American Library Association Panelists Refuse to Appear with Robert Spencer

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An American Library Association panel discussion on Islam has been canceled, after three of the four panelists refused to participate with anti-Islam blogger Robert Spencer.

On July 7th, a group of nine members sent the ALA an open letter regarding Robert Spencer’s participation. This led to the withdrawal of Dr. Marcia Hermansen, a professor of Islamic Studies at Loyola University, neuropsychologist Dr. Alia Ammar, and Dr. Esmail Koushanpour of Northwestern University Medical School in Chicago.

Spencer, meanwhile, blames me for it, in a bizarre 2300-word rant that’s nearly incoherent with rage and venom.

Here’s the latest statement from the organization behind the Islam panel.

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455 comments
1 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:24:32pm

You look like a fool, robert.

2 axegrinder  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:25:45pm

Spencer just can't get no love.

3 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:27:48pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

You look like a fool, robert.

Whaddya mean "looks like", Sharm? He is a fool...a damn unapologetic fool.

4 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:27:52pm

Whats up with the two photos? Is RS accusing you of something?

5 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:28:02pm

There weren't any comments yet on the Spenser diatribe. He's kinda goofy, in a really goofed-out lunaticky way.

6 axegrinder  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:28:14pm

It's weird he blames you Charles. I chat and post in several different internet groups and in all the times I've mentioned LGF noone ever knows what I'm talking about. I like you but your influence IS limited. Some folks just need someone to blame I guess.

7 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:28:22pm

that cesspool of lies and hate, Little Green Footballs),

Cool. I didn't even KNOW!

//

8 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:28:25pm

Crazy Pam is gonna be so, so pissed at all the librarians who are now conspiring against her.

9 shiplord kirel  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:28:35pm

Can't they just toss him and hold the discussion anyway? Being the uber-lib ALA though they have to play the martyr I guess.

To head off the inevitable red herring, this has nothing at all to do with free speech. He is still free to express his increasingly insane opinions any time he likes. Needless (maybe) to say, he has no Constitutional right to appear in the ALA forum or to require that the other members agree to appear with him.

10 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:29:11pm

re: #4 Erik The Red

Whats up with the two photos? Is RS accusing you of something?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

11 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:30:04pm

re: #8 SixDegrees

Crazy Pam is gonna be so, so pissed at all the librarians who are now conspiring against her.

They just shush you up so they can plot away without distraction.

12 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:30:34pm

clearly Spencer needs a time out...he gets his ass kicked every time when he miss represents Charles...ballerina slippers vrs Honco boots...and he's so fucking windy about it

13 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:31:19pm

"libelblogger"? What the heck is that? Sheesh.

14 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:31:55pm

re: #9 shiplord kirel

Can't they just toss him and hold the discussion anyway? Being the uber-lib ALA though they have to play the martyr I guess.

To head off the inevitable red herring, this has nothing at all to do with free speech. He is still free to express his increasingly insane opinions any time he likes. Needless (maybe) to say, he has no Constitutional right to appear in the ALA forum or to require that the other members agree to appear with him.

There's no tactful way to rescind an invitation once it's gone out. The refusal of others to attend and the subsequent scotching of the event is pretty much the only graceful way for this to play out.

The ALA could look into Spencer and denounce him, of course, but it's a bit late for that. Perhaps in the future they'll decide prior to sending out invitations just who should be on the guest list.

15 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:32:11pm

Charles apparently controls the ALA ... I had no idea he was THAT powerful.

/

16 jorline  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:32:26pm

Robert Spencer short sheeted his own bed...sleep well!

17 SixDegrees  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:32:38pm

re: #15 OldLineTexan

Charles apparently controls the ALA ... I had no idea he was THAT powerful.

/

"All your libraries are belong to us."

18 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:33:16pm

re: #13 Crimsonfisted

"libelblogger"? What the heck is that? Sheesh.

Not just "libelblogger" -- "aging adolescent libelblogger."

19 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:33:24pm

re: #15 OldLineTexan

Charles apparently controls the ALA ... I had no idea he was THAT powerful.

/

yes, therefore Charles controls all books...therefore Charles controls all knowledge...therefore....

20 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:33:28pm

re: #17 SixDegrees

"All your libraries are belong to us."

Charles, warlord of 10,000 cranky spinsters with English degrees ...


/shudder

21 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:33:59pm

American Library Association

Maybe they dis-invited Robert because of that book he took out back in the 80's and nver returned !

22 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:34:00pm

re: #15 OldLineTexan

Charles apparently controls the ALA ... I had no idea he was THAT powerful.

/

That's a done deal. Now he has the whole Kindle market.

23 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:34:25pm

"...Johnson must be very proud of having become a tool for a Hamas front."
- Robert (Doofus) Spencer

That's a good'n

Heh

24 pat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:36:25pm

CAIR also objected I had read. And I was under the belief that Spencer withdrew. As for the forum:

The Ethnic and Multicultural Information Exchange Roundtable (EMIERT) invited a panel of four speakers to present differing viewpoints on "Perspectives on Islam: Beyond the Stereotyping." On behalf of EMIERT I regret to inform you that our panel discussion will not be held Sunday, July 12th. With the withdrawal of three of the four panelists we cannot provide a fair and equitable forum to explore the diversity of opinions that the panel would have offered.

Nothing could be further from the truth. I believe three members of the panel would merely reflect the kumbaya BS we get from the MSM, CAIR and other Islamic sources every day. We are to close our eyes to the fact that 99% of religious violence in the modern day is perpetrated by one religion.

25 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:36:43pm

Dear mr spencer-

It's no one's fault but your own that you are getting caught in your odious dealings. People are noticing, and it's not going to get better- it will only grow worse as you continue to carry on the way you do with whom you do. But please carry on in not taking responsibility for your own reputation, but continue to blame your critics for noticing. It adds to your aura of..... credibility.

26 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:37:03pm

re: #23 The Shadow Do

"...Johnson must be very proud of having become a tool for a Hamas front."
- Robert (Doofus) Spencer

That's a good'n

Heh

just because his readers dug the Rooster...that ain't fair

27 BenghaziHoops  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:37:35pm

re: #25 Sharmuta

Good Evening Sharm..Hope today finds you well...

28 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:37:37pm

re: #20 OldLineTexan

Charles, warlord of 10,000 cranky spinsters with English degrees ...

/shudder

Makes me think of a segment from Weird Al Yankovic's movie UHF...

Conan the Librarian

/he'll hurt you bad if you don't know the Dewey Decimal System... ;-P

29 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:37:54pm

re: #26 albusteve

just because his readers dug the Rooster...that ain't fair

Shhh ... maybe Charles ranks highly enough with Hamas to get Carter to shut up.

/

30 zombie  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:37:56pm

I think maybe folks should take this advice from the lyrics of the song "The Lady is a Tramp":

She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
She likes the theater but never come late
She never bothers with people she hates
 That's why the lady is a tramp

------

If you don't like someone -- ignore them. Don't spend your days writing obsessively about them.

31 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:38:04pm

re: #27 HoosierHoops

Hey 2H.

32 BenghaziHoops  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:38:57pm

re: #31 Erik The Red

Hey 2H.

What up bro?

33 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:39:43pm

re: #30 zombie

I think maybe folks should take this advice from the lyrics of the song "The Lady is a Tramp":

She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
She likes the theater but never come late
She never bothers with people she hates
 That's why the lady is a tramp

------

If you don't like someone -- ignore them. Don't spend your days writing obsessively about them.

Buddy Greco: "La-de-ah-dah"

34 axegrinder  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:40:08pm

re: #30 zombie

I think maybe folks should take this advice from the lyrics of the song "The Lady is a Tramp":

She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
She likes the theater but never come late
She never bothers with people she hates
 That's why the lady is a tramp

------

If you don't like someone -- ignore them. Don't spend your days writing obsessively about them.

I second that emotion.

35 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:40:24pm

re: #30 zombie

I think maybe folks should take this advice from the lyrics of the song "The Lady is a Tramp":

She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
She likes the theater but never come late
She never bothers with people she hates
 That's why the lady is a tramp

------

If you don't like someone -- ignore them. Don't spend your days writing obsessively about them.

it's a perverse love he has for Charles...he wants to BE Charles...he's a freak

36 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:41:07pm

re: #32 HoosierHoops

What up bro?

Not much. Just chilling at my aunts place this weekend. Bought my grans Town and Country and am driving it back to Orlando tomorrow.

37 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:41:10pm

re: #18 Charles

Not just "libelblogger" -- "aging adolescent libelblogger."


Well, I will always think of you as the "ever-youthful, wise, and always vigilant truthsayer".
:)

38 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:44:04pm

Spencer has no room to bitch. This is how moral people deal with crazies: they refuse to associate with them. The rest of the panel didn't want to associate with an extremist and chose not to participate in the panel. The counter jihad blogs should have refused to associate with neo-nazis and now they have to pay the price. Too bad.

39 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:44:29pm

re: #20 OldLineTexan

Charles, warlord of 10,000 cranky spinsters with English degrees ...

/shudder

Rotating title nomination?

40 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:44:53pm

Maybe Dougie Hooper is free that night ...

41 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:45:17pm

re: #30 zombie

I don't think Robert Spencer cares- he's attacked Charles for months now. And I think Charles has every right to fire back when the attack is as stupid and petty as this. I know at other times Charles has ignored the attacks, but this is just dumb- and contrived.

42 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:46:07pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

Spencer has no room to bitch. This is how moral people deal with crazies: they refuse to associate with them. The rest of the panel didn't want to associate with an extremist and chose not to participate in the panel. The counter jihad blogs should have refused to associate with neo-nazis and now they have to pay the price. Too bad.

Agreed.

43 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:47:29pm

Strange that there are no comments there. The article looks like it was put up on the 9th.

44 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:48:33pm

re: #43 Pvt Bin Jammin

Strange that there are no comments there. The article looks like it was put up on the 9th.


That struck me too. Why no comments?

45 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:48:39pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

Spencer has no room to bitch. This is how moral people deal with crazies: they refuse to associate with them. The rest of the panel didn't want to associate with an extremist and chose not to participate in the panel. The counter jihad blogs should have refused to associate with neo-nazis and now they have to pay the price. Too bad.

Exactly. It's fitting that it's come back to haunt them. But of course they don't blame themselves for their associations...in their heads the real problem is that others made those associations public!

46 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:49:24pm

re: #44 Crimsonfisted

That struck me too. Why no comments?

It's a Google cache link. I refuse to send traffic to Spencer's site.

47 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:49:24pm

"Stuck in the Middle With You" by Stealer's Wheel could be the theme song for LGF.

"Fools on the left of me, jokers to the right here I am, stuck in the middle with you."

48 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:49:51pm

re: #44 Crimsonfisted

That struck me too. Why no comments?

maybe his readers are getting burned out with his projection and disconnect?

49 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:50:33pm

OT - Endeavor getting ready to launch. 23 minutes to go and counting.

50 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:50:54pm

By withdrawing, they give him tremendous material to work with. He throws it away feeling slighted and slimed.

Foolish if you ask me.

51 Mithrax  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:51:15pm

re: #47 _RememberTonyC

"Stuck in the Middle With You" by Stealer's Wheel could be the theme song for LGF.

"Fools on the left of me, jokers to the right here I am, stuck in the middle with you."

Who'se ear can we cut off? :)

52 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:51:41pm

re: #46 Charles

It's a Google cache link.

Thanks. Don't know if I care to go over to the site bad enough to check them out. Probably just a lot of bashing anyhow.

53 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:51:47pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

re: #42 Charles

So now that Spencer is uninvited (dis-invited? non-invited?) is the panek dicussiion back on, and if so are Dr. Marcia Hermansen Dr. Alia Ammar, and Dr. Esmail Koushanpour going to participate ?

54 jvic  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:51:56pm

re: #20 OldLineTexan

Charles, warlord of 10,000 cranky spinsters with English degrees ...

My anecdotal impression is that those cranky spinters are probably leftists who will stock multiple copies of liberal bestsellers as a matter of course but require serious nudging to order even one copy of a conservative bestseller.

re: #24 pat

CAIR also objected I had read. And I was under the belief that Spencer withdrew. As for the forum:

Nothing could be further from the truth. I believe three members of the panel would merely reflect the kumbaya BS we get from the MSM, CAIR and other Islamic sources every day.

I suspect that. Lacking time to look for evidence, I won't say I believe it.

We are to close our eyes to the fact that 99% of religious violence in the modern day is perpetrated by one religion.

I'm willing to be as ruthless as necessary with Muslims if necessary, but I don't endorse that statement.

None of the above is intended as a defense of Spencer.

55 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:52:19pm

re: #42 Charles


Dude, you mentioned you though about posting a thread on the racist free Republic but it got deleted. Here's another opportunity from the Council of Conservative Citizens.....
“America’s littlest diplomat” gets “ghetto” at the G8.

(VIA google search)

56 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:52:46pm

What incoherent Machiavellian crap will Spenser accuse people of perpetrating against him next? Everything that goes wrong with the man is the cause of Charles, what delusions of stalking.

57 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:53:28pm

re: #53 sattv4u2

They never revoked his invitation. They canceled the event because the other panelists refused to appear with Spencer.

58 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:54:51pm

re: #46 Charles

It's a Google cache link.

Something of which I am grateful for. I normally avoid google, but diving into the cesspool of Spenser's is truly the greater evil.

59 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:54:57pm

re: #50 poteen

By withdrawing, they give him tremendous material to work with. He throws it away feeling slighted and slimed.

Foolish if you ask me.

with him I don't think it's about honest discourse....he and Crazy Pam see themselves as celebrities, burning stars for the Right...they love to go places, talk to people, get published and photographed....the easiest audience are the lunatics... they've become the very people the appeal to...how else could it be...stroke, stroke

60 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:56:58pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Dude, you mentioned you though about posting a thread on the racist free Republic but it got deleted. Here's another opportunity from the Council of Conservative Citizens.....
“America’s littlest diplomat” gets “ghetto” at the G8.

