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Lousy human bastards!

Caesar, Conquest of the Planet of the Apes

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1 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:13:40pm

Hooah... overnight

2 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:15:04pm

I used to love the planet of the apes movies when i was little.

3 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:16:08pm

whistling...

4 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:16:43pm

Hey there mrshankly- where's the rest of the lizards?

5 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:17:20pm

re: #4 Fenway_Nation

i don't know, thought maybe there was a flame war somewhere, it isn't moving fast enough on the other thread, though.

6 gmsc  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:17:36pm

re: #2 mrshankly01

I used to love the planet of the apes movies when i was little.

I just saw the original again last weekend!

7 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:17:50pm

re: #4 Fenway_Nation

how you been fenway

8 Last Mohican  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:17:52pm

I always feel an inner sense of accomplishment when I make it to the overnight thread, being out here on the East Coast as I am.

Having said that, I shall triumphantly head off to sleep now. Weet dreams everyone...

9 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:18:16pm

re: #6 gmsc

love the original, it is my favorite of them all

10 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:18:38pm

I think the hot topic has been wether or not 0bama bounced in that ceremonial 1st pitch.

/was following the All Star game on the radio, so I couldn't offer an informed opinon

11 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:18:38pm

Whew! Made it to the late night!
HOLA HONCOS!
And how are y'all tonight?

12 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:18:49pm

re: #6 gmsc

no new projects for this evening PI

13 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:19:17pm

re: #11 Floral Giraffe

evening fg

14 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:19:21pm

re: #11 Floral Giraffe


Heya stripey skunk!

15 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:20:20pm
Lousy human bastards!

That's what I always say!

16 pat  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:20:34pm

Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres,
Caesar

17 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:21:28pm

re: #16 pat

et tu, pat??

18 gmsc  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:21:37pm

re: #9 mrshankly01

love the original, it is my favorite of them all

I especially love when the three judges during the trial scene are posed in the "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" pose.

re: #12 mrshankly01

no new projects for this evening PI

1 minor one, but nothing I can't do while I'm here on LGF!

19 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:22:29pm

Hi there all of you night lizards. Thought I would never get here from the last thread.

20 gmsc  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:22:54pm
Lousy human bastards!

— Caesar, Conquest of the Planet of the Apes

re: #15 Sharmuta

That's what I always say!

"I love mankind. It's people I can't stand!"
-Linus Van Pelt

21 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:23:53pm

Adios, my lizard brethren. Sleep calls.

22 Mr. E. Train  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:24:44pm

Check out ZombieTime. John Holdrens office issue a statement to answer Zombie's post about the man's population control scheme he helped to write about back in '77.

Three cheers for the walking dead! The revolution will not be televised, it will be blogged!

23 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:24:55pm

re: #18 gmsc

well good luck with it.

24 pat  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:25:02pm

re: #17 mrshankly01

4 years, lol. But I am over it.

25 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:25:14pm

re: #21 austin_blue

Adios, my lizard brethren. Sleep calls.

'Nite. See ya tomorrow if the old juniper berries don't get me.

26 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:25:26pm

"Ape has kille ape"

-Everyone else at the end of Battle for the Planet of the Apes

27 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:26:23pm

re: #13 mrshankly01

Well, hello mrshankly!
How are you?

28 gmsc  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:27:07pm

re: #23 mrshankly01

well good luck with it.

Thanks.

Do you enjoy the musical version of Planet of the Apes?

29 Mr. E. Train  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:27:30pm

Years ago I recall seeing the cover to a graphic novel that was a cross over story between Planet of the Apes and Alien Nation.

A special effects make-up artists nightmare.

30 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:27:39pm

Just watched an old "Boston Legal" episode where the court case was in regard to teaching ID in schools. The judge ruled for ID. Go figure. I thought Hollywood was to liberal for that.

31 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:28:09pm

re: #27 Floral Giraffe

doing well. glad i missed the drama thread. don't have any alcohol...

32 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:28:16pm

re: #14 Fenway_Nation

Heh!
Check out my cousin!
The Okapi's! 4th critter down!
www.zooborns.com

Photo credits: Dave Parsons / Denver Zoo
Continue reading "Okapis - Giraffes' Long Lost Cousin" »

Posted at 05:45 AM in Denver Zoo, Okapi %P% Permalink %P% Comments (5) %P% TrackBack (0)

33 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:29:10pm

re: #28 gmsc

classic. too funny...

34 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:29:51pm

re: #32 Floral Giraffe

I bet giraffes and oakpis keep in touch better than 0bama does with the rest of his family.

35 sngnsgt  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:29:52pm

I know the media has gone bonkers over Michael Jackson, but I've hardly heard anything mentioned about the movie 'The Wiz'. I was never a fan of Jackson's music, but I think 'The Wiz' starring Diana Ross, Michael Jackson, and Nipsey Russell was a great flick.

36 NY Nana  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:30:13pm

re: #19 Pvt Bin Jammin

Hi there all of you night lizards. Thought I would never get here from the last thread.

/I was following you!

Got to go to sleep...can't see straight. Daughter brought the almost-3 year old here, and he was sooo funny! Today he was asking question after question, with a straight face. I had such a hard time keeping my face serious. NY Grampa got both of us a new mouse pad, of the 3 little guys together, on a slide, and the small person was amazed. He wanted to know how someone could do that. NY Grampa explained. Daughter is thinking of getting one for her and for my son in law.

Sweet dreams, Lizards! G'nite, all.

37 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:30:47pm

re: #36 NY Nana

night ny

38 pat  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:30:52pm

Four years after the revolution and the old king's execution
Four years after I remember how those courtiers took their final vow
String up every aristocrat
Out with the priests Let them live on their fat
Four years after we started fighting
Marat keeps on with his writing

Marat Sade

39 freetoken  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:31:00pm
40 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:31:42pm

re: #36 NY Nana

You cute. I know you must have had a blast.

Take care, Nana, and sweet dreams.

41 gmsc  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:32:31pm

re: #39 freetoken

One of the better endings in a movie

An ending written by Rod Serling, no less!

You know, I kind of had my suspicions when the apes could not only speak and understand, but could read Taylor's writing, as well.

42 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:32:41pm

re: #40 Pvt Bin Jammin

PIMF..How cute...not to say you're not cute, Nana. ;-)

43 gmsc  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:32:45pm

'Nite, Nana!

44 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:35:12pm

re: #36 NY Nana

Bye nana!

45 gmsc  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:36:55pm

OMG U FAIL SO HARD

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Cheers,
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46 NY Nana  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:38:33pm

'NiteAll! Too wasted to type all the nics.

ZZZzzz. Sweet dreams!

47 zombie  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:38:39pm

re: #22 Mr. E. Train

Check out ZombieTime. John Holdrens office issue a statement to answer Zombie's post about the man's population control scheme he helped to write about back in '77.

Three cheers for the walking dead! The revolution will not be televised, it will be blogged!

Here's the full post (sorry if anyone already saw it on the previous thread) --a brand new zomblog post, uploaded just a short time ago:

(And this will be my final comment of the night -- duties beckon!)

---

White House, John Holdren's office both issue statements on Ecoscience controversy

According to this article in the Washington Times, both the White House and John Holdren’s office have issued official statements from Holdren and his co-authors in which he distances himself from the words published in Ecoscience 32 years ago. From the article:

When asked whether Mr. Holdren’s thoughts on population control have changed over the years, his staff gave The Washington Times a statement that said, “This material is from a three-decade-old, three-author college textbook. Dr. Holdren addressed this issue during his confirmation when he said he does not believe that determining optimal population is a proper role of government. Dr. Holdren is not and never has been an advocate for policies of forced sterilization.

The White House also passed along a statement from the Ehrlichs that said, in part, “anybody who actually wants to know what we and/or Professor Holdren believe and recommend about these matters would presumably read some of the dozens of publications that we and he separately have produced in more recent times, rather than going back a third of a century to find some formulations in an encyclopedic textbook where description can be misrepresented as endorsement.“

(The second quote above is from page 2 of the article.)

In my original report, I asked Holdren “to publicly renounce and disavow the opinions and recommendations he made in the book Ecoscience.”

I ask my readers: Do you think this counts as the renunciation and disavowal I requested?

And who wants to take up the challenge from the Ehrlichs issued by the White House to look into “some of the dozens of publications that we and he separately have produced in more recent times” to uncover “what we and/or Professor Holdren believe”? Seems like territory ripe for exploration! Post any research you uncover either here in the comments section, or on your own blog. Anything that John Holdren or the Ehrlichs have written since 1977 is fair game — according to the Ehrlichs themselves.

It’s quite unusual for a blog post to cause such a fuss that it elicits a response from the White House. Why did they bother responding to my post and not the countless other posts critical of the Obama administration?

[Note: Yes, I know the Washington Times is owned by the Unification Church, and is known to have a conservative slant, but in recent years they've become more mainstream and it looks like they've diligently done their homework this time.]

48 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:39:13pm

re: #45 gmsc

hahahaha.

49 realwest  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:40:37pm

Well y'all I gotta try to get some sleep tonight. Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and THAT I GET THE CHANCE to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

50 gmsc  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:40:52pm

re: #49 realwest

Well y'all I gotta try to get some sleep tonight. Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and THAT I GET THE CHANCE to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

G'Nite, realwest!

51 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:41:09pm

re: #49 realwest

night rw

52 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:41:30pm

re: #49 realwest

Sweet dreams, realwest. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

53 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:43:18pm

re: #49 realwest

G'nite realwest!

54 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:44:31pm

Ahoy, polloi!

S'up?

55 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:45:25pm

re: #47 zombie

(The second quote above is from page 2 of the article.)

In my original report, I asked Holdren “to publicly renounce and disavow the opinions and recommendations he made in the book Ecoscience.”

I ask my readers: Do you think this counts as the renunciation and disavowal I requested?

And who wants to take up the challenge from the Ehrlichs issued by the White House to look into “some of the dozens of publications that we and he separately have produced in more recent times” to uncover “what we and/or Professor Holdren believe”? Seems like territory ripe for exploration! Post any research you uncover either here in the comments section, or on your own blog. Anything that John Holdren or the Ehrlichs have written since 1977 is fair game — according to the Ehrlichs themselves.

It’s quite unusual for a blog post to cause such a fuss that it elicits a response from the White House. Why did they bother responding to my post and not the countless other posts critical of the Obama administration?

[Note: Yes, I know the Washington Times is owned by the Unification Church, and is known to have a conservative slant, but in recent years they've become more mainstream and it looks like they've diligently done their homework this time.]

This is a non-response to your request. It blames those who believe your article for being, basically, stupid. It's similar to the standard non-apology that goes, "I'm sorry that you're offended by..." which shifts blame from the utterer back onto the objector.

Interesting, too, that not a single one of the three authors is willing to take credit for the words. One of them surely wrote them, and the others agreed with them enough to allow them to stand in their joint publication. And there is no direct discussion, let alone denunciation, of those words by any of them, just finger-pointing over who actually said them and a smoke-grenade in the form of "Well, that book is old" tossed out to obscure the actual issue.

Up the ante. Demand an explicit retraction and denunciation of those statements, or point out that, without it, the authors are implicitly owning the words they wrote to this very day.

56 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:45:27pm

WTF Can't find the link but the local NBC news said the credit card folks are lowering limits, etc. on folks who have used their credit cards at a thrift store. That is unreal.

57 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:46:48pm

well, goodnight everyone. long day today. sorry I cant stay long.
gmsc and fenway, enjoy my fruitcup.

58 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:46:59pm

re: #56 Pvt Bin Jammin

WTF Can't find the link but the local NBC news said the credit card folks are lowering limits, etc. on folks who have used their credit cards at a thrift store. That is unreal.

They're lowering limits in general; it doesn't matter where you shop. With a half-million jobs being lost every month, letting people rack up large quantities of debt is a losing proposition for credit card companies.

59 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:47:24pm

re: #57 mrshankly01

Sweet dreams.

60 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:47:43pm

re: #57 mrshankly01

G'nite mrshankly!

/Did I forget to put on deodorant or something?

61 gmsc  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:47:55pm

re: #56 Pvt Bin Jammin

WTF Can't find the link but the local NBC news said the credit card folks are lowering limits, etc. on folks who have used their credit cards at a thrift store. That is unreal.

Hey - What could go wrong?
;)

62 gmsc  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:48:11pm

re: #57 mrshankly01

well, goodnight everyone. long day today. sorry I cant stay long.
gmsc and fenway, enjoy my fruitcup.

Cool, thanks!

63 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:48:11pm

re: #59 Pvt Bin Jammin

thanks PBJ.

64 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:48:48pm

re: #60 Fenway_Nation

haha, nope. just stopped into to say hello. night all.

65 gmsc  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:49:12pm

re: #64 mrshankly01

haha, nope. just stopped into to say hello. night all.

G'Nite, Mrshankly!

66 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:49:12pm

re: #58 SixDegrees

They're lowering limits in general; it doesn't matter where you shop. With a half-million jobs being lost every month, letting people rack up large quantities of debt is a losing proposition for credit card companies.

If I remember right, they're also penalising people who always pay on time.

67 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:49:44pm

re: #58 SixDegrees

I agree but it's not just poor folks who like to go there and shop. That could really be a shame, especially if the credit score is dropped, for some decent responsible folks.

68 gmsc  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:51:56pm

Uncomfortable Plot Summaries

Some choice excerpts:

300: Gays kill blacks.

CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY: Deranged pedophile big-business industrialist tortures and mutilates young children.

HAIR: Hippie dodges draft, dies ironically.

ALIENS: An unplanned pregnancy leads to complications.

ROSEMARY’S BABY: An unplanned pregnancy leads to complications.

TERMINATOR: An unplanned pregnancy leads to complications.

69 Cheechako  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:55:42pm

I was actually able to fix my computer. Had to get a registry clean-up program. Boy, did I have a lot of junk hiding in my computer.

Again, my thanks to all the lizards who offered advice last night.

70 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:59:04pm

re: #69 Cheechako

Glad you got it fixed.

Just looked at your avatar. We did an Alaskan cruise last summer. I loved it. Ketchican was my favorite little town.

71 Millicent Islam  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:59:36pm

Is it just me, or did a lot of extremely odd shit happen today?

Bride's bouquet crashes plane

Michael Steele says fried chicken will help the GOP be more inclusive

Poll says majority of republicans don't think Palin is fit to be POTUS

WTF?

I'm just catching up and checking out memeorandum, but it looks like a damn weird day.

72 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 14, 2009 11:59:42pm

re: #55 SixDegrees

Look- not to sound rude or anything, but this is a non-issue for me. This guy is not forcing abortions on anyone now or at any point in the future.

What's really affecting my life is the shit the president is doing with Congress. Things like making it difficult for my employer and other people just like him to keep their business in operation. The economy is affecting me- not the science czar. Granted- that book says some really f*cked up things, but really. The science czar's decades old comments are impacting me a hell of a lot less than those Lousy Human Bastards in Congress. But if others want to be outraged by this, I can't stop them.

73 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:00:00am

Today in History, July 15th:

Highlights of this day in history: President Richard Nixon announces his breakthrough trip to China; Fashion designer Gianni Versace slain; Aerospace giant Boeing founded; Dutch painter Rembrandt born.

Other notable July 15th events include:

1799 – The Rosetta Stone is found in the Egyptian village of Rosetta by French Captain Pierre-François Bouchard during Napoleon's Egyptian Campaign.

1823 – A fire destroys the ancient Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls in Rome.

1870 – Reconstruction era of the United States: Georgia becomes the last of the former Confederate states to be readmitted to the Union.

1979 – U.S. President Jimmy Carter gives his famous "malaise" speech, where he characterizes the greatest threat to the country as "this crisis in the growing doubt about the meaning of our own lives and in the loss of a unity of purpose for our nation."

2002 – "American Taliban" John Walker Lindh pleads guilty to supplying aid to the enemy and to possession of explosives during the commission of a felony.

2003 – AOL Time Warner disbands Netscape Communications Corporation. The Mozilla Foundation is established on the same day.

74 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:03:07am

re: #73 gmsc

I loved my old Netscape 4.5. Can't believe I just got Firefox less than a year ago.

75 jvic  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:03:18am

re: #66 iceweasel

If I remember right, they're also penalising people who always pay on time.

Yep. They refer to them inhouse as 'deadbeats'.

There is something wrong with an industry that can't make money by taking 3% off the top of every transaction by a creditworthy customer. There is something wrong with an industry that works itself into moral indignation when it can't charge usurious interest--during a historical recession.

76 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:03:36am

Grrr . . .

Graffiti vandals tag "Welcome to Las Vegas" sign

It's the iconic neon symbol of Las Vegas like you've probably never seen it before.

For the first time in more than a decade, the sign that welcomes visitors to "fabulous" Las Vegas has suffered an ugly attack by vandals.

News 3's Steve Crupi reports that a reward is being offered to catch the taggers: $500 is reserved for information leading to those responsible for the red lettering scrawled on the sign and sign post.

An electronic billboard along the US 95 is already advertising the reward.

There aren't too many public works of art in our city. It's not quite the Mona Lisa, but it's a symbol of the city that has earned a place of respect and honor around the globe.

And from the moment this attack was discovered, people started reacting with disgust and dismay.

"Graffiti has got to stop," says a tourist. "That's sad."

Graffiti has become a bothersome and expensive problem in Las Vegas. A few years ago, Mayor Oscar Goodman stirred up some debate when he described how he felt taggers should be punished.

"I would like to chop off their thumbs."

Monday, we heard from others who had their own suggestions.

"Catch 'em, hang 'em. Let's paint the town."

"They need to pay for it."

The "Welcome to Fabulous Las Vegas" sign was added to the National Register of Historic Places earlier this year. It was designed and installed in 1959.

Clark County buys more than 20,000 gallons of paint a year to clean up graffiti, costing taxpayers close to $30 million every year.

77 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:05:02am

re: #54 iceweasel

Who you callin' "polloi?"
;)

78 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:05:58am

re: #72 Sharmuta

Look- not to sound rude or anything, but this is a non-issue for me. This guy is not forcing abortions on anyone now or at any point in the future.

What's really affecting my life is the shit the president is doing with Congress. Things like making it difficult for my employer and other people just like him to keep their business in operation. The economy is affecting me- not the science czar. Granted- that book says some really f*cked up things, but really. The science czar's decades old comments are impacting me a hell of a lot less than those Lousy Human Bastards in Congress. But if others want to be outraged by this, I can't stop them.

Plus, as Charles already pointed out-- the book is 32 years old, had coauthors, and the measures being talked about were all in the context of a massive crisis.

Taking the context into account, those proposals are a lot less scary. They're not being advocated; they're being mentioned as possible strategies of the last resort in a massive crisis.

It's like if we all had a convo here on the LNDT thread about nuclear war and survivors, or a lifeboat stranded at sea, and I said we might have to resort to eating corpses. Then in the morning I wake up and see people on another thread saying "Iceweasel thinks we should eat corpses! SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!"

79 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:06:09am

re: #68 gmsc

BATMAN: Wealthy man assaults the mentally ill.

Hah!

80 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:07:06am

re: #75 jvic

Yep. They refer to them inhouse as 'deadbeats'.

There is something wrong with an industry that can't make money by taking 3% off the top of every transaction by a creditworthy customer. There is something wrong with an industry that works itself into moral indignation when it can't charge usurious interest--during a historical recession.

I still remember during the S&L crisis in the 1980s, when they were interviewing one S&L CEO whose company wasn't affected by the crisis. When asked why he thought his bank hadn't collapsed, he said, "We borrowed at 3%, loaned at 7%, and carefully checked the creditworthiness of our borrowers. In short, we didn't try to be clever."

81 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:07:07am
82 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:07:12am

re: #71 iceweasel

FWIW, they're all dang wierd from 11/1/08 to 11/2/10, if we're LUCKY...

83 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:07:13am

re: #71 iceweasel

Is it just me, or did a lot of extremely odd shit happen today?

Bride's bouquet crashes plane

Michael Steele says fried chicken will help the GOP be more inclusive

Poll says majority of republicans don't think Palin is fit to be POTUS

WTF?

I'm just catching up and checking out memeorandum, but it looks like a damn weird day.

And, one more factoid:

Sarah Palin's op-ed column in the Washington Post has, as of a few minutes ago, 3,370 comments and growing.

84 Cheechako  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:08:20am

re: #70 Pvt Bin Jammin


I'm in the Moonbat Capitol.

85 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:08:31am

re: #75 jvic

Yep. They refer to them inhouse as 'deadbeats'.

There is something wrong with an industry that can't make money by taking 3% off the top of every transaction by a creditworthy customer. There is something wrong with an industry that works itself into moral indignation when it can't charge usurious interest--during a historical recession.

Hey jvic! What's up?

I have to go back to that post you left for me and Ed; sorry, i was working and didn't have a chance to look.

You're right about the industry. Those people are evil.

86 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:08:34am

re: #82 Floral Giraffe

FWIW, they're all dang wierd from 11/1/08 to 11/2/10, if we're LUCKY...

One week from today, in Europe, it will be Pi Approximation Day - 22/7!

87 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:09:14am

re: #78 iceweasel

Just... please never mention Soylent Blue to me...

88 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:09:21am

re: #75 jvic

Casino's do fine getting 3% of the money on the tables.

89 Racer X  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:09:42am

re: #83 ShanghaiEd

Sarah Palin will be making lefties pee in their pants for years to come.

Aint it great?

90 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:10:42am

re: #72 Sharmuta

Sharmuta, I updinged that comment from SixDegrees and my hubby and I have been small business owners since 1980. This economy is sincerely my greatest concern and getting rid of some of these congress critters. I'm still really glad Zombie did the work on that if for no other reason than to open a few eyes. Perhaps some of those newly opened eyes will look in another direction and dig into some other questionable person.

91 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:11:08am

re: #83 ShanghaiEd

And, one more factoid:

Sarah Palin's op-ed column in the Washington Post has, as of a few minutes ago, 3,370 comments and growing.

Hardly surprising though, is it? Have to say this for Palin: she's a polarising figure.

That's why I shake my head at the meme that the 'media hate her'. The media LOVE her, they can't get enough of her. They're delighted that she resigned and can't wait to see what she does next.

92 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:11:55am

re: #87 Sharmuta

Just... please never mention Soylent Blue to me...

Which brings to mind a question - if it was made from people, why was Soylent Green green?

93 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:12:25am

re: #89 Racer X

Sarah Palin will be making lefties pee in their pants for years to come.

Aint it great?

For sure. I never thought I'd see something beaten to death as much as this.

94 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:12:50am

re: #83 ShanghaiEd


Sarah Palin's op-ed column in the Washington Post has, as of a few minutes ago, 3,370 comments and growing.

Ah yes, she is the woman who people who love to hate those who love to hate her love most.

95 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:13:37am

re: #89 Racer X

Sarah Palin will be making lefties pee in their pants for years to come.

Aint it great?

If by that you mean "make the left wet themselves laughing", I'd agree.

The left laughs at her. I realise this is uncomfortable for Palin fans to hear, but that is the truth. They're laughing.

Whether the left is correct to laugh at her is another issue.

96 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:15:04am

YouTube and Warner Brothers recently held a contest for best video on potion-making.

The winner? DadeCalvin!

97 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:21:34am

re: #86 gmsc

LOL!
So what is "our" Pi man doing to celebrate?

98 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:22:24am

re: #88 BatGuano

BatGuano! Hello, there!

99 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:23:06am

re: #97 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
So what is "our" Pi man doing to celebrate?

I'm not in Europe, so I don't celebrate. I celebrate Pi Day - 3/14!

100 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:23:20am

Geez- coulda been in that awkward plot summary posting all night:

TITANIC: Crazy old widow disregards lifelong memories of husband, children, and grandchildren in favor of that one time she fucked a bum.

101 jvic  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:23:32am

re: #85 iceweasel

Hey jvic! What's up?

I have to go back to that post you left for me and Ed; sorry, i was working and didn't have a chance to look.

Hi, ice. Muddling through. Good to see you. Glad you changed your mind about the week sabbatical.

You're right about the industry. Those people are evil.

I didn't quite say that although yes some of them are. Cf. my last post in the previous thread.

102 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:23:36am

re: #98 Floral Giraffe

BatGuano! Hello, there!

Hello, Floral!

103 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:23:39am

re: #92 gmsc

Which brings to mind a question - if it was made from people, why was Soylent Green green?

Hey, it's 07/15/09

7 X 15 X 9 = 315

3 + 1 + 5 = 9

''Number 9, number 9, number 9...

104 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:24:27am

re: #103 Gus 802

Hey, it's 07/15/09

7 X 15 X 9 = 315

3 + 1 + 5 = 9

''Number 9, number 9, number 9...

That's a great musical number!
;)

105 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:25:13am

re: #90 Pvt Bin Jammin

Perhaps some of those newly opened eyes will look in another direction and dig into some other questionable person.

Maybe. If others are motivated to do so. Every action strikes a chord that reverberates. Perhaps something more will come.

And I hope you're well tonight, PBJ. Seems like it's been awhile since we talked.

106 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:26:25am

re: #104 gmsc

That's a great musical number!
;)

[Video]

That reminds me. Ever see their music video about probability that takes place in a haunted house? It's called Ghost of a Chance.

107 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:27:01am

re: #101 jvic

I didn't quite say that although yes some of them are. Cf. my last post in the previous thread.

I'll check it out!

I'm just going to avoid Sotomayor discussions. The same way I'm avoiding them everywhere in my life. :)

BTW, what the hell is going on with Michael Steele?

Last weekend, in a sit-down with bloggers during the Young Republicans convention in Indiana, RNC Chairman Michael Steele revealed his strategy for attracting diverse Republicans.

Cameron Cowan of The Mile Hive, a Denver blog, asked Steele what his plan is for including "diverse populations" into the Republican party.

"My plan is to say, 'Ya'll come!" Steele said, adding, "I got the fried chicken and potato salad!"

WTF?

108 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:28:09am

re: #100 Fenway_Nation

Geez- coulda been in that awkward plot summary posting all night:

We could probably come up with our own, for Television.

E.g.:

STARGATE SG-1: Military men continually go in and out of a large orifice in search of new experiences.

STAR TREK TNG: Bald alpha male demonstrates his moral, intellectual, or physical superiority over the denizens of many planets.

109 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:29:43am

re: #105 Sharmuta

Maybe. If others are motivated to do so. Every action strikes a chord that reverberates. Perhaps something more will come.

And I hope you're well tonight, PBJ. Seems like it's been awhile since we talked.

I'm doing pretty well, thanks, and hope you are too.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid the average Joe on the street won't really look into the economical problems (not shocking enough, perhaps) but one can hope.

110 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:30:27am

re: #108 freetoken

We could probably come up with our own, for Television.

E.g.:

STARGATE SG-1: Military men continually go in and out of a large orifice in search of new experiences.

I'm updinging you because you made me laugh, but I'm going to be demure and restrained about this and eschew further comment or elaboration.

111 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:31:51am

re: #108 freetoken

We could probably come up with our own, for Television.

E.g.:

STARGATE SG-1: Military men continually go in and out of a large orifice in search of new experiences.

STAR TREK TNG: Bald alpha male demonstrates his moral, intellectual, or physical superiority over the denizens of many planets.

I DREAM OF JEANIE: Dumb Astronaut discovers source of unlimited magic power, spends most of his time trying to hide it.

112 Racer X  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:33:29am

re: #95 iceweasel

Hee hee!

I'm laughing too.

At your puddle.

113 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:34:17am

DUKES OF HAZARD: Hilbilly cousins mooch off of elderly relative, drive recklessly, taunt local government.

114 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:34:31am

Good night, Lizards!
Thank you for the pleasure of your company, today.
"See" you soon!
Stay scaly, now...

115 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:34:45am

re: #114 Floral Giraffe


G'nite, wavy walrus!

116 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:34:47am

re: #114 Floral Giraffe

Good night, Lizards!
Thank you for the pleasure of your company, today.
"See" you soon!
Stay scaly, now...

G'Nite, FG!

117 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:35:23am

re: #109 Pvt Bin Jammin

I'd just like the GOP to return to sound fiscal ideas that win elections. I think we'd be okay if we could turn the tide in Congress. The people are ready for fiscal messages. I really hope we don't squander this opportunity, not just for our party to win elections, but for the betterment of this country.

118 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:35:25am

re: #114 Floral Giraffe

Good night, Lizards!
Thank you for the pleasure of your company, today.
"See" you soon!
Stay scaly, now...

Goodnight, Floral.

119 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:36:27am

re: #112 Racer X

Hee hee!

I'm laughing too.

At your puddle.

Wee wee, mon sewer!

120 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:36:29am

re: #114 Floral Giraffe

Good night, Lizards!
Thank you for the pleasure of your company, today.
"See" you soon!
Stay scaly, now...

"Nite Floral Giraffe. Always good to have your company as well.

Think I'll be going as well.

'Nite Floral & all of the lizards. Take care.

121 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:37:37am

re: #120 Pvt Bin Jammin

"Nite Floral Giraffe. Always good to have your company as well.

Think I'll be going as well.

'Nite Floral & all of the lizards. Take care.

Goodnight, PVT.

122 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:37:49am

CHILDREN OF MEN: Unplanned lack of pregnancies leads to complications.

123 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:38:14am

re: #120 Pvt Bin Jammin


I swear to god it must be my deodorant or something...

124 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:38:20am

Bay Watch: opportunities abound for target audience to observe cleavage in both still and live action sequences involving something about a beach.

125 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:38:34am

G'nite PB&J!

126 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:38:40am

re: #113 Fenway_Nation

DUKES OF HAZARD: Hilbilly cousins mooch off of elderly relative, drive recklessly, taunt local government assert right to live untrammeled by the restrictions of oppressive government. WOLVERINES!.

heh.

127 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:39:18am

Change Your Point of View:

128 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:39:28am

re: #122 Fenway_Nation

CHILDREN OF MEN: Unplanned lack of pregnancies leads to complications.

Handmaid's Tale: Unplanned lack of pregnancies leads to complications.

129 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:40:11am

re: #124 Sharmuta

Common TV theme...

DALLAS: Oil wealth meets cleavage.

BEVERLY HILLS 90210: New wealth meets new cleavage.

130 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:40:24am

re: #124 Sharmuta

Bay Watch: opportunities abound for target audience to observe cleavage in both still and live action sequences involving something about a beach.


It had words or a plot?

///

you know I love you. :)

131 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:41:09am

re: #129 freetoken


BEVERLY HILLS 90210: New wealth meets new cleavage.

Nouveau riche meets nouveau niche?

132 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:41:34am

re: #130 iceweasel

I thought it was an accurate depiction of the program.

133 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:42:01am

THE LAST KING OF SCOTLAND: Med school grad thinks nothing can go wrong after being selected to work as infamous despot's personal physician.

134 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:42:10am

re: #117 Sharmuta

I'd just like the GOP to return to sound fiscal ideas that win elections. I think we'd be okay if we could turn the tide in Congress. The people are ready for fiscal messages. I really hope we don't squander this opportunity, not just for our party to win elections, but for the betterment of this country.

Abso f'n lutely.

Sometimes I feel so helpless being here in California. Hard for a real fiscal conservative to win. I don't have a lot of money but I would even donate something to a true blue candidate in another state if it would help the country get balanced out.

'Nite. I am fading fast.

I kinda get sad with the whole situation sometimes. Zombie fires me up.

135 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:43:48am

re: #132 Sharmuta

I thought it was an accurate depiction of the program.

You were spot on!

136 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:44:16am

Star Trek I - Federation captain in search of intergalactic flings -- or a wife --while engaging in many gun fights. Meets and creates platonic relationships with other life forms along the way.

137 Racer X  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:45:06am

2012:

I'm so glad we got rid of that nasty Sarah Palin! She would have been an awful vice president.

Gee, I sure wish we could do something about this 4 Trillion Dollar deficit. And maybe something about the $15 Trillion Dollar national debt.

But it sure is good we didn't end up with a strong woman who believes in fiscal responsibility and smaller government. To sit shotgun. Yessiree boy!

138 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:46:37am

re: #134 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good night. I'm still hopeful some fisc-cons will stand up by 2010.

139 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:46:41am

re: #131 iceweasel

Funny USC story?
Was in French class, teacher was trying to explain "nouveaux riche" & someone yelled out "Newport Beach". Broke up the room!
(Yes, I snuck back in...)

140 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:46:57am

re: #133 Fenway_Nation

THE LAST KING OF SCOTLAND: Med school grad thinks nothing can go wrong after being selected to work as infamous despot's personal physician..

Nothern Exposure: Med school grad thinks nothing can go wrong after being selected to work as infamous last outpost's personal physician.


(Shit, Shakespeare or whoever was right when he said there were only about 5 plots ever.)

141 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:47:43am

re: #139 Floral Giraffe

Funny USC story?
Was in French class, teacher was trying to explain "nouveaux riche" & someone yelled out "Newport Beach". Broke up the room!
(Yes, I snuck back in...)

That's hilarious!

142 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:48:01am

THE GLIMMER MAN: 92 Minutes of my life that I'm never getting back. Fuck you, Warner Brothers.

143 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:48:35am

re: #140 iceweasel

Classic "Fish out of water" plot.

144 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:49:23am

re: #142 Fenway_Nation

THE GLIMMER MAN: 92 Minutes of my life that I'm never getting back. Fuck you, Warner Brothers.

Do what I've done. Walk out. I've left a couple of movies before in theaters. Or stopped them on the DVD player.

145 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:50:09am

re: #141 iceweasel

I wish it was fiction...

146 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:50:14am

re: #144 Gus 802

That hasn't been a problem for me in the last 10 years.

147 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:51:36am

re: #146 Fenway_Nation

Me neither! Name your last movie theater film!
HAH!

148 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:51:49am

re: #143 BatGuano

Classic "Fish out of water" plot.

Very true. I liked NE a lot; I never watched it regularly though. I think it's on DVD now?

149 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:52:08am

re: #66 iceweasel

If I remember right, they're also penalising people who always pay on time.

Sure. They don't make any money on you if you don't carry a balance. They don't want you as a customer unless they can charge you interest. The ideal credit card customer, from the issuer's perspective, is one who pays only the minimum amount due every month and maintains a high balance subject to interest. This maximizes the bank's profits.

150 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:52:29am

re: #146 Fenway_Nation

That hasn't been a problem for me in the last 10 years.

Partial list:

The Royal Tenenbaums
A River Runs Through It
Pearl Harbor (With Ben Affect)
Great Raid

I know, some folks would like these moves.

151 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:53:26am

re: #144 Gus 802

Do what I've done. Walk out. I've left a couple of movies before in theaters. Or stopped them on the DVD player.

I finally started to do that, but only after I had some grey hair and had grown wiser.

152 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:53:32am

Deal or No Deal: average American spends an hour stressing about a brief case while lights, music, starlets and a bald Howie Mandell force fake drama down viewers throats.

153 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:53:39am

re: #148 iceweasel

Very true. I liked NE a lot; I never watched it regularly though. I think it's on DVD now?

Wierd. I was thinking about it today at work and was wondering if it was available on DVD. I must investigate.

154 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:53:49am

re: #147 Floral Giraffe

Me neither! Name your last movie theater film!
HAH!

So true. I can't handle theatres where I live now; everyone acts like they're in their living room at home. Talking very loudly, answering phones, having whole conversations.

I can't do it any more. If that makes me a snob, so be it.

155 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:54:31am

re: #151 freetoken

I finally started to do that, but only after I had some grey hair and had grown wiser.

Right. Used to piss off my ex-gf. Of course she would sit through anything.

156 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:55:12am

re: #147 Floral Giraffe

re: #146 Fenway_Nation

Me neither! Name your last movie theater film!
HAH!

A German import called Run Lola Run.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it alot. But when the credits started to roll, I realized Y'know what? This could be the last time I ever walk out of a theater feeling like I got my money's worth.

157 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:56:00am

re: #153 BatGuano

Wierd. I was thinking about it today at work and was wondering if it was available on DVD. I must investigate.

So funny-- I know some of it is available for illegal download now, just found that out the other day. :)

I think it is available on DVD, at least the first couple of seasons.

158 jvic  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:56:03am

re: #107 iceweasel

WTF?

Agreed.

I'd say more, except with perfect lucidity I just put two posts in the previous thread thinking it was this one. One being my two cents regarding you & Floral.

It's past time to log off. Take care, all.

159 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:57:08am

re: #156 Fenway_Nation

A German import called Run Lola Run.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it alot. But when the credits started to roll, I realized Y'know what? This could be the last time I ever walk out of a theater feeling like I got my money's worth.

