Anti-Abortion Kooks Interrupt Sotomayor Hearing

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Politics • Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 11:39 am PDT • Views: 266

Here we go; the extreme wing of the anti-abortion movement has been whipping itself into a lather over Sonia Sotomayor, and they apparently managed to sneak at least two people into the hearing: Second Antiabortion Heckler Interrupts Sotomayor Hearing.

Another antiabortion activist disrupted the confirmation hearing of Judge Sonia Sotomayor, yelling, “Abortion is murder!” in both English and Spanish.

Wearing a red polo shirt and a pony tail, he was escorted out of the room by Capitol Police after interrupting the statement of Sen. Richard Durbin (D., Ill.).

Again Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D., Vt.) banged his gavel, shouting, “You are guests of the Senate! Everybody here is the guest of the Senate. Judge Sotomayor deserves the respect to be heard. The senators have the respect to be heard.”

An earlier heckler interrupted the opening statement of Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.) by yelling, “Senator, what about the unborn? Abortion is murder!”

Theocrat anti-abortion activist Randall Terry issued a statement that any politicians who vote in favor of Sotomayor will have “blood on their hands.”

UPDATE at 7/14/09 12:20:22 pm:

Here's the live video stream from Senate.gov:

[Live video moved to more recent thread...]

My problem watching this hearing is that I keep dozing off during the long questions full of meandering digressions and self-aggrandizing statements.

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1 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:42:31am

Kook?

(Let the games begin.)

2 livefreeor die  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:42:37am

Note to Senate security-
If it looks like a hippie, it's going to act like a hippie.

3 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:42:43am

we sure have our whackos, too

code pinkos are no fun either

4 mrbaracuda  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:43:14am

Oooh, also in Spanish.

5 davinvalkri  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:43:32am

Oh great, like that side of the abortion debate needs any more wackos. Where are you at this hour, Buckley, America hath need of thee!

6 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:44:52am

Not the way for anyone to get their point across.

You cannot gain respect for your position, if you are unable to respect the decorum of others.

I really hate it when idiots are on the same side of an issue as I am.

7 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:44:55am

"settled law."

8 Wendya  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:44:56am

re: #3 quiet man

we sure have our whackos, too

code pinkos are no fun either

There is a time and place for everything. The confirmation hearing of a SCOTUS nominee isn't the place to agitate. Just because the congress shows us little respect doesn't mean we need to return the favor during Sotomayor's hearing.

9 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:45:09am
Theocrat anti-abortion activist Randall Terry issued a statement that any politicians who vote in favor of Sotomayor will have “blood on their hands.”


Somebody please get the hook for this guy. Please. I'm begging here.

10 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:45:21am

re: #2 livefreeor die

Note to Senate security-
If it looks like a hippie, it's going to act like a hippie.

Problem is, this last guy (15 or so minutes ago) was white, middle aged, clean shaven and in a suit and tie

11 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:45:49am

America is a different kind of place...the guy will be on Ophra Winfrey soon

12 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:45:53am

Hint to Capitol Security:

Wearing a red polo shirt and a pony tail...

There are signs.

13 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:46:13am

re: #9 capitalist piglet

so true.

as for the govcops..
The pony tail made him look like a liberal..But the Polo shirt should have given him away

14 Buck  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:46:27am

re: #12 DaddyG

Hint to Capitol Security:

There are signs.

Profiler!

15 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:47:08am

re: #14 Buck

did you misspell that?

got your l and f mixed up

16 KenJen  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:47:13am

re: #10 sattv4u2

Problem is, this last guy (15 or so minutes ago) was white, middle aged, clean shaven and in a suit and tie

They should have tazed him. Bro.
/

17 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:47:33am

re: #14 Buck

Profiler!


Coiffurist!

18 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:47:50am

re: #16 KenJen

They should have tazed him. Bro.
/

while waterboarding him!

19 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:47:54am

re: #16 KenJen
A testicular taze might not have worked...

20 brainsample  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:48:07am

Gee, maybe the anti-abortion "kooks" are taking a page from the environmental "kooks", the feminist "kooks", the anti-war "kooks". If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

21 KingKenrod  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:48:18am

These hearings are nothing but a circus, why not throw in some clowns?

22 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:48:25am
23 srb1976  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:48:35am

This kind of thing is ridiculous, these people are not helping their cause. It almost makes you wonder who's side they are really on?

24 Buck  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:48:36am

re: #15 quiet man

did you misspell that?

got your l and f mixed up

That is funny, but no... I meant that he would allow PROFILING. But you noticed something I didn't...

25 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:48:47am

re: #20 brainsample

well, the lifestyle is rather beckoning and seductive...

/sarc

26 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:48:53am

Anyone starting to miss "Code Pink"? BTW, where is Cindy Sheehan these days? She's been awfully quiet since she got her head handed to her in the November election.

27 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:49:04am

Fitting pusnishment: Cut off the guy's pony tail and dip him in camel urine.

28 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:49:25am

re: #26 calcajun
Momma Moonbat disappeared after threatening Nanci Pelosi

29 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:49:40am

re: #18 sattv4u2

while waterboarding him!

Taze and braise? A new cooking technique for the Food Network.

30 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:49:58am

re: #27 HelloDare
Tell him we are doing this for the children, right?

31 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:50:01am

re: #27 HelloDare

Fitting pusnishment: Cut off the guy's pony tail and dip him in camel urine.

Why? Does he have cancer?

32 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:50:40am

re: #31 Mad Al-Jaffee

a mental cancer seemed to have eaten his self control and moral judgement

poor bastard

33 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:50:52am
34 Baier  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:51:14am

IF I YELL I AM TAKEN SERIOUSLY!/

Seriously?

35 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:51:21am

Here comes the nunchuk issue. Feingold's grilling her on the 2nd amendment.

36 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:51:43am

The whole Roe vs Wade deal is such a losing proposition for the Republicans. This should not be a major plank in their political platform. If a family is anti-abortion, they have the duty and right to teach their children to behave accordingly. If they attend a church, synagogue, or mosque that preaches this message, by all means they should worship in the place of their choice, but don't preach to everyone else. If the Republicans continue to make this a MAIN issue, they'll continue to do poorly with many Blacks and a lot of Jews. If the Repubs could peel off 10% of each of those two voting blocks, the party will make a huge comeback. But if they continue to pander to the religious right on the abortion issue, they will be screwed.

37 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:51:51am

re: #26 calcajun

Anyone starting to miss "Code Pink"? BTW, where is Cindy Sheehan these days? She's been awfully quiet since she got her head handed to her in the November election.

If you look at the results, she actually did well compared to the other candidates aside from pelosi. Cindy beat the Republican

With all precincts reporting, preliminary election results showed House Speaker Pelosi with 72 percent of the vote. Sheehan, who appeared on the ballot as an independent, garnered 17 percent support.

Republican Dana Walsh received 9 percent of the vote and Libertarian Philip Berg received 2 percent.

38 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:51:52am

re: #28 quiet man

Are we talking about "Leave the car. Take the cannoli" disappear or just fading into well-earned obscurity?

39 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:52:23am
40 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:53:31am

She said she would interpret any 2nd amendment cases "in the context of relevant state law."

41 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:53:43am

re: #33 Iron Fist She faded...but like a very old salami, I am betting she makes her presence known again..


re: #38 calcajun

Mama is divorced..so hard to tell who she is sleeping with.

42 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:54:21am

mixed responses there.

43 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:54:51am
44 ointmentfly  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:55:00am

Attention anti abortion loons... Please form your own party. Your stain on the GOP is a large reason we have Barak Obama in office who is currently giving our entire economic system to Goldman Sachs, GE and China...

45 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:55:39am

re: #41 quiet man

Huh? Non sequitur there. That was a reference to "The Godfather".

46 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:56:17am

re: #45 calcajun I got that...tho I was thinking Sopranos..

47 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:56:26am

re: #39 Iron Fist

T-ball, more like.

48 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:56:58am

re: #44 ointmentfly
You know, in a way, they have formed their own party..they are single issue voters for the most part.

49 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:57:05am

re: #2 livefreeor die

Note to Senate security-
If it looks like a hippie, it's going to act like a hippie.

That's profiling.

/Says the conservative with better and longer hair than Fabio.

50 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:57:27am

re: #49 CyanSnowHawk

On your head??

51 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:57:53am

re: #36 _RememberTonyC

re: #43 Iron Fist

It's even stranger than that. I sit and talk to my black freinds, co-workers and aquantances and on EVERY single issue, taken individually, they are by and large conservative Yet when they hit the voting booths they overwhelmingly and reflexively vote liberal

52 Spartacus50  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:58:20am

immediately shipped off to the Gulag, no doubt

53 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:58:27am
54 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:58:42am
55 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:58:49am

Senate is rich?
House is a fair?
We like to hear our own sound,
blowing hot air.
Confirm the clowns.

Who made that hiss?
They don't approve?
One who protests all around,
living to lose.
Where are the clowns?
confirm the clowns.

Just when I'd stopped voting for whores,
Finally knowing the one we elected; a jerk,
Expecting nominees to be the worst of the worst,
But his last picks,
No worse for wear.

Don't you love farce?
My fault I fear.
The only kooks that I see ranting.
Snuck in the rear.
But where are the clowns?
Quick, confirm the clowns.
Don't bother, they're here.

Aren't they all rich?
Legislature,
Pontificating this late
In the hearing?
And where are the clowns?
confirm the clowns.
Well, for 4 more years.

56 davinvalkri  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:58:59am

re: #52 Spartacus50

What gulag? Come on man, let's not exaggerate here.

57 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:59:49am

re: #53 Iron Fist
if she is fibbing, she can always say she just meant the *free* states...
not the other continental 48..(or 55 to an obamatron)

58 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:59:53am

re: #43 Iron Fist

It is interesting that blacks vote that way. If you look at raw numbers abortion is almost at a genocide level in the black community. I guess they vote for it because they use it, but you'd think the black churches (such a huge mover in the Civil Rights movement) would say something on the issue.

I haven't done a ton of research on the issue, so I'm basically going by my own gut with regard to the Black community and the issue of abortion. But it stands to reason that if a group partakes of a certain right (like abortion) in large numbers, then it logically follows that many in the community want to continue to have that right. As for the Jews, I can speak from more familiarity. Every Jewish female I know has much in common with Repubs, but ALL of them are pro choice. And that issue is so important to them that it prevents them from pulling the lever for Republican candidates.

59 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:00:28pm

Seems to me if Jane Roe was still pro-abortion and showed up to protest a pro-life nominee she'd have been treated as a conquering heroine by the media.

Alas, she's no longer useful.

60 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:00:47pm

re: #40 Charles

She said she would interpret any 2nd amendment cases "in the context of relevant state law."

eh -
Is she supposed to?
Or is she saying she will look to see if the relevant state law is constitutional?

61 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:01:01pm

Heh. Feingold just tossed her the world's softest softball: "Explain to us how you would be empathetic to the common rural folk."

(Paraphrasing Feingold's question.)

62 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:01:23pm

I am a common rural folk!!

63 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:01:25pm
64 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:01:55pm

My God, the All-Star game is on tonight and we're talking about this !

What the hell is wrong with you people ?

/shiny things

65 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:01:55pm

I am common folk!

Not rural, though.

66 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:02:06pm

re: #61 Charles

Heh. Feingold just tossed her the world's softest softball: "Explain to us how you would be empathetic to the common rural folk."

Ask her what she thinks of Honcos.

67 davinvalkri  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:02:08pm

re: #61 Charles

Common rural folk? Oy, Sotomayor, how about the rest of us?!

68 Wendya  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:02:12pm

re: #53 Iron Fist

Which is a degree of State's Rights supremacy we haven't seen argued since basically the Civil War, where such issues were pretty solidly settled. We are seeing some relevent move towards that on the Right, though, right now so it will be interesting to watch what she does. I believe Texas and Idaho are working on passing laws that basically invalidate all Federal gun laws in their state.

She's basically said she's OK with that. Well, if she's OK with it, I guess I'm in. All I need to do is get Tennessee to do the same, and I can by that M-249 SAW I've wanted since I was 15.

Montana passed the Firearms Freedom Act that basically says if a firearm is produced in Montana for use in Montana by citizens of Montana, the feds can't regulate them.

[Link: data.opi.mt.gov...]

69 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:02:16pm

re: #60 reine.de.tout

eh -
Is she supposed to?
Or is she saying she will look to see if the relevant state law is constitutional?

It was a long complicated question -- that was the end of it. I'm sure there'll be a video clip of it soon.

70 srb1976  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:02:18pm

ot/
Wow...a day off...better half working in his shop...both kids fell asleep
I don't know how to act = )

71 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:02:42pm

re: #67 davinvalkri

No empathy for you!

Like the empathy nazi

72 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:02:57pm
73 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:02:58pm

re: #53 Iron Fist

HOLD THE WALLS!

Image: m249.JPG

74 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:03:18pm
75 Shug  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:03:20pm

Honco bad
Rural common folk good

76 Flyers1974  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:03:24pm

re: #36 _RememberTonyC

I have serious doubts as to whether the abortion issue has much to do with how blacks vote. Haven't seen any polls on the question, my evidence is strictly anecdotal.

77 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:03:30pm

re: #61 Charles

Heh. Feingold just tossed her the world's softest softball: "Explain to us how you would be empathetic to the common rural folk."

like Feingold is to her gardener?

78 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:03:44pm

re: #50 quiet man

On your head??

Nobody would accuse me, of Norwegian descent, of having tribbles under my arms.

79 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:03:59pm

re: #61 Charles

Hey Russ, the idea isn't to be empathetic to anyone. It's to be a fair and impartial jurist.

Nice to see that he understands the role of the US Supreme Court though. /

80 davinvalkri  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:04:02pm

re: #71 quiet man

No empathy for you!

Like the empathy nazi

Or the empathy commissar. Probably a slightly better fit. Even though it loses the Seinfeld reference.

81 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:04:07pm

I'm common urban folk, but just a short drive and I can be rural.

82 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:04:12pm

re: #26 calcajun

Anyone starting to miss "Code Pink"? BTW, where is Cindy Sheehan these days? She's been awfully quiet since she got her head handed to her in the November election.

They are waiting for their cut of the stimulus package.

83 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:04:15pm

re: #63 Iron Fist

I've seen the same thing with black friends and acquaintences. I'd understand it if the Democrats had been, say, the antislavery party in the Civil War, but they were the pro-slavery party. The same is true during the Civil Rights era. All of the major anti-deseggregation figures were Democrats. When they cry "Selma", they conviently forget Bull Connor was a Democrat.

I really do not get it.


there are several things at work here. Roe vs Wade is a big one. The media's portrayal of Republicans as "anti minority" is another. And in the case of the Jewish community, the pandering by the Republicans to the very conservative Christian groups (that means you, Mike Huckabee) gives them pause.

84 Spartacus50  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:04:24pm

re: #56 davinvalkri

What gulag? Come on man, let's not exaggerate here.

we know it as Michigan; the end result of liberalism

85 Shug  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:04:27pm

We are all commoners

86 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:04:38pm

re: #77 Kenneth
People of the dirt..best represented by that classic move the grapes of wrath...(or maybe Carnivale

87 really grumpy big dog johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:04:41pm

There are no common rural folk, just like there is no such thing as abortion without consequence.

LGF'ers span the entire range of beliefs on this issue, but it will never go away.

88 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:04:57pm
89 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:05:01pm

re: #61 Charles

Heh. Feingold just tossed her the world's softest softball: "Explain to us how you would be empathetic to the common rural folk."


"Well Senator, I watched the movie Hoosiers like three times, and I loved Hee Haw."

90 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:05:12pm

re: #73 albusteve

HOLD THE WALLS!

[Link: www.cqbarms.com...]

Mmmm, 250 round belt magazine, easy change barrel, one mad minute or less. YMMV :)

91 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:05:27pm

Canadian special forces ops in Afstan


OTTAWA – Canada's elite special forces soldiers have been launching raids on enemy compounds to directly target insurgents making roadside bombs, the main killer of coalition troops in Afghanistan, the Toronto Star has learned.

Using intelligence gathered by Canadian spies on the ground in the troubled country, soldiers with Joint Task Force 2 and the special forces regiment are actively involved in going after the networks that produce the improvised explosive devices.

"The whole (Canadian Forces) is conscious of where their casualties are coming from and they've turned to a major effort to address it," Kenny said in an interview.

The elite troops have been working with agents from the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, who are also in the country, to help identify the locations where the bombs are made – and then launch operations to wipe them out.

I can hear Jack Layton reflexively whining already,

92 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:05:38pm

re: #61 Charles

Heh. Feingold just tossed her the world's softest softball: "Explain to us how you would be empathetic to the common rural folk."

She actually SAID "common rural folk"?

The condescending little *%$�!

The "common rural folk" can take care of themselves thank you very much. They don't need the "empathy" of the Supreme Court. What they need is for the government to get out of their pockets and off of their backs!

93 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:05:41pm

re: #89 _RememberTonyC

"Well Senator, I watched the movie Hoosiers like three times, and I loved Hee Haw."

How many teeth ya got?

94 srb1976  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:05:53pm

How horribly condescending..."common rural folk" wtf?

Most of this stuff doesn't even register on my indignant-o-meter, but that just drips with snobbery...and who says we "common rural folk" need or want "empathy"?

95 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:05:58pm

re: #61 Charles

Heh. Feingold just tossed her the world's softest softball: "Explain to us how you would be empathetic to the common rural folk."

Perhaps she will type in ALL CAPS for her rulings.
/

96 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:06:05pm

Feingold asked her how she could be empathetic to people who live in rural areas, since she lives in New York City. It was basically an opportunity for her to hype herself.

97 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:06:13pm

re: #76 Flyers1974

I have serious doubts as to whether the abortion issue has much to do with how blacks vote. Haven't seen any polls on the question, my evidence is strictly anecdotal.


and so is mine, but I tried to explain it in terms of not losing a right that many are used to having.

98 Annar  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:06:16pm

These hearings only show how many fine abortion opportunities were missed a few decades ago.

99 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:07:04pm

re: #89 _RememberTonyC

Can you image watching Hee Haw in spanish??

the mind reels

100 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:07:07pm
101 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:07:09pm

re: #92 CIA Reject

She actually SAID "common rural folk"?

The condescending little *%$&#!

The "common rural folk" can take care of themselves thank you very much. They don't need the "empathy" of the Supreme Court. What they need is for the government to get out of their pockets and off of their backs!

Uh no, actually -- that was my paraphrase of Feingold's question. He did use the word "rural."

102 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:07:54pm

re: #98 Annar

These hearings only show how many fine abortion opportunities were missed a few decades ago.

that kind sucks imo

103 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:08:03pm

Feingold represents Wisconsin. He is talking about people like my parents, I guess...but they wouldn't have wanted her empathy. They would have just wanted what we're all entitled to - equal justice under the law.

104 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:08:05pm

re: #101 Charles


Damn!! would have been major!

laughs

105 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:08:08pm

re: #61 Charles

Heh. Feingold just tossed her the world's softest softball: "Explain to us how you would be empathetic to the common rural folk."

Criminy--why didn't he just ask her what she thought of the serfs or the peons in fly-over country? How about, "Don't you pity the poor rubes?"

Methinks someone's been in Washington too long.

106 Gus  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:08:49pm

Common rural folks. That's not unlike what was brought up several days ago: backwoods folks. Or, as Obama once said,

You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them... So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

107 Flyers1974  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:09:07pm

re: #63 Iron Fist

I've seen the same thing with black friends and acquaintences. I'd understand it if the Democrats had been, say, the antislavery party in the Civil War, but they were the pro-slavery party. The same is true during the Civil Rights era. All of the major anti-deseggregation figures were Democrats. When they cry "Selma", they conviently forget Bull Connor was a Democrat.

I really do not get it.

Those Democrats had little or nothing in common with liberals. Republicans sided with southern Democrats regarding much of the civil rights legislation. LBJ famously said with respect to the civil rights legislation, something to the effect that the Democrats can now forget the south for a generation. And he was right, although since that time other factors have kept the Democrats from being competitive in the south, i.e., religion and guns.

108 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:09:15pm

re: #101 Charles

Uh no, actually -- that was my paraphrase of Feingold's question. He did use the word "rural."

Oh... Well my righteous indignation stands anyway! :-)

109 latingent  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:09:51pm

re: #53 Iron Fist

Which is a degree of State's Rights supremacy we haven't seen argued since basically the Civil War, where such issues were pretty solidly settled. We are seeing some relevent move towards that on the Right, though, right now so it will be interesting to watch what she does. I believe Texas and Idaho are working on passing laws that basically invalidate all Federal gun laws in their state.

She's basically said she's OK with that. Well, if she's OK with it, I guess I'm in. All I need to do is get Tennessee to do the same, and I can by that M-249 SAW I've wanted since I was 15.

Gun laws always seem to spawn some cool new thing. The necked down .416 Barrett comes to mind. Ban the 50 BMG and the .416 rises from the ashes. Pols that make gun laws never cease to amaze me with their total ignorance of gun owners and manufactures. Give us a law to `work around` and we`ll give you an improved version of the banned weapon or cartridge.

110 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:09:57pm

re: #108 CIA Reject
Lucky..mine slumped big time.

111 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:10:02pm

re: #93 debutaunt

How many teeth ya got?


ha. that reminds me of a really old joke:

Q: What has 32 legs and 53 teeth?
A: The front row of a Willie Nelson concert.

(Apologies to fans of WIllie)

112 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:10:02pm
113 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:10:39pm

re: #96 Charles

Feingold asked her how she could be empathetic to people who live in rural areas, since she lives in New York City. It was basically an opportunity for her to hype herself.

Empathetic?

Whoops, I replied above as though it were "Emphatic".

The question makes more sense with empathetic.

114 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:12:08pm

re: #112 Iron Fist

Oh, they are a sweet piece of kit. Fired and carried one on several occasions. It replaced our C2 up here which was a pig to carry and only fired 30 round mags. Some of the older ones tended to jam a lot.

115 brainsample  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:12:10pm

Remember Tony C - I disagree that making Roe a plank on a platform is a mistake. Polls show that the majority of Americans support the right to abortion, but also support strong restrictions. The Democrats pay lip service to the notion of limiting abortion and cry crocodile tears about it when the cameras are running, but their policy is full-throttle access to abortion, anytime, anywhere.

Second, as legal precedent, Roe is a disaster. This is a legislative issue, not a judicial one. Until it's hashed out in the state legislatures and Congress, the extremists on both ends of the issue will be the only ones who are heard.

Finally, if you think the GOP will survive or thrive without the support of social conservatives, good luck.

116 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:12:12pm

So it is not the heart of the wise Latina woman. It must be her brain.

117 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:12:15pm

re: #99 quiet man

Can you image watching Hee Haw in spanish??

the mind reels

Univision's programming department is working on it as we speak.

118 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:12:16pm

re: #111 _RememberTonyC

ha. that reminds me of a really old joke:

Q: What has 32 legs and 53 teeth?
A: The front row of a Willie Nelson concert.

(Apologies to fans of WIllie)

you bad. lol.

119 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:12:29pm

re: #108 CIA Reject

Oh... Well my righteous indignation stands anyway! :-)

See a doctor immediately if it does so for more than 4 hours.
/

120 Big Steve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:13:03pm

I have actually been impressed with Sonia Sotomayer's answers today. She does come across very intelligent. However, she does seem to have some nervous habits with her hands. I guess I would too if my future depended on the inane questions she is getting from both sides of the aisle.

121 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:13:17pm

They was looking back to see,
and she was looking back to see,
and her supporters were looking back to see
if she had scrubbed away all the camel pee..

122 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:13:21pm

re: #109 latingent

Gun laws always seem to spawn some cool new thing. The necked down .416 Barrett comes to mind. Ban the 50 BMG and the .416 rises from the ashes. Pols that make gun laws never cease to amaze me with their total ignorance of gun owners and manufactures. Give us a law to `work around` and we`ll give you an improved version of the banned weapon or cartridge.

Evolution?

123 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:13:22pm

re: #119 CyanSnowHawk

See a doctor immediately if it does so for more than 4 hours.
/

:-)

124 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:14:25pm

re: #120 Big Steve

I have actually been impressed with Sonia Sotomayer's answers today. She does come across very intelligent. However, she does seem to have some nervous habits with her hands. I guess I would too if my future depended on the inane questions she is getting from both sides of the aisle.

making imaginary tortillas...that's cool

125 Lincolntf  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:14:26pm

re: #106 Gus 802

That's one thing I never get about the Lefty elitists. They hate the notion of people living in rural communities, but then in the very next breath they're decrying the conditions in the slum complexes in the major cities like Chicago, etc.
Where the hell are we supposed to live?

On a different note Bernie Madoff just moved into my region, a federal prison in Butner NC. Hope he enjoys himself.

126 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:14:53pm

re: #3 quiet man

we sure have our whackos, too

code pinkos are no fun either

They're not my whackos.

Mine usually get hysterical about gun rights.

127 Big Steve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:15:05pm

re: #124 albusteve

making imaginary tortillas...that's cool

backing away from that comment...slowly...

128 dapperdave  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:15:09pm

Polo shirt!? gasp!... pony tail!?! don't taz me brother! ///

Just your typical lunch time drive by posting.

129 Syrah  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:15:10pm

So from what she has said, can we determine whether Sotomayer sees "justice" in the process of the law or in its results?

130 Gus  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:15:55pm

re: #116 HelloDare

So it is not the heart of the wise Latina woman. It must be her brain.

Not unlike Sigmund Freud, Heinz Kohut, or Carl Jung. Empathy provides the evidence that we are indeed dealing with "the brain here."

Liberal pop-psychology 101 sez: use the word "empathy" often. If given the chance, combine it with another buzz word from the 1980s such "eclectic." You can create impressive phrasing such as: "I am eclectic in my empathy toward other human beings."

//

131 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:16:02pm

Sounds like Kyl is setting her up for a later question.

132 oldschool  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:16:29pm

Truthfully kind of nice to see some kooks from there other side for once. Tired of Code Pink, Acorn, Greenpeace etc. Why should they have all the fun making fools of themselves. Nice to see the Dems on the other end of the stupidity for once. Just pop the popcorn and kick back.

133 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:16:37pm

re: #115 brainsample

Remember Tony C - I disagree that making Roe a plank on a platform is a mistake. Polls show that the majority of Americans support the right to abortion, but also support strong restrictions. The Democrats pay lip service to the notion of limiting abortion and cry crocodile tears about it when the cameras are running, but their policy is full-throttle access to abortion, anytime, anywhere.