(VIA google search)

Yeesh. A cache link to that disgusting page: [Link: 74.125.155.132...]

61 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:58:22pm

Shuttle launch called off...

62 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:58:31pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

They never revoked his invitation. They canceled the event because the other panelists refused to appear with Spencer.

And they did so before CAIR got involved.

63 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:58:57pm

re: #56 FurryOldGuyJeans

What incoherent Machiavellian crap will Spenser accuse people of perpetrating against him next? Everything that goes wrong with the man is the cause of Charles, what delusions of stalking.

He's been getting worse ever since Charles exposed the VB for the fascists they are. It's a mental illness IMHO, and Spencer really needs to see a shrink for his delusions about LGF and Charles.

64 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 3:59:07pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

They never revoked his invitation. They canceled the event because the other panelists refused to appear with Spencer.

Then why didn't the ALA just hold it WITHOUT him?
I am so sick and tired of organizations being held hostage by an individual or by a small group. And I'm talking about all sides of the political spectra

65 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:00:17pm

A lot of times, by the way, Google does have a cache of a page, even if it doesn't show up in the Google search results. Easiest way to get it is to use a search term like this:

cache:[URL]

With URL being the address of the page.

66 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:00:30pm

re: #62 Sharmuta

And they did so before CAIR got involved.

People just don't like even being in the same room with fascists.
It's the smell, I guess.

67 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:00:30pm

re: #4 Erik The Red

Whats up with the two photos? Is RS accusing you of something?

Hmm. What is that shadow on Markus Beisicht's shoulder?

Looks like a flag, maybe.

68 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:00:41pm

re: #64 sattv4u2

Because they cancelled days before the event.

69 sadhu  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:00:59pm

waiting for the shuttle launch at -- should be able to see it
weather not encouraging

[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

70 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:01:01pm

re: #61 Charles

Shuttle launch called off...

Showing on hold here locally.... holding.......

71 EaterOfFood  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:01:57pm

re: #28 talon_262

Makes me think of a segment from Weird Al Yankovic's movie UHF...

Conan the Librarian

/he'll hurt you bad if you don't know the Dewey Decimal System... ;-P

Not bad, but not a patch on Gandhi II

/No more Mr. Passive Resistance

72 sadhu  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:02:08pm

no go for today

73 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:03:01pm

Storms coming into Central Florida. Now saying scrubbed.

74 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:03:09pm

Robert Spenser answers comments at the Open Letter link, the propaganda he spews would warm the cockles of Josef Goebbels' heart well.

75 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:03:11pm

re: #19 albusteve

yes, therefore Charles controls all books...therefore Charles controls all knowledge...therefore....

Heh.
Charles is Spencer's "Cheney."

Ooga-booga!

76 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:04:22pm

re: #75 Dar ul Harb

Heh.
Charles is Spencer's "Cheney."

Ooga-booga!

Charles is Spencer's Ron Paul. ;)

77 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:05:12pm

re: #73 Crimsonfisted

Storms coming into Central Florida. Now saying scrubbed.

this would never happen down at White Sands

78 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:05:27pm

re: #74 FurryOldGuyJeans

Robert Spenser answers comments at the Open Letter link, the propaganda he spews would warm the cockles of Josef Goebbels' heart well.

Thanks- I'll take a read at them.

79 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:05:43pm

re: #59 albusteve

with him I don't think it's about honest discourse....he and Crazy Pam see themselves as celebrities, burning stars for the Right...they love to go places, talk to people, get published and photographed....the easiest audience are the lunatics... they've become the very people the appeal to...how else could it be...stroke, stroke

I think it's more the one trick pony thing with both.
3 or 4 years ago the world was different than today. Some here may disagree but the threat of radical Islam is lesser now than then. Iran, syria, al queda et al were firmly entrenched then. While still active and dangerous they are losing and losing steadily.
Spencer and Geller want to keep their audience so they talk loud and rowdy.

Fear doesn't sell banners as well as it did a few years ago. And the King Lizard won't help them so they fire a few rounds his way

80 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:05:56pm

re: #77 albusteve

this would never happen down at White Sands


It's frickin' HURRICANE season now. There are ALWAYS afternoon storms here.

81 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:06:02pm

re: #76 FurryOldGuyJeans

Charles is Spencer's Ron Paul. ;)

That's quite orthogonal ...I don't get it.

82 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:06:28pm

it's 102deg in ABQ...12% humidity...good Shuttle weather

83 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:07:27pm

re: #65 Charles

Good tip. I'll try to remember that one.

84 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:07:35pm

re: #78 Sharmuta

Thanks- I'll take a read at them.

There are also quite a few ravings from Spencer supporters there, yech.

85 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:08:24pm

re: #65 Charles

A lot of times, by the way, Google does have a cache of a page, even if it doesn't show up in the Google search results. Easiest way to get it is to use a search term like this:

cache:[URL]

With URL being the address of the page.

That definitely is good advice, thanks.

86 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:09:13pm

re: #68 Sharmuta

Because they cancelled days before the event.

and again, just hold it anyway even if it's rescheduled to another date. If they thought it was important enough to have it in the 1st place, don't let it get derailed by ONE person or group, years, months weeks days or hours in advance , RESHEDULE withOUT an invite going to Spencer

See , Spencer now wins if they do NOT hold the event, or if they hold it with him. The ONLY way he loses is if they hold it WITHOUT him

87 jvic  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:09:18pm

Look who logged in...

Hey, Ice! How are things on the Left? :-)

Hi, Ed.

88 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:10:01pm

re: #82 albusteve

it's 102deg in ABQ...12% humidity...good Shuttle weather

Currently 115.2 in downtown Phoenix, probably a chilly 113 in Mesa where I am. At least the humidity is low.....but, when it gets that hot, it's lethal either way. Remember to always hydrate before venturing our in the desert heat!

89 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:11:44pm

re: #88 Desert Dog

Currently 115.2 in downtown Phoenix, probably a chilly 113 in Mesa where I am. At least the humidity is low.....but, when it gets that hot, it's lethal either way. Remember to always hydrate before venturing our in the desert heat!

it's all the same after 212deg

90 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:13:19pm

re: #89 albusteve

it's all the same after 212deg

I will be moving to ABQ if it goes over 125......122 is the hottest I've been here. I was in Parker, AZ one day a few years back, that was 124. That is too friggin' hot.

91 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:14:50pm

depends on who your're with....

Youtube Video
92 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:16:13pm

re: #90 Desert Dog

I will be moving to ABQ if it goes over 125......122 is the hottest I've been here. I was in Parker, AZ one day a few years back, that was 124. That is too friggin' hot.

I was in Vegas one time....118 after dark....I'm a mid-westerner, fuck that

93 hazzyday  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:17:25pm

Robert Spencer has gone off the rails. I am a fan of his work. But he is unable to take an insult without going livid. It's gotten worse since he got into bed with Pamela Geller. His personal animosities are clouding out his scholarly work. Soon he'll be known for the former not the latter.

As for the people withdrawing. I doubt they know about the blog wars and did so because of Spencer's perceived association with questionable balkans. His light meglomania on Turkey is just fantasy but has roots in his past.

94 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:18:41pm

"Charles Johnson of that cesspool of lies and hate"

Mr. Spencer, I visit this site every day, What you describe above is never tolerated here.
I have seen mistakes, and when Charles makes them he corrects them.
He doesn't dance around them and make excuses, or try to bullshit his way out of it, maybe there is a lesson for you in that.
I also read as many of the comments as I can, and liars are not made to feel welcome here, nor are hateful idiots, racists , bigots or fascists.
I know very well, about the non scandal with the fauxtography you lead out with, it was never presented the way you wish to exploit it.
Your a small petty, and vindictive man.
I would pity you, but I cant, your out right lies, falsehoods and distortions prevent it.
Please put your head in its normal docking position.

95 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:19:29pm

re: #4 Erik The Red

Whats up with the two photos? Is RS accusing you of something?

It's pathetic. Spencer alleged that Charles mendaciously lied in a spreading mendacious lying falsehoods kind of way, because the picture of the two individuals he posted happened to have an altered background. Given that Charles only point in posting the pic was to demonstrate the association between the two individuals in the foreground, it's obvious Spencer is just grasping at straws in the most pathetic manner. It was enough to please his stupid fans though, of course.

96 Mithrax  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:19:31pm

Maybe Spencer got tired of all the pun threads? :)

97 realwest  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:20:03pm

Hey y'all - I'm gonna stick around but if any of you see pingjockey out here, would you PLEASE ask him to check his e-mail for one from me for today and to please contact me right away? Please?

Thank you all very much.

98 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:21:17pm

re: #96 Mithrax

Maybe Spencer got tired of all the pun threads? :)

he and I are alike in that regard...for Spencer they repeat to often

99 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:21:45pm

I have never been to that site, and I no longer go to atlas..

So, I do not understand some things. I get it that pam and this idiot are willing to embrace skinheads in order to get to islamofascists and show them for who they really are...

But, I see skinheads as the same sort of people as the islamofascists, just with a fifferent frosting.

How do they justify embracing such people to achive the goals?
Really, I wouldnt want to be under the thumb of either group, why would they?..(add in the far left like mama moonbat belongs to in there too.)

100 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:21:51pm

re: #96 Mithrax

Maybe Spencer got tired of all the pun threads? :)

He has grown tired of rational thought as well it would seem.

101 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:22:35pm

re: #90 Desert Dog

I will be moving to ABQ if it goes over 125......122 is the hottest I've been here. I was in Parker, AZ one day a few years back, that was 124. That is too friggin' hot.

Iworked in Bullhead City for a few years. Worked at night in the summer. In the afternoon I would repair and prep our machinery (concrete pumps) for the next night in an open gravel yard..
After repeated begging for a shop I put one of those 160 deg thermometers on the side of one of the pumps. It read 146. Isent a pic to my boss in CA and he replied "Thats in the middle of the day in a white gravel yard on a dark colored pump". I replied' where do you think I am' I finally got some shade 2 weeks later.

102 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:22:45pm

Ok, from the open letter re: Spencer we have this:

Mr. Spencer in fact goes as far as to equate Islam with fascism. According to him,

The misbegotten term “Islamo-fascism” is wholly redundant: Islam itself is a kind of fascism that achieves its full and proper form only when it assumes the powers of the state.” (www.jihadwatch.com/islam101

The text at that link was not written by Spencer, it was written by Gregory Davis. I read it. I did not see the words 'islamofacism' or 'facism' anywhere in it. It is simply background on Islam.

These people made the right move for the wrong reason. Spencer is good on the threat of Islam. The problem is he can't see the forest for the trees when it comes to our current day facists.

As for the fauxtography that Spencer claims Charles was duped by (I never saw either photo on this site, but then I don't visit every day, so I don't know which photo he ran, if either) - Spencer misses the point. IT WAS STILL DEWINTER AND BEISICHT SHAKING HANDS.

What I'm missing - and maybe I'm expecting too much from Spencer - is how he connects Charles to this library brouhaha.

But I remember the few times Spencer joined us here and I engaged him. His ecquivocation re: the european facist groups was disturbing, to say the least (and I'm sure Charles could find those threads/posts). He did, finally, write something on his site that seemed a clear repudiation of them and then - he can't see the problem with Geller or GOV and any of of their buds.

The man has a serious disconnect somewhere.

103 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:23:20pm

Well looks like we have an unhappy customer by the name of 'williewonka'. Don't be shy now - speak up and get it off your chest.

104 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:23:33pm

re: #101 poteen

Iworked in Bullhead City for a few years. Worked at night in the summer. In the afternoon I would repair and prep our machinery (concrete pumps) for the next night in an open gravel yard..
After repeated begging for a shop I put one of those 160 deg thermometers on the side of one of the pumps. It read 146. Isent a pic to my boss in CA and he replied "Thats in the middle of the day in a white gravel yard on a dark colored pump". I replied' where do you think I am' I finally got some shade 2 weeks later.

Along the river is bad......it cools down a little more at night, but those days are something else.

105 Salamantis  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:24:32pm

Charles is Spencer's Dubya; for Spencer, everything that happens to him is Charles' fault, even when it's nobody's fault, or when it's somebody else's fault, or when it's Spencer's own fault.

106 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:24:43pm

re: #104 Desert Dog

Along the river is bad......it cools down a little more at night, but those days are something else.

imagine that at 5-6000ft....sear

107 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:25:18pm

re: #102 wahabicorridor

As for the fauxtography that Spencer claims Charles was duped by (I never saw either photo on this site, but then I don't visit every day, so I don't know which photo he ran, if either) - Spencer misses the point. IT WAS STILL DEWINTER AND BEISICHT SHAKING HANDS.

And Spencer knows that - he isn't stupid. He's knowingly, cynically misleading his followers with a very obvious misdirection.

108 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:26:20pm

re: #93 hazzyday

His light meglomania on Turkey is just fantasy but has roots in his past.

I need a clue, please. What about Spencer and Turkey?

109 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:26:23pm

re: #102 wahabicorridor

Part of robert's issue is that CAIR has recently cited LGF as a source in their criticisms of robert. So- if CAIR is involved in pressuring the ALA- it's Charles' fault, in robert's mind. Oh- and pamela's- she's shrieking about this too

110 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:26:33pm

All this is sleep indu ZZZZZZzzzz

111 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:27:25pm

re: #107 Charles
What is in this for them...the guy says he gets no hits and atlas hits must have fallen like a paralyzed falcon..

Who do they think they are fooling?

112 poteen  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:27:38pm

re: #104 Desert Dog

Death valley's got nothing on that river corridor. Bullhead ,Needles Havasu.

Don Laughlin supposedly told the Laughlin Bank, who had a time temp. sign at the time to never let it show over 110. That was the temp when people would not come to the river.

