That statement should be obvious. Unfortunately to man it isn't.

This is like the moron who asked why the prison population was so high when crime was decreasing. Because more criminals are in prison. As you say, "Well, duh."

re: #1 Lee Coller

That statement should be obvious. Unfortunately to many it isn't.

PIMF

Good fences make good neighbors.

Some don't like Israel being able to protect itself, so the fence has to go.

Thankfully- Israel isn't stupid enough to comply.

To the concept of peace through strength add peace through separation.

One world

Netanyahu made the comments after Israel's Maariv newspaper said Palestinian officials had pressed Washington to push for the barrier to be dismantled because of an improved security situation in the West Bank

Just as I suspected.

re: #4 experiencedtraveller

Well sort of.

Mr. Netanyahu, when it comes to Israel's security and right to exist, anytime anyone, including Mrs. Clintoon and her boss FCBBHO try to tell you otherwise, tell them to GO PISS UP A ROPE.

The barrier, mainly razor-wired tipped fences but also comprised of towering concrete walls, snakes through land Israel captured in a 1967 war.

I hope moonbats' heads don't explode when they read this.

There are good walls, and there are bad walls. Good walls protect, bad walls enslave. (The barriers in Iraq are the former, the Berlin wall is the latter)

re: #13 buzzsawmonkey

I certainly wouldn't have wanted to live next to Fagin, nor would I have let him borrow my lawnmower.

/Oh, right. The other kind of fence.

Now that was an artful dodger. :)

re: #12 Thanos

"KEEP...UP...THE WALL!
KEEP...UP...THE WALL!"

/stoned Pink Floyd Fans

re: #11 MandyManners

Which heads are you referring to...the ones between their shoulders?

/snicker

The barrier, mainly razor-wired tipped fences but also comprised of towering concrete walls, snakes through land Israel captured in a 1967 war.

I just love how Reuters deliberately refuses to call this war by its name: The Six Days War. Israel opened a can of whuppass on the Arabs and took the West Bank, Gaza, the Sinai and the Golan Heights. Funny, how only the Jews are required to give back territory seized in a legitimate, legal war.

*SPIT*

Maybe Israel can take it down and have a crew following 10 feet behind putting it up again to create jobs Obama style.

There have been numerous instances in the past where the Israelis have reduced their security checkpoints as a good will gesture, only to be promptly reminded that those checkpoints were present for good reason. The terrorists attacked.

Now, the Obama Administration is pressuring Israel to remove the security fence, which has done quite well to prevent Palestinian terrorism. They have it bass-ackward. The fence caused the quiet, not the other way around. Removing the fence will open up the opportunity for more terrorism, and history is a guide on this. Areas that were fenced off saw a decline in terrorism as compared to those areas that didn't have a security fence.

Gaza is a special circumstance since the terrorists in Gaza decided that in addition to suicide bombers and attacks across or under the security fence, they'll start a rocket war. Fatah didn't go that route, but pushing Israel to take down the security fence is a big mistake, and Israel shouldn't give in to American pressure.

"It's quite because the fence exists." Common sense. So rare these days.

Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erekat told Reuters he had approached the United States on the issue. "The Israelis know that the wall adds to the complexities. It's part of the problem and not part of the solution," he said.

Unbelievable.

On a related note, I never understood why the US went and dropped the bomb on Japan... they surrendered a few days later anyway!

/

re: #21 midwestgak

"It's quite because the fence exists." Common sense. So rare these days.

Well, I'm not hungry so I'll just trow all my food out.//

re: #18 Gang of One

I just love how al-Reuters deliberately refuses to call this war by its name: The Six Days War. Israel opened a can of whuppass on the Arabs and took the West Bank, Gaza, the Sinai and the Golan Heights. Funny, how only the Jews are required to give back territory seized in a legitimate, legal war.

*SPIT*

There, fixed that for ya!

re: #22 scottishbuzzsaw

Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erekat told Reuters he had approached the United States on the issue. "The Israelis know that the wall adds to the complexities. It's part of the problem and not part of the solution," he said.

Translation: The security wall is an obstacle in the path of the Final Solution.

An analysis of Operation Cast Lead that we had a thread on yesterday, said that before engaging force, other techniques should be tried. In Gaza, that failed, as they couldn't stop the Qassams.
On the West Bank, they built the barrier. It worked.
Those who complain think Israel has no right to defend itself.

re: #19 Baier

Maybe Israel can take it down and have a crew following 10 feet behind putting it up again to create jobs Obama style.

Things like that always remind me of this quote:

"What's your dirt doing in Boss Keen's ditch?"

re: #5 Sharmuta

Some don't like Israel being able to protect itself, so the fence has to go.

Thankfully- Israel isn't stupid enough to comply.

Tzippi Livni would have complied.

Good fences make good neighbors.

Hey y'all - sorry I "stomped" off on the DT. I do hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

“I hear they are saying today that because it’s quiet, it’s possible to take down the fence. My friends, the opposite is true,” he said. “It’s quiet because a fence exists.”

I wonder who the "they" Netanyahu is referring to are? Could it be the Obama Administration is included as part of the "they"?

“I hear they are saying today that because it’s quiet, it’s possible to take down the fence. My friends, the opposite is true,” he said. “It’s quiet because a fence exists.”

But that would be like saying if you locked up murderers there would be less murder. Who could believe such nonsense?

re: #22 scottishbuzzsaw

The wall really put a crimp in their ability to kill Jews.

re: #31 calcajun

OK, it didn't work so well for the Chinese and the Mongols-- but otherwise...

re: #29 Alouette

Tzippi Livni would have complied.

Thank God for Bibi.

I remember "human rights" groups complaining about the fortified, remote machine gun turrets the Israelis deployed along the Gaza strip. They seemed to not notice the smuggling tunnels under the barren Green Houses or the rockets flying out of Gaza.

re: #18 Gang of One

I just love how Reuters deliberately refuses to call this war by its name: The Six Days War. Israel opened a can of whuppass on the Arabs and took the West Bank, Gaza, the Sinai and the Golan Heights. Funny, how only the Jews are required to give back territory seized in a legitimate, legal war.

*SPIT*

And give it "back" to an entity that didn't exist at the time. Jordan doesn't want the West Bank now.
If you ask most people today, they'd probably think Israel conquered the West Bank from "Palestine". In a sense, they'd be right, as Jordan is supposed to be the Palestinian state.

If Jordan thinks it should be given to a Palestinian state, then Jordan should guarantee that state won't attack Israel.

re: #35 Sharmuta

The wall really put a crimp in their ability to kill Jews.

Yes. How dare we defend ourselves and fight back.

re: #38 Idle Drifter

Don't forget the mortar fire as well.

re: #18 Gang of One

The barrier, mainly razor-wired tipped fences but also comprised of towering concrete walls, snakes through land Israel captured in a 1967 war.

Reuters failed to mention that Israel captured the land from Jordan which had illegally occupied the West Bank in 1948, and that the Six Days War started because Egypt, Jordan & Syria attacked Israel first.

re: #36 calcajun

OK, it didn't work so well for the Chinese and the Mongols-- but otherwise...

Damned Mongorians!

Good fences make good neighbors

Good, now that THAT'S settled, lets do away with the idea of a judenrein East Jerusalem while we're at it.

re: #15 BlueCanuck

Now that was an artful dodger. :)

Why, you little dickens!

re: #20 lawhawk

Well, the US considers east Jerusalem to be a "settlement".
How long before the State Dept. starts referring to Tel Aviv as one as well?

Fatah = Good Cop
Hamas = Bad Cop

Israel should INSIST that Fatah and Hamas agree and negotiate as one. making an agreement with Fatah only to have Hamas declare war is not going to work.

/sure it is obvious, but we still have to say it.

