It's way past time they all shut the hell up.

I have no clue about this. Is anyone really this stupid?

nirther idiots! Can this Monday get any worse?

re: #3 cathypop

nirther idiots! Can this Monday get any worse?

Yes. So please stop inviting it!

Obama was born... I thought he was hatched in some democratic gene splicing experiment where all the worst parts of the liberal psyche were extracted in placed in him...

//

Another twilight zone episode

I despair sometimes.

re: #5 taxfreekiller

ya, Obama health care could pass

NNNOOO!

re: #6 MikeAlv77

Obama was born... I thought he was hatched in some democratic gene splicing experiment where all the worst parts of the liberal psyche were extracted in placed in him...

//

Another twilight zone episode

Buddha, they say, was hatched from an egg. What a terrible responsibility for the hen-wife.

re: #2 Dianna

Sadly, yes.

re: #3 cathypop

It's like my Grandmother used to tell me.

"Smile, things could get worse" she would say. So I smiled. And you know what?
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Things got worse!

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Sadly, yes.

Oh, well. Only this morning, I was reminded that stupidity is the most common element in the Universe.

ha, peebo - never heard that one before.

...better to be thought of as a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt...

re: #7 scottishbuzzsaw

I despair sometimes.

Scotti - so do I. These people are not rational.

Nithers are the new troofers.

Let's get the Troofers, Nirthers, Moonies and Code Pink in a small confined place, get them drunk and ask them to yell out why their opinion is most important. Then sit back and watch. From the other side of a window.

In a related story - I read today on another blog that Whoopi Goldberg is a moon landing truther. Doesn't surprise me.

re: #3 cathypop

nirther idiots! Can this Monday get any worse?

wait until wednesday...[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

re: #2 Dianna

I have no clue about this. Is anyone really this stupid?

It could be raining.

re: #3 cathypop

nirther idiots! Can this Monday get any worse?

It already has.

The *spit* Moon landing denialists *spit* are naturally out in droves today, with a notably large infestation at Free Republic.

Moon hoaxery has yet to take on a solid political dimension but given the rabid anti-science and general stupidity of certain factions in the GOP, I would not be surprised if it soon does. How long before a GOP candidate or some minor office holder decides to test the waters with some choice weasel words, they might "support an investigation" because "questions have been raised"?

This would be pretty ironic historically, not that I would expect these idiots to know anything at all about that "suspect" field of study. At the time, of course, it was the political and cultural left that attacked Apollo, though few outside the drug culture were so foolish as to deny that it had happened at all.
I specifically remember the conformist hordes at some big pop festival booing and jeering when the news of the Moon landing was announced. (I thought for years that this was the Newport Jazz Festival but that can't be right because the 1969 NJF was a few days earlier than the Moon landing.)

This is beating a dead horse. Maybe these people are the "real America" Sarah Palin talks about in her speeches, how in the world does this help any body's cause who opposes the size of government, the cost of welfare programs like social security (reform that and the deficits disappear) or any of the thousand issues those who can tell you who Edmund Burke was (10% of the Republican Party?),,,

re: #17 Cannadian Club Akbar

Let's get the Troofers, Nirthers, Moonies and Code Pink in a small confined place, get them drunk and ask them to yell out why their opinion is most important. Then sit back and watch. From the other side of a window.

I could watch that for hours.

re: #16 KenJen

Nithers are the new troofers.

I suspect them of being a sub-set.

The Troofers are still around, and still making us do face palms.

re: #17 Cannadian Club Akbar

With a huge bucket of popcorn and a video camera.

re: #3 cathypop

nirther idiots! Can this Monday get any worse?

Oh, sure..
US Bill for Bank Bailouts Could Be Huge

Neil Barofsky, the inspector general for the TARP, said in a report to Congress that Treasury's inaction means taxpayers have not been told what the financial institutions that have received assistance are doing with the money.

Not one person boo'd her LOL They all applauded LOL.

Ya gotta laugh really!

You want insanity Charles? How about all the New Yorkers who think that 9/11 was a conspiracy - even among the millions who saw this first hand and in person and who smelled the rancid and metallic smoke from Ground Zero for months following the collapse of the towers, not knowing when the other shoe would drop.

It's so much easier to believe in the cold comfort of a conspiracy theory than to believe that Obama was duly elected. The same goes for 9/11 or the moon landings, or the JFK assassination, etc. Trying to wrap your head around those incredible events just doesn't work for the conspiracy nuts. Instead, they spend all their time trying to perpetuate the conspiracies - and it isn't a coincidence that those who believe in one conspiracy subscribe to others.

It's the nutters version of the GUT (grand unified theory of everything).

Nirthers, Ronulans, and Pat Buchanan, oh my!

9/11 troofers, nirthers, moon landing conspiracists all seem to be cut from the same cloth.

And they're all nuts.

re: #19 Mad Al-Jaffee

Wha...? That's just idiotic.

Boy That woman in the video was wack..

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel

When Ali G interviewed Buzz Aldrin, one of the questions he asked was something like "What do you say to all of them people who think the moon don't exist?"

It's one of my Favorite Ali G segments.

re: #26 BlueCanuck

With a huge bucket of popcorn and a video camera.

And booze.

Barack Obama and his advisors are playing these folks like a one stringed Chicago fiddle.

Poor Representative Castle. Some days, being a politician is a really tough gig.

re: #23 Kobyashi Maru

I would like to point out that surveys demonstrating the truly remarkable ignorance of the public are as old as surveys. I don't care who does or does not know who Edmund Burke was; I care about injecting irrationality into the public debate.

Troofers and Nirth Certifikat types are doing the latter, and they worry me.

Hey maybe this is really a setup by the Obama people to keep the press and MSM and the people across the country preoccupied while he takes over like Krang in the Simpsons! If these people are all hung up on his citizenship than they have no time to get involved in real issues...

I just wish Rep. Castle had said to that woman: "Excuse me ma'am, could you be so kind as to pull your head out of your ass? The audio tech tells me we've got a feedback problem here."

re: #38 taxfreekiller

Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schummer, Dennis Kinasinitch, Henry Wackman, oh, oh, my.

Don't worry. They are all under our Commander in Chief. Oh, wait . . .

so...they can't keep CIA programs secret that could hurt our national security because the dems want to offer cover to Nancy Pelosi...but, they can get their guy elected and cover up that he's Kenyan?

Is there in the history of conspiracy theories a single one that turned out being true? Just one?

re: #36 Ringo the Gringo

Barack Obama and his advisors are playing these folks like a one stringed Chicago fiddle.

I updinged you, even though I should have down-dinged you for promoting conspiracist thinking!

Proof of the adage-- "The Harder You Try- The Dumber You Look". Just because you scream louder than anyone else does not make you right.

re: #19 Mad Al-Jaffee

In a related story - I read today on another blog that Whoopi Goldberg is a moon landing truther. Doesn't surprise me.

Not surprised. With the progress being made (at last) in non-government space flight, we might well see a private colony on the Moon or perhaps an asteroid within our lifetimes; if not in mine then certainly within that of the younger Lizards. Idiots like Goldberg and her slack-jawed audience will be left behind, and deservedly so.
At rock bottom that is the whole idea of spaceflight in my mind, leave the semi-evolved sound-biters and consumer units to stew in their own self-created hell.

re: #44 Pianobuff

Is there in the history of conspiracy theories a single one that turned out being true? Just one?

John Wilkes Booth and company?

Could it be that this is just the manifestation of latent racism? "He's black and POTUS, must be a conspiracy!" Just came to mind.

re: #44 Pianobuff

Is there in the history of conspiracy theories a single one that turned out being true? Just one?

...moon landing filmed in the Nevada dessert? My college roommate had a grandma that swore that was true...

