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1 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:08:08pm

aah, fresh air

2 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:08:12pm

Oh, it feels good to be out of that thread.

3 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:08:22pm

Ahh. A fresh, clean new thread.

4 Racer X  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:08:26pm

Open Thread.

Take it. It's yours.

5 Syrah  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:08:34pm

Keep cool heads people.

6 WinterCat  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:09:03pm

I guess I am not the only one who felt that way. That was just ugly.

7 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:09:36pm

He reached for a cigarette for the instant's illusion of purposeful action.

8 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:09:49pm

Pull my finger!
;-)

9 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:09:54pm

95 degrees and no breeze and Syrah says to keep cool heads?

10 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:09:56pm

"Yes...yes. This is a fertile land, and we will thrive. We will rule over all this land, and we will call it...this land."

11 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:10:22pm

re: #5 Syrah

Keep cool heads people.

Yeah, I just got my knickers un-twisted again.

12 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:11:01pm

anobody else get the stick ?

13 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:11:09pm

re: #11 MandyManners

Yeah, I just got my knickers un-twisted again.

But they're still up, right?

14 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:11:21pm

re: #11 MandyManners

Yeah, I just got my knickers un-twisted again.

I hope that you took them off first.
;-0

15 Bloodnok  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:11:26pm

re: #6 WinterCat

I guess I am not the only one who felt that way. That was just ugly.

I hope it doesn't get worse, but the real crazies tend to show up once a new thread is up.

16 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:12:07pm

re: #15 Bloodnok

I hope it doesn't get worse, but the real crazies tend to show up once a new thread is up.

welcome!

/ just kidding

17 DEZes  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:12:08pm

What a tragic mess I just ran away from.
Foul thread.
That and some poor soul wanted to save my soul at the door if I would give a donation.

18 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:12:11pm

re: #12 Shug

anobody else get the stick ?

I haven't been on in a while; moving the family across the country does that to you. Anyone of note in the last month get the boot or are we still a happy band of merry lizards?

19 Syrah  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:12:29pm

Hmmm.

Twisted-knickers . . .

Sounds like a fun name for a rock band.

20 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:12:37pm

re: #13 EmmmieG

But they're still up, right?

I'd be crazy to answer any other way but "yes".

21 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:12:51pm

re: #14 Truck Monkey

I hope that you took them off first.
;-0

No need to.

22 Bloodnok  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:12:57pm

re: #16 Shug

welcome!

/ just kidding

Ha!

23 DEZes  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:13:00pm

re: #11 MandyManners

Yeah, I just got my knickers un-twisted again.

Are they on the ground is the important question.
*Runs like hell*

24 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:13:01pm

Whew, dragged my ass through that last one just to see what was going on. :p

/sooo, how about them Jays?

25 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:13:01pm

re: #20 MandyManners

I'd be crazy to answer any other way but "yes".

That would kind of hijack the thread, wouldn't it?

26 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:13:22pm

Dr. Pamela Gay is in china on her way home..She flew there for the Eclipse and took a Tour boat to witness the whole thing and record it for her blog..and students...Will have an update soon

27 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:13:58pm

re: #10 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Yes...yes. This is a fertile land, and we will thrive. We will rule over all this land, and we will call it...this land."


this land is your land
this land is my land
Where are the fences

28 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:14:00pm

*sigh*

29 DEZes  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:14:29pm

re: #28 MandyManners

*sigh*

Have a cookie.

30 yochanan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:14:58pm
31 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:15:19pm

re: #27 Eowyn2

this land is your land
this land is my land
Where are the fences

We had a version when we were kids that said, "this land is my land, this land ain't your land, I'll shoot your ass off if you don't get off" and it ended with "this land is private property". We scandalized the neighbors with it.

32 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:15:45pm

re: #29 DEZes

Have a cookie.

*perks*

33 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:15:56pm

Didn't dig too deep in the last thread. It's too bad that a long time poster got whacked. What is the general idea of what he/she said?

34 Flyovercountry  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:16:02pm

In defense of the last thread, there were plenty of people defending sanity. Always look on the bright side of life. And yes, I'm begging for the youtube of Monty Python.

35 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:16:05pm

re: #28 MandyManners

*sigh*

not even a "heavy sigh"

36 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:16:22pm

To bring this thread good luck, I hereby grace it with a picture of Lucy Lawless in a bikini. May it bring you as much joy as it has brought me.

37 LGoPs  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:16:43pm

re: #33 Truck Monkey

Didn't dig too deep in the last thread. It's too bad that a long time poster got whacked. What is the general idea of what he/she said?

Don't know. They got zapped faster than I could read.

38 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:17:00pm

re: #34 Flyovercountry

In defense of the last thread, there were plenty of people defending sanity. Always look on the bright side of life. And yes, I'm begging for the youtube of Monty Python.

Its tough to decide which I liked better, Brian or Holy Grail.

39 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:17:08pm

re: #33 Truck Monkey

Didn't dig too deep in the last thread. It's too bad that a long time poster got whacked. What is the general idea of what he/she said?

That person was warned very clearly to stop sniping at Killgore Trout.

40 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:17:09pm

re: #18 Jetpilot1101

nevergiveup got blocked in the last thread.
lots of bad stuff over there. I was expecting more accounts going bye bye.

41 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:17:13pm

This land is my land, this land is your land,
It looks like one of us, has a forged deed to this land...

PJ O'Rourke

42 LGoPs  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:17:15pm

re: #36 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

To bring this thread good luck, I hereby grace it with a picture of Lucy Lawless in a bikini. May it bring you as much joy as it has brought me.

That brings back fond mammaries...

43 Bobblehead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:17:26pm

re: #34 Flyovercountry

In defense of the last thread, there were plenty of people defending sanity. Always look on the bright side of life. And yes, I'm begging for the youtube of Monty Python.

You got it.

44 yochanan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:17:28pm

PERFECT GAME & A GRAND SLAM
and now the chicago white sox are tied for first place

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

too bad I am on the wagon raises a vertual beer high.

45 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:17:54pm

re: #32 MandyManners

*perks*

I find ice cream and fresh fruit covers a multitude of sins...
/Flowers can sometimes save the world...

46 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:18:02pm

re: #31 MandyManners

We had a version when we were kids that said, "this land is my land, this land ain't your land, I'll shoot your ass off if you don't get off" and it ended with "this land is private property". We scandalized the neighbors with it.

This land is my land
It is not your land
If you don't get off
I'll blow your head off
I've got a shotgun and it is lo-oaded
This land was made for me alone.

/Not advocating violence, I promise.

47 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:18:02pm

re: #31 MandyManners

We had a version when we were kids that said, "this land is my land, this land ain't your land, I'll shoot your ass off if you don't get off" and it ended with "this land is private property". We scandalized the neighbors with it.


Ah yes, infamous neighborhood rock fights. I remember them well.

48 DEZes  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:19:12pm

re: #45 HoosierHoops

I find ice cream and fresh fruit covers a multitude of sins...
/Flowers can sometimes save the world...

Have a daisy.
Hiya hoops.

49 The Other Les  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:19:20pm

Quote of the Day:

"Nothing will come out of your mind because you have put nothing into it."

-- Ayn Rand, Writing And the Subconscious.

50 yochanan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:19:49pm

i think the whole last thread should be sent down the memory hole fast.

51 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:19:57pm

Going to dinner! Have a great evening, Lizards!

52 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:20:25pm

re: #39 Charles

That person was warned very clearly to stop sniping at Killgore Trout.

Ok. Nuff said. As Saint Rodney King once said: "Can't we all get along?" The picture on the last thread BTW is very clearly racist. There is no parallel photoshop you could do of a white guy that would be equally offensive. Not funny and certainly not necessary. You can disagree with the man but there is no reason to resort to that sort of rubbish.

53 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:20:26pm

Magician Politics
by Thomas Sowell

/you just know this is going to hurt

54 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:20:52pm

re: #48 DEZes

Have a daisy.
Hiya hoops.

What up stud Hoosier?
I'm now on Cable at home...Ho-Yoo!

55 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:21:09pm

re: #42 LGoPs

That brings back fond mammaries...

As a friend pointed out once, "I dont think that armor is very effective"

56 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:21:18pm

re: #36 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

To bring this thread good luck, I hereby grace it with a picture of Lucy Lawless in a bikini. May it bring you as much joy as it has brought me.

*perks up*

57 DEZes  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:21:29pm

re: #54 HoosierHoops

What up stud Hoosier?
I'm now on Cable at home...Ho-Yoo!

Moving on up. ;)

58 MikeySDCA  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:21:39pm

Of course, the reason Bambi is in a tearing hurry to get the whatever it's called today passed is that he knows that if folks get a chance to read it, and see what a crock it is, nobody will vote for it.

59 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:21:42pm

re: #50 yochanan

i think the whole last thread should be sent down the memory hole fast.

I disagree.
Plenty of people came out against the racism in that cartoon.
It's important to leave those comments up

60 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:22:03pm

re: #55 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

As a friend pointed out once, "I dont think that armor is very effective"

Well, it does leave most of her vital organs exposed. (Vital here means the organs that do a job, not the ones some people considered vital.)

61 The Other Les  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:22:14pm

re: #36 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

To bring this thread good luck, I hereby grace it with a picture of Lucy Lawless in a bikini. May it bring you as much joy as it has brought me.

Lucy Lawless was okay as a fake blond in BSG. (THAT! WHITE! DRESS!) But that photo really is a bit to glamdroidish for me.

62 DEZes  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:22:31pm

re: #55 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

As a friend pointed out once, "I dont think that armor is very effective"

I have to dispute that, fighting her is the last thing on my mind.

63 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:23:50pm

re: #55 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

As a friend pointed out once, "I dont think that armor is very effective"

It was VERY effective for ratings. Had a friend that watched the show religously. I think I even saw a shrine in his closet once.

64 opnion  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:23:52pm

re: #50 yochanan

i think the whole last thread should be sent down the memory hole fast.

Itr feels good to get away from it.

65 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:24:32pm

re: #33 Truck Monkey

Didn't dig too deep in the last thread. It's too bad that a long time poster got whacked. What is the general idea of what he/she said?

I think I got the gist of it.

[deleted]
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[deleted]

66 Bobblehead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:24:40pm

re: #63 BlueCanuck

It was VERY effective for ratings. Had a friend that watched the show religously. I think I even saw a shrine in his closet once.

She is a very attractive girl.

67 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:24:42pm

re: #60 EmmmieG

Well, it does leave most of her vital organs exposed. (Vital here means the organs that do a job, not the ones some people considered vital.)

And my response is the same for him, I think you're missing the point of the show.

68 LGoPs  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:24:44pm

re: #39 Charles

That person was warned very clearly to stop sniping at Killgore Trout.

I snipe at KT sometimes. If there's a new rule, or a variation to an old one, I'd like to know about it.
I'm not trying to poke you Charles. Just want to know where the landmines are.

69 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:25:11pm

re: #63 BlueCanuck

It was VERY effective for ratings. Had a friend that watched the show religously. I think I even saw a shrine in his closet once.

Please say you washed you hands afterwards if you touched anything.

70 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:25:31pm

I hope we can still snipe at Space Jesus

71 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:25:59pm

re: #68 LGoPs

I snipe at KT sometimes. If there's a new rule, or a variation to an old one, I'd like to know about it.
I'm not trying to poke you Charles. Just want to know where the landmines are.

