Charles, check the spelling -- isn't it "Cronkite" with a "C"?

He was also there during the Iran Hostage Crises, reminding Americans that 52 of our countrymen were being held in Iran.

"the most trusted man in America"...wasn't that his un-official title?

re: #1 zombie

Charles, check the spelling -- isn't it "Cronkite" with a "C"?

Yes, I had a little brain fart there.

The news voice of my childhood.
RIP, Mr. Cronkite.

And that's the way it is, July 20, 2009

I remember him announcing the death of JFK. That's how old I am!

re: #6 Kosh's Shadow

And that's the way it is, July 20, 2009

Could you let me know the closing stock prices?

re: #5 livefreeor die

The news voice of my childhood.
RIP, Mr. Cronkite.

Nice post, I was trying to think of a way to say pretty much the same.

Sad. I remember his coverage of the JFK assassination in '63, Tet offensive in '68, Apollo 11 in '69 and everything else until '81.

Weird -- Charles brief misspelling of Cronkite as Kronkhite makes me realize that his name is likely a cognate of the German "krankheit"-- which means "illness" -- which he just succumbed to!

Cosmic, sorta.

re: #7 keeping it simple

the nuns played the radio in class for the rest of that day...6th grade...my first Cronk'...

Most LGF readers don't need to be told this, but please note that any mean-spirited comments about Cronkite will be deleted. If you can't restrain yourself from venting anger, do it somewhere else.

Condolences to the family.

I have had many Nam Vet's tell me over the years that Cronkite was instrumental in helping the Viet Cong turn abject defeat into victory during the Tet Offensive with his editorializing on his broadcasts.

May he rest in peace.

I grew up with many from the networks. Before I found out I was a better writer, I wanted to be them. I used to love Charles Kuralt. Soft music. Sunday morning. And shots from a Field.

re: #8 Lee Coller

Could you let me know the closing stock prices?

Sorry, I was thinking of the lunar landing date, and didn't check any of the many calendars.

re: #11 zombie

I was thinking the same thing. I learned that in high school German class.

re: #13 Charles

Thank you and amen...
We are not Huffpo or DU...

re: #7 keeping it simple

You're not old - you just have a good memory. Now, my kid brother went to Woodstock - that's old!

We went to the neighbors' house to watch the moon landing because they had a color TV. Didn't really need color for that...

I fell asleep on the floor.

re: #13 Charles

Most LGF readers don't need to be told this, but please note that any mean-spirited comments about Cronkite will be deleted. If you can't restrain yourself from venting anger, do it somewhere else.

How does one hate Walter Cronkite? sheesh!

My most vivid memory of Cronkite was on my eighth birthday.

After a rather disappointing brithday with no party, I was watching TV, and he said, "And that's the way it is, [month] [day, 19[year]." And suddenly, my birthday seemed "official" and I suddenly felt very special.

For that, he always held a place in my heart. (More than my $#&@#$% parents, actually. Imagine an eight-year-old with no party!)

My Grandmother would always 'shhh' us if we were making noise when 'Walter' (as she called him) was on the news.

I'll just think of him sailing his yacht, hand on the tiller, wind in his hair, foul-weather gear ...we can talk about Tet another day.

re: #16 Kosh's Shadow

Sorry, I was thinking of the lunar landing date, and didn't check any of the many calendars.

That explains itre: #22 zombie

My most vivid memory of Cronkite was on my eighth birthday.

After a rather disappointing brithday with no party, I was watching TV, and he said, "And that's the way it is, [month] [day, 19[year]." And suddenly, my birthday seemed "official" and I suddenly felt very special.

For that, he always held a place in my heart. (More than my $#&@#$% parents, actually. Imagine an eight-year-old with no party!)

You're older than I thought you were.

re: #22 zombie

Zombie,
Make one up or give out the real date, doesn't matter, and I promise, Lizards will throw you a b'day party next time!

re: #14 3 wood

Condolences to the family.

I have had many Nam Vet's tell me over the years that Cronkite was instrumental in helping the Viet Cong turn abject defeat into victory during the Tet Offensive with his editorializing on his broadcasts.

May he rest in peace.

the VC were virtually wiped out due to Tet...I don't get it

I thought he was dead. At least Abe Vigoda is still alive.

I still remember coming home from school early and seeing my mother crying while watching WC...11-22-1963.

A great American, the most influential journalist, along with Edward Murrow, in history, from a time when journalists liked America and reported the news as it happened and not as they wished it happened. Not cynical, not ironic, just the news.

And thats the way it is, on this day July 17, two thousand and nine.

Forget about the Vietnam War -- he cut his teeth an an excellent WWII reporter, out with the troops in battle.

Always remember that Cronkhite, despite retroactive criticism for some inaccurate presentation of various Vietnam memes, was rather moderate compared to so many other media people in those days. And by 21st century terms, he was a veritable paleo-con compared to even the most mainstream reporters today!

re: #22 zombie

Happy belated eighth birthday, Zombie!

In case there's any doubt whatsoever, you are very special.

re: #3 IslandLibertarian

"the most trusted man in America"...wasn't that his un-official title?

Yes-- and some what misplaced trust it was.

re: #31 zombie

Forget about the Vietnam War -- he cut his teeth an an excellent WWII reporter, out with the troops in battle.

Always remember that Cronkhite, despite retroactive criticism for some inaccurate presentation of various Vietnam memes, was rather moderate compared to so many other media people in those days. And by 21st century terms, he was a veritable paleo-con compared to even the most mainstream reporters today!

no...he is held accountable

re: #22 zombie

zombies get born? who knew?

re: #31 zombie

Forget about the Vietnam War -- he cut his teeth an an excellent WWII reporter, out with the troops in battle.

Always remember that Cronkhite, despite retroactive criticism for some inaccurate presentation of various Vietnam memes, was rather moderate compared to so many other media people in those days. And by 21st century terms, he was a veritable paleo-con compared to even the most mainstream reporters today!

Anyone that volunteered to get in a B-17 and fly several missions with the 8th USAAF over Germany has my admiration.

Sure enough, they're spewing hatred at Cronkite at Free Republic.

re: #25 Lee Coller

You're older than I thought you were.

That's true -- I must be at least 34 years old (figured out after some calculation-- Walter lasted until the early '80s)!

re: #19 chedgeman

You're not old - you just have a good memory.

Thanks. Yes, I remember that day very well. I can still see his face in my mind's eye when he made the announcement. He took off his glasses and made an obvious effort to keep from crying. I'm sure that clip and many others will be played on broadcasts tonight

My first memory of Walter Cronkite was the Apollo 8 mission. I remember the capsule approaching the moon, I believe in the morning, and he was explaining what was happening. I was a 1st grader then.

re: #36 calcajun

Anyone that volunteered to get in a B-17 and fly several missions with the 8th USAAF over Germany has my admiration.

yes, he wanted to be on the edge of history and that's fine...but he broke the rules and tossed away all objectivity after the Tet offensive and went off the deep end...I was there...he has a black mark against him and it is all of his own doing...shit happens

There will be a time for those kind of retrospectives I think; just not today.

re: #21 unrealizedviewpoint

Not hate. But there are many who took exception to some of what he did. To be sure, he was an industry leader and pioneer. He was human-- he told us the news not like a talking head, but as a friend or a relative. His personable delivery has not been matched by anyone since. And, no matter how you look at it -- 92 is a hell of a run.

