Dr. David McKalip, a conservative activist and member of the American Medical Association’s House of Delegates, forwarded this disgusting picture to a tea party mailing list last Sunday, and was busted for it by Talking Points Memo: Conservative Activist Forwards Racist Pic Showing Obama As Witch Doctor.
Words fail me.
(Hat tip: Killgore.)
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:32:21pm |
I guess it shows how much respect he has for his own profession. What a tool.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:32:52pm |
People are nuts, granted.
But every once in a while, I wonder if the sheer ease of sending things over the internet doesn't lead to insanity getting exposed because someone didn't think it through?
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:33:39pm |
Real racism? Crickets.
A Harvard professor who is racist himself and gets arrested because of the way he acted, calling a policeman racist? Big news!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:33:58pm |
re: #4 Iron Fist
Words fail me. I don't see what is supposedly so bad about it. It is miles and miles less "racist" than many things the Left published about Condi Rice.
You don't see what's bad about that?
Wow.
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Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:33:58pm |
Who in their right mind could see this as a good idea? Fucking ignorant moron.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:34:12pm |
re: #2 Creeping Eruption
I guess it shows how much respect he has for his own profession. What a tool.
Now, if it had shown him nicely clothed - in a suit, say - but with a crystal in one hand and a bottle of distilled water in the other, would that have been equally racist? Or merely sharp-edged?
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:34:40pm |
re: #4 Iron Fist
Words fail me. I don't see what is supposedly so bad about it. It is miles and miles less "racist" than many things the Left published about Condi Rice.
I can't agree, entirely.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:35:14pm |
re: #8 Dianna
Now, if it had shown him nicely clothed - in a suit, say - but with a crystal in one hand and a bottle of distilled water in the other, would that have been equally racist? Or merely sharp-edged?
How about him as "Barry Hinn, Faith Healer"?
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:35:27pm |
This picture is beyond the pale..
So this is how the grown ups act when out of power?
I'm not impressed
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:36:58pm |
re: #8 Dianna
Now, if it had shown him nicely clothed - in a suit, say - but with a crystal in one hand and a bottle of distilled water in the other, would that have been equally racist? Or merely sharp-edged?
Frankly, I think this type of thing is in the eye of the beholder. I find the pic above offensive. Iron Fist does not. In your example, I guess I would need to see the pick. However, your example would still lead me to leave the same comment: He obviously has little respect for his own profession to debase it in such a fasion.
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:37:04pm |
Note to GOP: lowering yourself to the level of Bush Derangement Syndrome is not a good strategy for winning the hearts and minds of the American people. A tin ear towards racial sensitivity is bonus stupidity.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:37:17pm |
What. The. Frak!
Seriously, you can ridicule Obama and his health care folly. You can lambaste him. You can fricassee his policies for their bogus assumptions about the economy and how the economy will grow to make the numbers come out the way Obama wants 'em (even though the CBO shows that the numbers still don't add up).
You can say he's a liar for going back on his no tax pledges. Now, instead of no new taxes, it's just that the taxes on everyone wont be nearly as bad as the taxes he's looking to hike on the rich (which keeps being defined down).
Heck, you can even ridicule the extravagant tastes Michelle has in her clothes, but that photo edit goes over the top. It's just wrong.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:37:23pm |
I'm just back from vacation today, and this is the first thing I see?
It's the type of crude racism I'd expect to see posted on a neo nazi web site, not by any man or woman with enough education that they've earned the title "Doctor" before their name.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:37:33pm |
It's racist, it's dumb, and it even manages to entirely miss the point.
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HelloDare Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:38:21pm |
Henry Louis Gates Jr. speaks about economics and the roots of racism in a very short segment on with Tavis Smiley. It starts at 1:50 and runs less than a minute.
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ctrlL Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:38:38pm |
re: #4 Iron Fist
Words fail me. I don't see what is supposedly so bad about it. It is miles and miles less "racist" than many things the Left published about Condi Rice.
You know, I am in total agreement. This is a picture of a tribal doctor that represents the country of O's father and is attempting to show that our country's medical care is about to take a giant step backward to 3rd world status thanks to the O's mis-diagnosis.
Nothing wrong with this pic at all, imho.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:38:52pm |
You sure this didn't come from the depths of Stormfront?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:38:58pm |
Who would even think that this is appropriate?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:39:48pm |
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capitalist piglet Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:39:52pm |
re: #21 MandyManners
Who would even think that this is appropriate?
A tone-deaf asshole, who will probably, when confronted, INSIST that he isn't a racist.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:40:04pm |
re: #4 Iron Fist
Words fail me. I don't see what is supposedly so bad about it. It is miles and miles less "racist" than many things the Left published about Condi Rice.
It is every bit as racist as the cartoons the Left published about Condi. In some ways it is more racist because Conservatives are supposed to know better.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:40:29pm |
Mock his politics, mock his ears, mock his narcissism--there are many things to mock him about. Use your brain--racism is chickenshit.
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saylorfam Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:40:44pm |
The picture is stupid and does nothing to bolster his case. If anything it just takes away from any credability he had.
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:41:03pm |
Can one of our artistic Lizards draw me a cartoon of Dr. Obama in scrubs looking at all of the goo and parts inside a surgical incision on a body labeled US Health Care, and commenting "who knew it was this complex?" Nanci Pelosi can be the anesthesiologist.
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WinterCat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:41:08pm |
I agree. This is an offensive picture. And it just diminishes any valid criticisms that are made about Obama. The person who created this knew exactly what they were doing. What a moron.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:41:11pm |
re: #4 Iron Fist
We'll just have to disagree on this one.
And just because some leftist wingnuts published racist cartoons about Condi Rice, that doesn't even begin to justify this.
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:41:11pm |
re: #4 Iron Fist
Words fail me. I don't see what is supposedly so bad about it. It is miles and miles less "racist" than many things the Left published about Condi Rice.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:41:14pm |
Man that picture is so far off the rails it's in the stations parking lot. Pick apart his policies, attack his attitudes, berate him for what he says. He has given us so much to use that such idiocy should never be considered.
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capitalist piglet Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:41:53pm |
re: #24 Alouette
It is every bit as racist as the cartoons the Left published about Condi. In some ways it is more racist because Conservatives are supposed to know better.
The Left is supposed to know better too, right? Shouldn't everyone know better?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:42:24pm |
re: #22 Charles
Take a look at this thread.
I see Iron Fist saying it's not as bad as the stuff the Left pulled on Condoleeza Rice but that's all I see.
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StillAMarine Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:42:46pm |
Why does it seem as though a small group of anti-leftists always shoot themselves in the foot, with the ricochet hitting the rest of us? I put creationists in the same group of saboteurs.
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:42:55pm |
re: #35 MandyManners
I see Iron Fist saying it's not as bad as the stuff the Left pulled on Condoleeza Rice but that's all I see.
#19 Mandy...
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:43:14pm |
The photo does favor him with good legs, though.
/
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Rexatosis Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:43:32pm |
crude, not my cup of tea, but it is on point with the political topic of the day.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:43:42pm |
re: #28 DaddyG
Can one of our artistic Lizards draw me a cartoon of Dr. Obama in scrubs looking at all of the goo and parts inside a surgical incision on a body labeled US Health Care, and commenting "who knew it was this complex?" Nanci Pelosi can be the anesthesiologist.
Been done by quite a few political cartoonists. Even Day by Day did one. Sunday cartoon.
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:43:53pm |
re: #36 StillAMarine
Why does it seem as though a small group of anti-leftists always shoot themselves in the foot, with the ricochet hitting the rest of us? I put creationists in the same group of saboteurs.
I think a young earth creationist would identify with the witch doctor. //
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velsin Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:43:58pm |
This picture is ignorant, racist, and should be condemned. Frankly, this type of racism is the easier kind to spot and remove from our society. On the other hand, the type of racism exhibited by people like Rep. Barbara Boxer recently during her discussions with the Black Chamber of Commerce CeO is the more malicious type, and the kind which will not go away very easily.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:44:01pm |
re: #19 ctrlL
I agree to a point but, it's still racist bullshit.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:44:24pm |
I'm not going to pronounce guilt by association on those tea party attendees who received this mailing from Mckalip, but it does say SOMETHING that the person sending it felt those who were going to see it may not have any issue with its implications.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:44:38pm |
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Lee Coller Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:45:03pm |
re: #38 Occasional Reader
The photo does favor him with good legs, though.
/
No, this photo distracts from the real issues.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:45:27pm |
re: #23 capitalist piglet
A tone-deaf asshole, who will probably, when confronted, INSIST that he isn't a racist.
Wouldn't fly with me. I look at deeds, and this deed is dastardly.
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:45:28pm |
re: #40 BlueCanuck
Brilliant - I love that cartoon. I'm about two months behind from lack of checking in.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:45:33pm |
re: #36 StillAMarine
Why does it seem as though a small group of anti-leftists always shoot themselves in the foot, with the ricochet hitting the rest of us? I put creationists in the same group of saboteurs.
Because we haven't kicked them to the curb, that's why.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:45:40pm |
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wahabicorridor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:45:45pm |
re: #19 ctrlL
You know, I am in total agreement. This is a picture of a tribal doctor that represents the country of O's father and is attempting to show that our country's medical care is about to take a giant step backward to 3rd world status thanks to the O's mis-diagnosis.
Nothing wrong with this pic at all, imho.
I think you and Iron Fist both have a point.
And it's BESIDE the point. Anyone who could not anticipate how this is most likely going to be construed - regardless of intent - is too stupid to be practicing medicine.
Now I've gotta run.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:45:49pm |
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nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:45:51pm |
re: #38 Occasional Reader
The photo does favor him with good legs, though.
/
Well at least he doesn't have his momma jeans on
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:45:52pm |
re: #33 capitalist piglet
The Left is supposed to know better too, right? Shouldn't everyone know better?
Right!
I regret I have only one upding to give.
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Lee Coller Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:46:27pm |
re: #50 Occasional Reader
Did you notice my sarc tag?
Actually I did, but I don't think this is an appropriate place for sarcasm either.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:46:52pm |
I'm disgusted.
But for the clueless, let's examine this on a purely practical level. This is so not helpful. The GOP woke to a world in which they were handed a small opening, and by afternoon saw it widen to delays in the health care vote in both houses - a gift from the heavens, in political terms, a sure indicator that the Dems are fracturing and unable to rope together their own party, and invaluable time handed to them to pitch their own alternatives while hammering away at the current proposal in all it's excrutiating details.
Then some moron comes up with this. Guess what's going to be the lead story on every media outlet for the next week? Your choices: the GOP's strident assault on the disastrous health care bill; or an overtly racist photoshop of the President of the United States created by the leader of a Conservative activist group. Does it take even three brain cells to figure out how this is going to play?
Unbelievable. Someone hands us an opportunity to defeat nationalized health care on a silver platter, and we wind up honking a big ol' loogey on it.
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JammieWearingFool Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:46:59pm |
There's more than enough to laugh at Obama about. Something like this is just incredibly stupid.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:47:00pm |
re: #56 Lee Coller
Actually I did, but I don't think this is an appropriate place for sarcasm either.
I think it's fine to mock racism.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:47:13pm |
re: #51 wahabicorridor
Anyone who could not anticipate how this is most likely going to be construed - regardless of intent - is too stupid to be practicing
medicinepolitics.
Both are true.
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:47:26pm |
re: #39 Rexatosis
crude, not my cup of tea, but it is on point with the political topic of the day.
This is on topic? You call this political discourse? This is your vision of America?
This is how the right fights the good fight?
F you if you believe this
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:47:29pm |
re: #49 Sharmuta
Because we haven't kicked them to the curb, that's why.
And I'm still, as always, a little unclear as to what exactly we're supposed to do along those lines, that we're not actually doing right now, at this very moment.
I don't know Dr. David McKalip, had never heard of him before this thread, I've never backed him in any way on any statement he's ever made. So how am I supposed to "kick him to the curb"? He never spoke for me in the first place.
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:47:48pm |
re: #39 Rexatosis
No, if the creator of that racists photoshop wanted to be on-topic, he could have dressed Obama up like Karl Marx to underline Obama's ideological lineage. Making reference to his race is intellectually irrelevant and morally offensive.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:47:50pm |
re: #21 MandyManners
Who would even think that this is appropriate?
Someone that is so intent on showing the stupidity of the proposed changes to our health care system that they completely miss the racism of showing a black man as a backward savage.
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Semper Gumbi Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:47:50pm |
Umm, I think someone posted this picture in the spin-off links yesterday or the day before. I don't recall any outrage then. Is the outrage as much because some leftist site has called attention to the picture, as the racist imagry of the picture?
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StillAMarine Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:47:51pm |
re: #41 DaddyG
The young earth creationist may identify with the witch doctor, but that is an insult to witch doctors.
Many times witch doctors are not well educated, but very wise. Creationists are stupid, ignorant, and manifestly not wise.
Back on topic -- there is no place for stupid and bigoted pictures as this.
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J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:47:58pm |
re: #44 _RememberTonyC
Apparently, David McKalip (a doctor himself), posted the picture in a "forum" -- on a Listserv -- it wasn't through email. The doctor claims he doesn't know who did the picture, but he found it "funny." (too stupid and pathetic. I expect better).
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:48:00pm |
re: #44 _RememberTonyC
I'm not going to pronounce guilt by association on those tea party attendees who received this mailing from Mckalip, but it does say SOMETHING that the person sending it felt those who were going to see it may not have any issue with its implications.
Well, it will show them who they're associating with.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:48:12pm |
re: #56 Lee Coller
Actually I did, but I don't think this is an appropriate place for sarcasm either.
Whatever.
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capitalist piglet Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:48:16pm |
re: #47 MandyManners
Wouldn't fly with me. I look at deeds, and this deed is dastardly.
It wouldn't fly with me either, but I have confronted people I know in real life on their "tee hee ha ha" racism, and they almost always adamantly insist they're not racists at all.
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JarHeadLifer Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:48:22pm |
re: #19 ctrlL
You know, I am in total agreement. This is a picture of a tribal doctor that represents the country of O's father and is attempting to show that our country's medical care is about to take a giant step backward to 3rd world status thanks to the O's mis-diagnosis.
Nothing wrong with this pic at all, imho.
I wish someone could show be the book that tells us what are the appropriate caricatures of our first black president. We saw Bush portrayed as everything ranging from a monkey to Adolph Hitler. And yet, those are all appropriate expressions of civil unease and criticism - downright patriotic. But, every biting piece of political humor that is uncomfortable or edgy, is labeled "racist". How convenient.
Political speech and especially political satire and humor is uncomfortable, at least that's what I'm told when there's a Republican in the White House.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:48:24pm |
Not a single person on that mailing list apparently objected to this. It had to be brought to the surface by a leftist website.
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Captain Amercia Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:48:39pm |
re: #58 JammieWearingFool
There's more than enough to laugh at Obama about. Something like this is just incredibly stupid.
You can laugh at his rambling press conference last night, but this is just plain stupid.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:48:43pm |
re: #63 Kenneth
No, if the creator of that racists photoshop wanted to be on-topic, he could have dressed Obama up like Karl Marx to underline Obama's ideological lineage. Making reference to his race is intellectually irrelevant and morally offensive.
DING! DING! DING!
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Eowyn2 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:48:48pm |
Although this is offensive, I would say that it is no more offensive or racist than Obama's speech last night.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:49:22pm |
re: #65 Semper Gumbi
Umm, I think someone posted this picture in the spin-off links yesterday or the day before. I don't recall any outrage then. Is the outrage as much because some leftist site has called attention to the picture, as the racist imagry of the picture?
Yeah, we're all frickkin' hypocrites, except for you, of course.
Gosh... or maybe it's because far fewer people read the spinoff links? Nah, that couldn't be it.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:49:53pm |
re: #68 Dianna
Well, it will show them who they're associating with.
I'd block that stupid, little fucker from my e-address.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:49:59pm |
re: #59 MandyManners
I think it's fine to mock racism.
/I don't think this is mock-racism though. This is the real thing.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:50:14pm |
re: #28 DaddyG
Can one of our artistic Lizards draw me a cartoon of Dr. Obama in scrubs looking at all of the goo and parts inside a surgical incision on a body labeled US Health Care, and commenting "who knew it was this complex?" Nanci Pelosi can be the anesthesiologist.
Check out Daryl Cagle Cartoons and you will see a bunch of them
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Captain Amercia Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:50:50pm |
re: #78 MandyManners
I'd block that stupid, little fucker from my e-address.
It is what the Spam file is for - nonsense like that photo.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:51:02pm |
re: #64 CyanSnowHawk
Someone that is so intent on showing the stupidity of the proposed changes to our health care system that they completely miss the racism of showing a black man as a backward savage.
Don't tell the Foundation for Shamanic Studies that a witch doctor is a backward savage! They're actually tapped in to deep, universal wisdom!
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:51:04pm |
The way we kick this stuff to the curb is exactly what we are doing here and on other new media sources all over. Face it- the MSM state media is going to play up the worst charactures of conservatism, and idiotic moves like this one will keep the pipeline full of stories. The only way to counter is by shouting this crap down whenever it comes to light. Let these folks know that we are not amused and not impressed.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:51:04pm |
re: #65 Semper Gumbi
Umm, I think someone posted this picture in the spin-off links yesterday or the day before. I don't recall any outrage then. Is the outrage as much because some leftist site has called attention to the picture, as the racist imagry of the picture?
Please show me where that spinoff is posted. Whoever put that crap on my site is going to lose their account.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:51:18pm |
re: #70 capitalist piglet
It wouldn't fly with me either, but I have confronted people I know in real life on their "tee hee ha ha" racism, and they almost always adamantly insist they're not racists at all.
I'm always a turd in the punchbowl if people try to say racist crap around me. I've been called humorless and rude but, I always come back with, "Well, I'm not the one saying racist shit." Then, I leave.
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:51:29pm |
re: #72 Charles
Not a single person on that mailing list apparently objected to this. It had to be brought to the surface by a leftist website.
Hmm...interesting point I hadn't really thought about. Every once in awhile, I'll get something stupid or offensive from folks here who have too much time on their hands, and not enough oxygen in their heads. I just delete them as soon as they arrive. I think you're right - and I need to start responding with why I find crap like that offensive.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:51:40pm |
re: #63 Kenneth
he could have dressed Obama up like Karl Marx
I don't think there's really a readily-identifiable Karl Marx "look", in terms of clothing.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:51:57pm |
re: #39 Rexatosis
There is such a thing as letting your message get swamped by the means of delivering it. The message in this picture is completely drowned.
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Semper Gumbi Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:52:34pm |
re: #76 Occasional Reader
...or maybe it's because far fewer people read the spinoff links? Nah, that couldn't be it.
Actually, I think that is exactly the case. Wish I could remember who or where the link came from.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:53:08pm |
Charles,
Here's something that doesn't quite make sense.
Dr. David McKalip, a conservative activist and member of the American Medical Association’s House of Delegates. The AMA backs Obamacare. They're getting $245 billion - give or take a billion or two - in givebacks to cover costs (or so they claim) when everything switches over to Obamacare.
Why is he pushing this nonsense? What about the rest of the AMA House of Delegates? Did no one else there have an issue?
And now that it's been outed by a leftist site, this will become the face of the opposition of Obamacare, and not people who have been trying to kill the Obamacare because it makes no sense economically.
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:53:16pm |
re: #86 subsailor68
Oops! By "folks here" I mean in our town, not here at LGF. (Sorry.)
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J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:53:19pm |
re: #77 Iron Fist
apparently, it was from a Google listserv -- it's not "private" - you can never know who's on the list...
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:53:28pm |
re: #77 Iron Fist
I agree. My point in posting the picture was to show that it goes both ways and neither is acceptable.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:53:39pm |
re: #72 Charles
Not a single person on that mailing list apparently objected to this. It had to be brought to the surface by a leftist website.
To be absolutely fair: I'm on a lot of mailing lists, and half the time, I delete stuff without even giving it a cursory glance. This is particularly true if I don't recognize the name of the sender.
Perhaps the majority did what I do all too often?
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:53:50pm |
re: #75 Eowyn2
Although this is offensive, I would say that it is no more offensive or racist than Obama's speech last night.
Obama's speech was racist?!
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velsin Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:54:00pm |
re: #88 Iron Fist
Durbin's remarks were frankly so beyond the pale that I think he must have been talked to by quite a number of people in power and he toned down the rhetoric immediately.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:54:10pm |
re: #30 Occasional Reader
We'll just have to disagree on this one.
And just because some leftist wingnuts published racist cartoons about Condi Rice, that doesn't even begin to justify this.
Quite Concur. This photoshopping is far beyond the pale. It attacks Obama not for his ideas, but for the color of his skin. Its a hateful attack of the kind that black people in this country once received on a regular basis. For that reason alone it should be condemned, for it must be made crystal clear that America will never tolerate this sort of attack again.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:54:46pm |
re: #96 Dianna
To be absolutely fair: I'm on a lot of mailing lists, and half the time, I delete stuff without even giving it a cursory glance. This is particularly true if I don't recognize the name of the sender.
Perhaps the majority did what I do all too often?
Or, perhaps the idiot got a bunch of angry responses.
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haavamaal Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:54:48pm |
Good lord this is not racist unless its intent is to be racist. It is making a point that this is a voodoo health plan at most. Certainly people will be offended by it, because everyone is offended by anything these days.
Personally I think it is in bad taste, but the same could be said of many depictions of Bush/Cheney/Rice ...
Do I get offended when someone calls me a cracker, no. Why, because I give a rats ass what they think of me. Are they racist? wtf do I care if they are or are not.
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Captain Amercia Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:55:03pm |
re: #99 velsin
Durbin's remarks were frankly so beyond the pale that I think he must have been talked to by quite a number of people in power and he toned down the rhetoric immediately.
And you have a better chance of seeing Helen Thomas on the cover of Cosmo than seeing Dick Durbin step down.
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:55:47pm |
re: #96 Dianna
To be absolutely fair: I'm on a lot of mailing lists, and half the time, I delete stuff without even giving it a cursory glance. This is particularly true if I don't recognize the name of the sender.
Perhaps the majority did what I do all too often?
Hi Dianna! GMTA...that's exactly what I do too - and yep, especially if I don't know the sender.
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:55:52pm |
re: #85 MandyManners
I'm always a turd in the punchbowl if people try to say racist crap around me. I've been called humorless and rude but, I always come back with, "Well, I'm not the one saying racist shit." Then, I leave.
I love you...You are so cool...I love your views...I can't donate a 1000 updings..only one..But if I could...I would.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:56:30pm |
re: #72 Charles
I agree 100% ... and my point in post #44 was that the sender of the photo clearly believed that the tea party people would find it not only acceptable, but funny.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:56:49pm |
re: #103 haavamaal
Good lord this is not racist unless its intent is to be racist. It is making a point that this is a voodoo health plan at most. Certainly people will be offended by it, because everyone is offended by anything these days.
Personally I think it is in bad taste, but the same could be said of many depictions of Bush/Cheney/Rice ...
Do I get offended when someone calls me a cracker, no. Why, because I give a rats ass what they think of me. Are they racist? wtf do I care if they are or are not.
What the fuck are you talking about? THIS IS RACIST. It doesn't matter if anyone else has been attacked in such a manner, this is racist.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:56:52pm |
re: #103 haavamaal
Good lord this is not racist unless its intent is to be racist.
Interesting standard for racism.
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:57:10pm |
re: #57 SixDegrees
It may be a bit of a stretch, but did Obama perfectly play his opponents on this? By using his "health care" press conference last night to dredge up an image of racism, then as if on cue, some nut jumps in with both feet by sending this cartoon around. Perfect one-two punch.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:57:23pm |
re: #109 MandyManners
You are so much more eloquent than I...
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nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:57:42pm |
re: #105 Iron Fist
You never really know what is "private". I could tell you a story, but I won't here. It is private, didn't happen to me, but you can never be sure whom you can trust.
Trust but verify
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:57:44pm |
re: #102 MandyManners
Or, perhaps the idiot got a bunch of angry responses.
I could actually see that happening. I'd hope it would.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:58:11pm |
re: #77 Iron Fist
It is a lot less offensive than what the NAACP ran against Bush in 2000, where they basically accused him of participating in the lynching of James Byrd. The Left have this kind of shit all over them. This is really nothing compared to what they have done.
It does illustrate one thing. Never send anything in email that you don't want to see discussed all over the Web.
I agree that it is less offensive than the lynching ad, but it is still very bad and utterly unacceptable. Both ads should held up as examples of racially inflammatory speech, and such speech should not be uttered. Those who utter such should be shunned (but not prosecuted).
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:58:12pm |
re: #62 Occasional Reader
And I'm still, as always, a little unclear as to what exactly we're supposed to do along those lines, that we're not actually doing right now, at this very moment.
I don't know Dr. David McKalip, had never heard of him before this thread, I've never backed him in any way on any statement he's ever made. So how am I supposed to "kick him to the curb"? He never spoke for me in the first place.
As I said last night- the answer is beyond the means of one person. Don't look at me for an answer to the kook problem on the right because I can't do it alone. Everyone needs to ask themselves what they can do about the kooks in the GOP and figure out for themselves how they can contribute to fixing this.
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Emmett Flatus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:58:20pm |
So, the proposed health policy revisions, whatever they are, really aren't voodoo?
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:58:28pm |
re: #82 Dianna
Don't tell the Foundation for Shamanic Studies that a witch doctor is a backward savage! They're actually tapped in to deep, universal wisdom!
Wesley Mouch might buy that, I don't.
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Captain Amercia Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:58:31pm |
re: #115 Dianna
I could actually see that happening. I'd hope it would.
He may be the jerkass of the e-mail string. The one everyone groans over when he hits "Send."
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:58:35pm |
If someone wants to say that FCBBHO's economics are "vodoo economics" in the way that Pres. Reagan's economics were attacked I'd have no problem.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:58:43pm |
re: #108 _RememberTonyC
I agree 100% ... and my point in post #44 was that the sender of the photo clearly believed that the tea party people would find it not only acceptable, but funny.
This is what always disturbs me. We have a bumbling President who is actively running this country into the ground and digging himself deeper every time he opens his voluminous mouth, and yet there are a growing number of IDIOTS who think swerving so far to the right that they fall off the edge of the map is the answer. In the end, the GOP is going to wind up costing themselves a golden opportunity to restore sanity and prosperity to the country, because they threw both out of their own party!
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Wendya Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:58:43pm |
re: #19 ctrlL
You know, I am in total agreement. This is a picture of a tribal doctor that represents the country of O's father and is attempting to show that our country's medical care is about to take a giant step backward to 3rd world status thanks to the O's mis-diagnosis.
Nothing wrong with this pic at all, imho.
It's no more appropriate than photoshopping his face onto a lawn jockey statue. It brings race into the equation and this healthcare fiasco has nothing to do with Obama's heritage.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:59:01pm |
re: #72 Charles
Not a single person on that mailing list apparently objected to this. It had to be brought to the surface by a leftist website.
what are you basing this statement on? Someone on the left received that picture and the alleged history behind it from someone on the tea party mailing list or their friend or their friend or their friend.
When I object to an email sent to me, I do not call the press nor do I pass on the image. I simply delete it and move on to the next.
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:59:17pm |
Charles, I'd take that pic down.
Link only with disclaimer.
No need to show it.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:59:19pm |
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Buck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:59:21pm |
I am not sure it is a good idea to post the picture. Just the description would have sufficed for the news worthiness.
Posting the picture just might be feeding the trolls.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:59:44pm |
OT (but we're over 100 posts)
The "moderates" speak:
Fatah: No Recognition of Israel – Ever
Senior members of Fatah have announced that their group will never recognize Israel, and will continue to call for war against Israel. “Fatah does not recognize Israel's right to exist, nor have we ever asked others to do so,” said senior Fatah member Rafik Natsheh, a close associate of Palestinian Authority (PA) Chairman Mahmoud Abbas.
And Israel is supposed to appease these people?
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J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 12:59:45pm |
re: #105 Iron Fist
Over a decade ago I subscribed to ListServs (way, way back)...but, you know, the kind of junk -- puerile, racist, offensive, you name it -- the bad stuff outweighed any value whatsoever (i stopped subscribing)...(but that doesn't excuse someone -- and a doctor -- from forwarding crap like this around. There's no excuse for it...but, I suspect, he forwarded it to X number of people who probably weren't "friends")
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:00:00pm |
re: #115 Dianna
I could actually see that happening. I'd hope it would.
I would have verbally ripped his head off and shoved it up his butt. I might even consider reporting him to my ISP.
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nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:00:08pm |
I'm ashamed at the posters in this thread. You are all racists.
See, by calling this picture racist, you are implyng that there is anything to be ashamed of in the dress of traditionally African and other Native cultures. The really offensive thing is the insistance that minorities must accomadate themselves to your hegemonic forms of dress and personal expression.
/sarc
Yeah this is stupid, but partly because we're over sensitive as a culture. Witch Doctors are a traditional caricature of very primitive medicine, who happen to come from a culture that Obama superficially resembles because of this skin tone. Obama wants to change our medicine practice in ways that will likely reduce the quality. Hence there is a non-racial explantion, even if, again, it was very stupid due to appearances. A less easy pic, but one without the nasty overtones, would be one of Obama like an old huckster, as in the NRO editorial today.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:00:12pm |
re: #118 Emmett Flatus
So, the proposed health policy revisions, whatever they are, really aren't voodoo?
No, they really aren't voodoo. They're quasi-socialistic, and bad ideas, but no, they're not voodoo. And the "artist" here knew exactly what racial-stereotype buttons he was trying to hit. If you don't get that, I don't know what to say.
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Captain Amercia Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:00:24pm |
re: #130 MandyManners
I would have verbally ripped his head off and shoved it up his butt. I might even consider reporting him to my ISP.
I would like to see that!
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:00:51pm |
re: #125 IslandLibertarian
Charles, I'd take that pic down.
Link only with disclaimer.
No need to show it.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
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nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:01:03pm |
re: #128 Kosh's Shadow
OT (but we're over 100 posts)
The "moderates" speak:
Fatah: No Recognition of Israel – Ever
And Israel is supposed to appease these people?
And don't forget no new bathrooms either!
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:01:04pm |
re: #110 wrenchwench
Interesting standard for racism.
People have been accused of racism who hadn't the faintest idea that their utterance could be considered racist. So a certain amount of slack in re: intentions is acceptable.
But I agree that this particular photoshop is racist, and if Makilip didn't realize it was, he's blind and deaf to pretty obvious implications.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:01:06pm |
-4Comment rated by: LillyWhitePosted by: haavamaal in article: Disgusting Racist of the Day
Good lord this is not racist unless its intent is to be racist. It is making a point that this is a voodoo health plan at most. Certainly people will be offended by it, because everyone is offended...
Now there's an interesting nic...
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haavamaal Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:01:09pm |
re: #109 MandyManners
You have got to be kidding me. Was MLK racist when he referred to "African Americans" as Negro? Is my 97 yr old grandmother racist when she referrs to "colored people"? Intent and or perception is everything.
You think its racist so to you it is. To me its not. Its all a matter of perspective. This is not a black and white issue (excuse the pun)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:01:36pm |
re: #114 nevergiveup
Trust but verify
One of Ronald Reagan's wise sayings. Pity that Obama lacks Reagan's wit and wisdom, since Reagan was an expert at humorously deflecting vile attacks.
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Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:01:39pm |
re: #128 Kosh's Shadow
OT (but we're over 100 posts)
The "moderates" speak:
Fatah: No Recognition of Israel – Ever
And Israel is supposed to appease these people?
appease, no. Deal with them, yes.
Of course, my plans on how to deal with them might not coincide with other people's plans.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:01:58pm |
re: #122 thedopefishlives
This is what always disturbs me. We have a bumbling President who is actively running this country into the ground and digging himself deeper every time he opens his voluminous mouth, and yet there are a growing number of IDIOTS who think swerving so far to the right that they fall off the edge of the map is the answer. In the end, the GOP is going to wind up costing themselves a golden opportunity to restore sanity and prosperity to the country, because they threw both out of their own party!
well said
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shortshrift Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:01:58pm |
What is funny is the following addition to the article:
"Late Update: An emailer points us to a picture of a Papua New Guinea tribesman wearing identical head-dress, feathers, and clothes to the man in the image forwarded by McKalip. So that suggests that McKalip's image was based on a Papua New Guinean, rather than an African. But it seems unlikely that McKalip himself was aware of this when he forwarded the email. It was he who first used the term "witch doctor" in our phone interview, and he didn't quibble with our suggestion that the image played on stereotypes of Africans."
So, depicting Obama as Papua New Guinean witchdoctor is not as racist as depicting him as an African witchdoctor? I love the idea the writer has that McKalip could defend himself by saying - "Obama is partially African, and this witchdoctor is Papuan, so I am not being anti-African." Who is racist now?
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:02:07pm |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:02:07pm |
re: #138 haavamaal
I'm sorry... what?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:02:19pm |
re: #131 nikis-knight
I'm ashamed at the posters in this thread. You are all racists.
See, by calling this picture racist, you are implyng that there is anything to be ashamed of in the dress of traditionally African and other Native cultures. The really offensive thing is the insistance that minorities must accomadate themselves to your hegemonic forms of dress and personal expression.
/sarc
Yeah this is stupid, but partly because we're over sensitive as a culture. Witch Doctors are a traditional caricature of very primitive medicine, who happen to come from a culture that Obama superficially resembles because of this skin tone. Obama wants to change our medicine practice in ways that will likely reduce the quality. Hence there is a non-racial explantion, even if, again, it was very stupid due to appearances. A less easy pic, but one without the nasty overtones, would be one of Obama like an old huckster, as in the NRO editorial today.
I love that cartoon. It gets the point across without stooping to racism.
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amir Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:02:20pm |
Do I understand this story correctly?
From what I understand this doctor got a e-mail, thought it was funny, and forwarded it to all his friends. Is that right? Because if that's the whole story then it's the biggest non-story I've seen yet. Big deal. I get sexist, racist e-mails all the time that someone thought was funny. I usually don't forward them unless they are really funny, but really people, get real. What's the big deal? Or has the thought police gotten to our e-mails too.
Of course, if I got the story wrong, then never mind.
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mockery jones Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:02:24pm |
tasteless ? absolutely.
racist? more in the eye of the beholder than anything else.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:02:37pm |
re: #87 Occasional Reader
I don't think there's really a readily-identifiable Karl Marx "look", in terms of clothing.
Perhaps Stalin's 'look' is more noticible but that would be comparing Obama to Stalin and that would be pathetic as they are definately not interchangeable.
