Texas Gets Another Creationist School Board Leader

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Sure enough, just like clockwork, Governor Rick Perry (R-Texas) has appointed yet another activist religious fanatic to head the State Board of Education. The rumor going around was that he’d pick Cynthia Dunbar, who considers public education a “subtly deceptive tool of perversion,” but apparently that was a little much even for Perry to swallow.

So instead Gail Lowe will be the woman in charge of overseeing the education of Texas children — a Republican who recently appointed extreme right-wing theocratic preacher David Barton as an “expert reviewer” of the state’s social studies curriculum.

“There was a lot of speculation that it would be Dunbar, but personally I found it very hard to imagine the governor would appoint somebody who has been so vocal about her hatred for public schools,” said Dan Quinn of the Texas Freedom Network.

The group issued a statement Friday morning condemning Lowe’s appointment. “Gail Lowe is hardly an improvement,” Quinn said, pointing to her recent appointment of conservative minister David Barton of Aledo as an expert reviewer of the social studies curriculum.

“The Barton thing just jumps out at me as an indication of where we go from here,” Quinn said. “It’s clear that the direction of the board is not going to change.”

Other groups praised the appointment. “Gail Lowe is a strong conservative, representing Texas values, and has long been a leader in the field of education,” the Free Market Foundation said in a news release. “We hope that the usual critics will rise above their religious discrimination of the past and allow Mrs. Lowe to focus on the important educational issues of our state.”

David Barton heads the fundamentalist organization Wallbuilders, and is opposed to the separation of church and state. In 1991, he twice attended and spoke at meetings of front groups for the white supremacist “Christian Identity” movement, then claimed he was unaware he was speaking to neo-Nazis.

And now he’s influencing the social studies curriculum in Texas. Lovely! As any Texan will tell you, the state is enormous — and that means the textbook market is so huge that books recommended for public schools in Texas often influence publisher’s choices of which books they produce and sell to the rest of the country. So in a very real sense, Barton’s influence on education goes beyond Texas.

Barton isn’t the only extremist on the social studies panel, either; he has a partner in theocracy, Peter Marshall (no, not the “Hollywood Squares” guy), and together they’re already pushing the agenda: Gail Lowe, Politics and Social Studies:

It didn’t take long. Gail Lowe is already showing why the Texas Freedom Network is concerned about Gov. Rick Perry’s appointment of her as chair of the Texas State Board of Education.

Lowe appointed David Barton — head of WallBuilders, a far-right organization that opposes separation of church and state — to a panel of so-called “experts” helping guide the revision of social studies curriculum standards. Barton has already joined with a fellow “expert” on the panel, far-right evangelical minister Peter Marshall, in calling for the removal of progressive historical figures like César Chavez and former U.S. Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall from the standards. (Never mind that Barton and Peter Marshall are absurdly unqualified to be considered social studies “experts.”)

The Texas Freedom Network has more details on the efforts by Lowe and previous Perry appointee Don McLeroy to pack the social studies review panel with creationists and far right ideologues: A Look at the Texas Social Studies ‘Experts’.

UPDATE at 7/12/09 1:15:40 pm:

Note that Gail Lowe will not have to face a confirmation hearing until the 2011 legislative session, unless there is a special session before then. So she’s in charge for at least two years by fiat.

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332 comments
1 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:05:42pm

The governor of the state of Texas is an idiot.

2 rightside  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:06:30pm

Doink.

3 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:08:43pm

Perhaps I should recuse myself from this one. My traitorous brother Judas (married to my ex-wife Jezebel, aka Jabba the Slutt) is publicly associated with one of the mentioned evangelists and his barking mad crusade against public education.

4 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:09:07pm
David Barton heads the fundamentalist organization Wallbuilders, and is opposed to the separation of church and state. In 1991, he twice attended and spoke at meetings of front groups for the white supremacist “Christian Identity” movement.

And now he’s influencing the social studies curriculum in Texas. Lovely!


Yikes!

5 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:10:36pm

Wonderful- theocrats pushing the “Christian Nation” meme. And we wonder where civics has gone. Civics is the education cure for this revisionism.

6 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:10:42pm

I’m assuming that this appointment, like it’s predecessors, will require approval by the state legislature. If so, it’s time to make your voices heard on this matter.

As Charles rightly points out, Texas textbook selection has a strong tendency to become national textbook selection. And curricula work the same way. Once something gets adopted in Texas, it’s probability of adoption in other states skyrockets.

7 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:11:25pm

Interesting. An organization that calls itself “WallBuilders” seeks to destroy a constitutional wall of separation.

Big “C” Creationists have put more wear and tear on my irony-meter in the last couple of years than any other group. I should send them my repair bills.

8 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:11:43pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Wonderful- theocrats pushing the “Christian Nation” meme. And we wonder where civics has gone. Civics is the education cure for this revisionism.

Don’t worry. Once they’re done with biology classes, the fundies will fix the civics curriculum as well.
/

9 hazzyday  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:12:10pm

Textbooks should just be printed from wiki pages now. Approved by a national board of reviewers. There’s zero reason to bother with Texas school book. Get a $100 HP printer. Print a wiki page. Or buy everyone a kindle.

10 Trapgun  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:12:17pm

The governor makes Barbara Boxer look like a genius.

11 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:12:26pm

re: #3 Shiplord Kirel

Perhaps I should recuse myself from this one. My traitorous brother Judas (married to my ex-wife Jezebel, aka Jabba the Slutt) is publicly associated with one of the mentioned evangelists and his barking mad crusade against public education.

I’ll bet you family reunions are a blast.

12 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:13:20pm

re: #6 SixDegrees

I’m assuming that this appointment, like it’s predecessors, will require approval by the state legislature. If so, it’s time to make your voices heard on this matter.

She won’t have to face the confirmation process until 2011: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

13 Trapgun  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:14:01pm

Wasn’t it Mark Twain who said, “First the Lord made idiots. That was for practice. Then He made school boards.”

14 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:14:52pm

re: #12 Charles
So she gets to run amok for a year and a half! That could be very, very bad. Texas and California set the textbook standards for the rest of the country.

15 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:15:31pm

re: #12 Charles

She won’t have to face the confirmation process until 2011: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

It’s not like they will be listening anyway. Trust me, not one of them wants the anti-christian tag hung on them. Sad but true in these here parts.

16 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:15:41pm

re: #8 SixDegrees

Don’t worry. Once they’re done with biology classes, the fundies will fix the civics curriculum as well.
/

I thought that was the point- they already are “fixing” it. Civics is gone, now replaced by “social studies” and maybe a class on government. But those aren’t the same things. Hell- American History classes are already a joke. The creationists are already targeting the Founders and the Birth of this Nation for revisionism- I’ve seen it here at LGF. They’re already passing around frauds as facts about our Founders! This outrages me. Maybe even more than the BS with biology. Don’t tell me Benjamin Franklin was looking to establish a “Christian Nation”. It’s a lie and an outrage.

17 shortshrift  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:18:04pm

So how do you avoid states or local school districts from putting in religious or political fanatics of any stripe? Federalize education? Democratic choice can still lead to education being used nationally as propaganda or indoctrination. Dismantle public education? Could still have private institutions peddling rot.
Supreme Court rulings on what is acceptable curricula? Open to same possibilities of abuse. This is a toughie.

18 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:18:08pm

re: #16 Sharmuta
That is sadly true. History is a joke and civics has gone the way of the dodo.

19 Jack Burton  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:19:54pm

re: #16 Sharmuta

Don’t tell me Benjamin Franklin was looking to establish a “Christian Nation”. It’s a lie and an outrage.

Sleeping around with dozens of French hookers doesn’t sound like the activities of someone who wants a Christian theocracy.

20 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:22:01pm

If you put a gun to my head and forced me to make a choice, I think I would prefer to have a pro-lifer or even a creationist over someone who wants to establish a “Planetary Regime” police force.

/Phelps or PETA?

21 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:23:10pm

re: #20 Alouette
WTF is planetary regime? Is that a new obambi idea?

22 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:25:14pm

they should ask her if there were dinosaurs roaming the planet 6000 years ago …

23 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:25:56pm

re: #22 _RememberTonyC
Well of course there were…don’t you watch the Flinstones! ///

24 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:26:12pm

OT: Drugged children forced to dig tunnels in Gaza….
Children in Gaza’s blockade-busting tunnels

Anwar, 15, can’t read or write, but says he’s good at tunnel work. He needs a new job as Israeli planes bombed his workplace, one of hundreds of smuggling tunnels on Gaza’s border with Egypt.

His rough voice and tough looks belie his young age, but his small, wiry body is what makes him a perfect candidate for the job.

And, like thousands of other children in the impoverished and war-shattered Gaza Strip, his family badly needs the money. The job is comparatively lucrative, with children getting up to 30 dollars for a 12-hour shift.

“I have six brothers. I’m the breadwinner for the family,” says Anwar.

He says he doesn’t mind not getting an education.

“School is useless.”

Asked about the Israeli offensive that killed more than 1,400 Palestinians and devastated Gaza, Anwar shrugs. “The worst thing about the war is that I spent all my savings from working the tunnels.”
….
Tunnel work is both dangerous and exhausting.

“I was in the middle of the tunnel. Egypt put some gas in. Three workers died, 18 were treated for suffocation,” says 14-year-old Osama.

“I decided not to go again, but my father died so I was forced to go back for about one month,” says Osama, who is spending much of the summer school holiday at a youth centre financed by the UN children’s agency UNICEF.

His 15-year-old friend Mohammed is adamant: “I won’t go back to the tunnels, it’s horrible in there.”

Hujaier says most of the children who work in the tunnels use Tramadol — also known as Tramal — a painkiller said to produce a mild high and to relieve anxiety.

For the families, he says there is no alternative to the child labour, they desperately need the money.

“When we tell parents ‘he’s just a kid and needs to enjoy his childhood’ they look at us like we come from the moon, they make us feel like we’re not being realistic.”

25 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:27:13pm

they have an excellent strategy…wear down the people, repeat their twisted message over and over…sooner or later some state will go to sleep on this thing and there will be a toe hold…a few more chinks and cracks and the first thing you know the walls are breached…I don’t think they will stop…they will infiltrate the legislature and get the votes…an insidious breakdown of separation of church and state…secularism is dying, at least in the GOP

26 acwgusa  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:27:16pm

Charles, a quick LGF functionality with Firefox 3.5 question. I have Accept Cookies from Sites turned off, but with exceptions set for security purposes, but I have found that LGF gives me a “You must enable cookies to log in” error. Is this a LGF design function, or am I setting something wrong in Firefox?

