Harry Reid: No Health Care Vote Until Fall

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A big blow to Barack Obama’s attempt to rush the country into nationalized health care: Reid: No health care vote in Senate until fall.

WASHINGTON — The top Democrat in the Senate says lawmakers won’t vote until after August on health care, a blow to President Barack Obama’s ambitious timetable.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told reporters Thursday the Finance Committee will act on its portion of the bill before Congress’ monthlong break. Then Reid will merge that bill with separate legislation already passed by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee.

The Nevada Democrat says the decision to delay a vote was made Wednesday night in the hopes of getting a final bipartisan bill.

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1 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:54:40am

Maybe there will be enough time to read it now.
One can only hope.

2 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:54:45am

The GOP just bought the time they need to stop this plan and come up with something better. I hope they don't squander this opportunity.

3 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:55:04am

Teh win

4 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:55:43am

Waterloo..water looo
where were you
at waterloo...

5 winnd54  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:56:22am

Nobody will mention tort reform both against the docs and the pharmaceutical industry. Class action law suits don't help anybody but lawyers. Most of the cases brought against doctors are frivolous. How about a system of loser pays? I know why congress never brings this up, but why doesn't the press bring it up?

6 Wendya  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:56:32am

It's dead.

After the blue dogs get lambasted when they go home on recess, there's no way in hell they're going to be in any kind of mood to throw their seats under Obama's bus.

7 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:56:44am

And we know we can trust Harry on this..because it's his ass up for election...

8 Henchman Ghazi-808  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:56:44am

2008: Hope! Change!
2009: Hope. Change.
2010: hope...change... sorta...
2011: shuddup

9 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:57:00am

re: #6 Wendya

It's dead.

After the blue dogs get lambasted when they go home on recess, there's no way in hell they're going to be in any kind of mood to throw their seats under Obama's bus.

I concur.

10 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:57:35am
11 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:58:21am

The next timely death of legislation needs to be crap and trade

12 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:58:30am

Are we being publicly lied to? Yesterday Nancy Pelosi said they did have the votes they needed and they would be voting on this before the summer recess.

What's going on, I don't understand this. I had a lot more faith in our President, but this really has shaken my loyalty.

I could actually give the Democrats a lot of credit if it weren't for crazy stunts like this.

Nealth Cairz is a joke.

13 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:58:35am

Beware of baseball bats at White House dinner parties. The Chicago way and all that.

/

14 nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:58:35am

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

More time means more time to arrange for the proper earmarks to be inserted to bribe reluctant supporters, and more time to apply behind the scenes pressure when mere bribery does not work.

Yeah but now they have to go home and hear it from their constituents

15 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:58:38am

Crisis Going To Waste in 3... 2...

16 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:59:01am

Ah, a graceful way to avoid the ignominy of defeat - simply delay it until people are not paying attention.

The Democrats don't have the numbers to make it happen because their more conservative contingent isnt' going for it - and the numbers don't add up.

Health care is a massive and risky tax and spend scheme. There is no other way to characterize it because of the money involved, what the Administration hopes to do with this, and the demand that it be done immediately without serious scrutiny to insure that the numbers add up.

The CBO knows that this can't add up without massive taxes to make the numbers work and it wont save money in the long run. GOPers keep pointing this out. Even Democrats are realizing that this is a tax and spend scheme, and Obama's promise to avoid taxing 95% of Americans has fallen by the wayside.

The most important thing Obama said last night wasn't anything having to do with his friend, the Harvard professor, but that he green lighted the taxation of the middle class for health care so long as it wasn't where all the money for his proposals come from (he'd want more money to come from soaking the rich than from soaking the middle class).

But what we know is that if he tried to keep the tax hikes and surtaxes only on the rich, they could never make the numbers balance out; it had to fall onto the middle class. And even then, the numbers wont balance out.

17 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:59:05am

If then...

Of course Hillary is smiling ear to ear...

18 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:59:17am

Now would be a really great time for GOP HQ to come out with some energy ideas and fiscal proposals, so returning congressional members have something to work with when they get back from break.

19 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:59:34am

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey
True, you can bet there will be some honey pots prepared and some testicles vised over this one.

20 Gearhead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:59:34am

re: #2 Sharmuta

The GOP just bought the time they need to stop this plan and come up with something better. I hope they don't squander this opportunity.

Amen. Amen. Amen. Too bad "Contract With America" has already been used.

21 jaunte  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:00:03am

re: #12 Walter L. Newton

Are we being publicly lied to?

Yes. They could make it happen, but there isn't enough cover.

22 JamesTKirk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:00:13am

re: #2 Sharmuta

The GOP just bought the time they need to stop this plan and come up with something better. I hope they don't squander this opportunity.

FTFY

23 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:00:33am

re: #12 Walter L. Newton

Pelosi could have the votes in the House.
Reid thinks he doesn't have the votes in the Senate.

Both have major problems with basic math - namely that none of the Democrats' proposals for health care add up to saving money for all Americans over the long term. It's just another tax and spend proposal that will result in lower quality of care and restricted access to health care to create "savings".

24 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:00:40am

re: #1 SasquatchOnSteroids

Maybe there will be enough time to read it now.
One can only hope.

SoS ... on the second of my three calls to my Blue Dog ... his assistant said he was in the process of "reading" the bill ... I am "hoping" that by the time he gets back to DC he will have finished reading it ... his office said they have received many many calls about the bill ... most wanting him to vote no ... we will see what happens ...

25 Gearhead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:00:56am

re: #18 Sharmuta

Now would be a really great time for GOP HQ to come out with some energy ideas and fiscal proposals, so returning congressional members have something to work with when they get back from break.

Amen again.

I would add "...and so candidates have something to work with in 2010."

26 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:01:13am

re: #18 Sharmuta

Now would be a really great time for GOP HQ to come out with some energy ideas and fiscal proposals, so returning congressional members have something to work with when they get back from break.

I think they should work on the birth certificate.

27 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:01:28am

excellent,
o hurt himself last night. i hope he keeps talking.
people are saturated w/ his arrogance and how he acts "stupidly"

is it too early to open a bottle of champagne?

28 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:01:57am

re: #18 Sharmuta

Now would be a really great time for GOP HQ to come out with some energy ideas and fiscal proposals, so returning congressional members have something to work with when they get back from break.

Do you know if there is anything that would prohibit a group of governors working in concert with senators/congress-critters on something like this?

29 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:02:13am

re: #16 lawhawk
The rich is a spring that will only pump so much water

and it must decline as time gopes on. Punishing those who create is a self defeating proposition.

30 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:02:24am

re: #20 Gearhead

Amen. Amen. Amen. Too bad "Contract With America" has already been used.

I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of a CWA 2.0- as long as the contract was mostly points on which I agreed. Like the balanced budget amendment.

31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:02:28am

Maybe Al Franken can save health-care.

32 Henchman Ghazi-808  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:02:36am

There has to be a term for voting on bills they obviously haven't read. After StimuNormous and this, I'm sure their voting on principle and ideology and nothing more.

The latin term may be Ignoramus Legislatus

I vote for Oblivislation. (oblivious legislation)

/buzzsawmonkey impression

33 JamesTKirk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:02:49am

re: #18 Sharmuta

Now would be a really great time for GOP HQ to come out with some energy ideas

More drilling, more refineries, more nuclear plants.

and fiscal proposals,

Stop wasting my money on useless crap you have no business being involved in!

so returning congressional members have something to work with when they get back from break.

That was easy.

34 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:02:58am

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

I think they should work on the birth certificate.

Good call, Walter.

35 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:03:16am

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Maybe Al Franken can save health-care.

Well, he's (not) smart enough, he's (not) good enough, and doggone it, people (don't) like him.

36 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:03:44am

re: #27 nyc redneck
I agree he hurt himself...and If they pass the legislation before the recess, then it will be the demise of the democrat party since even their base understands paying a lot more for nothing is bad.

37 Wendya  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:04:03am

re: #12 Walter L. Newton

Are we being publicly lied to?

This is a rhetorical question, right?

Last week, Pelosi released a statement on her website claiming the CBO report said her plan would be revenue neutral or save money. The actual report she linked to said pretty much the opposite. Today we hear Obama has called the director of the CBO to meet with him in the WH.

Obama, Pelosi, etc.. are gathering their forces for a full out onslaught in the next month. They've basically told the blue dogs and other democrats concerned with the price to shut up and get in line. I guess we'll see if they represent their constituents or if they're Obama's lapdogs.

38 vxbush  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:04:12am

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Maybe Al Franken can save health-care.

I'm sorry, but I must have just had a mental breakdown and reboot. I could have sworn you were suggesting that Bunny Ears could save healthcare.

39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:04:52am

re: #35 Honorary Yooper

Don't you just love it when you really do laugh out loud? Not just type it on the screen?

That was fantastic!

(I hate Minnesota now)

40 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:04:54am

The Dems are preventing the GOP from sending this chart of the proposed health care system to constituents claiming it isn't accurate.

Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

Nice chart - what could the Donks possible be afraid of? Its going to backfire now that its been linked to Drudge it will get more coverage than if they had just let it go out in a mailing.

41 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:05:07am

re: #38 vxbush

I'm sorry, but I must have just had a mental breakdown and reboot. I could have sworn you were suggesting that Bunny Ears could save healthcare.

I am betting there was a missed Sarc tag

42 ROPMA  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:05:25am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Beware of baseball bats at White House dinner parties. The Chicago way and all that.

/

Youtube Video

from The Untouchables

43 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:05:27am

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Maybe Al Franken can save health-care.

People see him and they get sick.

44 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:05:51am

re: #28 Pianobuff

Do you know if there is anything that would prohibit a group of governors working in concert with senators/congress-critters on something like this?

I don't know why not- other than it might not occur to them. We seem to have a leadership vacuum. But it was ideas like in the Contract that brought me to the party, and I think they will work again. If only they were the centerpiece of our party, maybe it would work again.

45 formercorpsman  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:06:01am

re: #37 Wendya

You just answered the question I was going to ask.

It really seems someone is trying to put a lid on some pretty big infighting.

46 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:06:13am
47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:06:14am

re: #42 ROPMA

They spoofed that on SNL with Reagan. Funny as hell.

RIP Phil Hartman

48 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:06:36am

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Maybe Al Franken can save health-care.

He has the diaper vote sewn up.

49 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:06:57am

re: #37 Wendya

This is a rhetorical question, right?

Last week, Pelosi released a statement on her website claiming the CBO report said her plan would be revenue neutral or save money. The actual report she linked to said pretty much the opposite. Today we hear Obama has called the director of the CBO to meet with him in the WH.

Obama, Pelosi, etc.. are gathering their forces for a full out onslaught in the next month. They've basically told the blue dogs and other democrats concerned with the price to shut up and get in line. I guess we'll see if they represent their constituents or if they're Obama's lapdogs.

No, I'm really crushed. I wanted to trust Obama, but it looks like he is not able to accomplish what he promised me.

That's terrible.

50 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:07:26am
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told reporters Thursday the Finance Committee will act on its portion of the bill before Congress’ monthlong break. Then Reid will merge that bill with separate legislation already passed by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee.

So they'll get part of what they want now, and the rest later. Sneaky.

51 Wendya  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:07:32am

re: #40 DaddyG

Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

“I’d like to see the flow chart on how Speaker [Nancy] Pelosi plans on implementing the open and transparent government she keeps promising everyone.”

Good shot!

52 vxbush  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:07:37am

re: #41 Buck

I am betting there was a missed Sarc tag

Ah, that must be it. Okay. Reality has now shifted back to the norm. It still tilts left, apparently, but I've gotten used to that.

53 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:07:39am

re: #48 MandyManners

He has the diaper vote sewn up.

That Depends on how much he Luvs his job. He could be Pampered for all we know.

54 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:08:14am

Harry Reid? RACIST!

///

55 JustABill  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:08:27am

I think it may be good and truly dead. Now, time to kill crap and trade.

56 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:08:32am

re: #48 MandyManners

He has the diaper vote sewn up.

You are not going to trick me into clicking that link again. Spraying Lysol in my eyes afterward just stings too much!

57 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:08:44am

re: #53 Honorary Yooper

That Depends on how much he Luvs his job. He could be Pampered for all we know.

He's living on a White Cloud.

/from walmart

58 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:08:55am

re: #53 Honorary Yooper

That Depends on how much he Luvs his job. He could be Pampered for all we know.

"Oops I crapped my pants"

/SNL

59 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:09:00am

THANK YOU MAX BAUCUS

60 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:09:02am

re: #49 Walter L. Newton

No, I'm really crushed. I wanted to trust Obama, but it looks like he is not able to accomplish what he promised me.

That's terrible.

Don't be so hard on yourself, Walter. Obama is, after all, just a politician and nothing more.

Always expect politicians to lie to you.

61 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:09:20am

re: #53 Honorary Yooper

That Depends on how much he Luvs his job. He could be Pampered for all we know.

Talc about puns!

62 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:09:50am
No Health Care Vote Until Fall

Yeay! Now there's time for Harry & Louise to think this damn thing thru.

63 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:09:53am

re: #37 Wendya

Obama, Pelosi, etc.. are gathering their forces for a full out onslaught in the next month. They've basically told the blue dogs and other democrats concerned with the price to shut up and get in line. I guess we'll see if they represent their constituents or if they're Obama's lapdogs.

Arm-twisting only goes so far with Democrats who basically represent red districts.

There's not much Pelosi and Obama can offer them that will offset the fact that they'll lose their seats in 2010 if they vote for this abomination.

See: Former Rep. Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky, D (PA), and Clinton's 1993 budget.

64 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:09:57am

As someone mentioned earlier, the whole point of cramming this thing through before the recess was do it before members could go back to their district and get an earful. Remember Mel Carnahan in Missouri the other day? He was almost laughed off the stage when he started touting this bill. Harry and Nancy don't want the people to talk to their representatives.

65 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:10:09am

re: #56 DaddyG

You are not going to trick me into clicking that link again. Spraying Lysol in my eyes afterward just stings too much!

Huffing it is better.

66 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:10:20am

re: #44 Sharmuta

We [GOP] seem to have a leadership vacuum.

Perhaps not a leadership vacuum as much as vacuous leadership.

67 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:10:22am

re: #8 BigPapa

2008: Hope! Change!
2009: Hope. Change.
2010: hope...change... sorta...
2011: shuddup

2012 seems so far away...

68 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:10:32am

re: #28 Pianobuff

Do you know if there is anything that would prohibit a group of governors working in concert with senators/congress-critters on something like this?

Nothing at all precludes it - it's done all the time. As a matter of fact, one of the problems is that governors are SCREAMING that expanding medicaid as the legislation proposes would increase the unfunded mandate burden at the state level at a time of declining revenues.

As for Pelosi saying she had the votes - hubby was on the Hill ALL DAY yesterday and had dinner w/staff last nite. Apparently, she wasn't lying knowingly - she was lied TO by other members who are scared to death of her. Remember, when the Dems were in the minority, she was the whip - she knows how to count and she knows how to kneecap.

There won't be much opportunity to add things to the legislation - August recess is when a lot of these guys do the overseas junket thingy. Plus, when they start the face-to-face stuff in their districts, it's going to be like drinking from a fire hose - spewing piss.

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:10:34am

re: #61 MandyManners

Talc about puns!

You've had to have been waiting to use that. Had to.

70 Gearhead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:10:37am

re: #53 Honorary Yooper

That Depends on how much he Luvs his job. He could be Pampered for all we know.

(Diaper) Change!

71 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:10:42am
72 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:10:48am

re: #53 Honorary Yooper

That Depends on how much he Luvs his job. He could be Pampered for all we know.

Way to pin one on him!

73 P. Aaron  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:11:09am

re: #2 Sharmuta

The GOP just bought the time they need to stop this plan and come up with something better. I hope they don't squander this opportunity.

I think now, after the stimulus & TARP, it's proveable beyond a shadow of a doubt: It's Democrats that don't read.

74 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:11:41am

re: #48 MandyManners

He has the diaper vote sewn up.

I wonder if this picture got any airtime prior to the election? Or, is that we are dealing with Minnesotans?

75 JamesTKirk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:11:43am

re: #73 P. Aaron

I think now, after the stimulus & TARP, it's proveable beyond a shadow of a doubt: It's Democrats that don't read.

Image: tarp.jpg

76 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:12:00am

re: #44 Sharmuta

I don't know why not- other than it might not occur to them. We seem to have a leadership vacuum. But it was ideas like in the Contract that brought me to the party, and I think they will work again. If only they were the centerpiece of our party, maybe it would work again.

It has occurred to me that stronger unity in messaging between the fed legislators and state execs could be very helpful - not only in unity of message, but also allowing for a wider range of options in who to choose to communicate different aspects of the message (e.g. budget, energy, etc.) based upon his/her strengths or admittedly his/her lack of weaknesses.

What I don't know is if there are other drivers that keep them from playing in that direction, because it's kind of common sense to me but I don't really see a lot of obvious shared messages getting out there. Maybe there's something I'm not aware of or haven't considered.

77 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:12:17am

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You've had to have been waiting to use that. Had to.

You're accusing me of having a crib sheet?

