If someone were to look at my page, they would have nothing to see. I've always assumed there is some "inner level" where all the "stuff" is on other people's pages, but maybe I've only ever seen pages that were as blank as mine, and there is no deeper inner level.

If, by some miracle, you find yourself on someone's page that has "content" on it, can anybody click the pictures to see them? Or do you have to get permission from the page owner?

193 bloodnok  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:17:21am

re: #165 Sharmuta

Hi, Nok. I'm well and hope you are too. Facebook seems to be good at outing people. First Spencer joining a genocidal group, and now this.

Spencer getting caught was a thing of beauty, so for me Facebook is good for something. As the song goes, You Know Who Your Friends Are.

194 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:17:24am

re: #184 EmmmieG

What's a Backwoods Survivalist Mormon?

That's a Mormon that keeps a one-year supply of possums under his cot.

///

195 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:17:34am

re: #176 midwestgak

Sinus infections hurt. Glad you're doing better.

I'm doing okay. Signed up with the state of Illinois job search thingy. The woman at the reception desk told me I could probably get work through a program that places the elderly (I'm 54) into part time, minimum wage jobs.

I am so motivated.///

Time to start networking!

196 dahveed  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:17:37am

OT -

An income distribution study by the Tax Foundation:

New analysis of President Obama's Budget finds that he is targeting the nation's highest earners for greater income redistributions. By 2012, the federal government is scheduled to be redistributing an extra $79 billion from the top-earning 5 percent of American families, and $71 billion of that will be paid by the top-earning 1 percent of families.

"That's an additional $64,000 per family redistributed from the top-earning 1 percent," said the Tax Foundation's president Scott Hodge, "on top of the already substantial $368,000 that would have been redistributed from each family even without President Obama's new policies."

"Part of that change is higher taxes, and part is lower spending on items that benefit high-income people," said the study's lead author, Tax Foundation Senior Economist Gerald Prante.

The new study is No. 168 in the Tax Foundation Special Report series, titled, "How Much Does President Obama's Budget Redistribute Income?" by Prante and his co-author, Chief Economist Patrick Fleenor. It is the first in a projected series of reports based on the Tax Foundation's "fiscal incidence" model, a computer simulation of the U.S. fiscal system with an innovation: it measures the redistributive effects of both spending and tax policies. Thanks to numerous studies of tax laws by the Congressional Budget Office, the Joint Tax Committee and others, policymakers are well aware of how much money the tax system by itself redistributes from high- to middle- and low-income Americans. Now the Tax Foundation is measuring the redistributive effects of spending as well.

197 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:17:45am

re: #142 karmic_inquisitor

That gives me an idea - let's start a site called "farcebook".

All profiles of those on the left and right who want to dictate their morality via our government.

Do it!

198 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:17:45am

re: #177 Shug

Hitler He got things done, says Formula One chief Bernie Ecclestone

idiot

He and Max Mosley are both idiots. Mosley's father was a famous fascist in WWII England.

199 John Neverbend  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:18:07am

re: #177 Shug

Hitler He got things done, says Formula One chief Bernie Ecclestone

idiot

A wonderfully characteristic understatement from the Board of Deputies. "He (Ecclestone) says, 'Politics is not for me', and we are inclined to agree."

The JC is more forthright.

200 VioletTiger  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:18:31am

re: #173 FurryOldGuyJeans
The rebound from Obama's policies will be terrible. We are in for a world of hurt.

201 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:18:35am
202 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:18:49am

re: #122 Ward Cleaver

I find it to be generally boring. Lots of stupid things like, "what kind of musical instrument are you?", or something like that. Yawn.

Thanks Ward. I needed a giggle. Sounds teenagey.

203 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:19:01am

re: #192 zombie

If, by some miracle, you find yourself on someone's page that has "content" on it, can anybody click the pictures to see them? Or do you have to get permission from the page owner?

you can set the level as you see fit.
You can have your page, photos, etc visible to

everybody who has a FB account
only your network ( your city, state or region )
Friends of friends
friends only
nobody, or anybody that you choose.

204 Long Nics are Looonnng  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:19:13am

re: #194 OldLineTexan

Heh... He's the kind of guy that would survive, but has practiced his "taunting" as he watches people starve to death.

Are you picking up that I don't like the guy?

205 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:19:22am

re: #186 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm on it. So is Afrocity.

Curious, did it link you up with old classmates and do you use it much? Turnspawn said many people go nuts and constantly post intimate stuff about themselves, mine would probably be blank.

206 Optimizer  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:19:28am

re: #5 SixDegrees

This may be overreaching a bit. If you were to judge me by my brother-in-law...well, let's just say it isn't a fair association to make. I didn't marry him; I married his sister.

No kidding! I was at a family event with my brother-in-law (nice guy, BTW) last weekend. He's undoubtedly associated with numerous apocalyptic AGW types, but I hardly think that reflects on my own stance as a confirmed skeptic. I really don't even know the guy very well, but even if I did that wouldn't make any difference.

Heck, I see my sister at these things (his wife), and probably don't agree with her much on things political, either. I routinely go out to dinner with a Creationist homophobe, too, but I'm not on board with that either. That's my mother, BTW, but I don't necessarily apply some sort of "political test" for social occasions in general, regardless of whether they're family.

207 AuntAcid  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:19:55am

re: #190 Creeping Eruption

Any pictures of him frolicking with Ms. Moneypenny?

or a teenage waitress...

208 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:20:03am

re: #177 Shug

Hitler He got things done, says Formula One chief Bernie Ecclestone

idiot

WTF? Does he think he'll be in favor with the tyrant?

209 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:20:11am

re: #176 midwestgak

Sinus infections hurt. Glad you're doing better.

I'm doing okay. Signed up with the state of Illinois job search thingy. The woman at the reception desk told me I could probably get work through a program that places the elderly (I'm 54) into part time, minimum wage jobs.

I am so motivated.///

Back in 2002, I was unemployed, and to use the unemployment office's services, needed to take their seminar on how to use them. When they got to doing a computer search for jobs, they asked for a volunteer. I volunteered, told them I was a software engineer, and he asked for another person because he wanted to actually find some jobs in the search.
Things don't see as bad now, but I'm employed.

210 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:20:13am

re: #185 FurryOldGuyJeans

California’s Nightmare Will Kill Obamanomics: Kevin Hassett
Commentary by Kevin Hassett

I'd like to know what California has to show for all this:

California has engaged in an orgy of spending,/blockquote>

The only spending has been to bloat already obese pensions and perks for state workers and hangers-on.

The article makes is sound like we've actually gotten something for all the spent bucks!

211 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:20:50am

re: #192 zombie

Most people have private sites (unlike the Ditz we are talking about). To see their site, you have to be a friend. You send them a friend request, and they confirm or ignore you. (I've ignored exactly one person, because I only "friend" people who are actually real friends.) The terminology is a little misleading. It's more about approving who can see your site than popularity.

Once you have been confirmed, then you can see their site.

212 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:21:15am

I am having fun with farcebook.

I just made an enemy of myself:

Your foes
karmic - Karmic Inquisitor
You've been foes with karmic since 1 second ago
You hate yourself

213 Racer X  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:21:24am

I'm on Facebook. I've seen personal things on "Friends" pages that I wish I hadn't.

214 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:21:25am

re: #200 VioletTiger

The rebound from Obama's policies will be terrible. We are in for a world of hurt.

It took over a decade to correct Carter's mistakes, and yet his policies were relatively mild compared to what Obama is and will be proposing to be done to the US economy. The correction will be a long time in coming, if at all.

215 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:21:43am

re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh... He's the kind of guy that would survive, but has practiced his "taunting" as he watches people starve to death.

Are you picking up that I don't like the guy?


What. a. jerk.

216 Kragar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:21:57am

Social Networking sites seem to imply that I wish to be social and network with people, especially people I used to know. If I still wanted to know them, I would have kept in contact with them in the first place. They're nothing but an intrusion and distraction.

217 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:22:19am

All facebook invites, including those from my family, go right into the junk-mail folder to be deleted.

218 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:23:17am

facebook is perfect if you don't want to talk to people.
just snoop on their lives and leave a comment once in a while

the perfect non-commitment relationship in a world where human contact has devolved to tweets, facebook posts and text messages

219 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:23:26am

re: #202 midwestgak

Thanks Ward. I needed a giggle. Sounds teenagey.

But it's mostly for adults. MySpace is the teen hangout.

/still stupid

220 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:24:01am

re: #213 Racer X

I'm on Facebook. I've seen personal things on "Friends" pages that I wish I hadn't.

I'm on THE INTERNET. I've seen things that I wish I hadn't.

221 alegrias  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:24:14am

re: #76 ggt

Has Putin given him any of those looks that Netanyahu did? The "WTF? how did they elect you?" looks.

* * * *
Vladimir Putin would understand how ACORN works to elect community organizers, more than our democratic allies!

222 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:24:16am

I just made "pol pot" my icon on farcebook.

223 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:24:32am

The carnage ongoing in Chicago since the election is appalling, and is on a scale of the violence in Iraq and Afghanistan, yet American massacres are largely ignored by the Obama-obsessed media:

Bloody Weekend: 8 Dead, Dozens Wounded
4 Killed, 2 Dozen Or More Wounded In Just 6 Hours

CHICAGO (CBS) ― At least eight people were killed and some two dozen others were wounded over the weekend. Four of the victims lost their lives during a bloody six hours late Saturday and early Sunday.

Four of the victims lost their lives and at least 22 were wounded during a bloody six hours late Saturday and early Sunday, including an 8-year-old boy.

Violence was reported in every part of the city – with shootings and stabbings on the North, South and West sides.

224 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:24:32am

re: #218 Shug

I'll just stick with LGF, and post a comment about how I hope the Shug family is well.

225 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:24:35am

I don't see fetus cookies as any more problematic than gingerbread boys and girls.

226 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:24:36am

re: #205 turn

Curious, did it link you up with old classmates and do you use it much? Turnspawn said many people go nuts and constantly post intimate stuff about themselves, mine would probably be blank.

I've got just under 100 friends, and the majority are high school classmates. A few people post TMI, but you can set it so that you don't see their status on your home page (although you can still go to their page and see it if you want to). Mostly I post snarky comments, links to articles, and vital information about myself, such as "which nail polish color are you?"

