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Totten to Spencer: We Are Not at War with Nouri Al-Maliki

Middle East | Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:46:18 pm PDT

Michael J. Totten calls out Robert Spencer for a particularly uninformed comment about Iraq: We Are Not at War with Nouri al-Maliki.

Robert Spencer, founder and lead writer for Jihad Watch, has a bit of trouble telling the difference between friend and foe in Iraq and still thinks, despite everything, that the United States is losing the war.

Instead of referring to me by name, he sarcastically dismisses me as a “learned analyst,” as he does with President Barack Obama and his advisors, while scoffing at a long dispatch I published last week. “No insurgent or terrorist group can declare victory or claim Americans are evacuating Iraq’s cities because they were beaten,” I wrote. Spencer acknowledges that Iraq’s Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki isn’t the leader of an insurgent or terrorist group. But he maintains that my statement is “breathtaking in its disconnect from reality” because Maliki declared the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq’s cities “a great victory.”

We are not, and never have been, at war with Prime Minister Maliki. Everyone with even a pedestrian familiarity with events in Iraq during the last couple of years knows that American soldiers and Marines have fought alongside Maliki’s Iraqi soldiers and police against common enemies – Al Qaeda in Iraq and the various offshoots and branches of Moqtada al Sadr’s Mahdi Army militia.

Not even in an alternate universe have Maliki’s men fought Americans and forced them to withdraw. They fought, bled, and died alongside Americans. The United States military recently withdrew from most of Iraq’s urban areas as stipulated by the Status of Forces Agreement negotiated by the Bush Administration, but they’re still training and working closely with Iraqi security forces.

Maliki’s “great victory” statement was an attempt to suck up to the anti-Americans in his electoral constituency who are unhappy with his close relationship with the United States. Iraq’s most sectarian Sunni Arabs regularly accuse Maliki of being an Iranian puppet prime minister when they aren’t contradicting themselves by joining radical Shias and saying he’s an American puppet prime minister. Maliki is closer to Iran than Americans and Iraq’s Sunnis would like, but he’s much closer to the United States where it counts most. He has never sent his men into battle against Americans. But he did order his soldiers into battle alongside Americans last year against Iranian-backed Shia militias in Sadr City and Basra. He also put the Sons of Iraq – whom he used to decry as an anti-Shia Sunni militia – on his government’s payroll.

I don’t know if throwing a rhetorical bone to Iraq’s most strident anti-Americans to shore up his nationalist bona fides is a good idea or if it isn’t. Either way, it’s not hard to see that’s what he’s doing. And it’s frankly ridiculous for Spencer to write as though I have no idea what’s going on in Iraq when he thinks a political speech for domestic consumption overrides the fact that for years Maliki has been at war not against us but with us against our mutual enemies.

Does Spencer believe that, all of a sudden and for no apparent reason, Maliki sympathizes with the terrorists and insurgents he recently crushed?

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1 EmmmieG  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:48:00pm

I know absolutely nothing about Iraq, and I knew that al-Maliki was just looking for points with the anti-Americans. Sheesh.

2 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:49:13pm

"Does Spencer believe that, all of a sudden and for no apparent reason, Maliki sympathizes with the terrorists and insurgents he recently crushed?"

I'd say that Spencer might actually believe that. He's lost all contact with reality and has become a full-time purveyor of Bad Craziness.

3 ggt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:53:32pm

hello Night Lizards! It is the definition of a beautiful July Night in Near Iowa.

OT, but sooo cute!

Still OT, but I don't think so cute.

How are you-all?

4 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:53:49pm

So which vile cesspool of hate does Totten now belong to?

I am confused. Perhaps Robert can inform us. Maybe draw a "vile cesspool of hate" map. Or an atlas.

5 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:55:14pm
Does Spencer believe that, all of a sudden and for no apparent reason, Maliki sympathizes with the terrorists and insurgents he recently crushed?

Indeed, he does Mr Totten. Perhaps he thinks Maliki is engaging in taqqiya.

6 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:56:58pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Indeed, he does Mr Totten. Perhaps he thinks Maliki is engaging in taqqiya.

He'd be wrong in that asessment. Maliki was just pandering to his nuttier constituents. That's normal, most politicians do that.

7 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:57:17pm

I think Robert would be unhappy with anyone other than Filip DeWinter as Iraqi PM.

8 EmmmieG  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:58:00pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

He'd be wrong in that asessment. Maliki was just pandering to his nuttier constituents. That's normal, most politicians do that.

Do you suppose Spencer is pandering to someone? If so, who?

9 Lynn B.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:58:39pm

In contrast to Michael Totten, Spencer has spent ... how much time with his boots on the ground in Iraq? I honestly don't know, but if he's been there at all, I'd be willing to bet it wouldn't even register on the scale.

But I do believe Bob spent the night at a Holiday Inn Express sometime recently.

10 jaunte  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:59:13pm

The final stages of expertosis. Totten, the man with experience on the ground in Iraq has nothing to add to the judgments of published-in-books Islam expert Spencer.

11 Lynn B.  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 8:59:46pm

re: #4 karmic_inquisitor

So which vile cesspool of hate does Totten now belong to?

I am confused. Perhaps Robert can inform us. Maybe draw a "vile cesspool of hate" map. Or an atlas.

I think that in Spencer's book Totten has lizard cooties.

12 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:00:59pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Indeed, he does Mr Totten. Perhaps he thinks Maliki is engaging in taqqiya.

One cannot safely accept the sincerity of a single word from any of those Arab leaders. Well OK, except for anything bad about Jews or Israel - that stuff they really mean.

13 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:01:04pm

re: #9 Lynn B.

Valid question indeed. Has Spencer ever been to Iraq?

14 Thanos  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:02:05pm

There can't be moderate or helpful muslims, if those do exist then it turns Spencer's agitprop from truth into hysteria. He and his ilk have always been anti-war, isolationist; just like the paleocons here. He's closer to luap nor than anti-jihad. He'd much rather we forget the real fight against radical islam and concentrate on his fascist friend's theater in Europe.

Serbia in his book is more important than the outcome in Iraq or Afghanistan, after all he's their best unpaid lobbyist.

15 freetoken  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:02:28pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Indeed, he does Mr Totten. Perhaps he thinks Maliki is engaging in taqqiya.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if someday Spencer accused Mr. Totten of engaging in taqqiya.

16 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:04:01pm

I just cannot believe that Robert Spencer whom, to the best of my knowledge, has never set foot in Iraq (or Afghanistan) would question Mr. Totten's experience and knowledge about Iraq.
I know Spencer lives in some weird, alternative universe because of the truly SHAMEFUL, HATEFUL things he says about Charles, knowingly lying all the time.
But to even suggest that Mr. Totten is a “learned analyst,” and that's it, is just petty jealousy.
Short of some of the better military commanders in Iraq I doubt very much that anyone understands the war in Iraq - WHICH WE DID WIN, MR. SPENCER - as well as Michael Totten.

17 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:05:06pm

re: #12 Spare O'Lake

One cannot safely accept the sincerity of a single word from any of those Arab leaders. Well OK, except for anything bad about Jews or Israel - that stuff they really mean.

Sure- the Iraqis have zero motivation to self-govern. I mean- it's not like they'd walk ten miles to vote, or something. They really miss those rape rooms, I bet.

///

18 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:05:42pm

re: #14 Thanos
Just a great comment Thanos. Thank you.

19 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:05:44pm

re: #8 EmmmieG

Do you suppose Spencer is pandering to someone? If so, who?

He's pandering to euro-fascists and palo-cons.

20 Thanos  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:07:11pm

The latest insanity in Europe? Philip DeWinter is calling for his party, Vlaams Belang to be the Scarf gestapo by snitching on muslim schoolgirls who wear scarves. I kid you not.

/right spencer, that's more important than victory in Iraq...

21 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:07:12pm

re: #15 freetoken

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if someday Spencer accused Mr. Totten of engaging in taqqiya.

I'm sure he's working with Charles on the next great trap to set him up.

22 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:07:53pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

Sure- the Iraqis have zero motivation to self-govern. I mean- it's not like they'd walk ten miles to vote, or something. They really miss those rape rooms, I bet.

///

Go ahead, trust their two-faced babblespeak if you want.
For my part, I will prefer to watch their concrete actions.

23 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:08:52pm

It is sad. Spencer used to make sense a couple of years ago. Perhaps he still does from time to time.

But this is just bat-shit crazy.

24 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:09:09pm

re: #22 Spare O'Lake

Go ahead, trust their two-faced babblespeak if you want.
For my part, I will prefer to watch their concrete actions.

Are you talking about the euro-fascists? Because I'm pretty sure the Iraqis have their own reasons to maintain their new freedom.

25 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:12:12pm

Holy moly. I think I'd spill my drink.

26 pat  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:13:12pm

Well said.

27 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:13:42pm

re: #20 Thanos

The latest insanity in Europe? Philip DeWinter is calling for his party, Vlaams Belang to be the Scarf gestapo by snitching on muslim schoolgirls who wear scarves. I kid you not.

/right spencer, that's more important than victory in Iraq...

All that will do is push otherwise law-abiding Muslims into the arms of the Islamists. They'll feel their religion is under threat and they'll turn to terrorism as a result. That sometimes happens now, but if Spencer andco start attacking the headscarf like that, it'll happen a lot more often.

28 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:13:44pm

So al-Maliki is not congratulating his own troops and the Americans on a great victory?

29 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:14:18pm

Spencer is a vile SOB. A final solution type if ever I saw one. He may have come in under the radar at first, but he is certainly fully illuminated now.

30 Thanos  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:14:26pm

I've always maintained that AQ is more interested in temporal power within the Muslim world rather than attacking the west more. They've killed a shitload more Muslims than they have anyone else, 9/11 included They will attack us when they can, it's valuable rhetoric and a recruiting tool, so have no doubts about that - they are a great danger to us - but they are ultimately focused inward. Their goal is to bring the third fitna.
I first started butting heads with Fjordman, GoV and the spencer / atlas crowd when I noted how nihilistic and against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan they were.

31 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:14:29pm

re: #24 Sharmuta

Are you talking about the euro-fascists? Because I'm pretty sure the Iraqis have their own reasons to maintain their new freedom.

