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My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

Hedley Lamarr, Blazing Saddles

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1 Macker  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:05:58pm

Dang. 7 days to go till I move out from the a**hole roommate and his shack-up girlfriend.
I can't wait.

2 jcm  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:06:24pm
3 Syrah  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:06:37pm

re: #1 Macker

Dang. 7 days to go till I move out from the a**hole roommate and his shack-up girlfriend.
I can't wait.

Why wait?

4 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:07:38pm

re: #1 Macker

Dang. 7 days to go till I move out from the a**hole roommate and his shack-up girlfriend.
I can't wait.

But only 3 more days (including today) until all the videos are posted!

We've already been through these 70 videos:

100 - Green Day, Basket Case
99 - DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, Parents Just Don't Understand
98 - REM, Everybody Hurts
97 - Human League, Don't You Want Me
96 - The Replacements, Bastards of Young
95 - George Michael, Faith
94 - Wyclef Jean, Gone 'Til November
93 - U2, Sunday Bloody Sunday
92 - LL Cool J, Going Back to Cali
91 - Prince and the Revolution, 1999
90 - Lenny Kravitz, Are You Gonna Go My Way
89 - They Might Be Giants, Don't Let's Start
88 - Janet Jackson, Love Will Never Do (Without You)
87 - The Prodigy, Firestarter
86 - Billy Idol, Cradle of Love
85 - Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Don't Come Around Here No More
84 - Method Man & Mary J. Blige, 84-I'll Be There For You / You're All I Need To Get By
83 - Godley & Creme, Cry
82 - Def Leppard, Pour Some Sugar on Me
81 - Twisted Sister, We're Not Gonna Take It
80 - The Cure, Close to Me
79 - Fiona Apple, Criminal
78 - Adam Ant, Goody Two Shoes
77 - Radiohead, Fake Plastic Trees
76 - Devo, Whip It
75 - Public Enemy, Fight the Power
74 - C+C Music Factory, Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now)
73 - Band Aid, Do They Know It's Christmas
72 - The Chemical Brothers, Setting Sun
71 - M. C. Hammer, U Can't Touch This
70 - New Order, True Faith
69 - Smashing Pumpkins, 1979
68 - Duran Duran, Girls on Film
67 - Don Henley, Boys of Summer
66 - The Beastie Boys, Fight For Your Right
65 - Garbage, Stupid Girl
64 - Beck, Loser
63 - Tone-Loc, Wild Thing
62 - U2, Where The Streets Have No Name
61 - Van Halen, Right Now
60 - 'til tuesday, Voices Carry
59 - En Vogue, My Lovin' (You're Never Gonna Get It)
58 - David Bowie, Ashes To Ashes
57 - Björk, It's Oh So Quiet
56 - Metallica, Enter Sandman
55 - David Lee Roth, Just A Gigolo/I Ain't Got Nobody
54 - Marilyn Manson, The Beautiful People
53 - Madness, Our House
52 - Lauryn Hill, Everything Is Everything
51 - Golden Earring, Twilight Zone
50 - Madonna, Lucky Star
49 - Paula Abdul, Straight Up
48 - Aerosmith, Janie's Got A Gun
47 - Talking Heads, Once In A Lifetime
46 - Fatboy Slim, Praise You
45 - Guns N' Roses, November Rain
44 - Janet Jackson, Rhythm Nation
43 - ZZ Top, Gimme All Your Lovin'
42 - Alanis Morisette, Ironic
41 - Bon Jovi, Wanted Dead or Alive
40 - TLC, Waterfalls
39 - Cyndi Lauper, Girls Just Want To Have Fun
38 - Metallica, One
36 - Red Hot Chili Peppers, Give It Away
35 - Michael Jackson, Billie Jean
34 - Sinead O'Connor, Nothing Compares 2 U
33 - Van Halen, Jump
32 - Dr. Dre with Snoop Doggy Dogg, Nuthin' But A 'G' Thang
31 - The Eurythmics, Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)

Let's get started with tonight's videos, 30 through 21!

5 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:07:49pm

hoooah...overnight

6 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:07:56pm
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.


Boobs?

7 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:08:00pm

Supermax prison: Obama's books objectionable

The federal government's most secure prison has determined that two books written by President Barack Obama contain material "potentially detrimental to national security" and rejected an inmate's request to read them.

Ahmed Omar Abu Ali is serving a 30-year sentence at the federal supermax prison in Florence, Colo., for joining al-Qaida and plotting to assassinate then-President George W. Bush. Last year, Abu Ali requested two books written by Obama: "Dreams from My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope."

But prison officials, citing guidance from the FBI, determined that passages in both books contain information that could damage national security.

A prison spokeswoman referred questions to the FBI, where a spokeswoman was looking into the matter Thursday evening.

/well, that makes sense, after all, Obama has done everything within his power to damage national security ever since he took office

8 mikalm  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:08:35pm

"You use yer tongue prettier'n a twenty-dollar whore!"

9 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:08:56pm

Slim Pickens: Ditto!

10 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:08:59pm

re: #7 Killian Bundy

Huh? As an author, he's a national security risk, but as a president he's all heopey 'n changey? WTF?

11 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:09:19pm

#30 is a cartoon video featuring kids. So, it must be a kid's cartoon, right?

Not exactly - it's Korn's Freak On A Leash!

12 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:09:38pm

re: #5 mrshankly01


/Monosyllabic grunt in the affirmative.

13 mikalm  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:10:11pm

re: #9 BatGuano

His greatest roles: Blazing Saddles and Dr. Strangelove.

14 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:10:29pm

re: #12 Fenway_Nation
overnight is just so relaxed.

15 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:10:36pm

re: #2 jcm

It's such a shame that they can't really even rerun that movie anymore. SAme with All in the Family. Just not PC anymore.

16 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:10:53pm

re: #8 mikalm

"You use yer tongue prettier'n a twenty-dollar whore!"

That's HEDLEY!

17 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:11:02pm

re: #13 mikalm

That's right!

18 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:11:27pm

"I want my MTV!"

That's not only MTV's most famous motto, but a lyric from #29. Like #30, it's animated, but this time with computer graphics.

Yep, it's time for Dire Straits' Money for Nothing:

19 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:12:29pm

re: #14 mrshankly01


BTW, since you've been to Ft. Stewart more recently than I have, Mr Shankly, could you answer me this?

Does that tanker's motor pool still have that huge freeway sign from the Iraq/Kuwait border measuring the distance to Basra and Baghdad?

20 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:13:55pm

#28 is a video where . . . um . . . well . . . I'm not really sure what's supposed to be going on. I even tried to post on LGF, and the LGF video server couldn't figure it out!

How about we just call it Rockit by Herbie Hancock?

21 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:14:14pm

re: #19 Fenway_Nation


I do not know. I assumed that it was 1-64's motorpool that had it. I was in 4-64 and it didn't have it as of 2008.
I did cross that border a few times though. It was a great feeling pulling on the Kuwait side.

22 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:14:19pm

re: #18 gmsc

It probably took a farm of SGI mainframes days to render that back then too.

23 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:15:31pm

re: #4 gmsc

Dance, Lizards, Dance.

24 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:15:34pm

re: #19 Fenway_Nation

1-64 Armor still had the T-72 in its front lawn, though.

25 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:15:36pm

re: #1 Macker

Dang. 7 days to go till I move out from the a**hole roommate and his shack-up girlfriend.
I can't wait.

what will you do for entertainment?

26 jcm  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:15:43pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

It's such a shame that they can't really even rerun that movie anymore. SAme with All in the Family. Just not PC anymore.

Too true, even when it's a complete send up of everything....

Gonna' have to watch it again soon.

27 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:15:55pm

re: #22 ArchangelMichael

It probably took a farm of SGI mainframes days to render that back then too.

Nowadays, when you get a video like that on your desktop computer, it's just because it's a quick rendering in "Preview Mode".
;)

28 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:16:21pm

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Boobs?

tit's a different subject entirely

29 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:16:25pm

#27 served as LL Cool J's comeback video.

Don't call it a comeback! Mama Said Knock You Out!

30 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:17:19pm

re: #29 gmsc

i've been here for years.

31 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:17:33pm

re: #23 Pvt Bin Jammin

Dance, Lizards, Dance.

Which, strangely, didn't make it into the top 100, but is a good music video nonetheless:

32 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:17:50pm

re: #26 jcm

Too true, even when it's a complete send up of everything....

Gonna' have to watch it again soon.

The hot ticket in Mexico is "Speedy Gonzales"..banned in the USA, Go figure?

33 sngnsgt  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:18:41pm

re: #28 redc1c4

My favorite subject.

34 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:19:10pm

re: #33 sngnsgt

My favorite subject.

i try to keep abreast on the subject myself....

35 jcm  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:19:58pm

re: #32 Pvt Bin Jammin

The hot ticket in Mexico is "Speedy Gonzales"..banned in the USA, Go figure?

Youtube!

36 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:20:30pm

re: #31 gmsc

Dang, that's a wierd one. LOL

37 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:20:57pm

We haven't seen a Guns N' Roses video since #45's November Rain.

It's about time to bring them back, don't you think? At #26, for their second (and not last) appearance on this list, it's Welcome To The Jungle:

38 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:21:27pm

re: #21 mrshankly01

Big, blue, written in English and Arabic and had the distance to Basrah, Baghdad and one more city written on it.....

Dang....I wasn't even a tanker, but I was overwhelmed with this sense of pride tempered with the fact that there was unfinished business over there whenever I saw that sign.

39 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:21:40pm

re: #34 redc1c4

easy to get a handle off if you work at it

40 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:21:44pm

re: #36 Pvt Bin Jammin

Dang, that's a wierd one. LOL

Haven't you ever seen the movie Labyrinth? Very fun, and very strange!

It stars Jennifer Connelly, who was only about 17 at the time.

41 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:21:53pm

re: #35 jcm

Youtube!

[Video]

We got the whole series from our American friend who comes from Mexico City.

42 jcm  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:22:05pm

G'night Honcos!

All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from the downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation.
John Adams

43 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:22:06pm

re: #39 mrshankly01

easy to get a handle off of if you work at it

44 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:22:59pm

re: #40 gmsc

Haven't you ever seen the movie Labyrinth? Very fun, and very strange!

It stars Jennifer Connelly, who was only about 17 at the time.

I've never seen that movie. I must be a nerd.

45 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:24:06pm

For the longest time, #25 was my personal all-time favorite music video. I still hold it in very high regard!

Like Money for Nothing, from earlier tonight, it has become one of those videos you first think of when you think of 80's music videos.

You Might Think, by The Cars:

46 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:24:33pm

re: #42 jcm
Tat is so very true. Sweet dreams. JCM.

47 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:24:39pm

re: #38 Fenway_Nation
yea, they still have the same signs in Iraq.
i know what you mean about unfinished business. the post Charles put up earlier
Totten

was really nice to read. it is a great feeling to see that stuff in writing.

48 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:24:40pm

re: #44 Pvt Bin Jammin

I've never seen that movie. I must be a nerd.

If you haven't seen Labyrinth, you cannot be a nerd by definition.
;)

49 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:26:20pm

re: #48 gmsc

You are quaking me up.

50 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:26:37pm

re: #44 Pvt Bin Jammin

I've never seen that movie. I must be a nerd.

Here's where you can watch it. Set some time aside and watch it when you get a chance.

51 esch  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:26:57pm

re: #40 gmsc

Haven't you ever seen the movie Labyrinth? Very fun, and very strange!

It stars Jennifer Connelly, who was only about 17 at the time.

I think that movie kickstarted me into puberty. I couldn't believe she got a reduction.

Bowie rocked, but really one of the coolest parts of that movie for me was Michael Moschen (the 'balls' guy).

52 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:28:34pm

re: #51 esch

I think that movie kickstarted me into puberty. I couldn't believe she got a reduction.

Bowie rocked, but really one of the coolest parts of that movie for me was Michael Moschen (the 'balls' guy).

Just think - his biggest movie role was as David Bowie's hands.

53 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:29:25pm

re: #50 gmsc

I'll check it out. Thanks. Can't believe I missed it.

54 Syrah  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:29:56pm

Corey Hart - Sunglasses At Night

55 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:30:34pm

Last night, I made the cryptic comment that one of tonight's videos would feature the world's coolest floor.

#24 is here to explain that comment.

It's Jamiroquai, singing Virtual Insanity!

56 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:30:49pm

re: #54 Syrah

Corey Hart - Sunglasses At Night


[Video]

Embedding disabled.

57 esch  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:32:26pm

re: #52 gmsc

Just think - his biggest movie role was as David Bowie's hands.

Must....resist....bad....puns...ARGH!

OTOH, he did do a bunch of public TV things and toured for years. So I think he made out pretty well.

58 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:33:12pm

re: #39 mrshankly01

easy to get a handle off if you work at it

wood that i could, but i brassierly have time to contemplate that which has caused the cleavage between my desires and my reality.

59 Syrah  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:33:15pm

re: #56 gmsc

Embedding disabled.

double click - takes you to youtube.

60 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:33:16pm

re: #56 gmsc

I think you can just right click and look at the whole thing.

61 esch  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:33:39pm

Well, gotta fall over now. Night all!

62 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:34:01pm

re: #61 esch

Well, gotta fall over now. Night all!

G'Nite, esch!

63 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:34:36pm

re: #61 esch

Well, gotta fall over now. Night all!

I am right behind you. Have a great day!

64 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:34:37pm

#23 has a list of credits that's far long than its short title.

The artists? The Notorious B.I.G. with Puff Daddy & Mase

The title? Mo' Money Mo' Problems

65 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:37:30pm

re: #50 gmsc

Here's where you can watch it. Set some time aside and watch it when you get a chance.

i read the synopsis...... or, at least as much as i could stand.

i'll pass.

66 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:38:37pm

#22 is not by Pearl Jam, but Pearl Jam was inspired to write a song about a character from this video. The Pearl Jam song is called "Bee Girl".

The video that inspired them? Blind Melon's No Rain:

67 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:39:10pm

re: #57 esch

Must....resist....bad....puns...ARGH!

OTOH, he did do a bunch of public TV things and toured for years. So I think he made out pretty well.

no such thing as a 'bad pun'..... horrible, terrible, execrable, etc, yes.... but bad?

know.

68 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:39:44pm

re: #67 redc1c4

no such thing as a 'bad pun'..... horrible, terrible, execrable, etc, yes.... but bad?

know.

A good pun is its own reword.

69 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:40:39pm

just curious: after we've gone through the top 100 favorite videos, can we do the "best 100"?

70 zombie  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:41:28pm

People of Earth!

I demand your attention!

Actually, I need you as guinea pigs and volunteer editors.

For the last several days, I have been working on and off on a report about John Holdren, Obama's "Science Czar." I'm pretty much "done" with the report, at least I think I am, but I want to make sure there's nothing completely embarrassing about it before I unleash it on the world. And so, I turn to you, the Lizard Nation, as my "early adopters," and give you "firsties" on the report!

Here is the link to it. I allow you to view it on one condition: You give me your opinion of it! Tell where I've gone wrong, tell me where I've misspelled, tell me where my whole approach is off-target. Be brutal. Be honest. Because I want this to stand the test of time:

John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet

Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A "Planetary Regime" with the power of life and death over American citizens.

The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?

These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology -- informally known as the United States' Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:

• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put in the nation's drinking water or in food;
• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their wills and given away to other couples to raise;
• People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
• A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.

Impossible, you say? That must be an exaggeration or a hoax. No one in their right mind would say such things.

Well, I hate to break the news to you, but it is no hoax, no exaggeration. John Holdren really did say those things, and this report contains the proof. Below you will find photographs, scans, and transcriptions of pages in the book Ecoscience, co-authored in 1977 by John Holdren and his close colleagues Paul Ehrlich and Anne Ehrlich. The scans and photos are provided to supply conclusive evidence that the words attributed to Holdren are unaltered and accurately transcribed.
...etc.

71 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:42:16pm

re: #66 gmsc

On that note, I am to bed. LOL

Nite, lizards.

72 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:43:07pm

re: #71 Pvt Bin Jammin

On that note, I am to bed. LOL

Nite, lizards.

G'Nite, PBJ!

73 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:43:19pm

re: #70 zombie

wow, "brave new world" follower.

74 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:43:33pm

re: #68 gmsc

A good pun is its own reword.

whereas a bad pun results in shattered glass

75 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:43:59pm

If you can ignore the desperate plea for attention added to the beginning of this video by the submitter, tonight's last video is great.

We close out tonight with one more animated video. This one was animated with the rather unusual tool of a Xerox machine.

#21 is actually 2 videos in one - Need You Tonight and Meditate, both by INXS:

76 eddiespaghetti  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:44:21pm

Go Lance, entering the Pyrenees, beat up those Euro-monkeys!~

[Link: www.versus.com...]

77 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:44:41pm

re: #70 zombie

let me know how to find you in the camps, so i can break you out.

78 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:45:02pm

re: #74 redc1c4

whereas a bad pun results in shattered glass

79 gmsc  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:45:49pm

re: #69 redc1c4

just curious: after we've gone through the top 100 favorite videos, can we do the "best 100"?

It's a lot easier to define "popular" or "favorite" than it is "best", but go ahead if you want to.

80 Syrah  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:47:35pm

Suzanne Vega - Tom's Diner

81 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:49:35pm

re: #77 redc1c4

let me know how to find you in the camps, so i can break you out.

He'll be the one that looks like Harry Dean Stanton up against the fence screaming AVENGE ME!

82 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:50:27pm

re: #77 redc1c4

oh man, i can't wait to see the pictures from inside the camps on his website...

83 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:52:22pm

re: #79 gmsc

It's a lot easier to define "popular" or "favorite" than it is "best", but go ahead if you want to.

i was thinking more along the lines of "100 best songs" from 'time period x'

case in point

84 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:52:38pm

re: #70 zombie

I don't see anything that can be considered embarrassing in it so far. My only concern is whether or not Holdren has made comments or writings since then where he changes his mind or backtracks on this.

IMO even if he did, the fact that he EVER thought like this should be enough for him to be disqualified for an executive branch appointment, but others may use it to minimize or disregard it as "outdated."

85 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:53:55pm

re: #82 mrshankly01

oh man, i can't wait to see the pictures from inside the camps on his website...

how many 11/19 series do you think it will take to equal a camp full of acornites?

86 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:54:48pm

re: #85 redc1c4

two. the tanker will be sleeping though

87 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:54:53pm

re: #84 ArchangelMichael

I don't see anything that can be considered embarrassing in it so far. My only concern is whether or not Holdren has made comments or writings since then where he changes his mind or backtracks on this.

IMO even if he did, the fact that he EVER thought like this should be enough for him to be disqualified for an executive branch appointment, but others may use it to minimize or disregard it as "outdated."

it'll just be another case of nuance........

did you hear the latest about Palin?

88 Syrah  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:55:09pm

re: #75 gmsc

I played with Xerox art back in college. It made some amazing distortions as you repeated copying images and enlargements.

89 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:55:18pm

re: #86 mrshankly01

(that is coming from a tanker too...we like our shut-eye)

90 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:55:40pm

re: #86 mrshankly01

two. the tanker will be sleeping though

19D, not E or K or what have you......

Scouts Out!

91 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:56:17pm

re: #87 redc1c4

it'll just be another case of nuance........

did you hear the latest about Palin?

Exactly. Look over there.... Chewbacca defense.

92 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:58:22pm

re: #90 redc1c4

well, i was a Scout PL in Iraq for a tour, but I am tanker in heart, love those tanks. (and so do the 11 C and M in the early morning when they have to dry out their sleeping bags)

93 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:59:00pm

re: #70 zombie

Well, that's a bombshell, if ever there was one. Wow.

This is probably a stupid question, but you know without a doubt that it is the same man, correct?

94 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:59:42pm

re: #90 redc1c4

19 E. good lord, you dated yourself, man.

95 gmsc  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:00:00am

Today in History, July 10th:

Highlights of this day in history: Start of World War II's Battle of Britain; Telstar satellite launched; Millard Fillmore becomes President; Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev killed; Singer Arlo Guthrie born; Cartoon voice Mel Blanc dies.

Other notable July 10th events include:

988 – The city of Dublin is founded on the banks of the river Liffey.

1553 – Lady Jane Grey takes the throne of England.

1821 – The United States takes possession of its newly bought territory of Florida from Spain.

1890 – Wyoming is admitted as the 44th U.S. state.

1913 – Death Valley, California hits 134 °F (~56.7 °C), which is the highest temperature recorded in the United States.

1925 – Scopes Trial: In Dayton, Tennessee, the so-called "Monkey Trial" begins with John T. Scopes, a young high school science teacher, is accused of teaching evolution in violation of the Butler Act.

1966 – The Chicago Freedom Movement, lead by Martin Luther King, held a rally at Soldier Field in Chicago, Illinois. As many as 60,000 people came to hear Dr. King as well as Mahalia Jackson, Stevie Wonder, and Peter Paul and Mary.

1978 – World News Tonight premieres on ABC.

1991 – Boris Yeltsin begins his 5-year term as the first elected President of Russia.

1992 – In Miami, Florida, former Panamanian leader Manuel Noriega is sentenced to 40 years in prison for drug and racketeering violations.

96 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:00:03am

re: #94 mrshankly01
/s

97 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:00:29am

re: #89 mrshankly01

(that is coming from a tanker too...we like our shut-eye)

Murphy's Laws of Armor as originally found on alt.folklore.military and us.military.army, then published in the Armor Magazine, with following attribution due to my good friend and Master Gunner.

98 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:01:05am

re: #84 ArchangelMichael

I don't see anything that can be considered embarrassing in it so far. My only concern is whether or not Holdren has made comments or writings since then where he changes his mind or backtracks on this.

IMO even if he did, the fact that he EVER thought like this should be enough for him to be disqualified for an executive branch appointment, but others may use it to minimize or disregard it as "outdated."

Exactly. I don't particularly care if he changed. That is horrifying.

99 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:01:53am

re: #97 redc1c4

oh yea, I know those well. i had #1 happen many times. my gunner, "stupid LT, why did you drink so much coffee"

100 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:06:21am

re: #94 mrshankly01

19 E. good lord, you dated yourself, man.

when i first made SP4 in '83, we had M48A3's in the CA ARNG. 20 years later, and still a SP4, without any busts and only one 60 day break, they were just getting M1-A1's......... i saw 48A3, A5, 60A1, A3, M1IP and A1.

mostly through my DST, as i was 11H, now 11Whatever..... %-)

101 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:07:21am

The harder u work, the more goes to others. I love this, it's awesome! Oh wait..

102 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:08:23am

re: #101 eddiespaghetti

The harder u work, the more goes to others. I love this, it's awesome! Oh wait..

crackhead..... %-)

103 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:08:28am

re: #100 redc1c4

as a hotel, you probably tried to kill all those tanks, too.

the 11Hs are now Charlies. No Hs or Ms anymore.

104 pat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:09:56am

Obama seems to have worn out the undecideds I am sure it has nothing to do with the privily this couple assume. /
Again America is saddled with Democratic grifters who mean to line their pockets while deconstructing America.

105 pat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:12:00am

re: #104 pat

Privilege

106 BatGuano  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:13:42am

re: #95 gmsc

1971- BatGuano toked his first doob. The rest is history.

107 gmsc  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:14:31am

re: #106 BatGuano

1971- BatGuano toked his first doob. The rest is history.

Howdy, BatGuano!

BTW, wasn't it you who requested "Losing My Religion" a while back?

108 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:16:32am

re: #70 zombie

Wow...that reminds me of the book Nature's End by Whitley Strieber. Some charismatic Jim Jones type in the not-too-distant future demands a lottery in which 1/3rd of the planet's population is supposed to off themselves.

109 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:16:43am

Oh crap, somebody just explained to me that the more I make the more I have to give to others (plus a carbon credit). I thought I was saving the erf from 2 degrees of anthropomorphic carbon credits. Who can I cut my check to? I feel so bad about my lifestyle, I even have a pool. Who can I console with? Very Sorry, Eddie

110 BatGuano  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:16:47am

re: #107 gmsc

Howdy, BatGuano!

BTW, wasn't it you who requested "Losing My Religion" a while back?

That is correct. My all time favorite music video.

111 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:17:09am

re: #100 redc1c4

ahh, SP4...sham sheild.

112 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:17:47am

re: #109 eddiespaghetti

what, i thought pools cooled the earth...nooooo

113 gmsc  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:18:15am

re: #110 BatGuano

That is correct. My all time favorite music video.

You might want to come by a little earlier tomorrow.

You know . . . just saying . . .

114 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:19:27am

re: #111 mrshankly01

ahh, SP4...sham sheild.

shield. i before e, except after c.

PIMF

115 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:19:53am

re: #103 mrshankly01

as a hotel, you probably tried to kill all those tanks, too.

the 11Hs are now Charlies. No Hs or Ms anymore.

back when i was young, and potentially had a career, not to mention a future, there were Bravos, your basic light weapon infantry, Charlies, who were what ever flavor of mortar section they got sent to (81 or 4Deuce), and Hotels, who were TOW or 'Heavy Anti-Armor Weapons Crewman, and, if you were going to active or certain CAPSTONE units, you could get the ASI to be "11H-10E9" for ITV training.... Dragon training was for selected Bravos, which got them a different ASI, which is disremember at this time.

things change......

116 BatGuano  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:20:55am

re: #113 gmsc

I receive your drift. I'll leave the money on the trash can. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink!

117 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:21:51am

re: #106 BatGuano

1971- BatGuano toked his first doob. The rest is history.

just for you

one part of many.....

118 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:21:57am

re: #115 redc1c4


actually, you are right. brain fart. everyone became Bravos except for the Charlies. They are still the Mortarmen. The Hotels and the Mikes became Bravos.
My bad.

119 gmsc  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:23:00am

re: #116 BatGuano

I receive your drift. I'll leave the money on the trash can. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink!

With that assurance, I shall say - Good night, all!

120 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:23:36am

re: #115 redc1c4
all the tankers became 19Ks.
Scouts are 19Ds still.

121 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:23:36am

re: #70 zombie

People like Holdren always seem to assume that they will be among those who are the decision makers. And that their views are always the correct ones.

122 BatGuano  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:24:56am

re: #119 gmsc

With that assurance, I shall say - Good night, all!

Goodnight, gmsc.

123 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:25:19am

re: #109 eddiespaghetti

"TV dinner by the pool,
I'm so glad I finished school..."

— Frank Zappa

124 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:26:21am

re: #112 mrshankly01

No, I was told I have to pay chlorine credits too, am I wrong? Chlorine breaks down at some point to Co2 and it must be taxes cause AL Gore won a medal some place (along with Yassar Arafat, what that is not good company?)...

125 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:27:10am

re: #119 gmsc

night gmsc. thanks for the vids again.

126 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:27:22am

re: #103 mrshankly01

as a hotel, you probably tried to kill all those tanks, too.

the 11Hs are now Charlies. No Hs or Ms anymore.

PS: i was a *really* good Hotel.... i could kill anything, and routinely gave the talks, training, etc..... and was always the GI pushed out to the evaluator.

somebody else got the promotions when they came down though.

after a shakeup, i did get, as a SP4(P), a SSG & SGT who were non-MOSQ, to train into their slots, but i wasn't good enough to get the bump to E-5.

/story of my life.

127 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:27:37am

re: #124 eddiespaghetti


didn't carter get one too.

128 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:27:59am

re: #123 Ojoe

skool, tank u.

129 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:28:01am

re: #118 mrshankly01

actually, you are right. brain fart. everyone became Bravos except for the Charlies. They are still the Mortarmen. The Hotels and the Mikes became Bravos.
My bad.

you were a PL: it is to be expected.......

/white smoke

%-)

130 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:30:13am

re: #126 redc1c4
i could never figure out the National Guard promotion policies. National Guard friends of mine would be junior 1LTs well into the time I was a CPT even though we were at the basic course together.

131 BatGuano  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:30:15am

re: #117 redc1c4

I was not at that event but I was in Springfield/Eugene at the time. Thanks.

132 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:31:42am

re: #70 zombie

Holdren fits right in with Obama being able to view a baby an "punishment".

This is the most life-denying administration I've ever seen.

The Pope will be calling the "One" on this in the near future when they meet, you may be certain.

These are frightening times IMHO.

133 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:31:49am

re: #129 redc1c4


haha. we called them crunchies anyway :P

134 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:32:51am

re: #127 mrshankly01

Yeah, but he really, really deserved it or something, cause he represented, like the Sinai and like Egypt, and he represented, like Colombia and, like Peru in some sort of elections, or something. It was awesome.

And Yasser Arafat did not die of aids, I don't care what you heard, it was natural causes, duh.

135 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:34:44am

re: #111 mrshankly01

ahh, SP4...sham sheild.

it may have been a localized failure, but it never seemed to protect me from being given assignments and duties well outside my pay grade. when you're at a SQDN LOGPAC, and the HHT rep is the only E-4 present, what does that tell you?

(and no, the unit was *not* FUBAR, only the HHT CO)

136 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:36:56am

re: #135 redc1c4

no, i know. the SP4 rank had many different levels of experience within it.

137 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:39:22am

re: #134 eddiespaghetti

he did a great job with the whole Iran thing when he was president, too.

138 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:41:17am

re: #137 mrshankly01

And the economy! Don't forget the economy!

139 BatGuano  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:42:10am

1979, I had the honor of seeing General Moshe Dayan at Cupertino's Flint Center.

140 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:43:07am

re: #137 mrshankly01

Que, Yasser had an effect on Iran? Except receiving arms shipments from them, what do you mean?

141 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:43:47am

re: #140 eddiespaghetti

carter.

142 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:43:57am

re: #133 mrshankly01

haha. we called them crunchies anyway :P

rather than tie up LGF with these trips down mammary lane, you can add @sbcglobal.net to my nik here.......

tit's okay with me if you don't though, after all:

"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear considerable watching."
Army Officer's Guide

143 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:45:15am

re: #140 eddiespaghetti

Got it, slow I am.

144 BatGuano  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:45:57am

re: #142 redc1c4

I heard that was written by Baron Von Steuben. Can you confirm?

145 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:48:30am

re: #142 redc1c4

wow, that quote is from 1863.
no officer I know today feels that way. and if they did, they wouldn't last long. the army is a pretty tight bond with the constant wars now.

146 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:49:54am

re: #84 ArchangelMichael

I don't see anything that can be considered embarrassing in it so far. My only concern is whether or not Holdren has made comments or writings since then where he changes his mind or backtracks on this

Agreed.

Not a bombshell, not embarrassing, and it's about to be blown out of proportion.

147 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:50:40am
148 freetoken  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:50:44am

re: #142 redc1c4

... trips down mammary lane, ...

You tempt me...


...but we already had a boob thread downstairs.

149 freetoken  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:51:38am

re: #146 iceweasel

Agreed.

Not a bombshell, not embarrassing, and it's about to be blown out of proportion.

And it has been discusses quite a bit, around the 'net, at the time of the confirmation hearing.

150 BatGuano  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:52:06am

re: #147 mrshankly01

Thank you. I was way off.

151 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:53:28am

re: #150 BatGuano

well, 1863 is closer to 1780 than 2009. so, not that far off.

152 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:53:43am

re: #149 freetoken

And it has been discusses quite a bit, around the 'net, at the time of the confirmation hearing.

Exactly. Not news, not a big deal, and not a problem.

Some who should know better are going to pretend it is, though. Look for some of the usual suspects to headline it.

153 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:54:02am

re: #144 BatGuano

I heard that was written by Baron Von Steuben. Can you confirm?

154 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:56:38am

re: #145 mrshankly01

wow, that quote is from 1863.
no officer I know today feels that way. and if they did, they wouldn't last long. the army is a pretty tight bond with the constant wars now.

i'd love to believe you, but as late as '03, i was still feeling the love.

not always, and mind you, i served many great officers, but still, there was some real mud amongst the gems.

/our side of the equation wasn't any better, if that helps. plenty EM's enforced that sterotype.

155 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:58:43am

Guess it's Nicolai Tesla's birthday or something...

156 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:58:55am

re: #146 iceweasel

Agreed.

Not a bombshell, not embarrassing, and it's about to be blown out of proportion.

what's wrong with that?..... paste it all into Word, sub "Sarah Palin" or variations as necessary and the release the results into the wild and let me know what the outcome is.

/horseshit.

157 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:00:56am

re: #156 redc1c4

what's wrong with that?..... paste it all into Word, sub "Sarah Palin" or variations as necessary and the release the results into the wild and let me know what the outcome is.

/horseshit.

No need to take my word for it. Freetoken already pointed it out.

Go looking. Check it out.

(weird that you feel the need to bring Palin in here. Why?)

158 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:01:03am

re: #148 freetoken

You tempt me...

...but we already had a boob thread downstairs.

call it an upswelling of opportunity......

159 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:06:21am

re: #157 iceweasel

No need to take my word for it. Freetoken already pointed it out.

Go looking. Check it out.

(weird that you feel the need to bring Palin in here. Why?)

what's 'weird' is that you can read the quotes here and not see anything wrong.....

Sarah is just my anti-moonbat.

160 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:07:46am

re: #159 redc1c4

.

Sarah is just my anti-moonbat.

Fair enough then. :)

161 BatGuano  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:09:36am

re: #153 redc1c4

Good question. :)

162 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:12:03am

re: #161 BatGuano

Good question. :)

bastage ate my reply....

I was SUTA that weekend, so i can't testify one way or another. by the by, i still haven't been paid for that drill, so when can i expect my check?

/

163 BatGuano  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:14:31am

re: #162 redc1c4

Say no more. I am curry up the banana patch. Nicholas aint wanky.

164 eddiespaghetti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:16:13am

I eat pieces of shit like U for breakfast:

Qut, G-night all, good luck Lance tomorrow, big day, watch VS~

165 freetoken  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:17:14am

re: #159 redc1c4

what's 'weird' is that you can read the quotes here and not see anything wrong.....

Perhaps you missed my point. Holdren has already said he no longer holds to the idea of an optimum population or that it is the function of government to make that choice. And that was discussed at the hearing and in some blogs and papers at that time.

And I've pointed this out to Zombie before, the first time he asked about input on the Holdren post.

166 freetoken  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:18:21am

re: #165 freetoken

PIMF "he" (in reference to Zombie) should be a "she/he/it".

167 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:24:15am

re: #164 eddiespaghetti

I eat pieces of shit like U for breakfast:


Qut, G-night all, good luck Lance tomorrow, big day, watch VS~

i've eaten shit for breakfast many times....... i was in the Army.

168 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:25:04am

re: #165 freetoken

Perhaps you missed my point. Holdren has already said he no longer holds to the idea of an optimum population or that it is the function of government to make that choice. And that was discussed at the hearing and in some blogs and papers at that time.

And I've pointed this out to Zombie before, the first time he asked about input on the Holdren post.

and we have his word for it that this is true...............

169 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:26:38am

re: #168 redc1c4

I coulda swore those were Mars Bars...

/

170 BatGuano  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:26:51am

Good night, all.

171 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:27:13am

re: #165 freetoken

Perhaps you missed my point. Holdren has already said he no longer holds to the idea of an optimum population or that it is the function of government to make that choice. And that was discussed at the hearing and in some blogs and papers at that time.

And I've pointed this out to Zombie before, the first time he asked about input on the Holdren post.

I didn't know about your posting history here in re: Holdren, but I did follow Holdren's confirmation and facts about Holdren closely -- this is most important to me.

And as you said: this was fully discussed elsewhere; it is not news; it is nothing to be concerned about (if it were, you better believe I'd be all over it)-- and some are going to persist in pretending it is a big deal.

172 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:27:21am

re: #170 BatGuano
night BG

173 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:27:42am

re: #170 BatGuano

Bye, BG!

174 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:28:13am

Sometimes looking for the truth can be a little like falling down the rabbit hole.

175 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:28:35am

re: #170 BatGuano

Fare the well, fecal byproduct of the bat's hindquarters!

176 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:29:07am

re: #169 Fenway_Nation

I coulda swore those were Mars Bars...

/

Can we post the Caddyshack pool scene now? That was a Mars Bar or something like it, wasn't it?

177 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:31:42am

Good night, Dung of the Chiroptera.

178 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:32:35am

re: #176 iceweasel

Can we post the Caddyshack pool scene now? That was a Mars Bar or something like it, wasn't it?


Baby Ruth, IIRC.

179 redc1c4  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:33:25am

re: #171 iceweasel

I didn't know about your posting history here in re: Holdren, but I did follow Holdren's confirmation and facts about Holdren closely -- this is most important to me.

And as you said: this was fully discussed elsewhere; it is not news; it is nothing to be concerned about (if it were, you better believe I'd be all over it)-- and some are going to persist in pretending it is a big deal.

and we have your word that this is all true......

180 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:34:58am

Since it is Tesla's birthday, does anyone remember the Idaho weather guy who was pushing the theory that the Japanese mob used a weather machine, made by Tesla, to make Hurricaine Katrina?

181 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:40:10am

re: #152 iceweasel


What if a nominee up for a cabinet-level position wrote some quasi-scholarly works advocating the forced abortions or sterilization of only certain types of people (black, hispanic, Jewish)? Would that be dismissed with 'That was 30+ years ago- it's a non-issue'....

Seriously considering something like that should be akin to KKK membership; i.e. I don't give a shit how long ago Robert Byrd was in the Klan- the shelf life for that shit is more than 30 years....

182 freetoken  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:43:30am

re: #168 redc1c4

and we have his word for it that this is true...............

Well, are you taking his word in the publication which Zombie has scanned?

What we are faced with is somebody who has changed his mind. Even more so, the history of those writings is that Paul Erlich was the senior person involved, and Holdren was the junior, so we don't know how much of it was just Erlich's ideas being repeated by Holdren.

It was a given going into the confirmation hearing that Holdren was perceived as carrying some baggage... and Senator Rockerfeller went ahead and bundled the Lubchenco nomination (which would garner no objections) with Holdren's, thus sweetening the pie, so to speak.

The GOP had a (more junior) senator quiz Holdren on this very issue at the confirmation hearing, obviously in the hope that something could come of it, but nothing did because of all people politicians ought to be the last one to try and hold people accountable for what they said 30 years earlier.

Even though I was not a big fan of Holdren (partly because he had the baggage of Erlich with him), this "issue" really does seem to me to be water under the bridge.

183 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:46:19am

good night all. redc1c4: hooah. Fenway_Nation: Rock of the Marne.

184 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:47:03am

re: #180 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh my God, they Killed Kenny!

You Bastardis

/OK- it wasn't Joe Bastardi, but I couldn't pass up the chance!

185 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:48:49am

re: #183 mrshankly01


G'nite, mrshankly!

/Cottonbailers, by God!

186 poteen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:49:25am

re: #70 zombie

History since 1977 has pretty much shown his overpopulation models to be lacking. His solutions,sick as they are, might not stick to him today.
You might use your research wizardry (or witchcraft) to see if he was part of the global cooling crowd back in the 70s.
Being wrong ALL the time makes the 'science czar' look very bad.
And you know Obama worries about how things look.

187 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:49:47am

re: #184 Fenway_Nation

Youz guyz and da yanks are tied.

188 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:50:31am

re: #187 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hmm....looks like we'll need to go head-to-head with them to put some more distance between us and them.

189 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:51:53am

re: #185 Fenway_Nation

Tuskers. We Pierce.

OUT.

190 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:52:07am

re: #178 Cannadian Club Akbar

Baby Ruth, IIRC.

That's it! Thank you. :)

191 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:55:49am

re: #181 Fenway_Nation

What if a nominee up for a cabinet-level position wrote some quasi-scholarly works

I'll be happy to consider hypotheticals with you anytime, Fenway. Including this one.

It's not analogous to the Holdren situation though, in part for the reasons that freetoken already beat me to in 182, and in part because your analogy itself isn't even analogous to what he wrote then.

192 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:00:03am

Good monring, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------->
Help yourselves!

193 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:08:46am

Thanks, {littleoldlady}

194 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:10:10am

Sharmuta! :-)

Quiet in here tonight...

/...too quiet

195 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:12:23am

re: #192 littleoldlady

So I was musing earlier, littleoldlady....when I put in an application for employment with some of these railways, should I list as some of my attributes 'Doesn't text while operating a motor vehicle', 'Stays awake for the duration of my shift' and 'shows up sober and generally on time'?

196 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:12:32am

Hiya, littleoldlady. Hope you and talloldman are doing well!

It IS quiet here. Way too quiet.

Oh well. More fruitcup for the rest of us!

197 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:13:24am

Vodka's a fruit, right?

198 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:13:27am

re: #195 Fenway_Nation

Fenway! :-)

I would think that's a HUGE plus!

/verybigsigh

199 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:14:06am

iceweasel! :-)

Bon appetit!

200 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:14:43am

re: #197 Fenway_Nation

Potatoes?

/did I spell that right?
//Dan Quayle mode

201 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:17:48am

re: #197 Fenway_Nation

Vodka's a fruit, right?

I dunno, but it IS one of the food groups, right?

/I hope?

202 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:21:15am

re: #198 littleoldlady

I'm pretty adamant about hiring on with one of the freight-haulers (if they'll have me).

Why's that you ask?

Because grain or coal can't videotape me misbehavin'

/

203 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:22:25am

Mornin' everyone! Coffee's almost done!

204 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:24:08am

re: #202 Fenway_Nation

Man, you'd think they'd at least provide NoDoz for those poor, overworked people!

Fenway, you're scaring me... :-/

205 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:24:23am

re: #203 srb1976

Could ya be a dear and Irish it up for me?

206 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:24:25am

srb! :-)

207 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:25:38am

re: #205 Fenway_Nation

Could ya be a dear and Irish it up for me?

For you? Anything = )

208 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:26:46am

re: #207 srb1976

Brinks truck jam-packed with pure gold and platinum bullion?

209 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:27:20am

re: #201 iceweasel

According to red's nutrition guide, it's in the 'fruit' category.

210 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:29:20am

re: #208 Fenway_Nation

Brinks truck jam-packed with pure gold and platinum bullion?

Damn...did I forget to mention "within reason"?

