Where's my elephant vaccine?

Elephants are contagious.

— Paul Éluard

Good. I don't want to catch one.

re: #2 Syrah

Good. I don't want to catch one.

Pimf.

Not good. Not good at all. And I still don't want to catch one.

re: #2 Syrah

Good. I don't want to catch one.

too bad: evidently, they grow on you...

Elephant fever! Catch it!

Elephants are contagious.

You're telling me -- I've got elephantiasis! Caught it from an elephant.

Aloha you Mendacious Honcos!

re: #3 Syrah

Pimf.

Not good. Not good at all. And I still don't want to catch one.

so, what you're saying is that you trunkated your post... ivory heard that one before.

God Bless America.

re: #6 zombie

You're telling me -- I've got elephantiasis! Caught it from an elephant.

fortunately, the treatment is available for peanuts.

Massive Squid Washes Up on Beach in Quake Aftermath

La Jolla, Kalifornia

re: #4 redc1c4

too bad: evidently, they grow on you...

And I thought acne was a problem.

I guess I will have to make an appointment with the pachydermatologist.

re: #12 Syrah

And I thought acne was a problem.

I guess I will have to make an appointment with the pachydermatologist.

it's a grey area... and the data is muddy, which can result in a dust up.

BUT...
Are Giraffe's Contagious?
( My zipper is zipped, I checked, thank you very much!)
LOL!
It's an OPEN!
Wheee!

Does this call for a hideous round of...elephant jokes?

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Q: Why do elephants paint their toenails red?
A: So they can hide in the cherry tree.

Q: But there aren't any elephants in the cherry tree.
A: See -- the camouflage works!

re: #14 Floral Giraffe

BUT...
Are Giraffe's Contagious?

Q: How many giraffes will fit in your refrigerator?
A: None: There are already too many elephants in there.

re: #9 kateca

God Bless America.

Guaranteed upding from me. :)

How do you fit 5 elephants in a Volkswagen?
2 in the front seat, 3 in the back.

flaming ducks

Q: Why are alligators long and flat?
A: Got too close to an elephant.

I keep box turtles, I identify them with finger nail polish. Is that wrong?

"Oliphants, Mr Frodo! Oliphants!"

what did the elephant say to the spider?

weet dreams all!

And this is the all-time classic that actually started the whole whole elephant joke craze! (And one of the few elephant jokes that's actually funny):

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Q: What's the difference between an elephant and a flea?

A: An elephant can have fleas, but a flea can't have elephants.

re: #21 kateca

I keep box turtles, I identify them with finger nail polish. Is that wrong?

No polish jokes allowed!

re: #21 kateca

I keep box turtles, I identify them with finger nail polish. Is that wrong?

with or without charms?

re: #26 zombie

No polish jokes allowed!

even if the are german to the subject?

re: #17 BatGuano

smiley face.

Well...that's enough wading around the septic tank known as slate.com...

Just got throught trying to read some neener-neener-neener article by a petulant sounding Richard Thompson Ford who seemed to be rooting for Ricci to lose the Ricci Vs De Stefano case that was before the supreme court so the author could blame it on Anthony Scalia.

My god...how do these dumbfucks mange to draw a paycheck when they're so wrong most of the time?

Elephant Jokes

Q: Why are elephants so wrinkled?
A: Did you ever try to iron one?

re: #26 zombie

No polish jokes allowed!

It'll be dull without them.

re: #30 Fenway_Nation

Well...that's enough wading around the septic tank known as slate.com...

Just got throught trying to read some neener-neener-neener article by a petulant sounding Richard Thompson Ford who seemed to be rooting for Ricci to lose the Ricci Vs De Stefano case that was before the supreme court so the author could blame it on Anthony Scalia.

My god...how do these dumbfucks mange to draw a paycheck when they're so wrong most of the time?

intelligent design?

/white smoke

re: #26 zombie

Bye, ggt!

Q: What's gray, has four legs and a trunk?
A: A mouse on vacation.

re: #33 itellu3times

It'll be dull without them.

fortunately, we have some on file...

And now for some "blue" elephants jokes:

Q: How do you make an elephant fly?

A: Well, first you get a 3-foot-long zipper...

re: #37 redc1c4

fortunately, we have some on file...

Are you shining us on?

re: #38 zombie

And now for some "blue" elephants jokes:

Q: How do you make an elephant fly?

A: Well, first you get a 3-foot-long zipper...

A: and pull it over his privates, catching the skin...

re: #30 Fenway_Nation

Well...that's enough wading around the septic tank known as slate.com...

Just got throught trying to read some neener-neener-neener article by a petulant sounding Richard Thompson Ford who seemed to be rooting for Ricci to lose the Ricci Vs De Stefano case that was before the supreme court so the author could blame it on Anthony Scalia.

My god...how do these dumbfucks mange to draw a paycheck when they're so wrong most of the time?

Beats me. Slate gets on my nerves; I can rarely stand to read anything there.

I'm quite certain that turtles are as interesting as elephants.

re: #39 gmsc

Are you shining us on?

polish the thought...

Q: What is more difficult than getting a pregnant elephant in the back seat of your car?

A: Getting an elephant pregnant in the back seat of your car.

How do you stop an Elephant from charging?

re: #40 redc1c4

A: and pull it over his privates, catching the skin...

You mean the beans over the franks?

re: #45 sngnsgt

How do you stop an Elephant from charging?

Take away it's credit card!

ok: my first day of school starts in less than 9 hours...

i think i better hit it, and see what the 'morrow brings.

hasta, y'all...

L8r!

re: #41 iceweasel

Beats me. Slate gets on my nerves; I can rarely stand to read anything there.

Paper is better for reading.

Slate is good because it's full of natural gas.

re: #47 BigPapa

Take away it's credit card!

Upding for the right answer!

re: #43 redc1c4

polish the thought...

re: #48 redc1c4

Hasta, Red.

re: #44 zombie

Q: What is more difficult than getting a pregnant elephant in the back seat of your car?

A: Getting an elephant pregnant in the back seat of your car.

we won;t ask how you know, but i'll be looking for that page on Zombietime...

Q: How do you know the elephants had an orgy in your back yard?

A: Your box of plastic trash-can liners is missing!

OK, elephant joke time is over. (Thank god!) You can all open your eyes now.

Baby Elephant song:

Oliphants! No one at home will believe this.

re: #55 zombie

OK, elephant joke time is over. (Thank god!) You can all open your eyes now.

But I thought Elephants are contagious...?

Nite lizards. Still on the phone here learning about Berlin, 2009. Expensive vegiies. Cheap pizza. Can we say Mousilinni? sorry for the spelling.. typing one handed.

The Role of Government Affordable Housing Policy in Creating the Global Financial Crisis of 2008

26 pages, read the whole thing.

/pdf format apparently not allowed in spinoffs

And now for something completely different...

Can anyone tell me what language this is?:

ananızın amına yaragım girsin sizin kafanızın kopartılması lzm piç kuruları
sizin a...sikim

I have a suspicion it's Kurdish, but I don't know. (It was an email someone sent me. IP traced to the Turkey-Iraq border. But I don't think it's Turkish or Arabic.)

Naughtsees are anti-Semantic.

Baby elephants at play:

Box turtles are people too. What's all this interest in elephants? Box turtles are small and not given rights. They are underestimated and should recive compensation.

re: #61 zombie

I think it's an elephant joke.

re: #45 sngnsgt

How do you stop an Elephant from charging?

