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Pope Surprises Obama with Booklet

Religion | Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:08:20 pm PDT

Barack Obama told Pope Benedict today that he wants to reduce abortions in the US.

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - President Barack Obama promised Pope Benedict on Friday that he would do everything possible to reduce the number of abortions in the United States, the Vatican said.

Obama and Benedict held private talks for about 40 minutes in the pope’s frescoed study in the Vatican’s apostolic palace and the Vatican said bioethics and life issues were a central part of the discussion.

In a surprise move, the pontiff gave Obama a booklet explaining Vatican opposition to practices such as abortion and embryonic stem cell research, which Obama supports.

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1 sngnsgt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:09:01pm

Does it play on a teleprompter?

2 Sambo  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:09:54pm

Oh, I thought it was a copy of "Rules for Radicals" or something like that. Guess not.

3 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:11:22pm

Well. I hope Obama reads it. I wouldn't expect it to change his mind, but it might give him some food for thought.

4 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:12:20pm

No surprises here. What did 44 expect? The Pope to kiss his finger?

5 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:12:22pm

Now he's lyin' to the pope, too.

6 EmmmieG  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:13:10pm

Is this booklet available to the rest of us? Just in case we want to know what it says? (In English).

7 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:13:19pm

re: #5 pink freud

Now he's lyin' to the pope, too.

Pinkie, Pinkie, Pinkie -
Think positive!

8 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:13:22pm

re: #3 reine.de.tout

Well. I hope Obama reads it. I wouldn't expect it to change his mind, but it might give him some food for thought.

Reine ... posted this in wrong thread ...

Reine ... I am wondering if there was a chapter on the Black Liberation Theology ... cuz I am thinking the Pope not exactly on the same page as those guys since church been fighting their brother down south for decades ... but then ... he did sleep through all those sermons for 20 years ...

9 SteveC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:13:26pm

"Here, Mr. President, a gift from me to you. Make sure your friend TOTUS reads this also."

10 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:13:34pm

a not so subtle message from the Pope....it will certainly go over BOs head

11 David Simon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:13:52pm

re: #4 Erik The Red

No surprises here. What did 44 expect? The Pope to kiss his finger?

Or another part of his anatomy judging from his ego.

12 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:14:18pm

Did he apologize for anything?

/

13 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:14:47pm

re: #7 reine.de.tout

Pinkie, Pinkie, Pinkie -
Think positive!

I always think positive. What does that have to do with the fact that this man is a world-class liar?

Nice to see you, Your Highness SweetPea! :-)

14 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:14:56pm

re: #8 JacksonTn

Reine ... posted this in wrong thread ...

Reine ... I am wondering if there was a chapter on the Black Liberation Theology ... cuz I am thinking the Pope not exactly on the same page as those guys since church been fighting their brother down south for decades ... but then ... he did sleep through all those sermons for 20 years ...

Whew.
Well, didn't somebody here one evening say that Black Liberation Theology had roots in Roman Catholicism?

15 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:15:02pm

re: #5 pink freud

Now he's lyin' to the pope, too.

dissin on the Pope ain't kewl

16 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:15:03pm

But what about those "populations we don't want too many of?"

/Justice Ginsburg

17 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:15:29pm

I don't want to punish my children with a book in opposition to practices such as abortion and embryonic stem cell research.

18 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:15:36pm

re: #13 pink freud

I always think positive. What does that have to do with the fact that this man is a world-class liar?

Nice to see you, Your Highness SweetPea! :-)

{pinkie}
You too, mah chere.

19 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:16:07pm

He'll read that like it was the stimulus bill.

20 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:16:37pm

re: #14 reine.de.tout

Whew.
Well, didn't somebody here one evening say that Black Liberation Theology had roots in Roman Catholicism?

Reine .. yes I remember that ... but they don't really know the whole story ... yes they took some and made an ugly stew ... but people just don't know the whole story of Cone and his crew ... oh man ... it makes my head swirl ...

21 SteveC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:16:48pm

"Thank you, your Popeishness. We have a small gift for you, a DVD titled `Malia and Sasha tour Moscow.' "

22 EmmmieG  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:16:56pm

I'm not Catholic, but with as many millions of Catholics as this country has, it behooves the president to at least know what the theology is.

23 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:17:20pm

Sorry Pope. No matter what he says, Obama heart abortion.

24 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:17:22pm

re: #20 JacksonTn

Hi Jackson! Nice tunes you've been offering.

As always.

25 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:17:45pm

re: #16 Dar ul Harb

I know if one of the conservatives on the Supreme Court had said something like that, the House would be preparing the impeachment papers right now...

26 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:17:53pm

Obamis the Pious apologize?...
bwahahahaha!

27 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:18:27pm

re: #24 pink freud

Hi Jackson! Nice tunes you've been offering.

As always.

Pink ... hey school girl ... if you luck I will send you (when I figure it out) an email from my new iPhone which Reine is going to explain to me .. oh, yeah, and I made it out of the Mac store for just a little less than one large ... thanks Reine! ...

28 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:18:32pm

TOTUS promised to read it on the plane ride to Africa.

/right

29 SteveC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:18:38pm

re: #12 Gus 802

Did he apologize for anything?

"We're sorry we crucified - oh, my staff says that wasn't us."

30 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:18:42pm

In a surprise move, the pontiff gave Obama a booklet explaining Vatican opposition to practices such as abortion and embryonic stem cell research, which Obama supports.

and "0" thought to himself later, "I shoulda said "But I WON!", yeah, that's what I shoulda said."

31 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:18:58pm

re: #22 EmmmieG

I'm not Catholic, but with as many millions of Catholics as this country has, it behooves the president to at least know what the theology is.

And over 80% of Catholics voted for him. He has no clue and has promised things the the US Catholics that he can not provide. The faith will backlash in the next election.

32 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:19:03pm

re: #20 JacksonTn

Reine .. yes I remember that ... but they don't really know the whole story ... yes they took some and made an ugly stew ... but people just don't know the whole story of Cone and his crew ... oh man ... it makes my head swirl ...

My head too.

33 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:19:21pm

re: #29 SteveC

"We're sorry we crucified - oh, my staff says that wasn't us."

That would be it too.

34 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:19:30pm

re: #27 JacksonTn

Pink ... hey school girl ... if you luck I will send you (when I figure it out) an email from my new iPhone which Reine is going to explain to me .. oh, yeah, and I made it out of the Mac store for just a little less than one large ... thanks Reine! ...

Ha! That woman is magic with technology. Just like my nineteen year old.

/amazing for her age .....

*ducks!*

35 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:19:39pm

re: #27 JacksonTn

Pink ... hey school girl ... if you luck I will send you (when I figure it out) an email from my new iPhone which Reine is going to explain to me .. oh, yeah, and I made it out of the Mac store for just a little less than one large ... thanks Reine! ...

Yeah, but you got TWO iPhones.

36 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:20:04pm

re: #34 pink freud

Ha! That woman is magic with technology. Just like my nineteen year old.

/amazing for her age .....

*ducks!*

YO.
Watchyomoufnow.

37 Sambo  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:20:24pm

re: #16 Dar ul Harb

Obama has that covered. Check out what his "Science Czar" espoused back in 1977, and has not renounced (to the best of my knowledge, corrections solicited if I'm wrong): [Link: bit.ly...]

Paging Dr. Robert Stadler ...

38 SteveC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:21:18pm

re: #30 IslandLibertarian

In a surprise move, the pontiff gave Obama a booklet explaining Vatican opposition to practices such as abortion and embryonic stem cell research, which Obama supports.

and "0" thought to himself later, "I shoulda said "But I WON!", yeah, that's what I shoulda said."

".... Michelle, that's when he put his hand on my shoulder, leaned close, and whispered, "So did my Guy."

39 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:21:35pm

Barack Obama: Pope Benedict, I'd like you to meet America's new science czar, John Holdren. I'm sure you two have a lot to talk about so I'll leave you alone for an hour.

/

40 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:21:59pm

I hear the over/under for the pamphlet hitting the round file is at one minute.

I also hear the smart money is on the under.

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:22:19pm

Was the pamphlet in English?

42 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:22:39pm

Kennedy-Townsend in Newsweek: Obama 'More Catholic' Than Pope

Newsweek took their criticism of Pope Benedict XVI to the next level on Thursday- not only did guest columnist Kathleen Kennedy-Townsend affirm that the pontiff could learn from President Obama (something Newsweek and their partners at the Washington Post agreed upon back in April), but also blasted the Bishop of Rome and the Catholic hierarchy for their supposed “disdain” towards women and homosexuals.

The former lieutenant governor of Maryland began her column, titled "Without a Doubt: Why Barack Obama represents American Catholics better than the pope does," with the context of the pope’s upcoming meeting with the American president, and how it was “much anticipated and in some circles frowned upon by American Catholics in the wake of Obama’s controversial Notre Dame commencement speech in May.” She then laid out her central thesis about these two leaders: “In truth, though, Obama’s pragmatic approach to divisive policy...and his social-justice agenda reflect the views of American Catholic laity much more closely than those vocal bishops and pro-life activists...[T]hey’ll politely disagree about reproductive freedoms and homosexuality, but Catholics back home won’t care, because they know Obama’s on their side. In fact, Obama’s agenda is closer to their views than even the pope’s.”

/so, does TOTUS get to wear the Pope hat now?

43 Charles  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:23:02pm

re: #37 Sambo

Obama has that covered. Check out what his "Science Czar" espoused back in 1977, and has not renounced (to the best of my knowledge, corrections solicited if I'm wrong): [Link: bit.ly...]

Paging Dr. Robert Stadler ...

There's an LGF post about that already.

44 Conservative Moonbat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:23:02pm

Where's the surprise?

45 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:23:15pm

re: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Was the pamphlet in English?

Esperanto

46 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:23:38pm

Did anybody see what Michelle wore to meet the Pope?
Really strange get-up.

47 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:23:57pm

Was Obambi observed tossing the booklet in the trash?

48 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:24:28pm

re: #42 Killian Bundy

and I represent the Cowboys better than Jerry Jones...

49 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:24:34pm

I think Mayor Giuliani was serious when he said he wanted to reduce abortions.

I am very sorry, but I just don't believe that President Obama cares. I mean, what's he going to say - I want more abortions? He just doesn't care, imho.

50 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:24:36pm

What did FCBBHO say about one of his daughters having a baby in their teens? How did he describe the baby?

51 EmmmieG  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:24:53pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Um, she was supposed to cover her head, right? Is there a guideline on how?

52 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:24:55pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Did anybody see what Michelle wore to meet the Pope?
Really strange get-up.

What the hell is that? She's like Jackie Kennedy at JFK's funeral.

53 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:25:10pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Did anybody see what Michelle wore to meet the Pope?
Really strange get-up.

Is she trying to look like a nun? LOL

54 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:25:17pm

Everyone sure likes to give Pres. Obama reading materials.

If I ever meet him, I have a few ideas of my own:

The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich Hayek

A History of the American People by Paul Johnson

In His Own Hand by Ronald Reagan

Those should get him started in the right direction and probably give him ideas he has never heard before too

55 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:25:19pm

re: #40 The Shadow Do

I hear the over/under for the pamphlet hitting the round file is at one minute.

I also hear the smart money is on the under.

TSD ... ROFLMAO ...

56 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:25:24pm

re: #45 Gus 802

Esperanto

Oh, considering his connection with Soros and Soros' father's role in that "language", GOOD COME-BACK!

57 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:25:26pm

re: #50 MandyManners

What did FCBBHO say about one of his daughters having a baby in their teens? How did he describe the baby?

A mistake?

58 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:25:38pm

re: #51 EmmmieG

Um, she was supposed to cover her head, right? Is there a guideline on how?

My aunt always pinned a hankie on my head when I'd go to Mass with her when I was a kid.

59 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:25:51pm

re: #42 Killian Bundy

Kennedy-Townsend in Newsweek: Obama 'More Catholic' Than Pope

/so, does TOTUS get to wear the Pope hat now?

No, but I did like how the pope used the meeting to get his own message across. He didn't shove at Obama, but he did not let himself be used as a prop and he made sure that he was heard and that the media would report his position. Pope Benedict is much better at subtlety than most people, but it seems like a good tactic to use against Obama.

60 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:25:51pm

re: #50 MandyManners

What did FCBBHO say about one of his daughters having a baby in their teens? How did he describe the baby?

small, cuddly and totally lovable?...

61 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:25:54pm

re: #42 Killian Bundy

Kennedy-Townsend in Newsweek: Obama 'More Catholic' Than Pope

/so, does TOTUS get to wear the Pope hat now?

KB ... sorry but I gotta say it ... FUCKING IDIOTS ...

62 gruvin  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:26:05pm

And in return: More DVD's of ME that won't play in European DVD players!

63 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:26:07pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Did anybody see what Michelle wore to meet the Pope?
Really strange get-up.

Mourning M.J. I see.

64 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:26:11pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Did anybody see what Michelle wore to meet the Pope?
Really strange get-up.

That looks like someone's idea of what pious is supposed to look like?

/spidery-looking

65 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:26:11pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Did anybody see what Michelle wore to meet the Pope?
Really strange get-up.

Better than some of her other situational fashion choices.

/when in the Holy See . . .

66 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:26:25pm

re: #56 MandyManners

Oh, considering his connection with Soros and Soros' father's role in that "language", GOOD COME-BACK!

Yeah, I figured is still popular with the Internationalists.

My other choice was Pigeon English.

67 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:26:29pm

re: #51 EmmmieG

Um, she was supposed to cover her head, right? Is there a guideline on how?

Is she supposed to cover her head?
I don't recall Laura Bush's head being covered.

That looks like an old-time what we called a chapel veil - I didn't know they still made 'em - that's what you kept in your purse to stick on your head if you ended up at Mass without a hat.

68 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:26:32pm

re: #58 redstateredneck

My aunt always pinned a hankie on my head when I'd go to Mass with her when I was a kid.

I have had to use a Kleenex. LOL

69 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:26:33pm

re: #50 MandyManners

What did FCBBHO say about one of his daughters having a baby in their teens? How did he describe the baby?

Punished with a baby or some such crap.

70 SteveC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:26:50pm

re: #47 redstateredneck

Was Obambi observed tossing the booklet in the trash?

Don't you think it would be shipped to a repository somewhere so that it can be part of the Barak H. Obama Presidential Library?

71 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:27:11pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

The caption that I saw said it was a traditional catholic thing.

72 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:27:17pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Her dresser is either incredibly lame or incredibly malicious.

/haute NOT couture

73 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:27:21pm

re: #50 MandyManners

What did FCBBHO say about one of his daughters having a baby in their teens? How did he describe the baby?

He said that he would not want to see his daughters "punished with a baby."

74 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:27:45pm

re: #57 Erik The Red

A mistake?

re: #60 albusteve

small, cuddly and totally lovable?...

I believe it starts with a "p" and ends with a "ment".

75 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:27:47pm

re: #58 redstateredneck

My aunt always pinned a hankie on my head when I'd go to Mass with her when I was a kid.

exactly.
And that's sort of what Michelle's head thingie looks like. It's what every good Catholic girl kept in her handbag for when she ended up at Mass without a hat.

76 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:27:54pm

re: #47 redstateredneck

Was Obambi observed tossing the booklet in the trash?

No, he signed it and gave it back.

77 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:28:08pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

The caption that I saw said it was a traditional catholic thing.

Michelle isn't Catholic.

78 livefreeor die  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:28:13pm

re: #37 Sambo

Obama has that covered. Check out what his "Science Czar" espoused back in 1977, and has not renounced (to the best of my knowledge, corrections solicited if I'm wrong): [Link: bit.ly...]

Paging Dr. Robert Stadler ...

I'm just curious-does his staff ever vet anyone?

79 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:28:16pm

re: #74 MandyManners

I believe it starts with a "p" and ends with a "ment".

predicament

80 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:28:19pm

re: #37 Sambo

I know, that's Zombie's latest and there's already been a thread on it.

The House Democrats just have to ignore that Ms. Justice Ginsburg said that, I suppose, because despite the statement's otherwise outrageous character, calling attention to it would just be too politically inconvenient.

"Three generations of imbeciles is enough."
--Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200, 208 (1927)

81 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:28:53pm

re: #77 reine.de.tout

Michelle isn't Catholic.

she plays one on TV tho....

82 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:28:56pm

re: #66 Gus 802

Yeah, I figured is still popular with the Internationalists.

My other choice was Pigeon English.

Atwhay outbay Igpay Atinlay?

83 snowcrash  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:28:57pm

re: #42 Killian Bundy

84 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:29:00pm

re: #76 SasquatchOnSteroids

No, he signed it and gave it back.

Good one! You know the man well.

//More about me Pope Benedict.

85 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:29:10pm

re: #70 SteveC

Don't you think it would be shipped to a repository somewhere so that it can be part of the Barak H. Obama Presidential Library?

Most likely yes. Obama might well ignore the booklet, but he'd keep it. Getting rid of it would be foolish.

86 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:29:22pm

re: #69 redstateredneck

Punished with a baby or some such crap.

There you go.

88 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:29:48pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

The caption that I saw said it was a traditional catholic thing.

That would be fine if she was a Catholic. She is not. It is all PR bullshit. The need this meeting more than the Pope and the Vatican does.

89 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:29:49pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

He said that he would not want to see his daughters "punished with a baby."

That's it.

90 livefreeor die  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:30:00pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Most likely yes. Obama might well ignore the booklet, but he'd keep it. Getting rid of it would be foolish.

He'll regift it when Netanyahu comes to visit.

91 snowcrash  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:30:10pm

Okay, post go bye bye.

92 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:30:13pm

re: #79 albusteve

predicament

Well, it is that, too.

93 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:30:17pm

re: #77 reine.de.tout

Michelle isn't Catholic.

But she did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night

94 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:30:18pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

The caption that I saw said it was a traditional catholic thing.

Well, color me ignorant.

Here's a photo of Laura Bush with the same sort of gear on her head.

95 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:30:40pm

Remember, Michelle wore sleeveless white to the D-Day memorial service.

/coulda been worse, just sayin'

96 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:30:42pm

re: #82 MandyManners

Atwhay outbay Igpay Atinlay?

Iay speaksay omesay igpay atinlay ndaay riteway tiay saay ellway.

//Whew.

97 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:30:44pm

re: #90 livefreeor die

He'll regift it when Netanyahu comes to visit.

You are so bad.
Funny, but bad.

98 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:30:48pm

re: #67 reine.de.tout

Is she supposed to cover her head?
I don't recall Laura Bush's head being covered.

That looks like an old-time what we called a chapel veil - I didn't know they still made 'em - that's what you kept in your purse to stick on your head if you ended up at Mass without a hat.

Reine ... mama always had a few extra "doilies" in her purse with bobby pins from hell ... I think she stuck them in your skull just to punish you for not bringing your own from home ... Child Abuse! ...

99 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:31:21pm

re: #88 Erik The Red

Why does Obama need to Pope?

100 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:31:29pm

i have great respect for the pope. her had to sit there and smile and act cordial to the devious o. and give him a relevant booklet which he knows o won't read.
and suffer the presence of WAB.

i can't wait till these hacks are out of the whitehouse.

101 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:31:43pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

He said that he would not want to see his daughters "punished with a baby."

Having been born a bastard of teen parents, I'm glad President Obama was not my grandfather.

102 shifty  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:31:48pm

What was Obama expectin'? Pics of Miley Cyrus?

Oh yeah I went there.

103 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:31:48pm

If he had said "burdened" or even "saddled", I could go along with him 100 per cent because babies are burdens! But, not punishments.

OTOH, it just hit me that a negaitve consequence of behavior is a "punishment".

104 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:31:56pm

re: #98 JacksonTn

Reine ... mama always had a few extra "doilies" in her purse with bobby pins from hell ... I think she stuck them in your skull just to punish you for not bringing your own from home ... Child Abuse! ...

Yep.
I had one, with a little case you could fold it up and put it into. Looked just like a doily. We were hot, eh? LOL

105 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:32:03pm

re: #57 Erik The Red

A mistake?

He said that he didn't want her punished with a baby.

106 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:32:09pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

Well, color me ignorant.

Here's a photo of Laura Bush with the same sort of gear on her head.

Mrs. Bush looks like a real First Lady.

107 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:32:12pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

Well, color me ignorant.

Here's a photo of Laura Bush with the same sort of gear on her head.

Maybe they have them available at the door....like restaurants that require a jacket and supply "loaners".

108 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:32:35pm

re: #96 Gus 802

Iay speaksay omesay igpay atinlay ndaay riteway tiay saay ellway.

//Whew.

*fanning Gus*

109 livefreeor die  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:32:40pm

re: #97 redstateredneck

You are so bad.
Funny, but bad.

Bad but accurate? :)

110 snowcrash  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:32:58pm

re: #104 reine.de.tout
There were white lace ones and black. I could only have the white.

111 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:33:03pm

Liberation Theology is an attempt to interpret Scripture through the plight of the poor. It is largely a humanistic doctrine. It started in South America in the turbulent 1950s when Marxism was making great gains among the poor because of its emphasis on the redistribution of wealth, allowing poor peasants to share in the wealth of the colonial elite and thus upgrade their economic status in life. As a theology, it has very strong Roman Catholic roots.

Liberation Theology was bolstered in 1968 at the Second Latin American Bishops Conference which met in Medellin, Colombia. The idea was to study the Bible and to fight for social justice in Christian (Catholic) communities. Since the only governmental model for the redistribution of the wealth in a South American country was a Marxist model, the redistribution of wealth to raise the economic standards of the poor in South America took on a definite Marxist flavor. Since those who had money were very reluctant to part with it in any wealth redistribution model, the use of a populist (read poor) revolt was encouraged by those who worked most closely with the poor. As a result, the Liberation Theology model was mired in Marxist dogma and revolutionary causes.

As a result of its Marxist leanings, Liberation Theology as practiced by the bishops and priests of South America was criticized in the 1980s by the Catholic hierarchy, from Pope John Paul on down. The top hierarchy of the Catholic Church accused liberation theologians of supporting violent revolutions and outright Marxist class struggle. This perversion is usually the result of a humanist view of man being codified into Church Doctrine by zealous priests and bishops and explains why the Catholic top hierarchy now wants to separate itself from Marxist doctrine and revolution.

However, Liberation Theology has moved from the poor peasants in South America to the poor blacks in North America. We now have Black Liberation Theology being preached in the black community. It is the same Marxist, revolutionary, humanistic philosophy found in South American Liberation Theology and has no more claim for a scriptural basis than the South American model has. False doctrine is still false, no matter how it is dressed up or what fancy name is attached to it. In the same way that revolutionary fervor was stirred up in South America, Liberation Theology is now trying to stir up revolutionary fervor among blacks in America. Black Liberation Theology is a false, humanist doctrine dressed up in theological terms.

GOT THAT OBAMA? ask the Pope how he feels about your 20 year sleepover ...

112 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:33:06pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Why does Obama need to Pope?

To keep the US Catholic voters that he is busy pissing off.

113 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:33:33pm

re: #108 MandyManners

*fanning Gus*

Why thank you Mandy. Good think I'm having ice cream at the same time.

114 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:33:47pm

re: #113 Gus 802

Good thing that is.

115 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:33:49pm

We gotta reduce our carbon footprint and our carbon dioxide emissions, dontcha know.

(Pardon me while I stop breathing.)

116 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:33:54pm

re: #55 JacksonTn

TSD ... ROFLMAO ...

Gotta ask, with trepidation...TSD?

117 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:34:07pm

Wasn't it nice of Obama to grant the Pope an audience with him?
/

118 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:34:08pm

re: #58 redstateredneck

My aunt always pinned a hankie on my head when I'd go to Mass with her when I was a kid.

re: #75 reine.de.tout

exactly.
And that's sort of what Michelle's head thingie looks like. It's what every good Catholic girl kept in her handbag for when she ended up at Mass without a hat.

We had long mantilla thingies and short lace cap thingies, but sometimes we'd forget them, and my mom would pin Kleenex on us. :D

119 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:34:19pm

re: #98 JacksonTn

Reine ... mama always had a few extra "doilies" in her purse with bobby pins from hell ... I think she stuck them in your skull just to punish you for not bringing your own from home ... Child Abuse! ...

Yeah, my Aunt Leola would jam those bobby pins in. She didn't want her little Protestant niece's hanky to fall off!

120 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:34:40pm

re: #106 Erik The Red

Mrs. Bush looks like a real First Lady.

Mrs. Bush looks relaxed.
I think what made Michelle look so strange is that she looked so stiff and uncomfortable. Maybe she wasn't, but the photo made her appear that way.

Of course, if I was wearing something like that on my head, I would probably be stiff and uncomfortable too. Which is why I would make a terrible first lady.

Laura Bush got it right.

121 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:35:05pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Why does Obama need to Pope?

Using "to Pope" as a verb... I like it.

122 SteveC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:35:30pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

He said that he would not want to see his daughters "punished with a baby."

And yet Todd and Sarah Palin decide to put their money where their mouth is and bring a Special Needs child full term, and it's Obama's traveling band who keeps handing out the punishment.

If that had been me in Alaska, I would have ended my resignation speech with the line "...My last official act as Governor will be to tell you to get the hell out of my face!"