Sorry! but I got dibs on the first one of those I run across = )

211 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:32:09am

re: #210 srb1976

With my luck, it'll probably run across me before you run across it.

212 rightside  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:35:27am

Morning Lizards.

213 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:36:14am

re: #212 rightside

Mornin' rightside.....you're up early this morning!

214 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:36:29am

re: #211 Fenway_Nation

Just don't fall asleep at the wheel...

'Morning, rightside! :-)

215 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:38:00am

re: #212 rightside

Hey there right side- a little earlier than normal.

216 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:46:16am

Where's some of our more invest-ey inclined lizards like Killgore Trout, 3wood or Chicagodudewhotrades? I was kinda hoping to pick their brain(s) on a few matters relevant to finances....

217 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:46:53am

Looks like we're getting a new air conditioner this week....Yay!

218 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:48:19am

re: #217 srb1976

Looks like we're getting a new air conditioner this week....Yay!

Central air?

219 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:51:36am

re: #218 Cannadian Club Akbar

Central air?

Yep....apparently our old one was struck by lightning....

220 rightside  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:53:12am

re: #213 srb1976

srb!

re: #214 littleoldlady

lol!

re: #215 Fenway_Nation

Fenway!

Actually, I get up at 5 and used to post then, but I was killing this thread. So, I started waiting until later to post, so it wouldn't die too early.

221 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:55:04am

re: #220 rightside

I don't think you did the killing....it seems to die a natural death around this time of day
(I say as I try to avoid taking the blame for it) = )

222 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:55:19am

re: #219 srb1976

Yep....apparently our old one was struck by lightning....

I put in a new AC 2 years ago. They company also checked and patched my duct work. My August bill went from $350 in '06 to $105 in '07.

223 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:56:53am

re: #222 Cannadian Club Akbar

I put in a new AC 2 years ago. They company also checked and patched my duct work. My August bill went from $350 in '06 to $105 in '07.

It's scary how much it can drop when you fix everything!

224 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 2:59:06am

re: #222 Cannadian Club Akbar

I put in a new AC 2 years ago. They company also checked and patched my duct work. My August bill went from $350 in '06 to $105 in '07.

Sweet! we've done some adding to the house in the past few years, so we needed to get a bigger, mmore efficient unit anyway....(not that it was planned for right now), but this way at least homeowners covers most of it = )

225 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:00:11am

re: #223 iceweasel

It's scary how much it can drop when you fix everything!

My first 4 electric bills this year were 30, 25, 25 and 35. I don't use heat during the cold snaps.

226 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:01:41am

re: #224 srb1976

I bought a 13 Sere unit. I think they have better ones now.

227 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:02:28am

re: #225 Cannadian Club Akbar

We live in Alabama, our electric bill nearly doubles in the summer....we rarely run the heat at all, unless it's cold enough to affect the kids (not often)....but the AC runs ALL summer

228 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:04:31am

re: #227 srb1976

We live in Alabama, our electric bill nearly doubles in the summer....we rarely run the heat at all, unless it's cold enough to affect the kids (not often)....but the AC runs ALL summer

I'm in Florida. I feel your pain. Are you set for hurricaine season as far as supplies and the such?

229 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:07:58am

re: #228 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm in Florida. I feel your pain. Are you set for hurricaine season as far as supplies and the such?

We're a ways away from the coastline....the last one that made any impact in our area was Ivan....but we always plan for a week or so without power (we do get the thunderstorms and tornadoes up this way)

230 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:12:26am

re: #229 srb1976

When we lose power because of hurricaines, Florida Power and Light uses a local hockey arena to meet with all the other utility companies and game plan repairs, so the arena is priority one to get power restored. I am on the same grid with the arena.

231 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:14:42am

re: #230 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nice! We are on rural power, but we are so close to the power co.'s main office that if we get any major damage, their lights are off too....it's been 8 years or so since the power's been off longer than overnight....
but it blinks ALL the time....we reset all our clocks at least once a week

232 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:19:18am

and on that note....it's time to get back to the salt mines....
Have a great day folks!

233 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:21:14am

re: #232 srb1976

mmmm.....salt.

234 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:26:12am

re: #233 Fenway_Nation

mmmm.....salt.

Mark Grace was on Jim Rome's radio show years ago. He said during spring training he would put salt lick outside his hotel room to attract women. Not nice, but funny as hell.

235 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:29:01am

re: #234 Cannadian Club Akbar

Mark Grace was on Jim Rome's radio show years ago. He said during spring training he would put salt lick outside his hotel room to attract women. Not nice, but funny as hell.

Not nice at all, but as a woman I cannot deny how much I love, love salt.

Never liked potato chips or doritos, but I love salt.

236 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:33:44am

re: #235 iceweasel

Let me guess, you like salt on lemons as a snack.

237 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:37:41am

re: #236 Cannadian Club Akbar

Let me guess, you like salt on lemons as a snack.

No, I like salt on someone's bicep, slamming tequila, and biting the lime.

/That's only if it's inferior tequila though.

238 freetoken  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:43:56am

BTW, if any ever doubted Beck's endorsement of Ron Paul... yesterday, on Beck's own web page, the head line article is guest written by .... Luap Nor himself, pushing his idea/book to end the Fed:

[Link: 74.125.155.132...]

Those two must be stopped. Beck is quite popular with the main-street right-wing (though he is dissed here for being a clown), his book being the bestseller (if you believe the lists.)

239 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:46:23am

re: #237 iceweasel

Years ago, I worked at a restaurant that was a part of a company that had about 6 different concept restaurants. There was one that was Tex-Mex and Cuervo Gold was the bottom of the barrel tequila. They had about 75 different kinds. Shots ran from 6 bucks to over 100 per shot.

240 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:49:38am

Hello everyone! I have one link to post before I leave for work:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

241 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:50:05am

All this talk of alcohol is making me drowsy.....

g'nite, lizards!

242 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:57:05am

re: #239 Cannadian Club Akbar

Years ago, I worked at a restaurant that was a part of a company that had about 6 different concept restaurants. There was one that was Tex-Mex and Cuervo Gold was the bottom of the barrel tequila. They had about 75 different kinds. Shots ran from 6 bucks to over 100 per shot.

Of course I'm kidding, in the sense that I don't know enough about tequila or even like it enough to drink it the way someone who really likes it could. Good tequila would be wasted on me.

But not salt, oh god no, that's not wasted. Or lime, or lemon. :)

Are there tequilas that are worth that much? And if they are, would a person want to drink them like a shot?

243 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:02:26am

re: #242 iceweasel

Of course I'm kidding, in the sense that I don't know enough about tequila or even like it enough to drink it the way someone who really likes it could. Good tequila would be wasted on me.

But not salt, oh god no, that's not wasted. Or lime, or lemon. :)

Are there tequilas that are worth that much? And if they are, would a person want to drink them like a shot?


I don't do tequila, but when I bought my house I almost bought a $1600 bottle of Crown Royal as a personal house warming gift. Decided against it because my friends would have wanted me to share. Put hard wood floors in the bedrooms instead.

244 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:09:46am

Good morning.

The market futures are pointing down due to fears over poor profit numbers and Obamanomics.

Looks like ObamaMotors to come out of bankruptcy today with a pocket full of our money.


GM Set to Exit Bankruptcy

The new General Motors Co. is poised to exit Chapter 11 protection as soon as Friday morning, and to emerge as a leaner, more focused company after only 40 days in bankruptcy court.

The quicker-than-expected reorganization could represent a major accomplishment for the Obama administration, which committed $50 billion to GM as part of its bailout of the U.S. auto industry.

The chances of a sustained turnaround hinge on a revamped board of directors the government has installed, in particular the new chairman, Edward E. Whitacre Jr. The former AT&T executive was hand-picked by the government's auto task force. He was charged with keeping a tight watch over GM management and its performance, something the administration believed the previous board didn't do enough of.


This coming from the same group who can't keep track of what they are doing with $787 billion.

245 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:10:28am

Oh, goodness. Osama bin Laden's son, Omar, has a book out in which he describes how his father took his two dogs for an experiment with gas. He said his father hates his enemies more than he loved his family.

246 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:12:29am

re: #242 iceweasel

Are there tequilas that are worth that much? And if they are, would a person want to drink them like a shot?

You should see the prices of some Scotch.....

247 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:14:12am

Chicago Machine party hacks already lining up for Burris's seat:
Giannoulias takes lead in fund-raising for a Senate bid


l

linois Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias has raised $1.8 million for his Senate bid, while his likely Democratic rivals have zero dollars in their war chests.

Giannoulias has been fund-raising since March. Federal fund-raising reports, public next week, will show that Giannoulias raised about $670,000 in the second quarter of 2009.

Giannoulias is also in a position to pour some of his own money into his campaign; his federal financial disclosure statement will show that he is worth between $13 million and $62 million

Worth between $13 and $62 million, a man of the people.

248 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:15:40am

re: #244 3 wood

The MSM said GM was laying off 14K people, mostly white collar. True?

249 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:15:46am

re: #246 Mithrax

You should see the prices of some Scotch.....

Honey, I know. I prefer it. Whisky, that is. :)

That isn't something you drink like you would a shot. And I've never even had the truly expensive whisky.

250 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:17:50am

re: #249 iceweasel

Honey, I know. I prefer it. Whisky, that is. :)

That isn't something you drink like you would a shot. And I've never even had the truly expensive whisky.

Ah, but there is a big difference between good Scotch and good Whiskey. Has to do with the distilling process.

And if you drink enough of the cheap stuff, you won't taste a thing :P

251 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:18:33am

Fox has three people who voted for FCBBHO on who are soooooo disappointed.

252 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:19:04am

re: #245 MandyManners

Oh, goodness. Osama bin Laden's son, Omar, has a book out in which he describes how his father took his two dogs for an experiment with gas. He said his father hates his enemies more than he loved his family.

I thought Muslims didn't like dogs because they are considered dirty. Why would the have them as pets?

253 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:20:24am

This one woman who owns a small business says the government needs to shovel more money to small businesses. Hey, idiot--why not call for lower taxes?

254 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:21:16am

re: #253 MandyManners

This one woman who owns a small business says the government needs to shovel more money to small businesses. Hey, idiot--why not call for lower taxes?

Brainwashing.

You get insta-cash from the government and you think it's great.

You see long term benefits from tax cuts and you think "I want my money now!"

255 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:22:07am

Dollar gains strength:
Yen, Dollar Rise, Stocks Fall on Concern Recovery Faltering

July 10 (Bloomberg) -- The yen and Treasuries rose on speculation the global recovery is faltering while stocks fell in Europe after Renault SA Chief Executive Officer Carlos Ghosn ruled out an economic rebound before 2011.

The yen strengthened against all 16 most-traded currencies as of 11:20 a.m. in London, gaining as much as 1.3 percent versus the euro and 0.6 percent compared with the dollar. The Dow Jones Stoxx 600 Index of European shares slipped 0.5 percent, extending its fourth weekly drop, the longest streak since March.

I think we are looking at a very sustained recession. Expect unemployment of 8% to 10% in the US for the foreseeable future.

256 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:22:53am

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

The MSM said GM was laying off 14K people, mostly white collar. True?

I don't know, but I would not be surprised.

257 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:24:46am

re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar

I thought Muslims didn't like dogs because they are considered dirty. Why would the have them as pets?

I don't know. From what I heard, Omar (28) remembers when the family went from a lavish lifestyle to an austere llfestyle. He looks Western--his long, long hair is done in a fancy corn-row design and he wears Western clothes. Fox ran a clip of him with a woman outside somewhere and she was wearing Western clothing and no head or face covering.

258 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:24:46am

re: #250 Mithrax

Ah, but there is a big difference between good Scotch and good Whiskey. Has to do with the distilling process.

And if you drink enough of the cheap stuff, you won't taste a thing :P

Indeed. To both points.

Tell me why I should like Scotch and not whisky, for one.

/ btw, totally off topic, 'ice weasel' and all its variants are very popular nicknames on 'teh left'. And I just discovered YET ANOTHER PERSON using 'iceweasel' at one of my most fave liberal blogs.

//yes, not a big deal. Tell me about the scotch instead. :)

259 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:25:40am

re: #254 Mithrax

Brainwashing.

You get insta-cash from the government and you think it's great.

You see long term benefits from tax cuts and you think "I want my money now!"

The age of instant gratification and entitlement: It's mine and I want it NOW.

260 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:25:53am

Hey everyone. Walter said some of you guys were looking for me. ;^)

I'm still on vacation. Left my curmudgeonly den on June 26. So far, I've stayed or visited in Kent, CT; Salem, NH; Edgecomb, ME; Stonington, ME (where I plan to move this time next year, inshallah); Dresden, ME; Wiscasset, ME (for the Glorious Fourth, with fireworks reflected in the water); Boston, MA; Williamstown, MA; Angola, NY; and now Paw Paw, MI.

The trip so far has been joyful and uneventful, except for when I had to call the police in Angola to get a motel owner to obey the law and give me a room with my service dog Haku. The local gendarme explained to the good man that he could either rent me the room and smile or face a lawsuit under the ADA, which would be handled by the Justice Department. I got the room, but the guy was still inclined to argue with me. Finally I just wished him and his family every good fortune and went to sleep. Maybe the next person with a service dog will get better treatment.

This morning I'm going to walk the property of my cousin Mike, a retired Michigan state trooper and private investigator. We'll have a look at things and then head for his private firing range for some target practice. I brought my H&K P7 for company and Mike has just about every other type of gun you could want.

It has been so wonderful to get out on the road for the first time in years and drive around this beautiful land of ours. I bought a Garmin GPS unit at the flagship L.L. Bean store and am discovering that paper maps are so last millennium. Still on my program are Marshall, MI, my ancestral home; Ann Arbor, MI, where I was born; Conway, MA, where a very old friend is waiting; and New York City. But I may make a flying visit to Taos, NM, first. Always wanted to go there. I guess if I decide to do that I'd better have the old Lincoln serviced first.

I'm very grateful my health has allowed this trip.

261 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:26:47am

re: #257 MandyManners

Is he the son that wants to bring peace to the ME? I kinda remember him.

262 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:27:03am

re: #255 3 wood

Dollar gains strength:
Yen, Dollar Rise, Stocks Fall on Concern Recovery Faltering

I think we are looking at a very sustained recession. Expect unemployment of 8% to 10% in the US for the foreseeable future.

Isn't it good that the dollar is strengthening?

263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:27:45am

I have an acquaintance who has not held a job for the 6 years (even before the "fall") I have known him. I've advised him about it and stuff for the whole time I have known him, and have tried to help him find work... he's obviously pre-destined for unemployment.

"Strongly Approves" in a poll about our President on Facebook.

Dude just can't wait for free stuff. I am going to wean myself from being his "friend".

Yeah...four kids... wife...(who can't work either).

264 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:29:00am

re: #258 iceweasel

Indeed. To both points.

Tell me why I should like Scotch and not whisky, for one.

/ btw, totally off topic, 'ice weasel' and all its variants are very popular nicknames on 'teh left'. And I just discovered YET ANOTHER PERSON using 'iceweasel' at one of my most fave liberal blogs.

//yes, not a big deal. Tell me about the scotch instead. :)

Whisky

Mostly it has to do with the grains, distilling process, vatting process, etc.

Scotch is really "Scotch Whiskey" but has become it's own brand (look at the reading Scotch whiskey in wiki), same with Bourbon, Rye, etc.

I'm curious about the Indian Whiskey, it comes from Molasses.

265 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:29:12am

I know for sure now that Fox reads LGF. They ran a clip of that baby-skating video and will do a bit about it this morning.

266 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:29:21am

Look at this misleading headline:
Economists Raise U.S. Outlook as Recession Fades, Survey Shows


With that you'd think there would be some rosy projections, right? Then you read the article and find this:

July 10 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will expand faster than previously forecast in the second half of this year and in 2010 as a revival in consumer spending signals an end to the recession, a Bloomberg News survey showed.

Growth will average 1.5 percent in the July-to-December period, compared with last month’s 1.2 percent projection, according to the median of 57 forecasts in the survey taken from July 2 to July 8. The jobless rate will exceed 10 percent early next year and average 9.8 percent for 2010.

Signs of stability in the housing market, improving consumer confidence and smaller declines in auto sales are reinforcing forecasts for gains in consumer purchases. While the recovery is likely to be tempered by job cuts and shrinking household wealth, most economists said a second stimulus package won’t be needed.

FYI, you need a growth of at least 2% a year to keep up with population growth. Anything less means a dropping standard of living. Also, they are predicting an unemployment rate of 9.8 to 10% for the next 18 months at least. And that is "raised expectations"?

Wow, talk about your spin jobs.

267 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:30:29am

re: #259 MandyManners

The age of instant gratification and entitlement: It's mine and I want it NOW.

Well, given that sooner or later the government well will dry up (I figure once the adults get back in charge of the White House) people will learn that long term planning and saving is the way to go. Which means give us lower taxes dammit!

268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:33:09am

re: #260 Cato the Elder

First, it would suck to require a service dog.

Second, it would be soooo cool to be able to travel with my dog.

269 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:33:13am

re: #262 TheMatrix31

Isn't it good that the dollar is strengthening?

Mixed bag. It makes oil cheaper, but it also makes our goods more expensive for customers in other countries to buy. So our exports drop and our imports of oil increase.

The reason why the dollar is strengthening is not cause of significant improvement in the US economy, but that our economy seems less screwed up than some others.

270 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:34:38am

re: #263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have an uncle, Korean War vet, (Marine) with all the usual paraphernalia on his vehicle about the Marines.

He is the king of hand outs. He moved to California because they give so much stuff, but had to move because he alienated his daughter in law so much, and claims there were too many Mexicans.

He moved back east, bitches about about how much he does not get, and hates George Bush with a passion.

He is a racist bastard too. But, he loves Obama. Why?

I think the words were, "I only want want is coming to me" as I recall.

Always looking for a hand out. ALWAYS.

My last words to him were to thank him for fighting the encroachment of communism in a foreign land, and to curse him for voting it in here.

271 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:35:05am

re: #269 3 wood

Mixed bag. It makes oil cheaper, but it also makes our goods more expensive for customers in other countries to buy. So our exports drop and our imports of oil increase.

The reason why the dollar is strengthening is not cause of significant improvement in the US economy, but that our economy seems less screwed up than some others.

That's what I figured.

272 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:35:16am

re: #269 3 wood

Mixed bag. It makes oil cheaper, but it also makes our goods more expensive for customers in other countries to buy. So our exports drop and our imports of oil increase.

The reason why the dollar is strengthening is not cause of significant improvement in the US economy, but that our economy seems less screwed up than some others.

Also makes Canadian imports more attractive to buyers too.

Housing starts are starting to trickle up here, which is a very good sign.

273 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:35:29am

re: #261 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is he the son that wants to bring peace to the ME? I kinda remember him.

I don't know. From what I just read about him at Wiki, he sounds kinda' flakey.

274 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:36:06am

re: #260 Cato the Elder

Back in 1991, I had to get a hotel room for 2 day because I was waiting for my new apartment to be ready. There were all these guys with dogs everywhere. Found out it was a police dog convention. I have never felt safer. And I was glad I was out of pot. (long, long time ago)

275 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:38:33am

re: #267 Mithrax

Well, given that sooner or later the government well will dry up (I figure once the adults get back in charge of the White House) people will learn that long term planning and saving is the way to go. Which means give us lower taxes dammit!

It's gonna' be a hard and rude awakening for many.

276 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:38:36am

So, there I was hearing from Obama how we have to change our ways and be more efficient, we have to do more with less, drive cars that are more fuel efficient, etc., etc., etc..

Then I look up and see what car ObamaMotors is pinning a lot of their hopes on:

A Muscle Car to the Rescue for General Motors

DETROIT — Believe it or not, General Motors has a hit car on its hands.

Amid the gloom of bankruptcy and a miserable market for new vehicles, G.M.’s new Chevrolet Camaro muscle car is winning over consumers looking for a little excitement in a bland landscape of look-alike sedans and watered-down sport utilities.

G.M. sold 9,300 Camaros during the month of June — more than either its entire Buick or Cadillac divisions could muster on their own.

And with G.M. expected to emerge Friday from bankruptcy as a newly constituted company, it is hardly surprising that the Camaro will play a starring role in the company’s coming-out party and news conference at G.M.’s Detroit headquarters.

277 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:39:25am

re: #270 formercorpsman

I have an uncle, Korean War vet, (Marine) with all the usual paraphernalia on his vehicle about the Marines.

He is the king of hand outs. He moved to California because they give so much stuff, but had to move because he alienated his daughter in law so much, and claims there were too many Mexicans.

He moved back east, bitches about about how much he does not get, and hates George Bush with a passion.

He is a racist bastard too. But, he loves Obama. Why?

I think the words were, "I only want want is coming to me" as I recall.

Always looking for a hand out. ALWAYS.

My last words to him were to thank him for fighting the encroachment of communism in a foreign land, and to curse him for voting it in here.

Why don't you ask him what the hell he risked his life for?

278 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:39:56am

re: #272 Mithrax

Also makes Canadian imports more attractive to buyers too.

Housing starts are starting to trickle up here, which is a very good sign.

Good point.

279 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:40:40am

re: #264 Mithrax

Whisky

Mostly it has to do with the grains, distilling process, vatting process, etc.

Scotch is really "Scotch Whiskey" but has become it's own brand (look at the reading Scotch whiskey in wiki), same with Bourbon, Rye, etc.

I'm curious about the Indian Whiskey, it comes from Molasses.

GOD I'm such a pedant. Also a whisky snob.

When you said "scotch" i immediately thought, oh yeah, like Bourbon is 'whiskey'? (note spelling change). Don't get me wrong, I love bourbon, but it is something different!

This indian whiskey I'd never heard of. If it's from molasses I think it'll be too sweet for me. (I love sweet, but not in alcohol)

280 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:42:30am

re: #276 3 wood

So, there I was hearing from Obama how we have to change our ways and be more efficient, we have to do more with less, drive cars that are more fuel efficient, etc., etc., etc..

Then I look up and see what car ObamaMotors is pinning a lot of their hopes on:

A Muscle Car to the Rescue for General Motors

And they're built right here in Oshawa! isn't that great! Wow what a boost to the local economy!

I swear I hate living in a company town.

281 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:42:44am

re: #270 formercorpsman

My Dad (WWII and Korean War Vet) was kind of like that too for the last 20 years of his life. He expected all kinds of freebies from the government and constantly complained about how unfair it was that he was not getting it.

282 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:43:01am

re: #277 TheMatrix31

Mute point. It is one of those situations where you know the argument is on a 6th grade level.

You point to the contradiction of his racism issues, and then voting for Obama, and he just shrugs his shoulders.

It has taken a long time, but I now know to just not waste my time discussing it with him.

283 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:43:01am

re: #276 3 wood

The President is a flim-flam man.

284 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:43:10am

re: #279 iceweasel

This indian whiskey I'd never heard of. If it's from molasses I think it'll be too sweet for me. (I love sweet, but not in alcohol)

Then you'd probably not like Ice Wine, I find it VERY sweet.

285 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:43:16am

re: #276 3 wood

My friend is a mechanic for GM. He said they have already had 5 service bulletins on potential problems for the new Camaro.

286 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:44:34am

re: #280 Mithrax

I'm glad to hear that there is the demand for the Camaro's, I just find it interesting since Obama is basically running the place and he wants us all to go back to wind mills and spinning wheels.

287 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:45:30am

re: #276 3 wood

You know, that is interesting.

I have always been a Mopar guy, but now own a Suburban. (Purely because it is much more convenient to haul our kids, the neighbor's kids, sports gear, etc)

But Chrysler seemed to be doing well with their reintroduction of the Charger, and some other vehicles in that vein.

288 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:45:33am

BTW: Dubliners and Pogues covering Whisky in the Jar


As I was going over the far famed Kerry mountains
I met with captain Farrell and his money he was counting.
I first produced my pistol, and then produced my rapier.
Said stand and deliver, for I am a bold deceiver,

I counted out his money, and it made a pretty penny.
I put it in my pocket and I took it home to Jenny.
She sighed and she swore, that she never would deceive me,
but the devil take the women, for they never can be easy

I went into my chamber, all for to take a slumber,
I dreamt of gold and jewels and sure it was no wonder.
But Jenny took my charges and she filled them up with water,
Then sent for captain Farrel to be ready for the slaughter.

Twas was early in the morning, as I rose up for travel,
The guards were all around me and likewise captain Farrel.
I first produced my pistol, for she'd stolen away my rapier,
But I couldn't shoot the water so a prisoner I was taken.

If anyone can aid me, it's my brother in the army,
If I can find his station down in Cork or in Killarney.
And if he'll come and save me, we'll go roving near Kilkenny,
And I swear he'll treat me better than me darling sporting Jenny

Now some take delight in the drinking and the roving,
But others take delight in the hurly and the bowling.
But I take delight in the juice of the barley,
And courting pretty fair maids in the morning bright and early

289 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:45:47am

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

My friend is a mechanic for GM. He said they have already had 5 service bulletins on potential problems for the new Camaro.

I am entirely not surprised.

I have visions of the Vega in my mind.

290 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:47:39am

re: #247 3 wood

Chicago Machine party hacks already lining up for Burris's seat:
Giannoulias takes lead in fund-raising for a Senate bid

l

Worth between $13 and $62 million, a man of the people.

Or as they call it financial circles, "one fourth of a Romney."

291 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:47:48am

re: #286 3 wood

I'm glad to hear that there is the demand for the Camaro's, I just find it interesting since Obama is basically running the place and he wants us all to go back to wind mills and spinning wheels.

Oh I think the Camaro demand will peak very quickly. Most people really do want reliable, fuel efficent cars. The Camaro may be reliable for some, but fuel efficent?

I'm one of the few in this damn city that knows that it's a matter of time.

292 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:49:39am

re: #288 iceweasel

But I take delight in the juice of the barley,

Great line.

I have some Irish music I play at work every once in a while. Patients dig it.

293 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:49:43am

re: #288 iceweasel

Sigh.

Makes me want to go pub crawling in Ireland again.

294 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:50:17am

re: #291 Mithrax

Oh I think the Camaro demand will peak very quickly. Most people really do want reliable, fuel efficent cars. The Camaro may be reliable for some, but fuel efficent?

I'm one of the few in this damn city that knows that it's a matter of time.


It's a penis car and many will make excuses about its mileage trying to justify driving it.

295 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:52:08am

The transfer of wealth goes on and on:

Billions in aid go to areas that backed Obama in '08


Counties that supported Obama last year have reaped twice as much money per person from the administration's $787 billion economic stimulus package as those that voted for his Republican rival, Sen. John McCain, a USA TODAY analysis of government disclosure and accounting records shows. That money includes aid to repair military bases, improve public housing and help students pay for college.


The White House response?

"There's no politics at work when it comes to spending for the recovery," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs says.


Right.


As they say in Chicago, the city that jerks together, works together.

296 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:52:34am

re: #294 MandyManners

It's a penis car and many will make excuses about its mileage trying to justify driving it.

Oh of course it is.

Oshawa is just like the Jersey shore in many ways.

297 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:52:38am
298 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:53:59am

re: #295 3 wood

The transfer of wealth goes on and on:

Billions in aid go to areas that backed Obama in '08


Right.

As they say in Chicago, the city that jerks together, works together.

Maybe because those heavily liberal areas are the ones in the worst shape, BECAUSE they vote liberal to fucking begin with.

299 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:55:46am

"Men are so psychologically shallow. That car is just an extension of your penis."

Tim replies, "I wish!"

300 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:56:47am

re: #293 Mithrax

Sigh.

Makes me want to go pub crawling in Ireland again.

Ha! Ditto.

301 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:58:35am

re: #290 ShanghaiEd

Or as they call it financial circles, "one fourth of a Romney."

I have sat at events and listened to Giannoulias speak many a time. One of his routine schticks is laying on the "common folk from the streets" thing real thick. Now that the MSM is starting to publish his personal wealth, he's going to have problems selling that.

This is going to be fun.

302 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:58:44am

re: #295 3 wood


That aid — about $17 billion — is the first piece of the administration's massive stimulus package that can be tracked locally. Much of it has followed a well-worn path to places that regularly collect a bigger share of federal grants and contracts, guided by formulas that have been in place for decades and leave little room for manipulation.

SNIP

The imbalance didn't start with the stimulus. From 2005 through 2007, the counties that later voted for Obama collected about 50% more government aid than those that supported McCain, according to spending reports from the U.S. Census Bureau. USA TODAY's review did not include Alaska, which does not report its election results by county.

Could it be that these are poor counties that already get a larger amount of federal money and have more minorities who were predisposed to vote for FCBBHO?

303 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:59:11am

re: #296 Mithrax

Oh of course it is.

Oshawa is just like the Jersey shore in many ways.

And, where I grew up.

304 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:59:43am

re: #295 3 wood

The transfer of wealth goes on and on:

Billions in aid go to areas that backed Obama in '08


Right.

As they say in Chicago, the city that jerks together, works together.

I found it interesting that USA Today left this fact for the very end; it seems to me that it questions the premise of the lead. Looks like Obama is so sneaky that he started funneling aid to Democratic counties 3 years before he was elected. The man's got a Time Machine, I tell ya...

The imbalance didn't start with the stimulus. From 2005 through 2007, the counties that later voted for Obama collected about 50% more government aid than those that supported McCain, according to spending reports from the U.S. Census Bureau. USA TODAY's review did not include Alaska, which does not report its election results by county.

305 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:00:17am
306 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:00:37am

Got to head for work. Remember, work hard cause there are a lot of Democrats with their hands out depending on you.

Later.

307 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:02:00am

re: #298 TheMatrix31

Maybe because those heavily liberal areas are the ones in the worst shape, BECAUSE they vote liberal to fucking begin with.

as are all the fuckin democratic areas of the states, morning lizards and lizardettes :>)

308 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:02:07am

re: #306 3 wood

Got to head for work. Remember, work hard cause there are a lot of Democrats with their hands out depending on you.

Later.

Happy Capitalism 3wood!

309 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:02:29am

re: #304 ShanghaiEd

SE ... so ... who the hell is shocked that many Obama voters get more assistance? ... I am not ... I tell ya ...

310 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:03:21am

Good Morning Lizards. I see the troll got the stick just after I went to bed last night.

311 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:05:03am

Am I the only one following the story about the Pennsylvania pool club that signed up a youth group to swim this summer and then threw them out when the kids showed up? The kids are either African-American or Hispanic and the rest of the club is white. The PTB have said that the group "changed the complexion" of the club and has refused to relent.

312 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:05:36am

re: #310 Erik The Red

Good Morning Lizards. I see the troll got the stick just after I went to bed last night.

That'll teach you to go to bed.

313 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:06:23am

re: #312 MandyManners

That'll teach you to go to bed.

LOL. If you can call 4 hours bed.

314 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:06:40am

re: #311 MandyManners

Am I the only one following the story about the Pennsylvania pool club that signed up a youth group to swim this summer and then threw them out when the kids showed up? The kids are either African-American or Hispanic and the rest of the club is white. The PTB have said that the group "changed the complexion" of the club and has refused to relent.

No I've been following it. There were a few hispanic members of the club interviewed in one article.

The official line is that members of the club complained because it was a private club rented out to public groups.

It reads more like classism than racism.

315 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:07:17am

re: #313 Erik The Red

LOL. If you can call 4 hours bed.

Dis is az far...

316 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:07:35am

re: #276 3 wood

So, there I was hearing from Obama how we have to change our ways and be more efficient, we have to do more with less, drive cars that are more fuel efficient, etc., etc., etc..

Then I look up and see what car ObamaMotors is pinning a lot of their hopes on:

A Muscle Car to the Rescue for General Motors

Good for them. The rich are buying cars.

And it is a pretty sweet looking car. But I will never, ever buy a GM product as long as I live, thanks to a truly horrendous experience I had with one of their products, one of their dealerships and with the bureaucracy at the company itself over 25 years ago. I have personally talked at least a dozen people out of buying GM products, people who were poised with money ready to drop on one until they heard what I wound up with and what I went through for two miserable years.

There is so much incompetence and arrogance stacked throughout GM that a millenium wouldn't be long enough to purge it from the company. A few thousand layoffs and a bankruptcy reorganization won't even scratch it's surface.

317 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:07:48am

re: #313 Erik The Red

LOL. If you can call 4 hours bed.

Sometimes I am happy to get that much.

318 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:07:57am

re: #304 ShanghaiEd

Looks like Obama is so sneaky that he started funneling aid to Democratic counties 3 years before he was elected. The man's got a Time Machine, I tell ya...


You're behind the curve on your conspiracy theories. Don't you know he went back in a time machine to finagle his birth certificate? ///

Or his parents had a time machine in which they visited TEH FUTURE! and figured out that naming him 'barack obama' would get him elected POTUS, rather than naming him "Barry".

//I really can't keep track of the crazy RW conspiracy du jour; there are too many and they're all contradictory-- but so fun!

319 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:08:58am

re: #314 Mithrax

No I've been following it. There were a few hispanic members of the club interviewed in one article.

The official line is that members of the club complained because it was a private club rented out to public groups.

It reads more like classism than racism.

Is this the only group that has ever rented the pool?

320 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:09:09am

re: #309 JacksonTn

SE ... so ... who the hell is shocked that many Obama voters get more assistance? ... I am not ... I tell ya ...

Even though the Bush Administration sent it to them? I don't understand. That's counter-intuitive to me.

And what part of my note did you find offensive?

321 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:09:59am

re: #314 Mithrax

No I've been following it. There were a few hispanic members of the club interviewed in one article.

The official line is that members of the club complained because it was a private club rented out to public groups.

It reads more like classism than racism.

Actually, most of the well off liberals I know are pretty racist.

322 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:11:06am

re: #319 MandyManners

Is this the only group that has ever rented the pool?

From what it reads, is that this year to raise funds the pool rented itself out to three public summer camps.

I suspect that the members of the club who complained would have complained if it was -any- public group just from the way the articles read.

323 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:11:50am

re: #310 Erik The Red

Good Morning Lizards. I see the troll got the stick just after I went to bed last night.

hey Eric, is welcome back to the states appropriate?

324 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:13:01am

re: #315 Mithrax

Dis is az far...

Way I feel this morning. Demon Murphy has been working overtime today. Good morning all. At least it's Friday.

325 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:14:07am

re: #321 Cannadian Club Akbar

Actually, most of the well off liberals I know are pretty racist.

The more I read and listen to people who make racist statements (and it can go both ways), I think it's more classism than racism.

It's a matter of "them" being "not like us" which lately is more economic and cultural, rather than skintone.

You'd probably get the same attitude towards rural, poor folk as you would some inner city folk. While the words might be different, the attitude is the same.

326 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:14:39am

re: #322 Mithrax

From what it reads, is that this year to raise funds the pool rented itself out to three public summer camps.

I suspect that the members of the club who complained would have complained if it was -any- public group just from the way the articles read.

Have they thrown out the other two groups?

327 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:15:04am

re: #323 apachegunner

hey Eric, is welcome back to the states appropriate?

Hey apache it sure is. I got back on the third.

328 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:15:13am

re: #326 MandyManners

Have they thrown out the other two groups?

From what I read, they refunded the money of all three groups. Lemme see if Drudge still has the links.

329 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:15:22am

re: #295 3 wood

The transfer of wealth goes on and on:

Billions in aid go to areas that backed Obama in '08


Right.

As they say in Chicago, the city that jerks together, works together.

From the article:

Much of it [the aid money] has followed a well-worn path to places that regularly collect a bigger share of federal grants and contracts, guided by formulas that have been in place for decades and leave little room for manipulation.

I'd guess it's more of a well-worn path that Federal money follows to urban areas than any sort of quid pro quo.

The real problem is: why is the stimulus taking so long to get into people's hands? With less than 10% of it allocated (and even less spent) why is the Administration choosing to distribute it in the most inefficient way possible - through layers and layers of Federal bureaucracy, into the hands of states where it much penetrate several more layers of bureaucracy, from there to individual counties, from there to individual cities and township, once more into the hands of contractors and only then into the hands of consumers?

Newsflash: this takes huge amounts of time, and loses vast sums of money along the way. It isn't the distribution that smacks of patronage - it's the whole idea of "targeting" the funds to achieve certain political ends, rather than letting consumers hang onto more of their own earnings and spending them as they see fit that's the real problem. Slash withholding taxes and run the government on the stimulus funds if you want to juice the economy. Playing games funneling it into "shovel ready" projects will never, ever work, except as a beginning in the creation of a permanent underclass entirely dependent on the Feds for their existence.

330 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:15:23am

re: #324 BlueCanuck

Way I feel this morning. Demon Murphy has been working overtime today. Good morning all. At least it's Friday.

Morning Blue.

331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:16:50am

re: #311 MandyManners

I read it; it might be as bad as it looks.

It also might be a bunch of young, peeing in the water, running between tables, unsupervised brats that drove everybody to distraction within ten minutes.

Doubt we'll ever know for sure.

332 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:17:20am

re: #327 Erik The Red

Hey apache it sure is. I got back on the third.

and your settling in Orlando?

333 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:17:55am

re: #276 3 wood

Will it be a Bitchin' Camaro?

334 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:18:11am

Those who dug up those bodies in the Illinois cemetery to resell the plots should never see the light of day again. It is an incomprehensible crime.

335 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:18:27am

re: #332 apachegunner

and your settling in Orlando?

Orlando area, not in Orlando. I am going to look at a furnished condo in about 20 minutes.

336 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:19:23am

re: #331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I read it; it might be as bad as it looks.

It also might be a bunch of young, peeing in the water, running between tables, unsupervised brats that drove everybody to distraction within ten minutes.

Doubt we'll ever know for sure.

From what I've read the (all white) parents removed thei kids the minute the group came in.

337 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:20:32am

re: #326 MandyManners

NBC Philly

It's odd, the article (and others) refers to "camps" but it was only one camp?

Or different sections of the same camp? Odd.

Anyhow, it is reprehensible, but really I think we're more discussing the semantics between classism and racism.

338 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:20:43am

re: #325 Mithrax

The more I read and listen to people who make racist statements (and it can go both ways), I think it's more classism than racism.

It's a matter of "them" being "not like us" which lately is more economic and cultural, rather than skintone.

You'd probably get the same attitude towards rural, poor folk as you would some inner city folk. While the words might be different, the attitude is the same.

Very, very true. I grew up in the city and now live in the country. Elitist are elitist. If I am wearing a John Deere hat in public, they assume I am a hick.

339 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:20:59am

How did those parents know that the new kids were poor?

340 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:21:29am

anyone seen that photo of nobama staring at a sixteen year old's ass on drudge?

341 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:21:31am

re: #320 ShanghaiEd

Even though the Bush Administration sent it to them? I don't understand. That's counter-intuitive to me.

And what part of my note did you find offensive?

SE ... I don't care who sent them money before - ...I am just saying that the same voters sold their votes for the stimulus check they received ... simple as that ... same type of person ... don't care if you don't like what I have to say about some Obama supporters but it is the truth ... I'll tell ya ...

342 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:21:58am

re: #337 Mithrax

NBC Philly

It's odd, the article (and others) refers to "camps" but it was only one camp?

Or different sections of the same camp? Odd.

Anyhow, it is reprehensible, but really I think we're more discussing the semantics between classism and racism.

Economic class is not nearly as visible as race, more so when you're looking at a bunch of little kids in swim trunks.

343 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:22:14am

re: #340 apachegunner

anyone seen that photo of nobama staring at a sixteen year old's ass on drudge?

Oh, yes.

344 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:22:19am

re: #340 apachegunner

anyone seen that photo of nobama staring at a sixteen year old's ass on drudge?

I have now.

345 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:22:29am

re: #339 MandyManners

How did those parents know that the new kids were poor?

Probably assumed because of skin colour. Sounds like it was the equivilent of a gated community without the gates.

346 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:23:31am

re: #340 apachegunner

anyone seen that photo of nobama staring at a sixteen year old's ass on drudge?

Look at the French Presidents expression.

347 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:23:53am

Hey Democrats, you're in power, fix the economy.

It is with some restraint that I avoid using the word morons.

348 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:24:09am

re: #345 Mithrax

Probably assumed because of skin colour. Sounds like it was the equivilent of a gated community without the gates.

So, it is racism to assume that kids with darker skin and different features are poor.

349 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:24:22am

I'm no poll-watcher. I make no claims to able to tell the future. I don't even know what's going to happen to me thirty minutes from now.

But when a Democrat Congresscritter from a safe district (the only guy outside of California to defeat a Republican incumbent in 2000, unopposed in 2004 and 2008) sends out a letter detailing his distance from Der Commandant Pelosi and PGI Obama and how he ain't like them at all, nope, no way then there may be some small cracks in the Democrat monolith.

Anyway, that's Mike Ross.

350 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:24:24am

re: #346 Erik The Red

Look at the French Presidents expression.

that picture just makes me laugh every time I see it.

351 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:24:57am

re: #343 MandyManners

Oh, yes.


ahhhh, i just loved it, bet michelle the belle had something to say, that is if she reads drudge's page, which i doubt. maby someone will email her the link huh?

352 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:25:11am

re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

First, it would suck to require a service dog.

Second, it would be soooo cool to be able to travel with my dog.

Having a service dog has taught me lots about people. The stories I could tell...mostly very positive. But every once in a while someone decides to throw a fit, and then I have to slip into the role of educator. I try to be a good ambassador for the folks who have medical dogs.

"No, I'm not blind. Yes, there are dogs for all kinds of things now. No, I'm not making it up to slip my pet in where he doesn't belong. No, I'm not obliged to give you my medical history. Yes, he's fully trained. Yes, I'll pay if he pees on the carpet."

And so on.

353 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:25:17am

re: #347 Ojoe

Hey Democrats, you're in power, fix the economy.

It is with some restraint that I avoid using the word morons.


The Democratic Response to your posting:

It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault, It's Bush's Fault

354 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:25:33am

re: #331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I read it; it might be as bad as it looks.

It also might be a bunch of young, peeing in the water, running between tables, unsupervised brats that drove everybody to distraction within ten minutes.

Doubt we'll ever know for sure.

I think we will know because I see the civil rights' division of the DoJ getting involved in this.