Run Lola Run was worth the money. IMO.

160 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:58:00am

FANTASY ISLAND: God wears tailored whites with matching vest, teaching humans innumerable lessons.

161 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:58:41am

re: #160 freetoken

FANTASY ISLAND: God wears tailored whites with matching vest, teaching humans innumerable lessons.

Were the vest made of Corinthian leather?

162 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:59:41am

re: #159 iceweasel

It was- but it's only a matter of time before some no-talent Hollywood hack decides to 're-imagine' it now that they're running out of 70's sitcoms.

163 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:00:07am

re: #161 Gus 802

Were the vest made of Corinthian leather?

The image:

The reality:

164 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:00:19am

re: #137 Racer X

2012:

I'm so glad we got rid of that nasty Sarah Palin! She would have been an awful vice president.

Gee, I sure wish we could do something about this 4 Trillion Dollar deficit. And maybe something about the $15 Trillion Dollar national debt.

But it sure is good we didn't end up with a strong woman who believes in fiscal responsibility and smaller government. To sit shotgun. Yessiree boy!

This post makes me fucking angry because people ACTUALLY think like this. ARGH!!!

165 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:01:45am

re: #157 iceweasel

Thanks. I would never do an illegal download unless I was absolutely sure I could get away with it.

166 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:01:51am

re: #162 Fenway_Nation

It was- but it's only a matter of time before some no-talent Hollywood hack decides to 're-imagine' it now that they're running out of 70's sitcoms.

You're absolutely right.

Look at La Femme Nikita, remade as a (bad) American movie and then as a TV series I think.

167 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:03:24am

re: #163 gmsc

The image:

[Video]

Vosotros vamos a manejar el Corthoba. /

168 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:03:48am

re: #165 BatGuano

Thanks. I would never do an illegal download unless I was absolutely sure I could get away with it.

Hmmm, I might help you out with that, if you like. :)

But for Northern Exposure, I think Netflix might even have the DVDs of the first couple of seasons.

169 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:03:50am

HIGHER LEARNING: Must...apologize...for...being...caucasian

170 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:04:35am

Goodnight, FOR REAL! Lizards.
Stay the scaly & play nice!
Y'all are a pleasure & a treat in my life!
{silly hug}

171 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:04:42am

re: #167 Gus 802

Vosotros vamos a manejar el Corthoba. /

KAAAHN!

172 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:05:36am

re: #170 Floral Giraffe

Goodnight, FOR REAL! Lizards.
Stay the scaly & play nice!
Y'all are a pleasure & a treat in my life!
{silly hug}

G'Nite, again, FG!

173 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:05:38am

re: #171 gmsc

KAAAHN!

[Video]

Woot! That's funny.

174 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:06:51am

Seinfeld: 4 people doing nothing in particular.

/That one was easy.

175 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:08:06am

re: #171 gmsc

KAAAHN!

Doesn't he look like a contemporary aging rock star, in that movie?

176 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:09:34am

re: #175 BatGuano

Doesn't he look like a contemporary aging rock star, in that movie?

...or all of them.
;)

/Just think, Michael Jackson won't have to worry about that!

177 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:12:11am

re: #176 gmsc

...or all of them.
;)

/Just think, Michael Jackson won't have to worry about that!

Correct. He looks like all of them!

178 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:12:39am

re: #168 iceweasel

I like!

179 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:14:10am

re: #176 gmsc

Like Spinal Tap 25 years on.

180 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:14:11am

re: #178 BatGuano

I like!

Will do, beloved Bat. I'll get my email to you.

181 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:15:02am

re: #180 iceweasel

Alrighty, then!

182 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:17:20am

So it appears as if the latest conspiracy story about President Obama is that he was booed loudly at the all-star game... but it was edited out, either for television, but maybe even in the park (over the loudspeaker.)

I kid you not, that is the hot story going around the NutO'Sphere this morning.

183 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:17:35am

re: #154 iceweasel

So true. I can't handle theatres where I live now; everyone acts like they're in their living room at home. Talking very loudly, answering phones, having whole conversations.

I can't do it any more. If that makes me a snob, so be it.

I run a 136 seat professional live theatre. Intimate and close up and personal. Performing area is at floor level, with a 2 foot high "knee wall" surrounding three sides. Theatre is 3/4 "round." There is a entrance, an opening, in the knee wall at stage left and right.

We have people walk right across the stage (24 feet wide) to get to seats on the other side of the room. We even have a sign at each knee wall opening "Please do not cross the stage." Doesn't help, some people cross anyway.

Last Friday night, after intermission, a guy is on audience right, talking to a friend. House lights go to half, out, pre-art warmer lights starts to go to black, HE DECIDES IT"S TIME TO SIT DOWN, HEADS ACROSS THE STAGE TO THE OTHER SIDE. In the dark, he collides with two actors getting into places. Lights come up, two actors are not yet in place.

People clip finger nails in their seats, spill drinks (yes we serve booze and they can take it to their seats, I find gum on the carpet (yes, these are adults), people who bring leftovers from supper to their seats in their handbags and eat during a performance... and I could go on forever.

It's amazing.

184 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:22:03am

re: #182 freetoken

So it appears as if the latest conspiracy story about President Obama is that he was booed loudly at the all-star game... but it was edited out, either for television, but maybe even in the park (over the loudspeaker.)

I kid you not, that is the hot story going around the NutO'Sphere this morning.

They should have booed the guy doing the FOX camera directing.

185 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:23:11am

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

Did anyone beat the shit out of the ***hole who ran into the actors?

186 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:23:31am

re: #182 freetoken

So it appears as if the latest conspiracy story about President Obama is that he was booed loudly at the all-star game... but it was edited out, either for television, but maybe even in the park (over the loudspeaker.)

I kid you not, that is the hot story going around the NutO'Sphere this morning.

Should I set a certain typo counter to stand-by for maximum overload?

187 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:25:46am

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

I run a 136 seat professional live theatre. Intimate and close up and personal. Performing area is at floor level, with a 2 foot high "knee wall" surrounding three sides. Theatre is 3/4 "round." There is a entrance, an opening, in the knee wall at stage left and right.

We have people walk right across the stage (24 feet wide) to get to seats on the other side of the room. We even have a sign at each knee wall opening "Please do not cross the stage." Doesn't help, some people cross anyway.

Last Friday night, after intermission, a guy is on audience right, talking to a friend. House lights go to half, out, pre-art warmer lights starts to go to black, HE DECIDES IT"S TIME TO SIT DOWN, HEADS ACROSS THE STAGE TO THE OTHER SIDE. In the dark, he collides with two actors getting into places. Lights come up, two actors are not yet in place.

People clip finger nails in their seats, spill drinks (yes we serve booze and they can take it to their seats, I find gum on the carpet (yes, these are adults), people who bring leftovers from supper to their seats in their handbags and eat during a performance... and I could go on forever.

It's amazing.

Walter, i'm shocked, but sadly not surprised.

What's really amazing is that in general live theatre audiences are going to be more polite than those at the local dodecaplex to see a blockbuster film. Aren't they? People who are bothering to go to live theatre (and you would know and have all the stats on it) trend higher in terms of income, education, etc.

Yet even in live theatre I see appalling behaviour from some audience members, shocking, utterly insulting to the artists performing and also to the other audience members.

188 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:28:10am

re: #185 BatGuano

Did anyone beat the shit out of the ***hole who ran into the actors?

Nope, and we have a producer who takes the "customer is always right" mantra to the extreme.

3 weeks ago, I had a Equity card holding actor cross the stage, before the show started, and I was on the floor helping seat people. I stopped him halfway across the stage and asked him not to cross the stage. He continued on.

10 minutes later he walks into MY CONTROL BOOTH, and starts yelling at me for embarrassing him in public. I finally told him my name and said "speak to the producers with your concerns."

I got in trouble for not "defusing" the situation. He got free tickets to a future show.

189 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:28:32am

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

Reminds me of apartment tenants. They expect other people to clean up after them for the most part. I know even in movie theaters I would always take the cup back with me and toss it in the trash -- it's easy to do and the right thing to do. I won't even get into the chewing loudly bologna one gets or the wrappers and crunching sounds.

190 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:29:15am

re: #186 Sharmuta

Should I set a certain typo counter to stand-by for maximum overload?

191 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:30:05am

re: #190 freetoken

I dearly wish I knew what character that was.

192 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:31:01am

re: #188 Walter L. Newton


3 weeks ago, I had a Equity card holding actor cross the stage, before the show started, and I was on the floor helping seat people. I stopped him halfway across the stage and asked him not to cross the stage. He continued on.

10 minutes later he walks into MY CONTROL BOOTH, and starts yelling at me for embarrassing him in public.

This guy obviously has an ego way larger than his penis, and demands that his ego to be stroked and massaged at all times.

193 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:31:45am

re: #187 iceweasel

Walter, i'm shocked, but sadly not surprised.

What's really amazing is that in general live theatre audiences are going to be more polite than those at the local dodecaplex to see a blockbuster film. Aren't they? People who are bothering to go to live theatre (and you would know and have all the stats on it) trend higher in terms of income, education, etc.

Yet even in live theatre I see appalling behaviour from some audience members, shocking, utterly insulting to the artists performing and also to the other audience members.

It's the "entitlement" mentality. And I am not talking left or right politics here, but I am talking about the marketing of the "everything revolves around me" sort of lifestyle.

And it's not just young people. Some of my worst problems are people over 50-60.

194 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:31:47am

EXIT TO EDEN: Rosie O'Donnel in S&M gear. What could possibly go wrong?

195 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:34:07am

PRESS YOUR LUCK: 1980s game show runs "random" board off of a Commodore 64, and a player figures out the sequence. What could go wrong?

196 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:34:47am

re: #194 Fenway_Nation

EXIT TO EDEN: Rosie O'Donnel in S&M gear. What could possibly go wrong?

A leather strap breaks.

197 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:35:21am

re: #188 Walter L. Newton

I work in the service industry and I am familiar with that "customer is always right" attitude. What these poltroons fail to realize is that other customers would love to see these disruptors strung up by balls. I think dedicated, professional service providers are always right.

198 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:36:03am

re: #193 Walter L. Newton

It's the "entitlement" mentality. And I am not talking left or right politics here, but I am talking about the marketing of the "everything revolves around me" sort of lifestyle.

And it's not just young people. Some of my worst problems are people over 50-60.

"Leave no trace" is a concept they never understood. They're clueless.

199 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:38:53am

re: #191 Sharmuta

I dearly wish I knew what character that was.

In regular ASCII, it would look like "??"

200 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:40:09am

re: #197 BatGuano

I work in the service industry and I am familiar with that "customer is always right" attitude. What these poltroons fail to realize is that other customers would love to see these disruptors strung up by balls. I think dedicated, professional service providers are always right.

I agree. The theatre critic for the Denver Post did an article about 2 months ago, on this very subject. And he pointed out that a big part of the problem is producers/managers who encourage patrons to behave badly because they never put their foot down and attempt to stop bad behavior.

Of course, my producer saw the article as crap. Of course, my producer is very guilty of managing our patrons in the very way that the theatre reporter was pointing out as being problematic.

201 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:43:31am

I guess I pissed off all the "patrons" here?

202 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:43:55am

Ok, night.

203 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:44:01am

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

I guess I pissed off all the "patrons" here?

Here? No. What theater was this?

204 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:44:20am

re: #203 Gus 802

Theater of the abusrd?

/

205 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:44:27am

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

I guess I pissed off all the "patrons" here?

Nope - I was off taking care of a few other things.

206 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:44:55am

re: #204 Fenway_Nation

Theater of the abusrd?

/

Cafe Absurdio!

With puppets!

//

207 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:46:32am

Thumbing through a list of the 50 Worst Sex Scenes in another window, Walter.

Feel free to peruse and discuss

208 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:46:44am

re: #200 Walter L. Newton

Back when the movie The 13th Warrior was current some asshole was talking back to the screen. Two ushers came out and quickly put an end to it. I was close enough to hear the word "removed". He STFU. Had they not done that I would not have returned to that theater.

209 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:48:56am

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

I guess I pissed off all the "patrons" here?

Not me. I read signs, sit quietly and do not become part of the production. :)

210 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:49:27am

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

I guess I pissed off all the "patrons" here?

No- the LNDT is slow. That's just how we roll overnight, yo.

211 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:49:48am

re: #210 Sharmuta


Smurfside...

212 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:50:00am

re: #200 Walter L. Newton

I agree. The theatre critic for the Denver Post did an article about 2 months ago, on this very subject. And he pointed out that a big part of the problem is producers/managers who encourage patrons to behave badly because they never put their foot down and attempt to stop bad behavior.

Of course, my producer saw the article as crap. Of course, my producer is very guilty of managing our patrons in the very way that the theatre reporter was pointing out as being problematic.

I think we used to call that the SSS - "Spayshul Snowflake Syndrome".

213 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:51:36am

re: #210 Sharmuta

No- the LNDT is slow. That's just how we roll overnight, yo.

Morticia, I love it when you speak Gangsta'. :)

214 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:53:01am

re: #213 BatGuano

Morticia, I love it when you speak Gangsta'. :)

215 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:54:44am

re: #214 gmsc

Brilliant! A marriage of the Addams Family and Tom Lehrer.

216 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:55:03am

Roll...stagger...what's the diff? It's all exercise! ;-)

217 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:55:39am

Heya LoL...

/hope I can make it to fruicup

218 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:55:57am

re: #216 littleoldlady

Roll...stagger...what's the diff? It's all exercise! ;-)

Good evening, littleoldlady!

219 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:57:42am

re: #217 Fenway_Nation

Goodness! 4 minutes? Come on...you can do it, Fenway!

Who won the game last night?

220 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:58:45am

Wonder how well a 're-imagined' urban version of the smurfs would go down.

[like thumbtacks in a champagne glass?]

Papa surf could be pimpy-daddy smurf

221 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:58:58am

re: #216 littleoldlady

Roll...stagger...what's the diff? It's all exercise! ;-)

Hi littleoldlady. Can I have extra Maraschino cherries? No? Never mind. :)

222 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:58:59am

gmsc! :-)

I have to ask you a question that I know I asked you before but I forget the answer...

To sign up for an RSS feed...do I need special software?

223 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 1:59:46am

re: #219 littleoldlady

Well...I'm supposed to be up 'early' (altho technically I am up early)...

Yet I still feel compelled to visit the LNDT

224 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:00:32am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

225 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:01:06am

re: #224 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

Thank you, Lovely Lady!

226 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:01:08am

re: #223 Fenway_Nation

Well...I'm supposed to be up 'early' (altho technically I am up early)...

Yet I still feel compelled to visit the LNDT

Good decision. Wondrous strange things happen here.

227 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:01:15am

re: #224 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

Yay! Made it...hate to fruitcup 'n fun, but I gotta get up in a few hours.

228 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:01:18am

BatGuano! :-)

Those arrows take longer to make... :-/

229 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:01:35am

re: #226 BatGuano

Despite my presence

/

230 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:01:43am

re: #224 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

Thank you littleoldlady!

231 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:01:47am

Sharmuta! :-) :-) :-)

232 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:02:01am

re: #224 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

Thank you.

233 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:02:09am

Fenway,

Got job?

234 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:02:23am

Hiya, Gus! :-)

235 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:02:36am

re: #213 BatGuano

Morticia, I love it when you speak Gangsta'. :)

You feelin' me, Homes?

236 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:02:47am

re: #233 littleoldlady

Temp job...in like, 6 hrs.

237 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:02:59am

re: #234 littleoldlady

Hiya, Gus! :-)

=)

238 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:03:23am

re: #236 Fenway_Nation

YAY! :-) and best of luck!

239 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:04:27am

re: #238 littleoldlady

Thanks...I've actually had this gig for awhile, but it's a couple of times a week max.

Tanks again for the fruitcup!

G'nite!

240 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:04:38am

re: #222 littleoldlady

gmsc! :-)

I have to ask you a question that I know I asked you before but I forget the answer...

To sign up for an RSS feed...do I need special software?

All you need is a type of program called an "RSS Reader" (usually they're free, unless they offer some extremely unique features).

First, check the manual/help section for your browser. Many modern browsers can read RSS feeds as a built-in feature, or you can easily add a plug-in.

There are also many sites (Bloglines/Excite MIX/fwicki/Google Reader - Homepage/Netvibes/Newsalloy/Newsgator/Rojo to name just a few) that will help keep you up to date on your favorite sites.

How do you want to be able to read your RSS feeds? In a browser? In a separate program? Go to a dedicated website?

RSS Feeds are pretty simple to read, but you do need a way to read them that suits your needs best.

241 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:04:51am

er...thanks again

242 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:05:00am

re: #224 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

Thanks! Yummy! RSS Fruitcup!
;)

243 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:08:16am

re: #164 TheMatrix31

This post makes me fucking angry because people ACTUALLY think like this. ARGH!!!

Damn straight.

244 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:08:19am

re: #240 gmsc

Does Firefox have a plug in? I don't want them to be too obtrusive since I usually have enough happening on the screen (to give me a headache ;-)

What would be my best option in that case? On a dedicated website?

245 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:08:35am

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

I guess I pissed off all the "patrons" here?

Sorry Walter-- I was composing a response to you and it's in agreement with you, just had some other things to do at the same time! Just got back.

246 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:08:39am

re: #222 littleoldlady

gmsc! :-)

I have to ask you a question that I know I asked you before but I forget the answer...

To sign up for an RSS feed...do I need special software?

Here's a more detailed response to your RSS question.

247 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:08:49am

re: #241 Fenway_Nation

Tanks is good, too. :-)

248 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:09:02am

Woo hoo!

Bloomberg Slams Clinton: She Stabbed NYC In Back

Hillary Clinton was accused Monday of stabbing the Big Apple in the back.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg said her betrayal has cost the city $260 million in lost tax revenues and counting.

It didn't take long for Clinton to double cross New York City. Six months into her tenure as secretary of state she has suddenly exempted diplomats from paying some property taxes here.

"It is totally unfair," Bloomberg said.

The mayor said it's not only a double cross but a double flip flop. As New York's junior senator, Clinton fought to make diplomats pay up. And he said her reversal changes a longstanding policy.

"Since 1873 they've been saying this is taxable," Bloomberg said...

I love it when Democrats fight with each other. No wait. Is Bloomberg a Democrat?

249 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:09:45am

//

250 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:12:10am

re: #243 laZardo

Damn straight.

laZardo! Hey!

Can we really look at comments on a deviantart thread as representing anything other than, well, some comments there?

Don't get me wrong, I love DA, just not for the comments.

251 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:13:16am

re: #248 Gus 802

Woo hoo!

Bloomberg Slams Clinton: She Stabbed NYC In Back

I love it when Democrats fight with each other. No wait. Is Bloomberg a Democrat?

exactly.

252 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:14:22am

re: #246 gmsc

Okay. Got it. THANK YOU! :-)

Google reader looks pretty simple...

253 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:14:29am

re: #251 iceweasel

exactly.

Well I didn't want to use the "R word." ;)

//'INO

/

254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:14:53am

heh...

Obama throws like a sissy.

255 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:15:22am

Who won the game last night?

256 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:16:22am

re: #255 littleoldlady

Obama.

257 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:16:52am
258 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:17:32am

re: #252 littleoldlady

Okay. Got it. THANK YOU! :-)

Google reader looks pretty simple...

Google reader is great for aggregating and reading RSS feeds, IMO. Hope you like it!

259 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:17:43am

re: #235 Sharmuta

You feelin' me, Homes?

(In low voice) Oh, you know it, Baby.

260 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:17:46am

re: #256 BatGuano

Obama.

Of course. I should have known that!

/slaps forehead

261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:18:17am

Camera caught the throw from TOTUS... did not show where/how it landed. How odd.

262 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:18:19am

re: #252 littleoldlady

Okay. Got it. THANK YOU! :-)

Google reader looks pretty simple...

Yep - and it's easy to keep organized.

263 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:18:46am

re: #258 iceweasel

iceweasel! :-)

I like pretty much anything I can figure out how to use!

/there's limits... ;-)

264 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:19:29am

re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Camera caught the throw from TOTUS... did not show where/how it landed. How odd.

Was he aiming at Rush Limbaugh?

//...'cause that would explain it

265 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:19:47am

re: #252 littleoldlady

Okay. Got it. THANK YOU! :-)

Google reader looks pretty simple...

You're welcome.

BTW, if you have Google Homepage set up as your page, you can see your links when you start up!

(Of course, you could just set your Google Reader page up as your homepage on your browser, too...)

266 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:20:08am

re: #257 laZardo

S'okay. Here's the original thread on the Political Forum.

There was a certain graphics or 3D related website that I was visiting for a while there. I got tired of the politics right away and stopped posting there. It was mentioned a great deal in the general discussion threads but filtered down into the other posts. I never got involved but I didn't want to deal with that. It leant towards the goofy Greenie side.

267 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:20:47am

I would serve littleoldlady brand Fruitcup™ to my family and friends.

268 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:22:22am

re: #265 gmsc

Or I can just keep (yet another) firefox page opened to use it, right?

269 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:22:39am

re: #267 Sharmuta

I would serve littleoldlady brand Fruitcup™ to my family and friends.

"The preceding was an unsolicited testimonial from a satisified customer: you're results may vary".

270 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:22:44am

THE WALTONS: What families did before cable television.

ALL IN THE FAMILY: What families did before stated-income home loans.

271 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:22:58am

Oh dear. Some more Sanford embarrassment.

(Not him, but righty news outlets emailing the Gov office while he was missing)

Don't want to post it unless people are interested.

Let me say just this: Ouch.

272 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:23:46am

re: #271 iceweasel

Post it!

273 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:23:47am

re: #271 iceweasel

Give it to us straight, no ice.

274 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:24:20am

re: #273 freetoken

Give it to us straight, no ice.

Shaken, not stirred.

275 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:24:43am

re: #274 BatGuano

Shaken, not stirred.

Straight no chaser.

276 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:24:53am

re: #267 Sharmuta

I would serve littleoldlady brand Fruitcup™ to my family and friends.

Maybe I should franchise...?

;-)

277 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:25:18am

re: #268 littleoldlady

Or I can just keep (yet another) firefox page opened to use it, right?

Yep!

One thing I like about Safari is that, if you put any RSS feeds in the toolbar, a number (indicating the number of new items) will display next to any feed that has updated information since you last looked at it.

When you click on it, you read it right in the browser.

278 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:27:11am

Ok -- link is to TPMmuckraker, but they have the link-thru to The State (local SC paper breaking everything)

Great Call: In Emails To Sanford's Office, Right-Wing Media Dismissed Missing Gov Story

The State newspaper of South Carolina has used a public records request to obtain emails sent to and from Governor Mark Sanford's office during the hectic few days last month when he had gone missing. It's not surprising that the emails underline the utter confusion that beset the governor's hapless aides as they tried to ward off inquiries about their boss's whereabouts, without themselves having any idea where he was.

But they also show something even funnier: an effort by the right-wing media to curry favor with Sanford's office by dismissing the story as a storm in a teacup created by the liberal media. It's fair to say that, as news judgments go, it would be hard to find one that turned out worse than this -- given the subsequent revelations about Sanford's Argentinian liaison and his abandonment of his post.

Let's look at the details:

In an email to Sanford press secretary Joel Sawyer, Brendan Miniter, an editor of the Wall Street Journal's OpinionJournal.com, called out his own paper's first-day coverage (sub. req.) of the story, writing: "Someone at WSJ should be fired for today's story. Ridiculous."

On June 23rd -- by which time Sanford had been missing for five days and his staff had offered unconvincing explanations about his whereabouts -- a Fox News Channel correspondent wrote to Sawyer:

Having known the Governor for years and even worked with him when he would host radio shows for me -- I find this story and the media frenzy surrounding it to be absolutely ridiculous! Please give him my best.

And a Washington Times staffer at one point wrote in an email to the governor's office:

If you all want to speak on this publicly, you're welcome to Washington Times Radio. You know that you will be on friendly ground here!

279 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:28:39am

Best email to Sanford: Stephen Colbert's:

As you may know, I declared myself Governor of South Carolina last night. I went power mad for abut 40 seconds before learning that Gov. Sanford was returning today.

If the governor is looking for a friendly place to make light of what I think is a small story that got blown out of scale I would be happy to have him on. In person here, on the phone, or in South Carolina.

Stay strong, Stephen

280 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:30:43am

re: #278 iceweasel

Ok -- link is to TPMmuckraker, but they have the link-thru to The State (local SC paper breaking everything)

Great Call: In Emails To Sanford's Office, Right-Wing Media Dismissed Missing Gov Story

Thanks. You teased that like Mark Antony teased Caesar's will. You're good. :)

281 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:31:44am

re: #278 iceweasel

That's it?

Not much there. Sounds like typical TPM trying to make something out of nothing -- it's a lot like insider gossip.

282 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:31:50am

re: #280 BatGuano

Thanks. You teased that like Mark Antony teased Caesar's will. You're good. :)

hey, it's the late night drinking thread. I gotta do my part to keep spirits up. :)

Yes, spirits. Hmmm...

283 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:32:10am

re: #277 gmsc

I guess I'll have to see how much I actually use it. NATURALLY, now I forget which website I was visiting where I considered signing up for the RSS feed. I remembered asking you about it before, though.

/silver lining
//only HALF my memory is gone
///HALFZEIMERS™

284 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:32:24am

I see that the SensuousCurmudgeon herself became a lizard during yesterday's open registration, and posted a note of such on the last thread in which she is a topic (see Monday afternoon.)

285 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:32:52am

re: #283 littleoldlady

I guess I'll have to see how much I actually use it. NATURALLY, now I forget which website I was visiting where I considered signing up for the RSS feed. I remembered asking you about it before, though.

/silver lining
//only HALF my memory is gone
///HALFZEIMERS™

You'll do fine - just make sure to bookmark it!

286 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:33:15am

re: #281 Gus 802

That's it?

Not much there. Sounds like typical TPM trying to make something out of nothing -- it's a lot like insider gossip.

hee. I assumed people had already seen it.

It isn't really news, and is only mildly funny in terms of how eager the Moonie Times was to fellate him.

And again, it's the Moonie Times. No shock.

287 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:33:23am

re: #282 iceweasel

hey, it's the late night drinking thread. I gotta do my part to keep spirits up. :)

Yes, spirits. Hmmm...

That's the spirit (s)!

288 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:33:38am

'Many dead' in Iranian air crash

An Iranian passenger plane carrying 150 people has crashed in the north of the country, Irna state news agency says.

An Iranian official said the plane broke into pieces and all those on board are feared dead.

The plane, reportedly a Tupolev, came down in the Takestan region of Qazvin province, state television said.

The aircraft was travelling to Yerevan in Armenia, from the Iranian capital, Tehran, when it crashed, Iranian media reports say.

289 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:33:44am

re: #284 freetoken

I see that the SensuousCurmudgeon herself became a lizard during yesterday's open registration, and posted a note of such on the last thread in which she is a topic (see Monday afternoon.)

Interesting.

290 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:35:00am

re: #286 iceweasel

hee. I assumed people had already seen it.

It isn't really news, and is only mildly funny in terms of how eager the Moonie Times was to fellate him.

And again, it's the Moonie Times. No shock.

I have to admit that the Washington Times gets weird sometimes. I like the WSJ. Fox varies. Honestly though I'm starting to thing that we might need to re-adjust our thinking regarding these marital forays but that's just me.

291 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:35:14am

re: #276 littleoldlady

Maybe I should franchise...?

;-)

That's where the money's at.

292 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:38:27am

re: #291 Sharmuta

Sign me up!

293 gmsc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:39:30am

I'm wearing down, but the fruitcup is helping me rest.

Good night, all!

294 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:40:03am

re: #293 gmsc

I'm wearing down, but the fruitcup is helping me rest.

Good night, all!

Goodnight, gmsc!

295 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:40:40am

re: #290 Gus 802

I have to admit that the Washington Times gets weird sometimes. I like the WSJ. Fox varies. Honestly though I'm starting to thing that we might need to re-adjust our thinking regarding these marital forays but that's just me.

Washington Times is awful; they've been busted in too many lies for me to take them seriously any more. I look at them, but with a very large grain of salt.

I'll always look at the WSJ and even occasionally Fox, although I'm in that demographic that calls Fox Faux,

We have to take info where we find it; some places that we 'don't like' sometimes have good info and can be right.

I'd agree that thinking needs to be adjusted on both sides of the aisle about this.

296 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:40:55am

re: #293 gmsc

I'm wearing down, but the fruitcup is helping me rest.

Good night, all!

Go ahead! Just leave!

//

Later GMSC.

297 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:40:57am

'Night, gmsc! :-) Thanks again for your (always wonderful) advice!

298 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:44:36am

re: #293 gmsc

Bye!

299 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:45:31am

re: #295 iceweasel

Washington Times is awful; they've been busted in too many lies for me to take them seriously any more. I look at them, but with a very large grain of salt.

I'll always look at the WSJ and even occasionally Fox, although I'm in that demographic that calls Fox Faux,

We have to take info where we find it; some places that we 'don't like' sometimes have good info and can be right.

I'd agree that thinking needs to be adjusted on both sides of the aisle about this.

News should be like a scientific observation. You state what happened and avoid the commentary or the slant. That's difficult to find these days and in one form or another it will be slanted to one side or another. However, I do notice that people tend to confuse commentary for news quite often these days. Commentary or editorialization is not news. Blogs can reflect news but the same applies regarding the lack of "opinion." Opinion thus is not news. Etc.

300 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:48:31am

Ice, as Lee Rogers of San Francisco's KSFO says, "Never fall in love with a politician; They'll break you heart every time.".

301 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:53:08am

Crash of an airplane (Caspian airlines) in Iran. 168 dead. :(

302 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:53:19am

re: #299 Gus 802

News should be like a scientific observation. You state what happened and avoid the commentary or the slant. That's difficult to find these days and in one form or another it will be slanted to one side or another. However, I do notice that people tend to confuse commentary for news quite often these days. Commentary or editorialization is not news. Blogs can reflect news but the same applies regarding the lack of "opinion." Opinion thus is not news. Etc.

True. There are at least two problems going on: one at the consumer level, where people take in 'news' and don't realise when it's commentary or opinion, not news. (I mean the problem that occurs when people just don't see or hear the difference, not the problem of spin.)

The second problem is the producers-- the one occurring at the media level, where stuff is slanted or biased or spun, reported or not reported.

Some of the 'taking commentary as news' problem is the fault of the producers. But the vast majority of consumers seems blind to it. I see this on the left and right both-- commentary or opinion is quoted as fact. Why? I think the fault might go back to the education system, frankly.

303 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:55:02am

re: #301 BatGuano

I can expect a "shot down" conspiracy to start circling local media down there...

304 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:55:45am

re: #300 BatGuano

Ice, as Lee Rogers of San Francisco's KSFO says, "Never fall in love with a politician; They'll break you heart every time.".

So true!

Fortunately, I've never been so naive as to fall in love with a politician. Maybe that makes me a cynic.

305 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 2:55:58am

re: #303 laZardo

I can expect a "shot down" conspiracy to start circling local media down there...

God, I hope not.

306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:00:01am

re: #301 BatGuano

Sad.

307 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:00:02am

re: #304 iceweasel

So true!

Fortunately, I've never been so naive as to fall in love with a politician. Maybe that makes me a cynic.

I disagreed with RR on occasion, but I kinda had a man crush on him. :)

308 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:02:01am

re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sad.

Yes, very sad. Innocent life lost.

309 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:04:03am

re: #302 iceweasel

True. There are at least two problems going on: one at the consumer level, where people take in 'news' and don't realise when it's commentary or opinion, not news. (I mean the problem that occurs when people just don't see or hear the difference, not the problem of spin.)

The second problem is the producers-- the one occurring at the media level, where stuff is slanted or biased or spun, reported or not reported.

Some of the 'taking commentary as news' problem is the fault of the producers. But the vast majority of consumers seems blind to it. I see this on the left and right both-- commentary or opinion is quoted as fact. Why? I think the fault might go back to the education system, frankly.

True, but as you know it's all usually prefaced by the title of "opinion." It's difficult to gauge new outlets based on opinions. Do we gauge them based on opinion or news? I think that's what you meant though. It's a matter of removing yourself from your own opinions or ideology. That's what's makes a good reporter. You report even if it means you're reporting on your side losing so to speak.

310 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:04:53am

Morning Lizards.

311 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:05:45am

OT: Has this been mentioned yet?



Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies

A Maryland company under contract to the Pentagon is working on a steam-powered robot that would fuel itself by gobbling up whatever organic material it can find — grass, wood, old furniture, even dead bodies.

Robotic Technology Inc.'s Energetically Autonomous Tactical Robot — that's right, "EATR" — "can find, ingest, and extract energy from biomass in the environment (and other organically-based energy sources), as well as use conventional and alternative fuels (such as gasoline, heavy fuel, kerosene, diesel, propane, coal, cooking oil, and solar) when suitable," reads the company's Web site.

That "biomass" and "other organically-based energy sources" wouldn't necessarily be limited to plant material — animal and human corpses contain plenty of energy, and they'd be plentiful in a war zone.

312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:06:19am

re: #307 BatGuano

I've told stories about why I decided to vote for Ronald Reagan in 1980.

It just recently occurred to me that the first time I ever voted? Voted against Reagan. I voted Anderson for POTUS. I had just turned 18...

Since then...I would have voted for RR every single time I had an opportunity.

There. Conscience is clear, and it is 6am, so very few lizards will read my confession. bwa-ha.

313 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:06:43am

re: #310 rightside

Evening RS.

314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:06:56am

re: #308 BatGuano

Was "short shit" on the plane?

(silver lining)

315 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:07:17am

re: #310 rightside

Morning Lizards.

Good morning, rightside!

316 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:07:47am

re: #312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Only voted in two elections... 2008 Presidential (absentee) and 2005 California Special. Haven't picked a winner yet, so I must be a jinx. ;q

317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:09:15am

re: #316 laZardo

If you lived in the states, were my age, and said the same thing... I'd give you a virtual slap. But, you'll vote enough in your lifetime.

318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:10:57am

re: #316 laZardo

2005 Special? Gov? You voted for Gary Coleman?

319 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:11:57am

re: #312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've told stories about why I decided to vote for Ronald Reagan in 1980.

It just recently occurred to me that the first time I ever voted? Voted against Reagan. I voted Anderson for POTUS. I had just turned 18...

Since then...I would have voted for RR every single time I had an opportunity.

There. Conscience is clear, and it is 6am, so very few lizards will read my confession. bwa-ha.

The first time I voted for President was '76. I was a Democrat and I wrote in Eugene McCarthy. I switched parties so I could vote fro RR in the California primaries (and the general elections) in 1980. Never looked back.

320 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:13:17am

re: #312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


It just recently occurred to me that the first time I ever voted? Voted against Reagan. I voted Anderson for POTUS.

I just fell in love a little.

I whipped up my elementary school grade into voting for Anderson in our mock election. I knew nothing at all about Anderson except that the Weekly Reader told us he was the only candidate that supported the ERA, and all I knew about that was that it said women were people too.

BTW, my parents were v conservative, as were my classmates' parents. I managed to get our class and our grade to vote overwhelmingly for Anderson, but of course the school went for Reagan.

There, that's my political confession. Probably the first time I cared about politics at all, and I was under ten. Always an agitator though. :)

321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:13:37am

re: #319 BatGuano

Me? Anderson, Reagan, Bush, Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush, and... and... Oh, what was that last Republican's name?

322 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:14:21am

re: #318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nah, the one that only had 8 initiatives on it.

/would have voted Gary Coleman though, just for kicks.

323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:14:44am

re: #320 iceweasel

As long as it was just "a little".

:0

324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:15:34am

re: #322 laZardo

I think I would have too...

325 Gus  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:15:49am
326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:16:23am

Shouldn't there be a much harsher sounding word for insomnia... Could've gotten up at 11am... up at five... it sucks.

327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:17:28am

re: #320 iceweasel

I always pretended to be a lib for my kids, knowing that just to piss me off they'd be conservatives.

Didn't work.

Shit.

328 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:18:19am

re: #321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Me? Anderson, Reagan, Bush, Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush, and... and... Oh, what was that last Republican's name?

Trying to forget. RNC needs to correct that. They won't.

329 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:19:06am

re: #327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I always pretended to be a lib for my kids, knowing that just to piss me off they'd be conservatives.

Didn't work.

Shit.

That's hilarious. :)

Hey, have you ever taken melatonin? It's the only thing that works for me when I have insomnia, and it works phenomenally well. I use it to regulate my body clock when I change time zones too.