Second, as legal precedent, Roe is a disaster. This is a legislative issue, not a judicial one. Until it's hashed out in the state legislatures and Congress, the extremists on both ends of the issue will be the only ones who are heard.

Finally, if you think the GOP will survive or thrive without the support of social conservatives, good luck.

if the GOP thrives with anti-abortion nuts, religious loonies, ans right wing race wackos it will thrive without me, that for sure

134 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:16:39pm

I haven't a clue about Sotomayor. At the moment, I couldn't care if I tried.

A sharp lesson: when stuff goes severely wrong, things you should care about go by the wayside.

I am not a happy camper. Excuse me.

135 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:17:17pm

re: #115 brainsample

Finally, if you think the GOP will survive or thrive without the support of social conservatives, good luck.

The problem is NOT surviving or thrive without the social conservatives, it's expanding BEYOND them, and as long as the polulace beleives that the GOP is run BY them, they will never attract the numbers needed

136 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:17:35pm

re: #134 Dianna

Thats when you need them most...

137 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:17:57pm
138 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:18:03pm

re: #135 sattv4u2

To say nothing of driving those of us who simply are not social conservatives away.

139 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:18:40pm

re: #127 Big Steve

backing away from that comment...slowly...

you have not lived until you have eaten home made tortillas...a delicacy where I come from...it's a compliment

140 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:20:21pm
141 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:20:31pm

re: #135 sattv4u2

Finally, if you think the GOP will survive or thrive without the support of social conservatives, good luck.

The problem is NOT surviving or thrive without the social conservatives, it's expanding BEYOND them, and as long as the polulace beleives that the GOP is run BY them, they will never attract the numbers needed

much better said

142 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:21:05pm

re: #140 taxfreekiller
Just random dots in fly over country

143 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:21:28pm

re: #115 brainsample

Remember Tony C - I disagree that making Roe a plank on a platform is a mistake. Polls show that the majority of Americans support the right to abortion, but also support strong restrictions. The Democrats pay lip service to the notion of limiting abortion and cry crocodile tears about it when the cameras are running, but their policy is full-throttle access to abortion, anytime, anywhere.

Second, as legal precedent, Roe is a disaster. This is a legislative issue, not a judicial one. Until it's hashed out in the state legislatures and Congress, the extremists on both ends of the issue will be the only ones who are heard.

Finally, if you think the GOP will survive or thrive without the support of social conservatives, good luck.


social conservatives should live their lives according to their morals and beliefs. they should not dictate their black and white belief that "abortion is murder" and expect those of us who are pro choice to feel great about it. If someone has an abortion in the first month or two of pregnancy, I do not feel it is murder. As for late term abortions, I do feel they are immoral unless the Mom's life is at stake. And I would never go along with the use of late term abortions as a form of birth control. But this issue is so divisive that if the Repubs retain it as a primary plank, all they'll be left with are the extreme social conservatives. And if that is all they have as their voting block, they ain't winning many national elections. This is just my opinion, but success in politics requires compromise. And the militant pro lifers by their very nature are not into compromise. And the Republican party panders to them at its own peril.

144 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:21:29pm

re: #139 albusteve

you have not lived until you have eaten home made tortillas...a delicacy where I come from...it's a compliment

Rarely have a chance to do that, but I do drop by the Mission Tortilla demonstration kitchen at Disney's California Adventure when I get a chance. They give you a fresh one out of the oven as you pass by and they are quite good.

145 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:21:37pm

Common Rural Folk = White People.

Giving her the opportunity to be equal...opportunity.

146 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:22:10pm

re: #145 Ben Hur
You got that right.

I missed that one

147 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:22:11pm

re: #141 albusteve

much better said


Thanks.. every so often I get two of my remaining brain cells to work in concert

148 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:22:42pm

re: #125 Lincolntf

That's one thing I never get about the Lefty elitists. They hate the notion of people living in rural communities, but then in the very next breath they're decrying the conditions in the slum complexes in the major cities like Chicago, etc.
Where the hell are we supposed to live?

On a different note Bernie Madoff just moved into my region, a federal prison in Butner NC. Hope he enjoys himself.


Here's a bigger paradox--the same people who praise the noble savage in contrast with us planet destroying moderns, then turn around and mock people in small towns, hicks and rednecks.
Hmm, maybe they just don't like Americans?

149 Flyers1974  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:23:10pm

re: #125 Lincolntf

That's one thing I never get about the Lefty elitists. They hate the notion of people living in rural communities, but then in the very next breath they're decrying the conditions in the slum complexes in the major cities like Chicago, etc.
Where the hell are we supposed to live?

On a different note Bernie Madoff just moved into my region, a federal prison in Butner NC. Hope he enjoys himself.

What do you think of Sarah Palin's remark regarding small towns being "real America?"

150 srb1976  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:23:23pm

re: #143 _RememberTonyC

What the "abortion is murder" folks forget, is that even murder (the killing of another human being) isn't completely banned in this country...there are always exceptions

151 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:23:43pm

re: #101 Charles

Russ needs to look at a frakking map of the US Second Circuit.

Upstate New York is rural outside the Big 5 cities (Albany, Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, and Utica) and among the poorest areas of the US . Vermont isn't exactly urban either. So, even though she's lived and worked in the NYC metro area, she's had cases from those areas.

You are right that it was a lameass attempt to give her a softball.

152 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:23:56pm

My problem watching this hearing is that I keep dozing off during the long questions full of meandering digressions and self-aggrandizing statements...

153 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:24:02pm

re: #116 HelloDare

So it is not the heart of the wise Latina woman. It must be her brain.

Or maybe her courage. There's no place like home.

154 Gretchen  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:24:05pm
Remember Tony C - I disagree that making Roe a plank on a platform is a mistake. Polls show that the majority of Americans support the right to abortion, but also support strong restrictions. The Democrats pay lip service to the notion of limiting abortion and cry crocodile tears about it when the cameras are running, but their policy is full-throttle access to abortion, anytime, anywhere.

Second, as legal precedent, Roe is a disaster. This is a legislative issue, not a judicial one. Until it's hashed out in the state legislatures and Congress, the extremists on both ends of the issue will be the only ones who are heard.

Finally, if you think the GOP will survive or thrive without the support of social conservatives, good luck.


Yes exactly, we have extremists, the Democrats have extremists, except the news media refers to lefty loons as "moderates".


OT - Why is congress shocked to find out the CIA was trying to kill terrorist? I kind of thought that was the whole plan, and it was so elemementary Nancy Pelosi wouldn't need to be briefed on it. I knew about it.OT - Why is congress shocked to find out the CIA was trying to kill terrorist? I kind of thought that was the whole plan, and it was so elemementary Nancy Pelosi wouldn't need to be briefed on it. I knew about it.

155 soxfan4life  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:24:14pm

re: #40 Charles

She said she would interpret any 2nd amendment cases "in the context of relevant state law."


The Court protects free speech and other first amendment rights from the states, but do the exact opposite for the second amendment. Shouldn't every one of rights be treated equally? Especially by the Supreme Court.

156 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:24:47pm
"Precisely. We apply law to facts, not emotions."
- Judge Sotomayor

How embarrassing and demeaning these moronic political questions would be for an eminent jurist.

157 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:24:48pm

re: #140 taxfreekiller

On rural folk.

these D.C. wimps have no need of us, until they get the U.S.A. in a
shooting war to the death,,,

then, they draft us,

f'n pus---'s

I can't ding that up enough.

158 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:25:10pm

re: #150 srb1976

What the "abortion is murder" folks forget, is that even murder (the killing of another human being) isn't completely banned in this country...there are always exceptions


And many of them were AOK with Dr George Tiller's actual murder. Go figure!

159 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:25:54pm

re: #152 Charles

Might I suggest the following as a no-doze:

160 Big Steve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:25:59pm

Common Judge answer the key part of the question...which is..."a better decision"...

161 patrickafir  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:26:05pm

Does this Randall Terry guy really advocate theocracy? I admit, I don't really know a whole lot about him and his organization.

162 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:26:12pm
163 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:26:17pm

re: #143 _RememberTonyC

Hogwash. The R party compromises plenty re: abortion--see the confirmation of Ginsberg for example. Further, more people identify as pro-life than pro-choice in America right now, though it is pretty equal, it isn't the killer issue you make it out to be. And the Republicans were winning plenty of national elections until the war and then the economy turned people off, largely due to media obfuscation.

164 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:26:44pm

re: #152 Charles

My problem watching this hearing is that I keep dozing off during the long questions full of meandering digressions and self-aggrandizing statements...

zzz,,, ahh ,, huh ,, wha,,???!?!

165 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:26:51pm

re: #152 Charles


yes..I am sleeping thru it all, too..

166 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:26:55pm

re: #158 _RememberTonyC

And many of them were AOK with Dr George Tiller's actual murder. Go figure!

They didn't consider him innocent, as they do the unborn.

167 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:27:15pm

re: #152 Charles

Occupational hazard of Senate hearings.

168 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:27:30pm

OT but there was a big work accident in Lebanon.
Hizbullah Weapons Depot Explodes in Lebanon

Lebanese and Israeli sources confirmed Tuesday afternoon that a series of explosions that rocked the border area earlier in the day took place at a Hizbullah terrorist weapons depot.

The storehouse, located near the Lebanese village of Khirbet Salim, some 20 kilometers from Israel's northern border, was filled with Katyusha rockets, automatic rifles and ammunition.


To think of all the babies that won't get their milk tonight.
///
But may Hisballah have many more such bangs.

169 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:27:38pm

re: #40 Charles

She said she would interpret any 2nd amendment cases "in the context of relevant state law."

Gosh. Why does that smell like a weasely way of saying "I think the 2nd Amendement means squat, and I'll be happy to let states and cities ban all the guns they want."

170 Athens Runaway  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:27:56pm

This did not get reported in the mainstream media, but "Jane Roe" AKA Norma McCorvey was arrested yesterday at the Wise Latina's kabuki theaterconfirmation hearing.

Irony. Jane Roe is now anti-abortion.

171 Flyers1974  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:27:58pm

re: #150 srb1976

As Dick Thornburgh advised Ali G, murder is by definition illegal. Homicide is a different story. From an earlier thread today.

172 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:28:00pm

re: #166 CyanSnowHawk

They didn't consider him innocent, as they do the unborn.


if "abortion is murder," isn't murder also murder?

173 Lincolntf  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:28:15pm

re: #149 Flyers1974

I think she's right. Not that cities aren't full of "real Americans", too, but there's something intrinsically American about the small town and it's traditions. Besides, the small towns could live without the cities, but the cities need the small towns. Can't raise very much grain or cattle in Los Angeles.

174 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:28:36pm

re: #161 patrickafir

Does this Randall Terry guy really advocate theocracy? I admit, I don't really know a whole lot about him and his organization.

Google him, and hold onto your hat!

175 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:28:41pm

re: #168 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, those milk plants and hospitals there are really really dangerous places

176 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:28:58pm

re: #168 Kosh's Shadow

OT but there was a big work accident in Lebanon.
Hizbullah Weapons Depot Explodes in Lebanon


To think of all the babies that won't get their milk tonight.
///
But may Hisballah have many more such bangs.

What's Arabic for whoops?

177 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:29:08pm

So basically she said that she did not believe in what she said in her speech.

Why didn't Kyl just ask her if she would, today, make the same "wise Latina" statement. And if not, what has changed?

178 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:29:19pm

re: #168 Kosh's Shadow

OT but there was a big work accident in Lebanon.
Hizbullah Weapons Depot Explodes in Lebanon


To think of all the babies that won't get their milk tonight.
///
But may Hisballah have many more such bangs.

Mossadyladyda

179 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:29:55pm

re: #53 Iron Fist

Which is a degree of State's Rights supremacy we haven't seen argued since basically the Civil War,

Bingo.

And this despite the MUCH more explicit wording of the 2nd Amendment in that regard.

Double standard? Naaah.

180 soxfan4life  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:30:04pm

re: #176 CyanSnowHawk

What's Arabic for whoops?

Inshallah

181 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:30:07pm

Kyl is grandstanding like a muh.

182 quiet man  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:30:08pm

re: #176 CyanSnowHawk
I think it is
"Obooma"

183 Bob Dillon  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:30:10pm

re: #21 KingKenrod

These hearings are nothing but a circus, why not throw in some clowns?

And Senators want respect? You want respect! How about respecting us? Our children and grandchildren? The Constitution?

Pompous, self-serving, arrogant hypocrites.

/rant off.

184 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:30:24pm

re: #152 Charles

My problem watching this hearing is that I keep dozing off during the long questions full of meandering digressions and self-aggrandizing statements...

If there is one thing a senator likes, it's being heard.
I think they missed the concept that the point is the nominee being heard.

But then, since the outcome is a foregone conclusion, it'd be nice if some republicans used the opportunity to clearly and succintly make the case for judicial restraint.

185 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:30:26pm

Bad manners at a minimum.

'Again Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D., Vt.) banged his gavel, shouting, “You are guests of the Senate! Everybody here is the guest of the Senate. Judge Sotomayor deserves the respect to be heard. The senators have the respect to be heard.”'

But then sometimes I wonder when the people get the respect they deserve to be heard?

186 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:30:30pm

re: #172 _RememberTonyC

if "abortion is murder," isn't murder also murder?

One would think so. Do those that approve of the Doctors killing think it is murder?

187 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:30:32pm

re: #169 Occasional Reader

Amendement

Pardon my French.
/

188 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:31:01pm

Our live feed from the Senate is running about 5 seconds ahead of Fox News, BTW.

189 Flyers1974  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:31:08pm

re: #163 nikis-knight

Hogwash. The R party compromises plenty re: abortion--see the confirmation of Ginsberg for example. Further, more people identify as pro-life than pro-choice in America right now, though it is pretty equal, it isn't the killer issue you make it out to be. And the Republicans were winning plenty of national elections until the war and then the economy turned people off, largely due to media obfuscation.

I agree with what I highlighted. Also, I don't understand how Republicans can win presidential elections without the christian right.

190 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:31:38pm

Kyl didn't even let her finish answering his first question.

191 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:31:54pm
192 jones  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:32:08pm

Sorry, this was lame and unproductive when Code Pink did it, it is just as bad on the right.

193 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:32:15pm

re: #181 Charles

Kyl is grandstanding like a muh.

Joe B was the King of Pomp...it's never gonna be the same again no matter who tries to out muh him

194 subsailor68  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:32:21pm

re: #152 Charles

My problem watching this hearing is that I keep dozing off during the long questions full of meandering digressions and self-aggrandizing statements...

Well, clearly you've never been to Senator school.

Meandering Digressions 101: An in-depth discussion on how to find the most circuitous route to the simplest of points. Extra credit given for each presentation that takes over thirty-four minutes to describe a stick.

Self-Aggrandizement Seminar. A group session designed to hone the ability of incoming senators to make themselves the center of attention in any social or work environment. Final exam includes the requirement to work your own (real or perceived) accomplishments into a presentation on the contributions of Mother Teresa.

;-)

195 flyovercountry  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:32:22pm

My problem with any of these hearings anymore is that any nominee with an active brain cell left knows how to answer any question to hide any agenda they may or may not have. Sonia's words, and her past deeds come nowhere near consistency. Once confirmed, she will be somewhere to the left of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. That's tough to do. I hope Obama doesn't get to nominate any more.

196 soxfan4life  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:32:28pm

re: #183 Bobibutu

And Senators want respect? You want respect! How about respecting us? Our children and grandchildren? The Constitution?

Pompous, self-serving, arrogant hypocrites.

/rant off.

How can you respect a group who include Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Harry Reid, or Chuck Schumer among their members? I mean seriously.

197 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:32:40pm

re: #163 nikis-knight

Hogwash. The R party compromises plenty re: abortion--see the confirmation of Ginsberg for example. Further, more people identify as pro-life than pro-choice in America right now, though it is pretty equal, it isn't the killer issue you make it out to be. And the Republicans were winning plenty of national elections until the war and then the economy turned people off, largely due to media obfuscation.

Hogwash? The voters the Repubs lost in 2008 were largely their own. THEY were the ones who voted with their wallets. The votes they lost because of the war were relatively few. The anti war vote was always the "left of center" crowd. Do you know any female Jews who vote for Republicans? There are a handful, but there would be MANY more if the abortion issue was de-emphasized. I do agree with you about the media. It is in the tank for the Dems and itsr performance is an absolute disgrace.

198 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:33:17pm

re: #193 albusteve

Joe B was the King of Pomp...it's never gonna be the same again no matter who tries to out muh him

Wait... I thought I heard somewhere that the king of pomp died!?!

/

199 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:33:18pm

re: #107 Flyers1974

Those Democrats had little or nothing in common with liberals. Republicans sided with southern Democrats regarding much of the civil rights legislation. LBJ famously said with respect to the civil rights legislation, something to the effect that the Democrats can now forget the south for a generation. And he was right, although since that time other factors have kept the Democrats from being competitive in the south, i.e., religion and guns.

I'm calling BS on this.

The Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act would have never passed without Republican support, and LBJ acknowledged such. A majority of Republicans voted for these pieces of legislation, and a majority of Dems voted against. The filibusters were by Dems, as well.

200 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:34:03pm

Your taxes are paying for that live feed up there, folks. Working pretty well, too.

201 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:34:14pm

re: #188 Charles

Our live feed from the Senate is running about 5 seconds ahead of Fox News, BTW.

Got the 'swear catcher' running apparently. Those Senators are not to be trusted.

/Could the FCC fine Fox for an unfiltered swear word if uttered by a Senator? Seems like a conflict of interest.

202 J.S.  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:34:24pm

re: #152 Charles

CNN yesterday showed a picture of Sotomayor's two nephews (both slumped over and sleeping) in their chairs...really funny, and about sums it up...link here.

203 soxfan4life  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:34:40pm

re: #193 albusteve

Joe B was the King of Pomp...it's never gonna be the same again no matter who tries to out muh him

I thought Joe B was the king of poop.

204 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:34:51pm

re: #198 nikis-knight

Wait... I thought I heard somewhere that the king of pomp died!?!

/

booted upstairs?

205 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:35:06pm

re: #35 Charles

Here comes the nunchuk issue.

It would be SO cool if the entire hearing suddenly exploded into a nunchuk-intensive battle royale.

206 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:35:14pm

re: #202 J.S.

Poor kids. I imagine they were thrilled for the first five minutes, then...

207 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:35:22pm

re: #186 CyanSnowHawk

One would think so. Do those that approve of the Doctors killing think it is murder?


if they don't think it's murder, they have a "curious" sense of what our justice system is all about.

208 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:35:23pm

re: #168 Kosh's Shadow

OT but there was a big work accident in Lebanon.
Hizbullah Weapons Depot Explodes in Lebanon


To think of all the babies that won't get their milk tonight.
///
But may Hisballah have many more such bangs.

Once again, solid confirmation that UNIFIL failed to do its job of disarming Hizbullah. And how Israel remains at risk of attack by Hizbullah.

209 Lincolntf  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:35:32pm

re: #177 HelloDare

Frankly, I wish they'd wrap the whole thing up. It's a foregone conclusion anyway. I'm eager to get this "moderate" Judge onto the SC and count how many times during her tenure she sides with Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Alito, etc.
I'm guessing one hand will be sufficient to the task, no matter how long she serves.

210 Flyers1974  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:35:44pm

re: #173 Lincolntf

I think she's right. Not that cities aren't full of "real Americans", too, but there's something intrinsically American about the small town and it's traditions. Besides, the small towns could live without the cities, but the cities need the small towns. Can't raise very much grain or cattle in Los Angeles.

If a revolution happens, I'll eat my neighbors. Aside from that though, I think the Urban v. Country dislike is an extension of the Democrat v. Liberal battle. In other words, but for politics, there isn't really much hatred between the two, its artificially manufactured. In my opinion at least.

211 KenJen  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:36:05pm

re: #152 Charles

My problem watching this hearing is that I keep dozing off during the long questions full of meandering digressions and self-aggrandizing statements...

Just be thankful Biden's not around for this.

212 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:36:08pm

Zzzzzzz ... huh! wha! Oh, a ten minute break. Right in time for some pundits to start yakking.

213 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:36:21pm

re: #197 _RememberTonyC

Hogwash? The voters the Repubs lost in 2008 were largely their own. THEY were the ones who voted with their wallets. The votes they lost because of the war were relatively few. The anti war vote was always the "left of center" crowd. Do you know any female Jews who vote for Republicans? There are a handful, but there would be MANY more if the abortion issue was de-emphasized. I do agree with you about the media. It is in the tank for the Dems and itsr performance is an absolute disgrace.

I paid a fair amount of attention to this campaign, and other than Obama's Illinois born-alive infant protection act nay vote, there was very little, if any, emphasis on abortion that I saw. I don't think it could be de-emphasized much.

And anyway, the war cost R's seats in '06 not '08, is what I meant, along with corruption and spending. Wow, we sure fixed those problems by voting in democrats, huh?

214 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:36:50pm

re: #205 Occasional Reader

It would be SO cool if the entire hearing suddenly exploded into a nunchuk-intensive battle royale.

I'd pay big money to see that.

215 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:36:59pm

re: #205 Occasional Reader

It would be SO cool if the entire hearing suddenly exploded into a nunchuk-intensive battle royale.

"You have offended the honor of my nominee. And you have offended... the Shaolin Temple."

[gong sound signals beginning of fight scene]

216 Unakite  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:37:01pm

re: #26 calcajun

Anyone starting to miss "Code Pink"? BTW, where is Cindy Sheehan these days? She's been awfully quiet since she got her head handed to her in the November election.

Unfortunately, she is still around and apparently is going to grace us with a talk here in Norfolk (wish she was still camping in a ditch in Texas).

217 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:37:20pm

re: #214 Charles

I'd pay big money to see that.

Anything to relieve the tedium!

218 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:37:57pm

If the nominee was a white male, would it be OK to remark that he is one ugly porker to have to look at all day long?

219 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:38:02pm
220 soxfan4life  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:38:41pm

re: #210 Flyers1974

If a revolution happens, I'll eat my neighbors. Aside from that though, I think the Urban v. Country dislike is an extension of the Democrat v. Liberal battle. In other words, but for politics, there isn't really much hatred between the two, its artificially manufactured. In my opinion at least.

No really all of the country folks love to carry the tax burden the cities place on everyone. I'm sure every farmer in Michigan loves paying to fix the mess Kwami Kilpatrick made in Detroit. And here in MA all of the people in Central and Western MA really love picking up the tab for Boston and everyone driving through the Big Dig.

221 Lincolntf  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:39:09pm

re: #218 Spare O'Lake

If it were Barney Frank, yes.

222 Athens Runaway  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:39:25pm

I watched the hearings this morning while I was getting ready for work, and I still can't get that shade of red that she's wearing out of my head *shudder*

223 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:39:32pm
Abortion is murder!

I though "Fur was murder"? Silly me.

(I do believe it is infanticide, BTW--abortion, not fur.)

224 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:39:33pm

re: #176 CyanSnowHawk

What's Arabic for whoops?

Inshallah?

225 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:39:45pm
226 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:39:48pm

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

Shao-Lynne Temple was Shirley's younger sister, right?

Of course. And who can forget Shirley's own martial arts flicks... volumes I and II of Kill Bojangles Bill?

227 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:39:56pm

She's done a really good job answering what I think is a distorted issue, the "wise Latina" kerfuffle. Kyl just came off like a complete boob, hectoring her, then refusing to let her finish her answer.

228 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:40:04pm

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

Shao-Lynne Temple was Shirley's younger sister, right?


Oh gosh, I know we discuss naming a fair bit here, but that so sounds like some too-cute manufactured trendy name I'd hear about these days.

229 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:40:09pm

re: #220 soxfan4life

No really all of the country folks love to carry the tax burden the cities place on everyone. I'm sure every farmer in Michigan loves paying to fix the mess Kwami Kilpatrick made in Detroit. And here in MA all of the people in Central and Western MA really love picking up the tab for Boston and everyone driving through the Big Dig.

CA...the greatest tax rape of all time...probably bring down their constitution

230 Kragar  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:40:10pm

I'd like to see a Senator lean forward and ask the question

"Who run Bartertown?"

231 Flyers1974  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:40:15pm

re: #199 Son of the Black Dog

Again, those Democrats had nothing in common with liberals or today's Democrats. Until this day, many southern states are Democratic on the local level - but those people are not liberal in any sense of the word. Remember Nixon's southern strategy. And LBJ had to bust some serious balls to get non-liberals to vote for the civil rights legislation. That's why LBJ was more effective than JFK - he understood power and its use.

232 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:40:15pm

re: #196 soxfan4life

How can you respect a group who include Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Harry Reid, or Chuck Schumer among their members? I mean seriously.

That's what made the end of Animal House so funny, when it said Blutarsky became a senator.
How could he stoop to their level?

233 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:40:32pm
234 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:41:41pm

re: #213 nikis-knight

I paid a fair amount of attention to this campaign, and other than Obama's Illinois born-alive infant protection act nay vote, there was very little, if any, emphasis on abortion that I saw. I don't think it could be de-emphasized much.

And anyway, the war cost R's seats in '06 not '08, is what I meant, along with corruption and spending. Wow, we sure fixed those problems by voting in democrats, huh?


Hey, I voted for McCain so I have been able to set aside the Roe vs Wade issue. In my mind, national security, the war on terror, and the economy are far more important than Roe vs Wade. But you, me, and the others on this board are far more informed and thoughtful than 90% of voters. When it comes to the masses, the "in your face" issues (many trumpeted unfairly in the media) are the difference makers. And perhaps the biggest is Pro Life/Pro Choice. Even if it was de-emphasized in the last election, it is still the elephant in the room for many people.

235 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:41:49pm
236 AZDave  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:41:52pm

re: #21 KingKenrod

These hearings are nothing but a circus, why not throw in some clowns?

The clowns were there: Leahy, Durbin, Feinstein, etc.

237 JustABill  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:42:23pm

re: #214 Charles

I'd pay big money to see that.

Sounds like your advocating violence. I am going to have to report that...

238 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:42:57pm

re: #224 BlueCanuck

I thought that was "Shit happens". Silly me.

239 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:43:32pm

re: #237 JustABill

Sounds like your advocating violence. I am going to have to report that...

LGF are ANARCHISTS!