I am not talking about Spencer and I am not talking about euro-fascists. I am talking about the fact that anyone who trusts an Arab leader's words at face value is a gullible idiot. They have repeatedly proven themselves to be a bunch of deceitful, backstabbing, liars. So I say "talk is cheap - show me the money".

32 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:14:48pm

Totten - Multiple visits, embedded in Iraq...meets the people, face to face. Meets the soldiers, face to face. Reports with remarkable unbiased dispatches, one after another.

Spencer - A once respected Islam expert that is has fallen off the main road and is living with the rest of the animals in the wilderness.

I would venture to guess that Mr. Totten is the preeminent reporter for Iraq these days. He just goes in and reports what he sees...no spin, no BS, no agenda.

33 Thanos  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:15:15pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

All that will do is push otherwise law-abiding Muslims into the arms of the Islamists. They'll feel their religion is under threat and they'll turn to terrorism as a result. That sometimes happens now, but if Spencer andco start attacking the headscarf like that, it'll happen a lot more often.

I think that's their goal.

34 ggt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:15:52pm

re: #25 Noam Sayin'

Holy moly. I think I'd spill my drink.

VERY COOL!

35 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:17:01pm

re: #21 Sharmuta Hey Shar, I wonder if the fact that Charles has been good enough and smart enough to publish pieces by Mr. Totten here on LGF (including one on Lebanon) has made ole Spencer so dismissive of Totten's analysis?
In Spencer's strange universe, the fact that Charles would publish some of Totten's work here might mean that Charles and Totten are "ganging up on him"?
In any event, I am very grateful to Michael Totten for his tireless and frequently dangerous work of acutally BEING in a combat zone and then telling us his take on the war. And I'm grateful to Charles for publishing some of Totten's work out here.

36 ggt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:17:03pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

All that will do is push otherwise law-abiding Muslims into the arms of the Islamists. They'll feel their religion is under threat and they'll turn to terrorism as a result. That sometimes happens now, but if Spencer andco start attacking the headscarf like that, it'll happen a lot more often.

Something like that is what I think is happening with the Christians who are leaning towards Creationism. Many feel that their faith is under attack so they will join with any group that seems to be able to fight back.

37 Thanos  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:18:31pm

re: #28 Dar ul Harb

So al-Maliki is not congratulating his own troops and the Americans on a great victory?

That's the way I interpreted it. It's a great victory to defeat your terrorist foesr, and re-constitute a workable if not perfect military and police in a country undergoing insurgency. Most COIN types will tell you it takes 11 yrs on average to put down a full blown insurgency, so what's been accomplished in Iraq so far is really outstanding even with all the faults.

38 pat  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:21:31pm

We do not need to debate Spencer any more. We have ourselves.

39 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:22:22pm

You know - let's not get carried away with this "boots on the ground" notion.

Robert Spencer has attended many conferences. Probably more than anyone here. So he knows the ins and outs of anti-jihad. Like -

1) leaving the ballroom 2 minutes before the speaker finishes so he can get to the urinals, or

2) moving your book signing table a little closer to the entrance of the exhibition hall when the floor manager isn't looking, and

3) how to serve on boards and speaking panels with defense witnesses for Slobadan Milosovic and deny any association, and

4) knowing the really good places to eat in Strassbourg after 9:00 pm when you are tired and hungry from whipping up a bunch of disenfranchised and resentful euro fascists.

It is a perspective that few of us can really say we have seen. Who are we to judge?

/

40 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:22:56pm

re: #25 Noam Sayin'

Holy moly. I think I'd spill my drink.

/impressive, probably hell to pay after landing

41 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:23:06pm

re: #22 Spare O'Lake
Two-faced babblespeak ? The same Iraqi's who proudly sported their purple fingers with JOY at being able to vote for their own government - not once, but twice and each time either traveling - usually by foot - long distances, with the threats of Al-Q and the "foreign fighters" hanging over their heads (and indeed killing more than a few of them)? Those Iraqi's?
You must be joking. At least I hope you are.

42 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:23:08pm

Spencer should read blackfive also.

Tonight's late towercam. Not much light left.

Blakfive

43 Thanos  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:23:50pm

re: #18 realwest

thx

44 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:24:29pm

re: #36 ggt

Something like that is what I think is happening with the Christians who are leaning towards Creationism. Many feel that their faith is under attack so they will join with any group that seems to be able to fight back.

I think that is why many are tolerating creationism in school. It gets draped under the shroud of ID to make it sound "scientific" to those not educated in the subject so it's mildly acceptable and they apparently think its the antidote for the incessant leftist indoctrination. Basically they are falling into the "two wrongs make a right" trap. Same thing is happening with fiscal conservatives putting up with Paulian BS in light of Obamanomics, and the anti-jihad movements looking the other way when it comes to racism.

45 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:25:47pm

re: #32 Desert Dog

Totten - Multiple visits, embedded in Iraq...meets the people, face to face. Meets the soldiers, face to face. Reports with remarkable unbiased dispatches, one after another.

Spencer - A once respected Islam expert that is has fallen off the main road and is living with the rest of the animals in the wilderness.

I would venture to guess that Mr. Totten is the preeminent reporter for Iraq these days. He just goes in and reports what he sees...no spin, no BS, no agenda.

It's a prime example of book learnin' vs. street smarts. It also doesn't help that Spencer's fundamentalist world view leads him to believe that no Muslim can commit an act of goodness without violating a Sura or two.

46 ggt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:26:13pm

re: #44 ArchangelMichael

I think that is why many are tolerating creationism in school. It gets draped under the shroud of ID to make it sound "scientific" to those not educated in the subject so it's mildly acceptable and they apparently think its the antidote for the incessant leftist indoctrination. Basically they are falling into the "two wrongs make a right" trap. Same thing is happening with fiscal conservatives putting up with Paulian BS in light of Obamanomics, and the anti-jihad movements looking the other way when it comes to racism.

While it is frustration to watch all this happen, in a way, it is also gratifying that we get to be a part of it. Indeed, it is our responsbility to be a part of it.

47 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:26:14pm

re: #33 Thanos

I think that's their goal.

That would be far worse if true. Trying to cause a fight because you think you'll profit from the aftermath is monstrous. That would make Robert Spencer Stalin-level evil.

48 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:26:20pm

re: #39 karmic_inquisitor

touche, KI...Totten would not know how to do any of that...

49 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:27:01pm

re: #29 The Shadow Do

Spencer is a vile SOB. A final solution type if ever I saw one. He may have come in under the radar at first, but he is certainly fully illuminated now.


Yep, and let none of us forget that it was our Charles who first illuminated him for what he is. And our Charles who insisted on keeping the lights on all those vile White Supremacists/Neo-Nazis in Europe and their all too willing accomplices in the blogosphere.

50 Thanos  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:27:13pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

That would be far worse if true. Trying to cause a fight because you think you'll profit from the aftermath is monstrous. That would make Robert Spencer Stalin-level evil.

I don't think it's Spencer's goal, but the leadership of VB? Sure, you bet.

51 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:28:49pm

re: #32 Desert Dog

Totten - Multiple visits, embedded in Iraq...meets the people, face to face. Meets the soldiers, face to face. Reports with remarkable unbiased dispatches, one after another.

Spencer - A once respected Islam expert that is has fallen off the main road and is living with the rest of the animals in the wilderness.

I would venture to guess that Mr. Totten is the preeminent reporter for Iraq these days. He just goes in and reports what he sees...no spin, no BS, no agenda.

and that right there is what gives him so much credibility.

52 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:29:01pm

re: #38 pat

We do not need to debate Spencer any more. We have ourselves.

pat ... absolutely fuckinglootly ... (is that a word) ... if people who are against us are mentioned it just gives them fame ... any person ...

53 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:29:30pm

re: #42 Ojoe

Spencer should read blackfive also.

Tonight's late towercam. Not much light left.

Blakfive

Great post on Blackfive:

The Afghans Killed 2,000 Taliban Fighters? So What???

I love that title. It strikes just the right note.

54 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:30:26pm

re: #41 realwest

Two-faced babblespeak ? The same Iraqi's who proudly sported their purple fingers with JOY at being able to vote for their own government - not once, but twice and each time either traveling - usually by foot - long distances, with the threats of Al-Q and the "foreign fighters" hanging over their heads (and indeed killing more than a few of them)? Those Iraqi's?
You must be joking. At least I hope you are.

I was very clearly talking about Arab leaders and the fact that their actions have continuously proven their words and proclamations not to be worth a rat's ass.

55 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:32:39pm

Comment #39 made me spill my coffee. I'm sure Totten will get a kick too.

56 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:32:45pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Great post on Blackfive:

The Afghans Killed 2,000 Taliban Fighters? So What???

I love that title. It strikes just the right note.

There has to be a way to link the deaths of those poor innocent Taliban fighters, to Dick Cheney! Not one of those poor souls got their Miranda rights read to them!

/

57 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:33:12pm

re: #49 realwest

Yep, and let none of us forget that it was our Charles who first illuminated him for what he is. And our Charles who insisted on keeping the lights on all those vile White Supremacists/Neo-Nazis in Europe and their all too willing accomplices in the blogosphere.

Absolutely. Charles is the point man.

58 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:33:38pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon
Hey Dark_Falcon - my friend, let's not get too carried away here. Robert Spencer is not the equivalent of Joe Stalin. Not even close.
Spencer would no doubt like an ethnically pure Europe, (and quite possibly an all White America) but he's just an educated fool who's vile words and deeds have made him worthy of contempt and disregard.
Joe Stalin was a mass murdering monster.

59 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:34:01pm

Speaking of people showing their true colors (or having them exposed), it looks like some people in New York have managed to confuse their former Senator with someone who actually gave a shit about New York.

[Link: wcbstv.com...]

Aren't people from New York City supposed to have that worldly sophistication and savvy that gives them the ability to see an crude opportunist and carpet bagger from a mile away?

Guess not.

60 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:34:28pm

re: #58 realwest

Hey Dark_Falcon - my friend, let's not get too carried away here. Robert Spencer is not the equivalent of Joe Stalin. Not even close.
Spencer would no doubt like an ethnically pure Europe, (and quite possibly an all White America) but he's just an educated fool who's vile words and deeds have made him worthy of contempt and disregard.
Joe Stalin was a mass murdering monster.

