You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it’s going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it’s always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt.
— Robert M. Pirsig
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Syrah Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:19:15pm |
Doubt is the power that holds our universes together.
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Sharmuta Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:19:52pm |
You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it’s going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it’s always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt.
Eloquently put.
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itellu3times Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:20:54pm |
disagree with mr. pirsig, what you shout about is what *other* people might not believe.
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freetoken Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:21:23pm |
re: #3 sngnsgt
Having missed the live performance, I'm viewing (with one eye) the presser in another window.
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sngnsgt Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:22:09pm |
re: #6 freetoken
Having missed the live performance, I'm viewing (with one eye) the presser in another window.
That'll put you to sleep.
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Syrah Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:22:22pm |
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Sharmuta Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:22:42pm |
re: #1 Syrah
Perhaps it is a lack of doubt on the part of the constrained vision that makes it pale in comparison to the excitement fanaticism can bring?
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blackpajamas Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:23:51pm |
* Preparing to carpet blog, set phasers on tingle *
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freetoken Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:24:28pm |
re: #5 itellu3times
Maybe some of these other quotes attributed to Mr. Pirsig you will find more amenable?
Metaphysics is a restaurant where they give you a thirty thousand page menu, and no food.
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The only Zen you can find on the tops of mountains is the Zen you bring up there.
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We keep passing unseen through little moments of other people's lives.
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blackpajamas Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:24:45pm |
What do doctors call Obozo's health plan?
Bait and Stitch.
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freetoken Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:25:16pm |
re: #8 sngnsgt
That'll put you to sleep.
I just ate half a pint of B&J Fudge Brownie ice cream... I will be awake for a while.
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blackpajamas Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:25:40pm |
How many politicians does it take to screw in a light-bulb?
None. They screw in your wallet, and on your operating table.
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sngnsgt Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:26:41pm |
re: #16 freetoken
I just ate half a pint of B&J Fudge Brownie ice cream... I will be awake for a while.
Well worth staying up for anyway! ;-)
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blackpajamas Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:27:47pm |
The New Deal : Redistribution of Wealth
Obozocare : Redistribution of Health
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blackpajamas Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:30:52pm |
Did you hear Ted Kennedy is going to combine "Cash for clunkers" with the health plan?
Every eligible tax-pay shall receive a government sponsored Oldsmoburial service, in the body of water of your choice.
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sngnsgt Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:31:01pm |
re: #16 freetoken
I just ate half a pint of B&J Fudge Brownie ice cream... I will be awake for a while.
That sounds good, I have the bottom of a ½ gallon of Breyers Fudge Brownie double-churn I need to get rid of. ;-)
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itellu3times Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:31:19pm |
re: #13 freetoken
Maybe some of these other quotes attributed to Mr. Pirsig you will find more amenable?
I read the books.
The one thing I found memorable is his description of the American personality as a blend of European and American Indian, both stoic and wild. Might even be true.
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capitalist piglet Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:31:31pm |
So it sounds like Obama just flat out lied about the details of the Cambridge incident. (I didn't see the P/C...just heard about it.)
I would hate to be one of those cops right now. That can't feel good, to have the POTUS do something like that.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:32:09pm |
Oh my!
French artillery has set fire to the Marseille suburbs.
No, I am not making this up.
Suburbs in flames after military exercise
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itellu3times Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:32:32pm |
re: #20 blackpajamas
The New Deal : Redistribution of Wealth
Obozocare : Redistribution of Health
I have a pain in my hussein.
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blackpajamas Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:33:28pm |
With respect to:
Is anyone going to ask him about his campaign promise that his health care plan would save every American about $2500 a year in health care costs?
You've heard of a memory hole, right? It turns out that Liberal social-scientists under the Universal wisdom and tutelage of Obozo himself, have created the memory black hole.
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BatGuano Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:34:54pm |
re: #28 Shiplord Kirel
Can't the Germans take their weapons away from them? They've done it before.
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Gus Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:34:56pm |
re: #30 Sharmuta
AKA- Darwinism. ;)
Yep, some would see it that way. Of course Darwinism shouldn't be dogmatic since it is subject to changes in science.
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astronmr20 Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:36:49pm |
I'd like to hope that I am not perceived as having ODS.
However, I just can't listen to him anymore. Cannot.
Is that bad?
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blackpajamas Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:36:56pm |
Did Obozo forgot the campaign promise to not tax the middle class?
Translated into Latin, Obozo means Oblivio -- forgetfulness, oblivion.
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Bob Dillon Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:37:16pm |
re: #25 capitalist piglet
So it sounds like Obama just flat out lied about the details of the Cambridge incident. (I didn't see the P/C...just heard about it.)
I would hate to be one of those cops right now. That can't feel good, to have the POTUS do something like that.
He really showed his ass on that one. What a putz!
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Sharmuta Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:37:31pm |
re: #34 Gus 802
Yep, some would see it that way. Of course Darwinism shouldn't be dogmatic since it is subject to changes in science.
Darwinism doesn't change, it only invents more lies! ///
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Gus Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:37:34pm |
re: #28 Shiplord Kirel
Oh my!
French artillery has set fire to the Marseille suburbs.
No, I am not making this up.
Suburbs in flames after military exercise
Merde!
That image looks oddly enough like an American suburb.
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blackpajamas Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:38:23pm |
re: #29 itellu3times
I have a pain in my hussein.
Your Honor, I didn't know the Brazillian girl was only 16! I was temporarily Hussein at the time ...
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Ben G. Hazi Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:39:33pm |
re: #40 blackpajamas
Your Honor, I didn't know the Brazillian girl was only 16! I was temporarily Hussein at the time ...
Hussein what President Obama said about the cops in the Cambridge incident? Pisses me off...
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Gus Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:39:48pm |
re: #38 Sharmuta
Darwinism doesn't change, it only invents more lies! ///
Epicurean lies!
//Channeling Klinghoffer
//
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:39:54pm |
re: #22 blackpajamas
Did you hear Ted Kennedy is going to combine "Cash for clunkers" with the health plan?
Every eligible tax-pay shall receive a government sponsored Oldsmoburial service, in the body of water of your choice.
""Oldsmoburial", not your father's burial service.""
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Truck Monkey Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:40:21pm |
re: #35 astronmr20
I'd like to hope that I am not perceived as having ODS.
However, I just can't listen to him anymore. Cannot.
Is that bad?
No. It's healthy.
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freetoken Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:41:39pm |
re: #35 astronmr20
However, I just can't listen to him anymore. Cannot.Is that bad?
You just need more chocolate.
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Bob Dillon Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:42:16pm |
re: #41 talon_262
Hussein what President Obama said about the cops in the Cambridge incident? Pisses me off...
Never - NEVER - diss cops. Or others who have their asses on the line for you.
And this guy is intelligent?
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Bob Dillon Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:43:11pm |
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Ben G. Hazi Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:43:53pm |
re: #46 Bobibutu
Never - NEVER - diss cops. Or others who have their asses on the line for you.
And this guy is intelligent?
Makes me think of what's going through the minds of his Secret Service detail...poor bastards having to put up with a self-aggrandizing egomaniac.
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poteen Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:43:55pm |
Somewhat on point.
The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs, and explosions, and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, ideas, prejudices, to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy. A thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all it's own for the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is, is that these things can not be confined to the Twilight Zone.”
Rod Serling
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blackpajamas Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:44:10pm |
CITIZEN, Obozo wants you!
To pay for:
* Every prostitute's abortion habit.
* Every illegal alien with an anchor-baby belly ache.
* Every heroin junkie's prescription smack precondition.
* Every hypochondriac with a hang-nail.
* Every climate change related injury. (Repetitive motion syndrome in front of Al Gore posters).
* Every student mentally traumatized by their teacher's hate speech: "Try harder, Timmy."
* Every teenager mentally and physically scarred because their body-image perception (aka latest boob job) does not stack up against their peers to the degree consistent with the lifestyle to which they believe themselves entitled.
* Every tummy-tuck, stomach-staple, and designer nutrient enema.
* Every obsessive-compulsive morning-after pill-popper's permanent uterine damage.
* Every indigent who beats their spouse for free trauma care and disability. Ad: "Did your spouse break their arm, and is only eligible for Level-D gov't medical help? Join Level-A by the gentle application of blunt force cranial trauma!".
* Every couch potato's eye strain injuries from looking for one of Obozo's 3 million created or saved jobs.
* Every neighbor who receives your donated kidneys.
* Every Jihadist splodin' for Allah on American soil.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:44:29pm |
re: #44 Truck Monkey
No. It's healthy.
You're darn right it's healthy! I'm sure I had elevated blood pressure just from listening to that address. Maybe that's part of the plan...piss us old folks off so we bite the dust right in front of our televisions.
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blackpajamas Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:46:42pm |
What's the difference between Obozo Care for your children and Michael Jackson?
Barney Frank doesn't want to touch Michael Jackson's no-no spot.
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freetoken Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:46:50pm |
Don't like the President's tie for this presser. Yes, red is the power color, but that shade of red is just not him.
If he is going to wear a white shirt with a black suitcoat, recommend he stays with gold tie.
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Bob Dillon Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:47:20pm |
re: #48 talon_262
Makes me think of what's going through the minds of his Secret Service detail...poor bastards having to put up with a self-aggrandizing egomaniac.
They are very, very, vetted pros.
One mission - no other thots.
And your point is well taken.
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astronmr20 Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:49:14pm |
I honestly don't understand how the president should even have an official position on a local issue like that, which is still not even completely known about.
WTF?
Who asked him a question about it?
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astronmr20 Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:50:23pm |
re: #53 freetoken
Don't like the President's tie for this presser. Yes, red is the power color, but that shade of red is just not him.
If he is going to wear a white shirt with a black suitcoat, recommend he stays with gold tie.
I would recommend he stay on vacation, but that's just me.
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blackpajamas Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:51:17pm |
Battle Him for the Republic (Electorally)
Mine eyes have seen the fury of the cramming of the Bill:
He is flushing out good doctors where our children's health is stored;
He hath greased the palms of Congress with his Priapism for Pork:
His polls go tumbling down.
Gory, gory, un-trained doctors!
Gory, gory, un-trained doctors!
Gory, gory, un-trained doctors!
His care will touch your young.
You have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred lobby's camps,
They have builded Him an altar in the Congress fever swamps;
You can read His righteous sentence by Leftist dim and flaring blogs:
His name will rival mud.
Gory, gory, un-trained doctors!
Gory, gory, un-trained doctors!
Gory, gory, un-trained doctors!
His hope will change your drugs.
Have your edited your testament and your latest living will:
To decide which of your kidneys that his government will steal;
Let his minions scream for it to go to illegals,
Since it's no longer yours.
Gory, gory, un-trained doctors!
Gory, gory, un-trained doctors!
Gory, gory, un-trained doctors!
You'd better not get sick.
He has sounded forth the trumpet that he'll never shrink your tax;
He is bending over the barrel head to scratch the Baboon's backs:
Oh, be swift, our boots, to answer Them! be jubilant, our feet!
Set kicking range for Mars.
Refrain (Seriously, they need to refrain.)
//g'nite
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:52:28pm |
re: #39 Gus 802
Merde!
That image looks oddly enough like an American suburb.
Not exactly a whiff of grapeshot but it does appear to have cleared the streets. I don't think Napoleon would be pleased though.
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Gus Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:52:28pm |
re: #51 Pvt Bin Jammin
You're darn right it's healthy! I'm sure I had elevated blood pressure just from listening to that address. Maybe that's part of the plan...piss us old folks off so we bite the dust right in front of our televisions.
I didn't listen to the address since I already assume what will be said. I heard about a few sound bytes that he said: the cops were stupid; it's in the stars; and something about a tonsillectomy.
Honestly, I stopped listening to most politicians since the second term of the Clinton presidency. I got tired of the methodical pandering, promises, and talk of spending over the years.
The last politician I heard that I found compelling was a Jack Kemp interview. Ideologically I found Thomas Sowell to be the most interesting whom I've watched on NRO TV.
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capitalist piglet Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:53:17pm |
re: #55 astronmr20
I honestly don't understand how the president should even have an official position on a local issue like that, which is still not even completely known about.
WTF?
Who asked him a question about it?
He should have shut his mouth after he said that he was a friend of Gates', and he was biased.
Those poor cops.
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Ben G. Hazi Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:55:48pm |
re: #54 Bobibutu
They are very, very, vetted pros.
One mission - no other thots.
And your point is well taken.
Don't misunderstand me...the Secret Service, especially the agents on the presidential and vice-presidential protection details, are the cream of the crop, the best of the best...they know what they're there for and do an excellent job. My thought was that I'm sure that Dear Leader's pontification on the Cambridge incident and his proclamation that the police had "acted stupidly" probably has more than a few agents' blood boiling at the libel of their fellow law enforcement officers.
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Bob Dillon Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:55:51pm |
re: #56 astronmr20
I would recommend he stay on vacation, but that's just me.
If his handlers had it right his tie would mostly be a maroon with a blue or grey suit.
But what do I know? Just subtle influence.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:56:10pm |
re: #59 Gus 802
I missed the part about the cops, too, had to get a recap from the lizards. I probably would have "croaked" if I'd heard that at the time. Our daughter used to be a cop. He just makes me sick. I should know better than to listen.
As for Thomas Sowell, I love him and have read him for years.
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Sharmuta Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:58:34pm |
re: #59 Gus 802
Did you know that A Conflict of Visions is his favorite book he wrote?
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Targetpractice Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:00:20am |
What's sad was that this presser was supposed to help bring the nervous Blue Dog Dems back on the Health Care "Reform" bandwagon. Instead, it probably did more damage to the perception that this man knows what he's talking about than anything else. Last weekend, he said that if the Republicans wanted him to take responsibility for the economy, his response was "give it to me." Not even a week later, he's already back to whining about how he "inherited" this horrible economy and how the Republicans did nothing but screw things up.
And yet, this is the amazing orator who the Left said was so much of an "improvement" over Bush? I'd take an hour's worth of Bush-isms over these meandering non-answers.
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:00:59am |
re: #64 Sharmuta
Did you know that A Conflict of Visions is his favorite book he wrote?
I've been hearing about it and might look into reading it. I'm a reader but have tended to read almost exclusively first hand accounts of WWII servicemen. Right now I'm kind of broke but will look into it in the future.
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SteveC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:01:06am |
re: #57 blackpajamas
Gory, gory, un-trained doctors!
Gory, gory, un-trained doctors!
Gory, gory, un-trained doctors!
His care will touch your young.
Op - Ed in my local paper by the head of the state pharmaceutical association. He believes that pharmacists can help take the pressure off doctors and save money by taking over the management of Chronic Illnesses and making sure the patients medicinal needs are met. Win-Win for everyone.
Like hell. You touch me, you got to have MD and ACC after your name... and that stands for Medical Doctor and American College of Cardiology, not Maryland and Atlantic Coast Conference.
/Duke Sucks!
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:02:48am |
re: #66 Gus 802
I'm pretty sure you'll hear about it again.
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Bob Dillon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:03:17am |
re: #61 talon_262
RGR - one of my best friends is now there. We haven't communicated for several years.
Last comm was that his info was restricted to inside info provided and had to cut off everything outside.
His personal thots?
Man - If I were there I'd be smokin'.
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:03:44am |
re: #68 Sharmuta
I'm pretty sure you'll hear about it again.
I'm sure I will. I see it's only 12.89. I could probably pick that up after I get through this recent low.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:04:37am |
re: #67 SteveC
Op - Ed in my local paper by the head of the state pharmaceutical association. He believes that pharmacists can help take the pressure off doctors and save money by taking over the management of Chronic Illnesses and making sure the patients medicinal needs are met. Win-Win for everyone.
Like hell. You touch me, you got to have MD and ACC after your name... and that stands for Medical Doctor and American College of Cardiology, not Maryland and Atlantic Coast Conference.
/Duke Sucks!
Hell, at this rate we might as well just get on the "medical marijuana" program and call it a day. "Opium dens" anyone?
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SteveC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:05:30am |
re: #72 Pvt Bin Jammin
Hell, at this rate we might as well just get on the "medical marijuana" program and call it a day. "Opium dens" anyone?
Don't bogart that joint, Arnald!
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:06:45am |
re: #73 SteveC
Don't bogart that joint, Arnald!
"Like wow man look at my big knife. Could you imagine what big chunk of hash I could cut with this knife?"
//
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:07:04am |
re: #73 SteveC
Don't bogart that joint, Arnald!
LOL In Pasadena they have a school that's opened up to teach folks how to run a medical marijuana dispensary. I kid you not.
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:07:41am |
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SteveC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:07:46am |
re: #75 Pvt Bin Jammin
LOL In Pasadena they have a school that's opened up to teach folks how to run a medical marijuana dispensary. I kid you not.
School for Friends with Weed?
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yochanan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:08:03am |
re: #40 blackpajamas
Your Honor, I didn't know the Brazillian girl was only 16! I was temporarily Hussein at the time ...
are you sure the brazillian girl was a girl?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:09:05am |
re: #77 SteveC
School for Friends with Weed?
Indeed. Don't know if the article is still attainable but it was in the Pasadena Star News a few months back. I posted it here on LGF.
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SteveC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:11:01am |
re: #78 yochanan
are you sure the brazillian girl was a girl?
Well I'm not dumb
but I can't understand
why she walked like a woman
and talked like a man
oh my Lola
la la la la Lola
la la la la Lola
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freetoken Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:13:25am |
Too much detail... especially about items that may be changed by the time any bill passes both the House and Senate.
My take away from the presser... The President stepped on his crank by droning on about this and that detail, rather than sell the big idea to the public.
Many Americans believe they can get something for nothing (e.g., the huge gambling industry, especially state lotteries). The universe however tends to not work that way.
Quality items almost always cost more than crappy items... suggest that is true of "healthcare". Yes, costs are region dependent and one might find a healthcare provider who is outstanding yet less costly than another... but, the idea of Quality-vs-Quantity often holds true in most aspects of life, I have found.
As with the Energy Problem, leadership in dealing with Healthcare in America means telling Americans the painful truth, and encouraging us to face it and hopefully rise above it.
Many Presidents have failed to provide leadership on many problems.
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SteveC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:14:34am |
re: #80 Iron Fist
A lot of my health care right now is in the hands of Nurse-Practitioners rather than doctors directly. They manage my prescriptions (some times well, sometimes poorly. I had a pretty serious incident with blood pressure medications last week), which is a lot of what medicine today is all about.
My Cardio's N-P is at the top of her game; if it's not a regular appointment I usually deal with her rather than the doc. But she's a real RN doing a N-P job because medication is so critical with Heart Defects.
| 84 |
Bob Dillon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:16:07am |
re: #83 SteveC
My Cardio's N-P is at the top of her game; if it's not a regular appointment I usually deal with her rather than the doc. But she's a real RN doing a N-P job because medication is so critical with Heart Defects.
RN's rule - Doc's are behind the curve.
| 85 |
SteveC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:16:37am |
re: #82 freetoken
My take away from the presser... The President stepped on his crank by droning on about this and that detail, rather than sell the big idea to the public.
Oh, my. I am so glad he didn't literally have a crank step, that don't need to be on TV. Every male in America would have winced.
| 86 |
Cheechako Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:18:28am |
re: #83 SteveC
My Cardio's N-P is at the top of her game; if it's not a regular appointment I usually deal with her rather than the doc. But she's a real RN doing a N-P job because medication is so critical with Heart Defects.
NP's are RN's with a Masters Degree which included several years of additional training.
| 87 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:19:03am |
Nite, lizards, it's time to get some sleep. Take care, all.
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sagehen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:19:59am |
re: #49 poteen
Somewhat on point.
The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs, and explosions, and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, ideas, prejudices, to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy. A thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all it's own for the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is, is that these things can not be confined to the Twilight Zone.”
Rod Serling
Is that from the Maple Street episode?
| 89 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:20:29am |
CNN's homepage is running with the Cambridge PD arresting the Harvard prof story with several ancillary articles on how rough it still is to be a race-baiting academic black man in this horrible nation called America...including 0bama's 'stupid' comment.
| 90 |
Bob Dillon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:20:30am |
re: #85 SteveC
Oh, my. I am so glad he didn't literally have a crank step, that don't need to be on TV. Every male in America would have winced.
This guy is the biggest Turkey we have ever had - hang on - it's gonna be a rough ride.
Seniors - hang on tight!
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SteveC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:20:50am |
re: #86 Cheechako
NP's are RN's with a Masters Degree which included several years of additional training.
REALLY???
Damn, learn something new every day. The rules must be relaxed in my neck of the woods, I have had several N-P's dumber than 3 or 4 posts.
| 92 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:22:17am |
I can see everybody who downdinged eneri so far- for annefrance, it gets cut off somewhere around the 'G's...
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:22:37am |
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Cheechako Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:22:40am |
re: #91 SteveC
REALLY???
Damn, learn something new every day. The rules must be relaxed in my neck of the woods, I have had several N-P's dumber than 3 or 4 posts.
Yes. My wife is a retired RN. Several of her nursing friends went on to become NP's.
| 95 |
Bob Dillon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:24:03am |
Nite all. I'm down and out. Even with a nap this afternoon.
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SteveC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:24:24am |
re: #90 Bobibutu
This guy is the biggest Turkey we have ever had - hang on - it's gonna be a rough ride.
Seniors - hang on tight!
I tell my parents to sit up and pay attention, the AARP is NOT on their side. Thankfully, they have their head in the game.
A friend of mine was choosing a Grad School and had it down to East Coast or West Coast. I told her just say no to California, that place is going belly up before you finish the first year. She told me she was an adult and could pick her own damn school.
Her scholarship just fell through. Welcome to California.
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SteveC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:25:37am |
re: #94 Cheechako
Yes. My wife is a retired RN. Several of her nursing friends went on to become NP's.
Then I am just going to have to do some rethinking. Seriously - thanks, I did not know that!
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Bob Dillon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:25:41am |
re: #96 Iron Fist
We are only six months into his first four year term. It is going to be a long ride.
RGR - Lord help us all.
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SteveC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:26:51am |
re: #96 Iron Fist
We are only six months into his first four year term. It is going to be a long ride.
Can I get off here? I think I missed my exit!
| 101 |
Bob Dillon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:28:14am |
re: #97 SteveC
AARP was a good gig when they first started - they are pimps now. Let the buyer beware on anything the recommend.
| 102 |
Syrah Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:28:45am |
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Cheechako Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:29:20am |
re: #98 SteveC
Then I am just going to have to do some rethinking. Seriously - thanks, I did not know that!
Go ahead and ask your NP when and where they trained. Most like to be recognized for the extra training they accomplished.
| 104 |
Syrah Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:33:02am |
re: #10 Sharmuta
Perhaps it is a lack of doubt on the part of the constrained vision that makes it pale in comparison to the excitement fanaticism can bring?
The constrained vision is defiantly the less exciting of the two. The constrained have to have faith that the process is where justice can be found. It is a slow thing to have to wait for. It can't be rushed or hurried in anyway least an unconstrained desire for a specific result corrupts the process.
| 107 |
Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:41:33am |
beatles - help! - you've got to hide your love away
I remember having a crush on Eleanor Bron in the movie Help.
| 108 |
redc1c4 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:44:46am |
re: #91 SteveC
REALLY???
Damn, learn something new every day. The rules must be relaxed in my neck of the woods, I have had several N-P's dumber than 3 or 4 posts.
you can attend a shit pot of schooling and still be an idiot...
the two are, unfortunately, not mutually exclusive.
| 109 |
Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:47:21am |
Apologies to Gladiator:
CommodusObama: I [uh...uh...uh...] think I understand my own people.Gracchus: Then perhaps Caesar will be so good as to teach us, out of his own extensive experience?
CommodusObama: I call it love, [uh..uh..er...] Gracchus. The people [uh...uh...] are my children, [uh...uh...] I am their father. I shall hold them to my [er...uh...uh...] bosom and embrace them tightly...Gracchus: Have you ever embraced someone dying of plague, sire?
OBAMACARE NOW!
///
| 110 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:48:52am |
Comment over at the Boston Herald site regarding the whole Prof. Gates/Cambridge PD fiasco.
What delicious irony that the Messiah directed criticism towards the peoples republic of Cambridge. Wonder how many tofu burgers curdeled on the spot.
Posted 2 hours ago by enuff
| 112 |
redc1c4 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:50:04am |
re: #67 SteveC
Op - Ed in my local paper by the head of the state pharmaceutical association. He believes that pharmacists can help take the pressure off doctors and save money by taking over the management of Chronic Illnesses and making sure the patients medicinal needs are met. Win-Win for everyone.
Like hell. You touch me, you got to have MD and ACC after your name... and that stands for Medical Doctor and American College of Cardiology, not Maryland and Atlantic Coast Conference.
/Duke Sucks!
sorry, but there is no reason that a properly trained pharmacist can't do the routine overwatch of a stable patient with a chronic illness, especially since said patients have to come see the pharmacist to get more meds, but routinely avoid the doctor's office like the plague.
operative words there are routine and stable. it's called teamw*rk.
| 113 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:52:09am |
re: #111 Cheechako
G'nite, cheecha...*squinting*...ko
| 114 |
redc1c4 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:53:00am |
re: #84 Bobibutu
RN's rule - Doc's are behind the curve.
competency is were you find it, and the letters before and after the name often have little to do with it.
/experience
| 115 |
Syrah Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:55:24am |
Goodnight lizards.
We are in for interesting times over the next 4 to 8 years.
Sleep is a weapon.
| 117 |
SteveC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:59:05am |
innnsomnia... blue pill or red pill maybe I picked the wrong pill.
I'm going to go inspect my eyelids for cracks. Ya'll clean your scales before you head to bed!
| 118 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:07:19am |
Well...it's not like the Fraternal Order of Police ever endorsed 0bama in the first place. That's one union's endorsement he didn't concern himself with.
| 119 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:17:32am |
Well I can't be blamed for killing this thread, cause I just got here.
Although, it could have expired in anticipation of my arrival.
| 120 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:18:49am |
re: #119 BatGuano
It knew you were coming and took the easy way out, BG.
/
| 121 |
freetoken Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:20:28am |
re: #120 Fenway_Nation
It knew you were coming and took the easy way out, BG.
/
Precognition... Noetics is several floors downstairs.
| 122 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:22:35am |
So it this the official LNLT?
/Late Night Lurker Thread
| 123 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:25:15am |
Here's a question for the LGF brain trust: has anyone ever heard of a Chilean white wine called Vino Pipeño? I'm wondering what it would be similar to that would be more readily available in the Midwest. Is it dry? Sweet? Would I substitute a Riesling or a Chardonnay for it? Anyone even heard of it?
| 124 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:27:45am |
I had to work tonight and could not participate fully. But there was much good stuff this evening I could not add anything substantial to the discussion: only an upding or two.
| 126 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:30:59am |
What ridiculous things did that MFer say tonight?
| 127 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:33:03am |
re: #124 BatGuano
I missed 0bama's sales pitch (what was he selling again? Timeshares? Tupperware?) and the subsequent reaction last night- just that he called the cops in Cambridge, MA 'stupid', according to CNN.
| 128 |
littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:33:52am |
re: #126 TheMatrix31
I didn't watch.
/haven't been able to watch him ever since he was elected...
But since his lips were moving I'm 100% sure that he lied.
| 129 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:38:21am |
re: #127 Fenway_Nation
I missed 0bama's sales pitch (what was he selling again? Timeshares? Tupperware?) and the subsequent reaction last night- just that he called the cops in Cambridge, MA 'stupid', according to CNN.
He was throwing around astronomical dollar figures like a juggler, pretending he knew what they meant. He did call the Cambridge police "stupid" and then went into a rant on racism by law enforcement, i.e, blacks and Hispanics are pulled over by the police in disproportionate numbers. Typical leftist agitprop.
| 130 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:39:09am |
re: #129 BatGuano
He was throwing around astronomical dollar figures like a juggler, pretending he knew what they meant. He did call the Cambridge police "stupid" and then went into a rant on racism by law enforcement, i.e, blacks and Hispanics are pulled over by the police in disproportionate numbers. Typical leftist agitprop.
Oh, and the product he was selling was "health Care".
| 131 |
littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:39:36am |
re: #129 BatGuano
He did call the Cambridge police "stupid"
No way. HE DID?!
/nuh! see what I miss because of my weak stomach?
| 132 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:40:21am |
re: #126 TheMatrix31
What ridiculous things did that MFer say tonight?
Aw geez dude, what the fu...
For starters, this is my first post all night, I haven't said
anything
.
Secondly, I can't help the fact that all those single moms throw themselves at me. Dude, don't hate the playa. Hate the game.
/wait, what?
| 135 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:43:46am |
re: #132 Slumbering Behemoth
.
Secondly, I can't help the fact that all those single moms throw themselves at me. Dude, don't hate the playa. Hate the game.
/wait, what?
LOL say what?!
| 136 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:44:11am |
To paraphrase JBS Haldane, My own suspicion is that the Obama is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose.
Queer, of course, not in the sexual orientation sense, but in he strange sense.
| 137 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:44:33am |
re: #133 littleoldlady
The siren song of delectable fruitcup to be roused me from my deep... um... nap.
| 138 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:45:23am |
re: #129 BatGuano
He was throwing around astronomical dollar figures like a juggler, pretending he knew what they meant. He did call the Cambridge police "stupid" and then went into a rant on racism by law enforcement, i.e, blacks and Hispanics are pulled over by the police in disproportionate numbers. Typical leftist agitprop.
In a news conference dedicated to pitching nationalized health care, this translates into "Can we please talk about something else? Look, a squirrel!"
| 139 |
freetoken Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:45:30am |
Here is the news story:
| 141 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:45:41am |
re: #135 TheMatrix31
Just riffing on the "MFer" part of your post.
| 142 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:50:12am |
re: #141 Slumbering Behemoth
Just riffing on the "MFer" part of your post.
Hahaha, it was hilarious, just caught me off guard lol
| 143 |
littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:52:51am |
So let me see if I have this right...
Our President (the most brilliant man in America) knows more about local police activities than the particulars of the "healthcare" bill he's pushing?
/every morning Barack Obama reads USA Today and People Magazine
//and somewhere in aMeRiCa an African-American was dissed!
| 144 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:52:54am |
re: #129 BatGuano
re: #131 littleoldlady
He did. Sifting through some comments on the Boston Globe and Boston Herald sites- kinda telling when leftist agitprop isn't going over too well with its intended audience.
Early indications are that Prof. Gates' petulant tantraum and 0bama's intervention isn't going over too well in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts...hardly vast right-wing conspiracy central.
| 145 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:58:07am |
Welcome to the first American, post racial administration. Ain't it awesome?
/geez, I expect that kind of commentary from the entrenched reverends, but from the POTUS? Petty, and beneath the office.
| 147 |
littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:00:08am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!
| 148 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:00:44am |
re: #144 Fenway_Nation
I tend to think some of these confrontations with the police are contrived. Professor Gates missed the civil rights movement of the 1960's and, despite benefiting from the results of that era, is trying to capture the some of that pioneering for himself.
| 149 |
Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:01:06am |
re: #145 Slumbering Behemoth
But enough about my grand health care program which I have so eloquently laid out - LOOK! A squirrel!
| 150 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:01:08am |
re: #147 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!
Thank you littleoldlady!
| 155 |
Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:03:43am |
| 157 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:04:11am |
re: #147 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!
Good mornin!
| 158 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:04:44am |
| 161 |
littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:05:15am |
Whatever happened to "I'm not going to comment on an on-going police investigation"?
I'm just so amazed by this.
/I guess I shouldn't be, but I am...
| 164 |
Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:06:43am |
re: #160 Fenway_Nation
There he is, snuggling up to the Navy types again. But I jest, that 3ID patch says enough.
| 165 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:07:18am |
re: #161 littleoldlady
Whatever happened to "I'm not going to comment on an on-going police investigation"?
I'm just so amazed by this.
/I guess I shouldn't be, but I am...
It's Okay: He was oppressed minority mode. He feels the pain of the oppressed Professor.
| 167 |
Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:08:43am |
re: #165 BatGuano
Ya gotta hang with your Harvard homies.
| 169 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:10:09am |
| 170 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:11:37am |
No joke though...do you guys think "the masses" bought the press conference? Or do you guys think there will be more negativity after this.
| 171 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:13:17am |
re: #146 littleoldlady
It's just really weird. Looking at the video clip Freetoken links at #134, Obama states, a couple of times, that he doesn't know all the facts. Yet he goes on at length about it, offering much opinion and speculation.
I didn't watch the tube when this aired, and it is not evident in the clip linked, but if a "reporter" asked a question about this incident, Obama's reply was unusual and less than diplomatic.
He should have simply stated something like "Gates and I are friends. Not all of the facts are apparent at this time, and I know as much about the incident as the rest of America does. Next question".
| 172 |
Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:13:59am |
re: #170 TheMatrix31
I'm not sure about the "masses" but I think it's safe to say he blew it with any MD who was following along.
| 173 |
littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:14:53am |
that he doesn't know all the facts. Yet he goes on at length about it, offering much opinion and speculation.
As I said upstream...LIPS MOVING.
| 174 |
Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:16:11am |
| 175 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:16:11am |
re: #171 Slumbering Behemoth
He should have simply stated something like "Gates and I are friends. Not all of the facts are apparent at this time, and I know as much about the incident as the rest of America does. Next question".
Too much to ask.
| 176 |
littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:16:11am |
re: #172 Panhandler
"Here is your new health care plan. We're going to save boatloads of money because there are no more doctors for you to see..."
/TA DA!
| 177 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:16:15am |
re: #169 Fenway_Nation
Did he ever leave 'opressed minority' mode?
No. And he never will. He and Gates do not see the irony that is apparent to all of us.
| 178 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:16:56am |
re: #170 TheMatrix31
No joke though...do you guys think "the masses" bought the press conference? Or do you guys think there will be more negativity after this.
More negativity, and there would have been more negativity regardless of anything he said I believe. It's the mood of the country right now, for one thing.
| 179 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:17:51am |
re: #170 TheMatrix31
No joke though...do you guys think "the masses" bought the press conference? Or do you guys think there will be more negativity after this.
I didn't watch it, but I'll take a wild guess:
The True Believers will continue to believe, the True Haters will continue to hate, and those who posses enough logic and reason as to not be ideologues will scratch their heads and think "WTF?"
| 180 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:17:53am |
re: #164 Panhandler
Thank you...altho there are lizards here who wore the 3RD ID patch far more recently than I did.
| 181 |
astronmr20 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:18:19am |
re: #161 littleoldlady
Whatever happened to "I'm not going to comment on an on-going police investigation"?
I'm just so amazed by this.
/I guess I shouldn't be, but I am...
This is what gets me. Not a police chief, not a mayor, not a governor-- would comment at this point.
But the President?
This is nuts.
| 182 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:18:35am |
Obama will continue, at every opportunity, to shout " Witness the oppression inherent in the system!"
| 183 |
razorbacker Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:18:38am |
'Morning, Folks.
Just about the time that I am able to convince myself that $60/yr. is too much to spend on insuring my satellite-internet system, reality (or a bolt from above) reminds me that it isn't too much.
But, the system is back, and so am I.
| 184 |
Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:18:49am |
re: #176 littleoldlady
"Besides, you're over 65 so take the green pill and bugger off"
| 185 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:19:13am |
| 186 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:20:42am |
| 187 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:20:59am |
re: #182 BatGuano
Obama will continue, at every opportunity, to shout " Witness the oppression inherent in the system!"
I'm updinging you for the Monty Python ref. As always. :)
| 188 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:22:36am |
re: #187 iceweasel
I'm updinging you for the Monty Python ref. As always. :)
Thanks Ice: Someone must do it! How are you?
| 189 |
Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:22:44am |
re: #182 BatGuano
Before you can cross over to the clinic you must answer these question three:
Are you gainfully employed?
Why did the govt not get all your disposable income last year?
What is the purpose of the BLUE PILL?
| 190 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:23:03am |
re: #182 BatGuano
Obama will continue, at every opportunity, to shout " Witness the oppression inherent in the system!"
I am so disappointed in you right now.
| 191 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:23:55am |
re: #189 Panhandler
Before you can cross over to the clinic you must answer these question three:
Are you gainfully employed?
Why did the govt not get all your disposable income last year?
What is the purpose of the BLUE PILL?
No! I mean Yes...!
| 192 |
Lawrior Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:23:56am |
re: #189 Panhandler
Before you can cross over to the clinic you must answer these question three:
Are you gainfully employed?
Why did the govt not get all yourdisposableincome last year?
What is the purpose of the BLUE PILL?
Fixed that.
| 193 |
freetoken Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:24:18am |
re: #179 Slumbering Behemoth
... and those who posses enough logic and reason as to not be ideologues will scratch their heads and think "WTF?"
I didn't like the tie. I believe he has worn it before (looking at other videos)... but it just doesn't work for him.
| 195 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:26:13am |
re: #188 BatGuano
Thanks Ice: Someone must do it! How are you?
Pretty good, thanks. How are you, and how is your mom?
| 196 |
littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:27:03am |
re: #184 Panhandler
"Besides, you're over 65 so take the green pill and bugger off"
I just don't know who to send that little tidbit to first...
The Octogenarian Idiots in Florida?
My Obama Worshipping Cousins?
My Little Brother? Hmmm...
"Dear Dummy,
You and your wife are overweight and sedentary. Better schedule those hip replacements NOW..."
| 197 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:28:39am |
OT, but this is scary:
I’ve been freaking myself out over the past 24 hours by reading Reece Rushing’s CAP report on dangerous chemicals impairing American fertility
Yikes.
| 198 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:29:11am |
re: #195 iceweasel
Pretty good, thanks. How are you, and how is your mom?
I'm fine Ice. Mom is doing well now. Thank you for remembering her!
| 199 |
razorbacker Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:29:30am |
A Surprising Option for Contraception
I think that the technical term for people who rely on this contraception method is 'Parents'.
| 200 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:29:44am |
| 201 |
Lawrior Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:30:32am |
re: #194 Panhandler
If you're a US citizen, you're never off the grid as far as the IRS is concerned.
| 202 |
Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:30:44am |
| 203 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:31:52am |
re: #193 freetoken
I didn't like the tie. I believe he has worn it before (looking at other videos)... but it just doesn't work for him.
Don't look to me for fashion commentary, Freetoken. I cut my own hair, wear free, promotional t-shirts for products I've never even heard of, let alone use, and buy my pants from the clearance bin at the local drugstore.
I also steal my shoes from passed out hobos.
Okay, that "shoes" part is made up, but the rest is pretty much on the mark. What I don't know about clothes and fashion could fill our solar system.
| 204 |
Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:32:07am |
re: #201 Lawrior
If you're a US citizen, you're never off the grid as far as the IRS is concerned.
Yah, they and I finally came to an agreement on my 07 taxes, I owed more.
| 205 |
littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:34:25am |
| 206 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:34:28am |
re: #197 iceweasel
OT, but this is scary:
Yikes.
"I've got those baby makers coming out of my ears"- Ted Baxter (WJM)
| 207 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:35:15am |
| 208 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:35:20am |
re: #205 littleoldlady
What?! The Geitner Defense didn't work for you?
/Did you try the Rangel Excuse?
The Daschel excuse?
| 210 |
Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:36:55am |
re: #199 razorbacker
A Surprising Option for Contraception
I think that the technical term for people who rely on this contraception method is 'Parents'.
The Aborigines of old used to drill a hole through the base of the male member. When you wanted kids you pinched your fingers over the hole, if you didn't, you left the hole open.
| 211 |
Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:38:07am |
re: #205 littleoldlady
Sorry fella, you ain't no politician so you don't have a defense, or an excuse.
| 212 |
Lawrior Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:38:22am |
re: #210 Panhandler
The Aborigines of old used to drill a hole through the base of the male member. When you wanted kids you pinched your fingers over the hole, if you didn't, you left the hole open.
Forget that, I'll continue to rely on the only thing I know that works: praying to the angry sky gods for no baby-laden storks.
| 213 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:38:24am |
re: #210 Panhandler
Tell me you are making that up. Please.
| 214 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:38:44am |
| 215 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:38:53am |
re: #210 Panhandler
I'll stick with condoms, thanks.
| 216 |
razorbacker Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:38:59am |
re: #210 Panhandler
You hear the most amazing things around here.
I had always wondered at the term 'skin flute'.
| 218 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:39:57am |
re: #207 Slumbering Behemoth
I got this, Fenway...
I always know where mine is. I check on it everyday.
/sometimes twice a day, just to make sure
haha... I love the night shift here.
| 219 |
littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:40:24am |
re: #210 Panhandler
And at this moment...all over the world...hands are instinctively covering a certain part of the male anatomy...
| 220 |
razorbacker Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:40:31am |
re: #204 Panhandler
Yah, they and I finally came to an agreement on my 07 taxes, I owed more.
Did you use the Richard Pryor excuse?
*"Your Honor, I forgot."*
Although Richard said that it didn't work.
| 221 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:41:47am |
re: #219 littleoldlady
And at this moment...all over the world...hands are instinctively covering a certain part of the male anatomy...
Unfortunately, not my wifes.
| 222 |
Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:43:23am |
re: #213 BatGuano
Would bring up the page, but I'm getting a failure to connect with powerhouse museum.com.
| 224 |
Lawrior Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:43:41am |
re: #220 razorbacker
Did you use the Richard Pryor excuse?
*"Your Honor, I forgot."*
Although Richard said that it didn't work.
Too bad he wasn't being tried by the Senate.
| 225 |
razorbacker Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:43:46am |
The wife stirs.
I'm going to fix her breakfast. BBL.
| 226 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:44:29am |
re: #218 iceweasel
I think I posted some time back that this hour its free form art. I don't remember.
| 228 |
Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:45:24am |
re: #221 BatGuano
If she starts charring the end of a small pointed wooden stick - Leave!
| 229 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:45:45am |
re: #222 Panhandler
Would bring up the page, but I'm getting a failure to connect with powerhouse museum.com.
That's alright: We wont worry too much about that.
| 230 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:46:50am |
| 231 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:47:52am |
re: #218 iceweasel
Every night in my area, there is a Station ID/PSA which asks "It's ten o'clock, do you know where your children are?", and I always point to the tissues in my waste basket.
/totally tasteless and juvenile, I know, but that's how I roll
| 232 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:48:05am |
re: #228 Panhandler
If she starts charring the end of a small pointed wooden stick - Leave!
Well, that goes without saying!
| 233 |
littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:51:00am |
re: #231 Slumbering Behemoth
YOU owe me a monitor, sonny!
| 235 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:53:03am |
re: #219 littleoldlady
And at this moment...all over the world...hands are instinctively covering a certain part of the male anatomy...
GAH! Are you spying on me? Look, it's totally natural. I will not go blind, and I will not grow hair on my palms.
And c'mon! I know I don't have pr0n star "talent", but my hands hardly "cover" the whole thing.
/wait, what?
| 236 |
Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:53:42am |
| 237 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:54:38am |
re: #231 Slumbering Behemoth
Every night in my area, there is a Station ID/PSA which asks "It's ten o'clock, do you know where your children are?", and I always point to the tissues in my waste basket.
/totally tasteless and juvenile, I know, but that's how I roll
LMFAO.
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:55:01am |
Good golly, this thread has degenerated...!
/I blame Obama
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:55:15am |
re: #231 Slumbering Behemoth
Got booted, but glad I made it back in time for that one...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:56:38am |
re: #233 littleoldlady
YOU owe me a monitor, sonny!
Perhaps we can work something out in trade? I bet I'd be really good at churning butter.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:57:11am |
re: #231 Slumbering Behemoth
Every night in my area, there is a Station ID/PSA which asks "It's ten o'clock, do you know where your children are?", and I always point to the tissues in my waste basket.
/totally tasteless and juvenile, I know, but that's how I roll
And we love you for it. At least, I laughed out loud.
/equally juvenile and tasteless here
Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great
If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate...
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:57:55am |
re: #238 littleoldlady
Good golly, this thread has degenerated...!
/I blame Obama
I think we should blame iceweasel for underestimating how juvenile males can be when left unsupervised when the subject of sperm is introduced.
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:58:05am |
re: #238 littleoldlady
Good golly, this thread has degenerated...!
/I blame Obama
I think that after that little "health care" episode last night the lizards are trying to bury the aftertase with humor, I know I am.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:58:59am |
re: #242 BatGuano
I think we should blame iceweasel for underestimating how juvenile males can be when left unsupervised when the subject of sperm is introduced.
It certainly degrades the quality of intercourse here.
///
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:59:48am |
re: #236 Panhandler
lol, he types with those hands!
Don't be so certain. I may not have pr0n worthy "talent", but I do have some "talent".
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:00:42am |
re: #244 iceweasel
It certainly degrades the quality of intercourse here.
///
You're right, it can become a sticky subject.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:01:27am |
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:01:30am |
re: #243 Panhandler
0bama was talking about healthcare? All I heard about was him taking a gratuitous swipe at a Massachusetts police officer after admitting he didn't have all the facts in the case and was biased in favor of Prof. Gates.
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:02:14am |
re: #243 Panhandler
After many (many!) years of working real (real!) hard to stay rooted in reality I am finding it extraordinarily difficult to function now in BizarroWorld.
Humor ain't cutting it. I'm exploring the benefits of alcohol and related legal substances.
/next up...(illegal) drugs!
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:02:23am |
re: #246 BatGuano
You two are pretty spunky this morning.
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:02:31am |
re: #242 BatGuano
I think we should blame iceweasel for underestimating how juvenile males can be when left unsupervised when the subject of sperm is introduced.
I'm just hoping that Mandy doesn't see the reference to the small pointed stick, she could cause major havoc if she added that to her clue by four arsenal. The question then arises, how, after applying the small pointed wooden stick, would she be able to tell someone to go "Piss up a rope"?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:03:18am |
re: #246 BatGuano
You're right, it can become a sticky subject.
I think you've put your finger on it.
///
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:03:59am |
re: #247 BatGuano
I'm done. I promise!
Good! Now have a talk with Slumbering, will you?!
/I'm not sure I'm sufficiently caffeinated to deal ;-)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:04:34am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:05:49am |
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:05:51am |
re: #251 Panhandler
I somehow think she have some very specific instructions.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:07:46am |
re: #248 Fenway_Nation
0bama was talking about healthcare? All I heard about was him taking a gratuitous swipe at a Massachusetts police officer after admitting he didn't have all the facts in the case and was biased in favor of Prof. Gates.
The unfortunate thing is that was the very last question he was asked, and it's practically all anyone in the media is talking about now.
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:08:31am |
So...
/TRYING to change the subject ;-)
I wrote to my local congresscritter about his vote for cap and trade and got a three page letter full of misinformation in response. Good lord, these people must thing we are ALL st00pid!
I hope I have time to send him my response today.
/along with a custom T-shirt saying "You Cap Us; We Trade You"...
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:09:06am |
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:10:12am |
re: #249 littleoldlady
After many (many!) years of working real (real!) hard to stay rooted in reality I am finding it extraordinarily difficult to function now in BizarroWorld.
Humor ain't cutting it. I'm exploring the benefits of alcohol and related legal substances.
/next up...(illegal) drugs!
Here's an alternative, just rouse tom.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:10:50am |
re: #257 iceweasel
The unfortunate thing is that was the very last question he was asked, and it's practically all anyone in the media is talking about now.
That is probably because it was a gratuitous swipe at the Cambridge PD.
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:12:13am |
re: #261 BatGuano
That is probably because it was a gratuitous swipe at the Cambridge PD.
It was a gratuitous swipe at the "White mans greed"
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:13:39am |
re: #261 BatGuano
That is probably because it was a gratuitous swipe at the Cambridge PD.
I disagree, but then I would. :)
I heard about the arrest not long after it happened, and it's been all over the left side of the blogosphere for days now. The Cambridge PD officer screwed up, badly.
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:13:53am |
re: #260 Panhandler
Yeah, I've tried old movies, too. That USUALLY works.
/running out of distractions :-/
Cary Grant Akbar!