27 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:27:25pm

I get very passionate about the Founders. I’ve studied them for a long time now, and for me- to say something so untrue like they established a “Christian Nation” just makes me see red. They were looking to establish something far more difficult and exceptional- freedom of conscience.

It’s a belittlement of these mens’ accomplishments to take this exceptional idea and distort it, lie about it, and fail to teach its importance. The very fruits of their labors are trashed and replaced with lies. It’s an insult to their memories.

28 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:27:40pm

re: #23 pingjockey

Well of course there were…don’t you watch the Flinstones! ///


now you’ve done it … I’m hungry for a Bronto Burger

29 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:28:09pm

re: #21 pingjockey

WTF is planetary regime? Is that a new obambi idea?

The usual suspect:
Gore: U.S. Climate Bill Will Help Bring About ‘Global Governance’

30 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:28:15pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Yikes!

I couldn’t have said that better myself.

A few years ago we have some districts wanting to put condoms on cucumbers now we have some wanting to ‘teach science’ by teaching non-science a la the earth is 6,000 years old.

31 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:28:16pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Wonderful- theocrats pushing the “Christian Nation” meme. And we wonder where civics has gone. Civics is the education cure for this revisionism.

Civics was wonded and left bleeding by the “Billy Has Two Mommies”/self-esteem lions of the left, and the corpse is being picked over by the wack-job theocratic jackals of the right.

It’s a Circle of Life kind of thing.

32 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:28:46pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Holy shit.

33 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:29:17pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

I guess those kids are victims of creationism myths, too..just palestinian ones.

They probably tell the younger ones they are digging to find the grave of the Palestinain Propaganda Bunny

34 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:29:33pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout
I’m sorry my heart doesn’t bleed for the animals who’ve turned Gaza into a hell hole.
Did you see the ultra orthodox Jews fighting the cops because someone opened a parking lot on the Sabbath? I need to read up on Sabbath rules. I new you weren’t supposed to cook or work. Didn’t know that driving a car was also supposed to be right out!

35 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:29:44pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

well the IDF didn’t listen to me last winter…if they had this would not even be a story….ignoring the tunnels in the south was a huge strategic mistake imo

36 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:30:13pm

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel

No controlling legal ‘Global Governance’

37 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:30:41pm

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel
I wish he’d just go far, far away and never come back. Like Amelia Earhart.

38 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:30:48pm

re: #27 Sharmuta

A fitting quote;;

On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind.”

Thomas Jefferson

39 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:31:08pm

re: #30 BigPapa

Well, you know how promiscuous those cucumbers are!

40 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:31:14pm

re: #27 Sharmuta
You are on point again today ma’am!

41 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:31:46pm

re: #35 albusteve

They had a great parking lot at the greenhouses..but well, ya know….they are the worlds most experienced victims.

42 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:32:31pm

re: #28 _RememberTonyC
I always liked the size of the side of ribs Fred was getting at the drive in!

43 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:32:37pm

re: #31 OldLineTexan

Civics was wonded and left bleeding by the “Billy Has Two Mommies”/self-esteem …

Self esteem cannot be taught, it can only be earned. That’s Mod Def Logic to think it can be taught.

44 Steve Rogers  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:32:57pm

What so many Republicans don’t understand is that advocating pseudoscience (such as “creationism”) to blindly stay within the framework of an ideology is a losing proposition now and in the long run. Anyone doing such things eventually loses not just credibility in matters of science, but in ideology as well. For example, no one takes ANYTHING serious from anyone who advocates a flat earth. Likewise, those who deny evolution in spite of the mountains of evidence that show it to be a fact are slowly but surely going down the same failed path of the flat-earthers.

Republicans are sowing the seeds of their own destruction by stubbornly clinging to ideology over science.

45 Big Steve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:33:22pm

Gail Lowe is a newspaper publisher. How are we going to pretzel ourselves around thinking that the press is all tanking liberals and at the same time be suspicious of her is a died in the wool religious nut out to ruin our children?

46 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:33:44pm

re: #41 quiet man

They had a great parking lot at the greenhouses..but well, ya know….they are the worlds most experienced victims.

what fools…they wanted to wait and see how BO was going to treat them…well now they know and the tunnels are still there…Israel is it’s own worst enemy

47 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:33:53pm

re: #44 Steve Rogers

Well Put!

48 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:34:00pm

re: #44 Steve Rogers

Only a small portion of them do that..we have our far right fringe and that is where they abide.

49 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:34:59pm

re: #45 Big Steve
Oh no. The press isn’t all liberals just most. I swear, reporting just who what when where and why is a lost art in journalism.

50 jvic  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:35:01pm

1. Dept. of What Else is New: Between creationists and teachers’ unions (and negligent parents and litigious parents), public schools are in trouble.

2. In the teeth of demographic trends in Texas and the overall country, Perry is associating his party with white supremacists? I’m no fan of George Bush, but he knew better. I keep wondering when the GOP will pull out of the downward spiral. So far there’s no sign.

51 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:35:40pm
David Barton heads the fundamentalist organization Wallbuilders, and is opposed to the separation of church and state. In 1991, he twice attended and spoke at meetings of front groups for the white supremacist “Christian Identity” movement.

And it’s just lovely that it’s Christian nazis pushing this stuff. Really…. just great.

I hope a third party is formed- all the weirdos can flock to it and leave the thinking people in charge.

52 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:35:51pm

re: #44 Steve Rogers

What so many Republicans don’t understand is that advocating pseudoscience (such as “creationism”) to blindly stay within the framework of an ideology is a losing proposition now and in the long run. Anyone doing such things eventually loses not just credibility in matters of science, but in ideology as well. For example, no one takes ANYTHING serious from anyone who advocates a flat earth. Likewise, those who deny evolution in spite of the mountains of evidence that show it to be a fact are slowly but surely going down the same failed path of the flat-earthers.

Republicans are sowing the seeds of their own destruction by stubbornly clinging to ideology over science.

the tent is too big…principle is compromised

53 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:35:56pm

re: #45 Big Steve

Gail Lowe is a newspaper publisher. How are we going to pretzel ourselves around thinking that the press is all tanking liberals and at the same time be suspicious of her is a died in the wool religious nut out to ruin our children?

What paper?

54 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:36:40pm

re: #50 jvic

I think smart leaders like Sarah Palin will pull us out…we still have our share of gutless, ass kissing wonders and worse, rinos that need to form a third party…the 3 stooge party

55 Big Steve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:36:44pm

Honest to God…..Gail Lowe’s paper is headlining the “Ho” festival today….Lampass Dispatch

56 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:36:57pm

re: #51 Sharmuta
We should be so lucky. Get all the nutbars from left and right in one looney tune tent.

57 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:37:43pm

re: #21 pingjockey

WTF is planetary regime? Is that a new obambi idea?

Obama’s new “Science czar” came up with the idea

58 eon  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:37:50pm

re: #8 SixDegrees

Don’t worry. Once they’re done with biology classes, the fundies will fix the civics curriculum as well.
/

Actually, it’s been “fixed” at least as thoroughly as they would no doubt love to, just in the opposite direction.

The Civics curriculum was hijacked by the “progressives” in the NEA in the 1970s (when I was in high school), and since then has degenerated into a mishmash of identity politics, historical revisionism, and multicultural dogmas heavily laced with the usual “I’m OK, You’re A Piece Of Crap Menace To (Fill In The Blank)” ad hominem attacks so beloved of the “intellectual” crowd in academia today.

One of the reasons this sort of thing (putting YECkies and IDiots in charge) has gained traction is the fact that, thanks to the so-called “rationalists” of the progressive side and their social agenda, our schools are a nationwide disaster area and everybody knows it. Especially the parents, who are for the most part tired of being told “pay your taxes to support us, and otherwise shut the H**l up” by their local (NEA-dominated) school administrations.

One of the most basic principles of “social activism” is “what goes around, comes around”. If the left hadn’t been so successful at turning our public schools into “progressive” agitprop/indoctrination centers for the last three decades or so, this sort of thing wouldn’t have the legs it does now. I can personally understand the frustration and, frankly, anger, that many people feel toward the “educators” who have been playing racquetball with their kids’ minds for the last thirty-odd years. But the idea that they would elect a governor who wants to do essentially the same thing except on the other extreme frankly scares the H**l out of me.

Although I have to give Texas’ witless fool of a Governor some credit; by pointing his most recent appointees to the Board at the “social agenda” as taught in the public schools today, he has found an issue sure to raise the ire of and garner support from his base, and possibly others as well. (As you can discern from the previous paragraphs, it irritates me, and I’m not even a conservative.)

One of the most basic principles of demagoguery in government is “ If your opponents are stupid enough to offer you a target rich environment, attack them at that point”. At the very least, you could end up looking a bit smarter and more rational than they are, even or especially if you really are just the “opposite side of the same coin”.

I don’t give Perry credit for actual rational thought, but I have to acknowledge that he possesses a certain low animal cunning.

What I’m sure of is that whatever happens here, and however it affects schooling in the rest of the U.S., the children will be the real losers.

/rant mode off

cheers

eon

59 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:38:16pm

re: #55 Big Steve

Those girls do not look nappy headed..maybe that was the real insult..their hair.

60 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:38:40pm

re: #57 Alouette
How many fucking czars has the one appointed who don’t answer to anyone but him?

61 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:38:48pm

re: #49 pingjockey

I think “journalism” has been largely biased since the first crude painting of an elk on a cave wall.

62 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:39:13pm

re: #55 Big Steve

Honest to God…..Gail Lowe’s paper is headlining the “Ho” festival today….Lampass Dispatch

Lampasas is a town of 7,000.

I don’t think she makes the MSM “cut” with the equivalent of the Hooterville Post.

I wonder if the Ho festival wasn’t named before rappers and Chi Minh …

/partial

63 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:39:53pm

re: #51 Sharmuta

And it’s just lovely that it’s Christian nazis pushing this stuff. Really…. just great.