Take away it's credit cards!
LOL!

Elephants = evil African poachers. We should hunt the poachers.

re: #21 kateca

I keep box turtles

Keep them from what? :)

re: #60 Killian Bundy

The Role of Government Affordable Housing Policy in Creating the Global Financial Crisis of 2008

26 pages, read the whole thing.

/pdf format apparently not allowed in spinoffs

Seems related to my "Greenlining" post from last year:

The Greenlining Institute: Does the financial crisis have its origins in Berkeley?

re: #66 Floral Giraffe

Take away it's credit cards!
LOL!

Hey, elephants can put credit cards to good uses:

whispering softly...
Thank God, Giraffe's don't have such horrid tales told about us!
Disguised as "jokes".!
LOL!

re: #70 gmsc

Shhh...
( Hi gmsc!)
Quietly...

A quote from my Greenlining post:

"Once upon a time, banks only loaned money to individuals who could qualify for a home mortgage; and then sometime recently, they changed their practices and started loaning money to a lot of people who didn’t qualify and could not afford to pay back the loans. And when they started defaulting, and when real estate values starting dropping, the entire industry collapsed, because there was no equity to pay back the loans. The banks lost money, the customers lost money, and it all went down the toilet. Which, of course, many people had predicted. So the question is: Why? Why did banks start making countless risky untenable loans to unqualified customers?

And the answer is: Because they were afraid of being called racists by the legal bullies at the Greenlining Institute and other similar “community organizers.” "

I need a dip!

re: #72 Floral Giraffe

Shhh...
( Hi gmsc!)
Quietly...

Hi!

re: #69 zombie

Seems related to my "Greenlining" post from last year:

The Greenlining Institute: Does the financial crisis have its origins in Berkeley?

/now breaking nationally, for those that will listen

re: #41 iceweasel

Well...phase two of the Democrats brilliant 'We won' policy is to hatchet a fireman (one who's overcome dyslexia and busted his ass to pass an exam for promotion) during the confirmation hearings. Of course there's little mention of the fact that Ricci is one of 17 plantiffs in the case.

Honestly- I hope they do go down that route. Besides Jobslayer 2009 Cap & Trade, this should undercut the usual bullshit claims that the Dems have the monopoly on helping out the American worker...

Please please please, MSM enablers and Democrats...please try and take steaming shit on 17 New England firefighters who had the chutzpah to pass an exam...go for the gusto! Don't let the mask slip...let it come all the way off!

re: #70 gmsc

LOL, good one...

Today in History, July 13th:

Highlights of this day in history: Live Aid concerts held in London and Philadelphia; A French revolutionary is stabbed in his bath; Civil War draft riots erupt in New York; A power blackout hits the Big Apple; Actor Harrison Ford born.

Other notable July 13th events include:

1787 – The Continental Congress enacts the Northwest Ordinance establishing governing rules for the Northwest Territory. It also establishes procedures for the admission of new states and limits the expansion of slavery.

1973 – Alexander Butterfield reveals the existence of the Nixon tapes to the special Senate committee investigating the Watergate break in.

1985 – United States Vice President George H.W. Bush became the Acting President for the day when President Ronald Reagan underwent surgery to remove polyps from his colon.

re: #68 ShanghaiEd
the first one I almost ran over on the road, the other I almost bush-hogged. They now live in my herb garden.

re: #77 Fenway_Nation

I think it'll be a mistake for the GOP to drag the Ricci defendants into the Sotomayer confirmation hearings, for the simple reason that the confirmation is pretty much a done deal. I think it would make more sense to hold fire for the next appointment, or any appointment that would replace a conservative justice with a liberal one and change the balance of the court. The Sotomayor appt won't do that.

re: #74 Floral Giraffe

I need a dip!

I was gonna do that!

re: #78 sngnsgt

LOL, good one...

You know who that zookeeper is in the ad, don't you?

It's Ernie Sabella. You might know him as Larry's and Balki's landlord from Perfect Strangers, or as the voice of Pumbaa (the warthog) from The Lion King .

re: #81 iceweasel

I am resigned to the inevitable fact of her appointment to the Supreme Court. But even though I know she'll get the vote, the thought still nauseates me. She is youngish and healthy and will curse this nation with racialist advocacy rulings for decades to come.

Elephants are contagious.

Does Michael Jackson got a case of the elephant (man's) bones.?

Mammals for $300

re: #83 gmsc

Good catch...

re: #81 iceweasel

Oh...I have no doubt Sotomayor is going to get confirmed. But if the Democrats and their MSM cheerleaders want to act like a bunch of rabid howler monkeys flinging their shit at the 17 New Haven Firefighters who passed the exam in the process [and giving the GOP valuable ammo for 2010], who am I to stop them?

re: #84 zombie

Why do you think that, Zombie? Wasn't she a centrist nominated by George W. Bush, to a lower level court, but on track for a Supremes job?

G'nite, lizards. I am out. Take care.

re: #89 Pvt Bin Jammin

G'nite PB&J.

re: #89 Pvt Bin Jammin

G'nite, lizards. I am out. Take care.

G'Nite, PBJ!

re: #89 Pvt Bin Jammin

{{PBJ}}}
Hope all works out with the kid!
Good Luck!

re: #89 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good night Bin Jammin.

re: #84 zombie

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I see nothing in Sotomayor's record to indicate that, notwithstanding the charges being made by various people on the right. Including the Ricci decision.

In any case, she really is pretty much the best appt people on the right could hope for, and her appt is not going to shift the balance of the court.

re: #81 iceweasel

I think it'll be a mistake for the GOP to drag the Ricci defendants into the Sotomayer confirmation hearings,...

Oh, there is always use for political theater. In this case there are no doubt individuals who want the Ricci case participants to speak at the hearing merely so there can be a longer hearing, with more heat.

re: #90 Fenway_Nation

G'nite PB&J.

No, no, no!

PBJ = Private Bin Jammin
PB&J = Peanut Butter & Jelly!
;)

re: #88 Floral Giraffe

Why do you think that, Zombie? Wasn't she a centrist nominated by George W. Bush, to a lower level court, but on track for a Supremes job?

Exactly, GHWB first nominated her.

re: #87 Fenway_Nation

Oh...I have no doubt Sotomayor is going to get confirmed.

/very unimpressive as a Supreme Court nominee

re: #60 Killian Bundy

The Role of Government Affordable Housing Policy in Creating the Global Financial Crisis of 2008

26 pages, read the whole thing.

/pdf format apparently not allowed in spinoffs

KB, very interesting document. Are there other authors of this report, besides Issa? I don't see any listed.

With his criminal record, he wouldn't be my first choice as an investigator.

re: #98 Killian Bundy

Agreed- but look at the majority in both houses right now.

re: #95 freetoken

Oh, there is always use for political theater. In this case there are no doubt individuals who want the Ricci case participants to speak at the hearing merely so there can be a longer hearing, with more heat.

Definitely, and the theatre has as its real purpose not the blocking of Sotomayor, but dragging the Overton Window all the way to the right: portray Sotomayor (who is really a centrist and moderate) as some kind of radical liberal. This way when and if Obama nominates a truly liberal Justice, or one who will shift the balance of the court, the groundwork is in place for portraying that person as just barely to the left of an anarchist.

re: #80 kateca

the first one I almost ran over on the road, the other I almost bush-hogged. They now live in my herb garden.

