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1 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:29:11pm

And what a habitat it is! Not all that natural, though.

2 Pianobuff  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:29:26pm

What a wonderful opportunity to self-threadicate.

3 Kragar  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:30:15pm

Won my 40k game sunday on the 2nd Turn, the remaining 4 turns was mopping up. My buddy was pissed.

4 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:30:44pm

Beelcchhh...!
BEER!

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:31:35pm

I'm pretty sure I have a job for the fall! Yay!

6 LatinGent  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:32:25pm

Okay, the live bait was poor quality or we would still be on the SF bay. One small striper and two barely keeper halibut, but it was better than working. Got a little windy tho...

7 quiet man  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:33:05pm

I give thanks that Carter didnt hold the hammer on this habitat

8 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:33:37pm

The oldest wrote home from his mission in the Philippines. He says please stop the Michael Jackson coverage (and he doesn't even have access to a TV).

No kidding.

9 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:33:59pm

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm pretty sure I have a job for the fall! Yay!

I will too, but I might be the only "employee" left. I had 7 full timers and 1 part time 2 years ago. I am down to 2 now. :-(

10 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:34:28pm

re: #8 DaddyG

The oldest wrote home from his mission in the Philippines. He says please stop the Michael Jackson coverage (and he doesn't even have access to a TV).

No kidding.

Where in the Philippines is he?

11 filetandrelease  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:34:49pm

re: #6 LatinGent

Okay, the live bait was poor quality or we would still be on the SF bay. One small striper and two barely keeper halibut, but it was better than working. Got a little windy tho...

At least you didn't have to toss them back, I hate it when that happens.

12 Long Nics are Looonnng  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:35:16pm

Organic, free-range thread?

13 John Neverbend  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:36:03pm

Home run derby - I'm betting on Pujols to win.

14 LatinGent  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:36:06pm

re: #11 filetandrelease

At least you didn't have to toss them back, I hate it when that happens.


True this. Was lucky to be out today, saw a Tall Clipper ship flying the flag of Mexico come under the G Gate, was quite a sight.

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:36:07pm

re: #6 LatinGent

Okay, the live bait was poor quality or we would still be on the SF bay. One small striper and two barely keeper halibut, but it was better than working. Got a little windy tho...

I haven't been fishing in years. Do you have a boat, or go charter?

16 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:36:29pm

re: #10 Desert Dog

Where in the Philippines is he?

A town just North of Bacolad on Negros Occidental (Midway down the chain from Manilla). He says the Ilsamofacists are acting up in the South but there isn't enough going on where he is to interest anyone who wants to go "AlalalalalalalalalaBoom!" (Direct quote)

17 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:36:42pm

re: #9 Desert Dog

I will too, but I might be the only "employee" left. I had 7 full timers and 1 part time 2 years ago. I am down to 2 now. :-(

Yikes.

18 LatinGent  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:36:44pm

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

I haven't been fishing in years. Do you have a boat, or go charter?


Have a 20 footer, launched out of berkeley today.

19 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:36:51pm

re: #13 John Neverbend

Home run derby - I'm betting on Pujols to win.

Is he in it?

20 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:37:11pm
21 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:37:49pm

re: #18 LatinGent

Have a 20 footer, launched out of berkeley today.

Oohhh, nice.

22 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:37:58pm
23 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:38:18pm

The thread is open, how bout the bar?
Good day Lizards,

24 LatinGent  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:38:53pm

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

Oohhh, nice.

Are you in the city?

25 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:38:56pm
26 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:39:24pm

re: #22 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, cheap jokes aside, congratulations.

Thanks. It's a step down from what I've been doing this year, but it's full-time, and will allow me to feed the myself and the husband and pay down some debt.

27 filetandrelease  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:39:24pm

re: #14 LatinGent

I hope to get out in the next few days. Need to practice a bit for snook season coming up.

28 Erik The Red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:39:56pm

re: #23 DEZes

The thread is open, how bout the bar?
Good day Lizards,

If the bar is open I will have a single malt on the rocks. :)

29 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:40:00pm

re: #25 buzzsawmonkey

By special decree, the Administration is lowering the bar.

And the boom.

totally sonic.

30 LatinGent  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:40:09pm

re: #27 filetandrelease

I hope to get out in the next few days. Need to practice a bit for snook season coming up.


On the east coast? Or southern states?

31 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:40:18pm

re: #16 DaddyG

A town just North of Bacolad on Negros Occidental (Midway down the chain from Manilla). He says the Ilsamofacists are acting up in the South but there isn't enough going on where he is to interest anyone who wants to go "AlalalalalalalalalaBoom!" (Direct quote)

Yes, I have been there. That is the Visayan region. Lots of pretty girls down that way. My wife is from Manila. We go back 1-2x a year to see her family. She has taken me all over that place. He's getting sick of rain by now I bet, eh?

32 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:40:30pm
33 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:40:51pm

re: #24 LatinGent

Are you in the city?

I grew up there, live in the East Bay now. Still cross under the Bay regularly to visit family and work my weekend gig.

34 filetandrelease  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:41:04pm

re: #30 LatinGent

Yes

35 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:41:34pm

re: #28 Erik The Red

If the bar is open I will have a single malt on the rocks. :)

Top shelf coming right up. ;)

36 LatinGent  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:41:38pm

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

I grew up there, live in the East Bay now. Still cross under the Bay regularly to visit family and work my weekend gig.

I`m in San Leandro, have a business here on E14th.

37 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:41:41pm

The rationale behind right wing terrorism...
The Difference Between a Patriot and a Terrorist

Although there's a lot of god/Christian talk I think this is a Birch Society production.

38 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:42:21pm

Man.

I like some of the writers at American Thinker. Why do they ruin it by promoting Jack Cashill's conspiracy theory that Bill Ayers wrote Obama's biography - not to mention giving Atlas Shrieks a platform?

I feel like I'm watching one conservative news source after another get sucked into a massive black hole of schtoopidity.

39 opnion  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:43:24pm

Where is Avanti? I rellty want to know if all living Presidents will be in the booth for the All Star Game, or was that a joke.
Anybody know?

40 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:43:27pm

• Congress OK'd Secret CIA Plan to Destroy Al Qaeda
• Obama Orders Probe of Taliban Prisoner Deaths

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Hey we're fighting a war here guys?

41 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:43:43pm

re: #32 buzzsawmonkey

If it's sonic, now's the time to get into hedgehog funds.

I Sega.

42 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:43:46pm
43 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:43:51pm

re: #31 Desert Dog

Yes, I have been there. That is the Visayan region. Lots of pretty girls down that way. My wife is from Manila. We go back 1-2x a year to see her family. She has taken me all over that place. He's getting sick of rain by now I bet, eh?

He hasn't commented on the rain but he loves the fruit and the people. He's not out there to get a spouse but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if he started corresponding with a young woman after his mission is over. After his first few days walking 15 miles per day and getting swollen ankles he was put on a few days "foot rest".

44 John Neverbend  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:44:02pm

re: #19 Nevergiveup

Is he in it?

Unless he's going to step aside at the last minute and hand his bat to Mr. Obama, he's in.

45 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:44:47pm

re: #39 opnion

Where is Avanti? I rellty want to know if all living Presidents will be in the booth for the All Star Game, or was that a joke.
Anybody know?

Call up and threaten to blow up the TV booth. If the secret service shows up, it's probably true.
/

46 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:45:09pm

re: #38 Charles


I feel like I'm watching one conservative news source after another get sucked into a massive black hole of schtoopidity.

The left had their 8 years now its our turn... /

47 opnion  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:45:38pm

re: #45 Nevergiveup

Call up and threaten to blow up the TV booth. If the secret service shows up, it's probably true.
/


Nope, not makin that call, no sireee.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:45:44pm

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Anybody else think that a bar featuring an assortment of single-malt whiskies, designed to look like an old-fashioned malt shop, and called "The Malt Shop," would be cool?

Or does it not work?

I think you could get away with calling a store that sold whiskey "The Malt Shop". I am not sure that people who drink single malt would drink in the establishment you describe.

Then again, I would.

49 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:46:34pm

Good afternoon, lizards.

50 Bear  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:46:35pm

Last time I fished stripers in SF Bay I caught my limit within a few minutes. Got each as soon as the bait hit bottom. That was off the Alameda Naval Station where they still dumped some garbage. Way back when.

51 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:46:41pm

re: #38 Charles

Man.

I like some of the writers at American Thinker. Why do they ruin it by promoting Jack Cashill's conspiracy theory that Bill Ayers wrote Obama's biography - not to mention giving Atlas Shrieks a platform?

I feel like I'm watching one conservative news source after another get sucked into a massive black hole of schtoopidity.

the publish Crazy Pam once in a while too...

52 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:46:44pm

re: #38 Charles

I feel like I'm watching one conservative news source after another get sucked into a massive black hole of schtoopidity.


I've pretty much given up hope that the trend is going to reverse itself anytime soon. They are living in a fantasy apocalypse scenario in which the country has been hijacked by oppressive leftist dictators and the Constitution is now meaningless.

53 filetandrelease  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:46:44pm

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey
Throw in a rustic pool table in the back and I like it. Of course my bar idea is called the Happy Parrot. So what do I know.

Anyone steals that name and I pour frozen margarita down your shorts!

54 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:46:52pm
55 ludwigvanquixote  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:46:55pm

re: #38 Charles

Man.

I like some of the writers at American Thinker. Why do they ruin it by promoting Jack Cashill's conspiracy theory that Bill Ayers wrote Obama's biography - not to mention giving Atlas Shrieks a platform?

I feel like I'm watching one conservative news source after another get sucked into a massive black hole of schtoopidity.

Sadly, it is because you are.

56 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:47:02pm

re: #39 opnion

Where is Avanti? I rellty want to know if all living Presidents will be in the booth for the All Star Game, or was that a joke.
Anybody know?


It seems legit. I can't get to the MLB site because it's blocked at work, but here's part of the URL.

mlb.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp? ymd=2...

57 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:47:30pm

Good afternoon lizards. My insurance auditor just left so I figured I needed a break.

BTW did anyone take a look at that Think Progress Watch Watch blog that one of the lizards linked to earlier today. Stalker comments are beyond the pale there.

