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If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.

Thomas Jefferson

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1 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:17:03pm

A strong republic depends upon a well informed citizenry.

We're boned.

2 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:17:07pm

Hear ye Hear ye! I declare tonight's LNDT officially open!

3 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:19:47pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

OMG! Did u heer taht Mikull jaxxon wuz addikktid 2 paynekillurz?

/

4 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:20:23pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

A strong republic depends upon a well informed citizenry.

We're boned.

Rotating title nomination.

5 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:22:30pm

NASA Marks Apollo 11 Anniversary With Restored Video Footage

To commemorate the anniversary, NASA released newly restored video footage of the Apollo 11 moon landing


NASA Apollo 11 Partial Restoration HD Videos

6 pat  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:22:56pm

So the first 8 Amendments are not fundamental rights after all. First Kelo.Now the Second Amendment. Maybe we should find a translator of English to English to tell us what it actually says? Sotomayor should be perfect. Her ignorance of the document will allow a fresh look.

7 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:23:11pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

A strong republic depends upon a well informed citizenry.

We're boned.

Quiet! There's a Michael Jackson retrospective on!

8 Athos  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:23:11pm

re: #2 Fenway_Nation

Hear ye Hear ye! I declare tonight's LNDT officially open!

About time - I've been nursing this Bushmills for at least 5 minutes...

9 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:23:58pm

re: #3 Fenway_Nation

OMG! Did u heer taht Mikull jaxxon wuz addikktid 2 paynekillurz?

/

OMGWTFLOLBBQ!

10 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:24:18pm

re: #8 Athos

About time - I've been nursing this Bushmills for at least 5 minutes...

when do yo start on the next bottle?

11 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:24:28pm

re: #6 pat

So the first 8 Amendments are not fundamental rights after all. First Kelo.Now the Second Amendment. Maybe we should find a translator of English to English to tell us what it actually says? Sotomayor should be perfect. Her ignorance of the document will allow a fresh look.

You! Rights are what we say they are!

/ evil two party money oligarchy.

12 Athos  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:24:49pm

re: #6 pat

So the first 8 Amendments are not fundamental rights after all. First Kelo.Now the Second Amendment. Maybe we should find a translator of English to English to tell us what it actually says? Sotomayor should be perfect. Her ignorance of the document will allow a fresh look.

No, according to Sottomayor, some of the 1st 8 are fundamental, the 1st, 4th, and 5th...but not the others. Of course, the amendment beyond the 2nd that has to send her over the top has to be the 14th.

13 Athos  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:25:48pm

re: #10 redc1c4

Have a little time / and a few drams left in this one...

14 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:26:32pm

re: #9 redc1c4

OMGWTFLOLBBQ!

Okay, had to look that up.

ROLFMAO!

15 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:29:48pm

re: #12 Athos

No, according to Sottomayor, some of the 1st 8 are fundamental, the 1st, 4th, and 5th...but not the others. Of course, the amendment beyond the 2nd that has to send her over the top has to be the 14th.

i'm a firm believer in the Basic Rights of Man...

thank goodness they taught BRM at Harmony Church when i went to school there.

/Hotel Program

16 Athos  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:29:49pm

Gizmodo is doing a retrospective on technology of 30 years ago...does anyone else from the NYC / NE area of that time remember - - -

Crazy Eddie?

17 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:31:06pm

Now
Let my people go, land of Goshen
Go
I will be with thee, bush of fire
Blood
Running red and strong down the Nile
Plague
Darkness three days long, hail to fire

Creeping Death

18 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:32:13pm

re: #16 Athos

Gizmodo is doing a retrospective on technology of 30 years ago...does anyone else from the NYC / NE area of that time remember - - -

Crazy Eddie?

Cal Worthington and his dog Spot.

19 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:33:11pm

The first thing a man will do for his ideals is lie.

-J.A. Schumpeter

20 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:33:12pm

anything less...it wouldn't be overnight

21 Athos  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:34:39pm

re: #18 jcm

That dude is still doing commercials - I saw one on Fox 11 LA last week...he's just not quite the same as the old days.

22 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:35:49pm

re: #21 Athos

That dude is still doing commercials - I saw one on Fox 11 LA last week...he's just not quite the same as the old days.

He pulled out of Washington years ago, didn't know he's was still around.

23 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:35:59pm

The one that jumped out at me yesterday was when she was describing her ruling in the baseball strike case, and she referred to the “National Labor Relationships Board” — which I would have guessed to be an online dating service for union members.

However, I hasten to add — in a Seinfeldian “not that there’s anything wrong with that” mode — that someone whose native language was not English can easily be forgiven many such small burrs and thorns and blemishes. I was probably more irritated when Sen. Graham repeatedly referred to Judge Sotomayor’s “wise Latino” remark, and Judge Sotomayor’s English is many orders of magnitude better than my own rudimentary Spanish. The “eminent/imminent” distinction, at least in spoken English, is more subtle than “pen/pin,” and I wouldn’t have noticed it.
why i'm no longer worried about La Gran Pendeja:

In any event, these language quirks are no reason for a senator to vote against her, nor for us to mock Obama for nominating her. And she is going to be confirmed. At this point, I’m entirely satisfied with that result. Watching Judge Sotomayor testify — and comparing her with, for example, Chief Justice Roberts in the same setting — confirms my belief that Obama could hardly have nominated a less effective person to be an internal advocate within the Supreme Court’s deliberations for the political points of view he would espouse. The idea that she’s ever going to talk Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, or Alito around to her point of view on anything by virtue of subtle but powerful rational argument is essentially nil. The likelihood of her doing so with Kennedy is fractionally larger, but barely that — and appointing someone who could have done that (e.g., Cass Sunstein or someone else whose intellectual approval Kennedy might have craved) was the greatest opportunity for Obama in this appointment, an opportunity that he clearly has missed.

Beldar on Patterico.com

24 Cheechako  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:36:21pm

re: #21 Athos


Cal also has a dealership in Anchorage, AK and still does the commercials.

25 zombie  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:38:21pm

Did I miss anything? I stepped away from the computer for the last 6 hours, but now I'm afraid to look at the IntraWebs, lest I discover I'm Public Enemy #1, or, worse, some lunatic has claimed authorship of my stuff.

Can I just drop the whole "zombie" thing and start over? How about..."mummy" this time? Vampire?

26 jcm  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:38:26pm

Night Honcos.

Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.
James Madison

27 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:39:04pm

re: #24 Cheechako

Cal also has a dealership in Anchorage, AK and still does the commercials.

I'm sorry. I thought it was only us Angelinos that had to put up with that.

28 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:40:40pm

re: #25 zombie

Did I miss anything? I stepped away from the computer for the last 6 hours, but now I'm afraid to look at the IntraWebs, lest I discover I'm Public Enemy #1, or, worse, some lunatic has claimed authorship of my stuff.

Can I just drop the whole "zombie" thing and start over? How about..."mummy" this time? Vampire?

Lizard-man?

29 Athos  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:41:22pm

re: #25 zombie

Did I miss anything? I stepped away from the computer for the last 6 hours, but now I'm afraid to look at the IntraWebs, lest I discover I'm Public Enemy #1, or, worse, some lunatic has claimed authorship of my stuff.

Can I just drop the whole "zombie" thing and start over? How about..."mummy" this time? Vampire?

Sorry, it's that typecasting curse, you know.

You're doomed to be Zombie.

As for the lunatic claiming authorship of your stuff, par for the course on the web today.

30 Cheechako  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:41:27pm

re: #27 Pvt Bin Jammin


Does he still shout at everyone like he does up here?

31 Athos  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:42:45pm

Oh Oh - TCM has Gunga Din on...think I will be online a little longer than planned...

32 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:43:38pm

re: #18 jcm

Cal Worthington and his dog Spot.

[Video]

Ed Barbara

33 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:43:53pm

re: #17 SasquatchOnSteroids

Now
Let my people go, land of Goshen
Go
I will be with thee, bush of fire
Blood
Running red and strong down the Nile
Plague
Darkness three days long, hail to fire

Creeping Death

I fucking LOVED hearing that song live. Top 5 favorite Metallica song.

34 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:44:25pm

re: #25 zombie

Did I miss anything? I stepped away from the computer for the last 6 hours, but now I'm afraid to look at the IntraWebs, lest I discover I'm Public Enemy #1, or, worse, some lunatic has claimed authorship of my stuff.

Can I just drop the whole "zombie" thing and start over? How about..."mummy" this time? Vampire?

do you still love me, mummy?

35 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:44:42pm

re: #30 Cheechako

Does he still shout at everyone like he does up here?

Haven't seen one of his commercials of late but he used to do that. LOL I suppose he's successful but I sure wouldn't buy a car from him. We went to his lot back in the seventies and I didn't feel a bit comfortable & my dad sold new and used cars when I was a kid.

36 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:44:56pm

re: #28 Fenway_Nation

Lizard-man?

Aisha?

37 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:45:41pm

re: #35 Pvt Bin Jammin

Haven't seen one of his commercials of late but he used to do that. LOL I suppose he's successful but I sure wouldn't buy a car from him. We went to his lot back in the seventies and I didn't feel a bit comfortable & my dad sold new and used cars when I was a kid.

i used to repo for him on occasion...

38 Cheechako  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:47:13pm

For my money the worst shouting/yelling car huckster is "Dealin' Doug" in Denver. Whenever Cal comes on I think of Dealin' Doug.

39 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:47:57pm

re: #37 redc1c4

i used to repo for him on occasion...

No kidding? One of my bil's was a repo man while he was in medical school. Cool guy. He became a chief trauma surgeon.

40 Athos  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:48:16pm

Back in a jiff, anyone need their drink refreshed?

41 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:49:40pm

re: #40 Athos

Back in a jiff, anyone need their drink refreshed?

i'll take a Jameson's... preferably the 1.75L size.

/unless you have something bigger, of course. %-)

42 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:50:34pm

well, it was worth the wait:

1 less rat.

woot!

43 freetoken  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:50:43pm

re: #19 Sharmuta

The first thing a man will do for his ideals is lie.

You elicited a thought... on why humans lie, or more specifically the great paradox we have in our belief about lies.

Think of this - why do humans lie? Evolutionarily speaking, it must be of some benefit for all humans have lied (in some manner of speaking) in all our history as recorded. Now, whether humans lied before any form of recording had been invented - that is difficult to tell, but I find it unlikely that "the lie" was invented the same time as cave art and clay figures.

Since animals and plants practice deceit for survival, I propose that it isn't unreasonable to accept that the human lie is just a more evolved form of this survival technique.

If that is true, then the ability to lie is essential to our survival and well being.

Here is where there is a paradox: many ethical systems (especially religions) portray the lie as a great evil, and hold forth the idea that it is both possible and desirable for humans to not lie.

So our ethics tell us one thing... yet our biological nature ensures the opposite (and thus the paradox.)

Humans - we are strange creatures.

44 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:51:43pm

FRUITCUP!

help yourselves, at least until LoL shows up with her stuff...

there's more in the frig, so don't be shy!

hasta, y'all...

L8r!

45 Athos  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:52:39pm

re: #41 redc1c4

Ah, terribly sorry, don't serve anything from the south...just the north. Happy to give you a double pour of Bushmills - neat?

46 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:53:07pm

re: #44 redc1c4

FRUITCUP!

help yourselves, at least until LoL shows up with her stuff...

there's more in the frig, so don't be shy!

hasta, y'all...

L8r!

W00t!

"Weet dreams.

47 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:53:25pm

re: #44 redc1c4

later red

48 mrshankly01  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:54:10pm

re: #45 Athos

Bulleit bourbon?

49 Cheechako  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:54:18pm

I detect the smell of fresh brownies coming from the kitchen so I'm going to be leaving for the night. Stop by if you're hungry, there's always extras (but not for long).

50 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:54:19pm

I'm trying to think of my least favorite used car salesman that I see on TV these days. I can't think of hims name, but he's actually pretty quiet. Supposedly he's eloquent or a good public speaker, but from what I've seen, he stumbles and pauses alot. He tries coming off as your good pal, but it misfires and he seems a tad arrogant or aloof. And when he makes promises (that probably have a short shelf life anyway) he says things like "We Will get it done" which sound more like thinly veiled threats than anything. Don't get me started on his financing plans- he overcharges while making it sound like you're getting the deal of a life time and you're left holding the bag for years to come. He's on TV alot and a bunch of people seem to like him for whatever reason.

Just wish I could remember his name...Barry something?

Oh...wait! It's Barry/Barack Hussein 0bama! That's the name I was thinking of...

51 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:54:43pm

Mainstreaming Fascism

They sell CDs of little girls who sing softly about white pride to a public of pre-adolescents, video games where it is essential to shoot all those who are dark-skinned, and t-shirts with cryptic slogans. They are British, Romanians, French and Swedes. They mistrust the various media and, instead, create their own press agencies to produce and broadcast their information. Gabriele Adinolfi, the co-founder of terza posizione ('third position', Italy) confirms that: 'Today, the only way of being fascist is by being pragmatic.'

Lovely.

52 zombie  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:54:46pm

Here's the transcript of today's Rush Limbaugh show, talking about the Holdren thing.

Is that really the way Rush Limbaugh talks? So bizarre and, well, creepy. I've never actually heard him speak (and I hope to keep things that way), so I'm unfamiliar with his style. Seems -- what's the word -- bombastic? Self-aggrandizing?

53 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:55:05pm

re: #49 Cheechako

Yum. Have a great day tomorrow.

54 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:55:36pm

re: #44 redc1c4

Later, red!

55 Cheechako  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:57:22pm

re: #53 Pvt Bin Jammin


I'm retired...everyday is a weekend and a great day.

56 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:58:46pm

re: #55 Cheechako

I'm retired...everyday is a weekend and a great day.

Good for you! It doesn't look like we're going to be able to retire.

57 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jul 16, 2009 11:59:22pm

re: #51 Sharmuta

Mainstreaming Fascism

Lovely.

Sharm: Creepy, fascinating article. I don't understand the Adinolfi quote in the first paragraph, though. Is he saying ironically, "They call us fascists for being pragmatic"? Or something else?

58 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:00:01am

Today in History, July 17th:

Highlights of this day in history: TWA Flight 800 explodes; Russia's royal family executed; Disneyland opens; Nicaragua's Somoza goes into exile; Apollo and Soyuz link up in space; Baseball's Ty Cobb and jazz great John Coltrane die.

Other notable July 17th events include:

1762 – Catherine II becomes tsar of Russia upon the murder of Peter III of Russia.

1899 – NEC Corporation is organized as the first Japanese joint venture with foreign capital.

1938 – Douglas Corrigan takes off to fly the "wrong way" to Ireland and becomes known as "Wrong Way" Corrigan.

1997 – The F.W. Woolworth Company closes after 117 years in business.

59 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:01:51am

re: #52 zombie

Here's the transcript of today's Rush Limbaugh show, talking about the Holdren thing.

Is that really the way Rush Limbaugh talks? So bizarre and, well, creepy. I've never actually heard him speak (and I hope to keep things that way), so I'm unfamiliar with his style. Seems -- what's the word -- bombastic? Self-aggrandizing?

Also on Becks radio andf TV shows. I also sent a link to a somewhat local guy who is actually has an affiliate in San Fran. None of these guys give the source, but we know who it is. Fuck 'em. And Rush is leagally deaf, IIRC.

60 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:03:18am

re: #58 gmsc

evening G

61 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:03:41am

re: #52 zombie

Limbaugh is kind of pompous. My hubby used to listen but gave up on it for the most part. He still has a huge following, though.

I have to say, he's got a kind heart. When our nephew was killed in a military helicopter crash he gave $100.,000.00, $20,00.00 each, to his five surviving children. I will never forget that.

62 freetoken  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:04:06am

re: #52 zombie

Self-aggrandizing?

Rush Limbaugh self-aggrandizing? Naaahhh...

63 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:04:20am

re: #61 Pvt Bin Jammin

wow.

64 Cheechako  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:04:36am

re: #56 Pvt Bin Jammin


I retired in May last year. Had no expectations on what happened to the economy. Made it through a year and have not had to dip into the reserves. So far, so good. Like everyone else my wife and I are very concerned for the future. I'm expecting hugh inflation coming very soon. The govt cannot spend itself to prosperity

65 blackpajamas  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:04:48am

___ O Surgeon! My Surgeon! ___


O Surgeon! my surgeon! your fearful Bill has come;
Hand delivering every prick, the dose you shoot is numb;
The deal is near, the alarms we hear, the voters all convulsing,
Like waiting sheep with naked coats, the true cost quickly dawning:
But go vote! vote! vote!
To bleed taxpayers 'til dead
Social medicine! Our Surgeon cries,
Swollen Pink and Red.

O Shaman! my Shaman! Raise spirits not tax bills;
Raise up and calm your begging down for expensive thrills;
For sobriquets and Liberal trope will summon carrion crowing;
While Baboons ear-mark their plots with massive feces throwing;
Hear Shaman! Dear leader!
The lump beneath your head;
It is some tumor within your lung,
That makes your coughing bad?

Your Health-plan does not answer, it's lips are pale and still;
The Father Land deals not it's warmly pulsing hope and will;
Another Bill crammed down with speed, a hard stroke up your bum;
From fearful trip, their dirty glove, pulls out with taxes won;
Revolt, O centrists, save your souls!
While we, with crippled tread,
Walk the plank for Health-man's lies,
Carved up, stuffed, and fed.

Tonight's recitation is sponsored by Soylent Gore, It's made from Superior people!

//g'nite!

66 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:05:34am

re: #60 mrshankly01

evening G

Good evening, mrshankly!

Oh, and good evening to the rest of you, as well!

Any Harry Potter fans out there? If so, here's a challenge for you!

You're given 12 names. You have to decide whether they're characters from the Harry Potter books, or the name of a hideous skin disease!

67 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:06:57am

re: #64 Cheechako

I retired in May last year. Had no expectations on what happened to the economy. Made it through a year and have not had to dip into the reserves. So far, so good. Like everyone else my wife and I are very concerned for the future. I'm expecting hugh inflation coming very soon. The govt cannot spend itself to prosperity

Our reserves have pretty much gone into medical co-pays and deductibles but at least my hubby has made it, and reasonably well. Four brain surgeries and a spinal surgery.

68 freetoken  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:07:14am

Speaking of lying, here is none other than James Stewart giving us a theatrical example (yes, someone posted a clip from the rare Jimmy Stewart Show) :


/PS... the clip shows a very young Kate Jackson playing a hot young college babe... just in case Stewart is not enough reason to click!

69 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:07:21am

re: #57 ShanghaiEd

Sharm: Creepy, fascinating article. I don't understand the Adinolfi quote in the first paragraph, though. Is he saying ironically, "They call us fascists for being pragmatic"? Or something else?

I found this part interesting:

Claudio Lazzaro is the author of the documentary Nazirock. 'The extreme right has made itself more straightforward,' he says. 'It takes what it needs and changes it in order to communicate without making it subtle.' Lazzaro advocates dialogue with the extreme right as long as this dialogue 'does not seek to justify their fascist ideas.' He also finds it alarming that 'fascism and neo-fascism are developing in parallel on two fronts, as if it’s about choosing ‘a priori’ (without prior knowledge) more than rational thought and reflection.'

That's what I have concluded too. There's no grasp of the underlying rationality for these positions. As if deeper thinking on political principles is outdated.

70 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:09:27am

re: #69 Sharmuta

That's what I have concluded too. There's no grasp of the underlying rationality for these positions. As if deeper thinking on political principles is outdated.

Updinged and favorited!

71 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:09:32am

re: #66 gmsc

8 out of 12

72 Cheechako  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:09:37am

re: #67 Pvt Bin Jammin


Wow
{{PBJ}}

73 zombie  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:10:03am

re: #61 Pvt Bin Jammin

Limbaugh is kind of pompous. My hubby used to listen but gave up on it for the most part. He still has a huge following, though.

I have to say, he's got a kind heart. When our nephew was killed in a military helicopter crash he gave $100.,000.00, $20,00.00 each, to his five surviving children. I will never forget that.

Wow, that is quite generous.

74 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:10:24am

re: #63 mrshankly01

It was awesome. As I recall, Limbaugh said, in his note, that it was because he had been killed on the same day or the anniversary of his own father's death but I have heard other stories of his generosity to the military guys.

75 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:12:18am

LMFAO...my friend is playing a video game...


[12:10AM] HBK: ...OMG
[12:10AM] HBK: there's a recruit in this random dynasty I'm doing on NCAA Football 2010...he's named JEREMIAH WRIGHT

76 zombie  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:12:42am

Huh. First someone translated my thing into Russian. And now -- it's in French!

"John Holdren, le “monsieur Science” d’Obama"

Hahahaha! I like that so much better than "Science Czar."

Monsieur Science!

77 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:13:59am

re: #74 Pvt Bin Jammin

i have always enjoyed listening to him. he is very condescending, but he is not beck.

78 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:14:08am

The Dems wrote a note to Mark May, honco of Clear Channel, trying to get Rush fired. Rush got the letter, auctioned it off and then matched the amout for fallen Marines,IIRC. It was signed by a shitload of Dems. In the end, it pulled a total of $4.2 million. And then Harry Reid tried to claim credit. Punk ass.

79 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:14:15am

re: #71 mrshankly01

8 out of 12

I only made 7 out of 12! I forgot that Tom Riddle's middle name was Marvolo, and that he was named after Marvolo Gaunt.

80 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:15:22am

re: #79 gmsc

the average is like 75%. pretty good.

81 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:15:45am

re: #72 Cheechako

Thanks. He was a cool young man. A vet of Desert Storm/Desert Shield, Somalia and Burundi. They were doing night exercises right here in California, in preparation for Iraq, when the chopper went down. He was hanging out of the door with the gun. He and the pilot died but two lived. Thank God for that.

re: #73 zombie

It was extremely nice. I really feel that he appreciates the troops to the max.

82 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:16:59am

re: #77 mrshankly01

I actually started listening to him pretty late in his career- immediately after 9/11 when the MSM was exhorting us that Islam was a religion of peace and various pundits urged Americans to 'look at the root causes' behind the attacks.

83 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:17:42am

re: #77 mrshankly01

i have always enjoyed listening to him. he is very condescending, but he is not beck.

No, he's not Beck. Thank God! Rush just does his own thing. I have to say, I listened a few times right before the election & he kinda fired me up.

84 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:18:06am

re: #82 Fenway_Nation

hahaha, the root causes. yea, typical tripe.

85 Athos  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:18:19am

re: #82 Fenway_Nation

I remember his late night TV show...did far better than most radio DJ's on TV.

86 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:19:10am

re: #81 Pvt Bin Jammin

Last fall Rushed ask an upset caller if they'd be happier if he bought them a new car. The caller said, "sure!" So Rush bought them a car. He converted me to conservatism, and I still agree with him on many principles. I disagree with him on things too, but no one can say the man isn't generous beyond the call of duty.

87 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:19:42am

re: #86 Sharmuta

PIMF! Rush asked. Oh well.

88 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:19:44am

re: #83 Pvt Bin Jammin

i listen to him and laura ingraham, and boortz. boortz is my favorite.

89 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:20:21am

re: #85 Athos

I remember some SNL skit from the 90s that had Dan Akroyd as Rush Limbaugh and I think he was challenged to a fight by Howard Stern...except Robyn and all of Stern's hangers-on started fawning over Rush and wanted to be his pal or be on his show...

90 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:20:37am

re: #85 Athos

I remember his late night TV show...did far better than most radio DJ's on TV.

It was a late night show? I always used to watch it at noon on the local station when it was on.

91 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:21:26am

re: #86 Sharmuta

Last fall Rushed ask an upset caller if they'd be happier if he bought them a new car. The caller said, "sure!" So Rush bought them a car. He converted me to conservatism, and I still agree with him on many principles. I disagree with him on things too, but no one can say the man isn't generous beyond the call of duty.

Wow! That's f'n AWESOME!

92 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:21:45am

re: #88 mrshankly01

Laura, Rush, Lars Larsen and sometimes Hugh Hewitt for me...

93 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:21:49am

re: #86 Sharmuta

Last fall Rushed ask an upset caller if they'd be happier if he bought them a new car. The caller said, "sure!" So Rush bought them a car. He converted me to conservatism, and I still agree with him on many principles. I disagree with him on things too, but no one can say the man isn't generous beyond the call of duty.

How cool! My hubby and I agree with him on many issues too, just don't care for his brand of showbiz, shall we say. He's a good guy.

94 Athos  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:22:47am

re: #90 gmsc

It was a late night show? I always used to watch it at noon on the local station when it was on.

I remember it being against Carson in NYC...

95 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:23:25am

re: #94 Athos

re: #90 gmsc

Must've been syndicated...

96 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:23:50am

re: #92 Fenway_Nation

i don't listen to lars much, but I like his lead ins: LARS

97 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:24:27am

Well, lizards, the doggies are hinting that it's past time for me to go upstairs. Good night all and take care.

98 Athos  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:24:41am

re: #92 Fenway_Nation

Laura, Rush, Lars Larsen and sometimes Hugh Hewitt for me...

I am getting to be a fan of Hugh - added his shows to my iTunes / iPhone download to listen. He has some very interesting guests - Steyn is a regular, and VDH is on quite often. He did one show with VDH that was all 3 hours talking about military history / history and what we should learn from it. That was a keeper.

99 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:24:44am

I like Levin.

100 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:25:10am

re: #97 Pvt Bin Jammin

G'nite PB&J!

101 Athos  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:25:11am

re: #97 Pvt Bin Jammin

Nite!

102 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:25:48am

re: #97 Pvt Bin Jammin

night PBJ

103 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:25:57am

re: #93 Pvt Bin Jammin

How cool! My hubby and I agree with him on many issues too, just don't care for his brand of showbiz, shall we say. He's a good guy.

When I still watched TV, I saw an episode of The Apprentice where The Donald was having a nice dinner with all or half the cast- I don't recall. But one of the apprentices piped up and asked Donald if a story they'd heard was true.

The story was Donald's car had broken down in out state NY and a couple passing by offered to help get him back on the road. As a thank you Donald later had the remainder of the mortgage on this couple's house paid off. Was this story true, the apprentice asked?

It was.

104 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:26:17am

re: #97 Pvt Bin Jammin

Well, lizards, the doggies are hinting that it's past time for me to go upstairs. Good night all and take care.

G'Nite, PBJ!

105 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:26:48am

re: #96 mrshankly01

I generally loathe Micheal weiner savage, but I 'discovered' Lars when he was filling in for him a few years back.

106 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:27:49am

re: #105 Fenway_Nation

yea, i hate savage.

107 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:28:46am

re: #103 Sharmuta

Wow!

108 Athos  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:29:26am

re: #106 mrshankly01

yea, i hate savage.

Ditto

109 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:29:37am

I kinda like Dennis Prager too.

G'nite for real this time.

110 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:30:05am

re: #107 Pvt Bin Jammin

Yeah- I thought it was really cool.

111 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:30:29am

re: #106 mrshankly01

I enact my own version of the fairness doctorine when Savage's show is on. For the libs trying to cram some quasi-Fairness Doctorine legislation thru Congress, it's called changing the fucking station!!!

112 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:31:15am

re: #107 Pvt Bin Jammin

Wow!

re: #110 Sharmuta

Yeah- I thought it was really cool.

If you think that's impressive, look up the name "Melvin Dummar".
;)

114 ThingFish  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:32:04am

re: #98 Athos

I pretty much stick to Hugh Hewitt and Dennis Prager. Of course, Dennis started charging for his Podcast, so now it's just Hugh.

115 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:32:58am

re: #111 Fenway_Nation

yea. it sucks when you are traveling and you find a good talker at night and then savage comes on and you know you have to wait three hours to hear someone else.

116 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:32:59am

I would only like Michael Savage because he plays Metallica during his broadcast, apparently.

117 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:33:28am

Completely off-topic, and utterly shallow, but if any of you guys are looking to make points with the women in your lives (or find something nice for yourselves), the Nordstrom Anniversary Sale just launched online, and this is the time to catch a great deal on new fall merchandise over there.

The women all probably know about it already. ; )

(I just bought two handbags and the Vera Wang motorcycle boots I've been coveting, and I'll be there in the morning in person.)

/piglet out.

118 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:36:38am

re: #116 TheMatrix31

Last I heard Savage's show (which was quite by accident, mind you) he was defending Russia's invasion of Georgia.

119 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:38:48am

re: #118 Fenway_Nation

Last I heard Savage's show (which was quite by accident, mind you) he was defending Russia's invasion of Georgia.

What an idiot lol

120 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:39:46am

Mark Steyn makes for a pretty good fill-in for Rush.

121 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:40:46am

re: #120 Fenway_Nation

Mark Steyn makes for a pretty good fill-in for Rush.

Mark Steyn's best work was his suggested campaign slogan for 0bama:

"We live in the greatest nation in the world. I hope you'll join me as we try and change it."

122 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:41:05am

re: #120 Fenway_Nation

yea, i love him. i watch him on youtube.

123 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:41:10am

re: #111 Fenway_Nation

I enact my own version of the fairness doctorine when Savage's show is on. For the libs trying to cram some quasi-Fairness Doctorine legislation thru Congress, it's called changing the fucking station!!!

Hey.

You know that reminds me about the effect Youtube and the internet might have. I remember not so long ago people would dislike someone like Rush, make a comment, and move on with their lives. If they didn't want to listen to it, it was simple as changing the station.

Today, with the availability of Youtube and the popularity of the internet, there is a constant stream of video and audio. In the past you would have to listen to the whole program. Today it is as simple as going on the internet, searching and listening to a video or audio within second. Adding to this is the wide availability of transcripts. This has the same effect as the video and audio clips.

Of course these clips and transcripts can also serve a positive activity.

124 ThingFish  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:42:27am

re: #121 gmsc

ROFLMAO!

125 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:45:01am

hey all, goodnight.

PI, Fenway, enjoy my fruitcup, i cant make it tonight.

126 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:45:07am

re: #121 gmsc

re: #120 Fenway_Nation


Mark Steyn's best work was his suggested campaign slogan for 0bama:

"We live in the greatest nation in the world. I hope you'll join me as we try and change it."

That sounds a little like my facetous 'Micheal Moore defense' when I was accosted by some lib co-workers shortly after Farenheit 9/11 came out.

'I love America, which is why I'm doing my utmost to have it transformed into yet another quasi-socialist shithole'

Of course, one's a hack director while the other is...well...sitting President of the United States.

127 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:45:50am

re: #125 mrshankly01

G'nite mrshankly...

/Cottonbailers, By God!

128 mrshankly01  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:49:06am

re: #127 Fenway_Nation

/Tuskers, we pierce.

129 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:52:26am

re: #126 Fenway_Nation

That sounds a little like my facetous 'Micheal Moore defense' when I was accosted by some lib co-workers shortly after Farenheit 9/11 came out.

'I love America, which is why I'm doing my utmost to have it transformed into yet another quasi-socialist shithole'

Of course, one's a hack director while the other is...well...sitting President of the United States.

What's his next movie? Capitalism: A Love Story? I can guess the theme, it will be all about those other capitalists but he'll avoid the Michael Moore capitalism.

130 Salem  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:53:31am

Can you truly be free if you are prohibited from being ignorant? Too bad, because most people in this country are ignorant and it's basically always been that way. Just a big dumb hive of people choosing freely (or freely choosing not to choose) up until they get splattered on life's windshield, at which point their freedom to choose obviously diminishes significantly. Jefferson had it wrong. Civilization not only makes ignorance possible but relatively blissful.

131 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:54:32am

You want Savage!? THIS IS SAVAGE!!!

/just putting that out there.

132 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:59:01am

re: #129 Gus 802

re: #126 Fenway_Nation


What's his next movie? Capitalism: A Love Story? I can guess the theme, it will be all about those other capitalists but he'll avoid the Michael Moore capitalism.

Capitalism: A Love Story

I can see it now. Barry loved capitalism, which is why he had to kill it.

/It was a crime of passion...ate devotion to Saul Alinsky

133 freetoken  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:59:08am

re: #130 Salem

...splattered on life's windshield...

Hmmm...

Now I remember, the woman I first met her
She looked so fine and cherry with that paintjob on her face
And I thought Hey ya know, life dont get no better!
And the world it seemed, was a far far better place
But soon things turned from good to bad to worser
It wasnt long before, she left for someone new
No matter how I tried, I couldnt curse her
And if you loved her like I did, so couldnt you

Im just a splatter splatter splatter on the windshield of life
Im just a splatter splatter splatter on the windshield of life
Im just a splatter splatter splatter on the windshield of life
Im just a splatter splatter splatter on the windshield of life

134 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:00:50am

re: #130 Salem

Can you truly be free if you are prohibited from being ignorant? Too bad, because most people in this country are ignorant and it's basically always been that way. Just a big dumb hive of people choosing freely (or freely choosing not to choose) up until they get splattered on life's windshield, at which point their freedom to choose obviously diminishes significantly. Jefferson had it wrong. Civilization not only makes ignorance possible but relatively blissful.

It is the Tao. Smart and stupid define each other as light and dark do.

135 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:04:57am

re: #134 Sharmuta

It is the Tao. Smart and stupid define each other as light and dark do.

A lot of smart people get splattered on the windshield of life. ;)

136 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:07:20am

re: #135 Gus 802

A lot of smart people get splattered on the windshield of life. ;)

Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans.

137 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:09:16am

re: #136 Sharmuta

Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans.

Yep.

"I was so busy thinking about a physical chemistry problem that I forget to see if the light was red."

138 Salem  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:10:39am

We all get splattered on the windshield of life. Except the ones that are eaten by a bird before being splattered on the windshield of life. And the ones that get caught in the grill of life. Or hit the bumper. Or-...

Okay, God is barreling down the interstate in a huge SUV...

139 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:11:25am

re: #138 Salem

None get out alive.

140 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:12:18am

re: #138 Salem

What was that? I was distracted by this purple-ish light surrounded by mesh that I feel compelled to fly closer to and see what exactly is-

*ZZZT*

141 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:12:46am

re: #138 Salem

We all get splattered on the windshield of life. Except the ones that are eaten by a bird before being splattered on the windshield of life. And the ones that get caught in the grill of life. Or hit the bumper. Or-...

Okay, God is barreling down the interstate in a huge SUV...

You must have read my mind. OK, I don;t believe in that but I was just thinking about my uncle who was nuclear engineer barreling down the interstate in his Ford SUV. He fell asleep and went across the center grass median and rolled several times. Amazingly he got out without much of a scratch.

142 Salem  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:14:17am

Hehe... Hey everyone. The two-legged turtle says hello.

143 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:14:50am

Oh cruel irony...

The unemployment office is hiring.

144 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:14:58am

re: #140 Fenway_Nation

What was that? I was distracted by this purple-ish light surrounded by mesh that I feel compelled to fly closer to and see what exactly is-

*ZZZT*

DOB August 1, 1971 8:31 PM
DOD August 1, 1971 10:33 PM

145 Salem  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:15:46am

He was run over by life's lawnmower. Or my lawnmower, to be precise.

146 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:16:03am

re: #143 Fenway_Nation

Oh cruel irony...

The unemployment office is hiring.

Must have experience with caricature drawings? /

147 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:17:16am

re: #145 Salem

He was run over by life's lawnmower. Or my lawnmower, to be precise.

Someone mentioned running over a turtle the other day with their lawn mower. Hole in the back of the shell. Was that you?

148 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:37:43am

lawnmowers really cut things down here, didn't they?

149 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:38:06am
150 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:44:52am

Cool! Just 16 more minutes and I have a bunch of fruitcup all to myself!

151 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:45:33am

re: #150 gmsc

You wish.

152 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:47:10am

re: #151 Sharmuta

You wish.

I don't really wish it, but I figured a statement like that would get a response.

It worked!
;)

153 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:53:59am

Good morning all. What's the scoop at this hour?

154 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:56:31am

re: #153 BlueCanuck

Good morning all. What's the scoop at this hour?

Turns out gmsc is baiting people to comment. The little scamp.

155 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:59:50am

re: #154 Sharmuta

Which is serving as a nice distraction as I surreptitously take the fruitcups for myself and replace them with wax facsimilies...

156 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

157 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:00:08am

Well, if no one is commenting . . .

. . . HEY! Fruitcup!

158 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:00:15am

re: #156 littleoldlady

Thanks, {lol}!

159 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:00:28am

re: #156 littleoldlady

That's what you think, mwa-ha-ha-ha!

160 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:00:30am

re: #156 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

Yummy! And thanks!

161 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:00:59am

re: #155 Fenway_Nation

Which is serving as a nice distraction as I surreptitously take the fruitcups for myself and replace them with wax facsimilies...

You're too late. That's red's specialty:

re: #44 redc1c4

FRUITCUP!

help yourselves, at least until LoL shows up with her stuff...

there's more in the frig, so don't be shy!

hasta, y'all...

L8r!

162 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:02:31am

re: #161 gmsc


Elborate decoys as well...

mwa-ha-ha-ha!

163 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:03:07am

re: #156 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

Good morning littleoldlady. Thanks for the fruitcup. :)

164 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:04:24am

gmsc! :-)

Sharmuta! :-)

Fenway! :-)

BlueCanuck! (?) :-)

/having Fun & Games with Firefox this morning :-/

165 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:05:17am

This is a test...

Over there --->

166 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:05:55am

re: #164 littleoldlady

gmsc! :-)

Sharmuta! :-)

Fenway! :-)

BlueCanuck! (?) :-)

/having Fun & Games with Firefox this morning :-/

With the icon, it look more like GreenCanuck.

167 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:06:31am

re: #165 littleoldlady

This is a test...

Over there --->

I don't see a test over there!
;)

I did see one here, though:

re: #66 gmsc

Good evening, mrshankly!

Oh, and good evening to the rest of you, as well!

Any Harry Potter fans out there? If so, here's a challenge for you!

You're given 12 names. You have to decide whether they're characters from the Harry Potter books, or the name of a hideous skin disease!

168 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:06:43am

This was a test of the Emergency Over There system. This was only a test.

169 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:06:58am

re: #166 gmsc

With the icon, it look more like GreenCanuck.

hmmm, reminds me that I have to adjust my avatar. Now where did I put that program...

170 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:06:59am

Another

Over there --->

171 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:07:39am

re: #170 littleoldlady

Another

Over there --->

littleoldlady - she's everywhere!

/But mostly over there

172 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:08:03am

YAY. It's fixed! :-)

173 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:09:08am
174 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:09:20am

re: #172 littleoldlady

YAY. It's fixed! :-)

Ah - your arrows were a victim of the repeat-killing editor?

175 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:10:09am

Over There!

← ← ← ← ←

176 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:10:19am

re: #174 gmsc

Is that what it was?

/I had to resort to html
//shudder!

;-)

177 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:10:22am

re: #170 littleoldlady

Another

Over there --->

"Over There . . ."

178 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:11:06am

Brb, have to adjust something. :)

179 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:11:51am

re: #176 littleoldlady

Is that what it was?

/I had to resort to html
//shudder!

