Sen. Cornyn Booed, Called a ‘Traitor’ at Austin Tea Party

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When Sen. John Cornyn took the stage at the July 4th Tea Party in Austin, Texas, he was booed and called a “traitor” and “the problem,” because he voted for the Wall Street bailout last year.

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UPDATE at 7/6/09 11:03:20 am:

Apparently, at the tea party in Washington DC there were plenty of Paulians in attendance.

If anything, most of those in attendance Saturday seemed to be independents or libertarians of the Ron Paul slant; Congressman Paul’s book ‘The Revolution’ was promoted widely on vendor stands at the event.

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627 comments
1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:58:01am

We need to teach kids the definition of “traitor.” It’s being misused.

2 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:58:51am

Ron Paul!

3 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:59:03am

re: #1 EmmmieG

We need to teach kids the definition of “traitor.” It’s being misused.

Maybe they can compare him to a “Nazi”.

Oh yeah - that is what the left does.

4 soxfan4life  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:59:10am

Booing a Republican Senator, that should give the tea parties some legitimacy with the left and the MSM. Look for more press coverage at the next round.

5 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:00:04am

Pick your battles people.
Cornyn isn’t the enemy.

6 Ron Bacardi  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:00:14am

What a bunch of idiots. I sympathize with the Tea Parties, but those events are just asking to be influenced extremists and overall irrational dolts that undermine the true ideals of the Parties.

7 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:00:21am

Antithetical to the small government movement? Absolutely.
Opposed to limiting government? Surely.

Traitor? Hardly.

You can’t be a traitor for having a partisan policy difference. Traitor has a specific meaning, and sorry, but deciding to approve/vote for legislation is not traitorous. It may be dumb, but Cornyn isn’t a traitor for doing that.

Besides, if his constituents don’t like his choices, they have a choice too. Vote him out of office.

8 Ron Bacardi  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:00:45am

re: #5 Shug

Precisely.

9 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:01:37am

I went to the first round of tea parties just to check it out. Ron Paul freaks and Alex Jones kooks. And the democracts passing by in cars gave everyone the finger. Then I had beer.

10 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:02:05am

Heh. Good for them. It’s a special kind of contempt for the people that is exhibited when a Republican can dare to pounce on a Tea Party venue and attempt to lap up kudos, while at the same time vote and support the truly horrific economic policies of this government.

11 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:02:49am

Purge!

12 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:03:26am

Apparently, at the tea party in Washington DC there were plenty of Paulians in attendance.

If anything, most of those in attendance Saturday seemed to be independents or libertarians of the Ron Paul slant; Congressman Paul’s book ‘The Revolution’ was promoted widely on vendor stands at the event.

13 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:04:27am

re: #1 EmmmieG

We need to teach kids the definition of “traitor.” It’s being misused.

Indeed.

Adam Gadahn is a traitor. He is fighting against the USA; having taken up arms with al Qaeda to wage jihad against the USA.

Cornyn isn’t a traitor for having a policy difference with other Americans. Plain and simple.

“Traitor” has lost all meaning because of its overuse in circumstances that do not require or fit its definition, which is explicitly stated in the US Constitution.

Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

14 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:04:50am

“Rep. Cornyn”?

15 Racer X  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:05:20am

I’m thinking America has bigger problems than Tea Parties.

Politicians in California can’t figure out why spending more money than you take in is a bad thing. Washington is following this same failed business model for the entire country.

Hello? Does anyone see the freight train speeding in this direction? In 20 years a lot of folks are going to be saying “dammit, we should have listened to them”. Instead we are focusing on who else is in the crowd.

I don’t get it.

16 alegrias  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:05:31am

re: #14 OldLineTexan

“Rep. Cornyn”?

re: #14 OldLineTexan

“Rep. Cornyn”?

* * * *
He’s been demoted.

17 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:05:51am

re: #12 Charles

Apparently, at the tea party in Washington DC there were plenty of Paulians in attendance.

2000 people.

2000 people……in Washington DC ……for a planned protest.

Sorry but You can get 200000 people in DC to celebrate national constipation week or to protest Milk expiration dating.

2000 is a joke

18 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:06:13am

re: #12 Charles

Apparently, at the tea party in Washington DC there were plenty of Paulians in attendance.

His kookiness is being whitewashed and overlooked by those who are truly pissed at the direction our government is driving our country. His more sound anti-government ideas are finding sympathetic ears. This is the reaction to the extremism currently in control.

19 soxfan4life  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:06:17am

re: #15 Racer X

I’m thinking America has bigger problems than Tea Parties.

Politicians in California can’t figure out why spending more money than you take in is a bad thing. Washington is following this same failed business model for the entire country.

Hello? Does anyone see the freight train speeding in this direction? In 20 years a lot of folks are going to be saying “dammit, we should have listened to them”. Instead we are focusing on who else is in the crowd.

I don’t get it.

Damn racist redneck teabaggers.///////

20 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:06:17am

re: #10 Russkilitlover

Heh. Good for them. It’s a special kind of contempt for the people that is exhibited when a Republican can dare to pounce on a Tea Party venue and attempt to lap up kudos, while at the same time vote and support the truly horrific economic policies of this government.

From an AP article:

n Austin, Cornyn was booed at the start and close of his remarks critical of federal spending and taxes. Cornyn, a Republican invited by organizers to speak, drew some boos for voting for the federal bailout of Wall Street last year.
21 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:06:39am

re: #16 alegrias

I never get these memos.

Well, if he was booed by Paulians (and only a couple of hundred at that, since these things were supposedly lightly attended), big whoop.

/

22 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:07:05am

re: #13 lawhawk

Don’t they mean traitor to the party, not the country?

“Traitor” is still harsh.

23 alegrias  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:07:14am

re: #15 Racer X

I’m thinking America has bigger problems than Tea Parties.

Politicians in California can’t figure out why spending more money than you take in is a bad thing. Washington is following this same failed business model for the entire country.

Hello? Does anyone see the freight train speeding in this direction? In 20 years a lot of folks are going to be saying “dammit, we should have listened to them”. Instead we are focusing on who else is in the crowd.

I don’t get it.


* * * *
Naw, naw, naw,

California is brilliantly cashin’ in on the Michael Jackson economic boom, to cover its 25 Billion dollar deficit.

Tax the Jacksons!

24 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:07:24am

re: #1 EmmmieG

We need to teach kids the definition of “traitor.” It’s being misused.

That’s about as likely as teaching everyone the proper use of the word “fascist.”

25 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:07:29am

He should be bood for wearing that tiny white cowboy hat.

26 Salem  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:07:32am

Yeah, they have to stop all those free citizens into the tea parties.

27 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:07:50am

re: #12 Charles
Along with White Supremacist musical entertainment…..
Controversial Patriot-Militia Rock Band Headlines Tea Party Event In Nation’s Capital

Yet, the most notable and questionable presence was that of controversial patriot/militia rock band Pokerface. Described by the ADL as an “anti-government, anti-immigrant, conspiracy-promoting rock music band, helmed by “virulent anti-semite: Paul Topete”

28 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:08:12am

I have serious reservations about the fall bailouts, but calling Cornyn a traitor? Way over the top. Sounds Paulian.

29 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:08:21am

re: #12 Charles

Apparently, at the tea party in Washington DC there were plenty of Paulians in attendance.

It surprises me that I see so many Paulian bumper stickers in Indiana…
The GOP in Indiana have jumped off the cliff

30 Outrider  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:08:24am

re: #16 alegrias

* * * *
He’s been demoted.

“Rep. Cornyn Booed, Called a ‘Traitor’ at Austin Tea Party”

I seem to recall him being a Senator?

31 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:09:55am

“Treason” is now what one can call anything and anyone which one doesn’t like.

/idiots and assholes abound

32 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:09:57am

re: #15 Racer X

I’m thinking America has bigger problems than Tea Parties.

Yes and no. We do need to get back to fiscal responsibility right now- and that’s why these kooks and crypto-fascists are such a problem. They’re mainstreaming their weirdo thoughts and taking attention away from the real issue.

We don’t need to go after the Federal Reserve- this is a problem with Congressional spending. Shame on these politicos pushing this Fed stuff- they know what the problem is. They see it in the mirror every day.

You want to audit something? Audit Congress.

33 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:10:41am

Charles-
I’m not sure what your problem is with citizens protesting a supposed “Republican” in full sell-out mode.

These people are right, and Cornyn is fooling no one with his folksy cowboy hat. As much as Ron paul is a kook, he’s a a kook only half of the time, and he’s right about the left and the right joining hands in strangling the American taxpayers

34 JustABill  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:10:49am

re: #15 Racer X

I’m thinking America has bigger problems than Tea Parties.

Politicians in California can’t figure out why spending more money than you take in is a bad thing. Washington is following this same failed business model for the entire country.

Hello? Does anyone see the freight train speeding in this direction? In 20 years a lot of folks are going to be saying “dammit, we should have listened to them”. Instead we are focusing on who else is in the crowd.

I don’t get it.

You analogy is a bit out of date. We had a freight train coming under Bush. Now, we got a High-Speed Maglev Bullet Train. YEA Change!

35 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:11:03am

re: #12 Charles

Apparently, at the tea party in Washington DC there were plenty of Paulians in attendance.

Considering it is DC I am not surprised with the kookery.

36 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:12:10am

re: #29 HoosierHoops

It surprises me that I see so many Paulian bumper stickers in Indiana…
The GOP in Indiana have jumped off the cliff

I rarely see Ron Paul! stickers here in Texas, but there’s a guy in my town that still has his 4’ x 8’ “Ron Paul for President 2008” sign up (he owns a bed and breakfast). Guy’s a kook and a crank.

37 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:12:57am

re: #35 FurryOldGuyJeans

Considering it is DC I am not surprised with the kookery.

DC’s full of kooks. Unfortunately, many of them roam the halls of Congress.

38 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:13:06am

GAZE

39 Outrider  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:13:11am

re: #31 pre-Boomer Marine brat

“Treason” is now what one can call anything and anyone which one doesn’t like.

/idiots and assholes abound

according to Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary.
1 : one who betrays another’s trust or is false to an obligation or duty

But the word has for sure been overused.

40 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:13:25am

re: #33 strangelove

Charles-
I’m not sure what your problem is with citizens protesting a supposed “Republican” in full sell-out mode.

These people are right, and Cornyn is fooling no one with his folksy cowboy hat. As much as Ron paul is a kook, he’s a a kook only half of the time, and he’s right about the left and the right joining hands in strangling the American taxpayers


What? There are kook stats now….
Well he is only a kook 49% of the time so he is OK….
jeez…..

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:13:40am

re: #1 EmmmieG

We need to teach kids the definition of “traitor.” It’s being misused.

Yup. “Traitor” does not mean “person who did something I disagreed with”.

42 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:13:40am

Ron Paul scares me, but he scares me a lot less than Pelosi and Obama

43 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:13:59am

re: #36 Ward Cleaver

I rarely see Ron Paul! stickers here in Texas, but there’s a guy in my town that still has his 4’ x 8’ “Ron Paul for President 2008” sign up (he owns a bed and breakfast). Guy’s a kook and a crank.

I have yet to see one in Western WA, but then I am overwhelmed with the dearth of Obama signage 6 months in.

44 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:14:42am

re: #22 Ben Hur

Traitor to the party? That’s a good one since the GOP has been for big spending pretty much since just after the class of 1994. That was pretty much the last time that fiscal responsibility was in vogue for the GOP.

They became entrenched and comfortable in the perks of governance. Gluttony, sloth, greed… you name it, and the GOP did it - with gusto.

Now, they’re reaping what they’ve sown.

45 wiffersnapper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:15:10am

Ronulans are the big reason no one attends or reports on Tea Parties. No Ronulans, no problem.

46 kansas  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:15:19am

re: #43 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have yet to see one in Western WA, but then I am overwhelmed with the dearth of Obama signage 6 months in.

I don’t think anyone around here takes Obama stickers off their expensive SUV’s. I guess they fail to see the irony.

47 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:15:51am

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

Yup. “Traitor” does not mean “person who did something I disagreed with”.

And dissent is getting a redefinition now that Obama is in office.

48 Outrider  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:15:54am

re: #43 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have yet to see one in Western WA, but then I am overwhelmed with the dearth of Obama signage 6 months in.

i see a few here in Coastal Georgia. They all seem to be made of cardboard and magic marker.

49 soxfan4life  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:16:12am

re: #46 kansas

I don’t think anyone around here takes Obama stickers off their expensive SUV’s. I guess they fail to see the irony.


It’s still a badge of honor for them.

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:16:20am

re: #12 Charles

Apparently, at the tea party in Washington DC there were plenty of Paulians in attendance.

I have no dog in this fight, but how relevent is it that the book was on sale? Every left-leaning event in the country has Bob Avakian’s people hawking his ‘New Synthesis’, but the overwhelming number of people at the event have no idea who Avakian is, and they’re not Communists, let alone Avakianites.

51 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:16:21am

re: #42 Shug

Ron Paul scares me, but he scares me a lot less than Pelosi and Obama

Great new avatar, Shug. Traficant always posted his “Beam me up” speeches on his Web site. Hilarious.

52 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:16:31am

re: #42 Shug

Ron Paul scares me, but he scares me a lot less than Pelosi and Obama

What scares me most about ron paul is people on the right that don’t see the problem with ron paul.

53 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:16:31am

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

Yup. “Traitor” does not mean “person who did something I disagreed with”.

Exactly. There are many other wonderful words out there one can use to mean “person who did something I disagreed with”, starting with “fucktard”, “asshole”, jerk”, dipstick”, etc, depending on the severity. Use one of those, not “traitor”.

54 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:16:44am

re: #48 Outrider

i see a few here in Coastal Georgia. They all seem to be made of cardboard and magic marker.

I used to see lots of yard signs and bumper stickers, yet now they are a rareity.

55 mobaby  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:16:58am

I have been to a few tea parties in Houston and my feeling is that it is a dying movement. I think a juggernaut of deficit spending unparalleled in the history of the world will continue our way, along with a government health care system, and a huge tax increase on Energy. The tea party movement, nor anything else, is going to stop this. The tea party movement is populated with a number of people in Houston - Ayn Rand enthusiasts, Ron Paulians, black conservatives (Raging elephants dot org), John Birchers, and others who may be or may not be interested in the same things. I went out of fear of economic collapse in the US precipitated by unsound economic practices - but the movement lacks focus or direction and has a lot of people latching on for their own causes. The speakers were uninteresting, the crowd uninspired, and the future direction unclear. People don’t care and won’t care - get your own economics in order, make plans for your personal future should the economy continue to sink, plan for your own well being - this is all we can do. Don’t waste time any more on tea parties or arguing against this or that in politics, these things just have to play out. The rising economic star is China - keep your eyes on that powerhouse, for they are about to explode with prosperity and further become the center of the world.

56 kynna  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:17:19am

re: #32 Sharmuta

Yes and no. We do need to get back to fiscal responsibility right now- and that’s why these kooks and crypto-fascists are such a problem. They’re mainstreaming their weirdo thoughts and taking attention away from the real issue.

We don’t need to go after the Federal Reserve- this is a problem with Congressional spending. Shame on these politicos pushing this Fed stuff- they know what the problem is. They see it in the mirror every day.

You want to audit something? Audit Congress.

When they talk about ‘auditing the fed’ I think that’s what most people hear: ‘Audit Congress’. It would be nice if we had a media that actually explained things objectively rather than advocating positions and parties. Seems overwhelming to both get people jazzed about demanding better government and educating them about the smooth talking, already-jazzed kook who’s ready and only too willing to run the show.

57 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:17:25am

re: #35 FurryOldGuyJeans

Considering it is DC I am not surprised with the kookery.

I was in DC when they had their Democratic Presidential Primary last time around. I was utterly depressed with the abandon with which Obama was regarded by they people who administer this nation’s affairs. Blind adoration for someone who was only a symbol. No experience necessary.

That is what makes up your federal government, and there is so much “progressive” momentum within the government that the only policy set that will change its course is one that has massive layoffs at its core.

58 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:17:34am

The only reason to put on events like this is in order to build an organization. The organization being built here is not the Republican Party. There may be other organizations worthy of being built, but I highly doubt the tea party organizers are working on one I want to support. Every national tea party website I have seen has links to Buchanan, Paul, and other unsavories.

59 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:17:53am

re: #52 Sharmuta

What scares me most about ron paul is people on the right that don’t see the problem with ron paul.

he’s nuts but ( thankfully ) powerless.

how he keeps getting elected blows my lind

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:18:11am

re: #39 Outrider

according to Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary.
1 : one who betrays another’s trust or is false to an obligation or duty

But the word has for sure been overused.

I wouldn’t object to it being used in the limited party sense, except that these days it so easily seems to turn into an accusation of treason to country.

61 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:18:29am

re: #39 Outrider

according to Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary.
1 : one who betrays another’s trust or is false to an obligation or duty

But the word has for sure been overused.

Yeah, I just double-checked that in my ancient-and-non-stylish paper dictionary here.

Still, a legislator doesn’t “betray trust” by voting for legislation which one doesn’t like. He/she is supposed to exercise judgement, and that does make this an “over-use”.

62 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:18:42am

Traitor is not the word I would use. Try cowardly Obama appeaser. That’s better.

63 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:19:14am

re: #57 karmic_inquisitor

I would rather have lazy, grumpy cynics administering government than morally determined ideologues.

64 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:19:16am

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

I have no dog in this fight, but how relevent is it that the book was on sale? Every left-leaning event in the country has Bob Avakian’s people hawking his ‘New Synthesis’, but the overwhelming number of people at the event have no idea who Avakian is, and they’re not Communists, let alone Avakianites.

Very relevant, because in many states, Ron Paul activists are also deeply involved in every aspect of planning the tea parties.

65 soxfan4life  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:19:45am

re: #59 Shug

he’s nuts but ( thankfully ) powerless.

how he keeps getting elected blows my lind


Why, Kennedy,Kerry, Barney Frank, have been doing it for years. Every person in Congress is a crooked bum and needs to be voted out of office, except for my guy, he’s just misunderstood.

66 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:20:01am

re: #59 Shug

he’s nuts but ( thankfully ) powerless.

how he keeps getting elected blows my lind

I think too many chemicals from the huge Dow plant in Freeport have seeped into the water down there.

67 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:20:55am

Read something interesting in Thomas Sowell’s book “Basic Economics”. His observation is that government can’t raise or lower “taxes”. It can only raise or lower “tax rates”.

It took me a bit to realize what he was saying. When a government official says we’re going to cut taxes by $400 billion, or we can generate the revenue needed by “taxing the rich”, he or she has his or her head up his or her (well, you get the PC point) ass.

It’s because people change their behavior based on the “tax rate” situation. When we lowered capital gains tax “rates”, the Treasury saw an increase in revenue, because investors recognized that investing in companies was going to be profitable. Conversely, when we raised tax “rates”, Treasury saw a decrease in revenue, as investors turned to tax-free options like tax-free muni’s, etc.

To go back to the government official, or the CBO for example, there’s no way to calculate how much revenue will be gained or lost - in real dollars. The only thing they have to go by is what has happened in the past. When real figures are attached to proposals, you know they’re blowing smoke.

In other words, Mr. Obama: Cut “tax rates” - both corporate and personal. Because we’ve seen what happens when you do that, and we’ve seen what happens when you raise ‘em.

68 Outrider  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:21:14am

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

I wouldn’t object to it being used in the limited party sense, except that these days it so easily seems to turn into an accusation of treason to country.

you are right. It is frequently used out of context.

69 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:21:17am

I hear Johnny Depp will be playing The Mad Paulian at Alice’s Tea Party. /

70 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:21:40am

The Birchers and their friends are coming out of the wood work. They need to go back to the fringe where they belong.

71 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:21:44am

re: #12 Charles

Hey Charles-

How about going to their site and informing yourself instead of just parroting what some website says? Their music actually sounds pretty good. It’s skinhead, or neo-anything. Just go listen to it…

You seem hypersensitive lately to people who voice real distaste with what our government is doing to us. These guys (Pokerface) don’t seem as threatening to me as the policies they are resisting.

72 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:21:52am

my wacky chiropractor cousin is a big paulian.

sends me all kilds of links like how Diet Coke is killing the planet and immunizations are dangerous.