You mean to tell me that there is absolutely nothing peebo can do to put this issue to rest?

re: #6 MikeAlv77

Obama was born... I thought he was hatched in some democratic gene splicing experiment where all the worst parts of the liberal psyche were extracted in placed in him...

//

Another twilight zone episode

I thought that was "Star Trek" TOS-- with the transporter accident that split Kirk into two different persons (one that could act and the regular Shatner)

re: #43 charpete67

so...they can't keep CIA programs secret that could hurt our national security because the dems want to offer cover to Nancy Pelosi...but, they can get their guy elected and cover up that he's Kenyan?

That's the Achilles heel of conspiracy theories... too many people have to be involved in keeping "the secret" for keeping "the secret" to be possible. Someone, somewhere, would talk.

Government conspiracies? The government is so incompetent that only the private sector matches it a la The Office...could Michael Scott cover anything up from Pam..I'd also like to see one conspiracy that ever succeeded...but then again maybe we don't know of the successful ones

/

Maybe a complete economic collapse isn't such a bad idea.

When folks are worried about where dinner is going to come from, they won't have time for BULLSHIT like this!

It's time to restore a right of passage ceremony. When a young man is 16 dump his ass somewhere in the wilderness with nothing more than a small knife. He's got one week to get back. Or a tour in the Marines.

Something to FOCUS the mind.

Troofers, and nirthers suffer from a lack of focus, we no longer teach first principals, logic is too rigorous for young skulls full of mush. We've got large part a entire generation who simply cannot think or focus in a logical, rational manner, who cannot focus on priorities.

Not to excuse the Nirthers, but a large part of the core of the Dem party is every bit as crazy - they just don't get the kind of press that the Rep crazies get.

re: #44 Pianobuff

Is there in the history of conspiracy theories a single one that turned out being true? Just one?

I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll. Sorry 'bout that.

re: #53 eschew_obfuscation

That's the Achilles heel of conspiracy theories... too many people have to be involved in keeping "the secret" for keeping "the secret" to be possible. Someone, somewhere, would talk.

...and too many people from both sides of the isle with different axes to grind...not to mention the "death bed" remorseful confessions.

The last thing Obama wants is for these folk give up. The more they scream and yell about the birth certificate, the more Obama's supporters can focus attention on those "crazy, paranoid Republicans".

These poor, clueless boobs are playing right into Obama's hands.

OK... answered my own question

Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out Being True

Haven't read this yet, but figures there would be a blog dedicated to the topic.

re: #49 mrbaracuda

No.

re: #48 midwestgak

Because they tried to kill everyone in one night-- pretty damned obvious. There's a host of British and French assassination attempt conspiracies as well.

But., Oswald acted alone. We landed on the Moon five times. 9/11 was an act of terrorism and BHO was born in Hawaii and is a US Citizen. Period.

re: #45 Dianna

Thanks, I think.

re: #50 charpete67

...moon landing filmed in the Nevada dessert? My college roommate had a grandma that swore that was true...

Grandma: "Hey!! Is that a Stuckey's there in the background?!"

re: #59 Ringo the Gringo

The last thing Obama wants is for these folk give up. The more they scream and yell about the birth certificate, the more Obama's supporters can focus attention on those "crazy, paranoid Republicans".

These poor, clueless boobs are playing right into Obama's hands.

Don't think that goes unnoticed by everybody else.

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel

Not surprised. With the progress being made (at last) in non-government space flight, we might well see a private colony on the Moon or perhaps an asteroid within our lifetimes; if not in mine then certainly within that of the younger Lizards. Idiots like Goldberg and her slack-jawed audience will be left behind, and deservedly so.
At rock bottom that is the whole idea of spaceflight in my mind, leave the semi-evolved sound-biters and consumer units to stew in their own self-created hell.

And given the source of your nic, they might just be lizards.

re: #60 Pianobuff

OK... answered my own question

Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out Being True

Haven't read this yet, but figures there would be a blog dedicated to the topic.

...I forgot about the The second Catiline conspiracy...

re: #57 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll. Sorry 'bout that.

No--the "Babushka Lady" had dual .45's in her breasts.

re: #44 Pianobuff

Is there in the history of conspiracy theories a single one that turned out being true? Just one?

There have been a lot of conspiracies and a lot of secrets, but I know of no conspiracy that:
a. allegedly involved massive numbers of people and organizationaly un-related agencies.
and
b. Was maintained for decades on end in the face of purported public exposure.
and
C. That later proved to be real.

re: #64 subsailor68

Grandma: "Hey!! Is that a Stuckey's there in the background?!"

u made me laugh out loud...and I'm not even sure what Stuckey's is...

re: #61 Dianna

Why not? Not for all of course, but having spent time on Truthers it's not so far fetched mind you. For them a part of their belief is "Arabs in their caves are too dumb to.." Ah well, what do I care.

re: #69 taxfreekiller

Notwithstanding the 3% insane within our U.S.A. .

Congressional Democrats just voted down a Republican amendment to the
Obama health care bill that would require that none of our tax money would go to treat illegals in the Govt. system.
Democrat leaders and Obama will spendthrift all your tax money on shit like this.

The real ball is being kick around as you observe the loon fringe who have no power to spend your country into bankruptcy in 3 more years.

Democrat leaders have the power and are out and about with the work.

They'd lose almost 30% of the 40 million uninsured if they cut out the illegals.

re: #71 charpete67

u made me laugh out loud...and I'm not even sure what Stuckey's is...

although I'm sure I would know it if I saw one...

re: #63 Ringo the Gringo

Thanks, I think.

Really - I thought that was a marvellously rueful comment, and liked it. But I don't think Obama or his advisors have a thing to do with this stupidity.

It looks to me like, well, a fine example of incurable stupidity.

"You can be told the truth a thousand times, and it will make no difference if you will not believe it."

re: #69 taxfreekiller

Notwithstanding the 3% insane within our U.S.A. .

Congressional Democrats just voted down a Republican amendment to the
Obama health care bill that would require that none of our tax money would go to treat illegals in the Govt. system.
Democrat leaders and Obama will spendthrift all your tax money on shit like this.

The real ball is being kick around as you observe the loon fringe who have no power to spend your country into bankruptcy in 3 more years.

Democrat leaders have the power and are out and about with the work.

There is still some talk that the Blue Dogs may split and try to work on something with the Rs.

re: #71 charpete67

u made me laugh out loud...and I'm not even sure what Stuckey's is...

Heh, here's Stuckey's!

re: #68 calcajun

No--the "Babushka Lady" had dual .45's in her breasts.

In the Watchmen movie, it was The Comedian.

For all you iphone users.. Today only you can download for free the sky Voyager software.. to celebrate the moon landing:
[Link: www.carinasoft.com...]

While I think the nirther nonsense is a complete waste of time, besides being an insult to my intelligence, I would say that there was more to this meeting between this congressman and his constituents. He was blasted for his affirmative vote on, "cap and trade." He was blasted for his presumed affirmative stance on Nationalized Health Care. I believe that this illustrates the Republican base disillusionment with the current direction of the Republican party trying to become Democrat lite. I hope a real leader steps up soon, and save us from the likes of Ron Paul, or the Huckster.

re: #77 subsailor68

Heh, here's Stuckey's!

again...very nice...

re: #77 subsailor68

Heh, here's Stuckey's!

Is it just a coincidence that that website also mentions Burma Shave ads?

re: #82 Mad Al-Jaffee

Is it just a coincidence that that website also mentions Burma Shave ads?

Nope. It's a conspiracy!!

:-)

re: #70 Shiplord Kirel

There have been a lot of conspiracies and a lot of secrets, but I know of no conspiracy that:
a. allegedly involved massive numbers of people and organizationaly un-related agencies.
and
b. Was maintained for decades on end in the face of purported public exposure.
and
C. That later proved to be real.

