Krauthammer: Obama Doesn’t Understand the Damage He’s Done

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Charles Krauthammer says, “Our president likes his plumage.”

Obama says that his START will be a great boon, setting an example to enable us to better pressure North Korea and Iran to give up their nuclear programs. That a man of Obama’s intelligence can believe such nonsense is beyond comprehension. There is not a shred of evidence that cuts by the great powers — the INF treaty, START I, the Treaty of Moscow (2002) — induced the curtailment of anyone’s programs. Moammar Gaddafi gave up his nukes the week we pulled Saddam Hussein out of his spider hole. No treaty involved. The very notion that Kim Jong Il or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will suddenly abjure nukes because of yet another U.S.-Russian treaty is comical.

The pursuit of such an offensive weapons treaty could nonetheless be detrimental to us. Why? Because Obama’s hunger for a diplomatic success, such as it is, allowed the Russians to exact a price: linkage between offensive and defensive nuclear weapons.

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708 comments
1 Chicken Kiev  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:02:40am

we saw it coming!

2 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:02:55am

"That a man of Obama’s intelligence can believe such nonsense is beyond comprehension."

Rotating title nominee

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:03:33am

Well, yes, it's never worked before, although it's been tried over and over and over..

But it was never Obama that tried it, and he's special. More special than the entire rest of the world's leadership, apparently.

Hey! Let's elect Krauthammer. I'm serious. He's over 35 and a natural born citizen.

4 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:03:41am

I said it before, I'll say it again. Obama is a dangerous dumbass. If this isn't proof to some, I don't know what is.

5 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:04:31am

CK makes more sense than almost anybody in the entire US...he is very difficult to dispute and I'm sure the left despises him for his keen insight

6 vxbush  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:04:55am

re: #3 EmmmieG

Well, yes, it's never worked before, although it's been tried over and over and over..

But it was never Obama that tried it, and he's special. More special than the entire rest of the world's leadership, apparently.

Hey! Let's elect Krauthammer. I'm serious. He's over 35 and a natural born citizen.

I could support that.

7 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:05:25am

Beautiful Plumage!

8 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:05:42am
9 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:06:17am

re: #7 JohnnyReb

Beautiful Plumage!

Peachy keen!

10 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:06:30am

Krauthammer/Hanson* 2012

Anyone else with me?

(The press conferences would be priceless.)

*Victor Davis Hanson

11 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:07:02am

What gives Obama the right to enter into a treaty without it going thru Congress first?

12 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:07:22am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What gives Obama the right to enter into a treaty without it going thru Congress first?

The lack OF the right.

13 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:07:24am

There's nothing worse then an idelogue in a position of power.

14 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:07:28am

I still ask myself if 0 is wrecking our economy by design or does he think some of these idiotic policies will work.....

If cap and trade, gov't seizures of various sectors and Card Check are the byproduct of his being naiive, so much for the '0bama's so much smarter than W' argument I frequently heard during the election....

15 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:07:31am

Must resist. Must resist.

16 Dreader1962  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:07:41am

This is akin to attempts to limit the use of landmines in warfare - we always register where we put them and retrieve them when used (which is rarely, now). Third-world countries have huge stockpiles of these things, mainly of old Soviet manufacture, and 'forget' where they put them. As a result, you get children with limbs blown off when they work the fields.

A major part of SF missions in third-world countries involves assistance on removing this type of minefield.

I could go on about other treaties, but the bottom line is that no treaty is honored when conflict breaks out - war is the cessation of 'civil' attempts to resolve things.

The Left has to accept the fact that the genie is out of the bottle - we will never have a 'nuke-free' world. If we pursue this, we'll face the same situation that we face now.

17 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:07:49am

"Look, I've thrown down my weapon. Now you throw yours down."

- barry

/yeah right

18 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:08:20am

re: #15 MandyManners

Must resist. Must resist.

Don't resist too long, you might explode. That also may be in violation of the testing treaty. :)

19 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:08:24am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What gives Obama the right to enter into a treaty without it going thru Congress first?

It'll have to be ratified by the Senate.

20 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:08:26am

Still resisting.

21 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:08:42am

re: #15 MandyManners

Must resist. Must resist.

Give in to the dark side. We have cookies.

22 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:08:56am

re: #10 EmmmieG

Krauthammer/Hanson* 2012

Anyone else with me?

(The press conferences would be priceless.)

*Victor Davis Hanson

I'm with you EM as long as you fit Bolton in there somewhere.

23 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:09:03am

re: #20 MandyManners

Still resisting.

Here ya go.

/rips off shirt

"ADORE ME!"

24 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:09:14am

re: #4 MrSilverDragon

I said it before, I'll say it again. Obama is a dangerous dumbass. If this isn't proof to some, I don't know what is.

He is not a dumbass. I can certainly believe that he knows exactly what he is doing, and this is his plan and policy. I think as soon as the opposition can shake off the smoke and mirrors and start fighting back, fighting a person that is determined to change the whole nature of this country, then we may make progress in stopping this man.

Until then, saying things like he is dumb, stupid, "doesn't get it" and so on, that just plays right into the facade that is Obama. If we approach him like a fool, we will be fooled.

25 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:09:22am

re: #19 Ward Cleaver

Where geniuses like Al Franken will decide the future of our defense policy.

26 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:09:35am

re: #19 Ward Cleaver

It'll have to be ratified by the rats Senate.

27 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:09:41am

re: #25 Lincolntf

Where geniuses like Al Franken will decide the future of our defense policy.

Gah!

28 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:09:42am

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Here ya go.

/rips off shirt

"ADORE ME!"

BLEACH ME NOW!

29 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:09:43am

re: #20 MandyManners

Still resisting.

I say, just say it, no need to hold back, that just leads to stress.

30 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:09:51am

re: #22 turn

I'm with you EM as long as you fit Bolton in there somewhere.

Secretary of State. Diplomacy Plus.

31 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:10:00am

I HOPE EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WASN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH IS FUCKING HAPPY NOW!

32 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:10:04am

re: #26 VegasRick

Is that why they call it "ratified"?

33 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:10:15am
Obama, who seeks to banish nuclear weapons entirely, has little use for such prosaic contrivances. First, the Obama budget actually cuts spending on missile defense, at a time when federal spending is a riot of extravagance and trillion-dollar deficits.

I would have loved to see an increased defense budget as part of economic stimulus. Boeing and Macdonald Douglas could have created a lot of high tech jobs preparing our military for the future.

34 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:10:18am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What gives Obama the right to enter into a treaty without it going thru Congress first?

Executive branch negotiates the treaty, Senate advises and votes to ratify.

35 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:10:28am

re: #31 MandyManners

Now don't you feel better?

36 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:10:42am

re: #22 turn

I'm with you EM as long as you fit Bolton in there somewhere.


Bolton: Secretary of State

37 NelsFree  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:10:48am

re: #20 MandyManners

Still resisting.

Fresh Fruitcup? Say it, Girl!

38 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:10:52am
39 who is john galt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:11:21am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What gives Obama the right to enter into a treaty without it going thru Congress first?

He is our supreme leader after all, isn't He?
//

40 NelsFree  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:11:22am

re: #22 turn

I'm with you EM as long as you fit Bolton in there somewhere.

Bolton for Sec State

41 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:11:42am

re: #32 Ward Cleaver

Is that why they call it "ratified"?

Full of rats.....and rat turds.

42 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:11:48am

re: #38 buzzsawmonkey

Let me help you:

Hear ye, all thou who didst not cast thy vote for McCain, because he wast perforce not conservative unto sufficiency for thy taste, art thou not fucking happy now?

Classier, yes, but not the same effect... :)

43 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:11:58am

re: #33 Killgore Trout

I would have loved to see an increased defense budget as part of economic stimulus. Boeing and Macdonald Douglas could have created a lot of high tech jobs preparing our military for the future.

Macdonald Douglas? What do they make? Mil-spec hamburgers?

/oops, that's mcdonalds

44 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:12:16am
45 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:12:17am

re: #35 EmmmieG

Now don't you feel better?

Where's my cookie?

46 tommygum  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:12:20am

re: #22 turn

I'm with you EM as long as you fit Bolton in there somewhere.

Sec-State.

47 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:12:40am

re: #41 VegasRick

Full of rats.....and rat turds.

That's not a rat turd, it's a caper!

/from some movie...

48 96RoadKing  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:13:05am

re: #17 Ward Cleaver

"Look, I've thrown down my weapon. Now you throw yours down."

- barry

/yeah right

I don't understand...you mean you still don't like me when I'm unarmed and no longer a threat?

49 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:13:10am

re: #45 MandyManners

Where's my cookie?

Here ya go. Chocolate-chocolate chip. Still warm and gooey.

50 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:13:12am

re: #44 buzzsawmonkey

More flies with honey than with vinegar, as the saying goes.

I hate flies.

51 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:13:19am

re: #31 MandyManners

I HOPE EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WASN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH IS FUCKING HAPPY NOW!

Every time Mandy posts this, I picture Lucy from the Peanuts cartoons yelling it.

52 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:14:00am

re: #43 Ward Cleaver

I also couldn't think of a missile contractor off the top of my head. I could have googled but I'm feeling lazy this morning.

53 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:14:02am

Even when President Reagan was negotiating the INF treaty, missile defense was never included in the mix. Obama is throwing away poker chips without caring what value was contained therein, or what he was getting in return.

Curbing nukes in a deal with the Russians isn't going to stop anyone else from pursuing nukes. It hasn't done so in the 60 years of nuclear proliferation. SALT 1, SALT 2, INF, etc., and more countries became nuclear enabled.

How did the INF prevent Pakistan or India from going nuclear? It did not.

It certainly isn't keeping Iran or North Korea from pursuing the same technologies.

However, Obama's intent to dump missile defense by linking it to future nuclear treaties with the Russians undermines US strategic and national security interests because it provides the Iranians and North Koreans incentives to continue their work.

Iran knows that if the Russians get the US to take missile defense off the table, their work on missile tech and nukes brings nuclear blackmail to the forefront. Missile defense stood in the way. Now? Not so much.

The same goes for North Korea, which has already shown a propensity to act like an addled 2-year old seeking attention.

Missile defense was important for a reason - precisely because there were rogue nations that would not be contained or constrained by MAD, let alone nuclear weapons reduction treaties. If anything, those treaties inure a benefit to rogue regimes since the reduction in nuclear weapons and their platforms mean that the meager weapons in the arsenals of such rogue nations become that much more important - their first use could cripple the US, European, or Russian response and/or limit the reprisal strike capabilities. It's tremendously destabilizing, and each successive reduction in warheads destabilizes matters further.

54 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:14:04am

re: #33 Killgore Trout

I would have loved to see an increased defense budget as part of economic stimulus. Boeing and Macdonald Douglas could have created a lot of high tech jobs preparing our military for the future.

You mean the Tunnel For Turtles and the John Murtha Airport Runway To Nowhere WON"T!

55 tommygum  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:14:12am

re: #31 MandyManners

I HOPE EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WASN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH IS FUCKING HAPPY NOW!

The most astute post EVAH!

56 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:14:13am

re: #48 96RoadKing

I don't understand...you mean you still don't like me when I'm unarmed and no longer a threat?

Enemies always love it when you are unarmed. Makes it easier to hammer you hard.

57 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:14:26am

re: #51 Mad Al-Jaffee

Every time Mandy posts this, I picture Lucy from the Peanuts cartoons yelling it.

Followed up with a panel saying "AUUUUUGGGGHH!"

58 Summer Seale  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:14:30am

re: #51 Mad Al-Jaffee

Every time Mandy posts this, I picture Lucy from the Peanuts cartoons yelling it.

lol. =) i agree with her post but that just made me giggle so hard. =)

59 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:14:45am
60 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:15:04am

re: #36 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #40 NelsFree

Have you guys ever seen anybody who gets right to the point any better than Bolton? That guy calls a spade a spade (plus he scares the shit out of democrats).

61 HelloDare  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:15:25am

What do you expect from a man who cited the Kennedy-Khrushchev Conference as an example of good diplomacy.


The Kennedy-Khrushchev Conference for Dummies

BARACK OBAMA FIRST VOWED to meet unconditionally with the leaders of America's foremost enemies in the YouTube Democratic candidates' debate on July 23, 2007. Since then he has reaffirmed and expanded on the commitment in a variety of contexts, promoting such meetings as a sort of panacea for America's national security challenges. In making these pronouncements, Obama sounds like a precocious college undergraduate who finds himself granted a vision that has eluded elders whose befuddled reckoning has brought them to an impasse.

In Portland on May 18, Obama cited John F. Kennedy's 1961 summit with Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev in Vienna among the series of negotiations that led to America's triumph over the Soviet Union in the Cold War. The Vienna summit, however, disproves Obama's assertion ...

"I never met a man like this," Kennedy subsequently commented to Time's Hugh Sidey. "[I] talked about how a nuclear exchange would kill 70 million people in ten minutes, and he just looked at me as if to say 'So what?'" In The Fifty-Year Wound, Cold War historian Derek Leebaert drily observes of Khrushchev in Vienna, "Having worked for Stalin had its uses."


Khrushchev berated, belittled, and bullied Kennedy on subjects ranging from Communist ideology to the balance of power between the Soviet and Western blocs, to Laos, to "wars of national liberation," to nuclear testing. He threw down the gauntlet on Berlin in particular, all but threatening war.


Kennedy said to Reston that Khrushchev had "just beat [the] hell out of me" and that he had presented Kennedy with a terrible problem: "If he thinks I'm inexperienced and have no
guts, until we remove those ideas we won't get anywhere with him. So we have to act."


Seeking the advice of former Secretary of State Dean Acheson and others, Kennedy pondered his options...he was seeking congressional approval for an additional $3.25 billion in defense spending, the doubling and tripling of draft calls, calling up reserves, raising the Army's total authorized strength, increasing active duty numbers in the Navy and Air Force, reconditioning planes and ships in mothballs ...


In August, Khrushchev responded in his own fashion, erecting the Berlin wall and resuming above ground nuclear testing.

The following year brought the Cuban missile crisis, another sequel to Khrushchev's reading of Kennedy's weakness. Close as the Cuban missile crisis brought the two sides to war, however, it was perhaps not the most consequential effect of Khrushchev's reading of Kennedy's weakness. Persuaded that he needed further to demonstrate "fearlessness and backbone," in the words of William Manchester, Kennedy observed to Reston that the only place where the Communists were challenging the West in a shooting war was in Southeast Asia. Summarizing Kennedy's own evaluation of the aftermath of the Vienna conference in his 2003 biography of Kennedy, Robert Dallek writes that Kennedy "now needed to convince Khrushchev that he could not be pushed around, and the best place currently to make U.S. power credible seemed to be in Vietnam."

62 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:15:29am

Obama at G-8: Full recovery 'still a ways off'

Yeah asshole, like after your term.

63 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:15:32am

re: #54 sattv4u2

re: #33 Killgore Trout


You mean the Tunnel For Turtles and the John Murtha Airport Runway To Nowhere ACORN WON"T!

Fixed that up a little...

64 Dianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:15:54am

re: #3 EmmmieG

Well, yes, it's never worked before, although it's been tried over and over and over..

But it was never Obama that tried it, and he's special. More special than the entire rest of the world's leadership, apparently.

Hey! Let's elect Krauthammer. I'm serious. He's over 35 and a natural born citizen.

I doubt his health would support it, but I couldn't possibly agree with you more.

65 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:15:58am

Ban on tobacco urged in military

Jack Smith, head of the Pentagon's office of clinical and program policy, says he will recommend that Gates adopt proposals by a federal study that cites rising tobacco use and higher costs for the Pentagon and Department of Veterans Affairs as reasons for the ban.

The study by the Institute of Medicine, requested by the VA and Pentagon, calls for a phased-in ban over a period of years, perhaps up to 20. "We'll certainly be taking that recommendation forward," Smith says.

The joys of a goverment run healthcare plan.

66 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:16:15am

re: #33 Killgore Trout

McDonnell Douglas is Boeing.

The 2 aerospace defense contractors are Lockheed Martin and Boeing. That's all that's left.

67 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:16:25am

re: #57 MrSilverDragon

Followed up with a panel saying "AUUUUUGGGGHH!"

Obama, you blockhead!

68 NelsFree  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:16:41am

re: #31 MandyManners

I HOPE EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WASN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH IS FUCKING HAPPY NOW!

A pack of fruitcup is on the way.
/unwraps tootsie roll

69 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:16:51am

re: #43 Ward Cleaver

Macdonald Douglas? What do they make? Mil-spec hamburgers?

/oops, that's mcdonalds

I think it's actually McDonnell Douglas, in any case. Could be wrong.

70 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:17:07am
Obama, who seeks to banish nuclear weapons entirely,

Obama wants to repeal the laws of physics, E=MC

71 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:17:12am

Nail head, meet hammer. Krauthammer, that is.

I wish a no-nonsense guy like this would run for office.

72 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:17:13am

As I posted this morning about Gordon Brown's proposal to give up some nukes in order to show "rogue nations" how to be cooperative, this is like taking a knife to a gun fight and announcing your intentions ahead of the fight.

73 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:17:23am

re: #2 Kenneth

"That a man of Obama’s intelligence can believe such nonsense is beyond comprehension."

Rotating title nominee

Could it be that he is not that intelligent?

74 mj  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:17:28am

Just another day at the New York Times:

New York Times Says Magazine Photos Manipulated

NEW YORK — The New York Times inadvertently published digitally manipulated photographs in the latest issue of its Sunday magazine, the newspaper said Thursday.

In an editors note, the Times acknowledged that Edgar Martins, a 32-year-old freelance photographer based in Bedford, England, digitally altered the photos. The shots have been removed from the newspaper's Web site...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

75 NelsFree  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:17:43am

re: #60 turn

re: #40 NelsFree

Have you guys ever seen anybody who gets right to the point any better than Bolton? That guy calls a spade a spade (plus he scares the shit out of democrats).

CCA, we must make a pinky wish, quick!

76 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:17:44am
77 itellu3times  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:18:04am

These are the New Dark Ages,
rampant stupidity is the governing rule,
and Obama is the dark knight of our discontent.

78 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:18:06am

History is dead....RIP

79 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:18:13am

re: #73 kansas

Could it be that he is not that intelligent?

Or again that he is and it is part of his plan to weaken us? Who is this guy, really?

80 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:18:15am

re: #60 turn

re: #40 NelsFree

Have you guys ever seen anybody who gets right to the point any better than Bolton? That guy calls a spade a spade (plus he scares the shit out of democrats).

He is on a local radio show (now some what national) quite often. The guy is spot on. Plus, hearing the 'pop' of liberal heads helps me sleep.

81 96RoadKing  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:18:19am

re: #53 lawhawk

Even when President Reagan was negotiating the INF treaty, missile defense was never included in the mix. Obama is throwing away poker chips without caring what value was contained therein, or what he was getting in return.

Curbing nukes in a deal with the Russians isn't going to stop anyone else from pursuing nukes. It hasn't done so in the 60 years of nuclear proliferation. SALT 1, SALT 2, INF, etc., and more countries became nuclear enabled.

How did the INF prevent Pakistan or India from going nuclear? It did not.

It certainly isn't keeping Iran or North Korea from pursuing the same technologies.

However, Obama's intent to dump missile defense by linking it to future nuclear treaties with the Russians undermines US strategic and national security interests because it provides the Iranians and North Koreans incentives to continue their work.

Iran knows that if the Russians get the US to take missile defense off the table, their work on missile tech and nukes brings nuclear blackmail to the forefront. Missile defense stood in the way. Now? Not so much.

The same goes for North Korea, which has already shown a propensity to act like an addled 2-year old seeking attention.

Missile defense was important for a reason - precisely because there were rogue nations that would not be contained or constrained by MAD, let alone nuclear weapons reduction treaties. If anything, those treaties inure a benefit to rogue regimes since the reduction in nuclear weapons and their platforms mean that the meager weapons in the arsenals of such rogue nations become that much more important - their first use could cripple the US, European, or Russian response and/or limit the reprisal strike capabilities. It's tremendously destabilizing, and each successive reduction in warheads destabilizes matters further.

Every day, I just see more and more of Jimmy Carter in Obama...the smile, the ears, the complete lack of understanding that every action has long term consequences...

82 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:18:27am

This man is dangerously naive and willfully ignorant of history.
But hey.....who's on American Idol........?
//// *Spit*

83 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:18:31am

re: #66 lawhawk

Is Darpa a contractor or are they a government agency?

84 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:18:34am

Obama has florid NPD. This will go on till he implodes and/or ruins the country and/or somebody gets so sick of him they leak his college apps that show he claimed to be a citizen of another country. My thesis remains that he tried to game the system when he was an 18 year old crackhead. He could have forked his citizenship in three different ways at the time. The birth certificate is a red herring (or perhaps a warming pan from the Glorious Revolution)

85 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:18:40am

re: #78 albusteve

History is dead....RIP

History isn't

Learning from it IS!

86 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:18:44am

re: #66 lawhawk

McDonnell Douglas is Boeing.

The 2 aerospace defense contractors are Lockheed Martin and Boeing. That's all that's left.

Boeing is affectionately known in Seattle as "The Lazy B".

87 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:18:59am

re: #73 kansas

Could it be that he is not that intelligent?

No. The man is intelligent. Just steeped in a wrong ideology.

88 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:19:05am

re: #81 96RoadKing

Has 0bama tried giving away the Panama Canal yet?

89 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:19:18am

re: #72 MandyManners

What is it about psychopaths that these morons do not understand except everything?

90 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:19:28am

re: #75 NelsFree

CCA, we must make a pinky wish, quick!

DONE!

91 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:19:28am

re: #73 kansas

Could it be that he is not that intelligent?

I would say that Obama is intelligent.

I would also say that Obama lacks wisdom.

It's a dangerous combination.

92 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:19:53am

re: #86 capitalist piglet

Isn't Boeing supposed to be known by something else in St. Louis soon?

93 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:19:55am

Ronald Reagan: "Here's my strategy on the Cold War: We win, they lose."

94 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:20:09am

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Is Darpa a contractor or are they a government agency?

I believe DARPA is an agency. Used to know what all the letters stood for.

95 96RoadKing  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:20:13am

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ban on tobacco urged in military


The joys of a goverment run healthcare plan.


Oh great...a heavily armed, pissed off marine going through nicotine withdrawals....actually, it might not be a bad strategy!