Ron Paul seems to attract crazy people

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:21:55am

re: #64 Charles

Very relevant, because in many states, Ron Paul activists are also deeply involved in every aspect of planning the tea parties.

OK, fair enough.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:23:02am

re: #70 Sharmuta

The Birchers and their friends are coming out of the wood work. They need to go back to the fringe where they belong.

My dad was talking the other day about how he used to go and hang out at the Bircher bookstore after work as a teenager. He liked military history and they had cool stuff. He had no idea who/what they were.

75 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:23:19am

re: #59 Shug

he’s nuts but ( thankfully ) powerless.

how he keeps getting elected blows my lind

Getting re-elected gives him power.

RP is morphing into the right-wing equivalent of Obama, someone who espouses the most absurd populist reactionary garbage, and people are eating it up.

76 J.S.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:23:38am

re: #12 Charles

CNN had a reporter “on location” (I believe it was D.C.), and the “protesters” behind the reporter were all holding up Ron Paul signs, along with a sign stating: “9/11 was an Inside Job”…

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:23:41am

re: #72 Shug

my wacky chiropractor cousin is a big paulian.

sends me all kilds of links like how Diet Coke is killing the planet and immunizations are dangerous.

Ron Paul seems to attract crazy people

I thought it was Coke Zero that Venezuela banned?

78 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:23:42am

I see at least two meltdowns coming; a quickie, and a long, slow burn that may not flame out today.

79 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:23:46am

The Society for the Preservation of Wooden Toilet Seats…

aka The Birch John Society.

80 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:24:05am

re: #52 Sharmuta

What scares me most about ron paul is people on the right that don’t see the problem with ron paul.

How many know about his associations with anti-Semites?

81 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:24:10am

re: #59 Shug

he’s nuts but ( thankfully ) powerless.

how he keeps getting elected blows my lind

Hi Shug!
Just take a second and think about if Ron Paul was the POTUS….
What financial crises… No more fed and fuck the US treasury…no no worries there….Every dept would be outlawed it seems… Dept. of Education..(gone)
Taxes (gone) …The list is long…
I believe as an American we reform our Government…Not destroy it….
/I know that was a simple reply

82 Racer X  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:24:45am

re: #52 Sharmuta

What scares me most about ron paul is people on the right that don’t see the problem with ron paul.

Uncle Ron is a wackjob.

But your brother in-law Barack? That dude is seriously out to take everything you own and give it to someone else. And the freedom you enjoy now? Naw. You don’t need it. Big government will decide what freedom and how much you get.

And don’t get me started on aunt Nancy and cousin Barney.

83 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:24:50am

re: #67 subsailor68

Read something interesting in Thomas Sowell’s book “Basic Economics”. His observation is that government can’t raise or lower “taxes”. It can only raise or lower “tax rates”.

It took me a bit to realize what he was saying. When a government official says we’re going to cut taxes by $400 billion, or we can generate the revenue needed by “taxing the rich”, he or she has his or her head up his or her (well, you get the PC point) ass.

It’s because people change their behavior based on the “tax rate” situation. When we lowered capital gains tax “rates”, the Treasury saw an increase in revenue, because investors recognized that investing in companies was going to be profitable. Conversely, when we raised tax “rates”, Treasury saw a decrease in revenue, as investors turned to tax-free options like tax-free muni’s, etc.

To go back to the government official, or the CBO for example, there’s no way to calculate how much revenue will be gained or lost - in real dollars. The only thing they have to go by is what has happened in the past. When real figures are attached to proposals, you know they’re blowing smoke.

In other words, Mr. Obama: Cut “tax rates” - both corporate and personal. Because we’ve seen what happens when you do that, and we’ve seen what happens when you raise ‘em.

I have read about half of the book. If you remember, California wanted to start taxing on miles driven instead of gas purchased because they were losing tax revenue when people conserved. I think they are trying the same thing in Iowa.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:25:00am

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

My dad was talking the other day about how he used to go and hang out at the Bircher bookstore after work as a teenager. He liked military history and they had cool stuff. He had no idea who/what they were.

Although he has spent much of his adult life being a threat to Communists everywhere, so perhaps some of their less toxic ideology did rub off.
/

85 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:25:03am

What Would William F. Buckley Do?

86 badger1970  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:25:21am

Congress will never cut spending. There is no sanity left in DC. Congress ignores basic principles of macro-economics, puts unrelated pork in bills, has huge pensions, staff, and perks. They’re addicted to it. Kinds of a like an adult who continues to mooch off of his parents.

Cornyn is one of the good guys. Effing wacky asshats and for some reason I can’t blame loco Austin hippies for the behavior.

I’m just frustrated that nothing can be done to prevent a disproportionate amount of my hard earned money from going to DC when in fact that I can use a huge bailout. I’ve been working two jobs (thankful for both of them) and over 70 hours a week for the past two years slowing climbing out of debt and yet, why do I even bother if it’s going all for naught.

87 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:25:56am

re: #71 strangelove

Are you seriously going to defend antisemites here?

88 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:25:56am

re: #82 Racer X

The enemies of Liberty come in many guises.

89 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:26:17am

re: #71 strangelove

Hey Charles-

How about going to their site and informing yourself instead of just parroting what some website says? Their music actually sounds pretty good. It’s skinhead, or neo-anything. Just go listen to it…

You seem hypersensitive lately to people who voice real distaste with what our government is doing to us. These guys (Pokerface) don’t seem as threatening to me as the policies they are resisting.

Are you fucking nuts?

90 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:26:31am

re: #71 strangelove

What harm can a few nazis do?

91 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:27:00am

re: #80 MandyManners

How many know about his associations with anti-Semites?

I suspect most never dig that deep.

92 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:27:07am

I wonder -

What would have ended up empowering Obama more:

1) A reaction to the financial meltdown that kept the system intact and great public expense and put the panic at an end, or

2) A reaction that let the wildfire run its course, cleaned out all of the weak players but had a the panic spread well into households making more financial institutions and financial instruments insolvent.

Bush took option #1. It handed to Obama a lot of power over banks, but would he have gotten greater power from a complete meltdown? As it stands now, we had a bounce off the bottom with some confidence restored while people are also becoming more skeptical of his policies. Rahm Emanuel spoke of how important it was to exploit the crisis. i think they would have gotten more power out of a deeper crises. If we now “double dip” the second dip will be at Obama’s feet, which will end up costing him more power.

Bush et al may have made the right choice, IMO.

93 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:27:10am

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Are you seriously going to defend antisemites here?

It’s on my friend…..
Hi KT!

94 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:27:39am

re: #85 Sharmuta

What Would William F. Buckley Do?

He’s spinning.

95 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:28:08am

re: #89 MandyManners

Are you fucking nuts?

Obviously he is or else he wouldn’t be doing what he is doing.

96 alegrias  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:28:16am

re: #64 Charles

Very relevant, because in many states, Ron Paul activists are also deeply involved in every aspect of planning the tea parties.

* * * *
Tea Party for me but not for Tehranis? Busted again, loser Paul supporters.

Sorry, Ron Paul’s isolationist idiocy feeds terrorism.

97 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:28:19am

re: #89 MandyManners

Are you fucking nuts?

To give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he left out a “not”, as in “not skinhead”. But I’ll let him answer.

98 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:28:38am

re: #91 Ward Cleaver

I suspect most never dig that deep.

If I ever meet any, I’ll be sure to tell them to do a simple Google.

99 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:28:47am

re: #94 MandyManners

He’s spinning.

Furiously.

100 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:28:48am

re: #71 strangelove

You can call him Chuck. It’s cool.
/

101 Macker  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:29:06am

re: #7 lawhawk

10,000 updings!

102 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:29:09am

re: #76 J.S.

CNN had a reporter “on location” (I believe it was D.C.), and the “protesters” behind the reporter were all holding up Ron Paul signs, along with a sign stating: “9/11 was an Inside Job“…

Shit, when will that truther crap ever stop?

103 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:29:15am

re: #98 MandyManners

If I ever meet any, I’ll be sure to tell them to do a simple Google.

Tell them to Google “ron paul don black”.

104 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:29:17am

re: #95 Honorary Yooper

Obviously he is or else he wouldn’t be doing what he is doing.

Or, willfully ignorant.

105 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:29:20am

re: #64 Charles

Very relevant, because in many states, Ron Paul activists are also deeply involved in every aspect of planning the tea parties.

There is a strong parallel to the “anti-war” protests during the Bush years. Many different sorts of people showed up: liberals, Leftists, Democrats, pacifists, socialists, hippies and moonbats. But the organizing committees of these “peace marches” always included covert hard left groups like International Answer and others.

I see a similar phenomenon happening now: right wing extremist groups are using these Tea Parties to recruit new members, even if many of the people who show up have no idea who is really behind it.

106 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:29:39am

re: #83 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have read about half of the book. If you remember, California wanted to start taxing on miles driven instead of gas purchased because they were losing tax revenue when people conserved. I think they are trying the same thing in Iowa.

Oregon is doing it, and hardly a peep from the privacy advocates over the tracking going on. I remember seeing that, taxing on miles, being advocated at the Federal level as well.

Earlier I linked to an article where Missouri is looking at charging electric customers MORE for conserving.

107 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:29:48am

re: #85 Sharmuta

What Would William F. Buckley Do?

Stand athwart the tea parties yelling Stop!

108 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:30:11am

re: #97 Ward Cleaver

To give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he left out a “not”, as in “not skinhead”. But I’ll let him answer.

The totality of his post tells me all I need to know.

109 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:30:18am

re: #83 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have read about half of the book. If you remember, California wanted to start taxing on miles driven instead of gas purchased because they were losing tax revenue when people conserved. I think they are trying the same thing in Iowa.

Yes! Great example of people changing behavior as a result of tax policies.

I think I’ve mentioned before that in our town, the council decided to “penalize” folks who didn’t conserve water. Good basic idea, but one flaw. People said, “Okay, you got it.” Water revenue dropped dramatically, leaving a shortfall in the fund - an obvious result that our council folks had completely forgotten to take into consideration.

110 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:30:26am

re: #99 Ward Cleaver

Furiously.

Smokin’.

111 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:30:30am

re: #83 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have read about half of the book. If you remember, California wanted to start taxing on miles driven instead of gas purchased because they were losing tax revenue when people conserved. I think they are trying the same thing in Iowa.

CT keeps doing the same thing with tax on tobacco. Every time they raise the tax people stop smoking and they never get the money they project, so they have to raise it yet again. It is a vicious cycle because people either cut back or quit when the price goes up. You would think the government could figure that out.

112 Macker  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:30:40am

re: #92 karmic_inquisitor

Bush et al may have made the right choice, IMO.

And it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if, during said deliberations, President Bush prayed hard for forgiveness.

113 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:30:51am

re: #104 MandyManners

Or, willfully ignorant.

Or just plain no good.

114 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:31:18am

re: #103 Ward Cleaver

Tell them to Google “ron paul don black”.

Or, Lew Rockwell.

115 mobaby  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:31:25am

oh yeah, there was a “9/11 was an inside job” sign at the Houston Tea Party too. I have no idea who was behind it - I just avoided them as did most others. They had a huge banner. The crazy signs I would look at and then look at the person holding it, in the eyes, trying to see if I could see crazy in there. Tea Parties are a non-starter. People want more government - and that’s what we are going to get until the tide turns. No amount of “protesting” (if you can call this pathetic assembly that) is going to change the facts.

116 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:31:27am

I don’t have time for the tea parties.

I have to attend the Bilderberger protests and keep tabs on the illuminati meetings at Bohemian grove

/

117 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:31:30am

re: #102 Bobblehead

Shit, when will that truther crap ever stop?

When the Kennedy Assassination conspiracy crap stops, when the faked moon landing crap stops, when the blood libels stop.

In other words, it has a life of its own.

118 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:31:58am

re: #67 subsailor68

There is indeed a difference between the tax rates and the revenues raised by such taxes.

It goes to the heart of government raising revenues for its obligations. It can seek higher tax rates, but the revenues are expectations of what can be brought in. In a recession, we’re seeing the projections being off by a wide margin and it’s only going to get worse since government policies at the state and federal level only see the tax hiking side (raise the rates, hoping that revenues follow).

The problem is that revenues do not always follow tax rate hikes. All too many people assume that tax rate hikes result in increased revenues. This is most explicitly found in sin taxes, particularly tobacco taxes.

Raise the rate on tobacco high enough (and we’re already there in some states), and the revenues generated fall far short of projected returns because people simply aren’t buying tobacco products, which means that the revenues generated by the higher tax rates aren’t coming to pass.

The choice then is to further increase the tax rates or do nothing. The politicians raise the rates further, since those revenues are often tied to other programs - like SCHIP or health programs that lack other funding sources. So, when revenues drop, so to does the revenues that fund those programs.

Multiply that by the situation all around the country on a wide range of taxes imposed by states and localities and you see the depth of the mess facing the states and feds. They’ve built up a tax structure that can’t sustain itself.

119 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:32:12am

re: #104 MandyManners

Or, willfully ignorant.

Countdown to a flounce-off for him?

120 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:32:15am

re: #105 Kenneth

There is a strong parallel to the “anti-war” protests during the Bush years. Many different sorts of people showed up: liberals, Leftists, Democrats, pacifists, socialists, hippies and moonbats. But the organizing committees of these “peace marches” always included covert hard left groups like International Answer and others.

I see a similar phenomenon happening now: right wing extremist groups are using these Tea Parties to recruit new members, even if many of the people who show up have no idea who is really behind it.

Also, the MFM covered up for the Left’s crazy cousins. They won’t for the Right’s.

121 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:32:22am

re: #107 iceweasel

Stand athwart the tea parties yelling Stop!

That’s a must read.

122 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:32:24am

re: #67 subsailor68

Don’t forget: Obama has decided on a pro-inflation economic policy which essentially amounts to the same thing as taxing your savings. Any money you hold will be “taxed” by the effect of inflation reducing the value of that money. It’s coming.

123 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:32:25am

re: #106 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oregon is doing it, and hardly a peep from the privacy advocates over the tracking going on. I remember seeing that, taxing on miles, being advocated at the Federal level as well.

Earlier I linked to an article where Missouri is looking at charging electric customers MORE for conserving.


I read that. Backwards logic. And I would never have a GPS or any tracking devise on my truck. Hell, we have the toll bridge pass things here. I would never have that either.

124 alegrias  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:33:06am

re: #102 Bobblehead

Shit, when will that truther crap ever stop?

* * * *
C’mon, CodePink is also headquartered in DC.

Washington DC is equal opportunity for crazies headquarters.

125 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:33:10am
126 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:33:12am

re: #107 iceweasel

We need more stand athwarters!

127 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:33:15am

re: #117 Honorary Yooper

When the Kennedy Assassination conspiracy crap stops, when the faked moon landing crap stops, when the blood libels stop.

In other words, it has a life of its own.

What about the Lincoln Assassination crap? The conspiracy shi’ite is not a product of the 20th Century.

128 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:33:38am

re: #40 HoosierHoops

What I’m saying is that some of what RP makes sense (smaller government, etc) , but the he says it is goofy, and many of his other policies are buts.

Can’t you people here separate the wheat from the chaff, or are you just as monolithic as the liberal left?

in order for the GOP to ever have a chance again, we must clean house and put ourselves under real scrutiny. The Constitution and Founders intent is what is important.

129 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:33:41am

re: #118 lawhawk

Hi lawhawk! Giant up ding for ya, because you said it much better than I did!

:-)

130 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:34:03am

re: #121 Sharmuta

That’s a must read.

Indeed. I always link it when I quote Buckley for that very reason.

131 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:34:08am

re: #117 Honorary Yooper

When the Kennedy Assassination conspiracy crap stops, when the faked moon landing crap stops, when the blood libels stop.

In other words, it has a life of its own.

There’s always hope. I know, I expect way too much in the way of objective reasoning for the human race.

132 Spartacus50  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:34:09am

When will these Republican politicians learn that the miscreants at these Tea Parties are not the people that voted for them?

133 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:34:16am

re: #67 subsailor68

I remember a course in macro-econ where we would run the numbers on tax policies. An industrial economy has a “capacity” for taxation, and the tendency is for the economy to adjust to that capacity based on rates as you describe.

The interesting thing is that big jumps in productivity will skew the numbers and increase the capacity for taxation for a number of years afterward. the tendency is for government to exploit that and grow rates to capture that capacity quickly, which in turn kills off incentive to make the next productivity leap until the old equilibrium is restored.

We just had a 25 year run of some healthy productivity gains with the introduction of the microprocessor. With high tax rates, it will be very slow growth before we get the old equilibrium back. Hopefully that next productivity catalyst won’t be developed elsewhere, or our comparative household wealth will shrink relative to other countries pretty fast in the next cycle.

134 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:34:53am

re: #126 Kenneth

We need more stand athwarters!

And others to stand athwart them!

135 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:35:07am

re: #102 Bobblehead

Shit, when will that truther crap ever stop?

As soon as the mind control drugs are administered to all drinking water supplies and not just those in larger cities. /

136 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:35:42am

Chemtrails

137 Racer X  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:36:01am

Conservatives are in a rudderless boat. No one is stepping up to lead. These morons who are paulians, nirthers and troofers are taking advantage of this. This sucks. It is distracting.

Is there a way to collectively smack them upside the head and say ‘knock that stupid shit off and pay attention to the important stuff’?

138 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:36:06am

Here’s the kind of rancid hate speech spewed by Paul Topete of the band “Poker Face.”

We were labeled haters, racists, supremacists, anti-semites for just saying and posting the truth about the holoco$t, the domination of the African slave trade into the New World by Jewish merchants, Israel and NeoCons behind 9/11 events, Globalist forces shoving the North American Union and the Illegal alien Invasion down our throats etc … go to our politically incorrect forum board for yourselves, and read what is deemed by our overseers as News you shouldn’t View.

Lots more at the link. The ADL’s description of them as an “anti-government, anti-immigrant, conspiracy-promoting rock music band” was no exaggeration.

139 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:36:22am

re: #75 FurryOldGuyJeans

yeah, some of us are reacting to the Federal government placing a noose around our necks…pretty crazy, not wanting to pay trillions to own GM and AIG, huh?

140 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:37:01am

re: #116 Shug

I don’t have time for the tea parties.

I have to attend the Bilderberger protests and keep tabs on the illuminati meetings at Bohemian grove

/

You got a thang for that giant owl, dontcha’?

141 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:37:11am

re: #128 strangelove

What I’m saying is that some of what RP makes sense (smaller government, etc) , but the he says it is goofy, and many of his other policies are buts.

Can’t you people here separate the wheat from the chaff, or are you just as monolithic as the liberal left?

in order for the GOP to ever have a chance again, we must clean house and put ourselves under real scrutiny. The Constitution and Founders intent is what is important.


You people? You people?
Don’t worry pal..I can separate the wheat from the chaff..
You have been found wanting

142 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:37:37am

re: #113 wrenchwench

Or just plain no good.

I’m wondering if he’s gonna’ pop back in and explain.

143 Eowyn2  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:37:46am

I missed the 4th Tea Parties. I was in transit.
After reading the article, I have to ask why, if there were so many Ron Paul supporters, there were no quotes from said supporters. The quotes were about fiscal responsibility. I would also like to know what other books were being promoted at the rally’s?
The ANSWER crowed is still promoting books from 1970 (see Zombietime.)
Did the writers determine how many of Paul’s book actually sold at this shindig? If it were 50 books, that means 2.5% of the people bought Ron Paul books. If it were 1000 books and 50% of the people bought them, then I’d be more inclined to say that the tea party was dominated by Ron Paul supporters.

144 alegrias  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:37:46am

re: #132 Spartacus50

When will these Republican politicians learn that the miscreants at these Tea Parties are not the people that voted for them?

* * * *
What politician can resist a crowd? None! They’ll shake hands with anyone. Consider how Pres. Obama holds meetings with black only supporters—behind closed doors. Not every politician has that power to meet with unsavory groups secretly, as the President can.

Look at all the attention whores getting face time right now by jumping on the Michael Jackson craze!

145 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:37:51am
146 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:38:12am

re: #119 Honorary Yooper

Countdown to a flounce-off for him?

Looking at his karma, I’m wondering how he’s resisted this far.