But what about the so called "moon landings"?

///

It all began with fluoride in the water supply. We must restore the purity of our bodily fluids!

Ha! Entirely appropriate! Futility!

re: #80 Flyovercountry

While I think the nirther nonsense is a complete waste of time, besides being an insult to my intelligence, I would say that there was more to this meeting between this congressman and his constituents. He was blasted for his affirmative vote on, "cap and trade." He was blasted for his presumed affirmative stance on Nationalized Health Care. I believe that this illustrates the Republican base disillusionment with the current direction of the Republican party trying to become Democrat lite. I hope a real leader steps up soon, and save us from the likes of Ron Paul, or the Huckster.

...and all that other stuff is water under the bridge because a Nirther distracted those who were there to discuss real issues. If you spot one, don't let her get her hand on the mike.

re: #31 JammieWearingFool

9/11 troofers, nirthers, moon landing conspiracists all seem to be cut from the same cloth.

And they're all nuts.

As is belief in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Bilderbergers, the Tri-lateral Com, the Illuminati, etc.
The belief in conspiracy runs deep.
Also, see Richard J. Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style of American Politics.

re: #78 Mad Al-Jaffee

In the Watchmen movie, it was The Comedian.

Which comes out tomorrow on DVD. Rorschach was the man.

re: #55 jcm

It's time to restore a right of passage ceremony. When a young man is 16 dump his ass somewhere in the wilderness with nothing more than a small knife.

"Aren't you one of the guys?"
"What guys?"
"You know, those guys with skills? They can go into the wilderness with a Q-Tip and a pocket knife and build you a shopping mall!"
~~Six Days, Seven Nights

re: #87 wrenchwench

...and all that other stuff is water under the bridge because a Nirther distracted those who were there to discuss real issues. If you spot one, don't let her get her hand on the mike.

But how do we spot them? Half the folks who show up for a congress-critter's town meeting look like they need a keeper!

why am I seeing so much right bashing here lately ?

it's not as if the new Hillary apology tour is not worthy of a thread
plenty to discuss there
like, if not for American progress, the Indian @#$%'s would not have grown to over a billion in population
if not for American...we'd be speaking German, etc...

Spike Lee bringing up the race card, why not balance Pat Robertson's thread with a Spike Lee piece ?

plenty of American dying in Afghanistan, we need a body count under 0bama like the left did under Bush
(ok, that may be stretching it...)

but I think there is plenty of idiotarian fodder around
instead of picking on Drudge, who's headlines do not give "me" the impression of anything false, sensational - sure, but not false, the little ... say there is more to the story

Don't forget about Franken winning the election...huge fraud...hard to believe that no one has stepped forward.

re: #85 The Curmudgeon

It all began with fluoride in the water supply. We must restore the purity of our bodily fluids!

Gentlemen, there's no fighting in the War Room!

re: #88 MJ

As is belief in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Bilderbergers, the Tri-lateral Com, the Illuminati, etc.
The belief in conspiracy runs deep.
Also, see Richard J. Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style of American Politics.

I see you conviently failed to mention the Pentaverate. I find that very suspicious.

re: #91 Dianna

But how do we spot them? Half the folks who show up for a congress-critter's town meeting look like they need a keeper!

Unfortunately, it takes work. One has to go to boring meetings on a regular basis and see who says what.

re: #92 Adrenalyn

You sound ready to start your own blog!

re: #92 Adrenalyn

Right bashing?

Calling out people for being stupid over the sliced ham non-story is bashing?
Calling out the 'nirthers for being morons is bashing?
Calling out the fascists is bashing?
Calling out various kookery such as young-earth creationism, troofers, and conspiracy theorists is bashing?

Funny, I could've sworn this was an anti-idiotarian site, and all the above are examples of idiotarianisms.

re: #70 Shiplord Kirel

There have been a lot of conspiracies and a lot of secrets, but I know of no conspiracy that:
a. allegedly involved massive numbers of people and organizationaly un-related agencies.
and
b. Was maintained for decades on end in the face of purported public exposure.
and
C. That later proved to be real.

Enigma might qualify.

re: #23 Kobyashi Maru

Kobayashi.

re: #97 wrenchwench

You sound ready to start your own blog!

no, but to be "fair"
Charles picks on a Drudge link as riducle fodder
then links to another in agreement

he should maybe give credit to Drudge for exposing the "birthbots" (copyright, me)
is all I am saying

re: #99 Son of the Black Dog

Enigma might qualify.

The people involved were mathematicians. No one could understand what they were talking about.

re: #92 Adrenalyn

why am I seeing so much right bashing here lately ?

If you want to identify the "right" as a bunch of conspiracy-spouting morons, go right ahead.

re: #75 Dianna

Really - I thought that was a marvellously rueful comment, and liked it. But I don't think Obama or his advisors have a thing to do with this stupidity.

It looks to me like, well, a fine example of incurable stupidity.

Of course you're right, but why would President Obama want to set the record straight when it's works much more to his advantage to let these folks continue to make fools of themselves in public?

re: #100 haakondahl

Kobayashi.

Dont bother. You can't win.

/

re: #98 Honorary Yooper

Right bashing?

Calling out people for being stupid over the sliced ham non-story is bashing?
Calling out the 'nirthers for being morons is bashing?
Calling out the fascists is bashing?
Calling out various kookery such as young-earth creationism, troofers, and conspiracy theorists is bashing?

Funny, I could've sworn this was an anti-idiotarian site, and all the above are examples of idiotarianisms.

Well said, HY...

An announcement I'd love to see:

"Ladies and gentleman, please wait for the microphone before asking your question. Be advised, these mikes have been programmed to deliver a non-lethal, but really painful electric shock if they detect any of the following words: Kenya, birth certificate, moon, landings, conspiracy, steel, fire, can't melt, CIA, second shooter, grassy knoll, or tuna fish. We're not really sure why that last one's there, but just to be on the safe side, please avoid that as well."

re: #98 Honorary Yooper

Right bashing?

Calling out people for being stupid over the sliced ham non-story is bashing?
Calling out the 'nirthers for being morons is bashing?
Calling out the fascists is bashing?
Calling out various kookery such as young-earth creationism, troofers, and conspiracy theorists is bashing?

Funny, I could've sworn this was an anti-idiotarian site, and all the above are examples of idiotarianisms.

I agree for the most part except the Drudge headline
I don't see anything really outrageous about it

IMHO, he is simply showing the waste in the stimulous
with some examples
I did not even subconciously think he was being deceiptful in those headlines

but that's just me I guess
I don't have to read the story to see his point
lots of waste

First, I couldn't imagine how Rep. Mike Castle felt while being confronted by a nirther with such an intensity. As usual they tend to go to extremes and this birth certificate "issue" should be put to rest.

Second, it's interesting to note that Rep. Mike Castle (R-Delaware) was one of eight Republican congressmen that voted for the Waxman-Markey Cap-and-Trade Bill.

Mary Bono-Mack, R-CA
Mike Castle, R-DE
Mark Kirk, R-IL
Dave Reichert, R-WA
Leonard Lance, R-NJ
Frank LoBiondo, R-NJ
John M. McHugh, R-NY
Chris Smith, R-NJ

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dont bother. You can't win.

/

I don't believe in the no-win situation.

re: #77 subsailor68

Heh, here's Stuckey's!

Hey there SS, that site said something about Burma Shave too. I didn't bother to ask earlier but what is the significance of that here at LGF?

I think now is the time to throw out a gratuitous "Bush Won"...

re: #111 turn

Hey there SS, that site said something about Burma Shave too. I didn't bother to ask earlier but what is the significance of that here at LGF?

If we tell you, we'll have to kill you!

*cue ominous music*

re: #60 Pianobuff

OK... answered my own question

Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out Being True

Haven't read this yet, but figures there would be a blog dedicated to the topic.

