Obama’s Pseudo-Science Czar

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Here’s a report on another one of Barack Obama’s “czars” with a background of radical leftism and woo-woo quackery: Darwin Central: Obama’s Pseudoscience Czar.

DC forum member El Goodo has done some excellent detective work on Obama’s so-called economic czars, wading through dirty pools that other so-called muckrakers refuse to tread. The first person he’s looked into is “green jobs” czar Van Jones. In typical Wikipedia fashion, the checkered past and political extremism of a politically liberal public figure is almost completely discarded and that which is left is played down. As noted by El Goodo, Jones is a� former communist who was radicalized by the 1992 Los Angeles riots and has continued to associate himself with groups on the far left, including the Free Press, which advocates government control of the media, and the radical Oakland community organization Speak Out Now! As extreme as these groups may be, they’re still a far cry from the “revolutionary” groups Jones used to associate himself with, such as the now defunct Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM). I’m willing to accept that Jones may have changed his political tune somewhat. After all, Ronald Reagan was firmly on the left before he started shifting towards the right, and the term “neoconservative,” before the term became an Anti-Semitic code word among both the far left and right, was originally used to describe formerly left-leaning political and social scientists who found that following the facts led them away from socialism and modern liberalism.� Still, even if he has begrudgingly admitted the realities of the free market, Jones not only continues to deploy socialist rhetoric, but embraces some decidedly specious ideas.

Jones’s Wikipedia entry notes that he is a fellow of the Institute of Noetic Sciences. Founded by astronaut-turned-parapsychologist Edgar Mitchell, the Institute declares itself in mission statement to be “a nonprofit membership organization located in Northern California that conducts and sponsors leading-edge research into the potentials and powers of consciousness.”� It also goes on to say that it “explores phenomena that do not necessarily fit conventional scientific models, while maintaining a commitment to scientific rigor.”� The first part of that statement is correct, but as far as commitment to scientific rigor goes, you won’t find it at this institute.� The main areas of research are “extended human capacities” (just a fancy way of saying spoon-bending and reincarnation), “integral health and healing” ( not just the expected quack remedies and therapies, but even worse “distant healing” methods as well), and “emerging worldviews” (which combines ecological extremism with New Age spirituality). Members of the Institute’s board of directors and extended faculty include Bishop Desmond Tutu, professional pseudoscientist Rupert Sheldrake, religious left guru Michael Lerner, and the Clown Prince of Quackery himself, Deepak Chopra. You’ll find Van Jones listed as a fellow on the board of directors page, along with “collective consciousness” scholar Chris Bache and former Noetic Institute president� James O’Dea, who currently runs a variety of “spiritual” retreats and workshops.

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507 comments
1 mrbaracuda  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:42:18pm

Are only people appointed by Democrats called "czars", or was it the same with Bush et al? This term keeps popping up but I don't remember it from the Bush era for example.

2 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:43:21pm

We need a creationist in that position!

3 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:44:14pm

I once bent a spoon with my mind. The really cold ice cream had nothing to do with it.

4 davinvalkri  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:44:26pm

But remember, Democrats are the party of science and intelligence!
Feh...Republicans may have their creationist idiots, but Democrats have New-Age frippery to be just as non-scientific.

5 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:44:27pm
fellow of the Institute of Noetic Sciences

I HOPE EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WASN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH IS FUCKING HAPPY NOW!

6 yochanan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:44:44pm

just remember what happened to the last russian czar.

7 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:45:05pm
8 yochanan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:45:31pm

re: #5 MandyManners

I HOPE EVERYONE WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HE WASN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH IS FUCKING HAPPY NOW!

GET OUT YOUR CLUE BY 4

9 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:45:55pm

Womens Voter League Presidential Debate 2012...

Young Earth Creationist
vs.
New Age Seer

In a crystal on Bible death match!

Two go in and both go nuts!!!

10 lincolntf  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:46:05pm

It also goes on to say that it “explores phenomena that do not necessarily fit conventional scientific models, while maintaining a commitment to scientific rigor.”

Translation:

"I'm going to magically heal you over the phone, but I'll be wearing a really official looking lab coat when I do it."

11 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:46:14pm

OK, now I need to hide under my desk and whimper for a bit.

Next thing you know, we'll find a graduate of the Institute for Shamanic Studies among Obama's appointees.

12 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:46:35pm
Jones is a former communist who was radicalized by the 1992 Los Angeles riots and has continued to associate himself with groups on the far left, including the Free Press, which advocates government control of the media

How ironic.

13 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:46:49pm

re: #7 buzzsawmonkey

At least he's not a creationist.

Thank heavens the Democrats--popular, we are told by some here, among the more highly-educated and therefore rational strata of society--have given us someone who is clearly committed to rational and scientific pursuits.

He's probably very smart because he doesn't go to church.
/

14 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:47:10pm

Talking about Quackery, did Obama call the F-22 "obsolete" today?

15 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:47:12pm
distant healing...

Is that like phone sex?

16 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:47:24pm

re: #7 buzzsawmonkey

At least he's not a creationist.

Thank heavens the Democrats--popular, we are told by some here, among the more highly-educated and therefore rational strata of society--have given us someone who is clearly committed to rational and scientific pursuits.

There is nothing less rational than a highly educated person who has subscribed to crankery.

17 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:47:25pm

re: #9 DaddyG

Womens Voter League Presidential Debate 2012...

Young Earth Creationist
vs.
New Age Seer

In a crystal on Bible death match!

Two go in and both go nuts!!!

Shakradome! Two go in, but only one comes out!

18 davinvalkri  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:47:35pm

re: #11 Dianna

OK, now I need to hide under my desk and whimper for a bit.

Next thing you know, we'll find a graduate of the Institute for Shamanic Studies among Obama's appointees.

You mean like a Dungeons and Dragons fan or something a bit more distressing?

19 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:47:59pm

re: #15 experiencedtraveller

Is that like phone sex?

Only when Marvin Gaye is on the other end of the line.

20 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:48:00pm

re: #16 Dianna

There is nothing less rational than a highly educated person who has subscribed to crankery.

Like religion?

21 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:48:10pm

re: #15 experiencedtraveller

Is that like phone sex?

That's no instant, it took me a full minute last...ah...never mind.

22 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:48:23pm

re: #14 Nevergiveup

Talking about Quackery, did Obama call the F-22 "obsolete" today?

Is that what we used on the Germans after they bombed Pearl Harbor?

23 pink freud  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:48:41pm

re: #7 buzzsawmonkey

At least he's not a creationist.

Thank heavens the Democrats--popular, we are told by some here, among the more highly-educated and therefore rational strata of society--have given us someone who is clearly committed to rational and scientific pursuits.

As Running Bare calls them, acadamia nuts.

24 Lee Coller  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:48:44pm

re: #1 mrbaracuda

Are only people appointed by Democrats called "czars", or was it the same with Bush et al? This term keeps popping up but I don't remember it from the Bush era for example.

This term has been around a while. I heard it used frequently during the Bush term, Clinton term, Bush 41' term referring to heads of these various non-cabinet level departments.

25 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:48:47pm

Is he an anti-vaxer?

26 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:49:00pm

re: #10 lincolntf

It also goes on to say that it “explores phenomena that do not necessarily fit conventional scientific models, while maintaining a commitment to scientific rigor.”

Translation:

"I'm going to magically heal you over the phone, but I'll be wearing a really official looking lab coat when I do it."

Just remember, these are the self-same people who mock prayer for the sick. And they do, because the people praying are doing so to "some old guy in a nightshirt."

27 mrbaracuda  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:49:35pm

re: #24 Lee Coller

Thanks. :)

28 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:49:39pm

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

Like religion?


No... just other peoples religions.

/hold on a minute while I get the popcorn. This looks like it could get interesting.

29 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:49:46pm
The main areas of research are “extended human capacities” (just a fancy way of saying spoon-bending and reincarnation), “integral health and healing” ( not just the expected quack remedies and therapies, but even worse “distant healing” methods as well), and “emerging worldviews” (which combines ecological extremism with New Age spirituality)

I mean- this seems perfect for anti-vaxers.

30 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:50:06pm

Written by the head of IONS.

A spirit of change is in the air. Every sector of society has joined the chorus—teachers improving the quality of education, doctors finding solutions to our health care impasse, politicians rallying voters on the campaign trail, concerned citizens cleaning up our environment, and families seeking new economic opportunities.

But are we merely making surface changes or are we committed to a more fundamental evolution of our society? And how do we find the inspiration, skills, and supportive community to make change happen at the scale now required?

This is where the work of the Institute of Noetic Sciences is so vitally important. To paraphrase Einstein, we can't solve our problems working from the same frame of mind in which they were created. A collective evolution of our worldview is required.

For decades, researchers at IONS have shown that the barriers to deep, evolutionary change are often self-imposed. Too often we live in fear and with limited imagination. Through "inattentional blindness," we overlook opportunities.

SNIP

31 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:50:07pm
the Free Press, which advocates government control of the media

,

Is says so much doesn't it?

32 jorline  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:50:15pm

Obama's Science Czar Considered Forced Abortions, Sterilization as Population Growth Solutions

John Holdren, director of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy, considered compulsory abortions and other Draconian measures to shrink the human population in a 1977 science textbook.

The 1,000-page course book, which was co-written with environmental activists Paul and Anne Ehrlich, discusses and in one passage seems to advocate totalitarian measures to curb population growth, which it says could cause an environmental catastrophe.

The three authors summarize their guiding principle in a single sentence: "To provide a high quality of life for all, there must be fewer people."

33 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:50:28pm

I'd like to see James Randi straighten him out.

34 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:50:37pm

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

Like religion?

Religion is crankery? Really? Were you to say, "superstitious and magical beliefs accreted to religion are crankery", I would not argue with you. But religion itself?

I will leave that battle to those who are actively religious.

35 davinvalkri  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:50:57pm

re: #32 jorline

Obama's Science Czar Considered Forced Abortions, Sterilization as Population Growth Solutions

Charles and Zombie have covered this a few days back. The guy's more or less recanted his views.

36 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:50:59pm

mah haid it hurtz

37 zombie  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:51:13pm

I know all about Vann Jones -- I've even met him in person.

When I first heard he was being nominated by Obama, I was flabbergasted, and briefly pondered doing an "exposé" on him such as this one -- but finally decided against it, because i was simply "too close" to the subject.

Unfortunate.

Vann Jones is part of the Oakland culture. What really goes on behind closed doors, you would not believe.

38 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:51:15pm

re: #11 Dianna

OK, now I need to hide under my desk and whimper for a bit.

Next thing you know, we'll find a graduate of the Institute for Shamanic Studies among Obama's appointees.

He'll be the new health czar, medicine man Sitting Bullshit.
However, he'll have as much Native American in him as Ward Churchill.

39 Kragar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:51:21pm

re: #14 Nevergiveup

Talking about Quackery, did Obama call the F-22 "obsolete" today?

All weapons are obsolete under the new regime of Hopenchange. The mere fact we still have any are all thats keeping places like Iran and North Korea from embracing us like long lost brothers.

/

40 lincolntf  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:51:22pm

re: #24 Lee Coller

The first time I remember hearing it was when Bill Bennett became "Drug Czar". No idea if that was the first time it was used in the context of a Cabinet level position.

41 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:51:27pm

re: #35 davinvalkri

Charles and Zombie have covered this a few days back. The guy's more or less recanted his views.

But he's still full of crap.

42 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:51:32pm

re: #15 experiencedtraveller

Is that like phone sex?

Yes, and about as effective.

43 zombie  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:51:46pm

re: #35 davinvalkri

Charles and Zombie have covered this a few days back. The guy's more or less recanted his views.

Less.

44 mrbaracuda  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:51:49pm

re: #37 zombie

Now why did I read "in prison" first, lol.

45 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:52:05pm

re: #7 buzzsawmonkey

At least he's not a creationist.

Thank heavens the Democrats--popular, we are told by some here, among the more highly-educated and therefore rational strata of society--have given us someone who is clearly committed to rational and scientific pursuits.

AMEN!

/

46 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:52:24pm
47 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:52:32pm

re: #41 Ward Cleaver

But he's still full of crap.

As a Christmas goose.

48 jorline  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:52:34pm

re: #25 Sharmuta

Is he an anti-vaxer?

I'll bet he is...the weaker of the species will die...the strong vaxed survive.

49 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:52:50pm

re: #35 davinvalkri

Charles and Zombie have covered this a few days back. The guy's more or less recanted his views.

He has not recanted all of his views, such as the possibility of some oil company CEO's being prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

50 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:52:55pm

re: #18 davinvalkri

You mean like a Dungeons and Dragons fan or something a bit more distressing?

The Institute for Shamanic Studies exists. It is distressing, when you stop rolling on the floor laughing until your ribs hurt.

51 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:53:00pm

re: #44 mrbaracuda

Now why did I read "in prison" first, lol.

Is that like adding "in bed" to every sentence?

52 pink freud  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:53:02pm

re: #35 davinvalkri

Charles and Zombie have covered this a few days back. The guy's more or less recanted his views.

Of course he did ...relegated now to the dustbin labeled "Inconvenient Things I Said in the Past". I believe Sotomayor has a similar bin.

53 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:53:31pm

re: #47 OldLineTexan

As a Christmas goose.

It tastes better than rooster.

54 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:53:57pm
55 davinvalkri  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:53:58pm

re: #41 Ward Cleaver

But he's still full of crap.

re: #43 zombie

Less.

re: #49 MandyManners

He has not recanted all of his views, such as the possibility of some oil company CEO's being prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

Okay, so maybe not completely, but I think Charles figures he's not going to be "particularly" crappy in a sea of crap.

56 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:54:05pm

re: #28 DaddyG

No... just other peoples religions.

/hold on a minute while I get the popcorn. This looks like it could get interesting.

No it's not going to get interesting. Some will find this guy's "beliefs" as crazy, but their own religion as sane. Two hundred years ago, a guy named Joseph Smith started a movement, which now a days, is mostly respected in American religious circles. Hubbard's Scientology started 50 or so years ago, how many more years will it take for it to become mainstream?

And yes, this guy's "beliefs" may or may not become accepted doctrine, as a "religion."

It's all has to do with longevity, age, society, not facts.

57 beens21  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:54:17pm

I just moved some money into a fund focused on China b/c O seems intent on the US committing economic suicide. The more I read about these wackos, Holdren , Jones etc, the more I intend to put in Pacific Rim funds.What irony.

58 jorline  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:54:29pm

re: #35 davinvalkri

Charles and Zombie have covered this a few days back. The guy's more or less recanted his views.

Scary thought.

59 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:54:36pm
60 davinvalkri  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:54:41pm

re: #52 pink freud

Of course he did ...relegated now to the dustbin labeled "Inconvenient Things I Said in the Past". I believe Sotomayor has a similar bin.

Fair enough.

61 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:54:54pm

re: #51 Ward Cleaver

Is that like adding "in bed" to every sentence?

You add "in bed" to the end of every Chinese fortune cookie scroll.

62 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:55:10pm

The number of czars is quadrupling. I'm waiting for Ivan the Terrible.

63 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:55:23pm

re: #1 mrbaracuda

Are only people appointed by Democrats called "czars", or was it the same with Bush et al? This term keeps popping up but I don't remember it from the Bush era for example.

When you want to circumvent the normal Executive branch departments and not get all tangled up in that "congressional approval" and accountability nonsense, you make someone a "Czar". No nominating, no rubber stamping from Congress. And, the Czar reports directly to you. Obama is not only arrogant, he is sneaky too. Look for the Census to be handled this way, bypassing the the Dept. of Commerce. These Czars have already made Hillary be out of the loop for most "hot spots" in the world.

64 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:55:25pm

Start loving the technocracy... and that's an order!

65 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:55:48pm

re: #59 buzzsawmonkey

They've done good work among the shamanic-depressives, I'm told.

No, it's "Charminic Studies" - he squeezes toilet paper rolls.

66 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:56:00pm
67 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:56:12pm

re: #62 Eowyn2

The number of czars is quadrupling. I'm waiting for Ivan the Terrible.

We already have Obama the Not-so-Great-as-People-Thought

68 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:56:18pm

The Senate voted Monday night to make it a federal crime to attack a U.S. service member, someone in their immediate family or their property.

By 92-0 vote, the Senate created new specific federal crimes for attacking U.S. service members or their families because of their status. This would put them in the same class of protected federal officials such as postal workers and federal law enforcement officials, said Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., the chief sponsor of the legislation.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

69 zombie  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:56:27pm

re: #32 jorline

Obama's Science Czar Considered Forced Abortions, Sterilization as Population Growth Solutions

Fox is shameless is lifting my essay almost in toto and rewriting it.

70 jorline  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:56:27pm

re: #52 pink freud

Of course he did ...relegated now to the dustbin labeled "Inconvenient Things I Said in the Past". I believe Sotomayor has a similar bin.

Ohhh and don't forget Billy Ayers. I was for civil unrest and bombings before I was against it.

71 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:56:30pm

re: #37 zombie

I know all about Vann Jones -- I've even met him in person.

When I first heard he was being nominated by Obama, I was flabbergasted, and briefly pondered doing an "exposé" on him such as this one -- but finally decided against it, because i was simply "too close" to the subject.

Unfortunate.

Vann Jones is part of the Oakland culture. What really goes on behind closed doors, you would not believe.

Do you have the pictures?

72 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:57:01pm

re: #65 OldLineTexan

No, it's "Charminic Studies" - he squeezes toilet paper rolls.

I was thinking Sharmutan Studies

73 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:57:19pm

re: #34 Dianna

Religion is crankery? Really?

Yep. To quote myself...

Some will find this guy's "beliefs" as crazy, but their own religion as sane. Two hundred years ago, a guy named Joseph Smith started a movement, which now a days, is mostly respected in American religious circles. Hubbard's Scientology started 50 or so years ago, how many more years will it take for it to become mainstream? And yes, this guy's "beliefs" may or may not become accepted doctrine, as a "religion." It's all has to do with longevity, age, society, not facts.

74 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:57:21pm

re: #1 mrbaracuda

Are only people appointed by Democrats called "czars", or was it the same with Bush et al? This term keeps popping up but I don't remember it from the Bush era for example.

It's a term invented by the press, fairly recently; I don't recall the original application, but I'm certain it wasn't complimentary.

The current Administration seems to have adopted it for it's own use, apparently an example of life imitating art.

75 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:57:31pm

I'm so sick of these motherfuckers.

76 davinvalkri  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:57:44pm

re: #69 zombie

Fox is shameless is lifting my essay almost in toto and rewriting it.

Are you going to sue for plagiarism? That's really bad stuff...

77 Lee Coller  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:57:58pm

re: #40 lincolntf

The first time I remember hearing it was when Bill Bennett became "Drug Czar". No idea if that was the first time it was used in the context of a Cabinet level position.