147 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:38:21am

re: #138 Charles

The ADL’s description of them as an “anti-government, anti-immigrant, conspiracy-promoting rock music band” was no exaggeration.

They left out “untalented”.

148 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:38:23am

re: #71 strangelove

Hey Charles-

How about going to their site and informing yourself instead of just parroting what some website says? Their music actually sounds pretty good. It’s skinhead, or neo-anything. Just go listen to it…

Are you nuts?

Try reading a little bit of what that band promotes.

You seem hypersensitive lately to people who voice real distaste with what our government is doing to us.

Bite me.

149 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:38:27am

re: #116 Shug

I don’t have time for the tea parties.

I have to attend the Bilderberger protests and keep tabs on the illuminati meetings at Bohemian grove

/

I’d rather attend a Buildaburger protest and keep tabs on the mustard and onions on the Swiss.

150 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:38:35am

re: #139 strangelove

What’s crazy is the populist isolationist anti-semitic reactionary bull-shit that RP spews.

151 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:38:37am
We were labeled haters, racists, supremacists, anti-semites for just saying and posting the truth about the holoco$t, the domination of the African slave trade into the New World by Jewish merchants, Israel and NeoCons behind 9/11 events, Globalist forces shoving the North American Union and the Illegal alien Invasion down our throats etc … go to our politically incorrect forum board for yourselves, and read what is deemed by our overseers as News you shouldn’t View.

Alrighty then.

152 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:38:44am

re: #128 strangelove

Can’t you people here separate the wheat from the chaff, or are you just as monolithic as the liberal left?

We’re trying to separate the wheat from the chaff, but then we have to stop and deal with people whining and moaning that we’re discussing what’s wrong with ron paul and tea parties. It’s as if they don’t make the connection.

153 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:38:53am

re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar

I read that. Backwards logic. And I would never have a GPS or any tracking devise on my truck. Hell, we have the toll bridge pass things here. I would never have that either.

I worked driving a truck at a company that will remain nameless for two whole days because of tattlers. I stopped to eat lunch on day number 2 and got a call after 15 minutes asking why my truck hadn’t moved in the last 15 minutes. I turned in my keys that day.

154 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:38:55am

re: #138 Charles

Here’s the kind of rancid hate speech spewed by Paul Topete of the band “Poker Face.”


Lots more at the link. The ADL’s description of them as an “anti-government, anti-immigrant, conspiracy-promoting rock music band” was no exaggeration.

Wow. I think I’ve heard of them before. I think they might be Freepers (or were six or seven years ago).

I wonder if they still are.

155 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:38:59am

re: #125 buzzsawmonkey

Talkin’ ‘bout Boho Grove
Wo-ho-ho
Wo-ho, Boho Grove…

More than a few doobies to the wind.

156 Racer X  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:39:06am

re: #120 MandyManners

Also, the MFM covered up for the Left’s crazy cousins. They won’t for the Right’s.

Bang!

That right there is the crux of the matter. The left knew how to downplay or ignore the maroons. The MSM played along. Those on the right have a hard time ignoring the idiots standing next to them.

157 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:39:45am

re: #128 strangelove

What I’m saying is that some of what RP makes sense (smaller government, etc) , but the he says it is goofy, and many of his other policies are buts.

Can’t you people here separate the wheat from the chaff, or are you just as monolithic as the liberal left?

in order for the GOP to ever have a chance again, we must clean house and put ourselves under real scrutiny. The Constitution and Founders intent is what is important.

Yes, we should have smaller government, and not be drowned in debt by 0bama and others, but we shouldn’t jump on the Ron Paul! bandwagon.

158 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:39:59am

re: #146 MandyManners

Looking at his karma, I’m wondering how he’s resisted this far.

I’m expecting one in this thread from “strangelove”. Wonder if he posts at the duece under a different nic?

159 NonNativeTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:40:10am

Well, I doubt that the 37,000 in Dallas were majority
Ron Paul and truthers. I don’t expect any organizers
to post goons at every entrance and check credentials.

160 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:40:18am

re: #139 strangelove

yeah, some of us are reacting to the Federal government placing a noose around our necks…pretty crazy, not wanting to pay trillions to own GM and AIG, huh?

You might want to take a long look at No. 138.

161 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:41:17am

re: #157 Ward Cleaver

Yes, we should have smaller government, and not be drowned in debt by 0bama and others, but we shouldn’t jump on the Ron Paul! bandwagon.

Decapitating ourselves with Obama’s economics, or just slicing our jugular with RP’s. LOVELY choices.

162 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:41:34am

Just don’t think that paulians dominate the tea parties..they don’t.

Many real people, dems and repubs, who love their country and hate what Obama and the far left is doing to it are there telling the government exatly how they feel.

163 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:41:46am

re: #138 Charles

Holy crap! And I thought the Dixie Chicks were nuts. They’re a paragon of sanity next to this moron.

We were labeled haters, racists, supremacists, anti-semites for just saying and posting the truth…

Nah, not haters, racists, supremacists, anti-semites. More like, drugged out, moronic, ignorant, whacked out, completely insane freaks.

164 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:41:48am

re: #139 strangelove

Are you from the stalker site?

165 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:41:58am

re: #148 Charles

Bite me.

Are you sure he’s had all his shot?

166 alegrias  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:42:04am

re: #153 JohnnyReb

I worked driving a truck at a company that will remain nameless for two whole days because of tattlers. I stopped to eat lunch on day number 2 and got a call after 15 minutes asking why my truck hadn’t moved in the last 15 minutes. I turned in my keys that day.

* * * *
Maybe your trucking company ought to get the contract to keep Washington DC’s Metro trains moving safely without crashing into stationary trains!

Wow, you were working for Big Brother Trucker Co.

167 Eowyn2  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:42:07am

re: #106 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oregon is doing it, and hardly a peep from the privacy advocates over the tracking going on. I remember seeing that, taxing on miles, being advocated at the Federal level as well.

Earlier I linked to an article where Missouri is looking at charging electric customers MORE for conserving.

tax me for spending less, tax me for spending more, tax me, oh please tax me more.
I heard over the weekend that the state gvmts are looking at confiscating any unused dollars on gift cards because, well, its the governments money.

168 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:42:19am

re: #150 FurryOldGuyJeans

What’s crazy is the populist isolationist anti-semitic reactionary bull-shit that RP spews.

Say that fast five times.

169 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:42:41am

re: #159 NonNativeTexan

Well, I doubt that the 37,000 in Dallas were majority
Ron Paul and truthers. I don’t expect any organizers
to post goons at every entrance and check credentials.

Can you vouch for the 37,000 number? Some friends of ours (attorney from the Mid Cities and his family) attended, but I haven’t talked to them since then. They’re not Paulians, BTW.

170 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:42:43am

re: #133 karmic_inquisitor

This is a new era of the inventor impacting the world.

171 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:42:50am

re: #168 MandyManners

Say that fast five times.

I had trouble saying it ONCE. ;)

172 anchors_aweigh  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:42:50am

The problem is not free-speech. The problem is an increasingly tyrannical federal (and state, in some cases) government.

173 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:43:14am

re: #148 Charles

Bite me.

Ouch. Seen that before…

174 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:43:24am

re: #156 Racer X

Bang!

That right there is the crux of the matter. The left knew how to downplay or ignore the maroons. The MSM played along. Those on the right have a hard time ignoring the idiots standing next to them.

Perhaps because we have a scootch more intellectual honesty?

175 kansas  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:43:28am

I wish people would substitute “my opinion” for “the truth.”

176 alegrias  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:43:35am

re: #161 FurryOldGuyJeans

Decapitating ourselves with Obama’s economics, or just slicing our jugular with RP’s. LOVELY choices.

* * * *
As President Obama likes to say, that’s a false choice.

We have better choices.

177 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:43:47am

re: #165 MandyManners

Are you sure he’s had all his shot?

*spew* Alright, missy! You owe me a new keyboard!

178 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:44:01am

re: #158 Honorary Yooper

I’m expecting one in this thread from “strangelove”. Wonder if he posts at the duece under a different nic?

I ain’t looking.

179 NonNativeTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:44:03am

re: #169 Ward Cleaver

Can you vouch for the 37,000 number? Some friends of ours (attorney from the Mid Cities and his family) attended, but I haven’t talked to them since then. They’re not Paulians, BTW.

Read it in the morning news, county estimate. I’ll look for the
link.

180 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:44:04am

re: #172 anchors_aweigh


Exactly..and people are sick of it.

It is the education of instant news making people aware..and educated people are very hard to enslave

181 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:44:07am

re: #150 FurryOldGuyJeans

What’s crazy is the populist isolationist anti-semitic reactionary bull-shit that RP spews.

Populism is dangerous, imo. It’s not a good trend that it’s growing in popularity.

182 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:44:08am

re: #89 MandyManners

I just checked out Pokerface’s website. They have a lame video singing the praises of Ron Paul, links on the side bar to Alex Jones & the illuminati conspiracy and of course, 9-11 troofers.

So yes, the troll strangelove is indeed fucking nuts.

183 Eowyn2  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:44:14am

re: #151 Ben Hur

Alrighty then.

where do these idiots come up with this stuff?

184 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:44:44am

re: #148 Charles

Bite me.

You definitely have a way with words.

185 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:44:47am
186 Wendya  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:44:56am

re: #12 Charles

Apparently, at the tea party in Washington DC there were plenty of Paulians in attendance.

A disparate group of people but all with the same goal; to get Government out of their lives.

187 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:45:02am

re: #171 FurryOldGuyJeans

I had trouble saying it ONCE. ;)

I can imagine a bit of spittle.

188 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:45:09am

re: #138 Charles

re: #138 Charles

Ok Charles-

Here is another quote from Paul Topete:


“PT - We sometimes get attacked in the lamestream press or radio if the race agitators get a jump on us before an event or gig that we are playing at. They do it by trying to create FEAR in the organizers or attendees that Racist MinuteKLANners are coming to their school or city. But most often times then not, we beat them at their own game. Nothing we sing about or write about is pro-Hate or Supremacist. We are anti-Choseness for anyone. We don’t ask for SPECIAL RIGHTS, or ask that we get special classification, so we can use it against another group. We are supposed to be AMERICANS first, regardless of color, race etc.. But our own government tries to classify us and divide us by putting a fucking hyphen in our Race classification like African-hyphen-American. What America is NOW experiencing is Tyranny by the MINORITY, which sucks and keeps the divide and conquer mechanism going forever.”


Sounds very much like words spoken on LGF very frequently.

189 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:45:18am

re: #134 iceweasel

Athwart and avast yea swabs!

190 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:45:52am

re: #175 kansas

I wish people would substitute “my opinion” for “the truth.”

There are some who cannot understand the difference between the two.

191 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:46:02am

re: #181 Sharmuta

Populism is dangerous, imo. It’s not a good trend that it’s growing in popularity.

Pandering to the electorate has been a source of consternation for quite a while. We Americans seem to love to vote for bread and circuses and don’t care about the cost.

192 alegrias  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:46:09am

re: #186 Wendya

A disparate group of people but all with the same goal; to get Government out of their lives.

* * * *
NEWSFLASH

Government is NOT getting out of our lives any time soon.

193 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:46:10am

re: #177 scottishbuzzsaw

*spew* Alright, missy! You owe me a new keyboard!

8-)

194 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:46:50am

re: #192 alegrias
True, but we do not have to make them all that *comfy* being there

195 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:46:55am

re: #187 MandyManners

I can imagine a bit of spittle.

No spittle, just a lot of stuttering sticking. ;)

196 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:47:01am

From Karmic Inquisitor’s Political and Social Theory, Volume III:

Postulate #3281 : Enlightened Authoritarianism is never a good thing. A industrial democracy mired in divisive and inconsequential squabbles is about as good as it can get.

197 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:47:01am

Well, well, well:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com…]

Post number two says Pokerface played at a FreeRepublic event.

198 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:47:08am

re: #182 Kenneth

I just checked out Pokerface’s website. They have a lame video singing the praises of Ron Paul, links on the side bar to Alex Jones & the illuminati conspiracy and of course, 9-11 troofers.

So yes, the troll strangelove is indeed fucking nuts.

No David Icke!

199 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:47:16am

re: #185 buzzsawmonkey

The problem is that any number of people who will take a day out to wave signs about whatever they think the government is doing wrong will also turn out en masse on election day to return their very own moron to Congress.

/Because their reps are not the problem.

200 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:47:18am

re: #167 Eowyn2

tax me for spending less, tax me for spending more, tax me, oh please tax me more.
I heard over the weekend that the state gvmts are looking at confiscating any unused dollars on gift cards because, well, its the governments money.

How about changing the tax base entirely.

In some states they’re looking at changing taxes on motor fuels to taxes on mileage because motor fuels tax revenues have dropped as vehicles become more efficient. You have more mileage and less revenue to fund road maintenance and repairs. That means that bridges and roads require more maintenance and there’s less revenues.

Since tax on gas isn’t going to get the same revenues if you’re now driving the same miles but in a more efficient vehicle, the state “loses” revenues. By “loses” I mean that the state doesn’t get the revenues expected. That is a shortfall that must be made up somewhere.

By higher taxes.

201 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:47:28am
202 Spartacus50  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:48:06am

re: #71 strangelove

Hey Charles-

How about going to their site and informing yourself instead of just parroting what some website says? Their music actually sounds pretty good. It’s skinhead, or neo-anything. Just go listen to it…

You seem hypersensitive lately to people who voice real distaste with what our government is doing to us. These guys (Pokerface) don’t seem as threatening to me as the policies they are resisting.

Yeah Charles, you need to WAKE UP and keep an OPEN MIND/

203 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:48:20am

re: #157 Ward Cleaver

Agreed. I’m not a Paulistinian at all. I thought I made that clear.

But there is someting seriously wrong with the GOP.

204 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:48:20am

Five bucks on #280.

205 Mithrax  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:48:27am

re: #189 Kenneth

Athwart and avast yea swabs!

Across and stop?

206 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:48:34am

re: #183 Eowyn2

where do these idiots come up with this stuff?

Their parents.

207 Wendya  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:48:35am

re: #191 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pandering to the electorate has been a source of consternation for quite a while. We Americans seem to love to vote for bread and circuses and don’t care about the cost.

Hence, the election of Obama.

208 redstateredneck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:48:41am

re: #188 strangelove

We are anti-Choseness for anyone.

anti-Choseness? ? ?

209 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:48:50am

re: #184 Bobblehead

You definitely have a way with words.

Ah, you want to see how a gripe is done properly?

Private Jackson: Sir… I have an opinion on this matter.
Captain Miller: Well, by all means, share it with the squad.
Private Jackson: Well, from my way of thinking, sir, this entire mission is a serious misallocation of valuable military resources.
Captain Miller: Yeah. Go on.
Private Jackson: Well, it seems to me, sir, that God gave me a special gift, made me a fine instrument of warfare.
Captain Miller: Reiben, pay attention. Now, this is the way to gripe. Continue, Jackson.
Private Jackson: Well, what I mean by that, sir, is… if you was to put me and this here sniper rifle anywhere up to and including one mile of Adolf Hitler with a clear line of sight, sir… pack your bags, fellas, war’s over. Amen.
Private Reiben: Oh, that’s brilliant, bumpkin. Hey, so, Captain, what about you? I mean, you don’t gripe at all?
Captain Miller: I don’t gripe to *you*, Reiben. I’m a captain. There’s a chain of command. Gripes go up, not down. Always up. You gripe to me, I gripe to my superior officer, so on, so on, and so on. I don’t gripe to you. I don’t gripe in front of you. You should know that as a Ranger.
Private Reiben: I’m sorry, sir, but uh… let’s say you weren’t a captain, or maybe I was a major. What would you say then?
Captain Miller: Well, in that case… I’d say, “This is an excellent mission, sir, with an extremely valuable objective, sir, worthy of my best efforts, sir. Moreover… I feel heartfelt sorrow for the mother of Private James Ryan and am willing to lay down my life and the lives of my men - especially you, Reiben - to ease her suffering.”
Mellish: [chuckles] He’s good.
Private Caparzo: I love him.

210 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:48:52am

re: #188 strangelove

You really are going to defend them. Amazing.

211 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:49:10am

re: #164 Honorary Yooper


wtf are you blabbering about?

212 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:49:20am
213 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:49:23am

I’m waiting for stinky to seperate some wheat from some chaff

214 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:49:26am

re: #200 lawhawk

The Chevy Volt is gaining popularity and scaring tax-hungry politicians.

215 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:49:31am

re: #204 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Five bucks on #280.

280 is the over/under? At this point…I’ll take the under….
What is the Vig on this bet?
*wink*

216 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:49:46am

re: #208 redstateredneck

anti-Choseness? ? ?

A Living Language

/used by dead minds

217 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:49:48am

re: #188 strangelove

More quotes, please.

218 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:49:50am

re: #202 Spartacus50

Yeah Charles, you need to WAKE UP and keep an OPEN MIND/

Yeah - everyone knows that open mindedness requires one to give every postulate and theory equal standing.

/

219 NonNativeTexan  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:49:51am

re: #169 Ward Cleaver

Morning news says over 25,000. County says 37,000
according to MM
[Link: michellemalkin.com…]

220 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:50:04am

re: #211 strangelove

wtf are you blabbering about?

I was about the ask the same of you, considering you are trying to defend kookery.

221 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:50:24am

re: #214 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Chevy Volt is gaining popularity and scaring tax-hungry politicians.


is that that coal powered car?

222 alegrias  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:50:36am

re: #191 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pandering to the electorate has been a source of consternation for quite a while. We Americans seem to love to vote for bread and circuses and don’t care about the cost.

* * * * * *
Fallacy.

“We” Americans have also voted in large numbers for tax cutters who valued liberty and small government.
(Even a democrat, John F. Kennedy, asked voters to “Ask NOT what your country can do for you”)

Please specify which Americans exactly voted for spreading the wealth of other Americans around, in case some here are confused.

I am not confused about which Americans just want “free” stuff.

223 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:50:42am

re: #215 HoosierHoops

280 is the over/under? At this point…I’ll take the under….
What is the Vig on this bet?
*wink*

DAMN!
I was about to change my bet to #250 !

224 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:50:55am

re: #203 strangelove

But there is someting seriously wrong with the GOP.

Your cure is much, much worse.

225 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:51:00am

re: #154 capitalist piglet

Wow. I think I’ve heard of them before. I think they might be Freepers (or were six or seven years ago).

I wonder if they still are.

I know that Freepers have gone batshit since the election, but I posted at FReep for years and the admins have been pretty skilled with the ZOT stick on neo-nazis and anti-Semites.

226 Racer X  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:51:03am

I can watch a George Clooney or a Cameron Diaz movie and be entertained. Does that make me a liberal? No. Same with music - I can enjoy Green Day or NiN or whoever and not get sucked into their politics.

Is it possible to attend a political protest rally organized / attended by Paulians and not get tainted? Can you agree with some but disagree with other points being made? Or is it all or nothing - you went so you must be nuts too?

227 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:51:04am

re: #211 strangelove

You reek of fascists.

228 anchors_aweigh  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:51:12am

re: #185 buzzsawmonkey

Two words. Term limits.

Enact term limits by constitutional amendment. Use the (as yet never done) constitutional convention method.

I know, wishful thinking.

229 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:51:24am

re: #200 lawhawk

How about changing the tax base entirely.

In some states they’re looking at changing taxes on motor fuels to taxes on mileage because motor fuels tax revenues have dropped as vehicles become more efficient. You have more mileage and less revenue to fund road maintenance and repairs. That means that bridges and roads require more maintenance and there’s less revenues.

Since tax on gas isn’t going to get the same revenues if you’re now driving the same miles but in a more efficient vehicle, the state “loses” revenues. By “loses” I mean that the state doesn’t get the revenues expected. That is a shortfall that must be made up somewhere.

By higher taxes.

How can they tax mileage if they don’t stick a do-hickey into your car to keep track of it?

230 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:51:25am

re: #221 Shug

is that that coal powered car?

It’s powered by whatever the local electric company uses to generate their product.

231 Mithrax  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:51:50am

re: #229 MandyManners

How can they tax mileage if they don’t stick a do-hickey into your car to keep track of it?

Ain’t nobody stickin no doohicky in me!

