Video: Jakarta Hotel Bombing
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Here’s an ABC News report on the bombings in Jakarta, Indonesia, with footage of one of the explosions from a hotel surveillance camera.
150 comments
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Kragar Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:33:59am |
Obviously this attack is in response to the failed policies of the Obama administration.
/
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apachegunner Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:34:36am |
re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Obviously this attack is in response to the failed policies of the Obama administration.
/
no doubt
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:36:07am |
That human being you just saw being obliterated probably had family members who loved him or her, and were waiting for them to come home to them that night.
Just a reminder.
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debutaunt Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:37:50am |
Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like if all this wasted energy went to positive goals.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:39:13am |
Strange. About 35 seconds in they flash a picture up of the alleged bomber Noordin Mohammad but he calls him Noordin Ta (or something like that).
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Tumulus11 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:40:00am |
. Even tight hotel security didn’t stop this new tactic. The jihadi Primitive was a hotel guest who blended in perfectly with the lobby milieu.
The security officer takes six steps in the video, but his left foot never touches the floor on the sixth step. The hotel bellstaff were directly in the path of the blast. G_d have mercy on them.
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subsailor68 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:41:40am |
re: #7 SasquatchOnSteroids
Strange. About 35 seconds in they flash a picture up of the alleged bomber Noordin Mohammad but he calls him Noordin Ta (or something like that).
It appears his full name is Noordin Mohammad Top.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:42:04am |
I hope the folks at the Hilton in Chicago are paying attention.
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chedgeman Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:42:07am |
re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Failed policies - isnt that kind of redundant?
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:42:43am |
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Dianna Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:43:07am |
Ah…did anyone else end up with a frozen computer when they tried to watch the video? Or did I do something?
I’m not exactly disaster-prone, but sometimes it looks that way.
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debutaunt Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:43:55am |
re: #10 MandyManners
I hope the folks at the Hilton in Chicago are paying attention.
If these monsters believe it will work, it will likely happen.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:44:00am |
re: #6 debutaunt
Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like if all this wasted energy went to positive goals.
Interesting thought but I don’t think they accomplish much good because they really can’t accomplish much evil effectively. These attacks are horrific but they really don’t have much impact and kill very few people. If they were to redirect their energy towards positive tings they’d just spend thousands on man hours and hundreds of thousands of dollars and only ending up delivering food to a dozen needy people.
They are incompetent and ineffective no matter what they try to accomplish.
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IslandLibertarian Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:45:07am |
“0” speeches seem to not be working.
Imagine my surprise.
/”0”s not the one we’ve been waiting for.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:45:10am |
re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Obviously this attack is in response to the failed policies of the Obama administration.
/
Funny, I thought Obama blamed it on George Bush.
/?
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:45:36am |
re: #18 buzzsawmonkey
BTW, posted a link in the Overnight. One of Human Rights Watch’s lawyers, with no prosecutorial experience, is now part of the Department of Justice’s internal security team. New York Post carried the story.
Are we feeling safe yet?
He will protect Americans from eeville Jewish settlers.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:45:37am |
re: #17 Killgore Trout
Interesting thought but I don’t think they accomplish much good because they really can’t accomplish much evil effectively. These attacks are horrific but they really don’t have much impact and kill very few people. If they were to redirect their energy towards positive tings they’d just spend thousands on man hours and hundreds of thousands of dollars and only ending up delivering food to a dozen needy people.
They are incompetent and ineffective no matter what they try to accomplish.
Er, are you talking about the UN, because I’m pretty sure I can think of lots of charities that are quite effective.
Also, she (debutant) might just have been talking about the people in Indonesia making Indonesia better. It’s really a very poor country.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:45:53am |
re: #16 debutaunt
If these monsters believe it will work, it will likely happen.
I’m thankful it’s not happened here.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:46:11am |
Wiki-
On April 29, 2006 Top narrowly escaped capture after his safe-house was raided by heavily armed Indonesian police in Binangun, Central Java. In the altercation two terror suspects Abdul Hadi and Jabir were killed.
Just think about that. For the lack of possibly a couple of minutes over 3 years ago, a lot of people died in that blast.
We cannot stop going after this disease.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:46:15am |
re: #22 EmmmieG
Er, are you talking about the UN, because I’m pretty sure I can think of lots of charities that are quite effective.
Also, she (debutant) might just have been talking about the people in Indonesia making Indonesia better. It’s really a very poor country.
Indonesia is a very Muslim country (but isn’t that the same thing?)
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lawhawk Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:46:24am |
Ross ignores the fact that JI may have had splintered, with more violent elements seeking to resume attacks after JI leadership appears to have decided on a change of tactics.
It also ignores the fact that just because you take out the top name terrorists (Hambali in this case) that the underlings aren’t going to stop their jihad.