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:14:43am |
re: #263 Panhandler
That opens up another channel, I wonder if The One's name would happen to appear on the Cambridge police blotters during his tenure at Harvard Law.
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:14:55am |
re: #262 Flyers1974
'Morning! :-) How come your nik is "Flyers" if you're in Maryland?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:17:16am |
re: #266 Panhandler
That opens up another channel, I wonder if The One's name would happen to appear on the Cambridge police blotters during his tenure at Harvard Law.
Harvard maintains its own separate police force (of sorts) and urges all students and faculty to go through the university force for everything. They really have a little fiefdom there. For example, if a student is robbed by another student, they want you to report it to the University force, not call 911.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:17:27am |
re: #264 iceweasel
re: #261 BatGuano
I disagree, but then I would. :)I heard about the arrest not long after it happened, and it's been all over the left side of the blogosphere for days now. The Cambridge PD officer screwed up, badly.
RIght now, Gates' little hissy fit show isn't going over too well in that right wing bastion of Boston, MA- of all places. Would he have acted the same way if one of the Cambridge PD's three dozen black officers responded to the call?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:18:03am |
re: #269 Fenway_Nation
RIght now, Gates' little hissy fit show isn't going over too well in that right wing bastion of Boston, MA- of all places. Would he have acted the same way if one of the Cambridge PD's three dozen black officers responded to the call?
Yes, if that officer acted like the white one did.
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:18:31am |
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:20:09am |
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:20:35am |
re: #264 iceweasel
I will withhold judgment on the police officer at this time. I've read the report linked by Fenway. Also, I inadvertently stole his phrase "gratuitous swipe"; sorry!
President Obama should not have pronounced judgement on the police officers: It was, well, presidential.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:21:21am |
re: #270 iceweasel
Bull fucking shit. Gates staged his little hissy-fit exactly because the responding officer was white. This has racial grievance theater 3000 written all over it.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:22:04am |
re: #273 BatGuano
Also, I inadvertently stole his phrase "gratuitous swipe"; sorry!
GRRR! *fists clenching*
/patent pending.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:24:08am |
re: #273 BatGuano
I will withhold judgment on the police officer at this time. I've read the report linked by Fenway. Also, I inadvertently stole his phrase "gratuitous swipe"; sorry!
President Obama should not have pronounced judgement on the police officers: It was, well, presidential.
"not" presidential. PIMF!
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:24:24am |
re: #272 littleoldlady
Nope, those are Honda Goldwings, a rather large and heavy touring bike - the scratching sound you hear are the footpegs dragging in the curves.
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Flyers1974 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:25:04am |
re: #267 littleoldlady
I was born outside of Philly and lived in the general area until the mid-1990's. No switching allegiance for me, so I'm stuck with the Philly teams. Not a bad thing regarding the Phillies, at least lately.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:27:12am |
re: #273 BatGuano
I will withhold judgment on the police officer at this time. I've read the report linked by Fenway. Also, I inadvertently stole his phrase "gratuitous swipe"; sorry!
President Obama should not have pronounced judgement on the police officers: It was, well, presidential.
Well, we'll have to disagree on this. In my view, the officer arrested Gates for the 'crime' of being insufficiently deferential. Not only have the charges against Gates been dropped, but the officer ought to face disciplinary action.
I read the police report a couple of days ago. Here is Gates' lawyer's statement, btw
[Link: www.theroot.com...]
There are differences between his account, and the officer's account, but I think Adam Serwer over at TAPPED gets it right:
The significant issue here, it seems to me, is whether or not Gates showed both his Harvard ID and driver's license as he claims -- Crowley claims he showed only his Harvard ID. Yet, Crowley does not claim to have felt as though he was in danger, and says he believes that Gates was being truthful about it being his residence. So I don't really understand why Crowley stuck around to be yelled at, and it makes me uncomfortable that someone can simply be arrested for the crime of saying nasty things to a police officer under the auspices of "disorderly conduct." I'm not aware of the clause in the First Amendment that exempts police officers from angry criticism. Gates' reaction, if the police report is accurate, may have been inappropriate, but it was understandable, given that he was being accused of breaking into his own home. But if he was arrested simply because Crowley was angry or embarrassed at being mistreated, I don't think that's a defensible reaction.
[Link: www.prospect.org...]
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:27:29am |
re: #278 Flyers1974
You have my deepest condolances re: Harry Kalas. I'm not even a Phillies fan, but he was a joy to listen to on the radio.
The first year I had my XM radio, I tuned into a Phils home game against the Astros with Kalas doing the play-by-play. The starters? Roger Clemens vs the rookie Cole Hammels...
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:27:43am |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:28:46am |
re: #274 Fenway_Nation
Bull fucking shit. Gates staged his little hissy-fit exactly because the responding officer was white. This has racial grievance theater 3000 written all over it.
I don't believe that. I don't even know why you think it was 'staged'. I think Gates was legitimately pissed off and probably did say some rude things. The officer was wrong to arrest him for that.
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razorbacker Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:29:08am |
Another death.
You probably have used the product yourself. You may even have used it more often than a Michael Jackson CD.
John S. Barry, Main Force Behind WD-40, Dies at 84
Another byproduct of the aerospace industry.
Baling wire, duct tape, and WD-40. What tool box does not have two out of three?
A well-equipped tool box has all three, of course.
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:31:19am |
re: #283 razorbacker
Duct tape is like The Force, it has a bright side and a dark side and holds the universe together.
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Flyers1974 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:32:29am |
re: #257 iceweasel
The unfortunate thing is that was the very last question he was asked, and it's practically all anyone in the media is talking about now.
The media is indeed biased: Biased towards making money.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:32:43am |
re: #273 BatGuano
I will withhold judgment on the police officer at this time.
'Zactly. I am withholding judgment on the whole thing until more facts come to light.
And hey, I'm just some internet dork who makes juvenile "jerk jokes". You'd expect a POTUS should at least be able to do the same.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:33:12am |
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:33:15am |
re: #282 iceweasel
re: #274 Fenway_Nation
I don't believe that. I don't even know why you think it was 'staged'. I think Gates was legitimately pissed off and probably did say some rude things. The officer was wrong to arrest him for that.
Huh...a race-baiting lefty academic taunting and goading a white policeman into making an arrest? Yeah...that's totally beyond me why he's try and stage something like that. It's not like he'd get frequent martyr miles from this whole fiasco or anything.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:34:18am |
Gates thing stinks on both sides.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:34:24am |
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Flyers1974 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:35:34am |
re: #281 littleoldlady
True dat! (Except for yesterday...)
Where at? I'm in Delco.
Good old Delco. Me too. Prospect Park and Wallingford. The Phils won ten and a row until yesterday, I believe?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:36:45am |
re: #286 Slumbering Behemoth
'Zactly. I am withholding judgment on the whole thing until more facts come to light.
And hey, I'm just some internet dork who makes juvenile "jerk jokes". You'd expect a POTUS should at least be able to do the same.
But the facts already have come to light. The charges against Gates were dropped on tuesday, IIRC. I honestly don't find anything objectionable about Obama's remarks, and he qualified them. The Cambridge PD officer is pretty clearly in the wrong here, I'm sure Obama heard about this days ago (because even though it wasn't talked about here, it was in a lot of other places), and Obama simply threw a placeholder in there to give the officer the benefit of the doubt.
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:37:18am |
re: #291 Flyers1974
Ah. We were neighbors when you were here.
/Marple
Yeah, they lost yesterday. I kinda got used that winning streak. ;-)
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:37:30am |
re: #261 BatGuano
That is probably because it was a gratuitous swipe at the Cambridge PD.
I think it was more in the line of "Look! A squirrel!" An attempt to change the topic and talk about something else - anything else - but the clattering health care package.
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:37:46am |
re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It lives to face another day! Hiya FBV, when are you going to use the picture I sent you so long ago? (Maybe when you register a sock puppet so the family don't see it?)
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:39:32am |
Good morning all. Quick drive by. May not have access to LGF today. lost access yesterday afternoon. Happened before, but was only temporary.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:39:58am |
re: #288 Fenway_Nation
Huh...a race-baiting lefty academic taunting and goading a white policeman into making an arrest? Yeah...that's totally beyond me why he's try and stage something like that.
You think he 'staged' someone calling and reporting a breakin?
You think he 'staged' the officer coming into his house?
This officer showed up and it was just like that old Dave Chappelle routine: "Yep, I saw this once in my rookie days...black guy breaks in and hangs up pictures of himself and his family all over the walls".
Even the officer, in his own report, admits he didn't feel in danger and believed that it was Gates' house. But he arrested him anyway. I'd be pretty pissed off if I were Gates.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:40:10am |
re: #279 iceweasel
Ice. I speculated earlier that Gates might have been trying to become part of the old civil rights movement and that I will withhold judgment on the police officer: the facts are in dispute.
I will stand by my main point that President Obama's statement was un-presidential. He should not have interjected his opinion in the matter, which led to a rant about the disparity in justice based on race.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:40:27am |
re: #294 SixDegrees
I don't see that as being a machination of the White House. I mean to go from '0bama clearly doesn't know what's going on w/ his own healthcare legislation proposal' to 'I dont have the facts and I'm friends w/Professor Gates, but let me be clear that the police are stupid'
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:40:53am |
re: #295 Panhandler
It lives to face another day! Hiya FBV, when are you going to use the picture I sent you so long ago? (Maybe when you register a sock puppet so the family don't see it?)
Oh, I remember that! Hell no.
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:42:24am |
re: #301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, OK then - we still friends?
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Flyers1974 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:42:35am |
re: #280 Fenway_Nation
You have my deepest condolances re: Harry Kalas. I'm not even a Phillies fan, but he was a joy to listen to on the radio.
The first year I had my XM radio, I tuned into a Phils home game against the Astros with Kalas doing the play-by-play. The starters? Roger Clemens vs the rookie Cole Hammels...
Thank you for the kind thoughts. I thought it was nice that he had the chance to announce a Phils world series. I happened to miss him because he wasn't on the radio station where I was at the time.
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razorbacker Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:43:07am |
You don't have to be either a lefty or an professorial type to get sideways with the police. And truth be told, sometimes attitude goes a long way.
When I first got here from the wilds of Houston (and I spent a lot of time in the 4th and 5th wards of Houston due to my job) I had occasion to interact with the local sheriff's department.
Impressed, I called the sheriff to complement him on his deputy's professionalism.
He told me, "We don't have enough officers to act like jerks. We have to get along with y'all."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:43:30am |
re: #282 iceweasel
I don't believe that. I don't even know why you think it was 'staged'. I think Gates was legitimately pissed off and probably did say some rude things. The officer was wrong to arrest him for that.
The story so far reads that it went all forked up when the officers realized Gates was in fact the homeowner and decided to leave, then Gates decided to follow them out into the street to continue to harass them. That's when Gates was arrested.
But that's not the part of the story that folks (or at least I) find strange. The truly strange part of this is that a serving POTUS went on at length about the incident, offering quantities of opinion and speculation in a press conference that even a city mayor would not indulge in at such an early stage.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:43:38am |
re: #282 iceweasel
I don't believe that. I don't even know why you think it was 'staged'. I think Gates was legitimately pissed off and probably did say some rude things. The officer was wrong to arrest him for that.
Lots - possibly most - jurisdictions have laws making failure to comply with LEO requests illegal. And Gates was certainly well over that line, and got there in a hurry according to every account I've heard. Depends on what the local laws are, but given that Gates was arrested I'd bet there's a legitimate law on the books backing up such detention.
Also - "I don't know all the facts - but the police were wrong" is hardly an endearing statement. If you don't know all the facts, you probably shouldn't be commenting in the first place, and you certainly shouldn't be issuing condemnations.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:43:45am |
re: #298 BatGuano
Ice. I speculated earlier that Gates might have been trying to become part of the old civil rights movement and that I will withhold judgment on the police officer: the facts are in dispute.
I will stand by my main point that President Obama's statement was un-presidential. He should not have interjected his opinion in the matter, which led to a rant about the disparity in justice based on race.
Fair enough. What I saw was Obama being asked a question, not bringing it up himself, and I didn't see a 'rant', but some sensible comments about the fact of racial profiling and disparate treatment by officers based on race.
But it'd be a boring world if we all agreed on everything. :)
I think we can all agree that the media are idiots, and that in chasing after this story, the whole rest of the speech, the conference, and the issue of health care is being ignored.
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Bloodnok Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:45:27am |
re: #297 iceweasel
You think he 'staged' someone calling and reporting a breakin?
You think he 'staged' the officer coming into his house?
This officer showed up and it was just like that old Dave Chappelle routine: "Yep, I saw this once in my rookie days...black guy breaks in and hangs up pictures of himself and his family all over the walls".
Even the officer, in his own report, admits he didn't feel in danger and believed that it was Gates' house. But he arrested him anyway. I'd be pretty pissed off if I were Gates.
I have to disagree. He arrested him for being belligerent (following the officer out to his cruiser berating him). One of the quotes attributed to Gates is (unproven, as of this time) is "You don't know who you're messing with". It's not a race issue. It's an elitism issue.
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:45:51am |
re: #307 iceweasel
Of all the questions in the world, why that one at a PC about health care?
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:46:07am |
re: #299 Fenway_Nation
I don't see that as being a machination of the White House. I mean to go from '0bama clearly doesn't know what's going on w/ his own healthcare legislation proposal' to 'I dont have the facts and I'm friends w/Professor Gates, but let me be clear that the police are stupid'
I'm not suggesting it was orchestrated. Only that it was taken advantage of, and that the end result is everyone talking about this incident and forgetting that the conference itself was supposed to be about nationalizing health care, something 0 apparently would rather not have in the public eye or under public discussion at this point.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:48:54am |
re: #306 SixDegrees
Lots - possibly most - jurisdictions have laws making failure to comply with LEO requests illegal. And Gates was certainly well over that line, and got there in a hurry according to every account I've heard. Depends on what the local laws are, but given that Gates was arrested I'd bet there's a legitimate law on the books backing up such detention.
Also - "I don't know all the facts - but the police were wrong" is hardly an endearing statement. If you don't know all the facts, you probably shouldn't be commenting in the first place, and you certainly shouldn't be issuing condemnations.
I think razorbacker makes some good points above regarding police attitudes.
Charges were dropped against Gates. And it really isn't unheard of for police to arrest people simply because they get angry with you.
Again, I find nothing objectionable about Obama's statements, and I don't share your characterisation of them.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:49:05am |
re: #297 iceweasel
*sigh*
No...I'm not saying the 'break-in' was staged. Or are you just being obtuse?
Actually, let me correct myself- I bet the hostility towards Sgt. Crowley was genuine.
But enough of that...true story, iceweasel...
Awhile back, a sherriff's deputy comes by and knocks on the front door of casa de Fenway (not an everyday occurance). For whatever reason, he wanted to know how long I had been living there. I answered and...here's the kicker...provided ID when asked. He explained that he stopped by because he recieved information that someone was squatting in a vacant residence in the area...and either they gave him the wrong address or the tip was bogus.
What do you think would've happened if I started yelling and swearing at him and telling him that he had no right to be there and he was a racist before he even asked me for ID? Maybe gratuitously bring up the deputy's hispanic last name to boot?
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Flyers1974 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:49:25am |
re: #293 littleoldlady
Ah. We were neighbors when you were here.
/Marple
Yeah, they lost yesterday. I kinda got used that winning streak. ;-)
I've always missed the "feel" of those Philly burbs. Can't put my finger on it, just different from the Baltimore burbs, etc... . Speaking of my screen name, I've completely lost interest in the Flyers - I think hockey has become too watered down, too trying to be what its not. It'll never be the NFL or the NBA so don't try to compete with them - every team having black in their jerseys, changing the rules to make the sport more "exciting" - shootouts? What do they have to do with hockey? But I'm old school. I prefer 1-0 nothing games. They say however, that adding Pronger makes them instant contenders next year.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:49:54am |
re: #310 Panhandler
Of all the questions in the world, why that one at a PC about health care?
beats me. It was Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Tribune and it was the last question asked. Pretty idiotic question in the first place.
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:51:56am |
re: #315 iceweasel
beats me. It was Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Tribune and it was the last question asked. Pretty idiotic question in the first place.
To which the President gave a reasoned and articulate answer, the only one of the night.
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:54:44am |
re: #314 Flyers1974
It's kind of amazing how many people who have grown up here, and run away to somewhere else, migrate back when it's time to settle down and raise a family. About 80% of talloldman's MN graduating class are our neighbors, and their kids went to school with our kid.
So, you miss the days of toothless hockey players? ;-)
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:55:26am |
re: #307 iceweasel
He should not have been commenting on racial profiling. Blacks and Hispanics are being detained disproportionately? Who are committing crimes disproportionate to their numbers? For obvious reasons, that is as far as I wish to go. By the way, I am against racial profiling.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:56:01am |
When police make a mistake it often results in the violation of the rights of an innocent party. Occasional mistakes are unavoidable and competence and procedural issues can generally be investigated, remedied and the matter can then be put to rest.
However, as appears to have happened in this case, when the mistake is compounded by the unnecessary arrest of the victim of the error and is then followed by stonewalling and denials on the part of the authorities, the original situation can become much more serious because it then raises legitimate questions about the bona fides and impartiality of the officer and the department.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:56:27am |
re: #313 Fenway_Nation
Actually, let me correct myself- I bet the hostility towards Sgt. Crowley was genuine.
OK. THAT, we definitely agree on.
Awhile back, a sherriff's deputy comes by and knocks on the front door of casa de Fenway (not an everyday occurance). For whatever reason, he wanted to know how long I had been living there. I answered and...here's the kicker...provided ID when asked. He explained that he stopped by because he recieved information that someone was squatting in a vacant residence in the area...and either they gave him the wrong address or the tip was bogus.
What do you think would've happened if I started yelling and swearing at him and telling him that he had no right to be there and he was a racist before he even asked me for ID?
But that isn't what happened with Gates. The officer asked him to step outside, and Gates would not. Gates asked (reasonably, IMO) Why? And he probably was belligerent. But Gates let the officer in and provided ID.
How would you feel if a cop knocked on your door and his first questions to you were requests that you step outside your house? Wouldn't you be a little freaked? I would be.
Maybe gratuitously bring up the deputy's hispanic last name to boot?
But do Hispanic officers have a history of profiling and targeting people of your demographic? This does make a difference to how we respond to police officers.
Look, I can fully believe that Gates acted badly, yelled at the officer, etc. But I still think it's pretty messed up that you can be arrested because the officer doesn't like the way you spoke to him. And that seems to be what happened. He's a cop. Why didn't he just walk away?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:57:27am |
re: #319 Spare O'Lake
When police make a mistake it often results in the violation of the rights of an innocent party. Occasional mistakes are unavoidable and competence and procedural issues can generally be investigated, remedied and the matter can then be put to rest.
However, as appears to have happened in this case, when the mistake is compounded by the unnecessary arrest of the victim of the error and is then followed by stonewalling and denials on the part of the authorities, the original situation can become much more serious because it then raises legitimate questions about the bona fides and impartiality of the officer and the department.
Exactly. Excellent post, and much more on topic than mine have been. Also more eloquent! Thank you.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:57:41am |
re: #305 Slumbering Behemoth
The story so far reads that it went all forked up when the officers realized Gates was in fact the homeowner and decided to leave, then Gates decided to follow them out into the street to continue to harass them. That's when Gates was arrested.
But that's not the part of the story that folks (or at least I) find strange. The truly strange part of this is that a serving POTUS went on at length about the incident, offering quantities of opinion and speculation in a press conference that even a city mayor would not indulge in at such an early stage.
Exactly.
This was a local matter, and Obama should have remained neutral.
His reaction just gave every police officer in the nation a reason to hesitate before investigating a report of a break-in, and a green light to everyone to behave poorly toward police officers if they don't like the cops actions.
Not good for public safety, imo.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:58:13am |
Well...I don't know about you, but this under-employed caucasian male veteran of the US Army waiting on his phantom unemployment check is looking forward to a series of lectures from a used car salesman formerly of Chicago's Hyde Park and a race-baiting academic with choice real estate in Cambridge and Martha's Vineyard on how priveleged (and by extention, bigoted) I am...
/watch prof Gates parlay this into becoming the Anti-Profiling Czar or something.
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:58:43am |
Hiya, reine! :-)
I have to get going... :-( :-( :-(
Good day, ALL!™
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:58:47am |
re: #319 Spare O'Lake
When police make a mistake it often results in the violation of the rights of an innocent party. Occasional mistakes are unavoidable and competence and procedural issues can generally be investigated, remedied and the matter can then be put to rest.
However, as appears to have happened in this case, when the mistake is compounded by the unnecessary arrest of the victim of the error and is then followed by stonewalling and denials on the part of the authorities, the original situation can become much more serious because it then raises legitimate questions about the bona fides and impartiality of the officer and the department.
Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention that Obama's reaction was inappropriate, hasty, judgmental and borderline racist.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:59:48am |
re: #324 littleoldlady
Leaving so soon? Seems like you just got here...
/Only because I keep getting booted
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:00:03am |
Gates thing won't be settled here.
So...Let's Dance!
Ever find it odd? those kids had never danced before...
wow
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:00:04am |
re: #309 Bloodnok
I have to disagree. He arrested him for being belligerent (following the officer out to his cruiser berating him). One of the quotes attributed to Gates is (unproven, as of this time) is "You don't know who you're messing with". It's not a race issue. It's an elitism issue.
I don't think it's an elitism issue, but there can be a lot of hostility between Harvard and the community. Standard Town vs Gown stuff. And I wouldn't be surprised if that sort of resentment also fueled the officer's arrest.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:00:09am |
re: #324 littleoldlady
Hiya, reine! :-)
I have to get going... :-( :-( :-(
Good day, ALL!™
I missed the fruitcup,I take it?
:-(
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:00:58am |
Whenever I type the word Gates (last name), why do I want to type it Gate's?
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jvic Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:01:09am |
re: #279 iceweasel
...Not only have the charges against Gates been dropped, but the officer ought to face disciplinary action...
I don't have time to join in the discussion, but IMO the officer's behavior is a potential firing offense. Not only was he in no danger from the sixtyish Gates, but his backup was on site.
The police state is not fully upon us (hopefully it never will be), but from time to time it feels free to show its teeth.
The image of a law-abiding citizen shackled to the porch of his own home revolts me. Although I acknowledge that the facts have not definitively been established, my sympathies are completely with Gates.
At a purely egoistical level, I am not a happy camper because this happened right after I've been knocking identity politics, especially Sotomayor's.
Shouldn't be here. Gotta run.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:01:38am |
re: #316 Panhandler
To which the President gave a reasoned and articulate answer, the only one of the night.
Are we still talking about this? If so, and if that is the most "reasoned and articulate answer" given in his entire press conference...
... it dumps a giant Cleveland Steamer on the whole "post-racial" meme that was part of his campaign.
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Flyers1974 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:02:18am |
re: #317 littleoldlady
No doubt. I can still name everyone on those mid-seventies teams. Do you remember the victory parades? I was too young, but my father told me they were insane.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:02:47am |
re: #333 Slumbering Behemoth
"Cleveland Steamer"... heh.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:03:41am |
re: #322 reine.de.tout
Exactly.
This was a local matter
It's not a purely local matter and never was. The arrest been talked about all over the place for days, just not on LGF or on the right. It's been pretty big news because of Gates' stature. It's been huge news in academia and on the left.
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:04:17am |
re: #333 Slumbering Behemoth
Dang! / ( I knew when I hit post I'd forgotten something)
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razorbacker Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:06:06am |
re: #331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Whenever I type the word Gates (last name), why do I want to type it Gate's?
As is well known, good Gates make good neighbors.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:07:26am |
re: #332 jvic
I don't have time to join in the discussion, but IMO the officer's behavior is a potential firing offense. Not only was he in no danger from the sixtyish Gates, but his backup was on site.
The police state is not fully upon us (hopefully it never will be), but from time to time it feels free to show its teeth.
The image of a law-abiding citizen shackled to the porch of his own home revolts me. Although I acknowledge that the facts have not definitively been established, my sympathies are completely with Gates.
At a purely egoistical level, I am not a happy camper because this happened right after I've been knocking identity politics, especially Sotomayor's.
Shouldn't be here. Gotta run.
Totally agree with you, jvic. See you later!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:07:32am |
Sucks to be Vegas, Orlando, or Reno...
I agree with this new gov't attitude...but... maybe we can just skip a few annual conferences...
Especially you!, Congress.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:07:51am |
re: #320 iceweasel
I've been profiled before...
20 something male travelling solo for extended periods of time in Mexico and other parts of Latin America. Frankly, any US Customs officer who didn't have a few questions for me on the return trip should be shitcanned right then and there.
The land crossing from Mexico was the worst when I was taken from my vehicle, handcuffed and my vehicle seized by US customes while they searched it.
Turns out, I was profiled. Who exactly do I turn to in such a situation? It's not the headline-grabbing materiel when white cops detain a white motorist as a result of profiling...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:08:12am |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:08:17am |
re: #336 iceweasel
It's not a purely local matter and never was. The arrest been talked about all over the place for days, just not on LGF or on the right. It's been pretty big news because of Gates' stature. It's been huge news in academia and on the left.
It's been huge news, but it's still a local matter, and Obama should have remained neutral.
As far as Gates' "stature", I don't give a flying flip about Gates' stature. It would have been just as difficult of an incident even if Gates wasn't a person of "stature", don't you agree? Or do persons of "stature" have extra benefits the rest of us don't?
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:08:31am |
re: #338 razorbacker
Which reminds me, time for the blood pressure meds.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:08:51am |
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:08:55am |
re: #340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sucks to be Vegas, Orlando, or Reno...
I agree with this new gov't attitude...but... maybe we can just skip a few annual conferences...
Especially you!, Congress.
The longer congress stays in reccess, the safer I feel about this country's future.
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razorbacker Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:09:55am |
re: #342 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That last gate was nice.
There were others?
Let me go back and see.
.
.
.
.
Oh, yeah. That shire gate is nice, too.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:10:16am |
re: #341 Fenway_Nation
I've been profiled before...
20 something male travelling solo for extended periods of time in Mexico and other parts of Latin America. Frankly, any US Customs officer who didn't have a few questions for me on the return trip should be shitcanned right then and there.
The land crossing from Mexico was the worst when I was taken from my vehicle, handcuffed and my vehicle seized by US customes while they searched it.
Turns out, I was profiled. Who exactly do I turn to in such a situation? It's not the headline-grabbing materiel when white cops detain a white motorist as a result of profiling...
A few years ago, hubby and I were "profiled" because we fit the description of a couple wanted for selling drugs in a neighborhood we were visiting, and we were in the same type of car the couple were known to be seen in.
Cops stopped us, came out of their car with guns drawn . . . scary.
They quickly realized we weren't the people they were looking for, apologized, etc. It simply happens on occasion.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:10:31am |
re: #343 reine.de.tout
As far as Gates' "stature", I don't give a flying flip about Gates' stature. It would have been just as difficult of an incident even if Gates wasn't a person of "stature", don't you agree?
My point is that his stature is the reason why it was national news, and not a merely local matter with no coverage at all.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:11:17am |
re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Not that I know of...just kind of pulled that out of nowhere while waiting for Congress to adjourn for the summer.
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jim in virginia Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:12:07am |
re: #305 Slumbering Behemoth
The truly strange part of this is that a serving POTUS went on at length about the incident, offering quantities of opinion and speculation in a press conference that even a city mayor would not indulge in at such an early stage.
And did so at the end of the press conference, after some confusion on who he was caling on. But he got back to Lynn Sweet because he knew she had a question and he REALLY wanted to address it.
It was the most direct answer he gave all night.
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:12:21am |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:12:32am |
re: #350 iceweasel
My point is that his stature is the reason why it was national news, and not a merely local matter with no coverage at all.
And my point is that news coverage is one thing; the President's involvement in a local matter, nationally covered, was inappropriate, imo.
Publicly, he should have remained neutral. Privately, he can contact Gates and offer all the support he wants, I don't care.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:12:39am |
re: #322 reine.de.tout
As far as I have been able to tell, Gates and Obama are friends, or at least close acquaintances. I can understand why Obama would want to be on the side of Gates.
But for the life of me, I cannot recall, in my short thirty :mumble: years, any sitting POTUS speculating at length, without all the the facts, on such an insignificant civil matter, and with such prematurity.
Such banal commentary is not appropriate for the office he holds. His answer seemed like a "high rent" version of a TMZ episode.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:14:16am |
I had a job that took me to some bad neighborhoods.
I was pulled over (profiled) by a very courteous, friendly (yet stern) African American Policeman, who followed me to the two stops I had in that "hood"... sat and waited for me to finish my business and then followed me out to make sure I got out safe.
I've never felt so safe in my life. Profiling was good for me that time.
Don't remember his name... But, "Thanks Officer".
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:14:34am |
re: #356 reine.de.tout
And my point is that news coverage is one thing; the President's involvement in a local matter, nationally covered, was inappropriate, imo.
Publicly, he should have remained neutral.
We'll have to agree to disagree. He was asked a question, he answered it, I don't find anything objectionable or even strange about his answer.
Unfortunately this is what will get all the attention in this news cycle, and distract attention from health care.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:15:08am |
re: #342 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That last gate was nice.
Find the hidden car.
[Link: www.strangecosmos.com...]
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:15:14am |
re: #357 Slumbering Behemoth
As far as I have been able to tell, Gates and Obama are friends, or at least close acquaintances. I can understand why Obama would want to be on the side of Gates.
But for the life of me, I cannot recall, in my short thirty :mumble: years, any sitting POTUS speculating at length, without all the the facts, on such an insignificant civil matter, and with such prematurity.
Such banal commentary is not appropriate for the office he holds. His answer seemed like a "high rent" version of a TMZ episode.
Exactly, I agree 100%.
Any support Obama wanted to offer Gates should have been made privately, if it was important for Obama to do so.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:15:53am |
re: #351 Fenway_Nation
Not that I know of...just kind of pulled that out of nowhere while waiting for Congress to adjourn for the summer.
"No Man's life, liberty, or property is safe while Congress is in session"
-Mark Twain
Good one anyway!
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Bloodnok Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:16:03am |
re: #329 iceweasel
I don't think it's an elitism issue, but there can be a lot of hostility between Harvard and the community. Standard Town vs Gown stuff. And I wouldn't be surprised if that sort of resentment also fueled the officer's arrest.
To me the issue is that I believe an officer has the right to arrest someone who is following them and screaming at them (disorderly conduct) and accusing them of racism. This after being asked to stop and eventually having been warned. I don't believe it matters that the person is "old" or posed no threat of bodily harm to the officer. Disorderly is disorderly.
That said, I do wish the officer had found a way to simply get in his cruiser and drive off. But he didn't and here we are.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:16:22am |
re: #360 iceweasel
We'll have to agree to disagree. He was asked a question, he answered it, I don't find anything objectionable or even strange about his answer.
Unfortunately this is what will get all the attention in this news cycle, and distract attention from health care.
Which is why his response should have been general and non-committal.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:18:23am |
re: #365 reine.de.tout
Which is why his response should have been general and non-committal.
We disagree on that.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:18:25am |
re: #359 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh! BTW... I had to go that neighborhood many more times... always thought of him... escaped completely unmolested... (minds out of gutters there!)...
The "hood" is a very safe place at 9am - 2pm.
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razorbacker Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:19:22am |
Want to play a game of "Can you spot the rich guy?"
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:19:36am |
re: #363 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"No Man's life, liberty, or property is safe while Congress is in session"
-Mark TwainGood one anyway!
While lying in bed before I was wondering, where is the private sector? Every day we're inundated with congress and the White House. We see the same cast of characters over and over again yet we don't see one single "captain of industry" speaking out for the future. I was also wondering if this was because of media coverage or a change in culture. To that end I was trying to compare how we used to see more industrial icons in the past. Otherwise, as it stands now we've almost become a culture of governments and entertainment figures.
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:21:04am |
re: #368 razorbacker
Want to play a game of "Can you spot the rich guy?"
Damn FBV, the wife is a keeper!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:21:27am |
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3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:22:12am |
Good morning.
The market futures point to an open on the upside
It's open season on banks and insurance companies.
Obama Open to Bank Fees for Risks, Surtax for Health-Care Plan
July 23 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama signaled support for a proposal to impose fees on some of the nation’s largest financial firms to cover losses from risky transactions and avert another market meltdown.Obama, at a White House news conference last night, said the U.S. may need a mechanism similar to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. for firms that engage in “some of these other far-out transactions” that put the financial system at risk.
Obama targeted insurance companies, which the administration has worked with periodically in developing legislation, as he defended his drive to create a government- run plan that would help cover the estimated 46 million uninsured Americans. He said that provision would “keep insurance companies honest.”
Profits and Premiums
“At the time when everybody’s getting hammered, they’re making record profits and premiums are going up,” Obama said.
Bottom line is Obama does not want you to be making money, he wants the government to take your money so he can transfer it to his voting base.
Now Obama is moving the goal posts on who will pay for his socialism. It's not just "the rich". :
Obama vowed his health plan won’t add to the deficit and will provide greater stability for families. He said he was open to ideas for helping pay for the overhaul, including a surtax on the wealthiest Americans, those with family incomes of $1 million or more.
“That meets my principle” that the cost of the health- care overhaul is “not being shouldered by families who are already having a tough time,” he said. Obama left open the possibility that some middle-income Americans may have to contribute, saying he would oppose any proposal that is “primarily funded” by taxing that group.
So, the Messiah is deciding for you when you are "having a tough time" and when you are doing well and therefore should be punished. The man is very clearly telling you he thinks achievement should be punished.
I think achievement should be encouraged.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:22:20am |
re: #364 Bloodnok
To me the issue is that I believe an officer has the right to arrest someone who is following them and screaming at them (disorderly conduct) and accusing them of racism. This after being asked to stop and eventually having been warned. I don't believe it matters that the person is "old" or posed no threat of bodily harm to the officer. Disorderly is disorderly.
That said, I do wish the officer had found a way to simply get in his cruiser and drive off. But he didn't and here we are.
For what it's worth, that isn't what Gates' lawyer reports.
Professor Gates then asked the police officer if he would give him his name and his badge number. He made this request several times. The officer did not produce any identification nor did he respond to Professor Gates’ request for this information. After an additional request by Professor Gates for the officer’s name and badge number, the officer then turned and left the kitchen of Professor Gates’ home without ever acknowledging who he was or if there were charges against Professor Gates. As Professor Gates followed the officer to his own front door, he was astonished to see several police officers gathered on his front porch. Professor Gates asked the officer’s colleagues for his name and badge number. As Professor Gates stepped onto his front porch, the officer who had been inside and who had examined his identification, said to him, “Thank you for accommodating my earlier request,” and then placed Professor Gates under arrest. He was handcuffed on his own front porch.
[Link: www.theroot.com...]
Gates wanted his name and badge number, and that is anyone's right. The police work for the community, not the other way around.
I don't think the police have the right to arrest citizens simply because they feel disrespected.
Charges against Gates were dropped on Tuesday, btw.
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:22:42am |
re: #371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Glad to hear it, may there be many more.
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razorbacker Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:23:08am |
My Favorite Brunette
is on TCM.
I'll watch it again, just to see Bing Crosby do his bit in the last scene.
Well, there's my hour of nothing. I'd best get moving about and see what fresh hell awaits.
See ya.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:24:10am |
re: #371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It's our anniversary.
Congratulations FBV! I wish you much joy and many more together!
(BTW, did you try taking more melatonin and did it help?)
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Render Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:24:30am |
To answer the question:
Yes, the police (at least in Maryland), can and will arrest a person for yelling at them, especially if curse words are involved.
Frankly I'm so used to that being common knowledge that I'm rather surprised when people tempt LEO's that way. Haven't they ever seen Cops? Or is that where they learned how to handle themselves around police officers?
"Yes sir that's me in that ID and this is my house. Thank you sir for checking out the call." "Have a nice day officer." End of story.
Instead we're watching a tenured 53 year old professor with a guaranteed six figure a year salary and an axe to grind destroy the career of a young police officer because said professor "felt" insulted and enraged at being treated like one of the rest of us.
I suppose once one has co-authored a book with Cornell West, one can no longer be considered part of the rest of us?
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
AIN'T
NEWS,
R
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:24:31am |
re: #352 Gus 802
Can't sleep, no money, neck hurts, oh joy.
Same here. We should start a clandestine club, and sucker prospective inductees to pay dues so that we can buy beer and tri-tip.
Hell, if we can convince the IRS it's a religion, we won't even have to pay taxes on the sucker money we collect.
You game?
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:25:13am |
re: #378 Slumbering Behemoth
Same here. We should start a clandestine club, and sucker prospective inductees to pay dues so that we can buy beer and tri-tip.
Hell, if we can convince the IRS it's a religion, we won't even have to pay taxes on the sucker money we collect.
You game?
Where do I sign up!
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:25:39am |
re: #373 iceweasel
Gate's lawyer? Wow...thank you for scouring the ends of cyberspace to find these unbiased and unimpeachebale sources.
Wouldn't there have been like...a dozen witnesses by the time this thing came to a head?
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:27:06am |
re: #373 iceweasel
"I don't think the police have the right to arrest citizens simply because they feel disrespected."
I agree. "Contempt of Cop", is not a crime as far as I know and should not be.
I have nothing further too add to this topic.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:28:22am |
re: #380 Fenway_Nation
Gate's lawyer? Wow...thank you for scouring the ends of cyberspace to find these unbiased and unimpeachebale sources.
Wouldn't there have been like...a dozen witnesses by the time this thing came to a head?
I pointed out earlier that there are differences between Gates' account and the officer's account. Do you think it's completely silly to know what Gates' account is? People can read it and make up their own minds. Just like people can read the police reports too. Do you think the police officer is an 'unbiased' account?
I think Gates' neighbour (the one who called 911) might have been a witness to the arrest.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:28:45am |
re: #376 iceweasel
Oh yes! It did help! Thank you very much. Slept like a baby lately! Thanks thanks thanks thanks.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:29:35am |
re: #381 BatGuano
"I don't think the police have the right to arrest citizens simply because they feel disrespected."
I agree. "Contempt of Cop", is not a crime as far as I know and should not be.
I have nothing further too add to this topic.
Same here! Let's go back to Monty Python references, those are more fun. (also more interesting, really) :)
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3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:31:24am |
re: #365 reine.de.tout
Which is why his response should have been general and non-committal.
Obama does not know the specific details of the case, but now he has publicly labeled the officer as behaving "stupidly", using his bully pulpit.
OK, so now let's say the officer gets disciplined. How long do you think it will take his union and attorney to file suit against the municipality, claiming that the officer was denied due process?
If Obama is half as smart as his worshippers on the left think he is, Obama would have said that was a local issue and he had no comment.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:31:48am |
re: #384 iceweasel
Same here! Let's go back to Monty Python references, those are more fun. (also more interesting, really) :)
No it isn't!
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:32:07am |
re: #382 iceweasel
Gate's account (or the one released via his lawyer) was the first one I heard, actually. Set off my Bullshit Detector-o-matic.
Didn't see Crowley's report until last night.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:32:16am |
All this race nonsense is horribly uninteresting and annoying for me...so I think I'll go shower.
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:33:11am |
First I heard of this Gates incident was last night. I've seen him before on PBS many moons ago.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:33:47am |
re: #388 TheMatrix31
It does get tiresome. That is why I've withdrawn myself from it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:33:49am |
re: #372 3 wood
Morning Wood! I said this yesterday regarding Pelosi's statement about squeezing hospitals...
They could be squeezed a bit. Since a hospital administrator makes 20x the amount of a lady in housekeeping, and many doctors make more than a hospital administrator, an LPN makes more than an RN, and a pharmacist makes more than a guy in maintenance... a lot of money could be saved simply by inserting "fairness" into the mix.
I forgot a very important thing there. Please allow me to add it here.
"///"
I think you thought I was serious. It was meant to be farcical sarcasm.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:34:11am |
re: #385 3 wood
Scrolling through the comments of the Boston Globe and Boston Herald earlier, and apparently 0bama's weighing in isn't going over too well in the bluest part of the bluest state...
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:34:57am |
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:35:03am |
re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Heheh...you said 'morning wood'.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:35:47am |
re: #388 TheMatrix31
All this race nonsense is horribly uninteresting and annoying for me...so I think I'll go shower.
You're going to take a 3 and a half year shower?
/
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:35:48am |
re: #385 3 wood
Obama does not know the specific details of the case, but now he has publicly labeled the officer as behaving "stupidly", using his bully pulpit.
OK, so now let's say the officer gets disciplined. How long do you think it will take his union and attorney to file suit against the municipality, claiming that the officer was denied due process?
If Obama is half as smart as his worshippers on the left think he is, Obama would have said that was a local issue and he had no comment.
I agree.
Comments from the President on a local incident, when all the details cannot yet be known, regardless of how widely reported the incident was due to the "stature" of Gates, sets off a whole chain of events that aren't good.
I think Obama's comments just gave a green light to anyone wanting to act in a disorderly way toward cops; and an incentive to cops to ignore reports of potential break-ins in neighborhoods where persons of "stature" live.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:36:20am |
re: #377 Render
...we're watching a tenured 53 year old professor with a guaranteed six figure a year salary and an axe to grind destroy the career of a young police officer because said professor "felt" insulted and enraged at being treated like one of the rest of us.
That is the impression that I am currently getting from this. Not so much racism on the part of the law, but smug elitism on the part of Gates. We'll learn more as more facts trickle in.
Nice spotting you, R. Rock on.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:36:37am |
re: #383 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh yes! It did help! Thank you very much. Slept like a baby lately! Thanks thanks thanks thanks.
Oh great! So glad to hear that!!
Melatonin is terrific. I don't like taking pills for anything and I'm suspicious of all the sleep aids especially-- so many are habit forming or just don't work well. Melatonin is the only thing that helps me reset my sleep schedule and deal with jet lag and time zone changes. A friend's mom recommended it to me; she's a doctor so I trusted her. So glad I did!
re: #387 Fenway_Nation
Gate's account (or the one released via his lawyer) was the first one I heard, actually. Set off my Bullshit Detector-o-matic.
Didn't see Crowley's report until last night.
We're the opposite! again! (i know, what a surprise, right?) I heard about this not long after it happened and read the police report a while ago.
Didn't even see Gates' lawyer's statement til today.
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3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:37:44am |
More poll data:
Obama Approval 49% Among U.S. Investors, 87% Overseas
President Barack Obama has rock- star appeal among the investing class -- except in his own country.The Quarterly Bloomberg Global Poll of financial investors and analysts finds attitudes about the new president in Asia and Europe are overwhelmingly positive. In the U.S., by contrast, they are slightly negative.
In Europe and Asia, 87 percent of respondents say they view Obama positively, compared with just 49 percent in the U.S. His standing among American investors is even lower on economic matters: only a quarter of U.S. poll
respondents rate his economic policies as “good” or “excellent,” compared with more than half in Europe and Asia.Obama’s “stratospheric favorability ratings” outside the U.S. after five months in office are related to attitudes about his predecessor, former President George W. Bush, says J. Ann Selzer, the president of Selzer & Co., a Des Moines, Iowa-based polling firm that conducted the survey.
“It speaks as much to the visceral distaste for George Bush outside of the U.S,” she says. In Europe and Asia, more than four of five poll respondents choose Obama over Bush as the president offering better economic leadership. In the U.S., investors pick Bush, 43 percent to 41 percent.
Draw you rown conclusions.
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jim in virginia Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:38:00am |
re: #343 reine.de.tout
Ore: #360 iceweasel
I don't find anything objectionable or even strange about his answer.
Unfortunately this is what will get all the attention in this news cycle, and distract attention from health care.
And Obama knows that. He could have deflected the question. He didn't.!
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3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:39:15am |
re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I think you thought I was serious. It was meant to be farcical sarcasm.
I figured that out later and posted an apology to you. I thought maybe you had lost your mind or was taken over by aliens.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:40:09am |
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:43:29am |
re: #377 Render
Instead we're watching a tenured 53 year old professor with a guaranteed six figure a year salary and an axe to grind destroy the career of a young police officer because said professor "felt" insulted and enraged at being treated like one of the rest of us.
Sgt. Crowley isn't that young- he was a campus policeman at Brandeis when he tried unsuccesfully reviving NBA forward Reggie Lewis.
Aside from the age, I mostly concur.
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3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:43:29am |
re: #396 reine.de.tout
Comments from the President on a local incident, when all the details cannot yet be known, regardless of how widely reported the incident was due to the "stature" of Gates, sets off a whole chain of events that aren't good.
I have experience with labor arbitration cases (which is what any discipline against this office will end up being). Obama just handed the officer an open and shut case of denial of due process and a walk, even if the officer truly deserved some discipline.
I don't know what happened there, neither does anyone else here. We are relying on the statements of people biased on both sides, not witnesses under oath.
Therefore, I have no comment on the situation itself.
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jim in virginia Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:44:04am |
Gus, you're not having a very good day are you?
Need to be off to work. Play nice lizards.
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:44:26am |
So yeah. Gates. Another layer on the Obama Administration Crisis machine. This time added to the Health Care Crisis.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:44:28am |
re: #401 3 wood
WHEW!
I really admire you... and was about to cry... (well, not cry... but I did think about again).
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:45:06am |
re: #406 jim in virginia
Gus, you're not having a very good day are you?
Need to be off to work. Play nice lizards.
Month actually. Later Jim.
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3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:46:37am |
Got to head to work. Later.
Remember to work hard. A lot of lefties are relying on you to pay for their health care.
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razorbacker Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:47:11am |
I thought of an incident regarding profiling and police/community relations.
A couple of years ago a fellow and I had a disagreement that would not be solved. He got the worse of the disagreement and felt that he could get the sheriff's office involved to harass me a bit. He called the Sheriff and reported that I was a drug dealer, and should be investigated.
The Sheriff took the call courteously, listened to the fellow, and promised to follow up. He then did nothing. As a deputy told me later, the Sheriff's attitude was:
Man has owned his property for over ten years. We have yet to have occasion to visit the man for any reason.
There is no suspicious traffic in or out of his place.
There is no evidence of spending on the various toys that drug dealers usually have. Not even expensive firearms.
There are no guard animals of the type favored by drug dealers. No vicious dogs, etc.
He pays his taxes, and contributes to the community.
I've seen the guy out and about. He has never seemed to be under the influence of any substance, not even alcohol.
Therefore, I'm not wasting valuable police resources to investigate where no cause exists, other than the word of someone who doesn't seem to like the man. That isn't enough.
Profiling works. It works both ways.
Okay. Now I'm gone.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:47:55am |
re: #409 Sharmuta
Because the news is being manipulated for political advantage?
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:48:48am |
You know what might help improve police-community relationships?
If we stopped persecuting people for a plant.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:49:28am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:49:43am |
re: #414 razorbacker
Funny thing is... Razorbacker is actually Pablo Escobar!
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:50:26am |
In other news, Sanford is off on a two week European vacation with his wife and sons.
The SC paper is really hammering him.
Sanford work days52: The number of business days Sanford has either been on vacation or had no official duties on his calendar this year.
1 to 3: The ratio of Sanford's vacation days or days with no scheduled duties to work days.. There have been 148 work days in 2009. On 52 of those days the governor either has been off or had no scheduled duties.
10: The number of days Sanford has worked beginning with his secret trip to Argentina. There have been 25 business days during that span, including a day off for Independence Day.
[Link: www.thestate.com...]
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:51:24am |
re: #419 iceweasel
Oh noes! Don't tell me he's screwing around on his Argentine mistress!
/
| 421 |
razorbacker Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:52:07am |
re: #418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Man. You don't have to tell everything that you know.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:52:12am |
re: #419 iceweasel
"Hey honey! Let's go on vacation! Where do you want to go?"
"Where can we go that is really really far from Argentina?"
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:52:35am |
re: #419 iceweasel
In other news, Sanford is off on a two week European vacation with his wife and sons.
The SC paper is really hammering him.[Link: www.thestate.com...]