;-)

You did good!

180 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:13:03am

re: #167 gmsc

83%

/I should have done better :-/

181 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:14:54am

re: #180 littleoldlady

83%

/I should have done better :-/

You did better than either mrshankly (8 out of 12) or myself (7 out of 12)! The average is 75%, so you did better than most!

182 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:15:18am

re: #181 gmsc

I had 11 of 12. I should have been perfect.

183 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:16:05am

Okay, avatar adjusted to match nick. :)

184 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:16:29am

I didn't take the exam...

/neither read the books or saw the movies.

185 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:18:48am

re: #182 Sharmuta

I had 11 of 12. I should have been perfect.

Hey - you need to be imperfect in some way.

Just out of curiosity, which one did you miss?

186 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:24:14am

re: #1 Sharmuta

A strong republic depends upon a well informed citizenry.

We're boned.

In the city of Detroit, roughly half of the population is functionally illiterate.

187 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:25:06am

re: #185 gmsc

Bole- not mentioned much, so I didn't recall it as a character.

188 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:25:32am

re: #186 SixDegrees

In the city of Detroit, roughly half of the population is functionally illiterate.

That explains Detroit then, doesn't it?

189 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:25:37am

re: #186 SixDegrees

In the city of Detroit, roughly half of the population is functionally illiterate.

That is rough. Who is blaming who for those state of affairs?

190 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:26:29am

re: #186 SixDegrees

In the city of Detroit, roughly half of the population is functionally illiterate.

...and the remaining 75% have problems with basic math, as well.
;)

191 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:26:32am

Ugh. I just clicked on one of Carl's links in the spinoffs and wouldn't you know he has that photo of the pig and baby sucking face that Slumbering always posts.

/...and that I avoid whenever possible
//double blech! :-(

192 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:27:23am

re: #188 Sharmuta

That explains Detroit then, doesn't it?

To a large extent, it does.

193 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:28:37am

re: #189 BlueCanuck

That is rough. Who is blaming who for those state of affairs?

Mostly, politicians are trying really, really hard to ignore this fact.

194 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:31:04am

I've grown weary of politicians. I say we make them illegal.

195 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:32:36am

re: #194 littleoldlady

I've grown weary of politicians. I say we make them illegal.

That won't happen- just vote the bums out. Every 2 or 4 or 6 years- vote for a new bum.

196 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:33:04am

re: #193 SixDegrees

Well as long as the masses get their welfare cheque on time who's going to argue? Right? I mean they do have enough money coming in to support them?

197 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:33:42am

re: #194 littleoldlady

I've grown weary of politicians. I say we make them illegal.

Hunting season, two bag limit. :)

198 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:33:55am

re: #195 Sharmuta

That won't happen- just vote the bums out. Every 2 or 4 or 6 years- vote for a new bum.

HA. If only...

My idea du jour...Wholesale Tar, Feathers & Pitchforks.com

199 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:34:24am

How to quit smoking, version 1:

NH man charged 23 quadrillion dollars for smokes

MANCHESTER, N.H. — A New Hampshire man says he swiped his debit card at a gas station to buy a pack of cigarettes and was charged over 23 quadrillion dollars.

Josh [bigoted word]nski checked his account online a few hours later and saw the 17-digit number — a stunning $23,148,855,308,184,500 (twenty-three quadrillion, one hundred forty-eight trillion, eight hundred fifty-five billion, three hundred eight million, one hundred eighty-four thousand, five hundred dollars).

[bigoted word]nski says he spent two hours on the phone with Bank of America trying to sort out the string of numbers and the $15 overdraft fee.

The bank corrected the error the next day.

Bank of America tells WMUR-TV only the card issuer, Visa, could answer questions. Visa, in turn, referred questions to the bank.

200 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:34:58am

re: #197 BlueCanuck

Hunting season, two bag limit. :)

What do you do with dead rats?

;-)

201 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:36:11am

I know I shouldn't ask*, but...what the heck is a quadrillion?!

/ *because if Congress knew about it, they'd spend it!

202 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:36:39am

re: #201 littleoldlady

The second stimulus, LoL...

203 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:36:58am

How to quit smoking, version 1:

Be Amazing: Quit Smoking

YOU WILL NEED
• Ancient traditions
• A new menace
• 1 pitcher of mildly hallucinogenic punch

It wasn’t until 1986 that the village of Nabila got its first taste of modern health care, but it came along just in time. Within 4 years of opening a new public health clinic, the medical staff realized they had a major crisis on their hands. According to the book Dying to Quit by Janet Brigham, more than 1/3 of all the 238 people on Nabila smoked. In fact, smoking rates had doubled between 1986 and 1990 and hypertension was now running rampant through the islanders. The medical staff pulled out their trusty American Cancer Society posters, but, somehow, the motivational artwork failed to make an appropriate impact. So, what’s a dedicated staff to do? Turn to a higher power, of course—the village elders.

Informed of the health risk, the elders hit on a sensible solution: Everybody in the entire village would have to stop smoking—effective immediately. And while the whole scheme sounds entirely improbable, the Nabila elders had an ace up their grass skirts. South Pacific island culture has a long-standing tradition, known as tabu, by which certain objects, foods, and actions are made spiritually unclean. In the past, tabu was usually applied temporarily to a certain group of people, such as forbidding warriors from touching the ladies until after a battle. But, in Nabila, cigarettes were about to become tabu permanently for everyone in town.

The first step in the ritual involved requiring village puffers to chain-smoke until they got sick. Then came the drinking. But, unlike the average Western pre-cold-turkey binge, this chug-a-lug had some serious symbolic meaning. The beverage of choice was kava, which, unlike anything made in Milwaukee, is actually a mild hallucinogen. And, in South Pacific tradition, this brew also has magical properties. For instance, if you swear an oath on a swig of kava, you’re bound to your promise—on pain of unpleasant circumstances. Nabila’s backsliders found this out first-hand. In the four reported cases of relapse, one man tripped and cut himself, another was attacked by a dog, a third ended up with a swollen testicle, and the fourth briefly passed out after mixing tobacco and kava—all of which were attributed to supernatural punishment. Nabila’s stop-smoking campaign quickly became a media phenomenon in Fiji, prompting a number of people who didn’t even live in the village to join them in tabu. In a nearby village, three-fourths of the young people quit smoking in solidarity. Nine months later, Nabila was still smoke-free. And a full two years after that, the only smokers in town were a couple of elderly people who were given a special dispensation and one visiting teenager. In 2006, Nabila received a World No Tobacco Day Award from the World Health Organization, in honor of its continued success.

204 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:38:58am
• 1 pitcher of mildly hallucinogenic punch

Over there --->

205 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:39:39am

re: #204 littleoldlady

Did you bring engouh for everyone?

206 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:40:03am

re: #201 littleoldlady

I know I shouldn't ask*, but...what the heck is a quadrillion?!

/ *because if Congress knew about it, they'd spend it!

1 quadrillion is 1,000 times 1 trillion.

Keep in mind that 1 trillion itself is already 1 million millions. In short, think of 1 quadrillion as 1 billion millions, or 1 million billions.

Better yet, think of them as a friend of mine does. The qaudrillions are the beginning of what he calls the "squintillions" - numbers with so many zeroes, you have to squint to see the last zeroes!

207 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:41:07am

re: #205 Fenway_Nation

Did you bring engouh for everyone?

No.

/git yer own! ;-)

208 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:41:34am

re: #206 gmsc

Oh, my aching head!

;-)

209 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:42:33am

re: #207 littleoldlady

/flounce flounce

210 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:43:04am

re: #199 gmsc

How to quit smoking, version 1:

NH man charged 23 quadrillion dollars for smokes

Josh [bigoted word]nski

Huh?

211 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:45:10am

re: #210 gmsc

The dreaded filter strikes again.

212 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:47:44am

Bigotedwordnski is quite the name. Polish, I presume?

213 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:47:47am

re: #211 Sharmuta

The dreaded filter strikes again.

Yeah, but I'd never heard that portion of the name used in any way before. Can someone at least fill me in on what's it's bigoted about?

214 AuntAcid  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:47:48am

re: #186 SixDegrees

In the city of Detroit, roughly half of the population is functionally illiterate.

"There once was a city named Detroit" -

Although the new mayor seems to be much better than the last one, he has nothing to work with. Short of a miracle, I think Detroit's future is grim.

215 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:48:38am

re: #212 Sharmuta

Bigotedwordnski is quite the name. Polish, I presume?

I'm pretty sure I dated that guy...

216 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:49:11am

re: #214 AuntAcid

"There once was a city named Detroit" -

Although the new mayor seems to be much better than the last one, he has nothing to work with. Short of a miracle, I think Detroit's future is grim.

Limerick time!

Among the historical scenics,
is a mythical bird called the Phoenix,
whose main claim to fame,
is to go down in flame,
and pop up again, like a Kleenex!

217 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:49:13am

test:

[bigoted word]nski

218 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:50:02am

re: #215 littleoldlady

t*wel-headinsky?

/

219 Salem  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:50:47am

re: #147 Gus 802

Someone mentioned running over a turtle the other day with their lawn mower. Hole in the back of the shell. Was that you?

Yep. Me and my accidental pet.

220 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:52:29am

So in addition to his smoking habit racking up the equivalant of a week's worth of spending under the 0bama administration, this New Hampshire guy's last name is apparently some kind of ethnic slur?

/

221 freetoken  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:52:49am

re: #212 Sharmuta

Bigotedwordnski is quite the name. Polish, I presume?

Ah... but "Bigotedwordnski" is just the anagram that the auto-Stinky used as a substitute for the original nasty name, which was:

"Big Toed Drink Sow"

222 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:55:20am

re: #221 freetoken

+1 for coining "auto-Stinky".

223 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:56:09am

re: #221 freetoken

Ah... but "Bigotedwordnski" is just the anagram that the auto-Stinky used as a substitute for the original nasty name, which was:

"Big Toed Drink Sow"

Randi Rhodes?

224 freetoken  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:56:45am

The other optional original for which "Bigotedwordnski" is an anagram would be:

Orbited God Winks


But I'm pretty sure that SpaceJesus was not the subject of the original article.

225 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:57:52am

Oh boy. I was going to leave but Fenway's on a roll... ;-)

226 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:58:01am

Auto-Stinky™ Strikes Again!

227 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:58:40am

re: #225 littleoldlady

Oh boy. I was going to leave but Fenway's on a roll... ;-)

That explains why there's butter on his pants.
*RIMSHOT*

228 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:00:13am

re: #227 gmsc

Must be Friday... ;-)

229 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:00:59am

re: #228 littleoldlady

Must be Friday... ;-)

Isn't it always?

230 gmsc  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:01:14am

Yikes! It's 3:00 AM here!

Good night, all!

231 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:01:36am

'Night, gmsc! :-)

232 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:02:16am

re: #230 gmsc

Good night!

233 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:02:21am

re: #230 gmsc

'nite!

234 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:05:14am

Night gmsc math dreams to you.


/mmm pi. :)

235 dentate  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:07:35am

Just read the following lead article on the CNN site:

Explosions tore through the Ritz-Carlton and J.W. Marriott hotels Friday morning in south Jakarta, Indonesia, killing at least eight people, a presidential spokesman said. Police found an unexploded bomb on the 18th floor of the J.W. Marriott Hotel, but they were able to diffuse it.

I was trying to imagine the bomb squad desperately attempting to dissolve the offending device in a big jug of water, so they could stir it around and make it disappear.

The age of literacy comes to an end...

236 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:08:58am

re: #235 dentate

Well it could have been one of those liquid explosive type of bombs...

237 Throbert McGee  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:11:21am

Pulling an all-nighter here editing and test-cooking recipes that I'd promised to send to my dear mudder -- she and dad are retired out near Tucson, AZ, and her little old ladies' club is putting together a cookbook as a fundraiser.

Here are the recipes (well, not the WHOLE recipes, but the titles and descriptions):

Sigara Börek (Turkish "Cigar Pastries")
Turkish-style "egg rolls" stuffed with feta cheese

Easy Yet Elegant "El Dorado" Rice Pilaf
golden rice with toasted pine nuts, golden raisins, dried apricots, grated carrots, and chicken

NYC-style bagels
aka "Throbert's Fegelah Bagel's

there's just two secrets: you hafta use bread flour, not all-purpose flour, and they get a two-minute bath in boiling water before baking

김 - щи (kim-shchi)
Russian cabbage soup ("shchi", pronounced just like the English feminine singular pronoun) jazzed up with the peppery, garlicky pickled cabbage that Koreans call "kimchee" -- plus some kippered herring! I know that a lot of Americans are a-scared of kimchee for some reason, but trust me -- the fresh green cabbage and other Russian ingredients take the fight out of it.

Richter 5.0 Tembleque
Coconut puddin' from Puerto Rico -- quick, easy, and soothing, even though the name is related to "temblor," as in minor earthquake. My version adds just a bit of rum to make it more grown-up.

Baklazhannaya Ikra
aka "Baba Yaga's Babaganoush"

This is a simply a Russian version of babaganoush, and its name literally means "eggplant caviar." There's a classic Soviet film comedy in which a modern Russian scientist time-travels back to the 16th-century court of Tsar Ivan the Terrible. One of the sight gags is that Mr. Terrible's tables were piled with huge bowls full of real sturgeon caviar from the Caspian Sea -- and next to these, a tiny gold dish of "eggplant caviar," to be dished out with a platinum spoon. (The logic of the joke being, of course, that eggplants almost certainly would've been much harder to obtain in 16th-century Russia than actual caviar!)

Pad Thai
I haven't figured out a clever name or presentation for this yet, but dammit, I've worked long and hard figuring out how to make pad thai from scratch in my own kitchen, so I'm gonna include it.

and finally, the piece of resistance:

Cat Turd Cookies
No-bake chocolate-peppermint cookies shaped to look like cat turds and presented in a "litterbox" filled with GrapeNuts and oats. Note: if you Google for "cat poop cookies," you'll find a widely distributed recipe for BAKED cookies in the shape of cat shit. Well, I've tried that recipe and it sucks ass. My version, which sucketh not, and verily rocks, is adapted (albeit with some pretty significant changes) from the traditional "No-Bake Holiday Rum Ball Cookies" recipe.

(Incidentally, I thought of a MUCH better name for the Turkish cheese rolls, but that recipe has been accepted into the LGF Cookbook 2nd Edition, so maybe I shouldn't spoil it!)

238 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:11:46am

re: #235 dentate

re: #236 BlueCanuck

There. I get to leave linking same movie I came in with...

/variation on a theme ;-)

Good day, ALL!™

239 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:14:01am

re: #237 Throbert McGee

Pulling an all-nighter here editing and test-cooking recipes that I'd promised to send to my dear mudder -- she and dad are retired out near Tucson, AZ, and her little old ladies' club is putting together a cookbook as a fundraiser.

Here are the recipes (well, not the WHOLE recipes, but the titles and descriptions):

Sigara Börek (Turkish "Cigar Pastries")
Turkish-style "egg rolls" stuffed with feta cheese

Easy Yet Elegant "El Dorado" Rice Pilaf
golden rice with toasted pine nuts, golden raisins, dried apricots, grated carrots, and chicken

NYC-style bagels
aka "Throbert's Fegelah Bagel's

there's just two secrets: you hafta use bread flour, not all-purpose flour, and they get a two-minute bath in boiling water before baking

김 - щи (kim-shchi)
Russian cabbage soup ("shchi", pronounced just like the English feminine singular pronoun) jazzed up with the peppery, garlicky pickled cabbage that Koreans call "kimchee" -- plus some kippered herring! I know that a lot of Americans are a-scared of kimchee for some reason, but trust me -- the fresh green cabbage and other Russian ingredients take the fight out of it.

Richter 5.0 Tembleque
Coconut puddin' from Puerto Rico -- quick, easy, and soothing, even though the name is related to "temblor," as in minor earthquake. My version adds just a bit of rum to make it more grown-up.

Baklazhannaya Ikra
aka "Baba Yaga's Babaganoush"

This is a simply a Russian version of babaganoush, and its name literally means "eggplant caviar." There's a classic Soviet film comedy in which a modern Russian scientist time-travels back to the 16th-century court of Tsar Ivan the Terrible. One of the sight gags is that Mr. Terrible's tables were piled with huge bowls full of real sturgeon caviar from the Caspian Sea -- and next to these, a tiny gold dish of "eggplant caviar," to be dished out with a platinum spoon. (The logic of the joke being, of course, that eggplants almost certainly would've been much harder to obtain in 16th-century Russia than actual caviar!)

Pad Thai
I haven't figured out a clever name or presentation for this yet, but dammit, I've worked long and hard figuring out how to make pad thai from scratch in my own kitchen, so I'm gonna include it.

and finally, the piece of resistance:

Cat Turd Cookies
No-bake chocolate-peppermint cookies shaped to look like cat turds and presented in a "litterbox" filled with GrapeNuts and oats. Note: if you Google for "cat poop cookies," you'll find a widely distributed recipe for BAKED cookies in the shape of cat shit. Well, I've tried that recipe and it sucks ass. My version, which sucketh not, and verily rocks, is adapted (albeit with some pretty significant changes) from the traditional "No-Bake Holiday Rum Ball Cookies" recipe.

(Incidentally, I thought of a MUCH better name for the Turkish cheese rolls, but that recipe has been accepted into the LGF Cookbook 2nd Edition, so maybe I shouldn't spoil it!)

Why were these not sent to the LGF Cookbook Volume 2? Don't you love us any more, Throbert?

240 Karridine  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:14:57am

re: #213 gmsc

A fly is buzzy
A bigoted-word follows Muhammad...

Get the gist, gmsc? Filter gonna whack me if I 'splain it clearer...

241 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:16:52am

re: #1 Sharmuta

A strong republic depends upon a well informed citizenry.

We're boned.

Authority is a word used to describe someone who knows what they are saying and what they are doing. It is not a word that can be reasonably used to describe the present occupants of the executive and legislative branches of the Federal Government.

242 Karridine  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:17:14am

Oh, great!
I jumped down here to respond to gmsc, then drifted up-thread to learn 'aint here no more'

*sigh*

243 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:20:36am

re: #241 The Other Les

Authority is a word used to describe someone who knows what they are saying and what they are doing. It is not a word that can be reasonably used to describe the present occupants of the executive and legislative branches of the Federal Government.

Well said.

244 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:20:48am

Well...that's gonna do it for me, lizards...

take care!

245 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:20:53am

Bye littleoldlady.

/people come and go so fast here . :)

246 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:22:39am

Night Fenway, probably see you later today.

247 Throbert McGee  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:24:33am

re: #239 Sharmuta

Why were these not sent to the LGF Cookbook Volume 2? Don't you love us any more, Throbert?

'Cause I didn't hear about it (or take notice of the mentions of it) in time!

248 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:27:37am

Oh, Mr. Welch is at it again:

1405. It's obvious I'm just playing a skald so I can sing "Bjeorning, Bjoerning, Disco Inferno"

249 opnion  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:39:34am

Good morning everybody. Is their one mdia member with the nerve to ask BHO if he will enroll himself & the Congress in the new proposed public health plan?

250 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:48:04am

Throbert...Cheese Buregs are my fuckin' favorite.

You should try Spinach Buregs.

251 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:51:39am

re: #249 opnion

Good morning everybody. Is their one mdia member with the nerve to ask BHO if he will enroll himself & the Congress in the new proposed public health plan?

Sure they will. they will be on tier one of the plan. all the rest of us will be on tier 2 or 3.

252 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:54:50am

re: #249 opnion

Good morning everybody. Is their one mdia member with the nerve to ask BHO if he will enroll himself & the Congress in the new proposed public health plan?

You are a funny one, you are. Why not ask that Congress apply the laws that they pass to Congress while you are at it?

'Morning, y'all. I'm stoked, pumped, full of eager anticipation for the day. Supposed to be only around 80 F today, down from 100 day before yesterday. I can work at 80.

I love the south.

253 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:58:50am

Well time to check out temporarily. Off to work. See you all in about an hour or so...

254 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 3:59:33am

re: #239 Sharmuta

Why were these not sent to the LGF Cookbook Volume 2? Don't you love us any more, Throbert?

Ya know? I was looking for a recipe for stuffed peppers (gotta do something with the garden bounty). A simple thing, one that Mom used to feed us. Basically ground beef, rice, tomatoes, and seasonings.

Man, there's some fluffed-up monstrosities out there in the intrawebs, cooking-wise.

255 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:00:13am

re: #252 razorbacker

I can work at 80.


With the Democrats in charge you are going to have to work when your 80.

256 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:02:02am

re: #255 3 wood

With the Democrats in charge you are going to have to work when your 80.

Will there be jobs available then? Hope!!!

257 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:05:52am

re: #255 3 wood

With the Democrats in charge you are going to have to work when your 80.

Phbbbt!

You'll not bring me down with your astute observations today.

This may or may not apply.

I know of a plant locally that has laid off workers, cut work days, done everything that they can think of to cut costs while keeping production up.

It ain't working. The workers are on an unofficial slow-down. Machines are breaking at a unprecedented pace. Production is at about 66% of former levels. Employees that formerly were able to understand instructions suddenly 'no habla Engleesh' and require a translator (and the Hispanic workers are little better).

I hear of two other plants with similar stories.

Management doesn't understand what possibly could be going wrong here.

258 opnion  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:06:13am

re: #251 Nevergiveup

Sure they will. they will be on tier one of the plan. all the rest of us will be on tier 2 or 3.

Of course you are correct, the President & his family would not be subject to rationing, nor would the Congress. They would keep their doctors & would be treated as if they had private insurance, only the reimursment would be different.
That will not apply to the rest of us.

259 TheMatrix31  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:07:10am

I'm having super major issues loading stuff on LGF, so I guess I'm just going to log off. Later dudes.

260 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:07:28am

The market futures are mixed before the open.

From the Congressional Budget Office:
The Long-Term Budget Outlook


Under current law, the federal budget is on an unsustainable path, because federal debt will continue to grow much faster than the economy over the long run.


From our Vice President:

Joe Biden: ‘We Have to Go Spend Money to Keep From Going Bankrupt’

Vice President Joe Biden told people attending an AARP town hall meeting that unless the Democrat-supported health care plan becomes law the nation will go bankrupt and that the only way to avoid that fate is for the government to spend more money.

“And folks look, AARP knows and the people with me here today know, the president knows, and I know, that the status quo is simply not acceptable,” Biden said at the event on Thursday in Alexandria, Va. “It’s totally unacceptable. And it’s completely unsustainable. Even if we wanted to keep it the way we have it now. It can’t do it financially.”

“We’re going to go bankrupt as a nation,” Biden said.

“Now, people when I say that look at me and say, ‘What are you talking about, Joe? You’re telling me we have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt?’” Biden said. “The answer is yes, that's what I’m telling you.”


It's like in the movie "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" when the inmates escape in the bus and take over the fishing charter.

261 opnion  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:07:33am

re: #252 razorbacker

You are a funny one, you are. Why not ask that Congress apply the laws that they pass to Congress while you are at it?

'Morning, y'all. I'm stoked, pumped, full of eager anticipation for the day. Supposed to be only around 80 F today, down from 100 day before yesterday. I can work at 80.

I love the south.


I would just like to see the look on BHO's face & hear the stammering.

262 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:07:47am

3wood,

When do they release employment figures again?

263 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:07:56am

re: #256 Cannadian Club Akbar

Will there be jobs available then? Hope!!!

Labor camps.

264 opnion  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:11:04am

NASA has announced that tapes of the original Moon Landing have been taped over. Can't make this up.

265 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:12:18am

re: #263 3 wood

Morning 3 wood, thanks for answering my questions the other day.

VP biden says we have to spend more money to keep from going bankrupt. Is there some economic phenomenon that supports that?

266 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:12:32am

re: #262 razorbacker

They will refine the June numbers in a week or so, and then July early estimates will be out about the last day of the month based on ADP stat's.

267 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:13:18am

re: #264 opnion

NASA has announced that tapes of the original Moon Landing have been taped over. Can't make this up.

Porn? Super Bowl? Conspiracy nuts are doing jumping jacks right about...now.

268 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:13:39am

re: #265 rightside

VP biden says we have to spend more money to keep from going bankrupt. Is there some economic phenomenon that supports that?

Insanity. Also, Keynesian theory taken to an extreme.

269 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:14:08am

Got to run early. Later.

270 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:15:12am

re: #261 opnion

I would just like to see the look on BHO's face & hear the stammering.

You can't do to a society what has been done to America this year with the expectation that the changes will affect you, too.

You only do something like has been done if you are confident that you are above the fray, insulated from the struggles and tribulations of the proles.

Have the American people been sufficently cowed? We shall see.

I thought not, once. Now I don't know. There are a lot of socialist-Americans nowadays.

271 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:16:49am

re: #264 opnion

NASA has announced that tapes of the original Moon Landing have been taped over. Can't make this up.

Well then. They'll just have to go back to Death Valley and reshoot, won't they?

272 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:20:07am

Morning Lizards.

273 opnion  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:20:52am

re: #267 Cannadian Club Akbar


Porn? Super Bowl? Conspiracy nuts are doing jumping jacks right about...now.

You can just imagine. Nasa says that their is enough private media footage for them to recreate what was lost.
You know some people will say, "Ah ha! I knew that it happened in a Hollywood studio."
What I got out of it is government incompetence.

274 opnion  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:22:47am

re: #271 razorbacker

Well then. They'll just have to go back to Death Valley and reshoot, won't they?

The conspiracy mill will be at Dedfcon 1.

275 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:23:07am

re: #273 opnion

government incompetence.


Redundant...

276 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:24:46am

algore is a piece of work. I pity the fools who willingly gave him their money, in the hopes that they would change the work of nature. He's a charlatan, and a snake oil salesman.

277 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:26:12am

re: #274 opnion

The conspiracy mill will be at Dedfcon 1.

I know we have Nirthers and Troofers. What do we call Moon Kooks?

278 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:27:39am

re: #277 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know we have Nirthers and Troofers. What do we call Moon Kooks?

No need to search for a new word when Moonies is right there.

279 opnion  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:29:16am

re: #276 rightside

algore is a piece of work. I pity the fools who willingly gave him their money, in the hopes that they would change the work of nature. He's a charlatan, and a snake oil salesman.

The guy loses the Presidency, goes off & becomes a multi-millionaire on largely junk science. He has no scientific background & leverages off of Global Warming hysteria. The globe does not cooperate with some cooling periods, no problem it becomes Climate Change & it's still your fault.

280 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:31:18am

Another example of why I hate Robert Gates. He lives in fantasy land aparently.

He bewailed the international community's inability to affect Iran's apparent determination to seek a nuclear weapon.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Gates lamented that he hadn't been able to persuade other nations, particularly Russia, that the Iranian nuclear issue did not simply just threaten the United States, AFP reported.

This guy is the best we can get? Even a lowly dentist knows sanctions will NOT work! What a putz.

281 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:31:29am

I have such a clear memory of the day of the moon landing. I was summering with my paternal grandmother and her second husband.

Those old folks just looked at each other and shook their heads. Grandpa Joe said, 'Son, I remember when an aeroplane was a big deal.'

282 opnion  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:32:33am

re: #277 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know we have Nirthers and Troofers. What do we call Moon Kooks?

This story just broke, so it will be interesting to see who starts screaming about conspiracy. Moon bats might work, but that could be too generic.
Just as an aside, Congresswoman Shelia Jakson Lee was hoping that pictures of the Martian surface would show our flag there.

283 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:32:43am

re: #272 rightside

Morning Lizards.

Good morning

284 UncleRancher  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:32:44am

Greetings lizards. I'm back in town. Well, village actually. I'll take a troofer & nirther omelet, with a dash of celery seed and garlic, thank you.

285 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:36:18am

re: #284 UncleRancher

I guess that the thread is populated with vampires, since that garlic reference seems to have cleared folks right out.

286 AuntAcid  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:36:20am

re: #263 3 wood

Labor camps.

Oh goody. Smores!

287 UncleRancher  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:37:08am

re: #285 razorbacker

I see that. I eat these guys for breakfast.

288 UncleRancher  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:39:36am

Anybody catch Barbara Boxer getting reamed yesterday?
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

289 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:40:42am

A group committed to establishing an international Islamic empire and reportedly linked to Al Qaeda is stepping up its Western recruitment efforts by holding its first official conference in the U.S.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Now, it is coming out of the shadows and openly hosting a July 19 conference entitled, "The Fall of Capitalism and the Rise of Islam," at a posh Hilton hotel in a suburb of Chicago.

Chicago hum? Alot of crap coming out of Chicago lately?

290 AuntAcid  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:41:05am

"My parents went to Washington DC and all I got was a lousy armband."

291 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:41:26am

Boots and Saddles, ya lazy Bums!

'Come to the stable
As soon as you're able
And give your poor horses
Some oats and corn.'

292 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:41:30am

re: #288 UncleRancher

Anybody catch Barbara Boxer getting reamed yesterday?
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

But, but, it's conservatives who are racist!!!
/

293 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:41:33am

re: #279 opnion

Shameless.

294 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:42:29am

re: #288 UncleRancher

Anybody catch Barbara Boxer getting reamed yesterday?
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

He was great wasn't he.

295 UncleRancher  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:44:04am

re: #294 Nevergiveup

He was great wasn't he.

Roger that, but I'm sure she never got the point. He was talking to a wall.

296 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:47:46am

re: #288 UncleRancher

I did see that. Good for him!

297 legalpad  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:48:11am

re: #288 UncleRancher

Anybody catch Barbara Boxer getting reamed yesterday?
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

lol. He doesn't like you, Barbara. Good grief, who is she not condescending to?

298 UncleRancher  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:51:42am

re: #297 legalpad

lol. He doesn't like you, Barbara. Good grief, who is she not condescending to?

It reminded me of the day Howard Hughes went to congress and ripped them a new one over the Spruce Goose.

299 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:52:15am

I have an infestation of moths in my house. Would you be embarrassed? I'm not. I want someone to come to my house and eat all of the moths. Been thinking of getting a bat. (The mammal, not the baseball implement.) What? You think I'd chase a moth around the house with a baseball bat. Gosh, you're dumb.

300 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:52:39am

re: #297 legalpad

lol. He doesn't like you, Barbara. Good grief, who is she not condescending to?

She didn't insist on being called 'Senator', either.

'Ma'am' worked just fine.

Bitch would be more descriptive, but he seemed a gentleman, and prolly wouldn't have been so exact in his terminology.

301 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:52:56am

re: #297 legalpad

lol. He doesn't like you, Barbara. Good grief, who is she not condescending to?

If you are driving a girl to an abortion clinic in a Prius that says "Planned Parenthood" on the side while smoking a joint, you're OK.

302 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:53:08am

re: #299 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have you tried mothballs?

303 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:53:49am

Iowahawk is so damn funny!

304 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:55:05am

re: #302 rightside

Have you tried mothballs?

He's a vegetarian, you know.

305 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:55:30am

re: #304 razorbacker

Now you blew the joke!

306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:56:27am

Mothballs stink. Especially sweaty ones.

There.

307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:57:07am

I have some of those pest strips... five days...they are full. It's disgusting. Can't seem to shake the little bastards.

308 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:58:30am

re: #299 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have an infestation of moths in my house. Would you be embarrassed? I'm not. I want someone to come to my house and eat all of the moths. Been thinking of getting a bat. (The mammal, not the baseball implement.) What? You think I'd chase a moth around the house with a baseball bat. Gosh, you're dumb.


use mandy's clue bat

309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:58:56am

re: #308 apachegunner

What up, Richie Rich!?

310 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 4:59:41am

re: #301 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you are driving a girl to an abortion clinic in a Prius that says "Planned Parenthood" on the side while smoking a joint, you're OK.


in my mind one outta three ain't bad ;>)

311 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:00:15am

re: #305 rightside

Now you blew the joke!

Puts me in mind of a party that I attended once out by Casscoe. Fellow had turned a bunch of bulls into steers and was having a 'bull-fry'. Now, the only way that you can get a bunch of young ladies to eat bull testicles is to ply them with strong drink, but they are all willing to try it once.

Memories of the latter hours are a trifle vague, but I seem to recall drunken groping, unabashed rutting, and embarrassed glances next morning.

The mating call of the 'nice girl' resounded. "Gosh, I'm drunk."

312 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:01:58am

re: #309 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What up, Richie Rich!?

HEY

313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:04:38am

re: #312 apachegunner

Where you at?

314 legalpad  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:04:46am

gotta run

315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:05:28am

re: #311 razorbacker

So, you've been in an orgy. Nice.

316 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:07:10am

re: #277 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know we have Nirthers and Troofers. What do we call Moon Kooks?

How about "Green Cheesers"?

317 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:07:29am

Gotta love a Dickens Cider!

318 opnion  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:07:47am

re: #289 Nevergiveup

I do hope that this Islamic coference at a Chicago Area Hilton is infiltrated by the FBI.
If the whole purpose is to recruit violent Jihadis to destroy us, I hope that there are prosecutions,
Wait silly me, Eric Holder would never support prosecutions. The FBI would probably dragged before Congress for bruising Muslim feelings.

319 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:09:06am

re: #315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, you've been in an orgy. Nice.

When in Rome...

I was led astray by evile companions...

I was pure as new snow, but I've drifted some...

I kept my eyes closed...

But, everybody was doing it...

You said to get out and meet new people...

320 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:10:11am

re: #319 razorbacker

Lead me not into temptation, I already know the way. :)

321 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:11:35am

re: #320 BlueCanuck

Or, as I tell my wife, "What do you mean 'I led you astray?' Hell, most of the time I was running to keep up!"

322 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:12:39am

re: #321 razorbacker

Ooooh, I have to remember that one. Could be quite useful down that twisted road.

323 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:13:09am

re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where you at?

in my office. no travel for two weeks. two weeks, can ya believe it?

324 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:15:09am

re: #318 opnion

I do hope that this Islamic coference at a Chicago Area Hilton is infiltrated by the FBI.
If the whole purpose is to recruit violent Jihadis to destroy us, I hope that there are prosecutions,
Wait silly me, Eric Holder would never support prosecutions. The FBI would probably dragged before Congress for bruising Muslim feelings.

They are to busy investigating former VP Cheney

325 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:16:22am

Pope Benedict XVI broke his right wrist in a fall

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Anybody ever seen the Pope and Hilliary together at the same time?

326 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:20:40am

Well, boyz and girrllz, it's been purely fun, but I need to get out and see what this glorious day has brought me.

I anticipate great things. Marvelous things.

Actually, I'll be satisfied with ending the day with the same number of limbs and digits that I start with, all still attached in the same places. The secret of a happy life is to keep your expectations low enough, so you don't get disappointed all the time.

327 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:22:02am

good morning lizardia!

this is a driveby as I am absolutely swamped, but I wanted to be sure you are all aware of this. Obama's 'health care' bill is apparently a stealth euthanasia bill for the elderly.

Check this out.

One troubling provision of the House bill compels seniors to submit to a counseling session every five years (and more often if they become sick or go into a nursing home) about alternatives for end-of-life care (House bill, p. 425-430). The sessions cover highly sensitive matters such as whether to receive antibiotics and "the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration."

328 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:24:24am

re: #325 Nevergiveup

Pope Benedict XVI broke his right wrist in a fall

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Anybody ever seen the Pope and Hilliary together at the same time?

not since she pushed him!

329 UncleRancher  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:35:18am

When I was young we didn't have health "insurance". The doctor was the most affluent and respected person in the community, and he took care of everybody's needs whether they could pay or not. Of those who did pay, some paid with money, others with corn or chickens.

Tell me what was wrong with that system?

330 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:36:42am

re: #329 UncleRancher

When I was young we didn't have health "insurance". The doctor was the most affluent and respected person in the community, and he took care of everybody's needs whether they could pay or not. Of those who did pay, some paid with money, others with corn or chickens.

Tell me what was wrong with that system?

Nothing, but you should check the mortality rates.

/

331 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:37:24am

re: #326 razorbacker

Well, boyz and girrllz, it's been purely fun, but I need to get out and see what this glorious day has brought me.

I anticipate great things. Marvelous things.

Actually, I'll be satisfied with ending the day with the same number of limbs and digits that I start with, all still attached in the same places. The secret of a happy life is to keep your expectations low enough, so you don't get disappointed all the time.

I see you are anticipating staying away from woodworking equipment.

332 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:38:12am

re: #327 wahabicorridor

good morning lizardia!

this is a driveby as I am absolutely swamped, but I wanted to be sure you are all aware of this. Obama's 'health care' bill is apparently a stealth euthanasia bill for the elderly.

Check this out.

Has AARP endorsed the bill?

333 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:39:37am

re: #332 NJDhockeyfan

Has AARP endorsed the bill?

Yes.

334 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:40:27am

re: #332 NJDhockeyfan

Has AARP endorsed the bill?

AARP's not an organization of old people.

It's a COLLECTION of old people.

/cue Twilight Zone music
/IT'S A COOKBOOK!

335 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:40:44am

re: #332 NJDhockeyfan

Has AARP endorsed the bill?

Who cares, they are basically a democratic, liberal advocacy group anyway.

336 UncleRancher  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:41:16am

re: #330 OldLineTexan

Nothing, but you should check the mortality rates.

/

I don't know if mortality rates have gone up or down since then, excluding wars of course. I do know the costs have gone up more than any other item, and it appears the new plan is to force mortality rates up. That will help save social "security", but I don't much like the idea, having already achieved seniority.

337 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:44:09am

re: #329 UncleRancher

Morning all.

Nothing wrong with that plan in the past, but because of the improvements in technology it's not gonna fly today. Can't buy an MRI or pay a half-dozen technicians with chickens.

338 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:45:19am

re: #336 UncleRancher

I don't know if mortality rates have gone up or down since then, excluding wars of course. I do know the costs have gone up more than any other item, and it appears the new plan is to force mortality rates up. That will help save social "security", but I don't much like the idea, having already achieved seniority.

Mortality rates way down due to technology, life expectancy is up.

As for Social Insecurity, I am a "Baby Boomer" (tail-end, I will have you know) and will still be PAYING IN (as we all did) for another twenty+ years.

Since there are so damned many of us, Social Insecurity should be flush with money. As it is, it has just flushed the money.

I don't ever expect to see a dime; it is nothing to me but an extra tax and the first best indicator of what an Obama/Wright/Ayers "America" will look like. A broke-ass hole in the ground.

339 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:45:48am

re: #335 Nevergiveup

Who cares, they are basically a democratic, liberal advocacy group anyway.

My mom has become a left-wing moonbat over the years. She's totally in the tank for O and gets her news from The View and Oprah. She has a subscription to AARP magazine as well. I tried to tell her about Obamacare but she doesn't want to here it. I was hoping AARP would figure out that the elderly would get thrown under the bus with this new health care bill but I guess not.

340 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:47:03am

re: #339 NJDhockeyfan

My mom has become a left-wing moonbat over the years. She's totally in the tank for O and gets her news from The View and Oprah. She has a subscription to AARP magazine as well. I tried to tell her about Obamacare but she doesn't want to here it. I was hoping AARP would figure out that the elderly would get thrown under the bus into the Soylent Green vat with this new health care bill but I guess not.