78 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:12:30am

re: #60 Honorary Yooper

Don't be so hard on yourself, Walter. Obama is, after all, just a politician and nothing more.

Always expect politicians to lie to you.

I have no dog in this fight. I have all the free health care I want, I make a lot of money ripping off dumb people who don't realize their antique soap box racing car is worth a fortune in Cuba and I pick up extra cash as an expert bingo player.

But, I still want to support my President.

79 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:12:42am

re: #77 MandyManners

you have them rattled now!!

80 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:12:44am

re: #74 unreconstructed rebel

I wonder if this picture got any airtime prior to the election? Or, is that we are dealing with Minnesotans?

I got it here.

81 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:12:47am

re: #74 unreconstructed rebel

I wonder if this picture got any airtime prior to the election? Or, is that we are dealing with Minnesotans?

Wow. And this man is now responsible for setting policy that can control aspects of my life...

82 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:12:54am

re: #18 Sharmuta

Now would be a really great time for GOP HQ to come out with some energy ideas and fiscal proposals, so returning congressional members have something to work with when they get back from break.

Having a substantive agenda would certainly help. But regarding the delay in the health care bill, they ought to take advantage of the time to publicize the hell out of it - analyze every page, and get the word out about the massive amounts of partisan cruft it has attached to it, along with the costs and loss of quality it will put in place if passed.

Also - keep an eye on the House. They are mulling staying over their recess to continue ramming their version of the bill through, at a time when lots of DC reporters will have scheduled vacations to coincide with the traditional break. It needs to be delayed in the House, too, to the extent possible, and the same treatment needs to be applied - a skeptical, public examination conducted in excrutiating detail.

83 unreconstructed rebel  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:13:00am

re: #77 MandyManners

You're accusing me of having a crib sheet?

In fact, yes. :-)

84 Gearhead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:13:02am

re: #73 P. Aaron

I think now, after the stimulus & TARP, it's proveable beyond a shadow of a doubt: It's Democrats that don't read.

Who needs to read when we have Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman to tell us everything we need to know?

/ (in case you were wondering)

85 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:13:33am

re: #77 MandyManners

You're accusing me of having a crib sheet?

OMG!
Mandy's mad.
Now we gotta pacifier.

86 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:13:33am

re: #77 MandyManners

You're accusing me of having a crib sheet?

Oh, you want to Play? Pen your next pun.

87 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:13:36am

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

I have no dog in this fight. I have all the free health care I want, I make a lot of money ripping off dumb people who don't realize their antique soap box racing car is worth a fortune in Cuba and I pick up extra cash as an expert bingo player.

But, I still want to support my President.

WLN ... ROFLMAO ...

88 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:14:20am

re: #1 SasquatchOnSteroids

Maybe there will be enough time to read it now.
One can only hope.

Gives em' time to work this into a Pork-Care bill.

89 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:14:30am

re: #79 quiet man

you have them rattled now!!

I wonder if they're pensive.

90 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:14:56am

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

I have no dog in this fight. I have all the free health care I want, I make a lot of money ripping off dumb people who don't realize their antique soap box racing car is worth a fortune in Cuba and I pick up extra cash as an expert bingo player.

But, I still want to support my President.

Really? Is anything worth a fortune in Cuba? Who has any money there?

91 Dianna  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:15:09am

re: #12 Walter L. Newton

Pelosi's in the House, Reid is in the Senate.

92 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:15:15am

re: #89 MandyManners

I wonder what happens after that when they become ex-pensive

93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:15:31am

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

Folks!? He is a professional writer. Do not try that at home.

94 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:15:36am

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

I have no dog in this fight. I have all the free health care I want, I make a lot of money ripping off dumb people who don't realize their antique soap box racing car is worth a fortune in Cuba and I pick up extra cash as an expert bingo player.

But, I still want to support my President.

ROFLMAO!

95 jaunte  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:15:42am

re: #90 Buck

Walter is one of the resident high-altitude satirists.

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:16:21am

re: #95 jaunte

Walter is one of the resident high-altitude satirists.

And a flippin evil genius.

97 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:16:23am

re: #95 jaunte
Yep..I can barely make him out up there...

98 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:16:26am

re: #95 jaunte

Walter is one of the resident high-altitude satirists.

He's at least a mile high.

99 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:16:40am

re: #83 unreconstructed rebel

In fact, yes. :-)

Well, I'm teething.

100 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:16:55am

re: #95 jaunte

Walter is one of the resident high-altitude satirists.

Lesson learned...

Now what do I do with my garage filled with antique soap box racing cars...?

101 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:17:11am

re: #85 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OMG!
Mandy's mad.
Now we gotta pacifier.

What's your formula?

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:17:16am

re: #99 MandyManners

Gonna be a rash of baby puns.

103 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:17:30am

re: #40 DaddyG

The Dems are preventing the GOP from sending this chart of the proposed health care system to constituents claiming it isn't accurate.

Democrats Block GOP Health Care Mailing

Nice chart - what could the Donks possible be afraid of? Its going to backfire now that its been linked to Drudge it will get more coverage than if they had just let it go out in a mailing.

Web distribution is probably more effective, anyway. And frankly, speaking of franking, if the GOP feels that it is important to mail this out to constituents, then the GOP has it's own resources it can draw upon to pay for the mailing if their franking privileges are being toyed with.

I don't recall any past attempts to control franking by either party. Maybe I missed it, but it sets a bad precedent. It's just one more bad act that will inevitably invite payback in one form or another. Not to mention the free publicity they've handed the GOP by attempting this blockade. The Dems must have their heads up their asses thinking this was a smart move.

104 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:17:37am

re: #99 MandyManners

only teething??
and we all thought you were serious about that

105 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:17:56am

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gonna be a rash of baby puns.

It depends.

106 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:18:09am

re: #98 Honorary Yooper

He's at least a mile high.

As many here know, I moved up hill last week, I'm at 8000 feet in the Rockies.

Thanks for all the support. Please clean your monitors and get back to work.

107 Silvergirl  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:18:12am

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gonna be a rash of baby puns.

They're having a bawl with this.

108 opnion  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:18:30am

The wheels are getting wobbly. If Obama doesn't get this he will really lose cred with the public & the Congress.
Emmauel & that group I am sure are digging up dirt on the Blue Dogs.

109 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:18:44am

re: #50 Ward Cleaver

So they'll get part of what they want now, and the rest later. Sneaky.

And unfortunately, effective. It is this administration's pattern. Does anyone still believe the House, the Senate or Congress act as checks on power?

Sadly I do not. They are separate bodies of power in name only.

110 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:18:50am

re: #86 WinterCat

Oh, you want to Play? Pen your next pun.

I can barely keep it bottled up.

111 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:19:22am

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And a flippin evil genius.

I was wondering if he'd flipped his lid.

112 orangutan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:19:27am

Jimmy Carter was known for trying to force a Congress run by his party to simply vote through his agenda, with little analysis or marketing of it to the representatives or (more importantly) to the American people. In the end, he has a legacy of stagflation and horridly failed arms limitation and peace treaties...and that sweater when it was getting colder.

113 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:19:37am

Here's an idea -- a fusion of voice recognition and translation software technologies.

New parents wouldn't have to wonder what their infant was saying.

They could Gurgle it.

114 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:19:46am

re: #110 MandyManners

I can barely keep it bottled up.

Evian baby moonwalks

Youtube Video
115 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:19:51am

OT: An interesting Pew poll...
Confidence in Obama Lifts U.S. Image Around the World

Most Muslim Publics Not So Easily Moved

Take note of the support for suicide bombings, Bush vs Obama vs Bin Laden. The trends on international economic confidence are interesting too.

116 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:20:06am

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gonna be a rash of baby puns.

Makes me wanna' cradle my head in my hands.

117 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:20:22am

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

As many here know, I moved up hill last week, I'm at 8000 feet in the Rockies.

Thanks for all the support. Please clean your monitors and get back to work.

Yep, you've got that Rocky Mountain High, Walter.

Youtube Video
118 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:20:49am

re: #101 MandyManners

What's your formula?

Where th' hell did y' burp that up from?

119 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:20:59am

I cant believe the puns are still bouncing like that

120 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:21:01am

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

I kiss your feet.

121 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:21:22am

re: #61 MandyManners

Talc about puns!

As long as they are disposable.

122 Cygnus  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:21:31am

re: #61 MandyManners

Talc about puns!

That reminds me of the sign seen at a church nursery, quoting I Cor. 15:

"We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed".

123 subsailor68  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:21:33am

Am I correct in understanding that there are two versions, one in the House, and the other in the Senate? And further, that the House version was portioned out to three committees, only two of which have voted on their portions (Energy and Commerce holding up their portion - cost issues I think)?

So, Pelosi thinks she has the votes to pass the House version, but members of her own party are saying she doesn't, and she doesn't even have the full proposed version back - and won't until Energy and Commerce finish.

And Reid in the Senate is saying he doesn't think there'll be a vote on their version before the recess?

And after the House and Senate pass their respective versions, don't the two versions have to go through the reconciliation process, prior to a final bill being sent to the President for signature?

It sure looks to me as though this may be losing steam, and after the pols get back from having their asses handed to them by their constituents, it may be even tougher.

I hope.

;-)

124 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:21:48am

re: #122 Cygnus
These puns are amoungst the most disposable I have ever seen

125 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:22:01am

The Bluedog Democrats are natural allies on more fiscal matters. The GOP needs to come out with proposals where these dems will naturally be inclined to support it. How about a two-fer? A jobs bill joined with energy- build some nuclear power plants.

126 Spider Mensch  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:22:02am

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

As many here know, I moved up hill last week, I'm at 8000 feet in the Rockies.

Thanks for all the support. Please clean your monitors and get back to work.

8000? guess you'll be getting out the snow removal equipment soon, huh? first flakes fly about the end of August I hear..

127 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:22:17am

I'm out of baby puns so I'm just gonna' toddle off. bbiab

128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:22:18am

re: #112 orangutan

The sweater thing is something he takes a bunch of shit for. It is the only thing I liked that he did.

I say it at my house. "Dad, it's cold in here!" "Put on a damn sweater!"

It was practical advice.

Now the fact that the energy was fucked up under his watch...well, you know...

129 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:22:35am

re: #121 midwestgak

As long as they are disposable.

I'm a liar.
Mine are made of whole cloth.

130 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:22:48am

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Their optimism is much misplaced.

131 That's Mr. President to you  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:22:52am

Harry called me last night and explained his position.

You see, it will be very difficult for Harry to pack into this bill all of the vital additions that he and other Democrat Senators need. For example, real estate in Las Vegas is depressed these days and it is getting harder for Harry to make land deals by getting the laws changed. So he is looking into manipulating water rights off of the Colorado River. Well that is a little more complicated and needs to be worked out before it can be stuffed into "solving our latest emergency" (as Rahm like to put it).

So Harry and his fellow Democartic Senators will have extra time to engineer additional appropriations and slide them into the bill in conference committee after the summer recess.

Completely understandable.

Meanwhile, Rahm and I will try and figure out what our next national emergency needs to be - one that can carry our buddies through next winter. Maybe an asteroid defense system.

132 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:22:52am

re: #86 WinterCat

Oh, you want to Play? Pen your next pun.

Be have or I'll put you all down for a nappie!

133 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:22:57am

re: #123 subsailor68

That's about the size of it.

134 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:23:04am

re: #123 subsailor68
You sure cleaned that up..but pretty much yes..there are 5 versions of the bill..the one the make the democrats look least bad and yet still take the most cash from the rubes, wins.

135 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:23:08am

Part of a mass-email I just received. Can you guess who it's from?

My Friend,

Last week, I sent you an email asking for your voice on healthcare through Country First's Future of America's Healthcare Survey. I'm happy to tell you that over 30,000 people have filled out the survey online in less than a week. I'd like to share some of the early results:
90% of survey respondents believe America's healthcare system is the finest in the world, but still needs some reform.

80% of survey respondents believe the Federal Government should have no role at all in deciding an individual's healthcare.

91% of survey respondents do not believe the Federal Government should force all employers, no matter how small, to provide health benefits to all employees.

As you know, right now, President Obama, Democrats in Congress, powerful special interests and influential lobbyists are hard at work in Washington, D.C. trying to drastically change our current health care system. They seek to replace it with a nationalized system where the politicians and government officials will dictate the kind of medical services you and your family receive and the rules under which you access care and coverage.

136 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:24:02am

re: #4 quiet man

Waterloo..water looo
where were you
at waterloo...

Belgium, dammit. Oh, Belgium. /

137 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:24:22am

re: #110 MandyManners

I can barely keep it bottled up.

You are getting warmer.

138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:24:23am

re: #131 That's Mr. President to you

I love your posts. Just don't know which way to ding them.

139 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:24:33am

re: #132 DaddyG

Be have or I'll put you all down for a nappie!

Hey, time out.

140 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:24:57am

re: #136 calcajun

Nice place to get chocolate.

141 Wendya  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:24:58am

re: #135 Pianobuff

Part of a mass-email I just received. Can you guess who it's from?

Still campaigning, is he?

142 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:25:28am

There was some talk on the news this AM about making the Congress stick around in August to hash this around. If BHO tries to bully Congress into doing this and fails, he is really flirting with losing any semblance of control.

143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:25:34am

re: #135 Pianobuff

Instead of saying "My Friend", could you just drag your fingernails down a chalkboard?

144 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:25:43am

re: #137 WinterCat

You are getting warmer.

I think she left for a moment -- probably going to take a wrist.

145 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:26:47am

re: #123 subsailor68

Am I correct in understanding that there are two versions, one in the House, and the other in the Senate?


Note quite. There were 3 house versions (from different committees) and they may have merged two into one. There is a bill on the Senate side coming out of a senate committeee but it hasn't gone thru finance committee yet - technically then no bill on the senate side

clear as mud yes?

146 rwmofo  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:26:49am

Well as long as they're at "recess" at least they won't be passing any stupid bills.

147 opnion  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:27:15am

re: #115 Killgore Trout

OT: An interesting Pew poll...
Confidence in Obama Lifts U.S. Image Around the World


Take note of the support for suicide bombings, Bush vs Obama vs Bin Laden. The trends on international economic confidence are interesting too.

Hmmm, wonder if they see Obama as a sign of American demise & they like that?

148 cronus  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:27:37am

OT: The wheels are falling off on more than just health care "reform".

Democrats raise concerns about Barbara Boxer handling climate bill

149 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:27:54am

re: #146 rwmofo

Well as long as they're at "recess" at least they won't be passing any stupid bills.

I love Congressional recesses.

150 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:28:06am

re: #146 rwmofo

Well as long as they're at "recess" at least they won't be passing any stupid bills.

Is it me, or is the country really safer when Congress is not in Washington?

151 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:28:08am

I'm going to take a stroller down to the park.

152 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:28:22am

re: #108 opnion

The wheels are getting wobbly. If Obama doesn't get this he will really lose cred with the public & the Congress.
Emmauel & that group I am sure are digging up dirt on the Blue Dogs.

Yeah, but if they flip the Blue Dogs, or put out a bunch of dirt on them, those districts will go back to R in the next election. But maybe the Chicago crowd can't think that many moves ahead.

153 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:29:23am

re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The sweater thing is something he takes a bunch of shit for. It is the only thing I liked that he did.

I say it at my house. "Dad, it's cold in here!" "Put on a damn sweater!"

It was practical advice.

Now the fact that the energy was fucked up under his watch...well, you know...

Have you inflated your tires yet?

154 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:29:25am

re: #148 cronus

OT: The wheels are falling off on more than just health care "reform".

Democrats raise concerns about Barbara Boxer handling climate bill

Anyone besides, Fox, Miller, etc. covering Boxer's hearing performance with the head of the Black Chamber of Commerce?

155 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:29:29am

re: #1 SasquatchOnSteroids

Maybe there will be enough time to read it now.
One can only hope.

Even better- bloggers should read it and give it the exposure it deserves.

156 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:29:31am

re: #110 MandyManners

I can barely keep it bottled up.

Does somebody need a hug(gies)?

157 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:29:44am

re: #111 MandyManners

I was wondering if he'd flipped his lid.

No, my comments above the "I don't have a dog in the fight" comment were sort of a set up for making the satirical one.

Mini-Evil-Me :)

158 Athos  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:29:45am

New Fox News Opinion Dynamics Poll being discussed on FNC -

Interesting item regarding health care bill - 74% of those earning under $50K and 84% of those earning over $50K believe that their taxes will increase if Obama's healthcare bill passes.

That will not bode well as members of Congress return home during the August break will get an earful from many over the costs and expenditures.

159 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:29:54am

re: #144 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I think she left for a moment -- probably going to take a wrist.

Don't you guys think it's a wee bit early for these baby pun. I mean you guys are getting so anal with this it's upping the temperature.

160 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:29:56am

re: #152 Son of the Black Dog

Yeah, but if they flip the Blue Dogs, or put out a bunch of dirt on them, those districts will go back to R in the next election. But maybe the Chicago crowd can't think that many moves ahead.

This is the off-year. The strategy is for all sort of nastiness to get rammed through this year and hope the voters don't remember it come next November.

161 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:30:47am

re: #157 Walter L. Newton

No, my comments above the "I don't have a dog in the fight" comment were sort of a set up for making the satirical one.