330 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:20:38am

re: #327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My little brother is one of those liberals that stands against firmer gun control. Must be all of those gunslinging animes he likes to watch. q;

331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:21:29am

re: #329 iceweasel

Took one last night... don't know what the hells going on.

Been very busy (12 hour minimum) days... but, worried about money. Wake up (for whatever reasons) and immediately start thinking...then... it's over.

I'm sleeping fine... just waking up and keying up...

332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:24:44am

I'm going to go and put a hurtin' on the hotel breakfast bar.

333 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:26:59am

re: #331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Took one last night... don't know what the hells going on.

Been very busy (12 hour minimum) days... but, worried about money. Wake up (for whatever reasons) and immediately start thinking...then... it's over.

I'm sleeping fine... just waking up and keying up...

I do that too-- the waking up. It's an anxiety issue.

What dosage of melatonin are you taking? You don't have to tell me, but google and you'll see that it's safe to take more than you're probably taking.

Every other 'sleep aid' makes me sleep heavily and then be wide awake after 4 hours or so. I don't like taking any pills to begin with, for that matter.

I'd suggest looking at your melatonin dosage and possibly upping it, but only if you can sleep for a full 8 hours when you take it. :(

334 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:27:36am

re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm going to go and put a hurtin' on the hotel breakfast bar.

Eat some bacon for me!

335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:36:16am

re: #333 iceweasel

take one pill...3mg... normally it works fine for me. does increasing the dosage help?

I took one of my wife's prescription sleeping pills the other night (notice, I have an alias) didn't do shit.

336 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:41:49am

re: #335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

take one pill...3mg... normally it works fine for me. does increasing the dosage help?

I took one of my wife's prescription sleeping pills the other night (notice, I have an alias) didn't do shit.

Google melatonin and dosages; you could certainly up it, take two or one and a half. It's often taken in much higher dosages in the US.

You do have to take it and go to bed though-- no reading in bed or watching TV. All it does is kickstart your normal sleep hormones. You'll feel sleepy, but if you stay up (by reading or something) you'll miss the wave. It kicks in about 15-20 minutes after taking it (as I'm sure you know).

Prescription sleep aids do nothing for me at all and usually make me wake up completely after 3 hours. They're worse for me than taking nothing.

337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:43:09am

re: #336 iceweasel

I loves the 'tonin!

338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:45:20am

What good is 4oz of yogurt? Hell, they're packaging it now in shot glasses!

339 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:46:31am

re: #337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I loves the 'tonin!

Mama 'Tonin said knock you out!

340 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 3:56:12am

re: #311 iceweasel

Robots that eat people. What could go wrong?

341 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:01:10am

re: #340 Pullus Iulius

Robots that eat people. What could go wrong?

Exactly!

And they come with these nifty manuals we can't read, but the title is "To Serve Man"...

342 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:06:49am

Just saw a very funny (nonsense, but funny as hell) post on Facebook. Wanted to share...

I have packed the car, loaded the weapon, and pulled on an extra-absorbent Depends so that i don't have to make bathroom stops on the way to kill you.

343 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:09:21am

re: #341 iceweasel

wonder do we have a standing rib or just BBQ ribs?

344 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:11:40am

re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

gay fressen

345 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:11:58am

Gosh, where do I begin this morning? Healthcare will now be a right? Was I unconscious when they passed that amendment to the constitution?

Big thanks to all that voted for this.

346 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:12:48am

Good morning.

The futures are pointing to the market opening on the upside today.


Since we are becoming more and more like France under Obama, let's take a peek at how things are going over there:

French Workers Threaten to Blow Up Nortel Factory


Workers at the French arm of telecommunications manufacturer Nortel have threatened to blow up their factory unless they secure decent layoff terms, but gas cylinders placed around the plant were empty, a newspaper said.

French daily Le Parisien said on Wednesday the workers had placed gas cylinders in front of the plant in the Yvelines area near Paris, where 480 jobs are set to be axed following bankruptcy proceedings.

In the second threat by French workers to blow up a factory in a week, the paper said the workers had threatened to stage an explosion as early as Wednesday if their demands were not met, but said the gas cylinders were empty.


And it does not end with the threats:

Such threats of violence could become a strategy of disgruntled workers, who have detained managers at factories across the country in recent months in a spate of so-called "bossnapping" incidents.

So we have something to look forward to.

347 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:14:19am

re: #341 iceweasel

Stephen Vincent Benet saw this coming in 1935.
Excerpted from "Nightmare Number Three":
And they need us, too.
They’re bound to realize that when they once calm down.
They’ll need oil and spare parts and adjustments and tuning up.
Slaves? Well, in a way, you know, we were slaves before.
There won’t be so much real difference--honest, there won’t.
(I wish I hadn’t looked into the beauty-parlor
And seen what was happening there.
But those female machines are a bit high-strung.)
Oh, we’ll settle down. We’ll arrange it. We’ll compromise.
It won’t make sense to wipe out the whole human race.
Why, I bet if I went to my old Plymouth now
(Of course you’d have to do it the tactful way)
And said, "Look here! Who got you the swell French horn?"
He wouldn’t turn me over to those police cars;
At least I don’t think he would.
Oh, it’s going to be jake.
There won’t be so much real difference--honest, there won’t--
And I’d go down in a minute and take my chance--
I’m a good American and I always liked them--
Except for one small detail that bothers me
And that’s the food proposition. Because, you see,
The concrete-mixer may have made a mistake,
And it looks like just high spirits.
But, if it’s got so they like the flavor . . . well . . .

Of course, there are those who say he was writing about bigger issues of the day.

348 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:14:58am

re: #345 rightside

Healthcare will now be a right?

Q: do you think health care shouldn't be a right?

I'm not snarking, I'm honestly interested in opinions on this.

349 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:16:18am

Refinancing is up on a week-to-week basis, down year-to-year:
Refinancing applications up last week as rates drop: MBA


Mortgage rates fell last week, leading to a 17.7% rise in applications filed to refinance existing home loans, the Mortgage Bankers Association reported on Wednesday.

For the week ended July 10, the volume of applications for mortgages to purchase homes was down a seasonally adjusted 9.4% from the week before, the MBA's latest survey showed.

Total application volume increased a seasonally adjusted 4.3% compared with the week before, according to the survey, which covers about one half of U.S. retail residential mortgage applications. The four-week moving average for filings was unchanged, the Washington-based MBA said.

Application volume for last week was down an unadjusted 2.7% compared with the same week in 2008.

350 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:16:43am

re: #348 iceweasel

I do not think it should be a right.

If they want to amend the constitution to make it so, then by all means, let them use the procedure set forth IN the constitution to do that. Ramming a law through to do so, does not pass constitutional muster.

351 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:19:52am

re: #346 3 wood

I'm sure coming down to the kitchen for breakfast and finding a bloody baguette on your table would be quite frightening. q;

352 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:20:41am

re: #348 iceweasel

Q: do you think health care shouldn't be a right?

I'm not snarking, I'm honestly interested in opinions on this.

You have the right now to all the health care you can pay for, just as you have the right to walk into any restaurant and buy all the food you can pay for.

What the issue really is becoming is making it an "entitlement", which means make somebody else pay for your health care. That is a different issue.

353 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:21:01am

re: #348 iceweasel

Q: do you think health care shouldn't be a right?

I'm not snarking, I'm honestly interested in opinions on this.

What kind of right? A human right, or an American right?

354 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:21:32am

re: #349 3 wood

Have you seen this 3Wood?

NEW YORK, July 14 (Reuters) - U.S. government officials are weighing a plan that would let borrowers who have fallen behind on their mortgage payments avoid eviction by renting their homes instead, sources familiar with the administration's thinking said on Tuesday.

Under one idea being discussed, delinquent homeowners would surrender ownership of their homes but would continue to live in the property for several years, the sources told Reuters.

Officials are also considering whether the government should make mortgage payments on behalf of borrowers who cannot keep up with their home loans, tapping an unused portion of a $50 billion housing aid kitty.

SNIP

355 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:22:15am

re: #351 laZardo

I'm sure coming down to the kitchen for breakfast and finding a bloody baguette on your table would be quite frightening. q;

Especially if one end is chopped off.

356 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:22:31am

re: #350 rightside

I do not think it should be a right.

If they want to amend the constitution to make it so, then by all means, let them use the procedure set forth IN the constitution to do that. Ramming a law through to do so, does not pass constitutional muster.

There are three different issues at least in your comment. I'll try to unpack them.

1. Constitution: the default is that americans have any and all rights that aren't explicitly mentioned there.

2. Is healthcare a right?

3. issues about any pending healthcare legislation.

---

Looks to me like you have problems about 3, and they reflect that your answer to 2 would be "no".

357 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:24:25am

re: #354 rightside

Yes, it all boils down to try ing to stop the falling price of property by having the government take over the place.

That won't make the property more valuable, it will just make the government your landlord. These places will become like public housing.

358 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:24:41am

re: #353 razorbacker

What kind of right? A human right, or an American right?

I think that's the critical question.

I like to think that Americans are always first in the world in recognising and enshrining human rights-- or strive to be first.

359 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:25:50am

re: #357 3 wood

Can you say section 8 housing?

360 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:29:01am

re: #358 iceweasel

I think that's the critical question.

I like to think that Americans are always first in the world in recognising and enshrining human rights-- or strive to be first.

Can America afford to provide free health care to everyone in the world?

If health care is a human right, how can you be so callous as to deny free health care to all humans? You do understand, don't you, that if health care is a right, it must be free. If it is not free to the consumer, what kind of right is it that is not available to even the poorest among us?

If health care is a right, how can you deny even the most costly of treatments, if there is a chance of improving health?

361 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:29:02am

re: #355 3 wood

Against the grain, no less.

362 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:29:38am

she was a cutiepie back in 1984

363 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:30:13am

re: #360 razorbacker

"Just tax the fat pigs who can afford to get all the healthcare they want while others just collapse and die due to the predatory practices of 'private' insurers!"

/i speak the language frighteningly well.

364 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:31:39am

Global economic problems abound.:
Global Confidence Drops as Unemployment Surge Counters Stimulus


Confidence in the world economy dropped for the first time in four months in July as government stimulus efforts showed little sign of reducing unemployment, a Bloomberg survey of users on six continents showed.

The Bloomberg Professional Global Confidence Index declined to 39.13 in July from 43.57 in June. A reading below 50 means pessimists outnumber optimists. A measure of U.S. participants’ confidence in the world’s largest economy fell to 29.5 from 36.7, the survey showed.

The MSCI World Index is down close to 2 percent since the U.S. Labor Department on July 2 reported higher-than-expected job losses and an unemployment rate approaching 10 percent. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said yesterday the world will probably suffer “more than the usual” setbacks in exiting the worst slowdown since the Great Depression.


I bolded that last part cause it shows we are seeing what I've been predicting for a while, that the Obama administration will be trying to move the goal posts and lower expectations now that it is becoming obvious that their policies have failed.

These are the people who just had to have $787 billion right now to blow to keep unemployment below 8%.

Now they are saying that this is going to get a lot worse, but it's not their fault.

Also, the economy Reagan inherited was worse than this, but it has become part of the left wing lying strategy to claim Great Depression status.

365 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:31:46am

re: #348 iceweasel

I believe that, to the extent that it preserves human dignity, health care should be a "right".

Whether or not the government should be the one to provide the care is another question. There seems to be some kind of (IMHO fallacious) belief that the government will be acting in it's role of guardian of civil rights by providing health care to all. In reality, since (again IMHO) the government has shown itself to be one of the most wasteful and incompetent administrators of ANYTHING, it would best serve in it's role of guardian of the right to health care by STAYING THE HELL OUT OF IT!

My $0.02

/Good Morning all!

366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:32:08am

Speaking of Healthcare... I just youtubed an "Air Supply" video.

Will the free shit include mental services?

367 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:32:10am

I see, according to those notorious right-wing cretins at the Treasury Department, that second quarter reciepts for 09 are 30.9% behind second quarter 08.

I seem to recall that the second quarter 08 economy was the worst since the Great Depression.

I wonder what that makes this economy?

Oh, yeah. G.W. Bush lied.

368 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:33:40am

re: #352 3 wood

You have the right now to all the health care you can pay for

I hear a statement like this and it doesn't even compute.

Replace 'healthcare' with the word 'justice':

You have the right now to all the justice you can pay for

or replace 'healthcare' with vote:

You have the right now to all the votes you can pay for

I chose these examples because they are rights: justice, enfranchisement-- and anyone American would recoil at the idea that these rights are dependent on what you can pay.

The idea here is to show you why it's wrong to claim that healthcare is "a right" that you get in proportion to your ability to pay.

Either it's a right, or it isn't. If you do think it's a right, then you have to treat it like all other rights: independent of one's race, religion, sex, or creed--or ability to pay.

369 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:34:20am

re: #366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Healthcare... I just youtubed an "Air Supply" video.

Will the free shit include mental services?

You need rehab! ///

370 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:35:32am

Uh oh...most of the passengers on the Iranian flight were Armenians.

Too bad :(

371 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:35:47am

Leaving aside for the moment whether or not PGI Obama's choice to join the Supremes is up to my standards as regards the Second Amendment, I find her rapid eyeblinking when answering questions distracting.

It's almost like she's lying about something or other.

372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:36:12am

re: #362 yochanan

She ain't Quasimoto now.

373 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:36:26am

re: #360 razorbacker

Can America afford to provide free health care to everyone in the world?

Why would America have to? Who is suggesting that America should?

374 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:37:41am

re: #373 iceweasel

Why would America have to? Who is suggesting that America should?

Haven't you noticed?

375 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:37:49am

re: #365 CIA Reject

I believe that, to the extent that it preserves human dignity, health care should be a "right".

Whether or not the government should be the one to provide the care is another question. !

The gov't does tend to fuck up everything it touches, that's true.

376 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:38:15am

re: #372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

MILF or should that be GMILF?

just kidding ///

377 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:38:31am

re: #374 razorbacker

Haven't you noticed?

Nope.

378 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:39:42am

re: #376 yochanan

MILF or should that be GMILF?

just kidding ///

I wanted VPILF.

379 Bloodnok  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:40:21am

Good morning folkses.

380 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:41:38am

The ideal of health care as a right is part and parcel of the distortion of the definition of right that is so popular among a certain sort.

Folks confuse right with desirable.

There is no right to housing. No right to health care. No right to food. No right even to happiness.

The government is not your mommy.

381 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:42:34am

re: #380 razorbacker

The ideal of health care as a right is part and parcel of the distortion of the definition of right that is so popular among a certain sort.

Folks confuse right with desirable.

There is no right to housing. No right to health care. No right to food.

WTF?

The world disagrees.

382 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:42:50am

two reforms on health care that woundn't cost the tax payers a dime and would help those who don't have healtcare because the ins. co get to cherry pick

1. put a cap on malpractice awards and make the loser pay the legal costs of the winner.
2. treat heath ins. like they treat utilities they have to sell it to you but are allowed to make a set profit.

383 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:44:43am

re: #368 iceweasel

I hear a statement like this and it doesn't even compute.

Replace 'healthcare' with the word 'justice':

This is the classic left wing Saul Alinsky strategy of equating everything with "justice". I'm not going to play that game with you, stick to your own question and stop trying to move the goal posts. You have the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness too, but I don't have to pay for your pursuit.

Again you have the right now to healthcare. Go see a doctor if you want to, I won't stop you. Just pay for your own bills. But you are trying to change the definition into "entitlement" so you can get somebody else to subsidize your lifestyle.

Either it's a right, or it isn't. If you do think it's a right, then you have to treat it like all other rights: independent of one's race, religion, sex, or creed--or ability to pay

.

And there we get down to it, you want others to pay for your health care.


Folk's make no mistake about it, this nationalizing health care effort will be a hunting license by the left to tax you into oblivion to transfer wealth to themselves.

384 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:44:50am

re: #360 razorbacker

Can America afford to provide free health care to everyone in the world?

If health care is a human right, how can you be so callous as to deny free health care to all humans? You do understand, don't you, that if health care is a right, it must be free. If it is not free to the consumer, what kind of right is it that is not available to even the poorest among us?

If health care is a right, how can you deny even the most costly of treatments, if there is a chance of improving health?

Good morning, everyone!

The healthcare debate seems to me to be more about health insurance, rather than health care.

I know I've posted this before - since 1736, Louisiana has had a system that provides healthcare to the indigent at no cost to the patient who is unable to pay.

Louisiana State University operates eight hospitals, which are managed by the Health Care Services Division. Combined, the LSU facilities admit 50,000 patients annually, and they provide nearly 1.2 million outpatient visits, around 70 percent of which are clinic visits.

The system's mission:

On behalf of all citizens of the state of Louisiana, the LSU Health Care Services Division shall:

Provide access to high quality medical care.
Develop medical and clinical manpower through accredited residency and other health education programs.
Operate efficiently and cost effectively.
While achieving our objectives, work cooperatively with other health care providers and agencies to improve health outcomes.

The system of hospitals that is in place serves as the "teaching" hospitals for the medical schools here.

I have to believe that other states have similar programs, so people are receiving healthcare.

While the system I've mentioned is doable (indicated by the success of this system), we could not afford to provide "free" healthcare to the world, and I'm using quotes because of course, "free" healthcare isn't really free, there is a cost to somebody somewhere down the road.

But this system works for citizens who are uninsured, and those who cannot afford to pay do receive healthcare.

385 SurferDoc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:47:23am

Social Justice means I get the same health care as the rich guy and he pays for both of us.

386 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:47:54am

re: #383 3 wood

This is the classic left wing Saul Alinsky strategy of equating everything with "justice". I'm not going to play that game with you, stick to your own question and stop trying to move the goal posts.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I've never read any Alinsky, and i'm not moving goalposts on you.

If you want to call healthcare a right, you can't say it's a 'right' that is dependent upon one's ability to pay for it.

No other 'rights' are dependent upon one's money in America, and the whole idea is profoundly Unamerican.

387 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:48:04am

the problem for me is that the health ins. co. get to cherry pick i had 4 different companies turn me down for me the gop plan does not work what good is a health savings plan do me if no one will sell it to me?

388 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:49:28am

re: #381 iceweasel

WTF?

The world disagrees.

The world may disagree, but people continue to go hungry. Even though humans scavage garbage dumps for scraps to eat, the French continue to laze about the bistro eating. Americans continue to leave extra fries on the tray at McDonalds.

I suppose that we need a world government to adjust the food supply so as to ensure a hunger-free world.

That would be heaven on earth, I'll bet.

389 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:50:45am

re: #384 reine.de.tout

The system of hospitals that is in place serves as the "teaching" hospitals for the medical schools here.

I have to believe that other states have similar programs, so people are receiving healthcare.

While the system I've mentioned is doable (indicated by the success of this system), we could not afford to provide "free" healthcare to the world, and I'm using quotes because of course, "free" healthcare isn't really free, there is a cost to somebody somewhere down the road.

But this system works for citizens who are uninsured, and those who cannot afford to pay do receive healthcare.

"Give them healthcare by making them actual guinea pigs!"

/half

390 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:52:46am

re: #389 laZardo

"Give them healthcare by making them actual guinea pigs!"

/half

Aw.
No, they are not guinea pigs.
The "learning" is supervised of course, by licensed physicians.
And the doctors-to-be are students who are getting the benefit of the latest in training.

391 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:53:52am

re: #388 razorbacker

The world may disagree

Wrong.

Sorry, my fault, I didn't link.

For most of the world, food is considered a human right. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the U.N. in 1948, states that “Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food.”

The U.S. voted for the declaration in 1948.

392 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:54:18am

re: #390 reine.de.tout

if it is the latest training under proper care it would be better than having the doc who is 30 years out of school

393 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:56:36am

re: #390 reine.de.tout

Aw.
No, they are not guinea pigs.
The "learning" is supervised of course, by licensed physicians.
And the doctors-to-be are students who are getting the benefit of the latest in training.

As a former patient at the Univerity of Arkansas Medical Center (where they set my broken bones and treated me for free, or at least they wrote off my treatment because of inablility to pay) I can testify that letting some trainee jab you repeatedly looking, in that myopic way, for a vein, can be uncomfortable.

394 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:57:26am

In 1948, the Philippines was the only Asian country to support the Partition Plan that led to the creation of Israel.

/random semi-related history trivia

395 SurferDoc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:57:34am

re: #392 yochanan

if it is the latest training under proper care it would be better than having the doc who is 30 years out of school

We have CME (Coninuing Medical Education) credits we must submit for license renewal to insure that doctors stay current. For psychologist, for example, the requirement is 16 credits a year.

396 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 4:57:36am

re: #391 iceweasel

That in no way negates my statement.

397 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:00:22am

re: #388 razorbacker

The world may disagree, but people continue to go hungry. Even though humans scavage garbage dumps for scraps to eat, the French continue to laze about the bistro eating. Americans continue to leave extra fries on the tray at McDonalds.

I suppose that we need a world government to adjust the food supply so as to ensure a hunger-free world.

That would be heaven on earth, I'll bet.

But of course it's the distribution of food that is the problem. The extra food of the French and Americans is not what takes food out of the mouths of the Africans. It's usually the governments, the civil wars, etc. And whether something is a right or not is not as important as the fact that we, as humans choose to deliver food and adequate medicine to everyone, because it's just better. How much does it cost? More importantly, how much does it cost if we don't?

398 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:01:42am

The United Nations may yammer on, and yammer on, and yammer on.

But absent an effective armed force, or the heavy-lift ability to place that fighting force into needed areas once they get an effective fighting force, the United Nations is a joke.

Why don't you link us to the parts of the United Nations involved with eradicating racism and promoting human rights in the world? Who chairs that now?

399 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:01:42am

All this talk about food has made me hungry. q;

Brb, dinnar.

400 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:01:50am

re: #396 razorbacker

That in no way negates my statement.

But your statement no longer makes any sense, given that context.

Unless you just wanted to point out that Americans leave fries on their plates at McD's.

401 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:02:29am

re: #348 iceweasel

Q: do you think health care shouldn't be a right?

I'm not snarking, I'm honestly interested in opinions on this.

I already have the right to health care. What I don't have a right to is expecting others to pay my medical bills.

402 ggt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:04:20am

Good Morning Lizards! It is a bit damp in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland this morning.

You can run, but you cannot hide.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

403 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:04:23am

re: #401 Sharmuta

I already have the right to health care. .

No, you don't.

You have poor health care which is provided to you only when you can pay for it, or only when your income level and savings are so low that that the gov't pays for it.

404 SurferDoc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:04:47am

The "right to food" is bullshit. In fact, all "rights" are a pleasant fiction we tell each other that has no meaning in the real world. Rights are about power. You have only those rights you can wrest away from others and successfully defend. If they have the guns and you don't, you have the rights they give you.

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:04:56am

re: #382 yochanan

1. put a cap on malpractice awards and make the loser's lawyer pay the legal costs of the winner.

That would take out some those "Hurtline" TV ads, don'tcha think?

406 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:05:50am

re: #402 ggt

Good Morning Lizards! It is a bit damp in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland this morning.

You can run, but you cannot hide.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

Morning' {ggt}. Yes, it is damp and cloudy.

407 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:07:14am

re: #400 iceweasel

But your statement no longer makes any sense, given that context.

Unless you just wanted to point out that Americans leave fries on their plates at McD's.

To state that something is a right, to me, gives the implication that the right should be guaranteed. To guarantee a right means that you have the ability to do so. Otherwise it is simply words. Less than words, actually, since words mean things. It is simply random expelling of air from the mouth.

408 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:07:15am

re: #403 iceweasel

No, you don't.

You have poor health care which is provided to you only when you can pay for it, or only when your income level and savings are so low that that the gov't pays for it.

Yes, she does. America leads the way in health care. We are second to none.

Also, please refrain from using the term "gov't pays for it" Government has no money, and pays for nothing. Do use the term "taxpayers pay" or "those who produce"

409 apachegunner  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:08:25am

scientific studies prove that when an individual eats less he/she lives longer. seems this is the answer to the problem in world food and health benefits. eat less, stay healthy. morning lizards

410 ggt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:09:12am

re: #401 Sharmuta

I already have the right to health care. What I don't have a right to is expecting others to pay my medical bills.

Do you really think health care is a "right". I'm trying to think of the Constitutional aspects of this. Perhaps the opportunity to seek health care is a right, but health care (like food, clothing and shelter) is a resource, that can't be guaranteed. "Rights" are things that are endowed by our Creator and are not resources.

(deep thinking here, in the morning no less.)

411 opnion  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:09:14am

If you saw Obama throw out the first pitch last night, the camera angle didn't tell the story. Seeing the whole thing this morning , Puljols had to step in front of the plate, so that the ball did not bounce.
He could not throw the ball 60 feet! Bet Palion would have brought some heat. Just sayin.

412 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:09:38am

re: #397 legalpad

But of course it's the distribution of food that is the problem. The extra food of the French and Americans is not what takes food out of the mouths of the Africans. It's usually the governments, the civil wars, etc. And whether something is a right or not is not as important as the fact that we, as humans choose to deliver food and adequate medicine to everyone, because it's just better. How much does it cost? More importantly, how much does it cost if we don't?

Completely right. How many times has food been delivered by the UN and then left to rot on the piers due to local warlords?

Happened all the time in Somalia; it's happening now too everywhere.

413 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:09:51am

re: #402 ggt

when arrested he looked like your standard american hippy, who may be the anti semitic father of preg. woman's baby the one who turned him in when she found out he was a KKK'er on the lam.

414 ggt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:10:24am

re: #408 rightside

Yes, she does. America leads the way in health care. We are second to none.

Also, please refrain from using the term "gov't pays for it" Government has no money, and pays for nothing. Do use the term "taxpayers pay" or "those who produce"

I regret I have but 1 upding to give.

415 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:10:42am

re: #403 iceweasel

No, you don't.

You have poor health care which is provided to you only when you can pay for it, or only when your income level and savings are so low that that the gov't pays for it.

I don't know. It's all in the details as usual. I walked into a hospital with no insurance some years back and received $16,000 worth of surgery. Later,I applied to various agencies and they ultimately paid for it.

416 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:10:54am

re: #393 razorbacker

As a former patient at the Univerity of Arkansas Medical Center (where they set my broken bones and treated me for free, or at least they wrote off my treatment because of inablility to pay) I can testify that letting some trainee jab you repeatedly looking, in that myopic way, for a vein, can be uncomfortable.

I would not be surprised that it's uncomfortable. But you got care.

417 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:10:57am

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

a welcome side effect I would say.

at least billy may's products worked.

418 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:10:58am

re: #410 ggt

Do you really think health care is a "right". I'm trying to think of the Constitutional aspects of this. Perhaps the opportunity to seek health care is a right, but health care (like food, clothing and shelter) is a resource, that can't be guaranteed. "Rights" are things that are endowed by our Creator and are not resources.

(deep thinking here, in the morning no less.)

No- that's fair. It's too early for me to think...

419 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:11:04am

re: #408 rightside

America leads the way in health care. We are second to none.

Also, please refrain from using the term "gov't pays for it" Government has no money, and pays for nothing. Do use the term "taxpayers pay" or "those who produce"

America sucks ass in healthcare. And I will not refrain from using that term.

420 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:12:18am

GAH! I hate watching a country go down the road to public healtcare. Especially when people are screaming for it as a right. Just you wait. When every one has the same healthcare you will all be screaming at long waits in emergency rooms, long waits to see doctors, long waits to FIND a family doctor. All you have to do is look at the joke that is the Canadian and British health systems. We have people that run, not walk, run to emergency every time they get the sniffles. Why? BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THEM IT'S FREEE!!!

/rant off.

421 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:12:51am

re: #419 iceweasel

America sucks ass in healthcare. And I will not refrain from using that term.

If we suck ass in healthcare, why are millions trying to come here to get it?

422 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:13:22am

re: #415 legalpad

I don't know. It's all in the details as usual. I walked into a hospital with no insurance some years back and received $16,000 worth of surgery. Later,I applied to various agencies and they ultimately paid for it.

You were lucky.

How many people have savings wiped out because of medical care? or lose homes?

Many, in the US. I really can't believe that no-one here has had that experience, or knows anyone who has.

423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:13:34am

re: #406 midwestgak

Morning' {ggt}. Yes, it is damp and cloudy.

"It was a damp and cloudy morning..."

424 ggt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:13:53am

I continue to believe that a the "single-payer" system does not work very well. A "2 billion-payer" system would be more efficient and certainly cheaper. Take the lawyers and politicians out of the mix and costs will come down, way down.

425 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:14:12am

iDub- all I know it it's complicated. This needs real reform and not more government involvement. I want the choice of who my doctor is, what hospital I go to, and so on. My health, my body, my choice. I don't want Uncle Sam Care.

426 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:14:29am

re: #423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

..or clamp and doudy..

looks the same from a distance, no?

427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:14:31am

re: #417 yochanan

Did you notice the little changy-changy I made?...

428 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:14:38am

re: #423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"It was a damp and cloudy morning..."

"It was the best of times. It was the worst of times."

429 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:15:00am

re: #419 iceweasel

the care is uneven,
for those who the ins. co. decides not to sell it to (such as myself) it is a major problem one I may die from.

430 ggt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:15:14am

re: #428 midwestgak

"It was the best of times. It was the worst of times."

"Once upon a time, in a far off land . ."

431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:15:41am

re: #428 midwestgak

"It was the best of times. It was the worst of times."

"Call me Ishmael..."

432 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:15:55am

re: #393 razorbacker

As a former patient at the Univerity of Arkansas Medical Center (where they set my broken bones and treated me for free, or at least they wrote off my treatment because of inablility to pay) I can testify that letting some trainee jab you repeatedly looking, in that myopic way, for a vein, can be uncomfortable.

You needed care, but were unable to pay, but you got care at no cost to you, albeit it was uncomfortable.

Proving my point that US citizens don't go without health care.

What people are lacking is health insurance. But the debate seems to be framed in terms of health care, which isn't what it's really all about.

433 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:15:56am

re: #430 ggt

"Once upon a time, in a far off land . ."


There lived these three chickens...

434 apachegunner  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:16:01am

re: #419 iceweasel

America sucks ass in healthcare. And I will not refrain from using that term.

curious to know who you think has a better health care program ice?

435 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:16:02am

re: #419 iceweasel

America sucks ass in healthcare. And I will not refrain from using that term.

To some extent it may be a case of "six of one, half-dozen of another". In other systems, different people die, but theirs seems to be inherent in their system, essentially un-patchable. Details, numbers, facts, or we simply kill more people and say we didn't, rather than fixing anything.

436 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:16:09am

Ape: Help, the human's about to escape.
Troy: Get your paws off me, you dirty ape.
Apes: [gasping] He can talk!
Apes: [in unison, rythmed]
He can talk
He can talk
He can talk
He can talk
He can talk
He can talk
Troy: [singing] I can siiing!

[funky beat of "Rock Me Amadeus" starts playing]
Female Nurse Ape: Ooh, help me Dr. Zaius!
Apes: [in unison]
Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius
Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius
Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius
Oh... Dr. Zaius
Ape: Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius.

Troy: What's wrong with me?
Zaius: I think you're crazy.
Troy: Want a second opinion.
Zaius: You're also lazy.

Apes: [in unison]
Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius
Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius
Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius
[one ape starts breakdancing]
Oh... Dr. Zaius
Ape: Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius.

Troy: Can I play the piano anymore?
Zaius: Of course you can.
Troy: Well I couldn't before!
[plays piano]

437 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:16:24am

re: #416 reine.de.tout

I would not be surprised that it's uncomfortable. But you got care.

I absolutely did. Good care.

And, a few years back, when I developed a tumorous mass behind my knee, I went back to the U of A cancer center. I went there even though I could afford care elsewhere. But that was where the best knife-waver around has set up shop.

He looked at the MRI from one Friday and compared it to the MRI taken the next Friday and said, 'Y'all had best come on down and let me cut that thang out before it gets so big we have to give it its own zip code. It's growing fast.'

438 ggt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:16:47am

re: #429 yochanan

the care is uneven,
for those who the ins. co. decides not to sell it to (such as myself) it is a major problem one I may die from.

There is a problem with the perception of what insurance actually is. It is a risk management tool, not a blank check to pay one's bills.

People scream that there are millions un-insured. What they really want is not insurance, but the rest of us to pay their bills.

439 opnion  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:16:48am

re: #419 iceweasel

America sucks ass in healthcare. And I will not refrain from using that term.

Which of course is why people come from all over the world to get treatment here.
The only area that we lg behind some developed nations is infant mortality & that is beacause of poor pre & neo natal care on the part of mothers.

440 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:17:04am

re: #437 razorbacker

I absolutely did. Good care.

And, a few years back, when I developed a tumorous mass behind my knee, I went back to the U of A cancer center. I went there even though I could afford care elsewhere. But that was where the best knife-waver around has set up shop.

He looked at the MRI from one Friday and compared it to the MRI taken the next Friday and said, 'Y'all had best come on down and let me cut that thang out before it gets so big we have to give it its own zip code. It's growing fast.'

doncha love livin' in the south?

441 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:17:09am

re: #437 razorbacker

"Tumorous Mass" would be a cool name for a Rock Band.

442 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:17:22am

re: #437 razorbacker

I absolutely did. Good care.

And, a few years back, when I developed a tumorous mass behind my knee, I went back to the U of A cancer center. I went there even though I could afford care elsewhere. But that was where the best knife-waver around has set up shop.

He looked at the MRI from one Friday and compared it to the MRI taken the next Friday and said, 'Y'all had best come on down and let me cut that thang out before it gets so big we have to give it its own zip code. It's growing fast.'

That's technical jargon, did you understand it? ;)

443 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:17:56am

re: #438 ggt

There is a problem with the perception of what insurance actually is. It is a risk management tool, not a blank check to pay one's bills.

People scream that there are millions un-insured. What they really want is not insurance, but the rest of us to pay their bills.

Actually they want the insurance, just to have somebody else pay the premiums.

444 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:18:10am

re: #431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Call me Ishmael..."

"Ignorance is the parent of fear . . ."

445 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:18:14am

re: #437 razorbacker

It's not a tooma!

446 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:18:20am

re: #423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"It was a damp and cloudy morning..."

GACK!

447 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:18:37am

re: #439 opnion


The only area that we lg behind some developed nations is infant mortality & that is beacause of poor pre & neo natal care on the part of mothers.

You must be joking on that. You think the US has crappy infant mortality rate because the mothers are fucking up?

448 apachegunner  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:18:58am

re: #422 iceweasel

You were lucky.

How many people have savings wiped out because of medical care? or lose homes?

Many, in the US. I really can't believe that no-one here has had that experience, or knows anyone who has.


there are legitimate ways to forgo such things as losing your house or your savings because of medical bills. put the house in someone elses name, hide your savings, any number of ways to get past it.

449 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:19:02am

re: #427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

no

450 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:20:00am

re: #422 iceweasel

You were lucky.

How many people have savings wiped out because of medical care? or lose homes?

Many, in the US. I really can't believe that no-one here has had that experience, or knows anyone who has.

Of course you are right. My luck was that I didn't have a savings. We need improvement. We need to pool the funding of medicine, but if we meddle with the actual distribution of medicine, more people will die. Different people, but more.

451 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:20:00am

re: #438 ggt

There is a problem with the perception of what insurance actually is. It is a risk management tool, not a blank check to pay one's bills.

People scream that there are millions un-insured. What they really want is not insurance, but the rest of us to pay their bills.

ggt - see re: #432 reine.de.tout

You are correct.
This whole issue is not really about health care. People get health care.
It is about health insurance.

452 opnion  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:20:05am

re: #447 iceweasel

You must be joking on that. You think the US has crappy infant mortality rate because the mothers are fucking up?

Yes & the literature supports that.

453 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:20:06am

re: #448 apachegunner

there are legitimate ways to forgo such things as losing your house or your savings because of medical bills. put the house in someone elses name, hide your savings, any number of ways to get past it.

Yea, do what the rich do (I find it hilarious that it was OBAMA's administration the IRS decided to pursue a suit against the Swiss Banking system in order to get taxes)

454 ggt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:20:34am

re: #447 iceweasel

You must be joking on that. You think the US has crappy infant mortality rate because the mothers are fucking up?

YES

455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:21:04am

re: #447 iceweasel

You must be joking on that. You think the US has crappy infant mortality rate because the mothers are fucking up?

Yes I do.

456 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:21:14am

re: #447 iceweasel

You must be joking on that. You think the US has crappy infant mortality rate because the mothers are fucking up?