96 NelsFree  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:20:22am

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Is Darpa a contractor or are they a government agency?

Google it, Joe!

97 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:20:25am

re: #88 Fenway_Nation

Has 0bama tried giving away the Panama Canal yet?

He's saving that for Raul Castro as a special memorial gift once Fidel dies

98 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:20:30am

re: #84 Shr_Nfr

Obama has florid NPD. This will go on till he implodes and/or ruins the country and/or somebody gets so sick of him they leak his college apps that show he claimed to be a citizen of another country. My thesis remains that he tried to game the system when he was an 18 year old crackhead. He could have forked his citizenship in three different ways at the time. The birth certificate is a red herring (or perhaps a warming pan from the Glorious Revolution)

I am in complete agreement....there is a huge pile of shit somewhere

99 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:20:39am

re: #83 Killgore Trout

DARPA is a Defense Department entity.

100 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:20:42am

re: #85 sattv4u2

I love the quote that Charles put up on an open thread a while ago:

History does not always repeat itself. Sometimes it just yells, “Can’t you remember anything I told you?” and lets fly with a club.

— John W. Campbell

101 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:21:00am

re: #87 experiencedtraveller

No. The man is intelligent. Just steeped in a wrong ideology.

Maybe just not on our side.

102 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:21:09am

I grew up scared to death that we'd get into a nuclear war with the Soviets so when Pres. Reagan won it, I breathed a deep sigh of relief. I was no longer scared of one day having children and subjecting them to the possibility of the mushroom clouds. I don't regret having The Kid but, I am growing sadder and madder at the direction the world is taking.

103 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:21:31am

re: #86 capitalist piglet

I thought it was called the Missing B. Primarily because it's not there anymore (at least the HQ, which is now in Chicago).

104 DaddyG  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:21:37am

Obamas favorite plumage is tailfeathers...

Oglebama

(apologies if this has been linked to death - I'm just checking in)

105 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:21:38am

re: #79 kansas

Or again that he is and it is part of his plan to weaken us? Who is this guy, really?

106 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:22:02am

I call Bullshevik on Obama.

107 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:22:20am

Gonna' go kick the cat. bbiab

108 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:22:26am
109 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:22:35am

re: #70 jcm

Obama wants to repeal the laws of physics, E=MC

Elocution = Mass x Confusion

110 96RoadKing  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:22:39am

re: #88 Fenway_Nation

Has 0bama tried giving away the Panama Canal yet?


No, just the Tidewater area of Virginia & Maryland.

111 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:23:02am

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ban on tobacco urged in military


The joys of a goverment run healthcare plan.

Never ever gonna happen. Fact, the US Military subsidizes the Exchanges with liquor and tobacco sales that amount to a huge sum of their profits. Those sales are nearly 90% pure profit for the military given that we don't pay taxes on those two products.

112 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:23:17am

'Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about
because the U.S. was too strong.' - Ronald Reagan

113 jamgarr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:23:21am

Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency

114 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:23:23am

re: #102 MandyManners

{Mandy} I understand that feeling. After being hit over the head with it all through school, at times I was terrified. Remember "The Day After"?

115 NelsFree  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:23:25am

re: #103 lawhawk

I thought it was called the Missing B. Primarily because it's not there anymore (at least the HQ, which is now in Chicago).

We'll always have scale model kits of famous Boeing aircraft...made by Tamiya...overseas.

116 vxbush  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:24:06am

FYI: DARPA stands for Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. They were the ones who start the Internet back in the 60's.

117 96RoadKing  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:24:14am

re: #98 albusteve

I am in complete agreement....there is a huge pile of shit somewhere


Perhaps in a graveyard in Illinois?

118 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:24:16am

re: #91 MrSilverDragon

Intelligence is often confused with fact retention. I remember a story about one Chinese guy who memorized the answer to every question possible on a test of speaking English. Needless to say, he passed, but could not speak a word.

I think Obama has other problems, but the question of his intelligence or lack thereof should be deferred till we see his college transcripts. Stevenson was lauded as an intelligent person and Truman was crapped on as a hick. Turns out Truman read Greek and Latin as a hobby and all the rest. Stevenson was an empty suit.

119 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:24:17am

re: #80 Cannadian Club Akbar

I didn't know he had a radio show, that would be worth listening to.

120 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:24:23am

re: #111 JohnnyReb

Never ever gonna happen. Fact, the US Military subsidizes the Exchanges with liquor and tobacco sales that amount to a huge sum of their profits. Those sales are nearly 90% pure profit for the military given that we don't pay taxes on those two products.

Since when have economic realities had any effect on this administration?

121 blangwort  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:24:43am

He sold us and all of our Mates
He's now the Prez of the States
Gives away our stuff
With a Hope, and fluff
And yet they still gathers and hates

Sigh... Are we liberal enough yet?

122 flyovercountry  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:24:50am

The true problem is, President Obama really wants to do actual damage to the U.S. as our society exists today. He has shown us this through his past associations, and more importantly through his current deeds. Nobody should be the slightest bit surprised by this, any thing he has said that has substance has supported his current plan of action. I do so hope he fails to get his policy agenda enacted. He is on schedule to become a neutered President by October of this year. I hope that holds up.

123 GoJeepGo  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:24:55am

I wonder how much more deliberate harm will be inflicted before the words "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends..." will be applicable?

124 loaded dice  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:24:55am

The more I read or listen to Krauthammer, the more I stand in awe of his intellect.

125 Dianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:25:07am

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Is Darpa a contractor or are they a government agency?

Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.

126 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:25:21am

re: #70 jcm

Obama wants to repeal the laws of physics, E=MC

Opps, looks like an html tag didn't get closed.....

Nuclear physics is a fact of nature, neither that fact or our knowledge of it can be repealed.

No weapon, rock, rifle or thermonuclear weapon has any intrinsic morality in of of itself. It derives it's morality from the hand that wields it.

This is one of the great mistakes of the left to focus on the means, not men. History and human nature show us that evil men will use any means to their ends. Focus on the means ignores the real issues, confronting evil men.

127 cybermonk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:25:49am

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Looks like the gloves come off early, the "ink" is hardly even dry on the Obama concessions. Putin must be laughing his ass off.

128 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:25:51am

re: #120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Since when have economic realities had any effect on this administration?

Well there is that.......

129 NelsFree  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:25:59am

I have to go. Killgore, perhaps you should say "Thank you" for all those kind Lizards who looked up information for you?
/waiting...

130 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:26:05am

re: #66 lawhawk

McDonnell Douglas is Boeing.

The 2 aerospace defense contractors are Lockheed Martin and Boeing. That's all that's left.

Well, they're the two biggest players. There's still Raytheon, General Dynamics, and a handful of smaller players competing for various contracts out there. And a surprising number of much smaller startups going after the crumbs that the big guys don't consider worth pursuing.

131 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:26:08am

re: #117 96RoadKing

More likely on a college app to Occidental.

132 96RoadKing  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:26:17am

re: #116 vxbush

FYI: DARPA stands for Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. They were the ones who start the Internet back in the 60's.


WAIT! You mean Al Gore DIDN'T start the Internet?

133 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:26:19am

re: #84 Shr_Nfr

You lost me after the first sentence.

134 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:26:32am

re: #100 Shr_Nfr

I love the quote that Charles put up on an open thread a while ago:

History does not always repeat itself. Sometimes it just yells, “Can’t you remember anything I told you?” and lets fly with a club.

— John W. Campbell

HAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA

135 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:26:36am

re: #119 turn

I didn't know he had a radio show, that would be worth listening to.

Sorry, I might have typed wrong. He is often a GUEST on a local guys show, sorry.

136 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:26:37am

re: #126 jcm

Evil is such an outdated concept. They're just differently moralled.

/

137 pat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:27:16am

Obama walked in the room with 4 aces in his hand and lost the pot.

138 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:27:41am

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Is Darpa a contractor or are they a government agency?

Comes under DoD,

Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)

139 vxbush  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:27:45am

re: #132 96RoadKing

WAIT! You mean Al Gore DIDN'T start the Internet?

Shocking, I know, but read about it here

Three terminals and an ARPA

Main articles: RAND and ARPANET
A fundamental pioneer in the call for a global network, J.C.R. Licklider, articulated the ideas in his January 1960 paper, Man-Computer Symbiosis.
"A network of such [computers], connected to one another by wide-band communication lines [which provided] the functions of present-day libraries together with anticipated advances in information storage and retrieval and [other] symbiotic functions."
—J.C.R. Licklider, [2]
In October 1962, Licklider was appointed head of the United States Department of Defense's Advanced Research Projects Agency, now known as DARPA, within the information processing office. There he formed an informal group within DARPA to further computer research. As part of the information processing office's role, three network terminals had been installed: one for System Development Corporation in Santa Monica, one for Project Genie at the University of California, Berkeley and one for the Compatible Time-Sharing System project at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). Licklider's identified need for inter-networking would be made obvious by the apparent waste of resources this caused.
"For each of these three terminals, I had three different sets of user commands. So if I was talking online with someone at S.D.C. and I wanted to talk to someone I knew at Berkeley or M.I.T. about this, I had to get up from the S.D.C. terminal, go over and log into the other terminal and get in touch with them. [...] I said, it's obvious what to do (But I don't want to do it): If you have these three terminals, there ought to be one terminal that goes anywhere you want to go where you have interactive computing. That idea is the ARPAnet."
—Robert W. Taylor, co-writer with Licklider of "The Computer as a Communications Device", in an interview with the New York Times, [3]

:

140 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:28:08am

re: #135 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sorry, I might have typed wrong. He is often a GUEST on a local guys show, sorry.

Oh, I probably read it wrong. my bad.

141 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:28:40am

re: #88 Fenway_Nation

Has 0bama tried giving away the Panama Canal yet?

I would rather give away the Canal than defensive missile capability.

(This is going to be long. Sorry.)

I was out at Fort Stevens yesterday. For all those of you who don't live in Oregon, Fort Stevens was a coastal military site consisting of a bunch of concrete gun sites, barracks, etc. (Big, big guns). Its purpose was to protect the coast, as it was near the mouth of the Columbia. Yes, it was attacked by the Japanese during WWII, at least once, by submarine.

We abandoned it in 1944, and now kids run up and down the empty bunkers and explore the dank rooms with flashlights. It's a fun tourist site.

Why did we abandon it? With the advent of the aircraft carrier, it became a bow and arrow in the age of the musket. Once the enemy had airplanes that could fly over and bomb it, it was useless. We have other, better ways of defending the coast.

We went from coastal forts/batteries, to radar and mobile defense, etc. The next level of defense was the ability to shoot down their ballistic missiles. You develop your level of defense in response to what offensive weapons the other guy has, not in response to what defensive weapons he has. NK is trying to develop missiles that can reach us, therefore we need a defense against this. It would seem obvious to me, but I guess I'm not special* enough.

*Maybe if I were an indigo child. Anyone have a magic marker?

142 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:28:54am

re: #94 BlueCanuck

I believe DARPA is an agency. Used to know what all the letters stood for.

DARPA is part of the DoD. They hand out grants for highly advanced research. It's as close to fundamental research as the military gets; typically, they only throw money at things with a proven potential, but DARPA is the exception.

(Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency)

143 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:28:55am

re: #138 jcm

Thanks.

144 HippieforLife  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:29:06am

Sometimes the aura of "intelligence" covers up the lack of "common sense". The O has it down to a fine art.

145 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:29:10am

To be explicitly clear so there is absolutely no misunderstanding about Obama's foreign policy and national security outlook. I don't think Obama is stupid or evil.

He's just wrong. Dead wrong. He couldn't be more hopelessly wrong. He doesn't get it, and is so entranced with the kumbaya mindset that if we give up our national security and what makes our nation the Shining City on the Hill that everything will be better.

The only ones for whom things will be better are the despots and dictators who take advantage of a weak US. It is never about whether countries like us or hate us. They (despots and dictators) will do so regardless of who is President. Those that hate us, like Iran's Ahmadinejad, Khamenei and the Guardian Council, do so because they are ideologically predisposed to do so, and gain a smug satisfaction when someone like Obama comes along and suggests American weakness of resolve through his actions and incessant need to apologize for US actions. They give in to the belief that if they can simply outlast American resolve, they can succeed in their plans.

It can happen in Iraq. It can happen in Afghanistan. Yet, Obama seems more concerned about the domestic priority of getting US troops out of Iraq by a set date than seeing to it that we have set Iraq on a path to being a stable country that could stand as a bulwark against Islamofascists like those in neighboring Iran.

146 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:29:28am

re: #137 pat

Obama walked in the room with 4 aces in his hand and lost the pot.

It gets worse, he showed them his hand and they knew they could still stay in the game.

147 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:29:35am

re: #132 96RoadKing

WAIT! You mean Al Gore DIDN'T start the Internet?

He invented Global warming as well.

148 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:29:58am

everything abt. o's personality is dangerous in his position as totus.
he is seeing things only thru his own reality. which is very flawed. even if he is just naive, he is still a great threat, because the enemy sees him as weak and they are already pushing him and mocking him.
if o is purposeful in his intent to punish america because he despises what we stand for, it is even worse. he is making it easy for those who despise us.
whatever his problem, he needs to be exposed. i so admire krauthammer for getting the word out there abt. o's despicable behavior.
nuclear weapons are a way of life now, for those countries that have them.
there is no going backwards. o would disarm us as so many rogue countries are trying to nuke up.
it is just madness to think that o feels it appropriate to make us vulnerable, because he wants a feel good photo op for himself. he is looking like a traitor by putting us at risk, in his need to be exalted.
it is also alarming that he may actually believe that by the sheer force of his charismatic personality, he can stop the evil forces in the world.
he is looking worse everyday.

149 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:30:18am

Obama eithetr has a weak Knowledge of history , or he sees himslf as so special that the lessons do not apply when he is involved.
THe Cold War ended by Russian admission because they went bankrupt trying to keep up with US weapons systems.
SDS(Star Wars) was specifically mentioned by Breshnev.
Obama thinks now that the way to go is weapons parity & put Russia back in the game?

150 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:30:41am

Hummingbird-like Nano Air Vehicle from AeroVironment, DARPA

151 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:30:46am

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ban on tobacco urged in military

Jack Smith, head of the Pentagon's office of clinical and program policy, says he will recommend that Gates adopt proposals by a federal study that cites rising tobacco use and higher costs for the Pentagon and Department of Veterans Affairs as reasons for the ban.

The study by the Institute of Medicine, requested by the VA and Pentagon, calls for a phased-in ban over a period of years, perhaps up to 20. "We'll certainly be taking that recommendation forward," Smith says.

The joys of a goverment run healthcare plan.

I suspect most soldiers are more worried about lead poisoning. In the pointy form. I sure was.
We've put children in charge of our country.
/

152 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:30:52am

IRS 'Turning Over Every Rock' to Raise Revenue: 0bama Targeting Overseas Assets

Faced with massive deficits and dwindling tax revenues, the U.S. government is "turning every rock it can over to find as much revenue as it can," says Ken Rubinstein, senior partner at Rubinstein & Rubinstein.
In addition to potential tax hikes, Rubinstein sees a wholesale change in how America treats foreign holdings of U.S. individuals and corporations, citing:

Repatriation: The Obama administration has discussed raising taxes on profits earned overseas by U.S.-based corporations. "This will increase revenues but some companies may leave the country," Rubinstein says.
Flexing Muscles: The U.S. government will ask all nations to sign a "tax information exchange agreement," says Rubinstein, citing unnamed foreign government officials. He declined to specify but the attorney has advised Caribbean banking centers in the past. Smaller nations will have no choice but to acquiesce, Rubinstein says.
Crackdown on Havens: Beyond the government's ongoing case against UBS, pending legislation declares "anybody who sends money to a ‘tax haven country' will be presumed to be committing tax fraud," Rubinstein says. "The burden will be on the taxpayer to prove he didn't commit tax fraud. The judge, jury and prosecutor will be the IRS." This will make it increasingly difficult for U.S. citizens to shelter assets abroad - even for legitimate reasons.
The government is "doing as much possible to increase amount of taxes it receives," he says. "It will increase revenues, but the question is whether the government looks at things in the long-term or only in the short-term."

153 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:30:55am

re: #103 lawhawk

I thought it was called the Missing B. Primarily because it's not there anymore (at least the HQ, which is now in Chicago).

Almost half of the employees, as far as I know, are still in Washington.

An elderly man I know who is retired from Boeing tells a story that on his first day of work, his supervisor tossed a bucket of bolts out on the floor, and told him to pick them up, as slowly as possible.

Obviously they're producing something...but there's a reputation. (I first heard the term "The Lazy B" from a Boeing employee who took voice lessons from me.)

154 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:30:55am

re: #130 SixDegrees

Well, they're the two biggest players. There's still Raytheon, General Dynamics, and a handful of smaller players competing for various contracts out there. And a surprising number of much smaller startups going after the crumbs that the big guys don't consider worth pursuing.

Northrop Grumman employs quite a few people here in ABQ...doing what I have no clue....but they are a feather in the city's cap and would be a shame to lose them

155 96RoadKing  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:31:10am

re: #139 vxbush

:


But...but...but... I wonder if Al is responsible for any other 'truth stretchers'...

156 LionOfDixon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:31:17am

Q.: What's the difference between history and Kenny G?

A.: History only occaisonally repeats itself.

157 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:31:42am

re: #66 lawhawk

McDonnell Douglas is Boeing.

The 2 aerospace defense contractors are Lockheed Martin and Boeing. That's all that's left.

Convair in San Diego (then part of General Dynamics) built the Atlas missiles, and Boeing built the Minuteman missiles. Titans were built by Martin.

158 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:31:47am

re: #92 Fenway_Nation

Isn't Boeing supposed to be known by something else in St. Louis soon?

Seriously? I haven't a clue about that...I don't have any friends currently employed there, and don't really follow the company closely.

159 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:31:47am

re: #151 LGoPs

Petulant spoiled brats, at that.

160 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:31:51am

FCCBHO's science czar is a long-time opponent of our nuclear capabilities.

From 1987-97 he chaired the Executive Committee of the Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs (PCSWA), an international group of scientists who promote arms control. In 1995 he delivered a Nobel Peace Prize acceptance lecture on behalf of the PCSWA. From 1993-2004 he chaired the Committee on International Security and Arms Control of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences. In 2005 he called on the U.S. to issue a “no first use” policy for nuclear weapons and to eliminate nuclear retaliation as a possible response to chemical or biological attacks.

SNIP

How many others around FCBBHO are of similar mind?

161 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:32:01am

re: #130 SixDegrees

GD is basically out of the aerospace business - primarily working on subs, though they have occasional work because of the F-16 fighters (but which was since sold to Lockheed Martin).

162 vxbush  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:32:45am

re: #155 96RoadKing

But...but...but... I wonder if Al is responsible for any other 'truth stretchers'...

I don't have enough fingers on my hands to count with, Road King.

Now, here's the real question: if they ban tobacco in the military, won't that apply to Obama as well as Commander In Chief?

163 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:33:24am

re: #145 lawhawk

re: #148 nyc redneck

Both excellent posts. This is my take on his motivation: narcissistic supply.


I don't believe Obama is intentionally disarming America in some secret plot to surrender to our enemies, although at time it does look like that. I do believe Obama is a narcissist who desperately needs people to admire him. He will tell any lie to aggrandize himself and even believes his own fantasies about peace, love & unicorns. He projects his internal schema onto the world around him. Like any narcissist, he simply does not have any conception of what the consequences of his actions will be.
164 pat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:33:31am

Speaking of global warming, did you hear O'Reilly yesterday try to maintain the world was still warming to Laura Ingram? The meme is a powerful one. No one reports the truth.

165 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:33:33am

re: #88 Fenway_Nation

Has 0bama tried giving away the Panama Canal yet?

That stupid bitch Carter beat him to it.

166 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:33:48am

re: #129 NelsFree

Mind your own business.

167 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:33:53am

re: #160 MandyManners

Too many?

168 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:33:55am

re: #145 lawhawk

To be explicitly clear so there is absolutely no misunderstanding about Obama's foreign policy and national security outlook. I don't think Obama is stupid or evil.

He's just wrong. Dead wrong. He couldn't be more hopelessly wrong. He doesn't get it, and is so entranced with the kumbaya mindset that if we give up our national security and what makes our nation the Shining City on the Hill that everything will be better.

The only ones for whom things will be better are the despots and dictators who take advantage of a weak US. It is never about whether countries like us or hate us. They (despots and dictators) will do so regardless of who is President. Those that hate us, like Iran's Ahmadinejad, Khamenei and the Guardian Council, do so because they are ideologically predisposed to do so, and gain a smug satisfaction when someone like Obama comes along and suggests American weakness of resolve through his actions and incessant need to apologize for US actions. They give in to the belief that if they can simply outlast American resolve, they can succeed in their plans.

It can happen in Iraq. It can happen in Afghanistan. Yet, Obama seems more concerned about the domestic priority of getting US troops out of Iraq by a set date than seeing to it that we have set Iraq on a path to being a stable country that could stand as a bulwark against Islamofascists like those in neighboring Iran.


As I see it Obama lacks an appropriate allegiance to his country.
He sees the US as a net minus in world history & in need of cahnge.
I got a strong impression during the campaign that he & Michelle think that we need to be punished, to even the scales.

169 Aviator  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:33:57am

Obama does not believe in American exceptionalism. He does not want us to be a Superpower. I believe part of his vision is to destroy our economy to the point that we take our "rightful place" in the world community. The additional benefit of making the population more dependent on the government for everything (eg Healthcare) is to help keep his party in power.

170 baier  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:34:09am

Krauthammer > Obama

171 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:34:14am
172 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:34:15am

re: #156 LionOfDixon

Q.: What's the difference between history and Kenny G?

A.: History only occaisonally repeats itself.

I don't hate history.

173 poteen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:35:10am

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

He is not a dumbass. I can certainly believe that he knows exactly what he is doing, and this is his plan and policy. I think as soon as the opposition can shake off the smoke and mirrors and start fighting back, fighting a person that is determined to change the whole nature of this country, then we may make progress in stopping this man.

Until then, saying things like he is dumb, stupid, "doesn't get it" and so on, that just plays right into the facade that is Obama. If we approach him like a fool, we will be fooled.

He's not dumb. And he's not brilliant either. He's politically shrewd, connected, and and not just a little mercenary. All good things for a president.
My problem with him is his rapid rise means he owes a lot of people.
The payback is looking expensive in both domestic AND foreign affairs.

