In Depth: Operation Cast Lead and the Ethics of Just War

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The journal Azure has a detailed and thoughtful examination of Operation Cast Lead and the Ethics of Just War by Israeli philosopher Asa Kasher, as the usual non-governmental organizations issue the usual reports accusing Israel of “war crimes.”

On Saturday, December 27, 2008, after eight years of continuing rocket attacks on its territory by Islamic terrorist organizations, Israel launched a full-scale military operation against the Hamas regime in the Gaza Strip. Officially named Operation Cast Lead, it began with massive air-strikes against Hamas and Islamic Jihad targets, and continued with a ground incursion in which thousands of Israeli soldiers participated. After twenty-two days of fighting, Israel announced a unilateral ceasefire, which became effective on January 18, 2009.

While the political and military achievements of the operation are contested, the damage it left in its wake is undisputed. Ten Israeli soldiers and three Israeli civilians were killed. Due to the asymmetry of forces, the Palestinian side sustained especially heavy casualties: According to Palestinian sources in the Gaza Strip (whose credibility, it must be noted, is questionable), more than one thousand people were killed and much of Gaza’s infrastructure was destroyed. Humanitarian relief agencies estimate that nearly 100,000 Palestinians were left homeless.

The destruction caused by the Gaza operation, as well as the disturbing pictures of it broadcast around the world, incited violent international protest and a public debate within Israel itself. The most outspoken critics of the operation accused the Jewish state of engaging in excessive and indiscriminate aggression, as well as committing war crimes against the Palestinians. More moderate commentators questioned the necessity of some of the Israel Defense Forces’ (IDF) actions during the fighting, and wondered whether the operation could have been brought to a close without causing such widespread carnage.

Though understandable and perhaps inevitable, this heated debate is unfortunately founded, in most cases, on insufficient and flawed information, semantic confusion, and the misuse of moral principles. The main purpose of this article, written by one of Israel’s leading philosophers, is to try to deal with some of these shortcomings. At the very least, it points us toward the proper moral, ethical, and legal standards by which the Gaza operation should be evaluated.

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167 comments
1 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 12:58:22pm
On Saturday, December 27, 2008, after eight years of continuing rocket attacks on its territory by Islamic terrorist organizations, Israel launched a full-scale military operation against the Hamas regime in the Gaza Strip.

Reason enough as to why Israel did what they did.

2 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 12:58:30pm
3 LionofDixon  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:01:36pm

You fight a war to win. Period. End of story. The Israelis are in no way to blame for this. When fanatics rain missles on your head for 8 years, you are morally authorized to kill them as well as those who support and/or allow them to exist in their midst.

4 cartoonboy  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:01:38pm

Words will not deter psychopaths intent on obliterating Israel.

5 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:02:20pm

BBC: Former British Army Colonel Richard Kemp Discusses IDF Gaza Ops

6 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:02:45pm

re: #4 cartoonboy

Words will not deter psychopaths intent on obliterating Israel.

They can't read anyway.

7 yochanan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:03:16pm

Image: New_Israeli_flag.gif

don't tread on me

8 Code Red 21  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:03:33pm

Israel has put up with more violence than I believe any other country has and they have acted with restraint most of the time. They have the right to do whatever it takes to defend themselves against the barbarians. Oops I meant the Palestinians.

9 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:03:39pm

re: #3 LionofDixon

You fight a war to win.

I wish.

10 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:04:02pm

re: #7 yochanan

[Link: 2.bp.blogspot.com...]

don't tread on me

Dang, linky no worky.

/and i was looking forward to that

11 yochanan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:04:02pm
12 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:04:02pm
13 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:04:42pm

re: #8 Code Red 21

Israel has put up with more violence than I believe any other country has and they have acted with restraint most of the time. They have the right to do whatever it takes to defend themselves against the barbarians. Oops I meant the Palestinians.

Barbaristinians?

14 yochanan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:04:46pm
15 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:04:59pm

That's a long article. It points out how it takes more moral awareness and effort to be in the military, than to be a civilian, usually.

I remember my dad, jesuit educated fighter pilot, explaining some of the same points the article makes.

16 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:06:19pm

re: #11 yochanan

[Link: 2.bp.blogspot.com...]

Neither 2bp nor bp appear to be valid there.

17 solomonpanting  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:06:26pm
The most outspoken critics of the operation accused the Jewish state of engaging in excessive and indiscriminate aggression, as well as committing war crimes against the Palestinians.

And they were/are wrong. Get over it.
Next.

18 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:06:39pm

re: #8 Code Red 21

Israel has put up with more violence than I believe any other country has and they have acted with restraint most of the time. They have the right to do whatever it takes to defend themselves against the barbarians. Oops I meant the Palestinians Jordyptians.

19 cartoonboy  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:06:59pm

The benefit of this preaching to the choir is in thickening Israel's skin against the relentless barrage of twisted recriminations..

20 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:07:22pm

The IDF is ethical to a fault.

21 yochanan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:07:41pm

the link on 14 goes to the article with the hebrew don't tread on me flag
i want one of those.

22 LionOfDixon  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:07:45pm

re: #9 Spare O'Lake

So do a lot of families who lost brave men in Viet Nam.

23 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:08:26pm

re: #14 yochanan

[Link: joshuapundit.blogspot.com...]

That was a nicely administered bitchslap by Big Ben.

24 dhg4  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:08:46pm

Calling Asa Kasher one of Israel's leading philosophers, sells him a bit short. Along with current IDF Chief of Staff Amos Yadlin (former chief of military intelligence and one of the pilots who destroyed the Osirak reactor), Prof Kasher developed the ethical guidelines for Israel's for Israel's counter terrorism operations.

