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Clown Court

Video | Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 5:57:58 pm PDT

If you have any lurking clown-related phobias, this video clip from the new BBC series Psychoville is definitely not going to help.

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1 rightside  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 5:58:52pm

Judiciary committee hearing?

2 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 5:59:19pm

re: #1 rightside

Judiciary committee hearing?

I thought it might be the NY State Senate?

3 EmmmieG  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 5:59:32pm

I spent a very pleasant day speaking with Nazis.

(Before you downding, this is part I)

4 rightside  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 5:59:47pm

re: #2 Nevergiveup

Prolly 9th circuit.

5 BignJames  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 5:59:48pm

Sonia? Is that you?

6 Nevergiveup  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:00:12pm

re: #3 EmmmieG

I spent a very pleasant day speaking with Nazis.

(Before you downding, this is part I)

What's part 2 a day with hamas?
/

7 freedombilly  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:01:13pm

The Simpsons where Homer goes to clown college is one of the classics.

8 solomonpanting  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:01:21pm

The US has had this show for many years. Here it's called C-SPAN.

9 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:01:53pm

A day at the UN.

10 Pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:02:07pm

That's just creepy. Clowns never bothered me until it came out that Gacy was a clown -- after that I never looked at a clown the same way again.

11 Last Mohican  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:02:39pm

re: #3 EmmmieG

I spent a very pleasant day speaking with Nazis.

(Before you downding, this is part I)

I'm listening...

12 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:02:51pm

that was a very clever vid...thanks Charles....I loved it

13 Thanos  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:04:05pm

Clowns. Scary.

14 Pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:04:44pm

re: #1 rightside

Judiciary committee hearing?

Last week's Meet the Press.

15 freedombilly  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:05:24pm

I swear I saw Pelosi at around the 1:00 mark.

16 Charles  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:05:34pm

When the clown wakes up at the end it gets really scary.

17 EmmmieG  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:06:31pm

Part II--

We went out to Fort Stevens today for the WWII reenactment. It was fun, but over quickly. The Allies won. (Actually, a true Fort Stevens reenactment would be to have a Japanese sub surface off-short and launch artillary at the base, but I doubt there are any reenactors wealthy enough to own surplus Japanese subs.)

We walked around afterwards and looked at all of their stuff. The Germans had taken over one of the old concrete bunker and set up shop. It was quite impressive. They had cooked a mess and were going to eat on tableclothes. Somebody had brought in some old posters (nothing too offensive). A very nice gentlemen with a replica of a German army motorbike let my boys climb all over it, making them very happy.

The allies were in a tent village below. They were eating rations from a can (however, as the granddaughter of an American soldier, I must root for them.) One reenactor had collected every or close to every rifle or handgun issued to the soldiers. Another had the entire kit of a paratrooper. Lots of jeeps (no touchy, though.)

The Germans did have a sign up explaining that they had taken to portray Germans because someone had to, or there would be no reenactment. They had been an Allied group, but switched because there weren't enough Germans to have reenactments. They also made it very clear they disavowed all Nazi philosophy.

Fun day.

18 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:06:32pm

re: #10 Pianobuff

That's just creepy. Clowns never bothered me until it came out that Gacy was a clown -- after that I never looked at a clown the same way again.

ARGH! That needed an alert! EWWW How do I UN-THINK an image!

19 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:06:41pm

The joys of Sharia.

20 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:07:09pm

The biggest clown of all, and the joke's on us.

Squeaker of the Louse.

21 Sharmuta  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:07:58pm

That seemed to work.

22 rightside  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:08:13pm

re: #20 jcm

Holy shit! I am going to have nightmares now!

23 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:08:38pm

re: #17 EmmmieG

Love it at Ft. Stevens, was camping there a year ago with my sister and her family.

24 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:09:04pm

re: #13 Thanos

loved your last entry on your blog...waiting for more

25 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:09:17pm

re: #20 jcm

The biggest clown of all, and the joke's on us.

Squeaker of the Louse.

An improvement.

26 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:09:40pm

re: #22 rightside

Holy shit! I am going to have nightmares now!

Two heart beats from the Presidency.....

I'm having night terrors!

27 freedombilly  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:10:13pm

re: #20 jcm

The biggest clown of all, and the joke's on us.

Squeaker of the Louse.

NICE!

What is your phone number so I can call you in the middle of the night when I can't sleep?!?

28 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:10:32pm

re: #20 jcm

The biggest clown of all, and the joke's on us.

Squeaker of the Louse.

good lord....where's your respect!

29 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:10:36pm
30 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:12:17pm

i think the photo of soto on the side bar fits right in the video--AAARRGGHHH

31 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:12:38pm

re: #29 IslandLibertarian

clowns............can only handle certain ones..........

That tickles my funny bone......

32 Sharmuta  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:12:52pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

The joys of Sharia.

LOL!

33 rightside  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:13:19pm

re: #31 jcm

Is that what they're calling them these days?

34 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:13:32pm
35 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:14:09pm

re: #31 jcm

That tickles my funny bone......

only your funny bone???? no other bone??

36 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:14:46pm

clown music....

37 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:14:57pm

re: #32 Sharmuta

I actually did a quick google to see if the RoP was seething over the episode. I wouldn't have been surprised but nobody seems to have complained.

38 jones  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:15:56pm

In a better world, I would have been a clown. Road not taken and all.
Or a shepherd.

I had some practical career desires.

39 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:16:57pm

re: #16 Charles

When the clown wakes up at the end it gets really scary.

The old shaving cream trick, tickling the nose thing probably wouldn't have gone over well.

40 jones  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:17:21pm

I recommend "He, Who Gets Slapped" to anyone who likes films.

The pinnacle of clown/science fusion films.

41 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:17:34pm

re: #38 jones

In a better world, I would have been a clown. Road not taken and all.
Or a shepherd.

I had some practical career desires.

i always wanted to be a drummer in a rock band, since now that is not possible, i want to be a tamborine player for the rolling stones. i still have hope.

42 Pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:19:00pm

re: #41 mikeymom

i always wanted to be a drummer in a rock band, since now that is not possible, i want to be a tamborine player for the rolling stones. i still have hope.

Reminds me of the Steven Wright bit where he introduces himself as a Jewish cowboy..... Bucky Goldstein.

43 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:19:18pm

re: #41 mikeymom

i always wanted to be a drummer in a rock band, since now that is not possible, i want to be a tamborine player for the rolling stones. i still have hope.

I wanted to play cowbell for BOC.

/not gonna happen

44 jones  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:19:26pm

I'm rooting for you.

re: #41 mikeymom

i always wanted to be a drummer in a rock band, since now that is not possible, i want to be a tamborine player for the rolling stones. i still have hope.

45 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:19:45pm

re: #42 Pianobuff

Reminds me of the Steven Wright bit where he introduces himself as a Jewish cowboy..... Bucky Goldstein.


heh--

46 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:20:09pm

my last wife...every Halloween she would drag out her clown stuff from her childrens theater years...spend a couple hours getting ready and mime her way (mostly) through the evening....we has a lot of kids come by where we lived...she would go out in front and perform while handing out candy...parents and kids would pile up to watch her and take pictures and vids...twenty thirty people...man, I love that woman

47 Thanos  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:20:14pm

Creepy dancing clown

again:

clown. scary.

48 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:21:44pm

littlegreenfootballs.com...] target="_blank">

49 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:22:16pm

i am of the woodstock generation--we lived 50 miles from there-hubby would not take me-i still hold it against him after 42 yrs of marriage--(and sometimes he still rubs back!)

50 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:22:31pm

re: #41 mikeymom

i always wanted to be a drummer in a rock band, since now that is not possible, i want to be a tamborine player for the rolling stones. i still have hope.

don't hold your breath...(I've had a similar fantasy)

51 VegasRick  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:23:31pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

I actually did a quick google to see if the RoP was seething over the episode. I wouldn't have been surprised but nobody seems to have complained.

Why would the RoPers be upset?

52 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:23:40pm

re: #49 mikeymom

i am of the woodstock generation--we lived 50 miles from there-hubby would not take me-i still hold it against him after 42 yrs of marriage--(and sometimes he still rubs back!)

the movie was better....

53 Bobibutu  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:24:08pm

When my sisters and I were kids - 40s - G'ma would hire a puppeteer who did Punch and Judy shows at our birthday parties.

What a flashback - Punch was the puppet with the axe in the video.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Quite a deep psych punch.

54 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:24:10pm

re: #50 albusteve

don't hold your breath...(I've had a similar fantasy)


you dream killer you!!! im still hot and sexy--oh wait-nver mind

55 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:24:13pm

re: #48 jcm

Try again...

Thread back #95

56 Sharmuta  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:24:25pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

I actually did a quick google to see if the RoP was seething over the episode. I wouldn't have been surprised but nobody seems to have complained.

You might be the only one who has noticed the similarity. The creepy clowns really work at distracting from the metaphor.

57 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:24:41pm

/Coulrophobia

58 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:25:04pm

re: #52 albusteve

the movie was better....

i still have the 3 vinyl set--sigh

59 jaunte  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:25:12pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

I guess they don't think of themselves as clowns.

60 Gella  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:25:23pm

re: #57 Killian Bundy


thats just scaryyyyyyyy ........................

61 HelloDare  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:26:16pm

Creeping sharia is creepier.

62 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:26:42pm

re: #60 Gella

clowns are not scary-spiders are-hubby just replaced the sticky traps in basement today-OMG

63 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:27:24pm

Well, I think this song is obligatory:

64 Gella  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:27:47pm

re: #62 mikeymom

clowns are not scary-spiders are-hubby just replaced the sticky traps in basement today-OMG

spiders are grossing me out :(

65 wiffersnapper  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:27:49pm

I hear Wakko Warner has some serious clownophobia

66 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:27:50pm

/coild be worse

67 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:28:15pm

re: #51 VegasRick

Why would the RoPers be upset?

I'm pretty sure it's a commentary on Sharia: A nightmarish farcical proceeding where they cut off your hand for stealing. Note that the puppet accuses the clown of stealing his act and they cut off his hand as punishment. That's sharia.

68 HelloDare  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:28:24pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

I actually did a quick google to see if the RoP was seething over the episode. I wouldn't have been surprised but nobody seems to have complained.

If one of the clown has a red beard, maybe they would have made the connection.

69 Gella  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:28:48pm

re: #66 Killian Bundy

here is the list pick one
[Link: www.phobialist.com...]

Clothing- Vestiphobia.

70 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:28:57pm

re: #64 Gella

spiders are grossing me out :(

Combine the two....
Spider Clown....

71 HelloDare  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:29:51pm

re: #69 Gella

here is the list pick one
[Link: www.phobialist.com...]

Clothing- Vestiphobia.

No thanks. I have a fear of lists.

72 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:29:55pm

re: #70 jcm

Combine the two....
Spider Clown....

i refuse to click on that--you will burn

74 Gella  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:30:27pm

phobia of Work- Ergophobia or Ponophobia.

75 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:30:29pm

re: #54 mikeymom

you dream killer you!!! im still hot and sexy--oh wait-nver mind

I know millionaires who have road tripped with the Stones....getting anywhere near the stage is strictly forbidden (especially?) even if you are a major star....Mick Jagger is ferociously protective of his space, even back into the darkest shadows...**but there I was...trading licks with Kieth and Woody!**

76 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:31:12pm

re: #73 SasquatchOnSteroids

Kuroshio Sea - 2nd largest aquarium tank in the world

Gorgeous

Watch in HD and full screen people, it's worth it.

77 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:31:55pm

re: #72 mikeymom

i refuse to click on that--you will burn

*innocent look*

*whistling*

Huh? Who? Me?

78 VegasRick  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:32:06pm

re: #67 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure it's a commentary on Sharia: A nightmarish farcical proceeding where they cut off your hand for stealing. Note that the puppet accuses the clown of stealing his act and they cut off his hand as punishment. That's sharia.

Very good! I did not make the connection. I do see it now.

79 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:32:14pm

re: #75 albusteve

I know millionaires who have road tripped with the Stones....getting anywhere near the stage is strictly forbidden (especially?) even if you are a major star....Mick Jagger is ferociously protective of his space, even back into the darkest shadows...**but there I was...trading licks with Kieth and Woody!**

yeah but- one look at me and he will swoon-you dont know me-

80 Thanos  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:33:55pm

re: #70 jcm

Combine the two....
Spider Clown....

Then of course there is the clown spider.

81 jones  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:34:55pm
82 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:35:19pm

re: #76 jcm

Watch in HD and full screen people, it's worth it.

As one of the divers, it would be creepy to get pooped on in there. At least there are no flying birds as big as a whale out here in the woods.

83 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:35:20pm

re: #76 jcm

oooh, that is cool. It does remind me that I'm pretty sure Mr. Goldfish has finally been eated after 8 or 9 years. He was one of those fancy goldfish you buy in pet stores and he survived freezing winters, countless raccoon and heron raids and water quality problems that no other fish could survive. Had a raccoon raid last week and haven't seen him since. I hope he was delicious.

84 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:35:33pm

re: #80 Thanos

Then of course there is the clown spider.

AAARRRRGGGHHHHHH!

*Throws laptop out the window*

//////////

85 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:35:36pm

re: #79 mikeymom

yeah but- one look at me and he will swoon-you dont know me-

well that it right there...of course you know his sexual perversions were bibical...any woman seen or associated with him is considered complicit...go for it!

86 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:36:07pm

re: #80 Thanos

daamn you! i clicked--if any mentiones a wolf spider, i will well-not like you. STOP mow with the spiders.

87 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:37:46pm

re: #85 albusteve

well that it right there...of course you know his sexual perversions were bibical...any woman seen or associated with him is considered complicit...go for it!

wtf does that mean?

88 tradewind  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:38:13pm

These clowns should be eaten slowly by a thousand wolf spiders. This is not freaking human.....and Obama wants to chat??
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

89 VegasRick  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:38:19pm

re: #86 mikeymom

daamn you! i clicked--if any mentiones a wolf spider, i will well-not like you. STOP mow with the spiders.

I am going to Recluse myself from comment.

90 mikalm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:38:56pm

If those clowns didn't scare you enough, here's a real San Francisco Treat: Ouchy the S&M Clown!

91 Sharmuta  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:39:06pm

re: #67 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure it's a commentary on Sharia: A nightmarish farcical proceeding where they cut off your hand for stealing. Note that the puppet accuses the clown of stealing his act and they cut off his hand as punishment. That's sharia.

I'm telling you- the clowns are effective masks to hide the metaphor. The endless possibilities for social commentary by effectively using theatre to conceal parables has been known for centuries. The Greeks knew this to be true...

92 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:39:10pm

re: #88 tradewind

These clowns should be eaten slowly by a thousand wolf spiders. This is not freaking human.....and Obama wants to chat??
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

i will not open that and i dont think i like you

93 Cathypop  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:39:39pm

re: #76 jcm
I just want to sit in front of it and watch for hours!

94 HelloDare  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:39:39pm

re: #76 jcm

Watch in HD and full screen people, it's worth it.

Holly Crap. Imagine how big that little box of fish food must be.

95 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:40:14pm

re: #87 mikeymom

wtf does that mean?

exactly what it says....altho I'm sure he has cooled off over the years

96 Thanos  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:40:45pm

re: #84 jcm

AAARRRRGGGHHHHHH!

*Throws laptop out the window*

//////////

They jump.

97 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:41:10pm

re: #89 VegasRick

I am going to Recluse myself from comment.

Trying to Funnel this into a pun thread?

98 tradewind  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:41:14pm

re: #92 mikeymom

Whatev.....

99 VegasRick  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:42:04pm

re: #97 jcm

Trying to Funnel this into a pun thread?

Never!
/

100 jaunte  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:42:12pm

re: #91 Sharmuta

It's effective disguise for social commentary. No one thinks the clown act is about them. "Those other guys are some clowns, huh."

101 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:42:14pm

Common North American Spiders.

Lot's of beautiful images of spiders.

102 lurking faith  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:42:19pm

re: #94 HelloDare

Holly Crap. Imagine how big that little box of fish food must be.


lol
Did you notice the divers wandering around on the aquarium floor?

103 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:42:34pm

re: #98 tradewind

you KNOW that was a joke son

104 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:43:13pm

BBIAB hubby has dinner ready

105 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:43:18pm

re: #91 Sharmuta

I'm telling you- the clowns are effective masks to hide the metaphor. The endless possibilities for social commentary by effectively using theatre to conceal parables has been known for centuries. The Greeks knew this to be true...

I think you're right. This kind of commentary, especially in the UK, is very tricky. The clowns made a nice distraction for the metaphor.

106 mikalm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:44:07pm

re: #101 jcm

Actually, I like spiders and never kill them. If I find one in my flat, I just capture him in a cup, and take him outside.

107 Cathypop  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:44:33pm

A guy doing some repairs under my house got bit by a recluse spider. Major ouch. Never goes anywhere without bug spray.

108 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:44:45pm

re: #102 lurking faith

lol
Did you notice the divers wandering around on the aquarium floor?

I like all the tourist taking flash pictures. The tank is well lighted, they are in the dark, a flash they're going to get reflections.

109 VegasRick  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:45:39pm

re: #106 mikalm

Actually, I like spiders and never kill them. If I find one in my flat, I just capture him in a cup, and take him outside.

I do the same thing............and then I STOMP ON THE DAMN THING!

110 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:46:51pm

re: #108 jcm

I like all the tourist taking flash pictures. The tank is well lighted, they are in the dark, a flash they're going to get reflections.

That might very well get added to my "to do" list.
Absolutely stunning.

111 zombie  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:46:59pm

After Sotomayor and about two or three more Obama appointments, that is what a session of the Supreme Court is going to look like.

112 mikalm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:47:00pm

re: #109 VegasRick

I do the same thing............and then I STOMP ON THE DAMN THING!

Not me. The arachnids & I have a common enemy/prey: flies and insects.

113 tradewind  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:47:02pm

The only good video containing a clown is the one where the little baby on the e-trade commercial lipsyncs about hiring a clown with all his profit and adds... ' I kind of underestimated the creep factor'........

114 tradewind  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:47:52pm

re: #112 mikalm

You might want to check for a fiddle-shaped marking on the abdomen next time before showing all that mercy......

115 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:47:55pm

re: #106 mikalm

Actually, I like spiders and never kill them. If I find one in my flat, I just capture him in a cup, and take him outside.

I do the same thing, they keep other bugs down.

116 Shug  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:48:22pm

turn that clown upside down

117 tradewind  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:48:51pm

re: #111 zombie

I figure Soto for Souter is a wash.
It's who's on deck that creeps me out.

118 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:49:03pm

re: #111 zombie

After Sotomayor and about two or three more Obama appointments, that is what a session of the Supreme Court is going to look like.

Congress already looks like a clown convention.

119 mikalm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:49:09pm

re: #114 tradewind

You might want to check for a fiddle-shaped marking on the abdomen next time before showing all that mercy......

I suppose I could make an exception for violin spiders and black widows, but I've never seen one inside my dwelling space. They tend to hang out more in garages, basements, crawlspaces, etc.

120 VegasRick  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:49:09pm

re: #115 jcm

I do the same thing, they keep other bugs down.