I hope he stays in Europe and steps down from his job.
He won't of course.
But he should.
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:52:57am |
re: #417 BatGuano
Obama: Crisis! Don't tell Gibbs!
Hey, watched a movie before on Hulu with Keenan Wynn (Bat Guano). It's with Robert Mitchum too, Man in the Middle.
[Link: www.hulu.com...]
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:54:05am |
Ah-ha! I am live and back at work. Well, partially alive, wait until the caffeine infuses my blood cells. Once again good morning all.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:54:49am |
re: #417 BatGuano
I just realized! You're nic is in a cheer! (Written by George Carlin)!
Rat shit! Bat shit!
Dirty old twat!
Sixty-nine assholes tied in a knot!
Hooray! Lizard Shit! Fuck!
| 428 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:55:46am |
re: #419 iceweasel
Ice:
Advantage, yours.
There was a man upon the stair,
The little man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today.
How I wish he'd go away.
| 429 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:56:04am |
re: #425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hiya Toots!
FBV!
How do you like this story?
Dead shark left in Miami street after failed sale
MIAMI (AP) -- The body of a shark was left lying in the middle of downtown Miami street after two men tried to sell it to several fish markets.
The men apparently carried the five or six-foot-long fish around on the city's Metromover downtown train, prompting calls to police.
They carried the shark around on the train. Nobody tried to stop them?
How weird is that.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:56:37am |
So I hear Obama is now Judge and Jury in the Cambridge thing? Figures.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:57:15am |
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:57:41am |
The more Sanford stays in the headlines, the more I can take the opportunity to brag about this hot Argentine girl I hooked up with...like a decade ago.
/Picture a sultry latina telenovella starlet...dressed in the most frumpy and unflattering clothes in the America's.
| 433 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:57:45am |
FUCK! SHIT! GAWT-DAMNIT!
The details of the Gates thing are not even fully in. We don't know SHIT other than piddly accounts from either side.
It could turn out that Gates was a total DICK and was rightfully arrested, or that the CPD were total DICKS and wrongfully arrested him.
At this point, this is not of much importance. It will all come out in the wash.
What is of major FUCKING importance is the tone OUR PRESIDENT took on this matter. He prematurely speculated at great length on this insignificant civil matter, soft-pitched some racist implications, and basically crapped all over the "post-racial" meme that was a big part of his campaign.
That bit right there, that's the FUCKING JUICE! Not what Gates did, not what the CPD did, but what OUR PRESIDENT said about the incident on national television, and how he framed it.
| 434 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:57:47am |
| 435 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:58:42am |
More crazy news:
Man claims he found condom in French onion soup
ew.
SANTA ANA, Calif. – A man has sued a local Claim Jumper restaurant claiming he ordered French onion soup and bit into a condom instead of melted cheese. Zdenek Philip Hodousek filed the lawsuit Tuesday in Orange County Superior Court seeking unspecified damages over fears he may have contracted a disease.
Hodousek's attorney Eric Traut said his client wants to have restaurant employees' DNA tested to find a match to the condom.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:59:14am |
re: #433 Slumbering Behemoth
FUCK! SHIT! GAWT-DAMNIT!
The details of the Gates thing are not even fully in. We don't know SHIT other than piddly accounts from either side.
It could turn out that Gates was a total DICK and was rightfully arrested, or that the CPD were total DICKS and wrongfully arrested him.
At this point, this is not of much importance. It will all come out in the wash.
What is of major FUCKING importance is the tone OUR PRESIDENT took on this matter. He prematurely speculated at great length on this insignificant civil matter, soft-pitched some racist implications, and basically crapped all over the "post-racial" meme that was a big part of his campaign.
That bit right there, that's the FUCKING JUICE! Not what Gates did, not what the CPD did, but what OUR PRESIDENT said about the incident on national television, and how he framed it.
The reports I read don't paint such a nice picture of Gate's behavior. And he never produced any ID.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:59:54am |
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:00:09am |
re: #435 reine.de.tout
More crazy news:
You think that's bad I just found a meerkat in my hot cocoa.
//
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:00:37am |
re: #430 Nevergiveup
Apparently I'm a bigot for giving the benefit of the doubt to a veteran police officer rather than an egocentrict douchebag left-wing whackademic.
/I learned alot tonight.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:01:20am |
Where is this "outrage" being fanned? We're focusing on this? Srsly?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:01:33am |
| 442 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:01:35am |
re: #438 Gus 802
Someone found a deep fried chicken head in a bucket of KFC near where I live. Everyone freaked out.
Where do they think chicken meat comes from?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:02:03am |
re: #435 reine.de.tout
More crazy news:
Yeesh. They used to call condoms "french letters", but I don't think they meant that!
| 444 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:02:11am |
re: #439 Fenway_Nation
Apparently I'm a bigot for giving the benefit of the doubt to a veteran police officer rather than an egocentrict douchebag left-wing whackademic.
/I learned alot tonight.
I hesitated to mention Gate's wacky reputation.
| 445 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:02:20am |
Oh...and if you ever want to burglarize any homes on Ware St. in Cambridge, this is probably as good a week as any.
/
| 446 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:02:56am |
Ha, our three dogs outside barking, I look out door, they are barking at a brown bear, sauntering alone our fence line and up and across the road... good puppies.
| 447 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:03:51am |
re: #445 Fenway_Nation
Only if you are...never mind. I swore I wouldn't.
| 448 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:03:53am |
re: #409 Sharmuta
Why do I have the urge to watch 'Wag the Dog'?
Um... I was young and I needed the money. I'm not proud of it, but if gives you urges, I guess that's cool.
/wait, are we talking about the same thing?
| 449 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:03:56am |
re: #446 Walter L. Newton
Ha, our three dogs outside barking, I look out door, they are barking at a brown bear, sauntering alone our fence line and up and across the road... good puppies.
What, do you keep moving further away from civilization?
| 450 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:04:14am |
re: #443 iceweasel
Yeesh. They used to call condoms "french letters", but I don't think they meant that!
LOL.
I don't think they meant that either.
yech. ew. It's still grossing me out.
| 451 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:04:25am |
re: #439 Fenway_Nation
Apparently I'm a bigot for giving the benefit of the doubt to a veteran police officer rather than an egocentrict douchebag left-wing whackademic.
/I learned alot tonight.
Fenway, I hope you don't think that I've called you a bigot, or suggested that you are, because I have not and I would not.
re: #436 Nevergiveup
And he never produced any ID.
Not true. The officer says Gates produced his Harvard ID; Gates' lawyer says he produced both that and his driver's license.
| 452 |
jacksontn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:04:35am |
re: #439 Fenway_Nation
Apparently I'm a bigot for giving the benefit of the doubt to a veteran police officer rather than an egocentrict douchebag left-wing whackademic.
/I learned alot tonight.
FN ... Good Morning ... didn't he say something about "he could be shot" ... I cannot remember his exact words ... kinda like Shelly saying he could be shot going to the gas station? ... for a President to get up there and say the officers acted "stupidly" was a slap in the face to all police officers ... he should have said he did not wish to comment on the incident ... or something to like that ... he makes me sick ...
| 453 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:05:57am |
re: #452 jacksontn
President took sides? wow.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:06:09am |
re: #443 iceweasel
Yeesh. They used to call condoms "french letters", but I don't think they meant that!
Condoms were also called in the 19th century a "French Overcoat". Those French seemed to be in forefront of all things sexual.
| 455 |
opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:06:30am |
Good Morning. I missed the presser threads last night.
Did Obama bomb or what?
| 456 |
JacksonTn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:06:44am |
re: #453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
President took sides? wow.
FN ... well, he did first say he was friends with Gates ... just sayin ...
| 458 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:08:07am |
re: #451 iceweasel
Not you, iceweasel...When I go back to that bluest of blue states, I'm sure certain relatives will jump all over me for being on the 'wrong' side of this issue.
| 459 |
notamolly Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:08:10am |
re: #196 littleoldlady
I just don't know who to send that little tidbit to first...
The Octogenarian Idiots in Florida?
My Obama Worshipping Cousins?
My Little Brother? Hmmm..."Dear Dummy,
You and your wife are overweight and sedentary. Better schedule those hip replacements NOW..."
My mother. She just survived a bout of cancer. And voted for that POS.
| 460 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:09:12am |
Good morning, Jax'n!
Things going well today?
| 461 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:09:23am |
re: #457 Gus 802
Al Sharpton is whistling as we type.
Funny thing? He's whistling the "Theme to a Summer Place".
(couldn't think of a "whiter" tune for him to be whistling...)
| 462 |
JacksonTn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:09:47am |
re: #460 reine.de.tout
Good morning, Jax'n!
Things going well today?
Reine ... Hey! .. yes just getting ready to get some work done ...
| 463 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:10:00am |
re: #455 opnion
Good Morning. I missed the presser threads last night.
Did Obama bomb or what?
If you ask me, yeah. Ask iceweasal, no. And that's all I got to say about that (In Alabama accent)
| 464 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:10:20am |
re: #449 Nevergiveup
What, do you keep moving further away from civilization?
Like I have been mentioning here for the last two months, I was planning a move about 26 mile southwest of Golden, where I was living, up into the Rocky Mountains with my girlfriend. I am now there, at 8000 feet (it's 52 degrees currently). It's only 28 minutes ride back to Golden to work (the live theatre), and she has 3 dogs, 2 cats and lots of local wildlife, including bears. Maisey the Parrot moved with me. One of the dogs (the dingo, sheep dog mix) wants to eat her. The cats are afraid of Maisey and the other two dogs (a husky and a chow mix) want to play with Maisey.
Rocky Mountain High.
| 465 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:10:21am |
re: #462 JacksonTn
Reine ... Hey! .. yes just getting ready to get some work done ...
Work?
What is this "Work"?
| 466 |
Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:10:35am |
re: #461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Funny thing? He's whistling the "Theme to a Summer Place".
(couldn't think of a "whiter" tune for him to be whistling...)
Is that a cheery tune? I was picturing whistling a cheery song. /
| 467 |
JacksonTn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:10:57am |
re: #465 reine.de.tout
Work?
What is this "Work"?
Reine ... we call it "feeding the tax man" around here ...
| 468 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:11:04am |
re: #454 BatGuano
Condoms were also called in the 19th century a "French Overcoat". Those French seemed to be in forefront of all things sexual.
I never knew that!
I seem to remember that gonorrhea or was it syphilis? was called 'the french disease" by the British, and "the English disease" by the French. :)
edit: wikipedia says something different:
as Fracastoro notes, syphilis had been called the "French disease" in Italy and Germany, and the "Italian disease" in France. In addition, the Dutch called it the "Spanish disease", the Russians called it the "Polish disease", the Turks called it the "Christian disease" or "Frank disease" (frengi) and the Tahitians called it the "British disease".
Wiki says it's because it was spread by foreign sailors, but I think it's probably slightly more xenophobic reasons as well. No one would want to think of syphilis as 'their' disease, after all.
| 469 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:11:07am |
re: #452 jacksontn
0bama's not worried about the Fraternal Order of Police endorsement (he got along just fine without them last year).
| 470 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:11:34am |
re: #449 Nevergiveup
What, do you keep moving further away from civilization?
Nah, the wilderness keeps moving closer to him.
| 471 |
JacksonTn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:11:57am |
re: #469 Fenway_Nation
0bama's not worried about the Fraternal Order of Police endorsement (he got along just fine without them last year).
FN ... no .. he does not need them ... he is "owned" by the SEIU ...
| 472 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:12:17am |
re: #467 JacksonTn
Reine ... we call it "feeding the tax man" around here ...
hahaha!
well, not really, it's probably too accurate to be a laughing matter.
| 473 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:12:17am |
Wilders: Calculate cost of immigrants
When Geert Wilders first brought up what he called "the cost of multiculturalism" in the Dutch parliament last year, he got mostly laughs. Wilders claimed non-Western immigration had already cost the Netherlands 100 billion euros and speculated about how that money could have been put to better use. Every elderly person could have had his or her own room in a nursing home, Wilders suggested; we could all have retired at 50, "or we could have given everybody in the Netherlands a free sailboat." [How about letting people keep their own money, Euroboy? -ed.]
But now his Party for Freedom's (PVV) is taking the matter up again in a more serious manner: PVV member of parliament Sietse Fritsma has requested a cost-benefit analysis of the presence of non-Western immigrants or 'allochtonen' (see insert) in the Netherlands from all twelve Dutch ministries.
The demonization of "the other" marches on.
| 474 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:13:12am |
Wilders: Calculate cost of immigrants
When Geert Wilders first brought up what he called "the cost of multiculturalism" in the Dutch parliament last year, he got mostly laughs. Wilders claimed non-Western immigration had already cost the Netherlands 100 billion euros and speculated about how that money could have been put to better use. Every elderly person could have had his or her own room in a nursing home, Wilders suggested; we could all have retired at 50, "or we could have given everybody in the Netherlands a free sailboat." [How about letting people keep their own money, Euroboy? -ed.]
But now his Party for Freedom's (PVV) is taking the matter up again in a more serious manner: PVV member of parliament Sietse Fritsma has requested a cost-benefit analysis of the presence of non-Western immigrants or 'allochtonen' (see insert) in the Netherlands from all twelve Dutch ministries.
The demonization of "the other" marches on.
Link now included- SORRY!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:13:29am |
re: #466 Gus 802
Is that a cheery tune? I was picturing whistling a cheery song. /
Oh, okay. Howabout this...
"If I Were a Rich Man"? Too Jewish?
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VioletTiger Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:13:37am |
re: #453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
President took sides? wow.
I was surprised to hear that. Just heard the clip since I was on the plane at the time. It also sounded like he rehearsed that question, imo.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:13:55am |
re: #451 iceweasel
Not true. The officer says Gates produced his Harvard ID; Gates' lawyer says he produced both that and his driver's license.
Not showing his place of residence and after a lengthy altercation and diatribe from what I heard
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:14:05am |
re: #468 iceweasel
Wiki says it's because it was spread by foreign sailors, but I think it's probably slightly more xenophobic reasons as well. No one would want to think of syphilis as 'their' disease, after all.
Syphilis originated in the Americas. The early explorers brought it to Europe.
My source is Guns, germs and Steel by Jared Diamond.
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opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:14:09am |
re: #463 BatGuano
If you ask me, yeah. Ask iceweasal, no. And that's all I got to say about that (In Alabama accent)
He needed a home run last night & he didn't get it.
I love how he is now trying to make missing the August recess deadline is now his choice.
We have an immature snake oil salesman in the White House.
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:14:12am |
re: #475 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, okay. Howabout this...
"If I Were a Rich Man"? Too Jewish?
Perfect!
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:17:01am |
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:17:29am |
Crappy! Charge against Roanoke neo-Nazi leader Bill White dismissed
Long known for dancing along the line between free speech and illegal threats, Roanoke neo-Nazi leader William A. White has won the first round of his bout with the federal government.
In an opinion issued Tuesday in Chicago, U.S. District Court Judge Lynn Adelman dismissed a charge that White used his Web site to encourage violence, ruling that his actions were protected by the First Amendment.
Keep in mind this asshole threatened Charles too.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:17:44am |
re: #478 BatGuano
I read that!
Guess I'll have to begin scratching my chin thoughtfully, looking smart...
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:18:07am |
re: #478 BatGuano
Syphilis originated in the Americas. The early explorers brought it to Europe.
My source is Guns, germs and Steel by Jared Diamond.
Yes--excellent book. I lent it to someone and never got it back. :(
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Panhandler Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:18:58am |
re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I read that!
Guess I'll have to begin scratching my chin(s) thoughtfully, looking smart...
FTFY
| 489 |
Irish Rose Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:19:07am |
Good morning, lizards.
I see that our President opened a big can of worms.
The blogs should be hot today.
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unreconstructed rebel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:19:19am |
Another non-air-conditioning day in North-Central Virginia, thanks to Algore's prescience - NOT.
Mornin' all.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:19:26am |
re: #482 Fenway_Nation
That's kind of a small, piddling detail overlooked.
Does the Harvard ID Gates supposedly showed have his home adress?
No, it doesn't. HU ID's have photos but no address.
The officer admits that he believed Gates lived there though.
| 493 |
Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:19:56am |
re: #489 Irish Rose
Good morning, lizards.
I see that our President opened a big can of worms.
The blogs should be hot today.
The stars are aligned!
//
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:20:27am |
re: #486 iceweasel
That was your mistake. Don't lend it. It is a great reference book. Flawed but great.
| 496 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:21:56am |
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JacksonTn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:21:58am |
If Obama thinks we should stop paying for things that don't make us healthy ... does that mean McDonalds will be forced out of business? ... where will this crap end ... oh and turn off your AC too unless you live in the White House ...
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Irish Rose Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:22:21am |
re: #493 Gus 802
The stars are aligned!
//
I'd gossip about it at the water cooler, if I had a water cooler to gossip at.
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opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:22:29am |
Don't ever take a kid to the Doctor for a sore throat. According to Obama even if it's allergies the evil Doctor will remove his tonsils just to run up the bill.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:23:02am |
re: #436 Nevergiveup
The reports I read don't paint such a nice picture of Gate's behavior. And he never produced any ID.
I've read a smattering of reports that favor either side of this issue, most state that he did provide ID.
But the problem I see here is that folks will be caught up in the details (meaningless or otherwise) of this insignificant civil case, and completely ignore the premature and racially tinged commentary of our sitting President on this matter broadcasted on national television.
As I said before, that is where the fucking juice is. Not in Gates v. Cambridge (or whatever it will be called), but in our President's premature speculation on this small, local, civil matter.
Cheesy bit characters on TV crime shows wouldn't even jump out ahead of the facts on such an insignificant case like this.
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unreconstructed rebel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:24:04am |
re: #489 Irish Rose
Good morning, lizards.
I see that our President opened a big can of worms.
The blogs should be hot today.
He is trying to play the community organizer instead of the leader.
/Imagine organizing the likes of Teddy Kennedy or Nancy Pelosi.
| 502 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:24:04am |
re: #499 opnion
I missed that part...actually, I missed all of it.
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:24:21am |
re: #497 JacksonTn
If Obama thinks we should stop paying for things that don't make us healthy ... does that mean McDonalds will be forced out of business? ... where will this crap end ... oh and turn off your AC too unless you live in the White House ...
Now that you mention AC I ran across an article in the NY Times this morning about a bunch of urban yuppies not using AC for the summer -- and making it sound like the trendy thing to do. It's coming.
| 504 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:24:39am |
re: #501 unreconstructed rebel
He couldn't organize Ted Kennedy's colostomy bag...
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SasquatchOnSteroids Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:26:08am |
re: #503 Gus 802
Now that you mention AC I ran across an article in the NY Times this morning about a bunch of urban yuppies not using AC for the summer -- and making it sound like the trendy thing to do. It's coming.
Good for them. More juice for me to burn a hole in the atmosphere.
/evil white dood cackling
| 506 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:26:43am |
re: #503 Gus 802
Now that you mention AC I ran across an article in the NY Times this morning about a bunch of urban yuppies not using AC for the summer -- and making it sound like the trendy thing to do. It's coming.
Media still trying to convince us we're all oh so much happier being poorer than we were a year ago.
| 507 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:26:46am |
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opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:27:11am |
re: #502 Fenway_Nation
I missed that part...actually, I missed all of it.
You really missed nothing. He avoids the question & just tosses out stats to try to look like the smartest kid in the room.
You ask him A & he answers B.
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:27:36am |
re: #506 reine.de.tout
Media still trying to convince us we're all oh so much happier being poorer than we were a year ago.
Yeah, the austerity trend.
| 510 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:28:14am |
re: #509 Gus 802
Hey...I'm livin' the dream w/ funemployment!
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Irish Rose Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:28:57am |
re: #501 unreconstructed rebel
He is trying to play the community organizer instead of the leader.
/Imagine organizing the likes of Teddy Kennedy or Nancy Pelosi.
I have a HUGE problem with the way that Irish people are profiled and unfairly targeted for bar fights and drunk driving. It's been going on for decades, but Washington is absolutely silent in the face of this rampant bigotry.
Where's the justice?
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:29:22am |
re: #458 Fenway_Nation
Not you, iceweasel...When I go back to that bluest of blue states, I'm sure certain relatives will jump all over me for being on the 'wrong' side of this issue.
I hear you. In my family, no gathering is complete without a huge, blazing, political argument.
Next time you go back there, if you want I'll feed you some good criticisms of Obama from the left, to spring on any Obama-loving relatives just to help keep them on their toes. :)
| 513 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:30:23am |
"I don’t know – not having been there and not seeing all the facts – what role race played in that, but I think it’s fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two that he Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home," Obama said in response to a question from the Chicago Sun-Times's Lynn Sweet.
Gates, Obama allowed, "is a friend, so I may be a little biased here. I don't know all the facts."
So he admits he doesn't know all the facts, but still claims the police acted stupidly.
This comment is beneath the office of president. Not only is he prejudging the police, he is saying he doesn't know all the facts, AND he admits he could be biased. Not a smart comment to make, and I am surprised Obama said it.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:31:38am |
re: #511 Irish Rose
I have a HUGE problem with the way that Irish people are profiled and unfairly targeted for bar fights and drunk driving. It's been going on for decades, but Washington is absolutely silent in the face of this rampant bigotry.
Where's the justice?
No justice, Rose.
I'm German-Irish.
It was the German side of the family that ran a bar but drank away all the profits and had to sell it.
| 516 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:32:15am |
re: #512 iceweasel
Actually, I attributed some Bill Clinton and Al Gore quotes about Iraq during their administration awhile back, but simply said 'president' and 'vice-president'...and they assumed I was talking Bush/Cheney
Furious spinning ensued...
| 517 |
unreconstructed rebel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:32:22am |
re: #500 Slumbering Behemoth
As I said before, that is where the fucking juice is. Not in Gates v. Cambridge (or whatever it will be called), but in our President's premature speculation on this small, local, civil matter.
Cheesy bit characters on TV crime shows wouldn't even jump out ahead of the facts on such an insignificant case like this
.
Remember, this is the bunch that can't let a good crisis go unwasted.
/garlic-headed, pandering son-of-a-bitch.
| 519 |
BatGuano Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:33:05am |
Good night, Iceweasal (my ideological nemesis, but cultural counterpart). GOODNIGHT LIZARDS!
| 520 |
opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:33:50am |
re: #511 Irish Rose
I have a HUGE problem with the way that Irish people are profiled and unfairly targeted for bar fights and drunk driving. It's been going on for decades, but Washington is absolutely silent in the face of this rampant bigotry.
Where's the justice?
I hear ya. I'm Irish & that kind of negative imagery drove me to drink.
| 521 |
Irish Rose Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:34:30am |
re: #513 VioletTiger
So he admits he doesn't know all the facts, but still claims the police acted stupidly.
This comment is beneath the office of president. Not only is he prejudging the police, he is saying he doesn't know all the facts, AND he admits he could be biased. Not a smart comment to make, and I am surprised Obama said it.
What you said, the fool should have kept his mouth shut.
This is going to backfire in his face in a big way, PD's all over the country are going to step up to the plate on this one and it's not going to be pretty. Expect a grovelling apology later today.
| 522 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:34:40am |
Good morning lizards!
Just in case you missed this last night...
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:34:42am |
re: #516 Fenway_Nation
Actually, I attributed some Bill Clinton and Al Gore quotes about Iraq during their administration awhile back, but simply said 'president' and 'vice-president'...and they assumed I was talking Bush/Cheney
Furious spinning ensued...
Hee! Good one!
You can definitely do the same with Obama and Bush this year, about warrentless wiretapping, indefinite detention, etc. Much hilarity for you and much spinning for them when they try to justify what Obama does while condemning Bush for the exact same thing.
| 524 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:35:44am |
re: #511 Irish Rose
I have a HUGE problem with the way that Irish people are profiled and unfairly targeted for bar fights and drunk driving. It's been going on for decades, but Washington is absolutely silent in the face of this rampant bigotry.
Where's the justice?
I'm offended by the Notre Dame mascot. Fight against the stereotypes!
| 525 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:35:48am |
re: #519 BatGuano
Good night, Iceweasal (my ideological nemesis, but cultural counterpart). GOODNIGHT LIZARDS!
Bye Bat! Love ya muchly.
| 526 |
unreconstructed rebel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:36:56am |
Time to go walk the newest member of the family. Later, y'all.
| 527 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:37:15am |
By the way... business is boomin... a few production issues so money's a little short right now... but, dayam!
I'm really good though.
| 528 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:37:56am |
re: #527 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
By the way... business is boomin... a few production issues so money's a little short right now... but, dayam!
I'm really good though.
You selling lots of kitchens?
| 529 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:38:09am |
time to go meet the day! head held high! chin's flappin' in the breeze!
| 530 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:38:11am |
re: #457 Gus 802
Al Sharpton is whistling as we type.
Heh. He was on Jimmy Kimmel tonight. Straight of the bat, Jimmy comments on how Al is so much thinner than he used to be.
Al replies with something to the effect that during the Bush economy, there was very little food to be had.
Like that [millions of swear words that can not even be pronounced by feeble human tongues] has missed a single meal in the last thirty years.
I'll even bet that dandy ponce hasn't had baloney or plain mac & cheese touch his lips in more than thirty years.
| 532 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:38:20am |
re: #522 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards!
Just in case you missed this last night...
What a scary thought. Think of all the little Ron Paul-bots they could make.
| 533 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:39:00am |
| 534 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:39:05am |
| 535 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:39:21am |
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Render Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:40:03am |
Bwaha!
Henry Louis Gates by Franklin Foer
We'd remember Franklin Foer as the "editor" behind the Scott Thomas Beauchamp story.
*Must resist common metaphor*
===
Amending my previous comment on the unworthy subject.
The police officer is older then I thought (ty Fenway). Given his record he's also quite clearly not a racist.
Gates makes considerably more then six figures a year. More like high seven figures or more considering all the book, film, and editing deals he's involved in.
*whew* now I'll never be picked for that jury...
NEXT!?!,
R
| 537 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:40:17am |
re: #523 iceweasel
Hee! Good one!
You can definitely do the same with Obama and Bush this year, about warrentless wiretapping, indefinite detention, etc. Much hilarity for you and much spinning for them when they try to justify what Obama does while condemning Bush for the exact same thing.
For me, that's proof both sides could stand to be more intellectually honest.
| 538 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:41:28am |
re: #531 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
yep.
Great! Good to see the economy hasn't affected your job so far.
| 539 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:42:05am |
re: #482 Fenway_Nation
That's kind of a small, piddling detail overlooked.
Does the Harvard ID Gates supposedly showed have his home adress?
Doubt it
| 541 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:43:18am |
re: #538 NJDhockeyfan
Well... I'm not where I was two years ago... but... things are going pretty well... when the back-log unjams... oh baby...
| 542 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:43:42am |
re: #529 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
time to go meet the day! head held high! chin's flappin' in the breeze!
Every day is a brand new day. Git 'er done, FBV.
| 543 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:44:09am |
Well, folks, I have to go "make groceries", as the saying goes around here.
See ya'll later!
| 545 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:46:00am |
re: #537 Sharmuta
For me, that's proof both sides could stand to be more intellectually honest.
It's proof that Obama has the same policies as Bush in those areas.
| 546 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:47:24am |
Clinton Says North Korea 'Has No Friends Left'
Secretary of state says U.S. will continue to insist that North Korea return to the bargaining table and verifiably dismantle its nuclear program.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Yeah except for China which is really the only friend they need. But nice try Hilliary?
| 547 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:48:35am |
| 548 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:48:40am |
re: #545 iceweasel
It's proof that Obama has the same policies as Bush in those areas.
Yes- we have made plenty of jokes at the koslings' expense because of it.
| 549 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:49:45am |
re: #545 iceweasel
It's proof that Obama has the same policies as Bush in those areas.
I should amend this-- from the standpoint of people interested in civil liberties like me, Obama is actually worse than Bush. At least Bush/Cheney were open about what they were doing. I'm not the first progressive or person on the left to make that point, either.
| 550 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:50:35am |
"Right now, doctors a lot of times are forced to make decisions based on the fee payment schedule that's out there. ... The doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself, 'You know what? I make a lot more money if I take this kid's tonsils out,'" Obama told a prime-time news conference.
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
Ah fuck you Obama, Doctors are more ethical than Politicians, especially those from Chicago.
| 551 |
Irish Rose Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:50:54am |
Speaking of jobs, lizards:
I'm currently a top candidate for an administrative position with the city. There were over 500 resume submissions for this position, and the review committee selected five candidates out of this pool. I'm one of them.
I'm going in for written exams next Wednesday.
This is a fantastic position with great pay and benefits.
If any of you pray, I'd sure be appreciative if you'd send one up on my behalf.
| 552 |
scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:54:07am |
re: #551 Irish Rose
This is a fantastic position with great pay and benefits.
If any of you pray, I'd sure be appreciative if you'd send one up on my behalf.
Will do, {Rose}.
Morning, Lizard Clan!
| 553 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:55:00am |
re: #551 Irish Rose
Speaking of jobs, lizards:
I'm currently a top candidate for an administrative position with the city. There were over 500 resume submissions for this position, and the review committee selected five candidates out of this pool. I'm one of them.
I'm going in for written exams next Wednesday.
This is a fantastic position with great pay and benefits.
If any of you pray, I'd sure be appreciative if you'd send one up on my behalf.
WooHoo!
I was the only one hired out of 43 applicants. It feels great, doesn't it?
| 555 |
tfc3rid Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:56:31am |
Hey folks... Been away for a while...
Watched the Idiot in Chief last night show he has no basic understanding of health care at all...
This scheme is a classic redistribution of wealth policy and it's obvious to anyone not blinded by Hope and Change. He's a dangerous, dangerous man, brought up by and around dangeroud principles with dangerous friends. He is a danger to all of us and his policy is making us more and more like neutered Europe and it's working.
There is no free lunch. Sadly, a lot of foks just see that...
In addition, the press is even worse than they were in the campaign. They asked no relevant follow up questions to press him on the issue. All he did was spew the pre-programmed talking points. If the press wants to do their job, they really need to force the President of the United States to answer a G-d damned question.
| 556 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:56:40am |
re: #442 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Someone found a deep fried chicken head in a bucket of KFC near where I live. Everyone freaked out.
Where do they think chicken meat comes from?
The store?
| 558 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:57:04am |
re: #549 iceweasel
I should amend this-- from the standpoint of people interested in civil liberties like me, Obama is actually worse than Bush. At least Bush/Cheney were open about what they were doing. I'm not the first progressive or person on the left to make that point, either.
Explain how this works. For two years (recently) I read "The Nation," which is considered to be a progressive magazine (yes/no). And many of the articles I read in that magazine certainly was gear to the "collective," the removable of a lot of individual civil liberties, in favor of group rights, group concerns, in the least a soft socialism.
Two contributing reporters even file a long article about their trip and investigation of Venezuela about a year after Chevez took rule. They had nothing but praise for his reforms, and I mean the dictatorial and socialistic reforms he has wrought.
So, my overall question is this. When you, as a progressive, speak of civil liberties, are you talking about civil liberties as we have known them in this country, or the move collective liberties of the flavor of "The Nation?"
| 559 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:57:25am |
re: #555 tfc3rid
Great comment, glad to have ya back, and sorry about your team.
| 560 |
tfc3rid Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:58:00am |
Could he also have been more disingenuous? Doctors will take a test then send you for another and another...
Seriously, what is wrong with a redundant battery of tests you idiot?
'I have a doctor following me around, so this doesn't apply to me...' Bite me.
| 561 |
tfc3rid Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:59:26am |
re: #559 Nevergiveup
Great comment, glad to have ya back, and sorry about your team.
They really need to clean house... I know they won't but they really need to start from scratch... Hire a brilliant GM mind like a Paul DePodesta to run BB operations and break up the siesta squad.
| 562 |
gatorbait Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:59:31am |
The heavens declare the glory of God. The expanse shows his handiwork. Ps19.1
That is a statement of Intelligent Design. It is a compelling argument. I would not, however, suggest that this is a SCIENTIFIC ARGUMENT. It is a religious argument. If it is taught in public high schools, which is OK with me, it should be taught as a matter of philosophy, not verifiable fact. Where is the big deal here?
| 563 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:00:08am |
re: #560 tfc3rid
Could he also have been more disingenuous? Doctors will take a test then send you for another and another...
Seriously, what is wrong with a redundant battery of tests you idiot?
'I have a doctor following me around, so this doesn't apply to me...' Bite me.
Hum:" doctors will take a test then send you for another and another.."
Ever hear of tort reform asshole?
| 564 |
Irish Rose Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:02:15am |
re: #553 NJDhockeyfan
WooHoo!
I was the only one hired out of 43 applicants. It feels great, doesn't it?
Well, I'm doing very well in the process but I don't have the job yet.
The Michigan economy being what it is, I've learned not to get my hopes up too soon. You save yourself a lot of heartache that way.
| 565 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:03:05am |
re: #555 tfc3rid
Hey folks... Been away for a while...
Watched the Idiot in Chief last night show he has no basic understanding of health care at all...
This scheme is a classic redistribution of wealth policy and it's obvious to anyone not blinded by Hope and Change. He's a dangerous, dangerous man, brought up by and around dangeroud principles with dangerous friends. He is a danger to all of us and his policy is making us more and more like neutered Europe and it's working.
There is no free lunch. Sadly, a lot of foks just see that...
In addition, the press is even worse than they were in the campaign. They asked no relevant follow up questions to press him on the issue. All he did was spew the pre-programmed talking points. If the press wants to do their job, they really need to force the President of the United States to answer a G-d damned question.
That's what bothered me the most. Let's say that a national health care program would work, let's just assume that.
Ok, but the medical facts, figures, concepts and so on that I heard him spewing were so far from actual reality of the whole business, both on the financial and the medical level.
I've worked in hospitals (IT, patient care), I've worked for software firms writing and developing hospital and patient management software (I still do occasional piece meal software work for Kaiser) and a lot of what I heard him saying last night sounded like it was coming from someone who had no real grasp on our current health care system, from the operational end to the actual care end.
I could go into the boring details, especially on his comment about "patient record management," which is is totally off base, to actual medical process and procedure, but in short, this man has no clue, really.
And he is leading the pack on this. Bullshit.
| 566 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:03:22am |
re: #564 Irish Rose
Feel for you. I have family in west Michigan. Thankful that my uncle is a doctor. As for my cousins...
| 567 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:05:22am |
re: #558 Walter L. Newton
So, my overall question is this. When you, as a progressive, speak of civil liberties, are you talking about civil liberties as we have known them in this country, or the move collective liberties of the flavor of "The Nation?"
I'm talking about the various infringements on civil liberties made in service of the "war on terror". BTW, many here would certainly not have that issue, and these are probably some of the only decisions Obama has made which most here would support. I'm not especially interested in debating that here (for one thing, it's very unlikely that I would change anyone's mind on the topic) --but I am interested in pointing out the hypocrisy of people on the left who hated Bush for these policies/decisions, yet have no problem with Obama when he continues those policies or makes similar decisions.
I don't read much in the Nation, but what you're describing doesn't sound like something I'd support.
| 568 |
tfc3rid Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:05:23am |
re: #565 Walter L. Newton
Watching last night made me think more than ever that this guy really is an Affirmative Action hire but 'powers that be'...
| 569 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:07:06am |
re: #565 Walter L. Newton
That's what bothered me the most. Let's say that a national health care program would work, let's just assume that.
Ok, but the medical facts, figures, concepts and so on that I heard him spewing were so far from actual reality of the whole business, both on the financial and the medical level.
I've worked in hospitals (IT, patient care), I've worked for software firms writing and developing hospital and patient management software (I still do occasional piece meal software work for Kaiser) and a lot of what I heard him saying last night sounded like it was coming from someone who had no real grasp on our current health care system, from the operational end to the actual care end.
I could go into the boring details, especially on his comment about "patient record management," which is is totally off base, to actual medical process and procedure, but in short, this man has no clue, really.
And he is leading the pack on this. Bullshit.
I think the bits about medical records comes from the fact that one of his big buddies, GE, is heavily into the medical records organizing/automating business. Just my guess.
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Charpete67 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:07:26am |
why did the reporter ask him about a black man being arrested?...isn't that kind of like Boxer showing the black business leader studies and position statements from the "million black men" and NAACP?
Obama should have shot back at the reporter - "are you asking me this because I am black?"
| 571 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:09:59am |
Dangit Lizards. Y'all have kept me up too early. Now, instead of sleeping, I must slog off and make some coffee. Why you...
And I was saving this link to "Roll" someone with, but since it went viral just about the minute it hit the net, making it old news now, whats the point?
For anyone who hasn't seen it yet, here it is.
Later Lizards.
| 572 |
tfc3rid Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:10:10am |
re: #570 Charpete67
why did the reporter ask him about a black man being arrested?...isn't that kind of like Boxer showing the black business leader studies and position statements from the "million black men" and NAACP?
Obama should have shot back at the reporter - "are you asking me this because I am black?"
She knew she was going last... It was the item to leave everyone with... The last thing people remember...
And he answered it like Sharpton or Jesse Jackson would have... I don't know the facts but the cops are to blame.
| 573 |
badger1970 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:10:23am |
re: #521 Irish Rose
Since when has bo ever apologized to anyone? He couldn't give a rat's rump about offending cops in general, else, why would he have said it? Next thing, expect Gates and bo walking hand-in-hand in public.
I missed my calling as a race baiter, but then again, I can look at myself in the mirror and not flinch.
| 574 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:10:49am |
Good morning y'all - from a moderate (70 degrees going up to 88 degrees) but rainy and HEAVY rain stroms predicted for Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?
| 575 |
scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:12:40am |
re: #574 realwest
Morning, real...how are you today?
| 576 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:12:55am |
re: #574 realwest
Good morning realwest. Things are going well here. We also have rain up here. It's good, been a little dry for the past week so we can use it. Unfortunately they are calling for rain for the whole week.
| 577 |
legalpad Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:13:23am |
re: #574 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a moderate (70 degrees going up to 88 degrees) but rainy and HEAVY rain storms predicted for Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?
Up, coffee, hoping for rain here.
| 578 |
elevenbravo1969 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:15:20am |
re: #570 Charpete67
So, when a cop sees a man with a backpack putting his shoulder to a door in the middle of the night, the cop's first thought is (in Obama-world)...'poor guy locked himself out'.
Wonderful.
| 579 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:15:26am |
re: #575 scottishbuzzsaw
Good morning {scotti}! I'm tired cause LGF kept me up until about 2 AM today, but I'm going to the dentist this afternoon and that will interuppt my afternoon nap, so I'll be really EXHAUSTED by tonight's LGF! LOL!
How are you doing?
| 580 |
saylorfam Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:15:28am |
I had the tV on as the President began his hard sell for the Health Care nightmare. It was touted as a "news conference" but I may as well have been watching QVC putting the hard sell on me for some capodimonte chotchka they were selling. Step right up and get your free healthcare! It is a limited time offer, the large print giveth and the small print taketh away! My apologies to Tom Waits. I just can't believe there are so many uninformed people in this Country. Then they ask the question about the police activity in Cambridge, was it ...racist...Was the question a red herring designed to draw everyone off the real issue of who is going to pay for this bag of cats? WAKE UP PEOPLE!
| 581 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:16:52am |
re: #576 BlueCanuck
Good morning Blue - rain for a whole week? Wow, we need the rain here (althought we did have some pretty heavy rain and T-Storms here overnight) but I sure hope it's not a weeks worth!
How are you doing?
| 582 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:17:13am |
re: #578 elevenbravo1969
So, when a cop sees a man with a backpack putting his shoulder to a door in the middle of the night, the cop's first thought is (in Obama-world)...'poor guy locked himself out'.
Wonderful.
And when you get pulled over by a cop, make sure you get indignant,loud, and difficult because that usually works so much better than "Yes Sir" and "No Sir"?
| 583 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:17:32am |
re: #574 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a moderate (70 degrees going up to 88 degrees) but rainy and HEAVY rain stroms predicted for Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?
Morning real. How are you today? We've got the same clouds and muggies up here.
| 584 |
Irish Rose Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:18:21am |
Morning realwest, plz see my #551... prayer list request.
| 585 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:18:46am |
re: #577 legalpad Hoping for rain? Well after our deluge this afternoon (which, oddly enough, they are predicting to strart about half an hour before I have to go to the dentist!) I'll be glad to send you ours!
What's new with you Blue?
| 586 |
3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:19:13am |
Sports Nerd Corner:
Former Sox pitcher Jim Parque confesses: Why I juiced
Former Sox pitcher Jim Parque says he's sorry he juiced, but he wants to ask you one question: What would you have done?
Parque was rag-armed lefty who hung around the majors for a few years. He hurt his arm and was released by the White Sox and then took HGH when he was trying to make a come back and be good enough to at least play in the minors.
This is a common story and if the truth were known, a lot of athletes cut corners in order to pursue the dream, especially when they see other guys cheating and getting away with it.
I threw spitters and scuff balls in college. I started doing it when guys hit long homers off me with obviously corked bats (yes, I'm that old) and the home plate umpires you got on the road were relatives of the other teams manager and shrank your strike zone to the size of a saucer.
Back in my day, there was no such thing as HGH or steroids in use. It was stimulants to get up for the game and pain killers to recover and be able to play while hurt. I remember one time they put some race horse pain killer on my shoulder and I immediately tasted garlic in my mouth. I took 6 pain killer injections in one month in order to play.
I think that this story supports the findings of the Mitchell report, and there are a whole lot more of this going on out there than the average person on the street might suppose.
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Charpete67 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:19:16am |
re: #578 elevenbravo1969
So, when a cop sees a man with a backpack putting his shoulder to a door in the middle of the night, the cop's first thought is (in Obama-world)...'poor guy locked himself out'.
Wonderful.
imagine if the cop just took his word for it and then it turned out the guy was breaking in to the professor's house...
here is the video of the cop interview - [Link: www.myfoxboston.com...]
| 588 |
scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:19:32am |
re: #579 realwest
Good morning {scotti}! I'm tired cause LGF kept me up until about 2 AM today, but I'm going to the dentist this afternoon and that will interuppt my afternoon nap, so I'll be really EXHAUSTED by tonight's LGF! LOL!
How are you doing?
LGF has a way of doing that! And you have my sympathies regarding dental visit; hope it goes well...perhaps you should tuck yourself in early tonight?
All's going pretty well in the SBS household. Husband has a meeting with another recruiter today. We'll see.
| 589 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:19:48am |
re: #581 realwest
Well, I just rechecked the forecast. No rain for a week, but close enough. Temperatures are still about 5 degrees celsius below normal...
| 590 |
Erik The Red Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:20:59am |
Good morning Lizards. Hope everyone slept better than I did :(
-106 rating in the bottom comments. Is this a record? And the dumbass has only made 4 comments.
| 591 |
KenJen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:21:38am |
re: #587 Charpete67
imagine if the cop just took his word for it and then it turned out the guy was breaking in to the professor's house...
here is the video of the cop interview - [Link: www.myfoxboston.com...]
Obama picks the wrong side as usual.
| 592 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:22:12am |
re: #590 Erik The Red
Morning Erik, and no not a record. He needs about another 300+ to beat the former troll with the record.
| 593 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:22:14am |
re: #583 VioletTiger
Good morning VioletTiger - Yeah, I don't mind the damn rain, but the run-up to it is always cloudy, muggy and miserable!
Hey are you (or anyone else) having problems with the LGF Strike, Bold and whatnot buttons again (or still)? Page seems to roll an inch or so, after I highlight the word(s) and go to hit the Italics button, then I get nothing, then I gotta hit the Italics button again! Is it me or is it microsoft?!
| 594 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:22:42am |
the reporter on the local Boston fox news just made a great point...Obama said he didn't want to rush to judgment that rev Wright was a racist and wanted to give the good rev. the benefit of the doubt, but when it comes to a white cop, he will gladly rush to judgment.
| 595 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:24:30am |
Romanian mayor has apologized for dressing up in a Nazi uniform with a swastika insignia, saying in an open letter Thursday that he is not a fascist or anti-Semite.
He said the uniform was a reference to the film "Valkyrie," in which Tom Cruise plays Col. Claus Graf Schenk von Stauffenberg,
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Yeah because the movie was such a roaring success, that is what everybody would have thought?
| 596 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:24:50am |
re: #584 Irish Rose
Good morning Irish Rose - already taken care of - I usually read several comments, at least, before I come on line, saw yours and your appointment/test next Wednesday and changed The List before I even said good morning!
Personal prayers going up for you - I sure do wish you the very best Rose! And you've already come SO FAR! Woot! one of 5 applicants still standing is impressive!
| 597 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:25:24am |
re: #593 realwest
Good morning VioletTiger - Yeah, I don't mind the damn rain, but the run-up to it is always cloudy, muggy and miserable!
Hey are you (or anyone else) having problems with the LGF Strike, Bold and whatnot buttons again (or still)? Page seems to roll an inch or so, after I highlight the word(s) and go to hit the Italics button, then I get nothing, then I gotta hit the Italics button again! Is it me or is it microsoft?!
Let's see, bold, and strike through.
| 598 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:25:27am |
re: #594 Charpete67
the reporter on the local Boston fox news just made a great point...Obama said he didn't want to rush to judgment that rev Wright was a racist and wanted to give the good rev. the benefit of the doubt, but when it comes to a white cop, he will gladly rush to judgment.
Well considering what "Church" he has attended the last 20 years?
| 599 |
KenJen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:26:40am |
re: #594 Charpete67
the reporter on the local Boston fox news just made a great point...Obama said he didn't want to rush to judgment that rev Wright was a racist and wanted to give the good rev. the benefit of the doubt, but when it comes to a white cop, he will gladly rush to judgment.
I'll bet the Harvard Prof. get a Czar position. Police Brutality Czar?
| 600 |
Erik The Red Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:27:28am |
re: #592 BlueCanuck
Morning Erik, and no not a record. He needs about another 300+ to beat the former troll with the record.
Well we could always pimp for him/her to get it just like we did for lol's birthday :)
| 601 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:28:56am |
re: #586 3 wood
Hey, good morning 3 wood! Do you remember a pitcher for the Pirates "Doc" somebody or other? He used to take SPEED - no lie and no joke - before going out to pitch and if he had miscalculated the catcher would tell the manager (after watching Doc's fastball fly over the net!) and the Manager would make Doc come in and take a downer? Or maybe it was the pitching coach. Used to get Bullpen up and throwing before 4th inning started cause the downers used to affect Doc A LOT more than the speed did!
| 602 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:29:50am |
Morning all,
Hey 3W came pretty close to his over under on o's press interview. Hey must have blamed Bush 6 times or more plus countless ummms, errs, and even the obligatory "deficit neutral" that I predicted.
How is everyone and what are ya all talking about this morning? Hey real, how are you today buddy? LGF kept you up till 2 AM, this damn blog is addicting for sure. We need to keep coming back to our lizard overlord for our daily fix. ha
| 603 |
Irish Rose Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:30:11am |
re: #596 realwest
Good morning Irish Rose - already taken care of - I usually read several comments, at least, before I come on line, saw yours and your appointment/test next Wednesday and changed The List before I even said good morning!
Personal prayers going up for you - I sure do wish you the very best Rose! And you've already come SO FAR! Woot! one of 5 applicants still standing is impressive!
Thanks, realwest.
| 604 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:30:21am |
re: #588 scottishbuzzsaw
Ah {scotti} what kind of word is your husband looking for, if you don't mind me asking?
| 608 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:32:40am |
It's just a matter of time before some dem makes that argument that opposing the presidents health care plan is racist because black people don't have access to health care like white people do.
| 609 |
KenJen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:33:49am |
re: #595 Nevergiveup
Romanian mayor has apologized for dressing up in a Nazi uniform with a swastika insignia, saying in an open letter Thursday that he is not a fascist or anti-Semite.
He said the uniform was a reference to the film "Valkyrie," in which Tom Cruise plays Col. Claus Graf Schenk von Stauffenberg,
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Yeah because the movie was such a roaring success, that is what everybody would have thought?