355 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:25:33am

re: #346 Erik The Red

Look at the French Presidents expression.


yeah, i love it!

356 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:25:39am

She was sixteen? Jeez.

357 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:26:15am

re: #348 MandyManners

So, it is racism to assume that kids with darker skin and different features are poor.

I'd say both racism and classism really. I suspect that they assumed they were poor because they were black, but I bet if most of the kids had rural accents or mannerisms the same parents would complain.

Sounds like a bunch of elitist pricks.

358 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:26:21am

re: #352 Cato the Elder

Having a service dog has taught me lots about people. The stories I could tell...mostly very positive. But every once in a while someone decides to throw a fit, and then I have to slip into the role of educator. I try to be a good ambassador for the folks who have medical dogs.

"No, I'm not blind. Yes, there are dogs for all kinds of things now. No, I'm not making it up to slip my pet in where he doesn't belong. No, I'm not obliged to give you my medical history. Yes, he's fully trained. Yes, I'll pay if he pees on the carpet."

And so on.

Just tell them they're lucky, you could have brought your service monkey :-)

359 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:26:34am

re: #338 Cannadian Club Akbar

Very, very true. I grew up in the city and now live in the country. Elitist are elitist. If I am wearing a John Deere hat in public, they assume I am a hick.

Now, CCA, be honest. If you show up in the country wearing Armani they assume you're a liberal twit who hasn't sense enough to step out of the cow flop.

360 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:26:43am

re: #351 apachegunner

ahhhh, i just loved it, bet michelle the belle had something to say, that is if she reads drudge's page, which i doubt. maby someone will email her the link huh?

It's not just Drudge now. Fox ran the photograph this morning. I think KOS ran it yesterday. I wonder about CNN and MSNBC.

361 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:26:48am

re: #334 MandyManners

Those who dug up those bodies in the Illinois cemetery to resell the plots should never see the light of day again. It is an incomprehensible crime.

We're talking about Chicago. The bodies were probably out voting.

Seriously: the entire funeral industry needs a thorough investigation, from top to bottom and from coast to coast. You would not believe the shit that goes on, from the funeral home to the cemetery to the suppliers.

362 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:28:05am

re: #260 Cato the Elder

Hey everyone. Walter said some of you guys were looking for me. ;^)

I'm still on vacation. Left my curmudgeonly den on June 26. So far, I've stayed or visited in Kent, CT; Salem, NH; Edgecomb, ME; Stonington, ME (where I plan to move this time next year, inshallah); Dresden, ME; Wiscasset, ME (for the Glorious Fourth, with fireworks reflected in the water); Boston, MA; Williamstown, MA; Angola, NY; and now Paw Paw, MI.

The trip so far has been joyful and uneventful, except for when I had to call the police in Angola to get a motel owner to obey the law and give me a room with my service dog Haku. The local gendarme explained to the good man that he could either rent me the room and smile or face a lawsuit under the ADA, which would be handled by the Justice Department. I got the room, but the guy was still inclined to argue with me. Finally I just wished him and his family every good fortune and went to sleep. Maybe the next person with a service dog will get better treatment.

This morning I'm going to walk the property of my cousin Mike, a retired Michigan state trooper and private investigator. We'll have a look at things and then head for his private firing range for some target practice. I brought my H&K P7 for company and Mike has just about every other type of gun you could want.

It has been so wonderful to get out on the road for the first time in years and drive around this beautiful land of ours. I bought a Garmin GPS unit at the flagship L.L. Bean store and am discovering that paper maps are so last millennium. Still on my program are Marshall, MI, my ancestral home; Ann Arbor, MI, where I was born; Conway, MA, where a very old friend is waiting; and New York City. But I may make a flying visit to Taos, NM, first. Always wanted to go there. I guess if I decide to do that I'd better have the old Lincoln serviced first.

I'm very grateful my health has allowed this trip.

Sounds like a great trip. Glad you're having a good time!

363 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:28:13am

Gotta go look at that condo. bbl.

364 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:28:30am

re: #358 Desert Dog

Just tell them they're lucky, you could have brought your service monkey :-)

The service monkey just tears stuff up. The Service Lizard, now...fear him.

365 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:28:57am

re: #360 MandyManners
suppose gibbs the mouthpiece will touch upon it?

366 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:28:59am

re: #361 SixDegrees

We're talking about Chicago. The bodies were probably out voting.

Seriously: the entire funeral industry needs a thorough investigation, from top to bottom and from coast to coast. You would not believe the shit that goes on, from the funeral home to the cemetery to the suppliers.

A racket fer sure.....what does a funeral and burial cost these days? $10,000? ouch.

I told my kids I am donating my body to science. You know, so medical students can learn what happens to your body when you drink too much and take too many mind altering substances when you are a kid.

367 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:29:53am

re: #341 JacksonTn

SE ... I don't care who sent them money before - ...I am just saying that the same voters sold their votes for the stimulus check they received ... simple as that ... same type of person ... don't care if you don't like what I have to say about some Obama supporters but it is the truth ... I'll tell ya ...

jackson, unless you have information to prove something, it's an assumption, not "the truth." I certainly don't down-ding you for saying that though, and I don't find it offensive that your opinion differs from mine. What did you find offensive about my post?

The last time I slipped up here and said something was "the truth," a fellow named red very aptly called my hand on it, and asked me "Has somebody appointed you the unquestioned arbiter of the facts?" I apologized to him, and I've been careful not to use "the truth" again when I'm referring to my opinion. Does that sound reasonable to you?

368 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:30:21am

re: #297 TheMatrix31

Wait till the subduction zone earthquake that will happen off northern California, it might be an 8.0.

369 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:30:22am

re: #364 Cato the Elder

The service monkey just tears stuff up. The Service Lizard, now...fear him.

Monitor lizard? Komono dragon?

370 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:30:50am

re: #366 Desert Dog

A racket fer sure.....what does a funeral and burial cost these days? $10,000? ouch.

I told my kids I am donating my body to science. You know, so medical students can learn what happens to your body when you drink too much and take too many mind altering substances when you are a kid.

$10k would get you a mighty decent casket.

Personally, I just tell people to throw me out back, and throw compost on me when the smell gets too bad :P

371 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:31:31am

re: #369 Desert Dog

Monitor lizard? Komono dragon?

Grammar Monitor. The very worst.

372 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:32:00am

re: #359 razorbacker

Now, CCA, be honest. If you show up in the country wearing Armani they assume you're a liberal twit who hasn't sense enough to step out of the cow flop.

Armani or no Armani, when I show up drinking a Papst Blue Ribbon, they know where I am coming from:)

373 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:32:25am

re: #357 Mithrax

I'd say both racism and classism really. I suspect that they assumed they were poor because they were black, but I bet if most of the kids had rural accents or mannerisms the same parents would complain.

Sounds like a bunch of elitist pricks.

Mannerisms and accents are detectable only through observation for a while. This was an immediate reaction to color.

I do not like assuming racisim is an issue just because something bad happened to someone with darker skin. I find the constant cries of racism to be detrimental to working through the problem. It's the little by who cried "WOLF!" However, I think this is a text-book example of racism.

374 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:32:37am

re: #367 ShanghaiEd

SE ... it is the truth that many Obama supporters voted for him just to get their hands a friggin stimulus check ...

Oh, and I see the early morning stroke fest has begun ... I tell ya ...

Don't care what you post or what your standards are for posting ... I post what I want and it stands unless Charles sees fit to delete it ... I ding up or down as I want and I do not have to explain to anyone why I do it ...

375 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:32:57am

re: #370 Mithrax

$10k would get you a mighty decent casket.

Personally, I just tell people to throw me out back, and throw compost on me when the smell gets too bad :P

Ashes to ashes, funk to funky
(We know major toms a junkie)

The ultimate recycle job....yourself!

376 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:33:23am

re: #370 Mithrax

$10k would get you a mighty decent casket.

Personally, I just tell people to throw me out back, and throw compost on me when the smell gets too bad :P

It's not just the casket.
It's the crypt or plot for burial.
The hearse.
The services of the funeral home (and they honestly help a lot)
The room for visitation and viewing.
And $10K is what we paid for each of funeral for my mom and dad.
It included a very very nice casket, price around $2500 for the casket alone.

377 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:34:06am

re: #376 reine.de.tout

It's not just the casket.
It's the crypt or plot for burial.
The hearse.
The services of the funeral home (and they honestly help a lot)
The room for visitation and viewing.
And $10K is what we paid for each of funeral for my mom and dad.
It included a very very nice casket, price around $2500 for the casket alone.

Canadian prices are higher then.

378 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:34:23am

re: #351 apachegunner

ahhhh, i just loved it, bet michelle the belle had something to say, that is if she reads drudge's page, which i doubt. maby someone will email her the link huh?

On some TV show, there was a character who said, "I accepted that by husband would look at other women, when I married a heterosexual man with eyes." My wife will say "With eyes," when she catches me looking -- or sometimes when she is pointing out a woman who she thinks I should be looking at.

379 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:34:59am

Look. If you are going to try to buy votes, you send the money to where the votes to be bought are. Cities. That's where the organizers are, that's where the mass media buys will be most effective, that's where the folks who are pretty much dependent on others for the very basics of existence live.

It makes good sense to me.

380 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:35:12am

re: #377 Mithrax

Canadian prices are higher then.

Ah. I probably should have paid attention to the thread of the discussion.

381 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:35:21am

re: #349 razorbacker

I'm no poll-watcher. I make no claims to able to tell the future. I don't even know what's going to happen to me thirty minutes from now.

But when a Democrat Congresscritter from a safe district (the only guy outside of California to defeat a Republican incumbent in 2000, unopposed in 2004 and 2008) sends out a letter detailing his distance from Der Commandant Pelosi and PGI Obama and how he ain't like them at all, nope, no way then there may be some small cracks in the Democrat monolith.

Anyway, that's Mike Ross.

There's trouble brewing over health care. A group of Democrats isn't liking the plan much, and they're threatening to bail on it. Details here.

NOW is the time to act, if it's to make any difference at all. Kill this thing in the House, with the help of Democrats, or even significantly wound it, and it will die in the Senate. Contact your representatives early and often.

Details to be "rolled out" today, at the bottom of the news cycle just before the weekend, in order to bury it and limit public awareness. The House leadership knows this bill is a disaster waiting to happen, so they're rushing it through in the dead of night hoping no one will notice.

Notice. Loudly. The House Democratic majority is splintered, and it will make a difference.

382 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:35:39am

re: #361 SixDegrees

We're talking about Chicago. The bodies were probably out voting.

Seriously: the entire funeral industry needs a thorough investigation, from top to bottom and from coast to coast. You would not believe the shit that goes on, from the funeral home to the cemetery to the suppliers.

Oh, Congress is too busy investigating the NCAA bowl system.

My mom has told me repeatedly not to bury her in her diamonds and to make sure that we personally remove all of them before the coffin is closed so that they will not be taken by funeral home workers.

383 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:35:49am

re: #376 reine.de.tout

It's not just the casket.
It's the crypt or plot for burial.
The hearse.
The services of the funeral home (and they honestly help a lot)
The room for visitation and viewing.
And $10K is what we paid for each of funeral for my mom and dad.
It included a very very nice casket, price around $2500 for the casket alone.

Funerals are expensive; the cost of the casket is usually the least of it, as you note.

384 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:35:55am

re: #372 Cannadian Club Akbar

Pabst....PIMF

385 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:36:07am

re: #365 apachegunner

suppose gibbs the mouthpiece will touch upon it?

Not a chance.

386 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:36:36am

re: #376 reine.de.tout

It's not just the casket.
It's the crypt or plot for burial.
The hearse.
The services of the funeral home (and they honestly help a lot)
The room for visitation and viewing.
And $10K is what we paid for each of funeral for my mom and dad.
It included a very very nice casket, price around $2500 for the casket alone.

Don't forget he vault, so that the casket doesn't collapse quickly and the gravesite cave in.

It costs a lot to plant someone.

387 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:36:49am

re: #371 Cato the Elder

Grammar Monitor. The very worst.

i once had a fight with a grammar monitor, it was my fourth grade english teacher ;>0

388 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:37:06am

re: #382 MandyManners

Oh, Congress is too busy investigating the NCAA bowl system.

My mom has told me repeatedly not to bury her in her diamonds and to make sure that we personally remove all of them before the coffin is closed so that they will not be taken by funeral home workers.

MM ... isn't that sad but it does happen ... my mother would not take my grandmothers rings off when she was buried ... we tried to get her to but she was not going for it ... I really hope they are still in the casket but would not be surprised if they were not ...

389 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:38:27am

re: #372 Cannadian Club Akbar

Armani or no Armani, when I show up drinking a Papst Blue Ribbon, they know where I am coming from:)

If you wanna' fuck with their minds, wear a Polo shirt, a John Deere cap and drink Pabst while wearing Italian loafers.

390 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:38:38am

re: #383 iceweasel

Funerals are expensive; the cost of the casket is usually the least of it, as you note.

A little top 10 12 list written by me...

1) Don't hire a minister, hire a Walmart Greeter.

2) If you opt for a creamation, ask them if they could just do chunks instead of ashes.

3) A casket, forget it. If a cardboard box is good enought for the homeless then...

4) Don't spend all that money on a burial outfit, go naked.

5) Police escorts are expensive. Forget it. Get one of those spinning lights from Radio Shack.

6) Have you ever priced a hearse? You must know someone who has a pick up truck.

7) Hold the reception at the Rescue Mission.

8) Burial plots are terribly overpriced. Do any of your friends have a basement?

9) Bubble wrap instead of satin linings.

10) Can you say "forget the whole thing." Maybe no one will even notice.

11) Don't buy flowers, just spray some Glade and call it good.

12) No need to fill the grave back up with dirt, let mother nature do the work.

391 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:39:04am

There are some companies now that take some of the ashes of someone who has been cremated and turn them into a diamond. My wife and I have talked about that.

If she dies first -- which she insists on doing -- I might have the diamond mounted as a ring and, if I want to get married again, offer it as an engagement ring. If my prospective wife couldn't handle that, there are other things about me she'd have problems with.

392 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:39:04am

re: #374 JacksonTn

SE ... it is the truth that many Obama supporters voted for him just to get their hands a friggin stimulus check ...

Oh, and I see the early morning stroke fest has begun ... I tell ya ...

Don't care what you post or what your standards are for posting ... I post what I want and it stands unless Charles sees fit to delete it ... I ding up or down as I want and I do not have to explain to anyone why I do it ...

Go back and listen to people in some of those "town hall" meetings, listen to what they said they wanted and expected from Obama.

And although I have not heard many stories like this, I have heard a few:
My sister-in-law was filling her car up with gasoline, a Toyota SUV. A woman at the next pump looked the car over, remarked on how nice it was. They got into a short conversation, and the woman ended up saying she couldn't wait until Obama was elected, 'cause "he" would make sure she got a new car.

393 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:39:08am

re: #329 SixDegrees

I'd guess it's more of a well-worn path that Federal money follows to urban areas than any sort of quid pro quo.

The way I look at it is this: Obama was the one who sold himself as a new politician, above partisan politics. This was his bill, not Bush's, not the Republicans, but his and the Democrats. And they are still using methodologies that funnel a majority of the money to their base.

Not that I'm surprised, far from it.

But I had to listen to liberals and the left rip every single thing the Republicans did for years (not that they did not deserve some criticism) while they talked big and loud about how they would handle things.

OK, so now the Democrats with both Houses and the White House. They are in charge, they don't need a single Republican vote to do anything.

So now I'm going to hold them accountable for their past bragging and finger pointing, and I'm going to point out their hypocrisy and their mistakes.

Sure they are using a long stand methodology, no argument. But they did not have to. And it just so happens to be transferring wealth from "the rich" to their support base. And these were the people who said they were tired of partisanship and would rise above all that.

394 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:39:51am

re: #376 reine.de.tout

It's not just the casket.
It's the crypt or plot for burial.
The hearse.
The services of the funeral home (and they honestly help a lot)
The room for visitation and viewing.
And $10K is what we paid for each of funeral for my mom and dad.
It included a very very nice casket, price around $2500 for the casket alone.

Don't forget the flowers.

395 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:40:44am

re: #386 razorbacker

Don't forget he vault, so that the casket doesn't collapse quickly and the gravesite cave in.

It costs a lot to plant someone.

We got an above-ground double crypt when Mom died, so when Dad died, we already had it. No vault needed.

My husband and I have made a crypt purchase in our church cemetary - a double, penthouse suite (upper level, less expensive, but we'll have a great view).

396 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:40:47am

re: #366 Desert Dog

A racket fer sure.....what does a funeral and burial cost these days? $10,000? ouch.

I told my kids I am donating my body to science. You know, so medical students can learn what happens to your body when you drink too much and take too many mind altering substances when you are a kid.

10 grand would be the bare minimum, with substantial discount applied; mostly, you can't even walk through the doors at a funeral parlor without coughing up $15,000, and that'll buy you a cardboard coffin and a service in the back room somewhere. That assumes, of course, that you already own a plot to be planted in somewhere - if not, get ready to cough up several thousand more. Cremation is cheaper, but if you want your ashes stored in something better than Tupperware, prepare to be shocked at how much a metal box costs.

That's just the tip of the iceberg. Mutilated bodies, multiple corpses stuffed into a single burial vault, vaults double-stacked in the cemetery...it goes on and on. The entire industry reeks of both embalming fluid and corruption.

397 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:40:55am

re: #388 JacksonTn

MM ... isn't that sad but it does happen ... my mother would not take my grandmothers rings off when she was buried ... we tried to get her to but she was not going for it ... I really hope they are still in the casket but would not be surprised if they were not ...

Mom will keep her wedding rings but, that's it.

398 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:41:22am

re: #392 reine.de.tout

Go back and listen to people in some of those "town hall" meetings, listen to what they said they wanted and expected from Obama.

And although I have not heard many stories like this, I have heard a few:
My sister-in-law was filling her car up with gasoline, a Toyota SUV. A woman at the next pump looked the car over, remarked on how nice it was. They got into a short conversation, and the woman ended up saying she couldn't wait until Obama was elected, 'cause "he" would make sure she got a new car.

Reine ... Hey! ... many many stories like that ... I have heard a few from peoples mouths around here ... no surprise ... RACIST! ... thought I would go ahead and get that out of the way ...

I am going to the Apple store this afternoon ... I will be calling you for instructions! ... hahahahah ... what is your favorite app? ...

399 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:41:59am

re: #290 ShanghaiEd

Or as they call it financial circles, "one fourth of a Romney."

By the way, Romney is not holding public office now, Giannoulias is.

400 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:42:09am

Towercam dawn

BBL, this evening, Pacific time zone, probably.

401 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:42:09am

re: #389 MandyManners

And smoking a Lucky Strike being held between the tips of my forefinger and thumb. Heh.

402 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:42:13am

re: #390 Walter L. Newton

A little top 10 12 list written by me...

1) Don't hire a minister, hire a Walmart Greeter.

2) If you opt for a creamation, ask them if they could just do chunks instead of ashes.

3) A casket, forget it. If a cardboard box is good enought for the homeless then...

4) Don't spend all that money on a burial outfit, go naked.

5) Police escorts are expensive. Forget it. Get one of those spinning lights from Radio Shack.

6) Have you ever priced a hearse? You must know someone who has a pick up truck.

7) Hold the reception at the Rescue Mission.

8) Burial plots are terribly overpriced. Do any of your friends have a basement?

9) Bubble wrap instead of satin linings.

10) Can you say "forget the whole thing." Maybe no one will even notice.

11) Don't buy flowers, just spray some Glade and call it good.

12) No need to fill the grave back up with dirt, let mother nature do the work.

Oh, you are terrible Walter.

Why am I laughing?

403 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:42:35am

re: #390 Walter L. Newton

A little top 10 12 list written by me...

1) Don't hire a minister, hire a Walmart Greeter.

2) If you opt for a creamation, ask them if they could just do chunks instead of ashes.

3) A casket, forget it. If a cardboard box is good enought for the homeless then...

4) Don't spend all that money on a burial outfit, go naked.

5) Police escorts are expensive. Forget it. Get one of those spinning lights from Radio Shack.

6) Have you ever priced a hearse? You must know someone who has a pick up truck.

7) Hold the reception at the Rescue Mission.

8) Burial plots are terribly overpriced. Do any of your friends have a basement?

9) Bubble wrap instead of satin linings.

10) Can you say "forget the whole thing." Maybe no one will even notice.

11) Don't buy flowers, just spray some Glade and call it good.

12) No need to fill the grave back up with dirt, let mother nature do the work.

Walter - your number 4 is funny. But I will tell you, in Louisiana, it is the LAW that a corpse be fully dressed, including underwear, sock, shoes, and clothing, in case there is an accident and the casket pops open.

404 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:42:37am

re: #376 reine.de.tout

It's not just the casket.
It's the crypt or plot for burial.
The hearse.
The services of the funeral home (and they honestly help a lot)
The room for visitation and viewing.
And $10K is what we paid for each of funeral for my mom and dad.
It included a very very nice casket, price around $2500 for the casket alone.

Cheap, compared to around here. But still excessive.

405 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:43:01am

re: #391 3 Sigma E

There are some companies now that take some of the ashes of someone who has been cremated and turn them into a diamond. My wife and I have talked about that.

If she dies first -- which she insists on doing -- I might have the diamond mounted as a ring and, if I want to get married again, offer it as an engagement ring. If my prospective wife couldn't handle that, there are other things about me she'd have problems with.

Why not pierce your ear and wear the diamond yourself?

406 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:43:18am

re: #390 Walter L. Newton

Ok, I'm partly horrified, but that was hilarious. :)

407 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:43:22am

re: #370 Mithrax

Had to bury my mother in law. She was a simple woman and said all she needed was a pine box. Funeral home actually had one. Back about 95, and it was billed as a "green" casket. Guess it also helped with the cremation.

408 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:43:31am

re: #374 JacksonTn

SE ... it is the truth that many Obama supporters voted for him just to get their hands a friggin stimulus check ...

Oh, and I see the early morning stroke fest has begun ... I tell ya ...

Don't care what you post or what your standards are for posting ... I post what I want and it stands unless Charles sees fit to delete it ... I ding up or down as I want and I do not have to explain to anyone why I do it ...

I hear you, loud and clear.

I hadn't noticed anybody having a stroke so far, though...

409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:43:44am

re: #354 MandyManners

I think we will know because I see the civil rights' division of the DoJ getting involved in this.

I don't see the full truth coming out of that either.

410 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:44:04am

re: #398 JacksonTn

Reine ... Hey! ... many many stories like that ... I have heard a few from peoples mouths around here ... no surprise ... RACIST! ... thought I would go ahead and get that out of the way ...

I am going to the Apple store this afternoon ... I will be calling you for instructions! ... hahahahah ... what is your favorite app? ...

my favorite app, because I am an idiot and pay no attention to where I've parked, is a freebie called "Take me to my Car".

411 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:44:08am

re: #405 MandyManners

Why not pierce your ear and wear the diamond yourself?

That's an idea.

412 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:44:09am

re: #392 reine.de.tout

Go back and listen to people in some of those "town hall" meetings, listen to what they said they wanted and expected from Obama.

And although I have not heard many stories like this, I have heard a few:
My sister-in-law was filling her car up with gasoline, a Toyota SUV. A woman at the next pump looked the car over, remarked on how nice it was. They got into a short conversation, and the woman ended up saying she couldn't wait until Obama was elected, 'cause "he" would make sure she got a new car.


413 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:45:08am

re: #393 3 wood

The way I look at it is this: Obama was the one who sold himself as a new politician, above partisan politics. This was his bill, not Bush's, not the Republicans, but his and the Democrats. And they are still using methodologies that funnel a majority of the money to their base.

Not that I'm surprised, far from it.

But I had to listen to liberals and the left rip every single thing the Republicans did for years (not that they did not deserve some criticism) while they talked big and loud about how they would handle things.

OK, so now the Democrats with both Houses and the White House. They are in charge, they don't need a single Republican vote to do anything.

So now I'm going to hold them accountable for their past bragging and finger pointing, and I'm going to point out their hypocrisy and their mistakes.

Sure they are using a long stand methodology, no argument. But they did not have to. And it just so happens to be transferring wealth from "the rich" to their support base. And these were the people who said they were tired of partisanship and would rise above all that.

For those of us that could see this while Candidate Obama was promising the moon and stars, I offer up a hearty "WE TOLD YOU SO" to the burrheads and starry-eyed koolaid gulpers that elected this phony to office.

414 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:45:09am

re: #400 Ojoe

Towercam dawn

BBL, this evening, Pacific time zone, probably.

Beautiful as ever!

415 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:45:23am

re: #396 SixDegrees

They aren't cheap, but ten grand will still get you six feet under in South Arkansas. We may be getting the volume discount, but we're getting away for a little bit less than that to get a nice service for our folks who join the silent majority.

416 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:45:40am

re: #401 Cannadian Club Akbar

And smoking a Lucky Strike being held between the tips of my forefinger and thumb. Heh.

A can of Skoal in your back pocket would be better.

417 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:45:41am

re: #403 reine.de.tout

Walter - your number 4 is funny. But I will tell you, in Louisiana, it is the LAW that a corpse be fully dressed, including underwear, sock, shoes, and clothing, in case there is an accident and the casket pops open.

Clean underwear? 'Cause you never know

418 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:46:00am

re: #407 BlueCanuck

Had to bury my mother in law. She was a simple woman and said all she needed was a pine box. Funeral home actually had one. Back about 95, and it was billed as a "green" casket. Guess it also helped with the cremation.

When my parents planned their wills (including funeral arrangements thankfully) they had the tour of the crematorium and sure enough they saw the caskets going in, and the pine boxes too.

I've done a few Social Services funerals, and that's always an experience.

419 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:46:16am

re: #412 Cannadian Club Akbar

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420 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:47:07am

re: #397 MandyManners

Mom will keep her wedding rings but, that's it.

The wife's aunt left strict instructions, "No jewelry in the casket; I won't be needing it. Give it to..."

421 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:47:38am

re: #399 3 wood

By the way, Romney is not holding public office now, Giannoulias is.

Of course. I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

422 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:48:06am

re: #408 ShanghaiEd

I hear you, loud and clear.

I hadn't noticed anybody having a stroke so far, though...

You asked, and now you know SE. :)

423 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:48:11am

re: #408 ShanghaiEd

I hear you, loud and clear.

I hadn't noticed anybody having a stroke so far, though...

SE ... really? ... well, I was talking about a different kind of stroking ... I tell ya ...

424 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:48:36am

re: #340 apachegunner

anyone seen that photo of nobama staring at a sixteen year old's ass on drudge?

Apparently the girl is the daughter of the Brazilian President. I wonder if WAB scolded him for that?

425 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:48:50am

re: #420 razorbacker

The wife's aunt left strict instructions, "No jewelry in the casket; I won't be needing it. Give it to..."

I have alloted $4000 in my will for a party to be held. The 1/10 of me that is Irish wishes to depart this earth with a good old fashioned Irish Wake for everyone.

426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:48:52am

re: #390 Walter L. Newton

Please don't bury me
Down in that cold, cold ground
I'd rather have 'em cut me up
And pass me all around
Throw my brain in a hurricane
The blind can have my eyes
The deaf can take both of my ears
If they don't mind the size.
Give my stomach to Milwaukee
If they run out of beer
Put my socks in a cedar box
Just get "em" out of here
Venus de Milo can have my arms
Look out! I've got your nose
Sell my heart to the junkman
And give my love to Rose


-John Prine

427 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:49:10am

re: #397 MandyManners

Mom will keep her wedding rings but, that's it.

If that's what you want, a family member needs to stay with the body at all times, from the moment the casket is closed to the moment it is fully buried. The funeral home will raise holy hell about this demand; face them down and demand it. If they escalate, explain your reasons, and suggest that perhaps the police should be asked to stand in for your family.

428 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:49:35am

re: #311 MandyManners

Am I the only one following the story about the Pennsylvania pool club that signed up a youth group to swim this summer and then threw them out when the kids showed up? The kids are either African-American or Hispanic and the rest of the club is white. The PTB have said that the group "changed the complexion" of the club and has refused to relent.

Morning Mandy. This is my general news area, and I still don't have a good sense of what actually happened. A lot of he said she said.

429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:49:48am

re: #424 NJDhockeyfan

Funny...My eyes automatically went to her ass before I even saw the Prez. I'm giving him a pass on that one.

430 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:49:53am

re: #424 NJDhockeyfan

Apparently the girl is the daughter of the Brazilian President. I wonder if WAB scolded him for that?

NJFHF ... oh, no! ...OR will be on here saying he could tell she was Brazilian just from looking at her butt ...

431 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:50:14am

re: #426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

John Prine is awesome

432 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:50:21am

re: #426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

-John Prine

Prine is quite brilliant, and under-rated. IMO.

433 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:50:52am

re: #413 Desert Dog

For those of us that could see this while Candidate Obama was promising the moon and stars, I offer up a hearty "WE TOLD YOU SO" to the burrheads and starry-eyed koolaid gulpers that elected this phony to office.

My best friend (who knows NOTHING nor cares to know anything about politics) said she was going to vote for Obama. No reason except she "liked" him.

He husband told her she couldn't vote for him because he believes in abortion. That's why she voted to McCain. Scary.

434 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:51:08am

The above mentioned aunt bought and paid for her funeral back in the 70s.

You could tell it, too. A powder blue casket, no less.

I tried to talk the rest of us into bell bottoms and sideburns, but no dice.

435 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:51:16am

re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't see the full truth coming out of that either.

By the time they subpoena all the e-mails, interview all the witnesses and club PTB, I think they'll have a pretty good picture. I also would be very surprised if there is not someone at some level of power who is horrified at what happened and is yearning to blow the whistle.

436 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:51:22am

re: #361 SixDegrees

We're talking about Chicago. The bodies were probably out voting.

Seriously: the entire funeral industry needs a thorough investigation, from top to bottom and from coast to coast. You would not believe the shit that goes on, from the funeral home to the cemetery to the suppliers.

This is not the first time this sort of thing has happened on the south side of Chicago.


I remember back in the 80's when I lived on the south side, there was a local cemetary that had the contract from city morgue to bury the indigent. They got paid a certain amount per deceased to bury them in a basic coffin and plot. Problem was, they were just throwing the corpses in a slit trench and throwing some lye on them and dump some dirt from a back hoe. No coffin, no vault, no individual plot.


I'll spare you the details on how this was discovered, but it was gruesome.

This is classic "Chicago".


I remember some years ago there was a certain waste hauler that had a contract to dispose of medical waste from Cook County hospital. Supposedly it was being incinerated. Instead, they were taking the barrels of stuff out to the lake at night and throwing it overboard. Eventually, some of this started washing up ashore and that tipped off the cops as to what was going on.

437 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:52:02am

re: #425 Desert Dog

I have alloted $4000 in my will for a party to be held. The 1/10 of me that is Irish wishes to depart this earth with a good old fashioned Irish Wake for everyone.

I've done that too, with the pipes playing in the background.

438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:52:10am

re: #435 MandyManners

Don't get me wrong... I hope you're right.

439 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:52:27am

re: #411 3 Sigma E

That's an idea.

Trust me, it's better than trying to use it as an engagement ring. That's downright ghoulish.

440 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:53:04am

re: #436 3 wood

This is not the first time this sort of thing has happened on the south side of Chicago.

I remember back in the 80's when I lived on the south side, there was a local cemetary that had the contract from city morgue to bury the indigent. They got paid a certain amount per deceased to bury them in a basic coffin and plot. Problem was, they were just throwing the corpses in a slit trench and throwing some lye on them and dump some dirt from a back hoe. No coffin, no vault, no individual plot.

I'll spare you the details on how this was discovered, but it was gruesome.

This is classic "Chicago".

I remember some years ago there was a certain waste hauler that had a contract to dispose of medical waste from Cook County hospital. Supposedly it was being incinerated. Instead, they were taking the barrels of stuff out to the lake at night and throwing it overboard. Eventually, some of this started washing up ashore and that tipped off the cops as to what was going on.

I cannot believe they did that to Uncle Vito.....the people at Soprano's Funeral Home told me he was in a beautiful casket with gold trim....thats what I paid for at least.....

441 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:53:07am

re: #424 NJDhockeyfan

Apparently the girl is the daughter of the Brazilian President. I wonder if WAB scolded him for that?

I'm not going to pile onto OBI Obama for that. That is a nice ass.

He might look into a pair of mirrored sunglasses, though.

442 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:53:07am

re: #404 SixDegrees

Cheap, compared to around here. But still excessive.

It was perhaps excessive. And we probably could have done it for $2-3 thousand less than we did.

But we were very happy to have the assistance of the funeral home, they did a very good job guiding us. And they called and made the arrangements for the flowers for Mom, the flag for my dad, getting the obituary to the newspaper in the right format - it took a lot of off us during a very stressful time. As it happens, we (brothers and I) wrote the obituaries, but if we had not done so, the funeral home would have with information we provided. And honestly, there was no pressure at all from the folks there to buy one of the expensive caskets (and they can get really expensive). We said up front we wanted something nice, but simple and inexpensive, and that's what they showed us.

443 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:53:21am

re: #420 razorbacker

The wife's aunt left strict instructions, "No jewelry in the casket; I won't be needing it. Give it to..."

Not even her wedding rings?

444 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:53:21am

re: #439 MandyManners

Trust me, it's better than trying to use it as an engagement ring. That's downright ghoulish.

As I said, a woman who had problems with that would have other problems with me ... I'm not sure we mean it seriously, however....

445 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:53:47am

re: #424 NJDhockeyfan

Apparently the girl is the daughter of the Brazilian President. I wonder if WAB scolded him for that?

Maybe she burned his waffle.

446 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:54:32am

re: #441 razorbacker

I'm not going to pile onto OBI Obama for that. That is a nice ass.

He might look into a pair of mirrored sunglasses, though.

If nothing else, that should end the rumors that he's really a homosexual.

447 freetoken  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:55:00am

I see that MJ's father is now saying he suspects there was foul play involved in MJ's death.

It has begun - the great conspiracy of our time.

448 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:55:03am

re: #445 MandyManners

Maybe she burned his waffle.

MM ... or ... maybe he now has "waffle iron marks" on his ...well I was going to say balls but I am not sure he has any ...

449 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:55:13am

re: #427 SixDegrees

If that's what you want, a family member needs to stay with the body at all times, from the moment the casket is closed to the moment it is fully buried. The funeral home will raise holy hell about this demand; face them down and demand it. If they escalate, explain your reasons, and suggest that perhaps the police should be asked to stand in for your family.

Trust me, no one is tougher than me. Ain't no one gonna' get over on me in this situation.

450 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:55:47am

re: #428 VioletTiger

Morning Mandy. This is my general news area, and I still don't have a good sense of what actually happened. A lot of he said she said.

As I posted to FBV, I'm thinking the DoJ will get involved.

451 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:56:31am

I have authorized several alternatives for disposal of my corpse, in order of preference:

1) Viking funeral, movie-style. For this option, I have allotted a portion of my estate to cover the carbon credits.
2) Eskimo ice floe. This one is looking less likely, and I am sure that there will be new regulations due to the huge number of dead polar bears floating around and the general scarcity of ice floes as the Bering Sea turns into sun tea in the next five years.
3) Native American sky burial. What can I say, it's a classic. Unlike Grandfather in Little Big Man, I promise to be dead.
4) Rohirrim Horse-Lord Burial Mound. The only acceptable burial option, IMO. Barrow-wights are optional; I am sure they are expensive.
5) Cremation and subsequent use as plant fertilizer. May as well accept reality.

/

452 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:56:32am

re: #443 MandyManners

Not even her wedding rings?

Not even the wedding rings. She said that they were good diamonds, and could easily be remounted for one of the girls.

453 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:56:33am

re: #447 freetoken

I see that MJ's father is now saying he suspects there was foul play involved in MJ's death.

It has begun - the great conspiracy of our time.

Just what we need. More troofers.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what the prevailing theory is before it gets a name.

454 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:56:43am

re: #386 razorbacker

Don't forget he vault, so that the casket doesn't collapse quickly and the gravesite cave in.

It costs a lot to plant someone.

When my step mother passed away my Dad paid about $23,000 all told. Services in Florida where they lived, transport back up to Chicago, service in Chicago, and of course the vault, coffin etc.

It's expensive.

I've told my family that when I go, if they spend much money on me I'll get up out of the coffin and kick their tails.

455 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:56:55am

re: #423 JacksonTn

SE ... really? ... well, I was talking about a different kind of stroking ... I tell ya ...

Hey, what you do at your computer is none of my business. :)

456 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:57:25am

re: #447 freetoken

I see that MJ's father is now saying he suspects there was foul play involved in MJ's death.

It has begun - the great conspiracy of our time.

Yes, it all stems from MJ's childhood....you see, he had a POS father than pushed him to hard, abused him and basically used him and his brother for his own gain. Then, he attempted to control and manipulate him for the rest of his life......that is pretty foul, Joe....very foul.

457 freetoken  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:57:29am

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Joe Jackson suspects "foul play" may have been involved in the sudden death of his son, Michael Jackson, he told ABC News in an exclusive interview.

In fact, the 79-year-old Jackson family patriarch was dumbfounded when he learned his 50-year-old son was being rushed to the hospital after collapsing at home on June 25, he told ABC News' Chris Connelly in an exclusive interview at the Jackson family compound in Encino, Calif.

"I just couldn't believe what was happening to Michael," he said.

"I do believe it was foul play," Jackson added. "I do believe that. Yes."

458 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:57:32am

re: #446 3 Sigma E

If nothing else, that should end the rumors that he's really a homosexual.

How so? He wasn't staring at her tits.

459 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:57:40am

Re-post from late last night, regarding 0bammer and the "lusting in his heart"... Took me ten minutes to write it, (I'm slow) so I want y'all to see it to.

I'm not faulting 0bama in the least. Like a freaking magnet for me, I just can not help myself.

Once was at a dinner with the wife of my Minister of Music. The wife (a very large breasted woman) caught me staring at her cleavage... she said, "Hey! What are you staring at!" Which came out of nowhere, because I had not been staring at her face (obviously). I said, "Well, hell! They're impressive!" The Minister fell out of his chair laughing...as did I.

460 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:57:53am

re: #455 ShanghaiEd

Hey, what you do at your computer is none of my business. :)

SE ... you don't get it ...

461 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:58:18am

re: #447 freetoken

What another new one? Will it supplant trooferisms, nirth certifikats, moon landing, JFK, Elvis in donut shops?

/I think I maybe missing a few....

462 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:58:27am

re: #451 OldLineTexan

I have authorized several alternatives for disposal of my corpse, in order of preference:

1) Viking funeral, movie-style. For this option, I have allotted a portion of my estate to cover the carbon credits.
2) Eskimo ice floe. This one is looking less likely, and I am sure that there will be new regulations due to the huge number of dead polar bears floating around and the general scarcity of ice floes as the Bering Sea turns into sun tea in the next five years.
3) Native American sky burial. What can I say, it's a classic. Unlike Grandfather in Little Big Man, I promise to be dead.
4) Rohirrim Horse-Lord Burial Mound. The only acceptable burial option, IMO. Barrow-wights are optional; I am sure they are expensive.
5) Cremation and subsequent use as plant fertilizer. May as well accept reality.

/

Option 1 looks good, but I will allow Mrs. Desert Dog to skip the usual practice of loading up the wife in the funeral boat before it's lit on fire.

463 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:58:35am

re: #451 OldLineTexan

I have authorized several alternatives for disposal of my corpse, in order of preference:

1) Viking funeral, movie-style. For this option, I have allotted a portion of my estate to cover the carbon credits.


That's another one my wife has suggested.

464 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:58:41am

re: #445 MandyManners

Maybe she burned his waffle.

Is that what you kids are calling it these days?

/

465 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:59:04am

re: #458 razorbacker

How so? He wasn't staring at her tits.

That wasn't a boyish butt in the least.

466 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 5:59:05am

re: #452 razorbacker

Not even the wedding rings. She said that they were good diamonds, and could easily be remounted for one of the girls.

My mom left instructions that my sister and I were to get her wedding and engagement rings. I don't think it is unusual for good jewelry not to be buried with the person.

467 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:00:09am

re: #454 3 wood

I've told my family that when I go, if they spend much money on me I'll get up out of the coffin and kick their tails.

I hear you, man.

I think that folks oughta buy their own funerals. What, you think that you aren't going to need one? Man up, pay your own way.

It's not like they're going to get cheaper, anyways. Prepay is the way.

468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:00:14am

re: #464 OldLineTexan

That's gold, Jerry! GOLD!
-Kenny Banya

469 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:00:50am

re: #455 ShanghaiEd

Hey, what you do at your computer is none of my business. :)

Get ready for more misinterpretation and more taking of Offense. The good stuff. Hardcore. None of that stepped-on shit other people have to take. :)

470 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:01:00am

re: #440 Desert Dog

I cannot believe they did that to Uncle Vito.....the people at Soprano's Funeral Home told me he was in a beautiful casket with gold trim....thats what I paid for at least.....

About 15 years ago somebody forgot to make a property tax payment on a big vacant lot along route 83 on the south side. The property got sold and the buyer went to build a house. As soon as the construction crew started moving dirt, they hit skeletons. Turns out this lot was a the final resting place for various folks the mob wanted to quietly make go away, dating back to the 20's. Cleared up a lot of open cases going back for decades, I can tell you.

471 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:01:05am

re: #466 VioletTiger

My mom left instructions that my sister and I were to get her wedding and engagement rings. I don't think it is unusual for good jewelry not to be buried with the person.

It's more common for it to be passed around. Generations of rings do run in families.

I bought an engagement ring (many moons ago) from an elderly parishioner because she had nobody left in her family to give it to. It was her mothers, and as she had no kids (or close relatives) she was thrilled that I could use it.

Still sitting in the little box.

472 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:01:24am

re: #447 freetoken

I see that MJ's father is now saying he suspects there was foul play involved in MJ's death.

It has begun - the great conspiracy of our time.