I'm sure he made it past the Pearly Gates. He might have some 'splainin' to do to some folks up there, but he's in, to be sure.

re: #36 calcajun

Anyone that volunteered to get in a B-17 and fly several missions with the 8th USAAF over Germany has my admiration.

From wiki:

"He also landed in a glider with the 101st Airborne in Operation Market-Garden and covered the Battle of the Bulge. After the war, he covered the Nuremberg trials..."

Walter Cronkite's reportage on the space program, culminating in Neal Armstrong walking on the moon, was as good as it could get. I don't think anyone tuned in to that event anywhere else. I know, as a kid, I didn't. That should have been his legacy.

I also remember the over the top reactionism he displayed after the shock of Tet. That was running with the crowd. That was reporting, so to say, at its worst. I often wonder if he ever considered an apology for that one. There was a tremendous knee jerk after that action, and he led the way.

At some point in his life he must have known what he had reported was dead wrong, but to the best of my knowledge, he never admitted it.

A mixed bag he was, as are we all I suppose.

And that is all I have to say about that.

RIP Walter.

RIP Walter Conkrite.

That moment when he was overcome with emotion during the moon landing coverage is seared into my brain - the pride of accomplishment of this nation.

re: #4 Charles

Yes, I had a little brain fart there.

I think you did it on the last thread, too.

Saw him and a few other CBS types in Nam during Tet '68.

Rest in Peace Walt

re: #37 Charles

Pure class...
/sarc/

re: #46 reine.de.tout

RIP Walter Conkrite.

That moment when he was overcome with emotion during the moon landing coverage is seared into my brain - the pride of accomplishment of this nation.

That is my #1 memory of him.

re: #41 albusteve

yes, he wanted to be on the edge of history and that's fine...but he broke the rules and tossed away all objectivity after the Tet offensive and went off the deep end...I was there...he has a black mark against him and it is all of his own doing...shit happens

Yes-- that is the big black mark for which I won't forgive. But, it only colors, maybe even slightly tarnishes, the rest of his great volume of work-- does not undo it.

May he rest in peace.

Back in college, when my roommates had a TV, we used to watch him every night. At the end of the newscast, they played part of Beethoven's 9th. Then the sitcom "Hazel" would come on.

re: #36 calcajun

Anyone that volunteered to get in a B-17 and fly several missions with the 8th USAAF over Germany has my admiration.

Thank you for giving me that bit of insight.

he had cool hair...way before it's time

re: #51 calcajun

Yes-- that is the big black mark for which I won't forgive. But, it only colors, maybe even slightly tarnishes, the rest of his great volume of work-- does not undo it.

I disagree...strongly

RIP Walter.

Katie said what?

re: #46 reine.de.tout

RIP Walter Conkrite.

That moment when he was overcome with emotion during the moon landing coverage is seared into my brain - the pride of accomplishment of this nation.

I remember his announcing that the US hockey team had beaten the Soviets in the 1980 Olympics-"In a stunning upset, ..." You could tell how elated he was even though he was trying to maintain his usual broadcasting voice.

Unfortunately, even turning off CBS won't rid the screen of Katie for the next few days...

Back when news was actually news and not the left or right presenting their views disguised as news, and wasn't about ratings but integrity. The last of the great ones is gone. I remember listening to him during the various space missions, watching as the astronauts stepped off the ladder. I'll always remember "And that's the way it is." RIP Walter, we'll miss you.

re: #44 zombie

I would say the glider mission was more dangerous than the B-17!

Apollo’s Historic Lunar Landing

Awesome images!

Goodnight Chet
Goodnight David
Goodnight Walter

...sail on sailor...

Good night America. And good night from Texaco.

re: #64 IslandLibertarian

...sail on sailor...

no Beach Boys?

And Cronkite retired under his own terms, unlike his successor!

I remember touring the Maine coast years ago, and my guide pointed to a huge house on a cliff overlooking the ocean. "That's Cronkite's retirement home", he said.

re: #58 livefreeor die

I remember his announcing that the US hockey team had beaten the Soviets in the 1980 Olympics-"In a stunning upset, ..." You could tell how elated he was even though he was trying to maintain his usual broadcasting voice.

You see, that's what I remember about him.
I know he was a liberal.
But he was so proud of this country and he was not afraid to let it show.

The pipes for Mr. Cronkite.

To further put his professionalism and influence in perspective, there is no one in broadcasting today who approaches the respect that Americans had for Walter.

re: #50 BatGuano

That is my #1 memory of him.

Mine too. I think it's important to remember that even those we sometimes disagree with can be patriots, regardless if they are found right or wrong in the end.
That's the biggest bone I had to pick with some on the left about Bush, I felt it was fair to question his decisions, but not his love of country. I feel the same way about Cronkite and some of his opinions.

re: #61 Ojoe

I would say the glider mission was more dangerous than the B-17!

Not close, but shows some courage for sure.

re: #72 avanti

Mine too. I think it's important to remember that even those we sometimes disagree with can be patriots, regardless if they are found right or wrong in the end.
That's the biggest bone I had to pick with some on the left about Bush, I felt it was fair to question his decisions, but not his love of country. I feel the same way about Cronkite and some of his opinions.

Well, we agree on that!

re: #71 BatGuano

To further put his professionalism and influence in perspective, there is no one in broadcasting today who approaches the respect that Americans had for Walter.

A lot of people wanted him to run for president.

I'm glad he didn't do it.

RIP all the good men that perished in Viet Nam, inspite of the awful treatment by the MSM...they did everything the feds asked them to do and more...they died while journos lived and got rich

re: #66 albusteve

no Beach Boys?

nor Bach's boys...

When are we going back ?

re: #58 livefreeor die

I remember his announcing that the US hockey team had beaten the Soviets in the 1980 Olympics-"In a stunning upset, ..." You could tell how elated he was even though he was trying to maintain his usual broadcasting voice.

That sure was a memorable event in time.
I saw that game and it was incredibly awe-inspiring.

re: #71 BatGuano

That is a fact. I disagreed with his politics when I grew up, but the man would've never drug his profession in the dirt like "What's the frquency Kenneth" Rather.

re: #75 wrenchwench

A lot of people wanted him to run for president.

I'm glad he didn't do it.

I sure wish our president would retire to become a TV anchor. He reads the teleprompter brilliantly!

re: #72 avanti

I disagreed with him at times but never questioned his patriotism. His pride in the space program and the landing of Apollo 11 could only well from patriotism. ( no "buts" at this time).

re: #70 Ojoe

Stunning.

re: #78 SasquatchOnSteroids

We're never going back to the Moon if Obama and the anti-intellectuals have their way.

Although I am only 40, I must admit there is a part of me that feels a certain sadness every time we note the passing of a recognizable figure within the American fabric.

Perhaps it is a reminder of those things once close to me that are now gone. Those things synonymous of another era, family members departed, a different place in time.

I am thinking of my grandfather right now.