58 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:47:43pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

I've pretty much given up hope that the trend is going to reverse itself anytime soon. They are living in a fantasy apocalypse scenario in which the country has been hijacked by oppressive leftist dictators and the Constitution is now meaningless.

It's a repeat of what the left went through in 2001.

59 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:47:54pm

re: #51 albusteve

oh...you knew that I see...whoops

60 ludwigvanquixote  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:47:55pm

Speaking of video games... Is anyone else psyched for the Old Republic when it comes...

I am so going to make a guardian :)

61 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:48:03pm

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Anybody else think that a bar featuring an assortment of single-malt whiskies, designed to look like an old-fashioned malt shop, and called "The Malt Shop," would be cool?

Or does it not work?

I prefer "Ye Olde Malt Shoppe"

62 Erik The Red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:48:06pm

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Anybody else think that a bar featuring an assortment of single-malt whiskies, designed to look like an old-fashioned malt shop, and called "The Malt Shop," would be cool?

Or does it not work?

Works for me :)

63 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:48:47pm
64 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:48:54pm

re: #58 Honorary Yooper

It's a repeat of what the left went through in 2001.


Yup.

65 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:49:09pm

re: #43 DaddyG

He hasn't commented on the rain but he loves the fruit and the people. He's not out there to get a spouse but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if he started corresponding with a young woman after his mission is over. After his first few days walking 15 miles per day and getting swollen ankles he was put on a few days "foot rest".

The girls there will find him. My wife left me alone for 10 minutes in Cebu and I had the startings of a mini Harem. She started yelling at them in Tagalog, then she punched me!

Sounds like your sons is fishing for souls rather than a "soul-mate" :-)

The country is poor, very poor in some places. They are a very industrious people though. Lots of activity and lots of things happening. They are quite religious as well. Tell your sons to enjoy his time there, it's a beautiful place.

66 LudwigVanQuixote  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:49:30pm

In a true fit of uber nerdom BTW, I'm replaying KOTOR II...

67 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:49:46pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

I think you could get away with calling a store that sold whiskey "The Malt Shop". I am not sure that people who drink single malt would drink in the establishment you describe.

Then again, I would.

That may explain my unfortunate haberdashery venture called "the head shop"

68 talon_262  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:49:56pm

re: #55 ludwigvanquixote

Sadly, it is because you are.

Am I hearing you wrong or did you just say that Charles is swirling around same "black hole of schtoopidity"?

69 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:50:10pm

Just coming back from vacation and catching up on zombie's Holdren report. Good work, Zombie.
Not quite as nicely ironic as Gietner as head of the IRS, but more disturbing.

70 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:50:17pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

I've pretty much given up hope that the trend is going to reverse itself anytime soon. They are living in a fantasy apocalypse scenario in which the country has been hijacked by oppressive leftist dictators and the Constitution is now meaningless.

Thaas right. Nothing to see here. Move along now...

71 LudwigVanQuixote  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:50:25pm

re: #67 DaddyG

That may explain my unfortunate haberdashery venture called "the head shop"

OK that made me laugh!

72 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:50:42pm

re: #38 Charles

The have never heard of the adage, "The harder you try, the dumber you look."

73 LudwigVanQuixote  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:50:55pm

re: #68 talon_262

Am I hearing you wrong or did you just say that Charles is swirling around same "black hole of schtoopidity"?

NO NO NO, I am saying he is seeing things correctly.

74 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:51:02pm
75 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:51:24pm

If the All Star game is not for you:

The countdown clock at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida is counting once more following release of the T-20-minute hold. There is one more planned hold remaining, which occurs at the T-9-minute mark. At Launch Pad 39A, space shuttle Endeavour's crew access hatch has been closed, sealed and locked for flight. All seven STS-127 astronauts are safely strapped into their seats and are awaiting liftoff at 6:51 p.m. EDT.

76 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:51:33pm

re: #65 Desert Dog

The girls there will find him. My wife left me alone for 10 minutes in Cebu and I had the startings of a mini Harem. She started yelling at them in Tagalog, then she punched me!

Sounds like your sons is fishing for souls rather than a "soul-mate" :-)

The country is poor, very poor in some places. They are a very industrious people though. Lots of activity and lots of things happening. They are quite religious as well. Tell your sons to enjoy his time there, it's a beautiful place.

Thanks - yes the LDS (Mormon) missionaries aren't supposed to do anything more than shake hands with anyone when on the mission but some return missionaries do get calls from interested parties who then marry them. It's a good policy for 19-25 year olds.

77 LatinGent  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:51:36pm

re: #67 DaddyG

That may explain my unfortunate haberdashery venture called "the head shop"

That would be The Devils workshop, our local provider.

78 Kragar  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:51:38pm

re: #60 ludwigvanquixote

Speaking of video games... Is anyone else psyched for the Old Republic when it comes...

I am so going to make a guardian :)

MMO? I was really disappointed with the original SW one

79 talon_262  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:52:03pm

re: #73 LudwigVanQuixote

NO NO NO, I am saying he is seeing things correctly.

Ahhh...my bad then.

80 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:52:11pm

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Anybody else think that a bar featuring an assortment of single-malt whiskies, designed to look like an old-fashioned malt shop, and called "The Malt Shop," would be cool?

Or does it not work?

How 'bout "Spirited Away"

81 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:52:19pm

There are still some sane people in the world.

'Holocaust Revisionist' Routed in Reston Election

A last-minute write-in campaign to prevent a self-described Holocaust revisionist from serving on a civic body in Reston has succeeded with a landside, the organization's former president said today.

Ken Meyercord, who had been running unopposed for an at-large seat on the Reston Citizens Association's 13-member volunteer board, received only 23 votes after his provocative views on Jews created a backlash.

Colin Mills, the write-in candidate for the at-large position on the board, received 1,157 votes, according to Mike Corrigan, the civic association's former president and a member of the election committee.

The turnout for the election, which was held Saturday and Sunday the Reston Festival at Reston Town Center, was so heavy that elections committee members had to photocopy additional ballots.

82 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:52:39pm

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Anybody else think that a bar featuring an assortment of single-malt whiskies, designed to look like an old-fashioned malt shop, and called "The Malt Shop," would be cool?

Or does it not work?

Where? When? Who runs it? Do they have coupon night? Gimmie gimmie gimmie!

83 Lincolntf  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:52:51pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

I find that a larger problem is that pointing out the reality of the Obama Administration (massive increases in the deficit, soaring unemployment, establishing extra-Constitutional positions, taking control of Corporations, etc...) is routinely dismissed as hysteria.
When facts aren't allowed, the Leftists win.

84 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:54:14pm

re: #38 Charles

They've recently featured spencer, I see.

85 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:54:30pm

re: #57 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good afternoon lizards. My insurance auditor just left so I figured I needed a break.

BTW did anyone take a look at that Think Progress Watch Watch blog that one of the lizards linked to earlier today. Stalker comments are beyond the pale there.

There is a reason Rodan aka Trajan75 got banned.

86 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:54:43pm

re: #83 Lincolntf

I find that a larger problem is that pointing out the reality of the Obama Administration (massive increases in the deficit, soaring unemployment, establishing extra-Constitutional positions, taking control of Corporations, etc...) is routinely dismissed as hysteria.
When facts aren't allowed, the Leftists win.

CA voters who opposed new tax hikes were called terrorists...there is too much on both sides

87 LudwigVanQuixote  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:54:44pm

re: #79 talon_262

Ahhh...my bad then.

All good.

If I were going to disagree with Charles, I would not do it with a one liner. Actually when I disagree with anyone here, I tend to write a lot about why. I think it's disrespectful not to.

He's correct. The right-wing outlets have been getting nuttier for some time - and it is sad in my opinion.

88 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:54:55pm

My all time favorite name for a business was a Doggie Day Care in Seattle called "Puget Hounds"

89 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:54:58pm

re: #83 Lincolntf

reality of the Obama Administrationon

Oxymoron.

90 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:56:25pm

re: #86 albusteve

CA voters who opposed new tax hikes were called terrorists...there is too much on both sides

Yeah, we're "unmutual" anti-social, counterrevolutionaries. Theres a reeducation camp somewhere for us.

91 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:56:38pm
92 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:56:56pm

Decision time at Kiwi lizard home.

The old dog (not that old, at 10) has been diagnosed with Degenerative Myelopathy which affects her ability to control her hind quarters. It is a breakdown of the spinal cord and while she will progressively lose control of function she also loses feeling, so there is no pain. However, she has also been diagnosed with a malignant tumour in her left rear leg that for $300 can be removed (?) it just depends on which condition will win the "race" for her life. Ahhh dear.

Another family meeting tonight...

93 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:56:57pm

Budget faces veto if F-22 isn’t cut
By Rick Maze - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Jul 13, 2009 16:58:48 EDT
President Barack Obama and top defense officials warned Monday that the 2010 defense budget will be vetoed unless Congress kills further purchases of the F-22 aircraft.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

More pressing needs?

94 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:57:06pm

re: #90 calcajun

Yeah, we're "unmutual" anti-social, counterrevolutionaries. Theres a reeducation camp somewhere for us.

I hope they broadcast Cowboy games

95 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:57:07pm

re: #88 LGoPs

My all time favorite name for a business was a Doggie Day Care in Seattle called "Puget Hounds"

25 years ago my friend had a van for his custom window treatment business

on the side and back of the van the sign read

CAUTION,,, BLIND MAN DRIVING

96 LudwigVanQuixote  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:57:35pm

re: #78 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

MMO? I was really disappointed with the original SW one

Yeah that one sucked. I never played it, but read enough about it and heard enough that I didn't even bother. However, the Old Republic is a Bioware joint. If you played KOTOR, then it will be much like that only much larger.

If you haven't played KOTOR, IMHO you missed out on the best RPG ever made.

97 opnion  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:57:43pm

re: #56 eschew_obfuscation

It seems legit. I can't get to the MLB site because it's blocked at work, but here's part of the URL.

mlb.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp? ymd=2...

I'm not finding it, just means I'm probably looking in the wrong place.

98 Kragar  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:58:38pm

re: #96 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah that one sucked. I never played it, but read enough about it and heard enough that I didn't even bother. However, the Old Republic is a Bioware joint. If you played KOTOR, then it will be much like that only much larger.

If you haven't played KOTOR, IMHO you missed out on the best RPG ever made.