232 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:52:04am

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

YES. And there is NOTHING wrong with THAT PARTICULAR quote except the guy’s weird ‘micahel-savage-like’-syntax.

233 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:52:19am

re: #188 strangelove

Regardless of what that quote says, their website carries links to Alex Jones, 9-11 troofers, illuminati conspiracy and several other deranged outfits. That crap is worse than nonsense, it is sick delusional fantasy and possibly dangerous.

234 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:52:30am

re: #211 strangelove

wtf are you blabbering about?

Oh, go piss up a rope.

235 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:52:39am

re: #229 MandyManners

How can they tax mileage if they don’t stick a do-hickey into your car to keep track of it?

What’s to say the doohickey is installed at the factory and so the consumer doesn’t know about it?

236 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:52:44am

re: #160 MandyManners

You might want to take a long look at No. 138.

Mandy, did you mean to down-ding Charles’ post No. 138?

/didn’t think so

237 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:52:53am

A Volt would be double taxed if a mileage tax was enacted..since electricity is already taxed.

238 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:53:03am

I’m kind of angling the monitor toward the side and putting on an overcoat and a cap. Don’t want to get hit by flying debris when strangelove … (*cough*) … departs.

239 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:53:24am

re: #237 quiet man

A Volt would be double taxed if a mileage tax was enacted..since electricity is already taxed.

A politician’s wet dream! Double (and more!) taxation.

240 3 wood  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:53:25am

Sports Nerd Corner:

Hey Cubs fans, the Cubs just traded Ryan Freel to Kansas City for some guy called A Player To Be Named Later.

Never heard of Ryan Freel before, probably never will hear of him again.

241 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:53:31am

re: #234 MandyManners

Oh, go piss up a rope.

Another lizard with a way with words.

242 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:53:53am

re: #190 MandyManners

There are some who cannot understand the difference between the two.

My opinion - truth - reality - perception all seen to run together into a morass of stupidity.

243 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:53:55am

re: #227 Sharmuta

You reek of fascists.

Not even Nag Champa can cover it up.

244 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:53:58am

re: #239 FurryOldGuyJeans

You know it! Image the next step..toll roads

245 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:54:21am

re: #231 Mithrax

Ain’t nobody stickin no doohicky in me!

*snicker*

246 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:54:30am

re: #229 MandyManners

How can they tax mileage if they don’t stick a do-hickey into your car to keep track of it?

Lawhawk, is there privacy issues with some kind of monitor on a private citizens car?

247 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:55:03am

re: #138 Charles

Here’s the kind of rancid hate speech spewed by Paul Topete of the band “Poker Face.”

Lots more at the link. The ADL’s description of them as an “anti-government, anti-immigrant, conspiracy-promoting rock music band” was no exaggeration.

This interview came from the batshit Jew-hating site americanfreepress.net

248 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:55:06am

re: #214 FurryOldGuyJeans

It’s funny how a car that isn’t on the market and which will have limited utility particularly in the US is scaring politicians because of the tax base (except that the Volt is likely to be a hit in the blue states where such cars are potentially practical). State coffers already get tax revenues from public utilities. Watch them increase the utilities rates to compensate. That’s offset because every move to call for conservation means that there are less taxes paid. They have no choice but increase taxes because they need the revenues.

The same goes for motor vehicles. They’ll start carving out higher taxes for sales of motor vehicles to compensate (or higher registration fees), which will reduce sales further (see spiral, death). Higher taxes are coming because reductions in consumption mean lower revenues, and when the economy picks up, it’s unclear whether those sectors of the market will recover.

249 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:55:09am
250 kansas  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:55:13am

re: #246 Cannadian Club Akbar

Lawhawk, is there privacy issues with some kind of monitor on a private citizens car?

What is a private citizen. I think that boat left the dock.

251 Kragar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:55:24am

re: #183 Eowyn2

where do these idiots come up with this stuff?

College

252 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:55:38am

re: #229 MandyManners

How can they tax mileage if they don’t stick a do-hickey into your car to keep track of it?

Oh, there’s a do-hickey involved! Here’s a brief article on Oregon’s initial concept:

Oregon mulls tax on miles driven

253 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:55:41am

re: #235 FurryOldGuyJeans

What’s to say the doohickey is installed at the factory and so the consumer doesn’t know about it?

Won’t the consumer know when she gets the tax bill?

254 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:55:46am

re: #154 capitalist piglet

Wow. I think I’ve heard of them before. I think they might be Freepers (or were six or seven years ago).

I wonder if they still are.


Yeah, they were FReepers. I heard some of their early stuff, and it was basically uninspired wannabe-alternative rock. Nothing really controversial, or anything… But based on the quotes I see upthread that the singer has made, well, damn. No wonder they were FReepers!

255 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:55:51am

re: #246 Cannadian Club Akbar
They could force you to report your milage and then check it periodically…and you best not be caught lying

256 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:55:57am

re: #246 Cannadian Club Akbar

Lawhawk, is there privacy issues with some kind of monitor on a private citizens car?

Oregon has already started mileage taxation, and there has been a dearth of concern from privacy advocates.

257 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:55:57am

re: #236 Son of the Black Dog

Mandy, did you mean to down-ding Charles’ post No. 138?

/didn’t think so

WHAT?

258 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:56:11am

re: #210 Charles

ok wait. I’m defending SOME of their ideas. SOME of what they are about. don’t you honestly share at least a modicum of their resentment towards what is happening in terms of government abuse? Don’t you resent having your grandchildren’s children being forced to work to pay the trillions that were wasted and that our government is forcing us to pay?

Caveat: If these guys really are Truthers, then I’m done. That’s pure absurdity.

259 VioletTiger  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:56:41am

re: #229 MandyManners

How can they tax mileage if they don’t stick a do-hickey into your car to keep track of it?


They own the car companies, so the do-hickies may come to be.

260 Wendya  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:56:47am

re: #229 MandyManners

How can they tax mileage if they don’t stick a do-hickey into your car to keep track of it?

Some of the suggestions include putting a GPS type device on every car and having the information downloaded when you fill up at the pump. I have no idea how that would impact people who take 5 gallon cans to the gas station to purchase gas for generators or people who have their own fuel tanks.

I have a 500 gallon tank that I would seriously consider flushing out and filling if it came to that.

261 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:56:47am

re: #225 Alouette

I know that Freepers have gone batshit since the election, but I posted at FReep for years and the admins have been pretty skilled with the ZOT stick on neo-nazis and anti-Semites.

I posted another one, linking to a post claiming this band played at a FreeRepublic event.

Maybe they didn’t know. It sounds like the band plays up their libertarian beliefs, saving the truly vile stuff for special occasions.

Ugh. Just…yuck.

262 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:56:53am

re: #253 MandyManners

Won’t the consumer know when she gets the tax bill?

After the fact. Easier to dun someone for a tax bill. Same thing with the stop-light cameras municipalities are becoming so fond of.

263 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:57:07am

re: #229 MandyManners

How can they tax mileage if they don’t stick a do-hickey into your car to keep track of it?

Simple, use auto insurance records, or DMV vehicle liscencing information.

264 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:57:15am

re: #234 MandyManners


yeah, that figures. you don’t make sense to yourself, either.

265 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:57:20am
266 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:57:20am

re: #258 strangelove

Maybe it’s just me, but I tend to look into something before I defend it.

267 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:57:27am

re: #244 quiet man

You know it! Image the next step..toll roads

Those make far more sense than a mileage doo-hickey GPS thingy on the car.

268 Mithrax  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:57:41am

re: #259 VioletTiger

They own the car companies, so the do-hickies may come to be.

*clenches*

269 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:57:41am

re: #241 Bobblehead

Another lizard with a way with words.

I like to use monosyllabic words.

270 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:58:02am

re: #249 buzzsawmonkey

Not on your life. You really want a constitutional convention—which throws the whole constitution in play—run by Nancy Pelosi, Ron Paul, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Mike Huckabee, or any of the other people who are our current political lights and who do not have the stature to shine Thomas Jefferson’s or James Madison’s shoes? That’s a prescription for disaster.

I know some people here are big partisans of term limits by Constitutional amendment, but frankly I cannot get behind any quick fix of that sort. If people want their government to behave better, they have to recognize that it is theirs, and get involved in making it better. Term limits are a bandaid.

If people really were engaged in paying attention to America rather than American Idol, term limits would be invoked every election cycle.

271 Bobblehead  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:58:18am

re: #269 MandyManners

I like to use monosyllabic words.

Simple is best.

272 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:58:20am

re: #258 strangelove

ok wait. I’m defending SOME of their ideas. SOME of what they are about. don’t you honestly share at least a modicum of their resentment towards what is happening in terms of government abuse? Don’t you resent having your grandchildren’s children being forced to work to pay the trillions that were wasted and that our government is forcing us to pay?

Caveat: If these guys really are Truthers, then I’m done. That’s pure absurdity.

so the other shit is OK, but the truther part is the deal breaker?

273 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:58:32am

re: #242 debutaunt

My opinion - truth - reality - perception all seen to run together into a morass of stupidity.

Perhaps it’s the result of being told that there is no truth, no objective standard of right or wrong.

274 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:58:39am

re: #197 capitalist piglet

Well, well, well:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com…]

Post number two says Pokerface played at a FreeRepublic event.


I recall it was one of the DC events.

275 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:58:58am

re: #246 Cannadian Club Akbar

Lawhawk, is there privacy issues with some kind of monitor on a private citizens car?

There must be.

276 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:58:58am

re: #255 quiet man

They could force you to report your milage and then check it periodically…and you best not be caught lying

Disconnect the speedometer.

277 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:59:18am

re: #258 strangelove

ok wait. I’m defending SOME of their ideas. SOME of what they are about. don’t you honestly share at least a modicum of their resentment towards what is happening in terms of government abuse? Don’t you resent having your grandchildren’s children being forced to work to pay the trillions that were wasted and that our government is forcing us to pay?

Caveat: If these guys really are Truthers, then I’m done. That’s pure absurdity.


So…you draw the line at Truthers? What about the anti-semitic shit? Does that bother you at all?

278 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:59:23am

re: #276 Cannadian Club Akbar
Rebel!

279 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:59:45am

re: #269 MandyManners

I like to use monosyllabic words.

That was very monosyllabic.

/*ducking*

280 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:59:45am

re: #261 capitalist piglet

I posted another one, linking to a post claiming this band played at a FreeRepublic event.

Maybe they didn’t know. It sounds like the band plays up their libertarian beliefs, saving the truly vile stuff for special occasions.

Ugh. Just…yuck.

It’s the same as the Stormfronters hiding behind the Paulians at the Tea Party events.

281 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 11:59:48am

re: #261 capitalist piglet


I’ve never heard of these guys. Are they truly anti-semitic? I didn’t get any of that from their music or their website. If you’re talking about their forums, that’s pointless. Any neo-whatever can say vile thing they want. You can’t hold the band responsible for that.

282 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:00:12pm

re: #252 subsailor68

Oh, there’s a do-hickey involved! Here’s a brief article on Oregon’s initial concept:

Oregon mulls tax on miles driven

Buncha’ fucking Commie bastards!

283 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:01:11pm

re: #258 strangelove

ok wait. I’m defending SOME of their ideas. SOME of what they are about. don’t you honestly share at least a modicum of their resentment towards what is happening in terms of government abuse? Don’t you resent having your grandchildren’s children being forced to work to pay the trillions that were wasted and that our government is forcing us to pay?

Caveat: If these guys really are Truthers, then I’m done. That’s pure absurdity.

Do you mean you would give up on them if it is proven to you that they ARE Truthers?

If so, there might be hope for you yet.

284 Tumulus11  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:01:16pm
258 strangelove
7/06/09 11:56:11 am

‘ok wait. I’m defending SOME of their ideas.’

. Get stuffed.

285 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:01:32pm

re: #282 MandyManners

Not much different than a TOLL ROAD….you pay for the amount of miles you go on them

286 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:01:39pm

OT: How about something funny to read before Strangelove sets off a Suitcase Nuke?
Jemele Hill is on first take on ESPN2…I remember when she got hired about 18 months ago and sent her an email…..
The subject line was: Who did you pay off?
I asked her how ESPN could hire such a talented writer that was a smoking hot athlete..Who did you pay off?
I have enjoyed exchanging emails with her. She is a wonderful and witty writer than can say the funniest things about white boys playing Basketball or antother subject… But she is good people…..And very cute….
Back to the countdown

287 redstateredneck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:01:40pm

re: #259 VioletTiger

They own the car companies, so the do-hickies may come to be.

Trucking companies have been paying use taxes for years but without the aid of do-hickeys. You have to keep up with your mileage to pay state fuel taxes in each state so you self report the mileage tax as well. Occasional random audits keep you honest. Naturally, that would not work with the general public. Do-hickeys would be required to keep up with that many vehicles.

288 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:01:47pm

re: #229 MandyManners

They could nail you on you mileage when you register/inspect the car. I’m sure they’re looking into the mechanics of doing that, and the possibility of including GPS type equipment to calculate payment isn’t going to sit well with drivers.

289 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:01:59pm

re: #232 strangelove

YES. And there is NOTHING wrong with THAT PARTICULAR quote except the guy’s weird ‘micahel-savage-like’-syntax.

Dude - deconstruct the quote.

For example - he makes the leap from “we should all be equals but the government classifies us racially” to “this is the oppression of the majority by the minority”.

How can that make sense? If one is resisting the idea of classifying minorities then why is he then embracing the use of the term “majority” to point out an injustice? You can’t say you don’t want racial classification and then use it to defend your race.

That is the game with racists - say that “I am not a racist - they are!” and then justify the “us vs. them” on that basis.

The Germans of 1940 thought the Jews were the real racists and had it coming. That was what Mein Kampf was all about - the struggle of the “majority” against the oppression of the “minority”. Same idea. Same “leap” in “logic”.

290 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:02:12pm

re: #281 strangelove

I’ve never heard of these guys. Are they truly anti-semitic? I didn’t get any of that from their music or their website. If you’re talking about their forums, that’s pointless. Any neo-whatever can say vile thing they want. You can’t hold the band responsible for that.

From Charles’ link at 138:

Remember, all -isms of the last 500 years came from and grew out of the Sabbatean-Jewish mindset. Bolshevism, Communism, Socialism, Feminism, Jacobism, Neo-Conism etc… It is these satanic Jews, and the Rosicrucian Goyim henchmen that need to be erased from our planet. They are the cancer that is destroying humanity. All for the sake of greed and power. They want what little you and I have, while we want NOTHING of them or their ill-gotten fortunes. We believe in live, let live, while they practice: just who will get to live in the future.

Is that anti-Semitic enough for you?

291 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:02:14pm

re: #269 MandyManners

I like to use monosyllabic words.

BTW…..why isn’t “monosyllabic” a one-syllable word?

292 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:02:31pm

re: #259 VioletTiger

They own the car companies, so the do-hickies may come to be.

re: #260 Wendya

Some of the suggestions include putting a GPS type device on every car and having the information downloaded when you fill up at the pump. I have no idea how that would impact people who take 5 gallon cans to the gas station to purchase gas for generators or people who have their own fuel tanks.

I have a 500 gallon tank that I would seriously consider flushing out and filling if it came to that.

re: #263 BlueCanuck

Simple, use auto insurance records, or DMV vehicle liscencing information.

See No. 282.

293 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:02:34pm

re: #267 Honorary Yooper

Those make far more sense than a mileage doo-hickey GPS thingy on the car.

The new Tacoma Narrows Bridge Two Span is not a toll bridge, and they have a scheme of having frequent commuters install a transponder unit on their vehicles to automatically pay the toll. So far the system, run by government, has been a resounding failure in either overcharging or vastly undercharging. The last reported percentage of CORRECT recording of trips was less than 28%.

294 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:02:45pm

re: #291 eschew_obfuscation
Just say it reallyreallyfast and it is!

295 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:02:49pm

re: #281 strangelove

I’ve never heard of these guys. Are they truly anti-semitic? I didn’t get any of that from their music or their website. If you’re talking about their forums, that’s pointless. Any neo-whatever can say vile thing they want. You can’t hold the band responsible for that.

Did you read the quote Charles posted?

I’m a musician. I wouldn’t be in a band with someone who said such a thing. I can only assume the rest of them are all right with it.

296 kynna  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:02:52pm

Hey! Remember when DC Comics were just the boring ones?

Now they’re getting a super upgrade in Kuwait with some real Islamic super helpers!

They’ll need all those super pals to fight off the evil mind rays of the Israelis doncha know.

297 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:02:59pm

re: #260 Wendya
500 gallon?
Flushing out?
Careful! They’ll be WATCHING!
//
Do ya have a permit?
Environmental impact study?
What was in the tank ? How long have you owned the tank?
Who was the previous owner of the tank?……etc…etc….
Been there done that ……Buy a NEW Tank and hang on to the all the paper work!
Moved a water tank onto forest property once!
The key word here is ONCE!

298 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:03:05pm

re: #246 Cannadian Club Akbar

Privacy? Comrade… what is this privacy you were talking about? /

Seriously, privacy is perhaps the one thing that will keep the politicians from implementing this kind of alternative tax treatment for motor vehicles, though I’m sure they’ll find a workaround.

299 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:03:06pm

re: #273 MandyManners

Perhaps it’s the result of being told that there is no truth, no objective standard of right or wrong.

Schools are working hard at that.

300 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:03:12pm

re: #265 buzzsawmonkey


What I get from his weird way of speaking is that he is saying no one should be special. If you read anti-semitism into that, I don’t.

A Jew a Black, or Woman should be no more priveleged or ‘special’ than anyone else, at least in terms of governmental policy. That should be pretty obvious.

301 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:03:26pm

re: #226 Racer X

The point of a George Clooney movie is to entertain. So it matters not what the political views of the actor are so long as the role he is portraying entertains you. (I loved O Brother Where Art Thou, but hated Syriana, because sometimes the political preaching does get in the way of the entertainment).

The point of a political rally is to organized political action. That’s is a very different purpose than entertainment. So it really does matter who is organizing the rallies you attend.

302 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:03:30pm

re: #243 MandyManners

Not even Nag Champa can cover it up.

Cadaverine could, though. Quite a useful chemical ;)

303 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:03:34pm

re: #285 quiet man

Not much different than a TOLL ROAD….you pay for the amount of miles you go on them

Yeah, but on a tollway, I pay only if I use said road, and I can remain mostly anonymous. Not so with a GPS thingy.

304 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:03:52pm

re: #299 debutaunt

Schools are working hard at that.

Don’t you mean Governmental Indoctrination and Re-education Centers?

305 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:04:10pm

re: #298 lawhawk
I disagree it will help..they will claim no one has an expectation of privacy on a public road.

306 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:04:27pm

re: #260 Wendya

Some of the suggestions include putting a GPS type device on every car and having the information downloaded when you fill up at the pump. I have no idea how that would impact people who take 5 gallon cans to the gas station to purchase gas for generators or people who have their own fuel tanks.

I have a 500 gallon tank that I would seriously consider flushing out and filling if it came to that.

Bingo! That goes directly to my point in the earlier post about how people change their behavior in response to tax policy proposals or implementation. So what would they do then? Hmmm….you have to renew your registration every year. I could see them requiring - during the vehicle inspection - an upload of your odometer reading as a baseline. Then, every year you renew, the difference between the opening and closing odometer reading would be used to calculate the tax, which would be added to your registration fee.

307 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:04:28pm

re: #264 strangelove

yeah, that figures. you don’t make sense to yourself, either.

See No. 283.

308 redstateredneck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:04:39pm

re: #303 Honorary Yooper

Not so with a GPS thingy.


The correct term is do-hickey.

309 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:04:40pm

Don’t confuse being upset with the direction the current administration and legislature is taking with a willingness to jump on board any crazy train with (fill in the blank) ____-ist hard liners.

The left has gotten away with some weird alliances without too much exposure but the MSM is not likely to turn a blind eye to any alliance anti-tax protests have with the handful whack jobs that are trying to gain traction on the right.

310 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:04:50pm

re: #288 lawhawk

They could nail you on you mileage when you register/inspect the car. I’m sure they’re looking into the mechanics of doing that, and the possibility of including GPS type equipment to calculate payment isn’t going to sit well with drivers.