174 pat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:35:14am

northrop grumman

175 96RoadKing  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:35:15am

re: #162 vxbush

I don't have enough fingers on my hands to count with, Road King.

Now, here's the real question: if they ban tobacco in the military, won't that apply to Obama as well as Commander In Chief?

Does anything apply to Obama?

176 DaddyG  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:35:18am

re: #160 MandyManners

How many others around FCBBHO are of similar mind?

...they are the collective.

177 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:35:40am

If you'll pardon for dragging out an old quote:

My wealth is spear and sword, the stout shield which protects my flesh; with this I plough, with this I reap, with this I tread the sweet wine of the grape, with this I am the entitled master of the serfs.

-- Cretan Warrior (Quoted by John Keegan in A HISTORY OF WARFARE, page 242)


Substitute modern weapons (including nukes) for the old Bronze Age gear and what you have in regimes ruling other nations like Russia, China, Norkland, etc., are the modern equivalents of the Cretan Warrior, squared and cubed. The rulers of such regimes will not be the slightest bit impressed by the fantasy-based actions of Die Grosse Null. If anything they would be drooling in anticipation of more "serfs", us Americans, to subjugate and plunder.

The Big Zero has demonstrated that he simply isn't up to the job, and may not even understand the concept of government that underlies his job.

178 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:35:44am

re: #174 pat

northrop grumman

gazundeiht

179 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:35:44am

re: #127 cybermonk

It was like seeing the 98 lb weakling going into the ring with the heavyweight champion, you knew what the result would be before the bell rang.

180 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:35:45am

re: #158 capitalist piglet

JCM mentioned something about that last week. Boeing is looking at opening a new plant. I seem to recall they were talking about Altanta (Or something). Either way, Washington is losing a lot of jobs by not keeping Boeing happy.

181 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:35:57am

re: #150 Killgore Trout

Hummingbird-like Nano Air Vehicle from AeroVironment, DARPA

It needs to be made just a little smaller. Equipped with a tiny camera and pellet of C-4, it could fly up a terrorist's nose, and explode.

182 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:36:16am

re: #132 96RoadKing

It was fun playing on it in the early 70s at MIT.

183 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:36:19am

re: #169 Aviator

Well said, my beliefs as well.

184 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:37:29am

re: #114 BlueCanuck

{Mandy} I understand that feeling. After being hit over the head with it all through school, at times I was terrified. Remember "The Day After"?

I saw it a few years ago. Spooky shit.

185 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:37:34am

re: #177 The Other Les

You can quote John Keegan anytime!

186 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:38:25am

re: #177 The Other Les

Modern translation: "Lo though I walk through the valley of death I will fear no evil, because I am the meanest son of a bitch in the valley." Have these clowns so little understanding of game theory?

187 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:38:26am

OT - OT - OT - OT - LGF slow down

Just an observation from me, I understand that some Lizards are seeing a slow down again on their internet connection. I am too, again, similar to last weekend, although not as severe.

The interesting thing in my case is that this slow down is only when I request a page from LGF.

I've changed my primary and secondary DNS servers, to Sprint, which I have been told is a very stable server to get you DNS info from, and that doesn't affect anything.

But, I experience no speed degradation going to any other site, even the most data intensive.

I'm not a network guru, but, I know enough that this is very strange, very strange if the problem is not on LFG servers or hosting company.

Any new ideas?

188 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:38:28am

re: #181 SixDegrees

They're working on it. They also have created cyborg insects. Amazing stuff.

189 StillAMarine  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:38:54am

re: #31 MandyManners

I HOPE EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WASN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH IS FUCKING HAPPY NOW!

Mandy, I had to log in just to upding your comment.

190 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:39:06am

re: #184 MandyManners

I saw it a few years ago. Spooky shit.

Yeah, crap like that was hammered down our throats up here. Not to mention NBCW trainging we took when I was on my recruit course. Breathed a big sigh of relief in winter of 89.

191 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:39:34am

See you all later. I have promised a library trip, and I must deliver.

192 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:40:00am

re: #180 Killgore Trout

JCM mentioned something about that last week. Boeing is looking at opening a new plant. I seem to recall they were talking about Altanta (Or something). Either way, Washington is losing a lot of jobs by not keeping Boeing happy.

Economics 101

State "A" offers tax incentives (cuts) for Company "X" to move from State "B" where the taxes are high
State "A" loses a little bit of revenue from Company "X" but gains HUGELY from the newly employed (state taxes and consumer spending) while State "B", clinging to their TAX THE WEALTHY CORPORATIONS , loses ALL

Dear President Obama , Please read!

193 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:40:15am

re: #180 Killgore Trout

JCM mentioned something about that last week. Boeing is looking at opening a new plant. I seem to recall they were talking about Altanta (Or something). Either way, Washington is losing a lot of jobs by not keeping Boeing happy.

I've heard there used to be a billboard here (in the seventies?) that said, "Will the last person leaving Seattle please turn out the lights?" or some such thing.

Sounds like maybe we'll being seeing a reprise.

194 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:40:50am

re: #167 BlueCanuck

Too many?

I guarantee you it is close to 99.9 per cent.

195 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:40:52am

re: #184 MandyManners

$5 postage included used on Amazon.

196 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:40:56am

re: #185 Kenneth

You can quote John Keegan anytime!

Actually he was quoting the target warrior. I actually used that quote in a rant about Howard Dean, Benito Mussolini, and some old Spanish commie bitch on my political blog, but I'm not about to start blog pimping here.

197 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:41:06am
198 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:41:25am

re: #169 Aviator

Obama does not believe in American exceptionalism. He does not want us to be a Superpower. I believe part of his vision is to destroy our economy to the point that we take our "rightful place" in the world community. The additional benefit of making the population more dependent on the government for everything (eg Healthcare) is to help keep his party in power.

DINGDINGDING!

199 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:41:28am

You are all Doubting Thomas'

You all know that due to his diligence, The Crips, the Bloods, MS13, and all other murderous thugs in Chicago are now living happily with unicorns and rainbows because Obama convinced the Police to give up their riot guns and pepper spray.


///////..............................................

200 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:41:30am

re: #118 Shr_Nfr

Intelligence is often confused with fact retention. I remember a story about one Chinese guy who memorized the answer to every question possible on a test of speaking English. Needless to say, he passed, but could not speak a word.

I think Obama has other problems, but the question of his intelligence or lack thereof should be deferred till we see his college transcripts. Stevenson was lauded as an intelligent person and Truman was crapped on as a hick. Turns out Truman read Greek and Latin as a hobby and all the rest. Stevenson was an empty suit.

I think you can question his judgment, but his IQ is probably fairly high. The average LSAT score at Harvard when he attented was 171, and he graduated with honors, so that was above average. If his LSAT was even average, he could be a MENSA.
Most estimates were from a pessimistic 130 up to the 160's IQ. The fact that mom and dad were bright, increases the odds that he not short on IQ, but smart folks can make dumb decisions.
I think assuming he is dumb, could be a mistake.

201 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:42:13am

re: #161 lawhawk

GD is basically out of the aerospace business - primarily working on subs, though they have occasional work because of the F-16 fighters (but which was since sold to Lockheed Martin).

They sold the aircraft business to Lockheed in 1993 (it's hard to believe it was that long ago), and then bought Gulfstream in 1999.

202 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:42:13am

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

Sitting on this page doing nothing, I see some traffic between me and LGF about once every second or two.

203 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:42:34am

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

the entire DNC is online checking LFG for detrimental information?

204 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:42:35am

re: #186 Shr_Nfr

Modern translation: "Lo though I walk through the valley of death I will fear no evil, because I am the meanest son of a bitch in the valley." Have these clowns so little understanding of game theory?

Never mind game theory, those bozoids can't even deal with reality.

205 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:42:49am

re: #175 96RoadKing

Does anything apply to Obama?

Nope. Only those of us that grew up with the law, abided by the law, still expect the law to prevail. Obama won. Law doesn't matter any more. That's all there is to it./

BTW, the oceans have receded. "This is the moment. . . ."

206 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:42:54am

re: #165 SixDegrees

That stupid bitch Carter beat him to it.

Instead, he'll give Alaska to the Russians.

207 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:42:55am

re: #161 lawhawk

GD is basically out of the aerospace business - primarily working on subs, though they have occasional work because of the F-16 fighters (but which was since sold to Lockheed Martin).

They do significant aerospace work. At the moment, it's mostly component work ([Link: www.gd-ais.com...] but they are moving aggressively to position themselves as a prime contractor in this area.

208 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:43:04am

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

OT - OT - OT - OT - LGF slow down

Just an observation from me, I understand that some Lizards are seeing a slow down again on their internet connection. I am too, again, similar to last weekend, although not as severe.

The interesting thing in my case is that this slow down is only when I request a page from LGF.

I've changed my primary and secondary DNS servers, to Sprint, which I have been told is a very stable server to get you DNS info from, and that doesn't affect anything.

But, I experience no speed degradation going to any other site, even the most data intensive.

I'm not a network guru, but, I know enough that this is very strange, very strange if the problem is not on LFG servers or hosting company.

Any new ideas?

Could it have anything to do with the North Korean hacking the other day?

209 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:43:07am

re: #200 avanti

I think you can question his judgment, but his IQ is probably fairly high. The average LSAT score at Harvard when he attented was 171, and he graduated with honors, so that was above average. If his LSAT was even average, he could be a MENSA.
Most estimates were from a pessimistic 130 up to the 160's IQ. The fact that mom and dad were bright, increases the odds that he not short on IQ, but smart folks can make dumb decisions.
I think assuming he is dumb, could be a mistake.

Where did you get this information about Obama's Charlye Satre like IQ, gotta linky-poo?

210 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:43:18am

re: #174 pat

northrop grumman

?

211 Cheesehead  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:43:43am

Diplomacy worked so wonderfully in ending WW2.
/

212 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:43:47am

re: #189 StillAMarine

Mandy, I had to log in just to upding your comment.

*deep curtsey*

213 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:43:57am

We're all doomed. Prince Charles says so.

Just 96 months to save world, says Prince Charles

Capitalism and consumerism have brought the world to the brink of economic and environmental collapse, the Prince of Wales has warned in a grandstand speech which set out his concerns for the future of the planet.

The heir to the throne told an audience of industrialists and environmentalists at St James's Palace last night that he had calculated that we have just 96 months left to save the world.

And in a searing indictment on capitalist society, Charles said we can no longer afford consumerism and that the "age of convenience" was over.

214 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:44:02am

re: #205 midwestgak

re: #175 96RoadKing


BTW, the oceans have receded. "This is the moment. . . ."

Yea....it's a little phenomena we like to call 'low tide', genius!

/

215 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:44:10am

since o has been in office,
the only thing that he has shown a talent for is killing flies.

216 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:44:18am

re: #200 avanti

I think you can question his judgment, but his IQ is probably fairly high. The average LSAT score at Harvard when he attented was 171, and he graduated with honors, so that was above average. If his LSAT was even average, he could be a MENSA.
Most estimates were from a pessimistic 130 up to the 160's IQ. The fact that mom and dad were bright, increases the odds that he not short on IQ, but smart folks can make dumb decisions.
I think assuming he is dumb, could be a mistake.

He's not dumb, he just has no common sense or he just doesn't give a rats ass what happens to the rest of the country as long as he gets his dacha.

217 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:44:21am

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

OT - OT - OT - OT - LGF slow down

Just an observation from me, I understand that some Lizards are seeing a slow down again on their internet connection. I am too, again, similar to last weekend, although not as severe.

The interesting thing in my case is that this slow down is only when I request a page from LGF.

I've changed my primary and secondary DNS servers, to Sprint, which I have been told is a very stable server to get you DNS info from, and that doesn't affect anything.

But, I experience no speed degradation going to any other site, even the most data intensive.

I'm not a network guru, but, I know enough that this is very strange, very strange if the problem is not on LFG servers or hosting company.

Any new ideas?

I've noticed Firefox 3.5 in general experiencing slowdowns lately. But it could also be the build of Windows 7 I'm running (7229).

218 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:44:25am

re: #197 buzzsawmonkey

Didn't he say something during the election like 'this is the greatest country ever, please join me while we change it'?

219 Dianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:44:31am

re: #200 avanti

I think you can question his judgment, but his IQ is probably fairly high. The average LSAT score at Harvard when he attented was 171, and he graduated with honors, so that was above average. If his LSAT was even average, he could be a MENSA.
Most estimates were from a pessimistic 130 up to the 160's IQ. The fact that mom and dad were bright, increases the odds that he not short on IQ, but smart folks can make dumb decisions.
I think assuming he is dumb, could be a mistake.

The problem being that even very smart people - and I am (according to my scores and grades) very bright indeed - can lack judgment. To my eye, Obama has very poor judgment, almost to the point of having negative judgment.

220 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:44:47am
221 who is john galt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:44:47am

re: #114 BlueCanuck

My fear was "Red Dawn"
I have distinct memories of the "Duck and Cover" drills from grade school.
That kind of conditioning at such an early age sort of sticks with you.

222 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:44:50am

re: #213 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We're all doomed. Prince Charles says so.

Just 96 months to save world, says Prince Charles

Dumbass.

223 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:45:04am

re: #190 BlueCanuck

Yeah, crap like that was hammered down our throats up here. Not to mention NBCW trainging we took when I was on my recruit course. Breathed a big sigh of relief in winter of 89.

Duck, Bert!


224 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:45:08am

re: #215 nyc redneck

since o has been in office,
the only thing that he has shown a talent for is killing flies.

And the economy! Don't forget the economy!

225 buster  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:45:11am

Years ago a friend said of Jimmy Carter: "He takes his initials too seriously"

Obama is Carter squared! He combines ignorance and narcissism in ways I never thought possible.

226 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:45:40am

re: #195 Shr_Nfr

$5 postage included used on Amazon.

I'll not give one cent to Henry Fonda.

227 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:45:52am

re: #200 avanti

re: #200 avanti

The fact that mom and dad were bright

Huh ?Dad fled the scene and Mom, although she attended college, was flitty at best

228 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:46:07am

re: #200 avanti

I think you can question his judgment, but his IQ is probably fairly high. The average LSAT score at Harvard when he attented was 171, and he graduated with honors, so that was above average. If his LSAT was even average, he could be a MENSA.

Most estimates were from a pessimistic 130 up to the 160's IQ. The fact that mom and dad were bright, increases the odds that he not short on IQ, but smart folks can make dumb decisions.

I think assuming he is dumb, could be a mistake.

And I totally agree (see re: #24 Walter L. Newton) and as you point out, it's is a mistake to assume he is dumb.

Which just goes to prove, he is probably intentionally trying to change the everything this country stands for and mold it into a socialistic nation.

Hands down for sure on that.

229 Dianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:46:08am

re: #213 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We're all doomed. Prince Charles says so.

Just 96 months to save world, says Prince Charles

He's always wanted an excuse to wear a hair shirt and pour some ashes on his head.

230 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:46:14am
231 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:46:27am

re: #197 buzzsawmonkey

The more I listen to Obama, the more I am reminded of Granville Hicks, author of "I Like America," a Communist book published in the mid-late '30s.

Like Hicks, Obama is adept at using the language of liberty to endorse its opposite; at praising America as a setup for advocating its alteration; at holding America to absolute fidelity of an ideal standard (from which it must always fall short) as a basis for convincing people of the need for the alterations he proposes.

And this is Obama's true menace--his ability to use the language of American idealism as the sheep's pelt to cover his stealthy attack on the very source of that idealism.

He's doing Alinsky proud!

232 Rancher  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:46:48am

Liberalism is emotionally driven and strong emotions can easily cloud ones thinking.

233 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:47:00am

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Thanks.

DARPA sponsor lots of high tech stuff....

NOVA: The Great Robot Race.

234 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:47:04am

re: #213 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We're all doomed. Prince Charles says so.

Just 96 months to save world, says Prince Charles

12 * 8 = 96. Apparently, the Prince's Doom Projection is based on 0's maximal term in office coming to an end, rather than any actual, you know, facts.

235 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:47:08am

re: #213 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We're all doomed. Prince Charles says so.

Just 96 months to save world, says Prince Charles

So, that's the time we have to ensure that William rather than Charlie Big-Ears succeeds Liz when the time comes?

236 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:47:14am

re: #200 avanti

I think you can question his judgment, but his IQ is probably fairly high. The average LSAT score at Harvard when he attented was 171, and he graduated with honors, so that was above average. If his LSAT was even average, he could be a MENSA.
Most estimates were from a pessimistic 130 up to the 160's IQ. The fact that mom and dad were bright, increases the odds that he not short on IQ, but smart folks can make dumb decisions.
I think assuming he is dumb, could be a mistake.

He may or may not be bright, but by his own admission he was a poor high school student, yet gets an academic scholarship to Occiental.
Hmmm, how did that happen?
Have you ever heard of a Law Review president without even one submitted articl?

237 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:47:20am

re: #213 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We're all doomed. Prince Charles says so.

Just 96 months to save world, says Prince Charles

Watermelon!

238 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:47:22am

re: #200 avanti

Good leadership is not simply a matter of high IQ. Character, morality and psychology matter much more than intelligence.

239 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:47:28am

re: #200 avanti

I have known a lot of people who are "intelligent" but who do not have good decision making abilities. Intelligence is a slippery thing to characterize. Being around MIT a lot, I see lots of "intellegent" people. Its like a cloud, from the distance it seems to be there, but when you get inside it, there is less to characterize it than you would think. Again, if they care to release his grades, I will be happy comment on them further.

240 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:47:34am

re: #219 Dianna

The problem being that even very smart people - and I am (according to my scores and grades) very bright indeed - can lack judgment. To my eye, Obama has very poor judgment, almost to the point of having negative judgment.

They are not smart. They only believe that they are smart.

(And their primary evidence for their belief in their own superior intelligence is their falling for the 19th century con game created by Marx and Engels.)

241 rightside  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:47:41am

re: #232 Rancher

Liberalism is the most gutless choice one can make.

242 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:47:49am

re: #225 buster

Years ago a friend said of Jimmy Carter: "He takes his initials too seriously"

Obama is Carter squared! He combines ignorance and narcissism in ways I never thought possible.

The meme was similar with Carter. He was supposedly unusually intelligent.

And yet, his presidency - as I recall, though I was a kid - was a near-disaster.

243 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:48:06am

re: #235 Shiplord Kirel

So, that's the time we have to ensure that William rather than Charlie Big-Ears succeeds Liz when the time comes?

I think thats Liz's plan as well.

244 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:48:29am

For those 52% who heard Obama say that he was going to fundamentally change the country....is this fucking fundamental enough for ya'?

245 danshelb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:48:31am

Great article by CK. Obama's arrogance and need for self-gratification and congratulations will really hurt the US over the next 3 1/2 (7 1/2?) years. How someone so intelligent can be soooo stupid is mind boggling. Like mom always said: booksmarts will only help you so much in the real world.

246 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:48:38am

re: #242 capitalist piglet

The meme was similar with Carter. He was supposedly unusually intelligent.

And yet, his presidency - as I recall, though I was a kid - was a near-disaster.

I wasn't (a kid)
It was (a disaster)

247 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:48:40am

re: #242 capitalist piglet

The meme was similar with Carter. He was supposedly unusually intelligent.

And yet, his presidency - as I recall, though I was a kid - was a near-disaster.

It wasn't a near disaster. It was a sure enough disaster.

248 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:48:42am

re: #208 MandyManners

Could it have anything to do with the North Korean hacking the other day?

Has the parrot started to speak any Korean words?

249 pbird  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:48:52am

re: #50 MandyManners

I hate flies.

Damn right!

250 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:48:55am

re: #213 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We're all doomed. Prince Charles says so.

Just 96 months to save world, says Prince Charles

Is there precedent for Queen Elizabeth skipping over him to hand the throne to William?

251 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:48:56am

re: #31 MandyManners

I HOPE EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WASN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH IS FUCKING HAPPY NOW!

Or refused to vote McCain/Palin because Palin is nothing but a hick

252 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:03am

re: #204 The Other Les

Reality runs on game theory. The objective function of the rabbit is maximized when it is not eaten. The objective function of the wolf is maximized when he eats the rabbit. The Nash equilibrium has two possible states. A live rabbit or a full wolf.

253 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:08am

re: #246 sattv4u2

I wasn't (a kid)
It was (a disaster)

We seem to have the same recollection of the Carter years.

254 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:13am

re: #208 MandyManners

Could it have anything to do with the North Korean hacking the other day?

Yes, no. If certain routers are getting hit with all that NK traffic requests, and your request to LGF for a page goes through that SAME router, then you may experience a slow response to your request.

It's like a having 10 telephone operators trying to handle calls, they can only do it one at a time. It will take them much more time if there are 1000 customers in the que than if there is only 100.

255 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:17am

re: #219 Dianna

The problem being that even very smart people - and I am (according to my scores and grades) very bright indeed - can lack judgment. To my eye, Obama has very poor judgment, almost to the point of having negative judgment.

I agree, and made that point. I just think assuming he's dumb could be a mistake.

256 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:26am

re: #200 avanti

I think you can question his judgment, but his IQ is probably fairly high. The average LSAT score at Harvard when he attented was 171, and he graduated with honors, so that was above average. If his LSAT was even average, he could be a MENSA.
Most estimates were from a pessimistic 130 up to the 160's IQ. The fact that mom and dad were bright, increases the odds that he not short on IQ, but smart folks can make dumb decisions.
I think assuming he is dumb, could be a mistake.

No doubt Obama is smart, however much of what he knows just isn't so.

257 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:28am

re: #235 Shiplord Kirel

So, that's the time we have to ensure that William rather than Charlie Big-Ears succeeds Liz when the time comes?

GMTA.

258 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:32am

re: #242 capitalist piglet

The meme was similar with Carter. He was supposedly unusually intelligent.

And yet, his presidency - as I recall, though I was a kid - was a near-disaster.

Carter was smart. He was a navy nuke and served on nuke boats. But we all know about nukes in the Navy....too smart for their own good.

259 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:46am

re: #225 buster

Years ago a friend said of Jimmy Carter: "He takes his initials too seriously"

Obama is Carter squared! He combines ignorance and narcissism in ways I never thought possible.

I basically think of The Big Zero as the living embodiment of virtually everything that is wrong with the Left in General and the Democratic Party in particular.

260 rightside  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:48am

re: #253 redstateredneck

I was a kid, but still remember the gas lines.