No, that was Fallout 2

99 elevenbravo1969  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:58:53pm

Heard on the radio this a.m. (on KSFO in San Francisco) that CA has 12% of U.S. population and 32% of U.S. welfare recipients. Cool, huh?

100 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:58:54pm

re: #87 LudwigVanQuixote

All political stripes are nutty these days - maybe it's the weather? In my part of the country, we are in the 70 degree range at the time of year when it used to be in the low 100's. The Gore Effect is spreading. . .

101 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:59:03pm

re: #95 sattv4u2

25 years ago my friend had a van for his custom window treatment business

on the side and back of the van the sign read

CAUTION,,, BLIND MAN DRIVING


Speaking of driving, how fast is too fast?

102 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:59:06pm

re: #88 LGoPs

My all time favorite name for a business was a Doggie Day Care in Seattle called "Puget Hounds"

There's one by my house in Mesa called "Bark Avenue" Dog Spa...pretty fancy name for a kennel, eh?

103 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:59:09pm

re: #92 A Kiwi Infidel

Very hard one to make. Our 14-year old Akita still eats, but is very slow to move and we think is part deaf and blind and has doggie dementia. But, as long as he keeps eating and getting up to do his business, then he will go on. Don't see the big guy lasting another year.

104 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:59:37pm

re: #99 elevenbravo1969

Heard on the radio this a.m. (on KSFO in San Francisco) that CA has 12% of U.S. population and 32% of U.S. welfare recipients. Cool, huh?

People come here for a vacation--and never leave.

105 Racer X  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 2:59:52pm

How sad is it that the most energizing politician on the right is quitting public office at the end of the month?

&sect-)

106 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:00:03pm
107 Kragar  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:00:18pm

re: #104 calcajun

People come here for a vacation--and never leave.

But you can check out any time you like

108 Racer X  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:00:45pm

re: #99 elevenbravo1969

Heard on the radio this a.m. (on KSFO in San Francisco) that CA has 12% of U.S. population and 32% of U.S. welfare recipients. Cool, huh?

"If you build it, they will come"

109 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:00:50pm

re: #104 calcajun

People come here for a vacation--and never leave.

Cali is "Bum Heaven" too...San Diego especially...you go downtown and get hit up for donations every few feet...it's the weather...not hot, not cold...just right.

110 LudwigVanQuixote  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:00:52pm

re: #98 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

No, that was Fallout 2

OK, that's now in the realm of arguing Mozart vs. Beethoven. Once you pass a certain bar, even if we disagree, I can't really argue with you.

However, if you haven't played KOTOR, I think you would very much like it. I have yet to meet anyone who liked Fallout 2, who didn't love KOTOR also.

111 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:00:59pm

re: #103 calcajun

Very hard one to make. Our 14-year old Akita still eats, but is very slow to move and we think is part deaf and blind and has doggie dementia. But, as long as he keeps eating and getting up to do his business, then he will go on. Don't see the big guy lasting another year.

Yes, that was the vet's advice, "Keep in mind the dignity of the dog" I agree, we must keep our emotions out of it, as hard as that will be, and focus on what is best for the girl.

112 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:01:43pm

re: #92 A Kiwi Infidel

Decision time at Kiwi lizard home.

The old dog (not that old, at 10) has been diagnosed with Degenerative Myelopathy which affects her ability to control her hind quarters. It is a breakdown of the spinal cord and while she will progressively lose control of function she also loses feeling, so there is no pain. However, she has also been diagnosed with a malignant tumour in her left rear leg that for $300 can be removed (?) it just depends on which condition will win the "race" for her life. Ahhh dear.

Another family meeting tonight...

Oh, no. Terrible decision to have to make. 10 is not that old, it's not that young either. {Kiwi Infidel}

113 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:01:51pm

re: #109 Desert Dog

I know-- I live in SD. Beggar heaven.

114 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:01:56pm

re: #101 A Kiwi Infidel

Speaking of driving, how fast is too fast?

It's the Outback. I'd say 140mph sounds about right.

115 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:02:31pm

re: #103 calcajun

I will FedEx my Akita to you if you want a new one. She's an elk chaser, though.

116 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:03:16pm

re: #114 Honorary Yooper

It's the Outback. I'd say 140mph sounds about right.


I have to agree. Cops hiding in the cover of the wheatfields. Ozzy outback roads go straaaight on.

117 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:03:19pm
118 Kragar  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:03:21pm

re: #110 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, that's now in the realm of arguing Mozart vs. Beethoven. Once you pass a certain bar, even if we disagree, I can't really argue with you.

However, if you haven't played KOTOR, I think you would very much like it. I have yet to meet anyone who liked Fallout 2, who didn't love KOTOR also.

I got fed up with too much poorly designed materials, from books to animation to games, slapping on the Star Wars logo so I gave up anything having to do with it.

119 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:03:23pm

re: #115 shiek al beif salami

How old is she-- would she get along with my other Aki -- a six-year old female?

120 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:03:29pm

BBIAW

121 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:03:58pm

re: #117 buzzsawmonkey

Bartender, pour me a glass of caribooze with an elk chaser!

Oh deer.

122 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:04:05pm

re: #115 shiek al beif salami

Not many elks around here. Lots of Kiwanis and Rotarians, though.

123 elevenbravo1969  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:04:23pm

Seems the powers here in CA have decided that the 1996 welfare reform act, which limited lifetime welfare payments to no more than 5 years, was simply advisory in nature.

124 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:04:26pm
125 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:04:30pm

re: #121 DEZes

Oh deer.

You and your fawning comments./

126 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:04:30pm

re: #114 Honorary Yooper

It's the Outback. I'd say 140mph sounds about right.

you can do that all over New Mexico, no problemo...lots of exotic cars out here, considering the population size

127 Gus  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:04:30pm

re: #101 A Kiwi Infidel

Speaking of driving, how fast is too fast?

143 MPH and in "wheat country." Not the end of the world. I've gone over 120 MPH in my not so great GTI.

128 Racer X  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:04:45pm

Papa was a copper and mama was a hippie

California rest in peace

129 LudwigVanQuixote  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:04:49pm

re: #100 shiek al beif salami

All political stripes are nutty these days - maybe it's the weather? In my part of the country, we are in the 70 degree range at the time of year when it used to be in the low 100's. The Gore Effect is spreading. . .

There is a predicted - and has come to pass - cooling effect caused by changing ocean currents which was caused by melting at the poles.

Global warming is a misnomer because, making one part of the Earth hot can make another cold. I know that seems completely counter intuitive, but it is the same principle ultimately as a heat pump. Your refrigerator gets really hot (in the back) to cool it's inside.

Thermodynamics is not something that Al Gore made up.

130 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:04:55pm

re: #124 buzzsawmonkey

You get points for that.

131 Kragar  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:05:08pm

re: #114 Honorary Yooper

It's the Outback. I'd say 140mph sounds about right.

NO NO NO!

You're supposed to say " I am the Nightrider. I'm a fuel injected suicide machine. I am the rocker, I am the roller, I am the out-of-controller!"

132 sngnsgt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:05:24pm

re: #101 A Kiwi Infidel

Speaking of driving, how fast is too fast?

Depends on what your definition of "is" is.

133 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:05:51pm

re: #92 A Kiwi Infidel

Decision time at Kiwi lizard home.

The old dog (not that old, at 10) has been diagnosed with Degenerative Myelopathy which affects her ability to control her hind quarters. It is a breakdown of the spinal cord and while she will progressively lose control of function she also loses feeling, so there is no pain. However, she has also been diagnosed with a malignant tumour in her left rear leg that for $300 can be removed (?) it just depends on which condition will win the "race" for her life. Ahhh dear.

Another family meeting tonight...

Sad story. Our dog is getting older and we will be at that point in a few years. He has bad hips and somedays, it's hard for him to get up. But, if a dove or a pigeon lands in the back yard, he still runs like a cheetah trying to get them. Of all the things about dog ownership, it's that long walk to the vets in the end that gets me. I wish dogs lived longer because you get so damned attached to them...they are like your children...I will miss our dog, JD, when he gone. He's probably the best one we've ever had.

134 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:06:30pm

re: #125 calcajun

You and your fawning comments./

Last time you told me to go buck myself.

135 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:06:36pm

re: #122 calcajun

Not many elks around here. Lots of Kiwanis and Rotarians, though.

There's no bag limit on them...those herds need to be culled.

136 LudwigVanQuixote  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:06:55pm

re: #118 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I got fed up with too much poorly designed materials, from books to animation to games, slapping on the Star Wars logo so I gave up anything having to do with it.

That's fair. There was a lot that sucked.

KOTOR is different. Honestly, if it would have been the first movie, Lucas would have been hailed as a genius. IMO, it has the best SW story of any I have ever seen. You can prolly find a copy of it for nearly free these days.

You will not be disappointed.

137 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:07:08pm

re: #127 Gus 802

143 MPH and in "wheat country." Not the end of the world. I've gone over 120 MPH in my not so great GTI.

those are cool little cars...new ones are nice looking...I drive whimpy Jetta, but I love it

138 Lee Coller  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:07:17pm

I'm curious, am I the only one here who thinks having Frank Ricci (the firefighter plaintiff in the New Haven discrimination case) testify in the Sotomayor confirmation hearings is a huge mistake and will backfire?

It really doesn't say much for the intelligence of the Republican leadership in the Senate.

139 avanti  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:07:17pm

re: #39 opnion

Where is Avanti? I rellty want to know if all living Presidents will be in the booth for the All Star Game, or was that a joke.
Anybody know?

I corrected myself down thread. It looks like they will all be in a video for the game, not in person.

140 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:07:18pm

re: #124 buzzsawmonkey

It's the only thing to drink at stag parties.

Doe you think so?

141 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:07:22pm

A possible sign that I have spent too much time at Zombietime? I wake up today with this song running through my head:

"We don't inflate
our scrota in Muscogee;
We like holding hands
and pitching woo..."

True story. Scary.

142 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:07:30pm

re: #119 calcajun

She's definitely an alpha female. A neighbor's male German Shorthair was sniffing around in our yard recently and tried to, er, jump her. She ripped him a new one - hole in the lip, that is. She's gentle around all humans, which means she isn't much of a watchdog. Mostly just a food eater and a pat-on-the-head getter.