123 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:35:34pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

Huh. re: #112 Erik The Red

Last I checked American Catholics were more in line with Obama than the Pope anyways. There aren't many American Catholics that adhere to the Vatican's positions on birth control, abortion, divorce, etc.

124 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:35:39pm

re: #117 Truck Monkey

Wasn't it nice of Obama to grant the Pope an audience with him?
/

the whole thing is as phony as a three dollar bill...it reeks given BOs past

125 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:35:44pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Did anybody see what Michelle wore to meet the Pope?
Really strange get-up.

For comparison: Laura Bush meets the Pope. I'm no expert, but her veil looks like more of a Spanish influence to me.

126 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:35:59pm

re: #104 reine.de.tout

Yep.
I had one, with a little case you could fold it up and put it into. Looked just like a doily. We were hot, eh? LOL

Reine ... at mass? no ... but dang we could really roll up those uniform skirts and play up the knee-highs after school ... then go to confession at Friday mass ...

127 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:36:01pm

re: #121 Occasional Reader

OR, where you been all week?

128 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:36:03pm

re: #120 reine.de.tout

Mrs. Bush looks relaxed.
I think what made Michelle look so strange is that she looked so stiff and uncomfortable. Maybe she wasn't, but the photo made her appear that way.

Of course, if I was wearing something like that on my head, I would probably be stiff and uncomfortable too. Which is why I would make a terrible first lady.

Laura Bush got it right.

Laura Bush was the real deal. WAB is not even worthy of cleaning her shoes.

129 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:36:07pm

re: #111 JacksonTn

Liberation Theology is an attempt to interpret Scripture through the plight of the poor. It is largely a humanistic doctrine. It started in South America in the turbulent 1950s when Marxism was making great gains among the poor because of its emphasis on the redistribution of wealth, allowing poor peasants to share in the wealth of the colonial elite and thus upgrade their economic status in life. As a theology, it has very strong Roman Catholic roots.

Liberation Theology was bolstered in 1968 at the Second Latin American Bishops Conference which met in Medellin, Colombia. The idea was to study the Bible and to fight for social justice in Christian (Catholic) communities. Since the only governmental model for the redistribution of the wealth in a South American country was a Marxist model, the redistribution of wealth to raise the economic standards of the poor in South America took on a definite Marxist flavor. Since those who had money were very reluctant to part with it in any wealth redistribution model, the use of a populist (read poor) revolt was encouraged by those who worked most closely with the poor. As a result, the Liberation Theology model was mired in Marxist dogma and revolutionary causes.

As a result of its Marxist leanings, Liberation Theology as practiced by the bishops and priests of South America was criticized in the 1980s by the Catholic hierarchy, from Pope John Paul on down. The top hierarchy of the Catholic Church accused liberation theologians of supporting violent revolutions and outright Marxist class struggle. This perversion is usually the result of a humanist view of man being codified into Church Doctrine by zealous priests and bishops and explains why the Catholic top hierarchy now wants to separate itself from Marxist doctrine and revolution.

However, Liberation Theology has moved from the poor peasants in South America to the poor blacks in North America. We now have Black Liberation Theology being preached in the black community. It is the same Marxist, revolutionary, humanistic philosophy found in South American Liberation Theology and has no more claim for a scriptural basis than the South American model has. False doctrine is still false, no matter how it is dressed up or what fancy name is attached to it. In the same way that revolutionary fervor was stirred up in South America, Liberation Theology is now trying to stir up revolutionary fervor among blacks in America. Black Liberation Theology is a false, humanist doctrine dressed up in theological terms.

GOT THAT OBAMA? ask the Pope how he feels about your 20 year sleepover ...

Fucking-A!

How many have been killed in the name of Liberation Theology?

I useta' be a member of CISPES toward the end of my time as a Commie.

COLLECTIVIZATION WILL FREE YOUR SOUL!

130 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:36:13pm

re: #121 Occasional Reader

Heh. I Pope you.

131 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:36:32pm

re: #119 redstateredneck

Yeah, my Aunt Leola would jam those bobby pins in. She didn't want her little Protestant niece's hanky to fall off!

I remember a Protestant girl going to Mass with us girls one time after school for some reason. She sat like a stunned ox through Mass while we did the up down kneel sit kneel up down thing. The priest came over afterwards to see why she didn't. Heh.

132 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:36:43pm

re: #125 ShanghaiEd

For comparison: Laura Bush meets the Pope. I'm no expert, but her veil looks like more of a Spanish influence to me.

that's an even better photo of Laura Bush than the one I posted upthread.
She looks very relaxed and comfortable.

133 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:36:46pm

I wonder if the Pope had to kiss Obamas ring?

134 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:36:49pm

re: #113 Gus 802

Why thank you Mandy. Good think I'm having ice cream at the same time.

BRAIN FREEZE!

135 Pigtown Water Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:37:04pm

re: #98 JacksonTn

I had to wear my mother's accordian-pleated rain bonnets to church once. I was mortified.

136 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:37:30pm

The pamphlet will be read before or after the Marxist screed that Chavez gave him (Open Veins of Latin America)?

137 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:37:41pm

re: #131 Catttt

I remember a Protestant girl going to Mass with us girls one time after school for some reason. She sat like a stunned ox through Mass while we did the up down kneel sit kneel up down thing. The priest came over afterwards to see why she didn't. Heh.

I tried to keep up. I was always a pretty good mimic.

138 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:37:56pm

re: #136 Occasional Reader

The pamphlet will be read before or after the Marxist screed that Chavez gave him (Open Veins of Latin America)?

Oh, you're good.

139 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:38:07pm

re: #123 Killgore Trout

Huh. re: #112 Erik The Red

Last I checked American Catholics were more in line with Obama than the Pope anyways. There aren't many American Catholics that adhere to the Vatican's positions on birth control, abortion, divorce, etc.

/gee, maybe the Pope should just pick another religion

140 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:38:10pm

re: #135 Pigtown Water Dog

I had to wear my mother's accordian-pleated rain bonnets to church once. I was mortified.

I can picture that!
LOL

141 SteveC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:38:15pm

re: #96 Gus 802

Iay speaksay omesay igpay atinlay ndaay riteway tiay saay ellway.

You talkin' trash about one of the NFL's greatest? :)

142 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:38:17pm

Veiling

For 2,000 years, Catholic women have veiled themselves before entering a church or any time they are in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament (e.g., during sick calls). It was written into the 1917 Code of Canon Law, Canon 1262, that women must cover their heads -- "especially when they approach the holy table" ("mulieres autem, capite cooperto et modeste vestitae, maxime cum ad mensam Dominicam accedunt") -- but during the Second Vatican Council, Bugnini (the same Freemason who designed the Novus Ordo Mass) was asked by journalists if women would still have to cover their heads. His reply, perhaps innocently enough, was that the issue was not being discussed. The journalists (as journalists are wont to do with Church teaching) took his answer as a "no," and printed their misinformation in newspapers all over the world. 1 Since then, many, if not most, Catholic women have lost the tradition.

143 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:38:27pm

re: #135 Pigtown Water Dog

I had to wear my mother's accordian-pleated rain bonnets to church once. I was mortified.

Ewwww...old lady rain bonnet.

144 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:38:29pm

re: #116 The Shadow Do

Gotta ask, with trepidation...TSD?

TSD ... The Shadow Do ... I just always put the nic first because I had a bad experience once when I posted to the wrong person ...

145 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:38:40pm

re: #103 MandyManners

If he had said "burdened" or even "saddled", I could go along with him 100 per cent because babies are burdens! But, not punishments.

OTOH, it just hit me that a negaitve consequence of behavior is a "punishment".

it is so inappropriate to use the word "punishment" to describe a baby.
there is no way to spin it and make it acceptable to most people.
because o said it so easily and casually it seems obvious he has no problem w/ abortion at all. i don't believe that he was being sincere when he said to the pope that he was going to reduce abortions in this country. he said what he thought the pope would want to hear.

146 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:38:54pm

re: #127 redstateredneck

OR, where you been all week?

That information is classified.

147 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:38:57pm

re: #120 reine.de.tout

I'm amazed by the outfits Ms"0" wears.Here she looks like she is gift-wrapped for a funeral.

/the Queen has no clothes fashion sense !

148 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:39:02pm

re: #141 SteveC

You talkin' trash about one of the NFL's greatest? :)

I saw that. Elway Ford too! That's where I bought my car. It's not a Ford though.

149 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:39:32pm

re: #78 livefreeor die

I'm just curious-does his staff ever vet anyone?

No, they just HOPE everything will be all right, and if not, they'll try to CHANGE the subject.

150 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:39:40pm

re: #146 Occasional Reader

That information is classified.

Secret mission, huh? You are a man of mystery.

151 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:40:18pm

re: #150 redstateredneck

Secret mission, huh? You are a man of mystery.

yes....00R

152 mattm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:40:22pm

OT

Cindy Sheean (I think) in on local Public Access TV whining about how the "robber class" stole the election from her and how the Change she started was stolen form her and then never happened. She sounds almost brain damaged, speaking in a really slow voice uncompromisable at times.

153 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:40:34pm

re: #147 IslandLibertarian

I'm amazed by the outfits Ms"0" wears.Here she looks like she is gift-wrapped for a funeral.

/the Queen has no clothes fashion sense !

I think she usually looks really nice.
But when there's a miss, it's a biggie.

155 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:41:06pm

Did Nancy get a pamphlet ?
I don't remember.

156 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:41:13pm

re: #150 redstateredneck

Secret mission, huh? You are a man of mystery.

"Danger" is my middle name.

157 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:41:32pm

re: #122 SteveC

And yet Todd and Sarah Palin decide to put their money where their mouth is and bring a Special Needs child full term, and it's Obama's traveling band who keeps handing out the punishment.

If that had been me in Alaska, I would have ended my resignation speech with the line "...My last official act as Governor will be to tell you to get the hell out of my face!"

Yeah, but that's the Palins. They do their best to say what they mean, live according to their stated principles. To Obama, statements of principle are to be thrown under the bus as soon as they cease to be convenient. Sarah Palin was only a poser as a pageant contestant, Obama is a poser 24/7.

158 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:41:47pm

re: #155 SasquatchOnSteroids

Did Nancy get a pamphlet ?
I don't remember.

The Pope should have dismissed the press and put Pelousy over his knee!

159 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:42:12pm

re: #152 mattm

OT

Cindy Sheean (I think) in on local Public Access TV whining about how the "robber class" stole the election from her and how the Change she started was stolen form her and then never happened. She sounds almost brain damaged, speaking in a really slow voice uncompromisable at times.

Her 15 minutes were up a long time ago.

160 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:42:25pm

re: #145 nyc redneck

it is so inappropriate to use the word "punishment" to describe a baby.
there is no way to spin it and make it acceptable to most people.
because o said it so easily and casually it seems obvious he has no problem w/ abortion at all. i don't believe that he was being sincere when he said to the pope that he was going to reduce abortions in this country. he said what he thought the pope would want to hear.

I read an article today about surgical abortions are down due to the use of the Morning After Pill which now accounts for 25 per cent of all terminations. Could this be what he was talking about?

161 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:42:33pm

re: #145 nyc redneck

Of all the things Obama has said, "punished with a baby" bothers me the most, by far, by far.

I do not think that someone who could think and say that, should have power over other people.

162 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:42:38pm

re: #144 JacksonTn

TSD ... The Shadow Do ... I just always put the nic first because I had a bad experience once when I posted to the wrong person ...

Doh!

I looked up acronyms, the closest I could relate was "treatment, strorage and disposal"! LOL

163 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:43:06pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but that's the Palins. They do their best to say what they mean, live according to their stated principles. To Obama, statements of principle are to be thrown under the bus as soon as they cease to be convenient. Sarah Palin was only a poser as a pageant contestant, Obama is a poser 24/7.

+100 if I had them DF.

164 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:43:09pm

re: #156 Occasional Reader

"Danger" is my middle name.

So we should call you Austin "Danger" Powers?

/kidding

165 ~Fianna  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:43:10pm

re: #75 reine.de.tout

exactly.
And that's sort of what Michelle's head thingie looks like. It's what every good Catholic girl kept in her handbag for when she ended up at Mass without a hat.

That's probably what it is, or something similar. I know that when I was in Italy last winter, the churches, even the tourist ones that charged for admission to see the art, were increadibly strict about what people wore - no shoulders, no knees and some wanted married women's heads covered - they had disposable things available, sort of like the community kippot baskets at Conservative shuls.

Either her dresser came prepared or someone gave her one on the way in.

166 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:43:30pm

re: #42 Killian Bundy

Kennedy-Townsend in Newsweek: Obama 'More Catholic' Than Pope

/so, does TOTUS get to wear the Pope hat now?

Kathleen Kennedy-Townsend is a freaking idiot. When she ran for governor of Maryland, she managed to get the Republican elected, which is a rare occurrence in this state.

167 livefreeor die  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:43:42pm

re: #152 mattm

OT

Cindy Sheean (I think) in on local Public Access TV whining about how the "robber class" stole the election from her and how the Change she started was stolen form her and then never happened. She sounds almost brain damaged, speaking in a really slow voice uncompromisable at times.

Who does she consider the "robber class"? Democrats? Republicans?

168 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:43:46pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

Well, color me ignorant.

Here's a photo of Laura Bush with the same sort of gear on her head.

I just want to say thanks a lot, folks, those of you who updinged my "I'm so stupid" comment.

169 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:43:46pm

More on the veil.

Here's the other term: Mantilla.

170 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:44:06pm

re: #151 albusteve

yes....00R

Heh.

I'm getting over the humiliation of my 12 year old nephew clobbering me at the "Quantum of Solace" Wii game. He's scarily good.

171 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:44:20pm

re: #146 Occasional Reader

That information is classified.

You live a life of danger?


172 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:44:23pm

re: #160 MandyManners

I read an article today about surgical abortions are down due to the use of the Morning After Pill which now accounts for 25 per cent of all terminations. Could this be what he was talking about?

maybe but i do know there is a lot of money to be made in the abortion industry.

173 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:44:40pm

re: #166 Catttt

Kathleen Kennedy-Townsend is a freaking idiot. When she ran for governor of Maryland, she managed to get the Republican elected, which is a rare occurrence in this state.

Yep. Bobby's daughter is a bufoon.

174 Conservative Moonbat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:44:51pm

re: #111 JacksonTn

Obama isn't catholic so I doubt the Pope cares about about his theological background. He'd only be concerned about the the practice of LT within the doman of the catholic church.

I'm still not sure there's such a thing as "black liberation theology." I think it's all just "liberation theology." The race of who is practicing it doesn't substantially change it's character nearly as much as the denomination practicing it.

175 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:45:03pm

re: #171 MandyManners

You live a life of danger?

[Video]

Awesome! I was thinking of linking that. I had the 45 rpm of it and just played the thing to death.

176 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:45:19pm

re: #166 Catttt

Kathleen Kennedy-Townsend is a freaking idiot. When she ran for governor of Maryland, she managed to get the Republican elected, which is a rare occurrence in this state.

Heh. I remember that. She had problems stinging words together to make a coherent sentence. She does have nice legs for an old bird though.....

177 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:46:09pm

re: #174 Conservative Moonbat

Obama isn't catholic so I doubt the Pope cares about about his theological background. He'd only be concerned about the the practice of LT within the doman of the catholic church.

I'm still not sure there's such a thing as "black liberation theology." I think it's all just "liberation theology." The race of who is practicing it doesn't substantially change it's character nearly as much as the denomination practicing it.

CM ... have you read any of Cone's books? .. if not please do so ...

178 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:46:16pm

re: #171 MandyManners

I'm a Secret Asian Man.

179 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:46:19pm

re: #103 MandyManners

OTOH, it just hit me that a negaitve consequence of behavior is a "punishment".

Compare:

We don't want to see these folks who bought a house they couldn't afford punished with a foreclosure.

We don't want to see the UAW punished for bankrupting the auto industry.

We don't think the Iranian government should be punished for its pursuit of the same nuclear technology we've got.

And we certainly don't want to have the folks who voted for the stimulus package punished next November.

180 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:46:31pm

re: #161 Ojoe

Of all the things Obama has said, "punished with a baby" bothers me the most, by far, by far.

I do not think that someone who could think and say that, should have power over other people.

me too. my blood ran cold when he said that. i imagined if i had had a father like that when i was a pregnant teenager.
the picture of the o family is not what it seems.

181 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:46:39pm

re: #172 nyc redneck

maybe but i do know there is a lot of money to be made in the abortion industry.

Not with the advent of the MAPill.

182 SteveC  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:46:56pm

re: #156 Occasional Reader

"Danger" is my middle name.

To yourself? Or to others? :)

////

183 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:47:10pm

re: #178 Occasional Reader

I'm a Secret Asian Man.

I'll leave out the jokes about Long Duk.

184 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:47:16pm
185 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:47:20pm

re: #178 Occasional Reader

I'm a Secret Asian Man.

Can you do a Christopher Walken imitation?

//

186 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:47:21pm

re: #170 Occasional Reader

Heh.

I'm getting over the humiliation of my 12 year old nephew clobbering me at the "Quantum of Solace" Wii game. He's scarily good.

I used to get routinely pounded playing Madden NFL...."dad you don't know crap about football"....jeez

187 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:47:33pm

re: #181 MandyManners

Not with the advent of the MAPill.

If you swallow that pill you will never get lost.

188 Pigtown Water Dog  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:47:45pm

re: #176 Truck Monkey

Heh. KKT referred to the horse named War Admiral as War Monger. I also saw her once at a daytime event NOT wearing a slip! Maryland politics-flavor of pleh.

189 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:47:53pm

re: #179 Dar ul Harb

Compare:

We don't want to see these folks who bought a house they couldn't afford punished with a foreclosure.

We don't want to see the UAW punished for bankrupting the auto industry.

We don't think the Iranian government should be punished for its pursuit of the same nuclear technology we've got.

And we certainly don't want to have the folks who voted for the stimulus package punished next November.

You could have a point.

190 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:47:54pm

re: #182 SteveC

To yourself? Or to others? :)

////

Why make me choose!

191 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:47:54pm

re: #183 MandyManners

I'll leave out the jokes about Long Duk.

"No more yankie my wankie!"

Loved that movie :P

192 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:48:17pm

re: #184 Ojoe

The Towercam is getting better...

The first one about blinded me!

193 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:48:19pm

re: #176 Truck Monkey

Heh. I remember that. She had problems stinging words together to make a coherent sentence. She does have nice legs for an old bird though.....

You hetero men have one-track minds. But as the great Mae West said (and my daddy quoted to me a lot), "It's better to be looked over than over-looked."

194 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:48:34pm

Poor Michelle. I guess J Crew doesn't make a lace mantilla.

195 mattm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:48:43pm

re: #167 livefreeor die

Who does she consider the "robber class"? Democrats? Republicans?

I believe anyone but her. She is hawking a bookmanifesto she claims to have written called "myth america" this is currently in a 3 ring binder.

196 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:49:08pm

re: #192 MandyManners

It will be really nice when the sun gets lower than the ridge line.

197 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:49:09pm

re: #187 Truck Monkey

If you swallow that pill you will never get lost.

Oh, dear me. The most excellent pun I've seen in a while.

198 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:50:08pm

re: #193 Catttt

You hetero men have one-track minds. But as the great Mae West said (and my daddy quoted to me a lot), "It's better to be looked over than over-looked."

The thing I most remember about her is that she couldn't speak intelligently concerning ANYTHING about Maryland. Made you wonder what planet she came from.

199 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:50:10pm

BBL

200 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:50:12pm
201 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:50:38pm

re: #174 Conservative Moonbat

Doesn't look like just 'liberation theology' from here.

Black Value System

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System in 1981. It was written by lay persons of Trinity under the leadership of Vallmer Jordan.

We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements:
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing acquired skills available for strengthening and supporting Black institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System

202 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:50:48pm

re: #194 redstateredneck

Poor Michelle. I guess J Crew doesn't make a lace mantilla.

Her mantilla looks normal to me (Catholically speaking), but the dress is kinda baggy. She could have worn something a little less so without freaking the Pope out, me thinks.

I actually usually like her clothes sense. This time, I think she was dressed using a checklist from the Holy See.

203 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:50:56pm

re: #191 Mithrax

"No more yankie my wankie!"

Loved that movie :P

The Donger needs food.


204 livefreeor die  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:51:09pm

re: #195 mattm

I believe anyone but her. She is hawking a bookmanifesto she claims to have written called "myth america" this is currently in a 3 ring binder.

That woman needs help. Seriously. The Dems were happy to use her to push their agenda and then dumped her when her mental health issues became too obvious to ignore. Someone should have tried to get her some counseling.

205 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:51:49pm
The pope also gave the president a copy of his latest encyclical, "Charity in Truth," which called for a "world political authority" to manage the global economy and for more government regulation of national economies to pull the world out of the current crisis and avoid a repeat.

Huh ?

206 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:51:56pm

re: #126 JacksonTn

Reine ... at mass? no ... but dang we could really roll up those uniform skirts and play up the knee-highs after school ... then go to confession at Friday mass ...

My school made us wear these really ugly jumpers - can't roll those up.

207 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:51:56pm

Mantillas on Flickr.

First one is really nice.

208 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:52:09pm

Later.

209 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:52:23pm

re: #203 MandyManners

The Donger needs food.

[Video]

Automobilie?

210 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:52:24pm

re: #196 Ojoe

It will be really nice when the sun gets lower than the ridge line.

The line "touched the face of God" comes to mind when I see the photographs you post.

211 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:52:29pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Obama is an ass grabbing socialist!

Two Timing Bastard

212 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:52:31pm

re: #202 Catttt

Her mantilla looks normal to me (Catholically speaking), but the dress is kinda baggy. She could have worn something a little less so without freaking the Pope out, me thinks.

I actually usually like her clothes sense. This time, I think she was dressed using a checklist from the Holy See.

I agree with you.
Plus, she looks uncomfortable.

213 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:52:55pm

re: #201 pink freud

Doesn't look like just 'liberation theology' from here.

Black Value System

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System in 1981. It was written by lay persons of Trinity under the leadership of Vallmer Jordan.

We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements:
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing acquired skills available for strengthening and supporting Black institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System

Remember, folks: This is the church Obama attended for over 20 years. (Ir can't be said enough.)

214 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:53:21pm

re: #209 Mithrax

Automobilie?

You got me there.

215 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:53:23pm

re: #201 pink freud

Doesn't look like just 'liberation theology' from here.

Black Value System

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System in 1981. It was written by lay persons of Trinity under the leadership of Vallmer Jordan.

We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements:
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing acquired skills available for strengthening and supporting Black institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System

And this has advanced the black community how?

216 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:53:44pm

re: #204 livefreeor die

That woman needs help. Seriously. The Dems were happy to use her to push their agenda and then dumped her when her mental health issues became too obvious to ignore. Someone should have tried to get her some counseling.

They shouldn't have thrown her in front of the cameras in the first place. She was never really all there. The Code Pink hags should be sued. The Cindy Sheehan story is not over and it definately won't end well.

217 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:53:53pm

re: #210 MandyManners

Well it is a camera put in place by astronomers, who in a way are looking for the face of God.

really BBL now

218 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:53:58pm

re: #198 Truck Monkey

The thing I most remember about her is that she couldn't speak intelligently concerning ANYTHING about Maryland. Made you wonder what planet she came from.

Damn carpetbagger. But I think it was her cluelessness and Gov. Ehrlich's intelligence (and he was cute) that did her in.

219 JarHeadLifer  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:54:15pm

re: #22 EmmmieG

I'm not Catholic, but with as many millions of Catholics as this country has, it behooves the president to at least know what the theology is.

Hear, hear. And, while Obama is leafing through countless reams of Catholic encyclicals, he might pick up a copy of the US Constitution and give that a once over. He might be surprised what it says.

220 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:54:15pm

re: #214 MandyManners

You got me there.

Whatsa happenin hot stuff?

Sigh. gonna have to rent that again to watch it. Been many a moon.

221 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:54:22pm

re: #215 Erik The Red

And this has advanced the black community how?

I don't know ....but it's gone gone from the website now. Wonder why?

222 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:54:23pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Obama is an ass grabbing socialist!

And an ass staring shnook as well.

How about we all just agree that Obama is just an ass in general? :D

223 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:54:25pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Obama is an ass grabbing socialist!

Oh, that's just his way of apologizing for checking out that girl's caboose.

"S'aright baby, you know it ain't no thang."

224 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:54:31pm

a Pope story....
my daughter spent the summer in Rome before her senior year of college...a tour was set up for the Vatican and all these foreign students were supposed to meet the Pope...when it came down the meeting was cancelled because the Pope was not feeling well...several days later some envoy showed up at their hotel and told them all to shake it and get going because the meeting was on again...so eighty kids all piled into a Pope bus and they were driven back and directly presented to him....it took quite some time but he spoke to each and every student personally and blessed them....she told me the Pope had very bad breath...anyway the guy made it right for all those kids and needless to say they were all very impressed

225 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:54:39pm

re: #202 Catttt

Her mantilla looks normal to me (Catholically speaking), but the dress is kinda baggy. She could have worn something a little less so without freaking the Pope out, me thinks.