113 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:27:52pm

re: #107 Charles

And Spencer knows that - he isn't stupid. He's knowingly, cynically misleading his followers with a very obvious misdirection.

And many people who read Spencer aren't stupid either. They'll see it.

114 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:28:46pm

re: #113 wahabicorridor

And many people who read Spencer aren't stupid either. They'll see it.

Just the rabid sycophants he and pamela have.

115 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:29:23pm

re: #109 Sharmuta

Oh- and pamela's- she's shrieking about this too

Everybody's good at something and she's had enough practice to make her one of the best.

Uh oh. Mocha frappacino ice cream is calling my name - be right back.

116 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:29:33pm

re: #113 wahabicorridor

And many people who read Spencer aren't stupid either. They'll see it.

It gets bizarre when rational people see the lie and let it stand.

117 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:29:39pm

re: #107 Charles

And Spencer knows that - he isn't stupid. He's knowingly, cynically misleading his followers with a very obvious misdirection.

Those pictures were discussed at great length here.
You were not misleading at any point.
Mr. Spencer, is a blatant liar.

118 Racer X  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:29:51pm

Robert who?

119 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:30:09pm

re: #117 DEZes

I remember them..made sense to me

120 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:32:45pm

re: #119 quiet man

I remember them..made sense to me

Spencer wants people to believe We were a bunch of dupes.
That dog wont hunt.

121 Racer X  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:32:52pm

re: #69 sadhu

waiting for the shuttle launch at -- should be able to see it
weather not encouraging

[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

Safari did not like that link at all. Went boom. Big boom.

122 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:33:32pm

re: #114 Sharmuta

Just the rabid sycophants he and pamela have.

All they hear is the worthless applause of their sycophants. It just encourages them to be more and more idiotic. Halfway through this latest rant, I actually thought Spencer was going to start calling Charles 'Kid Icarus'.

123 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:33:55pm

re: #108 wahabicorridor

I need a clue, please. What about Spencer and Turkey?

He joined a genocidal facebook group that called for the "reconquista" of Anatolia- then blamed Charles for it:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

124 zombie  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:34:34pm

re: #41 Sharmuta

I don't think Robert Spencer cares- he's attacked Charles for months now. And I think Charles has every right to fire back when the attack is as stupid and petty as this. I know at other times Charles has ignored the attacks, but this is just dumb- and contrived.

I wasn't talking about Charles in my comment -- I was talking about the people who obsess (negatively) over Charles.

Obviously, Charles doesn't "spend his days writing obsessively about" his stalkers. And yet his stalkers spend their days writing obsessively about Charles.

Sorry if my comment was mis-interpretable.

125 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:35:28pm

re: #114 Sharmuta

Just the rabid sycophants he and pamela have.

The drool on their keyboards must be a disgusting sight.

126 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:35:28pm

Some pretty cool stuff here....
10 Wind Turbines That Push the Limits of Design

127 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:35:30pm

re: #107 Charles

And Spencer knows that - he isn't stupid. He's knowingly, cynically misleading his followers with a very obvious misdirection.

I used to like reading his stuff....he was usually dead on when it came to Islamic radicals. He seems to have forgotten that you are known by the company you keep. If you hang around with racists and neo-nazis?.....well, what can one gather from that?

128 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:35:39pm

re: #120 DEZes

People here are sharp as hell and on top of the news like few other places.
But skinheads/white supremes? Who with a mind can accept such?

129 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:36:21pm

re: #123 Sharmuta

Thanks, Sharm, reading now............

130 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:37:04pm

re: #124 zombie

That is why they are stalkers..they obsess and seethe all day...its a skill to be able to maintain that level

/sarc

131 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:37:46pm

re: #128 quiet man

People here are sharp as hell and on top of the news like few other places.
But skinheads/white supremes? Who with a mind can accept such?

I take it thats a rhetorical question. ;)

132 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:37:49pm

You know, I love this age. Here I am, sitting in Europe, Germany to be exact, and I watch a couple of Americans go at each other over the internets. Globalisation hu akhbar.

133 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:38:08pm

re: #124 zombie

I wasn't talking about Charles in my comment -- I was talking about the people who obsess (negatively) over Charles.

Obviously, Charles doesn't "spend his days writing obsessively about" his stalkers. And yet his stalkers spend their days writing obsessively about Charles.

Sorry if my comment was mis-interpretable.

It was mis-interpretable, but thanks for clarifying. Downding removed.

134 quiet man  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:38:21pm

whoops..BBl BBQ is PDQ and shovel ready

135 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:39:55pm

re: #132 mrbaracuda

You know, I love this age. Here I am, sitting in Europe, Germany to be exact, and I watch a couple of Americans go at each other over the internets. Globalisation hu akhbar.

Callahan in in Deutschland as well.....what part of Germany?

136 realwest  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:40:44pm

WOW - I just finished reading Robert Spencer's rant and I gotta say, IMHO, he needs help, as in professional help.
Good lord, the ENTIRE point of that photo was to show that the two men KNOW each other - where it was taken is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT!
And we all know that Spencer knows that; that he tenaciously sticks to his libel about Charles on that point alone would be sufficient reason to seek help; that he continues to blame Charles for all of his problems BECAUSE SPENCER MADE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION TO JOIN FORCES WITH THE WHITE SUPREMACISTS IN EUROPE would indicate to me that he needs long term professional care.

137 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:41:17pm

re: #123 Sharmuta

HA! Now I remember - that 'Charles duped me' meme reminds me of another narcissistic loser who gave a classic one-liner to America: "The bitch set me up".

LOL!

138 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:41:37pm

re: #136 realwest

Agreed.

Sup Mr. Realwest?

139 J.S.  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:41:45pm

re: #107 Charles

I think one of the more hilarious (ok, not so much for those maligned) aspects is Spencer's claim about Charles being pro-neo-nazi 'cause a Canadian website linked LGF in a list of websites! And, by extension that would make a whole host of other sites also neo-nazis (like the CBC, CBS, CNN, the Washington Post, etc., etc.) lol... You gotta know you're desperate when such laughable claims are made.

140 brookly red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:42:35pm

re: #137 wahabicorridor

HA! Now I remember - that 'Charles duped me' meme reminds me of another narcissistic loser who gave a classic one-liner to America: "The bitch set me up".

LOL!

& that one was just busted again, I think...

141 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:43:11pm

re: #136 realwest

he needs long term professional care.

malignant narcissism is not curable. I'm not sure, given the few I've known, it's even treatable.

142 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:43:32pm

re: #135 Desert Dog

Callahan in in Deutschland as well.....what part of Germany?

Callahan? I'm in North Rhine Westphalia / East Westphalia. I like to call it the Midwest-North of Germany, heh. Here, have a look if need be Image: nrw.gif I am in that NE tip-area.

143 ted  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:44:02pm

Spencer really went off the deep end.

144 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:44:05pm

re: #140 brookly red

& that one was just busted again, I think...

and cleared...........well, the charges were dropped anyway.

145 realwest  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:45:15pm

re: #124 zombie
Hi Zombie - I'm sorry if anyone misread your comment too - I've been fast scanning this thread in an attempt to catch up and even with fast scanning it was pretty obvious to me what you meant.
Not to mention the fact that I find it difficult for anyone to think you wouldn't defend Charles against obnoxious, wrong and libelous statements.

146 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:45:23pm

re: #136 realwest

WOW - I just finished reading Robert Spencer's rant and I gotta say, IMHO, he needs help, as in professional help.
Good lord, the ENTIRE point of that photo was to show that the two men KNOW each other - where it was taken is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT!

The funniest thing is, it can't be real anyway, because it would be very strange for those two characters to be photographed in peace in front of a demonstration of German "antifascists".

147 brookly red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:46:00pm

re: #144 wahabicorridor

and cleared...........well, the charges were dropped anyway.

oh well, he will always be in the top 10.

148 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:47:05pm

Hey, this place is a cesspool of lies and hate! I never knew, wow. We're also frenzied and nakedly mendacious! Yeah! I (heart) being nakedly mendacious!

149 brookly red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:48:25pm

re: #148 BigPapa

Hey, this place is a cesspool of lies and hate! I never knew, wow. We're also frenzied and nakedly mendacious! Yeah! I (heart) being nakedly mendacious!


mendacious? awww crap, now I gotta go to websters...

150 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:49:24pm

re: #149 brookly red

mendacious? awww crap, now I gotta go to websters...

It's Spencers favourite word.

151 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:49:50pm

re: #148 BigPapa

Hey, this place is a cesspool of lies and hate! I never knew, wow. We're also frenzied and nakedly mendacious! Yeah! I (heart) being nakedly mendacious!

Please put some pants on.

152 realwest  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:50:19pm

re: #138 DEZes
Hey DEZes - well I just dropped by - mom's almost through fixing dinner - to see if I could find pingjockey and then read Charles' into to this thread and Holy Smokes. I meant it when I said Spencer has really gone off the rails (actually I think he went of the rails quite a while ago, but he sure hasn't had any luck finding 'em again - maybe he should open his eye and LOOK for 'em! LOL!
I hoe your'e doing well!

153 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:51:43pm

I don't care if it is hot. Nobody wants to see a naked mendacioner. Get those lizard suits on.... and zip em up damn it!

154 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:52:19pm

You can see my post 94 to see my view of Spencer.
He should read it.

And I am fine, and I hope you enjoy dinner.

155 brookly red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:53:14pm

re: #150 Jimmah

It's Spencers favourite word.

Well, I just learned a new word, how cool is that... and I can think of several places I can use it ;)

156 realwest  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:54:04pm

re: #142 mrbaracuda No, one of our LGFer's - and a friend of Desert Dog, a lot of other postes and a good friend of mine, is nicnamed Callahan 23! That's what he meant!

157 Alcove-One  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:55:09pm

Robert Spencer sounds rational and interested in debating his critics.
What's the beef?

158 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:55:36pm

re: #156 realwest

Ya, what he said! :-)

159 realwest  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:57:02pm

re: #146 mrbaracuda
Oh yeah, that photograph is real insofar as the "good buddy" handshake between them goes. The background is irrelevent to the point Charles was making AND SPENCER KNOWS IT.

160 freetoken  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:57:41pm

re: #157 Alcove-One

Robert Spencer sounds rational ...

hmmmmm......

161 realwest  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:58:09pm

re: #157 Alcove-One
I sure hope you forgot the sarc tag there.

162 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:58:19pm

re: #157 Alcove-One

Robert Spencer sounds rational and interested in debating his critics.
What's the beef?

Ack!

163 callahan23  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:58:26pm

re: #135 Desert Dog

Callahan in in Deutschland as well.....what part of Germany?

Here I am ( rock you like a hurricane)

Wah, what? Did someone call my name.
;-D

164 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:58:27pm

re: #94 DEZes

I have seen mistakes, and when Charles makes them he corrects them.

On the topic of mistakes; I mailed Charles about this before but haven't gotten a response yet (must've been quite some time now; months). I think Spencer really wasn't "in the know" about that convention in Cologne or agreed to participate. From what I know, some (I may be mistaken, but at least Le Pen didn't) of the participants listed on pro-Köln's site for the convention before the latest one didn't even know they were listed, nor did they know anything about pro-Köln. Not particularly a good thing to get on that list in the first place though.

165 rightside  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:58:52pm

BREAKING: kim jon il has been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, according to S Korean TV.

166 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:59:14pm

re: #157 Alcove-One

Robert Spencer sounds rational and interested in debating his critics.
What's the beef?

? Care to expand on that or did you forget the sarc tag?

167 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:59:44pm

re: #163 callahan23

We have another German here now: Mr. Baracuda

168 rightside  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:59:46pm

re: #165 rightside

kim jong il*

PIMF

169 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 4:59:54pm

re: #163 callahan23

Here I am ( rock you like a hurricane)

Wah, what? Did someone call my name.
;-D

(Callahan)

170 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:00:14pm

re: #157 Alcove-One

Robert Spencer sounds rational and interested in debating his critics.
What's the beef?

The people invited to the ALA event didn't want to associate with him. That is their right- to freely associate with who they will, or not. Robert has no one to blame for his reputation but himself.

171 dmandman  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:00:24pm

re: #157 Alcove-One

Unfortunately for Spencer there is no middle ground....you either agree with him 100% or you an adversary. And if you are prominent in any way he will take very personally. He may have some good ideas, but he is suffering from an academic version of a mental disorder that leaders of large corporations often come down with. They are constantly being told how brilliant they are and after awhile they start believing there own press. After that any contradiction, no matter how slight is a Machiavellian plot to destroy.

172 brookly red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:00:43pm

re: #165 rightside

BREAKING: kim jon il has been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, according to S Korean TV.

something to prove & noting to lose is a dangerous mix...

173 yochanan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:01:01pm

re: #165 rightside

die MF'ER DIE and take the DPRK with you

174 realwest  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:01:15pm

re: #154 DEZes
Hey there DEZes! Just read it and wow, great post! (wished I'd thought to say that first!). I'm glad to hear that you are well and I will enjoy my dinner (although it's STILL 90 degrees here in N.C., so a hot meal is out of the question!)!

175 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:01:24pm

re: #157 Alcove-One

We have already seen how Mr. Spencer debates, lying about his critics.

176 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:01:26pm

re: #156 realwest

Thought as much. I don't frequent the comment section often; usually it goes about so rapidly it's very hard to keep up.

177 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:01:49pm

re: #164 mrbaracuda

On the topic of mistakes; I mailed Charles about this before but haven't gotten a response yet (must've been quite some time now; months). I think Spencer really wasn't "in the know" about that convention in Cologne or agreed to participate. From what I know, some (I may be mistaken, but at least Le Pen didn't) of the participants listed on pro-Köln's site for the convention before the latest one didn't even know they were listed, nor did they know anything about pro-Köln. Not particularly a good thing to get on that list in the first place though.

Perhaps you will get Charles attention now.

178 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:02:31pm

re: #165 rightside

BREAKING: kim jon il has been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, according to S Korean TV.