Repression man!

121 Cathypop  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:49:26pm

re: #106 mikalm
Would you do the same for a scorpion? If yes I will send some to you. I have plenty around my house along with torantulas. What is your addresssssss?

122 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:49:44pm

re: #120 VegasRick


Repression man!

Yeah, I'll admit it.

I'm a bugist.

123 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:50:21pm

re: #115 jcm

I do the same thing, they keep other bugs down.

I have all kinds of critters coming and going...spiders too, I don't pay much attention

124 HelloDare  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:50:25pm

If a fear of the moon is selenophobia and a fear of bats is chiroptophobia, then I guess a fear of moonbats is selenochiroptophobia.

125 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:51:28pm

re: #81 jones

his gaze as she prepares to sew on the heart..........how many of us guys know exactly how he feels?

/can't we just be friends? (where would you like the bullet to the brain? right or left temple?)

126 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:51:32pm

Oh dear. It certainly is very...European.

So, here's a video of a Canadian:

Truly, it is not easy being green...

127 mikalm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:51:43pm

re: #121 Cathypop

Scorpions also can be excepted. Although I'd feel bad about killing one since that's my astrological symbol.

As for tarantulas: I've always heard that the U.S. species aren't poisonous -- just incredibly ugly and creepy.

128 tradewind  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:52:07pm

re: #124 HelloDare

Another term for fear of moonbats is common sense.

129 mikalm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:53:17pm

Who here hates arachnids yet enjoys eating lobster & crab -- the spiders of the ocean?

130 jaunte  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:53:50pm

Another creepy clown photo:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

131 mikalm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:54:02pm

re: #124 HelloDare

For me, "fear" isn't the word. "Contempt" and "disgust" are far closer.

132 JEA62  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:54:07pm

Don't have a phobia about clowns, but some of them are definitely creepy, and I can certainly understand people who do have a phobia about them.

133 Cathypop  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:55:16pm

re: #127 mikalm
Keep your fingers crossed that you never get stung by your astrological symbol. Tarantulas I don't mind but they make my grand son scream like a little girl.

134 HelloDare  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:55:23pm

re: #131 mikalm

For me, "fear" isn't the word. "Contempt" and "disgust" are far closer.

I fear what they will do. In that sense, I'm selenochiroptophobic.

135 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:55:28pm

re: #128 tradewind

Another term for fear of moonbats is common sense.

From The Bible, Proverbs, Chapter 1, Verse 7:" The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline".

136 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:56:49pm

any fear of bugs is ridiculous...take drugs or whatever and get over it

137 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:57:29pm

re: #129 mikalm

Who here hates arachnids yet enjoys eating lobster & crab -- the spiders of the ocean?

Well, the crab may be the spider of the ocean, I'll grant you that. The lobster, on the other clawhand, is the scorpion of the sea, just without a stinger, and the tail curls the wrong way.
/Next topic, teh sea kittehs!

138 HelloDare  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:58:06pm

I heard the Ringling Bros and Barnum & Bailey Clown College gave Joe Biden an honorary red nose.

139 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:58:37pm

I didn't know this until just recently, but when she was a kid, my daughter had a huge fear of clowns, thought they were very creepy. She had a clown in her stuffed-toy collection that I would always put at the top of the pile, only to find it buried at the bottom later, and so I'd move it to the top, etc. It was just recently that she told me that she was trying to get the thing out of her sight.

140 sngnsgt  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:59:37pm

re: #138 HelloDare

I heard the Ringling Bros and Barnum & Bailey Clown College gave Joe Biden an honorary red nose.

So that's where Slick Willy got his... /

141 mikalm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:59:42pm

re: #133 Cathypop

Yes, I've heard their venom is very nasty.

I have a pendant made of a real scorpion encased in lucite, and backed with glow-in-the-dark material. It definitely creeps people out at parties!

142 Bobblehead  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 6:59:42pm

re: #73 SasquatchOnSteroids

Kuroshio Sea - 2nd largest aquarium tank in the world

Gorgeous

Wow..that was beautiful

143 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:00:00pm

re: #138 HelloDare

I heard the Ringling Bros and Barnum & Bailey Clown College gave Joe Biden an honorary red nose.

After three Washington DC cocktail parties, he develops his own.
Now, don't any of you Lizards get on me for starting a sentence with a PREPOSITION!

144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:00:01pm

Can't sleep. Clowns'll eat me.
Can't sleep. Clowns'll eat me.
Can't sleep. Clowns'll eat me.
Can't sleep. Clowns'll eat me.

145 pbird  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:00:10pm

re: #84 jcm

AAARRRRGGGHHHHHH!

*Throws laptop out the window*

//////////

I do not understand that spider thing. WTF?

146 mikalm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:00:19pm

re: #137 NelsFree

Well, the crab may be the spider of the ocean, I'll grant you that. The lobster, on the other clawhand, is the scorpion of the sea, just without a stinger, and the tail curls the wrong way.
/Next topic, teh sea kittehs!

And of course shrimp are sea worms!

147 HelloDare  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:00:28pm

re: #140 sngnsgt

So that's where Slick Willy got his... /

No he got the coveted Seltzer Down The Pants Award.

148 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:01:36pm

re: #146 mikalm

And of course shrimp are sea worms!

Think about this.
If lobster and crab lived on dry land, would you eat them?

149 VegasRick  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:02:19pm

re: #138 HelloDare

I heard the Ringling Bros and Barnum & Bailey Clown College gave Joe Biden an honorary red nose.

He earned that red nose!
*Think - "The Villages".

150 SummerSong  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:02:27pm

I don't like clowns..or puppets. Maybe I liked LambChop, a little...

151 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:04:02pm

re: #148 IslandLibertarian

Think about this.
If lobster and crab lived on dry land, would you eat them?

vast herds of giant lobster, grazing on the endless prairie...delicious

152 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:04:36pm

re: #150 SummerSong

I don't like clowns..or puppets. Maybe I liked LambChop, a little...

I liked Homey the Clown on In Living Color.

My kind of clown.

153 mikalm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:05:00pm

re: #148 IslandLibertarian

Think about this.
If lobster and crab lived on dry land, would you eat them?

Or fish, for that matter.

154 David Simon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:05:16pm

re: #139 reine.de.tout

I didn't know this until just recently, but when she was a kid, my daughter had a huge fear of clowns, thought they were very creepy. She had a clown in her stuffed-toy collection that I would always put at the top of the pile, only to find it buried at the bottom later, and so I'd move it to the top, etc. It was just recently that she told me that she was trying to get the thing out of her sight.

This is what did it for me:

[Link: www.prairieghosts.com...]

I was a teenager and I was hitchhiking during the time he was picking up his victims. shiver

155 JacksonTn  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:05:23pm

re: #148 IslandLibertarian

Think about this.
If lobster and crab lived on dry land, would you eat them?

IL ... yes ...

156 Perplexed  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:06:11pm

re: #1 rightside

Judiciary committee hearing?

Nope, just family and friends of another group of clowns, the insane clown posse.

157 mikalm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:06:14pm

re: #151 albusteve

vast herds of giant lobster, grazing on the endless prairie...delicious

What about Rocky Mountain Oysters?

158 HelloDare  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:06:20pm

re: #150 SummerSong

I don't like clowns..or puppets. Maybe I liked LambChop, a little...

Here's one that hates you, too.

159 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:06:29pm

re: #148 IslandLibertarian

Think about this.
If lobster and crab lived on dry land, would you eat them?

Hell

Yeah.

160 Truck Monkey  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:06:32pm

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can't sleep. Clowns'll eat me.
Can't sleep. Clowns'll eat me.
Can't sleep. Clowns'll eat me.
Can't sleep. Clowns'll eat me.

Clowns scare the ever lovin' horsesqueeze out of me. I will now be up all night.

161 shiplord kirel  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:06:52pm

Shitty product updates

I just tore 10 sets of nearly new venetian blinds out of my newly purchased rent house and threw them in the dumpster. The reason? There is no apparent way to make them come down once they are up. If you pull on one little cord, they go up. Pull on the other one, they go up. Pull on both at the same time, they go up. The previous owner said you just have to jiggle with them for a while, the key to all technical operations in Lubbock. I don't think that is good enough. This junk was made by "Beautiful Window Enterprises" of Tangsha Taiwan and is sold by Wally World and unscrupulous retailers throughout the land.

The other garbage that has hit the can is the infamous Firefox browser, which can take as long as 20 minutes to re-start after an unexpected shutdown (and up to five minutes normally) and which has the slowest scroll rate known to man. It apparently re-loads everything that was on it when it shut down, and only then does it ask you if you want to return to the previous configuration. Monopolosoft Internet Exploder actually loads faster, which is the most damning criticism I could imagine. I suppose I'll give Safari another try. I like the Opera browser but it is unacceptable because of an unbelievably stupid oversight by the designers: the scroll bar is nearly invisible and no possible combination of graphics will make it any better.

162 zombie  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:07:25pm

I was hoping for 10,000 -- but I've already exceeded it!

A current Google Blog Search for "Holdren" AND "abortion" -- which should bring up every (but only those) posts related to his "Ecoscience" statements -- now returns 14,159 results.

Which means that about 14,000 blogs have covered the story. However, only about half of them link to me or mention me directly. Still, not bad. Though aside from several mentions on Fox and radio shows like Rush and Beck, it still hasn't penetrated the MSM too much.

163 JacksonTn  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:07:28pm

re: #160 Truck Monkey

Clowns scare the ever lovin' horsesqueeze out of me. I will now be up all night.

TM ... lol ... I have never ever heard of horsesqueeze ... what is it? ...

164 shiplord kirel  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:07:36pm

Oh yeah, get the hell off of my lawn while you're at it!
/

165 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:07:38pm

re: #154 David Simon

This is what did it for me:

[Link: www.prairieghosts.com...]

I was a teenager and I was hitchhiking during the time he was picking up his victims. shiver

That just really gave me the creeps.

166 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:07:51pm

re: #160 Truck Monkey

Clowns scare the ever lovin' horsesqueeze out of me. I will now be up all night.

Big upding for Horsesqueeze.

LMAO.

167 lurking faith  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:07:53pm

re: #127 mikalm

As for tarantulas: I've always heard that the U.S. species aren't poisonous -- just incredibly ugly and creepy.

I think they're venomous, just not deadly. To an adult-sized person, anyway. But you would still want to seek medical help if one bit you.

At least, that's what I was taught.

168 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:08:30pm

re: #157 mikalm

What about Rocky Mountain Oysters?

I've eaten my share...much like gizzards or any other organ...I love calves liver

169 Perplexed  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:08:51pm

IT was probably one of the most frightening books I've read in a long time. Sort of made me want to look under the bed...

170 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:09:05pm

re: #161 shiplord kirel

Shitty product updates

I just tore 10 sets of nearly new venetian blinds out of my newly purchased rent house and threw them in the dumpster. The reason? There is no apparent way to make them come down once they are up. If you pull on one little cord, they go up. Pull on the other one, they go up. Pull on both at the same time, they go up. The previous owner said you just have to jiggle with them for a while, the key to all technical operations in Lubbock. I don't think that is good enough. This junk was made by "Beautiful Window Enterprises" of Tangsha Taiwan and is sold by Wally World and unscrupulous retailers throughout the land.

The other garbage that has hit the can is the infamous Firefox browser, which can take as long as 20 minutes to re-start after an unexpected shutdown (and up to five minutes normally) and which has the slowest scroll rate known to man. It apparently re-loads everything that was on it when it shut down, and only then does it ask you if you want to return to the previous configuration. Monopolosoft Internet Exploder actually loads faster, which is the most damning criticism I could imagine. I suppose I'll give Safari another try. I like the Opera browser but it is unacceptable because of an unbelievably stupid oversight by the designers: the scroll bar is nearly invisible and no possible combination of graphics will make it any better.

I've been using Google Chrome for quite some time and like it.
I will never again put firefox on a computer I own.

171 pbird  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:09:29pm

re: #161 shiplord kirel

Shitty product updates

I just tore 10 sets of nearly new venetian blinds out of my newly purchased rent house and threw them in the dumpster. The reason? There is no apparent way to make them come down once they are up. If you pull on one little cord, they go up. Pull on the other one, they go up. Pull on both at the same time, they go up. The previous owner said you just have to jiggle with them for a while, the key to all technical operations in Lubbock. I don't think that is good enough. This junk was made by "Beautiful Window Enterprises" of Tangsha Taiwan and is sold by Wally World and unscrupulous retailers throughout the land.

The other garbage that has hit the can is the infamous Firefox browser, which can take as long as 20 minutes to re-start after an unexpected shutdown (and up to five minutes normally) and which has the slowest scroll rate known to man. It apparently re-loads everything that was on it when it shut down, and only then does it ask you if you want to return to the previous configuration. Monopolosoft Internet Exploder actually loads faster, which is the most damning criticism I could imagine. I suppose I'll give Safari another try. I like the Opera browser but it is unacceptable because of an unbelievably stupid oversight by the designers: the scroll bar is nearly invisible and no possible combination of graphics will make it any better.

Ain't neither. I can see it just fine. Pick another skin fer pete's sake.

172 mikalm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:09:42pm

re: #167 lurking faith

I think they're venomous, just not deadly. To an adult-sized person, anyway. But you would still want to seek medical help if one bit you.

At least, that's what I was taught.

Sort of like how you'd need to see a doctor if you got bit by a non-poisonous snake, since there's still all sorts of crap in their mouths that could cause bad infections.

173 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:10:02pm

re: #161 shiplord kirel

have a beer amigo

174 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:11:07pm
175 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:12:05pm

re: #173 albusteve

have a beer amigo

Got a nice one this evening.....
Raison D'Etre

*passes one down*

176 zombie  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:12:31pm

re: #161 shiplord kirel

Give Safari another try. I've tried them all but always come back to Safari. It's not perfect, but it's currently the best.

(My original favorite was Mosaic, back when I first learned of the Web, but they don't make that any more. Mosaic, probably more than any other piece of software, totally blew my mind. You could connect to other computers! Unbelievable! Plus, it was fast as hell, in 1993 terms.)

177 tradewind  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:12:54pm

re: #149 VegasRick

Joe Biden has a brown nose.

178 mikalm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:13:40pm

re: #168 albusteve

I've eaten my share...much like gizzards or any other organ...I love calves liver

Never had 'em myself. I suppose one of these years I'll need to visit The Testicle Festival in Montana and try a pair as part of that whole Cowboy-Mardi-Gras experience....

179 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:14:30pm

JacksonTn SasquatchOnSteroids albusteve
so if and when the shit hits the fan, you'll have no problem surviving on bugs?.......I've figured that would be an acceptable source of protein.

180 shiplord kirel  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:15:09pm

re: #170 reine.de.tout

I've been using Google Chrome for quite some time and like it.
I will never again put firefox on a computer I own.

But but Google is evil! Oh, well, so are the Chi-Com slave labor factories but I'll bet their venetian blinds work better than the free Taiwanese versions I just dumped. I can get both and have a whole set of diabolical but competently produced products.

181 JacksonTn  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:15:28pm

re: #179 IslandLibertarian

JacksonTn SasquatchOnSteroids albusteve
so if and when the shit hits the fan, you'll have no problem surviving on bugs?.......I've figured that would be an acceptable source of protein.

IL ... no ... no problem at all ... hey you gotta eat ...

182 tradewind  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:15:51pm

re: #179 IslandLibertarian

....crickets......

183 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:16:28pm

re: #179 IslandLibertarian

JacksonTn SasquatchOnSteroids albusteve
so if and when the shit hits the fan, you'll have no problem surviving on bugs?.......I've figured that would be an acceptable source of protein.

Nope. Stocking up on Hersheys Chocolate Syrup for dessert.

184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:16:44pm

re: #152 SasquatchOnSteroids

I liked Homey the Clown on In Living Color.

My kind of clown.

"Homey don't play that!"

185 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:16:57pm

re: #175 jcm

Got a nice one this evening.....
Raison D'Etre

*passes one down*

too expensive...I drink for effect...but I have cool hair!

186 mikalm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:17:10pm

Gotta run, Lizards. See y'all later.

187 zombie  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:17:16pm

Send in the Clowns...

...don't bother, they're here.

188 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:17:31pm

re: #183 SasquatchOnSteroids

Nope. Stocking up on Hersheys Chocolate Syrup for dessert.

Chocolate covered bugs!

189 zombie  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:17:37pm

re: #186 mikalm

Gotta run, Lizards. See y'all later.

Caio.

190 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:18:22pm

re: #184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Homey don't play that!"

Chez Whitey.

191 zombie  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:18:27pm

I mean Ciao.

192 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:19:05pm

re: #178 mikalm

Never had 'em myself. I suppose one of these years I'll need to visit The Testicle Festival in Montana and try a pair as part of that whole Cowboy-Mardi-Gras experience....

it's no big deal, if you've lived in Texas, CO, NE, or Kansas...places like that

193 Racer X  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:19:32pm

Well that was creepy.

194 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:20:06pm

re: #188 jcm

Chocolate covered bugs!

Face your fear.

Eat some grub.

195 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:20:15pm

re: #179 IslandLibertarian

JacksonTn SasquatchOnSteroids albusteve
so if and when the shit hits the fan, you'll have no problem surviving on bugs?.......I've figured that would be an acceptable source of protein.

Will there be a pot of molten chocolate?

196 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:21:19pm

re: #188 jcm

Chocolate covered bugs!

humans eating insects is disgusting...chocolate, strawberry, whatever....it'd not cool it's barbaric

197 shiplord kirel  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:21:48pm

re: #173 albusteve

have a beer amigo


I can't. Spent all my money on Chi-com venetian blinds.
/

198 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:21:52pm

MADISON, Wis. — A massive tortoise who left the circus and took his show on the road for six days has been found and is expected to be back with his circus family soon.
When asked why he left, all Mr Tortoise could mumble was, "Those fuckin' clowns, creepy fuckin; clowns........"

film @ 11:00

199 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:22:35pm

re: #197 shiplord kirel

I can't. Spent all my money on Chi-com venetian blinds.
/

lesson #258

200 David Simon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:23:45pm

re: #161 shiplord kirel

I just tore 10 sets of nearly new venetian blinds out of my newly purchased rent house and threw them in the dumpster. The reason? There is no apparent way to make them come down once they are up. If you pull on one little cord, they go up. Pull on the other one, they go up. Pull on both at the same time, they go up. The previous owner said you just have to jiggle with them for a while, the key to all technical operations in Lubbock. I don't think that is good enough. This junk was made by "Beautiful Window Enterprises" of Tangsha Taiwan and is sold by Wally World and unscrupulous retailers throughout the land.

I'd advise anyone considering the purchase of blinds not to skimp. They all look basically the same, but the quality isn't the same.

201 Macker  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:24:16pm

re: #14 Pianobuff

Last week's Meet the DePressed.

There, fixed that for ya!

202 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:24:27pm

re: #161 shiplord kirel

Shitty product updates


The other garbage that has hit the can is the infamous Firefox browser, which can take as long as 20 minutes to re-start after an unexpected shutdown (and up to five minutes normally) and which has the slowest scroll rate known to man. It apparently re-loads everything that was on it when it shut down, and only then does it ask you if you want to return to the previous configuration.

