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Open • Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 11:17 pm PDT • Views: 118

We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it— and stop there; lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again— and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore.

Mark Twain

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1 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:19:09pm

Damn...I remember awhile back catching an episode of TLC's Extreme Machines where they took a look at Canadian Pacific's mainline over (and through) the Canadian Rockies.

[The first 35 seconds are overlap from a previous segment]

That included them rolling out some brand new SD90MACs that were being assembled from kits in CPRs Calgary shops, which looked like their pride and joy.

Now I see that some of those same locomotives, after barely logging a decade's service with Canadian Pacific, are up for sale.

/While locomotive 4X and 5X their age soldier on in revenue service.

2 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:22:32pm

sweet...overnight

3 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:23:10pm

What about cats on hot tin roofs?

4 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:23:57pm

re: #3 Fenway_Nation

don't they sing

5 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:25:55pm

Obscenity. Primal urges.

Was just posting something to a Yahoo newsgroup, got the words just right, and when I pressed send, it just went page not found on me. I think it's scheduled maintenance, but can't they put in a dummy page when it cuts in? Yahoo has some of the worst ...

/rant

6 Floral Giraffe  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:28:14pm

De do run run!

7 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:28:27pm

By the way, what happened to TLC/The Learning Channel? Last I saw, it was like Home and Garden TV 2.0 with all the house-flipping and whatnot...

8 Ms. MacIceweasel  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:28:35pm

re: #3 Fenway_Nation

What about cats on hot tin roofs?

Gotta love Maggie the Cat...

9 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:29:48pm

Hey there honcos. I put this on an earlier thread but will repeat here. I joined a fun photo contest where 100 of us locals have until the end of the month to take 27 pictures with a disposable camera. All part of a photography show on labor day. I went to the equestrian center to get a horse picture and what did I find! A pinto mare and her little baby colt. I am so hoping that picture came out. I spent 40 minutes there waiting for them to come close enough.

10 pat  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:30:39pm

re: #7 Fenway_Nation

By the way, what happened to TLC/The Learning Channel? Last I saw, it was like Home and Garden TV 2.0 with all the house-flipping and whatnot...


ditto. liberal losers aiming at likewise

11 redc1c4  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:31:01pm

"Fruitcup!!!"

and now, off to bed: it's a school night.

if anyone cares, i'm taking classes 5 days week from now until mid november, so you'll either get the good stuff early, or have to make do with LoL's...

but you can always check the frig!

/white smoke

12 Floral Giraffe  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:31:15pm

The Ventures!

13 Floral Giraffe  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:31:56pm

re: #11 redc1c4

May you study hard, learn a lot & pass with all A's!

14 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:32:29pm

re: #11 redc1c4

"Fruitcup!!!"

and now, off to bed: it's a school night.

if anyone cares, i'm taking classes 5 days week from now until mid november, so you'll either get the good stuff early, or have to make do with LoL's...

but you can always check the frig!

/white smoke

Hey there Red. It you need me to spike up some fruit now and then, let me know. LOL Good to see you.

15 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:33:36pm

re: #11 redc1c4

Heya red- rightside was asking about you earlier.

16 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:33:37pm

re: #11 redc1c4

night red. same here. i am off to bed as well. everyone have a great night.
fenway, PBJ, pat, ice, i tellu, and floral, as always, good evening and HOOAH.

17 mrshankly01  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:34:27pm

re: #16 mrshankly01

when gmsc comes in, tell him goodnight as well.

18 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:34:56pm

re: #16 mrshankly01

[insert monosyllabic grunt of concurrance here ___ ]

/Rock of the Marne!

19 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:35:15pm

re: #16 mrshankly01

night red. same here. i am off to bed as well. everyone have a great night.
fenway, PBJ, pat, ice, i tellu, and floral, as always, good evening and HOOAH.

'Nite, have a great day tomorrow. I am just getting here but I won't be here long.

20 Irish Rose  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:35:24pm

I'm off to bed, goodnight lizards!

Don't forget to check out the new post over at Defenseman.
It's a keeper.

21 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:37:02pm

re: #20 Irish Rose

I will probably wait until manana but will definitely check it out...more comments anyway. ;-). Sweet dreams.

22 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:37:03pm

re: #20 Irish Rose

But you just got here!

Didn't you?

23 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:42:37pm

A new wrinkle in TGCOOT:

"Pepsi Cola Murdered Michael Jackson 27.06.1984 (Hair On Fire During Pepsi Commercial)"


24 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:44:28pm

re: #23 freetoken

/watches passively as he sips his Bacardi and Coke

25 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:50:33pm

re: #23 freetoken

I was just thinking about that the other day. Terrible.

I've been waiting for one of our "sekret" threads to post this but back at the beginning of the troubles in Iran I was looking at twitter a lot. At that point, my subject matter was "Tehran". Some twitter person was posting over and over that Michael Jackson was dead. This was a couple of weeks before he died. I think I even jokingly mentioned it here on LGF but it's been kind of bothering me now, thinking back. No doubt it was just some type of airhead who was bored with the "Tehran" subject but it keeps crossing my mind.

26 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:55:33pm

Good morning, y'all.

27 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:56:47pm

re: #26 BatGuano

Five more minutes before morning for me but I am fading fast. You're ya doin?

28 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:56:58pm

re: #26 BatGuano


Morning fecal matter of the batt-ish persuasion!

29 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:57:50pm

re: #27 Pvt Bin Jammin

Five more minutes before morning for me but I am fading fast. You're ya doin?

Doin' good, PVT. Thanks.

30 BatGuano  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:58:53pm

re: #28 Fenway_Nation

Morning fecal matter of the batt-ish persuasion!

Hi, Fenway.

31 freetoken  Wed, Jul 15, 2009 11:59:49pm

re: #25 Pvt Bin Jammin

Yeah, that is the problem with the new media... as this now well known venn diagram shows:

Image: socialmedia.jpg

I'm calling Jackson's death the TGCOOT: The Great Conspiracy Of Our Time. The tabloids will be running Jackson death stories for a very long time.

32 gmsc  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:00:00am

Today in History, July 16th:

Highlights of this day in history: Test of the world's first nuclear weapon; President Richard Nixon's White House taping system revealed; John F. Kennedy, Jr., his wife and her sister die in a plane crash. Martha Stewart sentenced for lying about a stock sale. Apollo 11 lifts off from Kennedy Space Center, Florida --- on the first manned mission to the surface of the Moon.

Other notable July 16th events include:

622 – The beginning of the Islamic calendar.

1790 – The District of Columbia is established as the capital of the United States after the signing of the Residence Act.

1935 – The world's first parking meter is installed in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

1957 – United States Marine Major John Glenn flies a F8U Crusader supersonic jet from California to New York in 3 hours, 23 minutes and 8 seconds setting a new transcontinental speed record.

1979 – Iraqi President Hasan al-Bakr resigns and is replaced by Saddam Hussein.

2005 – Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince was released.

33 gmsc  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:00:26am

re: #26 BatGuano

Good morning, y'all.

Good morning!

34 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:01:02am

re: #29 BatGuano

I'm good. Can't complain about anything. Saw friends I hadn't seen for while tonight. Worried about some things but worry doesn't do you any good either.

35 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:05:49am

re: #32 gmsc

Hasan al-Bakr resigns...

Resigns?

36 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:06:41am

Here's A Sam Clemens story, from memory:
A woman goes to her doctor and tells him of all of her health problems. The doctor listens patiently and advises her: " You must stop smoking, drinking and keeping late hours."
She replies, "Doctor! I don't do any of those things!"
The doctor says, "That's you problem! You're neglecting you're habits! You're a sinking ship with nothing to throw overboard!"

37 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:07:51am

How strange. Somehow increased taxation that results in more spending by government is 'stimulus.'

Talk about a fricken rabbit hole.

Hawaii Legislature overrides 34 vetoes
State Rep. Hermina Morita, D-14th (Hanalei, Anahola, Kapa'a), said she was disappointed. The barrel tax increase – from 5 cents to $1.05 – would have bumped the per gallon price of gasoline by a few cents but would have provided the state an estimated $31 million a year for food and energy-security programs.

"This could have been viewed as an economic stimulus, redirecting monies that we send out of the state for reinvestment in the state," Morita said.

38 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:07:52am

re: #33 gmsc

Good morning!

HI, gmsc! How they hangin'!

39 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:07:59am

1935 – The world's first parking meter is installed in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

Aarrgh! Never did like those things.

40 gmsc  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:08:12am

re: #35 Gus 802

Hasan al-Bakr resigns...

Resigns?

He did claim he was stepping down due to health reasons, so the official story is that he resigned. I have to go with that until we know more about the circumstances.

41 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:09:40am

re: #40 gmsc

He did claim he was stepping down due to health reasons, so the official story is that he resigned. I have to go with that until we know more about the circumstances.

I know. I'm sure his death will remain a mystery.

42 gmsc  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:09:42am

re: #38 BatGuano

HI, gmsc! How they hangin'!

Not bad. Not bad.

The lids are hanging low, so I probably won't be able to stay for fruitcup, but I'll do what I can.

43 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:10:48am

re: #42 gmsc

Same here.

44 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:13:27am

re: #32 gmsc

Well...here's the chart for Martha Stewart Omnimedia.

Aside from 'going steadily down', I can't make much sense of it.

45 gmsc  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:16:42am

re: #44 Fenway_Nation

Well...here's the chart for Martha Stewart Omnimedia.

Aside from 'going steadily down', I can't make much sense of it.

And that's over a decade after her arrest!

46 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:18:23am

'Nite lizards. I think You Tube has taken the actual musical theme from "Cool Hand Luke" off! Can't find it anywhere.

Later, lizards. Will see you manana.

47 gmsc  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:18:49am

re: #46 Pvt Bin Jammin

'Nite lizards. I think You Tube has taken the actual musical theme from "Cool Hand Luke" off! Can't find it anywhere.

Later, lizards. Will see you manana.

'Night, PBJ!

48 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:19:02am

re: #46 Pvt Bin Jammin

Hasta la Pasta, PBJ!

49 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:19:50am

re: #46 Pvt Bin Jammin

Night, PVT.

50 wiffersnapper  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:20:19am

Mark Twain with good advice on how to keep cats off your stove.

51 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:21:53am

re: #50 wiffersnapper

Martha Stewart Omnimedia presents Good Housekeeping Tips from Samuel Clemens.

52 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:23:22am

re: #12 Floral Giraffe

The Ventures!

Exclent! 40 plus years on I an still play lead on that.

53 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:24:37am

Don't all talk at once...

54 gmsc  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:25:39am

re: #51 Fenway_Nation

Martha Stewart Omnimedia presents Good Housekeeping Tips from Samuel Clemens.

More appropriately from Samuel Clemens:

"Suppose I were a member of Congress, and suppose I were an idiot, but I repeat myself..."

55 gmsc  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:34:19am

Despite all the talk, I'm tired. Time to hit the hay.

Good night, all!

56 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:36:02am

re: #55 gmsc

G'nite gmsc! Try not to let the overabundant chatter from here keep you up.

57 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:36:30am

re: #55 gmsc

Despite all the talk, I'm tired. Time to hit the hay.

Good night, all!

Goodnight, gmsc.

58 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:37:10am

re: #55 gmsc

Despite all the talk, I'm tired. Time to hit the hay.

Good night, all!

Later GMSC

59 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:42:55am

Maureen Dowd:
A wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not know that a gaggle of white Republican men afraid of extinction are out to trip her up.

Yeah! A bunch of old white men can't handle the Truth! Yeah!

Besides, it’s delicious watching Republicans go after Democrats for being too emotional and irrational given the G.O.P. shame spiral.

W. and Dick Cheney made all their bad decisions about Iraq, W.M.D.’s, domestic surveillance, torture, rendition and secret hit squads from the gut, based on false intuitions, fear, paranoia and revenge.

Sarah Palin is the definition of irrational, a volatile and scattered country-music queen without the music. Her Republican fans defend her lack of application and intellect, happy to settle for her emotional electricity.

What an irrational knee jerk ideologue.

60 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:43:15am

re: #52 BatGuano

Exclent! 40 plus years on I an still play lead on that.

Walk don't run '64. Another classic.

61 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:43:43am

re: #59 BigPapa

I probably say this here every other day, but what the heck:

MoDo is an idiot.

62 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:47:16am

re: #61 iceweasel

MoDo is an idiot.

Yes, but: DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA? TELL ME TELL ME TELL ME TELL ME DAMMIT TELL ME TELL ME DAMMIT.

63 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:48:33am

re: #62 BigPapa

Yes, but: DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA? TELL ME TELL ME TELL ME TELL ME DAMMIT TELL ME TELL ME DAMMIT.

heeheehee. I like you. :)

64 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:49:56am

re: #61 iceweasel

I probably say this here every other day, but what the heck:

MoDo is an idiot.

You got MoDO we got Buchannon. She's an idiot but I'll trade ya'.

65 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:52:13am

So Ice, if that's your real name, it's just me and you. It seems your a tad left of me and hang out in the blue part of town.

Any good columnists, non-idiotarian, not conservative? As in, a centrist left equivalent of Kraut/Hansen/Steyn?

Rich and Dowd just make me shake my head in disbelief.

66 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:54:11am

re: #64 BatGuano

You got MoDO we got Buchannon. She's an idiot but I'll trade ya'.

Ouch. I guess I'd have to (reluctantly) keep MoDo.

She's really awful though, isn't she? I said she's an idiot but she's much worse. She's the epitome of what's wrong with 'journalism' now. She's not even an ideologue. She's just malicious and gratuitously nasty. I guess once upon a time she was thought of as witty, but she isn't any more --if indeed, she ever was. She can be relied upon to go for snark over substance every time.

It's a mystery to me that she still has the job she does...but I don't consider her a liberal any more than Buchanan is a conservative.

(BTW, anyone else see that Buchanan called for Todd Palin to murder Levi Johnson?)

67 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:54:53am

re: #66 iceweasel

Ouch. I guess I'd have to (reluctantly) keep MoDo.

She's really awful though, isn't she? I said she's an idiot but she's much worse. She's the epitome of what's wrong with 'journalism' now. She's not even an ideologue. She's just malicious and gratuitously nasty. I guess once upon a time she was thought of as witty, but she isn't any more --if indeed, she ever was. She can be relied upon to go for snark over substance every time.

It's a mystery to me that she still has the job she does...but I don't consider her a liberal any more than Buchanan is a conservative.

(BTW, anyone else see that Buchanan called for Todd Palin to murder Levi Johnson?)

You familiar with Bill Scher?

68 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:56:57am

re: #66 iceweasel

(BTW, anyone else see that Buchanan called for Todd Palin to murder Levi Johnson?)

*gaze*
blink, blink
*gaze*
(turning on South Park)

69 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:58:09am

I was driving behind a truck the other day that had a 'I Miss Clinton' bumper sticker- most likely applied during the Bush Administration.

For some reason, I found myself nodding and saying 'I hear ya' while noticing that this guy had 6 months of hopenchange to scrape off his bumper sticker...yet there it was.

/leave it to BH0 to make me nostalgic for the Clintons...

70 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 12:58:16am

re: #66 iceweasel

(BTW, anyone else see that Buchanan called for Todd Palin to murder Levi Johnson?)

Didn't hear that. I'm not surprised by anything that anti-Semitic douche bag says anymore.

71 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:00:07am

re: #66 iceweasel

BTW, anyone else see that Buchanan called for Todd Palin to murder Levi Johnson?)

what's the story? Citations please.

72 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:00:07am

re: #65 BigPapa

So Ice, if that's your real name, it's just me and you. It seems your a tad left of me and hang out in the blue part of town.

Any good columnists, non-idiotarian, not conservative? As in, a centrist left equivalent of Kraut/Hansen/Steyn?

Rich and Dowd just make me shake my head in disbelief.

There are better bloggers than there are columnists...I don't like Rich either, though I hate him far less than I do Dowd.

I think I'd recommend the following (not because I always agree with them, mind)

Greg Sargent at PlumLine for general stuff


Spencer Ackerman
at Washington Independent, esp on defence

Ezra Klein, who's been better than I expected over at WaPo

Dan Froomkin for sure, when he starts up at HuffPo (the only thing decent about HuffPo, in my opinion)

Glenn Greenwald for civil liberties issues.

73 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:01:48am

re: #71 BatGuano

BTW, anyone else see that Buchanan called for Todd Palin to murder Levi Johnson?)

what's the story? Citations please.

He's such a jerk, isn't he?

While appearing on MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Buchanan said:

BUCHANAN: “Well, first, with regard to Levi, I think First Dude up there in Alaska, Todd Palin, ought to take Levi down to the creek and hold his head underwater until the thrashing stops.“

Time’s Mark Halperin then quipped: “That’s a reality show, right there.” The macabre humor was dark enough that MSNBC felt the need to follow-up with a disclaimer from Mika Brzezinski: “Just to clarify Pat’s incredible statement about Levi: Morning Joe does not advocate any violence against Levi Johnston, nor anyone else related to the Palin story.”

link to story here, video there as well.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

74 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:02:13am

Only 162 shopping days left 'til Christmas.

/Hint hint

75 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:02:55am

re: #67 Gus 802

You familiar with Bill Scher?

No, who is he? Should I read him?

76 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:04:14am

re: #73 iceweasel

link to story here, video there as well.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Thanks, Ice. Again I'm not surprised. Why Buchanan has any credibility is beyond me.

77 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:05:14am

re: #76 BatGuano

Isn't he MSNBC's 'token' conservative, who's more like a token paleocon?

78 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:05:49am

re: #75 iceweasel

No, who is he? Should I read him?

He's a liberal. Runs Liberal Oasis I think. But he does a lot of vlogs on bloggingheads.tv with Matt Lewis from Townhall. He's a good listener and is well spoken and respectful. I only know about him from bloggingheads.

79 Karridine  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:06:37am

Hey, Guys & Gals...

Thai TV is showing a HUGE blaze "in America" but didn't quite pin it down... y'all know of an urban fire, 5-alarm, lotsa trucks?

Karridine

80 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:07:01am

re: #76 BatGuano

Thanks, Ice. Again I'm not surprised. Why Buchanan has any credibility is beyond me.

Ditto. I can't believe he keeps being given a platform and that he's described as a 'prominent conservative'. It's unfair to real conservatives, IMO.

I guess the media loves him because he'll make for 'good' TV, like this bit. More reasons to hate the media.

81 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:07:47am

re: #77 Fenway_Nation

Isn't he MSNBC's 'token' conservative, who's more like a token paleocon?

If he is on PMSNBC, I hope he's not passing himself off as a conservative. But maybe he's the MSM's idea of what a conservative is.

82 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:08:28am

re: #77 Fenway_Nation

Isn't he MSNBC's 'token' conservative, who's more like a token paleocon?

Yep, that's right.

re: #78 Gus 802

He's a liberal. Runs Liberal Oasis I think. But he does a lot of vlogs on bloggingheads.tv with Matt Lewis from Townhall. He's a good listener and is well spoken and respectful. I only know about him from bloggingheads.

Ah ok...I don't tend to watch any of bloggingheads even when someone I like is on, for some reason. I'll check him out, thanks.

83 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:08:39am

re: #80 iceweasel

It's unfair to real conservatives, IMO.

That's exactly why they do it.

84 Karridine  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:09:29am

re: #80 iceweasel

THAT's why Buchanan's given a platform by enemies of conservatives... ITS UNFAIR to conservatives and conservatism, and normal, balanced middle-Americans hear/see that mental midget and think "Holy Moley, conservatives are CRAZY!"

THAT's why Buchanan's given a platform!

85 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:10:54am

re: #79 Karridine

Not smelling any smoke from my locale, altho' it could hardly be described as 'urban'.

/maybe they meant 'North America'

86 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:14:51am

re: #84 Karridine

THAT's why Buchanan's given a platform by enemies of conservatives... ITS UNFAIR to conservatives and conservatism, and normal, balanced middle-Americans hear/see that mental midget and think "Holy Moley, conservatives are CRAZY!"

THAT's why Buchanan's given a platform!

I don't think the MSM as a whole is 'the enemy of conservatives'. Even if an individual journalist is liberal, the same can't be said of the people who own the media or control the programming. Look at the sunday morning shows-- their idea of 'balance' is to have two Republicans come on to criticise a Dem policy.

I have no love for the media, believe me, but I think our chattering classes are more invested in vacuous non-stories and retaining access to whoever is in power. At the moment they love Obama, but that could change at any time. (They loved Bush in his first term, and they used to love McCain too.)

They're lazy and their empty gestures at 'reporting' do us all a disservice. Not only conservatives.

87 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:25:23am

re: #86 iceweasel

Ice, they tolerated GWB after 911. I listened to Peter Jennings that day saying that we need to know where Bush is. I was yelling at the radio " No, we shouldn't know where he is!"

The MSM is dominated by liberals. I follow MSNBC, CNN etc., I don't see the conservatives that you do.

88 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:26:49am

re: #87 BatGuano

P.S. Respectfully. :)

89 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:27:40am

re: #86 iceweasel

Do you ever sleep?

90 freetoken  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:28:08am

re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do you ever sleep?

He is an android.

91 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:28:45am

re: #86 iceweasel

Look at the sunday morning shows-- their idea of 'balance' is to have two Republicans come on to criticise a Dem policy.

That's it? That's your irrefutable proof that the MSM isn't out to get conservatives? The Sunday morning shows that people only sit through in the fall because the football game is coming up next?

You don't think the obsessing over the cost of Palin's wardrobe during the election, the notion that guns from America are soley responsible for the narcoinsurgency in Mexico, the trial-by-media of the Haditha Marines, whitewashing of 0bama's affiliation with Ayers and Wright or the non-coverage of the Little Rock recruiting center shooting could be viewed as going after things conservatives are sympathetic towards if not overtly hostile towards conservatives themselves?

92 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:29:21am

re: #90 freetoken

He is an android.

I thought Ice was a girly person.

93 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:29:54am

re: #92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Domo arigato, Ms. Roboto...

94 freetoken  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:30:16am

re: #92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I thought Ice was a girly person.

Ok... she is an android.

95 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:30:43am

re: #92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I thought Ice was a girly person.

and still is...

oops.

96 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:31:19am

re: #87 BatGuano

Ice, they tolerated GWB after 911. I listened to Peter Jennings that day saying that we need to know where Bush is. I was yelling at the radio " No, we shouldn't know where he is!"

The MSM is dominated by liberals. I follow MSNBC, CNN etc., I don't see the conservatives that you do.

The media still loved Bush after 9/11. I can find you loads of people, including Chris Matthews most infamously, waxing rhapsodic over Bush when he landed on that carrier for the "Mission Accomplished" speech in 2003. The things Tweety said then were just as cringe-inducing as when he made that comment about Obama and the leg tingle.

Also, throughout Bush's first term the media over-all continued the process of reporting WH press releases as though they were reporting news. (they're still doing that now with Obama)

I don't see an anti-conservative bias so much as I see the media being frivolous, shallow, self-obsessed, and lazy.

97 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:32:29am

re: #93 Fenway_Nation

re: #94 freetoken

Like Sharmuta...never know when they'll show up.

"Danger! Danger Will... what did that fucker say?...(post comment) Robinson."

98 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:32:37am

re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do you ever sleep?

I am a girly person with rotten sleep patterns. :(

99 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:35:06am

re: #98 iceweasel

You're East or West coast...I'm East, and I've been having some insomnia lately.

And I think the word for insomnia should sound much harsher and more desperate.

Insomnia sounds so sooothing.

It ain't.

100 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:37:00am

re: #91 Fenway_Nation

That's it? That's your irrefutable proof that the MSM isn't out to get conservatives?

Of course not. I wasn't intending to offer 'irrefutable proof' or even an argument, just mentioning one example.

You don't think the obsessing over the cost of Palin's wardrobe during the election, the notion that guns from America are soley responsible for the narcoinsurgency in Mexico, the trial-by-media of the Haditha Marines, whitewashing of 0bama's affiliation with Ayers and Wright or the non-coverage of the Little Rock recruiting center shooting could be viewed as going after things conservatives are sympathetic towards if not overtly hostile towards conservatives themselves?

No, I don't. I could easily give you a list of similar media obsessions, non-stories promoted (cost of Edwards' haircuts? Michelle Obama's sneakers?), and real stories overlooked in ways that harm 'the left' or Democrats.

I'm not going to convince you (or anyone) on this, nor do I expect to. My position is that the media is rotten at its core, not that it favours one party over another.

101 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:37:42am

re: #96 iceweasel

I up dinged you for sincerity: I've never doubted your sincerity but we see those years differently. Do you have a link for the Chris Matthews thing?

102 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:39:15am

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I tried getting to bed a little earlier last night (rare workday for me) only to be tormented by some mosquitoes that were buzzing around my head in the dark. I nailed two of them, but not before they helped themselves to some of my precious plasma...

103 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:40:28am

re: #102 Fenway_Nation

I tried getting to bed a little earlier last night (rare workday for me) only to be tormented by some mosquitoes that were buzzing around my head in the dark. I nailed two of them, but not before they helped themselves to some of my precious plasma...

Deny them your precious bodily fluids!

104 freetoken  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:40:35am

re: #100 iceweasel

My position is that the media is rotten at its core, not that it favours one party over another.


Hmmm... I don't see that. What I see is that "news" has become entertainment, and that entertainment throughout various forms in our culture has increasingly become juvenile.

Speaking of which, didn't anybody go to the new Potter opening?

105 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:41:25am

re: #104 freetoken

re: #100 iceweasel


Speaking of which, didn't anybody go to the new Potter opening?

Beatrix?

106 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:41:37am

re: #101 BatGuano

I up dinged you for sincerity: I've never doubted your sincerity but we see those years differently. Do you have a link for the Chris Matthews thing?

Yep, hang on and I'll find it. CM is one of the worst offenders, in my opinion.re: #102 Fenway_Nation

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Insomnia is not a good thing.

I just read about this guy with a rare sleep disorder; they say it only affects 2% of the population but I think I might have it.

Those salves might work for others who toss and turn at night, but not for George Dawes Green. The author has a rare sleep disorder that affects less than 2% of the population, experts say. His sleep schedule evolves, turning day into night and night into day.

107 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:44:40am

Studying when it's Summer is just...wrong.

108 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:45:35am

re: #107 TheMatrix31

Studying when it's Summer is just...wrong.

So you decided to set things right by showing up here then?

109 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:46:50am

Maybe I have that disorder...I've been sleeping at 7am pretty much every day for the past month.

110 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:47:15am

re: #108 Fenway_Nation

So you decided to set things right by showing up here then?

Hell yeah.

111 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:50:07am

re: #110 TheMatrix31

Misery insomnia and mosquito bites love company...

112 freetoken  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:50:47am

re: #109 TheMatrix31

Once that becomes a habit it is hard to break.

Doctor recommended procedure is to not and try to get up earlier, but rather to deprive oneself of sleep once on the habituated cycle. I've done that and it helps much better than simply trying to get up earlier, yet I still find myself becoming a night-owl. Been like that for years... decades...

113 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:52:12am

re: #111 Fenway_Nation

Misery insomnia and mosquito bites love company...


“House guests are like fish; they stink after three days.” - Ben Franklin.

114 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:53:25am

I'm not sure exactly why I gravitated to the LNDT-

Back when I did work, it was mostly afternoon/evening. I'd finish up, have a few beers & watch the game at the bar and maybe do some errands before heading back home. Usually I'd log into LGF just in time for the LNDT.

115 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:55:33am

re: #114 Fenway_Nation

LNDT is free-form art.

116 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:56:29am

re: #113 BatGuano

“House guests are like fish; they stink after three days.” - Ben Franklin.

Ironic. I have had house guests from Sweden for the last week.

The mosquito bite comment is interesting as well because my right leg has been itching for 2 days now, but I have NO bites on them.

117 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:56:29am

Morning Lizards.

118 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:57:15am

re: #117 rightside

Morning Lizards.

Morning, rightside.

120 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:58:05am

re: #117 rightside

Hey rightside! I think you're just in time for the precision fruitcup distribution drill.

121 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:58:26am

Chris Matthews aka Tweety gushing over Bush on May 1 2003:

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Some more pro-Bush comments by Matthews from 2005:

(links are to MMA, but they have video)

[S]ometimes it glimmers with this man, our president, that kind of sunny nobility." [Hardball, 10/24/05]

"Everybody sort of likes the president, except for the real whack-jobs, maybe on the left," adding, "I mean, like him personally." [Hardball, 11/28/05]

Before Bush had even delivered his November 30 speech at the U.S. Naval Academy, Matthews used variations of the word "brilliant" twice to describe it, while deriding Democratic critics of the Iraq war as "carpers and complainers." [MSNBC live coverage, 11/30/05]

Bush "belongs on Mount Rushmore."[Hardball, 12/16/05]

Matthews on the filibuster debate: Democrats are "just sort of pouting and bitching." [Hardball, 5/18/05]

Chris Matthews: Misinformer of the Year 2005

122 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:59:40am

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're East or West coast...I'm East, and I've been having some insomnia lately.

And I think the word for insomnia should sound much harsher and more desperate.

Insomnia sounds so sooothing.

It ain't.

How about "noctipulsion"? (night urge, or driven/compelled/motivated at night)

123 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 1:59:58am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

124 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:00:07am

re: #118 BatGuano

Morning BG!

re: #120 Fenway_Nation

Hey Fenway, I could always use some fruitcup™!

125 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:00:26am

verybigsigh

126 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:00:29am

WOOHOO! Early Fruitcup™!

127 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:00:56am

re: #122 haakondahl

How about the next James Bond movie: Noctopussy...?

128 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:01:15am

Sharmuta! :-)

129 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:01:24am

re: #116 TheMatrix31

Perhaps it's a thrill up your leg.

130 Karridine  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:01:46am

re: #125 littleoldlady

You missed yr window, Little Olde?

Or did you have a bad batch of frute karp and refuse to share it?

131 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:02:00am

re: #123 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

Thank you littleoldlady!

132 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:02:12am

re: #123 littleoldlady

I'm sure that was a miscalculation on your part and you didn't serve the fruitcup early because their expiration date was 7/16 or anything...right?

/

133 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:02:54am

re: #130 Karridine

Karridine! :-)

Think I'd get banned if I served fruitcrap every morning? ;-)

134 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:03:44am

BatGuano! :-)

re: #132 Fenway_Nation

Fenway! :-)

I miss red, too! ;-)

135 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:04:39am

re: #124 rightside

re: #118 BatGuano

Morning BG!

re: #120 Fenway_Nation

Hey Fenway, I could always use some fruitcup™!

Have you thought about a career in fruitcup distribution?

136 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:05:02am

re: #123 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

Good morning!

137 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:05:11am

re: #128 littleoldlady

Sharmuta! :-)

{littleoldlady} Thank you.

138 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:06:00am

re: #135 Fenway_Nation

I'm ready to retire. My new venture will be a tar and feather company.

/...the new Washington chic

139 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:06:21am

Matrix! :-)

140 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:06:53am

re: #138 littleoldlady

Are you sure? Tar leaves an awfully big carbon footprint, LoL...

141 freetoken  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:08:05am

re: #123 littleoldlady

Perhaps if you hooked up the Fruitcup-a-tron 2000 directly into the atomic clock in Boulder...?

142 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:08:23am

re: #140 Fenway_Nation

Are you sure? Tar leaves an awfully big carbon footprint, LoL...

The BIGGER the BETTER!

/wanna buy some tar credits?

143 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:09:05am

re: #141 freetoken

freetoken! :-)

That would certainly help.

/but is it cheating? ;-)

144 freetoken  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:10:31am

re: #143 littleoldlady

/but is it cheating? ;-)

Only if they catch you!

/heh, if it applies to politicians...

145 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:12:06am

re: #144 freetoken

Only if they catch you!

/heh, if it applies to politicians...

Which brings me full circle...back to my tar and feathers company. ;-)

/congresscritters will be easily recognized

146 freetoken  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:12:45am

BTW, I see the 'nirthers are going crazy over the latest developments in the Maj. Cook case.

While I expect the 'nirthers to be pushing their story for quite some time, I still believe the Who-Killed-Michael-Jackson? story will prove to have greater long-lasting abilities.

147 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:13:39am

Well...all this talk of carbon footprints gives me a gratuitous excuse to post this again:

What the hell happened to TLC anyways? It used to be the super-wicked-mega-awesome all-horsepower or all-blowing-shit-up all the time channel, now it's given us shows like A Wedding Story, Flip This House or Trading Spaces.

/For the record, the locomotives shown being assembled in the CP shops in Clagary have since been struck from the roster and are currently up for sale in Winnipeg, MB.

148 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:14:13am

re: #121 iceweasel

Thanks Ice: you got the goods. I didn't watch Hardball regularly until about a year after "Mission accomplished". :)

149 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:16:09am

Hey, littleoldlady. Are you following the Sotomayor confirmation hearings?

150 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:16:13am

re: #148 BatGuano

Thanks Ice: you got the goods. I didn't watch Hardball regularly until about a year after "Mission accomplished". :)

No prob Bat; thanks for posting the infamous tingle video upthread. :)

Matthews is a hack. Right now he favours Obama, but he basically says whatever comes into his mostly empty head. Freetoken is right I think when he says it's about how the news has kind of merged with entertainment.

151 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:17:27am

re: #149 BatGuano

Hey, littleoldlady. Are you following the Sotomayor confirmation hearings?

AKA Sotomayorapalooza.

152 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:17:38am

re: #145 littleoldlady

Which brings me full circle...back to my tar and feathers company. ;-)

/congresscritters will be easily recognized

Hey Littleoldlady.

153 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:18:37am

re: #151 Fenway_Nation

AKA Sotomayorapalooza.

I can't even pronounce that!

154 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:19:48am

re: #150 iceweasel

No prob Bat; thanks for posting the infamous tingle video upthread. :)

Matthews is a hack. Right now he favours Obama, but he basically says whatever comes into his mostly empty head. Freetoken is right I think when he says it's about how the news has kind of merged with entertainment.

Ice! You're pouring out my heart! :)

155 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:19:52am

re: #153 BatGuano

I can't even pronounce that!

Soto-Mayor-Apa-Looza!

//

156 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:20:02am

Hi, iDub.

157 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:20:39am

re: #146 freetoken

BTW, I see the 'nirthers are going crazy over the latest developments in the Maj. Cook case.

While I expect the 'nirthers to be pushing their story for quite some time, I still believe the Who-Killed-Michael-Jackson? story will prove to have greater long-lasting abilities.

They're going nuts on the latest on the Cook case, meaning that his orders for deployment have been revoked?

Or the fact that he has a history as a Freeper, a prior connection with Orly Taitz, and the fact that this whole lawsuit is looking like a scam-- given that he volunteered for deployment, most likely in order to bring the lawsuit in the first place?

Thanks to this guy's antics, either the troops he would have been deployed with will now be one person down, or someone else is going to get called up in a hurry with much less time to make arrangements & say goodbye to loved ones.

It'll be a rude awakening for the nirthers, but then confronting reality is not their strong point.

158 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:20:57am

re: #149 BatGuano

I was sitting in the waiting room of the doctor's office while talloldman was in with him and the hearings came on. After the first 5 minutes the only other person in the waiting room - and elderly gentleman - said to me,

"Should I turn it off or do you want the honor?"

I said, "One of us better, and quick! I can't afford to replace this TV!"

No. I'm not watching. I can't afford blood pressure meds, either...

159 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:21:09am

re: #153 BatGuano

re: #151 Fenway_Nation


I can't even pronounce that!

You can't pronounce it and our lawmakers can't read their own legislation who's passage is apparently a matter of life and death.

160 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:21:34am

Hiya Gus! :-)

161 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:21:45am

re: #156 Sharmuta

Hi, iDub.

Hey Sharm, what's happening?