261 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:55am

re: #248 debutaunt

Has the parrot started to speak any Korean words?

WHAT?

262 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:58am

re: #242 capitalist piglet

The meme was similar with Carter. He was supposedly unusually intelligent.

And yet, his presidency - as I recall, though I was a kid - was a near-disaster.

I've known a lot of fucking idiots who got into trouble thinking they were smarter than they really were.

263 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:50:23am

re: #235 Shiplord Kirel

So, that's the time we have to ensure that William rather than Charlie Big-Ears succeeds Liz when the time comes?

Everyone knows the end is Dec. 20, 2012.

///

264 Dianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:50:31am

re: #239 Shr_Nfr

I've also noticed that even geniuses are only geniuses on occasion, or in a certain area.

It's very discouraging.

265 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:50:35am

re: #238 Kenneth

Good leadership is not simply a matter of high IQ. Character, morality and psychology matter much more than intelligence.

Yep, my only comment was on his brain horsepower, not how he uses it.

266 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:50:38am

re: #249 pbird

Damn right!

Where will you find them in a cattle ranch?

267 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:50:42am

re: #250 MandyManners

Yes. Especially in that Charles married a Catholic. I have nothing against Catholics since I am everyone's heretic, but in theory, the King of England is the "Defender of the Faith".

268 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:50:59am

re: #216 Eowyn2

He's not dumb, he just has no common sense or he just doesn't give a rats ass what happens to the rest of the country as long as he gets his dacha.

He doesn't seem to have a normal connection to this country.

269 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:51:02am

re: #251 Eowyn2

Or refused to vote McCain/Palin because Palin is nothing but a hick

Take *that*, spacefreak.

270 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:51:10am

re: #250 MandyManners

Is there precedent for Queen Elizabeth skipping over him to hand the throne to William?

I believe there is. Would have to do some research on it though.

271 Digital Display  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:51:14am

re: #263 jcm

Everyone knows the end is Dec. 20, 2012.

///


Well that's good to know.. No Christmas shopping that year...

272 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:51:46am

re: #252 Shr_Nfr

Reality runs on game theory. The objective function of the rabbit is maximized when it is not eaten. The objective function of the wolf is maximized when he eats the rabbit. The Nash equilibrium has two possible states. A live rabbit or a full wolf.

Obama changed the game by having the wolf lay down in front of the rabbit and chew it's own head off.

273 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:51:54am

re: #255 avanti

I do not assume he is dumb. I am agnostic on his real intelligence. But the driving theme behind him is his NPD. That will not end well.

274 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:51:55am

re: #254 Walter L. Newton

Yes, no. If certain routers are getting hit with all that NK traffic requests, and your request to LGF for a page goes through that SAME router, then you may experience a slow response to your request.

It's like a having 10 telephone operators trying to handle calls, they can only do it one at a time. It will take them much more time if there are 1000 customers in the que than if there is only 100.

Techno-talk!

*eyes glazing over*

275 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:52:24am

re: #237 MandyManners

Watermelon!

There's never a Cromwell around when you really need one.

276 Dianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:52:24am

re: #250 MandyManners

Is there precedent for Queen Elizabeth skipping over him to hand the throne to William?

Parliament does have a final say. When he was crowned Prince of Wales - back when I was about 8 or so - Parliament had confirmed him as heir presumptive.

That does not mean that Parliament has to accept Charles as King.

Yes, they can skip Charles and bring Harry in. Or William, were Harry to decline.

277 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:52:29am

re: #260 rightside

I was a kid, but still remember the gas lines.

Didja' buy a cardigan?

278 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:52:29am

re: #253 redstateredneck

We seem to have the same recollection of the Carter years.

Well, I do concur. I would have called it a disaster, except for the fact that we're still here.

I was actually worried about that at the time. I'm similarly worried these days, honestly.

279 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:52:48am

re: #233 jcm

Very cool. John Lithgow narrating too.

280 Pupdawg  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:53:03am

re: #2 Kenneth

"That a man of Obama’s intelligence can believe such nonsense is beyond comprehension."

Rotating title nominee

...another way to pose the comment would be:

"It is beyond comprehension for anyone to think Obama is intelligent when he believes such nonsense."

281 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:53:13am

re: #263 jcm

Everyone knows the end is Dec. 20, 2012.

///

Maya, maya not.

282 JustABill  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:53:20am

re: #246 sattv4u2

I wasn't (a kid)
It was (a disaster)

Its been true for a long time. According to the media, any president with a D following their name is very intelligent, if they have the R after their name they are morons...

283 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:53:27am

re: #267 Shr_Nfr

Yes. Especially in that Charles married a Catholic. I have nothing against Catholics since I am everyone's heretic, but in theory, the King of England is the "Defender of the Faith".

Charles didn't like that idea

"Defender of the Faith" is a title used by all British monarchs since Henry VIII in 1521.

Prince Charles first expressed his wish to become Defender of Faith instead, in an interview in 1994.

He suggested the existing title implied the sovereign would protect only Christians.

The prince's position was seen by many as a reflection of multicultural Britain.

284 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:53:33am

re: #260 rightside

I was a kid, but still remember the gas lines.

I was in my mid- late 20's SITTING in those lines!

285 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:53:41am

re: #265 avanti

I agree. Obama is smart, has a high IQ. But his character is weak, his morality is liberal and his psychological fitness is seriously questionable. This is a very bad combination in a president.

286 pat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:53:48am

northrop grumman is another aerospace/defense contractor. someone had mentioned that Lockheed and Boeing were only ones. There is also the American branch of BAE, a British company, but almost American via ownership and contracts

287 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:53:55am

Huffa puffa, huffa puffa - geez, when did this become the Lounge!
I haven't been able to get a comment in here at all before someone smarter than I am says it better than I could.
I do think that Obama has some conception of the damage he is doing to America. And I think he's ok with it. As I've said many times before, I don't the Obama or Michelle either love or respect America. Seriously. If he can only bring us down to the level of second and third world military's that would serve us right.
It's why he doesn't like to use the words "Freedom" and "Democracy" very much - they've been used to justify our ultra capable military and to insist on spreading Freedom and Democracy (see,e.g., end of Cold War I, freeing Eastern Europe and, hopefully Iraq) or defending Freedom and Democracy (see, e.g., Western Europe and *gasp* Israel!).
And no I'm not joking, neither am I exaggerating. Name one thing he's done to help America OR to help America's allies out in either fighting terrorism or in the "new Cold War" involving NORK, Iran and Syria? He didn't get in the way of snipers shooting pirates - YEA OBAMA!
But he's very busy selling out Poland and Czechoslovakia, and the Ukraine and Georgia.
And yet the MSM is still so ENTHRALLED with him, only a few folks like Krauthammer call him on it.
It saddens and disgusts me that for Obama, history before "his time as an adult" doesn't really exist. WW I, WW II, Korea - oh yeah he read something about that while at Columbia (maybe - I don't give a CRAP about his grades, but I would like to know what courses he took and from whom) but it doesn't count at all for him because it didn't INVOLVE OBAMA.

288 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:53:56am

re: #274 MandyManners

Techno-talk!

*eyes glazing over*

Just relax and think of England

289 Buster  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:54:00am

re: #262 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've known a lot of fucking idiots who got into trouble thinking they were smarter than they really were.

I once read an article titled; "Are you incompetent? You might be the last to know." I wish i could remember the author.

290 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:54:04am

re: #267 Shr_Nfr

Yes. Especially in that Charles married a Catholic. I have nothing against Catholics since I am everyone's heretic, but in theory, the King of England is the "Defender of the Faith".

Hasn't he decided that his oath will be "Defender of the Faiths"?

291 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:54:19am

re: #268 debutaunt

He doesn't seem to have a normal connection to this country.

I wonder how much that may have to do with experiencing formative years abroad. Have we ever elected someone like that before? No one comes to mind, but there could be something I'm unaware of.

292 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:54:25am

re: #232 Rancher

Liberalism is emotionally driven and strong emotions can easily cloud ones thinking.

The odd thing is his seeming lack of any real emotion.

293 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:54:41am

re: #270 BlueCanuck

I believe there is. Would have to do some research on it though.

I hope her ministers are all over that.

294 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:54:58am

re: #216 Eowyn2

He's not dumb, he just has no common sense or he just doesn't give a rats ass what happens to the rest of the country as long as he gets his dacha.

Dacha. Had to look it up
dacha
One entry found.

Main Entry: da·cha
Pronunciation: ˈdä-chə also ˈda-
Function: noun
Etymology: Russian, from Old Russian, land allotted by a prince; akin to Latin dos dowry — more at date
Date: 1896
: a Russian country cottage used especially in the summer

295 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:55:03am

re: #263 jcm

Everyone knows the end is Dec. 20, 2012.

///

Not for all of us. I hear if you tape this on your forehead that day, Armageddon passes you by. In fact, to be safe, I am going to start today....

296 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:55:06am
297 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:55:21am

re: #275 The Other Les

There's never a Cromwell around when you really need one.

He'd flip out today.

298 Dianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:55:30am

re: #258 JohnnyReb

Carter was smart. He was a navy nuke and served on nuke boats. But we all know about nukes in the Navy....too smart for their own good.

Er...he didn't actually serve. Due to circumstances beyond his control, he received the maximum dose while he was still in school.

Or so my Male keeps telling everyone.

299 danshelb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:55:33am

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

Perhaps the result of Internet traffic shaping to cope with the little cyber attack that's been going on this week.

300 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:55:56am

re: #294 midwestgak

Dacha. Had to look it up
dacha
One entry found.

Main Entry: da·cha
Pronunciation: ˈdä-chə also ˈda-
Function: noun
Etymology: Russian, from Old Russian, land allotted by a prince; akin to Latin dos dowry — more at date
Date: 1896
: a Russian country cottage used especially in the summer

It's like a vacation home.

301 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:55:58am

re: #281 MandyManners

Maya, maya not.

Aztec it you are a skeptic?

302 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:56:08am

re: #236 opnion

He may or may not be bright, but by his own admission he was a poor high school student, yet gets an academic scholarship to Occiental.
Hmmm, how did that happen?
Have you ever heard of a Law Review president without even one submitted articl?

where are the records of his grades and accomplishments?
if the narcissist had actual proof of his academic honors that 'evidence' would be splashed everywhere by o, himself, and his accomplices in the msm.

we are told o is a genius and expected to believe that while he stutters incoherently trying to answer the most simple question.

i call bullshit on this buffoon being a genius.

303 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:56:23am

re: #292 debutaunt

The odd thing is his seeming lack of any real emotion.

A flat affect is a marker for NPD.

304 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:56:28am

re: #276 Dianna

Parliament does have a final say. When he was crowned Prince of Wales - back when I was about 8 or so - Parliament had confirmed him as heir presumptive.

That does not mean that Parliament has to accept Charles as King.

Yes, they can skip Charles and bring Harry in. Or William, were Harry to decline.

Is there a difference between Heir Apparent and Heir Presumptive and the latter is more binding?

If NuLab is still in power, he's gonna' be king.

305 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:56:30am

re: #297 MandyManners

He'd flip out today.

Well, yes. But will he then roll up his sleeves and go to work on the problem?

I should think so.

306 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:56:32am

re: #270 BlueCanuck

The precedent is the succession in the Glorious Revolution. When James II was king, he had a couple of daughters brought up as Protestants, Mary and Anne. He then had a son. That lead the locals to pitch his ass out of the country since they did not want to have a Catholic succession. The "Pretender" stayed in the court in France. His son tried to reclaim the throne of Scotland at least and got the shit kicked out of him. The agreement was that the throne passed over his son and to his daughters. The bastard son of Charles II tried to assume the throne instead of James II and lost his head over it.

307 Dianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:56:58am

re: #267 Shr_Nfr

Yes. Especially in that Charles married a Catholic. I have nothing against Catholics since I am everyone's heretic, but in theory, the King of England is the "Defender of the Faith".

Diana Spencer was not a Catholic, and Camilla sure as hell isn't.

308 anchors_aweigh  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:57:01am

It's time to call a spade a spade. BHO is a dangerous radical.

His legislative priorities (Universal Health and Climate Change) are thinly veiled attempts for permanent political and economic control of this country.

If he was serious about reducing health costs he would start with tort reform...if he was serious about reducing green house gas emissions he would ensure the other major contributors to green house gas emissions (China/India) get onboard before unilaterally putting us at a competitive disadvantage.

The fact that he does none of the above (tort reform/comprehensive green house emission control) demonstrates the truth.

There are none so blind as those who will not see...

309 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:57:06am

I actually met one of those Mayan calender nuts. She didn't like my assertation that the Mayans looked over their work and said "Guys, I think we're good for now. We can make some more if we need them later."

310 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:57:08am

re: #288 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just relax and think of England

Not if Charles is king!

311 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:57:18am

re: #296 buzzsawmonkey

I am tired of the mantra of Obama's supposed intelligence.

So, OK--Obama is intelligent, yadda yadda. That means that he is held to a higher standard--and he is failing to live up to an ordinary standard, let alone the standard one would expect of someone of particular intelligence, wisdom, judgment, discernment.

I think that Obama is superficially bright in certain limited areas valued in the academy, but that he is in all other respects a naive fool. But my opinion is of no consequence; his followers and acolytes, who believe that he is of superior intelligence, and that this supposed intelligence, standing alone, matters in some way, have the burden of explaining how this man they consider to be of exceptional ability manages to reel drunkenly from blunder to blunder.

Yes, for a "smart guy" he is doing some pretty stupid things. I guess intelligence does not always correlate into wisdom, eh?

312 rightside  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:57:23am

re: #277 MandyManners

No, but dad cussed a lot waiting in line.

313 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:58:05am

re: #262 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've known a lot of fucking idiots who got into trouble thinking they were smarter than they really were.

The trouble is that idiots don't look into he mirror and say "I can't fucking believe how stupid I am". All too often they are legends in their own minds.......

314 Cheesehead  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:58:32am

re: #253 redstateredneck

I remember as a 16 yo watching his inauguration when he walked down Pennsylvania Ave. thinking: Isn't that great, he saving energy by not riding in the limo. Never realizing the limo was right behind him.
Lesson here: Good thing 16 yo's don't vote.

315 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:58:49am

re: #296 buzzsawmonkey

I am tired of the mantra of Obama's supposed intelligence.

So, OK--Obama is intelligent, yadda yadda. That means that he is held to a higher standard--and he is failing to live up to an ordinary standard, let alone the standard one would expect of someone of particular intelligence, wisdom, judgment, discernment.

I think that Obama is superficially bright in certain limited areas valued in the academy, but that he is in all other respects a naive fool. But my opinion is of no consequence; his followers and acolytes, who believe that he is of superior intelligence, and that this supposed intelligence, standing alone, matters in some way, have the burden of explaining how this man they consider to be of exceptional ability manages to reel drunkenly from blunder to blunder.

BOW, BUZZ. BOW BEFORE BARAK'S BRAIN!

316 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:59:17am

re: #314 Cheesehead

I remember as a 16 yo watching his inauguration when he walked down Pennsylvania Ave. thinking: Isn't that great, he saving energy by not riding in the limo. Never realizing the limo was right behind him.
Lesson here: Good thing 16 yo's don't vote.

A lot of people shouldn't vote.

317 StillAMarine  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:59:44am

re: #212 MandyManners

*deep curtsey*

I am honoured, thank you.

318 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:59:56am

re: #301 jcm

Aztec it you are a skeptic?

I wouldn't be aboriginal in my thoughts.

319 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:00:29am

re: #313 LGoPs

The trouble is that idiots don't look into he mirror and say "I can't fucking believe how stupid I am". All too often they are legends in their own minds.......

Usually they say something like "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me."

320 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:00:35am

re: #318 MandyManners


Who do you th-Inca you are?

321 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:00:36am

re: #303 Kenneth

A flat affect is a marker for NPD.

BINGO!

322 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:00:37am

re: #299 danshelb

Perhaps the result of Internet traffic shaping to cope with the little cyber attack that's been going on this week.

Yes, no, maybe. Strange that for me, it is ONLY LGF. I cannot find another web site that is slow to respond. I am not saying it has anything to do with LGF or it's severs and hosting company, I am only pointing out what is happening from my end. I don't know what's wrong nor do I have an answer.

I looked at network traffic stats, I've traced routed my connection to LGF (and other sites) and I have googled for general information on the health of the net, and I cannot find any trend or reason for this.

Of course, there are people much more network geeky than me and they have monitoring tools that I don't have access to.

Just what I see.

323 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:00:54am

re: #298 Dianna

Er...he didn't actually serve. Due to circumstances beyond his control, he received the maximum dose while he was still in school.

Or so my Male keeps telling everyone.

That is correct. He served on diesel boats and almost finished Nuke school, I forgot.

324 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:00:54am

re: #319 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Usually they say something like "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me."

Then, they get elected to the US Senate from the state of Minnesota

325 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:01:01am

re: #277 MandyManners

Didja' buy a cardigan?

That always pissed me off, seeing Carter on TV with a goofy sweater on. He's in the White House, where
A) every INCH of it is climate controlled
and
B) there's a fucking fireplace in almost EVERY room!

Showing me, (sitting in Boston freezing my ass off paying up the wazzoo in oil heat bills) that he was "suffering" along with us was disgisting!

326 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:01:05am

re: #287 realwest

I still fume over the fact that his world view was not a big part of the campaign last fall. The media should have been asking him tough questions, but instead they accepted the platitudes and piled on the praise.

327 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:01:30am

re: #305 The Other Les

Well, yes. But will he then roll up his sleeves and go to work on the problem?

I should think so.

I wonder what Jefferson and Franklin would make of the US today.

328 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:01:52am
329 Dianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:01:52am

re: #290 MandyManners

Hasn't he decided that his oath will be "Defender of the Faiths"?

Want some hysterical historical trivia?

The title "Defender of the Faith" was awarded to Henry VIII (the French Kings had held such a title since the days of the crusades) by the Pope when he wrote a book against Luther. Henry retained the title and style when he broke away and made himself the head of his national church.

The irony is palpable.

330 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:02:06am

re: #327 MandyManners

I wonder what Jefferson and Franklin would make of the US today.

"Dude , where's my country?"

331 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:02:10am

re: #296 buzzsawmonkey

I am tired of the mantra of Obama's supposed intelligence.

So, OK--Obama is intelligent, yadda yadda. That means that he is held to a higher standard--and he is failing to live up to an ordinary standard, let alone the standard one would expect of someone of particular intelligence, wisdom, judgment, discernment.

I think that Obama is superficially bright in certain limited areas valued in the academy, but that he is in all other respects a naive fool. But my opinion is of no consequence; his followers and acolytes, who believe that he is of superior intelligence, and that this supposed intelligence, standing alone, matters in some way, have the burden of explaining how this man they consider to be of exceptional ability manages to reel drunkenly from blunder to blunder.

I cetainly agree and would point out that the corollary of that mantra is that Republicans are stupid. Both theories reflect more on the ignorance of those that espouse them than on any reality.

332 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:02:20am

re: #312 rightside

No, but dad cussed a lot waiting in line.

So did mine.

333 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:02:22am

re: #319 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Usually they say something like "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me."

That's Senator good enough, smart enough, thank you.

334 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:02:34am

re: #327 MandyManners

I wonder what Jefferson and Franklin would make of the US today.

"We gave you a republic, and you failed to keep it."

335 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:02:48am

re: #317 StillAMarine

I am honoured, thank you.

Thank *you*.

336 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:02:54am

re: #296 buzzsawmonkey
Indeed, I think avanti is right here: Obama IS smart.
But, as I said in my #289 he really doesn't "get" history (to the extent he understands it) and he really doesn't like or respect America.
And why the hell should he? He was a community orgainizer who got into the Illinois State Senate and then the US Senate - well what the fuck does that prove? Al Franken - AL FRANKEN got into the US Senate too.
The fact is he doesn't see America - a strong America as a force for good in the world. And that fact ALONE tells you all you need to know about President Obama.

337 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:03:18am

re: #213 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We're all doomed. Prince Charles says so.

Just 96 months to save world, says Prince Charles

At least this explains why the queen refuses to abdicate.

338 Cheesehead  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:03:34am

re: #316 redstateredneck

Like dead people, felons, fictitious people, etc.. Ooops, there goes a percentage of the Democrat vote!

339 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:03:51am

re: #308 anchors_aweigh

It's time to call a spade a spade. BHO is a dangerous radical.

His legislative priorities (Universal Health and Climate Change) are thinly veiled attempts for permanent political and economic control of this country.

If he was serious about reducing health costs he would start with tort reform...if he was serious about reducing green house gas emissions he would ensure the other major contributors to green house gas emissions (China/India) get onboard before unilaterally putting us at a competitive disadvantage.

The fact that he does none of the above (tort reform/comprehensive green house emission control) demonstrates the truth.

There are none so blind as those who will not see...

We are under enemy occupation.

340 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:03:51am

re: #320 Fenway_Nation

Who do you th-Inca you are?

Yanomami by now?

341 Dianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:03:55am

re: #304 MandyManners

Is there a difference between Heir Apparent and Heir Presumptive and the latter is more binding?

If NuLab is still in power, he's gonna' be king.

Heir Apparent is usually the nearest relative to the holder of the monarchy. Heir Presumptive has been acknowledged and confirmed.

Of course, there's a chance I've got that precisely backwards, knowing me. I remember that there's a difference, and one is a legal position.

342 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:04:23am

re: #327 MandyManners

I wonder what Jefferson and Franklin would make of the US today.

They would get depressed and have to be put on Prozac.

343 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:04:30am

re: #336 realwest
pimf: My #287.

344 Buster  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:04:44am

re: #315 MandyManners

BOW, BUZZ. BOW BEFORE BARAK'S BRAIN!


Sorry Buzz...It doesn't take much to fool Biden.

345 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:04:52am

re: #292 debutaunt

The odd thing is his seeming lack of any real emotion.

i thought this when he was so stoic and unmoved by the events in iran. so many people being slaughtered and his comments were so detached and indifferent.
"a robust debate" was so inappropriate.
why did he say anything?"

346 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:04:59am

re: #328 buzzsawmonkey

I don't think so.

I've been around intelligent people all my life, and in my experience it is only those who feel insecure about their intelligence who feel the need to brag about it, and it is only the dimwits who believe that intelligence alone is a touchstone of worth.

Like the guys in the locker room who brag about their sexual prowess. Are they really getting all that much?