I have no issues with Firefox 3.5, it works great for me.

203 JacksonTn  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:25:24pm

re: #76 jcm

Watch in HD and full screen people, it's worth it.

jcm ... that was beautiful ... thanks ...

204 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:25:32pm

re: #195 MandyManners

Will there be a pot of molten chocolate?

mmm...chocolate.

suddenly I'm hungry.

205 wee fury  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:25:33pm

eeeeeekkkkkkkk!

206 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:25:41pm

re: #200 David Simon

I'd advise anyone considering the purchase of blinds not to skimp. They all look basically the same, but the quality isn't the same.

$1100 for an 11ft and 9ft window.........Hunter Douglas.
ALWAYS buy quality. Cheap means CHEAP.

207 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:26:33pm

re: #203 JacksonTn

jcm ... that was beautiful ... thanks ...

208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:27:23pm

re: #161 shiplord kirel

Two nuns are painting in the convent. Not wanting to ruin their habits, and being along anyway they decided to paint in the nude.

Knock on the door, they panicked and said, "Who's there."

Voice says..."Blind man!"

They were relieved and let him in. He came into the room... stood there for a minute and said, "Nice tits Sisters. Where do you want the blinds?"

209 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:28:14pm

re: #206 IslandLibertarian

$1100 for an 11ft and 9ft window.........Hunter Douglas.
ALWAYS buy quality. Cheap means CHEAP.

no window is worth that much money...two words
bamboo

210 David Simon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:28:27pm

re: #206 IslandLibertarian

$1100 for an 11ft and 9ft window.........Hunter Douglas.
ALWAYS buy quality. Cheap means CHEAP.

Oy gevalt, it was over ten years ago so maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but I swear I did my whole house ten years ago in Hunter Douglas for that price!

211 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:28:30pm

re: #208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

6 months in Purgatory for that!

212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:28:30pm

re: #208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(being alone... not being along. shit.)

213 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:29:32pm

re: #211 IslandLibertarian

6 months in Purgatory for that!

Only joke about blinds that I know.

214 Truck Monkey  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:30:13pm

re: #208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bookmarked. Very very nice.

215 lurking faith  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:31:22pm

On that note, I think it's time for me to log off, tend to my fine feathered friends, and make sure I drink my appropriate share of that $457 a year average.

Good wine or decent wine? That's the question.

night, all

216 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:32:10pm

re: #213 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Only joke about blinds that I know.

Last guy I paid to put them in ripped me off. Had this gut feeling he was shady....

/downdings are acceptable

217 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:35:02pm

re: #216 SasquatchOnSteroids

I got nuthin...

218 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:35:35pm

re: #216 SasquatchOnSteroids

Last guy I paid to put them in ripped me off. Had this gut feeling he was shady....

/downdings are acceptable

I shudder when I think of the cost

219 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:37:02pm

Someone mentioned yesterday that I'd know what a Survivor car is. I dug up some photo's of a 18,000 mile 1958 Studebaker I bought, detailed and sold last year. Over 50 years old, and still a cream
puff.

220 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:38:38pm

Bert and Ernie....

221 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:39:01pm

out.

222 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:39:04pm

re: #217 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I got nuthin...

blinds, shady ?

groan.

223 BignJames  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:40:11pm

re: #219 avanti

Someone mentioned yesterday that I'd know what a Survivor car is. I dug up some photo's of a 18,000 mile 1958 Studebaker I bought, detailed and sold last year. Over 50 years old, and still a cream
puff.


Damn, that's ugly.

224 Racer X  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:41:44pm

re: #73 SasquatchOnSteroids

Kuroshio Sea - 2nd largest aquarium tank in the world

Gorgeous

Awesome!

I've been to the Georgia Aquarium and it is truly amazing. If you get a chance - go!

225 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:44:08pm

re: #224 Racer X

sushi anyone?

226 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:45:37pm

re: #223 BignJames

Damn, that's ugly.

Apparently you've forgotten that 1958 was the jukebox era of auto styling, check out the 58

Dodge, also ugly.

227 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:45:44pm

re: #224 Racer X

Awesome!

I've been to the Georgia Aquarium and it is truly amazing. If you get a chance - go!

I've had that on my mind for a while now

228 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:46:12pm

re: #224 Racer X

Awesome!

I've been to the Georgia Aquarium and it is truly amazing. If you get a chance - go!

Haven't been to that one. Baltimore, Myrtle, and Charleston in the last couple of years.
Thx for the tip.

229 Racer X  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:46:15pm
230 Alouette  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:47:34pm

re: #17 EmmmieG

The Germans did have a sign up explaining that they had taken to portray Germans because someone had to, or there would be no reenactment. They had been an Allied group, but switched because there weren't enough Germans to have reenactments. They also made it very clear they disavowed all Nazi philosophy.

I've been to Civil War reenactments and the Confederates don't have those disclaimers.

231 Racer X  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:48:15pm

re: #227 albusteve

I've had that on my mind for a while now

I stood in front of the great big glass wall there for about an hour just watching.

232 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:48:40pm

YOU HAVE TWO WEEKS TO REFORM HEALTHCARE OR WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!

/sorry, thought I was TOTUs for a second there

233 Alouette  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:49:19pm

re: #213 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Only joke about blinds that I know.

Better than avanti's blind man joke.

234 BignJames  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:49:34pm

re: #226 avanti

Apparently you've forgotten that 1958 was the jukebox era of auto styling, check out the 58

Dodge, also ugly.


Purty '58

235 Racer X  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:50:14pm

re: #232 Killian Bundy

YOU HAVE TWO WEEKS TO REFORM HEALTHCARE OR WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!

/sorry, thought I was TOTUs for a second there

LOL!

236 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:50:53pm

re: #226 avanti

Apparently you've forgotten that 1958 was the jukebox era of auto styling, check out the 58

Dodge, also ugly.


a fine looking '58...you have to look in the right place

[Link: www.my58chevy.com...]

237 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:51:26pm

re: #229 Racer X

Planets, Great Wall, and Solar Eclipse

Wow!

I wonder if you gave that picture to one of today's high school students and captioned it "5 planets and a solar eclipse", how many would realize that one of them isn't a planet ?

Just thinking.

238 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:52:23pm

re: #231 Racer X

I stood in front of the great big glass wall there for about an hour just watching.

that's some serious concentration...I see food

239 JEA62  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:52:32pm

re: #196 albusteve

The survival training for downed pilots is to catch insects for food - they're easy to catch and a protein source. I guess they'd start looking good after a couple of days...

240 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:52:42pm

The guys who made this are geniuses IMO. Their best known previous work "The League of Gentlemen" included a whole range of disturbing but hilarious characters and stories. One of my favourites was Papa Lazarou, who ran the travelling carnival that passed through town, trapping women and forcing them into becoming his wives:

241 JacksonTn  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:53:13pm

Jimmy Cliff ... Many Rivers To Cross ...

242 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:54:09pm

re: #240 Jimmah

Embedding disabled on that video, but if you double click it, it'll open up in a new window.

243 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:54:37pm

re: #237 SasquatchOnSteroids

I wonder if you gave that picture to one some of today's high school students and captioned it "5 planets and a solar eclipse", how many would realize that one of them isn't a planet ?

Just thinking.

Idiot !

244 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:54:39pm

my uncle had a 56 t-bird dnot ugly at all.

245 Arby Dwiar  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:55:37pm

re: #219 avanti

Someone mentioned yesterday that I'd know what a Survivor car is. I dug up some photo's of a 18,000 mile 1958 Studebaker I bought, detailed and sold last year. Over 50 years old, and still a cream
puff.

Wow - it looks even better than it did when driven off the show room floor! Would love to own one, but have no idea what something like this would be worth...

246 SteveC  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:56:54pm

re: #17 EmmmieG


The Germans did have a sign up explaining that they had taken to portray Germans because someone had to, or there would be no reenactment. They had been an Allied group, but switched because there weren't enough Germans to have reenactments. They also made it very clear they disavowed all Nazi philosophy.

Overheard at a Civil War re-enactment:

"Damn it, Do we have to be the Yankees again?"

247 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:57:48pm

re: #232 Killian Bundy

YOU HAVE TWO WEEKS TO REFORM HEALTHCARE OR WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!

/sorry, thought I was TOTUs for a second there

Much like...

YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE BANKS AND AIG ALL THIS MONEY OR IT WILL BE ARMAGEDDON!
and if you do, everything will be just fine

or...

YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR THIS COMMUNITY ORGANIZER WITH NO REAL WORLD WORK EXPERIENCE TO BE PRESIDENT OR EVERYONE IN THE WORLD WILL HATE US AND WE WILL ALL BE UNEMPLOYED!

These are all working out so well aren't they. Also: remember kids, it's only the republicans who use "the politics of fear" to push political agendas. ////

248 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:58:29pm

Some more from the 'League of Gentlemen':

Papa Lararou speaks to the dead:

249 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:58:39pm

re: #244 yochanan

my uncle had a 56 t-bird dnot ugly at all.

here she is...a two seater...priceless

[Link: www.johnsimpson.ca...]

250 SteveC  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:59:28pm

re: #247 ArchangelMichael

Also: remember kids, it's only the republicans who use "the politics of fear" to push political agendas. ////

To quote that useless SOB Dr. Phil: "So how's that working out for ya?"

251 BignJames  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 7:59:50pm

re: #247 ArchangelMichael

Much like...

YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE BANKS AND AIG ALL THIS MONEY OR IT WILL BE ARMAGEDDON!
and if you do, everything will be just fine

or...

YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR THIS COMMUNITY ORGANIZER WITH NO REAL WORLD WORK EXPERIENCE TO BE PRESIDENT OR EVERYONE IN THE WORLD WILL HATE US AND WE WILL ALL BE UNEMPLOYED!

These are all working out so well aren't they. Also: remember kids, it's only the republicans who use "the politics of fear" to push political agendas. ////


Ding!

252 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:00:15pm

Reformers' Claims Just Don't Add Up

Decide for yourselves.

/in January 1945, the Germans were desperate to take Bastogne and the surrounding terrain, we won

253 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:00:15pm

re: #237 SasquatchOnSteroids

I wonder if you gave that picture to one of today's high school students and captioned it "5 planets and a solar eclipse", how many would realize that one of them isn't a planet ?

Just thinking.

Regulus isn't a planet?!?! They said it was on Star Trek: Enterprise!

/public school educated student

254 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:02:01pm

re: #245 Arby Dwiar

Wow - it looks even better than it did when driven off the show room floor! Would love to own one, but have no idea what something like this would be worth...

The 58's were by far the least attractive, but the roof line on the hardtop was pretty at least. Oddly, I made more money on that car then the prettier versions. As I recall, I paid $5000 or so, put about 2K in it and lots of detailing work, put it on ebay hoping for 10K, but she was bid to 16 and change.
All you need are two bidders that just have to have the car.

255 Arby Dwiar  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:03:27pm

re: #254 avanti

Absolutely gorgeous condition; thanks for the info!

(Maybe someday...)

256 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:04:09pm

re: #241 JacksonTn

Jimmy Cliff ... Many Rivers To Cross ...


[Video]

the Emerald Island....

257 irongrampa  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:06:40pm

re: #219 avanti

That someone was me, Avanti. Nice looking Stude,btw.

258 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:07:45pm

real car...speed, power, and sex

[Link: www.firewheelclassics.com...]

259 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:07:46pm

re: #255 Arby Dwiar

Absolutely gorgeous condition; thanks for the info!

(Maybe someday...)

I've been buying and selling collector cars for over 40 years, and they always increase in value faster then inflation. Buy the right car when there is a temporary soft market, and it's money in the bank that you can have fun with.

260 BignJames  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:08:22pm

re: #252 Killian Bundy

My mind's made up...don't confuse me w/facts.

/

261 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:08:31pm

From the comments at Hot Air: Ron Paul is a true American hero.

When he is elected president in 2012 he will remove the corrupt, pro new world order neo-cons from power....MaximusConfessor on July 18, 2009 at 9:50 PM; I wonder if that is the Maximus that used to post here and got the stick.

262 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:08:47pm

re: #257 irongrampa

That someone was me, Avanti. Nice looking Stude,btw.

Sorry, at my age, I can hide my own Easter eggs, so it slipped my mind.

263 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:09:57pm
264 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:10:51pm

re: #263 MandyManners

BTW, I musta' missed your response to me this afternoon about NINETY-THREE Democrats supporting H.R. 1207 being a "few".

In what universe is 93 a "few"?

Did you know the real number and try to deflect or, did you just step on your dick?

265 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:12:39pm

*purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*

266 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:12:43pm

re: #263 MandyManners

BTW, I musta' missed your response to me this afternoon about NINETY-THREE Democrats supporting H.R. 1207 being a "few".

In what universe is 93 a "few"?

I didn't miss it, but I agree 93 is more then a few, but well less then the majority of Dems. They are probably just feel good cosponsors because they know Ron Paul's bill will fail in the Senate.

267 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:13:12pm

Talking about clowns - I watched "Brüno" and now I wanna change my family name!

268 SteveC  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:13:26pm

re: #261 MrPaulRevere

From the comments at Hot Air: Ron Paul is a true American hero.

When he is elected president in 2012 he will remove the corrupt, pro new world order neo-cons from power....MaximusConfessor on July 18, 2009 at 9:50 PM; I wonder if that is the Maximus that used to post here and got the stick.

What the hell is he smoking?

Do ya think he'll share?

269 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:14:09pm

re: #264 MandyManners

Did you know the real number and try to deflect or, did you just step on your dick?

Gosh, I wish I could step on my dick, I would deal with the minor inconvenience.

270 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:15:15pm

car pr0n...
[Link: www.conceptcarz.com...]

271 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:15:18pm

re: #268 SteveC

I wouldn't have touched what he's smoking even when I was in my 20's.

272 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:15:59pm

re: #249 albusteve

his was red hard top convertable

273 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:16:29pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

That's a great clip! Definitely ODS going on!

274 SteveC  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:16:33pm

re: #269 avanti

Gosh, I wish I could step on my dick, I would deal with the minor inconvenience.

Al and Fred are walking to town. Crossing the bridge, Al steps behind a bridge support to urinate. "Water cold!" he says as he zips up.

Fred does the same. "Deep, too!"

275 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:16:39pm

re: #269 avanti

Gosh, I wish I could step on my dick, I would deal with the minor inconvenience.

Hard to step on your dick when your foot is usually in your mouth!

276 irongrampa  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:18:03pm

Heh. Everytime somebody mentions clown, I think Pennywise.
Makes me shudder.

277 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:18:24pm

re: #272 yochanan

his was red hard top convertable

a very special car...two seater T-Birds are an American icon

278 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:18:45pm

re: #219 avanti

Man. that puts the "stud" in Studebaker! Cool car!

279 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:18:54pm

Ed Schultz has the crappiest cable TV ratings evah! 71,000 viewers: [Link: www.mediabistro.com...]

280 Iron Fist  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:19:05pm

re: #263 MandyManners

What bill are you two discussing? It always surprises me to see Democrats complaining about "camel nose". Like they didn't invent that concept with gun control. 80 years of ever increasing tightening of restrictions and close to 20,000 laws on the books (roughly. I doubt anyone knows how many gun laws are on the books in all the states), and when the program doesn't fix the problem, the answer is, you guessed it, more gun control.

They'll probably do the same thing to health care until we no long have much of any health care system.

281 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:19:44pm

re: #275 sattv4u2

Hard to step on your dick when your foot is usually in your mouth!

I'm pretty sure that any man who could step on his dick wouldn't have his foot in his mouth. Just sayin'.
/

282 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:20:00pm

and another cousin used to have a model T

283 Irenicum  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:20:27pm

re: #229 Racer X

Very impressive!

284 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:20:35pm

re: #261 MrPaulRevere

Speaking of Paulestinians...

I went to a gun show today. I know to expect some kooks there. I've been going to these things for years to "window shop" and there are always people who it's better to avoid conversations with or to smile and nod and just move on, but the sheer concentration of Nirthers and various Paulian kooks today was almost too much to handle.

I wish people would put some energy into, you know... real actual problems and legitimate criticism of government. The President and Congress are fucking up well enough where we don't have to be inventing bullshit to complain and grandstand about. While Nirthers rant about fantasy kook stuff, Cap'n Trade and CommieCare will move forward.

285 Iron Fist  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:20:42pm

re: #275 sattv4u2

Depends on how flexible he is...

286 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:20:55pm

This Car-O-Mania let me remember my first car.
Or what some called a car.
Pkw Trabant 601s ;)

287 BignJames  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:21:51pm

re: #281 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm pretty sure that any man who could step on his dick wouldn't have his foot in his mouth. Just sayin'.
/


Reminds me of the dog joke punch line......" 'cause he can".

288 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:22:52pm

re: #286 Joshua Cohen

was that the one they used a lawn mower eng. in?
so you could also cut your grass?

289 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:24:14pm

re: #286 Joshua Cohen

This Car-O-Mania let me remember my first car.
Or what some called a car.
Pkw Trabant 601s ;)

Trabi!

Did you get put on a decade long waiting list to get it too?

290 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:25:05pm

re: #278 Irenicum

Man. that puts the "stud" in Studebaker! Cool car!

stud?...stude baker...please

291 Iron Fist  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:26:19pm

Where are all the quality trolls? Have we hunted them to extinction? When the bottom comments are iceweasel with (0) downdings (they balance out), I'd say we are fresh out of troll.

292 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:26:52pm

re: #282 yochanan

and another cousin used to have a model T


here's one

[Link: www.musclecarclub.com...]

293 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:26:52pm

Company's Robots Will NOT Feed On The Dead:

POMPANO BEACH, Fla.– In response to rumors circulating the internet on sites such as FoxNews.com, FastCompany.com and CNET News about a “flesh eating” robot project, Cyclone Power Technologies Inc. (Pink Sheets:CYPW) and Robotic Technology Inc. (RTI) would like to set the record straight: This robot is strictly vegetarian.

That's a relief, I guess.

294 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:27:05pm

re: #291 Iron Fist

well we still have AVANTI

295 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:27:06pm

re: #284 ArchangelMichael

It's that bad huh? I haven't been to a gun show in a while and yes, there are always colorful characters there.

296 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:27:30pm

re: #291 Iron Fist

Where are all the quality trolls? Have we hunted them to extinction? When the bottom comments are iceweasel with (0) downdings (they balance out), I'd say we are fresh out of troll.

Slow Summer.

297 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:27:41pm

re: #266 avanti

I didn't miss it, but I agree 93 is more then a few, but well less then the majority of Dems. They are probably just feel good cosponsors because they know Ron Paul's bill will fail in the Senate.

Do you have a source for that?

298 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:27:48pm

re: #291 Iron Fist

Where are all the quality trolls? Have we hunted them to extinction? When the bottom comments are iceweasel with (0) downdings (they balance out), I'd say we are fresh out of troll.

people use them as pets now days...it's the new LGF chic bro

299 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:28:02pm

re: #288 yochanan

was that the one they used a lawn mower eng. in?
so you could also cut your grass?