And you think that the infant deaths reported in other countries is extremely accurate?

457 legalpad  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:21:19am

Gotta run. I'll be back.

458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:21:38am

re: #449 yochanan

no

Well, then go looky-looky!

459 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:22:08am

re: #447 iceweasel

You must be joking on that. You think the US has crappy infant mortality rate because the mothers are fucking up?

Yes.

460 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:22:11am

re: #419 iceweasel

America sucks ass in healthcare. And I will not refrain from using that term.

Really? Try waiting in an emergency room for 5 hours with an accute case of appendicitis, or two hours at midnight complaining of chest pains. That's with our healthcare. Gee nice to know we take good care of our citizens, eh?

461 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:23:45am

re: #460 BlueCanuck

Really? Try waiting in an emergency room for 5 hours with an accute case of appendicitis, or two hours at midnight complaining of chest pains. That's with our healthcare. Gee nice to know we take good care of our citizens, eh?

Out of curiosity, when you wait in a waiting room, they don't have individual waiting stalls, protected from each other? Or do they throw all of you people waiting on treatment, regardless of what little virus or bacteria that ails any of you into a huge pit, and let you mingle before plucking you out like a claw toy-grabbing game?

462 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:24:06am

re: #438 ggt

frankly i could have paid for it and wanted to FOUR DIFFERENT COMPANIES WOULD NOT SELL IT TO ME. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT.

463 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:24:08am

re: #440 reine.de.tout

I do.

re: #441 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It would.

re: #442 Hengineer

If they give to me slowly, in words of no more than three syllables, I muddle through.

The cutter wanted to hurry up and get it cut out so he'd have time to do it, and look at the knee again in two weeks. He didn't want it to interfere with his planned trip to Central America.

He wasn't going on vacation. He was going to do free surgeries for poor folks in Central America.

464 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:24:18am

re: #452 opnion

Yes & the literature supports that.

No. You're wrong.

i don't really want to get into this, especially so early, so I'll ask you to look at the infant mortality rates by country for the western developed world. Then look at the medical services available. (and the rate of use, Surprise! In countries with national health care, pregnant women have more neo-natal care!)

465 opnion  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:25:04am

re: #455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes I do.

And you are correct. Our health delivery system is not perfect & could be improved , but have you noticed that supporters of a National single payer system can't point to anywhere that it actually works?
If this goes forward we will have rationing & people will die.

466 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:25:08am

re: #458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I did could not find it.. post again.

467 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:25:10am

re: #437 razorbacker

I absolutely did. Good care.

And, a few years back, when I developed a tumorous mass behind my knee, I went back to the U of A cancer center. I went there even though I could afford care elsewhere. But that was where the best knife-waver around has set up shop.

He looked at the MRI from one Friday and compared it to the MRI taken the next Friday and said, 'Y'all had best come on down and let me cut that thang out before it gets so big we have to give it its own zip code. It's growing fast.'

Sounds like you got lucky, to be honest...

468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:25:22am

Anecdotal, I know...

I know OBs. I know Neo-natal ICU nurses...

The stories they tell about what many women do to themselves while pregnant.

That seems to be an American thing. I might be wrong tho.

469 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:25:37am

re: #460 BlueCanuck

Really? Try waiting in an emergency room for 5 hours with an accute case of appendicitis, or two hours at midnight complaining of chest pains. That's with our healthcare. Gee nice to know we take good care of our citizens, eh?

Yeah, that never happens in the US. Never.

470 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:25:51am

re: #460 BlueCanuck

"Better than throwing them out on the streets to die."

/half

471 Lincolntf  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:26:12am

Morning all.

Private beaches= nicer than public ones, private schools= better than public ones, private housing= better than public housing, private medical insurance=...?

472 apachegunner  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:26:14am

re: #464 iceweasel

No. You're wrong.

i don't really want to get into this, especially so early, so I'll ask you to look at the infant mortality rates by country for the western developed world. Then look at the medical services available. (and the rate of use, Surprise! In countries with national health care, pregnant women have more neo-natal care!)

bottom line, keep the fucking government out of health care!

473 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:27:04am

re: #419 iceweasel

America sucks ass in healthcare. And I will not refrain from using that term.

IceWeasel. See:

re: #384 reine.de.tout

The system of hospitals that is in place serves as the "teaching" hospitals for the medical schools here.

I have to believe that other states have similar programs, so people are receiving healthcare.

While the system I've mentioned is doable (indicated by the success of this system), we could not afford to provide "free" healthcare to the world, and I'm using quotes because of course, "free" healthcare isn't really free, there is a cost to somebody somewhere down the road.

But this system works for citizens who are uninsured, and those who cannot afford to pay do receive healthcare.

We do not lack health care. What some people lack is health insurance.

What this administration wants to do is ensure that those of us who have health insurance are put into a system where we can make fewer choices about our own care. They want the gov't to be making those choices.

And that's not right.

474 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:27:19am

re: #464 iceweasel

No. You're wrong.

i don't really want to get into this, especially so early, so I'll ask you to look at the infant mortality rates by country for the western developed world. Then look at the medical services available. (and the rate of use, Surprise! In countries with national health care, pregnant women have more neo-natal care!)

Does that include our illegal immigrant pregnant women who in many cases don't speak English, so they don't know to come in for care until the very day they have to give birth, then they SURPRISE get care because no hospital can turn a patient back? Why do you think emergency rooms around the south-west are closing down in private hospitals? They can't afford to keep them open because of the inability of many people to pay (but let's not let this get into an illegal immigrant argument).

475 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:27:42am

re: #455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes I do.


But then you're wrong. Look at the rates for all the rest of the western industrialised world.

476 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:27:43am

3Wood,

if you are reading this, I would like to know if there is a way to email you. Your nic is not blue, but I have some questions I'd like to get your answers on outside of here if I can.

477 opnion  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:27:53am

re: #462 yochanan

frankly i could have paid for it and wanted to FOUR DIFFERENT COMPANIES WOULD NOT SELL IT TO ME. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT.

Illinois has a High Risk pool for uninsurables like most states.
Google State of Illinois, High Risk Pool & you should get directed.

478 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:28:28am

re: #466 yochanan

I did could not find it.. post again.

1. put a cap on malpractice awards and make the loser's lawyer pay the legal costs of the winner.

That was how I changed your sentence... what the heck happened there?

479 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:28:40am

re: #469 iceweasel

Yeah, that never happens in the US. Never.

THIS IS IN CANADA WITH PUBLIC HEALTH CARE YOU TWIT!!!


/sorry but this infuriates me madly.

480 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:28:57am

re: #475 iceweasel

But then you're wrong. Look at the rates for all the rest of the western industrialised world.

I've read that, and I've also read that they "game' their results sometimes, by how they define some of those mortality rates, too (whether they mean to game it or not).

481 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:29:08am

re: #445 rightside

It's not a tooma!

Ha!

Actually, it turned out not to be a tooma. It turned out to be a 'unidentified fungal mass' (And that would be a cool name for a rock band). He ended up chasing it up to my hip and down almost to my ankle before getting it all. Said he had no idea what happened, but it most likely was the result of a briar, or sticker, or something that I'd stuck into my knee when I was a boy.

482 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:30:11am

re: #461 Hengineer

Most pre assessment waiting rooms are pits that they group every one before calling. If you are real lucky you get a private one. otherwise it's an open ward while they assess your emergency.

483 ggt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:30:13am

re: #462 yochanan

frankly i could have paid for it and wanted to FOUR DIFFERENT COMPANIES WOULD NOT SELL IT TO ME. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT.

I haven't been on long this morning and did not read that part of your story. Ability to pay is not the only factor in getting insurance. Again, it is a risk management tool. You do not have a right to it.

484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:30:18am

re: #479 BlueCanuck

C'mon Blue... she is quite polite...

485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:31:06am

re: #481 razorbacker

"Unidentified Fungal Mass" would be a good name for a Rock Band.

486 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:31:27am

re: #475 iceweasel

But then you're wrong. Look at the rates for all the rest of the western industrialised world.


Wikipedia - Infant Mortality


While the United States reports every case of infant mortality, it has been suggested that some other developed countries do not. A 2006 article in U.S. News & World Report claims that "First, it's shaky ground to compare U.S. infant mortality with reports from other countries. The United States counts all births as live if they show any sign of life, regardless of prematurity or size. This includes what many other countries report as stillbirths. In Austria and Germany, fetal weight must be at least 500 grams (1 pound) to count as a live birth; in other parts of Europe, such as Switzerland, the fetus must be at least 30 centimeters (12 inches) long. In Belgium and France, births at less than 26 weeks of pregnancy are registered as lifeless.[5] And some countries don't reliably register babies who die within the first 24 hours of birth. Thus, the United States is sure to report higher infant mortality rates. For this very reason, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which collects the European numbers, warns of head-to-head comparisons by country."[6] However, all of the countries named adopted the WHO definition in the late 1980s or early 1990s.[7]

Historically, until the 1990s Russia and other countries of the former Soviet Union did not count as a live birth or as an infant death extremely premature infants (less than 1,000 g, less than 28 weeks gestational age, or less than 35 cm in length) that were born alive (breathed, had a heartbeat, or exhibited voluntary muscle movement) but failed to survive for at least 7 days.[8] Although such extremely premature infants typically accounted for only about 0.005 of all live-born children, their exclusion from both the numerator and the denominator in the reported IMR led to an estimated 22%-25% lower reported IMR.[9] In some cases, too, perhaps because hospitals or regional health departments were held accountable for lowering the IMR in their catchment area, infant deaths that occurred in the 12th month were "transferred" statistically to the 13th month (i.e., the second year of life), and thus no longer classified as an infant death.[10]

Another challenge to comparability is the practice of counting frail or premature infants who die before the normal due date as miscarriages (spontaneous abortions) or those who die during or immediately after childbirth as stillborn. Therefore, the quality of a country's documentation of perinatal mortality can matter greatly to the accuracy of its infant mortality statistics. This point is reinforced by the demographer Ansley Coale, who finds dubiously high ratios of reported stillbirths to infant deaths in Hong Kong and Japan in the first 24 hours after birth, a pattern that is consistent with the high recorded sex ratios at birth in those countries and suggests not only that many female infants who die in the first 24 hours are misreported as stillbirths rather than infant deaths but also that those countries do not follow WHO recommendations for the reporting of live births and infant deaths.[11]

487 opnion  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:31:30am

re: #464 iceweasel

No. You're wrong.

i don't really want to get into this, especially so early, so I'll ask you to look at the infant mortality rates by country for the western developed world. Then look at the medical services available. (and the rate of use, Surprise! In countries with national health care, pregnant women have more neo-natal care!)

I am not wrong. Back issues of JAMA & the New Englanfd Journal support that we have to many mothers who either are ignorant of or ignore proper natal care.
In every other catagory Our medical delivery system is first.

488 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:31:48am

re: #481 razorbacker

Ha!

Actually, it turned out not to be a tooma. It turned out to be a 'unidentified fungal mass' (And that would be a cool name for a rock band). He ended up chasing it up to my hip and down almost to my ankle before getting it all. Said he had no idea what happened, but it most likely was the result of a briar, or sticker, or something that I'd stuck into my knee when I was a boy.

Glad you're OK.
Rose thorns are famous for doing what you have described - the Roi has several bumps under his skin from thorns - I suspect these are "fungal masses" like you had (but smaller).

489 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:32:09am

re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I know, but the whole upshot is that my experiences aren't the exception. They are the norm. All these whiny mouth breathers that don't know how to deal with a common cold, or allergies that are sucking up our resources leaving little for the ones that truly need the help.

490 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:32:09am

re: #481 razorbacker

Wow, growing and spreading your adult life? How weird. Glad it's gone though, thank God for the health care in this country.

491 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:32:11am

WHILE WE'RE DISCUSSING HEALTH INSURANCE/CARE.

gmsc or someone linked me to a video drawing parallels between the current economy and the burst of the Japanese bubble on reason.tv.

So I clicked off to the side bar and noticed a video dating from the 2008 campaign that claimed that approximately half of America's current uninsured are either:

1. Eligible for a government program but are not informed/aware about it.
2. Can afford it but choose to spend elsewhere instead.

What do you think?

492 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:32:32am

re: #479 BlueCanuck

THIS IS IN CANADA WITH PUBLIC HEALTH CARE YOU TWIT!!!

/sorry but this infuriates me madly.

Fine.

We were talking about inadequacies in the US HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.

//So call me a twit and use caps and bitch as much as you like, dude, but it infuriates me and others when someone changes the topic and then screams at people for staying on topic. :)

493 yochanan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:32:41am

re: #477 opnion

got put on a waiting list still on it

494 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:32:52am

re: #482 BlueCanuck

Most pre assessment waiting rooms are pits that they group every one before calling. If you are real lucky you get a private one. otherwise it's an open ward while they assess your emergency.

And where you pick up whatever viruses are going around.

495 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:33:15am

Y'all can continue to chase youselves around this particular paw-paw bush if you wish.

I'm going out and see if I have the right to a neat, clean shop.

I think that I do. If I do it.

What I don't seem to have is the right to have someone else come by and clean it up for me.

I'm voting for PGI Obama next time. He'll take care of it for me.

496 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:33:44am

re: #492 iceweasel

Fine.

We were talking about inadequacies in the US HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.

//So call me a twit and use caps and bitch as much as you like, dude, but it infuriates me and others when someone changes the topic and then screams at people for staying on topic. :)

If the topic is public healthcare, I don't see how posting about a public health care system is off topic.

497 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:33:57am

re: #492 iceweasel

Fine.

We were talking about inadequacies in the US HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.

//So call me a twit and use caps and bitch as much as you like, dude, but it infuriates me and others when someone changes the topic and then screams at people for staying on topic. :)

The US Health CARE system is second to none.

The US Health INSURANCE system needs some work.

I think we should be able to agree on that.

498 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:34:45am

Does the US have problems with health care? You betcha!

Is the US health care perfect? Not a chance.

Is the US health care system the best on the planet? Without a doubt.

499 opnion  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:34:45am

re: #493 yochanan

got put on a waiting list still on it

Good, I'm glad that you got on the list. I undersatnd that they are looking at expanding the pool.

500 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:35:34am

re: #487 opnion

I am not wrong. Back issues of JAMA & the New Englanfd Journal support that we have to many mothers who either are ignorant of or ignore proper natal care.
In every other catagory Our medical delivery system is first.

Why are they ignorant of neo-natal care?

Because they don't have access to free education and free neonatal care.

501 opnion  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:37:16am

re: #492 iceweasel

Fine.

We were talking about inadequacies in the US HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.

//So call me a twit and use caps and bitch as much as you like, dude, but it infuriates me and others when someone changes the topic and then screams at people for staying on topic. :)

You seem bound & determined to denigrate the U.S healthcare system & keep using infant mortality. I introduced the issue & explained why we lack in that area, but you just say that the reason is not true & continue on.
We all have a right to our opinions, but none of us own the facts.

502 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:37:41am

re: #490 rightside

Wow, growing and spreading your adult life? How weird. Glad it's gone though, thank God for the health care in this country.

The weird part was, it hadn't been growing. But when it did start growing, it grew fast. That's what freaked out the medical folks. When I say fast, it went from not being noticable at all to being baseball sized in a month.

By the way. Nobody asked me how I was going to pay. But they were glad to hear that I had insurance, when I got there.

503 badger1970  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:37:51am

re: #473 reine.de.tout

We do not lack health care. What some people lack is health insurance.

What this administration wants to do is ensure that those of us who have health insurance are put into a system where we can make fewer choices about our own care. They want the gov't to be making those choices.

And that's not right.

The Gov't is using the guise of affordable (whatever that means) health care, in essence, insurance, to push its agenda down America's throat.

However, there's confusion over the availability of plans from different companies. Can a typical recently unemployed person afford $600 a month on COBRA? Hell no. I'm not getting into pre-existing conditions for dependents (to Scott & White Texas Children's Health Plan, EFF YOU!!!)

504 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:38:28am

re: #500 iceweasel

Why are they ignorant of neo-natal care?

Because they don't have access to free education and free neonatal care.

Many cases they do have access to free education and free neonatal care, I just think they don't LOOK for it.

Are you suggesting that any pregnant woman rounded on on the street and gathered into a herd to provide free neonatal care? That's what should happen according to you. Our Country is VERY free, so even if there is free care, I bet many would still not even bother to exercise it.

505 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:40:01am

re: #502 razorbacker

That's an amazing story. The human body is so complex, it boggles my mind anyway.

506 Lincolntf  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:40:31am

re: #497 Hengineer

One thing that could be somehow fashioned into a reasonable reform would be to use insurance exclusively for emergencies/life-and-death situations/chronic illnesses, etc. and have people pay for their own routine visits. I know it would get pricey, and your 10 dollar co-pay might become $150 for the 10 minutes a Doc actually looks at you, but it would cut down on people running to a dermatologist for every zit or expecting every case of sniffles to be considered a medical crisis.

507 ggt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:40:36am

re: #500 iceweasel

Why are they ignorant of neo-natal care?

Because they don't have access to free education and free neonatal care.

Oh, Ice! People are ignorant because they are ignorant. No amount of education or health care is going to change that. Do you think social workers should go from house -to-house in search of pregnant women who need health care?

Many of the women who's babies die seem to have no problem getting other government services they want. They know how to work the system. And believe it or not, there are people who don't give a shit about their own children or their own health. No amount of nannying is gong to change that.

You can lead a horse to water . . .

508 opnion  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:41:21am

re: #504 Hengineer

Many cases they do have access to free education and free neonatal care, I just think they don't LOOK for it.

Are you suggesting that any pregnant woman rounded on on the street and gathered into a herd to provide free neonatal care? That's what should happen according to you. Our Country is VERY free, so even if there is free care, I bet many would still not even bother to exercise it.

A lot of mothers do not even seek medical attention until late in the third trimester. Doctors & nurses can talk until they are blue in the face
about neonatal care , but you can't force the new mother to comply.

509 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:41:40am

re: #504 Hengineer

Many cases they do have access to free education and free neonatal care, I just think they don't LOOK for it..

Why do you think that? The populations MOST at risk for high infant mortality in the US (the young, the poor) are also those LEAST likely to have health insurance, or be educated about their options!

Reine mentioned upthread that there is a health insurance problem in the US. She is right.

510 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:41:58am

re: #492 iceweasel

Fine.

We were talking about inadequacies in the US HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.

//So call me a twit and use caps and bitch as much as you like, dude, but it infuriates me and others when someone changes the topic and then screams at people for staying on topic. :)

Hey ice, where did Blue call you a bitch?

511 apachegunner  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:42:10am

it appears some people are too stupid to live anyway, kinda like dead skin cells sluffing off your body

512 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:43:00am

re: #510 Erik The Red

Hey ice, where did Blue call you a bitch?

Nowhere so far as I know. Where did I claim he or she did?-- No where.

513 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:43:02am

re: #500 iceweasel

Why are they ignorant of neo-natal care?

Because they don't have access to free education and free neonatal care.

The care isn't free - somebody paid for it.

I've posted a couple of times the links to the Louisiana system of health care for the indigent.

Several people here have pointed out that they were able to make use of similar systems in the states where they live in order to receive health care when they were unable to privately pay for it.

The issue is not health care, although the debate seems to always be framed that way.

The issue is health insurance, and the fact that the current administration would like, for those of us with health insurance, to remove our ability to make choices about our own health care, putting us all into a big government hopper of procedures and then having the government decide who gets the care.

514 ggt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:43:15am

re: #506 Lincolntf

One thing that could be somehow fashioned into a reasonable reform would be to use insurance exclusively for emergencies/life-and-death situations/chronic illnesses, etc. and have people pay for their own routine visits. I know it would get pricey, and your 10 dollar co-pay might become $150 for the 10 minutes a Doc actually looks at you, but it would cut down on people running to a dermatologist for every zit or expecting every case of sniffles to be considered a medical crisis.

Back to the old 80/20?

The cost of a routine visit would be reduced substantially if we did go to such a system. Doctors rarely get that $150. They are lucky if the insurance company pays 1/3 of that.

515 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:43:31am

re: #506 Lincolntf

One thing that could be somehow fashioned into a reasonable reform would be to use insurance exclusively for emergencies/life-and-death situations/chronic illnesses, etc. and have people pay for their own routine visits. I know it would get pricey, and your 10 dollar co-pay might become $150 for the 10 minutes a Doc actually looks at you, but it would cut down on people running to a dermatologist for every zit or expecting every case of sniffles to be considered a medical crisis.

Hah but you realize that insurance still pays for every single one of those visits, so the mini-Doctors would lose quite a bit.

I saw something advertised that would pair up with Wal-Mart. I don't know how well it panned out, but "Redi-Clinic". Basically it was a Clinic staffed by a PA or a RN, and they would be able to take care of the small stuff, and the co-pay and/or entire payment would be no more than $60 a visit.

516 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:44:24am

re: #513 reine.de.tout

NOLA sounds like it has a good system, from what you've posted.

517 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:44:51am

re: #509 iceweasel

Why do you think that? The populations MOST at risk for high infant mortality in the US (the young, the poor) are also those LEAST likely to have health insurance, or be educated about their options!

Reine mentioned upthread that there is a health insurance problem in the US. She is right.

I know, we all agree that the US Health Insurance system is a problem.

But we're all saying that the problem with the US Health care system is the Health Insurance System, the CARE part is second to none.

518 apachegunner  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:45:20am

re: #515 Hengineer

Hah but you realize that insurance still pays for every single one of those visits, so the mini-Doctors would lose quite a bit.

I saw something advertised that would pair up with Wal-Mart. I don't know how well it panned out, but "Redi-Clinic". Basically it was a Clinic staffed by a PA or a RN, and they would be able to take care of the small stuff, and the co-pay and/or entire payment would be no more than $60 a visit.


that is available at several places in SC. CVS for one.

519 ggt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:45:48am

re: #515 Hengineer

Hah but you realize that insurance still pays for every single one of those visits, so the mini-Doctors would lose quite a bit.

I saw something advertised that would pair up with Wal-Mart. I don't know how well it panned out, but "Redi-Clinic". Basically it was a Clinic staffed by a PA or a RN, and they would be able to take care of the small stuff, and the co-pay and/or entire payment would be no more than $60 a visit.

In Illinois, we have pharmacy's (Walgreens etc) that already provide such clinics. They work very well. Most of the RN's these days are more educated than doctors were even 50 years ago.

520 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:46:16am

re: #519 ggt

In Illinois, we have pharmacy's (Walgreens etc) that already provide such clinics. They work very well. Most of the RN's these days are more educated than doctors were even 50 years ago.

They cost less, too, while still provided many middle-class jobs.

521 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:46:16am

re: #512 iceweasel

Nowhere so far as I know. Where did I claim he or she did?-- No where.

Sorry went and re-read you comment. I have not even finished my first cup of coffee yet.
Back to lurking for now

522 Lincolntf  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:47:01am

re: #515 Hengineer

The Wal-Mart idea sounds great. Private sector always beats the public sector in things like this.
Physicals for school sports, scoliosis checks, all sorts of "minor but necessary" things could be done at a place like that.

523 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:47:15am
524 opnion  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:47:29am

re: #516 iceweasel

NOLA sounds like it has a good system, from what you've posted.

During the Hillary healthcare debate, former Colorado Governor Lamb spoke of the "Duty to Die". That's rationing & Americans will not like rationing.
The intent seems to be to drag our system down to European levels.

525 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:47:38am

re: #513 reine.de.tout

That's not the change I voted for, and I think a lot of other people didn't either.

It galls me though, that when others were told this would happen prior to the election, and what the consequences would be, they voted for that change anyway.

If people want a right to health care that's paid for by the taxpayers, then why not move to the countries that have that implemented?

Next thing you know, they'll be telling you they have a right to a new car, cable tv, free housing, etc.

526 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:48:12am

re: #489 BlueCanuck

I'm just saying that I love watching troll types having the shit slapped out of them. The polite dissenters are worthy of respect.

Yeah, who died and made me Miss Manners?...I know...

527 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:48:22am

re: #522 Lincolntf

"Yeah! Nothing like BIG CORPORATIONS taking over our health care industry to make it better, right?"

/i speak the language almost frighteningly well.

528 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:48:25am

re: #523 Hengineer

[Link: www.rediclinic.com...]

According to the website, they're located inside HEB stores, but as others have pointed out, Pharmacies like Walgreens sometimes offer their own small clinics as well.

529 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:48:43am

re: #513 reine.de.tout


The issue is not health care, although the debate seems to always be framed that way.

The issue is health insurance, and the fact that the current administration would like, for those of us with health insurance, to remove our ability to make choices about our own health care, putting us all into a big government hopper of procedures and then having the government decide who gets the care.

PERFECT way to put it.

530 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:49:21am

re: #525 rightside

That's not the change I voted for, and I think a lot of other people didn't either.

It galls me though, that when others were told this would happen prior to the election, and what the consequences would be, they voted for that change anyway.

If people want a right to health care that's paid for by the taxpayers, then why not move to the countries that have that implemented?

Next thing you know, they'll be telling you they have a right to a new car, cable tv, free housing, etc.

What annoys me about it is that they're still trying to push it, and push this supposed SECOND stimulus now through, and our budget is nowhere near balanced anymore. Where is this money going to come from?

/China out of left field.

531 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:49:54am

re: #526 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had to LOL with the MM reference. Speaking of which...

532 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:49:56am

re: #522 Lincolntf

The Wal-Mart idea sounds great. Private sector always beats the public sector in things like this.
Physicals for school sports, scoliosis checks, all sorts of "minor but necessary" things could be done at a place like that.

Anybody have any idea how fucking cool a 4.00 prescription is? Best thing going on in civilization, if you ask me. Cheap as hell and driven by market forces. I have a "money shot" every time I pick up a 4.00 prescription (and it's not even Viagra)!

533 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:50:34am

re: #532 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody have any idea how fucking cool a 4.00 prescription is? Best thing going on in civilization, if you ask me. Cheap as hell and driven by market forces. I have a "money shot" every time I pick up a 4.00 prescription (and it's not even Viagra)!

Best part about that is you can buy a new pair of underwear while you're still in Wal-Mart!

534 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:50:40am

re: #526 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mandy's dead!? D:

/braces

535 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:51:39am

re: #534 laZardo

Mandy's dead!? D:

/braces

No, silly! Miss Manners! The syndicated columnist! Judith Somebodyeruther!

536 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:51:52am

re: #530 Hengineer

What annoys me about it is that they're still trying to push it, and push this supposed SECOND stimulus now through, and our budget is nowhere near balanced anymore. Where is this money going to come from?

/China out of left field.


Here is one place.

537 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:51:54am

re: #509 iceweasel

Why do you think that? The populations MOST at risk for high infant mortality in the US (the young, the poor) are also those LEAST likely to have health insurance, or be educated about their options!

Reine mentioned upthread that there is a health insurance problem in the US. She is right.

I would suggest that there is a whole lot of people who don't care about their health care, free or otherwise.

Education, really, Ice, there is a constant barrage of information being doled out to young people and adults, in school, Tv, radio, public service this, public service that. Oprah and Dr. Phil have probably reach more people with health care information than any two people in the country.

No, if someone doesn't know what to do about their health, having babies any of that stuff, it's because they don't care, don't want to, have other serious mental or addictive problems, what ever, but it's not due to a lack of readily available information.

The "nannies" will keep telling you that the information is lacking because that's how they make a living, programs for this, programs for that, and these programs never seem to accomplish any goals, at least not any that has a measurable end in sight.

538 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:51:56am

re: #525 rightside

That's not the change I voted for, and I think a lot of other people didn't either.

It galls me though, that when others were told this would happen prior to the election, and what the consequences would be, they voted for that change anyway.

If people want a right to health care that's paid for by the taxpayers, then why not move to the countries that have that implemented?

Next thing you know, they'll be telling you they have a right to a new car, cable tv, free housing, etc.

Talk to FatBastardVegetarian about a recent experience he had re: the remodeling of a kitchen. Lady wanted it "free"; thought Obama was going to pay for it.

539 ggt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:52:45am

There is another aspect of this issue people don't seem to grasp. Health Care is a resource and therefore subject to the realities of economics.

Politicans don't like facts.

540 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:53:17am

re: #538 reine.de.tout

Talk to FatBastardVegetarian about a recent experience he had re: the remodeling of a kitchen. Lady wanted it "free"; thought Obama was going to pay for it.

You have got to be [deleted] me!

541 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:53:25am

re: #537 Walter L. Newton


The "nannies" will keep telling you that the information is lacking because that's how they make a living, programs for this, programs for that, and these programs never seem to accomplish any goals, at least not any that has a measurable end in sight.

Except to introduce feel-good programs that still cost the public $$, while employing MORE government clerks who do nothing but shuffle paper all day.

542 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:53:47am

re: #540 rightside

You have got to be [deleted] me!

I thought he had to be kidding.
He assured me he was not.

543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:54:01am

re: #540 rightside

You have got to be [deleted] me!

No [deleted].

544 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:54:33am

re: #538 reine.de.tout

Talk to FatBastardVegetarian about a recent experience he had re: the remodeling of a kitchen. Lady wanted it "free"; thought Obama was going to pay for it.

Remember that one lady who was interviewed on TV who was crowing about not having to worry about her mortgage, her credit, etc... any more?

545 Lincolntf  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:54:55am

re: #543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's what I call starting from a very bold negotiating position.

546 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:55:00am

re: #517 Hengineer

I know, we all agree that the US Health Insurance system is a problem.

But we're all saying that the problem with the US Health care system is the Health Insurance System, the CARE part is second to none.

Meh. That isn't what we started out talking about.

You can't say healthcare is a 'right' in the US if you only get that 'right' in proportion to your ability to pay for it.

You can't call it 'health care' when we treat it like a luxury: you get only what you can pay for.

You cant't say USA! is number one, when our infant mortality rates are so awful.

USA sucks ass on health care. To make people happier, I'll revise that to say USA sucks ass on providing health care to all its citizens.

Healthcare is a human right. The US leads the world on recognising and fighting for human rights, and providing them to her own citizens. That's why I hate it that the USA sucks ass on this issue.

///also, sucking ass isn't very healthy either.

547 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:55:09am

re: #543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No [deleted].

You have to wonder about all these [deleted]-for-brains out there.

548 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:55:21am

re: #543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No [deleted].

Was her name peggy joseph?

549 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:55:53am

re: #536 rightside

Here is one place.

"Like they were gonna need that extra mansion or yacht anyway."

//

550 Lincolntf  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:56:20am

"I will offer you nothing, but if you finish early you can give me 500 bucks. Deal?"

551 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:56:32am

re: #546 iceweasel

Meh. That isn't what we started out talking about.

You can't say healthcare is a 'right' in the US if you only get that 'right' in proportion to your ability to pay for it.

You can't call it 'health care' when we treat it like a luxury: you get only what you can pay for.

You cant't say USA! is number one, when our infant mortality rates are so awful.

USA sucks ass on health care. To make people happier, I'll revise that to say USA sucks ass on providing health care to all its citizens.

Healthcare is a human right. The US leads the world on recognising and fighting for human rights, and providing them to her own citizens. That's why I hate it that the USA sucks ass on this issue.

///also, sucking ass isn't very healthy either.

The human right is to be kept alive.

The human right is NOT to be provided free care to the life decisions you made that destroyed your own body. Should we provide free health care to smokers who, when they reach a ripe old age of 60 or so and develop lung cancer?

552 SurferDoc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:56:40am

re: #504 Hengineer

Many cases they do have access to free education and free neonatal care, I just think they don't LOOK for it.

Are you suggesting that any pregnant woman rounded on on the street and gathered into a herd to provide free neonatal care? That's what should happen according to you. Our Country is VERY free, so even if there is free care, I bet many would still not even bother to exercise it.

Actually, the clinic I work at part time has outreach workers who do just that. Try to round up people on the streets and door to door and get them to the free health care.

BTW, they are led by a community organizer.

553 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:56:45am

re: #544 Hengineer
I don't worry about my credit cards...
They weren't mine to begin with...
Oops..Bad,bad Loader...
Goodmorning all!

554 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:57:34am

re: #538 reine.de.tout

Talk to FatBastardVegetarian about a recent experience he had re: the remodeling of a kitchen. Lady wanted it "free"; thought Obama was going to pay for it.

Un
Fucking
Believable

555 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:57:35am

re: #552 SurferDoc

Actually, the clinic I work at part time has outreach workers who do just that. Try to round up people on the streets and door to door and get them to the free health care.

BTW, they are led by a community organizer.

Good for them, how many of those rounded up stay and actually partake of that though?

556 apachegunner  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:58:21am

re: #546 iceweasel it appears to me your a very unhappy person because of the unfairness of the american system. is there anything good about it in your mind?

557 badger1970  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:58:41am

Insurance companies aren't in the philanthropic business. They're out to make money by selling a service in which they hope you don't use. I supposed it's like warranties but with more paperwork and screwing the doctor.

I'm fortunate not to have something worse than bronchitis/ sinus infection combo in the last 10 years. I'm going against the odds but until I can find something for myself that I can afford on top of my other fiscal responsibilities, what other options do I have besides popping into a Next-Care clinic?

But this is my choice. The government can kiss my backside if they want to force their coverage on me.

558 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:59:29am

re: #536 rightside

Here is one place.

I can't believe they want to take 54k off of every million to fund this bullshit.

559 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:59:37am

re: #549 laZardo

"Like they were gonna need that extra mansion or yacht anyway."

//

We all know what happened last time:

"Most Americans celebrated as the ball fell in Times Square New Year's Eve. But for auto dealers this new year is especially sweet. January 1 marked the expiration of the federal luxury tax on cars, the last vestige of the destructive luxury tax package in the infamous 1990 budget deal," the Wall Street Journal says.

"Starting in 1991, Washington levied a 10 percent tax on cars valued above $30,000, boats above $100,000, jewelry and furs above $10,000 and private planes above $250,000. Democrats like Ted Kennedy and then-Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell crowed publicly about how the rich would finally be paying their fair share and privately about convincing President George H.W. Bush to renounce his 'no new taxes' pledge," the newspaper said in an editorial.

"But it wasn't long before even those die-hard class warriors noticed they'd badly missed their mark. The taxes took in $97 million less in their first year than had been projected — for the simple reason that people were buying a lot fewer of these goods. Boat building, a key industry in Messrs. Mitchell and Kennedy's home states of Maine and Massachusetts, was particularly hard hit. Yacht retailers reported a 77 percent drop in sales that year, while boat builders estimated layoffs at 25,000. With bipartisan support, all but the car tax was repealed in 1993, and in 1996 Congress voted to phase that out too. January 1 was disappearance day.

"The end of any federal tax is such a rarity that it's well worth celebrating. And the luxury-tax lesson of economic damage is worth keeping in mind as politicians begin to wail that President Bush's new tax proposals aren't punitive enough on the rich."

560 ggt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 5:59:52am

We have people that sue McDonald's because their coffee is hot. Is it really too hard to believe that women don't seek property medical care when pregnant?

561 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:00:45am

re: #537 Walter L. Newton

I would suggest that there is a whole lot of people who don't care about their health care, free or otherwise.

Education, really, Ice, there is a constant barrage of information being doled out to young people and adults, in school, Tv, radio, public service this, public service that. Oprah and Dr. Phil have probably reach more people with health care information than any two people in the country.

No, if someone doesn't know what to do about their health, having babies any of that stuff, it's because they don't care, don't want to, have other serious mental or addictive problems, what ever, but it's not due to a lack of readily available information.

The "nannies" will keep telling you that the information is lacking because that's how they make a living, programs for this, programs for that, and these programs never seem to accomplish any goals, at least not any that has a measurable end in sight.

Walter, on this I disagree with you. I have to take off now but I'll get back to you (btw, missed answering you last night when you left! will do that too)

In short, let me just say for now that I have known quite a few people who 'don't know' very basic things, and it isn't because they don't want to or never bothered to learn.

More soon-- take care

cheers, ice

562 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:01:18am

re: #546 iceweasel

Gosh,maybe when the "O" gets this taken care of we can ALL
be proud of America again!!
///

563 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:01:25am

re: #547 Hengineer

You have to wonder about all these [deleted]-for-brains out there.

I did my best not to be unkind. This is an entirely un-educated, poor woman who has heard so much shit about the free stuff, I can completely understand her confusion.

Probably wasn't as nice as I related the story the other day, simply because, well, it was a two and a half hour drive for me.

There are people out there who have zero experience with rational thought. I weep for them, I pity them. I do not hate them.

