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Curmudgeon Goes Off, Phoebe Wins

Science | Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 3:54:50 pm PDT

A pretty good rant from The Sensuous Curmudgeon, triggered by a whiny complaint from Discovery Institute creationist David Klinghoffer (who’s upset because all the visitors to his blog “hate” him): Creationists: Crybabies & Nancy-Boys.

Why don’t all of you anti-science theocrats find yourselves another political party — you’re destroying the GOP. This should be the start of a golden age for the Republicans. There’s a raving socialist in the White House, a totally crazed Congress, the economy is in free-fall, and our foreign adversaries grow increasingly emboldened. But still the GOP isn’t poised for a return. Why? Because you guys are turning the Republican Party into the Noah’s Ark Stupidity Society.

In a related vein, I might be the only person in America who never saw a single episode of “Friends,” but here’s a classic montage of evolution-related segments from the show:

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(Hat tip: Michael.)

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1 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:56:01pm

Harsh.

2 rwmofo  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:57:33pm

I'm with you on never seeing "Friends" or any other sitcom the last 25 years for that matter, but admit that "The Office" re-runs on TBS on Tuesday nights are starting to reel me in.

3 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:57:48pm

I've seen a half episode.

4 BigPapa  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:58:42pm

Wisdom of Friends? Whoda thunkit?

5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:58:43pm

TV-ISTS!

6 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:59:21pm

re: #5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

TV-ISTS!

Sitcom bashers.

7 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 3:59:48pm
Noah's Ark Stupidity Society.

LOL

8 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:00:20pm

re: #6 debutaunt

Proud sitcom basher here...

Altho' I'm not above quoting The Venture Brothers or King of the Hill on the LNDT.

9 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:01:05pm

re: #5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

TV-ISTS!

/TV causes people to evolve sqinty eyes & big butts.

10 EaterOfFood  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:01:33pm

That show is my idea of Hell. If anything of that offal is used with the word "classic," then the word needs to be retired.

11 MJ  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:01:33pm

I've never seen a Friends episode either unless one of them made an appearance on Forensic Files.

12 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:01:48pm

I never saw Friends or any other TV show after Mash...I'm not into pop culture...sort of a Steinfelt nerd

13 LatinGent  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:02:09pm

Fundamentalism. The killer of faith. And the rev limiter of the conservative comeback.

14 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:02:15pm

Hey! It's "Captain Sobel!"

/

15 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:02:42pm

re: #12 albusteve

I never saw Friends or any other TV show after Mash...I'm not into pop culture...sort of a Steinfelt nerd

albusteve ... 99.99% of tv sucks ...

16 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:02:54pm

re: #14 Gus 802

Hey! It's "Captain Sobel!"

/

feed them spaghetti

17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:03:08pm

re: #12 albusteve

Friends did not turn out to be nearly as stupid as I thought it was going to be. Laughed several times.

I'll admit it... I flippin love TV...

18 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:03:48pm

re: #11 MJ

I've never seen a Friends episode either unless one of them made an appearance on Forensic Files.

I love me some Forensic Files, or anything else with dead bodies and DNA evidence.

19 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:03:53pm

re: #15 JacksonTn

albusteve ... 99.99% of tv sucks ...

Captain Kangaroo was excellent...I drifted away after that...even my kids payed little attention to TV

20 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:03:58pm

re: #16 albusteve

feed them spaghetti

AKA "Army noodles and ketchup."

21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:04:12pm

re: #15 JacksonTn

Nope. Of course, the percentage may not to too off... there's a whole lot of tv.

22 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:04:20pm

Nicely played, indeed.

23 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:04:27pm

re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Friends did not turn out to be nearly as stupid as I thought it was going to be. Laughed several times.

I'll admit it... I flippin love TV...

It's a fine place to show your dvd collection.

24 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:04:43pm

re: #15 JacksonTn

albusteve ... 99.99% of tv sucks ...

...and the remaining .01% is usually a super bowl commercial.

25 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:04:47pm
Because you guys are turning the Republican Party into the Noah’s Ark Stupidity Society.

Would it be ironic if I said "Amen"?

26 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:04:54pm

re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Friends did not turn out to be nearly as stupid as I thought it was going to be. Laughed several times.

I'll admit it... I flippin love TV...

we know

27 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:05:01pm

Bad news for Curmudgeon - The SoCons will not be leaving the Republican Party.

They are in the process of an exorcism and many a heretic will be cast out.

This is what has happened in California. And the face of utterly insane incompetence on the part of Democrat partisans who run every aspect of the State, there is not a chance that the Republicans can step in and save it. Why? Because anyone who wants to come through the ranks as a moderate will not make it. They will be exposed as a RINO and turned out for not following an ideologically pure social agenda.

Arnold was an exception being able to run and win on his star power. He also quickly learned that his own caucus was unreliable except on social issues so he set about trying to lead the Democrats towards "solutions."

It is all a joke, but the well is very much poisoned. Better to walk away - I spent good years beating my head against the wall up until a Newt Gingrich phone bank pushed me over the edge.

28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:05:10pm

re: #26 albusteve

Well, good.

29 ladycatnip  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:05:13pm

OT sorta, but it's about tv

Obama is now going into the broadcast booth for baseball allstar game.

Doesn't he have a real job?

30 tradewind  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:05:26pm

I'm guessing the SC/author is not a big Sarah Palin fan.
It's going to be pretty interesting to watch how the Palin bashers spin/walk back the success she's going to have in the years to come.
Just saying...

31 freetoken  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:05:27pm
I might be the only person in America who never saw a single episode of “Friends,”

au contraire...

32 LatinGent  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:05:41pm

re: #29 ladycatnip

OT sorta, but it's about tv

Obama is now going into the broadcast booth for baseball allstar game.

Doesn't he have a real job?


No.

33 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:06:01pm

re: #20 Gus 802

AKA "Army noodles and ketchup."

I do watch some TV...that was a masterpiece

34 freetoken  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:06:12pm

re: #30 tradewind

I'm guessing the SC/author is not a big Sarah Palin fan.

For very good reasons, like many of us.

35 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:06:16pm
36 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:06:30pm

re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope. Of course, the percentage may not to too off... there's a whole lot of tv.

FBV ... even with sat ... and a gazillion channels ... the majority is bad ... even History Channel is not good now ... I did watch the first episode of Tudors last night on video on demand (which I am loving check it out at the LGF Store) ...

/it is really easy to use the LGF Amazon Store now and there is lots of stuff you buy all the time you can get from there free shipping ...

37 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:06:33pm

re: #25 Sharmuta

Would it be ironic if I said "Amen"?

Yes, but appropriate.

38 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:07:34pm

re: #29 ladycatnip

OT sorta, but it's about tv

Obama is now going into the broadcast booth for baseball allstar game.

Doesn't he have a real job?


can the call for more government regulation of sports be far behind?

39 BigPapa  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:07:39pm

Actually, Pheobe made a point that is supposedly correct:

Einstein theorized that time/space pushed matter into dense objects as opposed to dense objects attracting matter like a magnet. I forget the name of this theory or part of which but... I think Pheobe was right on that one, though she doesn't know how right she is.

40 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:07:51pm

For the record. I might strongly disagree with David Klinghoffer on many issues but I don't hate him.

41 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:08:07pm

re: #27 karmic_inquisitor

Bad news for Curmudgeon - The SoCons will not be leaving the Republican Party.

They are in the process of an exorcism and many a heretic will be cast out.

This is what has happened in California. And the face of utterly insane incompetence on the part of Democrat partisans who run every aspect of the State, there is not a chance that the Republicans can step in and save it. Why? Because anyone who wants to come through the ranks as a moderate will not make it. They will be exposed as a RINO and turned out for not following an ideologically pure social agenda.

Arnold was an exception being able to run and win on his star power. He also quickly learned that his own caucus was unreliable except on social issues so he set about trying to lead the Democrats towards "solutions."

It is all a joke, but the well is very much poisoned. Better to walk away - I spent good years beating my head against the wall up until a Newt Gingrich phone bank pushed me over the edge.

Oh- it gets worse, Dear. If the so-cons do get replaced in the party, these days the replacement is a ron paulbot. We're going from one bad idea to another. Not good.

42 rightside  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:08:19pm

I never wasted my time watching that trash either Charles. Like the intro to "close encounters of the third kind", you are not alone.

43 tradewind  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:08:57pm

re: #15 JacksonTn

Yep, and the other point one percent has been cancelled.
There were some really great shows that got the network axe this past year... Life, Journeyman, Eli Stone, Pushing Daisies,and further back New Amsterdam
They leave us with the classics ' I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here' and Dance Your Ass Off.
...idiots...

44 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:09:18pm
I might be the only person in America who never saw a single episode of “Friends


Nope.

Me, too.

45 Alouette  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:09:21pm

I have never watched an episode of "Friends." Or "Seinfeld."

46 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:10:04pm

re: #45 Alouette

Seinfeld was actually quite good...some pretty funny stuff in there. Friends? It was bad, very, very bad.

47 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:10:09pm

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, good.

while you watch TV, I'm mountain climbing, flying my jets, and servicing my harem. and drinking Dos Exis

48 Alouette  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:10:14pm

But I have watched every single episode of "South Park." Some more than once.

49 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:10:18pm

"Don't get me started on gravity." LOL

50 EaterOfFood  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:10:19pm

Every time someone I am acquainted with admits to liking Friends (which has happened maybe 3 times in my life, and never from anyone over 30) I tell them what a stupid show it is and they agree with me.

51 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:10:30pm

re: #45 Alouette

"Seinfeld" was fantastic. "Friends" was good.

52 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:10:40pm

re: #48 Alouette

But I have watched every single episode of "South Park." Some more than once.

There's some good watchin'! :-)

53 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:10:55pm

re: #46 Desert Dog

Seinfeld was actually quite good...some pretty funny stuff in there. Friends? It was bad, very, very bad.

Jason Alexander made it a no-go.

54 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:11:00pm

re: #49 Sharmuta

"Don't get me started on gravity." LOL


Why? Gravity got you down?

55 avanti  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:11:12pm

re: #10 EaterOfFood

That show is my idea of Hell. If anything of that offal is used with the word "classic," then the word needs to be retired.

Surprise, I've seen every episode, and watch them over and over, just like I do with Seinfeld.

56 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:11:16pm

re: #50 EaterOfFood

Every time someone I am acquainted with admits to liking Friends (which has happened maybe 3 times in my life, and never from anyone over 30) I tell them what a stupid show it is and they agree with me.

Sure it's stupid, but it's funny. I defy you not to laugh at the scene where Ross is trapped in the bathroom, unable to get back into his leather pants which have shrunk because he got them wet.

57 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:11:25pm

well, I never saw a single minute of Seinfeld
so I updinged you for your integrity on Friends

58 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:11:30pm

Never watched it.

TV peaked with Scooby Doo.

It's been all downhill since they introduced Scrappy.

59 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:11:36pm
In a related vein, I might be the only person in America who never saw a single episode of “Friends,”

Make that two...

60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:11:38pm

re: #47 albusteve

while you watch TV, I'm mountain climbing, flying my jets, and servicing my harem. and drinking Dos Exis

Sounds like a Tampon commercial.

61 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:12:05pm

re: #43 tradewind

Yep, and the other point one percent has been cancelled.
There were some really great shows that got the network axe this past year... Life, Journeyman, Eli Stone, Pushing Daisies,and further back New Amsterdam
They leave us with the classics ' I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here' and Dance Your Ass Off.
...idiots...

"sigh" & those who would watch "Dance Your Ass Off" are still eligible to vote...

62 tubbyhubby  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:12:22pm

I actually saw about 6 episodes - including the one where the ditz gets the geek to admit that because evolution is a "theory", it may not be a "fact". Then she totally humiliates him for caving on his convictions. Truly funny.

63 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:12:27pm

re: #52 Desert Dog

There's some good watchin'! :-)

Rocky the Squirrel was my last cartoon...they should bring back the Rockster

64 avanti  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:12:31pm

re: #56 doppelganglander

Sure it's stupid, but it's funny. I defy you not to laugh at the scene where Ross is trapped in the bathroom, unable to get back into his leather pants which have shrunk because he got them wet.

Today guilty pleasure for me, is Two and half men.

65 Alouette  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:12:50pm

re: #47 albusteve

while you watch TV, I'm mountain climbing, flying my jets, and servicing my harem. and drinking Dos Exis

What is that stuff you drink? Some extreme version of Dos Equis?

66 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:13:45pm

re: #60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sounds like a Tampon commercial.

wouldn't know myself...I don't watch Tampon commercials either

67 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:13:48pm

re: #64 avanti

Two and a half men is a hoot!

68 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:14:03pm
69 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:14:11pm

re: #60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sounds like a Tampon commercial.

The toilet paper bear commercial.

Worst

Ad

EVAH !

70 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:14:18pm

Even commercials on tv suck now ... except maybe the Superbowl ... the stupid Viagra and Cialis commercials are horrible ... remember when they could not even have a commercial for kotex? ... it was better then ... too many spots for medications ... jingles use to be good ... now they are not ...

71 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:14:33pm

re: #64 avanti

Today guilty pleasure for me, is Two and half men.

me too, Avanti.

72 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:14:43pm

re: #65 Alouette

What is that stuff you drink? Some extreme version of Dos Equis?

I don't spell Mexican very well

73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:15:04pm

re: #72 albusteve

I don't spell Mexican very well

You spelled it perfectly.

74 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:15:05pm

re: #53 debutaunt

Jason Alexander made it a no-go.

The writing, the "stories", the wit...I loved that show. That and the Sopranos are the last two programs I actually sat down and watched. Well, I sit with my 8 year old sometimes and we watch SpongeBob...But hey, SpongeBob is pretty witty stuff :-)

75 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:15:27pm

re: #54 Stuart Leviton

Why? Gravity got you down?

It's working against me.

76 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:15:29pm

re: #68 buzzsawmonkey

You should be guilty. The show, and its view of men and women, is moronic.

Malcolm in the Middle was brilliant. And it respected its audience enough to not have any laugh track of any sort.

I loved that show. I have been compared to Lois on occasion.

/My kids weren't really that bad, nor was I.

77 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:15:30pm

re: #70 JacksonTn

Except that little kid who does the E-trade commercials.
I love him.

I'm still trying to figure out the reason for the bathtubs in the Cialis commercials.

78 EaterOfFood  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:15:43pm

re: #56 doppelganglander

Sure it's stupid, but it's funny. I defy you not to laugh at the scene where Ross is trapped in the bathroom, unable to get back into his leather pants which have shrunk because he got them wet.

There's funny stupid, which I don't mind, and there's stupid stupid. I consider Friends in the latter. And I did watch the show, not with the deliberate intent of hating it.

Its influence made me give up on new American sitcoms.

79 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:15:45pm

Our media didn't cover the trial of the savages who tortured and eventually killed Ilan Halimi in france. Here's a story from the David Horowitz blog on the travesty of a trial for Halimi's tormentors.

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

sadly, france is still france

80 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:15:58pm

I admit that my wife and I watched Friends for the first two seasons and thought it was kinda hip and original but it got stale fast. But so did we once we had kids.

Didn't that show first run in 1990 or so? It lasted a very very long time and I have no idea why it did.

81 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:16:04pm

re: #75 Sharmuta

It's working against me.

I hear ya!

82 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:16:08pm

re: #77 J.D.

Except that little kid who does the E-trade commercials.
I love him.

I'm still trying to figure out the reason for the bathtubs in the Cialis commercials.

JD ... Oh, yes! I love that little guy ... I like the one where he throws up a little ... cracks me up ...

83 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:16:08pm

re: #73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You spelled it perfectly.

just lucky

84 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:16:39pm
In a related vein, I might be the only person in America who never saw a single episode of “Friends,”

No, you're not alone.

/and I didn't click the link, so I still have a perfect record

85 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:17:52pm

re: #76 doppelganglander

I loved that show. I have been compared to Lois on occasion.

/My kids weren't really that bad, nor was I.