Kos/DU

240 Athens Runaway  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:43:40pm

Question: is there anyone here who supports Sotomayor?

241 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:43:45pm

re: #235 buzzsawmonkey

Given Bluto's "when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor" reference, his sense of history would fit right into that august body.

I once used that speech as a monologue for an audition. Got the part.

242 soxfan4life  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:43:48pm

re: #233 taxfreekiller

These are the ones who under fund the Native American Reservation health care system.

You too are going to be rationed your health care by these 100 lazy ass
drones soon. Just keep in mind, on the U.S.A. Obama reservation, say after July 1 to Dec. 31, the funds will not be there, they will only fund enough for about 1/2 of the real need. The rest, "pork projects in W.V."
for the Robert Byrd bird bath.

The Robert Byrd school for kleagles, exalted cyclops and other hatemongerers.

243 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:43:58pm

re: #240 Athens Runaway

Question: is there anyone here who supports Sotomayor?

PRESENT!

244 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:44:00pm

Sorry folks ... I have to hit the road soon. Thanks for the lively conversation!

245 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:44:03pm

re: #215 Occasional Reader

"You have offended the honor of my nominee. And you have offended... the Shaolin Temple."

[gong sound signals beginning of fight scene]

Study the moon, not the finger.

Or you will miss all the heavenly gwowy.

246 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:44:08pm

re: #238 calcajun

I thought that was "Shit happens". Silly me.

Trust me, it covers a multitude of attitudes. And it is an attitude.

247 Kragar  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:44:50pm

re: #245 Ben Hur

Study the moon, not the finger.

Or you will miss all the heavenly gwowy.

Tongan Ninja, very good

248 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:45:00pm

re: #238 calcajun

I thought that was "Shit happens". Silly me.

That's the title of the Egyptian Army's report on the Six Day War.

249 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:45:02pm

re: #234 _RememberTonyC

Hey, I voted for McCain so I have been able to set aside the Roe vs Wade issue. In my mind, national security, the war on terror, and the economy are far more important than Roe vs Wade. But you, me, and the others on this board are far more informed and thoughtful than 90% of voters. When it comes to the masses, the "in your face" issues (many trumpeted unfairly in the media) are the difference makers. And perhaps the biggest is Pro Life/Pro Choice. Even if it was de-emphasized in the last election, it is still the elephant in the room for many people.

The thing about elephants in the room is, they aren't talked about, emphatically or otherwise. So it sounds like you want pro-life positions not just pushed aside but actually renounced? I don't think I could vote dem for awhile, but in that case I'd have a good excuse to just stay home.

Anyway, this sounds kind of like how everyone knew Sarah Palin was a book-burning creationist theocrat, even if it wasn't so.

250 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:45:13pm
251 AZDave  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:45:17pm

re: #26 calcajun

Anyone starting to miss "Code Pink"? BTW, where is Cindy Sheehan these days? She's been awfully quiet since she got her head handed to her in the November election.

I believe she's now Al Franken's legislative assistant.

252 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:45:39pm

re: #248 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's the title of the Egyptian Army's report on the Six Day War.

Along with a request for surface to aircraft missiles?

253 Athens Runaway  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:46:04pm

re: #250 buzzsawmonkey

"Don't let the bad be the enemy of the downright horrible", eh?

254 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:46:33pm

re: #227 Charles

Charles, this is political theater. It is the Civics equivalent of professional wrestling. If there are people who really doubt the outcome, more fool them. These are politicians who are going through the motions and playing to their fans/constituents.

Sorry to sound jaded, but Kyl's not an idiot; he's just playing one for today.

255 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:47:06pm

re: #248 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's the title of the Egyptian Army's report on the Six Day War.

Nonsense. The so-called "Six-Day War" was a glorious victory for Arab arms. Just check any Arab history book if you don't believe me. And that's why Israel doesn't exist today. Although, somehow, they still manage to cause every problem in the Arab world.

256 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:47:17pm

re: #247 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tongan Ninja, very good


Enter the Dragon.

Not to be confused with Fwaming Dwagon.

257 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:47:20pm

re: #240 Athens Runaway

She would not, in my view, appreciably alter the ideological disposition of the court, considering that she is slated to replace Justice Souter. They both appear to be (roughly) equally moderate to me. Such a lack of substantial change is about the best that conservatives can hope for from an Obama administration nominee.

/That was a pun. Hope? Change? Get it?

258 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:47:34pm
259 soxfan4life  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:47:38pm

re: #253 Athens Runaway

"Don't let the bad be the enemy of the downright horrible", eh?

Or as my Daddy used to say "Better the Devil you know than the Devil you don't know". 0bama could have picked much worse, and he will have no problem getting whomever he nominates seated.

260 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:47:47pm

re: #248 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's the title of the Egyptian Army's report on the Six Day War.

I just cannot imagine Nasser sitting there, reading the report and going, "Oh. bother."

261 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:47:47pm

re: #248 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's the title of the Egyptian Army's report on the Six Day War.

they breached the Suez...that was something

262 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:47:54pm

re: #240 Athens Runaway

Question: is there anyone here who supports Sotomayor?


I think she should be given a fair hearing, sans filibuster, but almost certainly voted against.
But then, as the nominee in question points out, since judges make so much policy I have no problem advocating voting against them due to disagreements in philosophy--even if their philosophy is numerically "mainstream." Of course, I don't have a vote in the matter and I don't think Ms Boxer shares my concerns, so whatever.

263 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:48:18pm

re: #248 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's the title of the Egyptian Army's report on the Six Day War.

Now now.

Egypt won.

Just like everybody but us won the Cold War.

264 AZDave  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:48:26pm

re: #28 quiet man

Momma Moonbat disappeared after threatening Nanci Pelosi

Yeah, she's now resting peacefully in Pelosi's backyard freezer.

265 mrbaracuda  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:48:34pm

OT: Rape-aXe! The first anti-rape condom for women [Link: www.antirape.co.za...]

266 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:48:46pm

Tiny violin time... (note the bullshit propaganda stuck into the story)

Keeping Gaza's Food Traditions Alive, Gazans can only access a fraction of the supplies they need to make traditional dishes. Still, they try.

Palestinian cuisine is as varied as the land, which ranges from the lush green valleys of the north to the desert dunes of the south. As 80 percent of Gaza's population are refugees displaced in 1948*, within Gaza one finds food traditions from every part of Palestine. A lot of the foods, especially those found in restaurants (hummus, ful, mutabbal, mejaddra) are common throughout the Levant. Nonetheless, a specifically Gazan cuisine does persist, distinct from other Palestinian or Levantine cuisines in its generous use of hot peppers, cumin, and dill, and sour fruits like pomegranite, tamarind and plums.

*That would mean that at least 80% of the population is over 61 years old, which is of course, not true at all.

267 Lincolntf  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:49:01pm

re: #263 Ben Hur

Now if Al-Qaeda would just "win" the War on Terror, we'd be all set.

268 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:49:09pm

re: #215 Occasional Reader

269 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:49:20pm

re: #207 _RememberTonyC

if they don't think it's murder, they have a "curious" sense of what our justice system is all about.

If they approve of the killing, I believe that can be assumed.

270 latingent  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:49:59pm

re: #137 Iron Fist

I don't know that thumb-holed stocks were an improvement, but a few cosmetic changes and we were back in business, which is what is important. I understand that they are even getting around Bush Is disasterous executive order with some technical changes (some parts are made in America). I still hate it, though, that they bring perfectly good historical machineguns to America and cut them apart with a blow-torch, bring them in as parts, and then remanufacture them as semi-autos. It is no different than the Taliban destroying the Binyamin Buddhas. Fanatics destroying historical items because of their fanaticism.


I remember when Clinton had all the surplus 1911`s destroyed at huge cost to the goverment. Not sure what he was trying to accomplish or who he was trying to please but Garands got caught up in that deal too, including the last of the M1-D`s. More that a shame...a crime.

271 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:50:10pm

re: #238 calcajun

I thought that was "Shit happens". Silly me.

"Sheet Happens" refers to the KKK guy who hid out in Tel Aviv.

272 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:50:21pm

re: #265 mrbaracuda

OT: Rape-aXe! The first anti-rape condom for women [Link: www.antirape.co.za...]

Wow.

Like the exploding dye for bank robberies...yet not.

273 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:50:29pm

re: #152 Charles

My problem watching this hearing is that I keep dozing off during the long questions full of meandering digressions and self-aggrandizing statements...

Whether elected or appointed
He considers himself the Lord’s annointed,
And indeed the ointment lingers on him
So thick you can’t get your fingers on him.
— Ogden Nash, “The Politician”

274 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:50:34pm

re: #261 albusteve

they breached the Suez...that was something

I think you're thinking of the famed crossing of the Bar Lev Line in the Yom Kippur War. Prior to the Six Say War, Egypt controlled the Sinai, so they wouldn't need to breach the Suez.

275 Kragar  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:50:49pm

re: #256 Ben Hur

Enter the Dragon.

Not to be confused with Fwaming Dwagon.

Tongan Ninja was better.

"I'm the PI your grandfather sent for."
"Wow, you're really a private investigator?"
"No, a Pacific Islander."

276 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:51:03pm

re: #266 Kenneth

Tiny violin time... (note the bullshit propaganda stuck into the story)

Keeping Gaza's Food Traditions Alive, Gazans can only access a fraction of the supplies they need to make traditional dishes. Still, they try.


*That would mean that at least 80% of the population is over 61 years old, which is of course, not true at all.

Absolute BS.

277 Athens Runaway  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:51:19pm

re: #257 Salamantis

She would not, in my view, appreciably alter the ideological disposition of the court, considering that she is slated to replace Justice Souter. They both appear to be (roughly) equally moderate to me. Such a lack of substantial change is about the best that conservatives can hope for from an Obama administration nominee.

/That was a pun. Hope? Change? Get it?

You're correct that she would not appreciably alter the composition, since she's a liberal replacing a liberal.

What if she was replacing a conservative though? Would you all be more opposed to her? I'm trying to take the measure of the general feeling around here about her..

278 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:51:25pm

re: #215 Occasional Reader

"You have offended the honor of my nominee. And you have offended... the Shaolin Temple."

[gong sound signals beginning of fight scene]

Attach nunchuk controller to your Wii remote.

279 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:51:34pm

re: #274 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I think you're thinking of the famed crossing of the Bar Lev Line in the Yom Kippur War. Prior to the Six Say War, Egypt controlled the Sinai, so they wouldn't need to breach the Suez.

yes I was, my bad

280 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:51:38pm

re: #249 nikis-knight

The thing about elephants in the room is, they aren't talked about, emphatically or otherwise. So it sounds like you want pro-life positions not just pushed aside but actually renounced? I don't think I could vote dem for awhile, but in that case I'd have a good excuse to just stay home.

Anyway, this sounds kind of like how everyone knew Sarah Palin was a book-burning creationist theocrat, even if it wasn't so.


Not renounced, but de-emphasized by about 95%. Now I really do have to leave :)

281 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:51:42pm
282 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:51:55pm
283 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:52:16pm

re: #2 livefreeor die

Note to Senate security-
If it looks like a hippie, and smells like a hippie, it's going to act like a hippie.

284 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:52:29pm

re: #266 Kenneth


Palestinian cuisine is as varied as the land, which ranges from the lush green valleys of the north to the desert dunes of the south

Maybe Gaza in Palestine, Texas?

285 Adrenalyn  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:52:35pm

I am conflicted on this problem you are having

on the one hand, I think it is great you are exposing the lunatic creationists

on the other hand, I like to see the left get a taste of their own medicine

286 AZDave  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:52:39pm

re: #57 quiet man

if she is fibbing, she can always say she just meant the *free* states...
not the other continental 48..(or 55 57 to an obamatron)

Fixed.

287 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:52:57pm

re: #270 latingent

I remember when Clinton had all the surplus 1911`s destroyed at huge cost to the goverment. Not sure what he was trying to accomplish or who he was trying to please but Garands got caught up in that deal too, including the last of the M1-D`s. More that a shame...a crime.

Or the Canadian government destroying the CF-105 Arrow, along with the tools & plans, assuring that none could ever be built again.

288 Flyers1974  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:53:38pm

re: #220 soxfan4life

No really all of the country folks love to carry the tax burden the cities place on everyone. I'm sure every farmer in Michigan loves paying to fix the mess Kwami Kilpatrick made in Detroit. And here in MA all of the people in Central and Western MA really love picking up the tab for Boston and everyone driving through the Big Dig.

Well the previous poster was making a statement about the attitude of liberal elites towards people living in the country. It seems you approve of this attitude if the roles are reversed. Cities are by definition highly populated and require more roads and infrastructure. If we empty the cities, they will have to live somewhere - maybe in your part of town. I'm not sure if that would cause the tax burden to be decreased.

289 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:53:38pm
290 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:54:03pm

re: #266 Kenneth

Tiny violin time... (note the bullshit propaganda stuck into the story)

Keeping Gaza's Food Traditions Alive, Gazans can only access a fraction of the supplies they need to make traditional dishes. Still, they try.

*That would mean that at least 80% of the population is over 61 years old, which is of course, not true at all.

Let them eat lead.

291 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:54:53pm

OT: Listening to "Like a Rolling Stone" by the Jimi Hendrix Experience from Winterland 10-11-68. Great cure for a hard days work.

292 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:55:00pm

re: #266 Kenneth

Tiny violin time... (note the bullshit propaganda stuck into the story)

Keeping Gaza's Food Traditions Alive, Gazans can only access a fraction of the supplies they need to make traditional dishes. Still, they try.

*That would mean that at least 80% of the population is over 61 years old, which is of course, not true at all.

But they can still access enough supplies to keep making Qassam rockets & suicide belts.
/spit

293 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:55:02pm

re: #270 latingent

The 1911s and Garands were probably destroyed so that they couldn't conveniently disappear from storage and be sold on the black market to gang-bangers, and they certain weren't going to sell the surplus themselves. In other words it's likely that, crime prevention was used as an excuse to waste a ton of money to keep guns away from us proles... yet again.

294 Gordon Marock  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:55:16pm

Nosotros tenemos mas influencia Con sus hijos, que tu tienes. Pero los queremos. Pero, Senora Sotomayor, qieres mas culebras y tiburon naranja, por que mi pipa es grande.

295 ggt  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:55:16pm

ILLINOIS LIZARD! Please check-out this website.
It seems that these people are doing good work and could use any support you can give. Some friends and are are organizing a drop box at their business.

296 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:55:49pm

how long til Schumer gets around to asking a question...if he even gets one out

297 The Hoopster  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:55:51pm

re: #152 Charles

My problem watching this hearing is that I keep dozing off during the long questions full of meandering digressions and self-aggrandizing statements...


Lot's of coffee and that 5 hour energy drink really works!

298 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:56:17pm

Enjoy the sweet face of youth.

Soon it will big enough to crush your car.

299 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:56:34pm

re: #290 Alouette

Let them eat lead.

/I am assuming that because we do not advocate violence here, you are referring to the probable lead-paint that is covering all of the window sills in Gaza City?

300 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:56:36pm

re: #277 Athens Runaway

You're correct that she would not appreciably alter the composition, since she's a liberal replacing a liberal.

What if she was replacing a conservative though? Would you all be more opposed to her? I'm trying to take the measure of the general feeling around here about her..

I disagree with your characterization of Justice David Souter. While he has not been not a dependable ally of the conservative Roberts/Alito/Scalia/Thomas bloc, he also has not been a reliable ally of the liberal Stevens/Breyer/Ginsburg bloc, either. He has been a sensible center centrist swing vote, much as Anthony Kennedy has been.

301 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:56:56pm

I hate it when I agree with Chuck Schumer.

302 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:57:12pm

re: #291 Creeping Eruption

OT: Listening to "Like a Rolling Stone" by the Jimi Hendrix Experience from Winterland 10-11-68. Great cure for a hard days work.

excellent cover as was the Stones version from Stripped...Bob always gets outshined for some reason...probably because he sucks live...

303 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:57:46pm

re: #301 Charles

I hate it when I agree with Chuck Schumer.

I also hate it when you agree with him !!

304 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:58:10pm
305 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:58:11pm

do you think Chucky will just go ahead and give her a hug?

306 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:58:42pm

re: #294 Gordon Marock

Nosotros tenemos mas influencia Con sus hijos, que tu tienes. Pero los queremos. Pero, Senora Sotomayor, qieres mas culebras y tiburon naranja, por que mi pipa es grande.

Er... what?

Snakes and "orange shark"?

307 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:58:48pm
308 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:58:57pm

re: #305 Charpete67

do you think Chucky will just go ahead and give her a hug?

Chucky doesn't GIVE ,, Chucky only ACCEPTS

309 BlueCanuck  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:58:59pm

re: #287 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Or the Canadian government destroying the CF-105 Arrow, along with the tools & plans, assuring that none could ever be built again.

*sob* *sob*

/nothing follows.

310 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:59:21pm

re: #302 albusteve

...probably because he sucks live...

Personally, I have never passed up an not to see Dylan live. [please excuse the double negative, it was intentional]

My favorite Hendrix version is from Jimi Plays Monterey

311 Wendya  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:59:30pm

re: #161 patrickafir

Does this Randall Terry guy really advocate theocracy? I admit, I don't really know a whole lot about him and his organization.

He claims he wants to "return" the government to a government based on the 10 commandments. He apparently doesn't see any conflict between the 1st commandment and the 1st amendment... which makes him a liar or a moron.

I figure he's both.

312 latingent  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:59:46pm

re: #293 ArchangelMichael

The 1911s and Garands were probably destroyed so that they couldn't conveniently disappear from storage and be sold on the black market to gang-bangers, and they certain weren't going to sell the surplus themselves. In other words it's likely that, crime prevention was used as an excuse to waste a ton of money to keep guns away from us proles... yet again.


Damn, a gang banger with a Garand. Would that be a first? I did`nt think that bangers knew enough to arm themselves with rifles. (and thats a good thing). I personally love the Garand, truly one of my faves just to go out and plink.

313 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:59:48pm

re: #291 Creeping Eruption

OT: Listening to "Like a Rolling Stone" by the Jimi Hendrix Experience from Winterland 10-11-68. Great cure for a hard days work.

I love the version he plays at Monterey. He says something like, "Here's one by Bob Dylan. Yeah, that's his grandma over there."

314 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 12:59:55pm

re: #307 buzzsawmonkey

I know...I meant...jump over the table and just hug her...or, maybe just nuzzle a little...

315 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:00:04pm

re: #255 Occasional Reader

Nonsense. The so-called "Six-Day War" was a glorious victory for Arab arms.

The Egyptian Military Museum in Cairo has splendid little battle montages complete with plastic soldiers.

What more proof does one need?

316 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:00:45pm

re: #313 Mad Al-Jaffee

I love the version he plays at Monterey. He says something like, "Here's one by Bob Dylan. Yeah, that's his grandma over there."

I'm with you. See my 310

317 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:00:48pm

re: #310 Creeping Eruption

Personally, I have never passed up an not to see Dylan live. [please excuse the double negative, it was intentional]

My favorite Hendrix version is from Jimi Plays Monterey

I've never seen him either...I could care less...he intentionally deprives his fans from what they want to hear...

318 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:00:54pm

re: #303 sattv4u2

I also hate it when you agree with him !!

Thing is, he's right. I've spent more time looking at Sotomayor's record of rulings than I really wanted to, and I can't find any evidence that she tries to legislate from the bench. On the contrary, I've found a lot of statements from her down through the years indicating that she has a great respect for the Constitution.

I know a lot of people just don't want to hear this, but that's the reality.

319 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:01:04pm

re: #265 mrbaracuda

OT: Rape-aXe! The first anti-rape condom for women [Link: www.antirape.co.za...]

From the site.

When the attacker attempts vaginal penetration the barbs attach themselves to the penis, causing great discomfort.


emphasis added.

Talk about an understatement. And that animated demonstration will give men nightmares, even if it is justifiable to do such to a rapist.

320 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:01:18pm

re: #312 latingent

Damn, a gang banger with a Garand. Would that be a first?

The Crips would soon be Crippled with "M-1 Thumb".

321 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:02:28pm

re: #318 Charles

Thing is, he's right. I've spent more time looking at Sotomayor's record of rulings than I really wanted to, and I can't find any evidence that she tries to legislate from the bench. On the contrary, I've found a lot of her statements from her down through the years indicating that she has a great respect for the Constitution.

I know a lot of people just don't want to hear this, but that's the reality.

I agree. I forgot to add the sarc tag

On the othre hand, even though Shumer IS correct does not mitigate what he in essence is.

322 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:02:30pm

Winston has a very interesting video up on the protests in Iran. Lot's of interviews & background not found in the short cellphone video-clips we've seen so far. Worthwhile.

323 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:02:35pm

re: #318 Charles

Thing is, he's right. I've spent more time looking at Sotomayor's record of rulings than I really wanted to, and I can't find any evidence that she tries to legislate from the bench. On the contrary, I've found a lot of her statements from her down through the years indicating that she has a great respect for the Constitution.

I know a lot of people just don't want to hear this, but that's the reality.

Yeah; give people what they ask for - a strict precedent-following stare decisis constitutional constructionist - and watch them complain...

324 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:02:41pm

re: #317 albusteve

I saw Dylan with Tom Petty and The Grateful Dead in the mid 80s. This was when I was a big Dylan and Dead fan and just started getting into playing the harmonica. They all played great, and Dylan still had a voice then.

325 ggt  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:02:48pm

re: #320 Occasional Reader

The Crips would soon be Crippled with "M-1 Thumb".

My be a good way to identify illegal weapons holders (In Illinois anyway). Assuming that most of them are untrained, there would be a lot of those M-1 Thumbs.

326 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:03:20pm

re: #306 Occasional Reader

Er... what?

Snakes and "orange shark"?

Well, according to babelfish, it reads:

We have but he influences With its children, who your you have. We want but them. But, Mrs. Sotomayor, qieres but snakes and shark orange, so that my pipe is great.

Makes sense to me.

327 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:03:27pm

re: #318 Charles

Thing is, he's right. I've spent more time looking at Sotomayor's record of rulings than I really wanted to, and I can't find any evidence that she tries to legislate from the bench. On the contrary, I've found a lot of her statements from her down through the years indicating that she has a great respect for the Constitution.

I know a lot of people just don't want to hear this, but that's the reality.

Obama's Souter?

328 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:03:27pm

re: #318 Charles

Thing is, he's right. I've spent more time looking at Sotomayor's record of rulings than I really wanted to, and I can't find any evidence that she tries to legislate from the bench. On the contrary, I've found a lot of her statements from her down through the years indicating that she has a great respect for the Constitution.

I know a lot of people just don't want to hear this, but that's the reality.

Tell it like it is, man.

329 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:03:28pm

It's the end of the workday for me. Have a good one, everyone.

330 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:03:45pm

re: #319 CyanSnowHawk

emphasis added.

Talk about an understatement. And that animated demonstration will give men nightmares, even if it is justifiable to do such to a rapist.

Excellent. I once read that some VC sympathizing Ladies of the Night used to do something similar with slivers of bamboo prior to servicing US soldiers. I have no idea if that is true and never checked, but thats what this made me think of.

331 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:03:57pm

As a pro-lifer, I'd agree that what they did was wrong, and counterproductive.

But I still don't mind seeing Feinstein and Leaky Leahy getting tweaked.

332 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:04:21pm

re: #323 Salamantis

Yeah; give people what they ask for - a strict precedent-following stare decisis constitutional constructionist - and watch them complain...

dern ,,,okay then, can we complain about her ill fitting upper dentures then !?!?!

I mean c'mon ,,, give us SOMETHING!!!

//

333 MJ  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:04:36pm

NYC invests nearly $1M in … typewriters

When they're not chasing down bad guys, protecting us from terrorism, or otherwise maintaining order in the Big Apple, New York's finest often find themselves scrounging around for—of all things—replacement typewriter ribbons. Remember those?


[Link: tech.yahoo.com...]

334 Bob Dillon  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:04:36pm

re: #196 soxfan4life

How can you respect a group who include Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Harry Reid, or Chuck Schumer among their members? I mean seriously.

I can't. And the crap they've pulled. I have no respect for the people who keep re-electing them either.

335 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:04:47pm

re: #318 Charles

I know a lot of people just don't want to hear this, but that's the reality.

I'm withholding judgement (no pun intended), more or less. Or at least making only a tentative judgement. I'll be thrilled if you are right. We'll see.

Yeah; give people what they ask for - a strict precedent-following stare decisis constitutional constructionist - and watch them complain...

I only ask for stare decisis if the original decisions were likewise constitutional in reality. Otherwise not.

336 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:04:54pm

re: #324 Mad Al-Jaffee

I saw Dylan with Tom Petty and The Grateful Dead in the mid 80s. This was when I was a big Dylan and Dead fan and just started getting into playing the harmonica. They all played great, and Dylan still had a voice then.

This was in the mid 80s? The Dead are probably just about finished their second song by now.

337 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:05:33pm

re: #333 MJ

NYC invests nearly $1M in … typewriters


[Link: tech.yahoo.com...]

To type their "fives" (reports)? Haven't they heard of PCs?

338 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:05:39pm

re: #161 patrickafir

Does this Randall Terry guy really advocate theocracy? I admit, I don't really know a whole lot about him and his organization.

He converted to Catholicism a while back, but here's a quote from a few years ago:

Let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good... If a Christian voted for Clinton, he sinned against God. It's that simple... Our goal is a Christian Nation... we have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want Pluralism. We want theocracy. Theocracy means God rules. I've got a hot flash. God rules.

339 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:05:48pm

re: #318 Charles

I know a lot of people just don't want to hear this, but that's the reality.

Nah, we need to hear it.

/But please don't use the Schumer word again...

340 Flyers1974  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:06:24pm

re: #277 Athens Runaway

You're correct that she would not appreciably alter the composition, since she's a liberal replacing a liberal.

What if she was replacing a conservative though? Would you all be more opposed to her? I'm trying to take the measure of the general feeling around here about her..

As a liberal on most issues, I approve of her because I like liberal justices and dislike conservative justices. I probably like her more than other justices Obama could have picked because I don't consider myself extremely liberal. My guess is that she will be to the very liberal Stevens as Kennedy is to the very conservative Scalia or Roberts.