I hope a third party is formed- all the weirdos can flock to it and leave the thinking people in charge.

who’s to say that tradition cannot take a new path?…a third party with millions of like minded people…not voting against the worst of two evils, but with a sure conviction of exactly what they stand for…a cut down lean, mean voting machine….fiscal responsibility and strict adherence to the Constitution….period…I’m in

64 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:40:27pm

re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh. My HS journalism teacher pounded into our heads…just the facts.

65 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:40:44pm

re: #63 albusteve
Me too, but it sounds like what they would tell us before they were elected only to find ourselves Obama’d again

66 Big Steve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:41:21pm

re: #62 OldLineTexan

Lampasas is a town of 7,000.

I don’t think she makes the MSM “cut” with the equivalent of the Hooterville Post.

I wonder if the Ho festival wasn’t named before rappers and Chi Minh …

/partial

I wonder how far out in West Texas one has to get to not have a clue about calling the Spring Ho winner and not causing them substantial grief!

67 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:41:33pm

re: #58 eon

A Bingo moment.

68 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:41:50pm

re: #65 quiet man

Me too, but it sounds like what they would tell us before they were elected only to find ourselves Obama’d again

a vote is like a knife at your throat if people will wield it

69 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:41:59pm

re: #60 pingjockey

How many fucking czars has the one appointed who don’t answer to anyone but him?

What the hell did my ancestors leave Russia for? At least there they had only one czar.

70 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:42:03pm

re: #64 pingjockey

wow an honest person at a journalism school? Remember the story about how most journalism grads wanted to change the world?

71 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:42:17pm

re: #66 Big Steve

I wonder how far out in West Texas one has to get to not have a clue about calling the Spring Ho winner and not causing them substantial grief!

Heh. They should hire a teenager with a TV to clue them in.

72 Big Steve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:43:32pm

By the way, I having fun with the Gail Lowe appointment because I have met her several times and worked on a committee with her. I found her to be engaging and very much a consensus builder and not an ideologue in any way. I think she will do fine as the SBOE Chair.

73 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:43:53pm

re: #68 albusteve

Again, I agree a vote is our weapon…like in the Professional, the best killers were those who worked with a knife..close in, knowing their taget so well.

So long as the weapon is focused by the mind and not the emotions, I am right there with ya,.

74 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:44:24pm

re: #70 quiet man
It was high school, not college!

75 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:44:32pm

re: #64 pingjockey

Heh. My HS journalism teacher pounded into our heads…just the facts.

Sooo…. you were taking journalism classes prior to the advent of cave paintings? I know you’ve said before that you’re old, but geez.
////

76 Steve Rogers  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:45:16pm

re: #48 quiet man

Only a small portion of them do that..we have our far right fringe and that is where they abide.

Perhaps, perhaps not. But with polls showing 68% of Republicans rejecting evolution it is clearly a problem within the party. A political party should embrace science, not try to hammer a round ideology into a square hole of science. In the end, science will always win and those who did the pounding will be relegated to the dustbin of history.

77 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:45:24pm

Republican trainwreck.


Time to check out the Modern Whig Party.

“SOCIAL PROGRESSION — Government should refrain from legislating morality.”

(From the Whig Party homepage.)

78 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:45:33pm

re: #75 Slumbering Behemoth

Sooo…. you were taking journalism classes prior to the advent of cave paintings? I know you’ve said before that you’re old, but geez.
////

If you print lies on clay tablets, angry readers will bust them over your head!

/the advent of paper made journalism safer

79 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:45:44pm

re: #69 Alouette
I’d like to hear what some of our recent emigrants from eastern Europe think about all the marxist crap being pushed by the WH. Most of it is probably not printable.

80 rightside  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:46:01pm

We still remember you, Tony. Rest in peace.

81 Wendya  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:46:22pm

David Barton….. the loon who pimps the fake FF quotes endorsing a Christian government.


Just freaking great.

82 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:46:37pm

re: #75 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh. Not quite, but my deck seamanship quals were signed by a guy named Noah.

83 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:46:45pm

re: #77 Ojoe

Republican trainwreck.


Time to check out the Modern Whig Party.

“SOCIAL PROGRESSION — Government should refrain from legislating morality.”

(From the Whig Party homepage.)

We have a BIG problem with this name …

RINO - Republican in name only
DINO - Democrat in name only

… but WINO!

//

84 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:47:53pm

re: #73 quiet man

Again, I agree a vote is our weapon…like in the Professional, the best killers were those who worked with a knife..close in, knowing their taget so well.

So long as the weapon is focused by the mind and not the emotions, I am right there with ya,.

Aw man … I can’t use the Dark Side of the Force? Just a little?

/

85 eon  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:47:56pm

re: #21 pingjockey

WTF is planetary regime? Is that a new obambi idea?

Nope. AlGore From The Planet Eco;

Gore; US Climate Bill Will Help Bring About “Global Governance” (Linked via Drudge, as the direct linky no worky; third column, just under The One’s “Ben Stiller/Zoolander/ “Blue Steel Look” picture.)

Naturally, The One is all in favor.

/Of course, this is all just a wild conspiracy theory, you know.

//

cheers

eon

86 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:48:32pm

re: #76 Steve Rogers

I was never polled on that question. Also must one see the exact question they used…I am not for teaching creationism in schools, never have been,and my kids would laugh anyone who told them the world was 6000 years old right out of the room.

87 sngnsgt  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:48:44pm

OT

How did Hillary break her arm? Did Barry have some Chicago thug work her over to keep her in line?

88 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:49:05pm

re: #85 eon
Al Gore is a walking conspiracy. A conspiracy to insult our intelligence!

89 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:49:11pm

Later Lizards, chores are calling my name.

90 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:49:27pm

re: #84 OldLineTexan

My light sabre is this plastic wand that telescopes…so I think I am a victim of the dark side of the force..for 10 bucks, too!

91 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:49:31pm

And some folks want to scoff at me for thinking there is fascist infiltration going on in the right. There’s a nazi in Texas trying to influence social studies curricula, but don’t mind that.

92 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:49:35pm

re: #87 sngnsgt

OT

How did Hillary break her arm? Did Barry have some Chicago thug work her over to keep her in line?

That bastard Bill must’ve bought a flak jacket.

/

93 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:49:54pm

re: #87 sngnsgt

OT

How did Hillary break her arm? Did Barry have some Chicago thug work her over to keep her in line?

Obama ain’t the only one who likes lookin’ at ass….

94 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:49:55pm

re: #87 sngnsgt
Nah. She hurt her rotator cuff pitching lamps at Bill.

95 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:50:02pm

re: #87 sngnsgt

OT

How did Hillary break her arm? Did Barry have some Chicago thug work her over to keep her in line?

Randi Rhodes want to know too!

//

96 opnion  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:50:03pm

re: #79 pingjockey

I’d like to hear what some of our recent emigrants from eastern Europe think about all the marxist crap being pushed by the WH. Most of it is probably not printable.

The former Soviet Republics are trying to emulate American Diemocracy & free markets. At the same time it seems obvious to me that BHO is trying to create a European style Socialist State here.
If you recall his twenty minute victory speech on Super Tuesday, he used lots of thinly veiled Marxist rhetoric.

97 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:50:54pm

re: #93 SasquatchOnSteroids
she crossed tony soprano

98 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:50:58pm

re: #83 OldLineTexan

LOL! WINO!

How about a party called (it would have to have “kegs”)
“American Block Party”

? ABPINO ?

99 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:51:49pm

re: #96 opnion
Thinly veiled? I didn’t really think they veiled it all. Much like that Hillary line “we’re going to take stuff away from you for the common good” or some crap like that.

100 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:51:58pm

re: #94 pingjockey

Nah. She hurt her rotator cuff pitching lamps at Bill.

she must have a great arm. I’m willing to bet the two of them have’nt been in the same zip code, let alone the same room for MONTHS

101 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:52:52pm

re: #42 pingjockey

I always liked the size of the side of ribs Fred was getting at the drive in!


And the Betty vs Wilma thing was sort of a MaryAnn vs Ginger analogy

102 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:52:53pm

re: #100 sattv4u2
Heh. You are correct. Talk about a marriage of convience.

103 opnion  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:54:06pm

re: #99 pingjockey

Thinly veiled? I didn’t really think they veiled it all. Much like that Hillary line “we’re going to take stuff away from you for the common good” or some crap like that.

You can tell that Obama was very influenced by Marxists as a young man.
But my favorite all time Obama line was actually by Michelle, “Barack isn’t going to let you be the way you’ve been.”

104 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:54:13pm

re: #101 _RememberTonyC
I always liked Mary Ann better. Betty or Wilma, never crossed my mind. Now Mary Ann in her Daisy Dukes…yeah buddy!

105 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:55:48pm

re: #72 Big Steve

I found her to be engaging and very much a consensus builder and not an ideologue in any way. I think she will do fine as the SBOE Chair.

What is her view on evolution, creationism, or ID, and more importantly, what is her view on what children should (or should not) be taught about them?

106 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:56:22pm

re: #103 opnion

“Barack isn’t going to let you be the way you’ve been.”

Like hell he will.

107 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:56:41pm

From the front page of SFGate:
CIA concealment may have broken law
Sen. Feinstein suggests Bush administration broke the law by concealing a CIA counter-terrorism program from Congress; twin investigations may be on the horizon.

* Holder considering criminal probe of possible CIA torture
* Republicans resist interrogation investigation

108 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:57:04pm

re: #91 Sharmuta

And some folks want to scoff at me for thinking there is fascist infiltration going on in the right. There’s a nazi in Texas trying to influence social studies curricula, but don’t mind that.

and there is a commie POTUS cramming socialism down out throats….surrounded and outnumbered I think

109 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:57:11pm

re: #97 quiet man

she crossed tony soprano

And she walked away with a broken elbow.

/you should see the other guy !

110 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:57:22pm

re: #99 pingjockey

Thinly veiled? I didn’t really think they veiled it all. Much like that Hillary line “we’re going to take stuff away from you for the common good” or some crap like that.

“We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society.” [Hillary Clinton, 1993]


“We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans …” [President Bill Clinton, ‘USA Today’ March 11, 1993: Page 2A]

111 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:57:37pm

re: #103 opnion
Oh wow. Hadn’t heard that little gem. Those folks on the left would love to have a marxist set up. Since of course, they would be the elite driving in the special lanes, and shopping at the special stores reserved just for the all knowing, better than the great unwashed, elitists. I don’t trust any f them half as far as I could throw them. It isn’t about the country, it is about power to control. They don’t want to govern, they want to RULE.