227 albusteve  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:24:46am

heeere's ACORN!...coming to a town near you

[Link: newsrealblog.com...]

228 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:25:10am

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

At the time Shindler's List was released, the PBS affliate in Chicago showed home movies taken by Allied Troops as they liberated one of the camps. I saw all I needed at that point. I couldn't see Shindler's List and have yet to be able to go to the Holocaust Museum in D.C. Hubby and Kid have been twice.

229 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:25:18am

re: #224 Sharmuta

I'll just stick with LGF, and post a comment about how I hope the Shug family is well.


plus FB doesn't have karma.

shug jr is running now...he's 13 months old and wearing us out

230 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:25:36am

re: #227 albusteve

heeere's ACORN!...coming to a town near you

[Link: newsrealblog.com...]

Already here in WA State since 2004. We were at the forefront of stolen elections with that group.

231 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:25:36am

re: #203 Shug

you can set the level as you see fit.
You can have your page, photos, etc visible to

everybody who has a FB account
only your network ( your city, state or region )
Friends of friends
friends only
nobody, or anybody that you choose.

OK, here's how to solve my mystification:

Can someone here post a link to one of these legendary Facebook pages that actually has something to see on it? Maybe then I will understand, if I can actually see what one of them looks like. I've still never seen such a page, nor do I have the slightest idea how to access them or become aware of them.

232 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:25:40am

re: #216 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Social Networking sites seem to imply that I wish to be social and network with people, especially people I used to know. If I still wanted to know them, I would have kept in contact with them in the first place. They're nothing but an intrusion and distraction.

Classmates.com is the worst. I couldn't care less what my high school classmates are up to. Gah! I do know that some of them were grandparents before age 40. Scary.

233 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:25:56am

re: #153 turn

I know what you mean. Plus I would probably be asked to be a friend by some of my old classmates, many of which I would probably just end up offending by not offering it in return.

You bring up a good point. I guess it's a "two-way street" kinda deal. People could be offended if the invite is not returned. But I will never know.

234 Racer X  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:25:56am

re: #210 Russkilitlover

I'd like to know what California has to show for all this:

Bingo!

The argument from the Obama-ites is that we need these social programs for the needy. Well look at California. We have spent Billions on social programs. What have we got? Millions of people dependent on social programs.

This is America's future.

235 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:26:00am

re: #223 FurryOldGuyJeans

The carnage ongoing in Chicago since the election is appalling, and is on a scale of the violence in Iraq and Afghanistan, yet American massacres are largely ignored by the Obama-obsessed media:

Bloody Weekend: 8 Dead, Dozens Wounded
4 Killed, 2 Dozen Or More Wounded In Just 6 Hours

I didn't know there were any sports championships decided this weekend.

/

236 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:26:13am

re: #188 Bobblehead

It's not that kind of site. Joining just makes all their wonderful resources available to you..patterns, new designers, yarn, tutorials, pictures of finished projects, etc. I can spend hours looking and reading. Hours that should be spent knitting but I can't help myself. So many creative people all over the world. It's fascinating.

Oh...that sounds nice actually...but do I dare tempt myself with all those delights when I've two projects in the works which must be finished quickly? And then I have to start knitting tiny things for the coming grandbaby!

By the way, who taught you to knit, or did you teach yourself? My grandmother taught me as a teen but I didn't get serious about the craft until I was expecting my first. I had the great pleasure of passing on the tradition with a group of friends and their children a few years back.

237 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:26:44am

re: #205 turn

Curious, did it link you up with old classmates and do you use it much? Turnspawn said many people go nuts and constantly post intimate stuff about themselves, mine would probably be blank.

I have found a lot of old classmates on it. I joined the same year as my 20 year high school reunion and someone had created a page for my class.

I also have a lot of musician friends on it.

I do use it a lot, but I skip a lot of the stupid stuff on it, like making lists of things about yourself, quizzes, sending virtual gifts to friends, etc.

238 albusteve  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:26:45am

re: #230 FurryOldGuyJeans

Already here in WA State since 2004. We were at the forefront of stolen elections with that group.

this time they are sanctioned by the feds

239 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:26:52am

re: #221 alegrias

* * * *
Vladimir Putin would understand how ACORN works to elect community organizers, more than our democratic allies!

Hell, he probably funded them while at the KGB.

240 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:27:28am

re: #220 JamesTKirk

I'm on THE INTERNET. I've seen things that I wish I hadn't.

Which brings up an interesting observation from the weekend.

My wife quipped - "I think most American males who insist on wearing Speedos to the beach would look less unappealing if they wore nothing at all."

Any middle aged Speedo devotees here that I have just offended?

241 Racer X  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:28:08am

re: #223 FurryOldGuyJeans

The carnage ongoing in Chicago since the election is appalling, and is on a scale of the violence in Iraq and Afghanistan, yet American massacres are largely ignored by the Obama-obsessed media:

Bloody Weekend: 8 Dead, Dozens Wounded
4 Killed, 2 Dozen Or More Wounded In Just 6 Hours

Quagmire!

242 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:28:12am

Morning all. Well, didn't Chicago have a great weekend:

Bloody Weekend: 8 Dead, Dozens Wounded

4 Killed, 2 Dozen Or More Wounded In Just 6 Hours

Let's see, people with guns:

Drunks,
Crazies,
Gangbangers,
Drug dealers,
Various and sundry low life's.

People without guns:

Law-abiding citizens.

Now, remind me again Mayor Daley...how's that strict gun control program working out for you?

243 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:28:25am

re: #236 scottishbuzzsaw

I can make hats with the plastic ring thingy, and scarves with the "flattened ring" thingy. I made my friend her first "chemo cap". She got quite a kick out of it being "man-made" harharhar.

244 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:28:42am

re: #238 albusteve

this time they are sanctioned by the feds

They were, implicitly, during the 2004 WA Gubernatorial race. The Feds wanted no part of investigating.

245 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:28:42am

re: #177 Shug

Hitler He got things done, says Formula One chief Bernie Ecclestone

idiot

Bernie Ecclestone, the Formula One chief, said yesterday that he preferred totalitarian regimes to democracies and praised Adolf Hitler for his ability to “get things done”.

Drinking from the same jug of KoolAid as Carter.

246 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:28:59am

re: #223 FurryOldGuyJeans

Hi Furry! LOL! Beat me to it, but it's nice that great minds think alike.

;-)

247 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:29:03am

re: #223 FurryOldGuyJeans

That is all Bush's fault.

248 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:29:22am

re: #211 EmmmieG

Most people have private sites (unlike the Ditz we are talking about). To see their site, you have to be a friend. You send them a friend request, and they confirm or ignore you. (I've ignored exactly one person, because I only "friend" people who are actually real friends.) The terminology is a little misleading. It's more about approving who can see your site than popularity.

Once you have been confirmed, then you can see their site.

Ohhh -- so the MI6 person's wife allowed anyone to see his site? Beyond stupid.

But more importantly -- how does one become aware that other people exist on Facebook that you can "friend," and how do they become aware of you? It seems like a cotillion in a vast darkened ballroom with hundreds of people wearing blindfolds and earplugs wandering around, unable to "meet" someone except by sheer accident bumping into them in the dark.

249 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:29:28am

re: #234 Racer X

Bingo!

The argument from the Obama-ites is that we need these social programs for the needy. Well look at California. We have spent Billions on social programs. What have we got? Millions of people dependent on social programs.

This is America's future.

Michael Medved was talking the other day about Seattle's school lunch program, and how they are handing out free (Federally-funded) lunches to kids (regardless of income) at over 100 city parks this summer. Dependency in action.

250 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:29:28am

re: #223 FurryOldGuyJeans

The carnage ongoing in Chicago since the election is appalling, and is on a scale of the violence in Iraq and Afghanistan, yet American massacres are largely ignored by the Obama-obsessed media:

Bloody Weekend: 8 Dead, Dozens Wounded
4 Killed, 2 Dozen Or More Wounded In Just 6 Hours

I wonder if Obama is considering pulling the US out of Chicago...?
/

251 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:29:53am

re: #223 FurryOldGuyJeans

The carnage ongoing in Chicago since the election is appalling, and is on a scale of the violence in Iraq and Afghanistan, yet American massacres are largely ignored by the Obama-obsessed media:

Bloody Weekend: 8 Dead, Dozens Wounded
4 Killed, 2 Dozen Or More Wounded In Just 6 Hours

bbbut, crime in Chicago is down.
Scroll down there is an embed showing a fight at the Taste.

252 The Hoopster  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:30:01am

re: #220 JamesTKirk

I'm on THE INTERNET. I've seen things that I wish I hadn't.

The Internet? Is that thing still around?
/Homer Simpson

253 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:30:34am

re: #226 doppelganglander

I've got just under 100 friends, and the majority are high school classmates. A few people post TMI, but you can set it so that you don't see their status on your home page (although you can still go to their page and see it if you want to). Mostly I post snarky comments, links to articles, and vital information about myself, such as "which nail polish color are you?"

I think I'll join for the hell of it, I'm assuming I can quit at any time. I"m afraid I'll end up turning down the offer to be friends with quite a few people. BTW, that is a lot of high school friends you have there, I would be surprised if I had that many. One of turnspawn's buddies only posts bogus pictures of himself, pretty funny stuff.

254 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:30:41am

re: #222 karmic_inquisitor

I just made "pol pot" my icon on farcebook.

Excellent!

You soon will be famous for this. Keep developing it!

255 John Neverbend  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:30:52am

Travelling in Canada a few years ago, I came across a reference to this site in one of the national newspapers.

DMC

256 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:31:00am

re: #249 Ward Cleaver

Michael Medved was talking the other day about Seattle's school lunch program, and how they are handing out free (Federally-funded) lunches to kids (regardless of income) at over 100 city parks this summer. Dependency in action.

Reminds me of the schools in Houston serving lunches while closed during Ike.

One woman took her kids to McD's and then brought them by the school for their free lunch.

257 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:31:04am

re: #248 zombie

Ohhh -- so the MI6 person's wife allowed anyone to see his site? Beyond stupid.

But more importantly -- how does one become aware that other people exist on Facebook that you can "friend," and how do they become aware of you? It seems like a cotillion in a vast darkened ballroom with hundreds of people wearing blindfolds and earplugs wandering around, unable to "meet" someone except by sheer accident bumping into them in the dark.