A caller on Rev Al's radio show said that Sarah Palin is resigning and the caller thought Palin had something to do with his death. Not sure if she was serious, but nothing surprises me anymore.

473 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:01:46am

re: #469 iceweasel

Wow, that sounded like seething.

/

474 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:02:07am

re: #469 iceweasel

Get ready for more misinterpretation and more taking of Offense. The good stuff. Hardcore. None of that stepped-on shit other people have to take. :)

Classic repost, but what the hell :P

475 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:02:14am

re: #424 NJDhockeyfan

Apparently the girl is the daughter of the Brazilian President. I wonder if WAB scolded him for that?

Please give me a link that says that the girl (Mayora Tavares) was the daughter of the Brazilian president? The current president is Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.

Link?

476 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:02:32am

re: #442 reine.de.tout

It was perhaps excessive. And we probably could have done it for $2-3 thousand less than we did.

But we were very happy to have the assistance of the funeral home, they did a very good job guiding us. And they called and made the arrangements for the flowers for Mom, the flag for my dad, getting the obituary to the newspaper in the right format - it took a lot of off us during a very stressful time. As it happens, we (brothers and I) wrote the obituaries, but if we had not done so, the funeral home would have with information we provided. And honestly, there was no pressure at all from the folks there to buy one of the expensive caskets (and they can get really expensive). We said up front we wanted something nice, but simple and inexpensive, and that's what they showed us.

Over the past two weeks, I've been planning Mom's funeral, from what she would wear to the coffin's flowers to the pall bearers to the songs. It's been my way of finding SOMETHING I could control.

But, it looks like this plan won't be implemented soon because--after more than two weeks on the ventilator--Mom's back on the cannula and is awake and grumpy. (The television in her room was on CNN until my mom ptiched a hissy fit to get it changed to Fox yesterday.)

So, to all the Lizards who kept Mom and us in their prayers and thoughts, thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Now, back to the regular thread....

477 rain of lead  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:02:42am

re: #460 JacksonTn

mornin JT,

how you doin?

478 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:03:19am

re: #476 MandyManners

Over the past two weeks, I've been planning Mom's funeral, from what she would wear to the coffin's flowers to the pall bearers to the songs. It's been my way of finding SOMETHING I could control.

But, it looks like this plan won't be implemented soon because--after more than two weeks on the ventilator--Mom's back on the cannula and is awake and grumpy. (The television in her room was on CNN until my mom ptiched a hissy fit to get it changed to Fox yesterday.)

So, to all the Lizards who kept Mom and us in their prayers and thoughts, thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Now, back to the regular thread....

Good news! :)

479 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:03:19am

re: #444 3 Sigma E

As I said, a woman who had problems with that would have other problems with me ... I'm not sure we mean it seriously, however....

I'm not a woman who squicks out easily but, this would freak me out.

Besides, I prefer sapphires.

480 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:03:38am

re: #474 Mithrax

[Video]Classic repost, but what the hell :P

Someone set it to clips from World of Warcraft. I've seen some pretty good clips like that ... Flogging Molly's "The Wild Rover" for one.

481 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:03:43am

re: #446 3 Sigma E

If nothing else, that should end the rumors that he's really a homosexual.

He could be bi!

482 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:03:59am

re: #477 rain of lead

mornin JT,

how you doin?

RoL ...Hey you! ... I am doing good ... just relaxing for a few hours before a very busy weekend of business ... when are ya'll coming back to town? ... and what is on the agenda for today with the baby and momcat ...

483 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:04:18am

re: #447 freetoken

I see that MJ's father is now saying he suspects there was foul play involved in MJ's death.

It has begun - the great conspiracy of our time.

Joe's just an attention whore who would milk anything to make a buck.

484 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:06:11am

re: #476 MandyManners

Believe it or not, my mom has her funeral mostly planned and paid for. Even down to who gets what. Every now and then she stresses to me which of the family heirlooms goes to which brother. I keep telling her she's going to bury me. :p

/only cause she will out live me due to healthier living. Still give it about another forty years or so.

485 rain of lead  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:06:51am

re: #482 JacksonTn

I'm working and they will be hitting the pool.
you gonna be at the FM on sat? we're thinking of comming down if it rains
like the weather guesser's are saying

486 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:06:58am

re: #448 JacksonTn

MM ... or ... maybe he now has "waffle iron marks" on his ...well I was going to say balls but I am not sure he has any ...

For some reason, I thought of Hendrix when I read your post.

487 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:07:20am

re: #481 MandyManners

He could be bi!

True. For that matter there are certain women who attract homosexuals ... and the funny thing is they're often very curvy women. I know of several gay Trekkies who have a real thing for Nichelle Nichols.

488 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:07:32am

re: #475 Walter L. Newton

Please give me a link that says that the girl (Mayora Tavares) was the daughter of the Brazilian president? The current president is Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.

Link?

I'm sort of answering my own question here, but I think NJhockeyfan is wrong in claiming that Mayora Tavares is the Brizilian presidents daughter. here is a list of his children.

Lurian Cordeiro
Marcos Cláudio
Fábio Luís
Sandro Luís
Luís Cláudio

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

And I cannot find any new article that claims otherwise.

489 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:07:35am

re: #452 razorbacker

Not even the wedding rings. She said that they were good diamonds, and could easily be remounted for one of the girls.

I can see that.

490 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:08:03am

re: #485 rain of lead

I'm working and they will be hitting the pool.
you gonna be at the FM on sat? we're thinking of comming down if it rains
like the weather guesser's are saying

RoL ... yep ... come on down ... and be quiet about the rain ... you only need to concern yourself with lead rain ... I don't want any rain this weekend! ...

491 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:08:15am

re: #458 razorbacker

How so? He wasn't staring at her tits.

*thud*

492 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:08:17am

re: #460 JacksonTn

SE ... you don't get it ...

Ed, be good will ya?

493 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:08:21am
494 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:08:25am

re: #484 BlueCanuck

Believe it or not, my mom has her funeral mostly planned and paid for. Even down to who gets what. Every now and then she stresses to me which of the family heirlooms goes to which brother. I keep telling her she's going to bury me. :p

/only cause she will out live me due to healthier living. Still give it about another forty years or so.

Everyone should have everything spelled out to the letter.

In Canada, if you die without a will, the government appoints a Queen's Counsel lawyer to organize your estate, and their fees are taken out of said estate.

495 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:08:56am

re: #473 OldLineTexan

re: #474 Mithrax

[Video]Classic repost, but what the hell :P

ha! brilliant, mithrax!

Another repost, for those others who, um, didn't get it? or 'took offense' at not "getting it"

JUST SAY NO

He took offense.

It started out in college. You know, just experimenting with it. But he liked it. He liked how it made him feel.

For a while it was just recreational -- weekends and parties and rallies and that kind of thing. But soon he was hanging out with some pretty hard-core users, with the kind of people who took offense all the time. They didn't need a reason or an excuse, it was just what they did. It was who they were. Soon he found he couldn't get through the day without it.

Over the years he even learned to grow his own, to take the tiniest seeds of umbrage and nurture them into full-grown pretexts for outrage. The good stuff.

Some of his old friends tried to stage an intervention -- to convince him that he had a problem, that his whole life had become consumed by his addiction.

He didn't respond well. He just took more offense -- right there in front of them.

Addicts, he told them, are always chasing diminishing returns. They're always needing more and stronger drugs to provide an ever-smaller high. But the stuff he was taking didn't work like that. His highs just kept getting stronger and stronger no matter how flimsy or insignificant the reason.

You're not trying to help me, he screamed at them. You're just jealous. And he yelled at them some more, trying to get them to take offense too.

They wouldn't touch it, of course, and just left quietly, looking sad. He took a hit of offense at that and sat back on the couch. They think I've got a problem, he thought, but they're the ones with a problem. Ohh. He inhaled deeply. Yes, yes that's it. His eyelids fluttered. It's because I'm better than them, better than all of them ...

Four days later his landlord called the police, saying there was an offensive smell drifting into the hallway. They found him there on the couch.

The official report from the medical examiner said it was an overdose.

Cheers, ice

496 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:08:57am

re: #475 Walter L. Newton

Please give me a link that says that the girl (Mayora Tavares) was the daughter of the Brazilian president? The current president is Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.

Link?

It was actually the G8 Junior delegate from Brazil. It was on the Fox caption. I'll find the link.

497 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:09:06am

re: #464 OldLineTexan

Is that what you kids are calling it these days?

/

LOL! Hoist by my own petard again!

498 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:09:18am

re: #493 NJDhockeyfan

Here is another picture of the girl with her father.

She's cute.

The caption lists her as a "Junior G8 delegate," not his daughterl

499 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:09:21am

re: #465 3 Sigma E

That wasn't a boyish butt in the least.

Point taken.

I wasn't aware, until this photo kerfluffle, that PGI Obama was rumored to bat for the other team.

I don't much care what others do to get their sexual kicks. I keep pretty busy just trying to satisfy my own urges.

But urm, well...face down, butt up, knees together with the frank and beans tucked away...I'd guess that except for the hair they'd look pretty similar.

A guess, you understand.

500 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:09:43am

re: #465 3 Sigma E

That wasn't a boyish butt in the least.

You got that right!

501 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:09:56am

re: #476 MandyManners

Over the past two weeks, I've been planning Mom's funeral, from what she would wear to the coffin's flowers to the pall bearers to the songs. It's been my way of finding SOMETHING I could control.

But, it looks like this plan won't be implemented soon because--after more than two weeks on the ventilator--Mom's back on the cannula and is awake and grumpy. (The television in her room was on CNN until my mom ptiched a hissy fit to get it changed to Fox yesterday.)

So, to all the Lizards who kept Mom and us in their prayers and thoughts, thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Now, back to the regular thread....

Mandy - great news!
Just great.

502 rain of lead  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:10:56am

re: #490 JacksonTn

we're playing the weekend by ear, been doing yardwork all week so I can
chill sat and sun

503 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:11:10am

re: #493 NJDhockeyfan

Here is another picture of the girl with her father.

She's cute.

Did you read my re: #488 Walter L. Newton

This girl is NOT HIS DAUGHTER. Please supply a link to that information if you believe that.

She is a 16 year old special delegate that was part of a GROUP of other young teens who were invited by the Brazilian president to attend the conference.

504 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:11:21am

re: #493 NJDhockeyfan

Here is another picture of the girl with her father.

She's cute.

Actually it says his Junior Delegate. Nothing about her being his daughter at all.

505 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:11:40am

re: #496 VioletTiger

It was actually the G8 Junior delegate from Brazil. It was on the Fox caption. I'll find the link.

I know who she was, that's my point, she is not the daughter of the Brazilian president.

506 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:11:44am

re: #70 zombie

• A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.

Obama's "science czar" said that? words fail me.

507 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:12:11am

re: #484 BlueCanuck

Believe it or not, my mom has her funeral mostly planned and paid for. Even down to who gets what. Every now and then she stresses to me which of the family heirlooms goes to which brother. I keep telling her she's going to bury me. :p

/only cause she will out live me due to healthier living. Still give it about another forty years or so.

You might want to tell her to address that in a will. That way, there will be no possibility of hard feelings or recriminations. I'm not saying you and your brothers are venal but, strange things happen to people when death and inheritance are involved.

508 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:12:29am

Good Morning, {all y'all}
HOLLA AT FRIDAY! ! !

509 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:12:32am

re: #498 3 Sigma E

The caption lists her as a "Junior G8 delegate," not his daughterl

I think you are right. I stand corrected.

510 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:12:44am

re: #494 Mithrax

I know, that's why my mom has everything spelled out in will form and spoken form. She's becoming a tough little biddy in my opinion. :)

/looks about 15 years younger then her actual age as well.

511 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:12:47am

re: #487 3 Sigma E

True. For that matter there are certain women who attract homosexuals ... and the funny thing is they're often very curvy women. I know of several gay Trekkies who have a real thing for Nichelle Nichols.

I believe the phrase is "fag hag".

512 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:13:34am

re: #494 Mithrax

Everyone should have everything spelled out to the letter.

In Canada, if you die without a will, the government appoints a Queen's Counsel lawyer to organize your estate, and their fees are taken out of said estate.

DITTO!

513 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:14:08am

re: #494 Mithrax

Everyone should have everything spelled out to the letter.

In Canada, if you die without a will, the government appoints a Queen's Counsel lawyer to organize your estate, and their fees are taken out of said estate.

Dying intestate can really screw things up.

514 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:14:12am

re: #495 iceweasel

Well, I hope you're around for the next cage-match "ACC (AGW) skepticism = ACC (AGW) Denial = Holocaust Denial = You're a Nazi" thread, because we sure could use someone with a sense of self-balance when the h8ing starts.

;)

515 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:14:18am

re: #507 MandyManners

You might want to tell her to address that in a will. That way, there will be no possibility of hard feelings or recriminations. I'm not saying you and your brothers are venal but, strange things happen to people when death and inheritance are involved.

MM ... you got that right! ... happened with my family ... sometimes money changes everything the more money the more crap ... put it down in writing! and even then it still gets crazy ... I have a friend who is probate attorney ... she can tell stores that are just horrible ...

516 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:14:21am

Sports Nerd Corner:

The White Sox got beat yesterday 10 - 8 by the Cleveland Indians. White Sox starting pitcher Clayton Richard got smoked for 6 runs in 1 inning. He had control problems, but moreover, the Indian hitters acted like they knew what was coming>


That's cause they did.

If you saw the game or any replays in ESPN, a close eye on Richards glove hand will show that his glove is about 40% open during his wind up when he's throwing a breaking ball and very closed around the ball when he's getting ready to throw a fastball.

In other words, Richard was accidentally tipping his pitches and telling the hitters what was coming on every one. He will learn, he's young. but his cathcer or coaches should have caught that after the 2nd hitter of the game and gone out and stopped him form doing that.

Any time you are watching a baseball game and hitter after hitter looks like he knows what is coming it's probably due to something like that. Sometimes the catcher tips off the pitch by how they set up after they give the signal. I went to a minor league game here about a month ago and I could read every pitch that one side threw based on how the catcher set up.

White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen must have been sleeping in the dugout.

517 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:14:25am

re: #511 MandyManners

I believe the phrase is "fag hag".

"Fag hags" are women who like hanging out with gay guys.

518 freetoken  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:14:51am

re: #483 MandyManners

Joe's just an attention whore who would milk anything to make a buck.

Not only that... I left out part of the story. Apparently Joe and Mrs. are going to fight for custody of the kids. Of course, that means that whatever is left of the estate (that no doubt will take a lengthy court battle to conclude) that ends up in the kids' names will be controlled by... Joe.

519 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:15:00am

re: #513 MandyManners

Dying intestate can really screw things up.

My parents winter in florida, I dread if anything happens down there.

520 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:15:15am

ABC News has a video of the Obama Bootygate (can I coin that?) incident...

When you see the video, it's not clear that Obama was checking out the young woman's derriere ...maybe, maybe not. Sarkozy, on the other hand, is busted!

521 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:16:22am

re: #520 Kenneth

ABC News has a video of the Obama Bootygate (can I coin that?) incident...

When you see the video, it's not clear that Obama was checking out the young woman's derriere ...maybe, maybe not. Sarkozy, on the other hand, is busted!

He's French, that's the way he is supposed to act

522 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:16:26am

re: #480 3 Sigma E

Someone set it to clips from World of Warcraft. I've seen some pretty good clips like that ... Flogging Molly's "The Wild Rover" for one.


ahh, i just love the rovers

523 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:16:35am

re: #501 reine.de.tout

Mandy - great news!
Just great.

The only draw-back is that she likely will need a feeding tube for the rest of her life due to aspiration issues. But, better that than the alternative!

524 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:16:51am

re: #521 Desert Dog

He's French, that's the way he is supposed to act

Man, I was just going to say that. Mme. Sarkozy would probably toss him out if he didn't look.

525 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:17:46am

re: #523 MandyManners

The only draw-back is that she likely will need a feeding tube for the rest of her life due to aspiration issues. But, better that than the alternative!

A friend's 11-year-old daughter has that (she can't swallow), and she does pretty well.

Best of luck.

526 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:18:28am

re: #510 BlueCanuck

I know, that's why my mom has everything spelled out in will form and spoken form. She's becoming a tough little biddy in my opinion. :)

/looks about 15 years younger then her actual age as well.

A written instrument will over-rule any spoken instructions.

527 freetoken  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:18:35am

re: #520 Kenneth

I'm probably the only one, on first seeing the photo, though that the President was checking out the young girls... shoes. Really.

/Manolo is watching...

528 The Left  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:18:43am

re: #514 OldLineTexan

Well, I hope you're around for the next cage-match "ACC (AGW) skepticism = ACC (AGW) Denial = Holocaust Denial = You're a Nazi" thread, because we sure could use someone with a sense of self-balance when the h8ing starts.

;)

I hope I'll be around. Maybe I'll even be balanced, but that I can't promise. I'll try! :)
I also hope you know I wasn't making fun of you with my last post!

really have to run now-- have a good day, OLT!
cheers, ice

529 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:18:45am

re: #517 3 Sigma E

"Fag hags" are women who like hanging out with gay guys.

Sure. It's like having girlfriends without the cattiness.

/ducks

530 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:19:02am

re: #520 Kenneth

ABC News has a video of the Obama Bootygate (can I coin that?) incident...

So far this morning on the radio, I've heard it referred to as "Baby got Barack" and "Tail to the Chief". Obama Bootygate works just as well.

531 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:19:13am

re: #515 JacksonTn

MM ... you got that right! ... happened with my family ... sometimes money changes everything the more money the more crap ... put it down in writing! and even then it still gets crazy ... I have a friend who is probate attorney ... she can tell stores that are just horrible ...

Not the money. But a damned photo of the old homestead taken by a pilot in the late 60s. I swear that I thought there was going to be a fistfight.

When I spoke up and mentioned that I could easily scan and copy however many they wanted, everyone got quiet and said, "Oh. Yeah. We can do that."

So, that Christmas everybody got a framed print and you'd have thought that I'd given diamonds or gold.

532 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:19:22am

Two ministers and a lawyer are instructed by a wealthy man (who insisted that he could "take it with him") to throw an envelop containing five million dollars into his casket as they close the lid.

As they leave the funeral one of the ministers says, "I have to admit, times have been tough, I took a million dollars from my envelope."
Second minister says, "We've spent so much money feeding the poor lately, I had to take two million out of mine."
The attorney says, "I am shocked! You are ministers of the Gospel and you should both be ashamed of yourselves. I, myself, put in my own personal check for $5,000,000.00 in the casket."

533 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:19:29am

re: #515 JacksonTn

MM ... you got that right! ... happened with my family ... sometimes money changes everything the more money the more crap ... put it down in writing! and even then it still gets crazy ... I have a friend who is probate attorney ... she can tell stores that are just horrible ...

Oh, I bet she can.

534 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:19:39am

re: #527 freetoken

I'm probably the only one, on first seeing the photo, though that the President was checking out the young girls... shoes. Really.

/Manolo is watching...

Me, I don't see anything untoward going on.

It's fun to bust Obama's chops, though. I'll admit it.

535 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:20:06am

Ugh, LGF is really slow and buggy for me again.

536 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:20:08am

re: #517 3 Sigma E

"Fag hags" are women who like hanging out with gay guys.

Isn't that what you described in your OP?

537 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:20:09am

re: #517 3 Sigma E

"Fag hags" are women who like hanging out with gay guys.

My wife's gay friends call her a "fag hag". So, I guess it's okay.

538 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:20:16am

re: #524 OldLineTexan

Man, I was just going to say that. Mme. Sarkozy would probably toss him out if he didn't look.

Why are we all "seething and raging" over this issue? We have more import things to squabble over like Ron Paul and the Holocaust revisionist fuckers on LGF, and trumped up Rasmussen polls and lions and tigers and trolls, oh my.

539 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:20:21am

re: #486 MandyManners

Heck yeah! major Upding for a Jimi video to start the morning!

540 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:20:41am

re: #515 JacksonTn

MM ... you got that right! ... happened with my family ... sometimes money changes everything the more money the more crap ... put it down in writing! and even then it still gets crazy ... I have a friend who is probate attorney ... she can tell stores that are just horrible ...

My oldest brother handled the sale of our parents house after my mother died. Her will stated everthing was to be divided equally among the three of us. And it was. I loved him for that.

541 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:21:18am

re: #520 Kenneth

ABC News has a video of the Obama Bootygate (can I coin that?) incident...

When you see the video, it's not clear that Obama was checking out the young woman's derriere ...maybe, maybe not. Sarkozy, on the other hand, is busted!

That photo of Obama - I think it's impossible to take a flat photo and figure out exactly where a person is looking and what they're looking at. A photo captures forever what may have happened in a nano-second as a person is moving around.

It's been fun speculating about that photo - but I don't think either he or Sarkozy were ogling.

542 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:21:28am

re: #535 Killgore Trout

Ugh, LGF is really slow and buggy for me again.

It's a plot.

543 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:21:39am

re: #441 razorbacker

I'm not going to pile onto OBI Obama for that.

Agreed. Any normal male with a pulse would have taken at least a glance.

544 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:21:43am

re: #466 VioletTiger

My mom left instructions that my sister and I were to get her wedding and engagement rings. I don't think it is unusual for good jewelry not to be buried with the person.

Both of my grandparents left their jewelry behind, mostly pre-allocated to particular family members. Granddad had a diamond ring that I wound up with; I had the diamond remounted in a necklace for the wife. I also have his watch, which I wear every day.

545 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:21:45am

re: #535 Killgore Trout

Ugh, LGF is really slow and buggy for me again.

Zoooming right along for me today. What kind of system are you running? What is your connection to the internet?

546 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:21:47am

re: #538 Walter L. Newton

Why are we all "seething and raging" over this issue? We have more import things to squabble over like Ron Paul and the Holocaust revisionist fuckers on LGF, and trumped up Rasmussen polls and lions and tigers and trolls, oh my.

You're right, of course.

/

547 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:21:53am

re: #536 MandyManners

Isn't that what you described in your OP?

I described women who gay men are attracted to ... not women who like hanging around them. Though there is a fair deal of overlap.

548 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:22:01am

re: #518 freetoken

Not only that... I left out part of the story. Apparently Joe and Mrs. are going to fight for custody of the kids. Of course, that means that whatever is left of the estate (that no doubt will take a lengthy court battle to conclude) that ends up in the kids' names will be controlled by... Joe.

Isn't the mother fighting, too?

What a cluster-fuck.

549 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:22:01am

re: #531 razorbacker

Not the money. But a damned photo of the old homestead taken by a pilot in the late 60s. I swear that I thought there was going to be a fistfight.

When I spoke up and mentioned that I could easily scan and copy however many they wanted, everyone got quiet and said, "Oh. Yeah. We can do that."

So, that Christmas everybody got a framed print and you'd have thought that I'd given diamonds or gold.

My brothers and I have planned to do that with all of the family pictures (and there is an album for every year from 1940 - 1990), but we haven't gotten around to it yet.

550 quickjustice  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:22:35am

re: #531 razorbacker

It's like a divorce where the couple settles everything, and then fights for years over ownership of Aunt Millie's teapot.

551 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:22:46am

re: #519 Mithrax

My parents winter in florida, I dread if anything happens down there.

Isn't it just a matter of paperwork to get the bodies back? It should not affect the will at all.

552 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:22:49am

re: #517 3 Sigma E

"Fag hags" are women who like hanging out with gay guys.

ie: Liz Taylor

553 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:22:55am

re: #543 3 wood

Agreed. Any normal male with a pulse would have taken at least a glance.

Actually, I wouldn't have.

Age first, then eyes :P

554 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:22:58am

re: #548 MandyManners

Isn't the mother fighting, too?

What a cluster-fuck.

There's a lot of money there.....a lot of debts too....this will be one ugly mess.....years and years before it's settled.

555 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:23:10am

re: #534 OldLineTexan

Me, I don't see anything untoward going on.

It's fun to bust Obama's chops, though. I'll admit it.

Guys look and we women look, too.

556 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:23:17am

re: #531 razorbacker

Not the money. But a damned photo of the old homestead taken by a pilot in the late 60s. I swear that I thought there was going to be a fistfight.

When I spoke up and mentioned that I could easily scan and copy however many they wanted, everyone got quiet and said, "Oh. Yeah. We can do that."

So, that Christmas everybody got a framed print and you'd have thought that I'd given diamonds or gold.

One item in my family we "fought" over - a charcoal portrait of my mom as a baby, sleeping, drawn by her cousin. All of us want it. I don't have it yet, but will end up with it, and will do what you said - scan it and have prints made. The portrait has no value whatsoever, EXCEPT to us.

557 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:23:41am

re: #551 MandyManners

Isn't it just a matter of paperwork to get the bodies back? It should not affect the will at all.

Yes, but I have no desire for the paperwork, or the property in Florida.

I'll have a chat with my brother about it and if worse comes to worse send him down.

558 quickjustice  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:23:44am

re: #533 MandyManners

Decades ago, I tried a probate case in Shelbyville. Family feuds are the most bitter of all.

559 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:23:58am

Good Morning y'all - from a coolish (68 degrees, going up to 86 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone doing this morning?

560 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:24:04am

re: #525 OldLineTexan

A friend's 11-year-old daughter has that (she can't swallow), and she does pretty well.

Best of luck.

Mom's not had solid food for more than two weeks so her already-petite body has lost a lot of weight. And, she had lost a lot of weight over the past year.

561 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:24:51am

re: #555 redstateredneck

Guys look and we women look, too.

I tell you what, I really get tired of being oogled like a fine, marbled beefcake when I go to the grocery store!

////

562 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:25:06am

re: #535 Killgore Trout

Ugh, LGF is really slow and buggy for me again.

I concur Killgore. It has slowed down for me in the last 24 hours. Not as slow as I was experiencing last weekend (20-30 second response time) but today it is around 10-15 seconds.

I've even changed my DNS name server from my default Comcast to Sprint and it doesn't change anything.

Trace routes show bottle necks in the same places as I saw last weekend.

Since we now know that there has been up to 2 weeks of "overcrowding" of the pipes due possibly to NK hackers, I don't know if that is keeping some of the router that most of us travel through busy or not. It's certainly possible.

563 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:25:11am

re: #531 razorbacker

Not the money. But a damned photo of the old homestead taken by a pilot in the late 60s. I swear that I thought there was going to be a fistfight.

When I spoke up and mentioned that I could easily scan and copy however many they wanted, everyone got quiet and said, "Oh. Yeah. We can do that."

So, that Christmas everybody got a framed print and you'd have thought that I'd given diamonds or gold.

I can see that happening.

564 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:25:18am

re: #526 MandyManners

A written instrument will over-rule any spoken instructions.

Indeed, her verbal instructions match her written ones. She's just OCD that way some times. After all there are about three sets of family china and assorted knick knacks she's always talking about. I don't forsee any issues between me and my two brothers. Only reason I am told all this stuff constantly is because I am the eldest and closest geographically to her.

565 lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:25:44am

Morning all.
I've had company for the last few days so I granted myself a hiatus from the news for a while. Can't recommend it enough.

As for the pic on Drudge, I bet Obama would like to punish that chick with a child.

566 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:25:53am

re: #559 realwest

Good Morning y'all - from a coolish (68 degrees, going up to 86 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone doing this morning?

Hey, {real}
I'm just happy it's Friday.

567 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:26:00am

re: #559 realwest

Good Morning y'all - from a coolish (68 degrees, going up to 86 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte! How is everyone doing this morning?

Not a cloud in the sky here in PHX and 90 degrees at 624am....going up to 110-113 today....ahhhh, summer in the desert (why, oh why do I live here?)

568 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:26:03am

re: #534 OldLineTexan

Me, I don't see anything untoward going on.

It's fun to bust Obama's chops, though. I'll admit it.

Did he know she was a child?

569 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:26:12am

re: #560 MandyManners

Mom's not had solid food for more than two weeks so her already-petite body has lost a lot of weight. And, she had lost a lot of weight over the past year.

I am not looking forward to my turn with these issues. Mom and Dad are very healthy, thankfully, although Mom just had a knee replaced and Dad is pretty worn-out just with that. ;)

570 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:26:19am

re: #540 midwestgak

My oldest brother handled the sale of our parents house after my mother died. Her will stated everthing was to be divided equally among the three of us. And it was. I loved him for that.

MWGak ... what happened with me was that I was in charge of all my parents stuff ... money, property, blah blah ... mama told me to divide it equally between us in her will ... I would never not do what she wanted ever ... well I sold and liquidated everything and it was good amount ... one of my sisters died before my parents but left children ...

The only thing I asked of my other brothers and sisters was that because mama did not spell out that one share would go to my deceased sisters children I could not legally give it to them ... but expected them to take out of their share to give to them ... everyone did but one brother ... and I will never forgive him for it ... until he gives them their share ...

571 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:26:25am

re: #541 reine.de.tout

Photos can be very misleading. If you watch the video, it looks like Obama was checking his footing while turning around to offer his arm to help another woman step down. He doesn't seem to have even noticed the young woman with the now famous booty. (Apparently she's the daughter of Brazilian President Lulu).

Sarkozy however, is seen turning, leaning and leering. He's busted for sure.

572 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:26:36am

re: #561 OldLineTexan

I tell you what, I really get tired of being oogled like a fine, marbled beefcake when I go to the grocery store!

////

Oh, get over yourself!
;-)

573 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:26:47am

re: #535 Killgore Trout

Ugh, LGF is really slow and buggy for me again.

I posted the other day about whether this could be a result of the North Korean hacking.

574 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:27:10am

re: #539 Kenneth

Heck yeah! major Upding for a Jimi video to start the morning!

8-)

575 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:27:13am

re: #364 Cato the Elder

The service monkey just tears stuff up. The Service Lizard, now...fear him.

Shouldn't you have a service unicorn by now? Shouldn't we all have unicorns by now?

576 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:27:19am

re: #427 SixDegrees

If that's what you want, a family member needs to stay with the body at all times, from the moment the casket is closed to the moment it is fully buried. The funeral home will raise holy hell about this demand; face them down and demand it. If they escalate, explain your reasons, and suggest that perhaps the police should be asked to stand in for your family.

I can vouch for that.

I'm the designated one who does that in my extended family. I've found that if you talk to the funeral director right off the bat and make it clear this is what is going to happen it goes a lot easier. Plan on driving your own car to the grave yard cause you will probably have to hang around for an hour or two until they bury the deceased after the final service. They will give you this big come on to go out to the open grave and wait for them. don't do it.

I stay by the casket.

577 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:27:26am

re: #561 OldLineTexan

If I had a nickel for every time I have had to say, "My eyes are up here, lady!"...

578 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:27:44am

re: #549 redstateredneck

My brothers and I have planned to do that with all of the family pictures (and there is an album for every year from 1940 - 1990), but we haven't gotten around to it yet.

Unsolicited advise. Next family reunion, get those albums out and get the names and dates written on the backs of the photos (faintly, don't press too hard or you'll indent the other side). You think that you know, but I'll bet that you don't.

579 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:27:49am

re: #573 MandyManners

I posted the other day about whether this could be a result of the North Korean hacking.

Damn Norks! Messing with LGF!

580 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:28:01am

re: #547 3 Sigma E

I described women who gay men are attracted to ... not women who like hanging around them. Though there is a fair deal of overlap.

Ah.

581 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:28:08am

re: #566 redstateredneck
Hey {red} Great, another two handed hug! Love it!
When you're "retired" Friday is just another day, ya know?
I'm glad for you (and anyone fortunate enough to still have a job) that it's Friday though!

582 quickjustice  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:28:10am

re: #571 Kenneth

Walter's already covered this: The "booty" in question is both admirable and Brazilian, but not that of the President's daughter.

583 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:28:25am

re: #476 MandyManners

Great news Mandy! Prayers will continue.

584 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:28:31am

re: #570 JacksonTn

MWGak ... what happened with me was that I was in charge of all my parents stuff ... money, property, blah blah ... mama told me to divide it equally between us in her will ... I would never not do what she wanted ever ... well I sold and liquidated everything and it was good amount ... one of my sisters died before my parents but left children ...

The only thing I asked of my other brothers and sisters was that because mama did not spell out that one share would go to my deceased sisters children I could not legally give it to them ... but expected them to take out of their share to give to them ... everyone did but one brother ... and I will never forgive him for it ... until he gives them their share ...

My parents' wills anticipated that, and specifically stated that if one of us pre-deceased them, that person's share would go to his/her children.

585 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:28:46am

re: #550 quickjustice

It's like a divorce where the couple settles everything, and then fights for years over ownership of Aunt Millie's teapot.

Whose aunt is Tillie? Blood should triumph.

586 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:29:00am

re: #568 MandyManners

Did he know she was a child?

I am not convinced from the photo that he's staring at her butt. I tend to look where I'm going, and I also tend to look down when I'm climbing steps.

I also tend to look at WOMEN's posteriors from time to time, so I am no saint.

I just don't see more than fun in this subject.

Now, if he had a Clinton track record, I'd have had him arrested.

;)

587 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:29:01am

Have fun y'all, gotta SSS and get going to work

588 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:29:31am

re: #550 quickjustice

It's like a divorce where the couple settles everything, and then fights for years over ownership of Aunt Millie's teapot.

If I were the judge, I'd bring a hammer to the hearing and pull a Solomon on them.

589 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:29:38am

Alright, time to go teach me mom how to use Facebook.

Back tonight.

590 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:30:13am

re: #531 razorbacker

Scanning is a wonderful thing. At the funeral service for my mother a few months back, a cousin I haven't seen in decades showed up with a photo her mom took when she was a teen. The photo was of my mom & dad as teenagers on what looks like their first date having a picnic. Sweet! We scanned it & everybody got a copy.

591 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:30:23am

re: #554 Desert Dog

There's a lot of money there.....a lot of debts too....this will be one ugly mess.....years and years before it's settled.

i can't help but wonder if Joe intends on using the kids as a way to raise more money.

592 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:30:27am

re: #567 Desert Dog
Hey there Desert dog - y'all live there so you can brag to us on the East Coast during the Winter months, that's why.
Small reward for what you are and are about to receive though!
How'd figure folks ever lived out that way before the invention of air conditioning (dry heat at 110 degrees is still DAMNED HOT!)?

593 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:30:30am

I wonder how soon there will be a YouTube vid of the "Obama cover" of "Baby Got Back."

594 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:30:41am

re: #578 razorbacker

Unsolicited advise. Next family reunion, get those albums out and get the names and dates written on the backs of the photos (faintly, don't press too hard or you'll indent the other side). You think that you know, but I'll bet that you don't.

Good advice. Especially for the real old photos. Mom was the youngest of 8 children so we had a lot of cousins.

595 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:30:56am

re: #584 reine.de.tout

My parents' wills anticipated that, and specifically stated that if one of us pre-deceased them, that person's share would go to his/her children.

Reine ... good thing because it has caused many problems ... I was so disappointed in him and have not spoken to him in a long time ... and the thing has really pisses me off is that he is rich and does not even need the money ...

596 quickjustice  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:31:01am

re: #585 MandyManners

No way, Mandy! Aunt Tillie liked me a lot better than you, and besides, I was much nicer to her! She may have been your consanguineal aunt, but everyone knows she would have wanted me to have that teapot!

[Huffs off stage]

597 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:31:49am

re: #557 Mithrax

Yes, but I have no desire for the paperwork, or the property in Florida.

I'll have a chat with my brother about it and if worse comes to worse send him down.

Can't the paperwork be handled by the estate attorney?

598 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:31:52am

re: #561 OldLineTexan

I tell you what, I really get tired of being oogled like a fine, marbled beefcake when I go to the grocery store!

////

Me too, it's so demeaning when those young woman on the subway check out my package.

599 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:32:24am

re: #581 realwest

Hey {red} Great, another two handed hug! Love it!
When you're "retired" Friday is just another day, ya know?
I'm glad for you (and anyone fortunate enough to still have a job) that it's Friday though!

Retirement is a distant dream, I'm afraid. I wish I had been smarter when I was younger. I've still got a kid in college, for cryin' out loud. Guess we took our retirement on the front end!

600 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:32:26am

re: #585 MandyManners
Hey Mandy! I read your #476 and just want you to know what GREAT NEWS that is! I'm very happy for her and you and your whole family!

601 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:32:40am

re: #598 Kenneth

Me too, it's so demeaning when those young woman on the subway check out my package.

I hate when they do that, too .... They always laugh.
:>)

602 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:32:49am

re: #558 quickjustice

Decades ago, I tried a probate case in Shelbyville. Family feuds are the most bitter of all.

Shelbyville in Tennessee?

603 Broomer  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:33:02am

F*CK FoxNews! They're getting irrelevant like MSNBC.

Their reporter Reena reporting the "peace activitsts" at Bilin and getting tear gased. What about reporting from Iran and getting shot at? So now FoxNews has no problem painting Israel as evil?

I was patient enough to give FoxNews a pass (Judge Natalpino) but now I'm just fed up. Good think I'm giving up cable end of month.

There's absolutely no real TV news station anymore!

604 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:33:11am

An interesting science poll....
Scientific Achievements Less Prominent Than a Decade Ago

There are indications that the public also is somewhat less confident in America’s scientific prowess than it once was. Significantly fewer Americans volunteer scientific advances as one of the country’s most important achievements than did so a decade ago (27% today, 47% in May 1999). As an example, ten years ago, 18% cited space exploration and the moon landing as the country’s top achievement of the 20th century. Today 12% see it as the greatest achievement of the past 50 years.
....
When it comes to contemporary scientific issues, these differences are often even larger. Most notably, 87% of scientists say that humans and other living things have evolved over time and that evolution is the result of natural processes such as natural selection. Just 32% of the public accepts this as true.

And the near consensus among scientists about global warming is not mirrored in the general public. While 84% of scientists say the earth is getting warmer because of human activity such as burning fossil fuels, just 49% of the public agrees.
...

Scroll down the the graph on Partisanship. 55% of scientists are Democrats. Only 6% of scientists are Republicans! This is a very serious problem.

605 quickjustice  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:33:52am

re: #551 MandyManners

Not to get too morbid, but a funeral home can arrange shipment of the body of the deceased with a phone call. My grandmother flew once, but never when she was alive!

606 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:33:59am

re: #571 Kenneth

Photos can be very misleading. If you watch the video, it looks like Obama was checking his footing while turning around to offer his arm to help another woman step down. He doesn't seem to have even noticed the young woman with the now famous booty. (Apparently she's the daughter of Brazilian President Lulu).

Sarkozy however, is seen turning, leaning and leering. He's busted for sure.

Kenneth, from my comment above...

I'm sort of answering my own question here, but I think NJhockeyfan is wrong in claiming that Mayora Tavares is the Brizilian presidents daughter. here is a list of his children.

Lurian Cordeiro
Marcos Cláudio
Fábio Luís
Sandro Luís
Luís Cláudio

607 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:34:01am

re: #573 MandyManners

That's an interesting possibility.

608 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:34:05am

re: #564 BlueCanuck

Indeed, her verbal instructions match her written ones. She's just OCD that way some times. After all there are about three sets of family china and assorted knick knacks she's always talking about. I don't forsee any issues between me and my two brothers. Only reason I am told all this stuff constantly is because I am the eldest and closest geographically to her.

Are your brothers married?

609 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:34:10am

re: #583 VioletTiger
Good morning VioletTiger - hope you're doing well today and if not for your comment I wouldn't have known about Mandy's mom! Thank you!

610 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:34:16am

re: #558 quickjustice

Decades ago, I tried a probate case in Shelbyville. Family feuds are the most bitter of all.

Was that related to that unspoken monorail mess? /

611 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:34:19am

re: #586 OldLineTexan

Yeah. This is fun summer politics, but not important.

What is important, and frightening is Obama's push to have wealthy nations subsidize poorer nations as they try to fight global warming. That's stupid science and even stupider economics.

612 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:34:31am
There are indications that the public also is somewhat less confident in America’s scientific prowess than it once was. Significantly fewer Americans volunteer scientific advances as one of the country’s most important achievements than did so a decade ago (27% today, 47% in May 1999). As an example, ten years ago, 18% cited space exploration and the moon landing as the country’s top achievement of the 20th century. Today 12% see it as the greatest achievement of the past 50 years.

Strictly speaking those polls can't really be compared since they use different time frames.

613 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:34:59am

re: #426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

One kind favor I ask of you,
Please see that mu grave is kept clean

-Blind Lemmon Jefferson

614 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:35:28am

Good morning everyone. I have a question. My boss just told me that a guy in his neighborhood has a large American flag in his yard. It's hung upside down. He is obviously anti-American and just recently took down a giant 9-11 troofer sign. What does an upside down American flag mean?

615 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:35:29am

When the time had finally come, and the MIL decided to just go ahead and die, she asked me if I wanted anything 'before the fights start'.

I said yeah, I want your grandpa's old anvil and E's daddy's Green River knife. She laughed and said, 'Take the knife, and if you can lift that anvil, it's yours. But why?'

'They don't make anvils out of that kind of stuff anymore. It has been here, taking hammer blows, for well over a century and looks fine.'

So I went out and put them in the back of the Jeep. Like to have busted a gut, but I put them there.

616 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:35:40am

re: #569 OldLineTexan

I am not looking forward to my turn with these issues. Mom and Dad are very healthy, thankfully, although Mom just had a knee replaced and Dad is pretty worn-out just with that. ;)

It broke my heart last week when my dad said that his dad went the right way: dead of a massive MI before he hit the ground. He NEVER speaks of his dad's death. He NEVER gets sentimental or emotional. Poor guy is worn out.

617 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:35:50am

re: #595 JacksonTn

Reine ... good thing because it has caused many problems ... I was so disappointed in him and have not spoken to him in a long time ... and the thing has really pisses me off is that he is rich and does not even need the money ...

And it would be the right thing to do, to give those kids their parent's "share". I don't blame you for being pissed of.

My mom did make one mistake; thankfully, it did not backfire on us. My youngest brother's partner kicked him out and he came home, at age 40, completely broke, no job skills, had not held a job in years. My parents took him in and my mom gave him a portion of his "share" up front. She talked to all of us about it before hand. She kept a written record of the amounts she gave him over the course of 2 years, and she and he signed an agreement that the amounts she gave him would be deducted from his "share" upon her death.