564 Lincolntf  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:01:57am

re: #561 iceweasel

"In short, let me just say for now that I have known quite a few people who 'don't know' very basic things, and it isn't because they don't want to or never bothered to learn."

Lemme guess, it's society's fault?

565 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:02:40am

re: #546 iceweasel

Meh. That isn't what we started out talking about.

You can't say healthcare is a 'right' in the US if you only get that 'right' in proportion to your ability to pay for it.

You can't call it 'health care' when we treat it like a luxury: you get only what you can pay for.

You cant't say USA! is number one, when our infant mortality rates are so awful.

USA sucks ass on health care. To make people happier, I'll revise that to say USA sucks ass on providing health care to all its citizens.

Healthcare is a human right. The US leads the world on recognising and fighting for human rights, and providing them to her own citizens. That's why I hate it that the USA sucks ass on this issue.

///also, sucking ass isn't very healthy either.

And the systems you see in Canada, Britain and France is "providing" health care?

We lead the world fighting for human right, well, maybe in some areas. But the same groups that are screaming about the "right" to healthcare in this country won't even make a simple statement about the treatment of Muslim women in other countries.

And what are you comparing our infant mortality rate to? You make that blanket statement and offer no facts, figures or proof.

If you read you comment over again, I see more emotion than reality. I'd rather approach this with facts and figures, no feelings and empty emotion.

566 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:02:51am

re: #563 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I did my best not to be unkind. This is an entirely un-educated, poor woman who has heard so much shit about the free stuff, I can completely understand her confusion.

Probably wasn't as nice as I related the story the other day, simply because, well, it was a two and a half hour drive for me.

There are people out there who have zero experience with rational thought. I weep for them, I pity them. I do not hate them.

Actually, at times I kind of envy them ...

567 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:03:11am

re: #566 CIA Reject

Actually, at times I kind of envy them ...

That too.

568 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:03:24am

re: #561 iceweasel

Walter, on this I disagree with you. I have to take off now but I'll get back to you (btw, missed answering you last night when you left! will do that too)

In short, let me just say for now that I have known quite a few people who 'don't know' very basic things, and it isn't because they don't want to or never bothered to learn.

More soon-- take care

cheers, ice

Day shift coming in, Hi Avanti!

569 Hengineer  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:03:45am

re: #563 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I did my best not to be unkind. This is an entirely un-educated, poor woman who has heard so much shit about the free stuff, I can completely understand her confusion.

Probably wasn't as nice as I related the story the other day, simply because, well, it was a two and a half hour drive for me.

There are people out there who have zero experience with rational thought. I weep for them, I pity them. I do not hate them.

And for that you have to blame the news media as well.

Ah well, what can you do , eh?

570 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:04:14am

re: #551 Hengineer

The human right is to be kept alive.

The human right is NOT to be provided free care to the life decisions you made that destroyed your own body. Should we provide free health care to smokers who, when they reach a ripe old age of 60 or so and develop lung cancer?

The answer to that would be NO, I suspect, under a Government's system of priorities, unless I choose and pay for my own care.

The whole issue of health care being a right is very frightening - the government will decide how that "right" is made available.

Health care is a benefit that has come to us here in the US because we as a nation are productive and wealthy, and health care is available to those who need it.

That some people have insurance and are able to go to a clinic that charges $150 a visit, while others must go to no-pay clinics for their care, does not mean that health care isn't available, or that the health care at the no-pay clinics is substandard in some way.

So again - the issue is always falsely framed in terms of health care, but what it's really all about is health insurance.

571 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:04:17am

re: #568 Walter L. Newton

Day shift coming in, Hi Avanti!


WTF, dude? I'm about to log off and you're being nasty to me?

572 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:04:19am

re: #551 Hengineer

To be honest, that's about the one thing keeping me from supporting a national health care system. It's not "why should I pay for someone else" as much as it is "why should I pay for someone else's intentional fuckups?"

573 ggt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:04:40am

re: #546 iceweasel

Meh. That isn't what we started out talking about.

You can't say healthcare is a 'right' in the US if you only get that 'right' in proportion to your ability to pay for it.

You can't call it 'health care' when we treat it like a luxury: you get only what you can pay for.


You cant't say USA! is number one, when our infant mortality rates are so awful.

USA sucks ass on health care. To make people happier, I'll revise that to say USA sucks ass on providing health care to all its citizens.

Healthcare is a human right. The US leads the world on recognising and fighting for human rights, and providing them to her own citizens. That's why I hate it that the USA sucks ass on this issue.

///also, sucking ass isn't very healthy either.

Health care is not a right, it is a resource. Like Food, clothing and Shelter it cannot be guaranteed. One must make one's own way in life.
Some people are good at it, others are not.

It has been this way from the beginning of time--unless one want to remain a child your whole life and have parents who will put up with it --there will be limitations one has to face.

NO amount of government intervention or money will change reality. Utopia is a fantasy. We live on Earth not Heaven.

574 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:05:15am

Mornin' folks. Sitting here with coffee and have ESPN on. They are doing the Jimmy V auction to raise mone for Cancer research. You talk about some cool stuff if you had a ton of disposable income. Mike and Mike come to your house to do their morning show, a all access, back stage pass to Monday night Football!

575 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:05:37am

re: #565 Walter L. Newton


We lead the world fighting for human right, well, maybe in some areas. But the same groups that are screaming about the "right" to healthcare in this country won't even make a simple statement about the treatment of Muslim women in other countries.

Boom! Awesome, dude.

576 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:06:09am

re: #573 ggt

Health care is not a right, it is a resource. Like Food,


Oh yeah?

The UN said food was a universal human right. The US voted in agreement,

That happened in 1948.

577 badger1970  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:06:14am

re: #546 iceweasel

Health care that is free is not a human right. Providing care for those who need it is the moral responsible thing to do but flip that coin. The person who received the care should be responsible and pay for it in order for another person to receive the same amount and quality of care. Too many leeches and not enough payers have brought many a health care provider to shut its doors.

578 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:06:26am

*sigh* internet went down. Sorry for the late response.

re: #492 iceweasel

I am sorry about yelling, but as I said I find it infuriating. Our public healthcare is funded by public "insurance". Meaning the government funds our healthcare. I linked some stats for the province of Ontario a couple of weeks back where out of our budget almost 40% of it went straight to healthcare. Think about that. 40% and I have to wait for hours to get attention in an emergency. That's 40% of almost 100 Billion, and our provincial population is 10 million plus. Explain how we have huge waiting lists for that size of population, with that amount of funding.

579 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:07:08am

re: #563 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I did my best not to be unkind. This is an entirely un-educated, poor woman who has heard so much shit about the free stuff, I can completely understand her confusion.

Probably wasn't as nice as I related the story the other day, simply because, well, it was a two and a half hour drive for me.

There are people out there who have zero experience with rational thought. I weep for them, I pity them. I do not hate them.

FBV - the story really wasn't so much about this woman, as it was about the fact that people have "heard so much shit about the free stuff". That is a terrible message, and the fact that it appears to be so commonly heard is the frightening part of this story.

580 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:07:21am

re: #578 BlueCanuck

You should have your own live-in Dr. with that kind of dough.

581 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:08:16am
582 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:08:46am

re: #571 iceweasel

WTF, dude? I'm about to log off and you're being nasty to me?

Oh, Ice, I think you're taking offense when none was intended, in any way.

583 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:09:39am

re: #579 reine.de.tout
Acorn did their part...
Well, they didn't have planes fling over with banners...
"...Vote Obama and Get FREE SHIT"...
I guess they didn't think it ...

584 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:09:43am

Arguing about health care are we? The gov't can't run Soc. Sec., Medicare, Medicaid, or the VA and you want them rationing your health care? It is a power grab, again. If you don't follow our guidelines, ie...no processed sugar, snacks, etc...we will limit your health care because the big gov't. nanny says these are bad!

585 ggt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:09:58am

re: #576 iceweasel

Oh yeah?

The UN said food was a universal human right. The US voted in agreement,

That happened in 1948.

And the UN is right o this one? In the US we have a Constituion that is the supreme law. It only recognizeds the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Again, I think that the Pursuit of healthcare may be a right. That does not mean that another's rights are my responsibility to provide or fund.

586 ggt  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:10:46am

I have to go.

Have a great day all!

587 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:11:02am

re: #578 BlueCanuck

*sigh* internet went down. Sorry for the late response.

I am sorry about yelling, but as I said I find it infuriating. Our public healthcare is funded by public "insurance". Meaning the government funds our healthcare. I linked some stats for the province of Ontario a couple of weeks back where out of our budget almost 40% of it went straight to healthcare. Think about that. 40% and I have to wait for hours to get attention in an emergency. That's 40% of almost 100 Billion, and our provincial population is 10 million plus. Explain how we have huge waiting lists for that size of population, with that amount of funding.

Just a wild guess on my part, but I'd say that it's because the government is involved.

Government is to money as black holes are to matter.

Which is why I don't want the government to handle my money for anything but the most basic of things that I cannot otherwise do for myself (like national defense).

588 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:11:04am

re: #571 iceweasel

WTF, dude? I'm about to log off and you're being nasty to me?

Ice, it was a little bit of humor. No sense of humor, and I thought that was the monopoly of the right.

589 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:11:19am

re: #574 pingjockey

Morning Ping! One ping only.

590 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:11:55am

Cheers, all. I do have to get going.

BTW, the US insurance system sucks, and something like 80 percent of americans agree. Just google.

Obama will force some changes through, and they'll probably suck. They'll definitely suck by the time Congress gets through with them.

PS: Yes, health care is a right. And the US has a moral duty to provide it to citizens.

I look forward to discussing it with you all down the road.

re: #582 reine.de.tout

Oh, Ice, I think you're taking offense when none was intended, in any way.

PS reine-- hope you're right; I'm sure you are. cheers, ice.

591 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:12:18am

re: #581 Ojoe

One thing I've noticed is that at this specific time of year, if it's sunny outside, the sun manages to get through the gap in my townhouse block (the view from my room is pretty much the office building right in front D: ) and light up my room with this amazing golden glow.

It's beautiful, especially since my 22nd birthday is on Sunday. This year it looks like I'm gonna be rained out though. ):

592 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:12:55am

re: #589 rightside
Heh. Morning back! Supposed to be pushing 100 here in eastern WA today and for some reason I can't get the motivation to get up and get going!

593 Millicent Islam  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:13:40am

re: #588 Walter L. Newton

Ice, it was a little bit of humor. No sense of humor, and I thought that was the monopoly of the right.

Ok, that's cool, my apologies again for taking it personally-- have to run, talk soon!

(mentioned this upthread too, sorry for the haste and lack of punctuation--i'm late)

Congrats again on your move to secret mtn lair with your honey!

xx ice

594 KenJen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:15:13am

Where do abortions fit in with this new health care plan? Would the govt have to pay for them? Anyone know?

595 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:15:26am

Hey Walter! Did you get moved up the hill okay? How's the view?

596 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:15:43am

re: #592 pingjockey

It's been relatively mild here this summer on temps. We haven't broken 90 more than once or twice this year. Must be all that gorebull warming.

597 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:16:30am

re: #587 CIA Reject

Your right, but the left lobbied for it. A left of center government implemented it. Now no one knows how to fix it. Everytime the right comes up with an idea it's considered class warfare by the left. Enough to make a grown man cry.

598 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:16:33am

re: #596 rightside
Yah! We've had a very cool summer so far, the cherry crop was two weeks late!

599 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:16:35am

I don't care what color ,economic burden,or whatever you are.
...Ebonic will not help you understand that smoking,heavy drinking,crack,coke,heroin,shooting at police,leaping off buildings,
driving wasted...etc
ARE all BAD things and will fuck up what's left of your life!
So ...Don't do it!!

600 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:17:29am

re: #589 rightside

You watched Hunt for Red October this weekend eh??

601 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:17:40am

re: #591 laZardo

In the deep summer the sun, at middle latitudes, rises north of east and sets north of west & it will illuminate from directions that it does not visit at other times of the year.

602 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:18:17am

re: #599 reloadingisnotahobby

Whutchu talkin 'bout, Reloading?

/gary coleman moment

603 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:18:47am

re: #600 reloadingisnotahobby

lol, no, I always refer to him as that. Great flick though, even with alec "you're a thoughtless little pig" baldwin in it.

604 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:19:52am

re: #595 pingjockey

Hey Walter! Did you get moved up the hill okay? How's the view?

All set up here. The view, well, it stinks, everywhere I look there is a mountain in the way :)
/

605 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:20:26am

re: #603 rightside

And Alec the Baldwin fired a GUN in that movie!!
Shocked I tells ya!
DVR'd it and finished last night!

606 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:20:47am

re: #576 iceweasel

Oh yeah?

The UN said food was a universal human right. The US voted in agreement,

That happened in 1948.

Awesome! I demand the right to a free lobster and steak dinner, right now! With some decent red wine!

607 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:20:59am

re: #600 reloadingisnotahobby

I'm picking up another .45 next month, and ammo is in short supply. Only thing at walmart is hollow point.

608 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:21:01am

re: #603 rightside
Did you ever see the All Hands issue about that movie? They gave Hollyweird some mad discounts for using navy ships, planes, etc...
Know the guy that was the helmsman. Sonar Tech Submarines Instructor and of course now I can't think of his name!

609 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:21:03am

re: #596 rightside

It's been relatively mild here this summer on temps. We haven't broken 90 more than once or twice this year. Must be all that gorebull warming.

I can only hope that this general mild summer means that it will come and pass and we'll rush right into fall and especially winter (which I LOVE) without just having a "late" hot summer.

610 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:21:55am

re: #604 Walter L. Newton
Mwahaha! That does happen when you move 8000 feet up into the Rockies!

611 badger1970  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:22:10am

re: #592 pingjockey

Stop stealing Texas' weather. /

612 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:23:09am

re: #604 Walter L. Newton

Walter,
Did your move come with a big ass snow blower??
You said...8000 frigging ft..
Someones having a white Christmas every year!
I'm sure Yuma Az. will be looking good for the holidays very soon!

613 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:23:30am

re: #611 badger1970
Oh Yeah. A buddy of mine works for GEICO, just moved from just north of San Diego to Dallas. His wife is a SoCal girl and she loathes the weather!

614 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:23:44am

re: #597 BlueCanuck

Your right, but the left lobbied for it. A left of center government implemented it. Now no one knows how to fix it. Everytime the right comes up with an idea it's considered class warfare by the left. Enough to make a grown man cry.

You have my sympathy. I hope we can avoid a similar fiasco here in the US but some folks here seem hell-bent on ramming it down our throats- and not because of some great sense of altruism or concern for "the poor" or "the children", but because it will provide an enlarged power base in the form of an expanded government bureaucracy from which patronage may be dispensed.

All at the expense of the taxpayers of course...

615 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:23:44am

re: #602 laZardo

No wa im saain...!

616 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:24:34am

re: #604 Walter L. Newton

All set up here. The view, well, it stinks, everywhere I look there is a mountain in the way :)
/

Nothing wrong with having a mountain in the way of the view, if you are into that sort of thing. Reason why one of my brothers is in the Rockies. Fell in love with Tolkiens descriptions of the Misty Mountains from "The Hobbit".

617 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:24:36am

re: #608 pingjockey

I did not, unfortunately. I do remember the one where Jack Nicholson pulled up to the Acom ladder in a boat while a Spru-can was anchored near France I think. The OOD shooed him away, didn't realize who it was. Finally, someone recognized him, called him back, he came on board for a tour. The crew all followed him around the boat, and he said he loved the Navy, and his line about sailors in "a few good men" was a joke. He gave out autographs, posed for pics, etc. They had a good time.

618 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:25:36am

re: #607 rightside

Order with friends bulk...Natchez supply.com I think..
I hear they are great to work with...
I've ordered only bullets from them!

619 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:25:41am

re: #614 CIA Reject
Yep. There is no altruistic motive here, it's all about securing more votes and power. I will admit there maybe some on the left side of the aisle who mean well, but the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

620 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:25:42am

re: #609 TheMatrix31

I grew up in the cold, and you can keep it, lol. When I finally retire, I am moving to Fla.

621 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:26:36am

re: #612 reloadingisnotahobby

Walter, Did your move come with a big ass snow blower?? You said...8000 frigging ft.. Someones having a white Christmas every year! I'm sure Yuma Az. will be looking good for the holidays very soon!

Up here, we can have a white Labor Day, white Thanksgiving, white April Fools day. It was 54 degrees last night.

622 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:26:43am

re: #607 rightside
Another??
I'm jealous!
I may not buy anymore!
No room!

623 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:27:04am

re: #618 reloadingisnotahobby

cool, I'll check them out. I just need some plinking rounds for the outdoor range.

624 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:27:08am

re: #619 pingjockey

Werd!

625 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:27:40am

re: #617 rightside
We had the black guy who played a doctor on "Emergency" or Squad 51 back in the day come aboard my destroyer for his 2 week reserve duty back in '78. That has been about it for famous folks for me.

626 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:28:02am

re: #621 Walter L. Newton

Up here, we can have a white Labor Day, white Thanksgiving, white April Fools day. It was 54 degrees last night.

Racist!!!

627 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:28:09am

re: #616 BlueCanuck

Nothing wrong with having a mountain in the way of the view, if you are into that sort of thing. Reason why one of my brothers is in the Rockies. Fell in love with Tolkiens descriptions of the Misty Mountains from "The Hobbit".

Of course, that was humor. I have a nice view down the gulch, up, more mountains, lots of Aspens and pine.

628 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:28:17am

re: #624 CIA Reject
What is weird?

629 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:28:39am

Hamas-style education

Suicide bomber's children watch live reenactment of their mother's death on Hamas TV

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

630 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:29:12am

re: #620 rightside

I grew up in the cold, and you can keep it, lol. When I finally retire, I am moving to Fla.

I'll definitely keep it ;)

I loathe the heat.

631 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:30:13am

re: #630 TheMatrix31

I'll definitely keep it ;)

I loathe the heat.

Me too. And the humidity.

632 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:30:13am

re: #628 pingjockey

What is weird?

"Werd" as in "Right On" (in Ebonics, I think...)

633 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:30:35am

re: #627 Walter L. Newton

Saw that after I posted. :)

/for some reason my funny bone is a little crippled this morning. Wonder why? Maybe I should make a run to the ER on my OHIP card. :p

634 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:30:42am

re: #632 CIA Reject
Okay. Me no habla ebonics!

635 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:31:03am

re: #620 rightside

I grew up in the cold, and you can keep it, lol. When I finally retire, I am moving to Fla.

I haven't seen that white shit since I left Cleveland 26 years ago. You can keep it.

636 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:31:26am

re: #627 Walter L. Newton

...and Elk,Deer, Fox,Bear, Cougar,Eagles...etc
Damn ! I think I'm pissed at you now!LOL

638 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:32:06am

re: #625 pingjockey

We had the black guy who played a doctor on "Emergency" or Squad 51 back in the day come aboard my destroyer for his 2 week reserve duty back in '78. That has been about it for famous folks for me.

Ron Pinkard

639 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:32:22am

re: #634 pingjockey

Okay. Me no habla ebonics!

Me neither really- that was my entire vocabulary!

640 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:33:35am

Later y'all.

641 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:33:40am

re: #638 rightside
That's him. I don't know why he was on my DD for reserve duty, but he was a nice guy.

642 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:33:42am

re: #622 reloadingisnotahobby

Another??
I'm jealous!
I may not buy anymore!
No room!

Always room for one more

643 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:34:18am

re: #641 pingjockey

Cool. I wasn't on the boat when JN came onboard, that was in an issue of all hands.

644 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:34:23am

By the way folks, please pray for our own realwest that his PSA test comes back with good news.

645 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:34:49am

Oh, I forgot to mention on small problem with Canadian healthcare as it stands. We are "insured" for hospital, and doctor visits. If you need medication and aren't on disability or welfare, it all comes out of your pocket unless you have a decent medical insurance. Healthcare doesn't cover medication dispensed outside of a hospital. Which for me sucks if I need antibiotics.

646 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:35:02am

re: #644 3 wood
Will do. We have been e-mailing back and forth.

647 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:35:18am

re: #642 rightside
HA! But only just barely!!!
SWEET!

648 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:35:22am

re: #644 3 wood

By the way folks, please pray for our own realwest that his PSA test comes back with good news.

Done. Is he having the test today? I thought he had all the test done a few weeks ago?

649 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:35:49am

The market is up over 1% at the open.

650 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:36:33am

re: #649 3 wood

The market is up over 1% at the open.

The recession is over! Whoopie!

/

651 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:36:42am

re: #648 Erik The Red

Done. Is he having the test today? I thought he had all the test done a few weeks ago?

He gets the results today.

When you see him, please encourage him folks.

652 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:37:02am

re: #649 3 wood

The market is up over 1% at the open.

Let's hope that our Fearless Leader keeps his teleprompter reading yap shut!

653 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:37:14am

re: #642 rightside

We and some other Lizards should buy an Island...
We already could defend one!
Ah... Work calls!!
Great day all!!

654 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:37:33am

St. Petersburg baby named Mahmoudahmadinejad

A family in St. Petersburg has called its newest addition Mahmoudahmadinejad in honor of the Iranian president of the same name, Gazeta.ru reports, citing Mekka, a local Muslim organization.

The boy is the sixth child of a Bangladeshi father and a Muslim mother from Leningrad Region.

A Mekka spokesman who had spoken to the boy’s mother told the news agency that “She likes the policies, the intelligence and the goodwill of the Iranian president” and that led her to name her child after him.

The woman told the new agency that “If we had to leave, I would not mind living in Iran, where there is stability and the president is not afraid of anyone except Allah.”

655 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:37:38am

re: #643 rightside
Ah ha. That must've surprised the hell out of the OOD! I had the CNO of the Mexican navy show up unannounced while we were in Acapulco. That was not entertaining! I was OOD and here comes a Admirals barge and a boatload of Gold Braid! Luckily the Co, XO were aboard and we managed to render proper honors as he came aboard.

656 Miss Trixie  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:38:16am

&#0934 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Another crazy week at the orifice and I'm just popping in to say "Herro!" and hope everyone has a fine day.

Meanwhile, Ireland has passed a Blasphemy Law. It's a slippery slope, folks, and soon to creep into other European nations then into North America. Freedom of speech? We don't need it if it offends the delicate sensibilities of 14th century savages living in the modern 21st century. It's gonna get bad and now that a (camel) toe-hold has been established in Ireland, expect a lot more seething and whinging for the same elsewhere.

Unbelievable. Ireland's doomed.

657 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:38:21am

re: #629 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hamas-style education

Suicide bomber's children watch live reenactment of their mother's death on Hamas TV

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Mickey Mouse watching his Hamas impersonator on YouTube.

658 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:38:37am

re: #654 NJDhockeyfan
The woman is obviously batshit crazy.

659 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:39:00am

re: #653 reloadingisnotahobby

We and some other Lizards should buy an Island...
We already could defend one!
Ah... Work calls!!
Great day all!!

I have the perfect Island, well... maybe not, I'm not sure where it is, er, not sure when it is.

660 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:39:12am

re: #651 3 wood

3wood, is there a way to email you? I don't see a blue nic, and I have a question for you regarding the upcoming health care fiasco, and I need your opinion on something.

661 KansasMom  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:39:32am

re: #654 NJDhockeyfan

St. Petersburg baby named Mahmoudahmadinejad

Why do people like this stay in the US? WHY?

662 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:39:32am

re: #654 NJDhockeyfan

St. Petersburg baby named Mahmoudahmadinejad

Then get the fuck out of here and go there, you morons.

663 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:39:48am

re: #654 NJDhockeyfan

St. Petersburg baby named Mahmoudahmadinejad

As in, that's his entire first name?

/ROFL

664 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:39:50am

re: #656 Miss Trixie

Good morning Miss Trixie. I would recommend using Camel nose versus that other word. :D

/don't want to go there, nope, not at all.

665 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:39:55am

re: #659 Walter L. Newton
You need that crazy pendulum, IIRC.

666 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:39:57am
667 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:40:44am

re: #655 pingjockey

LOL, there's always the stand-by line. "shitloads of gold, arriving!"

668 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:40:57am

Wow. I just had 20 minutes of "What goes up, must come down..."

re: #579 reine.de.tout

Oh, of course. I just want to make sure I am not speaking ill of this woman. That's all. As a metaphor.. she's perfect.

669 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:41:30am

re: #667 rightside
That'd go over well!

670 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:42:05am

re: #669 pingjockey

Just think, no more OOD watches LOL!

671 KenJen  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:43:16am

re: #654 NJDhockeyfan

St. Petersburg baby named Mahmoudahmadinejad

The will call him "Short Shit" for short.

672 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:43:53am

re: #670 rightside
Oh yeah. Sometimes I do miss sunrise, sunset at sea. I don't miss midwatch, maintenance on remotely operated valves in the dome overflow room, making out the PMS sched, doing evals 7 or 8 times until the dept head is happy, etc...!

673 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:44:06am

Obama is "paying" for ads to promote his disastrous government run socialized health care scheme. Hillary Care all over again.

...

In the ads, private citizens describe problems they've had with the medical system and say it's time for action. The sponsor is Organizing for America, Obama's campaign organization, which has become part of the national Democratic Party. The group would not reveal the cost.

/feel the power.

674 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:44:17am

re: #654 NJDhockeyfan

St. Petersburg baby named Mahmoudahmadinejad

I gotta feel bad for the kid, he's going to get some class A teasing over that name. That is really some parenting douchebaggery.

675 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:44:40am

re: #672 pingjockey
And if I go out on a boat now, I take BEER!

676 Miss Trixie  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:45:25am

re: #664 BlueCanuck

Good morning Miss Trixie. I would recommend using Camel nose versus that other word. :D

/don't want to go there, nope, not at all.

Yes you do. :D

677 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:45:44am

Later folks, off to work!

678 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:46:25am

re: #676 Miss Trixie

Yes you do. :D

OMFG. Eye bleach need STAT.

679 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:47:20am

Anyone watch the heartbreaking segment on one of CNN's various stations about the cruel captivity of primates used for medical research? The primates are kept in small cages for more than 20 years. The research community throws out the word "SCIENCE" and somehow we are supposed to not give a shit about these poor creatures. - made me ill.

680 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:47:51am

re: #676 Miss Trixie

Yes you do. :D

OMG Miss Trixie, you made me look at that on my first click here this morning! Brain bleach quick yuck, spit, spew ...

oh, morning all.

681 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:47:59am

re: #676 Miss Trixie

Oh that's just wrong. Shame on you Miss.

682 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:49:39am

re: #676 Miss Trixie

Oh you evil women you. Good thing I hover over links before clicking them. ;)

/poor guys...

683 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:49:45am

re: #678 Erik The Red

OMFG. Eye bleach need STAT.

Funniest de-motivation poster EVAH!

684 Miss Trixie  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:49:56am

Obumble's pitch - with audio.

Thanks, rightymouse. :)

685 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:53:05am

re: #676 Miss Trixie

I'd have the same reaction if I didn't have that "demotivational" among a whole folder of others I collected off of 4chan.

/ just lol'd.

686 Miss Trixie  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:53:15am

re: #682 BlueCanuck

Oh you evil women you. Good thing I hover over links before clicking them. ;)

/poor guys...

Smartypants.

Meanwhile, it's Dhimmitude in Dearborn!

687 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:53:46am

Have you all heard about the new 0 board game?

[Link: boudicabpi.wordpress.com...]

688 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:53:52am

re: #684 Miss Trixie

Good morning! I hope you are doing fine.

Thanks for the video link, but my 15 year old step-daughter throws better than Obama.

689 SurferDoc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:53:56am

re: #607 rightside

I'm picking up another .45 next month, and ammo is in short supply. Only thing at walmart is hollow point.

Buy it. Buy it all.

691 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:56:12am

re: #689 SurferDoc

I have to add to the collection.

Ok, am out of here. Good day Lizards.

692 laZardo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:56:24am

Gonna do some homework. BBL.

693 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:56:31am

re: #679 FrogMarch

Anyone watch the heartbreaking segment on one of CNN's various stations about the cruel captivity of primates used for medical research? The primates are kept in small cages for more than 20 years. The research community throws out the word "SCIENCE" and somehow we are supposed to not give a shit about these poor creatures. - made me ill.

Morning frog, when turn was going to UCD he got an on campus job working in the chemistry building. I cleaned glassware and stocked the labs with chemicals. They had these special elevators with doors that open up on both sides. One door opened up to sekrit laboratories and the other to routine labs, the sekrit door needed a key for t it to open. One day I just happened to be on the elevator with a lab technician dressed in a full length lab coat wearing a face mask who had the sekrit key and opened up the sekrit door. I'm telling you I was absolutely stunned. The whole room was wall to wall cages with monkeys strapped down in them with all different sorts of IV's, electrodes, you name it. All of them were looking at the sekrit door when it opened. The look in their eyes! Man it was scary, I'll never forget that.

694 Miss Trixie  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:56:42am

re: #688 Kenneth

Good morning! I hope you are doing fine.

Thanks for the video link, but my 15 year old step-daughter throws better than Obama.

Morning Kenneth - I'm very sure she'd knock em dead where Obumble would wet noodle 'em. He's such a pathetic empty suit that it boggles the mind.

695 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:58:20am

re: #693 turn

Poor lab kittehs!

696 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:58:26am

What We Can Learn From Canadian Health Care: Don’t Get Sick On Sunday

The scariest moment of the video? When a nurse tells Steve, after he’s informed that it could take two or three years to be assigned a primary care physician which needs to be happen before he can be seen in a clinic, not to worry because “You’re young, you have plenty of time.”

Of course, the amount of time Steve has left might hinge upon whether or not he gets to see a doctor in the next couple of years.

697 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:58:36am

re: #694 Miss Trixie

You should enjoy this then: Obama golfing...

Let's be charitable and admit he's not the next Tiger Woods. Best part is when his Blackberry goes flying off his belt clip.

698 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:58:44am

re: #660 rightside

I'll email you and then you can get back to me. How's that?

699 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 6:59:31am

re: #697 Kenneth

You should enjoy this then: Obama golfing...

Youtube Video

Let's be charitable and admit he's not the next Tiger Woods. Best part is when his Blackberry goes flying off his belt clip.

Do you think he could win a Special Olympics golf tournament?

700 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:00:09am

re: #695 Mad Al-Jaffee

Poor lab kittehs!

Morning mad, yeah I felt sorry for the little guys. I think it was AIDS research - SAIDS

701 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:00:59am

re: #700 turn

I feel bad for them too, but better them than people.

702 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:01:19am

re: #693 turn

Morning frog, when turn was going to UCD he got an on campus job working in the chemistry building. I cleaned glassware and stocked the labs with chemicals. They had these special elevators with doors that open up on both sides. One door opened up to sekrit laboratories and the other to routine labs, the sekrit door needed a key for t it to open. One day I just happened to be on the elevator with a lab technician dressed in a full length lab coat wearing a face mask who had the sekrit key and opened up the sekrit door. I'm telling you I was absolutely stunned. The whole room was wall to wall cages with monkeys strapped down in them with all different sorts of IV's, electrodes, you name it. All of them were looking at the sekrit door when it opened. The look in their eyes! Man it was scary, I'll never forget that.

Horrible. While the left whine endlessly about torturing 2 or 3 radical Islamic a-holes who masterminded the killing of 3000 innocents - we are quietly, endlessly... torturing primates in the name of "science".

703 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:01:22am

re: #697 Kenneth

Man, he's lifting up big time.

704 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:02:03am

re: #688 Kenneth

Good morning! I hope you are doing fine.

Thanks for the video link, but my 15 year old step-daughter throws better than Obama.

Oy. That was the topic of conversation all around me on this morning's train - "Did you see Obama pitch?" Not one person could admit that the man didn't throw very well. And this morning's sports news had a longer segment devoted to Obama at the All-Star Game than coverage of the game itself! I need a drink & and a shower.

705 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:02:04am

re: #654 NJDhockeyfan

The woman told the new agency that “If we had to leave, I would not mind living in Iran, where there is stability and the president is not afraid of anyone except Allah.”

Anyone care to start a collection for one way tickets? What are the odds that they would voluntarily leave the free West for Iran?

706 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:02:28am

"America sucks ass in healthcare"...not only is this statemen tentire wrong it sounds like a teenager said it...how can anybody be so stupid?

707 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:03:53am

re: #704 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I took a brief look at DU this morning and there was a thread about all of the racists booing Obama. Anyone who booed him was racist, and "freepers" and "fundies" probably bought blocks of tickets so they could fill the stands with "racists" and boo dear leader.

I cant make this shit up.

708 opnion  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:03:57am

re: #684 Miss Trixie

Obumble's pitch - with audio.

Thanks, rightymouse. :)


The One can't toss a baseball 60 feet? Has to have been sabotaged by the Criminal Bush.

709 SurferDoc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:05:56am

re: #707 Mad Al-Jaffee

I took a brief look at DU this morning and there was a thread about all of the racists booing Obama. Anyone who booed him was racist, and "freepers" and "fundies" probably bought blocks of tickets so they could fill the stands with "racists" and boo dear leader.

I cant make this shit up.

Going to DU is like walking through a high security mental institution where the staff has been on strike for a week and the patients have been rioting.

710 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:06:09am

re: #706 albusteve

"America sucks ass in healthcare"...not only is this statemen tentire wrong it sounds like a teenager said it...how can anybody be so stupid?

Hey al, did you see this?

[Link: gopleader.gov...]

I printed the thing out and it's sitting right here on my desk. I'm just sitting here scratching my head wondering, this cluster fuck is going to improve things? Good luck with that.

711 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:06:51am

re: #701 Mad Al-Jaffee

I feel bad for them too, but better them than people.

Yes I agree, none the less you can't help but feel sad about it.

712 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:06:57am

re: #709 SurferDoc

Going to DU is like walking through a high security mental institution where the staff has been on strike for a week and the patients have been rioting.

Yeah. It's also like swimming in a cesspool. I dip my toe in the cesspool occasionally (I find the site strangely fascinating and amusing), but I won't swim in it.

713 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:07:04am

re: #708 opnion

The One can't toss a baseball 60 feet? Has to have been sabotaged by the Criminal Bush.

So that's why they call them the Bush Leagues! Rove you magnificent bastard!

714 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:07:43am

re: #711 turn

I wonder if we would feel less for lab primates if they didn't look like little furry people.

715 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:08:42am

Sotolieor - the mediocre-at-best jurist - is spending another day obfuscating and biting her tongue.

716 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:08:55am

re: #706 albusteve

"America sucks ass in healthcare"...not only is this statemen tentire wrong it sounds like a teenager said it...how can anybody be so stupid?

Who said that? Sounds like some mouth-breathing clueless proggie.
Yes - the wonders of Canadian and Euro-style government run health care! Rationing, long wait lines, poor quality and high costs - coming to the US very very soon.

717 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:09:01am

Mornin' folks!

718 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:09:37am

re: #714 Mad Al-Jaffee

I know, their eyes could speak ... help me turn, help me. Like I say, I won't forget that.

719 SurferDoc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:09:44am

re: #712 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah. It's also like swimming in a cesspool. I dip my toe in the cesspool occasionally (I find the site strangely fascinating and amusing), but I won't swim in it.

I wonder how the few saner people over there convince themselves to keep going back day after day.

With a little imagination, you can practically see the feces smeared on the walls there.

720 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:10:13am

re: #709 SurferDoc

Going to DU is like walking through a high security mental institution where the staff has been on strike for a week and the patients have been rioting.

That's a journey I would want to make without an M4 with a BetaMag loaded, and 8 spare 30 round mags in reserve.

721 Picayune  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:10:16am

re: #703 turn


Keep that head down, Bama - throughout the swing! At least he hits it to the Right.

722 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:10:28am

re: #719 SurferDoc

I wonder how the few saner people over there convince themselves to keep going back day after day.

With a little imagination, you can practically see the feces smeared on the walls there.

That's called "transgressive performance art"

723 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:11:01am

re: #717 srb1976

Mornin' folks!

Morning srb, hey is that your daughter or grand daughter? cute!

724 Miss Trixie  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:11:04am

*sigh*

Gots to go - work beckons. BBL and have a fine day!
:)

725 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:12:26am
726 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:12:46am

re: #721 Picayune

It was odd enough watching a lefty hit it, let alone trying to diagnose it. I was going to say he better not quit his day job and then caught myself.

727 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:13:27am

re: #723 turn

Morning srb, hey is that your daughter or grand daughter? cute!

Thanks, that's my daughter Her Royal Stoutness = )
picture from her first birthday

728 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:14:05am

re: #719 SurferDoc Ah! the interwebs... giving a voice to paranoid shut-ins since the 1980s.