25 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:10:44pm

And the Hamas detailed and thoughtful examination of their conduct in the war will be released when pigs and monkeys fly out of Abu Mazen's butt.

26 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:11:00pm

re: #20 HelloDare

The IDF is ethical to a fault.

EFFEN A.

The IDF has more stringent rules of engagement than the NYPD.

27 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:11:40pm

re: #25 HelloDare

And the Hamas detailed and thoughtful examination of their conduct in the war will be released when pigs and monkeys fly out of Abu Mazen's butt.

His reply will be, "We want more money from the West".

28 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:12:28pm

re: #25 HelloDare

And the Hamas detailed and thoughtful examination of their conduct in the war will be released when pigs and monkeys fly out of Abu Mazen's butt.

I recall only the Pali's using human shields...That's not a war crime? or is it just a crime to shoot back in a war?

29 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:12:56pm

re: #21 yochanan

the link on 14 goes to the article with the hebrew don't tread on me flag
i want one of those.

Very cool. Does someone make those?

30 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:13:07pm

British Colonel Declares "The IDF Did More to Safeguard Civilians Than Any Other Army"

31 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:13:34pm
The use of military force is, therefore, justified only if all other alternatives have been exhausted. In just war theory, this is known as the principle of last resort.

The terrorists of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the AAMB all have repeatedly shown that they will not operate as another state-actor and honor commitments to peacefully resolve their differences with Israel. They have repeatedly chosen war - jihad - against Israel. They remain at war with Israel even with the current hudna in effect.

When Israel gets attacked, it has two choices - do nothing (the situation it faced for eight years following Barak's ovetures to Arafat at Camp David in 2000, where it suffered from thousands of kassams, mortars, and suicide bombers), or to respond with overwhelming force to crush the terror infrastructure. Israel actually chose a third way - use less than overwhelming force to attempt to force a stalemate, rather than win.

That, in a nutshell, is immoral. By choosing to politically seek a stalemate, rather than defeating Hamas, the war continues, because Hamas gets to live to fight another day, which it will (and based on its leaders statements, will come at a time and place of their choosing).

Israel engaged in self defense was just. Israel killing terrorists before they struck at Israel was just. Israel gets called out every time a civilian dies, but the world ignores that Hamas more often than not put those civilians in harm's way through their own actions - firing rockets and mortars from civilian areas, hiding in and among civilians, using human shields, etc.

Hamas has never been held accountable for its actions. For all the talk about war crimes/crimes against humanity in the Middle East, the Hamas leadership stands out as being culpable for such crimes. Yet, there's a deafening silence on that front, where the attention is instead focused on Israel's leadership, which repeatedly took steps to minimize civilian casualties at every turn, including providing humanitarian aid to Gaza at a time when it was all too apparent that Hamas was siphoning off that aid for their own purposes.

32 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:13:52pm

re: #30 Ben Hur

That guy is already, or soon will be, out of a job for expressing pro-Israel sentiments.

33 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:14:00pm

Not one word about the Gazan rooster?

34 Kragar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:14:01pm

Logic and careful examination of the facts will do nothing to sway instinctive Jew hatred and knee jerk condemnation of any military action which the NGO are famous for.

35 Kragar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:15:16pm

re: #33 MandyManners

Not one word about the Gazan rooster?

He was delicious!

36 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:15:42pm

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He was delicious!

uuulllulululullululululululululululu . . .

37 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:15:51pm

re: #33 MandyManners

Not one word about the Gazan rooster?

He was a bit cocky.

38 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:15:52pm

re: #35 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He was delicious!

*sniffle*

39 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:16:12pm

re: #33 MandyManners

Not one word about the Gazan rooster?

Give it up. It's gone, finished, stew meat, I ate it.

40 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:16:48pm

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Give it up. It's gone, finished, stew meat, I ate it.

how plucky of you to admit it

41 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:16:57pm

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Give it up. It's gone, finished, stew meat, I ate it.

It was in a family bucket at GFC months ago

42 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:17:34pm
43 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:18:32pm
44 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:19:39pm

re: #42 Ben Hur

NGOs.

Human Rights Watch Bashes Israel Supporters To Raise Money in Saudi Arabia

It appears as if Human Rights Watch, in the pursuit of dollars, has compromised its integrity.

Integrity? Did I miss something here?

45 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:20:18pm

re: #43 buzzsawmonkey

And let's not forget that a Human Rights Watch attorney just joined the Justice Department--in the National Security section.

Joy.

hey it could be worse. how I don't know, but it could, couldn't it?

46 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:20:23pm

re: #43 buzzsawmonkey

And let's not forget that a Human Rights Watch attorney just joined the Justice Department--in the National Security section.

Joy.

Yes, the Saudi national interests will continue to be very secure here . . .

47 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:20:48pm

Israel should have totally destroyed Hamas and the southern tunnels...they should still be at this moment swarming over Gaza...in view of BOs attitude toward them they probably wished they had now...in for a penny, in for a pound

48 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:21:04pm

re: #41 Desert Dog

It was in a family bucket at GFC months ago

Gaza Fried Chicken? That's explosive stuff.

49 vxbush  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:21:14pm

re: #44 Creeping Eruption

Integrity? Did I miss something here?

To quote Fox, "I'm going to get a dictionary, so I can look up the word integrity."

/spoke to Wilberforce in Amazing Grace

50 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:21:45pm
51 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:22:03pm

re: #33 MandyManners

Not one word about the Gazan rooster?

I miss that webcam; it was pretty cool.