My liberal brother in law wanted to take my 5 year old nephew to that movie. My liberal sister put her foot down and said no way. He is in no way an anti-semite but it blows my mind that he could not see how inappropriate it is to take a child to that kind of movie.
| 610 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:33:59am |
re: #551 Irish Rose
Good luck Rose, I'm rooting for you! (well with my luck that may be a bad thing - just kidding)
| 611 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:34:22am |
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 29% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-six percent (36%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -7 (see trends).
Thirty-one percent (31%) now say the U.S. is heading in the right direction. That’s down nine points from the 2009 peak. Investor confidence is at the lowest level since March. Fifty-three percent (53%) of investors believe the economy is getting worse while just 26% say it is getting better.
Fifty-three percent (53%) now oppose the Congressional health care reform package. That’s up eight points over the past month. Just 20% now see health care as the most important of the President’s priorities. Nearly twice as many, 37%, say deficit reduction is most important.
| 612 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:34:50am |
re: #604 realwest
Ah {scotti} what kind of word is your husband looking for, if you don't mind me asking?
That word would be a job real.
/
| 614 |
Desert Dog Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:36:04am |
re: #609 KenJen
My liberal brother in law wanted to take my 5 year old nephew to that movie. My liberal sister put her foot down and said no way. He is in no way an anti-semite but it blows my mind that he could not see how inappropriate it is to take a child to that kind of movie.
The 5 year old would have either a)slept the entire time or b)continuously asked "Is it over yet?". I am a 46 year old man with a degree in history and keen interest in World War II and I thought that movie was dull and boring.
| 615 |
KenJen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:36:24am |
re: #602 turn
Morning all,
Hey 3W came pretty close to his over under on o's press interview. Hey must have blamed Bush 6 times or more plus countless ummms, errs, and even the obligatory "deficit neutral" that I predicted.
How is everyone and what are ya all talking about this morning? Hey real, how are you today buddy? LGF kept you up till 2 AM, this damn blog is addicting for sure. We need to keep coming back to our lizard overlord for our daily fix. ha
Thank goodness the drinking game didn't include the phrase "Let me be clear". Many a Lizard would have a killer hangover today.
| 616 |
3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:36:30am |
re: #551 Irish Rose
If any of you pray, I'd sure be appreciative if you'd send one up on my behalf.
Done.
| 617 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:37:08am |
re: #602 turn
Hey turn! Good morning. I didn't watch it -saw some House Hunter repeats on HGTV instead but according to Al Reuters, Obama said we need to get his health care plan to get the economy going again!
No one asked him, apparently, how laying off virtually all the workers in private medical insurance is gonna get the economy going again.
Oh and btw, last weeks unemployment numbers were again over 500,000 - more than 30,000 folks were first time filers than most economists and the Administration had guessed.
I wish I had known that a reason for Obamacare was to get the economy going again!
/
| 618 |
Desert Dog Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:37:11am |
re: #611 NJDhockeyfan
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 29% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-six percent (36%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -7 (see trends).
Thirty-one percent (31%) now say the U.S. is heading in the right direction. That’s down nine points from the 2009 peak. Investor confidence is at the lowest level since March. Fifty-three percent (53%) of investors believe the economy is getting worse while just 26% say it is getting better.
Fifty-three percent (53%) now oppose the Congressional health care reform package. That’s up eight points over the past month. Just 20% now see health care as the most important of the President’s priorities. Nearly twice as many, 37%, say deficit reduction is most important.
Perhaps that explains why Obama wants everything passed NOW, eh?
| 619 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:37:26am |
100 Things Your Kids May Never Know About
[Link: www.wired.com...]
| 620 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:38:29am |
re: #615 KenJen
Thank goodness the drinking game didn't include the phrase "Let me be clear". Many a Lizard would have a killer hangover today.
Morning jen, ha he did say that many times. Those reporters asked some pretty darn good question imo. Overall o came across pretty good for a lying sack of s$%^.
| 621 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:38:43am |
Good Morning, {all y'all}
Hope everyone is having a good day so far.
| 622 |
scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:38:53am |
re: #604 realwest
Ah {scotti} what kind of word is your husband looking for, if you don't mind me asking?
Systems engineer for defense aviation/aerospace industries.
| 623 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:40:41am |
I've figured out a way for the GOP to win back some seats and maybe even the WH. It's really complicated, so hang on to your hat.
GOP say: "People want to get back to work - so our plane is to reduce, permanently, ALL tax rates." (Including those for the vilified "rich")
This will turn the economy around - not the dismal old ideas of the socialist left.
| 627 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:42:54am |
re: #625 redstateredneck
How they gonna pass that, frog?
It's a campaign promise. They have to win back some seats before anything can be passed.
| 628 |
3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:43:08am |
re: #570 Charpete67
why did the reporter ask him about a black man being arrested?...isn't that kind of like Boxer showing the black business leader studies and position statements from the "million black men" and NAACP?
Obama should have shot back at the reporter - "are you asking me this because I am black?"
I suspect that the question was a set up and pre-arranged by the White House.
| 629 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:43:10am |
re: #623 FrogMarch
I've figured out a way for the GOP to win back some seats and maybe even the WH. It's really complicated, so hang on to your hat.
GOP say: "People want to get back to work - so our plane is to reduce, permanently, ALL tax rates." (Including those for the vilified "rich")
This will turn the economy around - not the dismal old ideas of the socialist left.
If the recovery plan had been to eliminate all income taxes for 3 to 6 months, the economy would be on the way to recovery by now. But that would not have funded the Dem pet projects or put enough money in the pockets of the people not paying any taxes already
| 630 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:43:13am |
re: #611 NJDhockeyfan
Yeah, just got my copy of Rasmussen as well. What the hell is wrong with these people, don't they know that it's all Bush's fault? I mean, he steamrollered the Congress in '06 and '07 cause the Republicans didn't want to cross their own sitting Presi...uh, hold on a sec [puts hand over microphone, leans towards lawyer and listens to lawyer "whaddya mean it was a Democrat controlled congress in 07 and 08? Well for ] just another sec folks! [cryin' out loud, there goes our whole gameplan! You stupid lawyers and your facts, facts, facts!] uh, thank you Mr. Chairperson but on advice of counsel I can't say anyhing else!
| 631 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:43:54am |
| 632 |
KenJen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:44:25am |
re: #620 turn
Morning jen, ha he did say that many times. Those reporters asked some pretty darn good question imo. Overall o came across pretty good for a lying sack of s$%^.
I didn't make it to the reporters. I got so teary-eyed over the poor college student who had appendicitis and had a $10,000 medical bill./
| 633 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:44:32am |
re: #613 midwestgak
Hey there {gak} how are you doing today? Sure hope you're not part of the typo police (casts grim look at turn) this morning?
| 634 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:44:40am |
re: #617 realwest
I kept telling the turnwife how the hell does he think a new government plan is going to fix the two friggin broken government plans that already exist. This whole this is crazy, but I'm uneasy because I think he's got everybody duped. Good to see you up and about real.
| 635 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:45:15am |
re: #627 FrogMarch
It's a campaign promise. They have to win back some seats before anything can be passed.
Okay, I gotcha!
| 636 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:46:24am |
re: #629 VioletTiger
If the recovery plan had been to eliminate all income taxes for 3 to 6 months, the economy would be on the way to recovery by now. But that would not have funded the Dem pet projects or put enough money in the pockets of the people not paying any taxes already
It's easy to see the dems are not that interested in real economic recovery. They are too obsessed with making sure the successful get knocked down.
and yes- that D's political cronies get all sorts of pay-to-play tax-payer funded moola.
| 637 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:46:42am |
re: #633 realwest
Hey there {gak} how are you doing today? Sure hope you're not part of the typo police (casts grim look at turn) this morning?
What did I miss?
| 638 |
Irish Rose Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:47:22am |
BTW, did you all keep up on the latest post over at Defenseman?
Hilarious!
| 639 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:47:22am |
re: #626 Desert Dog
Want to feel old?
irq's - man I used to get so frustrated. I even remember when 6k was a lot of memory.
| 640 |
badger1970 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:47:37am |
re: #615 KenJen
"Let me be clear." Is a scolding reference to people you aren't buying his baloney. It's definitely elitist talk, like a parent who isn't getting through to their child.
| 641 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:48:25am |
re: #622 scottishbuzzsaw
A Systems engineer for defense aviation/aerospace?
Ah, geez, just when Obama Gates has decided to go with the inferior F-35 and cancel the F-22! Can he change majors? I don't think private jet companies are doing all that well either!
Best wishes for him and for you {scotti}!
| 642 |
KansasMom Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:48:37am |
re: #619 Nevergiveup
100 Things Your Kids May Never Know About
[Link: www.wired.com...]
Ah, a trip down memory lane.
Anybody else remember IRC?
| 643 |
3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:48:41am |
re: #601 realwest
Hey, good morning 3 wood! Do you remember a pitcher for the Pirates "Doc" somebody or other? He used to take SPEED - no lie and no joke - before going out to pitch and if he had miscalculated the catcher would tell the manager (after watching Doc's fastball fly over the net!) and the Manager would make Doc come in and take a downer? Or maybe it was the pitching coach. Used to get Bullpen up and throwing before 4th inning started cause the downers used to affect Doc A LOT more than the speed did!
His name was Doc Ellis and it was worse than that, he dropped acid and smoked a lot of dope before pitching. He pitched a no-hitter on acid.
One time he forgot to geese up before a game and was getting rocked. So between innings he went into the club house and toked up, came out and was his old self again.
| 644 |
FrogMarch Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:49:00am |
| 645 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:49:12am |
re: #640 badger1970
"Let me be clear." Is a scolding reference to people you aren't buying his baloney. It's definitely elitist talk, like a parent who isn't getting through to their child.
It's condescending. He might as well be saying, "Hear me? ? ?" like I did with my kids.
| 647 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:49:57am |
re: #645 redstateredneck
It's condescending. He might as well be saying, "Hear me? ? ?" like I did with my kids.
I don't care how much it costs...I want the expensive blue pill not the stupid red one.
| 648 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:49:59am |
re: #624 FrogMarch
plan? What happened to the plane?! Good morning to you FrogMarch!
| 649 |
Alouenghazi Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:01am |
re: #626 Desert Dog
Want to feel old?
Now I feel really really old because my kids can remember all that stuff.
| 650 |
Desert Dog Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:06am |
I have to stop "Stumbling" it is so addicting...
If you thought Americans were a odd bunch, let's look at our Asian brothers and sisters for inspiration:
| 652 |
3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:24am |
re: #611 NJDhockeyfan
Avanti will soon explain to you why that poll means nothing.
| 653 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:27am |
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Desert Dog Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:32am |
re: #639 turn
irq's - man I used to get so frustrated. I even remember when 6k was a lot of memory.
I remember, sadly, all of that stuff...
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:54am |
re: #644 FrogMarch
and here's the kicker: They must keep the promise!
Or we'll vote those lying sacks of shit out, too!
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FrogMarch Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:58am |
re: #648 realwest
plan? What happened to the plane?! Good morning to you FrogMarch!
Hiya RealWest! The plane crashed into the brain fart - then ricocheted off the coffee mug.
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turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:51:29am |
re: #628 3 wood
I suspect that the question was a set up and pre-arranged by the White House.
I have no evidence of this but I suspect every question was a setup, they probably gave him the question in advance. I was thinking last night if I were president I would walk up to the podium and rip up that list of reporters to call on right in front of everybody just to show I wasn't going to cherry pick questions. Morning 3w, you did a good job on the over/under.
| 658 |
jvic Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:51:59am |
BlueCanuck, a couple of days ago you compared Obama to Trudeau. You logged off before I could respond.
The Trudeau comparison was occasionally made during the campaign but it isn't mentioned much anymore. It should be. Thanks for the reminder.
The American Trudeau. Indeed.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:52:01am |
re: #642 KansasMom
Ah, a trip down memory lane.
Anybody else remember IRC?
Yep, and the best program for it I think was mIRC.
| 660 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:52:18am |
Morning all.
Just looked at the online versions of a few MA newspapers. The coverage of the "stupid" policeman is front page on all of them.
Fortunately, our President is exposing himself as the knee-jerk race-obsessed bloviator that many of us suspected he was from the beginning. I hope he and Sharpton get together and start bellowing through microphones outside the Cambridge Police HQ. That would make a great picture.
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Irish Rose Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:52:28am |
#640 badger1970"Let me be clear." Is a scolding reference to people you aren't buying his baloney. It's definitely elitist talk, like a parent who isn't getting through to their child.
I spit every time he does it.
Arrogant, condescending asshole.
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3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:52:49am |
re: #618 Desert Dog
Perhaps that explains why Obama wants everything passed NOW, eh?
He knows that once the congress critters go home for the break and get hammered by their voters on this, there's no way he can get this through.
Plus the evaluations of his first 6 months economic performance are coming in and it's not good.
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Desert Dog Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:53:14am |
re: #657 turn
Hopefully, even with Obama's hard sell and infomericals, this Healthcare disaster will not pass. Our medical system needs to be tweaked and reformed...not scraped and replaced with something even worse.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:53:26am |
re: #641 realwest
A Systems engineer for defense aviation/aerospace?
Ah, geez, just whenObamaGates has decided to go with the inferior F-35 and cancel the F-22! Can he change majors? I don't think private jet companies are doing all that well either!
Best wishes for him and for you {scotti}!
Thanks, {real} - he's been working the cutting edge for the past 15 years and we're seeing new projects vanish before our eyes. Not a good sign.
He can work anything, but he prefers defense right now because we're at war. If he can't serve anymore, he can support. I'd hate to see him have to leave. It would break his heart.
| 665 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:53:33am |
re: #642 KansasMom
Hey KansasMom, I was just in Kansas this week. Saw lot's of cows!
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JacksonTn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:53:39am |
re: #652 3 wood
Avanti will soon explain to you why that poll means nothing.
3W ... do you have any idea how much it would cost to insure an average worker for small business ... we have been doing some figuring and we come up with it will cost of 500K per year for our employees ... I don't know if we are using wrong figures or not ... where would we go to find out the correct figures for each employee ...
| 667 |
3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:54:13am |
re: #623 FrogMarch
I've figured out a way for the GOP to win back some seats and maybe even the WH. It's really complicated, so hang on to your hat.
GOP say: "People want to get back to work - so our plane is to reduce, permanently, ALL tax rates." (Including those for the vilified "rich")
This will turn the economy around - not the dismal old ideas of the socialist left.
I'd say we should drop the capital gains tax to zero for at least the next 2 years, right now.
| 668 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:54:14am |
re: #632 KenJen
I didn't make it to the reporters. I got so teary-eyed over the poor college student who had appendicitis and had a $10,000 medical bill./
I think you and the turnwife would get along just fine, she got fumed over that bleeding heart BS!
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realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:54:24am |
re: #628 3 wood
Get outta here - Obama wouldn't do that - he doesn't NEED to have set up questions, he knows everything- just ask him!
Hey, didja see my #601? And HOW ARE YOU TODAY!?
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turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:54:41am |
re: #633 realwest
Hey there {gak} how are you doing today? Sure hope you're not part of the typo police (casts grim look at turn) this morning?
hahahaha
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:55:43am |
re: #658 jvic
Thanks for remembering that comment. Those of us with long memories are cursed as Cassandra's at times. The good news is that if your electorate wakes up you only will have 4 years of him, maximum of 8. We were stuck with his legacy for over 14 years I think. Lot of damage done then that we are still feeling over twenty years later.
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legalpad Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:56:10am |
re: #661 Irish Rose
I spit every time he does it.
Arrogant, condescending asshole.
He reflects the hatred and ignorance of many who voted him into office.
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yochanan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:56:40am |
re: #649 Alouette
well i once said to one of my sons you sound like a broken record he really said WHATS A RECORD
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KansasMom Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:56:45am |
re: #665 VioletTiger
Hey KansasMom, I was just in Kansas this week. Saw lot's of cows!
Morning! What brought you to Kansas?
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FrogMarch Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:57:01am |
re: #622 scottishbuzzsaw
Systems engineer for defense aviation/aerospace industries.
Hi Scottishbuzzsaw-- Impressive. Best of luck to him.
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realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:57:40am |
re: #634 turn
"Good to see you up and about real.'
Thanks turn! Glad to be up and about! Don't even mind going to the dentist today cause I'm just getting a permanent crown put in today - no novacane or anything - cept that they changed my appointment to 3PM today from 11AM today so I'll miss my nap today, damnit!
| 677 |
3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:57:46am |
re: #666 JacksonTn
3W ... do you have any idea how much it would cost to insure an average worker for small business ... we have been doing some figuring and we come up with it will cost of 500K per year for our employees ... I don't know if we are using wrong figures or not ... where would we go to find out the correct figures for each employee ...
You can callup an insurance broker and get a pretty good ball park estimate over the phone. It depends on the specifics of the plan, deductibles, prescription card coverage, size of the insured pool, claims history, ect.
I'd start with a very loose estimate of $1,500 per employee per month premium and fine tune from there.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:58:15am |
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VioletTiger Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:58:28am |
re: #674 KansasMom
Morning! What brought you to Kansas?
It was a business trip. I must say I am jealous of your Wichita 'rush hour'. Where the heck were the cars?
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:58:28am |
re: #657 turn
I have no evidence of this but I suspect every question was a setup, they probably gave him the question in advance. I was thinking last night if I were president I would walk up to the podium and rip up that list of reporters to call on right in front of everybody just to show I wasn't going to cherry pick questions.
You could get away with that because you can think on your feet and you tell the truth. Obama can do neither.
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Irish Rose Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:58:33am |
re: #663 Desert Dog
Hopefully, even with Obama's hard sell and infomericals, this Healthcare disaster will not pass. Our medical system needs to be tweaked and reformed...not scraped and replaced with something even worse.
As a moderate Republican, I may disagree with them politically from time to time... but I'm grateful for the presence of the fiscally-conservative Blue Dogs.
They have influence in areas that Republicans can only dream of touching over the next 3 1/2 years.
I rather enjoy watching them kick Obamas' ass to the curb.
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turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:58:53am |
re: #643 3 wood
His name was Doc Ellis and it was worse than that, he dropped acid and smoked a lot of dope before pitching. He pitched a no-hitter on acid.
One time he forgot to geese up before a game and was getting rocked. So between innings he went into the club house and toked up, came out and was his old self again.
No shit, I didn't know that. wow a no hitter on acid, and he was probably seeing like nine fingers from the catcher.
| 684 |
KansasMom Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:59:14am |
re: #664 scottishbuzzsaw
Thanks, {real} - he's been working the cutting edge for the past 15 years and we're seeing new projects vanish before our eyes. Not a good sign.
He can work anything, but he prefers defense right now because we're at war. If he can't serve anymore, he can support. I'd hate to see him have to leave. It would break his heart.
I'm sorry to hear that. I know of a few stress engineers that have been hired recently by Airbus (in Wichita). Other than that, doesn't look like anyone is hiring. Its rough out there.
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KenJen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:59:15am |
re: #667 3 wood
I'd say we should drop the capital gains tax to zero for at least the next 2 years, right now.
I say we do the opposite of whatever Obama wants to do and everything will work out just fine.
| 686 |
scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:59:21am |
re: #675 FrogMarch
Hi Scottishbuzzsaw-- Impressive. Best of luck to him.
Thanks, hon...did you get more coffee yet? Just refilled my cup, hoping nobody makes a funny to cause spewage. ;>)
| 687 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:01:01am |
re: #653 BlueCanuck
re: #626 Desert Dog
I don't know what is scary. Me knowing about all that tech, or me remembering using all that tech. I remember when I was told a 850 meg hard drive would be sufficient for my needs back in 95. Two years later it was full.
I remember paying $480 for my first 240 mb hard drive.
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:01:13am |
What a wonderful display of leadership to hear the President play the race card:
Yesterday, as President Obama condemned the Cambridge Police Department during a prime-time White House news conference and Crowley steadfastly refused to issue the apology that Gates has sought, a fuller picture began to emerge of the 42-year-old sergeant who arrested the Harvard scholar last week on a charge of disorderly conduct on the porch of Gates’s Cambridge house.
Sergeant at eye of storm says he won't apologize
...he stands accused of racism by Gates, one of the foremost scholars on race in America. Gates had just arrived home to his Cambridge house from a trip abroad to find his front door stuck shut. As he and the driver who brought him from the airport tried to push it open, a passerby called police with a report of a possible break-in. Crowley arrived and demanded that Gates, now inside, show him identification. Crowley’s police report said Gates behaved belligerently when he questioned him, which Gates denied. Authorities dropped the charge Tuesday after it ignited accusations of racism.
“I am not a racist,’’ said police Sergeant James Crowley .
Yes, you are so a racist, Sgt. Crowley. One of the "foremost scholars on race in America" has called you a racist and President Obama concurs. Therefore you are a racist. Now prepare for your punishment. Every day of your life, everything you ever said to anybody will be dug up and exposed in the Obamanite media. You will be tarred & feathered and your life will be ruined. The One has spoken.
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3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:01:19am |
re: #657 turn
Morning 3w, you did a good job on the over/under.
Thanks, let's just say I had some practical experience doing that sort of thing as a youth growing up on the streets of Chicago.
| 690 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:02:05am |
re: #681 Irish Rose
As a moderate Republican, I may disagree with them politically from time to time... but I'm grateful for the presence of the fiscally-conservative Blue Dogs.
They have influence in areas that Republicans can only dream of touching over the next 3 1/2 years.I rather enjoy watching them kick Obamas' ass to the curb.
Hopefully 1 1/2 years. All we got to do is gain some seats in the Senate and the Congress to Stall until we can unseat this socialist
| 691 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:03:07am |
re: #590 Erik The Red
Not even by a long shot. Annefrance has -468.
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realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:03:34am |
re: #643 3 wood
YES! Doc Ellis! I repped a couple - photographer and writer who had spent extensive time with the Pirates, doing a book about Stargell that never got published cause they documented several, ah, affairs Willie had had while on road trips and Mrs. Stargell wouldn't like reading abou that!
I have one of 5 copy proofs of that book, btw!
I didn't know he pitched a no-hitter while on acid? Don't remember that from the book either - just the speed and the fear that it induced in the Pirates catchers!
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:04:29am |
re: #691 lawhawk
Not even by a long shot. Annefrance has -468.
Charles has gotten more protective as of late anybody who might challenged that record would probably get the stick before that record could be approached
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turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:04:44am |
re: #663 Desert Dog
Hopefully, even with Obama's hard sell and infomericals, this Healthcare disaster will not pass. Our medical system needs to be tweaked and reformed...not scraped and replaced with something even worse.
After that interview last night I was left with a sinking feeling o is going to pull this one off - a third broken plan to fix the previous two broken federal plans. Yeah right, how's that working out for ya?
| 696 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:04:45am |
re: #652 3 wood
Avanti will soon explain to you why that poll means nothing.
Good morning Lizards. I means he's about where he's been for a few weeks, in the 50's at Rasmussen, high 50's to low 60's on Gallup. If the market keeps going up, he'll go up a bit with it.
| 697 |
KansasMom Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:04:46am |
re: #679 VioletTiger
It was a business trip. I must say I am jealous of your Wichita 'rush hour'. Where the heck were the cars?
Shhh...don't tell anyone!
I actually had a friend visit from New York who complained about our lack of traffic. Said our road system was 'overkill'. We obviously have more roads than we need! Only a New Yorker could spin it that way.
| 698 |
jcm Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:05:17am |
Fit hits the shan in NJ.
Mayors, rabbis arrested in NJ corruption probe
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Two northern New Jersey mayors, several rabbis and other politicians were arrested on Thursday in a federal investigation into public corruption and international money laundering, U.S. authorities said.Among the approximately 30 people arrested were Hoboken Mayor Peter Cammarano, who took office 23 days ago, Secaucus Mayor Dennis Elwell, state Assemblyman Daniel Van Pelt and Jersey City Deputy Mayor Leona Beldini, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office in Newark.
Also arrested in the money-laundering investigation were several rabbis in New York and New Jersey, the federal prosecutor's office said.
The international money-laundering was "high volume," it said.
| 699 |
yochanan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:05:42am |
re: #658 jvic
THE CANADIAN was more qualified and a little less to the left.
| 700 |
legalpad Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:05:46am |
Anybody see Helen Thomas among the press last night?
| 701 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:06:09am |
re: #658 jvic
re: #671 BlueCanuck
I followed jvic's link back to your previous post. But that I have only one Upding to give you!
Trivia note: the honorary pall-bearers at Trudeau's funeral included Jimmy Carter & Fidel Castro. Ugh.
| 702 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:06:32am |
"I have no question that we have the votes on the floor of the House to pass this legislation" - Nancy Pelosi
Liar!
Two key House Dems dispute Pelosi's health care assessment
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Indiana Democrat Baron Hill, a Blue Dog congressman negotiating with leaders on health care, disagreed with Speaker Nancy Pelosi's statement Wednesday that Democrats have the votes to pass health care in the House.
"I think the Speaker was well intended because she was hearing optimistic things, but I don't believe there are the votes on the floor as of right now," he said Wednesday.
Hill said he and other Blue Dogs were meeting again Wednesday night with Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman. Hill said they're "making progress," but still have significant issues to resolve. Nancy Ann DeParle from the White House was involved in an earlier meeting with Blue Dogs, he said.
Michigan Rep. Bart Stupak, who is trying to change the bill to make it clear it would not use taxpayer money for abortions, also disagreed with the Speaker.
"It would be easier to fit a camel through the eye of a needle than to pass this bill," said Stupak.
| 704 |
3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:07:16am |
re: #669 realwest
Hey, didja see my #601? And HOW ARE YOU TODAY!?
Sure, I responded at #643.
Doing fine. Will send you an email later and update you on some things here.
| 705 |
Pianobuff Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:07:38am |
re: #573 badger1970
Since when has bo ever apologized to anyone? He couldn't give a rat's rump about offending cops in general, else, why would he have said it? Next thing, expect Gates and bo walking hand-in-hand in public.
I missed my calling as a race baiter, but then again, I can look at myself in the mirror and not flinch.
He did apologize just the other day... for not looking good enough in tight jeans.
| 706 |
yochanan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:09:04am |
re: #687 turn
remember my kid finding a broken apple and fixing it and getting it to work but it was only in black and green.
| 707 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:09:10am |
re: #688 Kenneth
Yup. You can take Barry out of Rev. Wright's weekly hate sessions, but you can't take the hate sessions out of Barry.
| 708 |
opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:09:36am |
re: #617 realwest
Hey turn! Good morning. I didn't watch it -saw some House Hunter repeats on HGTV instead but according to Al Reuters, Obama said we need to get his health care plan to get the economy going again!
No one asked him, apparently, how laying off virtually all the workers in private medical insurance is gonna get the economy going again.
Oh and btw, last weeks unemployment numbers were again over 500,000 - more than 30,000 folks were first time filers than most economists and the Administration had guessed.
I wish I had known that a reason for Obamacare was to get the economy going again!
/
Good morning Real. The thing was onlty worth watching to see ineptness on display.
He apparently does not have a reverance for the truth. He asserted that the insurance Companies have 25 year old clerks making medical decisions. Nonsence, there are non-clinical benefits specialists.
Medical necesity decisions are performed by nurses using nationaly recognised criteria under supervision of MD's.
An adverse decision can be appealed all the way to an indepenent MD
| 709 |
J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:10:19am |
re: #698 jcm
New Jersey Ledger says it's Syrian rabbis...wonder what they were "laundering".
| 710 |
yochanan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:10:48am |
i wonder if they still sell t-shirts that say 'is decent still patriotic?'
| 711 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:10:55am |
re: #701 Kenneth
Well Trudeau did have a soft part in his head for Fidel. That was before and after the U.S. trade embargo.
| 712 |
Pianobuff Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:11:02am |
re: #708 opnion
Good morning Real. The thing was onlty worth watching to see ineptness on display.
He apparently does not have a reverance for the truth. He asserted that the insurance Companies have 25 year old clerks making medical decisions. Nonsence, there are non-clinical benefits specialists.
Medical necesity decisions are performed by nurses using nationaly recognised criteria under supervision of MD's.
An adverse decision can be appealed all the way to an indepenent MD
My biggest takeaway was the realization that he knows even less about this industry than he does about the auto industry.
| 713 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:11:28am |
re: #650 Desert Dog
ROFL!! Woulda maybe been funnier if I could read Japanese, but great find!
Thanks DD - glad you waste your time so productively so the rest of us can just be slothful!
| 714 |
pingjockey Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:11:38am |
Mornin' Lizards! Another hot one up here in the Northwest! How's everybody doing after the big fib session last night. The 3rd time I shouted at the tube the better half made me change it!
| 715 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:11:40am |
re: #697 KansasMom
Shhh...don't tell anyone!
I actually had a friend visit from New York who complained about our lack of traffic. Said our road system was 'overkill'. We obviously have more roads than we need! Only a New Yorker could spin it that way.
Well, I'm from Jersey and it was rather nice! Even our 'rural' areas have traffic these days.
| 716 |
justabill Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:12:05am |
re: #664 scottishbuzzsaw
Thanks, {real} - he's been working the cutting edge for the past 15 years and we're seeing new projects vanish before our eyes. Not a good sign.
He can work anything, but he prefers defense right now because we're at war. If he can't serve anymore, he can support. I'd hate to see him have to leave. It would break his heart.
The other nice thing about the defense industry is that its hard to outsource. Often requires US Citizenship for a security clearance.
| 717 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:12:20am |
re: #700 legalpad
Anybody see Helen Thomas among the press last night?
She was not on the list, probably deciding to miss it.
| 718 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:12:21am |
re: #676 realwest
"Good to see you up and about real.'
Thanks turn! Glad to be up and about! Don't even mind going to the dentist today cause I'm just getting a permanent crown put in today - no novacane or anything - cept that they changed my appointment to 3PM today from 11AM today so I'll miss my nap today, damnit!
I have two gold crowns. The time they fitted me with my first they somehow blew it and there was this annoying little gap between teeth that would get packed with food every time I ate something. It got so annoying I had it replaced, man you would not believe how they take those things off - they friggin pound them loose. Yeah, it feels like someone is jack hammering on your tooth. Good luck!
| 719 |
Pianobuff Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:12:44am |
re: #715 VioletTiger
Well, I'm from Jersey and it was rather nice! Even our 'rural' areas have traffic these days.
Ex-Jerseyan here (Morris/Sussex county). Beautiful autumns up there.
| 720 |
opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:13:08am |
re: #696 avanti
Good morning Lizards. I means he's about where he's been for a few weeks, in the 50's at Rasmussen, high 50's to low 60's on Gallup. If the market keeps going up, he'll go up a bit with it.
He is getting way to much exposure, daily droning on either on radio , TV or both. People are starting to get his measure.
You heard this one? An empty limousine pulled up to the curb & Obama got out.
| 721 |
Ojoe Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:13:49am |
Today's morning Towercam. San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.
"Paradise is all around us and we do not understand."
—Thomas Merton.
BBL, this evening after chasing work in this economy which is not "fixed."
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3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:14:00am |
Regarding Ellis' no-hitter on acid (well LSD to be specific):
Dock Ellis Says He Pitched 1970 No-Hitter Under The Influence of LSD
Los Angeles, April 8, 1984- Former Pittsburgh Pirates' pitcher Dock Ellis says he was under the influence of LSD when he pitched a 1970 no-hitter against the San Diego Padres.Ellis, now co-ordinator of an anti drug program in Los Angeles, said he didn't know until six hours before his June 12, 1970 no hitter that he was going to pitch.
"I was in Los Angeles, and the team was playing in San Diego , but I didn't know it. I had taken LSD... I thought it was an off-day, that's how come I had it in me. I took the LSD at noon. At 1pm, his girlfriend and trip partner looked at the paper and said, "Dock, you're pitching today!"
"That's when it was $9.50 to fly to San Diego. She got me to the airport at 3:30. I got there at 4:30, and the game started at 6:05pm. It was a twi-night doubleheader.
I can only remember bits and pieces of the game. I was psyched. I had a feeling of euphoria.
I was zeroed in on the (catcher's) glove, but I didn't hit the glove too much. I remember hitting a couple of batters and the bases were loaded two or three times.
The ball was small sometimes, the ball was large sometimes, sometimes I saw the catcher, sometimes I didn't. Sometimes I tried to stare the hitter down and throw while I was looking at him. I chewed my gum until it turned to powder. They say I had about three to four fielding chances. I remember diving out of the way of a ball I thought was a line drive. I jumped, but the ball wasn't hit hard and never reached me."
Doc Ellis died on December 19, 2008.
The Pirates won the game, 2-0, although Ellis walked eight batters. It was the highpoint in the baseball career of one of the finer pitchers of his time, and arguably,one of the greatest achievements in the history of sports.
| 723 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:14:22am |
re: #720 opnion
I hope people really are starting to see the real Obama. The media can only protect him from himself for so long.
| 724 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:14:28am |
re: #678 Mad Al-Jaffee
I would guess a car, bus, plane or train.
Hey you starting a movie pun thread? ha Morning mad!
| 725 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:14:52am |
re: #720 opnion
He is getting way to much exposure, daily droning on either on radio , TV or both. People are starting to get his measure.
And every magazine cover, and even friggin' comic books for pity's sake!
| 726 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:15:00am |
re: #698 jcm
Fit hits the shan in NJ.
Mayors, rabbis arrested in NJ corruption probe
The mayor was arrested only 23 days after taking office? That is remarkable, even by Jersey standards, and a record Chicago would envy.
| 727 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:15:14am |
re: #701 Kenneth
Oh, one good thing you can say about Trudeau. How he stood up to the Rene Levesques and his dreary band of separtists. Of course he probably set the whole Quebecois reconcilliation effort back by decades. Still needed to be done.
| 728 |
Yashmak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:15:43am |
re: #622 scottishbuzzsaw
Systems engineer for defense aviation/aerospace industries.
He's in the same business that I am, although I'm in lightweight bonded assemblies (metalbond and composites), rather than systems.
| 729 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:15:55am |
first part is kind of boring, but the last half of this essay is revealing...the guy is a doctor and a lawyer...says the cost of uninsured care is about 2% of the total cost
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:16:08am |
Quick back, and quick out. With total speculative predictions. Like the horoscope hotlines, without the phone bill.
Long term...
On the Birth Certificate Non-Issue: Team Obama will drag this out and play the nirthers like a cheap, throw-away fiddle. Why interrupt an enemy while they making an embarrassing, vote killing mistake?
Team Obama will pick that ripe fruit the nirthers have served them on a silver platter, sometime between August/November 2012. When the iron is hottest, the Long Form Hammer will strike, and Team Obama will shout "Here it is, bitches! Now what? NOW WHAT?!?"
It will have the same effect on the 2012 (R) candidate that the Tang Memo scandal had on the (D) candidate in 2004.
Short term...
On the Gates/CPD Non-Issue: The debate will be framed, by the willing and unwilling, on the piddly details of how Gates and/or the CPD behaved or did not behave.
Little to no attention will be paid to the President's premature, racialist speculation on a minor civil manner in this supposed "post-racial" Administration.
Later Lizards.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:16:23am |
re: #716 justabill
The other nice thing about the defense industry is that its hard to outsource. Often requires US Citizenship for a security clearance.
True. We just have to worry about defunding, especially during times when the defense of the USA is not popular.
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realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:16:44am |
re: #656 FrogMarch
Oh so that's what that sound was! LOL!
I remember some graffiti from college - on the inside wall of a men's room stall was written each one in different colored ink and different handwriting:
"I love all the grils here at xyu college"!
beneathe which was written:
"that's g-i-r-l-s GIRLS you moron!" beneath which was written:
"oops, sorry, I meant I love all the girls here at college."
Beneath which was this:
"HEY! What about us grils?!"
Ahahahahahaha! Um, well maybe you hadda actually, ya know, see it.
sigh.
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VioletTiger Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:16:51am |
re: #719 Pianobuff
Ex-Jerseyan here (Morris/Sussex county). Beautiful autumns up there.
It is pretty up there.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:17:40am |
re: #660 Lincolntf
Morning all.
Just looked at the online versions of a few MA newspapers. The coverage of the "stupid" policeman is front page on all of them.
Fortunately, our President is exposing himself as the knee-jerk race-obsessed bloviator that many of us suspected he was from the beginning. I hope he and Sharpton get together and start bellowing through microphones outside the Cambridge Police HQ. That would make a great picture.
WBZ radio had an interview with the officer; he came off fine.
And the Herald had this editorial:
Imagine all the facts and all the circumstances identical, but a black police officer instead of a white one. What would have been different?Everything.
The tired professor would have found the strength to hand over his ID without significant objection. The officer would have gone on his way. No angry shouts, no (alleged) “yo mama” comments, no screams so loud they attracted the neighbors, or embarrassing photos of a raging Skip Gates on the front of the Herald.
All changed, not because of a different cop, but a different Professor Gates.
The Gates who greeted Crowley was a racist. And I know, because the professor said so himself.
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Beach Lover Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:17:53am |
Morning, Lizards! Talking about the press conference last night... am I the only one that thought there was a (not so subtle) planted question?! Lynn Sweet is from Chicago and was listed as the last questioner. I hadn't even heard of this case before and doubt many others had as well. This was a way to get his homeys back in line. A little dig at whitey.
Wake up, American! This is our community organizer doing the only thing he knows how to do...pit one group against the other for his own personal agenda.
(I know ...preaching to the choir)
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opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:17:57am |
re: #712 Pianobuff
My biggest takeaway was the realization that he knows even less about this industry than he does about the auto industry.
He is a little light on economics. He says that adding 46 million new members to a national health plan will save money.
He also talked about long waits in the present system. Really, where?
He talked about other countries with socialized medicine being cheaper & the people are just as healthy. I question that , but the right question is do they have similar clinical outcomes? The answer is no.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:18:09am |
| 738 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:18:12am |
Morning, all. I hope no one else here played the Obama Drinking Game last night. Any time he 1) wagged his finger and scolded us, 2) said "Make no mistake about it" or 3) said "the status quo will not stand!" you have to drink. Ouch.
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:18:48am |
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:18:50am |
re: #662 3 wood
He knows that once the congress critters go home for the break and get hammered by their voters on this, there's no way he can get this through.
Plus the evaluations of his first 6 months economic performance are coming in and it's not good.
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3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:18:54am |
re: #688 Kenneth
Now prepare for your punishment. Every day of your life, everything you ever said to anybody will be dug up and exposed in the Obamanite media. You will be tarred & feathered and your life will be ruined. The One has spoken.
You know, that's a great point that I had not thought of. Obama hung a target on this guy's back and you just know that the MSM attack squads are going to go after this guy with everything they have. If he chewed gum in class in grade school we are going to hear about it.
Prepare to watch this police officer get lynched in public, care of the Messiah.
So much for his civil liberties eh?
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opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:19:28am |
re: #723 Lincolntf
I hope people really are starting to see the real Obama. The media can only protect him from himself for so long.
I hear people saying almost daily that they regret their vote.
I wonder what the expected.
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turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:19:45am |
re: #680 midwestgak
Thanks gal, what a nice thing to say. Hey will you all stop and let turn catch up? This friggin black thing I've been holding to my ear and something called "work" has been a huge distraction to my right to LGF. ha
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:20:19am |
re: #736 opnion
He is a little light on economics. He says that adding 46 million new members to a national health plan will save money.
He also talked about long waits in the present system. Really, where?
He talked about other countries with socialized medicine being cheaper & the people are just as healthy. I question that , but the right question is do they have similar clinical outcomes? The answer is no.
Hell, he's already saved us money. He said so himself:
First of all, let's understand that, when I came in, we had a $1.3 trillion deficit -- annual deficit that we had already inherited. We had to immediately move forward with a stimulus package because the American economy had lost trillions of dollars of wealth. Consumers had lost through their 401(k)s, through home values, you name it, they had lost trillions of dollars. That all just went away.That was the day I was sworn in; it was already happening. And we had 700,000 jobs that were being lost. So we felt it was very important to put in place a recovery package that would help stabilize the economy.
Then we had to pass a budget by law, and our budget had a 10-year projection. And I just want everybody to be clear about this. If we had done nothing, if you had the same, old budget as opposed to the changes we made in our budget, you'd have a $9.3 trillion deficit over the next 10 years. Because of the changes we've made, it's going to be $7.1 trillion.
Now, that's not good, but it's $2.2 trillion less than it would have been if we had the same policies in place when we came in.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:20:34am |
re: #736 opnion
People up here are driven to stay healthy. I bet our spending on preventative care in the way of health food products, vitamins, and other things probably out strips Americans. Why? So we don't have to spend hours, days, weeks, months waiting for treatment. Those of us that know our system, fear it.
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Beach Lover Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:20:45am |
re: #714 pingjockey
morning, Ping! yeah, there was some yelling and a few choice words at the TV in the beach household last night as well. :- {
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realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:20:53am |
re: #664 scottishbuzzsaw
Ah gee scotti - I sure hope and pray he's successful in that job hunt then. But perhaps you ought to remind him that the mortgage/rent is due the first of each month so not to automatically reject Non-Defense cutting type jobs!
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:21:43am |
re: #698 jcm
Yes, 30 people arrested including quite a few politicos. We get to play name that party as well, as the only politicians identified by political affiliation are Republicans, even though we know that a bunch are Democrats.
And it all started with a money laundering scam between Syrian Jews in Brooklyn and Deal, NJ. That's how the rabbis are involved. There's probably influence peddling as well. I can't wait to read through those indictments to see who was doing what, and how much money was involved.
The kicker - one of the guys arrested, a GOPer no less, sponsored a bill requiring convicted corrupt officials to pay back the state for legal costs.
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dwells38 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:21:55am |
re: #500 Slumbering Behemoth
I think you make a good point. I'm pretty sure that Gates felt pissed off and inconvenienced and was rude and uncooperative. And I'm pretty sure the cop was authoritative and impatient and didn't feel like treating this guy nice after being verbally abused by him. The cop was taking his professional right to arrest an uncooperative person to the extreme to be a prick back to this guy who was being a prick to him. Just two stubborn people used to being in charge butting heads.
Obama should have realized this and kept himself neutral. Too quickly he has now gone out on a limb and taken sides against the cop who already this morning has said he'd do the same thing again and did not act inappropriately. So right away Obama positions himself in the camp of elitists against the working class cop. He THINKS he's safely in the black victim camp but has misjudged yet again. As POTUS he's no victim and this well-to-do professor living in a big house isn't either. He's foolishly misread this and lept in too quickly and it's going to be another reason the middle-class working folks are getting sick of him.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:22:06am |
re: #724 turn
Hey you starting a movie pun thread? ha Morning mad!
I wasn't planning on starting one, but now that you have directed me to, I might.
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Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:22:27am |
re: #734 Kosh's Shadow
The editorial is 100% right, I hadn't previously thought of his point, but it's dead-on.
It's sickening how the industry of racism prpopagated by people like Gates, Wright, Obama, Sharpton, etc. has become such a part of our culture.
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KansasMom Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:22:31am |
re: #715 VioletTiger
Well, I'm from Jersey and it was rather nice! Even our 'rural' areas have traffic these days.
Wow, you're from New Jersey and they sent you to Wichita on business? Does somebody hate you? ;-)
I hope you had a decent trip!
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turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:22:33am |
re: #682 realwest
Nope, just a typo by moi!
oh, gal this is what you missed
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:22:42am |
re: #741 3 wood
You know, that's a great point that I had not thought of. Obama hung a target on this guy's back and you just know that the MSM attack squads are going to go after this guy with everything they have. If he chewed gum in class in grade school we are going to hear about it.
Prepare to watch this police officer get lynched in public, care of the Messiah.
So much for his civil liberties eh?
The officer is going to get lynched anyway, today in our "post-racist" society when the black person is always right.
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Pianobuff Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:22:51am |
re: #736 opnion
He is a little light on economics. He says that adding 46 million new members to a national health plan will save money.
He also talked about long waits in the present system. Really, where?
He talked about other countries with socialized medicine being cheaper & the people are just as healthy. I question that , but the right question is do they have similar clinical outcomes? The answer is no.
I did a quick scan of a lefty joint or two. There's a sense there that he hit it out of the park, though I certainly don't know where that's coming from. I suppose the polls on the issue over the next few days will be the best judge of that. As someone with at least a slight bit of extra exposure to this industry, it seemed to me to be much more of a bumper sticker discussion by Obama, not a discussion by someone who had really spent at least a small amount of time to learn a little bit about the industry.
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Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:22:53am |
re: #742 opnion
I hear people saying almost daily that they regret their vote.
I wonder what the expected.
Someone who could make all bad things good and spin straw into gold. Fools.
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legalpad Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:22:55am |
re: #717 avanti
She was not on the list, probably deciding to miss it.
Yeah, somebody decided. After her accusations of the administration I wonder.
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:23:10am |
re: #750 Mad Al-Jaffee
I wasn't planning on starting one, but now that you have directed me to, I might.
May the Best Boy win.
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:23:20am |
re: #750 Mad Al-Jaffee
I wasn't planning on starting one, but now that you have directed me to, I might.
What a production this is going be be.
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JacksonTn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:23:40am |
re: #677 3 wood
You can callup an insurance broker and get a pretty good ball park estimate over the phone. It depends on the specifics of the plan, deductibles, prescription card coverage, size of the insured pool, claims history, ect.
I'd start with a very loose estimate of $1,500 per employee per month premium and fine tune from there.
3W ... $1,500? ... um ... I just fell on the floor ... that just might put us out of business ... because what about the few years when our crops have failed because of weather and we only made enough to pay our employees ... this man Obama does not know what he is going to do to small business ... oh, wait ...
| 762 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:23:42am |
Norks clench fist tighter.
N. Korea: "Six-Party Talks Are Over"
(CBS/AP) North Korea says it will not re-enter six-party talks to end its nuclear weapons program, citing the "deep-rooted anti-North Korean policy" of the United States.
"The six-party talks are over," Ri Hung Sik, spokesman for the North Korean delegation at a major Asian security conference, said Thursday.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:23:53am |
re: #744 redstateredneck
Funny, but the chart that shows what the economy would have done without the stimulus package suggests a different tale.
Without the stimulus, the unemployment rates would have been lower, and the deficit would have been far lower. So, with Obama's "economic plan" (and it's in scare quotes since it's a ticking time bomb of deficit spending beyond anything ever attempted), we've got worse unemployment and higher deficits.
And he's trying to claim that things are better as a result of his spending plan? Who is he kidding? Oh wait - the few people who still think he's the One because he won.
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realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:24:24am |
re: #671 BlueCanuck
Oh, c'mon Blue, Doonesbury wasn't very influential at all!
Not like:[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]
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opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:24:47am |
re: #737 Killian Bundy
Henry Louis Gates Arrest Reports
Who acted stupidly?
/TOTUS is a racist moron
He said somethig to the effect that all the facts were'nt in, but that didn't stop him from saying that the police acted stupidly.
His answer to an off point question was inapproriate.
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turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:24:48am |
re: #689 3 wood
Thanks, let's just say I had some practical experience doing that sort of thing as a youth growing up on the streets of Chicago.
Ha, you were a bookie? That comes as no surprise 3W.
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avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:25:33am |
re: #723 Lincolntf
I hope people really are starting to see the real Obama. The media can only protect him from himself for so long.
The left see's what it expected to see, the right is disappointed that he's pursuing a liberal agenda. The middle will judge him on how well the he gets it done. If health care blows up, it'll cost him in the middle and left.
| 768 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:25:37am |
| 769 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:25:42am |
re: #752 KansasMom
Wow, you're from New Jersey and they sent you to Wichita on business? Does somebody hate you? ;-)
I hope you had a decent trip!