143 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:07:49pm

re: #109 Desert Dog

Cali is "Bum Heaven" too...San Diego especially...you go downtown and get hit up for donations every few feet...it's the weather...not hot, not cold...just right.

That's because California is supercool to the homeless.

144 Gus  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:08:23pm

re: #137 albusteve

those are cool little cars...new ones are nice looking...I drive whimpy Jetta, but I love it

Yeah, they're not so bad actually. This guy was driving a Ferrari. Just before I was keeping up with a BMW M3.

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:08:33pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

I've pretty much given up hope that the trend is going to reverse itself anytime soon. They are living in a fantasy apocalypse scenario in which the country has been hijacked by oppressive leftist dictators and the Constitution is now meaningless.

Mirror image of the fantasy apocalypse scenario held by their dance partners for the past eight years. Living in the end times is fun. Dealing with a stable country where you don't get your own way all the time is hard.

146 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:08:38pm
147 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:08:53pm

re: #122 calcajun

I hope the Kiwani and Rotarians don't crap in your yard and eat your trees the way the Elks do.

148 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:09:19pm

re: #138 Lee Coller

I'm curious, am I the only one here who thinks having Frank Ricci (the firefighter plaintiff in the New Haven discrimination case) testify in the Sotomayor confirmation hearings is a huge mistake and will backfire?

It really doesn't say much for the intelligence of the Republican leadership in the Senate.

I would say it's a mistake. It will not turn the tide in her confirmation and it will make the Repubs look mean. Mr. Ricci will be getting the "Joe the Plumber" colonoscopy treatment as well...the left does not mess around. He will walk away from this with some pain, no doubt.

149 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:09:26pm

re: #134 DEZes

Last time you told me to go buck myself.

Only because you hit me up for some doe.

150 Lincolntf  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:10:07pm

re: #138 Lee Coller

Who better to discuss her tenure as a Judge than a civil servant whose life was directly affected by one of her rulings?

151 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:10:28pm

re: #149 calcajun

Only because you hit me up for some doe.

I was in a rut.

152 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:10:35pm

re: #142 shiek al beif salami

Two big girls in the yard might not work.

153 Lincolntf  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:10:48pm

re: #150 Lincolntf

Duh, "effected".

154 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:10:59pm

TOTUS tragedy...
Yahoo pic


The broken glass of the TelePrompTer lies at the base of the podium as President Barack Obama speaks at the at the Urban and Metropolitan Policy Roundtable at the Eisenhower Old Executive Office Building in Washington Monday, July 13, 2009.
155 Kragar  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:11:36pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

TOTUS tragedy...
Yahoo pic

"HE HAS NO WORDS!"

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:11:40pm

re: #92 A Kiwi Infidel

Decision time at Kiwi lizard home.

The old dog (not that old, at 10) has been diagnosed with Degenerative Myelopathy which affects her ability to control her hind quarters. It is a breakdown of the spinal cord and while she will progressively lose control of function she also loses feeling, so there is no pain. However, she has also been diagnosed with a malignant tumour in her left rear leg that for $300 can be removed (?) it just depends on which condition will win the "race" for her life. Ahhh dear.

Another family meeting tonight...

I'm so sorry. That's hard.

157 snowcrash  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:11:42pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout
Suicide or murder?

158 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:11:48pm

re: #147 shiek al beif salami

I hope the Kiwani and Rotarians don't crap in your yard and eat your trees the way the Elks do.

You haven't seen them after some of their festivals, have you?

159 yochanan  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:12:25pm

re: #113 calcajun

no one ever froze to death in s.d. jan. in chicagostan another matter.

160 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:12:28pm

re: #144 Gus 802

Yeah, they're not so bad actually. This guy was driving a Ferrari. Just before I was keeping up with a BMW M3.

a couple of years ago I rented a Mustang GT 281/300hp...drove it all over the lower part of the state...145+...nobody down there at all...pretty cool

161 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:12:33pm

re: #155 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

"HE HAS NO WORDS!"

Finally speechless.

162 Gus  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:12:39pm

re: #157 snowcrash

Suicide or murder?

It's a regular whodunit!

//

163 Lee Coller  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:13:08pm

re: #150 Lincolntf

Who better to discuss her tenure as a Judge than a civil servant whose life was directly affected by one of her rulings?

Because its irrelevant, the affect of his life by a judges rulings should not be taken into account, its the law that matters.

Argue all you want that she got the law wrong, but Ricci has no bearing on that and can provide no expertise.

164 LudwigVanQuixote  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:13:20pm

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

Any dog lover must love that one. I am scruffling my two puppies now and have to go.

Have a great evening all!

165 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:13:36pm

re: #152 calcajun

It's hard not to like Akitas, but they are definitely blue collar, must work every day dogs. Mine loves to pull stuff, like bulldozers and semis. When I take her for a walk (on a leash so she won't go after the Rotarians) it's like water skiing on dirt.

166 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:13:57pm

Watch out!

Tiger!

167 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:14:03pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

re: #157 snowcrash

Suicide or murder?

re: #162 Gus 802

It's a regular whodunit!

//

Sarah Palin is being sought for questioning!

168 tradewind  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:14:21pm
Muslims cannot simply partake of the technological fruits of modern civilization while simultaneously rejecting or questioning its premises.


A professor at Princeton who actually gets it:
[Link: chronicle.com:80...]

169 Gus  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:14:21pm

re: #160 albusteve

a couple of years ago I rented a Mustang GT 281/300hp...drove it all over the lower part of the state...145+...nobody down there at all...pretty cool

Hard to believe they actually printed a story about some guy getting caught doing 143.

170 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:14:42pm

re: #140 DEZes

Doe you think so?

I wish you two would stop fawning over each other...
/

171 Lincolntf  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:15:00pm

re: #163 Lee Coller

But he can demonstrate how a "wise Latina woman" royally screwed him over.

172 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:15:04pm

re: #166 Charles

Watch out!

Tiger!

Is that a piece of meat he's diving for, or Roys hand?
//

173 tradewind  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:15:08pm

re: #155 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Was it real, or was it Memorex?

174 Gus  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:15:15pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

re: #157 snowcrash

Sarah Palin is being sought for questioning!

Perhaps "it" knew the "truth!" about who killed Michael Jackson!

//

175 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:15:22pm

re: #161 DEZes

God, if was only that easy...like kryptonite to Superman.

"I would like to say a few words tonight about...CRASH...about, uh, er, about, uh, er, er,..."

176 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:15:36pm
177 Racer X  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:15:44pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

TOTUS tragedy...
Yahoo pic

Uh, er, um, ah.

178 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:15:49pm

re: #99 elevenbravo1969

Heard on the radio this a.m. (on KSFO in San Francisco) that CA has 12% of U.S. population and 32% of U.S. welfare recipients. Cool, huh?

Closer to 21 by this site.

179 Kragar  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:15:57pm

re: #166 Charles

Watch out!

Tiger!

More proof of global warming. Amphibious Tigers.

/

180 avanti  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:16:06pm

re: #169 Gus 802

Hard to believe they actually printed a story about some guy getting caught doing 143.

Here video of a 1963 Avanti at 172 MPH.

181 guringo  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:16:12pm

...just came across this 2bit and thought I'd pass this around;

KKK member wanted by FBI caught in Tel-Aviv...

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

182 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:16:27pm

re: #166 Charles

A refreshing change from all the political animals, and not nearly as blood-thirsty.

183 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:16:28pm

re: #157 snowcrash

Nirth Certifikit did it in the library with the pipe wrench.

184 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:16:42pm

re: #169 Gus 802

Hard to believe they actually printed a story about some guy getting caught doing 143.

right, exactly...big whoop says I

185 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:16:42pm

re: #133 Desert Dog

Sad story. Our dog is getting older and we will be at that point in a few years. He has bad hips and somedays, it's hard for him to get up. But, if a dove or a pigeon lands in the back yard, he still runs like a cheetah trying to get them. Of all the things about dog ownership, it's that long walk to the vets in the end that gets me. I wish dogs lived longer because you get so damned attached to them...they are like your children...I will miss our dog, JD, when he gone. He's probably the best one we've ever had.

{desert dog}
The best until your next one, I hope.

One of our cats is 19 years old. She's not ill, but in the past few months she has been eating less and less, and she avoids jumping up on things the way she used to. My daughter has no memory of life before this cat. I suspect the cat will be gone within the year. We do get attached to our dogs and cats - they bring so much into our lives, imo.

186 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:16:52pm

re: #170 LGoPs

I wish you two would stop fawning over each other...
/

Your just trying to rack up Karma.

187 LudwigVanQuixote  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:16:53pm

re: #166 Charles

Watch out!

Tiger!


188 yochanan  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:17:36pm

for the same reason canukistani bums go to vancouver it is above freezing in the winter.

189 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:17:37pm

re: #166 Charles

Going for some "Roy tar tare" no less.

190 Gus  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:18:04pm

re: #180 avanti

Here video of a 1963 Avanti at 172 MPH.


[Video]

Classic narration too. He sounds familiar.

Bonneville Record Breaker!

191 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:18:13pm

re: #183 Killgore Trout

Nirth Certifikit did it in the library with the pipe wrench.

OOH!
Now there's an idea for an entrepeneur.

192 right_wing2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:18:23pm

Dinner with Obama, a parable (part 1)

Once upon a time, I was invited to the White House for a private dinner with the President. I am a respected businessman, with a factory that produces memory chips for computers and portable electronics. There was some talk that my industry was being scrutinized by the administration, but I paid it no mind. I live in a free country. There's nothing that the government can do to me if I've broken no laws. My wealth was earned honestly, and an invitation to dinner with an American President is an honor.

I checked my coat, was greeted by the Chief of Staff, and joined the President in a yellow dining room. We sat across from each other at a table draped in white linen. The Great Seal was embossed on the china. Uniformed staff served our dinner.

The meal was served, and I was startled when my waiter suddenly reached out, plucked a dinner roll off my plate, and began nibbling it as he walked back to the kitchen.

"Sorry about that," said the President. "Andrew is very hungry."

"I don't appreciate..." I began, but as I looked into the calm brown eyes across from me, I felt immediately guilty and petty. It was just a dinner roll. "Of course," I concluded, and reached for my glass. Before I could, however, another waiter reached forward, took the glass away and swallowed the wine in a single gulp.