Well - because she had a will that stated something else, it was not a completely legal agreement. If he had contested the final settlement, we would have had to have divvied up equally what was left after her death, no consideration for what he received before. Luckily for us, that did not happen - but we were prepared just in case it did. Could have been a mess.

LESSON - If conditions change, people need to update their wills.

618 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:35:50am

re: #606 Walter L. Newton

Good research. Perhaps we should turn this over to Occasional Reader. He seems to be an expert on hot Brazilian women. If anybody can track down her booty, it's OR.

619 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:36:19am

re: #614 KenJen

It means he's an asshole.

620 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:36:45am

re: #604 Killgore Trout

Scroll down the the graph on Partisanship. 55% of scientists are Democrats. Only 6% of scientists are Republicans! This is a very serious problem.


And their bread & butter is grant money. Conflict of interest? Naw.....

621 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:36:56am

re: #614 KenJen

Good morning everyone. I have a question. My boss just told me that a guy in his neighborhood has a large American flag in his yard. It's hung upside down. He is obviously anti-American and just recently took down a giant 9-11 troofer sign. What does an upside down American flag mean?

Anything the person flying it wants it to signify. It has no one meaning I know of.

622 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:37:05am

UNCLE!

623 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:37:12am

re: #594 redstateredneck

Good advice. Especially for the real old photos. Mom was the youngest of 8 children so we had a lot of cousins.

After my Mom passed (3 years tomorrow!) we had to clean out her house. We found boxes and boxes of old family photos. There are so many people we cannot identify. Some of the older photos were from the dawn of photography--people who came over on the boat if you will. I scanned them all and they are part of a video I made of our family history. We still don't know who some of the people are.

624 lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:37:24am

re: #614 KenJen

Distress or surrender, I think.

625 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:37:41am

re: #621 Walter L. Newton

Anything the person flying it wants it to signify. It has no one meaning I know of.

Someone said it was a sign of distress.

626 lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:38:59am

re: #624 lincolntf

Flying the American flag upside down is indeed a type of SOS signal. Section 8a of the United States Flag Code states, "The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property."

627 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:39:03am

re: #609 realwest

Good morning VioletTiger - hope you're doing well today and if not for your comment I wouldn't have known about Mandy's mom! Thank you!

Morning real. I'm always a step behind in the morning....multitasking.

628 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:39:12am

re: #617 reine.de.tout

And it would be the right thing to do, to give those kids their parent's "share". I don't blame you for being pissed of.

My mom did make one mistake; thankfully, it did not backfire on us. My youngest brother's partner kicked him out and he came home, at age 40, completely broke, no job skills, had not held a job in years. My parents took him in and my mom gave him a portion of his "share" up front. She talked to all of us about it before hand. She kept a written record of the amounts she gave him over the course of 2 years, and she and he signed an agreement that the amounts she gave him would be deducted from his "share" upon her death.

Well - because she had a will that stated something else, it was not a completely legal agreement. If he had contested the final settlement, we would have had to have divvied up equally what was left after her death, no consideration for what he received before. Luckily for us, that did not happen - but we were prepared just in case it did. Could have been a mess.

LESSON - If conditions change, people need to update their wills.

A codicil is a simple thing to draft and incorporate into the will by an attorney.

629 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:39:29am

re: #599 redstateredneck
Well it may be a distant dream for ya, but you surely don't want to "retire" the way I did! Hang in there - the kid'll graduate sooner or later and then you can save some dough and retire!
Do not, I repeat DO NOT plan on retiring just on Social Security alone - cause you really can't make it on just social security and medicare!

630 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:39:42am

Sometimes I feel like I missed out being an only child. Then I read stories like I've been reading here and, well, there's one reason to be grateful. Especially now that my parents retired and now live about 15 minutes from me.

631 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:40:28am

re: #594 redstateredneck

Good advice. Especially for the real old photos. Mom was the youngest of 8 children so we had a lot of cousins.

I know what you mean. Looking at undated photos you wonder, "Mom as a child? Her cousins? A sibling? Who is that?"

The great thing about this is, at the reunion, you'll hear stories and arguments about the people they think are pictured. And there will be disagreement.

632 johnnyreb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:40:31am

re: #604 Killgore Trout

An interesting science poll....
Scientific Achievements Less Prominent Than a Decade Ago


Scroll down the the graph on Partisanship. 55% of scientists are Democrats. Only 6% of scientists are Republicans! This is a very serious problem.


One has to wonder if that "survey" oversampled a certain political party?

"The state of science has vastly improved since President Obama's election. He understands the importance of science and speaks forcefully for it. The stimulus money should help us climb out of this recession as well as improve the state of funding for scientific research. Mathematician, 64"

633 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:40:53am

re: #614 KenJen

Good morning everyone. I have a question. My boss just told me that a guy in his neighborhood has a large American flag in his yard. It's hung upside down. He is obviously anti-American and just recently took down a giant 9-11 troofer sign. What does an upside down American flag mean?

Technically, an upside down flag is a distress signal, indicating that people's lives or property are in danger. A lot of people are flying it upside down as a form of protest, though. Whatever, it's not illegal.

634 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:40:55am

re: #621 Walter L. Newton

Anything the person flying it wants it to signify. It has no one meaning I know of.

A flag flying upside down is a sign that the person is in distress. The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property. 4 USC 8(a)

635 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:40:59am

re: #630 3 Sigma E

Sometimes I feel like I missed out being an only child. Then I read stories like I've been reading here and, well, there's one reason to be grateful. Especially now that my parents retired and now live about 15 minutes from me.

3SE ... do you and itellyou3times have the same avatar? ...

well, you get all the hugs and kisses being an only child ... that's something ...

636 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:41:11am

re: #619 Kenneth

It means he's an asshole.

Total asshole. We have decided to buy a super-soaked water gun and fill it with round-up and spray it all over his yard one night very soon. Boss said his yard is immaculately landscaped.

637 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:41:53am

re: #626 lincolntf

Flying the American flag upside down is indeed a type of SOS signal. Section 8a of the United States Flag Code states, "The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property."

So he's an asshole and a dumbass.

638 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:41:57am

re: #625 KenJen

Someone said it was a sign of distress.

According to this, yes, but on a boat, not on land...

"The US Flag Code says the flag should never be flown upside down except as a signal of distress, and if a vessel is in dire distress there's nothing wrong with using this as a signal, but it may not be understood and any vessel should be equipped with--and use--the signals provided in COLREGS and the Inland Navigation Rules.
Joe McMillan, 20 August 2006"

And generally, that is an outdated practice...

[Link: flagspot.net...]

639 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:42:06am

re: #634 lawhawk

Flying the flag like that is not illegal, as it is usually done so as a protest to actions by the government, but it is most appropriately flown in such a manner when faced with the situation described above (see my #634)

640 quickjustice  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:42:40am

re: #610 lawhawk

I won based on the Rule in Shelley's case. The original testator's only child (a son) had suppressed the will. His daughter found it at the time of the son's death, and probated it. The will had given the original testator's son a life estate in millions of dollars of real estate, remainder to the grandchildren. The son had sold off the real estate, claiming ownership fee simple absolute under intestacy rules.

I represented the new owners of the real estate, who were out millions if the title to the real estate was defective.

641 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:42:42am

re: #596 quickjustice

No way, Mandy! Aunt Tillie liked me a lot better than you, and besides, I was much nicer to her! She may have been your consanguineal aunt, but everyone knows she would have wanted me to have that teapot!

[Huffs Flounces off stage]

This is teh LFG. We don't H&ff!

/

642 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:43:01am

re: #636 KenJen

Total asshole. We have decided to buy a super-soaked water gun and fill it with round-up and spray it all over his yard one night very soon. Boss said his yard is immaculately landscaped.

Spell 'God Bless America' on his lawn with the round up.

643 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:43:13am

re: #633 redstateredneck

Technically, an upside down flag is a distress signal, indicating that people's lives or property are in danger. A lot of people are flying it upside down as a form of protest, though. Whatever, it's not illegal.

His property is in danger alright. Apparently a lot of neighbors are pissed.

644 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:43:19am

re: #629 realwest

Well it may be a distant dream for ya, but you surely don't want to "retire" the way I did! Hang in there - the kid'll graduate sooner or later and then you can save some dough and retire!
Do not, I repeat DO NOT plan on retiring just on Social Security alone - cause you really can't make it on just social security and medicare!

My retirement money is mostly in real estate assets and our business. Hopefully, when we're ready to sell out and head for the hills we'll get a good return on them.

645 quickjustice  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:43:25am

re: #621 Walter L. Newton

Flying the American flag upside down is a distress signal.

646 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:43:26am

re: #599 redstateredneck

Retirement is a distant dream, I'm afraid. I wish I had been smarter when I was younger. I've still got a kid in college, for cryin' out loud. Guess we took our retirement on the front end!

Hey {red}. Back in the day, public schooling did not provide a personal finance class. I got my first credit cards in the early 80's. Had no clue they were basically loans with high interest. Also didn't realize that paying the minimum was the way banks made thier money.

I'm ashamed to admit that I learned how to get out of credit card debt by watching one of Oprah's shows in the early 90's. Double or triple the minimum payment.

Today, I am credit card debt free.

647 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:43:38am

re: #476 MandyManners

But, it looks like this plan won't be implemented soon because--after more than two weeks on the ventilator--Mom's back on the cannula and is awake and grumpy. (The television in her room was on CNN until my mom ptiched a hissy fit to get it changed to Fox yesterday.)

That's a great sign. Wonderful news.

648 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:43:48am

re: #640 quickjustice

And there are generations of lawyers who thought that Rule of Shelly's case was just something law profs run through in property class as a way to put them to sleep...

649 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:44:10am

re: #636 KenJen

Total asshole. We have decided to buy a super-soaked water gun and fill it with round-up and spray it all over his yard one night very soon. Boss said his yard is immaculately landscaped.

Don't do that. Give opium to some wallabies!

/

650 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:44:14am

re: #635 JacksonTn

3SE ... do you and itellyou3times have the same avatar? ...

I'd have to see it ... I'm rather knew and still feeling my way around here. (I saw another Groucho avatar at one point, but it was, I think, a different picture.)

651 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:44:30am

re: #641 OldLineTexan

This is teh LFG. We don't H&ff!

/

But some do Huff and Fluff, which is sort of a stomping flounce, akin to the swishing flounce, which is normally only done by large lesbians in Mau-Mau's.

652 lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:44:35am

re: #643 KenJen

Why is he flying it upside down now?
Rhetorical question, I guess, because you don't seem to really know the clown, but I wonder what his specific beef is?

653 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:44:46am

Morning all, hey anybody know where I can get a weather report for Charlotte NC? Oh, and I figured out this morning that each and every person in the US is spending $20 to save a mouse in the SF bay area. That's just great, and it's going to create so many new jobs. Too bad I 'm not qualified though, I didn't graduate from college with the required mouse saving degree. sheesh

654 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:44:57am

re: #614 KenJen
An upsided down American Flag is a sign of distress - on the high seas, an upside down American Flag is a sign of distress and a call for help - sorta like a visual s.o.s.
Don't know why he was flying it upside down though - probably someone who just discovered that Bush is no longer President.

655 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:45:06am

re: #483 MandyManners

Joe's just an attention whore who would milk anything to make a buck.

He's looking for some one he can sue.

He got cut out of the estate.

656 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:45:07am

re: #639 lawhawk

Flying the flag like that is not illegal, as it is usually done so as a protest to actions by the government, but it is most appropriately flown in such a manner when faced with the situation described above (see my #634)

Maybe the guy's house is sinking.

657 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:45:29am

re: #620 redstateredneck

And their bread & butter is grant money. Conflict of interest? Naw.....

Nope. Read the article, it's not just about public funding for science that's the issue. It's much more about the anti-science agenda of the Republican party.

658 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:46:15am

Any lizards in Detroit?

Look who is helping the police...

The antiviolence Cease Fire Initiative group on Monday announced a new hotline for students to call to report violence or other problems.

The announcement was made near the bus stop where seven teens were shot last week. Five of the seven were attending summer school classes at the Cody 9th Grade Academy on Detroit's west side. Two teens remained at Sinai-Grace Hospital on Monday, Detroit Police said.

The hotline number,[no phone numbers allowed], will be available starting this morning and will be answered 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Representatives of the initiative monitoring the line will call police and dispatch members of the Fruits of Islam, a group of young men affiliated with the Nation of Islam who are trained to intervene without guns, backers said.

"You can call without feeling the pressure of being called a snitch. You can call anonymously," said Mouchettee Muhammad, vice president of the Cease Fire Initiative.

659 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:46:21am

re: #614 KenJen

Morning jen, I think it means trouble or distress.

660 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:46:42am

re: #558 quickjustice

Decades ago, I tried a probate case in Shelbyville. Family feuds are the most bitter of all.

"Yeah. Check the probate. Why, my Uncle Thumper had a problem with HIS probate, and he had to take these big pills, and drink lots of water. "

-Roger Rabbit

661 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:46:50am

re: #636 KenJen

Total asshole. We have decided to buy a super-soaked water gun and fill it with round-up and spray it all over his yard one night very soon. Boss said his yard is immaculately landscaped.

ooh.
Me likee the idea of that.

But I'm sure I don't have to tell you that really, you shouldn't actually DO it.

I have an asshole neighbor. When I go walk the dog, I make sure I have a coke or something with me, almost finished, and of course, it ends up somewhere in his yard.

I am normally very much against littering - but this guy is just too big of an asshole.

662 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:46:55am

re: #653 turn

Morning all, hey anybody know where I can get a weather report for Charlotte NC?


ask realwest

663 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:47:19am

re: #636 KenJen

Total asshole. We have decided to buy a super-soaked water gun and fill it with round-up and spray it all over his yard one night very soon. Boss said his yard is immaculately landscaped.

NO! That is a crime and can land you in jail. He has the absolute right to be a hateful asshole. While his use of the flag is wrong, it is HIS flag on HIS property.

664 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:47:31am

re: #619 Kenneth

It means he's an asshole.

ha, that got my first ding today.

665 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:47:41am

re: #653 turn

Morning all, hey anybody know where I can get a weather report for Charlotte NC? Oh, and I figured out this morning that each and every person in the US is spending $20 to save a mouse in the SF bay area. That's just great, and it's going to create so many new jobs. Too bad I 'm not qualified though, I didn't graduate from college with the required mouse saving degree. sheesh

weather.com, type in town name and state.

666 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:47:52am

re: #662 redstateredneck

ask realwest

who's that?
/

667 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:48:20am

re: #653 turn

Morning all, hey anybody know where I can get a weather report for Charlotte NC? Oh, and I figured out this morning that each and every person in the US is spending $20 to save a mouse in the SF bay area. That's just great, and it's going to create so many new jobs. Too bad I 'm not qualified though, I didn't graduate from college with the required mouse saving degree. sheesh

[Link: www.wunderground.com...]

668 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:48:20am
669 quickjustice  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:48:21am

re: #648 lawhawk

The rule has been repealed in all but ten states (it may be more by now), Tennessee being one of them.

670 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:48:22am

........"Candy gram for Mr. Mongo"...........
What the hell am I doin here on my day off?

671 johnnyreb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:48:23am

re: #657 Killgore Trout

Nope. Read the article, it's not just about public funding for science that's the issue. It's much more about the anti-science agenda of the Republican party.

Yes please read the entire article and my #632. That article is a partisan hack job.

672 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:48:24am

re: #665 reine.de.tout

weather.com, type in town name and state.

Morning reine (it was a stupid joke for real)

673 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:48:29am

re: #658 NJDhockeyfan

Any lizards in Detroit?

Look who is helping the police...

The antiviolence Cease Fire Initiative group on Monday announced a new hotline for students to call to report violence or other problems.

The announcement was made near the bus stop where seven teens were shot last week. Five of the seven were attending summer school classes at the Cody 9th Grade Academy on Detroit's west side. Two teens remained at Sinai-Grace Hospital on Monday, Detroit Police said.

The hotline number,[no phone numbers allowed], will be available starting this morning and will be answered 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Representatives of the initiative monitoring the line will call police and dispatch members of the Fruits of Islam, a group of young men affiliated with the Nation of Islam who are trained to intervene without guns, backers said.

"You can call without feeling the pressure of being called a snitch. You can call anonymously," said Mouchettee Muhammad, vice president of the Cease Fire Initiative.

They use swords instead...
/

674 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:48:35am

re: #647 3 wood

That's a great sign. Wonderful news.

Thank you!

675 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:48:47am

re: #653 turn

Morning all, hey anybody know where I can get a weather report for Charlotte NC? Oh, and I figured out this morning that each and every person in the US is spending $20 to save a mouse in the SF bay area. That's just great, and it's going to create so many new jobs. Too bad I 'm not qualified though, I didn't graduate from college with the required mouse saving degree. sheesh

Charlotte NC

If you had an iPhone, you could get it even easier.

676 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:48:51am

re: #613 Mad Al-Jaffee
Good Morning to you - did you all see the story on Fox News (sorry no link) about a graveyard in Chicago where the owner hired 3 other guys and they all dug up corpses (mostly decomposing skeletons) from the "black part" of a cemetary and just dumped them for the most part in a common hole in the ground so they could "re-sell" the plots of land? Dina Washington and,iirc, Willie Dixon (old time real time blues singer) were among the HUNDREDS of bodies so desecrated? Oh and fwliw, the boss and the 3 helpers were all Black folks themselves.

677 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:49:01am

re: #653 turn

Morning all, hey anybody know where I can get a weather report for Charlotte NC? Oh, and I figured out this morning that each and every person in the US is spending $20 to save a mouse in the SF bay area. That's just great, and it's going to create so many new jobs. Too bad I 'm not qualified though, I didn't graduate from college with the required mouse saving degree. sheesh

Go to weatherunderground.com and type in a Charlotte zip code.

678 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:49:03am

US releases Iranian Qods Force agents
By Bill RoggioJuly 9, 2009 2:50 PM

The US military recently released five Iranian Qods Force agents who had posed as diplomats and were detained in northern Iraq in late 2006. The Iranian agents were released to the Iraqi government, which is expected to promptly turn them back over to Iran.

In January 2007, the five Iranian agents were detained by US forces in the Kurdish city of Irbil. Iran claimed the men were part of a diplomatic mission in Irbil, and protested the arrest. The men were operating from a liaison office that did not enjoy diplomatic privileges, however.

The US military accused the five Iranians of being Qods Force agents assigned to help support Shia terror groups inside Iraq.

As power is transferred back to the Iraqi government, the US will continue to release the Iranian and Hezbollah agents captured in Iraq.

US intelligence officials who directly deal with the Iranian threat in Iraq are dismayed by the release of the Qods Force agents, and say the release of more is in the pipeline.

"If you didn't like the release of Laith and the Irbil Five, you'd better get used to it," one official told The Long War Journal in disgust.

"We worked hard to catch these bastards, now we're cutting them loose with little thought to the consequences of doing this.”

WTF!

679 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:49:15am

BBIAM!

680 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:49:23am

re: #672 turn

Morning reine (it was a stupid joke for real)

well, duh, I'm just completely dense this morning.
LOL at myself.

681 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:49:26am

re: #670 reloadingisnotahobby

........"Candy gram for Mr. Mongo"...........
What the hell am I doin here on my day off?

Mmmmm...you don't have a life?
/jk!

682 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:49:58am
683 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:50:01am

re: #655 3 wood

He's looking for some one he can sue.

He got cut out of the estate.

Wouldn't the kids be the ones with legal standing to sue?

684 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:50:09am

re: #634 lawhawk

A flag flying upside down is a sign that the person is in distress. The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property. 4 USC 8(a)

Thanks. I printed it off. Will highlight that section and mail to the turd.

685 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:50:42am

re: #667 3 Sigma E

That's actually a pretty good site, I use it on occasion to look back and find out what the temp here in Sac was on a particular date. Anyway, that request was a stupid joke for real.

686 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:50:51am

re: #653 turn

Morning all, hey anybody know where I can get a weather report for Charlotte NC? Oh, and I figured out this morning that each and every person in the US is spending $20 to save a mouse in the SF bay area. That's just great, and it's going to create so many new jobs. Too bad I 'm not qualified though, I didn't graduate from college with the required mouse saving degree. sheesh

A mouse? It had better be a cute mouse!
Seriously....how much money are we talking here? 60 million?

687 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:51:11am

re: #676 realwest

Good Morning to you - did you all see the story on Fox News (sorry no link) about a graveyard in Chicago where the owner hired 3 other guys and they all dug up corpses (mostly decomposing skeletons) from the "black part" of a cemetary and just dumped them for the most part in a common hole in the ground so they could "re-sell" the plots of land? Dina Washington and,iirc, Willie Dixon (old time real time blues singer) were among the HUNDREDS of bodies so desecrated? Oh and fwliw, the boss and the 3 helpers were all Black folks themselves.

I don't get how that worked. Didn't the families ever visit the cemetery after their loved ones were interred?

688 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:51:26am

re: #676 realwest

Good Morning to you - did you all see the story on Fox News (sorry no link) about a graveyard in Chicago where the owner hired 3 other guys and they all dug up corpses (mostly decomposing skeletons) from the "black part" of a cemetary and just dumped them for the most part in a common hole in the ground so they could "re-sell" the plots of land? Dina Washington and,iirc, Willie Dixon (old time real time blues singer) were among the HUNDREDS of bodies so desecrated? Oh and fwliw, the boss and the 3 helpers were all Black folks themselves.


I had heard that, but only because I listen to WLAS online for Rush each day. But the "racist" swim club outside of Philly is of course making national headlines.

689 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:51:37am

re: #661 reine.de.tout

I bet you never had a neighbour like this...

'Neighbour from hell' convicted

690 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:51:40am

re: #670 reloadingisnotahobby

........"Candy gram for Mr. Mongo"...........
What the hell am I doin here on my day off?

Cool, you got a day off. Ha, and you spend it here!

691 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:52:08am

re: #680 reine.de.tout

well, duh, I'm just completely dense this morning.
LOL at myself.

I fell for it, too. Realwest's first post of the day is always about Charlotte's weather.

692 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:53:13am

re: #689 Kenneth

I bet you never had a neighbour like this...

'Neighbour from hell' convicted

Here is his picture...

Image: satan.jpg

693 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:53:27am
694 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:53:33am

re: #678 Kenneth

US releases Iranian Qods Force agents
By Bill RoggioJuly 9, 2009 2:50 PM


WTF!


Seriously, that's a real bright idea there.

695 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:53:36am

re: #678 Kenneth

US releases Iranian Qods Force agents
By Bill RoggioJuly 9, 2009 2:50 PM


WTF!

Oh, good gravy. I'm beginning to think that FCBBHO *wants* to strengthen Iran's influence inside Iraq.

696 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:53:39am

re: #678 Kenneth

US releases Iranian Qods Force agents
By Bill RoggioJuly 9, 2009 2:50 PM

As power is transferred back to the Iraqi government, the US will continue to release the Iranian and Hezbollah agents captured in Iraq.

That makes no sense. Is the Iraqi government demanding they be released to Iran? There's no love lost between Iran & Iraq, why would Iraq want to free Iranian agents?

697 justabill  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:53:39am

re: #653 turn

Morning all, hey anybody know where I can get a weather report for Charlotte NC? Oh, and I figured out this morning that each and every person in the US is spending $20 to save a mouse in the SF bay area. That's just great, and it's going to create so many new jobs. Too bad I 'm not qualified though, I didn't graduate from college with the required mouse saving degree. sheesh

From Yahoo, on the left hit Weather or if its not there "More Yahoo Services" then weather. Enter the city and state. Weather.com also does somethign similar

698 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:53:49am

re: #678 Kenneth

It's Obama's ongoing foreign policy initiative. It's called revolving door terrorism.

699 lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:54:07am

re: #682 Walter L. Newton

When you consider that scientists pretty much by defintion have been taught at Universities where their professors are about 80% Lefty, I take heart that only 55% of the respondents were Dems.
Some of them survived the indoctrination attempts.

700 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:54:11am

re: #691 redstateredneck

I fell for it, too. Realwest's first post of the day is always about Charlotte's weather.

I'm new. I'm learning. And I still may post a link in response, just for the heck of it.

701 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:54:42am

re: #689 Kenneth

I bet you never had a neighbour like this...

'Neighbour from hell' convicted


Yesterday, the former food delivery man pleaded guilty to 49 charges, including mischief, criminal harassment and threatening


I don't even wanna think about what he did to the food.
EEEWWW! ! !

702 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:54:56am

re: #676 realwest

Yeah, we've been discussing it this morning.

703 quickjustice  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:54:58am

re: #678 Kenneth

Ahmadinejad desperately needs them back in Teheran to help him murder more protesters. Anything to persuade Ahmadinejad to "engage" us, right?

704 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:55:07am

re: #693 NJDhockeyfan

Today's Presidential Approval Index : -7

Thank goodness it's tracking up, it was at -8 yesterday. By the end of the weekend, he should be at a stasis level and blend into the background.
/

705 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:55:15am

re: #681 redstateredneck
I had to come in and reset the Chiller so the court house is
NICE and COOL for the Judges!
Everyone treats me great cause I can really mess with them if the don't!
Damn! New Trane chiller and boiler and it went out of warranty
in may! only cost us 230 thousand !

706 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:55:30am

Rasmussen report gives a rounding error change in Obama's rating today. -7 from -8. Strong disapproves round to 37% today from 38% yesterday. Strong approves still at 30%. Total approve/disapprove at the same integers.

707 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:55:58am

re: #690 turn

I'm not sure if that's funny ...But ya made me laugh!
Thanks Turn!

708 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:56:12am

re: #614 KenJen

Good morning everyone. I have a question. My boss just told me that a guy in his neighborhood has a large American flag in his yard. It's hung upside down. He is obviously anti-American and just recently took down a giant 9-11 troofer sign. What does an upside down American flag mean?

I agree with others - it means he's an asshole.

For what it's worth, lots of municipalities have ordinances that limit the number and size of signage that can be placed on property, including residential property. At some point, it becomes an eyesore. Typically, no one from the city drives around looking for violation; they wait until a complaint is filed, then take action.

Consider calling your city or township office - or the police - and ask if anything can be done about such displays. Then file a complaint if that avenue is available.

Note, too, that the police - who wind up enforcing such things - will never reveal who lodged the complaint. It is a completely anonymous process, although the police themselves keep a record to head off any reciprocal problems.

709 3 Sigma E  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:56:41am

Time to go to work ... later, folks.

710 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:56:49am

re: #672 turn

Morning reine (it was a stupid joke for real)

Phbbbtttt!

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your long underwear.

I need to go for a whle. The Big Boy is hunting the pond levee again, and if he drags up another dead snake onto the porch I'm going to...well...I'm not going to do anything. He's a good cat.

But I'll scratch his ears in a distinctly cool and aloof manner. That'll show 'im.

711 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:56:51am

Stupidity is contagious...

Having unsuccessfully used sanctions, diplomacy and multiparty talks to get Iran and North Korea to give up their nuclear ambitions, a new tack is being suggested. Showing a good example. UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown offered to cut Britain’s nuclear deterrent in order to persuade rogue states to do the same. The Daily Mail reports:

Britain is ready to cut its nuclear capability if rogue states are prepared to cooperate, Gordon Brown signalled last night. The Prime Minister and other G8 leaders agreed to U.S. President Barack Obama’s proposal for a major summit next spring designed to pave the way to a revised global nuclear treaty. …

The U.S., France and Russia have also made some significant-reductions. This week President-Obama and Russian president-Dmitry Medvedev signed a preliminary agreement to reduce the world’s two biggest nuclear stockpiles by as much as a third. Mr Obama’s proposal brings to an end eight years of U.S. resistance to new arms treaties. …

‘North Korea is attempting to build a nuclear weapon. We have got to show we can deal with this by collective action. What we need is collective action by the nuclear weapons powers to say that we are prepared to reduce our nuclear weapons, but we need assurances also that other countries will not proliferate them.’

What sort of assurances might be sufficient? The problem is that if the West promises to reduce their nuclear arsenals they are actually going to do it. But if Kim Jong Il promises not to sell nuclear technology to certain unsavory persons, what do we have? His word as a North Korean gentleman?

Will somebody please smack these idiots with a clue-by-four?

712 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:56:57am

re: #689 Kenneth

I bet you never had a neighbour like this...

'Neighbour from hell' convicted

oh, no!
How awful!
No, this guy's not that bad.
He owns 4 of the 6 properties that begin with my house at a corner.
And he ILLEGALLY rents rooms in these houses, to what looks to be halfway house graduates. I know for a fact that at least one of his tenants had a record, theft, burglary, etc.

And he dismisses the concerns of all the rest of us. Just walks away, refuses to address our concerns. He also has 2 dogs that regularly get out of the house he lives in, and kill other people's pets and I saw the dogs menacing another neighbor out walking her baby in a stroller. And he acts as if we are overreacting.

Just an asshole.

713 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:57:01am

re: #700 3 Sigma E

I'm new. I'm learning. And I still may post a link in response, just for the heck of it.

It takes a little while to get to know all the posters. Welcome to LGF, by the way.

714 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:57:14am

re: #689 Kenneth

I bet you never had a neighbour like this...

'Neighbour from hell' convicted

Pure psychopath. Evil.

715 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:57:37am

re: #690 turn

re: #681 redstateredneck
If I had a phone signal at the lake I would be there!
Believe Dat!

716 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:57:42am

re: #653 turn Yeah hey turn, try my #559!

717 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:57:46am

re: #633 redstateredneck

Technically, an upside down flag is a distress signal, indicating that people's lives or property are in danger. A lot of people are flying it upside down as a form of protest, though. Whatever, it's not illegal.

It might violate local ordinances, depending on the size and the manner in which it's mounted. It's surprising how much you can get done by calling the local municipality and demanding enforcement.

718 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:58:17am

re: #564 BlueCanuck

Indeed, her verbal instructions match her written ones. She's just OCD that way some times. After all there are about three sets of family china and assorted knick knacks she's always talking about. I don't forsee any issues between me and my two brothers. Only reason I am told all this stuff constantly is because I am the eldest and closest geographically to her.

You never know who will crawl out of the wood work when the estate is getting settled.

When my father died, the adult offspring of his late 2nd wife, who were not mentioned at all in his will, tried to get involved. You would not believe the nasty emails we got, demanding money and threatening us.

We had an attorney of course, plus realwest was a great help to me privately with some additional advice (thanks real).

If there is a buck involved, some people can get real strange.

719 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:58:40am

re: #686 VioletTiger

A mouse? It had better be a cute mouse!
Seriously....how much money are we talking here? 60 million?

Morning violet. The article said 16.1 mil and the US population is like 305 mil so it really "only" amounts to 5 cents but I felt like exaggerating today. It just sort of pissed me off, the way this economy is going they'll be catching them mouses to cook them up and serve them in the SF soup kitchens. I hope Pelosi serves.

720 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:58:46am

re: #695 MandyManners

During the election campaign, Obama promised to invite Iran's help in stabilizing Iraq. Yes, he's that dangerously naive.

721 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:58:53am

re: #619 Kenneth

It means he's an asshole.

exactly,
he sounds like a bill ayers type asshole. stomp on the american flag, burn it and fly it up side down. what crass melodramatic losers.

722 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:58:55am

re: #655 3 wood
Good morning 3 wood! How are you doing today? Didja get my e-mail from last night?

723 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 6:59:53am

re: #712 reine.de.tout

Just an asshole.


As Bush said to Cheney, "Bigtime".

724 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:00:51am

re: #711 Kenneth

UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown offered to cut Britain’s nuclear deterrent in order to persuade rogue states to do the same.

Simply incomprehensible. That's like taking a knife to a gunfight after announcing that you're doing so.

725 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:01:00am

re: #715 reloadingisnotahobby

re: #681 redstateredneck
If I had a phone signal at the lake I would be there!
Believe Dat!

We've got a lakehouse. But I've got DSL so I can still check LGF and play my online scrabble ga,e!

726 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:01:04am

re: #696 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That makes no sense. Is the Iraqi government demanding they be released to Iran? There's no love lost between Iran & Iraq, why would Iraq want to free Iranian agents?

There are some people in the Iraqi gov't with strong ties to the Iranians. IT's a very murky situation to say the least.

727 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:01:12am

Israel may allow PA counter-terror force

The IDF is considering allowing the Palestinians to establish a specially trained counterterror squad qualified to carry out pinpoint operations against Hamas terrorist cells in the West Bank, The Jerusalem Post has learned.

Such a force would be able to carry out special operations against Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorist infrastructure in the West Bank more effectively than could existing Palestinian security forces. The French have already offered to train such a team.

728 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:01:17am

re: #719 turn

Morning violet. The article said 16.1 mil and the US population is like 305 mil so it really "only" amounts to 5 cents but I felt like exaggerating today. It just sort of pissed me off, the way this economy is going they'll be catching them mouses to cook them up and serve them in the SF soup kitchens. I hope Pelosi serves.

I know what you mean. Every way you look, they are wasting our money. And our kids money, and their kids money.

729 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:01:24am

re: #699 lincolntf

When you consider that scientists pretty much by defintion have been taught at Universities where their professors are about 80% Lefty, I take heart that only 55% of the respondents were Dems.
Some of them survived the indoctrination attempts.

And you have to look at the history and the demographics and the university system and so on. Conservatives tend to go into different careers than liberals, it's not a lack of "belief" in science. That would be like saying most of the woman who go into the convent are Catholics.

Killgore is using a partisan article to make a partisan point and it's not an honest review of the facts. Hell, I can make any set of figures represent any idea or policy if I am one sided in my intent.

730 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:01:27am

re: #697 justabill

Thanks bill. What's up?

731 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:01:42am

re: #725 redstateredneck

ga,e!


TRanslation: game

732 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:02:04am

re: #712 reine.de.tout

He also has 2 dogs that regularly get out of the house he lives in, and kill other people's pets and I saw the dogs menacing another neighbor out walking her baby in a stroller.

Shoot. Shovel. Shut up.

733 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:02:25am

Good Morning Lizards! How is everyone on this fine Friday?

734 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:03:00am

Now I'm not saying you should do this......But buy
Cheap Bleach........Sneek over in the middle of the night......
write ASSHOLE in BIG letters on his lawn.................
Then wait a week and have a good laugh!

I know...I'm a STINKER!

735 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:03:16am

re: #720 Kenneth

During the election campaign, Obama promised to invite Iran's help in stabilizing Iraq. Yes, he's that dangerously naive.

I can't help but think that he KNOWS what he is doing.

736 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:03:38am

re: #687 redstateredneck
That's how they were caught! Some relatives showed up to lay some flowers,pay their respects and - nothing but grass, no headstones or anything like that!

737 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:03:50am

re: #719 turn

I hope Pelosi serves.

Me too. 25 to life.

738 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:04:24am

re: #725 redstateredneck

Cool!
I would need a satellite dish phone for the places I'd rather be right now!

739 johnnyreb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:04:37am

re: #712 reine.de.tout

oh, no!
How awful!
No, this guy's not that bad.
He owns 4 of the 6 properties that begin with my house at a corner.
And he ILLEGALLY rents rooms in these houses, to what looks to be halfway house graduates. I know for a fact that at least one of his tenants had a record, theft, burglary, etc.

And he dismisses the concerns of all the rest of us. Just walks away, refuses to address our concerns. He also has 2 dogs that regularly get out of the house he lives in, and kill other people's pets and I saw the dogs menacing another neighbor out walking her baby in a stroller. And he acts as if we are overreacting.

Just an asshole.

We have quite the problem with "flop houses" around here in SE CT due to the Mohegan Sun Casino and Foxwoods. The building inspectors can't legally go around looking for them, he has to wait until someone complains. He routinely busts quite a few houses per month. Typically they will have about 20-25 people living in a typical house. They usually get ratted out by either the power company or the water guys due to extreme usage levels.

740 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:04:42am

re: #736 realwest

That's how they were caught! Some relatives showed up to lay some flowers,pay their respects and - nothing but grass, no headstones or anything like that!

Remember that crematorium in Georgia a few years back? They were dumping the bodies and giving people charcoal ashes or something.

741 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:04:56am

re: #734 reloadingisnotahobby

Now I'm not saying you should do this......But buy
Cheap Bleach........Sneek over in the middle of the night......
write ASSHOLE in BIG letters on his lawn.................
Then wait a week and have a good laugh!

I know...I'm a STINKER!

Depending on the cost of repairing his lawn, that could be a felony.

742 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:05:14am

re: #724 MandyManners

This is Obama's nuclear disarmament policy:

1. Nukes are bad.
2. Bad people are building nukes.
3. We will give up our nukes.
4. This will shame the bad people into giving up their nukes.

It would be laughable, if the consequences were not so dangerous.

743 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:05:17am

BIG NEWS:

vx, redstateredneck and doppelganglander and I play online scrabble, have been doing it for months.

VX is definitely the scrabble queen, the person to beat, and we've done it a FEW times. Almost beat her twice in a row, once, that would have been a record.

But the most recently finished game was won by DOPPELGANGLANDER. Everybody congratulate her. She gets the tiara

744 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:05:17am

re: #711 Kenneth

These ass-hats are going to get people killed.

745 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:05:27am

re: #708 SixDegrees

So I shouldn't take the law into my own hands. We wont do the super soaker water gun weed killer thing, but we really want to. Good advice thanks.

746 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:06:03am

re: #705 reloadingisnotahobby

I had to come in and reset the Chiller so the court house is
NICE and COOL for the Judges!
Everyone treats me great cause I can really mess with them if the don't!
Damn! New Trane chiller and boiler and it went out of warranty
in may! only cost us 230 thousand !

Funny story (well for people in the AC business). My neighbor wes from tex is used to design huge HVAC projects. When he moved from Texas to CA the state really jacked him over on taxes (CA that is). It turns out he designed (and had control of) the Franchise Tax building here in Sac. Let me put it this way, he got even. One day freezing the next day boiling, went on for about a week.

747 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:06:15am

re: #729 Walter L. Newton

Upding, sir!

748 vxbush  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:06:17am

re: #743 reine.de.tout

BIG NEWS:

vx, redstateredneck and doppelganglander and I play online scrabble, have been doing it for months.

VX is definitely the scrabble queen, the person to beat, and we've done it a FEW times. Almost beat her twice in a row, once, that would have been a record.

But the most recently finished game was won by DOPPELGANGLANDER. Everybody congratulate her. She gets the tiara

Yes, congratulations to Doppel. She did extremely well, and I tip the tiara to her.

749 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:06:21am

re: #727 NJDhockeyfan

Israel may allow PA counter-terror force

In a related story, the FBI may allow the Mafia to start running anti-organized crime units.

750 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:07:04am

re: #739 johnnyreb

We have quite the problem with "flop houses" around here in SE CT due to the Mohegan Sun Casino and Foxwoods. The building inspectors can't legally go around looking for them, he has to wait until someone complains. He routinely busts quite a few houses per month. Typically they will have about 20-25 people living in a typical house. They usually get ratted out by either the power company or the water guys due to extreme usage levels.

Yes, I've made the proper reports.
We'll see what happens.
This guy makes regular contributions to most of the local politicians as his "insurance" policy.

751 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:07:05am

re: #733 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards! How is everyone on this fine Friday?

Hi Hoops. Got a big weekend planned?

752 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:07:29am

re: #743 reine.de.tout

BIG NEWS:

vx, redstateredneck and doppelganglander and I play online scrabble, have been doing it for months.

VX is definitely the scrabble queen, the person to beat, and we've done it a FEW times. Almost beat her twice in a row, once, that would have been a record.

But the most recently finished game was won by DOPPELGANGLANDER. Everybody congratulate her. She gets the tiara

Woot! And I was the big loser this game. I couldn't buy a vowel to save my life!

753 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:07:36am

re: #742 Kenneth

This is Obama's nuclear disarmament policy:


It would be laughable, if the consequences were not so dangerous.

Think of the damage we're repairing from Carter, 30 years later. Now, think of the damage that can be done in 30 years if Iran and/or North Korea get nukes.

754 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:07:39am

re: #702 Mad Al-Jaffee
Ah! Shoulda known! Whereabout (comment number(s)?) can you remember?

755 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:07:53am

re: #735 MandyManners

That report from Roggio is interesting. The off the record comment from the "unnamed US intelligence official" is sharply critical of US policy. That policy must be coming down from on high, against the advice of the senior officials of the intelligence community. We know how CIA leaks damaged the Bush presidency, now they have started to leak on Obama.

756 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:07:59am

re: #710 razorbacker

Phbbbtttt!

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your long underwear.

I need to go for a whle. The Big Boy is hunting the pond levee again, and if he drags up another dead snake onto the porch I'm going to...well...I'm not going to do anything. He's a good cat.

But I'll scratch his ears in a distinctly cool and aloof manner. That'll show 'im.

hands down pants itching, ha. Hey what kind of dawg you got RB?

757 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:08:26am

re: #744 Mr. In get Mr. Out

These ass-hats are going to get have already got people killed.

FTFY!

758 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:08:27am

re: #751 KenJen

Hi Hoops. Got a big weekend planned?


Hi Jen! Should be perfect weather to lay around the pool..just be lazy..
How about you?

759 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:08:36am

re: #741 MandyManners
Yes!I know!
I personally would never do such a thing ...........
But...A friend did to the a man who he saw intentionally run over his cat!
Police said " It's your work against his" To bad so sad!

760 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:08:40am

re: #733 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards! How is everyone on this fine Friday?

Morning HH.

761 lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:08:50am

re: #748 vxbush

If I may ask, do you guys play against each other (in an e-mail type game) or do you play live interactive Scrabble on a website with ppl from all over the world?

762 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:09:04am

re: #752 redstateredneck

Woot! And I was the big loser this game. I couldn't buy a vowel to save my life!

LOL.
You did just fine.

763 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:09:07am

re: #712 reine.de.tout

oh, no!
How awful!
No, this guy's not that bad.
He owns 4 of the 6 properties that begin with my house at a corner.
And he ILLEGALLY rents rooms in these houses, to what looks to be halfway house graduates. I know for a fact that at least one of his tenants had a record, theft, burglary, etc.