One of the funniest episodes of that show that I ever saw . . . the mom went out for a "girls night out" and got drunk - the boys were home with Dad who was not doing a good job of watching them . .. the boys sneaked out and got into a little trouble . . . the mom and her friends got into so much trouble the cops had a helicopter out following them and when the mom finally got home and made it over the fence, the helicopter was right there, focusing the lights on her and the kids were completely wigged out.

Do you know which episode I'm talking about?

86 BigPapa  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:18:11pm

Somebody didn't watch Seinfeld? It's still damn funny 10 years later. Brilliant comedy.

87 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:18:46pm

I had no idea we had so many "Two and a Half Men" fans here. That is just mystifying to me. Now I love "How I Met Your Mother." "Big Bang Theory" is growing on me due to repeated exposure via my daughter, who loves it. Other than that, the only current sitcoms worth watching, IMO, are "30 Rock" and "The Office." I miss "Arrested Development."

88 HelloDare  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:19:21pm

Michele Bachmann, Nancy Pelosi and John Boehner rock! Literally.

Youtube Video

89 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:19:28pm

re: #87 doppelganglander

I had no idea we had so many "Two and a Half Men" fans here. That is just mystifying to me. Now I love "How I Met Your Mother." "Big Bang Theory" is growing on me due to repeated exposure via my daughter, who loves it. Other than that, the only current sitcoms worth watching, IMO, are "30 Rock" and "The Office." I miss "Arrested Development."

The kid and the housekeeper are the ones to watch for on Two and a Half Men.

90 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:19:32pm

re: #86 BigPapa

Have you watched Curb Your Enthusiasm?

91 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:19:35pm

Cheers.

/now there's a proper sitcom

92 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:19:43pm

re: #85 reine.de.tout

One of the funniest episodes of that show that I ever saw . . . the mom went out for a "girls night out" and got drunk - the boys were home with Dad who was not doing a good job of watching them . .. the boys sneaked out and got into a little trouble . . . the mom and her friends got into so much trouble the cops had a helicopter out following them and when the mom finally got home and made it over the fence, the helicopter was right there, focusing the lights on her and the kids were completely wigged out.

Do you know which episode I'm talking about?

Absolutely! Lois's book club -- except she's the only one who read the book; the real purpose of the evening is to get away from the family and drink wine. That one is a classic.

93 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:20:03pm

re: #86 BigPapa

Somebody didn't watch Seinfeld? It's still damn funny 10 years later. Brilliant comedy.

it's subjective

94 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:20:29pm

Anyone see Nova last week? The history of Japanese sword making. That was fantastic. A ridiculous amount of work goes into making a katana.

95 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:20:46pm

I did hear somewhere that Elaine from Seinfeld's dad did the Alka Seltzer jingle ... plop plop fizz fizz ... I think ...

96 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:20:53pm

The Bible is a highly revered book.
But its not the Encyclopedia or a dictionary.
It wont help with trigonometry, algebra or advanced physics, history or evolution.
People like David Klinghoffer have a preconceived notion, and will never look past their own ignorance.
In simpler terms, you cant fix stupid.

97 EaterOfFood  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:20:56pm

re: #86 BigPapa

Somebody didn't watch Seinfeld? It's still damn funny 10 years later. Brilliant comedy.

In the 1990s to me there were two classes of TV: The Simpsons (when it was good) and everything else.

98 wiffersnapper  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:21:05pm

I never saw an episode of Friends either. You're not so alone after all!

99 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:21:39pm

BTW -

The SoCons that are "taking back the Party" are the same ones who handed congress to Nancy Pelosi because a couple of sex scandals got them to sit out the election.

And then they would say "just you wait - people will see what a lousy jobs the Democrats do and then they will beg to vote for us." That was the line parroted when they watched Obama get elected.

I still don't see anyone begging to have creationism shoved down the throats of our kids. Nor do I see torch parades trying to get Gays to stop asking to get married. But those are "the issues" that are going to get America to "wake up." Just wait and see!

100 EaterOfFood  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:22:48pm

re: #91 Killian Bundy

Cheers.

/now there's a proper sitcom

Now you're speaking my language.

101 BigPapa  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:22:48pm

re: #90 J.D.

Have you watched Curb Your Enthusiasm?

I watched a few episodes but haven't had HBO for a while. After understanding Larry David then watching Seinfeld again, I can see the influence. I did like it, maybe a little more darker than Seinfeld.

Most younguns who like Friends would not really get Curb, been my experience.

102 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:23:10pm

re: #69 SasquatchOnSteroids

The toilet paper bear commercial.

Worst

Ad

EVAH !

Pretty awful.

But Gay Plastic Burger King is way worse.

103 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:23:23pm

CHARLES

In a related vein, I might be the only person in America who never saw a single episode of “Friends,” but here’s a classic montage of evolution-related segments from the show:

I have never seen a single episode either

My 80+ year old mother on the other hand never MISSED one!

104 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:24:01pm

re: #102 SixDegrees

Pretty awful.

But Gay Plastic Burger King is way worse.

That big plastic King head is creepy enough for a slasher movie.

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:24:20pm

Screw you guys...I'm watching Seinfeld right now.

106 jhrhv  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:24:33pm

I pay for cable but why I do not know.

For the latest on Latoya and Joe Jackson turn on your tv to any station. If you want to hear about totalitarian regimes crushing people interested in some form of freedom though you'd better pay your ISP bill.

107 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:24:46pm

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Screw you guys...I'm watching Seinfeld right now.

we know

108 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:24:52pm

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Screw you guys...I'm watching Seinfeld right now.

Is Jason Alexander on it?

109 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:25:02pm

re: #96 DEZes

The Bible is a highly revered book.
But its not the Encyclopedia or a dictionary.
It wont help with trigonometry, algebra or advanced physics, history or evolution.
People like David Klinghoffer have a preconceived notion, and will never look past their own ignorance.
In simpler terms, you cant fix stupid.

I remember when one of those-who-will-not-be-named was posting here got in an argument with me about the in-errancy of The Bible and that every word is God's specific prescription for mankind. "Even Leviticus?" I asked - "Absolutely" I was informed.

I wonder how many of these true believers have stoned their own children to death for insubordination, as Leviticus directs?

110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:25:05pm

re: #108 debutaunt

yep!

111 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:25:20pm

re: #102 SixDegrees

Pretty awful.

But Gay Plastic Burger King is way worse.

He's pretty creepy, I have to admit.

112 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:25:27pm

re: #110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

yep!

**Shudder**

113 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:25:45pm

re: #104 DEZes

That big plastic King head is creepy enough for a slasher movie.

I don't know what their ad agency - or the corporate wonk who approved those ads - was thinking, but I never want to eat at Burger King again after seeing them.

They would have been better off pitching a staggering cow as their mascot.

114 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:25:47pm

re: #104 DEZes

That big plastic King head is creepy enough for a slasher movie.

lol, beat me to it.

115 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:25:47pm

re: #88 HelloDare

I had that song running through my head all day yesterday.

116 Alouette  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:25:47pm

re: #77 J.D.

Except that little kid who does the E-trade commercials.
I love him.

I'm still trying to figure out the reason for the bathtubs in the Cialis commercials.

That reminds me of a Jewish joke.

A man sees a store window with a display of watches, so he goes inside the store and says, "I need a new battery for my watch."

The guy behind the counter says, "I can't help you. I'm not a watch salesman, I'm a mohel." (rabbi who performs ritual circumcisions)

So the man asked him, "Why do you have all those watches in your window?"

"Tell me what you think I should put in the window."

117 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:25:50pm

re: #108 debutaunt

Is Jason Alexander on it?

BTW - did you know that John Kerry served in Vietnam?

118 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:25:54pm

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Screw you guys...I'm watching Seinfeld right now.

FBV ... are you in a motel room? ...

119 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:26:07pm

I have never seen but one Seinfeld episode and nary a one of Friends.

120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:26:16pm

re: #118 JacksonTn

In my house.

121 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:26:40pm

obviously, if you pay attention, TV was invented to broadcast football games...the other stuff is fluff to pay the bills

122 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:26:48pm

re: #117 karmic_inquisitor

BTW - did you know that John Kerry served in Vietnam?

It's seared directly into my I don't care.

123 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:27:05pm

re: #120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In my house.

FBV ...are you going out on the road as much now? ...

124 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:27:15pm

re: #116 Alouette

Nice version of the joke...mine takes much longer to tell. Brevity is cool.

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:27:42pm

re: #123 JacksonTn

Yep. Home for a few days...then the world beckons me again.

126 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:27:56pm

re: #106 jhrhv

I pay for cable but why I do not know.

For the latest on Latoya and Joe Jackson turn on your tv to any station. If you want to hear about totalitarian regimes crushing people interested in some form of freedom though you'd better pay your ISP bill.

We dumped cable years ago. We use the screen mostly watching DVDs of the better TV shows that are out there. Just finished up the last season of The Shield and are finishing up the first season of Burn Notice. Oh, and if you haven't watched MI-5 (aka Spooks in the UK) or the absolutely brilliant Slings and Arrows, get thee to a video store.

127 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:28:08pm

While looking for news about Iran this morning, I learned about

1988 execution of political prisoners which occurred after a power struggle. I wonder about the current power struggle within Iran. And I fear for the throngs who have recently vanished.
A minute of silence for those kids.

128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:28:16pm

I wonder if Charles had the intention of starting a TV thread.

129 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:28:19pm

BBIAB

130 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:28:37pm

Hai Karate old commercial ...

Youtube Video

131 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:28:37pm

re: #104 DEZes

That big plastic King head is creepy enough for a slasher movie.

Youtube Video

/aren't advertising campaigns supposed to be creepy?

132 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:29:09pm

re: #121 albusteve

obviously, if you pay attention, TV was invented to broadcast football games...the other stuff is fluff to pay the bills


except for ESPN ...

133 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:29:20pm

re: #116 Alouette

A surgeon was retiring from his long and rewarding career as a specialist in circumcision. Throughout his career, he had saved the foreskins of his patients in specimen jars as momentos, and now wished to fashion them into a souvenir.

So he brought his hundreds of specimens to a leathersmith, and asked him to craft an article of fine artistic quality. "I'll see what I can do," said the artisan, "Check back with me in one week."

The surgeon returned one week later, eager to see what magnificent article the leathersmith had made for him. The leathersmith presented him a wallet.

"All those foreskins and you only make me a wallet?" exclaimed the surgeon.

The leathersmith replied "Yes, but if you stroke it, it becomes a briefcase.

134 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:29:28pm

re: #116 Alouette

That reminds me of a Jewish joke.

A man sees a store window with a display of watches, so he goes inside the store and says, "I need a new battery for my watch."

The guy behind the counter says, "I can't help you. I'm not a watch salesman, I'm a mohel." (rabbi who performs ritual circumcisions)

So the man asked him, "Why do you have all those watches in your window?"

"Tell me what you think I should put in the window."

well you do know the one about the mohel who give a wallet as a gift...

135 EaterOfFood  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:29:45pm

re: #8 Fenway_Nation

ProudAltho' I'm not above quoting The Venture Brothers or King of the Hill on the LNDT.

I am sad that King of the Hill is ending, but at least it is the only Fox animated sitcom that will go out with even a modicum of dignity. The Simpsons used to be the greatest TV show of all time, now it's turned into the beast that won't die.

136 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:30:13pm

re: #88 HelloDare

This one isn't as good but skip to 0:42 for the Ron Paul segment...

Youtube Video

137 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:30:23pm

re: #101 BigPapa

Yes, I think it appeals more to we ... ahem ... mature adults.
:-D

138 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:30:27pm

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Screw you guys...I'm watching Seinfeld right now.

and I am going to plug my fingers into my ears
and yell
nah nah nah nah
like a good liberal would
when faced with facts

139 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:30:43pm

Youtube Video

/nothing to see here, move along

140 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:31:01pm
141 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:31:03pm

re: #124 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nice version of the joke...mine takes much longer to tell. Brevity is cool.

Are you bragging that yours is longer?

142 jhrhv  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:31:19pm

re: #126 austin_blue

I've heard of slings and arrows before not any of the rest of those. The wifes likes tv in bed to fall asleep. Makes me crazy. I learned via flight once that ear plugs are even better in the bedroom than they are on a plane.

143 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:31:53pm

re: #130 JacksonTn

Hai Karate old commercial ...


[Video]

I like this commercial

144 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:32:22pm

re: #121 albusteve

obviously, if you pay attention, TV was invented to broadcast football games...the other stuff is fluff to pay the bills

no, sorry to correct you but
TV was invented to play VHS porn tapes

145 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:32:34pm

re: #116 Alouette

That reminds me of a Jewish joke.

A man sees a store window with a display of watches, so he goes inside the store and says, "I need a new battery for my watch."

The guy behind the counter says, "I can't help you. I'm not a watch salesman, I'm a mohel." (rabbi who performs ritual circumcisions)

So the man asked him, "Why do you have all those watches in your window?"

"Tell me what you think I should put in the window."

I know one much worse.

A mohel is cleaning out a closet and comes across a big box of foreskins that he has collected throughout his career. He takes them to a leather worker in hopes that they can be made into something useful. The leather worker says disdainfully "come back in a week - I'll see what I can do." The mohel returns and the leather worker is grinning "You are going to love what I made." Then he reaches behind the counter and places a wallet made of foreskins on the counter.

"I don't understand" says the mohel. "I brought a huge box full of a life's work and all you made was this little wallet?"

The leather worker smiled broadly - "Ahhh - but if you rub it, it turns into a suitcase!"

146 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:32:53pm

TAKE IT EASY ON MUSLIM EXTREMISTS, POLICE TOLD

POLICE will be ordered not to charge Muslim extremists in many hate crime cases – to stop them becoming more militant. ...


I'll bet that will be a raging success.

147 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:33:16pm

re: #132 _RememberTonyC

except for ESPN ...

don't watch it anymore...it's gotten to the point where I turn on the TV for kickoff and turn it of when the game is over...even the SB...the redundant hype is just too much for me...I surf the net for scores and highlites etc

148 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:33:29pm

re: #134 brookly red

well you do know the one about the mohel who give a wallet as a gift...

Rub it and it's two-suiter!

149 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:33:48pm

Yes, tv sucks ...

I Put A Spell On You ... Joe Cocker ...

Youtube Video

150 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:33:50pm

re: #126 austin_blue

We dumped cable years ago. We use the screen mostly watching DVDs of the better TV shows that are out there. Just finished up the last season of The Shield and are finishing up the first season of Burn Notice. Oh, and if you haven't watched MI-5 (aka Spooks in the UK) or the absolutely brilliant Slings and Arrows, get thee to a video store.

We just dropped HBO and Cinemax, and we thought about cutting back some of the "premium" channels to save money. Then I realized I watch more shows on Discovery Science, National Geographic, Investigation Discovery and History International than I do on the networks. I'll be honest, we watch a lot of TV, so it ends up being a good entertainment value for us.

151 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:34:13pm

re: #144 Adrenalyn

no, sorry to correct you but
TV was invented to play VHS porn tapes

I make my own

152 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:34:23pm

re: #109 karmic_inquisitor

I remember when one of those-who-will-not-be-named was posting here got in an argument with me about the in-errancy of The Bible and that every word is God's specific prescription for mankind. "Even Leviticus?" I asked - "Absolutely" I was informed.

I wonder how many of these true believers have stoned their own children to death for insubordination, as Leviticus directs?

I had a creationist tell me God is so huge the universe cant contain him.
But refused to stop trying to shove God in a box that fit his finite view.

153 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:34:33pm

re: #148 austin_blue

Rub it and it's two-suiter!

"a" two-suiter. PIMF. Jeez.

154 jhrhv  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:34:40pm

re: #136 Killgore Trout

Reminded me of watching the Bruno movie over the weekend. When Bruno drops his pants Ron Paul goes nuts. I still can't believe what my eyes saw in that theater.

155 Clubsec  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:34:56pm

Late breaking ... (errr recently actually)
Someone has assassinated one of the TOTUS Twins!
The ONE directs his attention to his RIGHT.
Who is responsible? Who killed TOTUS2? News at 6. Stay tuned.