I smell a business opportunity in disabling/modifying them to underreport mileage ;-)

311 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:04:57pm

re: #283 MandyManners

sure. I would stand corrected. Truthers are lunatics, just based on sheer logic.

Government conspiracies don’t work well if thousands of people are required to keep the secret.

312 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:04:59pm

I’m gonna’ step back from the keyboard for a few.

313 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:05:03pm

re: #303 Honorary Yooper
True..Now it is a choice.

314 JHW  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:05:29pm

re: #258 strangelove

This, from that site referenced by Charles, is all any decent person needs to know about these creeps. Not much different from a 1920’s bier keller.

Remember, all -isms of the last 500 years came from and grew out of the Sabbatean-Jewish mindset. Bolshevism, Communism, Socialism, Feminism, Jacobism, Neo-Conism etc… It is these satanic Jews, and the Rosicrucian Goyim henchmen that need to be erased from our planet. They are the cancer that is destroying humanity. All for the sake of greed and power. They want what little you and I have, while we want NOTHING of them or their ill-gotten fortunes. We believe in live, let live, while they practice: just who will get to live in the future.

Beyond indefensible.

315 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:05:42pm

re: #285 quiet man

Not much different than a TOLL ROAD….you pay for the amount of miles you go on them

The gasoline tax and the toll road fees aren’t enough for them.

316 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:05:46pm

re: #258 strangelove

Just look at their own website. It’s full of links to every stupid conspiracy theory around.

317 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:05:48pm

re: #293 FurryOldGuyJeans

The new Tacoma Narrows Bridge Two Span is not a toll bridge, and they have a scheme of having frequent commuters install a transponder unit on their vehicles to automatically pay the toll. So far the system, run by government, has been a resounding failure in either overcharging or vastly undercharging. The last reported percentage of CORRECT recording of trips was less than 28%.

It’s not a toll bridge, but they’re collecting tolls? I’m confused.

318 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:05:50pm

re: #259 VioletTiger

They own the car companies, so the do-hickies may come to be.


I can see an emerging black market for Cuban car parts to repair our 1950’s vintage gas guzzlers.

319 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:06:03pm

re: #305 quiet man

It’s the same way that here in the NYC metro area they wrote the EZ-Pass law so that it couldn’t be used to track your movements and issue speeding tickets etc., unless there was a criminal matter that required checking the whereabouts of the vehicle.

320 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:06:22pm
321 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:06:33pm

re: #300 strangelove

What I get from his weird way of speaking is that he is saying no one should be special. If you read anti-semitism into that, I don’t.

A Jew a Black, or Woman should be no more priveleged or ‘special’ than anyone else, at least in terms of governmental policy. That should be pretty obvious.

Paul Topete:

It is these satanic Jews, and the Rosicrucian Goyim henchmen that need to be erased from our planet.

I don’t think anyone here has a problem reading anti-semitism into that quote.

322 3 wood  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:06:59pm
yeah, that figures. you don’t make sense to yourself, either.

*getting popcorn and pulling up a chair*


This is gonna hurt.

323 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:07:00pm

re: #317 Ward Cleaver

It’s not a toll bridge, but they’re collecting tolls? I’m confused.

Ooops! NOW a toll bridge, not NOT.

PIMF, *sigh*

324 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:07:17pm

re: #277 capitalist piglet

So…you draw the line at Truthers? What about the anti-semitic shit? Does that bother you at all?

To me, Trutherism is the anti-Semitic to the core. Once someone investigates that, looking into the anti-Semitism associated with Ron Paul is easy.

325 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:07:18pm

actually, it could be easy to do..mere have the gas cash registers compute an offset tax on MPG when you fill up..you fill up 20 gallons in the 1980 Cadillac for one price, the honda civic for another

326 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:07:18pm

re: #265 buzzsawmonkey

Nope. Doesn’t sound a bit like the stuff posted here; if you think it does, you’ll have to link to examples.

If that’s too hard for you, you might take a flyer at explaining what the jerk you quote means by being “anti-Chosen-ness.”


I think they are just jealous that we haudenosaunee are The Chosen People. I mean, everyone knows that God’s first language is Kahniakehaka. I mean, duh.

Some people, like Paul Topetetetwhatever, is just jealous.

327 Wendya  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:07:20pm

From an interview with Paul Topete:

Washington was aware that his Masonic lodges were getting illuminized and didn’t like it. The illuminization of the blue lodges occurred at a rapid place once Weishaupt and his followers were kicked out of Bavaria. Many fled to the New World. At the end of his life, Washington abandoned his once beloved Freemasonry. Lastly most in Freemasonry don’t know that the higher orders with in masonry out right worship Luciferianism. The lower ranking members provide cover and a positive front of being just a fraternal organization where buddy’s who scratch each others back get together.

Wow.. I had no idea my grandfather worshiped Lucifer. ///

I’d never heard of Pokerface until this thread. I don’t have a lot of use for conspiracy theorists on the left, right or middle. They’ve got issues.

328 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:07:35pm

re: #300 strangelove

What I get from his weird way of speaking is that he is saying no one should be special. If you read anti-semitism into that, I don’t.

A Jew a Black, or Woman should be no more priveleged or ‘special’ than anyone else, at least in terms of governmental policy. That should be pretty obvious.

Read it carefully - the “no one should be special” is something that most people would agree with. Jumping to “I am therefore part of the oppressed majority” is where the guy starts inciting the hatred.

i am about as anti-social engineering as anyone. I find “multi-culturalists” particularly offensive because they value someone’s group identity over their individual identity. That doesn’t mean I call for “the majority” to act out against “the minority” that oppresses us when I just finished a sentence about race.

329 brockton808  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:07:47pm

I’ve been to three tea parties here in the Bay Area of California, and didn’t see any Ron Paul or Alex Jones paraphernalia, books, signs, etc. These are grassroots events attended by people who see their liberty slipping away, and have been disenfranchised by those who vote, yet have no “skin in the game.”

The Birchers think that commies are hiding everywhere, and this paranoia is what’s marginalized them. However, some people have become just as paranoid about Ron Paul followers. His following is quite small (but LOUD), and rather inconsequential. Same for Alex Jones.

The biggest threat to our way of life comes from the “progressives” who hold all the power now.

330 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:07:48pm

re: #300 strangelove

Read the damn quote Charles provided:

We were labeled haters, racists, supremacists, anti-semites for just saying and posting the truth about the holoco$t, the domination of the African slave trade into the New World by Jewish merchants, Israel and NeoCons behind 9/11 events, Globalist forces shoving the North American Union and the Illegal alien Invasion down our throats etc … go to our politically incorrect forum board for yourselves, and read what is deemed by our overseers as News you shouldn’t View.

Clear unequivocal Antisemitism.

331 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:07:49pm
332 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:07:50pm

re: #293 FurryOldGuyJeans

The new Tacoma Narrows Bridge Two Span is not a toll bridge, and they have a scheme of having frequent commuters install a transponder unit on their vehicles to automatically pay the toll. So far the system, run by government, has been a resounding failure in either overcharging or vastly undercharging. The last reported percentage of CORRECT recording of trips was less than 28%.

Geeze, what a bunch of morons running it. We’ve had transponders here for over a decade, and they seem to work on the tollways fairly well.

Personally, I’m in favor of tolling the interstates, lowering the gas tax (and eliminating it at gas station at toll road service areas), and raising the limit a la Germany (suggested speed of 70-75 or so). Keep the tolls off the surface streets, but make it worthwhile to use the tolled interstates speedwise.

333 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:07:53pm

re: #258 strangelove

Caveat: If these guys really are Truthers, then I’m done. That’s pure absurdity.

Oh, so you draw the line at Truthers, huh?

That Holocaust denial stuff didn’t bother you, I guess?

Or is that just me being “hypersensitive”?

334 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:07:59pm

re: #291 eschew_obfuscation

BTW…..why isn’t “monosyllabic” a one-syllable word?

Mono isn’t even one syllable.

335 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:08:08pm

re: #318 DaddyG

I can see an emerging black market for Cuban car parts to repair our 1950’s vintage gas guzzlers.

Avanti is gearing up right now! LOL
I so want Cuban Cigars legal in the USA….
Shameless!

336 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:08:18pm

re: #311 strangelove

Yet you are supporting and advocating a political philosophy that is nothing but full of conspiracy crapola.

337 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:08:30pm

re: #295 capitalist piglet


and did you read the quote I posted? #188

338 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:08:52pm

re: #310 eschew_obfuscation

I smell a business opportunity in disabling/modifying them to underreport mileage ;-)

When I was in college, I heard about people who rented cars, then attached the speedometer cable to a reversible drill to roll back the mileage so they didn’t have to pay much.
This would, of course, become a felony, “Murdering the environment”

339 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:09:06pm

re: #321 Alouette

I don’t think anyone here has a problem reading anti-semitism into that quote.

He’s suffering from willful blindness.

340 big steve  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:09:25pm

Don’t know if this has been commented upon but while on the subject of Texas, new rumors for the Texas school board president. I don’t find this to be good news because Cynthia Dunbar is every bit the same as Don McLeroy who I might note now refers to people like myself as the “pagan left”…..Next Texas BOE President

341 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:09:36pm

re: #337 strangelove

and did you read the quote I posted? #188

Did you read the entire fucking interview? #138

342 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:09:57pm

re: #314 JHW


Yeah, that’s pretty ugly, if the guy said it. Kind of hard to square that with his other quote, which sounded strident, but hit the matk in my view.
(#188)

343 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:09:58pm

re: #319 lawhawk

It’s the same way that here in the NYC metro area they wrote the EZ-Pass law so that it couldn’t be used to track your movements and issue speeding tickets etc., unless there was a criminal matter that required checking the whereabouts of the vehicle.

I have heard stories of car rental places basically fining people for speeding using GPS. I never looked into it. Any truth?

344 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:10:12pm

Charles,

Looks like there are more people coming around to the side of rationality - even Ace, when it comes to dealing with the true believers on the far right who attack everyone else who doesn’t support their POV. Even Karl at Hot Air sees this as a problem with the right wing.

345 Mithrax  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:10:17pm

re: #335 HoosierHoops

Avanti is gearing up right now! LOL
I so want Cuban Cigars legal in the USA….
Shameless!

Heh. good thing I can go to my local store and buy some.

In fact I have some in my humidor right now :)

346 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:10:18pm

re: #341 Alouette

Did you read the entire fucking interview? #138

Apparently he only reads RP approved texts.

347 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:10:31pm

re: #311 strangelove

sure. I would stand corrected. Truthers are lunatics, just based on sheer logic.

Government conspiracies don’t work well if thousands of people are required to keep the secret.

Who is behind the conspiracy? Mossad? Israel? Jews in general? Have you heard that Jews stayed away from work in the Towers that day?

You might also want to take a look at Lew Rockwell and Alex Jones.

348 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:10:35pm

re: #322 3 wood

*getting popcorn and pulling up a chair*

This is gonna hurt.

With the target teeing himself up quite nicely, Stinky saunters forward …
… pointing his pipe wrench to a spot beyond the tree line on the right hand side of the fairway ….

349 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:11:25pm

It would be simple enough to read your odometer every year when you get your smog check and compute the tax at that point. They could even make the odometer readout electronic from the car’s onboard computer. Of course Oregon won’t collect anything from folks who live over the river in Washington State and commute into Portland.

350 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:11:33pm

re: #311 strangelove

See No. 327.

351 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:12:02pm

re: #337 strangelove

and did you read the quote I posted? #188

I don’t care what else he said.

352 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:12:19pm

re: #327 Wendya

From an interview with Paul Topete:


Wow.. I had no idea my grandfather worshiped Lucifer. ///

I’d never heard of Pokerface until this thread. I don’t have a lot of use for conspiracy theorists on the left, right or middle. They’ve got issues.

Issues? Hell, they have subscriptions.

353 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:12:23pm

re: #349 Son of the Black Dog

It would be simple enough to read your odometer every year when you get your smog check and compute the tax at that point. They could even make the odometer readout electronic from the car’s onboard computer. Of course Oregon won’t collect anything from folks who live over the river in Washington State and commute into Portland.

The same thing happens with WA residents who shop in Oregon, loss of sales tax revenues.

354 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:12:28pm

re: #331 buzzsawmonkey

If that is what “you get” from that writing you are a political ignoramus and willfully blind.

… or merely bobbing and weaving.

355 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:12:55pm

re: #342 strangelove

So, uh, what’s your handle on the stalker site?

356 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:13:08pm

re: #343 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is truth to that. Some rental car companies have had clauses in their rental contracts that prohibit you from driving recklessly, on off-road situations, etc., and can tack on additional fees as a result. Speeding could constitute driving recklessly.

357 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:13:31pm

re: #300 strangelove

What I get from his weird way of speaking is that he is saying no one should be special. If you read anti-semitism into that, I don’t.

A Jew a Black, or Woman should be no more priveleged or ‘special’ than anyone else, at least in terms of governmental policy. That should be pretty obvious.

Which race of people has been named the “Chosen” people?

358 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:13:39pm

Does this make me a Rosicrucian Goyim Honco?/

359 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:13:51pm

re: #344 lawhawk

Charles,

Looks like there are more people coming around to the side of rationality - even Ace, when it comes to dealing with the true believers on the far right who attack everyone else who doesn’t support their POV. Even Karl at Hot Air sees this as a problem with the right wing.

Meanwhile, both Hot Air and Ace of Spades continue to allow a barrage of personal hatred against me in their comments.

Ace is getting bitten by the atmosphere of nastiness and abusiveness he allowed to grow at his site.

360 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:14:56pm

re: #337 strangelove

It doesn’t matter if he said one nice thing. He probably likes kittens or puppies or his mom too. None of that matters if his band’s website is chock full of links to conspiracy theory nutjobs and when he was happily quoted spewing antisemitic garbage.

361 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:15:34pm

re: #342 strangelove

Yeah, that’s pretty ugly, if the guy said it. Kind of hard to square that with his other quote, which sounded strident, but hit the matk in my view.
(#188)

*IF* he said it?

362 redstateredneck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:15:36pm

re: #343 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have heard stories of car rental places basically fining people for speeding using GPS. I never looked into it. Any truth?

My daughter used to work for Enterprise and she never said anything about it. If they were doing it she would have said something.

363 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:15:37pm

re: #357 MandyManners

Which race of people has been named the “Chosin few”?

strangelove hates korean war vets. :(

364 hazzyday  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:16:00pm

Pokerface old our of date site.

Paul’s Personal Message about people he likes.

Good Guy 1 was in jail for assaulting police.

Good Guy 2 Helped kill law enforcement officers.

Gunseller in jail This one might be questionable. But I assume he was selling guns to the people like the above 2.

Pokerface quotes:
“The fight against terrorism should be fought largely at our borders.” —Rep. Dr. Ron Paul (R-TX) (Americas ONLY consistent freedom loving Congress person)

“…we are ruled by mercenaries, men without a country. National sovereignty is nothing to them, nor is patriotism… these are not the actions of patriots.” —Lew Rockwell

There’s a lot more but one can get the drift. Here’s a guy into guns and aching to be a jihadi in America’s next civil war. That is what gets him off.

365 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:16:14pm

re: #359 Charles
That just shows you are effective in your criticism.

366 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:16:18pm

re: #356 lawhawk

There is truth to that. Some rental car companies have had clauses in their rental contracts that prohibit you from driving recklessly, on off-road situations, etc., and can tack on additional fees as a result. Speeding could constitute driving recklessly.

There are some roads in Massachusetts where driving the speed limit would be driving recklessly, as everyone else tries to pass you like a rock in the middle of a stream.
Parts of Rt. 2 come to mind; limit 45, actual 55-60 if the traffic allows.

367 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:16:36pm

re: #363 RunningBare

strangelove hates korean war vets. :(

I was going to Reservoir comment on that one.

368 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:16:37pm

re: #358 DaddyG

Does this make me a Rosicrucian Goyim Honco?/

Do we get another pay-check?

369 anchors_aweigh  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:17:00pm

re: #249 buzzsawmonkey

Not on your life. You really want a constitutional convention—which throws the whole constitution in play—run by Nancy Pelosi, Ron Paul, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Mike Huckabee, or any of the other people who are our current political lights and who do not have the stature to shine Thomas Jefferson’s or James Madison’s shoes? That’s a prescription for disaster.

I know some people here are big partisans of term limits by Constitutional amendment, but frankly I cannot get behind any quick fix of that sort. If people want their government to behave better, they have to recognize that it is theirs, and get involved in making it better. Term limits are a bandaid.

The beauty of our constitution is that the framers have even included safeguards for a constitutional convention “run by Nancy Pelosi, Ron Paul, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Mike Huckabee”. Specifically, in the method I am talking about, amendments are proposed by state conventions and ratified by either state conventions or state legislatures, so Nancy et al would not be “running” anything.

Further; Yes, it would be grand if we had an educated electorate and the system did not favor incumbents to the point of unfairness…

but we don’t and it does.

370 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:17:01pm

re: #362 redstateredneck

My daughter used to work for Enterprise and she never said anything about it. If they were doing it she would have said something.

It was a little regional rental car place, IIRC. Don’t remember where it was, but it did not exist in my area.

371 Yashmak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:17:04pm

Man, I always seem to arrive too late for the best meltdown/pile-ons.

372 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:17:11pm

re: #342 strangelove

Yeah, that’s pretty ugly, if the guy said it. Kind of hard to square that with his other quote, which sounded strident, but hit the matk in my view.
(#188)

Unless of course, he’s a lying racist antisemitic conspiracy theorist which was kind of obvious from the get go.

373 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:17:11pm
374 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:17:33pm

re: #367 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I was going to Reservoir comment on that one.

Oh, for korean out loud… *shakes head*

375 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:17:36pm

re: #363 RunningBare

strangelove hates korean war vets. :(

YOU MADE ME LOOK!

376 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:18:24pm

re: #359 Charles

Meanwhile, both Hot Air and Ace of Spades continue to allow a barrage of personal hatred against me in their comments.
Ace is getting bitten by the atmosphere of nastiness and abusiveness he allowed to grow at his site.

They can stop it any time they want.

377 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:18:24pm

re: #375 MandyManners

YOU MADE ME LOOK!

heh heh heh

378 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:18:38pm

re: #371 Yashmak

Man, I always seem to arrive too late for the best meltdown/pile-ons.

The fat lady hasn’t sung yet.
Pile on!

379 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:19:02pm

re: #345 Mithrax

Heh. good thing I can go to my local store and buy some.

In fact I have some in my humidor right now :)

Noooooooo!
About 9 months ago I pissed off a lizard so bad cause we were going to Detroit..Crossing the Border and sneaking Cigars across the border in the trunk… I know a box of Cubans may bring the end of the world as we know it…But really….We all need to help the Global economy….
What really pissed him off is that my buddy was driving and smoking a cigar at the border at Windsor…We lied to a federal agent and should go to jail…
It was so funny to me….Whatever….

380 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:19:16pm

re: #374 RunningBare

Oh, for korean out loud… *shakes head*

You’re Pusan your luck.

381 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:19:16pm

re: #376 MandyManners

They can stop it any time they want.

Hmmmm, could be they don’t want to, apparently.

382 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:19:23pm

re: #373 buzzsawmonkey

When liars and apologists quote someone, the quotes are accurate; when the same person’s ugly or inconvenient quotes are referenced, they are suddenly dubious.

That is the hard and fast rule of Troll Discourse.

I need a hand-book.

383 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:19:28pm

re: #378 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Who you calling fat?
And, that ain’t no lady!

384 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:19:31pm

re: #366 Kosh’s Shadow

There are some roads in Massachusetts where driving the speed limit would be driving recklessly, as everyone else tries to pass you like a rock in the middle of a stream.
Parts of Rt. 2 come to mind; limit 45, actual 55-60 if the traffic allows.

What that means is that they are underposted and should require a speed study to find the 85th percentile speed. Too many speed limits are set by legislative fiat rather than engineering restraints (including the 85th percentile speed).

385 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:19:32pm

re: #376 MandyManners

They can stop it any time they want.

They sure could. Wonder why they don’t……

386 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:19:33pm

You know, sometimes you just hope that somewhere out there, there is true Sons-of-Liberty style resistance to tyranny. You pine for the days when righteous struggles against oppressive governments are legitimate causes worth risking your life for. You hope you’re not trading one brand of thuggery for another.