RIP Mr. Cronkite.

re: #75 wrenchwench

(Ditto)

My first reaction was:

There was a lot of effective reporting, but there were Tet and 9/11. Speak nothing but good of the dead. If there is an afterlife, I hope Cronkite finds justice there. Condolences to his family. That's about the best I can do.

ripre: #13 Charles

Most LGF readers don't need to be told this, but please note that any mean-spirited comments about Cronkite will be deleted. If you can't restrain yourself from venting anger, do it somewhere else.

If there is an afterlife, I wish Cronkite the same degree of mercy that I will need myself.

Evening News Golden Age 1952-1981

Walter Cronkite and Huntley Brinkley Report

re: #73 The Shadow Do

No power. One chance to land. Pilots that did not qualify for other jobs. Partially wooden structures. No runway. If you get down in one piece, you are in a combat zone.

I'll take the B-17

re: #79 callahan23

That sure was a memorable event in time.
I saw that game and it was incredibly awe-inspiring.

Gen X, Y etc. really don't know the feeling we had about the Soviet teams back in the day - all military - full time - funded - steroided.

Walter Cronkite reported the news, todays info-babes just read the news.

re: #81 Racer X

I sure wish our president would retire to become a TV anchor. He reads the teleprompter brilliantly!

Except when the TOTUS can't take it any more and commits hara-kiri.

re: #37 Charles

Assholes

re: #91 sngnsgt

Walter Cronkite reported the news, todays info-babes just read the news.

until he didn't...funny how Harry Reid gets crucified yet Cronkite gets a pass

My condolences to friends and family.

re: #76 albusteve

The brave soldiers in Vietnam didn't die because the journalists reported what was going on, they died because the politicians screwed up. And Cronkite was the one person courageous enough, and with enough of a reputation for fairness (one that was thoroughly deserved), that could go there and report on what was going on rather than military briefings about how swell things were going.

Please at least read some history before you comment on it.

re: #87 jvic

If there is an afterlife, I wish Cronkite the same degree of mercy that I will need myself.

I defer to your classy way of putting it.

re: #71 BatGuano

To further put his professionalism and influence in perspective, there is no one in broadcasting today who approaches the respect that Americans had for Walter.

His reporting on the Tet business was the beginning of the end of objective journalism. It was the beginning of the beginning of the activist journalism we know and love today.

Don't doubt for a minute that todays journalists appreciate the collapse of America in Vietnam as a media driven victory to be repeated. Groundbreaking stuff for the modern left.

I was unaware of his assessment of the Tet offensive for years afterward. I was busy at the time...dealing with Tet and its aftermath. He was dead wrong. I've been dead wrong in my lifetime also.

"To forgive is divine."

R.I.P Uncle Walter. Condolences to his family.

re: #89 Ojoe

No power. One chance to land. Pilots that did not qualify for other jobs. Partially wooden structures. No runway. If you get down in one piece, you are in a combat zone.

I'll take the B-17

Also, one mission - not twenty

re: #98 The Shadow Do

Let it rest. Not here. Not now.

From Free Republic:

Payers for him - but he was a strident Atheist until he died.
I don't wish that on him, but it is what it is.

He HATED God. Hated Him.

Walter Cronkite, for very good reasons the heartthrob of wholesome America, has sent out a letter for general circulation in behalf of "The Interfaith Alliance." The letter's purpose is to ask recipients of it to send money to the Alliance in order to combat the Christian Coalition. Mr. Cronkite intro- duces himself (as if that were necessary) by saying that in years gone by he needed to conceal his own strong opinions but now that he is no longer the anchorman of CBS, he feels free to ventilate these opinions.

I can post whatever documentation you wish about that.

Still - prayers for his soul - and good luck with what you believed Walter.

If you are in Hell now - you now know Eternal Suffering and what it means to be wrong. Christ could have helped you.

But not now. You made your choice.

How terrible.

74 posted on July 17, 2009 5:29:20 PM PDT by SkyPilot

Feel the good Christian love!

Cronkite was a huge influence on America and public opinion...there is no question he was not an evil man for his VN war 'mishap'...he was honest and a good patriot, but nobody is perfect...it is what it was and I hold no grudges

re: #94 albusteve

Steve, I think it is fair game to question some of the actions and issues surrounding him related to the Vietnam War.

He did just pass away though. There is sure to be more than enough time to reflect on those arguments.

Nothing more, nothing less my friend.

re: #102 Charles
That is just vile. No compassion there at all. Fuckwads.

re: #102 Charles

nothing Cristian 'bout that...

RIP Walter Cronkite. My sympathies to your loved ones.

re: #102 Charles

WOW, just wow.

re: #96 JEA62

The brave soldiers in Vietnam didn't die because the journalists reported what was going on, they died because the politicians screwed up. And Cronkite was the one person courageous enough, and with enough of a reputation for fairness (one that was thoroughly deserved), that could go there and report on what was going on rather than military briefings about how swell things were going.

Please at least read some history before you comment on it.

he missed the Tet offensive big time...the already weary public fell for his defeatism and there is no doubt it cost lives...that's the history of it and it is not pretty

RIP.

John Podhoretz notes how the media has changed.

"Cronkite was a key figure in many ways, but foremost among them, perhaps, was the fact that he cleared the way for the mainstream media and the Establishment to join what Lionel Trilling called “the adversary culture.” Cronkite, the gravelly voice of accepted American wisdom, whose comportment suggested he kept his money in bonds and would never even have considered exceeding the speed limit, devastated President Lyndon Johnson in the wake of the 1968 Tet Offensive by declaring that the United States 'was mired in stalemate' in Vietnam—when Johnson knew that Tet had been a military triumph. . ."

"When Rather attempted, in [2004], to bring down a president in the midst of a close reelection bid with a report based on obviously forged papers—a greater journalistic sin than Cronkite’s, by far—he was undone in 12 hours by a lawyer in Atlanta commenting on a blog and a jazz musician in Los Angeles with a blog who demonstrated the papers in question had been produced at least a decade after the report claimed they had. Had there been an Internet in 1968, and military bloggers aplenty, Cronkite’s false conclusion about Tet would have been challenged immediately; we would not have had to wait for Braestrup to publish his enormous book nine years later."

I corrected the date in the original.

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

re: #106 IslandLibertarian

nothing Cristian 'bout that...

or Christian either...

re: #98 The Shadow Do

His reporting on the Tet business was the beginning of the end of objective journalism. It was the beginning of the beginning of the activist journalism we know and love today.

Don't doubt for a minute that todays journalists appreciate the collapse of America in Vietnam as a media driven victory to be repeated. Groundbreaking stuff for the modern left.

indeed groundbreaking...an enormous mistake

re: #98 The Shadow Do

His reporting on the Tet business was the beginning of the end of objective journalism. It was the beginning of the beginning of the activist journalism we know and love today.

Don't doubt for a minute that todays journalists appreciate the collapse of America in Vietnam as a media driven victory to be repeated. Groundbreaking stuff for the modern left.

I agree. At some point I 'll rip him up one side and down the other. For me today is not the day. I'm sorry for the precedent that he set in that regard.

re: #104 formercorpsman

Steve, I think it is fair game to question some of the actions and issues surrounding him related to the Vietnam War.