When you read it, discount the "Smallpox blanket genocide". It was a Hoax, made up entirely by our friend Ward Churchill.

I think now is the time to throw out a gratuitous "Gore Won"...sorry, meant Gore

re: #107 subsailor68

Why tuna fish? :O

re: #109 Gus 802

First, I couldn't imagine how Rep. Mike Castle felt while being confronted by a nirther with such an intensity. As usual they tend to go to extremes and this birth certificate "issue" should be put to rest.

Second, it's interesting to note that Rep. Mike Castle (R-Delaware) was one of eight Republican congressmen that voted for the Waxman-Markey Cap-and-Trade Bill.

Oh my... should I even dare say serves him right?

re: #111 turn

Hey there SS, that site said something about Burma Shave too. I didn't bother to ask earlier but what is the significance of that here at LGF?

Hi turn!! I'm not really sure either, but taxfreekiller likes to make up Burma Shave signs, so that may be it.

re: #110 Honorary Yooper

I don't believe in the no-win situation.

I simply redefine the conditions for winning.

re: #108 Adrenalyn

I agree for the most part except the Drudge headline
I don't see anything really outrageous about it

IMHO, he is simply showing the waste in the stimulous
with some examples
I did not even subconciously think he was being deceiptful in those headlines

but that's just me I guess
I don't have to read the story to see his point
lots of waste

Funny, but $500,000 for a traffic signal installation, and $1.50/lb for pre-sliced, cooked ham seem like pretty fair uses for our money. Especially the deal on the ham. Wish I could get it that cheap.

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But what about the so called "moon landings"?

///

No doubt you are referring to the widespread claim that Hitler was spirited away to the Moon by Nazi rocket science as the Red Army closed in. Some allege that von Braun and his team simply duplicated this feat at gunpoint for the backward Americans. There is debate over whether the Fuhrer is still alive in his Moon habitat, having lived to 120 because of the invigorating effects of 1/6 gravity.
I am not making this up but I am too lazy to google it and supply a link; and Charles might not allow it anyway.

There is also a claim that British team reached the Moon even earlier but the program was shut down because Indian scientists had been heavily involved and the powers that be were afraid of undermining European supremacy.

re: #116 mrbaracuda

Why tuna fish? :O

Heh. Just thought it'd be fun to end the list with something stupid. Oh, wait, the whole list meets that requirement!

;-)

re: #117 Pianobuff

Oh my... should I even dare say serves him right?

Don't ask me. :)

re: #120 Honorary Yooper

Funny, but $500,000 for a traffic signal installation, and $1.50/lb for pre-sliced, cooked ham seem like pretty fair uses for our money. Especially the deal on the ham. Wish I could get it that cheap.

so was Drudge lying that Food Lion has the ham at half that price ?

THAT would be worthy of a thread, if he were outright lying

re: #104 Ringo the Gringo

Of course you're right, but why would President Obama want to set the record straight when it's works much more to his advantage to let these folks continue to make fools of themselves in public?

It really would make absolutely no difference, you know. Obama could personally come to each and every 'nirther's home with his full, caligraphed, gold-sealed birth certificate, including his tiny baby footprint, and they'd still claim it was a forgery.

re: #6 MikeAlv77

Obama was born... I thought he was hatched in some democratic gene splicing experiment where all the worst parts of the liberal psyche were extracted in placed in him...

//

Another twilight zone episode

I thought he was Nyarlathotep.

I couldn't watch that video. The urge to scream would have been too great.

There are three words that should send a chill down any "nirther's" spine (and anyone else's too) and end this waste of time: President Joe Biden. 'snuff said

re: #124 Adrenalyn

so was Drudge lying that Food Lion has the ham at half that price ?

THAT would be worthy of a thread, if he were outright lying

When I clicked on Drudge's link for the Food Lion ad, nothing came up.

re: #128 Rexatosis

That's a good one.

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

No doubt you are referring to the widespread claim that Hitler was spirited away to the Moon by Nazi rocket science as the Red Army closed in. Some allege that von Braun and his team simply duplicated this feat at gunpoint for the backward Americans. There is debate over whether the Fuhrer is still alive in his Moon habitat, having lived to 120 because of the invigorating effects of 1/6 gravity.
I am not making this up but I am too lazy to google it and supply a link; and Charles might not allow it anyway.

There is also a claim that British team reached the Moon even earlier but the program was shut down because Indian scientists had been heavily involved and the powers that be were afraid of undermining European supremacy.

Actually, I was referring to the ancient Mayan Pyramid that Buzz Aldrin found.

re: #79 HoosierHoops

For all you iphone users.. Today only you can download for free the sky Voyager software.. to celebrate the moon landing:
[Link: www.carinasoft.com...]

cool, that link is going to the boys right now. I was playing with turnspawn's iphone Saturday, those things are just way too cool. He's never hiked half dome so we were using google earth to check it out and try and find a campground next month. If you rock the iphone back and forth in google earth it even changes perspective. I'm going to break down and get one of those some day.

re: #114 Buck

When you read it, discount the "Smallpox blanket genocide". It was a Hoax, made up entirely by our friend Ward Churchill.

So a better title would be "Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out Being True, Some of Which Might Not Actually Be True After All".

This has probably been discussed before, but there seems to be some basic human instinct to want to look for a hidden, sinister cause behind every bad thing that happens. Perhaps the flip side of the need to credit divine providence or the intercession of angels for good things that happen.

re: #124 Adrenalyn

so was Drudge lying that Food Lion has the ham at half that price ?

THAT would be worthy of a thread, if he were outright lying

BTW, is this the "deal" you're talking about?

re: #92 Adrenalyn

You seem to want a balance like there are two sides to these stories.

Instead of needing all Charles' threads to be right, wouldn't it be better if they were correct?

re: #120 Honorary Yooper

Funny, but $500,000 for a traffic signal installation, and $1.50/lb for pre-sliced, cooked ham seem like pretty fair uses for our money. Especially the deal on the ham. Wish I could get it that cheap.

They are regular budget items. They're not stimulus and don't belong in any "package."

Subsailor hit on it earlier - it's a shell game to move normal budgetary items onto different books and then produce a budget full of "savings."

What political party would you say allows more idealogical diversity, Republican or Democrat?

Right now there's a part of Republican party that's knee-deep in "self-policing" mode.

Creationists? Out!
Christians? Out!
Birthers? Out!
etc.

Meanwhile, the democrat party is home to everyone from moderate liberals to raving moonbats. And we're wondering how Obama could have possibly gotten elected. Good luck guys.

troofers? nirthers? I'd be interested in seeing a legit certificate, not a substitute. i've heard say that if there wasn't one hillary would have found out, did she find out there was one and passed? I have no doubt this is a deliberate move to wreck America, nobama and there are some very smart, and very dark, people supporting this. Whats so hard about presenting one? I have one or two at home as I bet most of you do to. i'm not a troofer or a nirther, just a curious citizen.

re: #113 Mad Al-Jaffee

If we tell you, we'll have to kill you!

*cue ominous music*

Please don't keel me.

re: #132 taxfreekiller

tfk only did one Burma Shave deal, two of them
did it backwards

1. Burma Shave

next

2. Your in a Democrat Controlled world so the signs are backwards.

Hi tfk!! Oops, thought there were more. Heck, there should be - they're a perfect format for some cool satire!

re: #129 Honorary Yooper

When I clicked on Drudge's link for the Food Lion ad, nothing came up.

Is there a Ham conspiracy or did the threads get mixed?...

re: #131 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actually, I was referring to the ancient Mayan Pyramid that Buzz Aldrin found.

Shhh! Opsec!

re: #138 Russkilitlover

They are regular budget items. They're not stimulus and don't belong in any "package."