If this guy Paul Topete is really blaming Jews for what ails the country, then that’s just pathetic. A country went down that road in 1939 with disastrous results.

Signed,
Another Lizard disappointed yet again.

387 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:19:33pm

On a happier note, I caught part of Tiger Woods’ tournament at Congressional yesterday. There were a ton of wounded vets invited, and things were set to have them participate. How cool is that?

Saw Tiger come off the seventeenth green (I believe) and walk past a vet (quadriplegic in a wheelchair). As he walked by he did a fist-bump with the vet - Tiger’s fist and the vet’s stump.

No hesitation, no awkwardness - on either one’s part - just two guys grinning at each other and celebrating.

My thought when I saw it? The vet is a true hero, and Tiger is a class act. God bless them both.

388 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:19:47pm

re: #378 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The fat lady hasn’t sung yet.
Pile on!

Maybe this time I don’t need to grease up. ;)

389 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:19:48pm

re: #374 RunningBare

Oh, for korean out loud… *shakes head*

LGF is a De-Margianlized Zone.

390 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:19:50pm
391 Dianna  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:19:53pm

re: #359 Charles

Ace always meant things to be humorous, and tries never to delete any comment. He periodically has to remind his commenters that they aren’t funny. I’m sorry about the nastiness.

392 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:19:53pm

re: #371 Yashmak

Man, I always seem to arrive too late for the best meltdown/pile-ons.

Just wait, you might see a flounce-off yet.

393 Mithrax  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:20:00pm

re: #379 HoosierHoops

Noooooooo!
About 9 months ago I pissed off a lizard so bad cause we were going to Detroit..Crossing the Border and sneaking Cigars across the border in the trunk… I know a box of Cubans may bring the end of the world as we know it…But really….We all need to help the Global economy….
What really pissed him off is that my buddy was driving and smoking a cigar at the border at Windsor…We lied to a federal agent and should go to jail…
It was so funny to me….Whatever….

I have a spare Cohiba ;)

394 JustABill  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:20:00pm

re: #335 HoosierHoops

Avanti is gearing up right now! LOL
I so want Cuban Cigars legal in the USA….
Shameless!

Who knows by the end of this administration, goods from Cuba may be allowed. Of course by that time Cigars may be illegal. So I guess you’d still be SOL…
/

395 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:20:23pm

re: #381 FurryOldGuyJeans

Hmmmm, could be they don’t want to, apparently.

They should. There’s nothing wrong with common decency in debate.

396 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:20:29pm

re: #380 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You’re Pusan your luck.


That’s cause I’ve got Seoul, with a capital ‘S’ *horn solo*

397 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:20:30pm

re: #355 Honorary Yooper

wow..that’s a zinger…anything else, Sally?

398 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:20:40pm

re: #386 strangelove

So what’s your handle at the stalker site?

399 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:20:46pm

re: #380 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You’re Pusan your luck.

Well, of Alda pun topics…!

400 MacDuff  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:20:48pm

re: #311 strangelove

You’re in a hole, stop digging. Drop the shovel and step away from it.

401 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:20:48pm

re: #383 reloadingisnotahobby

Who you calling fat!

*grovelling humbly before your avatar*

(-:

402 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:21:08pm

re: #379 HoosierHoops

Your a regular John fucking Dillinger!
LOL
Don’t ask what I’ve crossed a border with…..8-)

403 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:21:21pm
404 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:21:21pm

re: #386 strangelove

I’m sure Charles is just absolutely heart-broken at your disappointment.

/ yeah, that really, really was sarcasm; please don’t hit me so hard! ;)

405 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:21:32pm

re: #385 Sharmuta

They sure could. Wonder why they don’t……

They should. There’s nothing wrong with common decency in debate.

406 Yashmak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:21:43pm

re: #378 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The fat lady hasn’t sung yet.
Pile on!

At this point, I don’t think there’s much that can be said to strangelove that hasn’t already been…

And it’d kinda feel just plain mean, considering everyone else’s thoroughness.

Now, if we had a topic on how Stockton (my city) didn’t have a 4th of July fireworks display, then I’d probably be able to get riled up enough to pile-on. The 4th with no fireworks is like apple pie with no apples.

407 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:22:31pm

re: #405 MandyManners

They should. There’s nothing wrong with common decency in debate.

Sadly common decency is no longer a political asset.

408 Bloodnok  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:22:44pm

re: #386 strangelove

*Hums The Battle Hymn of the Republic*
/

409 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:22:47pm

re: #399 MandyManners

Well, of Alda pun topics…!


oooh. You’re on my Radar now, missy.

410 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:22:54pm

re: #394 JustABill

Who knows by the end of this administration, goods from Cuba may be allowed. Of course by that time Cigars may be illegal. So I guess you’d still be SOL…
/

Quick, tell Raul to yank the tobacco plants and start planting medicinal pot. That should get them ahead of the curve. /

411 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:22:59pm

re: #393 Mithrax

I have a spare Cohiba ;)

Nooooooo! I am so jealous!

412 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:23:03pm

re: #388 FurryOldGuyJeans

Maybe this time I don’t need to grease up. ;)

(absolute *crickets* regarding that one)
/and moving WAY over to the side of the room … :D

413 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:23:11pm

re: #387 subsailor68

On a happier note, I caught part of Tiger Woods’ tournament at Congressional yesterday. There were a ton of wounded vets invited, and things were set to have them participate. How cool is that?

Saw Tiger come off the seventeenth green (I believe) and walk past a vet (quadriplegic in a wheelchair). As he walked by he did a fist-bump with the vet - Tiger’s fist and the vet’s stump.

No hesitation, no awkwardness - on either one’s part - just two guys grinning at each other and celebrating.

My thought when I saw it? The vet is a true hero, and Tiger is a class act. God bless them both.

That was wonderful to see. Tiger gave out thousands of tickets to service people to enjoy the golf game.

414 Mithrax  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:23:11pm

re: #409 RunningBare

oooh. You’re on my Radar now, missy.

O’Riley?

415 Tumulus11  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:23:12pm

. Sometimes you just pine for the stick.

416 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:23:25pm

re: #386 strangelove

You know, sometimes you just hope that somewhere out there, there is true Sons-of-Liberty style resistance to tyranny. You pine for the days when righteous struggles against oppressive governments are legitimate causes worth risking your life for. You hope you’re not trading one brand of thuggery for another.

If this guy Paul Topete is really blaming Jews for what ails the country, then that’s just pathetic. A country went down that road in 1939 with disastrous results.

Signed,
Another Lizard disappointed yet again.

Take heart. There are many ways to fight for righteousness that do not involve Jew-hating bastards.

Why don’t you post here more and ask questions? Saying that you don’t know something is the first step to knowledge.

417 Mithrax  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:23:27pm

re: #411 HoosierHoops

Nooooooo! I am so jealous!

Actually, 5 :P

I should smoke these soon…..

418 Wendya  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:23:38pm

re: #306 subsailor68

Bingo! That goes directly to my point in the earlier post about how people change their behavior in response to tax policy proposals or implementation. So what would they do then? Hmmm….you have to renew your registration every year. I could see them requiring - during the vehicle inspection - an upload of your odometer reading as a baseline. Then, every year you renew, the difference between the opening and closing odometer reading would be used to calculate the tax, which would be added to your registration fee.

If it were strictly on odometer readings, people would be tampering with them across the nation.

419 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:23:45pm
Remember, all -isms of the last 500 years came from and grew out of the Sabbatean-Jewish mindset. Bolshevism, Communism, Socialism, Feminism, Jacobism, Neo-Conism etc… It is these satanic Jews, and the Rosicrucian Goyim henchmen that need to be erased from our planet. They are the cancer that is destroying humanity. All for the sake of greed and power. They want what little you and I have, while we want NOTHING of them or their ill-gotten fortunes. We believe in live, let live, while they practice: just who will get to live in the future.

I don’t know….seems a little nuanced and ambiguous to me.

420 VioletTiger  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:24:10pm

re: #386 strangelove

You know, sometimes you just hope that somewhere out there, there is true Sons-of-Liberty style resistance to tyranny. You pine for the days when righteous struggles against oppressive governments are legitimate causes worth risking your life for. You hope you’re not trading one brand of thuggery for another.
If this guy Paul Topete is really blaming Jews for what ails the country, then that’s just pathetic. A country went down that road in 1939 with disastrous results.

Signed,
Another Lizard disappointed yet again.

So next time, check to make sure that the people you are supporting are not doing just that.

421 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:24:11pm

re: #384 Honorary Yooper

What that means is that they are underposted and should require a speed study to find the 85th percentile speed. Too many speed limits are set by legislative fiat rather than engineering restraints (including the 85th percentile speed).

Believe me, that stretch of Rt 2, with a stop light every 2 miles, probably shouldn’t have a 60 limit. But it really should be upgraded; it is the only east/west route for northern Mass, and that stretch is a disgrace. It’s so bad people would rather take the commuter rail even if the air conditioning is broken 75% of the time.
However, if they put in sensors and timed the lights for 45 plus acceleration time, they’d probably find traffic moves a lot better and people would go the speed limit to get through the lights.
As it is now, I’ve found faster is better to get through the lights. They have sensors, but are independent, so if you go 45, you get to the next light just as it turns red because all the cars that were waiting got through.

422 Yashmak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:24:46pm

re: #418 Wendya

If it were strictly on odometer readings, people would be tampering with them across the nation.

…right as rain…and the fact that most are digital now wouldn’t stop techies from figuring out a way. Heck, it’d probably be easier than tampering with the analog ones.

423 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:24:57pm

re: #399 MandyManners

Well, of Alda pun topics…!


That was unparalleled punning.

424 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:24:58pm

re: #343 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have heard stories of car rental places basically fining people for speeding using GPS. I never looked into it. Any truth?

I’ve read that too, but can’t remember where. Also big fees from the rental car companies for taking a vehicle out of state when the fine print in the contract said there’d be a surcharge.

425 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:25:21pm

re: #403 buzzsawmonkey

Is “Topete” that assclown’s real name, or has he—despite his obvious antipathy towards Jews—adopted a pseud based upon the Hebrew “Tophet,” one of the euphemisms for the underworld?

Oh, wow.

426 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:25:28pm

re: #399 MandyManners

Well, of Alda pun topics…!

(omg, I can think of several “hot lips” comebacks, but every one would get my hide nailed to the barn!)

427 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:25:34pm

re: #386 strangelove

You know, sometimes you just hope that somewhere out there, there is true Sons-of-Liberty style resistance to tyranny. You pine for the days when righteous struggles against oppressive governments are legitimate causes worth risking your life for. You hope you’re not trading one brand of thuggery for another.

If this guy Paul Topete is really blaming Jews for what ails the country, then that’s just pathetic. A country went down that road in 1939 with disastrous results.

Signed,
Another Lizard disappointed yet again.

Translation: Ordinary politics is too much hard work, and boring. I’m looking for excitement, and if it involves incitement, that’s ok, until somebody objects.

428 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:25:42pm

re: #380 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You’re Pusan your luck.

He’s just inchon along……..

429 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:25:51pm

re: #409 RunningBare

oooh. You’re on my Radar now, missy.

Can I be frank with you?

430 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:26:04pm

re: #399 MandyManners

Well, of Alda pun topics…!

Well that’s going to bring a Mash up of pun themes. Almost could be suicide.

431 Alan K. Henderson  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:26:07pm

I have mixed feelings on the booing. Cornyn votes conservative more often than not, but the stimulus vote was a massive breach of human decency.

432 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:26:21pm

re: #416 MandyManners

Take heart. There are many ways to fight for righteousness that do not involve Jew-hating bastards.

Why don’t you post here more and ask questions? Saying that you don’t know something is the first step to knowledge.

I’m not so sure he’s interested in asking questions.

strangelove
Karma: -149
Registered since: Dec 1, 2004 at 3:28 pm
(Logged in)
No. of comments posted: 150
No. of links posted: 0

A mere 150 since 2004. Very talkative indeed.

433 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:26:35pm

re: #386 strangelove

You know, sometimes you just hope that somewhere out there, there is true Sons-of-Liberty style resistance to tyranny. You pine for the days when righteous struggles against oppressive governments are legitimate causes worth risking your life for. You hope you’re not trading one brand of thuggery for another.

What particular “resistance” action of the Sons of Liberty are you pining for?

434 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:26:48pm

re: #386 strangelove

Good Gravy, Man! Get a grip! You want to talk about repressive regimes! You have no idea what an oppressive regime is. You really want to talk that smack right now- when Iranians are dying in the streets? Rude. You let me know when the jack booted 0bama boots start marching down the street, shoving people in FEMA camps, m’kay? Until then- STFU about repression, paulbot.

435 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:26:54pm

re: #409 RunningBare

oooh. You’re on my Radar now, missy.

You need to be swit to catch her…….

436 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:26:58pm

re: #418 Wendya

If it were strictly on odometer readings, people would be tampering with them across the nation.

Ummm… the gun I don’t own accidently went off and shot the odometer right out of my dashboard. /

437 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:27:24pm

re: #406 Yashmak

An apple pie with no apples is called a crust. A 4th with no boom-boom was called Saturday. Sorry. That sucks.

438 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:27:26pm

re: #406 Yashmak

Stockton!
What th’ hell has Stockton turned into?
/well, uh, … over the past 50 years, that is.

439 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:27:44pm

re: #415 Tumulus11

. Sometimes you just pine for the stick.

Or, the fjords.

[Link: www.vikingkittens.com…]

440 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:27:54pm

re: #426 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(omg, I can think of several “hot lips” comebacks, but every one would get my hide nailed to the barn!)


No fair keeping it Private.

441 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:28:07pm

re: #414 Mithrax

O’Riley?

re: #430 BlueCanuck

Well that’s going to bring a Mash up of pun themes. Almost could be suicide.

Man, how Farr will people go to pun?

442 BlueCanuck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:28:10pm

re: #429 MandyManners

Can I be frank with you?

Don’t make me get my Winchester.

443 Yashmak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:28:22pm

re: #434 Sharmuta

Good Gravy, Man! Get a grip! You want to talk about repressive regimes! You have no idea what an oppressive regime is. You really want to talk that smack right now- when Iranians are dying in the streets? Rude. You let me know when the jack booted 0bama boots start marching down the street, shoving people in FEMA camps, m’kay? Until then- STFU about repression, paulbot.

No joke. While people were bleeding for their votes in Tehran, Americans held a riot FOR FUN in L.A. over a freakin’ basketball game. Last I heard, none of those rioters were hauled off by the thought police…although some may have been incarcerated by the regular police :)

444 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:28:23pm

I’m a little macintired of the puns…

445 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:28:28pm

re: #418 Wendya

If it were strictly on odometer readings, people would be tampering with them across the nation.

Heck, I did that in high school when my dad restricted me to 250 miles per week.

446 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:28:29pm

re: #430 BlueCanuck

Well that’s going to bring a Mash up of pun themes. Almost could be suicide.

I thought this would get on someone’s Radar.
But still, (to keep somewhat on topic), every Paulian really Burns me, in a Major way.

447 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:28:41pm

re: #402 reloadingisnotahobby

Your a regular John fucking Dillinger!
LOL
Don’t ask what I’ve crossed a border with…..8-)

It was so funny.everybody was drinking coffee here in the early morning and I said we scored some Cubans….Lizard went insane..So you know me…I just had to push it…..It was a fun morning…Somebody still hates me

448 Mithrax  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:28:44pm

re: #441 RunningBare

Man, how Farr will people go to pun?

Toledo to watch the mudhens!

449 JHW  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:28:46pm

re: #434 Sharmuta

Right on, especially given the topic of the last thread.

450 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:28:49pm

re: #436 DaddyG

Ummm… the gun I don’t own accidently went off and shot the odometer right out of my dashboard. /

Bizarre drive-by!

451 Dianna  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:29:01pm

re: #406 Yashmak

San Jose didn’t have one, this year. Nor did the Church on the Hill. The San Jose Giants (local farm team) had a bigger show to make up for it.

452 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:29:05pm

re: #421 Kosh’s Shadow

Traffic signal timing works very well to control speeds. People figure out very quickly what they need to do to keep moving rather than slowing down. Our problem around Chicago’s suburbs is that few of the signals are timed in such a way to let people through them. In fact, there are times I swear the signals are deliberately set to trap people rather than let traffic move.

453 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:29:14pm

re: #443 Yashmak

No joke. While people were bleeding for their votes in Tehran, Americans held a riot FOR FUN in L.A. over a freakin’ basketball game. Last I heard, none of those rioters were hauled off by the thought police…although some may have been incarcerated by the regular police :)

And Honduras is not looking rosy at the moment either.

454 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:29:23pm

re: #423 DaddyG

That was unparalleled punning.

*crutsy*

455 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:29:25pm

re: #433 Charles

What particular “resistance” action of the Sons of Liberty are you pining for?

He pining for the fjords.

456 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:29:29pm

re: #437 Cannadian Club Akbar

An apple pie with no apples is called a crust. A 4th with no boom-boom was called Saturday. Sorry. That sucks.

Boom-boom with an apple pie is called a really bad teen shock flick.

457 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:29:33pm

re: #438 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Stockton!
What th’ hell has Stockton turned into?
/well, uh, … over the past 50 years, that is.

The gateway to Lodi.

458 anchors_aweigh  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:29:44pm

re: #390 buzzsawmonkey

You are, unfortunately, sadly confused, co-mingling the ordinary process of amending the Constitution (i.e., proposing a particular change and then subjecting it to a long and deliberate process of potential ratification) with a Constitutional Convention, which would involve potentially scrapping, or drastically rewriting, the entire document.

Get your terminology straight.

Damn, sorry, I forgot you know everything.

The Constitution, then, spells out four paths for an amendment:

Proposal by convention of states, ratification by state conventions (never used)
Proposal by convention of states, ratification by state legislatures (never used)
Proposal by Congress, ratification by state conventions (used once)
Proposal by Congress, ratification by state legislatures (used all other times)

459 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:29:52pm
460 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:29:53pm

re: #454 MandyManners

*crutsy*

*curtsy*

461 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:30:00pm

re: #454 MandyManners

*crutsy*

crutsy? o_O

462 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:30:09pm

re: #454 MandyManners

*crutsy*

Harsh.

463 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:30:26pm

re: #447 HoosierHoops

It was so funny.everybody was drinking coffee here in the early morning and I said we scored some Cubans….Lizard went insane..So you know me…I just had to push it…..It was a fun morning…Somebody still hates me

I had access to Cubans when I lived in Saudi. Some were good, some not so. Their allure will fade fast once they’re legalized, IMO.

464 MacDuff  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:30:27pm

re: #386 strangelove

You’re staring to sound pretty weird, and more than a little scary.

465 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:30:39pm

Apple pie with no apples is what Obama has spoon fed us for the lest few months.

466 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:30:40pm

re: #426 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(omg, I can think of several “hot lips” comebacks, but every one would get my hide nailed to the barn!)

By a Winchester?

467 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:30:44pm

Crusty?

468 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:30:57pm

Terrorist Fireworks Public Safety Commercial

Youtube Video
469 Yashmak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:31:03pm

re: #451 Dianna

San Jose didn’t have one, this year. Nor did the Church on the Hill. The San Jose Giants (local farm team) had a bigger show to make up for it.

Somehow, I don’t find that very consoling :)

Ah well, I lit sparklers and had 2 bottle rockets for my grand finale.

470 Mithrax  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:31:12pm

re: #466 MandyManners

By a Winchester?

He’ll get it on the third shot :P

471 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:31:23pm

re: #452 Honorary Yooper

The problem I see with the Chicago suburbs is ah…..ahhhh
………….Ah the close proximity to ….ah CHICAGO!
LOL
I’m outta here !

472 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:31:28pm

re: #464 MacDuff

You’re staring to sound pretty weird, and more than a little scary.

Weird was there from the start this thread, scary is something he is working real hard at achieving.

473 redstateredneck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:31:28pm

re: #444 quiet man

I’m a little macintired of the puns…


That was a Farr stretch.

474 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:31:29pm

re: #430 BlueCanuck

Well that’s going to bring a Mash up of pun themes. Almost could be suicide.

To the Max.

475 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:31:30pm

re: #466 MandyManners
That was a low caliber pun

476 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:31:39pm

re: #459 buzzsawmonkey

Latin America to Obama: if you can’t help us, at least don’t Honduras.