And he dismisses the concerns of all the rest of us. Just walks away, refuses to address our concerns. He also has 2 dogs that regularly get out of the house he lives in, and kill other people's pets and I saw the dogs menacing another neighbor out walking her baby in a stroller. And he acts as if we are overreacting.

Just an asshole.

Again, see what the police can municipality can do. Even if the police don't act on a complaint, they keep a record of it. When an asshole finally gets busted, having a drawerful of police reports has an influence on how the case gets handled, or on sentencing if it comes to that.

Best to get as many of your neighbors to do likewise as possible, or you may wind up with a reputation as someone who habitually complains. Backup complaints from other residents defuse this rapidly.

764 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:09:45am

re: #746 turn

LOL!
Besides the paper boy...you should really treat your HVAC Guy'
really well!

765 legalpad  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:09:47am

re: #711 Kenneth

Stupidity is contagious...

Will somebody please smack these idiots with a clue-by-four?

"in order to persuade rogue states"


Right.

Gordon Brown is apparently Neville Chamberlains reincarnation.

766 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:09:56am

There have been several large bomb attacks in Iraq in the past couple weeks. It's likely Iran has had a hand in some if not all of them.

767 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:10:03am

re: #754 realwest

I think it started around #334.

768 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:10:12am

re: #716 realwest

Yeah hey turn, try my #559!

I scrolled up first thing this AM to check it out, nice there today. Sac is low 90's and just beautiful. How are you buddy?

769 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:10:26am

re: #760 Walter L. Newton

Morning HH.

Morning Walter...Work calls brb

770 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:10:54am

re: #765 legalpad

Right.

Gordon Brown is apparently Neville Chamberlains reincarnation.

I thought Obama was? All these reincarnations are getting confusing. You can't tell a reincarnation without a program.

771 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:11:00am

Hi. good morning guys.

772 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:11:00am

re: #755 Kenneth

That report from Roggio is interesting. The off the record comment from the "unnamed US intelligence official" is sharply critical of US policy. That policy must be coming down from on high, against the advice of the senior officials of the intelligence community. We know how CIA leaks damaged the Bush presidency, now they have started to leak on Obama.

I doubt the MFM will spread the leaks now as they did with Pres. Bush?

773 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:11:05am

re: #716 realwest

Yeah hey turn, try my #559!

dang real, even you didn't get it! Some joke that was ...

774 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:11:27am

re: #713 redstateredneck
Hey {red} - didja notice that 3 Sigma E's avatar is the same exact one as Itellu3times!
Have they ever been on board at the same time, hmm?

775 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:12:02am

I wonder if Letterman will make any jokes about 16 year old Brazilian gietting knocked up by Obama tonight. Somehow I doubt it.

776 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:12:10am

re: #761 lincolntf

If I may ask, do you guys play against each other (in an e-mail type game) or do you play live interactive Scrabble on a website with ppl from all over the world?

It's an e-mail type game at a site called thepixiepit.co.uk.

It works really well - VX found the site. After the first game, they ask for a $12 annual subscription fee - $1 a month - and we can play several games in a month.

We use their "super-scrabble" feature - larger board, more letters, so our games don't end too quickly (with 4 people, regular scrabble games end after 5 maybe 6 turns each).

It's a very relaxing way to play scrabble, no pressure to PLAY NOW while your partners tap their fingers on the table (that would usually be me getting impatient).

777 vxbush  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:12:14am

re: #761 lincolntf

If I may ask, do you guys play against each other (in an e-mail type game) or do you play live interactive Scrabble on a website with ppl from all over the world?

We play at the Pixie Pit, which is a paid site but only $12. It has a nice web interface, so each person can play when they can. That way we don't have to all be at the computer at the same time. It sends out reminder emails, which is a great feature.

778 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:12:18am

re: #608 MandyManners

Sorry for the delayed response, got trapped by a block puzzle. One brother is. My mom updates everything on a yearly basis at the least.

779 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:12:22am

re: #758 HoosierHoops

Hi Jen! Should be perfect weather to lay around the pool..just be lazy..
How about you?

Work a few tomorrow. Polo match down by the river after work. Then poolside for the rest of it. Not bad eh?

780 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:12:27am

re: #772 MandyManners

True, the media will cover his ass for a while. Until something catastrophically bad happens. Then the media will turn on him.

781 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:12:40am

re: #773 turn

dang real, even you didn't get it! Some joke that was ...

It was way too subtle for us.

782 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:12:47am

good morning everyone .... it's a beautiful day in connecticut ... and i'm really glad to see that the protesters in iran are back in action. this is a great time for the G8 leaders (I use that term loosely) to come out with a joint statement of support for these brave freedom fighters.

783 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:12:54am

re: #775 Mad Al-Jaffee

Ding! We have a winner folks!

784 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:12:58am

re: #771 Alouette

Hi. good morning guys.

Morning, how's things in the Zionist Mall? (Product placement pitch from Walter to you).

"Waht is the Zionist Mall?" "Well, since you asked!"

785 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:14:05am

re: #745 KenJen

So I shouldn't take the law into my own hands. We wont do the super soaker water gun weed killer thing, but we really want to. Good advice thanks.

It's always best to exhaust all your legal options before moving on to...other avenues of conflict resolution. None of which I can publicly condone. Although privately, I might suggest that you buy any Roundup you might have a need for someplace far from where you usually shop, and pay for it with cash.

786 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:14:09am

re: #775 Mad Al-Jaffee

I wonder if Letterman will make any jokes about 16 year old Brazilian gietting knocked up by Obama tonight. Somehow I doubt it.

We know the identity of the girl he & Sarkozy were checking out yesterday?
/

787 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:14:54am

re: #759 reloadingisnotahobby

Yes!I know!
I personally would never do such a thing ...........
But...A friend did to the a man who he saw intentionally run over his cat!
Police said " It's your work against his" To bad so sad!

A neighbor intentionally ran over my dog when I was a pre-teen--in front of several people. When I got home from school that day, I marched up to his house and preached him a sermon about killing animals and then lying about it. I ranted and I raved.

Asshole called my dad to tattle on me. My dad laughed at him and I was congratulated by my parents. That man sealed his fate that day in that neighborhood. He was SHUNNED utterly.

If there were witnesses in your friend's case, he could've taken him to small claim's court to pay for any vet bills or other costs.

788 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:15:50am

re: #778 BlueCanuck

Sorry for the delayed response, got trapped by a block puzzle. One brother is. My mom updates everything on a yearly basis at the least.

Good for her.

789 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:16:23am

re: #766 Kenneth

There have been several large bomb attacks in Iraq in the past couple weeks. It's likely Iran has had a hand in some if not all of them.

If they would only unclench...

790 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:16:29am

re: #780 Kenneth

True, the media will cover his ass for a while. Until something catastrophically bad happens. Then the media will turn on him.

The problem is, the catastrophe might not happen until 2039.

791 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:16:45am

re: #775 Mad Al-Jaffee

I wonder if Letterman will make any jokes about 16 year old Brazilian gietting knocked up by Obama tonight. Somehow I doubt it.

Further study of the photo graph is needed. Interested parties have started to build a wire-frame over the photograph and using vectors graphic technologies, early indications are coming in that the President was not looking at the young woman's booty, but instead was trying to avoid a small pile of dog shit dropped by Sarkozy's miniature poodle. The pile of shit may have been photoshopped OUT of the picture by a Hamas photographer working for AP.

792 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:16:58am

re: #733 HoosierHoops
Good morning Hoops! How are you doing today? Gonna float in the pool on your rubber chaise luounge while drinking beer!
;)

793 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:17:13am

BBIAB

794 zombie  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:17:44am

Aaaaaggghhhhh!

My internet connection went kablooey shortly after I posted my comment at #70, and ever since then I was been unable to get back on the Web or LGF! Talk about frustrating! I only just now got back (After a night's sleep.) Turns out it was a scheduled "Maintenance outage" on the part of the internet company. But I know that in the interim everyone was probably mystified about my sudden silence after posting such a provocative comment - and now everyone thinks I'm rude! A million apologies. Sorry.

I'll try to catch up now.

MAN that was FRUSTRATING!

795 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:18:24am

re: #783 Kenneth

Ding! We have a winner folks!

Thanks! Even though I meant "16 year old Brazilian girls getting" (spelled right)

796 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:18:31am

re: #740 redstateredneck

Remember that crematorium in Georgia a few years back? They were dumping the bodies and giving people charcoal ashes or something.


Fortunately, No, I don't!

797 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:18:44am

While Obama was checking out teen booty, Michelle had other plans....
Big Stick Diplomacy

798 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:18:56am

re: #787 MandyManners

His cat .....DRT!
I've seen a teen swerve to hit my nieghbors cat!...DRT!
My wife was in the yard with 7 or 8 little day care kiddies!
They saw it all!
Chief of Police is a personnal friend of mine so I jumped in the truck and followed the asshole and called John!
He was cited and send home ......

799 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:19:11am

Hey Reine! ... I will be sending you an email later at our new double secret email from my new iPhone ... it better be good ...

Must go boss some people around ... See ya'll later ... have a great day! ...

/hahahaha ..like they pay any attention to me ... especially on payday ... no respect! ...

Changes ...

800 zombie  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:19:21am

re: #93 capitalist piglet

Well, that's a bombshell, if ever there was one. Wow.

This is probably a stupid question, but you know without a doubt that it is the same man, correct?

Most definitely yes -- the same man.

801 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:19:36am

re: #733 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards! How is everyone on this fine Friday?

Hey hoops, fine - how bout you? I wish I was out golfing, maybe I'll play this weekend. Incidentally all this time I've been telling people here I live in Sac, actually I live in Carmichael which is near Sac. I was born and raised in Sac though. I only live about a half a mile from Ancil Hoffman, which is a beautiful public course. I walk the lab there quite often.
[Link: www.golfancilhoffman.com...]

802 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:19:38am

re: #794 zombie

Yeah, a lot of us on the Left coast are having connection problems this morning.

803 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:19:52am

re: #787 MandyManners

A neighbor intentionally ran over my dog when I was a pre-teen--in front of several people. When I got home from school that day, I marched up to his house and preached him a sermon about killing animals and then lying about it. I ranted and I raved.

Asshole called my dad to tattle on me. My dad laughed at him and I was congratulated by my parents. That man sealed his fate that day in that neighborhood. He was SHUNNED utterly.

If there were witnesses in your friend's case, he could've taken him to small claim's court to pay for any vet bills or other costs.

Good for you, {Mandy}. And good for your parents, too.

804 lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:19:59am

re: #776 reine.de.tout

re: #777 vxbush

Thanks.
I used to play at ISC.RO.com (live, timed games) but somehow my reg. failed one day and I've never been able to get back on. Not relaxing at all, but very competitive.

805 zombie  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:20:18am

re: #73 mrshankly01

wow, "brave new world" follower.

Interesting that you mention that. Yes, certain aspects of Holdren's dystopian vision are reminiscent of "Brave New World" -- primarily the government having complete control over human reproduction -- but there are many other aspects of "Brave New World" that are completely dissimilar to Holdren's vision, so I purposely didn't mention the book anywhere on the page, lest literary types point out the differences. (For example, Holdren wants to bring back the "shame culture" of prejudice against unwed mothers and against promiscuity -- quite the opposite of Brave New World, in which promiscuity and singleness are encouraged.)

806 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:20:21am

re: #737 midwestgak

I hope Pelosi serves.

Me too. 25 to life.

hahahaha. Morning gal, that was good.

807 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:21:31am

re: #755 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth! "now they have started to leak on Obama."
Boy, talk about wish fulfillment!

808 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:22:03am

re: #771 Alouette

Hi. good morning guys.

Good morning al, happy Friday here.

809 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:22:53am

re: #753 MandyManners

Think of the damage we're repairing from Carter, 30 years later. Now, think of the damage that can be done in 30 years if Iran and/or North Korea get nukes.

Usually half lifes range a lot longer I think.

810 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:23:02am

I'm going to go home and follow my lawnmower around for a couple hours!
Don't that sound GREAT?

Yeah ME!

811 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:23:26am

re: #790 MandyManners

Unfortunately, it will happen at lot sooner than that.

I don't believe Obama is intentionally disarming America in some secret plot to surrender to our enemies, although at time it does look like that. I do believe Obama is a narcissist who desperately needs people to admire him. He will tell any lie to aggrandize himself and even believes his own fantasies about peace, love & unicorns. He projects his internal schema onto the world around him. Like any narcissist, he simply does not have any conception of what the consequences of his actions will be.

812 legalpad  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:23:44am

re: #787 MandyManners

A neighbor intentionally ran over my dog when I was a pre-teen--in front of several people. When I got home from school that day, I marched up to his house and preached him a sermon about killing animals and then lying about it. I ranted and I raved.

Asshole called my dad to tattle on me. My dad laughed at him and I was congratulated by my parents. That man sealed his fate that day in that neighborhood. He was SHUNNED utterly.

If there were witnesses in your friend's case, he could've taken him to small claim's court to pay for any vet bills or other costs.

A neighbors large collie attacked my wife's chihuahua after assurances from the neighbors that he wouldn't. I immediately jumped on the dog and got him in a headlock so he couldn't shake his victim, thinking the owners, who were both standing there would get him off immediately. The wife just stood there like an idiot and the man tried to pet my wife's other dog, a dachshund, who was on a leash but barking like crazy because his buddy was being attacked. The neighbor got what he wanted, a slight nip from the dachshund, so he could have a counter-suit. In the meantime, I'm deciding whether to crunch their stupid collies windpipe. They finally got him off, and offered to pay the vet bill. The neighbor thanked me for my restraint. He pointed out his little nip and I ignored him.

813 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:24:00am

re: #794 zombie

Aaaaaggghhhhh!

My internet connection went kablooey shortly after I posted my comment at #70, and ever since then I was been unable to get back on the Web or LGF! Talk about frustrating! I only just now got back (After a night's sleep.) Turns out it was a scheduled "Maintenance outage" on the part of the internet company. But I know that in the interim everyone was probably mystified about my sudden silence after posting such a provocative comment - and now everyone thinks I'm rude! A million apologies. Sorry.

I'll try to catch up now.

MAN that was FRUSTRATING!

I've not read it closely but, what you've written is spot-on with my knowledge of Holdren.

814 zombie  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:24:24am

re: #165 freetoken

Perhaps you missed my point. Holdren has already said he no longer holds to the idea of an optimum population or that it is the function of government to make that choice. And that was discussed at the hearing and in some blogs and papers at that time.

And I've pointed this out to Zombie before, the first time he asked about input on the Holdren post.

Links?

If it's true that he has addressed this issue before and truly said he disavows these notions, I really really need to see a link for that, so I can include it in the report! I tried looking, but couldn't find any.

815 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:24:27am

Morning all! Did I miss anything important?

816 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:24:32am

re: #797 Killgore Trout

Oh man, is that photo begging for a caption!

817 legalpad  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:24:49am

re: #811 Kenneth

he simply does not have any conception of what the consequences of his actions will be.

Like most of the people who voted for him.

818 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:26:09am

re: #671 johnnyreb

Yes please read the entire article and my #632. That article is a partisan hack job.

johnnyreb, other than the fact that one of the 2,500 respondents said something positive about the president, what do you base "partisan hack job" on?

If the poll had been taken in 2007 and one of the respondents said something positive about the president, would that have made it a "partisan hack job"? What changed?

819 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:26:10am

re: #807 realwest

Hah. I'm betting we will see more of it. A lot of people at the CIA were less than thrilled at Leon Panetta becoming DCI. It's payback time.

820 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:26:11am

re: #794 zombie

We've been tryin to tall ya!
They really are WATCHING YOU!
LOL.....I think.........

821 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:26:27am

re: #797 Killgore Trout

While Obama was checking out teen booty, Michelle had other plans....
Big Stick Diplomacy

That dress makes her ass look big.

822 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:26:45am

When I turned on the TV this morning, I heard a very familiar voice, Obama conducting a news conference.
A couple of times he called on specific newsies who were not there.
He got a couple of questions that he clearly didn"t anticipate & really fumbled.
Now he is in the Vatican, I'm sure to tell the Pope that he is a big fan of Notre Dame football.

823 zombie  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:27:00am

re: #146 iceweasel

Agreed.

Not a bombshell, not embarrassing, and it's about to be blown out of proportion.

It's not embarrassing to have once advocated for forced abortions and mass sterilization? I'd find that pretty embarrassing.

824 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:27:08am

re: #815 VegasRick

Yes the suns been up for two hours!
Slacker.............

825 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:28:09am

Fox News: Wednesday, July 8th - Rand Paul on Glenn Beck (via stormfront)

On Wednesday, July 8th, Dr. Rand Paul joined guest host Judge Napolitano on the Glenn Beck show to discuss the federal government's plans to completely take over healthcare.
On Wednesday, July 8th, Dr. Rand Paul joined guest host Judge Napolitano on the Glenn Beck show to discuss the federal government's plans to completely take over healthcare.

826 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:28:54am

re: #824 reloadingisnotahobby

Yes the suns been up for two hours!
Slacker.............

Well, I had to mow the back 40 and milk all the cows before I could post!
/

827 justabill  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:29:03am

re: #730 turn

Thanks bill. What's up?

Not much, at work so just glancing at the boards. Should have remembered realwests weather reports. Good one...

828 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:29:20am

re: #821 SixDegrees

Funny, but I think that she looks good in that color, but the green flower detracts from an otherwise nicely proportioned dress. The background is, well, unintentionally hilarious.

829 zombie  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:29:50am

re: #171 iceweasel

I didn't know about your posting history here in re: Holdren, but I did follow Holdren's confirmation and facts about Holdren closely -- this is most important to me.

And as you said: this was fully discussed elsewhere; it is not news; it is nothing to be concerned about (if it were, you better believe I'd be all over it)-- and some are going to persist in pretending it is a big deal.

If you (or anyone) has a link to any page which shows that Holdren disavowed these notions, I need to see it ASAP! Because I will definitely put it in the post. And if he really and truly did disavow these things completely, then I will quash this post and not release it. But I need proof.

830 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:30:03am

re: #826 VegasRick

Ha Ha!

831 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:30:15am

re: #816 Kenneth

Oh man, is that photo begging for a caption!

/looks like she came away with a mouthful

832 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:30:39am

re: #828 lawhawk

Moreover, one could imagine her going for that club after seeing her husband in these two photos. All the while, Sarkozy has got to be thinking to himself that he's got Carla waiting for him when he gets home.

833 johnnyreb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:30:52am

re: #818 ShanghaiEd

johnnyreb, other than the fact that one of the 2,500 respondents said something positive about the president, what do you base "partisan hack job" on?

If the poll had been taken in 2007 and one of the respondents said something positive about the president, would that have made it a "partisan hack job"? What changed?

Go to the AAAS web site, the people who funded the study and look around. The link is in the article.

834 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:31:37am

Man Shoots Intruder In Self-Defense
Incident Marks Third Time In 2 Weeks Victims Used Stand-Your-Ground Law

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- William West was asleep in his bed when he got an unusual call from his neighbor at 4:30 in the morning.

"I called him back, and he was like, 'Somebody in your house right now. How asleep is you? They in your house right now," West's neighbor said.

That's when West said he got up and armed himself with a 12-gauge shotgun, taking matters into his own hands.

"I didn't really have time to think, you know what I'm saying," West said. "Didn't have time to think to be scared or not. I just know I had to try to protect myself. That's it."

West said he shot the intruder who was later identified as 25-year-old Gerald Wright.

According to the arrest report, Wright came in through West's window armed with a silver handgun and was standing in his living room.

"I couldn't really see because I wear glasses, so I just shot because I had buck shots, and I know they would spread," West said.

According to the report, Wright was able to climb back out and run a couple blocks away, where he was found lying on the ground near the dorms at Edward Waters College.

Five days later, you can still see a trail of blood from the suspect leading from the window down the stairwell.

"I was trying to protect myself," West said. "That's all."

This marks the third incident in the last couple of weeks where victims are no longer waiting for police and instead utilizing Florida's stand-your-ground law.

The law gives victims the right to use deadly force in self-defense situations.

835 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:32:21am

re: #767 Mad Al-Jaffee
Ah, thank you.

836 zombie  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:32:27am

re: #182 freetoken

Well, are you taking his word in the publication which Zombie has scanned?

What we are faced with is somebody who has changed his mind. Even more so, the history of those writings is that Paul Erlich was the senior person involved, and Holdren was the junior, so we don't know how much of it was just Erlich's ideas being repeated by Holdren.

It was a given going into the confirmation hearing that Holdren was perceived as carrying some baggage... and Senator Rockerfeller went ahead and bundled the Lubchenco nomination (which would garner no objections) with Holdren's, thus sweetening the pie, so to speak.

The GOP had a (more junior) senator quiz Holdren on this very issue at the confirmation hearing, obviously in the hope that something could come of it, but nothing did because of all people politicians ought to be the last one to try and hold people accountable for what they said 30 years earlier.

Even though I was not a big fan of Holdren (partly because he had the baggage of Erlich with him), this "issue" really does seem to me to be water under the bridge.

Link link link.

A junior senator asking a couple questions doesn't sound too thorough, frankly.

And many of your objections are addressed in my post already (specifically about the co-authorship).

837 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:32:30am

re: #814 zombie

Links?

If it's true that he has addressed this issue before and truly said he disavows these notions, I really really need to see a link for that, so I can include it in the report! I tried looking, but couldn't find any.

How about this from Front Page? It doesn't seem that he's backed off on this angle of directing human behavior.

The function of such welfare is twofold: to enrich citizens of the Global South and to impoverish Americans for their own good. In a 2006 paper, Holdren noted that reducing "GDP per person" -- that is, cutting your personal wealth -- also reduces Greenhouse Gas emissions. True, it is "not a lever that most people would want to use to reduce emissions"; "People are not getting rich as fast as they think, however, if GDP growth is being achieved at the expense of the environmental underpinnings of well-being" (pp. 15-16).

Holdren addressed the economic costs of his massive restructuring of the economy some 32 years ago, acknowledging it "will entail considerable retraining and temporary unemployment in the workforce" (p. 853). Yet he continues to support economy-crushing energy taxation. In a 1997 press conference, he surmised that if alternative energy sources were to get a foothold, either they "would have to get a great deal cheaper, which seems unlikely, or natural gas would have to get considerably more expensive. The latter is actually a good idea." One is hardly encouraged to learn that last December, environmentalist Dr. James Hansen sent a four-page letter via Holdren to "Michelle and Barack." (Hansen wrote it as surgeons in Vienna placed a stent in his wife's chest following an unexpected heart attack.) His personal note to "John" states, "When gasoline hits $4-5/gallons again, most of that should be tax." Five months earlier, Holdren rated Hansen "one of the most distinguished climate scientists in the world."

838 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:32:45am

re: #827 justabill

Not much, at work so just glancing at the boards. Should have remembered realwests weather reports. Good one...

Even real didn't get it, some joke. Did you read zomb's article on Holdren? I was just skimming it and it looks very thorough. The guy has some crazy ideas but there is no chance in hell this country is ever going to let them get adopted.

839 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:33:03am

Bootleg of the Ron Paul scene from the Bruno movie....
Full Brüno Ron Paul Scene


"He's queer as blazes!"
840 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:33:49am

re: #70 zombie

Excellent research! That book he co-wrote with Paul erlich is appalling. Here are a few choice quotes from Ehrlich:

"Actually, the problem in the world is that there is much too many rich people..." - Quoted by the Associated Press, April 6, 1990

"Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun." - Quoted by R. Emmett Tyrrell in The American Spectator, September 6, 1992

"We've already had too much economic growth in the United States. Economic growth in rich countries like ours is the disease, not the cure." - Quoted by Dixy Lee Ray in her book Trashing the Planet (1990)

"The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. Population control is the only answer." - Ehrlich in his book, The Population Bomb (1968), predicting widespread famine that never materialized

The first three sound like Obama administration policy positions.

841 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:33:55am

re: #828 lawhawk

Funny, but I think that she looks good in that color, but the green flower detracts from an otherwise nicely proportioned dress. The background is, well, unintentionally hilarious.

Wow, she does look good in that color.

842 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:33:58am

re: #773 turn That was a joke? Oh, hahahahahahahaha! Great one turn!
?

843 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:34:18am

re: #834 NJDhockeyfan

..............SCORE!.................

844 zombie  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:34:44am

re: #186 poteen

History since 1977 has pretty much shown his overpopulation models to be lacking. His solutions,sick as they are, might not stick to him today.
You might use your research wizardry (or witchcraft) to see if he was part of the global cooling crowd back in the 70s.
Being wrong ALL the time makes the 'science czar' look very bad.

And you know Obama worries about how things look.

Other people have addressed this topic, but it was outside the parameters of my post. I think he was part of the early global warming crowd, but he also at one point was hysterical about global cooling, if I remember right.

845 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:34:46am

I may have underestimated the Dear Leader. He went to the G8 & threw down the gauntlet on Global warming.
Pretty much they all agreed that something must be done but not by them.
Is Obama a master or what?

846 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:35:29am

re: #804 lincolntf

re: #777 vxbush

Thanks.
I used to play at ISC.RO.com (live, timed games) but somehow my reg. failed one day and I've never been able to get back on. Not relaxing at all, but very competitive.

I have noticed - the pixiepit requires "java", and it does not work well with the google chrome browser that I usually use.

so I have to change to the safari browser to set up games and play.

You might try getting back in using a different browser than the usual one.

847 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:35:47am

re: #722 realwest

Good morning 3 wood! How are you doing today? Didja get my e-mail from last night?

Just did and replied.

848 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:35:58am

re: #782 _RememberTonyC

good morning everyone .... it's a beautiful day in connecticut ... and i'm really glad to see that the protesters in iran are back in action. this is a great time for the G8 leaders (I use that term loosely) to come out with a joint statement of support for these brave freedom fighters.


Good morning and I'm sorry to say this, but don't hold your breath on that one. Blue doesn't really become you, ya know?

849 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:36:00am

re: #834 NJDhockeyfan

I have a feeling we are going to see this more and more since the police forces are being scaled back due to the bad economy.

850 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:36:54am

re: #843 reloadingisnotahobby

..............SCORE!.................

Updinged fer sho!

851 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:37:33am

re: #844 zombie

I just shot an e-mail to you.

852 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:38:06am

re: #837 MandyManners

How about this from Front Page? It doesn't seem that he's backed off on this angle of directing human behavior.

The function of such welfare is twofold: to enrich citizens of the Global South and to impoverish Americans for their own good. In a 2006 paper, Holdren noted that reducing "GDP per person" -- that is, cutting your personal wealth -- also reduces Greenhouse Gas emissions. True, it is "not a lever that most people would want to use to reduce emissions"; "People are not getting rich as fast as they think, however, if GDP growth is being achieved at the expense of the environmental underpinnings of well-being" (pp. 15-16).

Holdren addressed the economic costs of his massive restructuring of the economy some 32 years ago, acknowledging it "will entail considerable retraining and temporary unemployment in the workforce" (p. 853). Yet he continues to support economy-crushing energy taxation. In a 1997 press conference, he surmised that if alternative energy sources were to get a foothold, either they "would have to get a great deal cheaper, which seems unlikely, or natural gas would have to get considerably more expensive. The latter is actually a good idea." One is hardly encouraged to learn that last December, environmentalist Dr. James Hansen sent a four-page letter via Holdren to "Michelle and Barack." (Hansen wrote it as surgeons in Vienna placed a stent in his wife's chest following an unexpected heart attack.) His personal note to "John" states, "When gasoline hits $4-5/gallons again, most of that should be tax." Five months earlier, Holdren rated Hansen "one of the most distinguished climate scientists in the world."

I have just about reached my limit with the lies that I'm forced to believe about climate change.

853 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:38:31am

re: #851 MandyManners

I just shot an e-mail to you.

Silly girl. Everyone knows you can't shoot a zombie!

854 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:38:57am

re: #848 realwest

Good morning and I'm sorry to say this, but don't hold your breath on that one. Blue doesn't really become you, ya know?

Hi RW ... Hope you are feeling well today. iran will be free in spite of the morons with no moral compasses who are failing to support the good people over there. Sorry for my ignorance, but what do you mean that "blue doesn't really become me?"

855 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:39:25am

re: #832 lawhawk

Moreover, one could imagine her going for that club after seeing her husband in these two photos. All the while, Sarkozy has got to be thinking to himself that he's got Carla waiting for him when he gets home.

No, Obama wasn't doing a booty check, no he was just wondering what material her skirt was made out of. Yeah that's it.
It's like when people thought that he bowed to the Saudi King, when really he was just checking out his shoe shine. That's the ticket!

856 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:39:30am

re: #842 realwest

That was a joke? Oh, hahahahahahahaha! Great one turn!
?

Yeah, it was a joke but you wouldn't believe how many lizards advised me on where to go to get weather reports! Mighty friendly folk here, for sure.

857 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:39:33am

re: #849 turn
That's a sad fact!
Yet burglary is not a death sentence!
I would have done the same thing!
As I'm sure you would....
B and E WILL decrease the more this is put out there by the media!
By the way...My son lives in Jacksonville FL..............
I've gat 357 Bulldog for him for his 21st BD!

858 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:39:36am

re: #852 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I have just about reached my limit with the lies that I'm forced to believe about climate change.

Holdren---Hansen---Soros.

859 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:39:45am

re: #854 _RememberTonyC

Morning TC. Got your e-mail and returned one to both home/ work

860 johnnyreb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:40:19am

re: #853 sattv4u2

Silly girl. Everyone knows you can't shoot a zombie!

Sure you can, in the head. Works everytime at least in the movies.

861 zombie  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:40:21am

re: #851 MandyManners

I just shot an e-mail to you.

OK! Will check it out.

862 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:40:25am

re: #834 NJDhockeyfan

Man Shoots Intruder In Self-Defense
Incident Marks Third Time In 2 Weeks Victims Used Stand-Your-Ground Law

Good to hear. I'd only have two criticisms: first, it would have been prudent for one of the two neighbors to have called the police immediately after alerting each other. Second, and more important: "I just shot because I had buck shots, and I know they would spread" is a common fallacy when it comes to shotguns. You'll get some spread, but at typical home defense distances, we're talking a couple of inches. It's not like you can just point the gun into the room and hit anything in there, which is what a lot of people wrongly believe. You'll be a lot better off if you know how to handle your weapon and know what it is capable of.

All that aside, I'm glad to hear Florida has such a sensible law. "Wait around until the police get there" is equivalent to "Wait around until the police find your corpse" in too many cases. I expect that this initial flurry of incidents of self defense will quickly die down, as word gets out to the criminal element that they're up against deadly force, no questions asked.

863 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:40:34am

re: #853 sattv4u2

Silly girl. Everyone knows you can't shoot a zombie!

Shooting them in the head will kill them, at least according to Night of The Living Dead.

864 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:40:35am

re: #839 Killgore Trout

Couldn't happen to a nice guy: Ron Paul!

865 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:41:08am

re: #829 zombie

Caution, rabid Obama shill Xing next 200 comments.

/claims to be from U.S. yet uses phrases like "at university", what American ever does that?

866 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:41:09am

re: #854 _RememberTonyC

but what do you mean that "blue doesn't really become me?"

Don't hold your breath! You'll turn blue

867 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:41:12am

re: #844 zombie

That was the '70's... Global Cooling was the big scare then.

868 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:41:27am

re: #846 reine.de.tout

You're a gamer? I didn't know that. Turnspwan2 is soooo addicted to online gaming, evidently he's pretty darn good.

869 justabill  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:41:44am

re: #838 turn

Even real didn't get it, some joke. Did you read zomb's article on Holdren? I was just skimming it and it looks very thorough. The guy has some crazy ideas but there is no chance in hell this country is ever going to let them get adopted.

I'll look later. I am supposed to be working...

870 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:41:45am

re: #858 MandyManners

Holdren---Hansen---Soros.

Hansen and Soros.

871 legalpad  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:43:01am

re: #857 reloadingisnotahobby

That's a sad fact!
Yet burglary is not a death sentence!
I would have done the same thing!
As I'm sure you would....
B and E WILL decrease the more this is put out there by the media!
By the way...My son lives in Jacksonville FL..............
I've gat 357 Bulldog for him for his 21st BD!

It's not simply burglary if they bring a gun, which he did. What is he going to do with the gun? We don't have to (can't) wait and see.

872 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:43:10am

re: #779 KenJen

Work a few tomorrow. Polo match down by the river after work. Then poolside for the rest of it. Not bad eh?


Polo Match? Do you wear those big floppy hats and drink mint julips?
:)

873 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:43:33am

re: #863 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Shooting them in the head will kill them, at least according to Night of The Living Dead.

Kill the brain and you kill the zombie. That's in all of Romero's zombie movies. I think burning them works too.

874 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:43:49am

re: #869 justabill

I'll look later. I am supposed to be working...

And they're supposed to be paying you for it, so no worries! ////

875 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:44:23am

re: #866 sattv4u2

but what do you mean that "blue doesn't really become me?"

Don't hold your breath! You'll turn blue

d'oh ... i guess my oxygen deprived brain did not process that. will check email in a few mins ...

876 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:44:35am

re: #756 turn

hands down pants itching, ha. Hey what kind of dawg you got RB?

He's just a mutt, a Dawg. He's not my dog, you understand. He just showed up one evening while the wife-woman and I were dining al fresco.

He said, "Hey Boss, if you're about through with that pork chop bone it's not beneath my dignity to dispose of that for you." So I started feeding him, and watering him, and ever so often I'll fea-dip him.

Nobody will admit to running him off, and he sniffed around the place a few days and evidently decided that he'd lived in worst hellholes than this.

So maybe he is my dog. I don't know.

877 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:44:56am

re: #871 legalpad
In THAT case, yes!@
He had a gun...But they don't have to have gun to use lethal
force in self defence!

878 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:45:34am
879 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:45:40am

re: #857 reloadingisnotahobby

That's a sad fact!
Yet burglary is not a death sentence!
I would have done the same thing!
As I'm sure you would....
B and E WILL decrease the more this is put out there by the media!
By the way...My son lives in Jacksonville FL..............
I've gat 357 Bulldog for him for his 21st BD!

breaking into my house while armed is a death sentence....

880 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:45:48am

re: #857 reloadingisnotahobby

That's a sad fact!
Yet burglary is not a death sentence!
I would have done the same thing!
As I'm sure you would....
B and E WILL decrease the more this is put out there by the media!
By the way...My son lives in Jacksonville FL..............
I've gat 357 Bulldog for him for his 21st BD!

Conceal/carry permits will probably increase too. Yes, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot an intruder once I was certain he was just that. Incidentally, a cousin of mine actually did shoot and kill an intruder one time.

881 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:45:52am

re: #864 Kenneth

I do love the awkwardness of the situation. He should have strung it out more but that might have been to painful for most viewers. The Paulians are outraged, of course.

882 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:45:59am

re: #872 HoosierHoops

Polo Match? Do you wear those big floppy hats and drink mint julips?
:)

I tried to play water polo once. Do you know how hard it is to keep the horses head above water?

883 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:46:29am

re: #833 johnnyreb

Go to the AAAS web site, the people who funded the study and look around. The link is in the article.

Will do. What am I looking for, in particular?

884 lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:46:34am

I guess it's official. Now let's see what Obama knows about making a profit.

GM out of bankruptcy

885 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:46:53am

re: #882 sattv4u2

I tried to play water polo once. Do you know how hard it is to keep the horses head above water?


Not if you put floaties on his legs

886 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:47:06am

Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan has announced that she will not run in the 2010 Dem primary for Obama's old Senate seat. Incumbent Roland Burris will announce his intention today not to run.
I wonder, are the clearing the field for Bobby Kennedy's son to waltz to the nomination?

887 legalpad  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:47:22am

re: #877 reloadingisnotahobby

In THAT case, yes!@
He had a gun...But they don't have to have gun to use lethal
force in self defence!

Right, and we can't really know if they are carrying a gun or not, maybe until they pull it out and shoot our family with it. Break in, and die.

888 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:47:27am

Ah geeze look at the time!
Have great weekend all!

889 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:47:46am

re: #832 lawhawk

Moreover, one could imagine her going for that club after seeing her husband in these two photos. All the while, Sarkozy has got to be thinking to himself that he's got Carla waiting for him when he gets home.

it must really suck to be WAB.

890 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:47:58am

re: #805 zombie
Hey zom - went back to your #70 after you mentioned it along with the Internet outage you had, and I didn't see anything wrong with your report - PLENTY wrong about the whole terrifying idea of population control like that, though.
WTH - does Obama know anyone who isn't a tax cheat, or anti-white, anti-"rich" (define rich anyway you want to, it's all class warfare anyway) or just basically morally bankrupt?
Y'all know if this was Bush as POTUS, he'd be raked over the coals morning, noon and night. Yes we Republicans have our problems, but that doesn't mean that the Democrats don't have their problems too - and since the DEMOCRATS OWN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT they are the bigger and most imminent menace right now.
Obama, Emmanuel, Pelosi, Reid, Boxer, Frank, Hoyner, Dodd, the Kennedys, Murtha, et. al. are collectively as bad as anything the Republicans can field in opposition.

891 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:48:24am

Topless Model To Host First Ladies At G8 Summit

(OPENPRESS) July 10, 2009 -- Acting as hostess, Mara Carfanga, the one-time contestant of Miss Italy and topless model, will host the First Ladies of the world, at the forthcoming G8 Summit in Italy.

892 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:48:52am

re: #882 sattv4u2

I tried to play water polo once. Do you know how hard it is to keep the horses head above water?

Yo! Satt! don't mention the horse's head to too many folks. Okay.

893 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:49:17am

re: #876 razorbacker

How cute. You might want to try Advantage rather than flea dipping. It's expensive but that mutt won't have a single itch, one less worry in his poor miserable life. ha

894 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:49:43am

re: #811 Kenneth
" Like any narcissist, he simply does not have any conception of care what the consequences of his actions will be."
There, FTFY!

895 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:49:49am

re: #844 zombie

Other people have addressed this topic, but it was outside the parameters of my post. I think he was part of the early global warming crowd, but he also at one point was hysterical about global cooling, if I remember right.

Zombie: Nope, Hansen was not part of the (very small) global cooling contingent. Here's an article Hansen wrote, explaining how his name has been improperly linked. (Warning, it's a PDF, but a small one.)

896 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:49:55am

And there is the little matter of his prediction a billion people will die within the next 11 years.

Paul Ehrlich recorded that in 1986 Holdren predicted "carbon dioxide-induced famines could kill as many as a billion people before the year 2020." Holdren reiterated this view in Newsweek just two years ago. When he faced Senate questioning this February 12, only one man, Sen. David Vitter, R-LA, dared to ask him about his failed predictions. The Washington Post reported Holdren's response as a brilliant riposte, artfully parrying the query. On the contrary, the transcript shows Holdren actually reaffirmed that he still believes one billion people may die within the next 11 years from a climate-related drought:


Vitter: So you would stick to that statement?
Holdren: I don't think it's likely. I think we should invest effort - considerable effort - to reduce the likelihood further.

Vitter: So you would stick to the statement that it could happen?
Holdren: It could happen, and ...

Vitter: One billion by 2020?
Holdren: It could.


Vitter managed to show Holdren was wrong on yet another front: just two years ago, he wrote that current emissions levels could cause the a 13-foot rise in sea levels. Under cross-examination, Holdren admitted science's most dire estimates are now half as much as Holdren pronounced just two years ago. Yet this "expert" will have the ear of the president in setting scientific policy.

897 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:50:19am

re: #891 NJDhockeyfan

Topless Model To Host First Ladies At G8 Summit

That sounds like a distraction, to me.

A headless body hosting an event.

That'll cause excited whispering 'bout near anywhere in Arkansas.

898 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:50:40am

re: #892 VegasRick

Yo! Satt! don't mention the horse's head to too many folks. Okay.

Find one in your bed, did ya?

899 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:50:45am

re: #894 realwest

Thanks. That's a little closer to the truth.

900 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:50:48am

re: #889 nyc redneck

it must really suck to be WAB.

Don't make her angry.

901 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:51:20am

Re: Brazilian Teen Booty - gate
Has anyone checked to see if the French press is outraged over Sarkozy leering? I seriously doubt there's much outrage outside the US. I find it odd that male sexuality is so offensive to Americans but perfectly acceptable to the Europeans. What has happened to us?

902 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:51:39am

re: #884 lincolntf

I guess it's official. Now let's see what Obama knows about making a profit.

GM out of bankruptcy

zero know zero about making profits, his expertise is in redistributing them.

903 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:52:09am

re: #873 Mad Al-Jaffee

Kill the brain and you kill the zombie. That's in all of Romero's zombie movies. I think burning them works too.

I've heard that in "reality," salted food will kill a zombie.

904 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:52:15am

re: #893 turn

How cute. You might want to try Advantage rather than flea dipping. It's expensive but that mutt won't have a single itch, one less worry in his poor miserable life. ha

That stuff's $40 for a three pack. And the dog still smells just like he did before the dosing.

905 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:52:34am

re: #870 MandyManners

Hansen and Soros.

Excellent article on Hansen!

I didn't realize he was in on the global cooling thing. That alone should be enough to discredit his current rantings.

906 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:52:35am

re: #902 turn

zero know zero about making profits, his expertise is in redistributing them.

Profits are evil.

907 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:52:43am
908 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:53:19am

re: #896 MandyManners

And there is the little matter of his prediction a billion people will die within the next 11 years.

Paul Ehrlich recorded that in 1986 Holdren predicted "carbon dioxide-induced famines could kill as many as a billion people before the year 2020." Holdren reiterated this view in Newsweek just two years ago. When he faced Senate questioning this February 12, only one man, Sen. David Vitter, R-LA, dared to ask him about his failed predictions. The Washington Post reported Holdren's response as a brilliant riposte, artfully parrying the query. On the contrary, the transcript shows Holdren actually reaffirmed that he still believes one billion people may die within the next 11 years from a climate-related drought:

Vitter: So you would stick to that statement?
Holdren: I don't think it's likely. I think we should invest effort - considerable effort - to reduce the likelihood further.