He did just pass away though. There is sure to be more than enough time to reflect on those arguments.

Nothing more, nothing less my friend.

okay

I would drink with Walter Cronkite anyday...thats the highest regard I can give a man

I loved his coverage of the Apollo moon shots. As a kid fascinated by all things science, my imagination soared. God rest you Mr Cronkite.

Pujols #33!

re: #115 albusteve
The stories would be phenomonal!

Well, they've gone wall to wall coverage.

/still no Geraldo or Greta yet

re: #118 pingjockey

/response to previous question

As a child, hearing Walter Cronkite's voice used to always reminded me of the space programs, science, technology, and the future. His voice was synonymous with almost every aspect of new coverage surrounding NASA of which I held a strong interest. He was there during a time when I remember the World's Fair in NYC, trips to the Museum of Natural History, and the fascinating space exhibits in the Allied Building. That's how I remember Walter Cronkite.

It is a shame that Walter Cronkite did not live long enough to see these images. I think he would have been moved by them:

[Link: bit.ly...]

re: #116 Kenneth

I loved his coverage of the Apollo moon shots. As a kid fascinated by all things science, my imagination soared. God rest you Mr Cronkite.

Thats how I will remember tonight.

No comment.

re: #102 Charles

Yeesh. I also can't help but note the irony that the people who hate him the most for predicting failure in Viet Nam are the same people who are today predicting (and cheering) the economic destruction on the United States under Obama.

re: #120 Killian Bundy
That's fucking crazy! That's what the one and his crew want to do to the whole country. No one is DC could run a 7/11 and turn a profit and they want to run the whole goddamn economy and health care. Numbnuts.

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Yeesh. I also can't help but note the irony that the people who hate him the most for predicting failure in Viet Nam are the same people who are today predicting (and cheering) the economic destruction on the United States under Obama.

Who's cheering?

His voice was very much a part of my Sixties and Seventies childhood, and he was very much a dedicated and talented journalist.

As for the Tet Offensive, here's how I put it elsewhere: de mortuis nil nisi bonum, et requiem en pace (speak no ill of the dead, and rest in peace).

re: #122 Sambo

Check out the photo showing the footpath of the astronauts from the Apollo 14 mission. Incredible.

[Link: bit.ly...]

Barbara Walters(!) just brought up a good point, no anchor anywhere will ever be as trusted or respected as Walter Cronkite.

re: #4 Charles

Yes, I had a little brain fart there.

Charles, check the "Tags" as well. It still has Cronkite with a "K." ;)

re: #96 JEA62

The brave soldiers in Vietnam didn't die because the journalists reported what was going on, they died because the politicians screwed up. And Cronkite was the one person courageous enough, and with enough of a reputation for fairness (one that was thoroughly deserved), that could go there and report on what was going on rather than military briefings about how swell things were going.

The times were a complete turmoil. Emotions got the best of us all then, including Walter.

I respect the man but it is wrong for everyone, including me, to judge too harshly or too favorably. I have tried since that time to gain perspective but it is hard not only given the times then, but the revisionism since.
Vietnam continues to haunt this country even though you may not have been there to personally exerience it.

"Please at least read some history before you comment on it."

Take your own advice, the history is not written yet.

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Yeesh. I also can't help but note the irony that the people who hate him the most for predicting failure in Viet Nam are the same people who are today predicting (and cheering) the economic destruction on the United States under Obama.

the two are miles apart...destruction has varying meanings it seems

re: #127 DEZes

Who's cheering?

That's what I was wondering.
Seems to me the biggest cheerleaders are those writers of magazine and newspaper articles that who like to tell us how much we are enjoying being poorer than we were.

I'm certainly not cheering.

re: #122 Sambo

It is a shame that Walter Cronkite did not live long enough to see these images. I think he would have been moved by them:

[Link: bit.ly...]

That is abso-freakin'-awesome.
Now all those conspiracy idjits will have to shut the f*** up.
Visual proof of the Apollo landing sites.

re: #71 BatGuano

He loved this country--this country loved him.

The relationship have broken down because "journalists" have abandoned the former, else they would enjoy the latter.

re: #129 Sambo
There's a website, wechoosetogotothemoon.org that is running a replay of the entire Apollo 11 mission.

re: #102 Charles

Christians are strictly forbidden from judging who's going to hell. That's up to G-d, not to them. Jesus said, "Judge not, that thou be not judged." It seems that sanctimonious bastard has forgotten that.

re: #127 DEZes

Who's cheering?

Ron Paul!

re: #84 Sambo

We're never going back to the Moon if Obama and the anti-intellectuals have their way.

Sambo, speaking of going back to the moon, did you see Krauthammer's new opinion column on that subject? I don't necessarily agree 100%, but I think it's a beautifully written and persuasive piece of work:

The Moon We Left Behind

re: #129 Sambo

Check out the photo showing the footpath of the astronauts from the Apollo 14 mission. Incredible.

[Link: bit.ly...]

Alan Shepard's footprints.

re: #139 quickjustice

Christians are strictly forbidden from judging who's going to hell. That's up to G-d, not to them.

Gee, when I said the same thing after Saddam Hussein's execution, I got thrown into the smelting pot.

Vietnam was the first war to be televised nationally, with graphic images in every living room every evening. Lyndon Johnson's "guns and butter" strategy, where most of America was unaffected by the war, backfired on him badly.

re: #135 callahan23

That is abso-freakin'-awesome.
Now all those conspiracy idjits will have to shut the f*** up.
Visual proof of the Apollo landing sites.

"Its all photoshop."
My point here is, the nut cases will not accept anything that may derail their conspiracies.
I have argued with them before.

I need to check out.
See y'all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. Really!

re: #119 Killian Bundy

Well, they've gone wall to wall coverage.

/still no Geraldo or Greta yet

Yes, but imitation being is the sincerest form of praise, you don't see today's talking-heads imitating his "straight-up-the-middle" integrity. Their praise is therefore tainted in my mind...just so much lip-service.

re: #139 quickjustice

Well said. And as I once put it, "I'm too worried about my own sins to spend much time judging others'."

re: #146 callahan23

I need to check out.
See y'all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. Really!

Have a good one Callahan.

His Vietnam reporting has left a bad taste in my mouth, but godspeed to him nonetheless and best to his family.

re: #129 Sambo
That is cool! Watched that show on Discover or History Channel about the moon troofers. Buncha asshats.

re: #141 ShanghaiEd

Have not seen it. Thanks for the reference, SE!

re: #145 DEZes

"Its all photoshop."
My point here is, the nut cases will not accept anything that may derail their conspiracies.
I have argued with them before.

Resistant to facts. Intellectual teflon no fact will stick.
G'-night (DEZes)

re: #134 reine.de.tout

That's what I was wondering.

There's plenty of cheering. Do you ever see any good economic news posted on "right wing" blogs? They'll only post bad news or doom and gloom predictions about the impending implosion. New home starts rose today higher than expected. Nobody reported that. We had another up week on the market. Nobody reported that. Most economists are reporting that the economy is recovering. Where's the right wing coverage?
Rush Limbaugh's "hoping for failure" is no different than the left's hoping for defeat in Iraq or Viet Nam.

re: #146 callahan23

I need to check out.
See y'all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. Really!