Bless your heart. For a turtle, living in your herb garden is a consummation devoutly to be wish'd.

re: #84 zombie

I am resigned to the inevitable fact of her appointment to the Supreme Court. But even though I know she'll get the vote, the thought still nauseates me. She is youngish and healthy and will curse this nation with racialist advocacy rulings for decades to come.

Which sucks but...

Obama won. Elections have consequences. "Advise and Consent" means the senate 86es her only if she's not qualified for the position. As much as I'm not thrilled with her, "not liking her politics" ≠ "not qualified" and since we gave moonbats a rash of shit for hoping that Roberts and Alito would be blocked for partisan reasons, it would be hypocritical to want the same now.

This is why the GOP cannot afford to nominate unelectable whack-jobs or milquetoast DNC-lite candidates.

re: #97 iceweasel

Exactly, GHWB first nominated her.

What does she mean By the "wise Latina" thing?

re: #88 Floral Giraffe

Why do you think that, Zombie? Wasn't she a centrist nominated by George W. Bush, to a lower level court, but on track for a Supremes job?

I think that because of her track record of rulings and statements that seem to have an unmistakeable racial-awareness tinge to them. It's sort of the defining philosophy of her legal career.

I don't care who appointed her where or what her positions are on other issues. I only care that she is not race-blind in her judicial philosophy and personal attitude, and that seriously bothers me.

re: #97 iceweasel

It's interesting to me, the way or the path of a jurist towards our nations highest court. It isn't REALLY all that political, at least so it seems to me. It's more bipartisan than most political things, these days, partially because it's a LIFETIME appointment. Non revocable. SO BOTH sides want a centrist-ty nominee. It's interesting to watch Sotamaier not get "Borked". And wonder why...
And wait to watch, If and or WHEN her opinions change...

Please, may I request a video of the heads exploding?
I think she will be a suprise.
I hope & pray she is a good one.
And maybe, just maybe has read & understands the onstitution.
PLEASE???

re: #104 BatGuano

What does she mean By the "wise Latina" thing?

I'd have to go back and look at the whole context of that speech again, but my memory of it is that she was discussing the length of time it took SCOTUS and other courts to recognise the validity of discrimination claims (specifically ones involving women in the workplace, IIRC) and her point was that a court consisting of people with experiences other than 'white male' might have been able to come to those decisions sooner.

re: #81 iceweasel

Right. The best we can hope for is for R's in the Senate to ask her tough questions.
Remember Clarance Thomas. Remember the humiilaiting questions that were asked of him?

Sometimes I love that R's are above the small-mindedness. Sometimes I hate it.

re: #107 iceweasel

I'd have to go back and look at the whole context of that speech again, but my memory of it is that she was discussing the length of time it took SCOTUS and other courts to recognise the validity of discrimination claims (specifically ones involving women in the workplace, IIRC) and her point was that a court consisting of people with experiences other than 'white male' might have been able to come to those decisions sooner.

Exactly. Thank you for proving my point. Even phrased as euphemistically as you just did, that racialist attitude is just sickening.

KB, very interesting document. Are there other authors of this report, besides Issa? I don't see any listed.

With his criminal record, he wouldn't be my first choice as an investigator.

Again, what the hell are you talking about?

On Jan. 16, 1973, Issa pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of possession of an unregistered gun. A magistrate fined him $100, put him on probation and ordered him to pay $107 in court costs. At the time, Issa was a student at Siena Heights University in Adrian, Mich. The arrest was first reported by the Adrian Daily Telegram on July 16

/and what does it have to do with the time of day?

Good Night, Dear Lizards & Zombie!

re: #106 Floral Giraffe

It's interesting to me, the way or the path of a jurist towards our nations highest court. It isn't REALLY all that political, at least so it seems to me. It's more bipartisan than most political things, these days, partially because it's a LIFETIME appointment. Non revocable. SO BOTH sides want a centrist-ty nominee. It's interesting to watch Sotamaier not get "Borked". And wonder why...
And wait to watch, If and or WHEN her opinions change...

Please, may I request a video of the heads exploding?
I think she will be a suprise.
I hope & pray she is a good one.
And maybe, just maybe has read & understands the onstitution.
PLEASE???

I think on balance she *is* going to turn out to be a decent nominee, from everything I've read. By that I don't mean "someone whose opinions/philosophy I always agree with", but rather that she'll be careful, prudent, and meticulous. Her reputation is that of an extremely detail-oriented jurist.

I think conservatives (or at least centrists/moderates) are going to be pleasantly surprised by her.

re: #111 Floral Giraffe

Good Night, Dear Lizards & Zombie!

G'Nite, FG!

re: #107 iceweasel

Good lord- does any lizard have some insulin from all this sugar-coating?

re: #111 Floral Giraffe

Good Night, Dear Lizards & Zombie!

Thanks -- but why am I the only one who gets named individually? We're all bozos on this bus! Now I'm embarrassed.

re: #107 iceweasel

I'll look it up too, I should have prefaced that question by saying," Hi Iceweasel, how ya doi'n". My bad. :)

re: #109 zombie

Exactly. Thank you for proving my point. Even phrased as euphemistically as you just did, that racialist attitude is just sickening.

I don't think it's racist or discriminatory to note that members of minority populations/populations that experience discrimination are more capable of recognising discrimination.

re: #111 Floral Giraffe

Good Night, Dear Lizards & Zombie!

Good night, Floral.

re: #111 Floral Giraffe

G'nite, quilted quail!

/phoning it in now...

Oh, Just Great

Richard Epstein on Sotomayor:

Here is one straw in the wind that does not bode well for a Sotomayor appointment. Justice Stevens of the current court came in for a fair share of criticism (all justified in my view) for his expansive reading in Kelo v. City of New London (2005) of the “public use language.” Of course, the takings clause of the Fifth Amendment is as complex as it is short: “Nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” But he was surely done one better in the Summary Order in Didden v. Village of Port Chester issued by the Second Circuit in 2006. Judge Sotomayor was on the panel that issued the unsigned opinion–one that makes Justice Stevens look like a paradigmatic defender of strong property rights.

I have written about Didden in Forbes. The case involved about as naked an abuse of government power as could be imagined. Bart Didden came up with an idea to build a pharmacy on land he owned in a redevelopment district in Port Chester over which the town of Port Chester had given Greg Wasser control. Wasser told Didden that he would approve the project only if Didden paid him $800,000 or gave him a partnership interest. The “or else” was that the land would be promptly condemned by the village, and Wasser would put up a pharmacy himself. Just that came to pass. But the Second Circuit panel on which Sotomayor sat did not raise an eyebrow. Its entire analysis reads as follows: “We agree with the district court that [Wasser's] voluntary attempt to resolve appellants’ demands was neither an unconstitutional exaction in the form of extortion nor an equal protection violation.”

Maybe I am missing something, but American business should shudder in its boots if Judge Sotomayor takes this attitude to the Supreme Court.

I covered the Didden case back in 2006, where I called it “the worst government abuse I have seen lately,” an abuse that has since been Okay-ed by Sotomayor.

Update: I guess given his actions in Chrysler, Obama was happy to nominate a Supreme Court justice who gives a legal pass to outright blackmail.

re: #116 BatGuano

I'll look it up too, I should have prefaced that question by saying," Hi Iceweasel, how ya doi'n". My bad. :)

Hey cutie. :) How are you this evening, O Noble Nocturnal member of the species Chiroptera?

re: #110 Killian Bundy

I hate it when people try to pass that by as some kind of "gotcha" like he was Randy Cunningham or something. He was 19 years old at the time.

re: #117 iceweasel

I don't think it's racist or discriminatory to note that members of minority populations/populations that experience discrimination are more capable of recognising discrimination.