112 opnion  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:57:48pm

re: #106 Ojoe

Like hell he will.

There was a lot of Big Brother Barack in her Statement.

113 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:57:57pm

re: #104 pingjockey

I always liked Mary Ann better. Betty or Wilma, never crossed my mind. Now Mary Ann in her Daisy Dukes…yeah buddy!

MaryAnn: low maintenance … just wanted to party.
Ginger: high maintenance …. just wanted to shop.
(Obvious choice)

114 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:58:29pm

re: #107 BigPapa

Ojoe suggests Senator Feinstein do 60 sit-ups, brush her teeth, and run 2.5 miles, and wash her car and do a load of laundry.

Snort.

115 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:59:00pm

re: #113 _RememberTonyC
No brainer. Now…Mary Ann or Genie?

116 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:59:45pm

re: #110 sattv4u2
Goddamn marxist bastards all.

117 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 1:59:58pm

re: #115 pingjockey

No brainer. Now…Mary Ann or Genie?


any hot chick who wants to call me “Master” is on the right track!

118 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:00:01pm

re: #107 BigPapa

From the front page of SFGate:
CIA concealment may have broken law
Sen. Feinstein suggests Bush administration broke the law by concealing a CIA counter-terrorism program from Congress; twin investigations may be on the horizon.

* Holder considering criminal probe of possible CIA torture
* Republicans resist interrogation investigation

From the woman who’s mouth can’t conceal much at all.
Beautiful.

119 opnion  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:00:36pm

re: #111 pingjockey

Oh wow. Hadn’t heard that little gem. Those folks on the left would love to have a marxist set up. Since of course, they would be the elite driving in the special lanes, and shopping at the special stores reserved just for the all knowing, better than the great unwashed, elitists. I don’t trust any f them half as far as I could throw them. It isn’t about the country, it is about power to control. They don’t want to govern, they want to RULE.

I don’t think that the Obamas have much if any allegiance to America as is, but to what thy intend to create.

120 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:01:04pm

re: #115 pingjockey

No brainer. Now…Mary Ann or Genie?

Why not both?

121 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:01:09pm

re: #117 _RememberTonyC
Yep. Not to mention that little outfit Barbara Eden wore was hot!

122 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:01:35pm

re: #120 poteen
Don’t be greedy. :)

123 Macker  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:01:36pm

re: #116 pingjockey

Goddamn marxist bastards all.

10,000 updings!

124 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:01:39pm

re: #116 pingjockey

Goddamn marxist bastards all.

I have a better one. When there was going to be an investigation re: travelgate

“I’m not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president.” [Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents ]

125 eon  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:02:03pm

re: #115 pingjockey

No brainer. Now…Mary Ann or Genie?

Jeannie. Hands down. Among other things, she could get you off that frickin’ island in one blink.

Besides, she had a lot more interesting conversation, from the standpoint of a history nut like me.

/And yes, I thought she was cuter, too.

Have to run. Dinner has to be started.

cheers

eon

126 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:02:28pm

re: #125 eon
Later!

127 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:02:55pm

re: #121 pingjockey

Yep. Not to mention that little outfit Barbara Eden wore was hot!


She stood the test of time. Even into her 50’s she was beautiful.

128 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:03:11pm

re: #105 BigPapa

What is her view on evolution, creationism, or ID, and more importantly, what is her view on what children should (or should not) be taught about them?

Lowe is an outspoken creationist who is trying to get it into public schools: SBOE Members and Their Positions on Science Education:

Gail Lowe - District 14

Gail Lowe (Lampasas) is a Republican and has been a member of the SBOE since 2003. She may run for re-election in 2012.

Bio and Contact Information at SBOE site.

She voted for reintroducing the “strengths and weaknesses” in the 2009 standards.

She co-nominated Charles Garner, anti-evolutionist and chemistry professor, to the state science curriculum expert review panel in October, 2008.

In 2002 she Strongly Favored this position on Creationism: “Present scientific evidence supporting intelligent design, and not just evolution, and treat both theories as viable ones on the origin of life.”

In 2008 she Strongly Favored this position on “Evolution Weaknesses”: “Biology textbooks which do not teach both the scientific strengths and weaknesses of the theory of evolution must be rejected by the board.”

129 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:03:17pm

re: #122 pingjockey

Don’t be greedy. :)

/Not greedy. Progressive?

130 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:03:24pm

re: #124 sattv4u2
Ya know that is never gonna happen. Too bad. I’d pay real money to see the Beast doing the perp walk.

131 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:03:45pm

re: #125 eon

Jeannie. Hands down. Among other things, she could get you off that frickin’ island in one blink.

Besides, she had a lot more interesting conversation, from the standpoint of a history nut like me.

/And yes, I thought she was cuter, too.

Have to run. Dinner has to be started.

cheers

eon

Samantha from Bewitched was also nice

132 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:04:03pm

re: #129 poteen
Heh.

133 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:05:05pm

re: #128 Charles

A question. Have they had any success changing curriculum yet. For all their effort?

134 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:05:15pm

re: #121 pingjockey

Yep. Not to mention that little outfit Barbara Eden wore was hot!

She was sexy as hell.
Oh,yeah.

135 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:05:21pm

OT, NASA is going to try and launch the shuttle tonight. Lots of lightening in the area yesterday.

136 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:06:24pm

re: #16 Sharmuta

I thought that was the point- they already are “fixing” it. Civics is gone, now replaced by “social studies” and maybe a class on government. But those aren’t the same things. Hell- American History classes are already a joke. The creationists are already targeting the Founders and the Birth of this Nation for revisionism- I’ve seen it here at LGF. They’re already passing around frauds as facts about our Founders! This outrages me. Maybe even more than the BS with biology. Don’t tell me Benjamin Franklin was looking to establish a “Christian Nation”. It’s a lie and an outrage.

Hear, hear.

137 sngnsgt  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:06:54pm

re: #92 OldLineTexan

That bastard Bill must’ve bought a flak jacket.

/

I bet Slick told Barry not to rub her out yet because her life insurance policy hadn’t matured yet. /

138 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:07:41pm

In the first quote in Charles’ post, the Free Market Foundation hopes opponents will rise above “religious discrimination”.

LOL! That earns a *rimshot* !
What happened to the line about I.D. having nothing to do with religion?

/stupid idiots!

139 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:07:46pm

re: #137 sngnsgt

I bet Slick told Barry not to rub her out yet because her life insurance policy hadn’t matured yet. /

neither has Bill or Barry, imho!

140 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:08:37pm

re: #121 pingjockey

Yep. Not to mention that little outfit Barbara Eden wore was hot!

I met her in 1972 . Smokin’ hot. All I dreamt about for a week.

141 Wendya  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:09:15pm

re: #91 Sharmuta

And some folks want to scoff at me for thinking there is fascist infiltration going on in the right. There’s a nazi in Texas trying to influence social studies curricula, but don’t mind that.

Words like fascism and nazi have specific meanings. When you throw them out as a pejorative at any group you don’t like, the meaning is diluted.

142 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:09:30pm

re: #140 poteen
Now that I can believe. She was a damn good looking woman.

143 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:11:32pm

re: #141 Wendya
Umm David Barton spoke at a Neo Nazi meeting.

144 Wendya  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:13:32pm

re: #103 opnion

You can tell that Obama was very influenced by Marxists as a young man.
But my favorite all time Obama line was actually by Michelle, “Barack isn’t going to let you be the way you’ve been.”

Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.

145 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:13:48pm

re: #138 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In the first quote in Charles’ post, the Free Market Foundation hopes opponents will rise above “religious discrimination”.

LOL! That earns a *rimshot* !
What happened to the line about I.D. having nothing to do with religion?

/stupid idiots!

The Free Market Foundation would have been better off describing the “usual critics” as … attempting to hang religious significance on I.D. and the statements of its proponents.

Instead, its press release opened the barn door and paraded the cow out.

/fools!

146 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:14:33pm

re: #143 pingjockey

Umm David Barton spoke at a Neo Nazi meeting.

and that makes him one automatically? Don’t get me wrong. him speaking at one is disgusting! And I will not accept an excuse from ANY speaker that they were unaware what the group they were speaking to was!

However, to call someone a nazi (or racist, or fascist, etc) because of being at A place at any given time is scant evidence

147 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:14:35pm

re: #133 poteen

A question. Have they had any success changing curriculum yet. For all their effort?

nobody seems to have a specific answer….I would guess no, not yet

148 Annar  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:15:01pm

Now I understand why I always rooted for Santa Ana in that Alamo film. Texistan is rapidly becoming headquarters for the wackiest and most feeble minded versions of christian cultism. Let’s just hope it can be contained.

149 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:15:10pm

re: #144 Wendya

What an arrogant statement. Who do they think they are?

150 soxfan4life  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:15:26pm

Mark Sanford and Rick Perry, why did you have to resign Sarah Palin? It’s dark days ahead for the GOP.

151 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:15:32pm

re: #144 Wendya
Well, that lets out the vast majority of uniformed asshats that voted to turn this country into a broke, socialist welfare state.

152 dmandman  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:16:01pm

re: #149 Ojoe

They think he is God incarnate….that’s all.

153 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:16:01pm

re: #146 sattv4u2
Maybe not. But once is too many.

154 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:17:30pm
155 Mithrax  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:17:35pm

Forgive the OT:

Could those lizards so inclined pray for Baby Mya? She’s a 6 month old parishioner of mine who’s been rushed to Sick Kids Hospital In Toronto. They suspect that it’s complications from the open heart surgery she had a few weeks ago, but they’re not sure.

Thanks.

156 Wendya  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:17:54pm

re: #143 pingjockey

Umm David Barton spoke at a Neo Nazi meeting.

Barton will speak to any group that endorses Christianity in government, including white supremacists. Again, Nazism is more than just hating Jews or Blacks.

157 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:18:36pm

re: #134 SasquatchOnSteroids

She was sexy as hell.
Oh,yeah.

met Joey Heatherton at the Aspen Arts Fair one year…she came over and photographed us hippie craftspeople…sat under our parachute in the shad, had lunch with us etc….she came by everyday for an hour or more…drop dead gorgeous, and such a sweetheart…we didn’t care who she was and she really liked that about us…she wore alot of really fine silver Indian jewelery

158 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:19:15pm

re: #156 Wendya

Ahh. Thanks.