52 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:22:06pm

One Term Wonder.

53 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:22:13pm

re: #48 Honorary Yooper

Gaza Fried Chicken? That's explosive stuff.

Try the 72-raisin and carrot salad.

54 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:22:36pm

re: #48 Honorary Yooper

Gaza Fried Chicken? That's explosive stuff.

It's bursting with flavor!

55 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:22:46pm

re: #33 MandyManners

Not one word about the Gazan rooster?

The poor Gaza rooster was taken into custody as a Spy for Israel..
Unfortunately.last seen bring dragged into a basement he was never heard of again...
say a prayer for the Gaza Rooster tonight.. He died a hero's death after the war...
I hired a ghost writer to tell his story

56 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:23:14pm

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sure we'll find out.

It's in little things like that--quietly inserting a Human Rights Watch person in an area where they have no business being--that the Administration is doing its real structural damage.

Actually, in all seriousness, it is turning out worse than I ever thought it would so far.

57 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:23:31pm

re: #47 albusteve

Israel should have totally destroyed Hamas and the southern tunnels...they should still be at this moment swarming over Gaza...in view of BOs attitude toward them they probably wished they had now...in for a penny, in for a pound

It speaks to Israel's restraint that its borders do not consist entirely of ocean and large smoking craters.

58 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:23:37pm

re: #36 Creeping Eruption

uuulllulululullululululululululululu . . .

Ululululuadoodledoo!

59 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:23:48pm

re: #55 HoosierHoops

The poor Gaza rooster was taken into custody as a Spy for Israel..
Unfortunately.last seen bring dragged into a basement he was never heard of again...
say a prayer for the Gaza Rooster tonight.. He died a hero's death after the war...
I hired a ghost writer to tell his story

"It was the best of fries, it was the worst of fries . . ."

60 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:23:50pm

re: #53 OldLineTexan

Try the 72-raisin and carrot salad.

Waitaminute...those aren't raisins!

61 yochanan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:24:19pm

re: #29 Creeping Eruption

well i have the yellow flag with the snake and english don't tread on me i can print the hebrew on it but i don't know if anyone makes the blue israeli version. wish they did i would buy one.

62 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:24:38pm

re: #55 HoosierHoops

Nah... the rooster is fine. Hamas threw him off a roof but he glided to safety.

63 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:25:01pm
64 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:25:03pm

re: #61 yochanan

well i have the yellow flag with the snake and english don't tread on me i can print the hebrew on it but i don't know if anyone makes the blue israeli version. wish they did i would buy one.

If you ever find one, let us know. I'll guess there would be a number of takers.

65 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:25:20pm

re: #55 HoosierHoops

The poor Gaza rooster was taken into custody as a Spy for Israel..
Unfortunately.last seen bring dragged into a basement he was never heard of again...
say a prayer for the Gaza Rooster tonight.. He died a hero's death after the war...
I hired a ghost writer to tell his story


The Ghost and Mr. Chicken?

66 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:25:50pm

re: #62 experiencedtraveller

Nah... the rooster is fine. Hamas threw him off a roof but he glided to safety.

They have an excellent glide ratio.

67 turn  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:26:00pm

re: #26 Ben Hur

EFFEN A.

The IDF has more stringent rules of engagement than the NYPD.

Ben, when approaching a hostile house did the IDF really have a policy at one time of using a Palestinian as a shield and putting a gun over their shoulder?

68 yochanan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:26:25pm

re: #60 Honorary Yooper

who let the rabbit nest to the salad

69 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:26:48pm

re: #57 OldLineTexan

It speaks to Israel's restraint that its borders do not consist entirely of ocean and large smoking craters.

like lawhawk alluded to, restraint gets people killed...seal the borders, and let the leaders rat each other out...put bounties on them...blah blah...the whole thing is just a waste, time will prove it

70 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:27:39pm

When did it become chic in the modern world to argue for the destruction of one's own country and tribe? It says volumes that Israelis are publishing articles on the ethics of war while Hamas publishes manifestos arguing for the complete destruction of another race.

71 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:28:15pm

re: #70 DaddyG

When did it become chic in the modern world to argue for the destruction of one's own country and tribe? It says volumes that Israelis are publishing articles on the ethics of war while Hamas publishes manifestos arguing for the complete destruction of another race.

It speaks greater volumes that the rest of the world then calls Israel the bad guy.

72 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:28:17pm

re: #63 buzzsawmonkey

Fasten your seat belt; we're not even in second gear.

"won't come back from Dead Man's Curve"

73 Erik The Red  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:28:28pm

re: #33 MandyManners

Not one word about the Gazan rooster?

LOL. I miss the little noise maker.

74 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:28:57pm

re: #73 Erik The Red

LOL. I miss the little noise maker.

He was delicious.

75 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:29:47pm

Obama "Not Familiar" With Key Provision In Health Care BillYour text to link...

Audio.

Heritage: During the call, a blogger from Maine said he kept running into an Investors Business Daily article that claimed Section 102 of the House health legislation would outlaw private insurance. He asked: "Is this true? Will people be able to keep their insurance and will insurers be able to write new policies even though H.R. 3200 is passed?" President Obama replied: "You know, I have to say that I am not familiar with the provision you are talking about."

76 JacksonTn  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:30:22pm

re: #72 albusteve

"won't come back from Dead Man's Curve"

albusteve ... Hey! ... I read you are going to be a grandpa ... first, congrats! ... you will have a blast (not that I know) ... second, I am so jealous ...

77 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:30:23pm

re: #71 Creeping Eruption

It speaks greater volumes that the rest of the world then calls Israel the bad guy.