FTFY

341 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:49:36am

HA HA HA HA

*snicker*

Remember that arrogant CNN 'reporter' who got in the face of some TEA Party people, thinking she would make them looks stupid?

She's gone.

Breaking: TVNewser has learned CNN correspondent Susan Roesgen's contract will not be renewed and she will be leaving the network.

Roesgen, you'll recall, was criticized for her coverage at the tax day tea parties in April, when she said the event she was covering in Chicago was, "anti-CNN since this is highly promoted by the right-wing, conservative network Fox
h/t Instapundit

342 UncleRancher  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:49:52am

re: #337 Lincolntf

Morning all.

Nothing wrong with that plan in the past, but because of the improvements in technology it's not gonna fly today. Can't buy an MRI or pay a half-dozen technicians with chickens.

Here's the deal. We can have the MRIs and the genetic labs and the fancy drugs at way less than half the cost if we just get rid of the notion that someone else should pay the bill. That little part alone drives up the cost by 50 percent and then while we're at it, get rid of lawsuits and medical malpractice and liability insurance that costs $200,000 per year PER practitioner in the medical field and you put that money into research and we can cure many of the incurable diseases we have running around today. The wealth is going to buildings full of people with overpaid executives with jets and double comma salaries. Let's spread THAT wealth around.

344 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:51:02am

re: #341 wahabicorridor

HA HA HA HA

*snicker*

Remember that arrogant CNN 'reporter' who got in the face of some TEA Party people, thinking she would make them looks stupid?

She's gone.

She'll be on MSNBC soon enough. Sitting on Oberdouches lap.

345 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:51:14am

re: #342 UncleRancher

Here's the deal. We can have the MRIs and the genetic labs and the fancy drugs at way less than half the cost if we just get rid of the notion that someone else should pay the bill. That little part alone drives up the cost by 50 percent and then while we're at it, get rid of lawsuits and medical malpractice and liability insurance that costs $200,000 per year PER practitioner in the medical field and you put that money into research and we can cure many of the incurable diseases we have running around today. The wealth is going to buildings full of people with overpaid executives with jets and double comma salaries. Let's spread THAT wealth around.

Who do you think pays for my health insurance?

346 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:51:57am
347 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:53:01am

re: #342 UncleRancher

That's all fine. I hope some of it happens, unfortunately we're headed in the exact opposite direction at the moment.

348 UncleRancher  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:54:35am

re: #345 OldLineTexan

Who do you think pays for my health insurance?

You already pay for it. If your employer pays for it, that takes money that could go for salaries. If you work for the government you pay for it in taxes. If you don't work for anyone and pay for it yourself, my hat is off for you.

Government health care takes the business away from a profit motivated private company with certain efficiencies, and puts it in the government with no profit motive and absolutely no efficiencies. You will lose. We all will lose.

349 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:55:28am
350 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:56:02am

re: #348 UncleRancher

You already pay for it. If your employer pays for it, that takes money that could go for salaries. If you work for the government you pay for it in taxes. If you don't work for anyone and pay for it yourself, my hat is off for you.

Government health care takes the business away from a profit motivated private company with certain efficiencies, and puts it in the government with no profit motive and absolutely no efficiencies. You will lose. We all will lose.

Damned straight I pay for it.

It's part of my remuneration.

At this point in time, it's not taxed. Of course, Obamacare will FIX that problem.

351 UncleRancher  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:59:08am

re: #350 OldLineTexan

Damned straight I pay for it.

It's part of my remuneration.

At this point in time, it's not taxed. Of course, Obamacare will FIX that problem.

Would you rather have the "insurance" or would you rather have the money in our own medical savings account, under your own ownership, controlled by you, and on your property list to be passed along to those in your last will and testament when you are finished with it?

352 lazardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 5:59:28am

re: #334 OldLineTexan

AARP's not an organization of old people.

It's a COLLECTION of old people.

/cue Twilight Zone music
/IT'S A COOKBOOK!

No, they're an invading force the likes of which America has never seen!

/see "Gray Dawn."

353 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:00:10am

Re-posting this from another thread last night since the topic came up (What the "Audit the Fed" legislation is and is not about) but the thread was already gasping by the time I put this together. Since I put the effort in, maybe someone here is interested. Oh... and good morning all.

Info on HR 1207 (Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009)...

From OpenCongress


Year after year in Congress, Rep. Ron Paul [R, TX-14] has introduced a bill to abolish the Fed (H.R. 833). Though the bill has a dedicated network of citizen supporters – see the End the Fed network – it has never made any legislative progress or gained a single co-sponsor.

This year, however, Paul has introduced a toned-down version, along with the original, that is gaining co-sponsors quickly and could actually get a vote this session — the Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009. The co-sponsor list, currently at 58, is strongly bipartisan. It includes progressive Democrats like Rep. Alan Grayson [D, FL-8] and Rep. Henry Waxman [D, CA-30], Blue Dogs like Rep. Gene Taylor [D, MS-4] and Rep. Collin Peterson [D, MN-7], and conservatives like Rep. Michele Bachmann [R, MN-6] and Rep. Scott Garrett [R, NJ-5].

Far from ending the Fed, the bill calls for a full Government Accountability Office (GAO) audit of the central bank to be completed before the end of 2010 and submitted to Congress for review.

Current U.S. Code protects the Fed’s secrecy in several important areas (31 USC 714 – Sec. 714):

Audits of the Federal Reserve Board and Federal reserve banks may not include – (1) transactions for or with a foreign central bank, government of a foreign country, or nonprivate international financing organization; (2) deliberations, decisions, or actions on monetary policy matters, including discount window operations, reserves of member banks, securities credit, interest on deposits, and open market operations; (3) transactions made under the direction of the Federal Open Market Committee; or (4) a part of a discussion or communication among or between members of the Board of Governors and officers and employees of the Federal Reserve System related to clauses (1)-(3) of this subsection.

All of these barriers to access would be eliminated by Rep. Paul’s bill.

In the past year or so, the Federal Reserve has given banks more than $2 trillion in loan guarantees in an attempt to forestall the economic crisis. But information on where all this money has gone and what kind of securities the Fed has accepted in exchange is unavailable. Since the Fed is a quasi-public institution, they aren’t obliged to tell us, even though they are pushing around public money. “The contrast is pretty clear,” says Sen. Bernard Sanders [I, VT], who is sponsoring the Senate version (S.604), “if you want to know who received the money under TARP, go to the website, it’s there. If you want to know who received the money from the Fed, it ain’t there.”


More on Govtrack here along with a nice Q&A page.

Updates, amendments, adds to co-sponsors list, etc. are accessible from the sites linked.

Happy reading all.

354 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:00:48am

re: #352 lazardo

No, they're an invading force the likes of which America has never seen!

/see "Gray Dawn."

Come to Florida.

355 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:00:55am

re: #344 Cannadian Club Akbar

She'll be on MSNBC soon enough. Sitting on Oberdouches lap.


or kneeling in front of him under the desk!

356 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:01:29am

re: #348 UncleRancher

Part of the cost of employing you is the amount of healthcare, which is directly figured from your salary.

Just like fining a company. Companies don't pay fines, they pass that along to the consumer. Cap and trade would accomplish the same thing.

357 WinterCat  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:01:54am

Krauthammer: The Moon We Left Behind
Bobibutu posted this link in the link viewer earlier. I think it is very worthy of a repost.

Does anyone else here share my opinion that we should not abandon the space program? I think we need to put MORE money into it rather than less. It aches to think that we have come so far for nothing. Since Regan, presidents since presidents have dropped the ball. Challenger, I believe, was the turning point. It seems that America has be come too timid to make further strides.

358 kawfytawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:02:03am

after 26 years in the military...my husband and I get tricare medical insurance...a gov't health plan. Many docs wont take it. It pays pennies on the dollar aka "usual and customary" price. If a lab fee is billed at 130.00 it is paid at around 25.00...this drives up the cost of these lab fees so that those who pay out of pocket cover the discrepancy.

We pay out of pocket for another insurance so we have a better choice in doctors...this will not be available when/if this bill is enacted.

359 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:02:09am

re: #288 UncleRancher

Anybody catch Barbara Boxer getting reamed yesterday?

Yes, and did you notice that she did not lecture him about using the term "Ma'me" like she did the General?

360 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:03:07am

Know what the scary thing is about Social Security, or up here CPP(Canada Pension Plan)? The government has known it would be running out of money for decades. I was informed about this back in 81 by a school teacher. All she did was look at the numbers from the baby boom and gen x, (of course it wasn't called gen x at the time). She said that there was no way the younger generation would be able to pay for the older generation. Not enough bodies paying in when all the older ones started retiring. Of course this wasn't taking into account the lengthening of life expectancy. No more 3 score and 7 years, or whatever it says in the bible. With people living to their eighties the Bob Hope generation is also draining the coffers faster then expected with the soon to be retiring boomers.

361 UncleRancher  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:03:18am

re: #359 3 wood

Yes, and did you notice that she did not lecture him about using the term "Ma'me" like she did the General?

You're RIGHT. I didn't notice. Maybe he did get under her skin a little. Good on him.

362 WinterCat  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:03:24am

re: #357 WinterCat

363 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:04:23am

re: #358 kawfytawk

after 26 years in the military...my husband and I get tricare medical insurance...a gov't health plan. Many docs wont take it. It pays pennies on the dollar aka "usual and customary" price. If a lab fee is billed at 130.00 it is paid at around 25.00...this drives up the cost of these lab fees so that those who pay out of pocket cover the discrepancy.

We pay out of pocket for another insurance so we have a better choice in doctors...this will not be available when/if this bill is enacted.

I have tricare also, but mine pays great and everyone seems to take it?

364 kawfytawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:06:28am

re: #363 Nevergiveup

I do not live near a base and I think that may be why...but if I want to see a dermatologist for example...I have to go to a city about 45 miles away...which happens to have a military base and large military population.

365 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:07:13am
366 Spider Mensch  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:07:35am

re: #354 Cannadian Club Akbar

Come to Florida.


some comedian , name I can't remember, had coined the phrase " Florida! Heavens waiting room"
/mean, but slightly amusing.

367 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:08:03am

re: #288 UncleRancher

Anybody catch Barbara Boxer getting reamed yesterday?
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

I had not. Thanks for that. Made my day.

368 UncleRancher  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:08:13am

re: #356 rightside

Part of the cost of employing you is the amount of healthcare, which is directly figured from your salary.

Just like fining a company. Companies don't pay fines, they pass that along to the consumer. Cap and trade would accomplish the same thing.

Yes, I'm well aware of these costs. I employ several people and pay for their medical "insurance". If I could take the $800+ dollars a MONTH per employee and put that into medical savings accounts for them beginning when they are young and healthy, they could afford to pay for any medical procedure on the books by the time they need it, AND they would OWN the money AND the interest on the account.

369 kawfytawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:09:50am

re: #363 Nevergiveup

oh and I use standard...and a network doc...payouts are the same no matter what ...it is paid as usual and customary. Because I use a network doc...I don't have to pay the difference though.

370 legalpad  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:11:11am

re: #339 NJDhockeyfan

My mom has become a left-wing moonbat over the years. She's totally in the tank for O and gets her news from The View and Oprah. She has a subscription to AARP magazine as well. I tried to tell her about Obamacare but she doesn't want to here it. I was hoping AARP would figure out that the elderly would get thrown under the bus with this new health care bill but I guess not.

Ideology comes before everything, apparently including life itself, for the AARP, and for a lot of people. Then when they change their ideology they pretend it was never any different. It's just boring.

371 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:11:17am

re: #368 UncleRancher

Yes, I'm well aware of these costs. I employ several people and pay for their medical "insurance". If I could take the $800+ dollars a MONTH per employee and put that into medical savings accounts for them beginning when they are young and healthy, they could afford to pay for any medical procedure on the books by the time they need it, AND they would OWN the money AND the interest on the account.

That why I go with a high deductible plan with HSA. Smartest move I ever made.

372 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:11:26am

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood.

I sat on the porch earlier and waved to all my neighbors going to work.

Have at it, suckas.

373 UncleRancher  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:14:56am

Damn. I have to quit talking about this stuff. Now I have to go take my blood pressure meds.

Then I'm going to get outside and smell the fresh air and feed the livestock. It's been fun. Write your congressman today. This is an emergency.

re: #371 unreconstructed rebel

That why I go with a high deductible plan with HSA. Smartest move I ever made.

Enjoy it while you can. That one is off the table in the new plan too.

374 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:15:23am

I'm gonna be up front about this and say (again?) that about the one thing keeping me from supporting a National Health Care plan is essentially "Why should I have to pay for and stand behind someone who deliberately fucked up his life through smoking, overeating, etc.?"

375 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:15:25am

I had a lump in my throat years ago. Had cash for the doctor (ear,nose,throat) and still had to wait 2 weeks to see him. Obama care should speed that right up.
/

376 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:17:39am

re: #329 UncleRancher

When I was young we didn't have health "insurance". The doctor was the most affluent and respected person in the community, and he took care of everybody's needs whether they could pay or not. Of those who did pay, some paid with money, others with corn or chickens.

Tell me what was wrong with that system?

... and he made house calls.

377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:17:58am

re: #375 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have a lump in my throat reading about that. And a knot in my stomach.

378 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:18:40am

re: #375 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had a lump in my throat years ago. Had cash for the doctor (ear,nose,throat) and still had to wait 2 weeks to see him. Obama care should speed that right up.
/

Pray to the Almighty that you never get a detached retina under Obamacare.

379 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:19:41am

re: #375 Cannadian Club Akbar

Gaaah. They found my lump a month ago. We start chemo/radiation therapy Tuesday the 21st. Took that long to do chest xray, mri ct. PET scan and develop aplan of attack.

380 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:19:49am

re: #329 UncleRancher

When I was young we didn't have health "insurance". The doctor was the most affluent and respected person in the community, and he took care of everybody's needs whether they could pay or not. Of those who did pay, some paid with money, others with corn or chickens.

Tell me what was wrong with that system?

The insurance companies refused to accept corn or chickens as payment for ridiculously high malpractice insurance premiums for one thing...

381 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:20:15am

re: #376 unreconstructed rebel

...and often advised unusual treatments, as well as refusing to serve people of color.

/cynicism, my cure for EVERYTHING.

382 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:20:24am

Socialized Medicine Through the Eyes of a Recipient

An interview you wont see on Diane Sawyer (D), Matt Lauer (D), Katie Couric (D), Charlie Gibson (D) or any of the Sunday political shows, or on any of the pro-DNC media outlets.

383 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:20:27am

re: #378 unreconstructed rebel

So we should hope our tax bills aren't eye-popping?

384 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:21:15am

re: #379 pingjockey

Gaaah. They found my lump a month ago. We start chemo/radiation therapy Tuesday the 21st. Took that long to do chest xray, mri ct. PET scan and develop aplan of attack.

Sorry to hear that pingjockey. God be with you & get well soon.

385 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:21:39am

re: #382 FrogMarch

"Probably a shill for the big insurance companies! Of course people die under a socialized system, like, I don't know, through fatal accidents? or just suddenly via a heart attack?"

/half

386 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:21:43am

re: #378 unreconstructed rebel

My father suffered a detached retina a few years back and got in to see the doctor right away. That was in Canada, btw. The fact is, our experiences with the medical system up here varies a lot.

387 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:22:01am

re: #379 pingjockey

Gaaah. They found my lump a month ago. We start chemo/radiation therapy Tuesday the 21st. Took that long to do chest xray, mri ct. PET scan and develop aplan of attack.

And in Canada you would still be waiting to see a specialist.

388 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:22:28am

re: #381 laZardo

...and often advised unusual treatments, as well as refusing to serve people of color.

/cynicism, my cure for EVERYTHING.

That was not true in my neck of the woods.

389 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:22:35am

Iran protests heating up again...
Iran Uprising Blogging: Latest Updates

390 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:22:49am

Obama has tough-love message for African-Americans

BlahBlahBlah.

I love the last line.

"The same people who miserably failed in the White House now want you to hand the keys to the statehouse to them. No way!" Corzine said.

Bwhaaahaaahaaahaaa!

391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:22:56am

re: #378 unreconstructed rebel

or get old...

392 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:23:04am

re: #378 unreconstructed rebel

Pray to the Almighty that you never get a detached retina under Obamacare.


you would get a government issued eye patch with nobamas picture on it. arrrgh

393 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:23:15am

re: #379 pingjockey

Gaaah. They found my lump a month ago. We start chemo/radiation therapy Tuesday the 21st. Took that long to do chest xray, mri ct. PET scan and develop aplan of attack.

Mine was nothing, but it was there for 4 total weeks before seeing the DR. Good luck to you!! Prayers, as always.

394 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:24:32am

re: #379 pingjockey

{ping} My prayers and best wishes for you.

395 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:24:34am

re: #364 kawfytawk

I do not live near a base and I think that may be why...but if I want to see a dermatologist for example...I have to go to a city about 45 miles away...which happens to have a military base and large military population.

I also know there are different levels of tricare. Some offer more freedom than others. Mine allows the family to go out of network.

396 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:24:44am

re: #384 unreconstructed rebel

The docs are very confident we can zap this thing. I am 50 and the doc was laughing, "I've never had a linebacker in here for chemo"! So being in good shape helps. Can't say it was me. The last two jobs have been manual labor intensive and I'd already dropped 3 pant sizes before this popped up!

397 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:24:45am

re: #379 pingjockey

They've got you on a plan now at least. Praying for you.

398 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:26:16am
399 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:26:28am

re: #386 Kenneth

My father suffered a detached retina a few years back and got in to see the doctor right away. That was in Canada, btw. The fact is, our experiences with the medical system up here varies a lot.

My brother-in-law suffered one while living in Italy. Firstly, they were way too late & secondly, the surgeon fucked up the repair. He lost the eye and had no recourse to go after the incompetent, surgeon gov't employee.

400 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:27:00am

re: #388 unreconstructed rebel

I had an airboat joke there, but I suddenly forgot or decided not to use it.

/airboats are cool, btw.

//need my usual cynicism shot, brb.

401 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:27:06am

So, can we look forward to another day of Sotomayor pretending that she's Scalia?

402 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:27:20am

re: #379 pingjockey

Gaaah. They found my lump a month ago. We start chemo/radiation therapy Tuesday the 21st. Took that long to do chest xray, mri ct. PET scan and develop aplan of attack.

Well hang in there and let us know if you need anything

403 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:27:55am
404 kawfytawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:28:15am

re: #395 Nevergiveup

Yeah...I have standard...which allows me greater choice...if they take it ;o)

If they don't ...my end around is paying up front and billing tricare myself...but at that point I do have to pay the difference because the doc and tricare have no agreement.

405 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:28:27am

re: #397 SasquatchOnSteroids
Thanks to ALL the lizards and their prayers. Our good friend RW could use them more than me right now. So please, please think of him too, please.

406 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:28:40am

re: #378 unreconstructed rebel

Pray to the Almighty that you never get a detached retina under Obamacare.

Why is that?

407 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:29:01am

re: #386 Kenneth

My father suffered a detached retina a few years back and got in to see the doctor right away. That was in Canada, btw. The fact is, our experiences with the medical system up here varies a lot.

I have advancing RP (retinitis pigmentosa) and have no confidence that any public health system in the US will give a rat's patootie about care.

408 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:29:19am

re: #405 pingjockey

Being an atheist, I can't exactly offer prayers.

I can however hope that you guys recover before "Obamacare" gets fully instituted.

409 kawfytawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:29:26am

re: #405 pingjockey

Thanks to ALL the lizards and their prayers. Our good friend RW could use them more than me right now. So please, please think of him too, please.

will do

410 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:29:59am

re: #403 buzzsawmonkey

Nothing rivals that old clip (I'm sure you've seen it?) of Hillary putting on an Aunt Mamie voice for some gathering a few years back. Priceless. I still can't help but smile everytime I think of it.

411 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:30:35am

re: #403 buzzsawmonkey

If anyone heard Obama's speech to the NAACP--it is interesting, is it not, that his voice takes on Sharptonian cadences when addressing that audience?

The One? ... a chameleon? ... nah

412 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:30:45am

re: #404 kawfytawk

Yeah...I have standard...which allows me greater choice...if they take it ;o)

If they don't ...my end around is paying up front and billing tricare myself...but at that point I do have to pay the difference because the doc and tricare have no agreement.

So far I guess we've been lucky. Either they are all taking it or taking it as a courtesy to me?

413 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:31:13am
414 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:31:25am

re: #403 buzzsawmonkey

If anyone heard Obama's speech to the NAACP--it is interesting, is it not, that his voice takes on Sharptonian cadences when addressing that audience?

Hmmm... I was actually thinking of Jeremiah Wright but Sharpton works too.

415 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:31:51am
416 kawfytawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:31:51am

re: #412 Nevergiveup

do you live near a military installation...or some place with a large population of retired military?

417 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:32:06am

re: #403 buzzsawmonkey

I just noticed the same thing. For some reason speakers take on that cadence in front of black audiences. It comes off much worse when white speakers do it.

418 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:32:22am

re: #406 Creeping Eruption

Why is that?

A detached retina does not wait. Also, see my #399 for an anecdote.

419 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:33:00am
420 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:33:10am

re: #416 kawfytawk

do you live near a military installation...or some place with a large population of retired military?

No not really. I live in NJ.

421 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:33:56am

Towercam is on the fritz at the moment.

422 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:33:57am

re: #418 unreconstructed rebel

A detached retina does not wait. Also, see my #399 for an anecdote.

Its the wait. I was just wondering if there was something specific about Ophthalmology in the proposed bills that raised your hackles.

423 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:33:58am

re: #419 buzzsawmonkey

I guess, then, that it came off only half badly when Obama did it.

You bad.

424 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:34:42am

re: #417 Killgore Trout

I just noticed the same thing. For some reason speakers take on that cadence in front of black audiences. It comes off much worse when white speakers do it.

You don't mean Algore, do ya?

425 kawfytawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:34:51am

re: #420 Nevergiveup

I don't have problems with my family practice doc or the hospital...it's more the specialties (like orthopedics, dermatology etc) we have to travel for.

426 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:35:26am
427 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:35:29am

re: #421 Ojoe
BIG TOWER CAM is RIPPING US OFF!

428 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:35:30am

NEW YORK — Starbucks Corp. said Thursday it is wiping its name from one of its Seattle-area stores and adding alcohol to the menu.

The Seattle-based gourmet coffee chain said it is changing the name of one of its existing stores in its hometown to a name that reflects the neighborhood location. The store will be called 15th Avenue Coffee and Tea. It will open next week and will serve coffee and tea as well as wine and beer.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I can't wait till they open some of those on the NJ Turnpike and start serving booze?

429 Spider Mensch  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:36:00am

re: #403 buzzsawmonkey

If anyone heard Obama's speech to the NAACP--it is interesting, is it not, that his voice takes on Sharptonian cadences when addressing that audience?

he's a chameleon, he's white in front of his white audiences, black for the black audiences, muslim infront of the muslims, christian in front of the christians...he's everyman to everybody, citizen of the world! The perfect candidate...problem is he looks good, sounds good, but he's not got "It". he's not as smart as he thinks he is, and quite frankly he's full of shit all of the time...wow! that does make him the perfect politician, just not a good president. in fact he's pretty much a disaster...the only hope is that he'll only be a one termer..but I'm not betting on that..too many stupid voters out there still.

430 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:36:14am

Good Morning Lizards!
It's Friday! How is everyone today?

431 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:36:19am

re: #25 zombie

Did I miss anything? I stepped away from the computer for the last 6 hours, but now I'm afraid to look at the IntraWebs, lest I discover I'm Public Enemy #1, or, worse, some lunatic has claimed authorship of my stuff.

Can I just drop the whole "zombie" thing and start over? How about..."mummy" this time? Vampire?

How about "librarian"? I saw this silly movie last night about the King Vampire summoning an army of zombies to take over the world, and they were defeated by this nerdy librarian. Not as good as "Shaun of the Dead"

432 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:36:23am

Some useful facts about the Canadian medicare system:


In 2003, the Government in Canada spent $2,998 USD per capita on healthcare as compared to $5,711 USD per capita in the United States.

Currently in Ontario, people who earn salaries above $20,000 must pay an annual health care premium ranging from $300–$900. Funding for medicare in Ontario also comes in part from a dedicated Employer Health Tax (EHT) that ranges from 0.98%-1.95% of employer payroll.

It isn't free. We pay for it with our taxes. There are some services which are not covered. Many Canadians have additional private medical insurance to cover the things not paid for by Medicare, such as dental, drugs, & optometry and many forms of specialized therapy. While Obama is attempting to bring in a single payer system, several Canadian provinces have been moving to a mixed system of public & private health care.

In many parts of the country, it is difficult to find a family physician or a pediatrician who will accept new patients.


The Top Ten Things People Believe About Canadian Health Care, But Shouldn't

433 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:36:48am

re: #396 pingjockey

The docs are very confident we can zap this thing. I am 50 and the doc was laughing, "I've never had a linebacker in here for chemo"! So being in good shape helps. Can't say it was me. The last two jobs have been manual labor intensive and I'd already dropped 3 pant sizes before this popped up!

How you doin'?

You're in my prayers. Sounds like you've got a good team and a great attitude.

434 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:36:59am

re: #429 Spider Mensch

he's a chameleon, he's white in front of his white audiences, black for the black audiences, muslim infront of the muslims, christian in front of the christians...he's everyman to everybody, citizen of the world! The perfect candidate...problem is he looks good, sounds good, but he's not got "It". he's not as smart as he thinks he is, and quite frankly he's full of shit all of the time...wow! that does make him the perfect politician, just not a good president. in fact he's pretty much a disaster...the only hope is that he'll only be a one termer..but I'm not betting on that..too many stupid voters out there still.

But he does look stylin' in his Mom jeans.

435 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:37:20am
436 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:37:22am

Gotta run. Y'all have a fantastic weekend.

437 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:37:44am

re: #430 HoosierHoops

Morning Hoops!

438 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:37:59am

AP Funny Headline of the day.

"GOP Senators weigh options for Sotomayer"

439 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:38:07am

re: #428 Nevergiveup

NEW YORK — Starbucks Corp. said Thursday it is wiping its name from one of its Seattle-area stores and adding alcohol to the menu.

The Seattle-based gourmet coffee chain said it is changing the name of one of its existing stores in its hometown to a name that reflects the neighborhood location. The store will be called 15th Avenue Coffee and Tea. It will open next week and will serve coffee and tea as well as wine and beer.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I can't wait till they open some of those on the NJ Turnpike and start serving booze?

Many states are closing rest areas on I-95 because of budget cuts. Keep those knees closed.

440 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:38:18am

re: #425 kawfytawk

I don't have problems with my family practice doc or the hospital...it's more the specialties (like orthopedics, dermatology etc) we have to travel for.

Gotcha. I just hope if this ridiculous Obama health ever actually happens that they don't mess with Tricare.

441 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:39:25am

re: #433 doppelganglander
Not too bad. I'm anxious to get started. One side affect of this thing is that the tmor pushes on the nerves up to my ear and it feels like a 6 yr old has his fist stuffed in there. Smarts like hell!

442 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:39:40am

re: #396 pingjockey

The docs are very confident we can zap this thing. I am 50 and the doc was laughing, "I've never had a linebacker in here for chemo"! So being in good shape helps. Can't say it was me. The last two jobs have been manual labor intensive and I'd already dropped 3 pant sizes before this popped up!

I think you can beat it too, it's apparent with your positive attitude. sock it in da chin and be well!

443 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:39:41am

re: #399 unreconstructed rebel

My brother-in-law suffered one while living in Italy. Firstly, they were way too late & secondly, the surgeon fucked up the repair. He lost the eye and had no recourse to go after the incompetent, surgeon gov't employee.

That's awful. A friend of mine had a detached retina while living in Spain (both our husbands were in the Navy). She had to be flown up to Germany for the surgery, and spent a month flat on her back, but the procedure went well. She does have some loss of peripheral vision in that eye, but she can still drive and everything. Military medicine, in my experience, is very good.

444 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:39:48am

re: #435 buzzsawmonkey

Never underestimate the Dewey Decimate System.

Hmmm, "Conan the Librarian"? "You don't know the Dewey Decimal System? (strong austrian accent of course)

/UHF a great comedy.

445 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:39:53am

re: #439 Cannadian Club Akbar

Many states are closing rest areas on I-95 because of budget cuts. Keep those knees closed.

Really what States?

446 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:39:58am

Good morning y'all - from a warm (81 degrees, going up to 90 degrees,with the usual heavy T-Storms etc this afternoon and evening) but now sunny and Carolina Blue Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?

447 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:40:20am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the campaigner in chief was in NJ trying to prop up the dead wood formerly known as Jon Corzine. He was a prop for Obama, and the appearance had nothing to do with bolstering Corzine or his fading chances, but rather was a campaign stop to try and get people to buy into his baffling BS that the health care proposals would save money in the long run, which is contradicted by the CBO's own analysis, showing that all of the plans will end up hitting taxpayers up for even more money that they don't have.

It's smoke and mirrors, and it's what Obama does best. He isn't commanding or leading. He's campaigning. It's all he knows how to do since he has never had executive level experience at any point in his life. So, he's spending his time politicking and trying to convince people that we must take immediate action on a problem that isn't the problem that Obama and his fellow Democrats make it out to be.

By that, I mean the Democrats conflate access to health care with the cost of that care. Everyone in the US has access to health care. People may balk at the cost of that care, but the President's plans do not reduce the costs. Instead, they spread those costs out across all taxpayers, meaning that taxpayers will still higher bills at the end of the day - higher tax bills, and higher health care bills because cost containment isn't going to happen. If cost containment was a possibility, Massachussets and other states that have imposed their own brand of universal health care wouldn't be suffering from deficits and need to severely scale back their plans because of budgetary constraints.

448 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:40:23am

re: #407 Pianobuff

I find it hard to argue against your skepticism. From my experience in Canada, the doctors & nurses usually care, you usually get the treatment you need and you usually have to wait longer than you want. Sometimes you get lousy treatment. You have very little choice or control in the matter of the quality of treatment.

449 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:40:46am

re: #429 Spider Mensch

he's a chameleon, he's white in front of his white audiences, black for the black audiences, muslim infront of the muslims, christian in front of the christians...he's everyman to everybody, citizen of the world! The perfect candidate...problem is he looks good, sounds good, but he's not got "It". he's not as smart as he thinks he is, and quite frankly he's full of shit all of the time...wow! that does make him the perfect politician, just not a good president. in fact he's pretty much a disaster...the only hope is that he'll only be a one termer..but I'm not betting on that..too many stupid voters out there still.

President Zelig.

450 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:41:09am

re: #405 pingjockey

Thanks to ALL the lizards and their prayers. Our good friend RW could use them more than me right now. So please, please think of him too, please.


how is RW? I missed him yesterday :>(

451 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:41:17am

re: #446 realwest

Good Morning {realwest}. Things are looking good up here north of the border. Just counting down the hours till the weekend. Probably be going to the beach tomorrow if it doesn't rain.

452 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:41:17am

re: #437 rightside

Morning Hoops!


Good Morning! Have any plans this weekend?

453 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:41:28am

Even mountain lions should not mess with Marines

Ex-Marine fights off mountain lion with a chainsaw

454 kawfytawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:41:39am

re: #434 Pianobuff

But he does look stylin' in his Mom Not Your Daughter's jeans.

C'mon ...get with the program ...they are called NYDJ...:O)
My girls just roll at the SNL skit about mom jeans and think that is me.

455 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:41:45am

re: #450 apachegunner

Ask him, he's here now!

456 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:41:53am

re: #445 Nevergiveup

Really what States?

Virginia, for one. Also I-66 & I-81. Roughly every other rest stop.

457 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:42:03am

re: #446 realwest

re: #430 HoosierHoops

Wondering if the "alternative" really is worse.

458 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:42:05am

And for all y'all that, like me, need a little boost to get ya going: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

459 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:42:14am

re: #448 Kenneth

I find it hard to argue against your skepticism. From my experience in Canada, the doctors & nurses usually care, you usually get the treatment you need and you usually have to wait longer than you want. Sometimes you get lousy treatment. You have very little choice or control in the matter of the quality of treatment.

And you went right to the heart of the problem "You have very little choice or control in the matter of the quality of treatment."

460 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:42:29am

re: #446 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a warm (81 degrees, going up to 90 degrees,with the usual heavy T-Storms etc this afternoon and evening) but now sunny and Carolina Blue Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?

Good Morning..Cloudy and overcast and cool in July..
Please sent sunrays RealWest!

461 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:42:35am

re: #446 realwest
Fine as the hair on a frogs butt! How're you doing my friend? BTW supposed to be 100 here in the Wenatchee Valley today! But...it's a dry heat. mwahahaha!

462 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:42:43am

re: #445 Nevergiveup

Really what States?

The ones with I-95. :) They mentioned it on my morning radio news, but I am nowhere near I-95 so I didn't pay much attention.

463 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:42:48am

re: #452 HoosierHoops

Yes, I am going to take Mrs. rightside out to dinner tomorrow for our 22nd wedding anniversary, then she'll join me at the range Sunday to sharpen her skills with various firearms.

464 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:42:52am
465 kawfytawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:43:32am

re: #463 rightside

Happy Anniversary! :O)

466 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:43:39am

re: #453 Desert Dog

Even mountain lions should not mess with Marines

Ex-Marine fights off mountain lion with a chainsaw

Chuck Norris will star in the movie.

467 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:43:43am

re: #420 Nevergiveup

No not really. I live in NJ.

Joisey? Oh Nooo. Go south young man go south!

468 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:43:50am

re: #451 BlueCanuck
Hey Blue! Hope the weather holds up for you so you can go beaching tomorrow and Sunday!

469 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:44:07am

Double standard, anyone?

The unswoon-worthy Latino

470 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:44:23am

re: #456 unreconstructed rebel

Virginia, for one. Also I-66 & I-81. Roughly every other rest stop.

So ya gotta carry a bottle to piss in?

471 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:44:30am

re: #452 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops - how are you today?

472 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:44:31am

re: #465 kawfytawk

thank you!

473 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:44:53am

Have fun y'all, gotta get to work and make lots of money (i hope)

474 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:45:00am

Commie, commie, commie, commie, commie Chameleon,
He comes and goes
He comes and goes

475 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:45:07am

re: #428 Nevergiveup I've got Baileys in my starbucks coffee right now, as we speak.

476 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:45:09am

re: #463 rightside

Yes, I am going to take Mrs. rightside out to dinner tomorrow for our 22nd wedding anniversary, then she'll join me at the range Sunday to sharpen her skills with various firearms.


congradulations1 22 years..Awesome
/are you sure you want her to able to shoot? What if you piss her off? *wink*

477 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:45:11am
478 kawfytawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:45:33am

re: #453 Desert Dog

Even mountain lions should not mess with Marines

Ex-Marine fights off mountain lion with a chainsaw

I have to say, I have never taken a chainsaw camping...maybe I should start.

479 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:45:36am

re: #448 Kenneth

I find it hard to argue against your skepticism. From my experience in Canada, the doctors & nurses usually care, you usually get the treatment you need and you usually have to wait longer than you want. Sometimes you get lousy treatment. You have very little choice or control in the matter of the quality of treatment.

Problem with RP is that any curative or preventive treatment would be stuff that's still under development or to be developed. Frankly, I see R&D cutting back under a public system. Since the population of RP patients is small I suspect that R&D dollars would go elsewhere driven by an expectation that the public system wouldn't cover the new stuff anyway due to its potential expense.

480 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:46:23am

re: #470 Nevergiveup

So ya gotta carry a bottle to piss in?

Side of the road works for me. & I don't expect any crap from the cops.

/Going. Really going, now. Good weekend.

481 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:46:47am

re: #480 unreconstructed rebel

Cheers.

482 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:47:22am

re: #430 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops, good to seeya. Bought the kid a Dell Insperion last night. The Intel dual-processor, 2.1 gig, did the trick. Kid was still up, all night on the puter, when I left for work this a.m.

483 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:47:23am

re: #461 pingjockey
Hey ((ping)) I'd love to but it's not under my control, damnit! LOL!
How are you doing today?

484 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:47:27am

re: #361 UncleRancher

You're RIGHT. I didn't notice. Maybe he did get under her skin a little. Good on him.


If that had been a Republican pulling that crap and lecturing a minority veteran like that, it would have led every news broadcast last night.

But since it was a screaming liberal Democrat, it's buried.

485 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:47:28am

re: #471 realwest

Hey Hoops - how are you today?

I'm doing great bro.. It's Friday..Drinking coffee and eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for breakfast...Yes I know I'm weird..
How you doing Realwest?

486 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:47:28am

re: #385 laZardo

"Probably a shill for the big insurance companies! Of course people die under a socialized system, like, I don't know, through fatal accidents? or just suddenly via a heart attack?"

/half

Funny - After Big Daddy Government becomes the only insurance company - What will the proggies do when they realize the shitty single payer system they wanted so desperately doesn't quite work for them, either?

487 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:47:55am

re: #463 rightside

Yes, I am going to take Mrs. rightside out to dinner tomorrow for our 22nd wedding anniversary, then she'll join me at the range Sunday to sharpen her skills with various firearms.

.22 rifles are the traditional 22nd anniversary gift.

488 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:48:06am

Later folks. I owe I owe it's off to work I go!

489 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:48:37am

Man, do y'all realize how hard it is to type while listening to great music - all I do is bop around in my chair to this: (toin up your speakers:

490 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:49:06am

re: #486 FrogMarch

"Well then, you could just add more funding to it! Better that the money tries to save lives at home than end them abroad!"

/oh yeah, they'll be saying that too.

491 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:49:17am

re: #482 apachegunner

Hey Hoops, good to seeya. Bought the kid a Dell Insperion last night. The Intel dual-processor, 2.1 gig, did the trick. Kid was still up, all night on the puter, when I left for work this a.m.

That's great...That's a good laptop

492 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:49:24am

re: #379 pingjockey

Gaaah. They found my lump a month ago. We start chemo/radiation therapy Tuesday the 21st. Took that long to do chest xray, mri ct. PET scan and develop aplan of attack.


You are in my prayers.

493 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:49:38am

re: #483 realwest
Pretty good. One job this morning, then off until all this uproar is resolved.
Will be back later. Replied to your last e-mail. Will see you all later.

494 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:49:52am

re: #476 HoosierHoops

congradulations1 22 years..Awesome
/are you sure you want her to able to shoot? What if you piss her off? *wink*

Thanks!

lol, yes I am sure. She bought her first pistol last year, and is quite an accurate shot. I want her to be able to defend herself against anyone who wishes to do harm to her, or any other member of our family.

495 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:50:15am

re: #463 rightside

Yes, I am going to take Mrs. rightside out to dinner tomorrow for our 22nd wedding anniversary, then she'll join me at the range Sunday to sharpen her skills with various firearms.