156 freetoken  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:35:25pm

re: #70 JacksonTn

Even commercials on tv suck now ...

Depends on which country's commercials you are watching!

157 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:35:29pm

re: #154 jhrhv

Reminded me of watching the Bruno movie over the weekend. When Bruno drops his pants Ron Paul goes nuts. I still can't believe what my eyes saw in that theater.

Yah, but did you like it? Was it worth 8 bucks?

158 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:35:30pm

re: #154 jhrhv

Reminded me of watching the Bruno movie over the weekend. When Bruno drops his pants Ron Paul goes nuts. I still can't believe what my eyes saw in that theater.

I saw it last night, and I know exactly where you're coming from.

159 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:35:36pm

re: #155 Clubsec

Late breaking ... (errr recently actually)
Someone has assassinated one of the TOTUS Twins!
The ONE directs his attention to his RIGHT.
Who is responsible? Who killed TOTUS2? News at 6. Stay tuned.

Club ... he will def have a stiff neck tomorrow ...

160 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:35:43pm

re: #140 buzzsawmonkeyYashar Koach!

161 Racer X  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:35:49pm

"TV Sucks! Here, let me link this Youtube"

162 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:35:54pm

re: #156 freetoken

Depends on which country's commercials you are watching!

FT ... that is true ... Japan commercials are good ...

163 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:36:17pm

re: #154 jhrhv

Someone leaked the Ron Paul segment onto youtube a few days ago. It looks pretty good but it doesn't look as good as Borat to me.

164 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:36:24pm

re: #150 doppelganglander

We just dropped HBO and Cinemax, and we thought about cutting back some of the "premium" channels to save money. Then I realized I watch more shows on Discovery Science, National Geographic, Investigation Discovery and History International than I do on the networks. I'll be honest, we watch a lot of TV, so it ends up being a good entertainment value for us.

it depends on the Mush Factor...I watched a western on some channel a while back and there were NO commercials...I could not believe it

165 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:36:26pm

re: #161 Racer X

"TV Sucks! Here, let me link this Youtube"

Racer ... blah ... youtube is not tv ...

166 Alouette  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:36:47pm

re: #140 buzzsawmonkey

I wonder how many people who make boneheaded pronouncements like those bolded above have actually studied the Talmud so that they know that

a) the strictures in Levitcus do not apply to non-Jews, and

b) such strictures as cited above apply only under highly rare circumstances--and then only after adjudication by a beis din (rabbinical court)?

Biblical pronouncements by a Biblical ignoramus are as worthless as creationist discourses on transitional fossils.

There is a discussion of the ben sorer u'morer in the Talmud (stoning of the rebellious son) in which it is argued that this was never meant to be literally carried out, that it was a means of frightening naughty children into correct behavior. If you read the verse carefully, the parents are not allowed to carry out the sentence themselves: they are required to bring the ben sorer to the court to be judged by the elders.

167 HelloDare  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:36:56pm

re: #155 Clubsec

Late breaking ... (errr recently actually)
Someone has assassinated one of the TOTUS Twins!
The ONE directs his attention to his RIGHT.
Who is responsible? Who killed TOTUS2? News at 6. Stay tuned.

Yeah, Obama's speech was only half bad.

168 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:37:20pm

re: #151 albusteve

I make my own

But VHS tapes are so old fashioned!

169 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:37:21pm

re: #140 buzzsawmonkey

I wonder how many people who make boneheaded pronouncements like those bolded above have actually studied the Talmud so that they know that

a) the strictures in Levitcus do not apply to non-Jews, and

b) such strictures as cited above apply only under highly rare circumstances--and then only after adjudication by a beis din (rabbinical court)?

Biblical pronouncements by a Biblical ignoramus are as worthless as creationist discourses on transitional fossils.

Well the individual I was having the "discussion" with was a Jew. And he was adamant that Leviticus applied to all. BZ were the poster's initials. Not sure if all of BZ's posts are purged, but I can go and try and find it if you'd like.

170 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:37:40pm

re: #147 albusteve

don't watch it anymore...it's gotten to the point where I turn on the TV for kickoff and turn it of when the game is over...even the SB...the redundant hype is just too much for me...I surf the net for scores and highlites etc


is football the only sport you care about?

171 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:38:00pm

re: #156 freetoken

Depends on which country's commercials you are watching!

Youtube Video

/some are more clever than others

172 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:38:02pm

re: #144 Adrenalyn

no, sorry to correct you but
TV was invented to play VHS porn tapes

Now its high def and blue ray. ;)

173 jhrhv  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:38:15pm

re: #157 austin_blue

I laughed a lot talking about it when I left. More then in the theater. I will have to watch it again when I can get it at blockbuster.

Yes I liked. Better then tv ;-)

174 BigPapa  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:38:41pm

re: #93 albusteve

it's subjective

Yes, brilliant subjective comedy. That's what I meant. :)

175 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:38:56pm

What ever happened to Afrocity?

176 Racer X  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:39:04pm

re: #172 DEZes

Now its high def and blue ray. ;)

Not sure I want to see that in HD.

177 Alouette  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:39:08pm

re: #154 jhrhv

Reminded me of watching the Bruno movie over the weekend. When Bruno drops his pants Ron Paul goes nuts. I still can't believe what my eyes saw in that theater.

I heave not seen it, but someone who did told me it was just like that crawling-around naked scene in Borat, only more so.

178 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:39:09pm

re: #172 DEZes

Now its high def and blue ray. ;)

sooopppeerrr ssslllooo mmmooo and Zoom !

179 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:39:15pm

re: #170 _RememberTonyC

is football the only sport you care about?

pretty much anymore...I'm addicted...the NBA turned me off years ago...I like watching ski racing in the winter

180 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:39:44pm

re: #60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sounds like a Tampon commercial.


A guy is on the brand new jumbo jet, sitting in coach
he has to go pee
but the bathroom is full
so he walks up to first class
where there are male and female bathrooms
he begs the female flight attendant to use the women's room
because the men's is always full

finally, she relents and lets him in with the admonishment
DON'T PUSH THE PURPLE BUTTON, whatever you do

ok, fine he says

so he is sitting there taking care of business
and finally the urge to experiment overcomes him
and he pushes the purple button

he passes out
next thing he knows, he is in a hospital
he looks around and asks where he is
the nurse says, your are in a hospital, in France
you passed out on the flight from America

he thinks...huh, what ?
what was the last thing I did...?
so he looks down and to his horror, his Johnson is gone

then the female flight attendant comes to visit and says
so dumbass, you just had to push the purple button didn't you
admit it, you pushed the purple button, right

he sheepishly nods
yes, what the flock was it

that was the automatic tampon remover

181 HelloDare  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:39:59pm

re: #171 Killian Bundy

Put one over the kids head. /

182 jhrhv  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:40:28pm

re: #157 austin_blue

OH I didn't have to pay someone gave me a gift card for fixing thier PC. I won't take cash from people I know. I get a lot of gift cards though. Some people just won't take I don't want your money for an answer.

183 EaterOfFood  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:40:32pm

re: #139 Killian Bundy

[Video]

/nothing to see here, move along

I was a kid in the 1980s and never heard of Burger King's kiddie-ad characters until I got the internet. And the new ones are horrifying. Even worse is the "Baby Got Back" parody with Spongebob Squarepants. Now who in their right mind thought it prudent to use a character children (and childish adults like me) love for a spoof of one of the best-known raps about a fetish for large behinds?

Imagine if McDonald's took Ronald McDonald and crew and made them sex offenders. Although when you consider how bizarre some of their Japanese ads are (2:49 may warp you):

184 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:41:04pm

Way back when ... we had only b/w tv ... my father came home one day with this plastic stuff that he said would make our tv color ... it was something you put on the tv ... it had different colors on it ... I know I am not making this up ... anyone else know what I am kinda remembering ... of course it was lame ...

185 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:41:15pm

re: #175 _RememberTonyC

What ever happened to Afrocity?

I dunno.

Whatever happened to ploome?

186 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:41:33pm
187 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:41:36pm

re: #164 albusteve

it depends on the Mush Factor...I watched a western on some channel a while back and there were NO commercials...I could not believe it

We have Dish Network, and they have several Encore channels, commercial free, including one that's nothing but Westerns. We also get Fox Movies and Turner Classic. With the DVR, we record a lot of stuff too. Anything with commercials, we can blow right through them.

188 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:41:47pm

re: #166 AlouetteAnd that the testimony of a parent either for or against their child is not considered for one could expect the parent to stand up for their child. And if a parent testifies against his/her own child, one must wonder about the parent's sanity. Great reading; great discussions.

189 EaterOfFood  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:42:10pm

re: #183 EaterOfFood

Whoops:

Youtube Video

190 jhrhv  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:42:22pm

re: #177 Alouette

There were a few bits that were take offs of bits from Borat.

191 BigPapa  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:42:36pm

re: #146 J.D.

I'll bet that will be a raging success.


Seething pacifism should work, it's just never been done right, like communism.

192 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:42:42pm

re: #92 doppelganglander

Absolutely! Lois's book club -- except she's the only one who read the book; the real purpose of the evening is to get away from the family and drink wine. That one is a classic.

That's it!
Yes. I laughed so hard . . . throughout the entire episode.

193 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:43:00pm

re: #184 JacksonTn

Way back when ... we had only b/w tv ... my father came home one day with this plastic stuff that he said would make our tv color ... it was something you put on the tv ... it had different colors on it ... I know I am not making this up ... anyone else know what I am kinda remembering ... of course it was lame ...

I remember it, although we didn't have it.

194 EaterOfFood  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:43:40pm

re: #154 jhrhv

Reminded me of watching the Bruno movie over the weekend. When Bruno drops his pants Ron Paul goes nuts. I still can't believe what my eyes saw in that theater.

Goes nuts? He already got there decades ago.

195 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:43:52pm

re: #192 reine.de.tout

That's it!
Yes. I laughed so hard . . . throughout the entire episode.

Reine ... Hey! ... I synced my iPhone with my iTunes on my mac today ... amazing ...

I mentioned last night that you guys with the kindles should do a book club ... I don't have one ... yet ...

196 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:44:00pm

re: #175 _RememberTonyC

What ever happened to Afrocity?

She drops by now and then. She's got her own blog, [Link: afrocityblog.wordpress.com...]

197 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:44:05pm

re: #94 austin_blue

I've got three. One is of no account. It is real japanese, pre WWII but it has some pitting on the blade. The second, also a real Japanese blade is more interesting. It is supposed to be very old, and has the look of it. It is unsigned, so we can't tell much more about it.

My last katana (and wakizashi) are modern production blades with 8192 layer cryo-tempered blades. Not a Masamune, by any stretch, but nice :-)

198 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:44:15pm

re: #187 doppelganglander

We have Dish Network, and they have several Encore channels, commercial free, including one that's nothing but Westerns. We also get Fox Movies and Turner Classic. With the DVR, we record a lot of stuff too. Anything with commercials, we can blow right through them.

I just have cable...I switch it on, surf for the history of the hamburger, or look for some military thing then switch it off...I have a gazzilion channels but never use them...maybe I should get with it but I'm just not that interested

199 freetoken  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:45:04pm

re: #171 Killian Bundy

Hey... on the other hand, there are those breast-feeding videos on youtube, should one want an alternative opinion...

200 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:45:10pm

re: #185 J.D.

I dunno.

Whatever happened to ploome?

goneski...she hangs out with BabbaZee

201 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:45:25pm

Ta-Ta-Ta-Ta-Ta...

Now coming to you from the Secret Mountain Lair... online and fine...

202 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:46:02pm

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

Ta-Ta-Ta-Ta-Ta...

Now coming to you from the Secret Mountain Lair... online and fine...

WLN ... sweet .. hope you are happy long time ... in your lair ...

203 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:46:10pm

re: #184 JacksonTn

Way back when ... we had only b/w tv ... my father came home one day with this plastic stuff that he said would make our tv color ... it was something you put on the tv ... it had different colors on it ... I know I am not making this up ... anyone else know what I am kinda remembering ... of course it was lame ...

I remember, it sucked. ;)

204 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:46:17pm

re: #200 albusteve

goneski...she hangs out with BabbaZee

And Savage Nation

205 Alouette  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:46:31pm

re: #180 Adrenalyn

There were two baggage handlers at Sheremetevyo airport in Moscow, who every night would sneak into the Duty Free store and take a few liters of vodka home with them.

The thefts were discovered and to prevent this, every night the Duty Free store was emptied of inventory before being locked for the night.

The baggage handlers had to look elsewhere for their refreshment. They discovered a container of jet fuel, and decided it packed a good kick and didn't taste too bad.

The next morning, one of the drinkers got a call from his friend.

"Comrade, do you remember the jet fuel we consumed last night?"

"Well, yes I do."

"Are you feeling OK? Do you have a hangover?"

"Not any worse than usual."

"Tell me my friend, since we drank, have you passed gas?"

"Well, I don't know, I can't remember..."

"Because I did, and now I'm in Seattle."

206 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:46:35pm

re: #186 buzzsawmonkey

Yes. My point is that "reading carefully" is typically not behind such statements.

The most diehard Biblical literalists I have ever encountered are those who have an investment in mocking the text; the farthest thing from their minds is reading the text carefully, or finding out what thousands of years of interpretation and implementation are. Context, nuance, and interlocking affect go out the window; they will read a credit card term change with more attention, because the purpose is invariably to choose the easiest and cheapest path of reductio ad absurdum.

OK -

So how is it that Leviticus 18 12 (Translated as "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.") is misinterpreted by the many a Christian fundamentalist as God's prohibition of homosexuality? There has been a longstanding prohibition of homosexuality in the Catholic Church, much of it based on that passage.

Are they misinterpreting it? Does that prohibition only apply to Jews?

207 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:46:36pm

re: #200 albusteve

goneski...she hangs out with BabbaZee

Oh!

Hmmm.

208 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:46:48pm

re: #203 DEZes

I remember, it sucked. ;)

DEZ ... do you really? ... hahaha ... my father was always bringing home something ... crazy guy but what a guy ...

209 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:46:52pm

I was recently giving thought to joining the marijuana party. Granted- their platform is extremely thin- but the core tenet is individual liberty, and that's something I support. It flows over into other issues. Issues that perhaps this party could be more intellectually honest about than others. People who believe in individual liberty know better than to push social issues because we accept it's none of our damned business so long as you're not violating the rights of others. That's 15 million potential voters- I don't see it as a substance issue, I see it as much deeper- a personal liberty issue. Just thinking out loud, I guess.

Or maybe someone will form a balanced budget party. I'd look at that too.

210 jhrhv  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:47:02pm

Is Ron Paul a Ross or Phoebe?

211 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:48:15pm

re: #184 JacksonTn

Way back when ... we had only b/w tv ... my father came home one day with this plastic stuff that he said would make our tv color ... it was something you put on the tv ... it had different colors on it ... I know I am not making this up ... anyone else know what I am kinda remembering ... of course it was lame ...

Blue on the top, green on the bottom?

212 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:48:21pm

re: #204 sattv4u2

And Savage Nation

Really?

213 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:48:48pm

re: #209 Sharmuta

I was recently giving thought to joining the marijuana party. Granted- their platform is extremely thin-

On the upside,, they have LOTS of tastey munchies at the meetings!

214 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:48:57pm

re: #208 JacksonTn

DEZ ... do you really? ... hahaha ... my father was always bringing home something ... crazy guy but what a guy ...

Oh yeah, I remember it, Dad took it back and cussed the friend that sold it to him.

215 jhrhv  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:48:58pm

re: #203 DEZes

That's from back in the days when Ali was on tv against Fraser. That was tv worth watching.

216 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:49:00pm

re: #211 austin_blue

Blue on the top, green on the bottom?

AB ... something like that but then i was about 47 years ago ...

217 Alouette  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:49:02pm

re: #210 jhrhv

Is Ron Paul a Ross or Phoebe?

Is Ron Paul an asshole or a pussy?