I actually usually like her clothes sense. This time, I think she was dressed using a checklist from the Holy See.

No bare arms...check
No accentuate the booty...check

Yeah, you're right. She went overboard trying to be modest.

226 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:55:15pm

re: #145 nyc redneck

it is so inappropriate to use the word "punishment" to describe a baby.

Your baby is not a teenager yet, is it?

227 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:55:29pm

re: #208 Occasional Reader

Later.

Danger calls...

228 Conservative Moonbat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:55:45pm

re: #180 nyc redneck

me too. my blood ran cold when he said that. i imagined if i had had a father like that when i was a pregnant teenager.
the picture of the o family is not what it seems.

Maybe I can give a little insight. There is a belief in pro-choice circles that prolifers feel that the "punishment" for sex out of wedlock should be a baby, that the girl's/woman's life should be ruined because she commited the sinful act of having sex. It's not just something obama said. It's common in how a big chucnk of the left views the pro-life movement.

229 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:55:52pm

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

And an ass staring shnook as well.

How about we all just agree that Obama is just an ass in general? :D

I can appreciate a man who appreciates a nice turd cutter.

/sorry to offend.

230 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:56:10pm

re: #225 redstateredneck

No bare arms...check
No accentuate the booty...check

Yeah, you're right. She went overboard trying to be modest.

And we know there is a lean, muscular, toned female body in that sack she's wearing, so it looks even more weird to us.

231 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:56:41pm

re: #228 Conservative Moonbat

Maybe I can give a little insight. There is a belief in pro-choice circles that prolifers feel that the "punishment" for sex out of wedlock should be a baby, that the girl's/woman's life should be ruined because she commited the sinful act of having sex. It's not just something obama said. It's common in how a big chucnk of the left views the pro-life movement.

Once again, the left gets it wrong.

232 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:56:45pm

I'm jonesing for a Glambert fix.

233 Conservative Moonbat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:56:46pm

re: #201 pink freud

I'd go so far as to say that's no longer liberation theology.

234 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:56:55pm

re: #226 razorbacker

Your baby is not a teenager yet, is it?

HAHAHA!

235 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:56:56pm

Thunderboomers and hail!

236 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:57:20pm

re: #215 Erik The Red

And this has advanced the black community how?

EtR .. it does not ... it keeps them in "victim" mode ...

237 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:57:43pm

re: #233 Conservative Moonbat

I'd go so far as to say that's no longer liberation theology.

Take it up with the Rev Wright. That's what he calls it. Read some Cone, like Jackson suggested.

238 mattm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:57:44pm

re: #216 Truck Monkey

They shouldn't have thrown her in front of the cameras in the first place. She was never really all there. The Code Pink hags should be sued. The Cindy Sheehan story is not over and it definately won't end well.

I could not watch more than a few minutes. It was painful to watch her speak.

239 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:57:59pm

re: #230 Catttt

And we know there is a lean, muscular, toned female body in that sack she's wearing, so it looks even more weird to us.

Hell, yeah...I envy her her arms.

240 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:58:01pm

re: #233 Conservative Moonbat

I'd go so far as to say that's no longer liberation theology.

Then what would you call it, CM?

241 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:58:23pm

re: #236 JacksonTn

EtR .. it does not ... it keeps them in "victim" mode ...

'victim votes'....millions and millions of them

242 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:58:56pm

Adam Lamberts offering for Country Night on AI, remixed. Get out your fire extinguishers. :D /can't help myself.

243 sngnsgt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:58:59pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Obama is an ass grabbing socialist!

Well, ass is to Obama as Obama is to ass.

244 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:59:09pm

crap.
I had one chocolate chip cookie left, and I just dropped it in the dog's water bowl.
wahh!

245 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:59:17pm

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

Then what would you call it, CM?

left wing racist propaganda?....too many words?

246 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:59:34pm

re: #244 reine.de.tout

crap.
I had one chocolate chip cookie left, and I just dropped it in the dog's water bowl.
wahh!

So ?

/

247 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:59:39pm

re: #238 mattm

I could not watch more than a few minutes. It was painful to watch her speak.

I think that it is on par with Howard Stern throwing Stutterers and Angry/drunk dwarfs in front of microphones. Very sadistic.

248 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:59:52pm

Holy smokes we're getting a serious thunderstorm here.

249 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:59:57pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

Obama is an ass grabbing socialist!

Wow, lokk at that!

it's got to be well over two feet across

250 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 7:59:57pm

re: #233 Conservative Moonbat

I'd go so far as to say that's no longer liberation theology.

CM ... I would go so far as to say you don't know crap about Black Liberation Theology ... go read Cone's books ...

251 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:00:11pm

re: #244 reine.de.tout

crap.
I had one chocolate chip cookie left, and I just dropped it in the dog's water bowl.
wahh!

*hides the ice cream*

252 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:00:32pm

re: #244 reine.de.tout

crap.
I had one chocolate chip cookie left, and I just dropped it in the dog's water bowl.
wahh!

Hurry. Maybe the dog hasn't noticed yet.

Think of it as weak coffee.

253 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:00:59pm

re: #249 Killian Bundy

Wow, lokk at that!

it's got to be well over two feet across

heh...hahaha!...oh man

254 sngnsgt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:01:15pm

re: #244 reine.de.tout

crap.
I had one chocolate chip cookie left, and I just dropped it in the dog's water bowl.
wahh!

It didn't hit the floor did it? A little bit of milk will wash it off. ;-)

If the dog didn't get to it first...

255 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:01:16pm

re: #244 reine.de.tout

crap.
I had one chocolate chip cookie left, and I just dropped it in the dog's water bowl.
wahh!

Am I the only one who needs to know the number of left before I decide to start eating them?

256 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:01:19pm

re: #239 redstateredneck

Hell, yeah...I envy her her arms.

Did anyone see Dmitri Medvedevs wifes arms? So at least with the WAB we won the most important arms race. ; )

257 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:01:23pm

re: #252 razorbacker

Hurry. Maybe the dog hasn't noticed yet.

Think of it as weak coffee.

ROFL!

258 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:01:29pm

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

And an ass staring shnook as well.

How about we all just agree that Obama is just an ass in general? :D

Hi, DF: I take it you don't give any credit to the video version of this scene? "Ass in general" I can buy, but in the video he's looking toward a different young woman as he offers her his arm. Not acting like an ass in this particular situation, I don't think. Even Walter and I agree, and you know that's a first. :)

259 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:01:54pm

re: #242 Catttt

He was pretty good on his other arrangements, but that just did not work at all.

260 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:02:19pm

re: #217 Ojoe

Well it is a camera put in place by astronomers, who in a way are looking for the face of God.

really BBL now

Oh, yes. Yes, they are.

Maybe God's looking at them look for Him.

261 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:02:32pm

re: #244 reine.de.tout

crap.
I had one chocolate chip cookie left, and I just dropped it in the dog's water bowl.
wahh!

5 second rule does not apply in dog water.

262 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:02:36pm

re: #251 Mithrax

*hides the ice cream*

Before taking the last of the ice cream, ask yourself this question:
What Is Your Life Worth?

263 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:02:48pm

re: #235 Gus 802

Thunderboomers and hail!

Thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightening?

264 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:03:03pm

re: #262 reine.de.tout

Before taking the last of the ice cream, ask yourself this question:
What Is Your Life Worth?

Apparently, a tub of chocolate fudge crackle ice cream :P

265 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:03:14pm

re: #261 redstateredneck

5 second rule does not apply in dog water.

Oh, thanks.

I really wanted that cookie.

266 livefreeor die  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:03:34pm

re: #263 Dar ul Harb

Thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightening?

Galileo-
Galileo-
Galileo, let me go.

267 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:03:38pm

re: #220 Mithrax

Whatsa happenin hot stuff?

Sigh. gonna have to rent that again to watch it. Been many a moon.

Just getting The Kd to bed.

Oh, wait.

HA!

268 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:03:43pm

re: #253 albusteve

heh...hahaha!...oh man

/I think that's what's politely called bodacious, or is it spacious?

269 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:03:43pm

My wife bought a swifter today, and this fucking mop won't leave us alone now.

/

270 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:03:56pm

re: #263 Dar ul Harb

Thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightening?

Who is, Queen?

//

271 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:04:36pm

Well, I guess that I'd better get to bed.

I have been informed that I have a very busy day tomorrow.

Who knew?

272 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:04:41pm

re: #269 SasquatchOnSteroids

My wife bought a swifter today, and this fucking mop won't leave us alone now.

/

"Baby, come back..."

273 sngnsgt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:04:41pm

re: #265 reine.de.tout

Oh, thanks.

I really wanted that cookie.

Did the dog didn't say, "Hey, you got your cookie in my water." did he/she?

274 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:04:44pm

CM ...if you don't want to read his books ... start with some of his own words ... the guy is a jewel ...

275 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:04:47pm

re: #268 Killian Bundy

/I think that's what's politely called bodacious, or is it spacious?

like the bow of a Typhoon

276 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:04:48pm

re: #264 Mithrax

Apparently, a tub of chocolate fudge crackle ice cream :P

If you're going to have to die for it, I reccomend Phish Food from Ben n Jerry's or Godiva milk chocolate ice cream.... anything less is a real toss up, as to whether or not it's worth it.....

277 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:05:12pm

re: #271 razorbacker

Well, I guess that I'd better get to bed.

I have been informed that I have a very busy day tomorrow.

Who knew?

Nighty-night!

278 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:05:14pm

re: #256 Truck Monkey

Did anyone see Dmitri Medvedevs wifes arms? So at least with the WAB we won the most important arms race. ; )

What? What? I didn't see. What about her arms? Gotta know.

279 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:05:38pm

re: #261 redstateredneck

5 second rule does not apply in dog water.

Isn't it the chip-side-up rule?

280 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:05:46pm

re: #248 Gus 802

Holy smokes we're getting a serious thunderstorm here.

I prefer the nonchalant thunderstorms.

281 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:06:05pm

re: #280 MandyManners

I prefer the nonchalant thunderstorms.

the melancholy ones never seem to end.

282 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:06:06pm

re: #273 sngnsgt

Did the dog didn't say, "Hey, you got your cookie in my water." did he/she?

The dog ate the cookie.
The dog will eat anything.
You really don't wanna know.

283 Conservative Moonbat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:06:09pm

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

Then what would you call it, CM?

A typical radical black church?

As I understand it, LT is basicly catholic theology viewed through the lens of the marxist dialectic. Poverity is equated to evil so by eliminating poverty from the world one is eliminating evil. If you remove the whole class struggle element from the equation you've got nothing.

(I took a philosophy class on marx and marxism ten years ago that brushed on this shit. My memory is poor and LT wasn't the focus of the class)

284 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:06:13pm

Sheesh! It's been dark for almost an hour and it's still 94 degrees here in Lubbock. High today was 105, a record for this date after 107 yesterday.

285 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:06:20pm

re: #270 Gus 802

Who is, Queen?

//

Um, not me.

(But I'm sure there's a queen around here someplace.)

286 livefreeor die  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:06:21pm

re: #278 Catttt

What? What? I didn't see. What about her arms? Gotta know.

"Quaid, start the reactor..."

287 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:06:27pm

re: #279 Catttt

Isn't it the chip-side-up rule?

Ooh, that's a new one on me. I like it.

288 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:07:04pm

re: #280 MandyManners

I prefer the nonchalant thunderstorms.

I'd take whatever...

289 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:08:02pm

re: #280 MandyManners

I prefer the nonchalant thunderstorms.

The mumbling thunderstorm.

//

290 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:08:03pm

re: #258 ShanghaiEd

Hi, DF: I take it you don't give any credit to the video version of this scene? "Ass in general" I can buy, but in the video he's looking toward a different young woman as he offers her his arm. Not acting like an ass in this particular situation, I don't think. Even Walter and I agree, and you know that's a first. :)

video.

291 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:08:10pm

re: #258 ShanghaiEd

Hi, DF: I take it you don't give any credit to the video version of this scene? "Ass in general" I can buy, but in the video he's looking toward a different young woman as he offers her his arm. Not acting like an ass in this particular situation, I don't think. Even Walter and I agree, and you know that's a first. :)

I haven't seen the video.

292 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:08:15pm

My arm on my left side is bigger than my arm on my right - radiation (breast cancer treatment). I'm really self-conscious about it, but no one else really notices. I've seen pix of people from Chernobyl, and I have nothing to fret about but am vain about it anyway.

293 David Simon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:08:18pm

re: #249 Killian Bundy

Wow, lokk at that!

it's got to be well over two feet across

lol. A little trickier than palming a basketball.

294 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:08:30pm

re: #152 mattm

OT

Cindy Sheean (I think) in on local Public Access TV whining about how the "robber class" stole the election from her and how the Change she started was stolen form her and then never happened. She sounds almost brain damaged, speaking in a really slow voice uncompromisable at times.

her 15 minutes is over and no one is paying any attention to her.
she could end up a bag lady on the street or in a ditch. the mfm used her
maliciously and cruelly. she was their battering ram against pres. bush.
she is of no use to them now. i bet she is a pest calling them all the time,
wondering where are the cameras.
it is sad, really, but this is exactly how i knew it would end up for her.

295 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:08:37pm

re: #263 Dar ul Harb

Thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightening?

I'm just a poor boy.


296 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:09:03pm

personally, even tho I'm guilty, I think we should scale back the criticism of Michelle Obama...her clothes and tastes and the rest should be left alone...I'm working on that because I can get too carried away

297 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:09:08pm

An oldie but a goody

The Human League - Together in Electric Dreams (from the movie of the same name

298 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:09:32pm

re: #295 MandyManners

I'm just a poor boy.

[Video]

There you go. I was looking for one too.

299 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:09:36pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

I haven't seen the video.


He really isn't ogling. Clinton would've grabbed that ass.

300 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:09:38pm

re: #280 MandyManners

I prefer the nonchalant thunderstorms.

But those jocular straight-line winds, they just don't know when to quit sometimes...

301 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:09:56pm

re: #290 avanti

video.

That does cast things in a different light, but I'm not inclined to give Obama the benefit of the doubt.

302 Conservative Moonbat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:10:35pm

re: #274 JacksonTn

thanks.

303 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:10:48pm

re: #284 Shiplord Kirel

Sheesh! It's been dark for almost an hour and it's still 94 degrees here in Lubbock. High today was 105, a record for this date after 107 yesterday.

you need some altitude over there...when the sun goes down in ABQ the temps drop very fast

304 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:10:52pm

re: #282 reine.de.tout

The dog ate the cookie.
The dog will eat anything.
You really don't wanna know.

I remember a funny Kennedy story - I think it was Robert and Ethyl Kennedy. They were having a dinner and had a table laid out for diners to get stuff. The huge dog knocked it over. They let the dog clean it up - he ate everything but the lettuce.

305 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:11:07pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

I haven't seen the video.


I posted a link on a previous thread. I think he was innocent of oogling. Sarkozy, however, is still busted.

306 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:12:24pm

re: #292 Catttt

My arm on my left side is bigger than my arm on my right - radiation (breast cancer treatment). I'm really self-conscious about it, but no one else really notices. I've seen pix of people from Chernobyl, and I have nothing to fret about but am vain about it anyway.

My arm on my left side is all effed up. Compound fracture to my wrist years ago.

307 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:12:26pm

re: #305 VioletTiger

I posted a link on a previous thread. I think he was innocent of oogling. Sarkozy, however, is still busted.

But Pres. Sarkozy is excused - he's French. I love that French smirk. It's so - French.

308 slotgun  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:12:43pm

So he wants to end abortions, eh? That makes him an accomplice to the Tiller Killer in Doo-Dah, Kansas!

309 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:13:05pm

re: #296 albusteve

personally, even tho I'm guilty, I think we should scale back the criticism of Michelle Obama...her clothes and tastes and the rest should be left alone...I'm working on that because I can get too carried away

As long as its not a "thee not me" moment, I'm all for that.
And the kids. Let 'em be kids and leave 'em alone.

310 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:13:06pm

re: #281 Mithrax

the melancholy ones never seem to end.

One of my most precious memories is waking up on a Saturday morning in East Tennessee when I was a teen when a storm was slowly working its way through the holler in which I lived. I'll stop now because I cannot find the words to describe it.

311 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:13:15pm

re: #307 Catttt

But Pres. Sarkozy is excused - he's French. I love that French smirk. It's so - French.

That is almost exactly what I was going to say....

312 EmmmieG  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:13:35pm

re: #307 Catttt

But Pres. Sarkozy is excused - he's French. I love that French smirk. It's so - French.

Yeah, I was thinking that he has to be elected in France, and if he didn't check it out, they would think something was wrong with him.

313 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:13:47pm

re: #288 redstateredneck

I'd take whatever...

MUST RESIST.

314 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:13:50pm

re: #292 Catttt

My arm on my left side is bigger than my arm on my right - radiation (breast cancer treatment). I'm really self-conscious about it, but no one else really notices. I've seen pix of people from Chernobyl, and I have nothing to fret about but am vain about it anyway.

I worked with a lady whose arms were similarly affected.
She was self-conscious, too, but honestly - it was not noticeable to anybody else, unless she said something about it.

When you are a survivor, wear your battle scars with pride.

315 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:13:56pm

re: #259 redstateredneck

He was pretty good on his other arrangements, but that just did not work at all.

It grows on you. Really.

316 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:14:30pm

re: #306 redstateredneck

My arm on my left side is all effed up. Compound fracture to my wrist years ago.

I did something like that...left humerus broken in 3 places...Left arm is shorter than the right now....and no good for getting a blood pressure reading, or an IV started....other than that I don't notice much

317 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:14:45pm

re: #201 pink freud

Doesn't look like just 'liberation theology' from here.

Black Value System

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System in 1981. It was written by lay persons of Trinity under the leadership of Vallmer Jordan.

We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements:
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing acquired skills available for strengthening and supporting Black institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System

i can't help but think that if this had gotten out to the public, o would not have been elected. especially how the black value system ended up w/ rev wright spewing it. nothing but hate and racism and separatism after all the effort of the civil rights movement.

318 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:14:47pm

re: #298 Gus 802

There you go. I was looking for one too.

A poor boy or a monstrosity?

*rad*

319 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:14:50pm

re: #310 MandyManners

One of my most precious memories is waking up on a Saturday morning in East Tennessee when I was a teen when a storm was slowly working its way through the holler in which I lived. I'll stop now because I cannot find the words to describe it.

Years ago, when I was in school in Halifax I used to go to Point Pleasant Park and just stare out into the ocean. Helped clear my mind.

One day, a winter storm was rolling in off the ocean and I just watched it come in, snow gently falling on the water, then on me.

Was perfect.

320 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:15:02pm

re: #313 MandyManners

MUST RESIST.

You have to say that in your best Captain Kirk voice.

"Must resist temptation to..."

//

321 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:15:09pm

re: #307 Catttt

But Pres. Sarkozy is excused - he's French. I love that French smirk. It's so - French.

Yes, I am sure not even an eyebrow was raised in France. I do think we should call it 'Tailgate'.

322 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:15:28pm

Oh yea, the first person in this video is Dr. Gerardine G. Botte.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLHT5ffW2ZQ

/she's about to turn your urine into hydrogen huel

323 itellu3times  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:15:49pm

re: #201 pink freud

13. Black Sabbath

324 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:15:50pm
In a surprise move, the pontiff gave Obama a booklet explaining Vatican opposition to practices such as abortion and embryonic stem cell research, which Obama supports.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You go Ben!

325 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:15:56pm

re: #317 nyc redneck

i can't help but think that if this had gotten out to the public, o would not have been elected. especially how the black value system ended up w/ rev wright spewing it. nothing but hate and racism and separatism after all the effort of the civil rights movement.

Pure racism and he voluntarily embraced it. Not many ways to spin that.

326 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:16:00pm

re: #318 MandyManners

A poor boy or a monstrosity?

*rad*

You know. I thought about that just a second ago. I was thinking, "great, I just said I was looking for a poor boy."

Just the video. ;)

327 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:16:01pm

re: #308 slotgun

GAZE

328 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:16:08pm

re: #301 Dark_Falcon

That does cast things in a different light, but I'm not inclined to give Obama the benefit of the doubt.

Fair enough, by I only see him stepping down to make room for the black girl, then taking her hand and watching her step. The French dude, is a different matter.
Sometimes I wonder if the MSM releases a picture like that just to stir the pot, hoping those that make a issue of it will look silly in the end. Why use just that one awkward moment ?

329 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:16:20pm

re: #302 Conservative Moonbat

thanks.

CM ... oh, you are welcome ... and if you can stand to listen long enough ... listen to his spew about reparations ... and then there are other parts ot his videos ... his books were sold in the bookstore at TCC and the church is based on his teachings ... you see you were not here when we were discussing all this during the primaries and the general ... as many others who came here after the campaign do not want to "see" some things about Obama ... and his crew ...

330 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:16:28pm

re: #322 Killian Bundy

Oh yea, the first person in this video is Dr. Gerardine G. Botte.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLHT5ffW2ZQ

/she's about to turn your urine into hydrogen huel

331 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:16:40pm

re: #300 Dar ul Harb

But those jocular straight-line winds, they just don't know when to quit sometimes...

"Jocularity! Jocularity!"

Name that character.

332 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:16:49pm

re: #244 reine.de.tout

crap.
I had one chocolate chip cookie left, and I just dropped it in the dog's water bowl.
wahh!

Lucky dog. :)

333 livefreeor die  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:17:14pm

The MSM is going nuts over Bush's domestic surveillance policies again.

Ahem, for those who missed it the first time,

BUSH IS NO LONGER PRESIDENT

334 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:17:15pm

re: #330 Killian Bundy

[Video]

In that case I might be able to provide fuel for 100s.

335 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:17:21pm

re: #331 MandyManners

"Jocularity! Jocularity!"

Name that character.

Father Mulcahey(no idea how to spell it)

336 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:17:51pm

re: #310 MandyManners

One of my most precious memories is waking up on a Saturday morning in East Tennessee when I was a teen when a storm was slowly working its way through the holler in which I lived. I'll stop now because I cannot find the words to describe it.

I have always loved being outside right before a thunderstorm when the air is charged and you can just feel the energy building.

337 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:17:52pm

re: #331 MandyManners

Radar?

338 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:18:21pm

re: #319 Mithrax

Years ago, when I was in school in Halifax I used to go to Point Pleasant Park and just stare out into the ocean. Helped clear my mind.

One day, a winter storm was rolling in off the ocean and I just watched it come in, snow gently falling on the water, then on me.

Was perfect.

Perfect sublimity.

BTW, I useta' be a Goof Newf!

339 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:18:34pm

re: #337 pink freud

srb, can I have some of your memory pills? :-)

340 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:18:43pm

re: #160 MandyManners

I read an article today about surgical abortions are down due to the use of the Morning After Pill which now accounts for 25 per cent of all terminations. Could this be what he was talking about?

Mandy: Looks like this week's court ruling re: pharmacists will effectively mainstream the morning-after pill if it wasn't already.

...The three 9th Circuit judges found common ground despite differing outlooks: Two conservatives named to the court by President George W. Bush and a liberal named by President Clinton made up the panel.

The right to freely exercise one's religion "does not relieve an individual of the obligation to comply with a valid and neutral law of general applicability," the 9th Circuit panel wrote.

I probably should know the answer to this, but do people have a reason for objecting to the morning-after pill other than the fact that the zygote is 24 hours more developed? Thanks for any enlightenment.

341 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:18:52pm

Obama gave the Pope his Little Blue Book?

Evening Honcos!

342 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:19:25pm

re: #339 pink freud

srb, can I have some of your memory pills? :-)

Only if you're willing to accept that you will never remember the important stuff = )

343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:19:26pm

Does the Pope hand out leaflets in the Vatican?

344 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:19:31pm

re: #338 MandyManners

Perfect sublimity.

BTW, I useta' be a Goof Newf!

Good lord.

I was screeched in years ago, and then when I was living in Labrador it was like old times.

As any canadian can tell you, you've never partied until you've partied with a newfie.

345 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:19:57pm

re: #308 slotgun

So he wants to end abortions, eh? That makes him an accomplice to the Tiller Killer in Doo-Dah, Kansas!

Well, I'm glad you're here to tell us these things.
Chewy ! Take the Professor and plug him into the hyperdrive.

346 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:19:58pm

re: #328 avanti

Fair enough, by I only see him stepping down to make room for the black girl, then taking her hand and watching her step. The French dude, is a different matter.
Sometimes I wonder if the MSM releases a picture like that just to stir the pot, hoping those that make a issue of it will look silly in the end. Why use just that one awkward moment ?

speaking of stirring the pot, what do you think of BO embracing BLT and his relationship with White?...pretty disgusting eh?

347 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:19:59pm

re: #342 srb1976

Only if you're willing to accept that you will never remember the important stuff = )

That's been happening for years ...with no pills!

348 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:20:21pm

Good evening y'all - how is everyone doing and what are we talkng about tonight?

349 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:20:21pm

re: #316 srb1976

I did something like that...left humerus broken in 3 places...Left arm is shorter than the right now....and no good for getting a blood pressure reading, or an IV started....other than that I don't notice much

Mine healed all wonky and then they had to take a piece of the humerus out. It's not even attached at the wrist any more. Could've been much worse, though, so I consider it a blessing.