That's too bad....I hope it takes a long slow time to kill him off (with extra suffering and pain). Judging by the last photo saw of him, he was diagnosed quite a while ago. He is looking pretty frail.

I wonder what will happen once Dear Leader departs earth for his new home in eternal hellfire? More of the same? Or, will cracks start appearing?

179 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:02:39pm

What happens when a ranting paranoid NWO obsessed mentalist spots a helicopter near his house?

Youtube Video
180 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:03:04pm

re: #164 mrbaracuda

Then why is mr spencer defending people who lied about him?

181 rightside  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:03:08pm

From reuters, pancreatic cancer diagnosed in lil kim.

He's so ronery. Bye now!

182 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:03:08pm

re: #163 callahan23

Here I am ( rock you like a hurricane)

Wah, what? Did someone call my name.
;-D

Well, since the projection of the callahan logo into the clouds didn't work, we had to use antiquated means of contacting you. ;D

183 swamprat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:03:15pm

re: #165 rightside

BREAKING: kim jon il has been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, according to S Korean TV.


kim jon ill

you should not speak ill of the soon-to-be-departed;

he's ill

good

184 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:03:34pm

re: #174 realwest

Hey there DEZes! Just read it and wow, great post! (wished I'd thought to say that first!). I'm glad to hear that you are well and I will enjoy my dinner (although it's STILL 90 degrees here in N.C., so a hot meal is out of the question!)!

Thanks for the kind words, you are indeed a gentleman.

185 brookly red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:04:28pm

re: #178 Desert Dog

That's too bad....I hope it takes a long slow time to kill him off (with extra suffering and pain). Judging by the last photo saw of him, he was diagnosed quite a while ago. He is looking pretty frail.

I wonder what will happen once Dear Leader departs earth for his new home in eternal hellfire? More of the same? Or, will cracks start appearing?

well let us hope he dosn't want to go out with a bang.

186 rightside  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:04:31pm

re: #173 yochanan

lol, is that the lil kim clause in Charles' rule about advocating violence?

187 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:04:48pm

re: #184 DEZes

Thanks for the kind words, you are indeed a gentleman.

Get a room, you two! ;)

188 realwest  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:05:05pm

re: #163 callahan23
Hi there callahan! There's someone else from Germany here, a mrbaracuda though I still haven't been able to pin him down as friend or foe - see his number 164. Anyway, it's good to see you!

189 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:05:11pm

re: #187 FurryOldGuyJeans

Get a room, you two! ;)

You in?

190 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:05:18pm

re: #180 Sharmuta

Then why is mr spencer defending people who lied about him?

Insanity? If Spencer's comment is as bizarre as Charles says here, and I have no doubt it is, and judging from some of the responses here, he might very well be on the verge of insanity. ;)

Apart from that, selling books.

191 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:06:32pm

re: #189 DEZes

He might be buying! ;)

192 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:06:47pm

re: #185 brookly red

That stuff eats you up....in the end, you are not there anymore. I watched a friend's mom succumb to that horrible disease. She was 80 lbs and incoherent when she died. Most cancer deaths are like that.....cruel and painful.

But, you never know about that asshole....he might want to nuke someone before he kicks off.

193 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:07:13pm

re: #191 Floral Giraffe

He might be buying! ;)

LOL, Furry is cool.

194 callahan23  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:07:17pm

re: #182 mrbaracuda

Well, since the projection of the callahan logo into the clouds didn't work, we had to use antiquated means of contacting you. ;D

I just came by and saw that my name was posted. Pure coincidence.

195 realwest  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:07:43pm

re: #184 DEZes

Thanks for the kind words, you are indeed a gentleman.


and you are indeed a person of fine and discriminating taste in friends! Thanks for the compliment but I meant it, that was a damn good comment you made.

196 dmandman  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:08:33pm

re: #183 swamprat

Well that's what my motherinlaw passed from about a year ago. It isn't pretty and if they don't manage the pain correctly it can be pretty awful. I am afraid he is getting a little taste of the hereafter right now. Are they going re-dedicate the temples of worship to his son soon? Also, have the new prayers appeared yet asking for devine guidance from the 3 rather the 2 Kims?

197 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:08:39pm

re: #179 Jimmah

What happens when a ranting paranoid NWO obsessed mentalist spots a helicopter near his house?

Because we all know the NWO cannot send a car over. No, we (ooops!) don't mind the cost, since we suck the money right out of the sheeple anyway.

Hehe, NWO obsessed people are my favourite pastime. I run a whole blog about those lunatics. But it's gotten stale now, ever since Bush-Dictator didn't manifest and they had to switch over to Obama.

198 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:08:44pm

re: #190 mrbaracuda

I don't think he's insane- I think he's vested in his own interests. Everything was just fine until some of us noticed he wasn't playing fairly and squarely. Now he wants to discredit his critics instead of flying straight. That speaks volumes to me, and I don't think I'm alone.

199 callahan23  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:09:30pm

re: #188 realwest

Hi there callahan! There's someone else from Germany here, a mrbaracuda though I still haven't been able to pin him down as friend or foe - see his number 164. Anyway, it's good to see you!

Haven't figured it out myself.
Hope you are well my friend. (realwest)

200 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:09:30pm

re: #198 Sharmuta

Your far from alone.

201 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:09:53pm

re: #183 swamprat

kim jon ill

you should not speak ill of the soon-to-be-departed;

he's ill

good

He's just a dericate wittle fwower

202 freetoken  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:10:39pm

Doesn't look like we will get a follow-on from Alcove-one......

203 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:10:39pm

re: #157 Alcove-One

Robert Spencer sounds rational and interested in debating his critics.
What's the beef?

His critics like 'that libelblogger Charles Johnson?' Sheesh.

"....wrote a series of frenzied, nakedly mendacious posts...."
"His charges relied heavily upon one's accepting the existence of that great unicorn, the pro-Israel neo-Nazi, a strange animal that Johnson professes to see virtually everywhere."
".....the wretched Johnson....."

204 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:10:44pm

re: #201 Alouette

He's just a dericate wittle fwower

I have a bottle of roundup.

205 realwest  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:10:49pm

Well y'all mom just called out dinner and I don't want to be late!
Hope you all have a great evening and that I get the chance to see you all down the road tonight!

AND PLEASE - IF ANY OF Y'ALL SEE pingjockey PLEASE ASK HIM TO E-MAIL ME! Thanks a lot!

206 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:11:10pm

re: #200 DEZes

Your far from alone.

I know- I have Bruce Bawer for company, as well as a few other incredible Lizards. I just wish more folks with the stature of Mr Bawer would step forward.

207 swamprat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:11:43pm

re: #190 mrbaracuda

Insanity? If Spencer's comment is as bizarre as Charles says here, and I have no doubt it is, and judging from some of the responses here, he might very well be on the verge of insanity. ;)

Apart from that, selling books.

He seems a little stressed. Maybe he realizes his associations have tainted him in the academic circles he is so fond of.

too bad

208 wiffersnapper  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:12:19pm

Robert Spencer is a little crybaby.

209 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:13:17pm
210 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:13:39pm
211 callahan23  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:13:40pm

re: #94 DEZes

... Please put your head in its normal docking position.

That comment is superb and the closing remark is MM-genius worthy. (DEZes)

212 swamprat  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:13:49pm

re: #196 dmandman

A friend passed from that, and later a co worker. Relatively quick, but not nice.

213 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:14:23pm
214 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:14:27pm

re: #206 Sharmuta

I know- I have Bruce Bawer for company, as well as a few other incredible Lizards. I just wish more folks with the stature of Mr Bawer would step forward.

Did you know Bawer appeard on some very strange Australian (I think; "Shire Network News") (internert)-radio show? Here, let me give you the link to it [Link: snnsite.com...]

I felt a little sorry for Bawer, since he sounded like he would break into tears any moment now.

215 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:15:18pm

re: #209 taxfreekiller

Harry Reid, un-elect him asap.

re: #210 taxfreekiller

Nancy Pelosi, un-elect her asap.

tfk. How do you un-elect someone? When are they do for re-election?

216 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:15:53pm

re: #207 swamprat

He seems a little stressed. Maybe he realizes his associations have tainted him in the academic circles he is so fond of.

too bad

Another possiblity is he stared too long into the abyss. You know what they say about staring into the abyss for too long, don't you?

217 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:16:45pm

re: #211 callahan23

Thanks buddy.
It was an honest post.
How you getting along?

218 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:17:24pm

re: #212 swamprat

A friend passed from that, and later a co worker. Relatively quick, but not nice.

Very sorry for your loss.

219 rightside  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:17:37pm

re: #215 Erik The Red

I am surprised no one tries to run against those two clowns, and try to out-liberal them. Campaign on ending the Iraq war, throwing Boooosh in jail with warcrimes, etc. Whip the LLL into a frenzy, get elected, and the most conservative person in CA or NV ever! LOL

220 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:18:03pm

re: #215 Erik The Red

tfk. How do you un-elect someone? When are they do for re-election?

Well, We can get Hugo Chavez to send over some ballots and have ourselves a little extra-curricular election? Or, we could wait and toss the bums out. Reid can be beat, Nevada is not totally liberal....Nancy is another story. For most of her constituents, she not liberal enough! Her seat is pretty safe.

We can all dream though, can't we?

221 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:18:32pm

re: #188 realwest

Hi there callahan! There's someone else from Germany here, a mrbaracuda though I still haven't been able to pin him down as friend or foe - see his number 164. Anyway, it's good to see you!

What does it say on your heads up display once you get a lock on me? :D
#164 is just a possibility, you know. Nothing I care about too much. Just came to mind. It could explain part of the story. But as I said, not exactly a good thing to get on the invitations list either way.

222 callahan23  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:19:04pm

re: #217 DEZes

Not bad, could be better. Thanks for asking. I hope everything to be happy-go-lucky with you.

223 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:19:45pm

re: #215 Erik The Red

tfk. How do you un-elect someone? When are they do for re-election?

Congress is every 2 years

Senators are every 6, but they're spread out, meaning not ALL 100 senators ran this year and then not for another 6.

224 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:20:01pm

re: #212 swamprat

A friend passed from that, and later a co worker. Relatively quick, but not nice.

How does it affect one's thought process in regards to having your finger on a button saying "Seoul" and "Missile Launch" in Korean?

225 dmandman  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:20:23pm

re: #219 rightside

The democrat party elites have made deals with Acorn and such to be enforcement wing of the party. This was after the collapse of the Klan in the 60's and it guarantees them offices for life. The primary system is totally locked down by the activists and the unions, outsiders just can't get in.

226 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:21:01pm

Robert Spencer preformed quite the little song and dance routine to keep Charles and others off his little trail of fascist apologia. Always telling Charles he agreed- these people should be looked into, etc, etc. In the meantime- he was carrying on as he always had. It wasn't until people started noticing robert was playing both sides of the field that any issues arose. And then the mask fell completely. He's been attacking Charles and LGF ever since.

For me, I learned that those who tap dance around fascists are not trustworthy.

227 Macker  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:21:11pm

re: #186 rightside

lol, is that the lil kim clause in Charles' rule about advocating violence?

Remember what he did to Hans Brix:

Youtube Video
228 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:21:27pm

re: #223 sattv4u2

Congress is every 2 years

Senators are every 6, but they're spread out, meaning not ALL 100 senators ran this year and then not for another 6.

The entire House every 2 years, one third of the Senate at the same time.

229 snowcrash  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:21:51pm

re: #94 DEZes
Hi DEZ, very nice post.

230 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:22:16pm

Kim Jong Ill has pancreatic cancer!

231 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:22:20pm

re: #229 snowcrash

Hi DEZ, very nice post.

Thanks, and hi back atcha. ;)

232 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:22:50pm

re: #228 FurryOldGuyJeans

The entire House every 2 years, one third of the Senate at the same time.

Thats what I said , only not as clear!

Wassamattafa-u!

233 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:23:25pm

re: #230 TheMatrix31

Kim Jong Ill has pancreatic cancer!

1st time in my life I've ever wanted to root cor the cancer!

234 Gus  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:24:30pm

Back.

What's all of that gelatinous meat like substance on the floor?

Did someone's head explode?

///

235 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:24:50pm

re: #222 callahan23

Not bad, could be better. Thanks for asking. I hope everything to be happy-go-lucky with you.

My head felt like a football this morning. ;)

236 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:25:24pm

re: #232 sattv4u2

Thats what I said , only not as clear!

Wassamattafa-u!

Well, Congress is both the House and the Senate. ;)

237 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:25:33pm

re: #228 FurryOldGuyJeans

The entire House every 2 years[...]

Which is a lovely thing in my opinion.

238 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:25:34pm

re: #225 dmandman

The democrat party elites have made deals with Acorn and such to be enforcement wing of the party. This was after the collapse of the Klan in the 60's and it guarantees them offices for life. The primary system is totally locked down by the activists and the unions, outsiders just can't get in.

Obama really jumped ahead in the caucus states.....Iowa, Texas, etc because he was way more organized and motivated. He also did well enough in the states he lost because of the proportionality of the democrat primary system. McCain won so fast because the Republicans still use the all or nothing system.

What Obama did was create a grassroots machine with those groups you list above. To beat him, the Republicans should study and take notes on how Obama did it......Even if the economy is in the tank and people blame Obama, he will still perform well in an election because he has a system set up to do just that........

239 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:25:37pm

re: #235 DEZes

My head felt like a football this morning. ;)

leathery and kicked with white laces on it !

240 Gus  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:26:24pm

re: #235 DEZes

My head felt like a football this morning. ;)

Mine feels like a whiffle ball right about now.

//Lots of holes.

241 callahan23  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:26:34pm

re: #235 DEZes

My head felt like a football this morning. ;)

Little and green?
;-) I can relate, headache is a frequent visitor in my cranium.