729 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:14:23am

re: #720 Dark_Falcon

That's a journey I would not want to make without an M4 with a BetaMag loaded, and 8 spare 30 round mags in reserve.

PIMF

730 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:14:33am

re: #684 Miss Trixie

Obumble's pitch - with audio.

Thanks, rightymouse. :)

I am shocked.

He throws like a guy who had contempt for sports as a kid and instead got involved in smoking pot and partying and then went off to college where he could put down anyone who was a jock, only to get stressed out several months into his presidential term at the prospect that he'd have to learn to throw a baseball for the all star game.

He throws like that - not that he is that. He just throws like such a guy.

731 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:14:52am

re: #727 srb1976

Thanks, that's my daughter Her Royal Stoutness = )
picture from her first birthday

Ha, her royal stoutness. You're probably the one who thought putting that sticker on her head was a real crack up .. ha

732 Picayune  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:15:13am

re: #726 turn

Yea, stay with golf, get some lessons, and give up the bowling! We now know he's not a god - can't hit a 1 iron.

733 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:15:37am

re: #716 FrogMarch

Who said that? Sounds like some mouth-breathing clueless proggie.
Yes - the wonders of Canadian and Euro-style government run health care! Rationing, long wait lines, poor quality and high costs - coming to the US very very soon.

re: #716 FrogMarch

Who said that? Sounds like some mouth-breathing clueless proggie.
Yes - the wonders of Canadian and Euro-style government run health care! Rationing, long wait lines, poor quality and high costs - coming to the US very very soon.

ice weasle, up thread...quite the amusing exchange...complete and total liberal disconnect

734 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:15:59am

re: #728 DaddyG

Ah! the interwebs... giving a voice to paranoid shut-ins since the 1980s.

I am not shut in. And who broke into my 900 square foot compound last night and touched my stuff?!

735 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:16:39am

re: #732 Picayune

[Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]

736 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:17:08am

re: #731 turn

Ha, her royal stoutness. You're probably the one who thought putting that sticker on her head was a real crack up .. ha

Actually, the sticker was her daddy's idea...and she really seemed to like it. = )

737 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:17:16am

re: #727 srb1976

Thanks, that's my daughter Her Royal Stoutness = )
picture from her first birthday


Awww. those are some kissable cheeks. I'm in between babies and grandbabies (kids are 9-20). I could use a good talcum powder and barf scented cuddle and a budda belly to nibble on about now. *sigh*

738 J.S.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:17:59am

re: #679 FrogMarch

No. but I did see a CNN segment with Dr. Sanjay Gupta on the Restaveks of Hati.

739 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:18:05am

re: #736 srb1976

I have a picture of my dog with a sticker from a banana on her head. Because she's bananas.

740 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:18:47am

The day awaits.

741 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:19:00am

leftist is a poor word to identify collective, Marxist, socialists...
progressive is chic and contemporary

742 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:19:02am

Boy survives 8-mile river ride on toy truck

VANCOUVER, British Columbia - A boy celebrating his third birthday was unhurt and apparently unfazed after he floated nearly eight miles down a river riding atop his toy truck, police said.

The boy's family was camping at a popular park near Fort St. John, in northeastern British Columbia, on Sunday when the boy wandered off unnoticed and somehow entered the nearby Peace River, Royal Canadian Mounted Police said Monday.

The boy's parents at first thought he was playing with other relatives at the campsite. But police were later alerted and had begun a search when a boater found the boy, and the toy, about 7.8 miles away.

743 Irish Rose  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:19:20am

Good morning, lizards!

Latest unofficial unemployment figures for the State of Michigan: nearly 1 out of every 4 Michiganders are unable to find full time work.

There are part time jobs out there, for the lucky few who are able to nab them. But they have zero benefits, the opportunistic employers require you to either constantly bounce shifts or be available to them 24/7, and they pay shit wages.

Where are all those jobs that the Obama administration promised us? And what's it going to take to turn the situation around?

It's too early to think. Must have more coffee.

744 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:19:54am

re: #736 srb1976

Even at that age they adore the attention .. I've got 25 and 17 year old boys, perfect in every way. The turnwife and I are blessed.

745 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:20:20am

re: #740 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The day awaits.

the red robin sings at twighlight!

746 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:20:44am

re: #737 DaddyG

We've got the Little Man (he's almost 5) and Her Royal Stoutness...she's a whole lot of fun, but we're right on the verge of the terrible 2's with her.

She throws a pretty world class tantrum, complete with stomping her tiny, tiny feet (almost more funny than annoying)

747 SurferDoc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:21:15am

re: #722 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's called "transgressive performance art"

Anal-aggressive performance art.

748 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:22:10am

re: #743 Irish Rose

Good morning, lizards!

Latest unofficial unemployment figures for the State of Michigan: nearly 1 out of every 4 Michiganders are unable to find full time work.

There are part time jobs out there, for the lucky few who are able to nab them. But they have zero benefits, the opportunistic employers require you to either constantly bounce shifts or be available to them 24/7, and they pay shit wages.

Where are all those jobs that the Obama administration promised us? And what's it going to take to turn the situation around?

It's too early to think. Must have more coffee.

In Michigan? Things aren't going to turn around from a long time. The state needs to figure out how to build things at a reasonable cost and that will mean adjustments by unions. Pending those developments, things won't really get better.

749 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:22:25am

re: #745 sattv4u2

the red robin sings at twighlight!

Oh no, we're not doing the bit with John's long mustache again are we? Last time we did that somebody ran out and blew up a train! :-)

750 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:22:27am

re: #742 NJDhockeyfan

dang, they didn't have a picture of the toy turck. What kind of toy truck floats like that anyway? Happy ending.

751 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:22:34am

re: #733 albusteve

ice weasle, up thread...quite the amusing exchange...complete and total liberal disconnect

"America sucks ass in healthcare" - Behold, the liberal brain.

What we need is less government intrusion and more competition. The democrats are lying when they promise that their government production will deliver lower costs and more competition. LYING. The government doesn't have to compete. The government is a bully. The government is a monopoly. The government is the mob. The government doesn't produce a damn thing; the government only takes and redistributes.

752 CynicalConservative  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:23:01am

re: #733 albusteve

ice weasle, up thread...quite the amusing exchange...complete and total liberal disconnect

That one definitely lives in her own little slice of alternate reality.

753 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:23:52am

re: #743 Irish Rose

Sales tax figures in NYS are down 10%, and the state budget, which was a mess this fiscal year, is going to be an abject disaster next year.

Rinse and repeat across the nation as states are spending more money than they're bringing in and all those tax rate hikes aren't going to do anything when revenues are slipping because people are out of work, aren't spending, and the tax hikes have a culmulative effect to drag the economy to a standstill.

Obama isn't hazarding a guess as to where the unemployment rates will level out - but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that well north of 10% is within reach by the end of the summer. The stimulus failed, just as its opponents said it would, and we're billions in the hole without any measurable effect - except maybe all those signs touting that this or that pork barrel project was paid for out of the porkfest.

Democrats are still under the woeful belief that you can tax your way out of a recession and more government spending will solve matters. All it does is delay the recovery and take money out of the private sector.

754 Picayune  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:24:12am

re: #735 turn

Ah, the Merry Mex, Lee Trevino. Followed Lee and David Graham at Houston Shell Open back in about "84. He kept us all in stitches all day with his quips.
Like Palmer, he fired for the pin from all over the course. Graham won it on the following day.

Lee started as a TX caddy, and never let adversity stand in his way - a real American success story.

755 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:24:12am

re: #743 Irish Rose

Even O is admitting the jobless rate is going to continue to go up and that the situation we are in is worse that the great depression - and he's trying to be optimistic!

756 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:25:06am

re: #751 FrogMarch

"America sucks ass in healthcare" - Behold, the liberal brain.

What we need is less government intrusion and more competition. The democrats are lying when they promise that their government production will deliver lower costs and more competition. LYING. The government doesn't have to compete. The government is a bully. The government is a monopoly. The government is the mob. The government doesn't produce a damn thing; the government only takes and redistributes.

ENTIRELY Concur.

757 solomonpanting  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:25:09am

If Bud Abbott and Lou Costello were alive today, their infamous
sketch, 'Who's on First?' might have turned out something like this:

COSTELLO CALLS TO BUY A COMPUTER FROM ABBOTT

ABBOTT: Super Duper computer store. Can I help you?
COSTELLO: Thanks I'm setting up an office in my den and I'm thinking
about buying a computer.
ABBOTT: Mac?
COSTELLO: No, the name's Lou.
ABBOTT: Your computer?
COSTELLO: I don't own a computer. I want to buy one.
ABBOTT: Mac?
COSTELLO: I told you, my name's Lou.
ABBOTT: What about Windows?
COSTELLO: Why? Will it get stuffy in here?
ABBOTT: Do you want a computer with Windows?
COSTELLO: I don't know. What will I see when I look at the windows?
ABBOTT: Wallpaper.
COSTELLO: Never mind the windows. I need a computer and software.
ABBOTT: Software for Windows?
COSTELLO: No. On the computer! I need something I can use to write
proposals, track expenses and run my business. What do you have?
ABBOTT: Office.
COSTELLO: Yeah, for my office. Can you recommend anything?
ABBOTT: I just did.
COSTELLO: You just did what?
ABBOTT: Recommend something.
COSTELLO: You recommended something?
ABBOTT: Yes.
COSTELLO: For my office?
ABBOTT: Yes.
COSTELLO: OK, what did you recommend for my office?
ABBOTT: Office.
COSTELLO: Yes, for my office!ABBOTT: I recommend Office with Windows.
COSTELLO: I already have an office with windows! OK, let's just say
I'm sitting at my computer and I want to type a proposal. What do I
need?
ABBOTT: Word.
COSTELLO: What word?
ABBOTT: Word in Office.
COSTELLO: The only word in office is office.
ABBOTT: The Word in Office for Windows.
COSTELLO: Which word in office for windows?
ABBOTT: The Word you get when you click the blue 'W'.
COSTELLO: I'm going to click your blue 'W' if you don't start with
some straight answers. What about financial bookkeeping? You have
anything I can track my money with?
ABBOTT: Money.
COSTELLO: That's right. What do you have?
ABBOTT: Money.
COSTELLO: I need money to track my money?
ABBOTT: It comes bundled with your computer.
COSTELLO: What's bundled with my computer?
ABBOTT: Money.
COSTELLO: Money comes with my computer?
ABBOTT: Yes. No extra charge.
COSTELLO: I get a bundle of money with my computer? How much?
ABBOTT: One copy.
COSTELLO: Isn't it illegal to copy money?
ABBOTT: Microsoft gave us a license to copy Money.
COSTELLO: They can give you a license to copy money?
ABBOTT: Why not? THEY OWN IT!

(A few days later)
ABBOTT: Super Duper computer store. Can I help you?
COSTELLO: How do I turn my computer off?
ABBOTT: Click on 'START'...

758 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:25:27am

re: #746 srb1976 Heh. My oldest daughter is the most stubborn soul on the face of the earth. Fortunately she chooses to do the right thing most of the time. Her terrible twos lasted from birth until age 8.

The best advice I ever got from my Dad on parenting was this: "remember when they are 2 and when they are teens; saying no is their way of trying to establish themselves as independent human beings."

That advice put a lot of things in perspective. Anyway- they are always worth having around even on stubborn days.

759 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:25:33am

re: #743 Irish Rose

re: #753 lawhawk

Anothre big reason sales tax figures are down in the state is because millionares are flocking OUT of NYC
They're heading to more tax freindly states, taking their dollars spent on "luxury items" with them

760 SecondComing  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:26:08am

re: #684 Miss Trixie

Obumble's pitch - with audio.

Thanks, rightymouse. :)

The video now says: "Sorry the video is no longer available"

761 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:26:10am

re: #738 J.S.

No. but I did see a CNN segment with Dr. Sanjay Gupta on the Restaveks of Hati.

Another heart-breaking problem.

762 Spider Mensch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:26:19am

re: #733 albusteve

ice weasle, up thread...quite the amusing exchange...complete and total liberal disconnect

somehow the Simpsons quote about Lisa comes to mind... " Oh great! here comes Lisa Simpson, the answer to the question nobody has asked."

763 SurferDoc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:26:34am

re: #757 solomonpanting

upding! very funny!

764 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:26:48am

Greetings from Michigan, Lizardim!

765 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:27:22am

re: #750 turn

dang, they didn't have a picture of the toy turck. What kind of toy truck floats like that anyway? Happy ending.

He might be the next Evil Knievel.

766 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:27:48am

re: #752 CynicalConservative

That one definitely lives in her own little slice of alternate reality.

and you wonder why I consider liberals the most dangerous influence on American culture and society...these people are utter poison and are ruining this country...hyperbole?...think about it...it's very difficult for me to be nice to them

767 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:28:34am

BBIAB

768 CynicalConservative  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:29:10am

re: #766 albusteve

and you wonder why I consider liberals the most dangerous influence on American culture and society...these people are utter poison and are ruining this country...hyperbole?...think about it...it's very difficult for me to be nice to them

Oh, I don't wonder at all, I'm right there with you.

769 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:29:17am

re: #381 iceweasel

WTF?

The world disagrees.

Don't talk about "the world" like it is some unified entity that can speak and think.

770 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:29:29am

re: #751 FrogMarch

"America sucks ass in healthcare" - Behold, the liberal brain.

Those are the same people who saw "Sicko" and believed it was the gospel truth. Frightening.

771 bloodnok  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:29:35am

re: #762 Spider Mensch

somehow the Simpsons quote about Lisa comes to mind... " Oh great! here comes Lisa Simpson, the answer to the question nobody has asked."

Nice pile-on of someone who isn't even here to defend themselves.

772 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:29:44am

re: #765 NJDhockeyfan

No, it would have been a motor cycle!
/
bbml

773 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:30:02am

BREAKING:

First US Senate panel passes healthcare bill

WASHINGTON, July 15 (Reuters) - The Senate Health Committee passed on Wednesday its version of legislation to overhaul the U.S. health industry, which is to be combined with a bill yet to be written in the Senate Finance Committee.

The health panel's bill, which passed along a party-line 13-10 vote, would seek to expand coverage to many of the 46 million uninsured Americans, add a government-run healthcare program, require most Americans to obtain health insurance, and mandate most employers to provide it to their workers. The legislation also would seek to reduce costs in the $2.5 trillion U.S. healthcare industry.

774 Irish Rose  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:30:18am

re: #716 FrogMarch

Who said that? Sounds like some mouth-breathing clueless proggie.
Yes - the wonders of Canadian and Euro-style government run health care! Rationing, long wait lines, poor quality and high costs - coming to the US very very soon.

As bad as it is, it's still better than NO healthcare.

People shouldn't have to suffer and die because they have no access to a doctor and medications, or can't afford them because they're forced to work for low wages that disqualify them for Medicare and Medicaid, but it happens all the time in this country. Americans are punished by the system, if they want to work.

Some people stay on Medicaid and choose not to work because their very lives depend on it... they would literally die, if they had to go back to work for low wages and lose their access to healthcare and medications.

The healthcare system in this country is thorougly currupt, and broken beyond repair. I don't know what the solution is, but I do know that for most low income workers socialized healthcare is better than nothing.

And don't think that it doesn't pain me to say so.

775 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:30:27am

re: #755 turn

Even O is admitting the jobless rate is going to continue to go up and that the situation we are in is worse that the great depression - and he's trying to be optimistic!

If he said we are in worse shape then the great depression, Obama is dead wrong. Unemployment will continue to go up for a few months, but the rate is slowing weekly.

776 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:32:14am

re: #762 Spider Mensch

somehow the Simpsons quote about Lisa comes to mind... " Oh great! here comes Lisa Simpson, the answer to the question nobody has asked."

the other day she wrote an entire long page of windy prose, in total agreement and saying the exact same thing lawhawk wrote...she has a desperate need to express her 'intellect'...I'm underwhelmed

777 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:32:15am

re: #770 MrSilverDragon

Those are the same people who saw "Sicko" and believed it was the gospel truth. Frightening.

Castro(D) - Dictator for life, gives his people "free" heath care. It just so happens that it sucks. Michael Moore(D), the left's bloated mascot, left that part out.

/drink the kool aide oh ye faithful proggies.

778 CynicalConservative  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:32:32am

re: #771 bloodnok

Nice pile-on of someone who isn't even here to defend themselves.

Well excuse the fuck out of us for not keeping the same hours as everyone else and also wanting to express our opinion. Here, have a martyr cookie.

Seesh

779 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:33:09am

re: #775 avanti

If he said we are in worse shape then the great depression, Obama is dead wrong. Unemployment will continue to go up for a few months, but the rate is slowing weekly.

Correct

SO ,,, seeing that over 95% of "stimulus monies" aren't even in the pipelne yet (not even SCHEDULED to be in the pipeline for another 6-12 months) we can attribute this too,,,

(I just want to see how you're going to credit Obama with it)

780 Spider Mensch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:33:21am

re: #771 bloodnok

Nice pile-on of someone who isn't even here to defend themselves.


be sure to tell her.

781 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:34:13am

re: #771 bloodnok

Nice pile-on of someone who isn't even here to defend themselves.

I don't care anymore...that was noble once...some of these posters are nearly insane

782 Irish Rose  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:34:20am

re: #764 Cato the Elder

Greetings from Michigan, Lizardim!

Good morning, Cato!

I have a beautiful photo on my blog that I took over the Lake last night, go check it out.

Did you have some rain where you are?

783 Picayune  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:34:35am

re: #757 solomonpanting


'Outstanding!" I recall this one:

Customer: "Thanks for fixing my computer, techie, I thought I had broken or ruined it. What happened with it.

Techie: "Oh, not much, we found that there was a loose nut in front of the keyboard. That'll be $ 60, please.

784 CynicalConservative  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:34:59am

re: #781 albusteve

I don't care anymore...that was noble once...some of these posters are nearly clearly insane

FTFY

785 CynicalConservative  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:35:28am

Work calls, bbl.

786 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:36:06am

re: #783 Picayune

Techie: "Oh, not much, we found that there was a loose nut in front of the keyboard. That'll be $ 60, please.

Was the Techie in front of the keyboard when he said that?/

787 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:37:30am

Wow! Everyone here is sleeping in LATE, not a peep out of either kid yet...

788 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:37:51am

re: #774 Irish Rose

It is not thoroughly corrupt. Medicaid and Medicare are broken because they are unsustainable government programs. More government is not the answer.

[Link: www.rockymountainnews.com...]

789 Picayune  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:38:47am

re: #786 midwestgak

No, behind the cash register, grinning!

790 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:39:21am

Yesterday, Bill got a pack of eight cat play balls.

/he's already lost four of them somewhere

791 wintercat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:39:58am

I just read Sarah Palin's op ed in the Washington Post. It was really written by her? I looked on the SarahPac site to see if there has been any reference to it but saw nothing. Some people were saying it is a fake. Does anyone here know anything about this?

792 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:40:13am

re: #696 NJDhockeyfan

Great video report. I would like to counter Michael Moore's assertion that the Canadian healthcare system is "free". It is not free. We pay for it.

Canada's healthcare spending is expected to reach $171.9 billion, or $5,170 per person, in 2008. Health expenditures are expected to be 10.7% of the gross domestic product.

My experience with the Canadian healthcare system has been mixed.
My daughter has a serious medical condition and has required numerous medical tests, specialized treatment & prescription drugs. When I first took her to the hospital over a year ago, we had to wait 19 hours to get her admitted. The treatment she eventually got was excellent, but that was really the result of a random event: the hospital I took her too was full, so she was diverted to another hospital, which happened to have excellent staff. I have since learned that the another hospital she might have been sent to provided very low quality treatment.

Her medication is not covered by medicare, but it is covered by my employer health insurance, to which I make significant contributions via payroll deductions. If I did not have the coverage, I would have to be on welfare to get gov't funded drugs. Otherwise, I'd pay the full price. My daughter requires a specialized residential treatment program with a school program on site. The gov't pays the full bill for this. There were few spaces available & was lucky to get her in with only a short wait. I have looked at similar programs in the US and I could not afford to pay for that (I don't know if US private health insurance plans would cover it.) She also requires additional specialized therapy, not covered by either the gov't or the employer health insurance. This costs me $600/month.

All in all, I pay high taxes, get long waits for tests (4 months to get an EEG test, 6 months for an MRI), and I pay for extra fees and service charges, and specialized therapy. New treatments I have read about in the US are not available, & technology is sometimes 10 or 20 years behind the US. The treatment quality is usually good, sometimes excellent and sometimes bad. I have no control over the quality: I get what is available where I can get it, when I can get it. Hospitals are always crowded, some of them are dirty, and the staff is overworked & sometimes pretty grumpy.

My question for my American friends is, "Do you really want to go there?"

793 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:40:22am

re: #790 Killian Bundy

Yesterday, Bill got a pack of eight cat play balls.

/he's already lost four of them somewhere

check your shoes before you put them on (an important step anytime you're living with a cat)

794 tfc3rid  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:40:27am

Regarding the tax discussion and the cost of living nightmare here, the fiancee has been otified by her company that they have a job opportunity for her in their Southeast region HQ in Atlanta for work with higher pay than what she gets in NYC...

Guess now it's time for me to see if my company of 9+ years will allow me to stay and move to their ATL office...

795 tfc3rid  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:41:01am

re: #791 wintercat

I just read Sarah Palin's op ed in the Washington Post. It was really written by her? I looked on the SarahPac site to see if there has been any reference to it but saw nothing. Some people were saying it is a fake. Does anyone here know anything about this?

Why would it be on her SarahPAC site? If you follow her via Twitter you will know she mentioned it there...

796 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:41:31am

re: #791 wintercat

I just read Sarah Palin's op ed in the Washington Post. It was really written by her? I looked on the SarahPac site to see if there has been any reference to it but saw nothing. Some people were saying it is a fake. Does anyone here know anything about this?

fake?...like BOs books?...why would it be fake?

797 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:41:32am

re: #766 albusteve

and you wonder why I consider liberals the most dangerous influence on American culture and society...these people are utter poison and are ruining this country...hyperbole?...think about it...it's very difficult for me to be nice to them

I take comfort in this. We know their ideas, policies and practices are doomed. They don't know it.

We the dust settles, the self reliant, the self motivated, the ones that don't need a nanny state will be the ones still standing.

I just smile at them, knowing something they don't. That if they figure out life for themselves, and depend on the government they are going to be in a world of hurt.

Look at CA, it's close to collapse, all those whose entire existence and sustenance depends on the State are suddenly going to be very lonely, cold and hungry.

798 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:41:48am

re: #791 wintercat

I just read Sarah Palin's op ed in the Washington Post. It was really written by her? I looked on the SarahPac site to see if there has been any reference to it but saw nothing. Some people were saying it is a fake. Does anyone here know anything about this?

THe only thing I've heard was the "it must be fake, because she's not smart enough to write it" argument

799 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:42:30am

re: #779 sattv4u2

Correct

SO ,,, seeing that over 95% of "stimulus monies" aren't even in the pipelne yet (not even SCHEDULED to be in the pipeline for another 6-12 months) we can attribute this too,,,

(I just want to see how you're going to credit Obama with it)

We can't credit anyone. recessions come, recessions go. Both sides made major mistakes to get us in, but we can't be sure what brings us out. The main thing the right must worry about is that if and when it does recover, the public will give the POTUS the credit.
If the right continues to play the doom and gloom and party of no game, they'd better pray for major administration failures.
If the economy recovers and we get heath care for example, the right missed a chance to get some credit.

800 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:43:14am

re: #794 tfc3rid

Regarding the tax discussion and the cost of living nightmare here, the fiancee has been otified by her company that they have a job opportunity for her in their Southeast region HQ in Atlanta for work with higher pay than what she gets in NYC...

Guess now it's time for me to see if my company of 9+ years will allow me to stay and move to their ATL office...

COME DOWN ,,, NOW


I lived in Boston most of my life. Took a job with an international company about 11 years ago. A year after I started working for them they told me I was being transferred to Atlanta

Just an example of "cost of living". What I was paying for insurance for one vehicle in Boston, I have the same coverage for 3 in Atlanta
What I paid in property taxes PER QUARTER in Boston I'm paying a little more than that PER YEAR HERE ,, with a bigger house and MUCH more land

801 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:43:42am

re: #775 avanti

For now.

802 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:44:31am

re: #799 avanti

We can't credit anyone. recessions come, recessions go. Both sides made major mistakes to get us in, but we can't be sure what brings us out. The main thing the right must worry about is that if and when it does recover, the public will give the POTUS the credit.
If the right continues to play the doom and gloom and party of no game, they'd better pray for major administration failures.
If the economy recovers and we get heath care for example, the right missed a chance to get some credit.


Yes we can ,, it's called the FREE MARKET. It always has and always will correct itself IF the gov't stays out of it, for the most part

803 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:44:41am
804 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:44:44am

re: #800 sattv4u2

heh, and Atlanta is one of the more expensive cities, too...

(I love rural alabama)

805 wintercat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:45:09am

re: #795 tfc3rid

Why would it be on her SarahPAC site? If you follow her via Twitter you will know she mentioned it there...


I'm am not a twitterer. She has news on SarahPac. I thought it might be mentioned.

806 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:45:23am

re: #791 wintercat

Since we all know Sarah Palin is a drooling idiot, because Tiny Fey said so, then she could not have written that intelligent and articulate op-ed. At least that's the standard liberal response.

807 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:45:37am

re: #798 srb1976

THe only thing I've heard was the "it must be fake, because she's not smart enough to write it" argument

Yet these same people will (mis)quote the same article as PROOF POSITIVE of how "evil" she is!

808 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:45:44am

re: #797 jcm

good advice...but I'm patriotic and I hate seeing America slammed over and over for problems caused by the very people that shamelessly that take advantage of our liberties...but I will try to keep your words in mind

809 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:46:28am

re: #743 Irish Rose

Where are all those jobs that the Obama administration promised us? And what's it going to take to turn the situation around?

Don't worry, nationalizing health care and passing Cap and Trade will magically take care of all that.

And it's all Bush's fault.

/channeling left wing taking points

810 wintercat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:46:49am

re: #796 albusteve

fake?...like BOs books?...why would it be fake?

Some people are saying it is. I was just wondering if it in fact was.

811 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:47:09am

re: #799 avanti

We can't credit anyone. recessions come, recessions go. Both sides made major mistakes to get us in, but we can't be sure what brings us out. The main thing the right must worry about is that if and when it does recover, the public will give the POTUS the credit.
If the right continues to play the doom and gloom and party of no game, they'd better pray for major administration failures.
If the economy recovers and we get heath care for example, the right missed a chance to get some credit.

an expression of complete ignorance...only an idiot or a moby would say such a thing

812 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:47:24am

re: #807 CIA Reject

Yet these same people will (mis)quote the same article as PROOF POSITIVE of how "evil" she is!

Oh yeah, I know...I find it (mostly) amusing myself...the best one was someone saying that she had no right to write it and the Post had no business publishing it (I think that came from huffpo)...kind of funny there

813 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:47:37am

re: #743 Irish Rose

Good morning, lizards!

Latest unofficial unemployment figures for the State of Michigan: nearly 1 out of every 4 Michiganders are unable to find full time work.

There are part time jobs out there, for the lucky few who are able to nab them. But they have zero benefits, the opportunistic employers require you to either constantly bounce shifts or be available to them 24/7, and they pay shit wages.

Where are all those jobs that the Obama administration promised us? And what's it going to take to turn the situation around?

It's too early to think. Must have more coffee.

Still have not heard from the job I interviewed for 3 weeks ago. But I did get a call from a recruiter yesterday for another opportunity. Meanwhile, my only source of income is The Zionist Mall.

814 Irish Rose  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:47:38am

re: #784 CynicalConservative

FTFY

Everyone has a right to their opinion.

Just because you think another persons' opinion is "insane" doesn't mean that it is. And it doesn't necessarily mean that your opinion is the correct one, either.

Good things to keep in mind, when you're debating in a public forum.

815 CommonCents  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:48:41am

re: #792 Kenneth

My question for my American friends is, "Do you really want to go there?"

I'm hoping that was rhetorical. The answer is "Hell no!".

816 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:48:55am

re: #771 bloodnok

Well some of us did the pile on while she was here.

817 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:49:21am

re: #808 albusteve

good advice...but I'm patriotic and I hate seeing America slammed over and over for problems caused by the very people that shamelessly that take advantage of our liberties...but I will try to keep your words in mind

I'm not giving up the fight. I spent lunch yesterday explaining the advantages of nuclear to an engineer of all people. I rather not endure a disaster, so I'll continue. The next few years are a golden opportunity, to explain the clear advantage of Life, Liberty, Property.

818 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:49:38am

re: #814 Irish Rose

Everyone has a right to their opinion.

Just because you think another persons' opinion is "insane" doesn't mean that it is. And it doesn't necessarily mean that your opinion is the correct one, either.

Good things to keep in mind, when you're debating in a public forum.

"America sucks ass at healthcare"...nuance that

819 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:49:53am

re: #753 lawhawk

Obama isn't hazarding a guess as to where the unemployment rates will level out - but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that well north of 10% is within reach by the end of the summer.

Assuming Cap and Trade and health care get passed, I estimate 12% unemployment and holding. Now that the Democrats are in charge, the days of 5% unemployment are a thing of history books.

820 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:50:23am

Gee, there's already an acute doctor shortage.

/let's add 25 million new patients and soak small business to pay for it, brilliant!

821 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:50:29am
822 SurferDoc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:51:18am

If someone asserts a "right to health care" and a "right to food" it is a safe bet that even their contrail will draw flak after they have left.

823 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:51:44am

re: #820 Killian Bundy

Gee, there's already an acute doctor shortage.

/let's add 25 million new patients and soak small business to pay for it, brilliant!


Add to that potential limits on what doctors can charge the government for services and the shortage becomes worse.

824 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:52:25am

re: #754 Picayune

Lee started as a TX caddy, and never let adversity stand in his way - a real American success story.

Jack Nicklaus said that Trevino was the only golfer he ever looked over his shoulder at, that Trevino had more pure game than he did.

Downside was Trevino got hit by lightening and the resulting physical problems shortened his time at the top of his game.

825 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:52:56am

re: #806 Kenneth

Since we all know Sarah Palin is a drooling idiot, because Tiny Fey said so, then she could not have written that intelligent and articulate op-ed. At least that's the standard liberal response.

As much as I like her, and I hate to say it, but I think that this is the ultimate reason why Gov. Palin is finished as a figure in national politics. She can be Buckminster Fuller in a skirt for the rest of her life, but whenever she opens her mouth all the average couch potato (read "voter") is going to hear is Tina Fey saying "I can see Russia from my house".

Gov Palin has been "Quayled", to use a technical term., and it's a damn shame...

826 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:53:16am

re: #822 SurferDoc

If someone asserts a "right to health care" and a "right to food" it is a safe bet that even their contrail will draw flak after they have left.

they obviously have not read, or worse, disregard Buzz's brilliant dissertation on 'Human Rights'

827 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:53:26am

re: #755 turn

Even O is admitting the jobless rate is going to continue to go up and that the situation we are in is worse that the great depression - and he's trying to be optimistic!

He's moving the goal posts is what he's doing.

828 bloodnok  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:53:39am

re: #778 CynicalConservative

Well excuse the fuck out of us for not keeping the same hours as everyone else and also wanting to express our opinion. Here, have a martyr cookie.

Seesh

It's common etiquette, but keep going. It's interesting reading. /

829 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:55:02am

re: #819 3 wood

Assuming Cap and Trade and health care get passed, I estimate 12% unemployment and holding. Now that the Democrats are in charge, the days of 5% unemployment are a thing of history books.

/two massive job killers that will both lower the standard of living in this country

830 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:55:51am

re: #813 Alouette

Still have not heard from the job I interviewed for 3 weeks ago. But I did get a call from a recruiter yesterday for another opportunity. Meanwhile, my only source of income is The Zionist Mall.

Have you called them? They might actually give an answer. (One company never returned my calls. Another told me they found a better candidate - but the job was still being posted. )
But it does show you're interested.

831 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:55:54am

re: #825 CIA Reject

Reagan was written off by the liberal media as an idiot when he first ran in 1976. He taught them something in 1980.

832 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:56:11am

re: #825 CIA Reject


I know it's a bit unrealistic of me, but I think that if anyone can overcome the kind of press she's been getting, she's the one to try...

Upside, if does manage to make herself heard over the noise, there's really nothing left to throw at her...at this point what could anyone add?

833 SurferDoc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:56:31am

re: #825 CIA Reject

As much as I like her, and I hate to say it, but I think that this is the ultimate reason why Gov. Palin is finished as a figure in national politics. She can be Buckminster Fuller in a skirt for the rest of her life, but whenever she opens her mouth all the average couch potato (read "voter") is going to hear is Tina Fey saying "I can see Russia from my house".

Gov Palin has been "Quayled", to use a technical term., and it's a damn shame...

Quayle didn't have the chops to come back from what was done to him. Sarah just might. She is tough, very determined and most important, they say she is vengeful. If she told me "I'm going to whip their asses." I'd put my money on her.

834 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:56:31am

re: #823 eschew_obfuscation

Add to that potential limits on what doctors can charge the government for services and the shortage becomes worse.

1997: Living in a small town in Canada. Already a huge waiting list for family doctors (population 30,000 at the time, okay a small city). My family doctor and his partner pull up stakes and move. Where to? The USA of course. Why? More opportunity to make money. Lucky for me I was able to transfer my records to my wifes family doctor without too much problem. My parents however had to do some serious scrambling to find one.

Moral of the story? Doctors will treat their skills like the resources they are and head to where the money is.

2009: In Ontario there is a doctor shortage all across the province, no matter what city or locale you live in. Brain drain to the USA, or not enough people getting into the field due to all relative costs associated with the industry?

835 summergurl  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:57:13am

re: #576 iceweasel

Oh yeah?

The UN said food was a universal human right. The US voted in agreement,

That happened in 1948.

You are interpreting this incorrectly - you must have skipped over the word "adequate". Is adequate making everyone buy into a National Health Insurance plan - or is adequate providing Medicaid and Medicare and indigent care? By your standards we would have to provide Gucci and Versace clothing..

Article 25.
•(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

836 tfc3rid  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:57:27am

re: #800 sattv4u2

COME DOWN ,,, NOW


I lived in Boston most of my life. Took a job with an international company about 11 years ago. A year after I started working for them they told me I was being transferred to Atlanta

Just an example of "cost of living". What I was paying for insurance for one vehicle in Boston, I have the same coverage for 3 in Atlanta
What I paid in property taxes PER QUARTER in Boston I'm paying a little more than that PER YEAR HERE ,, with a bigger house and MUCH more land

Would likely rent first... See if we really like it down there as a place to live... I love it as a plce to visit... We'd live close to where we both work, mainly the Sandy Springs/Dunwoody area.

837 CommonCents  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:57:36am

Last night on the local Grand Rapids, MI news they were discussing Obama's approval numbers and Jennifer Granholm's (MI Gov.) approval numbers. Granholm was around 40% so they asked some of those REALLY smart people on the street what their take was. From the standard welfare Democrat voting block we heard "She is working really hard but the mess she INHERITED was worse than we thought". Granholm is in her second 5 year term. WTF!?

838 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:57:42am

re: #754 Picayune

Ah, the Merry Mex, Lee Trevino. Followed Lee and David Graham at Houston Shell Open back in about "84. He kept us all in stitches all day with his quips.
Like Palmer, he fired for the pin from all over the course. Graham won it on the following day.

Lee started as a TX caddy, and never let adversity stand in his way - a real American success story.

My barber in Dallas used to cut Lee's hair. He's told me stories about how Lee got started, using a Coke bottle as a club, and sneaking onto the now-defunct Glen Lakes golf course, which was near Central Expressway and Walnut Hill Lane, playing golf at dusk, after everyone else had gone home. Trevino switched from the Coke bottle to his "antique mix", a set of clubs acquired from pawn shops and garage sales.

839 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:58:28am

re: #782 Irish Rose

Good morning, Cato!

I have a beautiful photo on my blog that I took over the Lake last night, go check it out.

Did you have some rain where you are?

I'm in Ann Arbor. It's supposed to thunder and rain all day...

840 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:59:05am

re: #831 Kenneth

Reagan was written off by the liberal media as an idiot when he first ran in 1976. He taught them something in 1980.

True, but the country was not as completely immersed in the "media culture" in 1976 as it is today. I think the comparison to Dan Quayle's fate is much closer than to that of Ronald Reagan.