Then I advise you to stop. I'm sick and tired of people trying to make it so unpleasant for Killgore that he'll stop posting here. He has added a lot of value to this site, and before I let you drive him off I'll block your account.

72 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:26:31pm

From The Simpsons;


[Chorus]
This log is your log
This log is my log
When lightning struck it
It kicked the bucket!
[Moe]
I poured some onions
Inside my trousers
[Chorus] This log, it used to be a tree
Now it spreads love to you and me
Hey look, it's heading out to sea!

73 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:27:16pm

re: #42 LGoPs

That brings back fond mammaries...

Hello Titty

74 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:28:30pm

re: #65 CyanSnowHawk

I think I got the gist of it.

[deleted]
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[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]

Who?

75 The Other Les  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:28:49pm

re: #70 Shug

I hope we can still snipe at Space Jesus

Just keep those Turkish fellows away from the Space Pope.

76 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:29:53pm

Hmmm...

Viewing stats for Obama Press Conferences

Last night 24.7 million
The one before that 28.8 million
The one before that 40.4 million
The one before that 49.5 million

I believe I heard a commentator say last night that Obama has given as many prime time press conferences in the last 6 months as Bush did in 8 years.

77 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:30:14pm

re: #68 LGoPs

I snipe at KT sometimes. If there's a new rule, or a variation to an old one, I'd like to know about it.
I'm not trying to poke you Charles. Just want to know where the landmines are.

I always feel bad when somebody melts down over me. It has happened more than I care to recall. There's not much I can do about it so I've become pretty fatalistic about it.
This situation was just about me but there's a larger problem that has been going on the past few months. Some people aren't content to just enjoy themselves on LGF but take it upon themselves to make others miserable.
We all throw elbows here, it's part of the fun. But when it drags on from thread to thread, day after day it becomes disruptive to the blog. Most people don't care about personal squabbles and LGF drama and when it keeps derailing threads from the topic it becomes tiresome for everyone.

78 Silvergirl  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:30:14pm

The British comedy Spaced is now on Hulu.

79 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:30:49pm

If anyone cares, or has been following this case, the jury has returned in the Ava Worthington trial:

Mother acquitted of Manslaughter.
Father acquitted of Manslaughter, guilty of criminal mistreatment.

[Link: www.katu.com...]

80 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:31:19pm

re: #78 Silvergirl

The British comedy Spaced is now on Hulu.

Sounds like a slice of fried gold.

81 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:31:31pm

re: #71 Charles

Thanks for your nice words of support.

82 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:31:51pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

I always feel bad when somebody melts down over me.

Claustrophobic and gooey?

83 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:32:00pm
84 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:32:10pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

I always feel bad when somebody melts down over me. It has happened more than I care to recall. There's not much I can do about it so I've become pretty fatalistic about it.
This situation was just about me but there's a larger problem that has been going on the past few months. Some people aren't content to just enjoy themselves on LGF but take it upon themselves to make others miserable.
We all throw elbows here, it's part of the fun. But when it drags on from thread to thread, day after day it becomes disruptive to the blog. Most people don't care about personal squabbles and LGF drama and when it keeps derailing threads from the topic it becomes tiresome for everyone.

I apologize Killgore, I won't do it again, really, I mean that. Peace?

85 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:32:11pm

{Killgore}

86 opnion  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:32:17pm

re: #76 Pianobuff

Hmmm...

Viewing stats for Obama Press Conferences

Last night 24.7 million
The one before that 28.8 million
The one before that 40.4 million
The one before that 49.5 million

I believe I heard a commentator say last night that Obama has given as many prime time press conferences in the last 6 months as Bush did in 8 years.

It's true they are tied & Obama managed it in just 1/16th of the time.
He loves to be the center of attention & think that his hubris will do him in.
If you are not informed on the subject, don't have a press conference.

87 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:32:19pm

re: #74 TheMatrix31

Who?

Nevergiveup.

88 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:32:23pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

Claustrophobic and gooey?

Are we talking about the Lucy Lawless shrine again?

89 Obsidiandog  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:32:26pm

re: #44 yochanan

1000 updings.

A GREAT day!

90 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:32:28pm

re: #83 buzzsawmonkey

Barry Potter and the Half-Baked Plan.

except WE are the ones in the oven getting baked

91 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:32:36pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

I always feel bad when somebody melts down over me. It has happened more than I care to recall. There's not much I can do about it so I've become pretty fatalistic about it.
This situation was just about me but there's a larger problem that has been going on the past few months. Some people aren't content to just enjoy themselves on LGF but take it upon themselves to make others miserable.
We all throw elbows here, it's part of the fun. But when it drags on from thread to thread, day after day it becomes disruptive to the blog. Most people don't care about personal squabbles and LGF drama and when it keeps derailing threads from the topic it becomes tiresome for everyone.


well said.
It's a tough room but people need to chill sometimes.
I'll admit sometimes you make me want to pull my hair out, but most of the time I very much enjoy the links and info you provide.

I still laugh sometimes about what you said you did on election night last year

92 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:33:31pm

re: #87 CyanSnowHawk

Nevergiveup.

Oh that sucks. He/she updinged one of my comments in that thread too. Oh well.

93 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:33:36pm

re: #88 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Are we talking about the Lucy Lawless shrine again?

The nice thing about working alone is that nobody stares when I laugh out loud.

94 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:33:37pm

re: #78 Silvergirl

The British comedy Spaced is now on Hulu.

Hey, that has Simon Pegg in it. Is it good?

95 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:33:45pm

and of course about " mowing your neighbors lawn"

96 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:33:57pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Thanks for your nice words of support.

You are one of the good guys KT...Kind regards

97 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:34:05pm

re: #76 Pianobuff

Hmmm...

Viewing stats for Obama Press Conferences

Last night 24.7 million
The one before that 28.8 million
The one before that 40.4 million
The one before that 49.5 million

I believe I heard a commentator say last night that Obama has given as many prime time press conferences in the last 6 months as Bush did in 8 years.

Love those stats.

98 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:34:16pm
99 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:34:31pm

re: #92 TheMatrix31

Oh that sucks. He/she updinged one of my comments in that thread too. Oh well.

You get to keep the ding.

100 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:35:11pm

re: #95 Shug

and of course about " mowing your neighbors lawn"

You and your little pet names for doing it.

/

101 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:35:44pm

re: #99 wrenchwench

You get to keep the ding.

I liked Never...I hope he sends Charles an email and apologizes...hint hint if he's reading this

102 Bloodnok  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:35:59pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Hey, that has Simon Pegg in it. Is it good?

I think it might be one of the 2 or 3 funniest shows I have ever seen. It's like 12 30-minute episodes of "Shaun of the Dead". It is brilliant.

103 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:36:01pm

re: #95 Shug

and of course about " mowing your neighbors lawn"

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays...

104 Macker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:36:03pm

re: #36 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

To bring this thread good luck, I hereby grace it with a picture of Lucy Lawless in a bikini. May it bring you as much joy as it has brought me.

Is that what she seduced Baltar with?

105 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:36:04pm

re: #83 buzzsawmonkey

Barry Potter and the Half-Baked Plan.

Thomas Sowell wields a very powerful pen. No magic needed.

106 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:36:19pm

Eegad! The Fever Swamp has moved north of the border:

Obama is rapidly turning this country into a totalitarian regime

This has to do with Obama's less-than-fascistic idea to replace private security companies with federal officers at federal buildings. This may or may not be a good idea (TSA, harrumph) but canceling their contracts is not nationalization nor is it another step toward Stalinism.

107 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:36:27pm

re: #100 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

You and your little pet names for doing it.

/


that whole thread was some funny shit.

his explanation of that lady unable to carry in all those cakes...

and then the uproar about his descriptions of her.

priceless!

108 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:36:44pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

Maybe I need to spend more time on LGF but I can't for the life of me figure out what would cause folks to meltdown over what you say or post. Everyone has an opinion; if folks are so juvenile that they can't allow someone's to differ from their own, then I suggest they grow up and get a life.

109 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:36:51pm

re: #99 wrenchwench

You get to keep the ding.

I think I'll redistribute my ding to those with lesser dings, since that seems to be the order of the era.

110 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:37:01pm

re: #102 Bloodnok

I think it might be one of the 2 or 3 funniest shows I have ever seen. It's like 12 30-minute episodes of "Shaun of the Dead". It is brilliant.

Cool, thanks. I'm bookmarking it now for later viewing.

111 mikalm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:37:10pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

Sometimes I upding you, sometimes I downding you. But your stuff is always worth reading -- if only for perspective.

112 opnion  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:37:16pm

re: #98 capitalist piglet

Cop who arrested black scholar is profiling expert

Oops.

Good, I'm glad that this cop is a good guy. Will President Obama apologize? Not very likely, he should never have commented when the facts weren't settled.

113 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:37:36pm

re: #87 CyanSnowHawk

Nevergiveup.

Was the partner in crime Neversurrender.

(ORA?)

114 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:37:46pm

re: #104 Macker

Is that what she seduced Baltar with?

I believe a pulse and the lack of a Y chromosome were enough for Baltar.

115 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:38:04pm

re: #112 opnion

Good, I'm glad that this cop is a good guy. Will President Obama apologize? Not very likely, he should never have commented when the facts weren't settled.


he'd have to take a vow of silence if that was his SOP

116 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:38:08pm

re: #108 Jetpilot1101

There have been some really terrible ones over the years that I still feel bad about. No names since they can't defend themselves.

117 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:38:32pm

re: #114 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I believe a pulse and the lack of a Y chromosome were enough for Baltar.

Pulse was optional.

118 mikalm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:38:39pm

Some vintage jazzy-folky-rock: "Rainmaker" by Traffic

119 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:39:12pm

re: #118 mikalm

Some vintage jazzy-folky-rock: "Rainmaker" by Traffic


[Video]

mikalm ... one of my favorite bands ever! ...

120 Macker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:39:18pm

re: #117 CyanSnowHawk

Pulse was optional.

Now that's SICK.

121 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:39:25pm

Boehner says GOP health alternative is coming

Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said on Thursday afternoon that Republicans will have an alternative healthcare reform bill to offer but did not say when it would be ready.

He told reporters that Republicans will “make decisions at the appropriate time for how we’ll proceed,” but that they are “putting the final touches on (their) bill, just as Democrats” are doing.

The leader made the statement on a conference call Thursday afternoon...


...Under their plan, there will be no public government-run option and individuals would be encouraged to take advantage of “incentives” that would make coverage more affordable. Also, they want to make sure that the millions of people who currently qualify for Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) take advantage of those options.

122 Silvergirl  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:39:42pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Hey, that has Simon Pegg in it. Is it good?

Yep. If you're already a Simon Pegg fan, then yep yep.

Funny, and not mainstream.

123 LGoPs  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:40:15pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

I always feel bad when somebody melts down over me. It has happened more than I care to recall. There's not much I can do about it so I've become pretty fatalistic about it.
This situation was just about me but there's a larger problem that has been going on the past few months. Some people aren't content to just enjoy themselves on LGF but take it upon themselves to make others miserable.
We all throw elbows here, it's part of the fun. But when it drags on from thread to thread, day after day it becomes disruptive to the blog. Most people don't care about personal squabbles and LGF drama and when it keeps derailing threads from the topic it becomes tiresome for everyone.

Got it. My recollection of the few exchanges we've had aren't particularly onerous. Your recollection may be different...I don't know.
No hard feelings on my part.

124 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:40:25pm

I'm watching as people continue to upding comments defending that racist picture.