According to wikipedia this is the first time it was used:

Drug Czar is an informal name for the person who directs drug-control policies in the United States. The 'czar' title was first used to refer to an appointed government official in a Time Magazine article in December 1973, referring to William E. Simon's appointment as the head of the Federal Energy Administration.[

78 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:58:12pm

Czar is derived from Caesar. I am not fond of granting even the symbolic title of Emperor to elected officials of the United States much less unelected ones.

79 turn  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:58:17pm

stoopid question: Do these Czars get a salary? I'm assuming they do and it would be really interesting to add the cost of all this czar crap up.

80 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:58:21pm

re: #74 SixDegrees

It's a term invented by the press, fairly recently; I don't recall the original application, but I'm certain it wasn't complimentary.

The current Administration seems to have adopted it for it's own use, apparently an example of life imitating art.

They think "commissar" sounds too Communist, so they went with "czar".
//

81 zombie  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:58:28pm

re: #71 Eowyn2

Do you have the pictures?

Sadly, no -- another reason why I didn't go after Jones.

82 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:58:40pm

re: #68 Nevergiveup

The Senate voted Monday night to make it a federal crime to attack a U.S. service member, someone in their immediate family or their property.

By 92-0 vote, the Senate created new specific federal crimes for attacking U.S. service members or their families because of their status. This would put them in the same class of protected federal officials such as postal workers and federal law enforcement officials, said Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., the chief sponsor of the legislation.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

wonder what they will have to give up for this piece of overdue legislation? perhaps their health care?

83 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:58:45pm

re: #24 Lee Coller

This term has been around a while. I heard it used frequently during the Bush term, Clinton term, Bush 41' term referring to heads of these various non-cabinet level departments.

The use of "czars" goes all the way back to 1832 according to one article I found. Obama currently has 33. I believe I read that the previous high count for a president was something like 12.

84 jorline  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:58:53pm

re: #37 zombie

I know all about Vann Jones -- I've even met him in person.

When I first heard he was being nominated by Obama, I was flabbergasted, and briefly pondered doing an "exposé" on him such as this one -- but finally decided against it, because i was simply "too close" to the subject.

Unfortunate.

Vann Jones is part of the Oakland culture. What really goes on behind closed doors, you would not believe.

Hopefully not alley pic zombie.
//

85 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:58:53pm

re: #69 zombie

Fox is shameless is lifting my essay almost in toto and rewriting it.

I saw Malkin giving you credit in her column in a newspaper the other day.

86 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:58:56pm
87 beens21  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:59:00pm

re: #66 MandyManners

George Zimmer, the Mens Warehouse guy?!

88 Erik The Red  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:59:01pm

re: #75 TheMatrix31

I'm so sick of these motherfuckers.

Come on Matrix tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back.

89 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:59:10pm

Hy-Vee Food Stores Inc. will donate $250,000 to a charitable organization that provides free tours of war memorials in Washington, D.C., to World War II veterans, the West Des Moines grocer plans to announce today.

Honor Flight, a Springfield, Ohio, charity, arranges to fly veterans to see memorials for World War II and the Vietnam and Korean wars as well as trips to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

The gift will allow 375 central Iowa World War II veterans to fly round-trip free from Des Moines to the nation's capital later this summer or in the early fall, organizers said Wednesday.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

A very nice gesture. And if you live near one of their stores, why not support them.
[Link: www.hy-vee.com...]

90 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:59:11pm

re: #74 SixDegrees

It's a term invented by the press, fairly recently; I don't recall the original application, but I'm certain it wasn't complimentary.

The current Administration seems to have adopted it for it's own use, apparently an example of life imitating art.

I think the first one was the Drug Czar under Reagan.

91 Dreader1962  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 1:59:37pm

Oh perfect!

Witch doctors on both sides of the isle:

Republicans -- Creationists (with an appetizer of Nirther whack jobs)
Democrats -- New-Age Gaia worshippers (with a side of neo-Luddites)

That's all that's on the menu, it seems...

92 zombie  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:00:01pm

re: #76 davinvalkri

Are you going to sue for plagiarism? That's really bad stuff...

Well, they went to the trouble of rewriting my essay, so I have no claim. But every point they make and the whole thrust of the article is basically "borrowed" from me or FrontPage.

93 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:00:31pm

re: #88 Erik The Red

Come on Matrix tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back.

I'm holding back, my friend :)

94 lurking faith  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:00:34pm

re: #14 Nevergiveup

Talking about Quackery, did Obama call the F-22 "obsolete" today?


`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'

95 zombie  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:00:50pm

re: #85 MandyManners

I saw Malkin giving you credit in her column in a newspaper the other day.

Whatever your opinion of her politics - - she is an ethical journalist.

96 Dreader1962  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:00:50pm

re: #68 Nevergiveup

The Senate voted Monday night to make it a federal crime to attack a U.S. service member, someone in their immediate family or their property.

By 92-0 vote, the Senate created new specific federal crimes for attacking U.S. service members or their families because of their status. This would put them in the same class of protected federal officials such as postal workers and federal law enforcement officials, said Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., the chief sponsor of the legislation.

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

I'm not a fan of 'special protection' laws - a crime is a crime. It smacks of 'some animals are more equal than others'.

97 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:01:12pm

re: #87 beens21

George Zimmer, the Mens Warehouse guy?!

Yup, that's him. You have his word on it.

98 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:01:37pm

re: #92 zombie

Well, they went to the trouble of rewriting my essay, so I have no claim. But every point they make and the whole thrust of the article is basically "borrowed" from me or FrontPage.

Just curious. If one of the Fox shows invited you on as a guest "topic expert" and gave your blog publicity that way, would you consider that an acceptable trade?

99 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:01:47pm
100 davinvalkri  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:01:51pm

re: #92 zombie

Well, they went to the trouble of rewriting my essay, so I have no claim. But every point they make and the whole thrust of the article is basically "borrowed" from me or FrontPage.

They could at least cite you...I'd probably get my butt kicked out of school if every idea in one of my papers was taken whole-sale from online sites.

101 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:02:11pm
Members of the Institute’s board of directors and extended faculty include Bishop Desmond Tutu, professional pseudoscientist Rupert Sheldrake, religious left guru Michael Lerner, and the Clown Prince of Quackery himself, Deepak Chopra. You’ll find Van Jones listed as a fellow on the board of directors page, along with “collective consciousness” scholar Chris Bache and former Noetic Institute president James O’Dea, who currently runs a variety of “spiritual” retreats and workshops.

PZ Myers has a bit more on Deepak Chopra. The guy is a complete whacko, and is an anti-evolutionist. This is the sort of person Van Jones associates with from reading the board of directors page.

102 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:02:12pm

re: #61 OldLineTexan

You add "in bed" to the end of every Chinese fortune cookie scroll.

In the Bedroom either before or after reading the fortune cookie works well.

103 mrbaracuda  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:02:37pm

re: #63 Desert Dog

Thanks to you and all the others who have answered my question. I have one for you regarding the latter part about getting Hillary outside the loop on foreign relations and as you called them hot spots. Who are you referring to here?

104 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:02:44pm

re: #95 zombie

Whatever your opinion of her politics - - she is an ethical journalist.

Must drive Alex Jones nuts.

105 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:02:54pm

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

No it's not going to get interesting. Some will find this guy's "beliefs" as crazy, but their own religion as sane. Two hundred years ago, a guy named Joseph Smith started a movement, which now a days, is mostly respected in American religious circles. Hubbard's Scientology started 50 or so years ago, how many more years will it take for it to become mainstream?

And yes, this guy's "beliefs" may or may not become accepted doctrine, as a "religion."

It's all has to do with longevity, age, society, not facts.


I was kidding Walter (see /) Although I believe that crazy Joseph Smith guy and don't follow Hubbard for my own reasons.

I am in complete agreement that ideology makes for bad politics, even my own. Thats why we have a constitutional republic (or at least had...)

106 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:03:11pm

I nominate Salamantis for a science czar position. No one is a bigger defender of science on LGF than Sal. He'd be great and do us proud.

107 Erik The Red  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:03:11pm

bbiab. I am doing laundry. Man it kinda sucks. I don't mind putting it into the washing machine and the dryer but how the hell do you fold the shirts right? And why is there ALWAYS one sock missing.

108 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:03:25pm

How many "Czars" are we up to now? 32, 33? This is ridiculous! These are people appointed by and only loyal to Obama; no congressional oversight, no real rules for the road.

Does no one in the MSM or the Republican party have a problem with this that they can't jump up and scream STOP IT!

Obama runs roughshod over the Constitution and there's barely a whimper.

109 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:03:26pm

re: #87 beens21

George Zimmer, the Mens Warehouse guy?!

Could there be more than one George Zimmer?

110 anova  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:03:44pm

re: #37 zombie

I know all about Vann Jones -- I've even met him in person.

When I first heard he was being nominated by Obama, I was flabbergasted, and briefly pondered doing an "exposé" on him such as this one -- but finally decided against it, because i was simply "too close" to the subject.

Unfortunate.

Vann Jones is part of the Oakland culture. What really goes on behind closed doors, you would not believe.

Zombie, spill the beans please don't leave us hanging.

111 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:04:00pm
112 callahan23  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:04:16pm

re: #106 Sharmuta

I nominate Salamantis for a science czar position. No one is a bigger defender of science on LGF than Sal. He'd be great and do us proud.

I second that.

113 zombie  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:04:49pm

re: #98 Pianobuff

Just curious. If one of the Fox shows invited you on as a guest "topic expert" and gave your blog publicity that way, would you consider that an acceptable trade?

They've invited me on several times. I have to say no, to keep anonymous. Them's the breaks. A Fox affiliate radio station invited me on the air just two days ago.

114 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:04:50pm

Oldie but Goodie.

115 mrbaracuda  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:04:59pm

re: #104 MandyManners

He spat on her when she was at around the.. I think it was the RNC. Let me get the video! Here it is. Somewhere in there is the scene where he spits on her.

116 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:05:05pm

re: #108 Russkilitlover

How many "Czars" are we up to now? 32, 33? This is ridiculous! These are people appointed by and only loyal to Obama; no congressional oversight, no real rules for the road.

Does no one in the MSM or the Republican party have a problem with this that they can't jump up and scream STOP IT!

Obama runs roughshod over the Constitution and there's barely a whimper.

Here's part of the list.

117 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:05:12pm

re: #107 Erik The Red

bbiab. I am doing laundry. Man it kinda sucks. I don't mind putting it into the washing machine and the dryer but how the hell do you fold the shirts right? And why is there ALWAYS one sock missing.

Um, hang shirts on hangers. And buy socks 18 pair at a time.

118 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:05:15pm

re: #101 Honorary Yooper

PZ Myers has a bit more on Deepak Chopra. The guy is a complete whacko, and is an anti-evolutionist. This is the sort of person Van Jones associates with from reading the board of directors page.

Wow, Chopra could be Bobby Jindal's brother. Good grief.

119 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:05:34pm

re: #108 Russkilitlover

How many "Czars" are we up to now? 32, 33? This is ridiculous! These are people appointed by and only loyal to Obama; no congressional oversight, no real rules for the road.

Does no one in the MSM or the Republican party have a problem with this that they can't jump up and scream STOP IT!

Obama runs roughshod over the Constitution and there's barely a whimper.

I don't see it as unConstitutional...he can hire whoever he wants to advise him can't he?

120 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:06:04pm

re: #115 mrbaracuda

He spat on her when she was at around the.. I think it was the RNC. Let me get the video! Here it is. Somewhere in there is the scene where he spits on her.

DNC convention in Denver.

121 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:06:11pm

re: #104 MandyManners

Must drive Alex Jones nuts.

He's already there.

122 zombie  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:06:22pm

re: #110 anova

Zombie, spill the beans please don't leave us hanging.

Sorry! When the spotlight comes close to your own toes, time to turn it off.

123 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:06:26pm

re: #106 Sharmuta

I nominate Salamantis for a science czar position. No one is a bigger defender of science on LGF than Sal. He'd be great and do us proud.

Obama's doing us proudly. In the butt.

124 yochanan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:06:31pm

re: #54 buzzsawmonkey

BUT YOU WOULD PUT THE GUYS WHO MAKE PAPER SCHREDERS OUT OF WORK

125 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:06:32pm

ranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's controversial choice as vice president, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaie, stated on Tuesday he intends to stay on in the post despite massive opposition, and explained a surprise comment on Israel was part of psychological warfare.

Mashaie, whose daughter is married to Ahmadinejad's son, is an outspoken figure who last year earned the wrath of many, including supreme leader Ali Khamenei, for saying Iran was a "friend of the Israeli people."

But on Tuesday, Mashaie said that "What I said has nothing to do with the Israeli regime ... In fact, it was a psychological war against the Israeli regime," AFP cited the Iranian VP as telling the IRNA news agency.

"What I said was that this regime was in a mess and that this regime no longer enjoyed international support. I did not say that we suddenly had become cousins and friends," he reportedly added.

Is this guy the Joe Biden of Iran?

126 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:06:36pm
127 opnion  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:06:38pm

Other presidents have had Czars for one thing or another , but BHO has an unprecednted ove 30.
No confirmation hearings or Congressional oversight of these people & there are some really strange people.
It looks like a shadow government with Allegiance only to Obama.
Hmmm, what is our President up to?

128 steve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:06:46pm

re: #69 zombie

Fox is shameless is lifting my essay almost in toto and rewriting it.

Have you thought about placing them side-by-side on your website for all to see?

129 mrbaracuda  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:06:50pm

re: #113 zombie

Or that. :>

Ore: #120 MandyManners

Ooh, secretive zombie. How many of your former friends have you had to kill to shut them up? Tell us! ;)

130 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:06:55pm

re: #101 Honorary Yooper

PZ Myers has a bit more on Deepak Chopra. The guy is a complete whacko, and is an anti-evolutionist. This is the sort of person Van Jones associates with from reading the board of directors page.

Oprah loves him.

131 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:07:32pm

re: #119 albusteve

I don't see it as unConstitutional...he can hire whoever he wants to advise him can't he?

If they are part of policy making then they damn well need accountability, not to mention Congressional vetting. I think Mandy's list shows that these are not mere advisors, looks like these folks make and direct policy. And I don't like it one bit.

132 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:07:47pm

re: #127 opnion

Other presidents have had Czars for one thing or another , but BHO has an unprecednted ove 30.
No confirmation hearings or Congressional oversight of these people & there are some really strange people.
It looks like a shadow government with Allegiance only to Obama.
Hmmm, what is our President up to?

Representation is for the little people.

133 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:08:04pm

re: #127 opnion

Other presidents have had Czars for one thing or another , but BHO has an unprecednted ove 30.
No confirmation hearings or Congressional oversight of these people & there are some really strange people.
It looks like a shadow government with Allegiance only to Obama.
Hmmm, what is our President up to?

his Kitchen Cabinet...no big deal

134 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:08:19pm

re: #121 Ward Cleaver

He's already there.

Along with David Icke.

135 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:08:29pm

re: #113 zombie

They've invited me on several times. I have to say no, to keep anonymous. Them's the breaks. A Fox affiliate radio station invited me on the air just two days ago.

Interesting. Too bad they couldn't give you the dark lighting and alter your voice, etc. It would almost be like a persona, The Anonymous Blogger... If gigs dried up, you could switch to pro wrestling (wearing some sort of disguise of course).

In all seriousness, I appreciate the effort you put into this research and hope that you might (re)consider giving us your take on Vann Jones.

136 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:08:35pm
137 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:08:43pm

re: #128 steve

Have you thought about placing them side-by-side on your website for all to see?

Ooooh, good idea.

138 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:08:44pm

re: #80 Kosh's Shadow

They think "commissar" sounds too Communist, so they went with "czar".
//

'Czar' isn't exactly an endearing term, either. The Revolution wasn't without cause or merit.

139 mrbaracuda  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:09:03pm

re: #134 MandyManners

Would you believe there's a verbatim German language site copying all his stuff, even dubbing some of his crap, spouting the same garbage day after day after day?

140 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:09:03pm

"Noetic sciences?" "government control of the media?"

This freak makes Holdren look like a Baptist preacher.

141 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:09:06pm

re: #133 albusteve

his Kitchen Cabinet...no big deal


With a kitchen cabinet that big no wonder he needs all of that ham. /

142 zombie  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:09:09pm

re: #129 mrbaracuda

Ooh, secretive zombie. How many of your former friends have you had to kill to shut them up? Tell us! ;)

I have no former friends.

...Anymore, at least.

RIP.

/

143 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:09:09pm

re: #136 buzzsawmonkey

With granite floor!

Whoops!

/ow, my head!

144 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:09:17pm

re: #118 Ward Cleaver

Wow, Chopra could be Bobby Jindal's brother. Good grief.

Chopra is an example of what I was talking about a couple of threads ago regarding Democratic anti-evolutionists. They do exist, and in far larger numbers than they'd like you to believe.

145 yochanan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:09:27pm

re: #130 MandyManners

Oprah loves him.

oprah just proves the rich are different VERY VERY DIFFERENT

146 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:09:38pm

re: #139 mrbaracuda

Would you believe there's a verbatim German language site copying all his stuff, even dubbing some of his crap, spouting the same garbage day after day after day?

Even the anit-Semitic shit?

147 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:09:56pm

New York Assemblyman Proposes 'Madoff Bill' to Punish Wealthy Inmates
New York Republican Assemblyman Jim Tedisco has authored a bill requiring rich inmates to pay state and federal governments the cost of housing them in prison.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

What if you refuse to pay, do they kick you out of prison?

148 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:10:17pm

re: #145 yochanan

oprah just proves the rich are different VERY VERY DIFFERENT

In her case, very nuts.

149 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:10:34pm

re: #131 Russkilitlover

If they are part of policy making then they damn well need accountability, not to mention Congressional vetting. I think Mandy's list shows that these are not mere advisors, looks like these folks make and direct policy. And I don't like it one bit.

I do not believe it is illegal...

150 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:10:47pm

re: #145 yochanan

oprah just proves the rich are different VERY VERY DIFFERENT

And not necessarily bright.

151 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:10:47pm

re: #133 albusteve

his Kitchen Cabinet...no big deal

He's with his Dutch kitchen cabinet, preparing to tenderize the peoples' brains and serving up half-baked plots for rare and bloody stakes.
And if we beef, he gives us the bird.
That chicken. And we must eagle crow.
What a raw deal.
-- From "Escaping from the Declining Fall of the Roaming Umpire" by Phil Proctor and Peter Bergman of Firesign Theatre.

152 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:10:57pm

re: #130 MandyManners

Oprah loves him.

Oprah.

Chopra.