He could send Donna Brazil down there.

477 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:31:50pm

re: #406 Yashmak

Youtube Video
478 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:32:05pm

re: #460 MandyManners

*curtsy*

Whew! I thought you’d come up with a new insult!

479 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:32:17pm

re: #476 capitalist piglet

He could send Donna Brazil down there.

! ROTFLMAO !

480 Wendya  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:32:23pm

re: #297 reloadingisnotahobby

500 gallon?
Flushing out?
Careful! They’ll be WATCHING!
//
Do ya have a permit?
Environmental impact study?
What was in the tank ? How long have you owned the tank?
Who was the previous owner of the tank?……etc…etc….
Been there done that ……Buy a NEW Tank and hang on to the all the paper work!
Moved a water tank onto forest property once!
The key word here is ONCE!

Luckily, this state/county is pretty liberal when it comes to that. The tank is now sitting on its permanent site, it just hasn’t been used in a couple of years. This is a small population rural area so they’re not uncommon.

481 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:32:25pm

re: #452 Honorary Yooper

Traffic signal timing works very well to control speeds. People figure out very quickly what they need to do to keep moving rather than slowing down. Our problem around Chicago’s suburbs is that few of the signals are timed in such a way to let people through them. In fact, there are times I swear the signals are deliberately set to trap people rather than let traffic move.

If they’re on independent sensors, they’ll do this, because once everyone gets through the light, the sensor says it is OK to turn red, even though the next batch of traffic from the previous light is just getting there. The lights need to be connected so the next light knows when the previous one turns green, and it can add the expected travel time, then turn green itself.

482 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:32:27pm

re: #434 Sharmuta

Good Gravy, Man! Get a grip! You want to talk about repressive regimes! You have no idea what an oppressive regime is. You really want to talk that smack right now- when Iranians are dying in the streets? Rude. You let me know when the jack booted 0bama boots start marching down the street, shoving people in FEMA camps, m’kay? Until then- STFU about repression, paulbot.

Have I told you lately how beautiful you are when you’re mad?

483 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:33:04pm

re: #440 DaddyG

No fair keeping it Private.

No way!
Stinky’s bad, but Mandy’s absolutely DEADLY!

484 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:33:38pm
485 jcbunga  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:33:50pm

I consider virtually every politician today to be a traitor and I even looked up the word to fact check myself:
“a person who betrays friends, country, a cause, etc. [Latin tradere to hand over]”

That might be a bit extreme for most, but it comes down to a question of whether or not you believe the nation—us—are at risk because of the actions of our elected officials.

I suggest it’s not extreme to be upset about illegal immigration, government growth and tax rates. These are not new issues, yet who among us feels we have a representative government that is dealing with them?

The health plan fiasco is a perfect example of the rift. The drafters slipped in a provision that members of the House and Senate will be able to retain their current plans.

How is that defensible?

Elected office has become a wealth-making opportunity, not civil service. Nothing new, but it’s a question of degree, like treason.

There are only two possible explanations as I see it—

Our elected officials either see the dangers of illegal immigration, energy and tax rates and choose to do nothing, in which case they ARE traitors, or they do not see these dangers, in which case they are incompetent.

In either case, I think we can do better.

The real test will be how much of this socialism gets rolled back in 2010 and 2012, and how much is retained as past practice by the next batch. It’s unsustainable, and what will happen when the baby boomers are out of the work force?

My $0.02.

486 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:33:51pm

re: #454 MandyManners

*crutsy*

I liked it this way. Sometimes you have to pay attention to what Lizards mean not what they type.

487 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:33:51pm

re: #442 BlueCanuck

Don’t make me get my Winchester.

Oh, just go crank up your Emerson speakers.

488 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:34:21pm

re: #457 debutaunt

The gateway to Lodi.

Don’t get stuck in Lodi again

Youtube Video
489 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:34:39pm

re: #483 pre-Boomer Marine brat

No way!
Stinky’s bad, but Mandy’s absolutely DEADLY!

Mandy, could you leave the room for a minute to allow pBMb free expression?

490 Wendya  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:34:42pm

re: #422 Yashmak

…right as rain…and the fact that most are digital now wouldn’t stop techies from figuring out a way. Heck, it’d probably be easier than tampering with the analog ones.

The speedometer on my CJ died last year. I’m kind of sorry I had it replaced.

491 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:34:51pm

re: #473 redstateredneck

A bit of a klinger pun there…

492 Yashmak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:35:06pm

re: #488 Kosh’s Shadow

Don’t get stuck in Lodi again

Youtube Video

Incidentally, Lodi is where I grew up. Great place to live, not such an exciting place to visit though.

493 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:35:16pm

re: #463 LGoPs

I had access to Cubans when I lived in Saudi. Some were good, some not so. Their allure will fade fast once they’re legalized, IMO.

LOL
It’s the Brand… So it’s your friends birthday and you give him a bottle of Wine and a Cuban Cigar… I don’t care if it takes like Rosie O’Donald’s Ass.. You smoke it and smile…Cause I love ya..
It’s the Brand….LOL

494 hazzyday  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:35:26pm

re: #386 strangelove

It’s just sounds like your solution is worse then the problem.

495 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:35:41pm

re: #482 MandyManners

Have I told you lately how beautiful you are when you’re mad?

*blush*

496 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:35:44pm

re: #489 scottishbuzzsaw

Mandy, could you leave the room for a minute to allow pBMb free expression?

YER TRYIN’ T’ GET ME KILLED ! ! !

497 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:36:08pm

Armstrong jumps from 10th to 3rd at Tour de France
Jul 6 01:46 PM US/Eastern
By JAMEY KEATEN
Associated Press Writer

LA GRANDE-MOTTE, France (AP) - Lance Armstrong jumped from 10th to third place at the Tour de France on Monday, positioning himself for a shot at the yellow jersey after evading trouble on a windy ride along the Mediterranean.

Britain’s Mark Cavendish won his second straight stage. He and Armstrong and overall leader Fabian Cancellara of Switzerland kept up with a breakaway group that bolted from the pack with 18 miles left in the 122-mile third stage.

Armstrong, a seven-time champion coming out of retirement, is 40 seconds behind. He was able to make his big jump because riders in front of him at the start of the day got trapped in the main pack.

498 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:36:52pm

re: #386 strangelove

You know, sometimes you just hope that somewhere out there, there is true Sons-of-Liberty style resistance to tyranny. You pine for the days when righteous struggles against oppressive governments are legitimate causes worth risking your life for. You hope you’re not trading one brand of thuggery for another.

If this guy Paul Topete is really blaming Jews for what ails the country, then that’s just pathetic. A country went down that road in 1939 with disastrous results.

Signed,
Another Lizard disappointed yet again.

What do you mean IF. Did you not read the interview? There is no IF about it. That’s what he freaking SAID.

499 3 wood  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:36:58pm

re: #366 Kosh’s Shadow

Parts of Rt. 2 come to mind; limit 45, actual 55-60 if the traffic allows.


55 south from Chicago is the same. Posted 65 and the average speed is around 80. Last night they were doing 75 in the posted construction zones.

500 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:37:06pm

re: #491 quiet man

A bit of a klinger pun there…

They did dress it up a bit.

501 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:37:17pm

One of the motto’s of the American revolution was “No taxation without representation”

The new motto needs to be “No taxation without representatives reading the fucking bill they’re voting on”

502 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:37:30pm

re: #437 Cannadian Club Akbar

An apple pie with no apples is called a crust. A 4th with no boom-boom was called Saturday. Sorry. That sucks.

I was in Canada on the 4th.

503 Dianna  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:37:44pm

re: #500 DaddyG

They did dress it up a bit.

But it’s starting to drag at us.

504 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:38:04pm

Iranian Ballot Boxes Found on a Construction Site

Great, I’m sure these new votes will help clear up the mess.

505 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:38:09pm

OT - testing new avatar…

Maisey and Me.

506 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:38:12pm

re: #479 RunningBare

! ROTFLMAO !

I thought, “Why is he laughing so hard? It wasn’t even funny.”

Then I realized who I was dealing with. Then I understood how you took it.

507 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:38:26pm

The groceries won’t buy themselves.

Have a great afternoon, Lizards, and keep fact-checking asses!

508 redstateredneck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:38:47pm

re: #505 Walter L. Newton

OT - testing new avatar…

Maisey and Me.

{Maisey!

509 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:38:48pm

OT Jeff Fisher giving a statement about Steve McNair on FOX. “What Steve would want me to say …” Nashville, TN.

510 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:38:54pm

re: #506 capitalist piglet

I thought, “Why is he laughing so hard? It wasn’t even funny.”

Then I realized who I was dealing with. Then I understood how you took it.


Moi? *looks around nervously*

511 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:39:06pm

re: #505 Walter L. Newton

OT - testing new avatar…

Maisey and Me.

Maisey is cute.

512 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:39:07pm

re: #505 Walter L. Newton

OT - testing new avatar…

Maisey and Me.

You look just like a parrot. Who’s the guy in the hat?
/

513 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:39:16pm

re: #505 Walter L. Newton

OT - testing new avatar…

Maisey and Me.

Good one!

514 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:39:16pm

re: #496 pre-Boomer Marine brat

YER TRYIN’ T’ GET ME KILLED ! ! !

*blinking innocently*

515 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:39:16pm

re: #358 DaddyG

Does this make me a Rosicrucian Goyim Honco?/

I can remember seeing little ads for “The Rosicrucians”, in the back of magazines like Popular Science, when I was a kid. I always wondered who they were. I assumed they were some Catholic order.

516 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:39:18pm

re: #453 FurryOldGuyJeans

And Honduras is not looking rosy at the moment either.

I am having a little trouble understanding why most of the world seems to be hatin’ on Honduras right now. Everyone, right down to Fox News is referring to the change in leadership as a “coup”. From what I can tell, it was sort of an enforcement act by the military in support of the supreme court, the legislature, and the constitution. Am I being naive here? From where I sit, it doesn’t look like a “coup”.

517 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:39:19pm

re: #500 DaddyG
I think we should flagg that post

518 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:39:35pm

re: #499 3 wood

55 south from Chicago is the same. Posted 65 and the average speed is around 80. Last night they were doing 75 in the posted construction zones.

That sounds like any highway in Massachusetts. The stretch of Rt. 2 I was talking about has traffic lights every couple of miles!

Rt. 3 north of 128 still has a 55 speed limit even though it was just upgraded; speed is 70-80 normally.

519 MacDuff  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:39:46pm

re: #497 FurryOldGuyJeans

Well, it seems the old boy still has it in him. Thanks for the update!

520 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:39:50pm

re: #499 3 wood

55 south from Chicago is the same. Posted 65 and the average speed is around 80. Last night they were doing 75 in the posted construction zones.


I learned to drive highway on I-55 just outside of Bolingbrook. Crazy drivers are the norm. Here in Atl. we have the 285 loop AKA the Watermelon 500. Depending on traffic you can go light speed or parked. There is no in-between.

521 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:39:55pm

re: #511 doppelganglander

COLD!

522 redstateredneck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:39:56pm

re: #508 redstateredneck

{Maisey!

Sorry, Maisey.

{Maisey} !

523 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:40:04pm

re: #505 Walter L. Newton

OT - testing new avatar…

Maisey and Me.

OH I love that one. That’s a keeper!

524 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:40:05pm

re: #505 Walter L. Newton

OT - testing new avatar…

Maisey and Me.

What?

525 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:40:22pm

re: #504 Kenneth

Iranian Ballot Boxes Found on a Construction Site

Great, I’m sure these new votes will help clear up the mess.

Did they hire consultants from Chicago?

526 anchors_aweigh  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:40:26pm

re: #484 buzzsawmonkey

From your link:

In other words, if the Constitutional Convention method—never used—were actually put into practice, all bets are off. There is absolutely nothing that would stop the Convention from scrapping or drastically rewriting the document.

You mean other than the requirement for the proposed amendment(s) to be approved by “three-fourths of the legislatures or conventions”?

Are you seriously arguing that our constitution has some kind of “poison pill” in it?

527 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:40:40pm

re: #504 Kenneth

Iranian Ballot Boxes Found on a Construction Site

Great, I’m sure these new votes will help clear up the mess.


More votes for Al Franken. /

528 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:40:47pm

re: #502 Alouette

I was in Canada on the 4th.

I was in Florida on the 1st. Still am.

529 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:40:47pm

re: #516 eschew_obfuscation

I am having a little trouble understanding why most of the world seems to be hatin’ on Honduras right now. Everyone, right down to Fox News is referring to the change in leadership as a “coup”. From what I can tell, it was sort of an enforcement act by the military in support of the supreme court, the legislature, and the constitution. Am I being naive here? From where I sit, it doesn’t look like a “coup”.

It’s a coup simply because the military overthrew the government.

530 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:41:02pm

re: #505 Walter L. Newton

OT - testing new avatar…

Maisey and Me.


So, when you type, do you use the hunt & peck method?

531 Land Shark  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:41:29pm

Unfortunately, the way the economy is spinning down the drain thanks to the Obamanation’s amazingly reckless and uncontrolled spending, anybody but Obama will look more and more attractive by the time 2012 rolls around. I’ve already decided I’m voting for whichever candidate has the best chance of defeating Obama, like I did in ‘08. Hell, even if it’s that loon Ron Paul. I’m not to happy about that, but I’m far more concerned about the additional damage this Obamageddon we’re experiencing will cause if allowed to go on beyond 2012. As it is, I believe if things keep going the way they’re going we’re a Third World nation by 2012.

Please Lord, let me be wrong!

532 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:42:14pm

re: #520 DaddyG

I learned to drive highway on I-55 just outside of Bolingbrook. Crazy drivers are the norm. Here in Atl. we have the 285 loop AKA the Watermelon 500. Depending on traffic you can go light speed or parked. There is no in-between.

My driving instructor would complain if we didn’t squeal when we took corners, and complained if we went too slow.

533 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:42:17pm

re: #505 Walter L. Newton

OT - testing new avatar…

Maisey and Me.

Awwwww. Pretty bird.

534 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:42:39pm

re: #531 Land Shark
I would have to go a long way to say I would vote for “anybody but Obama”

thats how come we got Him!

535 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:42:59pm

re: #529 FurryOldGuyJeans

It’s a coup simply because the military overthrew the government.

Yeah, but they did it at the order of the government. And they turned power over to the government.

536 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:43:00pm

re: #503 Dianna

Dress? Drag? Pun thread?

537 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:43:10pm
538 RunningBare  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:43:36pm

re: #536 karmic_inquisitor

Dress? Drag? Pun thread?

I think people are trying to skirt around it.

539 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:43:36pm

re: #499 3 wood

55 south from Chicago is the same. Posted 65 and the average speed is around 80. Last night they were doing 75 in the posted construction zones.

I-55 is routinely insane and non-rountine. I am soooo glad they installed the concrete barrier in the median between I-80 and Weber Rd. Crossover accidents were par for the course in that stretch.

Now if they’d get their act together than raise the limits to 70 like four of the other states around Illinois already have, and even make it 70mph on the tollways in DuPage and Cook Counties, then we’d be talking.

540 Dianna  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:43:47pm

re: #529 FurryOldGuyJeans

It’s a coup simply because the military overthrew the government.

I always wonder if they mean “coup d’etat” or “coup de main”. But that’s because I read too much.

541 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:43:49pm

re: #520 DaddyG

I learned to drive highway on I-55 just outside of Bolingbrook. Crazy drivers are the norm. Here in Atl. we have the 285 loop AKA the Watermelon 500. Depending on traffic you can go light speed or parked. There is no in-between.

I can remember doing 80-85mph on I-75/85 through ATL, and getting passed. Insane.

542 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:43:55pm

re: #537 buzzsawmonkey
Me either..no constitutional convention with Obama and Pelosi in charge…I shudder to think.

543 Dianna  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:44:11pm

re: #536 karmic_inquisitor

Dress? Drag? Pun thread?

MASH + Klinger, so, yes.

544 redstateredneck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:44:54pm

re: #538 RunningBare

I think people are trying to skirt around it.

It started as a M*A*S*H thread, but it got hung up on Klinger.

545 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:45:04pm

re: #538 RunningBare

I think people are trying to skirt around it.

Pleat, let’s not do this.

546 alegrias  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:45:19pm

re: #529 FurryOldGuyJeans

It’s a coup simply because the military overthrew the government.

* * * *
BUT Honduras’ civilian Congress which asked for Zelaya to step down for his attempt to subvert Honduras’ one-term law, are STILL IN CHARGE.

547 J.D.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:45:35pm

re: #538 RunningBare

I think people are trying to skirt around it.


There’s been some hemming and hawing about it.

548 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:45:48pm

In case your 4th of July was too quiet:

Youtube Video
549 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:45:53pm
550 redstateredneck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:46:02pm

re: #541 Ward Cleaver

I can remember doing 80-85mph on I-75/85 through ATL, and getting passed. Insane.

The first time mrhightechredneck rode his motorcycle on 285 during rush hour he said he didn’t sh*t for a week. Kinda tensed up.

551 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:46:20pm

re: #547 J.D.

There’s been some hemming and hawing about it.

I’m away all day & what do I find? Darn puns!

552 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:46:23pm

re: #538 RunningBare

I think people are trying to skirt around it.

Well, we could just hem and haw…

553 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:46:30pm

re: #549 buzzsawmonkey
A perfect storm for sure

I thiunk we need a bigger boat

554 J.D.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:46:43pm

re: #552 scottishbuzzsaw

Well, we could just hem and haw…

gmta
;-)

555 MJ  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:46:43pm

Has the started to learn a lesson vis-a-vis it’s Mid-East policy regarding the settlement issue?
Note the press release coming out of the State Dept. just now:

Joint Statement by Special Envoy for Middle East Peace George Mitchell and Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak

Bureau of Public Affairs

Office of the Spokesman

Washington, DC

July 6, 2009


————————————————————————————————————————


The following is a joint statement by Special Envoy for Middle East Peace George Mitchell and Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak.


Begin Text:


Defense Minister Barak and Special Envoy Mitchell met today in London, following up their June 30 discussion in New York. They covered all aspects of Middle East peace and security. They re-affirmed their commitment to the common objective of a regional peace between Israel and the Palestinians, Syria, and Lebanon and the steps necessary to achieve it. These included measures on security and incitement by the Palestinians; steps by Arab states toward normalization with Israel; and, from Israel, actions on access and movement in the West Bank and on settlement activity. These constructive discussions will continue with Prime Minister Netanyahu, Defense Minister Barak, and other Israeli officials in the near future.


Note that the statement begins with what steps are necessary from the Arabs rather than from the Israelis. This is the fist time the Obama administration hasn’t started out by bashing Israel with the settlement issue.
Also, notice when they do talk about settlements, it’s mentioned at the end of the statement.

556 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:46:50pm

re: #546 alegrias

* * * *
BUT Honduras’ civilian Congress which asked for Zelaya to step down for his attempt to subvert Honduras’ one-term law, are STILL IN CHARGE.

It is still a coup because the military intervened in the civilian political arena.

557 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:46:55pm

re: #547 J.D.

There’s been some hemming and hawing about it.

Upon what is that baste?

558 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:47:04pm

re: #300 strangelove

What I get from his weird way of speaking is that he is saying no one should be special. If you read anti-semitism into that, I don’t.

A Jew a Black, or Woman should be no more priveleged or ‘special’ than anyone else, at least in terms of governmental policy. That should be pretty obvious.

Are you up for ‘equally protected under the law’? Because that’s what people like this really oppose.

559 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:47:05pm

re: #551 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You may have waisted some time here…

560 J.D.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:47:17pm

re: #551 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I’m away all day & what do I find? Darn puns!

Hey, I just got here.
They were already into it when I arrived!

561 Dianna  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:47:21pm

re: #535 LGoPs

Yeah, but they did it at the order of the government. And they turned power over to the government.

All too true. But…it’s the military. That means, automatically, that it was a bad thing.

Never mind that the legislature and the supreme court of Honduras wouldn’t have been able to do a thing if the military hadn’t been willing to step up and remove the president.

It should never have come to that, but that’s what you get when there is the expectation that one can refuse to give up power and get away with it.