Sounds like a plan to me. Congrats and good luck. One of the Petty Officers at the NOSC has gun business/instructor/ access to a range. I am going to go shot with him so I can qualify as an expert ( I hope ).

496 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:50:30am

re: #487 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

*only from my cold, dead hands*

497 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:50:47am

re: #453 Desert Dog

Even mountain lions should not mess with Marines

Ex-Marine fights off mountain lion with a chainsaw

I keep picturing Evil Dead II.

498 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:50:49am

re: #446 realwest
Hey RW, just asking about ya how ya doing? Talked to the big guy in the sky about ya last night, he remembers you well :>)

499 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:50:58am

re: #479 Pianobuff

In terms of new technology or innovative treatment methods, Canada is at least 10 years behind the US, sometimes more. There are treatments now commonplace in throughout the US which are not available anywhere in Canada, or in a very few locations (which means long, long wait times). I know this from bitter personal experience.

500 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:51:03am

re: #475 apachegunner

I've got Baileys in my starbucks coffee right now, as we speak.

I started work at 6:00AM but I am done by 1:00 PM and might join ya then

501 kawfytawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:51:22am

re: #494 rightside

Thanks!

lol, yes I am sure. She bought her first pistol last year, and is quite an accurate shot. I want her to be able to defend herself against anyone who wishes to do harm to her, or any other member of our family.

what did she get?...I got my first gun too

502 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:51:31am

re: #485 HoosierHoops

PBJ for breakfast is normal. If you were having them for dinner, you would either be a.) lazy, b.) close to broke, or finally c.) weird. :)

503 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:52:00am

Trivia question that I don't have the answear to:

Do you know the name of the free aussie newspaper that was distributed to the troops in WWII? It's an 8-letter word.

(why? ...trying to help my daughter find the answer; it would buy a clue for her upcoming adventure race)

504 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:52:21am

re: #401 Lincolntf

So, can we look forward to another day of Sotomayor pretending that she's Scalia?

I think she's completed her dissembling, er, I mean her testimony.

505 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:52:46am

re: #489 realwest

linky no worky?

506 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:53:12am

re: #473 Desert Dog
Good morning Desert Dog! Were you perhaps referring to this: [Link: www.imeem.com...]
??

507 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:53:17am

re: #495 Nevergiveup

Thanks, Doc!

Are they still using the Beretta 9mm's as the standard sidearm? They had just changed over to those from ole' faithful, the 1911 .45 acp. I got my expert medal using the .45

Take your time, and make each shot count. Good luck in your pursuit of it.

508 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:53:28am

Uh-oh, another horror movie has jumped off the silver screen and into real-life.

Beware the ManBearSquid.

509 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:54:28am

re: #492 3 wood
Good morning my friend! How are you doing this morning?

510 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:54:53am

re: #485 HoosierHoops

I'm doing great bro.. It's Friday..Drinking coffee and eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for breakfast...Yes I know I'm weird..
How you doing Realwest?

Cold pizza and a glass of milk is my breakfast of choice.
The boy ? Well, I've taught him to forage.

511 kawfytawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:54:55am

re: #503 The Shadow Do

I have no clue...sorry

512 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:55:05am

re: #478 kawfytawk

I have to say, I have never taken a chainsaw camping...maybe I should start.


sounds like a marine doesn't it.

513 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:55:41am

re: #499 Kenneth

In terms of new technology or innovative treatment methods, Canada is at least 10 years behind the US, sometimes more. There are treatments now commonplace in throughout the US which are not available anywhere in Canada, or in a very few locations (which means long, long wait times). I know this from bitter personal experience.

Unfortunately, the US will probably slow down as well. With a public plan, I could easily see R&D be passively directed by bureaucrats since they would be essentially directing the marketplace instead letting consumers/producers/innovators do the things they naturally do. Who knows what kind of a market for R&D the bureaucrats will design?

514 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:55:44am

re: #507 rightside

Thanks, Doc!

Are they still using the Beretta 9mm's as the standard sidearm? They had just changed over to those from ole' faithful, the 1911 .45 acp. I got my expert medal using the .45

Take your time, and make each shot count. Good luck in your pursuit of it.

Well they are 9mm that I know. I am better with the M-16 that the M9. I'm still learning about guns.

515 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:55:52am

re: #499 Kenneth

Just consider the use of MRI systems in the US (per capita rates here). That chart also includes infant mortality rates, which don't take into account the fact that heroic measures given in the US means that those infants who would never have a chance of survival elsewhere are given a fighting chance, and not all of those manage to make it. That too affects the overall life expectancy.

516 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:55:53am

America’s Eastern European allies are pleading with the Obama

...administration “not to be forgotten”. It was signed by the revolutionaries of 1989 who wrote “Twenty years have passed since the revolutions of 1989. That is a whole generation. We need a new generation to renew the transatlantic partnership. A new program should be launched to identify those young leaders on both sides of the Atlantic who can carry forward the transatlantic project we have spent the last two decades building in Central and Eastern Europe.”

In the letter, the leaders urged President Obama and his top policy makers to remember their interests as they negotiate with Russia and review plans for missile defense bases in Poland and the Czech Republic. Abandoning the missile defense plan or giving Russia too big a role in it could “undermine the credibility of the United States across the whole region,” the letter said.

Washington's response to Eastern Europe: “You’re on your own, bub.”

517 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:56:15am
518 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:56:52am

re: #517 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, you're a doubting Thomas.

519 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:57:16am

re: #503 The Shadow Do

The Argus?

520 kawfytawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:57:23am

re: #503 The Shadow Do

maybe this website might be of help?

521 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:57:24am

re: #516 Kenneth

America’s Eastern European allies are pleading with the Obama

Washington's response to Eastern Europe: “You’re on your own, bub.”

FWIW, I'm pretty sure that Holdren (remember him?) is a pretty big opponent of missile defense systems.

522 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:57:45am

re: #428 Nevergiveup

I can't wait till they open some of those on the NJ Turnpike and start serving booze?


Irish coffee? I wonder if they will do that at the drive through?

523 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:57:45am

re: #500 Nevergiveup

I started work at 6:00AM but I am done by 1:00 PM and might join ya then


haha, instead of bellying up to da bar it would be a desk :>)

524 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:57:46am

re: #513 Pianobuff

Unfortunately, the US will probably slow down as well. With a public plan, I could easily see R&D be passively directed by bureaucrats since they would be essentially directing the marketplace instead letting consumers/producers/innovators do the things they naturally do. Who knows what kind of a market for R&D the bureaucrats will design?

"One where corporations don't profit off the slow deaths of their so-called 'customers!'"

/i speak the language frighteningly well...

525 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:57:51am
526 kawfytawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:58:09am

well gotta run...take care all

527 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:58:16am

re: #496 rightside
Hey rightside - 22 year anniversary? Whoa! Congratulations on finding a woman who'd put up with you for all these years!

528 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:58:34am

Miniature version of DARPA'a Big Dog (AKA Mule)
Latest LittleDog has no tether, autonomous, resembles vacuum cleaner

529 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:58:39am

re: #516 Kenneth

America’s Eastern European allies are pleading with the Obama

Washington's response to Eastern Europe: “You’re on your own, bub.”

Yeah some people out there in the "World" are gonna miss President Bush, especially when they need someone to get their backs.

530 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:59:17am

re: #510 SasquatchOnSteroids Good morning Sasquatch!
Say, when y'all get a chance could you check your e-mail?!
Hope you're well today!

531 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:59:30am

re: #522 3 wood

Irish coffee? I wonder if they will do that at the drive through?

I'll take a double

532 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:59:51am

re: #516 Kenneth

From Warsaw Pact to Washington Pact? Why would they want that?

/half

533 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 6:59:55am

re: #527 realwest

Hey rightside - 22 year anniversary? Whoa! Congratulations on finding a woman who'd put up with you for all these years!

HA! We have a 21st Anniversary today.

534 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:00:17am

re: #446 realwest

How is everyone doing today?

Doing great. How are you doing today?

535 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:00:58am

re: #527 realwest

Yeah, no kidding! I'm the lucky one!

536 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:01:18am

re: #533 OldLineTexan

Congrats to you!

537 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:01:20am

re: #513 Pianobuff

I know something about medical research in Canada. There is a lot of good research up here, but a good percentage of it is funded by US corporations. (There is also a healthy level of Canadian private investment and corporate funding, but that is predicated on the rewards of selling to the much larger US market.) If the market for innovative treatments is stifled in the US, then the money for research will dwindle. Add to that the effects of increased government regulation & control, and it's hard to see how medical research would improve under the Obamacare system. The opposite is more likely.

538 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:01:22am

re: #530 realwest

Good morning Sasquatch!
Say, when y'all get a chance could you check your e-mail?!
Hope you're well today!

Sure thing. BBIAB.

539 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:01:34am

re: #533 OldLineTexan

HA! We have a 21st Anniversary today.

Congrats to you also. Mrs. Nevergiveup and I have been married 25 years.

540 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:02:15am

re: #521 Pianobuff

FWIW, I'm pretty sure that Holdren (remember him?) is a pretty big opponent of missile defense systems.

Because missile defense is a science issue he is competent to speak on?

541 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:03:05am

re: #524 laZardo

"One where corporations don't profit off the slow deaths of their so-called 'customers!'"

/i speak the language frighteningly well...

Oh but you do!

I sometimes wonder if there will be this push towards cost-effective pain management strategies. You know, cheap zombification methods for patients with life-threatening diseases who aren't worth treating or, in your tongue, are categorized as "rehabilitatively non-productive".

542 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:03:20am

re: #476 HoosierHoops

congradulations1 22 years..Awesome
/are you sure you want her to able to shoot? What if you piss her off? *wink*

He's MARRIED ... she's been pissed off for 21 years and eleven months!

/

543 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:03:34am

re: #539 Nevergiveup

I married Mrs. Right. I was unaware at the time that her first name was always.

*rimshot*

544 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:03:40am

re: #536 rightside

Congrats to you!

Thanks! You want her?

/

545 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:04:04am

re: #529 Nevergiveup

Yeah some people out there in the "World" are gonna miss President Bush, especially when they need someone to get their backs.

Remember, when someone is patting you on the back he might be looking for a soft spot to stick a knife.

/half

546 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:04:06am

re: #544 OldLineTexan

No thanks, got one of my own, LOL

547 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:04:30am

re: #519 rightside

The Argus?

Maybe! Thanks

548 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:04:41am

re: #546 rightside

No thanks, got one of my own, LOL

C'mon, you can have four if you revert ...

/

549 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:05:02am

Question:

Daughter #2 is bringing her new boyfriend to our home for dinner tonight. When he comes to the table, should I:

1. Be cleaning my hunting rifle?
2. Be sharpening my Bowie knife?
3. Putting a razors edge on my broad heads for deer hunting?
4. All 3?

550 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:05:12am

re: #540 Kenneth

Because missile defense is a science issue he is competent to speak on?

This is the Obama Administration. Competence and experience has nothing to do with it.

551 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:05:38am

re: #520 kawfytawk

maybe this website might be of help?

Thanks! I'll check it out

552 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:05:54am

re: #548 OldLineTexan

Man, I have a hard enough time keeping one happy, I can't imagine four! That would be like...12 times a day!

553 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:05:58am

re: #549 3 wood

Question:

Daughter #2 is bringing her new boyfriend to our home for dinner tonight. When he comes to the table, should I:

1. Be cleaning my hunting rifle?
2. Be sharpening my Bowie knife?
3. Putting a razors edge on my broad heads for deer hunting?
4. All 3?

Depends. How old are they?

554 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:06:22am

re: #541 Pianobuff

They'd probably find one helluva creepy use for all those internet pervs.

Good thing I go to gym regularly...so this internet perv could turn into one of these.

555 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:06:23am

re: #529 Nevergiveup
Good morning to you! It ain't just Eastern Europe - I'm concerned about Israel and especially Western Europe where their socialized economic systems, already near the breaking point, wind up having to pay for their own damn defense (how's that fit in your budget there, Pierre?) cause the USA either can't or won't be able to provide for your military defenses.
Israel will be ok, though as she's always been on a war time footing and is ready to rock whenever she has to.

556 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:06:25am

re: #543 rightside

I married Mrs. Right. I was unaware at the time that her first name was always.

*rimshot*

Yeah those first few years of marriage were a little tense until I realized my wife was always right also.

557 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:06:25am

re: #552 rightside

Man, I have a hard enough time keeping one happy, I can't imagine four! That would be like...12 times a day!

You're going to end up in Hell for lying like that!

/

558 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:07:19am

re: #540 Kenneth

Because missile defense is a science issue he is competent to speak on?

It's pretty interesting reading this guy's papers and presentations. Often, they are policy papers that have some thread back to science. Some of his most prolific work is on non-prliferation.

I think when O said he was "bringing science back in the White House" this should have been a tip that guys like Holdren could have a huge influence on policy.

559 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:07:53am

re: #533 OldLineTexan
Really? Today is your 21st Anniversary? Hey there, Mazel Tov y'all! Great news!

560 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:08:06am

re: #549 3 wood

Question:

Daughter #2 is bringing her new boyfriend to our home for dinner tonight. When he comes to the table, should I:

1. Be cleaning my hunting rifle?
2. Be sharpening my Bowie knife?
3. Putting a razors edge on my broad heads for deer hunting?
4. All 3?

All 3 but also maybe you should be gutting a deer or something like that

561 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:08:07am

re: #463 rightside

Yes, I am going to take Mrs. rightside out to dinner tomorrow for our 22nd wedding anniversary, then she'll join me at the range Sunday to sharpen her skills with various firearms.

Congrats on the 22.

Mrs. 3 wood once told me that she will never divorce me...said she might shoot me, but never divorce me :)

562 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:08:15am

re: #549 3 wood
Just hand him this list:

Rule One:
If you pull into my driveway and honk you'd better be delivering a package, because you're sure not picking anything up.

Rule Two:
You do not touch my daughter in front of me. You may glance at her, so long as you do not peer at anything below her neck. If you cannot keep your eyes or hands off of my daughter's body, I will remove them.

Rule Three:
I am aware that it is considered fashionable for boys of your age to wear their trousers so loosely that they appear to be falling off their hips. Please don't take this as an insult, but you and all of your friends are complete idiots. Still, I want to be fair and open minded about this issue, so I propose his compromise: You may come to the door with your underwear showing and your pants ten sizes too big, and I will not object. However, in order to ensure that your clothes do not, in fact, come off during the course of your date with my daughter, I will take my electric nail gun and fasten your trousers securely in place to your waist.

Rule Four:
I'm sure you've been told that in today's world, sex without utilizing a "barrier method" of some kind can kill you. Let me elaborate, when it comes to sex, I am the barrier, and I will kill you.

Rule Five:
It is usually understood that in order for us to get to know each other, we should talk about sports, politics, and other issues of the day. Please do not do this. The only information I require from you is an indication of when you expect to have my daughter safely back at my house, and the only word I need from you on this subject is "early."

563 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:08:37am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

In order to distract the sheepish Brits from the rising death toll in Afghanistan (all due to NuLab's policies of letting the Armed forces down), we've been given these exiting news to ponder:

Britain prepares for 65,000 deaths from swine flu

Never mind that its only a projection by some (discredited) Government doctors - you've gotta admire the NuLab thinking: whats a few dead soldiers against those many dead Britons!

(Oh - and Cherie Blair has got Swine Flu as well, we're told ...)

564 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:09:23am

re: #549 3 wood

and the rest:

Rule Six:
I have no doubt you are a popular fellow, with many opportunities to date other girls. This is fine with me as long as it is okay with my daughter. Otherwise, once you have gone out with my little girl, you will continue to date no one but her until she is finished with you. If you make her cry, I will make you cry.

Rule Seven:
As you stand in my front hallway, waiting for my daughter to appear, and more than an hour goes by, do not sigh and fidget. If you want to be on time for the movie, you should not be dating. My daughter is putting on her makeup, a process that can take longer than painting the Golden Gate Bridge. Instead of just standing there, why don't you do something useful, like changing the oil in my car?

Rule Eight:
The following places are not appropriate for a date with my daughter: Places where there are beds, sofas, or anything softer than a wooden stool. Places where there are no parents, policemen, or nuns within eyesight. Places where there is darkness. Places where there is dancing, holding hands, or happiness. Places where the ambient temperature is warm enough to induce my daughter to wear shorts, tank tops, midriff T-shirts, or anything other than overalls, a sweater, and a goose down parka - zipped up to her throat. Movies with a strong romantic or sexual theme are to be avoided; movies which features chain saws are okay. Hockey games are okay. Old folks homes are better.

Rule Nine:
Do not lie to me. I may appear to be a potbellied, balding, middle-aged, dimwitted has-been. But on issues relating to my daughter, I am the all-knowing, merciless god of your universe. If I ask you where you are going and with whom, you have one chance to tell me the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I have a shotgun, a shovel, and five acres behind the house. Do not trifle with me.

Rule Ten:
Be afraid. Be very afraid. It takes very little for me to mistake the sound of your car in the driveway for a chopper coming in over a rice paddy near Hanoi. When my Agent Orange starts acting up, the voices in my head frequently tell me to clean the guns as I wait for you to bring my daughter home. As soon as you pull into the driveway you should exit your car with both hands in plain sight. Speak the perimeter password, announce in a clear voice that you have brought my daughter home safely and early, then return to your car - there is no need for you to come inside. The camouflaged face at the window is mine.

565 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:09:24am

re: #563 yma o hyd

{YMA} Good Morning!

566 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:10:10am

re: #534 3 wood
I'm doing pretty good I guess. Just laughing like hell about Bidens spending our way out of bankruptcy! Saw it again on F&F and haven't been able to stop chortling ever since!
GACK - what a bunch of unprepared, under-deprived elitist's we have governing us now!

567 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:10:18am

re: #561 3 wood

Thank you!

568 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:10:23am

re: #549 3 wood

Question:

Daughter #2 is bringing her new boyfriend to our home for dinner tonight. When he comes to the table, should I:

1. Be cleaning my hunting rifle?
2. Be sharpening my Bowie knife?
3. Putting a razors edge on my broad heads for deer hunting?
4. All 3?

All of the above

569 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:11:01am

re: #535 rightside
Well I don't know about that - from your comments out here, I'd say Mrs. rightside is pretty lucky, too!

570 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:11:07am

re: #490 laZardo

"Well then, you could just add more funding to it! Better that the money tries to save lives at home than end them abroad!"

/oh yeah, they'll be saying that too.

Predictably, yes. All of their talking points will stall out though, once the colossal failure of it all sets in. No worries- they always have a scapegoat.
/Blame Bush!

571 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:11:09am

Morning, Lizards! Here's a little article to give you a good laugh to start your day.
well it's funny but that sadly true.
FTA

Is there no end to the prowess of His Serene Highness, the Emperor Barack Hussein Obama II, Lord of the Flies, Protector of the Holy Cities of Honolulu and Chicago, and by the Grace of Gaia the 44th president of the United States? Whether it’s swatting a pesky fly at the White House, bowling a near-perfect 37 during the campaign, or shooting some pick-up hoops in between charming various foreign leaders out of their socks, it seems there’s nothing the Dear Leader and Teacher can’t do.
572 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:11:10am

re: #553 OldLineTexan

Depends. How old are they?

20

573 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:11:59am

re: #564 rightside

A friend of mine is in the process of memorizing those for when is daughter starts dating. Feel sorry for the kid. Most of her fathers friends are all former army. Of course she's been twisted a bit by his sense of humour.

574 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:12:15am

re: #565 HoosierHoops

{YMA} Good Morning!

Hiya, {HH}!
How are things, and how is Winston?
Is the weather nice?
It isn't here in South Wales!

575 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:12:44am

re: #562 rightside

I am glad you book marked this. It is one of my favorite

576 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:13:31am

re: #556 Nevergiveup

Yeah those first few years of marriage were a little tense until I realized my wife was always right also.

I always advise young guys I know getting married to learn how to say

1. "Yes, Dear"
2. "Your Right, Dear"
3. "It's my fault, Dear"

That solves a lot of problems.

577 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:14:05am

re: #573 BlueCanuck

A friend of mine is in the process of memorizing those for when is daughter starts dating. Feel sorry for the kid. Most of her fathers friends are all former army. Of course she's been twisted a bit by his sense of humour.

My 22 year old daughter who just graduated from college is having a party Saturday at our house for all her friends. Since I am on Duty this weekend, I'll coming home in Uniform. I think I'll keep it on.

578 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:14:22am

re: #549 3 wood
No...ask him what he thinks about cap and trade! I'm surprised at you, 3-wood! :-)

579 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:15:09am

re: #576 3 wood

I always advise young guys I know getting married to learn how to say

1. "Yes, Dear"
2. "Your Right, Dear"
3. "It's my fault, Dear"

That solves a lot of problems.

Exactly. And say it nicely no matter what!

580 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:15:14am

re: #576 3 wood

I always advise young guys I know getting married to learn how to say

1. "Yes, Dear"
2. "Your Right, Dear"
3. "It's my fault, Dear"

That solves a lot of problems.

Don't forget this one. "If ever in an argument with your wife, you are proven right, apologize immeadiately."

581 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:15:17am

re: #574 yma o hyd

Hiya, {HH}!
How are things, and how is Winston?
Is the weather nice?
It isn't here in South Wales!


No Sun today! Looking forward to the weekend..
Hope today finds you well

582 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:15:56am

re: #563 yma o hyd

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

In order to distract the sheepish Brits from the rising death toll in Afghanistan (all due to NuLab's policies of letting the Armed forces down), we've been given these exiting news to ponder:

Britain prepares for 65,000 deaths from swine flu

Never mind that its only a projection by some (discredited) Government doctors - you've gotta admire the NuLab thinking: whats a few dead soldiers against those many dead Britons!

(Oh - and Cherie Blair has got Swine Flu as well, we're told ...)

I'm not sure how you are connecting the report from the NHS and soldiers dying Afghanistan?

Are you saying you know for a fact that the Labor government has released this report in order to cover up other problems that they don't want the public to think about.

I saw nothing in the article that would support that concept, not even any commentary or opinion in the article that brings that thought up?

583 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:16:03am

re: #525 buzzsawmonkey

I'm just tired of Cardozing through the confirmation hearings.

I've Learned nothing that I didn't know before.

584 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:16:38am

Its been slippind below the radar in the western MFM - but the demos in iran are still going on.

Here's an update of what happened at today's Friday prayers.

Looks as if Rafsanjani is slowly coming out into the open, against Ahmadinejad and Khamenei ...

585 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:16:51am

re: #537 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth - hope you and yours are well today?!
And I read somewhere that US Drug companies spend twice as much on advertising as they do on research and development - I can't find the damn link, but was so startled by that news that I did check it out and it's true!
Wonder how much Canadian drug manufacturers spend on R&D vs. Advertising? I mean, down here, no matter what channel, y'all can count on at least 6 commercials per hour for PRESCRIPTION DRUGS - I reckon they want you to ask your doctor "is this something that would help me?" ("Why no, Mr. Realwest, you don't suffer from the 'monthly blues' you dumbass!" LOL!).

586 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:16:58am
587 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:17:03am

re: #581 HoosierHoops

HH

Ok, I got a chance to open the envelope from you. What is it you want me to do with the banknotes? You had some question, I think.

Sorry, I've been busy. I forgot what you asked.

588 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:17:32am

re: #570 FrogMarch

"It's all their fault that their tinkering of the system and the ideological buyout of the people made instituting the new health care system too little, too late! The only thing left now is to make a new system from the ground up!"

/because some animals are still more equal than others.

589 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:17:42am

Meagyn Kelly just ripped some liberal senator a new asshole about Obamacare on Fox. She is great.

590 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:18:08am

ain't this just peachy
wonder if these guys have broken any laws...expect more of the same


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

591 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:18:57am

re: #564 rightside

R

ule Seven:
As you stand in my front hallway, waiting for my daughter to appear, and more than an hour goes by, do not sigh and fidget. If you want to be on time for the movie, you should not be dating. My daughter is putting on her makeup, a process that can take longer than painting the Golden Gate Bridge. Instead of just standing there, why don't you do something useful, like changing the oil in my car?


True story: One young guy some time ago got tired of waiting so he just went upstairs looking for my daughter like he owned the place. It took me about 5 seconds to figure out he had done this. About 20 seconds after that he was flying out the front door like a drunk being thrown out of a bar in an old western movie.

Have not seen him since.

592 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:19:01am

re: #587 Walter L. Newton

HH

Ok, I got a chance to open the envelope from you. What is it you want me to do with the banknotes? You had some question, I think.

Sorry, I've been busy. I forgot what you asked.

Isn't the Chinese notes weird? Only a serial number...No dates..Do you think they are old?

593 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:19:07am

re: #590 albusteve

ain't this just peachy
wonder if these guys have broken any laws...expect more of the same

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

As i said earlier about this, alot of shitty stuff coming out of Chicago lately

594 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:19:42am

re: #541 Pianobuff
Good morning! Hey, "rehabilitatively non-productive" is how Obama's new health plan would label me, so let's not give 'em any ideas (though they sure could use a few clues about other things!)/

595 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:19:46am

re: #303 rightside

Iowahawk is so damn funny!

I loved that bit about the justices making menudo together

Think of the Constitution as our base ingredient: a bland, tasteless broth of boiled white tripe. Doesn't sound so tempting, does it? Now here's where the fun comes in: all of the cooks gather in the cocina and bring their own special secret ingredients to the mix. Souter salts the pot and Roberts adds Wonder Bread and mayonnaise; Breyer the lox and cream cheese. Thomas drops in fried chicken, and Alito and Scalia spaghetti. Now here comes Kennedy with corned beef and potatoes. Stevens adds the Metamucil. Now we're cooking! Finally, I stir in my special picante blend of Latina legal spices. What started as a boring simple broth is now a delicious crazy justice stew -- that tastes different every time!

596 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:20:45am

re: #585 realwest

It's probably about the same up here. Most "Canadian" drug companies are multinationals anyway. Developing new drugs is such a capital intensive business only the big companies can do it. We do have a relatively large generic drug company, Apotex, who make their profit selling copies of drugs no-longer under patent protection.

597 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:21:10am

re: #580 BlueCanuck

Don't forget this one. "If ever in an argument with your wife, you are proven right, apologize immeadiately."

Hint for presidents, though - use this advice with your wife, but not with the leaders of other nations.

598 ladycatnip  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:21:41am

Radical jihadist islamic group having a recruiting conference here on our soil. It's called The Fall of Capitalism and the Rise of Islam.

599 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:22:20am

re: #549 3 wood

Question:

Daughter #2 is bringing her new boyfriend to our home for dinner tonight. When he comes to the table, should I:

1. Be cleaning my hunting rifle?
2. Be sharpening my Bowie knife?
3. Putting a razors edge on my broad heads for deer hunting?
4. All 3?


ROTFLMAO!! I'd go with sharpening your Bowie knife and say something like "ya know, I got a really crappy shave this morning, guess this ole beauty needs a slightly better edge!"
:)

600 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:22:26am

re: #549 3 wood

Question:

Daughter #2 is bringing her new boyfriend to our home for dinner tonight. When he comes to the table, should I:

1. Be cleaning my hunting rifle?
2. Be sharpening my Bowie knife?
3. Putting a razors edge on my broad heads for deer hunting?
4. All 3?

5) Eat a raw piece of liver in front of him.

601 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:22:29am

Hooters Girl Rodeo Bar Stool Trick

[Link: rightwingvideo.com...]

I'll take one!

602 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:22:32am

re: #591 3 wood

R


True story: One young guy some time ago got tired of waiting so he just went upstairs looking for my daughter like he owned the place. It took me about 5 seconds to figure out he had done this. About 20 seconds after that he was flying out the front door like a drunk being thrown out of a bar in an old western movie.

Have not seen him since.

How did your daughter react? Daggers or gratitude?

603 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:23:19am

re: #595 Silvergirl

Why did Michael Jackson go to Mexico?

He heard you could eat Menudo there.

(too soon?)

604 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:23:26am

re: #593 Nevergiveup

As i said earlier about this, alot of shitty stuff coming out of Chicago lately

lot's of Islamic doubletalk...diversity and tolerance suck

605 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:23:58am

re: #585 realwest

Good morning Kenneth - hope you and yours are well today?!
And I read somewhere that US Drug companies spend twice as much on advertising as they do on research and development - I can't find the damn link, but was so startled by that news that I did check it out and it's true!
Wonder how much Canadian drug manufacturers spend on R&D vs. Advertising? I mean, down here, no matter what channel, y'all can count on at least 6 commercials per hour for PRESCRIPTION DRUGS - I reckon they want you to ask your doctor "is this something that would help me?" ("Why no, Mr. Realwest, you don't suffer from the 'monthly blues' you dumbass!" LOL!).

That's the only way they'll get their newer drugs to sell.
The "new purple pill" is only a tiny bit better than the old one, but sells for something like ten times the price.
If people really knew, they wouldn't want it.

606 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:24:01am

Morning, everyone. If I hear one more person say that they have to ram through the Health Care Package Obama has put forward because it has to be done now, I will hurl in my shoes.

607 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:24:06am

re: #603 Mad Al-Jaffee

Not for me, I've been waiting to throw the K-mart sale out there.

608 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:24:09am

re: #530 realwest

Good morning Sasquatch!
Say, when y'all get a chance could you check your e-mail?!
Hope you're well today!

Done.

609 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:24:56am

re: #585 realwest

I remember when they couldnt advertise (or Doctors for that matter). I like competition in the marketplace, but agree that advertising has gotten completely out of hand. I'm getting my Mother's mail (83 yr old) while she is out of town and cant believe the stuff she gets from drug companies. All because she is on Medicare, I guess.

610 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:25:19am

re: #590 albusteve

ain't this just peachy
wonder if these guys have broken any laws...expect more of the same

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Look at it this way - that hotel isn't likely to get blown up until the conference is over. Unless by a "work accident".

611 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:26:25am

re: #605 Kosh's Shadow

That's the only way they'll get their newer drugs to sell.
The "new purple pill" is only a tiny bit better than the old one, but sells for something like ten times the price.
If people really knew, they wouldn't want it.

There's a real problem with patients insisting that their doctor prescribe the latest and greatest, even when the old generic will do the job. Most doctors just give in, figuring the patient's prescription plan will cover it. This is why I don't believe prescription drugs should be advertised to the general public. I'm old enough to remember when the only place you saw those ads was in the medical journals in your doctor's office.

612 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:26:32am

re: #582 Walter L. Newton

Hiya, Walter - sorry, my fault!
Haven't been on LGF for a bit, thus haven't been talking about the horrendous number of deaths which killed eight of our lads in one day, last week.
Also, there have been ongoing debates in Parliament and the papers about our lack of equipment, about the misierly NuLab policies in regard to the Armed Forces, especially in Afghanistan.
And as we here in the UK know only too well that our dear Gvoernment (all departments) use the MFM to launch stories to distract us from the real thing, I simply forgot that you won't know about this particular way of governing ...

Here are some links to the Afgahnistan debacle:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6717868.ece

Dannatt warns of strategic failure in Afghanistan as 16th soldier dies in a month

More Chinooks in Hampshire than Afghanistan, but no one to fly them

Thousands honour repatriated men
(Do watch this video ...!)

613 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:26:57am

re: #606 vxbush

Morning, everyone. If I hear one more person say that they have to ram through the Health Care Package Obama has put forward because it has to be done now, I will hurl in my shoes.

I recommend hurling on their shoes. You need yours more.

614 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:27:06am

re: #562 rightside
Hmmm - is that the voice of experience I see there?!

615 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:27:07am

re: #601 Nevergiveup

Reminds me of girls on trampolines!

616 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:27:20am

re: #609 Beach Lover

I remember when they couldnt advertise (or Doctors for that matter). I like competition in the marketplace, but agree that advertising has gotten completely out of hand. I'm getting my Mother's mail (83 yr old) while she is out of town and cant believe the stuff she gets from drug companies. All because she is on Medicare, I guess.

No, it's not that. I have private insurance, but between my pharmacy, which prints out ads from the firms, to my mail, where the companies are sending me "helpful" information, I am being targeted pretty specifically.

617 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:27:59am

re: #611 doppelganglander

There's a real problem with patients insisting that their doctor prescribe the latest and greatest, even when the old generic will do the job. Most doctors just give in, figuring the patient's prescription plan will cover it. This is why I don't believe prescription drugs should be advertised to the general public. I'm old enough to remember when the only place you saw those ads was in the medical journals in your doctor's office.

But here's the weird thing: some formularies are now *demanding* that your doctor fill the new drugs, rather than the old ones! How weird is that?

618 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:28:07am

re: #606 vxbush

Morning, everyone. If I hear one more person say that they have to ram through the Health Care Package Obama has put forward because it has to be done now, I will hurl in my shoes.

BO and his phony deadlines...pressuring Congress...he looks like a fool, pretending he has power that he doesn't...he will push the wrong guy sooner or later...I wonder how Pelosi will punish the blue dogs

619 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:28:15am

From Huffpo...
Some scenes of destruction. Reportedly from today:

620 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:28:37am

re: #592 HoosierHoops

Isn't the Chinese notes weird? Only a serial number...No dates..Do you think they are old?

No, not more than sometime in the last century. And there is probably a date there, only it's in Chinese. And I'm not sure, but they may date things according to a different calender, or using a regnal date (date of the emperor's reign, like "year 3.").

Off hand, I don't know, but undated currency is not unusual, same goes for coinage. I don't collect Chinese money, but I have a 50-60 pieces, even about 20 bronze "cash" coins from the 900's, and none of them have dates of any sort on them. In the catalogs, they are all dated by regnal dates.

Off the top of my head, the only Chinese coinage I know of that has english dates on them is the Hong Kong coins, during British occupation.

I suspect that you would need a world paper currency catalog (see Krause Publications) to date and identify this.

Or Google "chinese paper money."

My speciality is ancient greek and roman coins. But I have dabbled in just about all of the stuff.

621 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:28:39am

re: #606 vxbush

Morning, everyone. If I hear one more person say that they have to ram through the Health Care Package Obama has put forward because it has to be done now, I will hurl in my shoes.

Would those be UpChuck Taylors ?

622 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:28:52am

re: #574 yma o hyd
Hey {yma} - sorry you have, ah, typical weather for Wales!!
Hope you're doing well today!

623 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:28:59am

re: #610 Kosh's Shadow

Look at it this way - that hotel isn't likely to get blown up until the conference is over. Unless by a "work accident".

the FBI should flood the place...intel rich environment

624 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:29:31am

re: #611 doppelganglander

There's a real problem with patients insisting that their doctor prescribe the latest and greatest, even when the old generic will do the job. Most doctors just give in, figuring the patient's prescription plan will cover it. This is why I don't believe prescription drugs should be advertised to the general public. I'm old enough to remember when the only place you saw those ads was in the medical journals in your doctor's office.

I tend to prefer the older medications, myself. Another reason is, I figure by now, they really know any side effects, and how safe it is. The new ones can still have surprises once they're used on a large scale.

625 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:29:47am

re: #612 yma o hyd

Hiya, Walter - sorry, my fault!
Haven't been on LGF for a bit, thus haven't been talking about the horrendous number of deaths which killed eight of our lads in one day, last week.
Also, there have been ongoing debates in Parliament and the papers about our lack of equipment, about the misierly NuLab policies in regard to the Armed Forces, especially in Afghanistan.
And as we here in the UK know only too well that our dear Gvoernment (all departments) use the MFM to launch stories to distract us from the real thing, I simply forgot that you won't know about this particular way of governing ...

Here are some links to the Afgahnistan debacle:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/art icle6717868.ece

Dannatt warns of strategic failure in Afghanistan as 16th soldier dies in a month

More Chinooks in Hampshire than Afghanistan, but no one to fly them

Thousands honour repatriated men
(Do watch this video ...!)

Oh, we know about that. It's called "pitch a baseball" like a sissy and that's all Rush Limbuagh will talk about all week.

626 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:29:48am

re: #613 BlueCanuck

I recommend hurling on their shoes. You need yours more.

But I can't reach the shoes of the ones I really want to hurl on: the ones in Washington.

627 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:30:16am

re: #614 realwest

Actually, I am not like that. They do know I own firearms though, that helps. It also helps that Mrs. rightside and I are always talking with her about what the right choices are in life. She's pretty modest, and she feels comfortable talking with us at 15. She has our trust.

628 J.S.  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:30:39am

re: #612 yma o hyd

Sounds to me like the UK wants out of Afghanistan (the same is true here in Canada, btw -- they just did a poll)...

629 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:31:15am

re: #621 SasquatchOnSteroids

Would those be UpChuck Taylors ?

Heh, heh, heh...

630 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:31:35am

re: #590 albusteve

ain't this just peachy
wonder if these guys have broken any laws...expect more of the same

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Who did the WH send to speak at the conference?

631 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:31:49am

re: #617 vxbush

But here's the weird thing: some formularies are now *demanding* that your doctor fill the new drugs, rather than the old ones! How weird is that?

That is weird. They must have an arrangement with certain drug companies that gives them a better deal compared to the generics or older, cheaper brand name drugs. I've become very familiar with my plan's formulary and make sure I get the drugs that qualify for the lower co-pay whenever possible. I also love the mail-in plan - 3 months for $25 is quite a deal.

632 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:31:59am

re: #598 ladycatnip

Is Barry giving the keynote address?

633 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:32:02am

re: #628 J.S.

Sounds to me like the UK wants out of Afghanistan (the same is true here in Canada, btw -- they just did a poll)...

can't blame them...it's a black hole

634 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:32:35am

re: #578 Beach Lover
Hey hi ya {Beachie} - how are you today?

635 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:32:41am

re: #631 doppelganglander

That is weird. They must have an arrangement with certain drug companies that gives them a better deal compared to the generics or older, cheaper brand name drugs. I've become very familiar with my plan's formulary and make sure I get the drugs that qualify for the lower co-pay whenever possible. I also love the mail-in plan - 3 months for $25 is quite a deal.

I had to show my one doctor a letter I had gotten from the prescription insurance folks saying which meds I should take instead. He just shook his head, but he was understanding and wrote the script.

636 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:32:48am

re: #630 NJDhockeyfan

Who did the WH send to speak at the conference?

heh...

637 Rancher  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:32:51am

I've been saying that the real damage Obama and the Dems have done to America has yet to be felt, only when the bill comes due for the porkulus will we truly see the effects on the economy. Now NRO reports on why this has yet to happen: We’re All Inflation Hawks Now

An extra $1 trillion has been created out of thin air. Nothing like this has ever happened in American history — not during WWII, not in the 1970s, and not in the aftermath of 9/11.

So why no Weimarian wheelbarrow stories? Because the money is stuck in the system. The Fed makes it and sends it to the banks. Meanwhile, the banks lend a little and keep the rest in their “vaults.” Why? They’re afraid to lend. And they’re afraid to lend because they still don’t know the rules.