Hillary Clinton makies a terrifying threat to the North Koreans:

Clinton to Norks: Give up your nukes, or -- we'll keep doing exactly what we're doing now!

I'm sure they're trembling in their boots!

re: #43 eschew_obfuscation

Damned Mongorians!

They never learned to keep their dog in their pot..er..yard./

Hey al-Reuters: Six Days, Bitch.

re: #49 zombie

Hillary Clinton makies a terrifying threat to the North Koreans:

Clinton to Norks: Give up your nukes, or -- we'll keep doing exactly what we're doing now!

I'm sure they're trembling in their boots!

With laughter...

re: #38 Idle Drifter

I remember "human rights" groups complaining about the fortified, remote machine gun turrets the Israelis deployed along the Gaza strip. They seemed to not notice the smuggling tunnels under the barren Green Houses or the rockets flying out of Gaza.

That's because the "human rights groups" don't think Jews are human; shooting rockets at us is fine.

re: #42 Kenneth

Reuters failed to mention that Israel captured the land from Jordan which had illegally occupied the West Bank in 1948, and that the Six Days War started because Egypt, Jordan & Syria attacked Israel first.

IIRC, was not the first strike a preemptive one on Israel's part when she got the intelligence that the Arabs were minutes from launching their assault?

re: #49 zombie

Hillary Clinton makies a terrifying threat to the North Koreans:

Clinton to Norks: Give up your nukes, or -- we'll keep doing exactly what we're doing now!

I'm sure they're trembling in their boots!

I thought the Norks ate their boots already.

re: #48 Buck
With all due respect Buck, Israel can't make a deal with either Fatah or Hamas because they each want to destroy all the Israelis and all of Israel.

re: #31 calcajun

Good fences make good neighbors.

That depends on what kinds of stolen goods they have to sell.

Oh wait, you wrote "fences."

re: #46 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah I know, and Hamas and Fatah have great expectations that the USA state department will twist Israels arm too.

Prosecutors: American charged in NYC terror case

An American has been charged with receiving training from al-Qaida and providing the terrorist organization with information about the New York City transit system.

Court papers unsealed Wednesday in New York federal court identified the defendant as Bryant Neal Vinas, who was believed to be cooperating in a terrorism case in Europe.

Vinas' identity had been kept secret since his indictment late last year, and federal prosecutors refused to discuss the case on Wednesday.

re: #49 zombie

Hillary Clinton makies a terrifying threat to the North Koreans:

Clinton to Norks: Give up your nukes, or -- we'll keep doing exactly what we're doing now!

I'm sure they're trembling in their boots!

I'm sure Kim Jong Il already has an endearing nickname for the Secretary of State:

Israel T-shirts at the Zionist Mall.

Am I the only one who thinks Olmert would have had it taken down by now?

Did someone say exploding heads?

"We mean you no harm. We seek peaceful coexistence."
(Ick factor alert)

re: #56 realwest

With all due respect Buck, Israel can't make a deal with either Fatah or Hamas because they each want to destroy all the Israelis and all of Israel.

They can make a hudna, but the MSM would call it a peace treaty.
And ignore the Pali terrorism, but make a big point about the Jews stopping it.

re: #55 Kosh's Shadow

I thought the Norks ate their boots already.

They thought Charlie Chaplin's The Gold Rush was an instructional video.

What if Israel put a sign on the wall - in Spanish, of course - saying

This is not the security barrier.

This is the wall Mexico is building to keep out American tourists.

Do you think that would solve the problem?

re: #2 JamesTKirk

This is like the moron who asked why the prison population was so high when crime was decreasing. Because more criminals are in prison. As you say, "Well, duh."

James Taranto at Best of the Web calls this the Fox Butterworth school of journalism. The delightfully named Mr. Butterworth wrote a piece about the high prison population and asked exactly the question you mention. He's with the NYT, naturally.

re: #53 Kosh's Shadow

That's because the "human rights groups" don't think Jews are human; shooting rockets at us is fine.

For some reason the "HRGs" called Hamas mortar teams "teachers" and "students" and weapons smugglers "goat herders" and "farmers."

re: #62 MandyManners

Am I the only one who thinks Olmert would have had it taken down by now?

And he would have invited FCBBHO to grovel out an apology with him.

re: #49 zombie
Hey zom! I found this more threatening:

Clinton said during an earlier television interview in Bangkok that the U.S. would also turn to its international partners in dealing with Iran, extending a "defense umbrella" over its Persian Gulf allies to prevent Iran from dominating the region "once they have a nuclear weapon."

"We want Iran to calculate what I think is a fair assessment: that if the United States extends a defense umbrella over the region, if we do even more to develop the military capacity of those (allies) in the Gulf, it is unlikely that Iran will be any stronger or safer because they won't be able to intimidate and dominate as they apparently believe they can once they have a nuclear weapon," she said.

Those remarks raised eyebrows in Jerusalem, where Dan Meridor, Israel's minister of intelligence and atomic energy, told Army Radio: "I was not thrilled to hear the American statement from yesterday that they will protect their allies with a nuclear umbrella, as if they have already come to terms with a nuclear Iran. I think that's a mistake."

Hours after Meridor spoke, Clinton insisted during the news conference in Phuket that she was "not suggesting any new policy" on Iran and continued to believe that "Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons is unacceptable."
[emphasis added, realwest]

(from your link!).

re: #54 Gang of One

IIRC, was not the first strike a preemptive one on Israel's part when she got the intelligence that the Arabs were minutes from launching their assault?

According to the wiki, when the Israelis heard that the Straits of Tiran would be closed and Egypt had 1000 tanks and 100,000 troops on Israel's border, Israel attacked.

re: #63 lurking faith

Too bad John-Luck and Willie didn't get slimed by that...

re: #62 MandyManners

Am I the only one who thinks Olmert would have had it taken down by now?

NO.

re: #64 Kosh's Shadow
Amen Kosh, you've hit the nail on the head!

re: #58 BlueCanuck

Yeah I know, and Hamas and Fatah have great expectations that the USA state department will twist Israels arm too.

We're not getting many pips out of this thread today.

re: #75 Mad Al-Jaffee

We're not getting many pips out of this thread today.

Definitely not the best of times, but it could be the worst.

re: #67 doppelganglander

James Taranto at Best of the Web calls this the Fox Butterworth school of journalism. The delightfully named Mr. Butterworth wrote a piece about the high prison population and asked exactly the question you mention. He's with the NYT, naturally.

His name is Butterworth? Is he married to a talking syrup bottle?

It's pretty simple. When the Pales stop glorifying and encouraging the murder of innocent Israeli's then they might find themselves with a little more free access to Israeli society.

I've never understood how they can declare war on a people and then bemoan the resultant barriers, checkpoints, loss of access to jobs and goods, et cet... Even more puzzling is how easily they sell this crap thinking to the European and American lefty weanies. And these latter seem completely oblivious to the fact of the Pales endemic societal rot that disallows rights and freedom and productive dissent such as the idea of getting along with Israelis. And instead trumps up lies to demonize and propagandize to make the issue worse and worse and ironically does most harm to their own society which at this point sounds nightmarish.

This is the actual roots of the problem. Not the fence.

re: #76 BlueCanuck

Definitely not the best of times, but it could be the worst.

Yeah, it's not looking too bleak in this house.

re: #71 eschew_obfuscation

According to the wiki, when the Israelis heard that the Straits of Tiran would be closed and Egypt had 1000 tanks and 100,000 troops on Israel's border, Israel attacked.

Aye, I think the IAF also took out most if not all of Egypt's air force while it was still on the tarmac. IIRC, IAF lost 14 warplanes; the combined losses for the Arab's were 400+.

re: #77 Mad Al-Jaffee

His name is Butterworth? Is he married to a talking syrup bottle?

