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And over all the sky — the sky! far, far out of reach,
studded, breaking out, the eternal stars.

Walt Whitman, Bivouac on a Mountain Side

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1 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:11:56pm

Say something!
And it says, "I burn".

2 Racer X  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:13:16pm

I hate to steal Ojoe's Mojo, but the Towercam is looking awesome right now!

[repost]

3 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:13:30pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Say something!

"Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
-Ozymandias

4 freetoken  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:13:39pm
And over all the sky — the sky! far, far out of reach,
studded, breaking out, the eternal stars.

The star studded sky.

5 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:14:39pm

Did someone say star-studded?

Here's a recap of the past night's 60 stars:

100 - Green Day, Basket Case
99 - DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, Parents Just Don't Understand
98 - REM, Everybody Hurts
97 - Human League, Don't You Want Me
96 - The Replacements, Bastards of Young
95 - George Michael, Faith
94 - Wyclef Jean, Gone 'Til November
93 - U2, Sunday Bloody Sunday
92 - LL Cool J, Going Back to Cali
91 - Prince and the Revolution, 1999
90 - Lenny Kravitz, Are You Gonna Go My Way
89 - They Might Be Giants, Don't Let's Start
88 - Janet Jackson, Love Will Never Do (Without You)
87 - The Prodigy, Firestarter
86 - Billy Idol, Cradle of Love
85 - Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Don't Come Around Here No More
84 - Method Man & Mary J. Blige, 84-I'll Be There For You / You're All I Need To Get By
83 - Godley & Creme, Cry
82 - Def Leppard, Pour Some Sugar on Me
81 - Twisted Sister, We're Not Gonna Take It
80 - The Cure, Close to Me
79 - Fiona Apple, Criminal
78 - Adam Ant, Goody Two Shoes
77 - Radiohead, Fake Plastic Trees
76 - Devo, Whip It
75 - Public Enemy, Fight the Power
74 - C+C Music Factory, Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now)
73 - Band Aid, Do They Know It's Christmas
72 - The Chemical Brothers, Setting Sun
71 - M. C. Hammer, U Can't Touch This
70 - New Order, True Faith
69 - Smashing Pumpkins, 1979
68 - Duran Duran, Girls on Film
67 - Don Henley, Boys of Summer
66 - The Beastie Boys, Fight For Your Right
65 - Garbage, Stupid Girl
64 - Beck, Loser
63 - Tone-Loc, Wild Thing
62 - U2, Where The Streets Have No Name
61 - Van Halen, Right Now
60 - 'til tuesday, Voices Carry
59 - En Vogue, My Lovin' (You're Never Gonna Get It)
58 - David Bowie, Ashes To Ashes
57 - Björk, It's Oh So Quiet
56 - Metallica, Enter Sandman
55 - David Lee Roth, Just A Gigolo/I Ain't Got Nobody
54 - Marilyn Manson, The Beautiful People
53 - Madness, Our House
52 - Lauryn Hill, Everything Is Everything
51 - Golden Earring, Twilight Zone
50 - Madonna, Lucky Star
49 - Paula Abdul, Straight Up
48 - Aerosmith, Janie's Got A Gun
47 - Talking Heads, Once In A Lifetime
46 - Fatboy Slim, Praise You
45 - Guns N' Roses, November Rain
44 - Janet Jackson, Rhythm Nation
43 - ZZ Top, Gimme All Your Lovin'
42 - Alanis Morisette, Ironic
41 - Bon Jovi, Wanted Dead or Alive

...and now, onto the next segment of the top 40 videos of the 20th century!

6 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:14:40pm

re: #2 Racer X

Nice.

7 jcm  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:14:43pm

re: #4 freetoken

The star studded sky.

Haven't you learned yet?

Globular Clusters!

//

Nice!

8 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:15:27pm

re: #4 freetoken

The star studded sky.

This one is just stunning.

9 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:15:57pm

Tonight begins at #40, with Waterfalls, by TLC:

10 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:17:02pm

re: #9 gmsc

Tonight begins at #40, with Waterfalls, by TLC:


[Video]

A very good vid, which actually tries to make a point. Good pick.

11 Racer X  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:17:12pm

Goodnight everyone!

12 Macker  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:17:55pm

I got my work cut out for me tomorrow on my day off...

/crack that whip

13 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:19:23pm

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

A very good vid, which actually tries to make a point. Good pick.

Thanks.

And that roll of good taste ends after exactly 1 video. Because #39, unembeddable, is Cyndi Lauper's Girls Just Want To Have Fun.

14 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:19:31pm

woohoo, overnight...

15 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:19:55pm

re: #12 Macker

I got my work cut out for me tomorrow on my day off...

/crack that whip

We already did that. It was #76.
;)

16 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:20:59pm

re: #9 gmsc

isn't that the video that bankrupted them?

17 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:22:30pm

At #38, Metallica returns to the list with One:

(You might want to turn off the annotations on this one.)

18 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:23:52pm

re: #16 mrshankly01

isn't that the video that bankrupted them?

As I understand it, it was not getting their fair share of the royalties from CrazySexyCool that was bankrupting them. It was around the time of that video, though.

19 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:25:16pm

re: #18 gmsc

unfortunate.

20 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:25:34pm

MSNBC notices crazy man on the rise...
Ron Paul’s bipartisan attack on the Fed

He has rallied the majority of the House to support his new cause: an audit of the Federal Reserve. Legislators are sick of not knowing what's going on inside Bernanke's fortress, especially as the Fed becomes further enmeshed in the nation's fiscal policy. Paul's little bill has become emblematic of a larger movement, one that could spell trouble for Obama's troubled regulatory plan. Ron Paul — always an enemy of regulation — is now an enemy of Obama. And a mighty powerful one at that.

Paul wants to audit the Fed primarily because he wants to destroy it; the audit bill is just the latest chapter in Paul's lifelong crusade against it. His vendetta is fueled by the belief that the Federal Reserve is unconstitutional, a central bank within a country that doesn't allow central banks. That the Fed can manipulate the currency and "create legal tender out of thin air" is heresy. And so Paul attempts to dismantle it the only way he can: through legislation.

21 Tamron  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:25:58pm

MICHELLE OBAMA'S CREW OF HELPERS

Michele Obama does not get paid to serve as the First Lady and she doesn’t perform any official duties. But this hasn’t deterred her from hiring an unprecedented number of highly-paid staffers to cater to her every whim and to satisfy her every request, in the midst of this recession. The benefit package for these servants is the same as members of the national security and defense departments, and the bill (as well as for Michelle's own private 757 passenger jet and fleet of assorted limousines and other support logistics) comes right out of the taxpayer's pocket. Queen Michelle doesn't get paid a salary, but the side-benefits certainly give her a royal lifestyle during these hard times. No expense is spared.

Staffers available at her command:

1. $172,2000 - Sher, Susan (CHIEF OF STAFF)
2. $140,000 - Frye, Jocelyn C. (DEPUTY ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND PROJECTS FOR THE FIRST LADY)
3. $113,000 - Rogers, Desiree G. (SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND WHITE HOUSE SOCIAL SECRETARY)
4. $102,000 - Johnston, Camille Y. (SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE FIRST LADY)
5. Winter, Melissa E. (SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE FIRST LADY)
6. $90,000 - Medina, David S. (DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE FIRST LADY)
7. $84,000 - Lelyveld, Catherine M. (DIRECTOR AND PRESS SECRETARY TO THE FIRST LADY)
8. $75,000 - Starkey, Frances M. (DIRECTOR OF SCHEDULING AND ADVANCE FOR THE FIRST LADY)
9. $70,000 - Sanders, Trooper (DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND PROJECTS FOR THE FIRST LADY)
10. $65,000 - Burnough, Erinn J. (DEPUTY DIRECTOR AND DEPUTY SOCIAL SECRETARY)
11. Reinstein, Joseph B. (DEPUTY DIRECTOR AND DEPUTY SOCIAL SECRETARY)
12. $62,000 - Goodman, Jennifer R. (DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF SCHEDULING AND EVENTS COORDINATOR FOR THE FIRST LADY)
13. $60,000 - Fitts, Alan O. (DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF ADVANCE AND TRIP DIRECTOR FOR THE FIRST LADY)
14. Lewis, Dana M. (SPECIAL ASSISTANT AND PERSONAL AIDE TO THE FIRST LADY)
15. $52,500 - Mustaphi, Semonti M. (ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR AND DEPUTY PRESS SECRETARY TO THE FIRST LADY)
16. $50,000 - Jarvis, Kristen E. (SPECIAL ASSISTANT FOR SCHEDULING AND TRAVELING AIDE TO THE FIRST LADY)
17. $45,000 - Lechtenberg, Tyler A. (ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF CORRESPONDENCE FOR THE FIRST LADY)
18. Tubman, Samantha (DEPUTY ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR,SOCIAL OFFICE)
19. $40,000 - Boswell, Joseph J. (EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE FIRST LADY)
20. $36,000 - Armbruster, Sally M. (STAFF ASSISTANT TO THE SOCIAL SECRETARY)
21. Bookey, Natalie (STAFF ASSISTANT)
22. Jackson, Deilia A. (DEPUTY ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF CORRESPONDENCE FOR THE FIRST LADY)

22 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:26:57pm

re: #21 Tamron

wow.

23 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:27:15pm

re: #21 Tamron


I bet the jet and limousine have all sorts of high-tech security countermeasures, which aren't exactly cheap.

24 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:27:22pm

#37 is one of those rare videos where you walk away from it with the music stuck in your head, instead of the lyrics themselves.

It's Bittersweet Symphony, by Verve:

25 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:27:32pm

re: #21 Tamron

is there any information on other first ladies expenses

26 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:27:57pm

Barack
Won't you buy me
A Mercedes Benz?
The rich all drive Porches
The poor get GMs
It's hard doing nothing
I thought libs were my friends
Barack
Won't you buy me
A Mercedes Benz?

Barack
Won't you buy me
A big screen tv?
This thirty-two incher
Ain't workin' for me...

(I'm now stuck. H/T to someone on HotAir who gave me the idea.)

buzz? R/B? Anybody care to add?

27 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:28:48pm

re: #26 capitalist piglet

Barack
Won't you buy me
A Mercedes Benz?
The rich all drive Porches
The poor get GMs
It's hard doing nothing
I thought libs were my friends
Barack
Won't you buy me
A Mercedes Benz?

Barack
Won't you buy me
A big screen tv?
This thirty-two incher
Ain't workin' for me...

(I'm now stuck. H/T to someone on HotAir who gave me the idea.)

buzz? R/B? Anybody care to add?

Updinged and favorited!

28 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:28:59pm

re: #21 Tamron

Check with previous administrations. Nothing new. Why weren't you complaining about Laura Bush?

29 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:29:09pm

re: #21 Tamron

Wow. Is that normal?

30 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:29:19pm

re: #25 mrshankly01

Yes, google.

31 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:29:32pm

re: #27 gmsc

Updinged and favorited!

Feel free to help me! You'd be good at it, I think!

32 jvic  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:31:34pm

J.R.R. Tokien, The Return of the King:

'Now you go to sleep first, Mr. Frodo,' he said. 'It's getting dark again. I reckon this day is nearly over.'

Frodo sighed and was asleep almost before the words were spoken. Sam struggled with his own weariness, and he took Frodo's hand; and there he sat silent till deep night fell. Then at last, to keep himself awake, he crawled from the hiding-place and looked out. The land seemed full of creaking and cracking and sly noises, but there was no sound of voice or of foot. Far above the Ephel Dúath in the West the night-sky was still dim and pale. There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach. His song in the Tower had been defiance rather than hope; for then he was thinking of himself. Now, for a moment, his own fate, and even his masters, ceased to trouble him. He crawled back into the brambles and laid himself by Frodo's side, and putting away all fear he cast himself into a deep untroubled sleep.

Good night.

33 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:31:51pm

Time for #36!

Ladies and gentlemen, give it away for the Red Hot Chili Peppers' Give It Away!

34 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:32:30pm

re: #31 capitalist piglet

Feel free to help me! You'd be good at it, I think!

I'm afraid to. I'd get on a role, and couldn't stop.
;)

35 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:32:33pm

re: #24 gmsc

#37 is one of those rare videos where you walk away from it with the music stuck in your head, instead of the lyrics themselves.

It's Bittersweet Symphony, by Verve:

[Video]

A longtime favorite of mine. Sad that they broke up soon after this song.

37 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:34:47pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

thanks.

38 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:34:47pm

re: #32 jvic

Always beautiful.

39 Tamron  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:35:16pm

re: #25 mrshankly01

is there any information on other first ladies expenses


Mrs. Eisenhower had to pay the salary of her one personal secretary out of her own pocket, and Abe Lincoln's wife caught criticism for purchasing a set of china dishes for White House functions.
.

40 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:35:17pm

Armadillo-like Crocodile Fossil Found in Brazil

It was 6.6 feet (2 meters) long, weighed about 265 pounds (120 kilograms), and had a relatively wide head with a narrow, toothy snout.

Body armor has never been "found in any other fossil or living crocodile species," Ismar de Souza Carvalho, a paleontologist at the Federal University in Rio de Janeiro, said via email.

41 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:35:46pm

re: #26 capitalist piglet

Barack
Won't you buy me
A Mercedes Benz?
The rich all drive Porches
The poor get GMs
It's hard doing nothing
I thought libs were my friends
Barack
Won't you buy me
A Mercedes Benz?

Barack
Won't you buy me
A big screen tv?
This thirty-two incher
Ain't workin' for me...

(I'm now stuck. H/T to someone on HotAir who gave me the idea.)

buzz? R/B? Anybody care to add?

I've got it, I think...

Barack
Won't you buy me
A big screen tv?
This thirty-two incher
Ain't workin' for me...
I spent all my money
On lobster and Brie
Barack
Won't you buy me
A big screen tv?

(I have to look at the real thing now. Back in the morning, all. Good night!)

42 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:36:29pm

re: #37 mrshankly01

Looks like there have been some nominal raises since 2007 but nothing that seems outrageous to me.

43 freetoken  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:36:42pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

This one is just stunning.

Yup, one of my favorites. I've been downloading those images and use them as the images for the OSX screensaver... problem is, I can get mesmerized just sitting in front of the computer watching the galaxies go whizzing by and forget time...

44 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:36:52pm
45 Tamron  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:37:14pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Check with previous administrations. Nothing new. Why weren't you complaining about Laura Bush?

Prove that I wasn't, Killjoy...
.

46 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:37:55pm

Quick Joke:

Farrah Fawcett dies, and goes up to heaven.

When she comes face to face with God, he says, "Farrah, I'm proud of you. You've done a lot of good work, and even used your acting to give people a new respect for angels. Therefore, I'm going to grant you any wish you want. Think carefully, because you get one and only one wish."

Farrah thinks for a while, and then says, "God, I know what I'd like my wish to be."

God replies, "What is it?"

Farrah says, "I wish that you would keep all the children in the world safe."

God replies. "Farrah, that's an excellent wish, and I shall grant it immediately!" God snaps his fingers and says, "It is done!"

Confused, Farrah asks, "What exactly did you do?"

God replies, "Michael Jackson is now dead."

47 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:39:16pm

re: #39 Tamron

okay. thanks.

i don't think they were as public a figure as modern first ladies are.

48 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:39:36pm

re: #41 capitalist piglet

I've got it, I think...

Barack
Won't you buy me
A big screen tv?
This thirty-two incher
Ain't workin' for me...
I spent all my money
On lobster and Brie
Barack
Won't you buy me
A big screen tv?

(I have to look at the real thing now. Back in the morning, all. Good night!)

Barack
Won't you buy me
A night on the town?
Rich people have money
Won't you shake 'em down?
Raised ghost voters for you,
so you'd wear the crown.
Barack
Won't you buy me
A night on the town?

49 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:39:38pm

re: #4 freetoken

The star studded sky.

Check out this nightime panorama of Racetrack Playa in Death Valley, home of the moving rocks. It's part of an ongoing project to measure sky clarity and light pollution at several National Parks over a period of time. This is a 180 degree composite image.

50 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:41:03pm

My joke at #46 also works as a segue into video #35 - Billie Jean by Michael Jackson.

51 freetoken  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:42:20pm

re: #49 SixDegrees

Neat to see the Milky Way laid out like that.

52 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:43:24pm

re: #50 gmsc

My joke at #46 also works as a segue into video #35 - Billie Jean by Michael Jackson.


[Video]

Whatever you think of Michael Jackson, no top 100 list would be complete without him. He turned out a number of truly great videos and Billie Jean was definitely one of them.

53 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:44:03pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

Whatever you think of Michael Jackson, no top 100 list would be complete without him. He turned out a number of truly great videos and Billie Jean was definitely one of them.

True - and he will definitely be back on this list.

54 ThingFish  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:45:20pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

Whatever you think of Michael Jackson, no top 100 list would be complete without him. He turned out a number of truly great videos and Billie Jean was definitely one of them.

True, I always try to separate the artist from their music, because there are some real wackjobs that make great music.

55 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:46:59pm

re: #54 ThingFish

True, I always try to separate the artist from their music, because there are some real wackjobs that make great music.

As a matter of fact, as we get higher up into the video list, we'll see more and more artists with controversial actions and personal lives.

Such, as Sinead O'Connor, who comes into the list at #34, with Nothing Compares 2 U:

56 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:47:55pm

re: #55 gmsc

i loved that song. i didn't care for the singer much, but a great song.

57 redc1c4  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:48:18pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Looks like there have been some nominal raises since 2007 but nothing that seems outrageous to me.

i just scanned, but there seems to be a whole bunch of new positions that involve the "first lady"...

(stretching those terms to the limit)

58 ThingFish  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:48:19pm

re: #55 gmsc

Which was written by Prince, whose had his share of controversy.

59 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:50:15pm

At #61, we had Van Halen with Sammy Hagar doing Right Now. At #55, we had David Lee Roth alone with Just A Gigolo/I Ain't Got Nobody.

Now, at #33, we have them together in their hit Jump:

60 redc1c4  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:50:29pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

Whatever you think of Michael Jackson, no top 100 list would be complete without him. He turned out a number of truly great videos and Billie Jean was definitely one of them.


i hated that song from the first time i heard it...

saccharine pop, with no redeeming value.

/imho, of course.

61 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:50:46pm

re: #56 mrshankly01

i loved that song. i didn't care for the singer much, but a great song.

Yeah, there'll be more than a few songs like that as we get higher up on the list.

62 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:53:19pm

re: #55 gmsc

As a matter of fact, as we get higher up into the video list, we'll see more and more artists with controversial actions and personal lives.

2 words- Kurt Cobain.

63 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:53:20pm

Our last 2 videos for the evening will throw a bit of a curveball into the mix.

#32 is Nuthin' But A 'G' Thang, by yet more controversial artists Dr. Dre and Snoop Doggy Dogg. (Language warning)

64 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:55:04pm

re: #62 Sharmuta

2 words- Kurt Cobain.

Yep, and wait until you see where Nirvana comes in!

65 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:55:21pm

re: #64 gmsc

should be top five

66 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:55:57pm

re: #65 mrshankly01

should be top five

#2

67 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:56:21pm

The only Micheal Jackson song I've been able to think of off the top of my head these past 2 weeks is Alien Ant Farm's cover of Smooth Criminal.

/Wonder if they're getting any bump up in traffic this month.

68 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:56:54pm

re: #66 Sharmuta

#2

Who would you put in at number 1, Sharm?

69 gmsc  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:57:38pm

#31 can still probably be sung by everybody here, and even many of those who were born long after it was written.

It's The Eurythmics, with Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)!

70 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:57:50pm

re: #67 Fenway_Nation

Embedding disabled, but that's one cover worth the double click.

71 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:58:50pm

re: #69 gmsc

#31 can still probably be sung by everybody here, and even many of those who were born long after it was written.

It's The Eurythmics, with Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)!


[Video]

Very much a product of its time, but a classic if only through sheer repetition.

72 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:59:03pm

re: #70 Sharmuta

It is? Damn it...just when I thought I knew what the hell I was doing.

Alien Ant Farm- Smooth Criminal cover.

73 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:59:22pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

Who would you put in at number 1, Sharm?

Some song by The Beatles. Hard to pick one.

74 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:00:00am

Today in History, July 9th:
Click here for History Channel's July 9th video.

Highlights of this day in history: William Jenning Bryan gives his famous "cross of gold" speech at the Democratic National Convention. The Grateful Dead give their last live concert before Jerry Garcia dies. Mike Tyson banned from boxing. The first Wimbledon tennis tournament begins.

Other notable July 9th events include:

1900 – Queen Victoria gives royal assent to an Act creating the Commonwealth of Australia thus uniting separate colonies on the continent under one federal government.

1922 – Johnny Weissmuller swims the 100 meters freestyle in 58.6 seconds breaking the world swimming record and the 'minute barrier'.

1989 – Two bombs explode in Mecca, killing one pilgrim and wounding 16 others.

1991 – South Africa is readmitted into the Olympic movement after 30 years of exclusion.

1999 – Days of student protests begin after Iranian police and hardliners attack a student dormitory at the University of Tehran.

75 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:00:50am

I would totally have Nirvana in the top 5 or 10, though.

76 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:01:12am

re: #74 gmsc

Mike Tyson banned from boxing.

I remember that. It was pretty ear-ie.

77 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:01:26am

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Very much a product of its time, but a classic if only through sheer repetition.

Excellently put.

78 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:02:30am

re: #75 Sharmuta

me too. smells like teen spirit changed music for the 90s.

79 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:03:54am

Freebird!
(lighter lit, held high)

80 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:04:00am

re: #66 Sharmuta

#2

Nirvana is definitely #2 material...

unfortunately, you can't put their records & CDs in the garden and get better plants.

81 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:04:14am

re: #78 mrshankly01

He was a poet. Like a reincarnated Poe with a guitar and a love for punk.

82 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:04:29am

re: #73 Sharmuta

Some song by The Beatles. Hard to pick one.

They had some songs that they made vids for. I can see putting them on top, being that they were the greatest rock band of all time.

83 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:04:49am

re: #62 Sharmuta

2 words- Kurt Cobain.

2 more: was murdered...

/RUMINT

84 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:05:47am

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

They had some songs that they made vids for. I can see putting them on top, being that they were the greatest rock band of all time.

And STILL selling albums in the millions every year.

85 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:05:53am

With The Eurythmics, I've now posted 70 videos total!

Tomorrow, we begin counting down the top 30 videos, most of which are sure to bring back the memories of anyone who was a child of the 80s and/or 90s.

Tomorrow will also include 3 of my all-time personal favorites, including one video that features the world's coolest . . . floor?

86 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:06:22am

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

They had some songs that they made vids for. I can see putting them on top, being that they were the greatest rock band of all time.

not even...

at best third, behind the Who or the Stones, just to begin the discussion.

87 zombie  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:06:43am

re: #73 Sharmuta

Some song by The Beatles. Hard to pick one.

They hardly made any "videos", though.

There was the "I Am the Walrus" video from the Magical Mystery Tour TV special.
Various songs from "Help!" could be considered standalone videos.

But aside from that, they mostly predated the video era.

Personally, I've hardly seen any music videos ever -- aside from a few on YouTube, generally 20 years or whatever after the fact. I sorta missed the whole video thing -- never had cable, never seen one second of MTV.

My feeling always was and remains: The music should stand on its own! If it requires a video, it's lacking something.

So, having seen exactly none of the ones gmsc listed, I have no opinions on them -- and shall now proceed to shut up on the topic!

88 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:07:42am

re: #85 gmsc

Wow...it'll be like re-living my junior high years. Only without the wedgies, getting tossed into lockers and other various adolescent traumas that would warp me for years to come...

/

89 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:08:22am

re: #87 zombie

My feeling always was and remains: The music should stand on its own! If it requires a video, it's lacking something.

They used to say the same things about poems when their lyrics were first being set to music.

90 zombie  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:09:12am

re: #89 gmsc

They used to say the same things about poems when their lyrics were first being set to music.

And "they" were right then, too!

91 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:10:22am

re: #89 gmsc

They used to say the same things about poems when their lyrics were first being set to music.

you just want to have your pie and eat it too...

92 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:10:47am

re: #86 redc1c4

not even...

at best third, behind the Who or the Stones, just to begin the discussion.

I'm going to avoid that discussion, as it would likely go over my head. All three of those bands were superlatively good and you could make a case for any of them.

93 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:10:59am

re: #89 gmsc

And I still say the same thing about slam poetry...

Seriously...I had the misfortune to be in the same building as a slam poetry reading once...once was enough.

94 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:11:34am

re: #91 redc1c4

you just want to have your pie and eat it too...

Close! Very close!

95 zombie  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:11:35am

re: #89 gmsc

They used to say the same things about poems when their lyrics were first being set to music.

But actually, that's inaccurate, because a "lyric poem" was always intended to be read along with music, even back when they were invented in ancient Greece 2,600 years ago. After all, the very word "lyric" derives from the "lyre" -- the Greek harp.

96 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:13:38am

re: #78 mrshankly01

re: #75 Sharmuta

me too. smells like teen spirit changed music for the 90s.

Just like the Hindenberg changed air travel in the 1930s

Just like the Titanic changed ocean travel in the 1910s

Just like the Edsel changed automobile travel in the 1950s

///

97 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:14:40am

re: #96 Fenway_Nation

no, that honor goes to Hanson...mmm-bob

98 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:15:13am

Hey GMSC, this HAS GOTTA MAKE IT!.

99 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:15:29am

re: #94 gmsc

Close! Very close!

i was rounding... which is what happens with pi/e

100 zombie  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:15:48am

Lyric poetry

Lyric poetry for the ancient Greeks had a precise and technical meaning: verse that was accompanied by the lyre. The lyric poet was classified as distinct from the writer of plays (which were spoken rather than sung), the writer of trochaic and iambic verses (which were recited), from the writer of elegies (which were accompanied by the flute, rather than the lyre) and the writer of epics.

I wasted too much time in college studying this stuff!

101 freetoken  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:17:22am

re: #96 Fenway_Nation

You forgot:

"Just like the Segway changed walking in the 2000s"

/

102 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:18:58am

my vote for #1 video, not based upon popularity, but on accuracy: Radio, Radio...

it still rings true today, and encapsulates the whole 'popularity' scam of the 70's-current music business...

/people like it, so it must be good!

103 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:20:28am

re: #87 zombie

They made 'Rain' and 'Paperback Writer' specifically so they didn't have to travel to New York to play Sullivan.

104 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:21:17am

re: #102 redc1c4

my vote for #1 video, not based upon popularity, but on accuracy: Radio, Radio...

it still rings true today, and encapsulates the whole 'popularity' scam of the 70's-current music business...

/people like it, so it must be good!

Elvis Costello, always a good choice. And very true, you're right about that.

105 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:21:32am

Paperback Writer

106 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:22:28am

Paperback Writer has always been a favorite of mine. A little rock, a little pop- it's just a fun song.

107 zombie  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:24:11am

re: #103 Sharmuta

They made 'Rain' and 'Paperback Writer' specifically so they didn't have to travel to New York to play Sullivan.


[Video]

Ah, interesting.

108 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:25:49am

21st Century Brit Pop... The Pipettes!

109 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:26:14am

Penny Lane

110 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:26:27am

Hey everyone, have a great night. Enjoy fruit cup.

111 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:27:24am

G'Night, Mr. Shankly!

112 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:27:26am

re: #97 mrshankly01

Peter: Hey, hey, you guys, here's one for you. Let's say none of us were married, all right? If you could have any woman in the world, who would it be?
Joe: Mariel Hemingway.
Peter: Oh, come on. Really?
Cleveland: Oh, now that's not a very good choice.
Quagmire: She's so jagged.
Joe: No, no. I think she's very attractive in a classical kind of way.
Quagmire: Yeah, but you could cut a roast on her face.
Cleveland: I would go with Margaret Thatcher.
Peter, Joe, Quagmire: Margaret Thatcher?
Peter: Why the hell Margaret Thatcher?
Cleveland: Oh, so nobody here thinks power is sexy? Not one of you finds power sexy?
Joe: How about you, Peter?
Peter: Oh, like you got to ask. The chick with three knockers from Total Recall.
Joe: Interesting.
Cleveland: I never saw that movie.
Quagmire: You know one of 'em was papier-mâché, right?
Peter: Oh, gee, can I change my ans- of course I know it's paper! I don't care! W-what's wrong with you? Hey, what about you, Quagmire?
Quagmire: Taylor Hanson.
Joe: Taylor Hanson's a guy.
Quagmire: [laughs] Oh! Oh! Y-you guys are yanking me. Hey, hey, let's put one over on old Quagmire.
Peter: No, he's actually a guy, Quagmire.
Quagmire: W-well, this is insane! That's impossible! Oh, my God. Oh, my God! Oh, my God, I can't... Oh, God! I-oh, I got all these magazines. Oh G-oh God! Oh, God!


Whatever happened to those two? Didn't one of them get whacked by Lance Bass in the notorious East Coast/West Coast Boy Band wars?

113 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:27:38am

Strawberry Fields Forever

This might be my #1. Iconic song, iconic video.

114 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:30:26am

I'm tired, so I'm going to sign off. Goodnight, play nice.

115 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:31:04am

Something

116 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:31:21am

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

G'nite, Dark Falcon!

117 That's Mr. President to you  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:31:33am

Thought I'd pop in and see if anyone is up for a little Urdu poetry.