125 opnion  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:40:27pm

re: #115 Shug

he'd have to take a vow of silence if that was his SOP

Yeah he wasn't even prepared for the press conference.
It is just that his comment about the incident was so inappropriate.
To me, he thinks to much in racial terms. He is the president & should never have commented.

126 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:40:36pm

re: #121 Pianobuff


So, what's the over/under on how long it'll take the Dems to bury this?

127 mikalm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:40:43pm

re: #119 JacksonTn

mikalm ... one of my favorite bands ever! ...

Yes. I saw them on the 1994 reunion tour. Unfortunately Chris Wood had been ten years' dead by that point, but they still did a great show.

128 TheAntichrist  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:41:13pm

Mark Buehrle pitched a perfect game today, the 18th in the history of Major League Baseball and the first since Randy Johnson's perfect game in 2004.

Just sayin'.

129 yochanan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:41:24pm

did i say perfect game and grand slam enough?
[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]

130 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:41:28pm

re: #126 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So, what's the over/under on how long it'll take the Dems to bury this?

If the MSM don't report on this it won't take long at all.

131 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:41:53pm

re: #112 opnion

Good, I'm glad that this cop is a good guy. Will President Obama apologize? Not very likely, he should never have commented when the facts weren't settled.

If he could just get the Israelis to stop building settlements in Cambridge, the problem would be solved. Crowley should go out and speak to police unions country wide prior to 2010 and 2012 elections and he should mention 0bama's lack of respect to police offices as well as his association with unrepentant cop killers Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

132 Bobblehead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:41:54pm

re: #78 Silvergirl

The British comedy Spaced is now on Hulu.

I saw that show cited in the comments many times here. As I mentioned in the last thread, I'm still trying to figure out the Brit love for "The West Wing". Is that how our cousins across the pond view the presidency or is it wishful thinking on their part?

133 mikalm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:42:06pm

re: #124 Charles

I'm watching as people continue to upding comments defending that racist picture.

Whoa! ODS writ large...

134 opnion  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:42:30pm

re: #128 TheAntichrist

Mark Buehrle pitched a perfect game today, the 18th in the history of Major League Baseball and the first since Randy Johnson's perfect game in 2004.

Just sayin'.

I like your avatar. Go Sox!

135 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:42:51pm

re: #106 Shiplord Kirel

Btw, the linked article is by veteran fever-swamper Laurie Roth. She also manages to link the Amazon Orwell deletions to the new security program in Obama's diabolical plans, even though the article appeared well after Amazon's copyright statement was released.

136 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:43:26pm

Sharmuta's Quote of the Week:

[...] the Right has distilled its tale of betrayal into a formula: Advocate some momentarily popular but reckless policy. Deny culpability when that policy is exposed as disastrous. Blame the disaster on internal enemies who hate America. Repeat, always making sure to increase the number of internal enemies.

-Kevin Baker

137 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:43:39pm

Pro: At least it wasn't a member of the Red Sox.

Con: It was a member of Bammer's favorite team.

138 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:43:40pm

Too important to get lost in the last thread, an official House of Representatives report on ACORN:

Report: Is ACORN Intentionally Structured As a Criminal Enterprise?

“This report is a comprehensive and substantive examination of an organization that has operated in secrecy and outside the law,” Issa, also a member of the House Judiciary Committee said. “There are number of legitimate questions raised about the political activities and organizational structure of ACORN. This report is about getting to the truth and when there are significant accusations and questions outstanding regarding an organization that has benefited from millions of taxpayer dollars, those questions should be answered and the truth should be brought to light.”

“The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has repeatedly and deliberately engaged in systemic fraud,” according to the report’s executive summary. “Both structurally and operationally, ACORN hides behind a paper wall of nonprofit corporate protections to conceal a criminal conspiracy on the part of its directors, to launder federal money in order to pursue a partisan political agenda and to manipulate the American electorate. Emerging accounts of widespread deceit and corruption raise the need for a criminal investigation of ACORN.”

The report includes significant new information about wrongdoing brought to the attention of committee investigators by ACORN whistleblowers.

Highlighted in the report:
ACORN has evaded taxes, obstructed justice, engaged in self dealing, and aided and abetted a cover-up of the $948.607.50 embezzlement by Dale Rathke, the brother of ACORN founder Wade Rathke.
ACORN has committed investment fraud, deprived the public of its right to honest services, and engaged in a racketeering enterprise affecting interstate commerce.
ACORN has committed a conspiracy to defraud the United States by using taxpayer funds for partisan political activities.
ACORN has submitted false filings to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and the Department of Labor, in addition to violating the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA).
ACORN falsified and concealed facts concerning an illegal transaction between related parties in violation of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA).

The full 88 page report can be found here in PDF format

139 mikalm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:43:59pm

Per the last thread: I came in very late, so I withheld comments. But I agree that the pic is one of the vilest pieces of attack propaganda I've ever seen -- and I've seen some doozies over the year.

140 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:45:00pm

re: #124 Charles

I'm watching as people continue to upding comments defending that racist picture.

Not trying to get in your business Charles but I'd be banning accounts for supporting crap like that. There is absolutley no defense for an openly racist photoshop and thise that would defend it aught to get hit mighty hard with the clue-by-four.

141 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:45:04pm
142 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:45:07pm

re: #136 Sharmuta

Sharmuta's Quote of the Week:


-Kevin Baker

I'm struggling with that. Could you please provide an example? When I think of "disastrous policies", mind mind goes right to Obama and stalls.

143 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:45:36pm
144 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:45:48pm

re: #140 Jetpilot1101

Not trying to get in your business Charles but I'd be banning accounts for supporting crap like that.

I am.

145 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:46:36pm

re: #139 mikalm

Per the last thread: I came in very late, so I withheld comments. But I agree that the pic is one of the vilest pieces of attack propaganda I've ever seen -- and I've seen some doozies over the year.

It backfired on the dimwit who made it up...what a dick! Presenting that image does nothing but harm the right.

146 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:46:55pm

Don't know if this has already been posted

Officer in Henry Gates flap tried to save Reggie Lewis

The Cambridge cop prominent Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. claims is a racist gave a dying Reggie Lewis mouth-to-mouth resuscitation in a desperate bid to save the Celtics [team stats] superstar’s life 16 years ago Monday.

147 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:47:22pm

The AMA already has endorsed Obama's plan, so what this doctor was thinking isn't pleasant to contemplate. As I noted on an earlier thread, Obama attacked doctors for being wasteful spenders at his press conference last night. In the aftermath of the AMA endorsement of his plan, this also is bizarre behavior.

148 yochanan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:47:29pm

the zero's screwing Israel and demanding that Israel accept racist policy of Judenrin for east Jerusalem is as bad as that photo because this policy will get people killed just for being jewish.

149 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:47:55pm

re: #128 TheAntichrist

Mark Buehrle pitched a perfect game today, the 18th in the history of Major League Baseball and the first since Randy Johnson's perfect game in 2004.

Just sayin'.

Now there is a feat where it's not that bad following up a guy they call "Big Unit."

150 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:48:02pm

re: #17 DEZes

Open sunny afternoon.
Hi everyone!

151 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:48:22pm

re: #143 buzzsawmonkey

That's a wand.

There are certain people who can slice and dice with a surgical precision that is beautiful to behold:

Sowell, VDH, Lileks, Krauthammer...

I am not worthy to dust off their keyboards for them.

152 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:48:30pm

re: #124 Charles

I'm watching as people continue to upding comments defending that racist picture.

That picture is "satirical, not racist" like the BNP's golliwog campaign is a "harmless bit of cultural fun".

153 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:48:33pm

re: #142 capitalist piglet

I'm struggling with that. Could you please provide an example? When I think of "disastrous policies", mind mind goes right to Obama and stalls.

Okay- and when you think of the right, none come to mind?

154 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:48:37pm

re: #136 Sharmuta

Those damned RINOs!
/

155 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:48:42pm

re: #150 Floral Giraffe

Open sunny afternoon.
Hi everyone!

FG ... Hey! ... how did the "test" go? ...

/ain't nothing secret round here ...

156 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:48:55pm

re: #141 buzzsawmonkey

That will doubtless be spun to show that

a) he is not qualified to be a profiling expert, and

b) a racist is a racist is a racist, and you can't educate someone out of it.

Regarding the latter point, note that the leftist cure for everything is always "more education," by which of course is meant "indoctrination"--but the "education" is never really considered to "take."

Many years ago, I was talking with some members of a "Women's Martial Arts" group, who were urging my girlfriend to attend their fundraising fleamarket/bake sale. I, being male, was specifically not invited--as a man, it was explained, my very presence might upset some of the women there. I suggested that if a male presence upset these women in the midst of their own bastion, surrounded by their friends, and all of them trained in the martial arts, then the training couldn't possibly be very effective. I suggested, further, that if indeed it was true that men earn X% more than women, men should logically be encouraged to attend, and spend money, as a form of "reparations."

This did not sit well with them. The capper to the conversation was when they admitted that some males did actually enter the sacred precincts; the pre-pubescent male children of the women who were members. But these kids were, apparently, summarily banned from the establishment when they hit puberty; apparently, being educated in a whacko-feminist hothouse was not sufficient to prevent the manifestations of their evil malehood once the hormones started ramping up. I observed that this was one of the cruelest things I had ever heard of--to exile a child who had grown up in this milieu, after having unfitted him for any other, solely on the basis of his sex.

But this attitude pervades the left; you have to be "educated" out of your attitudes, but in the end biology--whether sex or race--is destiny, and the education never removes the cloud of suspicion from you.

It is interesting to note that while the cry of the pro-choice movement is that biology is not destiny, the treatment of people by race or sex shows that they believe it is.

Care to guess on the spin strategy for this (partial text below)?

The Cambridge cop prominent Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. claims is a racist gave a dying Reggie Lewis mouth-to-mouth resuscitation in a desperate bid to save the Celtics [team stats] superstar’s life 16 years ago Monday.

“I wasn’t working on Reggie Lewis the basketball star. I wasn’t working on a black man. I was working on another human being,” Sgt. James Crowley, in an exclusive interview with the Herald, said of the forward’s fatal heart attack July 27, 1993, at age 27 during an off-season practice at Brandeis University, where Crowley was a campus police officer.

It’s a date Crowley still can recite by rote - and he still recalls the pain he suffered when people back then questioned whether he had done enough to save the black athlete.

“Some people were saying ‘There’s the guy who killed Reggie Lewis’ afterward. I was broken-hearted. I cried for many nights,” he said.

157 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:48:59pm

re: #146 bulwrk

Don't know if this has already been posted

Officer in Henry Gates flap tried to save Reggie Lewis

The Cambridge cop prominent Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. claims is a racist gave a dying Reggie Lewis mouth-to-mouth resuscitation in a desperate bid to save the Celtics [team stats] superstar’s life 16 years ago Monday.

Wow! Awesome!

158 Syrah  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:49:13pm

re: #121 Pianobuff

Boehner says GOP health alternative is coming

Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said on Thursday afternoon that Republicans will have an alternative healthcare reform bill to offer but did not say when it would be ready.

I think that this is tactically a bad idea.

When the only thing up for consideration is the Dem's bill, then IT and the Democrats vision of America is the subject of the debate. When the Dems own the House, the Senate and the Presidency, nothing that the Republicans offer up will have much use except to give the Dems something to distract peoples attention away from what they are going to do. The Republican proposals are deader than dead. It is a waist of energies to have to attack the Dem's bill while defending one of your own that cannot possibly get the votes to win.