218 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:49:20pm

re: #212 VegasRick

Really?

yup ,,, from what I've seen/heard they're all over on the "stalker blog'

219 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:49:32pm

re: #209 Sharmuta

I was recently giving thought to joining the marijuana party. Granted- their platform is extremely thin- but the core tenet is individual liberty, and that's something I support. It flows over into other issues. Issues that perhaps this party could be more intellectually honest about than others. People who believe in individual liberty know better than to push social issues because we accept it's none of our damned business so long as you're not violating the rights of others. That's 15 million potential voters- I don't see it as a substance issue, I see it as much deeper- a personal liberty issue. Just thinking out loud, I guess.

Or maybe someone will form a balanced budget party. I'd look at that too.

huh, what we're we just talking about ?

220 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:49:42pm

re: #206 karmic_inquisitor

OK -

So how is it that Leviticus 18 12 (Translated as "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.") is misinterpreted by the many a Christian fundamentalist as God's prohibition of homosexuality? There has been a longstanding prohibition of homosexuality in the Catholic Church, much of it based on that passage.

Are they misinterpreting it? Does that prohibition only apply to Jews?

Isn't 18:12 the one that says you shouldn't do your sister?

221 jhrhv  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:49:51pm

re: #217 Alouette

Can I choose both?

222 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:49:58pm

Youtube Video

/top this

223 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:50:28pm

re: #209 Sharmuta

THE GLOBAL MARIJUANA MARCH

MAY 2, 2009

LEXINGTON, KENTUCKY

WITH

GATEWOOD GALBRAITH!

I had to check the Kentucky chapter to see if they mentioned Gatewood.
He always used to run for governor... bless his heart...

224 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:50:47pm

re: #220 Stuart Leviton

Isn't 18:12 the one that says you shouldn't do your sister?

no, you're thinking of Hot Shots

"it's like doing your sister
sure she has a rack full of goodies
but it's just plain wrong"

225 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:50:49pm
226 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:51:02pm

re: #218 sattv4u2

yup ,,, from what I've seen/heard they're all over on the "stalker blog'

Guess you just think you know some folks.

227 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:51:36pm

re: #215 jhrhv

That's from back in the days when Ali was on tv against Fraser. That was tv worth watching.

It was along time ago, But I still remember going to the drug store with dad to get tubes for the TV.

228 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:52:09pm

re: #227 DEZes

It was along time ago, But I still remember going to the drug store with dad to get tubes for the TV.

Me too!

229 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:52:12pm

re: #213 sattv4u2

Actually- I'm interested in the underlying values involved, and on this issue- the side of individual liberty, which I support, lies on the side of the pot heads.

230 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:52:18pm

re: #227 DEZes

It was along time ago, But I still remember going to the drug store with dad to get tubes for the TV.

DEZ ... yes and remember those machines in almost all the stores to test them ..

231 jhrhv  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:52:21pm

re: #222 Killian Bundy

That's :39 seconds I'll never get back.

232 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:52:41pm

re: #226 VegasRick

Guess you just think you know some folks.

Funny how many of them tyrashed the stalkers till they had their own melt downs here then went RIGHT there

233 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:52:42pm

re: #222 Killian Bundy

[Video]

/top this

Game.

Set.

Match.

234 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:52:45pm

re: #209 Sharmuta

I was recently giving thought to joining the marijuana party. Granted- their platform is extremely thin- but the core tenet is individual liberty, and that's something I support. It flows over into other issues. Issues that perhaps this party could be more intellectually honest about than others. People who believe in individual liberty know better than to push social issues because we accept it's none of our damned business so long as you're not violating the rights of others. That's 15 million potential voters- I don't see it as a substance issue, I see it as much deeper- a personal liberty issue. Just thinking out loud, I guess.

Or maybe someone will form a balanced budget party. I'd look at that too.

well I don't 'love' marijuana but they do have an honest point...it's the hypocrisy that bothers me the most, and the amt of tax money spent hauling uses and growers off to the slammer...it's a slam dunk money maker for the feds and their state minions

235 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:53:20pm

re: #222 Killian Bundy

Thar ya' go.

236 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:53:27pm

re: #232 sattv4u2

Funny how many of them tyrashed the stalkers till they had their own melt downs here then went RIGHT there

Yep.

237 jhrhv  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:53:41pm

re: #227 DEZes

hahaha okay you just reminded me of the hi-fi no not wi-fi.

238 Alouette  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:54:06pm

re: #222 Killian Bundy

/top this

My daughter got a bunch of those videos last year when she was potty training my granddaughter.

239 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:54:32pm

re: #229 Sharmuta

Actually- I'm interested in the underlying values involved, and on this issue- the side of individual liberty, which I support, lies on the side of the pot heads.

The 1st hurdle is de-criminilizing it. Until then, as long as an activity is against the law, i can't see starting a political party over it. It's akin to starting an under-age driving privilage party before working on lowering the legal age

240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:54:44pm

re: #215 jhrhv

That's from back in the days when Ali was on tv against Fraser. That was tv worth watching.

Frazier against Roz was good too.

241 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:55:25pm

re: #229 Sharmuta

Actually- I'm interested in the underlying values involved, and on this issue- the side of individual liberty, which I support, lies on the side of the pot heads.

I'm in personal turmoil regarding the GOP...I want to actively support somebody or something but I don't see who it is...I'm really afraid old time conservatism is dying...

242 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:55:47pm

re: #230 JacksonTn

DEZ ... yes and remember those machines in almost all the stores to test them ..

It was a Taylor Drugs, we always hit the soda fountain while dad fiddled with the machine. ;)

243 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:56:44pm

re: #215 jhrhv

That's from back in the days when Ali was on tv against Fraser. That was tv worth watching.

We were invited to visit Ali at his home about 3 years ago and when we went in, he was watching Thrilla in Manila.

244 HelloDare  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:57:07pm

re: #222 Killian Bundy

Funny that the mom and pa cats didn't train their kid to use a litter box. Here's how to train a cat to use the toilet.
How to really toilet train a cat.

245 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:57:07pm

re: #227 DEZes

It was along time ago, But I still remember going to the drug store with dad to get tubes for the TV.

Me, too!

246 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:57:24pm

re: #242 DEZes

It was a Taylor Drugs, we always hit the soda fountain while dad fiddled with the machine. ;)

DEZ ... it was K&B Drug Stores in New Orleans ... they are gone now ... along wiht Schweggmanns ... at Schweggmanns mama could shop and they had a bar in the grocery store ... where my father would down a few Dixies while she shopped ...

247 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:57:37pm

re: #241 albusteve

I'm in personal turmoil regarding the GOP...I want to actively support somebody or something but I don't see who it is...I'm really afraid old time conservatism is dying...

well sometimes its more about needing reject something that needing to support something, if ya know what i mean...

248 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:57:40pm

Pelosi Predicts Health Care Package Can Pass Cataclysmic US Disaster By August Recess

Thar ya' go, again.

249 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:57:52pm

re: #234 albusteve

well I don't 'love' marijuana but they do have an honest point...it's the hypocrisy that bothers me the most, and the amt of tax money spent hauling uses and growers off to the slammer...it's a slam dunk money maker for the feds and their state minions

I think California is seriously looking at legalizing and taxing it. There's a lot to be said for treating it like alcohol.

250 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:57:58pm

re: #228 VegasRick

Me too!

The good thing about those days was Apollo. :)

251 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:58:08pm

re: #179 albusteve

pretty much anymore...I'm addicted...the NBA turned me off years ago...I like watching ski racing in the winter


come back to the NBA ... the league has improved a lot!

252 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:58:25pm

re: #246 JacksonTn

DEZ ... it was K&B Drug Stores in New Orleans ... they are gone now ... along wiht Schweggmanns ... at Schweggmanns mama could shop and they had a bar in the grocery store ... where my father would down a few Dixies while she shopped ...

quaint southern life...truly missed

253 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:58:32pm

re: #241 albusteve

I'm in personal turmoil regarding the GOP...I want to actively support somebody or something but I don't see who it is...I'm really afraid old time conservatism is dying...

Every time I get that feeling, i liten to or read (in no particular order

Dennis Prager
Victor Davis Hanson
Byron York
Megyn Kelly
Hugh Hewitt

(etc etc etc)

254 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:59:03pm

re: #196 doppelganglander

She drops by now and then. She's got her own blog, [Link: afrocityblog.wordpress.com...]

cool ... thanks

255 Racer X  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:59:08pm

re: #209 Sharmuta

Or maybe someone will form a balanced budget party. I'd look at that too.

Can't buy weed if you don't have cash.

256 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:59:10pm
257 EaterOfFood  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:59:16pm

re: #222 Killian Bundy

You win.

Speaking of wacked-out Japanese pop culture, it occurred to me that most of their game shows (that I've seen) have the same basic premise of "Truth or Consequences".

258 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:59:27pm

re: #234 albusteve

well I don't 'love' marijuana but they do have an honest point...it's the hypocrisy that bothers me the most, and the amt of tax money spent hauling uses and growers off to the slammer...it's a slam dunk money maker for the feds and their state minions

That's just it- you don't have to "love" marijuana- but it doesn't change the underlying principle of individual liberty. And on this issue- it very much is hypocrisy. But the hypocrisy is all around us. Freedom mean making choices for yourself that other people don't like. As long as you're not violating the rights of others- I really don't give a damn what people are doing. It's when they start crossing boundaries that I have a problem with it. Don't tell me you're for smaller government and individual rights when you're pushing ID into public schools. I'm not buying it. Maybe there is more intellectually honest grounds elsewhere.

259 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:59:35pm

re: #247 brookly red

well sometimes its more about needing reject something that needing to support something, if ya know what i mean...

I reject authority and I reject intrusion into my life...so that makes me an extremists now days

260 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:59:47pm

I don't miss Dad making me hold the rabbit ears by the window so he could watch Barney Miller.

That's a tough half hour.

/

261 bloodstar  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 4:59:58pm

Toss in the winner of the Young Republicans teetering on being a full blown racist and you have a double whammy for the Republicans today.

262 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:00:11pm

re: #259 albusteve

I reject authority and I reject intrusion into my life...so that makes me an extremists now days

albusteve ... you know you are on a list somewhere ... hide ...

263 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:00:23pm

re: #246 JacksonTn

DEZ ... it was K&B Drug Stores in New Orleans ... they are gone now ... along wiht Schweggmanns ... at Schweggmanns mama could shop and they had a bar in the grocery store ... where my father would down a few Dixies while she shopped ...

No Taylor Drugs around here any more that I know of.
I miss those days.

264 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:00:24pm

re: #246 JacksonTn

DEZ ... it was K&B Drug Stores in New Orleans ... they are gone now ... along wiht Schweggmanns ... at Schweggmanns mama could shop and they had a bar in the grocery store ... where my father would down a few Dixies while she shopped ...

Katz and Besthof had the best sculpture collection in NO at their HQ on Lee Circle. And "makin' groceries at Scweggies". Ah, the days of my yout'...

265 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:00:25pm

re: #260 SasquatchOnSteroids

I don't miss Dad making me hold the rabbit ears by the window so he could watch Barney Miller.

That's a tough half hour.

/

a roll of tin foil releaved me of that duty!

266 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:00:26pm

re: #246 JacksonTn

DEZ ... it was K&B Drug Stores in New Orleans ... they are gone now ... along wiht Schweggmanns ... at Schweggmanns mama could shop and they had a bar in the grocery store ... where my father would down a few Dixies while she shopped ...


That is an idea that is ripe for revival.

267 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:00:32pm

re: #255 Racer X

Can't buy weed if you don't have cash.

They can join forces! ;)

268 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:00:48pm

re: #249 doppelganglander

I think California is seriously looking at legalizing and taxing it. There's a lot to be said for treating it like alcohol.

it's a huge money maker...I posted about this very situation a couple of weeks ago...CA better do something quick and this pot of gold just sits there

269 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:00:51pm

re: #260 SasquatchOnSteroids

I don't miss Dad making me hold the rabbit ears by the window so he could watch Barney Miller.

That's a tough half hour.

/

SoS ... with aluminum foil on the rabbit ears? ... been there ... I was the youngest and I had to hold it just right ...

270 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:01:16pm

re: #267 Sharmuta

They can join forces! ;)

If they can remember to show up!
/

271 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:01:31pm

re: #256 buzzsawmonkeyWay cool. I'm sitting at your feet learning. I wonder if the prohibition relates to the Pinchas story.

272 jhrhv  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:01:43pm

re: #243 J.D.

Sports and politics don't seem to have many gentlemen/ambassadors left these days.

273 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:02:18pm

re: #255 Racer X

Can't buy weed if you don't have cash.

Actually- all joking aside for a moment- that's not so silly. The marijuana party might be an economic power house, if they thought about it. They'd balance the budget and make sure there was a surplus left over for weed. ;p

274 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:02:19pm

re: #267 Sharmuta

They can joint forces! ;)

Couldnt help myself.

275 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:02:24pm

re: #251 _RememberTonyC

come back to the NBA ... the league has improved a lot!

I enjoyed the Piston's run for the championship a few years back, but they have a legacy of tough D and unselfish play...I'm too old fashioned...the game is bigger than the players

276 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:03:03pm

re: #264 austin_blue

Katz and Besthof had the best sculpture collection in NO at their HQ on Lee Circle. And "makin' groceries at Scweggies". Ah, the days of my yout'...

AB ... I hear ya brother ... the neighborhood poboy shops ... in Algiers you had to buzz to get in many of them ... I lived on the Point when I first left home ... had a shotgun double on Olivier ... took the ferry downtown to work ... it was great ...

277 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:03:06pm

re: #259 albusteve

I reject authority and I reject intrusion into my life...so that makes me an extremists now days

I can deal with non-intrusive authority...

278 BignJames  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:03:22pm

re: #272 jhrhv

Sports and politics don't seem to have many gentlemen/ambassadors left these days.

Juicers and liars...what's not to like?

279 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:03:24pm

re: #262 JacksonTn

albusteve ... you know you are on a list somewhere ... hide ...

fuck them...I have no fear of the govt...I'm armed and dangerous...heh

280 Racer X  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:03:33pm

re: #261 bloodstar

Question for you:

Karl Rove = Magnificent Bastard?
or
Lying criminal who should be in jail?

281 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:03:46pm

re: #244 HelloDare

Funny that the mom and pa cats didn't train their kid to use a litter box. Here's how to train a cat to use the toilet.
How to really toilet train a cat.

Youtube Video

/you had to see that coming

282 Racer X  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:04:01pm

re: #273 Sharmuta

Actually- all joking aside for a moment- that's not so silly. The marijuana party might be an economic power house, if they thought about it. They'd balance the budget and make sure there was a surplus left over for weed. ;p

I'm in!

283 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:04:13pm
284 EaterOfFood  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:04:14pm

re: #249 doppelganglander

I think California is seriously looking at legalizing and taxing it. There's a lot to be said for treating it like alcohol.

They wouldn't legalize it if they couldn't tax it.

285 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:05:04pm

re: #282 Racer X

I'm in!

Dude!

286 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:05:20pm

re: #261 bloodstar

Toss in the winner of the Young Republicans teetering on being a full blown racist and you have a double whammy for the Republicans today.

Please show me where the NATIONAL RNC supports or even acknowledges the "Young Republican Paty"

I can call myself the Queen Of The May ,,, doesn't make it so!@

287 austin_blue  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:05:37pm

re: #276 JacksonTn

AB ... I hear ya brother ... the neighborhood poboy shops ... in Algiers you had to buzz to get in many of them ... I lived on the Point when I first left home ... had a shotgun double on Olivier ... took the ferry downtown to work ... it was great ...

I was an uptown cat. Went to school there. Nicholas G. Castrogiavanni's Big Train Bar. 'Nuff said.

288 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:05:45pm

re: #285 Sharmuta

Dude!

Got any Cheetos man?

289 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:05:52pm

re: #14 Gus 802

Hey! It's "Captain Sobel!"

/

When he was funny.