Will a bank fail its next “stress test”? Will it be nationalized as a result, or dismantled in disgrace? Will there be perp walks for scapegoated bank CEOs? The bankers don’t know, and they don’t want to find out. So they’ve hoarded the money, watching their reserves and capital cushions rise far above official requirements. They’ve built a dam.

But what happens when the floodgates open?

Go to the article if only to see the chart. Also keep in mind that this flood of money does not pay for the spending already approved and also keep in mind the cost for the "free" health care being proposed. We are in huge trouble.

638 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:33:01am

re: #623 albusteve

the FBI should flood the place...intel rich environment

Yes, all the rooms should be tapped, and the conferences as well.
Even tap the restrooms.
Of course, if CAIR ever finds out, they'll make a big stink, but I think most people would agree with bugging the place.

639 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:33:01am

re: #616 vxbush

No, it's not that. I have private insurance, but between my pharmacy, which prints out ads from the firms, to my mail, where the companies are sending me "helpful" information, I am being targeted pretty specifically.

Hiya, {vxbush}!
Well - thats one thing we don't have here, under the NHS!
No ads from drug companies - except for those which are allowed to be bought without prescription.

But let me warn all of you, ads or no: do a very careful research of the side effects of what you are being prescribed - and look it up on sites for health professionals, not for patients.
While its obvious that drugs are safe for the vast majority of patients, some side effects can be pretty drastic, especially when one takes stuff over a long time - and can be utterly detrimental to one's health.

So do check things out!

640 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:33:31am

re: #623 albusteve

the FBI should flood the place...intel rich environment

To many agents are busy trailing former Bush Officials and the former VP?

641 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:34:42am

Anybody need a cheering up?

642 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:34:44am

re: #632 Kenneth

Is Barry giving the keynote address?

Well it's one of his main jobs to fight discrimination against Muslims isn't it? He told us it is?

643 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:35:36am

'Reaper-lizard' dinosaur discovered in desert

A giant "reaper lizard" dinosaur that towered as high as a double decker bus and had nine inch scythe-like claws has been unearthed by scientists.

644 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:35:41am

re: #637 Rancher

I've been saying that the real damage Obama and the Dems have done to America has yet to be felt, only when the bill comes due for the porkulus will we truly see the effects on the economy. Now NRO reports on why this has yet to happen: We’re All Inflation Hawks Now

Go to the article if only to see the chart. Also keep in mind that this flood of money does not pay for the spending already approved and also keep in mind the cost for the "free" health care being proposed. We are in huge trouble.

Oh, man. That graph spells it out loud and clear.

645 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:35:46am

re: #592 HoosierHoops

Isn't the Chinese notes weird? Only a serial number...No dates..Do you think they are old?

Ok, a little Google images bring this info to me.

Portrait of Sun Yat-sen (around 1940's).

[Link: www.banknotes.com...]

It would be a 100 yaun. I can't find the "temple" name in my search (the temple on the back).

646 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:36:05am

re: #622 realwest

Hey {yma} - sorry you have, ah, typical weather for Wales!!
Hope you're doing well today!

Hiya, {rw}!
Hope you are well, and enjoying the summer!

Moaning about the weather comes with the territory here - in fact its not been as bad as the morning weather forecast had made out, so thats another reason for being cross!
If they say there's going to be torrential rain, then i want to have that torrential rain - my flowers are ruined anyway, and Madame needs another fur wash!

647 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:37:35am

re: #616 vxbush
interesting. I get nothing like that and am on BCBS. My Mom is on AARP as a supplemental, tho. and she gets stuff from them constantly. She has the prescription drug coverage as well but really she'd be better off without it. Its costing more to have it than she is getting off her drugs. But at her age, you cant be without it, in case of something catastrophic happening. But she makes me read all the mail that comes in almost daily, to sort out the nonsense from the important. Its intentional confusing, and they want to run OUR healthcare! *spit*

648 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:37:55am

re: #603 Mad Al-Jaffee
Don't know about others, but too soon for me.

649 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:38:09am

re: #643 NJDhockeyfan

Don't Fear the Reaper.

650 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:38:12am
651 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:38:12am

Morning Ya'll ...

What is up with these sobs acting like thieves in the night with healthcare ... guess they can stay up and work all night when it is something they want bad enough ... they cannot beat small business down to nothing and expect them to keep employees ... people will lose their jobs ...

Next after healthcare ... amnesty for illegals .. 20 million more democrats ... democrats in the White House forever ... it is on their agenda ...

Might go buy an island somewhere ... dang ...

Gotta work ... see ya'll later ...

652 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:38:22am

re: #625 Walter L. Newton

Aww - and here I thought it was only our despicable government who did that sort of thing ... like that spokeswoman at the Dept of Transport who e-mailed colleagues and said to get out a bad report on British railways, on 9/11, with the infamous words: this is a good day for hiding bad news' ..

653 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:38:23am

re: #630 NJDhockeyfan

Who did the WH send to speak at the conference?

I'm surprised Obama isn't going and apologizing for making them blow us up.

654 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:39:16am

re: #645 Walter L. Newton

Ok, a little Google images bring this info to me.

Portrait of Sun Yat-sen (around 1940's).

[Link: www.banknotes.com...]

It would be a 100 yaun. I can't find the "temple" name in my search (the temple on the back).

More info.

That note is a Taiwan issue. And it's denomination is 100 "dollars" not Yuan.

655 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:39:32am

re: #635 vxbush

I had to show my one doctor a letter I had gotten from the prescription insurance folks saying which meds I should take instead. He just shook his head, but he was understanding and wrote the script.

Doctors really hate having their judgment questioned, but they do understand your position with regard to reimbursement. Just another reason I think Obamacare will go over like a lead balloon with doctors, even though the AMA has endorsed it.

656 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:39:41am

British Open Update;

It's windy and colder today so the scores are higher. Steven Marino is the leader in the clubhouse at 5 under. Tom Watson is falling apart and is 4 over on the day after only 8 holes.

Tiger Woods is even on the day through 4 holes, at 1 over for the tournament.

"Trunk slammers" so far are Oliver Fisher and Pablo Larrazabal both a +16 and they are not done yet. Must have gotten into some of those deep bunkers.

I could go out there with a utility wood, a 5, 7, 9 iron and a putter and do that bad.

657 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:40:25am

re: #651 JacksonTn

Morning Ya'll ...

What is up with these sobs acting like thieves in the night with healthcare ... guess they can stay up and work all night when it is something they want bad enough ... they cannot beat small business down to nothing and expect them to keep employees ... people will lose their jobs ...

Next after healthcare ... amnesty for illegals .. 20 million more democrats ... democrats in the White House forever ... it is on their agenda ...

Might go buy an island somewhere ... dang ...

Gotta work ... see ya'll later ...


[Video]

I like the island idea. If you find a good deal, let me know.

658 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:41:10am

re: #602 Silvergirl

How did your daughter react? Daggers or gratitude?

At the moment she was mad, but later said the guy was a twit.

659 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:41:13am

re: #634 realwest

good , {{Real}} and you?
You sound pretty chipper :-)

660 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:41:18am

re: #605 Kosh's Shadow
Well you're possibly correct but I'd wager that on at least 9 out of every 10 visits either me or Mom make to one of our doctors, they'll be some slick looking salesperson there from a drug company who'll have a hot, luscious looking lunch for all the doctors and nurses to eat while he or she makes their spiel about the latest and greatest new aspirin or somesuch.
But I mean REALLY, do folks see ads for prescription medications on TV and ask their doctors about 'em?

661 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:41:52am

re: #628 J.S.

Sounds to me like the UK wants out of Afghanistan (the same is true here in Canada, btw -- they just did a poll)...

No - thats what the moonbats want and screech about. Even our despicable government is clear that we have to stay. But - they will not, nor have they ever done so, equip our lads with what they need. Nor will Gord send enough troops.

We all know that leaving Afghanistan unfinished would make a mockery of the deaths of all our lads and girls who have died there. We say Gord must give them what they need - and not feather-bed the useless scroungers on 'welfare'!

662 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:41:54am

re: #654 Walter L. Newton

More info.

That note is a Taiwan issue. And it's denomination is 100 "dollars" not Yuan.


Cool! Thanks

663 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:42:49am

re: #660 realwest

Well you're possibly correct but I'd wager that on at least 9 out of every 10 visits either me or Mom make to one of our doctors, they'll be some slick looking salesperson there from a drug company who'll have a hot, luscious looking lunch for all the doctors and nurses to eat while he or she makes their spiel about the latest and greatest new aspirin or somesuch.
But I mean REALLY, do folks see ads for prescription medications on TV and ask their doctors about 'em?

If they do, then each and every doctor is being asked about Cialis.

664 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:43:25am

re: #661 yma o hyd

No - thats what the moonbats want and screech about. Even our despicable government is clear that we have to stay. But - they will not, nor have they ever done so, equip our lads with what they need. Nor will Gord send enough troops.

We all know that leaving Afghanistan unfinished would make a mockery of the deaths of all our lads and girls who have died there. We say Gord must give them what they need - and not feather-bed the useless scroungers on 'welfare'!

in for a penny, in for a pound...there is no other way to fight

665 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:43:28am

re: #606 vxbush

Morning, everyone. If I hear one more person say that they have to ram through the Health Care Package Obama has put forward because it has to be done now, I will hurl in my shoes.


NO - HURL IN OBAMA'S SHOES!
/
How are you doing today? Got a migraine again (did I see that mentioned upthread?)?

666 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:43:53am

re: #657 vxbush

I like the island idea. If you find a good deal, let me know.


can ya imagine an island full of LGF lizards? wonder who would be the leaders?

667 pink freud  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:44:23am

re: #618 albusteve

BO and his phony deadlines...pressuring Congress...he looks like a fool, pretending he has power that he doesn't...he will push the wrong guy sooner or later...I wonder how Pelosi will punish the blue dogs

Alinksy's Rule for Radicals:

RULE 1: "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have."

668 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:45:20am

re: #665 realwest

NO - HURL IN OBAMA'S SHOES!
/
How are you doing today? Got a migraine again (did I see that mentioned upthread?)?

I had one yesterday, so I was really groggy last night and fairly useless. My husband had to finish the dishes last night, and I hate to make him do that as he cooks.

But I slept pretty well, and I'm not doing too bad today. Got the hot tea going, so I'm hanging out here and doing installs on a bunch of machines.

669 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:45:30am

re: #662 HoosierHoops

Cool! Thanks

One other bit of confusion on my side. Did you want these notes back?

670 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:45:33am
671 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:45:41am

re: #656 3 wood

British Open Update;

It's windy and colder today so the scores are higher. Steven Marino is the leader in the clubhouse at 5 under. Tom Watson is falling apart and is 4 over on the day after only 8 holes.

Tiger Woods is even on the day through 4 holes, at 1 over for the tournament.

"Trunk slammers" so far are Oliver Fisher and Pablo Larrazabal both a +16 and they are not done yet. Must have gotten into some of those deep bunkers.

I could go out there with a utility wood, a 5, 7, 9 iron and a putter and do that bad.

Would ye be interested in these photos??

672 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:46:08am

re: #666 apachegunner

can ya imagine an island full of LGF lizards? wonder who would be the leaders?

Well, I know I'd be working with the other lizards to keep our networks and computers working. Plus be the resident mathematician. :D

673 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:46:09am

re: #639 yma o hyd

You have to watch out for posted side effects. Discovered once that they can remove side effects if they aren't tested for. Case in example. I was prescribed Ranitidine (zantac) for an ulcer back in 94. One of the side effects listed was over heating during exercise. I was in karate at the time and a simple workout would have me sweating like a pig. 10 years later, I picked up some Zantac and checked out the side effects. The one that was listed in 94 was no longer counted.

I talked to some one that knew about drug testing. What they will do is remove some testing procedures that they know will cause side effects. Either to make the drug seem less scary, or because they believe that it's not a really necessary test. Think what you will of it.

674 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:46:33am

re: #617 vxbush
Uh {vxbush} what are formularies?

675 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:47:00am

re: #670 Iron Fist

The technical term for what we are is fucked.


We're fucked.

Proper fucked.

/guy ritchie british gangster movies ftw.

676 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:47:53am

re: #660 realwest

Well you're possibly correct but I'd wager that on at least 9 out of every 10 visits either me or Mom make to one of our doctors, they'll be some slick looking salesperson there from a drug company who'll have a hot, luscious looking lunch for all the doctors and nurses to eat while he or she makes their spiel about the latest and greatest new aspirin or somesuch.
But I mean REALLY, do folks see ads for prescription medications on TV and ask their doctors about 'em?

Last time I took mini-me for a checkup, I saw that. A very attractive lady with a well organized binder and a sales pitch.

677 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:48:04am

re: #674 realwest

Uh {vxbush} what are formularies?

Formularies are the lists of "approved" drugs that the prescription insurance companies will pay. You can often get a drug that isn't on the formulary list, but then you often have to pay a lot more.

678 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:48:07am

Cultural Learnings of Canada Medical System Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Obamaland

679 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:48:32am

re: #672 vxbush

Well, I know I'd be working with the other lizards to keep our networks and computers working. Plus be the resident mathematician. :D


ok, you'd be the NET girl and head cypher chick

680 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:48:38am

re: #672 vxbush

Well, I know I'd be working with the other lizards to keep our networks and computers working. Plus be the resident mathematician. :D

You and gmsc, our LNDT math wiz par excellence.

681 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:49:05am
682 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:49:15am

re: #655 doppelganglander

Doctors really hate having their judgment questioned, but they do understand your position with regard to reimbursement. Just another reason I think Obamacare will go over like a lead balloon with doctors, even though the AMA has endorsed it.

The AMA just like the ADA has nothing to do with real Dr.'s or Dentists

683 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:49:57am

re: #660 realwest

Well you're possibly correct but I'd wager that on at least 9 out of every 10 visits either me or Mom make to one of our doctors, they'll be some slick looking salesperson there from a drug company who'll have a hot, luscious looking lunch for all the doctors and nurses to eat while he or she makes their spiel about the latest and greatest new aspirin or somesuch.
But I mean REALLY, do folks see ads for prescription medications on TV and ask their doctors about 'em?

I haven't seen the lunches, but my daughter used to work at a place that does mental health counseling, and she would come back with tons of pens and other items with all the drug names on them. (She was friends with the admin, who got all these office supplies to give access to the doctors.)

684 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:50:02am

re: #664 albusteve

in for a penny, in for a pound...there is no other way to fight

Yep - our armed Forces know that, but Gord, typical for NuLab, has despised them and cut their budgets for the last 12 years.
How highly he respects them you can see from the fact that the last three SecDef were only doing that job half-time, in combination with other ministerial jobs ...and the latest one is the least experienced of them all - no. 21 in the ranks, of 23.

Best forces in the world can't do their job properly if they aren't given the stuff they need to fight ...

685 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:50:11am

re: #681 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget "possession by the prince of darkness, minor mutations..."

/from a spoof for e-trade I believe...

686 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:50:45am

re: #663 vxbush

If they do, then each and every doctor is being asked about Cialis.

My doctor had posters for Viagra around the office.

687 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:51:07am

Huge blob of Arctic goo floats past Slope communities

Something big and strange is floating through the Chukchi Sea between Wainwright and Barrow.

Hunters from Wainwright first started noticing the stuff sometime probably early last week. It's thick and dark and "gooey" and is drifting for miles in the cold Arctic waters, according to Gordon Brower with the North Slope Borough's Planning and Community Services Department.

Brower and other borough officials, joined by the U.S. Coast Guard, flew out to Wainwright to investigate. The agencies found "globs" of the stuff floating miles offshore Friday and collected samples for testing.

Later, Brower said, the North Slope team in a borough helicopter spotted a long strand of the stuff and followed it for about 15 miles, shooting video from the air.

The next day the floating substance arrived offshore from Barrow, about 90 miles east of Wainwright, and borough officials went out in boats, collected more samples and sent them off for testing too.

688 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:51:13am

re: #680 BlueCanuck

You and gmsc, our LNDT math wiz par excellence.

Ah, yes, and probably also --shoot, what's the nic? Sfr? He's also a math dude.

689 J.S.  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:51:13am

re: #661 yma o hyd

Yeah...Canada has a NATO commitment to stay in Afghanistan until 2011..but the public is growing impatient and the latest poll show slippage in the level of support (75 percent of Quebers are opposed).

690 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:51:33am
691 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:51:57am

re: #660 realwest
You bet your bippy they do or they wouldnt spend the money on it! Also, know several drug salespeople. MOst are young great looking women and they are making a ton of $$. One in particular, moved past the lunch routine, and is now a manager of a region. She just got back from an all expense trip to Cabo for her and hubby. The drug companies are bad enough, just think what it will be like if the government is in charge. We will wish for these good ole days!

692 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:52:07am

re: #681 buzzsawmonkey

I love how the drug ads on TV offer to free you from some minor annoyance, then list the possible side effects of vomiting, hair loss, flatulence, incontinence, lycanthropy--G-d knows what.

I don't think I've seen any one of those ads where the side effects of the touted cure did not sound worse than the disease.

That is so damn true.

Got a hangnail ?
May cause anal leakage.

Allrighty.

693 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:52:19am

re: #675 laZardo

Fockin'

694 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:52:29am

re: #682 Nevergiveup

The AMA just like the ADA has nothing to do with real Dr.'s or Dentists

Just as I suspected.

695 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:53:21am

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama is condemning a pair of suicide bombings at American hotels in Indonesia on Friday.
Investigators say the attacks at two hotels in Jakarta killed eight people and wounded more than 50.

Obama says the U.S. government "stands ready" as a friend and partner to help its ally in the effort to combat extremism and to recover from these "outrageous attacks."

Yeah Great Fine, what are you gonna do, issue an arrest warrant?

696 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:53:30am

Hello, DHS, anyone, Janet?

/only in TOTUS' New America

697 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:53:36am

re: #687 NJDhockeyfan

Huge blob of Arctic goo floats past Slope communities

Palin leaves, and the goo attacks.

698 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:53:38am

re: #689 J.S.

Quebecers are opposed to almost anything. They are the only reason we never had "the Draft" during both world wars. Every now and then when I talk to people about the lose of Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan I bring up how many were lost during D-Day in a matter of hours. Sometimes things have to be put in perspective.

699 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:53:48am

Looks like Rafsanjani has gone rogue.

TEHRAN, Iran – Tens of thousands of government opponents packed Iran's main Islamic prayer sermon Friday, chanting "freedom, freedom" and other slogans as their top clerical backer Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani delivered a sermon bluntly criticizing the country's leadership over the crackdown on election protests.

Outside, pro-government Basiji militiamen in front of a line of riot police fired tear gas at thousands of protesters who chanted "death to the dictator" and called on President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to resign. Young protesters with green bandanas over their mouths and noses set a bonfire in the street and kicked away gas canisters, facing off with the security forces while others scattered.

The opposition aimed to turn the Friday prayers at Tehran University into a show of their continued strength despite heavy government suppression since the disputed June 12 presidential election.

Opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi, who claims to have won the election, sat in the front row of worshippers, attending for the first time since the turmoil began. Many of the tens of thousands at the prayers wore headbands or wristbands in his campaign color green, or had green prayer rugs.

In his sermon broadcast live on radio nationwide, Rafsanjani reprimanded the clerical leadership for not listening to the controversy over the election, which was declared a victory for Ahmadinejad despite opposition claims of fraud.

"Doubt has been created (about the election results)," Rafsanjani said. "There is a large portion of the wise people who say they have doubts. We need to take action to remove this doubt."

Rafsanjani couched his sermon in calls for unity in support of Iran's Islamic Republic. But his sermon was an unmistakable challenge to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who declared Ahmadinejad's victory valid and ordered an end to questioning of the results. Rafsanjani said the dispute has split clerics and warned of "crisis."

700 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:54:04am

re: #695 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama is condemning a pair of suicide bombings at American hotels in Indonesia on Friday.
Investigators say the attacks at two hotels in Jakarta killed eight people and wounded more than 50.

Obama says the U.S. government "stands ready" as a friend and partner to help its ally in the effort to combat extremism and to recover from these "outrageous attacks."

Yeah Great Fine, what are you gonna do, issue an arrest warrant?

Did he say he was 'deeply concerned' yet?

701 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:54:07am

re: #695 Nevergiveup

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama is condemning a pair of suicide bombings at American hotels in Indonesia on Friday.
Investigators say the attacks at two hotels in Jakarta killed eight people and wounded more than 50.

Obama says the U.S. government "stands ready" as a friend and partner to help its ally in the effort to combat extremism and to recover from these "outrageous attacks."

Yeah Great Fine, what are you gonna do, issue an arrest warrant?

He's going to ask the terrorists to unclench their fists, of course.

702 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:54:08am
703 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:54:43am

re: #697 Kosh's Shadow

Palin leaves, and the goo attacks.

I think the goo was wearing a press pass.

704 bloodnok  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:54:47am

re: #687 NJDhockeyfan

Huge blob of Arctic goo floats past Slope communities

Did it have medicinal properties?

Traffic, Medicated Goo

705 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:54:55am

re: #681 buzzsawmonkey

I love how the drug ads on TV offer to free you from some minor annoyance, then list the possible side effects of vomiting, hair loss, flatulence, incontinence, lycanthropy--G-d knows what.

I don't think I've seen any one of those ads where the side effects of the touted cure did not sound worse than the disease.

I often think the drug companies focus too much on minor conditions like heartburn because they're very profitable, while they ignore drugs that might be of huge benefit to a small number of people with more serious conditions.

706 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:55:00am

re: #689 J.S.

Yeah...Canada has a NATO commitment to stay in Afghanistan until 2011..but the public is growing impatient and the latest poll show slippage in the level of support (75 percent of Quebers are opposed).

I don't think the Taliban can be stopped...shot to pieces and decimated, only to come back sooner or later...the commitment to seize and hold territory is not there

707 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:55:24am

re: #673 BlueCanuck

You have to watch out for posted side effects. Discovered once that they can remove side effects if they aren't tested for. Case in example. I was prescribed Ranitidine (zantac) for an ulcer back in 94. One of the side effects listed was over heating during exercise. I was in karate at the time and a simple workout would have me sweating like a pig. 10 years later, I picked up some Zantac and checked out the side effects. The one that was listed in 94 was no longer counted.

I talked to some one that knew about drug testing. What they will do is remove some testing procedures that they know will cause side effects. Either to make the drug seem less scary, or because they believe that it's not a really necessary test. Think what you will of it.

Thats interesting!
They may drop posting some of these side effects if there haven't been any reports in regard to that, over time.
However - I found that new ones are being described, over time, which have not been put on the earlier patient information.
So checking is a must, and one also needs a thick skin when confronting one's GP about such side effects!
Ours infallibly come out with 'nobody else has complained about this ..', translated: 'Go away you ungrateful trouble-maker!'
I found that pharmacists are usually your best friend in such cases!

708 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:55:32am

re: #681 buzzsawmonkey

I love how the drug ads on TV offer to free you from some minor annoyance, then list the possible side effects of vomiting, hair loss, flatulence, incontinence, lycanthropy--G-d knows what.

I don't think I've seen any one of those ads where the side effects of the touted cure did not sound worse than the disease.

Don't forget greasy discharge, that one always cracked me up.

Morning all, sup? Oh LGF Island, hey turn will volunteer to walk the dogs. ha

709 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:56:44am

re: #651 JacksonTn

Morning Ya'll ...

What is up with these sobs acting like thieves in the night with healthcare ... guess they can stay up and work all night when it is something they want bad enough ... they cannot beat small business down to nothing and expect them to keep employees ... people will lose their jobs ...

Next after healthcare ... amnesty for illegals .. 20 million more democrats ... democrats in the White House forever ... it is on their agenda ...

Might go buy an island somewhere ... dang ...

Gotta work ... see ya'll later ...


[Video]

Between the 20 million illegal Democrat voters and ACORN - we will have an army of Frankens to rule over us - we, the great unwashed. Hope and Change.

/what Perry Mason episode is your favorite?

710 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:57:01am

re: #683 Kosh's Shadow

I haven't seen the lunches, but my daughter used to work at a place that does mental health counseling, and she would come back with tons of pens and other items with all the drug names on them. (She was friends with the admin, who got all these office supplies to give access to the doctors.)

And the salesman's (women's? They do seem to be all women) samples of drugs. That's how my Mom gets one of her very important (& costly) drugs, her doctor gives her the free samples that the sales reps send.

711 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:57:09am

re: #655 doppelganglander
Yep. I got on Medicare last January 1, cause I've been on SSDI for four years. The drug that I've been getting by stomach injection (a time release capsule) isn't covered by medicare or supplementals. However, a newer drug - which according to my Onc does EXACTLY the same thing but costs more - much more than the older, already expensive drug - IS covered so we hadda switch to the newer one. He was not happy. At all. And when my Onc isn't happy, I'm sure as hell apt to get MAD.

712 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:57:16am
713 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:57:25am

Fair mornin Lizardim,

Just to share, because I can, I went and got engaged yesterday!

714 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:57:31am

re: #681 buzzsawmonkey

I love how the drug ads on TV offer to free you from some minor annoyance, then list the possible side effects of vomiting, hair loss, flatulence, incontinence, lycanthropy--G-d knows what.

I don't think I've seen any one of those ads where the side effects of the touted cure did not sound worse than the disease.

There was an Opus cartoon where Opus gets a prescription for something, then has side effects (something absurd like purple dots). He gets another pill for the side effects, which causes more side effects; another pill for those, and so on.

715 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:57:47am

re: #708 turn

Don't forget greasy discharge, that one always cracked me up.

Morning all, sup? Oh LGF Island, hey turn will volunteer to walk the dogs. ha

Hey, turn. LGF Island sounds like a reality show. I think my role would be grammar nazi, provider of second-rate French translations, recognizer of obscure TV and movie references, and third string pun squad.

716 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:57:49am

re: #708 turn

Don't forget greasy discharge, that one always cracked me up.

Morning all, sup? Oh LGF Island, hey turn will volunteer to walk the dogs. ha

I suppose I will be the resident chocolate connoisseur? With numerous helpers...

717 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:57:54am
718 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:58:20am

re: #704 bloodnok

Did it have medicinal properties?

Traffic, Medicated Goo


[Video]

A gift from Russia... or maybe the Chinese?

719 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:58:37am

re: #713 Mithrax

Fair mornin Lizardim,

Just to share, because I can, I went and got engaged yesterday!

Congratulations! Whens the big day?

720 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:58:45am

re: #713 Mithrax

Fair mornin Lizardim,

Just to share, because I can, I went and got engaged yesterday!

Congrats!!!

721 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:59:09am

re: #716 vxbush

I suppose I will be the resident chocolate connoisseur? With numerous helpers...

Morning vx, how are you feeling?

722 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:59:23am

Who shops at Nordstroms?

Allah shirt at Nordstrom


We just came across this shirt while browsing through Nordstrom in the mall a few seconds ago.

It reads “Allah Al-Rahman Al-Raheem”

Which means “God the most Gracious the most Merciful”

Have any of you seen this before?

723 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:59:34am

re: #716 vxbush

I suppose I will be the resident chocolate connoisseur? With numerous helpers...

I'm pretty handy with a spear.

724 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:59:50am

re: #713 Mithrax

Fair mornin Lizardim,

Just to share, because I can, I went and got engaged yesterday!

Wonderful! My best wishes to you and your fiancee.

725 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 7:59:56am

re: #713 Mithrax

Fair mornin Lizardim,

Just to share, because I can, I went and got engaged yesterday!

Congratulations!

And happy Friday to {all y'all}.

726 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:00:05am

re: #704 bloodnok

Upding for the Traffic reference.

727 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:00:07am

re: #678 Kenneth

"We're sorry, but an error occurred."

/In the kind words of the Virgin Mary... come again?

728 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:00:18am

re: #689 J.S.

Yeah...Canada has a NATO commitment to stay in Afghanistan until 2011..but the public is growing impatient and the latest poll show slippage in the level of support (75 percent of Quebers are opposed).

The Canadians are fighting very bravely, unlike some other NATO troops I could name!
Perhaps the Quebers would change their minds if some Taleban-followers let off a few bombs here and there, underground?

Odd, isn't it, that those nations who did suffer from such attacks have no doubts that defeating the Taleban is a must - regardless of the whining of the MFM.

729 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:00:34am
730 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:00:45am

re: #721 turn

Morning vx, how are you feeling?

Much better today, thank you. And I just got a surprise: The daughter is doing a quick dash through town to pick up some paperwork at our house, so she's going to stop by here so she can give me a hug.

I feel so special.

731 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:00:49am

re: #719 turn

Congratulations! Whens the big day?

Beats me. We'll figure that out sometime :P

732 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:00:55am

re: #722 NJDhockeyfan

Who shops at Nordstroms?

Allah shirt at Nordstrom

No, but I suspect there'll be a burnt-out shell where the Nordstrom used to be in a couple days time.

733 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:00:57am

re: #695 Nevergiveup

I thought his Magnificent Cairo Speech™ was supposed to stop this sort of thing?

Maybe it's time to send a Reset Button to Al Qaeda...

734 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:01:13am

re: #722 NJDhockeyfan

Who shops at Nordstroms?

Allah shirt at Nordstrom

I love Nordstrom, but it's usually to pricey for me. I now love it a little less.

735 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:01:22am

re: #715 doppelganglander

Hey, turn. LGF Island sounds like a reality show. I think my role would be grammar nazi, provider of second-rate French translations, recognizer of obscure TV and movie references, and third string pun squad.

Hey dopple, yeah we would sure have a mess of pedantic lunatics on that island. turn would keep ya all occupied for sure.

736 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:01:30am

re: #729 buzzsawmonkey

Pun Squad! These crusaders fight crime, and provide first aid for the joking victim! Tune in this fall!

Yeah, all the tight clothing on the ladies...

737 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:01:34am

re: #713 Mithrax

Fair mornin Lizardim,

Just to share, because I can, I went and got engaged yesterday!

Are you nuts? Congrats!

738 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:01:53am

re: #729 buzzsawmonkey

Pun Squad! These crusaders fight crime, and provide first aid for the joking victim! Tune in this fall!

You, of course, are the beloved, crusty but compassionate leader of Pun Squad.

739 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:01:55am

re: #669 Walter L. Newton

One other bit of confusion on my side. Did you want these notes back?


Heck no...I got a safe full of notes I collect...
That was for the meteorite...

740 justabill  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:01:56am

re: #692 SasquatchOnSteroids

That is so damn true.

Got a hangnail ?
May cause anal leakage.

Allrighty.

Be carefull where you put that finger...

741 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:01:58am

re: #722 NJDhockeyfan

Who shops at Nordstroms?

Allah shirt at Nordstrom

Pretty unbelievable ha?

742 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:02:09am
743 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:02:22am

re: #713 Mithrax

Hey, congratulations.

/Your life will shortly be over. ;)

744 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:02:33am

re: #708 turn
Hey..the dogs on LGF island will out number the members!
and will need the little luxuries, of course.
Did you see this picture on lucianne this morning?
[Link: www.lucianne.com...]
reminds me of the golden we lost in January...same face
:-(

745 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:02:56am

re: #659 Beach Lover
Hey there - well if I "sound" chipper y'all need to toin dem speakers down! LOL!
No, I'm just feeling ok, cause me and my oncologist had a meeting yesterday and I told him not to fucking quit on me (exact words!) and he - although startled - asked me what I meant so I told him and he said, "oh no, as long as you can put up with the pain and 'inconvenience' I'll stick with you. Hell I'll stick with you even if you can't. Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression there."
So I holstered my .357 magnum and said so long! LOL! - Ok, I made up that .357 magnum part, but I did feel better cause he did indicate the day before that he was getting close to being able to not help me anymore.

746 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:02:56am

re: #722 NJDhockeyfan

Who shops at Nordstroms?

Allah shirt at Nordstrom


But Baby Jesus in the arms of a skeleton on a shirt was okay until they got complaints.

747 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:03:00am

re: #699 Pianobuff

Good to see this has made its way into the MFM!

tehranbureau had already reported about this earlier ...

748 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:03:03am
749 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:03:13am

re: #737 rightside

Are you nuts? Congrats!

Lol.

I'm tempted to agree with you, but I'd get smacked :P

750 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:03:14am

re: #742 buzzsawmonkey

Allah cool kids are wearin' 'em.

Nordstrom is a Mecca for hip shoppers.

751 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:03:16am

re: #730 vxbush

Much better today, thank you. And I just got a surprise: The daughter is doing a quick dash through town to pick up some paperwork at our house, so she's going to stop by here so she can give me a hug.

I feel so special.

That is really sweet. Mine has been gone only a couple of weeks but I really miss her.

752 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:03:23am

re: #699 Pianobuff

The situation in Iran is certainly far from settled. The regime has to continue its crackdown, but the protesters aren't giving up either. They used this morning's prayers to once again mount protests, and the Basiji and thugs in charge fired off tear gas at the protesters as they were leaving the morning prayers.

And the regime has realized that killing protesters turns them into martyrs - see Neda - so they're instead turning to rape instead. They figure that if they use rape or the threat of rape, it will deter protesters from showing. Rape victims are shunned, and the regime figures that the stigma of being raped will undermine the protesters.

753 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:03:45am
754 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:04:17am

re: #743 BlueCanuck

Hey, congratulations.

/Your life will shortly be over. ;)

Yeah well, I'm already getting in all the "couch worthy" jokes now, so that she ignores them out of her happyness :P

755 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:04:22am

Another "private citizen" talks to Hamas

Hamas on Friday hailed the meeting between the group's representatives and former top US diplomat Thomas Pickering.
Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar.

On Wednesday, the Washington Post revealed that Pickering, a former US ambassador to Israel and the UN as well as former secretary of state Madeleine Albright's deputy in the Clinton Administration, met last month in Geneva with Hamas leaders Bassem Naim and Mahmoud Zahar.

A Hamas source quoted by Israel Radio on Friday stated that the meeting joined other attempts by by former US diplomats to put the feelers out in a bid to gauge the group's positions on various issues, and expressed hope that the changes in the diplomats' attitudes toward the group would eventually influence decision-makers in Washington.


Anyone else think this is somewhat sanctioned by the administration? Despite the disclaimer:


The State Department stressed that the meeting between Pickering and the Hamas leaders was not sanctioned by the US Administration and that its policy regarding the group remained unchanged - that it had to accept the Quartet conditions of recognizing Israel, renouncing violence and abiding by previous Israeli-Palestinian agreements as a precondition for dialogue.
756 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:04:32am

re: #672 vxbush

Well, I know I'd be working with the other lizards to keep our networks and computers working. Plus be the resident mathematician. :D

I wanna be the Coach!

757 J.S.  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:04:37am

re: #698 BlueCanuck

Yep...(although, personally, I'm somewhat of an isolationist -- especially if/when it comes to "rebuilding" some Third World country...or coming into a foreign country and then dictating what's to be done...I don't know...I guess if someone attacks us, then, yeah, we go in -- but "nation building" afterwards? or repairing their infrastructure? Why? As far as I'm concerned, we don't owe them anything...(I've also been reading this book -- written by an Iranian who also claims to be "American" -- it's the "Ayatollah begs to differ" -- and it's really cementing my opinions about certain aspects of the Middle East...In a way, it's somewhat tragic -- like some worn-out cliche -- but, I suspect there's truth in certain cliches -- such as, "They only understand violence -- or Who's Stronger? Who carries the biggest stick?" that's about it...really, really pathetic...)

758 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:04:45am

re: #750 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Nordstrom is a Mecca for hip shoppers.

Yep, all those kids from Burqualee will have them.

759 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:04:48am

re: #737 rightside

LOL!

760 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:04:53am

re: #733 Kenneth

I thought his Magnificent Cairo Speech™ was supposed to stop this sort of thing?

Maybe it's time to send a Reset Button to Al Qaeda...

Only if the button is attached to a bomb.

761 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:04:59am

re: #713 Mithrax

Fair mornin Lizardim,

Just to share, because I can, I went and got engaged yesterday!

Congratulations!

That brought a huge smile to my face.

Be happy, the two of you!

762 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:05:08am

re: #733 Kenneth

Maybe it's time to send a Reset Button to Al Qaeda...

They would just rewire it and send it back.

763 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:05:11am

re: #715 doppelganglander

Hey, turn. LGF Island sounds like a reality show. I think my role would be grammar nazi, provider of second-rate French translations, recognizer of obscure TV and movie references, and third string pun squad.


my role...lying on the beach, of course! :-)

764 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:05:11am

re: #696 Killian Bundy

WTF? Hizb Ut Tahrir is a banned terrorist organization in many countries around the world. How is it they are free to sponsor events like that in America?

765 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:05:16am
766 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:05:22am

re: #744 Beach Lover

Hey..the dogs on LGF island will out number the members!
and will need the little luxuries, of course.
Did you see this picture on lucianne this morning?
[Link:

767 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:05:31am

re: #758 SasquatchOnSteroids

Yep, all those kids from Burqualee will have them.

They can wear them to the Hijazz concerts in the park.

768 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:05:42am

re: #744 Beach Lover

Hey..the dogs on LGF island will out number the members!
and will need the little luxuries, of course.
Did you see this picture on lucianne this morning?
[Link: www.lucianne.com...]
reminds me of the golden we lost in January...same face
:-(

Maybe so, and I feel for you, but all I can say upon seeing that picture is:

SQUISHIE! MY SQUISHIE!

769 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:06:04am

re: #716 vxbush

I suppose I will be the resident chocolate connoisseur? With numerous helpers...

Me!!

(I'll also walk the dogs ... to keep that waistline down ...!)

770 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:06:32am

Tariq Ramadan wins a victory...
Court Reverses Decision to Bar Swiss Muslim Scholar

In its ruling on Friday, a three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit held unanimously that the government was required to “confront Ramadan with the allegation against him and afford him the subsequent opportunity to demonstrate by clear and convincing evidence that he did not know, and reasonably should not have known, that the recipient of his contributions was a terrorist organization.”

The record was unclear whether a consular officer who had denied the visa had done so, the panel said in its 52-page ruling, written by Judge Jon O. Newman and joined by Judges Wilfred Feinberg and Reena Raggi. The appeals court ordered the lower court to give Professor Ramadan an opportunity to demonstrate the claims in his affidavit.

771 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:06:32am

re: #745 realwest

Good for you, {real}! I believe in being straight up with my doctor and I expect the same from him.

772 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:06:34am

re: #756 HoosierHoops

I wanna be the Coach!

Fine by me. But I don't do basketball, okay? I love to watch the game, but I can't play worth anything. Layups are completely beyond me.

773 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:07:00am

re: #666 apachegunner

can ya imagine an island full of LGF lizards? wonder who would be the leaders?

Well I don't know who the leaders would be, but I'm not a good follower. Really. Just sayin...

774 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:07:02am

Russia's latest test of its advanced submarine-launched ballistic missile Bulava has failed, with the missile self-destructing, the Defense Ministry said Thursday—another setback for the nation's efforts to upgrade its aging
arsenal.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Gee what a shame

775 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:07:10am

re: #745 realwest
I got your email about your visit. Hang in there...we need you, ya know?!