You're right of course. Forgive me, hyperbole overtook my words,

61 sngnsgt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:36:22pm

re: #25 Noam Sayin'

Holy moly. I think I'd spill my drink.

That's alcohol abuse. ;-)

62 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:36:43pm

re: #54 Spare O'Lake
Yes you were, and I was talking about Iraqi's who, through free elections, have produced Maliki. Methinks there's a lot more to be said for him than there is the tinhorn Thugocracy of Iran, the "Royalty" of Saudi Arabia and Jordan, or the plain ole fashioned military dictatorship of Syria.

63 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:36:54pm

re: #54 Spare O'Lake

I was very clearly talking about Arab leaders and the fact that their actions have continuously proven their words and proclamations not to be worth a rat's ass.

And this is different from Western leaders how?

64 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:36:59pm

Comment from Mr. Maliki regarding withdrawal:

JULY 9, 2009, 5:17 P.M. ET
Transcript: Iraq's Maliki on the Kurds
'Self-Discipline Is Something We Need,' To Achieve National Reconciliation

WSJ: What message do you want to convey during your visit to America, especially since it comes after the June 30th withdrawal of American combat troops from Iraqi cities?

Mr. Maliki: The message will be to ensure the basis of our relations and our friendship, which is a long-term strategic relationship. There are many parts to that, like trade and investment. I will convey the wish of Iraq for friendship with the U.S. We have a combined victory against terrorism, and there have been sacrifices from both sides that brought fruitful results and democracy to Iraq. Also, we will emphasize the two agreements, the strategic framework agreement and the withdrawal [security] agreement. Also, I've met a lot of officials from the U.S. but I still need to meet many of them because friendships must be clear. If we increase the number of meetings and we have questions in our minds, we can ask them and answer them in person so that our friendship is clear.

Spencer is seeing a villain where there is none.

65 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:39:08pm

re: #59 karmic_inquisitor

Dude, you're just hilarious. I'm gonna be keeping an eye out for what you say in the future.

66 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:40:26pm

re: #64 Gus 802

Comment from Mr. Maliki regarding withdrawal:

JULY 9, 2009, 5:17 P.M. ET
Transcript: Iraq's Maliki on the Kurds
'Self-Discipline Is Something We Need,' To Achieve National Reconciliation

Spencer is seeing a villain where there is none.

Quite Concur.

67 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:40:57pm

re: #62 realwest

Yes you were, and I was talking about Iraqi's who, through free elections, have produced Maliki. Methinks there's a lot more to be said for him than there is the tinhorn Thugocracy of Iran, the "Royalty" of Saudi Arabia and Jordan, or the plain ole fashioned military dictatorship of Syria.

Trust but verify, OK?
And with Arabs, skip the trust until after you verify...and reverify.

68 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:42:42pm

re: #59 karmic_inquisitor
Well keep in mind that the "wordly sophisticated" denizens of my Hometown also include the real life Archie Bunkers of the world. Besides, Bloomberg is just fucked - just like in California, Bloomberg hasn't talked about cutting government spending, just blaming everyone he can see for the financial crisis in NYC - of which he's been the mayor for 8 straight years - because he's lowered the standard of living in that great city by taxing everything that moves or stands still and has run out of taxes to levy (I hope).

69 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:43:18pm

re: #59 karmic_inquisitor

Speaking of people showing their true colors (or having them exposed), it looks like some people in New York have managed to confuse their former Senator with someone who actually gave a shit about New York.

[Link: wcbstv.com...]

Aren't people from New York City supposed to have that worldly sophistication and savvy that gives them the ability to see an crude opportunist and carpet bagger from a mile away?

Guess not.

No offense to any New Yorkers in the house, but look who has been elected in the Empire State lately: Hillary, Bloomberg, Spitzer, Shumer, Charles Rangel! eeeh

70 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:43:54pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

You're right of course. Forgive me, hyperbole overtook my words,


No sweat my friend - I'm so nervous tonight that I'm surprised I even saw it!

71 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:43:58pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur.

Thanks. If I would guess he's probably doing it to maintain his readership or as form of "job security." I was looking for the complete transcript of Maliki's comments regarding "great victory" but have come up dry. There only seems to be a couple of sound bytes regarding the June 30th withdrawal. General Odierno doesn't not agree with a negative view regarding said phrase.

72 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:44:48pm

re: #63 The Shadow Do

And this is different from Western leaders how?

I refuse to equate the demonstrated treachery and lack of trustworthiness of the Arab leaders with the leaders of America, Canada, Australia, Britain and other Western nations.

73 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:44:54pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

While the comparison was over the top hyperbole, I'll give you a mulligan. I think you are on to something. Did not Stalin believe in an apocalyptic battle between the forces of 'socialism' and capitalism? I'm sure Spencer believes such a battle between Islam and the west is inevitable.

74 van helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:45:06pm

re: #69 Desert Dog

No offense to any New Yorkers in the house, but look who has been elected in the Empire State lately: Hillary, Bloomberg, Spitzer, Shumer, Charles Rangel! eeeh

Yeah but we keep re-electing McCain.
Is there not ANY alternative that, that, senator?

75 ggt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:46:38pm

re: #59 karmic_inquisitor

Speaking of people showing their true colors (or having them exposed), it looks like some people in New York have managed to confuse their former Senator with someone who actually gave a shit about New York.

[Link: wcbstv.com...]

Aren't people from New York City supposed to have that worldly sophistication and savvy that gives them the ability to see an crude opportunist and carpet bagger from a mile away?

Guess not.

From your link: Great slideshow of celebs who lean to the right--great pix of Charlton Heston.

Of course, I don't know who 1/2 these people are . . .

76 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:47:16pm

re: #71 Gus 802

I tend to believe General Odierno over Spencer. That call is not even close.

77 srb1976  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:47:38pm

re: #70 realwest

No sweat my friend - I'm so nervous tonight that I'm surprised I even saw it!

Your test is tomorrow?
Anyway, wanted to wish you the very best of luck, before I forget!

78 JacksonTn  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:47:53pm

Isn't it stupid ... tit for tat ...


Good Night Lizards ...

79 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:47:53pm

re: #74 van helsing

Yeah but we keep re-electing McCain.
Is there not ANY alternative that, that, senator?

Well, he will get a run for his money this time around...I am sure the Dems will bring in someone and spend a gazillion like the last one when Kyl almost lost.

80 ggt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:48:02pm

re: #64 Gus 802

Comment from Mr. Maliki regarding withdrawal:

JULY 9, 2009, 5:17 P.M. ET
Transcript: Iraq's Maliki on the Kurds
'Self-Discipline Is Something We Need,' To Achieve National Reconciliation


Spencer is seeing a villain where there is none.

Thank you for linking the source document. IT is so Important.

81 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:48:23pm

re: #76 MrPaulRevere

I tend to believe General Odierno over Spencer. That call is not even close.

Exactly. I actually didn't want to tarnish General Odierno's reputation by putting the two in the same sentence or making the comparison.

But, I agree.

82 ggt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:48:54pm

re: #70 realwest

No sweat my friend - I'm so nervous tonight that I'm surprised I even saw it!

Why ARE YOU nervous?

83 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:49:48pm

re: #70 realwest

No sweat my friend - I'm so nervous tonight that I'm surprised I even saw it!

re: #73 MrPaulRevere

While the comparison was over the top hyperbole, I'll give you a mulligan. I think you are on to something. Did not Stalin believe in an apocalyptic battle between the forces of 'socialism' and capitalism? I'm sure Spencer believes such a battle between Islam and the west is inevitable.

Thank you, gentlemen.

84 van helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:50:24pm

re: #79 Desert Dog

Well, he will get a run for his money this time around...I am sure the Dems will bring in someone and spend a gazillion like the last one when Kyl almost lost.

True. Sad, but true.
The dems are too well funded and the GOP is too hidebound to try to run an alternative to McCain.

So what do we do? Pick up the turd by the clean end and vote for McCain.
Grumble...

85 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:50:38pm

re: #80 ggt

Thank you for linking the source document. IT is so Important.

Cut and paste! ;) Actually on the PC it's just ctl + c and then ctl + v. Almost forgot to reference something earlier.

86 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:50:38pm

re: #79 Desert Dog

Well, he will get a run for his money this time around...I am sure the Dems will bring in someone and spend a gazillion like the last one when Kyl almost lost.

Still, we should hope McCain wins. Better him than a Dem.

87 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:50:43pm

re: #72 Spare O'Lake

I refuse to equate the demonstrated treachery and lack of trustworthiness of the Arab leaders with the leaders of America, Canada, Australia, Britain and other Western nations.

Actually, I find leadership presentations out of the ME a good deal less duplicitous than most in the West. Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda, etc., and their State sponsors are pretty clear in mission to me. Obama, for example, considerably less so.

88 ggt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:51:30pm

re: #85 Gus 802

Cut and paste! ;) Actually on the PC it's just ctl + c and then ctl + v. Almost forgot to reference something earlier.

Yes, I know it is that easy! I tend to get involved in the conversation and forget. It is a bad habit.

89 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:51:40pm

re: #84 van helsing

True. Sad, but true.
The dems are too well funded and the GOP is too hidebound to try to run an alternative to McCain.

So what do we do? Pick up the turd by the clean end and vote for McCain.
Grumble...

We could be worse off...we could have elected this guy.

90 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:51:47pm

re: #69 Desert Dog
That's all very true. In that respect NYState is just like California as well. And other places. It's just that Hillary stabbed Bloomberg in the back while - despite how he's ruined the NYC economy - he's running for a third term for Mayor - this time as a Democrat. This of course violates NYC Charter, but the NYC Council decided that they didn't mean that when it came to getting a mulit-billionare back into the Democratic Party - ya know, shows they are willing to forgive and forget his turning from Dem to Republican when there were Dems who wanted to be Mayor (and had been in NYC politics a lot longer than Bloomberg) so the NYC Council overlooked the two term limitation - which kept Rudy Giuliani from running for a third term.
BTW, the election of a new mayor was in fact scheduled for 9/11 and the Dems were pissed off that they hadda put up with Rudy as their mayor for a while longer.
Dumb fucks.
Electing Rudy was the BEST THING NYC ever did.