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debutaunt Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:46:43am |
re: #17 Killgore Trout
I agree Killgore. It’s so disheartening that people band together with goals of destruction.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:47:12am |
re: #10 MandyManners
I hope the folks at the Hilton in Chicago are paying attention.
We need some stars to add to the dings
It would be cool if we could put a star on the posts that merit more than one upding.
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SixDegrees Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:48:23am |
Bumpy released an audiotape just a day or two ago. Anyone speculating on a connection?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:48:39am |
re: #22 EmmmieG
Er, are you talking about the UN, because I’m pretty sure I can think of lots of charities that are quite effective.
I was referring to Islamists.
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IslandLibertarian Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:48:59am |
re: #24 SasquatchOnSteroids
We cannot stop going after this disease KILLING THESE TERRORISTS!.
/I’m sure that is what you meant.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:49:08am |
re: #19 IslandLibertarian
“0” speeches seem to not be working.
Imagine my surprise./”0”s not the one we’ve been waiting for.
“I”s the one we’ve been waiting for
“U”s the one we’ve been waiting for
“E”s the one we’ve been waiting for
“Ay”s the one we’ve been waiting for
and sometimes ‘y’
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chedgeman Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:49:47am |
re: #17 Killgore Trout
There can be an impact: I think the tactic can back-fire as it did in Iraq and cause the population to lose their sympathy for the insurgents. Positive and negative depend on whose side you’re on.
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Ben Hur Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:50:21am |
Why do you think it is that this bombing is getting so much attention and the bombing last week that killed 50 Iraqis isn’t?
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Racer X Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:51:05am |
re: #17 Killgore Trout
Interesting thought but I don’t think they accomplish much good because they really can’t accomplish much evil effectively. These attacks are horrific but they really don’t have much impact and kill very few people. If they were to redirect their energy towards positive tings they’d just spend thousands on man hours and hundreds of thousands of dollars and only ending up delivering food to a dozen needy people.
They are incompetent and ineffective no matter what they try to accomplish.
Eh?
Way to pump some positive energy into the room.
Incompetent or not, I’d rather these radical Islamists spend thousands of man hours to help 7 people, than spend the same energy to kill 1.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:51:34am |
re: #32 IslandLibertarian
We cannot stop
going after this diseaseKILLING THESE TERRORISTS!./I’m sure that is what you meant.
of course.
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J.S. Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:52:31am |
re: #36 buzzsawmonkey
Ayman al-Zawahiri, “number two”, or Mr. Bumpy…
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:52:32am |
re: #31 Killgore Trout
I was referring to Islamists.
But if these intelligent young Indonesian men would put their efforts into learning engineering or scientific advancement, a lot of good could be accomplished.
It’s the Islamist part that is crippling, not the Indonesian pat.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:54:11am |
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Ben Hur Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:54:48am |
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Eowyn2 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:55:44am |
re: #17 Killgore Trout
Interesting thought but I don’t think they accomplish much good because they really can’t accomplish much evil effectively. These attacks are horrific but they really don’t have much impact and kill very few people.
They accomplish Fear.
Fear for oneself
Fear for ones spouse
Fear for ones children, grandchildren, siblings.
The wish to rule by fear and fear alone.
The Taliban ruled Afghanistan by fear
The Saudis are ruled by the royal family but it is the ‘moral police’ the people fear.
Iran is ruled by fear
Fear is a very very powerful weapon. Do not underestimate it.
And each of those ‘very few deaths’ had a family and/or friends.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:55:50am |
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:55:50am |
That was a brutal video clip. How do so many otherwise sane people side (even if only “intellectually”) with the people who did that?
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lawhawk Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:55:57am |
re: #35 Ben Hur
Three possibilities, none of which are mutually exclusive:
The targets for one - US companies Marriott and Ritz Carlton.
The location - Jakarta, which hasn’t been hit by mass casualty attacks for some time.
The media expectation for violence - it’s still somewhat expected to see mass casualty attacks in Iraq, less so in Indonesia.
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MikeAlv77 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:56:00am |
re: #42 EmmmieG
But if these intelligent young Indonesian men would put their efforts into learning engineering or scientific advancement, a lot of good could be accomplished.
It’s the Islamist part that is crippling, not the Indonesian pat.
Amazing how that is true where ever Islamists seem to be.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:56:11am |
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IslandLibertarian Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:56:18am |
re: #42 EmmmieG
Indonesians are very clever, resourceful, gentle (but they will fight) people who are being hijacked by radical Islam.
I pray for their liberation from this new tyranny.
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Ben Hur Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:57:06am |
re: #48 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Did you expect her to say “community organizers?”
But all they want is to get infidels off their land……..They are resisting.
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SixDegrees Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:57:24am |
re: #36 buzzsawmonkey
“Bumpy?”
Ayman Zawahiri, current leader of al Quaida. Unless you believe bin Laden is still alive, which puts AZ as second in command.