That is exactly what I don't get. Even if one hated Israel who is stupid enough to encourage genocide in the name of an ideology and expect to be "safe" in the long term.

78 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:30:26pm
79 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:30:34pm

re: #75 Ben Hur

Obama "Not Familiar" With Key Provision In Health Care BillYour text to link...

Audio.

But, we MUST pass it NOW...even if we don't know what f*ck is in the bill.

80 lurking faith  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:30:45pm

re: #62 experiencedtraveller

Nah... the rooster is fine. Hamas threw him off a roof but he glided to safety.

"As God is my witness: I thought turkeys could fly!"

81 yochanan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:30:46pm

re: #74 Sharmuta

you would have made soup out of him nothing else would have turned out very well as rooster is real tough.

82 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:30:57pm

re: #73 Erik The Red

LOL. I miss the little noise maker.

Spooky wasn't it. Watching war unfold in slow motion with the Gaza Rooster providing the soundtrack..Oscar worthy...

83 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:31:07pm

re: #80 lurking faith

"As God is my witness: I thought turkeys could fly!"

Ok, Mr. Carlson

84 ryannon  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:31:08pm

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Give it up. It's gone, finished, stew meat, I ate it.

And while we're on the subject:

It was a CAT, not a gull for God's sake, Newton!

/never forget, never forgive

85 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:31:29pm

re: #76 JacksonTn

albusteve ... Hey! ... I read you are going to be a grandpa ... first, congrats! ... you will have a blast (not that I know) ... second, I am so jealous ...

thank you...working on my stupid magic tricks etc...I'll be ready

86 yochanan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:31:35pm

re: #80 lurking faith

wild one can.

87 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:31:54pm

re: #63 buzzsawmonkey

Fasten your seat belt; we're not even in second gear.

Lil' Obama Rambler

chorus: Hope Change (Hope Change),
Hope Change (Hope Change),
His speech went Hope Hope Change (Hope Change).

While living in the US, much to my surprise,
A little Obama Rambler was following Hill, passing by her thighs.
The guy must have wanted to pass her out
As he kept on tooting his horn (Hope Change)
She'll show him that America is not a country to scorn.

chorus

She pushed her campaign down to the floor to give the guy the shake,
But the little Obama Rambler stayed right behind, he still had
on his brake.
He must have thought he had more money,
As he kept on tooting his horn (Hope Change).
She'll show him that America is not a country to scorn.

chorus

Now against McCain, as fast as he could go.
The Rambler pulled alongside of him as if he were going slow.
The fellow rolled his window down and yelled for us to hear:
"Hey, buddy, how can I get this thing out of second gear?"

/to the tune of "Little Nash Rambler"

88 callahan23  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:31:55pm

re: #53 OldLineTexan

Try the 72-raisin and carrot salad.

Do you have that recipe. Then send it to reine.de.tout for the next cookbook. ;-)

How about a whole chapter of recipes in honor of the rooster.

89 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:32:16pm

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

It became generally chic after the carnage of WWI, though you could argue that Mark Twain started the ball rolling with his essay "To the Person Sitting in Darkness," a jeremiad against America's actions in the Philippines.

Good points. Although it seems a healthy dislike of war in general should not extend to the extreme of suicide to prevent confrontation.

90 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:32:51pm

re: #84 ryannon

And while we're on the subject:

It was a CAT, not a gull for God's sake, Newton!

/never forget, never forgive

I'll put that on your tombstone Ranger.
/

91 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:33:47pm
92 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:34:17pm

re: #88 callahan23

Do you have that recipe. Then send it to reine.de.tout for the next cookbook. ;-)

How about a whole chapter of recipes in honor of the rooster.


I make a mean "beer can chicken." It involves a syringe.

93 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:34:21pm

re: #67 turn

Ben, when approaching a hostile house did the IDF really have a policy at one time of using a Palestinian as a shield and putting a gun over their shoulder?

Policy? No.

Could it have happened? Yes. There were instances that they would have the neighbor knock on the door for them.

One crazy story I heard (not from Cast Lead) was that an officer was separated from his unit, they were trapped and he took a Pali cab driver, tied him to the windshield of his taxi, and drove it and saved his unit.

Could be true, but why would anyone think that Hamas, etc would hesitate to ratchet up the civilian death count.

94 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:34:26pm
95 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:34:26pm

re: #77 DaddyG

That is exactly what I don't get. Even if one hated Israel who is stupid enough to encourage genocide in the name of an ideology and expect to be "safe" in the long term.

I don't think there is anything to "get." Many people consider Jews and now Israel, to be an abomination, a scourge to be eradicated. Its been that way for thousands of years, and will be for thousands more.

It is all the worse now (in the last 60 years) because the heretofore pusillanimous Jews (for the last 2000 years at least) learned to fight back, and are better at it than all their enemies combined.

96 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:34:40pm

re: #1 Honorary Yooper

Reason enough as to why Israel did what they did.


disproportionate response
Israel didn't come close to 8 years of retaliation.

97 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:34:51pm

re: #80 lurking faith

"As God is my witness: I thought turkeys could fly!"

Second time today someone's used that quote.

98 callahan23  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:35:39pm

re: #92 Cannadian Club Akbar

I make a mean "beer can chicken." It involves a syringe.

Sounds weird and interesting, did you send it to Reine?

99 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:35:53pm

re: #97 Honorary Yooper

Second time today someone's used that quote.

First time was in reference to Obama's health care program.

100 Erik The Red  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:36:24pm

re: #92 Cannadian Club Akbar

I make a mean "beer can chicken." It involves a syringe.