Search. Most of the women I know use their full name, including maiden name, so they can be found by old friends. One gal I know, however, is using a clever "code name," and she finds you.

Once you are someone's friend, you can see who's on their friend list (although you can't see the friend's sites, just the names and one photo, and you can spread out that way.)

258 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:31:08am

re: #250 LGoPs

I wonder if Obama is considering pulling the US out of Chicago...?
/

I think I will make a protest sign and take it to the corner next weekend:

"US out of Detroit"

or

"Stop Obama's unilateral war on commerce"

or

"Got job?"

259 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:31:09am

re: #250 LGoPs

I wonder if Obama is considering pulling the US out of Chicago...?
/

Depends. Did Bush get us in there?

260 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:31:53am

re: #254 zombie

Excellent!

You soon will be famous for this. Keep developing it!

Not mine - some guy put it up. But I am all for exploiting it.

261 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:31:54am

re: #253 turn

I think I'll join for the hell of it, I'm assuming I can quit at any time. I"m afraid I'll end up turning down the offer to be friends with quite a few people. BTW, that is a lot of high school friends you have there, I would be surprised if I had that many. One of turnspawn's buddies only posts bogus pictures of himself, pretty funny stuff.


Of course you can quit at any time. Just keep telling yourself that.

262 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:32:01am

re: #236 scottishbuzzsaw

Oh...that sounds nice actually...but do I dare tempt myself with all those delights when I've two projects in the works which must be finished quickly? And then I have to start knitting tiny things for the coming grandbaby!

By the way, who taught you to knit, or did you teach yourself? My grandmother taught me as a teen but I didn't get serious about the craft until I was expecting my first. I had the great pleasure of passing on the tradition with a group of friends and their children a few years back.

I started 3 years ago. Took lessons at my local yarn shop. I took to it like a duck to water as they say. Since then I have taken every lesson I can squeeze into my schedule. My stash grows minute by minute.

Congratulations on the coming grandchild. Just had one myself. Knitting tiny things is fun.

263 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:32:31am

re: #258 karmic_inquisitor

I think I will make a protest sign and take it to the corner next weekend:

"US out of Detroit"

or

"Stop Obama's unilateral war on commerce"

or

"Got job?"

The favorite sign I saw was "Will you pay my mortgage?"

264 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:33:06am

re: #248 zombie

Ohhh -- so the MI6 person's wife allowed anyone to see his site? Beyond stupid.

But more importantly -- how does one become aware that other people exist on Facebook that you can "friend," and how do they become aware of you? It seems like a cotillion in a vast darkened ballroom with hundreds of people wearing blindfolds and earplugs wandering around, unable to "meet" someone except by sheer accident bumping into them in the dark.


1. you can search for them by a name search
2. by specific searches, for example, if they list which high school they attended, or other demopgraphics, like where they work, whatever, you can search that way.
3. friends of common friends. you get these "suggestions" to become a friend if you share a common friend.

265 Clubsec  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:33:11am

OT
Robert Strange McNamara - The destroyer of a generation.
Wizkids direct the war from the Oval Office. But ... cannot attack your enemy where he hides and cannot attack his communications or infrastructure. You must fight with your hands tied behind your back and
ignore the enemies cruelty to his countrymen.
... He's dead Jim.
Piss on his coffin. Crap on his headstone.
May he rot in hell. Good riddance.
And Walter ... your're next.
/rant

To those who fight for it, life has a flavor the protected will never know.

266 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:33:17am

re: #232 Ward Cleaver

Classmates.com is the worst. I couldn't care less what my high school classmates are up to. Gah! I do know that some of them were grandparents before age 40. Scary.

People are just so open with their personal information, they don't realize things like this could actually cause big trouble. You can find out a lot of information about someone -- if you know where to look.

267 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:33:28am

re: #237 Mad Al-Jaffee

I have found a lot of old classmates on it. I joined the same year as my 20 year high school reunion and someone had created a page for my class.

I also have a lot of musician friends on it.

I do use it a lot, but I skip a lot of the stupid stuff on it, like making lists of things about yourself, quizzes, sending virtual gifts to friends, etc.

My son didn't tell me about that stuff. I did learn some really neat things about this Iphone, if it weren't for the $100/mo in hookup fees I would be all over that thing. It even has an ap that can tell you what the name of a song is that is playing on the radio. Simply mind blowing.

268 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:33:39am

re: #264 Shug

1. you can search for them by a name search
2. by specific searches, for example, if they list which high school they attended, or other demopgraphics, like where they work, whatever, you can search that way.
3. friends of common friends. you get these "suggestions" to become a friend if you share a common friend.

Which will just bring you right back to David Irving.

I say don't do it.

/

269 The Hoopster  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:33:48am

re: #255 John Neverbend

Travelling in Canada a few years ago, I came across a reference to this site in one of the national newspapers.

DMC

LOL
Dulls mens club...Funny... I don't believe in that shit..
My opinion is that a Rut is nothing more than a grave with both ends kicked out.

270 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:34:04am
271 Syrah  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:34:10am

re: #259 capitalist piglet

Depends. Did Bush get us in there?

Biden will say that they misread how bad the situation in Chicago was.

272 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:34:18am

Men, women share U. of C. rooms
NEW POLICY %P% Male, female undergraduates can now share dorm, no questions asked
July 6, 2009
BY DAVE NEWBART Staff Reporter

Charlie Barlow plans to room with one of his best friends next semester at the University of Chicago: Lauren "Lulu'' Danzig.

The two are among 50 students who will take advantage of a new policy allowing male and female undergraduates to room together -- something that was forbidden throughout the 117-year history of the Hyde Park school.

273 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:34:42am

re: #259 capitalist piglet

Depends. Did Bush get us in there?

Rgeardless of whether Bush got us into Chicago or not, the important thing is to say that he got us in there...and repeat it a lot. That's all that matters. Modern journalism is so easy, I could be one.
/

274 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:34:47am

re: #258 karmic_inquisitor

I joined. You need more "Enemy" choices.

275 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:35:06am

re: #272 FurryOldGuyJeans

Men, women share U. of C. rooms
NEW POLICY %P% Male, female undergraduates can now share dorm, no questions asked
July 6, 2009
BY DAVE NEWBART Staff Reporter

I saw "bachelor" dorm rooms. Why on earth would a girl want to share a room with a bachelor-type dude?

276 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:35:08am

re: #257 EmmmieG

Search. Most of the women I know use their full name, including maiden name, so they can be found by old friends. One gal I know, however, is using a clever "code name," and she finds you.

Once you are someone's friend, you can see who's on their friend list (although you can't see the friend's sites, just the names and one photo, and you can spread out that way.)

Wait -- so what your saying is, the friends you know in real life are the same people who are your "friends" on Facebook? ! ? ! ? ! ?

Whoa, that changes everything. I thought it was just an online thing.

But if you know them in real life, what purpose does Facebook serve? I mean, you already know them and all about them.

277 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:35:21am

re: #248 zombie

Ohhh -- so the MI6 person's wife allowed anyone to see his site? Beyond stupid.

But more importantly -- how does one become aware that other people exist on Facebook that you can "friend," and how do they become aware of you? It seems like a cotillion in a vast darkened ballroom with hundreds of people wearing blindfolds and earplugs wandering around, unable to "meet" someone except by sheer accident bumping into them in the dark.

zom, I wonder what would happen if you got a 2nd account? Perhaps the sign-up protocols have changed since you got your account and you missed an update or something. I got an email a while back that had me redo my security settings or something. Try opening a 2nd account and see what happens.

278 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:35:46am

re: #243 OldLineTexan

I can make hats with the plastic ring thingy, and scarves with the "flattened ring" thingy. I made my friend her first "chemo cap". She got quite a kick out of it being "man-made" harharhar.

You sweetie you! I've made chemo caps and premie caps for a couple of organizations, but I bet it meant the world to your friend that it came from you.

(Forgive me, but I'm not quite sure what the ring thingies are?)

279 Racer X  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:36:01am

re: #265 Clubsec

TFK's brother in-law?

280 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:36:06am

re: #275 EmmmieG

I saw "bachelor" dorm rooms. Why on earth would a girl want to share a room with a bachelor-type dude?

Funny you should ask:

For 19-year-olds Danzig and Barlow, it's not a romantic thing: She already has a boyfriend on campus. She says she simply prefers to live with men, and Barlow is a very close friend.

"I tend to get along better with guys,'' she said. Still, she said, she couldn't imagine sharing a dorm room with her boyfriend.

281 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:36:06am

re: #263 LGoPs

The favorite sign I saw was "Will you pay my mortgage?"

"Still got hope?"

282 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:36:11am

re: #274 Cannadian Club Akbar

I joined. You need more "Enemy" choices.

I just stabbed you. It felt good.

283 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:36:31am

Right wing extremist update...
Police fear far-right terror attack

Scotland Yard's counter-terrorism command fears the extreme right will stage a deadly terrorist attack in Britain to try to stoke racial tensions, the Guardian has learned.

Senior officers fear the attack will be a "spectacular" that is designed to kill people. The counter-terrorism unit has moved officers to beef up its monitoring of the extreme right's potential to stage attacks.
...
Sawyer told the meeting last Wednesday that more of his officers needed to be deployed to try to thwart neo-Nazi-inspired violence. He said the terrorist threat posed by al-Qaida remained the unit's priority, but said of its far-right section: "It is a small desk ... we need to grow that unit."

Sources have told the Guardian that while they believe the neo-Nazi terrorist threat has grown, they have no specific intelligence of an attack.

"There is an increased possibility of violence from the far right. There is a trend," said one senior source, adding that the ideology of the violent right was driven by "people who don't like immigration, people who don't like Islam. We're seeing a resurgence of anti-semitism as well."

Similar warnings about the terror threat of the far right have been issued in America recently. In April, an internal report drawn up by the US department of homeland security warned of a possible rise in violent rightwing extremist groups fuelled by the recession and hostility over the election of the first black president. The report said threats from white supremacist and violent anti-government groups had been largely rhetorical so far, but a prolonged economic downturn could create a fertile recruiting environment for rightwing extremists.

284 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:36:31am

re: #136 JHW

This one buzz? Alfred Hitchcock on the Holocaust

How did you find this? I only watch five minutes of it. It goes on for almost two hours. Dreadful. Shameful.