The steaks were great, and the people were nice, so I am not complaining. :)
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:25:50am |
Hizb ut-Tahrir Debuts in Canada
Later this month, the members of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Canada will host a conference in Mississauga to discuss the establishment of a Caliphate. The conference announcement acknowledges the presence of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Canada for the first time publicly; indicating that, like Hizb ut-Tahrir America (HTA), it may have recently transitioned into the second stage of its three-stage strategy. (For more on the method of Hizb ut-Tahrir, please see my previous article, linked here).
Branches of Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT) worldwide are hosting Khilafah conferences this month as part its "Rajab Campaign." Rajab, on the Islamic calendar, is the month of the fall of the Ottoman Empire; or, as HT views it, the anniversary month of the destruction of the Khilafah.
For thorough background research on Hizb ut Tahrir:
HIZB UT-TAHRIR: Islam’s Political Insurgency
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justabill Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:26:34am |
re: #721 Ojoe
Today's morning Towercam. San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.
"Paradise is all around us and we do not understand."
—Thomas Merton.
BBL, this evening after chasing work in this economy which is not "fixed."
Growing up in Allegany, NY, home of Saint Bonaventure University, I'll give an upding to a Merton quote...
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Yashmak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:26:38am |
re: #664 scottishbuzzsaw
Thanks, {real} - he's been working the cutting edge for the past 15 years and we're seeing new projects vanish before our eyes. Not a good sign.
He can work anything, but he prefers defense right now because we're at war. If he can't serve anymore, he can support. I'd hate to see him have to leave. It would break his heart.
scottishbuzzsaw,
I may know of an opening or two at my company. . .they'd be manufacturing engineering jobs, not exactly in systems, and since we do both civilian and defense work, there's no guarantee he'd be working on defense related contracts. We're a relatively small job shop (~250 employees) that's been around for about 40 years, but we're growing, and have an excellent reputation in the industry. Have him take a look at aascworld.com
Of course, it's in California, so you'd have to be willing to be represented by the likes of Pelosi and Boxer . . .gag.
| 773 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:26:49am |
re: #760 midwestgak
What a production this is going be be.
We may have to edit some of these comments.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:27:15am |
re: #763 lawhawk
Funny, but the chart that shows what the economy would have done without the stimulus package suggests a different tale.
Without the stimulus, the unemployment rates would have been lower, and the deficit would have been far lower. So, with Obama's "economic plan" (and it's in scare quotes since it's a ticking time bomb of deficit spending beyond anything ever attempted), we've got worse unemployment and higher deficits.
And he's trying to claim that things are better as a result of his spending plan? Who is he kidding? Oh wait - the few people who still think he's the One because he won.
/TOTUS is an economic moron
| 776 |
scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:27:26am |
re: #747 realwest
Ah gee scotti - I sure hope and pray he's successful in that job hunt then. But perhaps you ought to remind him that the mortgage/rent is due the first of each month so not to automatically reject Non-Defense cutting type jobs!
He's not the kind of man who needs that reminder. He's had the full support of his family while we all became 'nomads' to go to various amazing projects around the country. All of us would prefer that his work could continue, providing our military with the best in his area of expertise.
| 777 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:27:41am |
re: #761 JacksonTn
Check out the rules in your state on small businesses and HSA's combined with a high-deductible umbrella plan. Should be much closer to $500/ mo. and they should feel lucky if you pick up 75% of that.
| 778 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:27:55am |
re: #730 Slumbering Behemoth
One more thing...
The internet is powerful. It gives everyday folk the power to mold the meme.
Hit the subject, pick it apart, find the facts, use logic and reason to discuss, discuss, discuss... mold the meme.
When Team Obama brings up skin races, shoot back with their "post-racialism" claims. Make them show their asses by having them shoot at the skeet we launch, not the other way around, as they have been playing us.
Now, later for real.
| 779 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:27:57am |
re: #741 3 wood
3 wood, the DOW is probing 9000 this morning, will it hold ?
| 780 |
KenJen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:27:59am |
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realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:28:06am |
re: #688 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth - hope you and yours are doing well today!
Uh, don't worry about the Police Sgt and the MSM - he's carrying a 9mm and ain't afraid to use it!
/
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:28:14am |
re: #770 Kenneth
Hizb ut-Tahrir Debuts in Canada
Branches of Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT) worldwide are hosting Khilafah conferences this month as part its "Rajab Campaign." Rajab, on the Islamic calendar, is the month of the fall of the Ottoman Empire; or, as HT views it, the anniversary month of the destruction of the Khilafah.
For thorough background research on Hizb ut Tahrir:
HIZB UT-TAHRIR: Islam’s Political Insurgency
Does it register at all with these people that Muslim Turks were the ones who overthrew the Ottoman Caliphate?
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turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:28:30am |
re: #706 yochanan
remember my kid finding a broken apple and fixing it and getting it to work but it was only in black and green.
Oh yeah, well CPM was the first OS I used and my first "computer" was a Z80 Sinclair so there.
/ well it's true
| 784 |
J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:28:55am |
re: #748 lawhawk
CNN reported that one of the mayors who's been arrested (the one from Jersey? not sure) was an "up and comer" for the Democratic party -- they were grooming him for bigger and better things -- and, until today, he was considered "squeaky-clean."
| 785 |
opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:28:55am |
re: #745 BlueCanuck
People up here are driven to stay healthy. I bet our spending on preventative care in the way of health food products, vitamins, and other things probably out strips Americans. Why? So we don't have to spend hours, days, weeks, months waiting for treatment. Those of us that know our system, fear it.
Quick story, I had a conversation With a Canadian businesman in the Columbus OH airport about three yers ago. He workred for an Ohio company in Canada & was in Columbus to finalise his transfer to get away from the Canadian Health System.
| 786 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:28:57am |
| 787 |
Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:01am |
Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone today?
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:03am |
The push to "freeze settlements" is working, but not the way Obama would like:
Obama Boomerang: Demand for Building Freeze Spurs Rush to Buy
U.S. President Barack Obama’s attempt to freeze building for Jews in Judea and Samaria appears to be backfiring as real estate agency report a boom in new home sales in Maaleh Adumim, located several minutes east of Jerusalem.The result is a further increase in the number of Jews living in Judea and Samaria, countering the intentions of the new American government.
Good.
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yochanan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:08am |
re: #734 Kosh's Shadow
big scandal here in chicagostan at a black cemetery were plenty of ghoulish fraud took place luckily all the crooks were also black or this thing could have turned even uglier
| 790 |
Pianobuff Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:14am |
re: #763 lawhawk
Funny, but the chart that shows what the economy would have done without the stimulus package suggests a different tale.
Without the stimulus, the unemployment rates would have been lower, and the deficit would have been far lower. So, with Obama's "economic plan" (and it's in scare quotes since it's a ticking time bomb of deficit spending beyond anything ever attempted), we've got worse unemployment and higher deficits.
And he's trying to claim that things are better as a result of his spending plan? Who is he kidding? Oh wait - the few people who still think he's the One because he won.
Heh. We are now in the early stages of a depression.
Government Tax Revenue Declining:
· 32 of the 46 states whose fiscal year ended midnight July 1, 2009, did not have budgets signed by their Governors. States are grappling with deficits totaling a collective $121 billion...
· Personal income tax, which accounts for more than a third of state revenues, dropped by 26% in the first four months of 2009...
· The US government has spent $2.67 trillion thus far in fiscal 2009, but has only collected $1.59 trillion...
· The US government collected $685.5 billion in individual income taxes so far this year, a 22% drop from the $877.8 billion the government took in during the first nine months of 2008...
· US corporate income taxes plunged 57% to $101.9 billion in 2009, down from $236.5 billion in the first nine months of fiscal year 2008...Retail Sales Slump:
· The International Council of Shopping Centers (ICSC)/Goldman Sachs same-store sales tally for June was down 5.1% from June 2008, worse than the latest forecast for a 4.5% decline.
· Privately held luxury department store Neiman Marcus Group Inc. posted a 20.8% drop in same-store sales. Abercrombie & Fitch Co.'s same-store sales fell 32%, even more than the 26.6% decline Wall Street had projected. 6Unemployment Catastrophe:
· The June 2009 jobless rate reached 9.5%, the highest since 1983.
· 4 million Americans have been looking for work for more than 26 weeks, representing 29% of the unemployed – the most since records began in 1948.
· During the last 30 years, Americans who lost their jobs took an average 15.8 weeks to find new positions. In June 2009, the average duration of unemployment was 24.5 weeks, the longest since records began in 1948.
· The number of people collecting unemployment benefits reached a record 6.88 million in the week ended June 27, 2009.
· Approximately six people are seeking work for every job opening, the most since the government began keeping such records...US Housing Market Failure:
· The annual pace of new home sales is now 342,000, a whopping 32.8% below the rate in May 2008. At the current sales pace, there is 10.2 months worth of inventory overhang sitting on the market, dragging down prices and encouraging potential buyers to wait it out as prices deflate...
· New home sales are down 73% from the all time high of 1,283,000 new homes sold in 2005 (mild recession?)...Rail Car Loadings Suffering:
· For the first 26 weeks of 2009, US railroads reported cumulative volume of 6,806,892 carloads, down 19.2% from 2008. An excellent quote included in the June report from the Association of American Railroads stated: “Whenever Americans grow something, eat something, mine something, make something, turn on a light, or get dressed, freight railroads are probably involved somewhere along the line. Unfortunately, right now there’s not enough mining, manufacturing and buying going on. So railroads, like most other business sectors, are suffering because of it.”
· Carloads are down 22.5% from the all time high set in the first 26 weeks of 2006.
Stats continue at link. Certainly a gloomier-than-most outlook - but notwithstanding it's still a little early for Obama to take a victory lap.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:16am |
re: #772 Yashmak
I'll pass that along, Yashmak...thank you.
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Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:29am |
re: #767 avanti
The right isn't "disappointed". That implies we expected something better.
We knew he was an extreme Lefty when he was elected. He's been vindicating us, not disappointing us.
Hopefully his failures, lies and other flaws will be visible to the "middle" that was blinded by his celebrity the last time around.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:33am |
re: #737 Killian Bundy
Henry Louis Gates Arrest Reports
Who acted stupidly?
/TOTUS is a racist moron
Boston Globe Scrubs Henry Louis Gates Arrest Report From Website
| 794 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:36am |
re: #783 turn
Oh yeah, well CPM was the first OS I used and my first "computer" was a Z80 Sinclair so there.
/ well it's true
I had a Commodore Pet, just sold it for a decent price on ebay last year.
| 795 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:40am |
re: #714 pingjockey
Mornin' Lizards! Another hot one up here in the Northwest! How's everybody doing after the big fib session last night. The 3rd time I shouted at the tube the better half made me change it!
Morning ping, ha the turnwife was yelling with me!
| 797 |
Beach Lover Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:30:41am |
re: #744 redstateredneck
well...isnt he speeecccial? He can read the lying words on a teleprompter with facts that no one in the MSM will dispute.
I think that was one of the times I yelled at the TV!
as a side note...when he has to use the prompter in the back and looks directly into it (you know, to make sure he doesnt say anything wrong or stooopid), he looks kinda scary!
| 798 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:30:42am |
| 799 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:31:27am |
re: #783 turn
Oh yeah, well CPM was the first OS I used and my first "computer" was a Z80 Sinclair so there.
/ well it's true
The first computer I ever used. 4K words (8K bytes) and a 1 MB hard disk.
I believe it rented for around $2000/month or something
This was in high school. We used computer cards.
Remember when cards symbolized computers? Or magtapes?
| 800 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:31:34am |
| 801 |
3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:32:11am |
re: #766 turn
Ha, you were a bookie? That comes as no surprise 3W.
Let's just say I assisted in the back office. The "front" was a flower shop. Nobody ever bought flowers but people were always coming in and out. One of the most frequent customers were the local police.
That's where I got my interest in numbers and economics.
To this day I can spot a bookie joint just driving by on the street.
| 802 |
Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:32:13am |
re: #796 midwestgak
Morning {HH}. Got your coffee yet?
Good Morning..I'm coffee'd out.. So if i just start rambling here at breakneck speed you'll know why..:)
How is life treating you?
| 804 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:32:18am |
re: #722 3 wood
David Wells still says he was hung over the day he pitched a perfect game. And I was there.
| 805 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:32:21am |
re: #714 pingjockey
Howdy ping! Things are ok here - other than wet, how are you doing today?!
| 806 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:32:26am |
re: #782 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
The Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda and Hizb ut Tahrir all hate & despise Kamal Ataturk as an apostate and in the pay of the Jooos. Naturally.
| 807 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:32:46am |
| 808 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:32:50am |
re: #787 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone today?
Hoops!
I'm doing fine, but trying to figure out if there are any global warming implications for this:
Naked girls plough fields in India for rain
| 809 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:33:03am |
re: #735 Beach Lover
No, that was brought up several times here this morning. It did seem like a setup, hell they were all probably set ups imo. Morning beach, hey I can't recall where you're at ...
| 810 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:33:23am |
re: #797 Beach Lover
well...isnt he speeecccial? He can read the lying words on a teleprompter with facts that no one in the MSM will dispute.
I think that was one of the times I yelled at the TV!
as a side note...when he has to use the prompter in the back and looks directly into it (you know, to make sure he doesnt say anything wrong or stooopid), he looks kinda scary!
"Let me be perfectly clear, Beach Lover."
| 811 |
Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:33:34am |
re: #798 Bobblehead
Just dandy. And you?
Can't complain..Going home early today at noon...85 minutes left but who is counting?
How are you?
| 812 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:33:49am |
re: #718 turn
"man you would not believe how they take those things off - they friggin pound them loose. Yeah, it feels like someone is jack hammering on your tooth. Good luck!"
Uh, thanks there good buddy.
getting nervous all over again!
| 813 |
opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:34:27am |
re: #775 taxfreekiller
Obama suggests that the disproportionate amount of minorities in prison proves profiling & bias.
Could anybody suggest that maybe more crimes are committed by minorities & not be branded a racist? That's way there can never be an honest national dialog on race.
| 814 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:34:28am |
| 815 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:34:36am |
re: #799 Kosh's Shadow
The first computer I ever used. 4K words (8K bytes) and a 1 MB hard disk.
I believe it rented for around $2000/month or something
This was in high school. We used computer cards.
Remember when cards symbolized computers? Or magtapes?
When I was in college here's how you could spot a computer science major..a big stack of cards with a rubber band around it.
| 817 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:35:02am |
re: #794 avanti
I had a Commodore Pet, just sold it for a decent price on ebay last year.
I had one, too. After a few months, it erased all the programs I wrote. The tape recorder on it was a piece of shit. It would start getting errors but not let you know, and then you would find the save data unreadable.
They wanted $90 for a $20 tape recorder.
| 818 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:35:40am |
re: #808 reine.de.tout
Hoops!
I'm doing fine, but trying to figure out if there are any global warming implications for this:
Naked girls plough fields in India for rain
*Collective sigh* from male lizards that there were no pictures with that link.
| 819 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:35:46am |
re: #781 realwest
Good morning, real. We're doing fine thanks.
I salute this cop's courage, but the media will tear his life apart. Anything he ever said or did that can be spun as racist will be dug up and used against him.
| 820 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:35:56am |
re: #687 turn
I remember paying $480 for my first 240 mb hard drive.
I can remember when a 30Mb CMS drive kit went for $369. It consisted of a 20Mb Seagate ST225 MFM drive and a Western Digital RLL controller. Later, I can remember buying a 80Mb Seagate ST4096 hard drive for $489.
| 821 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:00am |
re: #815 Bobblehead
When I was in college here's how you could spot a computer science major..a big stack of cards with a rubber band around it.
Heh. Thankfully I missed those days...I first programmed in Pascal.
| 822 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:03am |
re: #775 taxfreekiller
we need the full text of what he said last night...
Q Thank you, Mr. President. Recently, Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. was arrested at his home in Cambridge. What does that incident say to you? And what does it say about race relations in America?
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, I -- I should say at the outset that Skip Gates is a friend, so I may be a little biased here.
I don't know all the facts. What's been reported, though, is that the guy forgot his keys, jimmied his way to get into the house; there was a report called into the police station that there might be a burglary taking place.
So far, so good, right? I mean, if I was trying to jigger into -- well, I guess this is my house now, so -- (laughter) -- it probably wouldn't happen.
(Chuckling.) But let's say my old house in Chicago -- (laughter) -- here I'd get shot. (Laughter.) But so far, so good. They're -- they're -- they're reporting. The police are doing what they should. There's a call. They go investigate. What happens?
My understanding is, at that point, Professor Gates is already in his house. The police officer comes in. I'm sure there's some exchange of words. But my understanding is -- is that Professor Gates then shows his ID to show that this is his house, and at that point he gets arrested for disorderly conduct, charges which are later dropped.
Now, I've -- I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home.
And number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcing disproportionately. That's just a fact.
As you know, Lynn, when I was in the state legislature in Illinois, we worked on a racial profiling bill because there was indisputable evidence that blacks and Hispanics were being stopped disproportionately. And that is a sign, an example of how, you know, race remains a factor in the society.
That doesn't lessen the incredible progress that has been made. I am standing here as testimony to the progress that's been made. And yet the fact of the matter is, is that, you know, this still haunts us.
And even when there are honest misunderstandings, the fact that blacks and Hispanics are picked up more frequently, and oftentime for no cause, casts suspicion even when there is good cause. And that's why I think the more that we're working with local law enforcement to improve policing techniques so that we're eliminating potential bias, the safer everybody's going to be.
Full transcript of all remarks and questions here.
| 824 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:09am |
re: #808 reine.de.tout
Hoops!
I'm doing fine, but trying to figure out if there are any global warming implications for this:
Naked girls plough fields in India for rain
No wonder the islamists attack India.
| 825 |
dwells38 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:10am |
re: #793 NJDhockeyfan
I hadn't even seen this report and that's pretty much what I envisioned happened. I'm sure Figueroa realized at some point Gates really lived there but thought if I let everyone I deal with act like this jerk I'd never get to the bottom of anything. He's goin' downtown.
| 826 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:15am |
re: #812 realwest
"man you would not believe how they take those things off - they friggin pound them loose. Yeah, it feels like someone is jack hammering on your tooth. Good luck!"
Uh, thanks there good buddy.
getting nervous all over again!
Turn needs to get a new dentist, real. They can be removed without any hammering.
| 827 |
jvic Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:18am |
re: #701 Kenneth
re: #671 BlueCanuckI followed jvic's link back to your previous post. But that I have only one Upding to give you!
Kenneth, speaking of old posts, back in the July 9 Totten thread you gave the best rationale I've seen for Bush's GWOT leadership.
I'm not saying you persuaded me, but you came a lot closer than anyone else has.
There. Got 'em all in one place.
| 828 |
Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:30am |
re: #808 reine.de.tout
Hoops!
I'm doing fine, but trying to figure out if there are any global warming implications for this:
Naked girls plough fields in India for rain
I think that is a fine idea that we should bring to America..
Except naked girls driving tractors..
/There is a country song in there somewhere
This morning I heard that we are on course to have the Coolest July in Indiana since they started keeping records in 1871.
| 829 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:30am |
Hey folks, the new unemployment data is out - and once again, they show that Obama doesn't know what he's talking about.
The Labor Department said Thursday that its tally of initial claims for unemployment insurance rose by 30,000 to a seasonally adjusted 554,000. That was above analysts' estimates of 550,000.
The increase follows two straight weeks of sharp drops largely because automakers didn't lay off as many workers as expected in early July. General Motors and Chrysler temporarily shut down many of their plants earlier than usual this year, in May and June, after filing for bankruptcy protection and restructuring their companies.
A department analyst said the government's seasonal adjustment process expected claims to drop sharply last week, after the normal pattern of auto layoffs was complete. But that didn't happen, causing seasonally-adjusted claims to rise.
Weekly claims remain far above the 300,000 to 350,000 that analysts say is consistent with a healthy economy. New claims last fell below 300,000 in early 2007. The lowest level this year was 488,000 for the week ended Jan. 3.
| 830 |
KansasMom Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:32am |
re: #815 Bobblehead
When I was in college here's how you could spot a computer science major..a big stack of cards with a rubber band around it.
We found one of those cards at work recently -- somebody had used it as a bookmark and it was buried in some old notes.
The summer intern learned a lot that day. And the rest of us felt old.
| 831 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:54am |
re: #818 redstateredneck
*Collective sigh* from male lizards that there were no pictures with that link.
Not necessarilly. If they looked like this Indian girl, I would want pictures:
| 832 |
KenJen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:37:01am |
| 833 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:37:06am |
re: #811 HoosierHoops
Going home early today at noon...85 minutes left but who is counting?
Why don't you just say "neener, neener, neener," you a-hole!
;-)
| 834 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:37:15am |
re: #764 realwest
Oh, c'mon Blue, Doonesbury wasn't very influential at all!
Not like:[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]
Heh, wrong Trudeau. Pierre Elliot Trudeau, not Gary Trudeau.
| 835 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:37:22am |
re: #815 Bobblehead
When I was in college here's how you could spot a computer science major..a big stack of cards with a rubber band around it.
It wasn't a big program unless you had to keep it in a box.
But in college, the real hackers used the PDP-10
| 836 |
J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:37:38am |
re: #792 Lincolntf
Anecdotally, I'm hearing more and more letters read on CNN from the public which sound increasingly anti-Obama and his policies...(something i've never heard before).
| 837 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:37:39am |
re: #812 realwest
"man you would not believe how they take those things off - they friggin pound them loose. Yeah, it feels like someone is jack hammering on your tooth. Good luck!"
Uh, thanks there good buddy.
getting nervous all over again!
Ask for gas! ! !
| 838 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:38:09am |
re: #828 HoosierHoops
I think that is a fine idea that we should bring to America..
Except naked girls driving tractors..
/There is a country song in there somewhere
This morning I heard that we are on course to have the Coolest July in Indiana since they started keeping records in 1871.
Same in Illinois. Peoria's average for July is already confirmed as the coldest on record.
| 839 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:38:23am |
re: #760 midwestgak
What a production this is going be be.
You guys are such actors, you can never be serious. You're going to start alienating people here.
| 840 |
dwells38 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:39:15am |
re: #819 Kenneth
I think he likely went too far and could have verified that the jerk black guy does really live there and just let him act like a jerk. Instead he took him downtown out of spite.
What's going to be fun to watch though is after the POTUS attacking him (saying he acted stupid) and the MSM this guy will be the working-class victim by the weekend.
| 841 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:39:16am |
re: #819 Kenneth
You're probably right. The savages who attacked Joe the Plumber for having the temerity to ask an honest question have been just dying to sink their teeth into another working class white guy. This story will prompt dozens of TV appearances for the race-baiters, so they'll sell a few extra books, make a few extra speeches because of it and the Left will go home happy. The cop (and the truth) will be left trampled behind them.
| 842 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:39:16am |
re: #839 turn
You guys are such actors, you can never be serious. You're going to start alienating people here.
I predict that these puns will soon be gone with the wind.
| 843 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:39:34am |
Nate Silver got no takers from the AGW skeptics for his contest within the deadline, but has one potential entry that was
| 845 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:39:40am |
re: #808 reine.de.tout
Hoops!
I'm doing fine, but trying to figure out if there are any global warming implications for this:
Naked girls plough fields in India for rain
When I read that I thought it said "Naked girls plough fields in Indiana for rain." I thought "Holy smoke, I had no idea things were that bad in the Hoosier state."
| 846 |
3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:39:45am |
re: #779 avanti
3 wood, the DOW is probing 9000 this morning, will it hold ?
It's at 9020 at the moment.
If we get Cap and Trade or nationalized health care I don't think so.
but it also depends on profit reports from more entities that are still to come out.
| 847 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:39:51am |
re: #761 JacksonTn
3W ... $1,500? ... um ... I just fell on the floor ... that just might put us out of business ... because what about the few years when our crops have failed because of weather and we only made enough to pay our employees ... this man Obama does not know what he is going to do to small business ... oh, wait ...
No shit, I nearly fell on the floor and I don't even own my own business.
| 848 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:40:04am |
| 849 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:40:38am |
re: #839 turn
You guys are such actors, you can never be serious. You're going to start alienating people here.
Has any one seen my friend Poly Grip?
| 850 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:40:55am |
| 852 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:41:21am |
re: #849 midwestgak
Has any one seen my friend Poly Grip?
She went off with her friend Dolly and their Best Boy.
| 853 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:41:55am |
re: #849 midwestgak
Has any one seen my friend Poly Grip?
I think I saw her yesterday with my friend Holly. Wood you happen to know if they're related?
| 854 |
KenJen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:42:28am |
re: #842 Mad Al-Jaffee
I predict that these puns will soon be gone with the wind.
We can't let that happen. Time for some special effects.
| 855 |
Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:42:32am |
re: #826 midwestgak
re: #812 realwest"man you would not believe how they take those things off - they friggin pound them loose. Yeah, it feels like someone is jack hammering on your tooth. Good luck!"
Uh, thanks there good buddy.
getting nervous all over again!Turn needs to get a new dentist, real. They can be removed without any hammering.
Yes, Real. Does it say "Blacksmithing and Dentistry performed within" on your dentists office?
| 856 |
Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:42:34am |
re: #845 Bobblehead
When I read that I thought it said "Naked girls plough fields in Indiana for rain." I thought "Holy smoke, I had no idea things were that bad in the Hoosier state."
LOL
I swear I have the formation of a country song in my head from that link..
She drives my tractor naked
Don't be surprised if you see me at the CMA's next year..
/
| 857 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:42:43am |
re: #846 3 wood
It's at 9020 at the moment.
If we get Cap and Trade or nationalized health care I don't think so.
but it also depends on profit reports from more entities that are still to come out.
I hope your making some money in this market, it is a scary ride for me since I just have to trust my broker.
| 858 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:42:50am |
re: #831 Mad Al-Jaffee
Not necessarilly. If they looked like this Indian girl, I would want pictures:
I guarantee you that any Indian Girls that look like that are NOT plowing any fields.
| 859 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:42:52am |
| 860 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:43:16am |
re: #835 Kosh's Shadow
It wasn't a big program unless you had to keep it in a box.
But in college, the real hackers used the PDP-10
The good old days when computers were big and tuition was small.
| 861 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:43:17am |
re: #789 yochanan
big scandal here in chicagostan at a black cemetery were plenty of ghoulish fraud took place luckily all the crooks were also black or this thing could have turned even uglier
The cemetery is owned by a California company (Perpetua), and the president lives here in the DFW area (in Richardson). It was the accounting department that blew the whistle on the crooks in Chicago.
| 862 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:43:27am |
re: #856 HoosierHoops
LOL
I swear I have the formation of a country song in my head from that link..
She drives my tractor naked
Don't be surprised if you see me at the CMA's next year..
/
And makes my stalk stand tall...
| 863 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:43:33am |
Bob Woddruff was just on CNBC.
/looks and sounds really good for someone who just about had their head blown off
| 864 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:43:37am |
re: #856 HoosierHoops
LOL
I swear I have the formation of a country song in my head from that link..
She drives my tractor naked
Don't be surprised if you see me at the CMA's next year..
/
Make sure the song mentions mothers, trucks, trains, drinking, and prisons, or it isn't a real country song.
| 865 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:43:49am |
re: #787 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone today?
Morning hoops, doing fine. How's everything in your neck of the woods?
| 867 |
3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:44:05am |
re: #804 Nevergiveup
David Wells still says he was hung over the day he pitched a perfect game. And I was there.
In an interview I heard when he was with the White Sox he said he was still
drunk.
Dick Allen of the old White Sox once hit an incredible line drive homer into a 30 mph wind to win a game and he was nearly fall down drunk at the time. Chuck Tanner had him on the bench trying to sober him up and sent him up there as a punishment to get embarassed. Instead he went yard.
Allen later said he saw 3 balls coming in and swung at the middle one.
| 868 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:44:14am |
Heh. Here's some advice we seem to need:
How to Troubleshoot a Flaky Internet Connection
| 869 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:44:23am |
re: #860 Bobblehead
The good old days when computers were big and tuition was small.
One of the professors would refer to the days of "wooden computers and iron programmers" - and this was back in the 70's; he was referring to older machines.
| 870 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:44:32am |
re: #853 Mad Al-Jaffee
I think I saw her yesterday with my friend Holly. Wood you happen to know if they're related?
Tiger Wood.
| 871 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:44:47am |
re: #864 Kosh's Shadow
Make sure the song mentions mothers, trucks, trains, drinking, and prisons, or it isn't a real country song.
and rain, don't forget the rain!
| 872 |
Beach Lover Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:44:49am |
re: #828 HoosierHoops
This morning I heard that we are on course to have the Coolest July in Indiana since they started keeping records in 1871.
shhh. the Won has to get thru this little health care bill so he can get onto the cap & trade before that little news gets out.
BTW..same here in the South! record lows in July!
| 873 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:44:56am |
re: #794 avanti
I had a Commodore Pet, just sold it for a decent price on ebay last year.
No kidding, there is a market for those. How much did it fetch?
| 874 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:45:12am |
re: #856 HoosierHoops
LOL
I swear I have the formation of a country song in my head from that link..
She drives my tractor naked
Don't be surprised if you see me at the CMA's next year..
/
Let's see...who could you get to record that?
| 875 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:45:33am |
re: #815 Bobblehead
When I was in college here's how you could spot a computer science major..a big stack of cards with a rubber band around it.
I remember the expression "drop a deck", where you took your deck of cards (your program) to the computer room to have the operators run it.
| 876 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:45:39am |
re: #866 taxfreekiller
not because they are in a drug area, at 2:00 am talking to a known dealer..and or undercover cop...
None of that applies to Gates.
| 877 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:45:42am |
re: #858 Nevergiveup
I guarantee you that any Indian Girls that look like that are NOT plowing any fields.
I'll refrain from making a joke about "plowing their fields." Oh, too late. :)
| 878 |
Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:45:45am |
re: #864 Kosh's Shadow
Make sure the song mentions
mothers, trucks, trains, drinking, and prisons, or it isn't a real country song.
I can't fit my head around naked girls and mothers...It's just not right..
Let's exchange that for ex-girlfriends..
| 879 |
KansasMom Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:45:55am |
re: #856 HoosierHoops
LOL
I swear I have the formation of a country song in my head from that link..
She drives my tractor naked
Don't be surprised if you see me at the CMA's next year..
/
"She thinks my tractor's sexy" Who sang that?
| 880 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:46:33am |
re: #840 dwells38
I think he likely went too far and could have verified that the jerk black guy does really live there and just let him act like a jerk. Instead he took him downtown out of spite.
You misunderstand the situation & charges against Gates. By the time he was arrested, for belligerent conduct toward a police officer, the police had indeed verified that it was Gate's home.
What's going to be fun to watch though is after the POTUS attacking him (saying he acted stupid) and the MSM this guy will be the working-class victim by the weekend.
I don't see anything fun about it. This cop's life will be ruined by the media and that fraud of a POTUS.
| 881 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:46:36am |
re: #863 Killian Bundy
Bob Woddruff was just on CNBC.
/looks and sounds really good for someone who just about had their head blown off
His recovery was nothing short of a miracle.
| 882 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:46:39am |
re: #864 Kosh's Shadow
Make sure the song mentions mothers, trucks, trains, drinking, and prisons, or it isn't a real country song.
Upding for the reference to "You Never Even Call Me By My Name" !
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:46:51am |
re: #862 redstateredneck
And makes my stalk stand tall...
Reminds me of the Spinal Tap song "Sex Farm."
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Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:47:15am |
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:47:20am |
re: #875 Ward Cleaver
I remember the expression "drop a deck", where you took your deck of cards (your program) to the computer room to have the operators run it.
Near the end of term at college, the operators (other students) would play games with the students desperate to get their programs working.
One took scrap cards and put them into the box a student used, then "tripped" as he was handing the box back, sending it flying.
Another made a copy of the student's deck, and then shuffled the original in front of him.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:47:22am |
re: #868 vxbush
Heh. Here's some advice we seem to need:
How to Troubleshoot a Flaky Internet Connection
I need that article!
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:47:24am |
re: #876 iceweasel
None of that applies to Gates.
Well how about a man with a backpack breaking into a house in the dead of night
| 889 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:47:26am |
And just for the fun of it all: [Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]
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Killian Bundy Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:48:02am |
re: #876 iceweasel
None of that applies to Gates.
Henry Louis Gates Arrest Reports
/disorderly conduct, get it?
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:48:18am |
re: #878 HoosierHoops
I can't fit my head around naked girls and mothers...It's just not right..
Let's exchange that for ex-girlfriends..
Ok, and that goes along with divorce.
BTW, that was a reference to "the perfect country song"
| 892 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:48:19am |
re: #888 Nevergiveup
Well how about a man with a backpack breaking into a house in the dead of night
It was the middle of the day, and his cabdriver carried in his luggage.
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turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:48:38am |
re: #799 Kosh's Shadow
The first computer I ever used. 4K words (8K bytes) and a 1 MB hard disk.
I believe it rented for around $2000/month or something
This was in high school. We used computer cards.
Remember when cards symbolized computers? Or magtapes?
I actually did use cards the first couple of quarters at UCD. They had a Burrows (sp?) main frame, I forget how much memory. Maybe 256k or something. You could use a cassette tape to store programs for the little Sinclair.
| 894 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:49:08am |
| 895 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:49:14am |
re: #892 iceweasel
It was the middle of the day, and his cabdriver carried in his luggage.
OK day but he was still busting in
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:49:45am |
re: #890 Killian Bundy
Henry Louis Gates Arrest Reports
/disorderly conduct, get it?
Charges dropped on Tuesday.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:50:27am |
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:50:43am |
re: #896 iceweasel
Charges dropped on Tuesday.
So? Doesn't mean Gates wasn't out of line. Nor does it mean the Cop acted improperly
| 899 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:50:46am |
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:51:01am |
re: #893 turn
I actually did use cards the first couple of quarters at UCD. They had a Burrows (sp?) main frame, I forget how much memory. Maybe 256k or something. You could use a cassette tape to store programs for the little Sinclair.
Burroughs. They were a decent-sized company, but lost out to IBM. Eventually, they merged with Univac and became Unisys. And then disappeared.
| 901 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:51:09am |
re: #876 iceweasel
No, it applies to the "profiling" charge that Gates Jr. used. I don't know how many articles you've read about it in the last couple days, but Boston papers have been covering it fully for a couple days before the reporter and Obama mentioned it.
Here's what happened, by all accounts (the race-neutral version).
A guy was breaking into a house, his neighbor called the police, the police showed up, the guy who was breaking in refused to identify himself and became disruptive, he was arrested.
There was no racial component to the event until the professional victims (and their number one ally in the White House) decided to make political hay out of Gates' stupidity.
| 902 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:51:44am |
I have a question for any Harley (or, I guess other bike) riders/owners here. My step-brother has a Harley and his brithday is coming up. Can you recommend a decent, inexpensive gift for him. There's a Harley store near work and I plan to check it out tonight. I'm thinking of something simple like a coffee mug or keychain.
| 903 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:51:54am |
re: #901 Lincolntf
No, it applies to the "profiling" charge that Gates Jr. used. I don't know how many articles you've read about it in the last couple days, but Boston papers have been covering it fully for a couple days before the reporter and Obama mentioned it.
Here's what happened, by all accounts (the race-neutral version).
A guy was breaking into a house, his neighbor called the police, the police showed up, the guy who was breaking in refused to identify himself and became disruptive, he was arrested.There was no racial component to the event until the professional victims (and their number one ally in the White House) decided to make political hay out of Gates' stupidity.
I think Gates is one of the professional victims. Isn't he a "black studies" professor?
| 904 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:51:56am |
re: #801 3 wood
Let's just say I assisted in the back office. The "front" was a flower shop. Nobody ever bought flowers but people were always coming in and out. One of the most frequent customers were the local police.
That's where I got my interest in numbers and economics.
To this day I can spot a bookie joint just driving by on the street.
What a neat story, exactly why I said it came as no surprise. With your knowledge of numbers combined with your knowledge of sports even turn put two and two together and came up with three and I'm not even good with numbers.
| 905 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:52:07am |
re: #823 FrogMarch
Not many people have mentioned that fact that Obama met with the head of the Congressional Budget Office. Seems a bit of a conflict of interest imo.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:52:13am |
re: #895 Nevergiveup
OK day but he was still busting in
The front door was jammed, so he let himself in the back door with his keys. Then went to work on the busted front door. The cop showed up while he was already on the phone to have his front door fixed.
| 907 |
Pianobuff Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:52:19am |
re: #898 Nevergiveup
So? Doesn't mean Gates wasn't out of line. Nor does it mean the Cop acted improperly
Interesting perspective here... Consider this before crying ‘racial profiling’
A battle of two egos and why I don't feel sorry for Henry Louis Gates
| 909 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:53:09am |
re: #898 Nevergiveup
So? Doesn't mean Gates wasn't out of line. Nor does it mean the Cop acted improperly
You don't get it.
/cops are supposed to take verbal abuse and ignore noncompliance
| 910 |
Beach Lover Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:53:12am |
re: #884 Bobblehead
as close to NC as you can get and not be in a lake!
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:53:20am |
re: #822 iceweasel
And number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcing disproportionately. That's just a fact.
-BHO
Studies have demonstrated that black & Latinos police officers have been shown to stop blacks & Latinos more often that white police officers do. And while it is politically incorrect to admit it in public, crime rates are higher among blacks & Latinos.
Obama is playing the race card by spewing forth this pap. Shame on him. He has shown terrible leadership and poor judgment. He admitted he did not know the facts in the case, and then felt free to slur the integrity of the Cambridge Police Force.
| 913 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:54:08am |
re: #898 Nevergiveup
So? Doesn't mean Gates wasn't out of line. Nor does it mean the Cop acted improperly
I think Gates probably did get belligerent, and that the cop was still wrong to arrest him. But this was discussed upthread.
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:54:22am |
| 915 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:54:24am |
re: #903 Kosh's Shadow
I know he's a Prof. and I remember he had a book out in the mid-Nineties that was kind of a big deal, but other than that I only know him from his constant appearances on TV whenever there's "race" case like O.J., Rodney King, etc.
| 916 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:54:45am |
re: #906 iceweasel
The front door was jammed, so he let himself in the back door with his keys. Then went to work on the busted front door. The cop showed up while he was already on the phone to have his front door fixed.
That is NOT what i have read. I read he forced the back door open
| 917 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:54:49am |
re: #912 srb1976
Morning folks! Hope everyone is doing ok
Same to you. And an upding because your avatar always makes me smile.
| 918 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:55:12am |
re: #812 realwest
haha. Hey but if that thing doesn't fit perfectly take my advice- get it redone immediately, and at their expense. The gap thing is really, really annoying.
| 920 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:55:28am |
re: #910 Beach Lover
as close to NC as you can get and not be in a lake!
I used to live in Columbia. My son still does. Miss it terribly.
| 921 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:55:33am |
re: #868 vxbush
Heh. Here's some advice we seem to need:
How to Troubleshoot a Flaky Internet Connection
That's a good article. I'm frequently having to run "Repair" on my work laptop when I take it home, but I think it's DNS-related, since I can still reach my Windows Home Server even when I can't get to Web sites. I run a wired router and a wireless router (it's configured as a gateway, and the wired router hands out DHCP IP addresses). That's because if I have trouble with my DVR, Verizon always wants me to push the reset button on the router, and I'd rather reset their wired router (the cable boxes get their programming feeds from it) than my wireless router, since it would blow away all my wireless settings.
| 922 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:55:45am |
re: #893 turn
I actually did use cards the first couple of quarters at UCD. They had a Burrows (sp?) main frame, I forget how much memory. Maybe 256k or something. You could use a cassette tape to store programs for the little Sinclair.
We had a big Burroughs where I work when I first started here. I had to load the big ass tape drive for the backup each day. I was thrilled when we got a cassette drive.
:-)
| 924 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:56:12am |
re: #915 Lincolntf
I know he's a Prof. and I remember he had a book out in the mid-Nineties that was kind of a big deal, but other than that I only know him from his constant appearances on TV whenever there's "race" case like O.J., Rodney King, etc.
Me, I would be so happy and grateful if my neighbors kept that kind of watch on my house, and the police responded that quickly, I would have identified myself immediately and thanked the cop for the quick action.
But I'm not anybody special, never wrote a book or had a paper published.
| 925 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:56:20am |
re: #916 Nevergiveup
That is NOT what i have read. I read he forced the back door open
No. The front door lock was jammed, so he had to let himself in the back door with his keys. A neighbour called the cops on seeing him at the front door.
He had his keys with him. Check his lawyer's statement.
| 926 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:56:34am |
re: #916 Nevergiveup
Iceweasel must have access to magic newspapers that automatically turn stories into what s/he wants them to be.
| 927 |
3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:56:38am |
re: #857 avanti
I hope your making some money in this market, it is a scary ride for me since I just have to trust my broker.
If you do not understand the market, economics and why the market moves the way it does, I strongly recommend that you assume very little risk. Especially if you are at or nearing retirement age.
| 928 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:56:43am |
re: #814 Mad Al-Jaffee
That's not what my uncle Oscar said.
You guys get so far ahead of turn on this thread, you don't play write.
| 929 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:56:52am |
re: #902 Mad Al-Jaffee
I have a question for any Harley (or, I guess other bike) riders/owners here. My step-brother has a Harley and his brithday is coming up. Can you recommend a decent, inexpensive gift for him. There's a Harley store near work and I plan to check it out tonight. I'm thinking of something simple like a coffee mug or keychain.
Harley stores are like boutiques. You should have no problem finding a gift!
| 930 |
keithgabryelski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:56:58am |
re: #911 Kenneth
-BHO
Studies have demonstrated that black & Latinos police officers have been shown to stop blacks & Latinos more often that white police officers do. And while it is politically incorrect to admit it in public, crime rates are higher among blacks & Latinos.
Do you have a reference link?
Obama is playing the race card by spewing forth this pap. Shame on him. He has shown terrible leadership and poor judgment. He admitted he did not know the facts in the case, and then felt free to slur the integrity of the Cambridge Police Force.
Here is the audio of an interview with Sgt. Crowley. He seems credible and I bet President Obama will be dealing with his statement "Cambridge Police acted stupidly" soon.
[Link: audio.weei.com...]
| 931 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:57:07am |
re: #925 iceweasel
No. The front door lock was jammed, so he had to let himself in the back door with his keys. A neighbour called the cops on seeing him at the front door.
He had his keys with him. Check his lawyer's statement.
I really don't care what his lawyer said.
| 932 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:57:29am |
re: #928 turn
You guys get so far ahead of turn on this thread, you don't play write.
Soon I may have to exit, stage left.
| 933 |
Spider Mensch Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:57:30am |
re: #741 3 wood
You know, that's a great point that I had not thought of. Obama hung a target on this guy's back and you just know that the MSM attack squads are going to go after this guy with everything they have. If he chewed gum in class in grade school we are going to hear about it.
Prepare to watch this police officer get lynched in public, care of the Messiah.
So much for his civil liberties eh?
he's a middle age, white police officer..he's not entitled to civil liberties.
and I'm not being sarcastic.
| 934 |
srb1976 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:57:37am |
re: #924 reine.de.tout
Our neighbor called the cops on my brother in law once...we were out and he came by to work in better half's shop...
Nobody got arrested, but we all got a good laugh out of it = )
| 935 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:57:52am |
re: #906 iceweasel
The front door was jammed, so he let himself in the back door with his keys. Then went to work on the busted front door. The cop showed up while he was already on the phone to have his front door fixed.
AndGates refused to identify himself instead he started yelling abuse at the cops. That behavior is stupid and frankly racist. The cops have a job to do, but Gates is so into his racial paranoia he can't even acknowledge that fact. Meanwhile the POTUS jumps on board the race-card wagon. Post racial president, my ass.
| 936 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:58:01am |
re: #816 vxbush
Morning...
Morning vx, how's the weather? It's only goijng to be 99 in Sac today, really nice.
| 937 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:58:02am |
re: #926 Lincolntf
Iceweasel must have access to magic newspapers that automatically turn stories into what s/he wants them to be.
I've been following this story since it broke. So have many in the left blogosphere.
Check some of the earlier coverage. I provided some links upthread about it as well.
| 938 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:58:22am |
re: #929 redstateredneck
Harley stores are like boutiques. You should have no problem finding a gift!
Yeah, but I'm sure this one will be overpriced. It's in a huge tourist spot (Union Station) in DC.
| 939 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:58:23am |
re: #928 turn
You guys get so far ahead of turn on this thread, you don't play write.
I wouldn't publish that if I were you.
| 940 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:58:28am |
re: #912 srb1976
Morning folks! Hope everyone is doing ok
Whenever I see your nic I think of my daughter & husband who are SBR's.
| 941 |
saberry0530 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:59:27am |
re: #913 iceweasel
I think Gates probably did get belligerent, and that the cop was still wrong to arrest him. But this was discussed upthread.
Are you so ignorant of the FACT that if you mouth off to the police, they will arrest your ass, regardless of color.
| 942 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:59:33am |
re: #935 Kenneth
AndGates refused to identify himself instead he started yelling abuse at the cops.
He produced his Harvard ID. Even the officer admits that. Gates says he also produced his driver's license.
Even the cop in his arrest report admits he believed Gates lived there and didn't feel he was being physically threatened by Gates.
| 943 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:59:48am |
The dude lipped off to the cop, refused to obey police orders, and got arrested.
/end of mystery
| 944 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:00:04am |
re: #936 turn
Morning vx, how's the weather? It's only goijng to be 99 in Sac today, really nice.
Still cold for July in Illinois. The corn around my has still hasn't tassled yet, and we'll be lucky to hit 80 today.
| 945 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:00:05am |
re: #913 iceweasel
I think Gates probably did get belligerent, and that the cop was still wrong to arrest him. But this was discussed upthread.
Why, were you there? Do you know what happened? The account Gates gave to the newspaper conflicts on several factual points with the police report. There were several witnesses who saw the whole thing. It will be interesting to learn what they have to say.
| 946 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:00:11am |
I'm just stunned out of the entire press conference, we're talking about some arrest? Are things that slow in Washington?
| 947 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:00:20am |
re: #942 iceweasel
He produced his Harvard ID. Even the officer admits that. Gates says he also produced his driver's license.
Even the cop in his arrest report admits he believed Gates lived there and didn't feel he was being physically threatened by Gates.
Do you scream at the Police if your pulled over? Yes or No
| 948 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:00:37am |
re: #820 Ward Cleaver
I can remember when a 30Mb CMS drive kit went for $369. It consisted of a 20Mb Seagate ST225 MFM drive and a Western Digital RLL controller. Later, I can remember buying a 80Mb Seagate ST4096 hard drive for $489.
Morning ward, I spend so much time didling with computers back then. Going to swap meets and all that crap. Today I am absolutely bored with all that stuff. Same with compter games after my Atari.
| 949 |
srb1976 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:00:43am |
re: #940 redstateredneck
Whenever I see your nic I think of my daughter & husband who are SBR's.
= )
This is what you get when when you can't think of anything else (I think my first choice was taken, and I was so surprised by registration being open that I couldn't think of anything cute)
| 950 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:00:56am |
re: #872 Beach Lover
This morning I heard that we are on course to have the Coolest July in Indiana since they started keeping records in 1871.
shhh. the Won has to get thru this little health care bill so he can get onto the cap & trade before that little news gets out.
BTW..same here in the South! record lows in July!
2009 world temps are still higher, as is parts of the USA. None of the skeptics put their money where there mouth is and took the Nate Silver average temp bet, but you had a shot in some area's.
"NOAA: U.S. Temperature and Precipitation Near-Average for June
July 10, 2009
The June 2009 temperature and precipitation for the contiguous United States were near the long-term average, based on records going back to 1895, according to an analysis by NOAA National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C.
The average June 2009 temperature of 69.5 degrees F was 0.2 degree F above the 20th Century average. Precipitation across the contiguous United States in June 2009 averaged 2.90 inches, which is 0.01 inch above the long-term value.
U.S. Temperature Highlights
Above-normal temperatures prevailed in the South, Southeast, and parts of the Northwest,while below-average temperatures were recorded in the Northeast and areas in the Southwest and North Central regions.