242 Empire1  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:27:02pm

OT
I've been waiting for an open thread, but no such luck, so I venture to pass along my happy surprise here ... I think I waited long enough in the thread, at least.

Not trying overly hard for mileage, my "new" car got 56.5 mpg on its first test!

Whee whoopee, I guess my stick shift skills weren't totally atrophied!

243 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:27:36pm

re: #237 mrbaracuda

Which is a lovely thing in my opinion.

Not really. I was never in favor of term limits, but the way it is now they (congressmen) are ALWAYS running for re-election. The founding fathers would be aghast if they found out that some in congress have made a career out of it

244 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:27:39pm

re: #241 callahan23

Little and green?
;-) I can relate, headache is a frequent visitor in my cranium.

My brother had a party last night.
I partook a lil much. ;)

245 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:27:44pm

re: #197 mrbaracuda

Because we all know the NWO cannot send a car over. No, we (ooops!) don't mind the cost, since we suck the money right out of the sheeple anyway.

Hehe, NWO obsessed people are my favourite pastime. I run a whole blog about those lunatics. But it's gotten stale now, ever since Bush-Dictator didn't manifest and they had to switch over to Obama.

You might be interested in this excellent documentary first screened a couple of weeks ago - BBC Conspiracy Files - 7/7:

[Link: www.disclose.tv...]

The 'denouement' - where they reveal the identity/character of 'Muad Dib' - the 'mysterious' author of conspiracy video '7/7 The Ripple Effect' is truly hilarious. Kook heads have been popping all over the place.

246 J.S.  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:27:49pm

One of the problems with Spencer (a long time ago, I attributed this to simply not knowing any better) is that when he starts into his "critique" of Islam, many of those reading/listening in Europe make certain inferences. The first is that, in Europe, there are state censors...they don't have a First Amendment...so, they're "practiced" in the art of double speak (it's akin to Clinton's "I did not have sex with that woman"...and, when cornered, retorting: "It all depends on what the definition of "is" is...") I think we (seemingly most adult readers of Spencer) can safely conclude that Spencer hates/reviles the religion of Islam. It's as if he's in a debate, and the debate resolution is: "Resolved, Islam is a religion beyond redemption." And, he's under the belief that it's his personal "mission" to argue on behalf of the Affirmative. (reminds me of that "My Uncle Napoleon") (Seriously, can anyone imagine Robert Spencer saying something "nice" about Islam? It's just not his "thing.") Anyway, I also can't imagine Spencer going to some event to discuss something about Islam -- beyond the stereotypes of Islam...I mean, what would Spencer have to say? (other than to act as a counter-weight to the other attendees, with Spencer reaffirming existing memes, such as "Muslims hate women; Muslims are homophobic; Muslims are violent; Muslims are fanatics; etc, etc." and then quoting the Koran to "document" his claims...)

247 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:27:50pm

re: #238 Desert Dog

Obama really jumped ahead in the caucus states.....Iowa, Texas, etc because he was way more organized and motivated

And because Mark Penn completely fucked up and ignored those states. I'll bet Hillary still wants to hang him by the balls.

248 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:28:39pm

re: #244 DEZes

My brother had a party last night.
I partook a lil much. ;)

or not enough. Best hangover remedy ,., STAY DRUNK!

249 snowcrash  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:29:00pm

re: #242 Empire1
Are you a hypermiler?

250 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:29:29pm

re: #248 sattv4u2

or not enough. Best hangover remedy ,., STAY DRUNK!

I have a hair of the dog. ;)

251 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:30:25pm

re: #250 DEZes

I have a hair of the dog. ;)

There are creams and salves for that now. I once had toe of the camel !

252 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:30:47pm

re: #243 sattv4u2

Not really. I was never in favor of term limits, but the way it is now they (congressmen) are ALWAYS running for re-election. The founding fathers would be aghast if they found out that some in congress have made a career out of it

It wouldn't be so bad if the House members truly represented the number of people as outlined in the Constitution, which would mean more House members.

253 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:30:58pm

re: #245 Jimmah

Shit. That website - 'Disclose TV(truth revealed)' specialises in troof videos of every description. It was the only place online I could find this video though.

254 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:31:09pm

re: #243 sattv4u2

Not really. I was never in favor of term limits, but the way it is now they (congressmen) are ALWAYS running for re-election. The founding fathers would be aghast if they found out that some in congress have made a career out of it

That certainly is a problem, but it shouldn't be too hard for for someone who is well respected in his position to just do his job and get re-elected. At least in theory. May I adjust my opinion and just say that electing them directly is a lovely thing? We can argue about the term limits later. :D

255 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:31:10pm

re: #251 sattv4u2

There are creams and salves for that now. I once had toe of the camel !

Man, that pool must have been COLD.

/

256 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:31:12pm

re: #251 sattv4u2

There are creams and salves for that now. I once had toe of the camel !

(((( geeeezz , 11 hours alone here at work REALLY starts getting to me !)))

257 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:31:29pm

re: #251 sattv4u2

There are creams and salves for that now. I once had toe of the camel !

Was that painful?
///

258 Lynn B.  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:31:39pm

re: #214 mrbaracuda

Did you know Bawer appeard on some very strange Australian (I think; "Shire Network News") (internert)-radio show? Here, let me give you the link to it [Link: snnsite.com...]

I felt a little sorry for Bawer, since he sounded like he would break into tears any moment now.

What's strange about SNN? I think it's a great pod-cast. They did an interview with Filip Dewinter shortly after Charles first started expressing concerns about Vlaams Belang that basically blew his facade wide open.

259 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:32:06pm

re: #257 DEZes

Was that painful?
///

Not for me ,., but you'll have to ask her!

260 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:32:20pm

re: #255 OldLineTexan

Man, that pool must have been COLD.

/

and deep too!

261 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:32:22pm

re: #259 sattv4u2

Not for me ,., but you'll have to ask her!

LOL.

262 Empire1  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:33:05pm

re: #249 snowcrash

Are you a hypermiler?

Um, since I don't know what that is, I don't think so -- I was driving pretty normally for someone getting re-accustmed to a stick shift. But the car may be; it's a '91 Geo Metro, 1-liter 3-cyl engine with a 5-speed manual transmission. Curb weight of 1650 pounds, so she's light, and also surprisingly peppy.

263 callahan23  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:33:19pm

re: #248 sattv4u2

or not enough. Best hangover remedy ,., STAY DRUNK!

Best hangover remedy is to drink at least two large glasses of water before going to bed drunk. Most of the headaches result from dehydration. A little salt in the water is not bad either up to the point of making one sick to the stomach. - My two cents.

264 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:33:52pm

re: #262 Empire1

Um, since I don't know what that is, I don't think so -- I was driving pretty normally for someone getting re-accustmed to a stick shift. But the car may be; it's a '91 Geo Metro, 1-liter 3-cyl engine with a 5-speed manual transmission. Curb weight of 1650 pounds, so she's light, and also surprisingly peppy.

My brother had one of those!

/don't get broadsided

/trust me on that

265 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:33:52pm

re: #263 callahan23

Best hangover remedy is to drink at least two large glasses of water before going to bed drunk. Most of the headaches result from dehydration. A little salt in the water is not bad either up to the point of making one sick to the stomach. - My two cents.

cool , but I like mine better!
//

266 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:34:13pm

re: #258 Lynn B.

What's strange about SNN? I think it's a great pod-cast. They did an interview with Filip Dewinter shortly after Charles first started expressing concerns about Vlaams Belang that basically blew his facade wide open.

Indeed- I don't know how anyone could listen to that interview and not conclude DeWinter is a fascist. It was devastating.

267 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:34:28pm

re: #245 Jimmah

The 'denouement' - where they reveal the identity/character of 'Muad Dib' - the 'mysterious' author of conspiracy video '7/7 The Ripple Effect' is truly hilarious. Kook heads have been popping all over the place.

Thank you for the link. I was looking forward to watching this, although I have heard they give the kooks too much leeway and air time for their nuttery. And yes, I have read about that guy. First when he sent his crap to a British court (handling part of the 7/7 attack I imagine; I don't recall this part) and was arrested for, what was it, something about unduly influencing the process?

268 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:34:54pm

re: #263 callahan23

Best hangover remedy is to drink at least two large glasses of water before going to bed drunk. Most of the headaches result from dehydration. A little salt in the water is not bad either up to the point of making one sick to the stomach. - My two cents.

re: #265 sattv4u2

((( btw , drink a glass of milk before going to sleep also, the alcohol sops up vitamin D in your system. The milk gives you a vitamin D boost))))

269 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:35:44pm

re: #237 mrbaracuda

Which is a lovely thing in my opinion.

It can be a wonderful thing. The problem today is these Representatives are looking to stay there permanently. In a two year cycle you spend as much time fundraising as you do "legislating". The little Princes in the Congress have also written laws which help them to stay in power, allow them to keep much of the money they raise for elections, and the spoils system of committees and earmarks has made being a Representative a meal ticket. Feathering their nests, bringing home as much pork as possible to the home district to ensure re-election and playing the old you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours is in place.

I like our system a lot, but it only works as well as the people running it.....sometimes, we are served poorly.

270 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:36:02pm

re: #263 callahan23

Best hangover remedy is to drink at least two large glasses of water before going to bed drunk

Caveat. Leave a light on, cuz you're gonna have to wake up and pee sooner or later. Walking into walls while hung over is dangerous.

/you're welcome

271 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:36:04pm

re: #262 Empire1

re: #264 OldLineTexan

My brother had one of those!

/don't get broadsided BY A GUST OF WIND

/trust me on that

ftfy

272 callahan23  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:36:24pm

re: #245 Jimmah

You might be interested in this excellent documentary first screened a couple of weeks ago - BBC Conspiracy Files - 7/7:

[Link: www.disclose.tv...]

The 'denouement' - where they reveal the identity/character of 'Muad Dib' - the 'mysterious' author of conspiracy video '7/7 The Ripple Effect' is truly hilarious. Kook heads have been popping all over the place.

Muad Dib - wasn't that the warrior name of Paul Atreides given to him by the Fremen in the SF-drama 'Dune' by Frank Herbert?

273 Empire1  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:36:38pm

re: #264 OldLineTexan

My brother had one of those!

/don't get broadsided

/trust me on that

I don't plan to! And I drive very carefully on the last about quarter-mile to the house, too, where deer crossing the road aren't uncommon -- the way the hood's shaped, if I hit one, it'd end up in my lap!

274 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:37:25pm

re: #271 sattv4u2

re: #264 OldLineTexan


ftfy

I dunno, it probably gets good mileage rolling, too.

/

275 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:37:42pm

re: #233 sattv4u2

1st time in my life I've ever wanted to root cor the cancer!

It's weird.....I didn't even intend to come across as 'rooting" for it, but LGF isn't letting me put question marks right before exclamation points.....wtf?

276 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:37:48pm

Ok, I'm gone, nite everyone!

(hang in there Charles!)

277 Empire1  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:38:02pm

re: #271 sattv4u2

re: #264 OldLineTexan

ftfy

LOL -- you're right! It's so light that side winds might cause involuntary lane changes.

But I still love it!

278 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:38:42pm

The Role of Government Affordable Housing Policy in Creating the Global Financial Crisis of 2008

/just because it was released by a Republican doesn't mean every word of it ain't true, an IBD endorsed must read

279 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:39:05pm

re: #273 Empire1

I don't plan to! And I drive very carefully on the last about quarter-mile to the house, too, where deer crossing the road aren't uncommon -- the way the hood's shaped, if I hit one, it'd end up in my lap!

If you hit a deer with that car it will get up and run away. You on the other hand.......

Please drive carefully in that thing. For me I would rather pay a little more in gas, but have more metal around me.

280 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:39:08pm

re: #272 callahan23

Sand worms....
Run.

281 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:40:06pm

re: #272 callahan23

Muad Dib - wasn't that the warrior name of Paul Atreides given to him by the Fremen in the SF-drama 'Dune' by Frank Herbert?

Yup.

282 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:40:18pm

re: #280 DEZes

Sand worms....
Run.

NO! Don't run. Walk like a native creature. Step, drag, pause, repeat!

283 callahan23  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:40:20pm

re: #280 DEZes

Shai hulud!
Shai hulud!
Shai hulud!

284 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:41:05pm

re: #282 Floral Giraffe

NO! Don't run. Walk like a native creature. Step, drag, pause, repeat!

Perhaps he is attempting to call a great Grandfather of the Desert ...

285 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:41:07pm

re: #282 Floral Giraffe

NO! Don't run. Walk like a native creature. Step, drag, pause, repeat!

Like a moonbat, gotcha.

286 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:41:45pm

re: #285 DEZes

Like a moonbat, gotcha.

No, to walk like Randi Rhodes you step, FALL, drag, pause, repeat!

/

287 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:42:26pm

re: #286 OldLineTexan

No, to walk like Randi Rhodes you step, FALL, drag, pause, repeat!

/

No, that's stagger, crawl, stagger, stagger, crawl, crawl, stagger.

288 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:42:28pm

re: #286 OldLineTexan

No, to walk like Randi Rhodes you step, FALL, drag, pause, repeat!

/

And then say I was beat up?

289 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:42:55pm

re: #286 OldLineTexan

No, to walk like Randi Rhodes you step, FALL, SWEAR LIKE A SAILOR, drag, pause, repeat!

/

ftfy

290 brookly red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:42:57pm

re: #285 DEZes

Like a moonbat, gotcha.

no, thats step, drag, pause, rant about Bush, repeat...

291 Gus  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:43:00pm

Spencer won't take any personal responsibility for his actions. Whether he cares to admit it or not, aligning himself with political organizations like pro-Koln will have repercussions somewhere along the road. Just as much as there as freedom of association there is also the freedom to disassociate.

No amount of projection, deflection or rationalization will remove the fact that he has made his own bed for this situation. He can try once again to blame Charles and utilize the petty and false argument that "Hamas backed CAIR" is using information from LGF to limit his public appearances -- his associations with neo-fascist European groups is no secret even in the world outside of the internet. Furthermore, in no case is this libel as he so frequently suggests since these associations are based on fact.