159 nikis-knight  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:49:23pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

Okay- and when you think of the right, none come to mind?

You mentioned it--surely you have some examples at hand?

160 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:49:42pm

re: #144 Charles

I'm afraid to even read that thread.

161 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:49:48pm

re: #159 nikis-knight

You mentioned it--surely you have some examples at hand?

Do your own thinking.

162 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:50:00pm

re: #137 TheMatrix31

Pro: At least it wasn't a member of the Red Sox.NY Yankees.

Con: It was a member of Bammer's favorite team.


Had to edit that comment.

163 nikis-knight  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:51:16pm

re: #161 Sharmuta

Do your own thinking.

Well, you've convinced me! The right are traitors!

164 Kragar  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:51:20pm

re: #137 TheMatrix31

Pro: At least it wasn't a member of the Red Sox.

Con: It was a member of Bammer's favorite team.

He said its his favorite team, but I doubt he really gives a shit.

165 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:51:29pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

Okay- and when you think of the right, none come to mind?

Disastrous? Not off-hand, no. That's why I asked you. Surely you must have something in mind?

I'm about to take off for a bit, so if I miss your reply, please don't think I'm ignoring it.

166 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:51:33pm

re: #158 Syrah

I think that this is tactically a bad idea.

When the only thing up for consideration is the Dem's bill, then IT and the Democrats vision of America is the subject of the debate. When the Dems own the House, the Senate and the Presidency, nothing that the Republicans offer up will have much use except to give the Dems something to distract peoples attention away from what they are going to do. The Republican proposals are deader than dead. It is a waist of energies to have to attack the Dem's bill while defending one of your own that cannot possibly get the votes to win.

That's the thing. Without any real bills of their own to offer, even if they have little to no chance of getting anywhere, it becomes easier for the Dems to depict the GOP as the "Party of No." No amount of cover is gonna resurrect the Dem's bill, not with the Blue Dogs knowing that their every move is being scrutinized by the GOP. They know if they go along with this lunacy, their chairs are gonna flip again come 2010 or 2012.

167 Lincolntf  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:51:45pm

Hi all. I see that Obama found time to call Mark Buehrle and congratulate him on his perfect game. Now maybe he can fit in some time to read his Health Care plan or the police report from Cambridge.
I won't be holding my breath.

168 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:52:25pm

re: #157 TheMatrix31

Wow! Awesome!

I must qualify that statement by saying it's awesome that he was the one attempting to save his life, yet horribly unfortunate that Lewis still lost his life.

re: #162 soxfan4life

Had to edit that comment.

Heh, sorry my friend. My big bro is a huge Yankee fan so it rubbed off on me. Me? I'm a huge Braves fan. 1996 and 1999 were interesting years in my household.

169 The Other Les  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:52:33pm

re: #124 Charles

I'm watching as people continue to upding comments defending that racist picture.

I would never insult an aboriginal shaman in that fashion.

However wrong a shaman may be about reality at least he knows more about it than a Marxist.

170 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:52:48pm

re: #167 Lincolntf

Hi all. I see that Obama found time to call Mark Buehrle and congratulate him on his perfect game. Now maybe he can fit in some time to read his Health Care plan or the police report from Cambridge.
I won't be holding my breath.

He should start off his summer reading list with the Constitution.

171 Bobblehead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:53:03pm

re: #147 quickjustice

The AMA already has endorsed Obama's plan, so what this doctor was thinking isn't pleasant to contemplate. As I noted on an earlier thread, Obama attacked doctors for being wasteful spenders at his press conference last night. In the aftermath of the AMA endorsement of his plan, this also is bizarre behavior.

My physician is less than enthused with Obamacare. The idea of attending medical school only to end up working for the government does not sit well with her. As a matter of fact she was rather vehement about it. She's a young woman so I image many of her peers feel the same way.

172 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:53:14pm

re: #141 buzzsawmonkey

And that was the day you learned how many feminists it takes to change a light bulb. : )

173 steve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:53:22pm

For you delicate hands!
www.handerpants.com...] target="_blank">handerpants

174 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:53:31pm

re: #155 JacksonTn

Well, I had my nephew "help" me put up an avatar. Tech retard, here.

175 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:53:34pm

re: #122 Silvergirl

Yep. If you're already a Simon Pegg fan, then yep yep.

Funny, and not mainstream.

Watching the 1st episode now. Laugh out loud funny. Thanks for the tip.

176 Lincolntf  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:54:07pm

re: #170 soxfan4life

I shudder to think of how many "corrections" he'd make if he ever bothered to read the thing.

177 snowcrash  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:54:28pm

re: #174 Floral Giraffe
I love it. Very cute.

178 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:55:07pm

re: #174 Floral Giraffe

Well, I had my nephew "help" me put up an avatar. Tech retard, here.

FG ... cute! ... tall fella ... would be hard to dance with ... wait ... it's a girl! ... is it? ...

179 Bloodnok  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:55:17pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Watching the 1st episode now. Laugh out loud funny. Thanks for the tip.

Cool. The "homages" to movies and TV in that show are just incredible. So many references.

180 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:55:26pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Hey, that has Simon Pegg in it. Is it good?

I'd say it was about 1000x better than "Little Britain" and 1/2 as good as Black Books, and about 1/10 as good as "The League of Gentelemen"

181 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:55:36pm

re: #171 Bobblehead

My physician is less than enthused with Obamacare. The idea of attending medical school only to end up working for the government does not sit well with her. As a matter of fact she was rather vehement about it. She's a young woman so I image many of her peers feel the same way.


I thought I heard on the radio that many doctors were leaving the AMA because of this. Imagine racking up a half million in tuition bills and wanting to have a chance to repay them and earn a decent living.

182 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:55:58pm

we are all brothers...
Neville Bros


183 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:56:29pm

re: #176 Lincolntf

I shudder to think of how many "corrections" he'd make if he ever bothered to read the thing.

A red pen would be appropriately named in his hands.

184 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:56:58pm

re: #158 Syrah

McCain's health care proposal was the smartest part of his entire campaign.

185 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:57:20pm

re: #158 Syrah

I think that this is tactically a bad idea.

When the only thing up for consideration is the Dem's bill, then IT and the Democrats vision of America is the subject of the debate. When the Dems own the House, the Senate and the Presidency, nothing that the Republicans offer up will have much use except to give the Dems something to distract peoples attention away from what they are going to do. The Republican proposals are deader than dead. It is a waist of energies to have to attack the Dem's bill while defending one of your own that cannot possibly get the votes to win.

I'm a little torn on this one as I've heard good arguments on both sides of this issue. I'm leaning to the camp that thinks that giving the Dems a semi-legitimate "party of no" talking point is worse than the good points you also bring up.

Having 44, Reid, Pelosi up there day after day hammering saying every day that R's have offered nothing seems more harmful.

186 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:57:24pm

Hi guys. World is topsey turvey as ever - say what you will about W's spending, it pales in comparison to the cat we have in office now, plus W had enough class not to comment on local police issues, let alone say they acted "stupidly" on national TV. Our president lacks class.

187 Bobblehead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:57:38pm

re: #173 steve

For you delicate hands!
handerpants

"perfect for night bloggers" LOL

188 Lincolntf  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:57:56pm

re: #174 Floral Giraffe

That's a cool pic. My wife and I went to New Orleans a few years ago and drove an hour or two out of town to one of those "no fences" kind of animal preserves. She keeps a framed photo of me with a giraffe basically head-butting me on her desk. I don't ask why.

189 snowcrash  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:58:05pm

re: #173 steve
Not sure why Yoch didn't like them, but handerpants iz funny.

190 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:58:11pm

re: #181 soxfan4life

I thought I heard on the radio that many doctors were leaving the AMA because of this. Imagine racking up a half million in tuition bills and wanting to have a chance to repay them and earn a decent living.

Good. I want Obama's "legacy" to suffer because of this.

191 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:58:28pm

re: #181 soxfan4life

they are selfish! They should want to give up their hard earned cash to those who don't want to work hard! It's called community.

///(did I need it?)

192 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:58:50pm

re: #186 ArmyWife

Hi guys. World is topsey turvey as ever - say what you will about W's spending, it pales in comparison to the cat we have in office now, plus W had enough class not to comment on local police issues, let alone say they acted "stupidly" on national TV. Our president lacks class.


True, but he is so intelligent compared to President Bush.///

193 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:58:53pm

re: #186 ArmyWife

Hi guys. World is topsey turvey as ever - say what you will about W's spending, it pales in comparison to the cat we have in office now, plus W had enough class not to comment on local police issues, let alone say they acted "stupidly" on national TV. Our president lacks class.

Hi Armywife!

194 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:58:59pm

re: #79 EmmmieG

If anyone cares, or has been following this case, the jury has returned in the Ava Worthington trial:

Mother acquitted of Manslaughter.
Father acquitted of Manslaughter, guilty of criminal mistreatment.

[Link: www.katu.com...]

As most posters know, I am Christian and a firm believer in God. I think these people need an enormous psychological and biblical therapy. As does every other person in their 'church.'

I have yet to find a biblical passage which states 'don't go to a doctor cause I will cure you.' If any of you know of one, let me know.

195 steve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:59:02pm

re: #187 Bobblehead

"perfect for night bloggers" LOL

Whats really horrible is that some people wear boxers;-)

196 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:59:04pm

re: #181 soxfan4life

Obama's plan was proposed on Tuesday, and the AMA endorsed on Thursday. Their lobbyists could not have read the bill.

197 Syrah  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:59:24pm

re: #166 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That's the thing. Without any real bills of their own to offer, even if they have little to no chance of getting anywhere, it becomes easier for the Dems to depict the GOP as the "Party of No." No amount of cover is gonna resurrect the Dem's bill, not with the Blue Dogs knowing that their every move is being scrutinized by the GOP. They know if they go along with this lunacy, their chairs are gonna flip again come 2010 or 2012.

The Dem bill suffered terribly without a Republican alternative on the table precisely because it wae the only one to look at. The Dems could not hide from it. They had to own it.

Partisan opposition is not a fair game. It should not even be attempted to be played fairly.

In times like this, where your party has no means to advance anything but ideas, you offer only ideas, no specifics, no details.

We can beat the Dems to a bloody pulp on principles. IF we try to play the game of competing with them on details and specifics, they will make the debate over details and specifics, which will concede the broader principle to them. We don't have to play their game. In fact, we lose if we do.

198 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:59:31pm

re: #179 Bloodnok

I also like the awkward uncomfortable comedic moments. The Brits do that stuff really well (like The Office). Americans can't quite get that right.

199 Bobblehead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:59:38pm

re: #181 soxfan4life

I thought I heard on the radio that many doctors were leaving the AMA because of this. Imagine racking up a half million in tuition bills and wanting to have a chance to repay them and earn a decent living.

Her words almost exactly.

200 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:59:42pm

So we have a commander in chief who's willing to deal more forcefully with rank-and-file policemen and talk radio hosts than he is with petty despots with genocidal and nuclear ambitions...

/*whew!* Good thing that RINO McCain isn't in the White House

201 Bloodnok  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 3:59:53pm

re: #180 Jimmah

I'd say it was about 1000x better than "Little Britain" and 1/2 as good as Black Books, and about 1/10 as good as "The League of Gentelemen"

I tried Black Books once, but it didn't grab me. Should I give it a chance?