You're opening up a huge can of worms. It's too late at night to start that argument all over again. So, I will let it slide. Only will say: I disagree with her attitude on this issue, on many levels.

re: #117 iceweasel

I don't think it's racist or discriminatory to note that members of minority populations/populations that experience discrimination are more capable of recognising discrimination.

/absolutely, they're encouraged to discriminate

re: #114 Fenway_Nation

Good lord- does any lizard have some insulin from all this sugar-coating?

Meh, that's my memory of it. I'd have to go check. To be honest, I'm not especially interested in this anymore as she's going to be confirmed and I think the issues being raised are largely bogus.

re: #125 iceweasel

Meh, that's my memory of it. I'd have to go check. To be honest, I'm not especially interested in this anymore as she's going to be confirmed and I think the issues being raised are largely bogus.

Well, we don't think they're bogus.

We do agree she'll be approved. We don't agree that it's a good thing.

re: #123 zombie

It's too late at night to start that argument all over again.

Only will say: I disagree with her attitude on this issue, on many levels.

As stated, we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not particularly interested in having an argument over it at any time, frankly, for the reasons already given.

re: #127 iceweasel

As stated, we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not particularly interested in having an argument over it at any time, frankly, for the reasons already given.

/you can stop any time

re: #121 iceweasel

Hey cutie. :) How are you this evening, O Noble Nocturnal member of the species Chiroptera?

Hi Ice! O member of the eggsucking Mustela species. (I'm joking)!

re: #117 iceweasel

I don't think it's racist or discriminatory to note that members of minority populations/populations that experience discrimination are more capable of recognising discrimination.

ouch. You lost me there.

re: #110 Killian Bundy

/and what does it have to do with the time of day?

I'm talking about Issa's crediblity. You left out the string of car thefts and a lot of other stuff. Is a U.S. Representative's past, before they reached the House, not important to you?

Are there other authors, or is this Issa's report? Seems very partisan to me.

re: #125 iceweasel

Her screwing the pooch on Ricci Vs DeStefano plus her stance on Heller vs DC aren't bogus to me.

And I have relatives who are firefighters. I take very personally any attempt to smear Ricci or the other 16 New Haven plantiffs...

Good night, all!

re: #131 ShanghaiEd

I'm talking about Issa's crediblity. You left out the string of car thefts and a lot of other stuff. Is a U.S. Representative's past, before they reached the House, not important to you?

Linky?

/by the way it was a staff report, Issa didn't write it

re: #133 gmsc

You're not gonna stay up for fruitcup?

re: #132 Fenway_Nation

Her screwing the pooch on Ricci Vs DeStefano plus her stance on Heller vs DC aren't bogus to me.

And I have relatives who are firefighters. I take very personally any attempt to smear Ricci or the other 16 New Haven plantiffs...

I've got firefighter relatives myself, so if anything I'm going to be pro-firefighter always.

I don't think she could have ruled differently in Ricci than she did. SCOTUS made the right decision too in overturning it, seems to me.

re: #125 iceweasel

Ice, I love you, But I disagree. We agree that she will be confirmed. We disagree on what I see has racial (if not racist) statements.

re: #137 BatGuano

Ice, I love you, But I disagree. We agree that she will be confirmed. We disagree on what I see has racial (if not racist) statements.

I love you too, Bat. You know that!

Nothing wrong with disagreeing; I like pleasant and intelligent people with whom I can have pleasant and intelligent discussions. I learn more from people I disagree with than people with whom I already agree anyway. :)

re: #131 ShanghaiEd

Is a U.S. Representative's past, before they reached the House, not important to you?

Not as important as a US Presidential candidates past might be...like a candidate who was addicted to cocaine, openyl espoused redistributative economic policies or regularly attended a church who's pastor was a vile anti-American preacher at times indistinguishable from Hezbollah's Nasrallah.

/just sayin'

re: #137 BatGuano

As her (not 'has'). PIMF

re: #138 iceweasel

Ditto.

re: #131 ShanghaiEd

Are there other authors, or is this Issa's report? Seems very partisan to me.

Are you going to dispute the report's 26 page truthfulness?

/or just bitch about the messenger?

re: #142 Killian Bundy

Ed left out the part where Issa in one of them thar' scay-ree Ay-rabs!

/Or was that his trump card?

re: #134 Killian Bundy

Linky?

/by the way it was a staff report, Issa didn't write it

Dozens of sources out there, but here's a fairly comprehensive one from 2003. (I apologize for having to use a San Francisco newspaper, but he's from California.)

How can I find out the other authors, and whether the committee doing the investigating was a bipartisan one. Is that not important?

re: #130 kateca

ouch. You lost me there.

re: #117 iceweasel

I don't think it's racist or discriminatory to note that members of minority populations/populations that experience discrimination are more capable of recognising discrimination.

Minority population is juat about like majority population. Some have animosity, some do not.

re: #144 ShanghaiEd

Dozens of sources out there, but here's a fairly comprehensive one from 2003. (I apologize for having to use a San Francisco newspaper, but he's from California.)?

And Ted Kennedy drove an Oldsmobile,

How can I find out the other authors, and whether the committee doing the investigating was a bipartisan one. Is that not important

/there are no other authors, it's comprehensivly footnooted, sorry it hurts but you'll eventually need to deal with reality

re: #145 kateca

Minority population is juat about like majority population. Some have animosity, some do not.

Sure. No one would dispute that, I don't think.

re: #147 iceweasel

well that's refreshing. I began to believe I lived in a world of double standards.

Ed and Ice,

Back at ya re Goldman Sachs in the other thread.

Take care.

re: #117 iceweasel

I don't think it's racist or discriminatory to note that members of minority populations/populations that experience discrimination are more capable of recognising discrimination.

The majority is equally capable of recognizing racial discrimination: note Sotomayor's overturned Ricci decision.

re: #146 Killian Bundy

And Ted Kennedy drove an Oldsmobile,

And don't forget the Clintons! :)

Seriously, I don't trust one politician's views on anything. Especially somebody with Issa's shady past. At least a committee would have some checks and balances, give and take. Sorry I'm not more accepting.

Do you think Issa doesn't have an agenda?

re: #149 jvic

Ed and Ice,

Back at ya re Goldman Sachs in the other thread.

Take care.

thanks, jvic! Have a good evening.

re: #149 jvic

Ed and Ice,

Back at ya re Goldman Sachs in the other thread.

Take care.

Thanks jvic! Will check it out.

re: #151 ShanghaiEd

And don't forget the Clintons! :)

Seriously, I don't trust one politician's views on anything. Especially somebody with Issa's shady past. At least a committee would have some checks and balances, give and take. Sorry I'm not more accepting.

Do you think Issa doesn't have an agenda?

I knew this would happen, ISSA DIDN'T WRITE THE REPORT!

/have you actually read the 26 pages?

re: #151 ShanghaiEd

Seriously, I don't trust one politician's views on anything.

So I guess that same standard of yours applies to barney Frank or Nancy pelosi then?

re: #155 Fenway_Nation

So I guess that same standard of yours applies to barney Frank or Nancy pelosi then?