Take good care my friend.

re: #141 ShanghaiEd

Sambo, speaking of going back to the moon, did you see Krauthammer's new opinion column on that subject? I don't necessarily agree 100%, but I think it's a beautifully written and persuasive piece of work:

The Moon We Left Behind

Good link, thanks for posting. I especially liked this part:

Yes, we have a financial crisis. No one's asking for a crash Manhattan Project. All we need is sufficient funding from the hundreds of billions being showered from Washington -- "stimulus" monies that, unlike Eisenhower's interstate highway system or Kennedy's Apollo program, will leave behind not a trace on our country or our consciousness -- to build Constellation and get us back to Earth orbit and the moon a half-century after the original landing.

Why do it? It's not for practicality. We didn't go to the moon to spin off cooling suits and freeze-dried fruit. Any technological return is a bonus, not a reason. We go for the wonder and glory of it. Or, to put it less grandly, for its immense possibilities. We choose to do such things, said JFK, "not because they are easy, but because they are hard." And when you do such magnificently hard things -- send sailing a Ferdinand Magellan or a Neil Armstrong -- you open new human possibility in ways utterly unpredictable.

re: #137 pingjockey

Thank you, PJ. I am signed up with that site for the last few days. Some nice stuff there.

Here's a bit of how whacked I am. I have some of the Apollo 11 mission audio on my iPod, and sometimes have it running the background while I'm at work in my office.

re: #141 ShanghaiEd

Sambo, speaking of going back to the moon, did you see Krauthammer's new opinion column on that subject? I don't necessarily agree 100%, but I think it's a beautifully written and persuasive piece of work:

The Moon We Left Behind

International Space Station, still under construction, may be debris by 2016

/we're in full space exploration retreat

re: #102 Charles

As a Christian, I am ...speechless. At the moment.

re: #139 quickjustice

Christians are strictly forbidden from judging who's going to hell. That's up to G-d, not to them. Jesus said, "Judge not, that thou be not judged." It seems that sanctimonious bastard has forgotten that.

When will they ever learn?

re: #157 Sambo
That ain't whacked, in my book!

re: #154 Killgore Trout

There's plenty of cheering. Do you ever see any good economic news posted on "right wing" blogs? They'll only post bad news or doom and gloom predictions about the impending implosion. New home starts rose today higher than expected. Nobody reported that. We had another up week on the market. Nobody reported that. Most economists are reporting that the economy is recovering. Where's the right wing coverage?
Rush Limbaugh's "hoping for failure" is no different than the left's hoping for defeat in Iraq or Viet Nam.

how did we get to where we are?...90% of this meltdown lies squarely at the feet of the democrats...all last fall while the stock market was in freefall BO did nothing but hire tax cheats to run the Treasury...quadrupled the national debt...defies history and the laws of economocs and we are supposed to sit here and cheer some minor rebound to a disaster of liberal making?...I think not

re: #156 jaunte
Nice. Exploration damnit! We are curious us humans, have to see what's over the next hill. We lose that drive, we lose ourselves. IMO.

Have a good night folks, I have a weekend full of baseball.

If anyone is so inclined, please say a prayer for the family of Sgt. Michael W. Heede.

Another Marine who paid the ultimate sacrifice this week.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

At Last, 40 Years Later: Apollo Landers Seen on the Moon

Walter would have loved to see these photos.

re: #156 jaunte

Thank you, jaunte.

Cronkite set a standard for broadcast journalism that was rarely approached and never eclipsed. How we are in desperate need of honest journalists. RIP Walter and smooth sailing...

re: #154 Killgore Trout

There's plenty of cheering. Do you ever see any good economic news posted on "right wing" blogs? They'll only post bad news or doom and gloom predictions about the impending implosion. New home starts rose today higher than expected. Nobody reported that. We had another up week on the market. Nobody reported that. Most economists are reporting that the economy is recovering. Where's the right wing coverage?
Rush Limbaugh's "hoping for failure" is no different than the left's hoping for defeat in Iraq or Viet Nam.

Not reporting what you want to read is far from cheering.

re: #154 Killgore Trout

There's plenty of cheering. Do you ever see any good economic news posted on "right wing" blogs? They'll only post bad news or doom and gloom predictions about the impending implosion. New home starts rose today higher than expected. Nobody reported that. We had another up week on the market. Nobody reported that. Most economists are reporting that the economy is recovering. Where's the right wing coverage?
Rush Limbaugh's "hoping for failure" is no different than the left's hoping for defeat in Iraq or Viet Nam.

Reporting the truth isn't "cheering" the destruction of our free market, I mean, neo-free market economy.
You are assuming what those of us on the right are thinking and what our intent is without any evidence to back it up.

I don't know any conservatives that have ever "cheered" the immense damage that those on the left (and some Republicans) have done to our economy.

re: #154 Killgore Trout
I*'m going to disagree. I want Nat'l Health care not to pass, I don't want most of the rest of the economy run by DC insiders, ie the auto industry. I don't want the USA turned into the EU.

re: #160 BatGuano

When will they ever learn?

There's a great story by G.K. Chesterton called "The Chief Mourner of Marne" "which deals with the theme of judging and forgiveness. The point it makes is that we all too often excuse, ignore or rationalize sins we ourselves commit or are comfortable with, while we violently condemn ones outside our own experience. I suppose that's human nature.

re: #170 SteveRogers

Reporting the truth isn't "cheering" the destruction of our free market, I mean, neo-free market economy.
You are assuming what those of us on the right are thinking and what our intent is without any evidence to back it up.

I don't know any conservatives that have ever "cheered" the immense damage that those on the left (and some Republicans) have done to our economy.

No, reporting the truth, according to liberals, is "seething and raging."

re: #163 albusteve

how did we get to where we are?...90% of this meltdown lies squarely at the feet of the democrats...all last fall while the stock market was in freefall BO did nothing but hire tax cheats to run the Treasury

Last fall?!? BO was elected in November, and sworn in in January (a winter month).

re: #154 Killgore Trout

There's plenty of cheering. Do you ever see any good economic news posted on "right wing" blogs? They'll only post bad news or doom and gloom predictions about the impending implosion. New home starts rose today higher than expected. Nobody reported that. We had another up week on the market. Nobody reported that. Most economists are reporting that the economy is recovering. Where's the right wing coverage?
Rush Limbaugh's "hoping for failure" is no different than the left's hoping for defeat in Iraq or Viet Nam.

There you go with that all inclusive statement, like everyone here fits into your description.

Walter Cronkite passes away and guess who's unavailable for comment, or hasn't been heard from so far? The man who followed him into that anchor chair.

re: #172 mikalm

Speaker For the Dead by Orson Scott Card

not as good as the first two books but good for your point

re: #163 albusteve

90% of this meltdown lies squarely at the feet of the democrats...

Not even close to reality.

re: #178 Killgore Trout

Not even close to reality.