350 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:20:32pm

re: #320 Gus 802

You have to say that in your best Captain Kirk voice.

"Must resist temptation to..."

//

Well, my tribble is that I cannot do a good Kirk.

351 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:20:42pm

Something to chill out with.

Reminds me of my first girlfriend (fist kiss too!)

Blue Rodeo - Lost Together

352 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:20:50pm

I know how we started going down this road. Do we really want to continue talking about abortion?

353 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:21:01pm

re: #139 Killian Bundy

/gee, maybe the Pope should just pick another religion

Yeah. Obama can just take his place. I hear he's still looking for a church.

354 J.D.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:21:04pm
(CBS) This week, British researchers announced another extraordinary breakthrough in medical research. They have taken stem cells from an embryo and created human sperm. It's very exciting, said the man who led the team. They have heads, they have tails, and they move. They have all the essential qualities for creating life. The aim, we are told, is to revolutionize the treatment of infertility. But this discovery has created some interesting dilemmas. Sperm could be produced from female stem cells. That would mean women would no longer need men to create babies. It could also be theoretically used to produce an unlimited supply of babies from one stem cell line -- millions of babies who are exactly the same. Will it happen? Probably not. Could it happen? Almost certainly, yes. One of the opponents of this kind of research called it an example of man at his maddest. There are those who doubt the claims made by these researchers, but the truth is, it is only one of a remarkable series of medical breakthroughs involving stem cells. What these and other researchers are doing is ripping up the codes of law and morality by which we conduct our lives. The pace of discovery has left our legislators floundering. And to make the whole matter more alarming, the pace of that change is increasing. Take these fine shining teeth, for instance -- currently being rebuilt by a top man down the road with the aid of bone implants and titanium bolts. High tech - I said to my dental surgeon. It will soon be out of date, he replied. In future we will grow you nice new teeth from stem cells. In fact, he said, some people are already trying it. But the rats they are using tend to grow the right teeth in the wrong places. So not quite suitable for me yet. ...

Manufactured sperm, teeth ... wherever, what could be better?
Sperm From Stem Cells

355 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:21:24pm

re: #343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Does the Pope hand out leaflets in the Vatican?

just the Tour Guides....nothing political

356 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:21:26pm

re: #350 MandyManners

Well, my tribble is that I cannot do a good Kirk.

Sensors detect some Star Trek puns?

/

357 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:21:30pm

re: #308 slotgun

So he wants to end abortions, eh? That makes him an accomplice to the Tiller Killer in Doo-Dah, Kansas!

Oh, go piss up a rope.

358 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:21:34pm

re: #324 Ward Cleaver

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You go Ben!

Since Pelosi tried to spin the Church's policies on her visit, he made a good move to be sure there was no misunderstanding.

359 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:21:41pm

re: #348 realwest

Good evening y'all - how is everyone doing and what are we talkng about tonight?

Memory pills, ass, arms, thunderstorms, and black liberation theology.

And Reine's last cookie fell into the dog's water bowl.

How're you?

360 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:21:55pm

re: #349 redstateredneck

Mine healed all wonky and then they had to take a piece of the humerus out. It's not even attached at the wrist any more. Could've been much worse, though, so I consider it a blessing.

Same here, mine healed ok, they just never got it quite straight...the whole bone curves(that's why it's shorter)....but the surgery scar would have been much more obvious....still feel very lucky

361 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:21:56pm

re: #327 Dark_Falcon

GAZE

Thanks for the tip on No. 308.

362 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:22:02pm

re: #356 Gus 802

Sensors detect some Star Trek puns?

/

It's Gorn to be a long night.

363 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:22:05pm

re: #321 VioletTiger

Yes, I am sure not even an eyebrow was raised in France. I do think we should call it 'Tailgate'.

I thought it was cute. But then, I'm not exactly conservative on "looking at cute butts" issues.

364 J.D.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:22:36pm

re: #348 {realwest}

Good evening y'all - how is everyone doing and what are we talkng about tonight?


The "a" word we used to not bring up here, if you get my drift.

365 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:22:40pm

re: #362 Dar ul Harb

It's Gorn to be a long night.

I always find those fascinating.

366 livefreeor die  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:22:41pm

re: #352 Erik The Red

I know how we started going down this road. Do we really want to continue talking about abortion?

I thought we had moved on to M*A*S*H, ogling (or not), Star Trek, and Sixteen Candles.

367 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:22:43pm

re: #348 realwest

Good evening y'all - how is everyone doing and what are we talkng about tonight?

{ { {real} } } Big FNDT huggies for you, mister!

368 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:23:02pm

re: #354 J.D.
Hey there {J.D.} - did you say manufactured TEETH? This is something I gotta hear or read about!

369 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:23:04pm

re: #353 capitalist piglet

Yeah. Obama can just take his place. I hear he's still looking for a church.

I thought he was looking for the entire kingdom.

Good evening CP!

370 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:23:25pm

re: #335 srb1976

Father Mulcahey(no idea how to spell it)

YES! YES YES!

371 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:23:33pm

re: #352 Erik The Red

I know how we started going down this road. Do we really want to continue talking about abortion?

That used to be a taboo subject on LGF.

372 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:24:19pm

re: #371 redstateredneck

That used to be a taboo subject on LGF.

For a really good reason.

373 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:24:50pm

re: #371 redstateredneck

That used to be a taboo subject on LGF.

has the taboo been lifted?...I don't recall

374 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:24:54pm

re: #370 MandyManners

YES! YES YES!

Yay!

375 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:25:01pm

re: #336 redstateredneck

I have always loved being outside right before a thunderstorm when the air is charged and you can just feel the energy building.

The thing is, lightning can strike well in advance of the clouds.

But, yeah. I love how heavy the air gets, how the birds STFU. How the freaking siren chirps. How I bend over and kiss my ass good-bye.

376 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:25:22pm

Driving through Northwest NM. The 360 degree sweep of the horizon seemingling endless. then a sudden darkness on the far edges of vision and flashes of light moving fast in my direction. Arroyos in an instant flush with a flood of rushing water. Fear of being swept away. Closer and closer until the broad dark curtain of the storm, hanging low in the heavens, revealed its sheets of rain. And just a quickly it was gone.

377 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:25:41pm

re: #359 pink freud
Hi pink freud - I'm doing ok, thanks! How are you doing this evening?
And what's this about Memory Pills! Whoo boy, manufactured teeth and Memory pills - two out of my top four things I need!

378 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:25:42pm

re: #337 pink freud

Radar?

No. 335.

379 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:25:48pm

re: #371 redstateredneck

That used to be a taboo subject on LGF.

If you think ID was heated.......

380 livefreeor die  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:26:04pm

I better call it a night-my two older boys have a swim meet tomorrow morning.

381 J.D.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:26:26pm

re: #368 realwest

If you're not particular about where you have teeth, you're in luck!

382 Scion9  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:26:27pm

re: #283 Conservative Moonbat

Your Marx-Fu is weak. Critical Race Theory and a whole slew of racialist rehashing of 'Class Struggle' is old hat for Neo-Marxists.

Regardless, being that BLT is mostly motivated by racism and forwarded by avowed and open racists I think despite the Marxist stench wafting off of it it has more in common with Christian IdentityYour text to link... right down to the idea of inherent wickedness and grace being facets of ones lineage (although, not to the level of 'soullessness' as exists in CI).

The social deconstructionism of Neo-Marxist thought is far too complex to be reduced to bombastic sermons for the masses, while playing to the bigotry of the crowd is easy.

383 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:26:35pm

re: #377 realwest

Hi pink freud - I'm doing ok, thanks! How are you doing this evening?
And what's this about Memory Pills! Whoo boy, manufactured teeth and Memory pills - two out of my top four things I need!

And the other two are?
Evening rw :)

384 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:26:36pm

re: #373 albusteve

has the taboo been lifted?...I don't recall

Don't ask me...it was too controversial, but now there are more controversial subjects that are regularly raised and that's all I'm gonna say.
:-X

385 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:27:03pm

re: #364 J.D.
Oh yeah, I get your drift ok, but c'mon now, what's this about teeth!

386 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:27:06pm

re: #340 ShanghaiEd

I probably should know the answer to this, but do people have a reason for objecting to the morning-after pill other than the fact that the zygote is 24 hours more developed? Thanks for any enlightenment.

I don't have the time to read the link but, will the ruling mandate that it be available at pharmacies not attached to medical practices? Will Wal-Greens carry it?

387 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:27:27pm

UNCLE.

AUNT, too.

388 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:27:42pm

re: #376 The Shadow Do

Driving through Northwest NM. The 360 degree sweep of the horizon seemingling endless. then a sudden darkness on the far edges of vision and flashes of light moving fast in my direction. Arroyos in an instant flush with a flood of rushing water. Fear of being swept away. Closer and closer until the broad dark curtain of the storm, hanging low in the heavens, revealed its sheets of rain. And just a quickly it was gone.

Very descriptive post.

389 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:27:44pm

re: #375 MandyManners

The thing is, lightning can strike well in advance of the clouds.

But, yeah. I love how heavy the air gets, how the birds STFU. How the freaking siren chirps. How I bend over and kiss my ass good-bye.

I used to love sitting on covered porch at our house in Iowa...middle of the night, nothing but cornfields in front of you, storm coming in...watching the lightning hit the field...love the way the air smells = )

390 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:27:55pm

re: #367 redstateredneck
Hey, thank you { { red } } good evening to you too!

391 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:28:37pm
392 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:28:40pm

re: #379 jcm

If you think ID was heated.......

And let's not forget Terry Schiavo. Lord, have mercy.

393 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:28:56pm

Let the Dems abort all their babies. In a generation there will be no one left to vote for them.

394 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:28:57pm

re: #340 ShanghaiEd

I probably should know the answer to this, but do people have a reason for objecting to the morning-after pill other than the fact that the zygote is 24 hours more developed? Thanks for any enlightenment.

People who believe that it is a human being from conception would say "human being" is 24 hours more developed. To people who believe this, zygote, embryro, or fetus = human being. Therefore MAP kills human being. This is why some people object.

395 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:29:02pm

re: #377 realwest

Doing good, RW!

/I still have a bag of pecan sandies :D

396 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:29:05pm

re: #380 livefreeor die

I better call it a night-my two older boys have a swim meet tomorrow morning.

Luck!

397 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:29:22pm

re: #379 jcm

If you think ID was heated.......

And what's worse is that we're less united on abortion. We have both strongly pro-life and pro-choice people here. Abortion debates can get lively, shall we say.

398 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:29:29pm

re: #388 redstateredneck

Very descriptive post.

One of the most amazing things I have ever seen. And no camera.

399 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:29:49pm

So he is trying to sell His Holiness a load of BS, just like the American public. Nothing new there. No doubt Obama will regale us with stories of how the Pope was completely enthralled with him, completely missing the important new encyclical outlining the importance of charity.

400 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:30:00pm

re: #373 albusteve

has the taboo been lifted?...I don't recall

It's just a phaser something LGF is going through.

/trying to keep the Star Trek puns going

401 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:30:03pm

re: #381 J.D. Ah. Well being as how I am particular about where I have teeth, perhaps we ought to drop the subject! LOL!

402 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:30:06pm

re: #344 Mithrax

Good lord.

I was screeched in years ago, and then when I was living in Labrador it was like old times.

As any canadian can tell you, you've never partied until you've partied with a newfie.

My chief memory of living there was riding my trike in the house and ONE MORE TIME, thwacking the hangie-downie thingies on the cuckoo clock. The whole damn thing came down on me.

Also, the colors grey and green are favorites, furthered by my time in Seattle.

403 sagehen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:30:10pm

re: #174 Conservative Moonbat


I'm still not sure there's such a thing as "black liberation theology." I think it's all just "liberation theology." The race of who is practicing it doesn't substantially change it's character nearly as much as the denomination practicing it.

It's adapted specifically for African-Americans, different enough to be its own denomination. Just like Black Muslims are a distinct sub-category of Muslims.

404 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:30:18pm

re: #393 Erik The Red

Let the Dems abort all their babies. In a generation there will be no one left to vote for them.

Um - no. No no no.

405 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:30:28pm

re: #369 pink freud

I thought he was looking for the entire kingdom.

Good evening CP!

Right back atcha, Ms. Cutie Pie. : )

I wish I could show you the Vera Wang motorcycle boots I have my eye on tonight...oh wait, maybe I can. I'll see what I can do.

406 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:30:31pm

re: #376 The Shadow Do

Driving through Northwest NM. The 360 degree sweep of the horizon seemingling endless. then a sudden darkness on the far edges of vision and flashes of light moving fast in my direction. Arroyos in an instant flush with a flood of rushing water. Fear of being swept away. Closer and closer until the broad dark curtain of the storm, hanging low in the heavens, revealed its sheets of rain. And just a quickly it was gone.

a couple of years ago it rained an inch and a half in twelve minutes up in the NE Heights here in ABQ....water bulldozed cars right off the steets

407 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:30:32pm

re: #389 srb1976

I used to love sitting on covered porch at our house in Iowa...middle of the night, nothing but cornfields in front of you, storm coming in...watching the lightning hit the field...love the way the air smells = )

So you're an Iowegian?

408 itellu3times  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:31:08pm

re: #283 Conservative Moonbat

A typical radical black church?

As I understand it, LT is basicly catholic theology viewed through the lens of the marxist dialectic. Poverity is equated to evil so by eliminating poverty from the world one is eliminating evil. If you remove the whole class struggle element from the equation you've got nothing.

(I took a philosophy class on marx and marxism ten years ago that brushed on this shit. My memory is poor and LT wasn't the focus of the class)

More like, poverty is the mark of virtue, and it is the destruction of the rich by making them share (!) that increases peace.

Then follows a bunch of stuff, the math of which never works out, about how the last shall drive Escalades, yada yada.

409 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:31:22pm

re: #383 Erik The Red
Hey good evening Erik! The other two are a cure for cancer and money - lots and lots of m-o-n-e-y!
But first the cancer cure!

410 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:31:26pm

re: #356 Gus 802

Sensors detect some Star Trek puns?

/

You must be an empath.

411 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:31:27pm

re: #400 Dar ul Harb

It's just a phaser something LGF is going through.

/trying to keep the Star Trek puns going

I'll see what I Khan do.

412 J.D.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:31:39pm

re: #385 realwest

Oh yeah, I get your drift ok, but c'mon now, what's this about teeth!

It's going to be part of Obamacare.
Teeth for everyone!

May not be where you wanted them...

413 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:31:42pm

re: #390 realwest

Hey, thank you { { red } } good evening to you too!

Finally, he notices me.
;-)
I'm making an unusual evening appearance on LGF. mrhightechredneck went to the lake house and left me home alone.

414 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:32:34pm

re: #352 Erik The Red

I know how we started going down this road. Do we really want to continue talking about abortion?

Considering it's the thread topic...

415 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:32:36pm

re: #406 albusteve

a couple of years ago it rained an inch and a half in twelve minutes up in the NE Heights here in ABQ....water bulldozed cars right off the steets

I have seen that! Your streets become raging rivers in an instant. I have heard that people die.

416 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:32:53pm

re: #407 redstateredneck

So you're an Iowegian?

Lived there for awhile....between Nebraska and Iowa, I lived in the midwest longer than anywhere else....Alabama these days....

417 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:33:22pm

re: #411 Gus 802

I'll see what I Khaaaaaaaan! do.

FTFY

418 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:33:27pm

re: #398 The Shadow Do

One of the most amazing things I have ever seen. And no camera.

Camera probably wouldn't have done it justice. Although, I have seen some amazing long exposure pics of lightening that were amazing.

419 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:33:32pm

Gotta go vote for Mr. Twitter Americas. Adam Lambert in first, some cheating (but funny) guy from Chile in second, and Cheeks (Adam's ex) in third. :D

Plus Paula Abdul is in second for female solo artist.

I've gone all Twitter. It's Charles' fault.

420 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:33:52pm

re: #353 capitalist piglet

Yeah. Obama can just take his place. I hear he's still looking for a church.

I read he was upset with the way his visit to a local DC church turned into a circus for the church and it's members. Fans starting lining up two hours before services, took flash pictures in the church and the rest.
He's following the Bush example again.

church.

421 Conservative Moonbat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:34:09pm

re: #382 Scion9

Your Marx-Fu is weak. Critical Race Theory and a whole slew of racialist rehashing of 'Class Struggle' is old hat for Neo-Marxists.

You're conflating postmodernism and marxism by the sound of things.

I agree with most of the rest of what you said.

422 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:34:12pm

re: #391 Gus 802
Hey Gus - wow that rain sounds real over these speakers! Wow. First the dribble kinda sound and the the Thunder and more water falling.......
Uh, BBIAM y'all!

423 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:34:24pm

re: #419 Catttt

Gotta go vote for Mr. Twitter Americas. Adam Lambert in first, some cheating (but funny) guy from Chile in second, and Cheeks (Adam's ex) in third. :D

Plus Paula Abdul is in second for female solo artist.

I've gone all Twitter. It's Charles' fault.

Tweet.

424 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:34:27pm

re: #411 Gus 802

I'll see what I Khan do.

Maybe if we try corder we'll come up with more.

425 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:34:47pm

re: #386 MandyManners

I don't have the time to read the link but, will the ruling mandate that it be available at pharmacies not attached to medical practices? Will Wal-Greens carry it?

Yes, it'll be over the counter.

426 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:34:54pm

re: #416 srb1976

Lived there for awhile....between Nebraska and Iowa, I lived in the midwest longer than anywhere else....Alabama these days....

I'm a displaced midwesterner living in the south, too. Originally from NE Missouri, but I've been in Mississippi all my married life (32 years). I consider myself a Southerner now.

427 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:35:12pm

re: #425 avanti

Yes, it'll be over the counter.

Over the counter? now that is new....

428 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:35:22pm

re: #422 realwest

Hey Gus - wow that rain sounds real over these speakers! Wow. First the dribble kinda sound and the the Thunder and more water falling.......
Uh, BBIAM y'all!

Pretty cool isn't it? There's other sounds from the same Youtuber. That one reminds me of the eastern mountain storms rumbling through.

429 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:35:35pm

Going to crash Lizards. I hope I can do better than four hours tonight. If not see you in time for fruitcup.

430 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:35:51pm

Brb. gonna see about uploading an avatar.

431 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:36:25pm

re: #423 Gus 802

Tweet.

Adam says bad Tweets are twats. :D

432 J.D.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:36:34pm
433 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:36:34pm

re: #426 redstateredneck

I'm a displaced midwesterner living in the south, too. Originally from NE Missouri, but I've been in Mississippi all my married life (32 years). I consider myself a Southerner now.

We've been here about 10 years or so....lets just say that the Little Man would rather have sweet tea than soda....most of my family is from here...we really are southerners these days = _

434 J.D.  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:36:46pm

Nite

435 Bobblehead  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:37:13pm

re: #411 Gus 802

I'll see what I Khan do.

Just don't get hoist with your own picard

436 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:37:27pm

re: #415 The Shadow Do

I have seen that! Your streets become raging rivers in an instant. I have heard that people die.

it happened all in maybe 12sq block area...not even a half mile away the sun was shining

437 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:37:28pm

Thanks for all the up-dings to my comment today in the thread about Krauthammer taking on FCBBHO!

But, I know we'll me again some sunny day!

438 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:37:32pm

re: #430 Mithrax

Brb. gonna see about uploading an avatar.

Mithrax ... don't pick Groucho ...

439 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:37:33pm

re: #424 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe if we try corder we'll come up with more.

Let me warp my mind around this.

440 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:37:36pm

re: #395 pink freud

Doing good, RW!

/I still have a bag of pecan sandies :D


Pecan sandies? Oh well, gee, uh, are y'all gonna eat that WHOLE BAG by yourself!

441 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:37:43pm

re: #420 avanti

I read he was upset with the way his visit to a local DC church turned into a circus for the church and it's members. Fans starting lining up two hours before services, took flash pictures in the church and the rest.
He's following the Bush example again.

church.

I figured he hadn't joined a church because if he didn't join the black church he visited, he'd get flack and if he did, he'd get flack.

442 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:38:20pm

re: #394 Catttt

People who believe that it is a human being from conception would say "human being" is 24 hours more developed. To people who believe this, zygote, embryro, or fetus = human being. Therefore MAP kills human being. This is why some people object.

Catttt: I understand the difference in terminology. I was just using the scientific one out of habit. So I'm correct that there's nothing categorically different between the morning-after pill and "regular" pills, other than 24 more hours of growth?

443 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:38:25pm

re: #332 Erik The Red

Lucky dog. :)

yep, the dog ate it.

444 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:38:36pm

re: #427 srb1976

Over the counter? now that is new....

Just for 17 year old's and up.

link.

445 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:39:14pm

re: #425 avanti

Yes, it'll be over the counter.

Oh, no. NO.

Benadryl is an OTC medicine.

So is Tylenol.

446 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:39:39pm

re: #442 ShanghaiEd

Catttt: I understand the difference in terminology. I was just using the scientific one out of habit. So I'm correct that there's nothing categorically different between the morning-after pill and "regular" pills, other than 24 more hours of growth?

Not exactly...the regular pill is supposed to supress ovulations, so no egg gets fertilized....the Morning after pill supresses implantation, so the fertilized egg can't dig in and get comfy

447 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:40:30pm

re: #418 redstateredneck

Camera probably wouldn't have done it justice. Although, I have seen some amazing long exposure pics of lightening that were amazing.

I agree that it would have been impossible to completely capture, but boy did I want to have a go at it with a wide angle. the shiprock formations, the wide, wide, sky, the dark rushing clouds...

448 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:40:36pm

Gotta go cook something for tomorrow ... blueberry muffins with fresh blueberries from the farm ... yum ...

See ya'll later ... Good Night! ...

Patsy ...

449 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:40:52pm

re: #444 avanti

Just for 17 year old's and up.

link.

What?

450 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:41:02pm

re: #441 redstateredneck

I figured he hadn't joined a church because if he didn't join the black church he visited, he'd get flack and if he did, he'd get flack.

BO is all fucked up with his so called faith...it's a tasteless joke...on him

451 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:41:03pm

re: #427 srb1976

Over the counter? now that is new....

What? Morning after pill OTC? I've read descriptions of the cramping, bleeding, etc. and it's not pretty. Girls take it thinking it's some magic *poof, I'm not pregnant* pill, but in reality, it's pretty scary.

452 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:42:08pm

re: #445 MandyManners

Oh, no. NO.

Benadryl is an OTC medicine.

So is Tylenol.

I have not seen it out on the shelves, you probably have to ask for it, but no prescription is needed.

453 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:42:19pm

re: #413 redstateredneck

Finally, he notices me.
;-)
I'm making an unusual evening appearance on LGF. mrhightechredneck went to the lake house and left me home alone.


Whaddya mean he went to the lake house and left you home alone! As in all by yourself? No company at all. When's he coming back and where'd you say you live again?
;')

454 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:42:27pm

The MAPill will NOT BE AN OTC drug any more than an Rx for The Pill will be an OTC.

GET YOUR FUCKING LINGO CORRECT, AVANTI.

455 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:42:56pm

re: #443 reine.de.tout

yep, the dog ate it.

My dog drank an entire cup of coffee once. RunningBare and I were sitting in some gamer chairs in my garage, and he had a cup on the floor with something sweet in it. We heard this lap, lap, lap sound, and by the time we realized where it was coming from, the cup was empty.

He was fine (the emergency room vet gave him charcoal), but he has a serious jones for coffee now...I actually have to keep it up out of his reach. (Which isn't hard, since he's a Corgi.)

Starbucks House Blend, btw.

456 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:43:09pm

re: #432 J.D.

My Obama Shop at Union Station in DC
I am underwhelmed.

I was amazed last summer when I was in the French Quarter in N'awlins at all the Obama gear in the T-shirt shops. Tons of stuff.

457 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:43:25pm

re: #432 J.D.

My Obama Shop at Union Station in DC
I am underwhelmed.

Didn't that shop used to be called "Political Americana"? Or is this Obama shop in a different place?

(Oh, I see, it might just be the same guy.)

458 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:43:27pm

re: #451 redstateredneck

What? Morning after pill OTC? I've read descriptions of the cramping, bleeding, etc. and it's not pretty. Girls take it thinking it's some magic *poof, I'm not pregnant* pill, but in reality, it's pretty scary.

Having had a miscarriage...I imagine it's pretty similar....and yeah, not pretty, it is basically inducing an early miscarriage....I dont' know about side effect specific to the pill, but just the effects would be pretty rough

459 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:43:49pm

re: #433 srb1976

We've been here about 10 years or so....lets just say that the Little Man would rather have sweet tea than soda....most of my family is from here...we really are southerners these days = _

Gotta have the sweet tea!

460 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:44:03pm

re: #452 avanti

I have not seen it out on the shelves, you probably have to ask for it, but no prescription is needed.

What the fuck are you talking about?

461 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:44:04pm

re: #442 ShanghaiEd

Catttt: I understand the difference in terminology. I was just using the scientific one out of habit. So I'm correct that there's nothing categorically different between the morning-after pill and "regular" pills, other than 24 more hours of growth?