Subsailor hit on it earlier - it's a shell game to move normal budgetary items onto different books and then produce a budget full of "savings."

Then report on that as the story, not the actual cost, but the fact that things are being moved around. There is a difference.

re: #91 Dianna

But how do we spot them? Half the folks who show up for a congress-critter's town meeting look like they need a keeper!

And if you really want to see kooks, check out the crowd at any given city council meeting.

re: #124 Adrenalyn

so was Drudge lying that Food Lion has the ham at half that price ?

THAT would be worthy of a thread, if he were outright lying

It's entirely possible someone's selling ham at that price. Grocery stores often run "loss leaders" because they know the kind of people that keep a close eye on that stuff (better known as Moms with Families) often spend $100-$150 a week on food, and getting their business is worth the small loss on the hams.

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

No doubt you are referring to the widespread claim that Hitler was spirited away to the Moon by Nazi rocket science as the Red Army closed in. Some allege that von Braun and his team simply duplicated this feat at gunpoint for the backward Americans. There is debate over whether the Fuhrer is still alive in his Moon habitat, having lived to 120 because of the invigorating effects of 1/6 gravity.
I am not making this up but I am too lazy to google it and supply a link; and Charles might not allow it anyway.

There is also a claim that British team reached the Moon even earlier but the program was shut down because Indian scientists had been heavily involved and the powers that be were afraid of undermining European supremacy.

I thought they hid Hitler in the last Apollo mission, and once we got him back they stopped the program, because the goal had been met.
///

re: #129 Honorary Yooper

When I clicked on Drudge's link for the Food Lion ad, nothing came up.

and that is somehow my fault ?

/seriously, it came up when I tried it

Food Lion of Mountain City, Tn

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

No doubt you are referring to the widespread claim that Hitler was spirited away to the Moon by Nazi rocket science as the Red Army closed in. Some allege that von Braun and his team simply duplicated this feat at gunpoint for the backward Americans. There is debate over whether the Fuhrer is still alive in his Moon habitat, having lived to 120 because of the invigorating effects of 1/6 gravity.

Not sure how widespread it is, as I have never heard of it outside of the cartoon series, "Anything can happen On The Moon (shortened to On The Moon)". Animated by Peter Murray Hill of Auriol Productions and available on the website Weebl's Stuff. That is the only place I ever heard of Hitler on the Moon.

re: #118 subsailor68

Hi turn!! I'm not really sure either, but taxfreekiller likes to make up Burma Shave signs, so that may be it.

dang, now I'm really cornfused.

re: #114 Buck

When you read it, discount the "Smallpox blanket genocide". It was a Hoax, made up entirely by our friend Ward Churchill.

Ah, no. The "smallpox blanket" story is much older, and is (supposedly) based on some correspondence from a British general in 1740-something. The letter is no longer in its proper box in the British Museum, but that doesn't mean that it's a hoax.

Now, Ward Churchill did, indeed, completely make up an "Army smallpox blanket" story regarding the Mandan Epidemic.

re: #2 Dianna

I have no clue about this. Is anyone really this stupid?

Of course.

Every group has elements the rest wish would just shut the hell up.

This particular agenda just seems to be getting more publicity than usual. Generally, they're just ignored.

re: #136 Honorary Yooper

BTW, is this the "deal" you're talking about?

oh, I getcha
now I am Drudge ?

re: #128 Rexatosis

There are three words that should send a chill down any "nirther's" spine (and anyone else's too) and end this waste of time: President Joe Biden. 'snuff said

Man, you got that right. What an idjit.

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

Now that is a good consipiracy theory. Reminds me of a sci-fi story I read where the SS had a moon base and strated an intergalactic war when the aliens tried to attack the German flying saucers and they destroyed it. Hitler lived on the moon and was killed when the aliens attacked. The SS gave the terchnology to Amercia so we could win the battle against the aliens...

Here come the Nirthers.

re: #144 Shiplord Kirel

Shhh! Opsec!

ALERT! The Fox is in the Henhouse! The Crips are looting the liquor store!

re: #157 Charles

Here come the Nirthers.

emails?

Well, since the ham thing came up here, again, here's another purchase report from the USDA in 2007.

August 8, 2007

USDA BUYS FROZEN HAMS:

The Agricultural Marketing Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture today purchased 1,084,000 pounds of ham products at a cost of approximately $1,876,000. This product will be used for distribution in Federal food and nutrition programs.

Again notice the date, August 8, 2007. There's many more going back several years. Bottom line is that it was already part of Federal spending and put into the so called stimulus package.

re: #152 Dianna

Ah, no. The "smallpox blanket" story is much older, and is (supposedly) based on some correspondence from a British general in 1740-something. The letter is no longer in its proper box in the British Museum, but that doesn't mean that it's a hoax.

Now, Ward Churchill did, indeed, completely make up an "Army smallpox blanket" story regarding the Mandan Epidemic.

Not so sure about that, but I am sure about the USS LIBERTY. NOT A CONSPIRACY THAT CAME TRUE!

re: #139 oh_dude

What political party would you say allows more idealogical diversity, Republican or Democrat?

Right now there's a part of Republican party that's knee-deep in "self-policing" mode.

Creationists? Out!
Christians? Out!
Birthers? Out!
etc.

Cite one reference where Christians are being pushed out of the GOP for being CHRISTIAN (note: a Christian being ostracized because they were doing something non-Christian or just completely bone-headed does not count)

re: #78 Mad Al-Jaffee

In the Watchmen movie, it was The Comedian.

And I thought he was just cold.//

re: #135 Son of the Black Dog

This has probably been discussed before, but there seems to be some basic human instinct to want to look for a hidden, sinister cause behind every bad thing that happens. Perhaps the flip side of the need to credit divine providence or the intercession of angels for good things that happen.

Internal locus of control vs external locus of control.

re: #55 jcm

Speaking of BULLSHIT - isn't the Nirther movement a prime choice for a Penn & Teller episode?

re: #160 EmmmieG

emails?

On the discussion. Some have said they want to see the birth cert. and other things... gonna be fun to get popcorn and watch this one...

re: #109 Gus 802

First, I couldn't imagine how Rep. Mike Castle felt while being confronted by a nirther with such an intensity. As usual they tend to go to extremes and this birth certificate "issue" should be put to rest.

Second, it's interesting to note that Rep. Mike Castle (R-Delaware) was one of eight Republican congressmen that voted for the Waxman-Markey Cap-and-Trade Bill.

Mark Kirk is running for the Senate to take Obamas old seat.
He is really now dancing on that vote. He says that the next time that it comes around he will read the whole bill.
There , that's better.

re: #149 Adrenalyn

and that is somehow my fault ?

/seriously, it came up when I tried it

Food Lion of Mountain City, Tn

It's not pre-sliced. It's whole smoked ham. The government was buying pre-sliced cooked ham.

Do people bother to read the ads?
It seems the never bother to read the damn things, like where it says "Limit 1" or some such thing.
BTW, next to it is pre-sliced, cooked ham for $3.99/lb.

re: #140 apachegunner

Get a grip.

That was a genuine birth certificate. And it's not my problem if you can't tell that.

New District 9 trailer

re: #157 Charles

Here come the Nirthers.

And, sadly, they do kinda look like the rest of us. At least here we can peak into their karma, and their previously expressed opinions are archived.

re: #167 MikeAlv77

On the discussion. Some have said they want to see the birth cert. and other things... gonna be fun to get popcorn and watch this one...

Maybe they could invent a time machine, and travel back in time to observe the birth.

No, they'll say the doctor palmed the baby.

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But what about the so called "moon landings"?

///

Conspiracy Theories I'd like to hear:

The Challenger did not explode on 1-28-1986. All aboard had protective gear and parachutes which landed them safely to earth. All are living their lives among us with their families.