162 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:24:22am

re: #158 littleoldlady

I was sitting in the waiting room of the doctor's office while talloldman was in with him and the hearings came on. After the first 5 minutes the only other person in the waiting room - and elderly gentleman - said to me,

"Should I turn it off or do you want the honor?"

I said, "One of us better, and quick! I can't afford to replace this TV!"

No. I'm not watching. I can't afford blood pressure meds, either...

I've only seen a few minutes of it myself. It's a charade and a fait accompli.

163 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:26:23am

re: #161 iceweasel

Not much, Girlfriend.

164 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:26:48am

Is tHugo Chavez sending the venezuealan Army in to occupy provinces governed by political rivals?

165 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:27:08am

re: #158 littleoldlady

I was sitting in the waiting room of the doctor's office while talloldman was in with him and the hearings came on. After the first 5 minutes the only other person in the waiting room - and elderly gentleman - said to me,

"Should I turn it off or do you want the honor?"

I said, "One of us better, and quick! I can't afford to replace this TV!"

No. I'm not watching. I can't afford blood pressure meds, either...

It was Al Franken's turn yesterday.

Politics are rather strange these days. Sometimes I get the feeling that the left wants us to all be like "Stepford Wives" and accept everything being fed to us by this administration.

Nothing new I suppose.

166 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:30:04am

re: #165 Gus 802

Indeed.

167 freetoken  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:32:36am

re: #157 iceweasel

They're going nuts on the latest on the Cook case, meaning that his orders for deployment have been revoked?

Well... it ought to be obvious to any true patriot that the only reason Cook's orders were revoked is because he had a strong legal case!

/heh...

Furthermore, according to WorldNutDaily, the Army had Mr. Cook fired from his civilian job as punishment!

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

The Beckians are going wild about it too.

/que sera sera...

168 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:33:46am

re: #166 BatGuano

Indeed.

Welcome to Bizarro World. I was even afraid to put a McCain bumper sticker on my car for fear of it being keyed.

169 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:34:58am

re: #167 freetoken

Well... it ought to be obvious to any true patriot that the only reason Cook's orders were revoked is because he had a strong legal case!

/heh...

Furthermore, according to WorldNutDaily, the Army had Mr. Cook fired from his civilian job as punishment!

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

The Beckians are going wild about it too.

/que sera sera...

Awesome. In comedic terms, this nirth certifikat stuff is the gift that keeps on giving.

I'm seriously wondering if Cook could end up courtmartialed for this stunt. Do you know? Does anyone?

170 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:35:44am

w00t...karma's just went over 5000 now.

171 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:35:47am

re: #168 Gus 802

Welcome to Bizarro World. I was even afraid to put a McCain bumper sticker on my car for fear of it being keyed.

I believe your fears were well founded. I live in the San Francisco bay area and I wouldn't think of it.

172 freetoken  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:36:19am

The response from the 'nirthers/Beckians/PrisonPlaneteers/etc. could best be describe by this one post at Beck's 912 site:

Holy Crap the Guy Won!!

173 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:36:43am

re: #170 Fenway_Nation

w00t...karma's just went over 5000 now.

Congrats! Well earned.

174 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:38:37am

re: #171 BatGuano

I always thought a good insurance scam to get rid of an unwanted jalopy would be to insure it up the wazoo, cover the back with Bush/Cheney '04 or McCain /Palin bumper stickers and park it on any street in San Francisco for a few hours...

175 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:39:16am

re: #171 BatGuano

I believe your fears were well founded. I live in the San Francisco bay area and I wouldn't think of it.

We must assimilate! Take me to your leader!

My cousin came to Denver for the convention. The jerk didn't even call me. Good, who care. He was bucking for a job with King Obama but didn't get it because they already hired too many men. Seriously.

176 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:39:22am

re: #173 BatGuano

Congrats! Well earned.

Not really, but thanks for the though.

177 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:40:24am

re: #176 Fenway_Nation

thought

/pimf

178 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:42:44am

re: #174 Fenway_Nation

I always thought a good insurance scam to get rid of an unwanted jalopy would be to insure it up the wazoo, cover the back with Bush/Cheney '04 or McCain /Palin bumper stickers and park it on any street in San Francisco for a few hours...

SFPD would charge you with incitement!

//Maybe who knows.

/

179 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:43:29am

re: #175 Gus 802

Gosh golly gee- maybe he could get one of those 'green collar' jobs they keep yammering about in the stimulus or cap and trade debates.

/because god knows there probably won't be anything left in the transportation, utility, energy or energy exploration sectors...

180 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:43:33am

re: #174 Fenway_Nation

In the late 60's. during the sanitation strikes in NYU, some people would wrap their garbage in gift wrap, leave it in their unlocked cars until a thief would take it away. Hilarity ensued!

181 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:45:02am

re: #180 BatGuano

In the late 60's. during the sanitation strikes in NYU, some people would wrap their garbage in gift wrap, leave it in their unlocked cars until a thief would take it away. Hilarity ensued!

New York not NYU. PIMF

182 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:45:17am
183 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:45:20am

re: #178 Gus 802

I was up there about 10 years ago with an old 35MM SLR camera and tripod taking time-exposure pictures of the skyline in the middle of the night. Somebody called the SFPD on me because they thought I was lugging around machine-gun tripod.

184 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:45:40am

re: #179 Fenway_Nation

Gosh golly gee- maybe he could get one of those 'green collar' jobs they keep yammering about in the stimulus or cap and trade debates.

/because god knows there probably won't be anything left in the transportation, utility, energy or energy exploration sectors...

I ares waitin' tu git me one of dem der Sumur green jobbs mysilf. I heres you can makes lots er munee.

//

185 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:48:45am

re: #183 Fenway_Nation

I was up there about 10 years ago with an old 35MM SLR camera and tripod taking time-exposure pictures of the skyline in the middle of the night. Somebody called the SFPD on me because they thought I was lugging around machine-gun tripod.

From a tripod to an MG? That's a first.

San Francisco is crime infested. Go across the bay and it's a literal killing field in Oakland and even into Berkeley.

186 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:49:55am

re: #180 BatGuano

I remember hearing about how an RV owner called the police when a would-be thief tried siphoning off some gas, but instead stuck the siphon hose in the RV's septic system.

I'm sure the conversation with the cops went something like this:

Officer: Would you like to file a report?
RV Owner: Nah- I thought it was fucking hilarious, so I'd share that with you...

187 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:52:21am

Good morning all.
Random thoughts from my crystal ball:
Obama's honeymoon will be over by September.
The health care boondoggle will fail to pass the House.
Unemployment rates will continue to rise.
Cap and trade doesn't pass the Senate in anything close to its current form.
Sotomayor is confirmed with far less than Roberts- like support- 68 votes, maybe.
Obama's response to a couple of nasty international crises in August/ September drives his poll numbers off the cliff and breaks open a flood of criticism from the MSM and from Democrats.
By late September there will be serious and solid media stories on Obama's perpetual campaign (e.g. the artificial Town Hall meetings,) and his campaign's Internet fundraising.

Less likely: The GOP actually finds a voice and shows some responsible opposition leadership.

Disclaimer: I thought Rudy Giuliani would be President now.

188 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:53:34am

re: #186 Fenway_Nation

I read that a few years ago. Never underestimate the stupidity of a thief.

189 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:57:10am

re: #187 Jim in Virginia


The health care boondoggle will fail to pass the House.
Unemployment rates will continue to rise.
Cap and trade doesn't pass the Senate in anything close to its current form.

I'd endorse the above. Cap &trade will definitely be savaged in the Senate. Some form of health care reform will limp out eventually, but lord knows what it will be. Unemployment will continue to go up, I think-- but if I remember right, unemployment is the last index to improve in a recession/depression.

Sotomayor will be confirmed.

I'd also look for the Obama honeymoon to end around August/Sept because, if I remember this correctly, 7 months is about the length of the honeymoon period for modern presidencies.

190 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:57:46am

morning folks...not sure why I'm up this early, but the quiet is kinda nice

191 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:57:54am

{My Rove} !

I thought I would be President now.

/my campaign staff failed me... ;-)

192 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:58:00am

re: #190 srb1976

morning srb

193 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:58:24am

re: #187 Jim in Virginia

The Health Care Tax Bill will probably pass the house and fail the Senate.

194 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 2:59:56am

re: #185 Gus 802

It was kind of funny...they pulled up ahead of me and waited for me to approach them as I was walking down one of the streets in Russian Hill. The first street light I walked under, they could clearly see that I was carrying camera equipment, not firearms. I didn't even break stride and they just left, although I could hear static-ey radio chatter about a 'possible armed man' in the vicinity, which I guess was me.

195 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:01:27am

Al Franken is going to be a HUGE gift to the 2010 Republican Senate campaigns.
From NRO's Campign Spot:

The newest senator began by saying that he was surprised Sotomayor wanted to become a prosecutor from watching Perry Mason, since the prosecutor, Berger, lost every week except one. He concluded, "What was the one case in Perry Mason that Berger won?" After saying that she couldn't remember the name of the episode or the case, Franken asked Sotomayor, "Didn't the White House prepare you for these hearings?"

A little on the silly side for a guy who needs to show the rest of the country that Minnesota still takes its representation in Washington seriously.

196 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:01:28am

re: #190 srb1976

morning folks...not sure why I'm up this early, but the quiet is kinda nice

Hi, SRB!

197 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:02:02am

re: #190 srb1976

Mornign srb!

Probably not too healthy for me to be up this late, but it's not like I have to get up for work later on this morning...

/also, me being on the LNDT this far into the night isn't exactly unprecedented

198 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:02:57am

re: #191 littleoldlady

{My Rove} !

I thought I would be President now.

/my campaign staff failed me... ;-)


Right, blame it on me!

199 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:04:49am

re: #198 Jim in Virginia

Right, blame it on me!

Nah. I blame the previous administration for the mess we are in.

200 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:05:13am

BTW, if Hurricane Katrina was Bush's fault, then I guess my being unemployed is 100% 0bama's fault...

201 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:05:16am

re: #194 Fenway_Nation

It was kind of funny...they pulled up ahead of me and waited for me to approach them as I was walking down one of the streets in Russian Hill. The first street light I walked under, they could clearly see that I was carrying camera equipment, not firearms. I didn't even break stride and they just left, although I could hear static-ey radio chatter about a 'possible armed man' in the vicinity, which I guess was me.

Russian Hill is pretty nice. Doesn't surprise me though that they made that call. Goofy people abound and it was probably from someone that makes calls like that on a recurring basis.

202 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:07:15am

re: #197 Fenway_Nation

Mornign srb!

Probably not too healthy for me to be up this late, but it's not like I have to get up for work later on this morning...

/also, me being on the LNDT this far into the night isn't exactly unprecedented

It's not that I'm never up this time of day/night...just that usually there's a work schedule involved...
Oh well...at least no one has woken up screaming yet...(happens around here all the time) = )

203 Gus  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:07:29am

re: #200 Fenway_Nation

BTW, if Hurricane Katrina was Bush's fault, then I guess my being unemployed is 100% 0bama's fault...

The don't call it the ObamaCONomy for nothing.

204 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:08:46am

re: #187 Jim in Virginia

Good morning all.
Random thoughts from my crystal ball:
Obama's honeymoon will be over by September.
The health care boondoggle will fail to pass the House.
Unemployment rates will continue to rise.
Cap and trade doesn't pass the Senate in anything close to its current form.
Sotomayor is confirmed with far less than Roberts- like support- 68 votes, maybe.
Obama's response to a couple of nasty international crises in August/ September drives his poll numbers off the cliff and breaks open a flood of criticism from the MSM and from Democrats.
By late September there will be serious and solid media stories on Obama's perpetual campaign (e.g. the artificial Town Hall meetings,) and his campaign's Internet fundraising.

Less likely: The GOP actually finds a voice and shows some responsible opposition leadership.

Disclaimer: I thought Rudy Giuliani would be President now.

Very impressive...did you enjoy your stay at the Holiday Inn Express last night?
Good Morning LGF.

205 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:08:51am

re: #203 Gus 802

The don't call it the ObamaCONomy for nothing.

I fear Obamageddon.

206 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:09:22am

re: #202 srb1976

Oh well...at least no one has woken up screaming yet...(happens around here all the time) = )

The LNDT Lizards? I bet alot of them regularly wake up screaming since november 4, 2008.

207 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:10:06am

re: #206 Fenway_Nation

The LNDT Lizards? I bet alot of them regularly wake up screaming since november 4, 2008.

Actually, I meant the munchkins...but now that you mention it...
= )

208 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:10:46am

re: #206 Fenway_Nation

...raises hand

Nightmares!

209 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:12:00am

re: #205 BatGuano

I fear Obamageddon.

Better half was watching history channel yesterday...one show after another about the end of the world...maybe they're on to something
//

210 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:12:07am

So how did Cato the Elder enjoy his Che Guevara Motorcycle Diaries pilgrimage?

211 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:13:28am

re: #204 Spare O'Lake

No. I was at the Marriott.

212 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:13:44am

re: #210 Fenway_Nation

So how did Cato the Elder enjoy his Che Guevara Motorcycle Diaries pilgrimage?

I'm updinging you because I never thought I'd see cato the elder, che guevara, and motorcycle diaries all referenced in one sentence.

Who doesn't love the LNDT??

213 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:19:06am

I think I'm coming down with tonsillitis (again!)...wish I could get the stupid things taken out...
{whine, whine whine}

214 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:19:25am

re: #209 srb1976

Better half was watching history channel yesterday...one show after another about the end of the world...maybe they're on to something
//

I didn't see it but I wouldn't doubt. Strange days indeed (John Lennon)

215 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:19:34am

re: #212 iceweasel

Iceweasel loved the LNDT, which is why she had to kill it...
/

216 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:19:44am

The beloved but arthritic fourteen year old dog just pooped all over the dining room.
I don't think it is lack of control- she just doesn't care where she goes now.

Must have coffee.

217 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:21:59am

re: #215 Fenway_Nation

Iceweasel loved the LNDT, which is why she had to kill it...
/

Yet each man kills the thing he loves,
By each let this be heard,
Some do it with a bitter look,
Some with a flattering word,
The coward does it with a kiss,
The brave man with a sword!

Some kill their love when they are young,
And some when they are old;
Some strangle with the hands of Lust,
Some with the hands of Gold:
The kindest use a knife, because
The dead so soon grow cold.

Some love too little, some too long,
Some sell, and others buy;
Some do the deed with many tears,
And some without a sigh:
For each man kills the thing he loves,
Yet each man does not die.

/who doesn't love Oscar Wilde?

218 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:25:29am

re: #217 iceweasel

Yet each man kills the thing he loves,
By each let this be heard,
Some do it with a bitter look,
Some with a flattering word,
The coward does it with a kiss,
The brave man with a sword!

Some kill their love when they are young,
And some when they are old;
Some strangle with the hands of Lust,
Some with the hands of Gold:
The kindest use a knife, because
The dead so soon grow cold.

Some love too little, some too long,
Some sell, and others buy;
Some do the deed with many tears,
And some without a sigh:
For each man kills the thing he loves,
Yet each man does not die.

/who doesn't love Oscar Wilde?

" I have nothing to declare except my genius" - Oscar Wilde

219 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:27:02am

"Pornography? I don't even have a pornograph" - Oscar Wilde

220 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:28:30am

re: #216 Jim in Virginia

The beloved but arthritic fourteen year old dog just pooped all over the dining room.
I don't think it is lack of control- she just doesn't care where she goes now.

Must have coffee.

Been there, done that. My old girl went on like that for months as she neared the end of her life.
You have my sympathy.

221 BatGuano  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:32:15am

Goodnight everyone. My best to mans best friend, Jim in Virginia.

222 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:33:09am

Goodnight moon lizards!

223 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:34:40am

Oh...new program idea for TLC--

Flip This Flophouse

224 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:34:49am

Good night to all who are leaving...hope you all have a great day

225 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:38:11am

Fox just ran a piece on some Jordyptians who will post a message for you on the security barrier for $50.00. That covers the cost of the spray paint with the rest funding rocket attacks social programs.

226 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:39:18am

re: #225 MandyManners

Fox just ran a piece on some Jordyptians who will post a message for you on the security barrier for $50.00. That covers the cost of the spray paint with the rest funding rocket attacks social programs.

Wow, that's quite the entreprenaurial spirit...too bad it can't be encouraged into a more positive direction...

228 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:48:54am

re: #226 srb1976

Wow, that's quite the entreprenaurial spirit...too bad it can't be encouraged into a more positive direction...

I'd like to know exactly which "social programs" this funds.

One of the hosts jokingly suggested that Mike Tobbin write their names on the barrier but he told them that that would show support for the Jordyptians.

229 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 3:54:30am

re: #220 Spare O'Lake

Been there, done that. My old girl went on like that for months as she neared the end of her life.
You have my sympathy.


Vet says we're not at the point of checking her out- we're adapting to her limitations. She is still a very good dog.

230 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:00:57am

re: #229 Jim in Virginia

A good dog is more than worth the hassle IMO...there are worse things in life than cleaning up the occasional "accident"

231 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:05:44am

re: #229 Jim in Virginia

Vet says we're not at the point of checking her out- we're adapting to her limitations. She is still a very good dog.

Have you considered diapers?

232 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:13:14am

re: #231 MandyManners

Have you considered diapers?

do they work? I have seen doggie diapers @ stores, but I've never seen them used...

233 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:14:52am

re: #232 srb1976

do they work? I have seen doggie diapers @ stores, but I've never seen them used...

My sister used them on her elderly dog.

234 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:24:32am

We must be approaching the Junction, 'cause this thread is just like Uncle Joe; it's moving kinda slow.

'Morning, folks.

Doggy diapers, huh?

235 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:25:31am

re: #234 razorbacker

I was just wondering if the day shift was running late this morning = )

236 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:27:08am

Omar Jamal, executive director or the Somali Justice Advocacy Center, is on Fox talking about the 20 men who've gone to Somalia. He says it's a betrayal and tha some of the mosques in Minneapolis are influencing these men.

237 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:29:10am

re: #235 srb1976

No doubt up late, drinking strong rum and plotting bloody rebellion.

My kind of boys.

'Buzz' Aldrin. You don't see many heroes named 'Buzz' anymore.

238 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:29:20am

re: #234 razorbacker

We must be approaching the Junction, 'cause this thread is just like Uncle Joe; it's moving kinda slow.

'Morning, folks.

Doggy diapers, huh?

Gonna' flash your pettycoat at us?

239 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:30:08am

Has 3wood been through yet?

240 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:31:48am

re: #239 razorbacker

Not in the last couple of hours...

241 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:32:39am

re: #238 MandyManners

Gonna' flash your pettycoat at us?

[Video]

I can think of many worse ways to begin your day. Well, not my petticoat, you understand that few would be so inclined, but the thought's the same.

242 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:33:48am

re: #241 razorbacker

Who's the adorable dude in your avatar?

243 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:34:21am

re: #236 MandyManners

Doesn't seem to be a big deal. These men did not go after January 20th, did they. They aren't mad at us anymore.

244 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:34:48am

re: #240 srb1976

I wanted his thoughts on the market run-up this week, and the chances of it continuing. I see that they are poised for an up opening, which surprises me after the last few sessions.

245 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:34:54am

re: #238 MandyManners

Bobbie Jo.

Rowr.

246 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:36:11am

re: #242 MandyManners

Who's the adorable dude in your avatar?

*Blush*

My aunt sent it to me. With a note, "See, I told everybody that you were cute, once. Before you ruined it."

247 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:37:14am

re: #246 razorbacker

Its a great picture...love the cowboy boots!

248 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:37:33am

re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Doesn't seem to be a big deal. These men did not go after January 20th, did they. They aren't mad at us anymore.

Omar Jamal didn't come across as a slick operator but appeared to be be genuinely concerned about these men and this situation.

249 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:38:34am

re: #244 razorbacker

I wanted his thoughts on the market run-up this week, and the chances of it continuing. I see that they are poised for an up opening, which surprises me after the last few sessions.

He said either yesterday or Tuesday that all it's done is put us where we were on--IIRC--June 18th.

250 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:39:17am

re: #245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bobbie Jo.

Rowr.

Down, boy. Down.

251 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:39:33am

re: #246 razorbacker

*Blush*

My aunt sent it to me. With a note, "See, I told everybody that you were cute, once. Before you ruined it."

I bet you were a pistol.

252 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:40:07am

AC guy will be here tomorrow!! so I get to spend today trying to get the house to look like it's not inhabited by a pack of wild dogs...or Hurricane Little Man

253 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:40:42am

re: #247 srb1976

Its a great picture...love the cowboy boots!

Man, I'm styling those boots. I loved those boots. Still waiting for the pony, though.

Buncha liars, is what they were.

Liars and dream-killers.

Well, anyways, let us not hold grudges, lest they drag us down from our lofty heights.

Shouldn't promise ponies and not deliver, though. Might scar an impressionable young fellow for life.

254 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:40:46am

re: #239 razorbacker

I'm waiting for his words of wisdom too.

255 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:40:49am

"A jihad on the successful" is how a millionaire on Fox describes FCBBHO's plan to tax the shit out of the rich.

256 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:41:24am

A jihad against the owners.

257 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:42:47am

re: #251 MandyManners

I bet you were a pistol.

I was a happy child, who grew into a happy adult.

Even now, it's hard for me to be grumpy for too long at a time. I manage, but it's hard.

258 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:45:08am

re: #253 razorbacker

Man, I'm styling those boots. I loved those boots. Still waiting for the pony, though.

Buncha liars, is what they were.

Liars and dream-killers.

Well, anyways, let us not hold grudges, lest they drag us down from our lofty heights.

Shouldn't promise ponies and not deliver, though. Might scar an impressionable young fellow for life.

Just for you!

259 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:45:36am

re: #257 razorbacker

I guess that depends on how you define "too long" doesn't it = )

260 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:45:37am

This is not the change I voted for.

The top rate in New York City, home to many of the state's wealthiest people, would be 58.68 percent, the Washington-based Tax Foundation said in a report yesterday.

That means New York's top earners, small-business owners and most dynamic entrepreneurs will be facing new fees and penalties.

The $544 billion tax hike would violate one of President Obama's ironclad campaign promises: No family will pay higher tax rates than they would have paid in the 1990s.

Under the bill, three new tax brackets would be created for high earners, with a top rate of 45 percent for families making more than $1 million. That would be the highest income-tax rate since 1986, when the top rate was 50 percent.

The legislation is especially onerous for business owners, in part because it penalizes employers with a payroll bigger than $400,000 some 8 percent of wages if they don't offer health care.

SNIP

261 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:47:16am

re: #257 razorbacker

I was a happy child, who grew into a happy adult.

Even now, it's hard for me to be grumpy for too long at a time. I manage, but it's hard.

It's hard to stay grumpy around The Kid 'cause if he detects that I'm grumpy, he'll something about "Ms. Grumpy-Pants" and I can't help but grin.

262 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:47:24am

re: #260 rightside

but it is EXACTLY what we knew we'd be getting isn't it?

263 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:47:52am

re: #258 MandyManners

Sure. Laugh at my pain. Make jest at dashing the cup of hope from a young man's lips.

I'll see if I can find you a puppy to kick, while you're at it. Would you rather have a spotted little puppy, or one with adorable big eyes?

264 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:48:43am

re: #261 MandyManners

It's hard to stay grumpy around The Kid 'cause if he detects that I'm grumpy, he'll something about "Ms. Grumpy-Pants" and I can't help but grin.

With all you non-grumpy people out there, I ought to get Her Royal Stoutness to give grumpy lessons...we're heading full speed into the terrible 2's and she has grumpy down to a science

265 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:50:21am

re: #260 rightside

This is not the change I voted for.


SNIP

For now, going after millionaires is the safe thing to do in the War of Class Envy.

How far down did FCBBHO and Plugs define "rich" during the campaign? IIRC, it started at $250,000.00, then went to somewhere in the $100,000.00 range, then down to $90,000.00 and finally to $70,000.00.

266 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:50:29am

re: #253 razorbacker

At least you're not bitter.

267 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:50:58am

re: #263 razorbacker

Sure. Laugh at my pain. Make jest at dashing the cup of hope from a young man's lips.

I'll see if I can find you a puppy to kick, while you're at it. Would you rather have a spotted little puppy, or one with adorable big eyes?

I've a cat to kick.

268 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:51:56am

re: #260 rightside

One of the many, many unforseen consequences of present fiscal policy is the detrimental effects of higher taxes on small business owners.

There are many businesses who many bring in a half-million or so revenue dollars but the actual profit dollars are much, much less. Raising taxes on those people will depress hiring, and small business hiring is a vital, or rather has been a vital, element in past recovery.

269 yochanan  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:51:57am

re: #258 MandyManners

with the amount of horse shit in washington d.c. there has got to be a pony somewere.

270 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:52:28am

re: #264 srb1976

With all you non-grumpy people out there, I ought to get Her Royal Stoutness to give grumpy lessons...we're heading full speed into the terrible 2's and she has grumpy down to a science

I don't recall The Kid being grumpy much but, he could pitch a galaxy-class fit.

271 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:54:03am

re: #269 yochanan

with the amount of horse shit in washington d.c. there has got to be a pony somewere.

It ain't horse-shit. It's bull-shit, and the place is packed with bull-shit producers.

272 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:54:54am

re: #265 MandyManners

For now, going after millionaires is the safe thing to do in the War of Class Envy.

How far down did FCBBHO and Plugs define "rich" during the campaign? IIRC, it started at $250,000.00, then went to somewhere in the $100,000.00 range, then down to $90,000.00 and finally to $70,000.00.

I hear they're going to firm this up and simplify it to mean it's "anyone who collects a paycheck."

273 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:55:14am

Malkin's on Fox. I think she's gonna' go after the czars.

274 yochanan  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:55:41am

re: #271 MandyManners

that and a WORLD CLASS COLLECTION OF WHORES

remember mandy whores can be male too.

275 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:55:50am

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

At least you're not bitter.

No, not bitter, much.

I can be magnanimous after all. I've outlived them all, so I've got that going for me.

And I understand, having owned horses, that ponies are much more attractive before you actually have to take care of the beasts. Best own a pony while you're still so small that someone else has to do the heavy lifting, er...scooping.

276 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:55:56am

re: #272 SixDegrees

I hear they're going to firm this up and simplify it to mean it's "anyone who collects a paycheck."

One way or another, everyone but the poor is gonna' get screwed.

277 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:55:58am

re: #262 srb1976

Exactly! No matter how many we told beforehand that this would happen, they still voted for him anyway, AND still support him!

It's pitiful when you still have people who cite polls, and rationalize the reasons as they watch the country torn apart. I have nothing further to say to those people. Despite mountains of evidence, they refuse to admit that liberalism/progressiveness is an epic failure. Liberals/Progressives should be forced to pay a 75% tax for the next 50 years, for wasting so much money on failed programs.

278 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:56:46am

re: #270 MandyManners

I don't recall The Kid being grumpy much but, he could pitch a galaxy-class fit.

The fits are easier to deal with...the hard part is not laughing at her...(the drama is very amusing)

279 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:56:50am

re: #274 yochanan

that and a WORLD CLASS COLLECTION OF WHORES

remember mandy whores can be male too.

Did you read Parliament of Whores by P.J. O'Rourke? He concluded that we're all whores.

280 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:57:21am

re: #265 MandyManners

Yes. I posted a story a while back, about Tom Golisano, the owner of the Buffalo Sabres, who is going to move his residence from NY to FL, and save $15 million a YEAR in income tax.

281 yochanan  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:57:28am

re: #276 MandyManners

cap and trade will make it too expansive for poor people to heat and a.c. there places and poor people and or old people will die.

282 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:57:55am

re: #277 rightside

Exactly! No matter how many we told beforehand that this would happen, they still voted for him anyway, AND still support him!

It's pitiful when you still have people who cite polls, and rationalize the reasons as they watch the country torn apart. I have nothing further to say to those people. Despite mountains of evidence, they refuse to admit that liberalism/progressiveness is an epic failure. Liberals/Progressives should be forced to pay a 75% tax for the next 50 years, for wasting so much money on failed programs.

Whatever happened horse whips?

283 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:58:33am

re: #278 srb1976

The fits are easier to deal with...the hard part is not laughing at her...(the drama is very amusing)

Does she have the heel-kicking going on?

284 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:59:23am

re: #259 srb1976

I guess that depends on how you define "too long" doesn't it = )

I thought of something funny that my wife told me once, but here we are in mixed company.

Something about 'too long' is just a sop to the male ego, since they can pooch a baby out of that thing.

She's a vulgar woman, my wife. I love that about her.

285 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:59:26am

re: #275 razorbacker

(punch-line)

"There's a pony in here somewhere!"

286 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 4:59:30am

re: #280 rightside

Yes. I posted a story a while back, about Tom Golisano, the owner of the Buffalo Sabres, who is going to move his residence from NY to FL, and save $15 million a YEAR in income tax.

Wouldn't his income still be taxed where it is earned?

287 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:00:08am

Good Morning Lizards. I hope everyone slept better than I did. 17 days until my family joins me. Hopefully having my wife in bed with me will cure my insomnia. If not we have lots to "catch up" on.

288 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:00:26am

re: #281 yochanan

cap and trade will make it too expansive for poor people to heat and a.c. there places and poor people and or old people will die.

I don't think so. I think FCBBHO will make sure there are subsidies to cover them. Or, maybe not. This guy doesn't seem to hold human life in high esteem.

289 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:00:39am

re: #286 MandyManners

State income tax. None in FL.

290 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:00:40am

re: #283 MandyManners

Does she have the heel-kicking going on?

better, she starts with the tiny foot stomping (her feet are still small enough to wear newborn booties), and follows up with a very dramatic flinging herself to the ground...curled up in a ball wailing like the end of the world...

291 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:01:44am

re: #276 MandyManners

One way or another, everyone but the poor is gonna' get screwed.

The poor get screwed too, once they get a gander at the super-VA-hospital-style health "care" they're going to wind up with.

"The number of patient toes nibbled off by rats fell last month, in a move the Administration characterized as 'encouraging.'"

292 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:02:23am

re: #287 Erik The Red

Have you thought about a 'script for Ambien?

293 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:02:56am

re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

State income tax. None in FL.

Can't NY still tax it or figure out a way to tax it?

294 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:03:00am

a cute story for a thursday morning Dog nurses baby pandas!

red pandas are just too friggin cute for words imho.

295 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:03:01am

re: #287 Erik The Red

winkwinknudgenudgesaynomore

296 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:03:05am

re: #291 SixDegrees

The poor get screwed too, once they get a gander at the super-VA-hospital-style health "care" they're going to wind up with.

"The number of patient toes nibbled off by rats fell last month, in a move the Administration characterized as 'encouraging.'"

It never fails to baffle me, how people who complain about gov't red tape in other areas of their lives, want the same gov't to take over health care...

297 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:03:48am

re: #290 srb1976

better, she starts with the tiny foot stomping (her feet are still small enough to wear newborn booties), and follows up with a very dramatic flinging herself to the ground...curled up in a ball wailing like the end of the world...

That foot stomping would be hard not to laugh at.

298 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:04:08am

re: #293 MandyManners

I don't know.

299 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:04:58am

re: #291 SixDegrees

The poor get screwed too, once they get a gander at the super-VA-hospital-style health "care" they're going to wind up with.

"The number of patient toes nibbled off by rats fell last month, in a move the Administration characterized as 'encouraging.'"

I think all but those who can afford to go to another country will get screwed by socialized medical care.

300 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:05:24am

re: #286 MandyManners

Exactly. Rush told him to get in contact with him, because he predicted that is what would happen. Even living in FL, his earnings would still be made in NY. They have tried that with Rush ever since he left.

Gov. patterson said something to the effect of, if I knew all we had to do was raise taxes on him to get him to leave, I'd have done it long ago.

301 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:05:41am

re: #285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's always been my philosophy.

re: #290 srb1976

I don't actually recommend it, since it instills a feeling of being put upon, but we used to gather around our daughter when she did this and critique her style.

"Impressive use of fist-flailing, don't you think?"

"Oh, yes, very impressive. And the tears. Just the right touch?"

"You don't think the tears are a little much? I think that the tears are a little much."

"No, no. Just the right amount of tears, I'd say."

It's hard to maintain a good mad when people are judging your mad.

302 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:06:40am

re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I remember that those who worked in Denver but lived in a suburb had their income taxed.

303 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:07:25am

re: #300 rightside

Exactly. Rush told him to get in contact with him, because he predicted that is what would happen. Even living in FL, his earnings would still be made in NY. They have tried that with Rush ever since he left.

Gov. patterson said something to the effect of, if I knew all we had to do was raise taxes on him to get him to leave, I'd have done it long ago.

What a jerk!

304 yochanan  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:07:40am

re: #294 Mithrax

a cute story for a thursday morning Dog nurses baby pandas!

red pandas are just too friggin cute for words imho.

The mother's rejection prompted a frantic search for a surrogate, and three canine candidates were found before the final bitch was chosen, the report added

305 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:08:11am

re: #301 razorbacker

She's still a bit young for the critique to work (won't be 2 for a few months yet)...I have been known to tell her brother "I don't know why you keep doing this...it never works, you don't gain anything by it" and things like that...but he's nearly 5 and his tantrums are few and far between (usually jsut when he hasn't been sleeping)

306 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:08:25am

re: #303 MandyManners

What a jerk!

Word.

307 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:08:26am

Yoo's fighting back.

308 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:08:44am

re: #300 rightside

Thought that was Spitzer or the previous...Rush was gone long before the current "what's his name" was in office.

309 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:08:52am

Congressional plans to fund a massive health-care overhaul could have a job-killing effect on New York, creating a tax rate of nearly 60 percent for the state's top earners and possibly pressuring small-business owners to shed workers.

New York's top income bracket could reach as high as 57 percent -- rates not seen in three decades -- to pay for the massive health coverage proposed by House Democrats this week.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Elections have consequences.

310 yochanan  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:09:12am

dodges mandy's clue bat
ouch that sucker hurts

311 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:10:45am

re: #292 MandyManners

Have you thought about a 'script for Ambien?

Hi MM. I don't like taking meds unless I am sick. I will struggle through this. Thanks for the advice.

312 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:11:15am

re: #306 rightside

It's extremely unseemly for elected officials to go after a "civilan" critic as the Democrats have gone after Rush. I don't recall any Republican doing that.

313 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:11:21am

Good morning all. Just checking before I go up a hundred or so posts to catch the drift of the morning talking points. Gorgeous day out there for once this week. Actually got a good sweat on the way to work.

314 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:11:55am

re: #309 Nevergiveup

Hopefully taxpayers won't be stingy.

315 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:11:59am

re: #308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No, it was patterson

316 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:12:02am

re: #311 Erik The Red

Hi MM. I don't like taking meds unless I am sick. I will struggle through this. Thanks for the advice.

Have you Googled the non-medicated ways to fight insomnia?

317 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:12:34am

re: #216 Jim in Virginia

The beloved but arthritic fourteen year old dog just pooped all over the dining room.
I don't think it is lack of control- she just doesn't care where she goes now.

Must have coffee.

Sorry to hear about your dog (and your floor), but I'm in Bagram with a week-old case of the trots, and I'm about to start crapping right here in the office. Tell your pooch I know how she feels.

318 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:12:39am

re: #313 BlueCanuck

Good morning all. Just checking before I go up a hundred or so posts to catch the drift of the morning talking points. Gorgeous day out there for once this week. Actually got a good sweat on the way to work.

FCBBHO SUCKS.

319 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:12:43am

re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

State income tax. None in FL.

Michigan hasn't learned this simple lesson yet. They still have a confiscatory death tax on their books that raids your estate after you're gone. So you spend a lifetime scraping what you can into a pile, live as best you off it in your declining years, then hope to pass along what's left to your heirs - only to have the state swoop in a grab a chunk of it once you can't complain about it anymore, and after you've already paid taxes on the pile during your lifetime.