Well, no. Birth control pills prevent ovulation, so conception is not possible. That's a whole different thing. My understanding is that in rare cases, the pill does cause abortion, so it's kind of a grey area, I'd guess.

I'd guess - and I am only guessing - that a lot of people who are against the MAP are not not as strident against The Pill.

462 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:44:11pm

re: #456 redstateredneck

I was amazed last summer when I was in the French Quarter in N'awlins at all the Obama gear in the T-shirt shops. Tons of stuff.

he's the new Che!

463 revobob  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:44:18pm

re: #331 MandyManners

"Jocularity! Jocularity!"

Name that character.

Father Mulcahy, M*A*S*H

464 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:44:54pm

re: #442 ShanghaiEd

Catttt: I understand the difference in terminology. I was just using the scientific one out of habit. So I'm correct that there's nothing categorically different between the morning-after pill and "regular" pills, other than 24 more hours of growth?

Do you mean regular birth control pills? They prevent ovulation so the would be no conception.

465 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:45:00pm

re: #454 MandyManners

The MAPill will NOT BE AN OTC drug any more than an Rx for The Pill will be an OTC.

GET YOUR FUCKING LINGO CORRECT, AVANTI.

Mandy, that's just what it'll called at the link, you may have another name:

"On March 23, a federal court ordered that Plan B, an emergency contraception pill, be made available over the counter to those 17 and older, the agency said in a statement on its Web site. The agency will not appeal that order, the statement said.

In the order, U.S. District Judge Edward Korman also asked the agency to consider whether the pill should be available to women of all ages without a prescription, saying that such a determination is best left to the expertise of the FDA rather than a federal district judge. "

466 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:45:13pm

re: #451 redstateredneck

What? Morning after pill OTC? I've read descriptions of the cramping, bleeding, etc. and it's not pretty. Girls take it thinking it's some magic *poof, I'm not pregnant* pill, but in reality, it's pretty scary.

Knew a girl in college. Friend of her Dad's was a vet. Took her a couple of times to visit him for the morning after treatment (not my doing!). She would be very sick for a few days.

I'm sure it is the same thing that is being legalized now.

467 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:45:43pm

re: #460 MandyManners

What the fuck are you talking about?

I thought we were talking about the morning after pill ?

468 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:46:00pm

re: #459 redstateredneck

Gotta have the sweet tea!

Funny, better half had never had sweet tea until he came with me to visit my grandparents....got back home to vegas and went nuts trying to find it....I finally quit laughing at him and showed him how to make it...

469 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:46:05pm

re: #440 realwest

Pecan sandies? Oh well, gee, uh, are y'all gonna eat that WHOLE BAG by yourself!


It may take a while ...but YES.

470 Scion9  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:46:48pm

re: #421 Conservative Moonbat

You're conflating postmodernism and marxism by the sound of things.

No, really I'm not. The origins of critical theory and its racist spawn linked above were originated by Marxists for the purposes of advancing Marxist thought.

Also just noticed that the first Critical Race Theorist, Derrick Bell was a professor of Obama's at Harvard Law according to wikipedia.

471 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:47:06pm

re: #453 realwest

Whaddya mean he went to the lake house and left you home alone! As in all by yourself? No company at all. When's he coming back and where'd you say you live again?
;')

Actually, I'm home with the dachshund pack, my 19 year old daughter, and a friend of hers who's come down from Jackson for the weekend. But no man! I wouldn't mind a weekend really alone. I'm pretty good company.

472 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:47:14pm

re: #464 VioletTiger

Do you mean regular birth control pills? They prevent ovulation so the would be no conception.

T think that's really all the morning after pill is, a bigger does of the birth control pill.

473 sagehen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:47:57pm

re: #340 ShanghaiEd

I probably should know the answer to this, but do people have a reason for objecting to the morning-after pill other than the fact that the zygote is 24 hours more developed? Thanks for any enlightenment.

I don't know if this is representative of pro-lifers generally, but I heard one of those Concerned Women of America spokesies on some cable news panel going on about how knowing the morning-after-pill exists and is available would make girls more promiscuous, and that it would give boys another line to use when pressuring the girls.

474 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:48:01pm

re: #472 avanti

T think that's really all the morning after pill is, a bigger does of the birth control pill.

Maybe you ought to slow down on that Sam Adams, avanti. LOL

475 EmmmieG  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:48:30pm

re: #465 avanti

If the MAPill can be OTC, why not the regular pill? I would think the same need for blood pressure check, basic health, etc. would be necessary.

476 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:48:34pm

Dylan was married to a liberal once....

477 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:48:41pm

re: #458 srb1976

Having had a miscarriage...I imagine it's pretty similar....and yeah, not pretty, it is basically inducing an early miscarriage....I dont' know about side effect specific to the pill, but just the effects would be pretty rough

Right. I didn't want to go into a lot of detail, but that's exactly what it is.

478 pat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:48:48pm

Sally Quinn the "religious " writer for the Washington Post is positively evil. Watching her unctuous criticism of Palin demonstrates a depth of hatred reserved only for fanatics. I think she is an atheistic, secular , socialist writer who observes Christians much like a Muslim or Scientology "Psychiatrist". Creepy hardly describes this woman.

479 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:48:51pm

re: #465 avanti

Women of all ages? Let's see, a 13 year old girl is a woman? Legally that is. I see they set the limit at 17 for the Plan B.

Imagine if you will talking about drugs and saying "men of all ages" and including just that -- young boys and teens being seen as adult men. Would they consider a 17 year old boy a man?

Something's not right here.

480 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:49:08pm

re: #474 capitalist piglet

Maybe you ought to slow down on that Sam Adams, avanti. LOL

yuo thmk ? :)

481 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:49:11pm

re: #432 J.D. Underwhelmed? Don't you want to own an ACORN carved to resemble our fearless leader?
Somebody in that shop is either totally clueless or really politically hip - can't tell which yet!

482 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:49:14pm

re: #465 avanti

Mandy, that's just what it'll called at the link, you may have another name:

"On March 23, a federal court ordered that Plan B, an emergency contraception pill, be made available over the counter to those 17 and older, the agency said in a statement on its Web site. The agency will not appeal that order, the statement said.

In the order, U.S. District Judge Edward Korman also asked the agency to consider whether the pill should be available to women of all ages without a prescription, saying that such a determination is best left to the expertise of the FDA rather than a federal district judge. "

Link for a date.

483 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:49:20pm

re: #462 albusteve

he's the new Che!

For real.

484 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:49:26pm

re: #472 avanti

T think that's really all the morning after pill is, a bigger does of the birth control pill.

No, not really...the morning after pill prevents an already fertilized egg from implanting....birth control prevents ovulation so no egg is produced to get fertilized...very different process

485 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:49:47pm

re: #454 MandyManners

The MAPill will NOT BE AN OTC drug any more than an Rx for The Pill will be an OTC.

GET YOUR FUCKING LINGO CORRECT, AVANTI.

When I was in college, the med center handed them out to any female student who asked for them, which was a lot of girls who got carried away by lust and hormones the night before. Of course, that was at the University of Colorado, which was and is uber liberal.

486 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:50:11pm

re: #478 pat

Pretty much all the religion writers in the MSM stink. Look at the way they treat the RoP.

487 pat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:50:30pm

re: #485 Catttt

When I was in college, the med center handed them out to any female student who asked for them, which was a lot of girls who got carried away by lust and hormones the night before. Of course, that was at the University of Colorado, which was and is uber liberal.

Same here.

488 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:50:32pm

re: #472 avanti

T think that's really all the morning after pill is, a bigger does of the birth control pill.

Yes, I think they are all hormone based.

489 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:50:58pm

Making a powerful hormomal drug available in the same way as a tube of Carmex?

490 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:51:02pm

re: #472 avanti

T think that's really all the morning after pill is, a bigger does of the birth control pill.

Say, what?

491 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:51:45pm

re: #472 avanti

T think that's really all the morning after pill is, a bigger does of the birth control pill.

It's more than that.

492 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:51:47pm

There. I do believe I can haz avatar now.

493 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:51:57pm

re: #371 redstateredneck

That used to be a taboo subject on LGF.

And then Charles removed the taboo, remarking that sometimes the only way around something is through it.

494 pat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:52:10pm

Frankly I believe if the egg is not implanted, that is not abortion.

495 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:52:12pm

re: #479 Gus 802

Women of all ages? Let's see, a 13 year old girl is a woman? Legally that is. I see they set the limit at 17 for the Plan B.

Imagine if you will talking about drugs and saying "men of all ages" and including just that -- young boys and teens being seen as adult men. Would they consider a 17 year old boy a man?

Something's not right here.


It's just not available without a prescription to younger girls, but a friend or parent could get it.

496 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:52:43pm

re: #478 pat

I started to listen to this, but then tuned it out. The woman is ridiculous, and yes, creepy.

497 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:52:54pm

re: #488 VioletTiger

Yes, I think they are all hormone based.

According to wikipedia, it is steroid based, not hormonal

498 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:53:07pm

re: #461 Catttt

re: #446 srb1976

Thanks, Catttt and srb...that clears it up for me.

499 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:53:28pm

re: #480 avanti

yuo thmk ? :)

Oh NOHS! Teh hangover!

500 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:53:49pm

re: #478 pat

Sally Quinn the "religious " writer for the Washington Post is positively evil. Watching her unctuous criticism of Palin demonstrates a depth of hatred reserved only for fanatics. I think she is an atheistic, secular , socialist writer who observes Christians much like a Muslim or Scientology "Psychiatrist". Creepy hardly describes this woman.

Sally Quinn is not "just a writer" for the Washington Post. Her husband, Ben Bradlee was editor and she considers herself the Grand Dame of Washington society.

501 pat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:53:52pm

re: #496 VioletTiger

I started to listen to this, but then tuned it out. The woman is ridiculous, and yes, creepy.

Thank you. I almost did the same. I feel vindicated.

502 pat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:54:14pm

re: #500 redstateredneck

This i know.

503 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:54:45pm

re: #382 Scion9

Your Marx-Fu is weak. Critical Race Theory and a whole slew of racialist rehashing of 'Class Struggle' is old hat for Neo-Marxists.

Regardless, being that BLT is mostly motivated by racism and forwarded by avowed and open racists I think despite the Marxist stench wafting off of it it has more in common with Christian IdentityYour text to link... right down to the idea of inherent wickedness and grace being facets of ones lineage (although, not to the level of 'soullessness' as exists in CI).

The social deconstructionism of Neo-Marxist thought is far too complex to be reduced to bombastic sermons for the masses, while playing to the bigotry of the crowd is easy.

There was a cross-pollination with the black supremacist Nation of Islam, complete with their white-skinned, blue-eyed devil rhetoric.

504 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:55:11pm

re: #495 avanti

It's just not available without a prescription to younger girls, but a friend or parent could get it.

Yeah. I know anyone can essentially get whatever they want in this world. I think it's the wrong message though. They should have made the limit 18. If the kid is under 18 then he has to go through her parents or guardians. It's only one year.

Now, I might be suspect about this since in a way it may result in greater unprotected sex with all users. This may lead to higher STD rates.

505 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:55:14pm

What's up?

/discussing Catholic birth control doctrine I see, by all means, don't control your behavior, you can now buy a spontaneous abortion pill, only it's not so spontaneous

506 swamprat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:56:33pm

On the fifteenth of May, in the jungle of Nool,


In the heat of the day, in the cool of the pool,


He was splashing..enjoying the jungles great joys..

When Horton the elephant heard a small noise.

So Horton stopped splashing. He looked towards the sound.

"That's funny", thought Horton. "There's no one around."

Then he heard it again! Just a very faint yelp

As if some tiny person were calling for help.

"I'll help you," said Horton. "But who are you? Where?"

He looked and he looked. He could see nothing there

But a small speck of dust blowing past through the air.

"I say!" murmured Horton. "I've never heard tell

Of a small speck of dust that is able to yell."

So you know what I think?...Why, I think that there must

Be someone on top of that small speck of dust!

Some sort of creature of very small size,

to small to be seen by an elephant's eyes...

"...some poor little person who's shaking with fear

That he'll blow in the pool! He has no way to steer!

I'll just have to save him. Because, after all,

A person's a person, no matter how small."

So, gently and using the greatest of care,

The elephant stretched his great trunk through the air,

And he lifted the dust speck and carried it over

And placed it down, safe, on a very soft clover.

"Humpf!" humped a voice. Twas a sour Kangaroo.

And the young kangaroo in his pouch said "Humpf!" too.

"Why, that speck is as small as the head of a pin.

A person on that?..why, there never has been!"

"Believe me," said Horton. "I tell you sincerely,

My ears are quite keen and I heard him quite clearly.

I know there's a person down there. And, what's more,

Quite likely there's two. Even three. Even four.

Quite likely..

"... a family, for all that we know!

A family with children just starting to grow.

So, please, "Horton said, "as a favor to me,

Try not to disturb them. Just let them be."

"I think you're a fool!" laughed the sour kangaroo

And the young kangaroo in her pouch said, Me, too!"

You're the biggest blame fool in the jungle of Nool!"

And the kangaroos plunged in the cool of the pool.

"What terrible splashing!" the elephant frowned.

"I can't let my very small persons get drowned!

I've got to protect them. I'm bigger than they."

So he plucked up the clover and hustled away.

Through the high jungle tree tops, the new quickly spread:

"He talks to a dust speck! He's out of his head!

Just look as him walk with that speck on the flower!"

And Horton walked, worrying, almost an hour.

"Should I put this speck down?..." Horton thought with alarm.

"If I do, these small persons may come to great harm.

I can't put it down. And I won't!. After all

A person's a person. No matter how small."

507 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:56:35pm

re: #494 pat

Frankly I believe if the egg is not implanted, that is not abortion.

I don't know if that is exactly right. The girl I know (non-biblical) who used the family vet, would go see him when her period was late. Whatever he gave her induced an abortion apparently. I don't know if this is the same stuff touted as the morning after solution. I do know she was a hurting puppy for days after.

508 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:57:23pm

re: #505 Killian Bundy

What's up?

/discussing Catholic birth control doctrine I see, by all means, don't control your behavior, you can now buy a spontaneous abortion pill, only it's not so spontaneous

And, it can be prescribed in a "regular" doctor's offie.

509 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:57:29pm

Anyone recall this picture? The One with his favorite book "The Post-American World".

We're almost there.

510 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:57:30pm

re: #497 srb1976

According to wikipedia, it is steroid based, not hormonal

I'm seeing progestin.

511 mattm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:58:00pm

re: #432 J.D.

My Obama Shop at Union Station in DC
I am underwhelmed.

That's just creepy with the cardboard cutouts.

512 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:58:18pm

re: #478 pat

Sally Quinn the "religious " writer for the Washington Post is positively evil. Watching her unctuous criticism of Palin demonstrates a depth of hatred reserved only for fanatics. I think she is an atheistic, secular , socialist writer who observes Christians much like a Muslim or Scientology "Psychiatrist". Creepy hardly describes this woman.

I don't think it's religious or anything or even fanatical. Ms. Quinn is a stuck-up bitch.

513 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:58:22pm

re: #469 pink freud
I don't know what's worse - your selfishness or that fact that EmmieG and srb1976 supported it! I mean, really, would a couple of cookies make THAT much difference? Really!

514 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:59:11pm

my child bearing years are long over....but the Cowboys will be a favorite to win the Super Bowl this year

515 EmmmieG  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:59:16pm

re: #513 realwest

I don't know what's worse - your selfishness or that fact that EmmieG and srb1976 supported it! I mean, really, would a couple of cookies make THAT much difference? Really!

There are days, RW, when you have to have the whole bag, because nothing else will make you feel better.

516 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 8:59:18pm

re: #478 pat

Sally Quinn the "religious " writer for the Washington Post is positively evil. Watching her unctuous criticism of Palin demonstrates a depth of hatred reserved only for fanatics. I think she is an atheistic, secular , socialist writer who observes Christians much like a Muslim or Scientology "Psychiatrist". Creepy hardly describes this woman.

I agree Quinn is creepy, but I can't see that she has any clear agenda other than self-absorption and obliviousness...most clearly revealed in her writing about taking Communion at Tim Russert's funeral, despite the fact that she isn't Catholic. I've not felt the same way about her writing since.

517 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:00:09pm

What can you tell me about the morning-after pill? How does it work?

Here's how the morning-after pill works. Human conception rarely occurs immediately after intercourse. Instead, it occurs as long as several days later, after ovulation. During the time between intercourse and conception, sperm continue to travel through the fallopian tube until the egg appears. So taking emergency birth control the "morning after" isn't too late to prevent pregnancy.

The active ingredients in morning-after pills are similar to those in birth control pills, except in higher doses. Some morning-after pills contain only one hormone, levonorgestrel (Plan B), and others contain two, progestin and estrogen. Progestin prevents the sperm from reaching the egg and keeps a fertilized egg from attaching to the wall of the uterus (implantation). Estrogen stops the ovaries from releasing eggs (ovulation) that can be fertilized by sperm.

The morning-after pill is designed to be taken within 72 hours of intercourse with a second dose taken 12 hours later. Side effects may include nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, fatigue, dizziness, menstrual changes and headache. According to the manufacturer, the morning-after pill is more than 80 percent effective in preventing pregnancy after a single act of unprotected sex.

/have fun Catholics

518 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:00:24pm

re: #506 swamprat

Some Guiness was spilt on the barroom floor
When the pub was shut for the night
Out of his hole crept a wee brown mouse
And stood in the pale moonlight
He lapped up the frothy brew from the floor
Then back on his haunches he sat
And all the night you could hear him roar
"Bring on the fuckiing cat!"

519 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:00:30pm

re: #514 albusteve

my child bearing years are long over....but the Cowboys will be a favorite to win the Super Bowl this year

How did we get from abortion to Cowboys....
/never mind

520 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:00:41pm

re: #510 Gus 802

I'm seeing progestin.

My bad....looking at the wrong drug...sorry.....
So it is.

521 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:00:43pm

re: #514 albusteve

my child bearing years are long over....but the Cowboys will be a favorite to win the Super Bowl this year

Based on what grand analysis? They lost T.O. and Roy Williams hasn't proven he can compete at the top level for a full season.

522 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:00:47pm

re: #492 Mithrax

There. I do believe I can haz avatar now.

Nice!

523 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:01:00pm

re: #471 redstateredneck
"I'm pretty good company." I'll bet you are -Good looking, smart, well versed in politics, great sense of humor and all that.
Course, if y'all want an independent third party opinion on that statement, I'd be happy to provide one!

524 sagehen  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:01:10pm

re: #442 ShanghaiEd

Catttt: I understand the difference in terminology. I was just using the scientific one out of habit. So I'm correct that there's nothing categorically different between the morning-after pill and "regular" pills, other than 24 more hours of growth?


Regular daily conceptive pills prevent ovulation; the MAP prevents implantation.

525 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:01:17pm

re: #446 srb1976

Not exactly...the regular pill is supposed to supress ovulations, so no egg gets fertilized....the Morning after pill supresses implantation, so the fertilized egg can't dig in and get comfy

And RU-486 causes the uterus tissue buildup in which the implanted egg is embedded to slough off and be expelled.

526 jeremy0114  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:01:23pm

re: #14 reine.de.tout

Whew.
Well, didn't somebody here one evening say that Black Liberation Theology had roots in Roman Catholicism?

I haven't read all the comments, but got to comment on this... I think it is safe to say any religion that believes that Jesus Christ is the Savior is based on Roman Catholicism. The reformation happened around 1500 years after Jesus died on the cross... Except for Greek Orthodoxy Catholicism was largely the only game in town.

527 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:01:44pm

re: #503 Salamantis

There was a cross-pollination with the black supremacist Nation of Islam, complete with their white-skinned, blue-eyed devil rhetoric.

Quite Concur.

528 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:01:45pm

re: #513 realwest

Ok, RW, here's six, but make 'em last! That's all I can spare. :-)

529 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:01:58pm

re: #523 realwest

"I'm pretty good company." I'll bet you are -Good looking, smart, well versed in politics, great sense of humor and all that.
Course, if y'all want an independent third party opinion on that statement, I'd be happy to provide one!



Honey, if I were single I'd take you up on your offer!

530 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:02:08pm

re: #508 MandyManners

And, it can be prescribed in a "regular" doctor's offie.

/Plan B is OTC for those over 17, so no worries, sleep around without fear

531 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:02:10pm

re: #525 Salamantis

And RU-486 causes the uterus tissue buildup in which the implanted egg is embedded to slough off and be expelled.

And that just sounds painful....

532 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:02:36pm

re: #520 srb1976

My bad....looking at the wrong drug...sorry.....
So it is.

I think that's a steroid too.

See [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Progesterone also known as P4 (pregn-4-ene-3,20-dione) is a C-21 steroid hormone involved in the female menstrual cycle, pregnancy (supports gestation) and embryogenesis of humans and other species. Progesterone belongs to a class of hormones called progestogens, and is the major naturally occurring human progestogen.

533 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:02:49pm

re: #525 Salamantis

And RU-486 causes the uterus tissue buildup in which the implanted egg is embedded to slough off and be expelled.

Like a miscarriage.

534 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:02:52pm

re: #525 Salamantis

And RU-486 causes the uterus tissue buildup in which the implanted egg is embedded to slough off and be expelled.

ALL OVARIES MUST BE READY.

535 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:03:07pm

re: #517 Killian Bundy

...Side effects may include nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, fatigue, dizziness, menstrual changes and headache.


Fuck and puke? Now there is a choice..

536 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:03:09pm

re: #451 redstateredneck

What? Morning after pill OTC? I've read descriptions of the cramping, bleeding, etc. and it's not pretty. Girls take it thinking it's some magic *poof, I'm not pregnant* pill, but in reality, it's pretty scary.

No scarier than a heavy period, which, technically, is what it induces.

537 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:03:41pm

re: #511 mattm

That's just creepy with the cardboard cutouts.

Here - this is better.

Adam Lambert shopping with his mom, Leila. :D

538 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:03:45pm

re: #478 pat
Sally Quinn is the "religious " writer for the Washington Post ? You've gotta be kidding me! Sally Quinn? No way, not even WAPO would be that stupid!

539 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:04:07pm

re: #535 The Shadow Do

Fuck and puke? Now there is a choice..

In Japan it's quite popular in certain segments of society.

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540 rollwave87  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:04:09pm

so, basically, what we have here is a cult leader in a funny hat trying to pressure our president into impeding the progress of science? and all so many of you can do is make bash obama about it? I don't care who our president is, how liberal or conservative they are, or what color or religion they are...if some force of the 4th century who believes hes married to jesus is attempting to bring my country back to the dark ages, im sure as hell gonna be glad that my president isn't down with that agenda. you all should be to.

541 EmmmieG  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:04:13pm

re: #530 Killian Bundy

/Plan B is OTC for those over 17, so no worries, sleep around without fear

Yeah, except that the explanation I just saw said "Over 80% effective."

That's a pretty big gap to gamble on. I do hope they explain to young ladies what that means.

542 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:04:14pm

Good night, y'all.

543 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:04:20pm

re: #536 Salamantis

No scarier than a heavy period, which, technically, is what it induces.

Spoken like a man.

544 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:04:37pm

re: #518 MandyManners

That reminds me of a really funny (but totally unrelated) book....
Ever read "The Mouse That Roared"?
I found it very amusing

545 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:04:40pm

re: #521 CommonCents

Based on what grand analysis? They lost T.O. and Roy Williams hasn't proven he can compete at the top level for a full season.

I'm not going to squabble with you...they have improved in every aspect of the game...they are aggressive and they are fast

546 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:04:41pm

re: #494 pat

Frankly I believe if the egg is not implanted, that is not abortion.


I agree, and that's why they call it emergency contraception.

547 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:05:00pm

re: #539 Gus 802

In Japan it's quite popular in certain segments of society.

///////////////////////////

In Japan, whatever you got is popular with certain segments of society. :D

548 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:05:20pm

re: #542 Dar ul Harb

Good night, y'all.

'Night!

549 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:05:40pm

re: #539 Gus 802

In Japan it's quite popular in certain segments of society.

///////////////////////////

Information overload

550 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:05:41pm

re: #454 MandyManners

The MAPill will NOT BE AN OTC drug any more than an Rx for The Pill will be an OTC.

GET YOUR FUCKING LINGO CORRECT, AVANTI.

It's been available without Rx over the counter for 18 and up since 2006:

[Link: www.webmd.com...]

The new guidelines simply drop that cutoff a year.

551 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:06:02pm

re: #544 srb1976

That reminds me of a really funny (but totally unrelated) book....
Ever read "The Mouse That Roared"?
I found it very amusing

About the little bitty country?

552 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:06:06pm

re: #543 redstateredneck

Spoken like a man.

True, but I have to tell you - after I had a hysterectomy, I gloated every month when my roomie got her period.

553 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:06:21pm

And people wonder why I've been celibate for a decade in November!

554 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:06:29pm

Here's the Progestin information.