He has a very prominent bump on his forehead, self-induced by grinding his head against his prayer rug for years on end. Seriously.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:57:26am |
re: #21 Alouette
He will protect Americans from eeville Jewish settlers.
I’ve got a gazebo in the back yard you can settle on. It will be a bit chilly in the winter but nobody will be bombing it.
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Ben Hur Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:57:35am |
re: #50 lawhawk
Three possibilities, none of which are mutually exclusive:
The targets for one - US companies Marriott and Ritz Carlton.
The location - Jakarta, which hasn’t been hit by mass casualty attacks for some time.
The media expectation for violence - it’s still somewhat expected to see mass casualty attacks in Iraq, less so in Indonesia.
And the “O” factor.
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debutaunt Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:58:10am |
re: #53 IslandLibertarian
Indonesians are very clever, resourceful, gentle (but they will fight) people who are being hijacked by radical Islam.
I pray for their liberation from this new tyranny.
This tyranny has an expectation of causing submission through terror.
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IslandLibertarian Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:58:40am |
re: #33 Eowyn2
“I”s the one we’ve been waiting for
“U”s the one we’ve been waiting for
“E”s the one we’ve been waiting for
“Ay”s the one we’ve been waiting forand sometimes ‘y’
“0”, pronounced zero………..
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:58:56am |
Here’s one of the things that baffles me. In the USA, terrorists will probably look to strike the big cities first in order to cause maximum deaths. But the people who vote in the big cities (at least the majority) seem to choose the political leadership that would leave them most vulnerable. In the more rural areas, there are few likely terror targets, yet the people there tend to vote for those who would protect them (and all of us) better. City people are supposed to have so much street smarts and common sense, but it appears the people outside the cities have much more.
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Ben Hur Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:59:09am |
re: #48 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Did you expect her to say “community organizers?”
Actually, I thought they’d take a page from the BBC, find out his profession (aside from murderer) and refer to them as, “The two medical students then detonated….” or “The two western educated honor student physicians…..”
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:59:26am |
re: #60 buzzsawmonkey
Well, should he decide to convert to Judaism, maybe the bump can be surgically hollowed out and he can have permanent tefillin.
There’s a lot of empty space tefillin his head.
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J.S. Fri, Jul 17, 2009 11:59:27am |
re: #55 SixDegrees
but, then again, a “number two”, has a slightly different meaning in bathroom culture…
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Eowyn2 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:00:03pm |
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:00:37pm |
re: #60 buzzsawmonkey
Well, should he decide to convert to Judaism, maybe the bump can be surgically hollowed out and he can have permanent tefillin.
I would not desecrate a klaf (tefillin scroll) by putting it inside his head bump. Maybe “666” or something like that.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:00:38pm |
re: #64 J.S.
but, then again, a “number two”, has a slightly different meaning in bathroom culture…
“Who does Number Two work for?!?”
/Austin Powers
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Ben Hur Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:00:42pm |
re: #64 J.S.
but, then again, a “number two”, has a slightly different meaning in bathroom culture…
Who does #2 work for?!?
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:01:54pm |
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:02:46pm |
Did you notice the two porters loading luggage near the bomber? Just a couple of ordinary guys trying to make an honest living, casually blown out of existence by callous monsters. The depravity of these terrorist beasts would be unbelievable if it had not become almost routine. May we never become jaded to it though.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:03:18pm |
re: #61 _RememberTonyC
Here’s one of the things that baffles me. In the USA, terrorists will probably look to strike the big cities first in order to cause maximum deaths. But the people who vote in the big cities (at least the majority) seem to choose the political leadership that would leave them most vulnerable. In the more rural areas, there are few likely terror targets, yet the people there tend to vote for those who would protect them (and all of us) better. City people are supposed to have so much street smarts and common sense, but it appears the people outside the cities have much more.
Middle America has many fire sticks.
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:04:24pm |
re: #17 Killgore Trout
Interesting thought but I don’t think they accomplish much good because they really can’t accomplish much evil effectively. These attacks are horrific but they really don’t have much impact and kill very few people. If they were to redirect their energy towards positive tings they’d just spend thousands on man hours and hundreds of thousands of dollars and only ending up delivering food to a dozen needy people.
They are incompetent and ineffective no matter what they try to accomplish.
DMV Pizza anyone?
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BlueCanuck Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:04:25pm |
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lawhawk Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:05:09pm |
re: #71 Shiplord Kirel
The victims are almost irrelevant to the terrorists. They want to rack up a body count and seek out high profile targets because they know that it will make the press. That many of those murdered in terrorist attacks by Islamists actually are fellow Muslims is ignored by most of the media - and also gets glossed over by the Muslims themselves.
It is past time for Muslims to step up and stop the madness.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:05:26pm |
re: #67 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
“Who does Number Two work for?!?”