There's a hilarious joke in there somewhere. But it's 5:00 and my blood sugar is low.

153 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:11:01pm

re: #112 callahan23

I second that.

I nominate Charles for Entertainment Czar...I'll bet he knows a few players..
Erik is the bartender Czar...Nobody works the booze without his consent
I nominate Armywife to run the entire Veterans administration..
I nominate OR for the supermodel Czar..And all Fashion issues within our borders
MandyManners? Dept of Defense...Nobody fucks with Mandy
Sharm? You get Chief of Staff
Hoopster? Somebody give me a pro sports team..I won't bother you again...I promise! LOL

154 callahan23  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:11:27pm
It also goes on to say that it “explores phenomena that do not necessarily fit conventional scientific models, while maintaining a commitment to scientific rigor.” The first part of that statement is correct, but as far as commitment to scientific rigor goes, you won’t find it at this institute. The main areas of research are “extended human capacities” (just a fancy way of saying spoon-bending and reincarnation), “integral health and healing” ( not just the expected quack remedies and therapies, but even worse “distant healing” methods as well), and “emerging worldviews” (which combines ecological extremism with New Age spirituality).

This kind of quackery is what I heard more and more of (when I dared to listen) from my now estranged wife.
I am quite literally and personally pissed off of this shit.

155 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:11:45pm

re: #147 Nevergiveup

New York Assemblyman Proposes 'Madoff Bill' to Punish Wealthy Inmates
New York Republican Assemblyman Jim Tedisco has authored a bill requiring rich inmates to pay state and federal governments the cost of housing them in prison.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

What if you refuse to pay, do they kick you out of prison?

You get evicted, and have to move in with Helen Thomas.

/yuck

156 opnion  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:11:50pm

re: #133 albusteve

his Kitchen Cabinet...no big deal

I think that it is more than that & tell me thaty our being sarcastic.

157 jaunte  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:11:52pm

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel

"Noetic sciences?" "government control of the media?"

This freak makes Holdren look like a Baptist preacher.

"Distant healing" seems to fit into the new distancing strategies we'll see in health care.

158 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:11:54pm
159 haakondahl  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:11:58pm

re: #35 davinvalkri

Charles and Zombie have covered this a few days back. The guy's more or less recanted his views.

Less.

160 pink freud  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:12:15pm

re: #130 MandyManners

Oprah loves him.

If I didn't already know what a whackjob he is, that alone would do it for me.

161 mrbaracuda  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:12:24pm

re: #146 MandyManners

Sure, but maybe not as openly. They don't copy ALL the stuff mind you. They're way too lame for that. [Link: infokrieg.tv...] They do peddle all the bullshit "documentaries" though, but these days only with subtitles for the stupid Germans.

I run a blog akin to zombies about these freaks (click my avatar picture to have a look if you want). I felt very sick after wading through all the bullshit when they peddled George Galloway's PR act in Gaza as a good thing. Bah.

162 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:12:25pm

re: #127 opnion

Other presidents have had Czars for one thing or another , but BHO has an unprecednted ove 30.
No confirmation hearings or Congressional oversight of these people & there are some really strange people.
It looks like a shadow government with Allegiance only to Obama.
Hmmm, what is our President up to?

I call it the "Czar Chamber".

163 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:13:13pm

re: #130 MandyManners

Oprah loves him.

Wouldn't shock me anymore to see Oprah endorcing Chopra's version of Intelligent Design. She's already endorced anti-vaxers.

164 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:13:16pm

re: #153 HoosierHoops

I nominate Charles for Entertainment Czar...I'll bet he knows a few players..
Erik is the bartender Czar...Nobody works the booze without his consent
I nominate Armywife to run the entire Veterans administration..
I nominate OR for the supermodel Czar..And all Fashion issues within our borders
MandyManners? Dept of Defense...Nobody fucks with Mandy
Sharm? You get Chief of Staff
Hoopster? Somebody give me a pro sports team..I won't bother you again...I promise! LOL

I'll be the Young Blood Czar

165 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:13:31pm

re: #157 jaunte

"Distant healing" seems to fit into the new distancing strategies we'll see in health care.

"Now just hold the phone over your liver."

/om

166 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:13:49pm

re: #109 MandyManners

Could there be more than one George Zimmer?

Click thru, it's got his bio.

167 opnion  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:13:49pm

re: #153 HoosierHoops

I nominate Charles for Entertainment Czar...I'll bet he knows a few players..
Erik is the bartender Czar...Nobody works the booze without his consent
I nominate Armywife to run the entire Veterans administration..
I nominate OR for the supermodel Czar..And all Fashion issues within our borders
MandyManners? Dept of Defense...Nobody fucks with Mandy
Sharm? You get Chief of Staff
Hoopster? Somebody give me a pro sports team..I won't bother you again...I promise! LOL

Cubs are for sale & your time is always your own during the World Series.

168 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:13:58pm

re: #96 Dreader1962

I'm not a fan of 'special protection' laws - a crime is a crime. It smacks of 'some animals are more equal than others'.

You weren't stationed at Fort Lewis when the protesters were throwing bricks at the vehicles leaving the base were you? My daughter and her husband were. She wouldn't drive off base with her baby in the car. Misdemeanor assault charges. Pay the fine, come back tomorrow. No Hate Crime folks. No criminal 'intent.' No news on the MFM.

169 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:14:02pm

ION's partners.

Yep, Men's Warehouse is a partner.

170 mikalm  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:14:44pm

re: #97 Ward Cleaver

Yup, that's him. You have his word on it.

Among other things, Zimmer was one of the driving forces behind California's Prop 215 medical-marijuana initiative, so I'm not surprised.

171 opnion  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:14:47pm

re: #162 Pianobuff

I call it the "Czar Chamber".

You should email that to Dennis Miller.

172 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:14:55pm

re: #140 Shiplord Kirel

"Noetic sciences?" "government control of the media?"

This freak makes Holdren look like a Baptist preacher.

True. I thought Holdren was bad, but Van Jones leaves him in the dust.

173 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:14:58pm

re: #153 HoosierHoops

I nominate Charles for Entertainment Czar...I'll bet he knows a few players..
Erik is the bartender Czar...Nobody works the booze without his consent
I nominate Armywife to run the entire Veterans administration..
I nominate OR for the supermodel Czar..And all Fashion issues within our borders
MandyManners? Dept of Defense...Nobody fucks with Mandy
Sharm? You get Chief of Staff
Hoopster? Somebody give me a pro sports team..I won't bother you again...I promise! LOL

Can I be Mandy's sgt at arms?

174 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:15:00pm

re: #169 MandyManners

ION's partners.

Yep, Men's Warehouse is a partner.

They get a great deal on their suits.

175 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:15:35pm

re: #170 mikalm

Among other things, Zimmer was one of the driving forces behind California's Prop 215 medical-marijuana initiative, so I'm not surprised.

Wow.

176 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:15:40pm

re: #156 opnion

I think that it is more than that & tell me thaty our being sarcastic.

what's the point in getting in a tizzy over it?...Congress does not deserve to know everybody that the executive talks to...I believe the SC ruled on that...nothing BO does surprises me...I was nearly frantic about it all last summer...he's the real deal

177 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:16:34pm

Spontaneous Remission.

In 1993, the Institute of Noetic Sciences published Spontaneous Remission: An Annotated Bibliography. In this work, the authors, Caryle Hirshberg and the late Brendan O'Regan defined spontaneous remission as "the disappearance, complete or incomplete, of a disease or cancer without medical treatment or treatment that is considered inadequate to produce the resulting disappearance of disease symptoms or tumor."

Because there was no standard reference for the field of spontaneous remission before that time, the first task of the Remission Project at IONS was to catalogue the world’s medical literature on the subject. As a result, it assembled the largest database of medically reported cases of spontaneous remission in the world, with more than 3,500 references from more than 800 journals in 20 different languages.

While the authors believe that the phenomenon of remission is relatively rare, the data from their research suggest that it may not be as rare as previously believed. It appears that the impression of rarity is at least partly an artifact of underreporting, but research shows there has been an increase in the number of cases reported in the last few decades.

178 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:16:42pm
179 lincolntf  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:16:45pm

re: #174 Ward Cleaver

But do they do "distant alterations"?

180 Buck  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:16:58pm

re: #32 jorline

IN the 70's the population boom was the 'end of the world' scenario de jour.

Today it is Global Warming.

I don't think the stuff he suggested for stopping the 70's end of the world to be any worse than the solutions being brought forward for the 2000's end of the world.

I mean if humans are the cause of global warming then less humans... less GW right?

Every generation creates an end of the world worry, and every generation is proved wrong.

Oh, but this time it is serious...

Hah

181 mikalm  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:17:15pm

re: #175 Ward Cleaver

Wow.

The dude's worth about nine figures, and throws his money at causes he likes. I actually met him once -- nice guy, but very New-Agey.

182 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:17:18pm

Gotta' go cook a dead animal and feed the hordes.

183 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:17:58pm

re: #182 MandyManners

Gotta' go cook a dead animal and feed the hordes.

Looks like meat's back on the menu?

184 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:18:30pm

re: #182 MandyManners

Gotta' go cook a dead animal and feed the hordes.

Rooster?

185 opnion  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:19:00pm

re: #176 albusteve

what's the point in getting in a tizzy over it?...Congress does not deserve to know everybody that the executive talks to...I believe the SC ruled on that...nothing BO does surprises me...I was nearly frantic about it all last summer...he's the real deal

Yeah, it's tough for him to surprise me , since I do assume the worst.
The difference with all of these Czars is that it looks like they trump cabinet Secrearies who at least went through confirmation hearings.
It seems really creepy to me, they are more than advisors.

186 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:19:03pm

re: #128 steve

Have you thought about placing them side-by-side on your website for all to see?

Or post your original in their comments section.

187 jaunte  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:19:09pm
The institute explores consciousness from three perspectives:

(1) First-person perspective — Supporting individuals exploring and developing their own subjective consciousness (e.g., meditation and other spiritual practices). Emphasis on inner knowing and personal transformation.

(2) Second-person perspective — Exploring and supporting transformative relationships and intersubjective consciousness (e.g., compassionate dialogue, community building, a global wisdom society). Emphasis on transformative learning and collective wisdom.

(3) Third-person perspective — Gathering data about objective physiological correlates of consciousness (e.g., research using rigorous scientific protocols, including experiments in psi, mind-body healing, and subtle energies). Emphasis on scientific understanding.[Link: www.noetic.org...]


Rigorous scientific protocols my shiny noetic aura.

188 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:19:50pm

re: #167 opnion

Cubs are for sale & your time is always your own during the World Series.

I don't know why anyone would want a baseball team..Unless you are the major market it doesn't matter..with a few exceptions...
I'd want a Basketball Team or an NFL team...
Yes I'm dreaming...
/I'd have the knicks in the finals in three years...Trust me *wink*

189 mikalm  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:20:01pm

Odd that nobody's yet picked up on the fact that the Institute's founder is Apollo astronaut/moonwalker Edgar Mitchell, who's easily the weirdest of all former space explorers.

190 Idle Drifter  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:20:42pm

So will all these programs like distant healing and extended human capacities be covered under Obamacare?
///

191 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:20:57pm

re: #187 jaunte

That's a real slap in the face to collective wisdom.

192 lincolntf  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:21:05pm

re: #190 Idle Drifter

They'll be the only option.

193 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:21:08pm
194 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:21:31pm

re: #171 opnion

You should email that to Dennis Miller.

Just did on a lark...

Now that I've gone and done that, I hope you meant it!

195 opnion  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:21:45pm

re: #188 HoosierHoops

I don't know why anyone would want a baseball team..Unless you are the major market it doesn't matter..with a few exceptions...
I'd want a Basketball Team or an NFL team...
Yes I'm dreaming...
/I'd have the knicks in the finals in three years...Trust me *wink*

I believe you.

196 callahan23  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:21:51pm

re: #153 HoosierHoops

I nominate Charles for Entertainment Czar...I'll bet he knows a few players..
Erik is the bartender Czar...Nobody works the booze without his consent
I nominate Armywife to run the entire Veterans administration..
I nominate OR for the supermodel Czar..And all Fashion issues within our borders
MandyManners? Dept of Defense...Nobody fucks with Mandy
Sharm? You get Chief of Staff
Hoopster? Somebody give me a pro sports team..I won't bother you again...I promise! LOL

DEZes would be our very own super sicrit MIB Czar.
Wrenchwench our recreational Czar
Buzzsawmonkey and Kosh's Shadow would be our co-Near east envoys.

Well we got quite some collection of characters here, don't we?

197 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:22:20pm

re: #23 pink freud

As Running Bare calls them, acadamia nuts.

hahahahahahhahahahhaahhahahahaa

198 jaunte  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:22:20pm

re: #191 Sharmuta

They're selling The End of Materialism (for $19.77)!
[Link: www.noetic.org...]

199 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:22:23pm

re: #189 mikalm

Odd that nobody's yet picked up on the fact that the Institute's founder is Apollo astronaut/moonwalker Edgar Mitchell, who's easily the weirdest of all former space explorers.

He may have walked on the moon, but he sure is rather loony.

200 opnion  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:22:31pm

re: #194 Pianobuff

Just did on a lark...

Now that I've gone and done that, I hope you meant it!

I did mean it, & I bet that he uses it .

201 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:22:57pm

re: #185 opnion

Yeah, it's tough for him to surprise me , since I do assume the worst.
The difference with all of these Czars is that it looks like they trump cabinet Secrearies who at least went through confirmation hearings.
It seems really creepy to me, they are more than advisors.

liberal bloat...who knows how it works on the inside...one thing about is it makes BO appear to be dependent on a bunch of other people more than usual, and it also increases the possibility of a turf fight...that might be fun

202 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:23:12pm

re: #196 callahan23

OOOh ooh! Pick me! Pick me!

I want a cushy zero-accountability presidential appointment position...

203 Idle Drifter  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:23:27pm

re: #192 lincolntf

They'll be the only option.

Like those guys that reach inside people and pull cancer out with their bare hands and leave to mark behind from the procedure.

204 haakondahl  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:23:43pm

re: #106 Sharmuta

I nominate Salamantis for a science czar position. No one is a bigger defender of science on LGF than Sal. He'd be great and do us proud.

Oy vey! VETO.

205 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:24:03pm
206 callahan23  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:24:36pm

re: #202 Fenway_Nation

OOOh ooh! Pick me! Pick me!

I want a cushy zero-accountability presidential appointment position...

Here you go. ;-)

207 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:24:36pm

People, please. You're losing focus. Palin is the wacky nut job. She hunts moose for heaven's sake. /

208 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:24:37pm

New agers have made some inroads into some of my professional areas (Organizational Development, Training). It is extraordinarily frustrating to try to work with people on strategic planning and process improvement when fluffer nutters are floating about preaching about visioning and positive energy.

The sad part is there is no shortage of organizational leaders willing to pay for witch doctoring if it means they don't have to do the hard work of changing their own stuff.

The next time some encounter group junkie gets in my rice bowl I am likely to give him some feedback he isn't ready to grok.

209 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:24:57pm

Now...This... is serious stuff:

(from Yahoo)
In an interview on NBC's "Today Show" that mostly covered serious topics, President Obama acknowledged that he "looked a little frumpy" in his baggy jeans. In his defense, Mr. Obama said that he hates to shop and that "those jeans are comfortable." The President went on to say: "For people who want a president to look great in tight jeans, I'm sorry." No apology necessary, Mr. President. The thought of our Commander-In-Chief wearing skinny jeans is a terrifying prospect.

The interview, which in our unofficial estimation marks the first time a sitting U.S. president apologized for not wearing tighter denim, sparked renewed interest in the infamous jeans. Searches surged on "obama's mom jeans" and "obama wears mom jeans." We even noticed a few queries on "what kind of jeans does obama wear?". Perhaps some brave souls are looking to copy the President's devil-may-care look. If it'll help stop the skinny-jeans menace, we're all for it.

210 davinvalkri  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:26:02pm

re: #208 DaddyG

So that's why I was thinking "wait, where have I heard this 'consciousness raising' buncombe before...?" They're infiltrated other areas, like those seminars about stress relief you see on community bulletin boards.

211 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:26:12pm

re: #196 callahan23

DEZes would be our very own super sicrit MIB Czar.
Wrenchwench our recreational Czar
Buzzsawmonkey and Kosh's Shadow would be our co-Near east envoys.

Well we got quite some collection of characters here, don't we?

No Buzzsaw has to be the head of the FCC...
His first decree? All 500 hundred channels for the next year on TV is what I program for you...Reset...LOL
After the first year you can go back to American Idol...
It's the Chicago way... Right Buzz? *wink*

212 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:26:15pm

re: #196 callahan23

DEZes would be our very own super sicrit MIB Czar.
Wrenchwench our recreational Czar
Buzzsawmonkey and Kosh's Shadow would be our co-Near east envoys.

Well we got quite some collection of characters here, don't we?

I don't care what they make me czar of, as long as I get a hollow tropical island shaped like a giant skull to live in. And gigantic crabs to do my bidding.

Although I guess that's more of a Republican perq.

213 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:26:18pm

OT - More barbarism from Iran:

Report: Iranian Militias Marry, Rape Virgin Prisoners Before Executions

Members of Iran's feared Basij militia forcibly marry female virgin prisoners the night before scheduled executions, raping their new "wives" and making it religiously acceptable to execute them, a self-professed member of the paramilitary group said.

The anonymous militiaman told the Jerusalem Post that at age 18 he was "given the 'honor' to temporarily marry young girls before they were sentenced to death."...

214 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:26:19pm
215 Catttt  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:26:27pm

Drive by AI posting - last night - Arizona
I wanta see you all standing up - nobody sitting down! I wanta see you dance, bitches! (Waiting to see if he uses street slang in the South)

216 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:26:35pm

re: #206 callahan23

Do I get some sort of grand-sounding title for my do nothing position?

/Instead of czar, could it be shogun or mikado?

217 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:26:49pm

I will be the Massage Czar.

It's very difficult job.

[Link: www.bofunk.com...]

218 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:26:53pm

re: #205 buzzsawmonkey

Keep your sunny side up, up
Hide the side that gets blue
If you have nine sons in a row
Start a baseball team--they make money, you know

Keep your sunny side up, don't let up
Let your laughter come through--do
Stand up on your legs
Be like two fried eggs
Keep your sunny side up

--early '30s

Dang - stopped two short for a co-ed squad.

219 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:27:00pm

WTF is "jackflash"? He's taking up 5 of the bottom 10 comments up top.

220 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:27:21pm
221 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:28:19pm

re: #208 DaddyG

New agers are just as bad and just as annoying as creationists IMHO.