91 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:52:20pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

Still, we should hope McCain wins. Better him than a Dem.

He should win, barring any major surprise

92 Thanos  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:52:33pm

Back in '07 CNN did a story about a PR firm that generally works for paleocons who are trying to undermine Maliki iirc... Hillary hates him too.

I suspect he's gone after 2010 elections, he's said he didn't want to serve past then, but we'll see how that goes.

93 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:53:29pm

re: #90 realwest

Rudy turned that city around. I visited there in the late 70's and the again after Rudy was in...what a difference.

94 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:54:14pm

re: #87 The Shadow Do

Actually, I find leadership presentations out of the ME a good deal less duplicitous than most in the West. Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda, etc., and their State sponsors are pretty clear in mission to me. Obama, for example, considerably less so.

At least you know where you stand. Hamas charter and other info

95 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:54:57pm

re: #89 Desert Dog

We could be worse off...we could have elected this guy.

LOL! I was thinking that same damn thing as I typed about McCain!

96 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:55:18pm

re: #92 Thanos

Back in '07 CNN did a story about a PR firm that generally works for paleocons who are trying to undermine Maliki iirc... Hillary hates him too.

I suspect he's gone after 2010 elections, he's said he didn't want to serve past then, but we'll see how that goes.

Just cam across and article at Al Guardian in which they are essentially calling him "another strongman." I'm sure we'll see some extremist faction toss their criticisms his way. For now we'll just have to wait and see how Maliki performs.

97 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:55:30pm

re: #74 van helsing
And let's not forget the Kennedys and Kerry (and now Deval) in Mass. Hell they were even kind enought to send Robert Kennedy to NYC to run for (and of course win) a US Senatorship.
Must be something in the water up there, I can't figure any other reason for that behavior.

98 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:55:32pm

re: #94 Van Helsing

At least you know where you stand. Hamas charter and other info

Yup, always a good read.

99 sngnsgt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:56:09pm

re: #90 realwest

Hey realwest,

I don't know if you remember you and I talking about it but, I recently had my disability hearing and was approved. I received the letter in the mail today. There's still gov't hurry up and wait bs to go through but, the decision in my case was favorable. I should be getting a decent settlement sometime soon.

100 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:56:23pm

re: #87 The Shadow Do

Actually, I find leadership presentations out of the ME a good deal less duplicitous than most in the West. Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda, etc., and their State sponsors are pretty clear in mission to me. Obama, for example, considerably less so.

On that e-mission, good night all.

101 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:57:44pm

re: #77 srb1976
Yeah, my test tomorrow - thanks for the kind wishes.
But tomorrow night I'll be the proverbial quivering bowl of Jelly cause it's the next day (Wednesday) that I get the report by phone!

102 freetoken  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:57:53pm

re: #75 ggt

From your link: Great slideshow of celebs who lean to the right--great pix of Charlton Heston.

Except for Chuck Norris, the one true conservative, the lot would be decried as "RINOs" by true patriots of today's world wide web.

103 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:58:09pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

Still, we should hope McCain wins. Better him than a Dem.

Or this guy.

104 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:58:57pm

'Night Spare. Sweet dreams, you Lizard you

105 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:59:24pm

re: #97 realwest

And let's not forget the Kennedys and Kerry (and now Deval) in Mass. Hell they were even kind enought to send Robert Kennedy to NYC to run for (and of course win) a US Senatorship.
Must be something in the water up there, I can't figure any other reason for that behavior.

And Ted's son Chris is planning to run for the Senate here in Illinois. Thankfully, the probable Republican is Mark Kirkm who is a very good candidate. He'll leave the Kennedys crying in their scotch.

106 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 9:59:54pm

re: #101 realwest

Yeah, my test tomorrow - thanks for the kind wishes.
But tomorrow night I'll be the proverbial quivering bowl of Jelly cause it's the next day (Wednesday) that I get the report by phone!

Give it hell, Real. Give it hell.

107 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:00:05pm

Yoda - Weird Al

108 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:00:27pm

re: #82 ggt
Hi ggt! Tomorrow there gonna take more blood for another cancer test and then Wednesday the Oncologist will call me with the results. Since they've been getting worse and worse for the last 21 straight months, I'm not...how to put it...optimistic this time around.

109 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:00:36pm

re: #97 realwest

And let's not forget the Kennedys and Kerry (and now Deval) in Mass. Hell they were even kind enought to send Robert Kennedy to NYC to run for (and of course win) a US Senatorship.
Must be something in the water up there, I can't figure any other reason for that behavior.

The creation of political dynasties. Perpetual power for the sake of power is all I can figure.
The elected class has become nearly immune to the legislation that they inflict on us taxpayers/citizens. I'm just stunned that they think they are doing GOOD for the country. Are they that blind?

Federalized local Civil Defense groups - Fail
Federalized the school system - Epic Fail

Federalize some banks and auto companies... Mega Epic Fail?

110 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:02:07pm

re: #103 Gus 802

Or this guy.

Yuck. I can't believe I once defended that man. That was before he really got crazy, but still...

111 ggt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:02:14pm

re: #97 realwest

And let's not forget the Kennedys and Kerry (and now Deval) in Mass. Hell they were even kind enought to send Robert Kennedy to NYC to run for (and of course win) a US Senatorship.
Must be something in the water up there, I can't figure any other reason for that behavior.

How could you leave out the Great State of Chicago. I think we top the Nation in bad politicians.

112 ggt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:02:55pm

re: #102 freetoken

Except for Chuck Norris, the one true conservative, the lot would be decried as "RINOs" by true patriots of today's world wide web.

It said "leans to the Right". Which is something to be greatful for, IMHO.

113 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:03:36pm

re: #109 Van Helsing

The creation of political dynasties. Perpetual power for the sake of power is all I can figure.
The elected class has become nearly immune to the legislation that they inflict on us taxpayers/citizens. I'm just stunned that they think they are doing GOOD for the country. Are they that blind?
From cradel to grave these folks are assured they are good people. Of course they think they are special. Real patriots they are. Just ask any of their friends.
Federalized local Civil Defense groups - Fail
Federalized the school system - Epic Fail

Federalize some banks and auto companies... Mega Epic Fail?

114 capitalist piglet  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:04:01pm

re: #101 realwest

Yeah, my test tomorrow - thanks for the kind wishes.
But tomorrow night I'll be the proverbial quivering bowl of Jelly cause it's the next day (Wednesday) that I get the report by phone!

With your permission, I would like to pray for you, r/w.

115 ggt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:04:11pm

re: #108 realwest

Hi ggt! Tomorrow there gonna take more blood for another cancer test and then Wednesday the Oncologist will call me with the results. Since they've been getting worse and worse for the last 21 straight months, I'm not...how to put it...optimistic this time around.

Oh RW! I'll be keeping my finger's crossed.

116 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:04:41pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Yuck. I can't believe I once defended that man. That was before he really got crazy, but still...

He's an odd one that's for sure. Not only that but he's ascribed to the Dream Act. (McCain's been flip-flopping on that idea.) But overall he has a lot of personal history so to speak.

117 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:05:01pm

re: #113 The Shadow Do

wow. that was not the post I just made. weirod.

118 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:05:02pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

All that will do is push otherwise law-abiding Muslims into the arms of the Islamists. They'll feel their religion is under threat and they'll turn to terrorism as a result. That sometimes happens now, but if Spencer andco start attacking the headscarf like that, it'll happen a lot more often.

i think that's what the nazis WANT to happen.

119 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:06:13pm

re: #89 Desert Dog
Hey, didn't that guy used to live in NYC too? Why on earth would he go to Minnesota to run for Senate?
Oh, that's right, NY'ers know that even for a wannabe politician he's a bad fucking joke.

120 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:06:35pm

re: #108 realwest

Hi ggt! Tomorrow there gonna take more blood for another cancer test and then Wednesday the Oncologist will call me with the results. Since they've been getting worse and worse for the last 21 straight months, I'm not...how to put it...optimistic this time around.

prayers to you, our brother

121 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:06:42pm

re: #107 LC LaWedgie

That is one damn cold looking swamp, sir or ma'am.
Good fun, though.

122 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:07:16pm

re: #68 realwest

Well keep in mind that the "wordly sophisticated" denizens of my Hometown also include the real life Archie Bunkers of the world. Besides, Bloomberg is just fucked - just like in California, Bloomberg hasn't talked about cutting government spending, just blaming everyone he can see for the financial crisis in NYC - of which he's been the mayor for 8 straight years - because he's lowered the standard of living in that great city by taxing everything that moves or stands still and has run out of taxes to levy (I hope).


Well, I had this can sitting next to me. It was dark green in color with black lettering that read "Ration, Shit 1 Each" and I figured I'd open it for Hillary.

So how's tricks? Disassembled any Claymores lately?

123 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:07:18pm

re: #109 Van Helsing

The elected class has become nearly immune to the legislation that they inflict on us taxpayers/citizens. I'm just stunned that they think they are doing GOOD for the country. Are they that blind?


They are most assuradely confident they are doing good. They have been told so from cradle to grave. That is what friends are for when you are rich, famous and influential.

124 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:08:00pm

re: #93 Desert Dog

Rudy turned that city around. I visited there in the late 70's and the again after Rudy was in...what a difference.


Tell me about it! I lived and worked in NYC starting in the early 70's and didn't leave until 2006!

125 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:09:03pm

re: #118 _RememberTonyC

i think that's what the nazis WANT to happen.

Thanos also made that argument. I agree with it. That means itss up us and other sane people to stop Fascism from racking up another massive body count. It leaves me feeling like "Didn't grandfather have to do this? Why didn't the job stay done?"

126 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:09:31pm

re: #119 realwest

Hey, didn't that guy used to live in NYC too? Why on earth would he go to Minnesota to run for Senate?
Oh, that's right, NY'ers know that even for a wannabe politician he's a bad fucking joke.

He's from MN...I still cannot believe that guy is a sitting Senator...we live in strange times.

127 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:09:47pm

re: #123 The Shadow Do

They are most assuradely confident they are doing good. They have been told so from cradle to grave. That is what friends are for when you are rich, famous and influential.

Ah. I got it. More victims of un-earned self-esteem.