Mini-Evil-Me :)

I was there Walter...pretty funny

162 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:30:49am

Betsy McCaughey's site - Defend Your Health Care - dissects the garbage.
[Link: www.defendyourhealthcare.us...]

The best government is a government in recess.

163 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:31:08am

re: #159 turn

Don't you guys think it's a wee bit early for these baby pun. I mean you guys are getting so anal with this it's upping the temperature.

Well, some left the door apgar and made such puns conceivable.

164 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:31:51am

OT Oh come on! On FOX. Obama speaking at a town hall healthcare "debate" in Ohio.

165 Beach Lover  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:31:54am

I think we are witnessing the smallest glimmer of hope for the good guys today!

166 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:32:39am

re: #161 albusteve

I was there Walter...pretty funny

Then where's my up ding ranger?

167 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:32:39am

re: #164 midwestgak

OT Oh come on! On FOX. Obama speaking at a town hall healthcare "debate" in Ohio.

Like the movie The Truma Show. On TV 24/7. P U

168 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:33:06am

re: #158 Athos

New Fox News Opinion Dynamics Poll being discussed on FNC -

Interesting item regarding health care bill - 74% of those earning under $50K and 84% of those earning over $50K believe that their taxes will increase if Obama's healthcare bill passes.

That will not bode well as members of Congress return home during the August break will get an earful from many over the costs and expenditures.

We've never liked unfair taxation, and we never will. And it just might be the deeply ingrained American sense of not liking taxes that could save this Republic.

169 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:33:11am

Watching Obama... He had to look at his notes to say "Hello Shaker Heights"

170 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:33:15am

re: #164 midwestgak

OT Oh come on! On FOX. Obama speaking at a town hall healthcare "debate" in Ohio.

Let's see how many Democrat operatives they were able to bus in to talk about how bad their health care is...

171 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:33:20am

re: #163 calcajun

Well, some left the door apgar and made such puns conceivable.

Isn't that apgar the gooey stuff, gaw I can't remember.

172 subsailor68  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:33:22am

re: #145 wahabicorridor

Note quite. There were 3 house versions (from different committees) and they may have merged two into one. There is a bill on the Senate side coming out of a senate committeee but it hasn't gone thru finance committee yet - technically then no bill on the senate side

clear as mud yes?

Ah! Thanks! So, are you saying that the versions from Ways and Means and Education and Labor may have been merged, with only Energy and Commerce's piece left? That makes sense, and I'd assume the output of Energy and Commerce would be folded in eventually. And nothing in the Senate until it goes through Finance.

A wee bit muddy perhaps, but I think I get it. Thanks again!

173 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:33:37am
174 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:34:46am

re: #159 turn

Don't you guys think it's a wee bit early for these baby pun. I mean you guys are getting so anal with this it's upping the temperature.

As a potential SuperFund site, the diaper pails in significance to NOTHING!

175 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:34:51am

re: #168 Sharmuta

what domthe people making 50k think about it and why were they exempt??

176 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:35:03am

re: #164 midwestgak

OT Oh come on! On FOX. Obama speaking at a town hall healthcare "debate" in Ohio.

Infomercial.

177 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:35:11am

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

Then where's my up ding ranger?

I'm dingless...but my words are far more valuable anyway

178 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:35:22am

re: #158 Athos

New Fox News Opinion Dynamics Poll being discussed on FNC -

Interesting item regarding health care bill - 74% of those earning under $50K and 84% of those earning over $50K believe that their taxes will increase if Obama's healthcare bill passes.

That will not bode well as members of Congress return home during the August break will get an earful from many over the costs and expenditures.

Not sure if it was in the same poll or not, but another poster (yesterday I believe) shared a Fox opinion poll. Paraphrased, it basically said that 24% of the public believes that the Fed Gov has its own money stash separate and outside of what they get from taxpayers. I know I have it worded wrong, but that's the gist of it.

That was stunning as well as depressing. How does one fight that?

179 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:35:46am

Is Obama just repeating the speech he gave last night again. Doesn't he think Shaker Heights has TV?

180 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:36:18am

OT: 4 f-16's just buzzed my office. USAF Thunderbirds are in town. What a fucking rush. Its that sound. You can hear them well before you can see them. I can see them from my office window turning around after their practice runs along the lake front. Work is over for me today.

181 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:36:26am

re: #174 pre-Boomer Marine brat

As a potential SuperFund site, the diaper pails in significance to NOTHING!

I zinc you are being a fly in the ointment PBMB.

182 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:36:26am

re: #173 buzzsawmonkey

The Truma Show? There's a film about ancient Hebrew sacrificial portions?

heh. Typos seem to be one of my talents.

183 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:36:28am

re: #164 midwestgak

OT Oh come on! On FOX. Obama speaking at a town hall healthcare "debate" in Ohio.

Notice all the elderly people behind him. His people really know how to stage a set.

184 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:37:03am

re: #179 Buck

Is Obama just repeating the speech he gave last night again. Doesn't he think Shaker Heights has TV?

I'd really like to know how they chose the audience

185 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:37:08am

re: #180 Creeping Eruption

There are f-14s buzzing over everyones heads right now!!

ohmigod!!

/laugh

186 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:37:15am

re: #177 albusteve

I'm dingless...but my words are far more valuable anyway

I'm glad you're secure enough in your masculinity to admit that.

187 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:37:19am

re: #164 midwestgak

OT Oh come on! On FOX. Obama speaking at a town hall healthcare "debate" in Ohio.

Debate implies the other side gets to bring up there points and rebut statements made. Obama doesn't work that way.

188 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:37:37am

re: #173 buzzsawmonkey

The Truma Show? There's a film about ancient Hebrew sacrificial portions?

My sir, that is an obscure reference.

189 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:37:56am

re: #183 WinterCat

Notice all the elderly people behind him. His people really know how to stage a set.

Does it look like a Mafia trial ? Oxygen tanks, walkers, nurses at their side in case they keel over ?

190 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:37:58am

Obama's town hall now on Fox. He really is so full of crap. "it took us years to get into this mess..." (Don't blame me.)

191 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:37:58am

re: #186 redstateredneck

Dont let him fool ya..he brings in his dings in a wheelbarrow.

192 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:38:11am

re: #183 WinterCat

Notice all the elderly people behind him. His people really know how to stage a set.

That doesn't take too much stagecraft. What did you expect, dead people?

(I see dead people, and they are racist and stupid)

193 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:38:24am

re: #186 redstateredneck

I'm glad you're secure enough in your masculinity to admit that.

zing!

194 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:38:27am

re: #147 opnion

Hmmm, wonder if they see Obama as a sign of American demise & they like that?

Heh, no. The only people who think America is doomed are American Conservatives and the old Soviet propagandists at Pravda.

195 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:38:38am

re: #189 SasquatchOnSteroids

Does it look like a Mafia trial ? Oxygen tanks, walkers, nurses at their side in case they keel over ?

No, but if there is anyone under 60 in the audience, you don't see it.

196 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:38:38am

re: #187 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Debate implies the other side gets to bring up there points and rebut statements made. Obama doesn't work that way.

Exactly, hence "debate" is in quotes.

197 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:38:38am

re: #180 Creeping Eruption

OT: 4 f-16's just buzzed my office. USAF Thunderbirds are in town. What a fucking rush. Its that sound. You can hear them well before you can see them. I can see them from my office window turning around after their practice runs along the lake front. Work is over for me today.

When the airshow is at Miramar, the Blue Angels fly over my office--very low and very fast. All the car alarms on the street go off. Pretty funny.

198 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:39:09am

re: #186 redstateredneck

LOL

199 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:39:13am

re: #192 Walter L. Newton

That doesn't take too much stagecraft. What did you expect, dead people?

(I see dead people, and they are racist and stupid)

No, dead people only show up during the elections.

200 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:39:17am

re: #185 quiet man

There are f-14s buzzing over everyones heads right now!!

ohmigod!!

/laugh

Relax--it not like they're black helicopters--those you don't hear.

201 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:39:20am

The AMA endorsed Obama's heath care reform, so he expressed his gratitude by attacking doctors as unnecessarily driving up costs at his press conference last night.

202 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:39:31am

Well, there should be no shortage of unemployed people in Ohio to attend a Town Hall meeting in the middle of the day.
Wake up, peeps! He's the reason you're unemployed.

203 rain of lead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:39:37am

folks this health care bill is not dead, it is only mostly dead and mostly
dead is a little bit alive.

make the calls and let your reps know how you feel.

"princess bride has a qoute for anything"

204 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:39:47am

re: #148 cronus

OT: The wheels are falling off on more than just health care "reform".

Democrats raise concerns about Barbara Boxer handling climate bill

I'll vouch for her personal style - working with her office is a bloody nightmare.

205 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:39:49am

I just checked DU. Heads are exploding there! Exploding!

206 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:39:53am
207 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:40:10am

If you have health insurance the reform ... will give you more security.

208 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:40:13am
209 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:40:13am

re: #197 calcajun

When the airshow is at Miramar, the Blue Angels fly over my office--very low and very fast. All the car alarms on the street go off. Pretty funny.

I must say the birds of downtown are not quite sure to make of it. Lots of bird unrest right now. Wait till the show actually starts this weekend and they are flying 3 times as low and twice as fast. LOL

210 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:40:18am

re: #194 Killgore Trout

Heh, no. The only people who think America is doomed are American Conservatives and the old Soviet propagandists at Pravda.

I'm leaving the country...for EVER!

211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:40:42am

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

Then where's my up ding ranger?

Steve's the anti-dinger.

212 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:40:45am

re: #174 pre-Boomer Marine brat

As a potential SuperFund site, the diaper pails in significance to NOTHING!

I do not like the potential desitination of these puns.

213 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:40:45am

re: #193 albusteve

zing!

"You ain't got a ding, but you still got that zing..."

214 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:40:50am

re: #181 turn

I zinc you are being a fly in the ointment PBMB.

I'm pooped.
It's time for a change.

215 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:41:08am

re: #177 albusteve

I'm dingless...but my words are far more valuable anyway

They have meds for that now.

216 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:41:09am
217 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:41:19am

re: #203 rain of lead

folks this health care bill is not dead, it is only mostly dead and mostly
dead is a little bit alive.

make the calls and let your reps know how you feel.

"princess bride has a qoute for anything"

RoL ... do you have the same Blue Dog? if so, call his office now ... I have been calling all week and they are getting slammed good ... I just got off the phone again with his office a few minutes ago to find out what his calendar is like in August and asked if he is going to do any meetings on the subject ... they don't know yet ... of course ...

218 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:41:21am

Obama just assured everyone that we won't have to worry about a suprise bill in the mail with his plan. Except your tax bill, of course.

219 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:41:32am

re: #203 rain of lead

folks this health care bill is not dead, it is only mostly dead and mostly
dead is a little bit alive.

make the calls and let your reps know how you feel.

"princess bride has a qoute for anything"

"Do take care of yourself. If you haven't got your health, you haven't got anything."

220 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:41:37am
221 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:41:38am

re: #215 MandyManners

you might nursery him out of it

222 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:41:42am

Remember, this is about health care financing reform, not about health care reform per se.

223 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:41:44am

re: #205 Mad Al-Jaffee

I just checked DU. Heads are exploding there! Exploding!

Don't worry, nothing really flys out when that happens.

224 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:41:46am

re: #205 Mad Al-Jaffee

I just checked DU. Heads are exploding there! Exploding!

ooo, tell us more!

225 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:41:54am

My goodness the man loves a camera and to hear his own voice.

226 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:41:55am

re: #208 buzzsawmonkey

Is it like a fireworks display?

Probably more like pimples popping.
/sorry.

227 debutaunt  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:42:02am

re: #184 wahabicorridor

I'd really like to know how they chose the audience

Randomly - hahahahhahahahahahaa

228 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:42:08am

re: #194 Killgore Trout

Heh, no. The only people who think America is doomed are American Conservatives and the old Soviet propagandists at Pravda.

I gotta run, but I have faith in AMERICA. Not the pointy headed asshats in Washington.

229 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:42:24am

re: #210 albusteve

I'm leaving the country...for EVER!

I'm still willing to be a grounds keeper. I'm lazy and I drink but I work cheap and don't take up much space. Just a hammock and a refrigerated keg is all I'll need for accommodations.

230 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:42:31am

re: #225 MandyManners

My goodness the man loves a camera and to hear his own voice.

The never ending campaign.

231 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:42:31am

Looks like Congress is going home for recess after all.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday that the House can go home for its August recess without passing a massive overhaul.

Pelosi dismissed concerns expressed by many Democrats that a monthlong delay could give opponents more chances to rally opposition to the bill.

"I'm not afraid of August," Pelosi said. "It's a month."

That is different from what she said Wednesday and contradicts one of her fellow Democratic House leaders. On Wednesday, Pelosi had indicated that she supported staying into August, saying, "70 percent of the American people would want that."

As the bill has bogged down in the Energy and Commerce Committee, the July 31 deadline for passing the bill has seemed increasingly more difficult to meet. Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) have promised lawmakers two days to read the final bill, so it must get out of the committee by Wednesday.

The committee again delayed its markup Thursday. The committee hasn't met since Monday.

Hoyer has said he didn't see the need to keep lawmakers in session if Democrats haven't reached consensus.

But shortly before Pelosi's news conference, House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.), the No. 3 Democrat in the House, said the House should "postpone, if not cancel, our August recess" until the healthcare bill is passed.

"If we leave here without doing this, nobody is going to interpret that we're going home to listen," Clyburn said. "They'll say we're going on vacation without having done it."

Blue Dogs on the Energy and Commerce Committee have threatened to block the bill, saying it doesn’t do enough to cut healthcare costs and puts too heavy a burden on employers. And even if the Blue Dogs' concerns are assuaged, there are still looming problems with the tax on the wealthy to pay for it and objections by rural members who feel Medicare shortchanges their physicians and hospitals.

Pelosi reiterated Thursday her belief that she has enough votes to pass the bill. Democratic opponents of the current bill said it is nowhere close to having the votes to pass on the House floor. But she stood by her vote count Thursday.

"I'm more confident than ever," Pelosi said. "I stand by my statement."

232 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:42:36am

re: #221 quiet man

you might nursery him out of it

This is no lactating matter!

233 cronus  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:42:41am

re: #204 wahabicorridor

I'll vouch for her personal style - working with her office is a bloody nightmare.

Cap & Tax is combustible enough on its own. Having Boxer in the drivers seat brings an already low hanging fruit for Republicans down to ground level.

234 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:42:46am

re: #190 WinterCat

Obama's town hall now on Fox. He really is so full of crap. "it took us years to get into this mess..." (Don't blame me.)

What mess? Most of the so called "mess" is part of the private health industry, not the government, not government expenditures. The government already control payments through Medicaid and Medicare, so, what part of this is HIS problem.

In plain simple language, Obama should be saying that he doesn't like the way the private health care business is run and he want's to nationalize it.

Because that's the truth.

Now, if the government wants to look at the over all cost of health care and make suggestions, maybe even some laws that would help prevent the health care industry from actually ripping their "customers" off, then that may fly, on both side of the aisle.

But otherwise, Obama, stay out of private business.

235 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:42:48am

re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Steve's the anti-dinger.

the epitome of fainess

236 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:42:49am

re: #216 Iron Fist

When I was a kid I did some work clearing land, among other places, near Shaw Air Force Base. We had all kinds of aircraft (fighter aircraft) come over just above the tree tops. Every day was a different air show. It was fun :-)

There's nothing like having an F-4 on full afterburner, doing a touch 'n go over your head. Been there.

237 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:42:49am

re: #221 quiet man

you might nursery him out of it

I ain't touching it with a 10-foot forceps.

238 jaunte  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:42:49am

re: #218 WinterCat

Obama just assured everyone that we won't have to worry about a suprise bill in the mail with his plan. Except your tax bill, of course.

"You will all get the bill, and that will be no surprise."

239 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:43:03am

re: #173 buzzsawmonkey

Teruah

240 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:43:12am

re: #194 Killgore Trout

Heh, no. The only people who think America is doomed are American Conservatives and the old Soviet propagandists at Pravda.

Oh- I'm optimistic, so long as we kick the kooks to the curb.

241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:43:19am

re: #235 albusteve

the epitome of fainess

IRONY! (i dinged you)!

242 quiet man  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:43:22am

re: #232 calcajun
I think you are just riding the swell and clipping the clevage

243 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:43:23am

re: #205 Mad Al-Jaffee

I just checked DU. Heads are exploding there! Exploding!

About the Obamacare delay?

244 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:43:26am

re: #214 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm pooped.
It's time for a change.

Yeah, let's wipe this off.

245 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:43:28am

re: #206 buzzsawmonkey

I could not let it go by. When would I next get such an opportunity?

Look out, people will start referring to you T'ahor for updings.

246 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:43:31am

Paraphrasing: We were handed a deficit when we walked in the door and we added to it in order to stabilize the economy. OMG

247 debutaunt  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:43:40am

re: #188 Alouette

My sir, that is an obscure reference.

I just watched A Stranger Among Us, so I got it.

248 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:43:41am

re: #231 Pianobuff

Good news-- Nancy is on vacation for a month.