Here is one of my favorites:

baat karanii mujhe mushkil kabhii aisii to na thii
jaisii ab hai terii mahafil kabhii aisii to na thii

le gayaa chhiin ke kaun aaj teraa sabr-o-qarar
beqaraarii tujhe ai dil kabhii aisii to na thii

chashm-e-qaatil merii dushman thii hameshaa lekin
jaise ab ho ga_ii qaatil kabhii aisii to na thii

un kii aa.Nkho.n ne Khudaa jaane kiyaa kyaa jaaduu
ke tabiiyat merii maa_il kabhii aisii to na thii

aks-e-ruKh-e-yaar ne kis se hai tujhe chamakaayaa
taab tujh me.n maah-e-kaamil kabhii aisii to na thii

kyaa sabab tuu jo biga.Dataa hai "Zafar" se har baar
Khuu terii huur-e-shamaa_il kabhii aisii to na thii

In case you aren't versed in Urdu, the poem is about a guy who can't get enough of himself, avoids doing his job so he can admire himself and when he does work he just does the fun stuff. He then lets the world around him collapse into despair. But his self love is so intense that the suffering of his friends and family doesn't bother him much.

I have always liked that poem. Not sure why. Just do.

118 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:32:12am

re: #113 Sharmuta

Strawberry Fields Forever


[Video]

This might be my #1. Iconic song, iconic video.

Scarborough Fair

119 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:32:29am

re: #117 That's Mr. President to you

Thanks but no thanks...

/I'm more into Pushkin.

120 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:33:44am

re: #111 gmsc

night gmsc

121 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:34:11am

re: #118 gmsc

Scarborough Fair


[Video]

OK, for real this time - from the movie the Graduate:

122 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:34:22am

re: #118 gmsc

Ha!

123 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:34:45am

re: #112 Fenway_Nation

hahaha.

124 freetoken  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:34:53am

Well, I'm thinking its time to do the Software Update to 10.5.7 (and associated software, like the just recently released Safari 4.0.2)... Hopefully this iMac will survive... will do the verify-permissions jig first, hopefully that will prevent file system crashes.

/If I don't return, now you know it wasn't the black helicopters.

125 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:34:58am

re: #120 mrshankly01

night gmsc

Oh, I thought you were going to bed.

126 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:36:22am

re: #125 gmsc

I thought you were going to bed...

127 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:36:35am

re: #117 That's Mr. President to you
Daily Show clip

128 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:36:59am

re: #125 gmsc

i am, just shutting down

129 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:38:47am

re: #117 That's Mr. President to you

hehehehehehehe...

130 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:39:25am

re: #119 Fenway_Nation

Thanks but no thanks...

/I'm more into Pushkin.

i prefer Pulyew...

131 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:39:59am

re: #126 Fenway_Nation

I thought you were going to bed...

No, when I go to bed, I say goodnight to everyone, not just one person.

/Otherwise, I'd never get to bed!

132 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:41:14am

re: #131 gmsc

I tend to get just drift off and fade away without warning...

133 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:44:06am

here's another, IMHO, interesting group, with a really interesting and catchy sound, with what ought to have been a hit... That's Not My Name by The Ting Tings...

there was a *KILLER* version of this on line for awhile, but the record company evidently killed it... idiots.

134 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:45:12am

re: #132 Fenway_Nation

I tend to get just drift off and fade away without warning...

wait'll you get old, grasshopper.

just out of curiosity, what is/was your MOS?

135 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:46:00am

re: #134 redc1c4


11M...why walk when you can ride?

136 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:53:26am

re: #135 Fenway_Nation

11M...why walk when you can ride?

"maintenance is for people who hate walking"

"Death Before Dismount!"

11H, long, long ago... (Harmony Church, not Sand Hill)

137 teleskiguy  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:55:33am

A personal anecdote:
My freshman year in college, a friend and I decided to climb a 14er (a 14,000 foot peak in Colorado) at about 8 o'clock at night. We left immediately. The moon was full, so after the initial 4X4 road and hike up to timberline, we had plenty of light. We persevered, and we were smoking an inordinate amount of pot. We made the summit of Uncompahgre Peak (14,309 feet above sea level) just after midnight. After careful consideration and a little more pot smoke, we decided to bivouac on top of the mountain and hike down in the morning. True story.

Truth be told, that night brought some of the most beautiful mountain scenery I have ever seen, and I was born and raised in the mountains of Colorado.

138 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:56:36am

Another notable death: Oscar Mayer

139 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:59:19am

re: #136 redc1c4

Ah...I think they were doing away with that MOS shortly after I signed up.

140 Gus  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:59:30am

re: #138 gmsc

Another notable death: Oscar Mayer

Hey GMSC.

You ever watch "Are You Being Served?" The actress that played Betty Slocombe (the older saleswoman) Mollie Sugden passed away on July 2nd.

141 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:02:37am

re: #137 teleskiguy

i want to get what's left of my po' body back in shape and get a multi-day permit for Mt Whitney for myself and several friends.

day one, drive up to trailhead, camp out, relax
day two, walk up to first lake, camp out, relax
day three, walk up to second lake, just below the switchbacks and relax.
day four, corresponding to the height of the Pleiades's meteor shower, hump up to the top of the ridge to the summit, and watch the show.
day five, let gravity do the w*rk, once we're off the ridge.
day six, drive back to Lost Angels

142 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:02:43am

re: #140 Gus 802

Hey GMSC.

You ever watch "Are You Being Served?" The actress that played Betty Slocombe (the older saleswoman) Mollie Sugden passed away on July 2nd.

Yep. My mom and I were talking about that just yesterday. We were both big fans.

It was only 2 years ago that John Inman (Mr. Humphries) died.

143 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:03:48am

re: #139 Fenway_Nation

Ah...I think they were doing away with that MOS shortly after I signed up.

they change them like staff officers change Power Point styles...

it's all bullshit.

144 Gus  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:04:00am

re: #142 gmsc

Yep. My mom and I were talking about that just yesterday. We were both big fans.

It was only 2 years ago that John Inman (Mr. Humphries) died.

Good old "Mr. Humphries." Used to really like that show.

Wendy Richard passed away in February at 64.

145 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:04:58am

re: #144 Gus 802

Good old "Mr. Humphries." Used to really like that show.

Wendy Richard passed away in February at 64.

National Health strikes again?

146 Gus  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:05:42am

re: #145 redc1c4

National Health strikes again?

Maybe. Third bout of breast cancer.

147 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:05:55am

re: #145 redc1c4

Wasn't she old when that show first aired 30 years ago?

/Not up on my low-brow Britcoms. Where's Throbert?

148 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:07:15am

re: #144 Gus 802

Good old "Mr. Humphries." Used to really like that show.

Wendy Richard passed away in February at 64.

Do you realize that Are You Being Served? started it's run 2 years before M*A*S*H went on TV, and was still making new episodes when M*A*S*H ended?

149 Gus  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:08:53am

re: #148 gmsc

Do you realize that Are You Being Served? started it's run 2 years before M*A*S*H went on TV, and was still making new episodes when M*A*S*H ended?

That's a long run. Wiki says 13 years.

150 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:13:25am

re: #139 Fenway_Nation

Ah...I think they were doing away with that MOS shortly after I signed up.

that also might have had to do with the fact that the M901 ITV and the earlier M220 TV were being replaced by the Bradley... (unless you were Guard: that took a few more years) here in CA, we got Bradley's in the 01-03 time frame, IIRC. prior to that it was 113's chasing M1's...


/after we finally got M-1's, of course. %-)

151 Gus  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:16:09am

Some Beatles trivia regarding Wendy Richard.

Wendy Richard had a role as "Lady MacBeth" in "Help." Those scenes were deleted.

152 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:18:13am

re: #151 Gus 802

Some Beatles trivia regarding Wendy Richard.

Wendy Richard had a role as "Lady MacBeth" in "Help." Those scenes were deleted.

The Beatles? Some sort of Paul McCartney pre-Wings backup group or something?

153 Gus  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:19:08am

re: #152 gmsc

The Beatles? Some sort of Paul McCartney pre-Wings backup group or something?

Yeah, I think so. Didn't that guy sing something about ebony and ivory?

/

154 teleskiguy  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:20:44am

re: #141 redc1c4

I hope you can make this happen. Mountaineering is a beautiful hardcore sport. I wish you the best of luck my friend, get up there to watch some meteors!

You need a PERMIT to climb Mt. Whitney? The story I told about Uncompahgre Peak (#137), we just showed up. Hmm...

155 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:22:16am

re: #151 Gus 802

Some Beatles trivia regarding Wendy Richard.

Wendy Richard had a role as "Lady MacBeth" in "Help." Those scenes were deleted.

Cool! I'll be sure to pass that on to Bloodnok. He and I both love that movie.

156 Gus  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:24:19am

re: #155 Sharmuta

Cool! I'll be sure to pass that on to Bloodnok. He and I both love that movie.

Great movie. Also a great song. Haven't really seen anything like it since.

157 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:24:35am

re: #153 Gus 802

Yeah, I think so. Didn't that guy sing something about ebony and ivory?

/

I always thought that was Stevie Wonder and Frank Sinatra.

158 Gus  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:27:54am

re: #157 gmsc

I always thought that was Stevie Wonder and Frank Sinatra.

Ha! That's funny. I like that line, "what's this his name da one that looks like a broad."

Piscopo and Murphy.

159 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:28:00am

re: #154 teleskiguy

I hope you can make this happen. Mountaineering is a beautiful hardcore sport. I wish you the best of luck my friend, get up there to watch some meteors!

You need a PERMIT to climb Mt. Whitney? The story I told about Uncompahgre Peak (#137), we just showed up. Hmm...

Dude: i'm talking about walking up a trail... i ain't climbing up shit at my age, not that i was ever into it... the wildest part is traversing the ridge from where the trail crosses the spine of the Sierra Nevada to the peak, but it is/was, just rock scrambling at 12-14K feet.

/which is enough, for an old man.

160 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:28:22am

re: #150 redc1c4

Ah- I was regular Army. M1s, Bradleys and the occasional 113 were the norm.

161 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:28:45am

Studying for a midterm in July is so...wrong.

162 Gus  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:29:52am

re: #152 gmsc

The Beatles? Some sort of Paul McCartney pre-Wings backup group or something?

One of my favorites of McCartney after the Beatles.

Paul McCartney- Band on the Run

163 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:31:02am

re: #158 Gus 802

Ha! That's funny. I like that line, "what's this his name da one that looks like a broad."

Piscopo and Murphy.

That, and the one where Stevie Wonder plays "Alan", the world's worst Stevie Wonder impersontator, are 2 of the funniest things that will ever be on Saturday Night Live.

164 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:33:26am

re: #160 Fenway_Nation

Ah- I was regular Army. M1s, Bradleys and the occasional 113 were the norm.

when i joined, we had M48-s, and AD had M60's. they got M60A3's, we got A1's... they got M1's we got A3's...

the first M1 i saw was from the 2ID, an M1 IP, round about 1999/00.

they were broke dick, shipped over 'as is"... "One Army, One Fight" my ass.

165 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:33:58am

re: #161 TheMatrix31

Studying for a midterm in July is so...wrong.

so, quit studying...

/duh

166 Gus  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:34:25am

re: #163 gmsc

That, and the one where Stevie Wonder plays "Alan", the world's worst Stevie Wonder impersontator, are 2 of the funniest things that will ever be on Saturday Night Live.

Good stuff. I've see "Bubble Hill" in Englewood, NJ which is Murphy's old house. At the time I knew someone (cough) that lived across the street.

167 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:36:34am

re: #165 redc1c4

so, quit studying...

/duh

I just might. This is the most pointless class of all-time. "Theory of Persuasive Communication". Such common sense stuff here.

Look at a bit from my notes...

Message from a source, has a receiver. Receiver acts or processes it. Action sought is the objective. That’s the persuasive objective. Do you want whatever it is? It’s whats in the message that determines the action. The message refers to the content of the source generated ideas.

168 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:38:48am

Even though I posted it the other night, I think this video needs posting again, just for fun:

169 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:44:02am

re: #168 gmsc

For years, I swore up and down that the lead singer of Madness was the same guy who played Biff in the "Back To The Future" movies.

It doesn't help that Thomas Wilson also sings, too:

170 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:45:28am

re: #167 TheMatrix31

those that can, do. the rest teach.

my classes start Monday: if my shit is that lame, i'll be drunk, more than usual, for the next few months.

171 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:47:12am

re: #167 TheMatrix31

I think it's all in how you look at it, Kiddo. Pay attention, and you might learn how to baffle us all with brilliant sounding bullsh*t.

172 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:48:03am

re: #171 Sharmuta

I think it's all in how you look at it, Kiddo. Pay attention, and you might learn how to baffle us all with brilliant sounding bullsh*t.

Are you saying I should aspire to become the next Barack Hussein Obama?

173 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:48:42am

re: #170 redc1c4

those that can, do. the rest teach.

my classes start Monday: if my shit is that lame, i'll be drunk, more than usual, for the next few months.

Depends what you're taking. My other summer class is pretty cool, foreign policy of the US post-1945. Basically Cold War history.

174 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:49:12am

re: #172 TheMatrix31


Nah...you should work for a living...

175 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:49:46am

re: #169 gmsc

For years, I swore up and down that the lead singer of Madness was the same guy who played Biff in the "Back To The Future" movies.

It doesn't help that Thomas Wilson also sings, too:


[Video]

People really ask about "Back To The Future 4"? A couple of things people:

1. For those who haven't kept up, Michael J. Fox has Parkinson's disease - which tends to interfere with television and film projects.

2. Ummm . . . they pretty much wrapped up everything nice and neat in BTTF 3, what's left to delve into?

3. For those who hope for BTTF 4, here's a concept for you: Marty McFly and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls

176 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:50:28am

re: #169 gmsc

For years, I swore up and down that the lead singer of Madness was the same guy who played Biff in the "Back To The Future" movies.

It doesn't help that Thomas Wilson also sings, too:


www.youtube.com...] target="_blank">

Well, what are you lookin' at, butthead? Say hi to your Mom for me.

177 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:51:18am

re: #172 TheMatrix31

Are you saying I should aspire to become the next Barack Hussein Obama?

This is America- you can be anything.

178 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:51:38am
179 Gus  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:52:33am

re: #175 gmsc

People really ask about "Back To The Future 4"? A couple of things people:

1. For those who haven't kept up, Michael J. Fox has Parkinson's disease - which tends to interfere with television and film projects.

2. Ummm . . . they pretty much wrapped up everything nice and neat in BTTF 3, what's left to delve into?

3. For those who hope for BTTF 4, here's a concept for you: Marty McFly and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls

Remember Fox in Family Ties? That show was so popular at the time. Seems so long ago.

180 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:53:16am

If they did a BTTF4, I would slaughter something.

The BTTF trilogy are by far my favorite movies of all-time.

181 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:54:10am

re: #177 Sharmuta

This is America- you can be anything.

Only In America!


/WOOT!

182 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:54:51am

re: #180 TheMatrix31

If they did a BTTF4, I would slaughter something.

The BTTF trilogy are by far my favorite movies of all-time.

y'all need to get out more.

/imho, of course.

183 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:56:49am

for the Beatles fans: I Wanna Hold Your Hand!

184 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:58:49am

re: #180 TheMatrix31

If they did a BTTF4, I would slaughter something.

The BTTF trilogy are by far my favorite movies of all-time.

My uncle thinks the BTTF trilogy is very under-rated for sci-fi. I've been meaning to rewatch those- maybe I'll get to that soon.

185 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:59:20am

re: #180 TheMatrix31

If they did a BTTF4, I would slaughter something.

The BTTF trilogy are by far my favorite movies of all-time.

Ever see the complete and detailed Back To The Future Timeline?

186 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:59:34am

Something fruitcup this way comes.

187 freetoken  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:59:38am

...waiting...

188 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:59:54am

Wait for it...

189 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:00:00am

FRUITCUP!

190 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:00:04am

re: #184 Sharmuta

My uncle thinks the BTTF trilogy is very under-rated for sci-fi. I've been meaning to rewatch those- maybe I'll get to that soon.

Every few years, I feel the need to sit down and just spend a day watching all 3 in a row. It's fun, and always worth it.

191 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:00:07am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

192 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:00:20am

hack!

193 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:00:25am

re: #191 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Yummy! Back To The Fruitcup!

194 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:00:44am

red dood it! :-)

195 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:01:41am

gmsc! :-)

196 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:01:49am

re: #194 littleoldlady

red dood it! :-)

there's a 1:11 difference between my box and the hamsters... very strange.

197 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:03:02am

re: #185 gmsc

Ever see the complete and detailed Back To The Future Timeline?

Holy shit, awesome!

198 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:03:07am

Fenway! :-)

freetoken! :-)

Sharmuta! :-)

Matrix! :-)

/...who else is here?

199 Gus  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:03:11am

re: #191 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Morning littleoldlady.

200 freetoken  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:03:15am

re: #189 redc1c4

FRUITCUP!

Umm... I am not sure this is the type of fruit that is good for us...

201 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:03:45am

Gus! :-)

202 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:03:46am

re: #191 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

good morning :)

203 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:03:57am

Hi LOL...thanks for the untainted fruitcup! I think I'll have it with my raw Nestle tollhouse cookie dough.

204 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:04:21am

re: #200 freetoken

Myrtle?

/oy

205 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:04:25am

re: #195 littleoldlady

gmsc! :-)

I love it! Thanks!

I also like when Marty and "The Pinheads" start playing this for their audition for the school dance, and the head judge, played by Huey Lewis, tells them they're just too darn loud.

206 Ledger1  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:04:50am

Iowahawk is on a roll.

[Iowahawk skewers MJ - and MJ’s home state]:

LOS ANGELES - Millions of fans from around the globe gathered along Sunset Boulevardto pay final respects to California today, as a slow moving funeral procession transported the eccentric superstar state's remains to its final resting place in a Winchell's Donuts dumpster in Van Nuys… The 640-mile long funeral parade route was lined with flowers, candles, teddy bears, and IOUs from millions of mourners and debtors who made the somber journey to watch the passing of the state that had once ruled the box office and industrial charts.

For a time it seemed as if the superstar could do no wrong, but behind the glittering facade of Disneyland Manor troubling signs of mental instability began to emerge. The state developed a well publicized drug problem during filming of 1967's 'Summer of Love,' and briefly dabbled in strange religious cults. Under the influence of spiritual guru Jerry Brown, it began wholesale experimentation in exotic spending programs, eventual resulting in a traumatic 1979 stay at the Prop 13 Rehab Center... 80's and 90's California enjoyed a brief career renaissance with hits like 'Olympics,' 'Real Estate' and 'Dot Com Boom,' but personal problems plagued the reclusive star once again. During the recording of the 'OJ' and 'Rodney King' albums, friends and visitors expressed concern over its recurring tremors and penchant for self-mutilationanalysts say the state died penniless, owing creditors as much as $100 billion. Amid the swirling recriminations between California camp factions, fans chose to mark its passing quietly... Iowa said that despite being the constant butt of the Golden State's insults and jokes, it will remember the late superstar fondly.

"Let's not remember California as a bloated, rotting freakshow corpse hanging above a filthy public pension toilet," it said. "Let's remember the good times. Like my 6-day bender at the '91 Rose Bowl."


See: Fans flock to mourn

207 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:05:33am

Thank you, littleoldlady- you rock!

208 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:06:10am

re: #200 freetoken

Umm... I am not sure this is the type of fruit that is good for us...

rest assured that nasty stuff, such as the porn you linked to, has no place in the fruitcup.

209 AuntAcid  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:06:47am

FYI -6300 Americans will die today and every day.

210 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:07:00am

re: #189 redc1c4

FRUITCUP!

Great shootin', red. *hic*

211 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:07:05am
212 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:08:07am

re: #211 redc1c4

Time Won't Let Me...

fixed it, maybe...

213 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:10:09am

re: #212 redc1c4

Fixed it for real.

214 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:10:17am

re: #212 redc1c4

fixed it, maybe...

POS... Time Won't Let Me.

not sure who ia hate more: youtube or the browser designers...

215 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:10:32am

re: #206 Ledger1

Iowahawk is on a roll.

[Iowahawk skewers MJ - and MJ’s home state]:

LOS ANGELES - Millions of fans from around the globe gathered along Sunset Boulevardto pay final respects to California today, as a slow moving funeral procession transported the eccentric superstar state's remains to its final resting place in a Winchell's Donuts dumpster in Van Nuys… The 640-mile long funeral parade route was lined with flowers, candles, teddy bears, and IOUs from millions of mourners and debtors who made the somber journey to watch the passing of the state that had once ruled the box office and industrial charts.

For a time it seemed as if the superstar could do no wrong, but behind the glittering facade of Disneyland Manor troubling signs of mental instability began to emerge. The state developed a well publicized drug problem during filming of 1967's 'Summer of Love,' and briefly dabbled in strange religious cults. Under the influence of spiritual guru Jerry Brown, it began wholesale experimentation in exotic spending programs, eventual resulting in a traumatic 1979 stay at the Prop 13 Rehab Center... 80's and 90's California enjoyed a brief career renaissance with hits like 'Olympics,' 'Real Estate' and 'Dot Com Boom,' but personal problems plagued the reclusive star once again. During the recording of the 'OJ' and 'Rodney King' albums, friends and visitors expressed concern over its recurring tremors and penchant for self-mutilationanalysts say the state died penniless, owing creditors as much as $100 billion. Amid the swirling recriminations between California camp factions, fans chose to mark its passing quietly... Iowa said that despite being the constant butt of the Golden State's insults and jokes, it will remember the late superstar fondly.

"Let's not remember California as a bloated, rotting freakshow corpse hanging above a filthy public pension toilet," it said. "Let's remember the good times. Like my 6-day bender at the '91 Rose Bowl."

See: Fans flock to mourn

Updinged and favorited!

216 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:13:20am

re: #205 gmsc

I can't find it! :-( Oh well.

/how're you feeling?

217 yochanan  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:15:32am

The Seersucker theorem states that even though seers are always bogus, suckers will always believe them.

218 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:17:19am

yochanan! :-)

Good one!

/Our President = P.T. Barnum

219 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:19:00am

Wonder what Grey Davis is up to these days...

220 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:19:41am

re: #205 gmsc

I love it! Thanks!

I also like when Marty and "The Pinheads" start playing this for their audition for the school dance, and the head judge, played by Huey Lewis, tells them they're just too darn loud.

"I mean, what if I send it in, a-a-and they don't like it? I just don't think I can take that kind of rejection..."

221 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:20:03am

re: #219 Fenway_Nation

Wonder what Grey Davis is up to these days...

I'll take "Who gives a shit?" for $500, Alex.

222 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:21:01am

re: #221 TheMatrix31

Also would've accepted 'Not envying Ah-nuld'.

223 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:25:49am

re: #216 littleoldlady

I can't find it! :-( Oh well.

/how're you feeling?

I'm feeling much better, thanks! I even went to work today.

BTW, here's a clip from the scene, about 44 seconds in.

224 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:26:50am

re: #223 gmsc

I'm feeling much better, thanks! I even went to work today.

BTW, here's a clip from the scene, about 44 seconds in.

Let me try that link again.

225 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:27:16am

re: #223 gmsc

"The URL contained a malformed video ID. " :-(

226 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:27:22am

re: #221 TheMatrix31

I'll take "Who gives a shit?" for $500, Alex.

"Suck it, Trebek."---Sean Connery

227 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:27:56am

re: #218 littleoldlady

yochanan! :-)

Good one!

/Our President = P.T. Barnum

No, at least Barnum was kind enough to point out a way to a quick egress.

228 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:27:59am

re: #226 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Suck it, Trebek."---Sean Connery

I'll take The Rapists.

229 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:28:15am

re: #228 TheMatrix31

I'll take The Rapists.

"Anal Bum Cover"

230 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:28:41am

re: #225 littleoldlady

Oh ... nevermind!
© Emily Littela

231 yochanan  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:31:44am

how is the fruitcup tonite LOL?

232 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:33:18am

re: #231 yochanan

Typed fresh every morning!

233 yochanan  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:34:30am

re: #232 littleoldlady

VERY LOL CAL.

234 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:34:51am

re: #231 yochanan

Tainted worse than some Nestle Tollhouse Lead Toys made in China.

/well...at least Red's

235 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:35:44am

re: #230 littleoldlady

Oh ... nevermind!
© Emily Littela

BTW, my mom specifically said, "Say hello to littleoldlady for me", so:

HELLO!

She wanted to make sure she didn't call you "fruitcup" again.

236 Gus  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:37:44am

Later folks.

237 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:38:20am

re: #236 Gus 802

Later folks.

G'Nite, Gus!

238 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:39:16am

re: #235 gmsc

Could be worse...

/fruitcake!

Hi backatcha, Mom! :-)

239 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:39:29am

re: #236 Gus 802

Later, gus!

240 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:39:31am

'Night, Gus! :-)

241 freetoken  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:39:48am

re: #231 yochanan

how is the fruitcup tonite LOL?

Red sneaked in some Myrtle Liquor, though he tried vainly to deny it.

242 rightside  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:41:18am

Morning Lizards.

243 yochanan  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:42:11am

re: #238 littleoldlady

u'betcha

244 yochanan  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:42:49am

take the bus gus

245 yochanan  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:43:06am

out the back jack

246 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:43:20am

re: #238 littleoldlady

Could be worse...

/fruitcake!

Hi backatcha, Mom! :-)

I just e-mailed her your reply!

247 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:44:37am

Morning rightside!

248 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:44:41am

rightside! :-)

249 yochanan  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:45:11am

see y'all later

250 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:45:13am

Well, I'm out of here for the night.

Good night, all!

251 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:45:37am

Bye gmsc and yochanan!

252 rightside  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:46:07am

re: #247 Fenway_Nation

Fenway!

re: #248 littleoldlady

lol!

253 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:46:31am
254 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:47:16am

'Night, gmsc! :-)

Bye, yochanan! :-)

255 freetoken  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:49:19am

re: #250 gmsc

goodnight ∏♂...

256 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:52:43am

Word.

257 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:54:36am

re: #256 Sharmuta

Word.

Which one?

258 freetoken  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:55:24am

re: #256 Sharmuta

Word.

A word which has no anagrams (at least, not in common English.)

259 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:55:50am

re: #256 Sharmuta

Word &#8593

260 yochanan  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:56:00am

clicks his heels, spins and the last thing you see is the

evil grin
;-{

261 yochanan  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:57:34am

;-{

262 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 2:59:10am

Well...screwed the pooch on that one. That's probably as sure a sign as any that I should head in.

G'nite, scaley and scalier ones.

263 rightside  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 3:01:32am

re: #262 Fenway_Nation

goodnight.

264 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 3:03:23am

'Night, Fenway! :-)

Extricates butt from chair...

/verybigsigh :-(

Good day, ALL!™

265 freetoken  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 3:06:47am

Goodnight - fenway + Lol

266 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 3:07:59am

re: #257 littleoldlady

Which one?

To your mother.

267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 3:40:56am
268 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 3:44:36am

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They must have refused to register Democrat.

269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 3:45:55am

re: #268 soxfan4life

Okay. There's one.

270 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 3:54:11am

This is sure to help spur economic growth. A surtax on those making over 200,000 to pay for health care for those who can't afford it. Who are these polls asking to get the Democrats as better form the economy, ex politburo members?

271 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 3:54:52am

re: #270 soxfan4life

Sorry here's the link.

[Link: www.comcast.net...]

272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:02:47am

re: #270 soxfan4life

I'm starting to think these may not be good people.

273 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:04:15am

re: #271 soxfan4life

Sorry here's the link.

[Link: www.comcast.net...]


I want the same health care AND retirement plan as Congress.

274 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:04:23am

Good morning.

The futures are pointing to a market opening on the upside as ALCOA reported 2nd Q numbers that were less awful than expected.

The key to the 2nd Q numbers will be is there any hope for the future out there.

275 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:05:30am

re: #270 soxfan4life

This is sure to help spur economic growth. A surtax on those making over 200,000 to pay for health care for those who can't afford it. Who are these polls asking to get the Democrats as better form the economy, ex politburo members?


All this group understands is punishing success and redistributing wealth.

They have no idea how wealth is built to begin with, but they believe that it is unfair if you have any.

276 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:06:21am

re: #270 soxfan4life

One more thought, you will notice that $200,000 is just above what they make.

277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:08:09am

re: #276 3 wood

Mornin' Wood!

I'm guessing that most of them make over 200K. Show me a congress critter that just get's the money from the govt. job.

Are bribes taxed?

278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:09:39am

re: #275 3 wood

They have no idea how wealth is built to begin with, but they believe that it is unfair if you have any.

I disagree entirely. They do know how to build wealth.

Step one? Run for office...
Step two? Write the law...

279 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:10:15am

re: #276 3 wood

One more thought, you will notice that $200,000 is just above what they make.

You wouldn't expect them to pay for something would you?

280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:10:15am

re: #277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"get is"?... damn punctuation.

281 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:11:29am

re: #278 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I disagree entirely. They do know how to build wealth.

Step one? Run for office...
Step two? Write the law...

Or like John Kerry, marry into it.

282 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:13:00am

Get this:

Congress Blasts 'Outrageous' Security Breaches at Nation's Federal Buildings

The Government Accountability Office released a report detailing how investigators carried liquid bomb-making materials past security at 10 federal buildings in 10 cities -- a shocking exposure lawmakers said shows the country's vulnerability eight years after the attacks on the World Trade Center and 14 years after the bombing of a federal building in Oklahoma City.


So let's have these people be in charge of your health care.

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:13:48am

re: #282 3 wood

So let's have these people be in charge of your health care.

No thanks?

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:15:15am

Wood? You see the story I linked above? Check out my 267.

Nice state you have there...

285 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:17:21am

re: #282 3 wood

We don't need security now, the world loves us now that we have elected the 0ne. And government has done such a good job with Medicare why wouldn't they use such a streamlined, efficient program all around.///

286 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:18:34am

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wood? You see the story I linked above? Check out my 267.

Nice state you have there...

OR
[Link: cbs2chicago.com...]

287 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:20:50am

News on ObamaMotors:
GM Will Exit Bankruptcy With $48 Billion in Debt, Judge Says


July 9 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp., which is preparing to sell its best assets to a streamlined new entity, will carry with it liabilities of $48.4 billion, a bankruptcy judge said.