290 jhrhv  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:05:54pm

The problem seems to lie at least partially with the same people that are anti-science are anti-legalize. There is huge money in tax and lots to be saved in not having courts and police tied up in going after people with drugs less harmful that vodka.

Anyway have a nice night yall. I'm getting ready for guest this weekend and a BIG bash for the Mrs.

291 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:06:11pm

re: #257 EaterOfFood

You win.

Speaking of wacked-out Japanese pop culture, it occurred to me that most of their game shows (that I've seen) have the same basic premise of "Truth or Consequences".

Youtube Video

/a different cup of tea

292 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:06:12pm

re: #284 EaterOfFood

They wouldn't legalize it if they couldn't tax it.

EoF .. Poster Boy for the movement ...

[Link: www.420magazine.com...]

293 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:06:20pm

re: #225 buzzsawmonkey

You can if you want to--that's up to you.

Sorry to jump on you, but the notion that one can skim Biblical text--particularly in translation--with the same attention one devotes to a novel and get anything like an understanding of it is something that particularly irks me, and it seems to be remarkably widespread.

Well you have taken a conversation I was having with BZ completely out of context.

I had argued to BZ that most Jews I knew had a more nuanced view of Leviticus and that they had found that Christians seemed more likely to interpret Leviticus literally. BZ would have none of it - that, word by word, sentence by sentence, we are all bound by the text and that the "reform minded" had simply tried to water down God's word.

At which point I posed the "Have you stoned your children?"

The question is not intended to offend those who see Leviticus as part of a whole subject to complex interpretation but to focus the mind of one who doesn't.

294 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:06:33pm

re: #290 jhrhv

The problem seems to lie at least partially with the same people that are anti-science are anti-legalize. There is huge money in tax and lots to be saved in not having courts and police tied up in going after people with drugs less harmful that vodka.

Anyway have a nice night yall. I'm getting ready for guest this weekend and a BIG bash for the Mrs.

Take good care.

295 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:06:50pm

re: #286 sattv4u2

I can call myself the Queen Of The May ,,, doesn't make it so!@

All depends on how you are dressed--and if you're near a May pole.

296 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:07:27pm

re: #290 jhrhv

Anyway have a nice night yall. I'm getting ready for guest this weekend and a BIG bash for the Mrs.


How nice!
Good night!

297 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:07:29pm

re: #288 DEZes

Got any Cheetos man?

Ha ! I was thinking that if they did legalize it, I'm going full bore into Frito-Lay.

Screw the portfolio, we got the munchies.

298 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:07:36pm

re: #295 calcajun

All depends on how you are dressed--and if you're near a May pole.

I used to LOVE MAYPO!!!

oh ,, wait ,, neveahmind!

299 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:07:51pm

re: #257 EaterOfFood

Speaking of wacked-out Japanese pop culture, it occurred to me that most of their game shows (that I've seen) have the same basic premise of "Truth or Consequences".

More like "Truth or we debase you in front of the entire nation"

300 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:08:21pm

re: #277 brookly red

I can deal with non-intrusive authority...

of course...I'm not some freaked out anarchist...the further we drift from the founding principle the more distorted they become...history and legacy mean everything...civics and civil responsibility are getting lost in the fog of liberalism...if you leave me alone I will be the best neighbor you can ever have and I've lived my life just like that...I'm simple minded but I have strong principle I refuse to compromise

301 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:08:33pm

re: #298 sattv4u2

I used to LOVE MAYPO!!!

oh ,, wait ,, neveahmind!

All the stories about the Mat pole were just phallacies.

302 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:08:33pm

re: #299 calcajun

More like "Truth or we debase you in front of the entire nation"

they cut right too it!

303 freetoken  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:08:45pm

Since this thread is nominally about evolution... I see that one of the dedicated "stalker" blogs is at it again about the end of "evolutionism".

The need for people to believe in something, anything, is evident daily. Especially in this country, whose citizens are among the more confident that they know the truth.

The future is going to be hard work.

304 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:09:18pm

re: #297 SasquatchOnSteroids

Ha ! I was thinking that if they did legalize it, I'm going full bore into Frito-Lay.

Screw the portfolio, we got the munchies.

I was thinking along those lines, but adding piazza and Sliders.

305 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:09:21pm

re: #249 doppelganglander

I think California is seriously looking at legalizing and taxing it. There's a lot to be said for treating it like alcohol.

Well maybe if they didn't have so many unproductive types in Calif...
Oh, never mind.

306 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:09:24pm

re: #301 calcajun

All the stories about the Mat pole were just phallacies.

May gosh darn it May pole.

PIMF--Argh.

307 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:09:38pm

re: #303 freetoken

Since this thread is nominally about evolution... I see that one of the dedicated "stalker" blogs is at it again about the end of "evolutionism".

The need for people to believe in something, anything, is evident daily. Especially in this country, whose citizens are among the more confident that they know the truth.

The future is going to be hard work.

eh ,, as an old guy, I can tell you the past was no picnic either!

308 freetoken  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:09:39pm

re: #299 calcajun

More like "Truth or we debase you in front of the entire nation"

Please note that many of the individuals in these shows are TV actors.

309 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:09:40pm

re: #303 freetoken

Since this thread is nominally about evolution... I see that one of the dedicated "stalker" blogs is at it again about the end of "evolutionism".

The need for people to believe in something, anything, is evident daily. Especially in this country, whose citizens are among the more confident that they know the truth.

The future is going to be hard work.

Ft ... everything is hard work ... those that choose to do the hard work ... are getting fewer and fewer ...

310 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:10:38pm

re: #308 freetoken

Please note that many of the individuals in these shows are TV actors.

Starving actors to be precise who are doing anything to fill out that resume.

311 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:11:45pm
312 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:12:41pm

re: #308 freetoken

Please note that many of the individuals in these shows are TV actors.

well i guess it is ok if it keeps em out of politics...

313 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:13:11pm

re: #312 brookly red

well i guess it is ok if it keeps em out of politics...

BR .. their egos will not allow that ...

314 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:14:25pm

via instapunding...
Swearing mitigates pain
Everybody knows that.

315 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:14:29pm

re: #313 JacksonTn

BR .. their egos will not allow that ...


/heres to SENATOR Frankin...

316 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:15:00pm

re: #305 brookly red

Well maybe if they didn't have so many unproductive types in Calif...
Oh, never mind.

But by paying taxes on their weed, they'd become contributing members of society!

317 J.D.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:15:13pm

instapundit
sheesh

318 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:15:13pm

re: #315 brookly red

/heres to SENATOR Frankin...

BR ... exactly ... can you believe he made his claim to fame wearing diapers? ... head swirls ...

319 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:16:05pm

Youtube Video

/and they reveled in the Bataan death march too

320 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:16:06pm

re: #205 Alouette

There were two baggage handlers at Sheremetevyo airport in Moscow, who every night would sneak into the Duty Free store and take a few liters of vodka home with them.

The thefts were discovered and to prevent this, every night the Duty Free store was emptied of inventory before being locked for the night.

The baggage handlers had to look elsewhere for their refreshment. They discovered a container of jet fuel, and decided it packed a good kick and didn't taste too bad.

The next morning, one of the drinkers got a call from his friend.

"Comrade, do you remember the jet fuel we consumed last night?"

"Well, yes I do."

"Are you feeling OK? Do you have a hangover?"

"Not any worse than usual."

"Tell me my friend, since we drank, have you passed gas?"

"Well, I don't know, I can't remember..."

"Because I did, and now I'm in Seattle."

The hydraulic and de-icing systems in the Soviets' Cold-War era TU-22 Blinder bomber were fed by a 450 l. tank of pure grain alchohol. This was the one popular feature of this otherwise wretched aircraft, at least with ground crews. Aircrews sometimes found that the systems would not work because ground crewmen had drunk all the alcohol.

321 Racer X  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:17:05pm

Speaking of weed - I'm getting really pissed off at all of the legal "medical marijuana" stores popping up all over Southern California. Its getting a little ridiculous. OK fine I'm more pissed off at the fact there were none when I was growing up. Kids today have it so easy.

322 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:17:11pm

re: #314 J.D.

via instapunding...
Swearing mitigates pain
Everybody knows that.

"Some experimental evidence to suggest that swearing makes pain less traumatic"

Heh, tell that to poor that almost fainted when I mashed a thumb at work.
She musta had virgin ears. ;)

323 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:17:24pm

re: #316 doppelganglander

But by paying taxes on their weed, they'd become contributing members of society!

yeah, like paying the tax on malt liquor w/food stamps... it's still other peoples money.

324 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:17:35pm

my contribution:
Sitcoms are a reflection of evolution.
They've changed, adapted, only the best survive, lots of "fossils" laying around to be studied...BUT, they are brought to you by a sponsor...

/I love a twist ending

325 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:17:57pm

re: #303 freetoken

Since this thread is nominally about evolution... I see that one of the dedicated "stalker" blogs is at it again about the end of "evolutionism".

The need for people to believe in something, anything, is evident daily. Especially in this country, whose citizens are among the more confident that they know the truth.

The future is going to be hard work.

not for me...I've had it...I've worked my tail off my whole adult life...paid for my own education, provided jobs for others, provided housing for others...put my kids through school, given away alot of money...and the IRS has hounded my every step of the way...the tables are turned now...so be it

326 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:18:29pm

Crazy Republicans tackle the serious issues...
Bachmann, Poe introduce bill to curb yearly Census survey

Reps. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) and Ted Poe (R-Texas) have introduced legislation that would curtail the extent of information collected by the U.S. Census Bureau in a yearly survey.

The bill comes after Bachmann came under fire, even by some Republicans, for vowing not to fill out the legally-mandated Census in 2010 over concerns about the nature of some of the information collected by the survey.

The legislation would make responding to the yearly "American Community Survey" voluntary, and dramatically scale down the extent of its questions posed annually to Americans.

The bill would reduce the response to the survey to four questions: Name, contact information, date of response, and number of people living or staying at the same address.

327 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:18:59pm

re: #318 JacksonTn

BR ... exactly ... can you believe he made his claim to fame wearing diapers? ... head swirls ...

he is a democrat, no?

328 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:19:05pm

re: #315 brookly red

/heres to SENATOR Frankin "Al Fraud"...

join me in celebrating his new nic'

329 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:19:35pm

re: #321 Racer X

I haven't seen any here in Oregon yet.

330 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:20:00pm

I'm going with Adrian Gonzalez to win the 2009 Home Run Derby.

331 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:20:33pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

Crazy Republicans tackle the serious issues...

It actually IS a serious issue. The extent of information they have added to the current census questions are intrusive at best, criminal at worst

332 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:20:45pm

Heh -- Friends was such an overrated sitcom, but Lisa Kudrow (as "Phoebe") rocked in those clips. As far as I know, she's had the most interesting post-sitcom acting career out of any of the Friends alums.

Anyway, I thought that Phoebe's "evolution just seems too easy" line was particularly brilliant. On the one hand, you can see it as a jab at Creationists who claim that evolutionary biology is much too complex -- a Byzantine tangle of epicycles that scientists invent whenever they can't explain something -- to be contrasted with the elegant simplicity of God breathing life into dust. (Of course, the simplicity of Creationism is, in a sense, illusory -- it only appears simple because Creationists take care to avoid asking such questions as "Exactly how did God do it?" and "Where did God Himself come from?") Phoebe's "too easy" line is, in other words, the opposite of what we're accustomed to hearing from evolution deniers in real life.

On the other hand, Phoebe's answer implicitly says that although evolution satisfies Occam's Razor (i.e., it's "easy"), for this very reason it doesn't satisfy her (being "too easy"). So in that way, it's also a jab at "rationalists," who stereotypically like to pull out Occam's Razor as their "aha, gotcha!" trump card in arguments with religious believers.

333 DEZes  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:21:20pm

re: #318 JacksonTn

BR ... exactly ... can you believe he made his claim to fame wearing diapers? ... head swirls ...

Depends on who you ask, butt I hear he still wears em.
///

334 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:21:36pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

Crazy Republicans tackle the serious issues...
Bachmann, Poe introduce bill to curb yearly Census survey

Reps. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) and Ted Poe (R-Texas) have introduced legislation that would curtail the extent of information collected by the U.S. Census Bureau in a yearly survey.

why is that crazy?...maybe I'm missing your point

335 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:21:47pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

Crazy Republicans tackle the serious issues...
Bachmann, Poe introduce bill to curb yearly Census survey

Reps. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) and Ted Poe (R-Texas) have introduced legislation that would curtail the extent of information collected by the U.S. Census Bureau in a yearly survey.

They realize the enumeration is mandated by the Constitution, right?

336 freetoken  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:22:18pm

re: #307 sattv4u2

eh ,, as an old guy, I can tell you the past was no picnic either!

Well, yes, but I meant philosophically, as in building a working world-view for the 21st century that the people of this country will accept.

By that I mean replacing both the overtly religious religion (say, the James Dobson - Hal Lindsey axis), and the related national religion (unlimited consumerism, etc.)

The unequaled successes of the United States from the late 19th to the late 20th century probably set a bar that is unreasonably high. People expect success and riches, always, regardless of anything else.

Japan is mentioned in this thread, and it is important for us to remember that much of their strengths have come from their perseverance even in light of failure. Having experienced their limitations, they turned towards perfecting that which are their strengths.

The Sensuous Curmudgeon is fighting the good battle of the Enlightenment and science against those who don't want to accept the findings about the universe that have been made over the last couple of centuries. This is an insight into our limitations as a culture - that many people in the US have had the luxury to choose not to accept what science has discovered, since our wealth has been so great there were no negative (significant) consequences in rejecting facts.

The future will not be like that, I believe.

337 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:22:37pm

re: #325 albusteve

not for me...I've had it...I've worked my tail off my whole adult life...paid for my own education, provided jobs for others, provided housing for others...put my kids through school, given away alot of money...and the IRS has hounded my every step of the way...the tables are turned now...so be it

albusteve ... me too Steve ... I have a five year plan ... if G-d lets me live that long ... doing my new biz things and passing it off to my son ... after that I am on permanent vacation ...

338 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:22:52pm

re: #335 Sharmuta

They realize the enumeration is mandated by the Constitution, right?

Yeah, but they want to restrict it to just the number of people in the residence. No other information.

339 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:23:05pm

re: #328 IslandLibertarian

join me in celebrating his new nic'

you get the upding for creativity, but i will pass on the celebrating... we are going to hell in a handbasket, or a diaper pail in this case.

340 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:23:07pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

re: #334 albusteve

why is that crazy?...maybe I'm missing your point

The questionairre used to be limited to number and ages of people that live in a dwelling. NOW they are asking yearly income,,, how much is spent on "x",,, registered vehicles,,, registered firearms ,,,

341 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:23:37pm

IMHO you will never get these creationists out of the GOP, and it is time for a new party.

342 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:23:42pm

re: #331 sattv4u2


Crazy Republicans tackle the serious issues...

It actually IS a serious issue. The extent of information they have added to the current census questions are intrusive at best, criminal at worst

Acorn iz gonna git u!

343 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:24:02pm

re: #335 Sharmuta

They realize the enumeration is mandated by the Constitution, right?

They are asking for WAY more than the number of people living in a dwelling as they were in census past

344 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:24:07pm

re: #283 buzzsawmonkey
Yes, you're right. I was thinking of the idolatry part rather than the sex. I still don't quite understand why Moses pulled back? As well as why King David was later allowed to consort with Bathsheba. My thrill in reading Pinchas this past weekend was in finally seeing it as a story about "where there be not a man, be thou a man" and that the moniker nevergiveup now takes on a new depth for me.

Obviously, I know little on this area. But this I yearn to learn. I had the typical Jewish American bar mitzvah - minus the party at Disney Land. I did not return to Hebrew school the day after my bar mitzvah (my portion was acharei mot - kedoshim). I am now trying to teach myself, for as an adult I see some of the richness in Torah that your posting is about. Not meaning to hijack the lgf ... I'll stop kvelling.