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:02:42pm |
Family members charged with murder in submerged car case
The Globe & Mail is reporting the story, but they have closed the comments:
Comments have been disabled
Editor's Note: Comments have been closed on this story because an overwhelming number of readers were making offensive statements about other commenters and/or the individual or individuals mentioned in the story. That kind of behaviour is a breach of our commenting policy, and so the comment function has been turned off. We appreciate your understanding.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:02:46pm |
re: #96 Dianna
To be absolutely fair: I'm on a lot of mailing lists, and half the time, I delete stuff without even giving it a cursory glance. This is particularly true if I don't recognize the name of the sender.
Perhaps the majority did what I do all too often?
Listservs are so '90's
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:02:48pm |
re: #128 Kosh's Shadow
OT (but we're over 100 posts)
The "moderates" speak:
Fatah: No Recognition of Israel – Ever
This is all the fault of that Jew who finished adding a rumpus room to his house in the West Bank last week. Settlement expansion!
/
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nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:02:50pm |
re: #140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
appease, no. Deal with them, yes.
Of course, my plans on how to deal with them might not coincide with other people's plans.
I think it would with mine
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:02:54pm |
re: #125 IslandLibertarian
Charles, I'd take that pic down.
Link only with disclaimer.
No need to show it.
No, it needs to be seen. Hate must be exposed and confronted.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:03:07pm |
re: #117 Sharmuta
First, I'd have to actually meet one of the kooks on the right. Somehow, the Paulians flee before me, and the wilder-eyed nuts shut up after my second sentence.
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descolada9 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:03:10pm |
Would the collective idiots of the world please stay off of the internet??
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Captain Amercia Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:03:45pm |
re: #157 descolada9
Would the collective idiots of the world please stay off of the internet??
I think it's a little late for that.
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AG in Houston Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:03:49pm |
The hatred is unbearable already.
This is disgusting beyond belief.
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Wendya Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:03:52pm |
re: #110 wrenchwench
Interesting standard for racism.
If it had been a picture with Pelosi's face, people probably wouldn't react to it the same way. Using Obama's face opens a door best left closed.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:04:07pm |
re: #119 CyanSnowHawk
Wesley Mouch might buy that, I don't.
Neither do I. It's hysterically funny, though.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:04:11pm |
re: #128 Kosh's Shadow
OT (but we're over 100 posts)
The "moderates" speak:
Fatah: No Recognition of Israel – Ever
And Israel is supposed to appease these people?
No, Israel is supposed to apologize and jump into the sea.
I'm surprised this was even published.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:04:18pm |
re: #138 haavamaal
You have got to be kidding me. Was MLK racist when he referred to "African Americans" as Negro? Is my 97 yr old grandmother racist when she referrs to "colored people"? Intent and or perception is everything.
You think its racist so to you it is. To me its not. Its all a matter of perspective. This is not a black and white issue (excuse the pun)
Those terms are largely a function of their place in history. That has NOTHING to do with photoshopping FCBBHO's head onto an African dressed up as a vodoo doctor. To me, that cheap shot is the visual equivalent of the "N" word.
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:04:38pm |
re: #103 haavamaal
Good lord this is not racist unless its intent is to be racist.
Not true. Most racism comes from ignorance and being ignorant isn't a free pass for offending others.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:04:59pm |
re: #125 IslandLibertarian
Charles, I'd take that pic down.
Link only with disclaimer.
No need to show it.
I disagree. This picture needs to be seen.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:05:27pm |
Will the messiah manage to lose 2 wars, wreck the economy, sell out Israel, turn Latin America over to Marxist thugs; and STILL win in 2012?
With this kind of "opposition" growing, he will.
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lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:05:29pm |
Mark Buehrle is 8 innings into a perfect game. ESPN will show the 9th inning live momentarily. I believe there are a few White Sox fans who come here. If xo, good luck.
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Racer X Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:05:39pm |
Were the horrible pictures of John Mcain portrayed as a vampire racist?
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:05:39pm |
re: #128 Kosh's Shadow
OT (but we're over 100 posts)
The "moderates" speak:
Fatah: No Recognition of Israel – Ever
And Israel is supposed to appease these people?
For a moment, I thought you were going to say that this was one of Obamas aids.
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jill e Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:06:01pm |
At the very least, this is insulting to the President of the United States. Like it or not, he's the President. There's a 99.6% chance that it's going to be perceived as racist by the majority of people—pretty good chance it was meant to be racist.
I teach my kids that just because someone else is doing something mean and hateful, doesn't mean that you should, too. It makes you just as bad.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:06:10pm |
re: #130 MandyManners
I would have verbally ripped his head off and shoved it up his butt. I might even consider reporting him to my ISP.
For a failure of taste and sensitivity?
You're free to blast and block him, or anyone who sends you material that offends you. But if it's not a threat of or boast about an act of physical violence, what are you going to report him for?
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:06:22pm |
re: #163 Eowyn2
No, Israel is supposed to apologize and jump into the sea.
I'm surprised this was even published.
It was published in Israel National News, not the US MSM. I'd be shocked to see it in the US, except for a few papers like The Jewish Advocate.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:06:29pm |
re: #151 buzzsawmonkey
I really hope part of the back-lash is not that anyone who calls FCBBHO a socialist or communist will get labeled a racist.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:06:32pm |
re: #138 haavamaal
Have you seen that your karma has gone into the red? Drop it while you still can.
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nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:06:33pm |
re: #169 Racer X
Were the horrible pictures of John Mcain portrayed as a vampire racist?
Does McCain look like a transylvanian?
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:06:38pm |
re: #148 mockery jones
tasteless ? absolutely.
racist? more in the eye of the beholder than anything else.
Are you fucking crazy? You should shut the hell up right now and post again next month...Racism is not in the eye of the beholder...Ever...
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nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:06:58pm |
re: #168 lincolntf
Mark Buehrle is 8 innings into a perfect game. ESPN will show the 9th inning live momentarily. I believe there are a few White Sox fans who come here. If xo, good luck.
Well you know who is? Just saying. But I doubt he is here.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:07:03pm |
re: #172 Dianna
For a failure of taste and sensitivity?
You're free to blast and block him, or anyone who sends you material that offends you. But if it's not a threat of or boast about an act of physical violence, what are you going to report him for?
I am a bit sensitive to this kind of crap.
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debutaunt Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:07:45pm |
re: #177 HoosierHoops
Are you fucking crazy? You should shut the hell up right now and post again next month...Racism is not in the eye of the beholder...Ever...
There's a whole flock of 'em today.
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haavamaal Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:07:49pm |
re: #164 MandyManners
The key words are "to you" this is...
To me it just happens to be a black man in a picture. Like I said it is certainly in poor taste but neither you nor I know if the sender is a racist or not.
It would certainly have been better to argue the merits of this idiotic health care plan.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:07:53pm |
re: #156 Dianna
First, I'd have to actually meet one of the kooks on the right. Somehow, the Paulians flee before me, and the wilder-eyed nuts shut up after my second sentence.
I have this vision of Paulians literally running, screaming from you.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:08:17pm |
re: #172 Dianna
For a failure of taste and sensitivity?
You're free to blast and block him, or anyone who sends you material that offends you. But if it's not a threat of or boast about an act of physical violence, what are you going to report him for?
Some ISPs have terms of use that prevent the dissemination of "hateful" materials. The image in question could easily be construed as racist hate propaganda, which, if the ISP is inclined to agree, could lead to termination of service. Remember, Internet service is administered by private companies.
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Racer X Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:08:21pm |
re: #174 MandyManners
I really hope part of the back-lash is not that anyone who calls FCBBHO a socialist or communist will get labeled a racist.
Bing-fucking-Go!
Expect it. It is already there.
A white policeman shows up at a potential crime scene and he is automatically labeled a racist by a college professor. Just because he is white and the other man is black.
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Shr_Nfr Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:08:30pm |
As a practical matter, some of the "witch doctors" used things that we are now exploiting for the purposes of modern medicine. I really would not put them down. The reality of their effectiveness is better than their image. But I am getting a bit sick and tired of every time somebody says "monkey" or "witch doctor" the repost is that it is racist. Remember "Voodoo Economics"? Perhaps that was racist too? Somehow I think not.
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Wendya Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:09:10pm |
re: #177 HoosierHoops
Racism is not in the eye of the beholder...Ever...
What about the cop that busted Gates? Many on the left, including the Prez, suggest racism was his motivation. Should people just blindly accept that or should they also look at the actions of Gates?
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:09:15pm |
Oo ee oo ah ah ting tang walla walla bing bang . . .
[channeling the Muppets]
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:09:19pm |
re: #103 haavamaal
Good lord this is not racist unless its intent is to be racist. It is making a point that this is a voodoo health plan at most. Certainly people will be offended by it, because everyone is offended by anything these days.
Personally I think it is in bad taste, but the same could be said of many depictions of Bush/Cheney/Rice ...
Do I get offended when someone calls me a cracker, no. Why, because I give a rats ass what they think of me. Are they racist? wtf do I care if they are or are not.
Are you just incredibly dense or you a lying, racist SOB?
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jcm Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:09:19pm |
Karma: -79
mockery jones
Registered since: Nov 26, 2008 at 7:34 pm
No. of comments posted: 39
No. of links posted: 0Karma: -5
haavamaal
Registered since: Feb 24, 2007 at 2:01 pm
No. of comments posted: 13
No. of links posted: 0
I'm sensing a trend...
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jill e Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:09:56pm |
re: #178 MikeySDCA
Of course it was meant to be racist.
If it looks like something that the relatives on my father's side of the family would forward, it's racist!
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:10:11pm |
re: #157 descolada9
Would the collective idiots of the world please stay off of the internet??
How would they communicate with other living beings outside their Grandmothers basement? /
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:10:32pm |
re: #162 Dianna
Neither do I. It's hysterically funny, though.
That it is. Tragic that I have a sister that would believe it too. The same sister that I got into a dustup with recently about her desire for me to pay for her health care.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:10:36pm |
re: #169 Racer X
Were the horrible pictures of John Mcain portrayed as a vampire racist?
They were widely vilified. Even the media piled on the photographer for misrepresenting herself and her intentions to McCain. As I recall, she wound up having several pending contracts canceled as a result.
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Racer X Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:10:57pm |
Racism works both ways right?
Or is it a one way (one race) street?
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Captain Amercia Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:11:08pm |
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:11:09pm |
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Buster Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:11:11pm |
re: #33 capitalist piglet
Everyone should know better...I have noticed though that only the right will call out their own when they go over the line.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:11:13pm |
re: #183 haavamaal
The key words are "to you" this is...
To me it just happens to be a black man in a picture. Like I said it is certainly in poor taste but neither you nor I know if the sender is a racist or not.
It would certainly have been better to argue the merits of this idiotic health care plan.
I agree with the last sentence.
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Shr_Nfr Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:11:15pm |
re: #193 Wendya
All I know is that if I called a black cop in Cambridge a n*****, I would be up to my ears in tickets, and under arrest. Racism does not wear any better on anyone. In my last interaction with a cop in Cambridge it was "Sir".
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:11:36pm |
re: #151 buzzsawmonkey
Taking this apart, let's look at its components.
1) Race. Given how everyone went nuts over the "ape" drawing which supposedly referred to Obama a few months ago (though the drawing was so poorly conceived it was not entirely clear it did), it is really stupid to use racial imagery when referring to him. It guarantees that the validity of any message will be drowned out in a chorus decrying the racial component, and the substance of the message will be lost. As some have noted in prior threads, the Obama presidency is anything but the "post-racial" entity that was promised, and it works race and racial grievance whenever it is advantageous.
2) "Witch Doctor." It is not necessary to totally forego "witch doctor" references when discussing the current health care initiatives, as long as such references carefully avoid, in light of #1 above, applying them directly to the President. That is where the concept here fails. A picture of Obama directing Pelosi, Reid, et. al. with them dressed up as witch doctors could avoid the racial hot button and still, if properly done, make use of the metaphor.
3) Garbled message. Throwing the hammer and sickle in there undercuts the power of the witch doctor image. People do not associate Communism with primitve tribesmen; it creates a mixed message that fights against itself. Plus, the typography is ugly and visually jarring.
4) Bad art direction. Likewise, the use of the Obama logo is poorly done. There is more excuse for this than there is for the hammer and sickle, but the person doing this--carried away with "make the logo bigger" mania, did not insert it so that it was the same size as the rest of the type. This, again, is visually jarring, and suggests a sort of "shouting"; clearly, the originators of this image think that the people they are aiming it at are too stupid to get the use of the logo unless it is as obvious as possible. The outsized logo might have worked if the hammer and sickle had not been thrown in also, but taken together it is too much.
It is a grossly racist image. Period.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:11:48pm |
re: #180 MandyManners
I am a bit sensitive to this kind of crap.
That's fine. Admirable, even.
Just - let's stay in the realm of reason.
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Racer X Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:12:05pm |
re: #203 SixDegrees
They were widely vilified. Even the media piled on the photographer for misrepresenting herself and her intentions to McCain. As I recall, she wound up having several pending contracts canceled as a result.
As she should have been. But my question is - were those pictures racist? If not, why not?
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Captain Amercia Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:12:16pm |
re: #210 Shr_Nfr
All I know is that if I called a black cop in Cambridge a n***, I would be up to my ears in tickets, and under arrest. Racism does not wear any better on anyone. In my last interaction with a cop in Cambridge it was "Sir".
But apparently, Obama sees fit to lump all of the department into the "stupid" category. That's fair.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:12:22pm |
re: #187 Racer X
Bing-fucking-Go!
Expect it. It is already there.
A white policeman shows up at a potential crime scene and he is automatically labeled a racist by a college professor. Just because he is white and the other man is black.
I have a strong recollection of some professors claiming that to call FCBBHO a socialist during the campaign was racism. I have a vague recollection that they were from a university in Kansas.
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:12:30pm |
re: #138 haavamaal
You have got to be kidding me. Was MLK racist when he referred to "African Americans" as Negro? Is my 97 yr old grandmother racist when she referrs to "colored people"? Intent and or perception is everything.
You think its racist so to you it is. To me its not. Its all a matter of perspective. This is not a black and white issue (excuse the pun)
Contextually challenged. The fallacy of presentism.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:12:42pm |
re: #156 Dianna
I think you've already limited yourself by thinking this is something you'd have to do in person, per se. Expand the possibilities.
You could help get kooks out of the party by running for elected office, running for a party position, being active in the party, or even starting a blog to expose the kookier aspects as you see them.
But it's not something one person can do alone, and it's not necessarily all of us doing the same thing. That's part of the reason why I can't really answer the question as to "what do we do". It's each of us asking ourself that question, thinking up an answer and taking action in whatever form we think will help.
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WinterCat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:12:45pm |
This is the kind of crap that makes my skin crawl.
This is a incredibly racist "cartoon" and was shared by a number of people (read racist sh*t heads) who oppose Obama's plan. But it is not a sentiment that is shared by all people who oppose his plan. Obamacare would be a complete disaster.
Having said that, Dr. David McKalip, of the American Medical Association’s House of Delegates should probably start working on his resignation letter.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:12:59pm |
re: #188 buzzsawmonkey
Too late to hope for that; don't you remember during the campaign, when Obama supporters were saying that calling him a socialist was a code-word for talking about his race?
GMTA. See my No. 215.
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Captain Amercia Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:13:12pm |
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:13:13pm |
re: #181 Iron Fist
Why is "voodoo" bad?
Wrong question.
This has to do with the power of imagery.
For instance, there is nothing inherently bad about watermelon, or fried chicken, or tap-dancing. But without question, one could construct a caricature of Obama using those images that would be absolutely, beyond-the-pale racist.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:13:38pm |
re: #174 MandyManners
I really hope part of the back-lash is not that anyone who calls FCBBHO a socialist or communist will get labeled a racist.
Already happened. During the campaign, remember? "Socialist" is a code word!
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justabill Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:13:54pm |
Not only racist, but stupid.
More so that that polieceman even//
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haavamaal Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:13:54pm |
re: #196 Spare O'Lake
Well, it depends. Last I checked my mom has 2 legs. I could be dense, and been called that by people who are for more meaningful than you. We have all lied, thus we are all liars. Last I checked it is not possible for me to be a racist since I am not white. Only white ppl can be racist last I checked on the PC lists.
Whats your point idiot?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:14:11pm |
re: #212 Dianna
That's fine. Admirable, even.
Just - let's stay in the realm of reason.
I took a few moments to un-twist my knickers.
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doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:14:29pm |
re: #213 Racer X
As she should have been. But my question is - were those pictures racist? If not, why not?
No, because they didn't play on stereotypes about McCain's race. I'm pretty sure there are no vampires. It was vicious, mean-spirited, over the top, petty, and stupid, but not racist.
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debutaunt Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:14:41pm |
re: #217 Sharmuta
I think you've already limited yourself by thinking this is something you'd have to do in person, per se. Expand the possibilities.
You could help get kooks out of the party by running for elected office, running for a party position, being active in the party, or even starting a blog to expose the kookier aspects as you see them.
But it's not something one person can do alone, and it's not necessarily all of us doing the same thing. That's part of the reason why I can't really answer the question as to "what do we do". It's each of us asking ourself that question, thinking up an answer and taking action in whatever form we think will help.
I believe that Sarah Palin did that to improve her local political situation.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:14:51pm |
re: #217 Sharmuta
I think you've already limited yourself by thinking this is something you'd have to do in person, per se. Expand the possibilities.
You could help get kooks out of the party by running for elected office, running for a party position, being active in the party, or even starting a blog to expose the kookier aspects as you see them.
But it's not something one person can do alone, and it's not necessarily all of us doing the same thing. That's part of the reason why I can't really answer the question as to "what do we do". It's each of us asking ourself that question, thinking up an answer and taking action in whatever form we think will help.
Forgive me. I'm an active member of the Republican Party in my area. They exclude people like me by scheduling pretty much everything for working hours.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:15:26pm |
re: #224 Dianna
Already happened. During the campaign, remember? "Socialist" is a code word!
Didn't some professors from a university in Kansas start it?
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HelloDare Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:15:36pm |
re: #230 doppelganglander
No, because they didn't play on stereotypes about McCain's race. I'm pretty sure there are no vampires. It was vicious, mean-spirited, over the top, petty, and stupid, but not racist.
Conservative white men live of the blood of the underclass. Don't you know that. /
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:15:38pm |
re: #232 Dianna
Forgive me. I'm an active member of the Republican Party in my area. They exclude people like me by scheduling pretty much everything for working hours.
Who does the scheduling?
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Shr_Nfr Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:15:50pm |
re: #214 Captain Amercia
In my opinion, they were most professional any time I interacted with them. Same with the cops here in Newton. Same with the State cops in MA. Sadly, the county cops in NJ were a bunch of guys whose relatives had political pull and they were totally useless. There are bad cops all the same as there are bad other people. But by in large, they do a tough job well.
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Irenicum Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:15:54pm |
re: #70 capitalist piglet
I've had more than a few similar experiences. I'm amazed at how much 'soft' racism there is, the kind that just percolates in the air and people don't even see it for what it is. Disgusting.
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Silvergirl Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:16:14pm |
re: #151 buzzsawmonkey
2) "Witch Doctor." It is not necessary to totally forego "witch doctor" references when discussing the current health care initiatives, as long as such references carefully avoid, in light of #1 above, applying them directly to the President. That is where the concept here fails. A picture of Obama directing Pelosi, Reid, et. al. with them dressed up as witch doctors could avoid the racial hot button and still, if properly done, make use of the metaphor.
This is true. I loved your witch doctor take about a week ago, but you were making the opposite point. You were commenting on what someone said about people who refuse health insurance of any kind (gov't or private) on religious grounds. Yours was done right, not directed at African Americans, and was funny. Ooo eee ooo ah ah ting tang walla walla, bing bang!
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Semper Gumbi Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:16:24pm |
re: #84 Charles
Please show me where that spinoff is posted. Whoever put that crap on my site is going to lose their account.
Charles,
As I promised earleir, I went back and looked. I Couldn't find the spin-off. I'm beginning to think that I may have followed a link from a spin-off link, and that's where I saw the picture in question.
My humblest apologies, and I fully retract my comment number 65.
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:16:29pm |
re: #193 Wendya
Hi friend...
I repeat..Racism is not in the eye of the beholder...
There are racist motives and there are those that are not...
Where you draw a sharp sword to dissect a story will reveal as much about yourself as it does the players...
This is like Duke player and race redux..Nobody got that story right when it exploded...
/Hope you are well
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Racer X Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:16:40pm |
re: #230 doppelganglander
No, because they didn't play on stereotypes about McCain's race. I'm pretty sure there are no vampires. It was vicious, mean-spirited, over the top, petty, and stupid, but not racist.
OK thank you for the clarification.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:16:41pm |
re: #230 doppelganglander
No, because they didn't play on stereotypes about McCain's race. I'm pretty sure there are no vampires. It was vicious, mean-spirited, over the top, petty, and stupid, but not racist.
Now, if they had portrayed him in a kilt with half his face painted blue and swinging a broadsword with a flask of whisky in his belt, that might be racist.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:16:45pm |
re: #213 Racer X
As she should have been. But my question is - were those pictures racist? If not, why not?
I'm not aware of any stereotypes linking whites to vampires that were being exploited.
It shouldn't be necessary to explain that casting a modern black man as a primitive witch doctor does exactly that.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:16:54pm |
I missed the latest round of deletions... anyone know what was the prompt? (I get the feeling it was multiple "replies" to a single, offending post.)
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:17:19pm |
re: #169 Racer X
Were the horrible pictures of John Mcain portrayed as a vampire racist?
Are vampires a race?
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Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:17:19pm |
re: #177 HoosierHoops
Are you fucking crazy? You should shut the hell up right now and post again next month...Racism is not in the eye of the beholder...Ever...
Not true; we've seen some remarkable examples of people accused of racism who had not a whit of racist intent!
About this particular photoshop? Oh, hell, yes, it's meant to be racist. Or McKilip is dumber than a biscuit on a fence-post.
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nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:17:24pm |
re: #246 Shiplord Kirel
Now, if they had portrayed him in a kilt with half his face painted blue and swinging a broadsword with a flask of whisky in his belt, that might be racist.
Might have helped a bit, too.
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doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:18:04pm |
re: #237 HelloDare
Conservative white men live of the blood of the underclass. Don't you know that. /
Sure I do. I have to pick up a few pints of O+ at the local blood bank every week for my husband.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:18:09pm |
re: #246 Shiplord Kirel
Now, if they had portrayed him in a kilt with half his face painted blue and swinging a broadsword with a flask of whisky in his belt, that might be racist.
Or, it might be an actual photo from Shore Leave during his younger days.
//
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:18:16pm |
re: #248 Occasional Reader
Lincolntf & nevergiveup have been getting whacked. Don't quite know why...
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3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:18:19pm |
OT:
Mark Buehrle of the White Sox just threw a perfect game.
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:18:30pm |
re: #250 Alouette
Are vampires a race?
After 50,000 years of Goth kids exclusively breeding with one another they may be. /
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Shr_Nfr Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:18:30pm |
re: #223 Occasional Reader
Vodun is interesting. I suggest a read of "Divine Horsemen" or even better the DVD [Link: www.bestbuy.com...]
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:18:44pm |
re: #256 Kenneth
Lincolntf & nevergiveup have been getting whacked. Don't quite know why...
I'm guessing it's because they were liveblogging the baseball game.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:18:53pm |
re: #227 haavamaal
Well, it depends. Last I checked my mom has 2 legs. I could be dense, and been called that by people who are for more meaningful than you. We have all lied, thus we are all liars. Last I checked it is not possible for me to be a racist since I am not white. Only white ppl can be racist last I checked on the PC lists.
Whats your point idiot?
My point is that your position is racist.
Fuck you.
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ackomanyuki Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:19:14pm |
[Ed. note: this account has been blocked.]
He should have used a Pict shaman from pre-anglo Hibernia to illustrate that health care will devolve under Obama's paln. Obama's mommy was form up north wasn't she.
Yeh, everyone would have caught that visual metaphor before the one presented.
By the way, I am know ethnologist, or anthropologist, but that aboriginal looks to be from the South Pacific or even South America to me.
Quick to put everything into a racial stereotype aren't we when we need to make ourselves fell superior to others. Who's the racist and who's the panty waists. Grow a spine people.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:19:19pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:19:34pm |
re: #234 jcm
That moves the White Sox into tie with Detroit for the lead of their division, and the Sox start a weekend series with the Tigers tomorrow. Go Sox, go Cubs!
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J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:19:35pm |
re: #248 Occasional Reader
from what I saw, it was regulars posting an outraged reply (and quoting the original, stupid stuff)...hence, the deletions.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:19:43pm |
re: #259 Shr_Nfr
Vodun is interesting. I suggest a read of "Divine Horsemen" or even better the DVD [Link: www.bestbuy.com...]
If voodoo worked, Haiti would be a superpower, and would have the highest life expectancy in the world...
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doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:19:58pm |
re: #246 Shiplord Kirel
Now, if they had portrayed him in a kilt with half his face painted blue and swinging a broadsword with a flask of whisky in his belt, that might be racist.
Maybe, but I wouldn't perceive that as a negative image of a Scotsman. An Englishman might have a different opinion.
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Racer X Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:20:02pm |
re: #250 Alouette
Are vampires a race?
There were other pictures of McCain and he was portrayed as an evil old white war monger. The vampire one was just the one I linked to first. There are many examples of liberals mocking McCain, Bush, Cheney et al in unflattering ways that play off their race. I'm just wondering at what point do we admit that racism works both directions?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:20:04pm |
re: #262 ackomanyuki
Get off my website.
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haavamaal Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:20:08pm |
re: #261 Spare O'Lake
Sorry a strait Latino here. I would check another site if you are cruising.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:20:16pm |
daily show goes after the nirthers
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KansasMom Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:20:19pm |
| 275 |
lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:20:20pm |
I got whacked? Hmmm, must be a Devil Rays fan wielding the stick today. Can't think of anything offensive in our posts.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:20:24pm |
re: #257 3 wood
OT:
Mark Buehrle of the White Sox just threw a perfect game.
/Why would someone in a perfect game go and throw it? Do you think he had money on it?
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Daria Emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:20:35pm |
The worst part about it is that this serves distraction purposes. Specifically, I mean that instead of debating Obamacare's pluses and minuses, we end up looking into conservative racism. Meanwhile, legitimate concerns about Obamacare are obscured.
*sighs*
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:20:53pm |
On another note, I just got back from Bermuda today, and one of the locals down there told me an interesting story about how the Uighers ended up there. If it's true (and I haven't had time to follow up on some of the details), it may very well make the POTUS look bad ... that is, if it is ever reported.
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capitalist piglet Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:20:56pm |
re: #174 MandyManners
I really hope part of the back-lash is not that anyone who calls FCBBHO a socialist or communist will get labeled a racist.
Anyone inclined to connect those dots (wrongly, in my opinion) is already doing it. It's a form of insulation, just as screaming at a cop about racism was for Professor Gates.
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:21:02pm |
WHITE SOX PITCHER MARK BUEHRLE HAS THROWN THE 17TH PERFECT GAME IN MAJOR LEAGUE HISTORY.
Millions of games played and only 17 were perfect.
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HelloDare Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:21:04pm |
Kindle bashers must be loving this:
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:21:08pm |
Interesting, in thinking about this, it occurs to me that the key to understanding the mindset of people like Dr. McKalip isn't in the fact that he forwarded the picture. It's in the reason he did so. He did it because he thought it was funny. That says it all about where he's coming from.
Charles posted the picture. He didn't do so because he thought it was funny. He did so because he thought it was disgusting, and to expose this kind of unacceptable behavior.
Same basic action. Totally different mindsets. One shameful, the other admirable.
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Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:21:08pm |
re: #258 DaddyG
After 50,000 years of Goth kids exclusively breeding with one another they may be. /
A buddy of mine once crashed a Goth party wearing chain mail, furs, and a viking helmet. "You said it was Goth! I was going for historic accuracy."
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:21:10pm |
Whoops. Is shouting a cause for deletion, or was it the perfect game reference?
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mockery jones Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:21:25pm |
re: #177 HoosierHoops
tell me i am fucking crazy. i love it.
you see a black man dressed as a savage.
i see the medical credentials of the man who wants to overhaul the health care system of our entire nation.
who is being the racist?
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:21:29pm |
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Occasional Reader Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:21:29pm |
re: #265 Iron Fist
The intent of the imagery is clear
I agree. But I guess we disagree on what that intent is.
Anyway, I have to finish some things up. Later.
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:21:29pm |
re: #265 Iron Fist
I love you, man. But please put down the shovel and walk away from the whole you are digging.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:22:11pm |
re: #246 Shiplord Kirel
Now, if they had portrayed him in a kilt with half his face painted blue and swinging a broadsword with a flask of whisky in his belt, that might be racist.
That's how I always attend performance review sessions. Is there a problem with that?
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:22:13pm |
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:22:35pm |
re: #278 MandyManners
Oh, go piss up a rope.
Have you ever actually tried that? It's extraordinarily difficult and very messy.
So I hear.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:22:43pm |
re: #280 capitalist piglet
Anyone inclined to connect those dots (wrongly, in my opinion) is already doing it. It's a form of insulation, just as screaming at a cop about racism was for Professor Gates.
See No. 253.
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avanti Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:22:48pm |
See all you Lizards tomorrow. Tell Walter I'm off to the casino to spend some of the profit from soap box car sales to Cuba by playing bingo. :) That was a classic post by him, BTW.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:23:24pm |
re: #279 _RememberTonyC
On another note, I just got back from Bermuda today, and one of the locals down there told me an interesting story about how the Uighers ended up there. If it's true (and I haven't had time to follow up on some of the details), it may very well make the POTUS look bad ... that is, if it is ever reported.
OT, but I've been considering a Bermuda vacation next year. Worthwhile?
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Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:23:32pm |
re: #292 Kenneth
Have you ever actually tried that? It's extraordinarily difficult and very messy.
So I hear.
The secret is to let the capillary action of the fibers do the work for you, like a wick.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:23:36pm |
re: #286 mockery jones
You, too, can go piss up a rope.
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Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:23:41pm |
re: #251 Dianna
Not true; we've seen some remarkable examples of people accused of racism who had not a whit of racist intent!
About this particular photoshop? Oh, hell, yes, it's meant to be racist. Or McKilip is dumber than a biscuit on a fence-post.
I may have misunderstood the post...
We can never justify racism...Ever..or give excuses..or crack suck ass jokes..or look down upon another human...
All Men (women) were created equal...
Nobody on my watch takes that away...
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:24:18pm |
Gonna' take a walk around the grounds. bbiab
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:24:28pm |
re: #262 ackomanyuki
He should have used a Pict shaman from pre-anglo Hibernia to illustrate that health care will devolve under Obama's paln. Obama's mommy was form up north wasn't she.
Yeh, everyone would have caught that visual metaphor before the one presented.
By the way, I am know ethnologist, or anthropologist, but that aboriginal looks to be from the South Pacific or even South America to me.
Quick to put everything into a racial stereotype aren't we when we need to make ourselves fell superior to others. Who's the racist and who's the panty waists. Grow a spine people.
I'll grow a spine right after you go fuck yourself
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:24:32pm |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:24:33pm |
I'm off for home, but I leave you with this parting pearl of wisdom: The level of stupid on the Internet is almost unsurpassed. It's as if the pseudo-anonymity offered by the online world brings out the absolute worst in people.
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Daria Emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:24:57pm |
re: #265 Iron Fist
This is South East Asian. Is any depiction of Obama when he isn't in his Armani a "racist" depiction? The intent of the imagery is clear: witchdoctor. That is a valid criticism of him. He is a witchdoctor. He is practicing the sympathetic magic of throwing money at the problem.
Race has nothing to do with it. Would the image have been more acceptable if the witchdoctor in question had been native American instead? Why or why not?
Perhaps this is showing Obama to be an aboriginal, or Southeast Asian, perhaps not.
Nonetheless, one of the first images coming to mind in viewing the image is that of natives in Africa, and the comparison to Obama and such natives. It is not a helpful image, as this has been at the heart of centuries of white-on-black racism. This image only serves AT BEST to distract, rather than inform.
Actual policy discussions are lost in that image, which serves only to incite.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:25:13pm |
re: #298 SixDegrees
OT, but I've been considering a Bermuda vacation next year. Worthwhile?
I did a cruise and was there for 2 days ... if you are a golfer, beach person, and a shopper ... it's a good place for about 5 days max.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:25:22pm |
re: #306 thedopefishlives
I'm off for home, but I leave you with this parting pearl of wisdom: The level of stupid on the Internet is almost unsurpassed. It's as if the pseudo-anonymity offered by the online world brings out the absolute worst in people.
Indeed.
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Kilroy Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:25:34pm |
If this were a political cartoon of Bush as an ape or a monkey it would win a prize. What's up? Satire.
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jill e Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:25:38pm |
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Shr_Nfr Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:25:43pm |
re: #268 Occasional Reader
No argument. But it is an interesting film none the less. I study religion, psychiatry, psychology and so forth because it is an expression of how people work and perceive the universe. Very helpful in making a living in the stock market. The question is "has any religion ever 'worked'?" I would answer that some of them have a good set of ethics and make the world a better place, but praying to the powers that be that you win the lottery is a waste of time. I regard prayer as God talking to me, not me talking to God.
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:25:43pm |
re: #265 Iron Fist
Racism test...
When a cop is investigating a break in at your rental home and he is a different color than you you:
A. Demand he stop profiling you
B. Hand him your ID and thank him for checking on your home
An appropriate caracture of Obama mucking up health care is
A. Sticking his head on an ethnic witch doctor
B. Portrying him as a faith healer
The appropriate response to someone accusing you of racism is
A. I can't be racist I'm a ___
B. If I didn't mean it to be racist it wasn't
C. Everyone's a little bit racist some times
D. None of the above
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:25:59pm |
re: #298 SixDegrees
OT, but I've been considering a Bermuda vacation next year. Worthwhile?
I hear one can just lose themselves there./
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WinterCat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:26:00pm |
re: #265 Iron Fist
This is South East Asian. Is any depiction of Obama when he isn't in his Armani a "racist" depiction? The intent of the imagery is clear: witchdoctor. That is a valid criticism of him. He is a witchdoctor. He is practicing the sympathetic magic of throwing money at the problem.
Race has nothing to do with it. Would the image have been more acceptable if the witchdoctor in question had been native American instead? Why or why not?
I think race has everything to do with this cartoon. One could have done a hundred variations on the theme of Obama creating some kind of lesser medical system than what we have currently without going here. A kooky doctor, an Alchemist, etc. But this was insensitive in the extreme and has to be rejected.