562 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:47:51pm

re: #557 midwestgak
Ouch!

you zig zagged into that one..but you button holed it just right

563 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:47:58pm

re: #543 Dianna

MASH + Klinger, so, yes.

So we’ve brought a pun thread to heels.

564 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:48:02pm

re: #556 FurryOldGuyJeans

It is still a coup because the military intervened in the civilian political arena.

If I’m not mistaken, the military in Honduras is like the national police - no posse comatose there.

565 redstateredneck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:48:08pm

re: #557 midwestgak

Upon what is that baste?

You are sew right on, gak!

566 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:48:28pm

re: #557 midwestgak

Upon what is that baste?

On their bias.

567 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:48:47pm

re: #555 MJ

Has the started to learn a lesson vis-a-vis it’s Mid-East policy regarding the settlement issue?
Note the press release coming out of the State Dept. just now:

Joint Statement by Special Envoy for Middle East Peace George Mitchell and Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak

Bureau of Public Affairs

Office of the Spokesman

Washington, DC

July 6, 2009

————————————————————————— ———————————————

The following is a joint statement by Special Envoy for Middle East Peace George Mitchell and Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak.

Begin Text:


Note that the statement begins with what steps are necessary from the Arabs rather than from the Israelis. This is the fist time the Obama administration hasn’t started out by bashing Israel with the settlement issue.
Also, notice when they do talk about settlements, it’s mentioned at the end of the statement.

And the article in the Jerusalem Post talks about closing “illegal outposts”, not the major “settlements”.
Then, when the Arabs give Israel nothing* in return, we’ll see what happens.
*nothing except more terrorism, that is.

568 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:48:53pm
569 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:49:08pm

No more bobbin around the puns, guys…

570 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:49:19pm

re: #327 Wendya

From an interview with Paul Topete:


Wow.. I had no idea my grandfather worshiped Lucifer. ///

I’d never heard of Pokerface until this thread. I don’t have a lot of use for conspiracy theorists on the left, right or middle. They’ve got issues.

My dad used to chat up LaRouchites on the street, trying to ‘find out’ how high you had to go in the Masons to find out about the big conspiracies—like, did his Great Uncle George know about all this stuff?

They tended to get very confused and belligerent.

571 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:49:23pm

re: #561 Dianna

All too true. But…it’s the military. That means, automatically, that it was a bad thing.

Never mind that the legislature and the supreme court of Honduras wouldn’t have been able to do a thing if the military hadn’t been willing to step up and remove the president.

IIRC, the Chilean Congress & Supreme Court did the same thing in regards to Allende & Pinochet.

572 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:49:40pm

re: #560 J.D.

Hey, I just got here.
They were already into it when I arrived!

aha instead of just totally divorcing yourself of this pun issue you just do a little mini skirt around it.

573 kansas  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:49:49pm

re: #509 midwestgak

OT Jeff Fisher giving a statement about Steve McNair on FOX. “What Steve would want me to say …” Nashville, TN.

I’m thinking ,”Bitch shot me.”

574 redstateredneck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:49:52pm

re: #569 quiet man

No more bobbin around the puns, guys…

I’m beginning to see a pattern here.

575 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:50:12pm

re: #568 buzzsawmonkey

Ship of State
—Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

Thou, too, sail on, O Ship of State!
Sail on, O Union, strong and great!
Humanity with all its fears,
With all the hopes of future years,
Is hanging breathless on thy fate!
We know what Master laid thy keel,
What Workmen wrought thy ribs of steel,
Who made each mast, and sail, and rope,
What anvils rang, what hammers beat,
In what a forge and what a heat
Were shaped the anchors of thy hope!
Fear not each sudden sound and shock,
‘Tis of the wave and not the rock;
‘Tis but the flapping of the sail,
And not a rent made by the gale!
In spite of rock and tempest’s roar,
In spite of false lights on the shore,
Sail on, nor fear to breast the sea!
Our hearts, our hopes, are all with thee.
Our hearts, our hopes, our prayers, our tears,
Our faith triumphant o’er our fears,
Are all with thee, -are all with thee!

Someone tell Obama to stop making holes in the hull of the ship of state to let the water out, because it lets more water IN.

576 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:50:23pm

re: #427 wrenchwench

Translation: Ordinary politics is too much hard work, and boring. I’m looking for excitement, and if it involves incitement, that’s ok, until somebody objects.

Translation : Ordinary politics is too much BS, backroom deals, and dangerous to the United States. I’m looking for non-violent action, not talk. And if it involves incitement in LEGITIMATE ways, that’s ok. Unless a hand-wringer like you would rather just hold summits and take polls.

Unfortunately, you seem to represent the new face of the GOP:
Vapid, trying not to offend, lest the staus quo be disturbed. Willing to sacrifice your principles just to remain popular.

577 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:50:33pm

re: #562 quiet man

Ouch!

you zig zagged into that one..but you button holed it just right

zip it.

578 J.D.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:50:34pm

re: #572 turn

aha instead of just totally divorcing yourself of this pun issue you just do a little mini skirt around it.

Oh, just zipper it, will ya?

579 anchors_aweigh  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:50:42pm

re: #537 buzzsawmonkey

I am saying that if a Constitutional Convention is called, and that Convention decides to rewrite or scrap the existing document, and the rewrite/scrap-and-replace is then ratified by 3/4 of the Convention, the Constitution is gone, and is replaced by the rewrite. That is what the relevant passages say.

Keep that in mind as you suggest that one be called. Is that really what you want? Not me.

Hmmm….I think you are exaggerating to make your point. I don’t agree with your interpretation of the relevant passages…but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Enjoyed the debate. Sorry about the smart-ass crack. Gotta run.

580 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:50:48pm

re: #574 redstateredneck

I’m beginning to see a pattern here.

And with that this pun thread is all sewn up.

581 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:50:58pm

re: #570 SanFranciscoZionist

My dad used to chat up LaRouchites on the street, trying to ‘find out’ how high you had to go in the Masons to find out about the big conspiracies—like, did his Great Uncle George know about all this stuff?

They tended to get very confused and belligerent.

I politely declined a newsletter from one of those nuts one time, only to have him start screaming at me about the “dreamworld” I must be living in.

582 J.D.  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:50:59pm

re: #577 midwestgak

zip it.

.01 second

583 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:51:11pm

re: #358 DaddyG

Does this make me a Rosicrucian Goyim Honco?/

Goyim is plural, so unless you have multiple personalities, I’d settle for being a Rosicrucian Goy Honco.

584 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:51:11pm

strangelove, you have received a distinction that is hard to achieve; ALL of the bottom comments are yours.

Your asshattery is simply stupendous.

585 Shug  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:51:21pm

ROP unrest in China

At least 156 people have been killed in rioting in China’s northwestern Xinjiang region, with the government blaming exiled separatists for the traditionally Muslim area’s worst case of unrest in years.

Hundreds of people have been arrested, the official Xinhua news agency said, after protesters from the Uighur minority took to the streets of the regional capital Urumqi on Sunday, burning and smashing vehicles and shops, and clashing with police.

Police also dispersed about 200 people “trying to gather” at the Id Kah mosque in the center of the Silk Road city of Kashgar on Monday evening, Xinhua said.

The unrest underscores the volatile ethnic tensions that have accompanied China’s growing economic and political stake in its western frontiers.

586 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:51:24pm

re: #580 karmic_inquisitor

And with that this pun thread is all sewn up.

I don’t know; we could still spin another yarn.

587 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:51:37pm

re: #580 karmic_inquisitor
Some one was sure to knot this thread sometime

588 3 wood  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:51:50pm

re: #520 DaddyG

I learned to drive highway on I-55 just outside of Bolingbrook.

I got passed on the shoulder last night there…., and I was doing 75 at the time.

They’re nuts.

589 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:51:52pm

re: #573 kansas

I’m thinking ,”Bitch shot me.”

heh. Good one.

590 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:52:05pm

re: #586 Kosh’s Shadow
Do we really needle to?

591 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:52:17pm

re: #578 J.D.

Oh, just zipper it, will ya?

ok, I’ll crease and desist.

592 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:52:26pm

Something that concerns me. Obama and the democrats are making breathtaking moves at grabbing power and growing government. They know that the economic and employment effects will be dramatic if not ruinous. They know what happened under Jimmy Carter and certainly have to be aware that they will be in danger of being thrown out in the upcoming election cycles.
It has to be assumed that they are not stupid or at the very least not politically suicidal.
So what do they do to prevent paying the price electorally for their overreach?
I don’t have an answer, or at least not one that I even want to think about. Just asking.

593 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:52:56pm

re: #523 capitalist piglet

OH I love that one. That’s a keeper!

Thanks. Yes, I like that one.

594 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:53:07pm

re: #587 quiet man

Some one was sure to knot this thread sometime

Well Charles just posted a new thread so time to batten up the hatches.

595 quiet man  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:53:49pm

re: #594 karmic_inquisitor

Time for a new purl

596 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:53:53pm

re: #592 LGoPs

Something that concerns me. Obama and the democrats are making breathtaking moves at grabbing power and growing government. They know that the economic and employment effects will be dramatic if not ruinous. They know what happened under Jimmy Carter and certainly have to be aware that they will be in danger of being thrown out in the upcoming election cycles.
It has to be assumed that they are not stupid or at the very least not politically suicidal.
So what do they do to prevent paying the price electorally for their overreach?

Run against Republicans.

597 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:53:59pm
598 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:54:08pm

re: #521 pre-Boomer Marine brat

COLD!

I didn’t mean to imply anything about Walter’s appearance. I just had never seen Maisey before and I was remarking on her cuteness. Believe me, when I’m being mean, you’ll know it. ;)

599 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:54:14pm

re: #576 strangelove

Unfortunately, you seem to represent the new face of the GOP:
Vapid, trying not to offend, lest the staus quo be disturbed. Willing to sacrifice your principles just to remain popular.

I am, on principle, trying to offend you, because you offend me.

Off to a meeting.

600 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:54:15pm

re: #592 LGoPs

Something that concerns me. Obama and the democrats are making breathtaking moves at grabbing power and growing government. They know that the economic and employment effects will be dramatic if not ruinous. They know what happened under Jimmy Carter and certainly have to be aware that they will be in danger of being thrown out in the upcoming election cycles.
It has to be assumed that they are not stupid or at the very least not politically suicidal.
So what do they do to prevent paying the price electorally for their overreach?
I don’t have an answer, or at least not one that I even want to think about. Just asking.

FDR kept getting elected, so Obama’s fluffery and “concern” may yet get him re-elected in spite of his being at the center of the economic perfect storm.

601 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:54:34pm

re: #591 turn

ok, I’ll crease and desist.

I see a pattern here.

602 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:55:05pm

re: #590 quiet man

Do we really needle to?

If we do, it’s crochet with me.

603 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:55:11pm

re: #576 strangelove

“And if it involves incitement in LEGITIMATE ways, that’s ok.”

Incitement to what?

604 redstateredneck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:55:24pm

How I spent my 4th of July.Go to picture gallery - I’m on the boat in the 9th pic. 2nd year 1st place winner in the Patriotic category.

605 SecondComing  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:57:13pm
One woman, Jennifer, dressed as Wonder Woman, when asked the reason for her attendance, she replied she was there was ‘to defend the Constitution and the hold the Government accountable“. She went on to say that she wanted to leave the rally knowing she had made some sort of a difference and that the Government would hear their cries.

Yeah, dressing as Wonder Woman should do it!


I’m just going to pretend it’s some hot young girl, even though I’m sure it’s the complete opposite.

606 CommonCents  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:57:45pm
“The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.”

Can some legalese type explain what this means?

607 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:58:07pm

re: #605 SecondComing

Yeah, dressing as Wonder Woman should do it!

I’m just going to pretend it’s some hot young girl, even though I’m sure it’s the complete opposite.

I won’t even ask what the guy dressed as Aquaman was hoping to accomplish.

608 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 12:59:28pm

re: #604 redstateredneck

How I spent my 4th of July.Go to picture gallery - I’m on the boat in the 9th pic. 2nd year 1st place winner in the Patriotic category.

Congratulations!

That picture on the main page, with the priest blessing the bikini-clad boaters wearing beads, is just begging for a caption contest.

609 MacDuff  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:02:11pm

re: #576 strangelove

Man, I have to tell you that you sound like a perfect candidate for a radical fringe movement recruiter. Really, listen to yourself.

610 redstateredneck  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:03:00pm

re: #608 doppelganglander

Congratulations!

That picture on the main page, with the priest blessing the bikini-clad boaters wearing beads, is just begging for a caption contest.

I get blessed every year. We’re always drinking and blaring rock & roll music. He gets a big kick out of it.

611 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:04:24pm

re: #592 LGoPs

Something that concerns me. Obama and the democrats are making breathtaking moves at grabbing power and growing government. They know that the economic and employment effects will be dramatic if not ruinous. They know what happened under Jimmy Carter and certainly have to be aware that they will be in danger of being thrown out in the upcoming election cycles.
It has to be assumed that they are not stupid or at the very least not politically suicidal.
So what do they do to prevent paying the price electorally for their overreach?
I don’t have an answer, or at least not one that I even want to think about. Just asking.

You’re echoing recent thoughts of mine almost word for word.

My only answer, and a weak one at that, is that perhaps they’ll attempt to revive the “repeal the 22nd amendment” movement.

612 jvic  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:07:41pm

re: #596 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #592 LGoPs

Something that concerns me. Obama and the democrats are making breathtaking moves at grabbing power and growing government. …
It has to be assumed that they are not stupid or at the very least not politically suicidal.
So what do they do to prevent paying the price electorally for their overreach?

Run against Republicans.

This is hilarious and I burst out laughing.

But I only laugh when it hurts. :-(

613 Land Shark  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:10:25pm

re: #534 quiet man

I would have to go a long way to say I would vote for “anybody but Obama”

thats how come we got Him!

Well, I’m already there. I think when all is said and done Obama is gonna make every previous President look like the greatest, even that loser Jimmy Carter. I already believe GW Bush TOWERS over Obama, and I’m not all impressed by his tenure. Unless it’s Pat Buchanan or some other racist freak or some child molester, I’ll vote for however his strongest opponent is. I don’t like it, but there it is.

I think you’re wrong on how we got Obama. We got him because the MSM covered up the guy and never looked into his background and who he really is. We were given a feel good cult of personality and he campaigned as something he wasn’t: a centrist/moderate. We now see the Marxist behind the suit.

614 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:10:55pm

re: #516 eschew_obfuscation

I am having a little trouble understanding why most of the world seems to be hatin’ on Honduras right now. Everyone, right down to Fox News is referring to the change in leadership as a “coup”. From what I can tell, it was sort of an enforcement act by the military in support of the supreme court, the legislature, and the constitution. Am I being naive here? From where I sit, it doesn’t look like a “coup”.

Anything that involves the military escorting the president out of the country in his PJs raises some bad memories in Latin America. I’m not sold on the idea that this was a legitimate way to remove Zelaya, if indeed he needed removing, which I don’t know enough about Honduran law to say.

615 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:19:49pm

re: #614 SanFranciscoZionist

A good analysis of what happened in Honduras here.

…it is disappointing to know that the international community - including the UN, Organization of American States, and the US - was quick to condemn the removal of Zelaya and announce its disapproval of the existing government, given the background of Zelaya and what prompted his removal. A review of what happened in Honduras shows that it was Zelaya who first committed constitutional shortcuts by disregarding the Honduran Congress in calling for a referendum to amend the constitution. The Honduran Supreme Court, backed by the attorney general, ruled that Zelaya’s call for a referendum was unconstitutional. Zelaya defied the Supreme Court ruling by firing the army chief who refused to support Zelaya’s self-initiated referendum. This prompted the military, in support of the Supreme Court’s ruling, to arrest Zelaya. As a result of this the Honduran Congress installed Roberto Micheletti, the constitutional successor to the president. …

The idea that Zelaya ought to be supported by Washington because he is considered by some NGOs to be a “man of the people” may or may not have moral validity. But even if he were, restoring him in violation of Honduran laws also has a downside. Those who worked for years to restore the semblance of constitutional rule in a Third World after a dictator has torn them up know how that it is much easier to scramble an egg than to unscramble it. Once the laws of Honduras are circumvented with a wink and a nod the temptation to circumvent them again will be irresistible. Honduras and the Honduran constitution may not mean much beyond a narrow circle in Washington, but to the Hondurans, it is all they have.

There are probably a great many ambitious leaders in the Third World who are watching how Washington handles the Honduran crisis. It is all the more reason to act carefully and wisely.

Is it any wonder Hugo Chavez supports Zeyala?

616 turn  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:21:36pm

re: #604 redstateredneck

How I spent my 4th of July.Go to picture gallery - I’m on the boat in the 9th pic. 2nd year 1st place winner in the Patriotic category.

Hey red, I noticed that cute little Lhasa peeking overboard in that pic. We’ve got two of them and one looks just like that little guy. Too cute.

617 strangelove  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:41:39pm

re: #609 MacDuff

Man, I have to tell you that you sound like a perfect candidate for a radical fringe movement recruiter. Really, listen to yourself.

So what part of “non-violent” and “LEGITIMATE” (as written in the post that scares you so much) is radcial fringe”? By definition,non-violent action is the opposite of radical or fringe. You no doubt would have put Patrick Henry in irons—-the very man who made what we’re doing here possible.

I feel for you. Another pathetic, soft American consumer fades into oblivion, as the left just slowly numbs you to death. Have a nice time. However, I choose not to particpate.

618 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:43:06pm

re: #505 Walter L. Newton

Walter? Smiling?

HE’S SCARING ME!

619 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:50:41pm

re: #617 strangelove

Could you please be specific:

re: #576 strangelove

“And if it involves incitement in LEGITIMATE ways, that’s ok.”

Incitement to what?

Who do you wish to incite & to do what things? Again, please be specific.

620 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:52:54pm

re: #619 Kenneth

The word “incite” is kinda hot.

In America, every two years, every four years, and every six years the people have a chance to “overthrow” the government.

621 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 1:53:26pm

re: #618 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Walter? Smiling?

HE’S SCARING ME!

I guess I’m going to have to chase Walter with this one.

622 Grand Poobah  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 2:30:49pm

Whether or not Ron Paul fans are in the audience, Cornyn should have known better. If only for the sake of his integri—oh I’m sorry he’s a politician.

623 MacDuff  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 3:15:44pm

re: #617 strangelove

Look, I just think that a number of your posts on this topic have been a bit over the top. No, you haven’t advocated violence, but several times you made clear allusions. I said the “you sound” like a candidate for the radical fringe and your overheated rhetoric, using words like “incitement”, doesn’t make you sound any less so.

As far as me putting “Patrick Henry in irons”; his was a call to arms in a very different situation than the one in which we now find ourselves - your analogy is preposterous.

Lastly, your characterization of me as a “pathetic, soft American consumer” is as insulting as it is untrue. Where the FUCK do you get off calling me, or anyone else, names like that? You know nothing of me, or my background and I certainly don’t need any lectures on Americanism from the likes of you. Do you think you have some sort of patent on patriotism around here?

In closing, take your hyperbole and shove it up your ass.

624 dapperdave  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 3:31:29pm

Straaaaaangelove, I find the things that you love very straaaaaaaaaange indeed!

625 rufusalice  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 4:08:21pm

I have no doubt that there were plenty of Ron Paulians at the DC event, but I was there and all those supporters pushing his stuff amounted to two tables with books and brochures and a few people handing out fliers. I only saw one guy with a “9/11 was an inside job” t-shirt and maybe half a dozen people with signs about Obama’s birth certificate. There were many independent types, plenty of anti-Congress signs, a one woman pro-smoking crusade, and one t-shirt complaining about “Republicrats.” Clearly there was a smattering of nuts, but most of these people did not strike me to be nutty. They mostly wanted to complain about the size of government, Congress’s failure to read bills, taxes, spending, and debt. That’s not exactly earth shaking craziness.

626 Florida Lady  Mon, Jul 6, 2009 6:44:10pm

After Cornyn’s support of Specter for the 2010 GOP PA Senate primary race (before Specter jumped ship for the Dems) and for Crist in Florida (when there is a viable GOP alternative), I might boo him too.

627 fsjonesy  Tue, Jul 7, 2009 11:33:24pm

Paulians ruin everything.


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