128 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:09:57pm

re: #102 freetoken

Except for Chuck Norris, the one true conservative, the lot would be decried as "RINOs" by true patriots of today's world wide web.

You mean like when Heston appeared at a civil rights protest alongside Harry Belafonte (as well as other actors)? Belaftone of course was and is not unlike Paul Robeson in his political ideology. You have to wonder how the blogosphere would react today to that co-appearance.

129 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:10:11pm

re: #126 Desert Dog

He's from MN...I still cannot believe that guy is a sitting Senator...we live in strange scary times.

fixed

130 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:10:26pm

re: #99 sngnsgt
HEY MAZEL TOV! Great news my friend.
Uh, did they say it would be 3 or 4 months before they could start sending you money cause they had to verify that you weren't already getting SSI?!

131 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:10:44pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

Thanos also made that argument. I agree with it. That means itss up us and other sane people to stop Fascism from racking up another massive body count. It leaves me feeling like "Didn't grandfather have to do this? Why didn't the job stay done?"

extremists of all stripes are dangerous ... this is why

132 srb1976  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:11:05pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

Thanos also made that argument. I agree with it. That means itss up us and other sane people to stop Fascism from racking up another massive body count. It leaves me feeling like "Didn't grandfather have to do this? Why didn't the job stay done?"

Because it's like laundry, it's never done. The world will never STAY saved dammit!
In all seriousness, the job is never finished, you can only hope for progress...

133 MrPaulRevere  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:11:34pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

The second generation of the Kennedy dynasty was found wanting by the voters, and for good reasons. They seemed to be awash in a sea of hard narcotics, alcohol, and sexual hijinks. Not to mention a grotesque sense of entitlement.

134 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:11:57pm

re: #128 Gus 802

You mean like when Heston appeared at a civil rights protest alongside Harry Belafonte (as well as other actors)? Belaftone of course was and is not unlike Paul Robeson in his political ideology. You have to wonder how the blogosphere would react today to that co-appearance.

They'd go nuts.

135 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:12:04pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

fixed

I dunno... congress, comedy central... If it wasn't for the pain that one of those can inflict, is there any real difference?

You're right. Congress isn't that kind of funny.

136 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:12:23pm

re: #126 Desert Dog

He's from MN...I still cannot believe that guy is a sitting Senator...we live in strange times.

I'm pretty sure Minnesotans have a sick sense of humor. We are supposed to sort of just laugh along with them.
I admit, I don't get it but it must seem funny to them.

137 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:12:26pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon
Ah, old political line, but still surprisingly true: Never bet against a Kennedy in an election fight.

138 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:12:33pm

Evening Honcos!

International terror indictment has Seattle ties

The three-page indictment was unsealed in Minneapolis, which is the center of the terror investigation. But Seattle has featured prominently because of its large Somali community.
139 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:12:33pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

They'd go nuts.

They sure would. Either that or it would cause a great deal of genuflecting. =)

140 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:13:21pm

I judge people by the company they keep, re Spencer and a neo-nazi:

141 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:13:58pm

re: #106 The Shadow Do

Give it hell, Real. Give it hell.

LOL! Thanks, but all I'm giving them tomorrow is blood. Wednesday I may give 'em hell though! LOL!

142 Floral Giraffe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:14:31pm

re: #101 realwest

You're in this lizard's prayers! Good luck!

143 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:15:44pm

re: #127 Van Helsing

Ah. I got it. More victims of un-earned self-esteem.

Yeah, victims. I feel sorry for them, don't you?
/

144 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:16:30pm

re: #133 MrPaulRevere

The second generation of the Kennedy dynasty was found wanting by the voters, and for good reasons. They seemed to be awash in a sea of hard narcotics, alcohol, and sexual hijinks. Not to mention a grotesque sense of entitlement.

To be fair, Chris Kennedy has done quite well managing the Merchendise Mart is Chicago. He has no known major vices. Still, I'm not enamored of the idea of having another Senator Kennedy, and him being from my state. That said, I hope he wins the Democratic nomination because Jan Sharkowsky, who is also looking like she'll run, is far worse. I'd rather have both parties nominate sane people: It makes a GOP victory less likely, but means the nation is in less danger.

145 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:17:33pm

re: #109 Van Helsing
And let's not leave out probably Healthcare and energy (utilities). Which I truly DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I'm DEFINITLEY IN FAVOR OF ENERGY INDEPENDENCE, and I am in favor of the environment, but the only true and proved in mass use alternative to fossil fuels is nulear power - France gets like 75% of it's electrical power from nukes - FRANCE!! - and the Dem's can barely get the words Nuclear Power out of their mouths to say no to it. Just insanity.

146 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:17:55pm

re: #141 realwest

LOL! Thanks, but all I'm giving them tomorrow is blood. Wednesday I may give 'em hell though! LOL!

fuck the blood, give them piss and vinegar!

147 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:20:10pm

re: #137 realwest

Ah, old political line, but still surprisingly true: Never bet against a Kennedy in an election fight.

Well, I'm going to defy that line. I'll contribute to Mark Kirk's nomination campaign, and whoever wins the GOP Senate nomination will get money from me. My dad too. He and I are determined to help put our party in the Senate from Illinois.

148 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:20:20pm

re: #143 The Shadow Do

Yeah, victims. I feel sorry for them, don't you?
/

No. Not really.
Not at all.

How do we get rid of these creatures? They are destroying the country I love.
No. Maybe not destroying. Perverting, changing beyond recognition that whole idea of limited government, self reliance and the rule of law and EQUAL protection under those laws.

But I'm just a li'l ole unimportant engineer. What do I know of these complex questions of Social Justice and other Deep Thoughts?

149 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:20:35pm

re: #114 capitalist piglet
Hell Heck Yes! I'll take all the prayers and good wishes I can get! Thank you!

150 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:20:47pm

Good night all...Mrs. Desert Dog is flicking the lights...see you on the flipside.

151 srb1976  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:20:56pm

re: #145 realwest

I get a calendar every year from our local nuclear power plant...it's their way of keeping the folks inside their 10 mile radius informed on evacuation routes = )
Have never worried about living close to a nuclear power plant though.

Building up the nuclear power industry in this country would take time though, even if you could get approval...

152 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:21:21pm

re: #115 ggt Thanks ggt - uh, on Wednesday could you maybe cross your fingers and arms?!?

153 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:21:27pm

re: #145 realwest

Well said sir, and I hope you fervently that you pass your upcoming test.

154 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:21:35pm

re: #145 realwest

And let's not leave out probably Healthcare and energy (utilities). Which I truly DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I'm DEFINITLEY IN FAVOR OF ENERGY INDEPENDENCE, and I am in favor of the environment, but the only true and proved in mass use alternative to fossil fuels is nulear power - France gets like 75% of it's electrical power from nukes - FRANCE!! - and the Dem's can barely get the words Nuclear Power out of their mouths to say no to it. Just insanity.

The new Obama energy independence plan.

155 freetoken  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:21:52pm

re: #128 Gus 802

You mean like when Heston appeared at a civil rights protest alongside Harry Belafonte (as well as other actors)? Belaftone of course was and is not unlike Paul Robeson in his political ideology. You have to wonder how the blogosphere would react today to that co-appearance.

Heads would explode.

Rigid ideologues may pretend there is meaning in maintaining rigid consistency, but in the real world I believe people patch together belief systems that are needed to make sense of their lives, or their hopes.

156 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:22:12pm

re: #121 Van Helsing

If there's one thing you can depend about Weird Al, he'll do his research and stay pretty true to the original.
More than I can say for Franken, or Maliki.
---
In memory of TOTUS:

157 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:22:29pm

re: #120 _RememberTonyC
Thank you my friend and brother!

158 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:23:27pm

re: #156 LC LaWedgie

RATS

(try that again)

159 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:23:38pm

re: #122 karmic_inquisitor

Well, I had this can sitting next to me. It was dark green in color with black lettering that read "Ration, Shit 1 Each" and I figured I'd open it for Hillary.

So how's tricks? Disassembled any Claymores lately?


LOL! No, they won't give me any Claymores - or even sell 'em to me, can you believe that?!?

160 sngnsgt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:23:58pm

re: #130 realwest

I don't know for sure right now when they're going to start sending money, I'm just thrilled that the judgement was in my favor. Disability will help pay for Neuro visits and the high price for Epilepsy meds. The last time I paid for meds, I ordered them from Canada. The cost from Canada was a 3rd of what I pay in the US. Now, disability will pay for most if not all.

161 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:24:28pm

re: #154 jcm

The new Obama energy independence plan.

I'm pretty sure they are going to ban that. Too hard to tax and keep you from pedaling up a storm to run your AC in summer, pissing off people in other countries.

162 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:24:51pm

re: #153 Van Helsing

Well said sir, and I hope you fervently that you pass your upcoming test.

PIMF. Like English wasn't my first language.

163 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:25:48pm

re: #142 Floral Giraffe
Thank you very much {Floral Giraffe} much appreciated.

164 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:27:03pm

re: #148 Van Helsing


What do I know of these complex questions of Social Justice and other Deep Thoughts?


Yes, Social Justice, that's the ticket!
///
I am a fossil who must go away (too old to rehabilitate). I have these stupid old fashioned ideas about liberty and such odd ball anachronisms.

165 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:27:22pm

re: #162 Van Helsing

Don't worry, you've got about 1,600 spel chekrs and thee-sauri on line to help ya out.

166 Floral Giraffe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:27:32pm

re: #160 sngnsgt

Congratulations! I hope it helps you out, a LOT!

167 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:27:45pm

re: #161 ArchangelMichael

I'm pretty sure they are going to ban that. Too hard to tax and keep you from pedaling up a storm to run your AC in summer, pissing off people in other countries.

The future of energy!

//

168 srb1976  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:27:50pm

re: #160 sngnsgt

I don't know for sure right now when they're going to start sending money, I'm just thrilled that the judgement was in my favor. Disability will help pay for Neuro visits and the high price for Epilepsy meds. The last time I paid for meds, I ordered them from Canada. The cost from Canada was a 3rd of what I pay in the US. Now, disability will pay for most if not all.