The result? The people with most of the money - those nearing the end of their working life, with bulging retirement funds and homes they own outright or nearly so - leave the state in droves for sunnier, less confiscatory climes like Florida in order to hang onto as much of their wealth after they die as possible. Michigan, in turn, loses vast sums in foregone sales tax revenue, along with the departure of the state's best and brightest mentors.

320 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:13:14am

re: #317 haakondahl

Depends.

321 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:13:29am

re: #320 MandyManners

Depends.

Do they come in cammo?

322 Bloodnok  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:13:32am

"Good Morning" music. The great unreleased Radiohead song, the lovely, uplifting, exquisite "Lift" -only ever performed a few times.

Shoulda been their biggest hit.

Lift

323 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:13:37am

re: #316 MandyManners

Have you Googled the non-medicated ways to fight insomnia?

I think I might know what the problem is. I will confirm my theory in 17 days time.

324 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:13:39am

re: #311 Erik The Red

Hi MM. I don't like taking meds unless I am sick. I will struggle through this. Thanks for the advice.

Melatonin is not a drug, and does very nicely for me. OTC, and a supplement.

325 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:14:17am

re: #317 haakondahl

Sorry Haak. That sucks. Feel better!

326 yochanan  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:15:21am

re: #318 MandyManners

and the MSM SWALLOWS

327 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:15:37am

re: #305 srb1976

Yeah, she may be a little young.

One of the best lines was, "Oh. Look. How sad. I've broke her little heart. She'll never recover from this, I'll bet."

If you actually decide to use this, I strongly recommend that you save enough money to buy your own care for when you get old and decrepit. Otherwise you may find payback to be a bitch.

328 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:15:48am

re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Melatonin is not a drug, and does very nicely for me. OTC, and a supplement.

I have been told that by a few people. I will buy some today and give it a try.

329 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:16:36am

re: #312 MandyManners

Agreed. People will always disagree on policy, but when you have people like harry reidhole actively sending letters to the broadcaster, asking to silence Rush, there's a problem.

Our congress has long since forgotten who works for whom.

When bawny fwank was disrespectful to that student for daring to ask him if he felt any responsibility for the fannie/freddie fiasco, I would have told that [deleted]sucker that he works for me, not the other way around.

330 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:16:56am

re: #328 Erik The Red

Take two and call me in the morning. I tried two last night (for the first time) did sleep much better.

331 jvic  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:17:09am

re: #293 MandyManners

Can't NY still tax it or figure out a way to tax it?

I don't know for sure.

Years ago I heard that some states were trying to tax retirement accounts created in those states regardless of where the retirees were living when they tapped the accounts. It took a federal law to put a stop to it.

I know that some states tax visiting professional athletes, e.g. NY might tax Peyton Manning for the money he earns when playing in NY.

I'm guessing that NY could tax the Buffalo Sabres as a business, but could not tax the personal income of an out-of-state owner. Anything else would lead to tangled chaos IMO, but when has that stopped politicians?

332 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:17:39am

re: #327 razorbacker

Priceless!!!
fortunately, she saves her BIG tantrums for me...and I find them more funny than anything,
Her daddy spoils her very very rotten = )

333 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:17:52am

re: #319 SixDegrees

selfish bastards!

334 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:18:26am

re: #323 Erik The Red

the gibbous moon phase?

335 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:19:33am

re: #331 jvic

Think they'd get him if he came into town...tax...

They haven't heard of video-conferencing and roads and airplanes that go out of State.

336 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:19:55am

re: #309 Nevergiveup

Congressional plans to fund a massive health-care overhaul could have a job-killing effect on New York, creating a tax rate of nearly 60 percent for the state's top earners and possibly pressuring small-business owners to shed workers.

New York's top income bracket could reach as high as 57 percent -- rates not seen in three decades -- to pay for the massive health coverage proposed by House Democrats this week.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Elections have consequences.

So do fiscal policies. The rosy projections of increased tax revenue this bill projects are going to fall completely flat, far from expectations, because confiscatory tax policies cause people to change their behavior in order to avoid taxes. Whether they shift more of their income to 401ks or IRAs, convert a portion of it into instruments like stock options or craft some other clever way around this proposed increase, revenues are not even going to come close to projections. People aren't stupid, and they've managed to find endlessly clever ways to minimize their tax bills for centuries. Look for all sorts of exciting, new investment vehicles and compensation packages to flood the market the instant details of this proposal become known and passage looks certain.

337 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:21:45am

re: #318 MandyManners

FCBBHO SUCKS.

Well yes. That's a given on any given day for the next 3.5 years hopefully.

338 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:21:56am

re: #330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Take two and call me in the morning. I tried two last night (for the first time) did sleep much better.

Not to mention the fantastic dreams.

I seldom remember mine, unless I've taken that. Deep sleep, though.

339 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:24:06am

re: #338 razorbacker

No dreams for me last night, that I recall.

Question. Why is the word "I" capitalized, but the word "me" is not?

340 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:25:25am

It is evident that the Obama administration managed to schedule the Sotomayor hearing at the SAME TIME as the All-Star game, in an effort to keep our minds off the hearings. If you don't believe me, then just wait until Labor Day and see what they schedule.

341 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:25:25am

re: #339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No dreams for me last night, that I recall.

Question. Why is the word "I" capitalized, but the word "me" is not?

The thing with melatonin is that sometimes less is better. You have to find the rightamount by experimenting.

342 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:25:37am

re: #336 SixDegrees

Barack'll say..."First? Kill all of the Tax Lawyers and Tax Accountants".

343 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:26:15am

re: #340 Walter L. Newton

It is evident that the Obama administration managed to schedule the Sotomayor hearing at the SAME TIME as the All-Star game, in an effort to keep our minds off the hearings. If you don't believe me, then just wait until Labor Day and see what they schedule.

It's my theory that the hearings are so excruciatingly boring because they're putting us to sleep before breaking out the REAL questions and answers.

/

344 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:26:47am

re: #323 Erik The Red

I think I might know what the problem is. I will confirm my theory in 17 days time.

*blush*

345 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:27:01am

re: #339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No dreams for me last night, that I recall.

Question. Why is the word "I" capitalized, but the word "me" is not?

I don't know, me.

*A little cajun, to start your day.*

346 freetoken  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:27:16am

re: #339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why do we capitalize the word “I”?

347 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:27:44am

re: #329 rightside

Agreed. People will always disagree on policy, but when you have people like harry reidhole actively sending letters to the broadcaster, asking to silence Rush, there's a problem.

Our congress has long since forgotten who works for whom.

When bawny fwank was disrespectful to that student for daring to ask him if he felt any responsibility for the fannie/freddie fiasco, I would have told that [deleted]sucker that he works for me, not the other way around.

He does strike me as an imperial jerk.

348 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:28:54am

re: #343 OldLineTexan

It's my theory that the hearings are so excruciatingly boring because they're putting us to sleep before breaking out the REAL questions and answers.

/

I get the impression from your answer that you think I was trying to be humorous. I was not. This is manipulation by the government designed to keep us in the dark. I have heard that the health care bill will be up for vote on Labor Day. Any wonder?

349 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:28:56am

re: #346 freetoken

Why do we capitalize the word “I”?

Aieee! It's those Dutch printers again!

/

350 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:29:07am

re: #331 jvic

I don't know for sure.

Years ago I heard that some states were trying to tax retirement accounts created in those states regardless of where the retirees were living when they tapped the accounts. It took a federal law to put a stop to it.

I know that some states tax visiting professional athletes, e.g. NY might tax Peyton Manning for the money he earns when playing in NY.

I'm guessing that NY could tax the Buffalo Sabres as a business, but could not tax the personal income of an out-of-state owner. Anything else would lead to tangled chaos IMO, but when has that stopped politicians?

I'll note, in passing, that Mr. Sabin is pulling out of NY for FL.

I don't see what possibly could go wrong with NY state's plan, right there.

351 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:29:18am

re: #331 jvic

I don't know for sure.

Years ago I heard that some states were trying to tax retirement accounts created in those states regardless of where the retirees were living when they tapped the accounts. It took a federal law to put a stop to it.

I know that some states tax visiting professional athletes, e.g. NY might tax Peyton Manning for the money he earns when playing in NY.

I'm guessing that NY could tax the Buffalo Sabres as a business, but could not tax the personal income of an out-of-state owner. Anything else would lead to tangled chaos IMO, but when has that stopped politicians?

The feds actually stepped in to stop the taking of money?!

352 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:29:46am

re: #348 Walter L. Newton

I get the impression from your answer that you think I was trying to be humorous. I was not. This is manipulation by the government designed to keep us in the dark. I have heard that the health care bill will be up for vote on Labor Day. Any wonder?

I guess I'm just not into baseball and don't find it a distraction from this particular play.

353 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:29:47am

re: #342 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Barack'll say..."First? Kill all of the Tax Lawyers and Tax Accountants".

The result of people's cleverness at avoiding taxes is often the government casting a wider net. Repeat, ad infinitum, and the tax code does nothing but grow increasingly complex while tax rates do nothing but rise.

I strongly suspect that a simple, flat income tax of 10% on everyone, with no deductions, shelters or any other sort of evasion allowed, would wind up raising just as much revenue as the byzantine labyrinth of tax law we currently suffer under.

But politicians will never propose such a thing. Except to add a flat 10% tax on top of what is already being extracted.

354 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:29:55am

It sucks being a Sabres fan.

355 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:30:16am

re: #354 TheMatrix31

Tell me.

356 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:30:44am

re: #351 MandyManners

The feds actually stepped in to stop the taking of money?!

Of course, can't have any competition when the feds themselves come to take it.

357 Long Nics are Looonnng  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:31:08am

re: #346 freetoken

Thanks! So basically, because it is one letter and looks "off" sitting by itself in lower case. I think i agree. That is a good reason.

358 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:31:25am

re: #337 BlueCanuck

Well yes. That's a given on any given day for the next 3.5 years hopefully.

1284 Days, 05 Hours, 28 Minutes, 21 Seconds.

359 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:32:24am

re: #351 MandyManners

The feds actually stepped in to stop the taking of money?!

The small mob boss stepped on the big mob bosses toes. That's what happened.

360 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:32:54am

re: #340 Walter L. Newton

It is evident that the Obama administration managed to schedule the Sotomayor hearing at the SAME TIME as the All-Star game, in an effort to keep our minds off the hearings. If you don't believe me, then just wait until Labor Day and see what they schedule.

Ms. Stotomayor seems to be another in the long list of 'B' grade appointments in the Obamanation.

Like a Surgeon General whose prime claim to fame that seems to be a long list of family members who die from self-inflicted illnesses.

Well, onward and upward, like they used to say.

361 songbird  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:33:10am

Good morning Lizards!
Is it just me, or is our nation swirling downward a little quicker?

This may be of interest to New York Lizards.

And since my private attempts to communicate with The One are futile, I had may as well go public.

Dear President Obama

362 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:33:36am

re: #343 OldLineTexan

It's my theory that the hearings are so excruciatingly boring because they're putting us to sleep before breaking out the REAL questions and answers.

/

I useta' encounter something similar when I was covering various government boards. Some would try to wait me out by holding really long hearings and discuss the controversial stuff late at night. It didn't work because I was a night owl back then. Assholes.

363 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:35:01am

re: #356 Mithrax

Of course, can't have any competition when the feds themselves come to take it.

That was my first thought.

364 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:35:39am

re: #359 BlueCanuck

The small mob boss stepped on the big mob bosses toes. That's what happened.

The small boss got a fish in the mail.

365 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:36:17am

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks! So basically, because it is one letter and looks "off" sitting by itself in lower case. I think i agree. That is a good reason.

I think this is unfair to 'a'. This is discrimination against round letters!

366 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:36:20am

re: #255 MandyManners

"A jihad on the successful" is how a millionaire on Fox describes FCBBHO's plan to tax the shit out of the rich.

I'm feeling oddly sanguine about these things, albeit in the long term, not in the short. I can't imagine that a bunch of jerks who declare war on victory, who promote failure over success, and whose continued happiness depends on prolonging misery will be around to bother us for very long.

Now their programs will require a significant amount of dismantling, but I think that we will get that done, and in the process clean up some of the Great Society and New Deal as well. It will all have been shown, right down to the last red-diaper Chicagoan, not to work at all.
As usual--first the pain--then the victory.

"We shall not flag or fail... we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength... we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender!
367 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:36:31am

re: #364 MandyManners

The small boss got a fish in the mail.

"It means Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes"

368 freetoken  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:37:05am

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If you look at a printed page with a small font, with proportional spacing, "i" does seem to recede into the noise.

369 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:37:19am

re: #362 MandyManners

I useta' encounter something similar when I was covering various government boards. Some would try to wait me out by holding really long hearings and discuss the controversial stuff late at night. It didn't work because I was a night owl back then. Assholes.

I will try to patch things up with Walter by agreeing that it is an old tactic to blow as much smoke as possible and then hammer out "the real deal" in a smaller, private session and pass it in the dead of night. "Smoke-filled room" became a stereotype based on reality.

However, I do not find the All-Star game to be a major source of distraction from the Sotomayor hearings. What is distracting is the abysmal quality of the hearings, and the fact that I already know how it ends.

370 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:37:40am

re: #355 rightside

Tell me.

No money to spend on anything, questionable management, underachieving...

It's funny, I picked the Sabres to follow this past season in hopes to really get into hockey and become a fan, and it's scary how much they parallel the current state of my beloved Phoenix Suns, who I've watched since I was five years old.

371 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:38:05am

Well, there is my hour of idle chitchat, mindless drivel, and general fol-de-rol.

If that's how you spell it. Fol-de-rol, that is. Prolly not.

I'd better get busy feeding that which is hungry, watering that which is thirsty, and generally molding my little corner of heaven to suit my purpose.

Y'all have a good day, if you can see your way to do so.

372 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:39:43am

FCBBHO said in 2003 that over $70,000.00 is rich.

The joke around the blogs has been how low will Obama, Biden and their surrogates actually drop the threshold for tax cuts. As I said before I have always believed it would be much lower than $250,000. According to a 2003 interview Obama thinks anyone making $70,000 per year is rich and deserve higher taxes. He actually says “tax cuts” should go no higher than $70,000 in the following 2003 interview while running for his Senate seat. The article is appropriately called “The Faces Of Barack Obama, From 2003 To 2004″.

Here he is in that interview:


373 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:40:19am

re: #229 Jim in Virginia

Vet says we're not at the point of checking her out- we're adapting to her limitations. She is still a very good dog.

Of course. Mine had other serious health issues and she eventually bled out on the living room carpet. That was when I had to end the poor old girl's suffering.

374 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:40:43am
I'm flat broke but I don't care, I strut right by with my tail in the air...

- Barack Obama

375 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:40:46am

re: #366 haakondahl

The dismantling will take a Herculean effort.

376 songbird  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:40:52am

re: #367 Mithrax

"It means Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes"

What?? Not Uncle Luco!

///

377 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:41:17am

re: #367 Mithrax

"It means Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes"

Did Rahm really send that dead fish?

378 3 wood  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:41:17am

Good morning.
The market futures are flat before the open. We are at almost exactly the same Dow and S&P as we were 30 days ago. The market is trading sideways until a clear direction up or down is perceived from the economy.

379 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:42:14am

re: #370 TheMatrix31

Having grown up there, all I can say is no other city has had the misfortune of having such terrible things happen in pursuit of a championship.

380 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:43:02am

re: #360 razorbacker

Ms. Stotomayor seems to be another in the long list of 'B' grade appointments in the Obamanation.

Like a Surgeon General whose prime claim to fame that seems to be a long list of family members who die from self-inflicted illnesses.

Well, onward and upward, like they used to say.

Of course, some people are complaining about Sotomayor only because she is a liberal.

381 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:43:19am

re: #379 rightside

Having grown up there, all I can say is no other city has had the misfortune of having such terrible things happen in pursuit of a championship.

Cleveland's gotta be #1 on the list of "Most Screwed Cities" regarding sports.

382 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:43:34am

re: #375 MandyManners

The dismantling will take a Herculean effort.

The Augean stables comes to mind. That took some out of the box thinking to get done.

383 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:43:49am

re: #351 MandyManners

The feds actually stepped in to stop the taking of money?!

Taking by someone else, not by them.

384 Flyers1974  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:43:58am

Good morning everyone.

385 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:45:01am

re: #369 OldLineTexan

I will try to patch things up with Walter by agreeing that it is an old tactic to blow as much smoke as possible and then hammer out "the real deal" in a smaller, private session and pass it in the dead of night. "Smoke-filled room" became a stereotype based on reality.

However, I do not find the All-Star game to be a major source of distraction from the Sotomayor hearings. What is distracting is the abysmal quality of the hearings, and the fact that I already know how it ends.

That could happen only in an executive session and if you had an elected official who liked you/hated the other sides/was a blabber-mouth, you knew ahead of time what would be discussed. There are few things a politician hates more than a reporter eager to nail his ass for violating the Sunshine Law or other laws designed to keep government open. Goodness, I miss those days.

386 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:45:40am

re: #380 Walter L. Newton

Of course, some people are complaining about Sotomayor only because she is a liberal.

Look on the bright side. Long after PGI Obama is just a dim, distant memory we'll still have Sotomayor around to remind us of his grandeur.

Ain't it just wonderful?

Good day, y'all.

387 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:45:51am

re: #371 razorbacker

Well, there is my hour of idle chitchat, mindless drivel, and general fol-de-rol.

If that's how you spell it. Fol-de-rol, that is. Prolly not.

I'd better get busy feeding that which is hungry, watering that which is thirsty, and generally molding my little corner of heaven to suit my purpose.

Y'all have a good day, if you can see your way to do so.

What an up-lifting attitude and message!

388 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:46:11am

I missed this news item from last month

There was no memorial at the Staples Center, no motorcade. Simply, the passing of Darrel Powers.

Rest in Peace, Shifty.

A real American hero.

389 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:46:32am

re: #381 TheMatrix31

Ha! I laugh in your general direction.

390 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:47:40am

re: #380 Walter L. Newton

Of course, some people are complaining about Sotomayor only because she is a liberal.

I was just trying on my "I'm really a liberal" make believe conservative hat. It doesn't fit, I'm going to give it back to the person that gave it to me. Gone fishing.

391 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:47:59am

re: #374 TheMatrix31

Meow.

[Link: msplaceddemocrat.wordpress.com...]

392 jvic  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:48:10am

re: #359 BlueCanuck

The small mob boss stepped on the big mob bosses toes. That's what happened.

Makes sense.

People retire to low-tax states. For the moment, state income tax is a federal deduction, so the feds increased their own take by blocking interstate taxation. (Hopefully it wasn't the only reason.)

393 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:48:52am

re: #391 MandyManners

Oops!

Meow.


394 apachegunner  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:49:24am

re: #323 Erik The Red

I think I might know what the problem is. I will confirm my theory in 17 days time.

you horny bastard you :>)

395 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:50:32am

Does anybody have reliable informations about whats going on in Tehran? MJ's death seems to be still more important than this green revolution...

396 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:51:08am

re: #375 MandyManners

The dismantling will take a Herculean effort.

Agreed. I am not one of those who advocates winning through losing ("We'll just let them win, then they'll screw the country up, and we'll be swept into power!"), but we have been thrashed repeatedly and soundly, and we are now powerless to prevent the excesses of the left. As has been said here before, "They just can't help themselves!"
The only thing wrong with the "winning through losing" plan is that it's obscene, and in bad faith. But the mechanics are sound.
A Herculean effort will be possible, even welcome by then.

397 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:51:19am

re: #390 Walter L. Newton

I was just trying on my "I'm really a liberal" make believe conservative hat. It doesn't fit, I'm going to give it back to the person that gave it to me. Gone fishing.

Serves you right. :)

BTW, thanks to you I'm watching Lost now. Damn you! It's totally addictive.

398 3 wood  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:51:39am

Sports Nerd Corner:

Tom Watson, almost 60 years old, is leading the British open at the moment at 5 under. While it was nice to see Watson play a good round, there is no way he will be able to keep this up for 4 days. Those aging legs and arms will get a little wobbly and that will be enough to see him tumble down the leaderboard, but he should make the cut.

A whole bunch of folks are at -4. Tiger Woods it tied for 52nd place at +1, and he leaning very hard on his short game to stay that close.


for anybody watching the telecast, pay absolutely no attention to anything Ian Baker-Finch says in the broadcast booth. He's a clown. For the few minutes I watched this morning, I saw Woods slice an iron shot to the weeds on the right cause he is hanging back on his back foot to protect his surgically repaired front knee. That means he is throwing the club head at the ball with his a hands to get it closed at impact, and when you do that you spray the ball, thus the slice. He will also hit some duck hooks doing that too.

So what does Finch say? He tells the audience that Woods slid over the top of the ball and was ahead of it at impact. No way Woods can do that on his bum front knee. Finch must be blind or dumb, I can't figure out which but it does not matter.

I look for some no name to get hot, get a lucky bounce here and there and take the British this year. I look for Woods to be ultimately in the top 10 cause of his outstanding short game, but he will be in the weeds too many times over 4 days to win it.

399 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:51:48am

re: #348 Walter L. Newton

I get the impression from your answer that you think I was trying to be humorous. I was not. This is manipulation by the government designed to keep us in the dark. I have heard that the health care bill will be up for vote on Labor Day. Any wonder?

Every day is labor day with this administration. Or should I say "union" day.

400 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:51:52am

You see, I'm in this state of limbo here while studying for my midterm to be taken in six to seven hours where I know the topic matter and find it an extreme annoyance to actually sit and read through my notes but still have to do it to pick up on minor things so I can BS my way through 6 three-to-five "short answer" identifications.

401 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:52:38am

re: #392 jvic

You kidding? If the feds were looking at lower income because of an upstart raising it's taxes, of course they are going to bring the hammer down. There's only so much money to get from Joe Q. Public.

402 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:52:56am

re: #400 TheMatrix31

You see, I'm in this state of limbo here while studying for my midterm to be taken in six to seven hours where I know the topic matter and find it an extreme annoyance to actually sit and read through my notes but still have to do it to pick up on minor things so I can BS my way through 6 three-to-five "short answer" identifications.

What's it on?
(good luck, btw)

403 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:53:05am

re: #382 BlueCanuck

The Augean stables comes to mind. That took some out of the box thinking to get done.

Democrats would bridle against such an effort.

404 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:53:39am

Good morning folks. Finally, we have a lovely summer day here in Toronto.

re: #395 Joshua Cohen

Try this website: [Link: thespiritofman.blogspot.com...]

Winston is a long time LGFer, originally from Iran, now living in Canada. He keeps regular contact with friends & family back home and his posts have good insight into what the mood is over there.

405 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:54:38am

re: #383 SixDegrees

Taking by someone else, not by them.

Reminds me of three toddlers: one toddler has more toys so the second toddler starts taking some but the third toddler stops the second only to turn around and take them himself.

406 songbird  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:54:47am

re: #401 BlueCanuck

You kidding? If the feds were looking at lower income because of an upstart raising it's taxes, of course they are going to bring the hammer down. There's only so much money to get from Joe Q. Public.

I'm looking for a tax payer revolt...through the ballot box and public protests.
...and they think Mr. Songbird and I are rich! And I'm still unemployed in the People's Republic of Maryland!

407 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:55:01am

re: #384 Flyers1974

Good morning everyone.

Top of the morning to you!

408 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:55:25am
409 Spider Mensch  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:55:26am

re: #388 rightside

I missed this news item from last month

There was no memorial at the Staples Center, no motorcade. Simply, the passing of Darrel Powers.

Rest in Peace, Shifty.

A real American hero.

Thank You for posting that. he is remembered as a hero and gentleman!

as a side, I wonder exactly how many of the famed Easy company are left? I think Dick Powers is, and the mention Bill Guerrere (sp)..time to do some searching I guess.

410 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:55:35am

re: #389 rightside

Ha! I laugh in your general direction.

Nicer than farting.

411 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:55:52am

re: #402 iceweasel

What's it on?
(good luck, btw)

Thanks! It's on Foreign Relations of the US post-1945...pretty much Cold War Politics, lol.

412 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:55:54am

re: #390 Walter L. Newton

Dontcha know, Soto is a "sekrit joodishul acktavest". Jes' you wait.

413 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:56:24am

re: #392 jvic

Makes sense.

People retire to low-tax states. For the moment, state income tax is a federal deduction, so the feds increased their own take by blocking interstate taxation. (Hopefully it wasn't the only reason.)

I wonder how soon that deduction will be eliminated.

414 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:56:53am

re: #409 Spider Mensch

Band of Brothers is my favorite series of all time. Hanks/Spielberg did a marvelous job on it. I watch the entire series at least twice a year.

415 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:57:15am

re: #410 MandyManners

Nicer than farting.

It's a guy thing

416 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:57:17am

re: #396 haakondahl

Agreed. I am not one of those who advocates winning through losing ("We'll just let them win, then they'll screw the country up, and we'll be swept into power!"), but we have been thrashed repeatedly and soundly, and we are now powerless to prevent the excesses of the left. As has been said here before, "They just can't help themselves!"
The only thing wrong with the "winning through losing" plan is that it's obscene, and in bad faith. But the mechanics are sound.
A Herculean effort will be possible, even welcome by then.

Yes, it seems to be the only path.

417 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:57:30am

re: #396 haakondahl

Trouble is that with most government programs they come with large amounts of inertia. Especially if they are drawn and sounded out as "helping" the little people. Healthcare if it gets passed will become an albatross around your collective necks. Look at us, we are reaping the whirlwind up here in Canada with that boondoggle. Let's say that spending percentages in Ontario are reflective for the rest of the country. Currently it's at 40% of our current provincial budget. It's expected to rise rapidly with the increasing age of the population. So we could see it rise to almost 50-60% in the next ten years. What has to happen? Do we cut programs? Raise taxes? Both? If there's a left/centre party in power you know that taxes will be going up.

418 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:58:11am

re: #400 TheMatrix31

You see, I'm in this state of limbo here while studying for my midterm to be taken in six to seven hours where I know the topic matter and find it an extreme annoyance to actually sit and read through my notes but still have to do it to pick up on minor things so I can BS my way through 6 three-to-five "short answer" identifications.

Knock 'em dead!

419 jvic  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:59:42am

re: #401 BlueCanuck

You kidding? If the feds were looking at lower income because of an upstart raising it's taxes, of course they are going to bring the hammer down. There's only so much money to get from Joe Q. Public.

Um, that's what I said. Or meant to say, anyway.

If a high-tax state is allowed to tax a resident of a low-tax state instead of the low-tax state taxing that income, the higher taxes will be federally deductible and lower the feds' take. Let alone if both states tax the income.

I don't understand your 'You kidding?'.

420 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 5:59:54am

Other Iranian links worth checking:

[Link: www.roozonline.com...]
[Link: www.irantracker.org...]

and then there is this list of English language Iranian blogs:
[Link: www.iraniansblogs.com...]

421 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:00:26am

re: #408 rightside

Poor in Colorado may get free phones

I don't get it. Every time I drive past Section 8 housing, I see a LOT of cell phones.

422 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:00:27am

re: #411 TheMatrix31

Thanks! It's on Foreign Relations of the US post-1945...pretty much Cold War Politics, lol.

Well, with some of the discussions here, you should be able to pick up extra credit for obscure factoids. :)

/unless your teacher is a flaming liberal and thinks RWR was a war monger...

423 Spider Mensch  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:00:30am

re: #414 rightside

Band of Brothers is my favorite series of all time. Hanks/Spielberg did a marvelous job on it. I watch the entire series at least twice a year.

it is a wonderful tribute to those fine, brave men.

424 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:00:46am

re: #418 MandyManners

Knock 'em dead!

Didn't do so hot on my midterm in my other class. 48 outta 69. Bastard told us the tests would be lecture-based, then the day before the midterm he throws out this nonsense about drawing from the readings. Subsequently went and bought the overpriced course reader which was a compilation of articles that should have just been posted on the internet in PDF form, but of course couldn't read everything due to time constraints.

Argh.

425 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:01:21am

re: #411 TheMatrix31

Thanks! It's on Foreign Relations of the US post-1945...pretty much Cold War Politics, lol.

Yow. Will you have to remember a lot of dates?

I always find it a little much when points are taken off for exact dates, so long as one is in the correct ballpark. Better to require that students understand the trends and what was going on, rather than focussing on brute memorisation. IMO.

426 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:01:23am

re: #408 rightside

Poor in Colorado may get free phones

BTW, I'm all for giving cell phones to victims of DV and medically frail people.

427 srb1976  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:01:58am

Ok, gotta start busting people out of bed...ya'll have a great day!

428 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:01:58am

re: #419 jvic

Ah, probably my mistake then. Still trying to cycle the caffeine through my system. :)

/is that something like an IronFist rule? Don't try to be too smart or coherent before you're fully awake?

429 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:02:04am

re: #408 rightside

Poor in Colorado may get free phones

Well, that's be a boon to drug dealers and prostitutes, anyway. Gotta keep at least some part of the economy moving.

430 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:02:06am

re: #404 Kenneth

Thx!

431 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:02:14am

re: #422 BlueCanuck

Well, with some of the discussions here, you should be able to pick up extra credit for obscure factoids. :)

/unless your teacher is a flaming liberal and thinks RWR was a war monger...

It's amazing. The guy's last name is Shevchenko and is FROM Russia, but it's been one of the most politically-fair classes I've experienced in a long while given the touchy subject matter.

432 1SG(ret)  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:02:36am

Drive By:

Realwest, if your are reading, "you have mail" and prayers for you and yours my friend!

Those that don't pray, please keep Realwest in your thoughts. No better friend could anyone ever hope to have!

Top

433 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:02:41am

re: #412 Kenneth

Dontcha know, Soto is a "sekrit joodishul acktavest". Jes' you wait.

In her own words.

434 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:03:27am

re: #431 TheMatrix31

Well that's good to hear. A fair and balanced teacher of history is a treasure.

435 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:03:55am

re: #415 Nevergiveup

It's a guy thing

*snicker*


436 jvic  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:03:59am

re: #428 BlueCanuck

Don't try to be too smart or coherent before you're fully awake?

Wow. I'd have to drastically cut down my posting... ;-)

437 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:04:11am

re: #405 MandyManners

Reminds me of three toddlers: one toddler has more toys so the second toddler starts taking some but the third toddler stops the second only to turn around and take them himself.

Buncha commie toddlers!

438 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:04:16am

re: #425 iceweasel

Yow. Will you have to remember a lot of dates?

I always find it a little much when points are taken off for exact dates, so long as one is in the correct ballpark. Better to require that students understand the trends and what was going on, rather than focussing on brute memorisation. IMO.

Nah, I don't think dates are a major issue. I guess just know when Yalta happened, Kennan's findings, Cuban Missile Crisis, Nixon/China, etc. Nothing major, I don't think.

I'm more confused as to how a "short answer" ID question is expected to have three-to-five paragraphs. I don't know, the way I've always been taught is that IDs are a couple sentences, a short answer is one or two paragraphs, and an essay is anything with an intro, body, and conclusion.

439 Spider Mensch  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:04:24am

re: #409 Spider Mensch

Dick Winters*
/my apologies Major.

440 apachegunner  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:04:51am

re: #408 rightside

Poor in Colorado may get free phones

does that mean Walter gets a free phone?

441 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:04:56am

re: #426 MandyManners

I donate all my used ones for DV victims.

442 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:05:16am

re: #440 apachegunner

No, he is a producer. He provides them.

443 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:05:26am

War and Taxes
Two strikes against the new administration
by Victor Davis Hanson

On War:


But someone, apparently to be forever unmentioned, did something right for Obama to inherit relative calm in Iraq, a democratic government that still survives and which is exposing the old shibboleth "we only empowered Iran by going into Iraq" to be a short-term truism at best; when, in fact, a multiparty, Shiite-majority democracy in Iraq that replaced Saddam is probably proving far more destablizing to nearby 8th-century clerics in Iran than are their own IEDs and bought terrorists in Iraq.

On Taxes:

We are living in a surreal age of $2 trillion annual deficits, in which we just casually talk about "more stimulus", "reforming health care", "fixing education", "cap-and-trade", while fighting two wars abroad — all the while "not raising taxes on 95% of Americans" — all predicated on the idea that "they" will always be willing and able to create new wealth and now hand over two-thirds and more of it to an ever-expanding government.

Go yea and read, for it is good.

444 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:06:00am

re: #424 TheMatrix31

Didn't do so hot on my midterm in my other class. 48 outta 69. Bastard told us the tests would be lecture-based, then the day before the midterm he throws out this nonsense about drawing from the readings. Subsequently went and bought the overpriced course reader which was a compilation of articles that should have just been posted on the internet in PDF form, but of course couldn't read everything due to time constraints.

Argh.

One of my biggest thrills in college was getting the list of texts and then buying them. Ah, the smell of a new book...! The memory still curls my toes after all these years.

445 Spider Mensch  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:06:41am

re: #409 Spider Mensch

Thank You for posting that. he is remembered as a hero and gentleman!

as a side, I wonder exactly how many of the famed Easy company are left? I think Dick Winters is, and the mention Bill Guerrere (sp)..time to do some searching I guess.


a quick search led me to this answer to my question...
[Link: wiki.answers.com...]

446 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:07:28am

re: #426 MandyManners

BTW, I'm all for giving cell phones to victims of DV and medically frail people.

It certainly has it's place. Currently, though, ALL cell phones are required to put calls to 911 through, whether the phone's account is active or not. There are programs to collect old cell phones and distribute just the hardware to the poor just for this reason; even though they're no longer attached to an account, the 911 calls still work, although all other call attempts will fail.

The proposed program, however, plans to give over an hour of unlimited access to recipients, no matter who the call is placed to (not sure about how long distance would be handled). I see massive potential for fraud and abuse.

447 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:07:32am

re: #437 Spare O'Lake

Buncha commie toddlers!

Goes to show that Communism is based on naked greed.

448 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:08:07am

re: #441 rightside

I donate all my used ones for DV victims.

So did I after I got through with my divorce. My wedding ring, too.

449 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:09:24am

What you talkin' bout, Willis? Sears Tower renamed

CHICAGO – One of the world's most iconic skyscrapers has long tempted Chicago visitors to squint, crane their necks and try to see the tip of the country's tallest building. But starting Thursday, Sears Tower will be gone.

Sort of. Its black, block-like architecture and towering rooftop spikes will remain, but the widely recognized name it carried for three decades will be pushed out by a British company.

Willis Tower will be introduced to Chicago by Mayor Richard M. Daley and others on Thursday during a public renaming ceremony hosted by Willis Group Holdings. The London-based insurance brokerage secured the naming rights as part an agreement to lease 140,000 square feet of space, and has said it plans to bring hundreds of jobs to the city.

But some locals aren't sold.

"It's always going to be the Sears Tower. It's part of Chicago and I won't call it Willis Tower. In Chicago we hold fast," Chicago teacher Marianne Turk, 46, said as she stood in line this week to go up to the building's Skydeck.

450 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:09:30am

re: #446 SixDegrees

It certainly has it's place. Currently, though, ALL cell phones are required to put calls to 911 through, whether the phone's account is active or not. There are programs to collect old cell phones and distribute just the hardware to the poor just for this reason; even though they're no longer attached to an account, the 911 calls still work, although all other call attempts will fail.

The proposed program, however, plans to give over an hour of unlimited access to recipients, no matter who the call is placed to (not sure about how long distance would be handled). I see massive potential for fraud and abuse.

I wonder if ACORN will in any way be connected to the program.

451 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:09:39am

re: #438 TheMatrix31


I'm more confused as to how a "short answer" ID question is expected to have three-to-five paragraphs. I don't know, the way I've always been taught is that IDs are a couple sentences, a short answer is one or two paragraphs, and an essay is anything with an intro, body, and conclusion.