Florida experienced its fourth-warmest June on record. On the cooler side were Massachusetts and Rhode Island, which experienced their ninth- and tenth-coolest June, respectively."
| 951 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:01:01am |
re: #813 opnion
HEY opnion - WHITE America elected the first Black President.
I don't want to hear any more bs from Sharpton,et.al. about Affirmative Action or other bullshit like that.
Now if we could only figure out how to stop Black racism (what? 96% of Blacks voted for Obama and somehow that's NOT racism?!).
That cop/professor thing was between two human beings; one who persisted in yelling "racist" cause it's always worked for him before and the other a cop.
| 952 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:01:12am |
re: #937 iceweasel
I read the MA papers every single day and I've been folowing the story, too. The lawyer's most recent version is not of much interest to me. I'll wait until tomorrow when he claims the cop used the "N-word" or something.
| 953 |
KansasMom Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:01:30am |
re: #938 Mad Al-Jaffee
Yeah, but I'm sure this one will be overpriced. It's in a huge tourist spot (Union Station) in DC.
You can always find a T-shirt, mug or keychain online. zazzle.com probably has something.
| 954 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:01:33am |
re: #911 Kenneth
-BHO
Studies have demonstrated that black & Latinos police officers have been shown to stop blacks & Latinos more often that white police officers do. And while it is politically incorrect to admit it in public, crime rates are higher among blacks & Latinos.
Obama is playing the race card by spewing forth this pap. Shame on him. He has shown terrible leadership and poor judgment. He admitted he did not know the facts in the case, and then felt free to slur the integrity of the Cambridge Police Force.
Are we gonna' be treated to tales of alleged racial injustice at every press conference?
| 955 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:02:02am |
re: #826 midwestgak
Turn needs to get a new dentist, real. They can be removed without any hammering.
Really? How, by drilling?
| 956 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:02:15am |
re: #945 Kenneth
There were several witnesses who saw the whole thing.
Actually, no. They aren't witness to what happened inside the house, which is where the bulk of their conversation took place.
The arrest happened outside.
| 957 |
srb1976 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:02:21am |
Looks like rain here today, got plans to take the Little Man to the movies (Ice Age)
But I gotta let the pugs in before it gets hot = )
| 958 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:02:25am |
re: #954 MandyManners
Are we gonna' be treated to tales of alleged racial injustice at every press conference?
Well easier to do that than justify the screwed up numbers on health care?
| 959 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:02:26am |
re: #949 srb1976
I don't even know what a SBR or a SRB is.
| 960 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:02:36am |
re: #949 srb1976
= )
This is what you get when when you can't think of anything else (I think my first choice was taken, and I was so surprised by registration being open that I couldn't think of anything cute)
Lesson to lurkers:
Have 2 or 3 names thought up, just in case.
And consider making a strategic typo - that's how we got "midwestgak", and we are so pleased to have our very own "gak". I bet nobody else has one.
| 961 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:02:56am |
This Administration simply doesn't get it. They're wrong on the economy - it continues getting worse, and the latest unemployment figures show that the stimulus package did nothing except massively expand the deficit and fund Obama's cronies around the country with no benefit to America as a whole.
Now, Obama's still pushing for health care reform and pushing lies. Even the AP had no choice but admit that the Administration's claims are an epic fail.
Combine the fact that Obama can't get a handle on what the economy is doing or has done since the porkfest was passed, and he's now proposing a massive overhaul of health care delivery in the country that makes no fiscal sense and which will go against everything Obama said even up to last night, and you've got a disaster in the making if Democrats ram this through.
| 962 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:02:58am |
re: #951 realwest
"one who persisted in yelling "racist" cause it's always worked for him before"
And that's the crux of the story right there. Good point.
| 963 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:03:12am |
re: #956 iceweasel
Actually, no. They aren't witness to what happened inside the house, which is where the bulk of their conversation took place.
The arrest happened outside.
Why are you defending this guy. He mouthed off to the Police and acted like an ass.
| 964 |
Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:03:39am |
re: #947 Nevergiveup
Do you scream at the Police if your pulled over? Yes or No
When My Son gets out of the Marines he is going to be a cop..
If he ever pulls me over.. I'll be yelling at him...
Why are you pulling me over? Is it because I'm Santa Claus in America?
You remind this day on Christmas Eve pal!
/ He'll let me go...
| 965 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:03:39am |
OMG! ! !
OBAMA: Well, I should say at the outset that Skip Gates is a friend, so I may be a little biased here. I don't know all the facts. What's been reported though is that the guy forgot his keys, jimmied his way to get into the house. There was a report called in to the police station that there might be a burglary taking place. So far, so good, right? I mean, if I was trying to jigger into -- well, I guess this is my house now, so...(LAUGHTER)... it probably wouldn't happen. But let's say my old house in Chicago. (LAUGHTER)
Not too effing subliminal.
| 966 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:03:44am |
re: #935 Kenneth
AndGates refused to identify himself instead he started yelling abuse at the cops. That behavior is stupid and frankly racist. The cops have a job to do, but Gates is so into his racial paranoia he can't even acknowledge that fact. Meanwhile the POTUS jumps on board the race-card wagon. Post racial president, my ass.
Was the question a plant?
| 967 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:04:30am |
re: #953 KansasMom
You can always find a T-shirt, mug or keychain online. zazzle.com probably has something.
I don't want to mail order anything. We're taking him out to dinner (Morton's steak house!) Sunday, and I want to give him something then.
| 968 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:04:43am |
re: #961 lawhawk
This Administration simply doesn't get it. They're wrong on the economy - it continues getting worse, and the latest unemployment figures show that the stimulus package did nothing except massively expand the deficit and fund Obama's cronies around the country with no benefit to America as a whole.
Now, Obama's still pushing for health care reform and pushing lies. Even the AP had no choice but admit that the Administration's claims are an epic fail.
Combine the fact that Obama can't get a handle on what the economy is doing or has done since the porkfest was passed, and he's now proposing a massive overhaul of health care delivery in the country that makes no fiscal sense and which will go against everything Obama said even up to last night, and you've got a disaster in the making if Democrats ram this through.
Not now! We're watching the birdie.
| 969 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:04:45am |
Gangland-Style Multiple Honour Killing?
Muslim parents and brother of 3 drowned sisters in custody.
Here's a possible new low in religion of peace family violence.
| 970 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:04:49am |
re: #963 Nevergiveup
Why are you defending this guy. He mouthed off to the Police and acted like an ass.
Because he's black and the cop is white.
/LLL logic says cop is automatically a racist
| 971 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:04:59am |
re: #927 3 wood
If you do not understand the market, economics and why the market moves the way it does, I strongly recommend that you assume very little risk. Especially if you are at or nearing retirement age.
Good advice, but I'm a gambler and am playing with money that I'd hate to lose, but not ruin my life if it happened.
| 972 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:05:03am |
re: #950 avanti
Okay, sounds good. But I still don't believe all this global warming is caused by us. Hubris comes to mind. And I would prefer more global warming up here.
| 973 |
srb1976 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:05:38am |
re: #967 Mad Al-Jaffee
I don't want to mail order anything. We're taking him out to dinner (Morton's steak house!) Sunday, and I want to give him something then.
Your local harley store will have something, no doubt...coffee cups, keychains, t-shirts...hell even baby clothes
| 974 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:06:23am |
re: #950 avanti
Dan Riehl tried to get it done, and Silver dickered over the terms and refused.
Besides, isn't the whole fact that individual data points - locations around the country a sign of local weather and not climate change as a whole?
You cannot judge thousands of years worth of information based on a season of weather from a single point on the globe. Oh wait - we only have a few decades of that global data (since satellites have been in orbit). The rest is inferred from multiple sources, not all of which can tell you the climate for 80% of the globe covered in water.
The data should be rendered inconclusive, but people draw conclusions as they see fit to push their agenda of carbon taxes to redistribute wealth. That's what this all comes down to - and the Chinese and Indians aren't going for it, and why should they. The efforts therefore lie in pushing the US to pay for its economic output, lowering our standard of living and paying for the emissions of others.
| 975 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:06:24am |
| 976 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:06:34am |
re: #973 srb1976
Your local harley store will have something, no doubt...coffee cups, keychains, t-shirts...hell even baby clothes
His girlfriend would probably freak out if I got him baby clothes. :)
| 977 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:07:12am |
re: #963 Nevergiveup
Why are you defending this guy. He mouthed off to the Police and acted like an ass.
Mouthing off to the cops isn't illegal. The cops work for the community, not the other way around.
I'd be pretty pissed off if a cop showed up at my door and asked me to step outside without explanation.
Gates refused to do that, produced ID, got angry at the cop. He demanded his name and badge info, which the cop refused to provide. He then followed the cop outside, still demanding the name and badge info, and got arrested.
Gates did yell, I'm sure. But so what? Crowley is a cop; he should have just left.
| 978 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:07:26am |
re: #972 BlueCanuck
Okay, sounds good. But I still don't believe all this global warming is caused by us. Hubris comes to mind. And I would prefer more global warming up here.
Even main stream science is not sure how much of a factor man is, but most believe at least half.
| 979 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:07:40am |
re: #970 Killian Bundy
Because he's black and the cop is white.
/LLL logic says cop is automatically a racist
The cop may not be a racist but he sure acted like a piggy.
| 980 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:07:53am |
What's this I've been hearing about Bill Gates being arrested?
| 981 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:08:03am |
re: #970 Killian Bundy
Because he's black and the cop is white.
/LLL logic says cop is automatically a racist
But, one cop is a Latino so, doesn't that make him WISE?
| 982 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:08:03am |
It looks like some leftists are disillusioned with Obama - Israeli leftists.
When even the hard-core leftists of Haaretz's editorial board feel that a) Obama seems hostile to Israel and b) his policies actually undermine the peace process, his American Jewish supporters ought to take note.
| 983 |
KenJen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:08:23am |
re: #946 Sharmuta
I'm just stunned out of the entire press conference, we're talking about some arrest? Are things that slow in Washington?
Sure is getting people's eyes off the whole health care thing, ain't it?
| 984 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:08:34am |
re: #980 Mad Al-Jaffee
What's this I've been hearing about Bill Gates being arrested?
It's very shiny, isn't it?
| 985 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:08:51am |
re: #983 KenJen
Sure is getting people's eyes off the whole health care thing, ain't it?
And those employment figures.
| 986 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:08:53am |
re: #977 iceweasel
No mouthing off to the Cops is not illegal but freaken stupid. Next you get stopped, do the same thing. I am sure some lawyer could use the fee.
| 987 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:08:56am |
re: #973 srb1976
Your local harley store will have something, no doubt...coffee cups, keychains, t-shirts...hell even baby clothes
Hell, the dachshund pack used to all have Harley dog collars!
| 988 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:09:13am |
re: #974 lawhawk
Can you imagine if the same rationale the GW shysters use was applied to other things?
'Oh my God, it's July and the sun is setting earlier than it did last month! At this rate, we'll be plunged into eternal darkness in just a few months!!! It's the end of the world!!!"
| 989 |
srb1976 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:09:14am |
re: #977 iceweasel
huh, I've had that happen actually = )
Different situtation, but, everything got resolved very easily...
(toddler dialed 911 while playing with phone...even though we told them all was ok, cops came out anyway, and insisted on seeing everyone in the house)
| 990 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:09:18am |
re: #980 Mad Al-Jaffee
What's this I've been hearing about Bill Gates being arrested?
He broke some windows.
| 991 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:09:20am |
re: #930 keithgabryelski
I can't find a link at the moment, but several years ago a study of the records of the Seattle police dept showed that black police officers were more likely to stop black suspects than white police officers were. The study concluded that the reason was that white officers shied away from it for fear of being called racists, while the black officers did it more to prove to their fellow cops that they weren't giving any special treatment to blacks.
Muddying the water of the whole issue is the fact that crime rates for young black males are significantly higher than for young white males. People don't want to admit that, for fear of being called racist.
A black cop in the UK recently ignited a firestorm when he gave a speech saying:
One of Britain's leading black police officers is to demand that more people from ethnic minorities must be stopped and searched if the fight against inner-city gun and knife crime is to succeed.
In a speech that will reignite one of the most contentious issues in British policing, the president of the National Black Police Association will dramatically call for an increase in the policing strategy in black communities. It marks a U-turn by the association, which has previously questioned the high proportion of black people stopped and searched by police.
| 992 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:09:32am |
re: #851 Beach Lover
Im in the lovely state of South Carolina.
Right on ... I've been the Myrtle Beach, Charleston, and Savannah. Lovely beaches. I still prefer nothern California beaches though, much more variety imo. I miss the beach!
| 993 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:09:41am |
| 994 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:10:05am |
re: #986 Nevergiveup
No mouthing off to the Cops is not illegal but freaken stupid.
As I said upthread, Gates got arrested for the 'crime' of being insufficiently deferential.
| 995 |
opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:10:15am |
re: #951 realwest
HEY opnion - WHITE America elected the first Black President.
I don't want to hear any more bs from Sharpton,et.al. about Affirmative Action or other bullshit like that.
Now if we could only figure out how to stop Black racism (what? 96% of Blacks voted for Obama and somehow that's NOT racism?!).
That cop/professor thing was between two human beings; one who persisted in yelling "racist" cause it's always worked for him before and the other a cop.
The entire racial issue in America is toxic. The only politically acceptable attitude is to blame everything on White racism.
Racism cuts across all groups.
| 996 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:10:17am |
What are the chances the MSM will pick up this scandal?
Obama bullies CBO chief the Chicago Way
This is a story that was broken by Ed Morrissey at Hot Air and has now hit the MSM - without crediting Morrissey or Hot Air which is typical behavior for the lazy reporters at most news outlets.
After CBO chief Doug Elmendorf told Congress that passing Obamacare would add substantially to the federal deficit over the next ten years - unwelcome news for Obama who has watched Dems in Congress begin to get cold feet over his health care reform - the president "invited" (ordered?) Elmendorf to a meeting at the White House.
Understand that the Congressional Budget Office is answerable to Congress, not the White House. But this didn't seem to matter to our Chicago Machine president who apparently had some words with the CBO chief about playing ball and not rocking the boat.
A Wall Street Journal opinion piece explains:
Writing on his blog after news of the meeting became public, Mr. Elmendorf diplomatically noted that "The President asked me and outside experts for our views about achieving cost savings in health reform." No doubt he did. But Mr. Elmendorf, a Democrat, will also have received the message that continuing apostasy will not be good for his future political career.
As Douglas Holtz-Eakin, the Republican who ran CBO from 2003 to 2005, put it, "The only appearance could be that they're leaning on him. CBO was created for Congress, for independent analysis. The White House did him [Elmendorf] a terrible disservice." On second thought, perhaps we're being unfair to LBJ, whose method was a combination of muscle and flattery. Mr. Obama learned his methods in Chicago.
| 997 |
justabill Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:10:29am |
| 998 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:11:15am |
Note to police:
/next time you answer a burglary call and the subject inside the house screams rascist! at you, nevermind police procedure, just leave
| 999 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:11:19am |
re: #994 iceweasel
As I said upthread, Gates got arrested for the 'crime' of being insufficiently deferential.
Sorry that is bullshit. Any one with half a brain knows if you get stopped by a cop to be polite. I teach that to my kids. I guess your parents never did.
| 1000 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:11:27am |
| 1001 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:11:29am |
re: #978 avanti
Half? That still seems too high. Unfortunately with Hansen fudging numbers, NASA screwing up data, and Al Gore screaming hysterically about our influence, I don't think the whole facts of the matter will be solved for decades.
| 1002 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:12:00am |
re: #946 Sharmuta
We aren't talking about "some arrest". We are talking about the appalling behavior of the POTUS to call the Cambridge Police Department "stupid", even while admitting he did not know the facts of the case. He showed an appalling lack of leadership.
The character of the president matters, and Obama is showing his character is weak, judgmental and vindictive.
| 1003 |
KenJen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:12:44am |
re: #971 avanti
Good advice, but I'm a gambler and am playing with money that I'd hate to lose, but not ruin my life if it happened.
So if you dont mind me say'in I can see your out of aces. For a taste of your whiskey I'll give you some advice.
| 1004 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:13:00am |
| 1005 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:13:04am |
re: #989 srb1976
huh, I've had that happen actually = )
Different situtation, but, everything got resolved very easily...
(toddler dialed 911 while playing with phone...even though we told them all was ok, cops came out anyway, and insisted on seeing everyone in the house)
I've had that happen once, actually. Accidentally hit "1" on the phone, which was auto-dial for the cops. They didn't come out, but they called immediately and asked a series of questions: "Are you safe?" "Is there someone else there, and is it safe to answer?" etc.
It seems like this Gates/Crowley confrontation started out ok and then everything went very wrong.
| 1006 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:13:33am |
re: #996 NJDhockeyfan
What are the chances the MSM will pick up this scandal?
What did FCBBHO say to Elmendorf in that meeting?
| 1007 |
keithgabryelski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:13:34am |
re: #977 iceweasel
I'd be pretty pissed off if a cop showed up at my door and asked me to step outside without explanation.
Here's the issue: the cop has 911 caller outside on the sidewalk. She claims someone is breaking into THAT HOUSE. Cop walks up to the house, has no idea what the situation is. The guy could be a burglar or worse he could be the owner of the house with a burglar in side it.
The cop asking for Gates to step outside was reasonable. Was reasonable for the cops safety, was reasonable for Gates' safety.
| 1008 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:13:55am |
re: #906 iceweasel
Do you have any links at all to what you're saying? NOTHING YOU'VE SAID OUT HERE TO THAT POINT JIBES WITH EITHER THE POLICE REPORTS or the Boston newspapers.
| 1009 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:14:01am |
re: #1002 Kenneth
And I'm calling faux-outrage and astroturfing. This is bullshit. It's not going to deal with health care, it's not going to deal with the economy, it's not going to keep nukes out of the hands of mad men.
This is a waste of time. But knock yourselves out.
| 1010 |
srb1976 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:14:20am |
re: #1004 turn
Morning srb, how's the little one today?
Her Royal Stoutness has gone to daycare...Little Man and I are going to the movies, and she is still a bit too young...but she loves her daycare class = )
| 1011 |
jc59 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:14:26am |
If only he had watched this video...
| 1012 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:14:38am |
| 1014 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:14:42am |
re: #1006 MandyManners
What did FCBBHO say to Elmendorf in that meeting?
"I'm going to make you an offer you can't refuse."
| 1015 |
CommonCents Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:14:44am |
re: #867 3 wood
In an interview I heard when he was with the White Sox he said he was still
drunk.Dick Allen of the old White Sox once hit an incredible line drive homer into a 30 mph wind to win a game and he was nearly fall down drunk at the time. Chuck Tanner had him on the bench trying to sober him up and sent him up there as a punishment to get embarassed. Instead he went yard.
Allen later said he saw 3 balls coming in and swung at the middle one.
When players on the "juice" was fun.
| 1016 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:14:46am |
re: #979 Spare O'Lake
The cop may not be a racist but he sure acted like a piggy.
Don't read too much into that. Cops aren't very nice when they're dealing with people they think are crooks.
| 1017 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:15:06am |
re: #922 redstateredneck
We had a big Burroughs where I work when I first started here. I had to load the big ass tape drive for the backup each day. I was thrilled when we got a cassette drive.
:-)
I worked with those big tapes too, but with an IRIG data recorder not computers.
| 1018 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:15:07am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
Here's a typical piece of news from our benighted kingdom:
Swine flu cases doubled to 100,000 last week
and the new website crashes straightaway!
From that link:
'People with symptoms of flu were encouraged to call 0800 1 513 100 or check a dedicated website from 3pm today in order to obtain advice and treatment.
But within three minutes of its launch the website had ground to a halt. Visitors trying to get an online diagnosis of their symptoms were given the message: "The Service is currently very busy and cannot deal with your request at this time. Please try again in a little while." '
Typical - blydi typical!
| 1019 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:15:37am |
re: #994 iceweasel
That is just plain speculation. When a cop responds to a call he has no idea what he's going to face when he gets there. When they find a disruptive, unccoperative man who won't stop screaming at them, they have a responsibility to ascertain what the situation is and defuse it. Had Gates spoken calmly and plainly, he would no doubt have been thanked for his co-operation and told to have a nice night.
In my opinion, he saw the complexion of the cop's skin and immediately began thinking in terms dollar signs and P.C. "points".
| 1020 |
Beach Lover Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:15:45am |
re: #920 Bobblehead
I used to live in Columbia. My son still does. Miss it terribly.
I can understand.
| 1021 |
opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:16:00am |
re: #996 NJDhockeyfan
I heard a political panel on TV the other night that expects the Chicago Way to be used on Blue Doga , by guys like Emmanuel.
They speculaterd that they will dig up dirt on them & threaten to go public if they do not play ball on Healthcare.
| 1022 |
srb1976 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:16:13am |
re: #1005 iceweasel
In our case, they called back, and the officer got called off, but came out anyway...just in case.
He insisted on seeing all of us, outside, just to make sure we were not being held @ gunpoint...
We were just glad not to get in trouble for dialing 911 for no reason...still make jokes about Little Man calling the cops on us = )
| 1023 |
apachegunner Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:16:17am |
re: #869 Kosh's Shadow
One of the professors would refer to the days of "wooden computers and iron programmers" - and this was back in the 70's; he was referring to older machines.
I was a autocoder programer using a 2d generation 1400 IBM graduating to the IBM 360, mod 30s and 50s back in the mid 60s
| 1024 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:16:45am |
re: #999 Nevergiveup
Sorry that is bullshit. Any one with half a brain knows if you get stopped by a cop to be polite. I teach that to my kids. I guess your parents never did.
Well, I have a very different idea of the role of police and their responsibilities to the community. Maybe I get that from the law enforcement officials in my own family.
Cops are supposed to be polite to citizens, and cops work for us. It's hard for them but they've chosen that task, and they have a responsibility to adhere to the higher standards set for them than the standards for the ordinary person. The vast majority of them do that the vast majority of the time.
| 1025 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:16:50am |
re: #1021 opnion
I heard a political panel on TV the other night that expects the Chicago Way to be used on Blue Doga , by guys like Emmanuel.
They speculaterd that they will dig up dirt on them & threaten to go public if they do not play ball on Healthcare.
After one of them wakes up with a horse's ass in bed with him, they'll all fall in line.
| 1026 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:17:03am |
re: #1002 Kenneth
We aren't talking about "some arrest". We are talking about the appalling behavior of the POTUS to call the Cambridge Police Department "stupid", even while admitting he did not know the facts of the case. He showed an appalling lack of leadership.
The character of the president matters, and Obama is showing his character is weak, judgmental and vindictive.
And, willfully ignorant.
I maintain that question was a plant.
| 1027 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:18:06am |
re: #1023 apachegunner
I was a autocoder programer using a 2d generation 1400 IBM graduating to the IBM 360, mod 30s and 50s back in the mid 60s
So you went from the days of wooden computers to the more modern age (the 360).
1400 was a serial machine, wasn't it? It was a bit before my time.
| 1028 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:18:13am |
re: #1024 iceweasel
Well, I have a very different idea of the role of police and their responsibilities to the community. Maybe I get that from the law enforcement officials in my own family.
Cops are supposed to be polite to citizens, and cops work for us. It's hard for them but they've chosen that task, and they have a responsibility to adhere to the higher standards set for them than the standards for the ordinary person. The vast majority of them do that the vast majority of the time.
Cops are people and they respond in kind. Fine, be snotty to the next cop you confront, be my guest.
| 1029 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:18:23am |
re: #1018 yma o hyd
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
Here's a typical piece of news from our benighted kingdom:
Swine flu cases doubled to 100,000 last weekand the new website crashes straightaway!
From that link:
'People with symptoms of flu were encouraged to call 0800 1 513 100 or check a dedicated website from 3pm today in order to obtain advice and treatment.But within three minutes of its launch the website had ground to a halt. Visitors trying to get an online diagnosis of their symptoms were given the message: "The Service is currently very busy and cannot deal with your request at this time. Please try again in a little while." '
Typical - blydi typical!
Yma - that is so funny!
When Katrina was headed toward the state of Louisiana a few years back, state employees were given a toll-free number to call after the storm to find out the status of their workplace - open, closed, whatever.
The call center was located in New Orleans; totally crashed.
| 1030 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:18:26am |
re: #994 iceweasel
As I said upthread, Gates got arrested for the 'crime' of being insufficiently deferential.
I have a idea of how it works, blacks may tend to be hypersensitive to the issue. I had a very nice black customer for my stereo store that was designing a high end home theater system. He walked up to the counter, and a white lady grabbed her purse off the counter next to him and held it.
I did not even notice the move, but the black guy did and said "Lady, I'm not going to steal your purse " After he left, the lady said she was not racist, but admitted she was not sure why she moved the purse so quickly.
| 1031 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:18:31am |
re: #1026 MandyManners
And, willfully ignorant.
I maintain that question was a plant.
Maybe it was since we're stupid enough to get worked up over it and ignore the larger picture. It's like we're punking ourselves. Sad to watch.
| 1032 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:18:39am |
re: #1008 realwest
Do you have any links at all to what you're saying? NOTHING YOU'VE SAID OUT HERE TO THAT POINT JIBES WITH EITHER THE POLICE REPORTS or the Boston newspapers.
I posted them upthread. This is all a distraction from the real issues anyway.
But most of the right, and all of the media, will enjoy frothing over this rather than talking about health care. This is going to go on for at least a week.
| 1033 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:18:42am |
| 1034 |
calcajun Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:19:05am |
| 1035 |
ladycatnip Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:19:13am |
#965 redstateredneck
OBAMA: Well, I should say at the outset that Skip Gates is a friend, so I may be a little biased here. I don't know all the facts. What's been reported though is that the guy forgot his keys, jimmied his way to get into the house. There was a report called in to the police station that there might be a burglary taking place. So far, so good, right? I mean, if I was trying to jigger into -- well, I guess this is my house now, so...(LAUGHTER)... it probably wouldn't happen. But let's say my old house in Chicago. (LAUGHTER)
Would someone please tell this empty suit that the White House ISN'T his house. What pompous arrogance.
| 1036 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:19:15am |
re: #1014 Kosh's Shadow
"I'm going to make you an offer you can't refuse."
I wonder if Rahm asked him if he liked fish.
| 1037 |
subsailor68 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:19:17am |
Morning all!! Hope everyone had a great night.
Here's an exchange from the press conference that didn't make the official transcript for some reason:
Reporter: "Mr. President, could you give us your insight into the law of supply and demand?"
Obama: "Why, I'd be happy to, Bob. It's a simple, but immutable, concept in economics. I need a large supply of your money, and I demand you give it to me. That, in a nutshell, is the law of supply and demand."
Reporter: "Sir, I've got to say, you're creeping me out here."
Obama: "Oh, I'm just getting started."
(Okay, I made that up.)
;-)
| 1038 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:19:32am |
re: #994 iceweasel
As I said upthread, Gates got arrested for the 'crime' of being insufficiently deferential.
That happens, iceweasel. Police don't like people mouthing off like that. When you do it, they tend to run you in.
| 1039 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:19:46am |
re: #1003 KenJen
So if you dont mind me say'in I can see your out of aces. For a taste of your whiskey I'll give you some advice.
DOW up 155, at 9055, I'm on a bluff so far.
| 1040 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:20:34am |
re: #1019 Lincolntf
That is just plain speculation. When a cop responds to a call he has no idea what he's going to face when he gets there. When they find a disruptive, unccoperative man who won't stop screaming at them, they have a responsibility to ascertain what the situation is and defuse it. Had Gates spoken calmly and plainly, he would no doubt have been thanked for his co-operation and told to have a nice night.
In my opinion, he saw the complexion of the cop's skin and immediately began thinking in terms dollar signs and P.C. "points".
Quite Concur.
| 1041 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:20:41am |
46 million uninsured
16 million can afford, but don't
20 million illegal aliensre: #966 MandyManners
Was the question a plant?
yes...his handlers told the reporter to ask the question if the press conference was tanking...
| 1042 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:20:43am |
re: #1007 keithgabryelski
Here's the issue: the cop has 911 caller outside on the sidewalk. She claims someone is breaking into THAT HOUSE. Cop walks up to the house, has no idea what the situation is. The guy could be a burglar or worse he could be the owner of the house with a burglar in side it.
The cop asking for Gates to step outside was reasonable. Was reasonable for the cops safety, was reasonable for Gates' safety.
Very good point. How did the cop know that there wasn't a burglar still in the house--with a hostage!
| 1043 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:21:09am |
re: #1031 Sharmuta
Maybe it was since we're stupid enough to get worked up over it and ignore the larger picture. It's like we're punking ourselves. Sad to watch.
I have no idea how this topic got started. I just got here.
| 1044 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:21:21am |
re: #1002 Kenneth
We aren't talking about "some arrest". We are talking about the appalling behavior of the POTUS to call the Cambridge Police Department "stupid", even while admitting he did not know the facts of the case. He showed an appalling lack of leadership.
The character of the president matters, and Obama is showing his character is weak, judgmental and vindictive.
payback is a bitch...
| 1045 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:21:56am |
re: #1038 Dark_Falcon
That happens, iceweasel. Police don't like people mouthing off like that. When you do it, they tend to run you in.
Being rude to the cops isn't a crime. Cops abusing their authority to hassle people who haven't even broken the law happens all the time too. Sometimes the cops even get in trouble for it.
| 1046 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:21:56am |
re: #1035 ladycatnip
#965 redstateredneck
Would someone please tell this empty suit that the White House ISN'T his house. What pompous arrogance.
That's not the first time he's referred to it as his house, IIRC.
| 1047 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:22:01am |
re: #1015 CommonCents
When players on the "juice" was fun.
There was a really funny SNL sketch about the all drug Olympics in the 90s.
| 1048 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:22:16am |
re: #1029 reine.de.tout
Yma - that is so funny!
When Katrina was headed toward the state of Louisiana a few years back, state employees were given a toll-free number to call after the storm to find out the status of their workplace - open, closed, whatever.
The call center was located in New Orleans; totally crashed.
Its astonishing that administrations who proclaim themselves to be so tech-savvy are jsut not capable of doing it right!
About this NHS/Government swine flu site: what the ehck did they expect? The governemnt has for days now launched scare stories in the MFM, about 65.000 people dying (well, eleven have, so far!), and about not going to see a doctor or going to A&E - so what the heck did they expect?
It beggars belief!
| 1049 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:22:17am |
re: #965 redstateredneck
Good catch. Obama chooses his words carefully, & I'm guessing he knew what he was doing when he said that word. It's a text book example of NLP style of talking. He uses NLP techniques all the time.
| 1050 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:22:34am |
re: #916 Nevergiveup
That is NOT what i have read. I read he forced the back door open
And of course, after getting in through the back door, he couldn' open the front door from insided the house, so he went out front to jimmy open the front door!/
Regardless of what actually happend the President of the United States of America, after saying he didn't know the facts of the case decided to pontificate about it. A lack of judgment consistent with his behavior as both candidate and POTUS.
| 1051 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:22:35am |
re: #1025 Kosh's Shadow
After one of them wakes up with a horse's ass in bed with him, they'll all fall in line.
Just when I though I was out, they pulled me back in.
| 1052 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:22:51am |
re: #961 lawhawk
This Administration simply doesn't get it. They're wrong on the economy - it continues getting worse, and the latest unemployment figures show that the stimulus package did nothing except massively expand the deficit and fund Obama's cronies around the country with no benefit to America as a whole.
Now, Obama's still pushing for health care reform and pushing lies. Even the AP had no choice but admit that the Administration's claims are an epic fail.
Combine the fact that Obama can't get a handle on what the economy is doing or has done since the porkfest was passed, and he's now proposing a massive overhaul of health care delivery in the country that makes no fiscal sense and which will go against everything Obama said even up to last night, and you've got a disaster in the making if Democrats ram this through.
Sad- this comment only has a +2 at the moment. I think this is far more important than Gates. What's going on?
| 1053 |
VegasRick Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:23:25am |
| 1054 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:23:40am |
re: #1030 avanti
I have a idea of how it works, blacks may tend to be hypersensitive to the issue. I had a very nice black customer for my stereo store that was designing a high end home theater system. He walked up to the counter, and a white lady grabbed her purse off the counter next to him and held it.
I did not even notice the move, but the black guy did and said "Lady, I'm not going to steal your purse " After he left, the lady said she was not racist, but admitted she was not sure why she moved the purse so quickly.
If you live with that sort of thing happening to you every day, you're going to respond differently than someone who never encounters it.
| 1055 |
srb1976 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:23:44am |
re: #1045 iceweasel
Being rude to the cops isn't a crime. Cops abusing their authority to hassle people who haven't even broken the law happens all the time too. Sometimes the cops even get in trouble for it.
Maybe it's not a crime, but I don't make a practice of being rude to people who are doing their jobs...sure all the "they work for us" stuff is true, but a little politeness (not defference...politeness) goes a LONG way
| 1056 |
Beach Lover Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:23:46am |
re: #992 turn
Right on ... I've been the Myrtle Beach, Charleston, and Savannah. Lovely beaches. I still prefer nothern California beaches though, much more variety imo. I miss the beach!
really? where in No Cal? We lived in the east bay for 4 yrs. But from what I saw of the beaches...they were too cold! Lovely to look at, but not really my kind of beach.
| 1057 |
opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:23:47am |
re: #1019 Lincolntf
The unspekable must be spoken. Professor Gates is a Professor of African & African American History. Da ya think that maybe he sees events through a racial prism & saw this as an opportunity to be outraged?
| 1058 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:23:59am |
Bad news, everybody; It's good news...
U.S. stocks add to gains after housing data
U.S. added to early gains on Thursday after news that U.S. sales of existing homes rose for a third straight month in June. The Dow Jones Industrial Average /quotes/comstock/10w!i:dji/delayed (INDU 9,056, +174.80, +1.97%) gained 91 points, or 1%, to 8,973, well off a morning low of 8,866. The S&P 500 index /quotes/comstock/21z!i1:inx (SPX 974.74, +20.67, +2.17%) rose 10 points, or 1%, to 964, while the Nasdaq Composite /quotes/comstock/10y!i:comp (COMP 1,964, +38.11, +1.98%) jumped 23 points, or 1.2%, to 1,949. Resales of U.S. single-family homes and condos rose 3.6% in June to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 4.89 million, the highest level since last October, the National Association of Realtors reported. Economists surveyed by MarketWatch expected sales to rise to 4.85 million.
| 1059 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:24:02am |
re: #1045 iceweasel
Being rude to the cops isn't a crime. Cops abusing their authority to hassle people who haven't even broken the law happens all the time too. Sometimes the cops even get in trouble for it.
True, but obstructing a police officer going about his duties can be. If you refuse to comply with an officers requests he can arrest you.
| 1060 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:24:26am |
| 1061 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:24:58am |
re: #1025 Kosh's Shadow
After one of them wakes up with a horse's ass in bed with him...
Sounds like Michelle, every morning.
| 1062 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:25:18am |
re: #1035 ladycatnip
#965 redstateredneck
Would someone please tell this empty suit that the White House ISN'T his house. What pompous arrogance.
It is his house for a few years. If you rent, and invite friends over, do you say "Come over to my landlords house" If anything, he seems very differential to all the perks and jokes about it as he did about the new helicopter talk. He said he liked the old copter just fine, but never had a helicopter before to judge.
| 1063 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:25:25am |
re: #1034 calcajun
The ROP is at it again
Let's see which legal system the Brits rely on.
Hopefully they throw the scum that committed this crime into prison for life.
| 1064 |
formercorpsman Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:25:35am |
re: #1024 iceweasel
Why did the officer ask him to step outside?
| 1065 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:25:55am |
Obama told reporters at a televised White House news conference that he supports creating a special commission of doctors and experts to come up with ways on how to reduce healthcare costs. (Writing by Tom Doggett)
Don't you usually do that FIRST before you try to cram shit down someone's throat?
| 1066 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:25:57am |
re: #1057 opnion
Yup. It's how he makes his living. Every bit of outrage at 'Whitey" fattens his wallet.
| 1067 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:26:14am |
re: #1059 BlueCanuck
True, but obstructing a police officer going about his duties can be. If you refuse to comply with an officers requests he can arrest you.
But the only thing Gates refused to comply with was the officer's demand that he immediately step outside.
I'm very pro-police generally, but I don't like the idea of cops arresting people for having been rude to them.
| 1068 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:26:17am |
| 1069 |
VegasRick Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:26:19am |
re: #1060 Charpete67
scuse my ignorance...what is WAB?
Michelle Obama - Whiney Ass Bitch. LGF lexicon.
| 1070 |
CommonCents Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:26:20am |
re: #1047 Mad Al-Jaffee
There was a really funny SNL sketch about the all drug Olympics in the 90s.
Missed it. I've never been an SNL fan even before I was politically 'knowledgeable'.
| 1071 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:26:26am |
re: #1035 ladycatnip
#965 redstateredneck
Would someone please tell this empty suit that the White House ISN'T his house. What pompous arrogance.
When he said that if jimmied the door to the WH he would be shot, people laughed, but I didn't get it. Did I miss something.
| 1072 |
Pianobuff Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:26:28am |
re: #1058 Killgore Trout
Bad news, everybody; It's good news...
U.S. stocks add to gains after housing data
Why would you say "bad news, everbody"? Do you think folks here want the economy to suck?
| 1073 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:26:33am |
Meanwhile, still on swine flu, the Fwench take the biscuit:
From that link:
'British schoolchildren with swine flu were treated like 'dangerous criminals' before being kicked out of France.
The 14-year-olds and their teachers were forced to wear surgical masks and shoes while being treated by medics in anti-contamination suits.
They were sworn at by local people and told to 'go home to your disease-ridden country'.
'We were treated appallingly,' said a member of the party from Lea Manor High School, in Luton.
'It was as if we were dangerous criminals. The French wanted us back across the Channel as quickly as possible. It was horrendous.' '
Pretty nasty - but one has to ask why they even went on that trip when their school had been closed down because some pupils had swine flu.
Gawd - I love hsyteria ... NOT!
| 1074 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:26:57am |
re: #1065 Nevergiveup
Obama told reporters at a televised White House news conference that he supports creating a special commission of doctors and experts to come up with ways on how to reduce healthcare costs. (Writing by Tom Doggett)
Don't you usually do that FIRST before you try to cram shit down someone's throat?
You do if your intention is to reduce healthcare costs.
Not if your intention is to create a public health system.
| 1075 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:27:00am |
re: #1042 VioletTiger
Very good point. How did the cop know that there wasn't a burglar still in the house--with a hostage!
And if he traced the call, he could have told the babysitter that the calls are coming FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!!! GET OUT NOW!!!
| 1077 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:27:25am |
re: #1009 Sharmuta
In case you are wondering, nobody here is dealing with healthcare or the economy or anything else. We are sharing our opinions about various issues of the day.
There are several other people on this thread discussing the economy and healthcare, & you are free to join them. It is odd that you choose to not talk about the racism issue by joining the discussion to announce you are not joining it. Ok.
But you may have a point: is Obama stirring up this issue to distract attention from his failing healthcare agenda and perhaps rally his base around him?
| 1078 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:27:32am |
re: #946 Sharmuta
We're only talking about it in the context of the press conference because Obama brought it up in the Press conference.
Other than that, the only NEW thing Obama said during the press conference was, apparently, that we need Obamacare to stimulate the economy.
No really, that's what he said!
| 1079 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:28:03am |
re: #1073 yma o hyd
Meanwhile, still on swine flu, the Fwench take the biscuit:
From that link:
'British schoolchildren with swine flu were treated like 'dangerous criminals' before being kicked out of France.The 14-year-olds and their teachers were forced to wear surgical masks and shoes while being treated by medics in anti-contamination suits.
They were sworn at by local people and told to 'go home to your disease-ridden country'.
'We were treated appallingly,' said a member of the party from Lea Manor High School, in Luton.
'It was as if we were dangerous criminals. The French wanted us back across the Channel as quickly as possible. It was horrendous.' '
Pretty nasty - but one has to ask why they even went on that trip when their school had been closed down because some pupils had swine flu.
Gawd - I love hsyteria ... NOT!
The French being rude? Say it ain't so!
| 1080 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:28:19am |
re: #1050 realwest
And of course, after getting in through the back door, he couldn' open the front door from insided the house, so he went out front to jimmy open the front door!/
Regardless of what actually happend the President of the United States of America, after saying he didn't know the facts of the case decided to pontificate about it. A lack of judgment consistent with his behavior as both candidate and POTUS.
Not a surprise though, from the man who was friends with Bill Ayers.
| 1081 |
CommonCents Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:28:22am |
re: #1058 Killgore Trout
Bad news, everybody; It's good news...
U.S. stocks add to gains after housing data
I had to downding you for the intro. Although the story is positive.
| 1082 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:28:24am |
| 1083 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:28:39am |
re: #1067 iceweasel
Not complying with a lawful order from a duly appointed officer of the law is not synonymous with simple "rudeness".
You'd think a brainy guy like Gates could come up with a better excuse than that for his obnoxious behavior.
| 1084 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:28:56am |
re: #1067 iceweasel
I learned the hard way not to be stupid to police officers. They can and will use it against you. Being belligerent is not the smart thing to do when an officer requests something of you. It smacks of stupidity, and police officers hate dealing with stupid people. It creates far more paper work for them in the long run.
| 1085 |
srb1976 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:29:02am |
re: #1073 yma o hyd
This is the same swine flu that's being described as "milder than the regular flu" right?
We had a couple of schools close around here in the first weeks or so of the panic, but here lately, they're just dealing...send the sick kids home and don't worry
| 1086 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:29:11am |
re: #1046 redstateredneck
That's not the first time he's referred to it as his house, IIRC.
My house is a very very very fine house, with two cats in the yard . . .
Or dog. Whatever.
| 1087 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:29:18am |
re: #1058 Killgore Trout
A couple things from that data. Sales usually increase during the spring, and sales go to contract and close in June. They usually taper off in the fall, which is why it's somewhat misleading to note that it's the highest numbers since October - that's what usually happens every year.
That's not exactly news.
The news is the experts thought that 4.84 million units would move. 4.89 million did. That's positive news to be sure, but also shows that as housing becomes more affordable - the median prices in many areas has dropped after the market bubble burst, so those qualifying purchasers are looking to pick up deals.
The foreclosure market has something to do with that too - the foreclosed properties are a bargain compared to market rate, and that drives the prices down (a good thing if you're looking to buy, but not so good if you're trying to sell in one of those markets badly affected by the foreclosures, and high unemployment areas (FL, NV, AZ, come to mind).
| 1088 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:29:25am |
re: #1077 Kenneth
In case you are wondering, nobody here is dealing with healthcare or the economy or anything else. We are sharing our opinions about various issues of the day.
There are several other people on this thread discussing the economy and healthcare, & you are free to join them. It is odd that you choose to not talk about the racism issue by joining the discussion to announce you are not joining it. Ok.
But you may have a point: is Obama stirring up this issue to distract attention from his failing healthcare agenda and perhaps rally his base around him?
I expect to see something similar every time he's on the ropes.
| 1089 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:29:29am |
Well you people can all get your heads straight if you want: Patton is on the AMC channel.
| 1090 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:29:31am |
| 1091 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:29:33am |
re: #1065 Nevergiveup
Obama told reporters at a televised White House news conference that he supports creating a special commission of doctors and experts to come up with ways on how to reduce healthcare costs. (Writing by Tom Doggett)
Don't you usually do that FIRST before you try to cram shit down someone's throat?
Not in Obamaland, especially not hwern PB0 has already decreed the outcome.
Its like the ugly sisters in Cinderella: here's the shoe, now go and hack off your toes ...!
| 1092 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:29:43am |
re: #1073 yma o hyd
Meanwhile, still on swine flu, the Fwench take the biscuit:
From that link:
'British schoolchildren with swine flu were treated like 'dangerous criminals' before being kicked out of France.The 14-year-olds and their teachers were forced to wear surgical masks and shoes while being treated by medics in anti-contamination suits.
They were sworn at by local people and told to 'go home to your disease-ridden country'.
'We were treated appallingly,' said a member of the party from Lea Manor High School, in Luton.
'It was as if we were dangerous criminals. The French wanted us back across the Channel as quickly as possible. It was horrendous.' '
Pretty nasty - but one has to ask why they even went on that trip when their school had been closed down because some pupils had swine flu.
Gawd - I love hsyteria ... NOT!
Amazing to me that anyone would have expected the French to act politely.
| 1093 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:29:46am |
| 1094 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:29:54am |
re: #1084 BlueCanuck
I learned the hard way not to be stupid to police officers. They can and will use it against you. Being belligerent is not the smart thing to do when an officer requests something of you. It smacks of stupidity, and police officers hate dealing with stupid people. It creates far more paper work for them in the long run.
Be sure to tell the next cop that pulls you over that "my taxes pay your salary." They love to hear that one!
/
| 1095 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:29:55am |
re: #1054 iceweasel
I think Jessie Jackson once said he saw a group of black youths walking toward him one evening, and was embarrassed to being more uncomfortable then he hoped he would be. He was talking about the effect black on black crime was having in their own community.
| 1096 |
badger1970 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:30:06am |
re: #1065 Nevergiveup
I don't think he expected this much flak and now is just throwing things out to try to placate his base. The cynical side of me when hearing about a commission to reduce costs is thinking of ways to decrease a person's lifespan.
| 1097 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:30:35am |
re: #1086 midwestgak
My house is a very very very fine house, with two cats in the yard . . .
Or dog. Whatever.
"Life used to be so hard..."
| 1098 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:30:40am |
re: #1086 midwestgak
My house is a very very very fine house, with two cats in the yard . . .
Or dog. Whatever.
Our house, in the middle of our street
| 1099 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:30:40am |
re: #1045 iceweasel
Being rude to the cops isn't a crime. Cops abusing their authority to hassle people who haven't even broken the law happens all the time too. Sometimes the cops even get in trouble for it.
Obstructing police is a crime. The police officer was acting appropriately when he asked Gates for his ID. Gates refused to provide it, which is obstruction. Add to that, the man was angry, yelling and calling the cop a racist. That is very provocative behavior.
| 1100 |
Pianobuff Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:31:05am |
re: #1087 lawhawk
A couple things from that data. Sales usually increase during the spring, and sales go to contract and close in June. They usually taper off in the fall, which is why it's somewhat misleading to note that it's the highest numbers since October - that's what usually happens every year.
That's not exactly news.
The news is the experts thought that 4.84 million units would move. 4.89 million did. That's positive news to be sure, but also shows that as housing becomes more affordable - the median prices in many areas has dropped after the market bubble burst, so those qualifying purchasers are looking to pick up deals.
The foreclosure market has something to do with that too - the foreclosed properties are a bargain compared to market rate, and that drives the prices down (a good thing if you're looking to buy, but not so good if you're trying to sell in one of those markets badly affected by the foreclosures, and high unemployment areas (FL, NV, AZ, come to mind).
Any idea whether this is pushing inventories up or down? That's where (IMO) the numbers start reconciling into real movement one way or the other.
| 1101 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:31:12am |
re: #1072 Pianobuff
Why would you say "bad news, everbody"? Do you think folks here want the economy to suck?
Yes, many conservatives are counting on Obama trashing the economy. I don't think it's going to happen. Better start planing for the possibility of an economic recovery.
The DOW is at its highest level since January but the only economic news you'll find on right wing blogs is stuff like this (via Hot Air): “We are now in the early stages of a depression”
| 1102 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:31:23am |
re: #1098 Mad Al-Jaffee
Our house, in the middle of our street
Where it gets repeatedly hit by traffic...
| 1103 |
srb1976 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:31:24am |
Ok, gotta run...time to get the jeep cleaned out to take little man to the movies
| 1104 |
eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:31:25am |
re: #1065 Nevergiveup
Obama told reporters at a televised White House news conference that he supports creating a special commission of doctors and experts to come up with ways on how to reduce healthcare costs. (Writing by Tom Doggett)
Don't you usually do that FIRST before you try to cram shit down someone's throat?