"And his brother Eric is very thirsty." said the President.

I didn't say anything. The President is testing my compassion, I thought. I will play along. I don't want to seem unkind.

My plate was whisked away before I had tasted a bite.

"Eric's children are also quite hungry."

With a lurch, I crashed to the floor. My chair had been pulled out from under me. I stood, brushing myself off angrily, and watched as it was carried from the room.

"And their grandmother can't stand for long."

I excused myself, smiling outwardly, but inside feeling like a fool. Obviously I had been invited to the White House to be sport for some game. I reached for my coat, to find that it had been taken. I turned back to the President.

"Their grandfather doesn't like the cold."

I wanted to shout- that was my coat! But again, I looked at the placid smiling face of my host and decided I was being a poor sport... I spread my hands helplessly and chuckled. Then I felt my hip pocket and realized my wallet was gone. I excused myself and walked to a phone on an elegant side table. I learned shortly that my credit cards had been maxed out, my bank accounts emptied, my retirement and equity portfolios had vanished, and my wife had been thrown out of our home. Apparently, the waiters and their families were moving in. The President hadn't moved or spoken as I learned all this, but finally I lowered the phone into its cradle and turned to face him.

"Andrew's whole family has made bad financial decisions. They haven't planned for retirement, and they need a house... They recently defaulted on a subprime mortgage. I told them they could have your home. They need it more than you do."

My hands were shaking.. I felt faint. I stumbled back to the table and knelt on the floor. The President cheerfully cut his meat, ate his steak and drank his wine. I lowered my eyes and stared at the small grey circles on the tablecloth that were water drops.

"By the way," He added, "I have just signed an Executive Order nationalizing your factories. I'm firing you as head of your business. I'll be operating the firm now for the benefit of all mankind. There's a whole bunch of Erics and Andrews out there and they can't come to you for jobs groveling like beggars."

193 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:18:24pm

At the meeting, Obama told the leaders that he wants to help Israel overcome its demographic problem by reaching an agreement on a two-state solution, but that in order to do so, Israel would need "to engage in serious self-reflection."

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Or in other words: Bend over and spread em

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:18:28pm

re: #123 elevenbravo1969

Seems the powers here in CA have decided that the 1996 welfare reform act, which limited lifetime welfare payments to no more than 5 years, was simply advisory in nature.

Is that actually what's going on?

195 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:18:33pm

re: #175 Desert Dog

God, if was only that easy...like kryptonite to Superman.

"I would like to say a few words tonight about...CRASH...about, uh, er, about, uh, er, er,..."

Old dirty socks work. ;)

196 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:18:40pm

re: #180 avanti

Here video of a 1963 Avanti at 172 MPH.


not the same by a long shot...where I drive 145, a mistake will kill me

197 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:18:41pm

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

Blake is one of my favorites, and Tyger, Tyger is one of my favorite Blakes. Thanks.

198 right_wing2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:18:55pm

Dinner with the Obama (part 2)

I looked up. The President dropped his spoon into the empty ramekin which had been his creme brulee. He drained the last drops of his wine. As the table was cleared, he lit a cigarette and leaned back in his chair. He stared at me. I clung to the edge of the table as if were a ledge and I were a man hanging over an abyss. I thought of the years behind me, of the life I had lived. The life I had earned with a lifetime of work, risk and struggle. Why was I punished? How had I allowed it to be taken? What game had I played and lost? I looked across the table and noticed with some surprise that there was no game board between us.

What had I done wrong?

As if answering the unspoken thought, the President suddenly cocked his head, locked his empty eyes to mine, and bared a million teeth, chuckling wryly as he folded his hands.

"You should have stopped me at the dinner roll," he said.

199 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:19:04pm

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

You made me cry.

200 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:19:17pm

re: #179 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

More proof of global warming. Amphibious Tigers.

/

How can you tell it's sexual orientation from just one photo? That's some might bold talk for someone... Oh, "amphibious". Never mind

201 tradewind  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:20:39pm

re: #143 capitalist piglet

'Homeless ' is the new N-word. Please address these individuals correctly as Urban Prospectors.

202 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:20:39pm

re: #172 sattv4u2

Is that a piece of meat he's diving for, or Roys hand?
//

So, that's what happened to Michael Jackson's body.

203 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:20:42pm

re: #180 avanti

Here video of a 1963 Avanti at 172 MPH.


Andy Granatelli!

I did not know those cars could move so fast, wow.

204 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:21:37pm

re: #196 albusteve

not the same by a long shot...where I drive 145, a mistake will kill me

Yes, all the other crazies over there in ABQ are going way faster than that

205 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:21:53pm

re: #201 tradewind

'Homeless ' is the new N-word. Please address these individuals correctly as Urban Prospectors.

I prefer Urban Outdoorsmen

206 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:21:56pm

re: #201 tradewind

They'll take away my "hobos" and "bums" when they pry the words from my cold, dead tongue.

207 Gus  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:21:58pm

re: #202 calcajun

So, that's what happened to Michael Jackson's body.

They probably sold it to some oil sheik in Dubai.

//

208 Kragar  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:22:52pm

re: #205 sattv4u2

I prefer Urban Outdoorsmen

I always knew you were a hobo-sexual.

/

209 Gus  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:23:13pm

re: #201 tradewind

'Homeless ' is the new N-word. Please address these individuals correctly as Urban Prospectors.

Not Home-a-Capable?

//

210 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:23:16pm

re: #204 Desert Dog

Yes, all the other crazies over there in ABQ are going way faster than that

at least they are polite about it!

211 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:23:18pm

Secret CIA Program Targeted Senior Al-Qaeda Leadership

The secret CIA program that was withheld from Congress was designed to find and capture or kill senior al-Qaeda leadership at close range rather than through air strikes, government officials said.

Congress probes agency's failure to report a secret counterterrorism program.The now canceled counterterrorism intelligence program has stirred controversy among legislators demanding to know what it entailed and why it was kept secret from Congress for eight years after going into the planning stages shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

And that's a bad thing?

/keep in mind that bin Laden stopped using his satellite phone after a certain loudmouth Senator told the world that we were monitoring it

212 tradewind  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:23:35pm

re: #205 sattv4u2

Fine term, but it doesn't recognize their initiative.
/heh/

213 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:24:38pm

re: #205 sattv4u2

I prefer Urban Outdoorsmen

good one

214 tradewind  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:25:08pm

re: #211 Killian Bundy
Bin Laden stopped using his sat phone for good after he had bin laden the dust of Tora Bora, or one of those assorted hell holes.

215 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:25:29pm

re: #205 sattv4u2

I prefer Urban Outdoorsmen

Domicilically-challenged? (Who says you can't just make up words?)

216 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:25:45pm

Parkingramp Pioneers?

217 Gus  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:25:54pm

re: #211 Killian Bundy

Secret CIA Program Targeted Senior Al-Qaeda Leadership

And that's a bad thing?

/keep in mind that bin Laden stopped using his satellite phone after a certain loudmouth Senator told the world that we were monitoring it

I've two words for the congressional critics: screw them.

218 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:25:58pm

re: #212 tradewind

Fine term, but it doesn't recognize their initiative.
/heh/

We have a term for that. It's sort of Olympian and athelitic in that it's competitive and awards the winner

Dumpster Divers

219 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:26:05pm

Cubs reportedly to file for Chapter 11
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ESPN.com news services
CHICAGO -- The Chicago Cubs might file for Chapter 11 in order to speed their sale by bankrupt media company Tribune Co, according to several media reports.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

great way to do business? Oh I forgot the US Government does it that way also. never mind.

220 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:27:12pm

re: #219 Nevergiveup

Cubs reportedly to file for Chapter 11
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CHICAGO -- The Chicago Cubs might file for Chapter 11 in order to speed their sale by bankrupt media company Tribune Co, according to several media reports.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

great way to do business? Oh I forgot the US Government does it that way also. never mind.

that's just a shame, sorta like the team itself

221 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:27:16pm

re: #166 Charles

Watch out!

Tiger!

After the retirement of Sigfried and Roy, The Mirage in Las Vegas tried several times to make money with the tigers, this is a picture of one of the less successful attempts, Swim With The Tigers.
/

222 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:27:20pm

re: #210 albusteve

at least they are polite about it!

They are very polite here as well. Why just this morning a nice fellow showed me a hand gesture. I believe he was telling me that "I"m #1". It is common courtesy and manners that make me so happy to drive in this place.

223 yochanan  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:27:25pm

re: #201 tradewind

bums is shorter

224 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:27:34pm

re: #211 Killian Bundy

I thought Bin Laden figured out to stop using his satt phones when that information was disclosed during one of the criminal trials where the defendant was accused of aiding and abetting the embassy bombings in Africa.

/Which is why I'm dead-set against trying them in the US court system like a drunk driver or petty thief.

225 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:28:03pm

re: #223 yochanan

bums is shorter

I've seen some tall ones!

226 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:28:05pm

re: #219 Nevergiveup

Cubs reportedly to file for Chapter 11
Comment Email Print Share
ESPN.com news services
CHICAGO -- The Chicago Cubs might file for Chapter 11 in order to speed their sale by bankrupt media company Tribune Co, according to several media reports.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

great way to do business? Oh I forgot the US Government does it that way also. never mind.

But will Barry bail them out and will the Congress try and manage the team? Boy, talk about a sports nightmare with Pelosi and Reid calling from the dugout to get a reliever warmed up.

227 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:28:07pm

re: #219 Nevergiveup


It's the Chicago way, apparently.

228 Gus  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:28:12pm

re: #218 sattv4u2

We have a term for that. It's sort of Olympian and athelitic in that it's competitive and awards the winner

Dumpster Divers

Freegans

//Where's the Lysol?

/

229 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:28:46pm

re: #219 Nevergiveup

Cubs reportedly to file for Chapter 11
Comment Email Print Share
ESPN.com news services
CHICAGO -- The Chicago Cubs might file for Chapter 11 in order to speed their sale by bankrupt media company Tribune Co, according to several media reports.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

great way to do business? Oh I forgot the US Government does it that way also. never mind.

The Obama Cubs? It's coming! He's a Southsider though...he may let them fly off a cliff. If it was the White Sox...well, let's just say they would be having a new CEO...with a Washington zip code.