The new GM agreed to take on those obligations to benefit creditors, U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Robert Gerber in New York said July 7. They will be offset by GM’s most competitive assets, such as Cadillac, Chevrolet, Buick and GMC.


Good luck raising capital by selling debt after robbing your prior bond holders and transferring that wealth to your union. Pirates are not just in Somalia.

This is just me, but I've instructed my broker that I will not have any exposure to these thieves in my portfolio, and if for some reason I ever find that I do have said exposure, he's fired. He chuckled and said that if he's ever dumb enough to buy something connected to ObamaMotors, he will fire himself.

288 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:21:54am

What reason do I have to be successful? Serious question.

289 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:22:52am

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I heard about that on the news this morning. I'm not a bit surprised, welcome to Chicago.

Actually things like this have happened in the Chicago area in the past.

290 Rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:23:16am

re: #288 TheMatrix31 To pay for those to lazy to be successful them selfs you greedy bastage.

291 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:23:34am

re: #287 3 wood

News on ObamaMotors:
GM Will Exit Bankruptcy With $48 Billion in Debt, Judge Says


Good luck raising capital by selling debt after robbing your prior bond holders and transferring that wealth to your union. Pirates are not just in Somalia.

This is just me, but I've instructed my broker that I will not have any exposure to these thieves in my portfolio, and if for some reason I ever find that I do have said exposure, he's fired. He chuckled and said that if he's ever dumb enough to buy something connected to ObamaMotors, he will fire himself.


When GM finds itself unable to get capital 0bama will step in and the government will become the bondholder, so while your broker won't be purchasing any stock, as a taxpayer you will still own a stake in 0motors. After all GM is too big to fail.

292 Rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:24:01am

re: #288 TheMatrix31
Well thats the answer anyway tho congress won't come out and put it in those words.

293 notamolly  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:25:33am

Good morning Lizards! Nice to see the Democrats: putting the CON in congress...

294 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:26:45am

re: #288 TheMatrix31

What reason do I have to be successful? Serious question.


That is a very good and serious question.

Depending on how much taxes get raised and if they start giving away health care to those not working, I might stop working for good, put my feet up and just enjoy my pension and the largesse of the government. Why should I keep getting up early every day and dealing with the daily issues in the office if the results of that labor get taxed away from me and my family?

Screw it, at some point it's not worth it anymore.

295 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:27:48am

re: #291 soxfan4life

When GM finds itself unable to get capital 0bama will step in and the government will become the bondholder, so while your broker won't be purchasing any stock, as a taxpayer you will still own a stake in 0motors. After all GM is too big to fail.

That is exactly what is going to happen when nobody buys the bonds of these thieves.

296 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:28:36am

The problem with socialism is that soon you run out of other people's money to spend.

297 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:29:31am

re: #294 3 wood

That is a very good and serious question.

Depending on how much taxes get raised and if they start giving away health care to those not working, I might stop working for good, put my feet up and just enjoy my pension and the largesse of the government. Why should I keep getting up early every day and dealing with the daily issues in the office if the results of that labor get taxed away from me and my family?

Screw it, at some point it's not worth it anymore.

This is how I feel, and this is how production gets crushed under this system. Why do anything when it can be done for you? Why should I finish my UCLA term and go to work, then attempt to go to business school?

When I found out that my multi-millionaire, definition-of-American-Dream success story Uncle was an Obama supporter, I was ready to ask him to just support me for the rest of my life so I wouldn't have to do anything.

298 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:30:49am

re: #294 3 wood

That is a very good and serious question.

Depending on how much taxes get raised and if they start giving away health care to those not working, I might stop working for good, put my feet up and just enjoy my pension and the largesse of the government. Why should I keep getting up early every day and dealing with the daily issues in the office if the results of that labor get taxed away from me and my family?

Screw it, at some point it's not worth it anymore.

3W ... we think about it too ... but I don't believe we would be able to live with ourselves if we did that ... doubt you could either ... it amazes me that some people just do not care and will allow others to carry their water every single day ... I am all for helping those who cannot help themselves but where does it end ...

Good Morning Lizards ... it is beautiful here today in bitterclingerland ...

299 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:31:56am

re: #297 TheMatrix31

This is how I feel, and this is how production gets crushed under this system. Why do anything when it can be done for you? Why should I finish my UCLA term and go to work, then attempt to go to business school?

When I found out that my multi-millionaire, definition-of-American-Dream success story Uncle was an Obama supporter, I was ready to ask him to just support me for the rest of my life so I wouldn't have to do anything.


Become a professor, get tenure, sleep with hot chicks.

300 Rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:32:24am

re: #297 TheMatrix31
Ouch. He can sponser me too if you talk him into it :P.

301 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:34:37am

re: #300 Rustler

Ouch. He can sponser me too if you talk him into it :P.

Literally makes NO sense to me how or why someone like him, who knows EXACTLY what it takes, to support someone like him. I wonder if he regrets the decision or his opinions now. I don't think he does, judging by the e-mail he sent me about Palin the other day.

And I'd never become a professor. I'm not a pompous asshole.

302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:37:28am

re: #301 TheMatrix31

A lot of "up from nothing" folks carry a bit of guilt.

Those that do, in my opinion, are idiots.

303 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:39:17am

'Morning boys and girls and all you of undetermined gender.

re: #298 JacksonTn

3W ... we think about it too ... but I don't believe we would be able to live with ourselves if we did that ... doubt you could either ... it amazes me that some people just do not care and will allow others to carry their water every single day ... I am all for helping those who cannot help themselves but where does it end ...

Good Morning Lizards ... it is beautiful here today in bitterclingerland ...

There is that. There is also the idea that the working workers would be supporting everybody that doesn't work (you already do, but then it would be to an ever-increasing degree. Don't believe me? Ask yourself which government program reduced its scope and influence.) and at some point you just say 'screw it, I'm tired of the weight of everybody on my back' and quit.

Lots of people are working strictly to support health insurance. Provide that and you might see many of those people just stop work and live off their savings and investments.

304 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:43:36am

re: #303 razorbacker

Lots of people are working strictly to support health insurance. Provide that and you might see many of those people just stop work and live off their savings and investments.

Agreed.

305 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:47:31am

Well, crap. I've killed the thread again.

Let me try this.

306 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:50:57am

More politics, the Chicago Way:

Ex-aide to Blago: I tried to stop him


"Working for Gov. Blagojevich was an extraordinarily difficult thing to do for the most honest of public servants, which John Harris is," said Harris' attorney, Terry Ekl.

"In many situations, John tried to prevent the governor from doing things that were illegal. Sometimes the governor would listen to him. Sometimes he wouldn't."

Eventually, Harris, who was Blagojevich's chief of staff at the time they both were arrested Dec. 9, became entangled in his own wrongdoing.

He pleaded guilty Wednesday to one wire fraud count and agreed to testify against his old boss in exchange for a reduced sentence.


Oh please, this guy Harris is not some innocent staffer caught in the middle. If you find out your boss is dirty, you can:

1. Leave. I actually did that early in my career when I found out the guy I was working for had his hand in the till. I had 2 young kids to support but I still hit the door running.

2. Get some evidence and call the States Attorney. In Illinois that can be a dangerous thing to do, but it's still an option.

This guy knew what was going on and he stuck around and apparently helped the crook by acting as a bag man.

307 Rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:51:23am

re: #305 razorbacker Haven't killed the thread just drove us all away sounds like someone was rolling around the wrongf area of the Sty.

308 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:52:01am

When I was 19, after paying all bills (rent, car insurance, gas, etc) I had $30 a week left over for food and whatever else. I drove a POS car.
I worked with a woman who payed $1 a month for rent, got food stamps and drove a brand new Olds. That was when I first uttered, " Well, this is fair."

309 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:53:35am

Another point that I don't think that people have considered is the possibility of financial flight.

If enough people become convinced that government policy is going to lead to more inflation, more taxes, more government intrusion (Did you know that Swiss banks don't accept accounts from Americans anymore due to IRS reporting rules?) then they will simply stop investing here, and move their investments offshore.

Which would probably lead to some effort by government to penalize those Americans that do so. Which would lead to Americans following their money offshore.

310 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:57:53am

JP Morgan does not thing the US market is a real good bet at the moment:

J.P. Morgan repeats unpopular Europe over U.S. call


There's a 35% price-to-earnings discount on Europe vs. U.S. stocks, a 2.1% dividend yield premium and a 30% price-to-book discount.

Return on equity and operating profit-to-sales ratios of European companies also are above their U.S. peers.

"We find the client base extremely skeptical toward European equities, favoring pretty much everything else, but we think Europe continues to offer better risk-reward than the U.S. at least," the strategists said.


The market continues to figure out Obama.

Some how, Bush will get blames for this.

311 Rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 4:58:35am

re: #308 Cannadian Club Akbar

I worked with a woman who payed $1 a month for rent, got food stamps and drove a brand new Olds.

Isn't this basically what Obama was promising as he ran. You take care of me and when I'm president I'll take care of you.

312 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:00:52am

re: #309 razorbacker

Which would probably lead to some effort by government to penalize those Americans that do so. Which would lead to Americans following their money offshore.

That's exactly what will happen. That's one thing I'm thinking about.

313 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:05:49am

DEATH BY CHOCOLATE.

/wow, it actually is possible.

//also, good evening.

314 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:06:38am

Here's some detail on the latest "tax the rich" proposal:

Dems Propose to Raise Taxes on Rich to Fund Health Care Legislation

An income tax surcharge on highly paid Americans emerged as the leading option Wednesday night as House Democrats sought ways to pay for health care legislation that President Obama favors, several officials said.

As discussed in the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, the surtax would apply to individuals with adjusted gross income of more than $200,000 and couples over $250,000, they added.

In addition, key lawmakers are expected to call for a tax or fee equal to a percentage of a worker's salary on employers who do not offer health benefits.

Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-Nev., a member of the panel, said the proposed surtax on high-income taxpayers appealed to her and others as a way to avoid a "nickel-and-dime" approach involving numerous smaller tax increases. She

added that other earlier options had fallen away, including an increase in the payroll tax.


Look for more layoffs and fewer jobs being created as a result of this.

I see where jacking up taxes appeals to Dem's like Berkley. What appeals to me is voting these pirates out of office.

315 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:07:31am

re: #314 3 wood

"Yeah, like they'll be so torn up over not being able to buy that 10th mansion or gold plating on their 5th Learjet!"

/ q;

316 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:08:35am

re: #311 Rustler

Isn't this basically what Obama was promising as he ran. You take care of me and when I'm president I'll take care of you.

317 rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:08:56am

So I can't see the TV I'm in wrong area but I Swear I just heard CNN announce that Pres. Obama is gonna be pushing for a global stimulus package at the G8 conference as well as a world wide carbon emmissions reduction of 20%. So it may not be possible to run from the 0.

318 opnion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:09:04am

Good morning. Legislation is being introduced in the House to compel Senate confirmation hearings for all of the Czars that Obama has named.
Right now there is no confirmation or accountability & it looks like they may be superior to Cabinet secretaries.

319 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:09:24am

re: #307 Rustler

Haven't killed the thread just drove us all away sounds like someone was rolling around the wrongf area of the Sty.

Razorbacks do not live in a Sty. Razorbacks are wild creatures.

Hogs live in stys. Unless they have gone feral and are terrorizing Mandy Manners.

320 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:10:29am

re: #314 3 wood

Here's some detail on the latest "tax the rich" proposal:

Dems Propose to Raise Taxes on Rich to Fund Health Care Legislation


Look for more layoffs and fewer jobs being created as a result of this.

I see where jacking up taxes appeals to Dem's like Berkley. What appeals to me is voting these pirates out of office.

Seems as though 0 misspoke about creatingsaving 3,000,000 jobs. The word he was looking for is obliterating.

321 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:10:57am

Akron police investigate teen mob attack on family

Akron police say they aren't ready to call it a hate crime or a gang initiation.

But to Marty Marshall, his wife and two kids, it seems pretty clear.

It came after a family night of celebrating America and freedom with a fireworks show at Firestone Stadium. Marshall, his family and two friends were gathered outside a friend's home in South Akron.

Out of nowhere, the six were attacked by dozens of teenage boys, who shouted ''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' as they confronted Marshall and his family.

The Marshalls, who are white, say the crowd of teens who attacked them and two friends June 27 on Girard Street numbered close to 50. The teens were all black.


Reverend's Sharpton, Jackson and Wright were unavailable for comment.

If this was the other way around, it would be leading every news broadcast in the MSM.

322 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:12:00am

re: #277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mornin' Wood!

I'm guessing that most of them make over 200K. Show me a congress critter that just get's the money from the govt. job.

Are bribes taxed?

I think that is part of the problem. They have SO much money that it doesn't matter. If you have the wealth of the Pelosis or the Kerris, what do you care if taxes are raised? You'll never live to spend what you have now. It's the rest of us, whether you are in the 200K to 300K range or something much less, who have the burden of this mess.

323 rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:12:04am

re: #319 razorbacker
Lol saw a few razorbacks kept in sties out in Georgia/alabama when I was stationed out that way. They were mostly raised from youngins(not quite piglets but still only a few months old) when their sow mother was shot.

324 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:13:09am

re: #321 3 wood

Akron police investigate teen mob attack on family


Reverend's Sharpton, Jackson and Wright were unavailable for comment.

If this was the other way around, it would be leading every news broadcast in the MSM.

More disturbing is that if it was the other way around, the words hate crime couldn't be spit out fast enough, but in this case they aren't ready to call it a hate crime.

325 opnion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:13:17am

re: #320 soxfan4life

Seems as though 0 misspoke about creatingsaving 3,000,000 jobs. The word he was looking for is obliterating.


Yeah , but he says that the Stimulus is working. We are bleeding jobs & credit hasn't loosened up, so if in his mind it is working then what did he intend?

326 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:13:19am

Got to head for work to pay for others benefits. Don't forget to work hard cause a lot of liberals are depending on your income for their hand outs.

327 rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:14:24am

re: #324 soxfan4life
Pssh only whites can be racist and commit hate crimes. When Minorities respond in kind its concidered justifiable violence(or homicide as the case may be).

328 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:14:31am

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but what a way to go
Death by chocolate

329 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:14:38am

re: #325 opnion

Yeah , but he says that the Stimulus is working. We are bleeding jobs & credit hasn't loosened up, so if in his mind it is working then what did he intend?

If the Stimulus is working, why the need for a second stimulus spending bill.

330 rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:15:15am

re: #328 Mithrax
Lazardo beat ya by a bit see his 313 above.

331 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:15:29am

re: #314 3 wood

Here's some detail on the latest "tax the rich" proposal:

Dems Propose to Raise Taxes on Rich to Fund Health Care Legislation


Look for more layoffs and fewer jobs being created as a result of this.

I see where jacking up taxes appeals to Dem's like Berkley. What appeals to me is voting these pirates out of office.

One small business owner I know is NOT hiring the 3 new employees he could use now to grow his business. He can't afford to do it because he would get caught in this health care thing AND he'd lose most of the gains to taxes. I think that business will be in a stand still or freefall until policies are changed.

332 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:15:31am

re: #328 Mithrax

GMTA!

/see my #313?

333 rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:16:18am

re: #329 soxfan4life
Because other countries need stimulation too.

334 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:17:08am

re: #331 VioletTiger

One small business owner I know is NOT hiring the 3 new employees he could use now to grow his business. He can't afford to do it because he would get caught in this health care thing AND he'd lose most of the gains to taxes. I think that business will be in a stand still or freefall until policies are changed.

How can that be, 0bama and his followers assured us all that he was friendly to small business. So it has to be true, doesn't it?

335 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:17:38am

We, the United States of America, already own the second highest corporate tax rate of all the industrialized nations.

As our individual tax rate rises to rival or surpass individual rates in the rest of the West, at some point you have to ask, "Why am I here? Sweden is nice, and the girls are pretty. France is nice, if you don't bother with the cities. The English countryside is still and green and lush as ever."

Don't answer 'cause we're free here in America'. Every day that Congress is in session reduces your freedom. That is what laws do. They restrict or compell an action. Congress passes laws. There is no sunset provision that I know of.

If a simple Arkie ridge-runner can see it, why does not everyone?

336 opnion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:17:39am

re: #321 3 wood

Akron police investigate teen mob attack on family


Reverend's Sharpton, Jackson and Wright were unavailable for comment.

If this was the other way around, it would be leading every news broadcast in the MSM.

Sharpton still will not concede that Tawana Brawley lied, even though she said that she did. I guess then that the original story was fake , but accurate.

337 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:18:39am

re: #329 soxfan4life

If the Stimulus is working, why the need for a second stimulus spending bill.

With stimuli like these, who needs enemas?

338 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:19:31am

As menial and teen-like as my job is, I am so happy that I've worked there for so long because I now know what it takes to run a small business, as well as how things affect it, like bullshit policies that kill economies.

339 opnion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:19:34am

re: #329 soxfan4life

If the Stimulus is working, why the need for a second stimulus spending bill.

Well, according to Biden, "noone knew how bad the economy really was"
How long to they get to blame Bush for everything?

340 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:19:40am

re: #335 razorbacker

We, the United States of America, already own the second highest corporate tax rate of all the industrialized nations.

As our individual tax rate rises to rival or surpass individual rates in the rest of the West, at some point you have to ask, "Why am I here? Sweden is nice, and the girls are pretty. France is nice, if you don't bother with the cities. The English countryside is still and green and lush as ever."

Don't answer 'cause we're free here in America'. Every day that Congress is in session reduces your freedom. That is what laws do. They restrict or compell an action. Congress passes laws. There is no sunset provision that I know of.

If a simple Arkie ridge-runner can see it, why does not everyone?

I'm liking Brazil, the girls are supposed to be really pretty.

341 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:19:48am

Gonna go shower off and get dinnar, brb.

Leave you with something my bizarre mind came up with... because all this stimulus spending for our health and environment won't exactly cost us an arm AND a leg...

/and in case you're curious, that's a Pokemon. :B

342 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:20:40am

re: #325 opnion

Yeah , but he says that the Stimulus is working. We are bleeding jobs & credit hasn't loosened up, so if in his mind it is working then what did he intend?

He said unemployment would not go above 8% if we passed the stimulus. What we have now at 9.5% is about what they said would happen if we did nothing.

343 rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:20:54am

Posting this now so I don't have to look it up later when i can actually look at it since video disabled at work but Obama making MJ jokes at the G8. Nm looks like the video was removed. Javascript = void

344 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:21:47am

re: #340 soxfan4life

I'm liking Brazil, the girls are supposed to be really pretty.

Robin Hood lives there, too.

345 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:22:45am

re: #323 rustler

Then, by definition, they were hogs.

Actually, all a razorback is is a hog that has gone feral, wild. They are called razorbacks due to the protruding spine, because feral hogs aren't those sweet chubby porcines that you make pork chops out of. They are lean, mean, fast, and have a perpetual bad attitude.

346 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:23:05am

re: #339 opnion

Well, according to Biden, "noone knew how bad the economy really was"
How long to they get to blame Bush for everything?

And the MSM won't call bullshit on them. 0 ran his campaign on us being in the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, and now that it is approaching Carter territory we are supposed to believe that they misread it. I guess Biden is the only one that should have been able to read it, he was the only one of the 4 President/Vice President candidates who was in office during the Carter Administration.

347 rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:23:31am

re: #340 soxfan4life
Australia is good too. Last I saw the male/female ratio there is 57 females to 43 males almost 1.5 to 1 odds mean its nice if your single and looking as a man.

348 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:23:49am

re: #317 rustler

Posted a link yesterday. Prime Minister S. Harper said that there is no need for more stimulus. All governments have to do is get out the stimulus that's already been promised. I love this guy.

/probably will take a hard stance on global warming as well.

349 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:24:22am

re: #347 rustler

Australia is good too. Last I saw the male/female ratio there is 57 females to 43 males almost 1.5 to 1 odds mean its nice if your single and looking as a man.

And the Sheila's don't get all into your business.

350 opnion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:24:29am

re: #342 VioletTiger

He said unemployment would not go above 8% if we passed the stimulus. What we have now at 9.5% is about what they said would happen if we did nothing.

Obama is either doofus , or he has a hidden agenda to destroy the economy & usher in Socialism.

351 rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:24:46am

re: #345 razorbacker They weren't domesticated they were still wild and feral.

352 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:26:40am

re: #340 soxfan4life

I'm liking Brazil, the girls are supposed to be really pretty.

I don't get out as much as I should, but I've never met an ugly Thai girl. I think that the mommas of the ugly girls must keep them at home.

353 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:26:57am

re: #349 soxfan4life

And the Sheila's don't get all into your business.

Don't call the ladies that. You could get decked. A sheila is a women of loose morals.

/found out the hard way.

354 rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:27:36am

re: #342 VioletTiger
Thats because we passed the stimulus but nothing has been done really. Only 15% of the money for the stimulus has been distributed. We may as well not have passed it it was just a way for Obama to start the countries decline into socialism.

355 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:27:48am

re: #350 opnion

Obama is either doofus , or he has a hidden agenda to destroy the economy & usher in Socialism.

356 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:28:05am

re: #348 BlueCanuck

Posted a link yesterday. Prime Minister S. Harper said that there is no need for more stimulus. All governments have to do is get out the stimulus that's already been promised. I love this guy.

/probably will take a hard stance on global warming as well.

Harper is principled and tends to stick to his guns, which is refreshing to say the least.
Unfortunately, the idjit GTA voters continue to keep Iggy and the Libs within spitting distance of the Conservatives in the polls.

357 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:28:13am

re: #353 BlueCanuck

Don't call the ladies that. You could get decked. A sheila is a women of loose morals.

/found out the hard way.

That's the kind we're looking for, isn't it?

/

358 rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:28:15am

re: #352 razorbacker
Just be careful half of those Thai ladies you see are probably boys.

359 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:28:59am

re: #331 VioletTiger

VT ... we have not hired a couple of new people we had intended on hiring this summer ... we are just stretching what we have ... also not buying new tractors this year ... repairing what we have and going to see if they last another year ... only buying what we need as far as supplies ... we usually stockpile our warehouses ... not this year ..

It is not that we cannot afford to do these things ... it is because we are being more careful with our cash because we are unsure of what the future is bringing ... first time in years we have done anything like that and never cut back on hiring before ...

360 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:29:22am

re: #347 rustler

Australia is good too. Last I saw the male/female ratio there is 57 females to 43 males almost 1.5 to 1 odds mean its nice if your single and looking as a man.

I dated a girl from Wagga Wagga once.

Once.

361 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:29:35am

re: #356 Spare O'Lake

GTA = Greater Toronto Area

362 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:29:42am

re: #353 BlueCanuck

Don't call the ladies that. You could get decked. A sheila is a women of loose morals.

/found out the hard way.

Well, that don't mean we wouldn't be looking for sheilas. We just won't call them sheilas.

Loose morals and tight clothes have been the downfall of many a fellow.

363 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:30:35am

re: #354 rustler

Thats because we passed the stimulus but nothing has been done really. Only 15% of the money for the stimulus has been distributed. We may as well not have passed it it was just a way for Obama to start the countries decline into socialism.


That's why it was so important to pass it without reading it or debating it. And fuck Specter, Snowe,and Collins for voting for it.

364 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:30:43am

I mean...if the stimulus was supposed to keep unemployment to less than 8%, and it's now at 9.5%, then...shouldn't that be considered an epic fail already?

365 J.D.  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:30:43am

Friends Of Sonia, And Financiers Of Democrats, At Bar Association

The way most media outlets have treated the American Bar Association's unanimous "Well Qualified" evaluation of Judge Sonia Sotomayor, you'd think they were reporting on a dispassionate assessment by an unassailable apolitical body.

The ABA's Standing Committee on the Federal Judiciary basks in such a false reputation, deluding the public into thinking it objectively assesses judicial nominees based on their integrity, competence and temperament, with ideology a nonfactor.

A look at Federal Election Commission records shatters that notion, revealing that the 15-member ABA panel is dominated by financial supporters of liberal Democrats.

For instance, the FEC Web site indicates the ABA committee's chairman, Kim Askew, gave $2,000 to Democratic Party campaigns like that of Sen. Barbara Boxer of California; Obama administration trade representative Ron Kirk, a former Dallas mayor who ran for the Senate in 2002; and Pennsylvania House candidate Joseph Driscoll. Before those donations, Askew gave $250 to fellow Texan George W. Bush's presidential campaign in 1999.

Fellow board member William Kayatta of Maine was an early supporter of the president, giving $1,000 to Obama for America all the way back in May 2007, as well as $2,300 to failed Maine Democratic congressional candidate Adam Cote and $1,500 to former Maine Democratic Rep. Tom Allen's failed 2008 Senate bid.

Another board member is Mary Boies, who was assistant director of domestic policy in the Carter White House. She is also the wife of David Boies, the highflying attorney who represented Al Gore in front of the Supreme Court in the 2000 election dispute.

FEC records show Mrs. Boies has given tens of thousands of dollars to Democratic campaigns, like those of Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Edward Kennedy, as well as $5,000 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in 2006 when current White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel headed it. She's also given a smattering to the odd Republican, like $1,000 to former Westchester, N.Y., District Attorney Jeanine Pirro's aborted Senate challenge to Hillary Clinton.

Maryland-based Harry Johnson gave $2,000 to the Obama Senate campaign in 2004 and also contributed to Maryland Democratic Rep. Christopher Van Hollen's re-election campaign the next year.

Another member, Chicago attorney Richard Gray, gave to the campaign of scandal-plagued former Illinois Democratic Sen. Carol Moseley-Braun. ...


And *gasp* there are more!

366 rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:32:01am

re: #353 BlueCanuck
These the Sheila's you talking about Blue?

367 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:32:17am

re: #356 Spare O'Lake

*sigh* And it's those smae idjits that voted for Miller. Garbage strike #2. I wish some voters here would finally get an effin clue.

368 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:32:37am

re: #362 razorbacker

Loose morals and tight clothes have been the downfall of many a fellow.

If she's got a big library, and as good common sense, I'll take that over tight clothes :P

369 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:32:56am

re: #362 razorbacker

Loose morals and tight clothes have been the downfall of many a fellow.

And lord, I know, I am one.

/classic reference.

370 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:32:57am

re: #358 rustler

Just be careful half of those Thai ladies you see are probably boys.

Then it'd be like that strip club I was in passed by in New Orleans. Best looking girly-boys that this old country boy ever saw.

I hear that those new five-bladed razors have pretty near eliminated razor burn.

NTTAWWT

371 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:35:10am

re: #369 BlueCanuck

And lord, I know, I am one.

/classic reference.

If you visit New Orleans you'd better watch out for that particular house.

372 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:35:21am

re: #366 rustler

Where do come up with those marvelous links? Amazing how sex is rooted into past and present cultures.

373 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:35:38am

re: #364 TheMatrix31

I mean...if the stimulus was supposed to keep unemployment to less than 8%, and it's now at 9.5%, then...shouldn't that be considered an epic fail already?

You ain't seen nuthin' yet.

374 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:36:07am

re: #372 BlueCanuck

Where do you.

PIMF

375 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:36:36am

re: #368 Mithrax

If she's got a big library, and as good common sense, I'll take that over tight clothes :P

Good looks don't last.

Good cooking does.

376 rain of lead  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:37:28am

re: #359 JacksonTn

mornin JT
long time no chat
how you doin?

377 rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:37:47am

re: #372 BlueCanuck
Wiki is great but I saw an old National geographic show about em when i was young and the name stuck.

378 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:37:49am

re: #363 soxfan4life

That's why it was so important to pass it without reading it or debating it. And fuck Specter, Snowe,and Collins for voting for it.

And they are going to repeat that many times. Crap and Tax was the same thing--huge bill, got a couple of shithead repubs to sucker in and vote for it, no time to read it.

Watch how the health care bill is the same way. Will probably over a 1000 pages and we have to pass it NOW or ...whatever terrible things will happen.
'Never waste a good crisis', right?

379 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:38:16am

re: #375 razorbacker

Good looks don't last.

Good cooking does.

Or as my Daddy used to say, looks are nice, but sooner or later you have to get out of bed and talk to her.

380 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:38:20am

re: #375 razorbacker

Good looks don't last.

Good cooking does.

Which is why I learned to cook. I won't always be the rugged stud that I am now :P

381 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:38:23am

re: #376 rain of lead

mornin JT
long time no chat
how you doin?

RoL ... Hey! ... come on ... do not tell me you are reading my mind? ... or did you just get my email? ... how ya'll doing ...

382 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:39:29am

re: #350 opnion

Obama is either doofus , or he has a hidden agenda to destroy the economy & usher in Socialism.

I'm praying for "doofus"...

/Good Morning everybody!

383 walter l. newton  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:39:30am

Morning all. Fifty degrees here at the Secret Rocky Mountain Lair, going back down hill in a few minutes. Has anyone seen my unicorn yet?

384 opnion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:39:32am

re: #378 VioletTiger

And they are going to repeat that many times. Crap and Tax was the same thing--huge bill, got a couple of shithead repubs to sucker in and vote for it, no time to read it.

Watch how the health care bill is the same way. Will probably over a 1000 pages and we have to pass it NOW or ...whatever terrible things will happen.
'Never waste a good crisis', right?

Once they "reform" healthcare it will never return to an effective system.
There are ways to improve it without wrecking it.

385 rain of lead  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:40:29am

re: #381 JacksonTn

we're all good here, been doing the summer thang, not much lgf time,
popping in and out.

how did the cma stuff go for you?

386 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:40:51am

re: #378 VioletTiger

And they are going to repeat that many times. Crap and Tax was the same thing--huge bill, got a couple of shithead repubs to sucker in and vote for it, no time to read it.

Watch how the health care bill is the same way. Will probably over a 1000 pages and we have to pass it NOW or ...whatever terrible things will happen.
'Never waste a good crisis', right?

And if Steele, McConnell, and Boehner can't get the Republicans to stand together and vote no they should all be shown the door. The Dems have all the votes they need so the only reason they would be looking for bi-partisan support is the ability to deflect blame when the shit hits the fan.