Columbia reentered the atmosphere on 2-1-2003. All astronauts are alive and well and living with their families in democratic countries throughout the world.

Conspiracy Theories - are they ever positive?

I continue to maintain that the birth certificate is probably irrelevant. What I do not consider irrelevant is his affirmation of citizenship at age 18. He had 3 possible legal ways to go. He could have said he was an American citizen and afterwards traveled on an American passport. In that case he is eligible to be POTUS. He could have said he was a citizen of Kenya. I am not sure what the dual citizenship rules are here, so I will take a pass on them. He could have said he was a citizen of Indonesia and traveled to Pakistan on his Indonesian passport. At that point in time, there was no dual citizenship with Indonesia. He thus would not be an American citizen at the moment. The nationality listed on his college applications is thus very important. Likewise, which passport he used when he did his Pakistan visit. The college records should be released so we can put an end to this noise. The fact that he continues to embargo them lends some weight to the fact that he has something to hide. I am not sure he does, but 18 year old self-confessed crack heads sometimes do dumb things to game the system. I would not put it beyond Obama to have this skeleton in his closet. If he does not, he should put an end to stuff and release the applications. He can keep his grades secret if he wishes. Those are of no import as to his qualifications.

I regard the "smuggled in from Kenya" story to have as much credibility as the warming pan story of the Glorious Revolution. But the other facts of the case bear examining.

re: #166 Dreader1962

Speaking of BULLSHIT - isn't the Nirther movement a prime choice for a Penn & Teller episode?

Or maybe Myth Busters, that way shit gets blown up...

re: #162 Buck

Not so sure about that, but I am sure about the USS LIBERTY. NOT A CONSPIRACY THAT CAME TRUE!

I know next to nothing about the USS Liberty. I've read a number of contradictory articles, and it's not my area.

re: #174 EmmmieG

Maybe they could invent a time machine, and travel back in time to observe the birth.

No, they'll say the doctor palmed the baby.

I think aliens were involved... They always are... and like on a previous thread, I watched Knowing with Nick Cage and it sucked... aliens are always involved...

My favorite conspiracy theory:

King George III: "I think those pesky colonists are up to something fishy."

re: #139 oh_dude

OK, that's one vote for letting the GOP become the party of raving kooks.

re: #168 opnion

Mark Kirk is running for the Senate to take Obamas old seat.
He is really now dancing on that vote. He says that the next time that it comes around he will read the whole bill.
There , that's better.

For a Republican to take Obama's old seat sounds like a challenge. Given his record there might be a chance. Also taking into account the fallout from Blagojevich, et al.

Reading these bills would be nice.

re: #171 Dianna

Get a grip.

That was a genuine birth certificate. And it's not my problem if you can't tell that.

the "live certificate of birth" from Hawaii?

re: #176 Shr_Nfr

I continue to maintain that the birth certificate is probably irrelevant. What I do not consider irrelevant is his affirmation of citizenship at age 18. He had 3 possible legal ways to go.

US citizenship isn't dependent on foreign laws. He isn't required to affirm US Citizenship.

re: #176 Shr_Nfr

The fact that he continues to embargo them lends some weight to the fact that he has something to hide.

Oh, no. Not you too...

re: #158 taxfreekiller

So, if Walmart is as smart as they claim, all week the loss leader there will be .79 cent per lb sliced ham..

like that

Their mailer ad campaign would be one way to undercut the Spammers!

re: #140 apachegunner

troofers? nirthers? I'd be interested in seeing a legit certificate, not a substitute.

[Link: www.factcheck.org...]

That certificate is "legit" as in "legal" as in "Obama is a certified America by birth in Hawaii".

You may be referring to the long form certificate (which Hawaii does not give out). It has no extra information on it that would prove/disprove Obama's citizenship that isn't already on the short form.

re: #86 Dianna

Ha! Entirely appropriate! Futility!

"FUTILITY When the stupid just doesn’t go away."

hahaahahahahahahahahahahahaa

re: #180 subsailor68

My favorite conspiracy theory:

King George III: "I think those pesky colonists are up to something fishy."

Thanks for the laugh!

re: #112 charpete67

I think now is the time to throw out a gratuitous "Bush Won"...

Bush won, of course. But he never uttered, "I won."

re: #176 Shr_Nfr

The fact that he continues to embargo them lends some weight to the fact that he has something to hide. I am not sure he does, but 18 year old self-confessed crack heads sometimes do dumb things to game the system. I would not put it beyond Obama to have this skeleton in his closet. .

You're not seriously calling Obama a 'self-confessed crack head' (or a crackhead of any sort), are you?

re: #178 Dianna

I know next to nothing about the USS Liberty. I've read a number of contradictory articles, and it's not my area.

A year or 2 ago, tapes of the aircraft transmissions were released, clearly indicating they thought it was an Egyptian ship.
But the conspiracy nuts will think they were faked.

Lou Dobbs joins the nirthers.

And then, you read about stuff like this:

One month earlier, Rush Limbaugh made the same remark on his radio show. “Barack Obama has one thing in common with God,” Limbaugh said. “Know what it is? God does not have a birth certificate either.” And Limbaugh may not have been writing his own material, either. At Patriot Depot, a conservative web site that sells books by Glenn Beck and signs designed for anti-tax Tea Parties, buyers can pay $10 to get two bumper stickers that read: “Obama & God Have ONLY ONE THING in Common: NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE! The Difference Is God Doesn’t Think He’s Obama!”According to a salesman for Patriot Depot, the company has sold “hundreds” of this and another birth certificate sticker since advertising them with the conservative opinion sites GOPUSA.com and Townhall.com.

You wonder if the Republican Party will ever be able to get rid of the taint. If anyone is up for making a third party that is center right and fairly libertarian, sign me up.

I'd say the nutcases are immaterial, but I think at some point someone is going to take some potshots at Obama, and all the enablers are going to sit and say, 'but it wasn't us who made him do it' and proclaim their innocence while their objectives are accomplished (If you want a recent example, just look at the murder of George Tiller and the reaction by Operation Rescue and their plans to buy George Tiller's clinic after his murder).

re: #175 midwestgak

Conspiracy Theories I'd like to hear:

The Challenger did not explode on 1-28-1986. All aboard had protective gear and parachutes which landed them safely to earth. All are living their lives among us with their families.

Columbia reentered the atmosphere on 2-1-2003. All astronauts are alive and well and living with their families in democratic countries throughout the world.

Conspiracy Theories - are they ever positive?

That depends on how you feel about Elvis.

Public service announcement for Nirthers.

The State of Hawaii confirmed Pres. Obama's place of birth.

That would hold up in any trail.

Obama's mother was a citizen.

That would hold up

.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled drive off the cliff.

re: #183 apachegunner

the "live certificate of birth" from Hawaii?

I have several of those for my kids. I have several of the long-forms. I can tell you, right now, because I was, you know, there, that all of those births were on American soil (California, Oregon, Texas) to an American citizen mother. It's just whatever the government sent when I sent a check in to get the certificate for the legal reasons my kids will need them.

(Here's a new idea: Maybe Obama has the original, but in his 18 year-old idiot days* he doodled on it, and doesn't want us to see what he wrote. Or maybe not. I'm just free-associating here.)

*It's allowed to be an 18 year old idiot. It's not allowed to be a 42 year old idiot.

Suppose for a moment that tomorrow Obama allowed the state of Hawaii to release his original birth certificate. The response of the Nirthers would be:

A) Oh were satisfied now. Nevermind.
B) That isn't the real original Birth Certificate (I can tell, it would have been in Kenya).
C) Ron Paul

re: #179 MikeAlv77

I think aliens were involved... They always are... and like on a previous thread, I watched Knowing with Nick Cage and it sucked... aliens are always involved...