Congrats (I know that's not quite the right word, but it's the best I could come up with) on the settlement of your case...I'm not up on all the details (and not asking for any you don't want to give), but anything decided in your favor is a good thing

169 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:29:03pm

re: #99 sngnsgt Hey, the reason I asked my question in my #130 cause I had to tell them to just use the damn SS computers and that would show if I had been receiving any aid for it.
They HONEST TO GOD sounded like this was a novel idea and I got my first check in like 3 weeks instead of 3 months!

170 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:29:06pm

re: #154 jcm

Why you uncaring raper of Mother Gaia!!
Did you not take into account the excess CO2 that would be produced by all those increased metabolic functions??! Hmm, did you??

That sort of short sighted solution is exactly what got us into this whole global warming problem in the first place.

/
By the way, did any of Hansen's sooper sekrit computer model algorithms predict the last 7 years of cooling?
Just askin'...

171 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:30:04pm

re: #160 sngnsgt
Damn - I am nervous, I meant my #169 in response to your #160!

172 srb1976  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:31:44pm

re: #161 ArchangelMichael

I'm pretty sure they are going to ban that. Too hard to tax and keep you from pedaling up a storm to run your AC in summer, pissing off people in other countries.

To hell with Obama and rest of the world, I get my AC back on friday!!!
(it's gonna be COLD in my house saturday)
Yay! homeowner's insurance = )

173 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:33:16pm
174 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:34:40pm

re: #170 Van Helsing

Why you uncaring raper of Mother Gaia!!
Did you not take into account the excess CO2 that would be produced by all those increased metabolic functions??! Hmm, did you??

That sort of short sighted solution is exactly what got us into this whole global warming problem in the first place.


Oh my god what was I thinking!
I just hold my breath for awhile in penance.

175 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:34:48pm

re: #173 jcm

This way we'd have more... ahhh.. energy.

Yikes. That looks pretty open.

176 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:36:27pm

re: #174 jcm

Oh my god what was I thinking!
I just hold my breath for awhile in penance.

And no farting for a week!

177 sngnsgt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:36:36pm

re: #169 realwest

Hey, the reason I asked my question in my #130 cause I had to tell them to just use the damn SS computers and that would show if I had been receiving any aid for it.
They HONEST TO GOD sounded like this was a novel idea and I got my first check in like 3 weeks instead of 3 months!

I haven't received anything yet, and my first turn-down was quite a few years ago. From what I've been told, I should be getting a decent settlement from when I should have been on disability up to my recent decision. I don't know cash-wise what I'll be getting yet. I'm going to take advantage of anything and eveything I can get from disability, it's been a long, tough ride getting here.

178 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:36:47pm

re: #151 srb1976
"Building up the nuclear power industry in this country would take time though, even if you could get approval..."
Well yes and no - if you could elimiate all the Enviroweenies friviolous lawsuits it'd go a lot faster.
Hell there are two operating in North Carolina now - took 'em long hard court fight(s) but they got 'em built. And for all those electric cars and trucks we're supposed to use, you'd think Obama and the Dems would WANT nuclear power plants. Instead they bs about wind power (and I think Warren Buffets dropping out of that after spending something like $12 billion bucks on the turbines alone may have put a chill on that cause you need special transition lines or rights of way; nuke power just goes through your regular electrical lines). And then the Enviroweenies managed to halt development of Solar Power in the middle of the damn Mojave Desert simply by asserting that it would change the eco make up of the Mojave! Just crazy weird stuff.

179 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:37:38pm

re: #153 Van Helsing
Thanks for the good wishes!

180 ggt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:37:56pm

I've been lost in the links.

What's going on?

181 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:38:35pm

re: #175 Gus 802

Yikes. That looks pretty open.

Then there's the Fwench.

182 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:38:40pm

Time for me to go to bed. Goodnight, all.

183 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:38:43pm
Suspected drug hitmen dump 12 bodies on Mexico road

I have no idea why some wingnuts want to get so mean and nasty about poor folks coming to America from our friendly Southern border...

184 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:38:47pm

re: #178 realwest

"Building up the nuclear power industry in this country would take time though, even if you could get approval..."
Well yes and no - if you could elimiate all the Enviroweenies friviolous lawsuits it'd go a lot faster.
Hell there are two operating in North Carolina now - took 'em long hard court fight(s) but they got 'em built. And for all those electric cars and trucks we're supposed to use, you'd think Obama and the Dems would WANT nuclear power plants. Instead they bs about wind power (and I think Warren Buffets dropping out of that after spending something like $12 billion bucks on the turbines alone may have put a chill on that cause you need special transition lines or rights of way; nuke power just goes through your regular electrical lines). And then the Enviroweenies managed to halt development of Solar Power in the middle of the damn Mojave Desert simply by asserting that it would change the eco make up of the Mojave! Just crazy weird stuff.

Yep.

Ted Kennedy and the wind farm.

185 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:39:01pm

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

Time for me to go to bed. Goodnight, all.

Night DF.

186 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:39:11pm

re: #154 jcm ROTFLMAO! Well the kinda shape I'm in I could maybe light ONE lightbulb - 40 watts, max - that way!

187 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:39:13pm

re: #176 Van Helsing

And no farting for a week!

'Kay...
...

...

...

...

BOOM!

188 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:39:28pm

What a great thread. 1,000+ updings on this one.

How are all of the lizards tonight.

189 Flavia  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:41:11pm

But it is a victory for Iraq that Americans are leaving - and an even bigger one for America. It means that Iraq can stand on its own two feet - and didn't America wants that? Yes, we did!

190 srb1976  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:41:16pm

re: #188 Pvt Bin Jammin

Evenin' PBJ...nice to see ya = )

191 ggt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:41:17pm

weet dreams all!

192 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:42:10pm

re: #190 srb1976

Evenin' PBJ...nice to see ya = )

Good to see you. I see you got your A/C!!!

193 Floral Giraffe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:42:30pm

re: #188 Pvt Bin Jammin

Hi PBJ! How are you?
Kinda sad here, we lost my Uncle last week.
He was 85, and had lived in an Alzheimers care facility for over 7 years.
Still, I miss him!

194 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:43:00pm

re: #191 ggt

Weet dreams to you to.

195 Floral Giraffe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:43:05pm

re: #192 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good to see you. I see you got your A/C!!!

LOL! She's gonna be cool again! ;)

196 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:43:23pm

re: #181 jcm

Then there's the Fwench.

Then there's India.

//That's probably a multi-role facility.

/

197 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:43:38pm

re: #177 sngnsgt
Well damn good on you for sticking to it. And they are supposed to HELP US aren't they?!

I do hope everything gets going your way cash wise and medical assistance-wise immediately if not sooner!

198 srb1976  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:43:54pm

re: #192 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good to see you. I see you got your A/C!!!

Being installed friday!! insurance co. didn't even send an adjuster...just checked their lightning strike report...apparently the lightning strike 9.5 ft. from my front door was convincing enough = )

199 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:44:37pm

re: #196 Gus 802

Then there's India.

//That's probably a multi-role facility.

/

I give! You win!

EWWW!

200 sngnsgt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:44:57pm

re: #166 Floral Giraffe

Congratulations! I hope it helps you out, a LOT!

Thanks, this is going to be a huge help! Medical care and help with the cost of meds is something I really need. Epilepsy meds cost a fortune here in the states. I ordered from Mexico this time. What I recieved from Mexico was the same brand name in the same bottle I get here in the states for less than a third of the cost. Depending how long I have to wait, if I don't get help with meds by the time I need them, I'm ordering from Mexico again. Who knows what it will be like under Barry-care. I'm just glad that before Barry-care kicks in, I'm already established with a Dr and already have a firm diagnosis.

201 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:45:23pm

re: #181 jcm
Aw c'mon jcm - do y'all know how far back we'd have to stand to avoid splash backs? Why we'd have to display our, uh, nevermind.

202 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:45:37pm

re: #199 jcm

I give! You win!

EWWW!

Roger. I'll end it with that one.

203 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:46:52pm

re: #178 realwest

Nukes make the most sense. Currently they make the ONLY sense.
The electrical grid was designed to be and still is DEMAND driven - when more power is required you crank up another generator of whatever kind and switch it into the grid.

Solar and wind CURRENTLY (and for the foreseeable future) require a SUPPLY driven distribution and STORAGE system. We don't have a good way to store energy. It can be done, by pumping water into reservoirs and releasing it through turbines as hydro power does now. There is research being done into storing as heat to use later but the last I read there were some pretty horrific efficiency penalties with that.

Given all that, nukes make the most sense (still).

Harry Reid needs to grow up and let Yucca Mountain get finished and then we can use the power from the nuke plants to facilitate advances to something better.

When power gets too expensive and scarce? It will redefine the meaning of 'Dark Age'.

204 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:47:19pm

re: #202 Gus 802

Roger. I'll end it with that one.

LOL!

The whole indoor plumbing thing is just arrogant imperialism!

205 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:47:21pm

Any Spencer apologists show up yet? (I just got here)

206 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:47:27pm

re: #193 Floral Giraffe

Hi PBJ! How are you?
Kinda sad here, we lost my Uncle last week.
He was 85, and had lived in an Alzheimers care facility for over 7 years.
Still, I miss him!

OMG that breaks my heart. My dear friend Stella, who was a starlett and one time and still wearing the stilettos at age 80 (with no nylons and looking good) is 86 now and has Alzheimers as well. Her son has moved her about sixty miles away now & we haven't seen her for a long time. I miss her so much. We need to take the drive. OMG she was so much fun.

207 sngnsgt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:47:34pm

re: #197 realwest

Well damn good on you for sticking to it. And they are supposed to HELP US aren't they?!

I do hope everything gets going your way cash wise and medical assistance-wise immediately if not sooner!

What I'm looking forward to is the cash settlement from when I was first turned down for disability up until now, that's supposed to a be big chunk of change.

208 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:48:31pm

re: #203 Van Helsing

Nukes make the most sense. Currently they make the ONLY sense.
The electrical grid was designed to be and still is DEMAND driven - when more power is required you crank up another generator of whatever kind and switch it into the grid.

Solar and wind CURRENTLY (and for the foreseeable future) require a SUPPLY driven distribution and STORAGE system. We don't have a good way to store energy. It can be done, by pumping water into reservoirs and releasing it through turbines as hydro power does now. There is research being done into storing as heat to use later but the last I read there were some pretty horrific efficiency penalties with that.