I visited the Holocaust Museum when I was in Israel in the early 80's. One of the many things I saw was a pair of little girl shoes that had been preserved. One of the victims. Dreadful.

285 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:36:47am

re: #265 Clubsec

OT
Robert Strange McNamara - The destroyer of a generation.
Wizkids direct the war from the Oval Office. But ... cannot attack your enemy where he hides and cannot attack his communications or infrastructure. You must fight with your hands tied behind your back and
ignore the enemies cruelty to his countrymen.
... He's dead Jim.
Piss on his coffin. Crap on his headstone.
May he rot in hell. Good riddance.
And Walter ... your're next.
/rant

To those who fight for it, life has a flavor the protected will never know.

Oh happy day! Too bad this arrogant monster escaped real justice during his excessively long lifetime, but perhaps he will face it now. Now if that traitor Cronkite will just finally croak...

286 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:36:50am

Sometimes ya just gotta shake your head:

Airline May Introduce Standing Room Only Section

Ryanair boss Michael O’Leary wants passengers to stand on the budget airline’s flights, in a bid to pack in more people and boost profits.

Passengers would pay less to huddle next to what have been described as “bar stools”, with seatbelts around their waists.

Not to be outdone, the president of United announced a plan to drug passengers, then 'stack 'em like cordwood'. "Preliminary figures indicate we could probably get seven or eight times the number of passengers on any given flight."

(Okay, I made that last part up.)

287 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:36:56am

re: #260 karmic_inquisitor

Not mine - some guy put it up. But I am all for exploiting it.

Drat!

Well, he'll be famous, then!

288 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:37:16am
289 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:37:16am

re: #276 zombie

Wait -- so what your saying is, the friends you know in real life are the same people who are your "friends" on Facebook? ! ? ! ? ! ?

Whoa, that changes everything. I thought it was just an online thing.

But if you know them in real life, what purpose does Facebook serve? I mean, you already know them and all about them.

I'm 38. I've known a lot of people and we have spread out. Those are the people I talk to--people in different towns and states that I had fallen out of touch with. People I see face-to-face I just call when I need to and chat with when I see them. (Except, oddly, all my cousins, who I see anyway.)

290 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:37:43am

re: #282 karmic_inquisitor

I just stabbed you. It felt good.

Whoa! We can stab people?

291 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:37:46am

re: #270 buzzsawmonkey

My father was in a military unit in WWII that printed various items - maps, photo recon, etc. One thing they printed was a book of pictures of the camps when they were liberated.
I looked at it once.
If I watched the movie, I'd want to nuke Germany, and I know that Germany has changed quite a bit.
I hope this post doesn't get deleted, because I'm expressing how I feel about the Shoah, and that Germany no longer deserves to be nuked (they didn't once they surrendered.)

292 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:38:30am

re: #278 scottishbuzzsaw

You sweetie you! I've made chemo caps and premie caps for a couple of organizations, but I bet it meant the world to your friend that it came from you.

(Forgive me, but I'm not quite sure what the ring thingies are?)

It's a plastic ring with pegs on top ... you wrap the yarn a certain way around the pegs, and hook the rows together with a picker or a crochet hook. No skill needed, and I found it very relaxing.

293 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:38:41am

re: #270 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks, but no. I've met a holocaust survivor, saw the numbers on his forearm. I like to sleep at night.

294 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:38:46am

re: #283 Killgore Trout

Hmmm.. which is more likely to occur sooner - an attack by a far right group in the UK or another jihadi attack? I'd posit that the jihad will come before the right wing attack. But that's just me.

295 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:38:59am

re: #285 Shiplord Kirel

Oh happy day! Too bad this arrogant monster escaped real justice during his excessively long lifetime, but perhaps he will face it now. Now if that traitor Cronkite will just finally croak...

I thought I heard recently that he's in poor health.

/drumming fingers...

296 The Hoopster  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:39:01am

re: #270 buzzsawmonkey

I saw a show on PBS once.. I wish I had recorded it..It was WW2 era film taken of the death camps.. Some of it they said never shown before..
It was haunting...You try to put yourself in their place and it's impossible...
We have no idea of the horror they faced...
May God always show them grace and mercy for eternity for such suffering.

297 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:39:03am

bbl, going to go sign up for FB.

298 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:39:19am

re: #276 zombie

Wait -- so what your saying is, the friends you know in real life are the same people who are your "friends" on Facebook? ! ? ! ? ! ?

It can be a mix of both. A lot of my friends and family are pretty spread out. So it's nice to keep a thumb on the pulse of their lives. As well I do have a few internet friends on there as well. Some tell all, some tell little. It all depends on what they want you to know.

299 Syrah  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:39:34am

re: #266 Sharmuta

People are just so open with their personal information, they don't realize things like this could actually cause big trouble. You can find out a lot of information about someone -- if you know where to look.

I got a call the other day from an old college friend. He used the internet to track me down. He surprised me a little bit when he commented on my house and the "lake" down the street. He was using google maps. It was a little un-nerving.

300 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:39:39am
301 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:39:59am

re: #294 lawhawk

Hmmm.. which is more likely to occur sooner - an attack by a far right group in the UK or another jihadi attack? I'd posit that the jihad will come before the right wing attack. But that's just me.

Ah, but you don't see right-wing bogey-men under your bed or in your closet at night.

302 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:40:02am

Updated farcebook icon - Nancy Pelosi. Pol Pot is dead so he can't harm anyone anymore.

303 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:40:17am

re: #289 EmmmieG

Should I use my real name?

304 AuntAcid  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:40:23am

re: #265 Clubsec

I'm sure his family appreciates your condolences.

305 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:40:24am

re: #294 lawhawk

Hmmm.. which is more likely to occur sooner - an attack by a far right group in the UK or another jihadi attack? I'd posit that the jihad will come before the right wing attack. But that's just me.

No it isn't.

306 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:40:28am

re: #283 Killgore Trout

They should ban violence, like they did with firearms and big knives.

/

307 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:40:29am

re: #248 zombie

Ohhh -- so the MI6 person's wife allowed anyone to see his site? Beyond stupid.

But more importantly -- how does one become aware that other people exist on Facebook that you can "friend," and how do they become aware of you? It seems like a cotillion in a vast darkened ballroom with hundreds of people wearing blindfolds and earplugs wandering around, unable to "meet" someone except by sheer accident bumping into them in the dark.

FB can also search your email address book on various services - Gmail, AOL, etc. - and let you know who is already on FB. If they're not, you can send them an invitation to join.

308 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:41:13am

re: #307 doppelganglander

Do you use your real name?

309 Long Nics are Looonnng  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:41:18am

re: #248 zombie

Actually, I use it quite a bit. Getting to know many acquaintances better, and catching up with quite a few old friends.

310 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:41:42am

re: #306 OldLineTexan

They should ban violence, like they did with firearms and big knives.

/

Would work as well as it did in Chicago this holiday weekend.

///

311 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:41:42am

re: #299 Syrah

I got a call the other day from an old college friend. He used the internet to track me down. He surprised me a little bit when he commented on my house and the "lake" down the street. He was using google maps. It was a little un-nerving.

I bet! It would un-nerve me.

312 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:41:45am

re: #283 Killgore Trout

Right wing extremist update...
Police fear far-right terror attack

Just for the record, I consider Islamists "ultra right wing" too.

There will always be morons lurking this planet in search of "restoring" some glorious past which either never existed or wasn't all that glorious.

313 Long Nics are Looonnng  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:41:57am

re: #308 turn

I do. Had I been braver, I would here.

314 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:42:02am

re: #301 FurryOldGuyJeans

And that, in a nutshell is why I'm not MI6. In fact, that's why I'm not in a position of political influence. /

315 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:42:20am

re: #294 lawhawk

Hmmm.. which is more likely to occur sooner - an attack by a far right group in the UK or another jihadi attack? I'd posit that the jihad will come before the right wing attack. But that's just me.

There have been a lot of arrests lately of Neo-nazis with weapons caches and bomb factories. It could go either way.

316 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:42:25am

re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

ok, thanks fbv.

317 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:42:31am
318 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:42:58am

re: #277 ggt

zom, I wonder what would happen if you got a 2nd account? Perhaps the sign-up protocols have changed since you got your account and you missed an update or something. I got an email a while back that had me redo my security settings or something. Try opening a 2nd account and see what happens.

I actually already have two accounts. I signed up for another one a while ago when trying to solve this problem (i.e. the problem of my impenetrable ignorance) -- but nothing changed. The second account is as inert as the first one.

319 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:43:13am

re: #314 lawhawk

And that, in a nutshell is why I'm not MI6. In fact, that's why I'm not in a position of political influence. /

I would also bet you are not a security risk with lots of black-mail material floating about the 'nets either.

320 The Hoopster  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:43:43am

re: #318 zombie

I actually already have two accounts. I signed up for another one a while ago when trying to solve this problem (i.e. the problem of my impenetrable ignorance) -- but nothing changed. The second account is as inert as the first one.

Hi Zom! Network issues today?

321 Long Nics are Looonnng  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:43:44am

Got to go work out the bod. Ladies? Stop yer droolin'!

322 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:43:56am

re: #308 turn

Do you use your real name?

Furry Guy IS my real name. ;)

323 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:44:07am

re: #308 turn

Do you use your real name?

I do. It depends on whether you want your profile to be untraceable. I wanted to find old friends, so real name it is, including maiden name.

324 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:44:09am

re: #306 OldLineTexan

They should ban violence, like they did with firearms and big knives.

/

They left out Big Concrete. Do you know how many people have been killed by Big Concrete chunks? Hmmm?

325 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:44:14am

re: #270 buzzsawmonkey

Schindler's List communicates the randomness by which people lived or died, but beyond that, despite its being based on a true story, it still comes across as Hollywood. The one thing that I found really shocking/moving in the film is that people are killed realistically, instead of Hollywood-style; with a jerk and a slump and a whiff of powder smoke swirling around their clothes and a widening pool of blood in the snow, instead of the balletic choreography which characterizes most Hollywood deaths.