Short paragraphs, no doubt.
In my experience, the paragraph number guideline is there because students always ask how long an answer should be. Length isn't as important as content though (unless your grader is excessively pedantic/lazy); if you know what you're talking about and you're a good writer a two paragraph concise answer will get an A. I'm sure you'll kick butt. Para one, 2 senteces ID'ing the person or event; Paras 2 & 3 explaining the significance, 2 or 3 sentences each. You know the drill.

452 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:10:14am

re: #444 MandyManners

One of my biggest thrills in college was getting the list of texts and then buying them. Ah, the smell of a new book...! The memory still curls my toes after all these years.

Every so often I'll pop into a university bookstore to see what the course books are...if I think it's neat I'll grab a copy.

453 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:10:16am

re: #448 MandyManners

By the way, I am getting my new phone today, and have no use for my motorola razr V3.

Any lizards know of someone who is in need, free of charge?

454 redneckkahfir  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:11:15am

Joshua Cohen I replied to your cad program question last night. But you prolly didn't see it.

I am an unabashed cheerleader for Solidworks.

It is kinda pricey, but that is because it works.

PS. I may be able to help you out. I have solidworks and am in the trade.

455 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:11:19am

re: #450 MandyManners

I wonder if ACORN will in any way be connected to the program.

Throwaway cell phones with untraceable accounts? What would a bunch of professional protest organizers ever want with such things?

What could possibly go wrong?

456 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:11:28am

re: #452 Mithrax

Every so often I'll pop into a university bookstore to see what the course books are...if I think it's neat I'll grab a copy.

Really? I do that all the time!

457 Spider Mensch  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:11:59am

re: #445 Spider Mensch


but here's the definitive site for Easy company..this is good..

[Link: www.menofeasycompany.com...]

458 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:12:01am

re: #452 Mithrax

Every so often I'll pop into a university bookstore to see what the course books are...if I think it's neat I'll grab a copy.

Knowledge is power.

459 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:12:33am

re: #433 MandyManners

She does have a habit of saying one thing and then correcting herself, doesn't she? It's my not be clear what she really thinks, but it's obvious what she "feels".

460 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:12:52am

re: #421 MandyManners

I don't get it. Every time I drive past Section 8 housing, I see a LOT of cell phones.

It's like all them satellite dishes you see in Gaza City

461 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:12:58am

bbiasec

462 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:13:06am

re: #451 iceweasel

Short paragraphs, no doubt.
In my experience, the paragraph number guideline is there because students always ask how long an answer should be. Length isn't as important as content though (unless your grader is excessively pedantic/lazy); if you know what you're talking about and you're a good writer a two paragraph concise answer will get an A. I'm sure you'll kick butt. Para one, 2 senteces ID'ing the person or event; Paras 2 & 3 explaining the significance, 2 or 3 sentences each. You know the drill.

Definitely know the drill.

463 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:13:10am

re: #444 MandyManners

Bibliophiliac!

464 Mithrax  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:13:29am

re: #456 iceweasel

re: #458 MandyManners

Yup. It's neat to see what is going on and some of the books I've not read yet.

465 3 wood  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:14:38am

re: #408 rightside

From you link:

Thousands of low-income Coloradans reliant on public assistance could get a free cellphone under a plan before the state Public Utilities Commission.

If approved, the plan by TracFone Wireless in Miami would make Colorado the 17th state it has settled into with free cell service for the indigent, a form of wireless welfare that proponents say taps into one of the last untapped markets for the telecom technology.

"Our hope is to have it up and running by September," said Jose Fuentes, TracFone's director of government relations. "Historically, it's a very underutilized service, and we'd like that to change."

The program is a twist on Lifeline, a long-standing federal subsidy that

provides low-income families with a break on their land-line telephone bill in order to ensure emergency 911 service.

In Colorado, it's called LITAP — the Low Income Telephone Assistance Program — and is available to anyone receiving aid from any of six welfare funds: Colorado Works Assistance (TANF), Supplemental Security Income, LEAP, Aid to Needy Disabled, the Old Age Pension Fund and Aid to the Blind.

Statewide, about 65 percent of those eligible participated in Lifeline last year.

The money — more than $800 million in subsidies were paid last year for low-income phone service across the country — comes from the Universal Service Fund, a tax on all telephone lines. Of that amount, Coloradans received nearly $3.2 million in low-income subsidies.


This is a great example of left wing MSM spin and misuse of terms to hide their intent. They love to think that they can get themselves something for nothing if they just move the chess pieces around enough. What they are really going after in getting something that is free to THEM, and spends somebody else's income to their own benefit.

First, these phones are not "free". They cost money to make and operate. Second, they admit so when they say that the money for them is coming from a tax on phone lines. So how are the phones "free" when they cost taxpayers money? So they contradict their own story.

This is just another transfer of wealth move.

466 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:16:24am

There are definitely some nice textbooks floating around. I really liked the Intro To Business textbook I got for my class in community college a couple years ago. I really do wish I had the patience/concentration to read. I wonder if I'd be diagnosed with ADD if I went to a doctor.

467 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:16:29am

re: #421 MandyManners

I don't get it. Every time I drive past Section 8 housing, I see a LOT of cell phones.

Ah, missed this on the first go by. Actually a cell phone is a convienent replacement for a land line. Easier to stay in touch if you expect to be out and about. I was living on my own there for a bit, and couldn't really afford the deposit for a landline. At $275 CAD I was able to buy a cellphone, get a pay and talk account and stay in touch with work and friends. Whenever I needed minutes I just topped it up. Lived like that for five years before actually getting a contract for my cellphone.

468 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:16:35am

Semi-OT: This is good news for all who care about DV/women's rights:


The Obama administration has opened the way for foreign women who are victims of severe domestic beatings and sexual abuse to receive asylum in the United States. The action reverses a Bush administration stance in a protracted and passionate legal battle over the possibilities for battered women to become refugees.

New Policy Permits Asylum For Battered Women

They require that the asylum seekers prove they're victims of domestic violence, and also that they be from a country where DV victims don't have anywhere to go. So it's very good for women fleeing from oppressive countries and misogynistic regimes.

In addition to meeting other strict conditions for asylum, abused women will need to show that they are treated by their abuser as subordinates and little better than property, according to an immigration court filing by the administration, and that domestic abuse is widely tolerated in their country. They must show that they could not find protection from institutions at home or by moving to another place within their own country.

469 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:16:53am

re: #457 Spider Mensch

Thanks for the link. My dad got there just as the war was ending.

470 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:17:24am

re: #465 3 wood

From you link:


This is a great example of left wing MSM spin and misuse of terms to hide their intent. They love to think that they can get themselves something for nothing if they just move the chess pieces around enough. What they are really going after in getting something that is free to THEM, and spends somebody else's income to their own benefit.

They move their pawns two spaces on the second and third move and don't get called on it.

471 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:17:52am

re: #422 BlueCanuck

Well, with some of the discussions here, you should be able to pick up extra credit for obscure factoids. :)

/unless your teacher is a flaming liberal and thinks RWR was a war monger...

According to the most recent revision of history, Reagan was no war-monger--in fact, he had no impact whatsoever in ending the Cold War. Apparently, brave Soviet Comrades and enlightened Party Secretaries brought about a world with no Cold War, by either causing or waiting in breadlines, no doubt.

Within three years, Reagan will no longer have been President.

472 3 wood  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:18:05am

re: #432 1SG(ret)

Those that don't pray, please keep Realwest in your thoughts. No better friend could anyone ever hope to have!

100% accurate.

Prayers going up for real.

473 songbird  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:18:53am

re: #467 BlueCanuck

Ah, missed this on the first go by. Actually a cell phone is a convienent replacement for a land line. Easier to stay in touch if you expect to be out and about. I was living on my own there for a bit, and couldn't really afford the deposit for a landline. At $275 CAD I was able to buy a cellphone, get a pay and talk account and stay in touch with work and friends. Whenever I needed minutes I just topped it up. Lived like that for five years before actually getting a contract for my cellphone.

We have gone to cell phone only, and we are using the Boost phones...no contract, flat fees, unlimited talk and text. We only did that because there is no Cricket service in this area.

474 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:19:56am

re: #435 MandyManners

*snicker*

Youtube Video

I wish a Republican would play this at the hearing and ask Sotomayor to explain herself.

475 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:20:01am

re: #465 3 wood

Did you also notice that they have four separate programs for the low income? Four bureaucracies, that do the same thing. Instead of making it one entity, they replicate it, and waste more money.

Another sterling example of leftist/progressive thinking.

476 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:20:20am

re: #463 Kenneth

Bibliophiliac!

Oh, you wouldn't believe!

477 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:20:47am

re: #468 iceweasel

That is good news.

478 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:20:49am

re: #464 Mithrax

re: #458 MandyManners

Yup. It's neat to see what is going on and some of the books I've not read yet.

An un-read book is an un-met friend.

479 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:21:59am

re: #468 iceweasel

Wonderful news- thank you for sharing it.

480 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:22:04am

re: #465 3 wood

From you link:


This is a great example of left wing MSM spin and misuse of terms to hide their intent. They love to think that they can get themselves something for nothing if they just move the chess pieces around enough. What they are really going after in getting something that is free to THEM, and spends somebody else's income to their own benefit.

First, these phones are not "free". They cost money to make and operate. Second, they admit so when they say that the money for them is coming from a tax on phone lines. So how are the phones "free" when they cost taxpayers money? So they contradict their own story.

This is just another transfer of wealth move.

And, who's to say that the confiscated money won't be spent on other things?

481 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:22:13am

re: #457 Spider Mensch

I loved Band of Brothers. After The Wire, it's the best show HBO ever produced. I'm looking forward to their series about the Pacific war.

482 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:23:06am

re: #467 BlueCanuck

Ah, missed this on the first go by. Actually a cell phone is a convienent replacement for a land line. Easier to stay in touch if you expect to be out and about. I was living on my own there for a bit, and couldn't really afford the deposit for a landline. At $275 CAD I was able to buy a cellphone, get a pay and talk account and stay in touch with work and friends. Whenever I needed minutes I just topped it up. Lived like that for five years before actually getting a contract for my cellphone.

But, you didn't expect someone else to pay for it.

483 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:23:30am

re: #476 MandyManners

Me too. Which is why the Kindle holds no charm for me. I can understand why a professional who needs to have access to dozens of reference manuals at hand would find the Kindle useful, but I'll take a handsomely bound hardcover by the fireplace or a good pocket book in the hammock at the beach for "pleasure reading".

484 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:23:53am

re: #481 Mad Al-Jaffee

I thought that fell by the wayside? I haven't seen anything on that in a couple years...

485 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:24:26am

re: #478 MandyManners

An un-read book is an un-met friend.

"Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."

Groucho Marx

486 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:26:00am

When journalists say there is no such thing as truth then the world is in big trouble

Woe to us that a journalist thinks this way. Of course, this is very similar to the older version that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

Recently, I heard that latter one from the Danish ambassador to the Council of Europe who said that Hamas and Hizballah were like the Danish resistance in World War Two. I replied, among other things, that I don’t remember the Danish or other World War Two European resistance movements bombing German kindergartens and glorying in getting Danish civilians killed as human shields.

I also don't think that the Danes and other European resistance movements were attempting to commit genocide on the Germans. I do believe it was the other way around.

487 Jimmah  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:26:59am

Interesting suggestion from Brett at Harry's Place, concerning who should lead Labour into the next election.

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

488 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:28:26am

re: #484 rightside

I thought that fell by the wayside? I haven't seen anything on that in a couple years...

According to IMDB, it's been completed. Don't know when it's going to air.

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

489 3 wood  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:29:35am

re: #475 rightside

Another sterling example of leftist/progressive thinking.

The whole point is to confiscate assets. To do that, you have to demonize some segment of society in order to justify punishing them with taxes to benefit the rest of society. Thus the current move to "tax the rich".

Except many more people are going to want hand outs than they thought and ultimately "the rich" will end up including folks making very little money.

One of the problems with socialism is sooner or later you run out of other people's money to spend.

490 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:30:13am

PETA suggests nondairy Michael Jackson sculpture

DES MOINES, Iowa – People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals have come up with an idea for sculptor Sarah Pratt and the Iowa State Fair — instead of using butter for a Michael Jackson sculpture, how about a nondairy spread?

Officials with the fair, known for its butter cow, announced days after Jackson's death that they also would display a sculpture of the King of Pop. Last Wednesday, they said they would let the public decide in an online ballot.

Iowa State Fair marketing director Lori Chappell said as of Tuesday more than 70,000 people have voted on the Web site. Chappell said early on, most people voted `no.' Since then, there has been a surge of `yes' votes.

Meanwhile, PETA recommends using something called "Earth Balance," which it describes as a "nondairy buttery spread" if there is a Jackson sculpture.

If it were me I would change from butter to lard.

491 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:30:21am

Calif. tax officials: Legal pot would bring $1.4B

A bill to tax and regulate marijuana in California like alcohol would generate nearly $1.4 billion in revenue for the cash-strapped state, according to an official analysis released Wednesday by tax officials.

The State Board of Equalization report estimates marijuana retail sales would bring $990 million from a $50-per-ounce fee and $392 million in sales taxes.

The Joint Venture Party™ fully supports this legislation.

492 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:31:12am

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

PETA suggests nondairy Michael Jackson sculpture


If it were me I would change from butter to lard.

I would make it out of veal sausage.

493 3 wood  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:31:50am

Woods ended his first round at the British Open at 1 over par, tied for 57th place. The conditions were outstanding and he really should have shot several under par.

494 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:32:08am

re: #412 Kenneth

Dontcha know, Soto is a "sekrit joodishul acktavest". Jes' you wait.

As Christopher Walken said to Dennis hopper in True Romance, "Come Again?"

This is not the same as Nirtherism, Trooferism, or any of the other moronic, deformed modes of thought we lampoon around here.
"Judicial Activism" is not the boogeyman the Left would have its satire of the right portray. It is a simple, real, definitional difference of opinion on the role of the court in governance.
Constitutional Constructivists feel that the legislative branch should have the lead in changes to laws, and that it is not in the purview of the courst to take public sentiment, evolving standards, international waffle recipes or anything other than what the U. S. Constitutition, Constitutionally coherent existing laws of the land, and the body of precedent in Constitutional Law into account.
Judicial Activists feel that the judicial branch is America's last best hope to rescue this backward and embarassing country from the approbations of foreign legal scholars and imams, the sniffing disdain of various committees of the U.N., because the Congress, and therefore the majority of Americans, need to be led by their betters.
The difference is whether SCOTUS should decide what is right, or what is Constitutional.
Judge Sotomayor is emphatically Judicial Activist. She is no Constitutional Constructivist. See her answers to Sen. Cornyn's questions. That's the meat of this hearing.

495 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:33:10am

re: #491 Sharmuta

Calif. tax officials: Legal pot would bring $1.4B

The Joint Venture Party™ fully supports this legislation.

Well, I've heard that everything goes better with a bag of weed...

496 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:33:27am

re: #494 haakondahl


Judge Sotomayor is emphatically Judicial Activist. She is no Constitutional Constructivist. See her answers to Sen. Cornyn's questions. That's the meat of this hearing.

None of her actual rulings or decisions show her to be a judicial 'activist'. She's the opposite.

497 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:33:38am

re: #489 3 wood

Instead of elevating everyone, they simply lower everyone to the same level.

That's what's so great about this country. Everyone has the same opportunity, and those who work hard, take risk, and excel, are rewarded greatly (well, not so much anymore).

498 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:33:59am

re: #489 3 wood

The whole point is to confiscate assets. To do that, you have to demonize some segment of society in order to justify punishing them with taxes to benefit the rest of society. Thus the current move to "tax the rich".

Why don't they just call the rich "Kulaks" and get on with liquidating the counter-revolutionary classes?

499 3 wood  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:34:02am

re: #480 MandyManners

And, who's to say that the confiscated money won't be spent on other things?

That's a very good point. And the MSM would look the other way.

500 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:34:30am

re: #488 Mad Al-Jaffee

Thanks for that!

501 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:34:40am

re: #495 MrSilverDragon

Well, I've heard that everything goes better with a bag of weed...

I "heard" that too. Hold it. Hold it. Exhaaaul.

502 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:34:52am

re: #486 Kenneth

When journalists say there is no such thing as truth then the world is in big trouble

What's up is down and what's down is up. The good thing about not having any morality or grounding in something, is that you can make right and wrong anything you wish...even change it around if it suits you.

The only problem with that mind set is that calling a wrong a right does not make it right. If something is bad, it's bad...pretending it isn't may help justify or rationalize goals and wishes, but it's still something bad.

This world is amazing

503 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:35:45am

re: #491 Sharmuta

Calif. tax officials: Legal pot would bring $1.4B

The Joint Venture Party™ fully supports this legislation.

It will help us all when we ask if Arnold is Stoned or Stupid

504 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:35:47am

re: #483 Kenneth

Me too. Which is why the Kindle holds no charm for me. I can understand why a professional who needs to have access to dozens of reference manuals at hand would find the Kindle useful, but I'll take a handsomely bound hardcover by the fireplace or a good pocket book in the hammock at the beach for "pleasure reading".

The smell of the ink and paper and the *crack* of the spine when first opened cannot be replicated by Kindle.

505 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:36:14am

re: #485 Mad Al-Jaffee

"Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."

Groucho Marx

I thought about that quote just yesterday!

506 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:36:31am

re: #494 haakondahl

I agree with you 100%. Sometimes my double edged irony is not as clear as I had hoped.

507 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:36:48am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that people are finally starting to realize the startling and devastating details of the health care plans that the Democrats are proffering.

It's a real killer.

It's a plan that will raise taxes on everyone.
It's a plan that will kill jobs.
It's a plan that will kill private health care insurance.
It's a plan that will reduce the quality of care.
It's a plan that will kill.

Why?

It starts with the taxes - raising taxes on everyone, and which will hit health professionals quite hard; reducing their numbers or the number of patients they will be willing to see. It will also hit businesses extremely hard, particularly small businesses that might contemplate expanding down the road. They lose any and all incentives to do so because the health care taxes and surtaxes hit the bottom line. Avoiding those taxes will itself impose penalty taxes.

That, in turn, will kill jobs, and put a brake on the economy.

Then, there's the private health insurance poison pill. You'll be able to maintain your health care insurance as it is now, but if you switch jobs, you'll be out of luck. It is meant to phase out private health care insurance over time, and private businesses will likely drop plans even faster.

And why should anyone believe that the government, which provides inadequate care in the IHS and VA going to do any better across a population size magnitudes larger? You shouldn't. The quality of care will drop significantly, and it will put lives at risk.

It's a bad idea every way you slice it, and yet the Democrats still have the numbers to make this happen. That's the scariest part of all.

508 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:36:51am

re: #397 iceweasel

Serves you right. :)

BTW, thanks to you I'm watching Lost now. Damn you! It's totally addictive.

I was out walking the three dogs, just got back in. Good for you on LOST. I don't know how you are watching, but Seasons 1-4 are out in box sets, you should be able to catch up season 5 on line (try ABC and/or Hulu (sp?). Or, season 5 box set will be out around the holidays, which would still give you time to watch it before the final season starts in 2010.

If you have any questions during your "quest," ask. I write for a LOST blog and very capable of explaining things without tipping spoilers.

Neat for you :)

509 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:37:03am

re: #485 Mad Al-Jaffee

"Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."

Groucho Marx

A nice thick book of boring non-fiction essays is the best treatment for insomnia that I know. I usually lose consciousness after 2 or 3 pages at most.

510 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:37:20am

re: #465 3 wood

Not only are democrats in congress financially inept, so are their MSM handlers. There is not such thing as "free". ever.

511 apachegunner  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:37:23am

re: #496 iceweasel

None of her actual rulings or decisions show her to be a judicial 'activist'. She's the opposite.

yes, she only mentioned that was the job of a judge, although in the same thought she said she shouldn't be saying that. notice she isn't saying that now?

512 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:37:25am

re: #504 MandyManners

The smell of the ink and paper and the *crack* of the spine when first opened cannot be replicated by Kindle.

tree killer...why do you hate Gaia? Do you have something against Spotted Owls too?

/

513 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:37:41am

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

Well, non dairy alternatives sound like a fair representation given that much of Jackson's visage was no longer real, having been plasticized away over the years.

514 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:39:04am

re: #504 MandyManners

The smell of the ink and paper and the *crack* of the spine when first opened cannot be replicated by Kindle.

The crack of the spine? Sure that can be replicated by a Kindle. It's called the crack you hear the first time you drop a Kindle on a tile or wood floor. Of course, that might be the last time your Kindle works, but you have the satisfaction of the *crack*. /

515 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:39:07am

re: #489 3 wood

The whole point is to confiscate assets. To do that, you have to demonize some segment of society in order to justify punishing them with taxes to benefit the rest of society. Thus the current move to "tax the rich".

Except many more people are going to want hand outs than they thought and ultimately "the rich" will end up including folks making very little money.

One of the problems with socialism is sooner or later you run out of other people's money to spend.

In No. 372 I posted a video in which FCBBHO said that above $70,000.00 is rich.

516 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:40:05am

re: #491 Sharmuta

Calif. tax officials: Legal pot would bring $1.4B


The Joint Venture Party™ fully supports this legislation.

Can of worms time

If it were to pass (ostensibly as a revenue generator) there would have to be an entire new beuracracy set up to;
regulate the stores selling it
ensure the quatoity of the weed
protect businesses (for instance, it's okay to go out for lunch and have a glass of wine or a martini, is it okay to go out to lunch and have a joint?)

517 Jimmah  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:40:12am

Show me the intermediate fossils! Whale evolution:

518 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:40:58am

re: #499 3 wood

That's a very good point. And the MSM would look the other way.

The MFM won't even be looking at it in the first place, not even those who cover the public utilities commission and telecom.

519 aggieann  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:41:20am

re: #504 MandyManners

The smell of the ink and paper and the *crack* of the spine when first opened cannot be replicated by Kindle.

As a librarian's daughter and former English major, I must say that my experience has been completely different. Having a book downloaded and ready to read in just a few seconds is a huge thrill, IMO.

520 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:41:21am

re: #454 redneckkahfir

Oh I looks like I missed your comment.
But the Problem with Solidworks is that it will not run naturally under Linux, or as far as I know it does not.

Solidworks is fine but I use Catia right now (after Pro/E in former times) and we payed dearly for it - but even after talking to colleagues we are not happy with the support and the needed super high power workstations vs. the problematic security.

For different reasons (one is being more green and save money to, easy full disk encryption is another) the IT department migrated to Linux and so I am looking for a real alternative.

So far I did not find one.
Running it in a VM seems the only solution so far.

521 KenJen  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:41:34am

Saw a funny b-day card this morning. On the front it had Obama standing in front of a podium making a speech. Inside it said "See, there is something scarier than getting old." Morning Lizards.

522 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:41:39am

re: #468 iceweasel

Re: DV/DA Immigration/Asylum Policy

YAY!

I am actually thinking of returning to the big dusty with some NGO, and this has been the bent of my thinking. Women's rights will be the crux in any of these places. It will take generations to get a critical mass (the Universities and sections of some cities will always respond quickly, but it's not enough), but this will be the "secret" weapon. It is an open secret, as people like the Mullahs and the Taliban know this quite well, and have made their position known. But they argue not from a position of strength, rather weakness.
If a man does not feel that he can abuse his wife (wives, no less) in his society, then she will moderate his other excesses. Thus the long war is won, one icy bedroom at a time.
The rest amounts to providing security, stability, confidence, and a chance to take some ownership in the new system, until the homefront can be brought to bear. Sine qua non, of course, but not the real point.

Of course, that NGO tour can't come very soon for me, or there'll be another icy bedroom. Somewhere I won't even have a key for.

523 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:42:17am

Oh dear, not all is well in Obamaland. One of his erstwhile supporters, Marty Peretz, editor of left-leaning magazine TNR is fed up:

Obama's Chutzpah. Sorry, Only Israelis Have Chutzpah. So It's Obama's Haughty Condescension.

Frankly, I am sick and tired of President Obama's eldering--more accurately, hectoring--Israel's leaders. It is, after all, they whose country is the target of an armed and ideological cyclone that Obama has done precious little to ease. He brought nothing back from Riyadh and Cairo, absolutely nothing except the conviction of the Arab leaders that they need do nothing but sit and wait until the president squeezes one concession after another out of Jerusalem. Oops, I apologize. Maybe I should still say Tel Aviv. In any case, waiting is exactly what they are doing. Palestinian President Abbas has prided himself in doing just that. He had said so, as I pointed out in this space a few weeks ago.

Maybe you weren't offended by Obama's advice to Israel, via some 15 American Jewish leaders, that it had to "engage in serious self-reflection," as if it took its perils frivolously. But I know many Democrats who are; they're just a bit intimidated to say so.

What message did the president think he was giving the reactionary and cloistered Saudi monarch when he curtsied before him? That Abdullah should engage in serious self-reflection the way royals are accustomed to doing?

Cracks are starting to show.

524 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:42:49am

re: #512 Desert Dog

tree killer...why do you hate Gaia? Do you have something against Spotted Owls too?

/

I was living in rural Oregon when the spotted owl controversy was going on. One restaurant had a "menu" with all kinds of spotted owl dishes. I saw a lot of vehicles with reference to wiping one's butt with a spotted owl.

525 ggt  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:43:31am

Good Morning Lizards! It is a beautiful morning in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

526 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:43:33am

re: #514 lawhawk

The crack of the spine? Sure that can be replicated by a Kindle. It's called the crack you hear the first time you drop a Kindle on a tile or wood floor. Of course, that might be the last time your Kindle works, but you have the satisfaction of the *crack*. /

Followed by some creative uses of the "F" word, no doubt.

527 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:43:47am

re: #516 sattv4u2

Can of worms time

If it were to pass (ostensibly as a revenue generator) there would have to be an entire new beuracracy set up to;
regulate the stores selling it
ensure the quatoity of the weed
protect businesses (for instance, it's okay to go out for lunch and have a glass of wine or a martini, is it okay to go out to lunch and have a joint?)

Tommy Chong and I are going to open up a bunch of Bong-Mart locations. All of your stoner needs under one room. Bongs, pipes, papers, cool glow in the dark posters, headphones for Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd songs, Cheetos, inscense, etc...I'll be rich!!

528 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:44:34am

re: #508 Walter L. Newton

I was out walking the three dogs, just got back in. Good for you on LOST. I don't know how you are watching, but Seasons 1-4 are out in box sets, you should be able to catch up season 5 on line (try ABC and/or Hulu (sp?). Or, season 5 box set will be out around the holidays, which would still give you time to watch it before the final season starts in 2010.

If you have any questions during your "quest," ask. I write for a LOST blog and very capable of explaining things without tipping spoilers.

Neat for you :)

Thanks Walter! You rock!

A friend lent me season 1. I'll let you know how it goes, but thanks again-- it is totally addictive and a really smart show!

529 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:44:51am

re: #524 MandyManners

I was living in rural Oregon when the spotted owl controversy was going on. One restaurant had a "menu" with all kinds of spotted owl dishes. I saw a lot of vehicles with reference to wiping one's butt with a spotted owl.

I hear they taste like chicken...not that I would know personally...burp...

530 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:45:27am

re: #519 aggieann

As a librarian's daughter and former English major, I must say that my experience has been completely different. Having a book downloaded and ready to read in just a few seconds is a huge thrill, IMO.

I can be atavistic at times.

531 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:45:40am

re: #492 Mad Al-Jaffee

I would make it out of veal sausage.

I would make it out of oddly mis-shapen splotchy and discolored plastic.

532 KansasMom  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:46:07am

re: #504 MandyManners

The smell of the ink and paper and the *crack* of the spine when first opened cannot be replicated by Kindle.

My only complaint with the Kindle is that you lose the page numbers. Instead they have a bar at the bottom of the screen that displays what percentage of the book you have read through. Its not a big deal, until you try to keep up with a book club discussion and they start referencing pages.
Other than that, the Kindle is a wonderful gadget if you don't get out to a bookstore or library very often. I still like to browse the shelves at a bookstore, but with 2 young kids in tow that doesn't happen very often! Being able to quickly download a book is a great feature.

533 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:46:48am

re: #527 Desert Dog

Tommy Chong and I are going to open up a bunch of Bong-Mart locations. All of your stoner needs under one room. Bongs, pipes, papers, cool glow in the dark posters, headphones for Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd songs, Cheetos, inscense, etc...I'll be rich!!

Those stores are everywhere already. All thats missing is the pot itself.

I'm being serious though. There will have to be a way to ensure the "quality" of the grass, ensure that if your store is selling the right stuff, I didn';t cut mine with oregano to stretch the ounce and make more money

As I said ,, thats just the tip of the can of worms

534 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:47:03am

re: #527 Desert Dog

Tommy Chong and I are going to open up a bunch of Bong-Mart locations. All of your stoner needs under one room. Bongs, pipes, papers, cool glow in the dark posters, headphones for Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd songs, Cheetos, inscense, etc...I'll be rich!!

You know, it seems to me that the current government should want to make marijuana legal. They want a socialist country, and what better way to get the people in line than by getting them all stoned? If they're lethargic and sedentary, they're certainly not going to fight back against the programs the government wants to institute.

/a little

535 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:47:53am

re: #523 Kenneth

Oh dear, not all is well in Obamaland. One of his erstwhile supporters, Marty Peretz, editor of left-leaning magazine TNR is fed up:

Obama's Chutzpah. Sorry, Only Israelis Have Chutzpah. So It's Obama's Haughty Condescension.


Cracks are starting to show.

I heard Fox mention something about the WaPost turning on FCBBHO this morning.

536 jvic  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:47:55am

re: #217 iceweasel

Yet each man kills the thing he loves,
By each let this be heard,
Some do it with a bitter look,
Some with a flattering word,
The coward does it with a kiss,
The brave man with a sword!

blah blah blah

/who doesn't love Oscar Wilde?

So that's where 'Each man kills...' comes from. Thx. [Morning, Ice! Have a good day.]

I grant that Wilde is a master of the short forms of wit. One of the very best at what he does best. Here, he's run head-on into the Peter Principle.

That passage seems really profound and I nodded appreciatively while reading...until I asked myself what it means.

I was moved to look up 'The Ballad of Reading Gaol'. After skimming it, I have no interest in reading it seriously.

In fact, as I age, I am increasingly unreceptive to strained inventiveness. When I turn on the car radio and hear Beethoven's heaven-storming symphonic genius, I am liable to snarl "Shaddup, you pretentious ass" and change the channel.

Maybe I need a stronger cup of tea this morning...

537 KansasMom  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:48:00am

re: #530 MandyManners

I can be atavistic at times.

Upding because I had to look up 'atavistic'. Learned something new!

538 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:48:33am

re: #529 Desert Dog

I hear they taste like chicken...not that I would know personally...burp...

Fried or baked?

539 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:48:54am

re: #525 ggt

Morning {ggt}. I'm loving this cool dry air. Coolest July in my memory.

540 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:49:07am

re: #523 Kenneth

Oh dear, not all is well in Obamaland. One of his erstwhile supporters, Marty Peretz, editor of left-leaning magazine TNR is fed up:

Obama's Chutzpah. Sorry, Only Israelis Have Chutzpah. So It's Obama's Haughty Condescension.

Cracks are starting to show.

TNR isn't actually lefty any more, hasn't been for a while, although it's still called that. Peretz in particular is no friend to the left.

Also, don't forget that TNR published the Jeff Rosen hitpiece on Sotomayor filled with anonymous sources-- Charles had a post up condemning it, IIRC.

541 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:49:20am

re: #532 KansasMom

My only complaint with the Kindle is that you lose the page numbers. Instead they have a bar at the bottom of the screen that displays what percentage of the book you have read through. Its not a big deal, until you try to keep up with a book club discussion and they start referencing pages.
Other than that, the Kindle is a wonderful gadget if you don't get out to a bookstore or library very often. I still like to browse the shelves at a bookstore, but with 2 young kids in tow that doesn't happen very often! Being able to quickly download a book is a great feature.

No page numbers? That would drive me bat-poo crazy.

542 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:49:29am

I have to tell this story.

So last night, my boss and I heard this loud crash come from the street. We opened up and looked out the window and saw what was left of a car accident. A Bronco clipped a car and flipped over. The driver was already being attended, while the car's driver seemed alright. There were officers there already attending to all this with more on the way and the fire department too.

So we're watching this for a few minutes, with people walking up and down the street, when three cops on bikes ride up and stop two pedestrians directly below our window. Gun drawn, fowl language, people being thrown to the sidewalk.

Unreal. I'm glad my boss saw it too, no one would believe it otherwise.

(They took the Bronco driver away to the hospital, but we saw movement, so I hope he's alright and makes a full recovery)

543 3 wood  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:49:30am

Illinois passes a State Budget. Get a load of this:


Budget passes without tax hike


SPRINGFIELD -- Ending a nearly seven-week impasse, state lawmakers Wednesday overwhelmingly approved a budget devoid of an income tax increase and heavy on borrowing that will mostly fund threatened human-service programs.


For those unfamiliar with Illinois politics, the Republican party is dysfunctional here, it is a Democrat dominated State (thus, Obama). Loo at how they think a budget gets put tigether:


Under the budget plan that passed, the state would borrow $3.5 billion and delay paying $3.2 billion in bills to vendors. Even with those steps, Quinn estimated the spending plan is still somewhere between $4 billion and $5 billion in the red.

"It's time to cut up our credit card. We've tripled our state's debt," said Sen. Kirk Dillard (R-Hinsdale).

So they are going to borrow and not pay their bills on time. Also, while it is not in this story, WJBC radio reported that they are also borrowing money from the State Employees Pension fund.

We are becoming California.

544 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:49:33am

re: #534 MrSilverDragon

SOMA for every one...


/

545 saberry0530  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:50:58am

re: #491 Sharmuta

Calif. tax officials: Legal pot would bring $1.4B

The Joint Venture Party™ fully supports this legislation.

Buy Stock in Doritos NOW!

546 3 wood  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:51:12am

re: #497 rightside

That's what's so great about this country. Everyone has the same opportunity, and those who work hard, take risk, and excel, are rewarded greatly (well, not so much anymore).

President Obama, Pelosi and Reid are doing everything they can to change that at the moment

547 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:51:46am

re: #535 MandyManners

I heard Fox mention something about the WaPost turning on FCBBHO this morning.

WaPo FIRED (ok, 'let go') the best Obama critic they had from the left, Dan Froomkin. Their OpEd page is filled with neocons and people on the right who hate Obama, but they ditched one of the only people they had consistently critiquing Obama from the left.

Also, don't forget that WaPo pub'd that Palin OpEd. WaPo really isn't a lefty organisation by any means.

548 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:51:51am

re: #537 KansasMom

Upding because I had to look up 'atavistic'. Learned something new!

I can also be ante-deluvian!

549 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:51:53am

re: #544 BlueCanuck

SOMA for every one...

/

...and when in doubt, Demerol.

550 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:52:15am

re: #533 sattv4u2

Those stores are everywhere already. All thats missing is the pot itself.

I'm being serious though. There will have to be a way to ensure the "quality" of the grass, ensure that if your store is selling the right stuff, I didn';t cut mine with oregano to stretch the ounce and make more money

As I said ,, thats just the tip of the can of worms

Reminds me of that ahole who diluted chemo medicine to make a buck.

551 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:52:41am

Choice for everyone regarding health care? Well, sort of.


It didn't take long to run into an "uh-oh" moment when reading the House's "health care for all Americans" bill. Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal.

When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.

It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," the "Limitation On New Enrollment" section of the bill clearly states:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.

So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised — with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.

SNIP


Change!

552 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:53:15am

re: #542 Sharmuta

I have to tell this story.

So last night, my boss and I heard this loud crash come from the street. We opened up and looked out the window and saw what was left of a car accident. A Bronco clipped a car and flipped over. The driver was already being attended, while the car's driver seemed alright. There were officers there already attending to all this with more on the way and the fire department too.