341 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:06:47pm

re: #324 Mad Al-Jaffee

I saw Dylan with Tom Petty and The Grateful Dead in the mid 80s. This was when I was a big Dylan and Dead fan and just started getting into playing the harmonica. They all played great, and Dylan still had a voice then.

the arrangements mean everything...I liked early Dylan poetry, the songs not so much...think 'Watchtower'...the he flat blew me away with Blood on the Tracks

342 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:08:08pm

re: #336 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

This was in the mid 80s? The Dead are probably just about finished their second song by now.

I thought Dead shows were boring...everytime...I just quit seeing them

343 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:08:16pm

re: #335 nikis-knight

I only ask for stare decisis if the original decisions were likewise constitutional in reality. Otherwise not.

US v. Miller is a great example ... it was misquoted and misconstrued in subsequent decisions, which were then used as stare decisis.

344 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:08:31pm

re: #26 calcajun

Anyone starting to miss "Code Pink"? BTW, where is Cindy Sheehan these days? She's been awfully quiet since she got her head handed to her in the November election.

She's been here in Dallas, picketing around the corner from W's house on Daria Place. A couple of months ago, anyway.

345 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:09:35pm
346 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:09:39pm

OT: Why is our Government (former administration included) so squeamish about whacking terrorists? Initiative at Heart of Spat With Congress Examined Ways to Seize, Kill Terror Chiefs

Amid the high alert following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, a small CIA unit examined the potential for targeted assassinations of al Qaeda operatives, according to the three former officials. The Ford administration had banned assassinations in the response to investigations into intelligence abuses in the 1970s. Some officials who advocated the approach were seeking to build teams of CIA and military Special Forces commandos to emulate what the Israelis did after the Munich Olympics terrorist attacks, said another former intelligence official.

347 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:09:45pm

re: #335 nikis-knight

I only ask for stare decisis if the original decisions were likewise constitutional in reality. Otherwise not.

And so the Supreme Court has found Roe to be, overwhelmingly, in the 1992 Casey decision.

Sotomayer was quite correct in implying that the right to an abortion is settled law in America.

348 soxfan4life  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:10:14pm

re: #288 Flyers1974

Well the previous poster was making a statement about the attitude of liberal elites towards people living in the country. It seems you approve of this attitude if the roles are reversed. Cities are by definition highly populated and require more roads and infrastructure. If we empty the cities, they will have to live somewhere - maybe in your part of town. I'm not sure if that would cause the tax burden to be decreased.

As such they should involve higher property taxes and such for this, not asking the farmers and rural folks to pony up tax dollars to improve living conditions in the city.If city dwellers emptied the cities en masse would every town or hamlet they moved to receive the same percentage of state tax dollars cities do or would the residents pay a higher price in property tax?

349 ggt  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:10:17pm

Have a great afternoon all!

350 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:10:31pm

I wonder what type of discussions go on behind the scenes when they interview candidates for the supreme court. We can speculate on how they may rule, but I'm sure they must have some very candid discussions about how they might rule...I wonder how candid and specific they get.

351 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:10:47pm

re: #325 ggt

My be a good way to identify illegal weapons holders (In Illinois anyway). Assuming that most of them are untrained, there would be a lot of those M-1 Thumbs.

My Garand came from Unca Bill hisself! And I still gave myself M1 Thumb!

352 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:10:49pm

re: #325 ggt

My be a good way to identify illegal weapons holders (In Illinois anyway). Assuming that most of them are untrained, there would be a lot of those M-1 Thumbs.

It is a hopelessly impractical criminal weapon. Too heavy, too cumbersome and reloading takes some forethought (what criminal pre-loads his own clips). There was no need to destroy them. They could have all been handed over to CMP and folks like me would have been pleased and proud to own a piece of history.

Also, street criminals don't much like M1911's either--does not hold enough ammo.

353 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:10:50pm

re: #338 Charles

That's definitely not Catholic teaching. The Church assumes that even headhunters in Papua New Guinea can get to Heaven.

354 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:11:24pm

re: #301 Charles

I hate it when I agree with Chuck Schumer.

Consider it temporary, like a sus chord.

355 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:11:32pm

re: #351 OldLineTexan

You get it through CMP?

356 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:11:35pm

re: #338 Charles

That's a very terrifying quotation:

Let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good..

Was he channeling the Ayatollah Khomeini at the time?

357 Buck  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:12:21pm

re: #265 mrbaracuda

OT: Rape-aXe! The first anti-rape condom for women [Link: www.antirape.co.za...]

I bet inflated scrotum guy orders one or two just for fun...

358 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:12:48pm

re: #347 Salamantis

And so the Supreme Court has found Roe to be, overwhelmingly, in the 1992 Casey decision.

Sotomayer was quite correct in implying that the right to an abortion is settled law in America.


Oddly enough, it is possible to find 5-9 people who happen to agree and yet are wrong.

In other words, your second statement doesn't follow from the first.

359 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:12:58pm

re: #352 calcajun

It is a hopelessly impractical criminal weapon. Too heavy, too cumbersome and reloading takes some forethought (what criminal pre-loads his own clips). There was no need to destroy them. They could have all been handed over to CMP and folks like me would have been pleased and proud to own a piece of history.

Also, street criminals don't much like M1911's either--does not hold enough ammo.

The FedGov has destroyed Kimber .22 training rifles rather than let them "fall into the hands of civilians".

360 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:13:08pm
361 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:13:13pm

re: #356 Kenneth

That's a very terrifying quotation:

Let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...

Was he channeling the Ayatollah Khomeini at the time?

Reminds me more of the anti-Goldstein Two Minute Hate found in George Orwell's 1984.

362 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:13:14pm

re: #356 Kenneth

That's a very terrifying quotation:

Was he channeling the Ayatollah Khomeini at the time?

Before becoming a Catholic, Terry was a hard core Pentecostal Dominionist.

363 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:13:15pm

re: #351 OldLineTexan

My Garand came from Unca Bill hisself! And I still gave myself M1 Thumb!

I'm envious...I'd love to own one...even when I was flush my wife would not dig me spending $900 on an old antique firearm

364 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:13:35pm

re: #352 calcajun

Also, street criminals don't much like M1911's either--does not hold enough ammo.

Last time I went to the range, a nice little gang-banger was trying out his new Glock (with laser sights). He just unloaded rapid fire (got kicked out) and barely hit the target (even with the sight). It was comical. I imagine, someone with a little experience on the receiving end of the Glock could have taken this guy out with a well placed shot from a 1911.

365 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:14:35pm

re: #355 calcajun

You get it through CMP?

Yes, back when it was $250, and it was you-get-the-next-one-no-choice. I got a well-travelled rebuilt WW2 one with a V-N era Navy barrel, while my shooting buddy got a mint-in-the-grease example from 1957.

/I still hate him for that

366 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:14:43pm

re: #359 OldLineTexan

The FedGov has destroyed Kimber .22 training rifles rather than let them "fall into the hands of civilians".

Heavens! Imagine the squirrel and gopher massacres that have been prevented!

367 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:15:03pm

re: #361 Salamantis

Yes. I've heard neo-nazi speeches like that too. Hate as a virtue. Not my idea of Christianity.

368 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:15:26pm

The nominee appears to be a qualified, moderate, self-made, female latino with a bit of an attitude problem.
The only chinks in her armor are in relation to her empathy for women, the little guy, and ethnic minorities.
How can she possibly fail to be confirmed?

369 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:15:34pm

Your tax dollars at work.

US Army scrubs New Orleans area hospital (Charity Hospital) to medically ready standards, but Gov. Blanco (D-LA) says no need since they have other plans.

Weeks after Hurricane Katrina slammed New Orleans and worsened the medical plight of the city's poor, then-Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the publicly run Charity Hospital would not reopen, even though the military had scrubbed the building to medical-ready standards, the retired Army general who oversaw the work said.

In a recent interview with The Associated Press, Lt. Gen. Russel Honore said Blanco told him in late September 2005 the 20-story building that served the region's poor residents would not reopen.

"'Ma'am, we got the hospital clean, my people report ... if you want to use it,'" Honore recalled telling Blanco. "Her reply to me: 'Well general, we're not going to open it, we're working on a different plan.'"

Honore's revelation raises questions of whether state officials used Katrina as an excuse to leverage federal financing for a new public hospital.

It comes as state and federal officials continue squabbling over how badly the hospital was really damaged and how much federal recovery funding should be allocated to it.

The state wants $492 million for a new hospital to replace the Depression-era building as part of a proposed $1.2 billion medical complex. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has offered $150 million for repairs. The dispute is on appeal at FEMA headquarters.

The other plans? Get the feds to pay for a brand new medical facility. There wasn't anything wrong with the old facility after it was cleaned (at government expense), and the need for health care remained a top priority, except for the fact that Blanco wanted a new facility.

The US Army was ready to turn over the cleaned building to receive patients but that didn't come to pass.

370 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:15:41pm

re: #365 OldLineTexan

I want I want I want.

That is on my wish list. The wife wants a new living room set and I want a Garand. Sigh.

371 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:16:05pm

re: #366 calcajun

Heavens! Imagine the squirrel and gopher massacres that have been prevented!

I used to have the photos of new rifles being torn from the boxes and fed into grinders.

372 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:16:11pm

re: #366 calcajun

Heavens! Imagine the squirrel and gopher massacres that have been prevented!

PETA was happy, but is now at odds with ACORN, which has just been decimated by the varmint population explosion.

373 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:16:19pm

re: #358 nikis-knight

Oddly enough, it is possible to find 5-9 people who happen to agree and yet are wrong.

In other words, your second statement doesn't follow from the first.

I got it; the right to an abortion will never be settled law for you.

I guess your next move is to get appointedf to the US Supreme Court, along with as many of your ideological clones as you can manage. Which is why you object to Judge Sotomayor, or ANY nominee that is anything other than an inflexibly adamantine, true-blue, dyed-in-the-world antiabortionist.

374 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:16:19pm

re: #362 Charles

I don't go for that dominionist stuff myself, but I've never heard them preach overt hatred. Terry is sick.

375 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:16:33pm
376 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:17:10pm

re: #370 calcajun

I want I want I want.

That is on my wish list. The wife wants a new living room set and I want a Garand. Sigh.

furniture is the biggest consumer ripoff ever invented...people fall for it tho

377 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:17:19pm

re: #364 Creeping Eruption

You gotta admit that they are just SO cute when they shoot flat-handed.

378 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:17:19pm

re: #360 taxfreekiller

"On my deal to take re-election money from the concrete companies that I award the highway deals to,,you do understand the need for re-election money do you not?"

like that, candid

well maybe...I mean do they just come out and ask her roe v wade opinion, gay rights or immigration. Can you imagine how damaging that would be if she were to overturn abortion (I realize she won't), but politically it would kill Obama. There are many "mind numbing" cases they rule on that most people don't understand how profoundly they are affected...at the same time, there are the hot button, up or down votes/decisions that would make them look like fools.

379 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:17:26pm

re: #364 Creeping Eruption

Comical, except it fools like him that get innocent people killed.

380 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:17:32pm

re: #287 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Or the Canadian government destroying the CF-105 Arrow, along with the tools & plans, assuring that none could ever be built again.

The Arrow has become the centerpiece of a number of Canadian nationalist conspiracy theories (a quick google search will uncover many of these). This was substantially fueled by an extremely reckless CBC propaganda mini-series called The Arrow, produced and shown in the 1980s and starring noted historian and technologist Dan Akroyd among others. This included disclaimers that it was a work of fiction but it used the real CF-105 and the actual historical background, hopelessly confusing more gullible viewers.
Among other things, this film gave Avro credit for developing the use of delta wings at supersonic speeds and for discovering the "area-rule" principle of supersonic aerodynamics. In fact, delta wings were pioneered by the German Alexander Lippisch and were used on a number of American supersonic aircraft that flew years before the Arrow, notably the F-102, F-106, and the B-58.
The area rule was developed by American Richard Whitcomb and was first applied on the YF-102A in 1954.
The series even made the absurd claim that the Arrow, with its air-breathing propulsion, aluminum structure, and lack of reaction controls, could fly in space.
AvroArrow.org has a debunking page about the CBC mini-series.
I was especially offended by the movie's implication that American scavengers bought up the scrap to steal its advanced technology for themselves.
Among the American aircraft that had already flown before the Arrow cancellation:
McDonnel F-4H Phantom
Convair B-58 , a bomber with mach 2 cruise and stainless steel structure (the B-58 was already in production in fact)
North American A-3J (later A-5) Vigilante
North American X-15 (which really could fly in space)
The XF-108 Rapier, a mach 3 interceptor that used many of the same systems as the Arrow, was in advanced development and was scheduled to fly during 1960.
The XB-70 design ( a gigantic mach 3 bomber) had been finalized and was waiting for a funding decision.
The Lockheed A-12 (which became the SR-71) was at least in the final stage of design and the design had probably been finalized by the time the Arrow was cancelled (It was declared winner of an Air Force design competition in August of 1959).

381 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:17:38pm

re: #374 Kenneth

I don't go for that dominionist stuff myself, but I've never heard them preach overt hatred. Terry is sick.

In my 55 years as one, i've nerve heard Catholics preach it eithre, but here we are, Terry calling himself a Catholic

382 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:17:51pm

re: #371 OldLineTexan

No--no more. Too painful to contemplate.

383 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:18:10pm

re: #373 Salamantis

I got it; the right to an abortion will never be settled law for you.

I guess your next move is to get appointedf to the US Supreme Court, along with as many of your ideological clones as you can manage. Which is why you object to Judge Sotomayor, or ANY nominee that is anything other than an inflexibly adamantine, true-blue, dyed-in-the-world antiabortionist.

In other words, it is your litmus test.

384 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:18:26pm
385 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:18:49pm

re: #375 buzzsawmonkey

"Chinks?" "Chinks?" Hate speech!

/

not again!!??...
[Link: www.hollyeats.com...]

386 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:19:00pm

re: #379 Kenneth

Comical, except it fools like him that get innocent people killed.

Poor choice in words to be sure. The worst part about it is that the range is in a store that has a national reputation for selling to straw buyers and I would have bet an enormous sum of money that this kid probably just got his drivers license.

387 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:19:17pm

re: #376 albusteve

furniture is the biggest consumer ripoff ever invented...people fall for it tho

Thats why my house is furnished the same way my dorm room was

Cable spools
Cinder blocks with pine boards
A Futon picked up on the side of the road

388 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:19:42pm

re: #373 Salamantis

I got it; the right to an abortion will never be settled law for you.

I guess your next move is to get appointedf to the US Supreme Court, along with as many of your ideological clones as you can manage. Which is why you object to Judge Sotomayor, or ANY nominee that is anything other than an inflexibly adamantine, true-blue, dyed-in-the-world antiabortionist.


Nonsense--it would be settled law if it were amended to the constitution like other dramatic changes in law.
Believe it or not, I'm not the first person to call penumbras and emanations bull shit, and not all those that do fit your giant pile of silly adjectives.

389 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:20:05pm

easier topic?...there was a hard one?

390 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:20:22pm

re: #381 sattv4u2

In my 55 years as one, i've nerve heard Catholics preach it eithre, but here we are, Terry calling himself a Catholic

Well, anyone willing to go through RCIA can convert, the Pope doesn't have to approve everyone who wants to be Catholic.

391 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:20:24pm

re: #380 shiplord kirel

The Arrow was a world class interceptor, but it was not the fastest, most advanced plane at that time, as is often claimed. It was good, but it was not unique.

392 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:20:37pm

re: #383 Salamantis

In other words, it is your litmus test.

Believe it or not, I knew what the phrase meant, but thanks anyway.

393 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:20:39pm

so...his question is..."do you like baseball?"

394 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:21:05pm

re: #387 sattv4u2

Thats why my house is furnished the same way my dorm room was

Cable spools
Cinder blocks with pine boards
A Futon picked up on the side of the road

Pine boards? Well, la-de-da! Plywood's good enough for me!

395 mrbaracuda  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:21:12pm

re: #393 Charpete67

Yeeeah. The ultimate test to decide whether or not she is indulging in un-American activities!

396 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:21:13pm

re: #387 sattv4u2

Thats why my house is furnished the same way my dorm room was

Cable spools
Cinder blocks with pine boards
A Futon picked up on the side of the road

My house isn't furnished the same way my dorm room was, it is the same furniture that was my dorm room.

Our bedroom set is my wifes childhood set.

Our kids? All new shit of course.

397 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:21:38pm

re: #381 sattv4u2

Absolutely true. Hatred is not a Christian value.

398 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:21:40pm

re: #265 mrbaracuda

OT: Rape-aXe! The first anti-rape condom for women [Link: www.antirape.co.za...]

Oweee. It's like tire spikes - for a penis.

I see one potential problem, though. Mr. Rapist is going to figure out pretty damn quickly that something has gone horribly, horribly wrong. Despite being in pain, he's probably still going to be capable of some pretty horrific payback before stumbling off, clutching his groin in agony. The women ought to have a strategy for dealing with that short window of horror and confusion before he turns on her again.

Once convicted of rape, though, I wouldn't at all mind seeing one of these little gems slipped onto the convict's package for the trip to jail. Just leave it on; maybe dust it with salt or a squirt of lemon juice first.

A worthy idea that just needs a little more work.

399 Beach Lover  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:22:07pm

Oh Chucky would be soo dissapointed to find out Fox News has cut him off to talk amongst themselves.

400 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:22:09pm

re: #388 nikis-knight

Nonsense--it would be settled law if it were amended to the constitution like other dramatic changes in law.
Believe it or not, I'm not the first person to call penumbras and emanations bull shit, and not all those that do fit your giant pile of silly adjectives.

I guess by your logic that Brown vs. Board of Education is not settled law, either, since there have been no particular constitutional amendments specifically affirming the illegitimacy of separate but equal public education.

401 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:22:20pm

re: #373 Salamantis

I got it; the right to an abortion will never be settled law for you.

I guess your next move is to get appointedf to the US Supreme Court, along with as many of your ideological clones as you can manage. Which is why you object to Judge Sotomayor, or ANY nominee that is anything other than an inflexibly adamantine, true-blue, dyed-in-the-world antiabortionist.

Slippery slope. Settled law, absolutely. But in a different time, either in the past or future, Roe V Wade may have been decided differently and THAT would have been "settled law"

402 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:22:55pm

re: #396 Creeping Eruption


Our bedroom set is my wife's childhood set.

You sleep in a Barbie Princess suite? Dude...

403 mrbaracuda  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:23:02pm

re: #398 SixDegrees

Backlash is what I thought of, too. But perhaps it gives the victim time to escape.

404 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:23:21pm

re: #387 sattv4u2

Thats why my house is furnished the same way my dorm room was

Cable spools
Cinder blocks with pine boards
A Futon picked up on the side of the road

Sounds comfy.
*creak*

405 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:23:35pm

re: #391 Kenneth

The Arrow was a world class interceptor, but it was not the fastest, most advanced plane at that time, as is often claimed. It was good, but it was not unique.

re: #391 Kenneth

The Arrow was a world class interceptor, but it was not the fastest, most advanced plane at that time, as is often claimed. It was good, but it was not unique.

What do you think was the most advanced plane at the time, ca. mid 1950s?

406 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:23:41pm

re: #397 Kenneth

Absolutely true. Hatred is not a Christian value.

That does not mean there are Christians that do not hate !!

(((hell , there are some that I hate !!)))

407 RedHouseBlueState  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:23:57pm

While I'm no fan of abortion, I do agree with LGF that Supreme Court nomination hearing is hardly the time or the place for screaming protests.

But does the fact Sen. Pin Head Leahy is telling American citizens, who he technically works for, they are "guests," in the People's House?

I could barely tolerate him when I lived in Vermont. He's unbearable these days.

408 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:24:08pm

re: #404 Spare O'Lake

Sounds comfy.
*creak*

you've heard my back, huh !?

409 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:24:08pm

re: #391 Kenneth

The Arrow was a world class interceptor, but it was not the fastest, most advanced plane at that time, as is often claimed. It was good, but it was not unique.

Arrow cultists are also fond of claiming that Canadian expatriates from the Arrow program were the only ones besides ex-Nazis who worked on the Apollo program, completely excluding Americans from any credit for its success.

410 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:24:16pm

re: #338 Charles

It doesn't get much more definitive than that, does it?

411 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:24:23pm

re: #402 Kenneth

You sleep in a Barbie Princess suite? Dude...

Well, it takes time, but you get used to your feet hanging over the bed . . .

412 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:24:39pm

re: #380 shiplord kirel

The XB-70 design ( a gigantic mach 3 bomber)

I love that plane. Dammit, we should have built it. The Rooskies would have simply surrended out of sheer awe.

413 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:25:07pm

re: #359 OldLineTexan

The FedGov has destroyed Kimber .22 training rifles rather than let them "fall into the hands of civilians".

Kimbers! No!

As a Kimber owner, I object! It's positively disgusting!

414 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:25:27pm

re: #412 Occasional Reader

I love that plane. Dammit, we should have built it. The Rooskies would have simply surrended out of sheer awe.

It was built, just never put into service. And it is an awesome piece of airplane.

415 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:25:45pm

re: #413 Dianna

Kimbers! No!

As a Kimber owner, I object! It's positively disgusting!

FATWA! JIHAD! ULULULULULULLU

416 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:25:49pm

"what is the Bush doctrine..."

417 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:25:50pm
meandering digressions and self-aggrandizing statements


Speechifying fools.
This is what we pay them for?
I guess at least as long as they're dealing with this shiny they won't be screwing the taxpayers/citizens.

I spit in their general direction.

418 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:25:58pm

She said she is NOT a "legal realist."

419 zombie  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:26:03pm

Good thing I didn't plan to do any blogging today or have a need to update my Holdren report, because the avalanche of traffic has inexplicably reached a crescendo today and I am frozen out of my own site due to a traffic overload from a zillion blogs. (Occasional connections periods possible, if you're lucky.)

The more people who try to access the evidence, the less available it becomes! Now those people who are unable to access my report won't be able to see the scans, and the percentage of people who think it couldn't possibly be true and is thus a hoax will greatly increase.

Moral:

Success is an extreme form of failure.

420 mrbaracuda  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:26:18pm

re: #418 Charles

She said she is NOT a "legal realist."

Meaning?

421 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:26:26pm

re: #411 Creeping Eruption

Well, it takes time, but you get used to your feet hanging over the bed . . .

Do you get used to that Ken guy hogging the blankets?

422 LeonidasOfSparta  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:26:44pm

Charles, thank you, thank you, thank you-- you didn't label these kooks as "rightwing extremists."

I cannot tell you how wonderful it is to see a KOOK LABELED AS A KOOK-- because, when you look carefully at these zealots and their extremism, "right and left wings" are indistinguishable.

Thank you.

423 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:26:44pm

re: #409 shiplord kirel

Arrow cultists are also fond of claiming that Canadian expatriates from the Arrow program were the only ones besides ex-Nazis who worked on the Apollo program, completely excluding Americans from any credit for its success.

Ha, I worked for the guy that did the parachutes for the Apollo capsule. And I met his captured German scientist mentor, too! So there!

/I am not kidding, either

And I worked with a guy that helped with the Apollo 1 fire investigation. Boy, was he still bitter ... long story.

424 witwwats  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:27:02pm

Funny how "conveniently" these people appear at exactly the right time to provide further fuel for the controversial fire here.

Are these "named and known" activists or just your generic ACORNITES in sheep's clothing?

Hmmm...

425 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:27:31pm

re: #352 calcajun

Also, street criminals don't much like M1911's either--does not hold enough ammo.

And it's so heavy, it tires out your wrist when you're holding it sideways.

426 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:27:53pm

re: #421 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Do you get used to that Ken guy hogging the blankets?

My wife and I made Ken and Barbie sleep in the guest room (even though they are not married. My wife and I are kind of liberal that way). We took the Master Suite.

427 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:28:03pm

re: #418 Charles

She said she is NOT a "legal realist."

I need a Q Tip ,,

I thought she said a REGAL BEAGLELIST

//

428 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:28:20pm

re: #423 OldLineTexan

And I met his captured German scientist mentor, too!

What, like he kept the guy locked up in his basement?

/

429 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:28:26pm

re: #401 sattv4u2

Slippery slope. Settled law, absolutely. But in a different time, either in the past or future, Roe V Wade may have been decided differently and THAT would have been "settled law"

Antiabortionists are fond of trying to equate Roe vs. Wade to the Dred Scott decision. But of course, the difference is that the Dred Scott decision denied rights to a class of people (blacks), while Roe vs. Wade granted rights to a class of people (women). Rights typically expand in our nation as time goes on (blacks, women and gays are all examples); I cannot think of a single case in which a previously affirmed right has been subsequently judicially revoked in America on a national scale, with the exception of Prohibition (and we ALL know how well that worked out).

430 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:28:50pm

re: #427 sattv4u2

I need a Q Tip ,,

I thought she said a REGAL BEAGLELIST

//

earn more sessions by sleaving?

431 zombie  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:28:55pm

re: #424 witwwats

Funny how "conveniently" these people appear at exactly the right time to provide further fuel for the controversial fire here.

Are these "named and known" activists or just your generic ACORNITES in sheep's clothing?

Hmmm...

Are you joking?

They are anti-abortion activists, who planned to do this. No need for a false flag operation, when there are plenty of willing real volunteers for such a disruption.

Code Pink has done it so many times, it's become a standard format for extremists to get their views heard -- interrupt a Senate hearing.

432 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:29:15pm

re: #420 mrbaracuda

Meaning?

Wiki: The essential tenet of legal realism is that all law is made by human beings and, thus, is subject to human foibles.

433 LatinGent  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:29:23pm

re: #425 Occasional Reader

And it's so heavy, it tires out your wrist when you're holding it sideways.

As a `Smith I`ve found that the slide isn`t thick enough to dovetail on the sides. Oh well, can`t please every customer!

434 Beach Lover  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:29:23pm

It depends on the meaning of "is" is...

435 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:29:27pm

re: #419 zombie

Success is an extreme form of failure.

Time for a niiice walk...step away from the keyboard, get some fresh air...avoid the intertubes for a while...

436 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:29:29pm

Happy 4:30.

You know, for the stoner who showed up 10 minutes late.

437 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:29:49pm
438 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:30:12pm

re: #431 zombie

And the weird thing is that the zealots still haven't figured out that those watching are irritated and think said zealots are idiots.

439 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:30:53pm

re: #438 Dianna

And the weird thing is that the zealots still haven't figured out that those watching are irritated and think said zealots are idiots.

I'm a sucker for idiots yelling stuff at me.