A progestin is a synthetic progestagen that has progestinic effects similar to progesterone.[citation needed] The two most frequent uses of progestins are for hormonal contraception (either alone or with an estrogen), and to prevent endometrial hyperplasia from unopposed estrogen in hormone replacement therapy. Progestins are also used to treat secondary amenorrhea, dysfunctional uterine bleeding and endometriosis, and as palliative treatment of endometrial cancer, renal cell carcinoma, breast cancer, and prostate cancer. High dose megestrol acetate is used to treat anorexia, cachexia and AIDS-related wasting. Progesterone (or sometimes the progestin dydrogesterone or 17α-hydroxyprogesterone caproate) is used for luteal support in IVF protocols, questionably for treatment of recurrent pregnancy loss, and for prevention of preterm birth in pregnant women with a history of at least one spontaneous preterm birth.

555 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:06:41pm

re: #492 Mithrax

There. I do believe I can haz avatar now.

Indeed it is a FINE avatar - who is that, your son?
/

556 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:06:53pm

re: #551 redstateredneck

that's the one = )
Grand Fenwick (I can't believe I remembered that)

557 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:07:11pm

re: #540 rollwave87
Forgot to take your meds, didn't you....

558 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:07:38pm

re: #549 The Shadow Do

Information overload

Serenity now!

/

559 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:08:10pm

re: #536 Salamantis

No scarier than a heavy period, which, technically, is what it induces.

I beg to differ. There can be severe complications which, if not treated, can result in death.

560 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:09:00pm

re: #553 MandyManners

And people wonder why I've been celibate for a decade in November!

You and I need to talk.

561 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:09:26pm

re: #472 avanti

I think that's really all the morning after pill is, a bigger does of the birth control pill.

You can double or triple up (depending upon single pill dosage) on some forms of the birth control pill and it's the same thing as the morning after pill; you just have to be sure you are doubling or tripling up on the right kind of birth control pill.

562 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:10:01pm

re: #539 Gus 802

In Japan it's quite popular in certain segments of society.

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SMACK!

563 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:10:21pm

re: #560 The Shadow Do

You and I need to talk.

Why?

564 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:10:37pm

re: #554 Gus 802

And isn't that funny....emergency birth control is the same drug they use to try to keep the baby in longer.....(Narrowly avoided having to have these shots with my Her Royal Stoutness....they decided that the Little Man hadn't been THAT early)

565 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:10:43pm

re: #562 Dark_Falcon

SMACK!

Ouch!

/

566 EmmmieG  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:10:51pm

OT--I am following a case out here in Oregon of a toddler that died of pneumonia and a blood infection. Her parents were members of a religion in Oregon City that believed only in praying--no doctors.

I hope they convict the parents of manslaughter (the trial is going on right now) not because I want them to suffer, or as revenge, but because it might get more children taken to the doctor.

567 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:11:10pm

re: #560 The Shadow Do

You and I need to talk.


Are you sure you used the right verb?

568 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:11:10pm

re: #559 reine.de.tout

I beg to differ. There can be severe complications which, if not treated, can result in death.

Not according to Wikipedia:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

569 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:11:41pm

re: #553 MandyManners

And people wonder why I've been celibate for a decade in November!

Now there's a novel idea, personal responsibility.

570 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:11:46pm

re: #566 EmmmieG

I heard about that one too. Very sad.

571 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:12:12pm

re: #563 MandyManners

Why?

Just a little fatherly advice from the Monk who knows what year 11 brings.

/Kidding!

572 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:12:16pm

re: #564 srb1976

And isn't that funny....emergency birth control is the same drug they use to try to keep the baby in longer.....(Narrowly avoided having to have these shots with my Her Royal Stoutness....they decided that the Little Man hadn't been THAT early)

Interesting how they use if for a variety of treatments. Cute little man he is by the way.

573 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:12:30pm

re: #511 mattm
Yes, but apparently they sell, among other things, acorns carved to resemble the One.
I mentioned it above but no one liked it - get it ACORNS carved to look like Obama!

574 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:12:53pm

re: #567 Killgore Trout

Are you sure you used the right verb?

Walk?

575 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:13:04pm

The Hope Clinic, where there is choice -
Sounds great!

Except the choice of continuing the pregnancy and either keeping the baby or placing the baby for adoption isn't included. Weird they would leave out a choice.

576 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:13:11pm

re: #541 EmmmieG

Yeah, except that the explanation I just saw said "Over 80% effective."

That's a pretty big gap to gamble on. I do hope they explain to young ladies what that means.

/relax, there's another, harsher pill, if they miss, no worries, after that there's always abortion, for when you just absolutely, positively have to have sex without the possibility of a viable fetus

577 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:13:15pm

re: #572 Gus 802

Interesting how they use if for a variety of treatments. Cute little man he is by the way.

Thanks, but the picture is Her Royal Stoutness (don't worry, she gets that a lot, it's the lack of hair I think) = )

578 Grand Poobah  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:13:30pm

re: #3 reine.de.tout

He is so enraptured with himself, even if he does read it, he'll think "what a quaint little book."

579 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:14:08pm

re: #577 srb1976

Thanks, but the picture is Her Royal Stoutness (don't worry, she gets that a lot, it's the lack of hair I think) = )

Oops, thought I might do that. =)

580 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:14:12pm

re: #244 reine.de.tout

Everyone vote for 244 & get something weird into the top 10!

Goodnight.

581 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:14:25pm

re: #556 srb1976

that's the one = )
Grand Fenwick (I can't believe I remembered that)

Yes! I read it about a hundred years ago.
:D

582 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:14:34pm

re: #573 realwest

Yes, but apparently they sell, among other things, acorns carved to resemble the One.
I mentioned it above but no one liked it - get it ACORNS carved to look like Obama!

That's nuts!

583 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:15:01pm

re: #580 Ojoe

Everyone vote for 244 & get something weird into the top 10!

Goodnight.

Voted!

584 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:15:53pm

re: #581 redstateredneck

Yes! I read it about a hundred years ago.
:D

Same here....the mouse poem made me think of it....

585 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:15:57pm

re: #528 pink freud
Oh thank you my friend - but hear, take back three - three will be enough for me!
And Thank You for the kindness!

586 Conservative Moonbat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:16:21pm

re: #470 Scion9

No, really I'm not. The origins of critical theory and its racist spawn linked above were originated by Marxists for the purposes of advancing Marxist thought.

Also just noticed that the first Critical Race Theorist, Derrick Bell was a professor of Obama's at Harvard Law according to wikipedia.

The Frankfurt school is much closer to postmodernists/post-structuralists than to any revolutionary Marxists. I don't really even think of them as Marxists. The whole New School scene is really annoying. I doubt many of those people support actual working class revolution if it came down to it. They just want to use marxist theory to do literary criticism.

A lot of the names associated with critical theory are purely from the pomo tradition, ie, Foucault. Postmodernism arose directly as a response to the failure of Marxism following the 4th international and later revelations about the horrors of Stalinism.

So really critical theory is backed by armchair academic Marxists and people who admit that Marxism has failed.

I don't even know why I'm arguing about this other than that I'm slightly buzzed and falling victim to the XKCD "but somebody is wrong on the internet" phenomenon.

587 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:16:50pm

re: #568 Salamantis

Not according to Wikipedia:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Not common, but it does happen; the problem is that if this becomes an OTC drug, how many people will read the information and understand that they may need to call a doctor immediately in some situations:

Serious Side Effects
A few serious side effects have been noted for users of emergency contraceptives. See a doctor immediately if any of the following symptoms occur:

Severe abdominal pains
Shortness of breath
Chest pains
Severe headaches
Blurred vision or other eye problems
Leg or arm pain/numbness
If a woman experiences any of these symptoms, she should call a doctor or 911 immediately.

588 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:17:29pm

re: #585 realwest

I just want you to know that my support of unabashed selfishness is limited to acts involving ice cream, cookies, and chocolate....anything else, even the kids have to share = )

589 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:17:55pm

re: #580 Ojoe

Everyone vote for 244 & get something weird into the top 10!

Goodnight.

OMG!
What are you doing to me?

590 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:18:36pm

re: #589 reine.de.tout

OMG!
What are you doing to me?

You're gonna be famous!

591 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:18:56pm

re: #589 reine.de.tout

OMG!
What are you doing to me?

Top ten.......
Congrats!

592 jcm  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:19:11pm

re: #590 Catttt

You're gonna be famous!

As Amos!

593 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:19:20pm

re: #568 Salamantis

Not according to Wikipedia:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It's been widely used, (and abused) in many counties for years. Some studies were done with women that used it a dozen times a year with little risk, and far safer then the risk of a pregnancy to term.

594 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:19:22pm

re: #587 reine.de.tout

Why do I get the feeling that 10 years from now they're going to wish they hadn't introduced this drug as OTC?

595 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:20:18pm

re: #587 reine.de.tout


If a woman experiences any of these symptoms, she should call a doctor or 911 immediately.


And how likely is it that an 18 yr. old (or younger who got an older friend to buy it) will call a doctor?

596 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:21:15pm

re: #589 reine.de.tout

OMG!
What are you doing to me?

Why would one not dunk their chocolate chip cookie in dog water? Some of us don't like milk, but we do like dogs!

Eat the damn cookie and quit your bitchin! Betcha the dog ain't complainin'

597 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:21:21pm

re: #593 avanti

Some studies were done with women that used it a dozen times a year with little risk, and far safer then the risk of a pregnancy to term.

/and you see nothing socially [expletive deleted] up about that?

598 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:21:30pm

Have a good night lizards. I am falling asleep--bed time!

599 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:22:13pm

re: #594 Gus 802

Why do I get the feeling that 10 years from now they're going to wish they hadn't introduced this drug as OTC?

The only thing anyone can do at this point is to try to make sure their kids won't need to use it.

600 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:22:30pm

One more beer and then I'm going to bed.

601 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:23:06pm

re: #587 reine.de.tout

Not common, but it does happen; the problem is that if this becomes an OTC drug, how many people will read the information and understand that they may need to call a doctor immediately in some situations

I'll wager that te information on this will be included with the pill.

/Now if only all recipients will read it...but nothing can be made idiotproof -even aspirin.

602 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:23:28pm

re: #600 redstateredneck

One more beer and then I'm going to bed.

Have to get up for work in like 4 hours...too hot in here to sleep....damn lightning!

603 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:23:47pm

Did I upset anyone tonight?

604 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:23:49pm

re: #569 jcm Hey there jcm! Received and replied to your e-mail!

605 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:23:58pm

re: #599 srb1976

The only thing anyone can do at this point is to try to make sure their kids won't need to use it.

I would think so. Not only regarding the unprotected aspect to the campaign of Plan-B but the fact that they would be ingesting Progestins into a developing body. I'm still reading that they would allow this for 17 year olds.

606 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:24:10pm

re: #594 Gus 802

Why do I get the feeling that 10 years from now they're going to wish they hadn't introduced this drug as OTC?

It's already lower the abortion rate in this country, and has reduced it by over 50% in France for example. It will increase STD's, since men have yet another excuse to not "Take a bath with their boots on"

607 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:24:18pm

rumor has it that M Jackson took ten Xanax a night to sleep, down from 30 or more...interesting

608 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:24:50pm

re: #606 avanti

It's already lower the abortion rate in this country, and has reduced it by over 50% in France for example. It will increase STD's, since men have yet another excuse to not "Take a bath with their boots on"

Exactly on the last point.

609 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:25:12pm

re: #590 Catttt

You're gonna be famous!

Looks like it.
for a stupid "stream of consciousness" sort of a post.
LOL

610 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:25:14pm

re: #573 realwest
Sigh.

611 EmmmieG  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:25:20pm

re: #603 Walter L. Newton

Did I upset anyone tonight?

Yes! *Sobs* I'll never forgive you. I can never get over it.

(Remind me, exactly, what you were upsetting people with?)

612 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:25:27pm

re: #602 srb1976

Have to get up for work in like 4 hours...too hot in here to sleep....damn lightning!

Work! Bummer. I don't have to work until Monday.

613 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:26:00pm

re: #611 EmmmieG

Yes! *Sobs* I'll never forgive you. I can never get over it.

(Remind me, exactly, what you were upsetting people with?)

I don't know, I was at the theatre working, I just wanted to make sure I didn't do anything wrong while I was gone.

614 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:26:09pm

re: #603 Walter L. Newton

Did I upset anyone tonight?

Probably avanti.

615 jaunte  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:26:11pm

re: #603 Walter L. Newton

Did I upset anyone tonight?

Yes, but I'm holding it all in.

616 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:26:12pm

re: #603 Walter L. Newton

Did I upset anyone tonight?

First of all...Yay! a hat! love the new picture...
Second.....not that I know of....but what do I know = )

617 swamprat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:26:23pm

re: #603 Walter L. Newton

Did I upset anyone tonight?

Apparently not.

But you can still redeem your shots for anything on the lower shelf!

618 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:26:32pm

re: #595 redstateredneck

And how likely is it that an 18 yr. old (or younger who got an older friend to buy it) will call a doctor?

Not at all likely.

619 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:26:38pm

we are a country of pill heads...our sexual nature is now chemically controlled...boner pills and abortion pills

620 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:27:13pm

re: #596 The Shadow Do

Why would one not dunk their chocolate chip cookie in dog water? Some of us don't like milk, but we do like dogs!

Eat the damn cookie and quit your bitchin! Betcha the dog ain't complainin'

The damned dog ate the damned cookie.

621 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:27:28pm

re: #612 redstateredneck

Work! Bummer. I don't have to work until Monday.

The upside is that Monday is my Friday...so I get to laugh at all the day shift weinies when they come in that morning = )

622 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:27:29pm

re: #619 albusteve

we are a country of pill heads...our sexual nature is now chemically controlled...boner pills and abortion pills

Not all of us!

623 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:27:39pm

re: #614 redstateredneck

Probably avanti.

Nope, I'm a happy drunk.

624 Conservative Moonbat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:27:45pm

We used the morning after pill once after a condom breakage event. We had no way of knowing if a pregnancy would have resulted or not if we hadn't used it. I imagine such "accidents" account for most of its use.

I'm willing to be the majority of the times it's used, it's unneeded but just take to "better be safe than sorry."

625 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:28:00pm

OT: Germany Revives The Iron Cross

Good to know those German soldiers who have fought bravely against the Taliban will have chance at real recognition.

626 EmmmieG  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:28:07pm

re: #620 reine.de.tout

The damned dog ate the damned cookie.

So...it was a devil's food cookie? (Couldn't resist.)

627 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:28:22pm

re: #594 Gus 802

Why do I get the feeling that 10 years from now they're going to wish they hadn't introduced this drug as OTC?

This is a terrible thing, to have this drug as OTC.
It is very powerful.
When taken under a doctor's supervision, it can be effective and fairly safe.
Now, I read all the inserts that come with any medication I take. But most people don't.

628 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:28:30pm

re: #619 albusteve

we are a country of pill heads...our sexual nature is now chemically controlled...boner pills and abortion pills

They still need to come out with birth control pills for men and arousal pills for women; then the panoply will be complete.

629 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:29:26pm

re: #623 avanti

Nope, I'm a happy drunk.

I

do

like you better at night!

630 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:29:49pm

Funny thing about those boner pills. Why would you "call a doctor if you have a erection lasting over 4 hours" ?

631 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:29:51pm

re: #628 Salamantis

I seriously doubt that most men would take birth control pills...even if it was safe and effective....just don't see the marketing working out on that one = )

632 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:30:08pm

re: #575 reine.de.tout
Hi reine! From your link: "Established in 1974, Hope provides a warm, comfortable, supportive atmosphere, where women—and men—can make a thoughtful choice about terminating a pregnancy." [empahsis added realwest].
That's funny, when did men get to make the choice about a woman having an abortion? I thought it was HER body and HER choice. Leastwise that's what the first Mrs. realwest told me after the fact (and not telling me about the pregnancy in the first place).

633 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:30:22pm

re: #623 avanti

Nope, I'm a happy drunk.

Your drunk, ok, I'll be nice. See what a good fucker I am?

634 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:30:47pm

re: #630 avanti

Funny thing about those boner pills. Why would you "call a doctor if you have a erection lasting over 4 hours" ?

because from what I understand...priapism can be VERY painful....obviously I wouldn't know...but rumor has it....

635 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:30:58pm

re: #627 reine.de.tout

This is a terrible thing, to have this drug as OTC.
It is very powerful.
When taken under a doctor's supervision, it can be effective and fairly safe.
Now, I read all the inserts that come with any medication I take. But most people don't.

Right. Also the OTC factor will make those taking it passive regarding the possible side effects and the severity of therein. Sort of like going to the store and buying a bottle of aspirin or Tums. People will assume there is no risk.

636 EmmmieG  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:31:19pm

re: #632 realwest


I am so sorry to hear that.

637 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:31:44pm

re: #630 avanti

Funny thing about those boner pills. Why would you "call a doctor if you have a erection lasting over 4 hours" ?

If I were on the receiving end, I'd call 911.

638 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:32:00pm

re: #619 albusteve

we are a country of pill heads...our sexual nature is now chemically controlled...boner pills and abortion pills

God bless the free market.

/

639 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:32:02pm

re: #630 avanti

Funny thing about those boner pills. Why would you "call a doctor if you have a erection lasting over 4 hours" ?

/what, not enough time for you to watch internet porn

640 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:32:37pm

re: #629 redstateredneck

like you better at night!

You should see me on the dance floor. I really do "dance like no one is watching" when I'm drunk. BTW, I suspect they are though.

641 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:33:04pm

re: #582 VioletTiger
Hi there VioletTiger - no, it's really not nuts when you think about how ACORN helped commit fraudulent elections!

642 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:33:06pm

re: #601 Salamantis

I'll wager that te information on this will be included with the pill.

/Now if only all recipients will read it...but nothing can be made idiotproof -even aspirin.

That's the thing, Sala. People won't read the information.

643 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:33:33pm

re: #620 reine.de.tout

The damned dog ate the damned cookie.

OK, fights on. Give it up Fido!

644 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:33:39pm

re: #640 avanti

You should see me on the dance floor. I really do "dance like no one is watching" when I'm drunk. BTW, I suspect they are though.

I'm picturing some Saturday Night Fever moves!

645 altermite  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:33:43pm

re: #632 realwest

Hi reine! From your link: "Established in 1974, Hope provides a warm, comfortable, supportive atmosphere, where women—and men—can make a thoughtful choice about terminating a pregnancy." [empahsis added realwest].
That's funny, when did men get to make the choice about a woman having an abortion? I thought it was HER body and HER choice. Leastwise that's what the first Mrs. realwest told me after the fact (and not telling me about the pregnancy in the first place).

It is, ultimately. But men are still allowed to think about it.

646 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:33:51pm

re: #626 EmmmieG

So...it was a devil's food cookie? (Couldn't resist.)

yep!

647 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:34:09pm

re: #631 srb1976

I seriously doubt that most men would take birth control pills...even if it was safe and effective....just don't see the marketing working out on that one = )

I do. They have a niche market for men who don't want to have kids at the moment, and don't trust that their wives or GFs feel the same way.

648 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:34:41pm

re: #644 redstateredneck

I'm picturing some Saturday Night Fever moves!

Actually, I can't post what I'm picturing, but it has something to do with spike heels and a pole :)

649 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:35:13pm

re: #640 avanti

You should see me on the dance floor. I really do "dance like no one is watching" when I'm drunk. BTW, I suspect they are though.

you are so really cool...

650 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:35:20pm

re: #648 Walter L. Newton

Actually, I can't post what I'm picturing, but it has something to do with spike heels and a pole :)

Brain Bleach! ! !

651 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:35:38pm

re: #637 redstateredneck

If I were on the receiving end, I'd call 911.

You just made be realize that having a 4 hour hammer does not mean I'd have the energy to swing the damn thing for over 10 minutes anyway, :)

652 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:35:51pm

re: #603 Walter L. Newton

Did I upset anyone tonight?

Not that I'm aware of Walter, but there's still time!
:)

653 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:36:26pm

OMG..I've got HBO on and they're rerunning a Chris Rock election rant.

654 Tarkus289  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:36:31pm

re: #630 avanti

Funny thing about those boner pills. Why would you "call a doctor if you have a erection lasting over 4 hours" ?

Need some blood for the brain too.

655 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:36:41pm

re: #635 Gus 802

Right. Also the OTC factor will make those taking it passive regarding the possible side effects and the severity of therein. Sort of like going to the store and buying a bottle of aspirin or Tums. People will assume there is no risk.

Exactly. they assume now that tylenol and etc. have no risk; but they do.

656 latingent  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:36:48pm

Carpet rash?re: #630 avanti

Funny thing about those boner pills. Why would you "call a doctor if you have a erection lasting over 4 hours" ?

657 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:37:41pm

re: #631 srb1976

I seriously doubt that most men would take birth control pills...even if it was safe and effective....just don't see the marketing working out on that one = )

If the other alternative were a vasectomy, I would medicate myself with great joy. Past tense, of course. But I'm just one vote.

658 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:37:54pm

foretold decades ago....

659 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:38:09pm

re: #642 reine.de.tout

That's the thing, Sala. People won't read the information.

Then caveat emptor replies. When you put a label on a toaster telling people not to stick forks in it while it's working to fish bread out, you've done all you can reasonably be expected to do to ensure their safety. If they get electrocuted anyway because they didn't bother to read the sticker, it's their own damn fault, and should not be used as a reason not to sell toasters to anybody at all, or to require everybody to pay for consultations or classes in order to purchase them.

660 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:38:30pm

WTF? Back in the old days, the women I knew where on "the pill", round monthly dispenser, they didn't run to the pharmacy in a panic a dozen times a year.

/just another incremental slippage in societal morals on the way to Rome

661 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:39:01pm

re: #655 reine.de.tout

Exactly. they assume now that tylenol and etc. have no risk; but they do.

Hun-unh, gf. They came out this past week about taking acetaminophen off the market because of liver damage. My liver would probably kiss me if all I gave it were some Tylenol.

662 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:39:05pm

re: #615 jaunte
ROTFL! That's right thoughty of ya my friend! LOL!
Hey, how are you doing tonight?

663 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:39:11pm

re: #651 avanti

You just made be realize that having a 4 hour hammer does not mean I'd have the energy to swing the damn thing for over 10 minutes anyway, :)

"I'd hammer out justice...
I'd hammer out a warning...."

664 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:39:16pm

re: #654 Tarkus289

Need some blood for the brain too.

very little for some cases....liberals I'm thinking

665 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:40:13pm

re: #655 reine.de.tout

Exactly. they assume now that tylenol and etc. have no risk; but they do.

I'm reading other stories regarding this. Looks like "the party line" is to object any mention of increases in STDs. As an example from a CBS News story:

He raised moral questions. "I’m not in favor of promotion of a product that would increase sexual activity among teenagers," he says.

Hager speculated about an increase in sexually-transmitted diseases. "I’m saying that it is possible that with the use of Plan B the individual may put herself at greater risk," he says.

But the advisory panel reviewed 40 studies that refuted his objections and showed that Plan B does not lead to more cases of sexually transmitted disease, or more risky sexual behavior.

I believe that doesn't hold up in the UK.

666 Tarkus289  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:40:36pm

re: #664 albusteve

They think with their ass, so it does not have to go that far.

667 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:41:26pm

re: #648 Walter L. Newton

Actually, I can't post what I'm picturing, but it has something to do with spike heels and a pole :)

Walter, closer to doing Elaine from Seinfeld's moves probably.

668 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:41:28pm

re: #666 Tarkus289

They think with their ass, so it does not have to go that far.

That's a low blow to liberals.

669 srb1976  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:41:48pm

Ok, so here I was, typing out an exceptionally witty reply to something, when I realized, that I had pretty much stopped making sense.....
probably time to get some sleep....
Be Back around fruitcup time....have a great night!

670 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:42:19pm

re: #669 srb1976

Ok, so here I was, typing out an exceptionally witty reply to something, when I realized, that I had pretty much stopped making sense.....
probably time to get some sleep....
Be Back around fruitcup time....have a great night!

Sleep well!

671 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:42:39pm

re: #630 avanti

Funny thing about those boner pills. Why would you "call a doctor if you have a erection lasting over 4 hours" ?

A doctor? Hell if I had a boner for four hours I'd call a.........
Well, nevermind.

672 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:42:59pm

re: #660 Killian Bundy

WTF? Back in the old days, the women I knew where on "the pill", round monthly dispenser, they didn't run to the pharmacy in a panic a dozen times a year.

/just another incremental slippage in societal morals on the way to Rome

keep that up and the NOWsters will come spankin...you are merely a tool

673 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:43:01pm

When I clicked on this thread it was at post 666. Kind of funny.

674 GGMac  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:43:05pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Did anybody see what Michelle wore to meet the Pope?
Really strange get-up.

Yes..."respectful" in the extreme. Both of them appeared to be in mourning attire. Pope looked cheery - he never wears black, but perhaps black is below his pay-grade.

Evening reine, pink, and all other Lizards of the night!

675 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:43:13pm

Now Chris Rock is telling me about how black people are very excited about voting for Barack Obama. No shit.

676 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:43:14pm

re: #667 avanti

Walter, closer to doing Elaine from Seinfeld's moves probably.

I've never seen an episode of Seinfeld. Caught a little bit of the show one night, turned it off, never watched again. Why anyone wants to watch a half hour a week of a group of the most self-centered idiots ever scripted is beyond me.