Sounds like a lawn mower indeed.

600 ccm, 26hp, air cooled two cylinder 2 stroke engine
Body made from Duroplast, a material that often made use of varying quantities of different fibers, such as cotton, or occasionally paper.

300 jaunte  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:28:06pm

re: #286 Joshua Cohen

This Car-O-Mania let me remember my first car.
Or what some called a car.
Pkw Trabant 601s ;)

[Link: www.flickr.com...]
That looks like the front seat would be just as uncomfortable to sleep in as my Ford Pinto was.

301 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:28:31pm

re: #269 avanti

Gosh, I wish I could step on my dick, I would deal with the minor inconvenience.

Oh, dang.

I had to up-ding you for that self-deprecating humor.

302 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:28:35pm

re: #294 yochanan

well we still have AVANTI

3rd rate...maybe

303 JacksonTn  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:29:02pm

re: #291 Iron Fist

Where are all the quality trolls? Have we hunted them to extinction? When the bottom comments are iceweasel with (0) downdings (they balance out), I'd say we are fresh out of troll.

IF ... shift work ... tag team ...

304 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:29:45pm

re: #300 jaunte

Is it possible to have a sex life in it?

305 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:29:47pm

re: #280 Iron Fist

What bill are you two discussing? It always surprises me to see Democrats complaining about "camel nose". Like they didn't invent that concept with gun control. 80 years of ever increasing tightening of restrictions and close to 20,000 laws on the books (roughly. I doubt anyone knows how many gun laws are on the books in all the states), and when the program doesn't fix the problem, the answer is, you guessed it, more gun control.

They'll probably do the same thing to health care until we no long have much of any health care system.

Ron Paul's push to audit the Federal reserve as part of his plan to eliminate it. He loves the gold standard.

306 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:30:04pm

LGF has grown soft...pudgy

307 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:30:06pm

re: #280 Iron Fist

What bill are you two discussing? It always surprises me to see Democrats complaining about "camel nose". Like they didn't invent that concept with gun control. 80 years of ever increasing tightening of restrictions and close to 20,000 laws on the books (roughly. I doubt anyone knows how many gun laws are on the books in all the states), and when the program doesn't fix the problem, the answer is, you guessed it, more gun control.

They'll probably do the same thing to health care until we no long have much of any health care system.

It's from an earlier thread today. Your text to link...

308 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:30:30pm

Looks like this thread is fading faster than an LCD monitor with the brightness turned up too high.
/adjusts brightness down on LCD monitor

309 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:31:09pm

re: #291 Iron Fist

I wouldn't call iceweasel a troll. He/she is civil and makes a good point now and again.

310 jaunte  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:31:26pm

re: #304 yochanan

Is it possible to have a sex life in it?

Yes, even in Texas, and without air conditioning.
(ymmv)

311 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:31:28pm

re: #305 avanti

Ron Paul's push to audit the Federal reserve as part of his plan to eliminate it. He loves the gold standard.

Roosevelt took America off the Gold Standard.

312 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:31:38pm

i guess the only way to have a good fight without a troll is to make a rude or crude sexist joke and have mandy hit us with her clue by four.

ducks

313 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:31:39pm

re: #297 MandyManners

Do you have a source for that?

He's guessing Mandy. It's not a bad guess either. Ron Paul doesn't have major supporter who could help move the bill through the Senate, so the House could pass it, while not having to worry about it ultimately becoming law.

314 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:31:43pm

re: #308 NelsFree

Looks like this thread is fading faster than an LCD monitor with the brightness turned up too high.
/adjusts brightness down on LCD monitor

Sat night is not what it used to be, that's for sure...

315 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:31:43pm

re: #291 Iron Fist

The big Fourth of July BBQ, Fist. I think we grilled them into extinction.

It's only a temporary extinction, though, since trolls do not breed nor give birth as most other normal organisms do. They spontaneously form from the muck in stagnant pools, so we should see a new batch soon.

316 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:31:59pm

re: #304 yochanan

Is it possible to have a sex life in it?

Maybe I should reply to this.

Yes you can! ;)

317 irongrampa  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:32:06pm

re: #291 Iron Fist

Troll University has a grad class due soon. They've been having quality issues lately, and this batch, it's hoped will rectify that.

318 Alouette  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:33:02pm

re: #298 albusteve

people use them as pets now days...it's the new LGF chic bro

Here's Charles with a troll footstool.

319 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:33:28pm

re: #297 MandyManners

Do you have a source for that?

Probably in this case, means my opinion. no way in hell it will pass, but you can pick up some points on the right by seeming to help Ron Paul.

320 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:33:34pm

re: #316 Joshua Cohen

you contortionist you

321 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:33:45pm

re: #317 irongrampa

Troll University has a grad class due soon. They've been having quality issues lately, and this batch, it's hoped will rectify that.


Plus, the rain in the Northeast will help flush out the troll hatchlings.

322 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:33:54pm

re: #309 MrPaulRevere

I wouldn't call iceweasel a troll. He/she is civil and makes a good point now and again.

really?...I don't give a shit who likes me around here...others are obsessed with it...good points are only that

323 Iron Fist  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:34:00pm

re: #309 MrPaulRevere

I'm not calling Iceweasel a troll. Quite the op[posite. The bottom comment feature is scraping up people with a net of 0 dings. Yet they are winding up at the bottom. Maybe the feature needs to be modified so it is really only getting negatively rated posts.

324 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:34:28pm

re: #291 Iron Fist

AnnFrance, now THERE is a troll extraordinaire.

325 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:34:42pm

re: #312 yochanan

i guess the only way to have a good fight without a troll is to make a rude or crude sexist joke and have mandy hit us with her clue by four.

ducks

I have plenty, got a theme in mind ? :)

326 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:34:43pm

re: #295 MrPaulRevere

It's that bad huh? I haven't been to a gun show in a while and yes, there are always colorful characters there.

Yes it was. For example: I overheard a lot of vocal support for Stefan Cook from people who should know better.

My other complain was just how crowded it was. After Obama was elected, beginning the The Great Gun Scare of 2009 as I call it, the Gun Shows attendance swelled. It went from nearly being shut down to being packed. It tapered off a little as people started to realize that Obama was not going to have NWO UN Commissars show up at your door to take your guns. This one was packed worse than the one right after the election though. There was a line halfway through the parking lot almost the whole morning. It was bad. Trying to buy ammo there would have been an all day ordeal that I had neither the time nor patience for.

327 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:35:19pm

re: #318 Alouette

Here's Charles with a troll footstool.

ahhh...the good old days...I miss those guys, and thought it was really special for them to do a Fiskies toon last year...

328 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:35:20pm

re: #325 avanti

do it it will be a two for.

329 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:35:30pm

re: #311 NelsFree

Roosevelt took America off the Gold Standard.

Indeed, but Laup Nor wants to reinstate it. He's the kind of political figure who latches onto an idea and pursues single-mindedly without regard for the damage it might cause.

330 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:35:35pm

re: #320 yochanan

you contortionist you

What should I say?
It was behind the iron curtain - and we had not much else to do...

331 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:35:57pm

I think some peoples brains have gone soft, unable to tell the difference between a opponent who wishes to debate from a different point of view, and a genuine internet troll.

332 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:36:11pm

re: #319 avanti

Probably in this case, means my opinion. no way in hell it will pass, but you can pick up some points on the right by seeming to help Ron Paul.

Why don't you go fuck yourself?

333 Floral Giraffe  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:36:15pm

re: #291 Iron Fist

How was your move?

334 Iron Fist  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:37:02pm

re: #318 Alouette

Ah, the good old days. I had to give up my peacenik footstool in exchange for a personal lacky. They said it was a promotion. So they said.

335 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:37:46pm

re: #332 MandyManners

have it do it in a trabi

336 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:37:50pm

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

Indeed, but Laup Nor wants to reinstate it. He's the kind of political figure who latches onto an idea and pursues single-mindedly without regard for the damage it might cause.

not gonna happen...he does not deserve the attention he gets

337 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:38:41pm

re: #332 MandyManners

Why don't you go fuck yourself?

I think that would make me some sort of gay, not that there is anything wrong with that, I just prefer women.

338 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:39:19pm

re: #335 yochanan

have it do it in a trabi

What is a "trabi"?

339 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:39:45pm

In some cases, a troll becomes a recurring figure who is well known by long-term members of a bulletin board. The individuals often tell newcomers to the community to ignore the troll, who may use various tactics to get a rise from newbies. In more serious cases, an Internet troll may try to drive a wedge through a community, often with the assistance of sock puppet accounts. A sock puppet is a fake identity which is used by someone who does not want to post under his or her regular name; some trolls have multitudes of sock puppets to make their side of an argument look like it has a large number of supporters.

340 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:40:08pm

re: #326 ArchangelMichael

Well, at least the ammo sellers are in the money. I stocked up after 9-11 and probably spent a little more than I should have, but I have no regrets. You are right on the money in one respect, the notion that any American government will go door to door and confiscate weapons from law abiding citizens is patently absurd.

341 Sharmuta  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:40:11pm

re: #309 MrPaulRevere

I wouldn't call iceweasel a troll. He/she is civil and makes a good point now and again.

IceWeasel is female, and very nice. I don't have to agree with other politically to enjoy their company, and iDub is good people.

342 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:40:18pm

re: #337 avanti

Plus, as you have previously stated, you cannot step on your dick, so I think fucking yourself would be out of the question as well.
/

343 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:40:19pm

re: #331 Slumbering Behemoth

I think some peoples brains have gone soft, unable to tell the difference between a opponent who wishes to debate from a different point of view, and a genuine internet troll.

I have always been of the opinion that LGF posters take down trollish posters to soon and with too much venom...let them post...Charles can take care of his site, and this vigilantism annoys me

344 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:40:43pm

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

Indeed, but Laup Nor wants to reinstate it. He's the kind of political figure who latches onto an idea and pursues single-mindedly without regard for the damage it might cause.

All of the Paulians and libertarians I know who support return to the gold standard, really, honesty believe that it's a good thing and needs to be done. I try not to argue with them any more. It's clear to me that they aren't purposely being obtuse, they just know less than they think they do, because they know more than most people. In other words they know just enough about monetary policy and macroeconomics to be quite dangerous without meaning to be.

345 ShanghaiEd  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:40:48pm

re: #291 Iron Fist

Where are all the quality trolls? Have we hunted them to extinction? When the bottom comments are iceweasel with (0) downdings (they balance out), I'd say we are fresh out of troll.

Good point, Iron Fist. We may have to take F.B.V.'s route and go vegetarian. Or at least, free-range organic troll. :)

346 razorbacker  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:40:59pm

So, we pull up to Thompsons Cut and run 50 yards or so downstream and get out, set up lunch in the back, and are listening to tunes with the back liftgate up.

We've had some rain this year, and the ford moves depending on what has washed downstream and where the gravel bars are this month. You'd best wade across to see, or just wait until a local comes along and crosses. Not everybody knows this.

Nice-looking older Bronco comes down the trail. Shiny red, with cool spoked chromed wheels. Obviously a well-loved vehicle. Guy already has it in 4 wheel drive, so of course he's able to go anywhere, do anything. He hits the White River at about twenty, maybe twentyfive. The ford is not where it was last he came along, evidently. He ends up nosedown, with water coming into the passenger compartment. Flooded it, you might say.

Wife says, "Aren't you going to go over and help?"

"Nah. Looks like he already knows how to get stuck."

"Asshole. Go over and help him out."

"I ain't through eating. He'll still be there when I get finished."

Women. Always in a rush.

347 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:41:15pm

re: #337 avanti

I think that would make me some sort of gay, not that there is anything wrong with that, I just prefer women.

Upding for class and wit, avanti.

348 Macker  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:41:21pm

re: #1 rightside

Judiciary committee hearing?

And here I thought it was a Sharia Court...

ISLAM DELENDA EST.

349 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:41:24pm

re: #338 MandyManners

What is a "trabi"?

Short for Trabant. (East German sort of car)

350 Iron Fist  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:41:29pm

re: #333 Floral Giraffe

Long. The weather was good. The two guys who showed up with our truck worked their asses off. I'm certain for not a lot of money, but they were doing their best work for it. Nothing broken, scratched, dented, folded or spindled. All in all, a successful day. Thanks for asking :-)

351 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:41:29pm

re: #338 MandyManners

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

352 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:41:34pm

In fact, according to Burton Folsom, author of Newe Deal or Raw Deal, FDR did the following:
Forbid the export of gold in 1933.
Voided payment of government contracts with gold.
Issued an Executive order requiring US Citizens to turn over their gold in exchange for paper money. Violators could be fined or imprisoned.
He began buying gold from miners at above-market prices, thinking that, as gold rose, so would the economy. It did not.
More next post.

353 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:42:35pm

BTW: Later today I will visit a weapon museum in Suhl, Thuringia, Germany.

GUNS GUNS GUNS!

354 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:42:47pm

re: #341 Sharmuta

IceWeasel is female, and very nice. I don't have to agree with other politically to enjoy their company, and iDub is good people.

she was aggressively rude to me on the first exchange we had...her ego gets in her way...good people is a relative label....she's a bigtime stroker imo

355 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:43:16pm

re: #342 Slumbering Behemoth

Plus, as you have previously stated, you cannot step on your dick, so I think fucking yourself would be out of the question as well.
/

Fortunately, by not being so equipped, I don't have to be tempted to experiment with it.

356 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:44:12pm

re: #341 Sharmuta

IceWeasel is female, and very nice. I don't have to agree with other politically to enjoy their company, and iDub is good people.

I like her brain...

357 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:44:38pm

re: #341 Sharmuta

IceWeasel is female, and very nice. I don't have to agree with other politically to enjoy their company, and iDub is good people.

I have to second this: iDub is good people. If I tried to only like and associate with people who agreed with me on everything I'd be alone talking to a volleyball with a face painted on it.

358 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:45:16pm

re: #343 albusteve

I have always been of the opinion that LGF posters take down trollish posters to soon and with too much venom...let them post...Charles can take care of his site, and this vigilantism annoys me

I dunno. I like smacking down a troll once in a while. It's good sport, even if too easy.

That said, the only folks here with the authority to take down a troll are Charles and Stinky. There rest of us have no such authority.

359 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:45:29pm

re: #344 ArchangelMichael

All of the Paulians and libertarians I know who support return to the gold standard, really, honesty believe that it's a good thing and needs to be done. I try not to argue with them any more. It's clear to me that they aren't purposely being obtuse, they just know less than they think they do, because they know more than most people. In other words they know just enough about monetary policy and macroeconomics to be quite dangerous without meaning to be.

Quite concur. That's it exactly: The Paulians I've known don't known enough or have reached the wrong conclusions, but they do know more about economics than the great majority of people. This gets truly scary when you apply this lesson to Congress: Ron Paul draws the wrong conclusions, but he does know more about macroeconomics than 75% of Congress. That is frightening.

360 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:45:56pm

re: #355 avanti

if you could step on it i suspect the line for your services would keep you too busy to post in here.

361 irongrampa  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:46:09pm

Time for the old folk. There's a 53 Ford to play with,so tomorrow will be enjoyable.

Good night, good people.

362 Iron Fist  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:46:47pm

re: #353 Joshua Cohen

Coolness! It really pains me to see them bring in weapons and cut them up just because some zealots hate weapons. It is worse in Europe, I reckon, but that don't make it right.

363 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:46:52pm

re: #354 albusteve

she was aggressively rude to me on the first exchange we had...her ego gets in her way...good people is a relative label....she's a bigtime stroker imo

I'm gonna need a video link to confirm that.
/sorry ladies...

364 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:47:03pm

re: #358 Slumbering Behemoth

well there are the unknown monitor lizards who might be able to do it as well.

365 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:47:23pm

re: #346 razorbacker

So, we pull up to Thompsons Cut and run 50 yards or so downstream and get out, set up lunch in the back, and are listening to tunes with the back liftgate up.

We've had some rain this year, and the ford moves depending on what has washed downstream and where the gravel bars are this month. You'd best wade across to see, or just wait until a local comes along and crosses. Not everybody knows this.

Nice-looking older Bronco comes down the trail. Shiny red, with cool spoked chromed wheels. Obviously a well-loved vehicle. Guy already has it in 4 wheel drive, so of course he's able to go anywhere, do anything. He hits the White River at about twenty, maybe twentyfive. The ford is not where it was last he came along, evidently. He ends up nosedown, with water coming into the passenger compartment. Flooded it, you might say.

Wife says, "Aren't you going to go over and help?"

"Nah. Looks like he already knows how to get stuck."

"Asshole. Go over and help him out."

"I ain't through eating. He'll still be there when I get finished."

Women. Always in a rush.

Men: Always needing some prodding from us women-folk.

366 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:47:40pm

re: #358 Slumbering Behemoth

I dunno. I like smacking down a troll once in a while. It's good sport, even if too easy.

That said, the only folks here with the authority to take down a troll are Charles and Stinky. There rest of us have no such authority.

agreed, but people go overboard policing the sight...it makes them look silly imo

367 David Simon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:48:12pm

re: #252 Killian Bundy

From your link:

U.S. life expectancy in 2006 was 78.1 years, ranking behind 30 other countries. So if our health care is so good, why don't we live as long as everyone else?

Three reasons. One, our homicide rate is two to three times higher than other countries. Two, because we drive so much, we have a higher fatality rate on our roads — 14.24 fatalities per 100,000 people vs. 6.19 in Germany, 7.4 in France and 9.25 in Canada. Three, Americans eat far more than those in other nations, contributing to higher levels of heart disease, diabetes and some cancers.

These are diseases of wealth, not the fault of the health care system. A study by Robert Ohsfeldt of Texas A&M and John Schneider of the University of Iowa found that if you subtract our higher death rates from accidents and homicide, Americans actually live longer than people in other countries.

Thomas Sowell often writes about the dangerous conflation of medical care and health care. If you've ever vacationed in the Caribbean, you see the difference between the natives (toned, muscular, active) and the rest of us (fat, sleepy, gluttonous). The medical profession can only do so much to counteract the damage from the lousy health care that we self-administer.

368 pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:48:13pm

re: #359 Dark_Falcon

Quite concur. That's it exactly: The Paulians I've known don't known enough or have reached the wrong conclusions, but they do know more about economics than the great majority of people. This gets truly scary when you apply this lesson to Congress: Ron Paul draws the wrong conclusions, but he does know more about macroeconomics than 75% of Congress. That is frightening.

The Austrian School (of which Ron Paul is a disciple) is highly organized, open-sources their materials, includes a number of academics/teachers and has a history dating back to the beginning of the century, including a Nobel Prize winner in its stable.

369 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:48:35pm

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

Upding for class and wit, avanti.

I don't have to be classy, I could even offer a hint to help with insults. For example, instead of the old standards like "Go fuck yourself" or step on your dick, far better to say : "Avanti, if they cut two inches off your dick, you'd have a six inch scab on your ass".

370 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:49:02pm

So I am in the Fatherland since late Saturday evening - reason: family affairs.

And for the records: Next time - I fly myself!
Uaaahhh. Creepy airport...creepy pilot...