I think that's a sticky question!

Well the fence is an impediment to the Palestinian attempts to reduce unemployment one suicide bomber at a time///

Well, it could be worse for Israel. Their best ally could be caving into the PC-Fantasyland School of Diplomacy.

Clinton Stirs Israeli Fears US will accept Nucler Iran

Oh wait...nevermind

Funny stuff. The fence has worked in reducing attacks, thus there's no need for the fence and it should be taken down! Typical "progressive" thinking there. The words "progressive" and "reality" are mutually exclusive.

re: #75 Mad Al-Jaffee

The libs have all vanished into the woodwork too. Wonder why that is?

re: #67 doppelganglander

James Taranto at Best of the Web calls this the Fox Butterworth school of journalism. The delightfully named Mr. Butterworth wrote a piece about the high prison population and asked exactly the question you mention. He's with the NYT, naturally.

And the exact reverse happened in the city of Oakland ovcer the last decade. The liberals' theory went: "Criminals are only classified as criminals because we've put them in jail. But if we close the jail and instead "rehabilitate" offenders, then we'll get rid of crime, since there will no longer be any criminals in Oakland!"

So, they closed the Oakland jail (yes, seriously). End result? Crimes rates went way up! Like, duh. Now they have to ship all arrestees to the county jail in Dublin, and the transportation costs for sending them out there and back is actually higher than the cost to run the city jail to begin with!

re: #81 realwest

I think that's a sticky question!

Make sure you get a straight answer, dont let them waffle

re: #77 Mad Al-Jaffee

His name is Butterworth? Is he married to a talking syrup bottle?

I dunno about "syrup"-- unless it's cough syrup.

re: #70 realwest

Israelis understand exactly what the statement means, just like the Tibetans knew exactly what Hillary meant when she said Human Rights in the region were no longer a priority. They're both on their own until Obama is gone.

re: #81 realwest

I think that's a sticky question!

IHOP we don't get into a new pun thread here.

Charles--any chance of a thread on the "defense umbrella" statement?

NeverGiveUp nailed it on the Overnight Open.

re: #87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Make sure you get a straight answer, dont let them waffle

Might have to slap the crepe out of them for a response.

re: #83 Desert Dog
Y'all might want to read my #70! (h/t zombie).

re: #86 zombie

And the exact reverse happened in the city of Oakland ovcer the last decade. The liberals' theory went: "Criminals are only classified as criminals because we've put them in jail. But if we close the jail and instead "rehabilitate" offenders, then we'll get rid of crime, since there will no longer be any criminals in Oakland!"

So, they closed the Oakland jail (yes, seriously). End result? Crimes rates went way up! Like, duh. Now they have to ship all arrestees to the county jail in Dublin, and the transportation costs for sending them out there and back is actually higher than the cost to run the city jail to begin with!

With California about to close a bunch of prisons, it probably won't get better any time soon.

re: #83 Desert Dog

Well, it could be worse for Israel. Their best ally could be caving into the PC-Fantasyland School of Diplomacy.

Clinton Stirs Israeli Fears US will accept Nucler Iran

Oh wait...nevermind

Yes this seems a lot like they've given up. And the threat of missile defense is laughable anyway because this Administration represents those in our society that have always ridiculted "star wars" missile defense. Now they're going to threaten to use it? And O already says he wants to reduce funding for it.

So I agree. This is pretty much telling Israel good luck and all.

re: #86 zombie

And the exact reverse happened in the city of Oakland ovcer the last decade. The liberals' theory went: "Criminals are only classified as criminals because we've put them in jail. But if we close the jail and instead "rehabilitate" offenders, then we'll get rid of crime, since there will no longer be any criminals in Oakland!"

So, they closed the Oakland jail (yes, seriously). End result? Crimes rates went way up! Like, duh. Now they have to ship all arrestees to the county jail in Dublin, and the transportation costs for sending them out there and back is actually higher than the cost to run the city jail to begin with!

But of course they meant well...///
Just amplifies my belief that liberals shouldn't be allowed to handle anything more dangerous than nerf.

If I owned a nice house with a well kept yard in a neighborhood full of crack houses and thieves and murderers and nonproductive welfare bums, I'd have a big-ass wall and watch dogs and I'd be well armed legally or illegally.
Screw the critics.

What?
An actual physical barrier is keeping people from crossing from one side to the other?
Outrageous!
Unacceptable!

re: #78 dwells38

The Palis are like Tony Soprano complaining that the police and FBI are interfering in his business.
They complain about any attempt to stop the only thing they want to produce - dead Jews.

re: #96 LGoPs

But of course they meant well...///
Just amplifies my belief that liberals shouldn't be allowed to handle anything more dangerous than nerf.

Problem is ... liberals get to vote. And there's way too many of them out there.

re: #90 Mad Al-Jaffee

IHOP we don't get into a new pun thread here.

maple we will...maple we won't.

re: #86 zombie
But still, ya gotta love California (apologies to Charles and any California lizards here) it's become the Biden of States: the gift that keeps on giving!

re: #86 zombie

And the exact reverse happened in the city of Oakland ovcer the last decade. The liberals' theory went: "Criminals are only classified as criminals because we've put them in jail. But if we close the jail and instead "rehabilitate" offenders, then we'll get rid of crime, since there will no longer be any criminals in Oakland!"

So, they closed the Oakland jail (yes, seriously). End result? Crimes rates went way up! Like, duh. Now they have to ship all arrestees to the county jail in Dublin, and the transportation costs for sending them out there and back is actually higher than the cost to run the city jail to begin with!

Now, now, remember, it's the intentions that count, not the results. You are quite rude to point out that little bit of information. The good people that decided upon the action of closing the jail meant well, so, we'll have none of these negatives vibes.

/

re: #86 zombie

And the exact reverse happened in the city of Oakland ovcer the last decade. The liberals' theory went: "Criminals are only classified as criminals because we've put them in jail. But if we close the jail and instead "rehabilitate" offenders, then we'll get rid of crime, since there will no longer be any criminals in Oakland!"

So, they closed the Oakland jail (yes, seriously). End result? Crimes rates went way up! Like, duh. Now they have to ship all arrestees to the county jail in Dublin, and the transportation costs for sending them out there and back is actually higher than the cost to run the city jail to begin with!

The liberals want to "tear down the prisons".
OTOH, I remember a great Richard Pryor sketch, after they made "Stir Crazy" at the Arizona pen, where he said "There are reasons we got penitentiaries!"

re: #85 pink freud

The libs have all vanished into the woodwork too. Wonder why that is?

I can only account for iceweasel.

re: #99 Kosh's Shadow

And the moral relativists in our society (and in our White House) don't see what is wrong with that position.
Idiots, every single one of them.

re: #87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Make sure you get a straight answer, dont let them waffle

If this keeps going, we're going to end up talking about (St.) pancakes.

re: #77 Mad Al-Jaffee

His name is Butterworth? Is he married to a talking syrup bottle?

LOL, unfortunately I was wrong. It's Fox Butterfield. Still a pretty amusing name, though. It's just crying out for a numeral at the end.

re: #96 LGoPs

But of course they meant well...///
Just amplifies my belief that liberals shouldn't be allowed to handle anything more dangerous than nerf.

But, that's a choke hazard for them!

re: #56 realwest

With all due respect Buck, Israel can't make a deal with either Fatah or Hamas because they each want to destroy all the Israelis and all of Israel.

I understand that... please.

However Obama wants to pressure Israel into making peace with the 'moderate' fatah'. That must be unacceptable. AND IT MUST BE SAID AS SUCH.

Lizards on Facebook, please consider joining Barak Hussain Obama's real agenda a group on Facebook. It will be dedicated to pointing out what Obama is doing that is anti - Israel.