Bad News--she's coming here to California.

249 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:43:43am

Lots of giant Buddhas...
12 highest statues in the world

250 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:43:45am

smoke break - brb

251 subsailor68  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:43:57am

re: #178 Pianobuff

Not sure if it was in the same poll or not, but another poster (yesterday I believe) shared a Fox opinion poll. Paraphrased, it basically said that 24% of the public believes that the Fed Gov has its own money stash separate and outside of what they get from taxpayers. I know I have it worded wrong, but that's the gist of it.

That was stunning as well as depressing. How does one fight that?

Hi Pianobuff!! What's really depressing is that they're not completely wrong, but just wrong about being partially right. The government has three main ways of generating revenue: taxation, selling securities like t-bills (think China for example), and printing money (but think inflation there).

Course' - as we all know - they've got the "money stash" part completely wrong, since congresscritters spend it as fast as they can find it.

;-)

252 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:44:03am

The truth is I AM NOW PRESIDENT. -- direct quote

253 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:44:14am

re: #244 turn

Yeah, let's wipe this off.

You are Desitined for greatness with puns like that.

254 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:44:31am

re: #216 Iron Fist

When I was a kid I did some work clearing land, among other places, near Shaw Air Force Base. We had all kinds of aircraft (fighter aircraft) come over just above the tree tops. Every day was a different air show. It was fun :-)

I saw a P51 at the Lincoln Airport yesterday, man are those things loud.

255 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:44:34am

re: #237 MandyManners

I ain't touching it with a 10-foot forceps.

But it could be his crowing achievement.

256 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:44:40am

re: #205 Mad Al-Jaffee

About?

257 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:44:45am
258 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:44:49am

Must . turn . him . off

259 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:44:54am

re: #231 Pianobuff

"I'm more confident than ever," Pelosi said. "I stand by my statement backhoe. Oh, watch your step, there's a hole there..."

260 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:45:04am

re: #194 Killgore Trout

Heh, no. The only people who think America is doomed are American Conservatives and the old Soviet propagandists at Pravda.

There you go with your all inclusive statements again, painting conservatives with a wide brush. Do me a favor, speak for YOURSELF, not me or anyone else here. You have been asked and called on this MANY times, but you seem to refuse to make rational comments and continue to try to set up straw men. It's not working. I do not agree with you statement above.

261 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:45:06am

re: #253 SasquatchOnSteroids

You are Desitined for greatness with puns like that.

hah--beat you to it. You were rash to make that one!

262 cronus  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:45:13am

re: #249 Killgore Trout

Lots of giant Buddhas...
12 highest statues in the world

Don't show this to the Taliban

263 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:45:20am

re: #251 subsailor68

Hi Pianobuff!! What's really depressing is that they're not completely wrong, but just wrong about being partially right. The government has three main ways of generating revenue: taxation, selling securities like t-bills (think China for example), and printing money (but think inflation there).

Course' - as we all know - they've got the "money stash" part completely wrong, since congresscritters spend it as fast as they can find it.

;-)

Well, all three come from taxpayers... just a matter of timing and mechanisms.

264 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:45:24am

Beginning . to . lose . consciousness . . .

265 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:45:47am

re: #82 SixDegrees

Having a substantive agenda would certainly help. But regarding the delay in the health care bill, they ought to take advantage of the time to publicize the hell out of it - analyze every page, and get the word out about the massive amounts of partisan cruft it has attached to it, along with the costs and loss of quality it will put in place if passed.

Also - keep an eye on the House. They are mulling staying over their recess to continue ramming their version of the bill through, at a time when lots of DC reporters will have scheduled vacations to coincide with the traditional break. It needs to be delayed in the House, too, to the extent possible, and the same treatment needs to be applied - a skeptical, public examination conducted in excrutiating detail.

This is where bloggers could step up to fill the gap. Sunlight doesn't have to come from DC reporters.

266 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:46:05am

re: #247 debutaunt

I just watched A Stranger Among Us, so I got it.

How'd you like it?
(It's one of my favorites!)

267 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:46:06am

re: #264 WinterCat

Beginning . to . lose . consciousness . . .

Loosen. tie. Drop . pants .

268 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:46:08am

re: #180 Creeping Eruption

OT: 4 f-16's just buzzed my office. USAF Thunderbirds are in town. What a fucking rush. Its that sound. You can hear them well before you can see them. I can see them from my office window turning around after their practice runs along the lake front. Work is over for me today.

If you have an industrial laser handy you can arrange to meet lots of AF security and the FBI agents. //

269 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:46:10am

Obama's style of speaking, teleprompters aside, has changed. He has developed a "yelling" style. Speaks louder and when making a point he bobs his head to add additional emphasis to his point. Reminds me of a past foreign leader, whose name shall not be uttered.

"I mean what I say." Obama just said that. Again.

Now I believe him.///

270 Wendya  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:46:20am

re: #190 WinterCat

Obama's town hall now on Fox. He really is so full of crap. "it took us years to get into this mess..." (Don't blame me.)

The AP ran a fact check on Obama's appearance last night.

OBAMA: "You haven't seen me out there blaming the Republicans."

THE FACTS: Obama did so in his opening statement, saying, "I've heard that one Republican strategist told his party that even though they may want to compromise, it's better politics to 'go for the kill.' Another Republican senator said that defeating health reform is about 'breaking' me."

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I guess they'll claim the AP is a right-wing organization now.

271 rain of lead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:46:32am

I have seen reports of three states that have done universal health
care that went down in flames

Tennessee- Tenncare
Hawaii - keiki care
Maine - (some weird latin name)

do any other lizards know of other states that have tried their own version
of this and failed?

272 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:46:38am
273 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:46:50am

re: #231 Pianobuff

But shortly before Pelosi's news conference, House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.), the No. 3 Democrat in the House, said the House should "postpone, if not cancel, our August recess" until the healthcare bill is passed.

"If we leave here without doing this, nobody is going to interpret that we're going home to listen," Clyburn said. "They'll say we're going on vacation without having done it."

Because we all know if they were actually listening, then they wouldn't be trying to pass this shit in the first place

274 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:46:54am

re: #223 turn

Don't worry, nothing really flys out when that happens.


But the amount of hot air added to the environment... /

275 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:46:58am

re: #229 Killgore Trout

I'm still willing to be a grounds keeper. I'm lazy and I drink but I work cheap and don't take up much space. Just a hammock and a refrigerated keg is all I'll need for accommodations.

laziness is a requirement, so you'll need a laundry girl

276 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:47:14am

re: #262 cronus

It's pretty much all Buddhas and a few old Soviet things. I wonder why other people aren't building more giant statues.

277 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:47:15am

re: #259 wrenchwench

Did you notice this comment from Pelosi?
* "I'm not afraid of August," Pelosi said. "It's a month."

Something about that just read very comical to me. Sort of like the G8 guys making that joint statement committing to guard the global thermostat.

278 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:47:32am

re: #267 calcajun

Loosen. tie. Drop . pants .

I felt compelled to give you a ding to go along with that post.

279 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:47:38am

He's the frickin' President, but he still don't know nuthin' 'bout birthin' no babies.

280 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:47:47am

re: #256 Kenneth

About Reid betraying his party.

281 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:47:59am

re: #267 calcajun

Loosen. tie. Drop . pants .

I . am . female ... not . going . to . do . that .
lol

282 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:48:10am

re: #272 buzzsawmonkey

Statue of Liberty didn't make the list either.

283 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:48:22am

re: #269 midwestgak

Obama's style of speaking, teleprompters aside, has changed. He has developed a "yelling" style. Speaks louder and when making a point he bobs his head to add additional emphasis to his point. Reminds me of a past foreign leader, whose name shall not be uttered.

"I mean what I say." Obama just said that. Again.

Now I believe him.///


He's getting in touch with his inner preacher.

284 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:48:27am
285 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:48:35am

re: #267 calcajun

Loosen. tie. Drop . pants .

Cant...speak...just...fragments...phrases...like...pie

286 subsailor68  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:48:43am

re: #263 Pianobuff

Well, all three come from taxpayers... just a matter of timing and mechanisms.

Heh, heh, absolutely. That's what I meant about them being partially right, but for the wrong reasons. In the end, of course, we all pay.

287 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:48:50am
288 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:49:02am

re: #230 WinterCat

The never ending campaign revolution.

289 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:49:46am

re: #253 SasquatchOnSteroids

You are Desitined for greatness with puns like that.

I'm coming ups with a rash of these today for sure. Dang I thought of a good Mexican food pun on the way home yesterday. I hate eating cold Mexican food, burr while you itto.

290 Capitalistincharge  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:49:48am

Ok, I've had all I can take. The straw just broke my camel's back, so to speak. Obama is speaking on Fox and his blaming of the past administration is over the top. He just reinterated that he's the president now. Folks, this guy is dangerous. He lies and does not worry about the media exposing them. He just keeps repeating these lies and knows that enough of the people will start to believe him.
In 50 years, I don't ever recall a President constantly saying "I'm the President Now" or "I won". Or calling the White House "my house".

291 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:49:50am

re: #287 Iron Fist

Looks like we are going to get a month to rally opposition to the President's Socialistic overhaul (I refuse to call it reform from here on) of health care. We need to get busy.

People need to know what they are getting.

292 debutaunt  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:49:55am

re: #266 pre-Boomer Marine brat

How'd you like it?
(It's one of my favorites!)

Terrific. I loved the scene near the end when he saw Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers on TV and had no idea who they were, but he recognized the romance displayed.

293 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:50:08am

re: #257 buzzsawmonkey

Whoring for updings? I'm in the zonah!

Thought that was Ben . . .

294 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:50:09am

re: #252 WinterCat

The truth is I AM NOW PRESIDENT. -- direct quote

He actually said that?

295 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:50:14am

Ah, I see our President went to the William Shatner School of Acting.

296 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:50:30am

re: #255 calcajun

But it could be his crowing achievement.

What are you trying to stirrup?

297 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:50:45am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

It's pretty much all Buddhas and a few old Soviet things. I wonder why other people aren't building more giant statues.

Just wait for the Obama monument.

298 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:51:10am

re: #296 turn

What are you trying to stirrup?

Nothing. I'm just dilated be here.

299 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:51:13am

re: #280 Mad Al-Jaffee

so they're cool with Reid betraying is country, but not the Party. Got it.

300 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:51:27am

re: #284 buzzsawmonkey

If the statues are being graded by height rather than elevation, what about the Statue of Liberty? Not to mention some of the Egyptian stuff littering the desert up around Abu Simbel?

Statue of Liberty is only 151 feet tall if you take out the pedestal.

301 rain of lead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:51:37am

lunch break is over
back to work

later guys

302 Wendya  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:51:42am

re: #294 MandyManners

He actually said that?

Obama is monumentally insecure.

303 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:51:51am

Let's see...we're going to force insurers to cover anyone who applies, for whatever pre-existing condition they may already have, and simultaneously force them to cut premiums.

Yeah...that's going to work...

304 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:51:55am

re: #290 Capitalistincharge

Ok, I've had all I can take. The straw just broke my camel's back, so to speak. Obama is speaking on Fox and his blaming of the past administration is over the top. He just reinterated that he's the president now. Folks, this guy is dangerous. He lies and does not worry about the media exposing them. He just keeps repeating these lies and knows that enough of the people will start to believe him.
In 50 years, I don't ever recall a President constantly saying "I'm the President Now" or "I won". Or calling the White House "my house".

It is difficult to watch. The man speaks with forked tongue.

305 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:51:57am

re: #297 redstateredneck

Just wait for the Obama monument.

photoshop?...haha!

306 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:51:58am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Statue of Liberty didn't make the list either.

"The Statue of Liberty is kaput!"

307 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:51:58am

we are lucky that o didn't push his socialized H.C. scam in the first week of his presidency. or he might have been able to ram it thru.
i hope this is the beginning of the end of his power and sway over america.

he has been allowed to run amok for too long.

308 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:52:05am

re: #200 calcajun

Relax--it not like they're black helicopters--those you don't hear.

It's not like the old days with the Huey's when you knew they were coming to Whoop Whoop Whoop your ass.

309 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:52:10am

LGF is in the crosshairs again at Free Republic, this time over yesterday's Nirther blog story:
Nirthblogger Promotes Revolution

One of these masterminds refers to Charles as a "pseudo libertarian pansy ass." Appropriately enough, this person's nic is "pissant."

310 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:52:12am

re: #271 rain of lead

I have seen reports of three states that have done universal health
care that went down in flames

Tennessee- Tenncare
Hawaii - keiki care
Maine - (some weird latin name)

do any other lizards know of other states that have tried their own version
of this and failed?

Massachussetts in on its way...

311 ladycatnip  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:52:19am

Found this for a good laugh at Don Surber's blog: You're going to destroy my presidency!"

312 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:52:29am

re: #295 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Ah, I see our President went to the William Shatner School of Acting.

Did you ever see him in Devil's Rain?

313 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:52:30am

re: #290 Capitalistincharge

Ok, I've had all I can take. The straw just broke my camel's back, so to speak. Obama is speaking on Fox and his blaming of the past administration is over the top. He just reinterated that he's the president now. Folks, this guy is dangerous. He lies and does not worry about the media exposing them. He just keeps repeating these lies and knows that enough of the people will start to believe him.
In 50 years, I don't ever recall a President constantly saying "I'm the President Now" or "I won". Or calling the White House "my house".

Not in public, anyway.

314 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:52:36am

re: #292 debutaunt

Terrific. I loved the scene near the end when he saw Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers on TV and had no idea who they were, but he recognized the romance displayed.

Yeah. There are so many little moments, all the way through!

315 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:53:15am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Statue of Liberty didn't make the list either.

The actual statue part of the Statue of Liberty (not counting the arm) is only 111.5 feet tall.

Fun facts

/as opposed to not-fun facts, I guess

316 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:53:22am

re: #296 turn

What are you trying to stirrup?

How else is a pun born?

317 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:53:22am

re: #294 MandyManners

He actually said that?

You. No sarc tag. Good one.

318 subsailor68  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:53:26am

re: #290 Capitalistincharge

Hi Cap! In 50 years, I don't ever recall a President constantly saying "I'm the President Now" or "I won". Or calling the White House "my house".

I caught last night as well. So did my wife. I just sat there open-mouthed. She started "Why you arrogant..." and I can't print any more of her statement after that.

319 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:53:29am

re: #222 quickjustice

Remember, this is about health care financing reform, not about health care reform per se.

One affects the other... a distinction without a difference.

320 debutaunt  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:53:44am

re: #300 Killgore Trout

Statue of Liberty is only 151 feet tall if you take out the pedestal.

Even shorter if you remove the liberty.

321 cronus  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:53:59am

OT: Vomit Alert

Weekly Standard quotes WaPo's Tom Shales:

Though polls show his popularity in slight decline, Obama did nothing at the news conference -- other than preempt or delay some prime-time shows -- that would seem potentially harmful to his image. About the most justifiable criticism that could likely be made: "Barack Obama still seems too good to be true."
322 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:54:00am

Here are some DU posts about Reid:

Harry Reid is worthless, ineffective and should be removed.


Reid said Republicans, who have shown intense resistance to President Obama’s push for health care reform, had asked for more time to work
out a package.

"We will do what we can to make sure their concerns are not buried," Reid said.

FUCK YOU HARRY REID.

that is all.

Harry Reid is the worst limp noodle in the history of the Democratic Party.
He is such a useless POS.

323 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:54:26am

re: #316 Creeping Eruption

How else is a pun born?

Unless it's blocked.

324 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:54:34am

BBL

(thanks for all the up dings on #78)

325 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:54:36am
326 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:54:38am

just heard rush say pelosi has put off vote until after august.
ha ha ha . i bet her face cracking.

327 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:54:40am

re: #290 Capitalistincharge

Ok, I've had all I can take. The straw just broke my camel's back, so to speak. Obama is speaking on Fox and his blaming of the past administration is over the top. He just reinterated that he's the president now. Folks, this guy is dangerous. He lies and does not worry about the media exposing them. He just keeps repeating these lies and knows that enough of the people will start to believe him.
In 50 years, I don't ever recall a President constantly saying "I'm the President Now" or "I won". Or calling the White House "my house".

I like the way everything is Bush's fault, exclusively. Congress had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Of course, he has to talk that way, because otherwise someone might remember that he was actually in the Senate for Bush's entire second term.

328 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:54:42am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

It's pretty much all Buddhas and a few old Soviet things. I wonder why other people aren't building more giant statues.

Islam, Christianity and Juadism all have a biases or proscriptions against images, i.e. statutes. Those religions and societies will have a bias against giant images. The Catholic church embraced image moreso than most other branches, and you have the Rio statue of Christ from that influence

Western political cultural avoids the cult of personality unlike communism. Most western statues tend to war heroes (I have not counted) and are scaled for the environment they are placed in.

329 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:54:44am

re: #305 albusteve

photoshop?...haha!

Imagine the earspan alone...staggering!

330 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:54:59am

re: #312 WinterCat

Did you ever see him in Devil's Rain?

Negative, before my time. Only time I watch bad B-movies these days is through MST3K reruns.

331 pingjockey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:55:09am

He's in full blown revival mode at the end of this speechifyin'.