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karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:26:18pm |
SO I check the comments on this thread and see that there are actually individuals who will defend the photo as "not racist" because it depicts a witch doctor.
To get there I suppose we have to look past the fact that the president's father is from Africa.
The word "obtuse" comes to mind. Not that we didn't get to witness race baiting last night by the president himself.
But hey - why rise above when you can get in the gutter and demean yourself while trying to make the other guy look bad ...
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HelloDare Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:26:45pm |
Wonder how many people got kicked off Huffington Post or Kos for making, let's call it, racially insensitive statements about Condi Rice? Any?
They tolerate it if not encourage it from what I've seen.
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:26:55pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:27:06pm |
This racist imagery is not hard to find on Tea Party Facebook sites.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:27:10pm |
re: #312 Kilroy
Tu quoque is not an excuse, it's a logical fallacy.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:27:23pm |
re: #271 Charles
Get off my website.
I'm at my parent's house so give me a minute to get the charcoal on the grill. This is our first meltdown in a while and I want to grill this troll right.
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HelloDare Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:27:36pm |
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3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:27:37pm |
re: #236 jcm
16th perfect game!
Against a very good hitting team in the Tampa Bay Rays, no less.
And I really want to mention what a classy move the Rays did, at the end of the game a lot of them stood on the top step of their dugout and gave Beuhrle a standing ovation.
With all the banging on professional sports I do, I want to say, that is sportsmanship.
I tip my cap to both Beuhrle and the Rays.
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ExCamelJockey Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:27:41pm |
The definition of racism, from Dictionary.com:
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
I place this photochop in the same category as political jabs of McCain and "Depends" (which I thought were funny). It's a humorous association between witch doctors and government run health care. Is this tacky? Sure, just like the McCain jokes were. Where does the racism come in?
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mich-again Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:27:42pm |
OTOH it was perfectly acceptable to photoshop George W. Bush's face onto a monkey for laughs. One example here...
But obviously the rules of what is acceptable satire are different now. I'm not sure if there are any non-human life forms that would be acceptable to use in presidential satire photos these days.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:27:47pm |
re: #277 Daria Emmons
The worst part about it is that this serves distraction purposes. Specifically, I mean that instead of debating Obamacare's pluses and minuses, we end up looking into conservative racism. Meanwhile, legitimate concerns about Obamacare are obscured.
*sighs*
Yup. This will be the lead story, eclipsing the faltering of the health care bill and other signs of 0's loss of mandate for weeks.
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:28:04pm |
re: #304 SpaceJesus
I believe that's the first upding I ever gave you.
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MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:28:06pm |
re: #312 Kilroy
If this were a political cartoon of Bush as an ape or a monkey it would win a prize. What's up? Satire.
THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT!
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:28:24pm |
re: #303 MandyManners
Gonna' take a walk around the grounds. bbiab
they let you guys out for walks up there at the mental institution? how nice of them. there are high fences though yes?
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debutaunt Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:28:43pm |
re: #323 Dark_Falcon
I'm at my parent's house so give me a minute to get the charcoal on the grill. This is our first meltdown in a while and I want to grill this troll right.
There seems to be enough for all.
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brent Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:28:45pm |
I hate things like this... The left has been trying to paint the right as racist, old white men. A racist from the right steps up to bolster their point and tarnish whatever points the tea party crowd are trying to make.
Well done, Doctor RacistShitforBrains.
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flyovercountry Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:28:59pm |
Re: #4 Iron Fist
Words fail me. I don't see what is supposedly so bad about it. It is miles and miles less "racist" than many things the Left published about Condi Rice.
Basically, we should be able to hold ourselves to a higher standard than those we deem to be idiots. This was an idiotic thing to have done. I consider myself to be a conservative on almost every issue. When I see people who are usually on my side of most issues abandon intellectual arguments in favor of shrill and rediculous tactics like these, I realize that they are doing far more damage to the conservative cause than good. Besides providing fodder, (low hanging fruit,) for the other side, it is also a turn off for most people. Then, when liberals say things like all Republicans are racists, it looks like it may be true. Also, we are capable of illustrating a coherent case against Obamacare, the Cap and Trade disastor, and Sotomayer without resorting to these tactics. Believe me, there are plenty of coherent arguments to be made against this President and his group of thugs.
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Daria Emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:29:06pm |
re: #324 Iron Fist
Really? Not to me. I thought Dyak. I still think Dyak when I see it.
Maybe that is a difference between you and me. I don't think of Africa at all when I see it.
I'm really gone this time. Play nice.
It is not a far leap to get to Africa, and corresponding centuries of racist imagery.
As I said, AT BEST, this image distracts rather than informs. AT WORST, it plays into racial stereotypes.
NOT GOOD overall.
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Shr_Nfr Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:29:09pm |
re: #318 karmic_inquisitor
They still burn witches alive in Kenya to this day. No reflection on either Obama or his father, but rather on the sorry state of Africa. Rape of a virgin, the younger the better, babies best of all, is supposed to cure aids. It is about time that we raised the standard of living there so people get away from that crud.
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lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:29:17pm |
re: #313 jill e
This is one of the strangest corruption stories I've ever heard of.
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mrkwong Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:29:24pm |
So let me get this straight - Dr McKalip, the one circulating this visual pile of mixed metaphors, is a member of the AMA's House of Delegates.
The same AMA whose acquiescence in ObamaCare was very explicitly purchased by the White House with a promise of higher Medicare reimbursement rates.
Only in politics do you have individuals masturbating with their left hand and cutting off their testicles with their right. Or vice versa.
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:29:30pm |
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:29:49pm |
re: #312 Kilroy
If this were a political cartoon of Bush as an ape or a monkey it would
win a prize. What's up? Satirereflect badly on those who e-mailed it to their listserv.
Ask my kids what kind of response "they did it first!" will get you.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:30:23pm |
re: #6 Charles
You don't see what's bad about that?
Wow.
Oh, but the cover that The New Yorker had of Barry and Michelle before the election was ok?
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:30:32pm |
re: #312 Kilroy
If this were a political cartoon of Bush as an ape or a monkey it would win a prize. What's up? Satire.
That's because opponents have not historically stereotyped rich white guys as monkeys. Reptiles of various kinds, yes; monkeys, no.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:30:36pm |
re: #310 _RememberTonyC
I did a cruise and was there for 2 days ... if you are a golfer, beach person, and a shopper ... it's a good place for about 5 days max.
Good to know. From what I've read, sightseeing opportunities do seem pretty limited. And I'm only good for so many umbrella drinks.
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Shr_Nfr Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:30:42pm |
re: #324 Iron Fist
Frankly, when I saw the picture, I thought it was a New Guinea native, not African. The getup is much more from that region of the world. African "native healers" dress much differently.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:30:48pm |
re: #327 ExCamelJockey
Hell - I can't even get pasty your crass nic, and you want me to read your defense of that pic?
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:31:23pm |
re: #316 Creeping Eruption
I hear one can just lose themselves there./
Careful that remark is going to get you in Dutch! /
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:31:50pm |
re: #344 Walter L. Newton
Oh, but the cover that The New Yorker had of Barry and Michelle before the election was ok?
What are you talking about? When did I ever say that?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:32:15pm |
re: #315 DaddyG
Racism test...
When a cop is investigating a break in at your rental home and he is a different color than you you:
A. Demand he stop profiling you
B. Hand him your ID and thank him for checking on your homeAn appropriate caracture of Obama mucking up health care is
A. Sticking his head on an ethnic witch doctor
B. Portrying him as a faith healerThe appropriate response to someone accusing you of racism is
A. I can't be racist I'm a ___
B. If I didn't mean it to be racist it wasn't
C. Everyone's a little bit racist some times
D. None of the above
Answers:
1. B: Hand him your ID and thank him for checking on your home
2. B: Portraying him as a faith healer
3. E: Ron Paul
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WinterCat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:32:42pm |
re: #309 Iron Fist
I'm going to walk away. I've got other things I need to do. But outrage over this, after all the Left did to Bush, is just grating.
L8tr.
I completely understand how you feel about what the left did to Bush and to Condi and to anyone else who they didn't like. I found it incredibly disgusting. And if the left had held any of it up to be seen for the trash it was as Charles has done with this cartoon, I would have applauded them. But they did not.
However, two wrongs do not make a right. I have always believed that the only way to stop this kind of stuff is to just stop it.
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:33:06pm |
re: #339 Shr_Nfr
It is about time that we raised the standard of living there so people get away from that crud.
Cart before horse. They will never raise their standard of living until they get away from that crud and we can't do it for them.
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:33:08pm |
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:33:18pm |
This kind of sh*t does nothing but harm any legitimate concerns over the health care proposals.
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Daria Emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:33:27pm |
re: #351 Charles
What are you talking about? When did I ever say that?
It was a leftist publication, the New Yorker, which published the image of Barack and Michelle Obama.
I think Walter L. Newman was speaking to the double standards of leftists, who would defend that, but decry the racism of the witch doctor image.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:34:13pm |
re: #343 DaddyG
Ask my kids what kind of response "they did it first!" will get you.
What if they state the implied question? "How come they didn't get punished for it?"
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:34:17pm |
re: #332 SpaceJesus
they let you guys out for walks up there at the mental institution? how nice of them. there are high fences though yes?
Very clever, SJ. Here, let me reward you:
SMACK!
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Shr_Nfr Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:34:30pm |
Here is a picture of an actual African "native healer" Image: witchdoctor.jpg and another: Image: witch-doctor-throwing-his-bones-historyofsouthafrica.jpg
Nothing at all like the picture.
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Syrah Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:34:33pm |
In the internet age, such things cannot be quietly shutdown and ignored.
Long ago, quite ostracization and political oxygen starvation were applied to protect the conservative (Any political movement really) from this kind of embarrassment. Those days are long passed.
These things will see the light of day.
Nothing can be hid anymore.
It is incumbent on everyone now in the conservative movement, no matter how low or lofty you are with in the movement, to squash these things like a bug before they can get anywhere.
Once they are out like this, its too late.
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nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:34:40pm |
re: #357 Daria Emmons
The New Yorker took a lot of flak from leftists about that, somewhat ironically, since it was a backhanded way of calling opposition to Obama's radical connection racist.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:34:42pm |
re: #346 SixDegrees
Good to know. From what I've read, sightseeing opportunities do seem pretty limited. And I'm only good for so many umbrella drinks.
but the people there are very friendly, not aggressive like in jamaica. and they use US dollars, making things much easier.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:34:45pm |
re: #351 Charles
What are you talking about? When did I ever say that?
My question was in general to the thread. Maybe I should have simply posted it as a stand alone comment. Sorry. Delete it if you want.
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Spartacus50 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:34:48pm |
So what? Does anyone even know who this person is? So forwarding an email (albeit one in bad taste) is now what qualifies you as a racist?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:35:30pm |
re: #357 Daria Emmons
It was a leftist publication, the New Yorker, which published the image of Barack and Michelle Obama.
I think Walter L. Newman was speaking to the double standards of leftists, who would defend that, but decry the racism of the witch doctor image.
I'm very familiar with the story.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
And you can see from what I posted that I NEVER said it was "OK."
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Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:35:37pm |
re: #343 DaddyG
Ask my kids what kind of response "they did it first!" will get you.
A smack for both?
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KansasMom Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:35:48pm |
re: #328 mich-again
OTOH it was perfectly acceptable to photoshop George W. Bush's face onto a monkey for laughs. One example here...
But obviously the rules of what is acceptable satire are different now. I'm not sure if there are any non-human life forms that would be acceptable to use in presidential satire photos these days.
Why is the comparison necessary? Bad is bad.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:35:52pm |
re: #364 Walter L. Newton
My question was in general to the thread. Maybe I should have simply posted it as a stand alone comment. Sorry. Delete it if you want.
But, I do remember a lot of Lizards saw the new Yorker cover as simply satire. Where is the fine line?
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Daria Emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:36:03pm |
re: #347 Sharmuta
Just wow. I need that fresh air now.
I am not understanding anyone who defends the image.
As I said a number of times - assuming the BEST of things, it is a propogandistic image which serves to inflame emotions and distract from the underlying debate over Obamacare. AT WORST, the image is certainly racist.
I see nothing in that image worth defending, and have no idea how anyone could do so.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:36:10pm |
re: #332 SpaceJesus
they let you guys out for walks up there at the mental institution? how nice of them. there are high fences though yes?
Just go piss up a rope.
Hat tip: Mandy
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:36:12pm |
re: #349 Creeping Eruption
Hell - I can't even get pasty your crass nic, and you want me to read your defense of that pic?
Covered nipple thread!
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J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:36:17pm |
re: #363 _RememberTonyC
Sooo, you were going to tell us how the Uyghurs wound up in Bermuda?
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:36:46pm |
re: #365 Spartacus50
So what? Does anyone even know who this person is? So forwarding an email (albeit one in bad taste) is now what qualifies you as a racist?
No, but forwarding a racist email certainly would lead one to believe the sender to be a racist, unless accompanied by "Can you believe what some racist said/drew/phototshopped? Isn't this disgusting?"
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:37:06pm |
re: #351 Charles
re: #344 Walter L. Newton
Oh, but the cover that The New Yorker had of Barry and Michelle before the election was ok?
What are you talking about? When did I ever say that?
If I recall correctly, that New Yorker cover cartoon was by a liberal satirizing the scary conservative fears about Commie & Sekrit Muslim Obama. It wasn't racist.
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debutaunt Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:37:29pm |
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jill e Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:37:54pm |
re: #340 lincolntf
This is one of the strangest corruption stories I've ever heard of.
They are accused of trafficking fake Gucci bags and KIDNEYS from Israeli donors??? Too weird!
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:38:06pm |
re: #372 CyanSnowHawk
Covered nipple thread!
Sigh . . .Hard to express the proper amount of righteous indignation when you mis-spell a word like that.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:38:18pm |
re: #328 mich-again
OTOH it was perfectly acceptable to photoshop George W. Bush's face onto a monkey for laughs. One example here...
But obviously the rules of what is acceptable satire are different now. I'm not sure if there are any non-human life forms that would be acceptable to use in presidential satire photos these days.
The National Review cover featuring a picture of 0 dressed as a doctor, snapping on a latex examination glove and saying "Now just relax..." with a big grin was hilarious, and didn't fasten on to any stereotypes. A depiction of him as a Medieval physician directing his assistants to apply bloodsucking leeches to a hapless patient (and perhaps their wallet) wouldn't raise any eyebrows. Casting him as Doctor Marvel, the snake-oil salesman from The Wizard of Oz, would also get across a critical point without racial offense. And those are just a few that come quickly to mind without any real effort.
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:38:36pm |
re: #358 CyanSnowHawk
What if they state the implied question? "How come they didn't get punished for it?"
I have lots of ready responses...
A. They aren't my kid... you are.
B. Now that I know about it they will.
C. The next time you watch a football game let me know who the ref catches - the first guy who threw a punch or the one who returned the favor?
D. When did we change the subject to "them" I was talking to "you".
Did I mention I have 7 little darlings from age 20 to 9? ;-)
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WinterCat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:40:20pm |
re: #381 DaddyG
I have lots of ready responses...
A. They aren't my kid... you are.
B. Now that I know about it they will.
C. The next time you watch a football game let me know who the ref catches - the first guy who threw a punch or the one who returned the favor?
D. When did we change the subject to "them" I was talking to "you".Did I mention I have 7 little darlings from age 20 to 9? ;-)
These are excellent. I will be using D in our next family conference. :)
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3 wood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:40:28pm |
re: #332 SpaceJesus
they let you guys out for walks up there at the mental institution? how nice of them. there are high fences though yes?
That's uncalled for.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:40:31pm |
re: #353 WinterCat
I completely understand how you feel about what the left did to Bush and to Condi and to anyone else who they didn't like. I found it incredibly disgusting. And if the left had held any of it up to be seen for the trash it was as Charles has done with this cartoon, I would have applauded them. But they did not.
However, two wrongs do not make a right. I have always believed that the only way to stop this kind of stuff is to just stop it.
Yup.
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nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:40:32pm |
re: #381 DaddyG
Have you heard Prager talk about this, in connection to school yards? Basically to the effect of he wants his kids, and people in general, standing up to bullies, so he is irritated when the teachers respond with "I don't care who started it!"
Might not really apply to squabbles among siblings, hopefully.
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lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:40:41pm |
re: #378 jill e
Yeah. I usually see "organ theft/sale" issues in news stories from overseas or on those CSI-style crime shows. I never expected to see that stuff linked to New Jersey Rabbis and politicians. World just keeps getting weirder.
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wahabicorridor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:40:44pm |
re: #381 DaddyG
Hey. You sound just like my old man. You're raising a passle of wahabicorridors, ya know.
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Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:41:41pm |
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karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:41:42pm |
So now some of the opponents of Obamacare have handed the president a very large stick for him to beat us with.
His most powerful stick - race. One that had started to backfire on him last night.
Once again, revelation of Obama's utter incompetence is prevented by the greater incompetence of a sliver of his opponents.
Good job guys.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:41:50pm |
re: #303 MandyManners
Gonna' take a walk around the grounds. bbiab
I'm gonna go eat a bunch of ice cream.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:41:59pm |
re: #380 SixDegrees
The National Review cover featuring a picture of 0 dressed as a doctor, snapping on a latex examination glove and saying "Now just relax..." with a big grin was hilarious, and didn't fasten on to any stereotypes. A depiction of him as a Medieval physician directing his assistants to apply bloodsucking leeches to a hapless patient (and perhaps their wallet) wouldn't raise any eyebrows. Casting him as Doctor Marvel, the snake-oil salesman from The Wizard of Oz, would also get across a critical point without racial offense. And those are just a few that come quickly to mind without any real effort.
Or as a Benny Hinn-type faith healer, "Barry Hinn", as I said earlier.
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Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:42:00pm |
re: #386 lincolntf
Yeah. I usually see "organ theft/sale" issues in news stories from overseas or on those CSI-style crime shows. I never expected to see that stuff linked to New Jersey Rabbis and politicians. World just keeps getting weirder.
I guess they just had leftovers after they used the blood for matzas.
/
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:42:05pm |
re: #381 DaddyG
I have lots of ready responses...
A. They aren't my kid... you are.
B. Now that I know about it they will.
C. The next time you watch a football game let me know who the ref catches - the first guy who threw a punch or the one who returned the favor?
D. When did we change the subject to "them" I was talking to "you".Did I mention I have 7 little darlings from age 20 to 9? ;-)
I've only got one, age 8, and a comparable list at the ready.
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Spartacus50 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:42:09pm |
re: #374 Kosh's Shadow
No, but forwarding a racist email certainly would lead one to believe the sender to be a racist, unless accompanied by "Can you believe what some racist said/drew/phototshopped? Isn't this disgusting?"
I receive stupid shit in my inbox all day long. Rarely do I hold someone personally accountable for something that I find offensive; thats what the spam folder and Delete button are for.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:42:20pm |
re: #392 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I guess they just had leftovers after they used the blood for matzas.
/
Waste not want not.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:42:32pm |
re: #363 _RememberTonyC
but the people there are very friendly, not aggressive like in jamaica. and they use US dollars, making things much easier.
Also good to know. Thanks.
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:43:27pm |
Must go. I hope everyone here has a wonderful evening and a terrific day tomorrow!
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:43:34pm |
re: #340 lincolntf
This is one of the strangest corruption stories I've ever heard of.
It is not your routine New Jersey pay-to-play scandal
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:43:36pm |
re: #373 J.S.
Sooo, you were going to tell us how the Uyghurs wound up in Bermuda?
yes ... I had a post all ready to hit send and I screwed up and deleted the copy ... I will work on it and post in a few minutes
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:43:49pm |
Speaking of health care, and never one to miss a chance to boast about my children, my little blonde munchkin (who is 6 feet tall and 27 years old now, but still my baby) has accepted an offer from the CDC and will be going to work there in September.
She received her doctorate in biochemistry in May.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:43:52pm |
-5Comment rated by: RYO the molePosted by: haavamaal in article: Disgusting Racist of the Day
Good lord this is not racist unless its intent is to be racist. It is making a point that this is a voodoo health plan at most. Certainly people will be offended by it, because everyone is offended...
Another interesting nic, dinging up a racist comment.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:43:53pm |
re: #391 Kosh's Shadow
Or maybe Vince the Sham-Wow guy...Barry could wear an earpiece and pepper his press conferences with 'You gettin' this, camrea guy?'
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jill e Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:44:15pm |
re: #380 SixDegrees
The National Review cover featuring a picture of 0 dressed as a doctor, snapping on a latex examination glove and saying "Now just relax..." with a big grin was hilarious, and didn't fasten on to any stereotypes. A depiction of him as a Medieval physician directing his assistants to apply bloodsucking leeches to a hapless patient (and perhaps their wallet) wouldn't raise any eyebrows. Casting him as Doctor Marvel, the snake-oil salesman from The Wizard of Oz, would also get across a critical point without racial offense. And those are just a few that come quickly to mind without any real effort.
EXACTLY! There's SO much to criticize Obama about and so many creative ways to do it. You don't have to resort to racist crap!
And with regard to picture of Bush as a monkey and McCain as a vampire...if the other kids jumped off a cliff, would you do the same thing???!!!
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:44:16pm |
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scullymj Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:44:44pm |
I am shocked, shocked, that a noble Amazon Indian living in peace with mother earth would be victimized in this manner.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:44:49pm |
re: #401 Shiplord Kirel
Speaking of health care, and never one to miss a chance to boast about my children, my little blonde munchkin (who is 6 feet tall and 27 years old now, but still my baby) has accepted an offer from the CDC and will be going to work there in September.
She received her doctorate in biochemistry in May.
proud dad...sweet
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lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:44:49pm |
re: #399 experiencedtraveller
Yeah, I get nervous when I haven't heard about one of those for a while.
Means that someone is still getting away with it.
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HelloDare Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:44:53pm |
N. Korea Escalates War of Words, Calls Clinton Vulgar, Unintelligent
"We cannot but regard Mrs. Clinton as a funny lady as she likes to utter such rhetoric, unaware of the elementary etiquette in the international community," a Foreign Ministry spokesman said, according to North Korean media. "Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping."
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Syrah Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:45:02pm |
re: #332 SpaceJesus
From the very first, I thought you were an insufferable asshole.
You rarely fail to reinforce that impression.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:45:12pm |
OT -
Oh goody, he's digging himself a deeper hole in my opinion...
"I have to say I am surprised by the controversy surrounding my statement, because I think it was a pretty straightforward commentary that you probably don't need to handcuff a guy, a middle-aged man who uses a cane, who's in his own home," Obama said."
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:45:23pm |
re: #399 experiencedtraveller
It is not your routine New Jersey pay-to-play scandal
Sounds more like pay to pee
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Wendya Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:46:02pm |
re: #310 _RememberTonyC
I did a cruise and was there for 2 days ... if you are a golfer, beach person, and a shopper ... it's a good place for about 5 days max.
I was there for 3 years.
I am all Bermuda'd out
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:46:06pm |
re: #378 jill e
They are accused of trafficking fake Gucci bags and KIDNEYS from Israeli donors??? Too weird!
What's worse is some people will use the fact that rabbis were charged to imply some sort of Jewish conspiracy. Alex Jones will surely do so.
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snowcrash Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:46:34pm |
This MD knows that it is totally unacceptable to portray a Black man as any type of savage or primitive person. No excuses, everyone knows this. It is willful racism.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:46:43pm |
re: #411 HelloDare
N. Korea Escalates War of Words, Calls Clinton Vulgar, Unintelligent
"We cannot but regard Mrs. Clinton as a funny lady as she likes to utter such rhetoric, unaware of the elementary etiquette in the international community," a Foreign Ministry spokesman said, according to North Korean media. "Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping."
First time I EVER AGREED with North Korea.
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HelloDare Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:46:52pm |
re: #412 Syrah
From the very first, I thought you were an insufferable asshole.
You rarely fail to reinforce that impression.
If we all ignore him, hopefully he'll go away.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:47:28pm |
re: #403 Fenway_Nation
Or maybe Vince the Sham-Wow guy...Barry could wear an earpiece and pepper his press conferences with 'You gettin' this, camrea guy?'
Good image, but unfair; I've never used a sham-wow, but I'd guess it works a lot better than the health care system Obama wants to inflict on us.
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Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:47:55pm |
re: #413 Walter L. Newton
OT -
Oh goody, he's digging himself a deeper hole in my opinion...
"I have to say I am surprised by the controversy surrounding my statement, because I think it was a pretty straightforward commentary that you probably don't need to handcuff a guy, a middle-aged man who uses a cane, who's in his own home," Obama said."
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
Tell that to half the people who end up on COPS.
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:48:08pm |
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:48:40pm |
re: #416 Dark_Falcon
What's worse is some people will use the fact that rabbis were charged to imply some sort of Jewish conspiracy. Alex Jones will surely do so.
Especially, as the WSJ reports, since the Rabbis were nailed in the money-laundering aspect of the case.
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doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:48:41pm |
re: #401 Shiplord Kirel
Speaking of health care, and never one to miss a chance to boast about my children, my little blonde munchkin (who is 6 feet tall and 27 years old now, but still my baby) has accepted an offer from the CDC and will be going to work there in September.
She received her doctorate in biochemistry in May.
That's wonderful. Your pride is certainly justified.
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HelloDare Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:48:46pm |
re: #420 Kosh's Shadow
Good image, but unfair; I've never used a sham-wow, but I'd guess it works a lot better than the health care system Obama wants to inflict on us.
Every American got a free Sham-Wow as part of the Stimulus package. You didn't get yours?
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albusteve Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:48:56pm |
re: #415 Wendya
I was there for 3 years.
I am all Bermuda'd out
Bermuda does not even compare to Jamaica for gorgeous scenery, history and a very rich culture...higglers can be aggressive all over the Caribbean, near high density tourist areas
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Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:49:03pm |
re: #411 HelloDare
N. Korea Escalates War of Words, Calls Clinton Vulgar, Unintelligent
"We cannot but regard Mrs. Clinton as a funny lady as she likes to utter such rhetoric, unaware of the elementary etiquette in the international community," a Foreign Ministry spokesman said, according to North Korean media. "Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping."
Hard to argue with that.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:49:04pm |
re: #411 HelloDare
N. Korea Escalates War of Words, Calls Clinton Vulgar, Unintelligent
"We cannot but regard Mrs. Clinton as a funny lady as she likes to utter such rhetoric, unaware of the elementary etiquette in the international community," a Foreign Ministry spokesman said, according to North Korean media. "Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping."
I think we need to put Mandy on the State Department payroll and have her issue a proper response to this.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:49:20pm |
re: #411 HelloDare
N. Korea Escalates War of Words, Calls Clinton Vulgar, Unintelligent
"We cannot but regard Mrs. Clinton as a funny lady as she likes to utter such rhetoric, unaware of the elementary etiquette in the international community," a Foreign Ministry spokesman said, according to North Korean media. "Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping."
Hah! So when have these Nork shills seen a pensioner going shopping as opposed to, say, begging for grass and a few rice grains beside the road? Maybe during their prostitute recruiting trips to Sweden.
| 431 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:49:26pm |
re: #411 HelloDare
N. Korea Escalates War of Words, Calls Clinton Vulgar, Unintelligent
"We cannot but regard Mrs. Clinton as a funny lady as she likes to utter such rhetoric, unaware of the elementary etiquette in the international community," a Foreign Ministry spokesman said, according to North Korean media. "Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping."
Kim is going to be ronery, with no visits from Hillary.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:49:49pm |
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wrenchwench Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:49:50pm |
LGF Spy is a powerful tool. Thanks, Charles.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:49:51pm |
Oh boy, here we go in class, professor is going to start talking about post-9/11 Foreign Policy of the US.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:50:05pm |
re: #422 Kenneth
Or better yet, Benny Hill!
[Video]
That would have been good for the picture of him checking out the teenage butt.
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agarrett Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:50:35pm |
I just want to be clear here. A picture sent out by an activist is supposed to reflect badly on anyone involved in the movement in which he is active. Is that correct? Really?
An old saying - "There is no cause so right you can't find a fool following it."
Commit that to memory.
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Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:50:38pm |
re: #435 TheMatrix31
Oh boy, here we go in class, professor is going to start talking about post-9/11 Foreign Policy of the US.
Keep a recorder handy
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jill e Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:50:49pm |
re: #416 Dark_Falcon
What's worse is some people will use the fact that rabbis were charged to imply some sort of Jewish conspiracy. Alex Jones will surely do so.
Yes. Basis of this thread that people use the ignorance and fear of others to promote their own sick agendas.
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theheat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:51:00pm |
As I said on another thread, since and before the election I've received plenty of wink-wink nudge-nudge outright racist shit from conservatives/churchers. You know, like between us friends, and the conservatives that act like they're sharing the inside skinny.
It isn't okay when lefties do it. It still isn't okay when the righties do it. None of it's okay.
Draw Jay Leno with a huge chin, or some other cartoonish physical exaggeration, but don't pursue the path of outright racist stereotypes. Obama being lured by a watermelon (yeah, I remember that one), or as a shoe shine boy, shining Palin's shoes, or the onslaught of racist jokes (I recall, in particular, a preacher's son 'had a million of 'em,' he couldn't wait to share between 'us friends.' Usually, at the bottom of all these insider conservative FW FW emails would be some crap about God, or about blessing America, as if they were immune to anything close to racism with their bullshit pseudo patriotic taglines and godly disclaimers.
It makes me sick when people do this and think it's funny. Cartoons are funny, racism is not. And when the conservatives trot this stuff out, it only makes them look more batshit nuts, and actually backfires by confirming yet another stereotype that conservatives, themselves, are racist.
Congratulations, Dr. McKalip. Epic fucking fail, you racist dumbass.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:51:23pm |
re: #433 wrenchwench
LGF Spy is a powerful tool. Thanks, Charles.
Space Jesus is a tool, thank's a lot Charles.
///
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jcm Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:51:27pm |
re: #385 nikis-knight
Have you heard Prager talk about this, in connection to school yards? Basically to the effect of he wants his kids, and people in general, standing up to bullies, so he is irritated when the teachers respond with "I don't care who started it!"
Might not really apply to squabbles among siblings, hopefully.
I posted a rant on the subject awhile back. My boys were in trouble at pre-school for using finger guns.
In modern terms at school both aggressor and defender get equal treatment, equal punishment. Part of the "violence never solves anything" mindset. From a very young age kids are trained not to defend themselves because it is just the same as starting it.
Fast forward these Virginia Tech on April 16, 2007. Violence never solves anything, fighting back is just as bad as starting it. EXCUSE ME? One person with a gun and using justified violence, or 5 or 6 people willing to use anything at hand and as much violence as they could muster would have stopped it. Violence never solves anything my ass.
My boys will be taught defending themselves is justified, defending others is justified. Starting the fight is not acceptable, finishing it is.
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:51:32pm |
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:51:35pm |
re: #373 J.S.
Sooo, you were going to tell us how the Uyghurs wound up in Bermuda?
The premier of Bermuda is Ewart Brown ...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Brown's son is a doctor in LA named Kevin Brown. He has been charged with many counts of sexual assault. According to the local guy in Bermuda, Dr. Brown was being held without bail. Also according to the local guy, Premier Brown offered to take the Uighers and soon after, his son was offered bail. Given the magnitude of the charges, someone very high up had to intercede on the son's behalf. And since Premier Brown did the POTUS a big favor by taking the Uighers, and did it in a way that pissed off his own cabinet as well as the UK officials, there is a certain smell test that this is not passing.
Here's a story about the son ... [Link: www.royalgazette.com...]
I hope that someone like Zombie looks into this. It could be nothing, but it could be something.
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Fred72 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:51:39pm |
re: #19 ctrlL
You know, I am in total agreement. This is a picture of a tribal doctor that represents the country of O's father and is attempting to show that our country's medical care is about to take a giant step backward to 3rd world status thanks to the O's mis-diagnosis.
Nothing wrong with this pic at all, imho.
But that is not what Kenyan doctors are like. Much like doctors elsewhere in the world, they wear white coats, work in buildings, and follow the same standards of care as many other countries. Your typical Kenyan hospital is probably not as nice as a US hospital (we have some of the best healthcare in the world), but they're closer than you apparently thought.
And this is why people are bothered. The image represents a stereotype, not reality.
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TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:51:48pm |
re: #439 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Keep a recorder handy
Don't have one, my friend. I wonder if there's a recorder on my laptop.
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doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:52:08pm |
re: #435 TheMatrix31
Oh boy, here we go in class, professor is going to start talking about post-9/11 Foreign Policy of the US.
Just think about happy hour.
| 449 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:52:21pm |
re: #411 HelloDare
N. Korea Escalates War of Words, Calls Clinton Vulgar, Unintelligent
"We cannot but regard Mrs. Clinton as a funny lady as she likes to utter such rhetoric, unaware of the elementary etiquette in the international community," a Foreign Ministry spokesman said, according to North Korean media. "Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping."
This from the cult of Lil'Kim?!
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:52:28pm |
re: #413 Walter L. Newton
OT -
Oh goody, he's digging himself a deeper hole in my opinion...
"I have to say I am surprised by the controversy surrounding my statement, because I think it was a pretty straightforward commentary that you probably don't need to handcuff a guy, a middle-aged man who uses a cane, who's in his own home," Obama said."
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
How are the good people of Massachusetts reacting to this? This morning, a few posters said they weren't very happy with 0's statement.
| 451 |
_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:52:38pm |
re: #415 Wendya
I was there for 3 years.
I am all Bermuda'd out
I'd go back ... but for a few days at most :)
| 452 |
Eowyn2 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:52:47pm |
re: #169 Racer X
Were the horrible pictures of John Mcain portrayed as a vampire racist?
no, the undead are not a racist. They are undeadaphobic
| 453 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:52:51pm |
re: #433 wrenchwench
LGF Spy is a powerful tool. Thanks, Charles.
It's interesting to watch the sneaky racists going through and updinging racist comments, who are too cowardly to actually post anything themselves.
| 454 |
jcm Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:53:08pm |
re: #411 HelloDare
N. Korea Escalates War of Words, Calls Clinton Vulgar, Unintelligent
"We cannot but regard Mrs. Clinton as a funny lady as she likes to utter such rhetoric, unaware of the elementary etiquette in the international community," a Foreign Ministry spokesman said, according to North Korean media. "Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping."
Dear God help me!
I agree with the Norks!
semi/
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nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:53:47pm |
re: #443 jcm
Yes, children absolutely must be raised to see the difference between violence and aggression.
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:54:00pm |
re: #385 nikis-knight
Have you heard Prager talk about this, in connection to school yards? Basically to the effect of he wants his kids, and people in general, standing up to bullies, so he is irritated when the teachers respond with "I don't care who started it!"