The British film may well be more of what you saw on PBS--but there is merit in subjecting one's self to the entire length of it (approx. 1 hour). It is a mere hour; it is mere film; yet it manages to give us, in our comfortable lives, a lingering feeling of horror. Consider what those people who lived through what is depicted, for months and in some cases years, experienced; one hour of unease before returning to our comfortable lives is not only small enough tribute to the survivors and the slain, but the enduring quality of the horror engendered by that mere hour is a bulwark against such things recurring in the future.

That was my observation also and the reason I've only watched that movie once. It was disturbing.

326 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:44:17am

re: #262 Bobblehead

I started 3 years ago. Took lessons at my local yarn shop. I took to it like a duck to water as they say. Since then I have taken every lesson I can squeeze into my schedule. My stash grows minute by minute.

Congratulations on the coming grandchild. Just had one myself. Knitting tiny things is fun.

Congratulations to you! And speaking of stash, I'm embarrassed sometimes at the bounty! Have you checked out Elann.com?

327 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:44:43am

re: #287 zombie

Drat!

Well, he'll be famous, then!

I don't want to be famous. I did the name purge thing a long time ago too but it still creeps back in.

Nothing would be more satisfying to me than to die knowing that I contributed to some chain of events that made the world freer and more prosperous without anyone knowing what I did.

In other words, I envy you.

328 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:44:49am

re: #318 zombie

I actually already have two accounts. I signed up for another one a while ago when trying to solve this problem (i.e. the problem of my impenetrable ignorance) -- but nothing changed. The second account is as inert as the first one.

Is your account under "zombie"?

329 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:45:17am

re: #324 LGoPs

They left out Big Concrete. Do you know how many people have been killed by Big Concrete chunks? Hmmm?

And bathrooms. Lots of people die in bathroom falls.

330 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:45:34am

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

I do not have the source, but the story was read to me and I'll never forget it.

To paraphrase: One day the people got a broth that was unusually savory. It even had bits of meat in it. After the prisoners had consumed it, a German guard made the announcement that his dog had been killed. He suspected that a prisoner had killed it. He further announced that he had killed "one of you dogs." And had fed it to them.

331 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:45:55am

WTF? This is scary, it's coming back saying there is an existing account using my friggin email! No way I signed up for this thing, no way.

332 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:46:01am

re: #265 Clubsec

OT
Robert Strange McNamara - The destroyer of a generation.
Wizkids direct the war from the Oval Office. But ... cannot attack your enemy where he hides and cannot attack his communications or infrastructure. You must fight with your hands tied behind your back and
ignore the enemies cruelty to his countrymen.
... He's dead Jim.
Piss on his coffin. Crap on his headstone.
May he rot in hell. Good riddance.
And Walter ... your're next.
/rant

To those who fight for it, life has a flavor the protected will never know.

There was more to it than McNamara's insane micro-management and freakish tactical notions:
McNamara's 'other' crimes: the stories you haven't heard

333 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:46:03am

re: #328 ggt

Is your account under "zombie"?

My nic is blue, email me and maybe we can connect on facebook and figure it out together.

334 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:46:22am

re: #329 Ward Cleaver

And bathrooms. Lots of people die in bathroom falls.

And pillows. You could poke someone's eye out with the pointy end...

335 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:46:42am

re: #300 buzzsawmonkey

My father used to get asked whether he "regretted" having worked on the Manhattan Project.

His invariable answer was, "Yes. I regret we did not get the bomb done in time to drop it on Germany."

My uncle was very grateful to your father and his associates, since he was on a boat to the Philippines for the invasion of Japan when the first bomb was dropped.

336 The Hoopster  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:47:19am

re: #329 Ward Cleaver

And bathrooms. Lots of people die in bathroom falls.

They have stats for everything...Gun deaths..Heart attacks..etc.
How many people die during sex?
/right now somebody is googling it...

337 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:47:24am

re: #312 karmic_inquisitor

Just for the record, I consider Islamists "ultra right wing" too.

There will always be morons lurking this planet in search of "restoring" some glorious past which either never existed or wasn't all that glorious.

Does that mean that freaky environmentalist Gaia worshippers who are trying to return human society and the Earth itself into a state which never actually existed are also "ultra right wing"?

338 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:47:32am

re: #331 turn

WTF? This is scary, it's coming back saying there is an existing account using my friggin email! No way I signed up for this thing, no way.

Can you submit a lost password request?

339 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:47:33am

re: #292 OldLineTexan

It's a plastic ring with pegs on top ... you wrap the yarn a certain way around the pegs, and hook the rows together with a picker or a crochet hook. No skill needed, and I found it very relaxing.

Loom knitting...of course. Very cool. I use needles, but I find it very relaxing as well.

340 Syrah  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:47:49am

re: #311 Sharmuta

I bet! It would un-nerve me.

There is some data that will always get out.

I have lived life in a fishbowl before. It was not easy. It is not for everyone. Unfortunately, it looks like it will be more and more difficult over the next decade to Opt Out.

341 Baier  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:47:57am

Facebook has been a mixed bag for me, sometimes it is nice to get back in touch with people, sometimes it is not. I mean, we lost touch for a reason, right?

Mostly I enjoy it. I like to see what my friends and family are up to and look at their photos and read their status.

342 Outrider  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:47:58am

huh. His brother in law has a friend. And his wife published the material.

What next? His daughters hairdressers sons friend is an anarchist?

343 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:48:00am

re: #336 HoosierHoops

They have stats for everything...Gun deaths..Heart attacks..etc.
How many people die during sex?
/right now somebody is googling it...

How many people die googling? I want to know.

344 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:48:11am

re: #336 HoosierHoops

They have stats for everything...Gun deaths..Heart attacks..etc.
How many people die during sex?
/right now somebody is googling it...

die during sex---bad
die after sex--better

345 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:48:25am

re: #298 BlueCanuck

It can be a mix of both. A lot of my friends and family are pretty spread out. So it's nice to keep a thumb on the pulse of their lives. As well I do have a few internet friends on there as well. Some tell all, some tell little. It all depends on what they want you to know.

Hmmm. So strange. The last thing I would ever do is reveal even one micron of my personal life on the Internet, for any reason, to anyone. There must be some very deep and very important personality trait that others have that I lack. The one thing I crave above all else is anonymity and privacy. If there is a person in the real world I want to reveal something to, I'd reveal it to them individually in person -- not on the Web where everyone else could see it.

346 calvin coolidge  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:48:29am

I have brother-in-law problems too. Like my brother-in-law, I have a lot of good plans, but unlike my brother-in-law, they may actually work.

347 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:48:39am

Bomb seizures spark far-right terror plot fear

A network of suspected far-right extremists with access to 300 weapons and 80 bombs has been uncovered by counter-terrorism detectives.

Thirty-two people have been questioned in a police operation that raises the prospect of a right-wing bombing campaign against mosques. Police are said to have recovered a British National party membership card and other right-wing literature during a raid on the home of one suspect charged under the Terrorism Act.


Something is brewing.

348 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:49:00am

I used to use my real name on the internet. Phased it out as I joined new communities under a variety of handles; pretty much stopped several years ago.

349 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:49:06am

re: #329 Ward Cleaver

And bathrooms. Lots of people die in bathroom falls.

or Falling icicles in Chicago? and other large cities.

350 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:49:10am

re: #338 doppelganglander

Can you submit a lost password request?

I'm telling you I've never signed on. I better talk to the boys, something funny is going on here - I'm betting one of those little dudes used dad's email address to set up more than one account.

351 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:49:32am

re: #347 Killgore Trout

Bomb seizures spark far-right terror plot fear


Something is brewing.

Tea party? ;}

352 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:49:59am

re: #329 Ward Cleaver

And bathrooms. Lots of people die in bathroom falls.

Don't forget: Falling Down a Laundry Chute and Breaking Your Neck!

353 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:50:09am

re: #299 Syrah

I got a call the other day from an old college friend. He used the internet to track me down. He surprised me a little bit when he commented on my house and the "lake" down the street. He was using google maps. It was a little un-nerving.

I google myself quite a bit, and so far, I have found my address and home phone number listed on some of those sites were you have to pay for more information. I expect they get their stuff from phone books. That info would give them access to my property records at town hall which would give them a whole bunch of stuff to delve into, DD 214's, VA property tax disability exemptions and the like. Not sure how much you can hide from someone actively looking for you.

354 The Hoopster  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:50:25am

re: #348 JamesTKirk

I used to use my real name on the internet. Phased it out as I joined new communities under a variety of handles; pretty much stopped several years ago.

Sooo...
You are not Really James T. Kirk?
/

355 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:50:42am

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At this time last year, the TV networks were wrapping up the selling process for primetime spots for the 2008-09 season.

This year, however, the so-called upfront market has yet to materialize, even though the new season starts in just a couple of months. The situation has both sides nervous that the negotiations will stretch into August.

356 alegrias  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:50:55am

OMG!

Hillary Clinton plans to meet with Zelaya, the Honduran president friend of Hugo Chavez, who tried to extend his presidential term against his country's own constitution.

Hillary's meeting with anti-democrat; Obama's meeting with Putin/Medvedev; and their hero Robert McNamara's death MUST BE OBSERVED by flying flags half mast at our military installations.

Fox News

357 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:50:58am

re: #338 doppelganglander

Hey that was a dang good idea, thanks. I can't wait to resent it and find out wtf is going on here. It just popped up in my email.

358 Racer X  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:51:00am

Hey Buzz, can you break Killgore's internet thingy again?

Thanks,

359 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:51:11am

re: #354 HoosierHoops

Sooo...
You are not Really James T. Kirk?
/

And I would bet good money he wasn't born in Iowa either. ;)

360 AuntAcid  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:51:33am

re: #349 ggt

or Falling icicles in Chicago? and other large cities.

gravity + stupidity can kill as can water in all it's forms.
"Be careful out there."

361 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:51:37am

re: #322 FurryOldGuyJeans

Furry Guy IS my real name. ;)

Pleased to meet you. My name is Sue.

362 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:51:39am

re: #337 JamesTKirk

Does that mean that freaky environmentalist Gaia worshippers who are trying to return human society and the Earth itself into a state which never actually existed are also "ultra right wing"?

Yes. Yes, it does.

AGW - rightwing reactionaries, intent on elimnating the Industrial Revolution
Antivaxers - rightwing reactionaries, intent on eliminating suspected disease causality by re-introducing good, decent, old-fashioned diseases
Boobs, Not Bombs - extreme right-wingers, intent on restoring peace via a return to stone-age Goddess worship.