159 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:19:23pm

re: #148 Annar

Now I understand why I always rooted for Santa Ana in that Alamo film. Texistan is rapidly becoming headquarters for the wackiest and most feeble minded versions of christian cultism. Let’s just hope it can be contained.

don’t diss the Alamo….that’s a bad thing

160 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:19:52pm

re: #155 Mithrax

Done & will do.

161 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:21:05pm

re: #155 Mithrax
Thoughts and prayers to that baby and her family.

162 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:22:16pm

re: #147 albusteve

nobody seems to have a specific answer….I would guess no, not yet

I only wonder in that Perry may be paying back a political debt. ( most probably)
If the rest of the board isn’t stacked that way there may be little she can do.

163 eneri  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:22:24pm

I am so ashamed for my state. We really need help; not a mad woman in charge of the inmates. A couple of weeks ago there was an argument in the local paper about which came first, the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.

164 sngnsgt  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:23:16pm

re: #155 Mithrax

Will dedicate Sunday night mass for her and family tonight.

165 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:24:12pm

re: #162 poteen

I only wonder in that Perry may be paying back a political debt. ( most probably)
If the rest of the board isn’t stacked that way there may be little she can do.

it’s the relentless aspect of it…they will not take no for an answer, but I don’t think much will come of it, even if she were voted in, which seems doubtful

166 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:24:33pm

re: #163 eneri

Welcome!

167 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:24:46pm

re: #163 eneri
What? I am sorry. That is terrible.

168 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:25:11pm

re: #163 eneri

I am so ashamed for my state. We really need help; not a mad woman in charge of the inmates. A couple of weeks ago there was an argument in the local paper about which came first, the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.

Thats BAD. Of course here in CA I had to teach my daughters 5th grade teacher how to spell at a 5th grade level 15 years ago.

169 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:25:26pm
170 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:25:37pm

re: #165 albusteve
Charles said up thread she doesn’t have to be confirmed until 2011!

171 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:25:50pm

re: #163 eneri

I am so ashamed for my state. We really need help; not a mad woman in charge of the inmates. A couple of weeks ago there was an argument in the local paper about which came first, the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.

how can they argue about that?….it’s simple fact….me thinks someone is jesting

172 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:25:52pm

re: #155 Mithrax

Forgive the OT:

Could those lizards so inclined pray for Baby Mya? She’s a 6 month old parishioner of mine who’s been rushed to Sick Kids Hospital In Toronto. They suspect that it’s complications from the open heart surgery she had a few weeks ago, but they’re not sure.

Thanks.

Just got off the phone with the [pastor at our church. Tonights 6 p.m. Mass will be said for her!

173 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:26:44pm

Comments complaining about this topic will be deleted.

174 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:26:51pm

OMG, an ice cream truck is driving past my house.

I have never ever seen one drive through this neighborhood.

Are you freakin’ kidding me ?

BRB.

ICE CREEEEEAAAAAAMMMMM!

175 jvic  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:27:29pm

re: #54 quiet man

I think smart leaders like Sarah Palin will pull us out…we still have our share of gutless, ass kissing wonders and worse, rinos that need to form a third party…the 3 stooge party

Thanks for the response. Can’t follow you on Palin, but I’ll say this much. A candidate with Palin’s charisma, Thompson’s grasp of Founding principles, and Romney’s ability to get things done could turn the GOP around and reorient the country back on what has made it great.

176 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:27:33pm

re: #170 pingjockey

Charles said up thread she doesn’t have to be confirmed until 2011!

I read it…I just don’t think it’s as threatening as it sounds…I could be wrong

177 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:28:02pm

This is far less troublesome than the previous meddling in science education. The left hasn’t been peddling its own lies about science. But in social studies, we get the smallpox blanket story, the USA nuked North Korea story, and on and on.

Liars on the right, then, in the field of social studies, can serve as a counterweight to liars on the left.

178 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:28:11pm

re: #171 albusteve

how can they argue about that?….it’s simple fact….me thinks someone is jesting

Maybe they forgot to specify which country first. We are talking about Texas, after all - a lot of people here think they’re in Mexico.

/

179 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:28:12pm

re: #174 SasquatchOnSteroids

OMG, an ice cream truck is driving past my house.

I have never ever seen one drive through this neighborhood.

Are you freakin’ kidding me ?

BRB.

ICE CREEEEEAAAAAAMMMMM!

A simpler, and more innocent time, in our past!

180 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:28:22pm

re: #174 SasquatchOnSteroids

OMG, an ice cream truck is driving past my house.

I have never ever seen one drive through this neighborhood.

Are you freakin’ kidding me ?

BRB.

ICE CREEEEEAAAAAAMMMMM!

Grab me a push up pop.(?) I have not had one of those since I was a kid.

181 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:28:59pm

re: #176 albusteve
Let’s hope that she doesn’t get her way. These frakkin’ people really, really need a civics lesson on the 1st Amendment.

182 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:29:04pm

re: #177 lostlakehiker

This is far less troublesome than the previous meddling in science education. The left hasn’t been peddling its own lies about science. But in social studies, we get the smallpox blanket story, the USA nuked North Korea story, and on and on.

Liars on the right, then, in the field of social studies, can serve as a counterweight to liars on the left.

Barton and Marshall are already trying to get Chief Justice Thurgood Marshall removed from the curriculum. That’s OK with you?

183 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:29:07pm
184 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:29:36pm

re: #178 OldLineTexan

Maybe they forgot to specify which country first. We are talking about Texas, after all - a lot of people here think they’re in Mexico.

/

like the guy rooting for Santa Anna?…hahaha!…if I was not a New Mexican, I’d be a Texan in a heartbeat

185 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:29:45pm

re: #177 lostlakehiker

Liars on the right, then, in the field of social studies, can serve as a counterweight to liars on the left.

WTF ? , So you’re advocating our children be lied to in 2 subjects for “balance” !

ggggeeezzzz!

186 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:29:54pm

re: #60 pingjockey

Too many. I believe the current count is over 30.
Just think - 30 high powered offices occupied by people that were not elected and did not have more than a cursory interview by congress…

Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

187 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:30:00pm

re: #177 lostlakehiker
We don’t need liars on either side!

188 sngnsgt  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:30:06pm

re: #174 SasquatchOnSteroids

ICE CREEEEEAAAAAAMMMMM! The ICE CREEEEEAAAAAAMMMMM MAN IS COMING!

/Eddie Murphy ‘Raw’

189 scottishbuzzsaw  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:30:21pm

re: #177 lostlakehiker

Liars on the right, then, in the field of social studies, can serve as a counterweight to liars on the left.

And what happens with the children’s education while the adults act like idiots?

190 Salamantis  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:30:38pm

Commies, Nazis, Theocratic Fundies (of ANY religion)…it doesn’t matter; they’re ALL dogmatic totalitarian collectivist enemies of individual choice, guaranteed rights, constitutional democracy, and objective empirical scientific inquiry.

One cannot preserve these values by embracing any of them as a defence against any of the others.

191 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:30:42pm

re: #186 Van Helsing
Oh yeah, that feeling right before the crocodile grabs your ass!

192 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:31:37pm

re: #179 sattv4u2

A simpler, and more innocent time, in our past!

5th grade, running behind the USMC jeep spraying DDT in Camp LeJeune enlisted housing.

193 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:31:41pm

re: #190 Salamantis
Nicely put.

194 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:31:48pm

re: #181 pingjockey

Let’s hope that she doesn’t get her way. These frakkin’ people really, really need a civics lesson on the 1st Amendment.

don’t get me wrong…there is a big problem looming…these people seem unstoppable but so far I think sanity has the upper hand

195 Annar  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:32:04pm

re: #182 Charles

I would have thought they’d start with Earl Warren to keep the Birchers happy.

196 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:32:11pm

re: #192 pre-Boomer Marine brat

5th grade, running behind the USMC jeep spraying DDT in Camp LeJeune enlisted housing.

Do you have any superpowers as a result?

/

197 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:32:20pm

re: #111 pingjockey

That is the way it has always worked in the past, but I’m sure the current crop of commie bastards think they’ll get it right this time.

F***ing rat commie bastards.

198 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:32:41pm

re: #188 sngnsgt
We have an ice cream truck here and I wonder where all my small change has gone! 2 boys ya know.

199 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:33:18pm

re: #197 Van Helsing
Rat bastards one and all. Yep.

200 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:33:24pm

re: #192 pre-Boomer Marine brat

5th grade, running behind the USMC jeep spraying DDT in Camp LeJeune enlisted housing.

6th grade , behind the home plate stands at the local park , copping a feel off of Eileen Hallahan !

BAD SATT ,BAD BAD BAD !

201 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:34:22pm

re: #190 Salamantis

Commies, Nazis, Theocratic Fundies (of ANY religion)…it doesn’t matter; they’re ALL dogmatic totalitarian collectivist enemies of individual choice, guaranteed rights, constitutional democracy, and objective empirical scientific inquiry.

One cannot preserve these values by embracing any of them as a defence against any of the others.

Europe will soon learn that the hard way I think…we need to be extremely vigilant here in America and with an overly leftist govt it makes it that much harder

202 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:34:24pm

re: #196 OldLineTexan

Do you have any superpowers as a result?

/

*twitches, drools, extends green fingers to the keyboard*

No

203 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:34:48pm

re: #148 Annar

Now I understand why I always rooted for Santa Ana in that Alamo film. Texistan is rapidly becoming headquarters for the wackiest and most feeble minded versions of christian cultism. Let’s just hope it can be contained.

My ancestor helped beat the shit out of your fascist dictator hero at San Jacinto.

204 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:35:00pm

re: #177 lostlakehiker

This is far less troublesome than the previous meddling in science education. The left hasn’t been peddling its own lies about science. But in social studies, we get the smallpox blanket story, the USA nuked North Korea story, and on and on.

Liars on the right, then, in the field of social studies, can serve as a counterweight to liars on the left.

Personally, I’m not a fan of liars in general.

205 Truck Monkey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:35:10pm

re: #200 sattv4u2

6th grade , behind the home plate stands at the local park , copping a feel off of Eileen Hallahan !