387 opnion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:40:59am

re: #382 CIA Reject

I'm praying for "doofus"...

/Good Morning everybody!

Not if he is as brilliant as his supporters keep saying.

388 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:41:23am

re: #369 BlueCanuck

And lord, I know, I am one.

/classic reference.

One foot on the station,
The other on the train...

389 rustler  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:42:24am

Later all shift almost over and lots of guests moving into lobby area.

390 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:42:25am

re: #385 rain of lead

RoL ... everything has been great ... I am getting ready to travel some with one of the businesses end of the month but other than that I am staying near home and in the a/c ... tell momcat I said hey and your beautiful baby girl ...

391 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:43:41am

re: #387 opnion

Not if he is as brilliant as his supporters keep saying.


Mornin' Opinion- that's why I'm praying! A doofus we can survive fairly easily, a dedicated calculating Socialist not so much...

392 rain of lead  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:44:12am

re: #390 JacksonTn

cool. the girl turns 7 in a few days "sniff" they grow up too dang fast.

393 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:44:38am

re: #391 CIA Reject

Mornin' Opinion- that's why I'm praying! A doofus we can survive fairly easily, a dedicated calculating Socialist not so much...

Who better to subvert and distort the Constitution than a Constitutional Scholar?

394 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:45:45am

Wow. That hour flew by.

Time really does fly when you're having fun.

But, the meatworld awaits, and I need to get out and about in it.

BTW, yesterday my wife pitched a fit and demanded that I find and fix the reason that her windshield washers had quit working. So I started checking the problem at the washer fluid bottle, making sure that the pump still worked and then following the hose up through the engine compartment and taking each connection apart in turn and verifying that the fluid would spurt there. Got to the cowl covering the mechanism that moves the wipers themselves, removed that, and found that somehow the hose between the two nozzles had gotten pinched in two.

In over four and a half decades of messing around with automobiles, I had never before seen that.

Later, y'all.

395 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:46:39am

re: #384 opnion

Once they "reform" healthcare it will never return to an effective system.
There are ways to improve it without wrecking it.

They are not reforming anything. They are taking my money and your money and buying other people a ticket into a flawed system. If they really wanted to 'fix' healthcare they would do something about tort reform. It's just another socialist move and they get away with it because healthcare is expensive so it resonates with people.

396 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:46:56am

re: #392 rain of lead

cool. the girl turns 7 in a few days "sniff" they grow up too dang fast.

Don't worry, when they become teenagers they can't grow up fast enough. I look at my 19 yr old son and still see the little 3lb. bundle of joy I could hold in the palm of my hand, but I couldn't wait for him to graduate High School and go out on his own.

397 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:47:27am

re: #392 rain of lead

cool. the girl turns 7 in a few days "sniff" they grow up too dang fast.

RoL ... that is the truth ... gotta go do some strawbossing ... LOL ... my brother hates that! ... I taught him how to make some killer brownies and now it is in his job description ... delish ... time to do taste testing ... email and let me know when ya'll will be back in town ... I am in town most of the time now only at the farms during the day some days cuz slow there in summer ... stay cool! ...

398 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:48:38am

re: #380 Mithrax

Which is why I learned to cook. I won't always be the rugged stud that I am now :P

Look on the bright side. I'm told that even after you're too old to cut the mustard, they still let you lick the jar.

Hmmm. I may need to ask for someone to explain that further, now that I see it in print. Looks almost dirty.

Have fun, folks.

399 rain of lead  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:49:36am

re: #396 soxfan4life

yeah, If I can get her through HS without being pregnant or in jail I will feel like I've done a good job.

400 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:50:03am

re: #396 soxfan4life

Don't worry, when they become teenagers they can't grow up fast enough. I look at my 19 yr old son and still see the little 3lb. bundle of joy I could hold in the palm of my hand, but I couldn't wait for him to graduate High School and go out on his own.

Yeah, I have a 19 yo too (girl). I remember the cute, sweet years. She's driving out to see her boyfriend this morning and it's a 2 hour drive. I will be drinking many cups of coffee this morning...

401 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:51:25am

re: #399 rain of lead

yeah, If I can get her through HS without being pregnant or in jail I will feel like I've done a good job.

I am thankful that I had a son, not that I wouldn't love a daughter, but I would make her life tough, because every boy picking her up for a date would be the most evil little bastard ever in my eyes.

402 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:51:34am

re: #400 VioletTiger

Ahhh, the torment I put my parents through. Against their wishes I joined the reserves when I was 18. Talk about a strained atmosphere for several months.

403 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:52:55am

re: #401 soxfan4life

Got a friend that's working on memorizing the rules for dating his daughter. Don't know if that will do the trick. Then again she does take after her father, so it shouldn't be that much of a problem. If they have enough guts to ask her out, dad should be a breeze.

404 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:53:23am

re: #393 soxfan4life

Who better to subvert and distort the Constitution than a Constitutional Scholar?

Well, I'm no expert on the Constitution, but from what I've seen of Obama his credentials as a "Constitutional Scholar" are mostly inventions of his PR machine.

I've (barely) managed to hold onto my sanity since the election by reminding myself that the United States as a nation has survived the likes of Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton in the office of President so there is every indication that we will survive this guy.

I do admit though that what condition we'll be in after that survival is a question of some concern.

405 badger1970  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:53:28am

re: #364 TheMatrix31

Get the top spinning. Epic fail would be obama losing his job. If we are losing our jobs at a rate greater than expected, it's just a minor set back.

Is anyone sick of their "new rich" attitude? They're acting like a bunch of hillbillies after winning the lottery. Where's PETA regarding mo's alligator hand bag? That chicken footprint T-shirt worn by one of the daughters was pretty strange. I guess she didn't have a che t-shirt available.

406 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:56:03am

re: #404 CIA Reject

Well, I'm no expert on the Constitution, but from what I've seen of Obama his credentials as a "Constitutional Scholar" are mostly inventions of his PR machine.

I've (barely) managed to hold onto my sanity since the election by reminding myself that the United States as a nation has survived the likes of Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton in the office of President so there is every indication that we will survive this guy.

I do admit though that what condition we'll be in after that survival is a question of some concern.

America as a nation is great because of her citizens, not because of her leaders. Reagan was effective because he made us proud to be Americans, we won the war and came out of the Great Depression because of our citizens, and we will weather this shit storm because of our citizens.

407 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:56:41am

re: #406 soxfan4life

America as a nation is great because of her citizens, not because of her leaders. Reagan was effective because he made us proud to be Americans, we won the war and came out of the Great Depression because of our citizens, and we will weather this shit storm because of our citizens.

Exactly!

408 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:56:48am

Billions in aid go to areas that backed Obama in '08

Counties that supported Obama last year have reaped twice as much money per person from the administration's $787 billion economic stimulus package as those that voted for his Republican rival, Sen. John McCain, a USA TODAY analysis of government disclosure and accounting records shows.

Here's an interesting tidbit:

The reports show the 872 counties that supported Obama received about $69 per person, on average. The 2,234 that supported McCain received about $34.

Too bad elections are based on acreage. It just goes to show that stacking people on top of each other and giving them all piss poor education and handouts is the way to power.

409 rain of lead  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:57:08am

re: #401 soxfan4life

I am thankful that I had a son, not that I wouldn't love a daughter, but I would make her life tough, because every boy picking her up for a date would be the most evil little bastard ever in my eyes.

I plan to be a right bastard to any first date she brings to the house,
If the boy has the balls to ask her out on a second date he MIGHT be ok

410 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:59:21am

re: #408 CommonCents

Billions in aid go to areas that backed Obama in '08

Too bad elections are based on acreage. It just goes to show that stacking people on top of each other and giving them all piss poor education and handouts is the way to power.

It would be interesting to see how the dollars spent in taxes looked versus the dollars received.

411 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:01:05am

re: #409 rain of lead

I plan to be a right bastard to any first date she brings to the house,
If the boy has the balls to ask her out on a second date he MIGHT be ok

Keeping a shotgun broken down and being cleaned readily available are you? My Dad used to do that with my sis, date would show up and Dad was cleaning his shotgun, and would say make sure she's home on time.

412 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:01:36am

re: #408 CommonCents

Billions in aid go to areas that backed Obama in '08

Similar to the Akron story where a group of one racial group attacked a family of another racial group while shouting racist statements "isn't ready to be declared a hate crime", the obvious imbalance of monies distributed from the democrat government to it's supporters includes this gem: ""it will be important to pay close attention as the data come in to ensure that political favoritism plays no role."

413 freetoken  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:02:26am

Fascinating new article on some aging research based on a drug derived from microbes from Easter Island:

Rapamycin extends life in mice, raising hopes of life-prolonging drug for humans

The article published in Nature yesterday:
[Link: www.nature.com...]

Wikipedia already has added that last bit of news to the entry page for the drug:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

414 rain of lead  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:03:41am

re: #411 soxfan4life

that and having a book on the coffee table with a fake dust cover that says "How to commit murder and not get caught" :)

415 freetoken  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:04:17am

I can see the scammers already... selling little packets of Easter Island soil for big $$$...

416 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:04:34am

BBL - telecon!

417 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:06:47am

re: #415 freetoken

I can see the scammers already... selling little packets of Easter Island soil for big $$$...

Not to mention the infomercials- it's too bad Billy Mays is gone...

Mornin' Freetoken! What do you see in your crystal ball for the market today?

418 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:08:22am

re: #410 soxfan4life

It would be interesting to see how the dollars spent in taxes looked versus the dollars received.

Yes it would. I think the disparity would be HUGE considering most of the spend goes to groups who no longer pay any taxes.

419 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:09:45am

re: #408 CommonCents

"Well, the Republican governors refused the money..."

/ q;

420 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:09:58am

re: #405 badger1970

That chicken footprint T-shirt worn by one of the daughters was pretty strange. I guess she didn't have a che t-shirt available.

Sweet. I like that.

421 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:10:57am

re: #419 lazardo

"Well, the Republican governors refused the money..."

/ q;

Only by the one who shouldn't have been trying to draw attention. That worked out well for him.
/

422 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:11:41am

Good Morning {all y'all, and a happy Thursday to you and yours.

423 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:11:48am

re: #393 soxfan4life

Who better to subvert and distort the Constitution than a Constitutional Scholar?

From what I've seen of his performance heretofore, he dedicated his education to figure out just how.

424 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:12:28am

re: #422 redstateredneck

mornin to y'all too

425 freetoken  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:13:03am

re: #417 CIA Reject


Mornin' Freetoken! What do you see in your crystal ball for the market today?

Good morning (if indeed it is morning...)

I don't do "markets".

Many years ago I had a co-worker who spent all day deep into the wickets of day-trading (of course, not when he was doing his legitimate work, ahemm...) Actually, he did ok in the end, after some 20+ years of fiddling I believe his returns netted him a very nice retirement.

Still, it bore me to tears. Never could get into it.

426 KenJen  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:13:08am

re: #422 redstateredneck

Good Morning {all y'all, and a happy Thursday to you and yours.

Whoops! Thought it was Wednesday.

427 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:13:41am

re: #421 CommonCents

[snickering as he remembers it was that governor]

428 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:14:07am

re: #422 redstateredneck

Good Morning {all y'all, and a happy Thursday to you and yours.

"Thank Goodness It's Friday" = TGIF

"So Happy It's Thursday" = SHIT

:-)

429 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:14:11am

re: #426 KenJen

Whoops! Thought it was Wednesday.


No, honey, we've made that hump!

430 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:14:34am

re: #417 CIA Reject

I would have bought one of those big Easter Island stone heads if Billy Mays advertised it. D:

/not really, but you get the idea.

431 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:14:47am

re: #428 CIA Reject

"Thank Goodness It's Friday" = TGIF

"So Happy It's Thursday" = SHIT

:-)

LOL!
I think I'll make a little sign for my desk today that says that.

432 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:15:03am

Now that Al Franken is seated, the world is safe from democracy.

433 rockeye  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:15:25am

No crying about Thursday. Tonight I'll be taking my daughter to a Jonas Brothers concert. Twenty-thousand screeching 'tweens and I'll be trapped right there. Please pray for me.

434 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:16:05am

re: #433 rockeye

No God would be merciful enough to let any rational person get trapped in such suffering.

/ q:

435 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:16:31am

re: #331 VioletTiger

One small business owner I know is NOT hiring the 3 new employees he could use now to grow his business. He can't afford to do it because he would get caught in this health care thing AND he'd lose most of the gains to taxes. I think that business will be in a stand still or freefall until policies are changed.


When I retired last summer I was thinking of opening my own small business and maybe employing a couple other people in the bargain. That lasted until I saw the results of the election. So u=instead of doing that and growing the economy, I took a book keeping job for the extra cash and benefits.

If they nationalize health care then I really don't need to work much after my kids finish college in a couple years.


You will see a lot of people pull back if this keeps going this way. There will be no reason to take the risk and try to grow a business if you just get pounded for it by Obama.

That, and I would expect a lot of cash only - off the books work will happen.

436 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:16:38am

re: #430 lazardo

I would have bought one of those big Easter Island stone heads if Billy Mays advertised it. D:

/not really, but you get the idea.

Billy had a way of convincing you that you needed that shit. And look at all the money you'd $ave! ! !

437 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:17:18am

re: #433 rockeye

No crying about Thursday. Tonight I'll be taking my daughter to a Jonas Brothers concert. Twenty-thousand screeching 'tweens and I'll be trapped right there. Please pray for me.

I'm not sure which is less appealing to the ears, the screeching tweens or the Jonas Bros.

438 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:17:21am

re: #430 lazardo

I would have bought one of those big Easter Island stone heads if Billy Mays advertised it. D:

/not really, but you get the idea.

Yeah - the man could sell ice cubes to Eskimos...

...and he was loud enough to do it all the way from Florida - may he RIP

439 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:17:32am

re: #433 rockeye

Oh you poor soul. Just load up your cars cd player with heavy metal for afterwards. It will help. :)

440 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:17:48am

re: #433 rockeye

No crying about Thursday. Tonight I'll be taking my daughter to a Jonas Brothers concert. Twenty-thousand screeching 'tweens and I'll be trapped right there. Please pray for me.


Bless your heart. I was a bad mother in that I never took mine to any concerts.

441 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:17:50am

re: #399 rain of lead

yeah, If I can get her through HS without being pregnant or in jail I will feel like I've done a good job.

"My job as a father? Keep the girl off the pole."
-Chris Rock

442 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:17:57am

re: #436 redstateredneck

Call now and I'll throw in a rock from the Galapagos that Darwin sat on while he wrote his Origin of Species! ABSOLUTELY FREE!

443 rockeye  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:17:58am

re: #434 lazardo

Rational, yes. However tonight I'll be playing the role of "the best daddy ever," therefore good sense won't really be necessary. Just a lot of forbearance.

444 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:18:17am

re: #433 rockeye

No crying about Thursday. Tonight I'll be taking my daughter to a Jonas Brothers concert. Twenty-thousand screeching 'tweens and I'll be trapped right there. Please pray for me.

You have my deepest condolences.

445 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:18:18am

re: #425 freetoken

OOPS - sorry I misremembered you as one of the resident market wonks!

446 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:18:38am

The Girl with no future
By Michael Yon

Let's be frank. We must look at the situation and ask, "How far can we nudge this place by the year 2100?" Reasonably speaking -- let's take out the pencils -- how many generations are required to achieve even 80 percent literacy? If widespread literacy is a goal -- literacy should be a primary goal- - it's already too late for most of the youngsters who will be born in the next five years.

...Yet we and our many allies must realize that this cake will not be baked in 10 years. Some British, at least, talk in terms of 10 more years. A key Japanese official in Afghanistan said to me that they are committed to 10, 20, maybe 30 years. It will take 100, but at least the Japanese are thinking straight, while most of us are not.

A good honest essay on the reality of Afghanistan. RTWT!

447 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:19:47am

re: #444 3 wood

What's new in Cubbie land? Seems to be alot of talk here in Boston about the Sox making a trade for Halladay. What a rotation we would have then.

448 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:20:17am

re: #431 redstateredneck

LOL!
I think I'll make a little sign for my desk today that says that.

Make two signs - it works for Tuesday as well!

449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:20:38am

re: #433 rockeye

Well, who ever said parenting wasn't about sacrifices?

I am impressed by your diligence.

450 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:20:44am

re: #433 rockeye

Can't the parents escape to a protected lounge? We did that when we took our tweens to a Hillary Duff concert a few years ago.

451 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:21:02am

Good morning y'all - from a muggy (70 degrees, 92 % humidity, temp going up to 84 degrees with T-Storms and heavy rain predicted) cloudy and overcast Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

452 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:22:06am

re: #451 realwest

Hey {real} ! How you doin'?

453 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:22:58am

re: #451 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a muggy (70 degrees, 92 % humidity, temp going up to 84 degrees with T-Storms and heavy rain predicted) cloudy and overcast Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

Between the weather y'all get in Charlotte and the wonderful weather we've been having in central MA, when exactly did Seattle move east? I think my neighbor is starting to build an ark.

454 rockeye  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:23:00am

re: #450 Kenneth
That sounds like a wonderful idea, however if I'm to listen to Chris Rock,

re: #441 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I need to be in close supervision mode. She (the varmint) is only nine, you know.

455 KenJen  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:23:55am

re: #440 redstateredneck

Bless your heart. I was a bad mother in that I never took mine to any concerts.

My mom took my sister and I to a Culture Club concert when we were younger. Some would say she was a bad mother for doing it./

456 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:24:42am

re: #451 realwest

Check my #341 for something weird. Other'n that, breathing a little easier these days.

457 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:25:28am

re: #455 KenJen

My mom took my sister and I to a Culture Club concert when we were younger. Some would say she was a bad mother for doing it./

Well, what goes around comes around for some lizards.

/red, gold and greeen~

458 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:25:32am

I picked up my daughter at the airport for a visit at spring break.
On the drive home she said"Daddy,I ain't a virgin anymore"!
I pulled to the side of the road and scolded her "two years of
college tuition and your still saying AIN'T"!

459 freetoken  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:26:04am

re: #446 Kenneth

Very poignant article by Yon. Especially notable what he mentioned about the Germans and Canadians. The enemies of modernity know that all they have to do is outlast the West, which tends to be very trend-driven.

460 rockeye  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:26:04am

re: #455 KenJen

Isn't it always the case that by the time we become adults, the permissivness of our parents looks tame by way of camparison to the present day? Culture Club couldn't even afford to ante up in today's (seemingly) crazed world. I can only imagine what my grandkids will be doing.

461 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:26:49am

re: #452 redstateredneck
Hey {red} two handed hug - how wonderful, thanks!
I'm back off to the effin' dentist this morning cause my store bought temp mouth guard is chewing up the inside of my mouth where they put that temp crown in below the gum line (the temp crown, I meant!).

462 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:26:51am

re: #458 reloadingisnotahobby

HAHAHA!

463 KenJen  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:28:00am

re: #457 lazardo

Well, what goes around comes around for some lizards.

/red, gold and greeen~

And don't forget Karma Karma Chameleon.

464 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:28:27am

FWIW, I just had a very interesting conversation with my 18 year old about the political scene.

She told me that she is seeing a big change in the last month or so in her age group, with a big swing towards more anti-Obama sentiment. She said most of them were buying the Hope and change garbage and cheering last winter. But now that they are facing the real world, either trying to go to college or find jobs, they are getting upset with the situation.

In addition, many of them are starting to tap into the fact that most of the burden of this debt will fall on them long term in higher taxes and fewer job opportunities. She and most of her girl friends are pursuing medicine/nursing and are scared to death about the nationalized health care possibility. She said their take is that most of the burden for providing health care services will fall on nurses to avoid the cost of doctors, plus their pay levels will likely be capped.

The Republicans have a growing opportunity here to expand their base by offering some market based solutions to the young voters out there, if they can only see it and grasp it.

I was very proud to hear this coming from my daughter. Seems like all the Old Man's lectures at the dinner table over the years about economics soaked in.

465 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:28:46am

re: #404 CIA Reject

Obama taught constitutional law, as a lecturer, not a full professor, at the University of Chicago. I'm guessing it was a first year course.

In a radio interview back ion 2003/ he asserted the US Constitution was fatally flawed because it lacked a clause guaranteeing a minimum income for Americans. If Obama thinks such an amendment would improve the Constitution, then he has a vastly different understanding of the Constitution than the people who wrote it.

466 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:28:46am

re: #461 realwest

Hey {red} two handed hug - how wonderful, thanks!
I'm back off to the effin' dentist this morning cause my store bought temp mouth guard is chewing up the inside of my mouth where they put that temp crown in below the gum line (the temp crown, I meant!).

Oh, darlin'...I hate you're having such trouble with your poor mouth. I hate those temp crowns. I always end up biting my cheek when I have one. They're like a fricken tin can.

467 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:29:16am

re: #453 soxfan4life
and
re: #456 lazardo
Good morning to you both! "Uh, Lord, what's a cubit?"
(h/t Bill Cosby)
and laZardo that was ah...interesting! I'm gonna check it out again in a few minutes!

468 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:30:11am

re: #447 soxfan4life

What's new in Cubbie land? Seems to be alot of talk here in Boston about the Sox making a trade for Halladay. What a rotation we would have then.

They are talking to anybody and everybody trying to find another pitcher.

Problem is, they don't have much to deal with. This is where they hurt themselves by having a poor minor league feeder system.

469 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:30:21am

Good morning all.
While we all concern ourselves with the craziness of Ron Paul... The Democrats are going to enslave this nation with Government Run Health Care. "Taxing the rich" is an easy populous message for the kiddies to swallow, but it will further devastate our economy and the quality of care will go down (way down) while costs skyrocket. Competition will be shut off, while the quality of care and treatment are rationed.

"Coming Soon - The Nightmare From Up There"
-Sally Pipes

Before America emulates the Canadian model with a new trillion-plus-dollar health plan, it's worth examining whether government-run systems are all they're cracked up to be. As a Canadian by birth, I can assure you they're not.

A "culture of queuing" dominates my native land. In 2008, the average Canadian waited 17.3 weeks from the time his general practitioner referred him to a specialist until he actually received treatment, according to the Vancouver-based Fraser Institute.

That's 86% longer than the wait in 1993, when the Institute first started quantifying the problem. In 2008, more than 750,000 Canadians — 2.8% of the population — were on waiting lists.

My mother's case is instructive. In June 2005, she wasn't feeling well and thought she might have colon cancer. She asked for a colonoscopy but was told by her doctor that it was unnecessary. The doctor ordered an X-ray, which revealed nothing.

By December, she was 30 pounds lighter, bleeding — and finally eligible for care. She spent two days in the emergency room and two days in a transit lounge waiting for a room. A colonoscopy revealed advanced cancer. She died two weeks later.

Nice.
We can all be happy slaves of the state. "Free health care for all!"

470 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:30:46am

re: #464 3 wood

Coming from a 21-year-old that often rains on peoples' parades, there's still the reservation that my contemporaries will try looking for something even more "radical" should Obama fail.

471 rockeye  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:30:52am

re: #464 3 wood
Kids are all about the odd dichotomy of following trends and wanting to buck them at the same time. Now that everyone thinks Obama is cool is the time for the cool kids to become disdainful of the chosen one, and the followers to follow them. Then it will (hopefully(and changefully)) be time for them to find something new to swoon about.

472 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:30:58am

re: #461 realwest

What say ye fellow Lizards?
Shall we bestow upon Realwest a permenant crown?
I say yea!
Forever to be adressed as Sir Realwest!
( Can't let Mandy do the sword thingy tho...K?)
Good luck at the Dentist Dungeon Real...

473 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:32:26am

re: #454 rockeye

I guess it depends on the act and who will be in the audience. Hillary Duff's music made sure no boys over the age of 14 were anywhere near the stadium. I had to laugh: when we went back to the hall to collect our little tweenie boppers, Duff was screeching her way through her encore number, "My Generation". Not quite the same as I remember The Who doing it.

474 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:32:44am

HEY, how many of y'all ever heard of a Place Card before? And I don't mean in a social setting!

It's something only the super arrogant pricks of the Democratic Party (Obama, Pelosi and Reid, a/k/a/ the "Troika of Evil") could come up with.

Check out what a Place Card is here: [Link: michellemalkin.com...]

475 albusteve  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:32:44am

re: #470 lazardo

Coming from a 21-year-old that often rains on peoples' parades, there's still the reservation that my contemporaries will try looking for something even more "radical" should Obama fail.

that is to be expected from that age group...idealism trumps reality until maturity catches up, if it does

476 opnion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:32:51am

re: #401 soxfan4life

I am thankful that I had a son, not that I wouldn't love a daughter, but I would make her life tough, because every boy picking her up for a date would be the most evil little bastard ever in my eyes.

And you would be correct. I always had a case against any boy he dated my daughter.

477 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:33:17am

Morning my fine lizard friends. Hey, I'm just getting started reading the news but just had to jump in here with this shocking AP headline.
"565K new jobless claims, lowest level since Jan." I'm sitting here stunned for a second saying wtf? So I clicked on the link and got to the second paragraph that read "Continuing claims, meanwhile, unexpectedly jumped to a record-high." Now what would you bet this headline would have read had Bushmcchimpyhaliburton still been President? Yeah "Unemployment under Bush at a record-high" spit

478 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:33:21am

A great Chis Rock gig...

479 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:33:41am

re: #465 Kenneth

Obama taught constitutional law, as a lecturer, not a full professor, at the University of Chicago. I'm guessing it was a first year course.

In a radio interview back ion 2003/ he asserted the US Constitution was fatally flawed because it lacked a clause guaranteeing a minimum income for Americans. If Obama thinks such an amendment would improve the Constitution, then he has a vastly different understanding of the Constitution than the people who wrote it.


Agreed!

480 justabill  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:33:56am

re: #469 FrogMarch

Is that why its called queubec?

481 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:36:15am

re: #474 realwest

HEY, how many of y'all ever heard of a Place Card before? And I don't mean in a social setting!

It's something only the super arrogant pricks of the Democratic Party (Obama, Pelosi and Reid, a/k/a/ the "Troika of Evil") could come up with.

Check out what a Place Card is here: [Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Hotdamn. And these bills are supposed to be completely, publicly accessible.

Or is it because it was 1,500 pages, that they could try getting away with just that little bit of padding?

/will vote for whoever can stick a Rick Astley Day commemoration in a bill like that...

482 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:36:21am

re: #472 reloadingisnotahobby "Sir Realwest"! Uh, I think you're being a little too obsequious on my behalf my friend.
Just refer to me as "His Majesty Realwest" and we'll let it go at that! LOL!

483 KenJen  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:36:33am

re: #477 turn

Morning my fine lizard friends. Hey, I'm just getting started reading the news but just had to jump in here with this shocking AP headline.
"565K new jobless claims, lowest level since Jan." I'm sitting here stunned for a second saying wtf? So I clicked on the link and got to the second paragraph that read "Continuing claims, meanwhile, unexpectedly jumped to a record-high." Now what would you bet this headline would have read had Bushmcchimpyhaliburton still been President? Yeah "Unemployment under Bush at a record-high" spit

Good morning turn. They won't be able to disguise the truth much longer. People are starting to pay attention.

484 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:37:12am

re: #474 realwest

HEY, how many of y'all ever heard of a Place Card before? And I don't mean in a social setting!

It's something only the super arrogant pricks of the Democratic Party (Obama, Pelosi and Reid, a/k/a/ the "Troika of Evil") could come up with.

Check out what a Place Card is here: [Link: michellemalkin.com...]


If Barney Fwank likes it, you know it's bad.

485 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:37:18am

re: #465 Kenneth

In a radio interview back ion 2003/ he asserted the US Constitution was fatally flawed because it lacked a clause guaranteeing a minimum income for Americans. If Obama thinks such an amendment would improve the Constitution, then he has a vastly different understanding of the Constitution than the people who wrote it.

I think he spent more time studying Das Kapital and the Communist Manifesto than the Consitution.

486 rockeye  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:38:15am

re: #485 3 wood

That statement is cringe-worthy, because it just might be true.

487 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:38:30am

re: #464 3 wood

Morning 3w, that is a wonderful story (well the part about your smart daughter not the piss poor economy and debt O is leaving them). You must be proud of her, good work man.

488 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:39:03am

re: #464 3 wood

That's interesting. the Republicans do have a huge opportunity. I sure wish they would take it. (Instead of the same tired verbiage laced with religious overtones.)

489 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:39:22am

re: #477 turn

Hey, {turn}
Talked to my 60 year old laid off brother the other night. His unemployment runs out in a few weeks. He's hoping to be eligible for an extension. No job on the horizon for him. We talked about the irony of our father retiring at 60 and he's looking for a new career.

490 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:39:38am

re: #470 lazardo

Coming from a 21-year-old that often rains on peoples' parades, there's still the reservation that my contemporaries will try looking for something even more "radical" should Obama fail.

Morning zard, ha - they won't be able to find anybody!

491 opnion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:39:44am

re: #465 Kenneth

Obama taught constitutional law, as a lecturer, not a full professor, at the University of Chicago. I'm guessing it was a first year course.

In a radio interview back ion 2003/ he asserted the US Constitution was fatally flawed because it lacked a clause guaranteeing a minimum income for Americans. If Obama thinks such an amendment would improve the Constitution, then he has a vastly different understanding of the Constitution than the people who wrote it.


Obama sees things through the prisim of his past associations & bitterness.
He soaked in the lectures by far left academics & consorted with Communists like Frank Marshal Davis. In one of his memoirs he claims to have gravitated toward Marxists among others.
He harbors a racial grudge renouncing his White blood as a teen, "just like Malcom."
He is seriously flawed.