/Austin Powers
Which is itself a reference to The Prisoner, where one of Number 6’s questions is “Who is Number 1?”
(I never saw all the Prisoner episodes, but I just got the DVD set, on sale at Amazon, and I will see them all soon)
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:05:48pm |
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Dianna Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:06:19pm |
re: #37 Racer X
Eh?
Way to pump some positive energy into the room.
Incompetent or not, I’d rather these radical Islamists spend thousands of man hours to help 7 people, than spend the same energy to kill 1.
Absolutely.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:06:33pm |
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Ben Hur Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:06:59pm |
re: #76 lawhawk
The victims are almost irrelevant to the terrorists. They want to rack up a body count and seek out high profile targets because they know that it will make the press. That many of those murdered in terrorist attacks by Islamists actually are fellow Muslims is ignored by most of the media - and also gets glossed over by the Muslims themselves.
It is past time for Muslims to step up and stop the madness.
No True Muslim……
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BlueCanuck Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:07:00pm |
re: #78 Kosh’s Shadow
In this group I figured someone would get it. Should have known it was you. BTW, you are right about that B5 quote. Dropped off looking at other quotes.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:07:05pm |
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:07:19pm |
re: #73 buzzsawmonkey
Come now—it’s not that big a stretch. We all know that the Kaaba was built as a roadside attraction, to be the World’s Biggest Tefillin.
“While you’re meandering with your caravan around Arabia Deserta, stop off and see the World’s Biggest Tefillin!
Cleanrest rooms! Souvenir shop! Try the zaatar bread!”
“Kiss the giant silver nudge-nudge wink-wink!”
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:07:42pm |
re: #35 Ben Hur
Why do you think it is that this bombing is getting so much attention and the bombing last week that killed 50 Iraqis isn’t?
Bombs in Iraq is so last administration. Must keep up with the trends.
//
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:08:12pm |
re: #81 Ben Hur
No True Muslim……
Is that possible, with Taqqiya on the books?
/I think I just angered a portion of the Earth’s population.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:08:21pm |
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:08:42pm |
Btw, when I’m in a third world country, I always let the local porters carry my luggage. In contrast, some tourists and other ugly Americans take great pride in the egalitarian symbolism of doing it themselves. They have no idea how offensive this is to the locals. As the man said, it’s the local guy’s rice bowl.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:09:41pm |
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:09:55pm |
re: #82 BlueCanuck
In this group I figured someone would get it. Should have known it was you. BTW, you are right about that B5 quote. Dropped off looking at other quotes.
It is fresh in my mind because I just got the Prisoner DVD set and I’ve been watching it.
Now, I’m starting to think we’re all prisoners in “The Country”, which pretends to have democracy, but doesn’t, really. But I’m getting cynical. And this big ball just flew by, so I’d better be caref
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SixDegrees Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:10:32pm |
re: #60 buzzsawmonkey
Well, should he decide to convert to Judaism, maybe the bump can be surgically hollowed out and he can have permanent tefillin.
OK, I had to look that one up. Not a bad idea.
But I doubt that Bumpy will be converting anytime soon.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:11:56pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:12:05pm |
re: #90 Shiplord Kirel
Btw, when I’m in a third world country, I always let the local porters carry my luggage. In contrast, some tourists and other ugly Americans take great pride in the egalitarian symbolism of doing it themselves. They have no idea how offensive this is to the locals. As the man said, it’s the local guy’s rice bowl.
Ah HA!
Someone else who knows the term “rice bowl”, and what it means!
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:12:20pm |
re: #92 Alouette
No, it’s the Vagina of Allah.
I thought it might be a little further South than that.
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J.S. Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:12:30pm |
re: #60 buzzsawmonkey
reminds me of that Charles Taylor….(now that’s hideous)…
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:12:47pm |
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debutaunt Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:12:52pm |
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Dianna Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:13:01pm |
re: #90 Shiplord Kirel
You’re quite right, but no one but me touches my computer.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:13:25pm |
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Eowyn2 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:13:32pm |
re: #90 Shiplord Kirel
Btw, when I’m in a third world country, I always let the local porters carry my luggage. In contrast, some tourists and other ugly Americans take great pride in the egalitarian symbolism of doing it themselves. They have no idea how offensive this is to the locals. As the man said, it’s the local guy’s rice bowl.
Let them carry the bags and then tip them. Jeez. Thats how they make money.
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lawhawk Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:14:15pm |
re: #96 Eowyn2
Well, it’s the trailer from the movie Army of Darkness - and Ash shows the peons who’s boss by breaking out his boom stick - a shotgun. A twelve-gauge double-barreled Remington. Shop smart. Shop S-mart.
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Yashmak Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:14:23pm |
re: #61 _RememberTonyC
I agree.
People could write whole volumes (and many have) on the reasons behind what you said.