Sorry y'all but I gotta go eat some lunch. I hope I get the chance to see you all down the road and that you all have a great day!

re: #83 Desert Dog

Well, it could be worse for Israel. Their best ally could be caving into the PC-Fantasyland School of Diplomacy.

Clinton Stirs Israeli Fears US will accept Nucler Iran

Oh wait...nevermind

I was telling people even before Barrack Obama was elected that if he was elected the US would probably eventually accept a nuclear Iran. I hate being right all the time about President Zero, because it means we (and in this case, Israel too) are all so screwed.

God bless the USA and Israel.

re: #107 Kosh's Shadow

If this keeps going, we're going to end up talking about (St.) pancakes.

Sometimes I like to experiment with different spices in pancake batter. Like Corrie-ander.

If it works, stop doing it.
If it doesn't work, do more of it.
Better yet, do nothing in the first place and save the time and trouble.
/

re: #108 doppelganglander

LOL, unfortunately I was wrong. It's Fox Butterfield. Still a pretty amusing name, though. It's just crying out for a numeral at the end.

I don't think Butterfield is a funny name, but I'm a blues harmonica player. You kind of have to respect the name Butterfield if you play harp.

re: #114 Spare O'Lake

If it works, stop doing it.
If it doesn't work, do more of it.
Better yet, do nothing in the first place and save the time and trouble.
/

Well, that explains the stimulus package.

re: #112 Land Shark

I was telling people even before Barrack Obama was elected that if he was elected the US would probably eventually accept a nuclear Iran. I hate being right all the time about President Zero, because it means we (and in this case, Israel too) are all so screwed.

God bless the USA and Israel.

The sad thing is, McCain and/or Bush probably would have accepted it as well. Nobody was prepared to give the order to go after the Iranian nukes. The "cost" would be too high. But, once they do get the nukes and something happens. That "cost" will not seem like much, will it?

re: #54 Gang of One

No. The Arab states initiated that war. Israel responded. Read Six Days of War by Michale Oren. He thoroughly debunks the lie that Israel was the aggressor.

The Arab states committed several acts of war prior to Israel launching the air raid which knocked out Egypt's air force.

First, Arab radio was broadcasting announcements of an impending annihilating attack on Israel. That was an act of war.

Several Arab states moved their armies forward to the Israeli border. That was an act of war.

On two occasions, Egyptian air force jets entered Israeli airspace and flew over the closed military zone over Dimona. That was an act of war.

Egypt, Jordan & Saudi Arabia closed the Straits of Tiran, blocking Israeli shipping. That was an act of war.

A small Egyptian armored force crossed the border southeast of Gaza and fired on Israeli units before withdrawing. That was an act of war.

At this point, Israel responded with a brilliant air raid destroying Egypt's air force. Israel sent messages to Jordan and Syria they would not be attacked if they did not attack Israel.

Jordan responded by invading Israel with orders to "fire on every building, kill everybody". That was an act of war. Israel responded by fighting back against Jordan.

Syria sent commandos on a raid on the shore of the Sea of Galilee. Then Syria initiated artillery fire from the Golan Heights onto Israel. That was an act of war. Israel responded by invading the Golan Heights.

Worth noting: Lebanon, Iraq & Saudi Arabia all moved their armies forward to the Israeli frontier, but they did not attack Israel. Israel did not attack them.

re: #116 buzzsawmonkey

I have seen nothing yet to suggest that Obama is not still planning to lay a "Palestinian" state at the feet of the mullahs with the expectation that in exchange for not opposing Iran's nuclear ambitions, Iran will agree not to bomb Israel the Great Satan (the US) right now.

I'm not so sure he'll even try to stop them from bombing Israel.
He'll just find some way to blame Israel, like if they had only stopped building "settlements".

re: #102 realwest

But still, ya gotta love California (apologies to Charles and any California lizards here) it's become the Biden of States: the gift that keeps on giving!

If the Republicans could get their act together the example of California, under lockstep Democratic control, could become a powerful hammer to pound the Democrats with.

re: #118 Desert Dog

The sad thing is, McCain and/or Bush probably would have accepted it as well. Nobody was prepared to give the order to go after the Iranian nukes. The "cost" would be too high. But, once they do get the nukes and something happens. That "cost" will not seem like much, will it?

That's what I've been saying.
Israel will stop them, and end up paying the cost of world criticism.

*Caloomph*
:-D
A very good afternoon y'all.
Lizardia Hooray!

re: #122 Kosh's Shadow

That's what I've been saying.
Israel will stop them, and end up paying the cost of world criticism.

Doing the dirty work of the world and then getting punished for it...pathetic

re: #115 Mad Al-Jaffee

I don't think Butterfield is a funny name, but I'm a blues harmonica player. You kind of have to respect the name Butterfield if you play harp.

James Cotton has always been one my favorite harp players..
The Georgia Swing changed my whole view of the art.

"Flesh eating Ghouls attacking people in the cities?"
"Nonsense... Why is everyone barricading their houses and sitting on their roofs with rifles and shotguns?"
Last words of a twit clueless to the impending danger.

re: #123 callahan23

*Caloomph*
:-D
A very good afternoon y'all.
Lizardia Hooray!

LOL! Hey there, callahan!

re: #118 Desert Dog

I don't know abiout the "doing nothing" part. I'm sure that neither Bush nor McCain wanted Iran to have a nuclear weapon.
With Obama, I'm not so sure. It very much fits his "citizen of the world" ethic to have power like that distributed equally among brutal dictatorships and free Democracies.

re: #107 Kosh's Shadow

If this keeps going, we're going to end up talking about (St.) pancakes.

Those jokes always fall flat

re: #123 callahan23

*Caloomph*
:-D
A very good afternoon y'all.
Lizardia Hooray!

Good Afternoon! How goes it?

re: #125 HoosierHoops

Cotton's one of the best living old school blues players. He always blows me away. (no pun intended)

re: #121 LGoPs

If the Republicans could get their act together the example of California, under lockstep Democratic control, could become a powerful hammer to pound the Democrats with.

I'm surprised that queen Pelosi hasn't tried to bail California out yet... 8th largest economy in the world, too big to fail...

re: #123 callahan23

*Caloomph*
:-D
A very good afternoon y'all.
Lizardia Hooray!

Howdy, Callahan!

/someone's in an excellent mood today :-)

re: #123 callahan23

*Caloomph*
:-D
A very good afternoon y'all.
Lizardia Hooray!

How's beautiful Deutschland today?

re: #99 Kosh's Shadow

The worst thing is that President Zero and his gang of idiots don't understand how right on the money these comments of yours are. A truth that should be obvious to anyone paying any attention. Fortunately, the Israelis are not dumb and they can see the writing on the wall, Obama is no friend of Israel. And thankfully they have a leader who understands this and will not compromise on Israel's security.

re: #121 LGoPs

If the Republicans could get their act together the example of California, under lockstep Democratic control, could become a powerful hammer to pound the Democrats with.

Something could always come up and change things in California, but the demographics and districting suggest otherwise. The only hope California has is getting in some "less-liberal" Democrats in the State House. Even with the walls crumbling and the sharks circling, they are still sitting there thinking they continue on like before. Reality is going to be very painful in California. (And, many other states as well, including the one I am in right now, AZ)

re: #119 Kenneth

No. The Arab states initiated that war. Israel responded. Read Six Days of War by Michale Oren. He thoroughly debunks the lie that Israel was the aggressor.

Excellent. Thank you for setting me straight.

re: #133 pink freud

Howdy, Callahan!