202 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:00:05pm

re: #185 Pianobuff

what if they offer up leaving the system alone but going after tort reform? There is more than one way to skin an issue.

203 Bobblehead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:00:09pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

I also like the awkward uncomfortable comedic moments. The Brits do that stuff really well (like The Office). Americans can't quite get that right.

Ricky Gervais is brilliant.

204 steve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:00:19pm

re: #189 snowcrash

Not sure why Yoch didn't like them, but handerpants iz funny.

Did not say I did not like them. My kids are already planning my birthday/christmas presents.

205 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:00:36pm

re: #196 quickjustice

Obama's plan was proposed on Tuesday, and the AMA endorsed on Thursday. Their lobbyists could not have read the bill.

Obviously, but reading bills before signing them is soo last year. Now it's all about how they make you feel.

206 nikis-knight  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:00:44pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

I also like the awkward uncomfortable comedic moments. The Brits do that stuff really well (like The Office). Americans can't quite get that right.

Do you like Arrested Development?

207 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:00:46pm

re: #165 capitalist piglet

Disastrous? Not off-hand, no. That's why I asked you. Surely you must have something in mind?

I'm about to take off for a bit, so if I miss your reply, please don't think I'm ignoring it.

I posted that as food for thought, and not with the intent to defend it with specific examples.

208 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:01:26pm

re: #200 Fenway_Nation

So we have a commander in chief who's willing to deal more forcefully with rank-and-file policemen and talk radio hosts than he is with petty despots with genocidal and nuclear ambitions...

/*whew!* Good thing that RINO McCain isn't in the White House

Let alone Sarah Palin. ///

209 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:01:32pm

re: #194 Eowyn2

As most posters know, I am Christian and a firm believer in God. I think these people need an enormous psychological and biblical therapy. As does every other person in their 'church.'

I have yet to find a biblical passage which states 'don't go to a doctor cause I will cure you.' If any of you know of one, let me know.

I don't. My personal beliefs follow the following joke:

Two hikers are up in the woods when a bear starts to charge them. One drops to his knees to pray. The other says, "You go ahead and pray there. I'm going to run and pray."

Sometimes God sends ordinary people to help us, like doctors and nurses.

210 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:01:49pm

re: #197 Syrah

The Dem bill suffered terribly without a Republican alternative on the table precisely because it wae the only one to look at. The Dems could not hide from it. They had to own it.

Partisan opposition is not a fair game. It should not even be attempted to be played fairly.

In times like this, where your party has no means to advance anything but ideas, you offer only ideas, no specifics, no details.

We can beat the Dems to a bloody pulp on principles. IF we try to play the game of competing with them on details and specifics, they will make the debate over details and specifics, which will concede the broader principle to them. We don't have to play their game. In fact, we lose if we do.

Exactly. NEVER let the opposition dictate the discourse.

211 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:01:57pm
212 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:02:00pm

re: #193 HoosierHoops

Hi HH! How are things going?

213 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:02:15pm

re: #186 ArmyWife

W had enough class not to comment on local police issues, let alone say they acted "stupidly" on national TV. Our president lacks class.

Obama acted stupidly when he made that idiotic comment. It was pure pandering to a constituent base and I hope it blows up like a trick cigar.

214 Syrah  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:02:17pm

re: #185 Pianobuff

I'm a little torn on this one as I've heard good arguments on both sides of this issue. I'm leaning to the camp that thinks that giving the Dems a semi-legitimate "party of no" talking point is worse than the good points you also bring up.

Having 44, Reid, Pelosi up there day after day hammering saying every day that R's have offered nothing seems more harmful.

I would rather be the party of "no" than the party of "me too."

Details and specifics are a rhetorical trap. Speak to the broader principles and the opposition will end up looking like reckless kooks.

215 Bloodnok  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:02:34pm

re: #203 Bobblehead

Ricky Gervais is brilliant.

Yes. Huge fan. The podcasts are brilliant (as are the old XFM radio shows you can find online).

216 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:02:38pm

re: #141 buzzsawmonkey
I think it was this attitude that, back in the mid 70s when I was hitting puberty and discovering boys, that I looked at radical feminism and blinked; shook my head, and walked the other way.

217 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:02:49pm

re: #197 Syrah

The Dem bill suffered terribly without a Republican alternative on the table precisely because it wae the only one to look at. The Dems could not hide from it. They had to own it.

Partisan opposition is not a fair game. It should not even be attempted to be played fairly.

In times like this, where your party has no means to advance anything but ideas, you offer only ideas, no specifics, no details.

We can beat the Dems to a bloody pulp on principles. IF we try to play the game of competing with them on details and specifics, they will make the debate over details and specifics, which will concede the broader principle to them. We don't have to play their game. In fact, we lose if we do.

Personally, I think the best time pop out a Republican alternative plan would be after the Dem plan crashes and burns. If nothing else, run it by the Mayo Clinic and other groups who are currently their nose up at the Dem plan and get their seal of approval. Show that these people are not just against reform, but against what the Dems are labeling "reform."

218 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:02:52pm

Speaking of the League of Gentlemen -

This is Royston Vasey's hapless vet, Dr Chinnery, and the turtle incident.

219 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:03:00pm

re: #186 ArmyWife

I was at a lecture yesterday at the Harvard Club in NYC about Obama's attitude towards Israel. The lecturer thought that the President is engaged in wishful thinking with respect to the reaction of the Muslim world to his demands upon Israel.

In response to a question about why President Obama would be so naive on this point, the lecturer, a Harvard alumnus, replied "He's a graduate of Harvard Law School. What do you expect?"

Everybody, including many Harvard Law School alums, laughed.

220 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:03:25pm

re: #196 quickjustice

Obama's plan was proposed on Tuesday, and the AMA endorsed on Thursday. Their lobbyists could not have read the bill.

They heard $$$

221 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:03:25pm

Thank God I was busy working hard and missed that last thread. It's what you call divine intervention. Saved me from violating my Christian principles.

222 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:04:02pm

re: #213 Mich-again

While alienating another - the Police unions.

223 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:04:02pm
224 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:04:39pm

re: #202 ArmyWife

what if they offer up leaving the system alone but going after tort reform? There is more than one way to skin an issue.

Well except for a couple of vague statements, I'm really not sure how meaty the bill would be.

Here's one kind of a test question for this group on whether the Rs should off an alternative (and yes, I know the circumstances aren't identical, but what the hey I'll throw it out there):

Would the R's have been perceptively in better or worse shape post-stimulus bill of the R's had not offered one up of their own.

225 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:04:53pm

re: #192 soxfan4life

True, but he is so intelligent compared to President Bush.///

re: #194 Eowyn2

As most posters know, I am Christian and a firm believer in God. I think these people need an enormous psychological and biblical therapy. As does every other person in their 'church.'

I have yet to find a biblical passage which states 'don't go to a doctor cause I will cure you.' If any of you know of one, let me know.

Proverbs 25:2
The honour of God is to hide a thing, And the honour of kings to search out a matter.

God has hidden things for us to discover... science, medicine. All are a part of His Creation, hidden and discoverable.

226 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:04:58pm

re: #196 quickjustice

Obama's plan was proposed on Tuesday, and the AMA endorsed on Thursday. Their lobbyists could not have read the bill.

This was after he gave a speech before them and was roundly booed when he came out and said tort reform was off the table.

227 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:05:07pm

re: #211 HelloDare

Obama stupidly stand by his "stupid" comment.

I'm a big Michelle McPhee fan. And she is a big time police supporter. 0 showed his ass to the world and the media is way too busy trying to cover him up.

228 Bobblehead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:05:09pm

re: #215 Bloodnok

Yes. Huge fan. The podcasts are brilliant (as are the old XFM radio shows you can find online).

He's in a cute little movie called "Ghost Town" with Tea Leoni and Greg Kinnear. Rent it. Nice way to spend a Friday or Saturday night.

229 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:05:14pm

re: #222 ArmyWife

The Fraternal Order of Police emphatically did not endorse him last year...

230 nikis-knight  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:05:22pm

re: #207 Sharmuta

I posted that as food for thought, and not with the intent to defend it with specific examples.

Can you link it? It strikes me as blind partisan hyperbole. Maybe the original author is better able to back up his position.

231 steve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:05:28pm

re: #194 Eowyn2

As most posters know, I am Christian and a firm believer in God. I think these people need an enormous psychological and biblical therapy. As does every other person in their 'church.'

I have yet to find a biblical passage which states 'don't go to a doctor cause I will cure you.' If any of you know of one, let me know.

I agree. God gave us wisdom for some to be doctors for a reason.

232 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:05:54pm

re: #209 EmmmieG

I don't. My personal beliefs follow the following joke:

Two hikers are up in the woods when a bear starts to charge them. One drops to his knees to pray. The other says, "You go ahead and pray there. I'm going to run and pray."

Sometimes God sends ordinary people to help us, like doctors and nurses.

Mom was always spouting "The Lord helps those who help themselves" -' now go clean your room because nobody is going to do it for you.'

233 rightymouse  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:05:54pm

re: #197 Syrah

The Dem bill suffered terribly without a Republican alternative on the table precisely because it wae the only one to look at. The Dems could not hide from it. They had to own it.

Partisan opposition is not a fair game. It should not even be attempted to be played fairly.

In times like this, where your party has no means to advance anything but ideas, you offer only ideas, no specifics, no details.

We can beat the Dems to a bloody pulp on principles. IF we try to play the game of competing with them on details and specifics, they will make the debate over details and specifics, which will concede the broader principle to them. We don't have to play their game. In fact, we lose if we do.

Exactly. We need them on the defense and scrambling. Am smelling blood and I hope the GOP does too and plays it right.

234 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:06:02pm

Baseball tidbit: Mark Buerhle tossed a no hitter today with only 1 walk. Almost perfect. I hate the White Sox.

235 MJ  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:06:21pm

Hamas Shifts From Rockets to Public Relations

GAZA — Seven months after Israel launched a fierce three-week military campaign here to stop rockets from being fired on its southern communities, Hamas has suspended its use of rockets and shifted focus to winning support at home and abroad through cultural initiatives and public relations...

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Of course, Hamas has always had the New York Times on it's side.

236 callahan23  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:06:32pm

re: #174 Floral Giraffe

Well, I had my nephew "help" me put up an avatar. Tech retard, here.

Hi Floral G. your new avatar isn't that the picture that a certain Lizard recommended?
From good outer space.

237 Bloodnok  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:06:38pm

re: #228 Bobblehead

He's in a cute little movie called "Ghost Town" with Tea Leoni and Greg Kinnear. Rent it. Nice way to spend a Friday or Saturday night.

I will. Thanks for the recommendation.

238 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:06:46pm

re: #211 HelloDare

Obama stupidly stand by his "stupid" comment.

Obama reverted to type with that comment. His type is as a community organizer. When the matter is an oppressed class vs. authority he instinctively sides with the oppressed class.

239 Lincolntf  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:07:01pm

re: #234 CommonCents

It was a perfect game. No walk.

240 yochanan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:07:43pm

re: #234 CommonCents

it was a perfect game NO ONE WAS WALKED
ALL 27 WERE OUT NONE WALKED.

241 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:07:50pm

re: #206 nikis-knight

Do you like Arrested Development?

It's not a bad show but I can't watch because they overdo the shaky-cam stuff. That technique worked well in Natural Born Killers but for some reason I find it too distracting with Arrested Development.