230 right_wing2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:29:05pm

re: #220 albusteve

Hey, they're looking better than the Royals are!

231 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:29:25pm

re: #228 Gus 802

re: #218 sattv4u2


Freegans

//Where's the Lysol?

/

Come for the funemployment, stay for the starve-cation.

/HT Iowahawk

232 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:29:37pm

re: #224 Fenway_Nation

I thought Bin Laden figured out to stop using his satt phones when that information was disclosed during one of the criminal trials where the defendant was accused of aiding and abetting the embassy bombings in Africa.

/Which is why I'm dead-set against trying them in the US court system like a drunk driver or petty thief.

Hi, Fenway: Why not try them in the US court system like an ax-murderer or rapist?

233 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:30:03pm
234 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:30:10pm

The Libertines - Through the looking glass

235 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:30:52pm

re: #222 Desert Dog

They are very polite here as well. Why just this morning a nice fellow showed me a hand gesture. I believe he was telling me that "I"m #1". It is common courtesy and manners that make me so happy to drive in this place.

I'm serious...folks over here are the nicest drivers anywhere...they always let you in...lots of friendly nods and waves...but not so bright...very slow to get going, they wait alot for the perfect opening etc

236 avanti  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:31:04pm

re: #203 Desert Dog

Andy Granatelli!

I did not know those cars could move so fast, wow.

This is the slowest Studebaker, but I want one. (WW II Weasel )


237 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:31:23pm

re: #232 ShanghaiEd

Because in the process of establishing how we knew they were casing targets, stockpiling weapons etc etc, this would alert their cohorts as to how investigators and intelligence agencies were keeping tabs on them...

238 yochanan  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:31:43pm

re: #229 Desert Dog

nothing new the cubs have been bankrupt for a century.

239 sadhu  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:31:47pm

STS-127 is currently no go

[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

red for lightening at Kennedy Space Center --- Houston weather is no good either

240 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:31:52pm

re: #232 ShanghaiEd

Hi, Fenway: Why not try them in the US court system like an ax-murderer or rapist?

I'm in favor of trying them in US Court Rooms, but lets hang em first.

241 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:32:52pm

re: #235 albusteve

I'm serious...folks over here are the nicest drivers anywhere...they always let you in...lots of friendly nods and waves...but not so bright...very slow to get going, they wait alot for the perfect opening etc

I was not being serious about this place. Phoenix has the rudest, most discourteous, most aggressive and worst drivers I have ever seen. I have driven all over the world. This place is one of the worst.

New Mexico in general is a nicer place to drive around.

242 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:33:05pm

re: #232 ShanghaiEd

Hi, Fenway: Why not try them in the US court system like an ax-murderer or rapist?

They're unlawful combatants captured on the battlefield, not U.S. citizens.

/the only thing they're entitled to under international law is summary execution

243 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:33:24pm

re: #238 yochanan

nothing new the cubs have been bankrupt for a century.

Too bad, they have dedicated fans.

244 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:34:29pm

re: #241 Desert Dog

I was not being serious about this place. Phoenix has the rudest, most discourteous, most aggressive and worst drivers I have ever seen. I have driven all over the world. This place is one of the worst.

New Mexico in general is a nicer place to drive around.

You should try Atlanta. Drivers here have that special combination of aggression, stupidity and incompetence that you'll find no where else. L.A. drivers drive faster and take more chances, but at least they're good at it.

245 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:34:49pm

re: #242 Killian Bundy

They're unlawful combatants captured on the battlefield, not U.S. citizens.

/the only thing they're entitled to under international law is summary execution

Not according to Pres. Obama. They now have the right to remain silent. The right to attorney. And, if they cannot afford one, they can get one for free from US!

246 tradewind  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:35:12pm

re: #231 Fenway_Nation

Where's the lysol?


The lice are all over 'em.

247 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:35:27pm

re: #204 Desert Dog

When I was a kid, I had a TransAm with a 455 H.O. On a night trip to a nearby state where my fiance lived, I saw a pair of taillights flash on an overpass. I immediately realized that it had to be a cop and since I was driving like a greyhound in heat (which is about 125 mph), I slammed on the brakes, skidded through the overpass and was truly grateful when he wrote me up for "only" 85 mph.

248 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:36:01pm

re: #243 Desert Dog

Too bad, they have dedicated fans.

Dedicated to the one I love

249 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:36:02pm

re: #241 Desert Dog

I was not being serious about this place. Phoenix has the rudest, most discourteous, most aggressive and worst drivers I have ever seen. I have driven all over the world. This place is one of the worst.

New Mexico in general is a nicer place to drive around.

for me that would be the I-95 corridor...DC, Philly and north...unbelievable how rude people are...I just laugh it off tho

250 Long Nics are Looonnng  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:37:15pm

re: #88 LGoPs

My all time favorite name for a business was a Doggie Day Care in Seattle called "Puget Hounds"

Saw lingerie shop in a small town in NC called "Seek and Ye Shall Find"

251 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:37:40pm

re: #243 Desert Dog


I was at a Red Sox/Cubs game in Wrigley back in 2005...some of my Red Sox co-horts began chanting '19-18!'

I suggested to some of them that wasn't the road we really wanted to go down (however tempting), since we were in the same boat less than a year ago.

Great, classic ballpark and the Cubs faithful were good hosts and just as passionate and knowledgeable as the Red Sox fans...

252 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:37:41pm

re: #249 albusteve

for me that would be the I-95 corridor...DC, Philly and north...unbelievable how rude people are...I just laugh it off tho

Well you get kinda rude sitting in traffic?

253 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:38:49pm

THE LAW OF LAND WARFARE

/don't take my word for it

254 Long Nics are Looonnng  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:38:55pm

re: #252 Nevergiveup

and sitting in traffic and sitting in traffic and sitting in traffic...

"Looking in my rear view mirror...'bout to have a heart attack..."

255 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:39:08pm

re: #244 doppelganglander

You should try Atlanta. Drivers here have that special combination of aggression, stupidity and incompetence that you'll find no where else. L.A. drivers drive faster and take more chances, but at least they're good at it.

I like Chicago...bumper to bumper at 85...in and out, switching lanes...yeeehaa!...chuck holes, pylons, lanes moving around for construction

256 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:39:39pm

...and anything aside from Giordano's deep-dish pizza is a wussy, inferior imitation.

257 ggt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:39:44pm

Evening Lizards! It was the definition of a July day in The Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland today.

Not here for long. So, if I don't have a chance to say bye, have a great one all!

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

258 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:39:59pm

re: #250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Saw lingerie shop in a small town in NC called "Seek and Ye Shall Find"

Ever hear of the truck line "humping to please"?

259 Long Nics are Looonnng  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:41:01pm

re: #252 Nevergiveup

Well you get kinda rude sitting in traffic?

Traffic Sucks!

260 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:41:10pm

re: #250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Saw lingerie shop in a small town in NC called "Seek and Ye Shall Find"

Furniture store "Sofa King". Our prices are "Sofa King Low!"
LOL!

261 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:41:20pm

re: #252 Nevergiveup

The worst part about sitting in traffic on I-95 is you have to listen to NPR's Fresh Aire blaring from all the Volvos without airconditioning.

262 yochanan  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:41:25pm

re: #251 Fenway_Nation

the chicago FUBS are on there second century.

no goats, no pussey cats just win
CHICAGO WHITE SOX.

263 tradewind  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:41:33pm

Someone please tell the Dhimocrats that ' targeting small groups of Al Q'aeda terrorists for assassination after 9-11 ' was not a secret program, it was just common sense.
Idiots. If they're trying to cover Pelosi, they'll have to do better than that.

264 ggt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:41:35pm

One of my favorite business names was "Higher Ground" --a Christian bent coffee shop and book store.

265 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:42:02pm

re: #244 doppelganglander

You should try Atlanta. Drivers here have that special combination of aggression, stupidity and incompetence that you'll find no where else. L.A. drivers drive faster and take more chances, but at least they're good at it.

Atlanta is pretty bad. They drive faster here though. They put up all these photoradar cameras and the speeds have gone down. I hated those cameras at first, but it has worked...it was typical to be going 75-80 in a 55 here...in the 65-75 mph areas...forget it...guys would fly by going 90-100, easy. It's the rudeness of the drivers here that is shocking...big burly dudes in a truck or a soccer mom in a minivan...it doesn't matter, they're all rude here.

266 Gus  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:42:15pm

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Traffic Sucks!

Hey, it's "Captain Lewis Nixon."

267 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:42:17pm

one time I was driving up to DC from Norfolk on a Sunday evening...four lanes of traffic packed liked sardine...the on/off twinkling of red break lights was like an acid trip...tens of thousands of twinkles...it was hypnotic

268 tradewind  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:42:52pm

re: #260 VegasRick
That one took a minute...
:)

269 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:43:49pm

re: #261 shiek al beif salami

The worst part about sitting in traffic on I-95 is you have to listen to NPR's Fresh Aire blaring from all the Volvos without airconditioning.

I drive a Volvo? But it is air conditioned with Sirius Radio.

270 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:43:55pm

re: #217 Gus 802

I've two words for the congressional critics: screw them.

Their claim that they weren't briefed on this program is starting to flake around the edges. Former CIA chief Hayden said over the weekend that he briefed the appropriate members on several occasions, in detail, and nothing we held back. Like Pelosi and her tales of not being briefed about waterboarding when she had been, this story will fall apart once briefing minutes are examined, along with their roll calls.

This looks like an attempt to create a distraction from the dismal, unblinking failure of the Administration's economic efforts to have any perceivable effect. It may also be related to the sudden upsurge in bombings on the streets of Iraq that directly correlates with the drawdown of US military patrols prior to our anticipated pullout. Congress and the White House don't want people focusing on these embarrassing policy failures; a few headlines about Satan...er, I mean Dick Cheney, and his impish demon George Bush would be much more to their liking, especially with important votes on cap & trade and nationalized health care looming.