347 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:05:16am

I pity the fool / president who has to pick up the pieces in 2012.... there will be a lot of gaping defense holes to plug up ... if not recreate entirely by the time this carny worker is through...

No offense to Carny's...

348 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:05:18am

re: #327 MandyManners

I wonder what Jefferson and Franklin would make of the US today.

Pfff, who cares what some over privileged white males would have to say on the matter.

///

349 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:05:20am

re: #327 MandyManners

I wonder what Jefferson and Franklin would make of the US today.

That's a really good question. Which I'm not going to answer as it involves a lot of screaming and the tearing out of much of my remaining hair.

350 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:05:51am

re: #329 Dianna

Want some hysterical historical trivia?

The title "Defender of the Faith" was awarded to Henry VIII (the French Kings had held such a title since the days of the crusades) by the Pope when he wrote a book against Luther. Henry retained the title and style when he broke away and made himself the head of his national church.

The irony is palpable.

It's good to be the King!

351 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:05:51am

Gallup editor discusses BHO drop to 58% in approval today.


video.

352 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:06:00am

re: #326 VioletTiger

I still fume over the fact that his world view was not a big part of the campaign last fall. The media should have been asking him tough questions, but instead they accepted the platitudes and piled on the praise.

The whole Berlin "citizen of the world" speech....

The MSM had a orgasm.

353 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:06:26am

re: #325 sattv4u2

Obama's response to cold weather has been not to turn down the thermostat, but to raise it to Hawaiian tropic standards.

354 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:07:06am

The floor is not sweeping itself nor is the laundry folding itself.

Later, loverly Lizards!

355 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:07:25am

re: #331 LGoPs

I cetainly agree and would point out that the corollary of that mantra is that Republicans are stupid. Both theories reflect more on the ignorance of those that espouse them than on any reality.

During the election I got into numerous debates with Dems who insisted that Repubs were stupid. Rich and stupid, no less. They didn't see how those too accusations, were perhaps, contradictory.

356 poteen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:07:28am

re: #327 MandyManners

I wonder what Jefferson and Franklin would make of the US today.

“I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.”


Jefferson

I think dismay would describe.

357 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:07:36am

Narcissism, affect & wound

Affect has to do with how a person presents. If a person has emotions that are all over the place, you can see it in the affect. This is called “labile.” In the video below we are watching what is called “flat affect.” If you watch, you can see where the gaze is directed while thinking happens, and also notice how little eye contact is being made with the interviewer.

People with this kind of “presenting” are in their minds a lot. You can tell this is a thinking type. But the words are “rambling” — and not necessarily cohesive? In other words there is a disconnect. Also my sense is that there is great sadness locked behind this individual. Even though the affect is flat, you get the sense the individual is in “pain.”

The video link embedded on the page is blocked, so here it is directly. Note the flat even tone & the slack face while Obama talks about his "greatest moral failure". He could be reading the phone book. Contrast that with McCain's response to the same question; he emotes a great deal of real emotion: humility, pain and humor.

358 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:07:38am

re: #354 MandyManners

The floor is not sweeping itself nor is the laundry folding itself.

Later, loverly Lizards!


Later, Mandy.

359 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:07:40am

re: #346 MandyManners

Like the guys in the locker room who brag about their sexual prowess. Are they really getting all that much?

Precisely right. Bragging about prowess is inversely proportional to the amount of action experienced.

360 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:08:03am

re: #51 Mad Al-Jaffee

Every time Mandy posts this, I picture Lucy from the Peanuts cartoons yelling it.

I picture Honey Bunny at the diner in Pulp Fiction announcing this just before adding "Any of you f***** pr**** move and I'll execute every mo*******ng last one of you".

361 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:08:04am

re: #350 MandyManners

It's good to be the King!

I'm still waiting for History of the World, Part Two.

362 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:08:12am

re: #336 realwest

Indeed, I think avanti is right here: Obama IS smart.
But, as I said in my #289 he really doesn't "get" history (to the extent he understands it) and he really doesn't like or respect America.
And why the hell should he? He was a community orgainizer who got into the Illinois State Senate and then the US Senate - well what the fuck does that prove? Al Franken - AL FRANKEN got into the US Senate too.
The fact is he doesn't see America - a strong America as a force for good in the world. And that fact ALONE tells you all you need to know about President Obama.

Al Franken, Biden, and Obama...perfect spokespeople for the "If I can do it... for SURE ANYONE and I do mean ANYONE can do it to..." meme...

363 DaChew  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:08:13am

Obama is weak and the Russians can smell it.

364 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:08:14am

re: #341 Dianna

Heir Apparent is usually the nearest relative to the holder of the monarchy. Heir Presumptive has been acknowledged and confirmed.

Of course, there's a chance I've got that precisely backwards, knowing me. I remember that there's a difference, and one is a legal position.

Joe Biden is the Heir Transparent.

365 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:08:25am

The Garbage State rates the economy as well, garbage. [Link: rs6.net...]

366 J.S.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:08:47am

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

speaking of the s-l-o-w-d-o-w-n...I had to stop using Internet Explorer as web browser...but the slowdown I experienced didn't come with page requests, but with posting comments, I could not post a comment in a timely fashion -- huge delays, would type a letter and wait (minutes to see a letter appear, etc.) I've switched over to FireFox, and no problem..

367 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:09:37am

re: #319 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Usually they say something like "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me."

Can you believe that idiot is now a senator?

Idiot response: "Yes, Stuart Smalley won. We like him. Because we're good enough, and we're smart enough to vote for him, and gosh darn it, I'm an idiot!"

368 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:09:38am

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did she have a comment about the fact that the Maya went out of business due to drought related to the end of the Medieval Warming period?

369 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:09:52am

Well y'all reading about Obama's deficiencies as the Leader of the Free World hasn't exactly been fun, but in any event I've enjoyed most of the comments made out here - LGFer's are not only intelligent, but they do research and can analyze matters that don't pertain JUST TO THEMSELVES. For that I'd like to thank you all very, very much. I just wish my contributions could have matched most of yours for intelligence, wit and perspective.
But I gotta go mush some lunch now - well, after my stomach unknots itself anyway and so I'll say so long for now.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

370 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:09:58am

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I actually met one of those Mayan calender nuts. She didn't like my assertation that the Mayans looked over their work and said "Guys, I think we're good for now. We can make some more if we need them later."

Someone else suggested that the guy making the calendar got tired one day and said 'aw fuck, I'm tire of this stupid calendar......let somebody else finish it'.

371 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:10:04am

re: #302 nyc redneck

where are the records of his grades and accomplishments?
if the narcissist had actual proof of his academic honors that 'evidence' would be splashed everywhere by o, himself, and his accomplices in the msm.

we are told o is a genius and expected to believe that while he stutters incoherently trying to answer the most simple question.

i call bullshit on this buffoon being a genius.

I call bullshevik.

372 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:10:27am

re: #355 VioletTiger

During the election I got into numerous debates with Dems who insisted that Repubs were stupid. Rich and stupid, no less. They didn't see how those too accusations, were perhaps, contradictory.

I was guilty of assuming that stereotype, at least about some on the religious right. I have since learned that not everyone on the right is a anti science, creationist. BTW, not everyone on the left is a Commie, America hater either.

373 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:10:33am

re: #369 realwest

Bye' {real} Have a good afternoon!

374 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:11:11am

re: #366 J.S.

IE is not safe. Never was, never will be. Raisins of functionality floating in a rice pudding made of shit.

375 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:11:21am

re: #367 midwestgak

Can you believe that idiot is now a senator?

Idiot response: "Yes, Stuart Smalley won. We like him. Because we're good enough, and we're smart enough to vote for him, and gosh darn it, I'm an idiot!"

I once predicted that the Republicans could have run the late Harold Stassen's hairpiece as a candidate for the senate and still beat Franken.

Something is seriously wrong here.

376 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:11:27am
377 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:11:59am
378 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:12:18am

re: #366 J.S.

speaking of the s-l-o-w-d-o-w-n...I had to stop using Internet Explorer as web browser...but the slowdown I experienced didn't come with page requests, but with posting comments, I could not post a comment in a timely fashion -- huge delays, would type a letter and wait (minutes to see a letter appear, etc.) I've switched over to FireFox, and no problem..

And I switched to Safari, many, many month ago. The slowdown I am talking about, the slowdown I am having a a number of other Lizards have reported, has nothing to do with the browser you are using, since this has been reported on a number of different browsers.

I myself tested this on IE and of course Safari which I use. Same problem.

379 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:12:23am

Damn its hot in Boston today. We might even break 70. 69 at the moment.

380 jotalot  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:12:46am

Someone hand Pelosi a Websters so she can look up "legend".

381 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:13:19am

re: #370 eschew_obfuscation

Someone else suggested that the guy making the calendar got tired one day and said 'aw fuck, I'm tire of this stupid calendar......let somebody else finish it'.

I've said that too

382 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:13:22am

re: #372 avanti

I was guilty of assuming that stereotype, at least about some on the religious right. I have since learned that not everyone on the right is a anti science, creationist. BTW, not everyone on the left is a Commie, America hater either.

I would also note that there are many, many stupid people on the left, and many stupid people aren't the slightest bit religious.

383 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:13:25am

re: #350 MandyManners

It's good to be the King!

Out in the fever swamps of conspiracy theories, the abode of people who make A. Jones look sane, Charlie is considered a leading candidate for anti-Christ, with a monumental statue of Charles as winged demon already planned by the usual suspects.
I myself have never been publicly accused of being the anti-Christ, but a prominent televangelist did accuse me of being Stan himself one time. I had called the rascal out over some common sleight of hand tricks he was using in his "healing" ministry.
I responded that if Satan did make a personal appearance, he would undoubtedly choose to be taller and have better hair than my humble self. Pointing to the evangelist and his entourage, I added, "Actually, he'd look a lot like you guys." At that point, I was hustled to the door by two of the goons and ejected from the service.

384 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:13:28am

re: #365 Shr_Nfr

The Garbage State rates the economy as well, garbage. [Link: rs6.net...]


Garbage? That was harsh, Shr....not necessarily untrue, but harsh. ;)

We will be trying our very best to oust Corzine. He's raising taxes all over, including tax on wine and beer.

385 StillAMarine  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:14:04am

It is not a matter of Obama's intelligence, or even his wisdom, or lack of either. What we see is a person who is so narcissistic that he cannot see anything except in terms of himself. Then, his questionable decisions are the result of his own world view, not of reality. That makes his behavior seem irrational or even stupid by people who have some grounding in reality. Thus the discussion of his intelligence, wisdom, or lack of either.

386 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:14:56am

re: #372 avanti

I was guilty of assuming that stereotype, at least about some on the religious right. I have since learned that not everyone on the right is a anti science, creationist. BTW, not everyone on the left is a Commie, America hater either.

I agree.

387 J.S.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:15:03am

re: #378 Walter L. Newton

hmm...odd...(no doubt a different problem -- although this slowdown in the comments' box also comes and goes...Several months ago it occurred, then cleared up, now returned).

388 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:15:04am

re: #367 midwestgak

Can you believe that idiot is now a senator?

Idiot response: "Yes, Stuart Smalley won. We like him. Because we're good enough, and we're smart enough to vote for him, and gosh darn it, I'm an idiot!"

After seeing Klobuchar with Andrea Mitchell, Franken might be there better Senator.

389 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:15:06am

re: #367 midwestgak

Can you believe that idiot is now a senator?

Idiot response: "Yes, Stuart Smalley won. We like him. Because we're good enough, and we're smart enough to vote for him, and gosh darn it, I'm an idiot!"

And since you brought up Comrade Dumass:

This was originally posted on a site that no longer exists except in the Internet Archive:

Daily Affirmations for your Inner Pirate

Once you've gotten in touch with your inner pirate, the job is not over. Remember to consult the Affirmations for your Inner Pirate:

Stuart Smalley's Daily Affirmations for the Inner Pirate

Monday:

"I'm going to rape and pillage today just for the heck of it because, gosh darn it, I deserve to have a good time."

Tuesday:

"I am not a fraud, a thief yes, but not a fraud."

Wednesday:

"I deserve all the loot and booty I can carry without feeling ashamed or being grandiose."

Thursday:

"I will express my feelings today. I will not hide them behind my eyepatch. My eyepatch is not a mask for my feelings, but rather a small swatch of leather that covers a hideous scar."

Friday:

"When I overtake that merchants vessel, I will not be playing those parent tapes in my head: "You wield a cutlass like a girl" . . . "Why can't you be more like Blackbeard's son?" . . . "Philosophy? What kind of major is that? It's useless!"

Saturday:

"Just because I indulge in wine and wenches does not mean I'm an alcoholic sex-addict like my father."

Sunday:

"If I must violently put down a mutiny today, it is not because I am a bad person or that I am not worthy of love; it is because my crew are a bunch of yellow-bellied, lily-livered sons-of-whores--and I am mean enough, ruthless enough, and dog gone it, people fear me."

transcribed by James R. Torrence

Arrrrrr...

390 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:16:33am

re: #302 nyc redneck

where are the records of his grades and accomplishments?
if the narcissist had actual proof of his academic honors that 'evidence' would be splashed everywhere by o, himself, and his accomplices in the msm.

we are told o is a genius and expected to believe that while he stutters incoherently trying to answer the most simple question.

i call bullshit on this buffoon being a genius.


I don't think that he is unusually bright, which is not the same as stupid.
He is not stupid, but I believe that his towering intellect is a myth fueled by unqustioned adulation. Is it unreasonable to believe that he benefited from Affirmative Action?
Michelle complained bitterly that she wrote a bad ACT, yet she got into the Ivy League.

391 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:16:40am

re: #382 capitalist piglet

I would also note that there are many, many stupid people on the left, and many stupid people aren't the slightest bit religious.

Oddly, the polling show that the Democrats support is highest by the lowest and highest education levels. If you dropped out of HS, you are more likely a Dem, and the same if you have a post graduate degree.

392 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:16:45am

Sorry y'all - hadda come back for this one: we all know the state of disarray that the GOP finds itself in, right?
So how come Likely Voters trust Republicans more than Democrats on 8 out of 10 key issues, including the economy and taxes!
(it's from Rasmussen - and the story and link are in the spin off links above).

393 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:16:45am
394 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:16:52am

re: #360 Pianobuff

We should have a Photoshop contest with different people/cartoon characters, etc. yelling Mandy's mantra.

395 jotalot  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:16:57am

StillAMarine....yes. He has no appetite for any morsel that does not feed the ego.

396 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:18:03am

Ugly "crop circle" Image: Field_300x200.jpg

Created by an Italian "artist" in 90 min.

397 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:18:54am

re: #357 Kenneth

Narcissism, affect & wound

The video link embedded on the page is blocked, so here it is directly. Note the flat even tone & the slack face while Obama talks about his "greatest moral failure". He could be reading the phone book. Contrast that with McCain's response to the same question; he emotes a great deal of real emotion: humility, pain and humor.


[Video]

do you remember that video of o being interviewed by some reporter early on abt. the economy and o was laughing his ass off and when asked why he thought it appropriate to laugh, he said it was "gallows" humor and nothing more. and then continued to laugh.
his response to massive lay offs and home foreclosures was uncontrolled laughter. guffawing like a lunatic.
obviously he could not relate at all to the suffering of the citizens of this country.
he does not feel real emotions abt. real things like most people do.

398 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:19:03am

re: #391 avanti

Oddly, the polling show that the Democrats support is highest by the lowest and highest education levels. If you dropped out of HS, you are more likely a Dem, and the same if you have a post graduate degree.

I had to look twice at your post, and you did phrase it correct - by lowest and highest education levels.

I would suggest that HS dropouts are not necessarily stupid; and those with a post-graduate degree are not necessarily smarter than anyone else.

399 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:19:19am

re: #372 avanti

I was guilty of assuming that stereotype, at least about some on the religious right. I have since learned that not everyone on the right is a anti science, creationist. BTW, not everyone on the left is a Commie, America hater either.

The ones on the left that are not Commies and Socialist are dead.
/

400 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:19:33am
401 J.S.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:19:33am

re: #396 Shr_Nfr

CNN showed that one yesterday...(although the CNN people were expressing their deep admiration -- not noting how ugly it looks..)

402 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:19:37am

re: #390 opnion

Michelle complained bitterly that she wrote a bad ACT, yet she got into the Ivy League.

There's something that bothers me about that complaint of Michelle's. The Ivy League schools usually do not use the ACT, IIRC, but prefer the SAT.

403 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:20:00am

re: #200 avanti

I think you can question his judgment, but his IQ is probably fairly high. The average LSAT score at Harvard when he attented was 171, and he graduated with honors, so that was above average. If his LSAT was even average, he could be a MENSA.
Most estimates were from a pessimistic 130 up to the 160's IQ. The fact that mom and dad were bright, increases the odds that he not short on IQ, but smart folks can make dumb decisions.
I think assuming he is dumb, could be a mistake.

Too bad we can't see his LSAT scores, his transcripts, or any of his work.

404 samsgran1948  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:20:11am

He has made every Sixties-era hippie-dippie peacenik's wet dreams come true -- disarming the US.

Never mind that the Soviet Union no longer exists. Never mind that Russian nukes aren't the problem. It just doesn't matter to him that the real problems are Iran, Pakistan and NorK.

It's been said many times that armies always fight the last war, not the current one. Barry is fighting his mentors' last war. All he needs to do is stand up and holler "Hey, hey, LBJ! How many babies did you kill today?"

405 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:20:11am

re: #378 Walter L. Newton

Walter.

All these bells and whistles that we love so much? The updings and downdings? The super-neato auto update? Those rotating ads?

They cost something.

Speed.

406 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:20:11am

The Power of Pee

Because it’s the universe’s most abundant element, hydrogen is a good candidate for a renewable energy source. But there’s a problem: the finicky element is difficult to manage. Storing it in its pure form is a hassle that requires high pressure and low temperature, and unbinding it from paired elements used to stabilize it comes with significant secondary energy costs.

Fortunately, though, there’s urine to the rescue.

Gerardine Botte, an Ohio University professor, sees the liquid as a solution thanks to the particular composition of its major component, urea. Its make-up, a 2-to-1 ratio of hydrogen and nitrogen, is convenient because hydrogen can be extracted from nitrogen using much less electricity than that needed to, say, pull apart hydrogen and oxygen. (It’s a matter of 0.037 Volts versus 1.23 Volts, if you really need to know.)

407 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:20:39am

re: #390 opnion

I don't think that he is unusually bright, which is not the same as stupid.
He is not stupid, but I believe that his towering intellect is a myth fueled by unqustioned adulation. Is it unreasonable to believe that he benefited from Affirmative Action?
Michelle complained bitterly that she wrote a bad ACT, yet she got into the Ivy League.

With the unquestioning adoration of the MFM, Donald Fucking Duck would be considered brilliant, as long as he had a (D) after his name.

408 JustABill  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:20:59am
409 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:21:02am

re: #389 The Other Les

Stuart Smalley: I'm going to die homeless and penniless. I'm still twenty-five pounds overweight. No one will ever love me. I could just kill myself.

Well, THAT hasn't happened.

410 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:21:25am

re: #406 NJDhockeyfan

The Power of Pee

Obama and Democrats are sure pissing on us.

411 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:22:05am

re: #396 Shr_Nfr

Ugly "crop circle" [Link: media.nzherald.co.nz...]

Created by an Italian "artist" in 90 min.

Proof! Obama was elected by aliens!

///

412 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:22:28am

re: #403 kansas

Too bad we can't see his LSAT scores, his transcripts, or any of his work.

He's a friggin' rocket scientist.....too bad he's wrong on everything.....

I seem recall another Democrat with a very high IQ who was a pathetic President.....what was his name? Oh yes, it was JIMMAH......high IQ, stupid political moves

413 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:22:46am

re: #396 Shr_Nfr

Ugly "crop circle" [Link: media.nzherald.co.nz...]

Created by an Italian "artist" in 90 min.

Not very flattering.

414 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:23:12am

re: #403 kansas

Too bad we can't see his LSAT scores, his transcripts, or any of his work.

Just like Kerry and his full military record, nothing about Obama is ever going to see the light of day. I am not a nirther by any means, but I believe there is something in his school records that is either extremely embarrassing like some very poor grades or something potentially harmful to his career like he applied for foreign student aid just to get some extra bucks.

415 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:23:30am

re: #408 JustABill

Excellent link for Palin detractors...

Can you believe the gall of these Sarah Palin cultists? Presidential aspirations? This is a woman who named one of her kids "Track," for God's sake. (Well, if it really is her kid.)

Course we just got through worshiping some pedophile who named one of his kids "Blanket."

416 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:23:34am

re: #413 redstateredneck

Not very flattering.

What do you expect in 90 minutes?

417 opnion  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:23:34am

re: #402 Honorary Yooper

There's something that bothers me about that complaint of Michelle's. The Ivy League schools usually do not use the ACT, IIRC, but prefer the SAT.

Uh, she may have said SAT, in which case I'm wrong.

418 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:23:42am

re: #398 reine.de.tout

I had to look twice at your post, and you did phrase it correct - by lowest and highest education levels.

I would suggest that HS dropouts are not necessarily stupid; and those with a post-graduate degree are not necessarily smarter than anyone else.


Excellent point, Reine, m'dear.

419 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:23:53am

re: #398 reine.de.tout

I had to look twice at your post, and you did phrase it correct - by lowest and highest education levels.

I would suggest that HS dropouts are not necessarily stupid; and those with a post-graduate degree are not necessarily smarter than anyone else.

I was careful to not infer intelligence based on education for the reasons you mentioned. The most consistent voter block for the GOP is the weekly church goer and some in that group are the most polarizing to the middle and left.

420 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:23:57am

Changed my mind about not posting this link to the Charlie is the Anti-Christ nuts.
These characters naturally have a "Health Store" featuring a complete line of natural supplements.

Since World War I, the Illuminati has designed methods by which they would "increase the death rate", in addition to war. Gaining control of the food supply and of the medical establishment was high on their priority list. Prior to World War II, they finally achieved complete control of those industries. Gradually since the end of World War II, the Illuminati has created a medical industry which is based upon chemical medicines from the huge multi-national Pharmaceutical companies. Have you noticed that doctors love to write prescriptions for any and all ailments? They do this because they are simply following the training they received in medical collage. Many doctors today are, for the most part, unaware that they are really hurting people, because the Illuminati has control of the medical colleges from which doctors get their training and their certification.