677 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:43:29pm

Who do you call when Obama has an erection, not for four hours but for four years? Erected for four years! Sadly, my doctor has no answer for this.

678 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:43:31pm

re: #659 Salamantis

Then caveat emptor replies. When you put a label on a toaster telling people not to stick forks in it while it's working to fish bread out, you've done all you can reasonably be expected to do to ensure their safety. If they get electrocuted anyway because they didn't bother to read the sticker, it's their own damn fault, and should not be used as a reason not to sell toasters to anybody at all, or to require everybody to pay for consultations or classes in order to purchase them.

Well, I have a bit of a different take on it. Many women and young women particularly will take this because they want to hide the pregnancy from their families. Even if they read the material, I'm afraid some would prefer to try to "stick it out", rather than admit they need medical care because they took this thing. The potential exists for serious complications, that women may not seek treatment for. I just don't think it should be OTC. I don't like that the thing exists in the first place; but if the concern is for a woman's safety, then she should take this thing under the safest circumstances possible.

679 jaunte  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:43:40pm

re: #662 realwest

ROTFL! That's right thoughty of ya my friend! LOL!
Hey, how are you doing tonight?

Pretty good, though I'm a bit in the doghouse. My wife went out to retrieve some wine for us, and while I was in charge of the household, our dog scarfed about half of the Hershey bar she had placed on the coffee table for a late snack. Like reine, the dogs are beating me on the chocolate front. Hopefully Hershey's is too weak in theobromines to hurt the dog.

680 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:44:08pm

re: #673 FamHistoryGuy

When I clicked on this thread it was at post 666. Kind of funny.

And think about the number 667, the neighbor of the beast.

681 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:44:32pm

re: #673 FamHistoryGuy

When I clicked on this thread it was at post 666. Kind of funny.

That used to be a coveted post, along with the 1000 post. I used to make a presentation of awarding a lizard plaque, trophy, some jewelry...whatever I could find on Google images.

682 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:44:44pm

re: #636 EmmmieG

I am so sorry to hear that.


Thanks, me too before I got angry.

683 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:44:54pm

re: #668 Walter L. Newton

That's a low blow to liberals.

Walter, need a beer, my right wing nemesis ?

684 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:44:56pm

re: #545 albusteve

I'm not going to squabble with you...they have improved in every aspect of the game...they are aggressive and they are fast

Sorry. Gut reaction. I'm just a hater.

Go Bucs!

685 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:45:33pm

re: #647 Salamantis

I do. They have a niche market for men who don't want to have kids at the moment, and don't trust that their wives or GFs feel the same way.

I agree. On the "he-man" blogs, the constant horror story is of some evil wummen trapping a poor helpless fellow by sabotaging her contraception and becoming pregnant. Why not give the "poor guy" a chance to take the matter in his own hands? So to speak.

686 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:45:38pm

re: #675 redstateredneck

Now Chris Rock is telling me about how black people are very excited about voting for Barack Obama. No shit.

Didn't you hear? It's a black world. At least in Akron.

687 Tarkus289  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:46:01pm

re: #681 redstateredneck

I was the 5 millionth post.

688 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:46:33pm

re: #678 reine.de.tout

Agreed.

689 FamHistoryGuy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:47:07pm

For a little OT fun, some Ray Stevens.

690 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:47:14pm

re: #684 CommonCents

Sorry. Gut reaction. I'm just a hater.

Go Bucs!

as per your RUDE post back then....R Williams led the NFC in 06 with 1310 yrds...the next year he went to the Pro Bowl....so are you a girl?

691 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:47:32pm

re: #675 redstateredneck

Now Chris Rock is telling me about how black people are very excited about voting for Barack Obama. No shit.

/hey, no white candidate ever got well over 90% of the white vote, probably because they had to split it before Obama, oh wait . . .

692 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:48:03pm

re: #685 ShanghaiEd

I agree. On the "he-man" blogs, the constant horror story is of some evil wummen trapping a poor helpless fellow by sabotaging her contraception and becoming pregnant. Why not give the "poor guy" a chance to take the matter in his own hands? So to speak.

The poor guy could use a rubber.

693 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:48:51pm

re: #687 Tarkus289

I was the 5 millionth post.

Oh, shit, I've gotta find you something really special.

694 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:08pm

re: #683 avanti

Walter, need a beer, my right wing nemesis ?

I don't drink anymore, been there, done that, better than most people I know. I stopped 3 years ago, cold, just like I stopped smoking, cold turkey, one year ago. I also stopped eating and have lost about 200 pounds.

Working on decreasing my need for oxygen next.

695 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:09pm

re: #686 CommonCents

Didn't you hear? It's a black world. At least in Akron.

hey hey
ho ho
Akron crackers
have got to go!

696 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:16pm

Oh shit. Found my way to the lunatics at "Common Dreams." Howard Zinn has some anti-Constitution screed up over there to further brainwash the mindless leftists.

697 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:22pm

re: #690 albusteve

as per your RUDE post back then....R Williams led the NFC in 06 with 1310 yrds...the next year he went to the Pro Bowl....so are you a girl?

Now it's on, chump!

698 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:23pm

re: #678 reine.de.tout

Well, I have a bit of a different take on it. Many women and young women particularly will take this because they want to hide the pregnancy from their families. Even if they read the material, I'm afraid some would prefer to try to "stick it out", rather than admit they need medical care because they took this thing. The potential exists for serious complications, that women may not seek treatment for. I just don't think it should be OTC. I don't like that the thing exists in the first place; but if the concern is for a woman's safety, then she should take this thing under the safest circumstances possible.

No Problemo. You tell your folks that you're sick from something else and go see the doctor, then tell the doctor the problem once you're there. Doctor-patient confidentiality will apply, and you can fill any prescriptions he gives you later on your own.

But at the age of 17 I really don't see such things as a problem, except in rare, pathologically controlling families.

699 Tarkus289  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:49:52pm

re: #693 redstateredneck

Someone sent me a "Golden Lizard" avatar, it was cool, but I like mine just the way it is.

700 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:50:20pm

re: #697 CommonCents

Now it's on, chump!

Chumpy McCowboy

701 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:50:33pm

re: #689 FamHistoryGuy

For a little OT fun, some Ray Stevens.

Did he die?

702 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:51:17pm

re: #694 Walter L. Newton

I don't drink anymore, been there, done that, better than most people I know. I stopped 3 years ago, cold, just like I stopped smoking, cold turkey, one year ago. I also stopped eating and have lost about 200 pounds.

Working on decreasing my need for oxygen next.

you better at 8000 ft

703 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:51:37pm

re: #694 Walter L. Newton

I don't drink anymore, been there, done that, better than most people I know. I stopped 3 years ago, cold, just like I stopped smoking, cold turkey, one year ago. I also stopped eating and have lost about 200 pounds.

Working on decreasing my need for oxygen next.

Well, damn, Walter.

704 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:51:39pm

re: #659 Salamantis
"caveat emptor replies. When you put a label on a toaster telling people not to stick forks in it while it's working to fish bread out, you've done all you can reasonably be expected to do to ensure their safety."
Ah but see, Sal, that's the problem. An 11 year old might make the mistake of using a fork and without parental guidance ahead of time, suffer the consequence.
And yes, of course, I do know that there's a big difference between 11 and 17, but if someone is a minor (legally I mean) why should that person not be subject to adult supervision in using something which is loaded with chemicals and steroidal hormones too?

705 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:52:10pm

re: #648 Walter L. Newton

Actually, I can't post what I'm picturing, but it has something to do with spike heels and a pole :)

Dammit. That made me think of Adam Lambert again. /:D

706 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:52:16pm

re: #692 redstateredneck

The poor guy could use a rubber.

One would think so, wouldn't one? But no, every poster on the mistreated men's boards knows somebody personally whose girlfriend saved the condom until after he was gone, and used its contents to impregnate herself. Because that's how sneaky women are. You're supposed to never let your condom out of your sight, and take it with you when you go.

Goodness knows, I wish I were making this crap up.

707 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:52:36pm

re: #702 albusteve

you better at 8000 ft

Should be up there semi-permanently next week.

708 freetoken  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:52:41pm

re: #526 jeremy0114

I think it is safe to say any religion that believes that Jesus Christ is the Savior is based on Roman Catholicism.

Um.... no. While it is true that the Reformation was a "reformation" of the Churches built around RC church, long before the Roman church became dominant the Christian religion was established throughout Asia Minor into North Africa, with possible offshoots in southern Asia.

709 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:52:59pm

re: #674 GGMac

Hi, GGMac! How's the world treating you?

710 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:53:31pm

re: #694 Walter L. Newton

I don't drink anymore, been there, done that, better than most people I know. I stopped 3 years ago, cold, just like I stopped smoking, cold turkey, one year ago. I also stopped eating and have lost about 200 pounds.

Working on decreasing my need for oxygen next.

I don't enjoy drinking alone, but had friends over earlier, and the bastards left 4 beers in my fridge.

711 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:53:32pm

re: #694 Walter L. Newton

I don't drink anymore, been there, done that, better than most people I know. I stopped 3 years ago, cold, just like I stopped smoking, cold turkey, one year ago. I also stopped eating and have lost about 200 pounds.

Working on decreasing my need for oxygen next.

Oxygen is probably OK. As for the other...how did you manage it? Did you just get PO'd or what? Serious.

712 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:53:37pm

re: #698 Salamantis

No Problemo. You tell your folks that you're sick from something else and go see the doctor, then tell the doctor the problem once you're there. Doctor-patient confidentiality will apply, and you can fill any prescriptions he gives you later on your own.

But at the age of 17 I really don't see such things as a problem, except in rare, pathologically controlling families.

Regarding the age limit one could also say that perhaps there might not be a problem as determined by pathologically controlling governments. The parents can make that determination on their own and if they are fine with it at 17 that is acceptable.

However, the adult age standard in this country is 18 years of age and 21 for the most part regarding legal drinking age. If we begin to edge our way downward to 17 what will stop it from going down to 16 in a decade and then 15 further on.

713 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:53:40pm

re: #694 Walter L. Newton

I don't drink anymore, been there, done that, better than most people I know. I stopped 3 years ago, cold, just like I stopped smoking, cold turkey, one year ago. I also stopped eating and have lost about 200 pounds.

Working on decreasing my need for oxygen next.

Good for you. Very Zen.

I've stopped eating (too much) and have lost 45 pounds and counting. Need to stop smoking too.

714 swamprat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:53:45pm

re: #694 Walter L. Newton

patience

715 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:53:57pm

re: #663 ShanghaiEd

"I'd hammer out justice...
I'd hammer out a warning...."


I'd hammer about the love between my brothers and my sist..........uh, nevermind.
:)

716 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:53:59pm

re: #690 albusteve

Roy 'half-ass' Williams. I thought he was the best thing since slice bread in one of his first games against the Bears. After the '06 season it was all downhill.

'04 14 games
'05 13 gmmes
'06 only healthy year
'07 12 games
'08 15 games and a whopping 36 catches. He didn't even try in the first 5 with Detroit. (I'm a Bucs fan living in Michigan so I get to see the Lions play OPFOR scrimmages weekly).

717 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:54:08pm

re: #706 ShanghaiEd

May 3, 2009 at 9:04 pm

/invoking your sock

718 GGMac  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:54:27pm

re: #632 realwest

Hi reine! From your link: "Established in 1974, Hope provides a warm, comfortable, supportive atmosphere, where women—and men—can make a thoughtful choice about terminating a pregnancy." [empahsis added realwest].
That's funny, when did men get to make the choice about a woman having an abortion? I thought it was HER body and HER choice. Leastwise that's what the first Mrs. realwest told me after the fact (and not telling me about the pregnancy in the first place).

If your faith is "so inclined" - on your Easter Day you will hold that child in your arms...:)

719 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:54:37pm

re: #706 ShanghaiEd

One would think so, wouldn't one? But no, every poster on the mistreated men's boards knows somebody personally whose girlfriend saved the condom until after he was gone, and used its contents to impregnate herself. Because that's how sneaky women are. You're supposed to never let your condom out of your sight, and take it with you when you go.

Goodness knows, I wish I were making this crap up.

I guess if they were really serious about protecting themselves they could swallow it like a top secret message.
/did I really post that?

720 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:55:00pm

re: #707 Walter L. Newton

Should be up there semi-permanently next week.

start hiking up there....live long

721 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:55:42pm

re: #712 Gus 802

Regarding the age limit one could also say that perhaps there might not be a problem as determined by pathologically controlling governments. The parents can make that determination on their own and if they are fine with it at 17 that is acceptable.

However, the adult age standard in this country is 18 years of age and 21 for the most part regarding legal drinking age. If we begin to edge our way downward to 17 what will stop it from going down to 16 in a decade and then 15 further on.

/Yeah; who knows what ages kids will be allowed to tool two-ton missiles down populated roads at lethal speeds?

722 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:55:50pm

re: #719 redstateredneck

I guess if they were really serious about protecting themselves they could swallow it like a top secret message.
/did I really post that?

N-A-S-T-Y

723 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:56:07pm

re: #721 Salamantis

/Yeah; who knows what ages kids will be allowed to tool two-ton missiles down populated roads at lethal speeds?

Good point.

724 el polacko  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:56:13pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

has she given up being jackie O and shooting for grace jones now ?

725 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:56:15pm

re: #711 The Shadow Do

Oxygen is probably OK. As for the other...how did you manage it? Did you just get PO'd or what? Serious.

When you get to the point that you can barely walk from you apartment door 20 feet to your car, and then have to sit in the car for 10 minutes trying to catch your breath, and you legs don't seem to work right, and you can't sleep, because you are so loaded that you're wide awake one minutes and then passing out the next, and you have sleep apnea because you are so fucking fat, basically you stopped hurting yourself when you feel like the walking dead.

Serious enough?

726 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:56:46pm

re: #721 Salamantis

/Yeah; who knows what ages kids will be allowed to tool two-ton missiles down populated roads at lethal speeds?

Yep. Or waiting until you're 18 to able to buy a pack of smokes -- legally.

727 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:56:47pm

re: #712 Gus 802

Hell, what is the age for abortion w/o parental consent in most states? Younger than 17.

728 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:56:56pm

re: #719 redstateredneck

I guess if they were really serious about protecting themselves they could swallow it like a top secret message.
/did I really post that?

LOL...the macho guys' true agenda is revealed!

729 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:57:46pm

re: #727 redstateredneck

Hell, what is the age for abortion w/o parental consent in most states? Younger than 17.

Varies. Many allow it with or without parental consent.

730 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:57:50pm

re: #720 albusteve

start hiking up there....live long

Oh, on a good week, I have been doing 3-4 miles up there, Jefferson Country has more public trails and green space per-capita than any country in the country.

731 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:58:06pm

re: #679 jaunte
"Hopefully Hershey's is too weak in theobromines to hurt the dog." Hey, your wife left that on the table UNDER YOUR SUPERVISION - to hell with the dog, run for your life!
/

732 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:58:36pm

re: #725 Walter L. Newton

When you get to the point that you can barely walk from you apartment door 20 feet to your car, and then have to sit in the car for 10 minutes trying to catch your breath, and you legs don't seem to work right, and you can't sleep, because you are so loaded that you're wide awake one minutes and then passing out the next, and you have sleep apnea because you are so fucking fat, basically you stopped hurting yourself when you feel like the walking dead.

Serious enough?

Yes.

I appreciate your response, really.

733 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:59:27pm

re: #720 albusteve

start hiking up there....live long

Hell, it's hard to hike at 8,000 feet. I couldn't walk a block without stopping to rest my first two weeks in Denver, and that's a helluva lot lower than where Walter's going.

734 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:59:58pm

re: #716 CommonCents

Roy 'half-ass' Williams. I thought he was the best thing since slice bread in one of his first games against the Bears. After the '06 season it was all downhill.

'04 14 games
'05 13 gmmes
'06 only healthy year
'07 12 games
'08 15 games and a whopping 36 catches. He didn't even try in the first 5 with Detroit. (I'm a Bucs fan living in Michigan so I get to see the Lions play OPFOR scrimmages weekly).

just wait...the Cowboys have at least a coulpe of other good young receivers and I don't expect him to get even 1k...the Cowboys are start running the ball...with a vengence...they have three dynamite backs...they will absolutely look different this year

735 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 9:59:59pm

re: #727 redstateredneck

Hell, what is the age for abortion w/o parental consent in most states? Younger than 17.

Since you mention that I guess I might as well forget about the 17 year limit regarding Plan B.

736 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:00:27pm

re: #704 realwest

"caveat emptor replies. When you put a label on a toaster telling people not to stick forks in it while it's working to fish bread out, you've done all you can reasonably be expected to do to ensure their safety."
Ah but see, Sal, that's the problem. An 11 year old might make the mistake of using a fork and without parental guidance ahead of time, suffer the consequence.
And yes, of course, I do know that there's a big difference between 11 and 17, but if someone is a minor (legally I mean) why should that person not be subject to adult supervision in using something which is loaded with chemicals and steroidal hormones too?

Many of the same people who are soooo concerned with women's health in such circumstances where the dangers are statistically miniscule are antiabortion, and seem to show no concern whatsoever in returning to the days when women used to face much greater dangers seeking back alley butchers, getting friends to punch them in their stomachs, throwing tyhemselves down stairs, drinking noxious potions, or perforating themselves with coathangers and knitting needles.

737 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:00:31pm

re: #706 ShanghaiEd

One would think so, wouldn't one? But no, every poster on the mistreated men's boards knows somebody personally whose girlfriend saved the condom until after he was gone, and used its contents to impregnate herself. Because that's how sneaky women are. You're supposed to never let your condom out of your sight, and take it with you when you go.

Goodness knows, I wish I were making this crap up.

Jeezus - you are paranoid. Use a condom with a fricking spermicide! Plus, condoms have a failure rate of about 15%. Plus, sperm outside the body does not last that long.

738 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:02:26pm

re: #706 ShanghaiEd

One would think so, wouldn't one? But no, every poster on the mistreated men's boards knows somebody personally whose girlfriend saved the condom until after he was gone, and used its contents to impregnate herself. Because that's how sneaky women are. You're supposed to never let your condom out of your sight, and take it with you when you go.

Goodness knows, I wish I were making this crap up.

Are you being serious?

739 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:02:33pm

re: #733 redstateredneck

Hell, it's hard to hike at 8,000 feet. I couldn't walk a block without stopping to rest my first two weeks in Denver, and that's a helluva lot lower than where Walter's going.

I spent a week in Co Springs last summer and got the black out thing going where you get tunnel vision and it starts closing in on you. It was cool.

The reason, I was doing some wood working on a lathe for the first time. When I concentrate I tend to stick out my tongue and apparently I hold my breath too. I was really into it.

740 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:02:39pm

re: #722 CommonCents

N-A-S-T-Y

Not necessarily. There are edible condoms. :D

741 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:02:59pm

re: #730 Walter L. Newton

Oh, on a good week, I have been doing 3-4 miles up there, Jefferson Country has more public trails and green space per-capita than any country in the country.

yup...it's addicting eh?...hiking is just huge all over north NM...the big thing around here is to go up to the top of Sandia Peak and back....just a beautiful view all the way up...tough little climb tho

742 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:03:13pm

re: #734 albusteve

Who's #3? Barber, Jones, and ?

743 pat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:03:20pm

re: #725 Walter L. Newton

I admire you for your determination.

744 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:04:19pm

re: #734 albusteve

just wait...the Cowboys have at least a coulpe of other good young receivers and I don't expect him to get even 1k...the Cowboys are start running the ball...with a vengence...they have three dynamite backs...they will absolutely look different this year

Steve, back away from that Jerry Jones press release. Please, for your own good. Wade Phillips, repeat, Wade Phillips...

/The Shadow, in Dallas

745 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:04:31pm

re: #737 Catttt

Jeezus - you are paranoid. Use a condom with a fricking spermicide! Plus, condoms have a failure rate of about 15%. Plus, sperm outside the body does not last that long.

Registered since: May 3, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Registered since: May 3, 2009 at 9:04 pm

/find the sock

746 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:04:35pm

re: #733 redstateredneck

Hell, it's hard to hike at 8,000 feet. I couldn't walk a block without stopping to rest my first two weeks in Denver, and that's a helluva lot lower than where Walter's going.

I'm at 5000ft here in ABQ....and it's uphill in every direction from the valley

747 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:04:55pm

re: #740 Catttt

Not necessarily. There are edible condoms. :D

Sorry, but there is no way to make that sound reasonable. I'll stick (no pun) to my original reply.

748 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:04:58pm

re: #743 pat

I admire you for your determination.

Thanks. I'm 56 and I don't feel like stopping yet.

749 ggt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:05:50pm

Hello Night Lizards! It was sultry in Near Iowa today.

Did anyone ever explain Vatican II to Michelle? Roman Catholic women quit covering their heads 40+ years ago. Perhaps she had an Orthodox Catholic advising her?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

750 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:06:27pm

re: #744 The Shadow Do

Steve, back away from that Jerry Jones press release. Please, for your own good. Wade Phillips, repeat, Wade Phillips...

/The Shadow, in Dallas

Jim Jones, Jerry Jones, it's all in the cool aid.
/

751 sngnsgt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:06:30pm

re: #630 avanti

Funny thing about those boner pills. Why would you "call a doctor if you have a erection lasting over 4 hours" ?

One night my GF and I were watching TV and that ad came on, she said, "If you have an erection lasting over 4 hours and you touch that f'n phone, I'm going to kick your a$$!"

752 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:06:44pm

re: #741 albusteve

yup...it's addicting eh?...hiking is just huge all over north NM...the big thing around here is to go up to the top of Sandia Peak and back....just a beautiful view all the way up...tough little climb tho

About a month ago we were about 1000 feet above Red Rocks Ampitheatre. Nice view, but a little annoying to have basically a giant boom box invade the whole mountain with rock music.

753 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:07:04pm

re: #746 albusteve

I'm at 5000ft here in ABQ....and it's uphill in every direction from the valley

You da man. I'm not much above sea level now.

754 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:07:12pm

re: #734 albusteve

just wait...the Cowboys have at least a coulpe of other good young receivers and I don't expect him to get even 1k...the Cowboys are start running the ball...with a vengence...they have three dynamite backs...they will absolutely look different this year

Well, if the Bears aren't the NFC Champs this year, I'll be pulling for the Cowboys to be in there.

755 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:08:05pm

re: #752 Walter L. Newton

About a month ago we were about 1000 feet above Red Rocks Ampitheatre. Nice view, but a little annoying to have basically a giant boom box invade the whole mountain with rock music.

I saw a couple of concerts at RedRocks, but can't remember who. Dave Mason, maybe and ...it was the 70's.

756 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:08:14pm

re: #737 Catttt

Jeezus - you are paranoid. Use a condom with a fricking spermicide! Plus, condoms have a failure rate of about 15%. Plus, sperm outside the body does not last that long.

Not me, Catttt. I'm talking about the threads of "He-Men Women Haters" clubs, for lack of a better name, some of whom actually grace us with their presence here. Did you miss the over-the-top thread by the "attorney" who was bent on explaining to us how the legal system was 100% stacked against men?

It's another part of Crazy World that I marvel at. You're absolutely right, but logic is not these guys' strong suit.

757 Racer X  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:09:08pm

Hello nocturnal Lizards!

Wazzup?

758 ggt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:09:08pm

While I don't think anyone famous died today, there is this truly grave story about outright evil happening in Alsip, Illinois.

My apologies if it has already been posted.

759 NY Nana  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:09:12pm

re: #1 sngnsgt

Does it play on a teleprompter?

/It had better!

Hmmm, on second thought? Maybe not!;)

760 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:09:32pm

re: #746 albusteve

I'm at 5000ft here in ABQ....and it's uphill in every direction from the valley

Here in Golden, it's a little under 6000. The Secret Mountain Lair where I'll be moving to, is about 8000 feet. Temperature is always 10-15 degrees lower. Right now, it's 61 in Golden, 51 up there, and it's only 11:00 PM. It will probably go into the 40's up there before morning.

761 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:10:28pm

Let me ask everybody a question.

If I commented that I had [fill in the blank] at university . . .

/could I possibly be from the United States?

762 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:10:59pm

re: #706 ShanghaiEd
Yeah, well I wish I was making up the crap at my #632, too. But I wasn't. And yes I readlily recognize the differences: married, no birth control being used and then when SHE gets Pregnant, it's all about HER rights.
I haven't read any stupid fuckin' comments made at those "men's boards" y'all were talking about, nor have I been especially against post-intercourse pills - but really they ought to be available only to women over the age of majority in whatever State they live in and if the "woman" is a minor who is also married, then it ought to require the husband's consent as well.

763 jaunte  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:10:59pm

re: #741 albusteve

yup...it's addicting eh?...hiking is just huge all over north NM...the big thing around here is to go up to the top of Sandia Peak and back....just a beautiful view all the way up...tough little climb tho

Here's a view down from Sandia peak, for the folks who haven't been there:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

764 sngnsgt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:11:01pm

re: #755 redstateredneck

Recently saw Rush @ RedRocks, best time I've ever seen them. (Of the 25 times I have)

765 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:11:42pm

re: #761 Killian Bundy

Let me ask everybody a question.