/someone's in an excellent mood today :-)

Hi pink freud! Guess why ;-)
It has been a wonderful day today. How are you doin'?

re: #136 Land Shark

The worst thing is that President Zero and his gang of idiots don't understand how right on the money these comments of yours are. A truth that should be obvious to anyone paying any attention. Fortunately, the Israelis are not dumb and they can see the writing on the wall, Obama is no friend of Israel. And thankfully they have a leader who understands this and will not compromise on Israel's security.

I think you over estimate Bibi's resolve and leadership

OT, there is a new Chrysler car deal being announced. They will match the governments $3500-$4500 cash rebate if you qualify, or just rebate $3500-$4500 if you don't. The dealer won't have details until midnight but you could get $9000 off a $20,000 car for example.
I have a beater 91 Ford PU, that gets 15 MPG, and if I buy a car with 20 MPG or better, that's 9K off as I read the deal.
The dealer claims the cheaper cars will sell quickly, so I'm off to shop before they sell out.

re: #132 eschew_obfuscation

I'm surprised that queen Pelosi hasn't tried to bail California out yet... 8th largest economy in the world, too big to fail...

I'd love to see a series of commercials from the RNC showing California's crisis along the lines of the 'This is your brain...This is your brain on drugs' meme.

re: #102 realwest

But still, ya gotta love California (apologies to Charles and any California lizards here) it's become the Biden of States: the gift that keeps on giving!

We do our best to make the other states look good. It's a tough job, but somebody's gotta do it.

re: #139 callahan23

Fine as frog's hair, Callahan, thanks for askin'. :-)

re: #28 Thanos

Things like that always remind me of this quote:

"What's your dirt doing in Boss Keen's ditch?"

Good one, Thanos. What we definitely have here is "failure to communicate"

You go Big Ben!

re: #115 Mad Al-Jaffee

I don't think Butterfield is a funny name, but I'm a blues harmonica player. You kind of have to respect the name Butterfield if you play harp.

You must mean this guy. I'm not a blues fan, I'm afraid, so I have different associations.

re: #136 Land Shark

The worst thing is that President Zero and his gang of idiots don't understand how right on the money these comments of yours are. A truth that should be obvious to anyone paying any attention. Fortunately, the Israelis are not dumb and they can see the writing on the wall, Obama is no friend of Israel. And thankfully they have a leader who understands this and will not compromise on Israel's security.

I could listen to Netanyahu anytime he speaks. He masterfully uses the English language. And what a vocabulary. He also understands and uses idioms properly.

re: #19 Baier

Maybe Israel can take it down and have a crew following 10 feet behind putting it up again to create jobs Obama style.

Or put in unicorns to spear the enemy and rainbows to blind them.

Last update - 20:19 22/07/2009

UN Chief to Israel: Freeze natural settlement growth

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

OK when every other country and peoples on earth also pledge to stop fucking we will also. Until then up yours. Not sure I can be any more concise than that.

re: #128 lincolntf

I don't know abiout the "doing nothing" part. I'm sure that neither Bush nor McCain wanted Iran to have a nuclear weapon.
With Obama, I'm not so sure. It very much fits his "citizen of the world" ethic to have power like that distributed equally among brutal dictatorships and free Democracies.

I don;t think McCain would have ordered strikes in Iran. Perhaps I am wrong about that. Bush might have if he did not have Iraq and Afghanistan going and his popularity rating was not lower than the Bubonic Plague. Obama? He's a lost cause. He had his chance to stick it to the Mullahs and get some actual progress in with Iran, but decided to keep the Status Quo so his "negociations" could continue. UGH

re: #127 scottishbuzzsaw

re: #130 HoosierHoops

re: #134 LGoPs

Guess I might make a big entry today and show everyone how happy I am.
How are y'all?

re: #115 Mad Al-Jaffee

I don't think Butterfield is a funny name, but I'm a blues harmonica player. You kind of have to respect the name Butterfield if you play harp.

Butterfield!

re: #141 avanti

OT, there is a new Chrysler car deal being announced. They will match the governments $3500-$4500 cash rebate if you qualify, or just rebate $3500-$4500 if you don't. The dealer won't have details until midnight but you could get $9000 off a $20,000 car for example.
I have a beater 91 Ford PU, that gets 15 MPG, and if I buy a car with 20 MPG or better, that's 9K off as I read the deal.
The dealer claims the cheaper cars will sell quickly, so I'm off to shop before they sell out.

Socialist!
/

re: #147 doppelganglander

You must mean this guy. I'm not a blues fan, I'm afraid, so I have different associations.

That's who I'm talking about. I'm not a huge Butterfield fan, but I have a lot of respect for him as a musician and innovator.

Biden Reassures Ukraine and Georgia of U.S. Support

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Well, you now know Obama just threw the Ukraine and Georgia under the bus.

re: #141 avanti

OT, there is a new Chrysler car deal being announced. They will match the governments $3500-$4500 cash rebate if you qualify, or just rebate $3500-$4500 if you don't. The dealer won't have details until midnight but you could get $9000 off a $20,000 car for example.
I have a beater 91 Ford PU, that gets 15 MPG, and if I buy a car with 20 MPG or better, that's 9K off as I read the deal.
The dealer claims the cheaper cars will sell quickly, so I'm off to shop before they sell out.

Plus, I've read that they supposed give you whatever the scrap value is, on top of the $9k (the details are unclear, though). Ask your dealer.

Chrysler's move smells of desperation.

re: #141 avanti

It will be interesting to see how that works out for you. So far the program hasn't exactly gone gangbusters for sales of cars. In fact, GM is busy giving people the runaround when they're trying to buy cars, including the Camaro. Funny, but a company that is trying to improve its image and get people to buy its cars isn't showing itself to actually want to sell 'em.

re: #157 MJ

Biden Reassures Ukraine and Georgia of U.S. Support

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Well, you now know Obama just threw the Ukraine and Georgia under the bus.

Did he tell them to not travel and stay indoors yet?

re: #142 LGoPs

I'd love to see a series of commercials from the RNC showing California's crisis along the lines of the 'This is your brain...This is your brain on drugs' meme.

Heh...

"This is your state (pictures of pristine California mountain terrain)...
This is your state on Pelosi (illegal aliens filing out of California prisons)"

re: #150 Nevergiveup

Last update - 20:19 22/07/2009

UN Chief to Israel: Freeze natural settlement growth

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

OK when every other country and peoples on earth also pledge to stop fucking we will also. Until then up yours. Not sure I can be any more concise than that.

Very well put.
He shall shove it. is the least I can offer him as a piece of advice.

re: #118 Desert Dog

Sadly you may be right, there's no guarantee McCain or Bush wouldn't cave in on the issue. But I also think it's much more likely they would have stood up to Iran. I suppose that's one for the "What if" file.

You're right on with the cost thing, if those crazy nut jobs do use their nukes, everyone will wish we had invested in prevention. The consequences are horrific to think about, yet this is the reality we may face.

re: #152 callahan23

re: #130 HoosierHoops

re: #134 LGoPs

Guess I might make a big entry today and show everyone how happy I am.
How are y'all?

Smilin' since you got here...;>)

re: #151 Desert Dog

I don;t think McCain would have ordered strikes in Iran. Perhaps I am wrong about that. Bush might have if he did not have Iraq and Afghanistan going and his popularity rating was not lower than the Bubonic Plague. Obama? He's a lost cause. He had his chance to stick it to the Mullahs and get some actual progress in with Iran, but decided to keep the Status Quo so his "negociations" could continue. UGH

I think your point about Bush being beaten down by Iraq,Afghanistan, and the "unloyal" opposition is right on.

re: #141 avanti

OT, there is a new Chrysler car deal being announced. They will match the governments $3500-$4500 cash rebate if you qualify, or just rebate $3500-$4500 if you don't. The dealer won't have details until midnight but you could get $9000 off a $20,000 car for example.
I have a beater 91 Ford PU, that gets 15 MPG, and if I buy a car with 20 MPG or better, that's 9K off as I read the deal.
The dealer claims the cheaper cars will sell quickly, so I'm off to shop before they sell out.