No, no, no! It's the Templars and the aliens!

re: #165 pink freud

Internal locus of control vs external locus of control.

Thank you.

re: #154 Adrenalyn

Here's the 79 cent ham.

re: #200 Dianna

No, no, no! It's the Templars and the aliens!

Templar Aliens!?!?!? Now this is good conspiracy...!

re: #3 cathypop

nirther idiots! Can this Monday get any worse?

Mondays can always get worse -- it's in the nature of Mondays.

Nirthers, however...

Give it a fucking rest, morons. The State of Hawaii has officially validated his birth certificate. What the fuck else do you need, idiots?

What I do not consider irrelevant is his affirmation of citizenship at age 18.

- Shr_Nfr

Assuming for one moment that your concern has merit; what is the goal of your worry about this? Would you really prefer to see Biden occupying his post? Really? There are few elected officials that I find myself preferring Obama to, but Biden would be one of them.

The alternative, of course, would be to what? Negate the election? We'd see violent rioting and deaths nationwide, possibly catapulting us into full-on civil war, with no clear notion what the outcome would be.

re: #175 midwestgak

Conspiracy Theories - are they ever positive?

Elvis is really alive?

Bruce Campbell is really Elvis?

:)

re: #183 apachegunner

the "live certificate of birth" from Hawaii?

Yes. Except, of course, that it's a "certificate of live birth."

And if you're going to say it's not a birth certificate, I despair of you, wash my hands of you, and worry that you've been close to one too many Fry's employees.

re: #199 Lee Coller

Suppose for a moment that tomorrow Obama allowed the state of Hawaii to release his original birth certificate. The response of the Nirthers would be:

A) Oh were satisfied now. Nevermind.
B) That isn't the real original Birth Certificate (I can tell, it would have been in Kenya).
C) Ron Paul

My guess is that the 'Nirthers and "C" would cry "B" even if "A" was the intent by releasing them.

re: #183 apachegunner

the "live certificate of birth" from Hawaii?

another set of words used to confuse you.

The short form birth certificate is THE ONLY certificate offered by Hawaii to people who request their birth certificate. There is no "live certificate of birth" vs "certification of live birth" vs. "birth certificate". They are all the same thing.

RE # 140 Apachegunner

Why produce the documentation when you can ignore it, let a segment of your opposition to waste its time focusing on an issue hardly anyone considers germane (or have accepted the vast amount of evidence debunking the issue without the final document) and a segment of the press (talk radio and the internet) report on the "controversy," while the vast majority of the populace just "tunes out" everything "political." All the while you push through the most radical agenda to change the United States economy since FDR (and is probably more radical than FDR) through the "white noise" created by this and other "faux" news stories (Michael Jackson etc.). For a discussion of this type of propaganda see Jacques Ellul, "Propaganda" 1965 (English trans.)

re: #181 Charles

God no! (we can still say "God" here right?) Charles I'm with you on this. Its a question of holding ourselves to a higher standard. I hope that's your message. All I'm trying to point out is the hard reality of how elections are won and lost. Look at all the Acorn shit that people were trying to point out during the last election or any of the other shady things that were allegedly happening. Was there anyone in the Democrat party that was talking about making sure that they policed themselves internally against that kind of thing? Of course not. Why? Because they didn't give a rat's ass.

All I want to know is what is the plan for defeating a party that will sink as low as possible to get the win?

re: #183 apachegunner

the "live certificate of birth" from Hawaii?

All that proves is that Obama wasn't born a zombie!
/

re: #203 MikeAlv77

Templar Aliens!?!?!? Now this is good conspiracy...!

Conspiracy nutcases won't like it unless it involves Jooos as well.

re: #202 lawhawk

Here's the 79 cent ham.

Whole smoked ham, not pre-sliced, and not known if it is cooked.

re: #194 bloodstar

I'd say the nutcases are immaterial, but I think at some point someone is going to take some potshots at Obama, and all the enablers are going to sit and say, 'but it wasn't us who made him do it' and proclaim their innocence while their objectives are accomplished (If you want a recent example, just look at the murder of George Tiller and the reaction by Operation Rescue and their plans to buy George Tiller's clinic after his murder).

Yep. Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue, just warned of 'violent convulsions' if the health care bill covers abortions. And he kicked off his campaign against Sotomayor in front of Tiller's clinic. What message is he trying to send? It's pretty clear.

"I believe — if my reading of history from America and around the world is correct — that there are others who will be tempted to acts of violence.

“If the government of this country tramples the faith and values of its citizens, history will hold those in power responsible for the violent convulsions that follow.”

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

re: #204 Steffan

Mondays can always get worse -- it's in the nature of Mondays.

Nirthers, however...

Give it a fucking rest, morons. The State of Hawaii has officially validated his birth certificate. What the fuck else do you need, idiots?

It's all part of the conspiracy dude...

///

That's the fun part of conspiracies, any fact to disprove the conspiracy? It is created by the conspiracy to fool us.

re: #140 apachegunner

troofers? nirthers? I'd be interested in seeing a legit certificate, not a substitute. i've heard say that if there wasn't one hillary would have found out, did she find out there was one and passed? I have no doubt this is a deliberate move to wreck America, nobama and there are some very smart, and very dark, people supporting this. Whats so hard about presenting one? I have one or two at home as I bet most of you do to. i'm not a troofer or a nirther, just a curious citizen.

You have one or two original birth certificates at home? Really?

Well, what if your Mother didn't take very good care of it, and lost it...Are you still an American Citizen? Wouldn't you apply for the registered copy and just show it?

The document Obama is showing is his real birth certificate, and HAS been presented outside of DailyKOS.
AND it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. birth and citizenship.

The head of the Health Department in Hawaii has confirmed that the original certificate is the same as the copy, and therefore Obama was born when and where his American family says he was, Kapiolani Hospital, Honolulu.

It has been verified by the state government official who is responsible for the document and it's authenticity.

The state created the document. That makes it his real Birth Certificate. It refers to where he was born as the county of Honolulu.

Hawaii does not, and has never created Birth Certificates that state the place the person was born as Honolulu, when they were not really born there.

In fact they have a rule specifically created to rule out this change of place of birth.

[Link: www.capitol.hawaii.gov...]

"The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth, and that the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued or for the adoptive parents"

So the short form copy would not have listed his place of birth as Honolulu.

You might think that Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 would have allowed that.

Well there is no Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178.

Now there is a section 338.17.8. But it covers certificates for those born out of state, not out of the country, and as per Hawaii Revised Statute 338.20.5 it does not change the Place of Birth.

But even if someone wants to argue about that, it doesn't matter because 338-17.8 didn't exist until 1982.

re: #214 Honorary Yooper

Whole smoked ham, not pre-sliced, and not known if it is cooked.

Furthermore, that's bone-in, which costs less because you'll throw out the bone.

(Unless you have really, really good teeth.)

I think the 9/11 Troofers are infinately more dangerous than Nerth Certifikat kooks.

But the Nirth Certifikat kooks will "dog the the Republicans" waaay more than the 9/11 Troofers ever could dog the Dems.

It's the MSM, stupid.

re: #51 voirdire

You mean to tell me that there is absolutely nothing peebo can do to put this issue to rest?

Why in the world would he want to?

re: #213 Kosh's Shadow

Conspiracy nutcases won't like it unless it involves Jooos as well.

Then it's Temple Aliens, not Templar.

Not just an American citizen, but MORE of one even...

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

re: #203 MikeAlv77

Templar Aliens!?!?!? Now this is good conspiracy...!

It is, isn't it? I wish I could take credit, but I'm afraid it's that nut, Jim Marrs.

re: #200 Dianna

No, no, no! It's the Templars and the aliens!

I thought it was the Bilderbangers.

re: #180 subsailor68

My favorite conspiracy theory:

King George III: "I think those pesky colonists are up to something fishy."