222 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:28:36pm

I found what Obama said today about the F-22. he didn't use the word Obsolete but said:

"I reject the notion that we have to waste billions of taxpayer dollars on outdated and unnecessary defense projects to keep this nation secure,"

[Link: www.google.com...]

Outdated and unnecessary ha?

On the other side, supporters of the program insisted the F-22 is important to U.S. security interests — pointing out that China and Russia are developing planes that can compete with it

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, added that the F-35 is designed to supplement, not replace, the F-22, "the "NASCAR racer of this air dominance team." Supporters of the F-22 have put the number needed at anywhere from 250 to 380.

Outdated? What a jack ass

223 callahan23  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:28:50pm

re: #219 Honorary Yooper

WTF is "jackflash"? He's taking up 5 of the bottom 10 comments up top.

Made a fool of itself yesterday evening.

224 Kragar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:28:52pm

re: #127 opnion

Other presidents have had Czars for one thing or another , but BHO has an unprecednted ove 30.
No confirmation hearings or Congressional oversight of these people & there are some really strange people.
It looks like a shadow government with Allegiance only to Obama.
Hmmm, what is our President up to?

Accursed mountebankery and bedevilment

225 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:28:58pm

re: #221 Honorary Yooper

New agers are just as bad and just as annoying as creationists IMHO.

They usually smell worse, though.

226 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:29:14pm
227 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:29:57pm
228 Bobblehead  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:30:24pm
229 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:30:26pm

re: #221 Honorary Yooper

New agers are just as bad and just as annoying as creationists IMHO.

Man get out of here with those negative vibes you empericist pig. //

230 mikalm  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:30:56pm

re: #219 Honorary Yooper

WTF is "jackflash"?

It's a gas, gas, gas! :-)

231 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:31:15pm

re: #222 Nevergiveup

I found what Obama said today about the F-22. he didn't use the word Obsolete but said:

"I reject the notion that we have to waste billions of taxpayer dollars on outdated and unnecessary defense projects to keep this nation secure,"

[Link: www.google.com...]

Outdated and unnecessary ha?

On the other side, supporters of the program insisted the F-22 is important to U.S. security interests — pointing out that China and Russia are developing planes that can compete with it

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, added that the F-35 is designed to supplement, not replace, the F-22, "the "NASCAR racer of this air dominance team." Supporters of the F-22 have put the number needed at anywhere from 250 to 380.

Outdated? What a jack ass

I wouldn't have used NASCAR stockers as an example, though. I mean, carburetors, four-speeds, and live axles?

232 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:31:16pm

re: #227 taxfreekiller

Possibility Bill Ayers made this recommendation to the O Hole.

"He's not as radical as I am, but I think you'll like him."

233 Kragar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:31:46pm

re: #216 Fenway_Nation

Do I get some sort of grand-sounding title for my do nothing position?

/Instead of czar, could it be shogun or mikado?

Grand Pooba

234 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:31:59pm

re: #207 HelloDare

People, please. You're losing focus. Palin is the wacky nut job. She hunts moose for heaven's sake. /

She lost the Rocky and Bullwinkle vote right there.

235 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:32:06pm

BTW, just did a seach on Edgar Mitchell and found this little tidbit:

Edgar Mitchell : "...I know for sure we're not alone...

Very strange, IMHO.

236 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:32:09pm

re: #185 opnion

Yeah, it's tough for him to surprise me , since I do assume the worst.
The difference with all of these Czars is that it looks like they trump cabinet Secrearies who at least went through confirmation hearings.
It seems really creepy to me, they are more than advisors.

You're right - They constitute a shadow cabinet. They answer only to Obama, and they operate with the force of his authority.

And almost certainly they had no FBI background check (esp. considering what Zombie has posted).

237 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:32:13pm

re: #219 Honorary Yooper

WTF is "jackflash"? He's taking up 5 of the bottom 10 comments up top.

Jackflash is a jerk...The last time he was here insulting lizards I did get a chance to post..We will be seeing you soon...paraphrased..
I don't like his attitude here...I'll just hang and see what old Jack does...

238 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:32:17pm
239 callahan23  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:32:21pm

re: #216 Fenway_Nation

Do I get some sort of grand-sounding title for my do nothing position?

/Instead of czar, could it be shogun or mikado?

How about Grand-Master of 42.
;-)

240 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:32:27pm

re: #228 Bobblehead

Obama Press Conference Bumped By Britain's Susan Boyle

LOL!

Bumped?!? She'd knock his skinny ass over!

241 davinvalkri  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:32:37pm

re: #222 Nevergiveup

I found what Obama said today about the F-22. he didn't use the word Obsolete but said:

"I reject the notion that we have to waste billions of taxpayer dollars on outdated and unnecessary defense projects to keep this nation secure,"

[Link: www.google.com...]

Outdated and unnecessary ha?

On the other side, supporters of the program insisted the F-22 is important to U.S. security interests — pointing out that China and Russia are developing planes that can compete with it

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, added that the F-35 is designed to supplement, not replace, the F-22, "the "NASCAR racer of this air dominance team." Supporters of the F-22 have put the number needed at anywhere from 250 to 380.

Outdated? What a jack ass

Trying very hard right now not to explode...I LIKE the F-22, dammit!

242 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:32:48pm
243 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:33:02pm

re: #228 Bobblehead

Obama Press Conference Bumped By Britain's Susan Boyle

LOL!

his numbers are slowly moving down all across the board...his pressers are becoming ho hum but his handlers keep feeding him to us...I guess that's what the mean by mal narc

244 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:33:19pm

re: #188 HoosierHoops

I don't know why anyone would want a baseball team..Unless you are the major market it doesn't matter..with a few exceptions...
I'd want a Basketball Team or an NFL team...
Yes I'm dreaming...
/I'd have the knicks in the finals in three years...Trust me *wink*

OK, you get the Lions.

245 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:33:26pm

re: #228 Bobblehead

Obama Press Conference Bumped By Britain's Susan Boyle

LOL!

Unfortunately, they shifted it to an earlier time slot. Watch 0 get in a snit and deliberately run over.

246 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:33:33pm

re: #228 Bobblehead

Obama Press Conference Bumped By Britain's Susan Boyle

LOL!

How fitting. She'll probably sing her hit, I Dreamed a Dream.

247 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:33:41pm

re: #244 Son of the Black Dog

OK, you get the Lions.

And Matt Millen.

248 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:34:35pm

re: #247 Ward Cleaver

And Matt Millen.

That's just wrong.

249 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:34:45pm

Grand Poobah of Road Trips?

Has potential...

250 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:34:52pm

re: #238 buzzsawmonkey

You'd stick me with the FCC? Oh, what a cruel fate.

Nah, I don't care what they broadcast, as long as I don't have to listen to it.

If it was up to me...Provost of Stanford...
I love the Farm bro...

251 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:35:00pm

re: #190 Idle Drifter

So will all these programs like distant healing and extended human capacities be covered under Obamacare?
///

You can bet that every alternative therapy will be mandated coverage, no matter how wacked out.

252 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:35:17pm

re: #244 Son of the Black Dog

OK, you get the Lions.

Who gets the Christians in this new gladiatorial arena?
//

253 mikalm  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:35:57pm

re: #235 Honorary Yooper

BTW, just did a seach on Edgar Mitchell and found this little tidbit:

Edgar Mitchell : "...I know for sure we're not alone...

Very strange, IMHO.

Yeah, he's sort of been the pet aerospace/ex-military guy of the New Age for over thirty years.

254 avanti  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:36:19pm

re: #222 Nevergiveup

I found what Obama said today about the F-22. he didn't use the word Obsolete but said:

"I reject the notion that we have to waste billions of taxpayer dollars on outdated and unnecessary defense projects to keep this nation secure,"

[Link: www.google.com...]

Outdated and unnecessary ha?

On the other side, supporters of the program insisted the F-22 is important to U.S. security interests — pointing out that China and Russia are developing planes that can compete with it

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, added that the F-35 is designed to supplement, not replace, the F-22, "the "NASCAR racer of this air dominance team." Supporters of the F-22 have put the number needed at anywhere from 250 to 380.

Outdated? What a jack ass

And the flip side:

"Levin, the veteran chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee, was joined in sponsoring the anti-pork proposal by Arizona Republican John McCain. McCain described the F-22 program as "What Eisenhower Warned Us About."

The 2008 Republican presidential nominee actually hailed the Obama administration for helping secure support for the amendment, which McCain described as "probably the most impactful amendment that I have seen in this body on almost any issue."

Fifteen Republicans, including McCain and South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, joined 42 Democrats and Vermont Independent Bernie Sanders in supporting the amendment. "

The sec of defense did not want the planes, nor did the Pentagon.

255 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:36:31pm

Obama Administration Preparing Incentives Package for North Korea
The Obama administration is working with its allies on a package of incentives to persuade North Korea to abandon its nuclear programs.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Oh yeah, great idea. And the best part, it's never been tried before?

256 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:37:12pm

re: #243 albusteve

his numbers are slowly moving down all across the board...his pressers are becoming ho hum but his handlers keep feeding him to us...I guess that's what the mean by mal narc

Too much exposure. He's oversaturated his audience, and now that his programs are in trouble he'll be forced to make even more public appearances, further diminishing his appeal and adding to their troubles.

257 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:37:13pm

Interesting - It's looking like part of the budget resolution deal going on in CA may involve allowing some (expanded) offshore drilling by Santa Barbara.

258 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:37:55pm

re: #254 avanti

And every time you defend them, you still fail to mention how we are going to maintain our air supremacy without a air supremacy fighter!

259 Kragar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:38:04pm

re: #249 Fenway_Nation

Grand Poobah of Road Trips?

Has potential...

I'll take the term "Lustrous Potentate"

260 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:38:26pm

re: #257 Pianobuff

Interesting - It's looking like part of the budget resolution deal going on in CA may involve allowing some (expanded) offshore drilling by Santa Barbara.

Looks like some state may be finally pulling its collective head from its collective ass.

261 DaddyG  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:38:38pm

re: #258 Nevergiveup

And every time you defend them, you still fail to mention how we are going to maintain our air supremacy without a air supremacy fighter!

Armed Pegasus to supplement the unicorn cavalry. /

262 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:38:41pm

re: #255 Nevergiveup

Obama Administration Preparing Incentives Package for North Korea
The Obama administration is working with its allies on a package of incentives to persuade North Korea to abandon its nuclear programs.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Oh yeah, great idea. And the best part, it's never been tried before?

Uh - 0's Secretary of State said just a couple of days ago that their strategy was going to be to ignore the little tyke tyrant. Aren't Hillary and Barack speaking to each other anymore?

263 boofar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:38:45pm

Here's some anti-Obama craziness.

The nirthers seem to be a tad overly determined if you ask me...

http://wonkette.com/409982/birther-gal-goes-nuts-on-republican-congressman

264 Kragar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:38:45pm

re: #258 Nevergiveup

And every time you defend them, you still fail to mention how we are going to maintain our air supremacy without a air supremacy fighter!

Harshly worded letters folded into paper airplanes.

265 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:39:09pm

re: #244 Son of the Black Dog

OK, you get the Lions.

I would take the Lions in a second...I'd build the meanest..most bad..biggest defense in Football...Then go from there...When you think about it..If my team beats the holy hell out of you on Sundays...A third round pick like Montana should score enough points to win every week..Defense wins championships...
/Ok I'll shut up

266 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:39:14pm

re: #262 SixDegrees

Uh - 0's Secretary of State said just a couple of days ago that their strategy was going to be to ignore the little tyke tyrant. Aren't Hillary and Barack speaking to each other anymore?

Hiliary who?

267 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:40:06pm

re: #257 Pianobuff

Interesting - It's looking like part of the budget resolution deal going on in CA may involve allowing some (expanded) offshore drilling by Santa Barbara.

What!? That's unpossible!!

California's supposed to set the example by leading the economic recovery exclusively with 'green-collar' jobs...
/

268 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:40:31pm

re: #223 callahan23

Made a fool of itself yesterday evening.

Everybody jumped on jackflash.

269 KenJen  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:40:31pm

re: #264 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Harshly worded letters folded into paper airplanes.

Ron Paul blimps?

270 Idle Drifter  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:40:56pm

re: #265 HoosierHoops

You couldn't do any worse than Lions owner Ford.

271 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:41:07pm

re: #260 Honorary Yooper

Looks like some state may be finally pulling its collective head from its collective ass.

Well, being from said state this move would get its head about two inches from its pyloris (which is, indeed, an improvement).

272 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:41:11pm

re: #256 SixDegrees

Too much exposure. He's oversaturated his audience, and now that his programs are in trouble he'll be forced to make even more public appearances, further diminishing his appeal and adding to their troubles.

I'm thinking it will get so bad he will go off the deep end...blow himself up over some small thing...attack the media maybe

273 LionOfDixon  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:41:17pm

Sometimes I really wonder if Obama has relapsed back into cocaine abuse.

274 Kragar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:41:30pm

re: #269 KenJen

Ron Paul blimps?

Hooking Rosie up to a paraglider and telling her the enemy planes are chocolate?

275 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:41:44pm

re: #270 Idle Drifter

You couldn't do any worse than Lions owner Ford.

There is still a pro football team in Detroit?

276 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:41:54pm

re: #258 Nevergiveup

And every time you defend them, you still fail to mention how we are going to maintain our air supremacy without a air supremacy fighter!

It is not fair that we get them. A country like Bangladesh, for instance, does not have this kind of strike fighter.
/moonbat

277 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:42:13pm

re: #274 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Good luck getting that off the ground.

278 Kragar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:43:04pm

re: #273 LionOfDixon

Sometimes I really wonder if Obama has relapsed back into cocaine abuse.

It would explain this pick for Cocaine Czar.

279 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:43:26pm

OT: At least one Repub brave enough to tweak Dems' noses on gun control.

And, in the money quote, Chuck Schumer proves that he is DUMBER than he looks with this riff-able argument:

"If you walk down the street in New York ... you can have the solace of knowing that if someone has a gun on them they've gone through a rigorous police background check. After this bill, you can have no such comfort," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said Sunday.

I'd bet you didn't know that every mugger and carjacking enthusiast is NYC was given a rigorous police background check!

280 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:43:40pm

re: #275 Nevergiveup

There is still a pro football team in Detroit?

yes, with great fans, a solid legacy and a really cool stadium...

281 LGoPs  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:44:11pm

Very late to this thread but I just wonder if this guy is fucking fundamental enough of a change for ya, America?

282 avanti  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:44:13pm

re: #258 Nevergiveup

And every time you defend them, you still fail to mention how we are going to maintain our air supremacy without a air supremacy fighter!

Air supremacy over who ?
"Designed in response to the fantasy that the US Air Force would be fighting high-tech dogfights with Soviet fighter jets, the F-22 has never been flown in combat or deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan.

An individual F-22 costs more than $350 million to build, and according to conservative estimates would cost over $44,000 per hour to fly. "

The Pentagon and DOD would rather have more F 35's that they can actually use.

283 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:44:18pm

re: #254 avanti

Hey Avanti, I don't know if you noticed, but this thread is about one of those highly educated liberal that don't go to church and practice pseudo-science.

Since you had so much to say about conservative politicians and their belief in creationism and their lack of intelligence, and how that all works out with their church going habit and so on, well...

What do you think of Obama's science guy?

284 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:44:31pm

re: #273 LionOfDixon

Sometimes I really wonder if Obama has relapsed back into cocaine abuse.

would not surprise me a bit

285 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:44:35pm

re: #280 albusteve

yes, with great fans, a solid legacy and a really cool stadium...

OK great to know that. When was the last time they won a game?

286 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:46:12pm

re: #285 Nevergiveup

OK great to know that. When was the last time they won a game?

2007ish.

287 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:46:13pm

Oh dear G-d...

Here we are looking at a limitation of Obama in terms of the people on the left he needs to throw bones to.

It is little different than the creationists that get put places by the GOP.

It sucks on both counts.

I can say that that Obama has appointed a number of very good scientists. Some of them are so good, (and I know some of them personally, one of them is my former thesis advisor, not telling who, because I don't want to blog my own identity) that I have a hard time believing that Obama personally is a fruitcake of the new age variety.

However, this does not mean that science appointments are ever immune to popular pseudo philosophies of various political groups.

This is one of the things that my former advisor would lament at length.

288 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:46:14pm

re: #283 Walter L. Newton

You needn't attend a church* to hold to any number of crackpot religious beliefs.

Examples abound, of late.

*very Christianist

289 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:46:27pm

re: #282 avanti

Air supremacy over who ?
"Designed in response to the fantasy that the US Air Force would be fighting high-tech dogfights with Soviet fighter jets, the F-22 has never been flown in combat or deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan.

An individual F-22 costs more than $350 million to build, and according to conservative estimates would cost over $44,000 per hour to fly. "

The Pentagon and DOD would rather have more F 35's that they can actually use.

So you and Obama ( and his toad Gates ) are assuring me that we will never be confronting the Russian Bear again and the Chinese are just building all those nuclear subs to study the whales?

290 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:46:38pm

re: #169 MandyManners

ION's partners.

Yep, Men's Warehouse is a partner.

that will come in handy when they need to purchase uniforms for the upcoming youth core.

291 lincolntf  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:46:53pm

re: #273 LionOfDixon

I highly doubt that, although the appointment of this crystal-gazing Communist activist as head of his "green jobs" program does sound like the result of a drug-addled mind.
I thnk he's just clueless, not stoned.

292 avanti  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:47:06pm

re: #283 Walter L. Newton

Hey Avanti, I don't know if you noticed, but this thread is about one of those highly educated liberal that don't go to church and practice pseudo-science.

Since you had so much to say about conservative politicians and their belief in creationism and their lack of intelligence, and how that all works out with their church going habit and so on, well...

What do you think of Obama's science guy?

He was apparently a fruit cake, but claims to be a reformed fruit cake.

293 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:47:12pm

re: #254 avanti

And the flip side:

"Levin, the veteran chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee, was joined in sponsoring the anti-pork proposal by Arizona Republican John McCain. McCain described the F-22 program as "What Eisenhower Warned Us About."

The 2008 Republican presidential nominee actually hailed the Obama administration for helping secure support for the amendment, which McCain described as "probably the most impactful amendment that I have seen in this body on almost any issue."

Fifteen Republicans, including McCain and South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, joined 42 Democrats and Vermont Independent Bernie Sanders in supporting the amendment. "

The sec of defense did not want the planes, nor did the Pentagon.

Once again we are preparing to fight the last war (Iraq/Afghanistan). The next war will probably require F-22 class aircraft, until we run out, at which point we will lose.

294 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:47:15pm

re: #290 Eowyn2

that will come in handy when they need to purchase uniforms for the upcoming youth core.

I guarantee it!