I hope I'll be pleasantly surprised by being proven wrong on that, but I doubt it.

841 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:59:07am

Personally, I want to have lower quality healthcare and pay a [expletive deleted]load more for energy.

/I mean, seriously, who wouldn't?

842 summergurl  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:59:12am

Sorry must have deleted the end of the block quote command.

You are interpreting this incorrectly - you must have skipped over the word "adequate". Is adequate making everyone buy into a National Health Insurance plan - or is adequate providing Medicaid and Medicare and indigent care? By your standards we would have to provide Gucci and Versace clothing..

Article 25.
•(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

843 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 7:59:32am

re: #839 Cato the Elder

I'm in Ann Arbor. It's supposed to thunder and rain all day...

Send some of that my way would ya? Supposed to hit 95 here, and humid...and i still have 2 more days until I get the new AC unit...

844 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:00:00am

re: #837 CommonCents

Last night on the local Grand Rapids, MI news they were discussing Obama's approval numbers and Jennifer Granholm's (MI Gov.) approval numbers. Granholm was around 40% so they asked some of those REALLY smart people on the street what their take was. From the standard welfare Democrat voting block we heard "She is working really hard but the mess she INHERITED was worse than we thought". Granholm is in her second 5 year term. WTF!?

My kids live near there...I'm nervous...endowments at the art museum are drying up

845 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:00:24am

re: #836 tfc3rid

Would likely rent first... See if we really like it down there as a place to live... I love it as a plce to visit... We'd live close to where we both work, mainly the Sandy Springs/Dunwoody area.

That area is more pricey and more crowded than some other (Alpharetta being on the high end of the scale, the eastern suburbs being on the lower end). All in all though it's a lot less expensive than comparable aprtments/ houses in NY.

That said , be prepared for VERY long VERY hot summers

846 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:00:33am

re: #799 avanti

We can't credit anyone. recessions come, recessions go. Both sides made major mistakes to get us in, but we can't be sure what brings us out. The main thing the right must worry about is that if and when it does recover, the public will give the POTUS the credit.
If the right continues to play the doom and gloom and party of no game, they'd better pray for major administration failures.
If the economy recovers and we get heath care for example, the right missed a chance to get some credit.

We are reaping 70 years of ponzi scheme government. Just as Madoff's ponzi scheme collapse when he ran out of marks, the government is running out of marks (the rich).

Madoff had $50,000,000 in phony investments, the government
...has $50,000,000,000,000 in unfunded liabilities.

It cannot continue indefinitely, that not doom and gloom. That the facts.
You can't drive a car off a cliff and expect any breaks from gravity.

The question is will we make the hard choices now and control it, allow the free market to do it's thing and generate wealth. Or just continue what we've been doing for 70 years?

Obama has made the choice for the next 3½ years, adding another $1,300,000,000 to the pot on top of the $800,000,000 of GWB.

Government is not the solution, it is the PROBLEM.

847 Picayune  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:00:36am

re: #824 3 wood

I agree. Lee used the American way to achieve, and overcome. He never pointed a finger, but used all ten to build his life, and blessed all with a terrific talent, and the desire of a Gary Player, but with an affable humor that won over many. He set a great example, what more can you say?

848 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:00:41am

re: #698 3 wood

Okay, my nic is blue.

849 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:01:10am
850 Mithrax  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:01:55am

re: #849 taxfreekiller

quit and you never win

Win and you never need quit! :)

851 tfc3rid  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:01:57am

re: #845 sattv4u2

That area is more pricey and more crowded than some other (Alpharetta being on the high end of the scale, the eastern suburbs being on the lower end). All in all though it's a lot less expensive than comparable aprtments/ houses in NY.

That said , be prepared for VERY long VERY hot summers

I'm a big heat and humidity guy... Plus, it's A/C'ed indoors, so...

852 Irish Rose  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:02:01am

re: #788 FrogMarch

It is not thoroughly corrupt. Medicaid and Medicare are broken because they are unsustainable government programs. More government is not the answer.

[Link: www.rockymountainnews.com...]

I don't agree that those programs are unsustainable, but they do have to be trimmed back considerably to get illegals and frauds off of the rolls and restructured to put deserving low-income American workers onto the rolls.

As for the healthcare system... have you checked the price for prescription drugs lately? I can give you a personal example here. I have asthma, and a medication that I literally need to survive costs me 320 dollars a month. A lot of money, when you're working for low wages (less than 9.00 per hour) and have a family to house and feed. Impossible to afford, if you're ony working part-time or unemployed.

I'm also diabetic and because I am, I'm forced to have regular office visits at $80 a pop and regular eye exams, or I will lose access to my generic medication (which costs me $4.00 per month).

I repeat: the healthcare system is broken.

853 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:02:26am

re: #837 CommonCents

Here in Ontario the Liberals are in their second or third term. All deficit problems and such still belong to the 8 years of conservative rule. Mind you the Tories had a hell of a mess to clean up after the NDP ruled for 5 years. 5 years of socialist rule during a recession really screwed things up.

855 SecondComing  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:03:03am

re: #629 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hamas-style education

Suicide bomber's children watch live reenactment of their mother's death on Hamas TV

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

geez

856 tfc3rid  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:03:18am

re: #845 sattv4u2

That area is more pricey and more crowded than some other (Alpharetta being on the high end of the scale, the eastern suburbs being on the lower end). All in all though it's a lot less expensive than comparable aprtments/ houses in NY.

That said , be prepared for VERY long VERY hot summers

Friend works for a large upscale Apt. firm who has a few in the area... Can get a 3 Bedroom for the price of a Studio in NYC with a LOT of square footage.

857 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:03:26am

re: #847 Picayune

I agree. Lee used the American way to achieve, and overcome. He never pointed a finger, but used all ten to build his life, and blessed all with a terrific talent, and the desire of a Gary Player, but with an affable humor that won over many. He set a great example, what more can you say?

plus he was a loose, fun guy...something sorely missing from the tour these days

858 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:03:40am

At least I think...

859 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:03:43am

re: #832 srb1976

re: #833 SurferDoc

I agree with you both in principle, but the image of Sara Palin as an intellectual and political lightweight is firmly ensconced in what passes for the minds of a (sadly) large majority of American voters and it will be quite difficult, if not impossible, for her to change her place in pop culture.

860 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:04:43am

re: #779 sattv4u2

Correct

SO ,,, seeing that over 95% of "stimulus monies" aren't even in the pipelne yet (not even SCHEDULED to be in the pipeline for another 6-12 months) we can attribute this too,,,

(I just want to see how you're going to credit Obama with it)

Let me try: "The power of HOPE and spare CHANGE."

861 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:05:30am
862 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:06:11am

re: #846 jcm

if you disregard the facts and continue to twist reality to the point where people suffer...you deserve all the derision heaped on you...there is just no excuse to continue to support dangerous and harmful policies

863 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:06:38am

re: #859 CIA Reject

re: #833 SurferDoc

I agree with you both in principle, but the image of Sara Palin as an intellectual and political lightweight is firmly ensconced in what passes for the minds of a (sadly) large majority of American voters and it will be quite difficult, if not impossible, for her to change her place in pop culture.

Reagan playbook...This prominent aspect of the Reagan story is surprisingly little known. When he left the California governorship in 1975, Reagan began a twice-weekly newspaper column and a five-day-a-week syndicated radio commentary that was carried on more than 300 stations, reaching an estimated 20 to 30 million listeners. It was a way of making a good living as well as keeping his views in front of the public, but it was also a way of making himself the rallying point for the conservative movement that was readying itself for a drive to power. In this respect, Reagan's media career during his "wilderness years" in the late 1970s resembles Winston Churchill's "wilderness years" in the 1930s, when he too used his writing to make himself the rallying point against his government's weakness
864 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:07:02am
865 CommonCents  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:07:42am

re: #844 albusteve

My kids live near there...I'm nervous...endowments at the art museum are drying up

At the rate we're going the whole state will become a museum. The sign up front will read... "Here lies the wreckage of the turn of the century Democrat malfeasance."

866 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:08:21am

re: #864 Iron Fist

Dude, 100%. Roosevelt started it off, and the Democrats have been running on it since. And no one wants to lose theirs, of course. Now we are coming to the end of it, and it is all going to come crashing down. The primary benifitters of the Ponzi scheme, of course, have moved on to a different place.

One wonders what their judgement will be. While I wish no one (except Monica-bitch) ill, I imagine they hope their debts are forgiven.

Who?

867 Irish Rose  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:08:38am

re: #837 CommonCents

Last night on the local Grand Rapids, MI news they were discussing Obama's approval numbers and Jennifer Granholm's (MI Gov.) approval numbers. Granholm was around 40% so they asked some of those REALLY smart people on the street what their take was. From the standard welfare Democrat voting block we heard "She is working really hard but the mess she INHERITED was worse than we thought". Granholm is in her second 5 year term. WTF!?

And just think, the Obama administration is thinking about bringing her to Washington to go to work on the National economy.

868 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:08:46am

re: #849 taxfreekiller

quit and you never win

"If at first you don't succeed: try, try again, then quit- there's no use being a damn fool about it"
-W.C. Fields

I think she has every right to "try" and "try again", in fact she can try until the cows come home for all I care, but there comes a point where her attempts to "rehabilitate" (for lack of a better word) her image in a hostile media will be detrimental to the conservative cause.

869 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:08:59am

re: #794 tfc3rid

Regarding the tax discussion and the cost of living nightmare here, the fiancee has been otified by her company that they have a job opportunity for her in their Southeast region HQ in Atlanta for work with higher pay than what she gets in NYC...

Guess now it's time for me to see if my company of 9+ years will allow me to stay and move to their ATL office...


If there are school age kids involved there are some nice disctricts in the North suburbs. Sandy Springs/Dunwoody is nice but watch the traffic on 400 it can multiply your commute time on bad days.

Atlanta is a good place to call home.

870 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:09:02am

re: #790 Killian Bundy

Yesterday, Bill got a pack of eight cat play balls.

/he's already lost four of them somewhere


Typical.

871 jcm  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:09:10am
872 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:09:40am

Imagine, if you will, a candidate with Sarah Palin's scintillating intelligence, ready wit and vast grasp of policy detail who looked like - Susan Boyle.

Sarah Palin is the ultimate proof that sexism in politics is alive and well. She was picked for her slutty stewardess looks and her appeal to the brain-dead socon faction of the GOP. The way McCain calculated it, if she had been as smart as William F. Buckley, Jr., but with the face of Maggie Thatcher she wouldn't even have been considered.

Any Republican who seriously thinks she ought to be the party's standard-bearer in 2012 has a political death wish the size of an elephant skull.

873 tfc3rid  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:09:48am

re: #869 DaddyG

If there are school age kids involved there are some nice disctricts in the North suburbs. Sandy Springs/Dunwoody is nice but watch the traffic on 400 it can multiply your commute time on bad days.

Atlanta is a good place to call home.

Our offices are located in Perimeter Park.

874 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:09:51am

re: #865 CommonCents

At the rate we're going the whole state will become a museum. The sign up front will read... "Here lies the wreckage of the turn of the century Democrat malfeasance."

she knows alot of wealthy people that like and admire her...I hope she will be okay

875 SurferDoc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:10:01am

re: #859 CIA Reject

re: #833 SurferDoc

I agree with you both in principle, but the image of Sara Palin as an intellectual and political lightweight is firmly ensconced in what passes for the minds of a (sadly) large majority of American voters and it will be quite difficult, if not impossible, for her to change her place in pop culture.

If they are 49% of the voting public, it is no different than the way they reviled GWB or Ronald Reagan. If she can pull her weight, she will succeed, regardless of what the people who don't like her say. She has a unique gift for reaching people. If she can hone the skills to go with her gifts, she has a shot.

876 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:10:32am
877 Irish Rose  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:10:38am

re: #855 SecondComing

geez

Abusive assholes.

878 CommonCents  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:11:39am

re: #867 Irish Rose

And just think, the Obama administration is thinking about bringing her to Washington to go to work on the National economy.

We'd be happy if she were gone, but would we really be rid of her? Doesn't seem like it. I'm sure she took alot of classes in economics while becoming a lawyer. Makes sense. Much like removing a lawyer from Senate judiciary committee and replacing him with a comedian/political scientist.

879 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:11:47am
880 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:12:11am

re: #876 Iron Fist

A bit of personal info, there. An ex-girlfriend whom I hope lives a thousand years.

I hope she feels a thousand years old every second of it.

Ah. Got it.

881 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:12:29am
882 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:13:06am

re: #843 srb1976

Send some of that my way would ya? Supposed to hit 95 here, and humid...and i still have 2 more days until I get the new AC unit...

I am so not looking forward to my return to the Mid-Atlantic region next week. In fact, the reason for my trip was to ensure that this summer there will be my last. This time next year I'll be living where the average summer temperature is 72 degrees and the lobster is as cheap as chicken.

883 CynicalConservative  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:13:56am

re: #814 Irish Rose

Everyone has a right to their opinion.

Just because you think another persons' opinion is "insane" doesn't mean that it is. And it doesn't necessarily mean that your opinion is the correct one, either.

Good things to keep in mind, when you're debating in a public forum.

Good point and well said.

884 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:14:10am

re: #825 CIA Reject

Gov Palin has been "Quayled", to use a technical term., and it's a damn shame...

I don't know about "Quayling" her, but I'd sure like to "Bork" her...

/bad Daddy... bad!

885 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:14:26am

re: #875 SurferDoc

If they are 49% of the voting public, it is no different than the way they reviled GWB or Ronald Reagan. If she can pull her weight, she will succeed, regardless of what the people who don't like her say. She has a unique gift for reaching people. If she can hone the skills to go with her gifts, she has a shot.

I agree that she has a shot - but it is a (very) long shot.

886 Picayune  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:14:42am

re: #857 albusteve

True, Lee was loose and fun, but also driven by a fierce competitiveness not seen often today, except for Tiger. Today, there's too much PC and $$$, for my taste.

Fred Couples used to practice with the U of Houston Golf team on my home club course in North Houston. He and his swing were a marvel to watch, and he has never lost that calm, smooth nature of his.

But today, having Marshalled at the Zurich New Orleans Classic the past five years, the current field is focused, gifted with better strength and equipment - but wooden by comparison. Nicholas is perhaps the finest gentleman golfer I have ever met.

I wish the younger crowd had more like him, and Trevino, and Fred - but that's just my take on it.

887 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:14:51am

re: #852 Irish Rose

I don't agree that those programs are unsustainable, but they do have to be trimmed back considerably to get illegals and frauds off of the rolls and restructured to put deserving low-income American workers onto the rolls.

As for the healthcare system... have you checked the price for prescription drugs lately? I can give you a personal example here. I have asthma, and a medication that I literally need to survive costs me 320 dollars a month. A lot of money, when you're working for low wages (less than 9.00 per hour) and have a family to house and feed. Impossible to afford, if you're ony working part-time or unemployed.

I'm also diabetic and because I am, I'm forced to have regular office visits at $80 a pop and regular eye exams, or I will lose access to my generic medication (which costs me $4.00 per month).

I repeat: the healthcare system is broken.

Itis broken, but it is not broken on just a US-scale, it is broken on a worldwide-scale. The reason you pay so much for prescriptions is because countries like Canada, France, the UK, etc, have price controls on how much the pharmasudical companies can charge in their countries. Thus, they shift the burden to the unregulated market, the US. If they paid their fair share, our prescription drug prices would fall tremendously.

They're screwing us by having their own socialized medicine programs.

888 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:15:06am
889 CommonCents  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:15:24am

re: #874 albusteve

she knows alot of wealthy people that like and admire her...I hope she will be okay

I'm sure she will. The excessively rich folks may have taken a blow with the economy but will continue to keep the arts running.

There are thousands of jobs out there, people just have to be willing to do something that isn't their first choice until something better comes along.

890 SurferDoc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:15:26am

re: #885 CIA Reject

I agree that she has a shot - but it is a (very) long shot.

Actually, it is a Huey Long shot. ;)

891 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:15:31am
892 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:16:40am

re: #852 Irish Rose

Just so long as you understand that government intervention is the reason we have high drug prices. And more government intervention will not help.
We need more private sector competition to help bring prices down.

The government forces drug companies to sell their drugs to outside nations at lower prices. Then those same drugs are re-imported.

893 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:16:47am

re: #848 rightside

I clicked on you nic and all I got was your avatar

894 srb1976  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:17:25am

Her Royal Stoutness is up and making demands, gotta run,
Have a great day folks!

895 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:17:26am

re: #873 tfc3rid

Our offices are located in Perimeter Park.

Then you will enjoy traffic no matter what. Your idea of renting for a while is a good one. Housing is a bargain. We're on the far edge of the suburbs but we need affordable space for kids.

896 SurferDoc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:17:29am

re: #891 taxfreekiller

The last bright shinning lie of the msm "was" the lie about Sara Palin.
They have lost power, they coast now, pushing by hand, no gas in the tank. Very soon we will be free of their evil shadows.

From your keyboard to God's screen.

897 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:17:45am

Well good morning y'all - from a warm (80 degrees going up to 92 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

PLEASE note that I have not received the results of my cancer tests as yet.

898 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:18:01am

re: #876 Iron Fist

A bit of personal info, there. An ex-girlfriend whom I hope lives a thousand years.

I hope she feels a thousand years old every second of it.

Like Leonidas's curse: "May you live forever."

899 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:18:14am

re: #893 3 wood

hmm... let me try again

900 SurferDoc  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:18:17am

Hi RW! Good to see you!

901 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:18:24am

re: #897 realwest

Well good morning y'all - from a warm (80 degrees going up to 92 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

PLEASE note that I have not received the results of my cancer tests as yet.

{real}

902 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:18:48am

re: #890 SurferDoc

Actually, it is a Huey Long shot. ;)

Heh- that deserves many more than the single upding I can give it!

903 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:18:54am

re: #900 SurferDoc
Hi SurferDoc - good to see you, too!

904 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:19:15am

re: #897 realwest

Well good morning y'all - from a warm (80 degrees going up to 92 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

PLEASE note that I have not received the results of my cancer tests as yet.

Hang in there {real}. You have a lot of support here. But, you already know that.

905 Picayune  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:19:23am

re: #872 Cato the Elder

Many believed that Mac picked Palin - to woo disappointed Hillary supporters from the middle and the Dem voters.

906 redneckkahfir  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:19:52am

The health panel's bill, which passed along a party-line 13-10 vote, would seek to expand coverage to many of the 46 million uninsured Americans, add a government-run healthcare program, require most Americans to obtain health insurance, and mandate most employers to provide it to their workers. The legislation also would seek to reduce costs in the $2.5 trillion U.S. healthcare industry.


If healthcare is a right, Why do they hafta require it?

907 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:19:58am

re: #904 midwestgak
Hey thanks {gak}! I do appreciate the support, very, very much!

908 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:20:21am

re: #834 BlueCanuck

1997: Living in a small town in Canada. Already a huge waiting list for family doctors (population 30,000 at the time, okay a small city). My family doctor and his partner pull up stakes and move. Where to? The USA of course. Why? More opportunity to make money. Lucky for me I was able to transfer my records to my wifes family doctor without too much problem. My parents however had to do some serious scrambling to find one.

Moral of the story? Doctors will treat their skills like the resources they are and head to where the money is.

2009: In Ontario there is a doctor shortage all across the province, no matter what city or locale you live in. Brain drain to the USA, or not enough people getting into the field due to all relative costs associated with the industry?

Where will they go if FCBBHO succeeds in socializing medical care here?

909 CommonCents  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:21:24am

re: #891 taxfreekiller

The last bright shinning lie of the msm "was" the lie about Sara Palin.
They have lost power, they coast now, pushing by hand, no gas in the tank. Very soon we will be free of their evil shadows.

One could only hope. I heard on an XM station last night while driving home a clip from the early 70's, I think is was Spiro Agnew, said (this is a rough quote from memory) "I'm not asking for censorship, but questioning if some form of censorship already exists. The message delivered to millions of Americans each night is determined by a handful of powerful individuals. Filtered down through fewer individuals who have openly expressed their biases..." and that's all I can recall. The point was that media was slanted 30-40 years ago and their slant continues. No matter how many times they stick a fork in their own heads they still aren't done.

910 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:21:27am

re: #897 realwest

Hi RW! Hang in there, my prayers are with you!

911 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:21:31am

re: #908 MandyManners

Where will they go if FCBBHO succeeds in socializing medical care here?

Texas.
/sort of.

912 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:21:45am
913 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:22:21am

re: #908 MandyManners
Hi Mandy - hope you and the kiddo are well today!
Um, what do you mean "if" FCBBHO succeeds in socializing medical care here?
Is there any serious doubt in your mind that he will?

914 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:22:28am

re: #897 realwest

Our prayers and best wishes for you, man. Chin up.

915 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:22:28am

The Obama stimulus will prop up the MSM (Blue State Barons) as vigorously as they are tearing down the F-22 Raptor (Red State Rebels). This re-distribution of wealth is proving to be patronage on a grand scale and the operatives that created the Obama myth will be handsomely rewarded.

916 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:22:31am

re: #864 Iron Fist

"...I imagine they hope their debts are forgiven."

Who cares what the con men hope for?
In Judaism debts owed to other people are not forgiven by God.
In Christianity the concept of foregiveness of the criminal act does not include forgiving the debt owed to the victims.
In civil law one who breaches a trust or commits fraud is obliged to make restitution to the victim and even bankruptcy does not extinguish this type of obligation.

917 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:22:43am

re: #869 DaddyG

If there are school age kids involved there are some nice disctricts in the North suburbs. Sandy Springs/Dunwoody is nice but watch the traffic on 400 it can multiply your commute time on bad days.

Atlanta is a good place to call home.

Are you in the Atlanta area? I work near Emory and live out in Snellville. As far as the schools go, when we got here 10 years ago the public schools there were good. (my son was in pre-school at the time) We sent him to grammer and middle school there, but it;'s changesd a lot and now send him to private in Monroe for high school

918 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:23:17am

re: #881 Iron Fist

It might be worth noting that I absolutely hate this woman. Burning to death is much to quick and subtle for what I wish her.

Damn. She must've been bad. I just wish my ex-wife to live with the knowledge that she will be alone with her parents for a long time to come.

919 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:23:24am

re: #908 MandyManners

Where will they go if FCBBHO succeeds in socializing medical care here?

Don't know, don't care. That's their problem not mine. Me I am just doing my best to survive.

920 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:23:38am

If anyone clicks on my nic, do you the lgf mail thing?

921 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:23:47am
922 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:23:51am

re: #872 Cato the Elder

Imagine if you will Barack Obama who had the visage of none other than Robert C. Byrd and faced off against John McCain. Ageism is alive and well, wouldn't you think? Or maybe it has something to do with what the candidates said? Or got people to believe - that hokum about hope and change? In the end, Palin didn't make or break the McCain candidacy, although it got the right wing excited because she spoke to their concerns and fears about Obama (and which are showing themselves to be rightfully concerned on Obama's massive rejiggering of the economy).

Palin still had more executive branch leadership than the entire Democrat ticket in 2008 - combined. To this day, that singular fact rings in my head every time this Administration does something stupid (which is pretty much every day).

Was she a looker as well? Absolutely, but looks always play a role in politics. Every politican wants to show themselves as full of vigor and energy, which is why we saw Reagan and GWB chopping wood on their ranches, why we saw Kerry in all those various sports (although not particularly successful at football), Obama with the basketball, JFK swimming and playing ball, etc.

However, I didn't vote for her. I voted for who was at the top of the ticket - McCain v. Obama. Most people did that as well, and the outcome in 2008 speaks for itself. They voted for hopey and changey... and this is the outcome.

923 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:24:15am

Let me try that again.

924 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:24:33am

re: #914 Kenneth
Thanks Kenneth, I appreciate it a lot!

925 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:25:08am

re: #905 Picayune

Many believed that Mac picked Palin - to woo disappointed Hillary supporters from the middle and the Dem voters.

That was a brilliant gambit, as we saw.

926 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:25:25am

ObamaCare® the Perpetual-Ponzi

Prepare for the worst.

927 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:25:43am
928 Picayune  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:25:53am

re: #896 SurferDoc

Yul Brynner: "So it was written, so it shall be done!"

929 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:25:58am

re: #908 MandyManners

Where will they go if FCBBHO succeeds in socializing medical care here?

Touche. But once Obama gets done fucking with your medical system and raising income taxes to obscene levels, there just might be a flood of US doctors to Canada.

930 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:26:15am

re: #897 realwest

How is everyone doing this morning?

PLEASE note that I have not received the results of my cancer tests as yet.

Doing fine here. Sent you a long email this morning.

We are all pulling for you.

931 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:26:23am

re: #905 Picayune

Many believed that Mac picked Palin - to woo disappointed Hillary supporters from the middle and the Dem voters.

They both have a vagina, and that's about where the similarity ends. Many Hillary supporters were turned off by the perceived pandering, and Palin had more support from males then women.

932 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:27:13am

The Obama administration aspires to restructure 39% of the US economy.

Here's the hit list:

Health care (17% of GDP),
energy (9.8% of GDP), and
financial services (8% of GDP).
the automotive industry (4% of GDP)

And they proposes to do it all in a rush this summer, lest the decline in his popularity and that of the Congressional Democrats erodes his power to do so.

All this from a President who has zero managerial experience, no private business experience and next to no legislative experience.

It staggers the mind.

933 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:27:18am

re: #917 sattv4u2

Are you in the Atlanta area? I work near Emory and live out in Snellville. As far as the schools go, when we got here 10 years ago the public schools there were good. (my son was in pre-school at the time) We sent him to grammer and middle school there, but it;'s changesd a lot and now send him to private in Monroe for high school

We're up in the NW near Canton (don't want to be more specific on the web) and pretty pleased with most of what we get education wise. The best around the NW are Lassiter and some other Cobb schools where some of my friends kids go.

934 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:27:25am
935 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:27:26am

re: #925 Cato the Elder

That was a brilliant gambit, as we saw.

It was over as soon as the dems forced McCain to the top. All Palin did was bring some fresh air into the campaign. Blaming Palin for the loss is stupid.

936 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:27:52am

re: #930 3 wood
Hi ya 3 wood - I received and replied to your e-mail (and NO it wasn't about iceweasel!) thanks. And I do appreciate all the support out here, it really does mean a lot to me.

937 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:28:05am

re: #881 Iron Fist

It might be worth noting that I absolutely hate this woman. Burning to death is much to quick and subtle for what I wish her.

At some point you got to let it go, my friend. That will only hurt you in the long run.

938 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:28:53am

re: #932 Kenneth

And he surrounded himself with people with little experience as well.

His former car czar had no auto industry experience (Rattner). His replacement is a steel industry union exec (Bloom).

This is who is advising the president on matters of national significance - and from unelected officials who didn't go through Senate confirmation.

939 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:29:08am

re: #935 VegasRick

It was over as soon as the dems forced McCain to the top. All Palin did was bring some fresh air into the campaign. Blaming Palin for the loss is stupid.

So now the Dems are at fault for the GOP nominating McCain? Talk about stupid.

940 KansasMom  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:29:24am

re: #872 Cato the Elder

Down-dinged for the "slutty stewardess" statement.
Sorry, but I thought she always showed class. More than anyone who accused her of looking like a slutty stwardess in any case.

941 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:29:46am

Sports Nerd Corner:

My favorite moment of last night's exhibition of baseball by a bunch of guys who don't care?

The Cardinals fans booing the only Cubs representative, Ted Lilly.

Love the rivalry.

942 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:30:22am

re: #932 Kenneth
Hey Kenneth - I hearted that comment cause I can never keep those percentages in mind; but you left off the Banking industry and the real estate industry, both of whom are now controlled - one way or another - by the LEFTIST Party (f/k/a the Democratic Party).

943 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:30:42am

re: #938 lawhawk

What could possibly go wrong?

944 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:31:32am

re: #939 Cato the Elder

So now the Dems are at fault for the GOP nominating McCain? Talk about stupid.

Agreed. Giulanni ran a lack luster campaign, gambling all on the roll of the dice in one state, Thompson late to start, and late to finish. Too much complaints about all the rest that ran as well that eventually dragged them down. McCain seemed to me as the *meh* candidate. He should have tried harder then he did though. Played too much as a nice guy.

945 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:31:39am

re: #939 Cato the Elder

So now the Dems are at fault for the GOP nominating McCain? Talk about stupid.

Did I use the word "fault" in my post? You and (slutty stewerdess) Letterman should get a room.

946 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:31:45am

re: #942 realwest

banking was included (I think) in the financial services item. Bu not the real estate industry. And I don't think he's going to stop there.

947 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:31:48am

re: #872 Cato the Elder

Fuck you.

948 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:31:57am

re: #942 realwest

Hey Kenneth - I hearted that comment cause I can never keep those percentages in mind; but you left off the Banking industry and the real estate industry, both of whom are now controlled - one way or another - by the LEFTIST Party (f/k/a the Democratic Party).


Just toss in the lawyers and teachers for good measure.

949 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:32:06am

re: #897 realwest

Well good morning y'all - from a warm (80 degrees going up to 92 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

PLEASE note that I have not received the results of my cancer tests as yet.

Morning rw. I hope the results are encouraging.

950 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:32:11am

re: #872 Cato the Elder

Imagine, if you will, a candidate with Sarah Palin's scintillating intelligence, ready wit and vast grasp of policy detail who looked like - Susan Boyle.

Sarah Palin is the ultimate proof that sexism in politics is alive and well. She was picked for her slutty stewardess looks and her appeal to the brain-dead socon faction of the GOP. The way McCain calculated it, if she had been as smart as William F. Buckley, Jr., but with the face of Maggie Thatcher she wouldn't even have been considered.

Any Republican who seriously thinks she ought to be the party's standard-bearer in 2012 has a political death wish the size of an elephant skull.

I will say you don't beat around the bush in making a point. While I agree with the trust of your post as it relates to her electability, the point could have been made without such a big hammer IMHO.

951 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:32:50am

Motherfucking sexist piggery.

952 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:33:00am

re: #947 MandyManners

Tell us how you really feel, Mandy.

953 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:33:10am

re: #947 MandyManners

Fuck you.

What she said, twice!
luv ya Mandy!

954 polkaking2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:33:22am

re: deployment cancelled
I know the birth certificate thing is likely silly, but if I try that on my tax forms, do I have a shot? The legal battles were all resolved by the plaintiffs being judged to lack standing. So if I, for example, refuse to pay additional taxes or use the right kind of light bulb because Obama signed the legislation into law, would I have standing to claim that I did these things not because I want to keep my money but because Obama is not legal?

955 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:33:24am

re: #920 rightside

If anyone clicks on my nic, do you the lgf mail thing?

No

956 ShanghaiEd  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:33:35am

re: #798 srb1976

THe only thing I've heard was the "it must be fake, because she's not smart enough to write it" argument

In fairness to Palin, it's very common for politicians, CEOs, and other public figures to have op-ed columns "ghost-written" for them. I've actually done a few of them, in a previous life, for some academic and business clients. You try to fit the "tone" to the voice of the person, but otherwise it's all straightforward.

Just a thought.

957 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:33:40am

re: #940 KansasMom

Down-dinged for the "slutty stewardess" statement.
Sorry, but I thought she always showed class. More than anyone who accused her of looking like a slutty stwardess in any case.

But Cato was criticizing the sexism of the GOP, so it's OK for him to call Palin a slutty stewardess and to insult her intelligence, since he assumes no good looking woman could be smart.

958 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:33:40am

re: #934 Iron Fist

Hey {Iron}. Sorry you are having a bad day.

959 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:33:48am
960 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:33:49am

I'm gonna' take a walk before I say things I'll regret.

961 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:35:04am

re: #935 VegasRick

It was over as soon as the dems forced McCain to the top. All Palin did was bring some fresh air into the campaign. Blaming Palin for the loss is stupid.

Agree 100%. McCain lost, IMHO, because of two factors- both of his own doing and neither related to Palin:

1) He accepted public financing: sadly he was pretty much forced into this because as one of the authors of campaign finance "reform" he would have opened himself up to charges of HYPOCRISY! from the opposition if he didn't, but the result was that he was outspent by Obama and was hobbled as a result.

2) He refused to accept and understand that he was operating in a hostile media environment. This is something that Republicans still do today and it completely befuddles me how they can believe that they will get fair treatment in the media and will not have to spend large amounts of money (see 1 above) to both discredit the biased reporting and pay for alternative, unbiased, media.

962 Kragar  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:35:22am

re: #951 MandyManners

Motherfucking sexist piggery.

I just got here

963 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:35:29am

re: #946 Kenneth
Uh, don't know your source but the Financial services industry USUALLY is used to describe brokerage houses like Goldman Sachs and the late, unlamented, Lehman brothers - many of which such brokerage houses formed their own "banks". But control over who is at the top of say Citigroup or BofA is I think different and in additon to Financial Services.

964 J.S.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:35:37am

re: #922 lawhawk

hmmm...Speaking of appearances (and politicians) I've noticed that Obama doesn't look "presidential" of late. He didn't look at all "presidential" during his trip to Ghana...and the latest -- his throwing out the opening pitch -- blue jeans? He really looks like just "some guy." (maybe I'm just getting old, but, for my taste, it's way too casual (?))...

965 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:35:41am

re: #940 KansasMom

Down-dinged for the "slutty stewardess" statement.
Sorry, but I thought she always showed class. More than anyone who accused her of looking like a slutty stwardess in any case.

Yep, using your office to get your ex-brother-in-law fired from his job for personal reasons shows real class. Whining and complaining about being in the media spotlight while running for national office, too. And quitting your post to cash in and run again while whining and complaining some more just puts her up there with the Queen Mum. She should raise corgis to complete the image.

If I want real class, I go to biker bars.

But she should definitely stick around for the entertainment value alone. And because she occasionally elicits some good writing from Maureen Dowd.

966 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:36:57am
967 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:37:12am

re: #959 Iron Fist

Man, I owe you an email to tell you how I'm doing. Well in some respects, poorly in others. I hope your cancer tests come back good.

{realwest}

(Anybody got a problem with me hugging my brother? I've noticed in the really tough population, hugging is no big deal. Bikers will hug thei brothers. Watch the UCF/Cage fighters. They'll hug their opponent after a match. Because, Guys and Dolls, they are tough. They don't give a rat's ass about what the pussies think of them)

I hugged and kissed (on the cheek) my father almost everyday until he passed. Man I wish I could have just one more.

968 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:37:40am

re: #948 DaddyG
As a current lawyer (though not engaged in the practice of law anymore) and as former "teacher" -Associate Professor of Law - I resent that remark.
Truly.
He may or may not control the Teacher's Union (although they are TRULY PISSED OFF at his idea of merit pay) but he doesn't control the ABA.

969 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:37:44am

re: #965 Cato the Elder

Hey! What have you got against corgis?

970 Macker  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:37:45am

Good Morning Lizards! I've got my stuff packed up and ready to move tomorrow to the new place. The A**hole roommate already left...and I've got a heck of a lot less stuff to move than he did. Oh, and his shackup gf too.
I'm going to be consulting an attorney for my next move.

971 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:37:57am

re: #961 CIA Reject

McCain also lost because he was not exactly exciting. Obama was. The Dems could have run a cabbage and won. Given the unprecedented media bias in favor of Obama, I give McCain credit for making it as close as it was, and to Palin for helping him shore up the conservative base of the party. It just wasn't enough.

972 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:39:28am
973 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:39:41am

re: #952 rightside

I sent you an email.

974 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:39:49am

re: #959 Iron Fist

Man, I owe you an email to tell you how I'm doing. Well in some respects, poorly in others. I hope your cancer tests come back good.

{realwest}

(Anybody got a problem with me hugging my brother? I've noticed in the really tough population, hugging is no big deal. Bikers will hug thei brothers. Watch the UCF/Cage fighters. They'll hug their opponent after a match. Because, Guys and Dolls, they are tough. They don't give a rat's ass about what the pussies think of them)

Not me. Your posts reflect your character. You're quite the man in my book.

975 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:39:56am

re: #965 Cato the Elder

If I want real class, I go to biker bars.

You wouldn;t last 3 minutes in one, even if the guys were out on the road

(((naah , make that ESPECIALLY if they were)))

976 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:39:58am

re: #965 Cato the Elder

Bad Cato, bad. Was it ever proven that she used her political clout to unfairly get her ex-brother inlaw fired? I thought that her complaining about the media was spot on. It was over the top in slamming her and belittling her successes and creating faults out of whole cloth. And leave the Queen Mom out of this. She has more class in her pinky then you ever will.