Mine involves sticking a beer can up the chickens butt. YUMMY.

101 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:36:32pm

re: #98 callahan23

Sounds weird and interesting, did you send it to Reine?

You don't need a syringe to cram a can of beer up a chicken's ass!

/

102 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:36:48pm

re: #79 Desert Dog

But, we MUST pass it NOW...even if we don't know what f*ck is in the bill.

Get Rahm on the phone. Jupiter has been struck and we need to get this passed before the carnage of an asteroid strike sinks our earth health care system! /

103 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:36:57pm

re: #98 callahan23

Sounds weird and interesting, did you send it to Reine?

No, didn't know about the deadline 'til it was over. Good stuff, though.

104 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:37:00pm

re: #93 Ben Hur

Policy? No.

Could it have happened? Yes. There were instances that they would have the neighbor knock on the door for them.

One crazy story I heard (not from Cast Lead) was that an officer was separated from his unit, they were trapped and he took a Pali cab driver, tied him to the windshield of his taxi, and drove it and saved his unit.

Could be true, but why would anyone think that Hamas, etc would hesitate to ratchet up the civilian death count.

They wouldn't

105 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:37:08pm

re: #100 Erik The Red

Mine involves sticking a beer can up the chickens butt. YUMMY.

"Shicker (sp?) Chicken" we call it.

106 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:37:13pm

Speaking of Roosters..God i hate Roosters..Years ago we had a neighbor that had a rooster.. Every morning at 4am i was pulling the pillow over my head cussing fowl...Should a buy a hand grenade today and put him out of his misery? Maybe hire a Marine Sharpshooter for the deadly shot...
AT 4:10am you are thinking maybe they would just buy another Rooster..
So What? Give them 15 minutes warning and blow the whole house up?
By 4:30am you lose your spirit..and sleep...Get up and fix coffee and stare out the window... Are RPG's available on the street?
God I hate Roosters
/

107 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:37:16pm

re: #101 OldLineTexan

You don't need a syringe to cram a can of beer up a chicken's ass!

/

Not after it's dead, anyway. I imagine it wouldn't be too happy about it before that.

108 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:37:16pm

re: #100 Erik The Red

Mine involves sticking a beer can up the chickens butt. YUMMY.

We'll call it "Gazan Honco Rooster Shore Leave"

109 yochanan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:37:25pm

re: #97 Honorary Yooper

well wild ones can fly the domesticated version, well you can bowl with them flying not so much

110 pink freud  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:37:32pm

Zombie, looks like foxnews.com has the Holdren story up again, front and center, with the following attribution:

"As first reported by FrontPage Magazine, Holdren and his co-authors spend a portion of the book discussing possible government programs that could be used to lower birth rates."

111 Erik The Red  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:37:35pm

re: #101 OldLineTexan

You don't need a syringe to cram a can of beer up a chicken's ass!

/

8 seconds haha
GMTA

112 jorline  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:37:39pm
On Saturday, December 27, 2008, after eight years of continuing rocket attacks on its territory by Islamic terrorist organizations, Israel launched a full-scale military operation against the Hamas regime in the Gaza Strip.

The Gaza Rooster didn't have any problems with the IDF's actions.

113 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:37:45pm
114 lurking faith  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:37:46pm

re: #97 Honorary Yooper

Second time today someone's used that quote.

Hey, it's a classic.

115 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:37:56pm

re: #88 callahan23

Do you have that recipe. Then send it to reine.de.tout for the next cookbook. ;-)

How about a whole chapter of recipes in honor of the rooster.

Coq en keffiyeh

116 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:37:58pm

re: #107 Dianna

Not after it's dead, anyway. I imagine it wouldn't be too happy about it before that.

True ... you would have to get a Folsom Street Rooster for that.

117 turn  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:38:13pm

re: #93 Ben Hur

Thanks, I thought I read somewhere where it is now expressly forbidden under the IDF rules of engagement.

"Could be true, but why would anyone think that Hamas, etc would hesitate to ratchet up the civilian death count."

Not me, no doubt they use civilians as human shields.

118 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:39:40pm

re: #116 OldLineTexan

True ... you would have to get a Folsom Street Rooster for that.

Oh, dear.

Please pass the mind-floss before that leads to the punch line to a really dumb joke!

119 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:39:50pm

re: #106 HoosierHoops

Speaking of Roosters..God i hate Roosters..Years ago we had a neighbor that had a rooster.. Every morning at 4am i was pulling the pillow over my head cussing fowl...Should a buy a hand grenade today and put him out of his misery? Maybe hire a Marine Sharpshooter for the deadly shot...
AT 4:10am you are thinking maybe they would just buy another Rooster..
So What? Give them 15 minutes warning and blow the whole house up?
By 4:30am you lose your spirit..and sleep...Get up and fix coffee and stare out the window... Are RPG's available on the street?
God I hate Roosters
/

Had a malamut who jumped the back fence and took care of our rooster (and chicken) problem.

120 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:40:30pm

re: #118 Dianna

Oh, dear.

Please pass the mind-floss before that leads to the punch line to a really dumb joke!

"In Texas, rooster shoves beer can up YOUR ass!"

/

121 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:40:39pm

re: #119 Eowyn2

Had a malamut who jumped the back fence and took care of our rooster (and chicken) problem.

My neighbor pitched rocks at the white rooster hanging out in the dead space behind our houses.

122 lurking faith  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:41:06pm

Well, whaddaya know? I just topped 1,000 karma!

123 yochanan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:41:21pm

re: #118 Dianna

coq in leather

124 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:41:31pm

re: #116 OldLineTexan

True ... you would have to get a Folsom Street Rooster for that.