/

295 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:47:20pm

Upcoming event at the Institute for Noetic Sciences.
Thursday, Sep 10, 2009, 6 – 9pm

Dr. Michael Salla presents a groundbreaking discussion of different types of extraterrestrial civilizations visiting Earth and interacting with humanity, and how they can be understood in terms of a typology popularized by eminent physicist Prof. Michio Kaku.

According to Prof. Kaku, civilizations can be distinguished on the basis of the different ways they consume and use energy on a planetary, stellar and galactic level. Once we identify the way extraterrestrial civilizations use energy, we can understand much about the technology they use, the spiritual principles they follow, and the political aspect of how they interact with humanity.

Once we understand the science, spirituality and politics of extraterrestrial civilizations, we can make informed choices about how to best transform the Earth using this information. Our Earth transformation efforts require us to make a commitment at the individual, community and national levels to work wisely with extraterrestrial civilizations assisting humanity's evolution.

296 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:48:18pm

re: #292 avanti

He was apparently a fruit cake, but claims to be a reformed fruit cake.

Nope, he's a heretic. Stone him.

/response if person in question is a conservative

297 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:48:29pm

re: #293 Son of the Black Dog

Once again we are preparing to fight the last war (Iraq/Afghanistan). The next war will probably require F-22 class aircraft, until we run out, at which point we will lose.

Well we will not lose probably but we will suffer many more casualties.

298 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:48:36pm

re: #289 Nevergiveup

So you and Obama ( and his toad Gates ) are assuring me that we will never be confronting the Russian Bear again and the Chinese are just building all those nuclear subs to study the whales?

They can't study whales from catapults.

299 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:48:59pm

re: #292 avanti

Just like William Ayers and Jerimiah Wright have 'reformed', I'm sure.

300 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:49:11pm

re: #295 HelloDare

Upcoming event at the Institute for Noetic Sciences.
Thursday, Sep 10, 2009, 6 – 9pm

Dr. Michael Salla presents a groundbreaking discussion of different types of extraterrestrial civilizations visiting Earth and interacting with humanity, and how they can be understood in terms of a typology popularized by eminent physicist Prof. Michio Kaku.

According to Prof. Kaku, civilizations can be distinguished on the basis of the different ways they consume and use energy on a planetary, stellar and galactic level. Once we identify the way extraterrestrial civilizations use energy, we can understand much about the technology they use, the spiritual principles they follow, and the political aspect of how they interact with humanity.

Once we understand the science, spirituality and politics of extraterrestrial civilizations, we can make informed choices about how to best transform the Earth using this information. Our Earth transformation efforts require us to make a commitment at the individual, community and national levels to work wisely with extraterrestrial civilizations assisting humanity's evolution.

They're just a couple of steps away from putting on Nikes, drinking kool-aid, and waiting for the next comet.
And they take some actual science (classifying potential civilizations), and a real, if overly popularized scientist, to give themselves a veneer of respectability.

301 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:49:26pm

re: #288 OldLineTexan

You needn't attend a church* to hold to any number of crackpot religious beliefs.

Examples abound, of late.

*very Christianist

That's what Avanti was indicating in the evolution thread earlier today. Conservatives that go to church tend to be less educated than their liberal counterparts.

And, he was jumping on the conservative politicians who profess a belief in creationism, yet he's on this thread and doesn't even attempt to mention any opinion on the fruit cake Obama guy that is the subject of this thread.

I just was wondering why?

302 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:49:37pm

re: #275 Nevergiveup

There is still a pro football team in Detroit?

I'll take on Detroit.. If they had a Defense like the Steelers even in the motor city you could have a QB called Joey and be winners...
Even with Peyton..We didn't win the SB until our defense got healthy and we knocked the shit out of people.. Ask the Ravens..I'll bet a few of them still can't walk today...Sanders and our Defense just blew offenses up...

303 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:49:53pm

re: #301 Walter L. Newton

That's what Avanti was indicating in the evolution thread earlier today. Conservatives that go to church tend to be less educated than their liberal counterparts.

And, he was jumping on the conservative politicians who profess a belief in creationism, yet he's on this thread and doesn't even attempt to mention any opinion on the fruit cake Obama guy that is the subject of this thread.

I just was wondering why?

No you, weren't, ya big tease.

;)

304 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:50:02pm

re: #265 HoosierHoops

I would take the Lions in a second...I'd build the meanest..most bad..biggest defense in Football...Then go from there...When you think about it..If my team beats the holy hell out of you on Sundays...A third round pick like Montana should score enough points to win every week..Defense wins championships...
/Ok I'll shut up

Lighten up. I'm an Indianapolis fan.

305 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:50:15pm

re: #279 OldLineTexan

OT: At least one Repub brave enough to tweak Dems' noses on gun control.

And, in the money quote, Chuck Schumer proves that he is DUMBER than he looks with this riff-able argument:


I'd bet you didn't know that every mugger and carjacking enthusiast is NYC was given a rigorous police background check!

I dated a cop who tried to give me one of those. I slapped his face.

306 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:50:32pm

re: #238 buzzsawmonkey

If you are to control the FCC you must revisit the sentimental favoritism you display towards Francis Ledwidge or else I will personally picket your office every day.

We all know that Wilfrid Owen was the premier poet of his time.

I recently read Owen's 'letter to his mother' (1914) when he wrote:

...I am furious with chagrin to thinks that the Minds which were to have excelled the civilization of ten thousand years, are being annihilated-and bodies, the product of aeons of Natural Selection, melted down to pay for political statues.

He was 21 years old.

307 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:51:00pm

re: #281 LGoPs

Very late to this thread but I just wonder if this guy is fucking fundamental enough of a change for ya, America?

Van Jones as indicated was a part of Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM).

STORM document: Reclaiming Revolution

308 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:51:03pm

re: #272 albusteve

I'm thinking it will get so bad he will go off the deep end...blow himself up over some small thing...attack the media maybe

I noticed he's gotten more short lately. He met criticisms of the health care bill with accusations that the GOP - and any other detractors - are "playing politics." In other words, he's attacking his critics, rather than defending his programs - exactly the wrong approach to take if you're trying to build public support. Meanwhile, public support for this bill in particular continues to decline - it hit 50% today, and shows every sign of continuing to drop.

It's extremely important to keep up the pressure on this front. The House leadership said today that they may recess without a vote - a sign that they're having trouble roping together enough support for clear passage, and that the Dems are fractured. The longer the vote can be put off, the more the public learns about the details, and the less they like what they hear.

309 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:51:32pm

re: #295 HelloDare
Why am I picturing a roof, in LA, in Independence Day?

310 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:51:36pm

re: #292 avanti

He was apparently a fruit cake, but claims to be a reformed fruit cake.

Did you read the article at the top of this thread? He is still a fruitcake.

Jones’s Wikipedia entry notes that he is a fellow of the Institute of Noetic Sciences. Founded by astronaut-turned-parapsychologist Edgar Mitchell,

Do you always just spout something out without thinking? Please read the article and them give me your opinion on this fruitcake science czar. Obama's fruitcake.

311 Lee Coller  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:52:00pm

re: #263 boofar

Here's some anti-Obama craziness.

The nirthers seem to be a tad overly determined if you ask me...

http://wonkette.com/409982/birther-gal-goes-nuts-o n-republican-congressman

Charles did a front page post on that yesterday.

312 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:52:01pm

re: #301 Walter L. Newton

That's what Avanti was indicating in the evolution thread earlier today. Conservatives that go to church tend to be less educated than their liberal counterparts.

And, he was jumping on the conservative politicians who profess a belief in creationism, yet he's on this thread and doesn't even attempt to mention any opinion on the fruit cake Obama guy that is the subject of this thread.

I just was wondering why?

BTW, conservative pols are less-educated, or conservatives in general?

I'll put my two degrees in hard science (engineering) up against Chuckie Schumer's "education" any time, any place.

At least I don't think everyone in NYC carrying a gun is a "good guy" checked by the NYPD (the forty-one shot wonders).

313 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:52:08pm

re: #299 Fenway_Nation

Just like William Ayers and Jerimiah Wright have 'reformed', I'm sure.

This guy is... "Jones’s Wikipedia entry notes that he is a fellow of the Institute of Noetic Sciences. Founded by astronaut-turned-parapsychologist Edgar Mitchell..." he's not reformed nothing.

314 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:52:27pm

Busy on September 10th. Don't worry. How about September 22nd?

GEORGE LoBUONO: The Thought and Behavior of Extraterrestrials

Potluk dinner, presentation and discussion with one of our most committed investigative reporters on the state of mind and level of consciousness of the different alien races many experiencers - including George himself - report visiting us now.

Description :
George LoBuono's book, Alien Mind, quotes human contactees and informative aliens in a startling, new exploration of the thoughts and assumptions of our extraterrestrial neighbors. His Powerpoint presentation shows how our location near the edge of a large galaxy supercluster has important implications for our interaction with aliens. Alien Mind, which can be read free on the internet, discusses alien science and how humans can both detect and identify different types of aliens and their energy networks. It introduces two new categories of aliens: megapopulations, and hyper-advanced aliens who claim to have originated billions of years ago.

315 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:52:29pm

re: #305 MandyManners

I dated a cop who tried to give me one of those. I slapped his face.

I know I never dated you, because my arms have never been broken.

316 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:52:36pm

re: #302 HoosierHoops

I'll take on Detroit.. If they had a Defense like the Steelers even in the motor city you could have a QB called Joey and be winners...
Even with Peyton..We didn't win the SB until our defense got healthy and we knocked the shit out of people.. Ask the Ravens..I'll bet a few of them still can't walk today...Sanders and our Defense just blew offenses up...

there are probably scores of people that would pay cash for the Lions...it is the highest, most premier ownership in all of sports...an NFL team

317 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:52:43pm

re: #292 avanti

He was apparently a fruit cake, but claims to be a reformed fruit cake.

Do you know what a "parapsychologist" is?

318 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:52:45pm

re: #304 Son of the Black Dog

Lighten up. I'm an Indianapolis fan.

You need not say that.. It's cool and I'm not coming down on you..It's just sports my friend...

319 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:52:53pm

re: #304 Son of the Black Dog

Lighten up. I'm an Indianapolis fan.

Speaking of football:

RENO, Nev. (AP) -- A woman has filed a lawsuit accusing Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger of raping her last summer in his penthouse room at a casino in Lake Tahoe during a celebrity golf tournament.
Roethlisberger's lawyer adamantly denied the allegations Tuesday.
"Ben has never sexually assaulted anyone. The timing of the lawsuit and the absence of a criminal complaint and a criminal investigation are the most compelling evidence of the absence of any criminal conduct. If an investigation is commenced, Ben will cooperate fully and Ben will be fully exonerated," David Cornwell said in a statement.

[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

320 davinvalkri  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:52:53pm

re: #295 HelloDare

Upcoming event at the Institute for Noetic Sciences.
Thursday, Sep 10, 2009, 6 – 9pm

Dr. Michael Salla presents a groundbreaking discussion of different types of extraterrestrial civilizations visiting Earth and interacting with humanity, and how they can be understood in terms of a typology popularized by eminent physicist Prof. Michio Kaku.

According to Prof. Kaku, civilizations can be distinguished on the basis of the different ways they consume and use energy on a planetary, stellar and galactic level. Once we identify the way extraterrestrial civilizations use energy, we can understand much about the technology they use, the spiritual principles they follow, and the political aspect of how they interact with humanity.

Once we understand the science, spirituality and politics of extraterrestrial civilizations, we can make informed choices about how to best transform the Earth using this information. Our Earth transformation efforts require us to make a commitment at the individual, community and national levels to work wisely with extraterrestrial civilizations assisting humanity's evolution.

Sounds like Dr. Breen, and you don't want to sound like Dr. Breen.

321 avanti  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:53:00pm

re: #293 Son of the Black Dog

Once again we are preparing to fight the last war (Iraq/Afghanistan). The next war will probably require F-22 class aircraft, until we run out, at which point we will lose.

Let me ask a simple question. If the secretary of defense does not want or feel the need for more planes, and the Pentagon does not want more planes, why should we listen to the congressmen that represent districts that build the plane ?
The days of piloted 300 million dollar piloted fighter are over. It's a silly argument, since McCain cosponsored the bill to kill it anyway, so the extra planes would not have been built anyway.

322 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:53:22pm

re: #300 Kosh's Shadow

They're just a couple of steps away from putting on Nikes, drinking kool-aid, and waiting for the next comet.
And they take some actual science (classifying potential civilizations), and a real, if overly popularized scientist, to give themselves a veneer of respectability.

Kaku is one of those ones who is on the edge of going off the derech. He isn't nothing. He does have some accomplishments, but he is very Saganized but without the actual standing of Sagan. He is also a lot more "out there."

323 LionOfDixon  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:53:22pm

re: #291 lincolntf

"I thnk he's just clueless, not stoned."

We know he has been both at some fairly important points in his life.

For somebody who is supposedly so brilliant, he has made some extremely poor choices in his life...hard drug use, alcohol abuse, associations with Reverend Wright, Ayers, Dorn, Rezko, etc.

Can somebody please point out how this guy has good judgement?

324 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:53:42pm

re: #302 HoosierHoops

I'll take on Detroit.. If they had a Defense like the Steelers even in the motor city you could have a QB called Joey and be winners...
Even with Peyton..We didn't win the SB until our defense got healthy and we knocked the shit out of people.. Ask the Ravens..I'll bet a few of them still can't walk today...Sanders and our Defense just blew offenses up...

Your defense got Dungy. When Dungy was in Tampa, we tried to get the Indy offensive coordinator, but they wouldn't let us talk to him.

325 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:54:32pm

re: #311 Lee Coller

Charles did a front page post on that yesterday.

boofar is trying to be Fair And Balanced by helping out the Left with this extreme Kook who is in CHARGE of something IMPORTANT by showing a lone nutball in an audience with an axe to grind.

Exactly the same thing, IMO.
/

326 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:54:38pm

Am I missing any?

1. Herb Allison-TARP Czar
2. Alan Bersin-Border Czar
3. Dennis Blair-Intelligence Czar
4. John Brennan-Terrorism Czar
5. Carol Browner-Energy Czar
6. Adolfo Carrion, Jr-Urban Affairs Czar
7. Ashton Carter-Weapons Czar
8. Aneesh Chopra-Technology Czar
9. Jeffrey Crowley-AIDS Czar
10. Cameron Davis-Great Lakes Czar
11. Nancy-Ann DeParle-Health Czar
12. Earl Devaney-Stimulus Accountability Czar
13. Joshua DuBois-Faith-based Czar
14. Kenneth Feinberg-Pay Czar
15. Danny Fried-Guantanamo Closure Czar
16. J. Scott Gration-Sudan Czar
17. Richard Holbrooke-Afghanistan Czar
18. John Holdren-Science Czar
19. Van Jones Green-Jobs Czar
20. Gil Kerlikowske-Drug Czar
21. Vivek Kundra-Information Czar
22. George Mitchell-Mideast Peace Czar
23. Ed Montgomery-Car Czar
24. Dennis Ross-Mideast Policy Czar
25. Gary Samore-WMD Czar
26. Todd Stern-Climate Czar
27. Cass Sunstein-Regulatory Czar
28. Paul Volcker-Economic Czar

327 Lincolntf  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:54:52pm

re: #307 Gus 802

You know the drill...

"Obama didn't know...the guy has changed...it's a witch-hunt...it's ODS...everyone's a racist..."

328 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:54:55pm

re: #314 HelloDare

... hyper-advanced aliens who claim to have originated billions of years ago.

See, this is why leftists will never vote for a creationists.

329 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:54:57pm

re: #323 LionOfDixon

Don't worry- I'm sure the decision-making will magically get better now that he's in the white house.

330 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:54:58pm

re: #321 avanti

Let me ask a simple question. If the secretary of defense does not want or feel the need for more planes, and the Pentagon does not want more planes, why should we listen to the congressmen that represent districts that build the plane ?
The days of piloted 300 million dollar piloted fighter are over. It's a silly argument, since McCain cosponsored the bill to kill it anyway, so the extra planes would not have been built anyway.

Don't confuse the Pentagon with Gates.

331 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:55:07pm

AVANTI

Did you read this above...


GEORGE LoBUONO: The Thought and Behavior of Extraterrestrials

This is the kind of "research" that Jones organization, the organization that he is a "fellow" of, this is the kind of stuff they "study."

Lovely Obama appointee, huh?

332 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:55:13pm

re: #265 HoosierHoops

I would take the Lions in a second...I'd build the meanest..most bad..biggest defense in Football...Then go from there...When you think about it..If my team beats the holy hell out of you on Sundays...A third round pick like Montana should score enough points to win every week..Defense wins championships...
/Ok I'll shut up

The correct quote is "offense gets the glory, defense wins the games"

333 LGoPs  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:55:35pm

My country is being turned into a fucking reality TV show right in front of my eyes. Nightmares from a Bad Drug Trip and all the Batshit Crazy Ideas I had when I was High. - turned into National Policy. Farm out Man.
*I could just shit*

334 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:55:49pm

re: #272 albusteve

I'm thinking it will get so bad he will go off the deep end...blow himself up over some small thing...attack the media maybe

The job of president has ground down much tougher people than Obama, who has never done anything difficult in his entire life. I believe that he could be the first president not to complete his term because of the stress of the job. Can you say President Biden?

335 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:56:08pm

re: #257 Pianobuff

Interesting - It's looking like part of the budget resolution deal going on in CA may involve allowing some (expanded) offshore drilling by Santa Barbara.

Drill! Baby! Drill!

336 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:56:15pm

re: #295 HelloDare

Oh.

I would like it if they'd actually establish that extraterrestrials are visiting earth. I tend to kind of wonder about the accounts where they play alien proctologist.

337 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:56:24pm

re: #310 Walter L. Newton

Do you always just spout something out without thinking? Please read the article and them give me your opinion on this fruitcake science czar. Obama's fruitcake.

He's confusing him with Holdren, the "reformed" extremist.

338 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:56:37pm

re: #328 HelloDare

See, this is why leftists will never vote for a creationists.

ROTFLMAO

339 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:56:43pm

re: #327 Lincolntf

You know the drill...

"Obama didn't know...the guy has changed...it's a witch-hunt...it's ODS...everyone's a racist..."

Yeah, we're "not following the scientific method." /

Or the other line, "just because you study the devil doesn't mean you worship the devil."

Ad infinitum.

340 Idle Drifter  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:56:48pm

re: #326 Pianobuff

Am I missing any?