371 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:49:12pm

re: #364 yochanan

well there are the unknown monitor lizards who might be able to do it as well.

As far as I know, the authority of the monitor lizards extends only to deleting comments, and not banning. I could be wrong.

372 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:49:58pm

re: #368 pianobuff

The Austrian School (of which Ron Paul is a disciple) is highly organized, open-sources their materials, includes a number of academics/teachers and has a history dating back to the beginning of the century, including a Nobel Prize winner in its stable.

Not attacking his point of origin, but I am arguing that Ron Paul draws the wrong conclusions.

373 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:50:16pm

re: #359 Dark_Falcon

Very frightening. I wish I knew of a real non-kook solution to this besides simply voting for someone else. Most people who are intelligent on the subject wouldn't want to expose themselves to the cesspool that is congress, or politics in general.

374 Floral Giraffe  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:50:25pm

re: #350 Iron Fist

Congratulations! Moving is one of my least favorite things to do!

375 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:50:26pm

re: #369 avanti

that i will have to up ding good shot i would say

376 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:50:31pm

re: #369 avanti

I don't have to be classy, I could even offer a hint to help with insults. For example, instead of the old standards like "Go fuck yourself" or step on your dick, far better to say : "Avanti, if they cut two inches off your dick, you'd have a six inch scab on your ass".

Another upding for wit.

377 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:50:41pm

re: #360 yochanan

if you could step on it i suspect the line for your services would keep you too busy to post in here.

Movies would be in my future: "Long dong Silver" to start it off.

378 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:50:46pm

re: #363 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm gonna need a video link to confirm that.
/sorry ladies...

a fixation on 'fitting in'...so what...I post, therefor I am

379 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:51:38pm

With Roosevelt manipulating prices for gold ( and silver to a lesser extent),
The Supreme Court heard three cases to stop his interference. Now here's the eerie part: FDR had his Attorney General, Homer Cummings, say that if FDR's gold policy was reversed,...

"CHAOS would result!"

(Sound familiar?)

Quoting Secretary of Treasury Morgenthau," He (FDR) said if we keep things in a constant turmoil, if the case should go against us the man on the street will say,'for God's sake, Mr. President, do something about it' and, he said, if I do everybody in the country will heave a sigh of relief and say thank God".
Gosh, I love a good book.

380 pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:51:46pm

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

Not attacking his point of origin, but I am arguing that Ron Paul draws the wrong conclusions.

Just pointing you to where he gets his ideas from - The conclusions are minimally Ron Paul's - they are more conclusions of people like Von Mises, Hayek, and more recently Schiff. Ron's drawing very few conclusions himself.

381 Iron Fist  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:52:18pm

re: #374 Floral Giraffe

It beats colorectal surgury with a broken bottle, but it is down there on my list, too :-)

382 razorbacker  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:52:29pm

re: #365 MandyManners

Men: Always needing some prodding from us women-folk.

Nope. That is not it. You don't just go rushing over to a guy who has f*cked up by the numbers. You let the reality of the situation come to bear on him. Let the cluelight shine, you might say.

Hell, for all I know, the guy has just invented one of those boat-cars or something, and I might be harshing his mellow by butting in uninvited.

Better to wait until he looks my way and says, "Little help, dude?"

383 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:52:31pm

re: #349 Joshua Cohen

Short for Trabant. (East German sort of car)

A harbinger of the future products from GM (Government Motors)

384 yochanan  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:52:45pm

good nite all.

385 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:52:49pm
386 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:53:33pm

re: #366 albusteve

To my mind, the vitriolic gang-banging was much worse before the sewing circle of fundamentalist busy bodies decided to leave this site in a bratty huff over the topic of evolution/creationism.

387 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:53:34pm

re: #368 pianobuff

Who is the Nobel Prize winner of which you speak?

388 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:54:22pm

Good evening y'all - how is everyone doing this evening.........almost early morning?
And what are we all talking about?

389 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:54:35pm

re: #383 Kosh's Shadow

A harbinger of the future products from GM (Government Motors)

I doubt this. I takes 6-7l on 100km...and produce a big and smelly CO2 print - 2 stroke engine...

390 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:54:47pm

re: #384 yochanan

good nite all.

Nite to you. I should go to bed, but one more beer and I'll be on a roll.

391 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:55:03pm

re: #384 yochanan

G'nite!

seems like I just got here.

392 pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:55:38pm

re: #387 MrPaulRevere

Who is the Nobel Prize winner of which you speak?

Friedrich Hayek

Friedrich August von Hayek CH (8 May 1899 – 23 March 1992), was an Austrian and British economist and philosopher, and a major critic of John Maynard Keynes. Hayek's account of how changing prices communicate signals which enable individuals to coordinate their plans is widely regarded as an important achievement in economics. This and other contributions have put Hayek at the top among a list of the most influential economists of the modern period.[1] One of the great polymaths of the 20th century, Hayek also contributed to jurisprudence, neuroscience, philosophy and the history of ideas.

In 1974 Hayek shared the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel with Gunnar Myrdal "for their pioneering work in the theory of money and economic fluctuations and for their penetrating analysis of the interdependence of economic, social and institutional phenomena."[2] He also received the U.S. Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1991.[3]

393 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:56:32pm

re: #386 Slumbering Behemoth

To my mind, the vitriolic gang-banging was much worse before the sewing circle of fundamentalist busy bodies decided to leave this site in a bratty huff over the topic of evolution/creationism.

well it's put up or shut up...my measly intellect could never keep up with those troopers...besides it's a topic I don't care about...like Sarah Palin

394 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:56:59pm

re: #378 albusteve

a fixation on 'fitting in'...so what...I post, therefor I am

I think you missed my point. My request for video evidence was alluding to something pornographic. I know it's juvenile, but it's kinda my shtick. Sometimes I get laughs, sometimes not.

395 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:57:16pm

re: #392 pianobuff

Thanks for replying. Are you inferring Hayek would support Ron Paul?

396 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:58:05pm

re: #368 pianobuff

The Austrian School (of which Ron Paul is a disciple) is highly organized, open-sources their materials, includes a number of academics/teachers and has a history dating back to the beginning of the century, including a Nobel Prize winner in its stable.

Okay, here's the next topic: America was on the gold standard until FDR ended it during his first administration. Why should we go back on it? Why should we stay off it? How many other countries use a gold (or other)standard?
/Off to Google...

397 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:58:21pm

re: #367 David Simon

From your link:

Thomas Sowell often writes about the dangerous conflation of medical care and health care. If you've ever vacationed in the Caribbean, you see the difference between the natives (toned, muscular, active) and the rest of us (fat, sleepy, gluttonous). The medical profession can only do so much to counteract the damage from the lousy health care that we self-administer.

As a population, unlike in most countries, we choose our lifestyle from th myriad of options available, for better or worse.

/TOTUS and Pelosi have no right to decide for us and mandate our collective lifestyle, it's called freedom

398 JacksonTn  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:58:26pm

swirl ...

A Whiter Shade of Pale ...

good night ya'll ...

399 pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:59:03pm

re: #395 MrPaulRevere

Thanks for replying. Are you inferring Hayek would support Ron Paul?

Hayek is dead. From what I've seen, Ron Paul is a bit of the poster boy for the Austrian School economists though. Schiff was his economic adviser when he was campaigning. I think Ron Paul is also semi-regular guest at their events.

400 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:59:11pm

re: #388 realwest

Good evening y'all - how is everyone doing this evening.........almost early morning?
And what are we all talking about?

Trolls, insults, take your pick, and more importantly, how are you ?

401 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:59:23pm

re: #394 Slumbering Behemoth

I think you missed my point. My request for video evidence was alluding to something pornographic. I know it's juvenile, but it's kinda my shtick. Sometimes I get laughs, sometimes not.

I was not referring to you...links are good, especially the off the wall funny ones that make the point in an oblique way

402 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:59:44pm

re: #397 Killian Bundy

As a population, unlike in most countries, we choose our lifestyle from th myriad of options available, for better or worse.

/TOTUS and Pelosi have no right to decide for us and mandate our collective lifestyle, it's called freedom

The problem is that Obama and Pelosi think they can seize the power to force us to live a certain way, and it's not a sure thing that they're wrong.

403 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:59:53pm

re: #388 realwest

Welcome RealWest! Um, trolls, gold, and stepping on one's male organ.
Serving up a contentious stew since 1045 EDT!

404 pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 8:59:57pm

re: #396 NelsFree

Okay, here's the next topic: America was on the gold standard until FDR ended it during his first administration. Why should we go back on it? Why should we stay off it? How many other countries use a gold (or other)standard?
/Off to Google...

Wasn't the gold standard on partial life support until some time in Nixon's term?

405 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:00:52pm

I'm gonna' post about my mom tonight. I appreciate all prayers and good thoughts, no matter the belief system of any Lizard.

She's at home. She has refused the feeding tube, the consequences of which is aspiration. This will lead to an infection wich will lead to pneumonia. She refuses to give consent to a ventilator.

406 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:01:46pm

re: #389 Joshua Cohen

I doubt this. It takes 6-7l on 100km...and produce a big and smelly CO2 print - 2 stroke engine...

Wait that would be something like 33.3 MPG - not that bad!
Ok, 60mph max speed - well anything above 50mph was not comfortable anymore...

407 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:01:47pm

re: #397 Killian Bundy

As a population, unlike in most countries, we choose our lifestyle from th myriad of options available, for better or worse.

/TOTUS and Pelosi have no right to decide for us and mandate our collective lifestyle, it's called freedom


Yes. And we've earned and defended that right for well over 200 years.
And the Leftist party in ther persons of Pelosi (one of if not the Richest member of Congress) and Obama who was an active US Senator for almost a month before he began his run for Messiah have done exactly what?

408 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:01:52pm

Bye.

409 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:02:10pm

re: #405 MandyManners

I'm gonna' post about my mom tonight. I appreciate all prayers and good thoughts, no matter the belief system of any Lizard.

She's at home. She has refused the feeding tube, the consequences of which is aspiration. This will lead to an infection wich will lead to pneumonia. She refuses to give consent to a ventilator.

Perhaps she feels that its her time to go. I'll say a prayer for her, but my advise is to get ready to say goodbye.

410 David Simon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:02:11pm

re: #370 Joshua Cohen

So I am in the Fatherland since late Saturday evening - reason: family affairs.

And for the records: Next time - I fly myself!
Uaaahhh. Creepy airport...creepy pilot...

You own your own plane?

411 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:02:21pm

re: #401 albusteve

I know. It was the "bigtime stroker" part I was trying to riff on. Never mind, my joke obviously failed.

412 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:02:28pm

re: #408 MandyManners

Take care.

413 outsidephilly  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:02:32pm

re: #405 MandyManners

Yes, I'll pray and support you during this time. Does she say much when you sit with her?

414 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:02:47pm

re: #400 avanti
I'm doing ok avanti - thanks for asking - how are you getting along this evening?

415 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:03:23pm

re: #408 MandyManners

Bye Mandy....

416 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:03:23pm

re: #405 MandyManners

I'm gonna' post about my mom tonight. I appreciate all prayers and good thoughts, no matter the belief system of any Lizard.

She's at home. She has refused the feeding tube, the consequences of which is aspiration. This will lead to an infection wich will lead to pneumonia. She refuses to give consent to a ventilator.

help her find some peace...there is no more to be done...she still has her will and you have to respect that...a hard thing...my sincere sympathy

417 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:04:05pm

re: #392 pianobuff

Hayek on the Gold Standard:

Reason: To avoid inflation, your prescription has been to advocate that monetary policy be pursued with the goal of maintaining stability in the value of money. Is it necessary to trust the politicians to regulate the money supply? Can't market forces adjust to correct for a gradual deflation?

Hayek: Yes, they do occasionallv. The trouble is, in the mechanical system what forces politicians is the gold standard. The gold standard, even if it were nominally adopted now, would never work because people are not willing to play by the rules of the game. The rules of the game that the gold standard requires [say] that if you have an unfavorable balance of trade, you contract your currency. That's what no government can do--they'd rather go off the gold standard. In fact, I'm con- vinced that if we restored the gold standard now, within six months the first country would be off it and, within three years. it would completely disappear.

The gold standard was based on what was essentially an irrational superstition. As long as people believed there was no salvation but the gold standard, the thing could work. That illusion or superstition has been lost. We now can never successfully run a gold standard. I wish we could. Its largely as a result of this that I have been thinking of alternatives.

Hayek was smart enough to realize that the Gold Standard will not work in modern times (and this interview was in 1977) even though he wished it would. A post-industrial economy cannot avoid trade imbalances, and you absolutely have to have balanced trade for a finite physical backed currency to work. That is only one of the myriad of reasons it will not work.

418 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:04:55pm

I'm a complete puddle.

419 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:04:59pm

re: #402 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that Obama and Pelosi think they can seize the power to force us to live a certain way, and it's not a sure thing that they're wrong.

Oh yes it is a sure thing Dark_Falcon; way too many of us have actually, ya know, served in the military defending our freedoms to let two truly silly, ego-centric idiots take it away from us.

420 Stuart Leviton  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:05:05pm

Anyone got a fear of kreplach?

421 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:05:17pm

re: #405 MandyManners

I'm gonna' post about my mom tonight. I appreciate all prayers and good thoughts, no matter the belief system of any Lizard.

She's at home. She has refused the feeding tube, the consequences of which is aspiration. This will lead to an infection wich will lead to pneumonia. She refuses to give consent to a ventilator.

In hopes that God listens to agnostics, I'll send one up. Your mom is kinda in charge at this point, all you can do is pray and support her. My wife's mother made a similar choice and would not be swayed.

422 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:05:31pm

re: #410 David Simon

You own your own plane?

No. I would not have the time for this (and not the money for the one I want) but I still fly sometimes - to keep the license.

423 pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:05:46pm

re: #417 ArchangelMichael

Hayek on the Gold Standard:

Hayek was smart enough to realize that the Gold Standard will not work in modern times (and this interview was in 1977) even though he wished it would. A post-industrial economy cannot avoid trade imbalances, and you absolutely have to have balanced trade for a finite physical backed currency to work. That is only one of the myriad of reasons it will not work.

Yup - and within the Austrian school they can't come to consensus on that item still in 2009 and are still debating it.

424 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:06:04pm

re: #403 NelsFree
Hey NelsFree - ok, who stepped on his dick lately? And did we rush him to the ER?!

425 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:06:28pm

TOTUS/Blinky healthecare reform in a nutshell.

/lowest common denominator care for everyone, it's not a mystery how socialized medicine works out

426 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:06:58pm

re: #414 realwest

I'm doing ok avanti - thanks for asking - how are you getting along this evening?

I'm fine, God, I love beer, and I'm a happy drunk..

427 David Simon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:07:32pm

re: #397 Killian Bundy

As a population, unlike in most countries, we choose our lifestyle from th myriad of options available, for better or worse.

/TOTUS and Pelosi have no right to decide for us and mandate our collective lifestyle, it's called freedom

They also have no right to steal our money to pay for their utopian fantasies.

428 Stuart Leviton  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:07:36pm

re: #405 MandyManners
Good luck Mandy. That must be emotionally rough to deal with

429 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:07:52pm

re: #405 MandyManners
Ah shit. I'm truly sorry to hear that Mandy. Y'all know I post The List tomorrow - kindly e-mail me if you want me to add anything in particular.
Meanwhile, I'm sending up prayers for her and for you and your family.

430 Bobblehead  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:07:56pm

re: #418 MandyManners

You take care sweetie. We're praying for your mom and family.

431 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:08:20pm

Extremist website taken down following Edmund Standing's recent report:

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

Lots of pissed off wankers chucking tantrums in the comments - hehe.

432 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:08:23pm

re: #417 ArchangelMichael

That's a fascinating interview, thanks. I had no idea he was so critical of Milton Friedman.

433 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:08:27pm

re: #389 Joshua Cohen

I doubt this. I takes 6-7l on 100km...and produce a big and smelly CO2 print - 2 stroke engine...

I was exaggerating; I meant we'd end up with a cheaply made small piece of junk; that makes a 1985 Hyundai look like a great car.

434 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:08:47pm

re: #405 MandyManners

I completely suck at offering words of comfort, so...

{Mandy}

435 pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:08:51pm

re: #405 MandyManners

I'm gonna' post about my mom tonight. I appreciate all prayers and good thoughts, no matter the belief system of any Lizard.

She's at home. She has refused the feeding tube, the consequences of which is aspiration. This will lead to an infection wich will lead to pneumonia. She refuses to give consent to a ventilator.

God bless your mother and you.

436 outsidephilly  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:09:22pm

re: #418 MandyManners

Tears can be our best relief ......., I, too, teared up after reading your post

Oh, would that I could, ease your sorrow as you hold your mom's hand during her transition from this life ........

437 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:10:03pm

re: #434 Slumbering Behemoth

I completely suck at offering words of comfort, so...

{Mandy}

me too...I tend to be a little too blunt

438 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:10:08pm

re: #418 MandyManners

I'm a complete puddle.

/don't fight the patient's wishes as long as they're still competent, they know what they're experiencing

439 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:10:16pm

re: #419 realwest

Oh yes it is a sure thing Dark_Falcon; way too many of us have actually, ya know, served in the military defending our freedoms to let two truly silly, ego-centric idiots take it away from us.

I pray you are right sir. I think you are, but I do worry often about it.

440 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:10:45pm

re: #418 MandyManners

I'm a complete puddle.

It takes a long time to deal with it. My wife will collapse in tears when she finds a hand written recipe from her mom, a picture, just any reminder and it's been a few years now. Enjoy every moment you have, and pray for lots of them.

441 Sharmuta  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:10:49pm

re: #405 MandyManners

{MANDY}

442 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:11:28pm

re: #427 David Simon

They also have no right to steal our money to pay for their utopian fantasies.

Too late, good luck stopping them.

/they're on a roll, so far

443 David Simon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:11:29pm

re: #405 MandyManners

I'm gonna' post about my mom tonight. I appreciate all prayers and good thoughts, no matter the belief system of any Lizard.

She's at home. She has refused the feeding tube, the consequences of which is aspiration. This will lead to an infection wich will lead to pneumonia. She refuses to give consent to a ventilator.

Ouch, I'm so sorry. Love her, cherish her and know that you have done everything you can to be the best daughter that you can possibly be.

444 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:11:30pm

I pretty much hate clowns of all varieties. Just a bit less than I hate mimes. I don't remember ever laughing at anything a clown ever did. Their schtick just isn't funny at all. The worst one was the stupid Bozo the Clown who had a TV show when I was a kid and he was never ever the least bit funny. Only the nerdy kids wanted to go to see that show taped live even if it meant getting the day off school to go.

Clowns are creepy. Caked-on makeup, size 30 shoes and red ball noses don't make anyone who is acting like an idiot seem funny. I don't have a phobia for clowns. I just think the whole concept is dumb and boring.