I feel dirty for dinging that one up.

125 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:41:58pm

re: #122 lurking faith

Well, whaddaya know? I just topped 1,000 karma!

Here's a spare. Go have fun by pissing someone off. I suggest AGW disciples, but that's just me.

/

126 yochanan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:42:12pm

re: #120 OldLineTexan

what else is lone star good for anyway?

127 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:42:26pm

re: #123 yochanan

coq in leather

Coq au (what's the French for leather?!)? Who knows, someone could probably create a recipe for that.

If that thought doesn't disturb you, it should.

128 lurking faith  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:42:43pm

re: #113 buzzsawmonkey

Obamacare--it's the Kidney Stone Bill.

Pass it now!

I bet it's not just huge, but has tons of nasty sharp edges.

129 turn  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:43:27pm

re: #94 buzzsawmonkey

Nice one! A song I've only heard a few times; you did good things with it.

Is this it?

ha, too funny.

130 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:43:39pm

re: #126 yochanan

what else is lone star good for anyway?

It's good for stretching your chili recipe or stripping paint.

Or if you're broke, and someone's giving it away.

Or if you have to pass a urinalysis and need a believable substitute.

131 callahan23  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:43:40pm

re: #122 lurking faith

Well, whaddaya know? I just topped 1,000 karma!

Congrats there. From now on it is an easy ride. You go.

132 SlartyBartfast  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:43:43pm

re: #122 lurking faith

Well, whaddaya know? I just topped 1,000 karma!

I'll give you a spare, too. I passed 1k-Karma a couple of weeks ago. Feels good, doesn't it?

133 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:43:58pm

re: #113 buzzsawmonkey

Obamacare--it's the Kidney Stone Bill.

Pass it now!

OWWW!

134 ryannon  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:44:07pm

re: #127 Dianna

Coq au (what's the French for leather?!)? Who knows, someone could probably create a recipe for that.

If that thought doesn't disturb you, it should.

leather is cuir in French.

Coq au cuir.

Yuk.

135 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:44:11pm

re: #48 Honorary Yooper

Gaza Fried Chicken? That's explosive stuff.

Traditional or extra shrapnel?

136 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:44:35pm

re: #126 yochanan

what else is lone star good for anyway?

football...c'mon

137 lurking faith  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:44:44pm

re: #125 OldLineTexan

Here's a spare. Go have fun by pissing someone off. I suggest AGW disciples, but that's just me.

/


So many targets, so little time.

138 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:44:57pm

re: #134 ryannon

leather is cuir in French.

Coq au cuir.

Yuk.

I KNOW you can get that on Folsom Street!

/

139 callahan23  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:45:18pm

re: #127 Dianna

Coq au (what's the French for leather?!)? Who knows, someone could probably create a recipe for that.

If that thought doesn't disturb you, it should.

That would be: Coq au cuir.

140 Erik The Red  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:45:21pm

Hell since we are pimping for karma I only need 6 more for 4000. Who is feeling generous today. :)

141 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:45:40pm

Well I declare!

I do believe that I have been down-dinged!

And by a Lansman!

142 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:46:22pm
143 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:46:32pm

On the "principle of last resort" - this is what Israel did in the West Bank. There, the attacks were via suicide bombers, so Israel instituted the barrier and checkpoints.
The usual people complain about that, too; showing that they really don't want Israel to defend itself in any way.

144 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:48:27pm

re: #142 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, indeed. Passing it will involve great pain.

I've had 'em. Get a pair of Vise Grips and tighten them down to one-half diameter of your left testicle*. Then apply.

/If you were once married to Mandy, just use whichever testicle is left.

145 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:48:47pm

dinging is like a narcotic...once you start you can't stop, you just ding even more...then when you are totally strung out you'll want your friends to be as addicted as you are and it becomes its own culture...buying, selling, panhandling, yes even stealing...beware the ding

146 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:49:45pm

re: #142 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, indeed. Passing it will involve great pain.

The real pain will start after it passes

147 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:50:06pm

re: #145 albusteve

dinging is like a narcotic...once you start you can't stop, you just ding even more...then when you are totally strung out you'll want your friends to be as addicted as you are and it becomes its own culture...buying, selling, panhandling, yes even stealing...beware the ding

The accepted term is "ding-whoring".

/

148 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:50:08pm

re: #140 Erik The Red

Hell since we are pimping for karma I only need 6 more for 4000. Who is feeling generous today. :)

Come on Lizards, one more for Erik!

149 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:51:11pm

re: #148 Desert Dog

Gotcha covered.

150 Erik The Red  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:51:55pm

1SG(ret), callahan23, Desert Dog, lurking faith, OldLineTexan, turn

Thank you Lizards.

151 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:52:03pm

you are now entering...the Ding Zone

152 lurking faith  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:52:20pm

re: #140 Erik The Red

Hell since we are pimping for karma I only need 6 more for 4000. Who is feeling generous today. :)

There ya go.

Although, strictly speaking, I didn't pimp for karma - I hit the milestone, then mentioned it.

(I don't get to hang out and post a lot; don't pick on my little victories!)
:p

153 callahan23  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:52:51pm

re: #150 Erik The Red

You deserve it bro'.
:-)

154 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:53:01pm

One of the things that is perplexing to me as a Jew is the way that Israel gets treated and how easily large masses of people buy the anti-Israel propaganda contrary to all reason.

I think many Jews in Israel have the issue too. Israeli counter-propaganda has been so lacking I think primarily because they know how they conduct military actions. They know that Israel is vastly more careful about civilian casualties then any other army in the world - even the US and even given that the US does a damn good job itself.