Given all that, nukes make the most sense (still).

Harry Reid needs to grow up and let Yucca Mountain get finished and then we can use the power from the nuke plants to facilitate advances to something better.

When power gets too expensive and scarce? It will redefine the meaning of 'Dark Age'.

Even the founder of Greenpeace now agrees with you.

Nukes make the most sense.

209 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:48:33pm

re: #198 srb1976

Being installed friday!! insurance co. didn't even send an adjuster...just checked their lightning strike report...apparently the lightning strike 9.5 ft. from my front door was convincing enough = )

Woot! Good to hear.

210 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:49:05pm

Hey y'all - PLEASE don't forget that our friend pingjockey gets his PET Scan results tomorrow - Tuesday. I'm praying for him and hope you all will join in or at least send him your best wishes for great results on that Scan!

211 shiplord kirel  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:49:48pm

Space-X corporation's privately designed and funded Falcon rocket has successfully launched the Malaysian RazakSat satellite. This is the first commercial launch for the company, after 4 test flights. It has been a hard road, the first three failed to reach orbit before the last test succeeded with a dummy payload.
Space-X has big plans, very big plans, and has landed a NASA contract to provide both boosters and an orbital vehicle for ISS re-supply missions.

212 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:50:00pm

re: #205 FurryOldGuyJeans

Any Spencer apologists show up yet? (I just got here)

I'm sorry...

That Spencer turned out to be such a smuck.

213 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:50:52pm

re: #210 realwest

Hey y'all - PLEASE don't forget that our friend pingjockey gets his PET Scan results tomorrow - Tuesday. I'm praying for him and hope you all will join in or at least send him your best wishes for great results on that Scan!

Absolutely, Realwest. Pingjockey is already in my prayers. Please let him know that and send all my best wishes.

214 realwest  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:51:01pm

And although I doubt I'm gonna sleep all that well tonight, I gotta go to sleep NOW!
Hope you all have just a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

215 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:51:09pm

Complete non sequiter - I miss Frank...

216 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:51:16pm

re: #204 jcm

LOL!

The whole indoor plumbing thing is just arrogant imperialism!

And a flagrant display of cultural chauvinism! Clearly we lack empathy towards the plumbing values of the disenfranchised!

///

217 sngnsgt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:51:32pm

Ahh sh!t, I'm watching the local news here in Vegas, and some punk sprayed grafitti all ove the "Welcome to Fabulous Las Vegas" sign! :-(

218 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:51:49pm

re: #188 Pvt Bin Jammin

How are you?

219 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:51:57pm

re: #198 srb1976

Being installed friday!! insurance co. didn't even send an adjuster...just checked their lightning strike report...apparently the lightning strike 9.5 ft. from my front door was convincing enough = )

Good to hear no adjuster is needed, but definitely not good having a lightning strike hit so close. Almost as bad as one stormy day in Millington, TN during my Navy A School days; having a jacked-up truck with 8 foot fiber-glass antennas two vehicles away from me in the barracks parking lot take a lightning strike during a rain storm. Hot molten metal fragments from the guy's $2,000 truck stereo system flew EVERYWHERE.

220 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:52:28pm

re: #214 realwest

You are in my prayers too, Realwest, best of luck tomorrow.

221 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:52:37pm

re: #212 jcm

I'm sorry...

That Spencer turned out to be such a smuck.

Sorry for what? That I just arrived?

You accusing me of being a Spencer apologist, eh? ;)

222 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:53:09pm

re: #214 realwest

And although I doubt I'm gonna sleep all that well tonight, I gotta go to sleep NOW!
Hope you all have just a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

God Bless RW.

Prayers for you and Ping re. and the testing coming up.

223 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:53:34pm

re: #211 shiplord kirel

Space-X corporation's privately designed and funded Falcon rocket has successfully launched the Malaysian RazakSat satellite. This is the first commercial launch for the company, after 4 test flights. It has been a hard road, the first three failed to reach orbit before the last test succeeded with a dummy payload.
Space-X has big plans, very big plans, and has landed a NASA contract to provide both boosters and an orbital vehicle for ISS re-supply missions.

Excellent news. I've neglected staying up to date with Space-X after they had mating issues with a payload they were supposed to launch.

Glad they got it right!

224 Floral Giraffe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:53:36pm

re: #206 Pvt Bin Jammin

You should go visit!
I will really miss my weekly visits with Uncle!
Such a horrible disease.

225 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:55:01pm

re: #218 NY Nana

I am fine, thanks. I survived the insurance audit & don't know why it even stressed me out. I hope you are feeling better {{nana}}.

226 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:55:54pm

re: #211 shiplord kirel

Space-X corporation's privately designed and funded Falcon rocket has successfully launched the Malaysian RazakSat satellite. This is the first commercial launch for the company, after 4 test flights. It has been a hard road, the first three failed to reach orbit before the last test succeeded with a dummy payload.
Space-X has big plans, very big plans, and has landed a NASA contract to provide both boosters and an orbital vehicle for ISS re-supply missions.

Sounds like the early, early days of NASA when their rockets kept blowing up on the pads. Alan Shepard was a real hero for being fool enough to get on top of one of those things.

227 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:56:55pm

re: #221 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sorry for what? That I just arrived?

You accusing me of being a Spencer apologist, eh? ;)

You showed up looking for an apology on a Spencer thread... now you are very defensive about the whole thing...

///

Evening FOGJ!

228 srb1976  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:57:03pm

Her Royal Stoutness just woke up SCREAMING...nothing wrong, maybe a bad dream, but putting her back to bed has started her on a world class tantrum...complete with the stomping of tiny, tiny feet (for all the effect it has)...it's really very funny...

229 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:57:13pm

re: #223 Van Helsing

re: #211 shiplord kirel

Excellent news. I've neglected staying up to date with Space-X after they had mating issues with a payload they were supposed to launch.

Glad they got it right!

Did they try e-Harmony?

/

230 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 10:59:20pm

re: #229 Fenway_Nation

Did they try e-Harmony?

/

Heh.
Good chuckle outta that one!
That whole phallic space program thing...
Innuendos that I read about somewhere! Yeah, that's it. Read about. Could have been congressional testimony...

231 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:00:01pm

re: #224 Floral Giraffe

When she was 20 miles away we used to go at least once a week. I played bingo with those folks. We even had permission to bring her to our house for the weekend, which is something her son won't do anymore but we are bad lately. I'm not really a Los Angeles freeway driver any longer. My hubby is, but he has not been well. We're going to do it.

232 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:00:06pm

re: #227 jcm

You showed up looking for an apology on a Spencer thread... now you are very defensive about the whole thing...

///

Evening FOGJ!

I wanted to flame anyone that wanted to apologize for the rat bastard, not look for an apology, ya dimwit!

// Evening, yerself, jcm! ;)

233 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:01:17pm

re: #232 FurryOldGuyJeans

I wanted to flame anyone that wanted to apologize for the rat bastard, not look for an apology, ya dimwit!

// Evening, yerself, jcm! ;)

LOL!

Good, hope you enjoyed our summer last Saturday!

234 srb1976  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:01:31pm

re: #224 Floral Giraffe

You should go visit!
I will really miss my weekly visits with Uncle!
Such a horrible disease.

My great-grandmother died a few years ago, at the end of a long fight with Alzheimers...it was very, very hard to visit her (selfish I know), because watching her decline was awful...she had a couple really good days right towards the end, and I am glad that little man got to meet her (though he won't remember)...but it was very hard to reconcile the frail, tiny woman in the hospital bed with the memaw that I knew growing up...
(sorry, don't mean to be depressing...)

235 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:02:53pm

Yikes, $687,000 for one (1) Amtrak car.

236 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:04:04pm

re: #234 srb1976

I'm glad you had those few good days.

237 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:04:45pm

re: #233 jcm

LOL!

Good, hope you enjoyed our summer last Saturday!

Summer?!? When the *bleep* did we have Summer? We had a late Spring day last weekend.

238 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:04:47pm

re: #225 Pvt Bin Jammin

I survived the insurance audit & don't know why it even stressed me out. I hope you are feeling better {{nana}}.

We must be twins, separated at birth! I always stress out over anything, just about, and afterwards? I smack myself for being so dumb. ;)

The med is not doing very much, and today is Day 58 of not being able to get out. It is almost funny...the first day I took it, I felt better...that was a one-day thing. The MD says to stay on it for a few weeks. What really makes me livid is that instead of the generic med, that would have cost $7.00 for 30 days...the proprietary is $80.00 for 15 days.

NY Grampa went for the 12-week checkup, and I was not able to. MD said he was sorry that he forgot to state generic.

239 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:05:23pm

re: #235 Gus 802

Yikes, $687,000 for one (1) Amtrak car.

That's not even off the line. That's for a car refitting.

240 ThingFish  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:05:25pm

re: #215 Van Helsing

I agree!
Only discovered him a couple of years ago... I can only imagine what he would have to say these days.

241 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:06:12pm

re: #235 Gus 802

Yikes, $687,000 for one (1) Amtrak car.

Sounds like a bargain...

Given ST's current estimates for structured guideways, these extensions are expected to cost somewhere on the order of $250m per mile...
242 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:07:09pm

I know there was a topic for this thread and this isn't it: Look! Something shiny!

243 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:07:36pm

re: #237 FurryOldGuyJeans

Summer?!? When the *bleep* did we have Summer? We had a late Spring day last weekend.

*checks Seattle Annual Rain Festival (Jan. 1 - Dec. 31) Schedule*

Dang, you're right!

244 srb1976  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:08:52pm

re: #236 Pvt Bin Jammin

I'm glad you had those few good days.

Me too, she even seemed to have some idea of who Little Man was...the littles had always been so important to her, it was nice that she got to meet her great-great grandson (how many people get to say that?)

245 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:09:16pm

re: #241 jcm

And those are official numbers? Because you know official numbers usually go up by almot 2X. In the end it will probably be 500 million per mile.

246 Floral Giraffe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:09:22pm

re: #234 srb1976

My nephew wanted to go see his Great Uncle, we went 4 days before he passed. He looked like he was sleeping peacefully. No pain, just no will left to live. They called at 5 to tell us they were starting Morphine, and he was gone at 9. I'm VERY grateful it was easy for him. I will miss visiting, though...