445 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:11:30pm

{Mandy}
May God Grant your family peace and grace....
We love you

446 pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:11:39pm

re: #417 ArchangelMichael

Hayek on the Gold Standard:

Hayek was smart enough to realize that the Gold Standard will not work in modern times (and this interview was in 1977) even though he wished it would. A post-industrial economy cannot avoid trade imbalances, and you absolutely have to have balanced trade for a finite physical backed currency to work. That is only one of the myriad of reasons it will not work.

Excellent reading. Thanks for sharing.

447 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:11:46pm

re: #404 pianobuff

Wasn't the gold standard on partial life support until some time in Nixon's term?

We have a winner! Thanks to Wikipedia, I can confirm that, after WW2, the US and Europeans made the Bretton Woods System, that established exchange rates based on the US dollar, being valued as worth an amount of gold. However, no gold was actually in possession to redeem. Nixon ended US participation in 1971.

One advantage of a gold standard is it guards against hyperinflation, which will occur when the US Deficit is "solved" by printing more money.

448 razorbacker  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:11:47pm

re: #418 MandyManners

I'm a complete puddle.

I'm not much of a help. From sad experience, when they decide that it's time, it's time.

It's not time as far as we see it, but it's time as far as they see it.

Sometimes the best thing that you can do is just be there to say goodbye.

449 swamprat  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:12:41pm

re: #418 MandyManners

Been down that road.
....
Not easy.

450 outsidephilly  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:12:55pm

re: #445 HoosierHoops

{Mandy}
May God Grant your family peace and grace....
We love you


And I admire your courage as you abide by your mom's choice in this ........

451 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:13:30pm

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

I pray you are right sir. I think you are, but I do worry often about it.


Well I have other, more immediate matters to worry about, but even if I didn't, I can't believe two nincompoops can bring down America. Not even the fact that the US Government is OWNED by the Leftist Party can change my opinion.

452 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:13:49pm

This would be a dream - a private owned MiG-29 or even 21
Without the weapon hardpoints and anything like this...just to fly around...but the 2 seat trainer version - colored in neon-something with a big fat smiley as sign on the tail ;)

But if you are over 42 or maybe 45...flying jets is out of the question and maintenance would ruin you.

453 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:14:01pm

re: #421 avanti

In hopes that God listens to agnostics, I'll send one up. Your mom is kinda in charge at this point, all you can do is pray and support her. My wife's mother made a similar choice and would not be swayed.

I'm atheist/agnostic myself, but in very very occasional extreme life or death circumstances, where it concerns someone close to me, I have been known to say a prayer as well. Just in case, kinda thing.

454 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:14:11pm

re: #424 realwest

Hey NelsFree - ok, who stepped on his dick lately? And did we rush him to the ER?!

Mandy and Avanti are having a male-organ related exchange. They rushed off somewhere, I dunno. Wait, did I say that wrong?
/heh

455 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:14:13pm

re: #431 Jimmah

I do like this graphic.

456 razorbacker  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:14:31pm

re: #447 NelsFree

I doubt that there is enough gold to cover the dollars in print. Even at (IIRC) $35/oz.

Maybe there is, but we don't own enough of it.

457 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:14:32pm

re: #447 NelsFree

One advantage of a gold standard is it guards against hyperinflation, which will occur when the US Deficit is "solved" by printing more money.

/are you personally going to dig up enough gold to cover a $14 trillion economy?

458 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:15:11pm

re: #445 HoosierHoops
Hi Hoops and Amen to what you said.
{{Mandy}}

459 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:16:13pm

re: #455 Slumbering Behemoth

I do like this graphic.

Good isn't it? And possibly the most perfectly realised use of the term "owned" you'll ever see, as Edmund really does now literally own that domain.

460 pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:16:17pm

re: #447 NelsFree

We have a winner! Thanks to Wikipedia, I can confirm that, after WW2, the US and Europeans made the Bretton Woods System, that established exchange rates based on the US dollar, being valued as worth an amount of gold. However, no gold was actually in possession to redeem. Nixon ended US participation in 1971.

One advantage of a gold standard is it guards against hyperinflation, which will occur when the US Deficit is "solved" by printing more money.

I've seen one video lecture of someone showing how we might get back on it and that's where it gets really weird in a putting-the-toothpaste-back in the tube kind of way. When you compared gold supply with money supply it actually came out to something mind-boggling like 32,000$ an ounce. I think I had nightmares that night.

461 David Simon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:17:29pm

re: #422 Joshua Cohen

No. I would not have the time for this (and not the money for the one I want) but I still fly sometimes - to keep the license.

I don't know what airline you flew, but I was surprised the last time I flew El Al. It gets my vote for most improved airline.

462 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:17:51pm

Hoo, boy. Mandy, I just scrolled up and found your post about your Mother. I'm sorry about my previous post. I shall pray for comfort for you and her. No more jokes tonight.

463 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:18:55pm

re: #452 Joshua Cohen
Why Migs?

464 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:19:01pm

re: #451 realwest

Well I have other, more immediate matters to worry about, but even if I didn't, I can't believe two nincompoops can bring down America. Not even the fact that the US Government is OWNED by the Leftist Party can change my opinion.

Wasn't the US Government owned by Leftists during the Carter Administration as well? A lot of people thought it was the beginning of the end for American prosperity and our role as a superpower. It wouldn't surprise me if there were people in 1979 who expected us to be the USSA within a decade at the time. It worked out quite well for us in the 80s and 90s though.

I keep telling myself this, to get through the current situation but... past performance is not a guarantee of future performance.

465 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:20:19pm

re: #461 David Simon

I don't know what airline you flew, but I was surprised the last time I flew El Al. It gets my vote for most improved airline.

Yeah - El Al to Paris, Lufthansa to Frankfurt and some crappy airline to Erfurt...Next time i take the ICE for the last part!

466 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:20:43pm

re: #452 Joshua Cohen

This would be a dream - a private owned MiG-29 or even 21
Without the weapon hardpoints and anything like this...just to fly around...but the 2 seat trainer version - colored in neon-something with a big fat smiley as sign on the tail ;)

But if you are over 42 or maybe 45...flying jets is out of the question and maintenance would ruin you.

Like I mentioned, I had a friend that owned a Mig 21, but I think it cost him about $2000 a minute to fly with all the inspections needed.

467 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:20:53pm

re: #457 Killian Bundy

/are you personally going to dig up enough gold to cover a $14 trillion economy?

Um, no. Are you going to apologize for not including a /sarc tag to make such a thunderously outrageous challenge?

468 Alouette  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:21:13pm

re: #420 Stuart Leviton

Anyone got a fear of kreplach?

As opposed to a fear of ravioli or a fear of won ton?

469 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:21:22pm

Well, the sun is coming up, and that means only one thing for me - bedtime.

See you guys later, have a good one.

470 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:21:47pm

re: #460 pianobuff

When you compared gold supply with money supply it actually came out to something mind-boggling like 32,000$ an ounce. I think I had nightmares that night.

Check your decimal places.

/it's a ridiculous idea, unless you're a gold bug, and you can't eat gold

471 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:22:01pm

re: #463 realwest

Why Migs?

Simple - I was trained on the MiG as I was younger ;) Some 30 Years ago.

472 avanti  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:22:01pm

re: #463 realwest

Why Migs?

For one thing, they are cheap, my friend sold his for under 200K on ebay.

473 razorbacker  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:23:27pm

Anyway, by the time I've finished my fried chicken and potato salad a couple of ol' boys have shown up in a jacked-up F150 with hi-lift jacks, snap straps and such. Man, these fellows live for stuff like that.

We mosey on down the trail and somehow end up at Oark. I like the general store, so we get a couple of sodas and shoot the breeze with some philosophers on the porch and then I head towards, I thought, Byrds Campground. Ended up coming out on Little Jethro somehow. I'm not too sure how, I didn't even notice when we crossed the Mulberry.

Maybe I oughta get one of those GPS thingamabobs.

Prolly wouldn't met nearly so many fine folks, though.

474 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:24:04pm

re: #466 avanti

Like I mentioned, I had a friend that owned a Mig 21, but I think it cost him about $2000 a minute to fly with all the inspections needed.

Cool!
20.000$ a flighthour was the number I was told.

475 Mich-again  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:24:57pm

Mandy,

I was in the hospital room last year with my Father in Law who was dying of pancreatic cancer when the doctor said there was nothing more to do to save him and all that was left was to stop the pain. He looked at us all and said "Thats enough, just end it." All he could do was look at us and try his best to smile as he took the morphine and faded away. The hardest part was after a few hours when the pain was gone he perked up and became aware again and seemed a bit angry that he wasn't gone yet and we were all still there in the room with him. He was actually apologetic to us all that it was taking so long.

I can kind of feel for you, but I know it has to be a lot worse to see that sort of thing happen to your own mom. Just try to find a way to give whatever comfort you can. I know this. Parents don't ever want to see their kids sad. She needs to know that you and her grandson will be all right even if she's gone. That will bring her some comfort. Easier said than done though.

476 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:25:11pm

re: #470 Killian Bundy

Check your decimal places.

/it's a ridiculous idea, unless you're a gold bug, and you can't eat gold

taste like chicken

477 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:26:19pm

re: #459 Jimmah

Bwahahaha!

478 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:26:25pm

re: #467 NelsFree

Um, no. Are you going to apologize for not including a /sarc tag to make such a thunderously outrageous challenge?

The gold standard ain't coming back. How about the corn standard?

/you can eat it and burn it as fuel

479 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:26:57pm

re: #478 Killian Bundy

The gold standard ain't coming back. How about the corn standard?

/you can eat it and burn it as fuel

DRINK!

480 swamprat  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:29:53pm

re: #479 albusteve

DRINK!

re: #478 Killian Bundy

Copper standard. Make pennies out of copper again. They changed to aluminum when people bagged the coopper ones and sold them in mexico for their value as copper.

481 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:30:13pm

re: #456 razorbacker

I doubt that there is enough gold to cover the dollars in print. Even at (IIRC) $35/oz.

Maybe there is, but we don't own enough of it.

Gold is currently $937.70/oz as of NYMEX close on Friday.

Aside from the trade imbalance problem with the Gold standard that I mentioned, the main problem with the Gold Standard is there is not enough physical gold in existence to be useful for the size of the US economy, no less the entire world's.

At the end of 2006, it was estimated that all the gold ever mined totaled 158,000 tonnes.

158,000 tons = 5,573,285,990 ounces = $5,226,070,272,823 = $5.226 Trillion

US GDP = 13.84 Trillion

Even if all the gold in the world, every last spec of it was in Fort Knox, the US economy would still have to contract by over 60% for the Gold Standard to be remotely feasible from the start.

482 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:30:31pm

re: #464 ArchangelMichael

I read something today that said something to this effect: 'If Iceland elected a visionary leader, it would not make them a wealthy world power. If America elects a weak leader, it will not change our status much either.' Agree or disagree, its food for thought.

483 razorbacker  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:30:52pm

We get back home and the Daughter's ride is pulled up almost onto the deck. We come in and she says, "Y'all oughta lock up the house when you wander off."

"So I see."

She's making cookies and has five Harry Potter movies so her mom can catch up before she goes to see the latest.

They're in the front room now, with the subwoofer shaking the house, eating cookies and watching fantasy.

I have a great life. All things considered.

484 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:30:55pm

re: #478 Killian Bundy

The gold standard ain't coming back. How about the corn standard?

/you can eat it and burn it as fuel

Clearly you do not understand the value of...value. If you consume the corn, you lose value. If you possess gold, you maintain value. If you grow corn, you create value. If you don't apoligize for leaving off a /sarc tag...
/reaches for clue-by-four

485 pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:31:03pm

re: #470 Killian Bundy

Check your decimal places.

/it's a ridiculous idea, unless you're a gold bug, and you can't eat gold

Hmmm... Well if the US gold supply is 8000+ tons.... I guess we'd want to use the M3 money supply number but reporting on that has conveniently stopped.... what to do what to do....

I'll take it as a little homework assignment.

486 ShanghaiEd  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:32:27pm

re: #418 MandyManners

I'm a complete puddle.

Mandy, you should be. It's your turn. Let other people be the "rock" for a while.

Please know you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.

487 NelsFree  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:32:40pm

It is my opinion that you can find an Economist who will support either side of a discussion around currency standards. My fear is that, like FDR, Obama will follow a theory that does not work in the real world and cause irreparable harm to the US Economy. Oh wait, he's already doing it...

Time to go to bed. I shall finish this evening with my Three Affectations:
Mandy: hug {MANDY}
Dark Falcon: thanks for the upding
Avanti: let's keep the humor clean here.

G'nite all.

488 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:33:19pm

re: #487 NelsFree

Sleep well

489 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:34:27pm

re: #485 pianobuff

Hmmm... Well if the US gold supply is 8000+ tons.... I guess we'd want to use the M3 money supply number but reporting on that has conveniently stopped.... what to do what to do....

I'll take it as a little homework assignment.

What's the M3 number, a number etched in gold on a M3 Carbine? I'd love to own one of those, if they were legal in my state. Full auto .30 Carbine = lots of fun.

/joking around, but I would like to known about the M3 number.

490 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:34:35pm

re: #464 ArchangelMichael
"past performance is not a guarantee of future performance." This is certainly true in the abstract. But think about it just for a minute: The U.S. was formed by fighting against and beating the world's then largest standing (and battle tested) Army and Navy and we've been around for over 200 years since then.
During that time we had a civil war - causing the DEATHS of over 600,000 American Men; we had to fight the War to End All Wars (WWI) with a basically conscript army because our "regular" or standing army was SO small; we had to fight the war that "The Greatest" generation fought, against even great odds and over literally the entire world; We had to survive the "great" depression wherein something close to 30% of American's (mostly men) were unemployed for several years straight; We had to survive the Great Dustbowl; we had to survive the Cold War (which in fact grew more than a little hot from time to time) and, of course, we've had to survive all types of government officials: literally the Good, the Bad and the Ugly in their approach to governing this nation and their (usually truly FUBAR'D) vision for this nation.
We've survived and I would submit that we are winning the GWoT - a war against truly barbarous opponents who deliberately target and murder civilians and who claim no true nation status making winning that much more difficult, but one we WILL win.
Somehow I think we'll survive Nancy Pelosi and that street corner 3 card monte dealer too.
I guess what I'm saying is that while past performance is not a guarantee of future performance, don't bet against the USA.

491 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:34:54pm

re: #481 ArchangelMichael

And I meant to add. This should be the nail in the coffin to this idea. It is not a difficult concept to grasp, and the fact that Paulians cant seem to do this simple bit of math scares the hell out of me. This is why Luap Nor needs to STFU and STFD on this issue.

492 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:35:14pm

re: #478 Killian Bundy

The gold standard ain't coming back. How about the corn standard?

/you can eat it and burn it as fuel

I say we switch to the porn standard. There's tons of that stuff, every where. Of course, I should warn you that I am biased. Switching to the porn standard would make me an over night billionaire.
/

493 LC LaWedgie  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:35:30pm
494 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:39:12pm

re: #484 NelsFree

If you possess gold, you maintain value.

According to who? If the global economy melts down to prehistoric levels what are you going to do with your gold, pelt people into submission with Krugerrands until you get your way?

/sorry, fiat currency is what it has always been, based on trust and confidence, it has validity because they trade it on FOREX markets

495 pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:39:48pm

re: #489 Dark_Falcon

What's the M3 number, a number etched in gold on a M3 Carbine? I'd love to own one of those, if they were legal in my state. Full auto .30 Carbine = lots of fun.

/joking around, but I would like to known about the M3 number.

From Wiki:

Money is used in final settlement of a debt and as a ready store of value. Its different functions are associated with different empirical measures of the money supply. Since most modern economic systems are regulated by governments through monetary policy, the supply of money is broken down into types of money based on how much of an effect monetary policy can have on each. Narrow measures include those more directly affected by monetary policy, whereas broader measures are less closely related to monetary-policy actions.[6] Each measure can be classified by placing it along a spectrum between narrow and broad monetary aggregates. The different types of money are typically classified as Ms. The number of Ms usually range from M0 (narrowest) to M3 (broadest) but which Ms are actually used depends on the system. The typical layout for each of the Ms is as follows:

* M0: Notes and coins (currency) in circulation and in bank vaults, plus reserves which commercial banks hold in their accounts with the central bank (minimum reserves and excess reserves). This is the base from which other forms of money (like checking deposits, listed below) are created and is traditionally the most liquid measure of the money supply. M0 is usually called the monetary base. The designation M0 may lead to confusion because it seems to imply that M0 is part of M1, which is not strictly the case. [8]
* M1: M1 includes funds that are readily accessible for spending. M1 consists of: (1) currency outside the U.S. Treasury, Federal Reserve Banks, and the vaults of depository institutions; (2) traveler's checks of nonbank issuers; (3) demand deposits; and (4) other checkable deposits (OCDs), which consist primarily of negotiable order of withdrawal (NOW) accounts at depository institutions and credit union share draft accounts. [9]
* M2: Equals M1 + savings deposits, time deposits less than $100,000 and money market deposit accounts for individuals. M2 represents money and "close substitutes" for money.[10] M2 is a broader classification of money than M1. Economists use M2 when looking to quantify the amount of money in circulation and trying to explain different economic monetary conditions. M2 is a key economic indicator used to forecast inflation.[11]
* M3: Equals M2 + large time deposits, institutional money-market funds, short-term repurchase agreements, along with other larger liquid assets.[12] M3 is no longer published or revealed to the public by the US central bank.[13] However it is estimated by a web site called Shadow Government Statistics. [14]

Note that reporting of M3 by the central bank has stopped. Does anyone here know a good reason why we would now want to keep this number private?

496 pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:41:29pm

re: #491 ArchangelMichael

And I meant to add. This should be the nail in the coffin to this idea. It is not a difficult concept to grasp, and the fact that Paulians cant seem to do this simple bit of math scares the hell out of me. This is why Luap Nor needs to STFU and STFD on this issue.

Just on the gold standard or also on auditing the Fed?

497 razorbacker  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:41:56pm

re: #490 realwest

I'm not going to seriously argue with your post because...well...I'm an optimist. I think that we'll come out okay, if folks get pissed enough to demand sanity again.

One thing, though. This is not my original thought (I don't have original thoughts). Back in the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl times, how much of the population lived on farms? Now how many do?

Worst comes to worst, folks won't be able to feed themselves, now.

Not like you're going to grown a decent corn crop on a balcony.

498 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:42:17pm

re: #464 ArchangelMichael
And, just for you (course you all can look and listen too!):

499 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:42:52pm

re: #498 realwest

And, just for you (course you all can look and listen too!):

[Video]

Hi RealWest!

500 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:43:09pm

Hey Guys...2 days until the 40th anniversary of the first moonlanding!

And what will I do? Remembering what it takes, the long way on the back of many men an women, at the cost of their lifes these things where deveoloped on.
Taking part at a wreath ceremony at one of the places where in the shadow of the Nazis the technology for this big achievement was born, proven and build for the use of destruction.
At the home of the V2 Rockets, at a conzentration camp.

Never forget and Never Again!

501 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:45:16pm

re: #497 razorbacker
Well I surely can't argue that point about the family farm. It was family farmers that mostly got screwed -royally screwed - in the Great Dustbowl and the Great Depression.
But you know that the big corporate farmers can't begin to eat or burn for fuel all that they grow either.
Y'all might want to check my post #498 too - it was written in those dark days.