440 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:31:36pm

re: #428 Occasional Reader

What, like he kept the guy locked up in his basement?

/

Theo Knacke, inventor of the ribbon parachute

441 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:32:03pm

re: #436 Ben Hur

Happy 4:30.

You know, for the stoner who showed up 10 minutes late.

Remember a couple years back when some "medicinal marijuana" advocates wanted to put the question to a referendum (somewhere... California, maybe), but missed the filing deadline? Classic.

442 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:32:10pm

re: #412 Occasional Reader

I love that plane. Dammit, we should have built it. The Rooskies would have simply surrended out of sheer awe.

I lived at Edwards in the 60s and saw the two XB-70s fly a number of times, absolutely astonishing noise.
The B-70 was not developed further because it was thought that surface-to-air missiles had rendered any attempt at "higher, faster, farther" operations hopelessly suicidal. The capability of SAMs was vastly oversold throughout the world during that period, as it still is today in some circles (for example, among the defeatists who assert that Iran's acquisition of Russian S-300 SAMs would make attacks on the nuke facilities impossible.)
In the UK, the infamous 1957 white paper declared that missile development had made manned aircraft obsolete, resulting in the cancellation of a host of advanced programs. The British industry has not recovered to this day. Similar thinking definitely had a role in the cancellation of the Arrow itself.

443 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:32:16pm

re: #439 debutaunt

I'm a sucker for idiots yelling stuff at me.

I tend to think it's fortunate the idiots are usually on the other end of the TV screen. I'm not precisely the most patient person out there.

444 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:32:27pm

re: #440 OldLineTexan

try againYour text to link...

445 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:32:52pm

re: #439 debutaunt

I'm a sucker for idiots yelling stuff at me.

Bought a lot of Sham-Wows!, did we?

446 LesLein  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:32:53pm

". . . anti-abortion movement . . ."

Shouldn't that be the "pro-life movement"? Groups are called by their preferred term.

447 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:32:58pm

re: #444 OldLineTexan

Curse you, Amazon!

/shakes fist

448 KenJen  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:33:03pm

re: #444 OldLineTexan

try againYour text to link...

Strike two.

449 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:33:14pm

re: #441 Occasional Reader

Remember a couple years back when some "medicinal marijuana" advocates wanted to put the question to a referendum (somewhere... California, maybe), but missed the filing deadline? Classic.

LOL!

Is that true!

HAHAHAH!

450 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:33:35pm

re: #429 Salamantis

Antiabortionists are fond of trying to equate Roe vs. Wade to the Dred Scott decision. But of course, the difference is that the Dred Scott decision denied rights to a class of people (blacks), while Roe vs. Wade granted rights to a class of people (women). Rights typically expand in our nation as time goes on (blacks, women and gays are all examples); I cannot think of a single case in which a previously affirmed right has been subsequently judicially revoked in America on a national scale, with the exception of Prohibition (and we ALL know how well that worked out).

All well and fine, but that really missed MY point. If the Supreme Court had been made up just a LITTLE different during Roe V Wade, there would have been a different result ( settled law ). I'm sure if that were the case the pro choice people would (as they should) be as adamant of changing the result as the pro life people are now

451 wintercat  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:33:45pm

Has anyone asked her yet to name the newspapers she reads?
/

452 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:33:53pm

re: #449 Ben Hur

LOL!

Is that true!

HAHAHAH!

I don't know if it's true, but it ought to be.

453 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:33:55pm

re: #429 Salamantis

while Roe vs. Wade granted rights to a class of people (women)

After first inventing that right, of course.

(To be clear, I am moderate to confused on the abortion question; but Roe, as a piece of legal reasoning, is an absurdity.)

454 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:34:00pm

re: #403 mrbaracuda

Backlash is what I thought of, too. But perhaps it gives the victim time to escape.

That's possible.

It just occurred to me that this might also be used by certain women to settle grudges that had nothing to do with rape. "Oh, don't worry about your late alimony and child support payments, dear. You know, it's been a long time, and you're still attractive..."

Oh, well. Nothing's perfect.

455 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:34:46pm

re: #445 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Bought a lot of Sham-Wows!, did we?

I just yelled back about what a stupid name they chose.

456 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:34:52pm

re: #449 Ben Hur

LOL!

Is that true!

HAHAHAH!

I cannot provide you with a link, but I do recall reading about it.

457 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:34:57pm

re: #441 Occasional Reader

Remember a couple years back when some "medicinal marijuana" advocates wanted to put the question to a referendum (somewhere... California, maybe), but missed the filing deadline? Classic.

That was in a Simpsons episode! Which came first, I wonder? "I can't believe we spaced on the date!"

458 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:34:59pm

re: #425 Occasional Reader

Why do they hold their guns sideways anyway?

459 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:35:03pm
460 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:35:08pm

re: #450 sattv4u2

All well and fine, but that really missed MY point. If the Supreme Court had been made up just a LITTLE different during Roe V Wade, there would have been a different result ( settled law ). I'm sure if that were the case the pro choice people would (as they should) be as adamant of changing the result as the pro life people are now

It would have required more than a minimum difference, as Roe vs. Wade was a 7-2 decision.

461 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:35:36pm

re: #413 Dianna

Kimbers! No!

As a Kimber owner, I object! It's positively disgusting!

What??
Verily, thou doest shit me?

462 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:36:00pm

re: #445 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Bought a lot of Sham-Wows!, did we?

No. But I can't live without my Slap-Chop.

463 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:36:01pm

re: #458 Kenneth

Why do they hold their guns sideways anyway?

Screw that, why do they push the bullets by pumping the gun forward?

/ANSWER: They're STUPID

464 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:36:26pm

re: #449 Ben Hur

...Dude! You forgot to spring FOREWARD!!!
...And it' AUGUST!!
LOL
The good old days...

465 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:36:49pm

re: #453 Occasional Reader

After first inventing that right, of course.

(To be clear, I am moderate to confused on the abortion question; but Roe, as a piece of legal reasoning, is an absurdity.)

The individual level seems best to me. If I had to face that decision, I'd like the decision to be made by me.

466 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:37:01pm

re: #458 Kenneth

Why do they hold their guns sideways anyway?

It looks cool. Hollywood says so.

I say, let's back Hollywood on this one. Anything that inhibits gangbanger marksmanship is a good thing. (Although, arguably, we'd be better served if they had better aim, then they'd shoot each other instead of spraying bystanders.)

467 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:37:04pm

re: #419 zombie

Good thing I didn't plan to do any blogging today or have a need to update my Holdren report, because the avalanche of traffic has inexplicably reached a crescendo today and I am frozen out of my own site due to a traffic overload from a zillion blogs. (Occasional connections periods possible, if you're lucky.)

The more people who try to access the evidence, the less available it becomes! Now those people who are unable to access my report won't be able to see the scans, and the percentage of people who think it couldn't possibly be true and is thus a hoax will greatly increase.

Moral:

Success is an extreme form of failure.

Not so much. You've just saturated your server's bandwidth. Which means you're more or less continuously reaching the very largest audience it is capable of serving. There's no reduction in availability, only a ceiling on it.

468 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:37:21pm

re: #458 Kenneth

Why do they hold their guns sideways anyway?

My theory is that it stems from movies & TV - if you hold the gun sideways, the camera gets a better look at your face.

469 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:37:24pm

One ... last ... time ...

Theo Knacke wrote the book on parachutes

470 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:37:28pm

re: #460 Salamantis

It would have required more than a minimum difference, as Roe vs. Wade was a 7-2 decision.

3 people

as I said ,, in a differnt time with a differnt court

3 people

471 WinterCat  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:37:28pm

I posed this question on the previous thread regarding these hearings:

If I, as a potential juror, demonstrate in any way that I am biased, or if any of the attorneys in a case believe that I have a bias based on my life experiences, I can be -- should be -- excluded from the jury pool.

So how is it that a judge whom Obama has touted as a judge with empathy -- this woman who says that judges set policy from the bench -- how is it that she can be called qualified for a seat on the Supreme Court because of her life experiences and her personal perspective when I would be thrown out of the jury for that exact reason?

472 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:37:36pm

re: #396 Creeping Eruption

My house isn't furnished the same way my dorm room was, it is the same furniture that was my dorm room.

Our bedroom set is my wifes childhood set.

Our kids? All new shit of course.

Dude--IKEA would be step up for you. Really.

473 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:37:58pm

re: #457 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That was in a Simpsons episode! Which came first, I wonder? "I can't believe we spaced on the date!"

I recall the Simpsons episode. But I'm at least fairly sure that I read about an actual incident... I think it was at The Corner on NRO.

474 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:38:28pm

re: #460 Salamantis

If the decision were different, I don't think the pro-choice people would just roll over and accept the decision as "settled law". The current court may be as close at 5-4...that doesn't mean one side is right and the other is wrong. Good people simply disagree no matter what the law is.

475 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:38:28pm

re: #468 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My theory is that it stems from movies & TV - if you hold the gun sideways, the camera gets a better look at your face.

Buy some of these.

476 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:38:54pm

re: #468 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My theory is that it stems from movies & TV - if you hold the gun sideways, the camera gets a better look at your face.

Interesting hypothesis.

477 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:39:03pm

Looks like Lindsey Graham needs to hammer the "wise Latina" comment yet again.

478 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:39:18pm

re: #474 Charpete67

If the decision were different, I don't think the pro-choice people would just roll over and accept the decision as "settled law". The current court may be as close at 5-4...that doesn't mean one side is right and the other is wrong. Good people simply disagree no matter what the law is.

That was my point in 450

479 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:39:34pm

re: #470 sattv4u2

3 people

as I said ,, in a differnt time with a differnt court

3 people

That's one third of the entire court.

You could just as easily say that a 9-0 decision against your position would be decided in your position's favor if only 5 people were different.

480 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:39:47pm

re: #461 Van Helsing

What??
Verily, thou doest shit me?

No. I own a Kimber .45. Eclipse II, in fact. I deeply love my Kimber.

481 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:39:48pm

(Now... with CrimsonTrace or LaserMax, you probably COULD hold the pistol sideways, and still shoot reasonably well.)

482 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:40:06pm

re: #477 Charles

Looks like Lindsey Graham needs to hammer the "wise Latina" comment yet again.

TV camera is on. They all have to dip their beaks in the well!

483 mrbaracuda  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:40:25pm

re: #432 debutaunt

Thanks.

484 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:40:29pm

re: #473 Occasional Reader

I recall the Simpsons episode. But I'm at least fairly sure that I read about an actual incident... I think it was at The Corner on NRO.

Sometimes life imitates The Simpsons. See the Albuquerque Isotopes minor league baseball team.

485 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:40:42pm
486 zombie  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:40:57pm

re: #467 SixDegrees

Not so much. You've just saturated your server's bandwidth. Which means you're more or less continuously reaching the very largest audience it is capable of serving. There's no reduction in availability, only a ceiling on it.

But the point is, if my server can handle, say, 1,000 people at a time (I have no idea the real number -- just as an example), but 4,000 people are trying to access it at any given moment, then 1,000 get to see the evidence, but 3,000 can't see the evidence, so walk away frustrated and unconvinced that the quotes in my report are authentic. So, although the number of people who see the report is indeed at the maximum, the percentage of people who can see it falls precipitously, and more people walk away thinking it must be all fake.

487 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:41:08pm

re: #442 shiplord kirel

The Valkyrie was such a sexy airframe...
80 MT on target, any where, any time.

They are correct that AA missile technology made them obsolete before they were produced.

That stealth thing, though... still works.
Light 'em up enough to see 'em and you get a radio seeking missile up your ass.

488 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:41:11pm

re: #466 Occasional Reader

Two rival gangs had a shootout on Yonge St. in Toronto on Boxing Day a few years ago. They completely missed each other, but managed to hit several innocent bystanders, killing one. They were holding their guns sideways, so the kick moved their arms sideways, instead of up. The wild shots fly around at human level, striking other people.

489 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:41:25pm

re: #480 Dianna

I own a Kimber .45. Eclipse

A common mistake. Actually they're correctly referred to as "Emagazines".

/

490 pingjockey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:41:53pm

Good afternoon folks. Just got home. Need to wash grease off of me before going to the doc. I am damn glad y'all are watching this crap and not me. Limbaugh was having kittens about it. I'm sorry as I see it, cap and trade and the health care fubar are more important right now. This woman is gonna be confirmed and there isn't a thing the repubs can do about it.

491 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:42:05pm

re: #489 Occasional Reader

A common mistake. Actually they're correctly referred to as "Emagazines".

/

The bullet holder?

492 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:42:11pm

re: #468 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Dirty Harry never held his gun sideways. Got to be some stupid shit reason, like wearing pants with the waist at your knees.

493 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:42:18pm

re: #488 Kenneth

Two rival gangs had a shootout on Yonge St. in Toronto

You must be mistaken. Guns are illegal in Canada.

/

494 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:42:37pm

re: #476 Occasional Reader

Interesting hypothesis.

I've only ever seen people do it on TV & movies. I don't know how many of us have ever seen someone in the real world try to shoot a gun sideways.

495 pingjockey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:43:06pm

re: #493 Occasional Reader
Heh.

496 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:43:12pm

re: #491 debutaunt

The bullet holder?

How would I know, I'm just a law... talking... guy.

/while we're on The Simpsons

497 LatinGent  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:43:13pm

re: #492 Kenneth

Dirty Harry never held his gun sideways. Got to be some stupid shit reason, like wearing pants with the waist at your knees.

Yes, but its so much fun to watch them run..

498 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:43:22pm

re: #453 Occasional Reader

After first inventing that right, of course.

(To be clear, I am moderate to confused on the abortion question; but Roe, as a piece of legal reasoning, is an absurdity.)

Penumbras don't thrill you?

499 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:43:25pm

Wold's oldest penis discovered...
400 Million-Year-Old Male Sex Member ID'd

Scientists have confirmed the oldest penis-like structure in an ancient fish specimen.

The discovery of the 400 million-year-old reproductive organ is one of the earliest examples of internal fertilization in vertebrate animals. Understanding the anatomy of these ancient fish could reveal further details in the evolution of vertebrates -- including humans.

500 WinterCat  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:43:31pm

OT
UK education system says teen sex can be fun.

Who the frack are these people in the British National Healthcare Service??

501 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:43:35pm

re: #479 Salamantis

That's one third of the entire court.

You could just as easily say that a 9-0 decision against your position would be decided in your position's favor if only 5 people were different.

Geezz ,, you are totally either
A) missing the point (because to acknowledge it hurts your argument
or
B) trying to detract from it (for the same reason as A)

ANd just so you know,,, I do NOT think abortion should be illegal, so don't try to paint me as some far right anti abortion christian zealot

502 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:43:35pm

re: #489 Occasional Reader

A common mistake. Actually they're correctly referred to as "Emagazines".

/

I'm feeling stupid, OR. I don't get that one.

Attribute it to my headache and unhappy stomach.

503 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:44:06pm

re: #496 Occasional Reader

How would I know, I'm just a law... talking... guy.

/while we're on The Simpsons

I get a bonus for saying dumb gun-related stuff.

504 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:44:12pm

re: #492 Kenneth

Dirty Harry never held his gun sideways. Got to be some stupid shit reason, like wearing pants with the waist at your knees.

That stems from prison culture, since you have to surrender your belt when you're in prison.

505 tradewind  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:44:21pm

I'm sorry, but she is totally obfuscating now re the Latina remark in her responses to Lindsey Graham.
She's visibly irked at the questioning. I'd feel better about her if she had just admitted that she was showboating with her colleagues back then instead of these lame attempts to mitigate the meaning of what she said.

506 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:44:21pm
507 pingjockey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:44:34pm

re: #500 WinterCat
That is obvious as hell!

508 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:45:03pm

re: #499 Killgore Trout

Wold's oldest penis discovered...
400 Million-Year-Old Male Sex Member ID'd

and the weird thing is Barney Franks lip prints were on it !!

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD !

509 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:45:41pm

re: #465 debutaunt

The individual level seems best to me. If I had to face that decision, I'd like the decision to be made by me.

Exactly. Nowhere in the US Constitution is the right to make that decision seized from the individual and arrogated to the State.

510 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:45:47pm

re: #508 sattv4u2

and the weird thing is Barney Franks lip prints were on it !!

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD !

No biscuit for you!

511 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:45:49pm

re: #494 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I've only ever seen people do it on TV & movies. I don't know how many of us have ever seen someone in the real world try to shoot a gun sideways.

Aside from Kenneth's story above, I've heard reports from others (including lizards here) of seeing "yoots" at pistol ranges holding their pistols sideways (and not being able to hit the broadside of a barn).

In the allegedly based-on-fact movie Cidade de Deus, about life in the Rio slums, there's a reference to how one gang's lethality increased dramatically when they managed to recruit a former Brazilian Army marksman who actually knew how to shoot straight.

512 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:45:52pm

Palin's secret plan unveiled: She's going to become the next Ross Perot...

Palin Hints At Independent Conservative Movement


Genius!

513 turn  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:46:01pm

re: #499 Killgore Trout

Wold's oldest penis discovered...
400 Million-Year-Old Male Sex Member ID'd

Oh, so that' where the term petrified wood came from.

514 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:46:09pm

re: #500 WinterCat

OT
UK education system says teen sex can be fun.

Who the frack are these people in the British National Healthcare Service??

Let me know where to volunteer for the "Is sex with Brazilian supermodels fun?" survey.

515 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:46:45pm

re: #501 sattv4u2

Geezz ,, you are totally either
A) missing the point (because to acknowledge it hurts your argument
or
B) trying to detract from it (for the same reason as A)

ANd just so you know,,, I do NOT think abortion should be illegal, so don't try to paint me as some far right anti abortion christian zealot

My mathematics is as valid as is yours.

516 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:46:46pm

re: #500 WinterCat

OT
UK education system says teen sex can be fun.

Who the frack are these people in the British National Healthcare Service??

Un-elected bureaucrats?
Just guessin'...

517 JacksonTn  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:47:15pm

Hey Ya'll ...

Any person Obama would have put up would have gotten confirmed ... she is NOT the worst that could have happened ... the dog and pony show going on is stupid ... confirm her already and get on with something else ...

Spanish Harlem Mona Lisa ... the new justice ...

Back to work ...

518 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:47:39pm

re: #513 turn

Oh, so that' where the term petrified wood came from.

LOL!

519 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:47:43pm

re: #497 LatinGent

Yes, but its so much fun to watch them run..

Actually, it's hysterical watching them try to cross the street with the crotch somewhere between their knees and ankles. I've seen 'em have to pick up the hems like victorian ladies when they needed to move a little faster.

520 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:47:46pm

re: #502 Dianna

I'm feeling stupid, OR. I don't get that one.

Attribute it to my headache and unhappy stomach.

"E clips"... "E magazines"... dumb joke.

521 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:47:46pm

re: #515 Salamantis

My mathematics is as valid as is yours.

i'm not disputing your math and you know it. The "math" was never the issue

522 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:47:47pm

re: #499 Killgore Trout

Wold's oldest penis discovered...
400 Million-Year-Old Male Sex Member ID'd

Was it stuck in an ancient, razor-lined condom?

523 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:48:47pm

re: #502 Dianna

I'm feeling stupid, OR. I don't get that one.

Attribute it to my headache and unhappy stomach.

clip/magazine argument

it was a stretch

524 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:49:07pm
525 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:49:34pm

re: #519 Dianna

Actually, it's hysterical watching them try to cross the street with the crotch somewhere between their knees and ankles. I've seen 'em have to pick up the hems like victorian ladies when they needed to move a little faster.

The cops LOVE it. I know a Sheriff who has arrested more than one guy, since he had his pants and wallet from the chase!

526 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:50:02pm

re: #524 buzzsawmonkey

If women have to consider wearing artificial shark mouths in their privates when they go walking, the society has already imploded.

Africa imploded long ago, bwana.

527 WinterCat  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:50:08pm

re: #514 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Let me know where to volunteer for the "Is sex with Brazilian supermodels fun?" survey.

Sorry, but you have to be underage to qualify for entry to the program.
/

528 turn  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:50:41pm

re: #522 OldLineTexan

Was it stuck in an ancient, razor-lined condom?

No it was covered with hair, member?

529 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:50:44pm

re: #509 Salamantis

Exactly. Nowhere in the US Constitution is the right to make that decision seized from the individual and arrogated to the State.

The Constitution does not purport to list every kind of law that can be made at the state and local level.

In Roe, the court "discovered" a constitutional BAN on the ability of states to make laws in a certain area, that simply isn't there. (This is independent, by the way, of whether one agrees with the outcome of the case.)

530 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:51:48pm

re: #525 OldLineTexan
I would think , as often as they find the need to RUN!!
They would be wearing spandex running shorts and their
shoes would actually be laced up!!

531 WinterCat  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:52:26pm

re: #512 Killgore Trout

Palin's secret plan unveiled: She's going to become the next Ross Perot...

Palin Hints At Independent Conservative Movement

Genius!

This is going to get veerrryyy interesting.

532 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:53:05pm

re: #526 OldLineTexan

Africa imploded long ago, bwana.

A South African car alarm company marketed a product designed to deter carjackers. When unauthorized individuals touched the exterior door handles, jets of burning flames would shoot out of conceal nozzles.

The manufacturer was forced to take the product off the market. Pity.

533 albusteve  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:53:11pm

the truth shall set you free!...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

534 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:53:29pm

re: #524 buzzsawmonkey

If women have to consider wearing artificial shark mouths in their privates when they go walking,

Could we call that a Mako-ver?

535 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:53:36pm

re: #521 sattv4u2

i'm not disputing your math and you know it. The "math" was never the issue

And my point is that a 7-2 majority cannot be credibly construed as a narrow decision.

Sure, in a different time, in the past, a majority of Supreme Court justices might have decided against a woman's right to choose abortion. But in a different time, in the past, a majority of Supreme Court justices also decided against the right of blacks to be US citizens.

We're not going to return to those past times. And thankfully so. For both blacks and women.

536 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:54:36pm

re: #477 Charles

Again-- this is all scripted. Each has a role they have to play. Sic transit gloria mundi.

537 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:55:15pm

re: #487 Van Helsing

The Valkyrie was such a sexy airframe...
80 MT on target, any where, any time.

They are correct that AA missile technology made them obsolete before they were produced.

That stealth thing, though... still works.
Light 'em up enough to see 'em and you get a radio seeking missile up your ass.

That is not the case. If SAMs made the XB-70 obsolete, they would have done the same for the SR-71, which had about the same performance. The SR's radar cross section was smaller but it was still large enough for it to be tracked over 100 miles away. There is a world of historical experience dealing with this, from the relative failure of SAM 2s in Vietnam to Israel's inability to intercept intruding MiG-25s until the 1980s.
I worked with air defense systems for 25 years. Passive homing ("radio-seeking") has never been made to work reliably to the best of my knowledge, though it can be used to gain a lock-on for other types of guidance. In dealing with SAMs that do lock on, high speed and altitude are actually advantages in some ways since they exponentially increase the engagement time. The more time a missile is under active guidance, the more time there is to interfere with it.

538 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:55:34pm

re: #471 WinterCat

I posed this question on the previous thread regarding these hearings:

If I, as a potential juror, demonstrate in any way that I am biased, or if any of the attorneys in a case believe that I have a bias based on my life experiences, I can be -- should be -- excluded from the jury pool.

So how is it that a judge whom Obama has touted as a judge with empathy -- this woman who says that judges set policy from the bench -- how is it that she can be called qualified for a seat on the Supreme Court because of her life experiences and her personal perspective when I would be thrown out of the jury for that exact reason?

Being biased isn't an automatic disqualification from a jury. Attorneys generally favor jurists who they perceive as being biased toward their position in a case. And the problem, when it is one, isn't one of existing bias; the issue is whether you can still hear all the evidence and weigh it rationally, and not allow your prejudices undue sway.

Everyone is biased. Bias is part of human existence. Most adults are well versed at tempering their bias through logic and evidence, particularly in a court setting.

The Supreme Court, as the ultimate arbiter of existing law, hears cases that inevitably scrape against the existing envelope of precedent. Almost by definition, the cases they accept will strain the boundaries of current interpretation of law. Although their decisions will, first and foremost, be grounded in precedent - the bedrock of the legal system - and reasoned argument, at the end of the day decisions made by a Supreme Court justice must be guided by personal conviction when reason and precedent provide no clear cut answer. It's in the nature of the job, more so than at any other level of the legal establishment.

Any individual may not care for the way a particular justice rules, due to the highly personal nature of the court's ultimate decision making process. That's why there are nine of them, not one, and why a majority is required to move a ruling forward.

Biases are a fact of life. If you don't like Sotomayor's biases, the short answer is, simply, "tough." You need to elect Presidents who will select using a different set of biases. But you will never find a candidate who is free from bias, no matter who nominates them.

539 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:55:51pm

re: #10 sattv4u2

Problem is, this last guy (15 or so minutes ago) was white, middle aged, clean shaven and in a suit and tie

And still crazy!

540 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:55:59pm

re: #536 calcajun

Again-- this is all scripted. Each has a role they have to play. Sic transit gloria mundi.

It is a very bad play.

541 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:56:01pm

re: #534 Occasional Reader

Could we call that a Mako-ver?

That one needed to be nursed along.

542 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:56:01pm
543 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:56:13pm

And speaking of burning cars... it's party time in France again:

France unrest before Bastille Day

French youths (sic) set 317 cars on fire and wounded 13 police officers overnight during a series of riots on the eve of the Bastille Day holiday, police say. Paris police said 240 people had been arrested, almost double the number held after unrest on the same day last year.

The injured officers are suffering from hearing difficulties caused by home-made explosives blowing up beside them.

Last week, the death of a young man in police custody caused three nights of riots in the southern town of Firminy. Police said Mohamed Benmouna, a 21-year-old of Algerian origin, had died after trying to hang himself in a cell earlier in the week.

544 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:56:39pm

re: #540 OldLineTexan

It is a very bad play.

I never said it was good drama and farces are supposed to be funny.

545 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:56:42pm

re: #532 Kenneth

I remember that.

546 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:56:56pm

re: #537 shiplord kirel

That is not the case. If SAMs made the XB-70 obsolete, they would have done the same for the SR-71

I was wondering about that. IIRC, the Soviets tried numerous times to shoot down the SR-71; the Blackbird pilots basically just laughed at them and flew away.