If I commented that I had [fill in the blank] at university . . .


/could I possibly be from the United States?

Quiet possibly if one were in hospital.

//

766 Racer X  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:11:51pm

re: #761 Killian Bundy

Let me ask everybody a question.

If I commented that I had [fill in the blank] at university . . .

/could I possibly be from the United States?

No.

767 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:12:28pm

re: #758 ggt

While I don't think anyone famous died today, there is this truly grave story about outright evil happening in Alsip, Illinois.

My apologies if it has already been posted.

Oh, yeah. We were all over that this morning. Really low.

768 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:12:31pm

re: #742 CommonCents

Who's #3? Barber, Jones, and ?

Tashard Choice...a rookie last year....they put him in 'I can't remember which game' at the end of the season, maybe the Steeler game....he flat out tore up everything in sight...very strong and patient....shades of Emmitt Smith...I kid you not...he peeled off yards (I think it was the Steelers) bigtime...he is very hungry and the coaches went gaga...Felix Jones is a friggin beast...a homerun threat every time....talk about eye poppin...and he's a fine receiver...whoa....he is very dangerous in the open...look for him to line up in the slot and even outside...if all goes well the CBs could really get it going....they also have two really great tight ends....talk about problems for a defense....these guys may be like Holy Shit! this year...we'll see

769 jaunte  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:12:42pm

re: #761 Killian Bundy

Let me ask everybody a question.

If I commented that I had [fill in the blank] at university . . .

/could I possibly be from the United States?

Only if poor typist leave word out.

770 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:12:47pm

re: #761 Killian Bundy

Let me ask everybody a question.

If I commented that I had [fill in the blank] at university . . .

/could I possibly be from the United States?

Possibly but you wouldn't be anyone I know.

771 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:13:09pm

re: #766 Racer X

No.

/protect yourself from flouncing

772 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:13:15pm

re: #762 realwest

Yeah, well I wish I was making up the crap at my #632, too. But I wasn't. And yes I readlily recognize the differences: married, no birth control being used and then when SHE gets Pregnant, it's all about HER rights.
I haven't read any stupid fuckin' comments made at those "men's boards" y'all were talking about, nor have I been especially against post-intercourse pills - but really they ought to be available only to women over the age of majority in whatever State they live in and if the "woman" is a minor who is also married, then it ought to require the husband's consent as well.

Why? She's his wife, not his child.

773 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:13:31pm

re: #761 Killian Bundy

Let me ask everybody a question.

If I commented that I had [fill in the blank] at university . . .

/could I possibly be from the United States?

Pro'lly not.

774 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:13:36pm

re: #768 albusteve

That would be something if they ran the wishbone.
/

775 ggt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:13:38pm

I'm a bit behind on the local news, so I am a bit shocked by the Alsip Cemetary Scandal. Here is another article with pictures of the creeps.

776 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:14:25pm

re: #758 ggt

While I don't think anyone famous died today, there is this truly grave story about outright evil happening in Alsip, Illinois.

My apologies if it has already been posted.

I read about that, it's been all over the papers here. I live on the other side of Chicago from Alsip (Near Northwest Suburbs, to be exact), but I go by there once or twice a month to visit my best friend. What happened there was truly rancid and I hope the perpetrators get 10+ years for what they did.

777 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:14:45pm

re: #760 Walter L. Newton

Here in Golden, it's a little under 6000. The Secret Mountain Lair where I'll be moving to, is about 8000 feet. Temperature is always 10-15 degrees lower. Right now, it's 61 in Golden, 51 up there, and it's only 11:00 PM. It will probably go into the 40's up there before morning.

Mountain lair sounds nice. I wouldn't mind moving up there myself. Renting would probably be even cheaper. Denver's OK but I'm not into apartment living and city living anymore.

778 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:15:03pm

re: #738 Gus 802

Are you being serious?

Gus: No, no, no! Sorry if I was unclear. srb brought up the subject of male birth control, and I was referring to the crazy poster here a few weeks ago telling us how evil women are, that they stop at nothing to entrap men, etc.

Obviously I don't subscribe to this weirdness. I'm darkly fascinated by the mindset it takes to believe it, though.

779 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:15:16pm

re: #769 jaunte

Only if poor typist leave word out.

Or Ice is fucking with us.

780 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:16:06pm

re: #744 The Shadow Do

Steve, back away from that Jerry Jones press release. Please, for your own good. Wade Phillips, repeat, Wade Phillips...

/The Shadow, in Dallas

I've been a fan for 40 yrs....the Cowboys have the potential to be very good again...trust me...I could care less what JJ says

781 jaunte  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:16:33pm

re: #778 ShanghaiEd

I remember that poster. He didn't seem like a very trustworthy legal representative.

782 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:16:37pm

re: #778 ShanghaiEd

Gus: No, no, no! Sorry if I was unclear. srb brought up the subject of male birth control, and I was referring to the crazy poster here a few weeks ago telling us how evil women are, that they stop at nothing to entrap men, etc.

Obviously I don't subscribe to this weirdness. I'm darkly fascinated by the mindset it takes to believe it, though.

Sorry, I realized that after you posted a follow up. My sarcasm meter was off. Didn't seem like something you would really believe anyway.

I know who you're referring too. I forgot his name. Some crazy divorce attorney that lasted about 3 hours.

783 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:16:41pm

Well, we have a consensus.

Registered since: May 3, 2009 at 9:04 pm

/the other sock claims to have voted in every election since age 18, can't remember if it specified U.S. elections

784 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:17:32pm

re: #777 Gus 802

Mountain lair sounds nice. I wouldn't mind moving up there myself. Renting would probably be even cheaper. Denver's OK but I'm not into apartment living and city living anymore.

Renting in the mountains cheaper? Are you kidding? No way. I'm fortunate, my girlfriend has a house, and I will be helping with the expenses. But there is no way I could afford to rent in the hills. I only pay 600 a month in Golden. it would be 900-1200 for not much more space in the hills.

785 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:17:53pm

re: #736 Salamantis

Many of the same people who are soooo concerned with women's health in such circumstances where the dangers are statistically miniscule are antiabortion, and seem to show no concern whatsoever in returning to the days when women used to face much greater dangers seeking back alley butchers, getting friends to punch them in their stomachs, throwing tyhemselves down stairs, drinking noxious potions, or perforating themselves with coathangers and knitting needles.


And some of us are concerned with what underage girls will be able to ingest to prevent pregnancies - without a doctor's prescription or parental consent.

786 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:18:34pm

re: #761 Killian Bundy

Let me ask everybody a question.

If I commented that I had [fill in the blank] at university . . .

/could I possibly be from the United States?

Never fear, Killian. I meant to bring this up when you mentioned the same thing this morning...I've got a nifty application I use that alerts me immediately whenever an evil furriner tries to post on LGF, and Iceweasel's posts don't set off the alarm. Don't worry, I've got your back. We're all Americans, here.

787 ggt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:18:41pm
788 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:18:48pm

re: #784 Walter L. Newton

Renting in the mountains cheaper? Are you kidding? No way. I'm fortunate, my girlfriend has a house, and I will be helping with the expenses. But there is no way I could afford to rent in the hills. I only pay 600 a month in Golden. it would be 900-1200 for not much more space in the hills.

I'm a little over 800 now in a 1 bedroom. Top floor mountain and city view. It's OK.

789 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:18:49pm

re: #775 ggt

I'm a bit behind on the local news, so I am a bit shocked by the Alsip Cemetary Scandal. Here is another article with pictures of the creeps.

I'm reminded of the Georgia crematorium a few years ago.

790 ggt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:19:13pm

re: #777 Gus 802

Mountain lair sounds nice. I wouldn't mind moving up there myself. Renting would probably be even cheaper. Denver's OK but I'm not into apartment living and city living anymore.

I don't mind mountains, but I can't do Colorado type mountains. Waaaay too dry for me.

791 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:19:24pm

re: #785 realwest

And some of us are concerned with what underage girls will be able to ingest to prevent pregnancies - without a doctor's prescription or parental consent.

Yeah - like homemade potions that can kill them, rather than empirically tested pharmaceuticals complete with instructions.

792 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:19:28pm

re: #774 CommonCents

That would be something if they ran the wishbone.
/

they are talking the Razorback (Wildcat) offense...Jones ran it at Arkansas with McFadden and they tore up the conference...here it is...Jones can do it all

[Link: www.fannation.com...]

793 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:19:39pm

With all the overhyped shit about Michael Jackson, I thought this should be shared for perspective. I didn't hear anything about it until yesterday.

Ed Freeman
You’re a 19 year old kid. You’re critically wounded, and dying in the jungle
in the Ia Drang Valley, 11-14-1965, LZ X-ray, Vietnam. Your infantry unit is
outnumbered 8–1, and the enemy fire is so intense, from 100 or 200 yards
away, that your own Infantry Commander has ordered the Medi-Vac helicopters
to stop coming in.

You’re lying there, listening to the enemy machine guns, and you know you’re
not getting out. Your family is half way around the world—12,000 miles
away—and you’ll never see them again. As the world starts to fade in and
out, you know this is the day.

Then, over the machine gun noise, you faintly hear that sound of a
helicopter, and you look up to see an un-armed Huey, but it doesn't seem
real, because no Medi-Vac markings are on it.

Ed Freeman is coming for you. He’s not Medi-Vac, so it’s not his job, but he’s
flying his Huey down into the machine gun fire, after the Medi-Vacs were
ordered not to come.

He’s coming anyway.

And he drops it in, and sits there in the machine gun fire, as they load 2
or 3 of you on board. Then he flies you up and out through the gunfire, to
the doctors and nurses.

And, he kept coming back…13 more times!…and took about 30 of you and your
buddies out, who would never have gotten out.

Medal of Honor Recipient, Ed Freeman, died Wednesday, March 25th, 2009 at
the age of 80, in Boise, ID. May God rest his soul.
Medal of Honor Winner
Ed Freeman!
Since the Media didn't give him the coverage he deserves. Please send this to
every red blooded American you know.
THANKS AGAIN ED FOR WHAT YOU DID FOR OUR COUNTRY.
R.I.P.

794 pink freud  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:20:03pm

re: #769 jaunte

Only if poor typist leave word out.

Colour.
Neighbourhood.
Civilised.

795 ggt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:20:19pm

re: #789 redstateredneck

I'm reminded of the Georgia crematorium a few years ago.

I don't get it. Freakin' corpses, I mean FREAKIN' CORPSES!

796 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:20:40pm

re: #763 jaunte

Here's a view down from Sandia peak, for the folks who haven't been there:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

you should see MY pictures...haha!...thanks for that....one of the most unusual mountains in the west

797 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:20:51pm

re: #786 ShanghaiEd

Never fear, Killian. I meant to bring this up when you mentioned the same thing this morning...I've got a nifty application I use that alerts me immediately whenever an evil furriner tries to post on LGF, and Iceweasel's posts don't set off the alarm. Don't worry, I've got your back. We're all Americans, here.

/I wasn't here yesterday morning, by the way, did I mention Iceweasel?

798 Racer X  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:21:23pm

Received this in an email today (from a very liberal relative):

WHY ARE WE BANKRUPT?

1. Boy, was I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.Verify at: [Link: tinyurl.com...]

2. $2.2 Billio n dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

Verify at: [Link: www.cis.org...]

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

Verify at: [Link: www.cis.org...]

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

Verify at: [Link: transcripts.CNN.com...]

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

Verify at [Link: transcripts.CNN.com...]

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

Verify at: [Link: transcripts.cnn.com...]

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

Verify at: [Link: transcripts.CNN.com...]

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.

Verify at: [Link: premium.CNN.com...]

9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

Verify at: [Link: transcripts.cnn.com...]

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US

Verify at: [Link: transcripts.CNN.com...]

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.

Verify at: Homeland Security Report: [Link: tinyurl.com...]

12. The Nation al policy Institute, estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'

Verify at: [Link: www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org...] /B>

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.

Verify at: [Link: www.rense.com...]

14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'

Verify at: http: // [Link: www.drdsk.com...]

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU'RE LIKE ME HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00, WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.


Are we THAT stupid? YES, FOR LETTING THOSE IN THE U.S. CONGRESS GET AWAY WITH LETTING THIS HAPPEN YEAR AFTER 20 YEAR!

If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message. If, on the other hand, it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you forward it to every legal resident in the country including every elected representative in Washington , D.C. . - five times a week for as long as it takes to restore some semblance of intelligence in our policies and enforcement thereof.

Not sure how accurate the information is - I'm just stunned by who sent it.

799 altermite  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:22:16pm

re: #756 ShanghaiEd

Not me, Catttt. I'm talking about the threads of "He-Men Women Haters" clubs, for lack of a better name, some of whom actually grace us with their presence here. Did you miss the over-the-top thread by the "attorney" who was bent on explaining to us how the legal system was 100% stacked against men?

It's another part of Crazy World that I marvel at. You're absolutely right, but logic is not these guys' strong suit.

I did meet one noxious specimen in high school who while very drunk and under the impression (somehow) that I was gay, confessed that she would boil condoms, 'since guys can see needle holes'

While I knew that probably didn't work, I didn't have the heart to tell her. Well, maybe heart isn't the right word.

800 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:22:16pm

Walter...

Red Rocks is a national treasure....you know that

801 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:22:37pm

re: #790 ggt

I don't mind mountains, but I can't do Colorado type mountains. Waaaay too dry for me.

Gets pretty dry in place. Seems like we're seeing a return of afternoon thunderstorms including showers however. Of course that doesn't really have an effect on vegetation which tends to be of a "dryer" variety. As far as mountain beauty in Colorado I think it's best towards the southwest. Going towards Durango, Silverton, etc.

802 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:22:48pm

One more, one more beer. And then I'm going to bed, really.

803 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:23:16pm

re: #793 CommonCents

the Ira Drang fight....."We Were Soldiers Once".....brutal

804 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:23:35pm

re: #772 Salamantis
NO SAL. SHE IS his wife, but the child is both of thiers. At least that's how I felt when the events I described in my#632 the fetus belongs to BOTH HUSBAND AND WIFE.

805 Racer X  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:23:48pm

Is someone fixing to Flounce?

806 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:23:48pm

re: #780 albusteve

I've been a fan for 40 yrs....the Cowboys have the potential to be very good again...trust me...I could care less what JJ says

Offense looks pretty good, provided Romo keeps his head on straight. Defense? Wait and see, but I don't find any real big play makers on that side of the ball. Play making defense separates the men from the Boys, as it were.

807 jaunte  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:23:55pm

re: #796 albusteve

you should see MY pictures...haha!...thanks for that....one of the most unusual mountains in the west

It's a fascinating place. Looking around for info about the geology of the region, I found this:[Link: www.cabq.gov...]
(You know this, but for everyone) Sandia peak is the dark bit off to the right of the illustration, labeled 10,000ft. Look how far down the other Pennsylvanian strata is, under Albuquerque!

808 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:24:45pm

re: #790 ggt

I don't mind mountains, but I can't do Colorado type mountains. Waaaay too dry for me.

the central Rockies are not dry....I disagree with that

809 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:25:03pm

re: #803 albusteve

the Ira Drang fight....."We Were Soldiers Once".....brutal

They casted the movie well though, I thought. Especially Sam Elliott as the sgt.

810 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:25:08pm

re: #775 ggt

I'm a bit behind on the local news, so I am a bit shocked by the Alsip Cemetary Scandal. Here is another article with pictures of the creeps.


Yeah ggt, I was hoping Charles would have a thread about it, but I was wrong about that.

811 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:25:09pm

re: #802 redstateredneck

One more, one more beer. And then I'm going to bed, really.

I'm on my last one, and losing my buzz anyway.

812 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:25:16pm

re: #804 realwest

Aw, {real}. Guy's don't have any rights when it comes to a "woman's right to choose", do they?

813 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:27:15pm

re: #800 albusteve

Walter...

Red Rocks is a national treasure....you know that

Yea, but it's still annoying when you are 2 miles away from it, and a thousand or more feet up from it, and all you can hear is the thump, thump, thump of the back beat from the warm up band, at 5:00pm in the afternoon.

I can understand after dark, since most people aren't taking a casual walk in the mountains late after dark, but 5:00pm iin the afternoon is prime time for folks doing a little hike after work.

Thump, thump, thump and you can't even hear the birds chirping, very annoying, national treasure or not.

In my opinion.

814 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:27:24pm

re: #783 Killian Bundy
Uh, WHAT? Names please - it's too late and I'm too fucking pissed off to go hunting for 'em.

815 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:27:36pm

re: #811 avanti

I'm on my last one, and losing my buzz anyway.

I bought the 18-pack on my way home from work (it's a better value), so I've got plenty.

816 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:27:36pm

re: #798 Racer X

Cut and paste the first few sentences into google and check out the sites promoting that one.

817 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:28:06pm

re: #805 Racer X

Is someone fixing to Flounce?

I'm fixin' to go to bed. Would you like a flounce from me just for the fun of it?

818 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:28:49pm

In fact, has anyone on this thread typed the word iceweasel besides ShanghaiEd?

Registered since: May 3, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Registered since: May 3, 2009 at 9:04 pm

/because that just happens to be the correct sock answer

819 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:28:49pm

re: #790 ggt

I don't mind mountains, but I can't do Colorado type mountains. Waaaay too dry for me.

I once again link to the 2008 vacation photos. Click any picture to enlarge. I've never been anywhere like it and would move in a heartbeat.

820 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:28:52pm

re: #806 The Shadow Do

Offense looks pretty good, provided Romo keeps his head on straight. Defense? Wait and see, but I don't find any real big play makers on that side of the ball. Play making defense separates the men from the Boys, as it were.

they have some very good young DBs...I'm tellin ya....ball hogs...that is where they gave it up last year and these kids are looking good....speed/speed and more speed

821 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:29:06pm

Right here for what I think is the most beautiful part(s) of Colorado:

Million Dollar Highway

822 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:29:07pm

re: #817 Walter L. Newton

I'm fixin' to go to bed. Would you like a flounce from me just for the fun of it?

Why, Walter. You sound positively southern with that fixin' to.

823 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:29:31pm

re: #797 Killian Bundy

/I wasn't here yesterday morning, by the way, did I mention Iceweasel?

This morning, I said. Was that not you? Is there another poster besides Iceweasel who uses a British construction now and then? If so, I haven't seen it. I sense a conspiracy theory, here. How do you think I'm involved?

824 Salamantis  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:29:38pm

re: #804 realwest

NO SAL. SHE IS his wife, but the child is both of thiers. At least that's how I felt when the events I described in my#632 the fetus belongs to BOTH HUSBAND AND WIFE.

He doesn't have to carry it to term, and take the associated risks. It's her body that is concerned, not his. Nor, in most cases, is the male the primary caregiver.

It ain't equal. So the right to make the decision shouldn't be.

825 ggt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:29:43pm
826 ggt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:30:20pm

re: #808 albusteve

the central Rockies are not dry....I disagree with that

Been there, but a cheap humidifier every time.

827 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:30:53pm

re: #821 Gus 802

Right here for what I think is the most beautiful part(s) of Colorado:

Million Dollar Highway

Dude. The fall picture is the orange leaves is IT.

828 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:30:56pm

re: #822 redstateredneck

Why, Walter. You sound positively southern with that fixin' to.

I spent over 15 years in Texas and my mothers side of the family is from Naw Arlens.

829 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:31:09pm

re: #823 ShanghaiEd

This morning, I said. Was that not you? Is there another poster besides Iceweasel who uses a British construction now and then? If so, I haven't seen it. I sense a conspiracy theory, here. How do you think I'm involved?

Registered since: May 3, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Registered since: May 3, 2009 at 9:04 pm

/search me

830 realwest  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:31:33pm

re: #812 redstateredneck
No they don't. And they don't apparently have any rights to even know if their wife is pregnant.

831 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:31:33pm

re: #756 ShanghaiEd

Not me, Catttt. I'm talking about the threads of "He-Men Women Haters" clubs, for lack of a better name, some of whom actually grace us with their presence here. Did you miss the over-the-top thread by the "attorney" who was bent on explaining to us how the legal system was 100% stacked against men?

It's another part of Crazy World that I marvel at. You're absolutely right, but logic is not these guys' strong suit.

OH. Sorry. Thank goodness! I was worried.

832 jaunte  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:31:39pm

re: #816 Killgore Trout

Cut and paste the first few sentences into google and check out the sites promoting that one.

The Factcheck site has a lot of questions about it.
[Link: www.factcheck.org...]

833 albusteve  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:32:00pm

re: #807 jaunte

It's a fascinating place. Looking around for info about the geology of the region, I found this:[Link: www.cabq.gov...]
(You know this, but for everyone) Sandia peak is the dark bit off to the right of the illustration, labeled 10,000ft. Look how far down the other Pennsylvanian strata is, under Albuquerque!

pretty cool, I booked it....the white lateral formations at the top of Sandia is seabed limestone....hundreds of feet thick

834 Gus 802  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:32:17pm

re: #827 CommonCents

Dude. The fall picture is the orange leaves is IT.

Aren't those great? I haven't been down there in years but when I first went it gave me that feeling that I sort of lost over the years. Sort of like when I went from New Jersey to Colorado when I was a teen. I was in awe at the natural beauty.

835 swamprat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:32:18pm

re: #814 realwest

Uh, WHAT? Names please - it's too late and I'm too fucking pissed off to go hunting for 'em.

Iceweasel and ShanghaiEd... both registered at the same time. Different Karma percentages, different link ratios.

836 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:32:54pm

re: #828 Walter L. Newton

I spent over 15 years in Texas and my mothers side of the family is from Naw Arlens.

Go ahead on! I live about a hunnerd miles north of N'awlins.

837 ggt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:33:53pm

re: #812 redstateredneck

Aw, {real}. Guy's don't have any rights when it comes to a "woman's right to choose", do they?

You have a right to choose. Keep in in your pants or don't.

The issue, IMHO is contraception (of which abstinence is) not abortion. I still don't understand why, with the medical knowledge and technology we have, abortion is an issue at all. Pregnancies don't have to happen. It is no longer an inevitable outcome of sex.

I'm living in the wrong universe.

838 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:34:23pm

re: #818 Killian Bundy

In fact, has anyone on this thread typed the word iceweasel besides ShanghaiEd?

Registered since: May 3, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Registered since: May 3, 2009 at 9:04 pm

/because that just happens to be the correct sock answer

Killian, I'm tired of this B.S. It's my understanding that Charles and Stinky frown on socks. If you know of one, please report it and it'll be dealt with. I don't appreciate being jabbed at over nothing.

If I'm still on the board after your sock report, an apology would be nice. But after this point I'm going to ignore your creepy jabs.

839 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:34:36pm

re: #834 Gus 802

Aren't those great? I haven't been down there in years but when I first went it gave me that feeling that I sort of lost over the years. Sort of like when I went from New Jersey to Colorado when I was a teen. I was in awe at the natural beauty.

All I ever saw in Colorado were those yellow Aspen leaves and I was not real impressed with them as far as fall color goes.

840 Catttt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:34:48pm

I've been trying to count how many times Adam Lambert grabs his crotch during Whole Lotta Love at the concerts (already on youtube), but I keep getting distracted by the bumping and grinding and that thing he does with the mike stand and losing count.

841 swamprat  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:34:58pm

re: #835 swamprat

Iceweasel and ShanghaiEd... both registered at the EXACT same time. Different Karma percentages, different link ratios.

Both leftwing. Both non-USA.(Canadian? Aussie? New Zealand?)

842 jaunte  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:35:13pm

re: #833 albusteve

I've been up there; it's a very cool spot. Walking along trails bordered in limestone in which you can see frozen ancient marine creatures, while looking off across a desert vista, hundreds of miles to the west, is a rare experience.

843 avanti  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:35:32pm

re: #836 redstateredneck

Go ahead on! I live about a hunnerd miles north of N'awlins.

I LOVE N'awlins, what a party town. I have a friend that parties a bit too hard for the Maryland bar crowd, but she's a prude in that town.

844 altermite  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:35:45pm

re: #835 swamprat

Iceweasel and ShanghaiEd... both registered at the same time. Different Karma percentages, different link ratios.

Its not like restriction times aren't limited by windows, after all. Which would cause a lot of accounts with close creation times.

Charles seems to have no trouble catching the socks on his own. It'd be nice if Bundy would drop this spanish inquisition, but I don't expect he will.

845 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:35:49pm

re: #835 swamprat

Iceweasel and ShanghaiEd... both registered at the same time. Different Karma percentages, different link ratios.

They are not each others sock puppets. Good grief!

846 ggt  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:35:50pm

re: #818 Killian Bundy

In fact, has anyone on this thread typed the word iceweasel besides ShanghaiEd?

Registered since: May 3, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Registered since: May 3, 2009 at 9:04 pm

/because that just happens to be the correct sock answer

Wait? What happened today?

847 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 10, 2009 10:36:01pm

re: #827 CommonCents

Dude. The fall picture is the orange leaves is IT.

Here is a view from the "Oh my god" road, which is a dirt road between Idaho Springs Colorado and Russell Gulch Colorado (a mining ghost town). It's about 20 mile from here, nice ride, I'll take you on it if any Lizard is ever in town, you'll piss in your pants, dirt, no rails... let's do it in the winter.

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