IIRC, he recorded in his diary for July 4, 1776:

"Nothing of importance happened today."

Or words to that effect.

re: #218 EmmmieG

Furthermore, that's bone-in, which costs less because you'll throw out the bone.

(Unless you have really, really good teeth.)

Exactly. This is apples and oranges, folks, to compare a bone-in uncooked whole smoked ham price with the price of sliced cooked ham (seem on the right side of the same page at $3.99/lb).

re: #44 Pianobuff

Is there in the history of conspiracy theories a single one that turned out being true? Just one?

Yes. "New Coke". [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

:p

re: #225 Pianobuff

I thought it was the Bilderbangers.

What are construction worker groupies?
/Karnak off

re: #199 Lee Coller

Suppose for a moment that tomorrow Obama allowed the state of Hawaii to release his original birth certificate. The response of the Nirthers would be:

A) Oh were satisfied now. Nevermind.
B) That isn't the real original Birth Certificate (I can tell, it would have been in Kenya).
C) Ron Paul

It is not up to President Obama to allow access to his birth certificate. He has no authority over that certificate. Birthers have an issue with Hawaiian policy (which seems to be the policy of other states, including California where I was born) of not giving direct access to long form birth certificates.

re: #195 KansasMom

That depends on how you feel about Elvis.

And Bat Boy.

re: #214 Honorary Yooper

Whole smoked ham, not pre-sliced, and not known if it is cooked.

I guess I'm just offended that the government would send out pre-sliced ham to anyone in need. It's rotten luck for them. That pre-sliced crap winds up dried out and as tasty as shoe leather. Blech!

re: #228 RunningBare

Yes. "New Coke". [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

:p

"Keough answered all speculation by saying "We're not that dumb, and we're not that smart", as Coke Classic was reintroduced."

re: #231 Mad Al-Jaffee

...Elvis is dead?

re: #226 Steffan

IIRC, he recorded in his diary for July 4, 1776:

"Nothing of importance happened today."

Or words to that effect.

I'm not trying to nitpick you but with it taking weeks if not months for transatlantic communications George would have known nothing of the happenings of July 4th until much later...

re: #213 Kosh's Shadow

Conspiracy nutcases won't like it unless it involves Jooos as well.

And the Queen of England! We wouldn't like her to feel left out.

re: #221 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Then it's Temple Aliens, not Templar.

Their space ships Illuminati the night sky over Area 51.

re: #218 EmmmieG

Furthermore, that's bone-in, which costs less because you'll throw out the bone.

(Unless you have really, really good teeth.)

Ach! No! The bone is for ham and white bean soup or split pea soup or collards, or Mexican beans...

re: #236 Dianna

And the Queen of England! We wouldn't like her to feel left out.

# Milhouse: The Rand Corporation, in conjuction with the saucer people...
Bart: Thank you.
Milhouse: ...under the supervision of the reverse vampires...
Lisa: Ugh...
Milhouse: ...are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner! We're through the looking glass here, people!

re: #214 Honorary Yooper

Whole smoked ham, not pre-sliced, and not known if it is cooked.

Plus you need a MVP card to get the discount. I bet you that piece of ham was crap, wouldn't even feed it to the boob.

WOW...that was indescribable.

re: #230 keithgabryelski

It is not up to President Obama to allow access to his birth certificate. He has no authority over that certificate. Birthers have an issue with Hawaiian policy (which seems to be the policy of other states, including California where I was born) of not giving direct access to long form birth certificates.

Obama should build a time machine and provide video evidence of his birth. And that would be simple. All you need to build a time machine is a pack of bubble gum, a Nintendo NES, some bat guano, and a Delorian. Because he wont take these simple steps it is clear he was born in Kenya or wherever.///

re: #187 keithgabryelski

[Link: www.factcheck.org...]

That certificate is "legit" as in "legal" as in "Obama is a certified America by birth in Hawaii".

You may be referring to the long form certificate (which Hawaii does not give out). It has no extra information on it that would prove/disprove Obama's citizenship that isn't already on the short form.

thanks for the article, I hadn't read it and it appears I might not be on the right side of this. However, I do believe nobama is purposely in place to take down America.

re: #207 Dianna

Yes. Except, of course, that it's a "certificate of live birth."

And if you're going to say it's not a birth certificate, I despair of you, wash my hands of you, and worry that you've been close to one too many Fry's employees.

hahahahahahhahahhahahaaa

I have a theory for consideration...

What if Barack was born in Hawaii, got into politics, the economy turned bad and he was in the right place at the right time to run for president...and then...he got more votes than McCain and is the legal and constitutional president of the united states...

re: #182 Gus 802

For a Republican to take Obama's old seat sounds like a challenge. Given his record there might be a chance. Also taking into account the fallout from Blagojevich, et al.

Reading these bills would be nice.

Mark Kirk is actually a good guy. He is a Reserve Naval Aviator who has seen active duty in the WOT.
I think that he will get past this vote. It is too bad that Roland Burris is not running. There is a good chance that Kirks opponent will be a Kennedy, but still have a chance.

It's about time we all did this to the nutters of all stripes:

Really, I've just about had enough of the bad craziness.

Happy 40th Anniversary of the Moon landing, Buzz!

My original birth certificate no longer exists.

It was destroyed by the state after records where convert to electronic.

I do have a photo copy (the real photo copy method not that new fangled Xerox shit) of the original, it is stamped and notarized as an "official copy" it was good enough for the USAF and security clearance.

I also have a modern print out on a laser form that looks like the same form Hawaii used expect with my state of birth seal, it was printed out from the state's database, and is a legal birth certificate.

It would be impossible for me to produce my "original" birth certificate. I do have two documents certified by the state which care the same legal weight as the "original."

Any nirthers out there think I am not a citizen?

re: #202 lawhawk

Here's the 79 cent ham.

please, refer to my code name "Matt" on this thread

re: #242 Baier

Obama should build a time machine and provide video evidence of his birth. And that would be simple. All you need to build a time machine is a pack of bubble gum, a Nintendo NES, some bat guano, and a Delorian. Because he wont take these simple steps it is clear he was born in Kenya or wherever.///

It would be too easy to fake, just like the moon landing.// Course Buzz Aldrin would punch your ass out if you said that to him.

re: #226 Steffan

IIRC, he recorded in his diary for July 4, 1776:

"Nothing of importance happened today."

Or words to that effect.

What? CNN miss the story?

/;-P

re: #218 EmmmieG

Furthermore, that's bone-in, which costs less because you'll throw out the bone.

(Unless you have really, really good teeth.)

Don't throw it out until you've made your split pea soup!

re: #207 Dianna

Yes. Except, of course, that it's a "certificate of live birth."

And if you're going to say it's not a birth certificate, I despair of you, wash my hands of you, and worry that you've been close to one too many Fry's employees.

no, don't give up on me luv. ima good lizard :>)

re: #211 oh_dude

God no! (we can still say "God" here right?)

Many Lizards are people of faith. Your whining snark is misplaced.

re: #250 kansas

It would be too easy to fake, just like the moon landing.// Course Buzz Aldrin would punch your ass out if you said that to him.

I think Obama was born at Stuckey's...

re: #114 Buck

When you read it, discount the "Smallpox blanket genocide". It was a Hoax, made up entirely by our friend Ward Churchill.

Not entirely accurate. Ward Churchill claimed that the United States government did it to the mandan indians sometime in the 1800s. THAT IS FALSE. However, Lord Amherst, a brit, did it to indians sometime in the 1700s - there is debate whether it was done deliberately or not, but it DID happen. Ward Churchill is a gaping vagina.

Hope this helps.

re: #244 debutaunt

hahahahahahhahahhahahaaa

Clearly, you know about Fry's employees!