Cap & trade is in trouble in the Senate. Barbara Boxer has the lead on steering it through, and originally said her committee would vote on a draft resolution by the end of this month. Over the weekend, she quietly announced that the first vote on the measure had been postponed - until late September. At the earliest. She's having a very hard time roping in support from Democratic Senators from coal, oil and gas producing states, and from those whose states generate most of their electricity from coal; the staggering job losses and rises in energy costs that come with the bill are simply not going to garner enough support for passage, so she needs a couple more months of arm twisting before she will send it up for a committee vote. Not a good sign for Boxer or C&T. But an excellent indication of what the Administration and Congress don't want you thinking too hard about, and an excellent reason to apply as much heat as possible to your representatives to drive a stake through this bill's heart.

271 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:44:08pm

re: #244 doppelganglander

You should try Atlanta. Drivers here have that special combination of aggression, stupidity and incompetence that you'll find no where else. L.A. drivers drive faster and take more chances, but at least they're good at it.

They could also try Baton Rouge.
I believe the mission statement for our traffic planning office is, "Create Chaos On Every Road".

272 tradewind  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:45:14pm

re: #218 sattv4u2

Bet they do a mean jackknife.

273 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:45:34pm
274 avanti  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:45:52pm

re: #247 shiek al beif salami

When I was a kid, I had a TransAm with a 455 H.O. On a night trip to a nearby state where my fiance lived, I saw a pair of taillights flash on an overpass. I immediately realized that it had to be a cop and since I was driving like a greyhound in heat (which is about 125 mph), I slammed on the brakes, skidded through the overpass and was truly grateful when he wrote me up for "only" 85 mph.


I was pulled over after driving a insane speed in my new 68 Charger RT. I told the cop I had no excuse, just back from Nam and saw a stretch of empty rode and opened it up. We spent a few minutes swapping military stories and he sent me off telling me to be more careful.
That could never happen today with dash cams and the rest.

275 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:46:48pm

re: #271 reine.de.tout

They could also try Baton Rouge.
I believe the mission statement for our traffic planning office is, "Create Chaos On Every Road".

I have a bumper sticker that says "You're letting me in, you just don't know it yet".

/ok I made that up.

Evening.

276 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:46:59pm

re: #274 avanti

I was pulled over after driving a insane speed in my new 68 Charger RT. I told the cop I had no excuse, just back from Nam and saw a stretch of empty rode and opened it up. We spent a few minutes swapping military stories and he sent me off telling me to be more careful.
That could never happen today with dash cams and the rest.

Fast car...I never had a Mopar, but they always kicked my ass. I was always a Chevelle guy.

277 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:47:00pm

re: #274 avanti

I was pulled over after driving a insane speed in my new 68 Charger RT. I told the cop I had no excuse, just back from Nam and saw a stretch of empty rode and opened it up. We spent a few minutes swapping military stories and he sent me off telling me to be more careful.
That could never happen today with dash cams and the rest.

Sure it can

278 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:47:00pm

re: #264 ggt

There was the apocryphal psychiatrist and proctologist who decided to go into practice together but couldn't agree on an appropriate name for their practice. First they tried "Nuts and Butts", then "Queers and Rears," but finally settled on "Odds and Ends."

279 Long Nics are Looonnng  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:47:07pm

re: #266 Gus 802

Damn. I had to Google to get that reference. Nice.

280 yochanan  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:48:24pm

MONDAY morning on the 'L' with a car full of people who had a 'israeli shower'

281 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:48:49pm

re: #274 avanti

here she is...
Image: dodge_charger.jpg

282 tradewind  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:48:55pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

Just make sure you don't spell it ' Shoppe' and you're good.

283 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:49:01pm

re: #280 yochanan

Is that like a French shower, except with cologne?

284 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:49:47pm

re: #270 SixDegrees

Blasphemy!

/TOTUS has a special hell for people like you

285 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:49:49pm

re: #274 avanti

I was pulled over after driving a insane speed in my new 68 Charger RT. I told the cop I had no excuse, just back from Nam and saw a stretch of empty rode and opened it up. We spent a few minutes swapping military stories and he sent me off telling me to be more careful.
That could never happen today with dash cams and the rest.

Also, a spate of very bad things happening to cops during traffic stops has changed the protocol. In the past, they pulled you over, sized things up and then decided whether to make it official and call in your license, etc. Now, the protocol is to call in the instant you make the decision to pull someone over and provide a description of the car and it's license plate number. Makes follow up a whole lot easier in cases where things go bad for the primary officer, but it pretty much eliminates the chance of getting off with only a warning. At best, you'll still get a ticket, but for some lesser offense.

286 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:50:00pm

re: #283 shiek al beif salami

Is that like a French shower, except with cologne?

That's Golden!
/

287 Pianobuff  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:50:05pm

When are annual Darwin Awards handed out?


German blows hands off trying 'molecular gastronomy'
July 14, 2009 - 6:08AM

An experimental German cook accidentally blew off both his hands attempting to concoct a "molecular gastronomy" dish with liquid nitrogen, a newspaper report said on Monday.

The 24-year-old man from Stahnsdorf near Berlin somehow obtained some of the dangerous chemical and was poised to try out a new recipe from the school of molecular cooking, which aims to apply scientific processes to gastronomy.

There was an "enormous explosion," according to the Berliner Morgenpost daily.

The man lost one hand in the explosion and the other was so badly injured it had to be amputated.

The man, who was staying at his girlfriend's mother's house, was rushed to hospital where his condition was described as life-threatening. He is on artifical respiration.

He claimed he was trying to fill a gas lighter, but his girlfriend said he was trying to empty a canister of liquid nitrogen.

"Criminal investigators secured the remains of a nitrogen flask, bits of clothing, flesh and bits of skin," the paper said.

AFP

288 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:50:12pm

Quick test to see if non-You Tube Vids are embeddable:

Let's start with a Metra work train straining to haul Continuous Welded Rail in Chicagoland:

[Link: www.rail-videos.net...]

289 Gus  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:50:24pm

re: #270 SixDegrees

Their claim that they weren't briefed on this program is starting to flake around the edges. Former CIA chief Hayden said over the weekend that he briefed the appropriate members on several occasions, in detail, and nothing we held back. Like Pelosi and her tales of not being briefed about waterboarding when she had been, this story will fall apart once briefing minutes are examined, along with their roll calls.

This looks like an attempt to create a distraction from the dismal, unblinking failure of the Administration's economic efforts to have any perceivable effect. It may also be related to the sudden upsurge in bombings on the streets of Iraq that directly correlates with the drawdown of US military patrols prior to our anticipated pullout. Congress and the White House don't want people focusing on these embarrassing policy failures; a few headlines about Satan...er, I mean Dick Cheney, and his impish demon George Bush would be much more to their liking, especially with important votes on cap & trade and nationalized health care looming.

Cap & trade is in trouble in the Senate. Barbara Boxer has the lead on steering it through, and originally said her committee would vote on a draft resolution by the end of this month. Over the weekend, she quietly announced that the first vote on the measure had been postponed - until late September. At the earliest. She's having a very hard time roping in support from Democratic Senators from coal, oil and gas producing states, and from those whose states generate most of their electricity from coal; the staggering job losses and rises in energy costs that come with the bill are simply not going to garner enough support for passage, so she needs a couple more months of arm twisting before she will send it up for a committee vote. Not a good sign for Boxer or C&T. But an excellent indication of what the Administration and Congress don't want you thinking too hard about, and an excellent reason to apply as much heat as possible to your representatives to drive a stake through this bill's heart.

True!

It's another ploy along the lines of "blaming Bush." This time it looks like they're trying to bring it back to create a distraction from other events and to re-kindle any remaining anti-Bush sentiment. The media of course will gladly play along. Just yesterday there was a pathetic headline at the All Barrack Channel News (ABCNews) site claiming something to the effect of "will Bush's ghosts hamper Obama's term."

Sickening.

290 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:50:29pm
291 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:50:49pm

re: #280 yochanan

MONDAY morning on the 'L' with a car full of people who had a 'israeli shower'

Explain.

292 yochanan  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:50:55pm

re: #283 shiek al beif salami

yeah AKA dynamiting for fish

293 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:50:56pm

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

Brought a tear to my eye...

294 Gus  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:50:58pm

re: #279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Damn. I had to Google to get that reference. Nice.

BOB ;)

295 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:51:14pm

re: #277 Nevergiveup

Sure it can

It's more difficult; see my post above. Once a stop is called in, the officer is under more pressure to justify it. It's still possible to get waved off, but it's a lot less likely than it used to be.

296 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:51:54pm

re: #287 Pianobuff

When are annual Darwin Awards handed out?

German blows hands off trying 'molecular gastronomy'
July 14, 2009 - 6:08AM

An experimental German cook accidentally blew off both his hands attempting to concoct a "molecular gastronomy" dish with liquid nitrogen, a newspaper report said on Monday.

The 24-year-old man from Stahnsdorf near Berlin somehow obtained some of the dangerous chemical and was poised to try out a new recipe from the school of molecular cooking, which aims to apply scientific processes to gastronomy.

There was an "enormous explosion," according to the Berliner Morgenpost daily.

The man lost one hand in the explosion and the other was so badly injured it had to be amputated.

The man, who was staying at his girlfriend's mother's house, was rushed to hospital where his condition was described as life-threatening. He is on artifical respiration.

He claimed he was trying to fill a gas lighter, but his girlfriend said he was trying to empty a canister of liquid nitrogen.

"Criminal investigators secured the remains of a nitrogen flask, bits of clothing, flesh and bits of skin," the paper said.

AFP

He's not eligible for a Darwin unless he blew his nuts off.

297 Long Nics are Looonnng  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:52:08pm

re: #274 avanti

Getting let off will get rarer... The amount that they will let you go over before yanking you will decrease.

I'm guessing that police officers are under a lot of pressure these days to generate revenue.

298 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:52:10pm

re: #287 Pianobuff

Reminds me of that Mel Brooks movie where the guy exploded from eating too much. The beating heart thing was a classic.

299 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:52:31pm

He's got the next round ... but he always drinks for free ... One in Every Crowd ... I think of someone on here when I hear this song ... you ya think ... not in a bad way either ...

Hey Ya'll ...

300 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:52:55pm

Looks like Endeavor won't launch until Wednesday around six pm.

301 Gus  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:53:06pm

re: #298 shiek al beif salami

Reminds me of that Mel Brooks movie where the guy exploded from eating too much. The beating heart thing was a classic.

I think you mean Monty Python's the Meaning of Life.

That was Mr. Creosote.