345 Lincolntf  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:24:21pm

I took a break from the computer to watch the (very cool) intro show for the Home Run Derby (ESPN if anyone cares) and as I came back and the page loaded I saw that "Malcolm in the Middle" was being praised. Love that show.
Erik Per Sullivan's Dad works with my buddy (in MA), but even if he didn't that show would be in my Top Ten.

346 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:24:31pm

re: #335 Sharmuta

They realize the enumeration is mandated by the Constitution, right?

of course they do and the bill will go nowhere...they are trying to make a point against nosey feds

347 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:25:07pm

re: #342 Killgore Trout

Acorn iz gonna git u!

If you don't mind telling them all they want to know ,,, go for it!

I suggest you get a hold of a current questionarre and compare it to one from 10-20-30 years ago

348 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:25:25pm

re: #341 Ojoe

IMHO you will never get these creationists out of the GOP, and it is time for a new party.

Ojoe ... Whigs Baby! ...

349 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:25:33pm

Youtube Video

/most Christians have a long way to fall yet

350 Racer X  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:25:37pm

re: #334 albusteve

why is that crazy?...maybe I'm missing your point

Its crazy because The current administration's economic policies are driving the country deeper into a recession. Their foreign policies are an embarrassment of failure. Their social policies will never be feasible due to a lack of funding (due to the failed economic policies).

Yet Republicans are going after the census? Jeez man, pick your battles.

351 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:26:19pm

re: #346 albusteve

Exactly. It's a waste of time and energy. We have a serious economic crisis and we're fighting wars. They should find something more constructive to do with themselves.

352 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:26:41pm

re: #342 Killgore Trout

Acorn iz gonna git u!

no...ACORN is gonna get YOU because you will give yourself up to them

353 Lincolntf  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:26:46pm

Anyone just see that shot by Nelson Cruz?
I picked him up off of waivers in my Fantasy league two months ago and it was one of my best "steals" ever.

354 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:27:15pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

Exactly. It's a waste of time and energy. We have a serious economic crisis and we're fighting wars. They should find something more constructive to do with themselves.

Let's bash the Tea Parties!

355 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:27:20pm

OT: I'm sure Donohue will think otherwise

Vatican lauds good/evil theme in Harry Potter film

Harry's the Man.

356 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:27:21pm

re: #348 JacksonTn

I joined.

Boy you should see how bad the reputation of the "R" party is in Northern California where I live, & the religious crazies are a big part of that.

357 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:27:30pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

Exactly. It's a waste of time and energy. We have a serious economic crisis and we're fighting wars. They should find something more constructive to do with themselves.

This, from the same people that wants the gov't to be smaller, less intrusive and more local as opposed to national control!

358 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:27:32pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

Exactly. It's a waste of time and energy. We have a serious economic crisis and we're fighting wars. They should find something more constructive to do with themselves.

KT .. you said you thought Obama was doing an okay job ... or at least the best he could do ... I don't believe the same as you ...

359 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:27:48pm

re: #353 Lincolntf

Anyone just see that shot by Nelson Cruz?
I picked him up off of waivers in my Fantasy league two months ago and it was one of my best "steals" ever.

That was INsane!

360 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:27:59pm

re: #350 Racer X

Its crazy because The current administration's economic policies are driving the country deeper into a recession. Their foreign policies are an embarrassment of failure. Their social policies will never be feasible due to a lack of funding (due to the failed economic policies).

Yet Republicans are going after the census? Jeez man, pick your battles.

turning out the feds is a constant battle...how do you think we got into our current situation?

361 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:28:36pm
362 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:28:41pm

re: #340 sattv4u2

re: #334 albusteve


The questionairre used to be limited to number and ages of people that live in a dwelling. NOW they are asking yearly income,,, how much is spent on "x",,, registered vehicles,,, registered firearms ,,,

Well freakin-A! I guess I don't have to worry about being prosecuted for census evasion after all. I am just going to plead the 5th on any question I don't like.

363 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:28:56pm

re: #356 Ojoe

I joined.

Boy you should see how bad the reputation of the "R" party is in Northern California where I live, & the religious crazies are a big part of that.

Ojoe ... you are right but the republicans will probably never take CA again in my lifetime ... but stranger things have happened ..

364 albusteve  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:29:12pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

Exactly. It's a waste of time and energy. We have a serious economic crisis and we're fighting wars. They should find something more constructive to do with themselves.

like what?...oppose BOs demonic spending and infantile foreign relations?...do you have any suggestions?

365 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:29:13pm

re: #318 JacksonTn

BR ... exactly ... can you believe he made his claim to fame wearing diapers? ... head swirls ...

Here's hoping that he's wearing them for real--real soon///

I am sure that this clod will put his foot in it sooner rather than later. It's just a matter of time.

366 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:29:16pm

For people who have read this far: Modern Whig Party, a viable alternative!


Modern Whig Party - a party for the rest of us.

367 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:29:33pm

re: #335 Sharmuta

They realize the enumeration is mandated by the Constitution, right?

Probably, but there is nothing wrong with discussing what the questions are and what they are not going to be. Isn't that why we vote for these politicians, so they can go to work.

Or would you like to pay them to do nothing?

368 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:29:43pm

re: #195 JacksonTn

Reine ... Hey! ... I synced my iPhone with my iTunes on my mac today ... amazing ...

I mentioned last night that you guys with the kindles should do a book club ... I don't have one ... yet ...

Jax'n, you still here?
Put that kindle on your list!

369 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:30:11pm

re: #363 JacksonTn

Reagan was from California.

370 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:30:17pm

COMPLETE CENSUS QUESTIONS FROM 1900

House number and street name for city dwellers.

Name and sex of every person in the household.

Relationship of each person to the head of household.

Color or race of each person.

Month and year of birth of each person and their age on their last birthday.

Is the person single, married, widowed or divorced.

How long has the person been married.

How many children born to females and how many are still living.

Place of birth of each person.

Mother's place of birth.

Father's place of birth.

If an immigrant, the year of immigration to the United States.

How long an immigrant has been in the United States.

Is the person naturalized?

Profession, occupation or trade of each person over age 10.

Number of months a person was unemployed in the year.

Did the person attend school within the year.

Can the person read and write.

Can the person speak English.

Does the family own or rent the home, is it mortgaged, is it a farm or a house.

371 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:30:36pm
372 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:30:43pm

re: #369 Ojoe

By way of Illinois, no less.

373 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:31:10pm

re: #372 calcajun

AND from Hollywood!

374 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:31:11pm

re: #365 calcajun

Here's hoping that he's wearing them for real--real soon///

I am sure that this clod will put his foot in it sooner rather than later. It's just a matter of time.

Cal .. the only hope I ever have is if people like him get to see a real Intel Briefing ... just maybe that may change there minds at least on some issues ... on the domestic economic issues I don't think they will ever change their minds until it hits their wallets ...

375 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:31:15pm

re: #367 Walter L. Newton

Probably, but there is nothing wrong with discussing what the questions are and what they are not going to be. Isn't that why we vote for these politicians, so they can go to work.

Or would you like to pay them to do nothing?

think about that for a second...

376 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:31:21pm

BBL

377 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:31:34pm

re: #339 brookly red

I'm thinking "Senator Al Fraud" tee-shirts, bumper stickers, posters...and if you can't celebrate with me, at least use the nic when referring to the new "simple servant".

378 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:32:26pm

re: #374 JacksonTn

He won't believe the info he's given in such a briefing as he firmly believes that that persons giving the briefing have manipulated the data --as that's what he would do.

379 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:33:03pm

re: #368 reine.de.tout

Jax'n, you still here?
Put that kindle on your list!

Reine ... you are cutting way into my budget girl ... but I am thinking about it ...

380 brookly red  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:34:43pm

re: #377 IslandLibertarian

I'm thinking "Senator Al Fraud" tee-shirts, bumper stickers, posters...and if you can't celebrate with me, at least use the nic when referring to the new "simple servant".

well you better include his picture cause al fraud could be gore or sharpton too.

381 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:36:13pm
382 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:37:41pm

re: #380 brookly red

well you better include his picture

/okay, U.S. Senator, have we no dignity anymore?

383 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:38:09pm

re: #341 Ojoe

IMHO you will never get these creationists out of the GOP, and it is time for a new party.

No! Let them be Republicans, but let them and the party know that their religious agenda is not the party platform. The last thing we need is the Republican Party to implode. You think your "new" party would stand a chance against the Democratic Liberal machine?
What is your personal involvement in support of your favorite politicians?
Have you ever done anything besides vote?
This is the time to get off our asses from in front of the echo chamber and get to work taking back the party and the country.
Third parties are losers. Fact plain and simple. Check the stats...

384 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:40:35pm

re: #380 brookly red

You can count on a picture. It will be like a cross between the Che pic and a Andy Warhol graphic.

385 Alan Furman  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:44:56pm

re: #258 Sharmuta

[...] Freedom mean making choices for yourself that other people don't like. As long as you're not violating the rights of others- I really don't give a damn what people are doing.

The word for this point of view is libertarianism.

386 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:52:19pm

re: #385 Alan Furman

The word for this point of view is libertarianism.

Yes- and there was a strong current of this sort of thinking in Goldwater conservatism. Now "conservatism" has been warped from its original Goldwater meaning so that people think it's something quite other than what it was intended to be.

387 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:57:27pm

re: #383 IslandLibertarian

The Republican party started out as a third party.

It looks to me like it has outlived its usefulness.

Much of true conservative values are common sense & I can get the Northern Californians where I live to agree with them in conservation, but they will never never vote Republican.

Much of their antipathy to the Republicans is well founded; the Republicans have sold out to big business, and the Republicans do harbor religious crazies who would like to intrude on other people's freedoms.

If I point out the Democratic party's tainted past, for instance the Copperhead episode in the Civil War, and its voting on party lines against the 13th Amendment (read Team of Rivals) they become disenchanted with the Democrats too.

When things are at an impasse it is time for a new party. I think we are there.

388 shaker  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 5:59:21pm

One-million dollars each, per episode.

389 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:03:34pm

re: #377 IslandLibertarian

I'm thinking "Senator Al Fraud" tee-shirts, bumper stickers, posters...and if you can't celebrate with me, at least use the nic when referring to the new "simple servant".

Why "Fraud," IL? I don't like the guy either, but even his opponent never charged him with fraud. Do you have a link?

Maybe I'm just not into nicknames. Feels too much grammar school.

390 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:09:14pm

re: #383 IslandLibertarian

If Hugo Black can go from being a member of the Klan, to a US Senator to an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, than yes, it is possible that a politician with Creationist associations can be electable. Charles might not agree, but it is possible in my estimation. It might not be probable for the next few cycles, but stranger thing have happened. It all depends on the astuteness of the politician.

391 EaterOfFood  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:09:30pm

re: #377 IslandLibertarian

I'm thinking "Senator Al Fraud" tee-shirts, bumper stickers, posters...and if you can't celebrate with me, at least use the nic when referring to the new "simple servant".

I can't even look at the man. He is monstrously ugly on the outside and the inside.

392 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:09:51pm

re: #386 Sharmuta

Yes- and there was a strong current of this sort of thinking in Goldwater conservatism. Now "conservatism" has been warped from its original Goldwater meaning so that people think it's something quite other than what it was intended to be.

It's even more shocking than that, Sharm. By many accounts, Goldwater was technically a libertarian socialist. Any number of his quotes would get him drummed out of the GOP today, before quitting time.

I'll now await incoming brickbats and denials... :)

393 Pigtown Water Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:12:15pm

re: #379 JacksonTn

You won't be sorry about getting a Kindle.

394 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:13:32pm

re: #256 buzzsawmonkey

And who really thinks pederasty should be legal? The NAMBLA freaks and that is about it.

395 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:13:47pm

I've never seen an episode of Friends either, Charles.

396 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:14:46pm

re: #390 calcajun

If Hugo Black can go from being a member of the Klan, to a US Senator to an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, than yes, it is possible that a politician with Creationist associations can be electable. Charles might not agree, but it is possible in my estimation. It might not be probable for the next few cycles, but stranger thing have happened. It all depends on the astuteness of the politician.

You may be right, but I see at least one difference. People like Black and Byrd only went on to successful careers after they disavowed and condemned the Klan and basically said they were idiots to have ever gotten involved.

I don't know of a single public-figure Creationist who has "seen the light" and renounced Creationism. Do you?

397 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:19:20pm
398 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:20:14pm

re: #383 IslandLibertarian

I'd question your use of "Democratic Liberal Machine." The Democratic Party is a pretty fragile coalition: blacks, Hispanics, Jews, gays, union people, people in the sciences and academia. Some of these groups don't have a lot in common with the others or are even at odds, i.e., blacks and gays. "Machines" were a city phenomenon of the old days when favors were handed out for votes - although this also happened in certain areas in the south. Not that the remnants of those machines aren't still around, but today it doesn't matter because of other reasons, namely, city people are overwhelmingly Democratic.

399 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:22:52pm

re: #392 ShanghaiEd

It's even more shocking than that, Sharm. By many accounts, Goldwater was technically a libertarian socialist. Any number of his quotes would get him drummed out of the GOP today, before quitting time.

I'll now await incoming brickbats and denials... :)

Well I'm certainly not one to ding you down. Goldwater today would absolutely be called a RINO and shunned by many in the GOP. I wouldn't go so far as to call him a socialist, though. The Conscience of a Conservative certainly discusses the need for fiscal restraint on the part of the Federal government. But he wasn't such an extreme libertarian as to think the federal government has no role.

The Constitution says they do have power, and lists/restricts that power. It is incumbent on the People to maintain that balance between themselves and government through elections. We could still correct these things- if we had leaders and a party that understood these fundamentals, but we don't at this point. It's a big mess, and I'm not so sure how much I care if the house burns down anymore.

400 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:23:17pm

re: #398 Flyers1974

I'd question your use of "Democratic Liberal Machine." The Democratic Party is a pretty fragile coalition: blacks, Hispanics, Jews, gays, union people, people in the sciences and academia. Some of these groups don't have a lot in common with the others or are even at odds, i.e., blacks and gays. "Machines" were a city phenomenon of the old days when favors were handed out for votes - although this also happened in certain areas in the south. Not that the remnants of those machines aren't still around, but today it doesn't matter because of other reasons, namely, city people are overwhelmingly Democratic.

Flyers ... you need to get out from under the blanket ... see it for what it really is ... if you dare ... I for a fucking fact saw the buses bringing homeless people to the polls in my way southern redneck (or what "they" say is a redneck area) ... don't friggin try to push that crap ...

401 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:25:28pm

re: #396 ShanghaiEd

You can't possibly be comparing Creationism to the violent racism of the Ku Klux Klan. That comparison just won't stand up, and is vaugely offensive to religious believers.

402 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:26:51pm

re: #396 ShanghaiEd

You may be right, but I see at least one difference. People like Black and Byrd only went on to successful careers after they disavowed and condemned the Klan and basically said they were idiots to have ever gotten involved.

I don't know of a single public-figure Creationist who has "seen the light" and renounced Creationism. Do you?

And Black was appointed by FDR in the 1930's I believe. I'd also guess that not every state would be as tolerant in this regard as West Virginia.

403 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:28:14pm
404 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:31:34pm

re: #400 JacksonTn

Flyers ... you need to get out from under the blanket ... see it for what it really is ... if you dare ... I for a fucking fact saw the buses bringing homeless people to the polls in my way southern redneck (or what "they" say is a redneck area) ... don't friggin try to push that crap ...

Is there more to the story than homeless people on buses, i.e., how do you know they were bought by the Democrats and not Republicans? What election was this?

405 Alan Furman  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:31:34pm

re: #386 Sharmuta

Yes- and there was a strong current of this sort of thinking in Goldwater conservatism. Now "conservatism" has been warped from its original Goldwater meaning so that people think it's something quite other than what it was intended to be.

As far as I know, the right wing has stood for enforced puritanism, xenophobia, trade protection, censorship, hereditary dictatorship, and State religion going back well before Goldwater's day. Bill Buckley himself had to purge the movement of antisemites.