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:15:02pm |
re: #107 Eowyn2
It’s a crying shame to see all those Doctors Without Porters over there.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:15:11pm |
re: #102 buzzsawmonkey
All ya gotta do is watch “The Sand Pebbles.”
(*muttering* … IF I could find the GD thing in a format I can play!)
Yeah. I’d run across it much earlier. I think my Dad had explained it.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:15:21pm |
re: #108 lawhawk
Well, it’s the trailer from the movie Army of Darkness - and Ash shows the peons who’s boss by breaking out his boom stick - a shotgun. A twelve-gauge double-barreled Remington. Shop smart. Shop S-mart.
I remember that scene.
‘fire stick’ is an old 50 cal buffalo gun.
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Yashmak Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:15:25pm |
re: #85 CyanSnowHawk
Bombs in Iraq is so last administration. Must keep up with the trends.
//
So cynical, yet so true.
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debutaunt Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:16:02pm |
I’m just amazed that the protests continue in Iran.
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:16:11pm |
re: #98 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Ah HA!
Someone else who knows the term “rice bowl”, and what it means!
Indeed. One time I got off the plane in Brazil and gave my bags to the porter. A co-worker insisted on carrying his own. When we got to our car, he said he wanted to show them that he regarded them as his equals. I said, “They don’t think any such thing, they think you’re a cheap bastard.”
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:16:49pm |
re: #111 pre-Boomer Marine brat
(*muttering* … IF I could find the GD thing in a format I can play!)
Yeah. I’d run across it much earlier. I think my Dad had explained it.
Last I saw, Amazon had The Sand Pebbles on DVD, if you’re in Region I.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:17:04pm |
re: #115 Shiplord Kirel
Indeed. One time I got off the plane in Brazil and gave my bags to the porter. A co-worker insisted on carrying his own. When we got to our car, he said he wanted to show them that he regarded them as his equals. I said, “They don’t think any such thing, they think you’re a cheap bastard.”
Stupid is as stupid does.
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Eowyn2 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:17:35pm |
re: #116 Kosh’s Shadow
Last I saw, Amazon had The Sand Pebbles on DVD, if you’re in Region I.
that reminds me, there’s a book on amazon I need to go order.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:17:38pm |
re: #47 Eowyn2
They accomplish Fear.
Fear for oneself
Fear for ones spouse
Fear for ones children, grandchildren, siblings.The wish to rule by fear and fear alone.
The Taliban ruled Afghanistan by fear
The Saudis are ruled by the royal family but it is the ‘moral police’ the people fear.
Iran is ruled by fearFear is a very very powerful weapon. Do not underestimate it.
And each of those ‘very few deaths’ had a family and/or friends.
Islam, the Religion of Fear.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:18:04pm |
re: #115 Shiplord Kirel
Indeed. One time I got off the plane in Brazil and gave my bags to the porter. A co-worker insisted on carrying his own. When we got to our car, he said he wanted to show them that he regarded them as his equals. I said, “They don’t think any such thing, they think you’re a cheap bastard.”
heh
heh heh
HAR HAR HAR HAR!
*gasp* … *nod* … yeah, they’d rather make a living than experience egalitarianism
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Eowyn2 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:19:04pm |
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jcm Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:19:24pm |
re: #119 Eowyn2
that reminds me, there’s a book on amazon I need to go order.
Remember to link through the Amazon button up top.
Help support LGF.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:20:54pm |
re: #116 Kosh’s Shadow
Last I saw, Amazon had The Sand Pebbles on DVD, if you’re in Region I.
Looking for a local place to rent it. I don’t have, nor want, Netflix. Blockbuster has a zillion copies, all in BlueRay.
Buzz asked me to audit it for historical accuracy, which is the only reason I’d want to.
Buzz, I am keeping a check on the local video buy-and-sell place.
| 125 |
subsailor68 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:21:53pm |
OT, but isn’t this just great! (Not.):
2 House panels OK sweeping health care bill
Why, you may ask, is there a need for two panels to okay their “portions” of the bill - the Ways and Means and the Education and Labor?
Well, heck friends, it really isn’t two panels at all.
It’s three:
That left one more panel, the Energy and Commerce Committee, to take action…
Three panels, each coming up with their own set of stupid, incredibly expensive “ideas”.
Can’t wait until the crappy ideas from each “portion” are folded into one giant, ultra-crappy bill.
Spit.
| 126 |
SixDegrees Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:21:57pm |
re: #114 debutaunt
I’m just amazed that the protests continue in Iran.
Reporting from Iran sucks. There’s pretty obviously a major schism between factions within the government/clergy, with Rafsanjani now demanding the release of protesters who have been jailed, and citing the Koran as backup. No doubt the protestors are emboldened by such calls from high within the religious hierarchy, but no one in the Western media seems to be covering the story anymore.