So we're watching this for a few minutes, with people walking up and down the street, when three cops on bikes ride up and stop two pedestrians directly below our window. Gun drawn, fowl language, people being thrown to the sidewalk.

Unreal. I'm glad my boss saw it too, no one would believe it otherwise.

(They took the Bronco driver away to the hospital, but we saw movement, so I hope he's alright and makes a full recovery)

I'd look for a copy of the accident report in a few days. Maybe any incident report that the cops on bikes filed.

553 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:53:15am

re: #506 Kenneth

I agree with you 100%. Sometimes my double edged irony is not as clear as I had hoped.

Oh. Well then, as Gilda Radner said to just about everybody, "Never mind."

554 ggt  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:53:40am

I think the modern SOMA is Hollywood.

555 KansasMom  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:53:42am

re: #541 MandyManners

No page numbers? That would drive me bat-poo crazy.

I assume its because you can alter the font size on the screen. Or that the pagination changes when the book is digitized/formatted for the Kindle. Still I'd like to see a feature that shows 'equivalent' page numbers.

I still love my Kindle. The convenience more than makes up for it, but it would be a nice enhancement for future models.

556 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:53:59am

re: #528 iceweasel

Thanks Walter! You rock!

A friend lent me season 1. I'll let you know how it goes, but thanks again-- it is totally addictive and a really smart show!

And bookmark this site for general research and information.

[Link: lostpedia.wikia.com...]

557 ggt  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:54:04am

re: #545 saberry0530

Buy Stock in Doritos NOW!

& Pizza Rolls.

558 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:54:08am

Bill Kristol goes for some heavy sarcasm:

“Serious Self-Reflection”


Haaretz reports today: “Obama to U.S. Jewish leaders: Israel must engage in self-reflection”

And not just any old self-reflection. According to the article, Obama told Jewish leaders at the White House yesterday that Israel would need "to engage in serious self-reflection."

“Serious self-reflection!” It’s really good that Barack Obama is reminding the leaders and people of Israel to engage in that. I hope they’re up to it. After all, what do Israelis know about reflecting on, and living with, the life and death consequences of political decisions? What do Bibi Netanyahu and Ehud Barak and Moshe Ya’alon -- either as individuals or as leaders -- know about war and peace? These are guys -- and the Israelis are a people -- who just coast along, taking an easy path, never debating, never thinking, never questioning, never second-guessing...and never making or asking their fellow citizens to make sacrifices.

Barack Obama, Rahm Emanuel, and David Axelrod, on the other hand -- they’re seriously self-reflective individuals. Look at their wide experiences at peace and in war. Look how they’ve had to grapple with life and death decisions for decades. For them, it’s not just talk and spin and positioning. The American president and his advisors -- they’ve made personal sacrifices, they’ve come to grips with the tough choices over their decades of accomplishment in public life. They’ve got the standing to lecture the people and leaders of Israel on the need for self-reflection.

And so they did.

559 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:54:24am

Highlights from the latest unemployment numbers...

Headline: New jobless claims drop to 522,000, but mostly due to problems adjusting for auto shutdowns [glass half-full followed by the empty half]

The truth: The unadjusted figures actually showed that new claims rose by 86,389 last week, which would push the total to 667,534.

Beating up on the weak: Michigan reported the largest increase in initial claims, with 12,144, which it attributed to higher layoffs in most industries.


Maybe it's me, but I don't see the silver lining here. By the way, Michigan's unemployment has now reached 15.1%.

560 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:54:31am

re: #551 rightside

Even here in Canada we aren't that stupid. If you can afford it, you can have it. The trick is affording it.

561 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:54:40am

re: #547 iceweasel

I saw today that it costs $.75 for a daily WP. It used to be $.35 when I occasionally bought it. I can't remember the last time I bought a newspaper.

562 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:54:52am

re: #547 iceweasel

WaPo FIRED (ok, 'let go') the best Obama critic they had from the left, Dan Froomkin. Their OpEd page is filled with neocons and people on the right who hate Obama, but they ditched one of the only people they had consistently critiquing Obama from the left.

Also, don't forget that WaPo pub'd that Palin OpEd. WaPo really isn't a lefty organisation by any means.

ROFLMAO!

563 Jimmah  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:54:57am

Surprise surprise...

Religious schools 'undermine cohesion'

[Link: richarddawkins.net...]

564 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:56:09am

re: #551 rightside

Choice for everyone regarding health care? Well, sort of.


SNIP


Change!

Buncha' fucking Commie bastards.

565 3 wood  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:56:15am

re: #510 FrogMarch

There is not such thing as "free". ever.

They define that as "free to them". They don't care if you get bankrupted in the effort to pay for their hand outs. That's why they want to define everything as a "right" and and entitlement

Serves you right for being so greedy and nasty and successful as to actually make some money at some point in your life. How dare you?

566 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:56:33am

re: #547 iceweasel

Also, don't forget that WaPo pub'd that Palin OpEd. WaPo really isn't a lefty organisation by any means.

You keep smokin' that dope.

567 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:56:33am

re: #540 iceweasel

TNR endorsed Obama in the election and still self-identifies as a liberal journal. But I guess, if they offer any criticism at all of the Anointed One, they can't be considered part of the loyal media fraternity any more.

568 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:56:46am

re: #552 MandyManners

I'd look for a copy of the accident report in a few days. Maybe any incident report that the cops on bikes filed.

There's more!

We check back a few minutes later and the three cops are still checking these two guys out, when another group of people across the street pass by. Then one of the cops goes walking up to them, and grabs one of them and pushes him into the wall!

That guy got cuffed and checked, but they ended up letting him go. The other two got taken in the wagon to Booking.

Unreal.

569 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:56:53am

Dryer buzzer wailing. bbiab

570 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:56:54am

re: #519 aggieann

As a librarian's daughter and former English major, I must say that my experience has been completely different. Having a book downloaded and ready to read in just a few seconds is a huge thrill, IMO.

And if an English major can use it, it must be simple indeed.

571 ggt  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:57:05am

re: #558 Kenneth

Bill Kristol goes for some heavy sarcasm:

“Serious Self-Reflection”

IIRC, one of the Jewish Holidays is a day devoted to serious self-reflection. I think they know more about it than most. Certain Obambi.

572 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:57:50am

re: #550 midwestgak

Reminds me of that ahole who diluted chemo medicine to make a buck.

Thats my point! It's hard to dilute a six pack of budweiser, or a bottle of merlot

A bag of pot ,,, not so much!

And as I said upthread, what about the "lunch break" joint. If it's okay to go have a glass of wine with lunch, why not a joint? What protections does a business owener have?

573 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:57:57am

re: #551 rightside

Choice for everyone regarding health care? Well, sort of.


SNIP


Change!

So it looks like all the bills will be at least 1000 pages, which means they won't be read. Is this saying that you had better keep your current coverage because if you change, you can't choose another private option?

574 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:57:57am

re: #562 MandyManners

ROFLMAO!

Mandy, you can laugh, but they aren't left. Look at who writes for their OpEd page. Look at who they just fired. Read virtually anything by Fred Hiatt or Howie Kurtz. They just hired Bill Kristol.

575 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:59:23am

re: #567 Kenneth

TNR endorsed Obama in the election and still self-identifies as a liberal journal. But I guess, if they offer any criticism at all of the Anointed One, they can't be considered part of the loyal media fraternity any more.

Not at all. Pat Buchanan self-identifies as a conservative, but I'd never think that makes him one.

TNR has been out of the 'fraternity' since before Obama even won the nomination. They aren't 'liberal' any more.

576 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 6:59:46am

re: #559 CommonCents

Highlights from the latest unemployment numbers...


Maybe it's me, but I don't see the silver lining here. By the way, Michigan's unemployment has now reached 15.1%.

I learned a little about unemployment numbers. The 15.1% doesn't reflect parttime or under-employed people which increases the actual percentage.

577 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:00:07am

re: #542 Sharmuta

Gun drawn, fowl language, people being thrown to the sidewalk.

"Chicken!"
"Cock-ducker!"
"Motherclucker!"
"Ptarmigan!"

578 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:00:20am

re: #566 CommonCents

You keep smokin' that dope.

If the Joint Venture Party gets its way, I will! :)

579 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:00:24am

re: #573 VioletTiger

So it looks like all the bills will be at least 1000 pages, which means they won't be read. Is this saying that you had better keep your current coverage because if you change, you can't choose another private option?

There should be a law/bill that limits legalese and length. Call it the Plain English bill or Common sense bill. If it can't be understood by a person straight off the street it fails. Should be simple enough to read and process. Just one page in length, three max.

580 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:00:38am

Gah. At home today, at least until about lunchtime. i woke up with a monster migraine and had to medicate and put on the ice face mask. I'm kind of buzzed now, so I'm just hanging out here.

What are we hyperventilating about today?

581 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:00:55am

Okay, it's 7am. Enough "reading" of my notes.

Good night.

582 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:00:56am

re: #573 VioletTiger

Correct. Say one thing publicly, mean another privately.

583 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:01:09am

re: #577 haakondahl

You caught me.

584 sjm_888  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:01:14am

re: #79 Karridine

There was a big fire in Lewiston, Maine yesterday. wmtw.com

585 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:01:31am

re: #581 TheMatrix31

Best of luck with your exam. Hit it out of the park.

586 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:01:35am

re: #571 ggt

That would be Yom Kippur. Yes, it was an astonishing bit of condescension on Obama's part to lecture Israelis to engage in serious self-reflection.

The only self-reflection Obama engages in is to admire his own reflection in a mirror.

587 aggieann  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:01:57am

re: #541 MandyManners

No page numbers? That would drive me bat-poo crazy.

It IS irritating. It has to do with the ability to change the font size.

588 Jimmah  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:01:59am

BBL

589 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:02:06am

re: #565 3 wood

They define that as "free to them". They don't care if you get bankrupted in the effort to pay for their hand outs. That's why they want to define everything as a "right" and and entitlement

Serves you right for being so greedy and nasty and successful as to actually make some money at some point in your life. How dare you?

I look at it like this, if something is a "right" then it must be something you are born with. If you are born with it, then it must not be something that has a real $ price tag. I have the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. I can't go down the street and buy a six-pack of liberty. I don't have a right to health care. I'm priviledged to live in a country that offers the service and if I use the proper channels I can take advantage of it.

590 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:02:18am

re: #580 vxbush

Morning {vx}. Hope you feet better soon.

591 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:02:42am

re: #572 sattv4u2

Thats my point! It's hard to dilute a six pack of budweiser, or a bottle of merlot

Why go to the trouble when Anheiser-Busch sells the stuff pre-diluted anyway?

592 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:02:45am

re: #586 Kenneth

That would be Yom Kippur. Yes, it was an astonishing bit of condescension on Obama's part to lecture Israelis to engage in serious self-reflection.

The only self-reflection Obama engages in is to admire his own reflection in a mirror teleprompter.

FTFY

593 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:03:18am

re: #576 midwestgak

I learned a little about unemployment numbers. The 15.1% doesn't reflect parttime or under-employed people which increases the actual percentage.

I don't think it should include parttime or under-employed because they are not UN-employed. If someone has 2 parttime jobs and is working the equivalent of fulltime where do they fall into the massaged numbers?

594 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:03:28am

I turned on the tv news this morning to check the weather and see if there were ay important stories. You know what were the spokesmodels yammering about when I tuned in? Obama's jeans.

This is why I rarely watch the morning news on tv.

595 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:03:33am

re: #590 midwestgak

Morning {vx}. Hope you feet better soon.

I hate whining about it, but migraines suck.

596 Flyers1974  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:04:32am

re: #468 iceweasel

Very interesting immigration news. I file asylum cases for people every once in a while, but wasn't involved in this before before the Bush administration changes, so I never did so for battered women.

597 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:04:50am

re: #538 MandyManners

Fried or baked?

yes

598 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:04:52am

re: #580 vxbush

Gah. At home today, at least until about lunchtime. i woke up with a monster migraine and had to medicate and put on the ice face mask. I'm kind of buzzed now, so I'm just hanging out here.

What are we hyperventilating about today?


Sorry you're feeling poorly. { { {vx} } }

Good morning, {all y'all}

599 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:05:12am

re: #559 CommonCents

Highlights from the latest unemployment numbers...


Maybe it's me, but I don't see the silver lining here. By the way, Michigan's unemployment has now reached 15.1%.

Lucky us.

Meanwhile, job losses continue to run right around a half-million per month, without any sign of letup. A few tens of thousands variation in these numbers aren't anything worth cheering about; they're in the noise band. Right now, the losses seem to be stable and steady at this rate; the economy continues to destroy jobs at an unprecedented rate.

600 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:05:17am

How about just saying "oops?"

The Social Security Administration today defended its decision to hold a "training conference" at the lavish Arizona Biltmore last week that cost taxpayers roughly $750,000.

Mark Lassiter, spokesman for the SSA, tells Federal Times.com that the three-day retreat was just your average training session to teach management skills to about 700 employees of the federal program that is on the verge of economic collapse.

"This was a legitimate training conference," Lassiter says. "It's what you might expect at any other conference, government or otherwise."

Here's a free lesson in management Mr. Lassiter: When you are crumbling financially, hold training sessions at the Holiday Inn, or let Super 8 leave the light on for you; don't book one of the most ornate resorts in Arizona to discuss managing what's left of taxpayer dollars.

SNIP

601 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:05:42am

re: #547 iceweasel

Their OpEd page is filled with neocons

I'm not sure that Charles Krauthammer, great as he is, counts as "filling" an entire OpEd page.

602 freedombilly  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:05:52am

re: #574 iceweasel

Mandy, you can laugh, but they aren't left. Look at who writes for their OpEd page. Look at who they just fired. Read virtually anything by Fred Hiatt or Howie Kurtz. They just hired Bill Kristol.

But a paper's OpEd pages are not the only barometer for whether they are left or right leaning. The Washington Post shows a severe liberal slant daily through story placement, the wording of headlines, etc. And not just through what is reported but what is not reported.

OpEd pages are labeled as opinion. The dangerous stuff comes from the "news" sections of paper's like the Washington Post.

Am I really debating that the Washington Post is a liberal paper? Am I on candid camera?

603 Summersong  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:05:54am

Would someone please post a link to Defenseman? I'm sure I have it bookmarked, but I can't find it. Thank you in advance.

604 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:06:44am

re: #603 Summersong

Would someone please post a link to Defenseman? I'm sure I have it bookmarked, but I can't find it. Thank you in advance.

[Link: defenseman.wordpress.com...]

605 saberry0530  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:06:58am

re: #602 freedombilly

But a paper's OpEd pages are not the only barometer for whether they are left or right leaning. The Washington Post shows a severe liberal slant daily through story placement, the wording of headlines, etc. And not just through what is reported but what is not reported.

OpEd pages are labeled as opinion. The dangerous stuff comes from the "news" sections of paper's like the Washington Post.

Am I really debating that the Washington Post is a liberal paper? Am I on candid camera?

yes...

606 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:07:51am

re: #600 MandyManners

How about just saying "oops?"

The Social Security Administration today defended its decision to hold a "training conference" at the lavish Arizona Biltmore last week that cost taxpayers roughly $750,000.

SNIP

Well, they did book in Arizona in the summer...the highs last week were in the 110's and the lows were hoving around 85-90. So, they go a cheap rate. Booking that in the winter at the same place would have cost triple or more. But, you are right. Training is necessary, but training at a high priced resort at a lavish cost to taxpayers? dum, da, dum, dumb

607 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:07:55am

re: #575 iceweasel

Sorry friend, but you are getting no where with that line of argument, other than to emphasize my very point:

For Obamanites, to make any criticism at all of Obama is to banish yourself from the True Path. TNR has kept true to the same liberal philosophy they have followed for decades. The thing is, it's the Democrats under Obama who have moved sharply to the left. They have also adopted Obama's narcissistic attitude of taking personal offense at anything less than complete submission to the party line.

608 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:07:55am

re: #602 freedombilly

Someone who gets it! I regret I have only one upding to give for you.

609 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:07:56am

re: #600 MandyManners

How about just saying "oops?"

The Social Security Administration today defended its decision to hold a "training conference" at the lavish Arizona Biltmore last week that cost taxpayers roughly $750,000.


SNIP

hmmm, didn't they go after AIG for doing something similar? Must be do as I say, not as I do, type of leadership.

610 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:08:50am

re: #601 Occasional Reader

I'm not sure that Charles Krauthammer, great as he is, counts as "filling" an entire OpEd page.

That damned right wing rag, the Washington Post! A virtual mouthpiece for the Republicans!!!

/

611 Summersong  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:09:05am

re: #604 Sharmuta

[Link: defenseman.wordpress.com...]

Thank you, Sharmuta.

612 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:09:07am

re: #602 freedombilly

But a paper's OpEd pages are not the only barometer for whether they are left or right leaning.

of course not. And a couple of years ago I also would have thought the WaPo just had to be liberal.

They aren't, though.

BTW, I should state again that I hate virtually all MSM, and not because of a perceived slant in one direction or another.

613 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:09:28am

re: #594 Mad Al-Jaffee

You know what were the spokesmodels yammering about when I tuned in? Obama's jeans.

With smirking references to his "stimulus package"?

614 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:09:39am

re: #611 Summersong

You're welcome.

615 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:09:40am

I see DU people.

/Cole Sear

616 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:09:56am

re: #609 BlueCanuck

hmmm, didn't they go after AIG for doing something similar? Must be do as I say, not as I do, type of leadership.

Yes, the idea of leading by example is completely lost in Washington.

617 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:10:00am

re: #595 vxbush

Yes they do. My youth was plagued with them.
Stating that you feel like crap is not whining. Glad to see you btw.

618 haakondahl  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:10:21am

re: #551 rightside

Choice for everyone regarding health care? Well, sort of.

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.


SNIP
Change!

It's worse than that! It retroactively uncovers the issuer from whatever protection this clause purports to extend, effective 01JAN the year the bill becomes law!
Just having this language floating around the industry puts a chilling effect on issuing new policies, which raises prices. It alternately forces the companies to lawyer up even more, which raises prices. Forcing prices up is how to force the public into the arms of the state.

This is actually a brilliantly crafted piece of legislation. In more than one way, it takes effect not only before it is approved, but even if it is not approved.

This is scary shit.

619 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:11:10am

re: #604 Sharmuta

Sharm, I haven't been following the legalize pot issue in Cali, except for your postings here, but does the Joint Venture Party address any of the problems that will arise (just a few of them laid out in my #516)?

Just curious

620 freetoken  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:11:14am

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

Time for the obscure historical fact of the day...

Controversy over margarine, butter, and Iowa goes way back. Indeed, it was a national problem, because of the dairy lobby. One famous incident is from WWII:

Gale Johnson’s transfer from Iowa State University to the University of Chicago was the result of an incident involving academic freedom at Iowa State that became known as the “Iowa Margarine Incident.”1 At the beginning of World War II Iowa State University received a grant from the Rockefeller Foundation to prepare a series of monographs on how to enhance the contribution of agriculture to the war effort. One of these monographs, prepared by O. H. Brownlee, a fellow graduate student, demonstrated that a shift from butter to margarine consumption (made from soybean oil) would result in significant resource savings. The monograph recommended that the taxes and other restraints on the sale of margarine be removed. Iowa dairy interests demanded that the monograph be revised or withdrawn. Gale had prepared several important, though less controversial, monographs in the same series. When the president of Iowa State acceded to the dairy industry demands, Johnson’s mentor Theodore W. Schultz, then chairman of the Iowa State Economics Department, resigned and accepted an appointment as professor in the Economics Department at the University of Chicago. Schultz arranged a research associate appointment for Gale Johnson at the University of Chicago.

Many years ago I was touring an Iowa State U. lab... and the history of margarine at ISU came up in discussion. I never remembered that before until you posted that MJ/butter controversy!

621 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:11:57am

re: #607 Kenneth

Sorry friend, but you are getting no where with that line of argument, other than to emphasize my very point:

For Obamanites, to make any criticism at all of Obama is to banish yourself from the True Path. TNR has kept true to the same liberal philosophy they have followed for decades. The thing is, it's the Democrats under Obama who have moved sharply to the left. They have also adopted Obama's narcissistic attitude of taking personal offense at anything less than complete submission to the party line.

I'd disgree with this (obviously).

For one thing, progressives and the left already were saying TNR wasn't left long before Obama was on the scene--I'll give you links and dates.

For another, Democrats are hated about as much as Republicans are, by progressives and the left.

I look forward to discussing this more with you, and promise too, but I have to go right now. :( We'll take it up again though for sure.

Have a good day, all.

622 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:12:01am

re: #606 Desert Dog

Well, they did book in Arizona in the summer...the highs last week were in the 110's and the lows were hoving around 85-90. So, they go a cheap rate. Booking that in the winter at the same place would have cost triple or more. But, you are right. Training is necessary, but training at a high priced resort at a lavish cost to taxpayers? dum, da, dum, dumb

Haven't they ever heard of the Internet for training?

623 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:12:02am

The Sear's Tower to be renamed

The Willis Tower? Yuck! That does not sound right.

624 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:12:19am

re: #602 freedombilly

Am I really debating that the Washington Post is a liberal paper? Am I on candid camera?

Heh.

I had a liberal colleague make a similar complaint not long before the 2004 election; he was maintaining that "all the big newspapers" are really all conservative, because, you know, they're owned by big corporations (ooh, scary!).

I offered him to pay him $100 apiece for every editorial from the following papers that endorsed Bush in 2004, as long as he paid me for every one that endorsed Kerry: WaPo, NYT, LA Times, Boston Globe, Chicago Tribune.

He declined.

625 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:12:38am

re: #615 Killian Bundy

I see DU people.

/Cole Sear

Not here you don't. DU is to the left what Free Republic is to the right: the place where the lunatics gather.

626 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:12:46am

re: #620 freetoken

Time for the obscure historical fact of the day...

Controversy over margarine, butter, and Iowa goes way back. Indeed, it was a national problem, because of the dairy lobby. One famous incident is from WWII:

Many years ago I was touring an Iowa State U. lab... and the history of margarine at ISU came up in discussion. I never remembered that before until you posted that MJ/butter controversy!

And yet, Parkay was not available for comment...

627 ggt  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:13:02am

re: #589 CommonCents

I look at it like this, if something is a "right" then it must be something you are born with. If you are born with it, then it must not be something that has a real $ price tag. I have the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. I can't go down the street and buy a six-pack of liberty. I don't have a right to health care. I'm priviledged to live in a country that offers the service and if I use the proper channels I can take advantage of it.

I think we had a similar discussion yesterday. Food, clothing, shelter, healthcare etc, are resources, not rights, and cannot be guaranteed. They are subject to the laws of economics.

628 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:13:11am

re: #626 vxbush

And yet, Parkay was not available for comment...

"butter"

629 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:13:32am

re: #623 Desert Dog

The Sear's Tower to be renamed

The Willis Tower? Yuck! That does not sound right.

Whatch U Talkin Bout, Willis?

630 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:14:00am

re: #600 MandyManners

How about just saying "oops?"

The Social Security Administration today defended its decision to hold a "training conference" at the lavish Arizona Biltmore last week that cost taxpayers roughly $750,000.


SNIP


Even 'sorry' does not cut it here. Can you imagine if this were one of the bailed-out banks? The outrage would be overwhelming. Let's see if this gets more than a wimper.

631 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:14:27am

re: #609 BlueCanuck

hmmm, didn't they go after AIG for doing something similar? Must be do as I say, not as I do, type of leadership.

Some animals are more equal than others.

632 realwest  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:14:31am

Good morning y'all - from a warm (77 degrees, going up to 90 degrees with the usual T-Storms predicted for late tonight). How is everyone doing today?

I've been doing better myself -as I posted on the prior thread last night: "My latest cancer tests came in late this afternoon and are the worst since my cancer was put into remission three years ago.
The prognosis isn't really very good. It is possible I'll be able to vote in the 2010 elections, but probably not in the 2012 elections. By this time next year (and maybe sooner) I'll be either undergoing radiation therapy - for reasons too long to go into here, my oncologist and a radiation oncologist have said that my cancer is systemic and asked me "what good would radiation therapy do for you?" and they didn't seem pleased when I - admittedly angrily said "Maybe they'll keep me from DYING!"
Crap.

633 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:14:49am

re: #620 freetoken

I remember my mother telling me that when margarine was first introduced to the public during WWII, it came with a little yellow dye packet that you had to mix in yourself to make it a more appetizing butter-like color.

634 ggt  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:14:57am

re: #593 CommonCents

I don't think it should include parttime or under-employed because they are not UN-employed. If someone has 2 parttime jobs and is working the equivalent of fulltime where do they fall into the massaged numbers?

because in a perfect world (which we all aspire to-gah) everyone would have a full-time job with fantastic benefits that would provide enough to own a jumbo mortgage, two luxury car loans and at least a yearly vacation to Hawaii. Anything other than is considered sub-standard and therefore qualifies to be classified as UN-employed.

/

635 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:15:00am

re: #626 vxbush

And yet, Parkay was not available for comment...

Parkay isn't made in Iowa, it's made in New Jersey. Surely you've heard of the Garden State Parkay?

636 KenJen  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:15:16am

re: #594 Mad Al-Jaffee

I turned on the tv news this morning to check the weather and see if there were ay important stories. You know what were the spokesmodels yammering about when I tuned in? Obama's jeans.

This is why I rarely watch the morning news on tv.

He was wearing mom jeans. You don't find it important?/

637 freetoken  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:15:23am

re: #632 realwest

rw: sorry to hear that your struggle is now more complicated than ever. Best wishes in your battle.

638 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:15:37am

re: #630 VioletTiger

Even 'sorry' does not cut it here. Can you imagine if this were one of the bailed-out banks? The outrage would be overwhelming. Let's see if this gets more than a wimper.

No, it won't, because it's standard operating procedure for these government entities. The idea that going without because we don't have the money is not understood by these folks. It's not their money, so they spend as they please.

639 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:15:53am

re: #576 midwestgak

I learned a little about unemployment numbers. The 15.1% doesn't reflect parttime or under-employed people which increases the actual percentage.

That's correct; unemployment numbers are a very specific metric.

However, the Left has always made a habit of trotting out all manner of cobbled-together metrics to "prove" that the economy - when controlled by Conservatives - isn't working, including all sorts of nebulous psuedo-employment figures. It's unpleasant when the Left does it. It's also unpleasant when the Right does it. Government unemployment figures may only measure things in one particular, somewhat flawed way; but the have the advantage of reporting that measurement in the same way over a long period of time, making relative comparisons from one time frame to another possible. This is an extremely useful feature that ad hoc metrics lack, because more often than not the additional information needed to compute them isn't tracked consistently or over long periods of time.

9.5% unemployment nationally, or 15%+ unemployment in Michigan, totally, completely sucks, no matter how you look at it, whether it's relative to the same period last year or the same period 35 years ago. And the fact it's continuing to climb, with hardly anyone predicting rates below 10% by year's end, is even more disturbing. We may very well see Depression-era rates of 25%+ in some states by early next year unless there's a dramatic turnaround.

640 freedombilly  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:16:12am

re: #608 rightside

What is ironic is that I was introduced to the entire concept of bias in the media by a high school history teacher who is as liberal as you can possibly get. Yet he was the most reasonable man I have ever met. He was completely open to all viewpoints in his classroom and was the first to cry foul when the left leaning members of the class (all but about two kids) would reduce their arguments to name calling. A truly incredible man who forever changed the way I look at the world and how it is reported.

641 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:16:13am

re: #632 realwest

{{manly hug}}

I know this sounds empty, but let me know if there is ANYTHING I can do for you!

(how bout for starters, a donation in your name to your fav charity?)

642 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:16:16am

re: #626 vxbush

And yet, Parkay was not available for comment...

Glad to see your migraine can't keep your sense of humor down!

643 ggt  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:16:35am

re: #580 vxbush

Gah. At home today, at least until about lunchtime. i woke up with a monster migraine and had to medicate and put on the ice face mask. I'm kind of buzzed now, so I'm just hanging out here.

What are we hyperventilating about today?

VX, I had a migraine for the past two days. Finally has receded. Still feeling the after shocks tho.

I feel for you.

644 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:16:50am

re: #636 KenJen

He was wearing mom jeans. You don't find it important?/

Okay, I freely admit I'm clueless. But what the heck are "mom jeans"?

645 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:17:07am

re: #619 sattv4u2

Actually, the party is just a bit of humor I invented, but the more I think on it, I kind of like the idea. A party that stood for individual liberty and fiscal responsibility? I'd join it, if it wasn't fictitious.

As for your question by my opinion- I favor decriminalization. As for an agency to regulate it- the FDA or ATF could be expanded, but I'd really rather not. I suppose more bureaucracy is inevitable.

646 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:17:09am

Hi all.
So I see the DNC media are collectively spinning the latest jobless rate.
The projected jobless totals were around 575,000.
The actual jobless claims are around 550,000.

Wonderful news! "jobless claims have dropped!"

647 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:17:20am

re: #637 freetoken

rw: sorry to hear that your struggle is now more complicated than ever. Best wishes in your battle.

Ditto, ditto, ditto. You keep us apprised, realwest. Don't keep us in the dark!

648 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:17:26am

re: #630 VioletTiger

Even 'sorry' does not cut it here. Can you imagine if this were one of the bailed-out banks? The outrage would be overwhelming. Let's see if this gets more than a wimper.

I think Drudge has picked it up.

649 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:17:28am

re: #632 realwest

{ { {realwest} } }
Doctors are ass holes.

650 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:17:41am

re: #623 Desert Dog

The Sear's Tower to be renamed

The Willis Tower? Yuck! That does not sound right.

I can't wait for the next "Die Hard" movie, set in the Willis Tower.

651 ggt  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:18:07am

re: #600 MandyManners

How about just saying "oops?"

The Social Security Administration today defended its decision to hold a "training conference" at the lavish Arizona Biltmore last week that cost taxpayers roughly $750,000.

SNIP

then complain that the bank CEO's (who contribute to the economy -in theory) are getting bonuses. . . .

652 freetoken  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:18:29am

re: #633 redstateredneck

There used to be extra taxes on colored margarine. We think of the corn lobby as being so strong today, because of ethanol subsidies, but long ago the dairy farmers held more sway.

I remember my mother and grandmother calling margarine "oleo", which I believe is from the original invention name of the product. I don't know anyone today who still uses that name.

Personally I prefer butter over the vegetable oil stuff.

653 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:18:29am

re: #635 Occasional Reader

Parkay isn't made in Iowa, it's made in New Jersey. Surely you've heard of the Garden State Parkay?

These puns are taking a toll on me.

654 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:18:30am

re: #632 realwest

We're all thinking, praying and sending the positive vibes to you, Real. You are not alone and you're too tough to let that crap get you. You'll be able to vote Obama out of office in 2012, no problem.

655 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:18:31am

re: #639 SixDegrees

Government unemployment figures may only measure things in one particular, somewhat flawed way

Yet I seem to recall reading that the Obama Administration has fudged even that metric somewhat. I'll have to look for the source. Mortimer Zucker, I think, writing a few days back in a guest column in... NRO? I think.

656 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:18:42am

re: #623 Desert Dog

The Sear's Tower to be renamed

The Willis Tower? Yuck! That does not sound right.

Prediction: this name change will not stand. Way, way too much opposition to it.

Maybe they should reformulate Coca-Cola while they're at it.

657 realwest  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:18:48am

re: #637 freetoken
Thanks freetoken - folks out here last night were really very supportive and gave me some excellent news links and the like and some nice e-mails too.

It just seems strange to me (and a little unnerving, frankly) that I may have to change my oncology "team" since one of the reasons I moved to Charlotte area was that Charlotte Presbyterian Hospital has one of the best Prostate Cancer "groups" around.

658 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:18:53am

re: #632 realwest

{realwest}. A fighting spirit will go a long way. Assisted of course with treatment. Chin up, and we will get you to November 4, 2012 to help fix your nation.

659 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:19:08am

re: #642 redstateredneck

Glad to see your migraine can't keep your sense of humor down!

Heh. Drugs are my friends on days like these.

660 freedombilly  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:19:14am

re: #632 realwest

rw, you are in all of our thoughts. We can all hope for a miracle, right? You are a fighter that I wouldn't want to mess with and your cancer is going to figure that out hopefully sooner than later!

All the best!

661 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:19:53am

re: #645 Sharmuta

Actually, the party is just a bit of humor I invented, but the more I think on it, I kind of like the idea. A party that stood for individual liberty and fiscal responsibility? I'd join it, if it wasn't fictitious.

As for your question by my opinion- I favor decriminalization. As for an agency to regulate it- the FDA or ATF could be expanded, but I'd really rather not. I suppose more bureaucracy is inevitable.

This may fall under the category of Be Careful What You Wish For. As I stated, I only started thinking about the can of worms it would open. the things I listed are merely the tip of the iceburg. The more I think, the more problems I come up wit

But ,,, I agree re: decriminilization

662 KansasMom  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:19:54am

re: #632 realwest

Sorry to hear about the bad news. Also sorry to hear your oncologists were so...condescending. You didn't deserve that, after all its your care and you do have a say in how it proceeds.
I'm gonna cross my fingers and hope that the radiation therapy kicks the crap outta the cancer.
(((realwest)))

663 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:19:59am

re: #643 ggt

VX, I had a migraine for the past two days. Finally has receded. Still feeling the after shocks tho.

I feel for you.

No chocolate for either of us, I'm guessing.

664 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:20:01am

re: #632 realwest

{real}
Glad you feel a little better.
Make sure you eat a good breakfast this morning!

665 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:20:04am

re: #651 ggt

then complain that the bank CEO's (who contribute to the economy -in theory) are getting bonuses. . . .

I wonder if they thought anyone was gonna' catch them.

666 KenJen  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:20:09am

re: #644 vxbush

Okay, I freely admit I'm clueless. But what the heck are "mom jeans"?

Mom jeans

667 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:20:11am

re: #652 freetoken

There used to be extra taxes on colored margarine. We think of the corn lobby as being so strong today, because of ethanol subsidies, but long ago the dairy farmers held more sway.

I remember my mother and grandmother calling margarine "oleo", which I believe is from the original invention name of the product. I don't know anyone today who still uses that name.

Personally I prefer butter over the vegetable oil stuff.

Yep, oleo. Had to keep it in the Frigidaire.
;-)

668 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:20:19am

re: #653 MandyManners

These puns are taking a toll on me.

It's EZ to Pass them off as just another pun thread.

669 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:20:21am

re: #656 SixDegrees

Prediction: this name change will not stand. Way, way too much opposition to it.

Maybe they should reformulate Coca-Cola while they're at it.

They did that. You know that "Classic Coke" is not the Real thing.

670 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:20:25am

re: #656 SixDegrees

Prediction: this name change will not stand. Way, way too much opposition to it.

Maybe they should reformulate Coca-Cola while they're at it.

I hope so...might cheeky of Willis to rename that building.

671 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:20:44am

re: #631 MandyManners

Some animals are more equal than others.

Ever since 1984.

672 realwest  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:20:58am

re: #641 sattv4u2
Hey, thanks for putting that "manly" in front of the hugs! Whew!
Well I'm my favorite charity (!) but don't accept charity, period.
If OTOH y'all have a GREAT effin' oncologist and especialy a great radiation oncologist down here, I'd surely appreciate a reference!

673 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:21:09am

re: #657 realwest

Thanks freetoken - folks out here last night were really very supportive and gave me some excellent news links and the like and some nice e-mails too.

It just seems strange to me (and a little unnerving, frankly) that I may have to change my oncology "team" since one of the reasons I moved to Charlotte area was that Charlotte Presbyterian Hospital has one of the best Prostate Cancer "groups" around.


Well hang in there. Let us know if there is anything we can do.