Absolutely. When have I said otherwise? I'm sick of both parties; have been for years.

re: #156 ShanghaiEd

I'm sick of both parties

/liar, liar, pants on fire

re: #156 ShanghaiEd

Absolutely. When have I said otherwise? I'm sick of both parties; have been for years.

Ditto. In some ways I hate the Democratic Party more than I do the Republican party.

re: #156 ShanghaiEd

It's more along the lines of what you haven't said. I don't think I've seen you questioning democrats anywhere near as much as you do republicans.

/Isn't healthy skepticism best reserved for the ones with the majorities in both houses and the White House?

re: #154 Killian Bundy

I knew this would happen, ISSA DIDN'T WRITE THE REPORT!

/have you actually read the 26 pages?

No need to shout, KB. Are you saying this report is credible even though you don't know who wrote it? Because it has footnotes?

If I posted a Congressional report I agreed with, complete with footnotes, how much weight would that carry with you?

re: #160 ShanghaiEd

No need to shout, KB. Are you saying this report is credible even though you don't know who wrote it? Because it has footnotes?

If I posted a Congressional report I agreed with, complete with footnotes, how much weight would that carry with you?

Simple question.

/have you read the 26 pages?

re: #159 Fenway_Nation

It's more along the lines of what you haven't said. I don't think I've seen you questioning democrats anywhere near as much as you do republicans.

/Isn't healthy skepticism best reserved for the ones with the majorities in both houses and the White House?

And I don't think I've seen you questioning Republicans nearly as much as you do Democrats. Which proves...?

/I had healthy skepticism for years, and was told repeatedly that I was a traitor who should stick my criticism up my ass. When did skepticism quit being traitorous?

As you might imagine, this is a sore point with me.

It is necessary at this point to introduce Monty Python. No thread is complete without them.

re: #159 Fenway_Nation

It's more along the lines of what you haven't said. I don't think I've seen you questioning democrats anywhere near as much as you do republicans.

/Isn't healthy skepticism best reserved for the ones with the majorities in both houses and the White House?

Scepticism and criticism are both healthy and necessary no matter who is in power, and those in power should be subjected to both.

A large part of my disgust with the MSM is that I feel they abdicated those roles long ago.

re: #162 ShanghaiEd

When did skepticism quit being traitorous?

Nov 5th. Didn't you get the memo? :)

re: #161 Killian Bundy

Simple question.

/have you read the 26 pages?

Yes. Couldn't recite it by heart, but I did read it. Including footnotes.

Simple questions:

Are you saying this report is credible even though you don't know who wrote it? Because it has footnotes?

If I posted a Congressional report I agreed with, complete with footnotes, how much weight would that carry with you?

re: #161 Killian Bundy

/have you read the 26 pages?

Killian, for all this rumbling about S.Ed reading the report, you haven't told us why you think it is true/important.

In other words, give us a reason to want to read the report.

re: #166 ShanghaiEd

Yes. Couldn't recite it by heart, but I did read it. Including footnotes.

Simple questions:

Are you saying this report is credible even though you don't know who wrote it? Because it has footnotes?

If I posted a Congressional report I agreed with, complete with footnotes, how much weight would that carry with you?

I know exactly who wrote it.

/post away, I'll read it

re: #165 iceweasel

Nov 5th. Didn't you get the memo? :)

Sorry. They didn't mention that in the talking points list I receive each morning. They always liked you better than me. :)

re: #168 Killian Bundy

I know exactly who wrote it.

The staff. I got that.

re: #168 Killian Bundy

/post away, I'll read it

Thanks. I don't have one handy at the moment, but I'll sure take you up on the offer in the future.

re: #167 freetoken

In other words, give us a reason to want to read the report.

/I don't know, the role of government actors in obliterating many trillions of dollars in investor equity over the past two years

re: #162 ShanghaiEd

I had healthy skepticism for years, and was told repeatedly that I was a traitor who should stick my criticism up my ass. When did skepticism quit being traitorous?

Boo-freakin'-hoo. How's the view from your cross? Can you see your house from there?

Maybe if the Dems didn't enthusiastically blood-libel our soliders in Iraq for the last six years, or try and kill off the American economy with billions of dollars in kickbacks and favors or wipe out businesses in the name of 'climate change', I wouldn't be so skeptical of them or what they had to say...

Statement: We have an administration who unabiguously view American Economic and Military supremacy as bad things that must be curtailed at all costs.

Am I wrong?

/Hva yet to see any evidence to the contrary.

re: #172 Killian Bundy

/I don't know, the role of government actors in obliterating many trillions of dollars in investor equity over the past two years

As adjudged by The Staff.

re: #172 Killian Bundy

/I don't know, the role of government actors in obliterating many trillions of dollars in investor equity over the past two years

lol

re: #172 Killian Bundy

/I don't know, the role of government actors in obliterating many trillions of dollars in investor equity over the past two years

The [Link: WWW...] chock full of discussion on the current "crisis"/recession etc., including attempts at attribution of guilt.

The hot item over the weekend was last Thursday's Bloomberg radio show with Shiller and Roubini, the link to which you can find here:
[Link: www.ritholtz.com...]

It is not clear to me why that report you linked (btw, was it a product of the minority party only?) is any more revelatory than any of thousands of others.

I read quite a bit on the internet everyday, and I for one appreciate it when somebody explains why they think any given item is worthy of my time.

re: #174 ShanghaiEd

As adjudged by The Staff.

/again, what's your objection to the content?

re: #173 Fenway_Nation

Boo-freakin'-hoo. How's the view from your cross? Can you see your house from there?

Maybe if the Dems didn't enthusiastically blood-libel our soliders in Iraq for the last six years, or try and kill off the American economy with billions of dollars in kickbacks and favors or wipe out businesses in the name of 'climate change', I wouldn't be so skeptical of them or what they had to say...

Statement: We have an administration who unabiguously view American Economic and Military supremacy as bad things that must be curtailed at all costs.

Am I wrong?

/Hva yet to see any evidence to the contrary.

I can see your cross from mine. See me waving? :)

Totally different argument, Fenway, different subject. We're discussing why I should take Congressman Issa's report as credible.

If you're looking for somebody to defend the Democrats for you, you're looking at the wrong guy. Possibly the wrongest guy.

I look forward to discussing those other things with you in the future, though. Hope you'll bring them up when a thread is fresh and my fingers aren't worn out from ranting.

re: #174 ShanghaiEd

As adjudged by The Staff.

As adjudged by anyone who has actually paid attention to what the hell has been going on lately.

re: #173 Fenway_Nation

/Hva yet to see any evidence to the contrary.

Might help to read more independent sources. There's evidence to the contrary for everything.

re: #179 TheMatrix31

As adjudged by anyone who has actually paid attention to what the hell has been going on lately.

I'm sorry...what did you say? :)

Seriously...You're accusing me of not paying attention?

re: #176 freetoken

Roubini.

/how many times does he have to predict the world is going to end?

re: #180 ShanghaiEd

Most 'independent' sources are too busy fellating the 0bama admin. to speak clearly.

re: #94 iceweasel

In any case, she really is pretty much the best appt people on the right could hope for, and her appt is not going to shift the balance of the court.

I agree- this is a moderate replacing a moderate. We should be so lucky the next time.

re: #181 ShanghaiEd

I'm sorry...what did you say? :)

Seriously...You're accusing me of not paying attention?

"I don't know, the role of government actors in obliterating many trillions of dollars in investor equity over the past two years"

and your response was "As adjudged by The Staff", which seemed to show skepticism of KB's statement because it was "written by Staff", as if it was some BS pulled out of thin air.