BAD SATT ,BAD BAD BAD !

You really couldn’t get a grip on anything (eh hem) in 6th grade could you?

206 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:35:15pm

re: #200 sattv4u2

6th grade , behind the home plate stands at the local park , copping a feel off of Eileen Hallahan !

BAD SATT ,BAD BAD BAD !

Tsk tsk tsk!

(-:

207 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:35:22pm

re: #194 albusteve
They keep trying and so far, I think, sanity has prevailed. But they are damn persisitent. What really galls me is they think they and they alone have the right Bible and the only TRUE religion. Nutbars.

208 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:35:58pm

re: #184 albusteve

like the guy rooting for Santa Anna?…hahaha!…if I was not a New Mexican, I’d be a Texan in a heartbeat

Man, I just read that comment. I am going to round up a bunch of feeble-minded christian (sic) cultists and …

LOL

209 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:36:37pm

re: #207 pingjockey

They keep trying and so far, I think, sanity has prevailed. But they are damn persisitent. What really galls me is they think they and they alone have the right Bible and the only TRUE religion. Nutbars.

just wait til it’s “praise the Lord and pass the ammo”….holy shit?

210 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:37:28pm

re: #205 Truck Monkey

You really couldn’t get a grip on anything (eh hem) in 6th grade could you?

*resisting temptation*

211 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:37:48pm

re: #182 Charles

Barton and Marshall are already trying to get Chief Justice Thurgood Marshall removed from the curriculum. That’s OK with you?

I said less troublesome. It’s still troubling. I grant that she’s up to no good and that she’ll be an embarrassment. Thing is, the left is practically to the point of removing George Washington from the curriculum. I expect this lady to at least oppose that.

212 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:38:07pm

re: #209 albusteve
Holy shit! Jesus may love them, but they piss me off.

213 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:38:22pm

re: #208 OldLineTexan

Man, I just read that comment. I am going to round up a bunch of feeble-minded christian (sic) cultists and …

LOL

they have no clue…Santa Anna was a monster…an antique Mussolini at best

214 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:38:27pm

re: #205 Truck Monkey

You really couldn’t get a grip on anything (eh hem) in 6th grade could you?

You apparantly didn’t know Eileen !

She was .lets say , GIFTED

215 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:39:13pm

re: #213 albusteve
From what I’ve read he was a down right evil SOB.

216 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:39:22pm

Sam Huston should have shot Santa Anna right after he cut the deal for Texas…he had it coming

217 sngnsgt  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:40:04pm

re: #198 pingjockey

We have an ice cream truck here and I wonder where all my small change has gone! 2 boys ya know.

CHANGE!

218 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:40:19pm

re: #214 sattv4u2

You apparantly didn’t know Eileen !

She was .lets say , GIFTED

Ya’ gotta do better than that to keep us abreast of events developments.

219 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:41:06pm

and heeeerrrreeee we go!

220 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:41:17pm

re: #212 pingjockey

Holy shit! Jesus may love them, but they piss me off.

Afriend told me that somewhere in this massive bill heading to the Senate is another weapons ban/rider or something. I can’t find anything. Anybody else hear that?

221 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:41:17pm

I am starting to think we would do better without a SBOE OR a Governor.

222 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:41:25pm

re: #217 sngnsgt
At least the one didn’t get it.

223 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:41:40pm

re: #218 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ya’ gotta do better than that to keep us abreast of events developments.

Man I love LGF. Where else can you go from talking about ID to BOOBIES in a matter of a few comments:)

224 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:42:38pm

re: #220 poteen
God only knows what those nefarious bastards have stashed in these bills no one ever gets to see or read!

225 Salamantis  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:42:52pm

re: #223 Erik The Red

Man I love LGF. Where else can you go from talking about ID to BOOBIES in a matter of a few comments:)

It’s a natural segue, seeing as how IDers are such anti-science boobs.

226 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:43:03pm

Creationism started out as a rejection of progress and science among ignorant but sincere fundamentalists. Over the years, however, it has evolved (!) into just another subcult of the media/conspiracy super-culture that dominates the present-day world.
It may be the granddaddy of them all, in fact, since one could scarcely believe in ID, let alone YEC, without also believing in a monstrous and well-nigh airtight conspiracy by evil secular scientists that has gone on for 150 years.

227 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:43:21pm

Awesome. I got a strawberry shortcake and a red, white, and blue popsicle for mini-me.

That poor little girl never saw me coming…..

//

228 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:43:23pm

re: #223 Erik The Red

Man I love LGF. Where else can you go from talking about ID to BOOBIES in a matter of a few comments:)

Is it enough to make you swell with pride?

/yes, I’m going to sit myself in the corner because of that one

229 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:43:51pm

re: #225 Salamantis

It’s a natural segue, seeing as how IDers are such anti-science boobs.

But Eileens were WAY more interesting than the Texas school board ones !

230 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:44:11pm

re: #224 pingjockey

Doesn’t really matter to me. I didn’t register the first time and I won’t if they do it again.

231 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:44:13pm

re: #228 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Mwahahaha! If Mandy was here, that may have earned you a whack!

232 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:44:15pm

re: #214 sattv4u2

You apparantly didn’t know Eileen !

She was .lets say , GIFTED

did you write this song about that incident?

233 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:44:19pm

re: #141 Wendya

Words like fascism and nazi have specific meanings. When you throw them out as a pejorative at any group you don’t like, the meaning is diluted.

If they guy doesn’t want to get lumped in with nazis- perhaps he shouldn’t hang with them.

234 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:44:40pm

re: #180 Erik The Red

Grab me a push up pop.(?) I have not had one of those since I was a kid.

aww,man. sorry.

(burp)

235 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:45:03pm

re: #223 Erik The Red

BTW, are you in the States now?
I’ve been in here very much off-and-on recently.
Saw a comment where you were getting sotto in the First Class Lounge.

236 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:45:40pm

re: #230 poteen
Not a one of over 15 weapons at last count has been registered. Handguns were bought from 2nd parties or given to Dad, Rifles don’t have to be registered.

237 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:46:21pm

Nap time! BBL.

238 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:46:52pm

re: #234 SasquatchOnSteroids

aww,man. sorry.

(burp)

LOL

239 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:46:54pm

re: #237 pingjockey

Nap time! BBL.

Hey!
Did you hear anything about the test yet?

240 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:46:57pm

I suggest people brush up on their Texas history…it is a remarkable story that gets too little attention…Manifest Destiny was not only about Lewis and Clark, the Santa Fe Trail etc…you may feel sorry for Mexico and even I do to a certain extent, but it had to happen….Jefferson was exactly right and here we are now

241 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:47:04pm

re: #190 Salamantis

Commies, Nazis, Theocratic Fundies (of ANY religion)…it doesn’t matter; they’re ALL dogmatic totalitarian collectivist enemies of individual choice, guaranteed rights, constitutional democracy, and objective empirical scientific inquiry.

One cannot preserve these values by embracing any of them as a defence against any of the others.

I regret that I can only click + one time.

242 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:48:27pm

re: #235 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, are you in the States now?
I’ve been in here very much off-and-on recently.
Saw a comment where you were getting sotto in the First Class Lounge.

Yeah got back on the 3rd July. Great to be back. I am missing my family. They join me on the 2cd of August.

243 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:48:51pm

re: #242 Erik The Red

Yeah got back on the 3rd July. Great to be back. I am missing my family. They join me on the 2cd of August.

*high five* !

244 Wendya  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:49:57pm

re: #220 poteen

Afriend told me that somewhere in this massive bill heading to the Senate is another weapons ban/rider or something. I can’t find anything. Anybody else hear that?

Nope.

It’s being suggested the dems might try to slip in anti-2nd legislation into either cap and tax or healthcare. Personally, I think they’re starting to get very worried about 2010 and they’re not stupid enough to try a stunt like that.

245 opnion  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:50:16pm

I just heard some disturbing news. Obama is tossing out the first pitch at the All Star Game. That is not the disturbing news, he is making a seven minute public service announcement prior to the game.
He gets too much exposure, it’s starting to get old.

246 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:50:19pm

re: #242 Erik The Red

Yeah got back on the 3rd July. Great to be back. I am missing my family. They join me on the 2cd of August.

go ride the Incredible Hulk a few times…instant patriots

247 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:51:19pm

re: #245 opnion

I just heard some disturbing news. Obama is tossing out the first pitch at the All Star Game. That is not the disturbing news, he is making a seven minute public service announcement prior to the game.
He gets too much exposure, it’s starting to get old.

STARTING too! I had Obama Overload back in August!

248 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:51:23pm

re: #236 pingjockey

Mine all qualified as assault weapons the first time. I was a criminal, now I’m not.
I’ll let the gov. make up it’s mind what it thinks I should be. But I won’t register.

249 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:51:27pm

re: #246 albusteve

go ride the Incredible Hulk a few times…instant patriots

Which park is it in? I will be taking the kids for a day or 2 once they join me.

250 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:52:28pm

re: #249 Erik The Red

Which park is it in? I will be taking the kids for a day or 2 once they join me.

If you’re near Orlando, I think there’s one at universal Studios/ Islands of Adventure

251 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:52:58pm

re: #245 opnion

I just heard some disturbing news. Obama is tossing out the first pitch at the All Star Game. That is not the disturbing news, he is making a seven minute public service announcement prior to the game.
He gets too much exposure, it’s starting to get old.

let him…like a MIL people will get fed up with his prosthelytizing…he is only hurrying the process

252 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:53:12pm

re: #247 sattv4u2

Don’t worry. The bullpen is up and throwing.//

253 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:53:47pm

re: #250 sattv4u2

If you’re near Orlando, I think there’s one at universal Studios/ Islands of Adventure

20 Minutes east of Orlando.

254 opnion  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:54:22pm

re: #144 Wendya

Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.


That’s it, thanks.

255 Wendya  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:54:36pm

re: #247 sattv4u2

STARTING too! I had Obama Overload back in August!

The most wonderful thing about not having cable/satellite TV is I don’t have to listen to him. Since I choose not to see or hear him, I can just read about it later.

256 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:54:52pm

re: #249 Erik The Red

re: #250 sattv4u2

If you’re near Orlando, I think there’s one at universal Studios/ Islands of Adventure

and if you’re near Orlando , I HIGHLY recommend Sea World with one day at Discovery Cove

257 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:54:57pm

re: #249 Erik The Red

Which park is it in? I will be taking the kids for a day or 2 once they join me.