547 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:56:57pm

re: #531 WinterCat

I would actually applaud the move if the GOP was healthy and in good shape. She'd take the loons with her and give the GOP a better chance of attracting moderates. They way things are now she'll just bleed off votes and we'll have two weak "conservative" parties.

548 kynna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:57:03pm

re: #508 sattv4u2

and the weird thing is Barney Franks lip prints were on it !!

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD !

I want you to know that I almost updinged. But the image you placed in my brain made me reconsider. Funny, but, oh crap am I going to pay for the giggle with nightmares. o_O

549 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:57:09pm

re: #20 brainsample

Gee, maybe the anti-abortion "kooks" are taking a page from the environmental "kooks", the feminist "kooks", the anti-war "kooks". If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

No, all kooks work from the same book. It just has different covers.

550 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:57:41pm

re: #486 zombie

But the point is, if my server can handle, say, 1,000 people at a time (I have no idea the real number -- just as an example), but 4,000 people are trying to access it at any given moment, then 1,000 get to see the evidence, but 3,000 can't see the evidence, so walk away frustrated and unconvinced that the quotes in my report are authentic. So, although the number of people who see the report is indeed at the maximum, the percentage of people who can see it falls precipitously, and more people walk away thinking it must be all fake.

You're really a glass-half-empty kind of reanimated corpse, aren't you?

;-)

551 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:58:03pm
552 tradewind  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:58:34pm

Leaky Leahy gives it the old college revisionist try, but no go:

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

553 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:58:42pm

re: #529 Occasional Reader

The Constitution does not purport to list every kind of law that can be made at the state and local level.

In Roe, the court "discovered" a constitutional BAN on the ability of states to make laws in a certain area, that simply isn't there. (This is independent, by the way, of whether one agrees with the outcome of the case.)

Only in collectivist totalitarianisms and theocracies are such intensely personal and private decisions either mandated or forbidden by the state - either by banning abortion, or by mandating it (as China does today). In a constitutional democracy, the right to make such intensely personal and private decisions should be retained by the individual citizens concerned. Which is precisely why the Us Supreme Court cited citizens' personal privacy rights in deciding Row vs. Wade.

554 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:58:57pm

re: #543 Kenneth

And speaking of burning cars... it's party time in France again:

France unrest before Bastille Day

Frankly, given the history of the mob & the French Revolution, small-scale rioting seems to be a perfectly appropriate way to celebrate Bastille Day.

555 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:59:06pm

re: #512 Killgore Trout

Palin's secret plan unveiled: She's going to become the next Ross Perot...

Palin Hints At Independent Conservative Movement

Genius!

dr. pepper all over my desk now

556 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:59:32pm

re: #535 Salamantis

And my point is that a 7-2 majority cannot be credibly construed as a narrow decision.

Sure, in a different time, in the past, a majority of Supreme Court justices might have decided against a woman's right to choose abortion. But in a different time, in the past, a majority of Supreme Court justices also decided against the right of blacks to be US citizens.

We're not going to return to those past times. And thankfully so. For both blacks and women.

And you don't think it will come up again in front of a future court even though the law is "settled"?

Lets play it your way! In this day and age and from here on out, if Dred Scott is re-visted there is NO way segregation would be re-instated. No way individual rights for blacks to be rescinded.
If (when) Roe/ Wade is revisited, can you give that same guarantee?

I think not,, and THAT is (has been) my point

557 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:59:38pm

re: #544 calcajun

I never said it was good drama and farces are supposed to be funny.

It's like a school play, where I'm Mr. Wilson and hate ALL the kids in it.

558 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 1:59:55pm

re: #533 albusteve

the truth shall set you free!...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

It's interesting how they say the King was not a part of any party and bigger than any party...but then went on to say he would never be a part of the Republican party.

Maybe I'm off on this, but wasn't there a higher percentage of Republicans that voted for the civil rights bills than Democrats? Wasn't it Republicans that authored the bill? Wasn't it democrats (Al Gore Sr) that filibustered the bill?

Maybe someone knows where all of this info is.

559 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:00:10pm

re: #555 spacejesus

dr. pepper all over my desk now

i was sure you did coke

560 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:00:20pm

re: #542 buzzsawmonkey

The media don't mention, for the most part, how feral South Africa has become since the advent of majority rule, but a few months ago NPR, in a rare bout of candor, described how the violence was so bad there that "even the young black people are leaving."

I remember talking to a young woman from Johannesburg about ten years ago, and she told me what a delightfully novel experience it was for her simply to be able to walk down the street after dark. And this was in Lima, Peru, mind you, not the safest city in the world.

561 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:00:22pm

re: #533 albusteve

the truth shall set you free!...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The truth was hijacked a long time ago.

This is why we have Grand Kleagle Byrd in congress and mass amnesia that the democrat party was the party if Jim Crow and separate but equal.

He wrote such a nice letter regarding the integration of the military...
In 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist Mississippi Senator Theodore Bilbo:[9]
“ I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds. ”

— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944, [6][10]

And since 1959 he has served in government.

562 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:00:25pm

re: #26 calcajun

Anyone starting to miss "Code Pink"? BTW, where is Cindy Sheehan these days? She's been awfully quiet since she got her head handed to her in the November election.

Code Pink is very busy! Last I checked they're objecting to drones in Afghanistan and Pakistan, objecting to Israel in general, and objecting to something else...oh yes, a US base in Italy I think.

Sheehan I don't know.

563 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:00:39pm

SCrolling waaay too fast.

Saw something about a 400 million year old penis and Sarah Palin?!?

The election is over! We lost! Get over it!

564 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:00:57pm
565 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:01:10pm

re: #542 buzzsawmonkey

The media don't mention, for the most part, how feral South Africa has become since the advent of majority rule, but a few months ago NPR, in a rare bout of candor, described how the violence was so bad there that "even the young black people are leaving."

Ian Smith may have had a point.

566 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:01:15pm

re: #28 quiet man

Momma Moonbat disappeared after threatening Nanci Pelosi

She threatened Nancy Pelosi? What happened?

567 zombie  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:01:24pm

re: #550 SixDegrees

You're really a glass-half-empty kind of reanimated corpse, aren't you?

;-)

There's any water in the glass? Where? I don't see it.

568 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:01:24pm

re: #555 spacejesus

I'd normally just brush it off as rumor but that post is on her own PAC webpage so it's likely that it's a teaser for an upcoming announcement.

569 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:01:50pm

Have a great night, Lizzies!

570 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:01:55pm

That's Citizen Shr_Nfr to you Leahy.

571 tradewind  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:01:56pm
My problem watching this hearing is that I keep dozing off during the long questions full of meandering digressions and self-aggrandizing statements.


I think you meant:
'My problem watching this hearing is that I keep dozing off during the long self-aggrandizing statements meandering into a sprinkling of questions'.

572 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:02:00pm

re: #553 Salamantis

Only in collectivist totalitarianisms and theocracies are such intensely personal and private decisions either mandated or forbidden by the state

And whether or not a "right to privacy" (or a "right to abortion") is a good idea, it's just not in the Constitution. The justices... made it up. And THAT'S not a good idea in a democracy, either.

573 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:02:17pm

re: #553 Salamantis

Well, you got one thing right: it ought to be referred to as "Row v. Wade" (pronounced British fashion) to mark its constant contentiousness.

574 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:02:29pm

Testing a new video plugin for the LGF commenting system:

This one works if you simply paste in the URL of an FLV (Flash video) file. This one is from CNN - I got the address by opening Safari's 'Activity' window and looking under the CNN page for a file name ending in FLV. (You can't always get the file's URL this way; some sites hide the file's location.)

575 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:02:42pm

re: #569 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Have a great night, Lizzies!

what does our sexual orientation have to do with it?

576 aggieann  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:02:58pm

re: #564 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks, Buzzsaw. I knew you'd set me straight.

577 zombie  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:03:14pm

re: #512 Killgore Trout

Palin's secret plan unveiled: She's going to become the next Ross Perot...

Palin Hints At Independent Conservative Movement

Genius!

I will like to say that

I predicted that first!

When I guessed -- shortly after resigned -- that she was going to be the next Ross Perot and start a conservative movement, most folks scoffed at me!

578 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:03:40pm

re: #576 aggieann

Thanks, Buzzsaw. I knew you'd set me straight.

TWO sexual orientation posts in a row!

/teh LFG haz bekum cesspull!

579 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:04:14pm

re: #565 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It was under his hat.

580 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:04:49pm

re: #568 Killgore Trout

I'd normally just brush it off as rumor but that post is on her own PAC webpage so it's likely that it's a teaser for an upcoming announcement.


yeah, probably a forerunner to announcing carrie prejean as her runningmate

581 WinterCat  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:05:09pm

re: #547 Killgore Trout

I would actually applaud the move if the GOP was healthy and in good shape. She'd take the loons with her and give the GOP a better chance of attracting moderates. They way things are now she'll just bleed off votes and we'll have two weak "conservative" parties.

Or, over time we would have 3 parties, one strong middle party and two fringe parties.

582 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:05:33pm

re: #580 SpaceJesus

yeah, probably a forerunner to announcing carrie prejean as her runningmate

yes, how dare a mere woman have an opinion different from that of the msm

583 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:05:46pm

re: #578 OldLineTexan

TWO sexual orientation posts in a row!

/teh LFG haz bekum cesspull!

Yes, now let's put it behind us now, shall we.

584 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:06:09pm

re: #581 WinterCat

Or, over time we would have 3 parties, one strong middle party and two fringe parties.

Oh, let's just go for the full Italian 21-party shaky model!

///

585 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:06:21pm

re: #583 calcajun

Yes, now let's put it behind us now, shall we.

that's what she said...

586 lincolntf  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:06:40pm

re: #561 Van Helsing

And that raging bigot is now commonly referred to as one of the most respected members of the Senate. I don't care how long ago it was, he is a disgrace to the entire country. He should be presiding over a Klan meeting in some broken down motor home, not spending millions of our dollars building monuments to himself.

587 tradewind  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:06:44pm

re: #575 sattv4u2

Careful, that's a popular name for little girls nowdays.

588 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:07:09pm

re: #584 OldLineTexan

Italian 21-party shaky model!

Let's leave Silvio Berlusconi's house guests out of this, shall we?

589 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:07:17pm

re: #63 Iron Fist

When they cry "Selma", they conviently forget Bull Connor was a Democrat.

I really do not get it.

Well, so was Lyndon Johnson.

590 zombie  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:07:22pm

Ahem...

from eight days ago:

"579 zombie 7/06/2009 2:36:57 pm PDT

Think Ross Perot -- 20% of the vote, and he was also just a private citizen. Palin may be planning that route -- starting some "pure conservative" third party to appeal to the anti-government crowd, and run as an outsider in 2012 -- maybe not even with the intention of winning, but of maklng a statement.


615 zombie 7/06/2009 2:47:25 pm PDT

Or whatever. Not sure of its exact dimensions or definitions, but some kind of Ross Perot-esque "outsider" party designed to appeal to the hardcore of Palin fans: social conservatives, Christians, anti-government advocates, etc. The kind of people who think the Republican Party is lousy with "RINO"s and not conservative enough any more for their tastes."

591 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:07:47pm

re: #556 sattv4u2

And you don't think it will come up again in front of a future court even though the law is "settled"?

Lets play it your way! In this day and age and from here on out, if Dred Scott is re-visted there is NO way segregation would be re-instated. No way individual rights for blacks to be rescinded.
If (when) Roe/ Wade is revisited, can you give that same guarantee?

I think not,, and THAT is (has been) my point

I believe that I can.

There will NEVER AGAIN be a blanket banning of abortion in the US, so long as it remains a constitutional democracy.

Abortion cases that come up will not be about that central issue, but about defining where other rights, such as the rights of parents concerning their childrens' decisions, or the rights of viable fetuses, or the demand that consent be informed, fit in.

Roe Vs. Wade already provides a gradualist framework, adumbrating the right to obtain abortions by progressively restricting that right from the 1st trimester, to the 2nd, to the 3rd. Tweaking and fleshing out that framework is not overturning it, nor is that even being sought anymore in cases that are accepted for, or even submitted for, Supreme Court review.

592 tradewind  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:07:55pm

re: #580 SpaceJesus

What color is the sky in your world?

593 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:07:59pm

re: #584 OldLineTexan

Two conservative parties = Democrats own the White House.

594 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:08:05pm

re: #580 SpaceJesus

yeah, probably a forerunner to announcing carrie prejean as her runningmate

OK--now that you've created the image of two hot ladies hugging on stage, let the the slobbering begin.

BTW--Attempts at creating third parties have back-fired in the past century. Wallace, Roosevelt, Anderson, Perot all hurt the party they were trying to save.

595 antoniojvr  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:08:21pm

Guests of the senate.

So it begins, we the people no longer control a thing. Thanks, lazy America.

596 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:08:44pm
597 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:08:45pm

re: #589 SanFranciscoZionist

They all were Democrats, dammit. Jeff Davis was a Democrat, too.

598 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:09:20pm

My Top 5 List of "Wise Latinas"

1. Shakira
2. Salma Hayek
3. Carmen Miranda (deceased)
4. Penelope Cruz
5. Gloria Estefan

599 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:09:23pm

MARTIN LUTHRE KING

REPUBLICAN

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"We think it's imperative that [the GOP] try and attract more people from the communities of color to vote their values -- to vote conservative," said Claver Kamau-Imani, who heads the Corinthian Christian Empowerment Church, a small house church in Houston
.

What's more, he said, the sign is accurate.

Kimau-Imani told FOXNews.com that King's niece, the Rev. Alveda King, has long argued that her uncle was a Republican, though he acknowledged there was no documentation or voting record to prove it.


Lefty Heads Splodin !!!

600 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:09:53pm

Got to go, Lizardoids. Keep it scaly.

(This work stuff sure cramps my style but I still haven't figured out a way around it.)

601 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:09:54pm

re: #582 OldLineTexan

yes, how dare a mere woman have an opinion different from that of the msm


for real, get back in the kitchen and make me a space sandwich

602 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:10:07pm

re: #492 Kenneth

Dirty Harry never held his gun sideways. Got to be some stupid shit reason, like wearing pants with the waist at your knees.

Ssh, that makes it easier to chase them down. Can't run as fast when you're trying to hold your pants up.

/Not to mention the entertainment value of it on "Cops."

603 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:10:11pm

re: #63 Iron Fist

When they cry "Selma", they conviently forget Bull Connor was a Democrat.

I really do not get it.

Well, so was Lyndon Johnson.

Democrats were always the party of Jim Crow and segregation.

How did they manage to re-spin all that history?

Federal Education Department? Paybacks to/from teacher's unions?

Naww, couldn't be that. I'll look more.

604 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:10:29pm

re: #105 calcajun

Criminy--why didn't he just ask her what she thought of the serfs or the peons in fly-over country? How about, "Don't you pity the poor rubes?"

Methinks someone's been in Washington too long.

You know, about the time Sarah Palin let me know I didn't live in the 'Real America', I sort of felt like that...

605 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:10:41pm

re: #591 Salamantis

There will NEVER AGAIN be a blanket banning of abortion in the US, so long as it remains a constitutional democracy.

The same was true about reversing Dred Scott--it took a shattering of the republic to free all the slaves. That doesn't mean an abolitionist push was wrong, even though the war was a terrible thing better avoided if possible.

606 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:10:52pm

re: #591 Salamantis

A Roe Wade reversal would NOT make abortion illegal in the USA, and you know it. It would merely give the states the option to permit or not

607 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:10:59pm

re: #590 zombie

Good call.

608 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:11:05pm

re: #598 _RememberTonyC

2. Salma Hayek

She's hot, but not "wise". (Hollywood lefty)

609 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:11:12pm

re: #602 CyanSnowHawk

Ssh, that makes it easier to chase them down. Can't run as fast when you're trying to hold your pants up.

/Not to mention the entertainment value of it on "Cops."

I've never watched Cops. I have, however, watched the Star Wars based parody, "Troops."

610 tradewind  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:11:25pm

re: #605 nikis-knight

It's not a constitutional democracy.
It's a representative republic.

611 tradewind  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:11:57pm

re: #598 _RememberTonyC

You forgot Linda Chavez.

612 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:12:05pm

re: #598 _RememberTonyC

Wise Latinas of yesteryear:

1. Carmen Miranda
2. Delores Del Rio
3. Rita Hayworth
4. Rita Moreno
5. Yvonne de Carlo
6. Raquel Welch (she claims it now)

613 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:12:11pm

re: #572 Occasional Reader

And whether or not a "right to privacy" (or a "right to abortion") is a good idea, it's just not in the Constitution. The justices... made it up. And THAT'S not a good idea in a democracy, either.

Considering our increasingly intrusive cam and cyber culture, I would most definitely support a right to privacy amendment. But I suspect that such a right will continue to be judicially assumed without explicit amendment, just as discrimination against women is found to be unlawful even in the absence of the passage of the Equal Rights Amendment.

614 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:12:21pm

re: #596 buzzsawmonkey

People who casually give out personal information on sites like Facebook are, unknowingly, and for the sake of fleeting amusement, destroying the entire substructure of liberty by destroying the barrier between privacy and publicly available information.

Meh, I think you are over-reaching. Destroying all structures of good taste, certainly, but the right to do something isn't intrisnically tied to the right to avoid being seen doing something.

615 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:12:22pm
616 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:12:48pm

re: #606 sattv4u2

A Roe Wade reversal would NOT make abortion illegal in the USA, and you know it. It would merely give the states the option to permit or not

True. And the day following any such reversal, a bill explicitly legalizing abortion nationwide would be introduced in Congress.

617 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:12:57pm

re: #608 Occasional Reader

She's hot, but not "wise". (Hollywood lefty)


whatever ... me likey :)

618 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:13:04pm

re: #610 tradewind

It's not a constitutional democracy.
It's a representative republic.


Yeah, but since I got irritated when I felt Sal was being condescending, I didn't want to correct the tangential point.

619 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:13:09pm

re: #596 buzzsawmonkey

I have been musing over this given some of the Facebook discussions that have occurred here in recent weeks.

I've been musing about Facebook myself. I can see some of the advantages of it, in terms of getting in touch with old friends; but am keenly aware of exactly the factor you mention.

620 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:13:17pm

re: #612 calcajun

Wise Latinas of yesteryear:

1. Carmen Miranda
2. Delores Del Rio
3. Rita Hayworth
4. Rita Moreno
5. Yvonne de Carlo
6. Raquel Welch (she claims it now)

Ricky Ricardo?

621 WinterCat  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:13:36pm

re: #538 SixDegrees

Human bias is unavoidable, true. And attorneys may try to select jurors in the hope that they will be sympathetic to their side of the issue. This is why, however, attorneys for the opposing side also have the right to reject those jurors (to a point).

Biases are a fact of life. If you don't like Sotomayor's biases, the short answer is, simply, "tough." You need to elect Presidents who will select using a different set of biases. But you will never find a candidate who is free from bias, no matter who nominates them.

Basically you are saying, "I won"?

622 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:13:50pm

One last thing before I head for the salt mine: The story of the poor Nirther sap who refuses to deploy to Afghanistan has been posted at Drudge.

623 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:14:03pm

re: #615 Iron Fist

Late reply, but I was just thinking about that. I have a very liberal view on manslaughter. I think it should be legal in arena sports, for example, between consententing contenders. And I definately think "Motherfucker had it coming" is an affirmative defense against a manslaughter or murder charge. After all, in many cases the motherfucker did have it coming.

Don't know if I'd go that far, but there is a serious need to re-examine fighting words and dueling.

624 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:14:07pm

re: #611 tradewind

You forgot Linda Chavez.


She can be #6

625 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:14:31pm

Gotta go. Job stuff!

626 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:14:37pm

re: #616 SixDegrees

True. And the day following any such reversal, a bill explicitly legalizing abortion nationwide would be introduced in Congress.

and that debate would be better than some edict from on high

627 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:14:39pm

re: #622 shiplord kirel

Oh, he's going to deploy someplace a lot worse than the 'Stan.

628 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:14:53pm

re: #613 Salamantis

Considering our increasingly intrusive cam and cyber culture, I would most definitely support a right to privacy amendment. But I suspect that such a right will continue to be judicially assumed without explicit amendment, just as discrimination against women is found to be unlawful even in the absence of the passage of the Equal Rights Amendment.

I have a better suggestion.

Rather than multiply rights and specify every little thing, let's all learn to keep ourselves to ourselves.

It's your responsibility to not make porn videos with your friends and then be careless about where they go, for instance.

/just had a twenty-something crying at me about just that exact thing. I was something less than sympathetic.

629 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:15:07pm

re: #612 calcajun

Wise Latinas of yesteryear:

1. Carmen Miranda
2. Delores Del Rio
3. Rita Hayworth
4. Rita Moreno
5. Yvonne de Carlo
6. Raquel Welch (she claims it now)


muy buena

630 tradewind  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:15:08pm

re: #615 Iron Fist

And when "MFHIC" truly applies, in many cases you'll see a little thing called jury nullification, aka WKHDIBWDC**
**WeKnowHeDidItButWeDon'tCare

631 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:15:14pm

re: #605 nikis-knight

The same was true about reversing Dred Scott--it took a shattering of the republic to free all the slaves. That doesn't mean an abolitionist push was wrong, even though the war was a terrible thing better avoided if possible.

I don't think an antiabortion civil war is on the US horizon, however much Army of God-ers might devoutly wish it.

632 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:15:30pm

re: #613 Salamantis

But I suspect that such a right will continue to be judicially assumed without explicit amendment,

And yet "right to privacy" jurisprudence more or less begins and ends with the "right to a private abortion". Curiously enough. Try arguing that your constitutionally-protected "right to privacy" means that the state cannot tell you whether you mix glass, plastic and foodstuffs together in your trash; or what kind of light bulb you can install in your bedside lamp.

633 Flyers1974  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:15:34pm

re: #599 sattv4u2

MARTIN LUTHRE KING

REPUBLICAN

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"We think it's imperative that [the GOP] try and attract more people from the communities of color to vote their values -- to vote conservative," said Claver Kamau-Imani, who heads the Corinthian Christian Empowerment Church, a small house church in Houston
.

What's more, he said, the sign is accurate.

Kimau-Imani told FOXNews.com that King's niece, the Rev. Alveda King, has long argued that her uncle was a Republican, though he acknowledged there was no documentation or voting record to prove it.


Lefty Heads Splodin !!!

No heads exploading at all. MLK's father, a Republican, hesitated before voting for JFK because Kennedy was Catholic. It is pretty well known that they were Republican before that. The changes in Black voting started in earnest around the time that Democrat's became more liberal. There was a divide between liberal Dems and southern dems. Southern dems and republicans were united on civil rights issues - usually under the guise of states rights.

634 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:15:53pm

re: #625 SanFranciscoZionist

Gotta go. Job stuff!

Stuff the Job !!

635 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:16:02pm

re: #610 tradewind

It's not a constitutional democracy.
It's a WAS a representative republic.

636 tradewind  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:16:07pm

re: #616 SixDegrees

Which would again be rejected as bad law, see ' all powers not specifically vested shall be left to the states ' .

637 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:16:17pm
638 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:16:17pm

re: #621 WinterCat


Basically you are saying, "I won"?

Not at all. I'm not even close to being a supporter of either 0bama or Sotomayor. I'm just stating reality.

639 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:16:42pm

re: #620 Charpete67

Ricky Ricardo?

ricky wasn't a chicky

640 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:17:01pm

re: #623 Van Helsing

Don't know if I'd go that far, but there is a serious need to re-examine fighting words and dueling.

Only if we're allowed to hunt down the professional duelists who would surely come to the fore.

641 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:17:28pm

re: #631 Salamantis

I don't think an antiabortion civil war is on the US horizon, however much Army of God-ers might devoutly wish it.

And I didn't say I wanted one, even if it were the only way to wash away the blood of the baby killers.
(See, two can play at the back-handed insults and hyperbole)

642 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:17:32pm

re: #606 sattv4u2

A Roe Wade reversal would NOT make abortion illegal in the USA, and you know it. It would merely give the states the option to permit or not

It would make abortion illegal in parts of the US, and that would violate the equal protection clause. Some people are too poor to travel to states where it would be permitted - plus, I can see some antiabortion states actually criminalizing travel for such a purpose.

643 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:18:04pm

re: #628 Dianna

I have a better suggestion.

Rather than multiply rights and specify every little thing, let's all learn to keep ourselves to ourselves.

It's your responsibility to not make porn videos with your friends and then be careless about where they go, for instance.

/just had a twenty-something crying at me about just that exact thing. I was something less than sympathetic.

That is why I like the Constitution as a statement of limitations on government.

644 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:18:28pm

re: #626 Charpete67

and that debate would be better than some edict from on high

Possibly. The lack of any legislation to the contrary, despite decades of public acrimony over the issue, is a pretty clear indicator of public and Congressional acceptance of the status quo, however.

645 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:18:38pm

re: #590 zombie

Ahem...

from eight days ago:

"579 zombie 7/06/2009 2:36:57 pm PDT

Think Ross Perot -- 20% of the vote, and he was also just a private citizen. Palin may be planning that route -- starting some "pure conservative" third party to appeal to the anti-government crowd, and run as an outsider in 2012 -- maybe not even with the intention of winning, but of maklng a statement.

615 zombie 7/06/2009 2:47:25 pm PDT

Or whatever. Not sure of its exact dimensions or definitions, but some kind of Ross Perot-esque "outsider" party designed to appeal to the hardcore of Palin fans: social conservatives, Christians, anti-government advocates, etc. The kind of people who think the Republican Party is lousy with "RINO"s and not conservative enough any more for their tastes."

I had a different idea:

163 doppelganglander 7/04/2009 7:31:14 pm PDT

Whatever her natural political abilities, I think she's screwed the pooch here. It sounds like she's going to start up a new Moral Majority-type organization and that's the last thing we need. She might have had a future if she'd ignored the derision, focused on doing her job as governor, and come back in 2012 (or better yet, 2016). As it is, she's over - and I say this as someone who likes her.

I think you're probably right, although I wish I were. A third party run will accomplish nothing but further weakening the Republicans and keeping the Democrats in power.

646 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:18:49pm

re: #640 Dianna

Only if we're allowed to hunt down the professional duelists who would surely come to the fore.

Absolutely. No professional Seconds.