242 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:08:19pm

State Dems propose $10 minimum wage

A $10 minimum wage in Michigan is the centerpiece of a number of populist proposals unveiled Wednesday by the Democratic Party, which hopes to get some of the initiatives on next year's ballot.

Besides the 35 percent hike in the minimum wage, party officials want to mandate employer health coverage for all workers, boost unemployment benefits, slash utility rates and freeze home foreclosures."It's pretty obvious from this whose side we're on. We're on the side of people who are suffering," Mark Brewer, the party chairman, said during a news conference at Democratic headquarters in Lansing.

Brewer said an online survey and possibly a statewide poll will be used to determine which initiatives to pursue. He didn't rule out launching late-winter petition drives for more than one.

A microcosm of what's wrong on the national level, reversing the pumps on the Titanic when it's already sinking.

/what's the Michigan unemployment rate again?

243 snowcrash  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:08:43pm

re: #204 steve

Did not say I did not like them. My kids are already planning my birthday/christmas presents.


Poster Yochanon dinged you down. I thought they were hilarious and dinged you up. minor clarification.

244 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:09:06pm
245 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:09:17pm

re: #212 ArmyWife

Hi HH! How are things going?

Just great...Hope you are well...I heard the funniest thing today..I laughed my ass off...I got home at lunch today waiting for the Internet guy to show up to go to a new service...
So I see 2 1/2 men show on reruns and Charlie comes out of the shower with a smoking hot girl and says...You know it's a good shower when you come out feeling dirtier than when you went in...
I keep giggling all afternoon about that line
I may have to call Dr. Phil.
/

246 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:09:22pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

It's not a bad show but I can't watch because they overdo the shaky-cam stuff. That technique worked well in Natural Born Killers but for some reason I find it too distracting with Arrested Development.

Really? I don't mind it. I love AD.

247 yochanan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:09:34pm

re: #234 CommonCents

must be a cubs fan they have white sox derangement

248 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:09:41pm

re: #239 Lincolntf

It was a perfect game. No walk.

re: #240 yochanan

it was a perfect game NO ONE WAS WALKED
ALL 27 WERE OUT NONE WALKED.

I stand corrected, misread the box score.

249 steve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:09:57pm

re: #243 snowcrash

Thanks! I think that they will look good with my 1980 Goldwing.

250 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:10:20pm

re: #247 yochanan

must be a cubs fan they have white sox derangement

Tigers and Reds. Cubs suck too.

251 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:10:24pm

re: #229 Fenway_Nation

I seem to recall that, too. The locals in MD DID support him, though and I'm curious other locals in blue states did as well.

252 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:10:52pm

re: #217 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Personally, I think the best time pop out a Republican alternative plan would be after the Dem plan crashes and burns. If nothing else, run it by the Mayo Clinic and other groups who are currently their nose up at the Dem plan and get their seal of approval. Show that these people are not just against reform, but against what the Dems are labeling "reform."

The best plan would be almost no plan.
Address portability issues, extend COBRA beyond 18 months, require coverage for pre-existing conditions, allow the feds to negotiate prices for pharmaceutical purchases and that's it. Period! What have I missed? And don't say there are 50 million uninsured because there aren't. 10 - 15 million are illegals. 15 - 20 million will qualify for medicaid, just make em sign up. And about 20 million are indestructible kids aged 20 - 35 who don't need insurance (so they think). They'd much rather make Lexus payments or buy a big screen TV than insurance. 50 million uninsured is bull and Øbama knows it.

253 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:11:02pm

re: #236 callahan23

Hi Cal! It is DEZes picture! How are you today?

254 MJ  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:11:06pm

Not smart:

Rep. Carolyn Maloney apologizes over use of N-word, but slip may cost her against Sen. Gillibrand


[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

255 Syrah  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:11:14pm

re: #217 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Personally, I think the best time pop out a Republican alternative plan would be after the Dem plan crashes and burns. If nothing else, run it by the Mayo Clinic and other groups who are currently their nose up at the Dem plan and get their seal of approval. Show that these people are not just against reform, but against what the Dems are labeling "reform."

That would be better.

Always attack.

I would like to see the Republicans offer a simple alternative after the Dem bill is offcialy dead, Tort Reform.

They can and should be light on the specifics and details, just make the Dems show themselves to be the vassals of the Tort Lawyer Lobby.

256 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:11:19pm

re: #233 rightymouse

Exactly. We need them on the defense and scrambling. Am smelling blood and I hope the GOP does too and plays it right.

You and Syrah both bring up excellent points, and a passion to this I don't have since as I said I'm just leaning to the other side. Do you have any analogous historical examples off the top of your head that illustrate your position?

It just feels like that "Party of No" thing could haunt us - then again I'm not a political strategist and happy to be that way.

257 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:11:25pm

re: #242 Killian Bundy

State Dems propose $10 minimum wage

A microcosm of what's wrong on the national level, reversing the pumps on the Titanic when it's already sinking.

/what's the Michigan unemployment rate again?

I love that line:

."It's pretty obvious from this whose side we're on. We're on the side of people who are suffering," Mark Brewer, the party chairman, said during a news conference at Democratic headquarters in Lansing.

Yes, these people are suffering, so let's increase their suffering by jacking up their taxes and the price of living by further throttling all businesses in the state, while ensuring those businesses will lay even more people off.

Insanity breeds insanity.

258 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:11:26pm

re: #240 yochanan

it was a perfect game NO ONE WAS WALKED
ALL 27 WERE OUT NONE WALKED.

why they invented the term 'drubbed'

259 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:11:49pm

re: #238 jcm

re: #211 HelloDare


Obama stupidly stand by his "stupid" comment.


Obama reverted to type with that comment. His type is as a community organizer. When the matter is an oppressed class vs. authority he instinctively sides with the oppressed class.

If they want to play that stupid-ass little fucking game, why don't we make it about class warfare (andother lefty agit-prop specialty) and compare Gates' Ivy-league salary with that of a Cambridge, MA police sargeant.

260 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:12:43pm

never been to new Orleans, but goin in a few weeks for a few days...anyone in the know have a few suggestions of must see/do?? For example, a restuarant that i MUST go to, what I MUST eat...etc...:) Too lazy to do proper research and figure someone here wld make a great guide

261 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:13:31pm
262 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:14:09pm

re: #36 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

To bring this thread good luck, I hereby grace it with a picture of Lucy Lawless in a bikini. May it bring you as much joy as it has brought me.

Doesnt look anything like her.

263 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:14:18pm

re: #260 Tats66

never been to new Orleans, but goin in a few weeks for a few days...anyone in the know have a few suggestions of must see/do?? For example, a restuarant that i MUST go to, what I MUST eat...etc...:) Too lazy to do proper research and figure someone here wld make a great guide

Tipitinas for some music...
[Link: www.tipitinas.com...]

264 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:14:26pm

re: #244 Fenway_Nation

See Gibbs Spin...

Spin Gibbs, Spin...

That's an idiotic comment. Hey, don't get me wrong -- I'm not calling Gibbs and Obama idiots.

The really strange thing about the comment is that the question was probably staged. Obama probably knew it was coming, yet he still stepped in it.

It was not a very bright thing to do. Hey, I'm not saying the President isn't bright. Obviously, the guy is a genius. /

265 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:14:28pm

re: #259 Fenway_Nation

If they want to play that stupid-ass little fucking game, why don't we make it about class warfare (andother lefty agit-prop specialty) and compare Gates' Ivy-league salary with that of a Cambridge, MA police sargeant.

Let alone get into the worthiness or honor of each profession. Fortunately for the residents of Gates' neighborhood SGT Crowley will respond to the next 911 call without hesitation or thought about what happened with this call.

266 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:14:49pm

re: #260 Tats66

never been to new Orleans, but goin in a few weeks for a few days...anyone in the know have a few suggestions of must see/do?? For example, a restuarant that i MUST go to, what I MUST eat...etc...:) Too lazy to do proper research and figure someone here wld make a great guide

Bring deodorant.

267 rightymouse  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:15:29pm

re: #216 Eowyn2

I think it was this attitude that, back in the mid 70s when I was hitting puberty and discovering boys, that I looked at radical feminism and blinked; shook my head, and walked the other way.


Same thing happened to me during that time. One of the female engineers where I worked came by to show me a cartoon in a magazine (I believe it was 'MS") of a woman on the proverbial ladder of success stepping on a man's head below with a high-heeled shoe. I didn't think it was funny and she was angry with me. So I asked her if it would be funny if a man was doing the same thing to a woman in that cartoon. Well of course not, she huffed and stomped off. I don't think she liked me very much after that. **sob**

268 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:15:34pm

re: #220 Eowyn2

re: #252 unrealizedviewpoint

You're missing the most important piece of the McCain plan: limit the employer deduction for ERISA health plans to eliminate taxpayer subsidies of gold-plated health plans sponsored by large corporations. THat would dive incentives towards equalization of health benefits as between self-employed people and employees of large corporations. It also would drive consumer choice.

269 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:15:48pm

re: #266 Walter L. Newton

Lol...will do

270 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:15:55pm

Hey, at least the Cambridge police officer wasn't clinging to his gun ... only handcuffs.

271 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:16:16pm

re: #262 A Kiwi Infidel

Nice, but why is she wearing cellophane?

272 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:16:45pm

re: #256 Pianobuff

If we had decent marketers, we would embrace being the party of no with a strong ad campaign:

Damn right we are the party of no! No more spending frivolously, no more voting on bills before they are read, no more representing the politician's interests, but the people's interests, and no more growing government!

or something like that.

273 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:16:59pm

An article I wrote that wound up in the school paper last year, about my boss...

One of the main culprits of rising costs to the business owner is the level of minimum wage, which has risen in California dramatically over the years. According to California’s Department of Industrial Relations website, the minimum wage has increased $3.75 over the last twenty years. These wages have risen so that workers can pay their bills, but Mihranian says that minimum wage has put a real constraint over the flexibility and profitability of his small business.

“People want cheap labor, but the minimum is too high. And you’re not getting much for the minimum, because these teenage kids are lazy and incompetent for the most part, ” says Mihranian. “The bang for my buck is not there anymore, forcing me to cut down my workforce.”

Mihranian has a contingent of workers who get paid well above the average Baskin-Robbins employee, but he claims that if it weren’t for these workers, his business wouldn’t be profitable in any way. Instead of hiring ten or twelve people to cover various shifts throughout the week, Mihranian has cut his labor force down to cut his own costs. “Now, I have to turn to the people that I really trust, instead of hiring people who won’t give me my money’s worth.”

Yeah, Michigan. Good luck.

274 callahan23  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:17:07pm

re: #253 Floral Giraffe

Hi Cal! It is DEZes picture! How are you today?

I am fine thank you. Crazy times for me at work but else nice 'n dandy.

275 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:17:25pm

re: #260 Tats66

never been to new Orleans, but goin in a few weeks for a few days...anyone in the know have a few suggestions of must see/do?? For example, a restuarant that i MUST go to, what I MUST eat...etc...:) Too lazy to do proper research and figure someone here wld make a great guide

obviously the Quarter is a must...go to du Mondes for beignets...get some cajun food and don't listen to Walter

276 Lincolntf  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:17:25pm

re: #260 Tats66

You have to go to "Mother's" for lunch. Po'boys and a few other down-home specialties. It's a diner-like joint and you'll stand in line for a bit, but the food is unmissable.
For breakfast-ish stuff, we liked the Cafe Beignet where you sit at little tables and the neighborhood cats wander in and out between your legs. Went there every morning.
For dinner, I believe it's been proven mathematically impossible to go wrong with any of the established places in the French Quarter.