Universal Studios…a hell of a ride…and ride Dueling Dragons a few times too…nothing like a day at the park to lift your spirits and wear you down…haha!….I love rolly coasters

258 opnion  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:55:49pm

re: #247 sattv4u2

STARTING too! I had Obama Overload back in August!

I agree with that, I’m thinking about people in general.
He did it for me with the Greek Columns.

259 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:56:13pm

re: #255 Wendya

The most wonderful thing about not having cable/satellite TV is I don’t have to listen to him. Since I choose not to see or hear him, I can just read about it later.

I resent that !
//

260 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:56:35pm

re: #257 albusteve

Universal Studios…a hell of a ride…and ride Dueling Dragons a few times too…nothing like a day at the park to lift your spirits and wear you down…haha!….I love rolly coasters

So do I and my eldest daughter. I will most definitely be going there.

261 Salamantis  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:57:31pm

re: #260 Erik The Red

So do I and my eldest daughter. I will most definitely be going there.

The new Charismatic Theme Park is opening soon, featuring Holy Roller Coasters!

/

262 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:57:37pm

re: #259 sattv4u2

I resent that !
//

*scratching head* … how would we have ever guessed !

:D

263 opnion  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:57:41pm

re: #251 albusteve

let him…like a MIL people will get fed up with his prosthelytizing…he is only hurrying the process

You know, his voice on TV has become like annoying background noise that is almost constant. His hubris will be his downfall.

264 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:57:42pm

anybody ever ride this beast?….WHOA!


[Link: www.cedarpoint.com…]

265 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:58:55pm

re: #264 albusteve

anybody ever ride this beast?….WHOA!

[Link: www.cedarpoint.com…]

I will click on that only if you tell me it’s not Helen Thomas.

266 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:59:29pm

re: #264 albusteve

anybody ever ride this beast?….WHOA!


[Link: www.cedarpoint.com…]

No , but I DID ride Ei ,ummm, nevahmind!

267 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:59:35pm

re: #263 opnion

His hubris will be his downfall.

And it’s my guess that it will NOT be pretty to watch.

268 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 2:59:43pm

roller coasters will forge family ties like no other experience….”if you’re goin dad, I’m goin too”…heh

269 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:00:38pm

re: #264 albusteve

anybody ever ride this beast?….WHOA!

[Link: www.cedarpoint.com…]

I grew up about 45 minutes away from Ceder Point. My grandfather and aunt still live there. I think I will need to go and pay them a visit before that white shit starts to fall.

270 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:00:43pm

re: #265 SasquatchOnSteroids

I will click on that only if you tell me it’s not Helen Thomas.

sick mfr…hahaha!

271 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:00:50pm

re: #252 poteen

Don’t worry. The bullpen is up and throwing.//

More like throwing up.

272 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:01:17pm

re: #268 albusteve

roller coasters will forge family ties like no other experience….”if you’re goin dad, I’m goin too”…heh

Thats why I mentioned Discovery Cove at Sea World. Open lagoons where you snorkle with tropical fish including stingrays. You can also pay a little extra and actually swim with a dolphin.

273 Wendya  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:01:44pm

re: #261 Salamantis

The new Charismatic Theme Park is opening soon, featuring Holy Roller Coasters!

/

[Link: www.holylandexperience.com…]

274 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:01:45pm

re: #261 Salamantis

The new Charismatic Theme Park is opening soon, featuring Holy Roller Coasters!

/

Don’t let your holy water leave a ring on your table.

275 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:01:56pm

re: #269 Erik The Red

I grew up about 45 minutes away from Ceder Point. My grandfather and aunt still live there. I think I will need to go and pay them a visit before that white shit starts to fall.

you won’t even believe the coasters they have added….we are talking HEART FAILURE!

276 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:03:27pm

re: #272 sattv4u2

Thats why I mentioned Discovery Cove at Sea World. Open lagoons where you snorkle with tropical fish including stingrays. You can also pay a little extra and actually swim with a dolphin.

Sea World is a treasure no question…I have fond memories

277 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:03:50pm

re: #264 albusteve

Took my chances with one eye closed.

No, but it’s an awesome sounding coaster.

But this caught my eye :

“May not accommodate Guests of Exceptional Size”

Language is a wonderful thing.

278 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:03:51pm

re: #275 albusteve

you won’t even believe the coasters they have added….we are talking HEART FAILURE!

I would love to go there. We have nothing to compare, although we have Schlitterbahn in the water parl category.

279 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:03:54pm

re: #275 albusteve

you won’t even believe the coasters they have added….we are talking HEART FAILURE!

Last time I was at Ceder Point was 1991. I tend to stay up to date with the new coasters(I don’t know why) They really do have a great park.

280 opnion  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:04:04pm

re: #267 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And it’s my guess that it will NOT be pretty to watch.


He will not handle it well. He & his people will scream racism if he is not reelected.
Even if he is one term though, he gets the pension & all of the perks & if he wants he could be a college Dean.

281 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:04:06pm
282 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:04:24pm

re: #277 SasquatchOnSteroids

Took my chances with one eye closed.

No, but it’s an awesome sounding coaster.

But this caught my eye :

“May not accommodate Guests of Exceptional Size”

Language is a wonderful thing.

When everyone fits the car except you, you are exceptional!

283 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:05:01pm

re: #278 OldLineTexan

I would love to go there. We have nothing to compare, although we have Schlitterbahn in the water parl category.

if I ever passed within 300mi of an amusement park I booked it…you can’t stop me

284 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:05:25pm

re: #275 albusteve

you won’t even believe the coasters they have added….we are talking HEART FAILURE!

Sounds fun !

285 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:06:37pm

re: #241 Sharmuta

I regret that I can only click + one time.

I vote for the ability to Karma Bomb a post at least once a week, using one’s own points. Positive only, to prevent slaughters!

FFPP
/fun fair positive posting

/

286 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:06:54pm

re: #279 Erik The Red

Last time I was at Ceder Point was 1991. I tend to stay up to date with the new coasters(I don’t know why) They really do have a great park.

it’s not DW and does not pretend to be….Cedar Point is all about coasters, period….there are other great rides around the country but CP is full of them…

287 Sunlight  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:08:54pm

The focus on the scary creationists ignores the scary people already in power and entrenched in U.S. schools. Presenting the case as “either/or” - either we leave the current “earth without man” culture in charge of the schools - or we replace them with the scary creationists. I just don’t get this. Wouldn’t it be best to keep creationism out of the schools, as LGF advocates, but also advocate for the removal of the current Marcuse style teachings of the public schools today? I’ve looked to LGF for centrist writings (from Charles and commenters) for years now, but it seems to have devolved into a blocking operation for perpetuation of the un-addressed current philosophies. For example, see Zombie:

John Holdren, Obama’s Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet

Book he authored in 1977 advocates for extreme totalitarian measures to control the population

288 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:09:22pm

Mel Gibson to star in ‘Beaver’

Mel Gibson will star in “The Beaver” for director Jodie Foster.

The script, written by Kyle Killen, topped the Blacklist in December.

Gibson will play a depressed man who finds solace in wearing a beaver hand-puppet. On top of helming, Foster will play the role of the man’s wife.

/is it too early to talk Oscar?

289 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:09:45pm

re: #286 albusteve

it’s not DW and does not pretend to be….Cedar Point is all about coasters, period….there are other great rides around the country but CP is full of them…

Last time I was there was 72. Is Lake Erie still grayish brown? Iheard they cleaned it up.

290 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:10:23pm
291 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:11:04pm

re: #288 Killian Bundy

hahahahaahhhaahahahhaaaa

292 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:11:14pm

re: #287 Sunlight

Wouldn’t it be best to keep creationism out of the schools, as LGF advocates,

I may be wrong, but LGF as far as I know does NOT advocate keeping ID out of schools. It DOES advocate keeping it out of science classes of any type. It could be discussed in a comparitive religious history class for instance

293 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:12:12pm

re: #288 Killian Bundy

Mel Gibson to star in ‘Beaver’


/is it too early to talk Oscar?

If they get Jerry Mathers, I am going to see it.

294 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:12:30pm

re: #289 poteen

Last time I was there was 72. Is Lake Erie still grayish brown? Iheard they cleaned it up.

well the Cuyahoga river has not exploded for a while….they have made tremendous headway against pollution in the Great Lakes, especially Erie

295 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:12:36pm

re: #289 poteen

Last time I was there was 72. Is Lake Erie still grayish brown? Iheard they cleaned it up.

They did , now it’s brownish / gray!

296 Sunlight  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:12:47pm

re: #292 sattv4u2


Wouldn’t it be best to keep creationism out of the schools, as LGF advocates,

I may be wrong, but LGF as far as I know does NOT advocate keeping ID out of schools. It DOES advocate keeping it out of science classes of any type. It could be discussed in a comparitive religious history class for instance

I stand corrected. I meant science class, not comparative religions…

297 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:12:58pm

re: #294 albusteve

well the Cuyahoga river has not exploded for a while….they have made tremendous headway against pollution in the Great Lakes, especially Erie

burn on big river, burn on

/Randy Newman

298 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:13:23pm

re: #293 OldLineTexan

If they get Jerry Mathers, I am going to see it.

Somebody had to.

299 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:13:33pm

re: #293 OldLineTexan

If they get Jerry Mathers, I am going to see it.

he could play Grampa Beav

300 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:14:06pm

re: #292 sattv4u2


Wouldn’t it be best to keep creationism out of the schools, as LGF advocates,

I may be wrong, but LGF as far as I know does NOT advocate keeping ID out of schools. It DOES advocate keeping it out of science classes of any type. It could be discussed in a comparitive religious history class for instance

There must be some space amongst the readin’, ritin’ and ‘rithmetic studies being highlighted now.

301 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:14:17pm

re: #298 poteen

Somebody had to.

Imagine the limitless possibilities …

302 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:14:57pm

re: #297 OldLineTexan

burn on big river, burn on

/Randy Newman

it did..freaky…you can’t make that shit up as they say…and the Land of Cleve does host the RRHF (assholes)

303 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:15:10pm

re: #288 Killian Bundy

re: #298 poteen

re: #293 OldLineTexan

June Cleaver

“Ward, you were a little hard on the Beaver last night!”