1. Herb Allison-TARP Czar
2. Alan Bersin-Border Czar
3. Dennis Blair-Intelligence Czar
4. John Brennan-Terrorism Czar
5. Carol Browner-Energy Czar
6. Adolfo Carrion, Jr-Urban Affairs Czar
7. Ashton Carter-Weapons Czar
8. Aneesh Chopra-Technology Czar
9. Jeffrey Crowley-AIDS Czar
10. Cameron Davis-Great Lakes Czar
11. Nancy-Ann DeParle-Health Czar
12. Earl Devaney-Stimulus Accountability Czar
13. Joshua DuBois-Faith-based Czar
14. Kenneth Feinberg-Pay Czar
15. Danny Fried-Guantanamo Closure Czar
16. J. Scott Gration-Sudan Czar
17. Richard Holbrooke-Afghanistan Czar
18. John Holdren-Science Czar
19. Van Jones Green-Jobs Czar
20. Gil Kerlikowske-Drug Czar
21. Vivek Kundra-Information Czar
22. George Mitchell-Mideast Peace Czar
23. Ed Montgomery-Car Czar
24. Dennis Ross-Mideast Policy Czar
25. Gary Samore-WMD Czar
26. Todd Stern-Climate Czar
27. Cass Sunstein-Regulatory Czar
28. Paul Volcker-Economic Czar

Cheese'N'Crackers!

341 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:56:54pm

re: #321 avanti

Let me ask a simple question. If the secretary of defense does not want or feel the need for more planes, and the Pentagon does not want more planes, why should we listen to the congressmen that represent districts that build the plane ?
The days of piloted 300 million dollar piloted fighter are over. It's a silly argument, since McCain cosponsored the bill to kill it anyway, so the extra planes would not have been built anyway.

then the same rationale should be applied to health care and cap and trade...nobody seems to want those programs either

342 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:57:05pm
343 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:57:24pm

re: #336 Dianna

Oh.

I would like it if they'd actually establish that extraterrestrials are visiting earth. I tend to kind of wonder about the accounts where they play alien proctologist.

Earth people taste like alien beer can chicken ...

344 Kragar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:57:35pm

re: #326 Pianobuff

Am I missing any?

1. Herb Allison-TARP Czar
2. Alan Bersin-Border Czar
3. Dennis Blair-Intelligence Czar
4. John Brennan-Terrorism Czar
5. Carol Browner-Energy Czar
6. Adolfo Carrion, Jr-Urban Affairs Czar
7. Ashton Carter-Weapons Czar
8. Aneesh Chopra-Technology Czar
9. Jeffrey Crowley-AIDS Czar
10. Cameron Davis-Great Lakes Czar
11. Nancy-Ann DeParle-Health Czar
12. Earl Devaney-Stimulus Accountability Czar
13. Joshua DuBois-Faith-based Czar
14. Kenneth Feinberg-Pay Czar
15. Danny Fried-Guantanamo Closure Czar
16. J. Scott Gration-Sudan Czar
17. Richard Holbrooke-Afghanistan Czar
18. John Holdren-Science Czar
19. Van Jones Green-Jobs Czar
20. Gil Kerlikowske-Drug Czar
21. Vivek Kundra-Information Czar
22. George Mitchell-Mideast Peace Czar
23. Ed Montgomery-Car Czar
24. Dennis Ross-Mideast Policy Czar
25. Gary Samore-WMD Czar
26. Todd Stern-Climate Czar
27. Cass Sunstein-Regulatory Czar
28. Paul Volcker-Economic Czar

We're gonna need more Brutuses

345 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:57:53pm

re: #336 Dianna

Oh.

I would like it if they'd actually establish that extraterrestrials are visiting earth. I tend to kind of wonder about the accounts where they play alien proctologist.

They tell me extraterrestrials have big ears and stink, especially in the mornings ... hey, wait a minute ...

346 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:57:55pm

re: #326 Pianobuff

Am I missing any?

1. Herb Allison-TARP Czar
2. Alan Bersin-Border Czar
3. Dennis Blair-Intelligence Czar
4. John Brennan-Terrorism Czar
5. Carol Browner-Energy Czar
6. Adolfo Carrion, Jr-Urban Affairs Czar
7. Ashton Carter-Weapons Czar
8. Aneesh Chopra-Technology Czar
9. Jeffrey Crowley-AIDS Czar
10. Cameron Davis-Great Lakes Czar
11. Nancy-Ann DeParle-Health Czar
12. Earl Devaney-Stimulus Accountability Czar
13. Joshua DuBois-Faith-based Czar
14. Kenneth Feinberg-Pay Czar
15. Danny Fried-Guantanamo Closure Czar
16. J. Scott Gration-Sudan Czar
17. Richard Holbrooke-Afghanistan Czar
18. John Holdren-Science Czar
19. Van Jones Green-Jobs Czar
20. Gil Kerlikowske-Drug Czar
21. Vivek Kundra-Information Czar
22. George Mitchell-Mideast Peace Czar
23. Ed Montgomery-Car Czar
24. Dennis Ross-Mideast Policy Czar
25. Gary Samore-WMD Czar
26. Todd Stern-Climate Czar
27. Cass Sunstein-Regulatory Czar
28. Paul Volcker-Economic Czar

I think there are 32.

347 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:57:59pm

re: #337 MandyManners

He's confusing him with Holdren, the "reformed" extremist.

They're ALL fucking extremist whack-jobs.

348 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:58:18pm

re: #326 Pianobuff

Am I missing any?

1. Herb Allison-TARP Czar
2. Alan Bersin-Border Czar
3. Dennis Blair-Intelligence Czar
4. John Brennan-Terrorism Czar
5. Carol Browner-Energy Czar
6. Adolfo Carrion, Jr-Urban Affairs Czar
7. Ashton Carter-Weapons Czar
8. Aneesh Chopra-Technology Czar
9. Jeffrey Crowley-AIDS Czar
10. Cameron Davis-Great Lakes Czar
11. Nancy-Ann DeParle-Health Czar
12. Earl Devaney-Stimulus Accountability Czar
13. Joshua DuBois-Faith-based Czar
14. Kenneth Feinberg-Pay Czar
15. Danny Fried-Guantanamo Closure Czar
16. J. Scott Gration-Sudan Czar
17. Richard Holbrooke-Afghanistan Czar
18. John Holdren-Science Czar
19. Van Jones Green-Jobs Czar
20. Gil Kerlikowske-Drug Czar
21. Vivek Kundra-Information Czar
22. George Mitchell-Mideast Peace Czar
23. Ed Montgomery-Car Czar
24. Dennis Ross-Mideast Policy Czar
25. Gary Samore-WMD Czar
26. Todd Stern-Climate Czar
27. Cass Sunstein-Regulatory Czar
28. Paul Volcker-Economic Czar

Probably more to come.

Of course, under Obama rule, Czar is inappropriate since it represents a pre-revolutionary Soviet Union. //

349 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:58:20pm

re: #336 Dianna

Oh.

I would like it if they'd actually establish that extraterrestrials are visiting earth. I tend to kind of wonder about the accounts where they play alien proctologist.

The Vorlons have ways of hiding; they'll never find us, here in the shadows...

350 haakondahl  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:58:21pm

re: #221 Honorary Yooper

New agers are just as bad and just as annoying as creationists IMHO.

At least the creationists can say they got it from their parents, and there is therefore some room for rational thought alongside some clearly non-scientific ideas.
I just can't stand these people who make up their own deities, picking and choosing them from various Dungeons & Dragons manuals and tuning those characters to compensate for whatever empty sickness the people suffer from, and then insist that we all play along.
And by "play along", I mean somehow, through almost superhuman force of will, refrain from mocking these pathetic creatures, these sad broken toilets of men and their pretensions to sanity.

Do you know that the United States Navy was taken to court (I presume this was thrown out) by a shitty little pocket of self-proclaimed "Satanists" who demanded they be authorized to erect an altar to Satan behind the boiler? Can't find a link, but I remember it.

/Nope, I've never found that frustrating. Not me.

351 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:58:33pm

Red Sox place Wakefield on DL

Gee that's to bad

352 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:58:34pm

re: #343 OldLineTexan

Earth people taste like alien beer can chicken ...

To Serve Man!

353 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:58:41pm

re: #326 Pianobuff

Am I missing any?

1. Herb Allison-TARP Czar
2. Alan Bersin-Border Czar
3. Dennis Blair-Intelligence Czar
4. John Brennan-Terrorism Czar
5. Carol Browner-Energy Czar
6. Adolfo Carrion, Jr-Urban Affairs Czar
7. Ashton Carter-Weapons Czar
8. Aneesh Chopra-Technology Czar
9. Jeffrey Crowley-AIDS Czar
10. Cameron Davis-Great Lakes Czar
11. Nancy-Ann DeParle-Health Czar
12. Earl Devaney-Stimulus Accountability Czar
13. Joshua DuBois-Faith-based Czar
14. Kenneth Feinberg-Pay Czar
15. Danny Fried-Guantanamo Closure Czar
16. J. Scott Gration-Sudan Czar
17. Richard Holbrooke-Afghanistan Czar
18. John Holdren-Science Czar
19. Van Jones Green-Jobs Czar
20. Gil Kerlikowske-Drug Czar
21. Vivek Kundra-Information Czar
22. George Mitchell-Mideast Peace Czar
23. Ed Montgomery-Car Czar
24. Dennis Ross-Mideast Policy Czar
25. Gary Samore-WMD Czar
26. Todd Stern-Climate Czar
27. Cass Sunstein-Regulatory Czar
28. Paul Volcker-Economic Czar

You are forgetting that he put Stephen Chu in charge of DOE. Chu is as good as you will get. The fact that he was willing to divert from his research to take that post is actually a bit of a sacrifice for physics.

354 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:58:44pm
355 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:58:46pm

re: #297 Nevergiveup

Well we will not lose probably but we will suffer many more casualties.

Or be forced to go nuclear.

356 Lincolntf  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:59:06pm

re: #346 MandyManners

Yeah, but four are no-show jobs. It's the Chicago way.

357 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:59:07pm

#328 is the absolute soul of pithy wit.

358 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 2:59:16pm

re: #337 MandyManners

He's confusing him with Holdren, the "reformed" extremist.

AVANTI did not even read the article at the top of this thread, otherwise he would not be confusing this guy with HOLDEN, this guys name is JONES.

AVANTI is spouting off and he doesn't even know what the hell we are talking about.

Yet, in the evolution thread today, he was telling us how conservatives who go to church are less intelligent and tend toward belief in creationism and stuff like that.

Yet, when confronted with a leftist fruitcake AVANTI simply ignores the issue.

Who's lacking intelligence?

359 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:00:13pm

re: #355 Son of the Black Dog

Or be forced to go nuclear.

But Obama wants to get rid of nuclear weapons.

360 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:00:20pm

Van Jones at Discover the Networks

Became a Communist in the aftermath of the 1992 "Rodney King riots" in Los Angeles
Founded the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights in 1996
Was active in the anti-Iraq War demonstrations organized by International ANSWER
Served as a board member of the Rainforest Action Network and Free Press
In March 2009, President Barack Obama named Jones to be his so-called “Green Jobs Czar.”

Born in 1968 in rural West Tennessee, Van Jones earned a B.A. degree from the University of Tennessee at Martin and then attended Yale Law School. During his years at Yale, Jones served as an intern with the San Francisco-based Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights (LCCR), which views the United States as an irredeemably racist nation and “champions the legal rights of people of color, poor people, immigrants and refugees, with a special commitment to African-Americans.”

Jones says that he first became politically radicalized in the aftermath of the deadly April 1992 Los Angeles riots which erupted shortly after four L.A. police officers who had beaten the infamous Rodney King were exonerated in court. “I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th,” says Jones, who is black, “and then the verdicts came down on April 29th. By August, I was a communist.”...

361 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:00:28pm

re: #289 Nevergiveup

So you and Obama ( and his toad Gates ) are assuring me that we will never be confronting the Russian Bear again and the Chinese are just building all those nuclear subs to study the whales?

But, but, it was $2 billion!

/nevermind that we wasted over $50 billion bailing out UAW jobs, maybe they can provide air supremacy

362 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:00:30pm

re: #342 buzzsawmonkey

I want a Terrorist Reality Show. A bunch of NGO workers are captured by terrorists and held as hostages, and each week they get to vote on which one is killed before they are ransomed.

Who wants to help me pitch it?

Just so long as you add a game show element...

Something like "Wheel of Execution"

363 Formercorpsman  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:00:52pm

You lost me from the moment you thought it was appropriate to title an official administrative position with such a moniker.

364 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:00:53pm

re: #360 Gus 802

In the early 2000s, Jones and STORM were active in the anti-Iraq War demonstrations organized by International ANSWER, a front group for the Marxist-Leninist Workers World Party. STORM also had ties to the South African Communist Party and it revered Amilcar Cabral, the late Marxist revolutionary leader (of Guinea-Bissau and the Cape Verde Islands) who lauded Lenin as “the greatest champion of the national liberation of the peoples.” (In 2006 Van Jones would name his own newborn son “Cabral” -- in Amilcar Cabral’s honor.)

365 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:00:54pm

bbl

366 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:00:58pm

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

Do you know what a "parapsychologist" is?

Somebody who studies the psychology of Paring knives?

367 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:01:18pm

Honduras orders Venezuelan diplomats expelled
Published: 07.22.09, 00:53 / Israel News
Honduras' interim government Tuesday ordered Venezuelan diplomats to leave the country as the international community threatened new sanctions on the Central American nation if negotiations fail to resolve the crisis.

Venezuelan Embassy charge d'affairs Ariel Vargas said he received a letter from the Honduran Foreign Ministry ordering his diplomats to leave in 72 hours. (AP)

Is it only me or is Obama starting to look a little like Che?

368 callahan23  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:01:34pm

re: #333 LGoPs

My country is being turned into a fucking reality TV show right in front of my eyes. Nightmares from a Bad Drug Trip and all the Batshit Crazy Ideas I had when I was High. - turned into National Policy. Farm out Man.
*I could just shit*

No wonder I had diarrhea for quite a long time. My estranged wife is a firm believer in this clap-trap of the pseudo-sciences. See my: re: #154 callahan23

369 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:01:36pm

re: #366 Eowyn2

Somebody who studies the psychology of Paring knives?

Wrong.

370 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:01:38pm

Hey, maybe we should tax Czars.

A Czar Tax. That's the ticket.

371 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:01:38pm

re: #359 Kosh's Shadow

But Obama wants to get rid of nuclear weapons.

Bush fooled him by favoring "nukular" weapons ... Obama's getting rid of those ... ix-nay on the uclear-nay!

/and you people thought he was teh stoopid

372 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:01:44pm

re: #358 Walter L. Newton

AVANTI did not even read the article at the top of this thread, otherwise he would not be confusing this guy with HOLDEN, this guys name is JONES.

AVANTI is spouting off and he doesn't even know what the hell we are talking about.

Yet, in the evolution thread today, he was telling us how conservatives who go to church are less intelligent and tend toward belief in creationism and stuff like that.

Yet, when confronted with a leftist fruitcake AVANTI simply ignores the issue.

Who's lacking intelligence?

There's a fence that needs work.

373 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:02:01pm

re: #361 Killian Bundy

But, but, it was $2 billion!

/nevermind that we wasted over $50 billion bailing out UAW jobs, maybe they can provide air supremacy

It's only money. Have some ham.

374 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:02:11pm

re: #367 Nevergiveup

Watch the '0' meddle intervene on behalf of Chavez now.

I'm not fucking kidding, either.

375 Neutral President  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:02:13pm

re: #282 avanti

Air supremacy over who ?

Russia and China as potential adversaries have not evaporated into Hopenchange.

376 poteen  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:02:22pm

re: #282 avanti

Nothing else manned or unmanned flies w/o air superiority.
F-35 is 5 yrs. from production. Adjust the order numbers maybe, but keep the F22 available.

377 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:02:50pm

re: #326 Pianobuff

I'm going to apply for the Czar Czarina job.

378 Lee Coller  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:02:55pm

re: #326 Pianobuff

Am I missing any?


26. Todd Stern-Climate Czar

If I don't like the weather I guess this is who I complain to?

379 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:02:56pm

re: #372 Pianobuff

There's a fence that needs work.

If you mean what I think you mean, congrats, what an answer. I noticed that every time he gets "talked" into a corner, he has to "fix" something or simply runs away.

380 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:02:56pm

re: #331 Walter L. Newton

I'm laughing my head off. Mostly because screaming would scare the neighbors.

381 avanti  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:03:20pm

re: #330 Nevergiveup

Don't confuse the Pentagon with Gates.

The friggin Air Force did not want the planes.

"It was 90,000 aerospace workers versus the U.S. president, the secretary of defense, the chief of staff of the Air Force and Sens. Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and John McCain, the committee’s senior Republican. "

Air Force Times.

382 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:03:28pm
383 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:03:47pm

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

Do you know what a "parapsychologist" is?

parapsychology is a discredited pseudo science that revolves around "psychic phenomena." It's ESP, Ghosts and telepathy etc... There were some reasonable experiments that were done back in the day - which never found an actual psychic.

My standard question to "psychics" is:

So what did the spirit world tell you on September the 10th?

384 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:03:52pm

re: #369 Walter L. Newton

Wrong.

Damn, and I thought it was the correct answer.
It doesn't have to do with pears does it?


I know, don't quit my day job.

385 opnion  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:03:58pm

re: #323 LionOfDixon

"I thnk he's just clueless, not stoned."

We know he has been both at some fairly important points in his life.

For somebody who is supposedly so brilliant, he has made some extremely poor choices in his life...hard drug use, alcohol abuse, associations with Reverend Wright, Ayers, Dorn, Rezko, etc.

Can somebody please point out how this guy has good judgement?

Ok, how about he married well? Ah , wait scratch that, there was the time that he...
Oh,never mind

386 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:04:07pm

re: #378 Lee Coller

If I don't like the weather I guess this is who I complain to?

WEATHER IS NOT CLIMATE!

/AGW disciple stomps foot, flounces off

387 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:04:20pm

re: #379 Walter L. Newton

If you mean what I think you mean, congrats, what an answer. I noticed that every time he gets "talked" into a corner, he has to "fix" something or simply runs away.

that's why i said he was no fun anymore...it's boring to listen to his drone and when he is in fact pinned...poof!

388 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:04:35pm

re: #366 Eowyn2

Somebody who studies the psychology of Paring knives?

I thought it was a psychologist who treated parrots.

389 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:04:42pm

re: #377 Eowyn2

I'm going to apply for the Czar Czarina job.


I will vote for you!!...and often...

390 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:04:42pm

re: #382 buzzsawmonkey

re: #377 Eowyn2


Where does Czar Czar Binks fit into all of this?

Into a wood chipper, feet-first?

391 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:05:29pm

re: #381 avanti

The friggin Air Force did not want the planes.