As the open letter illustrates, there are a great deal of people with concerns regarding Spencer's inclusion in panel discussions. Another childish tirade on his part placing the blame squarely on Charles only proves how irrational he can be regarding this situation.

292 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:43:01pm

re: #287 FurryOldGuyJeans

No, that's stagger, crawl, stagger, stagger, crawl, crawl, stagger.

Yellowbeard.

293 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:43:03pm

After reading Turban Durbin (D-AQ) this am, I really wish the CIA was just as nasty as moonbats think ...

294 callahan23  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:43:08pm

re: #282 Floral Giraffe

NO! Don't run. Walk like a native creature. Step, drag, pause, repeat!

Strange they didn't do that in the movie. {Floral Giraffe}

295 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:43:22pm

re: #267 mrbaracuda

Nah, what the BBC did was to treat the matter in a truly dispassionate way, letting the kooks make their case, and then letting the facts demolish them utterly. They also took care to point out that these kooks are helping our enemies. Definitely no let off for the kooks here.

296 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:43:34pm

re: #290 brookly red

no, thats step, drag, pause, rant about Bush, repeat...

I forgot drool too.

297 jaunte  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:43:43pm

It would be interesting to get the take of someone like Michael Totten, who has spent a lot of time interacting with Muslims in the 21st century, on Robert Spencers's concept of the challenges of Islam.

298 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:43:48pm

re: #287 FurryOldGuyJeans

No, that's stagger, crawl, stagger, stagger, crawl, crawl, stagger.

Well, I guess that's better (if you don't want to lose teeth!).

299 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:44:11pm

re: #287 FurryOldGuyJeans

No, that's stagger, crawl, stagger, stagger, crawl, crawl, stagger.

/and then head for the dentist's office

300 Empire1  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:44:27pm

re: #279 Erik The Red

If you hit a deer with that car it will get up and run away. You on the other hand.......

Please drive carefully in that thing. For me I would rather pay a little more in gas, but have more metal around me.

Thanks for your concern, Erik! I'm careful, honest, but I prefer to drive (as opposed to ride in) small cars more because I find it fits me better (i.e., can reach the controls and driving pedals easier) than a larger, theoretically safer car. (IMO, if the controls are difficult for me to reach, they ain't really safe ... )

301 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:44:56pm

re: #288 DEZes

And then say I was beat up?

John Barleycorn beat her silly, and ran away!

/

302 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:45:29pm

re: #246 J.S.

One of the problems with Spencer (a long time ago, I attributed this to simply not knowing any better) is that when he starts into his "critique" of Islam, many of those reading/listening in Europe make certain inferences. The first is that, in Europe, there are state censors...they don't have a First Amendment...so, they're "practiced" in the art of double speak

In case you want to know the part relevant to the topic we have in German Basic Law: [Link: www.iuscomp.org...]

Although it is more restricted than the freedoms provided by the First Amendment of the U.S. constitution (if I am not mistaken libel/slander is easy to sue for in Germany compared to the U.S., and then there are all the hate speech laws as well as the ones stemming from our Nazi-Germany past), there is little censorship and my subjective feeling is that &sect5 (1) has gained more importance (there was one ruling by the Supreme Court here I didn't agree with, but was happy they ruled that way based on &sect5). And usually it is rather self-consorship that is practiced than state-censorship (state TV is a rather weird construct, akin to the BBC I suppose, meaning half-state- half-privately owned).

303 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:45:40pm

re: #301 OldLineTexan

John Barleycorn beat her silly, and ran away!

/

I thought it was an ugly stick that hit her repeatedly? Perhaps old John Barleycorn beat her with it?

304 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:46:41pm

re: #303 Desert Dog

I thought it was an ugly stick that hit her repeatedly? Perhaps old John Barleycorn beat her with it?

You'd look bad too, if the sidewalk jumped up and popped you in the mouth like that.

/

305 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:46:59pm

re: #258 Lynn B.

What's strange about SNN? I think it's a great pod-cast. They did an interview with Filip Dewinter shortly after Charles first started expressing concerns about Vlaams Belang that basically blew his facade wide open.

Oh I just found it a little strange because of the Arabic sound snippets he threw in. And I don't really like this whole "Christian values!111" stuff which seemed to be all over the place.

306 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:47:15pm

I would make that PDF that KB posted earlier required reading, if I ever wanted to become a professor.

307 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:47:38pm

re: #304 OldLineTexan

You'd look bad too, if the sidewalk jumped up and popped you in the mouth like that.

/

Repeatedly.

308 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:48:01pm

re: #304 OldLineTexan

You'd look bad too, if the sidewalk jumped up and popped you in the mouth like that.

/

I think I've been there....years ago. I remember holding on the ground because the earth was spinning so fast.....ahhh, College, I miss it.

309 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:50:14pm

re: #272 callahan23

Muad Dib - wasn't that the warrior name of Paul Atreides given to him by the Fremen in the SF-drama 'Dune' by Frank Herbert?

Yep - now imagine some stupid old northern England geezer saying the words "The sleepah moost awakin" and you get an idea of the level of patheticness we are dealing with here.

And the guy thinks he's - well that would be a spoiler. You'll find out when you watch ;-)

310 J.S.  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:52:48pm

re: #302 mrbaracuda

As I understand it, in Germany, the speech codes relate to the Constitution of Germany which has a fundamental concept, the dignity of the person (and the dignity of the person has to be upheld)...(In France, there are more explicit laws against "hate speech"...but, again, as you've noted, that doesn't really hamper people from expressing themselves..)

311 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:54:47pm

re: #305 mrbaracuda

Oh I just found it a little strange because of the Arabic sound snippets he threw in. And I don't really like this whole "Christian values!111" stuff which seemed to be all over the place.

Would you have been more comfortable with Pagan Values 666???

just sayin!

312 dmandman  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:55:04pm

re: #309 Jimmah

When the Novel Dune was serialized in a Science Fiction magazine (Galaxy I think), it came with a lot of graphics that gave some background info you never see in the books. It started out OK, but after induction into the Fremen it went very rapidly downhill. Herbert tried to kill the hero off, but the publisher stacked so much cash up front he had to make a gazillion sequels.

313 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:55:26pm

re: #275 TheMatrix31

It's weird...I didn't even intend to come across as 'rooting" for it, but LGF isn't letting me put question marks right before exclamation points...wtf?

I'm tweaking the code that prevents multiple characters from rogering the threads. I now have it set so that more than 3 repeated characters in a row will be converted to just 3 characters - so a question mark followed by an exclamation point will now work.

314 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:57:24pm

re: #306 TheMatrix31

I would make that PDF that KB posted earlier required reading, if I ever wanted to become a professor.

Whoa, where'd that elephant in the room come from?

/signed, sealed, and extensively footnoted

315 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:57:34pm

re: #313 Charles

I'm tweaking the code that prevents multiple characters from rogering the threads. I now have it set so that more than 3 repeated characters in a row will be converted to just 3 characters - so a question mark followed by an exclamation point will now work.

Thanks Charles. I DO like my characters for emphasis!!!

316 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:57:36pm

Night, folks.

317 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:58:12pm

re: #316 Jimmah

Night, folks.

Take good care.

318 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:58:13pm

re: #295 Jimmah

Nah, what the BBC did was to treat the matter in a truly dispassionate way, letting the kooks make their case, and then letting the facts demolish them utterly. They also took care to point out that these kooks are helping our enemies. Definitely no let off for the kooks here.

I see. Will have a look later. Thanks again.re: #310 J.S.

As I understand it, in Germany, the speech codes relate to the Constitution of Germany which has a fundamental concept, the dignity of the person (and the dignity of the person has to be upheld)...(In France, there are more explicit laws against "hate speech"...but, again, as you've noted, that doesn't really hamper people from expressing themselves..)

Quite so! As a matter of fact, it's the first thing on the list:

I. Basic Rights
Article 1 [Human dignity]

(1) Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority.

(2) The German people therefore acknowledge inviolable and inalienable human rights as the basis of every community, of peace and of justice in the world.

(3) The following basic rights shall bind the legislature, the executive, and the judiciary as directly applicable law.

If I am not mistaken our courts got into a little trouble with the first one once we caught us some Somalian pirates, LoL. Note it says Human dignity, not something like "The dignity of a [German] citizen".

319 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:58:22pm

re: #313 Charles

I'm tweaking the code that prevents multiple characters from rogering the threads. I now have it set so that more than 3 repeated characters in a row will be converted to just 3 characters - so a question mark followed by an exclamation point will now work.

Awesome, thanks Charles! I often use the question mark/exlamation point as a staple of my sarcasm :)

320 Gus  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:58:25pm

re: #307 DEZes

Repeatedly.

I had a hangover once when I was about 20. Was after a bluegrass concert in Forked River, NJ. My "head" spun like a gyroscope for the better part of the following day. Even while laying down.

321 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:58:43pm

See?!

322 dmandman  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:58:53pm

OT: I just got this email...who falls for this?
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Mobile:+2348035610231
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bless you and your family. Hope to hear from you soon.

Thanks.
James Fisher.

323 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:59:06pm

re: #297 jaunte

It would be interesting to get the take of someone like Michael Totten, who has spent a lot of time interacting with Muslims in the 21st century, on Robert Spencers's concept of the challenges of Islam.

Robert has attacked Mr Totten's work- if that give you any indicator.

324 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:59:08pm
325 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:59:38pm

re: #320 Gus 802

I had a hangover once when I was about 20. Was after a bluegrass concert in Forked River, NJ. My "head" spun like a gyroscope for the better part of the following day. Even while laying down.

Lying down is the worst with spinning.

326 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 5:59:47pm

COUNTDOWN TIME

11 hurs down
1 to go

then I get to drive home in one of the most heelacious thunderstorms I've seen here in years

YIPPPEEE

327 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:00:04pm

re: #311 sattv4u2

Would you have been more comfortable with Pagan Values 666???

just sayin!

Well I always find it a little dishonest to root for one religion while bashing the other, when both deserve a good beating. A point Spencer might want to ponder on, heh.

328 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:00:05pm

I can again hug {littleoldlady}!?

329 jaunte  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:00:48pm

re: #323 Sharmuta

Robert has attacked Mr Totten's work- if that give you any indicator.

Did Totten have a response?

330 Gus  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:01:02pm

re: #325 DEZes

Lying down is the worst with spinning.

Oh yeah, forwards and backwards. Sideways.

331 jaunte  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:01:44pm

re: #323 Sharmuta

Robert has attacked Mr Totten's work- if that give you any indicator.

I guess I should use the new feature: "Did Totten have a response?"

332 albusteve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:01:58pm

sorry Bob...give it a break

Youtube Video
333 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:02:09pm

re: #329 jaunte

I think it was right here at LGF that spencer posted comments on a Totten piece on Kosovo- he was fairly critical. I have no idea if Mr Totten responded at all.

334 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:02:18pm

re: #328 Sharmuta

I can again hug {littleoldlady}!?

Is lol here? Since I am no longer on the LNDT I have not seen her. Please give her a { } from me tomorrow.

335 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:02:21pm

nd Christianity in general "deserves a good beating" because ,,,???

336 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:02:24pm

re: #330 Gus 802

Oh yeah, forwards and backwards. Sideways.

Hurl. ;)

337 Big Steve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:02:26pm

mendacious? My new word for the day.

338 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:03:12pm

re: #327 mrbaracuda

and Christianity in general "deserves a good beating" because ,,,???


(pimf)

339 Empire1  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:03:13pm

re: #324 Iron Fist

Herbert's son has written a number of prequals to the Dune series. They are OK. Nothing great, but not unreadable, at any rate. He was less successful in his attempt to write the ending novel that Frank Herbert had envisioned. It was plausibly more or less what Herbert had intended, I guess, but I was not impressed.

Pretty much my assessment, as well. Readable, but not at all comparable to the original Dune.

340 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:03:26pm

re: #321 Charles

See?!

I don't see anything?!?!?

/oh, wait.

341 jaunte  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:03:28pm

re: #333 Sharmuta

I think I recall that; didn't medaura start arguing with Spencer about Jatras?

342 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:04:00pm

re: #321 Charles

See?!

Saw!!

343 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:04:19pm

Wow. Just freaking wow.

My moonbat sister is leaving her husband of 15 years because of abuse. I had no clue.

Part of me wants to say I TOLD YOU SO and the other part of me wants to track down that fucker and beat the ever loving crap out of him.

344 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:04:19pm

It's the lair of the mendaciously aging adolescent libelblogger.

345 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:04:53pm

re: #344 Charles

It's the lair of the mendaciously aging adolescent libelblogger.

that HAS to be a T-Shirt!!

346 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:05:02pm

re: #341 jaunte

I think I recall that; didn't medaura start arguing with Spencer about Jatras?

I believe so- yes.

347 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:05:08pm

re: #322 dmandman

OT: I just got this email...who falls for this?

Funny thing, once I received such a mail from a bot calling itself "Mister Miracle Nganga". It was from Africa, bank account yadda yadda. Some time later I got another one from yet another Nganga, to which I replied "your brother mailed me already". :D

348 Gus  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:05:18pm

re: #336 DEZes

Hurl. ;)

Big time. Especially if it's accompanied by a bad headache.

I did have a bout of dizzy spells in the mornings for a month though. Unrelated to drinking. Not sure if it was Meniere's Syndrome or a general circulatory condition. Those were pretty nasty. I hope that stays "gone."

349 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:05:37pm

re: #343 Alouette

Wow. Just freaking wow.

My moonbat sister is leaving her husband of 15 years because of abuse. I had no clue.

Part of me wants to say I TOLD YOU SO and the other part of me wants to track down that fucker and beat the ever loving crap out of him.

Both is an option.
I hope she will be well, and I am glad she is leaving an abuser.