Vitter: So you would stick to the statement that it could happen?
Holdren: It could happen, and ...

Vitter: One billion by 2020?
Holdren: It could.

Vitter managed to show Holdren was wrong on yet another front: just two years ago, he wrote that current emissions levels could cause the a 13-foot rise in sea levels. Under cross-examination, Holdren admitted science's most dire estimates are now half as much as Holdren pronounced just two years ago. Yet this "expert" will have the ear of the president in setting scientific policy.

But conservatives are "anti-science"

909 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:53:19am

re: #901 Killgore Trout

Is Sarkozy actually leering or was he just comparing Obama's reaction to what Sarkozy had at home? Can we go to the video tape?

910 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:53:31am

re: #891 NJDhockeyfan

Hey NJ, post links of pics of her instead will ya? ha

911 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:53:47am

Laundry. bbiab

912 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:54:01am

re: #901 Killgore Trout

Re: Brazilian Teen Booty - gate
Has anyone checked to see if the French press is outraged over Sarkozy leering? I seriously doubt there's much outrage outside the US. I find it odd that male sexuality is so offensive to Americans but perfectly acceptable to the Europeans. What has happened to us?

I blame the Tea Parties!
/

913 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:54:22am

re: #900 NJDhockeyfan

Don't make her angry.

Oh man, if that is not a photo shop.............

914 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:54:43am

re: #901 Killgore Trout

I find it odd that male sexuality is so offensive to Americans but perfectly acceptable to the Europeans. What has happened to us?

Puritanism has cross-pollinated with feminism.
The scarlet letter is now "M", for male.

915 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:55:17am

re: #909 lawhawk

Check my first post of the day for the video link

916 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:55:18am

re: #901 Killgore Trout

Re: Brazilian Teen Booty - gate
Has anyone checked to see if the French press is outraged over Sarkozy leering? I seriously doubt there's much outrage outside the US. I find it odd that male sexuality is so offensive to Americans but perfectly acceptable to the Europeans. What has happened to us?

it might have to do with propriety....does the POTUS need to express his sexuality on the world stage?...beyond that it's all BS

917 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:55:41am

re: #909 lawhawk

Actually if you check out the video Obama was turning around to help the woman behind him step down from the riser. Sarkozy, however, was definitely checking her out.

918 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:55:46am

re: #847 3 wood
Thanks my friend - appreciate the sentiments and agreement!

919 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:56:24am

re: #910 turn

Hey NJ, post links of pics of her instead will ya? ha

How's this one?

920 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:56:36am

re: #868 turn

You're a gamer? I didn't know that. Turnspwan2 is soooo addicted to online gaming, evidently he's pretty darn good.

Just scrabble.

921 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:56:46am

re: #901 Killgore Trout

Re: Brazilian Teen Booty - gate
Has anyone checked to see if the French press is outraged over Sarkozy leering? I seriously doubt there's much outrage outside the US. I find it odd that male sexuality is so offensive to Americans but perfectly acceptable to the Europeans. What has happened to us?

OUTRADGED? The Europeans are prolly outraged Sarkozy didn't reach out and give that ass a little grab !

922 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:56:57am

re: #886 opnion

I wonder, are the clearing the field for Bobby Kennedy's son to waltz to the nomination?

Could be, but there's more to this tale:

1. Giannoulias is also going for it.

2. Madigan was apparently "Candidate D" who was negotiating with Blago for the appointment last fall. The deal cut I hear was "I won't go for the position and you guys forget all about my activities last fall. No harm, no foul."

923 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:56:59am

re: #901 Killgore Trout

Re: Brazilian Teen Booty - gate
Has anyone checked to see if the French press is outraged over Sarkozy leering? I seriously doubt there's much outrage outside the US. I find it odd that male sexuality is so offensive to Americans but perfectly acceptable to the Europeans. What has happened to us?


nothing happened to most of us. when I see a great female butt, I will always admire it. but when someone sets themself up as the messiah, or "the one," people will always look for anything to knock them down a peg. and the fact that the nice dumper is attached to a 16 year old kid doesn't help.

924 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:56:59am

re: #919 NJDhockeyfan

How's this one?

LOL!

925 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:57:32am

re: #901 Killgore Trout

Re: Brazilian Teen Booty - gate
Has anyone checked to see if the French press is outraged over Sarkozy leering? I seriously doubt there's much outrage outside the US. I find it odd that male sexuality is so offensive to Americans but perfectly acceptable to the Europeans. What has happened to us?


Kt, your missing the point, BHO ran as the consumate family man.
Even McCain described him that way.
Sarkozy? He ees the french No? Ees what they do, mon ami.

926 lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:57:41am

re: #901 Killgore Trout

We're probably not collapsing as a Nation because Obama got busted takin' a peek.
You really should relax about these things. It's just a funny pic.
The Tail-Look scandal is not a big deal to anyone but the Obama zealots who can't stand the thought that their God is the "butt" of a few jokes.

927 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:58:28am

re: #904 razorbacker

That stuff's $40 for a three pack. And the dog still smells just like he did before the dosing.

I didn't know dawg smelled too! Yeah, it's expensive but it is pretty much a must for Luke because of the ticks along the American. Plus one application lasts at least a couple of months and he swims every day, good stuff.

928 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:58:44am

re: #854 _RememberTonyC

Hi RW ... Hope you are feeling well today. iran will be free in spite of the morons with no moral compasses who are failing to support the good people over there. Sorry for my ignorance, but what do you mean that "blue doesn't really become me?"

Ah,Didn't mean "anything" by blue doesn't become you, especially cause I don't know you!l - just to sort of underscore that it won't happen - don't hold your breath on it.

929 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:58:50am

re: #917 Killgore Trout

Actually if you check out the video Obama was turning around to help the woman behind him step down from the riser. Sarkozy, however, was definitely checking her out.

KT, you may soon be visited by a salt shaker, if you keep twisting yourself into a pretzel.

930 Rancher  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:58:58am

re: #70 zombie

Of course, Holdren wrote these things in the framework of a book he co-authored about what he imagined at the time was an overwhelming crisis facing mankind: runaway overpopulation. He felt extreme measures would be required to combat an extreme problem.

I had to deal with the "population bomb" bull during its heyday in the 70's when it was being taught as fact in high school and college. By the year 2000 we were told the earth's resources would be all used up and there was no way we could possibly feed 5 billion people. However the hype then was nowhere near as bad as the man made global change crap espoused by almost everyone today including, to my dismay, Newt Gingrich, John McCain and many other Republicans. The draconian measures Holdren proposed then for the crisis de jour are of extreme importance today because he will now be driving policy to deal with today’s crisis de Al Gore. Crap and trade was only the begining of what these folks have in mind for us. Great job Zombie.

931 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:59:13am

re: #916 albusteve

does the POTUS need to express his sexuality on the world stage?


Algore certainly thought so. Remember THE KISS?

932 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:59:17am

re: #901 Killgore Trout

Re: Brazilian Teen Booty - gate
Has anyone checked to see if the French press is outraged over Sarkozy leering? I seriously doubt there's much outrage outside the US. I find it odd that male sexuality is so offensive to Americans but perfectly acceptable to the Europeans. What has happened to us?

I know! Why were we backwards Americans so worked up when Michael Jackson was expressing his sexuality with teenagers?
/

933 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:59:55am

re: #916 albusteve

it might have to do with propriety....does the POTUS need to express his sexuality on the world stage?...beyond that it's all BS

I'm more curious about the two who aren't leering. They must be gay./

934 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:00:39am

re: #928 realwest

Ah,Didn't mean "anything" by blue doesn't become you, especially cause I don't know you!l - just to sort of underscore that it won't happen - don't hold your breath on it.


Thanks ... SatTV pointed out my cluelessness ... sadly, you are right about not holding my breath!

935 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:00:44am

re: #931 redstateredneck

Algore certainly thought so. Remember THE KISS?

"Destroyer" is the best album ever!
/

936 johnnyreb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:00:50am

re: #905 eschew_obfuscation

Excellent article on Hansen!

I didn't realize he was in on the global cooling thing. That alone should be enough to discredit his current rantings.

Hansen is a knucklehead and he needs to STFU. He still works for NASA and we are paying his salary but he keeps jetting around the world with his doom and gloom crap. He gets away with it because he would scream that Bush was trying to stifle him.....oh wait, he already tried that one.

937 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:00:51am

re: #926 lincolntf

We're probably not collapsing as a Nation because Obama got busted takin' a peek.
You really should relax about these things. It's just a funny pic.
The Tail-Look scandal is not a big deal to anyone but the Obama zealots who can't stand the thought that their God is the "butt" of a few jokes.

I'd agree. Butt-ogling is common, but it is also frowned upon when the ogler is obvious about it, or when it is done in a very public setting.

938 3 wood  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:01:17am

re: #901 Killgore Trout

I wonder, are the clearing the field for Bobby Kennedy's son to waltz to the nomination?

So who's outraged?

I know I really don't care about this.

939 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:01:17am

re: #915 Kenneth

Check my first post of the day for the video link

I watched it earlier from a link on Drudge, O was innocent but Sarkozy was definitely checking her out. She is very good looking.

940 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:01:45am

re: #929 opnion

KT, you may soon be visited by a salt shaker, if you keep twisting yourself into a pretzel.

I saw the same thing on the video that KT reports: Obama is looking to help a different young lady down the steps. Do you see something different?

I don't understand the pretzel mention. Could you elaborate?

941 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:02:03am

re: #931 redstateredneck

Algore certainly thought so. Remember THE KISS?

no

942 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:02:07am

re: #870 MandyManners

Hansen and Soros.

Follow the money. In the scientific community - it's all about obtaining grant money. There's money in taking the proper side to this issue. No money if you don't.

943 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:02:09am

re: #919 NJDhockeyfan

How's this one?

Don't do that!

944 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:02:15am

re: #901 Killgore Trout

Re: Brazilian Teen Booty - gate
Has anyone checked to see if the French press is outraged over Sarkozy leering? I seriously doubt there's much outrage outside the US. I find it odd that male sexuality is so offensive to Americans but perfectly acceptable to the Europeans. What has happened to us?

Is there video of Bootygate?

Was it just a glance? Or a full up leer?

Much ado about nothing IHMO.

945 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:02:21am

I get butt-ogled, but it's usually by the guys on the garbage truck, so I don't think that's necessarily a good thing.

946 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:02:21am

re: #931 redstateredneck

Algore certainly thought so. Remember THE KISS?

GAH! I suppose he had to do something to prove he wasn't wooden, but good grief!

947 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:02:29am

re: #829 zombie

If you (or anyone) has a link to any page which shows that Holdren disavowed these notions, I need to see it ASAP! Because I will definitely put it in the post. And if he really and truly did disavow these things completely, then I will quash this post and not release it. But I need proof.

BTW, Zombie, good work. You need to spell check a few things in the report, but otherwise good.

What one must remember about Holdren is that he was ready to accept draconian solutions to a preceived crisis. People do not change their stripes even if they may soften their stances. I highly suspect that Holdren might be inclined to accpet draconian solutions to preceived problems in the future.

948 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:02:47am

re: #930 Rancher

I had to deal with the "population bomb" bull during its heyday in the 70's when it was being taught as fact in high school and college. By the year 2000 we were told the earth's resources would be all used up and there was no way we could possibly feed 5 billion people. However the hype then was nowhere near as bad as the man made global change crap espoused by almost everyone today including, to my dismay, Newt Gingrich, John McCain and many other Republicans. The draconian measures Holdren proposed then for the crisis de jour are of extreme importance today because he will now be driving policy to deal with today’s crisis de Al Gore. Crap and trade was only the begining of what these folks have in mind for us. Great job Zombie.

Paging Antonio Gramsci!

949 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:02:55am

re: #390 Walter L. Newton

bury me on the prairie.

950 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:03:20am

re: #945 redstateredneck

I get butt-ogled, but it's usually by the guys on the garbage truck, so I don't think that's necessarily a good thing.

Getting butt-ogled by construction workers is much better.

951 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:03:40am

re: #920 reine.de.tout

Just scrabble.

oh - hey who's the best between you guys anyway, sharm?

952 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:04:08am

re: #941 albusteve

no

Onstate at the convention.

My, what a manly man!

953 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:04:18am

re: #932 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I know! Why were we backwards Americans so worked up when Michael Jackson was expressing his sexuality with teenagers?
/


That's why the world hates us. If we just would have let Michael be Michael.

954 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:04:39am

re: #944 jcm

Is there video of Bootygate?

Was it just a glance? Or a full up leer?

Much ado about nothing IHMO.

same here...Pursegate seems far more important to me

955 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:04:59am

re: #952 redstateredneck

Onstate at the convention.

My, what a manly man!

Revolting.

956 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:05:39am

re: #939 turn

Michelle will let Barry off with a warning. Sarkozy will shrug it off to Carla. They're French, after all.

957 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:05:53am

re: #952 redstateredneck

Onstate at the convention.

My, what a manly man!

Ewwww

958 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:05:55am

re: #955 KenJen

Revolting.

The funny part was Tipper's reaction. She didn't know it was coming.
:D

959 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:06:14am

re: #949 Eowyn2

bury me on the prairie.

Hmmmm, Cremation of Sam McGee just popped into my head for some strange reason.

960 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:06:28am

re: #953 opnion

That's why the world hates us. If we just would have let Michael be Michael.

A caller on Al Sharpton's radio show claimed that Sarah Palin had something to do with MJ's death, which is why she resigned at the same time. Sharpton of course, did nothing to dissuade the nut from his conspiracy-mongering.

961 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:06:30am

re: #927 turn

I didn't know dawg smelled too! Yeah, it's expensive but it is pretty much a must for Luke because of the ticks along the American. Plus one application lasts at least a couple of months and he swims every day, good stuff.

I'm familar with the product. I use it on the Big Boy.

Cause washing a cat (twice) is beyond my ability.

962 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:06:48am

I see the POTUS made a statement on the iranian situation at the end of the G8 summit ... it was pretty weak, but at least it was something:

[Link: blog.newsweek.com...]

I just hope we are doing SOMETHING to help the good people in iran striving to reclaim their country for the islamonazi scumbags.

963 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:07:08am

I saw the video. Hard to say. Have to check out O's peripheral vision.

964 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:07:32am

re: #959 BlueCanuck

And there sat Sam, looking cool and calm, in the heart of the furnace roar;
And he wore a smile you could see a mile, and he said: “Please close that door.
It’s fine in here, but I greatly fear you’ll let in the cold and storm—
Since I left Plumtree, down in Tennessee, it’s the first time I’ve been warm.”

965 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:07:44am

re: #952 redstateredneck

Onstate at the convention.

My, what a manly man!

good grief....where is his tongue?

966 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:08:00am

re: #922 3 wood

Could be, but there's more to this tale:

1. Giannoulias is also going for it.

2. Madigan was apparently "Candidate D" who was negotiating with Blago for the appointment last fall. The deal cut I hear was "I won't go for the position and you guys forget all about my activities last fall. No harm, no foul."

I suspect that Giannoulias will be the approved Machine candidate this time around.

967 SurferDoc  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:08:25am

re: #917 Killgore Trout

Actually if you check out the video Obama was turning around to help the woman behind him step down from the riser. Sarkozy, however, was definitely checking her out.

Of course he was.

968 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:08:45am

re: #958 redstateredneck

The funny part was Tipper's reaction. She didn't know it was coming.
:D

Poor thing. I've never seen this photo before. It really grossed me out. Viewing the video is out of the question.

969 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:09:04am

re: #964 Kenneth

That poem has a special place in my heart. My mom read it to me and my siblings along time ago and it's stuck with me.

970 Rancher  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:09:04am

re: #948 MandyManners

Paging Antonio Gramsci!


Exactly. From Wiki:
Cultural hegemony is the philosophic and sociological concept, originated by the Marxist philosopher Antonio Gramsci, denoting that a culturally-diverse society can be ruled (dominated), by one of its social classes. It is the dominance of one social group over another, i.e. the ruling class over all other classes. The ideas of the ruling class come to be seen as the norm; they are seen as universal ideologies, perceived to benefit everyone whilst only really benefiting the ruling class.

971 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:09:08am
972 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:09:13am

re: #961 razorbacker

I'm familar with the product. I use it on the Big Boy.

Cause washing a cat (twice) is beyond my ability.

Cat washing. That's how I lost my left eye./

973 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:09:30am

re: #966 Honorary Yooper

I suspect that Giannoulias will be the approved Machine candidate this time around.

Vote for Gi ...
Vote for Gu ...
Vote for Gi ... normous? WFT?

Oh, Hell ... VOTE DEMOCRAT

/campaign manager

974 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:10:04am

re: #917 Killgore Trout
Nope, Obama was checking her out! And so what? Geebus, if a guy doesn't look at a good looking woman who passes by, he's either preoccupied with something else or dead and doesn't know it yet.
Just cause a guy is married doesn't mean he can't check out the menu - just so long as he continues to order the same dish!
I swear, there's a LOT I don't like about Obama, but his checking out an attractive woman's ass really doesn't bother me too much. In fact it would bother me if he didn't LOOK.
Course, Michelle's mileage may vary.

975 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:10:04am

re: #962 _RememberTonyC

I see the POTUS made a statement on the iranian situation at the end of the G8 summit ... it was pretty weak, but at least it was something:

[Link: blog.newsweek.com...]

I just hope we are doing SOMETHING to help the good people in iran striving to reclaim their country for the islamonazi scumbags.


PIMF ... from the islamonazi scumbags

976 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:10:18am
977 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:10:30am

Morning, Lizards. Have we discussed Obamalamdingdong's gift to the Pope yet?

surprised it wasnt a boxed set of CD's
The DiVinci Code & Angels and Demons
now that would have been thoughtful

978 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:10:35am

re: #971 Iron Fist

Won't happen. Obama is weak, and the leaders around the world see his weakness. We won't do anything to help Iran, or Georgia, or anywhere else struggling for freedom. Won't happen.

agreed..all his efforts are directed at repressing his own country

979 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:11:56am

re: #971 Iron Fist

Won't happen. Obama is weak, and the leaders around the world see his weakness. We won't do anything to help Iran, or Georgia, or anywhere else struggling for freedom. Won't happen.

maybe in 3.5 years we will ...

980 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:12:09am

re: #974 realwest

Yeah, that wedding ring does cut off circulation.

The blood still pumps hard enough to get up to my eyeballs, though.

981 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:12:20am

re: #977 Beach Lover

Morning, Lizards. Have we discussed Obamalamdingdong's gift to the Pope yet?

surprised it wasnt a boxed set of CD's
The DiVinci Code & Angels and Demons
now that would have been thoughtful

Have not heard. What pray tell was it?

982 Macker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:12:23am

Thanks to all Lizards who actually updinged my #1 Comment. I wasn't expecting that.
Good morning to all!

983 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:12:44am

re: #968 KenJen

Poor thing. I've never seen this photo before. It really grossed me out. Viewing the video is out of the question.

Great Democratic Kisses in History

984 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:12:52am
985 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:12:58am

re: #960 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

A caller on Al Sharpton's radio show claimed that Sarah Palin had something to do with MJ's death, which is why she resigned at the same time. Sharpton of course, did nothing to dissuade the nut from his conspiracy-mongering.

Sharpton still believes that Tawana Brawley lied , when she said that she lied.

986 SurferDoc  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:13:09am

Obama was thinking with his dipstick, Jimmy.

987 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:13:36am

re: #945 redstateredneck

I get butt-ogled, but it's usually by the guys on the garbage truck, so I don't think that's necessarily a good thing.

What...you thinkin they talkin trash about you? ;-)
morning {Red}

988 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:14:09am

re: #987 Beach Lover

What...you thinkin they talkin trash about you? ;-)
morning {Red}

They're lookin' at her junk.

/

989 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:14:11am

re: #977 Beach Lover
{Beachie} ! What up?

990 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:14:20am

re: #971 Iron Fist

Won't happen. Obama is weak, and the leaders around the world see his weakness. We won't do anything to help Iran, or Georgia, or anywhere else struggling for freedom. Won't happen.

Saw 2 seconds of a speech today, said needed to help Rwanda though.

991 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:14:30am

re: #983 redstateredneck

Great Democratic Kisses in History

Oh the horror!

992 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:14:57am

re: #974 realwest

Nope, Obama was checking her out! And so what? Geebus, if a guy doesn't look at a good looking woman who passes by, he's either preoccupied with something else or dead and doesn't know it yet.
Just cause a guy is married doesn't mean he can't check out the menu - just so long as he continues to order the same dish!
I swear, there's a LOT I don't like about Obama, but his checking out an attractive woman's ass really doesn't bother me too much. In fact it would bother me if he didn't LOOK.
Course, Michelle's mileage may vary.

Well said, checking out the menu never hurt anyone.

993 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:15:10am

re: #945 redstateredneck

I get butt-ogled, but it's usually by the guys on the garbage truck, so I don't think that's necessarily a good thing.

Better than not I would say.

994 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:15:22am

re: #990 kansas

Saw 2 seconds of a speech today, said needed to help Rwanda though.

Help me Rwanda yeah
Get me outta Iraq

/Obeach Boys

995 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:15:27am

re: #987 Beach Lover

What...you thinkin they talkin trash about you? ;-)
morning {Red}

I like big butts and I can't deny....

996 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:15:31am
997 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:15:58am

re: #945 redstateredneck

I get butt-ogled, but it's usually by the guys on the garbage truck, so I don't think that's necessarily a good thing.

"Whoo-whee! I'd like to drop sumthin' in that can!"

Well, maybe not. I'm sure y'all gots high class sanitation engineers where you live.

998 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:15:58am

re: #988 OldLineTexan

They're lookin' at her junk.

/

In mah trunk.

999 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:16:04am
1000 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:16:25am

re: #944 jcm

Is there video of Bootygate?


Ah yes. Sorry I thought everybody had seen it already....
Booty-gate video

1001 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:16:32am

re: #984 Iron Fist

Yeah. It seems he'll stay away from gun control (for now), but he'll tax us to death.

if and when he gets on firmer ground there is no doubt in my mind he will attack gun ownership in some way...you just know he wants to, but he does not have the mojo for that right now

1002 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:16:46am

Even the NYT science writer is skeptical of Holdren.

Does being spectacularly wrong about a major issue in your field of expertise hurt your chances of becoming the presidential science advisor? Apparently not, judging by reports from DotEarth and ScienceInsider that Barack Obama will name John P. Holdren as his science advisor on Saturday. [UPDATE: Mr. Obama did indeed pick Dr. Holdren.]

Dr. Holdren, now a physicist at Harvard, was one of the experts in natural resources whom Paul Ehrlich enlisted in his famous bet against the economist Julian Simon during the “energy crisis” of the 1980s. Dr. Simon, who disagreed with environmentalists’ predictions of a new “age of scarcity” of natural resources, offered to bet that any natural resource would be cheaper at any date in the future. Dr. Ehrlich accepted the challenge and asked Dr. Holdren, then the co-director of the graduate program in energy and
resources at the University of California, Berkeley, and another Berkeley professor, John Harte, for help in choosing which resources would become scarce.

SNIP

Consider what happened when a successor to Dr. Simon, Bjorn Lomborg, published “The Skeptical Environmentalist” in 2001. Dr. Holdren joined in an an extraordinary attack on the book in Scientific American — an attack that I thought did far more harm to the magazine’s reputation than to Dr. Lomborg’s. The Economist called the critique “strong on contempt and sneering, but weak on substance”; Dr. Lomborg’s defenders said the critics made more mistakes in 11 pages than they were able to find in his 540-page book. (You can read Dr. Lomborg’s rebuttal here.) In an earlier post, I wrote about Dr. Holdren’s critique of the chapter on energy, in which Dr. Lomborg reviewed the history of energy scares and predicted there would not be dire shortages in the future:

Dr. Holdren began his critique by complaining that Dr. Lomborg was “asking the wrong question” because environmentalists had known for decades that there was no danger of energy being in short supply. This struck me as as odd bit of revisionist history, given both the “energy crisis” rhetoric of the 1970s and Dr. Holdren’s own bet that resources would become more scarce. Then, in the rest of the critique, Dr. Holdren faulted Dr. Lomborg for not paying enough attention to the reasons that there could be future problems with energy supplies.

Dr. Holdren’s resistance to dissenting views was also on display earlier this year in an article asserting that climate skeptics are “dangerous.” (You can read about the response to that article at DotEarth.)

Dr. Holdren is certainly entitled to his views, but what concerns me is his tendency to conflate the science of climate change with prescriptions to cut greenhouse emissions. Even if most climate scientists agree on the anthropogenic causes of global warming, that doesn’t imply that the best way to deal with the problem is through drastic cuts in greenhouse emissions. There are other ways to cope, and there’s no “scientific consensus” on which path looks best.

SNIP

1003 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:16:49am

re: #965 albusteve

good grief....where is his tongue?

gack!
who cares!
blech!

1004 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:16:51am

re: #70 zombie

Zombie, I haven't read the whole thing yet, but on this statement:

• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their wills and given away to other couples to raise;

change "wills" to "will".

1005 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:16:59am

re: #962 _RememberTonyC
Yowza! I'll bet that statement by Obama will have ShortShit quaking in his shoes.
/
AND NO, I'm not advocating we go to war with Iran, just wish the President would use much stronger language condemning the Iranian Government's activities and do it more often.
And impose more stringent sanctions.

1006 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:17:11am

re: #969 BlueCanuck

My dad read lots of Service to us kids. Good stuff.

1007 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:17:49am

re: #979 _RememberTonyC

maybe in 3.5 years we will ...

Why would Obama do anything differently at the beginning of his second term?

1008 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:17:53am

Mysterious Tremors Detected Along San Andreas Fault

LOS ANGELES — Scientists have detected a spike in underground rumblings on a section of California's San Andreas Fault that produced a magnitude-7.8 earthquake in 1857.

What these mysterious vibrations say about future earthquakes is far from certain. But some think the deep tremors suggest underground stress may be building up faster than expected and may indicate an increased risk of a major temblor.

Researchers at the University of California, Berkeley, monitored seismic activity on the fault's central section between July 2001 and February 2009 and recorded more than 2,000 tremors. The tremors lasted mere minutes to nearly half an hour.

1009 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:18:07am

While people are going off about FCBBHO checking out a nice ass and WAB's clutch, are we ignoring his shaking hands with the Butcher of Lockerbie?

1010 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:18:07am

re: #999 Kenneth

Obama's new Presidential Seal

Bad link?

1011 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:18:13am
1012 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:18:34am

re: #1009 MandyManners

While people are going off about FCBBHO checking out a nice ass and WAB's clutch, are we ignoring his shaking hands with the Butcher of Lockerbie?

Well of course. By the way how is Michael Jackson doing?

1013 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:19:09am

re: #1010 kansas

works for me...

1014 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:19:15am

re: #965 albusteve

good grief....where is his forked tongue?

fify

1015 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:19:17am

re: #974 realwest

Nope, Obama was checking her out! And so what? Geebus, if a guy doesn't look at a good looking woman who passes by, he's either preoccupied with something else or dead and doesn't know it yet.
Just cause a guy is married doesn't mean he can't check out the menu - just so long as he continues to order the same dish!
I swear, there's a LOT I don't like about Obama, but his checking out an attractive woman's ass really doesn't bother me too much. In fact it would bother me if he didn't LOOK.
Course, Michelle's mileage may vary.

If a guy doesn't check out a nice booty walking by....

He's gay or dead!

////////// ;-P

I think HRC loaned WAB the ash tray.....

1016 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:19:22am

re: #1012 kansas

Well of course. By the way how is Michael Jackson doing?

His condition has stabilized.

1017 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:19:34am

re: #1011 Iron Fist

We should have helped Rwanda. I don't know what we can do today, but if we can, then, sure, lets help. Ending evil wherever can only help the good.

By all means let's get involved with that mess./

1018 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:19:41am

re: #520 Kenneth

ABC News has a video of the Obama Bootygate (can I coin that?) incident...

When you see the video, it's not clear that Obama was checking out the young woman's derriere ...maybe, maybe not. Sarkozy, on the other hand, is busted!

I think that Sarkozy is looking at 0bama, thinking, "Dude, Michelle is gonna kick your ass!"

1019 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:19:57am

re: #1010 kansas

Bad link?

Worked for me.

1020 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:19:58am

re: #980 razorbacker
ROTFL! Yeah wedding rings (and vows) can have that effect - or at least they should have!

1021 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:20:21am

re: #1012 kansas

Well of course. By the way how is Michael Jackson doing?

Still dead, although his estate will probably be around for years to come.

1022 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:20:28am

re: #1013 Kenneth

works for me...

I get a 404 error permission denied? Do you know what that is? I don't.

1023 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:20:57am

re: #833 johnnyreb

Go to the AAAS web site, the people who funded the study and look around. The link is in the article.

johnnyreb, I looked all over the AAAS site and didn't see anything questionable. What did you see that bothered you?

I thought the survey offered some insight into the views of Young Earth Creationists and anti-vaxxers, for one thing. Is there some reason I should not trust the survey?

1024 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:21:13am

re: #1018 Ward Cleaver

I think that Sarkozy is looking at 0bama, thinking, "Dude, Michelle is gonna kick your ass!"

That's what the still on Drudge looked like to me. And he's thinking "I'm French, I can get away with it." ;->

1025 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:21:13am

re: #990 kansas

Saw 2 seconds of a speech today, said needed to help Rwanda though.

He first called on a reporter who was not there so he said he'd take a question from the foreign press. The question was about sovereign nations vs. the responsibility to be the protector of persecuted peoples. He went all around with his answer. On the one hand....on the other hand...clearly we want to make a firm declaration...

1026 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:21:24am

Ed Morrisey is pushing another paranoid conspiracy theory....
The lock-up-your-opponents bills of 2009?


Would Congress ever pass legislation that would allow the executive to determine at its own discretion whether political opponents had crossed the line into domestic terrorists and build camps in which to keep them? Sounds like something out of 20th-century totalitarian systems or dystopian fiction. Mark Tapscott says it’s not fiction, and he warns readers about an effort by Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-FL) to do just that:
1027 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:21:51am

re: #1018 Ward Cleaver

I think that Sarkozy is looking at 0bama, thinking, "Dude, Michelle is gonna kick your ass!"

"not in the face!"

1028 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:21:52am

re: #974 realwest

Nope, Obama was checking her out! And so what? Geebus, if a guy doesn't look at a good looking woman who passes by, he's either preoccupied with something else or dead and doesn't know it yet.
Just cause a guy is married doesn't mean he can't check out the menu - just so long as he continues to order the same dish!
I swear, there's a LOT I don't like about Obama, but his checking out an attractive woman's ass really doesn't bother me too much. In fact it would bother me if he didn't LOOK.
Course, Michelle's mileage may vary.

I agree with Killgore (and others), he was not checking her out, not in the sense that it was the focus of the moment. He was actually looking back to offer his hand to the black woman behind him. There was NO way he could not have looked in that direction, but that was not the reason he turned that way.

Did he see her back side. Probably. Did he see it the way some males would have seen it. Probably. But that was NOT the reason he turned.

No Sarkozy, he turned to look at her, even tiled his whole body upstage left to get a view AROUND the woman stepping down.

That was a look.

1029 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:22:50am

ok, this has gone on long enough. What the hell does FCBBHO stand for? somehing Barack Hussein Obama but I don't know the first part. Thanks, turn

1030 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:22:56am
1031 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:23:03am

re: #996 Iron Fist

We can hope. It isn't really that long. Obama isn't good, but he doesn't look like he'll be as bad as I was afraid he would be. As bad as many were afraid. Guns are still backordered out the yin-yang, and ammo is bought as soon sa it becomes available.


Interesting that you'd say that. My take is that although I did not vote for Obama, his early moves that seemed to indicate a moderate approach were impressive to me. Things like keeping Gates as Sec of Defense and appearing to move to the center on other issues. But as soon as he took the wheel on Jan 20th, I have seen very consistent movement in dangerous directions. So while i have tried to be fairminded in my judgment of Obama, I am seriously concerned that the worst is yet to come. I see him using our tax money to pay for his reelection through programs that will appeal to the masses. And their only way of saying thanks is to vote for him in 2012. Unless Obama does a lot of "180s" really soon, I will lose faith in his ability to do the right thing.

1032 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:23:09am

re: #930 Rancher

I had to deal with the "population bomb" bull during its heyday in the 70's when it was being taught as fact in high school and college. By the year 2000 we were told the earth's resources would be all used up and there was no way we could possibly feed 5 billion people. However the hype then was nowhere near as bad as the man made global change crap espoused by almost everyone today including, to my dismay, Newt Gingrich, John McCain and many other Republicans. The draconian measures Holdren proposed then for the crisis de jour are of extreme importance today because he will now be driving policy to deal with today’s crisis de Al Gore. Crap and trade was only the begining of what these folks have in mind for us. Great job Zombie.

We need a lizard to open a carbon credit store. I REFUSE to purchase them from Al Gore.

1033 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:23:19am
1034 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:23:36am

re: #999 Kenneth
Hmmm. Your link gave me a 403 Forbidden!
Those damn NORKS!
/

1035 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:23:44am

re: #1007 SFGoth

Why would Obama do anything differently at the beginning of his second term?

"second term." shudder.

1036 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:23:53am

re: #1028 Walter L. Newton

...No Sarkozy, he turned to look at her, even tiled his whole body upstage left to get a view AROUND the woman stepping down...

Typing too fast... self correction...

"Now Sarkozy, he turned to look at her, even tilted..."

1037 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:24:07am

re: #1029 turn

ok, this has gone on long enough. What the hell does FCBBHO stand for? somehing Barack Hussein Obama but I don't know the first part. Thanks, turn

Fuckin' commie bastard?

1038 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:24:21am

re: #1032 Eowyn2

We need a lizard to open a carbon credit store. I REFUSE to purchase them from Al Gore.

Open your own and buy them from yourself.

1039 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:24:28am

re: #1028 Walter L. Newton

I agree with Killgore (and others), he was not checking her out, not in the sense that it was the focus of the moment. He was actually looking back to offer his hand to the black woman behind him. There was NO way he could not have looked in that direction, but that was not the reason he turned that way.

Did he see her back side. Probably. Did he see it the way some males would have seen it. Probably. But that was NOT the reason he turned.

No Sarkozy, he turned to look at her, even tiled his whole body upstage left to get a view AROUND the woman stepping down.

That was a look.

Bubba would'a copped a feel.......

1040 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:24:49am

re: #800 zombie

Most definitely yes -- the same man.

I'm sure that's the first thing you verified, and I apologize for the stupid question. I am just having trouble wrapping my mind around someone with a written history of that thought process being part of government.

Moon. Bat.

1041 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:24:52am

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /archives/whatsyoursign.jpg on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/2.2.11 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 PHP/5.2.9 Server at ace.mu.nu Port 80

1042 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:24:52am

re: #1022 kansas

I get a 404 error permission denied? Do you know what that is? I don't.

Yes, that is the error that comes right after 403./ no clue

1043 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:25:23am

whats going on with the comments? mine are are out of sync and repeated at random!

1044 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:25:34am

Boys and girls, I'll see y'all later.

The wife-woman called. She's got her mouth set for some fried chicken tonight, maybe with a bisquit and gravy and some mashed potatoes and green beans and tomatoes.

I gotta go look up a yard-bird.

1045 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:26:01am

re: #1032 Eowyn2

We need a lizard to open a carbon credit store. I REFUSE to purchase them from Al Gore.

Hmmm, how am I going to justify that? Want to increase your carbon footprint or reduce it?

/I takes dem der carbon credits and makes a big fire out back.....

1046 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:26:08am

re: #1031 _RememberTonyC

Interesting that you'd say that. My take is that although I did not vote for Obama, his early moves that seemed to indicate a moderate approach were impressive to me. Things like keeping Gates as Sec of Defense and appearing to move to the center on other issues. But as soon as he took the wheel on Jan 20th, I have seen very consistent movement in dangerous directions. So while i have tried to be fairminded in my judgment of Obama, I am seriously concerned that the worst is yet to come. I see him using our tax money to pay for his reelection through programs that will appeal to the masses. And their only way of saying thanks is to vote for him in 2012. Unless Obama does a lot of "180s" really soon, I will lose faith in his ability to do the right thing.

This morning on Fox & Friends they had a panel of three people who had voted for Obama but who were becoming disillusioned by what he's done so far. The bloom is off the rose.

1047 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:26:09am
1048 Optimizer  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:26:13am
That's 'Hedley', not 'Hedy'!

— Hedley Lamarr, Blazing Saddles

(Seemed like it needed to be said). For any of you who are unaware of the actress, Hedy Lamarr, she was a pretty astounding woman - worth knowing a little about. As her wikipedia page notes, she "co-invented an early form of spread spectrum communications technology" during WWII. And I heard that long before Wikipedia came into existence, so that's for-real.. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

1049 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:26:25am

re: #1005 realwest

Yowza! I'll bet that statement by Obama will have ShortShit quaking in his shoes.
/
AND NO, I'm not advocating we go to war with Iran, just wish the President would use much stronger language condemning the Iranian Government's activities and do it more often.
And impose more stringent sanctions.


agree that we should not go to war with iran ... at least not yet. but we need to do everything possible behind the scenes to give the reformers some help and comfort. and if the POTUS would do what you suggested, that would be a heckuva start.

1050 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:26:43am

Update on extremist bomb plots in the UK....
Racists' Bomb Threat To Immigrants

The chilling threat follows recent race-hate violence which led to more than 100 Romanians fleeing their homes in Belfast.

A letter from the youth wing of the Ulster Defence Association (UDA) was sent to the Belfast Islamic Centre, the Polish Association and Indian Community Centre.

It warned: "No sympathy for foreigners, get out of our Queen's country before our bonfire night (July 11) and parade day (July 12).

"Other than that your building will be blown up. Keep Northern Ireland white. Northern Ireland is only for white British."

The letter was marked Ulster Young Militants and bore the logo of far-right group Combat 18.

1051 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:26:51am
1052 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:27:42am

re: #1007 SFGoth

Why would Obama do anything differently at the beginning of his second term?


i said "maybe." it only applies if there is NO second term.

1053 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:27:47am

re: #1024 SFGoth

That's what the still on Drudge looked like to me. And he's thinking "I'm French, I can get away with it." ;->

"Vive la Franwce!"

1054 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:28:02am

re: #1030 Iron Fist

I agree. It is going to be hard, though, after the way things have gone lately. I heard that DPMS sold over 40,000 rifles this spring, and they are backordered for a year. That isn't counting the millions of rounds of ammo that are now squirilled away. It hasn't been a few crazies, it has been a significant chunk of the American populace that has been buying weapons and ammo.

That is a different thing to try to attack. It isn't going to be a few crazies in a compound in waco anymore.

makes me wonder how many legislators are gun owners or employ gun owners for their own protection...might be fun to know who they are..anyway Heller is a formidable bump in the road for grabbers...so look for more ridiculous restrictions...you knew that tho

1055 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:28:06am

re: #1037 redstateredneck

Fuckin' commie bastard?

oh, that works. Thanks red.

1056 zombie  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:28:21am

re: #1004 Ward Cleaver

Zombie, I haven't read the whole thing yet, but on this statement:

change "wills" to "will".

Already fixed! Thanks!

1057 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:28:45am

Krauthammer hammers Obama...

Obama says that his START will be a great boon, setting an example to enable us to better pressure North Korea and Iran to give up their nuclear programs. That a man of Obama's intelligence can believe such nonsense is beyond comprehension. There is not a shred of evidence that cuts by the great powers -- the INF treaty, START I, the Treaty of Moscow (2002) -- induced the curtailment of anyone's programs. Moammar Gaddafi gave up his nukes the week we pulled Saddam Hussein out of his spider hole. No treaty involved. The very notion that Kim Jong Il or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will suddenly abjure nukes because of yet another U.S.-Russian treaty is comical.

RTWT!

1058 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:28:52am

Huge Fire Breaks Out In Central London

Twelve fire engines and 60 firefighters are attending the fire, which broke out in a building in Dean Street at around 14:00.

Part of the basement of the four storey building is alight. The cause of the fire is not known at this stage.

A spokesman for London Fire Brigade says 75% of the building has been destroyed.

Two ambulances have been seen inside the cordon, but it's not known how many people are injured.

1059 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:29:09am

re: #1048 Optimizer

— Hedley Lamarr, Blazing Saddles

(Seemed like it needed to be said). For any of you who are unaware of the actress, Hedy Lamarr, she was a pretty astounding woman - worth knowing a little about. As her wikipedia page notes, she "co-invented an early form of spread spectrum communications technology" during WWII. And I heard that long before Wikipedia came into existence, so that's for-real.. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Oh yeah, that was one sexy package from toes to brain.

1060 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:29:59am
1061 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:30:08am

re: #1051 Iron Fist

hmmmm, ever read "Shake Hands With the Devil"? Apparently they are releasing a movie based on the story.

1062 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:30:13am
1063 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:30:33am

re: #1051 Iron Fist

Marines with machineguns against skinny kids with machetes. I'll bet on the Marines. We could have stopped the genocide on the cheap, but Clinton preferred to ignore it. Only about a million people died because of that.

It's all done and over, but we could have stopped it.

So did Kofi.

1064 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:30:35am

re: #1043 Beach Lover

whats going on with the comments? mine are are out of sync and repeated at random!

Charles is messing with your head./ Really? That's weird.

1065 SurferDoc  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:30:49am

The issue really isn't how many nanoseconds The One's eyes rested on the girl's ass, it is more that we all know if that was a picture of George Bush the screams would be heard in distant galaxies.

1066 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:30:59am

a picture is worth a thousand words dept:

[Link: timesofindia.indiatimes.com...]

1067 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:31:22am

re: #1058 Killgore Trout

Huge Fire Breaks Out In Central London

Will BNP blame immigrants?

1068 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:31:50am

re: #1053 Ward Cleaver

"Vive la Franwce!"

Hi Ward. I'm getting the Benz this weekend. I'm going to try to charge the a/c myself. A friend did his BMW. He went to the store and bought freon in a can. Have you ever heard of this . Am I in danger.

1069 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:32:02am

re: #1037 redstateredneck
Ah, Mandy coined it; it stands for Fucking Commie Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama.