332 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:55:14am

re: #298 calcajun

Nothing. I'm just dilated be here.

You pushed that pun out.

333 Wendya  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:55:17am

re: #322 Mad Al-Jaffee

Here are some DU posts about Reid:

Harry Reid is worthless, ineffective and should be removed.

They want single-payer and they want it crammed through regardless of the resulting carnage.

334 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:55:36am

re: #298 calcajun

Nothing. I'm just dilated be here.

I know what you mean. I couldn't breath without LGF, you literally can't push me away. OT, isn't "can't" a contraction?

335 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:55:53am

re: #290 Capitalistincharge

Ok, I've had all I can take. The straw just broke my camel's back, so to speak. Obama is speaking on Fox and his blaming of the past administration is over the top. He just reinterated that he's the president now. Folks, this guy is dangerous. He lies and does not worry about the media exposing them. He just keeps repeating these lies and knows that enough of the people will start to believe him.
In 50 years, I don't ever recall a President constantly saying "I'm the President Now" or "I won". Or calling the White House "my house".

It's going to get worse, CP. He's just warming us up.

A lot worse.

336 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:55:54am

re: #322 Mad Al-Jaffee

Harry Reid is the worst limp noodle in the history of the Democratic Party.
He is such a useless POS.

Wow. I actually agree with somebody on DU

/pigs are flying

337 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:55:54am

re: #322 Mad Al-Jaffee

Here are some DU posts about Reid:

Harry Reid is worthless, ineffective and should be removed.

Pssst, Dems ... he's up for re-election ... THROW THE DINO OUT!

/LOL

338 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:56:04am

re: #308 CyanSnowHawk

It's not like the old days with the Huey's when you knew they were coming to Whoop Whoop Whoop your ass.

I get to see these guys once in a while in NM...tres kewl

Image: File:20080406165033!V-22_Osprey_refueling_edit1.jpg

339 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:56:06am

re: #302 Wendya

Obama is monumentally insecure.

A narcissist is at the core empty and insecure.

340 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:56:15am

re: #303 lobo91

Let's see...we're going to force insurers to cover anyone who applies, for whatever pre-existing condition they may already have, and simultaneously force them to cut premiums.

Yeah...that's going to work...

That was tried in WA state, 10 years ago or so.
Individual policies are still extremely hard to get and very expensive in WA.

341 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:56:27am

re: #294 MandyManners

He actually said that?

He absolutely did.
And he was emphatic about it.

342 Capitalistincharge  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:56:45am

Just blamed the Republicans. Didn't he preface this with I'm not blaming the Republicans. This is basically the same speech as last night but he's got an audience and they are on his side so he appears to be having alot of fun at half of America. Maybe that's what this is: I've never had a President before, that in his speeches insults anyone who does not agree with him. Every damn time I listen to him speak on issues I end up feeling angry and insulted over his personal critisism of conservatives and anyone else who doesn't agree.

343 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:56:50am

re: #334 turn

I know what you mean. I couldn't breath without LGF, you literally can't push me away. OT, isn't "can't" a contraction?

That pun is a crowning achievement.

344 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:57:04am

re: #308 CyanSnowHawk

It's not like the old days with the Huey's when you knew they were coming to Whoop Whoop Whoop your ass.

The loud Wagner recordings didn't exactly help make them stealthier.

/

345 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:57:14am

re: #316 Creeping Eruption

How else is a pun born?

If I jump in on that pun feet first I"m in trouble!

346 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:57:16am
347 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:57:39am

re: #332 MandyManners

You pushed that pun out.

I just want to be the placenta of attention.

348 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:57:49am

re: #339 MandyManners

A narcissist is at the core empty and insecure.

Perhaps if we find his birth certificate it will give him a sense of belonging? //

349 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:57:54am

re: #345 turn

If I jump in on that pun feet first I"m in trouble!

That could be quite a breach to be sure.

350 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:57:55am

re: #344 Occasional Reader

The loud Wagner recordings didn't exactly help make them stealthier.

/

Reference, please. Charlie don't web-surf!

/

351 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:58:04am

re: #322 Mad Al-Jaffee

Here are some DU posts about Reid:

Harry Reid is worthless, ineffective and should be removed.

Like that's something new or different. Everybody knew that 'bout Harry before he became Senate Pro Tempore. He simply has neither the balls or the brains for the sort of arm-twisting needed to herd Blue Dog Dems, while Nancy doesn't know when to stop arm-twisting.

352 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:58:05am

re: #345 turn

If I jump in on that pun feet first I"m in trouble!

I would breach the subject.

353 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:58:15am

re: #343 Mad Al-Jaffee

That pun is a crowning achievement.

I see we're all exchanging the usual placentaries.

354 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:58:16am

re: #327 lobo91

I like the way everything is Bush's fault, exclusively. Congress had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Of course, he has to talk that way, because otherwise someone might remember that he was actually in the Senate for Bush's entire second term.

And the democrats held Congress since 2006.

355 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:58:18am

re: #326 nyc redneck

just heard rush say pelosi has put off vote until after august.
ha ha ha . i bet her face cracking.

and her eyes are blinking as fast as they can

356 ladycatnip  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:58:21am

#290 Capitalistincharge

In 50 years, I don't ever recall a President constantly saying "I'm the President Now" or "I won". Or calling the White House "my house".

I was always taught that if one ever has to assert their authority, i.e., "I'm the parent!", or "I'm the boss!" or "I'm in charge here!" then that person has clearly lost their authority. Parents don't have to remind their children who the parents are. Bosses or managers don't have to remind the employees who's in charge. And certainly the POTUS doesn't need to remind the beleaguered, over-taxed American people who got elected. We know.

The One won.

357 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:58:38am

re: #332 MandyManners

You pushed that pun out.

It was a labor of love, I'm sure.

358 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:59:05am

re: #357 redstateredneck

It was a labor of love, I'm sure.

Once more into the breach!

359 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:59:19am

re: #356 ladycatnip

#290 Capitalistincharge

I was always taught that if one ever has to assert their authority, i.e., "I'm the parent!", or "I'm the boss!" or "I'm in charge here!" then that person has clearly lost their authority. Parents don't have to remind their children who the parents are. Bosses or managers don't have to remind the employees who's in charge. And certainly the POTUS doesn't need to remind the beleaguered, over-taxed American people who got elected. We know.

The One won.

You must respect my authority!
/Eric Cartman

360 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:59:24am

re: #349 Creeping Eruption

That could be quite a breach to be sure.

You beat my #352. I labored to make that post.

361 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:59:29am

re: #347 calcajun

I just want to be the placenta of attention.

Icky but good. So I am updinging you.

362 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:59:32am
363 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:59:38am

re: #341 WinterCat

He absolutely did.
And he was emphatic about it.

He's a throbbing ego with legs.

364 Capitalistincharge  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:59:52am

re: #318 subsailor68

Bless her heart! Probably used the same words as me. My dog's hair almost caught fire. :)

365 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:59:53am

re: #354 WinterCat

And the democrats held Congress since 2006.

Racist!
///

366 JustABill  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:59:53am

re: #203 rain of lead

folks this health care bill is not dead, it is only mostly dead and mostly
dead is a little bit alive.

make the calls and let your reps know how you feel.

"princess bride has a qoute for anything"

UNCONCEIVABLE!

367 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:00:15pm

re: #347 calcajun

I just want to be the placenta of attention.

We know, but you water down your comments.
Give us a break.

/belaboring the point

368 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:00:39pm

re: #342 Capitalistincharge

Just blamed the Republicans. Didn't he preface this with I'm not blaming the Republicans. This is basically the same speech as last night but he's got an audience and they are on his side so he appears to be having alot of fun at half of America. Maybe that's what this is: I've never had a President before, that in his speeches insults anyone who does not agree with him. Every damn time I listen to him speak on issues I end up feeling angry and insulted over his personal critisism of conservatives and anyone else who doesn't agree.

That's what I absolutely loved about the speech last night and today. Last weekend, he says if the Republicans want to give him the economy and all its problems, his reply was "Give it to me." Now? Well, I "inherited" this horrible economy and the Republicans are responsible for every frak-up since.

Not since Lurch have I seen the sort of buck-passing that this man engages in every other hour.

369 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:00:41pm

re: #343 Mad Al-Jaffee

That pun is a crowning achievement.

You're belaboring that mad, it was already used upthread.

370 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:00:54pm

re: #341 WinterCat

He absolutely did.
And he was emphatic about it.

I wonder if he's gonna' take off his shoe and pound the podium.

371 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:01:00pm

re: #328 jcm

Now that I think of it I'm a little surprised Europe didn't make something to make that list. The Colossus comes to mind. You'd think the Romans would have done something huge. The Nazis might have gotten around to it but they ran out of time.

372 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:01:02pm

re: #356 ladycatnip

#290 Capitalistincharge

I was always taught that if one ever has to assert their authority, i.e., "I'm the parent!", or "I'm the boss!" or "I'm in charge here!" then that person has clearly lost their authority. Parents don't have to remind their children who the parents are. Bosses or managers don't have to remind the employees who's in charge. And certainly the POTUS doesn't need to remind the beleaguered, over-taxed American people who got elected. We know.

The One won.

And America lost.

373 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:01:12pm

re: #360 midwestgak

You beat my #352. I labored to make that post.

I am glad you have come to term with your tardy response

374 Athos  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:01:19pm

re: #367 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We know, but you water down your comments.
Give us a break.

/belaboring the point

This has to be the crowning example of punnery.

375 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:01:29pm

re: #369 turn

You're belaboring that mad, it was already used upthread.

Maybe we should abort this.

376 Ay, Caramba  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:01:35pm

Do we really need government run health care? If we can just touch his robe we will be cured.

377 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:01:48pm

re: #362 buzzsawmonkey

Is there a Waffle House nearby?

378 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:01:53pm

Suspected Muslim Honour Killings In Canada


Kingston Police have arrested at least three people in connection with the mysterious deaths of four Montreal women found in a submerged car in Kingston Mills on June 30.

Police sources confirmed the dramatic development in the case yesterday, 22 days after a black Nissan Sentra was found in roughly three metres of water near one of the four locks.

Three teenage sisters were found dead in the car, Zainab Shafi, 19, Sahar, 17, and Geeti, 13, along with a 50-year-old woman, Rona Amir Mohammed.

La Presse newspaper in Montreal said three people who were heading to Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport were arrested yesterday morning.

The newspaper obtained a copy of the e-mail from Masoomi, who lives in Niort, France. She claims she is the sister of Rona Amir Mohammed and she also offered the stunning allegation that the dead woman was the first wife of Mohammed Shafi, the father of the three dead girls.

She provided photos that she claims show Shafi and Mohammed at their wedding in Afghanistan 30 years ago. The couple never divorced.

Masoomi said the marriage has been hidden since the family moved to Canada two years ago.

In interviews after the deaths, Shafi and the woman he presented as his only wife, Tooba Mohammed Yhaya, said Rona Mohammed was a cousin.

379 Athos  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:01:54pm

re: #369 turn

You're belaboring that mad, it was already used upthread.

Damn, just noticed this post. #374 fails.

380 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:02:01pm
381 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:02:03pm

re: #369 turn

You're belaboring that mad, it was already used upthread.

All this talk is just premature.

382 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:02:11pm

Obama is an addict ... he is addicted to applause ... he is getting his "fix" right now ... he cannot help himself ... he cannot ...

383 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:02:11pm

re: #340 jcm

That was tried in WA state, 10 years ago or so.
Individual policies are still extremely hard to get and very expensive in WA.

In what way are they hard to get?

384 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:02:29pm

re: #347 calcajun

I just want to be the placenta of attention.

Pull the rip cord, cajun just gave birth to a great pun.

385 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:02:34pm
386 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:02:35pm

re: #347 calcajun

I just want to be the placenta of attention.

Judging by the number of up-dings, you struck a cord.

387 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:02:43pm

re: #376 Ay, Caramba

Do we really need government run health care? If we can just touch his robe we will be cured.

I think that was actually on that flow chart the Dems are preventing the Republicans from mailing out...

388 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:02:44pm

I see people are trying to GYN up more childbirth puns, but they're having trouble.

389 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:02:44pm

re: #363 MandyManners

He's a throbbing ego with legs.

What a horrible mental picture this has created! I think I must go make a lovely cup of tea and think of something else.

390 subsailor68  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:02:58pm

re: #346 Iron Fist

Gods don't defer to mortals. Ever.

How dare you question the One.

[/Really?]

LOL! Hi Iron! Don't tell my wife that! BTW, a friend gave me an S&W Ladysmith .357 to bring home - to see if the wife would be interested. I figured she'd say no, but she opened up the cute little carrying case, took one look and went "ooohh! When can I try it?" Think I just found her birthday present.

:-)

391 Kaymad  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:02:59pm

How sad! I was really looking forward to liberals enjoying the same healthcare as the VA provides our Vets.

We recently moved across the country and my husband has given up on the VA here, he's been attempting to register with them for weeks and finally said screw it, it's not worth it.

At first they gave him a stack of forms wanting to know things such as how much he earns and what we spend during the month. He is 60 percent disabled and retired from the military, so why in the hell do they need to know all these details??? Every time he goes back he is told something different. Basically they just wore him down until he gave up, so they're pretty good. Crap like this is what is in store for everyone if we get nationalized health care.

392 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:03:11pm

re: #348 DaddyG

Perhaps if we find his birth certificate it will give him a sense of belonging? //

I cannot help but envision a walrus every time I read that word.

393 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:03:23pm

re: #374 Athos

This has to be the crowning example of punnery.

Nice delivery.

394 Dianna  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:04:06pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

Now that I think of it I'm a little surprised Europe didn't make something to make that list. The Colossus comes to mind. You'd think the Romans would have done something huge. The Nazis might have gotten around to it but they ran out of time.

The Romans didn't favor huge statues, much. Some of their friezes do show super-human sized emperors, but are not themselves that large. It just wasn't part of the Roman psyche, some how.

395 Spider Mensch  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:04:09pm

re: #382 JacksonTn

Obama is an addict ... he is addicted to applause ... he is getting his "fix" right now ... he cannot help himself ... he cannot ...

he gives himself a tingle up his own leg...michelle caught him once and smacked him upside the head.

396 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:04:12pm

re: #335 pink freud

It's going to get worse, CP. He's just warming us up.

A lot worse.

i think o will show his ass a lot more too. he is getting rattled and doesn't know how to handle rejection. he will go into full tantrum mode.
but i think o will serve as a wake up call for all americans to get involved and engage in critical thinking. i doubt that, anytime soon, a derelict will get elected to the office of potus just because voters wanted to feel good abt. a historical event.
surely, even the dumbest s.o.b is going to forget that angle after o is done w/ this country.

397 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:04:18pm

re: #357 redstateredneck

It was a labor of love, I'm sure.

Did you have a ripping good time?

398 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:04:21pm

re: #373 Creeping Eruption

I am glad you have come to term with your tardy response

Need some water. Broke my glass.

399 JustABill  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:04:22pm

re: #366 JustABill

UNCONCEIVABLE!

I mean "INCONCEIVABLE" /Epic fail

400 Lincolntf  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:04:26pm

My local newspaper is an absolute joke in that they always manage to avoid the "big" stories when they reflect negatively on Dems in general and Obama in particular. I'm actually looking forward to tomorrow's edition to see how they weasel around his failure on Health Care and his racist spasm from last night.

401 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:04:27pm

re: #380 Iron Fist

Wasn't Tom Cruise going to eat his kid's placenta? I'm more or less pro-recycling (despite the Penn and Teller Bullshit episode on it), but that seems a bit much.

I didn't know that, and didn't need to.

I do recall reading a sci-fi short story many, many years ago, titled (IIRC) "Why Dolphins Don't Bite", which described a man who discovers that telepathic abilities are conferred upon one by eating placenta.

402 opnion  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:05:16pm

re: #152 Son of the Black Dog

Yeah, but if they flip the Blue Dogs, or put out a bunch of dirt on them, those districts will go back to R in the next election. But maybe the Chicago crowd can't think that many moves ahead.

They want the Blue Dogs in line. Apparently BHO thinks that they are ruining his presidency.

403 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:05:27pm

re: #388 Occasional Reader

I see people are trying to GYN up more childbirth puns, but they're having trouble.

Don't be premature in your assessment.

404 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:05:44pm

re: #391 Kaymad
If they aren't the one's causing the difficulty check with your state's Veterans Administration and see if they can advocate for him.

405 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:05:47pm

re: #399 JustABill

I mean "INCONCEIVABLE" /Epic fail

That'll teach you to try to match wits with a Sicilian when death is on the line.

406 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:05:51pm

re: #381 lawhawk

All this talk is just premature.

You are not suggesting we stop are you? Pun-us interruptus is not a favored method of preventing one from conceiving puns.

407 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:05:55pm

bbl

408 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:06:19pm

re: #380 Iron Fist

that's very big in the new age circles.

409 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:06:24pm

re: #328 jcm

Islam, Christianity and Juadism all have a biases or proscriptions against images, i.e. statutes. Those religions and societies will have a bias against giant images. The Catholic church embraced image moreso than most other branches, and you have the Rio statue of Christ from that influence

It's like He's on the dashboard of the whole country.
/Homer Simpson

410 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:06:34pm

Just what we need - another fawning attempt to rehabilitate the image of none other than mass murdering despot Che Guevara. As if the Che t-shirts and caps and the Motorcycle Diaries weren't enough.