350 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:05:39pm

re: #343 Alouette

Wow. Just freaking wow.

My moonbat sister is leaving her husband of 15 years because of abuse. I had no clue.

Part of me wants to say I TOLD YOU SO and the other part of me wants to track down that fucker and beat the ever loving crap out of him.

Can I watch ??? Better yet ,, can I HELP !!

351 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:06:05pm

re: #322 dmandman

http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com

352 callahan23  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:06:09pm

re: #343 Alouette

Wow. Just freaking wow.

My moonbat sister is leaving her husband of 15 years because of abuse. I had no clue.

Part of me wants to say I TOLD YOU SO and the other part of me wants to track down that fucker and beat the ever loving crap out of him.

Give her lots of hugs from us Lizards. Might help a little.
Breaks my heart, every time.

353 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:06:35pm

re: #350 sattv4u2

Can I watch ??? Better yet ,, can I HELP !!

I want Mandy to come with me. Sharmuta too.

354 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:06:54pm

re: #343 Alouette

Part of me wants to say I TOLD YOU SO and the other part of me wants to track down that fucker and beat the ever loving crap out of him.

Cellphones enable you to do both at the same time!

355 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:07:03pm

re: #343 Alouette

Wow. Just freaking wow.

My moonbat sister is leaving her husband of 15 years because of abuse. I had no clue.

Part of me wants to say I TOLD YOU SO and the other part of me wants to track down that fucker and beat the ever loving crap out of him.

Bastard !
I just hope she stays away. You hear about them going back.
Always a mistake.

356 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:07:06pm

re: #353 Alouette

I'm there, Sister.

357 Big Steve  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:07:12pm

re: #344 Charles

It's the lair of the mendaciously aging adolescent libelblogger.

Great name for a rock band.

358 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:07:25pm

re: #353 Alouette

I want Mandy to come with me. Sharmuta too.

yeah ,,, I undertand,,, but I'm a guy ,, and I have a license to carry!!!

359 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:07:59pm

re: #343 Alouette

Wow. Just freaking wow.

My moonbat sister is leaving her husband of 15 years because of abuse. I had no clue.

Part of me wants to say I TOLD YOU SO and the other part of me wants to track down that fucker and beat the ever loving crap out of him.

Do both :)!

360 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:08:17pm
361 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:08:39pm

re: #358 sattv4u2

yeah ,,, I undertand,,, but I'm a guy ,, and I have a license to carry!!!

"Gee officer , I was SURE the safety was on! On the bright side, I'm SURE that toe will grow back"

362 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:08:41pm

re: #344 Charles

It's the lair of the mendaciously aging adolescent libelblogger.

Rotation nomination.

363 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:09:08pm

re: #338 sattv4u2

and Christianity in general "deserves a good beating" because ,,,???

(pimf)

It's 3 am over here in Germany. I hope you don't expect me to answer that in detail, plus I am not too knowledgable to answer your question in-depth anyway. But, from what I have read on the topic and in the primary sources themselves, to me, it's just another crappy religion.

364 callahan23  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:09:26pm

re: #361 sattv4u2

"Gee officer , I was SURE the safety was on! On the bright side, I'm SURE that toe will grow back"

He surely is no Lizard.
/

365 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:10:06pm

re: #364 callahan23

He surely is no Lizard.
/

The tail wasnt blown off. ;)

366 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:10:09pm

re: #363 mrbaracuda

It's 3 am over here in Germany. I hope you don't expect me to answer that in detail, plus I am not too knowledgable to answer your question in-depth anyway. But, from what I have read on the topic and in the primary sources themselves, to me, it's just another crappy religion.

well ,, at least you're open minded and tolerant about it !!
//

367 jaunte  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:10:25pm

The new mendaciously aging
adolescent libelblogger
and lizard conservatory band.

368 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:11:10pm

One thing Ive always been crazy moonbat liberal about.

What I'd let a woman get away with if she's being abused.

369 Gus  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:11:20pm

re: #367 jaunte

The new mendaciously aging
adolescent libelblogger
and lizard conservatory band.

It's too bad Al Hirt is gone.

//

370 brookly red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:11:27pm

re: #354 mrbaracuda

Cellphones enable you to do both at the same time!

but they also place you at the scene...

371 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:11:49pm
372 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:12:28pm

re: #366 sattv4u2

well ,, at least you're open minded and tolerant about it !!
//

Sure, just tonight I handled Genesis 19 I think it was. Great stuff! You know, the whole annihilating a town and its population for, well, I guess you can sum it up with "sodomy" and at the end of it going for the incest with an old fart. Good stuff.

373 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:12:56pm

re: #371 Iron Fist

At least he is well informed. He wouldn't want to form an opinion about a major world religion without at least studying something about it :-)

I was debating with myself which phrase to highlight and ridicule, the one you did or the one I did. Thanks for sharin the load !!

374 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:13:05pm

re: #324 Iron Fist

Herbert's son has written a number of prequals to the Dune series. They are OK. Nothing great, but not unreadable, at any rate. He was less successful in his attempt to write the ending novel that Frank Herbert had envisioned. It was plausibly more or less what Herbert had intended, I guess, but I was not impressed.

The prequels were like watching a train wreck ... I couldn't stop reading, they were so BAD.

375 snowcrash  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:13:43pm

Charles you have been called some funny things! Do I remember some kind of empiricist? and maybe a Californian hedonist ? lol Could be wrong.

376 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:15:41pm

re: #375 snowcrash

Charles you have been called some funny things! Do I remember some kind of empiricist? and maybe a Californian hedonist ? lol Could be wrong.

I think there was also something about a nihilistic utopian.

377 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:15:45pm

re: #372 mrbaracuda

Sure, just tonight I handled Genesis 19 I think it was. Great stuff! You know, the whole annihilating a town and its population for, well, I guess you can sum it up with "sodomy" and at the end of it going for the incest with an old fart. Good stuff.

Good shot, desecrating both Christianity AND Judaism with one Old testament reference!

You DO know what a "parable" is, don't you? Perhaps THATS where you should start your quest for 'informed thought'

378 callahan23  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:15:54pm

It is really late at my place. Tomorrow I'll be on again, pwomise.
See y'all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. - Really!

379 jaunte  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:16:25pm

re: #376 Sharmuta

I think there was also something about a nihilistic utopian.

Now there's a combo with a little inner tension.

380 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:16:33pm

Cool, New Thread !

Safar...

That's a 12 foot pool to a non swimmer for me.

381 Gus  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:16:52pm

re: #378 callahan23

It is really late at my place. Tomorrow I'll be on again, pwomise.
See y'all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. - Really!

Later Callahan.

382 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:16:52pm

re: #378 callahan23

It is really late at my place. Tomorrow I'll be on again, pwomise.
See y'all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. - Really!

Take good care buddy.

383 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:18:06pm

re: #378 callahan23

It is really late at my place. Tomorrow I'll be on again, pwomise.
See y'all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. - Really!

Good night Cal.

384 kansas  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:18:50pm

Even the most cursory overview of Mr. Spencer’s oeuvre makes it clear that in fact he has no place on a panel whose aim is to dispel stereotypes about Islam.

If it's true is it a stereotype? Is the panel to whitewash Islam?

385 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:19:50pm

re: #377 sattv4u2

Good shot, desecrating both Christianity AND Judaism with one Old testament reference!

You DO know what a "parable" is, don't you? Perhaps THATS where you should start your quest for 'informed thought'

Well you know what they say about Germans and their efficiency. And yes, I DO know what a parable is, even without scare-quotes. I'd say though: Go down the parable road and you can throw that book away from the beginning.

386 Honorary Yooper  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:20:00pm

re: #344 Charles

It's the lair of the mendaciously aging adolescent libelblogger.

I nominate this for rotating title.

387 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:20:33pm

re: #377 sattv4u2

desecrating

Funny by the way.

388 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:21:12pm

re: #386 Honorary Yooper

I nominate this for rotating title.

So did Sharmuta, And I will toss my vote in as well.

389 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:21:22pm

re: #386 Honorary Yooper

I nominate this for rotating title.

Maybe add "little green"? "Little green lair of the mendaciously aging adolescent libelblogger and their football wielding lizards"!

390 Gus  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:22:07pm

re: #388 DEZes

So did Sharmuta, And I will toss my vote in as well.

Can we use the acronym?

MAAL

/

391 TheMatrix31  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:22:10pm

re: #376 Sharmuta

I think there was also something about a nihilistic utopian.

Charles is Barack Obama?!

392 jaunte  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:22:28pm

re: #333 Sharmuta

I think it was right here at LGF that spencer posted comments on a Totten piece on Kosovo- he was fairly critical. I have no idea if Mr Totten responded at all.

I found medaura's post about it:

Totten is targeted as an impressionable naïve traveler who fails to recognize what Spencer believes to be the inescapable ideological vacuum within any not-yet-radical Muslim community —communities which, according to Spencer, despite any and all current pretensions of liberalism and Westophilia, are essentially unstable oxymoronic applications of Islam which are doomed to gravitate toward radicalism in the long run. Kosovo can be no exception, since a perpetual state of jihad is an inexorable core tenet of Islam. Here I will not dwell on the theological subtleties he employs to reach his conclusion (which I suspect Mr. Spencer would accuse me of misrepresenting anyway), but the bottom line of his dissatisfaction with Totten’s reports seems to boil down to Totten’s portrayal of Kosovars as an overall peaceful, progressive, Westward-oriented, and culturally modern people. To suggest that a population with a Muslim background could merit such positive characterizations (without casting apocalyptic doubts on their future sustainability) is heresy!

[Link: www.kejda.net...]

393 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:22:33pm

re: #385 mrbaracuda

Well you know what they say about Germans and their efficiency. And yes, I DO know what a parable is, even without scare-quotes. I'd say though: Go down the parable road and you can throw that book away from the beginning.re: #387 mrbaracuda

Funny by the way.


Not so much, by the way!

394 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:23:00pm

re: #386 Honorary Yooper

I nominate this for rotating title.

So it is written, so shall it be done.

395 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:23:12pm

re: #391 TheMatrix31

Charles is Barack Obama?!

The stalkers say everyone is Charles, so yes.

396 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:23:12pm

re: #389 mrbaracuda

Maybe add "little green"? "Little green lair of the mendaciously aging adolescent libelblogger and their football wielding lizards squabblers"!

397 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:23:28pm

re: #390 Gus 802

Can we use the acronym?

MAAL

/

I give, MAAL?

398 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:23:51pm

re: #394 Charles

So it is written, so shall it be done.

YEEE HAAAWW

Now ,, I STILL think it would make a great

T SHIRT
HAT
BUMPER STICKER

399 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:24:06pm

re: #385 mrbaracuda

Well you know what they say about Germans and their efficiency. And yes, I DO know what a parable is, even without scare-quotes. I'd say though: Go down the parable road and you can throw that book away from the beginning.

So how do you feel about metaphors?

400 jaunte  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:24:19pm

re: #397 DEZes

mendageadoliblogger.

401 eon  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:24:22pm

re: #312 dmandman

When the Novel Dune was serialized in a Science Fiction magazine (Galaxy I think), it came with a lot of graphics that gave some background info you never see in the books. It started out OK, but after induction into the Fremen it went very rapidly downhill. Herbert tried to kill the hero off, but the publisher stacked so much cash up front he had to make a gazillion sequels.

I have the old SFBC (Doubleday) hardback of Dune, that was the original of the Ballantine (?) paperback. It was the first SF novel I ever saw with a humongous glossary in front, and three appendices that were altogether close to the size of the timeline at the end of Tolkien's Return of the King. I distinctly remember thinking that this would be more what I'd expect to find in a doctoral thesis. Herbert's novel always struck me as less a novel than a fictionalized scenario for exploring the possible permutations of high-desert ecology.

It's possible to write an interesting SF novel based pretty much just on the peculiarities of a planetary environment; think Uller Uprising by H. Beam Piper, Big Planet by Jack Vance, or any of the three Deathworld novels by Harry Harrison. Herbert, however, seemed more interested in the ecology angle than the storytelling angle. The later books were more about Machiavellian (or maybe a better term would be "Richelieuian") court intrigues than anything else. While I own, and have read, most of the Dune series, I can't say I've ever really found them compelling reading.

Both movie versions left me equally unimpressed (the David Lynch and the Sci-Fi Channel attempt). The Lynch version even managed what I would regard as the almost impossible feat of putting Sean Young in skintight rubber and making her look...frumpy. (Nice going, Dave.) Both versions also had some of the most daft-looking vehicles and weapons since a Buster Crabbe "Flash Gordon" serial, which seriously annoyed me.

Having read a lot of Herbert's other work, I'd have to say his reputation mainly is due to Dune. I'd also have to say it's one of the most over-rated SF novels, or series, ever.

/just IMHO.

cheers

eon

402 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:24:42pm

re: #393 sattv4u2

Not so much, by the way!

Oh come on, is that all you got?

Genesis 1 (King James Version)

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And that's a parable for what again? Hehe.

403 Gus  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:24:45pm

re: #397 DEZes

I give, MAAL?

mendaciously aging adolescent libelblogger.

404 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:25:13pm

re: #385 mrbaracuda

re: #399 itellu3times

So how do you feel about metaphors?

Not to mention allegories, homilies, apologues!!.

405 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:25:16pm

re: #400 jaunte

mendageadoliblogger.

re: #403 Gus 802

mendaciously aging adolescent libelblogger.

DOH!

406 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:25:22pm

re: #399 itellu3times

So how do you feel about metaphors?

Tingly. :)

407 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:26:04pm

re: #404 sattv4u2

allegories, homilies, apologues!!.

That's the stuff.

408 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:26:38pm

re: #395 Sharmuta

The stalkers say everyone is Charles, so yes.

What is that, the scene from Spartacus where all the defeated runaways claim to be Spartacus?