The government HAS obliterated trillions of dollars, and seemingly on their way to destroying trillions more.

re: #183 Fenway_Nation

Werd.

re: #177 Killian Bundy

/again, what's your objection to the content?

I haven't verified the content. My opinion? It's troubling, but not surprising, if that's what you mean. I have to take it at face value, until I can do more research on it.

But any report is only a small part of the bigger picture, right? You're not saying it's definitive? What about all the other reports being written on the subject right now?

re: #183 Fenway_Nation

Most 'independent' sources are too busy fellating the 0bama admin. to speak clearly.

Tell me about it. You have to leave those out, and use the other ones.

re: #187 ShanghaiEd

I haven't verified the content. My opinion? It's troubling, but not surprising, if that's what you mean. I have to take it at face value, until I can do more research on it.

/In other words, you haven't even [expletive deleted] read the 26 pages

Thomas Jefferson wrote:

"When I hear another express an opinion which is not mine, I say to myself, he has a right to his opinion, as I to mine.
Why should I question it. His error does me no injury, and shall I become a Don Quixote, to bring all men by force of argument to one opinion?...Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish the habit of silence, especially in politics".

But that would make LGF boring!

re: #185 TheMatrix31

"I don't know, the role of government actors in obliterating many trillions of dollars in investor equity over the past two years"

and your response was "As adjudged by The Staff", which seemed to show skepticism of KB's statement because it was "written by Staff", as if it was some BS pulled out of thin air.

The government HAS obliterated trillions of dollars, and seemingly on their way to destroying trillions more.

I didn't say B.S. or thin air, Matrix. When I judge the credibility of something, the first thing I want to know is who wrote it? Do they have an agenda? How do you judge credibility?

I'm not arguing the government has obliterated trillions and screwed every pooch in sight. I'm asking why I should trust this anonymous version of it. If you take Congressional reports as gospel, you have a much more favorable view of the government than I do.

Light-hearted interjection to very serious late night discussion on LGF

A man walks into a bar and yells out "OWW!!"

re: #190 BatGuano

Thomas Jefferson wrote:

"When I hear another express an opinion which is not mine, I say to myself, he has a right to his opinion, as I to mine.
Why should I question it. His error does me no injury, and shall I become a Don Quixote, to bring all men by force of argument to one opinion?...Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish the habit of silence, especially in politics".

But that would make LGF boring!

+1776!

re: #189 Killian Bundy

/In other words, you haven't even [expletive deleted] read the 26 pages

Run out of facts, use accusations? I sense some anger here.

I read it once, then scanned it again, still looking for who wrote it. Which is when I posted to ask you that question. Remember?

But that's not really what you're angry about, I'm guessing. None of my business. I think we've about argued this one out, don't you?

re: #193 Sharmuta

Jefferson was an amazing contradiction. What he wrote; how he lived, and what he believed.

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

w00t! FINALLY got it right.

/just don't ask me to do it again... ;-)

re: #196 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thank you, littleoldlady!

re: #195 BatGuano

Jefferson was an amazing contradiction. What he wrote; how he lived, and what he believed.

I love Jefferson. He's one of my heroes. Such a fascinating guy too, for the very contradictions that you note.

re: #196 littleoldlady

Gonna try your luck with the Pwerball next, LoL?

BatGuano! :-)

re: #190 BatGuano

Thomas Jefferson wrote:

"When I hear another express an opinion which is not mine, I say to myself, he has a right to his opinion, as I to mine.
Why should I question it. His error does me no injury, and shall I become a Don Quixote, to bring all men by force of argument to one opinion?...Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish the habit of silence, especially in politics".

But that would make LGF boring!

I disagree with "The Jeff" here. Why remain silent and let people who are wrong continue to run the discourse in the country or anywhere, for that matter? That would only perpetuate inaccuracy in future generations.

re: #194 ShanghaiEd

Run out of facts, use accusations? I sense some anger here.

I read it once, then scanned it again, still looking for who wrote it. Which is when I posted to ask you that question. Remember?/blockquote>

Hey numbnuts, as I previously posted it's a staff report

/sorry you can't handle realiy

Fenway! :-)

That's a given!

/...because I'm a masochist :-/

re: #191 ShanghaiEd

I didn't say B.S. or thin air, Matrix. When I judge the credibility of something, the first thing I want to know is who wrote it? Do they have an agenda? How do you judge credibility?

I'm not arguing the government has obliterated trillions and screwed every pooch in sight. I'm asking why I should trust this anonymous version of it. If you take Congressional reports as gospel, you have a much more favorable view of the government than I do.

Well if that's the case, then ya of course. But if the content is correct, then I don't care what the source is.

re: #196 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Shit, it's 2am already?!

Matrix! :-)

Nope, it's 5 am already!

/go to bed! ;-)
//mom mode

re: #207 littleoldlady

Matrix! :-)

Nope, it's 5 am already!

/go to bed! ;-)
//mom mode

But Mooommm...it's SUMMER!

re: #202 TheMatrix31

That is the contradiction in his character. He did not argue forcefully on his own behalf, he encouraged surrogates.

re: #208 TheMatrix31

I don't care! You have school tomorrow/today!

re: #210 littleoldlady

I don't care! You have school tomorrow/today!

I actually don't :)

Hooray for Tuesday/Thursday!

Morning Lizards.

Hi all. it's 3 am here and I cannot sleep.
Perusing the interwebs I found htis VDH to be enlightening.

The Larger Agenda

Note here I mean something quite different from the accustomed notion of “accomplish.” You see, I think the point was never much to build more bike paths on borrowed money or just bail out GM, but rather more to reengineer the tax code, as part of a grander vision of creating a new equality of result in America.

Soon we will all end up after each April 15 about making the same, driving the same sort of cars and using the same sort of mass transit, living in about the same sorts of houses, and having about the same sorts of “‘they’ will take care of it for me” philosophies — all overseen by brilliant, but highly ranked and exempt Platonic Guardians who suffer on our behalf as they jet and limo at breakneck speed ensuring our welfare.

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
and this..

re: #211 TheMatrix31

Yeah, I just tried that on my daughter a couple of hours ago...

"Nope! My class is Tues/Weds/Thurs. Monday is my day off!"

/frustrated mom mode ;-)

&
The Bad Guys

Ponder a simple fact: The Obama administration is dispersing income lavishly to those who do not pay taxes and it will have to be paid for by those who do. For all the talk of that awful percentile who make over $200,000, this administration has not distinguished the hyper-rich 1% that make untold money (e.g., the Buffets, Soroses, Turners, Gateses, Kerrys, Gores, etc), from the much more demonized, larger 5% of the population whose income does not come from investments and insider influence and deal-making, but rather from providing more tangible goods and services — the family doctor, the plumbing contractor, the small lumber company owner, the car dealer, the local family-held insurance company, the airline pilot, the car-leasing firm, the patent attorney, etc.

“Their Fair Share”

Last fall we heard that this percentile was unpatriotic, did not wish to spread the wealth around, and had made off like bandits under Bush. But the fact is, to quote Mayor Gavin Newsome’s “like it or not,” they are precisely those who decide most dynamically whether to hire, fire, expand, contract, buy/sell goods, etc.