502 David Simon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:46:08pm

re: #471 Joshua Cohen

Simple - I was trained on the MiG as I was younger ;) Some 30 Years ago.

lol. The largest purveyor of Russian technology was Israel after all!

503 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:46:23pm

re: #498 realwest

"If you wanna end war socialist takeover and stuff, you gotta sing loud."
"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."

504 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:46:34pm

re: #499 HoosierHoops
Hey hi Hoops - how are y'all doing this fine evening?

505 razorbacker  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:46:39pm
506 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:47:36pm

swamp music...Anders Osborne

507 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:47:44pm

re: #420 Stuart Leviton

Anyone got a fear of kreplach?

They're only Jewish Wontons.
Chicken soup with Kreplach. MMMMMMMM.

508 David Simon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:48:26pm

re: #494 Killian Bundy

According to who? If the global economy melts down to prehistoric levels what are you going to do with your gold, pelt people into submission with Krugerrands until you get your way?

/sorry, fiat currency is what it has always been, based on trust and confidence, it has validity because they trade it on FOREX markets

Yep. Like any other commodity, it's "value" is contingent on supply and demand.

509 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:48:32pm

re: #504 realwest

Hey hi Hoops - how are y'all doing this fine evening?

Hi Real....goofing off at 1am ..There should be law

510 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:48:48pm

And let's just say the U.S. did revert to the gold standard, nevermind the industrial uses.

/does anyone seriously think that they'd be allowed to keep their gold?

511 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:49:54pm

re: #496 pianobuff

Just on the gold standard or also on auditing the Fed?

Auditing the Fed is a smokescreen. IMOP Paul likely thinks that one of 2 things will happen:

1) The Joo-Banker Puppet-Masters™ who secretly run the world will show their hand by squashing it.

2) The audit will itself expose that the Fed is really a conspiracy to fuck everyone by the aforementioned Joo-Bankers™.

He wanted to abolish the Fed and put us on the Gold Standard. All of this is one big agenda to fight against a problem that doesn't exist but in the minds of conspiracy theorists who if not for the Internet would be confined to public access cable shows at 2 am or to newsletters with 35 subscribers.

512 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:50:33pm

re: #495 pianobuff

Note that reporting of M3 by the central bank has stopped. Does anyone here know a good reason why we would now want to keep this number private?

The government might not want people to know how bad our financial state is. When did we stop reporting the M3 number?

513 razorbacker  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:50:37pm

re: #501 realwest

I didn't make myself clear. I know that family farmers took it in the shorts.

But a large percentage (50%?) still lived on the land. They knew how to farm, raise chickens and hogs and cattle and sheep. It's harder than it looks, driving by on the interstate highway.

Bad comes to worse, they could feed themselves and their extended families.

Not now.

514 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:50:52pm

re: #509 HoosierHoops

Hi Real....goofing off at 1am ..There should be law


Hell there probably is! So what?!

515 pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:51:42pm

re: #512 Dark_Falcon

The government might not want people to know how bad our financial state is. When did we stop reporting the M3 number?

2006 maybe?

516 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:51:45pm

re: #514 realwest

Hell there probably is! So what?!

Yeah Hoops, RW will represent you.

517 pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:52:47pm

re: #511 ArchangelMichael

Auditing the Fed is a smokescreen. IMOP Paul likely thinks that one of 2 things will happen:

1) The Joo-Banker Puppet-Masters™ who secretly run the world will show their hand by squashing it.

2) The audit will itself expose that the Fed is really a conspiracy to fuck everyone by the aforementioned Joo-Bankers™.

He wanted to abolish the Fed and put us on the Gold Standard. All of this is one big agenda to fight against a problem that doesn't exist but in the minds of conspiracy theorists who if not for the Internet would be confined to public access cable shows at 2 am or to newsletters with 35 subscribers.

Ron Paul aside, do you believe more oversight of the Fed is a bad idea?

518 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:53:03pm

Gold bugs puzzle me.

/I have exposure to gold but I don't hold the commodity

519 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:53:08pm

re: #510 Killian Bundy

And let's just say the U.S. did revert to the gold standard, nevermind the industrial uses.

/does anyone seriously think that they'd be allowed to keep their gold?

I have a stash of Krugerrands down in Jamaica...I have no clue what to do with them...

520 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:53:17pm

re: #513 razorbacker
No, you did make yourself clear razorbacker my friend, it is I who wasn't clear: Americans will find a way to feed themselves - probably won't help to continue to feed the world, but we'll figure out a way to feed ourselves........and well, too.
Shoot, y'all don't expect President Obama to give up his Arugala now did ya?!

521 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:53:36pm

re: #516 jcm

Yeah Hoops, RW will represent you.

Damn Lawyers! LOL
Good Evening

522 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:54:43pm

re: #511 ArchangelMichael

Auditing the Fed is a smokescreen. IMOP Paul likely thinks that one of 2 things will happen:

1) The Joo-Banker Puppet-Masters™ who secretly run the world will show their hand by squashing it.

2) The audit will itself expose that the Fed is really a conspiracy to fuck everyone by the aforementioned Joo-Bankers™.

He wanted to abolish the Fed and put us on the Gold Standard. All of this is one big agenda to fight against a problem that doesn't exist but in the minds of conspiracy theorists who if not for the Internet would be confined to public access cable shows at 2 am or to newsletters with 35 subscribers.

In a way, I can see this matter coming full-circle to what Rahm Emmanuel said about not letting a crisis go to waste. The economic crisis, coupled to the fact that we know that the government screwed up as it relates to home loans, creates a desire to audit the Fed to see what went wrong. If that audit uncovers abuses (which it might well do) Ron Paul would then use the audit results to press his case for a the Fed's abolition or drastic restructuring.

523 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:56:10pm

re: #516 jcm
Hello jcm my friend - I surely would rep ole Hoops. Even if neither of you apparently agreed with my #490 about the indomitable American Spirit.
What's going on with you this evening?

524 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:57:08pm

re: #519 albusteve

I have a stash of Krugerrands down in Jamaica...I have no clue what to do with them...

Depends how much you paid for them. They're one ounce coins.

/if gold prices shoot up to around $1500/oz. consider selling them, then again, gold prices have been behaving badly lately

525 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:57:24pm

re: #519 albusteve

I have a stash of Krugerrands down in Jamaica...I have no clue what to do with them...


Hey good buddy - I'll take 'em off your hands for ya!Cause, ya know, that's just the kinda guy I am! LOL!

526 David Simon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:57:30pm

re: #495 pianobuff

Note that reporting of M3 by the central bank has stopped. Does anyone here know a good reason why we would now want to keep this number private?

From what I gather, the costs of collecting the data outweigh the benefits.

527 razorbacker  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:57:53pm

re: #520 realwest

"Do not bind the mouths of the kine that tred your grain."

Somebody smart said that once. I disremember who.

528 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:59:20pm

re: #521 HoosierHoops

Damn great Lawyers! LOL"

There, FTFY!

529 Gella  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:59:31pm

evening, just came home from watching movie The Hurt Locker
1st movie is really good in my opinion, it keeps on the edge of the sit
i highly recommend watching it

530 pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 9:59:54pm

Dark_Falcon, ArchAngelMichael,KilianBundy, MrPaulRevere

Really enjoyed the exchange of info. Great Hayek interview somewhere in there.

My wife is taking me to IHOP now. I must have done something right - guess I'll find out.

Take care and enjoy.

531 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:01:17pm

re: #517 pianobuff

Ron Paul aside, do you believe more oversight of the Fed is a bad idea?

Well, it is my understanding that the Fed is suppossed to be, the financial version of the military. As in, it does what it needs to do without having Congress micromanage it (even though they try to anyway).

Oversight is good, but I just don't know how far to take it without overly politicizing the Fed or interfering with their ability to react to economic conditions in a timely manner.

All this said, I'm not against abolishing the Fed, or addressing some of the problems with Fiat currency... BUT... There needs to be a much better idea for a replacement than anything I heard. The gold standard is a non-starter. Turning monetary policy over to the government sounds extraordinarily stupid as well, given the politicians we have. Not to keen on Larry Kudlow's "replace it with a computer" idea either.

532 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:01:31pm

re: #529 Gella

evening, just came home from watching movie The Hurt Locker
1st movie is really good in my opinion, it keeps on the edge of the sit
i highly recommend watching it

Thanks. I need to watch that movie...

533 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:01:37pm

My favorite Arlo Guthrie tune: "Coming Into Los Angeles"

534 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:02:21pm

re: #523 realwest

Hello jcm my friend - I surely would rep ole Hoops. Even if neither of you apparently agreed with my #490 about the indomitable American Spirit.
What's going on with you this evening?

Went back and up dinged it.

Americans came here to get away from other interfering with our lives.

We prefer carving our own out of nothing, to a hand out. And are willing to do anything to preserve it, and extend it to anyone who wants the dream.

There will always be those who hold to that spirit, The American Spirit.

535 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:02:37pm

re: #530 pianobuff
And some of us enjoyed reading that exchange of information, too!
Thank you and Dark_Falcon, ArchAngelMichael, KilianBundy, and MrPaulRevere.

536 Gella  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:03:00pm

re: #532 HoosierHoops

Thanks. I need to watch that movie...

i had a lot of respect for soldiers, but now i have even more
casting is great, director (Kathryn Bigelow) did great job

537 swamprat  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:03:46pm

re: #503 IslandLibertarian

"If you wanna end war socialist takeover and stuff, you gotta sing loud."
"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."

Obama has pissed off the left

538 pianobuff  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:04:12pm

re: #531 ArchangelMichael

Well, it is my understanding that the Fed is suppossed to be, the financial version of the military. As in, it does what it needs to do without having Congress micromanage it (even though they try to anyway).

Oversight is good, but I just don't know how far to take it without overly politicizing the Fed or interfering with their ability to react to economic conditions in a timely manner.

All this said, I'm not against abolishing the Fed, or addressing some of the problems with Fiat currency... BUT... There needs to be a much better idea for a replacement than anything I heard. The gold standard is a non-starter. Turning monetary policy over to the government sounds extraordinarily stupid as well, given the politicians we have. Not to keen on Larry Kudlow's "replace it with a computer" idea either.

Saw this come in as I'm about to leave. Good points. The one thing I would draw attention to in your analogy is that the military is a government/public institution where is the Federal Reserve (at least my understanding but correct me if I'm wrong) is a private bank with a governmenty-sounding name.

OK, that's really it now. Had a great time and will check in later.

539 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:04:27pm

re: #524 Killian Bundy

Depends how much you paid for them. They're one ounce coins.

/if gold prices shoot up to around $1500/oz. consider selling them, then again, gold prices have been behaving badly lately

they are 1973 1oz 22c...I paid less than a hundred apiece for them, 85 of them...do I just show up at a bank with them?....do I need to retrieve them and get them back to the States?...seemed like the thing to do back then...now what?...I'm a little embarrassed...I have not thought much about it as the years went by...

540 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:06:02pm

re: #525 realwest

Hey good buddy - I'll take 'em off your hands for ya!Cause, ya know, that's just the kinda guy I am! LOL!

I have not been to Jamaica in three years...they are buried on my land...I put them there almost thirty years ago

541 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:06:06pm

re: #539 albusteve

Good problem to have, at least.

542 razorbacker  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:06:22pm
543 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:07:26pm

re: #534 jcm
"We prefer carving our own out of nothing, to a hand out. And are willing to do anything to preserve it, and extend it to anyone who wants the dream.

There will always be those who hold to that spirit, The American Spirit."

Absolutely. We've been tried and tested more times than I can remember and we've always won. I don't see that American Spirit dying out anytime soon.
Hell I was there, in Manhattan, during 9/11 and although there's a lot of anger and grief and sadness that goes with it, so too does the wonderful reaction and offers to help from Americans all over this great country of ours.
When push comes to shove, we pull together. Period.

544 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:09:15pm

You can most likely make more money in GMCRre: #539 albusteve

they are 1973 1oz 22c...I paid less than a hundred apiece for them, 85 of them...do I just show up at a bank with them?....do I need to retrieve them and get them back to the States?...seemed like the thing to do back then...now what?...I'm a little embarrassed...I have not thought much about it as the years went by...

Call ahead to your bank before you just show up with gold coins, although that's what they're there for.

/four sure, at least cash out your original investment and then the rest is pure gravy

545 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:09:37pm

re: #540 albusteve
So you're saying you'd have to go back and dig 'em up and then come back?
It's ok, I'll wait!
:)

546 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:10:46pm

Outstanding work ArchangelMichael. For the life of me, I do not understand this obsession the Paul supporters have with the Federal Reserve. Its the only thing they EVER talk about.

547 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:10:55pm

re: #538 pianobuff

Saw this come in as I'm about to leave. Good points. The one thing I would draw attention to in your analogy is that the military is a government/public institution where is the Federal Reserve (at least my understanding but correct me if I'm wrong) is a private bank with a governmenty-sounding name.

OK, that's really it now. Had a great time and will check in later.

Enjoy IHOP. I tend like the omlettes there, they make them fairly well and you can get pancakes with them.

548 razorbacker  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:11:47pm

re: #537 swamprat

Obama has pissed off the left

[Video]

Sheesh.

And I thought that time had treated me roughly.

Poor Arlo. He's a long time gone from Alice's Restaurant.

549 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:12:55pm

re: #541 Fenway_Nation

Good problem to have, at least.

I was making a small fortune growing pot and dashing back and forth to Jamaica...I was hooked on Kiplinger and had a survival instinct...buying gold and jems...it was all kind of exciting back then...Carter was forcing us to extremes etc...I bought this gold and took it down there and buried it on land I still own...nobody knows it's there but me and my ex wife and she could not find it...I'd like to do something with it...

550 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:13:32pm

re: #545 realwest

So you're saying you'd have to go back and dig 'em up and then come back?
It's ok, I'll wait!
:)

some help you are

551 razorbacker  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:14:31pm

I'm hitting the sheets.

Don't know what the morrow may bring. If nothing else, I need to vacuum the fried chicken crumbles out of the back of the Jeep.

Last thing I need is an ant-infested Jeep.

552 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:14:34pm

re: #549 albusteve

I was making a small fortune growing pot and dashing back and forth to Jamaica...I was hooked on Kiplinger and had a survival instinct...buying gold and jems...it was all kind of exciting back then...Carter was forcing us to extremes etc...I bought this gold and took it down there and buried it on land I still own...nobody knows it's there but me and my ex wife and she could not find it...I'd like to do something with it...

Dude..I would be flying down there in the morning..

553 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:15:49pm

re: #546 MrPaulRevere
Well lately it's all they've been talking about, but please don't forget that Isolationism bs they are also running at us - it's just now below the radar screen.

554 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:16:14pm

You can most likely make more money in GMCR than gold.

/as of options expiration Friday, I've already cashed in on it twice, so far, and it setting up again at a $62.03 buy point

555 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:17:08pm

re: #550 albusteve

some help you are


Well hell, what are friends for?!

556 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:18:20pm

re: #552 HoosierHoops

Dude..I would be flying down there in the morning..


ROTFL! Hey Hoopster - what's wrong with going tonight?!?

557 Gus 802  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:19:38pm

Hillary Clinton Apology Tour in India

MUMBAI, India — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton opened a three-day visit to India on Saturday by urging India not to repeat American mistakes in contributing to global pollution...

SNIP

"We acknowledge now with President Obama that we have made mistakes in the United States, and we along with other developed countries have contributed most significantly to the problem that we face with climate change," she said. "We are hoping a great country like India will not make the same mistakes."

558 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:20:36pm

re: #556 realwest

ROTFL! Hey Hoopster - what's wrong with going tonight?!?

Too much beer..too much fun..:)

559 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:20:48pm

re: #552 HoosierHoops

Dude..I would be flying down there in the morning..

I can't...my leg doesn't work anymore...when I get that resolved I plan on a long vacation...maybe even come up for the races :) hold you to your word

560 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:21:25pm

re: #559 albusteve

I can't...my leg doesn't work anymore...when I get that resolved I plan on a long vacation...maybe even come up for the races :) hold you to your word

What's wrong with your leg?

561 ggt  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:21:31pm

Hello Night Lizards! It remained a very nice day all day in Near Iowa.

So, I noticed taxes weren't itemized on that graphic from the previous thread. Bureaucratic oversite?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

562 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:22:00pm

re: #555 realwest

Well hell, what are friends for?!

if and when I have deep pockets again, I'll remember that

563 Gus 802  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:22:47pm

Rude Comment from Barack Obama Regarding Bono-Bush "Hug Dodge"

On a BBC program last night, the superstar U2 singer recalled how he he stiffed President Bush out of the photo op in 2006 at the National Prayer Breakfast. The former President was on the stage with Bush when "Dubya" tried to hug Bono.

"There were all kinds of people in the audience," Bono recalled on Jonathan Ross' talk show.

SNIP

The sidestep worked, and just about nobody in the audience knew it happened — though it was all captured on camera.

But — there was one sharp-eyed Senator in the bipartisan crowd who saw it all.

"When I was sitting down I was beside Sen. Obama, the star said the future President whispered to him, 'Nice work with the hug dodge.'"

564 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:23:03pm

re: #560 Dark_Falcon

What's wrong with your leg?

it quit working...no big deal

565 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:23:07pm

re: #559 albusteve

I can't...my leg doesn't work anymore...when I get that resolved I plan on a long vacation...maybe even come up for the races :) hold you to your word

It's a hell of a party here for the Indy 500... you can come even without gold

566 David Simon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:23:17pm

re: #554 Killian Bundy

You can most likely make more money in GMCR than gold.

/as of options expiration Friday, I've already cashed in on it twice, so far, and it setting up again at a $62.03 buy point

Remember college football coach Woody Hayes? When asked why he doesn't like to pass the football he answered, "When you pass, three things can happen, and two of them ain't good." Ditto for going long options. You stand a much better chance to make money off selling them than buying them - at least in the long run.

567 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:24:03pm

re: #565 HoosierHoops

It's a hell of a party here for the Indy 500... you can come even without gold

PLASTIC!

568 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:24:26pm

re: #553 realwest

You know RW, fanatics of any stripe scare the hell out of me. I can be opinionated that's as far as it goes. One would think at this point in history the human race would have learned to run like hell from any fanatic.

569 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:25:20pm

To the moon and back: Apollo 11 success was quietly hatched in South Bay

Scientific work, vital to the flight's success, had long been going on at an obscure research outpost in the valley. There, a few "wind tunnel jockeys" had quietly been working since the early 1950s on perhaps the most difficult problem of any moon mission — the part about returning safely to Earth.

The searing heat of hitting the atmosphere at 25,000 mph on the way back from the moon would melt or vaporize any known material that could be flown in space. It was the insight of engineers and scientists working at what would become NASA's Ames Research Center that a spacecraft shaped more like a bucket than a bullet could survive re-entry.

570 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:25:47pm

and with every clown make-up kit you get one of these........

/"0" care for the unwashed masses.......