776 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:07:58am

re: #773 realwest

Well I don't know who the leaders would be, but I'm not a good follower. Really. Just sayin...

Okay, but I think we're going to need to limit the number of lawyers on our leadership council...

777 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:08:14am

re: #744 Beach Lover

Hey..the dogs on LGF island will out number the members!
and will need the little luxuries, of course.
Did you see this picture on lucianne this morning?
[Link:

778 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:08:21am

Anyone know who these people are?

Obama's Secret Dinner With Presidential Historians

It was a private interlude in Barack Obama's prime-time presidency. But the dinner he recently hosted at the White House for nine of America's most distinguished historians and scholars provided rare insight into Obama's intellectual curiosity, how he views his job, and, most important, his belief that he has a remarkable opportunity to bring transformational change to America.

For more than two hours on June 30, over lamb chops, salad, coffee, and dessert, the new president quizzed his guests on a wide range of topics in what was described as a sort of "history book club, with the president as the inquisitor." Those attending were Michael Beschloss, H. W. Brands, Douglas Brinkley, Robert Caro, Robert Dallek, Doris Kearns Goodwin, David Kennedy, Kenneth Mack, and Garry Wills. Collectively, they represent one of the most stellar collections of presidential expertise ever assembled at the White House. Others at the gathering included White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and senior adviser Valerie Jarrett.

779 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:08:29am

Beachie:

re: #766 redstateredneck

I swear I had a response on that post! I meant to tell you that I enjoyed that pic so much I forwarded it to several friends this morning.

780 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:08:35am

re: #755 Kosh's Shadow

Another "private citizen" talks to Hamas

Of course the " Administration" knew. Now whether what's her name, Hil... or something like that, knew is another matter.

781 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:08:58am

re: #677 vxbush
Ah, thank you!

782 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:09:04am

re: #772 vxbush

Fine by me. But I don't do basketball, okay? I love to watch the game, but I can't play worth anything. Layups are completely beyond me.

We start with summer co-ed softball...ease into the other sports...
I'll need a whistle and a waterboy by Adam Sandler

783 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:10:01am
784 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:10:03am

re: #778 NJDhockeyfan

Anyone know who these people are?

Obama's Secret Dinner With Presidential Historians

Yeah, all historians and authors. Oh and one big Brooklyn Dodgers fan

785 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:11:32am
786 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:11:33am

re: #772 vxbush

Fine by me. But I don't do basketball, okay? I love to watch the game, but I can't play worth anything. Layups are completely beyond me.

Girl, you'll be team leader for the scrabble challenge!

787 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:11:35am

re: #745 realwest

Morning real, what can I say? I wish this wasn't happening. Hang in there buddy.

788 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:11:37am

LEAKED: More Than Fifty House Progressives Privately Commit To Oppose Weak Health Care Bill

Progressive Democrats are taking a hard stand on health care reform, with a majority committing to oppose any health care reform package that doesn't include a robust public option. On Wednesday, they got an inadvertent assist by an anonymous leak of their "whip list."

A whip list, which is generally tightly guarded, is used by congressional leaders to keep track of the private pledges made by members before a vote. The list is kept private to encourage frank answers from members so that leadership can gather accurate intelligence.

The whip list was obtained by Joan McCarter, a DailyKos contributing editor. It names fifty members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) who have firmly pledged to oppose any bill that doesn't meet the group's standards. Without those fifty votes, Democrats would be unable to pass the reform effort without Republican support. (Once Judy Chu is sworn in, there will be 256 Democrats, and one "closet Democrat"; 218 are needed for passage, leaving Democrats 12 votes short.)

(Note: sources are HuffPo/DKos)

789 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:12:18am

re: #773 realwest

Well I don't know who the leaders would be, but I'm not a good follower. Really. Just sayin...

{realwest}

I am sure LGF would have topnotch legal representation, excellent medical and dental care, superior financial advice, computers that never crash, and fabulous food.

790 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:12:35am

re: #764 Kenneth

WTF? Hizb Ut Tahrir is a banned terrorist organization in many countries around the world. How is it they are free to sponsor events like that in America?

It's TOTUS' nNew America! See the flag they're waving in the video?

/that's the al Qaeda flag

791 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:12:46am

re: #786 redstateredneck

Girl, you'll be team leader for the scrabble challenge!

Absolutely! I'll bet we could field a kick-ass trivia team, too.

792 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:13:21am

re: #788 Pianobuff

LEAKED: More Than Fifty House Progressives Privately Commit To Oppose Weak Health Care Bill

(Note: sources are HuffPo/DKos)

Wow, I hope that's true!

793 mrbaracuda  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:13:25am
Tiny lizard falls like a feather

A tiny species of lizard is so light that it falls to the ground like a feather, scientists have discovered.

Outwardly, little of the animal's body seems adapted to flying, gliding or moving through the air in any way.

But a slow-motion camera has revealed that when the lizard jumps from a height, it can slow the rate of its descent and land gently on the ground.

The lizard's surprising aerial ability might help explain how some animals became true gliders.

Details of the little lizard's talents are published in the Journal of Experimental Biology.

BBC News

Awesome.

794 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:13:34am

re: #692 SasquatchOnSteroids

That is so damn true.

Got a hangnail ?
May cause anal leakage.

Allrighty.


ROTL!! "anal leakage" - you'd think they'd come up with something less...descriptive wouldn't ya?!

795 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:13:40am

Hmmm...

West Bank economy growing, even with Israeli security fence in place. Funny how that works. When you stop bombing Israelis, the economy will improve. Nearly all of the West Bank has been under Palestinian civil administrative control since 1994's Oslo Agreement, so the economic conditions there are directly related to how the Palestinians operate the territory and prevent terrorism.

Yet, that's not called a siege, even though Gaza has the same treatment (with Israel and Egypt both maintaining security fences and security corridors to prevent infiltration and terror attacks). The difference there is Hamas continues its war against Israel at every opportunity, though it is laying low for the most part at the present. Hamas cares even less about the wellbeing of Gazans than the rest of the world does.

Fatah is at least providing more stability and basic services, which enables the local economy to operate. That's not possible with Hamas in charge, and the more Gazans see this, the more they should come to question Hamas authority.

This has nothing to do with Israel, and everything to do with the choices made by the Palestinians.

796 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:14:35am

re: #779 redstateredneck
I know what happened!! I had to turn off that durn auto thingy cause it cut off and repeated comments to the point that I just gave up the other day. I thought it was just me..
glad you enjoyed the pic...it was bittersweet for me though.
Have a great weekend, everyone...have to leave for work!

797 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:14:38am

re: #789 doppelganglander

{realwest}

I am sure LGF would have topnotch legal representation, excellent medical and dental care, superior financial advice, computers that never crash, and fabulous food.


Walter in charge of the local entertainment..Thorbert can be the pool boy
Walking around bare footed exclaiming everything is FABULOUS!

798 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:14:53am

re: #766 redstateredneck

hey red, you're not very talkative today. ha

799 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:15:24am
800 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:15:25am

re: #791 doppelganglander

Absolutely! I'll bet we could field a kick-ass trivia team, too.


No doubt. My brain is chock full of totally useless knowledge.

801 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:15:37am

re: #786 redstateredneck

Girl, you'll be team leader for the scrabble challenge!

I accept!

802 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:15:37am

re: #795 lawhawk

Hmmm...

West Bank economy growing, even with Israeli security fence in place. Funny how that works. When you stop bombing Israelis, the economy will improve. Nearly all of the West Bank has been under Palestinian civil administrative control since 1994's Oslo Agreement, so the economic conditions there are directly related to how the Palestinians operate the territory and prevent terrorism.

Yet, that's not called a siege, even though Gaza has the same treatment (with Israel and Egypt both maintaining security fences and security corridors to prevent infiltration and terror attacks). The difference there is Hamas continues its war against Israel at every opportunity, though it is laying low for the most part at the present. Hamas cares even less about the wellbeing of Gazans than the rest of the world does.

Fatah is at least providing more stability and basic services, which enables the local economy to operate. That's not possible with Hamas in charge, and the more Gazans see this, the more they should come to question Hamas authority.

This has nothing to do with Israel, and everything to do with the choices made by the Palestinians.

Yup and maybe in 100 years they might be capable of governing themselves? Or maybe not.

803 Stuart Leviton  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:15:47am

Dry Bones is a treasure among comic strips. Y. Kirschen, the creator of Dry Bones, most recent strip comments on Obama's handpicking attendees to his recent attempt to assure the Jewish community about Israel.

Obama is gaining quite a reputation scripting news conferences.

What does shepherding information jibe (jive?) with Thomas Jefferson's correlating an educated and informed citizenry with liberty?

804 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:15:54am

re: #698 BlueCanuck
Hey Blue - why don't the rest of the Canadians just turn lose Quebec? I mean what all would you lose, on a net basis?!

805 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:16:07am

re: #797 HoosierHoops

Walter in charge of the local entertainment..Thorbert can be the pool boy
Walking around bare footed exclaiming everything is FABULOUS!

Hmmm, I think my real life role would be the straight man for a few jokes. I think I would be just one of the crowd. :)

806 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:16:18am

re: #798 turn

hey red, you're not very talkative today. ha

I don't know what the hell happened with that post!

807 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:16:47am

re: #799 buzzsawmonkey

Obama' Justice Department hires Human Rights Watch counsel with no prosecutorial experience to work in its National Security Division.

More here.

Are we feeling safe yet?

I read that last night. Disgraceful and how the hell did she get security clearance? You do need security clearance don't ya? G-D are we in trouble.

808 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:16:51am

re: #699 Pianobuff
And President Obama said: ?!

809 J.S.  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:16:58am

re: #795 lawhawk

..."so the economic conditions there are directly related to how the Palestinians operate the territory and prevent terrorism."

Well, I disagree -- it's also thanks to all the Euro Dollars and the millions and millions of aid monies flowing into these areas -- not just thanks to the "industry" of the local Palis.

810 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:17:00am

re: #797 HoosierHoops

Walter in charge of the local entertainment..Thorbert can be the pool boy
Walking around bare footed exclaiming everything is FABULOUS!

I would put Throbert on the cooking squad, with a secondary appointment to the grammar police. His new recipes are both delicious and well-written.

811 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:17:30am

re: #795 lawhawk

Exporting terrorism doesn't pay that well, I guess.
And Gaza had such a chance for a good economy; they were given many greenhouses, but destroyed them.
They made the mess; they can live in it.

812 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:17:35am
813 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:18:07am

re: #700 NJDhockeyfan

Did he say he was 'deeply concerned' yet?


He might have - Indonesia is the single largest Islamic nation in the world!

814 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:18:11am

re: #777 turn

wtf, it happened to me too ... weird. cue twilight zone tune

815 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:18:30am

re: #799 buzzsawmonkey

Obama' Justice Department hires Human Rights Watch counsel with no prosecutorial experience to work in its National Security Division.

More here.

Are we feeling safe yet?

Have to make sure we give terrorists their rights. Their victims have the right to have whatever remains we can find buried.

816 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:18:33am

re: #805 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, I think my real life role would be the straight man for a few jokes. I think I would be just one of the crowd. :)


We needs lots of fishing to keep the village fed and happy..
Plus we need a brewmaster...( the best job on the Island)

817 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:18:51am

re: #804 realwest

Hey Blue - why don't the rest of the Canadians just turn lose Quebec? I mean what all would you lose, on a net basis?!

Well it would make the trip to New Foundland Labrador a lot faster. :)
Believe me they have had two referendums over seperation. Both times the seperatists lost. Even with a weasel worded question in the second referendum. I think that they should all just give up on the whole distinct society thing and just finally assimilate with the rest of the country. They do have some great culture and food too. Anyone for some fresh poutine?

818 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:19:03am

re: #739 HoosierHoops

Heck no...I got a safe full of notes I collect...
That was for the meteorite...

Ok, thanks. Then back at you, I'll be sending you some 1000 year old Chinese coin for the fun of it. Give me about a week. I don't know if we have mail delivery up here in these hills :)

819 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:19:06am

re: #812 taxfreekiller

30 or so Blue Dogs will not vote for this crap unless they get the
Chicago cement feet treatment

Wouldn't it be something special if the Obamacare bill turned into a wishbone between the Blue Dogs and the Progs?

820 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:19:29am

re: #814 turn

wtf, it happened to me too ... weird. cue twilight zone tune

same reply to post...there's something very strange going on.

821 saberry0530  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:19:50am

re: #816 HoosierHoops

We needs lots of fishing to keep the village fed and happy..
Plus we need a brewmaster...( the best job on the Island)

No, that would be the Brew taste tester!

822 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:19:51am

Even the Dear Leader goes on a booze run in the middle of the night!

Your text to link...

823 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:20:41am

re: #809 J.S.

The aid wouldn't be flowing if Fatah wasn't at least making lip service to providing peace and preventing terrorism. Cause and effect.

824 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:21:18am

re: #817 BlueCanuck

Well it would make the trip to New Foundland Labrador a lot faster. :)
Believe me they have had two referendums over seperation. Both times the seperatists lost. Even with a weasel worded question in the second referendum. I think that they should all just give up on the whole distinct society thing and just finally assimilate with the rest of the country. They do have some great culture and food too. Anyone for some fresh poutine?

and alot of hydro electric power...whatever they do with it

825 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:21:59am

re: #822 Mithrax

Even the Dear Leader goes on a booze run in the middle of the night!

Your text to link...

For medicinal purposes!

The label on the North Korean makgeolli says the liquor is beneficial to those suffering from cancer, heart disease, cerebrovascular disease, diabetes and high blood pressure, the report said.
826 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:22:13am

re: #796 Beach Lover

I know what happened!! I had to turn off that durn auto thingy cause it cut off and repeated comments to the point that I just gave up the other day. I thought it was just me..
glad you enjoyed the pic...it was bittersweet for me though.
Have a great weekend, everyone...have to leave for work!

I was going to tell you sorry about your loss and that the caption to that pic could have read "Is MJ buried yet"

827 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:22:17am

re: #811 Kosh's Shadow

Gaza has the same possible economic opportunities as Netanya and Tel Aviv. It has the possibility to be a tourist destination and financial services center due to its proximity to Europe and the Med. Instead, war was chosen by Gazans, precluding the economic opportunities other than servicing the terror infrastructure.

828 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:22:36am
829 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:22:40am

re: #822 Mithrax

Even the Dear Leader goes on a booze run in the middle of the night!

Your text to link...

Do they carry porn also? I hear he likes that stuff with his nukes.

830 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:22:58am

re: #713 Mithrax
Hey Mazel Tov! Are ya really gonna go ahead with the marriage part?!
Uh, just, ya know, sorta thinking...ahead...!

Seriously (or not!) CONGRATULATIONS!

831 J.S.  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:23:07am

re: #823 lawhawk

Oh, right, I almost forgot, Fatah is sooo much better and less violent than HAMAS...(i was just reading that FATAH is claiming to have killed more Israelis than Hamas, hence, they're better...maybe they've also convinced the EU, eh?)...

832 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:23:55am

re: #806 redstateredneck

I don't know what the hell happened with that post!

I know, it happened to me too!

833 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:23:56am

re: #827 lawhawk

I've heard Fatah and Hamas aren't exactly good friends? Mahmoud Abbas isn't exactly a saint, but support for Fatah will put a pincer on Hamas (the other side being the Egyptian Government vs. the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas' parent group.)

834 irongrampa  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:24:02am

Not buying the "Blue Dog" label--they'll vote as they're told, any dissensions will be political cover-if it's labeled D, then you can't trust them PERIOD.

835 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:24:09am

re: #826 turn

I was going to tell you sorry about your loss and that the caption to that pic could have read "Is MJ buried yet"


actually the quote underneath asked if the Sotomayer hearings were over! LOL
now hafta really go! Bye all

836 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:24:28am
837 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:25:01am

re: #835 Beach Lover

Bye, {Beachie} !
Have a good day at work.

838 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:25:15am

re: #821 saberry0530

No, that would be the Brew taste tester!


We'll need to lay down a few rules.. You must spend at least 2 hours a day on the beach relaxing.. Or we sent the beach police after your ass...

839 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:25:16am

re: #834 irongrampa

Not buying the "Blue Dog" label--they'll vote as they're told, any dissensions will be political cover-if it's labeled D, then you can't trust them PERIOD.

I don't want to think that anyone who has a D after their name is automatically suspect. I would like to think that there are honest people who are democrats who don't like what is going on. The alternative is not a happy one.

840 Stuart Leviton  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:25:33am

re: #696 Killian Bundy

[Video]

Hello, DHS, anyone, Janet?

/only in TOTUS' New America


Note: The Palestinian Authority prevented the West Bank (Ramallah) Khilafah conference and arrested the activists. Khilafah homepage

841 Mithrax  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:25:39am

re: #830 realwest

Hey Mazel Tov! Are ya really gonna go ahead with the marriage part?!
Uh, just, ya know, sorta thinking...ahead...!

Seriously (or not!) CONGRATULATIONS!

Yup. I'm serious. I'm happy, she's happy, her son is happy, so why not make it official.

842 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:26:29am

re: #834 irongrampa

Not buying the "Blue Dog" label--they'll vote as they're told, any dissensions will be political cover-if it's labeled D, then you can't trust them PERIOD.

That's probably true, but then again, these guys were elected from conservative districts and they have to answer to their constituents in a little more than a year. San Fran Nan may be Congresscritter for Life in her district, but not everyone is going to cruise to reelection despite their voting record.

843 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:27:00am

re: #789 doppelganglander

{realwest}

I am sure LGF would have topnotch legal representation, excellent medical and dental care, superior financial advice, computers that never crash, and fabulous food.

And the best-behaved, most lovable dogs and cats evah!

844 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:27:09am
845 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:27:23am

re: #836 SasquatchOnSteroids

Lick it up

that Les Paul looks totally incongruous

846 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:27:26am

re: #839 vxbush

I don't want to think that anyone who has a D after their name is automatically suspect. I would like to think that there are honest people who are democrats who don't like what is going on. The alternative is not a happy one.

I think that Gene Taylor from Mississippi is a good guy. He's not my congressman, but he's a true blue dog.

847 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:28:11am

re: #726 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey HOw about this one - one of my favorites from the John Barlyecorn Album: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

848 justabill  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:28:28am

re: #792 doppelganglander

Wow, I hope that's true!

I don't, it will just motivate them to make a strong public plan and ram rod it thru with only minimal republican support.

If this block wasn't there, leadership might water the bill down somewhat to be able to call it "bipartisan".

849 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:28:30am
851 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:29:14am

re: #843 yma o hyd

And space defense "lasers" to deflect any attempt at an attack.

/bwahahahaha, bwahahahaha, bwahahahaha.

852 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:31:55am

re: #851 laZardo

And space defense "lasers" to deflect any attempt at an attack.

/bwahahahaha, bwahahahaha, bwahahahaha.


LGF Island...Home of the largest Puka shell necklace manufacturer in the South Pacific..

853 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:32:15am

re: #848 justabill

I don't, it will just motivate them to make a strong public plan and ram rod it thru with only minimal republican support.

If this block wasn't there, leadership might water the bill down somewhat to be able to call it "bipartisan".

My impression is that the Blue Dogs are voting against the plan. There's already basically no Republican support, and if you subtract 50 Dem votes, that puts it close to failing. (I don't know the actual numbers off the top of my head.) I think there's zero chance they'll modify the bill to accommodate the Blue Dogs - they'll just try to bully them into voting for it.

854 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:32:40am

re: #752 lawhawk
"They figure that if they use rape or the threat of rape, it will deter protesters from showing. Rape victims are shunned, and the regime figures that the stigma of being raped will undermine the protesters."
Damn I wish Reagan were alive, well and POTUS right now.
Sonsofbitches need to be taught a lesson. A hard lesson.
I've reported your comment in the (no doubt vain) hope Charles will make a thread out of it).

855 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:32:54am

re: #843 yma o hyd

And the best-behaved, most lovable dogs and cats evah!

Morning yma, hey the boob did something funny yesterday. He spotted this lizard on the trail and took off after it. His bolt frightened a ground squirrel that neither of us saw and that squirrel ran right over the top of that lizard. The boob didn't know which one to chase for a split second and they both got away. It was so funny.

856 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:33:22am

Breaking News!

We just had ten minutes of SUNSHINE here in South Wales!

(Yeah - its gone away again now ...)

857 Dianna  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:33:24am

I see on elevator news that the Religion of Pieces is at it again in Jakarta. 2 suicide bombers, coordinated, at the Mariott.

858 avanti  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:33:27am

re: #850 NJDhockeyfan

President Climate Change Approves Cutting Down Forest

Not cutting down the forest, cutting 381 acres out of 17,000 million in the forest. Even a tree hugger should not lose sleep over that nick.

859 irongrampa  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:34:48am

re: #839 vxbush

re: #842 doppelganglander

I realize that's a broad indictment, but given who's in charge, seems it's a logical one. Just my opinion,ymmv.

860 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:34:48am

re: #765 taxfreekiller

keep your eyes on the tree line ahead
keep your head in the game
you got what it takes
use it


Totally and completely covered my friend.

861 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:34:52am

re: #858 avanti

Not cutting down the forest, cutting 381 acres out of 17,000 million in the forest. Even a tree hugger should not lose sleep over that nick.

And if it were Bush, they'd be screeching like spotted owls.

862 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:35:04am

re: #857 Dianna

Yet another man-caused disaster. I guess we're all equally to blame for it. Bad Mankind!

863 Dianna  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:36:16am

re: #862 Lincolntf

Yet another man-caused disaster. I guess we're all equally to blame for it. Bad Mankind!

Evidently. I read a nasty death-toll. I guess they "deserved" it.

864 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:36:16am

re: #859 irongrampa

re: #842 doppelganglander

I realize that's a broad indictment, but given who's in charge, seems it's a logical one. Just my opinion,ymmv.

The leadership have shown that they will lie through their noses to get what they want. But they are not the same as all Democrats.

865 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:37:04am

re: #831 J.S.

You misunderstand what I'm saying. Fatah has given the appearance of being moderate, even though their history is far bloodier than that of Hamas (it's an older terrorist group that was and still is the largest faction of the PLO). Their current MO is to play the triangle offense against Israel - allowing Hamas and Islamic Jihad to fight actively, while they continue to rake in the money from foreign aid.

It's the appearances that count for the diplomats, who are quick to give aid to Palestinians, but who ignore the bombs, mortars, attacks, etc. on Israel until Israel responds with force to protect itself and its citizens from said attacks.

866 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:37:15am

re: #864 vxbush

The leadership have shown that they will lie through their noses to get what they want. But they are not the same as all Democrats.

I lump them all together...better safe than sorry

867 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:37:21am

re: #858 avanti

Not cutting down the forest, cutting 381 acres out of 17,000 million in the forest. Even a tree hugger should not lose sleep over that nick.

Unfortunately almost all tree huggers don't see it that way. Evil man is still exploiting Gaia and should be punished severely.

868 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:37:52am

re: #855 turn

Morning yma, hey the boob did something funny yesterday. He spotted this lizard on the trail and took off after it. His bolt frightened a ground squirrel that neither of us saw and that squirrel ran right over the top of that lizard. The boob didn't know which one to chase for a split second and they both got away. It was so funny.

Hiya, {turn}!

It is so funny when stuff like that happens!

Madame, a couple of Christmases ago, had got hold of the christmas ball for her - and had her paws on Big dog's Christmas ball as well. i called her - and she dropped the one, tried to get the other which slid away on the floor - she tried giving chase but couldn't make up her mind which one to pounce on! Meanwhile her paws were slithering all over the place ...

Having a dog means there's always something to smile giggle about!

869 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:37:52am
870 jcm  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:38:21am

We're having a heatwave.

Gonna' hit 90° today in the Great Northwet.

871 avanti  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:38:32am

re: #861 doppelganglander

And if it were Bush, they'd be screeching like spotted owls.

That's what the guy at the link was doing, but I'm not buying the concern. If some of the greens had their way, we'd not cut one tree, so they'll be upset whoever is POTUS allowing the cutting.

872 irongrampa  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:38:46am

re: #844 taxfreekiller

Good to see them stuck between the rock and a hard place. Hope the pressure increases, maybe it'll weed out some of the jerks.

873 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:39:29am

re: #842 doppelganglander

That's probably true, but then again, these guys were elected from conservative districts and they have to answer to their constituents in a little more than a year. San Fran Nan may be Congresscritter for Life in her district, but not everyone is going to cruise to reelection despite their voting record.

Mike Ross, a leader of the Blue Dogs, has an A+ rating from the National Rifle Association.

Do any other Democrats?

874 Stuart Leviton  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:40:10am

Mazel Tov Mithrax!

875 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:40:18am

re: #867 BlueCanuck

Unfortunately almost all tree huggers don't see it that way. Evil man is still exploiting Gaia and should be punished severely.

GW is gonna fry us all!...btw it's 64deg in Bismark right now

876 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:40:19am

re: #870 jcm

We're supposed to have thunderstorms today. And I'm sure we will, because I don't have an umbrella.

877 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:40:25am

re: #867 BlueCanuck

They (the green-nuts) routinely work to have hundreds of thousands of acres declared off-limits to protect tiny (if not outright spurious) spots with endangered species/"precious" flora, etc. in them.
It's been their m.o. forever.

878 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:40:43am
879 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:40:51am

re: #771 redstateredneck
Hey {red} - thanks, but "miscommunications" with an Oncolgist can be, ah, severe in their consequences!

880 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:41:12am

re: #869 taxfreekiller

So, if that is ok why not use 381 ac. and drill in Anwar?

EXTREMIST!

881 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:41:34am

re: #790 Killian Bundy

Similar flag, but not identical to AQ's. Similar ideology, too, but not identical.

882 jcm  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:41:57am

re: #869 taxfreekiller

So, if that is ok why not use 381 ac. and drill in Anwar?

Out of 19 million.

883 justabill  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:42:11am

re: #853 doppelganglander

My impression is that the Blue Dogs are voting against the plan. There's already basically no Republican support, and if you subtract 50 Dem votes, that puts it close to failing. (I don't know the actual numbers off the top of my head.) I think there's zero chance they'll modify the bill to accommodate the Blue Dogs - they'll just try to bully them into voting for it.

These are not Blue Dogs, they are "Progressives". To quote the first line of the article...

"Progressive Democrats are taking a hard stand on health care reform, with a majority committing to oppose any health care reform package that doesn't include a robust public option. "

"Robust Public Option" means government supported Plan. It is this plan that will be able to use Govt money and the implicit guarantee of govt repayment of its debts to "compete" with private plans without such funding/guarantees and drive them out of business.

884 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:42:19am

re: #870 jcm

We're having a heatwave.

[Video]Gonna' hit 90° today in the Great Northwet.

it's 91 in ABQ right now

885 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:42:32am

re: #787 turn
Hey thanks turn! How are you doing today?

886 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:42:56am

re: #873 razorbacker

Mike Ross, a leader of the Blue Dogs, has an A+ rating from the National Rifle Association.

Do any other Democrats?

good catch...I feel a little better

887 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:42:57am

Breaking from Rasmussen: 50% Oppose Government Health Insurance Company


Just 35% of U.S. voters now support the creation of a government health insurance company to compete with private health insurers.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 50% of voters oppose setting up a government health insurance company as President Obama and congressional Democrats are now proposing in their health care reform plan. Fifteen percent (15%) are undecided.

In mid-June, 41% of American adults thought setting up a government health insurance company to compete with private health insurance companies was a good idea, but the identical number (41%) disagreed.

Wow what a gap to develop in such a short period... Keep your fingers crossed.

888 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:43:00am

re: #873 razorbacker

Mike Ross, a leader of the Blue Dogs, has an A+ rating from the National Rifle Association.

Do any other Democrats?

I don't know, but I'm pleased to hear that.

889 irongrampa  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:43:01am

re: #873 razorbacker

I remember reading about this person, can't find the source right now, it stuck in my head that he voted D 81%, is the NRA endorsement enough to overcome that?

890 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:43:15am

re: #858 avanti

Not cutting down the forest, cutting 381 acres out of 17,000 million in the forest. Even a tree hugger should not lose sleep over that nick.

I agree but the link to the DUmmies is hilarious.

Here are a few comment:

32. fuck them for this. fuck them.

169. We Fought Tooth And Nail Against Bush To Prevent This and POS Vilsack DLCRepublicrat Updated at 11:00 PM
Goes and GIVES AWAY THE FARM! Fuck 'em!

145. That is a rediculous assesment

Over a 50-year lifetime, a tree generates $31,250 worth of oxygen, provides $62,000 worth of air pollution control, recycles $37,500 worth of water, and controls $31,250 worth of soil erosion. How many trees lets assume 1000 trees per acre

Do the math Obama is authorizing the waste of roughly $1,231,200,000 per year with this idiocy there is no excuse for this and the jobs just don't equal the cost.

116. Whaddya mean?

Apparently they ARE committed to climate warming.

27. After all, they need to clear 381 acres for the new GMO species they will plant.

Oh, we need to plant GMO trees because the bugs are killing the tree's due to Global warming... Boo Hoo Hoo.

This Administration is just as slimy as Clinton's was discovered to be years after he left office.

We are so fucked.

37. Were you around the week that Obama Adminstration said that the Updated at 3:39 PM

Chemtrail program would have to be implemented.

Not kidding - this Administration is so popular that it can now let it be known that the giant spray rigs above our heads twenty four seven do exist, and that all is well, as the noxious chemicals will bring about a perfect climate free from The Global Warming Climate Crisis.

We really are screwn.

And on and on and on...

891 J.S.  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:43:18am

re: #865 lawhawk

"It's the appearances that count for the diplomats..."

Yeah, sure. Tell me another one...as if the Euros don't realize the murderous ways of FATAH? Please...let's get real here. The Euros know full well what FATAH is all about -- as does everyone else -- but (as is typical for the Euros) they want to play their hypocrisy games -- like some smiling Stalinist who murders while smiling and congratulating himself on his "pacifism".

892 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:43:24am

re: #870 jcm

Time to put your shorts in the icebox.

893 Dianna  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:43:37am

My corgi isn't feeling well. We woke up this morning to him beside the bed, having thrown up three times (or maybe four, since I didn't find the last until I was heading out the door for work): in the entryway to the house, on the stairs, in the parlor, and beside the bed. He refused breakfast.

However, his nose is cool and wet, he's drinking water, but not to excess, and he seemed a little easier when I gave him his "be a good dog" scritch.

894 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:43:43am
895 wiffersnapper  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:43:44am

Ron Paul must HATE this quote.

896 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:43:58am

re: #858 avanti

Not cutting down the forest, cutting 381 acres out of 17,000 million in the forest. Even a tree hugger should not lose sleep over that nick.

Quite concur.

897 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:44:24am

I just finished reading the comments on Krauthammer's latest piece about the moon and re-realized why I don't read the comments on the WaPo. Now I have to wash my mouth our with soap.

898 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:44:32am

Obama fix the economy moron.

899 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:44:40am

re: #889 irongrampa

I remember reading about this person, can't find the source right now, it stuck in my head that he voted D 81%, is the NRA endorsement enough to overcome that?

It's the best that you're going to get from the southern half of Arkansas right now.

900 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:44:41am

re: #868 yma o hyd

Hiya, {turn}!

It is so funny when stuff like that happens!

Madame, a couple of Christmases ago, had got hold of the christmas ball for her - and had her paws on Big dog's Christmas ball as well. i called her - and she dropped the one, tried to get the other which slid away on the floor - she tried giving chase but couldn't make up her mind which one to pounce on! Meanwhile her paws were slithering all over the place ...

Having a dog means there's always something to smile giggle about!

{yma} and to be totally amazed at too. That friggin hound dawg sniffed out another tennis ball the other day. He was bouncing along the trail, hit the breaks, put his head up in the air, and zig-zagged off the trail about thirty feet in the deep weeds and bang, up he comes with this tennis ball that must have been there for years.

901 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:44:51am

re: #887 Pianobuff

Who are these dangerous people who oppose Socialized Medicine? Must all be racists.

//

902 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:45:26am

re: #890 NJDhockeyfan

I saw a recent DU comment that said something like the Republican party is the "political arm of the KKK." Delusional idiots.

903 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:46:06am

re: #890 NJDhockeyfan

Obama lied! Oxygen died!

/Moonbat

904 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:46:12am

re: #858 avanti

Not cutting down the forest, cutting 381 acres out of 17,000 million in the forest. Even a tree hugger should not lose sleep over that nick.

You want to bet. I went over to my favorite sandwich shop to get a salad yesterday for supper, and I was stopped by a Greenpeace zombie on the street, asking me if I cared about saving trees, prevent them from being cut down.

Well, he was taking a survey, and wanted my answers. I told him I would consider the validity of his positions as soon as he gets rid of the wooden pencil in his hand.

Touche'.

905 Dianna  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:46:28am

re: #890 NJDhockeyfan

1,000 trees per acre?! They would be trunk-to-trunk!

Bad, bad math.

906 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:46:29am

re: #902 Mad Al-Jaffee

I saw a recent DU comment that said something like the Republican party is the "political arm of the KKK." Delusional idiots.

I like the chemtrail reference. Heh

907 avanti  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:46:38am

re: #890 NJDhockeyfan

And on and on and on...

I'm personally not unhappy that the extreme greenies don't like Obama's policies. BTW, those comments were kinda funny.

908 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:46:48am

re: #789 doppelganglander
OK! Now just throw in free guns and ammo and I'm there!

909 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:47:36am

re: #887 Pianobuff

Breaking from Rasmussen: 50% Oppose Government Health Insurance Company

Wow what a gap to develop in such a short period... Keep your fingers crossed.

That a first step to effective pressure, but only a first step. The next step is from those you who have pressurable congresscritters to able pressure. Write them, call them, email them, and get your friends to do the same. The congressman in my parents' district is new so I'm going to get my dad to go after him. Sad to say, there is nothing I can do on this front: My congresscritter is Jan Sharkowsky, a straight-left moonbat.

910 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:47:41am

re: #883 justabill

These are not Blue Dogs, they are "Progressives". To quote the first line of the article...

"Progressive Democrats are taking a hard stand on health care reform, with a majority committing to oppose any health care reform package that doesn't include a robust public option. "

"Robust Public Option" means government supported Plan. It is this plan that will be able to use Govt money and the implicit guarantee of govt repayment of its debts to "compete" with private plans without such funding/guarantees and drive them out of business.

Okay, I misunderstood.

911 irongrampa  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:47:41am

re: #899 razorbacker

Well, at least it's not New York. Being conservative here is a losing proposition, unless you live upstate --in the sticks--surprisingly conservative, but the major pop centers counteract that.

912 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:47:46am

re: #890 NJDhockeyfan

a 1000 trees per acre?...ridiculous

913 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:48:02am

re: #898 Ojoe

Obama fix the economy moron.

Let me see if I can find him.

Nope, sorry. I'm afraid he's somewhere in Ghana practicing his facial expressions and talking about something.

914 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:48:16am

re: #889 irongrampa

I remember reading about this person, can't find the source right now, it stuck in my head that he voted D 81%, is the NRA endorsement enough to overcome that?

He also voted against Cap and Trade.

Is leading the fight against Obamacare in the Democrat House.

Perfect? Oh, no. But he could be a Vic Snyder.

915 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:48:20am

re: #905 Dianna

That is a tree in every 6 foot 6 inch square, approximately.

916 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:48:22am

re: #893 Dianna

My corgi isn't feeling well. We woke up this morning to him beside the bed, having thrown up three times (or maybe four, since I didn't find the last until I was heading out the door for work): in the entryway to the house, on the stairs, in the parlor, and beside the bed. He refused breakfast.

However, his nose is cool and wet, he's drinking water, but not to excess, and he seemed a little easier when I gave him his "be a good dog" scritch.

I'm not a vet, but with our dogs, if they throw up, we generally don't feed them for at least one meal, but usually 24 hours, and then start at about 1/4 their normal amount of food, increasing over a few meals.
If the dog seems otherwise OK, that will probably work but if the dog seems in pain, get it to a vet right away,

917 Charpete67  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:48:50am

re: #909 Dark_Falcon

That a first step to effective pressure, but only a first step. The next step is from those you who have pressurable congresscritters to able pressure. Write them, call them, email them, and get your friends to do the same. The congressman in my parents' district is new so I'm going to get my dad to go after him. Sad to say, there is nothing I can do on this front: My congresscritter is Jan Sharkowsky, a straight-left moonbat.

Imagine if you lived in Minnesota...who the hell am I going to call?...Franken?

918 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:48:59am

re: #827 lawhawk

Gaza has the same possible economic opportunities as Netanya and Tel Aviv. It has the possibility to be a tourist destination...

Make exotic Gaza your next holiday destination!
Gaza... come for the jihad, stay for the executions!

919 srb1976  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:49:00am

Morning folks...hope everyone is ok...
The AC guy is here, should be done in a couple hours...good thing too...supposed to hit 95 today

920 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:49:35am

re: #885 realwest

Hey thanks turn! How are you doing today?

Fine real, thanks. I took yesterday off and today is a short day, the company is having a picnic this afternoon so that should be fun. Food and games, plus a good raffle. Weather here 107 today, not so good for a picnic though. I think I'll have a cold beer in my hand.

921 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:49:41am

re: #893 Dianna

My corgi isn't feeling well. We woke up this morning to him beside the bed, having thrown up three times (or maybe four, since I didn't find the last until I was heading out the door for work): in the entryway to the house, on the stairs, in the parlor, and beside the bed. He refused breakfast.

However, his nose is cool and wet, he's drinking water, but not to excess, and he seemed a little easier when I gave him his "be a good dog" scritch.

Poor baby. I hope it's just something he ate and nothing serious.

922 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:49:50am
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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

WOW...what do you have to do to get deleted at DU?

923 sngnsgt  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:49:55am

re: #893 Dianna

:-( Maybe he had a bad dream.

924 Charpete67  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:49:57am

re: #915 Ojoe

That is a tree in every 6 foot 6 inch square, approximately.

Bonsai trees?...

925 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:50:07am

re: #917 Charpete67

Imagine if you lived in Minnesota...who the hell am I going to call?...Franken?

If I lived in Minnesota, I'd have a few thing to call him.

926 Dianna  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:50:13am

re: #915 Ojoe

That is a tree in every 6 foot 6 inch square, approximately.

Too right.

927 jcm  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:50:13am

re: #892 Kenneth

Time to put your shorts in the icebox.

AC is not the norm for homes in these parts, we don't get that many days over 90°, the summer evenings are very nice however.

928 irongrampa  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:50:39am

re: #922 NJDhockeyfan

Post as a conservative--works every time.

929 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:50:49am

re: #922 NJDhockeyfan

WOW...what do you have to do to get deleted at DU?

Pro-Bush remark?

The Pledge of Allegiance?