492 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:41:02am

re: #481 lazardo
Indeed - and HEY Y'ALL - about those Place Cards I linked to in my #474 above, y'all ought to read that, it's important!
WTF - pass a bill that has some provisions preserved for "future language to be inserted" AFTER the bill passes?
But it also make me wonder - were there any Place Cards in the Stimulus bill (you remember that one; where Obama, Pelosi and Reid - aka the Troika of Evil - PUSHED HARD to get it voted on because it was SO URGENT and the majority of the members of Congress did just exactly that - voted on it without having read it. And then President Obama - who was all over TV whipping up a frenzy of support for this urgently, desperately needed bill...took off for a three day weekend after Congress passed the bill, before he signed it into law.
This isn't the government of the United States of America, this is government by the Troika of Evil.

493 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:43:05am

re: #489 redstateredneck

Hey, {turn}
Talked to my 60 year old laid off brother the other night. His unemployment runs out in a few weeks. He's hoping to be eligible for an extension. No job on the horizon for him. We talked about the irony of our father retiring at 60 and he's looking for a new career.

{red} That's just pathetic, imagine what the hell is going to happen to my two boys. This really sucks.

494 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:43:14am

re: #490 turn

Obama was a relatively obscure "community organizer" way back when (emphasis on quotation marks). Fuck, I hadn't even heard of him in 2005! I'm sure if some guy could rise so quickly like that, then there's gotta be quite a few other 'potential subjects.'

495 albusteve  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:43:56am

re: #492 realwest

Indeed - and HEY Y'ALL - about those Place Cards I linked to in my #474 above, y'all ought to read that, it's important!
WTF - pass a bill that has some provisions preserved for "future language to be inserted" AFTER the bill passes?
But it also make me wonder - were there any Place Cards in the Stimulus bill (you remember that one; where Obama, Pelosi and Reid - aka the Troika of Evil - PUSHED HARD to get it voted on because it was SO URGENT and the majority of the members of Congress did just exactly that - voted on it without having read it. And then President Obama - who was all over TV whipping up a frenzy of support for this urgently, desperately needed bill...took off for a three day weekend after Congress passed the bill, before he signed it into law.
This isn't the government of the United States of America, this is government by the Troika of Evil.


and Stenny Hoyer laughing about the absurdity of actually reading a bill before a vote...the system is fatally flawed, and add to that the Troika and it is a recipe for disaster...which is unfolding as we speak

496 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:44:27am

re: #492 realwest

Yeah, I'm starting to think that it's a "padding" gap. There's nothing there, but they'll try to add something later, somehow, which makes me suspicious.

Oh, and did you check my #456?

497 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:45:04am

re: #483 KenJen

Good morning turn. They won't be able to disguise the truth much longer. People are starting to pay attention.

{jen} I know you are right, the truth will come out. It is entertaining to watch the MSM squirm to try and avoid it though.

498 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:45:12am

re: #485 3 wood
Hey good morning my friend! That story you told in #464 was great news for America - and hopefully bad news for the Troika of Evil. Smart daughter you've got there and I'd say a lot of what the "old man" has said over the years has accumulated into a starburst of intellectualism difficult for an 18 year old to exhibit!

499 KenJen  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:45:20am

re: #481 lazardo

Hotdamn. And these bills are supposed to be completely, publicly accessible.

Or is it because it was 1,500 pages, that they could try getting away with just that little bit of padding?

/will vote for whoever can stick a Rick Astley Day commemoration in a bill like that...

I bet they are saving it for Michael Jackson Memorial Day. It will be a federal holiday of course.

500 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:46:31am

re: #481 lazardo

Hotdamn. And these bills are supposed to be completely, publicly accessible.

Or is it because it was 1,500 pages, that they could try getting away with just that little bit of padding?

/will vote for whoever can stick a Rick Astley Day commemoration in a bill like that...

Well, you know, they're never gonna give it up, they're always gonna let you down...

501 justabill  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:46:45am

re: #492 realwest

If this passes, there needs to be a case brought to the Supreme Court quickly. Before Obama gets too many Justices appointed. This can't be constitutional...

502 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:46:47am

True unemployment rate already at 20%

Not to scare you, but the situation is actually worse than it seems. Over the years, the government has changed the way it counts the unemployed. An example of this is the criticized Birth-Death Model which was added in 2000. The model is designed to account for the birth and death of businesses and the resultant lag in survey data. Unfortunately, the model doesn't work that well during economic contractions (like we have now) and consistently overstates the number of jobs being created each month.

Great. Just.Freaking.Great.

*I need to stop checking my email, or else find some more optimistic friends.*

503 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:47:02am

re: #500 MrSilverDragon

Then they run around and desert you. It's awful, isn't it?

/ D:

504 KenJen  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:47:19am

re: #497 turn

{jen} I know you are right, the truth will come out. It is entertaining to watch the MSM squirm to try and avoid it though.

Awww turn. My first lizard hug. Felt as good as my first upding. Thanks.

505 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:47:23am

re: #447 soxfan4life

What's new in Cubbie land? Seems to be alot of talk here in Boston about the Sox making a trade for Halladay. What a rotation we would have then.

Better you than the damn Yankees. Of course, I would love to see him in Cincy.

506 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:47:57am

re: #495 albusteve
Yep, the arrogance of Hoyer and others is absolutley astounding! It really is and I can't think of any other way to put it: WE OWN THE GOVERNMENT, SCREW YOU!

507 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:48:08am

re: #503 lazardo

Then they run around and desert you. It's awful, isn't it?

/ D:

It's a shame when life is reflected in a horrible pop song.

A damn shame.

508 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:48:46am

Funny, Obama is striving for a national healthcare. Up here in our more conservative provinces the party in power is trying, and failing, to create a "pay for play" adjunct to our government run healthcare. It keeps failing, because "it would deprive the poor and needy" from more modern care. We only have one real system here and it sucks if you need it. A lot of care is deemed "necessary" and everyone is entitled to it.

509 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:49:00am

re: #459 freetoken

Yes, we have a very short time frame. Most people in the West think the problem of Afghanistan can be fixed in 5 years. It can't. And we don't have the determination to stick it out for another 10 years. We have to make some very hard choices about where we want Af'stan to be in 10 years time. It's not going to be a modern state, let alone a democracy. To reach the level of Pakistan is generations beyond what is possible. We need to set some realistic goals and then adjust our strategy to work toward those goals.

Decapitate the Al Qaeda leadership.
Incorporate the Pashtuns into Afghanistan political structure so as to deny the Taliban a cause.
Give the farmers something other than poppies to grow.
Pave a few roads.
Increase literacy.

That will be as much as we can handle. It will take the Afghans generations of hard work to get any further, and we can't take them there. They will have to get there on their own.

Here's the Big Problem: to reach any of those basic goals, Afghanistan will need a large modern army to provide security. But if we help them build up such an army, it will be the only modern institution in the country. The government will still be a corrupt, squabbling inter-tribal council. Sooner or later, the army will tire of the infighting and corruption and will take over the government. If democracy is one of our goals, and it should be, the very thing we need to get there, security provided by a strong Afghan army, will itself inevitably curtail democracy in Afghanistan.

510 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:49:09am

I'm going out to water the garden.

They haven't figured a way to stop that from growing.

Yet.

511 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:50:16am

re: #492 realwest

Indeed - and HEY Y'ALL - about those Place Cards I linked to in my #474 above, y'all ought to read that, it's important!
WTF - pass a bill that has some provisions preserved for "future language to be inserted" AFTER the bill passes?
...

But "Place cards" B.S. sound so nice. // The democrats really have a low opinion of the little people.

512 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:50:31am

re: #507 MrSilverDragon

Though it does bring a smile to my face when my perma-shuffle MP3 player suddenly pops that up. XD

513 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:51:58am

re: #512 lazardo

Though it does bring a smile to my face when my perma-shuffle MP3 player suddenly pops that up. XD

Well, the thought of someone "rickrolling" themselves... yes, that is pretty darn funny. :)

514 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:52:06am

re: #492 realwest

Morning real, I read MM's post. All I can say is if Barny Fwank is confident about something you can be pretty much be confident that it ain't going to turn out good.

515 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:52:17am

re: #496 lazardo Why yes I did - did y'all see my #467?

516 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:52:57am

re: #485 3 wood

It sounds like he wants to graft some of Marx's ideas into the Constitution. A guaranteed minimum income is pure socialism. If somebody had suggested that in Philadelphia, Ben Franklin would have reacted, "WTF is up with that? Are you serious?"

517 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:53:49am

re: #515 realwest

Oh, there it is. q8 Sorry.

518 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:53:57am

Rasmussen Polling Deteriorating for Obama

Down to 51% overall approval.

30% strongly approve of general performance
38% strongly disapprove

39% give good or excellent marks on handling of the economy
43% give poor marks

519 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:54:11am

re: #501 justabill

If this passes, there needs to be a case brought to the Supreme Court quickly. Before Obama gets too many Justices appointed. This can't be constitutional...

I agree that it is DISASTROUS, but I think since it's how the Congress chooses to run itself, it probably would pass constitutional muster - unless the after added language itself if unconstitutional.

520 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:54:41am

re: #509 Kenneth

Good analysis. Here's my take. Our democracy was successful because we wanted and were ready for the institutions that would secure it. Plus we did get some good foundational ideas from the British. Most of the Afghans want a dry clay house, some food, some water, and a good stick to push their goats around with. Whether or not we want them to be a democracy doesn't really matter if they don't give a crap about it.

521 SteveC  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:55:36am

In our sun-down perambulations, of late, through the outer parts of Brooklyn, we have observed several parties of youngsters playing "base", a certain game of ball...Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...this game of ball is glorious.
-- Walt Whitman

522 albusteve  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:55:40am

re: #519 realwest

I agree that it is DISASTROUS, but I think since it's how the Congress chooses to run itself, it probably would pass constitutional muster - unless the after added language itself if unconstitutional.

it's perfectly legal and been the rule for years...nothing new, just like earmarks (pork)

523 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:55:51am

re: #492 realwest


WTF - pass a bill that has some provisions preserved for "future language to be inserted" AFTER the bill passes?

Hi Real.
Yes. Why don't we just have the Dems vote on a pile of blank pages and another pile of blank checks. We can trust them. Hope and Change and Accountability in glorious age of the corrupt-o-crat. We must worship those who enslave us.

524 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:56:09am

re: #494 lazardo

Obama was a relatively obscure "community organizer" way back when (emphasis on quotation marks). Fuck, I hadn't even heard of him in 2005! I'm sure if some guy could rise so quickly like that, then there's gotta be quite a few other 'potential subjects.'

Maybe. I must admit, I didn't know squat about O until he gave that speech at the 2004 DNC. Actually he impressed me, today NOT.

525 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:57:07am

re: #518 Pianobuff

Hey 0bama moron, fix the economy.
***
Towercam, early morning sun on the trees on the San Gabriel Mountain's granite.

Good morning all,

BBL, this afternoon.

526 opnion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:57:11am

re: #518 Pianobuff

Rasmussen Polling Deteriorating for Obama

Down to 51% overall approval.

30% strongly approve of general performance
38% strongly disapprove

39% give good or excellent marks on handling of the economy
43% give poor marks


The 2010 Republican slogan should be "Restore Sanity."

527 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:57:38am

re: #508 BlueCanuck

A friend of mine is taking her child to a clinic in the US for treatment because they can't get the care they need here in Toronto. Not only are the services limited, and wait times long, they are also a decade or more behind the times.

528 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:57:40am

re: #502 razorbacker
Well my friend I hate to bring you down, but while I'm not sure about that 20%, I'd bet my own money (not that I really have any!) that the unemployment and UNDEREMPOYMENT rates combined are about 20% now. Ya know someone has a great job making say $85,000 a year and has to take a new one at $40,000 a year, he or she isn't unemployed but they sure as hell are underemployed and there is not test for that in the employment statistics. Just in the amount of proceeds the IRS gloms onto every year.

529 albusteve  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:57:41am

re: #523 FrogMarch

Hi Real.
Yes. Why don't we just have the Dems vote on a pile of blank pages and another pile of blank checks. We can trust them. Hope and Change and Accountability in glorious age of the corrupt-o-crat. We must worship those who enslave us.

heh...the feds are my worst enemy...
I hate the feds

530 SteveC  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:57:54am

re: #516 Kenneth

It sounds like he wants to graft some of Marx's ideas into the Constitution. A guaranteed minimum income is pure socialism. If somebody had suggested that in Philadelphia, Ben Franklin would have reacted, "WTF is up with that? Are you serious?"

Maybe he did - and the morality police decided that it would be best to leave it out, lest our kids learn how to say "What tha F***?" from the nation's kindly uncle!

531 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:57:57am

re: #502 razorbacker

True unemployment rate already at 20%

Great. Just.Freaking.Great.

*I need to stop checking my email, or else find some more optimistic friends.*

I was saying this the other day. If you include new graduates, consultants and contractors who can't find a new gig, and discouraged workers, it's got to be between 15 and 20%

532 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:58:35am

re: #525 Ojoe

Hey 0bama moron, fix the economy.
***
Towercam, early morning sun on the trees on the San Gabriel Mountain's granite.

Good morning all,

BBL, this afternoon.

Breathtaking. Simply beautiful. thanks.

533 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:58:59am

re: #526 opnion

The 2010 Republican slogan should be "Restore Sanity."

I'm starting to like "ctrl-Z".

534 opnion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:59:33am

re: #533 Pianobuff

I'm starting to like "ctrl-Z".

That would work.

535 albusteve  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 6:59:53am

re: #533 Pianobuff

I'm starting to like "ctrl-Z".

Delete the Donks!

536 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:00:16am

re: #504 KenJen

Awww turn. My first lizard hug. Felt as good as my first upding. Thanks.

No way! Well here, have another {jen} (I went for a long time here not even knowing what those funny bracket things even meant!)

537 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:01:44am

re: #502 razorbacker

Couldn't fine any better words - Great. Just.Freaking.Great.

538 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:01:54am

re: #528 realwest

Well my friend I hate to bring you down, but while I'm not sure about that 20%, I'd bet my own money (not that I really have any!) that the unemployment and UNDEREMPOYMENT rates combined are about 20% now. Ya know someone has a great job making say $85,000 a year and has to take a new one at $40,000 a year, he or she isn't unemployed but they sure as hell are underemployed and there is not test for that in the employment statistics. Just in the amount of proceeds the IRS gloms onto every year.

You make a very good point. My husband would probably take something that's 20-30% below what he was making, if he was even offered that. But it's hard to even get an offer that's below your previous skill and salary level because it's assumed you'll quit when things improve.

539 SteveC  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:01:56am

re: #527 Kenneth

A friend of mine is taking her child to a clinic in the US for treatment because they can't get the care they need here in Toronto. Not only are the services limited, and wait times long, they are also a decade or more behind the times.

Was reading on a medical blog last week that a Canadian had come to Buffalo for an MRI. The problem wasn't the cost or the wait.

The nearest MRI scanner is so far away, it's easier to jump the boarder and deal with the "broken" American system.

540 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:02:54am

re: #522 albusteve
Nothing new? Can y'all point me to a bill - say when the Repub's held control of Congress - 2001 or so - that had placecards in it?

541 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:03:15am

re: #535 albusteve

Delete the Donks!

A neighbor of mine is convinced that the way things are heading that a winning speech in 2010 will sound something like "You know all that stuff that was passed in the last two years. I'm gonna go to Washington and work on getting it all rolled back". He doesn't think any new programs/reform/etc need to be promised... just promise to hit the giant un-do button and you will get elected.

542 albusteve  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:04:43am

re: #540 realwest

Nothing new? Can y'all point me to a bill - say when the Repub's held control of Congress - 2001 or so - that had placecards in it?

it's the language...Congress writes it's own rules on procedure...that's what I meant

543 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:05:04am

Over half a million jobs a week are being lost.:


Initial jobless claims lowest since January


The number of initial claims in the week ending July 4 fell 52,000 to 565,000 - the lowest level since January - as the manufacturing layoffs, predominantly automotive, that had been expected have already occurred at some companies, according to the Labor Department. The department added that some seasonally expected layoffs may come later or not at all.

Analysts expect several more weeks of volatility in the claims data due to layoff-timing issues.

The four-week average of initial claims fell 10,000 to 606,000. The four-week average smoothes out distortions in the week-to-week data.

What they are missing in their positive spin is that there are a whole lot less people working now, so the base of jobs yet to be lost is smaller.

OK, so were are still losing about 606,000 jobs a week on average, despite the Miessiah getting everything he wants. So how is that job creation thing working out?

For the week ending June 27, the number of Americans receiving state jobless benefits rose 159,000 to a record 6.88 million, more than double the level during the same period in the prior year. The four-week moving average of these continuing claims rose 12,000 to a record 6.77 million..

So what does that mean?

Further, another 2.5 million are collecting extended federal benefits, which kick in once a person has exhausted eligibility for the state checks, usually after six months.

The insured unemployment rate, which represents the portion of all workers covered by unemployment insurance who are collecting benefits, rose to 5.1% from 5%.

It means new jobs are not being created at a rate fast enough to make a difference. People are exhausting their unemployment benefits. The economy is still contracting.

So how is that hope and change working out for you?

Had enough yet?

Is Mandy around?

544 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:05:05am

re: #508 BlueCanuck

Morning Blue, I don't normally listen to talk radio but happened to be running an errand yesterday when Tom Sullivan was on. He mentioned a lot of businesses that operate in both Canada and the US are shifting their headquarters to Canada because in a couple of years the tax rate on them there will be about one half of what it will be in the US. We are so screwed.

545 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:05:48am

{reine} {doppelgang}

Mah scrabble sistahs! Good morning, y'all.
:D

546 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:06:32am

re: #487 turn

Thank you kind Sir. I have 3 daughters, all hard working and clear headed.

I am truly blessed.

547 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:07:30am

re: #546 3 wood

Thank you kind Sir. I have 3 daughters, all hard working and clear headed.

I am truly blessed.

I've got one hardworking and one in college. Just hope she can find a job after graduation.

548 albusteve  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:07:39am

re: #541 Pianobuff

A neighbor of mine is convinced that the way things are heading that a winning speech in 2010 will sound something like "You know all that stuff that was passed in the last two years. I'm gonna go to Washington and work on getting it all rolled back". He doesn't think any new programs/reform/etc need to be promised... just promise to hit the giant un-do button and you will get elected.

well so far he's right that it can all be undone...but it becomes very expensive even to do that...new bills can rescind previous bills

549 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:07:41am

re: #526 opnion

The 2010 Republican slogan should be "Restore Sanity."

No more corrupt-o-crats. Barney Frank should be attacked endlessly for his absolutely breath-taking economic stupidity.

"Drain Nancy Pelosi's corrupt swamp."

550 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:08:41am

re: #520 CommonCents
and a good stick to push their goats around with

Now that was funny ...

551 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:08:55am

re: #545 redstateredneck

{reine} {doppelgang}

Mah scrabble sistahs! Good morning, y'all.
:D

Mornin' redstate! Mornin' reine!

552 justabill  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:08:58am

re: #533 Pianobuff

I'm starting to like "ctrl-Z".

We need a full reset. After all if we can have one with the Russians, how about with the last election...

553 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:09:00am

re: #546 3 wood

Thank you kind Sir. I have 3 daughters, all hard working and clear headed.

I am truly blessed.

Right on!

554 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:09:12am

re: #530 SteveC

Maybe he did - and the morality police decided that it would be best to leave it out, lest our kids learn how to say "What tha F***?" from the nation's kindly uncle!

You mean the kindly uncle who taught us to Fart Proudly? :-)

555 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:10:09am

re: #520 CommonCents

The colonists in 1776 were centuries more advanced culturally than most of Afghanistan. They are like pre-Roman Briton. Except they have cell phones and AK's. The problem is, we can't allow Al Qaeda to set up shop there again. And we can't allow Al -Qaeda to take over Pakistan and get their hands on nukes.

I'm beginning to suspect Obama realizes this. That's why he left Petraeus in change of Central Command and gave Afghanistan command to McChrystal. MCChrystal is a special forces expert. He will hunt down the Al Qaeda leadership and wipe them out. That's why the Predator missile strikes are continuing strong. Petraeus will push the Afghani gov't to accepting Pashtuns in government, and sign up Afghan youth in a Sons of Afghanistan style militia and thereby neuter the Taliban. Sure the Taliban are nasty thugs, but without Al Qaeda, they pose no threat to the US or the region.

The goal is to have Bin Laden & Zawahiri dead, the Afghan gov't more broadly based and a growing Afghan army to provide security. Then NATO can pull way back, leaving a few thousand troops for training. Obama can spin that as victory. To be honest, it may not be much of a victory, but it's as close as we will get anyway.

556 SteveC  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:10:52am

re: #554 CIA Reject

You mean the kindly uncle who taught us to Fart Proudly? :-)

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - B. Franklin

557 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:11:35am

re: #522 albusteve

it's perfectly legal and been the rule for years...nothing new, just like earmarks (pork)

I didn't know that. Make up the rules as they go along, oh great.

558 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:11:47am

re: #556 SteveC

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - B. Franklin

A truly wise man he was!

559 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:11:55am

*Cruel, needless taunting. I'm not actually saying 'nyah, nyah' but the phrase may apply.*

I've got breakfast here. A garden-fresh tomato sliced thin with the faintest hint of coarse-ground sea salt. A little dab of mayo. Two thick-sliced pieces of bacon. All assembled on two slices of fresh, homemade bread.

Life ain't bad. Not bad at all.

560 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:11:56am

re: #556 SteveC

Does that make tea the drink of the devil? q;

561 albusteve  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:12:27am

re: #549 FrogMarch

No more corrupt-o-crats. Barney Frank should be attacked endlessly for his absolutely breath-taking economic stupidity.

"Drain Nancy Pelosi's corrupt swamp."

once again, the message or the principles never change...it's in the delivery...how do you wake up voters and get them to listen, the ageless problem for the GOP...this time they may be handed a gift...the donks appear to be self destructing, which solves the problem...the GOP still needs formidable leadership tho and it ain't gonna be no Reagan again

562 opnion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:12:35am

re: #549 FrogMarch

No more corrupt-o-crats. Barney Frank should be attacked endlessly for his absolutely breath-taking economic stupidity.

"Drain Nancy Pelosi's corrupt swamp."

Franks is actually one of the more despicable reps, but if he is attacked on the merits you know that it would be cast as homophobic.
Only the Palins are to be mauled with no sense of decency.

563 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:12:37am

re: #525 Ojoe

wow, that's a stunning view today.

564 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:12:46am

re: #554 CIA Reject

You mean the kindly uncle who taught us to Fart Proudly? :-)

That calls for a review of Fart Psych 101. The Fart Chart.

565 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:13:10am

re: #495 albusteve

and Stenny Hoyer laughing about the absurdity of actually reading a bill before a vote...the system is fatally flawed, and add to that the Troika and it is a recipe for disaster...which is unfolding as we speak

Some years ago when I worked in the public sector, if you called to the State Capital in Springfield, Illinois and asked for details on certain legislation dealing with cell phones and interstate vs intrastate taxes, they would have given you my name and phone number and told you to call me.

That's cause I was the only person they knew of who had actually read the legislation and knew what was in it. They openly admitted this. And no, I was not a legislator nor a lobbyist and I did not write the legislation either.

566 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:13:16am

re: #538 doppelganglander

You make a very good point. My husband would probably take something that's 20-30% below what he was making, if he was even offered that. But it's hard to even get an offer that's below your previous skill and salary level because it's assumed you'll quit when things improve.


Indeed, and while I don't want to start a fight here, if you're a white, heterosexual male over the age of 50 or 55, good damn luck finding any job other than flipping burgers somewhere.
Obama is succeeding in bringing America DOWN to the levels of Third World Countries - we won't be able to eat as much as we want nor to heat/cool our homes to temps we like/need and as for Health care, as BAD as it can be now, at least someone who is older and has a life threatening disease can still get treatment pretty damn quickly even if that person is not very "socially productive" in a societal sense.
And it KILLS ME because so many brave Americans have fought, given their lives or their physical or mental health to defend our great nation and the fucking Community Organizer comes along, with the MSM in his (back) pocket at JUST THE RIGHT TIME economically and is now making a mockery of all the dedication, efforts and sacrifices of Americans since our founding as a Nation.

567 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:13:42am

re: #465 Kenneth

Obama taught constitutional law, as a lecturer, not a full professor, at the University of Chicago. I'm guessing it was a first year course.

In a radio interview back ion 2003/ he asserted the US Constitution was fatally flawed because it lacked a clause guaranteeing a minimum income for Americans. If Obama thinks such an amendment would improve the Constitution, then he has a vastly different understanding of the Constitution than the people who wrote it.

o has never had a real job. he has no idea what it takes to run a business. making payroll, making the rent, paying the utilities, buying supplies, all the taxes on top of taxes.
he is a gov't worker from day one w/ an ideology of expanding gov't as much as possible to acquire more power and more of our money. he thinks he knows how to spend it better than we do.
does the fool think that the rest of us who actually work to support deadbeats like him, are going to go on forever as slaves of the state? it becomes involuntary servitude at some point. that's when people will decide it is not worth it. they will quit.
it will become unconscionable that someone like o has decided that too much of our money will be seized and given to others. his constituents, cronies, friends, assholes.

568 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:13:43am

re: #559 razorbacker

*Cruel, needless taunting. I'm not actually saying 'nyah, nyah' but the phrase may apply.*

I've got breakfast here. A garden-fresh tomato sliced thin with the faintest hint of coarse-ground sea salt. A little dab of mayo. Two thick-sliced pieces of bacon. All assembled on two slices of fresh, homemade bread.

Life ain't bad. Not bad at all.

I just had a little saliva spurt reading that description.

569 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:13:52am

re: #562 opnion

Thus provides an interesting media twist... if Obama falls out of favor with the electorate, they can say that "he was a star that rose to fast" AND make it seem 'bipartisan' given what happened with Sarah Palin to 'balance things out.'

570 Dahveed  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:14:15am

Laura Ling telephones sister from North Korea.

Laura Ling "was very specific about the message she was communicating and she said, 'look, we violated North Korean law and we need our government to help us. We're sorry about everything that happened but now we need diplomacy," Lisa Ling told KOVR.

If Laura Ling is waiting for this government to help her, she will be waiting the full twelve years. Right now this government is acting like deers in the headlights in foreign affairs.

571 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:14:32am

re: #498 realwest

Thank you real.

Sorry to hear that your dental work is bothering you.

I hope your Mom is doing well.

572 lazardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:14:56am

re: #568 redstateredneck

Kinky.

/oh wait, you meant saliva. q;

573 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:15:12am

re: #543 3 wood

Good point!

What they are missing in their positive spin is that there are a whole lot less people working now, so the base of jobs yet to be lost is smaller.

So when they point to the slowing rate of jobloss and say that we are starting to turn the corner, in fact they are blowing smoke. The rate of increase in unemployment is due to the shrinking pool of people that can be let go. For now. It's not due to any improvement in the economy.

574 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:15:17am

re: #564 redstateredneck

That calls for a review of Fart Psych 101. The Fart Chart.

LOL!

And of course there is always that one, eternal, desperate question:

"Do farts have lumps?"

575 SteveC  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:16:20am

re: #558 CIA Reject

A truly wise man he was!

Ol' Ben used to get Nekked, open the windows of his room, and take an air bath every day. Usually while having a glass of Funky Cold Medina!

576 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:16:32am

re: #566 realwest

if you're a white, heterosexual male over the age of 50 or 55, good damn luck finding any job other than flipping burgers somewhere.


My 60 yr. old unemployed brother was all excited because a new restaurant was being built in his town and he might could get a job as a waiter.

577 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:16:33am

re: #570 Dahveed

Did you see the post regarding the wonder wall of Arabia I put under your lament regarding UN efforts against the Israeli wall yesterday?

If not, go look.

578 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:17:21am

re: #572 lazardo

Kinky.

/oh wait, you meant saliva. q;

You the kinky one.
;-)

579 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:17:32am

re: #505 CommonCents

Of course, I would love to see him in Cincy.

Playing for Dusty Baker?


I wouldn't wish that on Avanti or Iceweasle.

580 albusteve  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:17:36am

re: #574 CIA Reject

LOL!

And of course there is always that one, eternal, desperate question:

"Do farts have lumps?"

when they do, your in trouble

581 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:17:49am

re: #566 realwest

Indeed, and while I don't want to start a fight here, if you're a white, heterosexual male over the age of 50 or 55, good damn luck finding any job other than flipping burgers somewhere.
Obama is succeeding in bringing America DOWN to the levels of Third World Countries - we won't be able to eat as much as we want nor to heat/cool our homes to temps we like/need and as for Health care, as BAD as it can be now, at least someone who is older and has a life threatening disease can still get treatment pretty damn quickly even if that person is not very "socially productive" in a societal sense.
And it KILLS ME because so many brave Americans have fought, given their lives or their physical or mental health to defend our great nation and the fucking Community Organizer comes along, with the MSM in his (back) pocket at JUST THE RIGHT TIME economically and is now making a mockery of all the dedication, efforts and sacrifices of Americans since our founding as a Nation.

One hundred percent CORRECT-O-MUNDO...

From me, many times said here on LGF, a programmer of 30 years who has not been able to find a full time information technology job in the last 5 years.

582 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:17:59am

re: #542 albusteve
Ah, sorry for the misunderstanding, but I'd never ever heard of Place Cards before the Democrats owned Congress and seated that well known statesman who has donated SO MUCH of his life to helping others,
Senator Al Franken (D-Stupid).
Objectively (well as objective as I can be anyway) this is perhaps the dumbest and most malleable to the leadership Congress I've ever seen in my life. My God, these people are not only voting on hundreds of billions of dollars in legislation that they've never read, but they admit to doing so!

583 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:18:08am

re: #574 CIA Reject

LOL!

And of course there is always that one, eternal, desperate question:

"Do farts have lumps?"

If it has lumps, it's something else.

584 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:18:08am

re: #555 Kenneth

Hey kenneth, don't you think Bin Laden is already dead?