Might not really apply to squabbles among siblings, hopefully.
Standing up to bullying is OK by me and my kids know I have their back as long as they have done everything reasonable to avoid scuffles prior to retaliation. I generally try to let the domestic squabbles handle themselves too. "I'm not wearing a striped shirt" is one of MommyG's favorite lines.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:54:03pm |
re: #438 agarrett
I just want to be clear here. A picture sent out by an activist is supposed to reflect badly on anyone involved in the movement in which he is active. Is that correct? Really?
An old saying - "There is no cause so right you can't find a fool following it."
Commit that to memory.
(Why do I even waste my time, he won't answer) Have you been keeping track of ALL the nuts that are attaching themselves to the Tea Parties? It's not just "a fool" or a small contingent of fools, it's major movements, nazis, Ron Paulites, militia groups etc.
Before you try shooting your mouth off, find out if your gunpowder is all wet.
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:55:30pm |
re: #387 wahabicorridor
Hey. You sound just like my old man. You're raising a passle of wahabicorridors, ya know.
Worse things could happen. But thank you!
| 461 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:55:40pm |
We haven't seen this many deletions is a long time.
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:56:06pm |
Father, mother, brother charged in 'honour killings'
What a surprise, even the Toronto Star is calling the murders honour killings.
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nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:56:07pm |
re: #458 DaddyG
Standing up to bullying is OK by me and my kids know I have their back as long as they have done everything reasonable to avoid scuffles prior to retaliation. I generally try to let the domestic squabbles handle themselves too. "I'm not wearing a striped shirt" is one of MommyG's favorite lines.
I wondered for a moment if your wife felt like a prisoner, but I realize you probably mean a referee. :)
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SecondComing Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:56:13pm |
re: #286 mockery jones
tell me i am fucking crazy. i love it.
you see a black man dressed as a savage.
i see the medical credentials of the man who wants to overhaul the health care system of our entire nation.
who is being the racist?
you.
| 467 |
Eowyn2 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:56:17pm |
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albusteve Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:56:19pm |
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:56:28pm |
re: #441 theheat
There do seem to be a lot more racist jokes around these days, as though the presence of a black man in the White House somehow cancels out 300+ years of history.
I heard one the other day that was especially vulgar and stupid. Won't repeat it here, obviously, but it involved the usual monkeys and bananas. When I recovered, I said that anyone who thought it was funny could resign from the human race as far as I am concerned.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:56:32pm |
Jeez, _remembertonyc...doing the job the MSM won't.
BTW, how's this Gates/Crowley fiasco playing inside the Hub? Going through the comments at the Globe and Herald's website, I could sense a growing schism amongst the Bay-State's 0 and Cadillac Patrick's fan club.
| 471 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:56:56pm |
re: #441 theheat
Congratulations, Dr. McKalip. Epic fucking fail, you racist dumbass.
Best. Response. Yet.
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karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:56:59pm |
Ok - for those too dense to see it.
The idea being portrayed here is that Obama is a primative.
Primative medicine.
From a primative culture.
And in case you missed the last 200 years of human history, the whole idea of seeing "primatives" as inferior to Europeans powered a lot of institutions, including -
1) slavery
2) colonialization
3) the Nazis
among others.
In the last 30 years, most of the world sees such ideas as offensive. Yet there are people who are members of these races who will scream that those who are not of their race still think that way.
That thinking drives several modern instituions -
1) Universities
2) The Democratic party (and its capacity to raise money)
3) The self-iscrediting-yet-large leftist blogosphere.
Those who think this is an innocent picture really don't undertsand how they appear to be resurecting the first set of institutions which simply hands more power to the second set of institutions.
Oh - and it is offensive.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:57:09pm |
re: #438 agarrett
I just want to be clear here. A picture sent out by an activist is supposed to reflect badly on anyone involved in the movement in which he is active. Is that correct? Really?
An old saying - "There is no cause so right you can't find a fool following it."
Commit that to memory.
You haven't been here long have you. You also may want to commit something to memory
"You're judged by the company you keep"
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Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:57:46pm |
re: #468 albusteve
target rich environment
I keep expecting Hudson to chime in. "They're coming out of the God damn walls."
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:57:54pm |
re: #327 ExCamelJockey
Where does the racism come in?
Historical context. Put George Bush's face on a donkey - not racism. Put George Bush's face on a plantation owner - racism. Put Barak Obama's face on a surgeon - not racism. Put Barak Obama's face on a witch doctor - racism.
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J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:58:20pm |
re: #445 _RememberTonyC
wow. Does indeed look suspicious...I would figure that Dr. Brown is a "flight risk" (should have had his passport confiscated, imo..)
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victor_yugo Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:59:13pm |
re: #121 MandyManners
If someone wants to say that FCBBHO's economics are "vodoo economics" in the way that Pres. Reagan's economics were attacked I'd have no problem.
Fine, we'll just send out a photo of Steve Martin on SNL as the medieval blood-letter.
Eye of newt, a couple leeches, the right incantation, and voila! the health care system is fixed.
As in neutered.
Is that un-racist enough?
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DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:59:25pm |
re: #453 Charles
It's interesting to watch the sneaky racists going through and updinging racist comments, who are too cowardly to actually post anything themselves.
I can help my Karma by being a bigot? Wow, now I have an ethical dilemma on my hands. /
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lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 1:59:54pm |
re: #470 Fenway_Nation
It's always brutal when there's a Lefty on Lefty squabble up in MA. Neither side is ever capable of admitting that they were wrong, so the schisms last forever. Plus, there are (virtually) no Republicans to attack up there, so they have a lot of pent up rage to vent.
| 480 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:00:10pm |
Perhaps we should adapt the golden rule a bit:
Before you forward a picture of someone you disagree with, ask yourself: Would I forward this same picture if my friend [insert name here], who is [insert race here], was in the picture instead?
That right there should stop you cold turkey.
The photo is appalling, and Dr. McKalip should immediately offer an apology directly to President Obama and to America for bringing the discourse down to the level of a racist.
| 481 |
jwb7605 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:00:20pm |
re: #453 Charles
It's interesting to watch the sneaky racists going through and updinging racist comments, who are too cowardly to actually post anything themselves.
I've been lurking, reading, watching, and apparently, I'm a racist.
I don't think I up (or down) dinged anybody (SpaceJesus isn't worth the click).
My initial impression of the picture was "yup ... Obama's plans would set health care back. Maybe not that far, but backwards."
I had similar reactions when Bush was portrayed as a gunslinger cowboy, and Cheney was portrayed as Darth Vader.
I didn't know that was racist, either.
I'll go away now.
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Syrah Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:00:24pm |
re: #438 agarrett
I just want to be clear here. A picture sent out by an activist is supposed to reflect badly on anyone involved in the movement in which he is active. Is that correct? Really?
An old saying - "There is no cause so right you can't find a fool following it."
Commit that to memory.
In a fair world, we could all stand back, point at the fool and say, "don't judge us by his words or his actions." and the world would accept the truth of that and move along.
This is not a fair world.
We have to make some effort to ensure that we can weed out the worst of the fools, and persuade the lesser fools to at least be mindful of their manners.
In the internet age, the fools become very costly to the movement.
| 483 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:00:25pm |
What concerns me is with the rise of collectivist politics, some folks resort to identity politics instead of valuing the worth of the individual, but really identity politics is just a different form of collectivist politics. Be weary of those who don't argue from the foundation of individual rights. They're not allies.
| 484 |
agarrett Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:00:37pm |
re: #459 Walter L. Newton
If you'd be so kind, could you give me an example of a mass movement you find sufficiently free of morons?
Now, you could quite reasonably take the position that you will avoid mass movements. Entirely consistent, possibly rational. You could try taking leadership positions only, which is harder in a group that, as of this time, does not have any such. Calling the tea party movement a group is itself stretching it, since (again at this point) it appears to be closer to a label that is being applied to a fairly large number of more local groupings.
So, continuing to shoot my mouth off, I'd prefer looking at what each local movement is doing. Some very well might be dominated by the people you mention, and I'd avoid those. Others are not. I'm quite happy associating with them.
| 485 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:00:45pm |
re: #445 _RememberTonyC
That is just despicable. If the Obama administration applied pressure to the court so this creep could get bail, that's a major scandal. Or it would be, if the press were doing its job.
| 486 |
centaur Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:00:48pm |
Gotta agree with Iron Fist here, and disagree with Charles. Never been to a tea party myself, so that's not my angle, but my first thought at looking at this crude photoshop is: "Witchdoctor. Yes, that fits."
And I don't think an "alchemist" would have been as effective. I think we live in a society that leaps to accusations of racism too easily. Again, I've never been to a "tea party" website, so unless this sort of thing--Obama in African/tribal garb--is a recurrent theme, then I will not take that leap and scream "racism" in this one instance.
| 487 |
big steve Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:01:39pm |
For those who fail to see the inherent racism in the picture that started this post, what if it had been a picture of George W. Bush depicting his genitalia as abnormally small? After all isn't that a stereotype of white males? If such a picture had been made, I would have found it very offensive.
| 488 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:01:53pm |
re: #477 victor_yugo
Fine, we'll just send out a photo of Steve Martin on SNL as the medieval blood-letter.
Eye of newt, a couple leeches, the right incantation, and voila! the health care system is fixed.
As in neutered.
Is that un-racist enough?
Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber. Works for me.
| 489 |
wrenchwench Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:01:57pm |
re: #461 Killgore Trout
We haven't seen this many deletions is a long time.
It's nice to see that at least one blogger isn't worried about banning as many readers as he has to in order to keep the house clean. It certainly keeps the blog readable, I hope it keeps it...wait, what's a word that means "sustainable" that doesn't give me the willies?
| 490 |
DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:01:59pm |
re: #461 Killgore Trout
We haven't seen this many deletions is a long time.
Its starting to look like a CIA response to a freedom of information request. /
| 491 |
Buck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:02:31pm |
re: #463 Kenneth
Father, mother, brother charged in 'honour killings'
What a surprise, even the Toronto Star is calling the murders honour killings.
You think this will escape the Canadian Human Rights Commission scrutiny?
| 492 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:02:44pm |
re: #483 Sharmuta
You hit the nail on the head there. Identity politics is a collectivism-lite. Obama is all about identity politics, it's what he worked on as a community organizer, it's what he did as a state senator and he pursues it as POTUS.
| 493 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:02:53pm |
re: #477 victor_yugo
Fine, we'll just send out a photo of Steve Martin on SNL as the medieval blood-letter.
Eye of newt, a couple leeches, the right incantation, and voila! the health care system is fixed.
As in neutered.
Is that un-racist enough?
As others have noted previously, you could dress FCBBHO up as a medieval blood-letter and it would not be racist.
| 494 |
Joan Not of Arc Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:03:00pm |
There are plenty of things one could criticise Obama for- his lying, his hubris, his constant need for attention, his finger-wagging, his finger-pointing, appeasement, ties to questionable people, his "mom jeans". Those things are fertile territory for legitimate criticism, even well-done satire.
This picture is just gutter-raking- the kind I expect Palin-haters to engage in.
| 495 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:03:12pm |
re: #438 agarrett
I just want to be clear here. A picture sent out by an activist is supposed to reflect badly on anyone involved in the movement in which he is active. Is that correct? Really?
An old saying - "There is no cause so right you can't find a fool following it."
Commit that to memory.
It is a foul, racist picture which disrespects the office of the POTUS, and reflects badly on anyone who finds it appropriate to forward it to others.
Commit that to memory.
| 496 |
karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:03:35pm |
re: #492 Kenneth
You hit the nail on the head there. Identity politics is a collectivism-lite. Obama is all about identity politics, it's what he worked on as a community organizer, it's what he did as a state senator and he pursues it as POTUS.
And we are handing them ammunition. Truckloads of ammunition.
| 498 |
pink freud Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:04:01pm |
re: #435 TheMatrix31
Oh boy, here we go in class, professor is going to start talking about post-9/11 Foreign Policy of the US.
My condolences.
Prepare yourself for lots of use of the word "preemptive".
| 499 |
J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:04:08pm |
re: #483 Sharmuta
you mean, like, Canadians who have written into the constitution "group rights" aren't allies?
| 500 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:04:32pm |
I've been plowing through a list of TV favorites over the last 10 years over at the Guardian web site. Everyone seems to like "The Sopranos", "The Wire", "Deadwood", "Six Feet Under", "Dexter", etc. as you'd expect but there seems to be this extreme Brit love for "The West Wing". I'm puzzled.
| 501 |
Daria Emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:04:33pm |
| 502 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:04:42pm |
re: #497 Dianna
What are "mom jeans"?
Aha! So I'm not the only one who didn't know! I had to ask about that when the topic came up before. I was clueless then. I still don't see why it's funny, but apparently my sense of humor does not fit into the 21st century.
| 503 |
agarrett Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:04:47pm |
re: #482 Syrah
That's a fair enough comment, and one I can agree with. Does anyone know what the reaction on the email thread was to the original picture? That would probably be a telling bit of information.
I can agree, better still it were never sent - and agree with your reasons for that.
| 504 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:04:56pm |
re: #497 Dianna
What are "mom jeans"?
Jeans that ride at your natural waist. They are considered very unhip and outdated.
| 506 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:05:01pm |
re: #483 Sharmuta
What concerns me is with the rise of collectivist politics, some folks resort to identity politics instead of valuing the worth of the individual, but really identity politics is just a different form of collectivist politics. Be weary of those who don't argue from the foundation of individual rights. They're not allies.
keen observation...right over peoples heads tho I'm affraid...going to church even made me feel a bit uncomfortable, like a drone...that's not politics (?) but I like being by myself even when I know there are many people that have the same ideals...probably doesn't make much sense
| 507 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:05:04pm |
re: #491 Buck
You think this will escape the Canadian Human Rights Commission scrutiny?
The Canadian Human Rights Commission is probably building a case against all the journalists and police spokesmen for calling these murders "honour killings." Don't they know how racially insensitive that phrase is?
| 508 |
mardukhai Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:05:06pm |
I've been a Lizard since forever, and I support health care reform. Call me a communist all you want, but don't call me a Canadian.
| 509 |
poteen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:05:09pm |
Presidents have been fair game for lying, hateful, religious, libelous and racist attacks since 1789. With controversy following all.
/But things are different now??
A man with a Doctorate should have known better but he's not a Grand Dragon in the KKK either.
This is an instance for 'proportionate response"
| 510 |
jcm Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:06:08pm |
re: #491 Buck
You think this will escape the Canadian Human Rights Commission scrutiny?
The Toronto Star's racial bias in calling it an honor killing?
Nope.
| 511 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:06:17pm |
If anyone would like to let the good doctor know how you feel...
[Link: www.mckalip.yourmd.com...]
| 512 |
J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:06:27pm |
| 513 |
Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:06:31pm |
re: #487 big steve
For those who fail to see the inherent racism in the picture that started this post, what if it had been a picture of George W. Bush depicting his genitalia as abnormally small? After all isn't that a stereotype of white males? If such a picture had been made, I would have found it very offensive.
Indeed. As part of my ongoing commitment to human rights, I have spent a large part of my adult life refuting that one.
| 514 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:06:41pm |
Hasn't been too bad so far...no typical nonsense codewords yet.
| 515 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:06:42pm |
re: #505 buzzsawmonkey
re: #488 doppelganglander
Under Obamacare, you will be able to keep the leeches you had before. In fact, it will be necessary that you do so, because mixing up the leeches would entail serious problems given the attendant risk of spreading HIV. Everyone will have their own special jar of leeches at the National Government Leech Depository.
But what if I want to keep mine at home as a pet? I thought I'd name him Larry. Big Government is infringing on my leech privacy!
| 516 |
Ringo the Gringo Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:06:44pm |
This kind of crap is embarrassing, but unfortunately it is also unavoidable in a free society. The best we can do is condemn it when we see it.
The good news is that, in a country of over 300 million people, this type of juvenile, racist humor has become increasingly rare, and that the vast majority of Americans find it offensive and unacceptable.
| 517 |
Buck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:06:46pm |
re: #507 Kenneth
The Canadian Human Rights Commission is probably building a case against all the journalists and police spokesmen for calling these murders "honour killings." Don't they know how racially insensitive that phrase is?
It will come up...
| 518 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:06:56pm |
| 519 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:07:00pm |
re: #501 Daria Emmons
MOM JEANS!
That made be laugh and blush. I had several pairs of those jeans back in the day. LOL
| 520 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:07:03pm |
Another unpleasant fact about this incident:
Dr. David McKalip, a conservative activist and member of the American Medical Association’s House of Delegates...
...who will now be asked to resign that position. Reducing conservative representation on that body by one, and driving any that remains underground.
For those who can't see farther than the practical consequences of such idiocy.
| 521 |
big steve Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:07:09pm |
| 522 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:07:35pm |
re: #499 J.S.
you mean, like, Canadians who have written into the constitution "group rights" aren't allies?
No, no, no... Mulroney and his Meech Lake Accord attempted to put group rights into the Canadian Constitution. That bad idea was shot down. The Canadian Constitution is a classical liberal democratic document which enshrines individual rights.
| 523 |
HelloDare Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:07:41pm |
For months now, the Pennsylvania Democratic power-broker's name has been popping up in connection to a wide-ranging FBI investigation of defense contractors and lobbyists to whom he has ties. And yesterday brought more bad news...
Mark O'Hair, a former Air Force employee pleaded guilty (sub. req.) Monday in connection to getting a kickback from a defense contract that Murtha, who chairs the House Defense Appropriations subcommittee, had provided.
| 524 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:07:43pm |
re: #515 doppelganglander
But what if I want to keep mine at home as a pet? I thought I'd name him Larry. Big Government is infringing on my leech privacy!
Sorry, PETA says leeches need to be kept in natural environments, like the Capitol building, not as pets.
| 525 |
karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:07:51pm |
| 526 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:08:01pm |
re: #492 Kenneth
You hit the nail on the head there. Identity politics is a collectivism-lite. Obama is all about identity politics, it's what he worked on as a community organizer, it's what he did as a state senator and he pursues it as POTUS.
I don't disagree, but I'm talking about the right-wing variety. I'm well aware of the issues with the left and why I disagree with them, but I'm also concerned about what is ailing my party.
And this shit at the top of the page is just wrong. I don't care what side of the aisle is pushing it.
| 527 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:08:19pm |
re: #484 agarrett
If you'd be so kind, could you give me an example of a mass movement you find sufficiently free of morons?
Now, you could quite reasonably take the position that you will avoid mass movements. Entirely consistent, possibly rational. You could try taking leadership positions only, which is harder in a group that, as of this time, does not have any such. Calling the tea party movement a group is itself stretching it, since (again at this point) it appears to be closer to a label that is being applied to a fairly large number of more local groupings.
So, continuing to shoot my mouth off, I'd prefer looking at what each local movement is doing. Some very well might be dominated by the people you mention, and I'd avoid those. Others are not. I'm quite happy associating with them.
The problem is, in general, none of the Tea Party groups have said much of anything about the "kooks" that are latching on to them. Tacit acceptance.
You know not what you are talking about.
| 528 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:08:46pm |
re: #513 Shiplord Kirel
Indeed. As part of my ongoing commitment to human rights, I have spent a large part of my adult life refuting that one.
No more body part puns lest I get testes.
| 529 |
JacksonTn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:08:48pm |
re: #506 albusteve
keen observation...right over peoples heads tho I'm affraid...going to church even made me feel a bit uncomfortable, like a drone...that's not politics (?) but I like being by myself even when I know there are many people that have the same ideals...probably doesn't make much sense
albusteve ... Hey Grandpa! ... sounds like you need to live on an island somewhere ... ya think? ...
96 degrees ...
| 530 |
Lincolntf Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:08:56pm |
Wow. Massive thunder and lightning storm rolling through my neighborhood right now. Think I'll log off before my power goes out. Have a good day all.
| 531 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:09:09pm |
re: #523 HelloDare
For months now, the Pennsylvania Democratic power-broker's name has been popping up in connection to a wide-ranging FBI investigation of defense contractors and lobbyists to whom he has ties. And yesterday brought more bad news...
Mark O'Hair, a former Air Force employee pleaded guilty (sub. req.) Monday in connection to getting a kickback from a defense contract that Murtha, who chairs the House Defense Appropriations subcommittee, had provided.
I'd love to see that bastard Murtha spend his last days rotting in a cell
| 532 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:09:21pm |
re: #524 Kosh's Shadow
Sorry, PETA says leeches need to be kept in natural environments, like the Capitol building, not as pets.
Sorry. They are not "pets" you animalist. They are "companion animals."
| 533 |
Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:09:35pm |
re: #528 MandyManners
No more body part puns lest I get testes.
Well, the issue does arise from time to time...
| 534 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:09:36pm |
What an absolutely disgusting picture. WTF are these people thinking? Will crap like this help get their point across?
Flipping idiots on all sides.
| 535 |
Syrah Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:09:47pm |
re: #503 agarrett
That's a fair enough comment, and one I can agree with. Does anyone know what the reaction on the email thread was to the original picture? That would probably be a telling bit of information.
I can agree, better still it were never sent - and agree with your reasons for that.
I think that the important thing to keep in mind about the original email thread is that the picture and its association with Dr. Lifeandcareernowinthetoilet were made public. Nobody should be under the misimpression that there is any privacy or anonymity anymore especially in politics.
We must not let are friends to embarrass us, and we should not allow ourselves to embarrass our friends.
| 536 |
karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:09:49pm |
re: #514 TheMatrix31
Hasn't been too bad so far...no typical nonsense codewords yet.
No "Hegemonic" or "Unilateral" or "missed opportunity?"
| 537 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:09:53pm |
re: #531 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I'd love to see that bastard Murtha spend his last days rotting in a cell
P.S. With Obama Care for his medical coverage.
| 538 |
WinterCat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:09:57pm |
re: #528 MandyManners
No more body part puns lest I get testes.
Only a boob would continue the body parts puns.
| 539 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:10:08pm |
re: #532 Creeping Eruption
Sorry. They are not "pets" you animalist. They are "companion animals."
aka delicious
| 540 |
IslandLibertarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:10:42pm |
| 541 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:10:45pm |
re: #536 karmic_inquisitor
No "Hegemonic" or "Unilateral" or "missed opportunity?"
Not yet...although we just got our first mention of "pre-emption".
| 542 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:10:47pm |
re: #502 vxbush
Aha! So I'm not the only one who didn't know! I had to ask about that when the topic came up before. I was clueless then. I still don't see why it's funny, but apparently my sense of humor does not fit into the 21st century.
My daughter informed me a few years ago that I was hopelessly frumpy. She is the family fashionista.
| 543 |
Daria Emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:10:55pm |
re: #526 Sharmuta
I don't disagree, but I'm talking about the right-wing variety. I'm well aware of the issues with the left and why I disagree with them, but I'm also concerned about what is ailing my party.
And this shit at the top of the page is just wrong. I don't care what side of the aisle is pushing it.
The good news is that Obama-as-witch doctor is not mainstream, and not as pervasive in the Repub party as the hatred within the Dem party.
(not that it makes it right - but I am only trying to look on some small bright side)
| 544 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:10:57pm |
re: #499 J.S.
you mean, like, Canadians who have written into the constitution "group rights" aren't allies?
Yes- I'm specifically targeting Canadians collectively in an effort to show my personal abhorrence to collectivist politics. Come on.
| 545 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:11:14pm |
re: #538 WinterCat
Only a boob would continue the body parts puns.
You just had to get that off your chest, didn't you?
| 546 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:11:27pm |
re: #497 Dianna
What are "mom jeans"?
Jeans that are high enough over the waist to cover granny panties.
| 547 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:11:30pm |
| 548 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:11:41pm |
re: #533 Shiplord Kirel
Well, the issue does arise from time to time...
I'm gonna' hop into my Vulva and drive home.
| 549 |
Lee Coller Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:11:57pm |
re: #484 agarrett
If you'd be so kind, could you give me an example of a mass movement you find sufficiently free of morons?
The issue isn't the morons, the issue is the non-morons who fail to make any effort to distance themselves from the morons and instead act like they welcome them into their fold.
| 550 |
callahan23 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:12:03pm |
re: #545 Creeping Eruption
You just had to get that off your chest, didn't you?
Oh is that the new word for soul?
| 551 |
WinterCat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:12:07pm |
re: #545 Creeping Eruption
You just had to get that off your chest, didn't you?
Yes I did. Butt I didn't start it.
| 552 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:12:07pm |
| 553 |
nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:12:15pm |
re: #545 Creeping Eruption
You just had to get that off your chest, didn't you?
If so, that makes the second sex-change this thread has allegedly caused.
| 554 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:12:28pm |
| 555 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:12:49pm |
re: #542 doppelganglander
My daughter informed me a few years ago that I was hopelessly frumpy. She is the family fashionista.
And so as not to embarrass her in public, she became hopelessly grounded?
| 556 |
J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:12:53pm |
re: #522 Kenneth
No! Individual rights? (I've read that the equivalent to the U.S. Bill of Rights -- Canada's version (that Charter of Rights and Freedoms) -- the Canadian Charter enshrines group rights...and that "group rights" have been upheld by the Canadian Supreme Court, hasn't it? (wiki confirms this also, btw...)
| 558 |
WinterCat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:13:30pm |
re: #552 MandyManners
I ear ya'.
You have to keep a leg up on the competition here. These punsters are good.
| 559 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:13:51pm |
re: #546 CyanSnowHawk
Jeans that are high enough over the waist to cover granny panties.
Hey...Those panties are comfy!
| 560 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:13:54pm |
re: #548 MandyManners
I'm gonna' hop into my Vulva and drive home.
I'm not gonna ask about emissions from that thing.
| 561 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:14:14pm |
re: #456 nikis-knight
Yes, children absolutely must be raised to see the difference between violence and aggression.
The problem for modern school is that if they do not punish both parties to the fight, they will eventually be sued by some litigious parent. Most administrators neither want nor can really afford to have to go through a complicated legal procedure to defend their decisions, so they take the path of least resistance.
| 562 |
Daria Emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:14:19pm |
re: #527 Walter L. Newton
The problem is, in general, none of the Tea Party groups have said much of anything about the "kooks" that are latching on to them. Tacit acceptance.
You know not what you are talking about.
The problem is that the Tea Parties are so numerous, that it is unclear who necessarily "speaks" for the Tea Parties, and how to get rid of kooks who latch onto them.
And while there are numerous kooks, I don't think kooks define the Tea Parties. I think rather the bigger problem with the Tea Parties is they lack any clear vision. They protest, but have no plan of action. What is it they hope to accomplish? I still have no idea.
| 563 |
Joan Not of Arc Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:14:19pm |
re: #497 Dianna
What Daria Emmons said.
| 564 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:14:21pm |
re: #544 Sharmuta
J.S. is mistaken about group rights being in the Canadian Constitution. They are not.
| 565 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:14:25pm |
Ooh, two big earnings misses by Amazon and Microsoft.
/this could bring the 12 session NASDAQ winning streak to an end tomorrow
| 566 |
Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:14:39pm |
re: #548 MandyManners
I'm gonna' hop into my Vulva and drive home.
I wouldn't touch that one with a ten inch pole.
| 567 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:14:50pm |
re: #528 MandyManners
No more body part puns lest I get testes.
Speaking of the natural environment for leeches.
| 568 |
nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:15:05pm |
re: #561 Dark_Falcon
The problem for modern school is that if they do not punish both parties to the fight, they will eventually be sued by some litigious parent. Most administrators neither want nor can really afford to have to go through a complicated legal procedure to defend their decisions, so they take the path of least resistance.
Oh, I wouldn't dream of asking the people raising children to put principles first.
| 570 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:15:27pm |
re: #555 Creeping Eruption
And so as not to embarrass her in public, she became hopelessly grounded?
No, she's very polite about it. I actually took her advice and found that boot cut jeans were more flattering on me. She's like Stacy and Clinton on "What Not to Wear," all about finding what's stylish and flattering on you without being a slave to trends. I actually like taking her shopping with me.
| 571 |
Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:15:33pm |
OT
Follow up on the New Jersey arrests. They're bringing them in by the "bus loads" and it's already up to 30 arrests -- could go into the 40s. 10s of millions involved, money laundering, etc.
"Biggest corruption round up in NJ state history."
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
| 572 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:15:42pm |
re: #528 MandyManners
No more body part puns lest I get testes.
That's two times that you've said that. One more and you can juggle.
| 573 |
J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:16:04pm |
| 574 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:16:05pm |
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
~C.S. Lewis
This "omnipotent moral busybody" is politically not just from the left. They can take on many forms, and Liberty should be mindful of them all.
| 575 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:16:07pm |
re: #545 Creeping Eruption
You just had to get that off your chest, didn't you?
Off the chest and into the drawers.
| 576 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:16:55pm |
re: #571 Gus 802
OT
Follow up on the New Jersey arrests. They're bringing them in by the "bus loads" and it's already up to 30 arrests -- could go into the 40s. 10s of millions involved, money laundering, etc.
"Biggest corruption round up in NJ state history."
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
/don't forget organ traficking, this story is just bizarre
| 577 |
agarrett Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:17:06pm |
re: #527 Walter L. Newton
Walter,
Forgive me, but that's not an answer - though my original question was probably too sarcastic, which is probably why you didn't bother answering it. Seriously, would you give me an example of a mass movement that you believe does not have some similar level of idiotic and/or offensive behavior going through it?
The reason I ask is to try to determine what standards you, or anyone else who cares to answer, is using for this. Are you trying to hold this to some theoretical level of what should be, or comparing against actual organizations?
Incidentally, I've been on LGF for a while, but post very rarely. I have read about some of the incidents, but have also participated in some local protests, and other than a few Ron Paul supporters, haven't seen any real problems.
| 578 |
shug Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:17:09pm |
re: #4 Iron Fist
Words fail me. I don't see what is supposedly so bad about it. It is miles and miles less "racist" than many things the Left published about Condi Rice.
1. and Charles and most lizards were against the cartoons of Condie Rice.
2. I agree it is less offensive than the cartoons of Condie Rice
3. It is offensive
4. Keep the communist logo. I like it.
5. Republicans ought to be smarter. They ought to know that they will be called on their racism and need to be cleaner than clean. There is a double standard, after all.
6. A doctor that supposedly speaks for American physicians ought to know better. He represents a profession dedicated to the equal treatment of all who suffer and should stay as far as possible from anything that could compromise that relationship that physicians have with each and every person, regardless of race
| 579 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:17:12pm |
re: #571 Gus 802
OT
Follow up on the New Jersey arrests. They're bringing them in by the "bus loads" and it's already up to 30 arrests -- could go into the 40s. 10s of millions involved, money laundering, etc.
"Biggest corruption round up in NJ state history."
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Wow. In NJ, that's saying something.
| 580 |
theheat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:17:41pm |
re: #521 big steve
High waisted, optional front pleats, tapered leg, full thigh... Thems is mom jeans. Think Lee Riders in the early 80's. Yup. That's them.
I still have some, but I only wear them for painting or doing the kind of filthy work that would ruin decent jeans.
| 581 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:17:44pm |
re: #570 doppelganglander
No, she's very polite about it. I actually took her advice and found that boot cut jeans were more flattering on me. She's like Stacy and Clinton on "What Not to Wear," all about finding what's stylish and flattering on you without being a slave to trends. I actually like taking her shopping with me.
My idea of shopping is having my wife recon the store, pull out a bunch of stuff she likes and reserve it for me. I go the next day, lay it all out, pick what I like and buy it.
| 582 |
Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:18:01pm |
re: #576 Killian Bundy
/don't forget organ traficking, this story is just bizarre
Yep. Kidneys to be exact.
| 583 |
yochanan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:18:08pm |
frankly this looks like something the left would do to discredit the right.
| 584 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:18:13pm |
re: #576 Killian Bundy
/don't forget organ traficking, this story is just bizarre
Especially since that's one of the things anti-Semites accuse Jews of; I refer to the Turkish movie of a few years ago.
| 585 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:18:42pm |
re: #583 yochanan
frankly this looks like something the left would do to discredit the right.
Oh, for Pete's sake.
| 586 |
Buck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:19:12pm |
re: #584 Kosh's Shadow
Especially since that's one of the things anti-Semites accuse Jews of; I refer to the Turkish movie of a few years ago.
If there is even a hint that any of the organs are Palestinian, well, it will be all over.
| 588 |
IslandLibertarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:19:23pm |
re: #574 Sharmuta
~C.S. Lewis
This "omnipotent moral busybody" is politically not just from the left. They can take on many forms, and Liberty should be mindful of them all.
"Save us from ourselves!"
"We need tending."
"We're victims."
that's all they think they hear...
| 589 |
J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:19:30pm |
| 590 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:19:32pm |
re: #556 J.S.
Please provide a link to support your point please. This is what I found:
One left-wing critic is Professor Michael Mandel, who wrote that in comparison to politicians, judges do not have to be as sensitive to the will of the electorate, nor do they have to make sure their decisions are easily understandable to the average Canadian citizen. This, in Mandel's view, limits democracy. Mandel has also asserted that the Charter makes Canada more like the United States, especially by serving corporate rights and individual rights rather than group rights and social rights.
Meech Lake was going to insert group rights into the constitution, which is why I voted against it. Good thing that piece of crap died.
| 591 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:19:35pm |
re: #573 J.S.
Well- there are some collective rights in the US Constitution, such as our right to peaceably assemble, so it really wasn't what I was getting at. I do think you folks are a little more European in thought than American when it comes to visions.
| 592 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:20:10pm |
re: #586 Buck
If there is even a hint that any of the organs are Palestinian, well, it will be all over.
The whole affair will really blow up then.
| 593 |
Cato the Elder Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:20:25pm |
re: #583 yochanan
frankly this looks like something the left would do to discredit the right.
Yep.
Because the right, being right, is always right, and never does anything to discredit itself.
| 595 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:20:41pm |
re: #587 buzzsawmonkey
Those are not the true "granny panties." The real thing has about a three-inch leg, with a one- to two-inch hem, rather than being cut with an arc over the top of the thigh.
The panties you depict in your link are a veritable thong compared to the real thing.
That is frankly too much info on Granny panties coming from someone I thought (1) was a guy, and (2) is not a granny.
Your not a GrannTranny are you?
| 596 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:20:42pm |
re: #559 Bobblehead
Hey...Those panties are comfy!
Not to mention that when you get into a girls pants when she is wearing mom jeans and granny panties, it is quite an accomplishment.
/What's that swooshing noise I hear behind me, and where did Mandy go?
| 597 |
KenJen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:20:49pm |
| 598 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:20:53pm |
re: #565 Killian Bundy
Ooh, two big earnings misses by Amazon and Microsoft.