674 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:21:21am

re: #632 realwest

realwest: I saw your e-mail on this. I replied. You know we're with you, man.

675 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:21:35am

Op-eds in today's WaPo:

David S. Broder (conservative, but not a neo-con per se)

E.J. Dionne Jr. (liberal pundit)

David Ignatius (liberal editor & writer)

George F. Will (conservative, of the old school, certainly not a neo-con)

Yup, that's "full of neo-cons" alright!

676 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:21:44am

Centrist Dem Leader: Has Committee Votes To Block Health Bill

U.S. Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., a leader of fiscally conservative House Democrats, said Wednesday a House plan to overhaul the U.S. health-care system is losing support and will be stuck in committee without changes.

"Last time I checked, it takes seven Democrats to stop a bill in the Energy and Commerce Committee," Ross told reporters after a House vote. "We had seven against it last Friday; we have 10 today."

Three House committees are slated to begin considering the $1 trillion-plus bill this week, but the Energy and Commerce looms as the biggest challenge. That's because it counts among its 36 Democratic members seven members of the Blue Dog Coalition, a fiscally conservative bloc that is opposing the House Democrats' effort.

Ross said the bill, introduced Wednesday by House Democratic leaders, doesn't include provisions adequate to curb rising health care costs, including what the government spends on healthcare.

"The current bill would have to be substantially amended before we could consider supporting it," Ross said.

Go Blue Dogs!

/take it to the woodshed and leave it there

677 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:21:59am

re: #632 realwest

re: #641 sattv4u2

{{manly hug}}

I know this sounds empty, but let me know if there is ANYTHING I can do for you!

(how bout for starters, a donation in your name to your fav charity?)

REAL ,,,

I have heard nothing but praise for this institution. Have you looked into it?

[Link: www.cancercenter.com...]

678 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:22:28am

re: #656 SixDegrees

Prediction: this name change will not stand. Way, way too much opposition to it.

Maybe they should reformulate Coca-Cola while they're at it.

Let's meet at the PanAm MetLife Building in Manhattan to talk about it...

679 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:22:29am

re: #633 redstateredneck

I don't know if it's still the law, but until recently in Quebec margraine couldn't be the same colour as butter. Something to do with the Dairy lobby.

680 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:22:50am

re: #668 Occasional Reader

It's EZ to Pass them off as just another pun thread.

Don't tread on me.

681 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:23:12am

re: #655 Occasional Reader

Yet I seem to recall reading that the Obama Administration has fudged even that metric somewhat. I'll have to look for the source. Mortimer Zucker, I think, writing a few days back in a guest column in... NRO? I think.

One problem is that a lot of the data they use to formulate the rate is based on estimates, and the models used are not at all accurate; they're strictly linear, for the math types out there, and don't reflect the much more dynamic rate of change that occurs in reality. Hence the constant stream of corrections to past rates once actual data comes in, that often changes the rate by a significant margin.

It isn't a problem unique to this Administration, though; it's always been problematic. And it gets worse during times of rapid economic change, either up or down, because it's during those times that linear models fail most noticeably.

It's usually best to work from last month's data, after real-world corrections have been applied, even though circumstances may have changed since then; at least you're working with something more closely approaching reality.

682 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:23:23am

re: #675 Kenneth

Op-eds in today's WaPo:


Yup, that's "full of neo-cons" alright!

However, I do give WaPo credit for being a little more fair-minded than the NYT.

Of course, they also invite Hamas shills to pen opinion pieces...

683 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:23:34am

re: #675 Kenneth

Op-eds in today's WaPo:

Yup, that's "full of neo-cons" alright!

It isn't full of flaming libs though, is it? :)

684 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:23:42am

re: #668 Occasional Reader

It's EZ to Pass them off as just another pun thread.

We really should change the topic.

685 J.S.  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:23:42am

re: #644 vxbush

They're frumpy, baggy, ultra-high waistline, etc.

Jeanne Moos of CNN had a clip...very funny...

686 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:23:47am

re: #627 ggt

I think we had a similar discussion yesterday. Food, clothing, shelter, healthcare etc, are resources, not rights, and cannot be guaranteed. They are subject to the laws of economics.

Sorry, I missed that discussion and sorry I missed that discussion.

687 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:23:58am

re: #677 sattv4u2

re: #641 sattv4u2


REAL ,,,

I have heard nothing but praise for this institution. Have you looked into it?

[Link: www.cancercenter.com...]

I've seen them advertised and wondered about them. You have first hand knowledge of people who have gone there? Around here in the south, most folks go to M D Anderson in Houston if they can afford the trip.

688 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:24:15am

re: #682 Occasional Reader

However, I do give WaPo credit for being a little more fair-minded than the NYT.

Of course, they also invite Hamas shills to pen opinion pieces...

NYT OpEd page is also a disgrace, IMO.

(sorry this is short, popping in and out)

689 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:24:27am

re: #671 midwestgak

Ever since 1984.

This crap has been going on for a long, long time.

690 The Hoopster  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:24:39am

Good Morning Lizards! especially you RealWest!
Well Cato came back after a month away and scored 6 of the bottom 10 comments in one day..
That's what I call making a splash..or belly flop.

691 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:24:43am

re: #668 Occasional Reader

It's EZ to Pass them off as just another pun thread.


(By the way, to any lizards who do any amount of highway driving at all: If you haven't already done so, SIGN UP FOR EZPASS. It can make a truly huge difference in your driving time.)

692 ggt  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:24:45am

re: #652 freetoken

There used to be extra taxes on colored margarine. We think of the corn lobby as being so strong today, because of ethanol subsidies, but long ago the dairy farmers held more sway.

I remember my mother and grandmother calling margarine "oleo", which I believe is from the original invention name of the product. I don't know anyone today who still uses that name.

Personally I prefer butter over the vegetable oil stuff.

My Mom still calls it Oleo.

Which is a chemistry term, IIRC. Oleo-Margarine is the full name.

693 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:24:55am

re: #672 realwest

y'all have a GREAT effin' oncologist and especialy a great radiation oncologist down here, I'd surely appreciate a reference!

Emory Hospital, Atlanta

[Link: www.emoryhealthcare.org...]

694 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:25:00am

re: #632 realwest

{real} You can put your head on my shoulder.

695 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:25:00am

re: #668 Occasional Reader

It's EZ to Pass them off as just another pun thread.

I Pass on these pun threads since they're everywhere I Turnpike.

696 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:25:03am

re: #621 iceweasel

I'd disgree with this (obviously).

For one thing, progressives and the left already were saying TNR wasn't left long before Obama was on the scene--I'll give you links and dates.

For another, Democrats are hated about as much as Republicans are, by progressives and the left.

Again, thank you for illustrating my point. Because TNR has kept to a consistent liberal POV (note: "liberal", not left or progressive), the left & progressives have attacked it as a sell-out. Now that the progressive left has their man, Obama, in office, any criticism of him is considered proof the magazine is beyond the pale.

697 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:25:34am

Today's morning Towercam. Looks like it will be a hot one in L.A.

(San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.)

"Paradise is all around us and we do not understand." —Thomas Merton.

BB this evening.

698 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:25:40am

re: #666 KenJen

Mom jeans

Sigh. I don't find that funny. Just stupid.

699 gymmom  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:26:01am

re: #652 freetoken

There used to be extra taxes on colored margarine. We think of the corn lobby as being so strong today, because of ethanol subsidies, but long ago the dairy farmers held more sway.

I remember my mother and grandmother calling margarine "oleo", which I believe is from the original invention name of the product. I don't know anyone today who still uses that name.

Personally I prefer butter over the vegetable oil stuff.

Growing up when my mom had me write out our shopping list it was always "oleo". I'm sure she still uses that term. Haven't bought that crap in over 20 years!

700 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:26:07am

re: #675 Kenneth

Op-eds in today's WaPo:


Yup, that's "full of neo-cons" alright!

Look at the list of writers in the column a bit down on the left.

What was the name of the terrorist-loving Muslim they've published? Charles had a thread about it a while ago.

701 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:26:09am

re: #632 realwest

{Realwest}

702 ggt  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:26:21am

Oleo

Now you know.

703 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:26:23am

re: #695 Honorary Yooper

I Pass on these pun threads since they're everywhere I Turnpike.

Accept an upding as a token of my appreciation. It may provide the exact change in your karma you were looking for.

704 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:26:45am

re: #687 redstateredneck

I've seen them advertised and wondered about them. You have first hand knowledge of people who have gone there? Around here in the south, most folks go to M D Anderson in Houston if they can afford the trip.

Yes ,,, my wife's freind had her mother there. Her original doctors (in Indianapolis) estimated 2-3 years. Here she is 6 years later ,,,

705 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:26:48am

re: #676 Killian Bundy
Throw those blue dogs a scooby snack!

Seriously, I think enough of them heard from their constituents on the crap and tax bill that they will think long and hard before going into this one.

706 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:26:57am

re: #632 realwest

I'm so sorry to hear this, my friend. You are much loved around here and are in our prayers and thoughts. Hang in there.

707 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:27:04am

re: #669 Alouette

They did that. You know that "Classic Coke" is not the Real thing.

Yes, I'm aware of that. One big change: they no longer use cane sugar, and substitute corn syrup as a sweetener. Although you can still get Coke sweetened with cane sugar in two-liter bottles around Jewish holidays, because it's kosher and - for reasons I won't even pretend to understand - corn syrup isn't. The bottles containing corn syrup typically have a yellow cap. In areas with a large Jewish population, stores heavily advertise the difference. Sometimes, in other areas, it just appears, mixed in with the normal variety without comment.

It has a noticeably different taste.

And don't even get me started on Vernor's gingerale, a pale shadow of it's former self since passing through way too many corporate hands.

708 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:27:11am
709 realwest  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:27:13am

Hey thanks y'all - I appreciate the kind words, good wishes, prayers, crossed arms, legs and fingers (though I think it'll be harder to type that way but ...!).
Just wanted to bring y'all up to date since I've been talking about my cancer out here for a few years - in the hopes that it would help other folks to talk about and share their health concerns and all.
Being alone and being afflicted with a bad ass disease is no way to go through life.

And I do appreciate CHARLES for letting me talk about it so freely.

Thank you all very much.

710 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:27:14am

re: #691 Occasional Reader

(By the way, to any lizards who do any amount of highway driving at all: If you haven't already done so, SIGN UP FOR EZPASS. It can make a truly huge difference in your driving time.)

Most agreed, but find an agency that doesn't charge an annual fee. Staring in Spetember 2009, you'll be able to go from Rockford and Dixon, IL, to Augusta, ME, without stopping at a single toll both to pay cash if you have one.

711 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:27:24am

re: #657 realwest

I know it may be tough, but positive thinking can and will help, as should knowing that many of us here are rooting and/or praying for you in this most difficult of personal battles.

If you are planning a move to relocate to a different/better oncology team, here's NJ Monthly's list of top docs in New Jersey might help with some leads.

712 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:27:38am

re: #696 Kenneth

Again, thank you for illustrating my point. Because TNR has kept to a consistent liberal POV (note: "liberal", not left or progressive), the left & progressives have attacked it as a sell-out. Now that the progressive left has their man, Obama, in office, any criticism of him is considered proof the magazine is beyond the pale.

I consider TNR to be representative of the relatively sane "liberal" left. And that's out of style these days.

713 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:27:42am

re: #693 sattv4u2

y'all have a GREAT effin' oncologist and especialy a great radiation oncologist down here, I'd surely appreciate a reference!

Emory Hospital, Atlanta

[Link: www.emoryhealthcare.org...]

I don't know. I've heard horror stories about Emory.

714 bellamags  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:27:55am

Hey, this is a drive by. I am having an argument online with some liberal regarding taxes.

He believes in socialism because the bible says we should not store our wealth on earth, but in heaven and God teaches us not to be selfish.

I told him the bible also says "thou shall not steal"

I need a come back for this moron and I am so pissed i can't even type.

715 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:28:11am

re: #696 Kenneth

Again, thank you for illustrating my point. Because TNR has kept to a consistent liberal POV (note: "liberal", not left or progressive), the left & progressives have attacked it as a sell-out. Now that the progressive left has their man, Obama, in office, any criticism of him is considered proof the magazine is beyond the pale.

Have to disagree, because 1) left/progressive criticism of TNR started long before Obama even started campaigning, and 2) the left/progressive does NOT consider Obama to be "our guy".

I know that's a shock, but there it is!

more soon,

cheers, ice

716 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:28:25am

re: #666 KenJen

Mom jeans

I see they steered clear of mocking Obama.

717 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:29:09am

re: #695 Honorary Yooper

I Pass on these pun threads since they're everywhere I Turnpike.

What Exit ?(I'm from Jersey).

718 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:29:53am

re: #711 lawhawk

I know it may be tough, but positive thinking can and will help, as should knowing that many of us here are rooting and/or praying for you in this most difficult of personal battles.

If you are planning a move to relocate to a different/better oncology team, here's NJ Monthly's list of top docs in New Jersey might help with some leads.

yeah we may have top docs, but we probably also have some of the worst air?

719 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:29:55am

re: #714 bellamags

Hey, this is a drive by. I am having an argument online with some liberal regarding taxes.

He believes in socialism because the bible says we should not store our wealth on earth, but in heaven and God teaches us not to be selfish.

I told him the bible also says "thou shall not steal"

I need a come back for this moron and I am so pissed i can't even type.

How about not coveting thy neighbor's ass?

720 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:29:56am

re: #713 vxbush

I don't know. I've heard horror stories about Emory.

My wife had surgery there

TOP SHELF in all aspects
pre-surgery, the surgery itself, recovery rooms, follow ups

721 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:30:13am

re: #709 realwest

GO! Onward, realwest! God loves everyone!

722 freedombilly  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:30:15am

re: #709 realwest

Heaven forbid, but if I were to ever find myself in your situation someday I could only pray that I would be able to face such a challenge with the same class and dignity that you have shown throughout this process.

You are an amazing man, rw.

723 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:30:31am

re: #710 Honorary Yooper

Most agreed, but find an agency that doesn't charge an annual fee. /blockquote>

What do you mean by "an agency"? I signed up through the EZPass website. No annual fee, IIRC. Pretty much hassle-free.

724 J.S.  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:30:42am

re: #716 FrogMarch

CNN's Jeanne Moos (imo) wasn't particularly "reverential "...

725 The Hoopster  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:30:53am

re: #719 MandyManners

Good Morning Mandy.. Hope you are well today

726 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:30:54am

re: #714 bellamags

Hmmm, the good servant parable. The one that took his talents and multiplied them?

727 ggt  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:31:03am

Have a great day all!

728 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:31:06am

re: #683 iceweasel

Two liberals, and two conservatives today. I'd call that a balanced op-ed page. Other days, they may have more liberals, or more conservatives.

The other pages of the WaPo have more liberal slant, and even some "progressives" or leftists.

The point is the Obamanites are wailing that the WaPo has "gone neo-con"! like that was some sort of charge of evil blasphemy.

729 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:31:25am

re: #719 MandyManners

How about not coveting thy neighbor's ass?

Good thing I don't live next door to Adriana.

730 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:31:27am

re: #689 MandyManners

This crap has been going on for a long, long time.

Sorry, my bad. You quoted from Animal Farm, not 1984.

731 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:31:41am
732 realwest  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:31:44am

re: #691 Occasional Reader

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733 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:32:09am

re: #720 sattv4u2

My wife had surgery there

TOP SHELF in all aspects
pre-surgery, the surgery itself, recovery rooms, follow ups

Glad to hear it, for your sake.

734 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:32:11am

re: #714 bellamags

Hey, this is a drive by. I am having an argument online with some liberal regarding taxes.

He believes in socialism because the bible says we should not store our wealth on earth, but in heaven and God teaches us not to be selfish.

I told him the bible also says "thou shall not steal"

I need a come back for this moron and I am so pissed i can't even type.

A worker being worthy of his hire?

735 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:32:23am

re: #724 J.S.

CNN's Jeanne Moos (imo) wasn't particularly sufficiently "reverential "...

FTFY, in case anyone's watching.

736 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:32:25am

re: #719 MandyManners

How about not coveting thy neighbor's ass?

Well sometimes that is hard not to do depending upon the ass of course?

737 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:32:27am

re: #719 MandyManners

"The poor you will always have with you"

738 aggieann  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:32:32am

re: #626 vxbush

And yet, Parkay was not available for comment...

re: #667 redstateredneck

Yep, oleo. Had to keep it in the Frigidaire.
;-)

According to my 86-year-old mom, it's in the icebox.

739 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:32:44am

I'm having some issues. Gotta' reboot.

740 realwest  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:32:49am

re: #722 freedombilly
Class and dignity? Hey, whaddya trying to do, ruin my reputation around here?
:)
Thanks a lot my friend.

741 ladycatnip  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:33:17am

Jumping in here before I leave - the Obama WH is threatening republicans who disagree with porkulous pkg.

To Republicans who say the stimulus isn’t working: Back off.

To moderate Democrats wary of health care reform: We’re watching you.

Earlier this week, the administration launched a coordinated effort to jam Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl, an Arizona Republican who’s argued that the government should “cancel the rest of the stimulus spending.” No fewer than four Cabinet secretaries wrote to Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer — also a Republican — to ask her if she agreed with Kyl that it was time to turn off the state’s stimulus spigot.
“If you prefer to forfeit the money we are making available to your state, as Sen. Kyl suggests, please let me know,” wrote Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. For good measure, he attached a three-page addendum listing each of the Arizona projects paid for by the $521 million the state is getting.

Brewer knew she’d been thrown a high, hard one.

“The governor is hopeful that these federal Cabinet officials are not threatening to deny Arizona citizens the portion of federal stimulus funds to which they are entitled,” her spokesman said in a statement. “She believes that would be a tremendous mistake by the administration. And the governor is grateful for the strong leadership and representation that Arizonans enjoy in the United States Senate.”

Chicago thugery at its finest.

742 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:33:36am

re: #704 sattv4u2

Yes ,,, my wife's freind had her mother there. Her original doctors (in Indianapolis) estimated 2-3 years. Here she is 6 years later ,,,

Wow.

743 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:33:51am

re: #707 SixDegrees

Coca Cola produced in Mexico also has regular sugar instead of corn sweeteners. You are also now able to find Coca Cola with sugar in Costco and other locations, but are often sold at a premium (they realize that people know the taste and seek out the original). I know that I do, and I stock up on the Kosher for Passover variety where possible precisely because it tastes better than the corn-sweetened variety.

744 gymmom  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:34:05am

re: #714 bellamags

Hey, this is a drive by. I am having an argument online with some liberal regarding taxes.

He believes in socialism because the bible says we should not store our wealth on earth, but in heaven and God teaches us not to be selfish.

I told him the bible also says "thou shall not steal"

I need a come back for this moron and I am so pissed i can't even type.

Well, you could point out that it was voluntary. Jesus didn't steal anyone's $/goods and give them to the poor! I am so glad there are wealthy people. Without them the Orchestras, pro teams, new hospital wings, new college departments wouldn't exist. I'm sure glad they "store their wealth on earth" and used it for good.

745 realwest  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:34:37am

And a special shout out to y'all who have referred Cancer Treatment centers, doctors and hospitals, but I can't leave the Charlotte area or at least go far from the Charlotte area, cause I gotta take care of Mom and could never leave her alone.
But again, I thank you all very much.

746 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:34:42am

re: #733 vxbush

Glad to hear it, for your sake.

We went there because multiple other freinds of ours had positive experiences there also. Living in Boston for 45 years we were afraid it would be hard to find the quality of medical care we were used to there. Although there doesn't seem to be the QUANTITY as back in Boston, I'm pleased with the QUALITY at Emory

747 J.S.  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:34:43am

re: #728 Kenneth

Personally, I also really dislike the term "neocon" -- this term is used up here in Canada as a pejorative buzzword for "Jews." And I'm really sick of hearing it, and reading it over and over again from the antisemites, etc.

748 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:35:04am

Does anyone take note about the STERN article that says that Iran will be able to test a nuke in 6 months?

I am so happy right now!

/

749 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:35:18am

re: #714 bellamags

Hey, this is a drive by. I am having an argument online with some liberal regarding taxes.

He believes in socialism because the bible says we should not store our wealth on earth, but in heaven and God teaches us not to be selfish.

I told him the bible also says "thou shall not steal"

I need a come back for this moron and I am so pissed i can't even type.

Tell him to kill himself and assign his estate to the government. Might as well practice what he's preaching.

750 freedombilly  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:35:37am

re: #740 realwest

Sorry to blow your cover!

:)

751 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:35:47am

re: #748 Joshua Cohen

Yes I saw that.

752 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:36:01am

re: #714 bellamags

Hey, this is a drive by. I am having an argument online with some liberal regarding taxes.

He believes in socialism because the bible says we should not store our wealth on earth, but in heaven and God teaches us not to be selfish.

I told him the bible also says "thou shall not steal"

I need a come back for this moron and I am so pissed i can't even type.


What the left hates above all are unequal outcomes, even though this is one of the secrets of success of this country. They hate the fact that some people try harder or are smarter and more talented and hence are more successful. They are the ones who want to give every kid a trophy. Taxes are one of the ways they try and level the playingfield.

753 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:36:24am

re: #747 J.S.

Personally, I also really dislike the term "neocon" -- this term is used up here in Canada as a pejorative buzzword for "Jews." And I'm really sick of hearing it, and reading it over and over again from the antisemites, etc.

Hey it's not just Canada. The Liberals down here on the MSM also essentially used "Neocon" and "Jew" interchangeably

754 bellamags  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:36:47am

re: #749 SixDegrees

Tell him to kill himself and assign his estate to the government. Might as well practice what he's preaching.

love it.

755 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:37:24am

re: #738 aggieann

My Italian grandma said ice-a box-a.

756 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:37:26am

re: #738 aggieann

According to my 86-year-old mom, it's in the icebox.

Yep, I thought about that after I posted Frigidaire. She literally remembers the ice box that you had to put a block of ice in.

757 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:37:51am

BBL, really.

758 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:37:53am

re: #753 Nevergiveup

/only neocons are racist/bigot/homophobes

leftists/progressives can call them whatever they want.

759 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:37:58am

I'm not an unbalanced PETA fanatic, but this is sick... Another chapter in the American Idolization of our population...

Terrier dies in hot car as "Idol" hopeful auditions in Denver

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

760 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:38:32am

re: #745 realwest

And a special shout out to y'all who have referred Cancer Treatment centers, doctors and hospitals, but I can't leave the Charlotte area or at least go far from the Charlotte area, cause I gotta take care of Mom and could never leave her alone.
But again, I thank you all very much.

I THINK this facility has provisions to have a family member with you, if wanted/ needed

761 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:38:38am

re: #752 VioletTiger

What the left hates above all are unequal outcomes, even though this is one of the secrets of success of this country. They hate the fact that some people try harder or are smarter and more talented and hence are more successful. They are the ones who want to give every kid a trophy. Taxes are one of the ways they try and level the playingfield.

The "socialism" of the Bible is voluntary. It is never coerced by the state. Acts speaks of the Christians selling their lands and giving the money *freely*. That's a huge difference.

762 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:38:46am

re: #712 Occasional Reader

As a Canadian, perhaps I have a different understanding of the term "liberal". Up here, the Liberal Party is centrist, leaning left or right depending on the prevailing winds. The Conservatives are right, and the NDP are leftist (social democrats mostly, with a motley assortment of trade unionists, environmentalists, feminists, Fabian socialists and Marxist academics).

It's significant that liberal journals like TNR, and others, are being tarred & feathered by the Obamanites for daring to criticize the Dear Leader. As Iceweasel points out, the "progressives" hated TNR before Obama was elected. True, but that only underlines my point. The Democratic Party has moved sharply to the left. The pragmatic Clinton era centrists are out. True Believers are in.

763 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:39:42am

re: #745 realwest

re: #760 sattv4u2

I THINK this facility has provisions to have a family member with you, if wanted/ needed

OOOPPPSSS ,, would have been good if I included what THIS place is!!

[Link: www.cancercenter.com...]

764 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:39:52am
765 realwest  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:40:16am

re: #728 Kenneth
"The point is the Obamanites are wailing that the WaPo has "gone neo-con"! like that was some sort of charge of evil blasphemy."
It is you silly person! Don't you remember when Candidate Obama (you can tell he's President Obama now cause he actually gets to ride in Air Force One!) said "hope and change" and how the "inside the beltway people have controlled this country for too long?"
Well since virtually everyone he's hired has been an inside the beltway type person or left overs from the Clinton or (special "Ugh" here) then he HAS to call everyone who opposes him a Neo Con!

766 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:40:51am

re: #747 J.S.

In Canada, "neocon" is about the worst thing you can call somebody. It roughly translates as "Zionist Bushitler Lover".

767 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:40:54am

Bellamags:

God commands his followers throughout the bible to engage in acts of Charity - to give of their time, money, labor and possessions to those who are in need.

However, this doesn't describe welfare or socialism. In these systems, money is forcibly taken from an individual by a third party and given away. This isn't charity at all. In this scenario, no one is giving freely of their own.

768 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:40:54am

re: #756 redstateredneck

Yep, I thought about that after I posted Frigidaire. She literally remembers the ice box that you had to put a block of ice in.

As a kid, my father had a job carrying those blocks of ice from the truck into someones house

769 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:41:00am

re: #709 realwest

Hey thanks y'all - I appreciate the kind words, good wishes, prayers, crossed arms, legs and fingers (though I think it'll be harder to type that way but ...!).
Just wanted to bring y'all up to date since I've been talking about my cancer out here for a few years - in the hopes that it would help other folks to talk about and share their health concerns and all.
Being alone and being afflicted with a bad ass disease is no way to go through life.

And I do appreciate CHARLES for letting me talk about it so freely.

Thank you all very much.

{realwest} If there's anything I can do besides praying, please let me know.

770 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:41:00am

re: #723 Occasional Reader

I got mine via the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority (I-Pass). Other agencies offer them as well from Indiana to Maine.

771 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:41:01am

The lead story on AOL's home page is about Emmy nominations.

772 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:41:20am

re: #762 Kenneth

As a Canadian, perhaps I have a different understanding of the term "liberal".

Yes, I know. I'm just saying that TNR falls more into the tradition of what's been called "liberal" here (say, a JFK tradition), as opposed to "left", which usually calls to mind people who are further out there.

773 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:41:34am

re: #768 sattv4u2

As a kid, my father had a job carrying those blocks of ice from the truck into someones house

The Iceman Cometh.

774 realwest  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:41:42am

re: #765 realwest
PIMF: (special "Ugh here, Carter) administrations...

Sigh.

775 J.S.  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:41:42am

re: #753 Nevergiveup

(yeah, I'm just aware of how the term has been used/abused here...for something like 8 years (during the Bush administration) that's all we'd ever hear about -- the "neocons" and Bush -- on CBC there was even one vile individual who would repeat (with virtually every single "news" report) on how "Washington is/was doing the bidding of Israel" and/or more conspiracy theories about the "Jewish lobby.")

776 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:41:43am

re: #764 taxfreekiller

Sometimes one must get in a preemptive STFU strike.

777 legalpad  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:41:44am

re: #657 realwest

Thanks freetoken - folks out here last night were really very supportive and gave me some excellent news links and the like and some nice e-mails too.

It just seems strange to me (and a little unnerving, frankly) that I may have to change my oncology "team" since one of the reasons I moved to Charlotte area was that Charlotte Presbyterian Hospital has one of the best Prostate Cancer "groups" around.

Don't let the idea of changing doctors around bug you. My father was a surgeon and I learned early what the limits of doctors were. I remember coming in from working one Sunday and being told that my (then) only child, my daughter, had 106 degree fever. My wife had called the doctor and he reportedly said, "Well, give her some baby tylenol and see if the fever comes down, if it does just come in tomorrow." The fever had indeed come down and my wife told me that the doctor asked "Does she seem sicK?" She said she didn't know how to answer that. She had no cold or flu symptoms, just the fever.

This guy was the guy on call for the weekend, not our regular Doctor, who knew my Father, so I call him up and say, "Shouldn't we take her to the emergency room and check this out?" He says, "You'll just be wasting your money, Mr. Legalpad." Now we didn't have much. My Father was no help because he was pissed at me most of the time about something, and I believe he was out of town anyway.

I told Doctor Dumbass, "That's why I make money, doctor, to spend it on my children. We're going to the emergency room. You can meet us there if you want."

We went, the extremely competent staff at Texas Children's Hospital found Spinal Meningitis Haemophilus type B. By the time they determined that she was already having mild seizures. If we had followed idiot's instructions, she could have been dead by midnight, or had severe brain damage. Instead she is applying for graduate school in Archaeology.

When it comes to Doctors, medicine; caveat emptor

778 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:41:48am

re: #743 lawhawk

I switched from soda to seltzer about 8 years ago. I've probably drank less than 10 Cokes or other sodas since then. To me it doesn't matter how nay of those drinks are sweetened.

779 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:41:53am

re: #768 sattv4u2

As a kid, my father had a job carrying those blocks of ice from the truck into someones house

My father's job was to pull the truck when the horse was sick.
/

780 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:42:05am

re: #766 Kenneth

In Canada, "neocon" is about the worst thing you can call somebody. It roughly translates as "Zionist Bushitler Lover".

I actually proudly self-identify as a "neocon".

781 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:42:09am

re: #759 Walter L. Newton

I'm not an unbalanced PETA fanatic, but this is sick... Another chapter in the American Idolization of our population...

Terrier dies in hot car as "Idol" hopeful auditions in Denver

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

I agree that this is simply sickening. What's worse is that it happens several times every single year, despite widespread reporting.

Far worse, of course, is when happens to kids, and far too often it does. "Far too often" meaning "ever": this is one of those incredibly stupid, totally preventable acts of negligence that even the most dim-witted ought to be able to avoid, yet somehow manage not to.

782 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:42:11am

re: #762 Kenneth

I get a chuckle sometimes. Was taking to an acquaintance once who was from the States. Said that our Conservative party was similar to their Democrat party on the left right scale. :)

/in some senses that's accurate, after all we are a little left up here mostly.

783 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:42:31am

re: #773 redstateredneck

The Iceman Cometh.

he was young ,, but "ICEKID" doesn;'t have the same panache!

784 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:42:47am

re: #717 VioletTiger

What Exit ?(I'm from Jersey).

Heh. We use exit names, not numbers on our tollways. There's not an exit number to be found from South Beloit to South Holland and Zion to Dixon.

785 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:42:52am

re: #748 Joshua Cohen

post link please!

786 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:42:56am

re: #779 Nevergiveup

And now your job is to pull the teeth!

787 bellamags  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:43:03am

OK--- I just slammed the troll. hehehehehe. Thanks guys.

788 realwest  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:43:16am

Well y'all I gotta go now - have a special consult with my Oncologist and am gonna try to get him to see the light: he's a doctor, I'm his patient and he's SUPPOSED to be on my side!
Hope I get the chance to see y'all down the road!

789 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:43:25am

re: #772 Occasional Reader

That's exactly how I see it, too.

790 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:43:29am

Work calls. Have a great day!

791 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:43:46am

re: #779 Nevergiveup

My father's job was to pull the truck when the horse was sick.
/

Uphill...in the winter...barefoot?

792 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:44:10am

And on that note,,, BBL

Gotta go mow the lawn, trim the bushes, gas up the gas guzzling, but oh so comfy Explorer for our family trip back "home"

BOSTON ,,, HERE WE COME!!!

793 J.S.  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:44:37am

re: #766 Kenneth

And it's spat out whenever it's said.

794 KansasMom  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:44:45am

re: #768 sattv4u2

As a kid, my father had a job carrying those blocks of ice from the truck into someones house

My mother has fond memories of having milk delivered to her house as a child. She collects bottles from that dairy.

795 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:45:22am

re: #776 Kenneth

Sometimes one must get in a preemptive STFU strike.

Maybe someone should post one to Avanti. How he thought that incredibly offensive and misogynistic "joke" was appropriate for here is beyond me.

796 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:45:22am

re: #771 MandyManners

The lead story on AOL's home page is about Emmy nominations.

I bet the Michael Jackson Funeral Special sweeps the Emmys!

797 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:45:27am

re: #777 legalpad

Don't let the idea of changing doctors around bug you. My father was a surgeon and I learned early what the limits of doctors were. I remember coming in from working one Sunday and being told that my (then) only child, my daughter, had 106 degree fever. My wife had called the doctor and he reportedly said, "Well, give her some baby tylenol and see if the fever comes down, if it does just come in tomorrow." The fever had indeed come down and my wife told me that the doctor asked "Does she seem sicK?" She said she didn't know how to answer that. She had no cold or flu symptoms, just the fever.

This guy was the guy on call for the weekend, not our regular Doctor, who knew my Father, so I call him up and say, "Shouldn't we take her to the emergency room and check this out?" He says, "You'll just be wasting your money, Mr. Legalpad." Now we didn't have much. My Father was no help because he was pissed at me most of the time about something, and I believe he was out of town anyway.

I told Doctor Dumbass, "That's why I make money, doctor, to spend it on my children. We're going to the emergency room. You can meet us there if you want."

We went, the extremely competent staff at Texas Children's Hospital found Spinal Meningitis Haemophilus type B. By the time they determined that she was already having mild seizures. If we had followed idiot's instructions, she could have been dead by midnight, or had severe brain damage. Instead she is applying for graduate school in Archaeology.

When it comes to Doctors, medicine; caveat emptor

In some ways, this is what I feel like I'm dealing with now, trying to find a diagnosis for my exhaustion and getting the doctors to take my thyroid problems seriously.

Anyone here who is a doctor should speak up, but I think a lot of it has to do with the cases that don't present classically and time. Doctors are horribly overworked and pressed for time and expected to do a perfect job 100% of the time. That's hard for anyone, much less if you have someone's health in your hands.

798 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:45:32am

re: #789 Kenneth

That's exactly how I see it, too.

Excellent. My Jedi Mind Trick is obviously working.

799 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:46:14am

re: #787 bellamags

No problem. We have a depth and breadth of knowledge here. :)

800 SurferDoc  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:46:17am

re: #756 redstateredneck

Yep, I thought about that after I posted Frigidaire. She literally remembers the ice box that you had to put a block of ice in.

I remember when we threw out the ice box from our little summer bungalow because we had brought the 'old' Frigidaire out there. That must have been around 1954. The Ice Man who brought ice to your home faded out a little before that, IIRC.

801 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:46:22am

re: #794 KansasMom

My mother has fond memories of having milk delivered to her house as a child. She collects bottles from that dairy.

I even remember milk being delivered

802 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:46:31am

re: #796 Mad Al-Jaffee

I bet the Michael Jackson Funeral Special sweeps the Emmys!

In the documentary category?

803 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:46:42am

re: #771 MandyManners

The lead story on AOL's home page is about Emmy nominations.

The Yahoo home page news lead seems to have been dramatically dumbed-down in recent weeks. (Not that it was any prize to begin with.)

804 The Hoopster  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:46:44am

re: #787 bellamags

OK--- I just slammed the troll. hehehehehe. Thanks guys.

Good Morning Bella! Nice seeing you!

805 aggieann  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:47:06am

re: #784 Honorary Yooper

Heh. We use exit names, not numbers on our tollways. There's not an exit number to be found from South Beloit to South Holland and Zion to Dixon.

A friend of mine grew up assuming that the Frontages were an important family since so many Texas towns had roads named after them . . .

806 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:47:13am

re: #794 KansasMom

My mother has fond memories of having milk delivered to her house as a child. She collects bottles from that dairy.

Damn I'm old. Whn I was a kid we had milk deleivered to our house

On the back porch, we had a metalic box with enough space to put four quart bottles in. How many ever empty bottle we left in there, thats how many full ones the delivery guy would leave, along with the bill. The next morning, we would place more empties along with an enevelope with the cash in it

807 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:47:34am

re: #801 Nevergiveup

I even remember milk being delivered

Was that when you had to walk ten miles in the snow, uphill both ways, to get to school every day? :)

You kids get offa my lawn!