It seems, though, that things are far from over. Word is that the protesters are getting more organized and determined by the week.
| 127 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:22:25pm |
re: #78 Kosh’s Shadow
I am not a number! I’m a free man!
/#6
| 129 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:23:08pm |
re: #118 buzzsawmonkey
I can understand that you’d learn it as a matter of course growing up in the service.
“The Sand Pebbles” is pretty good, despite its anti-Vietnam moonbat subtext.
(See the note in my #124)
I enjoyed the book … EXCEPT that the ending wasn’t what I wanted.
/WAAHH … he should’ve gotten the girl !
| 130 |
SixDegrees Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:25:09pm |
re: #125 subsailor68
OT, but isn’t this just great! (Not.):
2 House panels OK sweeping health care bill
Why, you may ask, is there a need for two panels to okay their “portions” of the bill - the Ways and Means and the Education and Labor?
Well, heck friends, it really isn’t two panels at all.
It’s three:
That left one more panel, the Energy and Commerce Committee, to take action…
Three panels, each coming up with their own set of stupid, incredibly expensive “ideas”.
Can’t wait until the crappy ideas from each “portion” are folded into one giant, ultra-crappy bill.
Spit.
You may laugh and be disgusted, but the Energy and Commerce Committee is where the best chance of derailing this bill lies. Be thankful there is still an opportunity left, given that it sailed through the other two committees without so much as a glance from Republicans who were too fixated on Sotomayor’s meaningless “wise Latina” molehill to do anything about it.
| 132 |
jcm Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:26:37pm |
Obama Needs to ‘Reset’ His Presidency
The president we have is very different from the man who campaigned for the office in 2008.
Time out, Mr. President.As we approach the August congressional recess, it’s clear that our economic distress is deeper than we thought, and thus your health-care and energy initiatives are in danger of stalling out. You could use a reset button for domestic policy.
Let’s take it from the top.
Your presidential campaign was superb. You restored hope to millions — including me — who had been demoralized by the political polarization that characterized the presidencies of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. You talked about reaching across party and ideological lines to get the public’s business done. Your biography was appealing, and for those of us who entered politics motivated by the civil-rights struggle, your candidacy represented an important culmination.
[snip]
What adjustments should be made?- Cut back both your proposals and expectations. You made promises about jobs that would be “created and saved” by the stimulus package. Those promises have not held up. You continue to engage in hyperbole by claiming that your health-care and energy plans will save tax dollars. Congressional Budget Office analysis indicates otherwise.
By Ted Van Dyk
Mr. Van Dyk was Vice President Hubert Humphrey’s assistant in the Johnson White House and active in national Democratic politics over 40 years.
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Yashmak Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:26:47pm |
re: #126 SixDegrees
No doubt the protestors are emboldened by such calls from high within the religious hierarchy, but no one in the Western media seems to be covering the story anymore.
The western media has the attention span of a gnat on crank…as was also noted by CyanSnowHawk above. They’re not reporting on Georgia anymore either, even though the Russians are continuing to act up there. That issue made the news for what, like 4 days?
| 134 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:27:51pm |
re: #124 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Looking for a local place to rent it. I don’t have, nor want, Netflix. Blockbuster has a zillion copies, all in BlueRay.
Buzz asked me to audit it for historical accuracy, which is the only reason I’d want to.
Buzz, I am keeping a check on the local video buy-and-sell place.
Well, on Amazon, it is only $12.49. If you had another $12.51 worth of stuff to buy, you’d get free shipping.
| 135 |
subsailor68 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:28:35pm |
re: #130 SixDegrees
You may laugh and be disgusted, but the Energy and Commerce Committee is where the best chance of derailing this bill lies. Be thankful there is still an opportunity left, given that it sailed through the other two committees without so much as a glance from Republicans who were too fixated on Sotomayor’s meaningless “wise Latina” molehill to do anything about it.
Hi six! I certainly hope you’re right. I was interested in the “portions” reference, which I inferred to mean that the overall bill had been split into sections that directly or indirectly fell under the purview of the particular panel. If so, Energy and Commerce could possibly do something with their portion, while the other two panels totally screw up theirs, couldn’t they?
(Just askin’, because I really don’t know how that bill was “portioned”.)
| 136 |
CommonCents Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:29:07pm |
re: #24 SasquatchOnSteroids
Wiki-
Just think about that. For the lack of possibly a couple of minutes over 3 years ago, a lot of people died in that blast.
We cannot stop going after this disease.