I wonder what would happen if the commission decided tort reform was the best solution?
Oh wait, I forgot... commission members would all be dems... never mind.
| 1105 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:31:31am |
re: #961 lawhawk
NO, no, no. Obama said if the Obamacare bill is passed it will stimulate the economy. That's the ticket!
Course, what the hell are a few thousand more unemployed people who USED to work for the private insurance companies go out of business is just a drop in the bucket!
| 1106 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:31:39am |
| 1107 |
bloodnok Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:32:10am |
re: #1052 Sharmuta
Sad- this comment only has a +2 at the moment. I think this is far more important than Gates. What's going on?
| 1108 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:32:35am |
re: #1058 Killgore Trout
KT, I often agree with you, but you really need to drop the "everybody", even on the right, most don't want the country to fail just to make Obama look bad.
| 1109 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:32:38am |
re: #1057 opnion
The unspekable must be spoken. Professor Gates is a Professor of African & African American History. Da ya think that maybe he sees events through a racial prism & saw this as an opportunity to be outraged?
Let's assume Gates is a drooling racist. That still does not excuse the officer's conduct.
| 1110 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:32:48am |
re: #1085 srb1976
This is the same swine flu that's being described as "milder than the regular flu" right?
We had a couple of schools close around here in the first weeks or so of the panic, but here lately, they're just dealing...send the sick kids home and don't worry
Yep - thats the exact same swine flu!
But for our NuLab government it really pays off to get the whole country in a tizzy about this, ebcause it distracts them from looking at what Gord and his minions are really up to ...
Or so they hope ...!
| 1111 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:32:50am |
re: #964 HoosierHoops
Hi ya Hoops! Hey, just hope he doesn't taze you bro'!
| 1112 |
BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:32:53am |
re: #1083 Lincolntf
Not complying with a lawful order from a duly appointed officer of the law is not synonymous with simple "rudeness".
You'd think a brainy guy like Gates could come up with a better excuse than that for his obnoxious behavior.
A citizen in his own home, who has already shown ID has some 'duty' to comply with-- what orders? None. The cop already had seen ID, already knew Gates lived there, refused to give his name or badge number-- and then arrested Gates for following him outside demanding it.
That's all I have to say on this issue. No offence to you, of course, but I don't think there's much 'there' there.
| 1113 |
Beach Lover Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:33:03am |
Hey...just learned that Mr Beach shares his birthday today with...Monica Lewinsky!
| 1114 |
Alouenghazi Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:33:06am |
re: #1003 KenJen
So if you dont mind me say'in I can see your out of aces. For a taste of your whiskey I'll give you some advice.
You got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And when to run
You never count your money
While you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done
| 1116 |
subsailor68 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:33:16am |
Some cops do have a sense of humor. A friend of mine has a concealed carry permit, and was stopped by an officer for speeding. Per law, he gave the officer his driver's license and his ccp card.
The officer thanked him, and asked if he had a weapon in the car at that time.
My friend answered, "Yes sir, I do. Would you like to see it?"
The officer said, "Tell ya what. You don't show me yours, and I won't show you mine."
He also let my friend off with a warning.
| 1117 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:33:46am |
re: #1101 Killgore Trout
With the inflation Obama is inducing, further economic troubles are a certainty. You are in error, Killgore.
| 1118 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:33:51am |
re: #1113 Beach Lover
Hey...just learned that Mr Beach shares his birthday today with...Monica Lewinsky!
So what are you gonna give him...?
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:34:19am |
re: #996 NJDhockeyfan
What are the chances the MSM will pick up this scandal?
What scandal? Frankly, there's no actual story here - only spin. Elmendorf isn't claiming he was strongarmed; the CBO hasn't altered it's estimates; there is no prohibition on the President meeting with the head of the CBO. The author takes a few sparse facts and weaves them with pure speculation to create the suggestion that something untoward took place.
I'd like nothing better than a story showing unethical strong arming by the White House. But this piece is a work of fiction; it offers exactly no evidence at all to back up it's allegations.
I used to really like Ed Morrisey; his columns at Captain's Quarters were thoughtful and well researched, and he never allowed himself to get out in front of facts and fill in the blanks with wishful thinking. Unfortunately, that has all changed since his move to Hot Air, where he has joined in the company of shrill ideological zealots engaging in negativity for the sheer sake of being negative, facts and careful thought be damned. I understand Ed's need for income. But reporting has lost a genuine talent.
If Elmendorf comes out and says he was badgered by the White House, there will be story to report. He works for Congress; he has nothing to lose by coming forward if there has been a breach of ethics. Until he changes his story, or some actual facts emerge, the only charitable thing that can be said about this article is that it belongs squarely on the editorial page - not in the news section.
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formercorpsman Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:34:21am |
re: #1024 iceweasel
Sorry about that.
Good morning iceweasel.
Do you know why did the officer ask him to step outside?
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:34:25am |
re: #1078 realwest
...we need Obamacare to stimulate the economy.
No really, that's what he said!
OMG! That is jaw-dropping stupid economics.
The money spent on private healthcare isn't "stimulating the economy", but if we take that money, run it through the gov't coffers and then spend it through a massive gov't bureaucracy, then it will "stimulate".
Is this the line of reasoning that runs through Obama's head?
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:34:27am |
re: #1094 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Be sure to tell the next cop that pulls you over that "my taxes pay your salary." They love to hear that one!
/
What's the matter officer? Dunking Doughnuts closed?
/They love that one..
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realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:34:29am |
re: #965 redstateredneck
Obama is not know for his subtlety. Just sayin...!
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:34:35am |
re: #1087 lawhawk
We're still ahead of seasonally adjusted estimates: Home Resales in U.S. Increased More Than Forecast
Home resales in the U.S. rose in June for a third consecutive month, spurred by tax incentives, lower borrowing costs and foreclosure-driven declines in prices.
Purchases climbed 3.6 percent to an annual rate of 4.89 million, stronger than forecast and the highest level since October, the National Association of Realtors said today in Washington. Median prices fell 15 percent.
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Charpete67 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:34:40am |
re: #1099 Kenneth
Obstructing police is a crime. The police officer was acting appropriately when he asked Gates for his ID. Gates refused to provide it, which is obstruction. Add to that, the man was angry, yelling and calling the cop a racist. That is very provocative behavior.
that makes me think about how they say cops develop a sixth sense in their work...if someone doesn't want you to come into your house or car and they're being belligerent, it may be that they're hiding something.
I'm not saying the prof had anything to hide or that it's OK to search without consent, I'm just saying that none of us were there and maybe we should give the cops the benefit of the doubt until the facts are out...unlike the president.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:35:07am |
re: #1101 Killgore Trout
Yes, many conservatives are counting on Obama trashing the economy. I don't think it's going to happen. Better start planing for the possibility of an economic recovery.
The DOW is at its highest level since January but the only economic news you'll find on right wing blogs is stuff like this (via Hot Air): “We are now in the early stages of a depression”
Yes, the economy is great. Just ask these people how things are going.
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- First-time claims for state unemployment benefits bounced higher in the latest week, rising by 30,000 to a total of 554,000, the Labor Department reported Thursday.The rebound in claims for the weeke ended July 18 reflected ongoing volatility in the data due to automobile-industry layoffs, a department spokesman said.
Meanwhile, the four-week moving average of initial claims, a measure of the underlying employment trend, fell by 19,000 to 566,000. It was the lowest level for the four-week average since late January.
Continuing claims for unemployment benefits also fell, down by 88,000 in the week ended July 11 to 6.22 million.
Analysts surveyed by MarketWatch had been expecting initial claims to rise to 575,000 in the July 18 week.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:35:20am |
re: #1113 Beach Lover
Hey...just learned that Mr Beach shares his birthday today with...Monica Lewinsky!
must resist must resist must resist
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Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:35:28am |
re: #1112 iceweasel
You have the attorney's description of events down pat. I hope you don't always believe everything a defense attorney says.
Sadly, Obama couldn't even familiarize himself with such basic info. before rendering his verdict.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:35:37am |
re: #1117 Dark_Falcon
With the inflation Obama is inducing, further economic troubles are a certainty.
Can you tell me what the current rate of inflation is now?
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:35:38am |
re: #1077 Kenneth
But you may have a point: is Obama stirring up this issue to distract attention from his failing healthcare agenda and perhaps rally his base around him?
My first comment this morning was about the film 'Wag the Dog', so yes- it's my opinion this is a distraction. It's been an ongoing theme with a few other people as well- we've been monitoring this trend and making jokes about shiny objects and watching the birdie. I'm curious as to why it keeps happening.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:36:14am |
re: #1098 Mad Al-Jaffee
Our house, in the middle of our street
You must get a lot of cars running into the house, then. Wouldn't it be better if it was on the side of the street?
///
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yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:36:46am |
re: #1092 reine.de.tout
Amazing to me that anyone would have expected the French to act politely.
On the one hand, sure.
On the other - these were school children. Bit bad, that.
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realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:37:20am |
re: #977 iceweasel
What? Gates couldn't read the badge number off the cops badge itself? PUUULLEEEZZE!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:37:23am |
re: #1132 yma o hyd
On the one hand, sure.
On the other - these were school children. Bit bad, that.
true,that.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:37:24am |
re: #1121 Kenneth
OMG! That is jaw-dropping stupid economics.
The money spent on private healthcare isn't "stimulating the economy", but if we take that money, run it through the gov't coffers and then spend it through a massive gov't bureaucracy, then it will "stimulate".Is this the line of reasoning that runs through Obama's head?
I don't call him FCBBHO for nothing.
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badger1970 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:37:32am |
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Pianobuff Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:37:36am |
re: #1101 Killgore Trout
Yes, many conservatives are counting on Obama trashing the economy. I don't think it's going to happen. Better start planing for the possibility of an economic recovery.
The DOW is at its highest level since January but the only economic news you'll find on right wing blogs is stuff like this (via Hot Air): “We are now in the early stages of a depression”
That's a pretty incredible (and paranoid) statement IMO - if by "counting on" you mean hoping. And I presume you do based on your last post referring to good news as bad news.
A belief that Obama's economic policies are destructive is quite different than a desire to see a descent into economic squalor. Do you understand the distinction?
We've had to cut back in many ways in my home for economic reasons. Are you suggesting that I (or others like me) like making those sacrifices because it gives me an opportunity to bash Obama? Are you?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:37:44am |
re: #1108 avanti
KT, I often agree with you, but you really need to drop the "everybody", even on the right, most don't want the country to fail just to make Obama look bad.
It's an homage to Proffessor Farnsworth...
Good News Everyone!
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:38:03am |
re: #954 MandyManners
Are we gonna' be treated to tales of alleged racial injustice at every press conference?
Until his healthcare bill is passed, yes. That and Cheney's latest sekrit tortcher skandul.
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opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:38:17am |
re: #1025 Kosh's Shadow
After one of them wakes up with a horse's ass in bed with him, they'll all fall in line.
Da Chicaga Way
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:38:24am |
re: #1124 Killgore Trout
Killgore, get your hopychange unicorn out of here. I mention that because your conclusions sound like they were reached under the influence of unicorn farts.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:38:32am |
re: #1138 Killgore Trout
You know I love that Space Pope avatar.
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:38:54am |
re: #1089 Nevergiveup
Well you people can all get your heads straight if you want: Patton is on the AMC channel.
Did he slap you?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:38:57am |
re: #1108 avanti
Also note how many people are upset or furiously deny good economic news.
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Beach Lover Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:39:03am |
re: #1118 redstateredneck
Oh No! You are a troublemaker :-)
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KenJen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:39:33am |
re: #1099 Kenneth
Obstructing police is a crime. The police officer was acting appropriately when he asked Gates for his ID. Gates refused to provide it, which is obstruction. Add to that, the man was angry, yelling and calling the cop a racist. That is very provocative behavior.
I'm sure Gates will clear all of this up on the Oprah show./
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:39:36am |
re: #1142 Sharmuta
You know I love that Space Pope avatar.
I should bring that one back someday soon.
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:39:53am |
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dwells38 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:39:54am |
re: #880 Kenneth
OK so he definitely knew and understood the situation that he was talking to the home owner and that the home owner was acting the complete ass and being uncooperative.
I don't see anything fun about it. This cop's life will be ruined by the media and that fraud of a POTUS.
I wouldn't find the MSM taking a wrecking ball to this guy as fun either. What would be fun is big O getting himself into another hornets nest of unforseen consequences. That's all I meant by fun.
This guy may have the elitists and O's media sycophants against him now but like Joe the Plumber he'll also make LOTS and LOTS of new friends on the right many of which will be blogging in his favor and offering to help him legally if it comes to that. It doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing although I get your point.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:40:00am |
re: #1117 Dark_Falcon
With the inflation Obama is inducing, further economic troubles are a certainty. You are in error, Killgore.
You're certainly articulating my deepest point of anxiety.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:40:10am |
re: #1139 Kenneth
Until his healthcare bill is passed, yes. That and Cheney's latest sekrit tortcher skandul.
I maintain the question was a plant.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:40:27am |
re: #1120 formercorpsman
Sorry about that.
Good morning iceweasel.
Do you know why did the officer ask him to step outside?
Hi there formercorpsman.
Because a neighbour had called 911 reporting a suspected breakin.
Folks can read the police report, read the statement released by Gates' lawyer (and all the other coverage over at The Root), and any of the many things written about this over the last several days. I'd recommend Adam Serwer at TAPPED.
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realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:40:29am |
re: #1018 yma o hyd
Hi yma! Gee, sure glad y'all have National Healthcare! I'm sure they'll have it all covered by oh, 2012 or so!
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opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:40:42am |
re: #1066 Lincolntf
Yup. It's how he makes his living. Every bit of outrage at 'Whitey" fattens his wallet.
There will be a law suit.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:40:54am |
re: #1144 Killgore Trout
Also note how many people are upset or furiously deny good economic news.
Every bit of good economic news is a relief to me. It doesn't address my underlying anxieties.
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:41:07am |
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:41:13am |
re: #1144 Killgore Trout
Also note how many people are upset or furiously deny good economic news.
Yas mean kinda like the democrats did for the 8 years Bush was President?
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doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:41:18am |
re: #1032 iceweasel
I posted them upthread. This is all a distraction from the real issues anyway.
But most of the right, and all of the media, will enjoy frothing over this rather than talking about health care. This is going to go on for at least a week.
Spoken like a true Obot.
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calcajun Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:41:29am |
re: #1085 srb1976
It supposedly goes deeper into the lungs than the typical Swine or regular flu--just like the Spanish flu of 1918 did. If it becomes a little more virulent, w could have a serious problem.
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yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:42:42am |
re: #1124 Killgore Trout
We're still ahead of seasonally adjusted estimates: Home Resales in U.S. Increased More Than Forecast
See - thats where the spin sets in:
'Median prices fell 15%' - that means people have been losing money, perhaps have been forced to sell.
Its not an indicator for an economy starting to thrive again.
And what about the number of unemployed?
Has PB0 already learned how to fudge those numbers, from his friends in the UK government?
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:43:00am |
re: #1158 doppelganglander
I think this is a distraction, too. Are you going to call me an 0bot? Come on.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:43:37am |
re: #1144 Killgore Trout
Also note how many people are upset or furiously deny good economic news.
Is it good news when a rapist stops to catch his breath?
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:43:43am |
re: #1128 Lincolntf
You have the attorney's description of events down pat. I hope you don't always believe everything a defense attorney says.
Sadly, Obama couldn't even familiarize himself with such basic info. before rendering his verdict.
My wife is a defense attorney and I've heard of times her clients tell her one thing and every other piece of evidence says something else.
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doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:43:56am |
re: #1052 Sharmuta
Sad- this comment only has a +2 at the moment. I think this is far more important than Gates. What's going on?
Why are you so intent on controlling the direction of the conversation? It's not as if we haven't discussed the health care proposals in great depth. It's an overnight open thread, after all.
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:44:01am |
re: #1130 Sharmuta
In that case, you are very perceptive. Obama had quite a lot to say in response to an off-topic question about which admitted he didn't have all the facts.
I mean, if I was trying to jigger into -- well, I guess this is my house now, so -- (laughter) -- it probably wouldn't happen.(Chuckling.) But let's say my old house in Chicago -- (laughter) -- here I'd get shot. (Laughter.) But so far, so good. They're -- they're -- they're reporting. The police are doing what they should. There's a call. They go investigate. What happens?
Here he manages to almost say the "N" word and then joked about getting shot. I think you are right, Obama was cleverly distracting attention and raising emoptional defensiveness.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:44:04am |
re: #1158 doppelganglander
Spoken like a true Obot.
Now I'm an Obot because I think it's ridiculous that the media is focussing on Obama's answer to a wholly unrelated question, instead of his speech on health care?
Huh. I guess there are a lot of Obots here then who didn't even vote for Obama and are going to be surprised to hear that they're now "Obots".
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Beach Lover Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:44:28am |
re: #1127 MandyManners
LOL! I know it is killing you, tho!
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realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:45:00am |
re: #1043 MandyManners
Hi Mandy! Don't worry about it - we covered the presser pretty much by the time Sharmuta showed up too!
How are things with you and your family? I hope as well or better than can be expected.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:45:15am |
re: #1119 SixDegrees
The very fact that this meeting was called is, as I understand it, highly unusual. Obama didn't want this man's thoughts on healthcare, he obviously wanted to "get his mind right" since he is a Dem and his report was a huge blow to ObamaCare. I don't believe anything was said that even hinted at coercion, but neither do I think it was an obvious ploy to intimidate. Do you honestly doubt this?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:45:20am |
re: #1159 calcajun
It supposedly goes deeper into the lungs than the typical Swine or regular flu--just like the Spanish flu of 1918 did. If it becomes a little more virulent, w could have a serious problem.
The good news is that by the time it does that, we'll have the vaccine ready.
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nyc redneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:45:22am |
re: #1099 Kenneth
Obstructing police is a crime. The police officer was acting appropriately when he asked Gates for his ID. Gates refused to provide it, which is obstruction. Add to that, the man was angry, yelling and calling the cop a racist. That is very provocative behavior.
gates should have been thankful that police officers were there trying to protect his life and property. instead he 'copped' a belligerent defensive attitude and created an atmosphere of hostility.
gates could have cleared up the misunderstanding immediately.
he didn't want to. he wanted some drama.
he got it. like anyone else in such a situation would.
gates should be ashamed of himself.
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KenJen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:45:29am |
re: #1162 Spare O'Lake
Is it good news when a rapist stops to catch his breath?
I guess one day of good news makes up for 6 months of bad news for some people.
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:45:30am |
There's always hope - even if it sometimes seems temporary:
Leading Blue Dog Democrat: Pelosi Does Not Have the Votes for Health Care Reform
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:45:31am |
re: #1129 Killgore Trout
Can you tell me what the current rate of inflation is now?
Inflation? There's no such thing as inflation.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:46:16am |
re: #1165 Kenneth
Well, he had one thing right - I can't imagine a calm reaction to an attempted break-in at the White House.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:46:35am |
re: #1131 Kosh's Shadow
You must get a lot of cars running into the house, then. Wouldn't it be better if it was on the side of the street?
///
Am I the only one who remembers the British Band "Madness"?
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:46:37am |
re: #1166 iceweasel
Now I'm an Obot because I think it's ridiculous that the media is focussing on Obama's answer to a wholly unrelated question, instead of his speech on health care?
Huh. I guess there are a lot of Obots here then who didn't even vote for Obama and are going to be surprised to hear that they're now "Obots".
It's the media that asked the damn question and all Obama said about health care was he really didn't know anything but sure things will change but what, I got no idea? Yeah it was real inspiring.
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doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:47:26am |
re: #1166 iceweasel
Now I'm an Obot because I think it's ridiculous that the media is focussing on Obama's answer to a wholly unrelated question, instead of his speech on health care?
Huh. I guess there are a lot of Obots here then who didn't even vote for Obama and are going to be surprised to hear that they're now "Obots".
I just think you're obtuse. You are ignoring some of the facts of the case that others have pointed out, such as the fact that according to the police report Gates started shouting at the officer BEFORE he presented his identification. Then you complain the conversation, in which you've been a vigorous participant, is a "distraction." If you want to talk about other aspects of the press conference, go right ahead. Some people want to talk about this instead.
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avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:47:29am |
re: #1141 Dark_Falcon
Killgore, get your hopychange unicorn out of here. I mention that because your conclusions sound like they were reached under the influence of unicorn farts.
I recall being full hope and change when the market was in the 6000's and some here said it would go down to 3500. Now that it's over 9000, it's look out for high inflation coming. There has to be a happy medium between my hope and change, and many on the rights doom and gloom.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:47:37am |
re: #1099 Kenneth
Obstructing police is a crime. The police officer was acting appropriately when he asked Gates for his ID. Gates refused to provide it, which is obstruction. Add to that, the man was angry, yelling and calling the cop a racist. That is very provocative behavior.
The way things are these days, Gates is lucky he didn't get tasered. He should have just stayed calm and handed over his ID. It would have been over in a minute or less. The person that called 911 must have been a passerby, since I would think the neighbors would know who lives there (at least by sight).
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:47:37am |
re: #1149 dwells38
I get you. I do hope & pray Obama get's his comeuppance.
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opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:48:10am |
re: #1157 Nevergiveup
Yas mean kinda like the democrats did for the 8 years Bush was President?
And they learned nothing from the Regan tax cuts. Dems cling to the absurd notion that more taxes stimulate the economy.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:48:12am |
re: #1176 Mad Al-Jaffee
Am I the only one who remembers the British Band "Madness"?
They Might be Giants, wasn't it, who did "Our House"?
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Kragarghazi Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:48:16am |
When a cop asks you for ID, and you know you're not doing anything wrong, you provide it. End of story. Anything else is just asking for trouble.
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Pianobuff Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:49:13am |
re: #1180 avanti
I recall being full hope and change when the market was in the 6000's and some here said it would go down to 3500. Now that it's over 9000, it's look out for high inflation coming. There has to be a happy medium between my hope and change, and many on the rights doom and gloom.
I think inflation concerns have been an issue all the way back to last October. Are you contending that this is a new issue?
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Kragarghazi Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:49:25am |
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:49:27am |
re: #1176 Mad Al-Jaffee
Am I the only one who remembers the British Band "Madness"?
I remember that song. Some D.J. on the air used the joke about being run over on the street before playing that song too.
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yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:49:38am |
re: #1153 realwest
Hi yma! Gee, sure glad y'all have National Healthcare! I'm sure they'll have it all covered by oh, 2012 or so!
Hiya, {rw}!
This is simply a government and MFM driven hysteria.
Anybody can claim to have swine flu - they don't test for it any longer.
Usually, with flu, on is told to stay at home, take lots of fluids, have some paracetamol or such, and thats it.
Its flu, ffs, not the Black Death!
When the older population gets ordinary flu, nobody makes a song and dance about it.
When the young adults get it - its the end of the world!
I despise all this - and flue jabs will be out by September, so what happened to the British spirit of 'Don't panic and b*gger on'?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:50:09am |
re: #1181 Ward Cleaver
The way things are these days, Gates is lucky he didn't get tasered. He should have just stayed calm and handed over his ID. It would have been over in a minute or less. The person that called 911 must have been a passerby, since I would think the neighbors would know who lives there (at least by sight).
I'm sure Karl Rove was behind the whole incident.
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formercorpsman Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:50:29am |
re: #1152 iceweasel
From what I read, he was asked to step outside because of Gates being so loud the officer could not communicate over his radio.
Asking him to step outside under that circumstance is certainly legitimate.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:50:30am |
Jesus cross-dressing Christ, it's former MI5 security service officer and 9/11 troof NWO freak David Shayler:
[Link: www.tytingcommunityproject.org.uk...]
Over the years, I have been in enormous conflict with all sorts of authority, beginning with my mother and taking in MI5 and the British judiciary on the way. That ‘up-and-at-them’ male energy has to be counter-balanced with a strong feminine energy, which I get from getting dolled up – and feeling sexy.
As the Christ, I’m the begotten of Jesus the Father and Gaia, the divine mother and goddess of love and sexuality. She does not incarnate into this world. I’m therefore the closest you will get to an incarnation of Gaia also known as the Magdalene.
This sort of thing is becoming a bit of a habit with these these NWO paranoia types. But that doesn't detract in any way from the validity of their points///
(more at Harry's Place - [Link: www.hurryupharry.org...] )
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:50:51am |
re: #1169 Spenser (with an S)
The very fact that this meeting was called is, as I understand it, highly unusual. Obama didn't want this man's thoughts on healthcare, he obviously wanted to "get his mind right" since he is a Dem and his report was a huge blow to ObamaCare. I don't believe anything was said that even hinted at coercion, but neither do I think it was an obvious ploy to intimidate. Do you honestly doubt this?
Elmendorf's own statement is the only thing factual, and in it he states that 0 wanted to meet with him to get up to speed on the information he presented to Congress. This isn't unreasonable; having been through that exercise, Elmendorf is now something of an expert in such matters. Nowhere does Elmendorf suggest that there was anything unusual, untoward or unethical about the meeting. Wrapping layers and layers of conspiracy and skullduggery around it is pure speculation - not reporting. Trying to present this sort of OpEd as "news" is dishonest - at best.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:50:57am |
re: #1180 avanti
I recall being full hope and change when the market was in the 6000's and some here said it would go down to 3500. Now that it's over 9000, it's look out for high inflation coming. There has to be a happy medium between my hope and change, and many on the rights doom and gloom.
Sure there is: Obama's statist schemes fail badly, while the economy continues to improve. Improvement is linked to him not tinkering.
| 1195 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:50:58am |
re: #1164 doppelganglander
Why are you so intent on controlling the direction of the conversation? It's not as if we haven't discussed the health care proposals in great depth. It's an overnight open thread, after all.
Because I worry fiscal conservatives are squandering an opportunity to promote our ideals when we seem to constantly want to shoot the wrong targets. We'd rather spend time on points that are frankly spit in the ocean. It's not a matter of agreeing or disagree with 0bama's comments, it's that we need to pick our battles more wisely. This is nothing. We have a current issue where we could step up and talk about balancing the budget and we're discussing this? I point it out because I care about fiscal conservatism.
| 1196 |
CommonCents Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:51:20am |
Somethings just need to be repeated
Tonight at dinner, a young Marine Lance Corporal sat in front of me at the crowded dining facility.
“Good evening, Sir,” he said.
I asked, “Are you living like animals out there?”
“Livin’ the dream, Sir!”
They are fantastic. -- Michael Yon 20 July 2009
| 1197 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:51:24am |
re: #1162 Spare O'Lake
Is it good news when a rapist stops to catch his breath?
Obama has not caught the rapist, but he may well have his tag number. The bad news is not over, but it's less bad.
| 1198 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:51:33am |
re: #1191 formercorpsman
From what I read, he was asked to step outside because of Gates being so loud the officer could not communicate over his radio.
Asking him to step outside under that circumstance is certainly legitimate.
I can only imagine the rash of shit he was giving the cop. Blowhard.
| 1199 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:51:38am |
re: #1176 Mad Al-Jaffee
Am I the only one who remembers the British Band "Madness"?
I remember the song, but I couldn't resist the joke.
| 1200 |
Kragarghazi Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:51:42am |
Obviously, Gates never saw this: How not to get your ass kicked by the police!
| 1201 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:52:16am |
| 1202 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:52:16am |
re: #1165 Kenneth
In that case, you are very perceptive. Obama had quite a lot to say in response to an off-topic question about which admitted he didn't have all the facts.
Here he manages to almost say the "N" word and then joked about getting shot. I think you are right, Obama was cleverly distracting attention and raising emoptional defensiveness.
Thank you, Kenneth.
| 1203 |
keithgabryelski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:52:24am |
re: #991 Kenneth
Muddying the water of the whole issue is the fact that crime rates for young black males are significantly higher than for young white males. People don't want to admit that, for fear of being called racist.
The issue isn't admitting a fact. The issue is what information you derive from those facts.
Do black man commit more crimes than white men or do they just get arrested more?
Is the issue black/white or rich/poor?
| 1204 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:52:25am |
re: #1189 yma o hyd
Hiya, {rw}!
This is simply a government and MFM driven hysteria.
Anybody can claim to have swine flu - they don't test for it any longer.Usually, with flu, on is told to stay at home, take lots of fluids, have some paracetamol or such, and thats it.
Its flu, ffs, not the Black Death!When the older population gets ordinary flu, nobody makes a song and dance about it.
When the young adults get it - its the end of the world!
I despise all this - and flue jabs will be out by September, so what happened to the British spirit of 'Don't panic and b*gger on'?
Those attitudes tend to disappear quickly under socialism.
Oh, and you're a racist for calling it "Black" Death.
/
| 1205 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:52:41am |
re: #1186 Pianobuff
I think inflation concerns have been an issue all the way back to last October. Are you contending that this is a new issue?
No, just that once the doom and gloom on the market does not pan out, it'll be inflation doom and gloom.
| 1206 |
KenJen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:52:45am |
re: #1173 subsailor68
There's always hope - even if it sometimes seems temporary:
Leading Blue Dog Democrat: Pelosi Does Not Have the Votes for Health Care Reform
I heard Jon Kyl saying the Dems. could pass it with 51 votes plus that of the VPOTUS. Forgot the term for it. If it comes to that it would wipe out 80 percent of the bill.
| 1207 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:52:47am |
| 1209 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:54:08am |
re: #1192 Jimmah
Jesus cross-dressing Christ, it's former MI5 security service officer and 9/11 troof NWO freak David Shayler:
[Link: www.tytingcommunityproject.org.uk...]
This sort of thing is becoming a bit of a habit with these these NWO paranoia types. But that doesn't detract in any way from the validity of their points///
(more at Harry's Place - [Link: www.hurryupharry.org...] )
Shades of David Icke?
Its always nice to get incontrovertible proof that someone is really totally round the bend, and probaly has been for a long time!
| 1210 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:55:06am |
| 1211 |
pink freud Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:55:10am |
Re 0bama and his juvenile rendering of judgment to a national audience:
The issue isn't whether the cop or Gates were right or wrong. The issue is that 0bama ostensibly is a role model to black youth nationwide and as such, should not be nationally sewing further seeds of racial discontent by characterizing an altercation between a white cop and a black citizen as being "the fault of the cop". Even if he privately felt that to be the case, he is pouring gasoline on the flames of division and perceived discrimination taht exists in the minds of young black men who ALREADY feel they have "The Man" unfairly targeting them. 0Bama - in a very adolescent and immature way -- by his remarking upon it in the manner he did, only exacerbated this.
He had an opportunity to give a message of support for social order, for respect to LEO ...and instead chose to portray a black man as a victim, LEO as racist and biased, and gave the clear message that it was OK TO CHALLENGE THEM.
He knew what he was doing. He knew exactly what he was doing. There was NO reason to even address this except for the reasons I've just stated. Check the Alinksy playbook if you are unsure.
| 1212 |
eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:55:19am |
re: #1122 HoosierHoops
What's the matter officer? Dunking Doughnuts closed?
/They love that one..
Or that "Bad Cop, No Donut" bumper sticker on the back of your car...
| 1213 |
nyc redneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:55:24am |
o just can't keep his mouth shut when the opportunity to be divisive presents itself. o should apologize to the police officer.
| 1214 |
Pianobuff Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:55:41am |
re: #1205 avanti
No, just that once the doom and gloom on the market does not pan out, it'll be inflation doom and gloom.
Your premise is flawed.
Concerns about inflation are already there and have been for some time since we bought an extra truckload of printing presses back in October. So there is no it "will" be inflation doom and gloom.
I can't blame you for trying, though.
| 1215 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:55:52am |
re: #1204 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Those attitudes tend to disappear quickly under socialism.
Oh, and you're a racist for calling it "Black" Death.
/
Heh.
I knew somehow I said something wrong - but hit the post button anyway!
:-)))
| 1216 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:56:29am |
What the economy could use is some fiscal responsibility on the part of Congress. We have a chance right now to get out in front, and promote this with proposals like the Contract with America once again. Would a second Contract put the gop back in power in Congress?
| 1217 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:56:33am |
re: #1206 KenJen
I heard Jon Kyl saying the Dems. could pass it with 51 votes plus that of the VPOTUS. Forgot the term for it. If it comes to that it would wipe out 80 percent of the bill.
I heard that term used the other day, by Hugh Hewitt. Can't remember it either. Supposedly 0bama is already talking about it. Fifty votes plus Biden.
| 1218 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:56:57am |
re: #1214 Pianobuff
Your premise is flawed.
Concerns about inflation are already there and have been for some time since we bought an extra truckload of printing presses back in October. So there is no it "will" be inflation doom and gloom.
I can't blame you for trying, though.
Fair enough, we'll look for inflation issues if they arise.
| 1219 |
scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:57:03am |
re: #1195 Sharmuta
Because I worry fiscal conservatives are squandering an opportunity to promote our ideals when we seem to constantly want to shoot the wrong targets. We'd rather spend time on points that are frankly spit in the ocean. It's not a matter of agreeing or disagree with 0bama's comments, it's that we need to pick our battles more wisely. This is nothing. We have a current issue where we could step up and talk about balancing the budget and we're discussing this? I point it out because I care about fiscal conservatism.
Hon, there are several conversations going on in this thread. I don't mind at all those taking the time to defend a police officer for doing his duty, knowing full well that his reputation will most likely be ruined over this. Obama should not have said a word about it.
| 1220 |
apachegunner Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:57:31am |
re: #1027 Kosh's Shadow
So you went from the days of wooden computers to the more modern age (the 360).
1400 was a serial machine, wasn't it? It was a bit before my time.
yes, exactly. the 360 was the first OS
| 1221 |
nyc redneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:57:49am |
re: #1211 pink freud
Re 0bama and his juvenile rendering of judgment to a national audience:
The issue isn't whether the cop or Gates were right or wrong. The issue is that 0bama ostensibly is a role model to black youth nationwide and as such, should not be nationally sewing further seeds of racial discontent by characterizing an altercation between a white cop and a black citizen as being "the fault of the cop". Even if he privately felt that to be the case, he is pouring gasoline on the flames of division and perceived discrimination taht exists in the minds of young black men who ALREADY feel they have "The Man" unfairly targeting them. 0Bama - in a very adolescent and immature way -- by his remarking upon it in the manner he did, only exacerbated this.
He had an opportunity to give a message of support for social order, for respect to LEO ...and instead chose to portray a black man as a victim, LEO as racist and biased, and gave the clear message that it was OK TO CHALLENGE THEM.
He knew what he was doing. He knew exactly what he was doing. There was NO reason to even address this except for the reasons I've just stated. Check the Alinksy playbook if you are unsure.
excellent statement, very insightful.
| 1222 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:58:14am |
re: #1219 scottishbuzzsaw
Hon, there are several conversations going on in this thread. I don't mind at all those taking the time to defend a police officer for doing his duty, knowing full well that his reputation will most likely be ruined over this. Obama should not have said a word about it.
One would have thought presidents would have learned from Nixon proclaiming Manson guilty while the trial was going on.
| 1223 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:58:32am |
| 1224 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:58:46am |
re: #1195 Sharmuta
Because I worry fiscal conservatives are squandering an opportunity to promote our ideals when we seem to constantly want to shoot the wrong targets. We'd rather spend time on points that are frankly spit in the ocean. It's not a matter of agreeing or disagree with 0bama's comments, it's that we need to pick our battles more wisely. This is nothing. We have a current issue where we could step up and talk about balancing the budget and we're discussing this? I point it out because I care about fiscal conservatism.
This isn't a battle. It's a conversation on a blog. AFAIK, no Republican leaders are taking this comment and making another Nirth Certificate out of it.
By the way, is anyone besides you talking about balancing the budget? While I think that's a worthy goal, I think the immediate issues of stopping Obamacare and Cap'nTax are of more pressing interest. Personally, I'd be happy to get the deficit under a trillion at this point.
| 1225 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:58:47am |
Is there a charge of being a bit of an asshole in the vicinity of a policeman?re: #1209 yma o hyd
Shades of David Icke?
Its always nice to get incontrovertible proof that someone is really totally round the bend, and probaly has been for a long time!
Also shades of Muad Dib, author of 7/7 Ripple Effect, another self proclaimed Jesus
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
| 1226 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:58:47am |
re: #1122 HoosierHoops
What's the matter officer? Dunking Doughnuts closed?
/They love that one..
"Do you know how fast you were going?"
"No. You're the one with the radar gun. Are you too retarded to read the number on the display?"
| 1227 |
Charpete67 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:58:51am |
re: #1222 Dianna
One would have thought presidents would have learned from Nixon proclaiming Manson guilty while the trial was going on.
that's exactly what I thought of when I heard him say that.
| 1228 |
wahabicorridor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:58:57am |
re: #1209 yma o hyd
hey ymo o hyd
I think we should go a bit easy on the French - they're busy with self-immolation
The French Foreign Legion - doing the jobs the 'youts' don't wanna
| 1229 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:59:06am |
re: #1222 Dianna
One would have thought presidents would have learned from Nixon proclaiming Manson guilty while the trial was going on.
Well I gotta agree with that one, but I get your point
| 1230 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:59:10am |
Some advice from informed Lizards would be greatly appreciated!!
I've come across this book in the shops:
The Coldest Winter: America and the Korean War (Hardcover)
by David Halberstam
Now we know who Halberstam is - so is this book any good?
Is it worth shelling out for?
Waht do you think?
| 1231 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:59:27am |
re: #1220 apachegunner
yes, exactly. the 360 was the first OS
OS 360. JCL
The DD statement.
Now I'm going to have nightmares.
///
| 1232 |
Bloodnok Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:01:02am |
re: #1216 Sharmuta
What the economy could use is some fiscal responsibility on the part of Congress. We have a chance right now to get out in front, and promote this with proposals like the Contract with America once again. Would a second Contract put the gop back in power in Congress?
IMO, a thousand times, "yes". It is maddening that something similar has not already been put forward by the GOP.
| 1233 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:01:10am |
re: #1215 yma o hyd
Hey, being from Wales, are you a Torchwood fan?
| 1234 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:01:17am |
re: #1211 pink freud
Re 0bama and his juvenile rendering of judgment to a national audience:
The issue isn't whether the cop or Gates were right or wrong. The issue is that 0bama ostensibly is a role model to black youth nationwide and as such, should not be nationally sewing further seeds of racial discontent by characterizing an altercation between a white cop and a black citizen as being "the fault of the cop". Even if he privately felt that to be the case, he is pouring gasoline on the flames of division and perceived discrimination taht exists in the minds of young black men who ALREADY feel they have "The Man" unfairly targeting them. 0Bama - in a very adolescent and immature way -- by his remarking upon it in the manner he did, only exacerbated this.
He had an opportunity to give a message of support for social order, for respect to LEO ...and instead chose to portray a black man as a victim, LEO as racist and biased, and gave the clear message that it was OK TO CHALLENGE THEM.
He knew what he was doing. He knew exactly what he was doing. There was NO reason to even address this except for the reasons I've just stated. Check the Alinksy playbook if you are unsure.
Well said. I keep pushing the + icon but it only lets me give you one upding. Damn.
:)
| 1235 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:01:20am |
re: #1217 Ward Cleaver
I heard that term used the other day, by Hugh Hewitt. Can't remember it either. Supposedly 0bama is already talking about it. Fifty votes plus Biden.
I just means they vote to cut off debate and vote, both sides consider it a nuclear option and may even be against protocol on this bill.
"Reconciliation is a legislative process of the United States Senate intended to allow a contentious budget bill to be considered without being subject to filibuster. Reconciliation also applies in the United States House of Representatives, but since the House regularly passes rules that constrain debate and amendment, the reconciliation process represented less of a change in that body."
| 1236 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:01:24am |
The United States is still willing to 'reach out' to Iran but political turmoil there means Tehran is not now in a position to respond, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told the BBC on Thursday.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Great, Marvelous, fantastic. Now OUR Secretary of State is making excuses for Iran!
| 1237 |
johnnyreb Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:01:48am |
re: #1026 MandyManners
And, willfully ignorant.
I maintain that question was a plant.
I don't think he and the MSM realize how stupid that statement from him makes him look. He admitted he was jumping to conclusions on national TV. What a friggin dufus. And this is how he runs his administration, shove things out at a rapid pace and see what sticks and what he can get away with. I predict a one term prez and he will be a lame duck in 2010 if he keeps being this stupid. the independents are getting pissed.
| 1238 |
wahabicorridor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:01:53am |
re: #1230 yma o hyd
Some advice from informed Lizards would be greatly appreciated!!
I've come across this book in the shops:
The Coldest Winter: America and the Korean War (Hardcover)
by David HalberstamNow we know who Halberstam is - so is this book any good?
Is it worth shelling out for?
Waht do you think?
EXCELLENT BOOK
| 1239 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:02:53am |
(just in )The house is talking about working through the recess to pass the health bill.
| 1240 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:02:55am |
re: #1225 Jimmah
Is there a charge of being a bit of an asshole in the vicinity of a policeman?
Also shades of Muad Dib, author of 7/7 Ripple Effect, another self proclaimed Jesus
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Aarrgghh!
Personally, I blame Algore, who invented the internet ...
While the nutcases would still be with us, at least they would not get so much publicity.
| 1241 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:03:00am |
re: #1219 scottishbuzzsaw
And I think there is a lack of discernment in choosing battles on the part of some. I already said to carry on and obviously people have decided to do so. But for me, to not point out when I think I see an odd trend, would not be moral. I think it hurts the cause. People are free to consider my opinion or not and carry on in whatever way they will.
| 1242 |
Kragarghazi Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:03:05am |
re: #1236 Nevergiveup
The United States is still willing to 'reach out' to Iran but political turmoil there means Tehran is not now in a position to respond, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told the BBC on Thursday.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]Great, Marvelous, fantastic. Now OUR Secretary of State is making excuses for Iran!
Well, its either that or they just want us to fuck off, but how can that be since we elected the One?
| 1243 |
pink freud Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:03:26am |
re: #1234 LGoPs
Well said. I keep pushing the + icon but it only lets me give you one upding. Damn.
:)
Thanks LGoPs ...and thanks to all who dinged my blueherron comment during the free-for-all last night. that thread was a lot of fun ...you guys are all wonderful!
| 1244 |
subsailor68 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:03:27am |
Old story (paraphrased):
A guy had taken a bunch of 'ludes and was driving across the Golden Gate bridge when he saw the flashing lights in his rear view mirror.
He pulled over in a panic, because he still had some in a baggie. He figured he'd better be honest and fess up, to avoid making the officer suspicious.
The officer walked up and asked, "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?"
The guy said, "To be honest, I wasn't paying attention. If I had to guess, I'd say between 60 and 70."
The officer looked a him for a minute, then said, "Sir, you were doing four miles an hour. Get out of the car."
| 1245 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:03:58am |
re: #1239 avanti
(just in )The house is talking about working through the recess to pass the health bill.
CBO--30% of the uninsured offered insurance decline it
| 1246 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:04:04am |
More economic news...
Metro Atlanta unemployment reaches 10.7%
Dayton jobless rate hits 13.7 percent
Cincinnati-area unemployment tops 10 percent
Augusta's unemployment rate hits double digits
54 Miss. counties reporting double-digit unemployment
But hey, the stock market is up today so it must not be so bad.
| 1247 |
opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:04:23am |
re: #1219 scottishbuzzsaw
Hon, there are several conversations going on in this thread. I don't mind at all those taking the time to defend a police officer for doing his duty, knowing full well that his reputation will most likely be ruined over this. Obama should not have said a word about it.
Since the facts aren't settled he should not have commented.
Clearly the police had a duty to respond to the phone call & ascertain the identity of professor Gates & if indeed it is his house.
If he showed them proper ID , that should be the end of it. If however his ID only identified him as a professor with no address & he got belligerent , that is a different story.
The point is that Obama did not have the facts but still labeled the cops stupid.
| 1248 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:04:49am |
You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it’s going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it’s always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt. — Robert M. Pirsig
IMHO, the first sentence is not necessarily true.
Fanaticism arises in response to opposition, but the fanatic can be utterly convinced of the rightness of his cause. What he can't tolerate is that OTHERS are opposed to it.
Yes, fanaticism arises because of the existence of doubt, but the doubt does not necessarily lie within the mind of the fanatic.
/though, yes, it certainly can ... but that's another psychological aspect
| 1249 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:04:58am |
re: #1246 NJDhockeyfan
More economic news...
Metro Atlanta unemployment reaches 10.7%
Dayton jobless rate hits 13.7 percent
Cincinnati-area unemployment tops 10 percent
Augusta's unemployment rate hits double digits
54 Miss. counties reporting double-digit unemployment
But hey, the stock market is up today so it must not be so bad.
Statistics can be used to prove anything. 43% of all people know that.
/Homer Simpson
| 1250 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:05:09am |
re: #1195 Sharmuta
Because I worry fiscal conservatives are squandering an opportunity to promote our ideals when we seem to constantly want to shoot the wrong targets. We'd rather spend time on points that are frankly spit in the ocean. It's not a matter of agreeing or disagree with 0bama's comments, it's that we need to pick our battles more wisely. This is nothing. We have a current issue where we could step up and talk about balancing the budget and we're discussing this? I point it out because I care about fiscal conservatism.
The incident itself might be a distraction, but the deeper issue here is Obama's character. He makes claims that he wants to help "the little guy", but without having all the facts, he steps up and takes the side of an elitist pompous ass, rather than the little guy who was doing his job responding to a call from a neighbor about a possible break-in at the house.
Could the cop have walked away? Possibly.
But there is no doubt in my mind that Gates' behaved reprehensibly, and not at all in line with how most normal people would have acted (with gratitude for the neighborhood watch and the cops responding quickly), and instead, acted like some sort of spoiled special privileged idiot. And that's who Obama took up for, and as Kenneth pointed out, went even further:
Obama had quite a lot to say in response to an off-topic question about which admitted he didn't have all the facts.
I mean, if I was trying to jigger into -- well, I guess this is my house now, so -- (laughter) -- it probably wouldn't happen.
(Chuckling.) But let's say my old house in Chicago -- (laughter) -- here I'd get shot. (Laughter.) But so far, so good. They're -- they're -- they're reporting. The police are doing what they should. There's a call. They go investigate. What happens?Here he manages to almost say the "N" word and then joked about getting shot. I think you are right, Obama was cleverly distracting attention and raising emoptional defensiveness.
| 1251 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:05:25am |
re: #1228 wahabicorridor
hey ymo o hyd
I think we should go a bit easy on the French - they're busy with self-immolation
The French Foreign Legion - doing the jobs the 'youts' don't wanna
You're right - I forgive them!
(Well, the French Foreign Legion, that is!)
| 1252 |
justabill Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:05:35am |
re: #738 Spenser (with an S)
Morning, all. I hope no one else here played the Obama Drinking Game last night. Any time he 1) wagged his finger and scolded us, 2) said "Make no mistake about it" or 3) said "the status quo will not stand!" you have to drink. Ouch.
Need a shot of Everclear for everytime he says "Let me be clear,"
| 1253 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:06:07am |
re: #1224 doppelganglander
This isn't a battle. It's a conversation on a blog. AFAIK, no Republican leaders are taking this comment and making another Nirth Certificate out of it.
By the way, is anyone besides you talking about balancing the budget? While I think that's a worthy goal, I think the immediate issues of stopping Obamacare and Cap'nTax are of more pressing interest. Personally, I'd be happy to get the deficit under a trillion at this point.
You don't have a birdie I could watch instead of answering you, do you?
| 1254 |
keithgabryelski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:07:15am |
re: #1211 pink freud
He had an opportunity to give a message of support for social order, for respect to LEO
Obama was wrong when he said "the cambridge police acted stupidly". Not because the statement was true or false, but because he lowered the office of the president by jumping into the fray.