1070 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:32:05am

Oh, a wed wose!

1071 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:32:26am

re: #1041 kansas

just got to Ace of spades then and scroll down, you'll find an amusing photoshop

1072 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:32:29am

re: #1065 SurferDoc

The beach volleyball ref:

Image: bush-volleyball-1-360.jpg

1073 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:32:39am

re: #1051 Iron Fist

Marines with machineguns against skinny kids with machetes. I'll bet on the Marines. We could have stopped the genocide on the cheap, but Clinton preferred to ignore it. Only about a million people died because of that.

That's not even taking into account the fact that the flood of refugees from Rwanda into Congo-Zaire helped trigger the Congolese War, aka The African World War, in which at least 5 million people have been killed.

1074 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:32:47am

re: #1069 realwest

Ah, Mandy coined it; it stands for Fucking Commie Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama.

I love the Mandyisms. FCBBHO & the WAB.

1075 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:32:58am
1076 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:33:04am

re: #1069 realwest

Ah, Mandy coined it; it stands for Fucking Commie Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama.

And, WAB.

1077 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:33:13am

re: #1067 MandyManners

Heh, probably.

1078 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:33:16am

re: #1067 MandyManners

Will BNP blame immigrants?

Or the Joos.

1079 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:33:24am

Another (R) with wick troubles.

John Ensign scandal: Senator's mistress, family were paid $96,000 by his parents

Nevada Sen. John Ensign's wealthy parents paid his mistress and her family $96,000, the conservative lawmaker revealed Thursday, an admission that caused even allies to question his continued effectiveness as a U.S. senator.

The "gifts" to Cynthia Hampton; her husband, Doug; and two of their children in April of last year came around the time the Hamptons stopped working for Ensign, and were made "out of concern for the well-being of longtime family friends during a difficult time," said Ensign's attorney.

The payments, made in $12,000 increments, were "consistent with a pattern of generosity" by Ensign's parents, the statement said. Ensign's father, Michael, is a former casino executive who helped bankroll his son's political rise.

Maybe it's time to bring back eunuchs for public service.

1080 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:33:25am

re: #1048 Optimizer

Interesting, I didn't know that. She was a beauty.

1081 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:33:51am

re: #1074 redstateredneck

I love the Mandyisms. FCBBHO & the WAB.

GMTA!

1082 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:33:59am

re: #1043 Beach Lover

whats going on with the comments? mine are are out of sync and repeated at random!

It's those damn NORKS I tells ya! LOL!
Good morning {BeachLover} how are ya today (other than discombobulated by the comments, I mean)?

1083 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:34:16am

re: #1075 Walter L. Newton

Will Killgore blame Ron Paul?
/

HA!

1084 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:34:30am

re: #1048 Optimizer

Yes, the US Navy used her idea to make radio controlled torpedoes that the Japanese couldn't jam. Later on, her idea found application in cell-phones. That's one hell of a patent!

1085 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:35:00am

re: #1068 KenJen

If you match the refrigerant to the one used in your system, no. Otherwise, you may have problems with it not working well. Freon, per se, is no longer available.

1086 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:35:28am

re: #1066 Shr_Nfr

a picture is worth a thousand words dept:

[Link: timesofindia.indiatimes.com...]

Who's the aging rocker on the right? Looks vaguely familiar, like he fronted some glam band in the 70's. Can't be Mott the Hoople as he doesn't look like Ian Hunter.

1087 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:35:55am

re: #1074 redstateredneck

I love the Mandyisms. FCBBHO & the WAB.

ok. WAB? sorry red

1088 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:35:56am

Why is UNICEF having a bunch of children having a really expensive mock whatever?
Either:

1. They are the kids of rich people, which is a really depressing reminder that most countries will be run by the children of the people currently in power, and so on ad nauseum. Thus is the history of mankind, although the US is supposed to be different, providing us with Abraham Lincolns, and George Washington Carvers.

2. They are "smart" kids brought in at UNICEF expense. To what end? If they are going to pay to have young kids brought in for something, why not bring in some child musical prodigies? Leadership takes life experience and wisdom, something most kids are manifestly lacking, although through no fault of their own. Musical talent usually shows up very young, and at least the youth would entertain everyone.

It seems a waste of money to me, but I think that is the definition of the UN.

1089 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:36:12am

re: #1086 SFGoth

It must be Gene Simmonds.

1090 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:36:16am

re: #1077 Killgore Trout

Heh, probably.

It's not a government building but, the Reichstag was the first thing that flitted through my brain.

1091 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:36:19am
1092 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:36:30am

re: #1025 redstateredneck

He first called on a reporter who was not there so he said he'd take a question from the foreign press. The question was about sovereign nations vs. the responsibility to be the protector of persecuted peoples. He went all around with his answer. On the one hand....on the other hand...clearly we want to make a firm declaration...

How do you manage to call on a reporter who is not there?
Shouldn't you be LOOKING at the press member when you call on them?

1093 lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:36:33am

re: #1057 Kenneth

It's obvious (at least to me) that Obama knows for a fact that he will fail to curtail either NK or Iran's nuclear weapons programs with his half-assed weasel words and faux-pacts.
Now, will it really be a failure to Obama? I don't think so. Not only does he want to spread the wealth, he wants to spread the power. What better way to "level the playing field" against mean old Westerners than to enable third world regimes to create weapons with which they could destroy Western cities?
It's The Moron Doctrine, and we're stuck with it for a while.

1094 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:36:45am

re: #1068 KenJen

Hi Ward. I'm getting the Benz this weekend. I'm going to try to charge the a/c myself. A friend did his BMW. He went to the store and bought freon in a can. Have you ever heard of this . Am I in danger.

Hah! Yard-bird in the freezer. I don't have to go anywheres.

Make sure that you don't try to mix F-12 with the newer concoctions. They don't mix. You aren't going to find F-12 anywhere, anyways, that you can afford.

If you convert to (I think) 134, you'll need a new condenser and plumbing.

It's doable. I'd buy some beer and invite a friendly mechanic, were I you.

1095 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:36:47am

re: #1078 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Or the Joos.

He might get more mileage out of blaiming Muslims.

1096 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:37:15am

re: #1089 Kenneth

It must be Gene Simmonds.

After plastic surgery maybe. Gene Simmons (no d) is one HELLA ugly dude. I mean, really, really -- there's a reason they wore make up, and it wasn't theatrics or fetish.

1097 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:37:16am

re: #1057 Kenneth
Hey Kenneth - great comment by Krauthammer as usual - thanks for the comment/link!

1098 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:37:44am
1099 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:37:59am

It seems that Obama is far more comfortable in these surroundings...

1100 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:38:20am

re: #1095 MandyManners

He might get more mileage out of blaiming Muslims.

Yeah, but blaming Joos is like having a U.S. savings bond. No matter how bad things get, it's a safe investment.

1101 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:38:25am

re: #1092 Eowyn2

How do you manage to call on a reporter who is not there?
Shouldn't you be LOOKING at the press member when you call on them?


It happened twice, the plants did not show, so Barry was on his own & it was not pretty.

1102 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:38:34am

re: #1084 Kenneth

Yes, the US Navy used her idea to make radio controlled torpedoes that the Japanese couldn't jam. Later on, her idea found application in cell-phones. That's one hell of a patent!

Oh, puhshaw! How many African orphans did she adopt? Hmmm? How many?

I thought not.

1103 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:38:40am

re: #1096 SFGoth

After plastic surgery maybe. Gene Simmons (no d) is one HELLA ugly dude. I mean, really, really -- there's a reason they wore make up, and it wasn't theatrics or fetish.

He's been sporting the same "Cornelius from Planet of The Apes" haircut since I don't know when.

1104 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:38:40am

re: #1061 BlueCanuck

hmmmm, ever read "Shake Hands With the Devil"? Apparently they are releasing a movie based on the story.

Here's the DVD of the Canadian film version, from Amazon.ca.

1105 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:38:43am

re: #1089 Kenneth

It must be Gene Simmonds.

He might kick your butt for that.

1106 jamgarr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:39:24am

re: #1069 realwest

Hey real, it's DaVinci on 8-12.

/code-talk off

1107 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:39:34am

re: #1096 SFGoth

After plastic surgery maybe. Gene Simmons (no d) is one HELLA ugly dude. I mean, really, really -- there's a reason they wore make up, and it wasn't theatrics or fetish.

didn't stop one of the most beautiful women in the wqorld from having 2 kids by him!

1108 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:39:36am

all of this talk about butts got me to thinking ..... i haven't seen Kim Kardashian's lately .... here you go fellas .... and Mr President, if you're watching, I'm sure you'll wanna check this out!

[Link: blog.vh1.com...]

1109 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:39:44am
1110 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:39:46am

re: #1066 Shr_Nfr
LOL! I actually can feel Obama's pain! LOL!
And I STILL WANT TO KNOW: If Ghaddafi runs Libya, how come he's STILL just a colonel?
/

1111 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:39:46am

re: #1100 SFGoth

Yeah, but blaming Joos is like having a U.S. savings bond. No matter how bad things get, it's a safe investment.

*groan*

1112 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:39:49am

re: #1038 kansas

Open your own and buy them from yourself.

but would you buy used carbon credits from me?

1113 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:40:08am

re: #1087 turn

ok. WAB? sorry red

Whiny ass bitch.

1114 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:40:53am
1115 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:40:57am

re: #1109 Iron Fist

Absolutely. THe UN didn't give a rat's ass about the massacre in Rwanda. THat is one big black mark against the UN.

Don't forget all those rapes by the blue helmets.

1116 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:41:11am

re: #784 Walter L. Newton

Morning, how's things in the Zionist Mall? (Product placement pitch from Walter to you).

"Waht is the Zionist Mall?" "Well, since you asked!"

Super! Thanks for asking! :)

Sale on Hebrew Calendars for next year

1117 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:41:16am

re: #1112 Eowyn2

but would you buy used pre-owned carbon credits from me?

fixed it myself

1118 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:41:18am

re: #1108 _RememberTonyC

all of this talk about butts got me to thinking ..... i haven't seen Kim Kardashian's lately .... here you go fellas .... and Mr President, if you're watching, I'm sure you'll wanna check this out!

[Link: blog.vh1.com...]

Hell yea!

1119 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:41:27am

Canadian jailed for supporting al-Qaeda

A Canadian who left Toronto in 2000 to join Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda was sentenced to 7½ years imprisonment yesterday after admitting he had trained with and helped finance the terrorist group.

Although his lawyers described Mohamed Abdullah Warsame as simply "a naive, near-sighted and overweight idealist" who became deeply religious while living in Toronto and travelled to Afghanistan in search of an "Islamic utopia," prosecutors in Minneapolis argued the 35-year-old Somali, who came to Canada as a refugee in 1989, was devoted to the al-Qaeda cause.

Stupid, fat and jihadi is no way to go through life.

1120 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:41:51am
1121 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:42:06am

re: #1092 Eowyn2

How do you manage to call on a reporter who is not there?
Shouldn't you be LOOKING at the press member when you call on them?

Silly, you. You must be thinking of a real press conference. Obama only does scripted infomercials.

1122 Dianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:42:13am

re: #1090 MandyManners

It's not a government building but, the Reichstag was the first thing that flitted through my brain.

Given that the fire's on Dean Street, that puts it in the East End, in or near Whitechapel/Camden Town. It's a poor area, even now. Heaven knows how poor the maintenance has been.

1123 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:42:21am

re: #1109 Iron Fist

Absolutely. THe UN didn't give a rat's ass about the massacre in Rwanda. THat is one big black mark against the UN.

The UN has so many black marks against it they should change their offical colour on their flag from baby blue to black.

1124 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:42:47am

re: #1084 Kenneth

Yes, the US Navy used her idea to make radio controlled torpedoes that the Japanese couldn't jam. Later on, her idea found application in cell-phones. That's one hell of a patent!

Did you know that Tesla worked on that many years before? Yes, he is credited as the inventor of radio, not Marconi. He was brilliant yet suffered from schizophrenia. His autobiography is on the internet, I"ll have to read it again.

1125 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:42:56am

re: #1123 BlueCanuck

The UN has so many black marks against it they should change their offical colour on their flag from baby blue to black.

With a skull and crossbones.

1126 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:43:03am
1127 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:43:06am

re: #1110 realwest

LOL! I actually can feel Obama's pain! LOL!
And I STILL WANT TO KNOW: If Ghaddafi runs Libya, how come he's STILL just a colonel?
/

He's humble.

///

1128 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:43:17am

re: #1118 VegasRick

Hell yea!


wars have been fought over boo-tay like that!

1129 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:43:35am

re: #1123 BlueCanuck

The UN has so many black marks against it they should change their offical colour on their flag from baby blue to black.

RACIST!

1130 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:44:04am

re: #1114 buzzsawmonkey


Once "everyone"--well, everyone with the proper credentials--holds such views, a countervailing view becomes illegitimate on its face.


As shown in the links I've posted this morning, Holdren is vicious against critics. I believe the Front Page article discusses how CEO's of some oil companies might be considered guilty of crimes against humanity.

1131 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:44:05am

re: #1092 Eowyn2

How do you manage to call on a reporter who is not there?
Shouldn't you be LOOKING at the press member when you call on them?


Well if you're focused on the teleprompter it's easy to not see who's there and who isn't!

1132 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:44:08am

re: #1094 razorbacker

Hah! Yard-bird in the freezer. I don't have to go anywheres.

Make sure that you don't try to mix F-12 with the newer concoctions. They don't mix. You aren't going to find F-12 anywhere, anyways, that you can afford.

If you convert to (I think) 134, you'll need a new condenser and plumbing.

It's doable. I'd buy some beer and invite a friendly mechanic, were I you.

I'm hoping the car store will know what I need. I have no idea what I'm doing. I don't have to get under the car do I? I was envisioning buying a can of coolant, pouring it in the right hole and presto. I have a/c.

1133 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:44:12am

re: #1126 Iron Fist

Absolutely. You know what I think about Blue Helmets, but Charles prefers I not state it.

I used to where one, and I agree with you whole heartedly.

1134 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:44:20am

re: #1068 KenJen

Hi Ward. I'm getting the Benz this weekend. I'm going to try to charge the a/c myself. A friend did his BMW. He went to the store and bought freon in a can. Have you ever heard of this . Am I in danger.

What year is it again? IIRC, it's a 1997, right? Then it's R-134a. If the system has been opened, then the dryer needs to be replaced (the dessicant bag in them absorbs and traps moisture in the system), and a vacuum pulled on the system to remove all the air and moisture, then the right amount of oil added (different manufacturers use different types of PAG or ester oil), and the system recharged. There's probably no danger, only that you'll waste your money and not have a working system at the end.

Where is the system leaking? There should be traces of refrigerant oil at any leak site, and if there's dye in the system, there'll be a dye stain, sometimes only detectable with a UV light.

1135 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:44:33am
1136 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:45:03am

re: #1122 Dianna

Given that the fire's on Dean Street, that puts it in the East End, in or near Whitechapel/Camden Town. It's a poor area, even now. Heaven knows how poor the maintenance has been.

Probably pretty dry timber.

1137 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:45:04am

re: #1092 Eowyn2

How do you manage to call on a reporter who is not there?
Shouldn't you be LOOKING at the press member when you call on them?

Let's remember a comment made here during the campaign, like, "he's an empty suit."

Correct then. Still correct. What a shift the mind has to make. The office of president is held by an empty suit. Hard to grasp and believe, but we see it daily.

Our expectations continue for the office. The holder of the office continues to disappoint those expectations.

1138 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:45:34am
1139 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:45:35am

Apropos of nothing;

While looking at Representative Mike Ross' info yesterday, I see that he has an A+ rating from the National Rifle Association.

Not many Democrats have that, I'd wager.

1140 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:45:35am

re: #1126 Iron Fist

Absolutely. You know what I think about Blue Helmets, but Charles prefers I not state it.

Oh, I can guess!

1141 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:45:44am
1142 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:46:23am

I put together all the ingredients for my challah--mixed flour, sugar, salt and yeast in a big mixer bowl. Then I reached up to get the measuring cup out of the cabinet--knocked over a juice glass which bounced off the mixer and shattered into a zillion pieces RIGHT IN THE BOWL OF FLOUR.

I had to dump out the whole bowl of flour, scrub down the countertop and everything on it, and sweep the floor because I was wearing flip flops.

Ground glass in your challah can really mess up your whole day.

1143 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:46:26am
1144 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:47:09am

re: #1134 Ward Cleaver

What year is it again? IIRC, it's a 1997, right? Then it's R-134a. If the system has been opened, then the dryer needs to be replaced (the dessicant bag in them absorbs and traps moisture in the system), and a vacuum pulled on the system to remove all the air and moisture, then the right amount of oil added (different manufacturers use different types of PAG or ester oil), and the system recharged. There's probably no danger, only that you'll waste your money and not have a working system at the end.

Where is the system leaking? There should be traces of refrigerant oil at any leak site, and if there's dye in the system, there'll be a dye stain, sometimes only detectable with a UV light.

Yes 1997. This sounds like too much for little ole me. I may have to leave it to the professionals.

1145 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:47:31am

re: #1141 buzzsawmonkey

Approx. where upthread are they? I just got here.

Within the past hour. I'll e-mail them to you.

1146 Dianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:47:39am

re: #1136 MandyManners

Probably pretty dry timber.

Yeah, plus bad wiring and heaven knows what stored wherever, I'm betting on simple, dreadful tragedy.

1147 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:47:43am

re: #1106 jamgarr

Hey real, it's DaVinci on 8-12.

/code-talk off


Hey my friend - thoughts and prayers going out for you. I'm sure everything will work out!
E-mail me if you'd like to!

1148 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:48:10am

re: #1132 KenJen

I'm hoping the car store will know what I need. I have no idea what I'm doing. I don't have to get under the car do I? I was envisioning buying a can of coolant, pouring it in the right hole and presto. I have a/c.

No, you don't have to get under it. When you buy the can, spring for the kit that has the tubing and stuff to install it. It only costs a couple of bucks more. You locate the proper valve, hook up the tubing, start the AC and let nature take its course.

Spend a couple of minutes thumbing through the manuals that the parts house has on those racks next to the checkout.

1149 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:48:22am

re: #1121 redstateredneck

Silly, you. You must be thinking of a real press conference. Obama only does scripted infomercials.

Someone is going to be spanked for not planning his/her time better. How dare they get stuck in traffic.

1150 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:48:29am
1151 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:48:57am

re: #1108 _RememberTonyC Why thank you for that very nice comment and link!

1152 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:49:01am

re: #1097 realwest

Krauthammer is one of the few pundits writing solid intelligent criticism of Obama these days. The rest of the media is either praising every fart to issue for from the One, or gone off the deep end into idiotic raving ala Glenn Beck.

1153 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:49:58am

It's official...

We (collectively) have completely lost our minds.

Iowa State Fair to let public vote on Michael Jackson butter sculpture

1154 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:50:10am

More spelling errors plague Obama releases

Misspellings continued to plague the Obama administration on Thursday, after two more releases containing errors were sent to reporters in the last 24 hours.

After misspelling the president's name as "Barak Obama" yesterday on an official document sent to reporters, the General Services Administration messed up another message when announcing it had awarded an $18 million contract to redesign the website keeping track of spent stimulus dollars.

"Recvoery.gov Version 2.0 $18 Million Contract Awarded," the release's subject line read. ("Recovery" was spelled correctly in the body of the email.)

The first comment:

Maybe the President should appoint a spelling Czar

Heh.

1155 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:50:12am

re: #1152 Kenneth

Just because they're paranoid does not mean that someone is not out to get them.

1156 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:50:47am

re: #1143 Iron Fist

Part of the Canadian Armed Forces Tradition. Our country was intrumental in creating the UN Peacekeepers, and our military has served in almost every single operation.

1157 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:51:53am

re: #1001 albusteve

if and when he gets on firmer ground there is no doubt in my mind he will attack gun ownership in some way...you just know he wants to, but he does not have the mojo for that right now

Ain't a Democrat that would come near anything to do with gun control at the present. In the future when the economy starts to get back up to speed, look for it then.

1158 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:52:08am

re: #1142 Alouette

I put together all the ingredients for my challah--mixed flour, sugar, salt and yeast in a big mixer bowl. Then I reached up to get the measuring cup out of the cabinet--knocked over a juice glass which bounced off the mixer and shattered into a zillion pieces RIGHT IN THE BOWL OF FLOUR.

I had to dump out the whole bowl of flour, scrub down the countertop and everything on it, and sweep the floor because I was wearing flip flops.

Ground glass in your challah can really mess up your whole day.

Aw, nutz!

((((((Alouette))))))

1159 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:52:17am

re: #1130 MandyManners
Hey Mandy - didn't you see the folks who were providing zombie with evidence that he's a changed man?
No, neither did I.

1160 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:52:26am

re: #1153 jcm

It's official...

We (collectively) have completely lost our minds.

Iowa State Fair to let public vote on Michael Jackson butter sculpture


Gives a new meaning to "butterface".

1161 Rancher  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:52:28am

We really can't judge how badly Obama and the Democrat congress has hurt the US until the bill comes due for the porkulus bill. I am really afraid, I foresee Glen Beck like apocalyptic consequences. Remember we have only spent a small portion of the stimulus so far, $100 billion of the $787 billion, much of which was transferred to state agencies which are still sitting on it. As to Obama's support, or lack of, Democracy NRO had a great summation yesterday: Spread Freedom? Not So Much

So ideologues — i.e. millions of Americans who disagree with his policies on principle — belong in a list along with bigots and dim bulbs. At home, this attitude has allowed him to dismiss opponents of socialized medicine and the government takeover of various industries as “ideologues,” and critics of trillions in debt-fueled spending as small-minded cranks.

Joshua Muravchik, a scholar at Johns Hopkins University and a leading advocate of democracy promotion around the globe, demonstrates in the current issue of Commentary that Obama has a similar attitude toward those who say America should advance the cause of liberty and democracy worldwide. Again and again, the administration has made it clear that spreading freedom is so much ideological foolishness.

1162 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:52:43am

re: #1152 Kenneth

Krauthammer is one of the few pundits writing solid intelligent criticism of Obama these days. The rest of the media is either praising every fart to issue for from the One, or gone off the deep end into idiotic raving ala Glenn Beck.

VDH is not particularly nice with BO...the other of my must read duo

1163 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:53:05am

re: #1146 Dianna

Yeah, plus bad wiring and heaven knows what stored wherever, I'm betting on simple, dreadful tragedy.

I've had Griffin on my mind since that video Charles posted yesterday. Vile man.

1164 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:53:09am

Church sign blasts Islam

A Florida church is under fire for posting a sign that reads "Islam is of the devil." WCJB reports.

Imagine if a mosque put out this sign about Jews.

1165 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:53:43am

re: #1150 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks!

I just forwarded about four or five articles to you.

1166 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:54:20am

re: #1159 realwest

Hey Mandy - didn't you see the folks who were providing zombie with evidence that he's a changed man?
No, neither did I.

What evidence?

1167 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:55:00am

re: #1151 realwest

Why thank you for that very nice comment and link!


My pleasure!

1168 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:55:12am

re: #1154 NJDhockeyfan

More spelling errors plague Obama releases

Heh.

It's Bush's fault, the WH computers are still set to "Texas" as the language.

1169 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:55:57am

re: #1164 Killgore Trout

Church sign blasts Islam


Imagine if a mosque put out this sign about Jews.

Yep, there would be random violins all over Miami!
/

1170 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:55:59am

re: #1124 turn

I don't think he had schizophrenia. That illness is extremely debilitating and he could not have done the incredibly complex work if he had schizophrenia. That diagnosis was overused in the past, and if he were to be diagnosed today, a psychiatrist would likely make another diagnosis. Certainly he had OCD, he shied away from people and he experienced some transitory psychosis. A brilliant man.

1171 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:56:05am

re: #1156 BlueCanuck

Part of the Canadian Armed Forces Tradition. Our country was intrumental in creating the UN Peacekeepers, and our military has served in almost every single operation.

One of the main reasons that the US maintains 2 forts (Fts Lewis and Drum) near the Canadian border. To protect us from the Canadian menace........
/ :)

1172 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:56:08am

re: #1119 Kenneth

Canadian jailed for supporting al-Qaeda

Stupid, fat and jihadi is no way to go through life, son.

FTFY.

1173 J.S.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:56:40am

re: #1119 Kenneth

Warsame, the Jihadi, will probably be back in Canada in approximately 6 months, though...(wonder if his passport will be revoked).

1174 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:56:44am

re: #1152 Kenneth

Krauthammer is one of the few pundits writing solid intelligent criticism of Obama these days. The rest of the media is either praising every fart to issue for from the One, or gone off the deep end into idiotic raving ala Glenn Beck.


Except when they all take time outs to praise Michael Jackson as the "greatest entertainer of all time!". Effin' Twits.

1175 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:56:59am

re: #1168 jcm

It's Bush's fault, the WH computers are still set to "Texas" as the language.

They put "Dayum!" in formal correspondence.

1176 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:57:11am

re: #1162 albusteve

OF course. VDH is wise, and has the historical perspective. I love his stuff.

1177 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:57:31am

re: #1161 Rancher

Riddle me this, Batman. Remember that housing crisis? It was in the news a couple of months ago. Now, not so much. Most all of those folks that were defaulting were bad credit risks to start with, anyway.

But consider. What do you think is going to happen when all these good credit risks lose their jobs? Do you think that they may start defaulting, too? What do you think those defaults will do to home prices? Go up, or down? What do you think will happen when millions and millions of folks with formerly good credit realize that they're way upside down on their homes?

Buckle up boys, I forsee a bumpy ride.

1178 Dianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:57:46am

re: #1163 MandyManners

I've had Griffin on my mind since that video Charles posted yesterday. Vile man.

I couldn't possibly agree more.

1179 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:58:24am

re: #1164 Killgore Trout

Church sign blasts Islam

Imagine if a mosque put out this sign about Jews.

Crickets.

1180 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:58:36am

re: #1171 LGoPs

The Fort Drum stories I could tell you as told to me by my fellow compatriots up here in the frozen north.

/we weren't too worried about your regular army.
//dude, Burger King being sold in the field?

1181 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:58:48am

re: #1178 Dianna

I couldn't possibly agree more.

Merv Griffin?

/what?

1182 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:58:53am

re: #1170 Kenneth

I"m not familiar with OCD, but yes he was not severely debilitated.

1183 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:59:08am

re: #1153 jcm
Oh for crying out loud. The MSM and at least the people running the Iowa State Fair are absolute, unadulterated fools.
I'm being polite here, too!

1184 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:00:23am

re: #1177 razorbacker

Riddle me this, Batman. Remember that housing crisis? It was in the news a couple of months ago. Now, not so much. Most all of those folks that were defaulting were bad credit risks to start with, anyway.

But consider. What do you think is going to happen when all these good credit risks lose their jobs? Do you think that they may start defaulting, too? What do you think those defaults will do to home prices? Go up, or down? What do you think will happen when millions and millions of folks with formerly good credit realize that they're way upside down on their homes?

Buckle up boys, I forsee a bumpy ride.

The next wave of defaults is projected to be on the second mortgages. A whole heck of a bunch of people who took out 2nd notes or lines of credit are up against the payment wall next. A funny thing may happen though, the banks may just suck it up and not try and take their houses because the banks are already overwhelmed with unsellable houses right now.

1185 lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:00:34am

re: #1180 BlueCanuck

The 10th Mountain is one of the toughest/highly trained units in the Reg. Army. I believe they are based at Drum.

1186 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:00:35am

re: #1144 KenJen

Yes 1997. This sounds like too much for little ole me. I may have to leave it to the professionals.

Unless you've done much A/C work, that's what I'd do. Look around for a shop that specializes in A/C work, and of course check them out with the BBB first.

1187 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:01:05am

re: #1182 turn

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Tesla was extremely fastidious. He would never eat anything until he measured the food and made a mental calculation as to the volume. That's crazy and smart.

1188 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:01:14am

Charles was just seen outside of Pismo Beach, peddling south like mad...

1189 zombie  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:01:29am

re: #1114 buzzsawmonkey

Zombie, that's one hell of a good report.

Well, thank you! Now I feel it is ready for unveiling.

Unleash the hounds!

1190 vxbush  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:01:41am

OT and relevant of nothing:

I'm working on this project that is giving me fits. It's open source, so you get what you pay for. The programmers on this have put together an amazing product, and yet they freely admit they are extremely short on documentation--and it is causing me so much frustration at times. It seems to be somewhat finely balance, and if anything gets out of kilter it causes no end of problems. If I have a problem, I have to search for hours to find any hint of what the problem might be. Google is my friend, but this is starting to get ridiculous.

And yet, this software does what my boss wants, so he wants us to keep it going. Oy.

1191 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:01:54am

re: #977 Beach Lover

Morning, Lizards. Have we discussed Obamalamdingdong's gift to the Pope yet?

surprised it wasnt a boxed set of CD's
The DiVinci Code & Angels and Demons
now that would have been thoughtful

That and a copy of The Last Temptation of Christ.

1192 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:02:09am

re: #1183 realwest

Oh for crying out loud. The MSM and at least the people running the Iowa State Fair are absolute, unadulterated fools.
I'm being polite here, too!

What? You wouldn't make the pilgrimage to see a butter Micheal Jackson?

///// ;-P

1193 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:02:27am

Pentagon May Try to Ban Smoking in Military


Pressure is emerging in the Pentagon to ban smoking by soldiers and prohibit the sale of tobacco on military bases.

Those steps were urged in a study for the Defense Department by the Institute of Medicine.

Jack Smith, head of the Pentagon's office of clinical and program policy, says he will recommend to Defense Secretary Robert Gates that the proposals be adopted, USA Today reports.

My uncle is gonna be pissed.

1194 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:02:30am

re: #1153 jcm

It's official...

We (collectively) have completely lost our minds.

Iowa State Fair to let public vote on Michael Jackson butter sculpture

The 2009 butter sculpture will celebrate the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon mission and Neil Armstrong's walk on the lunar surface on July 20, 1969. The sculpture will include an astronaut, an American flag, the surface of the moon and, depending on the public vote, Michael Jackson in recognition of his "moonwalk" dance step.

Wow

1195 Sambo  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:02:39am

re: #1190 vxbush

What's the software? Just curious.

1196 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:03:04am

re: #1185 lincolntf

Just friendly ribbing going on here. I am sure the US Army has some interesting stories to tell about us too. :)

/mostly along the lines, "You wouldn't believe what those crazy canucks did last month....."

1197 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:03:04am

Does anybody giva a shit about this stupid cemetery story?

1198 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:03:06am

I'm out for awhile .... see y'all after I take a nice long walk!

1199 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:03:25am

re: #1166 MandyManners

What evidence?


That's what I meant when I said "Neither did I". Several folks came to his defense, and zombie asked for links so zombie could make any necessary corrections and NO links were forthcoming. For well over an hour now.

1200 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:03:33am

re: #1132 KenJen

I'm hoping the car store will know what I need. I have no idea what I'm doing. I don't have to get under the car do I? I was envisioning buying a can of coolant, pouring it in the right hole and presto. I have a/c.

You might ought to have somebody do this for you.
Just sayin'...

1201 vxbush  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:03:46am

re: #1195 Sambo

What's the software? Just curious.

To be honest, I'd rather not say. It frankly doesn't matter. I was one of the people who reviewed the product, and I didn't see how little documentation there was for the sysadmins who would be installing the product. That's my own oversight.

1202 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:03:50am

re: #1189 zombie

Well, thank you! Now I feel it is ready for unveiling.

Unleash the hounds!

You mean you're not gonna' delete it based on all the *cough* evidence about his recantations?

1203 jamgarr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:03:53am

re: #1147 realwest

Thanks, my friend.

1204 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:04:03am

re: #1184 JohnnyReb

I'm not talking about those idjits. I'm talking about Joe and Jane Six-pack with their little houses. The people that actually tried to live within their means, pay their bills, and live their lives.

They work for a living. No work, bad living. Bad living, little money.

If you owe $100K on a house worth $60K, the math isn't pretty.

1205 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:04:05am

re: #1187 Kenneth

re: #1182 turn

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Tesla was extremely fastidious. He would never eat anything until he measured the food and made a mental calculation as to the volume. That's crazy and smart.

It was sad he died in poverty, ended up on a park bench feeding birds. He was friends with Einstein too. If anybody is interested, here is his autobiography.

[Link: www.tfcbooks.com...]

1206 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:04:07am

re: #1193 NJDhockeyfan

Pentagon May Try to Ban Smoking in Military

My uncle is gonna be pissed.

Eisenhower is going to be pissed.

1207 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:04:35am

re: #1188 albusteve

Charles was just seen outside of Pismo Beach, peddling south like mad...

What was he peddling? Cheap "Rolex" watches?

/smartass pedant

1208 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:04:55am

re: #1193 NJDhockeyfan

Pentagon May Try to Ban Smoking in Military


My uncle is gonna be pissed.

Gosh-darn fucking Commie bastard.

1209 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:05:07am

re: #1192 jcm

What? You wouldn't make the pilgrimage to see a butter Micheal Jackson?

///// ;-P


I would sell fresh baked bread in the parking lot.

1210 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:05:12am

re: #1197 VegasRick

Does anybody giva a shit about this stupid cemetery story?

If I was a relative of one of the dead, I would.

1211 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:06:03am

New thread!

1212 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:07:06am

re: #1066 Shr_Nfr

a picture is worth a thousand words dept:

[Link: timesofindia.indiatimes.com...]

Is that Keith Richards on the right?

1213 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:07:10am

re: #1197 VegasRick

Does anybody giva a shit about this stupid cemetery story?

Actually, I do - but it's because of a Six Degrees of Separation type of connection I have with it. Emmett Till was buried in that cemetary, and I had a friend (now deceased) whose father was a witness in that murder trial. I posted about it last night, but almost nobody cared...so that's the way it goes. : )

So I guess the answer to your question would be, "Very few do." LOL

1214 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:08:14am

re: #1084 Kenneth

Yes, the US Navy used her idea to make radio controlled torpedoes that the Japanese couldn't jam. Later on, her idea found application in cell-phones. That's one hell of a patent!

Spead-spectrum technology has penetrated widely. It's used in all sorts of wireless devices to increase signal-to-noise ratio, decrease required broadcast power and eliminate interference with other devices. It is also used in cryptography and digital watermarking, just to name a couple other areas of application.

1215 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:08:17am

re: #1205 turn

Great link:

I was about twelve years old when I first succeeded in banishing an image from my vision by wilful effort, but I never had any control over the flashes of light to which I have referred. They were, perhaps, my strangest experience and inexplicable. They usually occurred when I found myself in a dangerous or distressing situation, or when I was greatly exhilarated. In some instances I have seen all the air around me filled with tongues of living flame. Their intensity, instead of diminishing, increased with time and seemingly attained a maximum when I was about
twenty-five years old. While in Paris, in 1883, a prominent French manufacturer sent me an invitation to a shooting expedition which I accepted. I had been long confined to the factory and the fresh air had a wonderfully invigorating effect on me. On my return to the city that night I felt a positive sensation that my brain had caught fire. I saw a light as tho a small sun was located in it and I past the whole night applying cold compressions to my tortured head. Finally the flashes diminished in frequency and force but it took more than three weeks before they wholly subsided.

That sounds very much like temporal lobe seizures. Sir Isaac newton described similar experiences.

1216 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:08:44am

re: #1193 NJDhockeyfan

Pentagon May Try to Ban Smoking in Military


My uncle is gonna be pissed.

Why? Does your uncle have the Marlboro concession stand on base?

1217 zombie  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:09:21am

re: #1202 MandyManners

You mean you're not gonna' delete it based on all the *cough* evidence about his recantations?

Y'know, I just spent half an hour trying to find any evidence that he disavowed these views during his confirmation hearing, and found no such evidence at all. I searched Google News Archives, blogs, Technorati, other news searches -- nada. Maybe it's out there, but I sure as hell couldn't find it.

I did uncover one article about what he said at his confirmation, but it made no mention of any disavowal of his earlier views.

1218 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:09:58am

Neighbor called and wants to borrow my slide-hammer.

Y'all take care.

1219 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:10:44am

re: #1177 razorbacker
NOT to mention Cap and Trade - even if the vote on it is put off for a while, required that you make your house environmentally "sound" - that is, if you have single pane windows, you MUST install double pane (therma pane) windows, add insulation and if y'all have a storm door, it too must be double paned and CERTIFIED by a contractor who has in turn been certified by the EPA BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN PUT YOUR HOUSE ON THE MARKET TO SELL IT.Oh yeah, if that survives in the bill (maybe in one of the Place Cards if not the bill actually passed by Congress) then the Tea Parties in 2010 will be in the millions - especially as folks who have become unempoyed will have the time to attend 'em.

1220 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:11:00am

re: #1213 capitalist piglet

And I care because Willie Dixon and (I believe) Dinah Washington are buried there.

1221 Dianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:11:03am

re: #1184 JohnnyReb

The next wave of defaults is projected to be on the second mortgages. A whole heck of a bunch of people who took out 2nd notes or lines of credit are up against the payment wall next. A funny thing may happen though, the banks may just suck it up and not try and take their houses because the banks are already overwhelmed with unsellable houses right now.

Considering the second-mortgage holders only get sloppy seconds, they'd do better to re-negotiate in the hope of getting at least something.

1222 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:11:07am

Lunch. See y'all upstairs in a bit.

1223 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:11:34am

re: #1220 Mad Al-Jaffee

And I care because Willie Dixon and (I believe) Dinah Washington are buried there.

I heard Al Roker saying that a lot of his relatives are buried there.

1224 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:14:17am

re: #70 zombie

Wow. Just wow.
Kudos to you Zombie for uncovering this. I will continue to read and humbly offer edit recommendations if necessary.
Along with Ayers' Prarie Fire I see a pattern emerging here. A pattern of totalitarian monsters. But that's probably just me being a paranoid conservative of course....////

1225 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:14:34am

re: #1197 VegasRick

Does anybody giva a shit about this stupid cemetery story?

Yes, we do. It is criminal what was done to those buried at Burr Oak Cemetary.

1226 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:14:59am

re: #1193 NJDhockeyfan
Yep, when going into combat, or being in a combat zone, my first thought was:"geez, better not like up a smoke, wouldn't want to take any health risks!".

Stupid MoFo's - and I'll bet whoever's cockamamie idea this is has NEVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY. Not even the peacetime military. Didn't even spend one day thinking about joining the military like Obama did.

1227 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:16:43am

re: #1197 VegasRick

Does anybody giva a shit about this stupid cemetery story?


I GIVE A SHIT ABOUT IT. And it's NOT a stupid story, either.

1228 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:17:45am

re: #1164 Killgore Trout

Church sign blasts Islam


Imagine if a mosque put out this sign about Jews.


Damn straight, that would be far more provocative than the Imams preaching death to Jews.

1229 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:19:21am

re: #1197 VegasRick

Does anybody giva a shit about this stupid cemetery story?

Long discussion upthread.

1230 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:20:42am

re: #1220 Mad Al-Jaffee
Indeed. Along with Emmet Til and others as well. It's really a first rate story and would like to see a thread on it and have reported it to Charles hoping for same.

1231 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:23:27am

re: #1065 SurferDoc

The issue really isn't how many nanoseconds The One's eyes rested on the girl's ass, it is more that we all know if that was a picture of George Bush the screams would be heard in distant galaxies.

Not necessarily. Did you see the photo links Avanti posted yesterday to Bush's butt adventures at the Olympics? I didn't hear a single scream about it, at the time. Did you?

1232 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:23:53am

re: #1216 sattv4u2

Why? Does your uncle have the Marlboro concession stand on base?

No, he's a retired Lt.Col. in the Army. He lives in NJ and buys his cigs from a nearby base because they are cheaper.

1233 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:27:52am
1234 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:29:56am

re: #867 Kenneth

That was the '70's... Global Cooling was the big scare then.

Not really a big scare. Mostly the work of a couple of guys who were "outliers" at best. Did you see the links Charles posted debunking the global cooling "scare"? I found them very enlightening.

1235 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:31:28am
1236 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:46:08am

re: #1139 razorbacker

Apropos of nothing;

While looking at Representative Mike Ross' info yesterday, I see that he has an A+ rating from the National Rifle Association.

Not many Democrats have that, I'd wager.

A lot more Democrats have A's than I would have guessed. A few dozen, at least. Once you get outside California.

1237 J.S.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:57:52am

re: #805 zombie

I posted a comment about Holdren on your blog...(I believe back in the late 70s, etc., that Paul Erlich was all the rage -- and he created a storm of controversy with an analogy he used -- Erlich used a "lifeboat" earth analogy...and it was that image -- people on board a lifeboat with limited resources -- which caused panic/fear and questions about "who's 'worthy' enough to survive" -- it's (imo) a malicious question...) (After reading/hearing about many of Obama's notions/appointment/his "friends", I think I'm back to fearing/loathing this President.)

1238 Optimizer  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:38:01am

re: #1205 turn

It was sad he died in poverty, ended up on a park bench feeding birds. He was friends with Einstein too. If anybody is interested, here is his autobiography.

[Link: www.tfcbooks.com...]

How's THIS for a co-ink-e-dink? Google is honoring Tesla's birthday today. [Link: www.google.com...] (I guess he rates better than people who died trying to make the world safe for freedom.)

For anybody who might not be aware, Tesla is the Yugoslavian-born father of alternating current (that stuff that makes everything you "plug in" come to life - the "AC" in "AC/DC"). Very amazingly brilliant man, but with some definitely wierd twists.

Whenever I find myself at Niagara Falls (which is relatively nearby) I always pay homage to the man by always insisting on taking a moment to stop by the huge statue they have of him on Goat Island. (Hey - I have two Electrical Engineering degrees, alright?) The statue is there do to his pioneering work in hydropower, which had its beginnings there.

1239 irongrampa  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:08:18am

re: #1068 KenJen

A word of advice from an ASE certified tech--please DON'T try this yourself. Take the vehicle to a reputable shop that does A/C work. You can cost yourself mega-bucks in repair not doing that.


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