Not even remotely close to reality.

re: #154 Killgore Trout

There's plenty of cheering. Do you ever see any good economic news posted on "right wing" blogs? They'll only post bad news or doom and gloom predictions about the impending implosion. New home starts rose today higher than expected. Nobody reported that. We had another up week on the market. Nobody reported that. Most economists are reporting that the economy is recovering. Where's the right wing coverage?
Rush Limbaugh's "hoping for failure" is no different than the left's hoping for defeat in Iraq or Viet Nam.

my bad, then, because I don't go to right-wing (or left-wing) blogs, can't stomach the shrieking tone of most of them.

But unemployment, I believe, is up to record levels (10% or so), and that's not a "doom and gloom" prediction, that's a fact. There are several lizards here whose lives have been affected.

I watch the market myself, because I have some good investments, so I'm aware that I'm OK.

So, I'm unaware of much "cheerleading" for the economy to fail.

re: #163 albusteve

how did we get to where we are?...90% of this meltdown lies squarely at the feet of the democrats...all last fall while the stock market was in freefall BO did nothing but hire tax cheats to run the Treasury...quadrupled the national debt...defies history and the laws of economocs and we are supposed to sit here and cheer some minor rebound to a disaster of liberal making?...I think not

The truth never was clearer... kudos Steve.

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Yeesh. I also can't help but note the irony that the people who hate him the most for predicting failure in Viet Nam are the same people who are today predicting (and cheering) the economic destruction on the United States under Obama.

Whatever the personality defects of some Freepers, Stalinism ultimately lost and the looting and bullying of capitalists does ultimately lead to stagnation.

re: #177 jamgarr

Sounds good. I'll have to check it out.

re: #182 Alan Furman

Whatever the personality defects of some Freepers, Stalinism ultimately lost and the looting and bullying of capitalists does ultimately lead to stagnation.

/no, no, no, it's good that TOTUS does these things, it's real good

re: #169 DEZes

Not reporting what you want to read is far from cheering.

Exactly.

re: #180 reine.de.tout

So, I'm unaware of much "cheerleading" for the economy to fail.

I'm not "cheerleading" for a failed economy; it will recover or not, no matter what I do.

But I do want us, as a nation, to wake up and ask our collective self the same thing I asked myself after I realized I never should have married my ex:

"What the hell was I thinking?"

re: #183 mikalm

Sounds good. I'll have to check it out.

Have you read Ender's Game, etc?

last fall, regardless of the banking bailout, which are mostly, but not all bullshit...a 6mo moritorium on payroll taxes and a freeze on govt spending...abolish the death tax, roll back capital gains to a one digit rate...roll back corproate taxes to some reasonable, competitive level...pump public money into the economy...let GM fall and anyother business that has some dead end contract with unions...BO did none of these things...lauding some natural upsurge in the economy right now is laughable...leave it alone and loosen up money and it will heal itself...BO does not want a healthy economy, he wants our economy controlled by the lunatic donks

There is an asteroid named after Walter Cronkite. 6318 Cronkite

there is a nice soft rain coming down here this evening.

re: #174 victor_yugo

Last fall?!? BO was elected in November, and sworn in in January (a winter month).

winter...it was cold as I recall...my bad

May he rest in peace.

re: #180 reine.de.tout

Unemployment is a lagging indicator. Most of what we're looking at now is the inevitable fallout of things that have been happening for the past 20-30 years. Regardless, the economy will probably improve under Obama's leadership and this will make a lot of people unhappy. The predictions that Obama will destroy the economy, lead us into Marxism, round up his opponents, declare himself dictator, allow Islamists to invade, etc will probably not become reality.

re: #175 Walter L. Newton

There you go with that all inclusive statement, like everyone here fits into your description.

I concur. KT should at least attempt to have enough honesty to provide details rather than vague, sweeping statements designed to impugn all conservatives.
I'm not holding my breath though.

re: #182 Alan Furman

Whatever the personality defects of some Freepers, Stalinism ultimately lost and the looting and bullying of capitalists does ultimately lead to stagnation.

Did you hear Blinky yesterday?

/well, if it turns out we don't need the tax surcharges for socialized medicine, we'll just spend the money on something else, she really said that

re: #186 victor_yugo

The fault lies, in all probability, not with WHAT you were thinking, but rather what you were thinking WITH.

re: #61 Ojoe

Yes-- much.

re: #194 Killgore Trout

Unemployment is a lagging indicator. Most of what we're looking at now is the inevitable fallout of things that have been happening for the past 20-30 years. Regardless, the economy will probably improve under Obama's leadership and this will make a lot of people unhappy. The predictions that Obama will destroy the economy, lead us into Marxism, round up his opponents, declare himself dictator, allow Islamists to invade, etc will probably not become reality.

unemployment is well over 10% in 16 states right now, and rising...this post is just ridiculous...you sound way more paranoid than the people you accuse of paranoia

re: #187 jamgarr

Have you read Ender's Game, etc?

Nope, not really an SF fan.

re: #158 Killian Bundy

International Space Station, still under construction, may be debris by 2016

/we're in full space exploration retreat

Thanks for the link, KB. Looks like we're in retreat, for sure. More's the pity, I say.

re: #194 Killgore Trout
Sheesh. I haven't seen anyone here spouting that crap. What I see is a President and congress hell bent on getting gov't control of as much of everything as they can, just like the EU. Gov't contol over that much of my life IS NOT in the constitution, neither is having 34 czars overseeing things answerable only to the WH.

Since some posters dug down a spinoff about Walter Cronkite, I wrote this, in response:

Yoo,hoo, down-diggers, Walter Cronkite is dead. He deserves respect far more than Michael Jackson, even though Mr. Cronkite probably could not carry a tune.

Mr. Cronkite was a raging liberal, but I will never forget how he broke the news of President Kennedy's death on that terrible day, Nov. 22, 1962.

May Mr. Cronkite rest in peace.We will not be hearing very much about him, certainly not the adulation given to Michael Jackson, ad nauseum.

I stopped watching CBS altogether while he was still the anchorman, but for goodness' sake, if you can't say something nice about someone who has just died? Just keep quiet.

Man, I loved that guy. Started watching him in the 50s on The 20th Century, but he went back a lot farther than that. I came to hate his politics, especially in his latter years when he became a public scold. But there's a lot more to life than politics. There are fewer and fewer giants walking this earth...

re: #194 Killgore Trout

Unemployment is a lagging indicator. Most of what we're looking at now is the inevitable fallout of things that have been happening for the past 20-30 years. Regardless, the economy will probably improve under Obama's leadership and this will make a lot of people unhappy.

I would the absolutely thrilled to death if the economy improves and ends up better than before. I don't think it will happen anytime soon, but I will be completely happy.

The predictions that Obama will destroy the economy, lead us into Marxism, round up his opponents, declare himself dictator, allow Islamists to invade, etc will probably not become reality.

I've never "predicted" any of that stuff. Americans are nothing if not resourceful people, and we will end up being OK. But right now, I'm just not inclined to accept your "probablies", and will wait to see what happens.

re: #201 mikalm

Nope, not really an SF fan.

Read 'em - you won't regret it.

re: #204 NY Nana
Bravo Nana.

re: #207 jamgarr

Read 'em - you won't regret it.