409 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:26:54pm

How do you see a rotating banner? I am on FF and see nothing but the front page, which is static

410 BenghaziHoops  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:27:16pm

re: #344 Charles

My Mom and Dad visited the lair of the mendaciously aging adolescent libelblogger 2009 Convention. And all I got was this dumb Tee-Shirt

411 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:27:19pm

re: #406 mrbaracuda

Tingly. :)

Up your leg? I didn't know Chris Matthews moved to Germany!

412 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:27:51pm

re: #409 Erik The Red

How do you see a rotating banner? I am on FF and see nothing but the front page, which is static

Top right above the LGF store ad

413 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:28:39pm

re: #406 mrbaracuda

Maybe it's all those written words that cause trouble.

414 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:29:33pm

re: #411 sattv4u2

Up your leg? I didn't know Chris Matthews moved to Germany!

That doesn't make sense to a German. So, please explain what Chris Matthews (I even had to look him up) has to do with it. Thank you.

415 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:29:35pm

re: #409 Erik The Red

First, get you a good swivel chair and ensure it won't hit your computer desk. If you have a laptop just give yourself a good spin while looking at the front page.

416 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:30:30pm

re: #412 SasquatchOnSteroids

Top right above the LGF store ad

OK. Bunch of different ones. I have never noticed that before.

417 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:30:48pm

re: #397 DEZes

I give, MAAL?

It's the little-known Canaanite cat god.

/

418 Gus  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:31:43pm

re: #417 OldLineTexan

It's the little-known Canaanite cat god.

/

Does that mean that cat worships canned tuna?

///

419 DEZes  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:31:53pm

re: #417 OldLineTexan

It's the little-known Canaanite cat god.

/

He was in Star Wars, I swear.
Darth MAAL

420 Erik The Red  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:32:02pm

re: #415 pingjockey

First, get you a good swivel chair and ensure it won't hit your computer desk. If you have a laptop just give yourself a good spin while looking at the front page.

LMAO. Hey ping, real was asking us to tell you to drop him an email, when we saw you.

421 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:32:04pm

re: #414 mrbaracuda

That doesn't make sense to a German. So, please explain what Chris Matthews (I even had to look him up) has to do with it. Thank you.

USA lizards got the reference, no doubt

Ex President Carter speech writer, current host of a TV left wing talk show, he commented how watching Obama give a speech during the primaries gave him a "tingle up his leg"

422 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:32:38pm

re: #420 Erik The Red
Thank you. Will do so asap.

423 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:32:39pm

re: #413 itellu3times

Maybe it's all those written words that cause trouble.

A tingly sensation is not what I call a problem, but an experience!

424 JacksonTn  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:32:39pm

re: #412 SasquatchOnSteroids

Top right above the LGF store ad

SoS ... thanks for posting that ... I was just trying to see if when I clicked on the Amazon link at the left if it would be a referral link for video on demand because I cannot tell from the code at the top ... now I see the LGF Amazon store ... that is great ... so now it is easier to tell if it credits lgf ... on to watch movies! ... Amazon I have just noticed has a better selection of on demand than netflix ... sweet

425 Gus  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:32:44pm

re: #419 DEZes

He was in Star Wars, I swear.
Darth MAAL

Mothers Against Adolescent Libelbloggers

//

426 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:33:06pm

re: #312 dmandman

Boogers, I never knew it was serialized first, I try to collect such tings, but Wikipedia agrees:

Herbert spent the next five years researching, writing and revising what would eventually become Dune, later serialized in Analog magazine from 1963 to 1965 as two shorter works, Dune World and The Prophet of Dune

OK, next weekend I'm off to practically the last used bookstore in Los Angeles, if they're still open (Book Castle in Burbank). For that matter, I have some boxes in storage ...

427 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:33:11pm

re: #415 pingjockey

First, get you a good swivel chair and ensure it won't hit your computer desk. If you have a laptop just give yourself a good spin while looking at the front page.

heh.

428 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:34:19pm

re: #421 sattv4u2

I see. Thanks for enlightening me. I shall relay this information to my German brethren, so more of us can enjoy the anecdotes (one of those words again!) of U.S. pop culture and thus one day become the perfect lizards!

429 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:34:37pm

re: #426 itellu3times

Boogers, I never knew it was serialized first, I try to collect such tings, but Wikipedia agrees:


OK, next weekend I'm off to practically the last used bookstore in Los Angeles, if they're still open (Book Castle in Burbank). For that matter, I have some boxes in storage ...

I love me some beautiful downtown Burbank!

430 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:34:55pm

re: #424 JacksonTn

SoS ... thanks for posting that ... I was just trying to see if when I clicked on the Amazon link at the left if it would be a referral link for video on demand because I cannot tell from the code at the top ... now I see the LGF Amazon store ... that is great ... so now it is easier to tell if it credits lgf ... on to watch movies! ... Amazon I have just noticed has a better selection of on demand than netflix ... sweet

I only noticed it a coupla weeks ago myself.

431 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:34:57pm

re: #426 itellu3times

The Prophet of Dune

Is that about Al Gore?

,,, no ,,,wait ,that would be Profit from DOOM!!

Nevahmind!

432 Lee Coller  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:35:05pm

re: #219 rightside

I am surprised no one tries to run against those two clowns, and try to out-liberal them. Campaign on ending the Iraq war, throwing Booosh in jail with warcrimes, etc. Whip the LLL into a frenzy, get elected, and the most conservative person in CA or NV ever! LOL

Nancy Pelosi's home district is part of San Francisco, their complaint is that she isn't far enough to the left. Here's the results from 2008:

Nancy Pelosi (Dem): 71.9%
Dana Walsh (Rep): 9.7%
Philip Z. Berg (Lib): 2.2%
Cindy Sheehan (Moonbat): 16.2%

Cindy Sheehan beat the Republican.

Harry Reid is a different story, expect a major challenge com 2010, and expect a repeat of what happened to Tom Daschle.

433 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:35:19pm

re: #97 realwest

Hey y'all - I'm gonna stick around but if any of you see pingjockey out here, would you PLEASE ask him to check his e-mail for one from me for today and to please contact me right away? Please?

Thank you all very much.

re: #415 pingjockey

Ping, for you!

434 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:35:25pm

re: #423 mrbaracuda

A tingly sensation is not what I call a problem, but an experience!

Yes OK, now we are getting somewhere. Parables to be discarded, metaphors to be valued.

Now, what does this inkblot remind you of?

435 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:36:05pm

re: #428 mrbaracuda

I see. Thanks for enlightening me. I shall relay this information to my German brethren, so more of us can enjoy the anecdotes (one of those words again!) of U.S. pop culture and thus one day become the perfect lizards!

We'll be praying for it!
//

436 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:36:35pm

re: #428 mrbaracuda

I see. Thanks for enlightening me. I shall relay this information to my German brethren, so more of us can enjoy the anecdotes (one of those words again!) of U.S. pop culture and thus one day become the perfect lizards!

For two cents American I think we will be happy to sell you Chris Mathews in his entirety.

437 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:36:54pm

re: #434 itellu3times

Yes OK, now we are getting somewhere. Parables to be discarded, metaphors to be valued.

Now, what does this inkblot remind you of?

It looks like Stinky crushing a troll with the Ban Stick.

438 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:37:23pm

re: #434 itellu3times

Why, butterflies of course. *cough*

439 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:37:47pm

re: #436 itellu3times

For two cents American I think we will be happy to sell you Chris Mathews in his entirety.

I'd give them money if I thought they'd take him !

440 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:39:27pm

re: #439 SasquatchOnSteroids

I'd give them money if I thought they'd take him !

I'll toss in a case of Olberdork!

441 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:39:46pm

re: #436 itellu3times

That good a speech writer, eh? Social Democrats (SPD here [Link: www.wahlrecht.de...] could use one, heh.

442 Throbert McGee  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:41:00pm

re: #233 sattv4u2

Kim Jong Ill has pancreatic cancer!

1st time in my life I've ever wanted to root for the cancer!

Word.

May it take him as rapidly and painfully as it took my wonderful Aunt Paula a few years ago...

443 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:41:47pm

re: #433 Floral Giraffe
Thanks to you too. Done it!

444 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:42:28pm

re: #230 TheMatrix31

Kim Jong Ill has pancreatic cancer!

don't carry plutonium in your pockets, and don't drink the hydrazine.

445 pingjockey  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:43:38pm

re: #444 itellu3times
It was probably whatever he was using to get his hair to poof up like it does!

446 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:43:56pm

re: #444 itellu3times

don't carry plutonium in your pockets, and don't drink the hydrazine.

"NOW you tell me! I'm so ronery!!"

447 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 6:52:11pm

re: #442 Throbert McGee

Word.

May it take him as rapidly and painfully as it took my wonderful Aunt Paula a few years ago...

May his suffering bring him to repent of his ills deeds and may he with his last acts put his nation on a course away from militarism and tyranny. May his repentance be sincere and accepted by the Lord.

(I will always pray for people to repent and make amends. It is the Christian thing to do. Hell exists, and Kim Jong Il will probably end up there, but I hope he does not. I don't want anyone to go to Hell.)

448 Dom  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 7:28:33pm

Spencer was doing a fine job of documenting jihadist activity when it became clear that his target was a little broader than terrorist villains, taking the view that Islam is inherently bad. I would concur but for the stupidity of isolating and alienating any moderates and Muslim potential allies by the practice of doubting their sincerity and promoting the notion of their complicity. Even when someone begins insincerely, there is a lot to be said for taking uncertain allies, albeit guardedly, at face value. Persuasion is largely about demonstrating a confluence of opinions and exciting people to honour their word, never mind that they didn't start out meaning it. Lofty, lonely and pointless cynicism is a brilliant way to lose friends and diminish one's influence. Robert Spencer, given the work you were doing this was tolerable until you committed yourself to unholy alliances, and you lost crucial and worthy allies on the right and centre, because your compromise with hardline political extremists is not acceptable to most right-thinking people and destroys the integrity of our once unified agenda. It is not easy identifying and outlining the relationship between Muslims and the political and terrorist factions, but you were once, I thought, an expert on it, before you joined ranks with idiot ideologues. Now you blame the messenger. Calling this site a cesspool of lies and hate, a slander which leftists use to demonise views less extreme than your own, is about as intellectually corrupt as it gets. Perhaps reconsider your position and your comments to date on the rift. No promises but, all might be forgiven. It was a shame to have to lose you.

449 Lynn B.  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 8:45:30pm

re: #305 mrbaracuda

Oh I just found it a little strange because of the Arabic sound snippets he threw in. And I don't really like this whole "Christian values!111" stuff which seemed to be all over the place.

Right. Considering that the folks who run that place are Jooos.

But even if they weren't ... none of them are fanatics, none of them are even remotely fundamentalists.

What's your problem? You don't like the music? GMAB!

450 harpsicon  Sun, Jul 12, 2009 9:23:05pm

re: #238 Desert Dog

Obama really jumped ahead in the caucus states...Iowa, Texas, etc because he was way more organized and motivated. He also did well enough in the states he lost because of the proportionality of the democrat primary system. McCain won so fast because the Republicans still use the all or nothing system.

What Obama did was create a grassroots machine with those groups you list above. To beat him, the Republicans should study and take notes on how Obama did it...Even if the economy is in the tank and people blame Obama, he will still perform well in an election because he has a system set up to do just that...

This is SOOO much the point. The only important thing really - in order to win an election in Chicago you have to get about 60% of the vote! It's still a democracy, sort of, and when the machine really messes up they kind of accept the judgment of the "people".

But this is entirely different because the stakes are so much higher.

I'm seriously thinking of enrolling as a poll-watcher, at the very least.

We have to go out there and figure out how this works, and fight it. Otherwise we are doomed! Did O really win NC? I doubt it, but it didn't matter...

451 Sheepdogess  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:52:16am

I'm late to this thread and I haven't read all the comments.

I have a distant relative who is, was, a physician in Canada. After socialized medicine was "installed" in Canada he was fired. He was an ENT specialist. Not a high value MD I guess. He was, is, a man of the far left. He went back to the University for re-education in library science. He is as closed minded and as ignorant as they come. I have very little respect for today's moonbat Librarians.

Just my two cents.

452 shortshrift  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:46:32am

Be all that as it may, and notwithstanding feuds, it is disheartening when debates ostensibly to show different views preemptively close off a differing view. Unless you believe that Spencer is an extremist or a Nazi - in which case the panelists had every right to withdraw (at any time, whether or not they knew in advance of his inclusion - cf. Spencer's withdrawal from the pK conference before or after alleged acceptance ). We do not actually know what Spenser would have said on "Beyond Stereotyping", but I would have liked to hear it - rather more that any CAIR -approved message.

453 shortshrift  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:06:39am

re: #452 shortshrift

Above post should read:

Be all that as it may, and notwithstanding feuds, it is disheartening when debates ostensibly to show different views preemptively close off a differing view. Unless you believe that Spencer is an extremist or a Nazi - in which case the panelists had every right to withdraw (at any time, whether or not they knew in advance of his inclusion - cf. Spencer's withdrawal from the pK conference before or after alleged acceptance ) - his inclusion on a panel on Islam is hardly intolerable. We do not actually know what Spenser would have said on "Beyond Stereotyping", but I would have liked to have heard it - rather more than any CAIR -approved message.

454 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:18:52am

re: #452 shortshrift

Robert Spencer may not be a Nazi himself, but there's absolutely no doubt that he is an extremist, who associates with other hateful nutjobs and extremists like Pamela Geller, the genocide-spouting pinheads at Gates of Vienna, and the Vlaams Belang-BNP shills at Brussels Journal. The other panelists were perfectly justified in refusing to appear with Spencer.

455 Sacred Plants  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 1:08:46pm

From a strictly realpolitik point of view the problem with Spencers approach to Islam is that it is unprepared to accept the possibility of victory. At the point when the war is over, what would he do, divide Islam along the 38th parallel?


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