Buy one of these

re: #118 Desert Dog

The sad thing is, McCain and/or Bush probably would have accepted it as well. Nobody was prepared to give the order to go after the Iranian nukes. The "cost" would be too high. But, once they do get the nukes and something happens. That "cost" will not seem like much, will it?

As the old Fram oil filter ads stated: we can either pay now...or pay later.

re: #161 eschew_obfuscation

Heh...

"This is your state (pictures of pristine California mountain terrain)...
This is your state on Pelosi (illegal aliens filing out of California prisons)"

Exactly!. I love it.

re: #157 MJ

Biden Reassures Ukraine and Georgia of U.S. Support

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Well, you now know Obama just threw the Ukraine and Georgia under the bus.

They can't be stupid enough to believe him?

re: #122 Kosh's Shadow

Yes they HAVE to act now. If they don't they will be accepting the inevitable. If they act there may be a chance to back Iran off for a few more years. This crisis seems bound to re-emerge though until the Arabs in the region stop targeting Israel. Millions of people in the world are becoming more and more at risk all so some tin despots can have a scapegoat for their depravity and incompetence.

Too bad the UN's worthless.

re: #147 doppelganglander

You must mean this guy. I'm not a blues fan, I'm afraid, so I have different associations.

Elvin Bishop was a physics major at Chicago? I would have never guessed that.

Good morning/afternoon/evening lizards!
Just turned Rush on, what is with the helium voices? Is it just obambi or is he zinging other libs with it?

re: #119 Kenneth

No. The Arab states initiated that war. Israel responded. Read Six Days of War by Michale Oren. He thoroughly debunks the lie that Israel was the aggressor.

Magnificent book. I especially like the photograph of Nasser and U Thant, with an eager, almost boyish Nasser saying, "My Generals tell me that if we invade, we will win, what do you think?", and U Thant caught in the moment of realizing that there may or may not be a war, but there will be no peace.

That and the description of the brilliant "breakfast" air raid. Oh, and the careful explications of the long timeline of pan-Arab planning and internal treachery, and the evolving US response.

Damn what a good book!

I wound up giving it to a Muslim co-worker of mine who I taught English with in Tokyo. Never heard from him again, but then we never worked together after that (it was kind of a farewell gift). I imagine there's a connection.

I should get another copy and re-read it.

But the picture of Nasser and Than is priceless--once you get the caption.

re: #159 lawhawk

It will be interesting to see how that works out for you. So far the program hasn't exactly gone gangbusters for sales of cars. In fact, GM is busy giving people the runaround when they're trying to buy cars, including the Camaro. Funny, but a company that is trying to improve its image and get people to buy its cars isn't showing itself to actually want to sell 'em.

Well considering the UAW is now in charge?

re: #167 Macker

As the old Fram oil filter ads stated: we can either pay now...or pay later.

The price might seem high now, but it will look pretty darn cheap once the mushroom clouds or nuclear blackmail start up.

re: #173 haakondahl

I need to read that.

re: #154 buzzsawmonkey

And no matter how much Chrysysler offers, I still won't buy from them. Same with Government Motors.

re: #152 callahan23

re: #130 HoosierHoops

re: #134 LGoPs

Guess I might make a big entry today and show everyone how happy I am.
How are y'all?

Doing great Callihan! I'm afraid to ask why you are so happy.. :)

re: #172 pingjockey

Good morning/afternoon/evening lizards!
Just turned Rush on, what is with the helium voices? Is it just obambi or is he zinging other libs with it?

He is speeding up the voices of Obama and the Democrats because they are speeding up his Agenda. A little smart-assed way of pointing out their rush to pass all of this crap.

I knew Bibi was a smart man...

Jindal: Obama’s Dishonesty about Health-Care Reform

"President Obama is repeating Clinton-era mistakes of the ’90s in trying to overhaul the health-care system, taking a “fundamentally dishonest approach to reform,” says Bobby Jindal, Louisiana’s Republican governor, in an op-ed in today’s WSJ.

Jindal faults the Clinton plan because it was “concocted in secret without the guiding hand of public consensus-building, and because it was a philosophical over-reach.”

In the Obama-led effort, he targets the “hollow” promise that Americans can keep their current health-care plans. He says this isn’t true because the Democrats’ goal is to get more people to join the public health plan that has been proposed in various bills, which would allow the government plan to set prices.

Another “myth” he sees is that government involvement won’t lower the quality of care. “For all of us who have seen the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s response to hurricanes, this contention is laughable on its face,” Jindal scoffs."

re: #171 Ward Cleaver

Elvin Bishop was a physics major at Chicago? I would have never guessed that.

yup.. He fooled around and fell in love (with Physics)

Since we're discussing Gaza and the terrorists, here's an interesting tidbit.

Someone put a hit on Mohammad Dahlan's family, injuring 50-60 people, including Dahlan's son, and now Hamas is out to go after the Salafists, while Fatah claims that it was Hamas who was behind the attack.

Gaza is still reeling from an explosion that took place at the wedding of Mohammad Dahlen's nephew late Tuesday night. As the groom prepared to take the stage a grenade was thrown at the crowd and several gunmen opened fire, wounding the groom and 51 others.

Hamas' Interior Ministry announced it had arrested three suspects in the case, and sent its security forces to surround a house in were additional suspects were hiding.

The suspects initially refused to come out, and have threatened to blow up the house. According to Hamas, the affair is part of a religious struggle by the operatives against what they view as "corrupt weddings." A respected sheikh is attempting to settle the differences between the parties involved.

Dahlen's affiliates have been subjected to threats by Hamas due to the political struggle between the organization and its rival, Fatah. Two years ago, Hamas accused Dahlen of attempting to assassinate their prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh, and in January 2007 Hamas operatives attempted to murder Dahlen's security guards.

re: #140 Nevergiveup

I very well could be. So far I like what I see from him. But I'm sure there's factions in Israel who oppose Bibi and may force him to compromise, my hope is that he'll stand strong.

re: #120 Kosh's Shadow

Obama committed a strategic blunder in making the settlement issue the centerpiece of his Israeli/Palestinian policy.

Obama’s opening gambit

Obama also sought to make an impression on the Arab world. Taking an unyielding, principled stand would, he reasoned, restore the credibility of the United States. According to mainstream Democratic analysis, George W. Bush had abandoned the role of “honest broker” in the conflict. Moving too close to Israel, he lost the trust of the Arabs. Armed with copious polling data, Obama’s advisers argued that the Palestinian issue was the sine qua non for redressing the balance. Strike a powerful note on the settlement issue, they told the President, and the Arabs will gravitate toward you in response.

Neither the Israelis nor the Arabs, however, have reacted according to this script. Netanyahu fought back with unexpected subtlety. ...In a step that the White House did not foresee, he quickly ran to capture the moral high ground in Israeli politics.

If Obama found Netanyahu difficult to coerce, he failed to charm the Israeli Left. Israeli pundits have noted the conspicuous absence of a pro-Obama coalition on the Israeli political scene—this, despite the fact that the Israeli Left detests the settlements as much as or more than Obama himself. Many Israelis simply do not understand how the country’s security dilemmas fit into Obama’s larger scheme.

The White House has sacrificed some credibility on the Israeli side, but it surely must have recouped its losses by garnering Arab goodwill. Think again. Today, the peace process is on hold until the settlement question is resolved. ...It’s worth asking whether Riyadh can really offset Hamas in a meaningful way, and whether, in its own view, it stands to gain from diving headlong into the midst of an intractable dispute that has persisted for more than sixty years. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a tar baby. No sober Arab leader could relish the idea of taking responsibility for developments in such an unpredictable and unmanageable arena—particularly now, when peace is hardly in the offing.