421 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:24:04am

re: #393 buzzsawmonkey

I see you finally got around to posting that here. What took you so long?

422 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:24:13am

re: #408 JustABill

Excellent link for Palin detractors...

Here I thought you were going to go with the Levi Johnston as a Palin insider story.

[Link: www.comcast.net...]

423 truth stick  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:24:44am

re: #17 Ward Cleaver

"Look, I've thrown down my weapon. Now you throw yours down."

- barry

/yeah right

now that wouldn't be a very fair fight, as he would be left with is his wits.

424 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:25:16am

re: #396 Shr_Nfr

Ugly "crop circle" [Link: media.nzherald.co.nz...]

Created by an Italian "artist" in 90 min.

Is he sure he used Obama for his model, or was it his evil white twin?

425 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:25:33am

re: #397 nyc redneck

Yes, I remember that video. It was chilling. Obama had instinctively calculated how the economic crisis hurt the GOP and helped his campaign. He was literally jumping for joy.

People suffering? Whatever... but the important thing is I win!

426 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:25:42am
427 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:26:03am

re: #414 JohnnyReb

I think he may have gotten in some trouble for something. The most simple explanation is usually correct.

428 SurferDoc  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:26:10am

Sing:

"Nobody knows
The damage I've done.

Nobody knows
But Krauthammer..."

429 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:26:15am

re: #406 NJDhockeyfan

That's cool!

430 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:26:37am

re: #425 Kenneth

Yes, I remember that video. It was chilling. Obama had instinctively calculated how the economic crisis hurt the GOP and helped his campaign. He was literally jumping for joy.

People suffering? Whatever... but the important thing is I win!

Never let a good crisis go to waste....that's what I hear, at least

431 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:26:39am

re: #419 avanti

I was careful to not infer intelligence based on education for the reasons you mentioned. The most consistent voter block for the GOP is the weekly church goer and some in that group are the most polarizing to the middle and left.

And you are so slyly saying that conservative church goers are not intelligent. Bullshit.

432 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:26:47am

Arrested Development

Uncle Jimbo published the template for every Obama speech given overseas.

Greetings great and mighty culture, I am the Obama leader of New America. I am a cultured, urbane, black man with a Muslim name and I carry no baggage.

Your culture is great and wonderful, your poets brilliant, I will now quote one I have never read. Your food wonderful, I will now mention a dish I have never eaten.

Our countries have had issues in the past and they were all the fault of the old America, run by old white men.

Your country has done no wrong and any history of atrocities or rapaciousness or repression was just a reaction to Western meddling

I apologize on behalf of the old white men who wronged you.

New America will not judge you, we will not pretend our free culture is better than your backward, tyranny.

We just want you to like me us.

433 Baier  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:26:51am

re: #412 Desert Dog

He's a friggin' rocket scientist.....too bad he's wrong on everything.....

I seem recall another Democrat with a very high IQ who was a pathetic President.....what was his name? Oh yes, it was JIMMAH......high IQ, stupid political moves

Some of the people with high IQs I know are also among the stupidest, though that isn't always the case, some are lazy.

434 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:26:57am

OT -

What does anyone know (especially Texas lizards) about Gail Lowe of Lampasas, appointed by Gov. Rick Perry as chairwoman of the State Board of Education?

435 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:27:08am

re: #427 VioletTiger

I think he may have gotten in some trouble for something. The most simple explanation is usually correct.

Simplest explanation is that he had crappy grades and his writings would be an embarrassment.

436 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:27:20am

re: #424 Desert Dog

Is he sure he used Obama for his model, or was it his evil white twin?


LMAO!

437 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:27:29am

re: #420 Shiplord Kirel

Changed my mind about not posting this link to the Charlie is the Anti-Christ nuts.
These characters naturally have a "Health Store" featuring a complete line of natural supplements.

Then how do they explain the huge increase in life expectancy since World War I?

438 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:27:30am

re: #403 kansas

Too bad we can't see his LSAT scores, his transcripts, or any of his work.

He's been consistent about all of that, and I think it's great strategy. Once he releases the records, the right will stop wasting their time chasing the issue, and might look at real issues. His birth certificate is the best example of a time waster issue.

439 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:27:58am

re: #434 Ward Cleaver

OT -

What does anyone know (especially Texas lizards) about Gail Lowe of Lampasas, appointed by Gov. Rick Perry as chairwoman of the State Board of Education?

Charles had a thread yesterday (or the day before), I think. Theres a video of her stating the earth is 6K years old

440 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:28:12am

re: #431 Walter L. Newton

And you are so slyly saying that conservative church goers are not intelligent. Bullshit.

Avanti has gotten much more sly with his slams. That's why his Karma has improved. The Lizards have fallen for it.

441 Baier  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:28:20am

re: #438 avanti

He's been consistent about all of that, and I think it's great strategy. Once he releases the records, the right will stop wasting their time chasing the issue, and might look at real issues. His birth certificate is the best example of a time waster issue.

For once I agree with you. I am curious, but who cares...Bush was a bad student but an alright leader.

442 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:28:31am

re: #428 SurferDoc

Sing:

"Nobody knows
The damage I've done.

Nobody knows
But Krauthammer..."

Plenty of thinly-veiled Jew-hatred ("neocons" and "Zionist defender" crap) in the comments on Krauthammer's op-ed.

443 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:28:33am

re: #407 LGoPs

With the unquestioning adoration of the MFM, Donald Fucking Duck would be considered brilliant, as long as he had a (D) after his name.

That reminds me of something amusing, though off topic:

In Hampton Sides' book Ghost Soldiers: American prisoners at one of the camps in the Philippines after the Death March, in an attempt to gain favor, flattered a Japanese guard by telling him that he looked like a Hollywood star, Donald Duck. It apparently worked, as he was quite proud of himself...until one evening when the film reel they were showing was a cartoon starring Mr. Duck, and the guard happened to be watching.

Apparently, he wasn't friendly to them after that.

444 StillAMarine  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:28:57am

Well, gotta get back to work. Happy Friday, All.

445 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:29:00am

re: #439 sattv4u2

Charles had a thread yesterday (or the day before), I think. Theres a video of her stating the earth is 6K years old

I thought that was someone else?

446 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:29:05am

re: #434 Ward Cleaver

OT -

What does anyone know (especially Texas lizards) about Gail Lowe of Lampasas, appointed by Gov. Rick Perry as chairwoman of the State Board of Education?

Wasn't there a thread on this a few days ago?

447 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:29:05am

re: #431 Walter L. Newton

And you are so slyly saying that conservative church goers are not intelligent. Bullshit.

Nice try Walter, but not biting.

448 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:29:11am

re: #53 lawhawk

Even when President Reagan was negotiating the INF treaty, missile defense was never included in the mix. Obama is throwing away poker chips without caring what value was contained therein, or what he was getting in return.

I recall a similar idiocy on Carter's part when he took the B1 Bomber off the table, prior to negotiations.. Even if he had no intention of ever building the thing, he could have exercised the brains to hold that close to his vest and not tell the other side. Djathink?
I'd love to play poker with either of thses idjits.
Unfortunately the country is playing poker with it's future, thanks to 52% of us.

449 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:29:25am

re: #419 avanti

I was careful to not infer intelligence based on education for the reasons you mentioned. The most consistent voter block for the GOP is the weekly church goer and some in that group are the most polarizing to the middle and left.

Because we are so scary. BOO!

450 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:29:34am

re: #438 avanti

He's been consistent about all of that, and I think it's great strategy. Once he releases the records, the right will stop wasting their time chasing the issue, and might look at real issues. His birth certificate is the best example of a time waster issue.

He just lies about the real issues too. So none of it matters.

451 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:29:35am

re: #427 VioletTiger

I think he may have gotten in some trouble for something. The most simple explanation is usually correct.

That is a distinct possibility also. He did admit to some drug usage in his college years.

452 pbird  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:29:56am

re: #266 MandyManners

Where will you find them in a cattle ranch?

Um, on cowshit?

453 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:30:02am

re: #391 avanti

Oddly, the polling show that the Democrats support is highest by the lowest and highest education levels. If you dropped out of HS, you are more likely a Dem, and the same if you have a post graduate degree.

So apparently, those lacking a spectrum of knowledge that is both broad and deep are more likely to be Democrats.

454 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:30:10am

re: #439 sattv4u2

Charles had a thread yesterday (or the day before), I think. Theres a video of her stating the earth is 6K years old

That was Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen.

455 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:30:27am

re: #448 LGoPs

Even when President Reagan was negotiating the INF treaty, missile defense was never included in the mix. Obama is throwing away poker chips without caring what value was contained therein, or what he was getting in return.

I recall a similar idiocy on Carter's part when he took the B1 Bomber off the table, prior to negotiations.. Even if he had no intention of ever building the thing, he could have exercised the brains to hold that close to his vest and not tell the other side. Djathink?
I'd love to play poker with either of thses idjits.
Unfortunately the country is playing poker with it's future, thanks to 52% of us.


It's all good because the whole world loves us now.////

456 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:30:39am

re: #446 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wasn't there a thread on this a few days ago?

No, that was an Arizona state senator, talking about environmental protection laws (on Wednesday).

457 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:31:05am

re: #438 avanti

He's been consistent about all of that, and I think it's great strategy. Once he releases the records, the right will stop wasting their time chasing the issue, and might look at real issues. His birth certificate is the best example of a time waster issue.

Actually that's a very interesting remark. Do you have insider information that it is really being done for that reason, is that something you read as opinion somewhere else or is that you own opinion?

Either way, thanks for the tip.

458 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:31:11am

re: #449 capitalist piglet

Because we are so scary. BOO!

Hah! BOO twice..........
LOL

459 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:31:12am

re: #445 Ward Cleaver

I thought that was someone else?

re: #445 Ward Cleaver

I thought that was someone else?

You're right . It was Cynthia Dunbar

Please ignore me early and often

460 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:31:23am
461 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:31:26am

re: #267 Shr_Nfr

Yes. Especially in that Charles married a Catholic. I have nothing against Catholics since I am everyone's heretic, but in theory, the King of England is the "Defender of the Faith".

It doesn't say which faith.

462 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:31:32am

re: #438 avanti

Well, if you're implying that he values some perceived political advantage over honesty and openness, then I'll agree.
His "transparent" Administration (and his mythologized past) are the biggest jokes ever played on the American people.

463 Dianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:31:32am

re: #439 sattv4u2

Charles had a thread yesterday (or the day before), I think. Theres a video of her stating the earth is 6K years old

That was a state senator from Arizona, satt.

464 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:32:13am

re: #438 avanti

He's been consistent about all of that, and I think it's great strategy. Once he releases the records, the right will stop wasting their time chasing the issue, and might look at real issues. His birth certificate is the best example of a time waster issue.

There are some on the right that are concerned about that nonsense. Most of us are more concerned about the new 5 Year Plan coming out of the Central Committee over at 1600 E. Pennsylvania.

465 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:33:01am

re: #438 avanti

He's been consistent about all of that, and I think it's great strategy. Once he releases the records, the right will stop wasting their time chasing the issue, and might look at real issues. His birth certificate is the best example of a time waster issue.

Then we can concentrate on the things he's lying about, instead of just the things he's hiding.

466 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:33:13am

re: #440 kansas

Avanti has gotten much more sly with his slams. That's why his Karma has improved. The Lizards have fallen for it.

You give me way more credit, then I am due.

467 donna quixote  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:33:49am

"Peace in our time" Chamberlain's words keep popping into my mind. We all know how that turned out.
'Krauthammer/Hanson* 2012.'.. I could vote for that ticket , especially with Bolton in the cabinet. (Oh for the return of Winston Churchill)
I continue to think all the VIP egos in Obama's administration may eventually cause a crisis.

468 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:34:12am

re: #447 avanti

Nice try Walter, but not biting.

No, I caught you, nice try on not answering an honest question, it makes you more transparent and tells me exactly what you think about conservative church goers without having to listen to a long drawn out tap dancing explanation from you.

469 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:34:16am

re: #461 Alouette

It doesn't say which faith.

Lately it's faith in Gaia.

470 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:34:18am

re: #448 LGoPs

52% of them. Obamaness was dealt a royal flush. He doesn't know whether to bet, bluff, check or hold.

471 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:34:43am

re: #469 Ward Cleaver

Lately it's faith in Gaia.

I thought it was faith in Allah.

472 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:34:58am

re: #466 avanti

You give me way more credit, then I am due.

You are correct. You're not devious, just very Very VERY ill informed and misguided, and I say that with all due respect!

473 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:35:03am

Nope, one yesterday as well

Texas Creationism Follies, the Sequel

474 SurferDoc  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:35:22am

re: #442 Ward Cleaver

Plenty of thinly-veiled Jew-hatred ("neocons" and "Zionist defender" crap) in the comments on Krauthammer's op-ed.

They are getting bolder.

475 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:35:42am

re: #448 LGoPs

Even when President Reagan was negotiating the INF treaty, missile defense was never included in the mix. Obama is throwing away poker chips without caring what value was contained therein, or what he was getting in return.

I recall a similar idiocy on Carter's part when he took the B1 Bomber off the table, prior to negotiations.. Even if he had no intention of ever building the thing, he could have exercised the brains to hold that close to his vest and not tell the other side. Djathink?
I'd love to play poker with either of thses idjits.
Unfortunately the country is playing poker with it's future, thanks to 52% of us.

A warm and fuzzy feeling that he did the "right" thing. Because, as you know, it's all about intentions, not results over there on that side of the line. He means well with this nuclear free mumbo-jumbo.....nevermind he is making us (and our new Eastern European allies) less safe. That doesn't matter. What really matters is Obama can feel good about himself.

476 tradewind  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:35:48am

TOTUS' predictable ' Let me be clear' preface whenever he is about to launch another murky premise is making me long for Dubya and his misspeaks.

477 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:36:16am
478 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:36:24am

re: #471 Alouette

I thought it was faith in Allah.

Only if the earth lasts more than 96 months.

479 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:36:28am

re: #419 avanti

I was careful to not infer intelligence based on education for the reasons you mentioned. The most consistent voter block for the GOP is the weekly church goer and some in that group are the most polarizing to the middle and left.

Damn....you've caught on. We have evil gangs of biker nuns just waiting to be unleashed on all you poor leftists.........Mmmmwahahahahah!
Shhhhhh........don't tell anybody or you'll foil our plot. Curses!
/ *you are so fucked in the head*

480 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:37:06am

re: #460 buzzsawmonkey

In other words, the Democrats are supported by those most dependent on the system--the poor and the academics--and those most likely to gain by gaming it.

Might be simpler then that. The lower education levels tend to be poorer, and like the handouts, the post grads have been attending liberal colleges for 6 years or so.

481 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:37:10am

re: #467 donna quixote

"Peace in our time" Chamberlain's words keep popping into my mind. We all know how that turned out.
'Krauthammer/Hanson* 2012.'.. I could vote for that ticket , especially with Bolton in the cabinet. (Oh for the return of Winston Churchill)
I continue to think all the VIP egos in Obama's administration may eventually cause a crisis.


We should be looking for crises every time he needs something ramrodded through the legislature. How is health care a crisis, health care is available to everyone. No one is left to die due to lack of ability to pay like happens in other countries, we are not experiencing outbreaks of deadly disease. More people due from the influenza virus every year than will ever die from H1N1. But hysteria sells better than simple education.

482 pbird  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:37:19am

re: #309 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I actually met one of those Mayan calender nuts. She didn't like my assertation that the Mayans looked over their work and said "Guys, I think we're good for now. We can make some more if we need them later."

I agree. Fer Pete's sake. I swear people can be like a yard full of chickens thinking they see a hawk, running from side to side.

483 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:37:38am

re: #434 Ward Cleaver

OT -

What does anyone know (especially Texas lizards) about Gail Lowe of Lampasas, appointed by Gov. Rick Perry as chairwoman of the State Board of Education?

She's a creationist, basically a less obnoxious, stealth version of the previous favorite, the batshit crazy Cynthia Dunbar.

484 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:37:39am

re: #406 NJDhockeyfan

The Power of Pee

I guess urine luck.

485 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:37:47am

re: #473 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope, one yesterday as well

Texas Creationism Follies, the Sequel

He skipped over her (Dunbar) and appointed Lowe.

486 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:37:52am

re: #434 Ward Cleaver

OT -

What does anyone know (especially Texas lizards) about Gail Lowe of Lampasas, appointed by Gov. Rick Perry as chairwoman of the State Board of Education?

Discussed last night; there's a whole thread devoted to it, below.

Short version: she's an insane theocrat.

487 zombie  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:37:52am

Woo-hoo!

Look at the top banner on the OrbusMax news site:

Obama Science Czar: Forced Abortions, Mass Sterilization Needed To Save Planet

Let the wildfire ignite!

488 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:38:16am

re: #472 sattv4u2

You are correct. You're not devious, just very Very VERY ill informed and misguided, and I say that with all due respect!

Since we are opposite sides of most issues, back at you. :)

489 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:38:18am

re: #479 LGoPs

Damn....you've caught on. We have evil gangs of biker nuns just waiting to be unleashed on all you poor leftists.........Mmmmwahahahahah!
Shhhhhh........don't tell anybody or you'll foil our plot. Curses!
/ *you are so fucked in the head*

Yes, them damn church goers are sooooo polarizing. Nobody over there on the left is polarizing, are they?

490 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:38:29am

OT: Cross-dressers steal woman’s credit card

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

491 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:38:58am

re: #476 tradewind

TOTUS' predictable ' Let me be clear' preface whenever he is about to launch another murky premise is making me long for Dubya and his misspeaks.

And then there's "the notion that somehow....." when about to rebut a criticism with a complete straw man argument.

492 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:39:20am

re: #487 zombie

Woo-hoo!

Look at the top banner on the OrbusMax news site:

Let the wildfire ignite!

You da man undead person of unspecified gender!

493 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:39:21am

re: #438 avanti

He's been consistent about all of that, and I think it's great strategy. Once he releases the records, the right will stop wasting their time chasing the issue, and might look at real issues. His birth certificate is the best example of a time waster issue.

no you are wrong abt. that. he is so needy and would jump at the chance to bask in the spot light and gain approval for his good grades.
he would hold up the evidence of his scholastic achievements and tap dance like a 2 year old. "look at me"
btw, we don't need his grades to determine how smart he is. they would be irrelevant. we have watched him. w/ out the prompter to read other people's words, he sounds like an imbecile. especially when the prompter fails and he stands there frozen grasping for the next word.
when sarah's prompter failed at the convention, she went right on w/ her train of thought, seamlessly, and no one even noticed.

494 Kragar  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:39:21am

re: #482 pbird

I agree. Fer Pete's sake. I swear people can be like a yard full of chickens thinking they see a hawk, running from side to side.

A hawk? SERPENTINE~~~~!

/takes off at a run

495 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:39:25am

re: #470 midwestgak

52% of them. Obamaness was dealt a royal flush. He doesn't know whether to bet, bluff, check or hold.

My bet is he wants to fold. Do what ever he wants and when it bites him in the ass blame Bush. Wouldn't it be fitting for Jeb Bush to hand 0 his as in 2012.

496 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:39:55am

In late (and just for a moment):

Obama's ego-driven hunger for a capital-L Legacy will get Americans killed.

His Presidency will go down in history as a disaster.

497 tradewind  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:39:57am

re: #491 eschew_obfuscation

Waiting for him to discover ' Let me be the first to disbuse you of the notion that'......

498 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:40:00am

re: #434 Ward Cleaver

OT -

What does anyone know (especially Texas lizards) about Gail Lowe of Lampasas, appointed by Gov. Rick Perry as chairwoman of the State Board of Education?

Here's Charles' thread on it, from yesterday.

499 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:40:05am
500 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:40:07am
501 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:40:35am

re: #480 avanti

Spin, spin, spin.

502 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:41:00am

re: #487 zombie

Woo-hoo!

Look at the top banner on the OrbusMax news site:

Let the wildfire ignite!

Ah details, details.....he didn't mean it. You know, like Bill Ayers....he got a little carried away in the emotions of the Vietnam War, but that was long ago. Let's let bygones be bygones, shall we? 1977 was a different time and things have changed.

/rationalizer off

503 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:41:05am
504 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:41:05am

re: #484 Mad Al-Jaffee

I guess urine luck.

I'm ammonia your side.

505 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:41:30am

re: #493 nyc redneck

no you are wrong abt. that. he is so needy and would jump at the chance to bask in the spot light and gain approval for his good grades.
he would hold up the evidence of his scholastic achievements and tap dance like a 2 year old. "look at me"
btw, we don't need his grades to determine how smart he is. they would be irrelevant. we have watched him. w/ out the prompter to read other people's words, he sounds like an imbecile. especially when the prompter fails and he stands there frozen grasping for the next word.
when sarah's prompter failed at the convention, she went right on w/ her train of thought, seamlessly, and no one even noticed.

Yeah, but he reads BOOKS!

tada!
///

506 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:41:56am

re: #489 Desert Dog

Yes, them damn church goers are sooooo polarizing. Nobody over there on the left is polarizing, are they?

A few days ago someone here asserted, quite seriously, that Sarah Palin was "filled with hate" and "makes enemies easily".

After she took hit after hit, kept smiling, and never stooped to their level, she was the problem, of course.

Un-frigging-real.

507 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:41:58am

re: #500 taxfreekiller

Dwight Yoakam , Windstar , Thackerville Okla, Friday July 10, 2009

be there or be no where

And Paulites... don't forget Paulites.

508 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:42:12am

re: #499 buzzsawmonkey

You are merely repeating what I said while trying to put a positive gloss on it.

He must have upgraded the patented avanti spin machine©.

509 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:42:21am
510 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:42:30am

re: #489 Desert Dog

Yes, them damn church goers are sooooo polarizing. Nobody over there on the left is polarizing, are they?

Look, we don't have a fairness doctrine on this blog. Of course some on the left are polarizing, and as I pointed out, not even all church goes are. I don't even care if someone is a creationist, church goer, as long as you don't try to teach it to my kid in a public school.

511 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:42:38am

re: #488 avanti

Since we are opposite sides of most issues, back at you. :)

wow , and I forgot to mention WITTY!

512 jaunte  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:42:41am

re: #491 eschew_obfuscation

And then there's "the notion that somehow....." when about to rebut a criticism with a complete straw man argument.