And who's going to do this? Cuban folk singer Silvio Rodriguez.

Cuba still suffers as a result of Che's actions - which helped put the Castros in charge.

411 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:07:07pm

re: #389 WinterCat

What a horrible mental picture this has created! I think I must go make a lovely cup of tea and think of something else.

Oopsie! Sorry.

412 Ay, Caramba  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:07:09pm

re: #401 Occasional Reader

mmm, bacon placenta swiss burger deluxe...don't forget the pickle.

413 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:07:11pm

re: #399 JustABill

I mean "INCONCEIVABLE" /Epic fail

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

414 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:07:30pm

re: #397 MandyManners

Did you have a ripping good time?

Oww. I was trying to figure out if you could use episiotomy in a pun, but that would be quite a stretch.

415 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:07:43pm

This is becoming sort of comical...
Why the economy continues to stall

by Ed Morrissey

The difference between Obama’s personal ratings and his economic ratings are significant in both domestic and international respondents. International investors overwhelmingly like Obama, but his ratings on economic policies drop perhaps more than 30 points abroad, and get cut in half at home. Unfortunately for Obama, foreign investors aren’t flooding cash into the American economy either, thanks to both the strains in their own economies as well as concerns over debt strategies.

Meanwhile, in the real world...
Dow at 8-month high

Market's fear gauge still points to gains for stocks

The VIX, otherwise known as the market's fear gauge, is firmly back under 30, suggesting that investors are confident the worst is over. But it remains above the 20 mark -- a sign that investors are not overly exhuberant.

Heh. Just a tip to conservative bloggers: Wait for a bad day with the economy to post the doom and gloom stuff.

416 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:07:57pm

re: #409 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It's like He's on the dashboard of the whole country.
/Homer Simpson

I was thinking of visiting Rio's beaches, but I hear the monkey problem has gotten even worse!

417 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:08:00pm

re: #396 nyc redneck

i think o will show his ass a lot more too. he is getting rattled and doesn't know how to handle rejection. he will go into full tantrum mode.
but i think o will serve as a wake up call for all americans to get involved and engage in critical thinking...
surely, even the dumbest s.o.b is going to forget that angle after o is done w/ this country.

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. (On a T-shirt I own)

418 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:08:05pm

re: #382 JacksonTn

His narcissistic supply must be maintained.

419 Capitalistincharge  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:08:07pm

re: #368 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

He loves the "pass the buck" routine because he was born and raised and mentored by the type of people that shirked personal responsiblity. As a professional Community Organizer, he has lived a life of immersion in victimization. People of character and integrity don't blame others for the mess they are in (Bush left me this mess). When ego and narccisism define a man, character, ethics, morality and integrity are considered a liability.

420 Dianna  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:08:39pm

re: #410 lawhawk

Just what we need - another fawning attempt to rehabilitate the image of none other than mass murdering despot Che Guevara. As if the Che t-shirts and caps and the Motorcycle Diaries weren't enough.

And who's going to do this? Cuban folk singer Silvio Rodriguez.

Cuba still suffers as a result of Che's actions - which helped put the Castros in charge.

*tiny voice*
I actually like Sylvio Rodriguez.

421 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:08:40pm
422 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:08:43pm

re: #416 Occasional Reader

I was thinking of visiting Rio's beaches, but I hear the monkey problem has gotten even worse!

Seriously?

423 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:08:47pm

re: #416 Occasional Reader

I was thinking of visiting Rio's beaches, but I hear the monkey problem has gotten even worse!

RACIST!

/

424 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:08:48pm

re: #370 MandyManners

I wonder if he's gonna' take off his shoe and pound the podium.

I sometimes just watch him in complete awe.

425 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:08:52pm

re: #396 nyc redneck

i think o will show his ass a lot more too. he is getting rattled and doesn't know how to handle rejection. he will go into full tantrum mode.
but i think o will serve as a wake up call for all americans to get involved and engage in critical thinking. i doubt that, anytime soon, a derelict will get elected to the office of potus just because voters wanted to feel good abt. a historical event.
surely, even the dumbest s.o.b is going to forget that angle after o is done w/ this country.

If only, nycredneck. We can hope.

426 ladycatnip  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:08:57pm

New name for The One: The Won.

Hopefully can be used interchangeably.

427 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:09:04pm

re: #399 JustABill

I mean "INCONCEIVABLE" /Epic fail


I donna think tha word means what he thinks it means.

428 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:09:16pm

re: #391 Kaymad

How sad! I was really looking forward to liberals enjoying the same healthcare as the VA provides our Vets.

We recently moved across the country and my husband has given up on the VA here, he's been attempting to register with them for weeks and finally said screw it, it's not worth it.

At first they gave him a stack of forms wanting to know things such as how much he earns and what we spend during the month. He is 60 percent disabled and retired from the military, so why in the hell do they need to know all these details??? Every time he goes back he is told something different. Basically they just wore him down until he gave up, so they're pretty good. Crap like this is what is in store for everyone if we get nationalized health care.

Only there won't be anywhere else to go, except the Soylent Green factory.

429 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:09:16pm

re: #349 Creeping Eruption

That could be quite a breach to be sure.

OT, didn't you just hate those oxytocin commercials with the guy Billy Mayes who died recently?

430 jantjepietje  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:09:31pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

The GOP just bought the time they need to stop this plan and come up with something better. I hope they don't squander this opportunity.

What sort of better plan are you thinking off?
The USA now has one of the most bureaucratic health care systems in the world. Just saying 'less government' isn't going to fix your problems I think and I haven't seen any good republican alternative.

431 J.S.  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:09:44pm

The One is now on CNN -- it really does remind me of listening to a Castro speech. "The system as we know it is broken." How many times, how many times has The Zero repeated this? Whether it's "capitalism", whether it's "lobbyists"; whether it's "Health Care" -- "Da system iz broken, broken, I tells ya..." Good grief...I am so sick of hearing this crap -- whether he's running around on one of his Wonder Tours to Berlin, Africa, or the Middle East so as to insult Americans and pump up the Haters of America -- or he's on Stage in America doin' exactly the same -- he's running down -- defaming -- the United States. That must be his Full Time Job -- making exhortations about how bad, evil and awful the United States is.

432 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:10:05pm

re: #421 buzzsawmonkey

Excellent first draft. It does need a little polishing.

433 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:10:09pm
434 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:10:17pm

Yo-Hoo! Just got the Cable modem installed!
Smoking fast!
I spit on you Dial up...I pee on you DSL!
Yo-hoo! Finally speed at home...

435 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:10:36pm

re: #386 MandyManners

Judging by the number of up-dings, you struck a cord.

Glad to be of cervix

436 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:10:38pm

re: #414 redstateredneck

Oww. I was trying to figure out if you could use episiotomy in a pun, but that would be quite a stretch.

You should be swollen with pride for that pun!

437 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:10:50pm

re: #231 Pianobuff

Looks like Congress is going home for recess after all.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday that the House can go home for its August recess without passing a massive overhaul.

Pelosi dismissed concerns expressed by many Democrats that a monthlong delay could give opponents more chances to rally opposition to the bill.

"I'm not afraid of August," Pelosi said. "It's a month."

That is different from what she said Wednesday and contradicts one of her fellow Democratic House leaders. On Wednesday, Pelosi had indicated that she supported staying into August, saying, "70 percent of the American people would want that."

As the bill has bogged down in the Energy and Commerce Committee, the July 31 deadline for passing the bill has seemed increasingly more difficult to meet. Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) have promised lawmakers two days to read the final bill, so it must get out of the committee by Wednesday.

The committee again delayed its markup Thursday. The committee hasn't met since Monday.

Hoyer has said he didn't see the need to keep lawmakers in session if Democrats haven't reached consensus.

But shortly before Pelosi's news conference, House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.), the No. 3 Democrat in the House, said the House should "postpone, if not cancel, our August recess" until the healthcare bill is passed.

"If we leave here without doing this, nobody is going to interpret that we're going home to listen," Clyburn said. "They'll say we're going on vacation without having done it."

Blue Dogs on the Energy and Commerce Committee have threatened to block the bill, saying it doesn’t do enough to cut healthcare costs and puts too heavy a burden on employers. And even if the Blue Dogs' concerns are assuaged, there are still looming problems with the tax on the wealthy to pay for it and objections by rural members who feel Medicare shortchanges their physicians and hospitals.

Pelosi reiterated Thursday her belief that she has enough votes to pass the bill. Democratic opponents of the current bill said it is nowhere close to having the votes to pass on the House floor. But she stood by her vote count Thursday.

"I'm more confident than ever," Pelosi said. "I stand by my statement."

This is an admission that Pelosi doesn't have the votes for passage, and that the margin is so wide she has no hope of overcoming it, despite 0's insistence that the bill must be passed immediately.

Meanwhile, 0 has hit the road to pitch his program, and you can bet that the media and the rest of the Dems will be doing the same.

This is a golden opportunity for the GOP to make it's case to the public. Don't slack up on the pressure - it's looking more and more as though we can can defeat this thing if we remain diligent.

438 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:11:01pm

re: #434 HoosierHoops

Yo-Hoo! Just got the Cable modem installed!
Smoking fast!
I spit on you Dial up...I pee on you DSL!
Yo-hoo! Finally speed at home...

Woot!

439 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:11:03pm

re: #434 HoosierHoops

Yo-Hoo! Just got the Cable modem installed!
Smoking fast!
I spit on you Dial up...I pee on you DSL!
Yo-hoo! Finally speed at home...

You'll never be able to go back to dial up again. Feels great, eh?

440 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:11:04pm

re: #429 turn

OT, didn't you just hate those oxytocin commercials with the guy Billy Mayes who died recently?

I did. I always felt like it made me Pit one commercial over another.

441 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:11:07pm

re: #434 HoosierHoops

Yo-Hoo! Just got the Cable modem installed!
Smoking fast!
I spit on you Dial up...I pee on you DSL!
Yo-hoo! Finally speed at home...

You still had dial up? Are you Amish?

/

442 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:11:15pm

re: #349 Creeping Eruption

re: #352 midwestgak

GMTA - you guys are killing me. Ha, after this pun is over we need to birth a new one.

443 Athos  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:11:20pm

Latest FNC / Opinion Dynamics poll from 7/21-22

Only sampling information is from the last question - identify themselves as Dem (40%), Repub (34%), Indepen (20%)...

444 Ay, Caramba  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:11:23pm

re: #434 HoosierHoops

Yo-Hoo! Just got the Cable modem installed!
Smoking fast!
I spit on you Dial up...I pee on you DSL!
Yo-hoo! Finally speed at home...

Make sure to unplug the DSL before peeing on it.

445 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:11:24pm

re: #383 eschew_obfuscation

In what way are they hard to get?

Expensive, and many companies just plain pulled out, little completion. Pre-screening is rigorous, may policies have a long wait to take effect. That way they are still within the letter of the law.

What happened when the pre-existing conditions clause was removed. Was people wouldn't carry insurance, they'd then get diagnosed with something. They run out and buy a policy, and the law required they could buy it and the company would have to cover the illness at existing rates.

As soon as the illness was treated the person would drop the insurance.

Insurance companies didn't want to play that game, and I don't blame them.

446 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:11:49pm

re: #419 Capitalistincharge

He loves the "pass the buck" routine because he was born and raised and mentored by the type of people that shirked personal responsiblity. As a professional Community Organizer, he has lived a life of immersion in victimization. People of character and integrity don't blame others for the mess they are in (Bush left me this mess). When ego and narccisism define a man, character, ethics, morality and integrity are considered a liability.

That's the thing. Most of the reason he engages in the "pass the buck" exercise is because it plays well with the Dem base and they honestly believe it plays well with moderates. Namely that blaming the other guy silences questions of what exactly did they do to stop all this from happening. It seemed to work for them during the election, so they think they can keep it going. What they don't get is that people want answers, not excuses, and that this "Republicans are bad, m'kay" routine is wearing thin.

447 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:11:51pm

re: #422 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Seriously?

No, just another Homer quote.

(Brazilians were outraged at the "Simpsons Go To Brazil" episode, and in particular, a scene at which a monkey was shown scampering around the Ipanema Beach. The Mayor of Rio even threatened to sue the show. So ever since then, the writers have enjoyed dropping the occasional gratuitous follow-up slap.)

448 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:11:57pm

re: #433 Iron Fist

want me to talk to her?

449 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:11:59pm

re: #435 calcajun

Glad to be of cervix

Bravo.

450 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:12:12pm

re: #419 Capitalistincharge

He loves the "pass the buck" routine because he was born and raised and mentored by the type of people that shirked personal responsiblity. As a professional Community Organizer, he has lived a life of immersion in victimization. People of character and integrity don't blame others for the mess they are in (Bush left me this mess). When ego and narccisism define a man, character, ethics, morality and integrity are considered a liability.

Look at how his own mother passed him off to her mother.

451 Athos  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:12:40pm

re: #415 Killgore Trout

And how does the Dow compare to a year ago?

One strong day does not make a bull market - or ignore the underlying challenges and problems in the market / economy.

452 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:12:41pm

re: #417 DaddyG

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. (On a T-shirt I own)

The larger the group, the lower the I.Q., even if the group is rocket scientists. Herd mentality takes over.

453 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:12:57pm

re: #440 Creeping Eruption

I did. I always felt like it made me Pit one commercial over another.


That induced me to laughter.

454 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:13:04pm

re: #444 Ay, Caramba

Make sure to unplug the DSL before peeing on it.

SHHH!

I want to watch!

455 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:13:10pm

re: #421 buzzsawmonkey

*applause*

456 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:13:26pm

re: #429 turn

OT, didn't you just hate those oxytocin commercials with the guy Billy Mayes who died recently?

Watching him work made my pit drip.

457 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:13:34pm

re: #445 jcm

jeebus, you would think that people would figure out how to structure incentives for this crap

458 KenJen  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:13:38pm

re: #433 Iron Fist

I saw the news on the last thread. Congrats!

459 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:13:44pm

re: #430 jantjepietje

What sort of better plan are you thinking off?
The USA now has one of the most bureaucratic health care systems in the world. Just saying 'less government' isn't going to fix your problems I think and I haven't seen any good republican alternative.

I don't find it to be bureaucratic. To what are you referring?

460 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:13:46pm

re: #424 WinterCat

I sometimes just watch him in complete awe.

I try not to look at him at all.

461 subsailor68  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:13:49pm

re: #433 Iron Fist

Cool! I want the Girlfriend Fiancee to get her carry permit. A .357 would be fine for her, as she could still shoot .38s in it. What I really want isa a Smith and Wesson 642 or the like (I'll go for the hammerless over the ability to shoot magnum rounds). She won't be able to handle the heavy magnum loads, but a +P would be doable. She doesn't need to have to worry about single or double action, and she doesn't want to learn a manual of arms the way she'd need to with an automatic.

It isn't the best (I'd rather load her up with a Kahr in 9mm, and a couple of extra magazines), but it is what she is willing to do.

First, congratulations!! Hmm...the little 642 does look sweet. Sounds like she's kind of like my wife. The Ladysmith appeals to her for the very reason she can fire .38s through it. She's very good with both my Glock 9mm (the 19 and 26), but really does prefer the revolvers. Go figure.

462 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:14:00pm

re: #447 Occasional Reader

No, just another Homer quote.

(Brazilians were outraged at the "Simpsons Go To Brazil" episode, and in particular, a scene at which a monkey was shown scampering around the Ipanema Beach. The Mayor of Rio even threatened to sue the show. So ever since then, the writers have enjoyed dropping the occasional gratuitous follow-up slap.)

Must not have seen that episode. If there were really beaches filled with hot women & monkeys, it'd be just a beer distributorship short of every guy's paradise.

463 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:14:15pm
464 ladycatnip  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:14:28pm

#417 DaddyG

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. (On a T-shirt I own)

"Never underestimate the powers of stupid." - anonymous but renowned mathematics professor.

465 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:14:34pm

re: #434 HoosierHoops

I pee on you DSL!

Just be sure to unplug it first. Important safety tip.

466 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:14:42pm

re: #454 jcm

SHHH!

I want to watch!

And thanks to cable modems, you can watch in blazing high speed!

467 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:14:44pm

re: #439 Killgore Trout

You'll never be able to go back to dial up again. Feels great, eh?

I messed up.. A week ago I told AT&T to stick it with their crappy DSL...
( in all fairness...DSL sucks in the middle of cornfields)
I called my Cable company and it took a week to get install... So for a week I felt like I was back in the 90's with dial-up...I am back being a happy camper...
Yo-hoo!

468 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:14:44pm

re: #437 SixDegrees

This is an admission that Pelosi doesn't have the votes for passage, and that the margin is so wide she has no hope of overcoming it, despite 0's insistence that the bill must be passed immediately.

Meanwhile, 0 has hit the road to pitch his program, and you can bet that the media and the rest of the Dems will be doing the same.

This is a golden opportunity for the GOP to make it's case to the public. Don't slack up on the pressure - it's looking more and more as though we can can defeat this thing if we remain diligent.