They know that they are the ones under constant attack. They know that we are the ones who actually want peace and have a stable government to seek it. They know that the Arabs, even if they had a real negotiating partner do not want peace, as evidenced by the constant attacks.

So given all of that, they assume that the rest of the world would get it. They assume that any reasonable person could see the facts for what they are and draw the proper conclusions. For example, if a group of people democratically elect a government that has sworn to destroy Israel and kill all Jews everywhere, then one might conclude that sending aid to those people after their democratically elected government wages war on Israel is above and beyond the call of duty. This should be obvious. The facts of how Israeli responses are conducted, after the greatest restraint should be obvious. No nation will absorb attack after attack indefinitely. Israelis know that if for instance, Mexico did one tenth of the things to Texas that the Palis do to Israelis, there would be no Mexico - and no one would raise a stink.

Yet, Jews are bombarded. We can point to Darfur, we can point to Rwanda, we can point to all sorts of places where the world was deafeningly silent. We can point to the fact that when Europe did nothing to reign in the Serbs, many Muslims became equally savage when no one did anything to stop the evil being perpetrated in the Bosnian civil war. Jews are nothing like those groups yet we are compared to them. As a kicker though, when the world did nothing about those actual genocides, suddenly the world happily screams false accusations against us.

So as we look at all of this we ask, why are we singled out? Aren't the actual facts plain as day to anyone with eyes to see or ears to hear? Why are the facts so hard to see? Why do people not want to see the facts?

The answer is one we do not want to face.

The answer is welcome to the wonderful world of being a Jew.

It does not matter if we are right. It does not matter how much we accomplish. It does not matter how much charity we give. It does not matter at all if we give back land or if we only fight to defend our wives and children.

Hatred is impossible to reason with. And that really is the point. We are hated to the point that we have no rights and no standing. 4,000 years of accomplishments mean nothing in the face of one hooked nose cartoon with a swastika.

In Europe for a while, there were posters that said Jews to Palestine! Now they shout Jews out of Palestine! Don't be here and don't be there simply means don't be.

I am not certain why my people have been so hated for so long. As an American , who was breast fed on notions of equality and the rights of men - dovetailed with my faith's notions of equality and the rights of men, I always try to judge people as little as possible, and if I must, on the actual content of their characters and their actual actions.

I suppose I expect naively that this is what most people would do. Even if I know that is not true, I still expect it, and give people the benefit of the doubt.

Of course many people do not think that way. Particularly when it comes to me. Not that I met them. Not that I ever did them any harm. But I am a Jew and therefore someone they want to degrade, revile or even kill.

That is not what gets me the most. I'm pretty expendable compared to the woman I love. Of course, they want to kill her too - and my mom and my sisters and nieces.

155 Clubsec  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:54:17pm

If the Hamanazis renew their rocket attacks I'd suggest that the IDF arrange for some brigade artillery to commence leveling the launch areas a square kilometer at a time. (I believe the IDF is equipped with something like FireFinder Radar). Emphasize to the UN and their muslim apologists that it is up to the Pali's to 'control' their own instigators or else suffer the consequences.

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:10:25pm

re: #61 yochanan

well i have the yellow flag with the snake and english don't tread on me i can print the hebrew on it but i don't know if anyone makes the blue israeli version. wish they did i would buy one.

I would too! GAWD that would be cool! I want one now!

157 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:15:52pm

And just to continue the thought, what of Jerusalem...

Be a good little Jew and give up the center of your culture... It is not as if your culture matters.

"Ohhh, you had a Temple there" say so many people, "but don't you realize that place is holy to other people too?" These are the nice ones even.. they at least acknowledge that there was a Temple.

The answer is:

NO, no it it really isn't, not as holy as it is to us, and even if it were, it is not theirs. Why should we be expected to give up who we are? You would not ask the Muslims to give up Mecca or the Catholics to give up Rome... Beyond the religious aspect, Jerusalem is also the core of a national identity. You would not ask The Brits to give up London or Americans to hand over the Liberty Bell.

But that's the issue of course. People acknowledge that Americans have a right to the LIberty Bell or that Catholics have a right to the Vatican. When faced with that, we are given yet another example of how we actually do not have rights.

Ohhh, Jews are frequently tolerated in the West - provided that we are good little Jews who are never too publicly Jewish, but the notion that we can and should be proud of our own culture heritage and identity is denied us. We just don't count in the eyes of so many.

Why would any nation be expected to give up it's capital and it's holiest places? Do we expect the Tibetans to "share" with the Chinese?

Again, the answer is one we do not want to face. The basic rights and dignities that the West would afford other cultures is not extended to us. We are told by these actions that our culture does not count.

I am not saying that everyone in the West hates Jews or that everyone in the West is unfair to us. However, too many are, and anytime someone goes off on the "rights" of others to Jerusalem or the Temple, they make plain how little they value us. This is after Jews have shown the greatest respect of other cultures and religions. Has one church or mosque (that wasn't being used for military purposes) in the holy land been destroyed by Jews? But of course so many think it should be that way. Not because it is the right and moral thing to be tolerant of others, but rather because should be good little Jews and recognize the "superior rights" of other cultures to our lands. After all, we don't count. Even in our own homeland.

158 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:21:01pm
159 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:25:50pm

re: #158 buzzsawmonkey

Updings for both.

Thanks for pointing out that Jews never gain title, while Arabs (in Israel) never lose it.

Buzzy I really do love you. Any good Scott should completely get what I'm saying.

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:33:20pm

re: #88 callahan23

Do you have that recipe. Then send it to reine.de.tout for the next cookbook. ;-)

How about a whole chapter of recipes in honor of the rooster.