Stolen from the movie “The Siege” - “The most commited always wins”
| 138 |
Ben Hur Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:35:52pm |
re: #132 jcm
Don’t expect (and I know that you don’t) any pressing, “Have you made any mistakes and what are they?” type questions of The One.
| 139 |
Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:39:28pm |
re: #61 _RememberTonyC
Here’s one of the things that baffles me. In the USA, terrorists will probably look to strike the big cities first in order to cause maximum deaths. But the people who vote in the big cities (at least the majority) seem to choose the political leadership that would leave them most vulnerable. In the more rural areas, there are few likely terror targets, yet the people there tend to vote for those who would protect them (and all of us) better. City people are supposed to have so much street smarts and common sense, but it appears the people outside the cities have much more.
I think the best way to answer this question is through risk analysis: People who live in inner cities and in other high value targets are more likely to have been victims of other crimes or known people to be targets of crime on a day to day basis. Their energy is focused more on dealing with those events and taking precautions against the local drug dealer, the local rapists, gangs, murderers and armed robbers.
Looking at people who live in the suburbs and in rural counties, the perception is that they are ‘safer’ because they aren’t dealing with the inner city crimes. In addition, because they’re probably much more likely to be watching something like CNN, Fox, or other national cable news networks, they’re going to see all the terrorist events, hear about the Fort Dix six, or some other plot that happened in another country. They don’t hear about John down the street getting gunned down, or about Ruby getting raped in her home. Their perception is that terrorism is a greater threat than being robbed, raped or killed by a local criminal.
Obviously, I’m generalizing with this, but I don’t think I’m off base.
Another thought, oftentimes the people who are more likely to pay lip service to issues dealing with the inner city are Demoncrats. If you were living in or near poverty, and you had one party tell you it’s your fault your in poverty and another offering to help you get out of poverty, which would you be more likely to vote for and want in power?
| 140 |
Formercorpsman Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:42:07pm |
re: #126 SixDegrees
Knowing there are many in Iran still determined to seek something different, something better for themselves & how so many of our media outlets have just let it go drives me insane.
One aspect that I keep coming back to, is how many in that realm (left leaning) were insistent that the Iraqis take a greater stake in their own future. Shoulder more of the burden. (Actually, a point I agreed with totally) but we have let down the folks in Iran who have actually done that.
| 141 |
SixDegrees Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:42:24pm |
re: #135 subsailor68
Hi six! I certainly hope you’re right. I was interested in the “portions” reference, which I inferred to mean that the overall bill had been split into sections that directly or indirectly fell under the purview of the particular panel. If so, Energy and Commerce could possibly do something with their portion, while the other two panels totally screw up theirs, couldn’t they?
(Just askin’, because I really don’t know how that bill was “portioned”.)
As I understand it, the E&C committee is responsible for the most important portion of the bill - the money portion. How to pay for the damn thing. And there is a large bloc of opposition that thinks it’s just too expensive as currently written; impossibly so. This bloc contains a number of Democrats, so there is a possibility that it can be held up in committee indefinitely. It will take seven Democrats to sink it there; latest word is that there were seven who were against it a week ago, and that the number has risen to nine in the last couple of days. The costs are just too high to reconcile with their constituent’s status - mainly unemployed, and getting worse.
The Democrats are terrified that they won’t be able to rush this bill through under the banner of “crisis!” they’re trying to create around it. The last thing they want is to have it dragged out into the light of day where people can actually see it and understand what it contains. Blockading it in committee will help change all that, and give people more time to find out what it really means.
Here’s hoping that those few Dems opposing it stand their ground.
| 142 |
subsailor68 Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:44:18pm |
re: #141 SixDegrees
Thanks! Good info, and:
Here’s hoping that those few Dems opposing it stand their ground.
Totally with ya on that!
;-)
| 143 |
SixDegrees Fri, Jul 17, 2009 12:48:18pm |
re: #140 Formercorpsman
Knowing there are many in Iran still determined to seek something different, something better for themselves & how so many of our media outlets have just let it go drives me insane.
One aspect that I keep coming back to, is how many in that realm (left leaning) were insistent that the Iraqis take a greater stake in their own future. Shoulder more of the burden. (Actually, a point I agreed with totally) but we have let down the folks in Iran who have actually done that.
I’m not sure I agree. I’d like to hear what’s going on over there, but I don’t think there’s anything meaningful the US can do, one way or the other. It’s really up to the Iranian citizenry and the various factions of church/state to work out a solution for themselves. Having the US fan the flames just gives the worst faction a hook to hang their accusations of foreign interference on.
The ignorance of the ongoing situation by the press, however, grinds my ass. It’s an enormously important story, and they’ve walked away from it, most likely because they’ve been threatened and because it doesn’t match any narratives they’re hoping to relate.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:05:45pm |
re: #114 debutaunt
I’m just amazed that the protests continue in Iran.
You shouldn’t be. Iran has tried to keep a hybrid system for a while basically, we’ll give you some freedom to do things that are very culturally liberal (for an Islamic country), There is a large segment of the population that has grown up with fairly liberal values. Toss in some internet access, satellite dishes for quite a few households and you have a population that isn’t going to just sit idle.