585 SteveC  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:19:05am

re: #579 3 wood

Playing for Dusty Baker?

I wouldn't wish that on Avanti or Iceweasle.

Brent Gates of the Oakland A's heard his teammates talking before Dennis Eckersley recorded his 300th save and asked: "Do you think they'll stop the game for it?"

*God Help Us*

586 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:19:21am

re: #559 razorbacker

Dang, can I have a bite? yum yum

587 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:20:06am

re: #567 nyc redneck

o has never had a real job.

Not only is it his first management level position, but by the time Obama finishes his first term as POTUS, he will have successfully held down the longest full time job of his career.

Think about it.

588 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:20:10am

re: #582 realwest

Ah, sorry for the misunderstanding, but I'd never ever heard of Place Cards before the Democrats owned Congress and seated that well known statesman who has donated SO MUCH of his life to helping others,
Senator Al Franken (D-Stupid).
Objectively (well as objective as I can be anyway) this is perhaps the dumbest and most malleable to the leadership Congress I've ever seen in my life. My God, these people are not only voting on hundreds of billions of dollars in legislation that they've never read, but they admit to doing so!

Hahaha...we won! Fuckers.

589 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:20:17am

What sort of face is our President making here?

590 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:20:45am

re: #574 CIA Reject

I greatly prefer a boob thread to a fart thread.

Just saying.

591 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:21:10am

re: #538 doppelganglander

You make a very good point. My husband would probably take something that's 20-30% below what he was making, if he was even offered that. But it's hard to even get an offer that's below your previous skill and salary level because it's assumed you'll quit when things improve.

Back in 1994 I left a job on which I paid taxes of $106K/yr. I left because I was sick of being accountable for that over which I had no control, and I saw a window to leave with a really nice severance package.

Moved back to Arkansas and heard 'you'll just quit when you find another high-paying job' so often that I developed a stock response, "This is Arkansas. I love it, I'm not leaving, and there aren't high-paying jobs here."

Wasn't that successful, but I did get a job.

592 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:21:11am

re: #589 VioletTiger

What sort of face is our President making here?

smug

593 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:21:27am

re: #589 VioletTiger

What sort of face is our President making here?

Guess what, the stool softener just kicked in!

594 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:21:35am

re: #589 VioletTiger

What sort of face is our President making here?

Bill Cosby impression?

595 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:21:37am

re: #547 redstateredneck

I've got one hardworking and one in college. Just hope she can find a job after graduation.

One of ours is out of college, one in her last year and one just starting.

Part of our deal with them is we will pay for college given certain conditions and one of those conditions is they work too while in college.

Which beats the deal I got from my parents, which was my choice of a "Best Wishes" or a "Good Luck".

596 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:21:41am

re: #590 Kenneth

I greatly prefer a boob thread to a fart thread.

Just saying.

I didn't start it...I just went with the flow.

597 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:22:07am

re: #586 turn

Dang, can I have a bite? yum yum

Here. I'll hold it up to the monitor. Don't slobber. I hate that.

598 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:22:21am

re: #566 realwest

Indeed, and while I don't want to start a fight here, if you're a white, heterosexual male over the age of 50 or 55, good damn luck finding any job other than flipping burgers somewhere.
Obama is succeeding in bringing America DOWN to the levels of Third World Countries - we won't be able to eat as much as we want nor to heat/cool our homes to temps we like/need and as for Health care, as BAD as it can be now, at least someone who is older and has a life threatening disease can still get treatment pretty damn quickly even if that person is not very "socially productive" in a societal sense.
And it KILLS ME because so many brave Americans have fought, given their lives or their physical or mental health to defend our great nation and the fucking Community Organizer comes along, with the MSM in his (back) pocket at JUST THE RIGHT TIME economically and is now making a mockery of all the dedication, efforts and sacrifices of Americans since our founding as a Nation.

No argument here. We are in our mid-forties and he suspects there is some age discrimination going on. He recently revised his resume to only list the last 11 or 12 years of employment. The only reason we still have health insurance is because we qualified for a subsidy of our COBRA payments. That runs out in November. If he's not working by then, I have no idea where we're going to get over $800 a month to pay it. We both have pre-existing conditions and take several medications - nothing too serious, but enough to cause us problems if our coverage lapses and we become subject to a waiting period.

599 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:22:23am

re: #545 redstateredneck

{reine} {doppelgang}

Mah scrabble sistahs! Good morning, y'all.
:D

good morning!
I am pulling for Doppelganglander to win this one.
She's got a good lead.
(sorry, VX)

600 albusteve  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:22:27am

re: #582 realwest

Ah, sorry for the misunderstanding, but I'd never ever heard of Place Cards before the Democrats owned Congress and seated that well known statesman who has donated SO MUCH of his life to helping others,
Senator Al Franken (D-Stupid).
Objectively (well as objective as I can be anyway) this is perhaps the dumbest and most malleable to the leadership Congress I've ever seen in my life. My God, these people are not only voting on hundreds of billions of dollars in legislation that they've never read, but they admit to doing so!

I'm a total and complete cynic when it comes to the feds...nothing surprises me...lawmakers and their lobbyist cronies and interests groups are the scum of the earth...I hate to keep saying it but the feds are our worst nightmare

601 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:22:28am

re: #574 CIA Reject

LOL!

And of course there is always that one, eternal, desperate question:

"Do farts have lumps?"

My flight instructor used that line on me once...

602 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:22:37am

re: #584 turn

Yes, I do. But that won't prevent the One from declaring He got him.

603 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:22:54am

re: #595 3 wood

One of ours is out of college, one in her last year and one just starting.

Part of our deal with them is we will pay for college given certain conditions and one of those conditions is they work too while in college.

Which beats the deal I got from my parents, which was my choice of a "Best Wishes" or a "Good Luck".


Yeah...we pay for the Bachelors degree. You earn your spending money.

604 badger1970  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:22:54am

re: #585 SteveC

He who laughs last, just didn't get the joke. *shamelessly admitting to rereading it three times to get it*

605 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:22:55am

re: #580 albusteve

when they do, your in trouble

After a certain age, one learns not to trust farts.

606 KenJen  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:22:56am

re: #589 VioletTiger

What sort of face is our President making here?

"I shouldn't have eaten that burrito."

607 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:23:00am

re: #571 3 wood
You're more than welcome and it was heartfelt and well deserved for you.
Mom's doing ok and I will be too one of these days!
Sounds as if you and yours are doing well, too and I sure hope that's the case!

608 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:23:33am

re: #601 BlueCanuck

My flight instructor used that line on me once...

I heard it as...

"Are farts lumpy?"

609 MJ  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:23:36am

US to give ("peaceful") nukes to an Arab country:

Agreement for Cooperation Between the Government of the United States of America and the Government of the United Arab Emirates Concerning Peaceful Uses of Nuclear Energy

[Link: www.state.gov...]

610 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:23:49am

re: #593 Walter L. Newton

Coffee spew! You owe me a new keyboard, dude.

I 'd like to give you 100 updings and an equal number of down dings for that.

611 opnion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:24:20am

re: #589 VioletTiger

What sort of face is our President making here?


His expression looks like, "All I get is this crappy tee shirt?"

612 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:24:28am

re: #590 Kenneth

I greatly prefer a boob thread to a fart thread.

Just saying.

Point taken- but considering we were talking about the economy it just naturally developed that way.

If we were talking about Congress then I'm sure the subject of boobs would have come up much sooner...

613 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:24:40am

re: #599 reine.de.tout

good morning!
I am pulling for Doppelganglander to win this one.
She's got a good lead.
(sorry, VX)

Yep...Dop's been kicking ass since the beginning; even after having to sit out her first turn for no vowels. The scrabble gods have smiled on her. Apparently, I've pissed them off.

614 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:25:01am

re: #597 razorbacker

Here. I'll hold it up to the monitor. Don't slobber. I hate that.

Not enough pepper, but pretty dang good.

615 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:25:13am

re: #610 Kenneth

Coffee spew! You owe me a new keyboard, dude.

I 'd like to give you 100 updings and an equal number of down dings for that.

Funny bone stimulus brought to you by the Newton administration. Thanks.

616 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:25:48am

re: #573 Kenneth

Good point!


So when they point to the slowing rate of jobloss and say that we are starting to turn the corner, in fact they are blowing smoke. The rate of increase in unemployment is due to the shrinking pool of people that can be let go. For now. It's not due to any improvement in the economy.

Good morning Kenneth - I hope all is well with you and yours today.
And yes, UNLESS THE ECONOMY GROWS we are FUCKED. Period. Just like EVERY socialist government, we will fail because the number of producers will fall below the number of takers. And watch out for booming inflation - coming to an American neighborhood near you any day now!

617 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:25:58am

re: #615 Walter L. Newton

Funny bone stimulus brought to you by the Newton administration. Thanks.

MOTTO

An apple in every pot!

618 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:26:33am

re: #613 redstateredneck

Yep...Dop's been kicking ass since the beginning; even after having to sit out her first turn for no vowels. The scrabble gods have smiled on her. Apparently, I've pissed them off.

You and reine are too sweet. I'm ashamed to admit that the last few weeks have been so rough for me in other areas, I really kind of need the ego boost of winning a stupid Scrabble game. That does NOT mean you shouldn't play your best and try to kick my ass! I am lucky to have friends like you two, vx, and all my other lizard peeps.

619 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:26:43am

BBIAB

620 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:26:55am

re: #576 redstateredneck

My 60 yr. old unemployed brother was all excited because a new restaurant was being built in his town and he might could get a job as a waiter.


I hate to say this {red} but stories like that make me want to cry or fight or both.

621 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:27:02am

re: #616 realwest

UNLESS THE ECONOMY GROWS we are FUCKED

We're also fucked IF the economy grows. Will mean a sure win for Obama come 2012!

622 albusteve  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:27:03am

re: #605 razorbacker

After a certain age, one learns not to trust farts.

when I see those seven packs of briefs on sale I always grab a couple...breaking wind has a whole new meaning after a certain point

623 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:27:20am

re: #593 Walter L. Newton

Guess what, the stool softener just kicked in!


lol
But he's still full of $hit! Go figure.

624 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:27:27am

re: #615 Walter L. Newton

Thanks. By the way, I just love those little fig cookies you invented.

625 Dahveed  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:27:40am

re: #577 razorbacker

Did you see the post regarding the wonder wall of Arabia I put under your lament regarding UN efforts against the Israeli wall yesterday?

If not, go look.

I did see that. Apparently the High Commissioner For Human Rights has only a problem with Israeli-built walls. I'm surprised that she didn't criticize Israel for being protected by the Mediterranean.

626 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:27:46am

re: #617 sattv4u2

MOTTO

An apple in every pot!

Wouldn't that be "An apple on every head?"... oh wait, that sounds a bit more William Tell, actually.

627 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:27:47am

re: #601 BlueCanuck

My flight instructor used that line on me once...


I hope you weren't in flight at the time :-)

I first heard it from a guy who ah, ventilated (yeah, that's the ticket...) so loudly that it prompted somebody to ask him "are you OK?" His response was: "that depends..."

628 laZardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:27:59am

re: #589 VioletTiger

A "thanks for rubbing it in that you beat us in the FIFA Confederations Cup" face.

629 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:28:36am

re: #617 sattv4u2

Hey Sat ... I've been trying to get my email issue resolved so I can contact you through your blue nic. It's driving me crazy. I take my email straight from the comcast email server, so I do not use microsoft outlook at home. Maybe I will be able to do it from work tonight. Just didn't want you to think I was blowing you off.

630 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:29:27am

re: #629 _RememberTonyC

Hey Sat ... I've been trying to get my email issue resolved so I can contact you through your blue nic. It's driving me crazy. I take my email straight from the comcast email server, so I do not use microsoft outlook at home. Maybe I will be able to do it from work tonight. Just didn't want you to think I was blowing you off.

no problem. Here, let me try to hit you up from this end , BRB

631 opnion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:29:36am

re: #623 VioletTiger

lol
But he's still full of $hit! Go figure.

So full he has to plug his ears to stop the drip.

632 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:29:46am

Victor Davis Hanson on S. Palin and her detractors:

[Link: www.victorhanson.com...]

He is a national treasure ...

633 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:29:52am

re: #599 reine.de.tout

good morning!
I am pulling for Doppelganglander to win this one.
She's got a good lead.
(sorry, VX)

Morning reine. Well needless to say turn pretty much sucks at scrabble but my neighbor wes from tex (an engineer too) is even worse. We were playing one time and consuming mass quantities of beer and he ended up spelling a word upside down and backwards after yacking for about 20 minutes - hell I let him get away with it because I didn't want to wait another 20 minutes. ha

634 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:30:06am

re: #629 _RememberTonyC

re: #630 sattv4u2

no problem. Here, let me try to hit you up from this end , BRB

OOOPSSS , thata tain't your e-mail addy!

635 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:30:30am

re: #632 _RememberTonyC

Victor Davis Hanson on S. Palin and her detractors:

[Link: www.victorhanson.com...]

He is a national treasure ...

So is she, IMHO

636 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:30:52am

re: #581 Walter L. Newton

From me, many times said here on LGF, a programmer of 30 years who has not been able to find a full time information technology job in the last 5 years.

Once you hit the big 50 and are a white male, you tend to become invisible in the job market.

A friend of mine went from being an executive at a fortune 500 company to selling paint at a big box.

637 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:31:32am

re: #618 doppelganglander

You and reine are too sweet. I'm ashamed to admit that the last few weeks have been so rough for me in other areas, I really kind of need the ego boost of winning a stupid Scrabble game. That does NOT mean you shouldn't play your best and try to kick my ass! I am lucky to have friends like you two, vx, and all my other lizard peeps.

{doppel}
Sorry to hear you've had a rough patch.
And if you can beat VX, it would indeed be an ego boost!

638 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:31:42am

re: #595 3 wood

One of ours is out of college, one in her last year and one just starting.

Part of our deal with them is we will pay for college given certain conditions and one of those conditions is they work too while in college.

Which beats the deal I got from my parents, which was my choice of a "Best Wishes" or a "Good Luck".


Well in your case, due to your own efforts, it worked out quite well, I'd say. Course, for you the word "work" isn't frightening at all. Not so sure of the youngest generations of today who feel ENTITLED to everything YOU and others of us out here worked our ASSES OFF to get.

639 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:32:18am

re: #618 doppelganglander

You and reine are too sweet. I'm ashamed to admit that the last few weeks have been so rough for me in other areas, I really kind of need the ego boost of winning a stupid Scrabble game. That does NOT mean you shouldn't play your best and try to kick my ass! I am lucky to have friends like you two, vx, and all my other lizard peeps.

Oh, honey, we love ya' but this is cut-throat scrabble. If we could win, we would!

640 ladycatnip  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:32:52am

Isn't this interesting. And of course they're saying they don't know if this is a hate crime. Unbelievable.

It came after a family night of celebrating America and freedom with a fireworks show at Firestone Stadium. Marshall, his family and two friends were gathered outside a friend's home in South Akron.

Out of nowhere, the six were attacked by dozens of teenage boys, who shouted ''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' as they confronted Marshall and his family.

The Marshalls, who are white, say the crowd of teens who attacked them and two friends June 27 on Girard Street numbered close to 50. The teens were all black...

Marshall was the most seriously injured. He suffered a concussion and multiple bruises to his head and eye. He said he spent five nights in the critical care unit at Akron General Medical Center.

The writer of this didn't fact-check it?

641 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:33:20am

re: #543 3 wood

Oh, but I just read somewhere that Obama's taking credit for creating 150,000 jobs. Too bad the economy keeps shedding multiples of that amount. Each week.

This administration is clueless about the economy. For those who thought that Bush's grasp of the economy was bad, this is several magnitudes worse. And that's part of the problem. The businesses in the private sector see the Administration's actions and aren't going to expand their businesses or take on new employees because they see a muddled mess and the tax and spend schemes on the horizon that would further sap their bottom lines.

So, they're sitting on the sidelines and it only adds to the malaise.

642 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:33:28am

re: #634 sattv4u2

re: #630 sattv4u2


OOOPSSS , thata tain't your e-mail addy!

I'll be at work from 5:00pm until appx 2:00am EDT tonight ... we run Outlook at work, so maybe I will be able to hit your nic tonight. If not, we'll figure something out.

643 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:33:40am

re: #602 Kenneth

Yes, I do. But that won't prevent the One from declaring He got him.

No doubt about that. It's going to be a bit enjoyable to watch his ratings continue to crumble. Watching the US crumble under his administration, not so much.

644 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:33:50am

re: #625 Dahveed

I loved the part in the article where they said that the Fraudis know that the Israeli wall works better, but due to politics they can't ask the Jews for help.

645 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:34:00am

re: #633 turn

Morning reine. Well needless to say turn pretty much sucks at scrabble but my neighbor wes from tex (an engineer too) is even worse. We were playing one time and consuming mass quantities of beer and he ended up spelling a word upside down and backwards after yacking for about 20 minutes - hell I let him get away with it because I didn't want to wait another 20 minutes. ha

LOL.
I can just imagine a drunken scrabble game.

The Roi doesn't need to be drunk to come up with some of the weirdest things I've ever seen. I think he just hopes they are real words, because he comes up with things never before known to mankind. Plus he can't spell; and I finally learned I should stop serving as his personal dictionary, just let him play and challenge the word.

646 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:34:06am

re: #620 realwest

I hate to say this {red} but stories like that make me want to cry or fight or both.

You know, none of us ever visualized this. Every generation has had it better than the preceding one. That just may not be the case any more. And this in a country that has the richest resources and the most determined spirit of it's citizens. Sad, sad, sad.

647 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:34:25am

re: #616 realwest

Gordon Brown told the G8 that the second wave is about to hit the economy. That's when the effect of all the job losses so far starts the knock-on effect. Businesses that relied on sales to people who are now unemployed, and to businesses that have cut back on orders, are starting to hurt. The second wave of lay-offs are coming.

And then the inflation, which will wipe out the saving people are hoping to rely on to get them through the next while.

648 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:34:37am

Mornin' scaly ones. This might be the best newspaper cover story headline ever. And it almost sounds like the title of a country song:

[Link: www.washingtoncitypaper.com...]

649 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:34:45am

re: #642 _RememberTonyC

I'll be at work from 5:00pm until appx 2:00am EDT tonight ... we run Outlook at work, so maybe I will be able to hit your nic tonight. If not, we'll figure something out.

Great. I'm at work now and will be here (and on LGF) until 18:00

650 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:35:03am

re: #635 sattv4u2

So is she, IMHO


VDH has some excellent advice for Palin in that column. If she follows some of it, she will be able to bolster her stature and become a more serious national player.

651 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:35:17am

re: #622 albusteve

when I see those seven packs of briefs on sale I always grab a couple...breaking wind has a whole new meaning after a certain point

Lord, you sound like mrhightechredneck. He's always got spare briefs!

652 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:36:06am

re: #598 doppelganglander

No argument here. We are in our mid-forties and he suspects there is some age discrimination going on. He recently revised his resume to only list the last 11 or 12 years of employment. The only reason we still have health insurance is because we qualified for a subsidy of our COBRA payments. That runs out in November. If he's not working by then, I have no idea where we're going to get over $800 a month to pay it. We both have pre-existing conditions and take several medications - nothing too serious, but enough to cause us problems if our coverage lapses and we become subject to a waiting period.


Well I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but the reality of my life is that I'm on SSDI cause my cancer and meds won't allow me to hold down a job (I sleep a helluva lot, can't help it, it's mostly medicinally induced) but because I'm on SSDI I also get the "chance" to be on Medicare and that is costing me MORE than when I was on COBRA - $397 a month in premiums (including $100 a month to medicare itself) plus a yearly total of $4,700 to cover my own prescription meds. COBRA - not including copayments - was costing me a flat $525 a month; you do the math.

653 ladycatnip  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:37:28am

#641 lawhawk

This administration is clueless about the economy.

Just read on Drudge that Michelle was carrying a $6,000.00 purse in Russia.

WH is denying it - saying it only cost $895.00 - such a deal!

654 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:37:56am

re: #647 Kenneth

And then the inflation, which will wipe out the saving people are hoping to rely on to get them through the next while.

More ammo for Paulestinians to howl about the Fed and rant about putting us back on the Gold Standard. The uniformed might be duped into thinking this will somehow save us.

I don't want to see 3 or 4 Ron Pauls running for the GOP nomination in 2012.

655 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:38:05am

As Iran police disperse pro-reformists there is No Muslim outcry over battered Uighurs nor the plight of the Iranian's.

Strange, huh? /

So what's happening with MJ & Palin these days?

656 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:38:19am

re: #645 reine.de.tout

LOL.
I can just imagine a drunken scrabble game.

The Roi doesn't need to be drunk to come up with some of the weirdest things I've ever seen. I think he just hopes they are real words, because he comes up with things never before known to mankind. Plus he can't spell; and I finally learned I should stop serving as his personal dictionary, just let him play and challenge the word.

haha! Is Roi your hubby?

657 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:38:19am

re: #653 ladycatnip

#641 lawhawk

Just read on Drudge that Michelle was carrying a $6,000.00 purse in Russia.

WH is denying it - saying it only cost $895.00 - such a deal!

Factoring in inflation, by the time Michelle comes back, it'll cost $6,000.

658 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:39:35am

re: #653 ladycatnip

#641 lawhawk


Just read on Drudge that Michelle was carrying a $6,000.00 purse in Russia.

WH is denying it - saying it only cost $895.00 - such a deal!

Alligator! Call PETA, quick!

659 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:40:00am

re: #464 3 wood

FWIW, I just had a very interesting conversation with my 18 year old about the political scene.

She told me that she is seeing a big change in the last month or so in her age group, with a big swing towards more anti-Obama sentiment. She said most of them were buying the Hope and change garbage and cheering last winter. But now that they are facing the real world, either trying to go to college or find jobs, they are getting upset with the situation.

In addition, many of them are starting to tap into the fact that most of the burden of this debt will fall on them long term in higher taxes and fewer job opportunities. She and most of her girl friends are pursuing medicine/nursing and are scared to death about the nationalized health care possibility. She said their take is that most of the burden for providing health care services will fall on nurses to avoid the cost of doctors, plus their pay levels will likely be capped.

The Republicans have a growing opportunity here to expand their base by offering some market based solutions to the young voters out there, if they can only see it and grasp it.

I was very proud to hear this coming from my daughter. Seems like all the Old Man's lectures at the dinner table over the years about economics soaked in.


"Hope and Change" meet "Despair and Enslavement".

Somebody needs to rework 0's campaign posters.

660 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:41:39am

re: #615 Walter L. Newton

Funny bone stimulus brought to you by the Newton administration. Thanks.

He will be here all week. Don't forget to tip the waitress.

661 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:42:17am

re: #648 Mad Al-Jaffee

Mornin' scaly ones. This might be the best newspaper cover story headline ever. And it almost sounds like the title of a country song:

[Link: www.washingtoncitypaper.com...]

Wow, what a slimeball Marion is - and what an angel (or is it schmuck?) her husband is:

Watts-Brighthaupt was referring to an incident that had occurred about 10 months prior, at the Democratic National Convention. At the time, Watts-Brighthaupt was working on Barry’s ultimately successful re-election campaign and traveled to the Barack Obama-crowning affair. For reasons that remain murky, she ended up assigned to the councilmember’s hotel room in the Crowne Plaza hotel. Once behind closed doors, Barry allegedly asked Watts-Brighthaupt to perform oral sex on him. She refused, whereupon Barry threw her clothes out of the room and barred her from coming back in. She slept in the hotel’s parking garage, in a Cadillac Barry had rented.

Sourcing for the above incidents comes not from Watts-Brighthaupt or Barry, but rather from Delonta Brighthaupt, Watts-Brighthaupt’s ex-husband. Brighthaupt managed to record the mid-June confrontation between Watts-Brighthaupt and Barry, and he also participated from afar in the Denver fiasco, counseling Watts-Brighthaupt after she’d been bounced from her hotel room.

“She called me from the garage,” says Delonta Brighthaupt, who is assisting his ex-wife during her treatments for cancer.

662 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:42:24am

re: #489 redstateredneck

Hey, {turn}
Talked to my 60 year old laid off brother the other night. His unemployment runs out in a few weeks. He's hoping to be eligible for an extension. No job on the horizon for him. We talked about the irony of our father retiring at 60 and he's looking for a new career.

Yes, I am in a similar situation. I started the Zionist Mall but it was just for fun. I really do get "Zionist checks" but it's not a replacement for a full time job.

663 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:42:51am

re: #639 redstateredneck

Oh, honey, we love ya' but this is cut-throat scrabble. If we could win, we would!

That's why I like playing you!

I also want to say I'm sorry about your brother's difficulties. I do hope things work out for him soon.

664 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:42:51am

re: #661 Ward Cleaver

Er, ex-husband.

665 WINTERCAT  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:43:03am

re: #464 3 wood

FWIW, I just had a very interesting conversation with my 18 year old about the political scene.

She told me that she is seeing a big change in the last month or so in her age group, with a big swing towards more anti-Obama sentiment. She said most of them were buying the Hope and change garbage and cheering last winter. But now that they are facing the real world, either trying to go to college or find jobs, they are getting upset with the situation.
In addition, many of them are starting to tap into the fact that most of the burden of this debt will fall on them long term in higher taxes and fewer job opportunities.


This is why I have always believed that the voting age should be 21 except in the case of those people who enter the armed forces. In that case, it should be 18. Younger voters are incredibly uninformed and herd-like in their opinions. Like most democrats, actually. ;)

666 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:43:05am

re: #566 realwest

Indeed, and while I don't want to start a fight here, if you're a white, heterosexual male over the age of 50 or 55, good damn luck finding any job other than flipping burgers somewhere.
Obama is succeeding in bringing America DOWN to the levels of Third World Countries - we won't be able to eat as much as we want nor to heat/cool our homes to temps we like/need and as for Health care, as BAD as it can be now, at least someone who is older and has a life threatening disease can still get treatment pretty damn quickly even if that person is not very "socially productive" in a societal sense.
And it KILLS ME because so many brave Americans have fought, given their lives or their physical or mental health to defend our great nation and the fucking Community Organizer comes along, with the MSM in his (back) pocket at JUST THE RIGHT TIME economically and is now making a mockery of all the dedication, efforts and sacrifices of Americans since our founding as a Nation.

hey {real}
surely there is a silver ling here. o's approval rating is the worst ever now.
-5. that must infuriate the thin skinned narcissist. and it is going to get worse. he is out of control w/ what he is trying to do as fast as he can do it.
this country is being flimflammed by a con-artist. it is becoming obvious.
o will mark the stealth commie who got in office and turned this country away from tax and spend big stupid gov't. for a hundred yrs.
o is going to crash. the tipping point will be his push to make us go broke and suffer so he can dabble in ridiculous notions of cooling the earth. his grandiosity is disgusting. especially when, now, so many countries are realizing that punishing their citizens re: the temperature is absurd. we would be the only country going backwards which is what o has wanted from the beginning.
people are noticing, o's belief in the iron fist of gov't to harm america is fcked up.

667 opnion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:43:34am

re: #635 sattv4u2

So is she, IMHO

It is interesting that it was open season on Palin & her family soon after her nomination. Nothing was off limits, White trash woman with an Eskimo husband , slutty daughter & a crazy baby."
Obama on the other hand declared his middle name, his ears & his wife off limits. He got compliance.
There was never a thought of his children being ridiculed.
The Obama children are no more valuable or worthy of respect than the Palin children, but what a double standard.

668 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:43:43am

Well y'all it's been grand and I appreciate the opportunity to vent some of my frustrations out here.
I gotta leave now for the dentist but I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

669 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:44:13am

re: #598 doppelganglander

No argument here. We are in our mid-forties and he suspects there is some age discrimination going on. He recently revised his resume to only list the last 11 or 12 years of employment. The only reason we still have health insurance is because we qualified for a subsidy of our COBRA payments. That runs out in November. If he's not working by then, I have no idea where we're going to get over $800 a month to pay it. We both have pre-existing conditions and take several medications - nothing too serious, but enough to cause us problems if our coverage lapses and we become subject to a waiting period.

OMG!
There is perhaps some age discrimination going on, perhaps aggravated by the fact that younger employees cost less in salary and benefits.

Here's what a mid-forties individual (male or female) has going for them that younger ones don't, and some of this should be included in his resume:

1. Experience, not just technical experience, but experience in making decisions and acting on them.
2. Stability in life; fewer distractions; not constantly searching for "greener pastures".
3. Proven reliability (surely he has leave records and/or performance evaluations or letters of recommendation that show this)

Somewhere, there is an employer looking for those traits. I guarantee it. The trick is for your husband to find that employer.

670 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:44:48am

re: #663 doppelganglander

That's why I like playing you!

I also want to say I'm sorry about your brother's difficulties. I do hope things work out for him soon.

Thanks, girl. At least his wife still has her job, but she has health issues, so...it'll all work out. He's the middle child and there are two others of us, so we'll pitch in if we need to.

671 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:45:00am

re: #656 turn

haha! Is Roi your hubby?

Yes, he is.
The Roi de Rien (king of nothing)
Whereas everyone knows I am Reine de Tout (queen of everything).

672 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:45:22am

re: #653 ladycatnip

$6,000 purse? Big deal.

I'm more interested in knowing why the Administration sacked the IGs, who were looking into fraud, waste, and graft that was in the millions of dollars.

673 laZardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:45:32am

re: #668 realwest

Cheers, man.

674 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:45:51am

re: #648 Mad Al-Jaffee

Marion Barry's former girlfriend & campaign worker was recorded saying to him:

“You put me out in Denver ’cause I wouldn’t s*ck your d*ck”

What a classy dude!

675 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:45:58am

re: #668 realwest

Well y'all it's been grand and I appreciate the opportunity to vent some of my frustrations out here.
I gotta leave now for the dentist but I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Tell that dentist to fix you up!