"Recipes for a Gazan Rooster"...

I'm working on a really complicated Arab recipe from heck that may turn out well, and contains no chicken. If it succeeds, I'll submit it.

161 Shane  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:41:44pm

They should make a T-Shirt

Stop launching missles.
DO YOU HEAR ME NOW?

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:43:47pm

re: #127 Dianna

Coq au (what's the French for leather?!)? Who knows, someone could probably create a recipe for that.

If that thought doesn't disturb you, it should.

Cuir

163 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:04:27pm

I am very late to this thread but would like to comment that I dont think Israel went far enough.


Israel backed down to pressure from the UN and all the pro fakestinian supporters and got out of Gaza, handing complete control to them saying "Here is land, make a go of it, let us live side by side in peace" The arabs spat the offer back in their face. The arabs do not want peace, they want all Jews out of the middle east. Hamas, Fatah, hizbollah, the lot. Anything else they say is a lie.

Israel had put up with the bombings and the missiles and Cast Lead should have reclaimed the territory and kept going until, at least, they got their soldier back.

Go Israel. I support and pray for you always. Dont give away any of Jeruslem, dont give away any of the West Bank or the Golan Heights. You reclaimed that fair and square, it has always been your G-d given land.

164 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 5:07:28pm

Clarification of 154.

When I said:

They know that we are the ones who actually want peace and have a stable government to seek it. They know that the Arabs, even if they had a real negotiating partner do not want peace, as evidenced by the constant attacks.

I should have said:

They know that we are the ones who actually want peace and have a stable government to seek it. They know that the Arabs, even if they had a government that could be a real negotiating partner do not want peace, as evidenced by the constant attacks.

That is certainly the message I meant. I got caught up in my rant though.

165 blangwort  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 7:23:03pm

The problem with the Geneva Accords is that we're not dealing with a nation here. Israel is dealing with an enemy that hides behind the trappings of a constituency that seeks to become a nation. It's like the US going after AQ. The Taliban supported them, so they're being fought too.

I don't see the slightest problem with Israel going after Hamas, and those who support it. We would like to avoid collateral casualties, but when the enemy is embedded with them, you do whatever you can to kill them.

The difficulty is that we have constituencies within nations that are fighting a war with no boundaries. Either the nation does its best to control these groups, or the aggrieved country should have the right to put a stop to them with their own forces. The argument that "we don't control them, they're not us" is utter nonsense. If they're not lawful, and responsive to a government, then using force against them shouldn't be an issue.

166 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 7:43:38pm
167 Bill K.  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 11:15:38pm

Asa Kasher and Yaron Brook with Alex Epstein in the Objective Standard both reference Just and Unjust Wars by Michael Walzer but come to different conclusions on the necessity and propriety of Just War Theory.

In an article, "Just War Theory” vs. American Self-Defense Brook and Epstein write on the requirement that war must be a "last resort":

While in name Just War Theory claims to uphold a right to self-defense, in substance it denies this right. Self-defense, the theory holds, is a “just cause” for war. This means that if the people of a nation are suffering aggression, oppression, or genocide, and are themselves capable of stopping it, they are morally entitled to respond militarily. But—and this is the crucial part—only under strict conditions. Aggression from another nation is a “just cause,” according to Just War Theory, but only as a “last resort”—and only if the decision to go to war is motivated by “good intentions.” (These qualifications apply to “humanitarian” “just causes” as well, but we will focus on their application to alleged wars of self-defense.)

Let us first examine the requirement that war must be a “last resort.” This restriction is often portrayed as a sensible policy that simply entails taking the act of going to war seriously, rather than going to war willy-nilly. But, in fact, war as a “last resort” goes far beyond forbidding wars of whim or aggression; it means that a nation cannot go to war immediately even when there is an objective threat—that is, when another nation has shown the willingness to initiate aggression against it. Because the use of military force involves the harming of others, Just War Theory holds, every other conceivable avenue short of using military force must be tried: appeasement, U.N. resolutions, being persuaded by the crocodile tears of enemy leaders, and anything else that pacifists (or U.N. ambassadors) can muster.

What is an innocent nation to do when it knows of a threat that, if left unaddressed, could result in a catastrophic attack on it at some point in the future—such as the knowledge possessed by the U.S. of Iran, a nation that sponsors terrorism, spreads Islamic Totalitarianism, develops nuclear weapons, has attacked U.S. interests in the past, and promises the eventual destruction of America? Such projections are dismissed by Just War theorists as merely hypothetical (“How can we know what the future will hold?”). Projections of future attacks, they hold, are tainted by self-serving motives—that is, too much concern for one's own life and liberty, too little concern with the consequences of war on others (such as the Iranians)—and thus morally out of the question as a cause for action. For example, in 2002, Walzer told the New York Times: “we don't have to wait to be attacked; that's true. But you do have to wait until you are about to be attacked.”7

The requirement that war be a “last resort” is inimical to the requirements of self-defense, which demand that serious threats be stopped as soon as possible. Observe that evil nations and movements do not commit major atrocities out of the blue; they need time to build their forces, gain converts, extract concessions, and win small victories; they need to convince themselves and their followers that they have a chance of success. The earlier their intended victims retaliate, the less damage the thugs can do, and the easier it is to dispose of them.

Operation Cast Lead was an excellent opportunity to eradicate the scourge of Hamas. Unfortunately slavish devotion to Just War Theory essentially means that victory in war and the unconditional surrender of the enemy is no longer viewed as a valid option. Just War Theory condemns the practitioners to endless wars.


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