He made a clear statement before hand that Gates was his friend and he may be a little bias, but that doesn't excuse the statement.
Cambridge police, however, have had problems with profiling in the past, in the recent past, with people I know well. Gates is probably aware of some of these issue and is probably sensitive to the problems.
...and instead chose to portray a black man as a victim, LEO as racist and biased, and gave the clear message that it was OK TO CHALLENGE THEM.
Two things:
1) i think you are assuming a motivation you have little evidence to support.
That seems to be a basic problem on all sides of this issue.
2) IT IS ok to challenge police officers when you feel your rights are being violated.
| 1255 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:07:17am |
re: #1233 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Hey, being from Wales, are you a Torchwood fan?
Nope - but its nice to have images of our beautiful city and our beautiful countryside beamed into millions of homes across the world!
| 1257 |
Bloodnok Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:08:04am |
re: #1224 doppelganglander
This isn't a battle. It's a conversation on a blog. AFAIK, no Republican leaders are taking this comment and making another Nirth Certificate out of it.
By the way, is anyone besides you talking about balancing the budget? While I think that's a worthy goal, I think the immediate issues of stopping Obamacare and Cap'nTax are of more pressing interest. Personally, I'd be happy to get the deficit under a trillion at this point.
Yeah, let's worry about 2010 next year.
/sarc
Some (like me) believe the only way to stop these things is to win back control of Congress (or at least improve our share). Unfortunately we are stuck with the balance of power that exists at the moment. It is the mess that the Republicans have created for themselves. Not offering alternatives or proving themselves to be the fiscally responsible bunch that they claim to be is hurting them now and will hurt them next year. This is why balancing the budget should be a continuous subject for the GOP.
| 1258 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:08:05am |
re: #1250 reine.de.tout
With love and respect to you, Hon- I don't give a damn about this incident.
| 1259 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:08:18am |
Hey iceweasel:) - re your question from yesterday about the Indian food. As far as I know, curry as a food 'genre' was invented in india, as you stated, as a way of making Indian food acceptable to the western palate. But as for the particular type of curry known as tikka masala, I think Mohammed Sarwars's claims on behalf of the Shish Mahal might be correct, although i have no way of verifying. If you want to taste the best curries in the UK though, give Glasgow a miss and go to London. The curries there are in a different league.
| 1260 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:08:23am |
re: #1251 yma o hyd
You're right - I forgive them!
(Well, the French Foreign Legion, that is!)
Just proves the First Law of Warfare: The French fight best when they're not French. See corollary: The French fight best when led by someone not French (Napoleon).
| 1261 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:08:45am |
re: #1238 wahabicorridor
EXCELLENT BOOK
Thanks!
I will get it then - not knowing that much about the Korean War!
| 1262 |
eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:08:54am |
re: #1249 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Statistics can be used to prove anything. 43% of all people know that.
/Homer Simpson
99% of statistics are made up.
| 1263 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:09:13am |
re: #1239 avanti
(just in )The house is talking about working through the recess to pass the health bill.
Interesting that just about the same time last year when IIRC gasoline was passing $4 a gallon, the Pelosi dismissed Congress rather than take any action to help working Americans.
Bitch.
| 1264 |
subsailor68 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:09:14am |
re: #1247 opnion
If however his ID only identified him as a professor with no address & he got belligerent , that is a different story.
For some reason, that made me think of Sean Connery in The Untouchables.
"Sir, do you have any ID?"
"Yes. Here's my ID card that shows I'm a professor at Harvard.'
"Okay, no problem."
"Hey, wait. It doesn't have my address or any other info on it. You're just going to take my word that I'm a Harvard professor."
"Who would claim to be that who was not?"
| 1265 |
avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:09:18am |
re: #1246 NJDhockeyfan
More economic news...
Metro Atlanta unemployment reaches 10.7%
Dayton jobless rate hits 13.7 percent
Cincinnati-area unemployment tops 10 percent
Augusta's unemployment rate hits double digits
54 Miss. counties reporting double-digit unemployment
But hey, the stock market is up today so it must not be so bad.
Again, jobs trail the economies recovery by 6 months, and full recovery may not happen until 2010-2011. The numbers are coming down every month, but it's not a instant process. If you run a business, you wait a few months before risking higher payroll, not go out and hire at early signs of recovery.
| 1266 |
apachegunner Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:09:21am |
re: #1231 Kosh's Shadow
OS 360. JCL
The DD statement.
Now I'm going to have nightmares.
///
yes, i got a kick when you were talking about the deck of cards. oh how i remember and could i ever juggle and sort, coallate (i misspelled that didn't I), etc. my decks were normally two long drawers full.
| 1267 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:09:31am |
re: #1144 Killgore Trout
Huh. Unemployment rose AGAIN. We are now over 9% unemployed and God knows how many are UNDER employed but we can't deal with "good" economic news?
You can't deal with reality.
| 1268 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:09:45am |
The Cambridge cop prominent Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. claims is a racist gave a dying Reggie Lewis mouth-to-mouth resuscitation in a desperate bid to save the Celtics [team stats] superstar’s life 16 years ago Monday.“I wasn’t working on Reggie Lewis the basketball star. I wasn’t working on a black man. I was working on another human being,” Sgt. James Crowley, in an exclusive interview with the Herald, said of the forward’s fatal heart attack July 27, 1993, at age 27 during an off-season practice at Brandeis University, where Crowley was a campus police officer.
He killed a black man! Could there be a more stark example of racism? I bet if Lewis had been white, he would have really tried to save him.
| 1269 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:09:58am |
re: #1249 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Statistics can be used to prove anything. 43% of all people know that.
/Homer Simpson
I went back to college in my 30s and I had a sociology class that involved a group project. I said, "You know, 73% of all statistics are made up on the spot." One student, who must have been all of 19, actually believed me.
| 1270 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:10:06am |
Well, I gotta go again. Later, folks.
| 1271 |
johnnyreb Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:10:15am |
re: #1254 keithgabryelski
Obama has a history of using the office of president to butt his nose in where it does not belong. Look at his personal attack on Rush. Has there even been a sitting president that used his office as president to attack a private citizen before Obama? None that I recall, but I do have senior moments from time to time.
| 1272 |
Honorary Yooper Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:10:37am |
re: #1246 NJDhockeyfan
Our unemployment rate in Illinois (statewide) isn't much better at 10.3%, the highest since November 1983. We had a major economic recession in 1982-83 here.
| 1273 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:10:46am |
re: #1258 Sharmuta
With love and respect to you, Hon- I don't give a damn about this incident.
LOL!
And that's just fine.
Some do, though.
| 1274 |
pink freud Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:10:48am |
re: #1254 keithgabryelski
Two things:
1) i think you are assuming a motivation you have little evidence to support.
That seems to be a basic problem on all sides of this issue.2) IT IS ok to challenge police officers when you feel your rights are being violated.
1) Are you saying that 0bama did NOT portray a black man as a victim and LEO as racist and biased?
2) A man of Gates' education (note I did not say "intellect") should have known NOT to challenge them on the spot but should have complied and pursued any grievances after the fact in a proper legal manner.
| 1275 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:11:28am |
re: #1246 NJDhockeyfan
More economic news...
Metro Atlanta unemployment reaches 10.7%
Dayton jobless rate hits 13.7 percent
Cincinnati-area unemployment tops 10 percent
Augusta's unemployment rate hits double digits
54 Miss. counties reporting double-digit unemployment
But hey, the stock market is up today so it must not be so bad.
These are the numbers which count - and lets not forget that these unemployed have families.
And lets keep in mind also that this will have a detrimental effect on the local economies everywhere.
| 1276 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:11:45am |
re: #1250 reine.de.tout
My upding button must be broken. I keep being limited to only giving one.
Sheesh.
:)
| 1277 |
calcajun Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:11:56am |
re: #1170 Dark_Falcon
The good news is that by the time it does that, we'll have the vaccine ready.
Bad news-- it will be part of the BHO Rx Plan.
| 1278 |
wahabicorridor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:12:35am |
re: #1261 yma o hyd
Thanks!
I will get it then - not knowing that much about the Korean War!
Get ready to be completely disabused of any illusions you may have had about Gen. MacAurthor.
| 1279 |
calcajun Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:13:03am |
re: #1267 realwest
Could be far worse -- the 20+% levels of the early 30's. We're not there---yet.
| 1280 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:13:39am |
re: #1265 avanti
Again, jobs trail the economies recovery by 6 months, and full recovery may not happen until 2010-2011. The numbers are coming down every month, but it's not a instant process. If you run a business, you wait a few months before risking higher payroll, not go out and hire at early signs of recovery.
I'm sure those sitting at home wondering how they are going to pay the bills are comforted to know they will see the unemployment rate reverse in 6 months.
| 1282 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:13:52am |
re: #1264 subsailor68
If however his ID only identified him as a professor with no address & he got belligerent , that is a different story.
For some reason, that made me think of Sean Connery in The Untouchables.
"Sir, do you have any ID?"
"Yes. Here's my ID card that shows I'm a professor at Harvard.'
"Okay, no problem."
"Hey, wait. It doesn't have my address or any other info on it. You're just going to take my word that I'm a Harvard professor.""Who would claim to be that who was not?"
That reminds me of my favorite blond joke:
A blond police woman pulls over a blond driver & asks to see her ID. The driver says, "What's that?" The officer says, "It's a little square thingie that you keep in your purse & it has your face on it." The driver says, "Oh, I have one of those" & hands the officer a compact mirror. The officer takes a look at it & says, "I didn't know you were a cop too - I wouldn't have pulled you over!"
| 1283 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:14:21am |
re: #1257 Bloodnok
Yeah, let's worry about 2010 next year.
/sarc
Some (like me) believe the only way to stop these things is to win back control of Congress (or at least improve our share). Unfortunately we are stuck with the balance of power that exists at the moment. It is the mess that the Republicans have created for themselves. Not offering alternatives or proving themselves to be the fiscally responsible bunch that they claim to be is hurting them now and will hurt them next year. This is why balancing the budget should be a continuous subject for the GOP.
We need those proposals now to counter-balance 0bama's proposals. Give the public a chance to decide between the two, and put pressure on their elected officials as to which they prefer. Popular public support is the only weapon we have as a super-minority. We need to be planting seeds now- out promoting concepts like: cost of government spending is draining the economy. There is no leadership in place for this mess. I'm concerned we won't gain seats in 2010.
| 1284 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:14:36am |
re: #1268 NJDhockeyfan
IIRC, Gates heads an organization named for W.E.B. Du Bois. Regarding how Du Bois' writings are used to today (i.e., not the man himself), that should tell us something.
/oh HELL yes, it should!
| 1285 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:15:10am |
re: #1257 Bloodnok
Yeah, let's worry about 2010 next year.
/sarc
Some (like me) believe the only way to stop these things is to win back control of Congress (or at least improve our share). Unfortunately we are stuck with the balance of power that exists at the moment. It is the mess that the Republicans have created for themselves. Not offering alternatives or proving themselves to be the fiscally responsible bunch that they claim to be is hurting them now and will hurt them next year. This is why balancing the budget should be a continuous subject for the GOP.
Of course we should be trying to win back Congress, and I agree that fiscal conservatism is the way to do it. However, as you note, Republicans do not have any credibility on that issue right now. I think most people see balancing the budget as a very abstract problem that would be nearly impossible during the current downturn. Focusing on specific examples of budget-busters that also harm the economy and have serious repercussions in people's everyday lives, like health care and cap and trade, seems much more concrete and manageable. Just my opinion; I think everyone has their own sense of priorities.
| 1286 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:15:38am |
re: #1164 doppelganglanderHi there doppelganglander - hey take it easy on Shar - she got into this thread relatively late and probably didn't even try to read or even scan the prior threads - not many do, ya know?
I mean I wouldn't even try to scan some 900+ posts before I jumped in!
| 1287 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:15:43am |
re: #1259 Jimmah
Hey iceweasel:) - re your question from yesterday about the Indian food. As far as I know, curry as a food 'genre' was invented in india, as you stated, as a way of making Indian food acceptable to the western palate. But as for the particular type of curry known as tikka masala, I think Mohammed Sarwars's claims on behalf of the Shish Mahal might be correct, although i have no way of verifying. If you want to taste the best curries in the UK though, give Glasgow a miss and go to London. The curries there are in a different league.
Yes, There's a great Indian restaurant right next to the Gloucester rd tube exit in South Kennsington. It's pretty famous but I forget the name.
| 1288 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:16:03am |
re: #1284 pre-Boomer Marine brat
IIRC, Gates heads an organization named for W.E.B. Du Bois. Regarding how Du Bois' writings are used to today (i.e., not the man himself), that should tell us something.
/oh HELL yes, it should!
PIMF -- "are used today"
| 1289 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:16:39am |
re: #1278 wahabicorridor
Get ready to be completely disabused of any illusions you may have had about Gen. MacAurthor.
To my shame I have to confess that I don't have any illusions about Macarthur, not knowing that much about him ...
Was on the other side of the world, wasn't it, where he fought ...!
| 1290 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:16:59am |
Bin Laden Son reported killed in Pakistan
U.S. officials believe Saad bin Laden — a son of Osama bin Laden — has been killed by an American missile in Pakistan.
Saad bin Laden reportedly spent years under house arrest in Iran before traveling last year to Pakistan, according to former National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell.
It's believed he was killed by Hellfire missiles fired from a U.S. Predator drone sometime this year.
A senior U.S. counterterrorism official tells NPR that without a body to conduct DNA tests on, it's hard to be completely sure. But he characterized U.S. spy agencies as being "80 to 85 percent" certain that Saad bin Laden is dead.
I just love a happy good-news human interest story!
The implications from this are very interesting: if the Predators are getting people like Saad bin Laden, and other senior AQ thugs, then that means the small circle of people Osama and Ayman trust is getting even smaller. Sooner or later a Predator is going to hit them. Oh happy day!
| 1291 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:17:17am |
re: #1279 calcajun
Could be far worse -- the 20+% levels of the early 30's. We're not there---yet.
Yes, we'll probably see unemployment rise for the next six months or so. I don't think there's much doubt about that.
| 1292 |
johnnyreb Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:17:56am |
re: #1265 avanti
Again, jobs trail the economies recovery by 6 months, and full recovery may not happen until 2010-2011. The numbers are coming down every month, but it's not a instant process. If you run a business, you wait a few months before risking higher payroll, not go out and hire at early signs of recovery.
That is not a completely true statement. Unemployment numbers are not coming down every day. People are falling off the end of the numbers because their benefits are running out. The true number is about 15-20% nationwide depending on which numbers are actually used.
[Link: blogs.moneycentral.msn.com...]
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
People need to quite just parroting the Fed numbers because they have not been accurate since Carter was in office.
| 1293 |
Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:17:59am |
re: #1289 yma o hyd
To my shame I have to confess that I don't have any illusions about Macarthur, not knowing that much about him ...
Was on the other side of the world, wasn't it, where he fought ...!
Good morning my friend..Hope today finds you well...
| 1294 |
winnd54 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:18:00am |
How about tort reform and "loser pay". That would put a halt to lots of useless testing that doctors do just to cover their asses. We could do something about these class action suits against the drug companies too. These do nothing but enrich trial lawyers. The plaintiffs end up getting 6.97 after taxes.
| 1295 |
badger1970 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:18:06am |
re: #1233 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
No spoilers, I haven't seen the miniseries yet.
| 1296 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:18:42am |
re: #1281 taxfreekiller
for the atheist within:
Moses, Jesus , and a 'ol long haired wild eyed geezer go for Sat. morning golf round.
Moses tees off first, the ball goes right into the water hazard.
no problemo', Moses walks over holds up his driver demands the water part, he hits his ball to within 1 foot of the pin of the first hole.Next, shaking his head but with a knowing smile, Jesus tees off,
yet the ball some how veers way "left" , hits a tree, over runs the green, but lands on a area higher than the green and the ball rolls back down to within 6 inches of the hole.Next, the old long haired wild eyed geezer tees off, the ball not surprisingly head for the very center of the ponds deepest area,,
deep enough for a big old bass to be lurking there, hungry the bass lunges out of the water grabs the ball,,,suddenly a bald eagle swoops down just ahead of a bolt of lighting grabs the bass and ball in mid air, the eagle flys direct over the green , his beak pinches the bass just right, the bass spits the ball out , it lands about 1/2 inch from the hole, just as a worm is coming out of the ground there which causes the ball to roll in for a hole in one.Moses shakes his head, looks at Jesus, "Why you ask your dad to play with us is beyond me."
Excellent, tfk!
Just excellent!
:-)))
| 1297 |
keithgabryelski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:18:55am |
re: #1271 johnnyreb
Obama has a history of using the office of president to butt his nose in where it does not belong. Look at his personal attack on Rush. Has there even been a sitting president that used his office as president to attack a private citizen before Obama? None that I recall, but I do have senior moments from time to time.
I'd have to look it up. It's an interesting question (has a president attacked an individual). I'm not sure.
Rush is a pretty disingenuous monger of fear -- I'm not sure the best outcome didn't occur because he's been pointed out as such.
| 1298 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:19:58am |
OT: Why on earth have Hawaiian property taxes more than doubled in one year?
| 1299 |
Gretchen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:20:04am |
How long will it take for the Dems to smear the character of Gate's arresting officer to make him look like the Grand Dragon of the KKK?
Why doesn't Obama have the sense not to comment on stuff like this, he is not presidential.
| 1300 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:20:52am |
re: #1277 calcajun
Bad news-- it will be part of the BHO Rx Plan.
Currently Walgreens has an Rx discount plan where you pay a $20 fee for the year and all generic scripts cost only $4/month or $12 for a 90 day supply.
That's pretty damn cheap IMHO. And it will disappear when BHO gets his plan in place.
| 1301 |
Kragarghazi Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:20:53am |
re: #1287 Killgore Trout
Yes, There's a great Indian restaurant right next to the Gloucester rd tube exit in South Kennsington. It's pretty famous but I forget the name.
The Gunga Diner?
| 1302 |
pink freud Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:21:28am |
re: #1297 keithgabryelski
I'd have to look it up. It's an interesting question (has a president attacked an individual). I'm not sure.
Rush is a pretty disingenuous monger of fear -- I'm not sure the best outcome didn't occur because he's been pointed out as such.
When it comes to mongering fear, Rush has nothing on what's occupying the White House.
| 1303 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:22:10am |
re: #1293 HoosierHoops
Good morning my friend..Hope today finds you well...
Hiya, {HH}!
Yep - we're well and happy, having been blessed with actual sunshine, for once!
Tomorrow, Madame is for the clip: fur and claws ...
She doesn't know that yet - but I've laid on some suasages to console her. She so dislikes having any grooming done ...
How is that Winston?
| 1304 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:22:55am |
re: #1301 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
The Gunga Diner?
LOL!
... You're a better man than I.
... (I missed that one.)
| 1305 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:23:29am |
re: #1294 winnd54
How about tort reform and "loser pay". That would put a halt to lots of useless testing that doctors do just to cover their asses. We could do something about these class action suits against the drug companies too. These do nothing but enrich trial lawyers. The plaintiffs end up getting 6.97 after taxes.
It would also put an end to scumbag lawyers like John Edwards who channel the voice of the baby in utero for courtroom dramatics.
| 1306 |
yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:23:38am |
re: #1298 Dianna
OT: Why on earth have Hawaiian property taxes more than doubled in one year?
The islands have shrunk?
(Sorry, couldn't help meself ...)
| 1307 |
Pianobuff Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:23:40am |
re: #1275 yma o hyd
Zuckerman (I believe) had a good piece in the last couple of weeks about numbers behind the numbers that don't necessarily get reflected in the top-line employment number.
Things like reductions in hours, employees on leave of absence, employees who have taken wage cuts etc. Numbers which are much more troubling than in the past. His conclusion is that the problem is actually worse than the numbers.
| 1309 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:23:49am |
re: #1300 midwestgak
Currently Walgreens has an Rx discount plan where you pay a $20 fee for the year and all generic scripts cost only $4/month or $12 for a 90 day supply.
That's pretty damn cheap IMHO. And it will disappear when BHO gets his plan in place.
And Wal-Mart has a whole list of $4 prescriptions ($4 for one month; or a 3 months supply for $10).
| 1310 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:24:22am |
| 1311 |
eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:24:23am |
re: #1294 winnd54
How about tort reform and "loser pay". That would put a halt to lots of useless testing that doctors do just to cover their asses. We could do something about these class action suits against the drug companies too. These do nothing but enrich trial lawyers. The plaintiffs end up getting 6.97 after taxes.
Those things would also reduce malpractice insurance premiums considerably. My GP has to cover in excess of $250,000/yr in premiums.
| 1312 |
pink freud Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:24:36am |
re: #1308 buzzsawmonkey
Missed the big Obama press conference last night.
Did I miss anything?
Nausea.
| 1313 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:24:46am |
re: #1285 doppelganglander
Of course we should be trying to win back Congress, and I agree that fiscal conservatism is the way to do it. However, as you note, Republicans do not have any credibility on that issue right now. I think most people see balancing the budget as a very abstract problem that would be nearly impossible during the current downturn. Focusing on specific examples of budget-busters that also harm the economy and have serious repercussions in people's everyday lives, like health care and cap and trade, seems much more concrete and manageable. Just my opinion; I think everyone has their own sense of priorities.
It's the entire system of how the government collects and spends money. The entire process from beginning to end wasteful and corrupt. We need to force the hand of government by tying them to a balanced budget. This is why we don't just say we'll balance it, we'll make it the law by passing an amendment to the Constitution. We follow up with real reforms in tax collection and spending mechanisms.
Because it's not that we don't have the money. We have plenty of money. Congress is just drunk with the power to spend it. It's time for an intervention. We the People do not have to tolerate this. We can pass the balanced budget amendment and put government back inside it's proper borders by constraining their power and its source- revenue.
| 1314 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:25:02am |
re: #1205 avanti
Gee whiz avanti - you can't be that obtuse. Obama's OWN BUDGET projected a $1.5 TRILLION deficit and that was before income tax revenues started to fall because of all the unemployment and underemployment.
Where the hell is he gonna get that now nearly TWO TRILLION BUCKS? Think the Chinese will lend it to us? At what interest rate? I think he's gonna just print a lot more money. No matter what happens inflation is coming and it's gonna be a Nor'easter in size. Hell Obama's OWN budget forecasts (which the Congressional Budget Office have said are wrong and unduly optimistic) project TRILLION DOLLAR deficits for the next 7 years!
| 1315 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:25:02am |
| 1317 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:25:16am |
re: #1297 keithgabryelski
I'd have to look it up. It's an interesting question (has a president attacked an individual). I'm not sure.
Rush is a pretty disingenuous monger of fear -- I'm not sure the best outcome didn't occur because he's been pointed out as such.
Bill Clinton called up KHMO radio in St Louis and said that Rush got three hours without a "truth meter", IIRC.
| 1318 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:26:02am |
OT: Large rumble just disturbed my work. I think the Thunderbirds may have arrived in town for the air and boat show this weekend.
I feel like a little kid I am so excited to see them. This time, I get to introduce my kids to the spectacle. I hope they like it as much as I do.
If there are any photographers ut thee, I would love a suggestion on the best way to get a pick of something moving that fast.
| 1319 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:26:06am |
re: #1316 lawhawk
Oops. Meant to say Ambien, since it was better than any sleep aid medication you can get with or without a prescription.
| 1320 |
Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:26:31am |
re: #1303 yma o hyd
Hiya, {HH}!
Yep - we're well and happy, having been blessed with actual sunshine, for once!
Tomorrow, Madame is for the clip: fur and claws ...
She doesn't know that yet - but I've laid on some suasages to console her. She so dislikes having any grooming done ...How is that Winston?
That's funny..Winston loves the clip jobs..He struts around he like a little stud or something..Currently he is chasing a fly around the house..hopping up and down and running around the house like a crazed dog...
Cujo has got nothing on little Winston...I'd kill the fly but he is having too much fun chasing it..
| 1321 |
J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:26:37am |
re: #1258 Sharmuta
I tend to agree that this incident is now being used by the "racialists" (particularly those who wish to paint what occurred in stark racial terms -- and that includes both sides of the debate...) Anyway, the thing I really don't like about what occurred has absolutely nothing to do with race -- rather, it's about the President of the United States taking a stand (prior to any trial/judgement etc) being made -- in other words, the POTUS rushes in to defend individual X and condemn individual Y -- that, in my book, crosses a line -- and is something (frankly) I can't recall seeing in an American President -- yes, you get this from Third World potentates, but in the United States? Please. (might also note that CNN is -- once again, this makes what now the 20th time -- someone is shown making a personal, begging request to Dear Leader -- a personal appeal, a petition to Obama -- that I find (as I've mentioned here over and over again) disgusting. Now The One is claiming to be looking into the matter. I mean, where have we read of similar instances of personal petitions to Dear Dictator? Stalinist Russia? Cuba? Communist China? What are Americans? wanton, pathetic, beggars to their Dear Leader?
| 1322 |
Son of the Black Dog Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:26:42am |
re: #1065 Nevergiveup
Obama told reporters at a televised White House news conference that he supports creating a special commission of doctors and experts to come up with ways on how to reduce healthcare costs. (Writing by Tom Doggett)
Don't you usually do that FIRST before you try to cram shit down someone's throat?
Depends on what your real objective is - fixing healthcare or cramming shit.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:27:15am |
re: #1308 buzzsawmonkey
Missed the big Obama press conference last night.
Did I miss anything?
I posted this last night and some lizards thought of you.
Sung to the tune of Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer
Grandma got run over by ObamaWalking to the doctor's without leave
You can say there's no such thing as rationing
But as for me and Grandpa we believe
She'd been seeing Doc quite oftenFor her heart and lumbago
But one day she got a letter
Saying "sacrifice yourself; it's time to go"
They found her DOA that mornin'At the scene of the attack
"Rejected" stamped upon her forehead
And an incriminatin' O upon her back
Grandma got run over by ObamaWalking to the doctor's without leave
You can say there's no such thing as rationing
But as for me and Grandpa we believe
Now we're all so proud of GrandpaThey don't have him on the run
See him in there watchin' NASCAR
And clinging bitterly to God and guns
It's just not the same without GrandmaShe was too young to be whacked
Only 70 on her next birthday
But too old according to The One's contract
Grandma got run over by ObamaWalking to the doctor's without leave
You can say there's no such thing as rationing
But as for me and Grandpa we believe
Now the funeral is overAnd the family's steeped in gloom
And now ACORN's at the front door
Taking stock of Grandpa's empty extra room
I've warned all my friends and neighborsBetter watch out for your health
We should never have elected
A man whose main concern is spreading wealth
Grandma got run over by ObamaWalking to the doctor's without leave
You can say there's no such thing as rationing
But as for me and Grandpa we believe!
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yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:27:31am |
re: #1307 Pianobuff
Zuckerman (I believe) had a good piece in the last couple of weeks about numbers behind the numbers that don't necessarily get reflected in the top-line employment number.
Things like reductions in hours, employees on leave of absence, employees who have taken wage cuts etc. Numbers which are much more troubling than in the past. His conclusion is that the problem is actually worse than the numbers.
Thats very interesting - and I'm afraid he's right.
These are, after all, not the long-term benefit-dependent layabouts. These are people who have worked, have financial comittments, and who will of necessity have to cut back their spending on everything.
These cut backs will have a knock-on effect on the local econmoy, there can be no doubt about this.
Stocks may very well rise - but stocks and shares are not 'the economy'.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:27:46am |
re: #1294 winnd54
How about tort reform and "loser pay". That would put a halt to lots of useless testing that doctors do just to cover their asses. We could do something about these class action suits against the drug companies too. These do nothing but enrich trial lawyers. The plaintiffs end up getting 6.97 after taxes.
Any PI lawyers out there want to weigh in?
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doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:28:00am |
re: #1286 realwest
Hi there doppelganglander - hey take it easy on Shar - she got into this thread relatively late and probably didn't even try to read or even scan the prior threads - not many do, ya know?
I mean I wouldn't even try to scan some 900+ posts before I jumped in!
{{{realwest}}} How are you today? I think Sharmuta is a big girl and well able to defend her opinions. From my point of view, we're having a civilized discussion about political priorities.
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Pianobuff Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:28:07am |
re: #1314 realwest
Gee whiz avanti - you can't be that obtuse. Obama's OWN BUDGET projected a $1.5 TRILLION deficit and that was before income tax revenues started to fall because of all the unemployment and underemployment.
Where the hell is he gonna get that now nearly TWO TRILLION BUCKS? Think the Chinese will lend it to us? At what interest rate? I think he's gonna just print a lot more money. No matter what happens inflation is coming and it's gonna be a Nor'easter in size. Hell Obama's OWN budget forecasts (which the Congressional Budget Office have said are wrong and unduly optimistic) project TRILLION DOLLAR deficits for the next 7 years!
Don't ya know though when it does happen that he predicted first that you would be whining about it?
| 1329 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:28:30am |
re: #1214 Pianobuff
"I can't blame you for trying, though." I can. This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of facts and avanti is deliberately being dishonest about the facts.
| 1330 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:28:34am |
re: #1319 lawhawk
Oops. Meant to say Ambien, since it was better than any sleep aid medication you can get with or without a prescription.
No-Dozing, please, when you're typing comments.
:D
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:28:58am |
re: #1308 buzzsawmonkey
Missed the big Obama press conference last night.
Did I miss anything?
Mornin' buzz! Here's his opening statement:
"My fellow Americans. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, me, blah, blah, blah, blah, crisis, blah, blah, blah, blah, economy, blah, blah, blah, blah, saved it, blah, blah, blah, blah, uninsured, blah, blah, blah, blah, only I can, blah, blah, blah, blah, let me be perfectly blah, blah, blah, blah, ozone layer - oops never mind, blah, blah, blah, not tonsils, allergies, blah, blah, blah, blah, racist cop, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'll open it up for questions now."
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J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:29:11am |
re: #1308 buzzsawmonkey
I missed it also -- apparently, though, some say that MSNBC (?) were dissin' the prez...(now that's a shocker!)
| 1334 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:29:49am |
re: #1308 buzzsawmonkey
Missed the big Obama press conference last night.
Did I miss anything?
White police are stupid racists.
Oh and something about a healthcare bill.
| 1335 |
debutaunt Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:30:08am |
re: #1298 Dianna
OT: Why on earth have Hawaiian property taxes more than doubled in one year?
Their government spends more than it takes in?
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yma o hyd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:30:25am |
re: #1320 HoosierHoops
That's funny..Winston loves the clip jobs..He struts around he like a little stud or something..Currently he is chasing a fly around the house..hopping up and down and running around the house like a crazed dog...
Cujo has got nothing on little Winston...I'd kill the fly but he is having too much fun chasing it..
Aww - sweet!
Just goes to show that he (and Big Dog, for that matter, who loved to do that as well!) have excellent hearing!
So when they don't obey, its not because they can't hear you ...!
| 1337 |
Kragarghazi Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:30:47am |
re: #1326 Creeping Eruption
Any PI lawyers out there want to weigh in?
Why would a Pacific Islander's opinion be any more valid than anyone elses?
/
| 1338 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:30:51am |
re: #1321 J.S.
I tend to agree that this incident is now being used by the "racialists" (particularly those who wish to paint what occurred in stark racial terms -- and that includes both sides of the debate...)
Yep. So you'll forgive me if I don't want to play into their hand by discussing it.
Hope you're well today, J.S.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:31:33am |
re: #1321 J.S.
I tend to agree that this incident is now being used by the "racialists" (particularly those who wish to paint what occurred in stark racial terms -- and that includes both sides of the debate...) Anyway, the thing I really don't like about what occurred has absolutely nothing to do with race -- rather, it's about the President of the United States taking a stand (prior to any trial/judgement etc) being made -- in other words, the POTUS rushes in to defend individual X and condemn individual Y -- that, in my book, crosses a line -- and is something (frankly) I can't recall seeing in an American President -- yes, you get this from Third World potentates, but in the United States? Please. (might also note that CNN is -- once again, this makes what now the 20th time -- someone is shown making a personal, begging request to Dear Leader -- a personal appeal, a petition to Obama -- that I find (as I've mentioned here over and over again) disgusting. Now The One is claiming to be looking into the matter. I mean, where have we read of similar instances of personal petitions to Dear Dictator? Stalinist Russia? Cuba? Communist China? What are Americans? wanton, pathetic, beggars to their Dear Leader?
I completely agree. It was totally inappopriate for Obama to get involved in this way, in what is a local law-enforcement matter. If H.L. Gates' civil rights were violated, that's what the Justice Department is for. If Gates actually got confrontational with the cop, and deserved to get arrested... well, that's something else. The President of the United States should not be making pronouncements about the thing.
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Gretchen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:31:50am |
re: #1297 keithgabryelski
I'd have to look it up. It's an interesting question (has a president attacked an individual). I'm not sure.
Rush is a pretty disingenuous monger of fear -- I'm not sure the best outcome didn't occur because he's been pointed out as such.
What if he is...the AGW crowd aren't fear mongers, the stimulus rush wasn't fear mongering? The we have to rush to pass "health care" reform or it will sink us isn't fear mongering? Puhhhleeze, I'm not a frequent Rush listener but he's a kitten compared to Randi Rhondes or Ed Shultz, Paul Begala or Carville. President Bush didn't use the office of the Presidency to scold private citizens for disagreeing with him. Again it is unpresidential, and a bit creepy.
| 1342 |
opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:32:48am |
re: #1264 subsailor68
If however his ID only identified him as a professor with no address & he got belligerent , that is a different story.
For some reason, that made me think of Sean Connery in The Untouchables.
"Sir, do you have any ID?"
"Yes. Here's my ID card that shows I'm a professor at Harvard.'
"Okay, no problem."
"Hey, wait. It doesn't have my address or any other info on it. You're just going to take my word that I'm a Harvard professor.""Who would claim to be that who was not?"
Great line
| 1343 |
Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:33:00am |
re: #1337 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Why would a Pacific Islander's opinion be any more valid than anyone elses?
/
I would hope that a wise Pacific Islander woman, with the richness of her experience, would reach a better conclusion than would a dumb Zionist honco.
/
| 1344 |
CommonCents Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:33:37am |
re: #1321 J.S.
... where have we read of similar instances of personal petitions to Dear Dictator? Stalinist Russia? Cuba? Communist China? What are Americans? wanton, pathetic, beggars to their Dear Leader?
The Wizard of Oz
| 1345 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:34:21am |
re: #1313 Sharmuta
It's the entire system of how the government collects and spends money. The entire process from beginning to end wasteful and corrupt. We need to force the hand of government by tying them to a balanced budget. This is why we don't just say we'll balance it, we'll make it the law by passing an amendment to the Constitution. We follow up with real reforms in tax collection and spending mechanisms.
Because it's not that we don't have the money. We have plenty of money. Congress is just drunk with the power to spend it. It's time for an intervention. We the People do not have to tolerate this. We can pass the balanced budget amendment and put government back inside it's proper borders by constraining their power and its source- revenue.
Is anyone in Congress working on a bill that would do any or all of these things? Any major think tanks on the case? Is it a plank in the Republican platform? I am not trying to be sarcastic; I genuinely would like to know. If none of those things are happening, and if they are it's not getting any publicity, then it might be because it is not a winning issue with the voters. If we want to win, I think we should focus on winning issues where there's already some support. To me, that seems more effective than trying to sell a constitutional amendment that is necessarily vague on specifics.
| 1346 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:34:23am |
| 1348 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:34:57am |
Folks talk about the expanded role of government, but for whatever reason they don't tie it to spending policy. What's the quote about "he who has the most gold rules"? We let them tax and spend like this, they're going to have the money to rule. I see them as a cause and effect. We reverse this trend by restricting the purse strings.
Bring back the Balanced Budget Amendment.
| 1349 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:35:05am |
This would be funny if it weren't going to cost us so much money...
Kerry's still yapping at Al Gore's pudgy ankles.
"International conflicts over resources, due to migrants, and/or as a means of distraction are not only likely,"
(Since when have issues re migrants ever bothered the Dems before)?
[Link: www.boston.com...]
| 1350 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:35:39am |
re: #1320 HoosierHoops
That's funny..Winston loves the clip jobs..He struts around he like a little stud or something..Currently he is chasing a fly around the house..hopping up and down and running around the house like a crazed dog...
Cujo has got nothing on little Winston...I'd kill the fly but he is having too much fun chasing it..
One of our poodles struts around after being groomed. You can almost hear him thinking "I look GOOD!"
And if another dog gets groomed first, he gets jealous.
| 1351 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:35:50am |
re: #1314 realwest
Want to see something truly frightening?
Graph of the growth of the US money supply.
Look at the amount the money supply grew from 1960 to 2009... and then see how that amount was doubled in the past 6 months.
That's not just a Nor'easter, it's a fucking tsunami!
| 1352 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:35:52am |
re: #1330 pre-Boomer Marine brat
No-Dozing, please, when you're typing comments.
:D
Wait a sec(onal)...I can't keep up!
| 1353 |
keithgabryelski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:36:47am |
re: #1274 pink freud
1) Are you saying that 0bama did NOT portray a black man as a victim and LEO as racist and biased?
here is what I heard (from President Obama):
1) I don't know the facts
2) Gates is my friend.
3) I am bias towards Gates
4) don't know what role race played
5) There is a history of racial injustice in America
6) the Cambridge police acted stupidly.
I think arresting Gates makes him a victim. He shouldn't have been arrested.
I think when the president talks, people listen, and read a lot into his words, even if he did say "i don't know what role race played". In this case his words may lead any reasonable person to believe POTUS was calling a Cambridge police officer a racist.
I'm sure the President will clarify his remarks. I'm pretty sure he was talking about "the arrest" and not the things that preceded it.
2) A man of Gates' education (note I did not say "intellect") should have known NOT to challenge them on the spot but should have complied and pursued any grievances after the fact in a proper legal manner.
People at all education levels act improperly every day. Cops act improperly as well as Educated Harvard Professors.
I'm on Crowely's side on this, for the most part. All but the arresting part.
Although, I have seen some Cambridge Police shenanigans happen first hand, heard of others second hand (from the person who was improperly stopped for being black in a nice car).
| 1354 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:36:49am |
re: #1345 doppelganglander
Is anyone in Congress working on a bill that would do any or all of these things? Any major think tanks on the case? Is it a plank in the Republican platform? I am not trying to be sarcastic; I genuinely would like to know. If none of those things are happening, and if they are it's not getting any publicity, then it might be because it is not a winning issue with the voters. If we want to win, I think we should focus on winning issues where there's already some support. To me, that seems more effective than trying to sell a constitutional amendment that is necessarily vague on specifics.
So far, it's being promoted by a think tank of one.
| 1355 |
keithgabryelski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:37:35am |
re: #1302 pink freud
When it comes to mongering fear, Rush has nothing on what's occupying the White House.
we disagree.
| 1356 |
nyc redneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:38:24am |
re: #1297 keithgabryelski
I'd have to look it up. It's an interesting question (has a president attacked an individual). I'm not sure.
Rush is a pretty disingenuous monger of fear -- I'm not sure the best outcome didn't occur because he's been pointed out as such.
o, w/in one wk of getting elected and shouting "I WON", began attacking rush,
a private citizen. it was a ridiculous move on the part of o and really degraded the office of potus.
it did, however, greatly increase rush's listenership. LOL
btw, look how the left tried to destroy pres. bush. he focused on doing his job and did not try to impede the 1st amendment.
| 1357 |
realwest Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:38:37am |
re: #1232 Bloodnok
How many "Contracts with America" have the Leftists Democrats put forth?
None.
How many POSITIVE ideas did the Dem Controlled Congress put forth in '7 and '08?
None.
How much has our deficit grown (even without Obamacare and Cap and Trade) in 6 months under Obama? Hundreds of Billions - headed for by his own guesstimet, $1.5 TRILLION (more like 2.0 TRILLION because of declining receipts at the IRS due to massive unemployment.
But the GOP has to come up with a contract for America?
| 1358 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:38:49am |
re: #1347 buzzsawmonkey
Here's what I don't understand about the Big Health Care Push:
1) How, or why, health care costs are going to "bankrupt the economy" or something. People do pay for health care costs, for the most part--via their insurance companies, at least. And if the services are being paid for, even if the costs are a burden to the insured, aren't they actually helping the economy by keeping all those people in the health and insurance businesses employed?
2) Yes, there are also the costs of covering the uninsured. But it is my understanding that some of this is paid for through tax money allocated for the purpose, and some of it paid for by the prices paid by those who are insured. One can argue about the equitability of this, but it still doesn't seem to be something that would "bankrupt the economy."
3) Half the time Obama and Co. are talking about the availability and cost of insurance, half the time they are talking about the costs of actual care--and usually trying to make it seem like these are the same thing, when they're not. Which one are they really claiming to address--and are they, in any meaningful way?
Add to this how is the government plan going to save money and still give the same level of service? If there are cost-cutting measures that would really work, why not just apply those to the current system?
I think Obama thinks that government spending is "free", and doesn't come out of the economy.
| 1359 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:39:43am |
re: #1354 Sharmuta
So far, it's being promoted by a think tank of one.
Then I wish you luck. If you feel passionately enough about it, maybe you can get some interest from a Congressman or a nonprofit. Plenty of successful movements have started off as just one person.
| 1360 |
keithgabryelski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:42:18am |
re: #1340 Gretchen
I'm not a frequent Rush listener but he's a kitten compared to Randi Rhondes
Randi Rhones is just about as vile as Rush. I don't think either of them are kittens.
President Bush didn't use the office of the Presidency to scold private citizens for disagreeing with him. Again it is unpresidential, and a bit creepy.
I've said I had a problem with his statement.
| 1362 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:45:01am |
re: #1359 doppelganglander
Then I wish you luck. If you feel passionately enough about it, maybe you can get some interest from a Congressman or a nonprofit. Plenty of successful movements have started off as just one person.
The ideas are usually more popular when not delivered with a side of criticism.
| 1363 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:45:59am |
re: #1300 midwestgak
Currently Walgreens has an Rx discount plan where you pay a $20 fee for the year and all generic scripts cost only $4/month or $12 for a 90 day supply.
That's pretty damn cheap IMHO. And it will disappear when BHO gets his plan in place.
The problem with generics is that the only thing that has to be the same is the main ingredient, while the binders, etc., can be different. There was a story on the local TV news here recently about a college co-ed (epileptic) whose seizure rates varied widely depending on which maker's generic the pharmacy dispensed. When she was finally put back on the brand name drug, the seizure rate went way down, and she was able to finish her studies and graduate.
| 1364 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:46:11am |
re: #1347 buzzsawmonkey
Medicare and Medicaid are going bankrupt, but Obamacare just adds all of us to those federally funded providers. Makes no sense at all.
| 1365 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:46:31am |
re: #1364 redstateredneck
and state funded (left that out).
| 1366 |
wintercat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:47:34am |
Anyone with a brain in their head knows better than to challenge a cop when he or she is in the process of investigating a possible crime scene. What if the house had been broken into and Gates was actually being threatened by the perps (who maybe were out of the line of sight of the cop)? Asking him to step out of the house may not have seemed like a reasonable request to Gates but it could have been for his own safety as far as the cop was concerned. He stated in the police report that he was confused by Gates reaction. What if he had just say, yea ok and then walked away and Gates was killed by someone hiding in the house? What then? Would he have been a racist for not investigating the home of a black man as he would have investigated the home of a white man?
Or what if Gates just got arrested because he was being a complete belligerent ass? Do we expect cops to just take any abuse people choose to throw on them? Why do they need to put up with that? They don't. And shouldn't. And I have been detained by cops, cops whom I believed did so without cause. I didn't like it and I was really mad. But, I went to the police station and complained after the incident. I didn't go on national TV and scream that I was profiled (which I had been).
Here's another thing. Gates has already coined a name for the incident. He says he has been "Crowley'd". What is up with that? Sounds like a strategic move. He said this to the media. He is going to play the situation up for all he can. He is in line to win a huge court battle over this probably raking in millions because the Cambridge City Mayor had the charges dropped. And all this free publicity promoting his PBS special too. All at the expense of this poor cop who did his job just the way he should have done it.
| 1367 |
keithgabryelski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:55:08am |
re: #1356 nyc redneck
o, w/in one wk of getting elected and shouting "I WON", began attacking rush,
a private citizen. it was a ridiculous move on the part of o and really degraded the office of potus.
it did, however, greatly increase rush's listenership. LOL
The first statement I remember from President George W. Bush was "I intend to restore dignity back to the white house" which was both a childish thing to say and an attack on an individual.
I'd rather not get into an argument about what either of us think the job of POTUS is or is not. Let me respond to this and maybe we can settle at "we disagree".
and did not try to impede the 1st amendment.
I don't think President Obama was trying to nor did he impede the first amendment.
btw, look how the left tried to destroy pres. bush. he focused on doing his job
Katrina
| 1368 |
keithgabryelski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:56:21am |
I'm on a drive to RI to visit family, I'll be on a hand-held to catch the replies, but responses may be delayed.
| 1369 |
Gretchen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:04:12am |
re: #1363 Ward Cleaver
The problem with generics is that the only thing that has to be the same is the main ingredient, while the binders, etc., can be different. There was a story on the local TV news here recently about a college co-ed (epileptic) whose seizure rates varied widely depending on which maker's generic the pharmacy dispensed. When she was finally put back on the brand name drug, the seizure rate went way down, and she was able to finish her studies and graduate.
In general generics are fine, there are certainly specific cases where individuals need the brand name version, and I agree it makes sense to try the generic. Obama and Co want to force makers of bio-tech drugs (monoclonal antibodies and the like) into generic versions. You thought generic anti-seizure meds were bad?
Anyway, I'm sure Obama's panel of "experts" will quickly conclude that anyone who can't tolerate generics is a drain on the system.
| 1370 |
ladycatnip Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:13:02am |
Obama had NO business jumping onto the Crowely/Gates bandwagon. As an attorney he should know better - he doesn't have all the facts before him. Maybe he did it get the heat of his failing socialized Obamacare plan - it's not going well, he's feeling the heat, so let's divert everyone's attention.
Another point of concern is why on earth did Obama call the head of the CBO to the WH? The CBO does not make policy, they are simply a reporting agency. So why the visit? Was it intimidation? We know one thing, and that's Obama wants to delay the CBO's July report.
Too bad we can't trust the media to dig into these issues.
| 1371 |
Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:18:49pm |
re: #540 Render
Gus, there has got to be a better link then that one.
DOUBLE
PLUS
UNGOOD,
R
Yeah, looks like it since it was deleted. I was going to check the source this morning but didn't -- normally I backtrack. Being that it was from "Newsbusters" I assumed it was cool and for the record that's where I got the link. I finally backtracked 2 minutes ago and get the picture now and it's rather creepy.
| 1372 |
Bloodnok Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:21:46pm |
re: #1357 realwest
How many "Contracts with America" have the
LeftistsDemocrats put forth?
None.
How many POSITIVE ideas did the Dem Controlled Congress put forth in '7 and '08?
None.
How much has our deficit grown (even without Obamacare and Cap and Trade) in 6 months under Obama? Hundreds of Billions - headed for by his own guesstimet, $1.5 TRILLION (more like 2.0 TRILLION because of declining receipts at the IRS due to massive unemployment.
But the GOP has to come up with a contract for America?
Yeah. Why go with what works?
/sarc
| 1373 |
krkrawiec Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:14:52pm |
With all due respect to the eminently respectable Mr. Pirsig, a Thought Experiment is proposed: Find the most reasonable, rational person you know and invite him to a dinner party with ten mutual friends. You and the ten friends agree ahead of time to insist confidently, continuously, and vehemently for the entire evening that the sun will not rise tomorrow, all the while exhibiting to him complete disdain, ridicule, and contempt for his opinion that it will.
Hypothesis: Unless endowed with a Jobian patience an Obaman arrogance, eventually he will physically or metaphorically be fanatically slamming his own or someone else's head against the wall.
When reason is outlawed, only outlaws will be reasonable.
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Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