The list goes on.

/

363 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:51:56am

re: #351 Russkilitlover

Michelle Malkin is claiming 37,000 attended the Dallas Tea Party. MSM accounts said it was a few hundred. Tea parties are over.

364 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:52:03am

re: #348 JamesTKirk

I used to use my real name on the internet. Phased it out as I joined new communities under a variety of handles; pretty much stopped several years ago.

Very punny, Kirk.

/

365 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:52:25am
366 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:52:25am

re: #358 Racer X

Hey Buzz, can you break Killgore's internet thingy again?

Thanks,

Nah, I need a good laugh. His over-the-top obsession is a hoot.

367 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:52:26am

Read the gravestone. Did you really think my middle name was "Tiberius"?

368 The Hoopster  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:52:26am

re: #352 CIA Reject

Don't forget: Falling Down a Laundry Chute and Breaking Your Neck!

I saw a Warning Label on a snow blower once that said to not use it on a roof.
I figured there was at least one dead dumbass that inspired the warning.

369 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:53:01am

re: #307 doppelganglander

FB can also search your email address book on various services - Gmail, AOL, etc. - and let you know who is already on FB. If they're not, you can send them an invitation to join.

re: #309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Actually, I use it quite a bit. Getting to know many acquaintances better, and catching up with quite a few old friends.

OK, I throw in the towel. You people are freaking me out!

So, what I'm getting from this is that Facebook is sort of a "voluntary non-anonymity" site on which people intentionally reveal their personal details, assuming only that people they know and like will ever see it? That, to me, is beyond crazy.

370 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:53:22am

re: #368 HoosierHoops

There are similar warnings about not using a lawn mower to trim hedges. The insane things people do.

371 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:53:31am

re: #368 HoosierHoops

I saw a Warning Label on a snow blower once that said to not use it on a roof.
I figured there was at least one dead dumbass that inspired the warning.

Or injured. The warning was probably sponsored by at least one lawsuit from some boob that used it on their roof.

372 Syrah  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:53:34am

re: #353 JohnnyReb

I google myself quite a bit, and so far, I have found my address and home phone number listed on some of those sites were you have to pay for more information. I expect they get their stuff from phone books. That info would give them access to my property records at town hall which would give them a whole bunch of stuff to delve into, DD 214's, VA property tax disability exemptions and the like. Not sure how much you can hide from someone actively looking for you.

If they are smart, they can find you.

Salting your info with some misdirection is a good idea. They will still be able to find you but they may at least have enough wrong that you can see them coming before they see you. It's ot a perfect strategy, its just the only one that I can think of at the moment.

373 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:53:34am

re: #350 turn

I'm telling you I've never signed on. I better talk to the boys, something funny is going on here - I'm betting one of those little dudes used dad's email address to set up more than one account.

That is very possible. However, if you get the password, you kind find out which one and punish him accordingly. You could then completely redo the profile. Or you could just use a different email addy.

374 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:54:21am

It was a frickin co-worker, he left me one request to be his friend. That sob. It was the only request I had, well then no harm was done I guess. I guess I have to delete this account and start again now. Thanks again dopple

375 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:54:23am

re: #373 doppelganglander

That is very possible. However, if you get the password, you kind find out which one and punish him accordingly. You could then completely redo the profile. Or you could just use a different email addy.

Put nerd stuf on it and wait.

/

376 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:54:47am

re: #320 HoosierHoops

Hi Zom! Network issues today?

No -- just discovering that I am unlike other human beings.

377 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:54:53am

re: #348 JamesTKirk

I used to use my real name on the internet. Phased it out as I joined new communities under a variety of handles; pretty much stopped several years ago.

Well, I guess I can't ask you for a reference to Starfleet Academy.
///

378 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:55:18am

re: #376 zombie

No -- just discovering that I am unlike other human beings.

You are not alone.

379 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:55:21am

re: #369 zombie

And then there are details on those social networking sites that just go beyond the crazy to the insanely stupid. Women putting all kinds of personal details that would have the potential to put them in harm's way - particularly if they have stalkers, etc.

Then there are kids whose parents don't have a clue what they're putting online, and how that could affect their futures. Because there are always louts out there who go trolling for these unsuspecting people.

380 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:55:23am

re: #357 turn

Hey that was a dang good idea, thanks. I can't wait to resent it and find out wtf is going on here. It just popped up in my email.

My pleasure. I hope you don't find out that you're a 26-year-old female in Sweden or something. Although if you are, you've probably got lots of friends.

381 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:55:54am

re: #326 scottishbuzzsaw

Congratulations to you! And speaking of stash, I'm embarrassed sometimes at the bounty! Have you checked out Elann.com?

Oh yes. Been there.

I love talking to the other gals at the shop about their stashes. I used to think my 5 or 6 jumbo totes worth of yarn was shameful until I talked to a couple of other women who have so much they have to use a computer program to keep track of them.

382 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:55:55am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

Michelle Malkin is claiming 37,000 attended the Dallas Tea Party. MSM accounts said it was a few hundred. Tea parties are over.

Tea Parties are not over until Ron Paul says they are over!

383 Racer X  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:56:09am

re: #376 zombie

No -- just discovering that I am unlike other human beings.

You're human?

384 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:56:18am

re: #376 zombie

No -- just discovering that I am unlike other human beings.

I would think the lack of respiration and the diet of brains would have been a couple of vital clues there.

385 Buck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:56:25am

re: #192 zombie

I have tried looking at people's "pages", but in no case was there anything to see on their pages -- a total absence of content. (Which is the way my page is -- also totally blank.) If someone were to look at my page, they would have nothing to see. I've always assumed there is some "inner level" where all the "stuff" is on other people's pages, but maybe I've only ever seen pages that were as blank as mine, and there is no deeper inner level.

If, by some miracle, you find yourself on someone's page that has "content" on it, can anybody click the pictures to see them? Or do you have to get permission from the page owner?

I have a Facebook Page. I invite my friends and family to 'link with me'. I have found quite a few old friends, that I was out of contact with. I post basic information about myself, and my family. For example, my youngest just left for summer camp, so I posted that, and mentioned that we were kidless for the first time in months. A friend I would never have seen (she lives in Toronto, and we fell out of touch) saw it, and posted a comment that she is having the same thing in her house...

No one outside the people I authorize see anything about me.

386 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:56:43am

re: #381 Bobblehead

Oh yes. Been there.

I love talking to the other gals at the shop about their stashes. I used to think my 5 or 6 jumbo totes worth of yarn was shameful until I talked to a couple of other women who have so much they have to use a computer program to keep track of them.

She who dies with the most fabric wins.

My mother has filled up two rooms with fabric and about eight sewing machines.

387 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:56:53am

re: #360 AuntAcid

gravity + stupidity can kill as can water in all it's forms.
"Be careful out there."

Hill Street Blues. Miss that show.

388 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:57:02am

re: #337 JamesTKirk

Does that mean that freaky environmentalist Gaia worshippers who are trying to return human society and the Earth itself into a state which never actually existed are also "ultra right wing"?

Well the political spectrum isn't linear - it wraps around.

Communism as placed into practice has always turned out to be ultra right wing when it came to social / morality codes. The Soviets had all sorts of public morality laws which, when violated, resulted in severe punishment.

For instance, gays were sent to the Gulag by Stalin - something well documented by Solzhenitsyn

389 No. Just, no.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:57:02am

re: #376 zombie

No -- just discovering that I am unlike other human beings.

Well, yeah, you're undead.

390 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:57:03am

re: #369 zombie

OK, I throw in the towel. You people are freaking me out!

So, what I'm getting from this is that Facebook is sort of a "voluntary non-anonymity" site on which people intentionally reveal their personal details, assuming only that people they know and like will ever see it? That, to me, is beyond crazy.

I have my FB account set so that no one gets to see anything unless I "approve" them as a friend.

So I keep it simple; I have only maybe 20 or so people, and these are folks I want to be in touch with - nieces and nephews living all over the country - they are never going to e-mail me. I get to keep up with them this way. A few lgf buddies - and a few HS buddies. That's about it.

391 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:57:10am

re: #379 lawhawk

Like how some people put up details that a prospective employer might find objectionable.. or worse.

392 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:57:37am

re: #382 JohnnyReb

Tea Parties are not over until Ron Paul says they are over!

They're over when Obama says (to the media) they're over.

393 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:58:02am

re: #370 lawhawk

There are similar warnings about not using a lawn mower to trim hedges. The insane things people do.

Weird Product Warnings

394 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:58:12am

re: #369 zombie

OK, I throw in the towel. You people are freaking me out!

So, what I'm getting from this is that Facebook is sort of a "voluntary non-anonymity" site on which people intentionally reveal their personal details, assuming only that people they know and like will ever see it? That, to me, is beyond crazy.

If it makes you feel better, I'm not on Facebook nor was I on MySpace before that. You're not the only one.

395 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:58:22am

re: #368 HoosierHoops

I saw a Warning Label on a snow blower once that said to not use it on a roof.
I figured there was at least one dead dumbass that inspired the warning.

Yes, sometimes ya gotta wonder.

Then again everything would be fine if people would just read and heed the Universal Disclaimer...

396 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:58:38am

re: #327 karmic_inquisitor

I don't want to be famous. I did the name purge thing a long time ago too but it still creeps back in.

Nothing would be more satisfying to me than to die knowing that I contributed to some chain of events that made the world freer and more prosperous without anyone knowing what I did.

In other words, I envy you.

The bolded part is the key to the whole thing!

Good deeds must be done anonymously. Otherwise, they're just an expression of hubris and narcissism.

397 The Hoopster  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:59:23am

re: #395 CIA Reject

Yes, sometimes ya gotta wonder.

Then again everything would be fine if people would just read and heed the Universal Disclaimer...

I bookmarked that! Thanks!

398 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:59:26am

re: #395 CIA Reject

Then again everything would be fine if people would just read and heed the Universal Disclaimer...

"Universal?" Nope. That one doesn't include one of the most important:

"Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball."

399 alegrias  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:59:33am

re: #369 zombie

OK, I throw in the towel. You people are freaking me out!