808 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:47:47am

re: #803 Occasional Reader

The Yahoo home page news lead seems to have been dramatically dumbed-down in recent weeks. (Not that it was any prize to begin with.)

I rarely use the word "sheeple" but, I'm beginning to think of it more and more.

809 legalpad  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:47:56am

re: #797 vxbush

In some ways, this is what I feel like I'm dealing with now, trying to find a diagnosis for my exhaustion and getting the doctors to take my thyroid problems seriously.

Anyone here who is a doctor should speak up, but I think a lot of it has to do with the cases that don't present classically and time. Doctors are horribly overworked and pressed for time and expected to do a perfect job 100% of the time. That's hard for anyone, much less if you have someone's health in your hands.

I assume that you have had a complete routine annual checkup with lab work and everything? They have a blood test for thyroid function, also.

810 KenJen  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:48:01am

re: #717 VioletTiger

What Exit ?(I'm from Jersey).

MADD is very upset over this.

811 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:48:18am

re: #795 MandyManners

I must have missed that one. Thankfully.

By all means, preemptive away!

812 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:48:27am

re: #805 aggieann

A friend of mine grew up assuming that the Frontages were an important family since so many Texas towns had roads named after them . . .

I think "frontage" sounds dirty.

(Maybe I've been reading too many Thobert McGee posts.)

813 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:49:04am
814 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:49:29am

re: #807 Mad Al-Jaffee

Was that when you had to walk ten miles in the snow, uphill both ways, to get to school every day? :)

You kids get offa my lawn!

I really do remember that. I did walk to school with friends in good weather. And in the summer I never wore shoes outside and I left the house at 8,9 and my mom didn't see me usually till late afternoon. Ah the good old days

815 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:49:45am

re: #808 MandyManners

I rarely use the word "sheeple" but, I'm beginning to think of it more and more.

The Yahoo featured stories lately have been all either 1) Michael Jackson, or 2) something weird involving either a boxer or a UFC fighter. Very bizarre.

816 gymmom  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:50:25am

re: #806 sattv4u2

Damn I'm old. Whn I was a kid we had milk deleivered to our house

On the back porch, we had a metalic box with enough space to put four quart bottles in. How many ever empty bottle we left in there, thats how many full ones the delivery guy would leave, along with the bill. The next morning, we would place more empties along with an enevelope with the cash in it

We also had a metallic box (on the front porch) They put a 2 gallon box of milk. It had a plastic liner and a spout to push in and you just put your glass under it. Loved it as a kid.

817 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:50:37am

re: #809 legalpad

I assume that you have had a complete routine annual checkup with lab work and everything? They have a blood test for thyroid function, also.

Oh, yes, I just had one last week along with a sonogram and I go in next week to discuss the results. But there's a family history of thyroid problems that includes energy problems long before the bloodwork shows any change.

818 The Hoopster  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:50:37am

re: #806 sattv4u2

Damn I'm old. Whn I was a kid we had milk deleivered to our house

On the back porch, we had a metalic box with enough space to put four quart bottles in. How many ever empty bottle we left in there, thats how many full ones the delivery guy would leave, along with the bill. The next morning, we would place more empties along with an enevelope with the cash in it


Dude..you are old *wink*
Why did they have milkmen back then? People to lazy to go to the store?

819 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:51:47am

re: #801 Nevergiveup

I even remember milk being delivered


I remember it being delivered but by then it was in cartons, not bottles. They quit bottling it the year before I started school. I was bummed because I wanted to get those little bottles for milk break.
:-(

820 gymmom  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:51:58am

re: #818 HoosierHoops

Dude..you are old *wink*
Why did they have milkmen back then? People to lazy to go to the store?

My grandfather was a "milkman". He turns 100 this Dec.

821 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:52:03am

re: #777 legalpad

Wow. I had a similar experience with my oldest child when she was 5 months old. My husband was in the Navy at the time so we took her to the pediatrician at the base clinic. He said it was just a cold and to give her Tylenol. Overnight her fever went up, she'd developed a rash on her tummy, and she was crying inconsolably. She threw up every dose of Tylenol we gave her. Finally at 5 a.m. I decided to take her to the emergency room. She turned out to have viral meningitis, which isn't as dangerous as bacterial but still pretty serious. They kept her in the hospital for 3 days. Amazingly, the pediatrician actually apologized to me for not catching it the day before. I felt it was an honest mistake, but I don't know if I would have felt so forgiving if my daughter hadn't recovered fully.

822 bellamags  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:52:10am

re: #804 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Bella! Nice seeing you!

Hey Hoops honey how are you?

823 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:52:35am

re: #820 gymmom

My grandfather was a "milkman". He turns 100 this Dec.

I have relatives with the last name "Milkman."

824 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:52:55am

I remember back when we first domesticated cows. Man, those were the days.

825 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:53:21am

re: #812 Occasional Reader

I think "frontage" sounds dirty.

(Maybe I've been reading too many Thobert McGee posts.)

Now full frontage, that would be dirty.

826 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:53:28am

re: #818 HoosierHoops

Dude..you are old *wink*
Why did they have milkmen back then? People to lazy to go to the store?

It was called SERVICE!

Go to the gas station, they cleaned your windows, checked you oil and water, while THEY pumped the gas

And you left there with a drinking glass,,, FREE!

We also had a guy that came around once every 2 months or so and would sharpen your kitchen knives or any hand tools (saws,, drill bits, etc)

827 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:53:28am

Hiya, {Lizard Nation}!

Sorry to have been AWOL ...

Anything really Lizardia-shaking happened while I was away?
Do tell!

828 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:54:19am

re: #814 Nevergiveup

I really do remember that. I did walk to school with friends in good weather. And in the summer I never wore shoes outside and I left the house at 8,9 and my mom didn't see me usually till late afternoon. Ah the good old days

Even Lava soap couldn't get the tar off the soles of my feet.

829 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:54:31am

re: #824 Occasional Reader

Smile!

830 The Hoopster  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:54:47am

re: #822 bellamags

Hey Hoops honey how are you?

I'm doing wonderful..Hope you are well..
I'm looking for a pair of handcuffs cause I so want to skip work this afternoon and go golfing..I really should stay...:)

831 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:54:48am

re: #819 redstateredneck

There's a local organic market that sells pasturized but non-homogenized milk. They sell it in big glass bottles. You have to pay a $2 deposit when you buy a new bottle, but you get that back when you return it (or you don't pay the deposit when you return it and buy a new bottle.) It's really good tasting milk, but it has a lot of solids in it. You have to shake it before pouring it.

832 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:55:04am

Some snippets from an interesting article I read this morning titled "Al Gore and Friends Create Climate of McCarthyism"

DISCUSSIONS about global warming are marked by an increasing desire to stamp out "impure" thinking, to the point of questioning the value of democratic debate. But shutting down discussion simply means the disappearance of reason from public policy...

After the narrow passage of the Waxman-Markey climate change bill in the US House of Representatives, Krugman said that there was no justification for a vote against it. He called virtually all of the members who voted against it "climate deniers" who were committing "treason against the planet"...

There is clearly a trend. The climate threat is so great -- and democracies are doing so little about it -- that people conclude that maybe democracy is part of the problem, and that perhaps people ought not be allowed to express heterodox opinions on such an important topic.

This is scary, although not without historical precedent. Much of the American McCarthyism of the 1940s and 50s was driven by the same burning faith in the righteousness of the mission: a faith that saw fundamental rights abrogated. We would be well served to go down a different path...
Even if every Kyoto-obligated country passed its own, duplicate Waxman-Markey bills -- which is implausible and would incur significantly higher costs -- the global reduction would amount to just 0.22C by the end of this century. The reduction in global temperature would not be measurable in 100 years, yet the cost would be significant and payable now.

Is it really treason against the planet to express some scepticism about whether this is the right way forward? Is it treason to question throwing huge sums of money at a policy that will do virtually no good in 100 years? Is it unreasonable to point out that the inevitable creation of trade barriers that will ensue from Waxman-Markey could eventually cost the world 10 times more than the damage climate change could ever have wrought?

Today's focus on ineffective and costly climate policies shows poor judgment. But I would never want to shut down discussion about these issues, whether it is with Gore, Hansen, or Krugman.

Everybody involved in this discussion should spend more time building and acknowledging good arguments, and less time telling others what they cannot say. Wanting to shut down the discussion is simply treason against reason...

There's more to it, but those are some highlights.

833 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:55:24am

re: #826 sattv4u2

Go to the gas station, they cleaned your windows, checked you oil and water, while THEY pumped the gas

I remember as a young child thinking that gas station attendants must be incredibly rich, since they also pulled out these huge wads of cash to make change.

834 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:55:30am

Okay kiddies. I want tio hit the highway real early tomorrow for our trip back to Boston, so I HAVE to go get some yeardwork and packing done!

I'f i'm not BBL, I'll "see" you all in a couple of days when we arrive

835 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:55:51am

re: #812 Occasional Reader

I think "frontage" sounds dirty.

It does sound a lot like "frottage."

836 SurferDoc  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:55:54am

I remember when lobsters were discovered. Everyone was saying, "God, what an ugly damn thing that is!" I picked one up and threw it in the fire and said, "Hell, I'm gonna eat it!" The rest is history...

837 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:56:29am

re: #833 Occasional Reader

I remember as a young child thinking that gas station attendants must be incredibly rich, since they also pulled out these huge wads of cash to make change.

heh,,, the summer between my 15th and 16th b'day, I was one of those "rich" guys!

838 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:56:52am

re: #830 HoosierHoops

I'm looking for a pair of handcuffs cause I so want to skip work this afternoon

I didn't realize you worked in the field of... [cough] "adult services".

839 The Hoopster  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:56:58am

re: #827 yma o hyd

Hiya, {Lizard Nation}!

Sorry to have been AWOL ...

Anything really Lizardia-shaking happened while I was away?
Do tell!

Hi There Yma! welcome home

840 aggieann  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:57:27am

re: #812 Occasional Reader

I think "frontage" sounds dirty.

(Maybe I've been reading too many Thobert McGee posts.)

Another friend, as a child in San Antonio, stayed in bed for two days after swimming in a lake, afraid that he was dying of peligro. He felt much better once someone told him that the "Danger Peligro" signs were simply in English and Spanish.

841 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:57:42am

re: #836 SurferDoc

I remember when lobsters were discovered. Everyone was saying, "God, what an ugly damn thing that is!" I picked one up and threw it in the fire and said, "Hell, I'm gonna eat it!" The rest is history...

I alwsys wondered who the 1st person was that looked at a chicken and said

"You know,, I'm going to eat the next thing that comes out of that thing!"

842 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:57:51am

re: #676 Killian Bundy

Any democrat who votes for this crap sandwich must be labeled a business killing neo-Marxist fascist and voted out of office asap.

843 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:58:18am

re: #810 KenJen

MADD is very upset over this.

MADD needs to get a sense of humor. Naming the brews after the exits is actually pretty damn funny.

844 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:58:36am

re: #826 sattv4u2

It was called SERVICE!

Go to the gas station, they cleaned your windows, checked you oil and water, while THEY pumped the gas

And you left there with a drinking glass,,, FREE!

We also had a guy that came around once every 2 months or so and would sharpen your kitchen knives or any hand tools (saws,, drill bits, etc)

I LOVED the Marathon glasses with the BC characters!

845 albusteve  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:58:38am

the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Amendments are 18 pages...
the Waxman-Markey bill alone is 1428 pages...
I hate the feds

846 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:58:43am

re: #836 SurferDoc

I remember when lobsters were discovered. Everyone was saying, "God, what an ugly damn thing that is!" I picked one up and threw it in the fire and said, "Hell, I'm gonna eat it!" The rest is history...

That's not the way I remember, we all said, "give it to SurferDoc, he'll eat anything!"

;-P

847 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:58:47am

My dad had a couple of gas stations. When self serve pumps came into being, his customers would still come to the full service pumps once a month and want you to check every fluid level, the air in your tires, clean the windshield, and on and on and on. He had some choice words when he would tell us about them.

848 The Hoopster  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:59:02am

re: #838 Occasional Reader

I didn't realize you worked in the field of... [cough] "adult services".

Ok just because they are fuzzy pink handcuff that doesn't mean anything
It's all I could find on short notice...:)

849 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:59:19am

re: #759 Walter L. Newton

I'm not an unbalanced PETA fanatic, but this is sick... Another chapter in the American Idolization of our population...

Terrier dies in hot car as "Idol" hopeful auditions in Denver

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

What I'd like to say would get me deleted.

850 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:59:22am

re: #836 SurferDoc

I remember when lobsters were discovered. Everyone was saying, "God, what an ugly damn thing that is!" I picked one up and threw it in the fire and said, "Hell, I'm gonna eat it!" The rest is history...

Lobster? Oh, how we'd have loved a nice, tasty lobster when I was a kid. But they hadn't evolved yet. We had to make do with trilobites. Nasty critters, without much meat on 'em.

851 gymmom  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:59:38am

re: #841 sattv4u2

I alwsys wondered who the 1st person was that looked at a chicken and said

"You know,, I'm going to eat the next thing that comes out of that thing!"

My 14 year old announced she wanted raise chickens while eating dinner last night. I asked if she was going to kill and prepare them. She said yes, just not feed them. You gotta wonder what goes on in that head. I do know she loves chicken.

852 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 7:59:53am

re: #811 Kenneth

I must have missed that one. Thankfully.

By all means, preemptive away!

It really, really pissed me off.

853 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:00:49am

re: #815 Occasional Reader

The Yahoo featured stories lately have been all either 1) Michael Jackson, or 2) something weird involving either a boxer or a UFC fighter. Very bizarre.

I'm all for a bit of "light" news but, not when it's replacing things we NEED to know.

854 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:00:50am

re: #843 Honorary Yooper

MADD needs to get a sense of humor. Naming the brews after the exits is actually pretty damn funny.

If you read some of their literature or talking points, it becomes a little clear that they are a finely veiled prohibition movement. They seem to take a very strong line against promoting any type of alcohol.

855 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:00:59am

re: #852 MandyManners

It really, really pissed me off.

I just had the displeasure of reading that one, while checking the Bottom Ten comments. Indeed, a nasty piece of work.

856 SurferDoc  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:01:04am

re: #846 jcm

That's not the way I remember, we all said, "give it to SurferDoc, he'll eat anything!"

;-P

Damn! Busted. ;)

857 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:01:21am

re: #851 gymmom

[Link: comics.com...]

858 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:01:24am

re: #841 sattv4u2

"Scottish cuisine began as a dare" - Mike Myers

859 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:01:31am

re: #824 Occasional Reader

I remember back when we first domesticated cows. Man, those were the days.

Remember when the first one was tipped?

860 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:02:01am

re: #827 yma o hyd

Hiya, {Lizard Nation}!

Sorry to have been AWOL ...

Anything really Lizardia-shaking happened while I was away?
Do tell!

How's Madame?

861 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:02:10am

re: #839 HoosierHoops

Hi There Yma! welcome home

Hiya, {HH}!

Hows you, and hows that Winston?

862 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:02:39am

re: #859 MandyManners

Remember when the first one was tipped?

Yep. And it was only 10% back in those days, not these ridiculous 20% tips we're expected to give now.

863 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:02:44am

re: #843 Honorary Yooper

MADD needs to get a sense of humor. Naming the brews after the exits is actually pretty damn funny.

MADD has the same sense of humor that NOW and PETA have.

Actually, PETA can be pretty funny, but usually not on purpose.

864 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:03:02am

re: #845 albusteve

the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Amendments are 18 pages...
the Waxman-Markey bill alone is 1428 pages...
I hate the feds

In a state where corruption abounds, laws must be very numerous.
Publius Cornelius Tacitus

Such bills are not for the common good. They are full of bribes to interest groups out of the public treasury.

865 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:03:06am

re: #832 Pianobuff

Holdren has said that he could see his way to prosecuting executives at oil companies being prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

866 gymmom  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:03:16am

re: #857 Mad Al-Jaffee

[Link: comics.com...]

LOL. my teen will appreciate too.

867 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:03:39am
868 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:03:53am

re: #851 gymmom

My 14 year old announced she wanted raise chickens while eating dinner last night. I asked if she was going to kill and prepare them. She said yes, just not feed them. You gotta wonder what goes on in that head. I do know she loves chicken.

She wouldn't love it if she had to kill it, pluck it, gut it, cut it up, etc.

869 tankascribe  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:04:19am

For anyone who's a NASA/Space flight buff, NASA is running streaming audio of the Apollo 11 mission in real time. At this point, they're getting ready to break Earth orbit with the trans-Lunar burn.

Just hearing the voice of Mission Control again makes all the hairs on my arms stand up...

870 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:04:20am

re: #830 HoosierHoops

I'm doing wonderful..Hope you are well..
I'm looking for a pair of handcuffs cause I so want to skip work this afternoon and go golfing..I really should stay...:)

They're hanging up next to the whips.

871 gymmom  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:04:43am

re: #868 redstateredneck

She wouldn't love it if she had to kill it, pluck it, gut it, cut it up, etc.

Yeah, she's clueless. Tried to explain a little, but . . . well, she's 14.

872 The Hoopster  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:04:48am

re: #856 SurferDoc

Damn! Busted. ;)

We had a party once when we were pretty young.. We had lobster races during the day and we would boil the loser of each race heat. Till we had a winner..Then we ate him too...

873 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:05:01am

re: #833 Occasional Reader

I remember as a young child thinking that gas station attendants must be incredibly rich, since they also pulled out these huge wads of cash to make change.

What's a "gas station attendant"?

874 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:05:16am

re: #860 MandyManners

How's Madame?

She's fine - a bit slow today, but I think thats because I chagned the routine of where we go! I wanted her to meet Bas again, but he was out too early for us (or so I was told later, by his 'dad'!) - going to meet him tomorrow at 7 a.m.!

875 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:05:17am

re: #810 KenJen

MADD is very upset over this.

Rogue Brewery in Oregon has some good brews.
I can't stomach their choice in iconography.

876 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:05:26am

re: #869 tankascribe

NASA is running streaming audio of the Apollo 11 mission in real time

Well... not really.

877 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:05:28am

Unbridled Capitalism is a vicious and inhuman system which treats workers like machines and encourages the strong to trample the weak.
Communism stifles human initiative, rewards mediocrity and encourages corruption and privilege based on party affiliation.
Western constitutional democracies and republics seek to ameliorate the harshest and most exploitative features of capitalism by casting a safety net to provide the weak and sick with some basic levels of support.
As the political pendulum swings back and forth over time, we end up with bastardized, inconsistent, terrible systems, which happen to be the best in the world.

878 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:06:13am

re: #873 MandyManners

What's a "gas station attendant"?

You can still find them on that Garden State Parkay Parkway I mentioned above. (Self-serve is illegal in NJ, for some odd reason.)

879 legalpad  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:06:25am

re: #817 vxbush

Oh, yes, I just had one last week along with a sonogram and I go in next week to discuss the results. But there's a family history of thyroid problems that includes energy problems long before the bloodwork shows any change.

I think some of this thyroid stuff is beyond them right now. Maybe check some nutrient/herbal approaches. Gotta be careful with herbs, though. Some of them are simply drugs, that can kill you or screw you up.

880 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:06:51am

re: #759 Walter L. Newton

I'm not an unbalanced PETA fanatic, but this is sick... Another chapter in the American Idolization of our population...

Terrier dies in hot car as "Idol" hopeful auditions in Denver

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

The American Idol people should humiliate this guy and turn it into an opportunity to let our mostly-brain-dead-self-absorbed-idiot-youth know that this is unacceptable behavior.

881 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:07:03am

Any hockey fans, the annual Winter Classic for next year will be the Bruins against the Flyers in Fenway Rink!

882 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:07:08am

re: #855 Occasional Reader

I just had the displeasure of reading that one, while checking the Bottom Ten comments. Indeed, a nasty piece of work.

Why did he think it would be acceptable here?

883 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:07:35am

re: #875 jcm

Rogue Brewery in Oregon has some good brews.
I can't stomach their choice in iconography.

I love their Dead Guy Ale, especially on tap.

884 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:08:00am

re: #875 jcm

You should try some Stone Brewery in CA. Excellent stuff. A little overpriced, but very good beer.

885 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:08:03am

re: #862 Occasional Reader

Yep. And it was only 10% back in those days, not these ridiculous 20% tips we're expected to give now.

*sigh*

886 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:08:07am

re: #865 MandyManners

Holdren has said that he could see his way to prosecuting executives at oil companies being prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

Yeah, that dude's some peach. Puts real flesh and blood on Orwellian fantasy.

887 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:08:25am
888 The Hoopster  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:08:37am

re: #861 yma o hyd

Hiya, {HH}!

Hows you, and hows that Winston?

He is doing great! Last night I was sitting on the front porch watching him run anound when a pure white cat wandered into the yard.. I shook my head...Uh oh! Winston ran over and played with the cat...
He has a new buddy in the neighborhood

889 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:09:24am

re: #874 yma o hyd

What's your weather?

890 gymmom  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:09:26am

well, gotta go be an example of industriousness for the gymnasts. They're up before noon!

891 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:09:29am

re: #876 Occasional Reader

Well... not really.

40 year delay?

892 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:09:31am

re: #865 MandyManners

Holdren has said that he could see his way to prosecuting executives at oil companies being prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

Not that I doubt you, but do you have a source?

893 calcajun  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:09:39am

re: #884 Mad Al-Jaffee

A little overrated. Fat Tire is better--but pricey.

894 legalpad  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:09:50am

re: #821 doppelganglander

Wow. Dr. Dumbass was kicked out of his clinic after that. He did show up at the emergency room eventually, but they were treating her already; ten days of I.V. anti-biotics. He never apologized for almost killing my daughter.

895 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:09:55am

re: #891 redstateredneck

40 year delay?

It was all faked anyway.

//

896 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:10:01am
897 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:10:27am

re: #878 Occasional Reader

You can still find them on that Garden State Parkay Parkway I mentioned above. (Self-serve is illegal in NJ, for some odd reason.)

It was illegal in Oregon when I lived there. The first time I tried to fill up was quiet farcical.

898 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:10:34am

Someone's favorite Brazilian, with child.

899 albusteve  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:10:36am

re: #882 MandyManners

Why did he think it would be acceptable here?

creepy negative attention whore

900 wintercat  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:10:46am

"The American people have to realize that there's no such thing as a free lunch." -- BHO

The irony is just stunning. 57% tax to fund Obama's healthcare plan madness

901 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:10:54am

re: #888 HoosierHoops

He is doing great! Last night I was sitting on the front porch watching him run anound when a pure white cat wandered into the yard.. I shook my head...Uh oh! Winston ran over and played with the cat...
He has a new buddy in the neighborhood

Oh thats lovely!
Winston is a true character.
Madame would have had that cat on the top of the nearest tree in no time at all!

902 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:11:06am

Why We Endorsed Warrantless Wiretaps
by John Yoo


Suppose an al Qaeda cell in New York, Chicago or Los Angeles was planning a second attack using small arms, conventional explosives or even biological, chemical or nuclear weapons. Our intelligence and law enforcement agencies faced a near impossible task locating them. Now suppose the National Security Agency (NSA), which collects signals intelligence, threw up a virtual net to intercept all electronic communications leaving and entering Osama bin Laden's Afghanistan headquarters. What better way of detecting follow-up attacks? And what president -- of either political party -- wouldn't immediately order the NSA to start, so as to find and stop the attackers?

The best way to find an al Qaeda operative is to look at all email, text and phone traffic between Afghanistan and Pakistan and the U.S. This might involve the filtering of innocent traffic, just as roadblocks and airport screenings do.

Every federal appeals court to address the question has agreed that the president may gather electronic intelligence to protect against foreign threats. This includes the special FISA appeals court, which in a 2002 sealed case upholding the constitutionality of the Patriot Act held that "the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information." The court said it took the president's power "for granted," observing that "FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power."

...Now, according to the inspectors general, those of us in government following the 9/11 terrorist attacks should have assumed that the usual peacetime rules for domestic wiretaps applied and interpreted FISA in a most curious way -- to delete the president's traditional authority as commander in chief to collect signals intelligence in wartime.

...The report also suggests that "other" intelligence measures -- still classified only because they are yet to be reported on the front page of the New York Times -- similarly lacked approval from other branches of government

903 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:11:09am

re: #897 MandyManners

It was illegal in Oregon when I lived there. The first time I tried to fill up was quiet farcical.

"Lady! Get your hands off my nozzle!"

904 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:11:47am

re: #884 Mad Al-Jaffee

You should try some Stone Brewery in CA. Excellent stuff. A little overpriced, but very good beer.

Big Stone fan.

905 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:11:52am

re: #877 Spare O'Lake

Capitalism isn't a system of government, it's a system of commerce. Humans are corrupt - so any system of government can be corrupted. (and of course any system of commerce can be misused by greed-heads.) Capitalism applied properly within the confines of laws and a healthy constitutional republic is the best system we humans have devised to promote individual freedom and prosperity.

906 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:11:59am

re: #886 Pianobuff

Yeah, that dude's some peach. Puts real flesh and blood on Orwellian fantasy.

I wish Malkin would go after him on the basis of his fake science and economics instead of his writings on forced sterilization. I reckon the former aren't "sexxy" enough. However, the latter are happening.

907 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:11:59am

re: #898 rightside

[sigh]

908 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:12:10am

re: #876 Occasional Reader

Live from tape perhaps.

909 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:12:15am

Anyone heard from jorline lately?

910 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:12:33am

re: #898 rightside

Someone's favorite Brazilian, with child.

Hot. Damn.

911 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:12:46am

re: #894 legalpad

Wow. Dr. Dumbass was kicked out of his clinic after that. He did show up at the emergency room eventually, but they were treating her already; ten days of I.V. anti-biotics. He never apologized for almost killing my daughter.

You really wonder what it takes to get a doctor fired or to have his license revoked. I'm just glad your daughter recovered fully. She sounds like a smart girl, too.

912 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:13:01am

re: #889 MandyManners

What's your weather?

Whaddaya think!

Its raining, of course - and more to come this night and tomorrow!
Afternoon before last, it was as if the whole sky was just one giant power-shower.
Well, at least its warm, and not coming at you horizontally at 100 mph!

913 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:13:03am

re: #892 Occasional Reader

Not that I doubt you, but do you have a source?

Gah... never mind, I read that as HOLDER, not HOLDREN. Sorry. I thought you meant the AG.

914 aggieann  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:13:03am

re: #909 midwestgak

Anyone heard from jorline lately?

Or Afrocity?

915 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:13:32am

Gotta go. Later.

916 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:14:04am

re: #897 MandyManners

It was illegal in Oregon when I lived there. The first time I tried to fill up was quiet farcical.

Probably as farcical as the first time I tried to pump gas after a lifetime of having it done for me in NJ.

917 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:14:13am

Oh, I gotta brag. I just scored 117 points on Scrabble for fizzy.
That's the highest single word score I've ever made and it's not even a bingo.
:D

918 rightside  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:14:20am

re: #915 Occasional Reader

Just because I posted Adriana? LOL

919 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:15:04am
920 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:15:10am

re: #889 MandyManners

What's your weather?

Oh - and I'm really cross with those weather forecasters!
They said it would be a really hot summer - so I got meself some really summery clothes in the sales ...

Have I been able to wear them?

Have I heck!

B*stards ...

921 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:15:18am

Clueless on the bench.

Sotomayor on Whether Citizens Have a Right to Self Defense - "I don't know"

Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) finished an excellent line of questioning this morning and Sotomayor’s answers were telling. Obama’s nominee to the Supreme Court could not answer a simple question as to “do you have a personal opinion, or can you give me your opinion, of whether or not in this county I personally, as an individual citizen, have a right to self defense?” Sotomayor answered, “I --- as I said, I don’t know.”
922 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:15:18am

Sigh. Cat therapy is just wonderful. I wish I could have her at work with me.

923 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:15:24am

re: #892 Occasional Reader

Not that I doubt you, but do you have a source?

Holdren reacts to correction the way a rattlesnake reacts to sudden movement: with velocity and venom. As long ago as the early 1970s, he and Paul Ehrlich engaged in a campaign to silence fellow radical Barry Commoner, a onetime fringe presidential candidate, because the latter viewed technology as more damaging than overpopulation. More recently, he co-authored a scathing, 11-page attack against Bjorn Lomborg for having the temerity to question Green-Left orthodoxy. Yet that pales in comparison to his view of some global warming "deniers."

Last July 3, as an advisor to the Obama campaign, Holdren appeared on the radical program "Democracy Now!" hosted by Amy Goodman. Goodman asked him about comments made by his friend Dr. James Hansen (see above). Specifically, Hansen said, "large energy companies are guilty of crimes against humanity, if they continue to dispute what is understood scientifically and to fund contrarians, and if they push us past tipping points that end up destroying many species on the planet and having a huge impact on humanity itself." Goodman asked Holdren if he agreed "the CEOs of large energy companies are guilty of, should be tried for crimes against humanity?"

Holdren replied: "I couldn't really say. I'm not qualified to assess what the heads of oil companies, past or present, have done in this domain. My understanding is that Exxon, in particular, did fund a variety of small think tanks to generate what amounts to propaganda against understanding of what climate change was doing, the human role in causing it. Whether that sort of activity really constitutes crimes against humanity is something for people more embedded in the legal system than I to judge." He went on to say heads of oil companies now were more "enlightened" on carbon emissions, so "I guess I would find the statement that all oil company CEOs, past and present, are guilty of crimes against humanity is maybe a little bit over the top." (Emphasis added.)

In other words, he hedged his bets, pleaded that he was not a legal scholar, but still held out that at least some of the CEOs may well be guilty of crimes against humanity. His reply to whether American citizens should be tried for a capital offense because they exercised their First Amendment rights to disagree with him was a firm maybe.

924 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:15:42am

re: #887 taxfreekiller

Ya, but, this current msm loon kook environmental commie earth first
"pendulum" keeps hitting us in the head causing permanent brain damage.

What seems permanent to us may be only fleeting in the fullness of time.

925 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:15:49am

re: #917 redstateredneck

Oh, I gotta brag. I just scored 117 points on Scrabble for fizzy.
That's the highest single word score I've ever made and it's not even a bingo.
:D

Wha? Congrats! I have to go check...

926 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:15:59am

re: #917 redstateredneck

Oh, I gotta brag. I just scored 117 points on Scrabble for fizzy.
That's the highest single word score I've ever made and it's not even a bingo.
:D

What?! I haven't got the notice yet. Well done!

927 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:16:34am

re: #899 albusteve

creepy negative attention whore

Or, maybe he thought that Conservatives are inherently sexist.

928 legalpad  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:16:36am

re: #911 doppelganglander

You really wonder what it takes to get a doctor fired or to have his license revoked. I'm just glad your daughter recovered fully. She sounds like a smart girl, too.

Thanks. She's the best, and my main source of information about how women think!

929 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:17:14am

re: #925 vxbush

Wha? Congrats! I have to go check...

You're still in the lead, but I've jumped to second place.

930 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:17:14am

re: #894 legalpad

Wow. Dr. Dumbass was kicked out of his clinic after that. He did show up at the emergency room eventually, but they were treating her already; ten days of I.V. anti-biotics. He never apologized for almost killing my daughter.

And one more horror story - On Dec 13, 2007 my mother was diagnosed with ovarian cancer; she died just a couple of weeks later, on Dec 31, 2007.

When I called the doctor about the pain she was in, he told me to treat it with OTC Tylenol.

An idiot and a quack.

931 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:17:36am

re: #903 Occasional Reader

"Lady! Get your hands off my nozzle!"

Well, there was a tug-of-war but, it involved the whole hose.

932 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:17:49am

Good grief.

933 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:17:57am

re: #917 redstateredneck

Oh, I gotta brag. I just scored 117 points on Scrabble for fizzy.
That's the highest single word score I've ever made and it's not even a bingo.
:D

Wow!
Great job. I just played; had a bingo but couldn't play it anywhere, board is too full. Rats.

934 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:18:26am

re: #923 MandyManners

Don't know if you noticed, but the article I linked to earlier was by Lomborg as well.

935 jaunte  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:18:29am

re: #921 jcm

Clueless on the bench.

Sotomayor on Whether Citizens Have a Right to Self Defense - "I don't know"

Keeping her options open.

936 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:18:31am

re: #929 redstateredneck

You're still in the lead, but I've jumped to second place.

You're in the hunt!

937 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:18:38am

re: #912 yma o hyd

Whaddaya think!

Its raining, of course - and more to come this night and tomorrow!
Afternoon before last, it was as if the whole sky was just one giant power-shower.
Well, at least its warm, and not coming at you horizontally at 100 mph!

I bet the Welsh have loverly complexions.

938 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:18:56am

re: #933 reine.de.tout

Wow!
Great job. I just played; had a bingo but couldn't play it anywhere, board is too full. Rats.

I hate it when that happens!

939 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:19:39am

re: #920 yma o hyd

Oh - and I'm really cross with those weather forecasters!
They said it would be a really hot summer - so I got meself some really summery clothes in the sales ...

Have I been able to wear them?

Have I heck!

B*stards ...

Get a bright red rain slicker!

940 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:19:44am

re: #827 yma o hyd

Hiya, {Lizard Nation}!

Sorry to have been AWOL ...

Anything really Lizardia-shaking happened while I was away?
Do tell!

Hello, Yma!
Good to see you here!

941 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:20:23am

re: #930 reine.de.tout

And one more horror story - On Dec 13, 2007 my mother was diagnosed with ovarian cancer; she died just a couple of weeks later, on Dec 31, 2007.

When I called the doctor about the pain she was in, he told me to treat it with OTC Tylenol.

An idiot and a quack.

Unbelievable. Doctors are much too reluctant to give adequate pain relief. What did he think, she was going to become a morphine addict? A dear friend of my family spent years in intractable pain due to a neck and back injury, and she never could get the painkillers she needed.

942 justabill  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:20:24am

re: #878 Occasional Reader

You can still find them on that Garden State Parkay Parkway I mentioned above. (Self-serve is illegal in NJ, for some odd reason.)

Yea, that used to really upset me, having to pay for someone to pump my own gas. Till I realized that Full Service in NJ is cheaper than Self Service in any of the surrounding states.

I still don't like the idea that the state tells gas stations that they must hire someone to pump gas, but its hard to get really worked up about it

943 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:20:29am

re: #921 jcm

Clueless on the bench.

Sotomayor on Whether Citizens Have a Right to Self Defense - "I don't know"

Wow. What a horrible pick.

944 bellamags  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:21:26am

bbiab

945 avanti  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:21:33am

re: #900 wintercat

"The American people have to realize that there's no such thing as a free lunch." -- BHO

The irony is just stunning. 57% tax to fund Obama's healthcare plan madness

Just so you understand the headline:

1. The tax is just a house proposal, not even passed legislation.
2. It's a 45% tax on income monies over $1,000,000 year and well lower then some previous high bracket rates as high as 91%.
3. The 58% rate quotes is the "proposed federal tax and the NYC millionaire tax.

946 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:21:54am

re: #937 MandyManners

I bet the Welsh have loverly complexions.

Welsh women do, indeed!


:-)))

947 legalpad  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:22:25am

re: #930 reine.de.tout

And one more horror story - On Dec 13, 2007 my mother was diagnosed with ovarian cancer; she died just a couple of weeks later, on Dec 31, 2007.

When I called the doctor about the pain she was in, he told me to treat it with OTC Tylenol.

An idiot and a quack.

Ouch. Not so long ago. I'm afraid I would have an unconventional response to being deprived of proper medical care.

948 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:23:27am

re: #939 MandyManners

Get a bright red rain slicker!

GMTA!

I got a nice orange one - in the sales!
A 'civilised' one - not one for dog walking ...