The President's rhetorical manipulation is becoming embarassingly transparent. Even Mara Liasson on NPR this morning was talking about how he transforms evil "special interests" into valued "stakeholders" when he want to persuade them instead of beat them up.

513 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:42:51am

re: #483 Shiplord Kirel

She's a creationist, basically a less obnoxious, stealth version of the previous favorite, the batshit crazy Cynthia Dunbar.

Well, bummer.

514 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:43:01am
515 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:43:02am

re: #505 eschew_obfuscation

Yeah, but he reads BOOKS!

tada!
///

And very deep, heavy reading at that.
One after the other.

516 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:43:16am

re: #510 avanti

Spin, spin, spin. You need to become a member of the media, you spin so well.

517 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:43:26am

re: #500 taxfreekiller

Dwight Yoakam , Windstar , Thackerville Okla, Friday July 10, 2009

be there or be no where

I love Dwight Yoakum.

518 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:43:31am

re: #466 avanti

You give me way more credit, then I am due.

Than.

519 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:43:50am

re: #486 SixDegrees

Discussed last night; there's a whole thread devoted to it, below.

Short version: she's an insane theocrat.

Are you thinking of Dunbar? Lowe seems to be not crazy, but still creationist.

520 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:43:52am

well....while we're discussing Sarah Palin and churchgoers, did they ever find out who torched Gov. Palin's church in Wasilla?

521 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:44:00am

re: #439 sattv4u2

Charles had a thread yesterday (or the day before), I think. Theres a video of her stating the earth is 6K years old

The Texas creationism thread was about a different loon, Cynthia Dunbar. The woman saying the earth is 6000 K years old was yet another one, Arizona state senator Sylvia Allen.
Ya' can't keep 'em straight without a program.

522 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:44:05am

In one of Obama's books (I think Dreams From My Father) he talks about doing cocaine in high school.
Could be some sort of drug-related disciplinary action on his Harvard record. Otherwise, I don't get his secrecy. You'd think a guy who was so "gifted" would be proud to show that he had made good on all the opportunities this Country presented him.

523 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:44:28am
524 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:44:28am

re: #512 jaunte

The President's rhetorical manipulation is becoming embarassingly transparent. Even Mara Liasson on NPR this morning was talking about how he transforms evil "special interests" into valued "stakeholders" when he want to persuade them instead of beat them up.

At least there is something transparent finally coming from President Transparent himself.

525 J.D.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:44:40am

Obama is stuck on the nuclear freeze fairy tale from his college days.

This is what we get when the majority elect as immature a person as Obama.

526 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:44:51am
527 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:45:03am

£6m drive to cut teen pregnancies sees them DOUBLE

A multi-million pound initiative to reduce teenage pregnancies more than doubled the number of girls conceiving.

The Government-backed scheme tried to persuade teenage girls not to get pregnant by handing out condoms and teaching them about sex.

But research funded by the Department of Health shows that young women who attended the programme, at a cost of £2,500 each, were 'significantly' more likely to become pregnant than those on other youth programmes who were not given contraception and sex advice.

A total of 16 per cent of those on the Young People's Development Programme conceived compared with just 6 per cent in other programmes.

Experts said the scheme failed because it introduced girls 'at risk' of becoming pregnant to promiscuous girls they might not otherwise have met.

Because of peer pressure, the more timid teenagers were more likely to have sex and become pregnant.

The £5.9million YPDP programme was also designed to slash cannabis use and drunkenness among teenagers, but made no difference whatsoever.

528 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:45:07am

re: #507 Walter L. Newton

And Paulites... don't forget Paulites.

and Neo-Nazis, skinheads, white supremacists, rightwing extremists, Nirthers and Birchers too......don't forget them......

Afterall, that is who attends those event, right?

529 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:45:15am

re: #489 Desert Dog

Yes, them damn church goers are sooooo polarizing. Nobody over there on the left is polarizing, are they?

Even if Avanti's terror of church goers had some basis in fact, the chance of gangs of nuns frogmarching people off to church on Sunday is no more than 50/50 in my humble opinion.....*insert world's biggest sarc tag here*.
The Left's religion, e.g., Cap and Trade, on the contrary, will have a draconian impact on all of us - believers or not.

530 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:45:21am

re: #503 buzzsawmonkey

Lane Bryant spending spree!

Better than a Lane Bryant shooting spree.

531 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:45:24am

re: #504 midwestgak

I'm ammonia your side.

I'm pissed, you guys get all the good puns.

532 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:45:32am

re: #512 jaunte

The President's rhetorical manipulation is becoming embarassingly transparent. Even Mara Liasson on NPR this morning was talking about how he transforms evil "special interests" into valued "stakeholders" when he want to persuade them instead of beat them up.

Perhaps you meant.... "when he wants to strong arm them in private instead of beat them up in public"?

533 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:45:33am

re: #487 zombie

Woo-hoo!

Look at the top banner on the OrbusMax news site:

Let the wildfire ignite!

I've never seen that site before. Very Drudge-ish.

534 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:45:54am

re: #525 J.D.

Obama is stuck on the nuclear freeze fairy tale from his college days.

This is what we get when the majority elect as immature a person as Obama.

That speaks so unflatteringly of the majority of the electorate, you know.

535 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:46:08am
536 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:46:10am

OT.

China is getting more and more desperate about it's dollar holdings:

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Sooner or later they are going to stop buying treasury notes and then we in deep doo doo.

537 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:46:16am
538 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:46:17am

re: #505 eschew_obfuscation

Yeah, but he reads BOOKS!

tada!
///

he reads teleprompters mostly.

539 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:46:28am

re: #487 zombie

Woo-hoo!

Look at the top banner on the OrbusMax news site:

Let the wildfire ignite!

Zombie!
Great.
Impressive as always.

540 jaunte  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:46:36am

re: #532 eschew_obfuscation

"That's real nice special interest you have there...
...
it'd be a real shame if something happened to it..."

541 J.D.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:46:37am

WARD!

542 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:46:43am

re: #517 redstateredneck

I love Dwight Yoakum.

I think I heard way back when that Dwight and Sharon Stone were an item. That pairing always puzzled me I must admit.

543 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:46:51am

re: #518 debutaunt

Than.

I've got a thing about that, too.

544 J.D.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:46:58am

re: #534 FurryOldGuyJeans

That speaks so unflatteringly of the majority of the electorate, you know.

Yeah.
The truth hurts.

545 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:47:02am

re: #516 FurryOldGuyJeans

Spin, spin, spin. You need to become a member of the media, you spin so well.

He probably spent too many hours on the Sit-and-Spin as a child.

546 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:47:08am

re: #531 turn

I'm pissed, you guys get all the good puns.

Potty mouth.

547 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:47:08am

re: #526 taxfreekiller

stfu

Well TFK, I purposely left a sarcasm tag off of my comment, just to see what would be the reaction from both the anti-paulites and the paulites. I was interested in the response.

You exposed your hand.

548 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:47:12am

re: #519 Ward Cleaver

Are you thinking of Dunbar? Lowe seems to be not crazy, but still creationist.

You're correct. My bad.

All creationists look alike to me.

549 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:47:23am

re: #534 FurryOldGuyJeans

That speaks so unflatteringly of the majority of the electorate, you know.

C'est la vie!

550 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:47:28am

Kennedy-Townsend in Newsweek: Obama 'More Catholic' Than Pope

Newsweek took their criticism of Pope Benedict XVI to the next level on Thursday- not only did guest columnist Kathleen Kennedy-Townsend affirm that the pontiff could learn from President Obama (something Newsweek and their partners at the Washington Post agreed upon back in April), but also blasted the Bishop of Rome and the Catholic hierarchy for their supposed “disdain” towards women and homosexuals.

The former lieutenant governor of Maryland began her column, titled "Without a Doubt: Why Barack Obama represents American Catholics better than the pope does," with the context of the pope’s upcoming meeting with the American president, and how it was “much anticipated and in some circles frowned upon by American Catholics in the wake of Obama’s controversial Notre Dame commencement speech in May.” She then laid out her central thesis about these two leaders: “In truth, though, Obama’s pragmatic approach to divisive policy...and his social-justice agenda reflect the views of American Catholic laity much more closely than those vocal bishops and pro-life activists...[T]hey’ll politely disagree about reproductive freedoms and homosexuality, but Catholics back home won’t care, because they know Obama’s on their side. In fact, Obama’s agenda is closer to their views than even the pope’s.”

/so, does TOTUS get to wear the Pope hat now?

551 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:47:47am

re: #533 Ward Cleaver

I've never seen that site before. Very Drudge-ish.

I thought the same thing too, in fact I've added it to my favorites already. Nice work zombie, and thanks for the new link.

552 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:47:49am

Later Lizards, need to work on a fence.

553 zombie  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:48:03am

re: #533 Ward Cleaver

I've never seen that site before. Very Drudge-ish.

I think he's trying to be the poor man's Drudge. Well, he's trying to be exactly like Drudge, but so far he's just the poor man's Drudge.

Hell, good enough for me, since the rich man's Drudge is very hard to break into!

554 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:48:08am

re: #522 Lincolntf

In one of Obama's books (I think Dreams From My Father) he talks about doing cocaine in high school.
Could be some sort of drug-related disciplinary action on his Harvard record. Otherwise, I don't get his secrecy. You'd think a guy who was so "gifted" would be proud to show that he had made good on all the opportunities this Country presented him.


Wonder how he's gonna spin that in the abridged children's version of that book that he signed a $500,000.00 advance contract on days before his inauguration.

555 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:48:19am

re: #531 turn

I'm pissed, you guys get all the good puns.

Infinitely better to be pissed off than pissed on.

556 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:48:34am

re: #534 FurryOldGuyJeans

That speaks so unflatteringly of the majority of the electorate, you know.

When we have folks who take on a $400,000 mortgage making $400 a week and blame the evil mortgage companies when they can't pay, why is it a stretch to get the ultimate blame game President we are stuck with now?

557 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:48:53am

re: #550 Killian Bundy

Kennedy-Townsend in Newsweek: Obama 'More Catholic' Than Pope

/so, does TOTUS get to wear the Pope hat now?

Well, if you asked the University of Notre Dame which of the two (Obama/Pope) is more Catholic, they'd probably agree with Newsweek.

558 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:48:54am

re: #550 Killian Bundy

Kennedy-Townsend in Newsweek: Obama 'More Catholic' Than Pope

/so, does TOTUS get to wear the Pope hat now?

What a bunch of bullshit. Figures this would come from Kennedy scum.

559 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:48:57am

re: #546 midwestgak

Potty mouth.

He's flush with puns.

560 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:49:12am

re: #510 avanti

Look, we don't have a fairness doctrine on this blog. Of course some on the left are polarizing, and as I pointed out, not even all church goes are. I don't even care if someone is a creationist, church goer, as long as you don't try to teach it to my kid in a public school.

My sarcasm aside, I would submit that church goers are more tolerant than the rabid left. There is no room for compromise with a larger segment of the left. Instead, they demonize, mock, and marginalize any thought coming from the right. There are many on the right that are the same way with their beliefs, but those numbers are puny compared to the strict "dogma" of the left.

561 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:49:15am
562 J.D.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:49:15am

re: #535 buzzsawmonkey

Mmmmmmmmmmmm, nuclear freeze. In a waffle cone, with genuine Carter jimmies.

Yuuuuuuum yum!

563 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:49:18am

re: #546 midwestgak

Potty mouth.

I know, it leaks.

564 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:49:18am

re: #552 avanti

Trying to shut out the reality Our Man Obama is worse than a joke, eh?

565 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:49:34am

re: #515 reine.de.tout

And very deep, heavy reading at that.
One after the other.

he is an expert in poetry from remote areas of paw-kee-staun.

566 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:49:45am

Sorting out the Creo-crazies (all GOP women):

Gail Lowe, appointed today to head the Texas SBOE
Cynthia Dunbar, the previous favorite for the appointment, subject of an LGF string yesterday.
Sylvia Allen, Arizona state senator who non-chalantly declared on video that the earth is just 6000 years old. Subject of an LGF string on Wednesday.

567 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:49:47am

re: #557 Pianobuff

Well, if you asked the University of Notre Dame which of the two (Obama/Pope) is more Catholic, they'd probably agree with Newsweek.

Wish we could get that sonofabitch at ND fired.

568 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:49:47am

re: #552 avanti

Later Lizards, need to work on a fence.

Not a job I would picket, have fun!

569 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:49:54am

re: #555 FurryOldGuyJeans

Infinitely better to be pissed off than pissed on.

All this toilet talk . . . . Wipe it off and be dung with it!

570 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:50:13am
571 kansas  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:50:28am

re: #552 avanti

Later Lizards, need to work on a fence.

Don't hurry back on my account.

572 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:50:32am

re: #520 Fenway_Nation

well....while we're discussing Sarah Palin and churchgoers, did they ever find out who torched Gov. Palin's church in Wasilla?

A peaceful activist, just trying to save the world from the hate-filled, scary [insert misogynistic but nonetheless Left-approved epithet here].

Next up, the severed head of a wolf in her bed. /godfather

573 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:50:38am

re: #568 turn

Not a job I would picket, have fun!

I rail against having to do fence repair.

574 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:50:57am

re: #554 redstateredneck

"When he got a bit older, Little Barry loved to play in the snow..."

575 tradewind  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:51:00am
We can reliably shoot down an intercontinental ballistic missile. They cannot. And since defensive weaponry will be the decisive strategic factor of the 21st century, Russia has striven mightily for a quarter-century to halt its development. Gorbachev tried to swindle Reagan out of the Strategic Defense Initiative at Reykjavik in 1986. Reagan refused. As did his successors -- Bush I, Clinton, Bush II.


How hard is this to understand?
And what part of it is refutable?
The mind reels.

576 Baier  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:51:06am

re: #536 JohnnyReb

OT.

China is getting more and more desperate about it's dollar holdings:

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Sooner or later they are going to stop buying treasury notes and then we in deep doo doo.

Today, we only exist as a world power because China allows us to. When I was getting my MBA the topic of China owning our debt came up quite a bit in economics classes. I take it seriously because the same two professors predicted the housing collapse. The stimulus is the nail Obama is holding for the Chinese to pound in to the coffin.

577 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:51:10am

re: #550 Killian Bundy

Kennedy-Townsend in Newsweek: Obama 'More Catholic' Than Pope

/so, does TOTUS get to wear the Pope hat now?

I'm certain the College of Cardinals is ruing their decision, and we will soon see white smoke issuing from the Vatican as they reverse themselves and bestow the office of God's Spokesman on Earth to 0.

578 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:51:10am

re: #550 Killian Bundy


"In truth, though, Obama’s pragmatic approach to divisive policy...and his social-justice agenda reflect the views of American Catholic laity much more closely than those vocal bishops and pro-life activists"

There's those words again.

Maybe by extension, Jerimiah Wright is a better Catholic than the pope....

/

579 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:51:20am

re: #535 buzzsawmonkey

Mmmmmmmmmmmm, nuclear freeze. In a waffle cone, with genuine Carter jimmies.

rotflmao

carter "jimmies"

580 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:51:38am

re: #543 redstateredneck

I've got a thing about that, too.

It wasn't a typo. It's a habit.

581 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:51:45am

re: #559 scottishbuzzsaw

He's flush with puns.

Frankly, I'm done with puns. Tank you.

582 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:51:54am

re: #555 FurryOldGuyJeans

Infinitely better to be pissed off than pissed on.

The friggin boob accidentally pissed on me the other day, boy do I know.

583 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:52:18am

re: #542 Pianobuff

I think I heard way back when that Dwight and Sharon Stone were an item. That pairing always puzzled me I must admit.

Ewww! I googled:

Dated Dwight Yoakam in the early 1990s, and was rather famously quoted as saying, "Kissing Dwight is like eating a dirt sandwich."


Her mama must not have taught her that if you can't say something nice about somebody, don't say anthing at all.

584 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:52:32am

re: #559 scottishbuzzsaw

He's flush with puns.

Hey, put a lid on it.

585 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:53:07am

re: #577 SixDegrees

I'm certain the College of Cardinals is ruing their decision, and we will soon see white smoke issuing from the Vatican as they reverse themselves and bestow the office of God's Spokesman on Earth to 0.

Or is it going to be that God will become the only being capable of understanding the word of 0. The rest of us are so not worthy of his greatness.

586 tradewind  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:53:33am

re: #535 buzzsawmonkey

And extra nuts.

587 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:53:37am

re: #573 Ward Cleaver

I rail against having to do fence repair.

I know, I get board doing it.

588 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:54:03am

re: #550 Killian Bundy

Kennedy-Townsend in Newsweek: Obama 'More Catholic' Than Pope

/so, does TOTUS get to wear the Pope hat now?

Oh, uh-uh!
Unbelievable.

589 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:54:05am
590 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:54:17am

re: #587 turn

I can't think of a good post to counter that...

591 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:54:36am

re: #580 debutaunt

It wasn't a typo. It's a habit.


I know. I've corrected you're and your so many times and been bitched out about picking on typos. Right....

592 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:54:45am

re: #579 nyc redneck

rotflmao

carter "jimmies"

I'll pass on the "jimmies".....But, I hear you can freeze a can of Billy Beer with a stick in it and enjoy a cool frosty Beer-sicle on a hot July afternoon though

593 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:55:03am

re: #581 midwestgak

Frankly, I'm done with puns. Tank you.

You just can't handle it.

594 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:55:10am

re: #510 avanti

Look, we don't have a fairness doctrine on this blog. Of course some on the left are polarizing, and as I pointed out, not even all church goes are. I don't even care if someone is a creationist, church goer, as long as you don't try to teach it to my kid in a public school.

If it happens, you can always home school

595 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:55:25am

re: #584 turn

Hey, put a lid on it.

We sure doo have an overflow of puns today.

596 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:55:26am

re: #569 midwestgak

All this toilet talk . . . . Wipe it off and be dung with it!

Gak!
You're on a roll . . .

597 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:55:40am

re: #585 soxfan4life

Or is it going to be that God will become the only being capable of understanding the word of 0. The rest of us are so not worthy of his greatness.

I'm sure 0 will next be angling to replace God. I mean, he's obviously the best man for the job, right? We don't want to be tied down by the failures of the past, after all.

598 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:55:46am

re: #552 avanti

Later Lizards, need to work on a fence.

Need to prop it up so your guy 0 can straddle it without fear of slipping one way or the other. Can't risk taking a concrete stand that can be used against his reelection campaign.

599 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:55:51am

re: #593 turn

You just can't handle it.

Let's not go round and round and round and down the drain with these puns now, ok?

600 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:56:02am

re: #576 Baier

Today, we only exist as a world power because China allows us to. When I was getting my MBA the topic of China owning our debt came up quite a bit in economics classes. I take it seriously because the same two professors predicted the housing collapse. The stimulus is the nail Obama is holding for the Chinese to pound in to the coffin.

They are getting serious lately. They really don't want us to fail because they own about $1.2 Trillion of our debt, but in the future, they will be willing to take the big hit and let us go down the drain. They don't have a choice because in the long run inflation is going to destroy what they have anyway.

601 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:56:19am

re: #593 turn

You just can't handle it.

I can if you jiggle it.

602 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:56:19am

re: #590 Fenway_Nation

I can't think of a good post to counter that...

I bet you red wood.

603 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:56:26am

re: #555 FurryOldGuyJeans

Infinitely better to be pissed off than pissed on.

Based on urinalyisis. Not mine.

604 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:56:53am

re: #584 turn

Hey, put a lid on it.

You've plunged me into darkness!

605 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:56:54am

For an administration (and lap-dog media) that is so loquacious about the level of sophistication and intelligence they bring to the tasks they are presented, simple, stupid errors like repeatedly mis-spelling things just show how deluded they are:

July 9, 2009
More spelling errors plague Obama releases
@ 2:09 pm by Michael O'Brien

Misspellings continued to plague the Obama administration on Thursday, after two more releases containing errors were sent to reporters in the last 24 hours.

After misspelling the president's name as "Barak Obama" yesterday on an official document sent to reporters, the General Services Administration messed up another message when announcing it had awarded an $18 million contract to redesign the website keeping track of spent stimulus dollars.

"Recvoery.gov Version 2.0 $18 Million Contract Awarded," the release's subject line read. ("Recovery" was spelled correctly in the body of the email.)

606 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:57:34am

Y'all are plumb embarrassing with these puns.

607 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:57:36am

re: #595 KenJen

We sure doo have an overflow of puns today.

I know, I just can't stain it.

608 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:57:37am

re: #563 turn

I know, it leaks.

That's pretty shitty.

609 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:58:08am

re: #606 redstateredneck

Y'all are plumb embarrassing with these puns.

Oh pipe down and solder on.

610 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:58:21am

re: #605 FurryOldGuyJeans

For an administration (and lap-dog media) that is so loquacious about the level of sophistication and intelligence they bring to the tasks they are presented, simple, stupid errors like repeatedly mis-spelling things just show how deluded they are:

July 9, 2009
More spelling errors plague Obama releases
@ 2:09 pm by Michael O'Brien

That evil bastard George Bush must have reconfigured every computer keyboard before he left office.

611 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:58:42am

re: #576 Baier

Today, we only exist as a world power because China allows us to. When I was getting my MBA the topic of China owning our debt came up quite a bit in economics classes. I take it seriously because the same two professors predicted the housing collapse. The stimulus is the nail Obama is holding for the Chinese to pound in to the coffin.

And why, pray tell, would the Chinese want to pound a nail into our coffin?

612 Baier  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:59:06am

re: #600 JohnnyReb

They are getting serious lately. They really don't want us to fail because they own about $1.2 Trillion of our debt, but in the future, they will be willing to take the big hit and let us go down the drain. They don't have a choice because in the long run inflation is going to destroy what they have anyway.

Exactly, and the more devalued the dollar gets the less interest the Chinese have in holding our debt and the more willing they will be to get rid of it. I don't think that the Chinese are out to get us, but they are not out to protect us either, and if they see a chance to ruin us, they will take it...at the right price of course.

613 John Neverbend  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:59:28am

re: #7 JohnnyReb

Beautiful Plumage!

The plumage don't enter into it. He's stone dead. This president is no more. He has ceased to be.

614 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:59:30am

This probably sounds stupid, but the left's relentless onslaught on conservatives, with all the self centered, narcissistic ideas of the 60's reminds me of Tolkien's tale of the donwfall of Numenor. The arrogance of the Numenorians.......the attacks on the faithful. All that.
Just musing........