/

930 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:50:52am

re: #922 NJDhockeyfan

WOW...what do you have to do to get deleted at DU?

praise Bush?

931 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:51:18am
932 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:51:32am

re: #922 NJDhockeyfan

WOW...what do you have to do to get deleted at DU?

I did good, didn't I ?

//

933 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:51:52am

re: #917 Charpete67

Imagine if you lived in Minnesota...who the hell am I going to call?...Franken?

Just look at yourself in the mirror and say "I like who I am..."

934 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:51:58am

re: #924 Charpete67

That would work.
And there is such a thing as a pygmy forest.

935 Dianna  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:52:19am

re: #916 Kosh's Shadow

No sign of pain, just upset. He doesn't like a mess in the house, even if it wasn't his fault.

Since he refused breakfast, our dog walker will try him later, and let me know what's going on. I'll take him to the vet if he isn't better by this evening.

936 srb1976  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:52:26am

re: #916 Kosh's Shadow

That sounds a lot like the advice our pediatrician gave us about the kids...

937 Charpete67  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:52:33am

re: #933 CommonCents

Just look at yourself in the mirror and say "I like who I am..."

...well...people do like me...

938 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:52:44am

re: #890 NJDhockeyfan

What do you want to bet the person bitching about the economic loss (how the hell do you come up with those numbers anyhow) has never planted one single tree?

939 sngnsgt  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:52:54am

re: #933 CommonCents

And people like me...

940 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:53:05am
941 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:53:08am

Good morning (or any other part of the day, depending on your particular location on the planet currently), everyone! I hope that things are moving along swimmingly for y'all!

942 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:53:20am

Fun story out of Chicagoland:

Lake Co.'s most-wanted lizard finally captured

That Monitor knew the proper job of a lizard: eating mice and rats, just like we eat mousey liberals and rat bastards.

943 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:53:40am

1 acre = 43,560 sq. ft.

944 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:53:45am

re: #934 Ojoe

That would work.
And there is such a thing as a pygmy forest.

How many Japanese gardeners would be needed per acre?

/

945 justabill  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:53:54am

re: #910 doppelganglander

Okay, I misunderstood.

Not a problem. Easy thing to do. Generally anyone who is againist passage would be a good thing...

946 Dianna  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:54:04am

re: #923 sngnsgt

:-( Maybe he had a bad dream.

Who knows? I suspect, given that he is a corgi, that he snatched up something nasty I never saw.

Usually, that's the black mutt's trick, but he's been hanging around her for seven years, almost.

947 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:54:15am
948 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:54:35am

re: #935 Dianna

No sign of pain, just upset. He doesn't like a mess in the house, even if it wasn't his fault.

Since he refused breakfast, our dog walker will try him later, and let me know what's going on. I'll take him to the vet if he isn't better by this evening.

With seven dogs, we'd always be going to the vet. Especially those that eat everything outside.
One dog threw up in the morning; it looked like grass and a piece of rawhide he must have swallowed whole. I figured that was it and fed him, and he was fine.

949 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:54:49am

re: #893 Dianna

My corgi isn't feeling well. We woke up this morning to him beside the bed, having thrown up three times (or maybe four, since I didn't find the last until I was heading out the door for work): in the entryway to the house, on the stairs, in the parlor, and beside the bed. He refused breakfast.

However, his nose is cool and wet, he's drinking water, but not to excess, and he seemed a little easier when I gave him his "be a good dog" scritch.

Aww - poor things: both you and The Corgi!

Dogs do get these upset stomachs - best thing to do is to let them drink as much as they want, but make them fast for 24 hours.
(Yeah - thats something they don't appreciate at all - but it works!)

After that - small meals, four or five times a day, best just boiled rice and chicken - and I usually put a dollop of bio-yoghurt on it, for teh beneficial gut bacteria ...

Madame sends her wuffs and licks!

950 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:54:50am

re: #938 turn

What do you want to bet the person bitching about the economic loss (how the hell do you come up with those numbers anyhow) has never planted one single tree?

And they drive a leta model American car with a V8 that leaks oil and leaves a smoke trail down the road.

951 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:54:57am

re: #937 Charpete67

...well...people do like me...

Are you good enough, and smart enough?

952 poteen  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:55:23am

re: #922 NJDhockeyfan

WOW...what do you have to do to get deleted at DU?

Advocate lucidity.

953 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:55:28am

re: #922 NJDhockeyfan

WOW...what do you have to do to get deleted at DU?

Anything that doesn't fit in with their hive mentality will get deleted.

954 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:55:31am

re: #900 turn

My red female member of the dachshund pack is OCD for a tennis ball. We have to hide them from her. When my daughter was on the high school tennis team, she had a mesh bag full of tennis balls in her closet. I heard this thumping and banging around and here came Dee dragging the bag. She thought she'd hit the damn jackpot!

955 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:55:44am

re: #947 Ojoe

Bonsai!

956 Dianna  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:55:47am

re: #938 turn

What do you want to bet the person bitching about the economic loss (how the hell do you come up with those numbers anyhow) has never planted one single tree?

No, but he probably paid an extra dollar for something to get a tree planted in his name! That makes him virtuous.

957 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:55:49am

re: #893 Dianna

My corgi isn't feeling well. We woke up this morning to him beside the bed, having thrown up three times (or maybe four, since I didn't find the last until I was heading out the door for work): in the entryway to the house, on the stairs, in the parlor, and beside the bed. He refused breakfast.

However, his nose is cool and wet, he's drinking water, but not to excess, and he seemed a little easier when I gave him his "be a good dog" scritch.

sorry to hear about that Dianna, I hope he perks up. btw I watched "Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead" again this weekend. That was a little corji they were giving bong hits too, right? cute little dog.

958 Charpete67  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:56:04am

re: #947 Ojoe

PHOTO of pygmy forest.

The people in the pic look like the people who think there should be a tree every 6 feet.

959 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:56:08am

re: #870 jcm

We're having a heatwave.

Youtube Video

Gonna' hit 90° today in the Great Northwet.

Nice, and Chicagoland will barely scrape 75 today, and struggle to get past that tomorrow. It's been a cool July so far.

960 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:56:17am

re: #949 yma o hyd

Aww - poor things: both you and The Corgi!

Dogs do get these upset stomachs - best thing to do is to let them drink as much as they want, but make them fast for 24 hours.
(Yeah - thats something they don't appreciate at all - but it works!)

After that - small meals, four or five times a day, best just boiled rice and chicken - and I usually put a dollop of bio-yoghurt on it, for teh beneficial gut bacteria ...

Madame sends her wuffs and licks!

We just give them their regular food, but we get this "natural" food from the vet. (Blue Buffalo)

961 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:56:29am

re: #947 Ojoe

PHOTO of pygmy forest.

Where are all the pygmies?

962 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:56:35am

re: #947 Ojoe

PHOTO of pygmy forest.

Damn, it's full of hippies!

/

963 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:57:01am

re: #926 Dianna

Too right.

No. An acre equals 43,560 square feet. A square 208 ft by 208 ft is one acre. If you planted trees at 6 ft intervals, you would get 1225 trees in an acre.

964 Charpete67  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:57:32am

re: #962 OldLineTexan

Damn, it's full of hippies!

/

I think those trees were photo-shopped in to make the people look like giants.

965 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:57:43am

re: #963 Kenneth

That is why it is 6ft 6 inches.

966 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:58:00am

re: #948 Kosh's Shadow

With seven dogs, we'd always be going to the vet. Especially those that eat everything outside.
One dog threw up in the morning; it looked like grass and a piece of rawhide he must have swallowed whole. I figured that was it and fed him, and he was fine.

For dogs with a reputation as mincing fairies, my poodles LOVE eating (or at least mouthing) disgusting non-food items. The toy poodle is especially fond of digging little sloped holes ... I swear he's after grubs.

BTW, they are NOT starving!

967 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:58:07am

re: #900 turn

{yma} and to be totally amazed at too. That friggin hound dawg sniffed out another tennis ball the other day. He was bouncing along the trail, hit the breaks, put his head up in the air, and zig-zagged off the trail about thirty feet in the deep weeds and bang, up he comes with this tennis ball that must have been there for years.

Hah!
He's a proper hound!

Just be glad its only tennis balls he's after, because he can get them on his own.

Big Dog sniffed out all the footballs and rugby balls left behind after the practice sessions in the park - and they were usually deeply embedded in the thickest of bramble-and-nettle thickets!
He stood tehre, abrking his head off, until my poor husband waded in, death defying, and extricated said ball.
Big Dog was soo proud of those balls.
House is still full of them ...

968 Stuart Leviton  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:58:13am

re: #918 Kenneth

Make exotic Gaza your next holiday destination!
Gaza... come for the jihad, stay for the executions!


Maybe Cynthia McKinney could do a tv spot.

969 jcm  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:58:13am

re: #947 Ojoe

PHOTO of pygmy forest.

That's not a nice thing to call hippies...

/// ;-P

970 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:58:14am

re: #962 OldLineTexan

Hippiefield?

/where's the shaky camera when you need it!?

971 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:58:16am

re: #841 Mithrax

Yup. I'm serious. I'm happy, she's happy, her son is happy, so why not make it official.


I am very,VERY glad to hear that - all the best to you!

972 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:58:32am

re: #943 Gus 802

1 acre = 43,560 sq. ft.

But not in a square. Little known to many, an acre is a rectangle, not a square.

973 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:58:56am

re: #927 jcm

You're up in the pacific northwest, if I recall correctly? I got family just north of the border in Vancouver. Usually very nice weather in the summer.

974 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:59:00am

re: #919 srb1976

Morning folks...hope everyone is ok...
The AC guy is here, should be done in a couple hours...good thing too...supposed to hit 95 today

Morning srb, 107 here today.

975 Charpete67  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:59:08am

re: #969 jcm

That's not a nice thing to call hippies...

/// ;-P

They're not Pygmies...they're "little hippies"...

976 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:59:14am

re: #947 Ojoe

PHOTO of pygmy forest.

I think I see Johnny Weissmaller swinging thru there.

977 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:59:18am

re: #963 Kenneth

No. An acre equals 43,560 square feet. A square 208 ft by 208 ft is one acre. If you planted trees at 6 ft intervals, you would get 1225 trees in an acre.

there are no old growth taiga trees that close...a quick google will show 3-400

978 Dianna  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:59:21am

re: #963 Kenneth

No. An acre equals 43,560 square feet. A square 208 ft by 208 ft is one acre. If you planted trees at 6 ft intervals, you would get 1225 trees in an acre.

So I see - I just ran the numbers (I got myself all bolixed between linear and square, since I don't figure either too often). As you and I both know, that's not how forests work.

979 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 8:59:40am

re: #935 Dianna

No sign of pain, just upset. He doesn't like a mess in the house, even if it wasn't his fault.

Since he refused breakfast, our dog walker will try him later, and let me know what's going on. I'll take him to the vet if he isn't better by this evening.


we feed our sheltie rice when shes having a problem. Seems to always work, and she loves it too.

980 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:00:15am

re: #844 taxfreekiller
I sure hope he's right about that TFK. I mean I REALLY hope he's right about that.
Cause, ya know, when it comes to the Leftist Party, they've got that ole party unity thing down pretty pat.

981 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:00:23am

re: #965 Ojoe

Oops, I misread that as only 6 inches. my bad. Carry on.

982 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:01:20am

re: #972 Honorary Yooper

But not in a square. Little known to many, an acre is a rectangle, not a square.

So when I see a sign on a bit of pasture that says "FOR SALE 2.187 ACRES", is it three rectangles? How do they measure corners that aren't 90 degrees? What about a triangle? My yard is a rectangle plus a truncated cone ... does part not count?

Can you tell I'm not buying that little-known "fact"?

983 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:02:01am

re: #947 Ojoe

PHOTO of pygmy forest.

Where is that at ojoe?

984 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:02:16am

I'm out in the shop cleaning the sparkplug on the push mower. Big Boy is sitting on the workbench commenting, in that superior cat-way, on my filing technique and how if I'd just get out of the way he could gap that plug much better than I can. I don't notice that Dawg has crept up behind me and flopped down waiting for me to get through and pet him.

I take a step backwards and come down squarely on Dawg's tail. He yelps. I yelp. Big Boy yowls (in sympathy, I guess. He ain't hurt.)

General excitement and confusion. Followed by polite overtures and apologies all around.

985 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:02:26am

re: #963 Kenneth

No. An acre equals 43,560 square feet. A square 208 ft by 208 ft is one acre. If you planted trees at 6 ft intervals, you would get 1225 trees in an acre.

Not quite right. An acre is a rectangle, not a square of land. Hence, an acre is 660 feet long by 66 feet wide (one furlong by one chain).

986 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:02:43am

re: #983 turn

Where is that at ojoe?

It ain't hippy season, so calm down.

/

987 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:02:52am

re: #900 turn

{yma} and to be totally amazed at too. That friggin hound dawg sniffed out another tennis ball the other day. He was bouncing along the trail, hit the breaks, put his head up in the air, and zig-zagged off the trail about thirty feet in the deep weeds and bang, up he comes with this tennis ball that must have been there for years.

The nose knows.

988 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:03:01am

re: #972 Honorary Yooper

But not in a square. Little known to many, an acre is a rectangle, not a square.

How does that work? :)

We always just divide the square footage by 43,560 to get acreage.

989 jcm  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:03:02am

re: #915 Ojoe

That is a tree in every 6 foot 6 inch square, approximately.

Way back in the late 70's I worked for the US Forest Service in the Boise National Forest. My job was to thin the forest, cut down trees. It was an experiment to return the forest to a more natural state. We had to thin out trees and get a balance of species, and tree size, cut out underbrush etc. They would then allow natural fires to take a natural course, fires in a this type of forest burn lower and are beneficial. In the future trees would be selectively harvested to maintain the forest and generate income, the goal being a sustaining forest both environmentally and economically.

The project was shut down.

Enviros sued 'cause we were cutting down trees.

990 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:03:10am

re: #982 OldLineTexan

So when I see a sign on a bit of pasture that says "FOR SALE 2.187 ACRES", is it three rectangles? How do they measure corners that aren't 90 degrees? What about a triangle? My yard is a rectangle plus a truncated cone ... does part not count?

Can you tell I'm not buying that little-known "fact"?

all you need are the perimeter measurements, and a calculator

991 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:03:25am

re: #984 razorbacker

I'm out in the shop cleaning the sparkplug on the push mower. Big Boy is sitting on the workbench commenting, in that superior cat-way, on my filing technique and how if I'd just get out of the way he could gap that plug much better than I can. I don't notice that Dawg has crept up behind me and flopped down waiting for me to get through and pet him.

I take a step backwards and come down squarely on Dawg's tail. He yelps. I yelp. Big Boy yowls (in sympathy, I guess. He ain't hurt.)

General excitement and confusion. Followed by polite overtures and apologies all around.

Never a dull moment!

992 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:03:29am

re: #985 Honorary Yooper

You Americans and your mind-boggling assortment of ways to measure things.

/ q;

993 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:03:31am

re: #960 Kosh's Shadow

We just give them their regular food, but we get this "natural" food from the vet. (Blue Buffalo)

I'm afraid thats what i've been doing for the last couple of years as well ...!

Before that, Madame used to get a terribl uypset stomach, quite regularly.
Thats when i did the rice+chicken routine.
My husband swore she only got sick to have the extra attention of four meals a day and all the extra fuss!
He must've been right: she's fine now that she's the sole dog!

994 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:04:32am

re: #976 SasquatchOnSteroids

I think I see Johnny Weissmaller swinging thru there.

Were you using a magnifying glass? Cheetah!

995 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:04:35am

Rafsanjani spoke at Friday prayers today in Iran & supported the pro-democracy protests

Hojatoleslam Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, the influential head of the Assembly of Experts and key supporter of the opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi, called for prisoners to be released as he preached inside the campus that Iran was in crisis.

There is a MASSIVE demonstration taking place in Tehran today.
One eyewitness estimates crowd more than a million, filling streets from Tehran University to Vali Square.

996 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:04:38am

re: #992 laZardo

You Americans and your mind-boggling assortment of ways to measure things.

/ q;

Remind me to tell you the railroad gage story/legend sometime.

997 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:04:40am

re: #986 OldLineTexan

It ain't hippy season, so calm down.

/

heh.

998 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:04:44am

re: #982 OldLineTexan

So when I see a sign on a bit of pasture that says "FOR SALE 2.187 ACRES", is it three rectangles? How do they measure corners that aren't 90 degrees? What about a triangle? My yard is a rectangle plus a truncated cone ... does part not count?

Can you tell I'm not buying that little-known "fact"?

It's the total area of the land, but when land is divided up into sections, quarter sections, and the like, acres are surveyed as 660 ft by 66 ft strips. 160 of these make a quater section, and 640 make a section (one square mile).

/Survey geek here.

999 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:04:55am

re: #962 OldLineTexan

Damn, it's full of hippies!

/

Yep, it is. Its the sort of place I might like to visit but I'd have to hope for a day when the hippies weren't around. I don't like being around moonbats; They say crazy things that force me to argue with them and that raises my blood pressure.

1000 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:05:09am

re: #985 Honorary Yooper

Not quite right. An acre is a rectangle, not a square of land. Hence, an acre is 660 feet long by 66 feet wide (one furlong by one chain).

And most roads are a chain wide.

/took a surveying course once.

1001 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:05:10am

re: #985 Honorary Yooper

thank you, I wasn't aware an acre had a set form.

1002 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:05:21am

re: #880 albusteve
Hey my friend - try this on for size (go to #22, All Along the Watchtower):[Link: www.imeem.com...]

1003 Charpete67  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:05:24am
1004 Dianna  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:05:42am

re: #966 OldLineTexan

For dogs with a reputation as mincing fairies, my poodles LOVE eating (or at least mouthing) disgusting non-food items. The toy poodle is especially fond of digging little sloped holes ... I swear he's after grubs.

BTW, they are NOT starving!

They're all like that! The tears of bogus starvation while they gaze up at you are just that - bogus!

But to hear Miss Flashing Jaws of Death tell it, she's wasting away. Let's not even get into the whole Mr. Appetite on Four Paws (a.k.a. the corgi) business. re: #993 yma o hyd

That sounds about right. They do love attention.

1005 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:06:04am

re: #990 albusteve

all you need are the perimeter measurements, and a calculator


errr, VX is our calculator here right?

1006 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:06:21am

re: #983 turn

Mendocino County California; it is on an old ocean bed that has been raised by the geological forces creating the Coast Range. It has a layer of hardpan right under the surface.

BBL

1007 jcm  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:06:27am

re: #973 Kenneth

You're up in the pacific northwest, if I recall correctly? I got family just north of the border in Vancouver. Usually very nice weather in the summer.

Yep, Seattle. The official line is rains all the time...

The secret July to September are spectacular.

1008 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:06:43am

re: #998 Honorary Yooper

It's the total area of the land, but when land is divided up into sections, quarter sections, and the like, acres are surveyed as 660 ft by 66 ft strips. 160 of these make a quater section, and 640 make a section (one square mile).

/Survey geek here.

OK. So how does my property get surveyed? I have the survey; no rectangles. Did I get short-chained?

/

1009 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:07:05am

re: #954 redstateredneck

ha, that's too funny! I was joking with the turnwife the other day telling her I had the boob trained for search and rescue. Yeah, as long as you were a tennis player he could find you.

1010 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:07:13am

re: #998 Honorary Yooper

It's the total area of the land, but when land is divided up into sections, quarter sections, and the like, acres are surveyed as 660 ft by 66 ft strips. 160 of these make a quater section, and 640 make a section (one square mile).

/Survey geek here.

had a bid brass marker on one back corner of my property in MI...is that a section marker?

1011 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:07:36am

re: #1006 Ojoe

Mendocino County California; it is on an old ocean bed that has been raised by the geological forces creating the Coast Range. It has a layer of hardpan right under the surface.

BBL

Was there any climate change involved? Or are the fish and crabs still there?

/

1012 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:07:39am

re: #992 laZardo

Actually the "chain" was British in use. A chain was literally that, and it was broken down into links. Most chains nowadays are tape measures and made of steel. When surveying one of the important measures is the ambient temperature of the location. You had to factor in the coefficient expansion of steel when you were setting down your measurements at the "office".

1013 irongrampa  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:07:39am

Heh. Wonder Lab has a thing about deer droppings. I swear she thinks they're M&M's. All it ever does is give terrible breath.

1014 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:07:55am

re: #1005 apachegunner

errr, VX is our calculator here right?

Well, not quite, but I know how to use one to deadly force.

1015 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:08:01am

re: #995 Kenneth

Rafsanjani spoke at Friday prayers today in Iran & supported the pro-democracy protests

I hope these rallies continue till Ahmadinejad and the mullahs are thrown out on their collective ear.

1016 Dianna  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:08:09am

re: #1011 OldLineTexan

Was there any climate change involved? Or are the fish and crabs still there?

/

That would depend on how many drugs one has had, I suspect.

1017 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:08:09am

re: #1010 albusteve

had a bid brass marker on one back corner of my property in MI...is that a section marker?

That's a targeting marker for the orbiting satellites that scratch your ass with a laserbeam.

1018 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:08:14am

re: #1003 Charpete67

No actually, he didn't and it is a pity you thought that was a funny thing to say.

1019 J.S.  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:08:16am

An "acre" is a measure of area, and has no fixed width, length, shape, etc. Wiki article here.

1020 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:08:19am

re: #966 OldLineTexan

For dogs with a reputation as mincing fairies, my poodles LOVE eating (or at least mouthing) disgusting non-food items. The toy poodle is especially fond of digging little sloped holes ... I swear he's after grubs.

BTW, they are NOT starving!

Our dogs are poodles. Too many people judge poodles by their ridiculous show cut, but any dog that would put up with that is secure in its status as a tough dog!
And you do not want to go in the yard with one of our standard poodles. They aren't aggressive, but they are protective. (Come in the yard, and they'll protect; meet them somewhere else, and they will be friendly)

1021 subsailor68  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:08:31am

Mornin' all! Enviro researchers - especially AGW fanatics - remind me of an old story you've all probably already heard:

A researcher was tasked to evaluate what impact external factors have on how far a frog jumps.

He put a frog on a table, leaned down behind the frog and yelled, "Jump, frog, jump!" The frog jumped.

The researcher measured the length of the jump and wrote down, "Initial test, frog jumps four feet."

He then cut one leg off the frog and repeated the test. He recorded the results as "Cut off one leg, frog jumps three feet."

He cut off a second leg, ran the test and recorded, "Cut off second leg, frog jumps two feet."

Again, he cut off a third leg, conducted the test and recorded, "Cut off third leg, frog jumps one foot."

He cut off the fourth leg, leaned down and yelled "Jump, frog, jump." Nothing. He tried again. Again nothing. After the third attempt, the researcher wrote down:

"Conclusion: Cut off four legs, frog goes deaf."

1022 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:08:34am

*note to self. Place one used tennis ball into left hand cargo pocket on hunting pants.*

1023 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:08:44am

re: #1004 Dianna

They're all like that! The tears of bogus starvation while they gaze up at you are just that - bogus!

But to hear Miss Flashing Jaws of Death tell it, she's wasting away. Let's not even get into the whole Mr. Appetite on Four Paws (a.k.a. the corgi) business. re: #993 yma o hyd

That sounds about right. They do love attention.

Don't they just!
Madame is lying on the carpet right now, transfixing me with the Collie Stare, because she is trying to tell me its her dinner time.
No its not!

as for that look at meal times, saying 'I'm the last dog in the universe, I'm starving, how can you not feed me right now!' - i am sure they practice that in front of a mirror while we're all out of the house!

1024 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:08:59am

re: #890 NJDhockeyfan

145. That is a rediculous assesment

*snicker*

My Inner Bitch is doing just fine this mornng.

1025 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:08:59am

re: #1012 BlueCanuck

Actually the "chain" was British in use. A chain was literally that, and it was broken down into links. Most chains nowadays are tape measures and made of steel. When surveying one of the important measures is the ambient temperature of the location. You had to factor in the coefficient expansion of steel when you were setting down your measurements at the "office".

Say that again, like Ahnuld!

/

1026 jcm  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:09:01am

re: #996 OldLineTexan

Remind me to tell you the railroad gage story/legend sometime.

Don't be a horses ass...

/// ;-P

1027 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:09:15am

re: #1002 realwest

Hey my friend - try this on for size (go to #22, All Along the Watchtower):[Link: www.imeem.com...]

one of their best...there are a couple of killer live versions out there..thanks for that!

1028 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:09:29am

Jakarta Bombing Video: Explosions Hit Hotels In Indonesia (VIDEO)(SLIDESHOW)(UPDATES)

Via CNN, a camera in the JW Marriott caught one of the bombings on tape. It shows a man wheeling in a suitcase and wearing a suit, followed by the blast.

1029 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:10:29am

re: #1003 Charpete67

and then led a chant of "death to America"

No, he didn't. His chant was "Death to Russia" (which must raise Putin's hackles). Ahmadinejad supports started the "Death to America" chant, which other people probably joined in out of habit, since its become traditional in Iran.

/spits on that tradition

1030 J.S.  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:10:35am

re: #1018 Kenneth

But, it's true, Kenneth...True...the vast, vast majority despise the United States of America. That's the one thing which unifies Iranians -- hatred of the United States.

1031 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:10:44am

TEHRAN (FNA)- Spokesman for the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI) Mohsen Delaviz said the Bushehr nuclear power plant will be fully implemented a smoldering hole in the ground by autumn.

FTFY, Mohsen!

1032 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:10:45am

re: #1010 albusteve

had a bid brass marker on one back corner of my property in MI...is that a section marker?

A survey marker. Some properites will have a survey stake that is just a steel bar that will go down about 4 or more feet. A brass marker is actually registered at the survey office and will have a number that will be in a national registry. It's a base to start a survey from for the area. You will see them all over in sidewalks and other "permanent" areas. They most often are set in concrete or cement.

1033 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:11:00am
1034 jcm  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:11:00am

re: #1000 BlueCanuck

And most roads are a chain wide.

/took a surveying course once.

A fascinating look at history and surveying.

Drawing the Line : How Mason and Dixon Surveyed the Most Famous Border in America

1035 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:11:14am

re: #1026 jcm

Don't be a horses ass...

/// ;-P

I see you know the story!

1036 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:11:36am

re: #1020 Kosh's Shadow

Our dogs are poodles. Too many people judge poodles by their ridiculous show cut, but any dog that would put up with that is secure in its status as a tough dog!
And you do not want to go in the yard with one of our standard poodles. They aren't aggressive, but they are protective. (Come in the yard, and they'll protect; meet them somewhere else, and they will be friendly)

Don't the standards compete in the sporting class at dog shows?

1037 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:11:52am

re: #1013 irongrampa

Heh. Wonder Lab has a thing about deer droppings. I swear she thinks they're M&M's. All it ever does is give terrible breath.

Deer droppings - sheep droppings, even horse droppings: much beloved by any proper dog!

Where I draw the line is when Madame scratches and licks at sea-gull poo, in order to roll in it ...
There are limits ...!

1038 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:12:06am

re: #1031 Kenneth

TEHRAN (FNA)- Spokesman for the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI) Mohsen Delaviz said the Bushehr nuclear power plant will be fully implemented a smoldering hole in the ground by autumn.

FTFY, Mohsen!

Bush-ehr?

It's named after TWO American Presidents!

/

1039 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:12:07am

re: #1008 OldLineTexan

OK. So how does my property get surveyed? I have the survey; no rectangles. Did I get short-chained?

/

[Link: blog.expertgps.com...]

1040 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:12:09am

re: #1030 J.S.

That is flat out wrong. The majority of Iranians like America. Only the regime and the 20% who support it hate America.

Get a clue.

1041 apachegunner  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:12:19am

re: #1030 J.S.

But, it's true, Kenneth...True...the vast, vast majority despise the United States of America. That's the one thing which unifies Iranians -- hatred of the United States.

seems to me I've read otherwise in reference to the iranian on the street and the students. seems they like everything western.

1042 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:12:26am
1043 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:12:34am

re: #1022 razorbacker

*note to self. Place one used tennis ball into left hand cargo pocket on hunting pants.*

turn and I will both bring our dogs and see which finds you first!

1044 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:12:40am

re: #1037 yma o hyd

Deer droppings - sheep droppings, even horse droppings: much beloved by any proper dog!

Where I draw the line is when Madame scratches and licks at sea-gull poo, in order to roll in it ...
There are limits ...!

hah, teh skwirls wil not see me now!

/

1045 legalpad  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:12:48am

re: #1002 realwest

Hey my friend - try this on for size (go to #22, All Along the Watchtower):[Link: www.imeem.com...]

Hey Real - You seem do be doing well considering! Sent you an e-mail with some odds and ends about our mutual interest.

1046 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:12:50am

re: #988 Gus 802

How does that work? :)

We always just divide the square footage by 43,560 to get acreage.

One acre was the amount of land that an ox could plow in a day. Such land was usually plowed in strips during the Middle Ages. Hence, the land measurement was originally done as a strip of land.

When you see lots for sale in the areas surveyed with the Public Land Survey (PLS) system of meridians and baselines, they usually have rectangular acre lots. In the metes and bounds system (used in the original 13, Texas, Kentucky (ex Jackson Purchase), Tennessee, Vermont, and West Virginia, and parts of Ohio), lots tend to be less rectangular, and the rectangularity of the acre is lost.

1047 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:12:56am

re: #880 albusteve
Hey kindly disregard my #1002 and go here:[Link: www.imeem.com...]
Eric and Lenny Kravitz - same song!

1048 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:13:02am

re: #986 OldLineTexan

It ain't hippy season, so calm down.

/

dang, I got my tags too early. ha

1049 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:13:03am

re: #1032 BlueCanuck

A survey marker. Some properites will have a survey stake that is just a steel bar that will go down about 4 or more feet. A brass marker is actually registered at the survey office and will have a number that will be in a national registry. It's a base to start a survey from for the area. You will see them all over in sidewalks and other "permanent" areas. They most often are set in concrete or cement.

We have limestone-looking poles at various corners of the fields around us. Most have numbers of some sort carved into them.

1050 J.S.  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:13:21am

re: #1040 Kenneth

O brother. (What books have you read lately, re: Iran?)

1051 justabill  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:13:33am

re: #985 Honorary Yooper

Not quite right. An acre is a rectangle, not a square of land. Hence, an acre is 660 feet long by 66 feet wide (one furlong by one chain).

So whats that in cubits?

1052 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:13:58am

re: #1008 OldLineTexan

OK. So how does my property get surveyed? I have the survey; no rectangles. Did I get short-chained?

/

In Texas? You use the metes and bounds system as linked in #1046.

1053 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:14:03am
1054 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:14:33am

re: #1042 Dark_Falcon

In a business suit too.

1055 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:14:35am
1056 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:14:48am

I am once more hydrated (see how up-town I am? I don't get a drink of water. I hydrate.), so I'll go out and follow the push-mower around the various flowers and shrubs.

Have fun, and don't stomp your dog's tails.

1057 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:14:50am

re: #1032 BlueCanuck

A survey marker. Some properites will have a survey stake that is just a steel bar that will go down about 4 or more feet. A brass marker is actually registered at the survey office and will have a number that will be in a national registry. It's a base to start a survey from for the area. You will see them all over in sidewalks and other "permanent" areas. They most often are set in concrete or cement.

Some more here for other folks:

[Link: nationalatlas.gov...]

Makes surveying much easier. I've worked in surveying in New Jersey and Colorado. Colorado is much easier when using the newer system.

1058 laZardo  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:14:53am

Gonna head to bed. Cheers!

1059 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:14:54am

re: #1048 turn

dang, I got my tags too early. ha

I wonder if they give crop damage permits fo those things.

1060 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:14:56am

re: #1040 Kenneth

That is flat out wrong. The majority of Iranians like America. Only the regime and the 20% who support it hate America.

Get a clue.

The ones that stood around the student union ogling us girls back in college sure liked America!

1061 Dianna  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:15:05am

re: #1053 Killgore Trout

I think I'll give it a miss, if you don't mind.

And I'd better get back to my damned grant proposals.

1062 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:15:11am

re: #1010 albusteve

had a bid brass marker on one back corner of my property in MI...is that a section marker?

Maybe. Some brass momuments are for section corners (or section quarter corners), and some are for USGS elevation momuments.

1063 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:15:22am

re: #1031 Kenneth

TEHRAN (FNA)- Spokesman for the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI) Mohsen Delaviz said the Bushehr nuclear power plant will be fully implemented a smoldering hole in the ground by autumn.

FTFY, Mohsen!

Haven't there been reports recently that Israel has sent a submarine and now some warships through the Suez Canal, with full agreement by the Egyptians?
Can't recall where I saw that ...

1064 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:15:56am

re: #1046 Honorary Yooper

One acre was the amount of land that an ox could plow in a day. Such land was usually plowed in strips during the Middle Ages. Hence, the land measurement was originally done as a strip of land.

When you see lots for sale in the areas surveyed with the Public Land Survey (PLS) system of meridians and baselines, they usually have rectangular acre lots. In the metes and bounds system (used in the original 13, Texas, Kentucky (ex Jackson Purchase), Tennessee, Vermont, and West Virginia, and parts of Ohio), lots tend to be less rectangular, and the rectangularity of the acre is lost.

Ah. In Colorado we just divide by 43,560 for acreage.

1065 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:15:59am
1066 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:16:04am

re: #1051 justabill

So whats that in cubits?

44.33333 by 440 cubits. :)

/one cubit equals 18 inches I believe.
//Yeah, I am a well of useless knowledge.

1067 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:16:05am

re: #1050 J.S.

Plenty, including this gentleman's books and essays.

If you can point to a single reputable source to verify your opinion on this topic I would be quite surprised.

1068 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:16:32am

re: #920 turn
Well I hope y'all have a great time, but if temps were 107, I'd have a freezing cold beer - dumped over my head!
Alcohol is NOT good to drink when you face the possibility of heat exposure my friend!

1069 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:16:58am

re: #1044 OldLineTexan

hah, teh skwirls wil not see me now!

/

Got it in one!

1070 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:17:14am

re: #1058 laZardo

Gonna head to bed. Cheers!

Nighty-night!

1071 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:17:15am

re: #1063 yma o hyd

Yes. Gunboat diplomacy is alive and well.

1072 razorbacker  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:17:19am

re: #1043 redstateredneck

turn and I will both bring our dogs and see which finds you first!

Be sure and hang one of those little kegs around their neck. It's seldom cold enough to freeze to death, but I'm not taking any chances that I don't have to.

I'll have a snake in a little box, in case I need snake-bite remedy.

1073 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:17:41am

re: #1006 Ojoe

Mendocino County California; it is on an old ocean bed that has been raised by the geological forces creating the Coast Range. It has a layer of hardpan right under the surface.

BBL

Interesting. The pot plants around there are bigger than the trees.

1074 jcm  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:17:58am

re: #1033 taxfreekiller

USDA,

Wheat allotments, Cotton allotments ect.

Chain's used , and rolling measuring instruments that measure in chain's

66.66 '

The devil you say!

1075 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:19:08am

re: #961 Mad Al-Jaffee

Where are all the pygmies?


Hiding behind the trees of course!

1076 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:19:18am

re: #1032 BlueCanuck

A survey marker. Some properites will have a survey stake that is just a steel bar that will go down about 4 or more feet. A brass marker is actually registered at the survey office and will have a number that will be in a national registry. It's a base to start a survey from for the area. You will see them all over in sidewalks and other "permanent" areas. They most often are set in concrete or cement.

I found the stake at the opposite corner...back corners of a 1 acre rectangle...never found the front markers at the street it was indeed a cast, round, numbered marker maybe 4 or 5 inches in dia

1077 Dianna  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:19:25am

My favorite is the black mutt's reaction to bears. Carved ones, so far, but bears.

She alerts, puts herself between the bear and the nearest female human, and starts, silently but forcefully, pushing said human away from the bear.

"Mom? You're going that way. I'll be right behind you, but you're going that way."

1078 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:19:29am

re: #1054 Killgore Trout

In a business suit too.

That detail shows that the people who sent in the splody dope knew how to keep said dope from being recognized. The suit was worn to let him blend in till he was in position to blow himself to Hell. With suicide bombers there can be no redemption, they go straight to Hell.

1079 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:20:03am

re: #1060 redstateredneck

I had an Iranian roommate in college, and yes, he had an eye for the ladies. He now lives in the US and has a thriving business. He loves America, and hates the mullahs.

1080 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:20:15am

re: #1049 vxbush

We have limestone-looking poles at various corners of the fields around us. Most have numbers of some sort carved into them.

If they're along the roads, they're ROW (Right-Of-Way) momuments for the road. These will usually be 66 feet across the road from each other as roads were usually surveyed as one chain (66 ft). Alleys (for you urbanites) were usually surveyed as one rod (16.5 ft).

1081 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:20:17am
1082 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:20:44am

re: #1077 Dianna

Cute!

1083 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:21:12am

re: #1077 Dianna

My favorite is the black mutt's reaction to bears. Carved ones, so far, but bears.

She alerts, puts herself between the bear and the nearest female human, and starts, silently but forcefully, pushing said human away from the bear.

"Mom? You're going that way. I'll be right behind you, but you're going that way."

Okay, that's entirely too cute.

1084 Dianna  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:21:22am

re: #1082 Kenneth

She's a great dog.

1085 J.S.  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:21:47am

re: #1067 Kenneth

Wow! Michael Ledeen! His name just sounds sooo Iranian! Must have lived there all his life, eh?

1086 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:21:56am

re: #1076 albusteve

You wouldn't be surprised how often those go missing. Heard a few funny stories from a teacher who spent hours looking for them when re-surveying properties, which is supposed to be done every time a property is sold. Found one once when the current owner said he put a steel fence post on top of it. It fit so well he was told, and saved him the time of digging a proper hole.

1087 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:22:00am

re: #1034 jcm

A fascinating look at history and surveying.

Drawing the Line : How Mason and Dixon Surveyed the Most Famous Border in America

And Mark Knopfler did a song about them:
Sailing to Philadelphia

1088 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:22:06am

re: #1080 Honorary Yooper

If they're along the roads, they're ROW (Right-Of-Way) momuments for the road. These will usually be 66 feet across the road from each other as roads were usually surveyed as one chain (66 ft). Alleys (for you urbanites) were usually surveyed as one rod (16.5 ft).

So they mark the boundary between private land and county land used for roads? Interesting.

1089 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:22:18am

re: #1071 Kenneth

Yes. Gunboat diplomacy is alive and well.

I wish I could find this report now - they went on to say that the Israeli airforce has also been seen doing practice runs over Gibraltar.
The underlying thought was that Israel seems to be practicing for attacks on Iranian nuclear installations, with the tacit agreement of at least the Egyptians and the Saudis.

1090 Onslow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:22:39am
1091 calcajun  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:22:52am

re: #1071 Kenneth

Yes. Gunboat diplomacy is alive and well.

Right now, fortunately, we're still the only ones with any real gunboats.