571 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:26:10pm

re: #566 David Simon

Remember college football coach Woody Hayes? When asked why he doesn't like to pass the football he answered, "When you pass, three things can happen, and two of them ain't good." Ditto for going long options. You stand a much better chance to make money off selling them than buying them - at least in the long run.

/I sold covered calls

572 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:26:43pm

re: #546 MrPaulRevere

Outstanding work ArchangelMichael. For the life of me, I do not understand this obsession the Paul supporters have with the Federal Reserve. Its the only thing they EVER talk about.

I've had the misfortune of seeing a number of "documentaries" by conspiracy kooks about the Fed.

It boils down to the belief that the Fed is the source of all evil in America since 1913. The idea was formed secretly by a bunch of "money changers" (Codespeak for Jewish Bankers) at a retreat on Jekyl Island and they used all their influence to ram the Federal Reserve Act through Congress. They believe its unconstitutional for the same reasons the National Banks in the 1800s were. They also believe that our freedoms have been slowly being stripped away bit by bit since the Fed came into being, by design. Control the Nation's money and you control the nation.

Aaron Russo's Freedom to Fascism is an example of one of these documentaries. If you can find it and can stomach watching it, it will explain it. It's one of those Loose Change like documentaries where just about every single thing said or shown on the screen is false or exaggerated to a point of absurdity.

573 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:26:50pm

re: #570 IslandLibertarian

and with every clown make-up kit you get one of these........

/"0" care for the unwashed masses.......

Waaay to simple.

/;-P

574 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:27:47pm

re: #571 Killian Bundy

/I sold covered calls

/I sell covered calls on everything I can get away with once a month

575 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:28:27pm

re: #557 Gus 802
Good post and link my friend. But fairness compels me to add the following:

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton opened a three-day visit to India on Saturday by urging India not to repeat American mistakes in contributing to global pollution, and she passionately defended U.S. demands for help in fighting terrorism. Her voice rising, Clinton insisted that the U.S. demand for international action against terrorist should not be taken lightly.
[SNIP]
"We know how important (it is). We are fighting wars to end the threat of terrorism against us, our friends and allies around the world." She said India can choose its own way of contributing but must be part of a broader effort to defeat the threat.

"We expect everyone" who shares the U.S. goal of a more stable world "to take strong action to prevent terrorism from taking root on their soil and making sure that terrorists are not trained and deployed" from their territory to carry out attacks elsewhere, she added.

Earlier, Clinton attended a ceremony commemorating the Mumbai attack, which killed 166 and raised tensions between nuclear rivals India and Pakistan. At the event were five staffers from the Oberoi Hotel and 10 from the Taj, including general manager Karambir Kang, who lost his wife and two children during the three-day siege.

The event was closed to reporters.

In a memorial book she wrote: "Americans share a solidarity with this city and nation. Both our people have experienced the senseless and searing effects of violent extremism. And both can be grateful and proud of the heroism of brave men and women whose courage saved lives and prevented greater harm on 26/11 and 9/11. Now it is up to all nations and people who seek peace and progress to work together. Let us rid the world of hatred and extremism that produces such nihilistic violence."


After hearing the President's apolgy tours, I and II, I vastly prefer Hillary's version.

576 BignJames  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:28:50pm

re: #574 Killian Bundy


Seen Iceferret this evening?

577 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:29:14pm

re: #554 Killian Bundy

You can most likely make more money in GMCR than gold.

/as of options expiration Friday, I've already cashed in on it twice, so far, and it setting up again at a $62.03 buy point

I tried to invest in a Blue Mountain Coffee gig in Portland Jamaica...it didn't work out for a variety of reasons...the Japanese were buying processed coffee at the time for over $20 US a pound

578 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:29:32pm

re: #572 ArchangelMichael

I've had the misfortune of seeing a number of "documentaries" by conspiracy kooks about the Fed.

It boils down to the belief that the Fed is the source of all evil in America since 1913. The idea was formed secretly by a bunch of "money changers" (Codespeak for Jewish Bankers) at a retreat on Jekyl Island and they used all their influence to ram the Federal Reserve Act through Congress. They believe its unconstitutional for the same reasons the National Banks in the 1800s were. They also believe that our freedoms have been slowly being stripped away bit by bit since the Fed came into being, by design. Control the Nation's money and you control the nation.

Aaron Russo's Freedom to Fascism is an example of one of these documentaries. If you can find it and can stomach watching it, it will explain it. It's one of those Loose Change like documentaries where just about every single thing said or shown on the screen is false or exaggerated to a point of absurdity.

I can't stomach watching that much Bad Craziness. It irritates me to the point where I have to watch something else or I'd put my fist through the screen.

579 Gus 802  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:30:02pm

re: #570 IslandLibertarian

and with every clown make-up kit you get one of these........

/"0" care for the unwashed masses.......

You also need one of these.

And this.

580 ggt  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:30:36pm

re: #572 ArchangelMichael

I've had the misfortune of seeing a number of "documentaries" by conspiracy kooks about the Fed.

It boils down to the belief that the Fed is the source of all evil in America since 1913. The idea was formed secretly by a bunch of "money changers" (Codespeak for Jewish Bankers) at a retreat on Jekyl Island and they used all their influence to ram the Federal Reserve Act through Congress. They believe its unconstitutional for the same reasons the National Banks in the 1800s were. They also believe that our freedoms have been slowly being stripped away bit by bit since the Fed came into being, by design. Control the Nation's money and you control the nation.

Aaron Russo's Freedom to Fascism is an example of one of these documentaries. If you can find it and can stomach watching it, it will explain it. It's one of those Loose Change like documentaries where just about every single thing said or shown on the screen is false or exaggerated to a point of absurdity.

I've heard that the Fed is run by the Rothchild family out of England. What is disturbing about that is that George Soros is tight with the Rothchilds, IIRC.

I don't know enough about the Fed, so when I heard anyone talking as if they know, I simply nod and "oh".

581 David Simon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:30:41pm

re: #571 Killian Bundy

/I sold covered calls

There ya go. I've been selling OEX calls(naked, obviously) for years. Not a get rich quick scheme; just a get rich slow scheme.

582 Gus 802  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:31:00pm

re: #575 realwest

Good post and link my friend. But fairness compels me to add the following:


After hearing the President's apolgy tours, I and II, I vastly prefer Hillary's version.

Roger that.

583 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:31:25pm

re: #575 realwest

Leave it to 0bama for me to actually wish a Clinton- any Clinton- was in office.

584 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:31:50pm

re: #568 MrPaulRevere
Well, long as you except from that statement NY Yankee and NY Giants fanatics, I'm with you!
Seriously, though, it troubles me no end that they see the USA as this Island nation - sitting there alone - and they are perfectly happy with it.
There just isn't any cure for STUPID.

585 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:31:53pm

I'm financially stupid...I coulda been somebody

586 Gus 802  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:32:05pm

re: #583 Fenway_Nation

Leave it to 0bama for me to actually wish a Clinton- any Clinton- was in office.

George Clinton?

//

587 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:32:33pm

re: #576 BignJames

Seen Iceferret this evening?

/not yet, what;s the time in the UK?

588 David Simon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:32:38pm

re: #574 Killian Bundy

/I sell covered calls on everything I can get away with once a month

You should look into selling weekly index options. The premiums are absurd. Even if the market goes against you, you still have a good chance of making money.

589 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:32:39pm

Day-by-Day's sunday edition is just brutal this week.

590 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:32:49pm

re: #586 Gus 802

How could he be any worse?

591 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:33:42pm

re: #585 albusteve


Yea...boo-hoo. Now whatever shall you do with all those krugerrands buried in your backyard?

592 BignJames  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:33:50pm

re: #587 Killian Bundy

/not yet, what;s the time in the UK?


0630....I think.

593 Gus 802  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:34:21pm

re: #590 Fenway_Nation

How could he be any worse?

Could have been an improvement. ;)

594 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:34:48pm

re: #572 ArchangelMichael

But of course...America was this pristine utopia before the evil Federal Reserve was created ///

595 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:35:06pm

re: #569 jcm Hey jcm - that was just a fine damn comment/link. Thank you for that.
And BTW, y'all didn't answer my question: how are you doing this evening?

596 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:35:09pm

re: #585 albusteve

I'm financially stupid...I coulda been somebody

LOL
me too.. I have collected money as a hobby for over 20 years... That means every country in the world i own the coins and paper money..Stupid hobby but it has been fun

597 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:36:59pm

re: #591 Fenway_Nation

Yea...boo-hoo. Now whatever shall you do with all those krugerrands buried in your backyard?

I have no pension, no back up, no excuses...and what I have I don't really know how to manage...it's been fun tho

598 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:37:18pm

re: #586 Gus 802

George Clinton?

//

Clinton would have taken care of Saddam in the 90s.

599 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:38:24pm

re: #594 MrPaulRevere

On a serious note, the Paul supporters want to take us back to a time that never was. Utopian fanatics the lot of them.

600 Sharmuta  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:39:21pm

re: #594 MrPaulRevere

But of course...America was this pristine utopia before the evil Federal Reserve was created ///

Gumdrop Rainbows and lolly-pop flowers.

601 Gus 802  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:39:25pm

re: #598 ArchangelMichael

Clinton would have taken care of Saddam in the 90s.

Woohoo! Nice.

Clinton's ultimatum before Parliament was met with high praise from numerous top-ranking Chocolate City officials, including Secretary of Education Richard Pryor, Secretary of Fine Arts Stevie Wonder and First Lady Aretha Franklin.

"No blood for Funk!"

//

602 ggt  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:39:51pm

re: #599 MrPaulRevere

On a serious note, the Paul supporters want to take us back to a time that never was. Utopian fanatics the lot of them.

Isn't that the truth!

603 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:40:18pm

re: #595 realwest

Hey jcm - that was just a fine damn comment/link. Thank you for that.
And BTW, y'all didn't answer my question: how are you doing this evening?

Doing well, a little ironing, sunday go to meeting clothes for 4 munchkins, finishing off a beer. I wore them out today, got an inflatable wading pool they spent hours splashing around.

Light Rail ($166 million a mile) opened today. Rides are free this weekend, gonna' take the kiddos for a ride tomorrow see what my money bought.

604 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:40:18pm

re: #600 Sharmuta

Gumdrop Rainbows and lolly-pop flowers.

What up girl? Watching movies at 1:30am here...How are you?

605 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:40:22pm

re: #596 HoosierHoops

LOL
me too.. I have collected money as a hobby for over 20 years... That means every country in the world i own the coins and paper money..Stupid hobby but it has been fun

I love America...where there's a will there's a way...I shall endeavor to persevere....

606 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:40:42pm

re: #600 Sharmuta

An era free of the heavy carbon footprints of unicorn farts, to be sure.

607 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:41:37pm

re: #596 HoosierHoops

LOL
me too.. I have collected money as a hobby for over 20 years... That means every country in the world i own the coins and paper money..Stupid hobby but it has been fun

I did that for a while as a kid, still have some Russian uncirculated paper currency from around 1908.

608 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:41:56pm

re: #601 Gus 802

"No blood for Funk!"

//

That's been my favorite Onion article for 11 years now.

"For Saddam Hussein to refuse to let U.N. officials inspect Iraqi weapons facilities as per the terms of Iraq's 1991 Gulf War surrender is decidedly unfunky of him," Clinton said. "While the decision to drop Da Bomb is never an easy one, unless Saddam gets down with this whole U.N.-inspection thang and seriously refunkatizes his stance by March 1, we will have no choice but to tear the roof off Baghdad."

609 Gus 802  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:43:32pm

re: #608 ArchangelMichael

That's been my favorite Onion article for 11 years now.

"For Saddam Hussein to refuse to let U.N. officials inspect Iraqi weapons facilities as per the terms of Iraq's 1991 Gulf War surrender is decidedly unfunky of him," Clinton said. "While the decision to drop Da Bomb is never an easy one, unless Saddam gets down with this whole U.N.-inspection thang and seriously refunkatizes his stance by March 1, we will have no choice but to tear the roof off Baghdad."

Refunkatizes!

That's a keeper. That Onion video from this morning was hilarious.

610 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:43:33pm

re: #606 Fenway_Nation

An era free of the heavy carbon footprints of unicorn farts, to be sure.

Didn't you hear? Unicorns fart rainbows, not methane.

///

611 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:44:11pm

re: #607 jcm

I did that for a while as a kid, still have some Russian uncirculated paper currency from around 1908.

I have an 1885 silver dollar!...can I hang out with you guys?

612 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:45:12pm

re: #611 albusteve

I have an 1885 silver dollar!...can I hang out with you guys?

Sure, I can have the coin.

/kidding

613 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:45:16pm

'til later guys!

614 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:45:31pm

re: #612 Dark_Falcon

Sure, if I can have the coin.

/kidding

PIMF

615 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:45:32pm

re: #607 jcm

I did that for a while as a kid, still have some Russian uncirculated paper currency from around 1908.

Ok I'm ate up about money.. I collect it.all of it...I'm looking at a coin Walter sent me...A Roman Coin from 306AD in the Constantine Era....A beautiful small coin....

616 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:45:46pm

re: #572 ArchangelMichael

Side note on the whole "money changers" thing. I've always been puzzled by people who carry on about "money changers" in a damning manner. I've heard Pat Robertson do it on his show several times, as well as hearing some of my hyper-religious relatives do so many times (I assume they got it from crazy Pat).

Let's say for a moment that it isn't code for "Jew Bankers". Anyone who has ever visited a foreign country has almost certainly used the services of one of those "evil money changers". Seems rather misleading, or at least stupid and hypocritical, for folks who have traveled abroad on many occasions to condemn "money changers" the way they do.

617 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:46:09pm

re: #611 albusteve

I have an 1885 silver dollar!...can I hang out with you guys?

Grandpa collected coins, those are in the safe. there is a hand full of 2½ dollar gold coins, bank rolls of uncirculated coins form the 30's and other stuff.

618 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:46:13pm

re: #603 jcm
Well I'm sure glad that you are doing so well my friend!
Y'all got a photo of those little muchkins in their Sunday go to meeting clothes? I'll bet they are all cute as heck!

619 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:47:05pm

re: #615 HoosierHoops


I have a silver Italian coin from 1875....that's about as far back as my 'collection'- for lack of a better term- goes.

620 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:47:49pm

re: #616 Slumbering Behemoth

I think it has to do with this: "If its complicated and I can't understand how it works, it must therefore be sinister in some way."

621 sngnsgt  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:47:51pm
622 Sharmuta  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:48:06pm

re: #604 HoosierHoops

What up girl? Watching movies at 1:30am here...How are you?

I'm watching Arrested Development over at Hulu, Hon.

623 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:48:39pm

re: #617 jcm

Grandpa collected coins, those are in the safe. there is a hand full of 2½ dollar gold coins, bank rolls of uncirculated coins form the 30's and other stuff.

mine has a 22 long embedded in it...I won a bet target shooting

624 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:49:13pm

re: #616 Slumbering Behemoth

Anyone who has ever collected interest from a bank account is a magnificent hypocrite if they bitch about 'money changers', and I suspect Pat Robertson has made plenty from interest income.

625 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:50:10pm

re: #617 jcm

Grandpa collected coins, those are in the safe. there is a hand full of 2½ dollar gold coins, bank rolls of uncirculated coins form the 30's and other stuff.

wowza!...my grandpa collected empty Scotch bottles

626 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:50:29pm

re: #617 jcm

My father worked in a bank in the 70's- after they stopped minting coins with silver content, but there were still plenty of them in circulation. He'd set aside a bunch of pocket change and when he came across any silver coins, he'd pocket it and replace it with his change...

Apparently there's a bunch of them sitting around in a safety depost box somewhere.

627 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:50:57pm

re: #616 Slumbering Behemoth Ah that's the trouble right there Slumbering Behemoth - "money changers" = Jews to those folks.

628 esch  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:51:24pm

Hey all.

629 albusteve  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:51:39pm

re: #619 Fenway_Nation

I have a silver Italian coin from 1875....that's about as far back as my 'collection'- for lack of a better term- goes.

Bunky Hunt hid all the silver

630 realwest  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:52:37pm

Well y'all it's really late for me, I just have to go to bed!
I do hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!


Good night, all.

631 jcm  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:54:08pm

re: #618 realwest

Well I'm sure glad that you are doing so well my friend!
Y'all got a photo of those little muchkins in their Sunday go to meeting clothes? I'll bet they are all cute as heck!

On they way..... ;-)

632 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:54:25pm

re: #620 ArchangelMichael

Maybe. I just don't get some of the hyper-religious folks. If "money changers" are truly an evil abomination in the eyes of their god, why would they travel abroad when it almost surely necessitates exchanging their currency at one of these "money changers".

I guess foolish propaganda is only meant to make sense to fools.

633 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:54:46pm

Good night my friend...Going upstairs

634 BignJames  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:55:45pm

re: #621 sngnsgt

This is fun:

Barack Obama Quote Generator

You have created a monster.

"These people haven't had kindness for fifty years. So you can't be surprised if they get bitter and cling to their assholes and their fucking assholes and their mother fucking assholes. That's what my campaign is about. Teaching all the little people in this country that they can have my brothers."

635 swamprat  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:56:31pm

re: #616 Slumbering Behemoth
If you were a jew from "out of town", and you wanted to give a sacrifice in Jerusalem, the only coin that was "kosher" was the local currency. But never fear! There were these guys hanging about willing to help you by trading your foreign script for the kind the priests would accept.(For a small phenomenal fee) And these guys, helping you to be "kosher"; why they were so helpful and holy, they even worked on the sabbath.
They later reincarnated to be NY taxi drivers.

636 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 10:59:36pm

re: #627 realwest

I suppose, but my hyper-religious relatives who parrot that idiotic talking point support Israel, and have nothing against the Jewish people.

Sure, some of them do think that Jews will got to hell for not accepting Jesus as the son of God, but they certainly do not consider Jews to be the "root of all evil".

Why some parrot this "money changer" garbage perplexes me.

637 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 11:00:18pm

re: #632 Slumbering Behemoth

I guess foolish propaganda is only meant to make sense to fools.

Exactly and fools are legion.

638 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 11:04:16pm

re: #635 swamprat

Right. But all they are doing is converting foreign currency (yours) to the local currency (theirs). Hardly an evil worth condemning. Of course, if the fee for exchange is outrageous, then that is dishonest and exploitative. But nothing different is happening there then is happening all over the world when folks travel abroad.

639 ggt  Sat, Jul 18, 2009 11:12:34pm

re: #636 Slumbering Behemoth

I suppose, but my hyper-religious relatives who parrot that idiotic talking point support Israel, and have nothing against the Jewish people.

Sure, some of them do think that Jews will got to hell for not accepting Jesus as the son of God, but they certainly do not consider Jews to be the "root of all evil".

Why some parrot this "money changer" garbage perplexes me.

I think you are probably right.

I think there is alot of propaganda regarding money in all circles. Right now Capitalism is under seige in all forms. Historically, it is usury that is considered bad/evil.

It's a fine line that has no definite definition beyond the legal terms of the financial world. What is making a "fair" profit and what is greed?

In a Socialistic context, all profit is greed. Yet there is more corruption and less accountability in a socialist system.


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