Left, Right, and moderate/centrist all uphold some freedoms and violate others. Therefore political discussions based solely on these terms are meaningless as far as freedom--the purpose of the American Revolution and Constitution--is concerned. It is possible to be "conservative" in one's personal outlook and behavior while still respecting individual liberty. Barry Goldwater did so, but he was an exception among conservative politicians.

406 Alan Furman  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:34:45pm

re: #392 ShanghaiEd

It's even more shocking than that, Sharm. By many accounts, Goldwater was technically a libertarian socialist. Any number of his quotes would get him drummed out of the GOP today, before quitting time.

I'll now await incoming brickbats and denials... :)

But first, how about some quotes that demonstrate how he was any kind of "socialist?"

407 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:34:49pm

re: #404 Flyers1974

Is there more to the story than homeless people on buses, i.e., how do you know they were bought by the Democrats and not Republicans? What election was this?

Flyers .. it was the last presidential election ... I will find the link but I am not killing my buzz tonight ... it is the truth ... if you don't want to accept it I don't care ... I have much insight into the hispanic community in this area and I KNOW what crap they were pushing to them ... oh, and really do you think they were being brought in by republicans? ... haahaha ... you are a drooling fool ... sorry for the dissing but I cannot help it ...

408 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:35:04pm

re: #396 ShanghaiEd

Not yet. It may happen. Frankly, if the power of the Klan had not been broken, men like Black, Byrd, and Thurmond might not have ever disavowed the Klan. They may have done so out of conscience. They might have done so out of expediency. The same thing will happen when pro-Creationist politicians jump ship.

409 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:38:05pm

re: #405 Alan Furman

Each side respects certain types of "freedom" more than the other side (and depending what time period we are discussing.) Liberals interpret the Bill of Rights in favor of the individual with respect to search/seizure, privacy, procedural due process, etc... . Conservatives respect economic freedom more and second amendment rights more. At one time, liberals respected freedom of speech more, though that has probably changed lately.

410 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:39:36pm

re: #401 Iron Fist

No- we're not. The comparison is that the Klan, like Creationists with the GOP, had a stranglehold over a large segment of the Democrat Party in the from the 20's through the 60's. You did not advance in the party in certain parts of the country unless you were in the Klan or were their "boy". It was not until the Klan's power was broken up did you see politicians start to distance themselves from the Klan affiliation (some brave ones did it sooner). That's the point we're making.

411 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:39:55pm

re: #408 calcajun

Not yet. It may happen. Frankly, if the power of the Klan had not been broken, men like Black, Byrd, and Thurmond might not have ever disavowed the Klan. They may have done so out of conscience. They might have done so out of expediency. The same thing will happen when pro-Creationist politicians jump ship.

Cal ... I remember the Klan when I was a kid ... they use to pass out leaflets on the street corners on the Westbank ... they did it even in their robes ... not one person in my family or not one person that I knew thought they were anything but crazy ... holding on to something ... on Monday nights at a bar in Algiers they would come in and put their robes up while they played pool on their way to a meeting somewhere along the levee ...

It is something that is fact and history ... but it does not make me ashamed of being southern because the VAST majority of southerners do not associate with them and we totally resent the term racist being slung in our direction ...

We are a proud people and we are just like the rest of the country ... there were racists in the north and still are ... I am sick of it ... really sick of it...

412 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:40:47pm

re: #407 JacksonTn

Flyers .. it was the last presidential election ... I will find the link but I am not killing my buzz tonight ... it is the truth ... if you don't want to accept it I don't care ... I have much insight into the hispanic community in this area and I KNOW what crap they were pushing to them ... oh, and really do you think they were being brought in by republicans? ... haahaha ... you are a drooling fool ... sorry for the dissing but I cannot help it ...

I believe every word you say. So that's how Obama ended up winning Tennessee. I was wondering how that happened.

413 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:41:10pm

re: #396 ShanghaiEd

Yes--but they did it only after the Klan's power began to wane-- or they no longer needed to keep such bedfellows.

414 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:42:03pm

re: #412 Flyers1974

I believe every word you say. So that's how Obama ended up winning Tennessee. I was wondering how that happened.

flyers ... I know you are being sarcastic ... Obama did not take Tennessee ... I am proud to say ...

415 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:43:36pm

re: #401 Iron Fist

You can't possibly be comparing Creationism to the violent racism of the Ku Klux Klan. That comparison just won't stand up, and is vaugely offensive to religious believers.

I certainly didn't intend to equate the two, Iron Fist. Calcajun's post was strictly discussing electability, and I replied. That's the only aspect the two subjects possibly have in common. Sorry if I was unclear.

416 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:44:21pm

re: #411 JacksonTn

Me, too. But you might not remember just how strong they were in other parts of the South, especially in Alabama and Mississippi. You did not get anything done in certain counties without the blessing of the local Klan. Loonies, to be sure, but very powerful loonies.

My kids watched "In the Heat of the Night" recently and were really shocked when I told them that it was once that bad. Still is in some areas.

417 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:48:39pm

re: #395 Kosh's Shadow

Nor have I seen "Friends." But then, I have never owned a TV.

418 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:49:32pm

re: #408 calcajun

Not yet. It may happen. Frankly, if the power of the Klan had not been broken, men like Black, Byrd, and Thurmond might not have ever disavowed the Klan. They may have done so out of conscience. They might have done so out of expediency. The same thing will happen when pro-Creationist politicians jump ship.

Very true. I totally agree.

419 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:49:47pm

re: #417 Ojoe

You are blessed.

420 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:51:11pm

re: #419 calcajun

But I am no good at most trivia games, LOL.

421 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:51:14pm

re: #416 calcajun

Me, too. But you might not remember just how strong they were in other parts of the South, especially in Alabama and Mississippi. You did not get anything done in certain counties without the blessing of the local Klan. Loonies, to be sure, but very powerful loonies.

My kids watched "In the Heat of the Night" recently and were really shocked when I told them that it was once that bad. Still is in some areas.

Cal ... I am very aware of it ... I have family and friends in Mississippi from Picayune to Pascagoula to Waveland all around ... it was just what it was ... but things have changed ... and I just resent it when people keep pushing it ... it will never go away totally because that type of stupidity and ignorance does not ...

But I totally resent the crap that came from this last election ... my family was kicked to the curb ... because we did not endorse Obama ... for the decades of service and dedication to the democrats ... that was shit IMO ... my parents marched and contributed for generations .. but when it came to supporting Obama they said no ... not because he was black but because they saw his agenda as something they could not endorse ...

They said they did not need us now ... we got the message ...

422 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:52:44pm

re: #405 Alan Furman

I don't disagree- I could give a fig about the right-left dichotomy. That's not the sort of political spectrum I work with anymore. Since reading Thomas Sowell's classic, A Conflict of Visions, I have an entirely different spectrum based on people's preconceptions based on such things as of the rule of law, visions of justice, and visions of equality.

The dichotomy I see now covers both the right and the left dichotomy. A weak examples would moderates of both right and left vs extremists of both right and left. The left-right dichotomy fails here. It's an outdated spectrum from european politics, which is and always has been different from the American conceptions of government and politics.

This all comes from the era of both the French Revolution and the American Constitution. French philosophers never really understood the reasons why the Americans put such checks and balances into place. It seems quite obvious to us though. So the dichotomy I now work with could also be described as an American-European dichotomy. The Sowell book does a great job of explaining the underlying reasons for political disagreement, so for anyone serious in understanding why we see such divisions, the book is essential reading. I'll always recommend t to anyone.

And I agree that one can be personally conservative and yet be libertarian in outlook. To me- that's a mark of intellectual honesty and principles. I see no conflict in that. Where the conflict arises is when proper boundaries are pushed by either the government or the people. A fine line separates our rights and the government's rights. It needs to be well guarded. We've failed to do that, imo. But some would have us think the solution is to rip it all down. I think the house is still fine and needs repairs, not demolition. (And it needs to be guarded from wacky additions or landscaping too.)

423 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:53:05pm

re: #406 Alan Furman

But first, how about some quotes that demonstrate how he was any kind of "socialist?"

Alan: Would "social libertarian" be more accurate? I see the term used interchangeably with "libertarian socialist," but I don't think either equates to the stand-alone "socialist" with all the connotations it's taken on today.

Most of my reading about Goldwater has been in library books, not on the Web. I'll try to find some links to make sure I'm not misremembering, though.

424 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:55:35pm

re: #414 JacksonTn

flyers ... I know you are being sarcastic ... Obama did not take Tennessee ... I am proud to say ...

Did you call me a drooling fool? I admit, I always look forward to your posts. Anyway, witnessing voter fraud is in not the same as witnessing a political machine. Political machines were all-powerful and completely controlled cities and other areas, usually under a type of "boss." Political machines existed in the 1800's and I can't recall, into the 1940's. At any rate, I promise you, there is no Democratic political machine or any other machine in Tennessee, unless you want to change the definition of that word.

425 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:56:18pm

re: #406 Alan Furman

But first, how about some quotes that demonstrate how he was any kind of "socialist?"

Yeah- I'm not sure what Ed was going for there, unless "libertarian" is supposed to mean anarchy. I consider myself as havig a libertarian streak, but I certainly don't think the federal government has no authority to build roads or maintain an army, etc. If that's "socialism" to a right wing anarchist, then I guess it could work...

426 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:58:21pm

re: #423 ShanghaiEd

Have you read The Conscience of a Conservative? The man opposed the federal department of education because he thought it was wrong for Washington to be skimming education dollars from the states just to pass it back to the states. He thought it was a state issue. Hardly a socialist.

427 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 6:58:51pm

re: #424 Flyers1974

Did you call me a drooling fool? I admit, I always look forward to your posts. Anyway, witnessing voter fraud is in not the same as witnessing a political machine. Political machines were all-powerful and completely controlled cities and other areas, usually under a type of "boss." Political machines existed in the 1800's and I can't recall, into the 1940's. At any rate, I promise you, there is no Democratic political machine or any other machine in Tennessee, unless you want to change the definition of that word.

Flyer ... so would you consider ACORN and their organizing group a political machine? .. I would ... I remember then from way back on Elysian Fields in New Orleans ... do you think they came from nowhere during this last election ... you need to do some research ... they did not just pop up ...

428 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:04:57pm

re: #422 Sharmuta

I don't disagree- I could give a fig about the right-left dichotomy. That's not the sort of political spectrum I work with anymore. Since reading Thomas Sowell's classic, A Conflict of Visions, I have an entirely different spectrum based on people's preconceptions based on such things as of the rule of law, visions of justice, and visions of equality.

The dichotomy I see now covers both the right and the left dichotomy. A weak examples would moderates of both right and left vs extremists of both right and left. The left-right dichotomy fails here. It's an outdated spectrum from european politics, which is and always has been different from the American conceptions of government and politics.

This all comes from the era of both the French Revolution and the American Constitution. French philosophers never really understood the reasons why the Americans put such checks and balances into place. It seems quite obvious to us though. So the dichotomy I now work with could also be described as an American-European dichotomy. The Sowell book does a great job of explaining the underlying reasons for political disagreement, so for anyone serious in understanding why we see such divisions, the book is essential reading. I'll always recommend t to anyone.

And I agree that one can be personally conservative and yet be libertarian in outlook. To me- that's a mark of intellectual honesty and principles. I see no conflict in that. Where the conflict arises is when proper boundaries are pushed by either the government or the people. A fine line separates our rights and the government's rights. It needs to be well guarded. We've failed to do that, imo. But some would have us think the solution is to rip it all down. I think the house is still fine and needs repairs, not demolition. (And it needs to be guarded from wacky additions or landscaping too.)

Sharm: I've been intrigued by your comments on the Sowell book and have tried at least twice to read it without success. I can tell he's getting at something very important, but it may just be over my head, academically. I know the fault is mine, since it's an influential and well-regarded book.

Could you recommend any sort of Conflict of Visions for Dummies...shorter pieces by Sowell or others that might help me catch on?

429 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:06:50pm

re: #427 JacksonTn

They have been a front for a very, very long time. None dare call it out for fear of being branded a racist.

I admit -- I am a racist. I am a human racist. Any programs which promotes us upright, opposable thumb-types is fine by me. It's not my fault that the other little furry bastards failed to evolve (there--I said it! It's so freeing!) at the same rate as us.///

430 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:11:32pm

re: #428 ShanghaiEd

Sharm: I've been intrigued by your comments on the Sowell book and have tried at least twice to read it without success. I can tell he's getting at something very important, but it may just be over my head, academically. I know the fault is mine, since it's an influential and well-regarded book.

Could you recommend any sort of Conflict of Visions for Dummies...shorter pieces by Sowell or others that might help me catch on?

Well, Ed. My interest in the book stemmed from 'Syrah' sharing an interview with Sowell on the book. I think he gives a good idea of what he means by the two visions, so I was a bit prepared for what I was about to read, and already had an idea for what he was explaining.

In this comment from our first book chat, 'Syrah' again shares the video that started it all- I hope it helps. :)

431 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:13:38pm

re: #429 calcajun

They have been a front for a very, very long time. None dare call it out for fear of being branded a racist.

I admit -- I am a racist. I am a human racist. Any programs which promotes us upright, opposable thumb-types is fine by me. It's not my fault that the other little furry bastards failed to evolve (there--I said it! It's so freeing!) at the same rate as us.///

Cal... I know ... I had a girlfriend in the 70s that was married to a guy that was way involved with them on Elysian Fields ... she made it out like they were a "housing advocate group" ... I was still a very deep yellow dog then did not even look at it for what it really was ... I didn't question her because ... well, you just toe the party line ...

It was only until this last election that I took a real good look at it ... and then I remembered so much ... and saw it for the first time through a different lens ... I don't know ... sometimes reality just hits you right upside the head ...

Community organizers are good for some things ... but in this case ... it is just a front for a totally socialist agenda and worse than that is was for personal gains ... I hate it ...

432 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:16:52pm

re: #426 Sharmuta

Have you read The Conscience of a Conservative? The man opposed the federal department of education because he thought it was wrong for Washington to be skimming education dollars from the states just to pass it back to the states. He thought it was a state issue. Hardly a socialist.

Yep. Conscience of a Conservative and Before the Stormre: #430 Sharmuta

Well, Ed. My interest in the book stemmed from 'Syrah' sharing an interview with Sowell on the book. I think he gives a good idea of what he means by the two visions, so I was a bit prepared for what I was about to read, and already had an idea for what he was explaining.

In this comment from our first book chat, 'Syrah' again shares the video that started it all- I hope it helps. :)

are two that come immediately to mind. I know the latter is considered controversial in some circles.

Tell you what...let me temporarily rescind the "social" part of my comment until I can find better documentation, as I'm strictly working from a fading memory.

433 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:20:08pm

re: #430 Sharmuta

Aaargh. Sorry for those two hashed-up notes. Meant to say:

Yep. Conscience of a Conservative and Before the Storm are two I've read that come immediately to mind. I know the latter is considered controversial in some circles.

Tell you what...let me temporarily rescind the "social" part of my comment until I can find better documentation, as I'm strictly working from a fading memory.

AND...

Thanks for the video! I'm sure it'll be helpful.

434 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:23:55pm

re: #427 JacksonTn

Flyer ... so would you consider ACORN and their organizing group a political machine? .. I would ... I remember then from way back on Elysian Fields in New Orleans ... do you think they came from nowhere during this last election ... you need to do some research ... they did not just pop up ...

We are discussing two different types of entities. Acorn is not a political machine. They no longer exist, if we are talking about that term in the classic sense. Political machines were Tammany Hall in N.Y.C., and also unnamed ones in other big cities like Philadelphia back in the 1800's and 1900's. A machine was limited to one city and it controlled everything in the city. Those machines had no overall goal other than maintaing power. There was no ideology. That doesn't mean that ACORN is not a sleazy organization or that it doesn't engage in political fraud. It's just not a machine as that term is used in connection with politics.

435 calcajun  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:25:29pm

Gotta run-- got some chores to do before I lose daylight!.

Nite.