1092 Dianna  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:22:59am

re: #1087 Kosh's Shadow

And Mark Knopfler did a song about them:
Sailing to Philadelphia

[Video]

With James Taylor!

What's really remarkable is the way Knopfler changes the tone of his guitar to match Taylor's timbre.

1093 J.S.  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:23:25am

re: #1089 yma o hyd

Germans claim the Iranians will have the bomb in 6 months...

1094 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:23:59am

re: #1090 Onslow

Don't all cry at once:

GAME O-VER? ALL-TIME RATINGS LOW FOR OPRAH

I bear her no ill will, but I think it's time she moved on.

1095 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:24:06am

re: #1063 yma o hyd

Haven't there been reports recently that Israel has sent a submarine and now some warships through the Suez Canal, with full agreement by the Egyptians?
Can't recall where I saw that ...

Well, the Egyptians said they had to allow the ships through as per some treaties.

1096 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:24:16am

re: #1028 Killgore Trout

Jakarta Bombing Video: Explosions Hit Hotels In Indonesia (VIDEO)(SLIDESHOW)(UPDATES)

One of the most evil aspects of this bombing is how normal the killer looks.

1097 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:25:05am

re: #1093 J.S.

Germans claim the Iranians will have the bomb in 6 months...

Then they denied it. The quote from the German spokesman was
"Ve know NOTHING!"

1098 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:25:06am

re: #1093 J.S.

Germans claim the Iranians will have the bomb in 6 months...

So what are the Germans going to do about that?
Sitting on their hands, as they did for the last six years?

1099 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:25:28am

re: #1000 BlueCanuck
And, uh, how long (in feet or inches,not the metric system PLEASE is "a chain wide."?

1100 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:25:29am

re: #1047 realwest

Hey kindly disregard my #1002 and go here:[Link: www.imeem.com...]
Eric and Lenny Kravitz - same song!

re: #1047 realwest

Hey kindly disregard my #1002 and go here:[Link: www.imeem.com...]
Eric and Lenny Kravitz - same song!

cool version...Clapton sure has a distinct style eh?

1101 irongrampa  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:25:40am

Need to go, I hear the dulcet tones of a Largemouth Bass calling. Be impolite not to respond.

Have an excellent day, good people.

1102 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:25:54am

re: #1098 yma o hyd

So what are the Germans going to do about that?
Sitting on their hands, as they did for the last six years?

It's grand European tradition

1103 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:26:42am

re: #1098 yma o hyd

So what are the Germans going to do about that?
Sitting on their hands, as they did for the last six years?

What can they do? They don't have ability to project power on their own, and if they tried, the left tin that nation would go batshit.

1104 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:26:49am

re: #1092 Dianna

With James Taylor!

What's really remarkable is the way Knopfler changes the tone of his guitar to match Taylor's timbre.

Mark Knopfler is brilliant. "Making Movies" is one of my all-time favorite albums.

1105 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:26:57am

More area fun here:

[Link: www.nwcg.gov...]

go to page 2.20

and the rest is here:

[Link: www.nwcg.gov...]

1106 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:26:59am

re: #1098 yma o hyd

So what are the Germans going to do about that?
Sitting on their hands, as they did for the last six years?

They have to sit on their hands or they'd find their hands shooting up to give the Nazi salute, like in Dr. Strangelove.

1107 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:27:42am

re: #1015 Dark_Falcon

I hope these rallies continue till Ahmadinejad and the mullahs are thrown out on their collective ear.


And land in Saudi Arabia!

1108 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:27:54am

re: #1090 Onslow

Don't all cry at once:

GAME O-VER? ALL-TIME RATINGS LOW FOR OPRAH

Most excellent.

1109 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:28:19am

re: #1085 J.S.

Seriously? Is that lame sarcasm the best you can do? Put up one knowledgeable source backing your assertion that the vast majority of Iranians hate America. Poll after poll have shown the Iranian people are the most pro-American population in the Middle East, after Israel.

1110 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:28:28am

re: #1102 Nevergiveup

It's grand European tradition

Yeah - and they're doing it in Afghanistan as well.
Now mind, I do understand why the Germans would be worried about being seen to be a proper fighting force again, but it is galling to have them sit up there, doing nothing much at all, while our lads are dying.

1111 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:28:32am

re: #1104 doppelganglander

Mark Knopfler is brilliant. "Making Movies" is one of my all-time favorite albums.

That is, and I also think "Sailing to Philadelphia" (the entire album) is great.
One of my favorite songs from Making Movies:

1112 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:28:40am

re: #1106 Kosh's Shadow

They have to sit on their hands or they'd find their hands shooting up to give the Nazi salute, like in Dr. Strangelove.

"Mein Fuhrer, I can vaaalllk!"

1113 Kragar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:29:17am

Some good news:

Card Check" Is As Good As Dead

A canvass of labor leaders and strategists this morning confirms the diagnosis reached by the New York Times: there is not enough support in the Senate to change federal law to allow 'card check' elections anytime soon. This is the first time since the start of the fight that labor leaders are conceding in private what has seemed to be apparent in public for a long while. The failure of card check, now known as "majority signup," speaks as much to the political priorities of the Obama administration as it does the power of moderate Democrats, most of whom opposed card check for fear of alienating employers in their mostly non-union districts. As of a few months ago, labor strategists could accurately claim as many as 58 votes in the Senate, just two shy of the magic 60 needed to avoid a filibuster. But even as President Obama and Vice President Biden dutifully praised card check in speeches, the White House did not put any political muscle into passing it, and they very clearly indicated to Congressional leaders that its passage was less important than health care, its economic stimulus efforts, its financial industry regulation proposals, and -- did we mention, health care, where the White House still believes that engagement with the private sector will push health care over the top in the end.

1114 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:29:45am

re: #1099 realwest

And, uh, how long (in feet or inches,not the metric system PLEASE is "a chain wide."?

Been mentioned already, but once again 66'6" in length. :)

/no, I don't know what the metric length is. Some stuff up here is still in imperial measurements.

1115 Kragar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:29:57am

re: #1106 Kosh's Shadow

They have to sit on their hands or they'd find their hands shooting up to give the Nazi salute, like in Dr. Strangelove.

MEIN FURHER! I CAN WALK!

1116 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:30:21am

re: #1103 Dark_Falcon

What can they do? They don't have ability to project power on their own, and if they tried, the left tin that nation would go batshit.

IIRC, they and the Fwench were 'negotiating' with dinnerjacket about this nuclear stuff for years, so that big bad Bush wouldn't go and attack poor little Iran ...
Worked out really well, that!

1117 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:30:23am

re: #1111 Kosh's Shadow

That is, and I also think "Sailing to Philadelphia" (the entire album) is great.
One of my favorite songs from Making Movies:

My favorite is "Tunnel of Love." It always brings back some very specific memories for me.

1118 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:30:36am

re: #1099 realwest

And, uh, how long (in feet or inches,not the metric system PLEASE is "a chain wide."?

66 feet (0.0125 mi).

1119 Wendya  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:30:46am

re: #858 avanti

Not cutting down the forest, cutting 381 acres out of 17,000 million in the forest. Even a tree hugger should not lose sleep over that nick.

I suspect most people griping about this have no concept of the actual size involved. It's about a half a square mile out of an area slightly larger than West Virginia.

1120 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:31:08am

re: #1096 MandyManners

One of the most evil aspects of this bombing is how normal the killer looks.

The sheer depravity of taking the effort to blend in with and kill innocent people always amazes me.

1121 jcm  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:31:11am

re: #1111 Kosh's Shadow

That is, and I also think "Sailing to Philadelphia" (the entire album) is great.
One of my favorite songs from Making Movies:

[Video]

I have Sailing to Philadelphia, now I'll have to get Making Movies.

1122 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:31:32am

re: #858 avanti

Not cutting down the forest, cutting 381 acres out of 17,000 million in the forest. Even a tree hugger should not lose sleep over that nick.

Actually, if you go to the HuffPo thread on this, you will find 76 pages of comments from your fellow lefties who mostly disagree with you.

1123 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:31:46am

re: #1117 doppelganglander

My favorite is "Tunnel of Love." It always brings back some very specific memories for me.

Another great song from that album.
Time to pull out the iPod...

1124 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:32:01am

Well - the CARTOON says it all!


BBIAB, gotta feed that Madame!

1125 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:32:36am

re: #1090 Onslow

Don't all cry at once:

GAME O-VER? ALL-TIME RATINGS LOW FOR OPRAH

Everything has a finite lifetime. I can't say I'm a fan, but I can't say I have a problem with her. If the time has come, it's come.

1126 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:33:14am

re: #1122 3 wood

Actually, if you go to the HuffPo thread on this, you will find 76 pages of comments from your fellow lefties who mostly disagree with you.

clueless...that was the point to begin with...the seething rage!

1127 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:33:15am

re: #1123 Kosh's Shadow

Another great song from that album.
Time to pull out the iPod...

I just did!

1128 Ben Hur  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:33:18am

LEgalize Hemp and Weed!

1 acre of hemp is the equivalent of 4.1 acres of trees!

We want hemp paper!

1129 quickjustice  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:33:26am

re: #1113 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I wish it were good. The trouble is that the legislation is layered, with mandatory arbitration provisions that kill employers almost as effectively as card check.

Labor's strategy always has been to ask for card check, but to "sacrifice" it in exchange for the other provisions in the bill. Those other "under the radar" provisions are almost as damaging to management as card check.

1130 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:35:10am

re: #1128 Ben Hur

LEgalize Hemp and Weed!

1 acre of hemp is the equivalent of 4.1 acres of trees!

We want hemp paper!

a real money maker...of course Hemp is a Class II dangerous drug...good grief

1131 J.S.  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:35:13am

re: #1109 Kenneth

You'd believe a poll taken in Iran? It's a police state. (Hooman Majd characterizes Ledeen, btw, as -- this is a verbatim quote here -- "a notorious neocon"...also as one apt to spread unfounded rumors.) (btw, do you know what a "laat" is?)

1132 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:35:20am

re: #1128 Ben Hur

LEgalize Hemp and Weed!

1 acre of hemp is the equivalent of 4.1 acres of trees!

We want hemp paper!

I think we should. Hopefully they will forget to vote!

1133 quickjustice  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:35:30am

re: #1060 redstateredneck

[Swelling with patriotic pride] American cheesecake is the best!

1134 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:35:46am

re: #1122 3 wood

Actually, if you go to the HuffPo thread on this, you will find 76 pages of comments from your fellow lefties who mostly disagree with you.

I posted something to Avanti about his original comment, and he hasn't answered anyone.

We win!

1135 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:35:55am

2010 — It’s a Dubai Space Odyssey

DUBAI - In 2010, shuttles will pack air-space over Shaikh Zayed Road, hi-tech skyscrapers will line the streets and underwater stations will be the birthplace of robots — it’s a city where anything can happen.

Such a glimpse into the future for Dubai is the latest hit on the Internet.

“People have a fascination of the future, of things to come, and in a rapidly developing city like Dubai, the future seen in this video is maybe not that far fetched,” said Hermann Venter, managing director of Rolling Thunder, creators of the Dubai 2010 video that has already generated thousands of hits within days of its release.

A picture of Dubai in the 2010 videoFeaturing majestic orchestral strings, a low-pitched voiceover and vistas typical of a Hollywood movie trailer, the video introduces viewers to a Dubai that creators say, with the city’s architectural design, was not much of a stretch. “As the ever-evolving skyline is even today rather futuristic, and adding some elements to it to make it look like something out of a Hollywood feature film is not very drastic. Actually, we’re kind of surprised nobody has done this before. Dubai would be a good location for a sci-fi movie,” said Venter.

1136 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:36:16am

Oreos and Milk is a food group.

That is all.

1137 Charpete67  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:36:37am

re: #1018 Kenneth

No actually, he didn't and it is a pity you thought that was a funny thing to say.

?...so his supporters like the US? I bet if you took a poll of his supporters, you would find the majority of them still hate the US...chanting "death to Russia" today, but "death to America" last week.

The protests in Iran have nothing to do with the US or any sort of affinity towards the US. Most "Iranian experts" I have seen on news talk shows say that Moussavi has more blood on his hands than Ahmadinejad and is more intent on developing their nuclear program.

My point is, as terrible as one side or the other is, either way, they hate us.

1138 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:36:55am

re: #1115 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

MEIN FURHER! I CAN WALK!

GMTA!

1139 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:37:02am

re: #1088 vxbush

So they mark the boundary between private land and county land used for roads? Interesting.

Yes, or state land, as the case may be. As you are in Illinois, some of the old state ROW markers may even have the SBI route numbers on them. SBI being the State Bond Issue number for the route. Illinois routes were numbered according to the bonds issued (in order) from 1 to 46 (1918), and later from 47 to 185 (1924). Many of these routes are surprisingly on their original alignments.

1140 Wendya  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:37:18am

re: #1122 3 wood

Actually, if you go to the HuffPo thread on this, you will find 76 pages of comments from your fellow lefties who mostly disagree with you.

Logic has never been their forte.

1141 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:37:23am

re: #1128 Ben Hur

LEgalize Hemp and Weed!

1 acre of hemp is the equivalent of 4.1 acres of trees!

We want hemp paper!

Plus it might help balance our budget

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

1142 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:37:52am

re: #1135 NJDhockeyfan

2010 — It’s a Dubai Space Odyssey

Reminds me of a postcard I've seen from around 1909 that shows a "future" city scene with lots of aircraft - cloth-covered biplanes, Zeppelins, balloons, etc.

1143 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:39:19am

re: #1133 quickjustice

[Swelling with patriotic pride] American cheesecake is the best!

You sure it's patriotic pride that's makin' you swell?
;-)
/jk!

1144 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:40:23am

re: #1136 SasquatchOnSteroids

Oreos and Milk is a food group.

That is all.

And to take it one step even further... Fried Oreos.

1145 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:40:51am

re: #1120 Killgore Trout

The sheer depravity of taking the effort to blend in with and kill innocent people always amazes me.

Would that there some way for the rest of us to spot a homocidal jihadi a mile away.

1146 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:40:58am

re: #1144 MrSilverDragon

And to take it one step even further... Fried Oreos.

That's not fair. I can't eat Oreos anymore with the gluten-free diet. You're officially torturing me.

I need to call the UN...

1147 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:41:03am

re: #1131 J.S.

Laat,

like many other Persian words, can be translated in different ways, and some dictionaries use the English "hooligan" as the definition, although it is in fact wildly inaccurate. The laat holds a special place in Iranian culture: a place that at times can be compared to the popular position of a mafioso in American culture, albeit without the extreme violence associated with him, and at other times a place of respect and admiration for the working-class code he lives by.
1148 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:41:15am

re: #1144 MrSilverDragon

And to take it one step even further... Fried Oreos.

Hey, these oreos don't have enough calories...let's fry 'em!

1149 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:42:11am

re: #1114 BlueCanuck

Been mentioned already, but once again 66'6" in length. :)

/no, I don't know what the metric length is. Some stuff up here is still in imperial measurements.

Only 66 feet, there's no extra 6 inches. It's a Gunter's Chain, which splits the difference between decimal systems and the old English system of measurment. There are 100 links to a chain, and four rods to a link. Another Wiki on the chain.

1150 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:42:20am

re: #1146 vxbush

That's not fair. I can't eat Oreos anymore with the gluten-free diet. You're officially torturing me.

I need to call the UN...

They'll send MrSilverDragon a strongly worded letter.

1151 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:42:30am

re: #1144 MrSilverDragon

And to take it one step even further... Fried Oreos.

NoNoNoNoNoNoNo.

1152 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:43:33am

re: #1135 NJDhockeyfan

2010 — It’s a Dubai Space Odyssey

With all those wonder built by slave labor.

/spit on Dubai

Also, where do you think HAL 9000 stands on this little video?

1153 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:43:42am

re: #1148 redstateredneck

Hey, these oreos don't have enough calories...let's fry 'em!

There's one thing I can think of that's worse... Fried Twinkees. I've been told they're absolutely delicious. I'll just have to take their word, because there's no way in this world I'm going to eat one.

Not even at gunpoint.

1154 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:43:57am

re: #1150 redstateredneck

They'll send MrSilverDragon a strongly worded letter.

I'll keep at it until there are sanctions again him.

1155 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:44:23am

French workers get extra cash after gas canister 'blackmail'

AGEN, FRANCE - A US construction equipment maker has agreed to pay extra money to laid-off workers at a French branch who had threatened to blow up gas canisters at the plant, officials said Friday.

Staff at JLG Industries, a subsidiary of US firm Oshkosh that makes lifting equipment and work platforms, were the third group of French workers to threaten force to back demands for better redundancy pay-offs.

Striking workers had positioned a ring of gas canisters - empty according to local gendarmes - round five brand new lifts, removing them when managers agreed to talks, a tactic denounced as "blackmail" by the government.

"We were proposing compensation of 30,000 euros (42,000 dollars) above the legal minimum, for the 53 people who are going to lose their jobs," said Christian Amadio, head of the works council at JLG in southwestern Tonneins...

1156 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:44:29am

re: #1152 Dark_Falcon

With all those wonder built by slave labor.

/spit on Dubai

Also, where do you think HAL 9000 stands on this little video?

I'm sorry, Mo, I can't do that.

1157 Ben Hur  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:44:36am

Cure for radiation sickness found?

Exclusive: Dramatic discovery by Jewish-American scientists could change world; anti-radiation medication proves effective, safe in tests. Further experiments to be fast tracked, FDA approval possible within 1-2 years

Yet another Zionist plot to save the world.

1158 Dianna  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:45:02am

3 proposals reduced to single, pithy paragraphs.

I need coffee, and my boss is nowhere to be seen.

Back shortly.

1159 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:45:20am

re: #1137 Charpete67

Clearly you have missed the discussion on this topic for the past few weeks. There are more than two sides active in the Iranian crisis. Rafsanjani and the candidate he supported are not pro-American by any stretch. But they are opposed to Ahmadinejad and Khamenei.

The majority of the people out on the streets protesting are against the whole regime and want to bring in real democracy. They are the third side in this crisis.

1160 3 wood  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:45:34am

re: #1134 Walter L. Newton

I posted something to Avanti about his original comment, and he hasn't answered anyone.

He must still be looking over his talking point emails for an appropriate response.

1161 Wendya  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:45:50am

re: #1155 Gus 802

French workers get extra cash after gas canister 'blackmail'

I'd let them blow the plant.

1162 subsailor68  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:45:52am

re: #1153 MrSilverDragon

There's one thing I can think of that's worse... Fried Twinkees. I've been told they're absolutely delicious. I'll just have to take their word, because there's no way in this world I'm going to eat one.

Not even at gunpoint.

Hmm...how about these though?

Deep Fried Snickers

;-)

1163 jcm  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:46:30am

re: #1144 MrSilverDragon

And to take it one step even further... Fried Oreos.

Battered deep fried Oreos...

Yummm!

1164 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:46:34am

re: #1161 Wendya

I'd let them blow the plant.

Crazy stuff that's for sure.

1165 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:46:35am

re: #1150 redstateredneck

They'll send MrSilverDragon a strongly worded letter.

Ooooh! Does this mean I can declare sovereignty! Sweet!

I hereby declare air in every pot, and no tax on sneezing!

1166 Kragar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:46:44am

re: #1158 Dianna

3 proposals reduced to single, pithy paragraphs.

Dont you love that? I get that all the time.

1167 Ben Hur  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:46:53am

re: #1130 albusteve

a real money maker...of course Hemp is a Class II dangerous drug...good grief

Hemp is not a Class II dangerous drug.

1168 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:47:12am

re: #1159 Kenneth

Clearly you have missed the discussion on this topic for the past few weeks. There are more than two sides active in the Iranian crisis. Rafsanjani and the candidate he supported are not pro-American by any stretch. But they are opposed to Ahmadinejad and Khamenei.

The majority of the people out on the streets protesting are against the whole regime and want to bring in real democracy. They are the third side in this crisis.

"Understanding is a three-edged sword"
/Ambassador Kosh

1169 J.S.  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:47:53am

re: #1147 Kenneth

Sounds like that's been lifted from Hooman Majd. They were the "street toughs" who (in the past) controlled the prostitutes and the drug deals on a local/neighborhood level (something similar to a Mafioso, or a "gangsta" -- then, after the Revolution, they became the regime's "enforcers." They warrant "respect" in Iranian culture...and that's why Ahmadinejad wears those shoddy jackets and always looks so scruffy -- he's polishing up his image as a "laat.")

1170 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:47:54am

re: #1104 doppelganglander
Spot On - Knopfler IS brilliant and that's one of my favorite albums too!
Got one around here of a live concert by Knopfler with a guest appearance by Eric Clapton that's just nothing short of phenominal - and they SO MUCH enjoy playing together.

1171 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:48:17am

re: #1162 subsailor68

Hmm...how about these though?

Deep Fried Snickers

;-)


But are they as good as chocolate salty balls?

1172 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:48:20am

re: #1168 Kosh's Shadow

"Understanding is a three-edged sword"
/Ambassador Kosh

I thought it was truth instead of understanding?

/if it is I have been misquoting for a few years now...

1173 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:49:06am

re: #1161 Wendya

I'd let them blow the plant.

I'd have had the terrorist laying the canisters killing by sniper fire. I'm not kidding: If you start laying out explosives and threatening to blow up someone else's property like that, then you are a terrorist and should be dealt with as such. At most, you get one chance to surrender; refuse and you get wasted.

1174 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:49:31am

re: #1171 redstateredneck

But are they as good as chocolate salty balls?

Wha-a-a-a-a-a?

1175 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:49:34am

re: #1153 MrSilverDragon

There's one thing I can think of that's worse... Fried Twinkees. I've been told they're absolutely delicious. I'll just have to take their word, because there's no way in this world I'm going to eat one.

Not even at gunpoint.

Me neither, turnspawn2 ate one of those at the state fair and ended up yacking.

1176 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:49:57am

re: #1172 BlueCanuck

I thought it was truth instead of understanding?

/if it is I have been misquoting for a few years now...

I thought so, too, and wanted to check; a quick look at the Google results said "understanding". I don't have a hyperspace transceiver to check with the records on Vorlon, though.

1177 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:50:25am

re: #1173 Dark_Falcon

I'd have had the terrorist laying the canisters killing by sniper fire. I'm not kidding: If you start laying out explosives and threatening to blow up someone else's property like that, then you are a terrorist and should be dealt with as such. At most, you get one chance to surrender; refuse and you get wasted.

This is what the freaks set up.

[Link: www.google.com...]

1178 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:50:29am

re: #1171 redstateredneck

But are they as good as chocolate salty balls?

*blush*

I'm not saying a word.

1179 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:50:42am

re: #1171 redstateredneck

But are they as good as chocolate salty balls?

From what I've been told, there's nothing better than Chef's Chocolate Salty Balls.

Again, I'll take their word.

1180 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:50:51am

Pope breaks wrist, has surgery, leaves smiling..

I heard that in reality, this was do to the Pope not wanting to unclench his fist when it came to some points and policy that he discussed with Obama.

This was Obama's fault :)

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

///

1181 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:51:06am

re: #1174 vxbush

Wha-a-a-a-a-a?

Chocolate Salty Balls
You might want to turn your volume down if you're at work.
:-)

1182 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:51:37am

re: #1171 redstateredneck

But are they as good as chocolate salty balls?

Pete Schweddy. That's all I'm sayin'

1183 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:51:39am

re: #1111 Kosh's Shadow
yes- Skateaway! Just fabulous!

1184 subsailor68  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:52:10am

re: #1174 vxbush

Wha-a-a-a-a-a?

A very appropriate South Park reference!

;-)

1185 Buck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:52:13am

re: #918 Kenneth

Make exotic Gaza your next holiday destination!
Gaza... come for the jihad, stay for the executions!

I think the "Jew Free" sales pitch might work in some parts of the EU.

1186 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:52:30am

re: #1148 redstateredneck

Hey, these oreos don't have enough calories...let's fry 'em!

That's not enough calories.

Smoked Bacon wrapped Oreos

1187 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:52:39am

re: #1169 J.S.

It wasn't "lifted" from Hooman Majd, I gave a link straight back to an excerpt from his book.

So you're saying... that because Ahmadinejad affects the style of a laat, then the vast majority of Iranians have America and this hatred united them? Sorry, I don't follow that line of reasoning.

1188 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:52:42am

re: #1184 subsailor68

A very appropriate South Park reference!

;-)

Ah. See, I don't do South Park. Not my type of humor. I am a relic, apparently.

1189 Charpete67  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:53:07am

re: #1159 Kenneth

Clearly you have missed the discussion on this topic for the past few weeks. There are more than two sides active in the Iranian crisis. Rafsanjani and the candidate he supported are not pro-American by any stretch. But they are opposed to Ahmadinejad and Khamenei.

The majority of the people out on the streets protesting are against the whole regime and want to bring in real democracy. They are the third side in this crisis.

ya know what...I didn't see the debate here...and more importantly...I don't want to debate this...point taken.

1190 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:53:22am

re: #1181 redstateredneck

Chocolate Salty Balls
You might want to turn your volume down if you're at work.
:-)

Oh! That's what you meant!

1191 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:53:26am

Open advocation of Sharia in my area:

Islamic Supremacist Group Holds First U.S. Conference

Their conference starts on the 19th. As it happens, I have the day off. I had planned to go to Chinatown and take in its street festival that day, but those plans now likely need to change.

1192 turn  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:53:44am

re: #1186 NJDhockeyfan

re: #1148 redstateredneck


That's not enough calories.

ha one of the comments "And……how many adult beverages did you have before you came up with that one?"

Smoked Bacon wrapped Oreos

1193 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:53:50am

re: #1190 scottishbuzzsaw

Oh! That's what you meant!

But you didn't. Hm...

/gives scotty a sidelong glance

1194 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:53:56am

Did you know Oreos are Kosher?

1195 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:54:02am

re: #1187 Kenneth
typo:
have = hate

1196 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:54:31am

re: #25 zombie

Did I miss anything? I stepped away from the computer for the last 6 hours, but now I'm afraid to look at the IntraWebs, lest I discover I'm Public Enemy #1, or, worse, some lunatic has claimed authorship of my stuff.

Can I just drop the whole "zombie" thing and start over? How about..."mummy" this time? Vampire?

Undead person walking

1197 saberry0530  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:54:43am

re: #1157 Ben Hur

Cure for radiation sickness found?

Yet another Zionist plot to save the world.

Brilliant! We can sell it to the Iranian government right after we blow up their nuclear plants!!

1198 subsailor68  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:54:55am

re: #1188 vxbush

Ah. See, I don't do South Park. Not my type of humor. I am a relic, apparently.

Heh! That's okay - it's an acquired taste. Kinda like chocolate salty balls!

1199 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:54:57am

re: #1186 NJDhockeyfan

That's not enough calories.

Smoked Bacon wrapped Oreos

Haven't I been saying this for a while? EVERYTHING goes better with bacon! =D

1200 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:55:07am

re: #1186 NJDhockeyfan

That's not enough calories.

Smoked Bacon wrapped Oreos

Never has anything so wrong shown up on the web.

1201 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:55:20am

Riots in Tehran today -

Tehran Bureau has videos as they come in.

IRAN - Videos as they come in - [Link: ow.ly...] #iranelection #gr88

1202 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:55:44am

re: #1191 Dark_Falcon

Open advocation of Sharia in my area:

Islamic Supremacist Group Holds First U.S. Conference

Their conference starts on the 19th. As it happens, I have the day off. I had planned to go to Chinatown and take in its street festival that day, but those plans now likely need to change.

Oh BOY.

Nice quotes from Walid Phares. I haven't heard from him in a while.

1203 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:56:29am

Anti-boycott ad campaign using Google adwords
Basically, they buy ads for when people search for "boycott Israel" and give people information on how the boycotts do not help "peace".
Good Idea, I think. And it has driven up traffic to their web site.

1204 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:56:41am

How about Romeo and Juliet by Dire Straits:[Link: www.imeem.com...]

1205 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:56:47am

re: #1182 SasquatchOnSteroids

Pete Schweddy. That's all I'm sayin'

Remember Colonel Lingus?

1206 realwest  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:57:33am

Well y'all I gotta go - hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

1207 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:57:46am

re: #1205 MandyManners

It's a skit from SNL.

1208 Kragar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:57:47am

re: #1205 MandyManners

Remember Colonel Lingus?

Any relation to Phil Miaz?

1209 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:58:15am

re: #1208 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Any relation to Phil Miaz?

Or the cousins Ben Dover and Phil MacCrevase?

1210 Charpete67  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:58:33am

re: #1202 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh BOY.

Nice quotes from Walid Phares. I haven't heard from him in a while.

I wonder if they are going to have leadership training and a dance contest like the IRS SS conference...don't these haters realize how bad this looks in the middle of a recession?

1211 Gus  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:58:38am

re: #1209 MrSilverDragon

Or the cousins Ben Dover and Phil MacCrevase?

What about Dick Hertz?

1212 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:58:56am

re: #1205 MandyManners

Remember Colonel Lingus?

I think it was Colonel Angus.

1213 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:59:09am

re: #1184 subsailor68


I heard Isaac Hayes doing an interview and he said when they gave him that script he cracked up. He said singing that without laughing was the hardest thing he'd ever done!

1214 Kragar  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:59:10am

re: #1209 MrSilverDragon

Or the cousins Ben Dover and Phil MacCrevase?

Didn't they go to school with Harry Balzac?

1215 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:59:20am

re: #1200 vxbush

Really? what about this?

The Luther Rory

A one third pound of sirloin topped with two slices of white American cheese, four strips of bacon, peanut butter, between two Krispy Kreme donuts.

1216 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:59:21am

re: #1208 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Any relation to Phil Miaz?

Or Heywood Jablowme?

1217 subsailor68  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:59:36am

re: #1205 MandyManners

Remember Colonel Lingus?

Hi Mandy!! Can't resist:

Colonel Angus

Warning!! For those at work, it's an SNL skit, but may be pretty close to the line!

1218 J.S.  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:59:46am

re: #1187 Kenneth

Nooo...that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that Iranian culture is very, very different from American culture. And, a good deal of their "culture" is based on concepts of machismo. (as is also true in other parts of the Middle East, and the Islamic world). (I also wonder, whenever someone starts saying: "Iranians love the United States! They're pro-American!" Why? why is this being said? and, where is the evidence to support the claim? Speaking in generalities, I believe it's just as likely that many more Iranians detest the United States as "love it.") Anyway, read Majd's book...it's a depressing read.

1219 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 9:59:57am

re: #1204 realwest

How about Romeo and Juliet by Dire Straits:[Link: www.imeem.com...]

Another good one. We've had three great songs from Making Movies so far - Tunnel of Love (mentioned, no link), Romeo and Juliet, and Skateaway.

And meanwhile, the country really seems to be in Dire Straits.

1220 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:00:15am

re: #1157 Ben Hur

Cure for radiation sickness found?


Yet another Zionist plot to save the world.

the aphrodisiac gum and killer-do hair rays were what they were really after.


/

1221 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:00:15am

re: #1215 rightside

Really? what about this?

The Luther Rory

A one third pound of sirloin topped with two slices of white American cheese, four strips of bacon, peanut butter, between two Krispy Kreme donuts.

Now you're talking.

1222 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:00:22am

I don't know if this link will work since I can't access YouTube at work. But try it. Ali G interviews Buzz Aldrin. One of my favorite Ali G interviews:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xLN5-1QGRM

1223 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:00:36am

re: #1205 MandyManners

Remember Colonel Lingus?

Christopher Walken.

Cork soakers with Janet

1224 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:00:53am

re: #1209 MrSilverDragon

Or the cousins Ben Dover and Phil MacCrevase?

The gay Irish couple, Gerald Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzgerald?

1225 Learned Mother of Zion  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:01:04am

re: #1203 Kosh's Shadow

Anti-boycott ad campaign using Google adwords
Basically, they buy ads for when people search for "boycott Israel" and give people information on how the boycotts do not help "peace".
Good Idea, I think. And it has driven up traffic to their web site.

My blog post about the Israelis solving "Bee Colony Collapse" problem has gone viral, and has been posted on investment blogs.

Just doing what I can to help the Israeli anti-boycott.

1226 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:01:29am

re: #1191 Dark_Falcon

Open advocation of Sharia in my area:

Islamic Supremacist Group Holds First U.S. Conference

Their conference starts on the 19th. As it happens, I have the day off. I had planned to go to Chinatown and take in its street festival that day, but those plans now likely need to change.

Hilton did not have to accept their reservations. I will never spend one more fucking dime on Hilton.

1227 vxbush  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:01:34am

re: #1215 rightside

Really? what about this?

The Luther Rory

A one third pound of sirloin topped with two slices of white American cheese, four strips of bacon, peanut butter, between two Krispy Kreme donuts.

Egads. Someone needs Prozac. Stat. Whoever came up with that monstrosity has serious mental health issues.

1228 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:01:47am

re: #1219 Kosh's Shadow


And meanwhile, the country really seems to be in Dire Straits.

And everyone wants Money for Nothing.

1229 Ben Hur  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:01:48am

re: #1214 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Didn't they go to school with Harry Balzac?

Yes.

And his old roomate now works for Fox News.

Eric Shawn.

HAHAHAHHA!

1230 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:01:51am

re: #1211 Gus 802

What about Dick Hertz?

I knew someone named Richard, who came from Holden, Mass, and he'd sometimes say he was Dick Hertz from Holden.

1231 CIA Reject  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:02:07am

re: #1227 vxbush

Egads. Someone needs Prozac. Stat. Whoever came up with that monstrosity has serious mental health issues.

...and a cast iron stomach!

1232 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:02:47am

re: #1212 Mad Al-Jaffee

I think it was Colonel Angus.

You're right.

I have that link somewhere.

1233 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:02:59am

re: #1157 Ben Hur

Cure for radiation sickness found?

Yet another Zionist plot to save the world.

What's Jenny McCarthy's take?

/

1234 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:03:05am

re: #1226 MandyManners

Hilton did not have to accept their reservations. I will never spend one more fucking dime on Hilton.

Quite concur. What should I do about it?

1235 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:03:17am

re: #1128 Ben Hur

LEgalize Hemp and Weed!

1 acre of hemp is the equivalent of 4.1 acres of trees!

We want hemp paper!

For once I support this style of legislation, so that when I tell somebody to roll his bullshit report up and smoke it, at least then the lad can comply.

1236 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:03:47am

Henry R. Hole ('47)

The late HENRY R. "DICK" HOLE '47, an all-time great in basketball for Rhode Island State College, ranked thirty-third in Rams scoring with 1,152 points at the time of his induction. He was an All-American who later played professionally for several seasons.

1237 Ben Hur  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:04:59am

Eric Shawn.

Erection.

Work with me, people.

1238 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:05:04am

re: #1233 Ward Cleaver

What's Jenny McCarthy's take?

/

She probably would actually support it. It could be marketed as healing the damage cause by industry other man-made factors, thus winnignsupport from people who worry about such things.

1239 rightside  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:05:38am
1240 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:06:46am

re: #1217 subsailor68

Hi Mandy!! Can't resist:

Colonel Angus

Warning!! For those at work, it's an SNL skit, but may be pretty close to the line!

ROFLMAO!

1241 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:07:24am

re: #1234 Dark_Falcon

Quite concur. What should I do about it?

Boycott.

1242 Wendya  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:07:24am

re: #1194 NJDhockeyfan

Did you know Oreos are Kosher?

They went from using lard to using transfats and now they've eliminated the transfats but in every step along the way, they jacked up the sugar and then substituted corn syrup. This is a case of going from bad to worse.

1243 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:07:39am

re: #1155 Gus 802

French workers get extra cash after gas canister 'blackmail'

Suck it, JLG. You made your transnational bed, you sleep in it.
OTOH, JLG makes a damned good product--I drove those bastards till the tires were bald when I was, ah, younger, painting things on and around an aircraft carrier. JLG should have told the revolting French to go ahead and blow the canisters--the JLG lift would have been fine.

1244 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:07:40am

re: #1167 Ben Hur

Hemp is not a Class II dangerous drug.

you are right...Schedule 1 Controlled Substance...the feds make no distinction between species of marijuana

[Link: www.umsl.edu...]

1245 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:08:02am

re: #1237 Ben Hur

Eric Shawn.

Erection.

Work with me, people.

Too hard.

1246 Rancher  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:09:30am

We are all socialists now.
Harkin wants ethanol measures in climate bill

Washington, D.C. - Sen. Tom Harkin said he wants Congress to use a climate bill to force auto companies to make new cars and trucks capable of running on 85 percent ethanol as well as conventional gasoline.

"We own the automobile companies. Why not? I think that will be an easy one," Harkin said Thursday, referring to the government interests in Chrysler and General Motors.

1247 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:10:55am

re: #1245 MandyManners

Too hard.

If anyone thinks that's a good pun, you certainly have conned 'em.

1248 Ben Hur  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:11:37am

re: #1244 albusteve

you are right...Schedule 1 Controlled Substance...the feds make no distinction between species of marijuana

[Link: www.umsl.edu...]

HEMP is NOT a controlled substance.

It's illegal because it can be used to mask or camaflage Marijuana.

1249 justabill  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:12:07am

re: #1081 taxfreekiller

of some note

you never get over checking out any new tree line ahead

it is like that

The one there, just ahead has movement in the "trees" aka Congress/Senate and I and millions of others sense the danger.
Ambushes suck.
Look for yourself.

later

Your problem is your just on the wrong side of the ambush...

1250 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:14:24am

re: #1218 J.S.

It does look like an interesting book. I will say this: more Iranians hate Ahmadinejad than love America. Most Iranians do admire the American people, but are more suspicious of the American government.

1251 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:15:55am

re: #1237 Ben Hur

Eric Shawn.

Erection.

Work with me, people.


Ohhh...

1252 albusteve  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:16:42am

re: #1248 Ben Hur

HEMP is NOT a controlled substance.

It's illegal because it can be used to mask or camaflage Marijuana.

people disagree...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

1253 J.S.  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:20:39am

re: #1250 Kenneth

Yes. I trust your judgment in reading this book...(I wouldn't say that to everyone...I found the book very, very troubling -- that's if you read between the lines -- and, I'm sure, the author did not intend much of what I'm getting from the book...another hideously depressing thing was to read why Ahmadinejad hosted that Holocaust denial summit in Tehran, according to Majd...again, hideous...)

1254 Buck  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:30:33am

re: #1157 Ben Hur

Cure for radiation sickness found?

Yet another Zionist plot to save the world.

I saw this on Star Trek Voyager years ago...

1255 Picayune  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:37:38am

re: #1246 Rancher

We are all socialists now.

Harkin wants ethanol measures in climate bill

Late to this topic, my 2 cents:

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
Thomas Jefferson

(Thanks for this thread theme, Charles)

1256 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 17, 2009 10:49:44am

re: #1157 Ben Hur

Cure for radiation sickness found?

Yet another Zionist plot to save the world.

Yeah, but can it cure zionist hair rays?


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