"It was 90,000 aerospace workers versus the U.S. president, the secretary of defense, the chief of staff of the Air Force and Sens. Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and John McCain, the committee’s senior Republican. "

Air Force Times.

And where the fuck did it say the Air Force did not want more F-22s? The same article was in the Navy Times also?

392 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:05:33pm
393 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:05:57pm

re: #380 Dianna

I'm laughing my head off. Mostly because screaming would scare the neighbors.

You know, I "studied" this kind of stuff in the 70's. Even had a once a month overnight talk radio show out of Dallas, on a 50 thousand watt station. I had over 1000 books on the subject of paranormal and Fortean type stuff. I was always a sceptic, but, the best way to know your subject is to study all sides of the issues. But, I never asked anyone to believe it.

Just to think, I could have been a czar.

394 Lincolntf  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:06:02pm

re: #378 Lee Coller

Seriously, what the hell does a Climate Czar do at his office all day? Occasionally glance out the window to make sure that there's still a climate and then go back to playing Halo 3?

395 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:06:16pm

re: #381 avanti

The friggin Air Force did not want the planes.

"It was 90,000 aerospace workers versus the U.S. president, the secretary of defense, the chief of staff of the Air Force and Sens. Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and John McCain, the committee’s senior Republican. "

Air Force Times.

The Air Force didn't want the A-10 either.

396 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:06:26pm

re: #388 SixDegrees

I thought it was a psychologist who treated parrots.

See my 383.

397 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:07:06pm

I know he wasn't on the short list...
But he should have gone with
Mr. Ed!
(Yes,the talking horse)

398 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:07:19pm

re: #358 Walter L. Newton

To be absolutely fair, avanti remarked that church-going was closely related to level of education.

399 Lee Coller  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:07:19pm

re: #394 Lincolntf

Seriously, what the hell does a Climate Czar do at his office all day? Occasionally glance out the window to make sure that there's still a climate and then go back to playing Halo 3?

Sounds like a fun Job, except I would spend it reporting climate changes on LGF (wait -- didn't someone used to do that)?

400 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:07:48pm

Oh-oh. Could this be America's new health care system?


TWO WEEK INTENSIVE IN ADVANCED SHAMANIC HEALING
Sunday, March 18 – Friday, March 30
Location: IONS
101 San Antonio Road
Petaluma, CA
Presenter(s): Foundation for Shamanic Studies
Summary: Originated by Michael Harner, this intensive training in advanced core shamanism is described by former participants as “amazing,” “transformative,” “life-changing,” and “the most important experience of my life.” A variety of advanced methods are practiced in this residential program, including extraction healing, soul retrieval, psychopomp work, divination, and work with the spirits of nature. There will also be work that is not included in FSS weekend workshops, such as selected advanced healing methods, the dream dance, explorations, and initiatory experiences.

Taught by Alicia L. Gates
Assisted by Amanda Foulger
Two discussion sessions with guest Michael Harner

Alicia L. Gates has studied with Michael Harner for more than twenty years. She has worked with thousands of shamanic clients and has a profound depth of knowledge and practical experience. “Alicia is an outstanding shamanic practitioner and healer, and in recent years, working alongside me, has been the principal teacher of the West Coast Three-Year programs and the Two-Week Intensives,” states Michael Harner. Alicia brings to her teaching a clarity and certainty about shamanic healing methods that can only come through long experience and a deep love for the work. Says one workshop participant: “I felt very connected to Alicia and most grateful that someone as gifted and deeply connected to source energy is willing to share her considerable talent and knowledge with us.”

401 avanti  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:08:12pm

re: #310 Walter L. Newton

Do you always just spout something out without thinking? Please read the article and them give me your opinion on this fruitcake science czar. Obama's fruitcake.

I read it, but I agree with Charles comment that he may well have become less radical, but certainly a far leftie.

402 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:08:19pm

re: #398 Dianna

To be absolutely fair, avanti remarked that church-going was closely related to level of education.

Right, CONSERVATIVE church goers were less intelligent, had less degrees, that's what he said (with no links to stats, like I asked for).

403 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:08:19pm

re: #395 Kosh's Shadow

Well...the A-10 warthog was bound to be considered pork by many...

404 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:08:24pm

re: #377 Eowyn2

I'm going to apply for the Czar Czarina job.

Oh...and you could eventually start a side business with Zsa Zsa Gabor and call it Cza Cza and Zsa Zsa.

405 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:09:07pm

Oh yeah, the F-22 program provided tens of thousands of highly skilled jobs.

/guess they must not be part of one of the unions in TOTUS' pocket

406 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:09:41pm

The Air Force doesn't want the F-22? From Wiki:

In 1981 the United States Air Force (USAF) developed a requirement for a new air superiority fighter, the Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF), to replace the capability of the F-15 Eagle, primarily the F-15A, B, C and D variants. ATF was a demonstration and validation program undertaken by the USAF to develop a next-generation air superiority fighter to counter emerging worldwide threats, including development and proliferation of Soviet-era Su-27 "Flanker"-class fighter aircraft. It was envisaged that the ATF would incorporate emerging technologies including advanced alloys and composite materials, advanced fly-by-wire flight control systems, higher power propulsion systems, and low-observable/stealth technology.

A request for proposal (RFP) was issued in July 1986, and two contractor teams, Lockheed/Boeing/General Dynamics and Northrop/McDonnell Douglas were selected in October 1986 to undertake a 50-month demonstration/validation phase, culminating in the flight test of two prototypes, the YF-22 and the YF-23.

On 23 April 1991 the USAF ended the design and test flight competition by announcing Lockheed's YF-22 as the winner. It was anticipated at the time that 650 aircraft would be ordered.

407 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:10:24pm

re: #401 avanti

I read it, but I agree with Charles comment that he may well have become less radical, but certainly a far leftie.

You don't even understand what you are reading. He is a science "czar" and he is a "fellow" at the Institute of Noetic Sciences. Did you read that? Do you know what that society is? It's all junk science, paranormal studies, UFO, aliens, rains of frogs... Fortean stuff (do you even know who Charles Fort was?).

You know nothing of what you speak of.

408 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:10:39pm

re: #395 Kosh's Shadow

The Air Force didn't want the A-10 either.

Thinking back now they also thought the F-104 Starfighter would work in Viet Nam and that the F-4 Phantom didn't need a gun.

Of course we're talking about a bunch of civilians in the DoD for the most part and a lot of these "decisions" are made by either civilians or politically motivated generals with little experience in air combat command.

Plus this is "Obama's Pentagon" now.

409 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:10:58pm

re: #406 OldLineTexan

Avanti is confusing the US Air Force with Congress?

410 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:11:00pm

Once a Commie, always a Commie.

No free passes. I ran out.

411 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:11:06pm

re: #394 Lincolntf

Seriously, what the hell does a Climate Czar do at his office all day? Occasionally glance out the window to make sure that there's still a climate and then go back to playing Halo 3?

That, and keeps an eye out for Climate Bolsheviks.

412 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:11:10pm

re: #403 Fenway_Nation

The A-10 has proven itself an amazing platform ...
I don't see it going anywhere soon!
Awesome and ugly!

413 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:11:55pm

re: #400 HelloDare

ARGH! It's them!

414 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:12:03pm

re: #409 Nevergiveup

Avanti is confusing the US Air Force with Congress?

I'm just pointing out that the USAF asked for the damned thing, and spent years and billions developing it.

Don't tell me "they don't want it".

415 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:12:16pm

re: #409 Nevergiveup

Avanti is confusing the US Air Force with Congress?

And confusing Van Jones with scientists.

416 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:12:29pm

re: #412 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

The A-10 has proven itself an amazing platform ...
I don't see it going anywhere soon!
Awesome and ugly!

I find it a thing of beauty and a joy forever.

417 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:13:32pm

What next?

Deepak Chopra as Defense Czar?

//

418 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:14:01pm

re: #400 HelloDare

Do you know who Harner is? Really, once upon a time, he was quite a respectable anthropologist.

The first edition of his The Way of the Shaman and the second are distinctly different books.

419 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:14:07pm

re: #321 avanti

Let me ask a simple question. If the secretary of defense does not want or feel the need for more planes, and the Pentagon does not want more planes, why should we listen to the congressmen that represent districts that build the plane ?
The days of piloted 300 million dollar piloted fighter are over. It's a silly argument, since McCain cosponsored the bill to kill it anyway, so the extra planes would not have been built anyway.

It's the whole mindset that we need to make do with fewer units of any given type, fewer top-line aircraft, fewer aircraft carriers, fewer army divisions, etc., etc.

At some point we're going to get into a situation where we start running out of something critical, like air supremacy fighters, and we're going to face the choice of losing or playing the nuclear trump card. Which we might not want to do if the Chinese or the Russians were on the periphery of the conflict.

As for McCain, he's probably just pissed that the Navy didn't get their own F-22.

/much sarc on the last part.

420 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:14:31pm

re: #416 OldLineTexan

They should have named it Bambie then!!
Used to watch training in the So.Cal desert...way fun!
12 pack and a pair of Binos...

421 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:14:41pm

re: #417 Gus 802

What next?

Deepak Chopra as Defense Czar?

//

Rather than f-22's we can have yogic flying pilots who slay our enemies with direct beams of quantum love thoughts.

422 avanti  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:15:32pm

re: #406 OldLineTexan

The Air Force doesn't want the F-22? From Wiki:

Air Force chief of staff, General Norton Schawrtz said it's time to end production.

423 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:15:37pm

re: #402 Walter L. Newton

Right, CONSERVATIVE church goers were less intelligent, had less degrees, that's what he said (with no links to stats, like I asked for).

Not intelligent - that word never crossed his monitor onto the internet - but he did mention a correlation between level of education and church-going.

There probably are statistics for that, but I'd look for them from Salamantis.

424 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:15:45pm

re: #369 Walter L. Newton

Wrong.

Leaping off a cliff with a knife held between your teeth?

425 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:15:49pm

re: #421 LudwigVanQuixote

Rather than f-22's we can have yogic flying pilots who slay our enemies with direct beams of quantum love thoughts.

Very Noetic.

Maybe we can have Edgar Mitchell fly lead in a Cessna 152 to send them his "love rays."

//

426 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:16:26pm

re: #422 avanti

Air Force chief of staff, General Norton Schawrtz said it's time to end production.

Oh, so there's a complete consensus, then.

Will he be refunding my tax money from his personal accout, or is Georgie S. backing him?

427 haakondahl  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:17:04pm

re: #410 OldLineTexan

Once a Commie, always a Commie.

No free passes. I ran out.

Almost. Christopher Hitchens. Still, I hadda upding you.

428 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:17:29pm

re: #414 OldLineTexan

I'm just pointing out that the USAF asked for the damned thing, and spent years and billions developing it.

Don't tell me "they don't want it".

I'm with you.

429 Dianna  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:17:47pm

re: #424 debutaunt

Leaping off a cliff with a knife held between your teeth?

Sharp side in?

430 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:19:05pm

re: #422 avanti

Air Force chief of staff, General Norton Schawrtz said it's time to end production.

F-22 is part of ACC.

General Norton A. Schwartz's flight experience includes...

Aircraft flown: C-130E/H, MC-130E/H/P, HC-130, AC-130H/U, YMC-130, MH-53 and MH-60

See if that list says something to you.

431 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:19:08pm
432 avanti  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:19:18pm

re: #414 OldLineTexan

I'm just pointing out that the USAF asked for the damned thing, and spent years and billions developing it.

Don't tell me "they don't want it".

They wanted and got the planes they need, but now want to end production.

"Make no mistake: Air dominance remains an essential capability for joint warfighting. The F-22 is a vital tool in the military's arsenal and will remain in our inventory for decades to come. But the time has come to move on. "

General Norton A. Schwartz
Air Force chief of staff.

433 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:19:36pm

re: #430 Gus 802

F-22 is part of ACC.

General Norton A. Schwartz's flight experience includes...

Aircraft flown: C-130E/H, MC-130E/H/P, HC-130, AC-130H/U, YMC-130, MH-53 and MH-60

See if that list says something to you.

Heh heh heh.

434 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:19:59pm

re: #433 OldLineTexan

Heh heh heh.

=)

I bet it goes over his head.

435 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:20:02pm

re: #408 Gus 802

Thinking back now they also thought the F-104 Starfighter would work in Viet Nam and that the F-4 Phantom didn't need a gun.

Of course we're talking about a bunch of civilians in the DoD for the most part and a lot of these "decisions" are made by either civilians or politically motivated generals with little experience in air combat command.

Plus this is "Obama's Pentagon" now.

You are of course right, but then again there has always been over - priced waste and not so awesome programs funded under every administration.

I am absolutely not in a position to say if we have enough F-22's. Everything I have heard about them makes them sound like the greatest air superiority fighter ever. However, I have no clue what is on the books for the next generation and I am inclined to believe that if McCain - a former fighter pilot himself, felt that we have built enough of them an addition to a lot of other Republicans who tend to be pretty strong on defense, then maybe this is the correct call. They do cost a third of a billion each.

It is quite possible that we are looking at something like Seawolf. Seawolf is a fabulous, awesome submarine. The new Virginia class is too.

436 haakondahl  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:20:27pm

re: #430 Gus 802

F-22 is part of ACC.

General Norton A. Schwartz's flight experience includes...

Aircraft flown: C-130E/H, MC-130E/H/P, HC-130, AC-130H/U, YMC-130, MH-53 and MH-60

See if that list says something to you.

Nice find! Payback.

437 LGoPs  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:20:59pm

re: #154 callahan23

This kind of quackery is what I heard more and more of (when I dared to listen) from my now estranged wife.
I am quite literally and personally pissed off of this shit.

Every bit of it is bullshit, made up by people who have too fucking much leisure time.

438 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:21:06pm

re: #359 Kosh's Shadow

But Obama wants to get rid of nuclear weapons.

He's going to leave them unmaintained until they no longer function.

439 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:21:09pm

re: #432 avanti

They wanted and got the planes they need, but now want to end production.

"Make no mistake: Air dominance remains an essential capability for joint warfighting. The F-22 is a vital tool in the military's arsenal and will remain in our inventory for decades to come. But the time has come to move on. "

General Norton A. Schwartz
Air Force chief of staff.

Oh please. They asked for something like 6-700 hundred and over the years it kept getting cut back and now we have less than 200. It was more resignation than agreement. You know that and i know that.

440 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:21:11pm

re: #434 Gus 802

=)

I bet it goes over his head.

Went way over mine.

441 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:21:30pm

re: #435 LudwigVanQuixote

You are of course right, but then again there has always been over - priced waste and not so awesome programs funded under every administration.

I am absolutely not in a position to say if we have enough F-22's. Everything I have heard about them makes them sound like the greatest air superiority fighter ever. However, I have no clue what is on the books for the next generation and I am inclined to believe that if McCain - a former fighter pilot himself, felt that we have built enough of them an addition to a lot of other Republicans who tend to be pretty strong on defense, then maybe this is the correct call. They do cost a third of a billion each.

It is quite possible that we are looking at something like Seawolf. Seawolf is a fabulous, awesome submarine. The new Virginia class is too.

You know what? McCain has made some serious mistakes before, and he just might not be right.

/non-Obama worshipper does not mean I'm a McCain worshipper

442 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:21:55pm

re: #342 buzzsawmonkey

I want a Terrorist Reality Show. A bunch of NGO workers are captured by terrorists and held as hostages, and each week they get to vote on which one is killed before they are ransomed.

Who wants to help me pitch it?

The winner gets saved by a US Marine from Falujah?

443 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:22:14pm

re: #264 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Harshly worded letters folded into paper airplanes.

"Ow, you hit me in the eye! I'm tellin' the UN!"

444 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:22:29pm

re: #435 LudwigVanQuixote

You are of course right, but then again there has always been over - priced waste and not so awesome programs funded under every administration.

I am absolutely not in a position to say if we have enough F-22's. Everything I have heard about them makes them sound like the greatest air superiority fighter ever. However, I have no clue what is on the books for the next generation and I am inclined to believe that if McCain - a former fighter pilot himself, felt that we have built enough of them an addition to a lot of other Republicans who tend to be pretty strong on defense, then maybe this is the correct call. They do cost a third of a billion each.

It is quite possible that we are looking at something like Seawolf. Seawolf is a fabulous, awesome submarine. The new Virginia class is too.

Maybe. Just a note. McCain wasn't a fighter pilot. He flew an A-4 Skyhawk off the Oriskany. His primary role was in attack and bombing sorties. The fighter pilots flew either the F-4B or the F-4J. He had little knowledge of ACM.

445 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:22:32pm
446 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:23:06pm

re: #440 reine.de.tout

Went way over mine.

The Gen. is a heavy metal* pilot, not a fighter jock. Couple of big damned helicopters on his list, too.

The competition between them is endless.

*cargo; on the list are many C-130 Hercules variants

447 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:23:35pm

re: #440 reine.de.tout

Went way over mine.

Transport pilot. In other words he has no experience in air to air combat.

448 avanti  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:23:42pm

re: #436 haakondahl

Nice find! Payback.

Yep, throw the Bush appointee under the bus because you disagree with him. It's the General Betrayus bullshit I heard from the left. Here's his bio if you want to make jokes about the General

Air Force.

449 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:24:09pm

re: #448 avanti

Yep, throw the Bush appointee under the bus because you disagree with him. It's the General Betrayus bullshit I heard from the left. Here's his bio if you want to make jokes about the General

Air Force.

No one is making jokes.

450 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:24:37pm

re: #444 Gus 802

Maybe. Just a note. McCain wasn't a fighter pilot. He flew an A-4 Skyhawk off the Oriskany. His primary role was in attack and bombing sorties. The fighter pilots flew either the F-4B or the F-4J. He had little knowledge of ACM.

And as much as I respect McCain's service to our country, i am afraid he best days are behind him and were last year also. And he can take his little lap poodle Graham with him into the sunset.

451 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:24:50pm

re: #449 Gus 802

No one is making jokes.

What's funny is all the answers we can get on this topic, but not the other one from Walter.

452 JustMyView  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:24:53pm

re: #414 OldLineTexan

I'm just pointing out that the USAF asked for the damned thing, and spent years and billions developing it.

Don't tell me "they don't want it".

They have nearly 200 of them, and, in nearly eight years of war, they haven't found a use for them. They may have wanted them, but that doesn't mean they want more.

453 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:25:01pm

re: #446 OldLineTexan

The Gen. is a heavy metal* pilot, not a fighter jock. Couple of big damned helicopters on his list, too.

The competition between them is endless.

*cargo; on the list are many C-130 Hercules variants

re: #447 Gus 802

Transport pilot. In other words he has no experience in air to air combat.

Yeah, I just put those numbers into google, and saw "transport" and "weather" planes, and figured it out (sort of). Thanks, ya'll!