Must agree.

re: #195 SteveRogers

I concur. KT should at least attempt to have enough honesty to provide details rather than vague, sweeping statements designed to impugn all conservatives.
I'm not holding my breath though.

Don't, you'll be disappointed.

re: #187 jamgarr

Have you read Ender's Game, etc?

If you can, get hold of the original self-contained short story.

a criminal tax cheat runs the Treasury...he makes policy...
a criminal tax cheat is chairman of House ways and means...BO sycophants...BO droolers run CA, MI, Mass, NY, NJ...nuance that

re: #197 M. Bensson-Levi

The fault lies, in all probability, not with WHAT you were thinking, but rather what you were thinking WITH.

Other times, you would be correct, but this time I was definitely not thinking with the "wrong" head.

With several years between then and now, I can see clearly how I got into the mess. But without that initial shock (yes, I went into shock when I found out the truth), denial is protracted and healing is delayed.

re: #194 Killgore Trout

Unemployment is a lagging indicator. Most of what we're looking at now is the inevitable fallout of things that have been happening for the past 20-30 years. Regardless, the economy will probably improve under Obama's leadership and this will make a lot of people unhappy. The predictions that Obama will destroy the economy, lead us into Marxism, round up his opponents, declare himself dictator, allow Islamists to invade, etc will probably not become reality.

Probably not? Is that some sort of Killgore Trout Wry Humor, that only liberals can hear?

re: #194 Killgore Trout

Unemployment is a lagging indicator. Most of what we're looking at now is the inevitable fallout of things that have been happening for the past 20-30 years. Regardless, the economy will probably improve under Obama's leadership and this will make a lot of people unhappy. The predictions that Obama will destroy the economy, lead us into Marxism, round up his opponents, declare himself dictator, allow Islamists to invade, etc will probably not become reality.

You may explain the fallout of the last 20 or 30 years, I would like to hear it.
Anyone who would be happy that the economy improved under any administration is in need of serious help.
Regardless, the ground work is being layed, If the economy improves Obama gets Kudos, if it fails, well its simply fallout from the last few decades.
The rest is straw men that are not worth my time.

re: #194 Killgore Trout

More like 40 - 50 years, or more. But I believe the massive spending by the current administration essentially enslaves the most productive people in America and robs them of the necessary conditions for self-sufficiency. And yes, I think that is "by design."

World of Crashes

1:52

CAT !

re: #102 Charles

Speaking as a Christian, there is no excuse for this form of stupidity. Jesus hung with drunks and party animals to minister to them--not berate them.

The person who wrote this is no different than the gays at gay pride parades that fling their sexuality in the faces of all to see-- they are, at their cores, insecure in their faith and beliefs and need to judge and berate others.

As my Lord and Redeemer, the Jewish carpenter said, don't mind the speck in someone else's eye when you have a plank in yours.

None of us knew what was in the heart of Mr. Cronkite-- that was between him and God. That's why Christians call it a "personal" relationship.

Now, back to the news...

re: #207 jamgarr
1st read Enders game as a short story. Need to get the others. Also David Weber has me hooked on Honor Harrington. Damn the man!

re: #211 jvic

If you can, get hold of the original self-contained short story.

What's that?

re: #215 DEZes

You may explain the fallout of the last 20 or 30 years, I would like to hear it.
Anyone who would not be happy that the economy improved under any administration is in need of serious help.
Regardless, the ground work is being layed, If the economy improves Obama gets Kudos, if it fails, well its simply fallout from the last few decades.
The rest is straw men that are not worth my time.

pimf.

re: #163 albusteve

Sorry, it took so long to upding you. I stepped away and I am now trying to catch up.

question for liberals and BO supporters...
why has BO closed the door for a federal bailout of CA?...
think about it

Catch you good folks later. Dinner calls. Thank you for an interesting discussion.

re: #216 Sambo

More like 40 - 50 years, or more. But I believe the massive spending by the current administration essentially enslaves the most productive people in America and robs them of the necessary conditions for self-sufficiency. And yes, I think that is "by design."

Don't worry. KT figures that since Obama doesn't wear a fucking "I heart Lenin" button, he can't possibly be a communist bastard.

why is BO hanging CA out to dry and Boxer and Pelosi play stupid?

re: #224 Sambo

Catch you good folks later. Dinner calls. Thank you for an interesting discussion.

Chow.

re: #226 albusteve

why is BO hanging CA out to dry and Boxer and Pelosi play stupid?

I hadn't heard that. What gives?

re: #226 albusteve

Pelosi's playing stupid?

Why would anyone worry or care what the opinion is of someone that couldn't get off their duff to fore-fill one of what I believe is our most important civic duties: VOTE

re: #226 albusteve

why is BO hanging CA out to dry and Boxer and Pelosi play stupid?

/it'd cost much less than bailing out the car companies

re: #174 victor_yugo

Last fall?!? BO was elected in November, and sworn in in January (a winter month).

Don't remind me! My birthday was forever spoiled...January 20. And I am even angrier now that I was then. I could not imagine that the pain would increase exponentially.

/My brain hurts.

re: #228 LGoPs

I hadn't heard that. What gives?

to do so would admit defeat of the liberal dream...CA is taxing everything in sight while 3000 people a day flee the state...tax tax tax

re: #226 albusteve

why is BO hanging CA out to dry and Boxer and Pelosi play stupid?

I don't think they're playing.

re: #223 albusteve

question for liberals and BO supporters...
why has BO closed the door for a federal bailout of CA?...
think about it

albusteve ... there is more to the back story ... but these people not crazy about Arnold ... and Obama owes them big big time ...

[Link: action.seiu.org...]

re: #226 albusteve

why is BO hanging CA out to dry and Boxer and Pelosi play stupid?

/Boxer isn't acting, she's 20 pounds of stupid in a ten pound bag

re: #231 Killian Bundy

/it'd cost much less than bailing out the car companies

probably...why not give 45m uninsured people a million each...problem solved

re: #220 jamgarr

What's that?

The original 1977 short story novella. Don't know if it's currently in print.

Iirc the book series is good but the story has a concentrated impact that a series can't match. (Unless the author has Tolkienesque gifts.)

re: #237 albusteve

probably...why not give 45m uninsured people a million each...problem solved

/careful with the math there cowboy

re: #236 Killian Bundy

/Boxer isn't acting, she's 20 pounds of stupid in a ten pound bag

That's Senator Boxer. She worked very hard to get that title.
Not.
She actually coasted in on the wave of Anita Hill outrage.

re: #235 JacksonTn

albusteve ... there is more to the back story ... but these people not crazy about Arnold ... and Obama owes them big big time ...

[Link: action.seiu.org...]

that's alot of electorate right there

re: #154 Killgore Trout

There's plenty of cheering. Do you ever see any good economic news posted on "right wing" blogs? They'll only post bad news or doom and gloom predictions about the impending implosion. New home starts rose today higher than expected. Nobody reported that. We had another up week on the market. Nobody reported that. Most economists are reporting that the economy is recovering. Where's the right wing coverage?
Rush Limbaugh's "hoping for failure" is no different than the left's hoping for defeat in Iraq or Viet Nam.

Killgore: As you know, my opinions differ with yours in too many areas to count, but I think you have hit a nail squarely on the head, here. My pet peeve is double standards, of any political persuasion, and this is one of the central ones of our day, IMO.