So, what I'm getting from this is that Facebook is sort of a "voluntary non-anonymity" site on which people intentionally reveal their personal details, assuming only that people they know and like will ever see it? That, to me, is beyond crazy.

* * * *
Zombie, I admire you even more for refusing to bare all or bare anything.

Your modesty is so refreshing.

400 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:00:50am

re: #381 Bobblehead

Oh yes. Been there.

I love talking to the other gals at the shop about their stashes. I used to think my 5 or 6 jumbo totes worth of yarn was shameful until I talked to a couple of other women who have so much they have to use a computer program to keep track of them.

I use jumbo totes as well but use the old fashioned method of notebook and pencil to keep track. ;>)

401 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:01:07am

re: #398 JamesTKirk

"Universal?" Nope. That one doesn't include one of the most important:

"Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball."

What! OK, that's it, I'M SUING!

402 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:01:19am
403 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:01:26am

re: #369 zombie

OK, I throw in the towel. You people are freaking me out!

So, what I'm getting from this is that Facebook is sort of a "voluntary non-anonymity" site on which people intentionally reveal their personal details, assuming only that people they know and like will ever see it? That, to me, is beyond crazy.

It's certainly crazy in your line of work.

404 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:01:42am

re: #328 ggt

Is your account under "zombie"?

No way! My facebook "name" is just a random agglomeration of characters. I only opened the account to I could "access" Facebook -- not to actually "use" it in any way.

No one has yet answered my challenge to link to an actual Facebook page that has content on it, so I still don't entirely believe in this mythical creature.

405 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:01:59am

re: #399 alegrias

* * * *
Zombie, I admire you even more for refusing to bare all or bare anything.

Your modesty is so refreshing.

If only some of Z-Dawg's photographic subjects were a tad more modest.

406 J.S.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:02:12am

re: #369 zombie

hmmm...have you considered that by making such statements, you might be revealing things about yourself? (heh, heh, heh...btw, I don't have a Facebook page, not even a blank one...)
/

407 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:02:22am

re: #386 EmmmieG

She who dies with the most fabric wins.

My mother has filled up two rooms with fabric and about eight sewing machines.

Stash beyond one's ability to use before one dies. It's what we all aim for.

408 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:03:17am

re: #333 ggt

My nic is blue, email me and maybe we can connect on facebook and figure it out together.

Eh -- I balk at that! There's no one on Earth I want to "know" on Facebook -- I just wanted to see what an actual Facebook page looks like.

409 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:03:34am

re: #404 zombie

No way! My facebook "name" is just a random agglomeration of characters. I only opened the account to I could "access" Facebook -- not to actually "use" it in any way.

No one has yet answered my challenge to link to an actual Facebook page that has content on it, so I still don't entirely believe in this mythical creature.

email me. you can link to me.

410 infopimp  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:03:43am

I noticed that if you want to upload to Facebook, it asks you to sign an Applet and says words to the effect "Do you Trust this App to get unlimited access to your computer" Uh... sure.

Then, in the next screen, I'm allowed to upload from my desktop, and there is a Select All option there - as soon as you upload, blamo, its out to the world... potentially everything on your computer.

I also have a friend in the jewelry business who shares her home address freely on Facebook - and regularly deals with 7+ caret stones... lives alone... what the hell is she thinking? I'm going to send her a PM right now, in fact.

411 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:04:42am

re: #408 zombie

Eh -- I balk at that! There's no one on Earth I want to "know" on Facebook -- I just wanted to see what an actual Facebook page looks like.

ah, I think I understand the problem. Unless you want to link to someone you will continue to have a blank page.

412 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:04:50am

re: #363 Killgore Trout

Michelle Malkin is claiming 37,000 attended the Dallas Tea Party. MSM accounts said it was a few hundred. Tea parties are over.

I'd like to hear tfk's estimate. The numbers I've seen are all over the place.

413 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:05:03am

re: #250 LGoPs

I wonder if Obama is considering pulling the US out of Chicago...?
/

Did he NOT organize it? At least, not very well?
... (or DID he?)

/enquiring minds want to know

414 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:05:48am

re: #402 buzzsawmonkey

Consider this, people: liberty depends upon the existence of privacy.

You really shouldn't post such subversive thoughts on the internet. Can I see your papers, sir ...

415 J.S.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:06:24am

re: #410 infopimp

o wow...everything on your computer? lol

/now there's a handy tool for any spy agency

416 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:07:14am

re: #400 scottishbuzzsaw

I use jumbo totes as well but use the old fashioned method of notebook and pencil to keep track. ;>)

Gawd, I love yarn! All kinds, all weights, all colors. I cannot get enough.

417 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:07:17am
418 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:07:22am

re: #410 infopimp

I also have a friend in the jewelry business who shares her home address freely on Facebook - and regularly deals with 7+ caret stones... lives alone... what the hell is she thinking? I'm going to send her a PM right now, in fact.

And her address is . . .?///

419 JHW  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:08:38am

re: #284 midwestgak

It is hard for us to grasp, at least for me, but the whole is even far, far worse than any film can convey. Martin Gilbert, the great biographer of Churchill, also wrote The Holocaust: A history of the Jews During the Second World War. In the forward, his description of visiting Treblinka many years after the war and his realization that the sand he walked on wasn't what it first seemed, shook me to the core. He tries to retrieve recollection of the many who even had the very memory of their existence ripped away from them. A masterful study, but unsparing and beyond what most of us think we know, horrendous as it was, about the events. Beyond the seventh circle of hell.

This online project, The Holocaust Chronicle is comprehensive, but I find it valuable for humanizing, putting names and faces to individuals, showing them in every day activities that we take for granted, pre and during the war. The numbers are so over-whelming it helps to see these people as individuals .

From the forward to the print edition (The Holocaust Chroniclepg.11

the study of these deaths is in the service of life. To study this evil is to strengthen decency and goodness.The Holocaust shatters faith---faith in God, secular faith in human decency, and faith in meaningful progress. Although the Holocaust provides few answers and raises many questions, the questions invite moral struggle against that evil... Rabbi Nachmann, a great Hasidic master of paradox, once said that nothing is as whole as a heart that has been broken and mended. The Holocaust shatters, Our task is to mend.

Michael Berenbaum

420 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:10:21am

re: #136 JHW

This one buzz? Alfred Hitchcock on the Holocaust

There are no words.

421 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:10:23am

re: #416 Bobblehead

Gawd, I love yarn! All kinds, all weights, all colors. I cannot get enough.

Nor can I. With the two projects going now, one uses a very soft but rather basic cotton; the other uses a cotton with slubs of rayon for a wonderful drape effect. Love them both...

422 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:10:39am

re: #410 infopimp

I noticed that if you want to upload to Facebook, it asks you to sign an Applet and says words to the effect "Do you Trust this App to get unlimited access to your computer" Uh... sure.

Then, in the next screen, I'm allowed to upload from my desktop, and there is a Select All option there - as soon as you upload, blamo, its out to the world... potentially everything on your computer.

I also have a friend in the jewelry business who shares her home address freely on Facebook - and regularly deals with 7+ caret stones... lives alone... what the hell is she thinking? I'm going to send her a PM right now, in fact.

Yikes! Take that address down!

423 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:11:00am
Immediately after The Mail on Sunday alerted the Foreign Office to the astonishing misjudgment, all trace of the material – which could potentially be useful to hostile foreign powers or terrorists - was removed from the internet.

How about all trace of the fool be removed from his job at MI6?

424 J.S.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:12:17am

re: #402 buzzsawmonkey

they say the same thing occurs whenever someone uses a "reward" card (or one of those cards which give you "points") at a grocery store...there's all sorts of information that can be gleaned...(your approx age, gender, health, diet/food preferences, pet ownership, etc, etc.)

425 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:12:57am

re: #398 JamesTKirk

"Universal?" Nope. That one doesn't include one of the most important:

"Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball."

StarFleet should put warnings on red shirts - Warning -wearing this shirt may mean you get killed on missions.

426 legalpad  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:13:45am

re: #348 JamesTKirk

I used to use my real name on the internet. Phased it out as I joined new communities under a variety of handles; pretty much stopped several years ago.

Did you use a "phaser"? :0

427 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:14:43am

re: #421 scottishbuzzsaw

Nor can I. With the two projects going now, one uses a very soft but rather basic cotton; the other uses a cotton with slubs of rayon for a wonderful drape effect. Love them both...

You see? Knitting conversations can occupy me 24-7 if I'm not careful. By the way, what projects are you working on? Right now I've got a pair of socks, a beaded scarf , a sweater and a shawl going. So much yarn, so little time.

428 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:19:13am

re: #425 Kosh's Shadow

StarFleet should put warnings on red shirts - Warning -wearing this shirt may mean you get killed on missions.

As a matter of fact...
[Link: www.cracked.com...]

429 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:19:35am

re: #427 Bobblehead

You see? Knitting conversations can occupy me 24-7 if I'm not careful. By the way, what projects are you working on? Right now I've got a pair of socks, a beaded scarf , a sweater and a shawl going. So much yarn, so little time.

It is a pleasure to talk about, isn't it? I'm using the plain cotton in a summer poncho, and the cotton/rayon for an evening shawl. I finished an afghan in washable wool and just need to do the finishing...by the way, is finishing/blocking your least favorite part?

430 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:20:55am

re: #419 JHW

A group of historians recently completed a study of the holocaust in which they cataloged all of the sites, facilities and installations involved When they began the project, they estimated there would be some 4000 such sites. They were astonished to discover there were over 20,000 sites used in the holocaust. These include the notorious exterminations camps, local jails, killing fields, railway transit hubs, slave labor factories & etc. This study destroys the lie that the average citizen didn't know what was happening. The holocaust was happening all around them. It was impossible to not know.

431 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:24:03am

re: #429 scottishbuzzsaw

It is a pleasure to talk about, isn't it? I'm using the plain cotton in a summer poncho, and the cotton/rayon for an evening shawl. I finished an afghan in washable wool and just need to do the finishing...by the way, is finishing/blocking your least favorite part?

Not fun. I agree. Can't be avoided though. Sigh.

432 JHW  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:26:11am

re: #430 Kenneth

I think I've seen that study or at least seen it referenced in Saul Friedlander's works. He also makes the point it wasn't exclusively a German phenomenom, they had all too enthusiastic help in most of the occupied countries, less so in Scandinavia and Italy.