Agreed. All the discussion of staying through recess was giving me flashbacks to last year's holdovers on the R side who stayed back in DC due to gas prices.

I really really hope that Rs aren't looking at this as time off and instead amp it up a notch.

469 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:14:47pm

re: #453 redstateredneck

That induced me to laughter.

I'm glad, but I am really not that funny. You'll get ovary it soon.

470 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:14:52pm

re: #435 calcajun

Glad to be of cervix

I bow to the master.

471 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:15:21pm

re: #333 Wendya

They want single-payer and they want it crammed through regardless of the resulting carnage.

I am doing everything I can to encourage irredeemable Dems to support single-payer. It is a complete non-starter, and won't even make it out of committee; there is no support for it at all in either chamber, and public opinion on it is even worse. The Dems, so far, have been smart enough to realize that single-payer proposals are dead in the water, and haven't been stupid enough to even whisper about them. Promoting this dead-on-arrival alternative with liberal dead-enders at least makes good use of their time and effort.

472 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:15:24pm

re: #431 J.S.

The One is now on CNN -- it really does remind me of listening to a Castro speech. "The system as we know it is broken." How many times, how many times has The Zero repeated this? Whether it's "capitalism", whether it's "lobbyists"; whether it's "Health Care" -- "Da system iz broken, broken, I tells ya..." Good grief...I am so sick of hearing this crap -- whether he's running around on one of his Wonder Tours to Berlin, Africa, or the Middle East so as to insult Americans and pump up the Haters of America -- or he's on Stage in America doin' exactly the same -- he's running down -- defaming -- the United States. That must be his Full Time Job -- making exhortations about how bad, evil and awful the United States is.

Gee, I actually like the good ole' US of A. It was a great place to live 6 months ago. Now, I guess I am to believe that it has always been a terrible place to live. Who'd a thunk it?

473 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:15:25pm

re: #457 wahabicorridor

jeebus, you would think that people would figure out how to structure incentives for this crap

Feel good politics vs. economics.

474 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:15:27pm

re: #461 subsailor68

but really does prefer the revolvers. Go figure.

So do I - easier to clean and no jamming - well, as long as they're clean

475 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:15:34pm

re: #469 Creeping Eruption

I'm glad, but I am really not that funny. You'll get ovary it soon.

Seriously, I laughed so hard I fallopian my ass!

476 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:15:54pm

re: #470 MandyManners

Thanks--down I must scamper down into the salt mines.

BBIAW

477 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:16:37pm

re: #475 redstateredneck

Seriously, I laughed so hard I fallopian my ass!

This thread is going down the tubes for sure.

478 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:16:40pm

re: #463 Iron Fist

I don't even have to click on your link (which I couldn't open here at work anyway, because of de damn filters) to know that it's something DC won't let me have. Do you enjoy tormenting me like this? DO YOU?!

479 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:16:55pm

re: #353 Occasional Reader

I see we're all exchanging the usual placentaries.

First child puns, then birthing puns, what can we conceivably pun about next?

480 Kaymad  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:17:00pm

re: #404 DaddyG

I really don't think it's worth it. He travels a lot with his job, so if needs an appointment it has to be fairly quick, it's easier to get health insurance where you can pick your own doctor and you're guaranteed an appointment within a day or two.

481 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:17:03pm

re: #442 turn

re: #352 midwestgak

GMTA - you guys are killing me. Ha, after this pun is over we need to birth a new one.

Are you suggesting that Creeping and I are twins?

482 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:17:17pm

re: #381 lawhawk

All this talk is just premature.

I know, it's not being given the proper gestation. I say no more puns - NINE! We should wait months to start up again.

483 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:17:26pm

re: #479 CyanSnowHawk

First child puns, then birthing puns, what can we conceivably pun about next?

We'll thrush something out.

484 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:17:32pm

re: #462 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Must not have seen that episode. If there were really beaches filled with hot women & monkeys, it'd be just a beer distributorship short of every guy's paradise.

Er... whatever floats your boat, dude...

485 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:17:33pm

re: #445 jcm

Expensive, and many companies just plain pulled out, little completion. Pre-screening is rigorous, may policies have a long wait to take effect. That way they are still within the letter of the law.

What happened when the pre-existing conditions clause was removed. Was people wouldn't carry insurance, they'd then get diagnosed with something. They run out and buy a policy, and the law required they could buy it and the company would have to cover the illness at existing rates.

As soon as the illness was treated the person would drop the insurance.

Insurance companies didn't want to play that game, and I don't blame them.

O.K. That was the only thing I could think of... thanks!

Once you remove risk selection from the process, it's not really insurance anymore. Yeah, you spread risks some, but if policy holders can come and go as you describe, not even that is possible.

486 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:17:35pm
487 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:17:41pm

re: #477 calcajun

This thread is going down the tubes for sure.

Don't get yourself tied up in knots over this. It's just nuts.

488 Ay, Caramba  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:18:01pm

re: #477 calcajun

This thread is going down the tubes for sure.

Hymen to that

489 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:18:05pm

re: #479 CyanSnowHawk

First child puns, then birthing puns, what can we conceivably pun about next?

I don't know nothin' about birthin' no new pun threads, Miss Scarlett.

490 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:18:15pm

re: #416 Occasional Reader

If you went to Rio's beaches, I'm sure that monkey would be punished with a spanking!

491 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:18:22pm

re: #486 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know nothin' 'bout no birthin' puns, Miz Scarlett. I lied!

CURSE YOU BUZZSAWMONKEY!

492 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:18:37pm
493 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:18:53pm

re: #451 Athos

The recovery is going to take years.

494 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:19:07pm

re: #479 CyanSnowHawk

First child puns, then birthing puns, what can we conceivably pun about next?

Well, if we can't come up with the next logical progression, some of our best punsters are screwed.

495 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:19:13pm
496 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:19:18pm

Watery Graves

Mark Steyn comments on the statistically improbable number of deaths by drowning of young Muslim women in Ontario

Three or so weeks back, a submerged car was found in the Rideau Canal in Kingston, Ont., containing the bodies of three teenage girls and their aunt — a story initially reported as Mysterious Death Of 4 Quebecers Baffles Kingston Police. When it emerged that the four female Quebecers were, in fact, Muslim, the tearful parents offered up a strange tale of an impromptu midnight driving lesson gone tragically wrong (Driving Lesson May Have Led To Drowning).

La Presse is now reporting that the girls' father, mother, and brother have been arrested en route to Montreal Airport, and that the deceased "aunt" or (alternatively) "cousin" was, in fact, the girls' father's first wife. The words "crime d'honneur" are beginning to creep into newspaper accounts.

Meanwhile, the blogger Scaramouche suggests that, while they're looking into honor killings in the Kingston area, the constabulary might take a gander at another curious aquatic accident this month...

497 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:19:22pm

re: #477 calcajun

This thread is going down the tubes for sure.

I know; people are just fallopian' out for no reason.

498 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:19:23pm

OT:
This is particularly rich. Apparently the police officer in the dustup with the Harvard Prof is a police academy lecturer on profiling.

The white police sergeant criticized by President Barack Obama for arresting black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. in his Massachusetts home is a police academy expert on racial profiling.

Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class on racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.

"I have nothing but the highest respect for him as a police officer. He is very professional and he is a good role model for the young recruits in the police academy," Fleming told The Associated Press on Thursday.

The course, called "Racial Profiling," teaches about different cultures that officers could encounter in their community "and how you don't want to single people out because of their ethnic background or the culture they come from," Fleming said.

Obama has said the Cambridge officers "acted stupidly" in arresting Gates last week when they responded to his house after a woman reported a suspected break-in.

499 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:19:27pm

re: #477 calcajun

This thread is going down the tubes for sure.

Wew need to bring it to an endo.

500 Dianna  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:19:29pm

re: #434 HoosierHoops

Yo-Hoo! Just got the Cable modem installed!
Smoking fast!
I spit on you Dial up...I pee on you DSL!
Yo-hoo! Finally speed at home...

I keep thinking that my mom could benefit from not being on dial up. Then I think of all the things mom could do, and suddenly, dial up seems a marvellous idea.

501 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:19:51pm

re: #445 jcm

Expensive, and many companies just plain pulled out, little completion. Pre-screening is rigorous, may policies have a long wait to take effect. That way they are still within the letter of the law.

What happened when the pre-existing conditions clause was removed. Was people wouldn't carry insurance, they'd then get diagnosed with something. They run out and buy a policy, and the law required they could buy it and the company would have to cover the illness at existing rates.

As soon as the illness was treated the person would drop the insurance.

Insurance companies didn't want to play that game, and I don't blame them.


The US did have to ban pre-existing condition exclusion when changing insurance, though, or people wouldn't change jobs - they could lose coverage.
Something similar could be done, where you can change companies and have pre-existing conditions covered, but not if you didn't have coverage before.

In California, companies will retroactively cancel insurance if they think a condition could have existed before you got the insurance, even if you didn't know.

502 Kaymad  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:19:52pm

re: #430 jantjepietje

503 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:19:55pm

Universal Health Insurance in Washington State: (Published in 2000)
A Grim Prognosis For All of Us
(Published in 2000)

Late last year, in another assault on the truth, President Clinton claimed the rising number of uninsured is due to Congress' failure in 1993 to pass his plan for nationalizing health care.(1) Contrary to his predictable spin, the growing national population of uninsured citizens is a cancer clearly identifiable at the state level with Washington State becoming a textbook case for legislators and single-payer advocates. Make no mistake about this: it is not because state legislators failed to implement universal health care, but precisely because they did!

[snip]

As for health care policy, it's becoming apparent liberals and some conservatives don't much care if mandates and government regulations raise the price of health insurance and therefore increase the number of uninsured Americans. Since the more uninsured Americans there are, the stronger the popular support and hence the political support for a nationalized, single-payer health care system.

What seems so disingenuous is that while both Clintons like to brag about how many components from their health plan have been incrementally legislated nationally, they are in denial over how government health care is being force-fed to all Americans on a scale no less than that force-fed to the citizens of Washington State. The consequences are becoming the same: the nation is now running an uninsured rate of about 17 percent.

The market for health insurance in the state of Washington is collapsing because of determined shortsightedness. In 1993, before radical insurance reform, 19 insurers sold individual insurance, Today, only three do. Between 1994 and 1997, the six largest insurance companies lost more than $116 million on individual policies. The loss trend continues today for the remaining insurers.

As premium inflation permeates the population, consumers find it sensible to maintain insurance only so long as it is needed, creating a death spiral created by politicians addicted to repeating what we know to be bad social policy. It seems appropriate to suggest that when it comes to health care issues, one of the best health care reform laws needed by Americans is one that protects us from some of our elected representatives and their appointed bureaucrats.

Getting involved in the health care social policy debate is a lot of trouble, is expensive, is time consuming, and is guaranteed to offend someone. But, the alternative is worse.

504 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:20:03pm

re: #388 Occasional Reader

I see people are trying to GYN up more childbirth puns, but they're having trouble.

Yeah, I'm having trouble. It's hard to conceive of a new one. Hey OR are you still in SD?

505 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:20:10pm

re: #493 Killgore Trout

The recovery is going to take years.

Yes, once Obama is out of office it is going to take many years to recover.

506 subsailor68  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:20:21pm

re: #474 wahabicorridor

So do I - easier to clean and no jamming - well, as long as they're clean

Well, if you're a fan of revolvers, this place should make your mouth water (at least it does mine). I have at least two I'd love to pick up - if I can find the bucks.

El Paso Saddlery

507 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:20:26pm
508 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:20:31pm

re: #475 redstateredneck

Seriously, I laughed so hard I fallopian my ass!

On your ass? I hope you are ok..I think there are some attorneys around here who could commence some ligation on your behalf.

509 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:20:57pm

re: #486 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know nothin' 'bout no birthin' puns, Miz Scarlett. I lied!

Go to your womb!

510 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:20:58pm
511 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:21:09pm

re: #494 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, if we can't come up with the next logical progression, some of our best punsters are screwed.


Only if they are complete tools.

512 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:21:12pm

re: #498 lawhawk

OT:
This is particularly rich. Apparently the police officer in the dustup with the Harvard Prof is a police academy lecturer on profiling.

Oh boy is this GREAT!

513 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:21:24pm

re: #399 JustABill

I mean "INCONCEIVABLE" /Epic fail

LMAO - too funny!

514 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:21:31pm

re: #433 Iron Fist

Cool! I want the Girlfriend Fiancee to get her carry permit. A .357 would be fine for her, as she could still shoot .38s in it.

And so much more practical than a set of cookware!

515 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:21:38pm

re: #504 turn

Yeah, I'm having trouble. It's hard to conceive of a new one. Hey OR are you still in SD?

I've never been to South Dakota in my life.


//

No, I'm back in DC. But... heading to Paris tomorrow.

516 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:21:47pm

re: #498 lawhawk

OT:
This is particularly rich. Apparently the police officer in the dustup with the Harvard Prof is a police academy lecturer on profiling.

Man, talk about comedy that writes itself.

517 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:22:00pm

re: #498 lawhawk

OT:
This is particularly rich. Apparently the police officer in the dustup with the Harvard Prof is a police academy lecturer on profiling.

He had a CHiPs on his shoulder.

518 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:22:15pm

re: #496 Kenneth

I heard about that other story. I am refraining from saying anything about it until the police are done investigating.

519 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:22:49pm

re: #501 Kosh's Shadow

The US did have to ban pre-existing condition exclusion when changing insurance, though, or people wouldn't change jobs - they could lose coverage.
Something similar could be done, where you can change companies and have pre-existing conditions covered, but not if you didn't have coverage before.

In California, companies will retroactively cancel insurance if they think a condition could have existed before you got the insurance, even if you didn't know.

Portability can actuarially be predicted, it was individuals abusing the a complete ban on pre-existing conditions that killed it.

520 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:23:01pm

re: #511 DaddyG

Only if they are complete tools.

Don't throw a wrench into it or you may have to chisel your way out.

521 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:23:05pm

re: #405 Occasional Reader

That'll teach you to try to match wits with a Sicilian cesarean when death is on the line.


FTFY

522 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:23:11pm

re: #508 Creeping Eruption

On your ass? I hope you are ok..I think there are some attorneys around here who could commence some ligation on your behalf.


I dont' know if I have a case. It may be circumcisal evidence.

523 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:23:12pm

"The war is lost."
Harry Reid
Bin Laden's Son Believed Killed in U.S. Airstrike

/Can we get some new leaders now?

524 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:23:13pm

re: #498 lawhawk

Oh that is perfect!

Hey, Obama wanna have another go with the shovel? Dig! Dig!

525 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:23:23pm

re: #498 lawhawk

OT:
This is particularly rich. Apparently the police officer in the dustup with the Harvard Prof is a police academy lecturer on profiling.


Well then obviously he's a HYPOCRITE, in addition to being a racist!

/Nutroots... or White House official statement... you make the call!

526 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:23:32pm

re: #515 Occasional Reader

I've never been to South Dakota in my life.


//

No, I'm back in DC. But... heading to Paris tomorrow.

wow, have a good time.

527 jantjepietje  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:23:41pm

re: #459 eschew_obfuscation

I don't find it to be bureaucratic. To what are you referring?

overhead costs etc are very very high?
although you spent a very large(i think the highest in the world) percentage of your gdp you only get health for a limited percentage of your population and you only get a limited amount of coverage for the people that do have health insurance

528 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:23:52pm

re: #478 Occasional Reader

I don't even have to click on your link (which I couldn't open here at work anyway, because of de damn filters) to know that it's something DC won't let me have. Do you enjoy tormenting me like this? DO YOU?!

I visited the Army Ordnance Museum in Aberdeen MD over the weekend - you'd love their firearms display. Plus they have the smallest nuclear artillery system ever made, not quite your fantasy of a nuclear hand grenade, but close enough.

529 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:23:53pm

re: #506 subsailor68

Well, if you're a fan of revolvers, this place should make your mouth water (at least it does mine). I have at least two I'd love to pick up - if I can find the bucks.

El Paso Saddlery

Love the Doc Holiday holster.

530 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:24:10pm

re: #518 BlueCanuck

I'll be watching it closely.

531 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:24:35pm
532 Dianna  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:25:05pm

Kenneth -

The last sentence has me ready to cry:

In other circumstances, they'd be planning the movie with Ashley Judd or some such as the crusading feminist Assistant DA. But as the M-word's involved I expect poor Zainab Shafi and the rest will be quickly forgotten.

533 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:25:10pm

re: #520 midwestgak

Don't throw a wrench into it or you may have to chisel your way out.

Don't criticize my craft(sman) Stanley!

534 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:25:17pm

re: #526 turn

wow, have a good time.

And watch out for angry "youts!"

535 formercorpsman  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:25:22pm

re: #528 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Great place Beer.

536 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:25:22pm
537 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:25:24pm

re: #528 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I visited the Army Ordnance Museum in Aberdeen MD over the weekend - you'd love their firearms display. Plus they have the smallest nuclear artillery system ever made, not quite your fantasy of a nuclear hand grenade, but close enough.

Good reminder... I've long meant to stop off there some day when I'm making the DC - NY run.