/this could bring the 12 session NASDAQ winning streak to an end tomorrow
Substantial losses, but what were expectations? It isn't the loss, it's the distance by which it misses the target that drives price changes.
| 600 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:21:54pm |
re: #581 Creeping Eruption
My idea of shopping is having my wife recon the store, pull out a bunch of stuff she likes and reserve it for me. I go the next day, lay it all out, pick what I like and buy it.
Nice, it's like having a personal shopper.
| 601 |
Big Steve Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:22:20pm |
I was wondering this morning if the Gates arrest was recorded since most cops have their mike on and anything it picks up is recorded. I just read the ABC report and it does say that there is a recording. Has anyone posted it yet?
| 602 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:22:32pm |
Weird, just weird. I Googled my own blog name, and found out that some crackpot on Craigslist accused the Babushka of "identity theft." However the admins at Craigslist deleted the post so I didn't get to find out whose identity I allegedly stole. Maybe it was one of those PETA sockpuppets who got blocked.
| 603 |
DaddyG Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:22:39pm |
| 604 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:22:43pm |
re: #589 J.S.
Thanks for the link. I have to run, but I will read it and give you a careful answer. I did note this at the top of the page:
These rights are guaranteed to "Every individual," that is, every natural person.
| 605 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:23:10pm |
re: #600 doppelganglander
Nice, it's like having a personal shopper.
She's happy I don't look like an idiot (and if I do, its her fault). I'm happy I don't have to shop. Win/win.
| 606 |
jwing Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:23:15pm |
I'm surprised that LGF posted this image -- it doesn't seem within the usual editorial care I've seen. It's a pretty low piece of junk.
Yes, I know it's not as bad as lots of stuff done against Bush, Cheney, Condi, etc. But that's not a reason to a) create such garbage, and b) give it wider audience by being up on LGF.
| 607 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:23:43pm |
re: #599 buzzsawmonkey
I'm sure that Orthodox rabbis would not be involved in organ trafficking. No Orthodox synagogue would have an organ.
Orthodox churches aren't supposed to have them, either. But some do, sadly.
| 608 |
J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:23:47pm |
re: #591 Sharmuta
See my 589 -- it's under Section Fifteen of the Charter... Groups (certain groups ) have rights.
| 609 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:23:47pm |
LMAO...someone raised their hands and mentioned "oil" as a result of going into Iraq, even though my professor hasn't even STARTED on Iraq yet. My professor did a good job.
"Oil as a motivation to go into Iraq never made sense to me."
| 610 |
yochanan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:23:50pm |
re: #585 Charles
it is so bad unless your a KKK'ER or NAZI who else would like it?
frankly when i was a radical leftist sometimes we did do things like this to make the right look bad.
| 611 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:24:14pm |
From the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee:
Report: Is ACORN Intentionally Structured As a Criminal Enterprise?
WASHINGTON. D.C. – A report released today by Rep. Darrell Issa (CA), the Ranking Republican on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, presents evidence that ACORN has evaded taxes, obstructed justice, engaged in racketeering, and created a conspiracy to defraud the United States.
“This report is a comprehensive and substantive examination of an organization that has operated in secrecy and outside the law,” Issa, also a member of the House Judiciary Committee said. “There are number of legitimate questions raised about the political activities and organizational structure of ACORN. This report is about getting to the truth and when there are significant accusations and questions outstanding regarding an organization that has benefited from millions of taxpayer dollars, those questions should be answered and the truth should be brought to light.”
“The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has repeatedly and deliberately engaged in systemic fraud,” according to the report’s executive summary. “Both structurally and operationally, ACORN hides behind a paper wall of nonprofit corporate protections to conceal a criminal conspiracy on the part of its directors, to launder federal money in order to pursue a partisan political agenda and to manipulate the American electorate. Emerging accounts of widespread deceit and corruption raise the need for a criminal investigation of ACORN.”
The report includes significant new information about wrongdoing brought to the attention of committee investigators by ACORN whistleblowers.
| 612 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:24:32pm |
re: #606 jwing
I'm surprised that LGF posted this image -- it doesn't seem within the usual editorial care I've seen. It's a pretty low piece of junk.
Yes, I know it's not as bad as lots of stuff done against Bush, Cheney, Condi, etc. But that's not a reason to a) create such garbage, and b) give it wider audience by being up on LGF.
It is absolutely 100% as bad as anything a leftist ever posted. This is flat-out racism.
I'm sick of being associated with people who do this kind of crap, and if I have a chance to blow the whistle on them, I'm going to take it.
| 613 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:24:32pm |
re: #599 buzzsawmonkey
I'm sure that Orthodox rabbis would not be involved in organ trafficking. No Orthodox synagogue would have an organ.
Well, looks like somebody was sneaking a little Hammond rye.
| 614 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:24:42pm |
re: #590 Kenneth
Please provide a link to support your point please. This is what I found:
[snip]
Mandel has also asserted that the Charter makes Canada more like the United States, especially by serving corporate rights and individual rights rather than group rights and social rights
Does he consider that a good thing or a bad thing?
| 616 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:24:57pm |
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
~C.S. Lewis
Syrah- I'm thinking that's the constrained vision in a nutshell. Thoughts?
| 617 |
HelloDare Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:25:04pm |
Looks like the mayor of Cambridge is following our Presidents lead and making comments and coming to conclusions before she knows what she's talking about.
On Thursday morning, the mayor of Cambridge, E. Denise Simmons, said she had been in contact with Professor Gates, and had apologized to him on behalf of the city of Cambridge, but she said she had not yet spoken to Sergeant Crowley. The mayor said she was still gathering information about the arrest, and planned to have meetings with the police department.
| 618 |
IslandLibertarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:25:10pm |
| 619 |
aggieann Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:25:10pm |
re: #532 Creeping Eruption
Sorry. They are not "pets" you animalist. They are "companion animals."
. . . blood kittens.
| 620 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:25:14pm |
| 621 |
Racer X Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:25:27pm |
3 Trillion Dollar deficit. 13 Trillion dollar debt.
Hey look a racist picture!
Outrage!
| 623 |
J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:25:50pm |
re: #591 Sharmuta
Absoultely agree with you (re: European)...(sometimes one could imagine we're still a colony of the UK)..
| 624 |
Daria Emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:25:54pm |
re: #612 Charles
It is absolutely 100% as bad as anything a leftist ever posted. This is flat-out racism.
I'm sick of being associated with people who do this kind of crap, and if I have a chance to blow the whistle on them, I'm going to take it.
Who would possibly associate you with the doctor???
| 626 |
Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:26:22pm |
re: #622 buzzsawmonkey
My girlfriend obtained some "granny panties" some years ago from a now-defunct Big Store in her old neighborhood. She found them very comfortable, and regrets that they are now impossible to find.
I found them cute--the same way my students a couple of winters ago were intrigued, nay, captivated by the old-fashioned galoshes I was using to slog through the snow. The kids had never seen galoshes, and found them to be totally hip and happening.
Ok, but do you have Moon Boots?!
| 627 |
karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:26:32pm |
re: #554 doppelganglander
LOL! My son got a pair of those, which he really didn't need. It seems that the old BCGs, which were narrow black-rimmed glasses, are now kind of hip, so they've had to go to something Junior Soprano would wear.
I was in when the BCGs pictured came into the inventory - about 1989. Prior to that you had the black rimmed ones form the 60s that you are talking about.
I remember guys asking why they got rid of the old BCGs just when they were getting cool (Elvis Costello wore simillar glasses) only to replace them with glasses that will never be cool.
It is 20 years later and those glasses have never been cool. Never will be.
| 629 |
Balian1193 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:27:06pm |
I don't know. The image, in context, is not that bad and perhaps is not even racist. We are talking about the government overhauling health care here. Witch doctors have always been used to convey bad medicine. It is really perfect imaginary for ObamaCare.
T
he fact that MOST witch doctors are of African descent and Obama being half black is purely coincidental in this case. There are white witch doctors you know.
| 631 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:27:16pm |
re: #611 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
From the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee:
Report: Is ACORN Intentionally Structured As a Criminal Enterprise?
I've said before, RICO would be the perfect tool to bring those clowns down.
| 632 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:27:16pm |
re: #574 Sharmuta
How does that Lewis quote play against the Cambridge prof's arrest?
| 633 |
calcajun Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:27:32pm |
re: #616 Sharmuta
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
~C.S. Lewis
Syrah- I'm thinking that's the constrained vision in a nutshell. Thoughts?
Living under the rule of the happy sadists.
| 634 |
AuntAcid Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:27:36pm |
| 635 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:27:49pm |
re: #610 yochanan
it is so bad unless your a KKK'ER or NAZI who else would like it?
frankly when i was a radical leftist sometimes we did do things like this to make the right look bad.
It was posted by a conservative tea party activist, to a conservative mailing list. There's no doubt whatsoever about this. He's admitted it.
| 636 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:27:58pm |
re: #596 CyanSnowHawk
Not to mention that when you get into a girls pants when she is wearing mom jeans and granny panties, it is quite an accomplishment.
/What's that swooshing noise I hear behind me, and where did Mandy go?
Look, there are those days when a girl just wants to be comfortable instead of sexy. That's all I can say.
| 637 |
KenJen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:28:20pm |
| 638 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:28:22pm |
re: #587 buzzsawmonkey
Those are not the true "granny panties." The real thing has about a three-inch leg, with a one- to two-inch hem, rather than being cut with an arc over the top of the thigh.
The panties you depict in your link are a veritable thong compared to the real thing.
I believe you are referring to bloomers, not panties.
| 639 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:28:22pm |
re: #591 Sharmuta
The right to peaceable assembly is not a group right. Group rights refer to rights which are conferred upon a person by virtue of him or her being a member of a particular group. In the example of Canada, the Meech Lake Accord sought to introduce special rights for Quebec on the basis that the French constituted a "unique society". That was the considered the price for getting Quebec to agree to the Constitution. The Accord died and was never adopted. All Canadian individuals have the same rights.
| 640 |
Silvergirl Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:28:28pm |
Was the National Review cover of Sotomayor as Wise Latina ever discussed here at LGF?
Now that one didn't rile me because I thought it was a cartoonist's take on the wise part of wise Latina, not the Latina part. Of course it was still satire, but she was depicted in a classic pose of enlightenment, all Buddha-like. This is not a usual take on Hispanics, so I wasn't behind the cry of racist on that one.
| 641 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:28:29pm |
re: #612 Charles
It is absolutely 100% as bad as anything a leftist ever posted. This is flat-out racism.
I'm sick of being associated with people who do this kind of crap, and if I have a chance to blow the whistle on them, I'm going to take it.
Thank you, Charles. Someone needs to do it and I'm glad it's you.
| 642 |
Huan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:28:31pm |
the pics looks like a body of witch doctor from latin america rather than africa btw
| 643 |
Daria Emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:28:36pm |
re: #629 Balian1193
I don't know. The image, in context, is not that bad and perhaps is not even racist. We are talking about the government overhauling health care here. Witch doctors have always been used to convey bad medicine. It is really perfect imaginary for ObamaCare.
T
he fact that MOST witch doctors are of African descent and Obama being half black is purely coincidental in this case. There are white witch doctors you know.
How does the image do anything other than incite? How does it inform in any way? (even assuming it is not racist)
| 644 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:28:37pm |
That picture is racist. Later lizards, time to go walk the black lab along the American.
| 645 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:28:38pm |
re: #627 karmic_inquisitor
I was in when the BCGs pictured came into the inventory - about 1989. Prior to that you had the black rimmed ones form the 60s that you are talking about.
I remember guys asking why they got rid of the old BCGs just when they were getting cool (Elvis Costello wore simillar glasses) only to replace them with glasses that will never be cool.
It is 20 years later and those glasses have never been cool. Never will be.
I know exactly what you mean. My husband served 1985-1990.
| 646 |
victor_yugo Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:28:41pm |
re: #631 doppelganglander
I've said before, RICO would be the perfect tool to bring those clowns down.
It'll never happen. Too many in the Legislative and Executive branches would have to answer for how they got into office.
| 647 |
yochanan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:28:47pm |
one of the stunts we did was pass out a flyer with a photo of a cute puppy saying we were going to napam a dog to protest the viet nam war. we almost got lynched by the animal rights crowd of course we had no intetion of creating a hot dog but ...
stupid things have been done by stupid people before.
| 649 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:28:59pm |
re: #598 SixDegrees
Substantial losses, but what were expectations? It isn't the loss, it's the distance by which it misses the target that drives price changes.
/they're both getting hammered after hours
| 650 |
turn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:29:04pm |
re: #644 turn
That picture is racist. Later lizards, time to go walk the
blacklab along the American.
FTFW you racist!
/
| 651 |
vxbush Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:29:30pm |
re: #636 Bobblehead
Look, there are those days when a girl just wants to be comfortable instead of sexy. That's all I can say.
And some of us have never had fantastic bods; we were not blessed by the gene pool.
| 653 |
Balian1193 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:30:41pm |
re: #643 Daria Emmons
Imaginary is the best way to get the message across. ObamaCare IS BAD MEDICINE.
| 654 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:31:15pm |
re: #640 Silvergirl
Was the National Review cover of Sotomayor as Wise Latina ever discussed here at LGF?
Now that one didn't rile me because I thought it was a cartoonist's take on the wise part of wise Latina, not the Latina part. Of course it was still satire, but she was depicted in a classic pose of enlightenment, all Buddha-like. This is not a usual take on Hispanics, so I wasn't behind the cry of racist on that one.
I have no idea why that one was considered racist. Unless the new paradigm is that any caricature of a non-white individual is racist.
| 655 |
debutaunt Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:31:25pm |
re: #483 Sharmuta
What concerns me is with the rise of collectivist politics, some folks resort to identity politics instead of valuing the worth of the individual, but really identity politics is just a different form of collectivist politics. Be weary of those who don't argue from the foundation of individual rights. They're not allies.
Exactly!
| 656 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:31:38pm |
re: #613 Alouette
Well, looks like somebody was sneaking a little Hammond rye.
And now they're in quite the pickle.
| 657 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:31:40pm |
re: #587 buzzsawmonkey
Those are not the true "granny panties." The real thing has about a three-inch leg, with a one- to two-inch hem, rather than being cut with an arc over the top of the thigh.
The panties you depict in your link are a veritable thong compared to the real thing.
What are you, the panty police?
:D
| 659 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:31:57pm |
re: #642 Huan
the pics looks like a body of witch doctor from latin america rather than africa btw
Well then, that makes it all better. ///
| 660 |
Russkilitlover Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:32:11pm |
re: #117 Sharmuta
As I said last night- the answer is beyond the means of one person. Don't look at me for an answer to the kook problem on the right because I can't do it alone. Everyone needs to ask themselves what they can do about the kooks in the GOP and figure out for themselves how they can contribute to fixing this.
This is a story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody and Nobody. There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it. Somebody got upset about that, because it was Everybody’s job. Everybody thought Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn’t do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have.
~ Old business adage.
| 661 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:32:30pm |
re: #636 Bobblehead
Look, there are those days when a girl just wants to be comfortable instead of sexy. That's all I can say.
And yet sometimes, the comfortable can be sexy.
| 662 |
Syrah Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:32:33pm |
re: #616 Sharmuta
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
~C.S. Lewis
Syrah- I'm thinking that's the constrained vision in a nutshell. Thoughts?
At first brush, yes.
It would be interesting to test.
Where I would think that the constrained would agree with it strongly, I could see the unconstrained agreeing with it somewhat.
I could see them projecting their idea of their enemies onto the "busybodies" and "moralist," ie, the traditionalist and the religious.
| 663 |
shug Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:32:38pm |
attn cartroonists: Next time Give Obama a Hitler moustache and a stormtrooper uniform.
the left will cheer
| 664 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:32:41pm |
re: #646 victor_yugo
It'll never happen. Too many in the Legislative and Executive branches would have to answer for how they got into office.
I think it could be done. Most U.S. Attorneys strike me as very dedicated, decent, non-partisan public servants.
| 665 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:32:41pm |
re: #631 doppelganglander
I've said before, RICO would be the perfect tool to bring those clowns down.
Page 82 of the report gives the RICO analysis of the findings
| 666 |
J.S. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:33:05pm |
re: #639 Kenneth
Under the section: "Meaning and Purpose of Equality" -- "To that end, the Charter recognizes four dimensions of equality, including substantive equality."
What is substantive equlity? "Unlike formal equality, which overlooks personal differences, substantive equality is concerned with the impact of the law on different groups of individuals."
| 667 |
yochanan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:33:13pm |
the most racist place in america is inside a jail and I am not talking about the jail guards either.
the p.c. thing that only whites can be racist is RACIST.
| 668 |
Daria Emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:33:24pm |
re: #653 Balian1193
Imaginary is the best way to get the message across. ObamaCare IS BAD MEDICINE.
Obamacare is neither good nor bad medicine. It is a way of paying for healthcare. You could argue that it will result in a various array of horribles, but it is not in and of itself, a form of medical treatment.
The analogy is inapt, and inflammatory more than anything.
But as I said before, I don't see how anyone would associate this with Charles, whether he wrote this post or not.
| 669 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:33:26pm |
re: #658 buzzsawmonkey
What I am referring to used to be known as a "band leg panty."
Did you spend a lot of time with the Sears catalog as a young monkey?
| 670 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:33:27pm |
| 672 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:34:20pm |
re: #665 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Page 82 of the report gives the RICO analysis of the findings
Thanks, I'll take a look.
| 674 |
Daria Emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:34:29pm |
re: #667 yochanan
the most racist place in america is inside a jail and I am not talking about the jail guards either.
the p.c. thing that only whites can be racist is RACIST.
Who said only whites can be racist?
| 675 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:34:53pm |
All this talk about underwear reminds me of a Black Adder episode in which Edmund is hiding in a convent dressed as a nun. When he's discovered, the tells the Mother Superior it was because he wanted to dress like a nun. She replies with "Oh yes, the Hessian undergarments"
| 676 |
calcajun Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:35:07pm |
re: #635 Charles
I wonder if his chums at the country club thought it a real knee-slapper?
On the other hand, though, I thought of the ethnicity of Dr. McKalip. Not that it would condone such an act in any way, but would not be surprising if he were African-American himself. Nope--he's a Caucasian.
| 677 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:35:13pm |
re: #669 doppelganglander
Did you spend a lot of time with the Sears catalog as a young monkey?
LMAO!
| 678 |
Aye Pod Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:35:14pm |
re: #486 centaur
Gotta agree with Iron Fist here, and disagree with Charles. Never been to a tea party myself, so that's not my angle, but my first thought at looking at this crude photoshop is: "Witchdoctor. Yes, that fits."
No, "witchdoctor" does not fit as satire at all. The cultural reference is not and has never had any relevance whatsoever to concept of how heath funding should be organised. "Witchdoctor" in the popular imagination refers to wacky cures, woo-woo beliefs, primitive treatments invoking magic. Nothing to do with 'Obamacare'.
So even if we were to overlook the obvious racism of someone knowingly employing this imagery in the full knowledge of it's racial offensiveness in this context(which we shouldn't), this excuse just doesn't begin to get off the ground. Those trying this here are shaming themselves.
| 679 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:35:38pm |
re: #658 buzzsawmonkey
What I am referring to used to be known as a "band leg panty."
There's a joke about being thrown onstage there somewhere, but I can't quite work it out.
I just grabbed the first result from a Google Image search that I liked.
| 680 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:35:45pm |
One of the guys I work with said his grand daughter thought granny panties were thongs. Speaks volumes about his ex-wife.
| 681 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:36:01pm |
re: #662 Syrah
At first brush, yes.
It would be interesting to test.
Where I would think that the constrained would agree with it strongly, I could see the unconstrained agreeing with it somewhat.
I could see them projecting their idea of their enemies onto the "busybodies" and "moralist," ie, the traditionalist and the religious.
But they would only be correct if the streak of authoritarianism was there. I think it's not restricting the authoritarianism that separates the constrained vision from the other three non-constrained visions. Fundamental religionists are of the unconstrained vision.
| 682 |
yochanan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:36:07pm |
re: #674 Daria Emmons
LEFTIST AND BLACK ACTIVISTS SAY IT ALL THE TIME.
something about only those with power can be racist or other clap trap.
| 683 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:36:07pm |
re: #649 Killian Bundy
/they're both getting hammered after hours
I'm assuming they missed expectations, then.
| 684 |
Patriot Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:36:08pm |
THOUGHT EXPERIMENT:
1. Will there ever come a day when this picture is okay?
2. Why/why not?
| 685 |
nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:36:23pm |
re: #674 Daria Emmons
Who said only whites can be racist?
Liberal academics.
Racism comes from power differential, and only the in-power group can exercise the power that makes racism possible.
| 686 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:37:02pm |
re: #684 Patriot
THOUGHT EXPERIMENT:
1. Will there ever come a day when this picture is okay?
2. Why/why not?
What the hell are you talking about?
| 687 |
IslandLibertarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:37:21pm |
Had someone photoshoped "0"s (pronounced zero) face on this griffter and labeled it "0"s health care plan, would that be racist?
/or on a Chicago thug...?...
| 688 |
Ringo the Gringo Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:37:31pm |
re: #642 Huanthe pics looks like a body of witch doctor from latin america rather than africa btw
The picture is from Papua New Guinea.
But it really makes no difference, putting a bone through the nose of our black President and superimposing his face onto a "witch doctor" is racist. Period.
| 689 |
calcajun Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:37:55pm |
re: #675 Kosh's Shadow
All this talk about underwear reminds me of a Black Adder episode in which Edmund is hiding in a convent dressed as a nun. When he's discovered, the tells the Mother Superior it was because he wanted to dress like a nun. She replies with "Oh yes, the Hessian undergarments"
I loved that series--all of 'em.
| 690 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:37:56pm |
re: #658 buzzsawmonkey
What I am referring to used to be known as a "band leg panty."
What you're talking about is what my grandma used to wear.
and she wore them until they were plum worn out. One pair lost its elastic one day in the grocery store and just fell to the floor while she was in the grits aisle.
| 692 |
warlock Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:38:00pm |
I don't see how the pic is racist.
The thing that amazes me is how the term racist is now used apparently more than the word "the."
| 693 |
Daria Emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:38:05pm |
re: #682 yochanan
LEFTIST AND BLACK ACTIVISTS SAY IT ALL THE TIME.
something about only those with power can be racist or other clap trap.
I meant, who on LGF said only whites could be racist?
I am aware that Leftists and Black activists say that.
| 694 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:38:18pm |
re: #571 Gus 802
What?! They arrested the entire legislature?
| 695 |
yochanan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:38:30pm |
re: #687 IslandLibertarian
NO WHAT IS WRONG WITH CALLING IT A FRAUD OR GAMBLE?
| 699 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:39:48pm |
re: #683 SixDegrees
I'm assuming they missed expectations, then.
Yep.
/tomorrow should be interesting, first "big name" misses of earnings season versus tomorrow is historically a really bullish day (first Friday after July expirations)
| 700 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:39:56pm |
re: #697 buzzsawmonkey
There are a number of jokes in '30s-era movies which revolve around women's nether garments suddenly dropping to their ankles in stores and similar public places.
That's exactly what happened.
| 701 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:40:31pm |
re: #690 reine.de.tout
What you're talking about is what my grandma used to wear.
and she wore them until they were plum worn out. One pair lost its elastic one day in the grocery store and just fell to the floor while she was in the grits aisle.
The same thing happened to me with a half slip at a wedding reception. I got to thinking later, and I'd probably had that slip for twenty years!
I very casually side stepped out of it, quickly knelt down and scooped it up and crammed it in my purse. I really don't think anyone noticed.
| 702 |
Silvergirl Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:40:36pm |
re: #327 ExCamelJockey
I place this photochop in the same category as political jabs of McCain and "Depends" (which I thought were funny). It's a humorous association between witch doctors and government run health care. Is this tacky? Sure, just like the McCain jokes were. Where does the racism come in?
I despised any ads of McCain that had to do with his age. Ageism was allowed to run rampant in the last election, whether oblique references in the MSM or by the Obama campaign or flat out derision in the blogs as a doddering old man with dementia.
Racism, homophobia, sexism . . . they don't do anyone proud, but ageism is humor?
| 703 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:40:45pm |
It's coming up on about two years since the vlaams belang controversy first erupted, and since then I've come to see that rift in the right-wing blogosphere as a microcosm of the American right in general. And personally, I don't think it's a coincidence.
| 704 |
calcajun Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:41:18pm |
re: #684 Patriot
1. No
2. Because bad taste, like the speed of light, is a universal constant.
| 705 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:41:35pm |
re: #701 redstateredneck
The same thing happened to me with a half slip at a wedding reception. I got to thinking later, and I'd probably had that slip for twenty years!
I very casually side stepped out of it, quickly knelt down and scooped it up and crammed it in my purse. I really don't think anyone noticed.Yes, dear,keep telling yourself that.
| 706 |
capitalist piglet Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:41:41pm |
Oh, boy...this is going to be interesting:
Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class about racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.
(AllahPundit has this up.)
| 707 |
Gus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:41:42pm |
re: #694 Dianna
What?! They arrested the entire legislature?
We could only be so lucky. There's more coverage at NJ dot com and the Asbury Park Press.
| 708 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:41:45pm |
re: #690 reine.de.tout
What you're talking about is what my grandma used to wear.
and she wore them until they were plum worn out. One pair lost its elastic one day in the grocery store and just fell to the floor while she was in the grits aisle.
Catastrophic Cooch Covering Collapse Chagrins Comestible Consumer!
| 709 |
jorline Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:41:59pm |
Aye Capt'n...we've taken one right up our asStern.
Obama 'OK' With Health Care Reform Delay, Pushes for Deal by Fall
President Obama on Thursday brushed off the news that Congress was putting the brakes on his health care reform push, saying it's "OK" if lawmakers need additional time to work out complex details of the package.
My ass he's OK with it.
| 710 |
SpaceJesus Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:42:10pm |
jeez. so much anger at a little joke. can we get back to our mutual hatred of racist sympathizers now
| 711 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:42:21pm |
re: #701 redstateredneck
The same thing happened to me with a half slip at a wedding reception. I got to thinking later, and I'd probably had that slip for twenty years!
I very casually side stepped out of it, quickly knelt down and scooped it up and crammed it in my purse. I really don't think anyone noticed.
Don't you know girl, I hate when that happens.
| 712 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:42:23pm |
re: #697 buzzsawmonkey
There are a number of jokes in '30s-era movies which revolve around women's nether garments suddenly dropping to their ankles in stores and similar public places.
Having suffered the experience on Pine Street, I'm here to tell you it's really, really a dilemma.
| 713 |
Daria Emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:42:27pm |
re: #703 Sharmuta
It's coming up on about two years since the vlaams belang controversy first erupted, and since then I've come to see that rift in the right-wing blogosphere as a microcosm of the American right in general. And personally, I don't think it's a coincidence.
What do you mean? You think VB has something to do with it all?
I agree generally about the rift, but disagree that VB is at the heart of it - should that be what you were referring to.
| 714 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:42:27pm |
I think the fact that this thread has slowly but surely turned from the discussion of racist imagery to granny pants says something. I just can't figure out what that something is.
| 715 |
KansasMom Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:42:31pm |
re: #684 Patriot
THOUGHT EXPERIMENT:
1. Will there ever come a day when this picture is okay?
2. Why/why not?
NO
| 716 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:42:42pm |
re: #709 jorline
Aye Capt'n...we've taken one right up our asStern.
Obama 'OK' With Health Care Reform Delay, Pushes for Deal by Fall
My ass he's OK with it.
Change!
His idea reached its expiration date.
| 717 |
IslandLibertarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:42:42pm |
| 718 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:42:56pm |
re: #696 Charles
Wow.
This is not LGF's finest hour.
I think it's pretty clear why conservatives/The Tea Party crowd/GOP has a problem. Some people are defending the cartoon, others don't understand that it's racist. Some people obfuscate. There just aren't enough people willing to knowledge the problem.
| 719 |
snowcrash Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:43:10pm |
re: #472 karmic_inquisitor
Ok - for those too dense to see it.
The idea being portrayed here is that Obama is a primative.
Primative medicine.
From a primative culture.
And in case you missed the last 200 years of human history, the whole idea of seeing "primatives" as inferior to Europeans powered a lot of institutions, including -
1) slavery
2) colonialization
3) the Nazisamong others.
In the last 30 years, most of the world sees such ideas as offensive. Yet there are people who are members of these races who will scream that those who are not of their race still think that way.
That thinking drives several modern instituions -
1) Universities
2) The Democratic party (and its capacity to raise money)
3) The self-iscrediting-yet-large leftist blogosphere.Those who think this is an innocent picture really don't undertsand how they appear to be resurecting the first set of institutions which simply hands more power to the second set of institutions.
Oh - and it is offensive.
Just wanted to repost this wonderful comment from Karmic.
| 721 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:43:26pm |
I'm so sick and annoyed of this race discussion, and morons EVERYWHERE keep perpetuating it with absolute nonsense.
Jeez, it's ENOUGH already.
| 722 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:43:31pm |
Hey I've been driving home, can't blame this on me
| 723 |
IslandLibertarian Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:44:02pm |
re: #718 Killgore Trout
I think it's pretty clear why conservatives/The Tea Party crowd/GOP has a problem. Some people are defending the cartoon, others don't understand that it's racist. Some people obfuscate. There just aren't enough people willing to knowledge the problem.
or acknowledge it either...
| 725 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:44:12pm |
re: #707 Gus 802
We could only be so lucky. There's more coverage at NJ dot com and the Asbury Park Press.
I was only hoping that they would arrest some officials in the NJ town I work in.
| 726 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:44:13pm |
re: #710 SpaceJesus
You wonder why a lot of us don't like you?
| 727 |
AuntAcid Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:44:36pm |
"People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have tremendous impact on history."
-- Vice President Al Gore
| 728 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:45:07pm |
Without reading all 700 comments,
a. Reine, that is a great story (about your grandmother). I hope she got her mileage out of re-telling it.
b. This is stupidity. If you wished to satire Obamacare, there are dozens of other non-racially charged ways to do it. Off the top of my head I can think of at least two race-neutral ways that would be more effective.
c. We need to at least have some sensitivity to the slurs of the past. The re-set button cannot be pushed, and some wounds are still open. I'm not saying the race card should trump all, I'm saying look at the past, and see where we just can't go until those incidents are a very, very distant memory to mankind.
| 729 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:45:14pm |
Gov. Patrick: Arrest 'every black man’s nightmare'
Governor Deval Patrick this afternoon empathized with Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., recalling his own experiences with racial profiling and "feeling powerless" when he was a black teenager at Milton Academy.
“In some ways this is every black man’s nightmare and a reality for many black men," Patrick told a crush of reporters at an impromptu press conference in a hallway at the State House. "And as you understand the sequence of events -- if I understand the sequence of events because, remember I wasn’t there and the only understanding I have is from what I’ve read -- I guess I would say you ought to be able to raise your voice in your own house without risk of arrest.”
Utter and complete bullshit. If a cop shows up at my house for any reason and I start giving him shit, odds are I'm going to end up in cuffs. That doesn't matter if you white, black, asian or hispanic.
| 730 |
calcajun Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:45:25pm |
re: #696 Charles
Well, some of us are trying. There will be those who will not get it, though.
Growing up in NOLA with folks who were "old south", it was not easy. It took a conscious effort to not give a damn about a person's ethnicity or gender and to realize if they were ignorant or plain stupid, it was more a product of their environment and in some cases genetics (I know of a few first cousin marriages) not their skin hue or genitalia. It takes a lot of time for people to "get it".
| 731 |
Syrah Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:45:30pm |
re: #681 Sharmuta
But they would only be correct if the streak of authoritarianism was there. I think it's not restricting the authoritarianism that separates the constrained vision from the other three non-constrained visions. Fundamental religionists are of the unconstrained vision.
The constrained and the unconstrained are divided by a common language. We may use the same words and the same phrases but have different and possibly mutually exclusive meanings in mind.
I am thinking back to how often the pudding-heads on the left would describe Bush as a dictator or worse, even as a Hitler. They would claim that he fit the definition of a tyrant and find our reluctance to agree with them on that a proof of our gullibility or culpability.
Much of our understanding of the world is based on subjective measures.
While the CS Lewis quote rings strongly true to the constrained, I could see the unconstrained agreeing with it somewhat by placing a different meanings to busybody and moralist then what we would in that case.
| 732 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:45:35pm |
re: #718 Killgore Trout
I think it's pretty clear why conservatives/The Tea Party crowd/GOP has a problem. Some people are defending the cartoon, others don't understand that it's racist. Some people obfuscate. There just aren't enough people willing to knowledge the problem.
All inclusive statement again. So, no one here this afternoon "knowledge" the problem?
| 733 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:45:48pm |
re: #701 redstateredneck
The same thing happened to me with a half slip at a wedding reception. I got to thinking later, and I'd probably had that slip for twenty years!
I very casually side stepped out of it, quickly knelt down and scooped it up and crammed it in my purse. I really don't think anyone noticed.
Oh, you're smooth.
| 734 |
shug Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:45:54pm |
re: #718 Killgore Trout
I think it's pretty clear why progressives /The Daily Kos crowd/Democrat party has a problem. Some people are defending the cartoon, others don't understand that it's racist. Some people obfuscate. There just aren't enough people willing to knowledge the problem.
same crap when Condie Rice and Michael Steele were given similar treatment.
Racism is everywhere.
Conservatives here exposed that bullshit when it was directed at Rice and Steele.
and we are exposing it against Obama.
Racism is not a republican only problem.
| 735 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:45:55pm |
Later, lizards.
And, for the record, I think the picture is racist and in very bad taste. Other than that, there's not a whole lot to say about it.
| 736 |
Daria Emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:46:06pm |
re: #720 Sharmuta
I mean fascists.
I disagree it's necessarily fascistic in nature.
I think some people are more knee-jerk reactionary, and have gone hysterical on us all.
Hysteria at this time and hour is the worst reaction to have.
| 737 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:46:29pm |
re: #718 Killgore Trout
Why do you say that? I grant that I've only skimmed the last 300 comments, and I know Charles had to delete a number - including those that quoted something deleted - but I don't see much of this vaunted obfuscation.
| 738 |
clgood Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:46:29pm |
That's funny. I don't associate witch doctors with any particular race, but with woo. This poster would have made some sense if Obama were advocating Accupuncture or Chiropractic or Homeopathy. Those are the same as witch doctors. So, while I'm not convinced it's so racist, it seems off the mark. He should have stuck with the hammer and sickle part. That's on the money.
| 739 |
shortshrift Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:46:38pm |
A series of pictures to explain our cultural compass:
Thabo Mbeki as an African witchdoctor would not be racist.