615 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:59:39am

re: #611 eschew_obfuscation

And why, pray tell, would the Chinese want to pound a nail into our coffin?

Somewhere it will have to be because of GITMO, the root of all evil.

616 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:59:45am

re: #573 Ward Cleaver

I rail against having to do fence repair.

Nice post!

617 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:59:47am

re: #609 BlueCanuck

Oh pipe down and solder on.

I'll have to (roto) root out the good puns.

618 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:00:29am

re: #599 Desert Dog

Let's not go round and round and round and down the drain with these puns now, ok?

Crap, we're getting carried away I know.

619 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:00:39am

re: #31 MandyManners

I HOPE EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WASN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH IS FUCKING HAPPY NOW!


if this quote is on the back of one of Charles' T-shirts, how many of you would buy one?

620 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:00:50am

re: #610 soxfan4life

That evil bastard George Bush must have reconfigured every computer keyboard before he left office.

At least he didn't remove all the "0" keys before leaving office.

621 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:00:50am

re: #615 soxfan4life

Somewhere it will have to be because of GITMO, the root of all evil.

LOL! I'm sure.... ;-)

622 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:01:04am

re: #550 Killian Bundy

Kennedy-Townsend in Newsweek: Obama 'More Catholic' Than Pope


/so, does TOTUS get to wear the Pope hat now?

What an idiot. She should talk to the Catholic laity before making such a broad statement. Someone other than the esteemed senators from MA and the Congressional gramma from san francisco.

623 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:01:10am
624 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:01:11am

re: #614 LGoPs

This probably sounds stupid, but the left's relentless onslaught on conservatives, with all the self centered, narcissistic ideas of the 60's reminds me of Tolkien's tale of the donwfall of Numenor. The arrogance of the Numenorians.......the attacks on the faithful. All that.
Just musing........

Tolkien worked in a rather similar cultural milieu, the decadent British academy of the 1930s.

625 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:01:13am

re: #599 Desert Dog

Let's not go round and round and round and down the drain with these puns now, ok?

Your post makes me swirl.

626 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:01:17am

re: #588 reine.de.tout

The Libs are just bitter that the Catholic Church had a black Pope 1500+ years before the Dems could come up with a black President.

Of course they made up for it by electing the Messiah himself, but still...

627 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:01:18am

re: #616 jcm

Nice post!

He has a PhD.
.
.
.
Post hole Digger

628 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:01:20am

re: #601 midwestgak

I can if you jiggle it.

Are you trying to twist what I'm saying gal?

629 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:01:42am

re: #620 Honorary Yooper

At least he didn't remove all the "0" keys before leaving office.

Too bad he didn't remove all of the $ keys.

630 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:02:00am

re: #591 redstateredneck

I know. I've corrected you're and your so many times and been bitched out about picking on typos. Right....

Word nazis, that's us.

631 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:02:02am

re: #597 SixDegrees

I'm sure 0 will next be angling to replace God. I mean, he's obviously the best man for the job, right? We don't want to be tied down by the failures of the past, after all.

shades of Kim Jong Il's papa?

632 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:02:02am

Obama doing a bit of butt-gawking was a bit of humorous stupidity, the spin of the media declaring things are not as they appear and we are all wrong about what he did is seriously demented:

When In Rome...? Actually, not so much

633 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:02:13am

re: #611 eschew_obfuscation

And why, pray tell, would the Chinese want to pound a nail into our coffin?

They would have to climb in with us in the casket. They are mad because Obama is spending too much money and making their TRILLIONS in investments worth less and less. The godless commie bastards are right for a change....the USA needs to slow down it's spending and start growing the GDP.....inflation will hurt everyone on earth because we are all tied together. Note to Obama, Lord Keynes was wrong

634 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:02:21am

re: #619 _RememberTonyC

if this quote is on the back of one of Charles' T-shirts, how many of you would buy one?

BUY ONE , I was thinking of stenciling the saying to the side of my Explorer

635 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:02:29am
636 turn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:02:39am

re: #604 scottishbuzzsaw

You've plunged me into darkness!

Get a load of that!

bbl, lunchtime.

637 John Neverbend  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:02:44am

re: #615 soxfan4life

Somewhere it will have to be because of GITMO, the root of all evil.

I thought the root of all evil was Israeli settlements, or perhaps it was the love of money.

638 yochanan  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:02:44am

re: #500 taxfreekiller

Dwight Yoakam , Windstar , Thackerville Okla, Friday July 10, 2009

be there or be no where

[Link: search.yahoo.com...]

YOU MEAN THIS GUY?

639 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:02:58am

re: #630 debutaunt

Word nazis, that's us.

I'm not perfect, but damn near.
;-)

640 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:03:02am

re: #620 Honorary Yooper

At least he didn't remove all the "0" keys before leaving office.

If that had happened they could have just substituted the 0 (zero) key.

641 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:03:05am

re: #630 debutaunt

Word nazis, that's us.

the one that bothers me is the mix-up in using "affect" and "effect".
It. . . affects me with a very negative effect.
Drives me nuts.

642 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:03:22am
643 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:03:28am

re: #633 Desert Dog

They would have to climb in with us in the casket. They are mad because Obama is spending too much money and making their TRILLIONS in investments worth less and less. The godless commie bastards are right for a change....the USA needs to slow down it's spending and start growing the GDP.....inflation will hurt everyone on earth because we are all tied together. Note to Obama, Lord Keynes was wrong

DING!

644 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:03:30am

re: #617 redstateredneck

I'll have to (roto) root out the good puns.


plunge in and snake them out.

645 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:03:41am

Inappropriately dressed Obama enters goofy outfit conconvetion.

646 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:03:50am

re: #636 turn

Get a load of that!

bbl, lunchtime.

You can eat after all these toilet puns? ! ?

647 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:04:04am
Charles Krauthammer says, “Our president likes his plumage.”

The President is gonna get plucked.
And we are all gonna get phucked.

648 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:04:16am

re: #645 Killgore Trout

Inappropriately dressed Obama enters goofy outfit conconvetion.

conconvetion?

649 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:04:27am
650 John Neverbend  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:04:31am

re: #632 FurryOldGuyJeans

Obama doing a bit of butt-gawking was a bit of humorous stupidity, the spin of the media declaring things are not as they appear and we are all wrong about what he did is seriously demented:

When In Rome...? Actually, not so much

It's difficult to be sure in a 2D photograph, but I'm willing to bet that Obama is not looking at the young girl. On the other hand, that slimy looking dwarf on the right is most certainly taking her in.

651 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:04:49am

re: #628 turn

Are you trying to twist what I'm saying gal?

Never. Just take a seat. Everything will come out alright.

652 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:05:10am

re: #650 John Neverbend

It's difficult to be sure in a 2D photograph, but I'm willing to bet that Obama is not looking at the young girl. On the other hand, that slimy looking dwarf on the right is most certainly taking her in.

There is video of the incident, Our Man Obama was looking.

653 KenJen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:05:32am

re: #646 scottishbuzzsaw

You can eat after all these toilet puns? ! ?

He'll probably have a Baby Ruth for dessert.

654 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:05:50am

re: #628 turn

Are you trying to twist what I'm saying gal?

That's "gak" to you.

I just love it that we have with us our very own midwestgak.
Anybody can be a midwestgal. But midwestgaks are very rare.

655 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:06:01am

re: #642 buzzsawmonkey

No puns for you!

my salad days are over

656 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:06:13am
657 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:06:22am

re: #641 reine.de.tout

the one that bothers me is the mix-up in using "affect" and "effect".
It. . . affects me with a very negative effect.
Drives me nuts.

I have the same reaction to IRREGARDLESS


GGGAAAHHHHHHHH!

658 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:06:24am

re: #641 reine.de.tout

the one that bothers me is the mix-up in using "affect" and "effect".
It. . . affects me with a very negative effect.
Drives me nuts.

I get homicidal over people who mix up to and too.
.
.
ok....not quite homicidal, but it bugs me.

659 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:06:38am

re: #632 FurryOldGuyJeans

He can do no wrong.
In fact, Obama could get caught on tape dropping a turd in the middle of Pennsylvania Avenue and the MSM would gush about how he took action to "replenish the environment".

660 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:06:52am

re: #656 Killgore Trout

Bow!

pretty measly bow if you ask me.

661 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:06:54am

re: #646 scottishbuzzsaw

You can eat after all these toilet puns? ! ?

Needs the daily dose of fiber. Regularity donncha know?

662 John Neverbend  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:07:05am

re: #652 FurryOldGuyJeans

There is video of the incident, Our Man Obama was looking.

Please show me the video. I would like to show this to my fellow doubters.

663 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:07:18am

re: #641 reine.de.tout

the one that bothers me is the mix-up in using "affect" and "effect".
It. . . affects me with a very negative effect.
Drives me nuts.

And loose and lose.

664 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:07:19am

re: #657 sattv4u2

I have the same reaction to IRREGARDLESS


GGGAAAHHHHHHHH!

It's redundant and repetitive.........
/

665 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:07:57am

re: #642 buzzsawmonkey

No puns for you!

I love puns!

666 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:08:36am

Oooooh, zombie's article has a thread. See you all upstairs.

667 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:08:45am

re: #645 Killgore Trout

Inappropriately dressed Obama enters goofy outfit conconvetion.

Hey - the Swiss Guards are stylin'. Some looks are always in fashion.

Also - you really don't want to fuck with those guys. Seriously.

668 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:09:10am
669 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:09:19am

re: #662 John Neverbend

Please show me the video. I would like to show this to my fellow doubters.

Try reading the link I provided, a link to the video is there.

670 DrNaughty  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:09:29am

re: #667 SixDegrees

Hey - the Swiss Guards are stylin'. Some looks are always in fashion.

Also - you really don't want to fuck with those guys. Seriously.

Correct. They take their jobs.. deadly seriously....

671 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:09:40am

re: #663 debutaunt

And loose and lose.

lay and lie.

Of course, I mix those up regularly.
But I try hard not to.

672 Rancher  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:10:17am

re: #632 FurryOldGuyJeans

Obama doing a bit of butt-gawking was a bit of humorous stupidity, the spin of the media declaring things are not as they appear and we are all wrong about what he did is seriously demented:

When In Rome...? Actually, not so much

The president was on a higher step and was stepping down -- so he looked down to assure his footing as the woman was walking up the stairs.


He's not looking at his feet.

/You're not seeing what you think you're seeing.

673 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:11:26am

re: #654 reine.de.tout

That's "gak" to you.

I just love it that we have with us our very own midwestgak.
Anybody can be a midwestgal. But midwestgaks are very rare.

{reine) Thank you. Yipes. Unexpected.
Grateful.
Yipes.

674 Optimizer  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:11:57am

re: #2 Kenneth

"That a man of Obama’s intelligence can believe such nonsense is beyond comprehension."

Rotating title nominee


I guess I wouldn't vote for it. I'm a huge Krauthammer fan, but - if you think about it - this was sort of a dumb thing to say. Many (most) people believe all sorts of fantastical things, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with intelligence. It's all about psychological factors (and, yes, in Obama's case, NPD is a big part of the problem). It's no different from religion (ever try to have an intelligent conversation about religion?), and therefore Creationism, and also things like AGW alarmism (where it's all about patting yourself on the back for your "virtuosity" in supporting all kinds of totalitarian hyjinks, because you tell yourself you're saving Mother Earth).

Socialism/Communism is another example. It was tried all over the world in the 20th Century. Caused widepread poverty for the common man everywhere it was tried, but at least there was the offsetting benefit of more freedom (sarc). The logic is unambiguous in where it leads us - the conclusion that socialism/communism is decidedly evil, and counter to the best interests of mankind. Intelligence would invariably bring us to this logical conclusion, but exceptionally intelligent people often choose to believe in socialism/communism anyway, because it fulfills their emotional/psychological needs.

675 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:12:16am

re: #673 midwestgak

{reine) Thank you. Yipes. Unexpected.
Grateful.
Yipes.

{gak}

676 John Neverbend  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:12:31am

re: #669 FurryOldGuyJeans

Try reading the link I provided, a link to the video is there.

Ah, the benefits of scrolling down and reading the whole article. Sorry, I'm still not convinced. As for Sarkozy, I'm surprised he managed to keep his tongue inside his head.

677 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:13:40am

OT:
Iran detains another Iranian-American, accusing them of fomenting the opposition. They continue holding the Alaei brothers on similar charges.

North Korea continues holding two US journalists (although one called her sister the other day and said that they did what the NK claimed they did, even though one would be foolish to believe that this was done without any coercion).

This is what totalitarian regimes do.

678 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:14:48am

re: #674 Optimizer

Krauthammer's line was a snappy phrase, and it expresses the astonishment people should have when Obama says the things he says. But you offer a deeper and more accurate analysis. Morality, character & psychological make-up dictate the beliefs a person has more so than intellect alone.

679 Oh no...Sand People!  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:14:53am

re: #487 zombie

Woo-hoo!

Look at the top banner on the OrbusMax news site:

Let the wildfire ignite!

Guess that explains Pres. O's affection for infanticide...

680 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:15:44am
681 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:15:45am

re: #645 Killgore Trout

Inappropriately dressed Obama enters goofy outfit conconvetion.

Well, he did almost end up at one of these instead.

682 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:18:31am

re: #681 lawhawk

Well, he did almost end up at one of these instead.

Kilgore has a problem with the Poses guards uni's, but not with these !


//
683 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:19:03am

re: #682 sattv4u2

Kilgore has a problem with the Poses POPES guards uni's, but not with these !
PIMF



//
684 Baier  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:20:31am

re: #611 eschew_obfuscation

And why, pray tell, would the Chinese want to pound a nail into our coffin?

Without war, to take the mantle as the worlds most powerful nation. It's what they want, and they might be able to get it.

685 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:21:00am

That First Amendment thingy is soooo 18th century.

Ms. LINDA T. SANCHEZ of California (for herself, Ms. KAPTUR, Mr. YARMUTH, Ms. ROYBAL-ALLARD, Mrs. CAPPS, Mr. BISHOP of New York, Mr. BRALEY of Iowa, Mr. GRIJALVA, Mr. HARE, Mr. HIGGINS, Mr. CLAY, Mr. SARBANES, Mr. DAVIS of Illinois, Mr. COURTNEY, and Mr. KIRK) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

‘Sec. 881. Cyberbullying

3
‘(a) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

‘(b) As used in this section--

‘(1) the term ‘communication’ means the electronic transmission, between or among points specified by the user, of information of the user’s choosing, without change in the form or content of the information as sent and received; and


‘(2) the term ‘electronic means’ means any equipment dependent on electrical power to access an information service, including email, instant messaging, blogs, websites, telephones, and text messages.’.

I don't what could possibly go wrong, right there.

686 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:22:30am

re: #685 razorbacker

Insert 'see' before 'what' in the last sentence.

687 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:24:44am

re: #675 reine.de.tout

{gak}

There are women who know how to nurture. Your posts relect that ability.

(again, yipes.) You just gave me . . .

crying, sorry. You just gave me the most unexpected acknowledgement.

Okay, tears are gone. You beat that vx in scrabble. Do you hear me?/

688 JustABill  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:27:11am

re: #552 avanti

Later Lizards, need to work on a fence.

You heard it here first, he needs to work on a fence. Is there a market for stolen studebakers?

//

689 jamgarr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:28:11am

re: #652 FurryOldGuyJeans

There is video of the incident, Our Man Obama was looking.

I saw the video and came to the opposite conclusion. Interesting.

690 jamgarr  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:29:38am

re: #657 sattv4u2

I have the same reaction to IRREGARDLESS


GGGAAAHHHHHHHH!


Mine is preventative!

691 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:32:51am

re: #690 jamgarr

Irregardless of whatever preventative measures you may adopt, you'll not be successful, prolly.

692 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:32:53am

re: #687 midwestgak
You beat thatcontinue to "let" vx win in scrabble./ /

vx. You go girl.

693 GGMac  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:32:53am

re: #156 LionOfDixon

Q.: What's the difference between history and Kenny G?

A.: History only occaisonally repeats itself.

We went to a Kenny G concert 15 or so years ago - summer, and outdoors.

There was a hearing-impaired girl there with her family, who had apparently gotten a word to his crew. While he was playing a song, he came down off the stage and to the girl. As he continued playing, he placed her hand on the bell of the sax - so she could feel the music. He may be somewhat unicorn-y, and repetitive, but I have to say - that was a beautiful gesture. The look on that kid's face was absolute joy.

694 jvic  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 11:59:32am

re: #536 JohnnyReb

re: #576 Baier

foore: #600 JohnnyReb

They are getting serious lately. They really don't want us to fail because they own about $1.2 Trillion of our debt, but in the future, they will be willing to take the big hit and let us go down the drain. They don't have a choice because in the long run inflation is going to destroy what they have anyway.

Not only that, but they might be willing to take the big hit if they can send
us down the drain. Imagine a future when China is more self-sufficient; America has not gotten its finances in order and another bubble, e.g. green tech, is bursting. I can see the Chinese dumping their dollar holdings in order to create a depression and ruin us.

Otoh, Paul Volcker said:

695 jvic  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:00:56pm

re: #694 jvic

Oops, wrong button.

Paul Volcker said:

As for China’s criticism of the U.S., Volcker was unsympathetic. “I think the Chinese are a little disingenuous to say, ‘Now isn’t it so bad that we hold all these dollars.’ They hold all these dollars because they chose to buy the dollars, and they didn’t want to sell the dollars because they didn’t want to appreciate their currency. It was a very simple calculation on their part, so they shouldn’t come around blaming it all on us.”
696 GGMac  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:01:40pm

re: #267 Shr_Nfr

Yes. Especially in that Charles married a Catholic. I have nothing against Catholics since I am everyone's heretic, but in theory, the King of England is the "Defender of the Faith".

I don't have a link *@#$%! BUT - a few months ago, didn't Charles - who is enamored of Islam - want that portion of the job description changed to "Defender of the FaithS"?

697 Flyers1974  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:09:49pm

Critics of Obama's foreign policy maintain that his decisions are based on his personality or character flaws. For example, Obama's failure to respond with a more forceful statement about the Iranian regime was due to him being narcissistic, or in the alternative, overwhelmed or unprepared. Krauthammer is revisiting this theme by stating that Obama loves his plumage, etc... . No doubt, to Conservatives, the idea of Obama entering into useless or detrimental agreements for the sake of being able to preen around his living room with a plaque or award or something is appealing. But is that really the most likely explanation for his actions?

Personally, I think it is a no-brainer that the idea of a US/Russian nuclear reduction agreement convincing anyone to reduce their own ambitions is absurd. I'd say it is such a stupid idea, that there must be something else here - this is really about restoring relations between the US and Russia, and has nothing whatsoever to do with convincing Iran and N. Korea to follow the lead of the US and Russia. The idea being perhaps that Russia is not a natural enemy of the US and that in the long-term, they may actually cooperate with the US. This explanation obviously could be wrong, or if accepted as reasonable, deemed not to be good policy. In my opinion, it makes more sense than the character defense, i.e., "plumage" argument.

698 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:11:04pm

re: #659 Lincolntf

He can do no wrong.
In fact, Obama could get caught on tape dropping a turd in the middle of Pennsylvania Avenue and the MSM would gush about how he took action to "replenish the environment".

There's a good Onion story about that.

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

699 ~Fianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:12:30pm

re: #184 MandyManners

I saw it a few years ago. Spooky shit.

Oh, I remember that movie. I was a little kid when it came out, and it was one of those "big television events" and everyone was talking about it. My mom wouldn't let me watch it and I was SOOOOOO mad.

When I was living in my first apartment when I was 19, we saw it at the video store (anyone remember those?) and we all remembered it being on TV and our parents not letting us watch it, so we rented it, thinking it would be good for a laugh.

In between the first and second tape, we all had to take a break. I called my mom long distance and said "You remember that Day After movie that came out when i was a kid and how you wouldn't let me watch it because it was really scary and I was so mad at you?" She said "yeah". I said "Great parenting call."

Even as an adult. Even after the cold war was over and we were in that happy halcyon period where we thought everything was ok it was still really, really effing disturbing. We all had nightmares for a week.

700 AZDave  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:42:50pm
Krauthammer: Obama Doesn't Understand the Damage He's Done

Sorry. Must disagree with Krauthammer. Obama, IMHO, most certainly knows what damage he's done (and doing). He wants to drive this country into the ground and he's doing a great job of it with the help of the Dems.

701 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:57:04pm

re: #684 Baier

Without war, to take the mantle as the worlds most powerful nation. It's what they want, and they might be able to get it.

Not very easily without our economy. Who do you think buys the stuff they make in China?

702 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:59:14pm

re: #690 jamgarr

Mine is preventative!

I object to that word as well, but it seems to appear in dictionaries as a synonym of preventive.

703 Salem  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:10:17pm

Obama is the race-card/rubber-stamp for the Democrat party. That's why they steamrolled Hillary for him, because she could not have forced through landmark legislation using race. Pretty simple. The fact that it's not really working out that well shows how bankrupt the Democrat party is of ideas that aren't completely insane.

704 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:12:00pm

Their tears will be delicious ...

705 nines09  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 1:31:38pm

Handing over your lunch money only ensures that you are the ATM. Then take into consideration the ages old fact that when "You ain't got nuttin, you ain't got nuttin to lose." Yes indeed. Victory on the diplomatic front. Keep the bodies out of sight.

706 Optimizer  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 3:04:49pm

re: #678 Kenneth

Krauthammer's line was a snappy phrase, and it expresses the astonishment people should have when Obama says the things he says. But you offer a deeper and more accurate analysis. Morality, character & psychological make-up dictate the beliefs a person has more so than intellect alone.

Very well put.

Come to think of it, I was going to add something about how he was probably really just using some literary device, but I got side-tracked. You put it better than I would have. I hope at least we're off the banter about who's "intelligent" or not, since it's not really about that.

707 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 4:26:01pm

Why an alleged student of history did not know why defensive strategies were important in a modern military arena should raise red flags. I'm sure there are some raised in Europe where Russia's interference is felt. But Obama got the press he wanted. That's all he wanted, and everyone else could go hang for all he cares.

708 Caboose  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:18:38pm

EXTREMELY late to the thread (but i have been on the Family Visit Obligation Tour 2009 for the last two weeks and have been offline the ENTIRE time! T'was nice, really...)

"Those that beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that didn't."

Zerobama, take heed...


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