People on the Right predict disaster if a course of action is taken/not taken, and it's "just telling the truth." People on the Left predict disaster if a course of action is taken/not taken, and it's "cheerleading for defeat!"

I just don't buy that dichotomy. As the old song says, "I may have been born yesterday, but I was up real late last night..."

As far as I can tell, the "cheerleading for defeat" slander is one of the most insidious of Karl Rove's creations, and it has needlessly divided good, patriotic Americans since the first time it was uttered. And will continue to, until somebody is able to point out the double standard in a way that resonates with the public.

re: #236 Killian Bundy

/Boxer isn't acting, she's 20 pounds of stupid in a ten pound bag

trying to make pizza pie out of horse shit...but I like the bag analogy more

FNC is doing an Apollo 11 special, hosted by Greta, oh well.

re: #208 pingjockey

Thank you. It just got to me. To see such a dignified man break down like that? He became all of us.

When I saw what Charles found at Freeper? I nearly puked.

re: #233 albusteve

to do so would admit defeat of the liberal dream...CA is taxing everything in sight while 3000 people a day flee the state...tax tax tax

It would be an interesting play. If Kalifornia collapses it's proof, in living color, that unbridled liberalism is ruinous. If on the other hand the bastard bails Kalifornia out it could camoflauge the damage that's been done. Kinda like bailing out the car companies camoflauges the ruin that the unions have created...

re: #239 Killian Bundy

/careful with the math there cowboy

seething is my forte...

re: #225 LGoPs

Don't worry. KT figures that since Obama doesn't wear a fucking "I heart Lenin" button, he can't possibly be a communist bastard.

This is getting old, If I refuse to line up like a baby duck behind its mother wandering into traffic, I must be cheering for failure.
Where I see most of the cheering from is the left happy to vote their way into my paycheck, and when someone slaps their hands they howl like banshees.
And I am sick and tired of people who have no idea how to pay their bills giving me advise on balancing a budget.

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Yeesh. I also can't help but note the irony that the people who hate him the most for predicting failure in Viet Nam are the same people who are today predicting (and cheering) the economic destruction on the United States under Obama.

He didn't predict the failure in Viet Nam. Instead of reporting the news he began either editorializing it or embellishing it by purposely showing dead and wounded US troops on the evening news. Tet was a success militarily, but was a dismal failure as reported by someone (at the time) who was widely trusted. IMHO he violated the trust Americans had for him. I watched the nightly news as NVA regulars and VC made their way across Viet Nam after the Paris treaties were signed supposedly ending hostilities. I remember when Saigon fell and the rush for people to get to the last helicopters out. Also remember the boat people (work with one today) escaping one hell hole only to find themselves at the mercy of the seas.

As to cheering on the economic destruction of the US, I'm taking part in removing roughly $3,000,000 of production equipment from a factory that just closed for shipment and re-installation to a plant in Canada. Upwards of 500 people are out of work with that plant closing and those skilled jobs will never, ever come back. Sadly the manufacturing base that the US once had is going away. How many burger flippers do you need in a country our size? How many burger flipper jobs pay significantly above minimum wage? How many financial advisors/stock traders do you need? What do they produce that benefits people? Manufacturing made it possible for us to win in WWII. How many textile mills remain in the US? How many tire plants, not tire stores, remain here in the US? How many silicon foundries remain in the US? Our manufacturing base has eroded away and few people even seem to be aware of the significance of that.

RIP Walter.

re: #246 LGoPs

It would be an interesting play. If Kalifornia collapses it's proof, in living color, that unbridled liberalism is ruinous. If on the other hand the bastard bails Kalifornia out it could camoflauge the damage that's been done. Kinda like bailing out the car companies camoflauges the ruin that the unions have created...

yes exactly...it's all a fraud, nearly criminal imo

re: #245 NY Nana
Yeah, I dinged up your comment. Some people have no damn manners.

re: #242 ShanghaiEd

As far as I can tell, the "cheerleading for defeat" slander is one of the most insidious of Karl Rove's creations, and it has needlessly divided good, patriotic Americans since the first time it was uttered. And will continue to, until somebody is able to point out the double standard in a way that resonates with the public.

Nope.

Insidious is letting the likes of Micheal Moore or Sean Penn define what 'patriotic' is...

re: #242 ShanghaiEd

Killgore: As you know, my opinions differ with yours in too many areas to count, but I think you have hit a nail squarely on the head, here. My pet peeve is double standards, of any political persuasion, and this is one of the central ones of our day, IMO.

People on the Right predict disaster if a course of action is taken/not taken, and it's "just telling the truth." People on the Left predict disaster if a course of action is taken/not taken, and it's "cheerleading for defeat!"

I just don't buy that dichotomy. As the old song says, "I may have been born yesterday, but I was up real late last night..."

As far as I can tell, the "cheerleading for defeat" slander is one of the most insidious of Karl Rove's creations, and it has needlessly divided good, patriotic Americans since the first time it was uttered. And will continue to, until somebody is able to point out the double standard in a way that resonates with the public.

SE ... the part of your post in bold above ... that right there shows how you cannot see the truth about progessives/democrats/socialists party ... you think they are sweet angels? ... oh, yeah, Karl Rove was the "first" person to ever do anything like that ... swirl ...

re: #213 victor_yugo

You know, of course, that I was joking. However, we've all been there at one time, or another. We lucky ones had it happen before we married.

I remember sitting with a woman that I had been jilted by, and was crazy about, years after the fact, as the result of a chance meeting. An awful lot of water had passed under the bridge. We were having coffee, and as I listened to her prattle on about this or that nonsense, I found myself thinking, "What an incredibly shallow dink! What the hell did I ever see in you?" It was great, like driving a stake trough a vampire's heart.

Like I said, we've all been there. Glad you're over it.

re: #249 Perplexed

nice post

re: #246 LGoPs

If Kalifornia collapses it's proof, in living color, that unbridled liberalism is ruinous. If on the other hand the bastard bails Kalifornia out it could camoflauge the damage that's been done.

Or it would just bring the punishment of Kommunism to the doorstep of every household in the USA.

Socialism doesn't spread the happiness. It just makes sure everyone's equally miserable.

re: #253 JacksonTn

history started in November 2000...fact

re: #251 pingjockey

Yeah, I dinged up your comment. Some people have no damn manners.

Someone dug me down? I must be doing something right!

Thanks again!

re: #242 ShanghaiEd

Yeah, he hit the nail on the head alright.
Yours.

re: #245 NY Nana

Thank you. It just got to me. To see such a dignified man break down like that? He became all of us.

When I saw what Charles found at Freeper? I nearly puked.

Thank you for posting that video.

re: #255 albusteve

nice post

Thank you. Both of those issues are near and dear to me.

re: #224 Sambo

Catch you good folks later. Dinner calls. Thank you for an interesting discussion.

Take care, Sambo. Always a pleasure.

re: #229 Fenway_Nation

Pelosi's playing stupid?

If true, she's the greatest method actor since Brando.

re: #263 calcajun

And we're all her captive audience.

/hooray for 'San Francisco values'!