Thabo Mbeki as a Papua New Guinean witchdoctor would not be racist, but may offend Papuans.
Gordon Brown as a witchdoctor would be funny.
A white doctor holding a witchdoctor's joo-joo stick would be a satire on medicine.
A black witchdoctor holding a stethoscope would be still be a witchdoctor.
Obama wearing traditional robes of his father's people is racist if published during the campaign.
President Obama wearing a skull cap for a White House Seder shows his multicultural tolerance.
A Papua New Guinea witchdoctor is an example of diversity.
| 740 |
callahan23 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:46:42pm |
re: #719 snowcrash
Just wanted to repost this wonderful comment from Karmic.
Thanks slipped by me the first time.
| 741 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:46:45pm |
re: #701 redstateredneck
The same thing happened to me with a half slip at a wedding reception. I got to thinking later, and I'd probably had that slip for twenty years!
I very casually side stepped out of it, quickly knelt down and scooped it up and crammed it in my purse. I really don't think anyone noticed.
Geez. All these women going commando, and I've never even suspected.
| 742 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:47:05pm |
re: #684 Patriot
THOUGHT EXPERIMENT:
1. Will there ever come a day when this picture is okay?
2. Why/why not?
1. No.
2. Because it's freaking lame, in addition to being racist.
| 743 |
calcajun Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:47:10pm |
re: #727 AuntAcid
"People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have tremendous impact on history."
-- Vice President Al Gore
I'd still like to put Al Gore in a sensitive position-- a very sensitive one.
| 744 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:47:29pm |
re: #723 IslandLibertarian
OK, the "what?!" button that does not exist has been invoked.
| 746 |
TheMatrix31 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:47:47pm |
re: #729 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Gov. Patrick: Arrest 'every black man’s nightmare'
Utter and complete bullshit. If a cop shows up at my house for any reason and I start giving him shit, odds are I'm going to end up in cuffs. That doesn't matter if you white, black, asian or hispanic.
I can't be more fucking annoyed at that ridiculous nonsense being put forth by that idiot Patrick.
| 747 |
jorline Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:47:58pm |
OK...where's 3 wood?
White Sox's Buehrle tosses 18th perfect game in history vs. Rays
To the delight of 28,036 fans at U.S. Cellular Field and one very famous fan in the White House, Chicago White Sox pitcher Mark Buehrle became just the 18th pitcher in baseball history to throw a perfect game on Thursday when he blanked the defending American League champion Tampa Bay Rays 5-0 in Chicago.
Buehrle's postgame press conference was interrupted because a call was coming in from the White House. President Barack Obama, an avowed White Sox fan, found out about Buehrle's gem in Cleveland while heading to Air Force One for a flight to his hometown of Chicago.Obama called Buehrle to congratulate him. The President told the pitcher it was "an extraordinary achievement," according to White House press secretary Robert Gibbs.
By tonight 200,000 people will have claimed to have seen it first hand.
Congrats Mark Buehrle!
| 748 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:48:42pm |
re: #718 Killgore Trout
I think it's pretty clear why conservatives/The Tea Party crowd/GOP has a problem. Some people are defending the cartoon, others don't understand that it's racist. Some people obfuscate. There just aren't enough people willing to knowledge the problem.
I agree Killgore.
People don't want to acknowledge the problem, or some may even secretly agree or find this sort of thing amusing, when it most definetely is NOT.
It's a head in the sand philosophy - I don't want to know or hear anything negative about those who profess to hold similar values and ideals as I do.
We NEED to know these things, so that we know who is fit to hold office when the next election comes around, and who should be avoided at all costs. When we don't want to have that information, we get . . . this sort of disgusting imagery or jokes making the rounds and as you said, BEING POSTED at websites like the "tea party" websites.
I want nothing to do with any of this.
| 749 |
shug Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:48:52pm |
re: #747 jorline
OK...where's 3 wood?
White Sox's Buehrle tosses 18th perfect game in history vs. Rays
By tonight 200,000 people will have claimed to have seen it first hand.Congrats Mark Buehrle!
I was at Cominskey Field, how about you ?
| 750 |
Racer X Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:48:59pm |
re: #710 SpaceJesus
jeez. so much anger at a little joke. can we get back to our mutual hatred of racist sympathizers now
Its all about you. All the time. You know that.
| 751 |
calcajun Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:49:00pm |
re: #738 clgood
In the words of Dr. Evil, "You just don't get, do ya?"
| 753 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:49:12pm |
re: #701 redstateredneck
The same thing happened to me with a half slip at a wedding reception. I got to thinking later, and I'd probably had that slip for twenty years!
I very casually side stepped out of it, quickly knelt down and scooped it up and crammed it in my purse. I really don't think anyone noticed.
Lately I have taken to wearing Target knee-length PJ pants as "slips." Mucho comfy. I will never wear another slip again.
| 754 |
experiencedtraveller Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:49:30pm |
re: #725 Nevergiveup
I was only hoping that they would arrest some officials in the NJ town I work in.
I was hoping they would arrest ALL New Jersey officials. ;)
| 755 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:49:36pm |
re: #731 Syrah
It's true the unconstrained demonize their opponents in ways the constrained never do. We certainly see this play out enough.
But my point in using the Lewis quote was more to illustrate how just the constrained vision would view the other visions- socialism, communism, fascism and theocracy.
| 756 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:49:45pm |
re: #749 shug
I was at Cominskey Field, how about you ?
I saw it on ESPN, I think I did but I am not sure
| 757 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:50:02pm |
re: #733 MandyManners
Oh, you're smooth.
I just stepped out and kept walking.
Now I understand when I see a pair of panties on the sidewalk.
| 758 |
opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:50:10pm |
OK sports fans, White Sox picther Mark Buerle threw only the b18th perfect game in baseball history today at US Cellular Field.
He faced the minimum 27 batters & beat Tampa 5 to 0.
Center Fielder Dwayne Wise showed some heroics in the 9th in center, leaping above the fence & pulling what would have been a home run back
| 759 |
snowcrash Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:50:13pm |
re: #740 callahan23
Hey Cal! Bad crazy stuff here today. Racism alive and kickin on a couple of threads.
| 760 |
Silvergirl Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:50:33pm |
re: #719 snowcrash
The idea being portrayed here is that Obama is a primative.
Primative medicine.
From a primative culture.
And in case you missed the last 200 years of human history, the whole idea of seeing "primatives" as inferior to Europeans powered a lot of institutions, including -
PIMF
primitive
| 761 |
Syrah Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:51:03pm |
re: #755 Sharmuta
It's true the unconstrained demonize their opponents in ways the constrained never do. We certainly see this play out enough.
But my point in using the Lewis quote was more to illustrate how just the constrained vision would view the other visions- socialism, communism, fascism and theocracy.
That I would agree with completely.
| 762 |
Nevergiveup Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:51:03pm |
re: #754 experiencedtraveller
I was hoping they would arrest ALL New Jersey officials. ;)
I'll go along with that
| 763 |
gregb Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:51:03pm |
re: #23 capitalist piglet
Okay, but a question. Suppose we really have a post-racial, colorblind society. Wouldn't someone like that also see the picture as making fun of his healthcare policies and not of the racist implications of using a Witch Doctor?
Greg
| 764 |
Silvergirl Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:51:06pm |
re: #741 SixDegrees
Geez. All these women going commando, and I've never even suspected.
Not wearing a slip is hardly commando.
| 765 |
DEZes Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:51:12pm |
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue.
| 766 |
Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:51:18pm |
re: #754 experiencedtraveller
I was hoping they would arrest ALL New Jersey officials. ;)
Give them time.
| 767 |
AuntAcid Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:51:25pm |
re: #743 calcajun
I'd still like to put Al Gore in a sensitive position-- a very sensitive one.
Downward dog?
| 768 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:51:48pm |
re: #757 Dianna
I just stepped out and kept walking.
Now I understand when I see a pair of panties on the sidewalk.
Oh, my grandmother picked 'em up, stuck 'em in her "pocketbook".
| 769 |
JacksonTn Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:51:55pm |
re: #748 reine.de.tout
I agree Killgore.
People don't want to acknowledge the problem, or some may even secretly agree or find this sort of thing amusing, when it most definetely is NOT.It's a head in the sand philosophy - I don't want to know or hear anything negative about those who profess to hold similar values and ideals as I do.
We NEED to know these things, so that we know who is fit to hold office when the next election comes around, and who should be avoided at all costs. When we don't want to have that information, we get . . . this sort of disgusting imagery or jokes making the rounds and as you said, BEING POSTED at websites like the "tea party" websites.
I want nothing to do with any of this.
Reine ... it is horrible when people make photos like the one posted ... but at least they are out in the open and you can see them for what they are ... the ones you really need to worry about are the people who feel this way or worse and you will never know it ... maybe until it is too late ... sad but I believe true ...
| 770 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:51:58pm |
| 772 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:52:08pm |
With all the deletions going on let me talk about something neutral...how's the weather?
| 773 |
debutaunt Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:52:30pm |
re: #583 yochanan
frankly this looks like something the left would do to discredit the right.
A set-up? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA
| 774 |
callahan23 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:52:38pm |
re: #759 snowcrash
Hey Cal! Bad crazy stuff here today. Racism alive and kickin on a couple of threads.
Some portions of this thread were so thick with emotions it was hard to wade through.
Kudos to the brave who stood their ground.
| 775 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:52:51pm |
I'm finished putting up with sniping comments.
| 776 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:53:26pm |
re: #772 LGoPs
With all the deletions
going on let me talk about something neutral...how's the weather?[Deleted]
What?
| 777 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:53:28pm |
re: #769 JacksonTn
Reine ... it is horrible when people make photos like the one posted ... but at least they are out in the open and you can see them for what they are ... the ones you really need to worry about are the people who feel this way or worse and you will never know it ... maybe until it is too late ... sad but I believe true ...
Jax'n - good point, very good point.
| 778 |
Russkilitlover Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:53:33pm |
re: #772 LGoPs
With all the deletions going on let me talk about something neutral...how's the weather?
Too friggin' hot and muggy! I want my dry heat back! Thanks for reminding me of my misery you @#*%&!
//
| 781 |
theheat Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:54:15pm |
re: #635 Charles
And makes you wonder, out of how many people that received yet another FW FW conservative email, how many replied back with, "Don't send me this racist shit, you bunch of assholes."
More crickets than not, I'm betting.
Probably the reason I don't receive as many of these tasteless things as I used to from my "friends" is because that's how I chose to reply to them. Honestly, they were probably more offended by my foul language than the actual material they were circulating. Is that effed up, or what?
If I wanted to participate in that kind of crapsharing, I'd hang out at freakin' Stormfront.
| 782 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:54:28pm |
| 783 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:54:33pm |
re: #772 LGoPs
With all the deletions going on let me talk about something neutral...how's the weather?
Oh sure, bring up global warming and climate change on a thread like this, you fool!
//
| 784 |
callahan23 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:54:34pm |
re: #765 DEZes
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue.
Hey where have you been? You've been missed.
How are you buddy?
| 785 |
Digital Display Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:54:47pm |
re: #772 LGoPs
With all the deletions going on let me talk about something neutral...how's the weather?
It is raining like crazy and I heard this morning on the news that this will be the coolest July in all of Indiana recorded History..1871...
Anybody got Al Gores Cell number? We need some warmth here..
| 787 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:54:53pm |
re: #753 Alouette
Lately I have taken to wearing Target knee-length PJ pants as "slips." Mucho comfy. I will never wear another slip again.
You almost can't even buy a half slip anymore. My daughter wanted one to wear with her white skirts and she had a heck of a time finding one. I usually just go for things that have a built-in lining.
| 788 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:55:18pm |
re: #783 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Oh sure, bring up global warming and climate change on a thread like this, you fool!
//
LOL! I was waiting for somebody to bring that up...
| 789 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:55:22pm |
Now, *these* are wardrobe malfunctions, Janet.
| 790 |
snowcrash Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:55:23pm |
re: #765 DEZes
Is that where you've been? On a glue sniffing binge? Missed you anyway.
LOL
| 791 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:55:42pm |
re: #736 Daria Emmons
I disagree it's necessarily fascistic in nature.
I think some people are more knee-jerk reactionary, and have gone hysterical on us all.
Hysteria at this time and hour is the worst reaction to have.
The slightest bit of inquisitiveness on the part of anyone interested about the euro-fascists and their American connections reveals quite an impressive network of people all too willing to help enable these odious hacks from europe. And not just "counter-jihadis".
| 792 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:55:53pm |
re: #786 Danny
Wow, ugly thread.
I would just like to say that my deleted comment was about baseball.
| 794 |
Silvergirl Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:56:29pm |
re: #772 LGoPs
With all the deletions going on let me talk about something neutral...how's the weather?
Don't anyone post a picture of a rain dancer!
| 796 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:57:14pm |
re: #792 CyanSnowHawk
I would just like to say that my deleted comment was about baseball.
A likely story
| 797 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:57:47pm |
re: #780 buzzsawmonkey
How beautifully blue the sky
The glass is rising very high
But people say--I know not why--
That we shall have a warm July--Gilbert & Sullivan
Birdy, birdy in the sky,
Why'd you do that in my eye?
I'm not sad, I'm not mad,
I'm just glad that cows don't fly.
| 798 |
Ringo the Gringo Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:58:00pm |
I must say I'm appalled - (and surprised) - at the number of people here who think this picture is not racist.
| 799 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:58:21pm |
re: #798 Ringo the Gringo
I must say I'm appalled - (and surprised) - at the number of people here who think this picture is not racist.
You're not the only one.
| 800 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:58:40pm |
| 801 |
opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:58:40pm |
re: #749 shug
I was at Cominskey Field, how about you ?
The President must interject himself in everything. you know that he is jealous of the bride at a wedding & the dearly departed at a wake.
| 802 |
yochanan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:58:55pm |
re: #747 jorline
OK...where's 3 wood?
White Sox's Buehrle tosses 18th perfect game in history vs. Rays
By tonight 200,000 people will have claimed to have seen it first hand.
Congrats Mark Buehrle!
WOW
| 803 |
AuntAcid Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:59:01pm |
| 804 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:59:22pm |
re: #775 Charles
I'm finished putting up with sniping comments.
How 'bout smarmy. Can we do smarmy?
/ *ducks*
| 805 |
rightymouse Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:59:29pm |
re: #765 DEZes
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue.
Here. Have a choco martini instead.
| 806 |
DEZes Thu, Jul 23, 2009 2:59:29pm |
re: #784 callahan23
Hey where have you been? You've been missed.
How are you buddy?
re: #790 snowcrash
I have just been busy, I did a drive by last night to let everyone know I am still kicking.
Thanks for thinking of me.
And how the hell are ya?
Is that where you've been? On a glue sniffing binge? Missed you anyway.
LOL
Good glue is hard to come by these days. ;)
| 807 |
Honorary Yooper Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:00:17pm |
This thread has been a very interesting read.
1. You have those who, for some reason, are trying to defend the image. Folks, no matter what you think of Obama, this image is indefensible. It is wrong on many levels, and yes, race is one of them.
2. You have a few who are using it as a bludgeon to label all on the right as racists who are OK with it. That's also wrong, as I see quite a few here who are on the right and rightly criticizing the image as racist and wrong.
The image is terrible, and I applaud those who are standing up and saying it is wrong. We need more of this from both the right and the left, not just one or the other. It cannot be politicized as have similar images in the past. They are wrong, period, full stop.
| 808 |
Russkilitlover Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:00:27pm |
re: #805 rightymouse
Here. Have a choco martini instead.
I love chocolate. I love martinis. However, Choco-tinis are disgusting. Blech.
| 809 |
nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:00:41pm |
re: #798 Ringo the Gringo
I must say I'm appalled - (and surprised) - at the number of people here who think this picture is not racist.
I didn't say that--though I got dinged down by Charles--I just said that there was a legitimate explanation for the images used alongside the nasty implications.
| 810 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:01:19pm |
re: #809 nikis-knight
I didn't say that--though I got dinged down by Charles--I just said that there was a legitimate explanation for the images used alongside the nasty implications.
There is NOTHING legitimate about this picture.
| 811 |
funky chicken Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:01:54pm |
self.inflicted.wound
defending this creep or his stupid photoshop provides ammunition for liberals and makes it easy for them to convince others that conservatives are racist
it's the same as the fools who defend Pam "Atlas" and her ilk
| 812 |
Silvergirl Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:01:55pm |
| 813 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:01:59pm |
re: #808 Russkilitlover
I love chocolate. I love martinis. However, Choco-tinis are disgusting. Blech.
We had some friends over once and were having steak (and other things) kabobs and chocolate-dipped strawberries.
The husband half of the other couple came up with the idea that we should chocolate-dip the steak.
Love ya dude, but...no. Sometimes two good things should not be joined.
| 814 |
Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:02:04pm |
re: #696 Charles
Wow.
This is not LGF's finest hour.
Just part of the process of separating the wheat from the chaff. The GOP is about where the Democrats were after the 1972 election, nuts running the place and rational elements feeling homeless and rejected. They had a long climb back to the top, but they made it. I don't think we can count on Obama pulling something like Watergate to help us along though.
| 815 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:02:50pm |
What a dope that McKalip is. The ironic thing is that the AMA has been supporting Obamacare, much to the chagrin of many of their members.
| 816 |
jorline Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:02:58pm |
re: #749 shug
I was at Cominskey Field, how about you ?
28,037...lmao
3 wood was probably at the game.
| 817 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:03:11pm |
re: #814 Shiplord Kirel
Just part of the process of separating the wheat from the chaff. The GOP is about where the Democrats were after the 1972 election, nuts running the place and rational elements feeling homeless and rejected. They had a long climb back to the top, but they made it. I don't think we can count on Obama pulling something like Watergate to help us along though.
If we are lucky, really, really lucky, this Carter will be followed by another Reagan.
| 818 |
opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:03:20pm |
re: #802 yochanan
WOW
Mark has been a stud since he came uo to the Sox.
His stats are on a par with CC Sabathia.
| 819 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:03:39pm |
re: #814 Shiplord Kirel
Just part of the process of separating the wheat from the chaff. The GOP is about where the Democrats were after the 1972 election, nuts running the place and rational elements feeling homeless and rejected. They had a long climb back to the top, but they made it. I don't think we can count on Obama pulling something like Watergate to help us along though.
Hoping for a scandal to save us is folly and even if we did get a scandal, it would only enable a continues procrastination of cleaning our own house.
| 820 |
doppelganglander Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:03:41pm |
re: #800 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
User is blocked
Sigh. I wish he had quit posting before it got to that point.
| 822 |
rightymouse Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:04:03pm |
re: #808 Russkilitlover
I love chocolate. I love martinis. However, Choco-tinis are disgusting. Blech.
I don't eat plain chocolate. I hate regular martinis. But somehow, choco-martinis are the bomb.
| 823 |
calcajun Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:04:19pm |
re: #718 Killgore Trout
This is just a thought, so bear with me (I'm stealing from the company, so my thoughts might not be fully jelled).
First, I find the photo to be in very poor taste and sophomoric. It does not reflect well on the intellect of the person who created it or posted it.
Two possibilities:
First- If we are in a truly post-racial society, many would say that such photos are an anachronism-- a bad vestige of the past and better forgotten. I think that would be the majority of folks.
Second--Others, perhaps disingenuously, would argue that since we are post-racial, then all forms of racial slurs would be fair-game in the public arena. The rationale would be that since we are all looking beyond race, then why, then, should anyone be offended by the use of a term or an image that should no longer carry any "racial" connotation. This is akin the the constant use of profanity to the point where it is part of the accepted vernacular and is used by all, irrespective of the connotation.
Part of me would like to think that this might come to be (though I don't like cursing except to emphasize a point) and a white man could use, in an academic sense, "the" worst pejorative to the ears of an African-American (or other words with alliterative similarities) without fear of being excoriated. Sense we do not yet live in that world, then the First posit aptly describes where we are as a society.
Gotta get back down into the mines...
Later, comrades!
| 825 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:05:08pm |
re: #820 doppelganglander
Sigh. I wish he had quit posting before it got to that point.
Yup, train wreck. Sometimes, you just need to walk away.
| 826 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:05:13pm |
| 827 |
experiencedtraveller Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:05:25pm |
re: #816 jorline
28,037...lmao
3 wood was probably at the game.
3 wood popped by earlier and noted the perfect game...
| 828 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:05:48pm |
re: #809 nikis-knight
I didn't say that--though I got dinged down by Charles--I just said that there was a legitimate explanation for the images used alongside the nasty implications.
Except for the little problem of racist imagery drowning out the intended message. It would be like ignoring the hurricane to notice the flapping of a butterfly's wing.
| 829 |
calcajun Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:05:51pm |
| 830 |
Shug Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:05:59pm |
That many karma points shooting down the memory hole leaves a mark, like we saw the other day on jupiter.
| 831 |
yochanan Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:06:00pm |
A PERFECT GAME & GRAND SLAM TOO
the chicago white sox are now tied for first place
WOW
| 832 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:06:09pm |
| 833 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:06:41pm |
re: #815 Ward Cleaver
What a dope that McKalip is. The ironic thing is that the AMA has been supporting Obamacare, much to the chagrin of many of their members.
And now McKalip - who sits on one of their boards - will surely be asked to resign, removing a conservative voice from a position of authority. And quite likely driving other conservative voices underground as a result of his thoughtlessness.
| 834 |
Bobblehead Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:06:46pm |
| 835 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:07:12pm |
re: #814 Shiplord Kirel
Just part of the process of separating the wheat from the chaff. The GOP is about where the Democrats were after the 1972 election, nuts running the place and rational elements feeling homeless and rejected. They had a long climb back to the top, but they made it. I don't think we can count on Obama pulling something like Watergate to help us along though.
The thing is, he may be the Jimmy Carter that gets us our Ronald Reagan. Remember how Carter screwed so many things up, making the way for Reagan?
| 836 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:07:26pm |
re: #834 Bobblehead
Isn't there some kind of comics thingy going on in San Diego?
Comic-Con this weekend.
| 837 |
Ringo the Gringo Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:07:49pm |
re: #809 nikis-knight
I didn't say that--though I got dinged down by Charles--I just said that there was a legitimate explanation for the images used alongside the nasty implications.
It's a picture of America's first black President with a bone through his nose!... I didn't vote for Barack Obama, but he is my President, and this kind of shit pisses me off.
| 838 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:08:05pm |
re: #814 Shiplord Kirel
Just part of the process of separating the wheat from the chaff. The GOP is about where the Democrats were after the 1972 election, nuts running the place and rational elements feeling homeless and rejected. They had a long climb back to the top, but they made it. I don't think we can count on Obama pulling something like Watergate to help us along though.
Ah? Granted that McGovern looked a loon (especially in retrospect), what about Carter? And then Mondale? And Dukakis (I will grant that Dukakis' fault was that he made John Kerry look cheerful)? How did the rational elements prevail after that? Dean? Kucinich? Our present President?
I'm not sure that your analogy holds.
| 839 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:08:06pm |
re: #833 SixDegrees
And now McKalip - who sits on one of their boards - will surely be asked to resign, removing a conservative voice from a position of authority. And quite likely driving other conservative voices underground as a result of his thoughtlessness.
Just flat stupidity. Always think before you send that email.
| 841 |
nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:08:10pm |
re: #810 Charles
There is NOTHING legitimate about this picture.
Really? Because it is very obvious what he is trying to say--the implication is that Obama will give us poor quality health care, analagous to that of superstitious tribesmen. Obviously that's a hyperbole, but I resent the implication that I am a racist for being able to see another reason for the image used. If the message is obvious then clearly the images legitimately convey the message he wanted, even if their juxtaposition gets across a racist message as well.
I guess I might be meaning something different than what you think I mean. I of course think the doctor must have some screws loose to think this wouldn't be offensive, as I said before.
| 842 |
jorline Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:08:11pm |
re: #831 yochanan
A PERFECT GAME & GRAND SLAM TOO
the chicago white sox are now tied for first place
WOW
That's because the White Sox are Obama's America's team.
//
| 843 |
Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:08:13pm |
re: #819 Sharmuta
Hoping for a scandal to save us is folly and even if we did get a scandal, it would only enable a continues procrastination of cleaning our own house.
Exactly. If Obambi were caught taking a bag of cash from Osama bin Laden or buggering the American eagle in the middle of the Washington mall, it would still do nothing to address the underlying problem. It would probably just make it worse.
| 844 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:08:16pm |
| 845 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:08:31pm |
re: #835 Ward Cleaver
The thing is, he may be the Jimmy Carter that gets us our Ronald Reagan. Remember how Carter screwed so many things up, making the way for Reagan?
I sure hope so but Carter was a hapless, naive fool. This fellow has an aggressive agenda that goes far beyond hapless.
| 846 |
MandyManners Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:09:16pm |
re: #833 SixDegrees
And now McKalip - who sits on one of their boards - will surely be asked to resign, removing a conservative voice from a position of authority. And quite likely driving other conservative voices underground as a result of his thoughtlessness.
It really chaps my hide that he thought that this was appropriate in the first place.
| 847 |
KansasMom Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:09:24pm |
re: #166 Charles
I disagree. This picture needs to be seen.
I disagreed with you at comment 166. I thought, this is so obviously racist, why give it any more publicity?
500 and change comments later I see your point.
| 848 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:09:40pm |
re: #832 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And they only choose to use DC heroes? Comicists
I think the end 'e' is spidey, and isn't that Wolverine in the bottom of the 'g'?
| 849 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:09:51pm |
re: #841 nikis-knight
Really? Because it is very obvious what he is trying to say--the implication is that Obama will give us poor quality health care, analagous to that of superstitious tribesmen. Obviously that's a hyperbole, but I resent the implication that I am a racist for being able to see another reason for the image used. If the message is obvious then clearly the images legitimately convey the message he wanted, even if their juxtaposition gets across a racist message as well.
I guess I might be meaning something different than what you think I mean. I of course think the doctor must have some screws loose to think this wouldn't be offensive, as I said before.
That's the same as saying the Nazi's got the message across, but you didn't agree with killing all those Jews.
| 850 |
nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:09:59pm |
re: #828 CyanSnowHawk
Except for the little problem of racist imagery drowning out the intended message. It would be like ignoring the hurricane to notice the flapping of a butterfly's wing.
I guess I'm just not that familiar with racist imagry, then.
| 851 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:10:02pm |
re: #834 Bobblehead
Isn't there some kind of comics thingy going on in San Diego?
ComicCon. The Mother of All Comic Book Conventions.
They're supposed to have a massive zombie parade there today, part of promotion for an upcoming film. Or something. The explanation was a little vague.
| 852 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:10:02pm |
re: #841 nikis-knight
Really? Because it is very obvious what he is trying to say--the implication is that Obama will give us poor quality health care, analagous to that of superstitious tribesmen. Obviously that's a hyperbole, but I resent the implication that I am a racist for being able to see another reason for the image used. If the message is obvious then clearly the images legitimately convey the message he wanted, even if their juxtaposition gets across a racist message as well.
I guess I might be meaning something different than what you think I mean. I of course think the doctor must have some screws loose to think this wouldn't be offensive, as I said before.
If someone gave you a glass of champagne with a little piece of shit in it, would you say: "Well, the part of the champagne that doesn't have shit in it is still delicious?"
| 853 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:10:14pm |
re: #840 DEZes
Nevergiveup got the hammer?
Bummer.
I hope not. I knwo he got deleted a bunch. Couldn't read the comments to see the reason.
| 854 |
Silvergirl Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:10:16pm |
re: #823 calcajun
First, I find the photo to be in very poor taste and sophomoric. It does not reflect well on the intellect of the person who created it or posted it.
Two possibilities:
First- If we are in a truly post-racial society, many would say that such photos are an anachronism-- a bad vestige of the past and better forgotten. I think that would be the majority of folks.
You're on it! It's like the old postcards and ads of blacks all smiles and teeth eating watermelon. Most of us look back on them with anything but fondness and put them in the same category as the evil that brought about separate drinking fountains.
| 855 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:10:17pm |
re: #841 nikis-knight
He may not have had racist intent, but that's the way it comes across to a lot of people. And when 0bama already has the MSM on his side, it doesn't help.
| 856 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:10:17pm |
It seems there's a little more background here...
CNS, Fox Business silent on controversial views of medical group
June 26, 2009
In a June 26 article, CNSNews.com senior reporter/editor Pete Winn reported on the claims of "Dr. David McKalip of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons," a Florida neurosurgeon who claimed in a "unique virtual town meeting broadcast on the Internet" that including a public plan option in health care reform -- which Winn described as "a mandatory government insurance option" -- will result in "government takeover of medicine" with a goal to "ration care" that will cause doctors to "simply start migrating out of medicine." But Winn did not note that AAPS is a conservative-leaning group that has promoted and endorsed controversial views on medicine and health, including urging doctors not to serve as Medicare providers and supporting a "moratorium on vaccine mandates."Similarly, in a June 11 interview of AAPS director of policy and public affairs Kathryn Serkes, Fox Business Network host Stuart Varney did not identify AAPS' ideological leanings or note its views.
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AAPS members passed a resolution in 2000 calling for a "moratorium on vaccine mandates."
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In 2001, the AAPS' Medical Sentinel published a review by Orient of Christopher Ruddy's book The Strange Death of Vincent Foster.
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A May 2005 AAPS newsletter asserted that the case of Terri Schiavo "took on the trappings of the 'final decision' in the Roman Colosseum in the days of the gladiators,"
| 857 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:10:49pm |
re: #846 MandyManners
It really chaps my hide that he thought that this was appropriate in the first place.
Absolutely. And it only gets worse when you look at the consequences. It's the gift that's going to keep on giving.
| 858 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:11:16pm |
re: #779 Dianna
That was very confused, I'm afraid.
eh?
I didn't make my point well?
Not surprising. It had trouble typing, letters came up slow.
| 859 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:11:27pm |
re: #833 SixDegrees
And now McKalip - who sits on one of their boards - will surely be asked to resign, removing a conservative voice from a position of authority. And quite likely driving other conservative voices underground as a result of his thoughtlessness.
If he's that thoughtless, how much good has he been doing? One must ask.
| 860 |
Shiplord Kirel Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:11:51pm |
re: #838 Dianna
Ah? Granted that McGovern looked a loon (especially in retrospect), what about Carter? And then Mondale? And Dukakis (I will grant that Dukakis' fault was that he made John Kerry look cheerful)? How did the rational elements prevail after that? Dean? Kucinich? Our present President?
I'm not sure that your analogy holds.
In terms of their message, the rational elements gained enough control to move back to the center with Carter. He was nothing of the kind, of course, but that only set the stage for Reagan. We have to be sure the same thing doesn't happen to us.
| 861 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:12:34pm |
re: #858 reine.de.tout
eh?
I didn't make my point well?
Not surprising. It had trouble typing, letters came up slow.
I wasn't sure what point you were after - unusual for you.
Threads this long sometimes produce odd actions in the comments box, I've noted.
| 862 |
nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:12:58pm |
re: #849 Walter L. Newton
That's the same as saying the Nazi's got the message across, but you didn't agree with killing all those Jews.
Really? Or you just felt like calling me a Nazi for the hell of it? Idiot.
| 863 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:13:43pm |
re: #861 Dianna
I wasn't sure what point you were after - unusual for you.
Threads this long sometimes produce odd actions in the comments box, I've noted.
Ah.
I got frustrated as I typed, and didn't complete my thoughts as fully as I should have, I guess. Did you figure it out?
| 864 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:14:11pm |
re: #860 Shiplord Kirel
In terms of their message, the rational elements gained enough control to move back to the center with Carter. He was nothing of the kind, of course, but that only set the stage for Reagan. We have to be sure the same thing doesn't happen to us.
I was 12 going on 13 when Carter was elected, but I remember finding him less than reassuring. My parents, however, didn't seem to share my opinion. I guess you remember it more clearly than I do.
| 865 |
wetfun Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:14:36pm |
[Ed. note: this account has been blocked.]
good parody, I like it.
| 866 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:14:37pm |
re: #863 reine.de.tout
Ah.
I got frustrated as I typed, and didn't complete my thoughts as fully as I should have, I guess. Did you figure it out?
Yes, eventually.
| 867 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:15:17pm |
| 868 |
rightymouse Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:16:24pm |
Am posting way late in the thread and really the only thing I can say is that the events of the past few days show that we are definitely not living in a post racial society.
| 869 |
Ringo the Gringo Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:16:43pm |
re: #855 Ward Cleaver
He may not have had racist intent, but that's the way it comes across to a lot of people. And when 0bama already has the MSM on his side, it doesn't help.
You don't create an image like the one above without racist intent. If the President was a white man, the witch doctor imagery would never have been used.
| 870 |
nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:16:44pm |
re: #852 Charles
If someone gave you a glass of champagne with a little piece of shit in it, would you say: "Well, the part of the champagne that doesn't have shit in it is still delicious?"
Wow, I really can't find where I said anything remotely analagous. So no, I wouldn't do that there any more than I did here.
| 871 |
opnion Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:16:54pm |
re: #831 yochanan
A PERFECT GAME & GRAND SLAM TOO
the chicago white sox are now tied for first place
WOW
Four games against the Tigers in Detroit starting tomorrow afternoon
| 872 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:17:17pm |
re: #862 nikis-knight
Really? Or you just felt like calling me a Nazi for the hell of it? Idiot.
Funny, you read that and saw "nikis-knight is a Nazi." I never said that. I frame a metaphorical situation to compare the way you look at a group, or an object, and what meaning you take away from that observation.
Which in the case of all your comment above, you are as good as agreeing with the sentiment of the photo, in my opinion.
| 873 |
Kragar Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:17:21pm |
re: #848 CyanSnowHawk
I think the end 'e' is spidey, and isn't that Wolverine in the bottom of the 'g'?
Nope, its Plastic Man and Robin.
| 874 |
Patriot Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:17:41pm |
re: #686 Charles
I'm not defending the picture/action. It is in exceedingly poor taste (at the very best), demeaning to the office of the President, not funny, and not particularly on-point. (Other than in a tangential medicine-man sort of way.)
And yes, racist. (As we see it today.)
What "the hell are [I'm] talking about" Charles is whether it will ever *not* be racist. (I'm certain it will always be in poor taste, demeaning & unfunny.)
If its racist because - "I know it when I see it", then it's always going to be okay for future Dr. Gates to scream 'racism' at policemen trying to do their jobs because racism will be a matter of personal perception.
If its racist because - "It portrays an aboriginal/savage/uncivilized image", then is it racist to show a (white) President as a Caveman?