277 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:18:11pm

re: #252 unrealizedviewpoint

The best plan would be almost no plan.
Address portability issues, extend COBRA beyond 18 months, require coverage for pre-existing conditions, allow the feds to negotiate prices for pharmaceutical purchases and that's it. Period! What have I missed? And don't say there are 50 million uninsured because there aren't. 10 - 15 million are illegals. 15 - 20 million will qualify for medicaid, just make em sign up. And about 20 million are indestructible kids aged 20 - 35 who don't need insurance (so they think). They'd much rather make Lexus payments or buy a big screen TV than insurance. 50 million uninsured is bull and Øbama knows it.

Better yet, simply do away with the current set-up that forces everybody into relying on their employer for insurance. Give people the freedom to choose the job they want rather than the one that offers the best health coverage. And tort reform, as any health care "reform" with some form of tort reform is utterly pointless. Allow doctors to do away with "defensive medicine" and malpractice insurance rates will drop. And you're right, there's no "47 million uninsured," but there are uninsured and a lot of it has to do with government interference. And the last nine words we need to hear right now is "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

278 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:18:21pm

BTW, I'm sure this whole Cambridge PD fiasco is exactly what 0bama had in mind while he was watching his healthcare proposal crash and burn and saying to himself 'I really could use some sort of distraction right about now...'

279 CommonCents  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:18:23pm

re: #242 Killian Bundy

Other ballot proposals unveiled by the Democratic Party would:

• Require all employers to provide health coverage or pay a fine.

• Increase unemployment benefits by $100 a week, extend benefits by six months and make all workers eligible for unemployment. The maximum unemployment benefit is now $387 a week.

• Cut utility rates by 20 percent.

• Impose a one-year moratorium on home foreclosures.

Our new slogan...

Michigan - You wouldn't want to employ anyone here. And keep those pesky banks and utility companies out of here!

280 gatorbait  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:18:25pm

In a recent letter to the editor of my town's newspaper, a person asked the following question, "Why would we think competition and the free market will make things better" in American medicine?

I wish to answer this question.

If the market in medicine were truly free - not presently the case - every adult citizen would be able to choose a physician without limitations imposed by government or employer. Patients would have the freedom to accept or reject the judgment and opinion of the physicians whom they consult.

A major burden of fee payment would be the patient's responsibility with insurance coverage for catastrophes. If individuals had the freedom to decide how their health care dollars were spent, I am certain waste and frivolity would be reduced significantly. Health insurance would be an individual responsibility.

One could shop the market for this kind of insurance as one shops for any other service or commodity. The role of government would be limited to licensure of health care providers and insurers. Insurers would be required by government regulation to accept all applicants, irrespective of medical history, with government supplementation of premiums charged to chronically ill persons.

The only patients "rated" for higher premiums would be those with unhealthy habits: smoking, alcohol and substance abuse, dangerous hobbies, and obesity. No one would be forced to accept a government program, to include Medicare. In other words, a free market in medicine should be no different than a free market in any other activity where goods and services are provided in exchange for money.

Do you not think this would "make things better?" It would make things better for persons who value freedom and individual responsibility. It probably would not do much for persons who would be happy to let Big Brother take charge of their lives. It would certainly deprive Big Brother of an excuse to take away our hard-earned money and give it to his cronies, using our welfare as a pretext for promoting his own agenda.

281 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:18:41pm

re: #261 buzzsawmonkey

why do the dems not understand that a higher minimum wage means higher cost of goods? Do they honestly think the businesses will just suck up higher labor costs and accept lower profit? HELL NO. They increase the cost of the widget, and the net result is that minimum wage increase was no increase at all!!!

282 Bobblehead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:18:44pm

re: #237 Bloodnok

I will. Thanks for the recommendation.

I was very sad when "Extras" went bye, bye on HBO. Loved that show.

283 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:18:49pm

re: #273 TheMatrix31

An article I wrote that wound up in the school paper last year, about my boss...

Yeah, Michigan. Good luck.

What can you expect from a state who elected, and then reelected Jennifer Granholm.

284 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:18:49pm

re: #270 HelloDare

Hey, at least the Cambridge police officer wasn't clinging to his gun ... only handcuffs.

That house had a previous break in (why the front door was jammed).

/wanna bet on the response time for the next burglary call to that address?

285 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:19:10pm

re: #276 Lincolntf

Noted! Thanks all for the responses :)

286 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:19:21pm

re: #254 MJ

I know a former classmate of Rep. Maloney's who told me she's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Any Democrat throwing around old racial epithets in NYC must been deemed insane.

287 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:19:39pm

re: #223 buzzsawmonkey

Wasn't it in Paul's Epistle to the Generic Drug Manufacturers?

/no offense intended

No, I studied that chapter pretty hard before my Confirmation. It definately wasn't there. Maybe in his letters to the Alutians?

/No offense taken. Parochial grade school - thick skin:)

288 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:19:54pm

re: #201 Bloodnok

I tried Black Books once, but it didn't grab me. Should I give it a chance?

Yeah, I think it'll grow on you.

289 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:20:34pm

re: #278 Fenway_Nation

BTW, I'm sure this whole Cambridge PD fiasco is exactly what 0bama had in mind while he was watching his healthcare proposal crash and burn and saying to himself 'I really could use some sort of distraction right about now...'


Isn't that why he put Biden on the ticket? Shouldn't Joe be out on a public distraction speaking tour right about now?

290 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:20:39pm

re: #268 quickjustice

re: #252 unrealizedviewpoint

You're missing the most important piece of the McCain plan: limit the employer deduction for ERISA health plans to eliminate taxpayer subsidies of gold-plated health plans sponsored by large corporations. THat would dive incentives towards equalization of health benefits as between self-employed people and employees of large corporations. It also would drive consumer choice.

Agreed! With the $5K deduction for self employed who purchase...
I forgot the most important IMO - TORT reform / monetary caps.

291 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:20:44pm

re: #259 Fenway_Nation

If they want to play that stupid-ass little fucking game, why don't we make it about class warfare (andother lefty agit-prop specialty) and compare Gates' Ivy-league salary with that of a Cambridge, MA police sargeant.

I've done a lot of ride alongs with cops. I've seen it happen... up a ahead a car does something to attract the cops attention (try to tell the race of a driver up the road 100 yards from you on the way home).

When we get up to the car, the driver unleashes the same tirade attributed to Gates in the police reports. Only one ethnic group responds that way.

I've heard similar rants from white criminals, but it's always personal, "the man" has it out for "me."

292 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:20:47pm

re: #276 Lincolntf

You have to go to "Mother's" for lunch. Po'boys and a few other down-home specialties. It's a diner-like joint and you'll stand in line for a bit, but the food is unmissable.
For breakfast-ish stuff, we liked the Cafe Beignet where you sit at little tables and the neighborhood cats wander in and out between your legs. Went there every morning.
For dinner, I believe it's been proven mathematically impossible to go wrong with any of the established places in the French Quarter.

so true...and ride the street car up to the Garden District for the architecture and the Admirals Club

293 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:21:22pm

re: #272 ArmyWife

If we had decent marketers, we would embrace being the party of no with a strong ad campaign:

Damn right we are the party of no! No more spending frivolously, no more voting on bills before they are read, no more representing the politician's interests, but the people's interests, and no more growing government!

or something like that.

From what I remember, alot of the "negative" campaigns have been for a brand that was a clear lesser product in terms of popularity, revenue, etc. (I can't believe it's not butter, Un-Cola, etc.). I'm not sure if it's been successful in a more neck-to-neck competitive environment. Having said that, maybe we are far enough back now that it would work - ha.

294 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:21:23pm

re: #275 albusteve

obviously the Quarter is a must...go to du Mondes for beignets...get some cajun food and don't listen to Walter

Right, my family has been there since about 1789, don't know nothing about the place :)

Hey Ranger, careful.

295 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:21:33pm

re: #281 ArmyWife

why do the dems not understand that a higher minimum wage means higher cost of goods? Do they honestly think the businesses will just suck up higher labor costs and accept lower profit? HELL NO. They increase the cost of the widget, and the net result is that minimum wage increase was no increase at all!!!

And it's true. My boss has felt the massive crunch, and we just fired some stupid moron who was doing a terrible job. 9 bucks an hour for her was absolutely absurd.

296 Lincolntf  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:21:35pm

re: #260 Tats66

One other thing. If you're interested in WWII, the D-Day museum is worth going to. They have an Enigma machine along with a building-wide display of virtually every piece of equipment used in the landing. WW II vets are stationed in most rooms to give you their stories, as well as explanations for some of the less intuitive displays.

297 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:22:23pm

re: #289 soxfan4life

Didn't Joe get shipped off to Georgia (Russia's punching bag, not the state) this week?

298 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:22:34pm

Has this scandal hit your news stands yet?

Mayors and Rabbis arrested in corruption scandal

299 MJ  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:23:02pm

re: #286 quickjustice

I know a former classmate of Rep. Maloney's who told me she's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Any Democrat throwing around old racial epithets in NYC must been deemed insane.

I believe your former classmate. I really can't see why she's even running. Gillibrand has already sold out her previous moderate positions and adopted the Liberal-Left agenda of her party so where's the problem?

300 Bloodnok  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:23:32pm

re: #282 Bobblehead

I was very sad when "Extras" went bye, bye on HBO. Loved that show.

I did too. The second season was fantastic. I hope he and Steven Merchant write another show.

301 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:23:40pm

re: #298 A Kiwi Infidel

It was on the radio coming home. Sound like loverly people. What the heck is in the water in NJ?

302 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:23:53pm

Only show on HBO worth a damn is Curb Your Enthusiasm.

303 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:23:54pm

re: #281 ArmyWife

why do the dems not understand that a higher minimum wage means higher cost of goods? Do they honestly think the businesses will just suck up higher labor costs and accept lower profit? HELL NO. They increase the cost of the widget, and the net result is that minimum wage increase was no increase at all!!!

Let's hope Sarah Palin is right (referring to her WaPo editorial on Cap & Tax)... when she said that the good news is that the Dems will finally understand supply side economics.

304 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:24:04pm

re: #296 Lincolntf

Oh yah I completely forgot about that...yeah Im a huge WW2 buff...def a must see. Thanks!!

305 Bobblehead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:24:20pm

re: #300 Bloodnok

I did too. The second season was fantastic. I hope he and Steven Merchant write another show.

I think they have a movie coming out soon.

306 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:24:52pm

re: #294 Walter L. Newton

Right, my family has been there since about 1789, don't know nothing about the place :)

Hey Ranger, careful.

you know too much...and I've been drunk at Lafittes

307 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:25:20pm

re: #298 A Kiwi Infidel

Has this scandal hit your news stands yet?

Mayors and Rabbis arrested in corruption scandal

The politicians were Democrats. Odds say the rabbis are too. If there were a scandal involving a bunch Republican priests and politicians, can you imagine the press?

308 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:25:26pm

re: #301 ArmyWife

It was on the radio coming home. Sound like loverly people. What the heck is in the water in NJ?

'zackly. You know, all of these "schemes" are just houses of cards. They all collapse, eventually.

309 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:25:38pm

re: #281 ArmyWife

why do the dems not understand that a higher minimum wage means higher cost of goods? Do they honestly think the businesses will just suck up higher labor costs and accept lower profit? HELL NO. They increase the cost of the widget, and the net result is that minimum wage increase was no increase at all!!!

and more important... the job simply gets eliminated. Happens every time...