Obama has soured US-Israeli relations, failed to gain any credibility with Arab states, weakened Fatah, strengthened Hamas' rejectionist position and left Israel and US's Arab allies exposed to Iran's threat.

Heck of a job, Barry!

re: #183 lawhawk

The best thing Israel and the Jews have going for it is that the Arabs hate each other.

re: #163 Land Shark

Sadly you may be right, there's no guarantee McCain or Bush wouldn't cave in on the issue. But I also think it's much more likely they would have stood up to Iran. I suppose that's one for the "What if" file.

You're right on with the cost thing, if those crazy nut jobs do use their nukes, everyone will wish we had invested in prevention. The consequences are horrific to think about, yet this is the reality we may face.

I think this reluctance to take action is a paradox of free peoples. Free peoples rarely, if ever, go to war voluntarily. They only engage in it when all other options have failed. Unfortunately, in a world of mass destructive weapons the price for that inertia may be unacceptably high.

IIRC, Israel has NEVER attacked first. Even the Lebanon invasion was preceded by goddamn rocket attacks from the fucking terrorists. I would like to see Israel just tell the whole damn world to piis up a rope and fuck off and if we had a gov't with any balls we'd be standing next to them giving the UN the "you're no. 1 salute."

re: #20 lawhawk
So far, Bibi seems to be standing up pretty good to Bambi's pressure. I just hope Bibi keeps standing up. Surrendering to the One's pro-Muslim agenda is not in Israel's interest in the least.

Yesterday, someone made the suggestion that Israel needs to forge closer ties to India. I think that's a real good idea. Not the least because India understands what Islam is all about and what it's like to be on the wrong end of Islamic terror.

re: #138 Gang of One

You're welcome. I strongly recommend that book. A fascinating minute by minute history of the Six Day War.

re: #172 pingjockey

Rush has taken to speeding up the voices of Democrats since they are trying to "rush" (pun intended) the Obamacare bill through.

re: #159 lawhawk

It will be interesting to see how that works out for you. So far the program hasn't exactly gone gangbusters for sales of cars. In fact, GM is busy giving people the runaround when they're trying to buy cars, including the Camaro. Funny, but a company that is trying to improve its image and get people to buy its cars isn't showing itself to actually want to sell 'em.

The Camaro fan group "Camaro5" (for fifth-gen Camaro) has compiled and posted a list (it's kinda poorly written) of 70 (so far) problems/defects to look out for on the cars, based on owner input. This is the "New GM"?

re: #184 Land Shark

I very well could be. So far I like what I see from him. But I'm sure there's factions in Israel who oppose Bibi and may force him to compromise, my hope is that he'll stand strong.

He didn't last time he was Prime Minister. He folded like a cheap chair with Clinton at the Wy River Conference.

re: #154 buzzsawmonkey

I have always considered rebates an irritating scam. If they're willing to pay you to buy the damn thing, it's either overpriced or no good.

If it's no good, I don't want it anyway, and if it's overpriced lower the damn price, jerks, and you'll sell more.

Plus, we've already paid for it once.

re: #178 HoosierHoops

Doing great Callahan! I'm afraid to ask why you are so happy.. :)

I came into this room and saw a lot of friends after a usually stressful workday. Lightened up my mood coupled with my intend to being cheerful and a wonderful email received from a very dear friend.
I am delighted that today finds you good.
And no I am not stoned!
;-)

re: #183 lawhawk

It figures: when somebody finally does bomb a real "wedding party" it turns out it was one gang of Islamic terrorists attacking another gang of Islamic terrorists.

re: #148 midwestgak

I could listen to Netanyahu anytime he speaks. He masterfully uses the English language. And what a vocabulary. He also understands and uses idioms properly.

And, he can do it without a teleprompter.

re: #171 Ward Cleaver

Elvin Bishop was a physics major at Chicago? I would have never guessed that.

Brian May of Queen has a PhD in astrophysics. There are a lot of surprisingly smart musicians out there.

re: #183 lawhawk

Since we're discussing Gaza and the terrorists, here's an interesting tidbit.

Someone put a hit on Mohammad Dahlan's family, injuring 50-60 people, including Dahlan's son, and now Hamas is out to go after the Salafists, while Fatah claims that it was Hamas who was behind the attack.

It can't be easy to be the leader of Fatah in Gaza. I mean unless you can fly...

re: #185 Kenneth

Well put. That's because with President Zero it's all about him. He and his minions believed all he had to do was show up and his soaring hope 'n change talk, er, I mean, The Teleprompter's hope n' change talk would make the Israelis and Arabs swoon unto each others arms and sing "We Are The World" together. Reality trumps wishful thinking yet again.

Way OT:

A moment of silence, please, for the passing of the Taco Bell dog.

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Socialist!
/

I'm checking out the cars before the dealers raise the prices, but I forgot about the few hundred in scrap price. I figure if I can get 50% off a new car, I might take a chance.

re: #11 MandyManners

I hope moonbats' heads don't explode when they read this.

I'm OK with their heads exploding, really.

re: #196 callahan23

I came into this room and saw a lot of friends after a usually stressful workday. Lightened up my mood coupled with my intend to being cheerful and a wonderful email received from a very dear friend.
I am delighted that today finds you good.
And no I am not stoned!
;-)

Oh.. I just thought you just had sex..:)

re: #179 Desert Dog
Heh. It actually makes Fwank and the one easier to listen to!

re: #200 doppelganglander

Brian May of Queen has a PhD in astrophysics. There are a lot of surprisingly smart musicians out there.

Most of Pink Floyd met while they were architecture students.

re: #206 HoosierHoops

No such luck :-(

re: #203 Cygnus

Way OT:

A moment of silence, please, for the passing of the Taco Bell dog.

Oh man, what a bummer.

re: #141 avanti

OT, there is a new Chrysler car deal being announced. They will match the governments $3500-$4500 cash rebate if you qualify, or just rebate $3500-$4500 if you don't. The dealer won't have details until midnight but you could get $9000 off a $20,000 car for example.
I have a beater 91 Ford PU, that gets 15 MPG, and if I buy a car with 20 MPG or better, that's 9K off as I read the deal.
The dealer claims the cheaper cars will sell quickly, so I'm off to shop before they sell out.

That's not a government rebate your getting for your clunker trade-in. That's a rebate from taxpayers to customers of a particular car company.
Screw Chrysler and Screw GM.

Buy from Ford. You know, a company run by grown-ups.
Family Owned; Responsible Decisions.

re: #203 Cygnus

Way OT:

A moment of silence, please, for the passing of the Taco Bell dog.

I never thought those ads were effective because it made me associate Taco Bell with dog food.

re: #203 Cygnus

Way OT:

A moment of silence, please, for the passing of the Taco Bell dog.

Drop
The
Chalupa

re: #210 Ward Cleaver

And such a great humanitarian and pioneer for canine rights. On top of all that talent!

re: #200 doppelganglander

Brian May of Queen has a PhD in astrophysics. There are a lot of surprisingly smart musicians out there.

That I had heard before.

re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Those jokes always fall flat

You're sharp today.

re: #203 Cygnus

Way OT:

A moment of silence, please, for the passing of the Taco Bell dog.

I always think of that when my dogs look at me with the same look whenever I'm eating something.

re: #213 Mad Al-Jaffee

I never thought those ads were effective because it made me associate Taco Bell with dog food.

And you got a problem with dog food?

re: #208 Mad Al-Jaffee

Most of Pink Floyd met while they were architecture students.

Heh... when they started, they sounded like architecture students!