454 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:25:09pm

re: #429 Dianna

Sharp side in?

Did you read Water for Elephants?

455 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:25:46pm

I hate the feds...it's just a fundamental aversion toward authority and taxation...the very worst part of the govt are liberals and leftists, and the reason I have no use at all for them is simple...they don't like me, and even worse they have this creepy, unnatural obsession with not liking me...they cannot leave me alone...they are like a disease that there is no cure for...they keep coming back to make me miserable because they don't like me...I don't think of them in terms of friendliness or sociability...liberals are bad for me

456 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:26:01pm

re: #452 JustMyView

They have nearly 200 of them, and, in nearly eight years of war, they haven't found a use for them. They may have wanted them, but that doesn't mean they want more.

I bow to your superior knowledge of everything that will happen between now and the time the next generation fighter is designed and produced.

/

457 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:26:08pm

re: #441 OldLineTexan

You know what? McCain has made some serious mistakes before, and he just might not be right.

/non-Obama worshipper does not mean I'm a McCain worshipper

I didn't say you were. I am saying that I am not a top pentagon strategist with access to projections of our needs. It is quite possible that the money for the F-22 goes into more body armor, supplies and transport for our infantry, and honestly you do not need F-22's to fight Taliban, you need ground pounders.

It is also possible that we are blowing a golden opportunity to have an even more awesome air force.

I simply do not know. Because I do not know, I am willing to give the senate - and more importantly the brass, the benefit of the doubt.

458 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:26:14pm

re: #451 OldLineTexan

What's funny is all the answers we can get on this topic, but not the other one from Walter.

Which was that?

459 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:27:00pm

re: #444 Gus 802

Maybe. Just a note. McCain wasn't a fighter pilot. He flew an A-4 Skyhawk off the Oriskany. His primary role was in attack and bombing sorties. The fighter pilots flew either the F-4B or the F-4J. He had little knowledge of ACM.

Point taken. However, the F-22 is dual role and has ground attack capability too.

Look, I don't know.

460 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:27:09pm

re: #452 JustMyView

They have nearly 200 of them, and, in nearly eight years of war, they haven't found a use for them. They may have wanted them, but that doesn't mean they want more.

BTW, that has to be one of the stupidest comments I've ever read.

By that logic, our nukes were obsolete after about 1950.

461 LGoPs  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:27:09pm

re: #415 Walter L. Newton

And confusing Van Jones with scientists.

And confusing us with people who will listen to his shit.

462 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:27:35pm

re: #458 Gus 802

Which was that?

F-22s and expert Air Force opinions. My cup runneth over.

463 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:27:56pm

re: #450 Nevergiveup

And as much as I respect McCain's service to our country, i am afraid he best days are behind him and were last year also. And he can take his little lap poodle Graham with him into the sunset.

I agree with that. Based on his experience and General Norton A. Schwartz's experience I don't think we're getting the kind of knowledge we need regarding the role of the F-22 in light of the SU-30 and other potential adversaries.

464 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:28:25pm

re: #457 LudwigVanQuixote

From what I see of the Senate, I grant them no particular knowledge of anything.

465 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:28:29pm

re: #395 Kosh's Shadow

The Air Force didn't want the A-10 either.

Prior to Gulf War I, the Air Force was planning to scrap the A-10. (The Israelis said they would buy them all.) After their performance in the Gulf War, the Air Force decided that maybe they should keep them after all.

466 pink freud  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:28:51pm

re: #460 OldLineTexan

BTW, that has to be one of the stupidest comments I've ever read.

By that logic, our nukes were obsolete after about 1950.

I call it brick-wall thinking. It's the liberal way.

467 opnion  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:30:28pm

re: #464 OldLineTexan

From what I see of the Senate, I grant them no particular knowledge of anything.


How true & the median IQ in ther House is trashed by Pelosi, Sheila jackson Lee & Maxine Waters.

468 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:33:06pm

Just for you Walter...

469 avanti  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:33:15pm

re: #463 Gus 802

I agree with that. Based on his experience and General Norton A. Schwartz's experience I don't think we're getting the kind of knowledge we need regarding the role of the F-22 in light of the SU-30 and other potential adversaries.

Here's what the General says

"We are often asked: How many F-22s does the Air Force need? The answer, of course, depends on what we are being asked to do. When the program began, late in the Cold War, it was estimated that 740 would be needed. Since then, the Defense Department has constantly reassessed how many major combat operations we might be challenged to conduct, where such conflicts might arise, whether or how much they might overlap, what are the strategies and capabilities of potential opponents, and U.S. objectives.
These assessments have concluded that, over time, a progressively more sophisticated mix of aircraft, weapons and networking capabilities will enable us to produce needed combat power with fewer platforms. As requirements for fighter inventories have declined and F-22 program costs have risen, the department imposed a funding cap and in December 2004 approved a program of 183 aircraft.


More here.

470 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:34:03pm

re: #459 LudwigVanQuixote

Point taken. However, the F-22 is dual role and has ground attack capability too.

Look, I don't know.

Yeah, it does have a double role. The A-4 was used as an adversary aircraft for training.

If not the F-22 then they better start thinking about another fighter jet. I don't think we want to have F-35s for air to air.

471 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:34:08pm

re: #464 OldLineTexan

From what I see of the Senate, I grant them no particular knowledge of anything.

Which is why I emphasized the Brass.

472 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:36:53pm

re: #418 Dianna

Do you know who Harner is? Really, once upon a time, he was quite a respectable anthropologist.

The first edition of his The Way of the Shaman and the second are distinctly different books.

Don't know him. Even if Harner were still respected, the press would slam Bush if he made the appointment. The loons at MSNBC would be making all kinds of jokes about the loony right.

473 albusteve  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:37:28pm
474 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:38:25pm

re: #473 albusteve

liberals

[Link: www.fotosearch.com...]

Is that where I slam my head?

//

475 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:38:35pm

re: #430 Gus 802

F-22 is part of ACC.

General Norton A. Schwartz's flight experience includes...

Aircraft flown: C-130E/H, MC-130E/H/P, HC-130, AC-130H/U, YMC-130, MH-53 and MH-60

See if that list says something to you.

How did a truck driver become USAF Chief of Staff?

476 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:39:17pm

re: #470 Gus 802

Yeah, it does have a double role. The A-4 was used as an adversary aircraft for training.

If not the F-22 then they better start thinking about another fighter jet. I don't think we want to have F-35s for air to air.

This is true. I have no idea what may or may not be on the books. Again,

It is possible that we are looking at a case where we got the wrong call and turned down a golden opportunity.

I know more about the Navy than I do about the Air Force. So let me say it is also possible this is like SeaWolf. Every argument that you are making could and was used in the defense of that program. Further, it really, really is an amazing boat.

However, the Virginia is too and it is more flexible to the needs of the different roles the Navy is asked to fulfill - and it costs less when you adjust for inflation.

477 avanti  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:40:44pm

re: #475 Son of the Black Dog

How did a truck driver become USAF Chief of Staff?

Bush appointed him.

478 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:40:58pm

re: #466 pink freud

I call it brick-wall thinking. It's the liberal way.

Could also be an example of "head in the sand" way of thinking. Sort of like my ex-husband.

479 pink freud  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:42:34pm

re: #478 reine.de.tout

That too. :-)

After next Friday I'm going to be ready for some lunch with you!

480 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:43:11pm

re: #479 pink freud

That too. :-)

After next Friday I'm going to be ready for some lunch with you!

OOH!
will be looking forward to it!

481 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:44:28pm

re: #475 Son of the Black Dog

How did a truck driver become USAF Chief of Staff?

Found this:

Defense Secretary Robert Gates knew he had a problem in early summer 2008. The U.S. Air Force was becoming a public punch line. He had just fired its senior military and civilian leaders after several embarrassing nuclear mishaps. The service was again stumbling to buy replacements for two aging airframes. And its top leaders were resisting Gates’ directions on war policies.

The secretary wanted to send a message and shake things up. "We needed a change of leadership to bring a new perspective and especially to underscore the importance of accountability," Gates said last June. His search for a new chief led him not to the Air Force’s proud ranks of flyers trained to put weapons on targets, but to an officer with a background in special operations and logistics: Gen. Schwartz. All previous service chiefs were either fighter or bomber pilots. Message sent...

[Link: www.whorunsgov.com...]

482 callahan23  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:46:08pm

re: #478 reine.de.tout

Could also be an example of "head in the sand" way of thinking. Sort of like my ex-husband.

My estranged wife has this "three monkeys" liberal way.

483 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:46:45pm

re: #482 callahan23

My estranged wife has this "three monkeys" liberal way.

hahahaha!
A good one!

484 1SG(ret)  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:46:46pm

A Hercules driver sticking it to the Fighter Drivers: Go figure!

485 pink freud  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:47:07pm

Callahan, I've blued my nic, would you contact me?

486 haakondahl  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:49:43pm

re: #465 Son of the Black Dog

Prior to Gulf War I, the Air Force was planning to scrap the A-10. (The Israelis said they would buy them all.) After their performance in the Gulf War, the Air Force decided that maybe they should keep them after all.

I understand that Congress told the "Pure Air Warrior", the "Knights of the Sky" of the Air Force that if they wanted to get rid of the A-10s, then the planes and the mission would go to the Army. That, of course, the Air Force will not tolerate.

487 callahan23  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:54:59pm

re: #485 pink freud

Done.

488 Darwin Akbar  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:55:39pm

re: #109 MandyManners

No, that's the Men's Warehouse George Zimmer. I have an old friend who works at company HQ in SanFran and who is proud of their Moonbat connections.

Needless to say, she has gone total Moonbat as well. Sad, really...I've bought a lot of stuff at MW over the years.

489 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 3:56:12pm

The left has just as many anti-science kooks as the right does, they are kept under covers by helpful media hacks. I'm glad you are exposing them as well Charles, since they hold power atm they are actually in some ways more worrisome than those on the right.
The other hotbed of kookery for the left is the Esalen institute, you will find all sorts of these types there.

490 Gus  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 4:01:38pm

Couple of more articles:

Gates names non-fighter pilot to head Air Force
By Peter Spiegel, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
June 09, 2008

In a sign of how urgently he wants to shake up the Air Force, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates announced today he was appointing the first non-fighter pilot to become the service's chief of staff in more than 25 years.

The nomination of Gen. Norton A. Schwartz, who is currently head of the Pentagon's transportation command and rose through the ranks as a pilot of military cargo planes, marks a significant break for the Air Force, which has been led by fighter and bomber pilots almost since its inception after World War II...

2 Picked For Top Spots in Air Force
By Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 10, 200

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates yesterday recommended two nominees to the White House to take the top leadership positions in the Air Force, just days after he ousted the service's secretary and chief of staff amid concerns about the security of the nation's nuclear arsenal and other recent shortfalls.

bbl

491 haakondahl  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 4:02:07pm

re: #448 avanti

Yep, throw the Bush appointee under the bus because you disagree with him. It's the General Betrayus bullshit I heard from the left. Here's his bio if you want to make jokes about the General

Air Force.


Get this: I always disagreed with the new crop. I was just about distraught in the run-up to Gates' confirmation. I could not figure out why WHY why the President was appointing such a man to that post. Now I know. It was a very canny move to maintain continuity across administrations. So in retrospect, it was a good pick.
It doesn't mean I agree with either of them. I don't have to.
And please don't conflate some military mafia skullduggery or the comments relating to it with the disgusting smear campaign put out by MoveOn.
It doesn't much matter to me whether we get a new AS platform for the Air Force. First off, one of the wrong lessons learned from the Gulf War (despite the perfect example of the Falklands) is that an Air Force is sufficient for victory. The problem with an Air Force is that is power decreases rapidly with distance from a big-ass base and a limitless supply of fuel.
Now the NAVY, on the other hand should get a first rate suite of aircraft. You know, like we fielded in the Cold War.
When the phone rings at 3 AM, the President does not ask, "Quick, how soon can King Khalid Airbase arrive on station?"

492 Wendya  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 4:14:02pm

re: #486 haakondahl

I understand that Congress told the "Pure Air Warrior", the "Knights of the Sky" of the Air Force that if they wanted to get rid of the A-10s, then the planes and the mission would go to the Army. That, of course, the Air Force will not tolerate.


It should have been an Army mission to begin with.

493 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 5:22:19pm

Having designed real solar buildings for the real world, and knowing the value of all the real stuff, I am very dismayed that politicians have grabbed onto the "green" bandwagon.

I fear it will be a 10 or 20 year kiss of suspended animation for the whole field, what with all the over-promising and consequent resentments and let-downs that will then happen.

I wish they would all go away.

—Ojoe, Architect.

494 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 5:40:49pm

Like The Stalin in Chief gives a shit about the military. I am just surprised he did not name a supply Sergeant as the commander. Libs hate the military. Always have, always will. Having a short haircut in college made me truly hated. Even professors. (They sure as hell did not invite me to any of there wine & cheese parties on Friday nights) So messing with the military now is just the tip of the iceberg. What is next? Appointing Michael Moore as Sec of Defense?

495 Dreader1962  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 5:45:37pm

re: #168 Eowyn2

It doesn't matter what happened at a specific event. I am against 'hate crimes' - no matter who they protect.

As far as my personal experience, look at my profile.

I have been in the midst of protesters who hate the military. I didn't ask for more protections. Law enforcement needs to prosecute any assault that happens - what you are proposing is that at a particular event, someone who attacks a group of people consisting of military and some civilian bystanders would be prosecuted more severely for the crimes against the military victims than against the civilians. This is repugnant to a soldier, who wants to protect civilians in preference to his personal safety.

496 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 6:01:50pm

How to tell something is *bad*:
Republican President uses it a few times to cover a few specific things...
Democrat President uses it to the max to increase control over everything in sight with an accounting to no one.
Czar = dictator
Czars in place of appointed cabinet members = creating your own government without any oversight or accountability to the People you serve... the O' is not a public servant...
Perhaps congress should pass an act that abolishes Czars in luie of cabinet members after a few months or forces them to be approved like any other cabinet member...
sigh...
sigh...

497 Doubleview  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 6:11:14pm

I am sick to death of politicians appointing their lawyer friends to positions that require an comprehensive understanding of how scientific knowledge is generated and revised. So many lawyers approach science like they approach the law. Essentially, in law, the "facts" matter only to the degree that they can be marshaled into an argument. There is no objective truth that is unalterable, only arguments that can change how facts are interpreted. Lawyers then extend that thinking to science, with no respect for how scientists think of facts as the bases of designing experiments to elicit further facts, all in the pursuit of a better approximation of objective truth. This is the fundamental difference between the law and science. And public policy with respect to science is repeatedly distorted, because the policy is set by politicians, who are overwhelmingly lawyers, who simply don't understand what they are talking about! It absolutely drives me crazy, and this appointment of Vann Jones is just a more egregious example of what occurs all the time. I'm SICK OF IT!!!

498 Steffan  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 6:21:55pm

OK, I realize that I am coming to this late.

However...

WTF is Obama thinking?? Does he not think that we will vet his choices???

The current word is that he is an utterly incompetent executive. Everything I've seen to this point reinforces that idea. This item more than reinforces it.

Actually, calling him merely utterly incompetent is a gross compliment to him. Completely fucking incompetent might begin to describe him.

499 Doubleview  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 6:52:46pm

re: #498 Steffan

He is sooo out of his depth. He doesn't know enough not to believe his own BS. All he's ever done for a living is talk. He thinks he can talk his way through anything. The Iranians and North Koreans are giving him a little education in how the world really works. It is so nauseating to see Obama stand up and talk tough about how "he won't stand for delays", etc, etc. All he has is words. It's all he's ever needed. Actual management, production, creation ... these are all things foreign to him. Our only hope is that the rest of the country catches on soon, and he spends his remaining 3 years the equivalent of a lame duck, because nobody has confidence in him any more.

500 bobbuck  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 7:09:23pm

re: #416 OldLineTexan

I find [the A-10] a thing of beauty and a joy forever.

This page gave me a lot of respect for the A-10. It's probably the best money the USAF ever spent.

501 funky chicken  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 7:10:03pm

What a damn shame that it appears that we have to choose between creationists and authoritarian communists these days.

It pains me terribly as a biochemist to say it, but I'll take the creationists over Obama's "science czars" any day...dammit. But... at least the creationists don't believe in using government power to enact policies that will kill the American economy and/or flirt with population control policies like the Erlich protege we were discussing a couple of days ago.

502 pygmalienation  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 7:35:10pm
The main areas of research are “extended human capacities” (just a fancy way of saying spoon-bending and reincarnation), “integral health and healing” ( not just the expected quack remedies and therapies, but even worse “distant healing” methods as well), and “emerging worldviews” (which combines ecological extremism with New Age spirituality).


File under:
"Gee it sounds neat, it has to be true..."

503 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 7:40:19pm
Members of the Institute’s board of directors and extended faculty include Bishop Desmond Tutu, professional pseudoscientist Rupert Sheldrake, religious left guru Michael Lerner, and the Clown Prince of Quackery himself, Deepak Chopra. You’ll find Van Jones listed as a fellow on the board of directors page, along with “collective consciousness” scholar Chris Bache and former Noetic Institute president James O’Dea, who currently runs a variety of “spiritual” retreats and workshops.

well well well... what do we have here?

504 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 7:42:01pm
Jones is a former communist who was radicalized by the 1992 Los Angeles riots and has continued to associate himself with groups on the far left,

The main requirement to be an Obama Czar: must be a communist.

505 mrkwong  Tue, Jul 21, 2009 9:35:48pm

re: #501 funky chicken


It pains me terribly as a biochemist to say it, but I'll take the creationists over Obama's "science czars" any day

Agreed. Obama's team is uniquely unqualified for their jobs. Whether we're talking about 'Energy Secretary' Chu, who no doubt understands energy at the banging-particles-together level but who knows bupkus about getting coal (or gas, or oil, or just about anything) from a hole in the ground to a power plant boiler or Corvette gas tank, to Holdren and this guy, to Jackson and Browner who are just party-line zealots, they're at best useless individually and at worst a collective existential hazard to our quality of life.

506 JEA62  Wed, Jul 22, 2009 3:56:19am

How convenient. Snippets from a 32 year old text book which may or may not be taken out of context, and since it's out of print no copies to confirm or refute the claims.

I might also remind you that overpopulation was a pretty common scientific concern in the 70s, to the point popular sci fi movies like "Soylent Green" and "Omega Man" were being made.

507 Pupdawg  Wed, Jul 22, 2009 6:16:53am

re: #504 FrogMarch

The main requirement to be an Obama Czar: must be a communist.

Birds of a feather...or, as my maternal grandmother used to preach, 'son, not only are you known by the friends you keep, everybody else knows you, too.' She had a little 'Yogi' in her.


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