302 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:54:10pm

re: #295 SixDegrees


I've heard of fix-it tickets where the fine or citation is waived off if you can show the police department proof of your broken tail-light or what have you being fixed by a certain date.

Seems like the closest thing to getting off with a warning in the era of every stop getting called in and dashboard cams. Of course, that's assuming there's something that needs to be fixed...

303 Pianobuff  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:54:11pm

re: #296 Alouette

He's not eligible for a Darwin unless he blew his nuts off.

Aaaah. Well, if he lives, he'll have a hard time pleasuring himself at least.

304 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:54:45pm

re: #287 Pianobuff

When are annual Darwin Awards handed out?

German blows hands off trying 'molecular gastronomy'
July 14, 2009 - 6:08AM

An experimental German cook accidentally blew off both his hands attempting to concoct a "molecular gastronomy" dish with liquid nitrogen, a newspaper report said on Monday.

The 24-year-old man from Stahnsdorf near Berlin somehow obtained some of the dangerous chemical and was poised to try out a new recipe from the school of molecular cooking, which aims to apply scientific processes to gastronomy.

There was an "enormous explosion," according to the Berliner Morgenpost daily.

The man lost one hand in the explosion and the other was so badly injured it had to be amputated.

The man, who was staying at his girlfriend's mother's house, was rushed to hospital where his condition was described as life-threatening. He is on artifical respiration.

He claimed he was trying to fill a gas lighter, but his girlfriend said he was trying to empty a canister of liquid nitrogen.

"Criminal investigators secured the remains of a nitrogen flask, bits of clothing, flesh and bits of skin," the paper said.

AFP

Something about this story doesn't sound quite right. Liquid nitrogen requires care, but it isn't all that dangerous as long as you're semi-awake when handling it. Sounds like it may have been grossly mishandled, or the Dewar flask it was in was defective. Or, more simply, that a Dewar wasn't used and Mr. Genius stored it in something that isn't designed to hold liquid nitrogen - like a pop bottle or lunch thermos or something. Even then, blowing your hands off took some serious work and imagination.

305 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:55:43pm

re: #301 Gus 802

I think you mean Monty Python's the Meaning of Life.

That was Mr. Creosote.

"Would you like mint, monsieur? It is waahfaw thin!"

306 Long Nics are Looonnng  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:55:45pm

re: #287 Pianobuff

Honorable mention unless you are killed.

307 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:55:51pm

re: #292 yochanan

I was once in Port Sudan on a balmy 52 degree (celsius) afternoon and decided to go to the open air fish market. I took one whiff and didn't need coffee for a couple of weeks. The smell was a safe, natural alternative to caffeine and other harmful stimulants.

308 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:56:12pm

re: #296 Alouette

He's not eligible for a Darwin unless he blew his nuts off.


From the article:

"Criminal investigators secured the remains of a nitrogen flask, bits of clothing, flesh and bits of skin," the paper said.

Could be the 'bits of skin' in question...

/liquid nitrogen circumcision, anyone?

309 Gus  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:56:34pm

re: #305 austin_blue

"Would you like mint, monsieur? It is waahfaw thin!"

And boom! The heart thing is pretty funny.

Can't be eating when you watch the clip.

310 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:56:51pm

re: #301 Gus 802

They say the second thing to go when one ages is the memory. I can't remember what the first thing is.

311 rightside  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:57:01pm

re: #305 austin_blue

Couldn't eat another bite, feck off!

312 yochanan  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:57:13pm

re: #291 Alouette

see 292

way too much after shave etc.

313 Gus  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:57:44pm

re: #310 shiek al beif salami

They say the second thing to go when one ages is the memory. I can't remember what the first thing is.

I hear that. They say coffee helps.

314 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:58:03pm

re: #302 Fenway_Nation

I've heard of fix-it tickets where the fine or citation is waived off if you can show the police department proof of your broken tail-light or what have you being fixed by a certain date.

Seems like the closest thing to getting off with a warning in the era of every stop getting called in and dashboard cams. Of course, that's assuming there's something that needs to be fixed...

Waiver once you prove a defect is fixed is pretty common, as long as it isn't an imminent safety hazard. In fact, around here it's written right into the law what qualifies - loud mufflers, cracked windshields, a single broken headlight or taillight, and a handful of other minor problems.

315 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:58:05pm

re: #304 SixDegrees

Something about this story doesn't sound quite right. Liquid nitrogen requires care, but it isn't all that dangerous as long as you're semi-awake when handling it. Sounds like it may have been grossly mishandled, or the Dewar flask it was in was defective. Or, more simply, that a Dewar wasn't used and Mr. Genius stored it in something that isn't designed to hold liquid nitrogen - like a pop bottle or lunch thermos or something. Even then, blowing your hands off took some serious work and imagination.

Thus, this incident should be considered for the Darwin Award.

316 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:59:19pm

re: #313 Gus 802

I think they said Viagra helped with the first thing, but I don't really remember,


or care.

317 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:00:08pm

re: #166 Charles

Watch out!

Tiger!


TIGER, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?


-William Blake (no relation to Robert)

318 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:00:52pm

re: #315 reine.de.tout

Thus, this incident should be considered for the Darwin Award.

To qualify for the Darwin Awards, you must successfully eliminate your ability to contribute to the collective gene pool in the future. Death counts. So does castration. To date, I don't think they check for sperm bank deposits, but maybe they should.

Mere stupidity, even gross stupidity, isn't an automatic qualifier. Although it might merit an honorable mention, to provide the recipient with enough encouragement to keep trying.

319 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:00:55pm

Another good one from The Onion News Network today:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

320 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:00:58pm

re: #300 Pvt Bin Jammin

Looks like Endeavor won't launch until Wednesday around six pm.

/the day they stop trying to fly these accidents waiting to happen can't come soon enough, losing 40% of the fleet should be a big clue

321 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:01:31pm

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey
Hello buzzsaw. Did Blake ever write anything about Monkey's?

322 yochanan  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:01:34pm

tiger butter

323 Pianobuff  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:02:35pm

OK...WTF?

324 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:03:26pm

re: #297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Getting let off will get rarer... The amount that they will let you go over before yanking you will decrease.

I'm guessing that police officers are under a lot of pressure these days to generate revenue.

As long as you're polite, you've got a chance.
Last time I was stopped, when the officer rolled up and asked me if I knew what he stopped me for, I just admitted that I was going a little quick. What are you gonna say ? Gee, I don't know, officer, is it because when you hit 100 tickets, you get a free dozen of doughnuts ?

He knows why he stopped you. Most of the time you know why he stopped you. I've gotten off with a few warnings that way.

You're at his mercy anyway, just be respectful and they'll treat you fair.
But there's always the Tackleberry.
You fooked then.

325 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:04:11pm
326 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:04:18pm

HOW TO DRIVE IN LOS ANGELES

1. You must first learn to pronounce the city name, it is L. A.

2. The morning rush hour is from 5:00 a.m. to noon. The evening rush hour is from noon to 7:00 p.m. Friday's rush hour starts on Thursday morning.

3. The minimum acceptable speed on most freeways is 85 mph. On the 105 or 110, your speed is expected to match the highway number. Anything less is considered 'Wussy.'

4. Forget the traffic rules you learned elsewhere. L A has its own version of traffic rules. For example, cars/trucks with the loudest muffler go first at a four-way stop; the trucks with the biggest tires go second.

However, in Malibu , SUV-driving, cellphone-talking moms ALWAYS have the right of way.

5. If you actually stop at a yellow light, you will be rear ended, cussed out, and possibly shot.

6. Never honk at anyone. Ever. Seriously. It's another offense that can get you shot.

7. Road construction is permanent and continuous in all of L A and Orange counties. Detour barrels are moved around for your entertainment pleasure during the middle of the night to make the next day's driving a bit more exciting.

8. Watch carefully for road hazards such as drunks, skunks, dogs, cats, barrels, cones, celebs, rubber-neckers, shredded tires, cell-phoners, deer and other road kill, and the coyotes feeding on any of these items.

9. Mapquest does not work here -- none of the roads are where they say they are or go where they say they do and all the freeway off and on ramps are moved each night.

10. If someone actually has their turn signal on, wave them to the shoulder immediately to let them know it has been 'accidentally activated.'

11. If you are in the left lane and only driving 70 in a 55-65mph zone, you are considered a road hazard and will be 'flipped off' accordingly.

If you return the flip, you'll be shot.

12. Do not try to estimate travel time -- just leave Monday afternoon for Tuesday appointments, by noon Thursday for Friday and right after church on Sunday for anything on Monday morning.

And finally 'Why is the L.A.Freeway called the '405'?

Because no matter where you are going, it takes 4 or 5 hours to get there.

I used to visit L.A. fairly often before my son left.
I'll actually miss it.

327 ggt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:05:34pm

bye all!

328 avanti  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:07:38pm

re: #297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Getting let off will get rarer... The amount that they will let you go over before yanking you will decrease.

I'm guessing that police officers are under a lot of pressure these days to generate revenue.

When I told a Studebaker friend that is a state trooper the story, he suggested he'd be in for the reaming of his life if he lets someone go that was way, way over the speed limit today. Too much info on the dashcam to ignore I guess. In my defense, I did slow down to the limit after blowing past his parked cruiser, but he must have known I was flying.

329 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:09:01pm

re: #318 SixDegrees

To qualify for the Darwin Awards, you must successfully eliminate your ability to contribute to the collective gene pool in the future. Death counts. So does castration. To date, I don't think they check for sperm bank deposits, but maybe they should.

Mere stupidity, even gross stupidity, isn't an automatic qualifier. Although it might merit an honorable mention, to provide the recipient with enough encouragement to keep trying.

Ah. I did not know the part in bold.

330 Pianobuff  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:11:25pm

re: #318 SixDegrees

To qualify for the Darwin Awards, you must successfully eliminate your ability to contribute to the collective gene pool in the future. Death counts. So does castration. To date, I don't think they check for sperm bank deposits, but maybe they should.

Mere stupidity, even gross stupidity, isn't an automatic qualifier. Although it might merit an honorable mention, to provide the recipient with enough encouragement to keep trying.

Well it looks a little touch and go for the dude right now, so who knows.

331 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:15:46pm

re: #323 Pianobuff

Looks like a scene from Team America.


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