Later... WAY FRICKIN' COOL!

re: #54 Gang of One

IIRC, was not the first strike a preemptive one on Israel's part when she got the intelligence that the Arabs were minutes from launching their assault?

Nah. The Egyptians had already closed off a strait to Israeli shipping which constituted a full scale act of war. Read Michael Oren's The Six Day War, then laugh at how the stupid Arabs broke and ran like a bunch of scalded cats. The Israelis ended up with a heck of a lot more territory than they had planned for before the Arabs groveled enough to the Russians for the Russians to get the US to cajole Israel into declaring a ceasefire.

If I understood Oren properly, the Six Day War was the end result of Nasser trying to prove to Assad that he had the bigger dick.

re: #214 SasquatchOnSteroids

Drop
The
Chalupa

Mark Cuban had a promotion back then at Mavericks home games, where fans in the arena got a coupon for a free chalupa at Taco Bell, any time the Mavericks scored more than 100 points in a game. They gave away a lot of coupons back then.

re: #220 eschew_obfuscation

Heh... when they started, they sounded like architecture students!

Later... WAY FRICKIN' COOL!

Let me rephrase that...when they started, they sounded like first-year bagpipe students with bad reeds

re: #200 doppelganglander

Asteroid 52665 Brianmay was named in his honour on 18 June 2008.

re: #219 Nevergiveup

Yeah. It's those refried beans. They already look like canned dogfood so it's a small leap for the imagination.

The Obama administration's position on the settlements is troubling enough, it would really strain relations if they start pressuring Israel to tear down the wall.

re: #226 Rancher

The Obama administration's position on the settlements is troubling enough, it would really strain relations if they start pressuring Israel to tear down the wall.

I can't help it...I am picturing Obama standing in front of a checkpoint, declaiming, "Mr. Netanyahu, tear down this wall!!"

re: #194 Nevergiveup

He didn't last time he was Prime Minister. He folded like a cheap chair with Clinton at the Wy River Conference.

I don't think he'll make that mistake again.

re: #219 Nevergiveup

And you got a problem with dog food?

Get used to it.

OT...Folks here who have been in the writing/editing biz, such as myself, might find this piece from Vanity Fair of interest:

Palin’s Resignation Speech: The Edited Version

re: #226 Rancher

The Obama administration's position on the settlements is troubling enough, it would really strain relations if they start pressuring Israel to tear down the wall.

Oh God, I can see it now: 0bama standing on a huge stage in the West Bank, in front of the barrier, giving a speech, and he says, "Mr. Netanyahu, tear.down.this.wall!"

re: #231 Ward Cleaver

Oh God, I can see it now: 0bama standing on a huge stage in the West Bank, in front of the barrier, giving a speech, and he says, "Mr. Netanyahu, tear.down.this.wall!"

Beat you to it

re: #232 dentate

Beat you to it

Damn!

re: #228 haakondahl

I don't think he'll make that mistake again.

I hope your correct, but from my experience a tiger doesn't change it's stripes.

re: #229 haakondahl

Get used to it.

well with 3 cats, I prefer cat food

re: #224 Kenneth

Asteroid 52665 Brianmay was named in his honour on 18 June 2008.

Space rock!

re: #221 samsgran1948

If I understood Oren properly, the Six Day War was the end result of Nasser trying to prove to Assad that he had the bigger dick.

And he was a bigger Dick.

re: #236 Kosh's Shadow
Up here in the eastern half of Wa state some fool just killed a soundman who'd worked for Nirvana, BB king and a buncha other folks. The poor guy put his key into the wrong hotel room door and the medieval moron inside started blasting away through the door and killed him. Can't find a linky and don't have yesterdays paper with his name! Damn it.

re: #11 MandyManners

Like exploding moonbat heads is a bad thing? It's one of my favorite hobbies, seeing if I can make a moonbat's head explode. Why, all I have to say is "well, I was listening to Rush today and... KABOOM!!! Oh crap, anybody got a Handy wipe? I got moonbat brains all over my nice new shirt!"

Sometimes it just way too easy. ;-)

By historical standards, Israel would have been perfectly justified in expelling the indigenous population of the West Bank in 1967, and I have long been awestruck by the fact that they never even seem to have considered doing it.

Ok everyone !

Sing along !

We are the world..we are the children

that makes it much better now, doesn't it !

re: #119 Kenneth

No. The Arab states initiated that war. Israel responded. Read Six Days of War by Michale Oren. He thoroughly debunks the lie that Israel was the aggressor.

Israel the aggressor? Middle of May 1967. The Egyptians demanded that the United Nations withdraw all their troops which were stationed between Egypt and Israel. India packed up and left before you could even say "security arrangements". The rest of the UN quickly followed. For the three weeks after Egypt demanded the UN withdraw their border troops Nassar's name constantly dominated the news because of his continual threats to eliminate Israel. Take a look at the newspapers from those three weeks. You'll see the taunts and read of the useless United Nations meetings. I think The United States even had a security arrangement with Israel in case the Egyptians denied Israel shipping access to the Straits of Tiran (Israel and Egypt had fought a war in 1956 after Egypt denied Israel shipping access to the Straits of Tiran. ) The world knew war was imminent. One of the several lgf experts in this area - expert? It ain't me you're looking for - could tell more and accurately.

re: #240 MikeySDCA

By historical standards, Israel would have been perfectly justified in expelling the indigenous population of the West Bank in 1967, and I have long been awestruck by the fact that they never even seem to have considered doing it.

That reminds me: the story was that Moshe Dayan contemplated blowing up the Temple Mount after Israel retook the old city of Jerusalem. Al Aqsa Mosque, no more. Temple Mount, no more. The walls that Yeshke was supposed to walk through, no more. No reason for an war anymore. In the end, Dayan did not blow up the site. Furthermore, Israel turned over administration of the Temple Mount area to the Arabs as a sign of cooperation and R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

re: #242 Stuart Leviton

That was the point I was trying to make. I hope it was apparent.

So I jumped on the fence and yelled at the house,
'Hey! What gives you the right?'
'To put up a fence to keep me out or to keep mother nature in'
If Allah wuz here
he'd tell it to your face
'Man, you're some kind of sinner'

/Five Man Palestinian Band

One thing that Netanyahu should promote is the role that Defensive Shield played in eliminating the terrorist threat. From 1995 until 2000 as Israel withdrew from territory, Arafat built up a Fatah terror infrastucture and allowed Hamas and other terror organizations to build their infrastructure's in Judea and Samaria. Defensive Shield destroyed much of this infrastructure. The means for committing terror were reduced.

Even as the New York Times acknowledges that the economic situation in areas under the PA's control is improving, it fails to acknowledge that this wouldn't be possible if Israel had not defeated the terrorists.

The world is slow to acknowledge that the security fence makes Palestinian economic development possible. It is even slower to acknowledge that Israelis using force actually helped to bring peace.

re: #20 lawhawk

Now, the Obama Administration is pressuring Israel to remove the security fence, which has done quite well to prevent Palestinian terrorism. They have it bass-ackward.

If it's true that the admin wants Israel to remove the fence, then it's ironic because some of the propagandists in Fatah used to argue against the fence while others said that if it followed the green line they'd have no problem with it.

Can we trade Obama for Netanyahu? Prettty please?

re: #248 SFGoth

What did Israel do to you?

The west bank is now enjoying relative prosperity. See: [Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

I think it is because of the fence: Now that the so-called leaders cannot send out terrorists, the people are relatively free to engage in business.

Not only does the wall protect Israelis, but it may well a great boon for the Palestinian economy.

re: #54 Gang of One

Only if you don't consider an act of war an attack.
I have actually heard people who insist that "Israel attacked first" because Israel actually drew blood first. But a blockade is an act of war - Israel did not start any war.