And the results of the Obama war against them are threefold: 1) in major key states, the productive minority’s state income taxes will near or exceed 10%; their federal rates will go to 40%; the abolition of caps on FICA will ensure 15% plus of most of their income will go for new Medicare and Social Security bites; and they may well be eligible for a newly proposed punitive health-care surcharge tax of 4-6%.

re: #212 rightside

Morning rightside! How's it going?

rightside! :-)

FrogMarch! :-)

Mornin' folks...got the coffee on, any fruitcup left?

re: #216 BatGuano

morning BG, going well.

re: #217 littleoldlady

lol!

re: #218 srb1976

srb!

Damn! gmsc signed off at 12:29 and I missed it. I knew there was something missing.

why the left will never get it:

Add It Up

If one were to add all that up (forget rises in sales taxes, inheritance taxes, luxury taxes, etc.), then one can get to 70% of one’s income. So right this minute, the electrical contractor is thinking:

“I made $412,000 last year due to Saturday jobs, overtime, risky bidding, gambles on new equipment, and new lines of credit, but under Obama I will pay maybe $50-80,000 more of my income to the government. In other words the cost of, say, hiring two more entry-level electricians, or the cost of outfitting an entire new van with boom and equipment, or what I cleared every Saturday last year — all that will go to the government.”

Ripples of Doubt

And that means rippling throughout this key sector of the economy — even before these taxes have been enacted — are hesitation, stasis, and ultimately constriction — at first for psychological reasons, soon confirmed by the actual facts of less money. In short, very bright people will be thinking how to hide income, how to barter, how to slow down and not produce goods and services, rather than blast full speed ahead and enrich angry others.

Comment from The teleskiguy:

As a young conservative who would like to see the Republican brand labeled as The Party of Lincoln once again (not to mention win elections with small-government candidates) I'm patently disgusted with the election of 38-year-old Audra Shay as chairperson of the Young Republicans. It is yet another example of the Republicans in the wilderness pandering to the extreme far right. And if the reporting by thedailybeast.com is correct and true, young Republicans everywhere should bow their heads in shame. Whisper campaigns against the opposition and fisticuffs on the convention floor is wholly intolerable. With the way things are, Republicans are cementing thier fate as a minority/regional party very quickly. Not cool.

re: #202 TheMatrix31

I disagree with "The Jeff" here. Why remain silent and let people who are wrong continue to run the discourse in the country or anywhere, for that matter? That would only perpetuate inaccuracy in future generations.

My question would be, why should anybody "run" the discourse at all? Sounds anti-democratic to me, almost authoritarian. Why not listen to the entire public conversation, and make up your own mind based on the evidence?

And who gets to decide what's "inaccuracy"? The people "running" the discourse? There's the rub.

Just my two cents.

re: #202 TheMatrix31

I disagree with "The Jeff" here. Why remain silent and let people who are wrong continue to run the discourse in the country or anywhere, for that matter? That would only perpetuate inaccuracy in future generations.

I think he's making the broader point in support of free speech in general: the idea that there is no idea so dangerous that it cannot be talked about. By discussing bad ideas freely and openly they will come to be seen as such and rejected; by discussing good ideas (no matter how unpopular at one time) they also will be evaluated fairly and truth recognised.

It's part of a more general Enlightenment kind of faith in our reason.

re: #214 littleoldlady

Yeah, I just tried that on my daughter a couple of hours ago...

"Nope! My class is Tues/Weds/Thurs. Monday is my day off!"

/frustrated mom mode ;-)

It's too hot to be frustrated.

re: #225 TheMatrix31

It's too hot to be frustrated.

Unless you're frustrated because it's too hot.

Thank you {littleoldlady}! The exclamation points are fixed!

re: #222 teleskiguy

Comment from The teleskiguy:

As a young conservative who would like to see the Republican brand labeled as The Party of Lincoln once again (not to mention win elections with small-government candidates) I'm patently disgusted with the election of 38-year-old Audra Shay as chairperson of the Young Republicans. It is yet another example of the Republicans in the wilderness pandering to the extreme far right. And if the reporting by thedailybeast.com is correct and true, young Republicans everywhere should bow their heads in shame. Whisper campaigns against the opposition and fisticuffs on the convention floor is wholly intolerable. With the way things are, Republicans are cementing thier fate as a minority/regional party very quickly. Not cool.

I am SO glad you posted about this; I was reading the DB coverage and it is just crazy that Shay won the vote. I think it's emblematic of the divisions in the GOP more generally, and all I can say is that if this is the direction the GOP wants to head in, they're going to be in the political wilderness for a long, long time.

re: #223 ShanghaiEd

My question would be, why should anybody "run" the discourse at all? Sounds anti-democratic to me, almost authoritarian. Why not listen to the entire public conversation, and make up your own mind based on the evidence?

And who gets to decide what's "inaccuracy"? The people "running" the discourse? There's the rub.

Just my two cents.

Well yeah, that's great in theory, but look at what's happening today. If conservatives "stayed silent", God knows what the hell would happen considering the liberals run academia, the media, and two of the three branches of government. The perceptions that are being developed are bad enough as is.

srb! :-)

{Sharmuta!} :-)

/YAY!

re: #205 TheMatrix31

Well if that's the case, then ya of course. But if the content is correct, then I don't care what the source is.

But how do you decide content is "correct" without knowing the credibility of the source?

I'm heading out soon, here, but will check replies tomorrow. Look forward to talking with you again.

re: #203 Killian Bundy

Hey numbnuts, as I previously posted it's a staff report

/sorry you can't handle realiy

Staff report. Yes. Trust me, I'm very clear on that.

Enjoyed talking with you, KB. Got to go get some rest. Hope you have a good evening.

re: #221 FrogMarch

In short, very bright people will be thinking how to hide income, how to barter, how to slow down and not produce goods and services, rather than blast full speed ahead and enrich angry others.

Yup. I've been seeing this exact statement from people in many different sectors.

/they know not what they have wrought!

re: #231 ShanghaiEd

But how do you decide content is "correct" without knowing the credibility of the source?

I'm heading out soon, here, but will check replies tomorrow. Look forward to talking with you again.

Well, if something has been proven by someone that is unbiased, and through multiple channels, it tends to start being accepted as a valid explanation.

re: #233 littleoldlady

Yup. I've been seeing this exact statement from people in many different sectors.

/they know not what they have wrought!

Like I've said many times before, it almost kills my drive to be successful because it seems like there won't be any point to busting my ass.

It's a tag team.re: #228 iceweasel

I am SO glad you posted about this; I was reading the DB coverage and it is just crazy that Shay won the vote. I think it's emblematic of the divisions in the GOP more generally, and all I can say is that if this is the direction the GOP wants to head in, they're going to be in the political wilderness for a long, long time.

Feel free to be a partisan hack asshole all day long.

/Robert Byrd, three heartbeats away

re: #229 TheMatrix31

Well yeah, that's great in theory, but look at what's happening today. If conservatives "stayed silent", God knows what the hell would happen considering the liberals run academia, the media, and two of the three branches of government. The perceptions that are being developed are bad enough as is.

I certainly don't think anybody should stay silent. I just don't think anybody should "run" the discourse. Everybody gets to talk, everybody has to listen. I think Jefferson was saying that you shouldn't be quick to prejudge anybody without thoughtfully considering what they said.

Liberals up, conservatives down. Conservatives up, liberals down. The pendulum swings, and ever will. If we're lucky.

Goodnite; I'm out for now...

re: #237 ShanghaiEd

I certainly don't think anybody should stay silent. I just don't think anybody should "run" the discourse. Everybody gets to talk, everybody has to listen. I think Jefferson was saying that you shouldn't be quick to prejudge anybody without thoughtfully considering what they said.