Remember, Ahmalphabet only won in 2005 through voter boycott and probably voter fraud. This time around, for whatever reason, people decided they were going to vote, which lead to the regime panicking and overplaying their hand. You also have a schism in the Clerical ranks who feel the entire Iranian Revolution in 79 went against the tenants of their beliefs. They’ve quietly chaffed under the revolutionary rule, But they’d warned that to have a hybrid religious state would lead to the corription of the Clerics who led the state.
Now you’re seeing that as Khamenei has placed his son in a position of power in an effort to create a dynasty. In addition, I think that a number of the clerics are still idealistic, and rankle under the idea that the revolution can only be perpetuated by fraud. Remember, a lot of them still believe that the government shouldn’t be run by the clerics.
Back to the people. They’re not afraid anymore, and the only way the government can end this is with violence a massacre of 10s of thousands of their own people. and even then, the backlash they’d face from the remaining people would b tremendous.
The regime will fall, it may take a year, but remember, the protests against the Shaw started in 1977, and the Government didn’t fall until 1979.
Finally, when the people are so unafraid that they resort to mockery and jibes, know hope:
In Friday prayers, people are supposed to repeat what the speakers chant. Today, it was different. When Taqavi said “Death to America,” people responded “Death to Russia” or “Death to China” instead. Also, when he said “The blood in our veins, is a gift to our leader,” people said “The blood in our veins, is a gift to our nation.” According to our witness, “whenever Taqavi mentioned the name of the Supreme Leader, people would whistle and boo.”
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formercorpsman Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:09:03pm |
re: #143 SixDegrees
Your last paragraph is essentially the point I was trying to make.
Akin to a couple of years ago, the different clothing companies trying to push “peace” scarves, there is a message that can be made just by giving as issue some light of day.
All in all, by refusing to reporting on it, we are letting them down by not allowing a valid, and relevant topic of discussion related to world events be somewhere on the radar as a topic of discussion.
| 146 |
Clubsec Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:10:23pm |
That unclenching is working so well, right ObamUH?
He’ll tell you how effective his speeches are at moderating the ROPers. Especially in ‘moderate’ Muslim countries.
Meanwhile here at home every crisis is worked to perfection.
More money spent in his first 4 months than in the previous 43 administrations, and the Chinese are selling us the rope.
A La Razalina will be elevated to the SCOTUS.
With Tax and Fade, our energy sector will be on it’s knees within three years. The nuclear arsenal is willfully neglected and will deteriorate to insignificance. (Hell, he flat out said he was going to do this!)
Meanwhile Napolitano is studying veterans as more and more ‘stuff’ enters the country. But it is a ‘civil’ not a ‘criminal’ thing according to her. And our health care system will be third world by the end of the decade.
Things are going swimmingly aren’t they?
| 147 |
Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:13:27pm |
re: #125 subsailor68
OT, but isn’t this just great! (Not.):
2 House panels OK sweeping health care bill
Why, you may ask, is there a need for two panels to okay their “portions” of the bill - the Ways and Means and the Education and Labor?
Well, heck friends, it really isn’t two panels at all.
It’s three:
That left one more panel, the Energy and Commerce Committee, to take action…
Three panels, each coming up with their own set of stupid, incredibly expensive “ideas”.
Can’t wait until the crappy ideas from each “portion” are folded into one giant, ultra-crappy bill.
Spit.
Actually, I’d heard that the Health Care bill was buttoned up, unfortunately I was wrong, but in a small bit of good news (very small) The Blue Dogs managed to force a Republican sponsored amendment onto the bill:
The Blue Dogs may finally be for real.My colleague Patrick O’Connor sends the following dispatch from a very heated health care reform mark-up session:
A coalition of Blue Dogs and committee Republicans just forced Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) to accept a Republican amendment, authored by Oklahoma Rep. John Sullivan, requiring the secretary of Health and Human Services to terminate duplicative programs created by the bill.
The amendment passed, 29-27.
I’m hoping the health care bill dies, because it’s not going to do what it’s supporters promised. Most importantly it’s not going to reduce the cost of healthcare, particularly the portion the US Government is responsible for. If the Republicans can delay and explain how there’s a 350 Billion dollar shortfall, they may yet have a chance of stopping the bill short.
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Clubsec Fri, Jul 17, 2009 1:16:55pm |
Forgot to add, the Dhimmicrats have been in control of congress (both houses no less) since 2006. But the FMSM has forgotten this little factoid. More fun going after Republicans with lubricated zippers and keeping them in the headlines instead.
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strangelove Fri, Jul 17, 2009 2:07:56pm |
!!!END THE AMERICAN DOMINIONIST OCCUPATION OF INDONESIA!!!
US WAR MACHINE OUT OF!!…………
…oh…what?….we’re not in Indon—…..
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