647 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:19:10pm
648 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:19:19pm

re: #632 Occasional Reader

And yet "right to privacy" jurisprudence more or less begins and ends with the "right to a private abortion". Curiously enough. Try arguing that your constitutionally-protected "right to privacy" means that the state cannot tell you whether you mix glass, plastic and foodstuffs together in your trash; or what kind of light bulb you can install in your bedside lamp.

or whether I own a gun, smoke pot in my living room, have more than one wife, etc...

we make laws that intrude on private lives all the time and it cuts both ways against the left and right.

649 WinterCat  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:19:36pm

re: #590 zombie

Ahem...

from eight days ago:

"579 zombie 7/06/2009 2:36:57 pm PDT

Think Ross Perot -- 20% of the vote, and he was also just a private citizen. Palin may be planning that route -- starting some "pure conservative" third party to appeal to the anti-government crowd, and run as an outsider in 2012 -- maybe not even with the intention of winning, but of maklng a statement.

615 zombie 7/06/2009 2:47:25 pm PDT

Or whatever. Not sure of its exact dimensions or definitions, but some kind of Ross Perot-esque "outsider" party designed to appeal to the hardcore of Palin fans: social conservatives, Christians, anti-government advocates, etc. The kind of people who think the Republican Party is lousy with "RINO"s and not conservative enough any more for their tastes."

I think she might also appeal to independents if she has a chance to get out there unbridled by the GOP. I honestly think that she has been grossly mischaracterized by the media. I could be wrong. I may be hoping for too much from her. And by the way, I am not a Christian, anti-government, Ron Paulian, anti-gay, redneck. Just someone who feels that my government has not really represented me in a very long time.

650 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:19:39pm

re: #628 Dianna

/just had a twenty-something crying at me about just that exact thing

Link, please.

///

651 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:20:08pm

re: #639 _RememberTonyC

ricky wasn't a chicky

Rikki Lake?

652 tradewind  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:20:18pm

re: #635 Van Helsing

The United States government is not an absolute or pure democracy. According to our Constitution, we have a representative democratic republic.

What's the difference? According to my Merriam-Webster:

Democracy — Government by the people; government in which the supreme power is retained by the people and exercised either directly (Ablsolute, or pure), or indirectly (representative).
Republic — A state in which the sovereign power resides in a certain body of the people (the electorate), and is exercised by representatives elected by, and responsible to, them.

653 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:20:46pm

will dick durban ask her if she agrees with him that American soldiers acted like nazis in iraq? If ever a person's first name fit their personality ...

654 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:21:05pm

re: #645 doppelganglander

Perhaps Palin will form the conservative independence party and call for all "true conservatives" to form a new nation? /

655 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:21:05pm

re: #637 buzzsawmonkey

You do not understand.

The government cannot intrude upon your privacy, in most cases, without a warrant.

I assume that this is to avoid bothering and humiliating and casting aspersions on innocent people, rather than to allow people to hide their illegal activities.
Anyway, I find it amusing that people who hold privacy inviolible want me to account for every cent earned, and provide incentives for a like accounting of nearly every cent spent, to the gov't annually.

656 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:21:28pm

re: #628 Dianna

I have a better suggestion.

Rather than multiply rights and specify every little thing, let's all learn to keep ourselves to ourselves.

It's your responsibility to not make porn videos with your friends and then be careless about where they go, for instance.

/just had a twenty-something crying at me about just that exact thing. I was something less than sympathetic.

When you publicize your private life, you have abrogated your privacy rights just as surely as you have abrogated your 5th Amendment rights when you run your mouth off to a cop after Miranda has been read to you.

657 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:21:30pm

re: #633 Flyers1974

Southern dems and republicans were united on civil rights issues

incorrect. Republicans by a larger percenatge than dems voted FOR the civil rights acts (circa early 60's)

It was the Southern Dems (the "southern bloc) that was adamantly agaisnt it

658 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:22:11pm

re: #648 Charpete67

or whether I own a gun, smoke pot in my living room, have more than one wife, etc...

we make laws that intrude on private lives all the time and it cuts both ways against the left and right.


the FEDERAL government has no need or charter to be involved in those things. State governments do, up to a point.

Federal interference in minutia is one of the reasons for the breakdown of decent government. Never was designed to do what they are doing.

659 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:22:27pm

re: #651 Charpete67

Rikki Lake?


Rikki WAS a chicky, but (AFAIK) not a Latina

660 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:22:35pm

re: #636 tradewind

Which would again be rejected as bad law, see ' all powers not specifically vested shall be left to the states ' .

Wishful thinking. Congress would simply cut off the enormous stream of Federal dollars that states are so addicted to if they refused to go along. Going their own way would be as simple as withdrawing from the Interstate Highway System - effectively impossible.

Although I would dearly love to see a return to the days when states actually existed as semi-autonomous entities, that horse left the barn a long, long time ago and it's not coming back.

661 WinterCat  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:23:07pm

re: #657 sattv4u2

Southern dems and republicans were united on civil rights issues

incorrect. Republicans by a larger percenatge than dems voted FOR the civil rights acts (circa early 60's)

It was the Southern Dems (the "southern bloc) that was adamantly agaisnt it

What is your source for this information? I'd like to look it over.

662 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:23:33pm

re: #631 Salamantis

I don't think an antiabortion civil war is on the US horizon, however much Army of God-ers might devoutly wish it.

More akin to the travesty that was Plessy v Ferguson--it took more than 50 years before Brown v Board of Education reversed that. Both were bad cases--which is what happens when the Court is forced to act as a super-legislature.

663 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:23:41pm

re: #632 Occasional Reader

And yet "right to privacy" jurisprudence more or less begins and ends with the "right to a private abortion". Curiously enough. Try arguing that your constitutionally-protected "right to privacy" means that the state cannot tell you whether you mix glass, plastic and foodstuffs together in your trash; or what kind of light bulb you can install in your bedside lamp.

It also involves contraception rights, and the right not to be surveilled in your home in the absence of a court order.

664 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:23:48pm

re: #656 Salamantis

When you publicize your private life, you have abrogated your privacy rights just as surely as you have abrogated your 5th Amendment rights when you run your mouth off to a cop after Miranda has been read to you.

Altogether too true. However, a "privacy" amendment would likely privilege a lot of whining after the fact, and I'm very much opposed to that.

665 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:23:48pm
666 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:24:06pm

re: #644 SixDegrees

Possibly. The lack of any legislation to the contrary, despite decades of public acrimony over the issue, is a pretty clear indicator of public and Congressional acceptance of the status quo, however.

agreed...although, most politico's don't want to touch the subject, so they just throw up their hands and say it's settled law and out of their hands.

667 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:24:55pm

re: #654 DaddyG

Perhaps Palin will form the conservative independence party and call for all "true conservatives" to form a new nation? /

Oh, that would be just swell.

668 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:25:35pm

re: #661 WinterCat

What is your source for this information? I'd like to look it over.

Wiki

Not that wiki is always correct but you can trace the references bia the Federal Register.

669 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:25:38pm

re: #666 Charpete67

agreed...although, most politico's don't want to touch the subject, so they just throw up their hands and say it's settled law and out of their hands.

True. One of the first procedures you need to have performed when entering politics is to have your guts and your spine removed.

670 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:25:47pm

re: #642 Salamantis

It would make abortion illegal in parts of the US

No it would not, and you know it

Again, it would be a STATES decision. Now, from there, if you want to argue that STATE "A" would deem it illegal, or STATE "B" would make it legal AND fund it, thats a differnt argument. But to say that overturning Roe v Wade would make abortion illegal is wrong

671 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:26:17pm

re: #517 JacksonTn

Hi, Jackson: I've got a problem, here. I was just reading the Lounge thread and notice that for some reason you have cut and pasted an angry conversation you had with another commenter, then substituted my name for theirs.

You then call me an "Obama drooler," and "drunk with ignorance" for something I did not say.

I have no idea why you would do this, but I really don't appreciate it. Goodness knows I have enough flaws of my own to answer for, without taking on someone else's.

I would also like for the folks who approved of your take-down of me...Lincoln, Mandy, Pink, and Reine, so far...to note that the information is false. I'd appreciate a correction, when you have time.

672 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:26:20pm
673 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:26:34pm

re: #663 Salamantis

It also involves contraception rights, and the right not to be surveilled in your home in the absence of a court order.

I would dearly love it if the state and federal governments would butt out of what kind of lightbulb I have, and particularly out of the whole question of toilets. As it stands, next thing you know they will be spying on me to be sure I've put in those really annoying flourescents.

674 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:27:08pm

re: #665 Iron Fist

You misspelt his name. It is "Dick Durbin (D-al Qaeda)". You should always put who he represents in parenthesis along with his party affiliation.

[/No sarcasm whatsoever. The son of a bitch represented al Qaeda when he called our troops "Nazis" and the taint can never be removed, I don't care how many times President Obama pardons him for treason]

Don't forget Murtha. It was a pity that his price was too high for ABSCAM to drag him in..

Still a whore, and I don't mean to offend whores.

675 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:27:11pm

re: #641 nikis-knight

And I didn't say I wanted one, even if it were the only way to wash away the blood of the baby killers.
(See, two can play at the back-handed insults and hyperbole)

What about washing away the blood of the murdered from the church after the murderous fetus fetishist gunned down his victim? One among seveal others who have perpetrated crazily self-contradictory prolife murder?

676 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:27:15pm

re: #661 WinterCat

The Congressional records showing who voted. Criminy-- it took decades for anti-lynching legislation to get passed because southern Dems like Sen. Bilbo from Mississippi kept blocking it.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


FDR got some of his New Deal through Congress in by promising to drop anti-lynching laws in exchange for Southern Democrat support.

677 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:28:24pm

re: #604 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, about the time Sarah Palin let me know I didn't live in the 'Real America', I sort of felt like that...

Hell of a thing, isn't it? I've been living that life for YEARS.

678 tradewind  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:28:50pm

re: #673 Dianna

Don't fret: those nasty flurescents are about to be in the doghouse because they're environmental hazards full of mercury.

679 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:29:12pm

re: #652 tradewind

The United States government is not an absolute or pure democracy. According to our Constitution, we have a representative democratic republic.

What's the difference? According to my Merriam-Webster:

Yep; technically, we're a constitutional democratic republic (or CDR).

680 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:29:40pm

re: #676 calcajun

The Congressional records showing who voted. Criminy-- it took decades for anti-lynching legislation to get passed because southern Dems like Sen. Bilbo from Mississippi kept blocking it.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]


FDR got some of his New Deal through Congress in by promising to drop anti-lynching laws in exchange for Southern Democrat support.

It was that damned Ring. Luckily, his nephew Sen. Frodo arranged for Gollum (a Paulian) to destroy it.

/Chronicles of Middle Nirth

681 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:30:00pm

re: #675 Salamantis

What about washing away the blood of the murdered from the church after the murderous fetus fetishist gunned down his victim? One among seveal others who have perpetrated crazily self-contradictory prolife murder?

Meh, my point wasn't that we should have a war, but that you were being a jerk in insinuating that I wanted one when I said the opposite.

As for the blood of other killers, I am pro-death penalty for murder should there be sufficient evidence.

682 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:30:09pm

re: #663 Salamantis

It also involves contraception rights, and the right not to be surveilled in your home in the absence of a court order.

Oh, come on. The latter does NOT rest on Roe jurisprudence. You know that.

683 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:30:38pm

re: #678 tradewind

Don't fret: those nasty flurescents are about to be in the doghouse because they're environmental hazards full of mercury.

I know, and the irony tickles me.

684 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:30:48pm

re: #665 Iron Fist

You misspelt his name. It is "Dick Durbin (D-al Qaeda)". You should always put who he represents in parenthesis along with his party affiliation.

[/No sarcasm whatsoever. The son of a bitch represented al Qaeda when he called our troops "Nazis" and the taint can never be removed, I don't care how many times President Obama pardons him for treason]

yeah ... I spelled it like the city in south africa ... my bad. to your point, anyone who dares call our brave soldiers "nazis" earns my permanent contempt.

685 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:30:52pm

re: #680 OldLineTexan

I needed that.
Thanks for the chuckle.

686 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:31:19pm

re: #661 WinterCat

What is your source for this information? I'd like to look it over.

I think if you go to ragingelephants.org you will find that info.re: #673 Dianna

I would dearly love it if the state and federal governments would butt out of what kind of lightbulb I have, and particularly out of the whole question of toilets. As it stands, next thing you know they will be spying on me to be sure I've put in those really annoying flourescents.

I wonder where Sotamayer stands on low flow shower heads...her hair is suspiciously non puffy...

687 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:31:26pm

re: #649 WinterCat

I think the "RINOs" would be happy to let the social conservatives leave for another party- and they can take their Intelligent Design and other theocratic leanings with them. But- there already is such a party. A party that claims to support smaller government and yet pushes a social agenda- the Constitution Party. Maybe Sarah could run for them.

688 tradewind  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:32:15pm

re: #660 SixDegrees
Then I'm puzzled as to why each state sets its own individual voting standards, speed limits, drinking and gambling laws, etc.
Comparing the interstate system to civil/criminal law is, IMO, apples to oranges.

689 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:32:44pm

re: #687 Sharmuta

Um...Good heavenly day, but...do you really think Sarah Palin's a Bircher?

690 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:33:28pm

re: #661 WinterCat

What is your source for this information? I'd like to look it over.

just google "southern bloc". There are multiple articles/ stories

ALSO ,, Google Howard W Smith
(from his Wiki page)

Opposition to civil rights legislation
An opponent of racial integration, Smith used his power as Rules Committee chairman to keep much civil rights legislation from even coming to a vote on the House floor.

When the Civil Rights Act of 1957 came before Smith's committee, Smith said:

"The Southern people have never accepted the colored race as a race of people who had equal intelligence . . . as the white people of the South."

691 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:33:45pm
692 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:34:03pm

re: #673 Dianna

I would dearly love it if the state and federal governments would butt out of what kind of lightbulb I have, and particularly out of the whole question of toilets. As it stands, next thing you know they will be spying on me to be sure I've put in those really annoying flourescents.


Then they can make you put externally controlled thermostats on your HVAC system so they can limit how much heating/air conditioninig you use. ;-)

693 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:34:13pm

re: #660 SixDegrees

Wishful thinking. Congress would simply cut off the enormous stream of Federal dollars that states are so addicted to if they refused to go along. Going their own way would be as simple as withdrawing from the Interstate Highway System - effectively impossible.

Although I would dearly love to see a return to the days when states actually existed as semi-autonomous entities, that horse left the barn a long, long time ago and it's not coming back.

I'm just tired of driving to Wisconsin for better fireworks...

694 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:34:33pm

re: #672 buzzsawmonkey

What I am saying is that your liberty, as protected in the Constitution, is predicated on the presumption that your life is, for the most part, private, and thereby free from government intrusion except in certain exigent circumstances.

Yes, but you still aren't establishing the basis for this assertation, at least not sufficiently for someone of my limited knowledge.

How is the freedom to do something predicated on the freedom to do it privately?

Mind you, I am all for public decorum and not walking around naked, but if the feds somehow ended up with a copy of all my recipts for the last 5 years, I would be untroubled except in asmuch as I feared some identity theft or some tangible detriment to my well-being.

695 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:35:06pm

re: #690 sattv4u2

just google "southern bloc". There are multiple articles/ stories

ALSO ,, Google Howard W Smith
(from his Wiki page)

Opposition to civil rights legislation
An opponent of racial integration, Smith used his power as Rules Committee chairman to keep much civil rights legislation from even coming to a vote on the House floor.

When the Civil Rights Act of 1957 came before Smith's committee, Smith said:

"The Southern people have never accepted the colored race as a race of people who had equal intelligence . . . as the white people of the South."

Bull Connor...Democrats suck...

696 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:35:21pm

re: #662 calcajun

More akin to the travesty that was Plessy v Ferguson--it took more than 50 years before Brown v Board of Education reversed that. Both were bad cases--which is what happens when the Court is forced to act as a super-legislature.

Roe vs. Wade is widely perceived by many women as their Civil Rights Act. Sow the wind of overturning it, and reap the whirlwind of their electorally forcing the federal legislature to do the one thing that antiabortionists most fear - the passage of a constitutional Right to Abortion amendment. And once passed, it would, if anything, be even more immune to appeal than Roe is to overturning.

697 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:37:34pm

re: #682 Occasional Reader

Oh, come on. The latter does NOT rest on Roe jurisprudence. You know that.

No, but it does rest upon a judicial assumption of the right to privacy. And as such, it is an example of what you claimed did not exist - the application of privacy rights outselde the arena of abortion.

698 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:37:50pm

re: #692 eschew_obfuscation

Then they can make you put externally controlled thermostats on your HVAC system so they can limit how much heating/air conditioninig you use. ;-)

In preparation for that day, I'm going solar.

699 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:38:02pm

re: #696 Salamantis

Roe vs. Wade is widely perceived by many women as their Civil Rights Act.

Women are as "widely" split on the issue as men are

700 JacksonTn  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:38:15pm

re: #671 ShanghaiEd

Hi, Jackson: I've got a problem, here. I was just reading the Lounge thread and notice that for some reason you have cut and pasted an angry conversation you had with another commenter, then substituted my name for theirs.

You then call me an "Obama drooler," and "drunk with ignorance" for something I did not say.

I have no idea why you would do this, but I really don't appreciate it. Goodness knows I have enough flaws of my own to answer for, without taking on someone else's.

SE ... I posted on the thread that is was a different person ... that is all ...
I would also like for the folks who approved of your take-down of me...Lincoln, Mandy, Pink, and Reine, so far...to note that the information is false. I'd appreciate a correction, when you have time.

701 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:38:20pm

re: #692 eschew_obfuscation

Then they can make you put externally controlled thermostats on your HVAC system so they can limit how much heating/air conditioninig you use. ;-)

Oh, addendum: I'd rather go nuclear.

702 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:39:24pm

re: #701 Dianna

Oh, addendum: I'd rather go nuclear.


Thank you... if you go solar the liberals win!
/
Of course, solar would be wonderful, but I want solutions based in the real world, not the world of would be.

703 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:39:54pm
704 Dianna  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:40:34pm

re: #702 nikis-knight

Thank you... if you go solar the liberals win!
/
Of course, solar would be wonderful, but I want solutions based in the real world, not the world of would be.

I so agree!

It's not actually economically viable. Nuclear and clean coal are.

705 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:40:45pm

re: #670 sattv4u2

It would make abortion illegal in parts of the US

No it would not, and you know it

Again, it would be a STATES decision. Now, from there, if you want to argue that STATE "A" would deem it illegal, or STATE "B" would make it legal AND fund it, thats a differnt argument. But to say that overturning Roe v Wade would make abortion illegal is wrong

If you can legally obtain an abortion in California and New York but not in Iowa or Wyoming, it is, by definition, illegal in part of the US.

706 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:42:24pm

re: #698 Dianna

In preparation for that day, I'm going solar.

I've decided to apologize in advance for taking advantage of EVERY STINKING TAX BREAK offered.

Thank you all for your contribution to my new car, 3kW of solar cells and solar water heating.

OK. I lied. That barely covers my 'patriotic' contribution for 2009. I lie to myself and say that the rest is for my eldest kids' ammo.

707 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:43:03pm

re: #705 Salamantis
His point is that such a state of affairs wouldn't be the result of the supreme court, but the result of the poeple of those states deciding to enact such laws.
Reversing R v W is neccessary but not sufficient for that (in the logical not proscriptive sense).

708 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:43:36pm
709 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:43:46pm

re: #705 Salamantis

If you can legally obtain an abortion in California and New York but not in Iowa or Wyoming, it is, by definition, illegal in part of the US.

But thats the STATE that made it illegal, NOT the overtrun of Roe/ Wade

710 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:44:16pm

re: #703 Iron Fist

Always been a huge question for me. PR spin is good but DAYEM, they have wiped out their segregationist past completely.

How DID they do that?

711 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:45:07pm

re: #680 OldLineTexan

It was that damned Ring. Luckily, his nephew Sen. Frodo arranged for Gollum (a Paulian) to destroy it.

/Chronicles of Middle Nirth

And one sheet in the darkness bind them...

These were not nice people.

712 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:45:27pm
713 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:46:41pm

re: #694 nikis-knight

Yes, but you still aren't establishing the basis for this assertation, at least not sufficiently for someone of my limited knowledge.

How is the freedom to do something predicated on the freedom to do it privately?

Mind you, I am all for public decorum and not walking around naked, but if the feds somehow ended up with a copy of all my recipts for the last 5 years, I would be untroubled except in asmuch as I feared some identity theft or some tangible detriment to my well-being.

Yeah, right, sure...why should a cop need a warrant in order to search your car, home, or person on his own cavilier whim? After all, surely if you are innocent you have nothing to hide...and if you object and demand your constitutional protections, isn't that suspicious?

714 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:46:47pm

re: #689 Dianna

Um...Good heavenly day, but...do you really think Sarah Palin's a Bircher?

No, actually. It was suggested elsewhere that the social conservatives form their own party (which I think some of them should move to the Constitution Party) and Sarah should be their leader- it wasn't my suggestion. If the Birchers and Disco Dewds want to leave- I'm all for it. They can take their theocratic friends with them. As to who leads them- I don't care.

715 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:48:17pm

re: #713 Salamantis

Yeah, right, sure...why should a cop need a warrant in order to search your car, home, or person on his own cavilier whim? After all, surely if you are innocent you have nothing to hide...and if you object and demand your constitutional protections, isn't that suspicious?

-if a cop stops you (traffic stop) and asks if he can look in your car, do you say no?

716 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:48:30pm
717 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:49:18pm

re: #689 Dianna

Um...Good heavenly day, but...do you really think Sarah Palin's a Bircher?

She seems to be the Mirror of Erised for many people ... they see what they want to see.

718 calcajun  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:49:22pm

re: #696 Salamantis

Never happen-- won't get 2/3 of the states to approve it. There would be moves to make Guam and Puerto Rico states to get that number.

A repeal of Roe would result in what it should have always been, the states deciding by vote when its interest in the life of the child overrides the mother's right of privacy. And, with the greater advances in medicine pushing "viability" (which is the new benchmark per the Casey case) further back to conception, the Planned Parenthood and NOW types are even more afraid to lose the "right" as they think Roe grants all women.

719 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:51:21pm

re: #712 buzzsawmonkey

It--and you--have no legal protection.

Why should you? Unless you are lying, in which case you're an idiot but should be able to prove that, why should someone who has clearly broken the law recieve protection from it? The purpose of legal proceedings is to find the truth and then apply the law as written imparitally, not to reign in the state--that is the purpose of elections and divided powers.

In other words, if you have a problem with someone being arrested for possesion of marijuana after bragging about it on-line, isn't the solution to change the drug laws, rather than worry about the law applying fairly?

Again, warrants are to protect the innocent, not the guilty--it is only the trouble in discerning the difference that the difficulty lies, and because of the shame and inconvenience of police investigations, we go with presumption of innocence. If people want to start publically confessing to crimes and are then subject to the penalties thereof, they might have messed up their own situation, but it won't harm society, it will be an improvement, imo.

720 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:52:17pm

re: #704 Dianna

I so agree!

It's not actually economically viable. Nuclear and clean coal are.

We've had wonderful solar heating for the past three weeks.

Unfortunately for us, it's July, and this isn't Australia.

721 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:52:20pm
722 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:52:48pm

re: #708 Iron Fist

I might buy that about the amendment to the Constitution that allowed women to vote (you know, the 19th Amendment. The actual, real women's civil rights act), but Roe v. Wade? Women are as divided on the issue as men are. And, like has been said to you several times on this thread, you know this. Why are you lying? There are strong arguements on your side of the arguement without resorting to exaggerations and falsehoods.

The division is not close; while a bare majority of women do not want legal abortion on demand throughout pregnancy, an overwhelming majority of them also do not want all abortion forbidden, whatever the reason and whenever in gestation. The consensus majority position closely mirrors Roe vs. Wade; abortion on demand in the 1st trimester, greater restrictions in the 2nd trimester, and prohibition except in rare and dire circumstances in the 3rd.

723 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:55:40pm

re: #709 sattv4u2

But thats the STATE that made it illegal, NOT the overtrun of Roe/ Wade

Which the state cannot do while Roe vs. Wade stands. One is not the same as the other, but one makes the other possible, and in certain socon-dominated states, inevitable, and is therefore its proximate cause.

724 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:55:59pm

re: #713 Salamantis

Yeah, right, sure...why should a cop need a warrant in order to search your car, home, or person on his own cavilier whim? After all, surely if you are innocent you have nothing to hide...and if you object and demand your constitutional protections, isn't that suspicious?


Look, if you aren't going to follow the conversation, refrain from commenting. I already said why cops should need warrants here:

re: #655 nikis-knight

I assume that this is to avoid bothering and humiliating and casting aspersions on innocent people, rather than to allow people to hide their illegal activities.

Warrants are required to avoid bothering people and giving them the shame of an unwarranted--that is, undeserved--investigation, not to protect their law breaking until they choose to reveal it.

And I'm not saying that all the laws we have now are good or should be enforced! But the problems do not stem from lack of privacy, but expansive assumptions by governments of what activities they have the right to control and restrict.

725 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:57:52pm
726 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:58:04pm

re: #697 Salamantis

No, but it does rest upon a judicial assumption of the right to privacy

Um... no, it doesn't rest on a "judicial assumption" of anything, it rests on the explicit LANGUAGE of the 4th Amendment. No penumbras or emanations involved.

Anyway, gotta go.

727 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:58:08pm

re: #723 Salamantis

Which the state cannot do while Roe vs. Wade stands. One is not the same as the other, but one makes the other possible, and in certain socon-dominated states, inevitable, and is therefore its proximate cause.

Which is always fluid. New Hampshire once was solidly conservative. today, not so much!
A mere 50 years ago the South was solidly democrat. Not lately!

728 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:58:46pm
729 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 2:59:26pm

And I too must go do the 'corporate thing"

Damn , I hate late afternoon conference calls!

730 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:00:10pm

re: #701 Dianna

Oh, addendum: I'd rather go nuclear.

Coming soon from Toshiba.

731 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:01:17pm

re: #715 sattv4u2

-if a cop stops you (traffic stop) and asks if he can look in your car, do you say no?

Yes, I would, as a matter of principle (because there's never anything illegal, immoral or fattening in my car). And (s)he cannot legally use my refusal as probable cause to detain me and request a search warrant.