Liberals up, conservatives down. Conservatives up, liberals down. The pendulum swings, and ever will. If we're lucky.

Goodnite; I'm out for now...

Good night!

re: #227 Sharmuta

A downding?

/wouldn't be the first time your judgment was wrong

re: #222 teleskiguy

Comment from The teleskiguy:

As a young conservative who would like to see the Republican brand labeled as The Party of Lincoln once again (not to mention win elections with small-government candidates) I'm patently disgusted with the election of 38-year-old Audra Shay as chairperson of the Young Republicans. It is yet another example of the Republicans in the wilderness pandering to the extreme far right. And if the reporting by thedailybeast.com is correct and true, young Republicans everywhere should bow their heads in shame. Whisper campaigns against the opposition and fisticuffs on the convention floor is wholly intolerable. With the way things are, Republicans are cementing thier fate as a minority/regional party very quickly. Not cool.

teleskiguy: I agree. Very troubling. There was fairly extended discussion on this in a thread here yesterday, but we got sidetracked. Hope you'll check it out and start the subject again, if you're willing.

GAZE

re: #233 littleoldlady

Yup. I've been seeing this exact statement from people in many different sectors.

/they know not what they have wrought!

The political leftist elite and the media behind them want to vilify "the rich" - "the rich" meaning any poor fool who works hard in America - providing and producing jobs.
To Obama and his group thinkers "the rich" do not include Soros, Gore, Hollywood and the leftist Pelosi class of above-the-law corruptocrats.

re: #240 ShanghaiEd

teleskiguy: I agree. Very troubling. There was fairly extended discussion on this in a thread here yesterday, but we got sidetracked. Hope you'll check it out and start the subject again, if you're willing.

I missed that; maybe I'll go look for it. Thanks

Take care Ed, have a good night.

re: #228 iceweasel

Oh yeah, since when is 38 years old young? I understand that the Young Republicans allow people aged 40 and under to be members. But last I checked, 8 out of 10 people my age voted for Barack 0bama.

The Republicans need to express their ideas of small, less-obtrusive government and lower taxes more cogently to young people. Deep down, that's what we all want, right? Still, everybody I know that's my age think of Republicans as "rich white old men." Thankfully, there are people out there (only on the internet, mind you) that are trying to rid the Republican Party of that adage. Tell your children about hiphoprepublican.com, dailygut.com, and I suppose to a certain extent bighollywood.breitbart.com, though some of the Palin cheerleading at the latter site has me questioning their bona fides, but that's another discussion entirely!

re: #224 iceweasel

I believe he meant something more prosaic: He did not like to argue. When his Declaration of Independence was was being debated on the floor of the 2nd Continental Congress, he said not a word in its defense. It was up to John Adams ato fight for every word he wrote.

Goodnight,all. Mrs Bat is beckoning, ;)

re: #244 teleskiguy

Oh yeah, since when is 38 years old young? I understand that the Young Republicans allow people aged 40 and under to be members. But last I checked, 8 out of 10 people my age voted for Barack 0bama.

The Republicans need to express their ideas of small, less-obtrusive government and lower taxes more cogently to young people. Deep down, that's what we all want, right? Still, everybody I know that's my age think of Republicans as "rich white old men." Thankfully, there are people out there (only on the internet, mind you) that are trying to rid the Republican Party of that adage. Tell your children about hiphoprepublican.com, dailygut.com, and I suppose to a certain extent bighollywood.breitbart.com, though some of the Palin cheerleading at the latter site has me questioning their bona fides, but that's another discussion entirely!

It's hard to get our message across without explaining, in basic terms, WHY this course of action is better. People don't know the fundamentals, so they don't understand what works.

re: #246 BatGuano

That explains the bat signal.

re: #244 teleskiguy

Oh yeah, since when is 38 years old young? I understand that the Young Republicans allow people aged 40 and under to be members. But last I checked, 8 out of 10 people my age voted for Barack 0bama.

The Republicans need to express their ideas of small, less-obtrusive government and lower taxes more cogently to young people. Deep down, that's what we all want, right? Still, everybody I know that's my age think of Republicans as "rich white old men." Thankfully, there are people out there (only on the internet, mind you) that are trying to rid the Republican Party of that adage. Tell your children about hiphoprepublican.com, dailygut.com, and I suppose to a certain extent bighollywood.breitbart.com, though some of the Palin cheerleading at the latter site has me questioning their bona fides, but that's another discussion entirely!

Unfortunately the people in control of the party right now seem hellbent on concentrating on a rapidly vanishing demographic base: older white Christian males who attend church at least once a week. According to Gallup, that's the only demographic where the GOP hasn't lost ground.

I have issues with big hollywood too, mostly because brietbart is an embarrassment. Did you see that recent column (LA Times, maybe?) where he talks about how he instinctively gave the finger to some protesters in Santa Monica, imagining for no good reason they were 'leftists' protesting the Iraq War...only to discover later that they were protesting the practice of using child soldiers in Africa?

It's that kind of weird, unthinking belligerence that helps to doom a party.

(and agree with you on Shay's age, btw; yet another reason why her election mystifies me)

re: #249 iceweasel

I don't know, seems like there's enough "unthinking belligerence" on both sides of the aisle to go around.
Enough people have a knee-jerk "you're not on my side so you must be wrong/evil" reaction and it's not limited to any one party (as I think we've all seen ample evidence of)

re: #250 srb1976

I don't know, seems like there's enough "unthinking belligerence" on both sides of the aisle to go around.
Enough people have a knee-jerk "you're not on my side so you must be wrong/evil" reaction and it's not limited to any one party (as I think we've all seen ample evidence of)

Oh, I'd totally agree with that! No party has a lock on it (or a lock on idiots).

In fact, when I look at the GOP now it seems to me that I'm seeing a mirror image of the way the Democratic Party and the left acted after losing the 2000 election. Lot of carping and whining and backbiting and blaming the 'evil' other side, rather than looking at themselves.

re: #249 iceweasel

Unfortunately the people in control of the party right now seem hellbent on concentrating on a rapidly vanishing demographic base: older white Christian males who attend church at least once a week. According to Gallup, that's the only demographic where the GOP hasn't lost ground.

Another volunteer trying to help us.

/fascinating

re: #252 Killian Bundy

Another volunteer trying to help us.

/fascinating

A healthy democracy needs at least two viable parties.

re: #249 iceweasel

Indeed, I did read that column, and Andrew's others. I read his shit 'cause it's like a car accident, it demands a close look to see the blood and guts and stuff. The guy admitted on television that he was drunk the whole time he was in college because none of the whole experience made sense to him. Hmm...

As to opening the GOP up to other demographics besides aging white Christian males, maybe it will take a disastrous leftist presidency, with umpteen-trillion-dollar deficits where inflation will go so high that a loaf of bread will cost 20 dollars, to get the younger people to embrace smaller government. I certainly hope it doesn't get that bad, but I've witnessed some history in my day (New Orleans, 9/11, impeached president, etc. etc.) and we all know that nice little saying about how we don't learn from history so we need to repeat it. OY!

My friend is in the waiting room for the ER right now (don't worry, nothing too serious), and she texts me saying

"how is it possible that the ER is empty and im still waiting. i'm gonna cry"

If she wasn't in such pain right now, I'd text her back saying;

Just fucking wait until socialized medicine takes ahold