/if I could only down ding you more...

977 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:40:12am

re: #973 3 wood

Thanks, I have a meeting shortly, but will get it and email you later... Thanks!

978 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:40:16am

re: #971 Kenneth

Agreed. The two biggest factors in the deciding the election were money and media (no surprises there) and McCain had neither in his favor.

979 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:40:30am

there is no one, or even two reasons why McCain lost...the debate is a waste of time...there were many anomalies in that election...as for me the MSM tossed it

980 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:40:33am

re: #959 Iron Fist
Hey bro' - no problem with {Iron Fist} at all.
Please do write - I'd like to hear what all is going on with you.

981 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:40:38am

Robert Spencer is on Laura Ingraham right now.

982 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:41:12am

re: #957 Kenneth

But Cato was criticizing the sexism of the GOP, so it's OK for him to call Palin a slutty stewardess and to insult her intelligence, since he assumes no good looking woman could be smart.

I didn't read that he was saying attractive women can't be smart, quite the contrary. The real sexism is that a attractive women may get more support then a less attractive one with the same qualifications.

983 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:41:31am

re: #981 NJDhockeyfan

Robert Spencer is on Laura Ingraham right now.

any link? She used to be on an Atlanta station I could get fee on the wb

Today ,, nada

984 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:41:47am

re: #918 Honorary Yooper

Damn. She must've been bad. I just wish my ex-wife to live with the knowledge that she will be alone with her parents for a long time to come.

Wow. My first wife was just a nut. AFAIK, she's still single 12 years after we divorced. She had some guy for awhile, but he jettisoned her when he figured out how kooky she was. She was diagnosed as bipolar, so that's part of it.

985 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:42:12am

re: #965 Cato the Elder

If using your position to fire your ex-brother-in-law who threatened your family is the worst of it, then Cato, I challenge you to look at Chicago where that's mere child's play.

Had that been Daley, you wouldn't even know where to start looking for the body.

986 KansasMom  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:42:16am

re: #951 MandyManners

Motherfucking sexist piggery.

re: #960 MandyManners

I'm gonna' take a walk before I say things I'll regret.

Uh-oh...

987 J.S.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:42:29am

re: #981 NJDhockeyfan

Is he now complaining about his being "censored"? lol

988 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:42:31am

re: #964 J.S.
Don't know if you meant it, but your comment implies that at some point in time President Obama did look presidential.
I don't remember that at all.

989 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:42:52am

re: #982 avanti

He did not say that directly, but he did project that attitude on the people he was criticizing. I don't think it was a very dignified or honorable post.

990 CommonCents  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:42:59am

re: #872 Cato the Elder

? is the ultimate proof that sexism in politics is alive and well.

It wasn't Sarah Palin's pecs I saw glistening on the news (not that I would be against that). If I recall, it was BO that had the people's legs tingling.

991 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:43:04am

re: #965 Cato the Elder

It's sad to see someone ODing on the KoolAid.

992 KansasMom  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:43:19am

re: #982 avanti

I didn't read that he was saying attractive women can't be smart, quite the contrary. The real sexism is that a attractive women may get more support then a less attractive one with the same qualifications.

Unless the attractive woman is labeled "slutty" of course.

993 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:43:27am

re: #957 Kenneth

But Cato was criticizing the sexism of the GOP, so it's OK for him to call Palin a slutty stewardess and to insult her intelligence, since he assumes no good looking woman could be smart.

No, I see proof that Palin is not very smart, and that she got nominated to the second-highest executive position through the cheerleader effect. Calling a dim bulb dim is not sexist. Pretending she's got what it takes out of party loyalty is sheer, blind self-delusion.

Avanti, I come back after nearly a month on the road and people here are still stuck on Palin as though she could save the GOP. A big hammer is called for.

VegasRick, what does "the Dems forced McCain to the top" mean, if not what I took it to mean?

Mandy, hi! Good to see some things never change. How are your corgis?

994 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:44:00am

What constitutes good writing from Maureen Dowd?

Distilled Dowd column on Palin from this article:

Caribou Barbie, nutty puppy, exquisite battiness, erratic, egoistic, narcissistic personality disorder, grandiosity, need for admiration, lack of empathy, loopy, solipsistic meltdown, strange, incoherent, breathless, prickly, thin skinned, country-music melodrama, reckless, ga-ga, crazy like a fox, crazy, casuistry, girlish burbling.

That's some heady intellectualism. Thank God we have Maureen on our side.

/

995 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:44:22am
996 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:45:33am

re: #992 KansasMom

Unless the attractive woman is labeled "slutty" of course.

you weren't supposed to notioce that part and put 2 and 2 together

Math isn't an Avanti strong point!

997 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:45:36am

re: #994 OldLineTexan

Is there such a thing?

998 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:45:37am

re: #975 sattv4u2

If I want real class, I go to biker bars.

You wouldn;t last 3 minutes in one, even if the guys were out on the road

(((naah , make that ESPECIALLY if they were)))

Maybe, maybe not. I hear biker chicks prefer douchebags. They might like Cato.

999 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:45:47am

Off to take my Mom to her doctor. Say a few prayers for her, if you would.

1000 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:45:56am

re: #999 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

bye

1001 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:46:03am

re: #957 Kenneth

But Cato was criticizing the sexism of the GOP, so it's OK for him to call Palin a slutty stewardess and to insult her intelligence, since he assumes no good looking woman could be smart.

One of his themes if I recall correctly.

Egads.

1002 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:46:04am

re: #983 sattv4u2

any link? She used to be on an Atlanta station I could get fee on the wb

Today ,, nada

Try here.

1003 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:46:18am

re: #992 KansasMom

Unless the attractive woman is labeled "slutty" of course.

I never saw Palin as slutty, or stupid.

I did see her as much too willing to stay on what McCain's people wanted her to say. I also saw her as not ready for prime-time - she was clearly not experienced enough to run a national campaign.

I am still waiting for a clarification of a number of her stances. I have no interest in buying yet another pig in a poke, as the country did with Obama.

1004 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:46:21am
1005 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:46:31am

re: #983 sattv4u2

any link? She used to be on an Atlanta station I could get fee on the wb

Today ,, nada

Laura's on a station here that has a website.

I just got the streaming audio.

[Link: www.ksevradio.com...]

1006 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:46:49am

re: #964 J.S.

hmmm...Speaking of appearances (and politicians) I've noticed that Obama doesn't look "presidential" of late. He didn't look at all "presidential" during his trip to Ghana...and the latest -- his throwing out the opening pitch -- blue jeans? He really looks like just "some guy." (maybe I'm just getting old, but, for my taste, it's way too casual (?))...

He's going for the young, cool look. My son and his friends love the new image. His polling does show his weakest approval is 62 and older.

1007 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:47:41am

re: #993 Cato the Elder

Mandy, hi! Good to see some things never change. How are your corgis?

Ah, I'm the one with the corgi. Mandy's the one with the Kid.

1008 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:47:55am

re: #966 Iron Fist

But it has been over fifteen years, and I can't. Not yet.

I'll pray for you that you can find the peace of mind to get past the hurt and let it go.

I've been there, got the tee-shirt.

I found that all the anger does is hurt yourself.

The other person either does not care or is glad that you are still hurt.

1009 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:47:57am

re: #1002 NJDhockeyfan

Try here.

tanks,,, they;'re in commercial, Is Spencer still on?

1010 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:48:06am

re: #993 Cato the Elder

Democrats could have shifted the race - particularly in open primary states, which is where the notion that Democrats helped choose the GOP candidate comes from. In closed primary states, McCain fared worse.

As to smarts, (street smarts or book smarts), how exactly does that show itself when it comes to President Obama? He went to all the right schools, but then again so did President GW Bush. Obama's public speaking rivals that of GW Bush when it comes to incomprehensibility without a teleprompter. Yet, Obama is hailed as a great communicator, while Bush is derided.

People see what they want to see from their favored candidates and their favored punching bags.

1011 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:48:09am

re: #976 BlueCanuck

Bad Cato, bad. Was it ever proven that she used her political clout to unfairly get her ex-brother inlaw fired? I thought that her complaining about the media was spot on. It was over the top in slamming her and belittling her successes and creating faults out of whole cloth. And leave the Queen Mom out of this. She has more class in her pinky then you ever will.

/if I could only down ding you more...

The "Queen Mom"? Is that like a soccer mum?

1012 J.S.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:48:30am

re: #988 realwest

Come to think of it, you have a point...(although I've seen Obama's pictures at those press functions where he's dressed up in tux, etc., and he looked pretty good, also during the campaign, he seemed to dress well...now, though, not so much...)

1013 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:48:49am

re: #989 Kenneth

He did not say that directly, but he did project that attitude on the people he was criticizing. I don't think it was a very dignified or honorable post.

I didn't like the slutty stewardess myself, I agree.

1014 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:48:58am

re: #997 rightside

Is there such a thing?

As what?

1015 albusteve  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:49:10am

re: #1006 avanti

He's going for the young, cool look. My son and his friends love the new image. His polling does show his weakest approval is 62 and older.

how does image relate to policy?...BO is a Chicago pimp

1016 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:49:59am
1017 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:50:04am

re: #1014 OldLineTexan

good writing from MoDowd?

1018 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:50:14am

re: #1009 sattv4u2

tanks,,, they;'re in commercial, Is Spencer still on?

Don't know, just got a phone call and missed the end of it.

1019 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:50:27am

Morning all!! Been following the discussion on the health care/insurance posts. It's a little frustrating at times, because there is a tendency to conflate terms. What we're dealing with in the administration and Congress now is not health care, it is health insurance.

Health care is the composite grouping of goods, products, and services related to the health and medical industries.

Health insurance is one way to pay for those goods, products, and services. (Writing a check is another.)

When a poster writes (e.g. ice weasel) that the U.S. health care system sucks ass, that's probably not correct. If a poster writes that the U.S. health insurance system sucks ass, now we're in a place where we can discuss the current situation regarding "ability to pay", and assess the viability of various proposals.

Do people have access to health care in this country? If the answer is no, because of a lack of doctors, clinics, etc. - that's one issue. A health care issue.

If the answer to the "availability" question is yes, but people don't access it because they don't believe they can pay for it, that's an entirely different issue. A health insurance issue.

But yes, there is a need to look at the potential impact of doing something in one area that may lead to unintended consequences in another. For example, the idea of cutting costs in Medicare or Medicaid to save money could lead to fewer and fewer physicians accepting these as payment. Thus, the good intention of "cost control" could unintentionally lead to some people (e.g. the elderly and the poor) having less access to health care - even though the idea was to bring down the cost of health insurance.

Just a thought.

1020 LGoPs  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:50:28am

re: #951 MandyManners

Motherfucking sexist piggery.

Yeah but it's okay coming from the liberal side, I guess.///
I am so sick to death of the double standard and the fact that liberals regularly get away with hateful remarks and still are able to claim that they are generous and open minded and tolerant.
In a fucking pig's eye.

1021 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:50:34am

re: #1006 avanti

He's going for the young, cool look.

Exactly what I'm looking for in a president.

/

1022 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:50:51am

No matter what Palin's reasons for ending her Governorship early the press will spin it as "giving up" or caving in to the pressure that they helped build in her life. I think this ends her political carreer. It is a shame because she is a genuine independent politician. That is the threat that the elites on both sides of the aisle took her down for.

1023 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:51:09am

re: #993 Cato the Elder

While I don't think Palin is the saviour of the GOP, I find your comments rather mysognistic and demeaning. Rather inappropriate, IMHO. One does not become a governor by being just a "sluttly stewardess". Even Bill Clinton, much as I don't like him, was more than just a skirtchaser, and Obama has some smarts, but is stuck on his ideas. Shoot, even my own ex-governor, Blagojevich was more than bushy hair. He did have a brain, but used it for corruption.

I'd suggest you drop the tone if you want to get your message across.

1024 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:51:09am

re: #994 OldLineTexan

What constitutes good writing from Maureen Dowd?

Distilled Dowd column on Palin from this article:

That's some heady intellectualism. Thank God we have Maureen on our side.

/

We might try Ace's take: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Mutinies

1025 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:51:38am

re: #1004 Iron Fist

I do. You got a problem with me?

You could only bullshit like this down the safety of the TCP/IP pipe. I'd smack your ass for that live and personal. Don't diss my people.

I was quite serious. I hang out in biker bars all the time. The chicks there have class that Palin can only dream of. And before I got sick I put 80,000+ accident free miles on motorcycles.

My preferred places to stop on the road are still those that have big signs saying "bikers welcome".

Sheesh.

1026 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:51:53am

re: #964 J.S.

I don't expect him to wear jacket and tie everywhere he goes, and a baseball game isn't a dress up affair in any event. I wasn't bothered by that, nor was I bothered by his first pitch (which was low and didn't cross the plate).

1027 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:52:04am

re: #1017 rightside

good writing from MoDowd?

a-ha.

Since I do not read her every word, I will suspect that she may produce something better than the average dreck on a regular basis.

I will note that she seems to have quite an attitude of superiority. That's usually an indication of severe self-doubt, and I will consider any stance of hers with that in mind.

1028 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:52:09am
1029 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:52:49am

re: #1018 NJDhockeyfan

Don't know, just got a phone call and missed the end of it.

Taking calls on Health Care now ,, guess I missed it too

1030 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:53:17am

re: #1026 lawhawk

I don't expect him to wear jacket and tie everywhere he goes, and a baseball game isn't a dress up affair in any event. I wasn't bothered by that, nor was I bothered by his first pitch (which was low and didn't cross the plate).

100% agree

1031 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:53:59am

re: #1011 Cato the Elder

The "Queen Mom"? Is that like a soccer mum?

You really should know better. Nice job insulting all the Canadian, British, and other Commonwealth lizards out there, dipstick.

1032 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:54:06am

re: #1011 Cato the Elder

The "Queen Mom"? Is that like a soccer mum?

I assume this is the woman you were talking about in reference to raising corgis. She showed more class in a single minute then you have since you started posting here.

1033 J.S.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:54:37am

re: #1006 avanti

Yeah. I tend to interpret it as President Obama's personal display of disrespect for the Office of President of the United States...

1034 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:55:12am

re: #975 sattv4u2

If I want real class, I go to biker bars.

You wouldn;t last 3 minutes in one, even if the guys were out on the road

(((naah , make that ESPECIALLY if they were)))

Tell you what. I'll meet you at Daniel's in Elkridge, Maryland, and I'll even buy the first round. We'll see what happens then, sweetie.

1035 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:55:18am

gggrrr ,, BBIAB ,,,

Have to do my monthly company wb training

This months topic ,,Preventing Ergonomic Injuries

riveting!!!

1036 wintercat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:55:26am

re: #859 CIA Reject

re: #833 SurferDoc

I agree with you both in principle, but the image of Sara Palin as an intellectual and political lightweight is firmly ensconced in what passes for the minds of a (sadly) large majority of American voters and it will be quite difficult, if not impossible, for her to change her place in pop culture.

Palin has an opportunity to put an end to that image if she handles herself well in front of the media from now on.

The reason I asked if Palin's op-ed was real was because when I googled it I got something from the Huffington Post titled Palin's Washington Post Op-Ed first draft which looked like a fake because it is so poorly written. I hadn't seen the actual op-ed that appeared in the WP. Is Jesse Berney a satirist or just a liberal with PDS?

1037 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:55:31am
1038 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:55:37am

re: #1022 DaddyG

I view it as quitting, as well. My problem, I'm sure.

1039 rightside  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:55:51am

Okay, off to my meeting. 3 Wood, I will email you later, thanks again.

1040 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:56:00am

re: #993 Cato the Elder

You really are a low-life, motherfucking sexist pig, aren't you? Lay off my child lest I beat the virtual, living shit out of you. Don't you EVER allude to him again. YOU GOT THAT?

I'm boning up on my GAZE skills.

1041 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:56:45am

re: #775 avanti

If he said we are in worse shape then the great depression, Obama is dead wrong. Unemployment will continue to go up for a few months, but the rate is slowing weekly.

Oh, I got that wrong listening to the clip this morning avanti:

"This has been a more severe recession than we've seen since the Great Depression."

He isn't saying it's worse, only that has been the most severe since. duh! As if anybody couldn't figure that out. Hey avanti, I was wondering the other day whether you're married, I don't recall you ever talking about your wife. Just curious.

1042 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:57:39am

Someone's got his Keyboard Commando badge this morning.

Later.

1043 turn  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:58:38am

re: #1040 MandyManners

whoa, what the hell did I jump into here?

1044 J.S.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 8:58:46am

re: #1026 lawhawk

I don't know. Did you compare the pics of GW Bush throwing out the first pitch? Bush was dressed in casual attire, yet still (imo) looked presidential. Not like some goofus off the street...

1045 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:00:10am

re: #1043 turn

whoa, what the hell did I jump into here?

Nothing new, Cato is being an asshole.

1046 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:02:01am

re: #1040 MandyManners

You really are a low-life, motherfucking sexist pig, aren't you? Lay off my child lest I beat the virtual, living shit out of you. Don't you EVER allude to him again. YOU GOT THAT?

I'm boning up on my GAZE skills.

Mandy? I mentioned my corgi and your kid to differentiate us - as Cato appeared to be confused.

Yell at me, not Cato.

1047 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:02:16am

re: #1040 MandyManners

You really are a low-life, motherfucking sexist pig, aren't you? Lay off my child lest I beat the virtual, living shit out of you. Don't you EVER allude to him again. YOU GOT THAT?

I'm boning up on my GAZE skills.

Heh. The reading comprehension skills around here have not changed, at least. I was alluding to the true class of the Queen Mum and her penchant for corgis. I know nothing about your child and would not to mention it if I did.

And "virtual, living shit"? Bring it. You, Iron Fist and Satt2034985668 or whatever his number is.

And all this because I dissed poor little Sarah.

1048 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:03:34am

re: #1047 Cato the Elder

Don't be condescending.

1049 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:03:34am

re: #994 OldLineTexan

What constitutes good writing from Maureen Dowd?

Distilled Dowd column on Palin from this article:

That's some heady intellectualism. Thank God we have Maureen on our side.

/

A textbook case of Wet Brain.

1050 wintercat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:04:13am

re: #982 avanti

I didn't read that he was saying attractive women can't be smart, quite the contrary. The real sexism is that a attractive women may get more support then a less attractive one with the same qualifications.

This is true for men as well. McCain v Obama, for example. McCain was older and less physically fit than Obama, which the Obama campaign and Obama himself capitalized on that fact.

1051 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:04:15am

re: #968 realwest

As a current lawyer (though not engaged in the practice of law anymore) and as former "teacher" -Associate Professor of Law - I resent that remark.
Truly.
He may or may not control the Teacher's Union (although they are TRULY PISSED OFF at his idea of merit pay) but he doesn't control the ABA.


Sorry for the offense. My comments was meant to reflect my frsutration at about the status quo the teachers unions and ABA seem to perpetuate. That was not a slam against individual teachers and lawyers.

1052 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:04:17am

I refuse to watch the confirmation hearings.

1053 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:05:28am

re: #1031 Honorary Yooper

You really should know better. Nice job insulting all the Canadian, British, and other Commonwealth lizards out there, dipstick.

Um, hello? I was sarcastically comparing Palin's level of class with that of the Queen Mum, who is the non plus ultra in that category. Are your logic circuits working this morning?

1054 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:05:52am

re: #1052 Dianna

I refuse to watch the confirmation hearings.

Hi Dianna! I think I'm with ya on that one. It's kind of like watching a re-run of Jeopardy. You already know the questions, the answers, and who's gonna win.

;-)

1055 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:06:55am

re: #1052 Dianna

I refuse to watch the confirmation hearings.

What's the matter, you got something against being induced into a coma?

1056 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:06:56am

re: #965 Cato the Elder
ah geez Cato, I don't even know where to begin with you re: Palin.
But lets make a start, shall we:
a) Obama says to MSM "Keep my kids out of this" and they do. Palin's kids are fair game.
b) AFTER she's nominated, The Left Pary starts 18 different ethics complaints against her, all of which are proved to be false and to lack merit.c) AFTER the election an Alaskan Blogger - who's name I've bissfully discarded from my ole HD - says Palin is under Federal Investigation for embezzlement of funds - an comment SO OUTRAGEOUS that the FBI (which rarely does this sort of thing) and the US Justice Department (which also rarely does this sort of thing) both say "Nonesense. Sarah Palin is not under investigation nor the target of any Federal investigation."
d) Palin - who at least had the "fire in the belly" needed to win and did go after Obama (but not his family) winds up spending over $500,000 of her own money defending nonesense ethics violations and slanderous allegations. She doesn't have the kind of money most of the LEFT party seems to have - see e.g., Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Obama, Kerry et.al. - so she signs a book deal for, iirc, 18 million buckos and with THAT kind of money has her lawyer write a letter to the WaPo saying that Palin will come after all who defame her. I know Charles doesn't think she can win these, but he is wrong: if she can prove that someone published comments about her with the knowledge that what was published was wrong, or with a willful disregard for whether or not they were wrong, she will win those lawsuits.
e) whether or not she represents the "base" of the Republican Party is irrelevent - she talks about and institututes in Alaska government RESTRAINT on Spending; the Left Party has left our childrens' children with more debt that they can bear.
f) but Palin is what's wrong with this country? Cause, ya know, she's good looking and pro-gun ownership and anti-abortion?
And of course she's a dolt - merely graduated from some college in flyover territory and never does the LA or NYC Cocktail party circuit usually attended only by Left Party Elites - so she's not sophisticated.
I'm sorry Cato, but I think there's WAAAY too much sophistication in control of the Left Party which CONTROLS the government of the United States of America as it is.
And so does China.
And so, soon, shall Europe: Western when they realize that -even though their version of a socialized government is a failure, will get gobsmacked when they realize the US will no longer provide a military defense for them and Eastern Europe when they, as does Israel, wakes up to the fact that Obama will sell them down the river for not much more than a photo op.

Yep, Palin and her children are really what's wrong with this country OK.

1057 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:07:04am

re: #1053 Cato the Elder

You need to work on your sarcasm skills then. You missed the target by a great deal.

1058 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:07:05am

re: #1053 Cato the Elder

She was the ne plus ultra, yes.

I believe she passed a few years ago.

She didn't breed corgis, though. I think that's Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth's thing. She was given a corgi when created Princess of Wales, and never looked back.

1059 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:07:34am

re: #999 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkeyPrayers are on the way up for her...and for you.

1060 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:07:52am

The market is up about 2% now. Oil is up about 3%

1061 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:07:52am

re: #1055 Spare O'Lake

What's the matter, you got something against being induced into a coma?

Yeah, I need my brain more or less on line, today. Damned stubborn little numbers.

1062 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:08:52am

re: #1056 realwest

Alas I only have but one ding to give...

1063 3 wood  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:08:59am

re: #1052 Dianna

I refuse to watch the confirmation hearings.

Same here, it's a waste of time.

It's a done deal, she's in.

1064 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:09:40am

re: #1056 realwest

I think the lefties have become what they used to accuse Republicans of being - snobs.

1065 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:10:03am

re: #1058 Dianna

She was the ne plus ultra, yes.

I believe she passed a few years ago.

She didn't breed corgis, though. I think that's Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth's thing. She was given a corgi when created Princess of Wales, and never looked back.

Yes in 2002 at the great age of 101. I believe I linked the wikipedia entry of her bio up thread somewheres. We miss her...

1066 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:10:50am

re: #1056 realwest

100+ if I had them.Well said rw.

1067 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:11:43am

Sooo, if no one here now gives a damn on the Sotomayor hearings, can we keep the dead thread on life support?

1068 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:12:38am

re: #1006 avanti

He's going for the young, cool look. My son and his friends love the new image. His polling does show his weakest approval is 62 and older.

In other words, Obama has his strongest support among the people with the least experience, and his weakest support among the people with the most experience.

1069 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:13:53am

re: #1067 BlueCanuck

Sooo, if no one here now gives a damn on the Sotomayor hearings, can we keep the dead thread on life support?

I'd like to. I just can't bear to listen to the senators.

1070 J.S.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:13:55am

Picture of Obama

Reversed Baseball Cap

1071 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:14:25am

re: #1057 BlueCanuck

You need to work on your sarcasm skills then. You missed the target by a great deal.

No, you just missed the point.

1072 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:15:33am

re: #1071 Cato the Elder

No, you just missed the point.

Please climb down from your high horse. The oxygen has to be getting into short supply.

Criminy, are you that annoyed about your vacation being over?

1073 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:16:11am

re: #1070 J.S.

Picture of Obama

Reversed Baseball Cap

Chicago gang banger.

1074 lobo91  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:16:58am

re: #1054 subsailor68

Hi Dianna! I think I'm with ya on that one. It's kind of like watching a re-run of Jeopardy. You already know the questions, the answers, and who's gonna win.

;-)

Actually, I think it's more like that game show from the '50s where they were giving one of the contestants the answers in advance...

1075 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:17:36am

re: #1011 Cato the Elder

The "Queen Mom"? Is that like a soccer mum?

The real Queen Mum, the mother of Elizabeth II, was perhaps the best loved figure in the history of the British monarchy. She certainly had her head screwed on straighter than anyone else in the royal family.

"Now we can look the East End in the eye."

1076 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:18:22am

re: #1064 Ward Cleaver

I think the lefties have become what they used to accuse Republicans of being - snobs.

I think the Lefties have always been snobs - the elite leaders of the Lefties anyway.
In the good old days when there actually were more than a dozen or so LIBERALS like Scoop Jackson, Daniel Patrick Moynihan and all, there was a civility about public discourse and disagreement. Had they both been alive now, they would be LIVID at how the MSM and certain bloggers have gone after Palin.

1077 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:18:24am

re: #1074 lobo91

Actually, I think it's more like that game show from the '50s where they were giving one of the contestants the answers in advance...

It does have that feel.

1078 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:19:39am

re: #1053 Cato the Elder

Um, hello? I was sarcastically comparing Palin's level of class with that of the Queen Mum, who is the non plus ultra in that category. Are your logic circuits working this morning?

Mine are working quite fine, thankyouverymuch. However, I question how yours are working, as well as how well you know how to use proper sarcasm.

1079 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:20:26am

I think we shall have to admit this thread is dead.

See you whenever there's something that isn't the Sotomayor hearings.

1080 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:20:38am

re: #1074 lobo91

Actually, I think it's more like that game show from the '50s where they were giving one of the contestants the answers in advance...

Heh! Pretty good movie too!

Quiz Show

1081 realwest  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:21:34am

re: #1070 J.S.
Ah that's gotta be a photoshopped pic - Obama is always conscious of how he looks and in that photo he looks like - well, the kid who's lunch money was extorted who's now grown up and trying to look like he's from the 'hood, doncha know?!

1082 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:22:42am

re: #1081 realwest

If it is a fauxtograph, it's a damn good one.

1083 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:23:12am

re: #1072 Dianna

Please climb down from your high horse. The oxygen has to be getting into short supply.

Criminy, are you that annoyed about your vacation being over?

Actually I'll be on the road until next week. You wanna see annoyed, wait till I'm back in my unfit-for-human-habitation-in-summertime mid-Atlantic per-capita-murder-capital-of-the-Eastern-Seaboard city. Oops, I think I just gave away where I live...

Meanwhile, I'm just mildly irked that people here still see Sarah-pie as a victim and a caryatid worthy of support and admiration. I should be used to it, but I'm not.

Now back to my hosts. You all have a great day!

1084 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:24:57am

I see Cato's characterization of how people here see Sarah Palin as a bit of a distortion. Am I wrong?

1085 Picayune  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:25:12am

re: #925 Cato the Elder

Palin did not pick herself, Mac did. She answered the call, as most party members/pols would. No pol has ever been savaged in modern history as has Palin by the DNC/MSM.

I'd enjoy watching her, out of office, pay them back in spades, and stick it to those Mac pol consultants that shoved shivs into her back, and are still at it.

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight, bring a bazooka! Palin has little to loose now by talking truth to liars and smear merchants. She's already started with her current retort to Cap/Tax & flop. "You betcha!"

1086 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:26:22am

re: #1032 BlueCanuck

"I'm glad we've been bombed. It makes me feel I can look the East End in the face."

God bless the Queen Mom. She had style, class, courage and integrity.

1087 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:28:55am

re: #1086 Kenneth

And a whole bunch of good quips too. God bless the english humour.

1088 irongrampa  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:31:32am

Surprised that so many here are reacting to Cato--one of the best ways to further diminish trivialities is to ignore them.

On this blog, it's called "scrollover".

1089 Flyers1974  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:31:34am

re: #1084 Dianna

I see Cato's characterization of how people here see Sarah Palin as a bit of a distortion. Am I wrong?

If he said some people, I would agree. I've seen a number of non-liberals here who don't feel she is a victim.

1090 J.S.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:32:30am

re: #1081 realwest

I don't believe it was a photoshop job -- it comes from Reuters...(the pic was taken when Obama was on vacation) here's another link...

1091 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:33:21am

re: #1084 Dianna

I see Cato's characterization of how people here see Sarah Palin as a bit of a distortion. Am I wrong?

I don't get the impression people see her as a victim - I certainly don't.

I have my own issues with her, but "slutty" is not one of them; and I don't understand how anyone can use that term about her.

As is brought out here about those officials many of us don't like, using nasty names, etc., is not productive; better to focus on issues. The reasons I have issues with Palin have to do with what I believe is generally her being unprepared for the national political scene.

1092 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:33:43am

re: #1089 Flyers1974

If he said some people, I would agree. I've seen a number of non-liberals here who don't feel she is a victim.

I will admit that I feel a sudden urge to leap to her defense when I hear the word "slutty" attached to her. I think that's because I'm female, and I hate that dismissal. I usually think I'm reasonably balanced about how I assess most politicians (provided they're not Pete Stark).

1093 Dianna  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:34:45am

re: #1091 reine.de.tout

You certainly have my support on that point.

1094 J.S.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:39:40am

re: #1084 Dianna

It's the usual isn't it? There will always be some poster who'll write something of the following: "lgf posters Believe X" or make some sort of sweeping overarching generalization, wishing to broadly paint all lgf posters as "the same"...when, of course, that's not the case. there are some here who, no doubt, admire Palin. There are many others who do not. There may be many others who don't care..etc. (many, many different opinions, many different variations on those opinions which cannot be easily summarized without gravely distorting the viewpoints.) (Personally, I think Palin is "toast" insofar as politics is concerned -- it's not that I despise her or don't like her -- I just don't think she has a hope in hell of succeeding in politics given the current climate, etc.)

1095 Picayune  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:41:04am

re: #956 ShanghaiEd

Same here, I 've done a bunch of them. The client always reviews/revises the final edit. It's common practice, and always goes out under the client's name.
That's why pols hire press secretaries.

1096 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:42:37am

re: #1094 J.S.

Here's hoping that she uses the time like a few other notables have done and study up on what she needs to, and keep the fire in the bellies flaring.

1097 Flyers1974  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:44:43am

re: #1084 Dianna

Regarding Palin being a victim of sexism or misogony, the trouble is that these issues recieved no attention that I've heard at least, prior to Palin, from the Republican side. It seems to me that these issues were off anyone's radar until Palin, except among liberals (and then, only when convenient, i.e., Hiliary.) Obviously I don't apply this to everyone, it is a generalization. I know at least two people here where these seem to have been important themes prior to Palin.

1098 J.S.  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:48:33am

re: #1096 BlueCanuck

I think she'd do really well heading up some organization (for example, being an advocate offering support/assistance for handicapped children and their caregivers), and being a spokesperson for such an agency...

1099 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 9:51:50am

re: #1098 J.S.

We shall see what she does when she offically steps down at the end of the month. Wouldn't surprise me if she did.

1100 Flyers1974  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:00:49am

re: #1091 reine.de.tout

I don't get the impression people see her as a victim - I certainly don't.

I have my own issues with her, but "slutty" is not one of them; and I don't understand how anyone can use that term about her.

As is brought out here about those officials many of us don't like, using nasty names, etc., is not productive; better to focus on issues. The reasons I have issues with Palin have to do with what I believe is generally her being unprepared for the national political scene.

Agreed. The problem is, people get competitive regarding politics, even just discussing politics here at LGF. Insults from one side lead to insults from the other side. And each side views their own insults as valid criticism while the other side's insults are proof of low class, etc...

1101 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:03:28am

re: #1100 Flyers1974

Agreed. The problem is, people get competitive regarding politics, even just discussing politics here at LGF. Insults from one side lead to insults from the other side. And each side views their own insults as valid criticism while the other side's insults are proof of low class, etc...

Yep.
And not just insults, imo, but the use of tactics like condescension (which is an insult in disguise, if you ask me).

1102 irish rose  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:05:01am

re: #993 Cato the Elder

No, I see proof that Palin is not very smart, and that she got nominated to the second-highest executive position through the cheerleader effect. Calling a dim bulb dim is not sexist. Pretending she's got what it takes out of party loyalty is sheer, blind self-delusion.

Avanti, I come back after nearly a month on the road and people here are still stuck on Palin as though she could save the GOP. A big hammer is called for.

VegasRick, what does "the Dems forced McCain to the top" mean, if not what I took it to mean?

Mandy, hi! Good to see some things never change. How are your corgis?

I don't think Palin is going to "save" the GOP, but I do think she's an extremely capable and talented politician who should be in Washington, not Alaska.

You've gone off the rails today with the sexism, dude. It's really repugnant, borderline mysogenistic, and I'm asking you nicely to tone it down. It's offensive to more people here than just Mandy.

1103 Picayune  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:05:17am

re: #1026 lawhawk

So Obama's pitch was low, dirty, and fell short? Sounds just like some of his ideological policies of late.

1104 avanti  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:08:29am

re: #1092 Dianna

I will admit that I feel a sudden urge to leap to her defense when I hear the word "slutty" attached to her. I think that's because I'm female, and I hate that dismissal. I usually think I'm reasonably balanced about how I assess most politicians (provided they're not Pete Stark).

I didn't like the slutty comment when Letterman used it either. I admit, it took me a few months to learn to ignore the Commie label for most anyone on the left to, but I still cringe when it's directed at the POTUS.

1105 Flyers1974  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:11:40am

re: #1101 reine.de.tout

Yep.
And not just insults, imo, but the use of tactics like condescension (which is an insult in disguise, if you ask me).

Indeed. it's strictly an anonymity/internet thing. Road rage happens because when you are in your car, you and the other person are anonymous. No one gives the finger to another in the grocery store if you accidentally bump carts.

1106 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:15:41am

re: #1105 Flyers1974

Indeed. it's strictly an anonymity/internet thing. Road rage happens because when you are in your car, you and the other person are anonymous. No one gives the finger to another in the grocery store if you accidentally bump carts.

I agree.
All the more reason, imo, to practice restraint while under the anonymity of the internet, so that you are practiced at patience when you need it in real live.

I can't tell you how many times what's in my head is, "You Stupid &%$*& idiot! - but that's never what I actually write.

1107 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:20:38am

re: #1106 reine.de.tout

Ummm, I kinda snapped a bit this morning..

1108 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:24:59am

re: #1102 irish rose

I don't think Palin is going to "save" the GOP, but I do think she's an extremely capable and talented politician who should be in Washington, not Alaska.

You've gone off the rails today with the sexism, dude. It's really repugnant, borderline mysogenistic, and I'm asking you nicely to tone it down. It's offensive to more people here than just Mandy.

If Palin goes to Washington, the most appreciative people of all will be the DNC leadership.

You'll have to 'splain to me someday how noting the slatternly cheerleader aura that Sarah exudes (David Letterman didn't make it up, and it was funny because it hit the mark) works out to be sexist and misogynistic (!) - because I don't see it. Any more than poking fun of Perez Hilton would make me anti-gay.

Anyway, I'll be back in a week, when I'm sure we can pick this up exactly where we left off.

1109 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:26:46am

re: #1108 Cato the Elder

Anyway, I'll be back in a week, when I'm sure we can pick this up exactly where we left off.

No problem, you keep picking it up and dropping it into the threads.

1110 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:30:48am

re: #1107 BlueCanuck

Ummm, I kinda snapped a bit this morning..

's OK. Love ya anyhow.
I was strictly talking about my "take" on this.

1111 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 10:41:34am

re: #1109 BlueCanuck

No problem, you keep picking it up and dropping it into the threads.

Right, because nobody mentioned Palin before I got here.

Bye!

1112 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 12:01:17pm

Wow. Sounds like somebody was rebuffed by a "slutty stewardess", and hasn't gotten over it yet.


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