949 Picayune  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:23:33am

re: #881 rightside

Any hockey fans, the annual Winter Classic for next year will be the Bruins against the Flyers in Fenway Rink!


Can't wait! Will the first puck be dropped by "Ulost Now Obeyme"?

950 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:23:33am

re: #930 reine.de.tout

And one more horror story - On Dec 13, 2007 my mother was diagnosed with ovarian cancer; she died just a couple of weeks later, on Dec 31, 2007.

When I called the doctor about the pain she was in, he told me to treat it with OTC Tylenol.

An idiot and a quack.

My mom had colon cancer, that got put into remission for a few years. But it came back this time metastasized to the bones of the spine. We shopped around for a physician who would be willing to "really" treat the pain. We found one and she was able to remain fairly comfortable right up until the end.

If you want to get a glimpse look into the effects of Federal regulations on drugs for pain management. To more often doctors are unwilling to prescribe the dosage a terminal patient needs to remain comfortable because of the various agency that will come sniffing around when a doctor prescribes high dosages and / or volumes of the meds.

951 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:24:26am

re: #941 doppelganglander

Unbelievable. Doctors are much too reluctant to give adequate pain relief. What did he think, she was going to become a morphine addict? A dear friend of my family spent years in intractable pain due to a neck and back injury, and she never could get the painkillers she needed.

This particular doc was (is) a quack.
She had been having symptoms for 6 months, and he was treating her for acid reflux. You would think if nothing was working after a few weeks, he would have ordered more tests, and if he had, he would have found the cancer much earlier. It was a doc at a walk-in clinic that finally found the cancer - she had gone to the clinic for the extreme pain she was in.

The doc woudn't even admit her to the hospital, until the day before she died. There was a cancer treatment center in the town where she lived; she never once saw the inside of it. I suspect they would have known how to treat her. It was a mess; and she was going downhill so quickly, and it was Christmas and everybody was off on holiday - I still have a lot of anger at that doc.

952 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:24:57am

re: #940 reine.de.tout

Hello, Yma!
Good to see you here!

Hiya {reine}!

Glad to be back - and so happy to see you here.

Oh, and as I told Mandy - its raining, again ...
At least Madame is nice and clean and fluffy now!

953 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:25:00am

re: #934 Pianobuff

Don't know if you noticed, but the article I linked to earlier was by Lomborg as well.

Johnson wrote No. 923. Who's Lomborg?

954 legalpad  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:25:19am

re: #946 yma o hyd

Welsh women do, indeed!

:-)))

It would seem so.

955 SurferDoc  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:25:37am

re: #935 jaunte

Keeping her options open.

Lying her ass off to get confirmed.

956 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:25:40am

Open Note to RealWest:
===
Last night I was on for a few minutes and Callahan said you got some bad news. I'm thinking of you, Brother. And hundreds of others on this board are doing the same. Be strong, have faith, and know that a helluva lot of people are rooting for you.

957 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:26:00am

re: #950 jcm

My mom had colon cancer, that got put into remission for a few years. But it came back this time metastasized to the bones of the spine. We shopped around for a physician who would be willing to "really" treat the pain. We found one and she was able to remain fairly comfortable right up until the end.

If you want to get a glimpse look into the effects of Federal regulations on drugs for pain management. To more often doctors are unwilling to prescribe the dosage a terminal patient needs to remain comfortable because of the various agency that will come sniffing around when a doctor prescribes high dosages and / or volumes of the meds.

JCM - sorry about your mom. My mom's condition took her so quickly after diagnosis, we had no time to "shop around". We had an appt. for her with a cancer specialist in Baton Rouge, but she died before we could get her here.

958 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:26:23am

re: #951 reine.de.tout

This particular doc was (is) a quack.
She had been having symptoms for 6 months, and he was treating her for acid reflux. You would think if nothing was working after a few weeks, he would have ordered more tests, and if he had, he would have found the cancer much earlier. It was a doc at a walk-in clinic that finally found the cancer - she had gone to the clinic for the extreme pain she was in.

The doc woudn't even admit her to the hospital, until the day before she died. There was a cancer treatment center in the town where she lived; she never once saw the inside of it. I suspect they would have known how to treat her. It was a mess; and she was going downhill so quickly, and it was Christmas and everybody was off on holiday - I still have a lot of anger at that doc.

{reine}
I would sic a lawyer on his ass. That is absolutely unconscionable.

959 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:26:29am

re: #953 MandyManners

Johnson wrote No. 923. Who's Lomborg?

The author cited in this section of your post...

Holdren reacts to correction the way a rattlesnake reacts to sudden movement: with velocity and venom. As long ago as the early 1970s, he and Paul Ehrlich engaged in a campaign to silence fellow radical Barry Commoner, a onetime fringe presidential candidate, because the latter viewed technology as more damaging than overpopulation. More recently, he co-authored a scathing, 11-page attack against Bjorn Lomborg for having the temerity to question Green-Left orthodoxy. Yet that pales in comparison to his view of some global warming "deniers."

960 avanti  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:26:33am

re: #921 jcm

Clueless on the bench.

Sotomayor on Whether Citizens Have a Right to Self Defense - "I don't know"

You must not have listened to her testimony, she had a long explanation about why the law does not say a flat yes or no and used a example.
If you felt threatened in one place, left and went home and got a gun and came back, the self defense argument might not hold. Please read the transcript..

961 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:27:24am

Sigh . . .Just perusing the NYT support piece for rationing health care. Sad enough as it was, I got more depressed when I saw who wrote it: Peter Singer.

I was subjected to his tripe in college when I had to read his book "Animal Liberation.:

Synopsis: People are bad and should treat animals with parity.

The book is replete with his Utilitarian-leaning musings. No wonder the NYT tapped him to write their hit piece.

962 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:27:27am

re: #943 FrogMarch

Wow. What a horrible pick.

Sotomayor:

Generally, as I understand, most criminal law statutes are passed by states. And I'm also trying to think if there's any federal law that includes a self-defense provision or not. I just can't.

What I was attempting to explain is that the issue of self- defense is usually defined in criminal statutes by the state's laws. And I would think, although I haven't studied the -- all of the state's laws, I'm intimately familiar with New York.


The criminal statues belong to the states. A RIGHT is not a criminal statute.

The Right to Self Defense is so fundamental in common law and in the founders writings on the 2nd, and has been for so long...

Friggin' clueless.

963 albusteve  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:28:09am

re: #945 avanti

Just so you understand the headline:

1. The tax is just a house proposal, not even passed legislation.
2. It's a 45% tax on income monies over $1,000,000 year and well lower then some previous high bracket rates as high as 91%.
3. The 58% rate quotes is the "proposed federal tax and the NYC millionaire tax.

you posted this last night...forget previous rates or whether it's passed or not...do you support the tax?

964 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:28:15am

re: #941 doppelganglander

Unbelievable. Doctors are much too reluctant to give adequate pain relief. What did he think, she was going to become a morphine addict? A dear friend of my family spent years in intractable pain due to a neck and back injury, and she never could get the painkillers she needed.

This is really bad - and I'm so sorry about your Mom, {reine}!

I am pretty convinced that this is a gender-based bias, because 'wimmin' are regarded as hysterical by the medical profession, and also as being much better able to cope with pain.

But generally, palliative care and pain medicine are not well supported by doctors whatever the gender.
It is truly despicable.

965 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:28:55am

re: #959 Pianobuff

The author cited in this section of your post...

Holdren reacts to correction the way a rattlesnake reacts to sudden movement: with velocity and venom. As long ago as the early 1970s, he and Paul Ehrlich engaged in a campaign to silence fellow radical Barry Commoner, a onetime fringe presidential candidate, because the latter viewed technology as more damaging than overpopulation. More recently, he co-authored a scathing, 11-page attack against Bjorn Lomborg for having the temerity to question Green-Left orthodoxy. Yet that pales in comparison to his view of some global warming "deniers."

Well, duh. I sometimes read too fast.

Would you please tell me which post it was in?

966 albusteve  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:29:54am

re: #955 SurferDoc

Lying her ass off to get confirmed.

of course...it's just naive to assume otherwise...her past 'non activist' record means nothing

967 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:30:08am

re: #941 doppelganglander

Unbelievable. Doctors are much too reluctant to give adequate pain relief. What did he think, she was going to become a morphine addict? A dear friend of my family spent years in intractable pain due to a neck and back injury, and she never could get the painkillers she needed.

My parents both died of cancer within one year of each other. Early 90s. Both were given morphine until the end. My mother would ask us if we saw "the spiders on the wall." She would point them out to us. Nothing there, of course. But she was pain free.

968 wintercat  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:30:19am

I think I fully understand the headline. The irony I see is Obama's quote. Obama, a man who has risen to power by handing out free lunches, admonishes those of us who are working and earning income. He is wagging his finger at us "Americans" who feel that they should keep what they have fracking well worked their a$$es to earn.

And in case I need to be clear, I think that tax rate is absolutely outrageous -- even if it does not impact me directly -- even if it just hits the rich.

969 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:30:23am

re: #941 doppelganglander

Unbelievable. Doctors are much too reluctant to give adequate pain relief. What did he think, she was going to become a morphine addict? A dear friend of my family spent years in intractable pain due to a neck and back injury, and she never could get the painkillers she needed.

Just wait until Vicodin and Percocet are banned. We will all be sent to "pain management clinics" to learn yoga techniques.

970 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:30:31am

re: #960 avanti

You must not have listened to her testimony, she had a long explanation about why the law does not say a flat yes or no and used a example.
If you felt threatened in one place, left and went home and got a gun and came back, the self defense argument might not hold. Please read the transcript..

JCM schools your ass in No. 962.

971 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:31:56am

re: #921 jcm

Clueless on the bench.

Sotomayor on Whether Citizens Have a Right to Self Defense - "I don't know"

How can that be? She is such a wise Latina.

/

972 albusteve  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:32:26am

re: #960 avanti

You must not have listened to her testimony, she had a long explanation about why the law does not say a flat yes or no and used a example.
If you felt threatened in one place, left and went home and got a gun and came back, the self defense argument might not hold. Please read the transcript..

lib speak...it's a yes or know question, not one of interpreting the law

973 legalpad  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:32:46am

re: #951 reine.de.tout

This particular doc was (is) a quack.
She had been having symptoms for 6 months, and he was treating her for acid reflux. You would think if nothing was working after a few weeks, he would have ordered more tests, and if he had, he would have found the cancer much earlier. It was a doc at a walk-in clinic that finally found the cancer - she had gone to the clinic for the extreme pain she was in.

The doc woudn't even admit her to the hospital, until the day before she died. There was a cancer treatment center in the town where she lived; she never once saw the inside of it. I suspect they would have known how to treat her. It was a mess; and she was going downhill so quickly, and it was Christmas and everybody was off on holiday - I still have a lot of anger at that doc.

My step-Father used the same doctor-friend for years. He wasn't really on top of things with diagnosis. I went in with a pain in my ribs, he wanted to do "exploratory surgery". I told him that I though that was premature. My brother-in-law, a doctor and a runner, identified it as a sports-related injury (too many push-ups too fast) and recommended aspirin. It worked. The pain never returned. The doctor diagnosed cancer too late in my step-father and he went down pretty quick.

Doctor-shop. Don't tell them about whether you've seen another one or they will call and find out what they diagnosed.

974 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:33:29am

re: #960 avanti

You must not have listened to her testimony, she had a long explanation about why the law does not say a flat yes or no and used a example.
If you felt threatened in one place, left and went home and got a gun and came back, the self defense argument might not hold. Please read the transcript..

She fucking clueless here answer was utter fucking bullshit.

Self defense is a fundamental RIGHT, she didn't get that basic fundamental concept, she confused RIGHT with criminal proceedings. The Right to Self defense is a common law question and she FAILED. She is confusing the parameters of when self defense can be used which is covered by state statutes, with the basic right. The question was very simple, is there a right to self defense.

She also is clueless on other key concepts.
eminent -- imminent
providence -- province
story of knowledge -- store of knowledge

975 ladycatnip  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:33:38am

#826 sattv4u2

Yep, I remember the milk being delivered, the glass bottles, and the wonderful aroma of the Helm's Bakery truck with fresh chocolate donuts. That was a treat. Also remember hanging clothes to dry outside - no dryer for us back in the '50's, and walking to school from K-12, rain or shine. If it rained, we took an umbrella - novel idea! The thing about that was ALL the kids walked and there were dozens and dozens of groups of kids out early and after school. Can't remember one kidnapping or any sexual assaults. Times have changed.

976 J.S.  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:33:39am

re: #961 Creeping Eruption

Singer is an advocate of euthanasia (he'd kill the elderly who were sick or debilitated, along with new-born handicapped infants). yeah, that's "ethics" for you...

977 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:33:46am

re: #945 avanti

Just so you understand the headline:

1. The tax is just a house proposal, not even passed legislation.

All the more reason to be aware.


2. It's a 45% tax on income monies over $1,000,000 year and well lower then some previous high bracket rates as high as 91%.

And in the old days, surgeons didn't use anesthesia either.


3. The 58% rate quotes is the "proposed federal tax and the NYC millionaire tax.

Wow... that's a lotta dough. Expect more of the wealthy to leave NYC. Wonder if the reaction on the left will be the same on an exodus of high-income taxpayers as it was when Limbaugh left a while back.

978 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:33:47am

re: #967 midwestgak

My parents both died of cancer within one year of each other. Early 90s. Both were given morphine until the end. My mother would ask us if we saw "the spiders on the wall." She would point them out to us. Nothing there, of course. But she was pain free.

I'm glad your parents got such good care.

979 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:34:03am

re: #968 wintercat

I think I fully understand the headline. The irony I see is Obama's quote. Obama, a man who has risen to power by handing out free lunches, admonishes those of us who are working and earning income. He is wagging his finger at us "Americans" who feel that they should keep what they have fracking well worked their a$$es to earn.

And in case I need to be clear, I think that tax rate is absolutely outrageous -- even if it does not impact me directly -- even if it just hits the rich.

In 2003, look at which dollar amount he says is deserving of a tax cut.

980 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:34:22am

re: #955 SurferDoc

Lying her ass off to get confirmed.

Her record and her testimony are in complete opposition.

981 wintercat  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:34:48am

re: #974 jcm

She fucking clueless here answer was utter fucking bullshit.

I don't think she is clueless. I think she is deliberately evasive and this is just her way of voting present.

982 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:35:13am

re: #965 MandyManners

Well, duh. I sometimes read too fast.

Would you please tell me which post it was in?

At the top of your #923 :)

983 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:35:43am

Fix the economy Obama moron.

984 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:36:42am

re: #982 Pianobuff

At the top of your #923 :)

I meant the number of your post quoting him.

985 Kragar  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:36:52am

re: #976 J.S.

Singer is an advocate of euthanasia (he'd kill the elderly who were sick or debilitated, along with new-born handicapped infants). yeah, that's "ethics" for you...

He keeps using that word "ethics". I do not think it means what he thinks it means.

986 vxbush  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:37:00am

re: #983 Ojoe

Fix the economy Obama moron.

He doesn't know how, nor does he care.

987 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:37:23am

re: #971 Alouette

Fuckin ell man I know right in my core with a certainty put there by God himself that I have a right, nay a duty, to defend myself.

988 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:37:26am

re: #974 jcm

She fucking clueless here answer was utter fucking bullshit.

Self defense is a fundamental RIGHT, she didn't get that basic fundamental concept, she confused RIGHT with criminal proceedings. The Right to Self defense is a common law question and she FAILED. She is confusing the parameters of when self defense can be used which is covered by state statutes, with the basic right. The question was very simple, is there a right to self defense.

She also is clueless on other key concepts.
eminent -- imminent
providence -- province
story of knowledge -- store of knowledge

and ...
Sotomayor's Misstatement of Kelo:

Sotomayor Shocker: She's Not Too Big on the Second Amendment

989 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:37:31am

re: #984 MandyManners

I meant the number of your post quoting him.

My #832 was written by Lomborg.

990 Kragar  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:37:43am

re: #983 Ojoe

Fix the economy Obama moron.

He thinks fix means neutered.

991 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:37:46am

re: #985 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

He keeps using that word "ethics". I do not think it means what he thinks it means.

Inconceivable.

992 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:38:11am

re: #921 jcm

Clueless on the bench.

Sotomayor on Whether Citizens Have a Right to Self Defense - "I don't know"

isn't it absurd when a learned, over "educated" person is too befuddled w/ intellectual nuance to answer such a simple question.
a friend of mine told me abt. a case of self defense he witnessed last wk. 4 gay guys were walking down the street. they were confronted by a pack of drunken aggressive thugs who started off yelling slurs and threats. the gays tried to get passed them, one was on the verge of tears, crying, "i can't believe this is happening to us." he was terrified. finally they managed to walk thru the thugs and actually avoid a confrontation. at that point one of the drunks yelled something so offensive, one of the gay guys stopped in his tracks, turned around and said, "that's it, you think you can take ME?' he proceeded to pull off his sweater and there he stood in all his ripped muscularity. the ring leader of the thugs charged him. the gay adonis simple stepped aside, tripped the slob, punched him in the ribs and then threw him head first into the side of a building. down went the bully. slumping, blood pouring from the gash on his stupid head. the gay guy turned to the other assholes and asked if they wanted any of what he was hauling (so to speak). they stood there mouths agape.
the gay guy calmly put his sweater back on and they all walked off merrily.
when the thugs got their idiot up of the sidewalk, someone yelled the cops are coming. they tried to hurry away, cursing the "queers" and "fags".
my friend laughed and yelled, " buddy, you just got your ass kicked by a "fag".
LOL
that obnoxious jerk will never be able to live that down.

993 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:38:24am

re: #983 Ojoe

Fix the economy Obama moron.

He is "fixing" the economy. Creating the conditions for the most massive expansion of statism in our history.

994 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:38:37am

re: #969 Alouette

Just wait until Vicodin and Percocet are banned. We will all be sent to "pain management clinics" to learn yoga techniques.

Too expensive for O-Care...plus, the waiting list would be months. They will issue you a bullet. You can either bite it to deal with the pain, or use it for it's designed purpose and save all of us taxpayers money, your choice. Welcome to National Health.

995 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:39:02am

re: #983 Ojoe

Fix Tax the economy Obama moron.

/Reality.

996 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:39:34am

Iran Simmers, America Moves On
Hillary says it's time to engage Mahmoud.

That didn't take long. President Obama last week gave Mahmoud Ahmadinejad an autumn deadline to negotiate over Iran's nuclear program. "We remain ready to engage with Iran, but the time for action is now," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said yesterday in a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations. So much for waiting to see how Iran's post-election drama plays out.

Premature would be a generous description of this diplomatic outreach. Leave aside that this regime can't be trusted to negotiate anything. More immediately relevant is that millions of Iranians refuse to accept the "leaders" of the "Islamic Republic" (in Mrs. Clinton's words) that the Administration so eagerly aims to engage.

...Even with his control over so many levers of power, Mr. Ahmadinejad can't seem to get traction for a second term. The so-called Green Revolution hardly looks to be over. Which raises a quandary: Why is Washington rushing to confer U.S. and international prestige on a regime that doesn't enjoy legitimacy among its own people?

997 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:40:00am

re: #976 J.S.

Singer is an advocate of euthanasia (he'd kill the elderly who were sick or debilitated, along with new-born handicapped infants). yeah, that's "ethics" for you...

You mean euthanasia for humans. For other animals, I believe it is a spare no expense kind of thing. Those animals were oppressed.

998 aggieann  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:40:36am

re: #985 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

He keeps using that word "ethics". I do not think it means what he thinks it means.

Oh, but it does. Ethics are situational. Morals are not.

999 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:41:04am

re: #989 Pianobuff

My #832 was written by Lomborg.

THANKS!

1000 albusteve  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:41:11am

re: #994 Desert Dog

Too expensive for O-Care...plus, the waiting list would be months. They will issue you a bullet. You can either bite it to deal with the pain, or use it for it's designed purpose and save all of us taxpayers money, your choice. Welcome to National Health.

a govt issue one time zip gun...

1001 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:42:02am

re: #961 Creeping Eruption

Sigh . . .Just perusing the NYT support piece for rationing health care. Sad enough as it was, I got more depressed when I saw who wrote it: Peter Singer.

I was subjected to his tripe in college when I had to read his book "Animal Liberation.:

Synopsis: People are bad and should treat animals with parity.

The book is replete with his Utilitarian-leaning musings. No wonder the NYT tapped him to write their hit piece.

had to comment on this though I'm busy--

It's Peter Singer. Your synopsis of 'animal liberation' is grossly unfair.

I do not support all of Singer's conclusions by any means--and it's silly that you think it's an indictment of AL to say it is 'replete with utilitarianism"- Singer IS a ultilitarian. If you have a problem, it'd be better to present us with an indictment of his version of utilitarianism.

BTW, I consider his NYT OpEd to be flawed, but don't imagine that the NYT 'tapped him' to write a 'hitpiece'.

he wrote a piece in keeping with his other beliefs--which, by the way, include infant euthanasia.

this is not a piece that makes Obama look good, or that supports Obama care, or that will make people support Obama care.

It's a piece by one of the pre-eminent ethicists in the world which is provoking. That's why the NYT printed it.

PS jcm addressed this too upthread.

1002 wintercat  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:42:47am

re: #979 MandyManners

In 2003, look at which dollar amount he says is deserving of a tax cut.

Words cannot describe how completely stupid I think the voting public was in 2008. And this is just the start folks.

1003 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:43:24am

re: #997 Creeping Eruption

You mean euthanasia for humans. For other animals, I believe it is a spare no expense kind of thing. Those animals were oppressed.

Then you REALLY didn't read or understand Singer's Animal Liberation.

1004 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:43:35am

Iranian nuclear chief 'resigns'


The long-serving head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organisation, Gholam Reza Aghazadeh, has resigned, according to the ISNA news agency.

The report said the nuclear chief had submitted a letter of resignation to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad nearly three weeks ago.

It was not immediately clear what triggered the resignation.

1005 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:44:03am

re: #989 Pianobuff

My #832 was written by Lomborg.

Oh, how embarassing. I up-dinged you when I first read that post yet I couldn't remember the author's name.

I blame having too much caffeine.

1006 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:44:36am

re: #1005 MandyManners

Oh, how embarassing. I up-dinged you when I first read that post yet I couldn't remember the author's name.

I blame having too much caffeine.

Have some coffee and you'll feel better...

1007 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:44:48am

Sears Tower renamed. Willis Tower. It's official. Now the Chicago children's choir is singing a song I never heard before. But the message is basically, Let's all get along. Blah. Goodbye Sears Tower.

This change gives me the Willis.

1008 avanti  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:44:59am

re: #974 jcm

She fucking clueless here answer was utter fucking bullshit.

Self defense is a fundamental RIGHT, she didn't get that basic fundamental concept, she confused RIGHT with criminal proceedings. The Right to Self defense is a common law question and she FAILED. She is confusing the parameters of when self defense can be used which is covered by state statutes, with the basic right. The question was very simple, is there a right to self defense.

She also is clueless on other key concepts.
eminent -- imminent
providence -- province
story of knowledge -- store of knowledge

If you think that right is fundamental in all cases and is spelled out in the constitution, her answer was wrong. .

1009 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:46:55am
1010 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:47:00am

re: #1003 iceweasel

Then you REALLY didn't read or understand Singer's Animal Liberation.

I didn't read the book and don't know about the "understanding" part -
but he said he read the book. Is there any reason for you to essentially call him a liar?

1011 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:47:16am

Gotta do some stuff.

BBL

1012 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:48:40am

re: #1002 wintercat

Jane and Joe Sixpack might not have had as much access to the Internet as we did.

1013 justabill  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:49:21am

re: #993 jcm

He is "fixing" the economy. Creating the conditions for the most massive expansion of statism in our history.

Yep, hes going to fix the economy the same way a vet fixes a dog.

1014 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:49:38am

re: #1006 Pianobuff

Have some coffee and you'll feel better...

No more for me! I have a slight ringing in my ears.

1015 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:49:40am

re: #1003 iceweasel

Then you REALLY didn't read or understand Singer's Animal Liberation.

Because people here never tend toward hyperbole. . .

Perhaps a sarc. tag would have been appropriate.

As for Singer and AL. Didn't like it the first time I read it and am sure not going to take the time to try now. Closed minded? Perhaps, but in the long time since I have been out of college, today is the first time I have thought about Peter Singer, Animal Liberation and Utilitarianism - barring a few off-hand conversations about Jeremy Bentham, although no philosopher I be.

I surly am not in a position to promote an alternative view to Singers brand of utilitarianism, nor engage you regarding the minutiae of the same.

I found his article disturbing to say the least and made my opinions known.

You seem geared up for a good fight, and I wish I could accommodate, but I just don't have it in me. Sorry.

1016 saberry0530  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:49:46am

re: #1005 MandyManners

Oh, how embarassing. I up-dinged you when I first read that post yet I couldn't remember the author's name.

I blame having too much caffeine.

There is no such thing, just a system that hasn't properly adjusted.

1017 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:51:05am

re: #1001 iceweasel

It's a piece by one of the pre-eminent ethicists...

'
Who advocates murder.
It's not "utilitarian" it's murder.
Murder of those deemed as less worthwhile by others.

Where has that been tried before?

Evil passing as ethics.

*spit*

1018 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:51:22am

re: #1007 midwestgak

I wouldn't mind if they called it the Bob Wills Tower. :)

1019 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:52:38am

re: #1017 jcm

'
Who advocates murder.
It's not "utilitarian" it's murder.
Murder of those deemed as less worthwhile by others.

Where has that been tried before?

Evil passing as ethics.

*spit*

I guess its "ethical" as long as you are not on the business end of the knife.

1020 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:53:25am

re: #1010 reine.de.tout

I didn't read the book and don't know about the "understanding" part -
but he said he read the book. Is there any reason for you to essentially call him a liar?

I didn't call him a 'liar'.

i pointed out that he either didn't read it, read it sloppily, or read it and misunderstood it.

If anyone has read it, then they'd understand why I said that: because it's ridiculous to dismiss the book merely for being "filled with utilitarianism", given that it's written by a utilitarian.

Also, his statements that the book values animal life over human life are factually false.

1021 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:54:41am

re: #1008 avanti

If you think that right is fundamental in all cases and is spelled out in the constitution, her answer was wrong. .

The question was.

Is there a Right to self defense?

She was not asked about the parameters of the exercise of the right.

1022 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:56:28am

re: #1001 iceweasel

I plodded throught that entire article. I wish I had the time back. I believe that he has his conclusions all wrong. He's looking at one aspect of health care and not the whole assembly. It's not better then payer use, and payer use does have it's problems. I wonder what his experiences were in Australia, and if he had private medical coverage.

1023 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:56:49am

re: #1015 Creeping Eruption

I found his article disturbing to say the least and made my opinions known.

Fair enough! I can agree with you on that; as mentioned, I don't agree with them either.

But let's not pretend that the NYT solicited this article or that the article helps Obama care.

BTW: Yes, I probably do know more about this issue than most; please forgive me for being pedantic about it. We do agree on finding the editorial distasteful and Singer's conclusions objectionable.

1024 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:57:55am

re: #1017 jcm

'
Who advocates murder.
It's not "utilitarian" it's murder.
Murder of those deemed as less worthwhile by others.

Where has that been tried before?

Evil passing as ethics.

*spit*

Sorry. Singer isn't a nazi.

1025 avanti  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 8:59:23am

re: #1021 jcm

The question was.

Is there a Right to self defense?

She was not asked about the parameters of the exercise of the right.


"Coburn also asked about Sotomayor’s views on the Second Amendment, going beyond her work on the court to question whether she believes there’s a constitutional right to self-defense.
Sotomayor said self-defense is typically defined by state laws and she couldn’t think of a specific Supreme Court case or federal law that defined self-defense."

1026 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:00:13am

re: #1020 iceweasel

I didn't call him a 'liar'.

i pointed out that he either didn't read it, read it sloppily, or read it and misunderstood it.

If anyone has read it, then they'd understand why I said that: because it's ridiculous to dismiss the book merely for being "filled with utilitarianism", given that it's written by a utilitarian.

Also, his statements that the book values animal life over human life are factually false.

Not ridiculous at all, especially for those here that may not know much about the book or the author. I don't understand your reasoning here at all.

1027 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:02:18am

re: #1022 BlueCanuck

I plodded throught that entire article. I wish I had the time back. I believe that he has his conclusions all wrong. He's looking at one aspect of health care and not the whole assembly. It's not better then payer use, and payer use does have it's problems. .

BTW-- I agree with you about the article and his conclusions.

I wonder what his experiences were in Australia, and if he had private medical coverage

he was a member of the faculty at princeton for quite a while; he would have had US health care then.

1028 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:02:42am

re: #1024 iceweasel

Sorry. Singer isn't a nazi.

Have you read Singer?

Have tried to follow his logic to justify the murder of people?

And a Ivy league school lets some who openly advocates murder teach ethics.

1029 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:03:32am

re: #1026 Pianobuff

Not ridiculous at all, especially for those here that may not know much about the book or the author. I don't understand your reasoning here at all.

My reasoning is that I've read the book and know quite a bit about the author and his other work.

1030 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:04:11am

re: #1028 jcm

Have you read Singer?

Have tried to follow his logic to justify the murder of people?

And a Ivy league school lets some who openly advocates murder teach ethics.

You bet I have read him.

1031 Rancher  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:05:49am

VDH at NRO:

You don’t produce wool by skinning the sheep. But that seems to be the present strategy to get small businesses to begin hiring, buying, and expanding.


Don't expect unemployment to improve anytime soon.

1032 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:06:33am

re: #785 Kenneth

post link please!

Sorry did not find an english one yet.

1033 Rancher  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:07:00am

re: #865 MandyManners

Holdren has said that he could see his way to prosecuting executives at oil companies being prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

Do you have a link with that?

1034 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:10:02am

re: #1027 iceweasel

Sorry, I thought that he spent some time in Australia. Head's getting a little bogged down with information. Might have been another article I read earlier. Even then if he was at Princeton he didn't have healthcare. He probably had a University sponsered group insurance plan which is totally different.

1035 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:10:32am

re: #1023 iceweasel

Fair enough! I can agree with you on that; as mentioned, I don't agree with them either.

But let's not pretend that the NYT solicited this article or that the article helps Obama care.

BTW: Yes, I probably do know more about this issue than most; please forgive me for being pedantic about it. We do agree on finding the editorial distasteful and Singer's conclusions objectionable.

I love being able to argue without it getting personal. Next time we cross paths, I will be sure to arm myself properly for the fight.

1036 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:11:41am

re: #1034 BlueCanuck

Sorry, I thought that he spent some time in Australia. Head's getting a little bogged down with information. Might have been another article I read earlier. Even then if he was at Princeton he didn't have healthcare. He probably had a University sponsered group insurance plan which is totally different.

He is Australian

1037 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:14:44am

Today 40 years since Apollo 11 lift of!

1038 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:18:40am

re: #921 jcm

Clueless on the bench.

Sotomayor on Whether Citizens Have a Right to Self Defense - "I don't know"

Too late. The GOP spent the entire first half of the week masturbating over her "wise Latina" comment, and made themselves look like a bunch of squawking doofuses in the process. Anything they say now, no matter how pointed it may actually be, is tainted by their earlier stupidity and fixation on a non-issue. They could bring forward evidence that Sotomayor was an illegal alien drug lord covering up scores of past murders of innocent children, and it would now be lost in the noise of, "Oh, there go those naysayers again, trying to spin a molehill into a mountain."

It's a wonder anyone in the GOP is able to walk, what with all those open bullet wounds in their feet.

1039 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 9:29:24am

re: #1035 Creeping Eruption

I love being able to argue without it getting personal. Next time we cross paths, I will be sure to arm myself properly for the fight.

ditto, CE. Nothing personal at all here; it does happen to be an issue where I'm better armed than most would be. :)

BTW, I've no doubt that you'll kick my butt on other topics!

(Person who mentioned he was only at princeton for a while-- yes, but I assure you he and his family experienced american health care. And I didn't think his conclusions in the NYT piece were right to begin with, btw)

1040 jvic  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 10:48:53am

re: #961 Creeping Eruption

re: #1001 iceweasel

I do not support all of Singer's conclusions by any means--and it's silly that you think it's an indictment of AL to say it is 'replete with utilitarianism"- Singer IS a ultilitarian. If you have a problem, it'd be better to present us with an indictment of his version of utilitarianism.

Iirc C.S. Lewis has written that there is no such thing as aggregate suffering, e.g. two people with painful hangnails does not mean there is twice as much pain as one person with a painful hangnail. I'd be surprised if the argument were original with him.

While I haven't read Singer, my feeling is that his utilitarianism, e.g. minimizing suffering, is not so much wrong as it is incomplete or uncompelling. I don't consider it a 'self-evident truth'. Since I have reservations about Singer's axioms, I have reservations about his conclusions.

re: #1015 Creeping Eruption

...I surly am not in a position to promote an alternative view to Singers brand of utilitarianism, nor engage you regarding the minutiae of the same...

Pun or Freudian slip or mistake, that typo is worth an upding!

1041 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 10:50:51am

re: #1040 jvic

re: #1001 iceweasel

Pun or Freudian slip or mistake, that typo is worth an upding!

Thanks for the ding. It was a mistake. Once I saw it though, I decided not to correct it. 1/2 pun?

1042 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:42:00am

re: #1040 jvic

irc C.S. Lewis has written that there is no such thing as aggregate suffering, e.g. two people with painful hangnails does not mean there is twice as much pain as one person with a painful hangnail. I'd be surprised if the argument were original with him.

While I haven't read Singer, my feeling is that his utilitarianism, e.g. minimizing suffering, is not so much wrong as it is incomplete or uncompelling. I don't consider it a 'self-evident truth'. Since I have reservations about Singer's axioms, I have reservations about his conclusions.

Aha! but aren't you clever! :)


1) You're right about uilitarianism, in general.

2) you happen to be right about singer, in particular.

3) Since I'm a pedant, you don't get many points for either. since you haven't read Singer, don't know much about his particular version of utilitarianism, or how he reached his conclusions.

4) You do get points for honesty and for being clever.

5) (but this should be number 1) : You mention that neither pleasure not pain can be aggregated. That's even now the major objection to util. I'm super impressed.

(i read this over and it sounds v cold; it's intended to be v warm, effusive, and give you kudos!)

1043 Ms. MacIceweasel  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:58:35am

re: #536 jvic

So that's where 'Each man kills...' comes from. Thx. [Morning, Ice! Have a good day.]

I grant that Wilde is a master of the short forms of wit. One of the very best at what he does best. Here, he's run head-on into the Peter Principle.

That passage seems really profound and I nodded appreciatively while reading...until I asked myself what it means.

I was moved to look up 'The Ballad of Reading Gaol'. After skimming it, I have no interest in reading it seriously.

In fact, as I age, I am increasingly unreceptive to strained inventiveness. When I turn on the car radio and hear Beethoven's heaven-storming symphonic genius, I am liable to snarl "Shaddup, you pretentious ass" and change the channel.

Maybe I need a stronger cup of tea this morning...

Hey jvic!

I'd agree with you that the Ballad of Reading gaol isn't very serious or very worthwhile-- nor is most of Wilde's poetry for that matter (perhaps all of it?). I was moved to make the joke and allusion b/c of the earlier post by fenway. :)

I *would* recommend De Profundis, the other work Wilde wrote whilst at Reading Gaol. It probably isn't going to hit home unless one knows the circumstances, though. It's more of value for being a document of the time and circumstance.

But of course Picture of Dorian Grey-- that's eternal.

cheers, ice

1044 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:28:49am

re: #827 yma o hyd

Hiya, {Lizard Nation}!

Sorry to have been AWOL ...

Anything really Lizardia-shaking happened while I was away?
Do tell!

Good to see you, {yma}...hope all is well with you.


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