304 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:15:26pm

re: #288 Killian Bundy

Mel Gibson to star in ‘Beaver’

/is it too early to talk Oscar?

Wonder if they’ll pull out the “Talk to the Hand !” line.

305 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:17:19pm

You could tie that Mel Gibson movie into Captain Kangaroo - somebody had a hand in that rabbit puppet all those years …

306 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:17:32pm

HUGE thunderstorm coming thru Atlanta. Just lost power here at work. both generators are CRANKED !

307 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:17:38pm

re: #303 sattv4u2

dirtiest.tv.show.ever

308 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:18:16pm

re: #306 sattv4u2

HUGE thunderstorm coming thru Atlanta. Just lost power here at work. both generators are CRANKED !

Our elders speak of the times long past when water fell from the sky.

/it ain’t flooding down in Texas

309 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:19:43pm

re: #308 OldLineTexan

Our elders speak of the times long past when water fell from the sky.

/it ain’t flooding down in Texas

I love watching the light show. I have a place in South Carolina at the ocean. The storms there are BEAUTIFUL

310 Wendya  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:19:53pm

re: #306 sattv4u2

HUGE thunderstorm coming thru Atlanta. Just lost power here at work. both generators are CRANKED !

Lucky you!

I’m kind of hoping one will build up here in the next hour but the radar isn’t cooperating.

311 axegrinder  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:20:11pm

Mel Gibson as a depressed crazy man. He won’t even have to act. It’s perfect.

312 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:21:08pm

you need some of this bro…a Texas Flood

313 axegrinder  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:21:38pm

re: #308 OldLineTexan

Our elders speak of the times long past when water fell from the sky.

/it ain’t flooding down in Texas

314 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:22:15pm

re: #313 axegrinder

is your nicname Too Slow Bro?

315 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:22:41pm

re: #288 Killian Bundy

Mel Gibson to star in ‘Beaver’

/is it too early to talk Oscar?

So, it’s not a “Leave it to….” revival? Forget it then.

I always liked Leave it to Beaver, btw, negative icon of 50s shmaltz be damned. That status was always a little unfair anyway, the show didn’t go into drug addiction or teen pregnancy but it was meant as a light hearted look at some everyday problems of growing up and not as dramatic social commentary. Its portrayal of childhood concerns and thinking patterns was often quite realistic.
I met Jerry Mathers himself a couple of times. He is a real gentleman, just a year older than I am. He is not at all sensitive about his childhood career as the Beaver and sometimes seems to revel in it.
It was none other than moonbat actress Shirley McClain who popularized the urban legend that Mathers had been killed in Vietnam, when she repeated it as fact on the Tonight Show. Mathers did serve his country during the Vietnam war, in the Air National Guard, but he did not deploy overseas.

316 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:29:20pm

He’s going to give a propaganda speech before he throws out the first pitch at the All-Star Game!

FUCK this guy.

317 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:30:10pm

I can see the script now … Ward is long since deceased, and June is addled with grief in a nursing home. Wally died of a crack overdose, and Mel (as the Beaver) has found happiness with Jodie Foster’s character, but cracks when his best friend Whitey is imprisoned for planning to bomb a Federal prison to free his lover, Larry Mondello.

Escaping into a friendlier past time, The Beaver discovers a hand puppet in the attic of his parent’s home as he readies it for sale …

/

318 Macker  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:35:39pm

re: #182 Charles

Point of Information: Thurgood Marshall was never a Chief Justice.

319 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:37:04pm

re: #318 Macker

Point of Information: Thurgood Marshall was never a Chief Justice.

Right - I meant Supreme Court Justice.

320 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:39:06pm

re: #287 Sunlight

I’ve looked to LGF for centrist writings (from Charles and commenters) for years now, but it seems to have devolved into a blocking operation for perpetuation of the un-addressed current philosophies. For example, see Zombie:

Maybe you missed it, but Zombie’s piece was the subject of a long thread on Friday.

321 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:42:15pm

re: #287 Sunlight

True enough. Getting them out is going to be harder than keeping out the creationists. And no one should be kept from expressing their opinions.
My personal opinion is that we should make massive cuts in education at the state and federal levels and these types of people will be less likely to be drawn to it. (Less of other peoples money to spend and less power over large groups.)
K-12 funding and curriculum should be local. Spending your own money makes you search deeper for value. Access to higher learning should be regional to state level with minimum TESTABLE standards.Locales with larger tax bases will have an advantage. They are currently underperforming so money isn’t the solution’.
Lastly, most local districts now don’t get to spend their massive budgets anyway.. Alot of the money is program specific. i.e. bilingual , special education.
In my local district it approaches 80%. And in their wisdom the BofE spent 50M of their 20% on a nice new office for the district. Many special ed programs are necessary but many are political payback, at a national or state level to groups that have no interest in public education.
Check up in your district to see where the money comes from, where it goes and why. You’ll be pissed.

322 Abaddon  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:47:15pm

There are times when I am proud to be a Texan. This is not one of them. I don’t want to live in a theocracy.

323 theheat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:21:17pm

re: #322 Abaddon

In Texas, I’m thinking you and a handful of others are the minority. Hats of to the lot of you.

324 shortshrift  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:23:28pm

re: #321 poteen

Interesting. At last a political approach. Fundamentally, though, the issue is that it is getting harder and harder to find an ideologically neutral curriculum in almost any subject. Where majorities rule, sometimes the only way out is to vote with your feet. If I were a parent where the local school board insisted on teaching nonsense, I have the choice to home school, buy private education, use internet education, or move.
I am not complaining about the topic. It is crucially important. But there is no political answer to bad ideas. Education may be the answer to bad ideas - but not when education itself is perverted.

325 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:34:26pm

This part upsets and scares me more than the creationism. Anyone who knows my posts knows how strongly I oppose ID troglodytes, so if I say, as a profeesional scientist, that this bothers me more, it really bothers me quite a lot.

“Barton has already joined with a fellow “expert” on the panel, far-right evangelical minister Peter Marshall, in calling for the removal of progressive historical figures like César Chavez and former U.S. Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall from the standards.”

So what is wrong with teaching about Justice Marshall? Is it that he was a strong defender of equal rights? Is it that he was black? Is it that if we do not teach about him, we can forget about him - and the rights of black people? What is wrong about Cesar Chavez? Is it that he was a strong defender of rights for farmers and minority workers, or is it that he was Hispanic? Is it that if we do not talk about him, we can forget about him and the rights of Hispanic Americans or farm workers?

I have a collegue named Igor. He is, quelle suprise Russian. When Putin announced that the history books in Russia were going to be rewritten yet again, Igor said “Being Russian historian is exciting work… There are always new developments in the field.”

People who choose to rewrite history almost never do it for good reasons.

Beyond Creationism this speaks to a certain form of totalitarianism and lack of interest in free thought or public discourse that is double plus bad.

326 Salamantis  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:38:37pm

re: #305 OldLineTexan

You could tie that Mel Gibson movie into Captain Kangaroo - somebody had a hand in that rabbit puppet all those years …

The late great Shari Lewis and Lamb Chop shoulda gotten an Emmy:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Wait; she won 12 of them!

And now her daughter has assumed the mantle and has slipped on the Lambchop legacy. May it never end…

327 freetoken  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:55:16pm

re: #325 LudwigVanQuixote

Concur with your concerns, LVQ. The threat from historical revisionism probably does outrank the threat from the rejection of science. Of course the two are linked, ideologically, but the former is much harder to counter.

328 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:24:22pm
So she’s in charge for at least two years by fiat.

These fiat guys, first Chrysler, and now Texas.

329 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:27:09pm

re: #287 Sunlight

The focus on the scary creationists ignores the scary people already in power and entrenched in U.S. schools. Presenting the case as “either/or” - either we leave the current “earth without man” culture in charge of the schools - or we replace them with the scary creationists. I just don’t get this. Wouldn’t it be best to keep creationism out of the schools, as LGF advocates, but also advocate for the removal of the current Marcuse style teachings of the public schools today? I’ve looked to LGF for centrist writings (from Charles and commenters) for years now, but it seems to have devolved into a blocking operation for perpetuation of the un-addressed current philosophies. For example, see Zombie:

OK fine, I keep saying, on several issues, you can’t beat something with nothing.

So, somebody post the names and CVs of some education guys we ought to be backing. Kind of a lot of work for a general issues blog, but maybe someone’s already running something like that we can look at?

330 ladycatnip  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:31:52pm

#322 Abaddon

There are times when I am proud to be a Texan. This is not one of them. I don’t want to live in a theocracy.

The ACLU is here to make sure that never happens.

What should scare us all is we have no one to protect us from textbook leftist revisionists, the politically power-hungry (global governance), or from the islamists - who also have an agenda to insert their brand of theocracy into our public education. They will all get a pass from the ACLU.

If this country ever gets close to a theocracy, I can assure you it won’t be coming from the Christians.

331 Westward Ho  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:18:50pm

re: #177 lostlakehiker

But in social studies, we get the smallpox blanket story, the USA nuked North Korea story, and on and on.

You might be wrong about the small pox blanket story. Please check out this primary source.

Amherst and Smallpox

332 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:45:53pm

re: #331 Westward Ho

You might be wrong about the small pox blanket story. Please check out this primary source.

Amherst and Smallpox

You could be right about Amherst. This much I do know: Amherst was one of the few men of his time who understood smallpox well enough to know that vaccination worked, and one of the few who understood the importance of hygiene to the health of armies and populations.

On the other hand, Amherst was a British officer. The United States of America bears no responsibility for anything he did. From the very day of independence, he was an officer in the armed forces of our enemies at the time, Britain.

Washington did some pretty drastic things to some of the Indian tribes, in retaliation for some drastic things they did to exposed civilians on the frontier, and at a time when we were at war with Britain and facing grim odds. We were losing, and we couldn’t afford to have our outlying settlements put to the torch and the tomahawk.

War is cruel, and Washington’s response was harsh, but I never heard of him, or any other U.S. force, incorporating smallpox into the armory. It wouldn’t make sense, because Washington, like most people of his time and unlike Amherst, wouldn’t have really understood what was up with smallpox. I’d also expect that even if he had understood the potential of such an approach, and even though desperate times require desperate measures, he just wouldn’t have done that.


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