436 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:26:15pm

re: #433 ShanghaiEd

I would certainly like to read more about Goldwater, but Conscience spoke quite a bit to me. I also read a biography on him from Buckley, where their split on such matters as science can be seen, but I agreed with Goldwater on many points, and found him to be of sound reasoning. Goldwater understood the importance of science, of education, of fiscal restraint and the balance of power. These are reasons why I will describe myself as a Goldwater conservative. I think it's more descriptive than "rino".

437 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:26:43pm

re: #434 Flyers1974

We are discussing two different types of entities. Acorn is not a political machine. They no longer exist, if we are talking about that term in the classic sense. Political machines were Tammany Hall in N.Y.C., and also unnamed ones in other big cities like Philadelphia back in the 1800's and 1900's. A machine was limited to one city and it controlled everything in the city. Those machines had no overall goal other than maintaing power. There was no ideology. That doesn't mean that ACORN is not a sleazy organization or that it doesn't engage in political fraud. It's just not a machine as that term is used in connection with politics.

Flyer .. excuse me ... you are actually saying ACORN no longer exists ... in that case you are more of a drooler than I said ... the names may have changed but I assure you they are STILL very active ... and honestly ... I cannot believe you even posted that ... go back to sleep ... sorry to sound so extreme but I just cannot believe it ...

438 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:28:54pm

re: #430 Sharmuta

If you are still here, I have a question about something you said the other day regarding the GOP needing to first find its platform, and then worry about who will lead. I hope I haqven't paraphrased what you said incorrectly.

439 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:29:33pm

re: #438 Flyers1974

What's the question?

440 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:31:51pm

Also Ed- I put this quote in my profile as an example of the American constrained vision:

Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice without constraint.

-The Federalist Papers

441 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:32:08pm

re: #437 JacksonTn

Flyer .. excuse me ... you are actually saying ACORN no longer exists ... in that case you are more of a drooler than I said ... the names may have changed but I assure you they are STILL very active ... and honestly ... I cannot believe you even posted that ... go back to sleep ... sorry to sound so extreme but I just cannot believe it ...

No genius, I never said ACORN no longer exists, I said political machines no longer exist. Sober up, then reread the post.

442 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:33:49pm

Does that make me crazy ... I just didn't know enough ... dedicated to all the Obama supporters who WILL NOT take a good look at history ... what does history really tell us about ourselves and others ... crazy ... I think you are crazy ... head swirls ... still ... G-d do you not think I would have loved to have a democrat in office ... I will never let it go ... never ... the facts are out there ... you choose not to "see" them ...

I totally respect you ... you but there is a limit ...

Youtube Video

/oh yeah ... call me crazy ... but I STILL want to see the Khalidi tape ...LA Times what are you waiting for ...

443 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:38:21pm

re: #439 Sharmuta

Wouldn't it be the other way around? In other words, the GOP has a plan or a message if you will -Reagan type conservatism. There are many GOP politicians who run roughly on that platform. Isn't the problem that there are no messengers that can convey that message? For example, Gingrich has prior marital issues and is just not a guy who would appeal to a majority of voters.

444 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:39:22pm

re: #441 Flyers1974

No genius, I never said ACORN no longer exists, I said political machines no longer exist. Sober up, then reread the post.

Flyers ... sober up? .. hahaha ... I can tell you that I could be stone cold sober any day of week ... and still tell you that POLITICAL MACHINES STILL EXIST ...

I guess the SPIT I got on my face from an Obama Union Supporter would not be evidence enough for you ... well .. then nothing will be good enough for you ...

445 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:40:45pm

re: #443 Flyers1974

Said another way, Reagan wasn't unique because of his views. He was unique becasue of his views and because he appealed to a large majority of voters.

446 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:42:46pm

re: #436 Sharmuta

These are reasons why I will describe myself as a Goldwater conservative. I think it's more descriptive than "rino".

Oh, absolutely. At this point, the terms RINO and DINO are both like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. In the current overheated public sphere, they've been expanded to mean everything and nothing. RINO and DINO are about as meaningful as calling someone "pooh-pooh head."

447 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:45:00pm

re: #446 ShanghaiEd

Evening, SE.

448 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:47:14pm

re: #445 Flyers1974

Said another way, Reagan wasn't unique because of his views. He was unique becasue of his views and because he appealed to a large majority of voters.

Yes, and I'd only add one thing to that...Reagan was successful not only because of his views and talents, but because of the way they intersected with a moment in history. Because of that component, a mythology has grown up that sugar-coats the reality.

Bringing back the Reagan era by talking like Reagan is about as likely as bringing back the Summer of Love by wearing my old tie-dye. IMO. The country is vastly different now, and there's no going back.

449 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:47:51pm

re: #447 Flyers1974

Evening, SE.

Evening, flyers! Kind of an active night here, eh? :)

450 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:53:14pm

re: #443 Flyers1974

Wouldn't it be the other way around? In other words, the GOP has a plan or a message if you will -Reagan type conservatism. There are many GOP politicians who run roughly on that platform. Isn't the problem that there are no messengers that can convey that message? For example, Gingrich has prior marital issues and is just not a guy who would appeal to a majority of voters.

Yes- I recall I said we're looking to cast a part for a script we don't have.

At this point, we're not agreeing on the script. Is "conservatism" social in nature or fiscal? Why type of fiscal- ron paul or old styled Newt? Until we agree on what script we're using, thinking of the cast is moot. I think the right cast could present itself should we come to decide the pesky script part.

451 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:55:03pm

re: #450 Sharmuta

PIMF- should be "what type of fiscal".

452 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 7:59:34pm

This is the age of political theatre? Then we better have a script for our actors to work with if we're going to sell a show to the public. Bad shows don't get an audience.

453 JPL17  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:00:43pm
In a related vein, I might be the only person in America who never saw a single episode of “Friends...”

Sorry to be so late to this party, but now that I'm here, I have to ask..."Friends"...wasn't that that silly sitcom about a bunch of wacky Quakers??? You know, somehow I missed that one.

454 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:00:58pm

re: #448 ShanghaiEd

I guess what I'm saying is, look at the GOP Presidential candidates since Reagan: Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain. Not to mention the also-rans. They were all mediocre messengers (not to mention that they were all less conservative than Reagan.) When they were elected, it was due in no small part to horrible Democratic candidates. Given that conservatives are conservative, and that they are not going to become less so, isn't the problem (a) terrible candidates and (b) candidates that don't excite the Republicans becasue they don't behave in as conservative manner as Reagan?

455 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:05:21pm

re: #450 Sharmuta

Yes- I recall I said we're looking to cast a part for a script we don't have.

At this point, we're not agreeing on the script. Is "conservatism" social in nature or fiscal? Why type of fiscal- ron paul or old styled Newt? Until we agree on what script we're using, thinking of the cast is moot. I think the right cast could present itself should we come to decide the pesky script part.

Now I think I understand. I probably assumed when you wrote that, that you would have seen the Reagan script as ideal. And to simplify things if I may, Goldwater was Reagan minus the social conservatism.

456 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:07:18pm

re: #455 Flyers1974

Now I think I understand. I probably assumed when you wrote that, that you would have seen the Reagan script as ideal. And to simplify things if I may, Goldwater was Reagan minus the social conservatism.

I agree. Goldwater wasn't quite so willing to work with the religious right as Reagan was. It worked for Reagan, but "Goldwater conservatism" is what has paid the price, imo.

457 eclectic infidel  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:07:20pm

Noah’s Ark Stupidity Society.

Brilliant description for the creationist faction of the GOP.

I'm going to have to share this one with friends.

458 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:17:05pm

re: #456 Sharmuta

If I'm not mistaken, Goldwater supported gays in thee military before it became a widely debated issue.

459 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:17:28pm

re: #454 Flyers1974

I guess what I'm saying is, look at the GOP Presidential candidates since Reagan: Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain. Not to mention the also-rans. They were all mediocre messengers (not to mention that they were all less conservative than Reagan.) When they were elected, it was due in no small part to horrible Democratic candidates. Given that conservatives are conservative, and that they are not going to become less so, isn't the problem (a) terrible candidates and (b) candidates that don't excite the Republicans becasue they don't behave in as conservative manner as Reagan?

I see what you're saying. Yeah, that's definitely a factor, I think.

460 Salamantis  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:18:15pm

I wanna ticket to the play about the socially libertarian and fiscally conservative party with a robust constitutional democracy protecting, defending, preserving, and spreading foreign policy agenda.

461 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:18:25pm

re: #455 Flyers1974

Additionally- I think Reagan was the right man with the right script at the right time. I don't think it's impossible to achieve that success again- just that the script might be different. Folks keep looking for the next Reagan instead of looking for the next right set of combinations. I personally think the time is now for fiscal conservatism, a sane fiscal script and a social moderate but fiscal/security hawk to deliver it. It could be Romney, or maybe someone else will try this, we'll see. But putting the cart before the horse will always fail.

462 Izzy Dunne  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:22:31pm

re: #70 JacksonTn

... jingles use to be good ... now they are not ...

I can still hum the jingle from a 1966 commercial:
Ex-lax - cleans like a white tornado...

463 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:23:47pm

re: #256 buzzsawmonkey

So how is it that Leviticus 18 12 (Translated as "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.") is misinterpreted by the many a Christian fundamentalist as God's prohibition of homosexuality?

Strictly speaking, the prohibitions against homosexual acts in Leviticus are couched in the language--and in the context--of a prohibition against idolatrous worship

The rabbis extended these prohibitions to all homosexual acts,

There's a somewhat different interpretation of Leviticus 18:12 that I've read in other Jewish sources -- namely, that it has not so much to do with temple prostitution, but rather should be read as a specific prohibition of male/male anal sex. In fact, that's the entire point of the "as with womankind" qualifier; it means that a man must not sexually penetrate another man "down there" in imitation of heterosexual intercourse.

Of course, the rabbis also banned other types of male homosexual acts, and lesbianism in general -- at least they were banned for Jews, though merely frowned on for Gentiles. (Supposedly, one eminent rabbi suggested that lesbian acts by a Gentile woman were similar, in heaven's eyes, to a divorce among Jews: not a terrible transgression, but nothing to celebrate either.)

But even if Lev. 18:12 was really about male/male buttseckx, buzzsawmonkey's commentary on homosexual orgies as a pagan religious custom is still relevant -- for in making a more general case against homosexuality, and asserting that male/male fellatio or mutual masturbation was a sin for Jewish men, the rabbis did NOT rely on the argument that "it could tempt them to try the much more serious sin of anal sex," thereby leading to a violation of Lev. 18:12. (See also "near occasions of sin" among Catholic theologians, and the joke that Baptists don't have sex standing up because it might lead to dancing.)

Rather, the argument against non-anal forms of male homosex, and against lesbian sex of all kinds, was that such acts were too close to pagan customs, as buzzsawmonkey has already explained.

To put it more jocularly, buttseckx between (Jewish) men was too gay, but blowjobs or handjobs between men would be merely too goy.

464 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:28:51pm

Disclaimer to #463: I was first introduced to this line of argument by the writings of Bill Weintraub -- a secular Jew and veteran gay activist who is largely responsible for coining the term frot. Obviously, Weintraub's position that male/male sex can be healthy, normal, and "valid" as long as there's no anal shenanigans involved would give him a motive to possibly misrepresent the traditional rabbinical understanding of Lev. 18:12, which is why I bring up this "disclaimer." On the other hand, I've subsequently heard this same argument from other Jews -- notably, it's brought up in Trembling Before G-d, the documentary film about Orthodox Jews who happen to be homosexual. (Or are they homosexuals who happen to be Orthodox Jews?)

465 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:30:06pm

re: #461 Sharmuta

Additionally- I think Reagan was the right man with the right script at the right time. I don't think it's impossible to achieve that success again- just that the script might be different. Folks keep looking for the next Reagan instead of looking for the next right set of combinations. I personally think the time is now for fiscal conservatism, a sane fiscal script and a social moderate but fiscal/security hawk to deliver it. It could be Romney, or maybe someone else will try this, we'll see. But putting the cart before the horse will always fail.

I think it is impossible as well - you can't keep banking on finding the next once-every-half-century candidate. I think my point was the candidates since Reagan were very mediocre. As far as fiscal conservatism, I think there are many non-Republicans who have no problem with this and indeed would support this. No doubt, there are Democratic constituencies were social programs are important. And pork is not unique to either party. Maybe the next question is, what's fiscally conservative? What do you cut, what do you get rid of?

466 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:32:53pm

re: #465 Flyers1974

No- I said I do not think it's impossible. But again- it all comes down to the ideology- a solid foundation upon which to build a platform, then a candidate to articulate that platform. I don't see this right now in the GOP. I see talk about the cast, but no one is mentioning the crumbling foundation.

467 hanoch  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:33:52pm

What basis is there to suggest the "raving socialist" beat McCain because McCain was an "anti-science theocrat"? This is obvious nonsense. This is nothing more than the "rant" of a bigot who simply cannot tolerate religious individuals within the GOP.

468 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:37:17pm

re: #466 Sharmuta

No- I said I do not think it's impossible. But again- it all comes down to the ideology- a solid foundation upon which to build a platform, then a candidate to articulate that platform. I don't see this right now in the GOP. I see talk about the cast, but no one is mentioning the crumbling foundation.

My bad, misread your prior on that point. I am curious about the fiscal side. I think many voters, even politically sophisticated voters, blow off the entire fiscal side of things because of the belief that essentially, no matter who is elected, your still going to have the same programs, the same pork, etc... . Not saying this is in fact true, but I think it is a very widely held belief.

469 JPL17  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:41:33pm

re: #462 Izzy Dunne

I can still hum the jingle from a 1966 commercial:
Ex-lax - cleans like a white tornado...

I don't remember the year...but it had to be the very early '60's...when Carling Black Label Beer had this wonderful prose poem I think I still remember every word of:

Time
The maker of beer
Is also the great destroyer.
Packed away in warehouses,
Shipped from city to city,
Even a great beer like ours
Would slowly, surely lose the taste
That made it great.
That is why we brew Black Label
In eight great breweries
Around the country.
We want our beer to be
The freshest beer you can buy.

470 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:59:52pm

re: #468 Flyers1974

My bad, misread your prior on that point. I am curious about the fiscal side. I think many voters, even politically sophisticated voters, blow off the entire fiscal side of things because of the belief that essentially, no matter who is elected, your still going to have the same programs, the same pork, etc... . Not saying this is in fact true, but I think it is a very widely held belief.

And that's quite true- because people in the GOP have already shown over and over again that they will ignore the concerns of the fiscally minded electorate. Then is becomes a self-destructive circle where fisc-cons leave the party and create more room for more soc-cons, and more fics-cons leave. And so on. Instead- we need to hold their feet to the fire. We can't expect this problem to self -correct by itself, it takes involvement.

471 Flyers1974  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:11:33pm

re: #470 Sharmuta

If nothing else, they need to communicate to these people (people not Republicans but fiscally conservative) their vision of what the US will look like if taxes are not symbolically reduced but rather subtantially reduced. As well as spending. What are the consequences in other words, good and bad? Not that I'd expect a political party or elected officials to be that honest, but advocates for fiscal conservatism could be discuss these issues in an honest manner.

472 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:46:18pm
In a related vein, I might be the only person in America who never saw a single episode of “Friends,” but here’s a classic montage of evolution-related segments from the show:

You aren't the only one who's never seen a single episode, Charles.

473 Summer  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:15:31am

Ok...

I used to watch Friends all the time. Maybe it's a generational thing? =)

Also, Seinfeld rocks and I have every episode. =)

BTW, I haven't watched tv in like 6 years or whatever.

474 The Curmudgeon  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:37:37pm

I'm way late to the thread, which is about an article at my blog, but registration was closed for a while. I guess I missed all the action. Anyway, I am among you at last.

475 Charles  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 8:09:43pm

re: #474 The Curmudgeon

I'm way late to the thread, which is about an article at my blog, but registration was closed for a while. I guess I missed all the action. Anyway, I am among you at last.

Welcome to the asylum.

476 thinker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:41:05am

Never seen an episode. I used to say, "Friends don't let friends watch Friends."


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