433 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:26:27am

re: #402 buzzsawmonkey

Consider this, people: liberty depends upon the existence of privacy. The Fourth Amendment restrictions against "unreasonable searches and seizures" are predicated on the presumption that the government cannot invade your private life without good cause, shown before a judge. But anything that is public is not covered by such protections, because--well, because it is public. If a policeman is selling tickets to the policeman's ball and sees your coke stash in plain sight, he doesn't need a warrant to arrest you.

So consider, if you will, the consequences of voluntarily making the intimate details of your life public online. You have just taken that information out of the zone of privacy; it is no longer legally immune from unwarranted government intrusion. You are throwing away the foundation stone upon which the edifice of liberty rests.

People look with horror on the spying telescreens Orwell depicted in 1984. Usually, they cite the telescreens when they raise outcries over such things as government security cameras. What they do not realize, however, is that they are privately, personally, and of their own volition creating a "telescreen" network the more they place the details of their own lives voluntarily online.

I couldn't agree more!

Plus, I don't want anyone to see the Power Rangers on my pajamas.

434 ggt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:27:20am

So, I just spent some time on Facebook, and really felt it was a waste.

Now I have to start my day.

have a great one all!

435 JamesTKirk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:28:11am

re: #433 zombie

I couldn't agree more!

Plus, I don't want anyone to see the Power Rangers on my pajamas.

That was YOU?

436 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:30:07am

re: #431 Bobblehead

Not fun. I agree. Can't be avoided though. Sigh.

True. I usually wait until I have a few projects fully knitted and then take a week or so to do just do the finishing on all of them. There was a yarn store I used to go to that took in the pieces for knitters who just could not force themselves to finish. I think the owner made more money on that part of the business!

437 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:34:44am

re: #408 zombie

Eh -- I balk at that! There's no one on Earth I want to "know" on Facebook -- I just wanted to see what an actual Facebook page looks like.

Um, try this:

www.facebook.com/throbertmcgee

In theory, you should be able to view my Facebook profile and much of the content related to it, although you're not my FB "friend." (There are a few sections of my profile for which I've set the permissions such that only confirmed Facebook "friends" can view them -- e.g., photos of people other than myself.)

438 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:36:15am

re: #436 scottishbuzzsaw

True. I usually wait until I have a few projects fully knitted and then take a week or so to do just do the finishing on all of them. There was a yarn store I used to go to that took in the pieces for knitters who just could not force themselves to finish. I think the owner made more money on that part of the business!

I wish my shop offered that service. LOL

439 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:39:23am

re: #437 Throbert McGee

Um, try this:

www.facebook.com/throbertmcgee

In theory, you should be able to view my Facebook profile and much of the content related to it, although you're not my FB "friend." (There are a few sections of my profile for which I've set the permissions such that only confirmed Facebook "friends" can view them -- e.g., photos of people other than myself.)

Ooooh -- thanks! A facebook page!

But now help me! What do I do? I can click on the pictures of your "friends", but that just takes me off your page. How can I see anything on your page aside from your front page?

440 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:41:05am

I was going to comment(that is, before I got sidetracked on knitting)that I always got confused about the differences between MI5 and MI6. Then I started watching the British TV show "Spooks"(renamed MI5 for American audiences). I finally got a handle on their various mandates.

441 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:10:14pm

re: #439 zombie

Ooooh -- thanks! A facebook page!

But now help me! What do I do? I can click on the pictures of your "friends", but that just takes me off your page. How can I see anything on your page aside from your front page?

Um, do you see a row of tabs near the top of the page that says:

WALL INFO PHOTOS BOXES

"Wall" refers to the front page, but the other three will take you to additional content, such as my photo albums with pictures of Rugby the Rat and a scan of my souvenir ticket from Michael Jackson's 1993 concert in Moscow.

I work on the "I'm too goddamned poor and too lacking in any sense of shame for identity-thieves or blackmailers to bother preying on me" theory.

442 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:13:18pm

re: #441 Throbert McGee

Um, do you see a row of tabs near the top of the page that says:

WALL INFO PHOTOS BOXES

No.

Just a row of pictures of your "friends."

Here's what it says:

Rob McGee (Washington, DC)

Add Rob McGee as Friend%P%Send Rob McGee a Message%P%View Rob McGee's Friends

Here are some of Rob McGee's friends:

[pictures of friends]

Rob McGee is a fan of:

Music Politicians
Mss.
Sarah Palin

As always, I run up against a wall on nothingness and cannot see any further. Nothing I click on allows me to see anything beyond this page of yours.

443 AZDave  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:20:18pm
Britain's New Intelligence Chief Tied to Holocaust Denier

And this should be a surprise? The Brits have been notorious anti-Semites for years and years.

444 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:32:36pm

Zombie -- I took another look at the FB "privacy settings" page, and apparently I can't allow non-friends to view my full profile even if I want to -- I can only give the "general public" permission to see a very pared-down version of my profile, which is what you're seeing. Alternatively, I can block all the non-friended riffraff from seeing even the minimalist version -- meaning that even if you, as a non-friend, did a specific search for the name "Rob McGee", my profile wouldn't be returned among the hundreds of hits.

But if you have a safely pseudonymous and vague Facebook account set up, you can log in to that and send me a friend request, and I'll friend you.

445 AZDave  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:39:48pm

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have a cousin (insert family member) who is an asshole.

Made it a little more generic.

446 J.S.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:46:45pm

re: #442 zombie

did you try that link at the bottom which says "find friends"? that takes you to a search page, all you have to do is use the links to scroll around and you can browse through all the facebook pages...

447 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:47:40pm

re: #444 Throbert McGee

Zombie -- I took another look at the FB "privacy settings" page, and apparently I can't allow non-friends to view my full profile even if I want to -- I can only give the "general public" permission to see a very pared-down version of my profile, which is what you're seeing. Alternatively, I can block all the non-friended riffraff from seeing even the minimalist version -- meaning that even if you, as a non-friend, did a specific search for the name "Rob McGee", my profile wouldn't be returned among the hundreds of hits.

But if you have a safely pseudonymous and vague Facebook account set up, you can log in to that and send me a friend request, and I'll friend you.

I don't think I'm even seeing the "pared down" profile. The quoted text I gave in the previous comment was the entirety of what I can see. I can't seem to get "into" your profile to see the content (which has always been my problem with Facebook) -- even minimalist content. The only links that do anything are the "friends" photos, but those take me to their front pages, which are similarly impenetrable.

448 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:50:16pm

re: #446 J.S.

did you try that link at the bottom which says "find friends"? that takes you to a search page, all you have to do is use the links to scroll around and you can browse through all the facebook pages...

But what would I search for?

449 J.S.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:52:43pm

re: #448 zombie

Oh, you just browse around...try the "Z" entry, for example, and you'll see a Zoolander page (they have a "forum" set up, etc.)

450 AZDave  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:08:02pm

re: #300 buzzsawmonkey

My father used to get asked whether he "regretted" having worked on the Manhattan Project.

His invariable answer was, "Yes. I regret we did not get the bomb done in time to drop it on Germany."

Good for him!

451 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:29:26pm

re: #449 J.S.

Oh, you just browse around...try the "Z" entry, for example, and you'll see a Zoolander page (they have a "forum" set up, etc.)

Again, I must be missing something. If I click on the "Find Friends" or "search" links, I still don't see any way to "browse around" nor do I see how to "all you have to do is use the links to scroll around." What links? Where is the "Z" entry? There is a search box, but I don't know anyone to search for -- nor know why I would do so. If I type in "Z" in the search box, I don't get to any page that lists Zoolander, just some strange random people with z as their names, whose front pages are once again blank walls.

Round and round I go...time to give up!

452 J.S.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 2:16:23pm

re: #451 zombie

Ok. Go to the bottom of the page which Throbert linked to...you'll see "Find Friends". Click on this link. This takes you to a search page. Now you have to scroll down this page -- look for "Browse by Name"...there you'll see the alphabet "A B C ... Z" Click on Z. Then, you'll see a list of "Z entries", but up you'll also see some tabs (the tabs read:"People, Pages, Applications, Groups"...Click on the "Group" tab...then look for the entry: "Zoolander's Center for Ridiculously Good-looking People Who Can Read Good Too"...

453 zombie  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 2:51:15pm

re: #452 J.S.

Ok. Go to the bottom of the page which Throbert linked to...you'll see "Find Friends". Click on this link. This takes you to a search page. Now you have to scroll down this page -- look for "Browse by Name"...there you'll see the alphabet "A B C ... Z" Click on Z. Then, you'll see a list of "Z entries", but up you'll also see some tabs (the tabs read:"People, Pages, Applications, Groups"...Click on the "Group" tab...then look for the entry: "Zoolander's Center for Ridiculously Good-looking People Who Can Read Good Too"...

Sorry -- there is no such "Browse by Name" link on my Facebook search page. I've tried every which way.

Don't worry about it. I officially give up trying to decipher Facebook!

454 jordash1212  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 7:14:29pm

Who cares?

455 ardentcapitalist  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 8:26:38pm

Seriously? Really? For f's sake this headline is just pathetic. I'm about as conservative as conservative can come, and yet, my best friend is my uncle... a guy who has "IBEW for Obama/Biden" bumper sticker on his truck. We drink beer, we talk politics, we share our family's love of fine working, and just generally enjoy spirited debate (ESPECIALLY over a few fine ales), and generally argue a lot... and yet, it goes on.

The first thing that came to my mind when I saw this topic was from the ever so fantastic movie, Spaceballs.

"Before you die there is something you should know about us, Lone Star."

"What?"

"I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate. "

Seriously, if having minor-yet-somewhat-close connections to folks with whacko political views (not to say my uncle is a wacko... but I certainly cannot agree with him on much) makes you a threat... then I think we all should mark ourselves as threats.

456 Flavia  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:20:22pm

re: #34 apachegunner

I think the girl lizards should [skinnydip in the choklit river]!

Good thing I'm a grown woman Lizard, then...

457 jordash1212  Tue, Jul 7, 2009 7:10:00am

re: #455 ardentcapitalist

Agreed.

458 gandalf.il  Tue, Jul 7, 2009 10:54:50am

re: #5 SixDegrees

I agree. You don't choose the family your born into, and you don't choose your in-laws.


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