If its racist because - "It shows a black man's head", but wouldn't be if it showed a white man's head? Then - short of some massive melanin excess/shortage in the global gene pool, are we ever going to get past the color "divide"?
Perhaps there will come a day when a stunt like this is universally agreed to be poor taste/demeaning/unfunny, but not racist.
I'd like to believe that will be a better day than the one we are in now, and I'm curious as to what other Lizards think. (In some polite societies, this is known as an intellectual discussion.)
I don't think such discourse is above the Lizards, and if it is - and beyond the capabilities of humankind, then we are doomed to debate this eternally.
| 875 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:18:40pm |
re: #870 nikis-knight
Wow, I really can't find where I said anything remotely analagous. So no, I wouldn't do that there any more than I did here.
If you're going to try to argue that there's a "legitimate point" somewhere in that disgusting racist image, that's exactly like saying that a little bit of shit doesn't ruin a glass of champagne.
| 876 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:18:41pm |
re: #859 Dianna
If he's that thoughtless, how much good has he been doing? One must ask.
It's a good question; according to a post just made by KT, his group also supports the anti-vax lunatics, so perhaps this will turn out well in the end if it winds up ousting him; that position alone ought to force him to be stripped of his license to practice. It's news to me, though; my original point was that we're losing a conservative voice in an important position as a result of a single indiscretion. Deservedly so. But the consequences are not good, and will certainly reach beyond this single blockhead to the detriment of other conservatives.
| 877 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:21:15pm |
re: #874 Patriot
I'm not defending the picture/action. It is in exceedingly poor taste (at the very best), demeaning to the office of the President, not funny, and not particularly on-point. (Other than in a tangential medicine-man sort of way.)
And yes, racist. (As we see it today.)
What "the hell are [I'm] talking about" Charles is whether it will ever *not* be racist. (I'm certain it will always be in poor taste, demeaning & unfunny.)
If its racist because - "I know it when I see it", then it's always going to be okay for future Dr. Gates to scream 'racism' at policemen trying to do their jobs because racism will be a matter of personal perception.
If its racist because - "It portrays an aboriginal/savage/uncivilized image", then is it racist to show a (white) President as a Caveman?
If its racist because - "It shows a black man's head", but wouldn't be if it showed a white man's head? Then - short of some massive melanin excess/shortage in the global gene pool, are we ever going to get past the color "divide"?
Perhaps there will come a day when a stunt like this is universally agreed to be poor taste/demeaning/unfunny, but not racist.I'd like to believe that will be a better day than the one we are in now, and I'm curious as to what other Lizards think. (In some polite societies, this is known as an intellectual discussion.)
I don't think such discourse is above the Lizards, and if it is - and beyond the capabilities of humankind, then we are doomed to debate this eternally.
It's too bad that you have to pontificate that much just to say you don't see that photoshop as racist. Jumping through hoops, same outcome, you have no problem with the racist implications.
| 878 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:21:33pm |
re: #856 Killgore Trout
I read those, and I am not at all sure what your point is. The doctor has strong opinions on insurance coverage (and I don't happen to disagree with the thrust of those remarks, though I might quibble with some details), but they do not speak to his judgment in sending out this vile piece.
| 879 |
funky chicken Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:22:49pm |
ODS is making some conservatives as insane as BDS made some liberals. It's to the democrats' shame that so few of them called out the worst of the BDSers. It really is important to have conservatives and republicans who are willing to call out the worst of the ODSers.
I spent the morning arguing over at hotair about the supposed scandalous "patient dumping" effort of the private UCMC that Michelle Obama was involved with. It's not illegal or immoral for a private hospital to send medicaid patients to the public hospitals that run on a budget that assumes that the insurance reimbursements are on the medicaid (ie, very low) level. It's simply a private, upscale company making sure it can stay in business and perhaps even turn a profit. But because Michelle Obama was associated with the effort, suddenly conservatives are all for destroying an important, high quality, private company.
Um...
| 880 |
Daria Emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:23:56pm |
re: #877 Walter L. Newton
It's too bad that you have to pontificate that much just to say you don't see that photoshop as racist. Jumping through hoops, same outcome, you have no problem with the racist implications.
I didn't view that poster as saying he had no problems with racist implications.
| 881 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:23:59pm |
re: #869 Ringo the Gringo
You don't create an image like the one above without racist intent. If the President was a white man, the witch doctor imagery would never have been used.
I don't know about that, but it certainly wouldn't have been clearly offensive.
| 882 |
funky chicken Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:25:37pm |
Actually, a truly funny image would have been to photoshop Obama's face onto Benny Hinn or some other idiot faith healer ... missed opportunity, and like I said above, self inflicted wound.
| 883 |
nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:26:42pm |
re: #872 Walter L. Newton
Funny, you read that and saw "nikis-knight is a Nazi." I never said that. I frame a metaphorical situation to compare the way you look at a group, or an object, and what meaning you take away from that observation.
Which in the case of all your comment above, you are as good as agreeing with the sentiment of the photo, in my opinion.
Walter, I believe I have read your comments enough to know when an implication is intended. Why exactly would you use a Nazi example then? What makes you think that my only problem with Nazis is the murder of millions of people, or that I would express such mild disapproval? Such a tepid response that it appears that I doing the opposite of damning with faint praise, praising with faint condemnation?
Please don't insult my intelligence by telling me the Nazi (apologist) insult was not intended.
Further, I think there is a little difference between making a nasty racist picture and starting world war two in order to exterminate a people.
| 884 |
Wendya Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:26:43pm |
re: #519 Bobblehead
That made be laugh and blush. I had several pairs of those jeans back in the day. LOL
Anyone over the age of 25 has experience with them. Of course the same people who are today laughing and sneering at them work in the same industry that gave us "Mom jeans" in the first place. Personally, I find low riders with rolls of fat hanging over far more ridiculous.
| 885 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:27:44pm |
re: #876 SixDegrees
It's a good question; according to a post just made by KT, his group also supports the anti-vax lunatics, so perhaps this will turn out well in the end if it winds up ousting him; that position alone ought to force him to be stripped of his license to practice. It's news to me, though; my original point was that we're losing a conservative voice in an important position as a result of a single indiscretion. Deservedly so. But the consequences are not good, and will certainly reach beyond this single blockhead to the detriment of other conservatives.
Well, yes, the group can (in 2000 - which makes me more curious about their reasons, since I seeme to recall that the first studies showing no relation between vaccines and autism is earlier than that) be tied to anti-vaxer lunacy; the doctor himself, though? We need a better picture of his views over time for that.
I'm no fan, but I would appreciate it if we looked carefully before attributing things to either the group or the man until we've sorted one from the other.
Or, hell, we can just lump 'em all in together and claim that some deity will recognize his own.
| 886 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:27:46pm |
re: #884 Wendya
Anyone over the age of 25 has experience with them. Of course the same people who are today laughing and sneering at them work in the same industry that gave us "Mom jeans" in the first place. Personally, I find low riders with rolls of fat hanging over far more ridiculous.
Muffin tops are not a good look.
| 887 |
funky chicken Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:28:50pm |
re: #876 SixDegrees
It's a good question; according to a post just made by KT, his group also supports the anti-vax lunatics, so perhaps this will turn out well in the end if it winds up ousting him; that position alone ought to force him to be stripped of his license to practice. It's news to me, though; my original point was that we're losing a conservative voice in an important position as a result of a single indiscretion. Deservedly so. But the consequences are not good, and will certainly reach beyond this single blockhead to the detriment of other conservatives.
So he's all for "faith healing" if it comes from conservative anti-vax lunatics, but he's going to send out something critical of Obamacare with racist witch-doctor imagery.
under the bus, as fast as possible.
and I guess that answers why he didn't do the Benny Hinn faith-healer photoshop.
| 888 |
nikis-knight Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:30:32pm |
re: #875 Charles
If you're going to try to argue that there's a "legitimate point" somewhere in that disgusting racist image, that's exactly like saying that a little bit of shit doesn't ruin a glass of champagne.
What I said was that there was a non-racial reason for using a witch doctor, even if the result with Obama in it has nasty racist overtones.
That is not the same as saying I find this picture delicious.
| 889 |
rumcrook Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:30:37pm |
ive read through this thread. man was it tedious.
I was at first obtusely oblivious to the racist aspect of it, but thats probably because im a dumbass. but it IS racialy charged and vile.
its also beyond stupid.
when your oponent is virtually sinking himself dont throw him a life line. this is beyond the pale cant be defended and thus makes a perfect life line for obama supporters.
why oh why when the liberal socialists are just about to sink thier own ship does the right keep snatching defeat from the jaws of victory???
| 890 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:30:41pm |
re: #874 Patriot
What a bunch of crap.
Portraying a black president with a freaking BONE THROUGH HIS NOSE is racist now, and it's always going to be racist.
| 891 |
Patriot Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:31:32pm |
re: #877 Walter L. Newton
Sorry it was a burden to read the post. I was replying to Charles. (That's what the "re:" means.) Given the other posts, I thought his mouse might be close to the "Inactivate Account" button.
Once more - It's racist.
But if we scream 'racism' at every turn in this maze, how do we ever get out?
| 892 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:31:33pm |
re: #877 Walter L. Newton
Um? He did say it was racist. Right here:
And yes, racist. (As we see it today.)
He was asking - and on another day it might be an interesting discussion - would there ever be a day when we'd all agree it's tasteless, demeaning and not funny, without the word "racism" coming into it? And what would the criteria be?
| 893 |
rumcrook Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:33:29pm |
and Charles ~~~ really, did ya have to use the shit in the champaign analogy?? man that has just mentally soured me on drinking champaign at the wedding ive got to go to tommorow.
thanks pal.
| 895 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:40:17pm |
HolyFuckingHell! McKalip, you stupid asshole, who is this helping?
| 896 |
centaur Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:44:23pm |
Wow. This post has convinced me that people are simply wired differently. Period. Gobsmacked if you try to understand it. Good night, all.
| 897 |
calcajun Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:47:02pm |
Here's the issue--and then I am really going way down to mine salt as this does not put food on my table--
Is this really racist? I've made my feelings known upthread--but racism is like pornography-- you know it when you see it.
This photos is a symptom of a syndrome which afflicted the left for eight years and now has infected the right. It's stupid and it's counterproductive and some grown-up has got to call it when they see it. I have no idea what the good doctor was trying to say. He might have had a valid point, but by posting this asinine photo, he undermined any credibility he might have had and lost any he hoped to garner. The whole GOP is similarly afflicted.
The only consolation we can take is that the Dems are not able to capitalize on this weakness. BHO just took a major political hit last night and today. Unless he can crack the whip on Congress, both Cap and Trade and the healthcare plan will languish until the fall--if not beyond. If he cannot, and Congress recesses without moving either bill forward, then it will be a huge setback. If the GOP had it's act together--if it had a leader--it could be making great hay of this. Instead, we're served up stupid and offensive images that only reinforce the stereotypes about the right.
Look, I am more than halfway through the life span allotted me by the actuarial tables and frankly, life is getting way to short to be polite to stupid people. Charles is absolutely right to keep calling people on nonsense like this because if and when the GOP starts to get traction, the last thing we want is the MSM to dredge merde like this photo and knock us back more.
Later y'all.
| 898 |
rumcrook Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:55:49pm |
re: #897 calcajun
it looks racist.
it is definately racially charged, its ugly, and definatly hurts everyone around the doctor. he may or may not be a bigot. I dont know whats in his heart but he is definatly a dumbass to the tenth power.
and im tired of self destructing conservatives dragging the rest of us down.
| 899 |
flutesnoot Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:57:40pm |
This picture isn't about denigrating black people, it's making a political point. I think it's valid. This is no different than a white politician from a southern state having his head photoshopped onto a picture of some bib overall wearing, corncob pipe smoking hillbilly holding a jug of moonshine.
Witch doctors are funny. Hillbillies are funny. Lighten up.
| 900 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:57:54pm |
re: #896 centaur
Wow. This post has convinced me that people are simply wired differently. Period. Gobsmacked if you try to understand it. Good night, all.
Right. Some of us are wired to see an altered picture of a black man with a bone through his nose as obviously racist.
Others are wired to make excuses for it and pretend there's nothing wrong.
| 901 |
Patriot Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:00:05pm |
re: #890 Charles
Contemplate the implication of your post; that we will never be able to move beyond the concept of race.
That future generations will always have to live with idiots like this 'photoshopper' and on the other side, Dr. Gates, etc.
I've spent considerable time as a (white) minority in various places around the world. 'Racism', and it takes many forms, happens almost everywhere to some degree or another.
We'll get beyond it when we can talk about it without hyperventilating and SCREAMING.
Perhaps today isn't the day...
| 902 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:01:59pm |
re: #901 Patriot
Contemplate the implication of your post; that we will never be able to move beyond the concept of race.
That future generations will always have to live with idiots like this 'photoshopper' and on the other side, Dr. Gates, etc.
I've spent considerable time as a (white) minority in various places around the world. 'Racism', and it takes many forms, happens almost everywhere to some degree or another.
We'll get beyond it when we can talk about it without hyperventilating and SCREAMING.
Perhaps today isn't the day...
"Move beyond" the concept of race -- by not being offended by hateful images with racist intent?
This is one of the weirdest justifications for racism I think I've seen yet.
We'll "move beyond" racism when people stop being racists -- and stop making excuses for it.
| 903 |
Aye Pod Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:11:36pm |
re: #901 Patriot
Pathetic. The problem is with those who create and promote these kinds of racist images, not with those who correctly identify them as racist.
| 904 |
wahabicorridor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:13:15pm |
I've spent a bit of time thinking about this.
I have no insight into McKalip's intent or into the moron that thought the photoshop was a good idea.
Is it racist, is it from the right, blah blah blah.
Here, IMHO, is what it comes down to for me.
It dehumanizes Barack Obama.
I despise the man's policies. I think he is a liar and a stealth president and all the rest. If that man gave a speech that assured me the sun rises in the east, the very least I would do would be to get up early in the morning and double-check.
This photo made another human being an object of ridicule. Not his policies. Him.
So, when push comes to shove, how lame is this really? How involved in your own cleverness do you have to be to completely ignore the substance of the policies and denigrate the humanity of Barack Obama.
Because whether the intent was racial or not - the impetus was dehumanization. And it was dehumanization in the most repugnant of memes. The meme of the primitive
We've seen this before.
In the cause of human health care no less.
Where the fuck do I hurl?
What an absolute crock.
| 905 |
rumcrook Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:14:11pm |
when I was in the army, there was a greek guy in my unit, everyone called him alphabet. I dont know why it is that greek guys with long names never seem to be able to be called by thier names, in the army but anyway,
he came in to the baracks one night blind stinking drunk the center of his own meriment and making a party. he took off all his cloths and he had even craped himself, he then proceeded to swing his crap filled underwear around over his head like a a slingshot crap flying everywhere and threw it at the wall laughing and partying.
he got crap all over his friends, and all over his bed and all over the room.
the moral of the story is if you start slinging crap thinking your making a funny,
your going to end up tainting all your friends with your crap.
anyone rationalizing what the doctor did get the point?
now see charles I used a crap analogy and didnt have to involve my tastebuds...
| 906 |
dr. akim ullsheetbay Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:16:25pm |
i rarely post but as a canadian i am seeing something from the sidelines. he's not my president so i don't have the same connection to maintaining his presidentiality. when i first saw the picture i just laughed. it is a political cartoon. a funny one. looks like satire to me.
obama has opened himself to this kind of criticism by trying to ram socialized medicine down your throats. the likelihood, as the caption states "coming to a clinic near you" makes for a succinct jab at his policies.
| 907 |
Øyvind Strømmen Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:16:57pm |
Frankly I think the hammer and sickle is just as stupid in this context as the whole "witch doctor"-thing. It's silly to brand Obama a communist. If he was a Norwegian, he'd probably be in the Conservative party, not in the Socialist Left party, absolutely not in the Communist party.
I have not been following the debate on health care in the US (we're in the middle of an election campaign in Norway, and that's more interesting these dayS), and consequently I have no overview over what problems there might be with Obama's suggested model. But I can say this: universal health care is not Communism, publicly-funded health care is not Communism. In fact, the United States is pretty much the only wealthy, industrialised nation that does not have a universal health care system. Israel, for instance, is not a communist country. Norway is not a communist country. The Netherlands? Nope. New Zealand? Nope.
Using the Communist stamp on Obama is political hyperbole - and political hyperbole is mostly a very bad way to convince people. But hey, I support universal health care, so I should probably not be complaining.
| 908 |
wahabicorridor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:17:07pm |
re: #905 rumcrook
please learn how to spell while drunk
| 909 |
Aye Pod Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:17:45pm |
re: #904 wahabicorridor
Because whether the intent was racial or not - the impetus was dehumanization. And it was dehumanization in the most repugnant of memes. The meme of the primitive
And I'll bet a lot of the same people who updinged the "it's satire, not racism" comments are the same people who always upding comments that support the so called 'scientific evidence' that black people are less intelligent than white people.
| 910 |
Patriot Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:18:43pm |
re: #902 Charles
Damn Charles, for what the third or fourth time?, I'm not defending racism, or the friggin' picture. I am profoundly offended both by the picture and the need to reiterate.
But more disturbing than the picture is the thought that we will never get out of this maze.
Serious question: Does Dr. Gates deserve "Racist of [another] Day" for his actions? It seems to me that he does. NOT DEFENDING THE PICTURE, but the President is a public figure. Attention is expected.
Dr. Gates however used race - albeit in a different way, to attempt (succeeded?) to destroy the reputation of what seems to be a model policeman.
If we're going to call it when we see, how about let's call it *every time* we see it.
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psyop Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:20:43pm |
Why not tie in the hammer and sickle of Obama Care (which I like) into the picture. Like having him photoshopped into being the marshal at one of those great Commie parades, but instead of missiles and tanks and troops rolling by, it is doctors, ambulances, and MRI machines.
Or something. Much better than debasing yourself by being a racist asshole. Plus it helps get the point across.
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funky chicken Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:20:54pm |
re: #889 rumcrook
ive read through this thread. man was it tedious.
I was at first obtusely oblivious to the racist aspect of it, but thats probably because im a dumbass. but it IS racialy charged and vile.
its also beyond stupid.
when your oponent is virtually sinking himself dont throw him a life line. this is beyond the pale cant be defended and thus makes a perfect life line for obama supporters.
why oh why when the liberal socialists are just about to sink thier own ship does the right keep snatching defeat from the jaws of victory???
amazingly frustrating, isn't it?
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wahabicorridor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:21:21pm |
re: #909 Jimmah
are the same people who always upding comments that support the so called 'scientific evidence' that black people are less intelligent than white people.
Wow. I must have missed that. I've never seen anything on LGF or the comment threads that support that. Gotta link?
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Aye Pod Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:25:57pm |
re: #913 wahabicorridor
No . But I saw someone here do it just the other day, IIRC in a discussion about affirmative action. It's cropped up a few times before too - usually feature the line 'studies say that sub-saharan africans have a lower IQ than white people'.
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Patriot Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:26:23pm |
re: #903 Jimmah
Brevity may be a virtue, but your post could have used more substance.
How did you construe anything I said to indicate that the problem lay with those identifying the picture as racist - which BTW included me, several times, or in anyway defending/excusing "those who create and promote"?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:26:33pm |
To those of you good people who seem to think that there is nothing wrong with this hideous image:
1. Are you insane? Do you really think that using the image of a primative, tribal black man to describe a modern American man of color is not racist? Exactly how many cruel, condescending and degrading racial stereotypes do you need in one image before it becomes racist? Of course you know it's racist. You either are a racist yourself or you just hate Obama so much that you think insulting his skin color is now ok. Either way you are assholes.
2. Do you think this makes people on the right look good? Answer, NO. It causes us to be lumped in with bigots like you. You are the same types who thought Barak the magic negro was ok too. You are also the same types who think that he and Sotomayor are talentless AA beneficiaries.
3. The hammer and cicle on the bottom... OK, ok I get it, these are the Lenninist tribal people, because we all now that tribal peoples read Das Kapital and worry about the class struggle culiminating in the rise of the proletariat when not out hunting with spears... If you are going to mix hateful memes, at least get them right. Really guys, at least be smart enough to be a good bigot.
4. Ohhh yeah and FUCK YOU!
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rumcrook Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:26:57pm |
re: #908 wahabicorridor
drunk? im just a bad speller if I was drunk that whole story would have read---
gugle blejj an tehn I says hahaha
khaaa
sarc/
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rumcrook Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:29:41pm |
re: #912 funky chicken
yes. disheartening more than frustrating like rooting for the buffalo bills.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:30:44pm |
typo in my 916
The hammer and cicle on the bottom... OK, ok I get it, these are the Lenninist tribal people, because we all know that tribal peoples read Das Kapital and worry about the class struggle culiminating in the rise of the proletariat when not out hunting with spears... If you are going to mix hateful memes, at least get them right. Really guys, at least be smart enough to be a good bigot.
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MJ Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:31:56pm |
re: #890 Charles
What a bunch of crap.
Portraying a black president with a freaking BONE THROUGH HIS NOSE is racist now, and it's always going to be racist.
If a cartoon where to depict Rahm Emanuel with a stereotypical "hook nose", wide lips, and claws for hands, wouldn't that qualify as being antisemitic?
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Aye Pod Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:32:58pm |
re: #915 Patriot
Brevity may be a virtue, but your post could have used more substance.
How did you construe anything I said to indicate that the problem lay with those identifying the picture as racist - which BTW included me, several times, or in anyway defending/excusing "those who create and promote"?
Because that seems to be the focus of your lament.
If you are trying to say that in a truly colour blind world, such a picture could only be seen as satire, I'd say to you it wouldn't be enough for the world to be 'truly colour blind' for that to be the case. You would need a world which had ALWAYS been truly clolour blind, one with no history of people producing crap like that for racist reasons, that anyone could be referencing in producing an image like that.
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flyovercountry Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:33:18pm |
RE : 910 Patriot
This argument is a pure load of nonsense. This cartoon does nothing but make an attempt to appeal to the lowest levels of people's bigoted thoughts. Worse yet, it is easy to pin this nonsense on all conservatives. While this is not true, those cogent arguments which should hold water towards forwarding our cause, will not be heard. This turns our voice in the arena of ideas into white noise. That being said, it is just plain racism. We will be past this point in time when people no longer find these types of appeals to our base fears and hatred no longer work. Once again, we can eloquently state Obama's incompetence, and should not need these cheap tricks.
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rumcrook Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:33:23pm |
re: #920 MJ
yes and most people here would rightfully decry the characiture as anti semetic.
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psyop Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:34:25pm |
re: #920 MJ
If a cartoon where to depict Rahm Emanuel with a stereotypical "hook nose", wide lips, and claws for hands, wouldn't that qualify as being antisemitic?
No, no, no...
That is only okay if you are depicting a Jew that resides in Israel.
/sarc
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:35:37pm |
re: #901 Patriot
Contemplate the implication of your post; that we will never be able to move beyond the concept of race.
That future generations will always have to live with idiots like this 'photoshopper' and on the other side, Dr. Gates, etc.
I've spent considerable time as a (white) minority in various places around the world. 'Racism', and it takes many forms, happens almost everywhere to some degree or another.
We'll get beyond it when we can talk about it without hyperventilating and SCREAMING.
Perhaps today isn't the day...
Why don't you look at it the other way... Perhaps people like Dr Gates are so ready to jump the gun and act out because of all of the times they have been told to swallow shit like this from punks like you.
I have never actually in my history here directly called another lizard an asshole.
You are a racist smaug POS asshole.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:38:41pm |
re: #910 Patriot
Damn Charles, for what the third or fourth time?, I'm not defending racism, or the friggin' picture. I am profoundly offended both by the picture and the need to reiterate.
But more disturbing than the picture is the thought that we will never get out of this maze.
Serious question: Does Dr. Gates deserve "Racist of [another] Day" for his actions? It seems to me that he does. NOT DEFENDING THE PICTURE, but the President is a public figure. Attention is expected.
Dr. Gates however used race - albeit in a different way, to attempt (succeeded?) to destroy the reputation of what seems to be a model policeman.
If we're going to call it when we see, how about let's call it *every time* we see it.
How about let's read the rest of the day's posts?
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MJ Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:39:01pm |
re: #923 rumcrook
yes and most people here would rightfully decry the characiture as anti semetic.
Right, and that's the point. Charles is right. Depicting a black man with a bone through his nose is always going to be racist as is depicting a Jew with a hook nose. Both play on racist and antisemitic stereotypes.
| 928 |
quickjustice Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:39:28pm |
Im my experience, AMA delegates are selected based upon horse trading among geriatric medical politicians. They're not exactly the sharpest tools in the shed. My question to this doctor is the same as my question to the AMA lobbyists who endorsed Obama's proposed legislation: did you bother to read the Obama health care bill?
I already know the answer.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:40:44pm |
re: #926 Charles
Scrolling down the front page is teh hard.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:41:35pm |
re: #921 Jimmah
Because that seems to be the focus of your lament.
If you are trying to say that in a truly colour blind world, such a picture could only be seen as satire, I'd say to you it wouldn't be enough for the world to be 'truly colour blind' for that to be the case. You would need a world which had ALWAYS been truly clolour blind, one with no history of people producing crap like that for racist reasons, that anyone could be referencing in producing an image like that.
Buddy, of course you are right, but...
There is no point in arguing with the smug, oh so reasonable, country club tone using racist. They really are the most obnoxious variety because they honestly think that they aren't.
No, it's just the way it is...
Some of my best friends are...
But it is true that people from group x always...
Try reasoning with a Disco Shill or any of the other true believers out there.
The only course of action is to remind them that in America, All men are created equal is seen as a self evident truth and then to tell them to FOAD.
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serious Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:43:13pm |
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Racism?? where is the racism in this picture ?? I think that the racism is just in the eyes of those who see racism in it , because I am not a racist and what I see is just a comical criticism on the national healthcare system that obama is proposing , making some kind of comparison with the health care system of a chaman.
But there are people that just see racism in this picture because they just see a black man instead of a bad politician and his very bad "ideas" .
I see the bad politician and his bad ideas represented there by in a funny way ( not very much funny really ... it is not very good joke )
Maybe you could critizice some aspects of this picture ... for example ,it is not a great joke , it is predicatble obvious that this picture were a perfect ocasion for some people to scream " racism!" . But it is not racist, at least it is not racist if you see there a man and his bad ideas ... instead of only a black man .
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anchors_aweigh Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:43:26pm |
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Wow...the White Guilt is surely on display tonight.
Liberals promote the most racist policy ever devised; Affirmative Action; which begins with the premise that minorities cannot advance based on merit and ends with the assumption that they are intellectually inferior.
And people are stepping all over each other to denounce a piece of bad taste political satire? All so they can claim the title of Most Outraged (on behalf of a minority)?
This faux outrage is racist. Obama can take care of himself.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:44:26pm |
re: #932 serious
Get the hell off my website.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:45:06pm |
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Patriot Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:47:18pm |
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Aye Pod Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:47:34pm |
A lot of turds on their way to the ocean tonight.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:49:13pm |
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formercorpsman Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:49:17pm |
re: #932 serious
The picture totally shreds any legitimate argument against Obama, the policies he stands for, and wishes to implement.
There are double standards too. That is just the way it is. That being said, just because the media depicts Condi Rice in racist cartoons does not give this a pass.
Period.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:50:25pm |
Just remember, the right wing doesn't have any racists in it... No, no, the only racists are the Lefties.
The righties are realists...
///
For the record, I hate left wing racists and I hate right wing racists. And also for the record thank you Charles for purging these punks.
| 945 |
Aye Pod Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:53:20pm |
re: #942 LudwigVanQuixote
And the bad righties who actually are racists are lefties./
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:54:47pm |
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RexMundi Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:04:18pm |
I think that it's a sad spectacle on both sides, and not just racism but the basic lack of respect for virtually all candidates and elected officials on either side. While I am glad someone busted this jerk, I do wish that more people, (again on both sides of the political spectrum,) would have their feet held to the fire for disrespecting others like this.
| 949 |
freetoken Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:11:40pm |
After skimming this thread... what I wonder is, what will happen once Stinky goes to bed?
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freetoken Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:17:34pm |
re: #933 anchors_aweigh
Liberals promote the most racist policy ever devised; Affirmative Action; which begins with the premise that minorities cannot advance based on merit and ends with the assumption that they are intellectually inferior.
Clue to the clueless out there: It was not just a mere premise that some minorities could not "advance", it was because there were very many cases where they could not, due to biases against them.
To insinuate that AA was instituted because of a belief of intellectual inferiority is just daft, and a projection of the original poster's own beliefs.
| 951 |
Sharmuta Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:18:15pm |
It's interesting this came to light today. The juxtaposition to Gates is stunning. We'll work ourselves up into a lather about that, but this picture...? Not so much.
Telling.
| 952 |
diminuendo Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:23:00pm |
Just for the record, that is not an African. As a polynesian myself I don't think being parodied as a polynesian witch doctor is racist to someone of African descent.
I do not find the image funny, but if the intent is to portray a witch doctor why does the race of the person being portrayed have anything to do with it? Perhaps if our president were from PNG...
| 953 |
MJ Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:32:54pm |
Least anyone think this site has never said anything about racial stereotypes previously, I draw your attention to this post from 2006:
Palestinian Racism Watch
Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 11:40:03 am PDT
As US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice visits the Middle East, Palestinian media is calling her a “black spinster” and a “colored dark skin lady.”
Such lovely people. Let’s give them a state!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 954 |
diminuendo Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:37:14pm |
I suppose it is easier to "neg" a post than it is to discuss...
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:51:20pm |
re: #952 diminuendo
Just for the record, that is not an African. As a polynesian myself I don't think being parodied as a polynesian witch doctor is racist to someone of African descent.
I do not find the image funny, but if the intent is to portray a witch doctor why does the race of the person being portrayed have anything to do with it? Perhaps if our president were from PNG...
It's a picture of a black man with a BONE THROUGH HIS FREAKING NOSE.
And now you're going through and dinging up the comments that defended this crap.
Get off my website.
| 956 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:55:04pm |
It's just a fact.. there is no way to include the current president and a witch doctor in the same context without it being a racial slur.
If the president were a Native American, and someone did the same thing with a picture of a medicine man, the result might not be as vehement, but it would still offend.
There must be some other way to convey the same thought... that Obama is acting as if he has medical knowledge when in fact, he has none... this is the idea that the cartoon was probaby meant to convey.
But it failed, and you have to think that the person who crafted it knew what he was doing, and that makes him a creep.
| 957 |
tradewind Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:58:05pm |
Ruh Roh...
Mutterings about the new Surgeon General's weight making her unqualified for the post...
Then network showed a (parody of ) BHO's pick for a new drug czar: Amy Winehouse.
Hilarious.
| 958 |
AFVetWife Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:05:04pm |
re: #72 Charles
Maybe they just cringed and deleted it?? Just sayin'.
| 959 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:07:07pm |
re: #951 Sharmuta
In fact, most of us are angry about BOTH incidents of ugly racism. What is curious is that a small number of racists, who rarely if ever comment, suddenly turn up for this thread, while a small number of regular posters were completely dissinterested in the Gates affair.
Now THAT is telling.
| 960 |
Silvergirl Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:10:14pm |
Somewhere in the thread is (or was) a statement that had to do with life in a post-racist color-blind society. The question asked, or the point being made was would the witch doctor satire be okay then? So I think what that was leading to is that we have to start somewhere, and maybe we shouldn't be so sensitive about that photo. Is that it?
We don't live in a color-blind world, and we're not going to get there by giving a pass to racist satire. Some things are way over the line. People need to take a stand when others who have a history of being targeted are shot at yet again. Misogyny, ageism, homophobia, and other forms of cruelty need to be stopped, right along with racism. Sarah Palin signs and t-shirts proclaiming c**t needed an objection. Comments about McCain needing Depends needed an objection. Our special needs kids need protection from name calling lame brains, and even if the POTUS uses them in an attempt at humor, he'll end up apologizing.
Don't even try to defend any of that stuff in the name of humor.
| 961 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:13:24pm |
re: #955 Charles
It's a picture of a black man with a BONE THROUGH HIS FREAKING NOSE.
And now you're going through and dinging up the comments that defended this crap.
Get off my website.
How many meltdowns has this thread seen?
| 962 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:13:33pm |
Compare the stats:
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Registered within 1 month of each other. Hmmm
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:20:27pm |
re: #875 Charles
If you're going to try to argue that there's a "legitimate point" somewhere in that disgusting racist image, that's exactly like saying that a little bit of shit doesn't ruin a glass of champagne.
You have it backwards Charles. It's like saying that a drop of champagne makes a glass of shit taste great. Any possible "point" in that cartoon is overwhelmed by the ugly racism.
| 964 |
Dom Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:25:39pm |
Righteous, Charles. Not that I'm especially worthy but as a longtime reader I'm proud.
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AFVetWife Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:42:33pm |
re: #277 Daria Emmons
I agree. At first, I must admit I found it a bit funny - Obama as a "doctor" of any type, ready to "treat" all of us. After reading many posts here, I do see the potential damage to the conservative cause with the perceived racism of the depiction. I also can't help but wonder why this Doctor would think Tea Party people would accept this. I bet many just deleted it with no reply.
| 966 |
oh_dude Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:43:18pm |
I agree that this was in very poor taste. Even if you don't consider it racist, why even go there?
On the flip side, can someone give me a an example of a picture that someone on the left could produce of say GW Bush, that could be considered racist? Just curious.
| 967 |
CaptainKid Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:54:43pm |
re: #6 Charles
You don't see what's bad about that?
Wow.
Here we have a president pushing a very controversial healthcare thing, portraying him as a witchdoctor has a point.
Had Clinton or Bush been the subject of this would you be posting the same thing? I don't like treating people differently because of the color of their skin... unless, I see no choice (a rare thing in my book).
This is not one of those cases. It is not.
| 968 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:57:08pm |
re: #965 AFVetWife
I agree. At first, I must admit I found it a bit funny - Obama as a "doctor" of any type, ready to "treat" all of us. After reading many posts here, I do see the potential damage to the conservative cause with the perceived racism of the depiction. I also can't help but wonder why this Doctor would think Tea Party people would accept this. I bet many just deleted it with no reply.
This is not "perceived racism." It's in-your-face racism.
And he sent it to a tea party mailing list because he felt it would be accepted there. Which it apparently was, because not a single person on that list blew the whistle.
| 970 |
mfarmer1 Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:07:53pm |
Racist? Maybe. On the positive side, at least he doesn't look equipped to remove your tonsils for no good reason.
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daria emmons Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:26:07pm |
re: #967 CaptainKid
Here we have a president pushing a very controversial healthcare thing, portraying him as a witchdoctor has a point.