(S)he is free to see whatever is possible to see from outside, but asking to check under my rear seats or in my trunk because I was going 12 miles over the speed limit or ran a pink light is constitutionally out of bounds (illegal search and seizure).

732 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:02:53pm

re: #725 Iron Fist

You might be left with less of a Party than you think, especially if you put it that way. If all the Religious Right were to leave the Republican Party you might not have a national party left.

I'm ready for any party that states their primary mission as staying out of my house and out of my house.

Let the states deal with the minutiae, I'm f***ing sick of federal interference in every damn thing.

I'm not a good candidate for re-education...

733 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:06:18pm

re: #718 calcajun

Never happen-- won't get 2/3 of the states to approve it. There would be moves to make Guam and Puerto Rico states to get that number.

A repeal of Roe would result in what it should have always been, the states deciding by vote when its interest in the life of the child overrides the mother's right of privacy. And, with the greater advances in medicine pushing "viability" (which is the new benchmark per the Casey case) further back to conception, the Planned Parenthood and NOW types are even more afraid to lose the "right" as they think Roe grants all women.

Actually, 20 weeks seems to be a fetal viability brick wall. And legislators would be voted out of office in at least 2/3 of the states unless they PROMISED to vote for it. Plus, a zygote or an embryo is not a child for legal purposes.

734 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:07:00pm

re: #731 Salamantis

Yes, I would, as a matter of principle (because there's never anything illegal, immoral or fattening in my car). And (s)he cannot legally use my refusal as probable cause to detain me and request a search warrant.

(S)he is free to see whatever is possible to see from outside, but asking to check under my rear seats or in my trunk because I was going 12 miles over the speed limit or ran a pink light is constitutionally out of bounds (illegal search and seizure).

They will of course do that. But I agree with the stance and have exercised it 2 occasions.

They didn't bother with trying to get a warrant and sent me on my way. I was very polite and said "Yes, I've got weapons in the vehicle that use the ammunition you see in the back seat. What's the problem? It's 108 degrees, if you want to wait, fine with me. I'm getting back in my vehicle and starting up the A/C."

735 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:08:34pm

re: #725 Iron Fist

You might be left with less of a Party than you think, especially if you put it that way. If all the Religious Right were to leave the Republican Party you might not have a national party left.

Screw it, Cousin Fist- I'm forming my own party. One that believes in individual rights and fiscal responsibility. I plan to merge the marijuana party with a balanced budget amendment party. A party where we don't pay lip service to individual rights- we run on it. A party that will not only run people who will balanced the budget, they'll make it the law so DC can't keep screwing you and your kids and grandkids.

I plan to call this new political beast The Joint Venture Party.

736 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:11:18pm
737 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:11:25pm

re: #733 Salamantis

Actually, 20 weeks seems to be a fetal viability brick wall. And legislators would be voted out of office in at least 2/3 of the states unless they PROMISED to vote for it. Plus, a zygote or an embryo is not a child for legal purposes.

in your opinion...

738 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:13:58pm
What you seem to fail to understand is the concept of "innocent until proven guilty," which, along with privacy, undergirds the entire American system of liberty.

Except that this refers to courts--one can be detained without being proven guilty.

Basically, the idea is that you can do what you please unless you are doing something that is clearly illegal--and even then, the government can't just swoop down and take you away as they can in nations which do not safeguard liberty. If the government wants to "get" you, it has to find probable cause and prove its case every step of the way--and if it fails to do so, then the person, even if factually guilty, walks free.

I'm failing to see the connection to privacy. Swooping in at taking me away isn't a violation of privacy, it is a violation of liberty. The government should not be able to spy on people, because this is an affront to their dignity, embarrassing, inconvenient, usually results in some form of theft, etc. But should someone choose to reveal information about themselves, why should this not be taken as evidence? And if people choose to do so, I don't see the whole system crashing down--I do see a re-examination of the laws that they are being arrested for if the actual behavior is illegal but not a problem.

But if I walk into a police station and show them an undoctored photo of my shooting someone, they are in the right to detain me, I should think, even without a warrant. And it is good for society if people who break meaningful laws come forward to take responsibility.-

And I disagree with the concept of punishing society for the sins of police. If a suspect is clearly, undisputably guilty of a serious crime--theft, murder, rape, arson, etc.--but the police obtained evidence without proper procedures, I want BOTH of them punished, but not the future victims of that criminal!

The reason that obtains is that the founders of this nation, who knew well what it was like living under regimes where rights were not protected and people could be arrested on an informer's charge without safeguard, for having the "wrong" opinions, and the like. It was accounted better to let the occasional guilty person walk free than to impinge on the freedoms of all.

I agree--but what you are describing here is strict standards for evidence, the right to confront one's accouser, and the freedom of speech, not privacy rights.

And it is predicated on the fact that people's lives are "private," i.e., out of reach of the government unless there is due cause for investigation. Get into the habit of revealing private information, which is free to all comers, and there is no safeguard against government interference in your life for any reason.

Government interferes with lives via regulations and niggling little laws very much already, and I don't think erosion of privacy is to blame so much as erosion of responsibility and independance.

739 Charpete67  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:14:07pm

re: #736 Iron Fist

I'm not sure where you are drawing your statistics from, but they show what I said: women are as divided as men on the issue. Hell, I don't stand where I did five years ago on the issue and I won't guarantee where I'll stand on the issue five years from now. I'm divided on the issue. What isn't convincing me to support the pro-choice side (where I basically fell five to seven years ago) is the absolutists. People who are for abortion right up to the minute of birth (or beyond? Why not?). People who oppose parental notifican laws when everyone knows such opposition is rooted in protecting statutory rapists and not young girls afraid of their father (there is a reason that there can be judicial diversion of such a notification. And only one reason to oppose that).

Things like that are changing my opinion of the issue. I'm more in line with your view, as you deliniate it, but I'm not sure you really are in line with your view as you deliniate it. Why would going back to the States having control of the issue not be better? It is, apparently, the way Judicial Appointee Sotomayor wants to deal with the Second Amnedment, a right clearly and unequivicaly deliniated in the Bill of Rights. Surely if it would be good enough for the Second it wouold be good enough for, what amendment does the Right to Abortion come from again?

(For the record, you are a bright man, but you need to know your limits. When you are arguing law with OR, you are arguing law with a lawyer. Maybe you think you can represent yourself in court, too, but that really isn't an arguement you are going to win)

Well said...I have no need to post what I was going to say...you said it much better.

740 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:14:29pm

re: #726 Occasional Reader

Um... no, it doesn't rest on a "judicial assumption" of anything, it rests on the explicit LANGUAGE of the 4th Amendment. No penumbras or emanations involved.

Anyway, gotta go.

Wrong. Searching and surveilling are two different things, and you are referring to the 4th Amendment prohibition against warrantless search and seizure. It doesn't say a damn thing about warrantless surveillance inside one's home.

741 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:14:30pm

re: #671 ShanghaiEd

Hi, Jackson: I've got a problem, here. I was just reading the Lounge thread and notice that for some reason you have cut and pasted an angry conversation you had with another commenter, then substituted my name for theirs.

You then call me an "Obama drooler," and "drunk with ignorance" for something I did not say.

I have no idea why you would do this, but I really don't appreciate it. Goodness knows I have enough flaws of my own to answer for, without taking on someone else's.

I would also like for the folks who approved of your take-down of me...Lincoln, Mandy, Pink, and Reine, so far...to note that the information is false. I'd appreciate a correction, when you have time.

Ed. Jax'n came back on that thread and said it wasn't you.
Those of us reading those threads, btw, as I was, knew it anyhow, because we knew what everbody said, and we knew it wasn't you. Even if we had not known, Jackson came back and made the correction.

Please do not ever make an assumption that I have updinged somebody because I agree with or like their "takedown" of anybody. There are many reasons I upding; you do not know and cannot know what they are.

742 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:14:58pm

re: #735 Sharmuta

Can we call it the Out of My Wallet, Out of My House Party?

Where do I sign up?

743 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:16:09pm
744 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:25:22pm

re: #743 buzzsawmonkey

I'll come for the chicken pot pie suppers.

And dessert. Don't forget the brownies, Alice.

745 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:27:32pm

re: #736 Iron Fist

I'm not sure where you are drawing your statistics from, but they show what I said: women are as divided as men on the issue. Hell, I don't stand where I did five years ago on the issue and I won't guarantee where I'll stand on the issue five years from now. I'm divided on the issue. What isn't convincing me to support the pro-choice side (where I basically fell five to seven years ago) is the absolutists. People who are for abortion right up to the minute of birth (or beyond? Why not?). People who oppose parental notifican laws when everyone knows such opposition is rooted in protecting statutory rapists and not young girls afraid of their father (there is a reason that there can be judicial diversion of such a notification. And only one reason to oppose that).

Things like that are changing my opinion of the issue. I'm more in line with your view, as you deliniate it, but I'm not sure you really are in line with your view as you deliniate it. Why would going back to the States having control of the issue not be better? It is, apparently, the way Judicial Appointee Sotomayor wants to deal with the Second Amnedment, a right clearly and unequivicaly deliniated in the Bill of Rights. Surely if it would be good enough for the Second it wouold be good enough for, what amendment does the Right to Abortion come from again?

(For the record, you are a bright man, but you need to know your limits. When you are arguing law with OR, you are arguing law with a lawyer. Maybe you think you can represent yourself in court, too, but that really isn't an arguement you are going to win)

I have already delineated my position on abortion:

1) abortion on demand in the 1st trimester

2) abortion allowed up until fetal viability (mid 2nd trimester) in cases of rape or incest, to allow for additional time for those injured in their rapes to sufficiently recover to be able to safely undergo the procedures and for minors to obtain court permission to obtain them when their parents object, and to obtain monies to pay for them.

3) abortion only allowed in the 3rd trimester when womens' lives or physical health are at serious (and in the case of health, permanent) risk (blindness, paralysis, brain damage, a future on kidney dialysis due to comprehensive renal failure, etc.), or if the fetus is either already dead or so horrifically damaged or deformed that it cannot long survive delivery.

This is a moderate sensible centrist position.

Having the states dictate in which of them women could and could not obtain legal abortions would only result in women dying in the states that prohibited it, as they attempted to illegally self-abort.

And you might wanna check my #740 response to OR to find out that even a lawyer can make mistakes.

746 fpxr  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:30:09pm

anti-abortion activist.

is that the opposite of a pro-abortion activist?

747 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:34:49pm

re: #746 fpxr

anti-abortion activist.

is that the opposite of a pro-abortion activist?

Nope. It's the opposite of a pro-choice activist. Abortion is the choice that an antiabortion activist wishes to deny to people. Pro-choice activists want women to be able to choose for themselves whether to abort their pregnancies or carry them to term. You wanna see pro-abortion, check out Communist China, where abortions are mandated after having one child.

748 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:35:14pm

re: #741 reine.de.tout

Ed. Jax'n came back on that thread and said it wasn't you.
Those of us reading those threads, btw, as I was, knew it anyhow, because we knew what everbody said, and we knew it wasn't you. Even if we had not known, Jackson came back and made the correction.

Please do not ever make an assumption that I have updinged somebody because I agree with or like their "takedown" of anybody. There are many reasons I upding; you do not know and cannot know what they are.

Point taken, Reine. I'm still learning my way around, here.

I've got a fairly thick skin, but for somebody of my political beliefs to be called an Obama supporter, much less "Obama drooler," just flies all over me. I despite what the guy's doing to the country, and to my knowledge have never said a kind word about him here, or anywhere. If somebody can show me differently, I'll do a big mea culpa.

Are you and I square on that fact? If so, I'll drop it and move on to better things.

749 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:41:35pm

re: #748 ShanghaiEd

Point taken, Reine. I'm still learning my way around, here.

I've got a fairly thick skin, but for somebody of my political beliefs to be called an Obama supporter, much less "Obama drooler," just flies all over me. I despite what the guy's doing to the country, and to my knowledge have never said a kind word about him here, or anywhere. If somebody can show me differently, I'll do a big mea culpa.

Are you and I square on that fact? If so, I'll drop it and move on to better things.

Ed, we're square on that. I knew right away that Jax'n had mis-formatted that and it was a different commenter. I have no problem with you (or anyone, really) and I don't think I've been rude to any serious person here. I don't like condescending treatment of other commenters, and I will usually just say exactly what I'm thinking.

Now there are comments in various threads where you call me out for dinging up your "takedown", when I did no such thing. Your assumption that I did was wrong, as was your public accusation. Are we square on that? If so, I'll drop it and move on.

750 fpxr  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 3:58:27pm

"Pro-choice activists want women to be able to choose for themselves whether to abort their pregnancies or carry them to term."

Gotcha.

So, you are saying that Pro-Choice activists are not Pro-Abortion since they are choosing to terminate the condition of pregnancy that is occurring to their bodies, while removing the fetus and allowing it to continue growing without choosing to terminate the actual fetus, correct?

Also, are they choosing to terminate the life of the fetus or is that choice left to the fetus?

Finally, how is it that, as you say, Communist China's practice of mandating aborting a fetus after having one child is "pro-abortion" and not "pro-choice"? Isn't it still pro-choice - the choice to terminate the pregnancy - except that the choice is placed in the hands of the state?
Aren't they more accurately "pro-state-choice" according to your definition?

751 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 4:02:19pm

re: #748 ShanghaiEd

Point taken, Reine. I'm still learning my way around, here.

I've got a fairly thick skin, but for somebody of my political beliefs to be called an Obama supporter, much less "Obama drooler," just flies all over me. I despite what the guy's doing to the country, and to my knowledge have never said a kind word about him here, or anywhere. If somebody can show me differently, I'll do a big mea culpa.

Are you and I square on that fact? If so, I'll drop it and move on to better things.

One more thing, Ed. Awhile back, when no one else would do it, you gave me respect for what you called my consistent belief and approach to abortion; I greatly appreciated that, and respected you for it.
Now please calm down.

752 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 4:04:54pm

re: #749 reine.de.tout

Ed, we're square on that. I knew right away that Jax'n had mis-formatted that and it was a different commenter. I have no problem with you (or anyone, really) and I don't think I've been rude to any serious person here. I don't like condescending treatment of other commenters, and I will usually just say exactly what I'm thinking.

Now there are comments in various threads where you call me out for dinging up your "takedown", when I did no such thing. Your assumption that I did was wrong, as was your public accusation. Are we square on that? If so, I'll drop it and move on.

Yes, we're square. Sorry I wrongly cast aspersions your way. Onward...

753 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 4:05:34pm

re: #752 ShanghaiEd

Yes, we're square. Sorry I wrongly cast aspersions your way. Onward...

ok!
:-)

754 hanoch  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 4:11:16pm

re: #596 buzzsawmonkey

I like my privacy too, but that fact does not mean a generalized right to privacy or right to an abortion is part of the US Constitution. The Constitution has a clearly established amendment process for which such rights could be included. Further, legislatures are fully capable of enacting laws dealing with abortion, as well as other privacy issues. Such laws would be legitimate because they were subject to the political process.

It is a terrible mistake to simply conjure up constitutional rights simply because they accord with what certain individuals, including judges, believe should be in the Constitution, rather than what is actually there. The bottom line is that Roe is an indefensible decision from a legal reasoning standpoint, irrespective of one's views on abortion. For Sotomayor to declare that the decision is "settled law" is simply disingenuous. Clearly Roe is legal precedent that must be followed by the lower courts. But that does not prevent the Supreme Court from overturning Roe if the Court determined that it was wrongly decided.

Any US citizen, whether on the left or right, whether pro or anti-abortion, should be alarmed by judges who are willing to create law (and, in Sotomayor's case, go on to defend it) because doing so undermines the most important protection for individual liberty in this country: the separation of powers.

755 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 4:20:49pm

re: #751 reine.de.tout

One more thing, Ed. Awhile back, when no one else would do it, you gave me respect for what you called my consistent belief and approach to abortion; I greatly appreciated that, and respected you for it.
Now please calm down.

Thanks, Reine. That means a lot to me.

I have thoroughly calmed down, and thoroughly moved on... :)

756 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 4:26:12pm
757 odorlesspaintthinner  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 4:31:39pm

re: #6 reine.de.tout

Not the way for anyone to get their point across.

You cannot gain respect for your position, if you are unable to respect the decorum of others.

I really hate it when idiots are on the same side of an issue as I am.

Exactly.

There are these kinds of kooks on one side of the debate, and there are the "abortion isn't murder, it's fine and dandy" types on the other. I got (deservedly) seriously down-dinged for calling someone out on here for saying just that, with what I thought was an obvious joke- a questionnaire asking all the women to list how many abortions they had and how "fine and dandy" they felt about it. That was wrong, and I need to learn how to use the /sarc tag. But, my point is that there is always disrespect in the opinions of extremists. Saying "abortion isn't murder" puts the toe right on that line, because what we should all agree on, and even the Mighty O has said, is that if abortion is legal then it should be (and should be presented as) the last choice, and an undesirable one at that. Roe v. Wade ultimately rested on the constitutional right to privacy, not on the absence of rights of the unborn, so it is one thing to assert the law and quite another to proclaim it "fine and dandy" as if it should be viewed lightly.

758 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 4:47:58pm

re: #757 odorlesspaintthinner

Exactly.

There are these kinds of kooks on one side of the debate, and there are the "abortion isn't murder, it's fine and dandy" types on the other. I got (deservedly) seriously down-dinged for calling someone out on here for saying just that, with what I thought was an obvious joke- a questionnaire asking all the women to list how many abortions they had and how "fine and dandy" they felt about it. That was wrong, and I need to learn how to use the /sarc tag. But, my point is that there is always disrespect in the opinions of extremists. Saying "abortion isn't murder" puts the toe right on that line, because what we should all agree on, and even the Mighty O has said, is that if abortion is legal then it should be (and should be presented as) the last choice, and an undesirable one at that. Roe v. Wade ultimately rested on the constitutional right to privacy, not on the absence of rights of the unborn, so it is one thing to assert the law and quite another to proclaim it "fine and dandy" as if it should be viewed lightly.

Odorless: I am a fairly old guy, and I have never in my life met a woman who said that abortion was "fine and dandy."

I'm sure they exist, out of billions of people in the world, but to claim that "fine and dandy" is "the other side of the debate" is a disservice to serious people who grapple with the question daily.

I would wager that people with the position "abortion is murder" outnumber by a factor of thousands, if not millions, the women who supposedly have abortions for entertainment.

759 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:11:21pm

re: #750 fpxr

"Pro-choice activists want women to be able to choose for themselves whether to abort their pregnancies or carry them to term."

Gotcha.

So, you are saying that Pro-Choice activists are not Pro-Abortion since they are choosing to terminate the condition of pregnancy that is occurring to their bodies, while removing the fetus and allowing it to continue growing without choosing to terminate the actual fetus, correct?

Also, are they choosing to terminate the life of the fetus or is that choice left to the fetus?

Fetuses are incapable of exercising choice; it is as pointless to try to give fetuses choice as it is to hand fish bicycles. When viable fetuses are removed from women while care is taken to preserve their lives, that is known as a c-section. And pro-choice activists aren't necessarily choosing to terminate ANYTHING in their own bodies; men can be pro-choice activists, nimrod.

Finally, how is it that, as you say, Communist China's practice of mandating aborting a fetus after having one child is "pro-abortion" and not "pro-choice"? Isn't it still pro-choice - the choice to terminate the pregnancy - except that the choice is placed in the hands of the state?

Aren't they more accurately "pro-state-choice" according to your definition?

No, because individual choices are properlly exercised by individuals; when states arrogate themselves the right to make such choices for individuals, it is rightly called coercive constraint.

But you know all this, or should, if youi have an IQ that breaks single digits; you're just being a contentious anus.

760 hanoch  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:13:55pm

re: #756 buzzsawmonkey

You missed my point (which really had little to do with abortion) so I'll try to be clearer: There is no general right of privacy in the Constitution. The rights of citizens are carefully delineated in the Bill of Rights; none sets forth a general right of privacy.

The aspect of the the US Constitution that protects "the concept of liberty" is the separation of powers, which prevents power from becoming centralized in one political body. The Soviet Union's bill of rights was far more extensive than that of the United States. Yet it made no difference because power was completely centralized and the government was unaccountable to the people.

The fact that the Constitution does not set forth a general right of privacy does not at all mean, as you say, that the "concept of privacy" is destroyed. Legislatures are the representatives of the people and, as such, they have the power to enact laws which protect personal privacy. In fact, they do this all the time (e.g., attorney-client privilege laws, laws protecting tax and medical records from disclosure, etc.)

When the US Supreme Court effectively creates new laws on purportedly constitutional grounds -- whether it be on the question of abortion or any other issue (e.g., affirmative action, gay marriage, eminent domain, etc.) -- liberty is truly destroyed because this judge-made law is not made with the consent of the citizenry, and because there is nothing you, I, the legislature, or the executive branch can do about it, short of a constitutional amendment (which is, by design, very difficult to pass).

761 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:20:16pm

re: #757 odorlesspaintthinner

Exactly.

There are these kinds of kooks on one side of the debate, and there are the "abortion isn't murder, it's fine and dandy" types on the other. I got (deservedly) seriously down-dinged for calling someone out on here for saying just that, with what I thought was an obvious joke- a questionnaire asking all the women to list how many abortions they had and how "fine and dandy" they felt about it. That was wrong, and I need to learn how to use the /sarc tag. But, my point is that there is always disrespect in the opinions of extremists. Saying "abortion isn't murder" puts the toe right on that line, because what we should all agree on, and even the Mighty O has said, is that if abortion is legal then it should be (and should be presented as) the last choice, and an undesirable one at that. Roe v. Wade ultimately rested on the constitutional right to privacy, not on the absence of rights of the unborn, so it is one thing to assert the law and quite another to proclaim it "fine and dandy" as if it should be viewed lightly.

I have been a volunteer clinic escort, and I can tell you that the vast majority of women do not blithely and cavilierly decide to abort on a whim, as if they're at a beauty salon deciding whether to add highlights to their hair; they excruciatingly agonize about their decisions. Taking the decision lightly is the LAST thing that most women do.

But no, abortion ISN'T murder (the unlawful killing of a person), for two reasons. First, a zygote or embryo, while human and alive, is not legally defined as a person in the US. Second, since abortion is legal here, pregnancy termination is lawful.

762 Salamantis  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:25:08pm

OT: I know of three categories of confidential privilege: doctor-patient, lawyer-client, and minister-confessor. Are there any others that anyone can think of?

763 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 6:40:38pm
764 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 7:02:59pm

re: #762 Salamantis

OT: I know of three categories of confidential privilege: doctor-patient, lawyer-client, and minister-confessor. Are there any others that anyone can think of?

Well, you got your "spousal" and your "journalist," in somewhat more limited situations.

765 kevin1107  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 9:48:44pm

Charles,

Are they really "kooks" because they are standing up for the rights of the unborn? And if you believe the unborn have no rights, are they still "kooks" for simply expressing their opinions?

766 hanoch  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 10:27:04pm

re: #763 buzzsawmonkey

Well, it is apparent that you don't give me much credit, so I'll let Justice Scalia speak to the importance of the separation of powers vis-a-vis the Bill of Rights:

The Framers of the Federal Constitution similarly viewed the principle of separation of powers as the absolutely central guarantee of a just government. In No. 47 of The Federalist, Madison wrote that "[n]o political truth is certainly of greater intrinsic value, or is stamped with the authority of more enlightened patrons of liberty." The Federalist No. 47, p. 301 (C. Rossiter ed.1961) (hereinafter Federalist). Without a secure structure of separated powers, our Bill of Rights would be worthless, as are the bills of rights of many nations of the world that have adopted, or even improved upon, the mere words of ours.

You can read the rest in Scalia's dissent in Morrison v. Olson, 487 U.S. 654 (1988). Hopefully you'll agree that Justice Scalia and James Madison are not "woefully confused."

On the issue of a generalized "right of privacy", it is either in the Constitution or it is not. It is a document. You can read it. If you do, you are not going to find a reference to a general right of privacy.

Instead of citing the text of the Constitution, you keep referring to this general right of privacy as an "assumption" or "presumption" which sounds vaguely reminiscent of "penumbras" and "emanations". Obviously, the liberal Supreme Court Justices divined this right of privacy in a similar manner when it suited their need to effectively create new law.

For some reason, you seem to think this is a question of my view of whether abortion should be legal or not. But you are dead wrong. My concern here is the proper role of the courts, which under Article III of the Constitution, is to apply the law to the facts. Creating law is the function of the legislature.

Justice Thomas summed the matter up well in his dissent in Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003), stating:

I join Justice Scalia’s dissenting opinion. I write separately to note that the law before the Court today “is … uncommonly silly.” Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 527 (1965) (Stewart, J., dissenting). If I were a member of the Texas Legislature, I would vote to repeal it. Punishing someone for expressing his sexual preference through noncommercial consensual conduct with another adult does not appear to be a worthy way to expend valuable law enforcement resources.

Notwithstanding this, I recognize that as a member of this Court I am not empowered to help petitioners and others similarly situated. My duty, rather, is to “decide cases ‘agreeably to the Constitution and laws of the United States.’ ” Id., at 530. And, just like Justice Stewart, I “can find [neither in the Bill of Rights nor any other part of the Constitution a] general right of privacy,” ibid., or as the Court terms it today, the “liberty of the person both in its spatial and more transcendent dimensions,” ante, at 1.

I can only hope you never find yourself in a courtroom where the law is on your side, and some judge decides to disregard it and rule against you because he has an agenda of his own. Because if you do, you'll get a first-hand taste of how critical the separation of powers is to individual liberty and justice.

767 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:12:00am

re: #765 kevin1107

Charles,

Are they really "kooks" because they are standing up for the rights of the unborn? And if you believe the unborn have no rights, are they still "kooks" for simply expressing their opinions?

Yes, people who sneak into hearings, yell slogans, and have to be dragged out by the police are KOOKS. They're kooks when they belong to Code Pink, and they're no less kooks when they're convinced they're acting like idiots for God.

768 odorlesspaintthinner  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 4:22:14am

re: #758 ShanghaiEd

Odorless: I am a fairly old guy, and I have never in my life met a woman who said that abortion was "fine and dandy."

I was quoting a phrase used in this post:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

769 odorlesspaintthinner  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 4:26:33am

re: #768 odorlesspaintthinner

Oh, and I notice the "score" for that post was +1. So not nearly as many people who downdinged me for my bogus questionairre downdinged that person for saying it's "all fine and dandy."


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