676 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:46:40am

re: #638 realwest

Well in your case, due to your own efforts, it worked out quite well, I'd say. Course, for you the word "work" isn't frightening at all. Not so sure of the youngest generations of today who feel ENTITLED to everything YOU and others of us out here worked our ASSES OFF to get.

Thank you my friend. Very kind of you to say. I've been working pretty much full time since I was 14 and I'm 51 now.

677 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:46:44am

re: #671 reine.de.tout

Yes, he is.
The Roi de Rien (king of nothing)
Whereas everyone knows I am Reine de Tout (queen of everything).

heehee

678 badger1970  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:47:18am

re: #658 redstateredneck

Remember these aren't common folk like us. For us, $900 is a mortgage payment, for them it's tax payer money chicken feed ( FLOTUS doesn't get a salary).

679 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:47:44am

re: #653 ladycatnip

#641 lawhawk

Just read on Drudge that Michelle was carrying a $6,000.00 purse in Russia.

WH is denying it - saying it only cost $895.00 - such a deal!

Only $895.

Do you suppose the "WH" knows that most American women can only look and drool over an $895 handbag?

680 realwest  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:48:29am

re: #666 nyc redneck
Hey {nyc redneck} - hadda come back for this one:

"o is going to crash. the tipping point will be his push to make us go broke and suffer so he can dabble in ridiculous notions of cooling the earth. his grandiosity is disgusting."

I take no pleasure in that, because before he flames out he's taking MY COUNTRY DOWN WITH HIM.
And not so coincidentally, probably me too - Mom and I had a looong talk last night over which medications we should give up because we can't afford all of the med's that have been prescribed for her diabetes and other matters and my cancer. It was a really FUN conversation, NOT.

Just remember boys and girls, THE DEMOCRATS NOW OWN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LOCK STOCK AND BARREL - please don't ever forget that.

Now I'm outta here!

681 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:48:31am

re: #652 realwest

Well I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but the reality of my life is that I'm on SSDI cause my cancer and meds won't allow me to hold down a job (I sleep a helluva lot, can't help it, it's mostly medicinally induced) but because I'm on SSDI I also get the "chance" to be on Medicare and that is costing me MORE than when I was on COBRA - $397 a month in premiums (including $100 a month to medicare itself) plus a yearly total of $4,700 to cover my own prescription meds. COBRA - not including copayments - was costing me a flat $525 a month; you do the math.

{realwest} I pray for you regularly. I hate to be a pessimist, but anything Obamacare does is going to probably cost more. I wish I had a solution for you and everyone else in a similar situation.

682 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:48:34am

re: #679 reine.de.tout

Only $895.

Do you suppose the "WH" knows that most American women can only look and drool over an $895 handbag?

The WH knows we can look and drool at HERS!

683 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:48:48am

re: #648 Mad Al-Jaffee

Mornin' scaly ones. This might be the best newspaper cover story headline ever. And it almost sounds like the title of a country song:

[Link: www.washingtoncitypaper.com...]

What is wrong with the idiots who continue to support him?

684 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:48:56am

re: #678 badger1970

Remember these aren't common folk like us. For us, $900 is a mortgage payment, for them it's tax payer money chicken feed ( FLOTUS doesn't get a salary).

Maybe she rented it from "Bag, Borrow, or Steal".
yeah, right.

685 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:49:39am

re: #684 redstateredneck

Maybe she rented it from "Bag, Borrow, or Steal".
yeah, right.

That's not cheap, either.

686 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:49:45am

re: #683 MandyManners

What is wrong with the idiots who continue to support him?

They gotta bad case of the dumb-ass.

687 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:49:57am

re: #641 lawhawk

This administration is clueless about the economy.

They are so ignorant about economics that they don't realize that they don't know what they are doing.

It's like pitching to a home plate umpire who keeps blowing calls but thinks he's calling a good game.

688 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:50:18am

re: #685 reine.de.tout

That's not cheap, either.

I know; I checked it out myself!

689 WINTERCAT  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:50:32am

re: #678 badger1970

Remember these aren't common folk like us. For us, $900 is a mortgage payment, for them it's tax payer money chicken feed ( FLOTUS doesn't get a salary).

Did the taxpayers pay for the purse? Or was it on loan from a designer. Designers do loan items so they can get fame by association.

And on the subject of designers, clothing, etc. Has anyone seen any more mention of the J Crew promotion by the Obama kids? Was the WH okay with that?

690 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:51:20am

re: #689 WINTERCAT

Did the taxpayers pay for the purse? Or was it on loan from a designer. Designers do loan items so they can get fame by association.

And on the subject of designers, clothing, etc. Has anyone seen any more mention of the J Crew promotion by the Obama kids? Was the WH okay with that?

First I've heard of the J Crew promo.

691 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:51:45am

re: #561 albusteve

once again, the message or the principles never change...it's in the delivery...how do you wake up voters and get them to listen, the ageless problem for the GOP...this time they may be handed a gift...the donks appear to be self destructing, which solves the problem...the GOP still needs formidable leadership tho and it ain't gonna be no Reagan again

Delivery is key. Focusing on fiscal policy would be a nice start. Pointing out - endlessly - that the donks are nothing but control freak nanny state socialists with a nasty government fascism streak would help.

692 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:52:27am

re: #683 MandyManners

What is wrong with the idiots who continue to support him?

It's DC politics. I love this city, but I hate its government. Everything they do is screwed up. The woman who embezzled something like $40 million from the tax office got sentenced to 12.5 years.

693 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:52:37am

re: #636 3 wood

Once you hit the big 50 and are a white male, you tend to become invisible in the job market.

A friend of mine went from being an executive at a fortune 500 company to selling paint at a big box.

I can't see you! No kidding.

694 baier  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:52:50am

Obama's job approval rating lowest ever and tanking fast.
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
2010 here we come!

695 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:54:00am

re: #680 realwest

Hey {nyc redneck} - hadda come back for this one:

"o is going to crash. the tipping point will be his push to make us go broke and suffer so he can dabble in ridiculous notions of cooling the earth. his grandiosity is disgusting."

I take no pleasure in that, because before he flames out he's taking MY COUNTRY DOWN WITH HIM.
And not so coincidentally, probably me too - Mom and I had a looong talk last night over which medications we should give up because we can't afford all of the med's that have been prescribed for her diabetes and other matters and my cancer. It was a really FUN conversation, NOT.

Just remember boys and girls, THE DEMOCRATS NOW OWN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LOCK STOCK AND BARREL - please don't ever forget that.

Now I'm outta here!


And the MSM is making sure that by 2010, the Republican party will have the image of being the party of crazy creationists and Paulian conspiracy junkies, not a party any reasonable person could vote for.

While I have problems with him, Romney is one of the few that could shake that image. Palin can't.

696 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:54:26am

re: #694 baier

Obama's job approval rating lowest ever and tanking fast.
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
2010 here we come!

That is not a Nate Silver poll, so, it has no validity.
///

697 WINTERCAT  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:54:51am

re: #690 redstateredneck

First I've heard of the J Crew promo.


It was on Drudge a few days ago. J Crew did a press release on the day they flew to Russia spelling out everything they were wearing from their line along with a pricelist. Don't know if the WH okayed it or not. But, it was interesting that J Crew knew exactly what they were wearing that day in time to issue the release.

698 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:54:51am

re: #669 reine.de.tout

You are absolutely right. He's got all those qualities and references and awards to back them up. He is highly qualified for what he does. I know there's a job out there for him - he is being submitted for jobs by recruiters on a regular basis (including today!). He works hard at finding work and he generally stays very positive, so I try to stay positive for him. We are lucky compared to so many people - I make enough to cover the bills so we aren't facing foreclosure or anything like that. I think today it's just stress and hormones bumming me out.

699 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:55:47am

re: #697 WINTERCAT

It was on Drudge a few days ago. J Crew did a press release on the day they flew to Russia spelling out everything they were wearing from their line along with a pricelist. Don't know if the WH okayed it or not. But, it was interesting that J Crew knew exactly what they were wearing that day in time to issue the release.

I googled it.

700 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:55:55am

re: #679 reine.de.tout

Only $895.

Do you suppose the "WH" knows that most American women can only look and drool over an $895 handbag?

As long as she spent her own money on the bag, I really don't have a problem with this. If it came from taxpayer money (and I assume it didn't) then there's a problem.

But it's still pretty tacky to carry an expensive bag like that when the rest of the country is suffering.

701 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:55:56am

re: #658 redstateredneck

Alligator! Call PETA, quick!


People Eating Tasty Alligators?

702 ladycatnip  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:56:13am

What a way to get discovered - band writes song about United destroying their guitar.

703 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:57:26am

Whatever the cost of the bag, I gotta' give props to WAB for looking nice in that photograph.

704 badger1970  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:57:45am

re: #689 WINTERCAT

Whether it was on loan or not, the appearance of a jet setting family with designer clothes and accessories show a disconnect with the American people (currently reaping what bo has sown). As stated before it's like them telling Americans to eat cake.

705 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:57:55am

re: #702 ladycatnip

What a way to get discovered - band writes song about United destroying their guitar.

Wish I'd thought of something like that when Air France destroyed my guitar (an acoustic Gibson J45) back in 1970. But we didn't have YouTube back in the day.

706 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:58:03am

re: #692 Mad Al-Jaffee

It's DC politics. I love this city, but I hate its government. Everything they do is screwed up. The woman who embezzled something like $40 million from the tax office got sentenced to 12.5 years.

Was she ordered to repay the money?

707 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:58:38am

re: #672 lawhawk

$6,000 purse? Big deal.

I'm more interested in knowing why the Administration sacked the IGs, who were looking into fraud, waste, and graft that was in the millions of dollars.

Remember the scandal over W firing eight US Attorneys?

The reaction of the media over this? Crickets.

708 laZardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:58:59am

re: #703 MandyManners

Whatever the cost of the bag, I gotta' give props to WAB for looking nice in that photograph.

Oh no you didn't!

/snaps fingers in triangular motion

709 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:59:12am

re: #579 3 wood

Playing for Dusty Baker?

I wouldn't wish that on Avanti or Iceweasle.

If I could get Sparky Anderson back I would. On the other hand, if the fans have to suffer it then the players should too.

710 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:00:15am

re: #679 reine.de.tout

The Mrs. drools over Coach bags but she knows that she'd wear 'em out pretty quick. I got her one of these. It isn't cheap, but it should last a good long time.

711 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:00:22am

re: #694 baier

Obama's job approval rating lowest ever and tanking fast.
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
2010 here we come!

The fact that he still has a 56.4% approval rate is frightening. What does it take to get him under 50% approval? 34% unemployment, 167% inflation, $13/gallon gas and a terrorist attack or two?

Oh yeah I forgot... that would be because of the "failed policies of the past 8 years"

//

712 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:00:46am

re: #708 laZardo

Oh no you didn't!

/snaps fingers in triangular motion

I strive not to have WABDS.

713 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:01:21am

re: #707 Ward Cleaver

And there's actually something to this particular bunch of firings since these IGs were busy investigating the wrongdoings with this Administration. It goes beyond mere political differences and might actually involve disrupting active investigations into wrongdoing by this Administration.

714 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:01:50am

re: #703 MandyManners

Whatever the cost of the bag, I gotta' give props to WAB for looking nice in that photograph.

I'd look nice, too, if I were the lady with the alligator purse!

715 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:02:00am

re: #703 MandyManners

Broken clocks... Every once in a while, she does manage to get it right.

716 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:04:01am

re: #713 lawhawk

And there's actually something to this particular bunch of firings since these IGs were busy investigating the wrongdoings with this Administration. It goes beyond mere political differences and might actually involve disrupting active investigations into wrongdoing by this Administration.

Is anyone looking into this?

717 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:05:38am

re: #710 lawhawk
You bought her a cute little redhead?
Adopt me ...please...

718 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:06:06am

re: #714 redstateredneck

I'd look nice, too, if I were the lady with the alligator purse!

I wonder what that is around her neck.

719 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:07:07am

re: #702 ladycatnip

What a way to get discovered - band writes song about United destroying their guitar.

Heh. It's a good one. When I was returning from Houston, after a cruise to Cozumel, I took a fragile stone cat through security. The guard wondered what it was. I told him. I then said that I didn't want baggage handling to get their hands on it. He cracked a smile and a chuckle on that.

720 ladycatnip  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:07:17am

#713 lawhawk

And there's actually something to this particular bunch of firings since these IGs were busy investigating the wrongdoings with this Administration. It goes beyond mere political differences and might actually involve disrupting active investigations into wrongdoing by this Administration.

I was on this bandwagon when it happened, but haven't heard a peep about it in the media lately. Will Barry's super majority have the ability to make sure any and all investigations of wrongdoing get buried?

721 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:07:26am

re: #695 Kosh's Shadow

And the MSM is making sure that by 2010, the Republican party will have the image of being the party of crazy creationists and Paulian conspiracy junkies, not a party any reasonable person could vote for.

While I have problems with him, Romney is one of the few that could shake that image. Palin can't.

IMO Palin's image problem is not that of a crazy creationist or a laupnorian.
Her MSM image is that of a dumb, unsophisticated, ignorant, bumbling hypocrite, who happens to be attractive, athletic, charismatic and sexy.

722 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:07:34am

re: #715 lawhawk

Broken clocks... Every once in a while, she does manage to get it right.

Maybe someone's getting through to her.

723 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:07:57am

re: #698 doppelganglander

You are absolutely right. He's got all those qualities and references and awards to back them up. He is highly qualified for what he does. I know there's a job out there for him - he is being submitted for jobs by recruiters on a regular basis (including today!). He works hard at finding work and he generally stays very positive, so I try to stay positive for him. We are lucky compared to so many people - I make enough to cover the bills so we aren't facing foreclosure or anything like that. I think today it's just stress and hormones bumming me out.

{doppel}

724 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:08:25am

re: #707 Ward Cleaver

Remember the scandal over W firing eight US Attorneys?

The reaction of the media over this? Crickets.

Especially considering that the attorneys are supposed to follow administration priorities, and weren't, so they were insubordinate, while an inspector general is supposed to be independent.

725 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:08:25am

Interesting background on the political and theological ideas behind the growing democratic revolution in Iran:

The New Democrats
by Abbas Milani


The roots of Iran's current divide to a great extent lie at the turn of the century, when the country's ayatollahs essentially split into two camps on questions of religion and politics. The first was led by Ayatollah Na'ini, an advocate of what is called the "Quietist" school of Shiism--today best exemplified in the character and behavior of Ayatollah Sistani in Iraq. According to Na'ini, true "Islamic government" could only be established when the twelfth imam returned. Such a government would be the government of God on earth: Its words, deeds, laws, and courts would be absolute and could tolerate no errors. But humans, Na'ini said, were fallible and thus ill-fitted to the sacred task of establishing God's government. As the pious await the return of the infallible twelfth imam, they must in the interim search for the best form of government. And the form most befitting this period, Na'ini argued, was constitutional democracy. The role of ayatollahs under this arrangement would be to "advise" the rulers and ensure that laws inimical to sharia were not implemented. But it would not be to rule the country themselves.
726 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:09:12am

re: #706 MandyManners

Was she ordered to repay the money?

Yeah, but she spent so much I don't know how much they'll get back.

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

727 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:10:48am

re: #718 MandyManners

I wonder what that is around her neck.

Some kind of necklace near as I can tell.

728 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:11:18am

re: #710 lawhawk

The Mrs. drools over Coach bags but she knows that she'd wear 'em out pretty quick. I got her one of these. It isn't cheap, but it should last a good long time.

Wow.
those are nice.
Seatbelt fabric, yes, should last a long time.
And reasonably priced, compared to others.

729 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:13:31am

more...

Mehdi Bazargan, at the time a professor of engineering--and destined to become the first prime minister of the Islamic Republic--tried to use the laws of thermodynamics to prove the existence of God. Another activist, based in the city of Mashhad, founded a group called the Movement of God-Worshipping Socialists, arguing that, long before Marx, Muhammad had been a proletarian revolutionary.

730 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:13:36am

re: #683 MandyManners

What is wrong with the idiots who continue to support him?

there are several categories of idiots.
1. people he has fooled who have not realized yet that he is not representing the dem. party of our grandparents,
2. extreme leftist commie environuts,
3. the dead beats of society who want free stuff, (unicorns, kitchens, gas money)
4. run of the mill libtards who get infatuated w/ 'rock stars'
5. gov't workers,
6. those who want to be gov't workers
7.the msm (main-shit-media) always left leaning.
8. students who have been brain washed in lib universities
9.idiots who haven't quite assuaged their guilt. they need to suffer a little more.
voting for o wasn't quite enough.
10.black people who were caught up in hype that is going to back fire on them

731 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:15:01am

re: #730 nyc redneck

there are several categories of idiots.
1. people he has fooled who have not realized yet that he is not representing the dem. party of our grandparents,
2. extreme leftist commie environuts,
3. the dead beats of society who want free stuff, (unicorns, kitchens, gas money)
4. run of the mill libtards who get infatuated w/ 'rock stars'
5. gov't workers,
6. those who want to be gov't workers
7.the msm (main-shit-media) always left leaning.
8. students who have been brain washed in lib universities
9.idiots who haven't quite assuaged their guilt. they need to suffer a little more.
voting for o wasn't quite enough.
10.black people who were caught up in hype that is going to back fire on them

Just put that in my "faves".

732 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:15:10am

re: #730 nyc redneck

She meant Marion Barry. His votes have mostly come from the crack lobby. :)

733 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:15:42am
734 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:16:02am

re: #728 reine.de.tout

Yeah, she wouldn't buy one for herself, so I got it for her. Pretty reasonable, made in the USA, and they've got a great reputation...

735 badger1970  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:16:42am

re: #702 ladycatnip

Funny video. Gets his point across without being mean. But what's with the sombreros?

MST3K (and now Rifftrax) mercilessly ripped on was Northwest airlines. Never tick off someone who knows how to get their message across.

736 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:17:01am

re: #733 buzzsawmonkey

True. She's not a fan of the trendy Coach stuff, but the classic leather. She has a couple of their clutches.

/who turned us in to ghost of Mr. Blackwell?

737 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:17:40am

re: #731 reine.de.tout


there are other categories. do any come to mind for anyone.
it would be good to break it down like this. then we can define who we need to reach.

738 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:18:45am

more...

Then there were the ideas of Iranian intellectual Abdolkarim Soroush. Around 1990, he published a seminal series of articles questioning the epistemological foundations of Khomeini's concept of velayat-e-faqih, the guardianship of the jurist. Soroush argued that any cognition of sacred text is ultimately no more than a mere mortal's cognition--and thus, contingent and relative, not absolute. Privileging one person's reading of these texts over others, he said, was an arbitrary political decision with no theological validity. Not surprisingly, Soroush's essays created an uproar in Iran. Apologists for the regime attacked him for channeling "Zionist" ideas, while many in the reform movement began to apply the same decidedly democratic principles to other arenas. The essays were also the beginning of Soroush's own odyssey, which took him from being an ally--if not a theorist--of the regime to being one of its most intractable and influential critics.

739 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:19:49am

Star Trek: The Abridged Script

[Link: www.the-editing-room.com...]

740 irongrampa  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:20:12am

Given where the economy seems to be heading, there's considerable relief on my part that almost all our income is tax free. We worked like dogs to win our personal war on poverty, and finally succeeded. We aren't rich,just nice and comfortable.

Unless it all goes to shit, we'll make it okay--even if it DOES, we can make do to a huge extent. But I'll do all in my power to prevent that scenario from ocurring. Just have to hope there's enough left to repair after this crap runs it's course.

741 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:20:18am

re: #733 buzzsawmonkey

The classic leather Coach bag is not only more attractive than their more recent fabric offerings, but covered by a repair guarantee. I know someone who has had one of these Coach bags for almost 20 years, and has had them refurbish and restore the bag when the binding wears out at least 5 times.

E-Bay has a huge selection of "gently" used and well-maintained Coach bags. People take good care of their Coach bags. I just bought a very nice used "lunch" tote, which is no longer available through coach.

And you are correct, the classic Coach is much more attractive than their recent fabric offerings.

742 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:20:25am

re: #732 Mad Al-Jaffee

She meant Marion Barry. His votes have mostly come from the crack lobby. :)

oh, lol
i wasn't even thinking abt. THAT train wreck.
:D

743 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:21:22am

re: #734 lawhawk

Yeah, she wouldn't buy one for herself, so I got it for her. Pretty reasonable, made in the USA, and they've got a great reputation...

OK guys, I gotta tellya, all this talk of purses and gifts for the Mrs. is causing mild but unsettling feelings of guilt.

744 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:21:49am

re: #743 Spare O'Lake

OK guys, I gotta tellya, all this talk of purses and gifts for the Mrs. is causing mild but unsettling feelings of guilt.

Well, then, you need to do something.

745 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:22:12am

re: #742 nyc redneck

The sad thing is, Barry might make a better president than 0 - at least he has decades of political experience.

746 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:22:14am

re: #719 Honorary Yooper

Heh. It's a good one. When I was returning from Houston, after a cruise to Cozumel, I took a fragile stone cat through security. The guard wondered what it was. I told him. I then said that I didn't want baggage handling to get their hands on it. He cracked a smile and a chuckle on that.

What was the cat smoking?

747 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:22:29am

re: #732 Mad Al-Jaffee

She meant Marion Barry. His votes have mostly come from the crack lobby. :)

Bitch set me up.

748 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:23:02am

re: #726 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah, but she spent so much I don't know how much they'll get back.

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

Still, that's a long time in prison.

749 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:23:58am

re: #727 redstateredneck

Some kind of necklace near as I can tell.

She should've gone with a string of pearls.

750 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:24:04am
751 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:24:11am

*meow*

752 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:24:41am

re: #732 Mad Al-Jaffee

She meant Marion Barry. His votes have mostly come from the crack lobby. :)

Ah yes, Marion Barry. He's got some rather quotable stuff:

"Goddamn bitch set me up!"
"Outside of the killings, DC has one of the lowest crime rates in the country."

753 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:25:10am

re: #736 lawhawk

True. She's not a fan of the trendy Coach stuff, but the classic leather. She has a couple of their clutches.

/who turned us in to ghost of Mr. Blackwell?

re: #736 lawhawk
I'm a Hobo fan, myself.

True. She's not a fan of the trendy Coach stuff, but the classic leather. She has a couple of their clutches.

/who turned us in to ghost of Mr. Blackwell?

754 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:25:15am

re: #737 nyc redneck

there are other categories. do any come to mind for anyone.
it would be good to break it down like this. then we can define who we need to reach.

What about the holier-than-thou wealthy libs? One of my coworkers fits this. He and his wife have no kids and make some serious money. He thinks he does not pay enough taxes. He's also a lib-idiot.

755 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:25:41am

Let's see, Barry O's ratings down, unemployment not stabilizing, stock market unimpressed, a second stimulus needed...

Gee, where is our token liberal Lizards with all the good news about the Obama administration?

756 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:25:44am

North Korean Cyber Attack Video From Kim Jong Il

It's worse than you thought!

757 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:26:00am

re: #753 redstateredneck
Totally effed that up!
:D

HOBO

758 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:26:03am

re: #746 Walter L. Newton

What was the cat smoking?

Huh? It was an onyx cat sculpture.

759 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:26:09am
760 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:26:12am

re: #750 buzzsawmonkey

There's an "in the clutches of fashion" joke in there somewhere.

BTW, funny story; the same person who has the many-times-refurbished Coach bag (black) also had one in red. She decided it did not suit her, and offered it for sale in the classifieds of the Park Slope Food Co-op newsletter. She got a nibble, but the inquiring party wanted to know how come the bag was red--and immediately lost interest when informed that the leather had been dyed.

One has to wonder whether this person thought that the bag was the sole surviving relic of the Red Heifer, or something--could she really think that all black shoes come from black cows, and all brown shoes come from brown cows?

Good grief! I've a red Coach bag. And a brown one and a navy one and a black one.

Are people really that ignorant?

761 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:26:49am

re: #749 MandyManners

She should've gone with a string of pearls.

She'd already worn those. I checked the photo gallery.

762 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:27:02am

re: #748 MandyManners

Still, that's a long time in prison.

Not long enough.

763 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:27:05am

re: #744 reine.de.tout

Well, then, you need to do something.

Yeah, I guess I'll get back to work.

764 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:27:22am
765 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:27:26am

re: #730 nyc redneck

there are several categories of idiots.
1. people he has fooled who have not realized yet that he is not representing the dem. party of our grandparents,
2. extreme leftist commie environuts,
3. the dead beats of society who want free stuff, (unicorns, kitchens, gas money)
4. run of the mill libtards who get infatuated w/ 'rock stars'
5. gov't workers,
6. those who want to be gov't workers
7.the msm (main-shit-media) always left leaning.
8. students who have been brain washed in lib universities
9.idiots who haven't quite assuaged their guilt. they need to suffer a little more.
voting for o wasn't quite enough.
10.black people who were caught up in hype that is going to back fire on them

I was speaking of Marion Barry but, your list about FCBBHO could apply to Barry, too.

766 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:27:55am

re: #754 VioletTiger

What about the holier-than-thou wealthy libs? One of my coworkers fits this. He and his wife have no kids and make some serious money. He thinks he does not pay enough taxes. He's also a lib-idiot.


He is perfectly welcome to send extra to the IRS>

767 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:27:59am

re: #758 Honorary Yooper

Huh? It was an onyx cat sculpture.

Stoned (it was a joke), my bad.

768 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:28:40am

re: #767 Walter L. Newton

Stoned (it was a joke), my bad.

If it were stoned, it would've had a bag of Doritos on it. ;-)

769 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:28:43am

BBL

770 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:28:48am

Suez Canal Ships, Pipelines Were Plotters’ Targets, Egypt Says

Ships in the Suez Canal and oil pipelines were the targets of a terrorist plot involving al- Qaeda, Egyptian authorities said after arresting 26 suspects.

The 25 Egyptians and one Palestinian were able to manufacture remote-controlled bombing devices, the Interior Ministry in Cairo said today in a statement. The Egyptian accused of leading the cell, Mohamed Fahim Hussein, confessed to communicating with groups linked to al-Qaeda, the ministry said.
...
“It would be a worldwide mess if the canal was closed,” Pablo Mastragostino, a broker at Nolarma Tankers SRL in the Italian city of Genoa, said by e-mail. “Freight would go skyrocketing and whole trade routes would have to be reprogrammed.”

771 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:29:06am

A thought occurred to me last night (i know - rare occasion) that maybe Palin is setting herself up as another VP pick come 2012. You got to admit a Romney/Palin ticket would be pretty darn strong. That would cause a few heads to splode on the left.

772 laZardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:29:19am

re: #756 Kenneth

He certainly has a lot of time on his hands given that he's...

773 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:29:21am
774 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:29:58am

re: #773 buzzsawmonkey

Good thing you told him. Onyxy is always the best policy.

That's crystal clear.

775 laZardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:29:59am

re: #772 laZardo

Hmm, audio got disabled due to copyright.

776 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:30:02am

re: #771 turn

If Palin is running in 2012, she's not doing it as 2nd banana.

777 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:30:45am

re: #766 redstateredneck

He is perfectly welcome to send extra to the IRS>

We've had some interesting conversations. I can see his point on some of the social issues, but his logic does not compute on the fiscal and national defense front. Truly a unicorn and rainbow believer.

778 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:31:07am

Coach is offering CLOTH bags?

*swoon*

Where are mah fucking smelling salts?

779 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:31:57am

re: #761 redstateredneck

Who are you guys talking about? what photo ... wab?

780 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:33:38am

re: #770 Killgore Trout

I have been saying this since 9/11/2001. Al Q's (Osama's) objectives have never really been about killing westerners, rather to cripple western economies

781 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:34:42am

re: #761 redstateredneck

She'd already worn those. I checked the photo gallery.

Pearls go with everything.

782 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:35:06am

re: #754 VioletTiger

What about the holier-than-thou wealthy libs? One of my coworkers fits this. He and his wife have no kids and make some serious money. He thinks he does not pay enough taxes. He's also a lib-idiot.

yes, you are right. the stupid super rich.
like the hollywoofers. streisand w/ her own foreign affairs advisor (lol), sean penn etc.
there is no law prohibiting them from paying all the taxes they want.
tell your coworker to write a big check to the I.R.S or shut his gob.

783 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:35:22am

re: #762 Mad Al-Jaffee

Not long enough.

She's 52. That's a long time.

784 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:35:56am

re: #764 buzzsawmonkey

At least one person out there appears to be. But she was clearly a "green" type, which probably explains it.

She needs to get out more.

785 sagehen  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:36:10am

re: #695 Kosh's Shadow

And the MSM is making sure that by 2010, the Republican party will have the image of being the party of crazy creationists and Paulian conspiracy junkies, not a party any reasonable person could vote for.

And sex fiends.

In fairness, the Republican party is doing its part to give the MSM plenty of material to work with. MSNBC doesn't have to make this stuff up.

786 opnion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:36:29am

re: #776 Kenneth

If Palin is running in 2012, she's not doing it as 2nd banana.

Right, she's done that. She has to feel misused & hung out to dry by the McCain Campaign. Heck, defended Obama more than he ever did Palin.

787 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:37:05am

re: #776 Kenneth

If Palin is running in 2012, she's not doing it as 2nd banana.

I don't know about that. I can see she might have presidential aspirations but what better way would there be to build up the experience necessary other than the VP? After two terms under Romney she would be a virtual shoe in, assuming the pendulum ever swings back that way.

788 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:37:07am
789 avanti  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:37:20am

re: #696 Walter L. Newton

That is not a Nate Silver poll, so, it has no validity.
///

It's close though, Nate averages polls after weighing accuracy, RCP just averages so they are very close. Nate suggests the POTUS should drop to his voter level of around 52 % by midterm if he follows past POTUS history. Really bad or good news could swing that though.

790 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:38:25am

re: #788 buzzsawmonkey

Did someone say "String of Pearls?"