538 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:26:13pm

re: #506 subsailor68

Oh. My. God.

Iron Fist

quick question - is there a place she can practice? (I joined a club)

539 Ay, Caramba  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:26:18pm

Off topic,
seriously, doesn't anyone have a gun or baseball bat?
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

540 J.S.  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:26:18pm

re: #496 Kenneth

I got the impression that maybe forensics figured out something (like the occupants in the car didn't die of drowning -- that they were already dead, then the car was pushed into the canal so as to cover up a crime)...I believe there was going to be a news conference...(i'm glad the police acted before these jerks could escape or board the plane and get out of Canada...)

541 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:26:18pm

re: #533 DaddyG

Don't criticize my craft(sman) Stanley!

Put a socket in it.

542 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:26:20pm

re: #531 Iron Fist

And you can't spare a brother a mere eleven grand for an M-60 semi-auto?


M-60 semi-auto? What's the point?!

543 subsailor68  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:26:32pm

re: #529 Creeping Eruption

Love the Doc Holiday holster.

Pretty cool, eh? I have a friend who is really into single action colts, and he's got at least four holsters from El Paso. They're absolutely gorgeous, and the quality is fantastic!

544 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:26:49pm

re: #528 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Is that open to the public? I've never been there. Probably because Aberdeen is about an hour and a half away from home, and there are lots of other museums in DC and Baltimore.

545 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:26:53pm

re: #402 opnion

They want the Blue Dogs in line. Apparently BHO thinks that they are ruining his presidency.

I was thinking about this during lunch.
They have started some very nasty ads here about Baucus being in the pocket of the insurance companies but it was Baucus who fought for the SChip policies during the Bush years. I mentioned to my boss that I haven't seen this much nastiness in MT politics since they were trying to get rid of Conrad Burns. Found out that the money behind the Burns ads was Acorn $$. I know that Move On had money on it but did not know about the Acorn dollars (there just aren't that many people here to benefit acorn)

I have a feeling that the new bloods (Chicago crowd) are trying to pull the rug out from under the heirarchy of Dems in DC. Get rid of the blue dogs, get rid of the ones who, although liberal are more centrist (Baucus) and know that they have to please the people who vote for them. They already pulled Joe Lieberman's carpet out with Lamont Cranston (Lieberman won but he had to go 'independent' to do it.)

WHY are they tearing down their house and what do they hope to purchase in the end. This is a long hard fight. I think we are just beginning to see the skirmishes. Baucus will have a target on his back. Have a feeling I know who the new bloods will try to put up in his place - but I'll wait and see.

546 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:27:14pm

re: #528 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

...not quite your fantasy of a nuclear hand grenade, but close enough.

...now that would require one heck of a throwing arm!

547 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:27:20pm

Okay, that thing has started again where the control buttons jump around when I try to use them to do italics, bold, etc. Anyone else seeing that?

548 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:27:21pm

re: #528 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

105 Howitzer artillery shell? Heard about those from a friend of mine. Had a charge 8 on it and most howitzers could only fire it five times before it had to go in for massive shock absorber repair.

549 wiffersnapper  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:27:42pm

Phew, safe for another few months!

550 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:28:02pm

re: #544 Mad Al-Jaffee

Is that open to the public? I've never been there. Probably because Aberdeen is about an hour and a half away from home, and there are lots of other museums in DC and Baltimore.

There's actually a very good firearms museum right here in downtown DC.

551 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:28:24pm

re: #550 Occasional Reader

There's actually a very good firearms museum right here in downtown DC.

FBI?

552 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:28:24pm

re: #487 lawhawk

Don't get yourself tied up in knots over this. It's just nuts.

These puns are making me testes.

553 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:28:39pm

re: #550 Occasional Reader

There's actually a very good firearms museum right here in downtown DC.

Really? Do you mean the FBI tour? I thought they shut that down years ago.

554 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:28:40pm

re: #512 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh boy is this GREAT!

I hope this comes out. This man's reputation has been impugned by Professor Gates, the mayor of Cambridge, the Gov of MA, and the President of the United States. When will their apology be forthcoming?

555 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:28:41pm

Sorta health related:

Dozens Arrested in New Jersey Corruption Probe

Levy Izhak Rosenbaum of Brooklyn was charged separately with conspiring to broker the sale of a human kidney for a transplant, at a cost of $160,000 to the transplant recipient. According to the FBI's complaint, Mr. Rosenbaum said he had been brokering the sale of kidneys for 10 years.

My question is, how do you go about doing that without the aid of a doctor, and probably a hospital. I figured that when a kidney comes out of someone, the doctor has already done the type-matching.

Or would it have been cadaver kidneys?

556 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:28:56pm

re: #514 Kenneth

And so much more practical than a set of cookware!

Funny story (as long as you weren't my dad).

When teflon cookware first came out, Dad bought Mom a set for Christmas.

She cried all day - and I mean ALL day.

Next year he asks me (I was about 15) - ok, fur coat or diamond ring?

Diamond ring, Dad, she can wear it every day.

Man, you could see that thing from 2 blocks away.

557 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:28:59pm
558 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:29:06pm

re: #552 MandyManners

These puns are making me testes.

What deferens does it make ?

559 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:29:15pm

re: #552 MandyManners

These puns are making me testes.

There's a vas deferens between birth and organ puns.

560 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:29:20pm

re: #435 calcajun

Glad to be of cervix

hhahaha Uterus up with puns like that - too funny!

561 Creeping Eruption  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:29:21pm

re: #552 MandyManners

These puns are making me testes.

I thought the reproductive puns were ova. I guess I was wrong.

562 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:29:41pm

re: #540 J.S.

Part of the problem they were investigating was how the car got into the canal in the first place. A lot of barriers had to be avoided in order for it to go in the way it did. Not some sort of "oops" that a person could do.

563 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:29:51pm

re: #553 Mad Al-Jaffee

Really? Do you mean the FBI tour? I thought they shut that down years ago.

No... it's something like the "National Firearms Museum", or some equally bland name. I'll have to look for it.

564 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:30:01pm

re: #547 Occasional Reader

Okay, that thing has started again where the control buttons jump around when I try to use them to do italics, bold, etc. Anyone else seeing that?

YES.

565 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:30:13pm

re: #539 Ay, Caramba

Off topic,
seriously, doesn't anyone have a gun or baseball bat?
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The turkey is a community organizer. /

566 turn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:30:42pm

re: #414 redstateredneck

Oww. I was trying to figure out if you could use episiotomy in a pun, but that would be quite a stretch.

I'm going to mark that pun red, too funny!

567 midwestgak  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:30:48pm

re: #561 Creeping Eruption

I thought the reproductive puns were ova. I guess I was wrong.

Don't egg me on.

568 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:30:54pm

And here I sit trying to work the term purple headed yogurt slinger into a pun.

569 Lincolntf  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:31:06pm

re: #554 WinterCat

Never. Being a Liberal means never having to say your sorry.

And this bunch is the sorriest lot I've ever seen.

570 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:31:09pm
571 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:31:14pm

re: #563 Occasional Reader

No... it's something like the "National Firearms Museum", or some equally bland name. I'll have to look for it.

I found it - it's in Fairfax. Probably part of NRA. I don't go to VA unless I have to. :)

572 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:31:44pm

re: #545 Eowyn2

hey, long time no see!

Baucus has another 4 years before his reelection and he one the last one with about 70%. The Chicago thugs can go piss up a rope.

573 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:31:48pm

re: #547 Occasional Reader

Okay, that thing has started again where the control buttons jump around when I try to use them to do italics, bold, etc. Anyone else seeing that?


Ease up on the booze. //

574 Spider Mensch  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:32:00pm

re: #554 WinterCat

I hope this comes out. This man's reputation has been impugned by Professor Gates, the mayor of Cambridge, the Gov of MA, and the President of the United States. When will their apology be forthcoming?

this will be off the msm radar so fast...everybody involved drops it within 48 hours or less...

575 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:32:20pm

re: #568 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And here I sit trying to work the term purple headed yogurt slinger into a pun.

Nice euphemism. Friend of mine uses the phrase "baby making man batter". He's a sick man at times.

576 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:32:25pm

re: #537 Occasional Reader

Good reminder... I've long meant to stop off there some day when I'm making the DC - NY run.

#544 Mad Al-Jaffee

Is that open to the public? I've never been there. Probably because Aberdeen is about an hour and a half away from home, and there are lots of other museums in DC and Baltimore.

It's open to the public free of charge every day except Fed holidays. It's a great collection that's worth the trip (about an hour+ from Philly), but the presentation leaves something to be desired. All of the armored vehicles are displayed outdoors, exposed to the elements & some are in rather rough condition. I even saw baby birds nesting in the sprocket wheel of a Panzer III! About half of the outdoor displays are unmarked, so even someone with a fair amount of knowledge on the subject like myself will be left wondering "What the hell is that?" There were no docents or tour guides at all when I visited. Most of the collection will be moved to Ft. Lee in 2011, hopefully it'll be better cared for there.

577 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:32:30pm

re: #528 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I visited the Army Ordnance Museum in Aberdeen MD over the weekend - you'd love their firearms display. Plus they have the smallest nuclear artillery system ever made, not quite your fantasy of a nuclear hand grenade, but close enough.

You mean this little darlin'? The M-388 Davy Crockett, for those who want to wage nuclear war on a budget.

Still not as fun as this.

578 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:32:31pm

re: #558 SasquatchOnSteroids

What deferens does it make ?

I misread your post on first glans.

579 J.S.  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:32:35pm

re: #562 BlueCanuck

yep. (suggesting that the car may have been pushed into the canal...I always find it amazing how some criminals believe others are sooo stupid...remember that first WTC bombing, and the fellow gets caught 'cause he wanted his deposit back on the rental van?)

580 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:32:40pm

This is great.

Henry Louis Gates Jr. speaks about economics and the roots of racism in a very short segment on with Tavis Smiley. It starts at 1:58 and runs less than a minute.

Youtube Video
581 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:33:19pm

re: #498 lawhawk

OT:
This is particularly rich. Apparently the police officer in the dustup with the Harvard Prof is a police academy lecturer on profiling.

Black students and professors at Harvard have complained for years about racial profiling by Cambridge and campus police. Harvard commissioned an independent committee last year to examine the university's race relations after campus police confronted a young black man who was using tools to remove a bike lock. The man worked at Harvard and owned the bike.

Sounds like Seattle, in any interaction between cops and blacks that becomes newsworthy cops are painted as the bad guys. They're have been several high profile shootings in the last few decades (included one falsely reported by Mary Mapes of Rathergate), and I can't remember one where the inquest jury didn't find it justified.

I look at situations like Cambridge and think to myself, there are certain community leaders who have a vested interest in fomenting just this type of conflict.

582 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:33:29pm

re: #571 Mad Al-Jaffee

I found it - it's in Fairfax. Probably part of NRA. I don't go to VA unless I have to. :)

That's a different one. The one I've been to is right smack in downtown DC.

583 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:33:35pm

re: #566 turn

I'm going to mark that pun red, too funny!

It ain't funny if you've ever experienced it.

584 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:34:03pm

re: #576 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Thanks! I'll have to check it out some time.

585 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:34:05pm

re: #552 MandyManners

These puns are making me testes.

You'll get ovary it.

586 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:34:10pm

re: #574 Spider Mensch

this will be off the msm radar so fast...everybody involved drops it within 48 hours or less...

Sadly, I think you are probably correct. It should be published far and wide. People need to be honest about what happened here.

587 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:34:18pm

re: #436 MandyManners

You should be swollen with pride for that pun!

Can I jump foot first into the breach or should I back in?

588 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:34:41pm

re: #577 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You mean this little darlin'? The M-388 Davy Crockett, for those who want to wage nuclear war on a budget.

Still not as fun as this.

Thank you - I knew it was David-something.

589 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:34:45pm

re: #576 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I even saw baby birds nesting in the sprocket wheel of a Panzer III!

"Zis is ze part on 'Sprockets' vere ve danz!"

590 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:35:04pm
591 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:35:49pm

re: #570 Iron Fist

Yeah. We have a couple of indoor ranges around. One real armory (they sold a .50 last year. Not a rifle, but an M2), and another gun shop. I could teach her the basics, but it is better if she learns them from someone else. That way I don't teach her my bad habbits.

My instructor was an NRA volunteer active Army. It was great. He understood how frightened I was the first time and didn't make me feel stupid. Told me if I wasn't I would soon be winning the Darwin award. And then he got me thru it.

Loved it, adored him. So, try the local chapter of the NRA maybe for instructors?

592 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:36:14pm

re: #578 redstateredneck

I misread your post on first glans.

Youse guys are stretching it, now. I almost regret getting the information about Aboriginal birth control via boring a hole in the penis.

I checked, and no evidence exists crediting Aboriginal prostitutes with originating the phrase 'whistle while you work.'

593 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:36:44pm

All these brilliant puns are wearing me down, feeling quite deflated.

594 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:37:22pm

re: #592 razorbacker

Youse guys are stretching it, now. I almost regret getting the information about Aboriginal birth control via boring a hole in the penis.

I checked, and no evidence exists crediting Aboriginal prostitutes with originating the phrase 'whistle while you work.'

Did Prince Albert tell you about that?

595 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:37:35pm

re: #593 MandyManners

All these brilliant puns are wearing me down, feeling quite deflated.

Aww, you need Enzyte!

596 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:37:47pm

re: #593 MandyManners

Come on. Stick it out a little longer.

597 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:38:02pm

re: #582 Occasional Reader

That's a different one. The one I've been to is right smack in downtown DC.

All of the google searches I've done lead me to the NRA one in Fairfax.

598 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:38:14pm

re: #594 Mad Al-Jaffee

Did Prince Albert tell you about that?


What a piercing wit you have!

599 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:38:39pm

re: #596 razorbacker

Come on. Stick it out a little longer.

Yeah, don't shaft us!

600 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:39:14pm

Parents, brother charged in 4 canal deaths

A Montreal couple and their son have been charged with first-degree murder and conspiracy to murder in the deaths of three sisters and an older female, police said Thursday in Kingston, Ont.

Zainab Shafia, 19, Sahar Shafia, 17, and Geeti Shafia, 13, were found with another woman, Rona Amir Mohammed, 50, in a car submerged in water at a Rideau Canal lock near Kingston last month.

Speaking during a news conference at Kingston Police headquarters, Insp. Brian Begbie said Mohammad Shafia, Tooba Yehya Mohammad and Hamid Mohammad Shafia have each been charged with four counts of first-degree murder and four counts of conspiracy to murder. They are being held while waiting for bail hearings.

The submerged black Nissan Sentra was discovered on June 30, the same day Mohammad Shafia went to the Kingston Police station to report his missing daughters, a woman he said was his 52-year-old cousin and his vehicle. He was accompanied by his wife and 18-year-old son, said police.

CBC is now reporting the story, and if you want to see the especially self-abasing species of moonbat that inhabits my country, then go and read the comments. Spit.

601 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:39:53pm

re: #527 jantjepietje

overhead costs etc are very very high?
although you spent a very large(i think the highest in the world) percentage of your gdp you only get health for a limited percentage of your population and you only get a limited amount of coverage for the people that do have health insurance

Gee, I wonder why so many people are flocking to the U.S. for health care?

Canadians have a problem getting prenatal care to the extent that they come here for it. Many come here for advanced surgeries. California is drowning in unpaid health care costs because people without coverage in other countries go there for care. In 2004, the last year for which numbers are available, 16% of our GDP went to health care.

Costs are contained everywhere through one mechanism or another. In all cases, part of that containment involves limiting of care. Economically, when there is unlimited demand and limited supply, prices will do nothing but rise whether the government, insurance companies, or individuals pay for it.

I'll put the quality and general availability of health care in this country up against that of any country in the world and find it, at worst, comparable.

602 wahabicorridor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:40:10pm

re: #576 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My husband was in taks when he was in the Army (Big Red One). When we were dating, he took me out to Aberdeen so I could see tanks. They were sitting on cement slabs outside with plaques on the slabs naming the tanks. (The Russian tanks from WW II were tres kewl.)

Anyhoo, there was one cement slab that was completely empty. The plaque said

STEALTH TANK

heh

603 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:40:22pm

re: #594 Mad Al-Jaffee

Did Prince Albert tell you about that?

Panhandler. I don't think that the Royals have fallen to panhandling, though my knowledge of royalty is sketchy, at best.

604 avanti  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:41:52pm

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

I have no dog in this fight. I have all the free health care I want, I make a lot of money ripping off dumb people who don't realize their antique soap box racing car is worth a fortune in Cuba and I pick up extra cash as an expert bingo player.

But, I still want to support my President.

I stepped out for a moment and missed this gem. That deserves a upding from the Bingo playing, soap box derby seller, whoever he is. :)

605 redstateredneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:42:47pm

re: #604 avanti

Walter was missing you, avanti!

606 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:43:01pm

re: #568 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And here I sit trying to work the term purple headed yogurt slinger into a pun.


good luck.

607 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:43:29pm

re: #563 Occasional Reader

No... it's something like the "National Firearms Museum", or some equally bland name. I'll have to look for it.

The National Firearms Museum is located at the NRA headquarters building in suburban VA.


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