247 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:09:25pm

re: #238 NY Nana

We must be twins, separated at birth! I always stress out over anything, just about, and afterwards? I smack myself for being so dumb. ;)

The med is not doing very much, and today is Day 58 of not being able to get out. It is almost funny...the first day I took it, I felt better...that was a one-day thing. The MD says to stay on it for a few weeks. What really makes me livid is that instead of the generic med, that would have cost $7.00 for 30 days...the proprietary is $80.00 for 15 days.

NY Grampa went for the 12-week checkup, and I was not able to. MD said he was sorry that he forgot to state generic.

OMG I hope it starts working again. Some things have to build up in your system for awhile (I am telling this to a nurse, lol). Hope you can get the generic or perhaps get it from Canada. Get better soon, {nana}.

248 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:09:30pm

re: #240 ThingFish

I started listening to Zappa in 1970. A brilliant musician he was. Died way too young (50, IIRC) of prostate cancer.

Let that be a lesson to you gentlemen... When you get old, have a trained professional stick a finger up your butt.

It could save your life.

249 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:10:08pm

re: #239 Gus 802

I'd like to think that this is right in my wheelhouse, but in all honesty, I can't think of any remaining passenger car manufacturers here in the states. Colorado Railcar shut their doors for good back in December as far as I know, Amtrak, the Alaska Railroad and various commuter agencies across the country get their new passenger cars from Bombardier (Canada), Daewoo (S. Korea) or Kawasaki (Japan).

250 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:10:30pm

re: #243 jcm

I know that schedule! I lived there for the first 19 years of my life.

251 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:10:54pm

re: #243 jcm

*checks Seattle Annual Rain Festival (Jan. 1 - Dec. 31) Schedule*

Dang, you're right!

The Seattle Rain Festival runs from May 1st to April 30th, or has Mayor numbnuts gone all Imperious yet again?

252 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:11:27pm

re: #251 FurryOldGuyJeans

Absolutely Julian.

253 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:12:44pm

re: #244 srb1976

Me too, she even seemed to have some idea of who Little Man was...the littles had always been so important to her, it was nice that she got to meet her great-great grandson (how many people get to say that?)

I love it. You can tell him all about it when he's older. I never met any of my "greats" & even missed out on one of my grandmothers. I often wonder about her. All I know is that my Dad adored her.

254 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:13:46pm

re: #251 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Seattle Rain Festival runs from May 1st to April 30th, or has Mayor numbnuts gone all Imperious yet again?

Santa didn't drown last year...
He's got to prove he's relevant.

255 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:14:18pm

re: #235 Gus 802

Yikes, $687,000 for one (1) Amtrak car.

$1.3 billion stimulus monies went towards that refitting, 81 passenger cars total.

Amtrak unveils first rail car funded by stimulus

256 jcm  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:14:58pm

Night Honcos!

The essential characteristic of Western civilization that distinguishes it from the arrested and petrified civilizations of the East was and is its concern for freedom from the state. The history of the West, from the age of the Greek polis down to the present-day resistance to socialism, is essentially the history of the fight for liberty against the encroachments of the officeholders.
Ludwig Von Mises

257 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:16:02pm

re: #256 jcm

Sweet dreams. Loved the quote.

258 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:16:27pm

re: #255 FurryOldGuyJeans

$1.3 billion stimulus monies went towards that refitting, 81 passenger cars total.

Amtrak unveils first rail car funded by stimulus

I'm sure it will be spent efficiently.

//

259 sngnsgt  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:16:49pm

re: #242 Van Helsing

LOL! I love the video there of Obama getting snubbed for handshakes, too funny!

260 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:17:26pm

re: #258 Gus 802

I'm sure it will be spent efficiently.

//

Efficiency is no longer the concern, just throwing out gobs of cash is.

261 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:18:12pm

re: #247 Pvt Bin Jammin

OMG I hope it starts working again. Some things have to build up in your system for awhile (I am telling this to a nurse, lol). Hope you can get the generic or perhaps get it from Canada. Get better soon, {nana}.

Dr. Dearest said that it takes time to work. Ironically, up until the change in our Medicare almost all my meds were from Canada. Generics are not that cheap, but the proprietary? About 1/3 as expensive.

Got to go to sleep! I am actually tired for once.

Sweet dreams and g'nite, Lizards!

{{{{{{ Pvt bin Jammin}}}}}}

262 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:21:26pm

re: #261 NY Nana

Dr. Dearest said that it takes time to work. Ironically, up until the change in our Medicare almost all my meds were from Canada. Generics are not that cheap, but the proprietary? About 1/3 as expensive.

Got to go to sleep! I am actually tired for once.

Sweet dreams and g'nite, Lizards!

{{{ Pvt bin Jammin}}}

Hopefully you can get the generic. I'd better go to bed too. You know how us wimpy Californians are. LOL

Sweet dreams and g'nite too to all of you lizards.


{{{NY Nana}}}

263 Floral Giraffe  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:21:44pm

Good night, Lizards!
"See" you tomorrow!

264 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:21:46pm

re: #260 FurryOldGuyJeans

Efficiency is no longer the concern, just throwing out gobs of cash is.

Just throw the money out into the wind and see where it lands.

And we just hit a record 1 trillion dollar deficit and they're talking 2 trillion by fall. And that's just the budget deficit.

265 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:22:38pm

Oops: Obama's Teleprompter Breaks Mid-Speech
The president has been criticized for relying too heavily on his teleprompter for routine remarks and the device has become jokingly known as "TOTUS."

maybe this has already been posted...but as I was reading it, I thought, maybe this guy has been totally manufactured, he has no clue about the damage he is doing, he is just a "reader"...he's really not the man behind the curtain...he's the puppet and he believes his own bullshit.

266 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:23:01pm

re: #263 Floral Giraffe

Nite {{Floral}} "weet dreams.

267 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:23:10pm
And it’s frankly ridiculous for Spencer to write as though I have no idea what’s going on in Iraq when he thinks a political speech for domestic consumption overrides the fact that for years Maliki has been at war not against us but with us against our mutual enemies.

And Robert wonders why other experts and writers don't want to appear with him.

268 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:23:19pm

Only with Dems could being embroiled in a scandal be considered a good thing:

Murtha flap has Rep. Dicks justifying own behavior
Les Blumenthal; McClatchy Newspapers
Published: 07/12/09 8:06 pm | Updated: 07/13/09 6:44 am

WASHINGTON – With the current chairman under fire for his connections to a lobbying firm under FBI investigation, Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., could be in line to take over the chairmanship of the House panel that oversees Pentagon funding.

But even as that possibility looms, Dicks himself faces increased scrutiny for his relationship to the lobbying firm at the heart of the investigation. So far, Dicks hasn’t been sucked into the latest earmark-campaign contribution scandal on Capitol Hill, though he and a handful of other lawmakers have skated around the edges.

269 Gus 802  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:23:54pm

Hasta later -- I need to get my mind off of the national debacle.

270 Van Helsing  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:23:55pm

re: #240 ThingFish

I agree!
Only discovered him a couple of years ago... I can only imagine what he would have to say these days.

Even before my time. For your amusement - Zappa plays Schwinn...

271 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:25:12pm

Sweet dreams, Gus.

272 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:26:14pm

re: #264 Gus 802

Just throw the money out into the wind and see where it lands.

And we just hit a record 1 trillion dollar deficit and they're talking 2 trillion by fall. And that's just the budget deficit.

June had a $94.32 BILLION deficit, just flipping June!!!

273 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:29:16pm

The Alaska Railroad is considering an extention from the current end-of-track at North Pole to Delta Jct...this would provide a railway link to Fort Greeley as well as servicing the mining and argicutlural industries around Delta Jct. The initial price tag is supposed to be $400 million...

It would be a pretty telling if the Amtrak facilities in Biden's home state get $1.3 billion in stimulus funds while the only railroad in Palin's home state is told to go fuck off...

/The Delta Jct. project could be funded without stimulus moneys as far as I know...

274 ThingFish  Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:44:12pm

re: #270 Van Helsing

Thanks! That was great.

275 Ursus Maritimus  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:25:19am

I belive Maliki has absolutely zero attachment to democracy, liberty, or good relations with the US. He is 100% attached to his own power.

Just like the Pakistanis were happy to receive Billions and Billions from the US to pass on to the Mujahedin, but always used the Billions to strengthen their own position: And as soon as they thought that no more Billions would be forthcoming, started to use the US Billions they got previous to give to groups that would attack the US.

If Maliki thinks he keeps more power by inciting Iraqis against the US or allowing and encouraging Iraqi media to peddle anti-american hate he will do so without a seconds hesitation.

276 pygmalienation  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:11:09am

re: #234 srb1976

So sorry for your loss. Alzheimers is indeed a terrible disease. I just lost my dad to it on 11 June-- just 9 days shy of his 80th birthday, I was so thankful that we could have him at home surrounded by loved ones when he passed.

277 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:21:35am

Spencer's anti-reality crusade gets dumber each day.

278 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:32:38am

Totten is right on here. Also, who can blame the iraqis for wanting to see thier incredible move from slaves to freedom as anything less than a victory??

279 mph  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:10:23am

Muslims! Arghhh!!!

280 shortshrift  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:10:46am

Hmm.
Did anyone else get that sinking feeling when the new Iraqi constitution subjected itself to Sharia?
At that point I had to satisfy myself that the goal of regime change, for which we could claim victory, and been won literally, but not in the wider sense of bringing freedom through democracy. Democracy - despite purple fingers - in Iraq is probably going to go the same way as other Arab countries.
The west seems happy to collude in the "rhetorical bones" of Arab leaders, not realizing the extent to which a lie can substitute for fact in the Arab mind. See the "victories" of Hamas and Hizbollah.
Totten is a fine reporter. He is not a learned analyst of politics in Iraq. He does not have an agenda, except to the extent that he wants not to see American efforts (so closely witnessed) go to waste.
Spencer is a fine analyst of Islam. He has no political insight at all.

281 Yashmak  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:16:44am

It was pretty obvious when I read the articles on this statement by Al Maliki, that the "victory" he was referring to was that of the Iraqi people in assuming responsibility for their own security.

I can't imagine that any other person in the position he occupies WOULDN'T consider that a victory.


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