Oh, you are the man.

791 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:38:35am

Charity in Truth

“Only in truth does charity shine forth, only in truth can charity be authentically lived…Without truth, charity degenerates into sentimentality. Love becomes an empty shell, to be filled in an arbitrary way. In a culture without truth, this is the fatal risk facing love.”

792 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:39:47am
793 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:40:02am

re: #791 Kenneth

Charity in Truth

Werd!

794 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:40:12am

re: #787 turn

If she wanted to build more experience, she would have stayed at her job as Governor of Alaska. It's clear to me, she left to launch her presidential run in 2012.

795 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:40:29am

re: #792 buzzsawmonkey

It might split the party, but it would be nice to have a candidate who doesn't fudge the issues, who can whip up some enthusiasm, and creams the opposition.

Yeah, that would be cherry.

796 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:40:49am

re: #792 buzzsawmonkey

You're nuts!

797 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:40:49am

re: #792 buzzsawmonkey

It might split the party, but it would be nice to have a candidate who doesn't fudge the issues, who can whip up some enthusiasm, and creams the opposition.

All that and a cherry on top too. Sundae it may happen. Until then, it's all fudgy.

798 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:42:12am

re: #794 Kenneth

If she wanted to build more experience, she would have stayed at her job as Governor of Alaska. It's clear to me, she left to launch her presidential run in 2012.

You are pretty astute kenneth, after all you were the one who first suggested Palin as VP here at LGF IIRC. I'm glad you think she might run in 2012.

799 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:42:29am

re: #795 turn

Yeah, that would be cherry.

If we can get around those on top of the GOP, who are clearly nuts, we would beat the Democrats six ways to Sundae in 2012!.

800 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:43:05am

re: #796 Kenneth

You're nuts!

Don't fudge your enthusiasm.

801 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:43:22am
802 avanti  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:43:22am

re: #678 badger1970

Remember these aren't common folk like us. For us, $900 is a mortgage payment, for them it's tax payer money chicken feed ( FLOTUS doesn't get a salary).

It's all relative, if you are millionaire a $900 purse is like a $25 Wal Mart job for my wife. I've seen rich folk spend 100K to restore a 20K antique car just for the fun of it.

803 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:43:25am

re: #799 CIA Reject

If we can get around those on top of the GOP, who are clearly nuts, we would beat the Democrats six ways to Sundae in 2012!.

Hey, where did you get the scoop?

804 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:43:30am

re: #783 MandyManners

She's 52. That's a long time.

She got something like 17 years. With good behavior that means - I don't know how much, but a lot less than 17 years. (any lawyers here who know about sentencing and actual time served?)

She'll be fed, sheltered and get free health care while the poor of DC continue to suffer. That money she stole could have been used for all kinds of social programs, but she wanted expensive cars, furs, jewelry etc.

805 CIA Reject  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:43:36am

Lunchtime - BBL

806 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:44:51am

re: #803 turn

Hey, where did you get the scoop?

From a black cow.

807 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:45:44am

I did not know Iowahawk had gone big time. He is now featured at Big Hollywood:

Fans Flock to Mourn California, 1849-2009

LOS ANGELES - Millions of fans from around the globe gathered along Sunset Boulevard to pay final respects to California today, as a slow moving funeral procession transported the eccentric superstar state’s remains to its final resting place in a Winchell’s Donuts dumpster in Van Nuys. The self-proclaimed ‘King of Pop Culture’ died last week at 160, in what coroners ruled an accidental case of financial autoerotic asphyxiation. The death sent shock waves across the world and sparked an outpouring of grief by rabid fans.

808 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:45:51am

re: #806 midwestgak

From a black cow.

Oh, so you're the one floating that idea.

809 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:46:10am

re: #789 avanti

It's close though, Nate averages polls after weighing accuracy, RCP just averages so they are very close. Nate suggests the POTUS should drop to his voter level of around 52 % by midterm if he follows past POTUS history. Really bad or good news could swing that though.

PAST POTUS... so Nate has predetermined that a POTUS should track 52% by midterm. So, it doesn't matter to Nate if the president is really good or really shitty, he says because he's seen 52% in the past, it sould track that now.

I call bullshit. So, he averages and weighs his polls according to a flawed idea. Are you saying that of Obama totally tanks, his approval rating will still be around 52%, as per Nate?

If you answer YES to the above paragraph, I want to play some poker with you.

810 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:46:18am

re: #798 turn

It may not be a wise move on her part to resign, but the only explanation that makes sense is so she can run in 2012. She will likely spend a lot of time touring the country, speaking at events large & small, letting real Americans get to know her. She does much better in person than when filtered through the media that despises her.

811 badger1970  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:46:32am

re: #806 midwestgak

I supposed his initials were A & W?

812 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:47:22am

re: #810 Kenneth

That makes sense. bbl, have to see if my new contraption works.

813 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:48:16am

re: #800 MandyManners

Don't fudge your enthusiasm.

Just beware of going for brownie points.

814 aggieann  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:48:35am

re: #591 razorbacker

Back in 1994 I left a job on which I paid taxes of $106K/yr. I left because I was sick of being accountable for that over which I had no control, and I saw a window to leave with a really nice severance package.

Moved back to Arkansas and heard 'you'll just quit when you find another high-paying job' so often that I developed a stock response, "This is Arkansas. I love it, I'm not leaving, and there aren't high-paying jobs here."

Wasn't that successful, but I did get a job.

I went to high school and college in central Arkansas and would consider moving back if it weren't for the danged high taxes and danged low salaries!

815 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:48:42am

Risking Israel's ire, US takes 1,350 Palestinian refugees

Importing 1350 anti-American/anti-Israel Saddam supporting "refugees" who are hated by the newly free Iraqi populace.

What could possibly go wrong?

I predict "We are all (insert terror group)" demonstrations by these "refugees" within 2 years.

(And regarding the headline: Not one sentence showing any Israeli "ire." Why? Because Israelis don't give a shit if Palestinians move to the USA. They give a shit that Palestinians will be moved into Israel, not "Palestine.")

816 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:48:55am

re: #804 Mad Al-Jaffee

She got something like 17 years. With good behavior that means - I don't know how much, but a lot less than 17 years. (any lawyers here who know about sentencing and actual time served?)

She'll be fed, sheltered and get free health care while the poor of DC continue to suffer. That money she stole could have been used for all kinds of social programs, but she wanted expensive cars, furs, jewelry etc.

Well, now that you put it that way, she got off light.

817 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:49:16am

re: #802 avanti

Nice to see the Obama's are so "of the people" that they can buy $900 purses when the rest of the country are struggling to put anything in there own purses.

"Let them eat waffles"

818 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:49:51am

re: #808 turn

Oh, so you're the one floating that idea.

I'm just tring to sugar cone it.

819 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:49:51am

re: #755 Walter L. Newton

Let's see, Barry O's ratings down, unemployment not stabilizing, stock market unimpressed, a second stimulus needed...

Gee, where is our token liberal Lizards with all the good news about the Obama administration?

Waiting for their Democratic party talking points emails to come through so they can coordinate their spin.

820 LGoPs  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:50:14am

re: #817 Kenneth

Nice to see the Obama's are so "of the people" that they can buy $900 purses when the rest of the country are struggling to put anything in there own purses.

"Let them eat waffles"

How much did Sarah Palin spend on her wardrobe? I forget. Please remind me.
///

821 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:51:21am

re: #813 Honorary Yooper

Just beware of going for brownie points.

Will puns now sprinkle this thread?

822 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:51:22am

re: #811 badger1970

I supposed his initials were A & W?

No. DQ.

823 sagehen  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:51:53am

re: #743 Spare O'Lake

OK guys, I gotta tellya, all this talk of purses and gifts for the Mrs. is causing mild but unsettling feelings of guilt.

If you're currently unable to assuage the guilt with material offerings, foot massages are a suitable substitute.

824 SurferDoc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:51:58am

re: #746 Walter L. Newton

What was the cat smoking?

I don't know but he was wearing black trousers and had a slender moustache.

/rimshot

825 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:52:11am
826 laZardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:52:28am

re: #807 doppelganglander

California, rest in peace...

827 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:52:45am
828 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:53:21am

re: #820 LGoPs

How much did Sarah Palin spend on her wardrobe? I forget. Please remind me.
///

Sarah didn't spend anything on her wardrobe, the GOP spent money on dressing her and then donated the clothes to charity. Palin didn't keep any of it.

829 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:53:22am

re: #816 MandyManners

Well, now that you put it that way, she got off light.

She should get at least a year for every million she stole. She probably would have gotten much more, but she worked with investigators and let them know all about her schemes.

830 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:54:19am

re: #815 Ben Hur

Which stupid motherfucker decided this?

831 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:54:25am

one time around christmas, i was walking down the street and i thought how much i would love to have a nice string of pearls. single strand, mid- length.
i had a dress in mind i wanted to wear them w/. (black velvet).
i walked a little further and then stopped in my tracks. there on the side walk at my feet was the most lovely strand of pearls, just like i had envisioned, seconds earlier.
i picked those pearls up so fast. and put them in my pocket.
my friend's mom, a jeweler, authenticated the quality of my new found treasure.
i asked around the neighborhood if anyone had lost any jewelry. no one had.
so i kept them. there is a little diamond on the clasp. it's real too.

832 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:54:33am

re: #821 MandyManners

Will puns now sprinkle this thread?

That will shake things up.

833 LGoPs  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:54:51am

re: #828 Kenneth

Sarah didn't spend anything on her wardrobe, the GOP spent money on dressing her and then donated the clothes to charity. Palin didn't keep any of it.

I know. I just wanted to be reminded because I think the media is falling down on it's job not reminding all of us 30 times a freakin' day...
:)

834 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:54:59am

re: #825 buzzsawmonkey

Buying quality is always an investment, and cheaper in the long run.

Remember that when you can't afford filet mignon, and are checking under the sofa cushions for change so that you can buy the small bag at White Castle.

So true. I bought a classic long black coat, water proof, with a zip in lining. $150.

Back in 1993. Still in fasion today. Dry clean it each year. Good to go.

835 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:55:16am

re: #789 avanti

It's close though, Nate averages polls after weighing accuracy, RCP just averages so they are very close. Nate suggests the POTUS should drop to his voter level of around 52 % by midterm if he follows past POTUS history. Really bad or good news could swing that though.

You still don't "get it", do you. It's not the % per se, it's in HOW that % is derived at

What that means

Obama had an approval in the high 60%. His disapproval was 25-28%
NOW, his approval is in the low 60%, but his DISAPPROVAL is up in the 40% range, meaning many of those that were in the middle but voted for him afor "CHANGE" are now seeing the Emporere has no clothes. His die-hard suppoters stil;l back him, his die-hard detractors still abhor him. He is losing the middle

836 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:55:25am
837 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:55:40am

re: #830 MandyManners

Which stupid motherfucker decided this?

Probably a Joo.

838 LGoPs  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:56:15am

re: #836 buzzsawmonkey

We have to import Palestinians, so that they can do the domestic terror jobs Americans won't.

LOL...well put.

839 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:56:29am

I'm trying really hard not to make a "pearl necklace" joke in this thread. ;)

840 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:56:47am

re: #829 Mad Al-Jaffee

She should get at least a year for every million she stole. She probably would have gotten much more, but she worked with investigators and let them know all about her schemes.

I reckon the PTB cared about locking up a lot of people.

841 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:57:20am
842 aggieann  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:57:56am

re: #750 buzzsawmonkey

There's an "in the clutches of fashion" joke in there somewhere.

BTW, funny story; the same person who has the many-times-refurbished Coach bag (black) also had one in red. She decided it did not suit her, and offered it for sale in the classifieds of the Park Slope Food Co-op newsletter. She got a nibble, but the inquiring party wanted to know how come the bag was red--and immediately lost interest when informed that the leather had been dyed.

One has to wonder whether this person thought that the bag was the sole surviving relic of the Red Heifer, or something--could she really think that all black shoes come from black cows, and all brown shoes come from brown cows?

My hubby swears he once overheard an airhead saying she would never buy a Dooney & Burke purse because she felt sorry for all those ducks . . .

843 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:58:05am

re: #832 Mad Al-Jaffee

That will shake things up.

Get down and do some push ups.

844 SurferDoc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:58:09am

re: #839 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm trying really hard not to make a "pearl necklace" joke in this thread. ;)

I never like to go for the easy layup.

845 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:58:36am
846 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:59:00am

re: #837 Ben Hur

Probably a Joo.

More likely that no-good, fucking Commie bastard at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

847 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:59:12am

re: #835 sattv4u2

You still don't "get it", do you. It's not the % per se, it's in HOW that % is derived at

What that means

Obama had an approval in the high 60%. His disapproval was 25-28%
NOW, his approval is in the low 60%, but his DISAPPROVAL is up in the 40% range, meaning many of those that were in the middle but voted for him afor "CHANGE" are now seeing the Emporere has no clothes. His die-hard suppoters stil;l back him, his die-hard detractors still abhor him. He is losing the middle

He doesn't have to get it, he plays poker, he's bluffing, if we fall for it, he gets pats on his back from his liberal handlers, if no one falls for this bullshit, he can just blame it on Nate (or the Bush administration).

He thinks he is playing us for fools.

848 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:59:19am

re: #843 midwestgak

Get down and do some push ups.

Lots of Good Humor being posted today.

849 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:59:49am

Iranian Missiles

July 9, 2009: Israeli intelligence believes that Iran is now increasing production of long range (2,000+ kilometers) missiles, now that it has successfully tested a solid fuel ballistic missile (the Sejil II). Apparently, Iran plans to build a thousand Sejil IIs, and even longer range missiles, over the next six years. There are apparently also plans to build up to 500 mobile launchers for these, to make them even more difficult for Israel to spot, and destroy. Solid fuel missiles can be launched without preparation. This is critical, as the liquid fueled missiles take hours to prepare for launch, and Israeli spy satellites pass over Iran frequently enough to spot this. Iran got the advanced solid fuel technology from Pakistan or North Korea.

For the last five years, Iran has been producing Shahab 3 IRBMs. This missile is basically 1960s technology, with the addition of GPS guidance. Russian and North Korean missile technology has been obtained to make the Shahab 3 work. This has resulted in a missile that apparently will function properly about 80 percent of the time, and deliver a warhead of about one ton, to a range of some 1,700 kilometers, to within a hundred meters of where it was aimed. By world standards, this is a pretty effective weapon. A solid fuel version of this missile would be, if the solid fuel was of reasonable quality, about ten percent more reliable than liquid fuel, and easier to hide and launch.

850 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:01:12am

re: #839 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm trying really hard not to make a "pearl necklace" joke in this thread. ;)

Well, this song has been flitting through my head.


851 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:02:04am

re: #841 buzzsawmonkey

Was anybody named O. Henry lurking nearby?

In the meantime, have you had any other experiences of successful visualization/actualization? Do you have an agent? We have the makings of a self-help book here.

lol, oddly i have had this happen to me before.
but is very serendipitous.
it has to happen out of the corner of your eye when you are skipping along joyfully like a 12 yr. old in new 2 dollar tennis shoes.

852 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:02:06am

I read something incredibly stupid on DU today (surprise!)

In a thread about 0's older daughter one of the morons posted about looking forward to voting for her for president someday. Another one replied that 0's daughter is already more qualifed to be president than Palin. And he or she was probablt serious.

853 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:02:51am
854 avanti  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:02:54am

re: #809 Walter L. Newton

PAST POTUS... so Nate has predetermined that a POTUS should track 52% by midterm. So, it doesn't matter to Nate if the president is really good or really shitty, he says because he's seen 52% in the past, it sould track that now.

I call bullshit. So, he averages and weighs his polls according to a flawed idea. Are you saying that of Obama totally tanks, his approval rating will still be around 52%, as per Nate?

If you answer YES to the above paragraph, I want to play some poker with you.

I did not say that. Past POTUS's tend to poll high over their honeymoon, then drop to somewhere around the level of the voter support they had. Of course that can go way up as Bush did after 9-11, or down as it did after the Iraq war.
If BHO does not excite or disappoint his base, he should normally drop to a average level.

855 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:04:11am

Sports Nerd Corner:


Well Cubs fans, big money starting pitcher Ryan Dempster is now on the DL with a broken toe.


How did said toe become broken? Dempster was goofing around by the dugout and decided to jump the railing for grins. He did not make it. Ergo, toe broken.

That is so "Cubs".

In the mean time the White Sox have quietly won something like 16 out of their last 22.

856 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:04:13am

re: #853 buzzsawmonkey
Down right Prophetic...

857 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:04:19am

re: #835 sattv4u2

Hi approval rating will stay surprisingly good for a while, as long as the media spin can keep it up. But sooner or later the people will wake up and notice was a mess we are in AND how badly Obama's policies failed. Then his numbers will plummet. And sadly, it may take a horrible catastrophe to make the break through.

858 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:04:22am

re: #837 Ben Hur

Probably a Joo.

Definitely a Democrat.

859 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:04:38am
860 LGoPs  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:04:58am

re: #852 Mad Al-Jaffee

I read something incredibly stupid on DU today (surprise!)

In a thread about 0's older daughter one of the morons posted about looking forward to voting for her for president someday. Another one replied that 0's daughter is already more qualifed to be president than Palin. And he or she was probablt serious.

I would like to think that when the pendulum swings back and conservatives are in charge we pass a law outlawing leftists. And when they complain we can say "Fuck you, We Won".
Just a fantasy.

861 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:05:06am

re: #848 Mad Al-Jaffee

Lots of Good Humor being posted today.

Ben & Jerry would be proud.

862 turn  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:05:24am

Fuck, blew the back side out of my pressure transducer. Back to the drawing board. bbml

863 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:05:32am

i think my boyfriend is subbing for rush today.
(mark steyn)
listen, if you can. he has a great sense of humor and offers tips like if you're having teeth problems, super glue is your friend.
lol

864 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:06:15am

re: #853 buzzsawmonkey

I haven't seen that one, but I just added it to my Netflix queue. Upding for that.

I also saw that several Sellers movies (including Dr. Strangelove) are available to watch online for free.

865 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:06:16am

re: #861 midwestgak

You're Haagen Daas thread...

866 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:06:24am

re: #850 MandyManners

Don't know if you're aware, but that's one of those expressions that has another meaning. Go ahead an google it if you care to risk the blush...

867 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:06:35am

re: #842 aggieann

My hubby swears he once overheard an airhead saying she would never buy a Dooney & Burke purse because she felt sorry for all those ducks . . .

And chocolate milk comes from brown cows!
/

868 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:06:40am

re: #841 buzzsawmonkey

Was anybody named O. Henry lurking nearby?

In the meantime, have you had any other experiences of successful visualization/actualization? Do you have an agent? We have the makings of a self-help book here.

Already written. It's called "The Secret".

869 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:07:10am

re: #862 turn

Fuck, blew the back side out of my pressure transducer. Back to the drawing board. bbml

whoa Whoa WHOA!

Waaay too much information!

870 avanti  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:07:41am

re: #817 Kenneth

Nice to see the Obama's are so "of the people" that they can buy $900 purses when the rest of the country are struggling to put anything in there own purses.

"Let them eat waffles"

I guess that's the liberal in me too. I watch high rollers down $1000 bottles of wine and resent their success even though I might do the same if I was wealthy.
Most POTUS's are well off, and I guess I don't expect them to live at my level. expect

871 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:07:50am

re: #861 midwestgak

Ben & Jerry would be proud.

I'm Baskin in these puns and I'm thinking of Robbin some to use on another blog.

872 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:07:55am

re: #853 buzzsawmonkey

Great film!

873 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:08:00am

re: #854 avanti

I did not say that. Past POTUS's tend to poll high over their honeymoon, then drop to somewhere around the level of the voter support they had. Of course that can go way up as Bush did after 9-11, or down as it did after the Iraq war.
If BHO does not excite or disappoint his base, he should normally drop to a average level.

The drop we are seeing is not normal. How about that? And it will continue to track down, sans whatever Nate of anyone has to say, including you.

His true worthlessness and lack of any skills to be president is starting to become very apparent even to his own supporters.

And add to that the numerous broken promises that he has already handed to his BASE, he's on a downward spiral.

You backed the wrong horse.

874 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:08:58am

re: #866 Kenneth

Don't know if you're aware, but that's one of those expressions that has another meaning. Go ahead an google it if you care to risk the blush...

*blush*

875 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:09:54am
876 avanti  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:10:34am

re: #857 Kenneth

Hi approval rating will stay surprisingly good for a while, as long as the media spin can keep it up. But sooner or later the people will wake up and notice was a mess we are in AND how badly Obama's policies failed. Then his numbers will plummet. And sadly, it may take a horrible catastrophe to make the break through.

I think it's locked to the success/failure of his liberal agenda. If the economy does turn around, and, or, the rest of his programs turn out well, he's golden.
If the economy does not recover by fall, he'll drop like a rock.

877 LGoPs  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:10:41am

re: #871 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm Baskin in these puns and I'm thinking of Robbin some to use on another blog.

You're surpirsingly full of good humor today...

878 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:10:57am

re: #875 buzzsawmonkey

I moved it to #1 on my queue. I'm pretty good with British slang, mate.

879 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:11:04am

re: #867 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And chocolate milk comes from brown cows!
/

Had a series of commercials for chocolate milk featuring brown cows. I feel sorry for all the poor impressionable people out there some days.

880 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:11:52am

re: #876 avanti

Yes, but the liberal media will cover for him for as long as they can. Eventually, the people will clue up.

881 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:11:52am

re: #879 BlueCanuck

Had a series of commercials for chocolate milk featuring brown cows. I feel sorry for all the poor impressionable people out there some days.

And brown eggs from brown chickens.

882 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:11:54am

re: #835 sattv4u2

You still don't "get it", do you. It's not the % per se, it's in HOW that % is derived at

What that means

Obama had an approval in the high 60%. His disapproval was 25-28%
NOW, his approval is in the low 60%, but his DISAPPROVAL is up in the 40% range, meaning many of those that were in the middle but voted for him afor "CHANGE" are now seeing the Emporere has no clothes. His die-hard suppoters stil;l back him, his die-hard detractors still abhor him. He is losing the middle

In other words, the trend has a definite direction. That direction is downward relative to approval.

883 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:12:03am

re: #871 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm Baskin in these puns and I'm thinking of Robbin some to use on another blog.

You reply with Sonic speed.

884 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:12:06am

re: #877 LGoPs

You're surpirsingly full of good humor today...

deja vu

885 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:12:11am

re: #878 Mad Al-Jaffee

I loved hangin out with the brits and doing a little bird watching. ;)

886 LGoPs  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:12:59am

re: #884 Mad Al-Jaffee

deja vu

Sorry. Did you use that already? My apologies.
:)

887 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:13:04am

re: #883 midwestgak

You reply with Sonic speed.

Somehow I'm just churning them out today.

888 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:13:27am

re: #870 avanti

I guess that's the liberal in me too. I watch high rollers down $1000 bottles of wine and resent their success even though I might do the same if I was wealthy.
Most POTUS's are well off, and I guess I don't expect them to live at my level. expect

I think I'm gonna puke.

889 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:13:36am

re: #866 Kenneth

Don't know if you're aware, but that's one of those expressions that has another meaning. Go ahead an google it if you care to risk the blush...

Oh.

890 LGoPs  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:13:59am

re: #887 Mad Al-Jaffee

Somehow I'm just churning them out today.

You butter keep it up.

891 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:14:14am

re: #881 Alouette

And brown eggs from brown chickens.

Brown's Chicken laid no egg.

892 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:14:21am

re: #888 VegasRick

I think I'm gonna puke.

Just don't puke after you polish off a $1000 bottle of wine. I would resent that.

893 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:14:27am

re: #890 LGoPs

You butter keep it up.

I hope to post whey more today.

894 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:14:42am

re: #876 avanti

I think it's locked to the success/failure of his liberal agenda. If the economy does turn around, and, or, the rest of his programs turn out well, he's golden.
If the economy does not recover by fall, he'll drop like a rock.

well, what is it, 52% or drop like a rock. You are making my point. Just because there has been a general tracking at 52% by mid term, after the honeymoon period, past averages mean nothing at the present moment.

Ya, 6 years down the road, if Obama manages to hold his own, then his figure may be around 52%. But that figure only matter AFTER THE POINT.

Right now he's tracking DOWN. There is NO WAY you can suggest that he will stabilize at 52%. There are totally too many variables involved.

What you are really saying is you HOPE it stabilizes at 52% otherwise you are going to have to CHANGE your opinion of him.

Get ready!

895 LGoPs  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:14:59am

re: #893 Mad Al-Jaffee

I hope to post whey more today.

if only you kurd...

896 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:15:08am

I'm gonna' go hide in the corner.

897 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:15:37am

re: #893 Mad Al-Jaffee

Curd you please lay off the icecream talk...
I'm having a craving...

898 avanti  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:15:39am

re: #873 Walter L. Newton

The drop we are seeing is not normal. How about that? And it will continue to track down, sans whatever Nate of anyone has to say, including you.

I know you distrust polling, history and Nate's statistical breakdown, but it might just be the equal of your personal opinion. Only time will tell who is more correct. So far, his honeymoon polling his dead normal based on history:

Polling

899 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:15:47am

re: #882 SixDegrees

In other words, the trend has a definite direction. That direction is downward relative to approval.

His 'approval" has decreased only 6-7%. Understandable post "honeymoon"

His DIASAPPROVAL has risen about 20%. Thats policy related

900 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:15:54am

re: #892 BigPapa

Just don't puke after you polish off a $1000 bottle of wine. I would resent that.

The guy is such an asshole.

901 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:15:55am

re: #895 LGoPs

Dooh!

902 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:16:10am

re: #891 midwestgak

Brown's Chicken laid no egg.

Brown chicken, brown cow?

/had to be done. :D

903 laZardo  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:16:29am

Headin to bed. Check my #456 for some weird art. Cheers!

904 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:16:43am

re: #889 MandyManners

Oh.

The things one can learn here at LGF!

905 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:16:45am

re: #882 SixDegrees

re: #899 sattv4u2

His 'approval" has decreased only 6-7%. Understandable post "honeymoon"

His DIASAPPROVAL has risen about 20%. Thats policy related


I'll say it again , he's losing the middle

906 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:17:05am

re: #893 Mad Al-Jaffee

I hope to post whey more today.

Curdle you be more specific?

907 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:18:05am

Dairy puns? I don't know that we've dung those before.

908 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:18:13am

re: #906 midwestgak

Curdle you be more specific?

Not right now - it's just about lunch time. Brie back soon.

909 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:19:01am

re: #896 MandyManners

I think I can see you blushing all the way from here.

910 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:19:39am

re: #898 avanti

please read and respond to my #835

911 3 wood  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:23:34am

re: #876 avanti

If the economy does not recover by fall, he'll drop like a rock.

Based on all the econometrics I'm looking (which is the data this Administration does not apparently realize exists cause they are always looking in the rear view mirror), I'd be betting on the horse called "Rock".

The market is saying the same thing.

912 avanti  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:25:04am

re: #899 sattv4u2

His 'approval" has decreased only 6-7%. Understandable post "honeymoon"

His DIASAPPROVAL has risen about 20%. Thats policy related

You are dead nuts on, he's losing some of the middle and most of the right. He won't stay well above 50% unless that stops. Bush's approval was still in the70's on the right when he was in the 20"s overall, so you need more then your base.
The middle is fickle, they'll swing with the market for example.

913 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:26:08am

re: #898 avanti

I know you distrust polling, history and Nate's statistical breakdown, but it might just be the equal of your personal opinion. Only time will tell who is more correct. So far, his honeymoon polling his dead normal based on history:

Polling

I don't care. He's tracking downward NOW. Only after everything is all over, and he does average out to 52%, then fine, Nate is right again.

But, NOW is now and the future and past has NOTHING to do with what is currently happen. There are thousands of variable that can effect the outcome.

You are betting on supposition, an average that can be skewed at any momment. I am betting on actual facts, as they happen NOW, real time.

I win!

914 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:26:15am

re: #862 turn

Fuck, blew the back side out of my pressure transducer. Back to the drawing board. bbml

Is that in reference to the fart thread topic we had going on earlier?

915 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:27:58am

re: #891 midwestgak

Brown's Chicken laid no egg.

Yeah, but it had a cask of Portillo in the basement.

916 avanti  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:31:55am

re: #911 3 wood

Based on all the econometrics I'm looking (which is the data this Administration does not apparently realize exists cause they are always looking in the rear view mirror), I'd be betting on the horse called "Rock".

The market is saying the same thing.

You may well be right. Your opinion is based on facts, mine is largely on hope, but both effect the economy. We can revisit the issue now and then, and see if how it's going. I'm still bullish, but I'll admit it may be irrational.

917 Gang of One  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:39:41am

re: #911 3 wood

Based on all the econometrics I'm looking (which is the data this Administration does not apparently realize exists cause they are always looking in the rear view mirror), I'd be betting on the horse called "Rock".

The market is saying the same thing.

I've heard it said that the market is not the economy and the economy is not the market. Do you think this is becoming an obsolete axiom? IOW, are the two now becoming more or less the same thing? Honest question.

918 Gang of One  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:41:31am

re: #916 avanti

You may well be right. Your opinion is based on facts, mine is largely on hope, but both effect the economy. We can revisit the issue now and then, and see if how it's going. I'm still bullish, but I'll admit it may be irrational.

This will soon change.

919 jvic  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:47:28am

re: #896 MandyManners

I'm gonna' go hide in the corner.

Into the corner then, you uncool person. You're not hip to the sexualizing of our culture. Shame on you. (Oops.) You're just not with it.

Seriously, why should you hide in the corner?

920 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:35:07am

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

Barack
Won't you buy me
A night on the town?
Rich people have money
Won't you shake 'em down?
Raised ghost voters for you,
so you'd wear the crown.
Barack
Won't you buy me
A night on the town?

Excellent! LOL


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