Had Clinton or Bush been the subject of this would you be posting the same thing? I don't like treating people differently because of the color of their skin... unless, I see no choice (a rare thing in my book).
This is not one of those cases. It is not.
If Clinton/Bush were portrayed as witch doctors, that too would not be much better. The fact that it is Obama makes things worse.
Look, I don't get why so many people feel the need to defend this. It was at best stupid, at worst racist. Let's admit it, and move onto the next story. The world is falling apart and we will all be debt slaves soon enough. Yet we are squabbling over whether a picture of Obama with a bone in his nose is racist or not?
:(
| 972 |
AFVetWife Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:02pm |
re: #968 Charles
Wow - I see your point, and it's scary. The Tea Party people are not racists - they are just fed up with all the taxes, the stimulus, the socialized medicine, etc. But if no one called him out on this, they need to do some soul searching.
| 973 |
AFVetWife Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:41:50pm |
Hey everyone, it's late here in Cleveland. So it's time to check out. My office is in the flight path to CLE, but the winds today meant that AFOne did not come over us when it landed today. I always love seeing that plane, even if I'm not that enamored of its occupant. Hope to catch up with everyone soon. Blessings to all!
| 974 |
jharada Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:51:49pm |
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No, because like it or not, as long as people see color and put people in categories based on there color this picture we never be seen as Obama as a Witch Doctor.
The race baiter's and race hustlers have won.
People have been conditioned to have a knee jerk reaction to these things as long as it is not a white individual.
Whites and Christians are fare game and will be for some time to come.
We try so hard to show how non raciest we are by showing outrage to things like this and then we can say that we are not racist. When a sufficient answer to be to say, the picture is stupid or it sucks.
Obama was to be the post racial president. He is anything but post racial. I know from my own life that when you come for a bi-racial background that if you give preference to one side over the other you are in fact yourself being a racist.
Now if Obama does not identify himself as black then the racists are the ones that say he is black.
I am curious was it racist when people put Bush on Hitler's body, or any white individual on Hitler's body? If you get mad at this picture i would hope you had the same outrage for when they made Bush Hitler.
| 977 |
a5minmajor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:29:20pm |
A little late to the party here, but...
I don't wanna get all conspiracy-theory-ish, but are we really sure on the source of this thing? I know that there are some hardcore racists out there, but I find it hard to believe that someone with a) 'Doctor' in front of their name that b) stands so much to gain from passage of the current bill, would actually be so -Goddamned stupid- as to mail this to an entire group of people. (and NO ONE in the e-mail group complained?) I dunno...perhaps this ridiculous thing was planted, just so we could all concentrate on something other than the facts about the new health care plan. At least I hope so, otherwise...if it's genuine...I have one word for the author;
Seppuku.
Is there any way to track the source? (I'm not that internet-savvy)
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:30:26pm |
re: #977 a5minmajor
A little late to the party here, but...
I don't wanna get all conspiracy-theory-ish, but are we really sure on the source of this thing? I know that there are some hardcore racists out there, but I find it hard to believe that someone with a) 'Doctor' in front of their name that b) stands so much to gain from passage of the current bill, would actually be so -Goddamned stupid- as to mail this to an entire group of people. (and NO ONE in the e-mail group complained?) I dunno...perhaps this ridiculous thing was planted, just so we could all concentrate on something other than the facts about the new health care plan. At least I hope so, otherwise...if it's genuine...I have one word for the author;
Seppuku.
Is there any way to track the source? (I'm not that internet-savvy)
Oh for Pete's sake.
Follow the link and read the article. They called McKalip and he admitted it.
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a5minmajor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:39:33pm |
re: #978 Charles
I'm not sure what's worse...that a person who has that much 'education' thought this was o.k. in any form, ...or that not one recipient had a problem with this. Oh well...time to drink, I guess.
This is sad.
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a5minmajor Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:42:36pm |
Don't know what's worse, that someone with that much 'education' thought this was o.k. in any form...or that no one in the group that recieved it had a problem with it. oh well...like I said; Seppuku.
Nice goin' Doc.
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Ringo the Gringo Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:48:08pm |
Let me make this simple for those of you who are confused: Imagine if someone from Code Pink or Daily Kos sent an email to everyone on some Lefty email list which featured an image of Clarence Thomas dressed like a witch doctor with a bone through his nose. Do you think that conservative commentators would consider it to be legitimate parody, or would they be (rightfully) screaming racism?
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The False God Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:06:51pm |
It's not a racial stereotype. It's specifically comparing him to a witch doctor. Photoshopping his head on it is basically just accusing Obama of being for worthless methods of healing.
If it was him holding a watermelon slice in one hand and a piece of fried chicken in another, then that'd be racist.
This? Maybe it was intentionally meant to be racist, but it's eye-of-the-beholder, here. I didn't see it, to begin with. I was just taking the point that he's a quack believer in medicine, like a witch doctor.
Which he has demonstrated aptly.
| 983 |
funky chicken Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:16:03pm |
re: #981 Ringo the Gringo
How about Joe Lieberman in blackface? I remember lots of (appropriate) outrage over that.
Just because some idiot self-identifies as conservative doesn't mean conservatives should defend his actions if they are indefensible.
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IanMc Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:17:11pm |
How is this racist??? Maybe its in bad taste but this is pretty tame compared to all the "Bush = Hitler" crap the Left spewed. And don't forget all the actual racism the Left threw and still throws at Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice for failing to be liberal.
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funky chicken Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:17:55pm |
re: #978 Charles
Well, I admit it's hard to accept/believe that somebody who actually made it through med school and residency could be so absolutely, positively ignorant. It boggles the mind.
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funky chicken Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:18:35pm |
re: #984 IanMc
How is this racist??? Maybe its in bad taste but this is pretty tame compared to all the "Bush = Hitler" crap the Left spewed. And don't forget all the actual racism the Left threw and still throws at Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice for failing to be liberal.
Yay! Two wrongs make a right!
Damn, somebody call my mama, because she taught me wrong.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:25:44pm |
And the morons STILL keep on comin'.
People. The picture shows a black president with a BONE IN HIS NOSE. Are you insane, to try to make excuses for this?
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The False God Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:31:19pm |
re: #987 Charles
I'm just saying the first thing that came to mind wasn't "THEY ARE MAKING FUN OF HIM BEING NEGRO," but rather "THEY ARE MAKING FUN OF HIM FOR BEING A QUACK ABOUT MEDICINE."
I'm merely speaking for myself. It could've been created with the intent to be obviously racist. Maybe I am just not obviously racist. Not making excuses for it, just saying that I don't see the severity that others are seeing, especially when I've been exposed to overtly racist stuff from the far left and far right for a while. This is positively tame in comparison.
Is it in good taste? Probably not.
But neither would it be in good taste to make a comic about him giving mad birth to the Frankenstein healthcare monster, either. I'd laugh, though.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:31:30pm |
re: #987 Charles
And the morons STILL keep on comin'.
People. The picture shows a black president with a BONE IN HIS NOSE. Are you insane, to try to make excuses for this?
Bad Craziness at it worst. Morons so fixed on attacking Obama they destroy themselves trying.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:33:49pm |
re: #988 The False God
It's utterly without taste and utterly without merit. Making excuses for it is very foolish.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:38:39pm |
re: #729 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Gov. Patrick: Arrest 'every black man’s nightmare'
Utter and complete bullshit. If a cop shows up at my house for any reason and I start giving him shit, odds are I'm going to end up in cuffs. That doesn't matter if you white, black, asian or hispanic.
True, but I suspect that the real issue here is that enough black men have been through unpleasant and embarassing encounters where they were being unfairly 'profiled' that it's hard for them to see this dumbass incident except through that lens.
Doesn't make it fair or rational, just sayin'. I think that's what's coming up here.
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dapperdave Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:40:11pm |
They could of used a different photo and gotten their point across with a much better outcome, I don't think these guys are doing anything for their cause except destroying it.
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The Other Les Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:40:15pm |
re: #987 Charles
And the morons STILL keep on comin'.
People. The picture shows a black president with a BONE IN HIS NOSE. Are you insane, to try to make excuses for this?
This image is the kind of excrement that gives the appearance of credibility to raving leftists like Garafalo.
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The False God Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:41:20pm |
re: #992 SanFranciscoZionist
It should read "Gov. Patrick: Arrest 'every man’s nightmare'"
Because every time I see the popo, I have to stop and think if I'm doing something wrong, because I really don't ever want to come even close to ending up in jail.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:42:27pm |
re: #991 The False God
Did you just not read anything I said? Or am I not allowed to have a personal opinion about what my own lyin' eyes see?
I said it wasn't particularly tasteful, but a lot of comedy isn't. In the proper context, that would be funny as hell. Not looking at it in a "HE'S A NEGRO MAN! THAT'S FUNNY!" way, just in the "Can't make up the shit he's saying about his own healthcare plan, and he actually believes it." way.
I'm coming in at the tail end of this conversation, but I have to ask--are you seventy-five, or a time traveller? "Negro" is so old-school that I have to convince my high-school students when we find it in books that it's not a slur.
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The False God Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:44:15pm |
re: #996 SanFranciscoZionist
What? Really? People don't know the word?
That doesn't surprise me. A kid in high school didn't know who the SS were in a conversation I had with them on who REAL racists were.
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leereyno Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:53:27pm |
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Obama is black.
Get over it.
This picture is perfectly appropriate. The fact that his race contributes to its effectiveness as satire does not make it a negative statement about Obama as a black man or black people in general.
Talking about race and using race in satire is NOT an endorsement of racial hatred.
To pretend otherwise is to suggest that blacks and other racial and ethnic groups are endangered species in need of special protection from reminders of their superficial differences.
Were Obama a white man with red hair then dressing him up to look like Carrot Top or Ronald McDonald would be perfectly appropriate. This image is no less appropriate.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:55:05pm |
re: #991 The False God
You can have your own opinion, I'm free to say its wrong. No context could make that picture funny. To even think its funny is to fail to understand the history of race in this nation.
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ArchangelMichael Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:58:26pm |
re: #1000 Dark_Falcon
Enjoy the ban stick, troll boy.
I peeked back over here just out of morbid curiousity and all I can say to people is "You have got to be fucking kidding me".
Was there some kind of "action alert" sent out to Trolls to go out and defend the indefensible?
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ShanghaiEd Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:03:37pm |
re: #807 Honorary Yooper
This thread has been a very interesting read.
1. You have those who, for some reason, are trying to defend the image. Folks, no matter what you think of Obama, this image is indefensible. It is wrong on many levels, and yes, race is one of them.
2. You have a few who are using it as a bludgeon to label all on the right as racists who are OK with it. That's also wrong, as I see quite a few here who are on the right and rightly criticizing the image as racist and wrong.
The image is terrible, and I applaud those who are standing up and saying it is wrong. We need more of this from both the right and the left, not just one or the other. It cannot be politicized as have similar images in the past. They are wrong, period, full stop.
Yooper: I've read this whole thread, and I don't recall anyone "labeling all on the right as racists..." Who said this?
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psyop Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:05:56pm |
Well, Charles...
At least this lets you do some housecleaning...
yeesh
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:12:26pm |
re: #1002 Charles
Un-freaking-real.
Seems you found a honeypot with which to draw in all of the batshit-crazies and socks for the slaughter...Nevergiveup is the only one I feel bad about being given the stick, but they made their own bed in regards to this issue and now they have to lie in it. Like the man says, "You pays your money and you takes your chances."
/I don't envy your and Stinky's job tonight...
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Lee Coller Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:16:53pm |
re: #1004 psyop
Well, Charles...
At least this lets you do some housecleaning...
yeesh
I think he'd rather the house didn't get dirty in the first place.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:19:09pm |
Holy shit, dude. I can't believe the amount of "tone deaf" commenters there are on this thread. Down right baffling.
Charles, you have my sympathy for having to deal with this crap, and my utmost respect for how you are handling this.
Cheers!
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Wendya Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:45:59pm |
re: #998 leereyno
Were Obama a white man with red hair then dressing him up to look like Carrot Top or Ronald McDonald would be perfectly appropriate. This image is no less appropriate.
White men as a group, were never enslaved and considered property because of their color. 500 years from now it might not be an issue but it is today. Just as it's not acceptable to draw caricatures of Jewish people with hooked noses, it's not acceptable to draw or photoshop the same type of caricatures of black people. Those types of images were used as justification for slavery and murder.
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JHW Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:55:40pm |
Just skimmed thru the thread, I'll read it in full tomorrow, but I'm astounded that some people don't see this as racist. My wife is Native and I'd damn sure figure out what is beyond the pale in caricatures, this particular one was meant to evoke certain mental images and kind of reminds me of Der Sturmer. Inexcusable.
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hinduzionkafir Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:21:39am |
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Whats so racist about it? It just shows Obama as a witch doctor, merely implying the kind of health care we can expect once the commissars enact their health care "reform". Sensitive much?
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Sacred Plants Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:22:56am |
re: #1013 freetoken
So what did you reply to that, son?
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lurking faith Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:29:25am |
I can't imagine what kind of insulated bubble world a person would have to have lived in, in order not to understand the effect of this picture.
Words fail me.
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Kenneth Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:55:41am |
re: #1008 Wendya
White men as a group, were never enslaved and considered property because of their color.
That is inaccurate. Whole European nations were subjected to slavery by various other nations. The Romans enslaved Britains, Gauls and others. The Vikings enslaved the victims of their pillaging raids. The Greeks enslaved the Slavs, hence their name. The Turks enslaved the white people from the various nations of eastern Europe and the Caucasus. Barbary coast pirates captured and sold into slavery any Europeans they could get their hands on.
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hellosnackbar Fri, Jul 24, 2009 7:00:13am |
Re#603 Daddy G,
What are Mom Jeans?
Mitochondrial DNA.
Logged on to give you an upding.
The Obama characature? puerile and peevish;and unbecoming of a professional.
No wonder BHO can carry on with his misdeeds if the opposition is
anchored at this base level.
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gregb Fri, Jul 24, 2009 7:17:06am |
re: #981 Ringo the Gringo
I think of Obama as a Collectivist Liberal first and hardly, if ever, as a black President. As are most Presidents, he doesn't have any relevance to my daily life other than the fact that he's a cheerleader for policies that go against some of my core beliefs.
If Kos or Pink sent a picture like that--well, it wouldn't be as shocking as that's what I'd expect of them as they see everything as race first.
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American Sabra Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:09:12am |
Funny how the Right is always saying how racist the Left is. Then I read the first 200-300 posts above and can pick out at least a dozen racist comments or comments agreeing that the pic isn't so bad. Then there are others that are trying to fly under the radar so as not to get banned, dinged down or deleted.
Meanwhile, over at the KOS, you won't find anyone saying this picture is not racist. The main argument seems to be whether or not the majority of doctors who are AMA members also vote Republican (are GOP members).
How curious it all is.
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Ringo the Gringo Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:23:26am |
1019 American Sabra
How curious it all is.
It's not all that curious. Many people are simply blinded by their ideologies and / or their hatreds.
The opposite was true back when political cartoons portrayed Codoleezza Rice as a big-lipped parrot or as a Southern mammy and Left-leanig blogs were insisting that it wasn't racist, while right-leaning bloggers were rightfully attacking them.
The stupid seems to run both ways depending upon who's being attacked.
Sad and pathetic; yes...curious; not really.
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American Sabra Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:34:34am |
re: #1020 Ringo the Gringo
1019 American Sabra
It's not all that curious. Many people are simply blinded by their ideologies and / or their hatreds.
The opposite was true back when political cartoons portrayed Codoleezza Rice as a big-lipped parrot or as a Southern mammy and Left-leanig blogs were insisting that it wasn't racist, while right-leaning bloggers were rightfully attacking them.
The stupid seems to run both ways depending upon who's being attacked.
Sad and pathetic; yes...curious; not really.
Well, I don't agree with you. I'd like to see which Left leaning websites said the Mammy cartoon is NOT racist. That's clearly over the top. I'm pretty sensitive to these things myself, but I don't see the parrot one as being racist. I think it's unkind to her. I actually liked Condi a great deal even when I didn't agree with her.
The racism on the Right towards Obama is absolutely disproportionate to the racism on the Left towards Condi.
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Ringo the Gringo Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:53:52am |
American Sabra,
The racism on the Right towards Obama is absolutely disproportionate to the racism on the Left towards Condi.
You may be right, I'm not sure. When racism appears on the right, it's usually identified as such by both the left and by clear thinking people on the right. Where as racism on the left usually appears in the form of condescension, patronizing attitudes or lower expectations. These things are more difficult to point out, especially since many on the left see their own racism as a virtue born of compassion...Not to mention what is commonly called reverse racism.
Thankfully, racist attitudes as a whole have subsided drastically over the past two generations in America. The election Of President Obama is a testament to that.
| 1023 |
Ringo the Gringo Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:04:56am |
American Sabra,
The racism on the Right towards Obama is absolutely disproportionate to the racism on the Left towards Condi.
Actually, that statement is true. You're right.
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The Wizard Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:20:04am |
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Frankly, I think the photo captures the essence of Obamacare...all hype and lies - VOODOO magic that isn't going to cost the tax payers a dime!
And for the record, Obama is a racist.
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Ringo the Gringo Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:26:16am |
| 1028 |
American Sabra Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:27:06am |
Ringo:
It's a funny thing. I'd be curious to see a survey or a poll, but I tend not to believe such things so I'm not sure how to measure it all. I suppose much of this is colored by our own personal experiences.
I never saw those cartoons before. Where the hell was I? But I'll retract my statement. The Parrot one is borderline. He didn't have to draw her lips like that, but I can see how the "parrot" moniker would fit her. (Despite the fact that any SoS can be called such a thing, no?)
Part of the reason I like Dr. Rice is that she's Black AND a woman. Is that reverse racism and sexism? It's not easy for anyone of double minority status to accomplish the things she has, particularly a Black woman holding one of the top... oh say 5 jobs in this country.
| 1029 |
Ringo the Gringo Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:27:37am |
"Take away hatred from some people, and you have men without faith."
~ Eric Hoffer
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happycamper Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:28:08am |
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re: #1010 hinduzionkafir
Whats so racist about it? It just shows Obama as a witch doctor, merely implying the kind of health care we can expect once the commissars enact their health care "reform". Sensitive much?
If Obama was white the photo would imply exactly that, and nobody would think it as racist. But the message was lost because of Obama's complextion, and because of his complextion it's wrong to portray him as a witchdoctor and therefore racist. If Obama were a little more white it would be less racist to some people, and if he were a little more black it would be more racist to others. But becasue he's equal amounts of both many people get confused as to whether they should be offended or not.
It's a complicated world we live in where it's acceptable for us as a society to have a Black Entertainment Network or a Black Congressional Caucus and they not be considered racist organizations.
If people think the photo is racist and/or offensive - that's fine. They're entitled to their opinions. And if people don't think the same, well that's OK too. But be very careful when sharing your thoughts or opinions on what you think is racist and what's not. Because if you say anything contrary to the prevailing wisdom you will be called names or worse, a racist. Because racism is wrong - but calling people racist is not.
Like I said, it's a complicated world we live in.
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American Sabra Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:36:45am |
re: #1030 happycamper
If Obama was white the photo would imply exactly that, and nobody would think it as racist...
Oh Moses smell the roses! If Obama was white, the joke would never have been done this way to begin with? Don't you get that? Not all that complicated really.
| 1033 |
Ringo the Gringo Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:36:57am |
American Sabra,
"I never saw those cartoons before"
There were more cartoons like that. Oliphant did a few more of Condi as the big-lipped parrot. And The Gaurdian published some really crazy ones of Condi as a house slave.
What constitutes "racism" can be complicated at times, but not in the case of the picture at the top of this thread.
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American Sabra Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:39:31am |
re: #1026 Charles
And they're still coming.
I like the Editor's Note. You should do that more often.
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Ringo the Gringo Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:45:52am |
Here's a good example of just how complex the issue of race (and political parody) can be: In 1996 Emerge (a black American magazine) published this picture of Clarence Thomas on their cover.
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Wendya Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:14:57am |
re: #1016 Kenneth
That is inaccurate. Whole European nations were subjected to slavery by various other nations. The Romans enslaved Britains, Gauls and others. The Vikings enslaved the victims of their pillaging raids. The Greeks enslaved the Slavs, hence their name. The Turks enslaved the white people from the various nations of eastern Europe and the Caucasus. Barbary coast pirates captured and sold into slavery any Europeans they could get their hands on.
Did the Romans enslave the Brits because they were Caucasian? Slavery was generally the accepted end result of a conquered people.
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arf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:51:05am |
American Sabra Oh Moses smell the roses! If Obama was white, the joke would never have been done this way to begin with?
That’s just not true. When Hillary tried to mess with health care, the “witch doctor” cartoon was used as well.
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American Sabra Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:55:11am |
re: #1035 Ringo the Gringo
Here's a good example of just how complex the issue of race (and political parody) can be: In 1996 Emerge (a black American magazine) published this picture of Clarence Thomas on their cover.
Complex it is.
I'm trying to think of how I would make an Uncle Tom type cartoon of Finkelstein and Chomsky and if you all would get upset with me if I did :) I don't think you would, but wouldn't it be the same thing?
Sometimes racism is about the imagery or the statement and sometimes which mouth it's coming out of makes a world of difference. (Does not apply to Voodoo Obama which is blatantly racist in my book.)
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American Sabra Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:56:17am |
re: #1037 arf
Really? And where did you see that one?
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The False God Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:00:09am |
Well, I've gotten voted down for just having the reaction that I didn't see it as racist, to begin with. I usually don't have an issue with anything Charles says as a whole, but I just don't see the vileness in approaching this that you saw it as a dig at him being quacky about medicine like a witch doctor, instead of it being about him being black.
Maybe others won't agree with me, but that's fine. I'm quite content with my dealings with people of different skin colors, and have lived around blacks, Asians, and Hispanics all my life. First and foremost, we're all Americans, not "insert origin here"-American, in my viewpoint, so I never felt a racial divide growing up.
But I've also been exposed to raunchy comedy, too, so maybe I am desensitized.
It kind of hurts, though, to be thrown in with the "YOU'RE JUST A RACIST" crowd because I don't share the same thoughts about this. This isn't an immediate reaction to differences of opinion that I've come to expect on LGF.
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arf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:07:43am |
Were you around for the early 1990’s when Hillary took her shot at “reforming” healthcare?
The cartoonists took their shots at her. That’s their job. Hillary pictured as doctor, and sometimes witch doctor. Heck, as witch for that matter.
There’s a contemporary political cartoon of Lincoln looking pretty similar to this picture, trampling on the Constitution. Ape cartoons of him were common.
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American Sabra Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:12:44am |
re: #1041 arf
Were you around for the early 1990’s when Hillary took her shot at “reforming” healthcare?
The cartoonists took their shots at her. That’s their job. Hillary pictured as doctor, and sometimes witch doctor. Heck, as witch for that matter.
There’s a contemporary political cartoon of Lincoln looking pretty similar to this picture, trampling on the Constitution. Ape cartoons of him were common.
Not sure why I'm arguing this, but no, there were no pictures of Hillary as a witchdoctor and if you could possibly dig one up, it wouldn't be racist. I'm 47.
A white man depicted as an ape or a monkey is not the same thing as a black man and I'm not explaining it to you. Go ask a black man about it.
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Daria Emmons Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:16:36am |
re: #1036 Wendya
Did the Romans enslave the Brits because they were Caucasian? Slavery was generally the accepted end result of a conquered people.
The Barbary pirates of the late 1700s/early 1800s enslaved white people because they were white. There were hundreds of American white slaves, enslaved in North Africa at one point. And many more European white slaves.
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Daria Emmons Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:17:59am |
re: #1043 Daria Emmons
The Barbary pirates of the late 1700s/early 1800s enslaved white people because they were white. There were hundreds of American white slaves, enslaved in North Africa at one point. And many more European white slaves.
Actually I will amend and say that thousands of white people were enslaved by Barbary pirates, but I believe that was done for ransom and bribery.
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American Sabra Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:26:09am |
re: #1043 Daria Emmons
The Barbary pirates of the late 1700s/early 1800s enslaved white people because they were white. There were hundreds of American white slaves, enslaved in North Africa at one point. And many more European white slaves.
The enslavement of Blacks and American Indians in this country were probably more about 1) them being heathens and 2) the Europeans had better weapons than it being a color/racial difference. It became a racial issue here afterwards.
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arf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:55:15am |
I don’t know why you’re arguing either.
A major politician proposing major changes in healthcare, a large part of the US economy. Let’s see. You’re a political cartoonist. Health care. Politician. Doctor. Witch doctor. No, I can’t imaging any cartoonist would even think of playing that old joke.
I don’t feel like searching cartoon archives for you. She was depicted as a witch doctor at the time by cartoonists for the opposition. She was depicted as a doctor, a witch doctor……as a witch for that matter.
Muslim countries enslaved non-Muslims because their religion allowed it. Non-Muslims could be enslaved if they did not convert. The Barbary pirates went as far as Iceland.
Of course, at its base, people enslaved, because they could. Religion, race, that was the excuse. Mauritania outlawed slavery……at least on paper……in 1983 as I recall.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:08:37pm |
And people are STILL showing up to make excuses for this ugly racist image.
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arf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:57:01pm |
It’s ugly and in poor taste. I don’t support it, because it puts the right on the level with the left, which did orders of magnitude worse with Bush.
But the question was “would someone do a cartoon of a white politician as a witch doctor” and the answer is yes, it was done to Hillary by cartoonists working for the opposition. That’s not much of a stretch for a cartoonist for Pity’s sake. Hillary as doctor, Hillary as witch doctor, Hillary as witch for that matter. The cartoons of Obama as doctor snapping on the gloves, prepared to give the USA a rectal probe has been done already.
Horsey (Seattle Post-Intelligencer) gave Mugabe the witch doctor treatment, back when the dead-tree newspaper was still in print.
[Link: www.seattlepi.com...]
Was that racist? Maybe. I know, who cares about Mugabe.
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RexMundi Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:18:31pm |
re: #986 funky chicken
Yay! Two wrongs make a right!
Damn, somebody call my mama, because she taught me wrong.
Exactly. I personally disagreed with a lot of President George W. Bush's policies. I disliked his eagerness to mix religion with politics as well. But I found myself constantly defending him against the most ludicrous and over-the-top hatred from the Left during his entire presidency. The whole "Bushitler" crap, the "Chimp" references, all of it. The Left's cuckoo side came out of the woodwork ever since the 2000 election and they thought that he was "fair game for anything."
But all of that was wrong, just as this stupid Obamacare picture is wrong. Just as the whole "I want to see the President fail" crap is wrong. I wish there was a bit more respect and civility in politics instead of this viciousness. All political sides are disgusting to me now.
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RexMundi Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:27:51pm |
re: #1041 arf
Were you around for the early 1990’s when Hillary took her shot at “reforming” healthcare?
The cartoonists took their shots at her. That’s their job. Hillary pictured as doctor, and sometimes witch doctor. Heck, as witch for that matter.
There’s a contemporary political cartoon of Lincoln looking pretty similar to this picture, trampling on the Constitution. Ape cartoons of him were common.
Do you ever wonder why lawyers have to resort to "yes or no" questions when someone is put on the stand?
"Sir, do you think this picture of President Obama is racist?"
"Well...cartoonists used to take shots at Hillary where they made her look like a witch docto..."
"Your honor I would ask you to direct the witness to answer my question please. Sir, do you think that this picture of President Obama is racist?"
"Um...well but hey you know they used to make 'ape' political cartoons of Lincoln and..."
"Yes or no, sir...do you think that this picture of President Obama is racist?"
The facts of the picture being racist or not have nothing to do with past and prior racism by anyone to anyone else. Stick to the topic at hand. Is the picture of President Obama racist or is it not? If not, please explain why not? Thank you.
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Dekar Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:03:01pm |
I can't bother to see if it was mentioned in this thread but the whole point is not to lower ourselves to the vile stuff that the Left used in the past. We're better than that.
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arf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:15:00pm |
Wow, I’m on trial.
OK Perry Mason, I guess my answer is a cartoon (or Photoshopped picture) cannot be racist.
People are racist.
The cartoon is vulgar, in bad taste, etc., I’ve already stipulated.
The question I answered had to do with whether a similar caricature was done with white politicians and the answer remains yes. That does not make this right.
Is the neurosurgeon racist? I don’t know the guy. I doubt he would approve of a similar depiction of Clarence Thomas. I would suspect a racist would not want a black President regardless of political leaning. I suspect he would have supported Alan Keyes for President. Was Horsey, coming from the left, racist for depicting Mugabe as a witch doctor?
Personally, I don’t like the picture. If it were sent to me, I’d delete without comment. I don’t like for the reason others have pointed out, two wrongs don’t make a right. The left did orders of magnitude worse with Bush and Cheney. Up to and including depictions of assassination. That doesn’t make this right.
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erevu Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:17:19pm |
I have an honest question. Let's pretend that, instead of Obama, our president was a white leftist intent on socializing the US medical industry. Would photoshopping his head to a picture like this...
...be considered racist? Would the outrage be so palpable?
If not, I'm curious what the reasoning is. Would it be simply because it's politically incorrect to play off the skin color of a non-white when engaged in satire?
| 1054 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:46:00pm |
re: #1053 erevu
Just go away. I've had it up to here with these apologies for racism.
| 1055 |
oldbluesboy Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:51:46pm |
Racism is not illegal. If it were, Sharpton, Jackson, Rangel, Farrakhan, Rev. Wright, Jim Clyburn, John Lewis, Julian Bond, and Obama should be the first to be prosecuted.
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RexMundi Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:04:27pm |
re: #1052 arf
Wow, I’m on trial.
OK Perry Mason, I guess my answer is a cartoon (or Photoshopped picture) cannot be racist.
People are racist.
The cartoon is vulgar, in bad taste, etc., I’ve already stipulated.
The question I answered had to do with whether a similar caricature was done with white politicians and the answer remains yes. That does not make this right.
Is the neurosurgeon racist? I don’t know the guy. I doubt he would approve of a similar depiction of Clarence Thomas. I would suspect a racist would not want a black President regardless of political leaning. I suspect he would have supported Alan Keyes for President. Was Horsey, coming from the left, racist for depicting Mugabe as a witch doctor?
Personally, I don’t like the picture. If it were sent to me, I’d delete without comment. I don’t like for the reason others have pointed out, two wrongs don’t make a right. The left did orders of magnitude worse with Bush and Cheney. Up to and including depictions of assassination. That doesn’t make this right.
You don't get it, do you.
The picture is racist. It's not a matter of the intentions of the person who made it. The picture in and of itself is racist...and nothing outside of the picture in and of itself matters--there are no 'extenuating circumstances' that absolve the person who did it, there is no 'interpretation of intent' that changes that fact, either. That's why lawyers have to resort to "yes or no?" answers on the stand--because a witness is not allowed to interject their own interpretation of the facts--because facts are objective. What you're doing is trying to water it down, use some sort of "yeah but, but, there are other things out there that weren't considered racist that the mean people on the other side did and and and..." You don't want to acknowledge that the picture is racist, for whatever your reasons. I say you couldn't be more wrong.
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dapperdave Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:39:49pm |
they're coming out of the woodwork tonight.
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Sacred Plants Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:26:20am |
"They used my picture to heal their politicians and all I got is this lousy T-shirt."
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Salamantis Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:59:43pm |
re: #904 wahabicorridor
I've spent a bit of time thinking about this.
I have no insight into McKalip's intent or into the moron that thought the photoshop was a good idea.
Is it racist, is it from the right, blah blah blah.
Here, IMHO, is what it comes down to for me.
It dehumanizes Barack Obama.
I despise the man's policies. I think he is a liar and a stealth president and all the rest. If that man gave a speech that assured me the sun rises in the east, the very least I would do would be to get up early in the morning and double-check.
This photo made another human being an object of ridicule. Not his policies. Him.
So, when push comes to shove, how lame is this really? How involved in your own cleverness do you have to be to completely ignore the substance of the policies and denigrate the humanity of Barack Obama.
Because whether the intent was racial or not - the impetus was dehumanization. And it was dehumanization in the most repugnant of memes. The meme of the primitive
We've seen this before.
In the cause of human health care no less.
Where the fuck do I hurl?
What an absolute crock.
This reminds me of the regrettable episode in William F. Buckley's career when, during a debate with the insufferable Gore Vidal, Buckley responded to one of Vidal's fascist gibes by calling him a queer.
Later, Robert Redford went and had a talk with Bill about it (although liberal himself, he respected Buckley much, and went in the spirit of helping him out).
Buckley protested, "But Bob, I was being personally attacked by him and simply responded in kind."
To which Redford replied, "No, Bill, he mischaracterized your political positions, and you replied by attacking what he was born as; there is a big difference."
Bill Buckley saw Bob Redford's point, issued a public apology, and regretted his mistake for the rest of his life.
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Salamantis Sat, Jul 25, 2009 5:50:28pm |
re: #1052 arf
Wow, I’m on trial.
OK Perry Mason, I guess my answer is a cartoon (or Photoshopped picture) cannot be racist.
People are racist.
The cartoon is vulgar, in bad taste, etc., I’ve already stipulated.
The question I answered had to do with whether a similar caricature was done with white politicians and the answer remains yes. That does not make this right.
Is the neurosurgeon racist? I don’t know the guy. I doubt he would approve of a similar depiction of Clarence Thomas. I would suspect a racist would not want a black President regardless of political leaning. I suspect he would have supported Alan Keyes for President. Was Horsey, coming from the left, racist for depicting Mugabe as a witch doctor?
Personally, I don’t like the picture. If it were sent to me, I’d delete without comment. I don’t like for the reason others have pointed out, two wrongs don’t make a right. The left did orders of magnitude worse with Bush and Cheney. Up to and including depictions of assassination. That doesn’t make this right.
The cartoon is indeed horrifically racist, because it was intentionally designed to slag someone by appealing to the racist views that many people of races other than the slaggee's hold against members of the slaggee's racial group, by employing an ubiquitous and readily recognizeable racial stereotype. And what is, if possible, even worse, it racially caricaturized a person for advocating a political position, however flawed it may be, on an issue (health care) that has nothing whatsoever to do with race - either the slagged person's, or anyone else's.
It is particularly telling that the ungood doctor would assume that such a cartoon would be acceptable to Tea Partiers; it is disappointing and dismaying that it apparently was quite palatable to them, judging by their lack of objection to it - and even the support that it has received from some of them.
What I find nauseating and distressing in the extreme is the support that the cartoon has even received right here on LGF.
I have been laboring under the delusion that Lizards, as a group, were better than that. I am horrified to discover that so many of them aren't.
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