310 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:25:59pm

re: #296 Lincolntf

One other thing. If you're interested in WWII, the D-Day museum is worth going to. They have an Enigma machine along with a building-wide display of virtually every piece of equipment used in the landing. WW II vets are stationed in most rooms to give you their stories, as well as explanations for some of the less intuitive displays.

a true jem indeed...excellent reminder...just a very high quality place

311 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:26:14pm

re: #280 gatorbait

considering my dental insurance, I definately have to pick and choose which procedures are done and which aren't. No room for cosmetic dentistry.

312 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:26:16pm

re: #307 HelloDare

The politicians were Democrats. Odds say the rabbis are too. If there were a scandal involving a bunch Republican priests and politicians, can you imagine the press?


Well, thats interesting, yes, you are right. Their political affiliations are definately not the focus, are they.

313 Lincolntf  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:26:46pm

re: #304 Tats66

Enjoy your trip.

314 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:26:46pm

re: #290 unrealizedviewpoint

Some sort of tort reform is essential in health care. Rather than a cap, I personally prefer a "worker's comp-style" no-fault compensation system for injuries resulting from medical errors, coupled with a feedback loop that corrects those errors, enhancing patient safety.

315 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:26:48pm

re: #298 A Kiwi Infidel

Has this scandal hit your news stands yet?

Mayors and Rabbis arrested in corruption scandal

Heh. From your link. Guess they haven't trained their eyes on Chicago since Capone.

"New Jersey's corruption problem is one of the worst, if not the worst, in the nation," said Ed Kahrer, assistant special agent in charge of the FBI's white collar crime and public corruption

This scandal sounds like it's gonna be huge. I'll bet the O Administration is hoping so...

316 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:26:49pm

re: #301 ArmyWife

What's their political affiliations? I'm three or four paragraphs in, and no mention, which makes me think they're mostly or all (D).

317 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:26:55pm

re: #260 Tats66

never been to new Orleans, but goin in a few weeks for a few days...anyone in the know have a few suggestions of must see/do?? For example, a restuarant that i MUST go to, what I MUST eat...etc...:) Too lazy to do proper research and figure someone here wld make a great guide

You must try a muffallata, preferably at Central Grocery in the French Quarter. Expect the weather to hit the high 90's and be very muggy. Look for B&B type lodging in the Garden District and even if you don't stay there, make sure you take the trolly down Audubon and Carrollton and go by theold graceful mansions, Loyola campus, and the Zoo. Magazine Street is nothing but miles of antique shops and boutiques, great a day of shopping with the Missus, and make sure you visit the new WWII Museum ...a must see.

Look for Reine de tout on later ...she lives in Baton Rouge and can probably give more pointers.

Welcome to LGF. Nice post earlier on LEO's. :-)

318 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:27:29pm

re: #303 Pianobuff

Let's hope Sarah Palin is right (referring to her WaPo editorial on Cap & Tax)... when she said that the good news is that the Dems will finally understand supply side economics.

The dems understand supply-side, they just don't give a f**k. They got theirs.

319 Tarkus289  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:27:36pm

3 D's 1 R

320 Lincolntf  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:28:03pm

re: #310 albusteve

I was in there for 4 hours until my wife found me and told me that we HAD to get to dinner. Could have spent a week there.

321 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:28:04pm

re: #271 quickjustice

Nice, but why is she wearing cellophane?


Its definately her, but, man, she has had a makeover since the xena days.She actually looks hotter now than back then, and that must be 20 years ago!

322 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:28:16pm

re: #272 ArmyWife

If we had decent marketers, we would embrace being the party of no with a strong ad campaign:

Damn right we are the party of no! No more spending frivolously, no more voting on bills before they are read, no more representing the politician's interests, but the people's interests, and no more growing government!

or something like that.

OK... Had a few minutes to think about it...

Yes they can? No they can't!!!
(would never get used, but boy do I wish it could be so)

323 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:28:32pm

re: #309 unrealizedviewpoint

and more important... the job simply gets eliminated. Happens every time...

Union Members, Not Minimum-Wage Earners, Benefit When the Minimum Wage Rises

Supporters of raising the minimum wage argue it will raise the earnings of low-income workers. Labor unions are among the most prominent of these supporters, a fact that makes little intuitive sense, because very few union members work for the minimum wage. Unions, however, are not just being altruistic when they push to raise the minimum wage. A higher minimum wage increases the expense of hiring unskilled workers.[1] This makes hiring skilled union members more attractive and could raise the earnings of union members who compete with minimum wage workers by 20–40 percent.[2] Meanwhile, non-union, low-skilled workers' earnings actually fall due to reduced working hours and fewer job opportunities.
324 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:28:46pm
325 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:28:56pm

re: #281 ArmyWife

why do the dems not understand that a higher minimum wage means higher cost of goods?

That thought can never cross their ideological meme. Never. Ever.

326 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:29:04pm

re: #316 Fenway_Nation

The big D. Hence the reason the headline isn't REPUBLICANS SELL BODY PARTS IN NEW JERSEY - ALL REPUBLICAN MAYORS ARE IN ON THE SCHEME

327 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:29:40pm

I wanna go to NOLA...really bad now

328 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:29:58pm

BBIAW

329 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:30:04pm

re: #322 Pianobuff

Oh no they didn't?

330 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:30:04pm

re: #317 pink freud

Will do my friend, thanks for the pointers...they have ALL been written down!

331 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:30:13pm

re: #324 buzzsawmonkey

That sounds like something that would have been a specialty in Storyville, before they closed it.

*Ahum*

;-)

332 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:30:35pm

re: #320 Lincolntf

I was in there for 4 hours until my wife found me and told me that we HAD to get to dinner. Could have spent a week there.

I do that at Lafittes

333 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:30:49pm

re: #304 Tats66

Oh yah I completely forgot about that...yeah Im a huge WW2 buff...def a must see. Thanks!!

If you're a WW2 buff, you should also delve into WW1. Extremely fascinating and, IMO, redefines WW2 as WW1a.

334 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:30:56pm

re: #323 jcm


Plus the union gets more money because their percentage is on a higher wage.

335 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:31:07pm

Who was the anti-feminist author who wrote that book back in the 1970s--- "The Perfect Woman" (??) -- about surprising her husband when he came home from work by greeting him at the door dressed in nothing but cellophane?

336 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:31:18pm

re: #329 ArmyWife

Oh no they didn't?

Reminds me of Rudi throwing red meat at last year's convention. No, Nada, Zippo, Zilch...

337 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:31:19pm

good night everyone

338 snowcrash  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:31:26pm

re: #317 pink freud
Love the olive salad that tops the sandwiches. yum.

339 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:31:44pm

re: #333 Russkilitlover

If you're a WW2 buff, you should also delve into WW1. Extremely fascinating and, IMO, redefines WW2 as WW1a.

one war at a time comrade

340 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:31:57pm

Mirabel Morgan?

341 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:32:05pm

re: #337 Eowyn2

Goodnight Eowyn, enjoy your evening.

342 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:32:24pm

re: #333 Russkilitlover

Yeah I agree, I have been doin a little more readin into WW1, still alot to learn about the great War :)

343 rightymouse  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:32:36pm

re: #311 Eowyn2

considering my dental insurance, I definately have to pick and choose which procedures are done and which aren't. No room for cosmetic dentistry.

Interesting about insurance because I think it's part of the problem we have. My son's braces will cost $5,000 over 18 months. Insurance will only pay $1,000 - so we have payments out of pocket spread out over that time. An afternoon on an IV for dehydration for my step-daughter was $2,000 and insurance paid most of that even though the cost was obscene.

344 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:32:38pm

'Honour' acid attack: Muslim wife under threat as her 'lover' is stabbed and maimed by masked gang

A married Muslim woman has been warned her life is in danger after a man she is suspected of having an affair with was blinded in an 'honour' attack.

The victim is fighting for his life after a masked gang stabbed him twice and forced him to swallow sulphuric acid.

The assailants also poured acid over his body and are feared to have beaten his face with bricks, leaving him blind in one eye.

The attack was allegedly carried out because the woman's family believed she was having an affair with the 24-year-old man.

She has denied having a relationship with him.

Police have reportedly warned the woman, whose family is from Pakistan, that her life may be at risk.

Detectives from Scotland Yard were said to have given her an 'Osman warning' - a formal alert she is under threat - but she has denied that she could be at risk.

Police, who have charged two men with attempted murder, are assessing how to protect her. Sources said one of the men is the woman's brother.

Witnesses said the gang wore masks and gloves as they carried out the assault.

The victim's tongue was destroyed by the acid he was forced to swallow and his throat was severely damaged.

He suffered skull fractures and the acid caused 50 per cent burns to his body.

/is sulphuric acid in the Koran?

345 Gearhead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:32:48pm

re: #335 quickjustice

Who was the anti-feminist author who wrote that book back in the 1970s--- "The Perfect Woman" (??) -- about surprising her husband when he came home from work by greeting him at the door dressed in nothing but cellophane?

And where can I pick up a copy for my wife?

346 Lincolntf  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:33:05pm

re: #332 albusteve

Aaaarrr.

347 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:33:11pm

re: #325 Russkilitlover

That thought can never cross their ideological meme. Never. Ever.

The price of goods is not related to anything but the greed of the corporation providing the goods.

Labor, taxes, fees, cost of regulation, etc... has nothing to do with the price the corporation charges.

Didn't you know that? Or did you skip the liberal economics class and take a real one?

348 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:33:18pm

re: #344 Killian Bundy

I saw that earlier. Grisly.

349 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:33:32pm

re: #338 snowcrash

Love the olive salad that tops the sandwiches. yum.

ME TOO! I can eat it right out of the jar. And pickled okra, pickled green beans ...

OH! I almost forgot, Tats66 ...GET A REAL BLOODY MARY. Ayywhere will do.

350 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:33:47pm

re: #346 Lincolntf

Aaaarrr.

grog!

351 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:33:48pm

re: #317 pink freud

...Expect the weather to hit the high 90's and be very muggy...

Basically, expect France in August.

352 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:34:05pm

re: #339 albusteve

one war at a time comrade

Heh! But the two are so inextricably linked, one flowing logically into the other, so the speak.

353 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:34:24pm

re: #331 pink freud

HI Pink! It's good to see you!

354 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:34:57pm

re: #353 ArmyWife

HI Pink! It's good to see you!

Hi sweety! Good to see you!

You're keeping the world in order, I hope.

355 latitude51  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:35:41pm

re: #344 Killian Bundy

This is getting very tiresome.

[Link: www.montrealgazette.com...]

356 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:35:47pm

re: #342 Tats66

Yeah I agree, I have been doin a little more readin into WW1, still alot to learn about the great War :)

Start with Barbara Tuchman's "The Guns of August." Ripping yarn of fact! Also recommend "The Zimmerman Telegram."

357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:35:52pm

People behave last thread? I missed it.

358 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:36:38pm

For those observed Dr. Barack Obama, M.D. talking tonsils last night...

Nation’s ENT Surgeons Respond to President Obama’s Press Briefing Remarks on Tonsillectomy Procedures

ALEXANDRIA, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The American Academy of Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery (AAO-HNS), which represents 12,000 ear, nose, and throat surgeons in the U.S., issued this statement today in response to remarks made by President Obama during his press briefing on July 22, 2009.

Responding to a question, President Obama said, “Part of what we want to do is to make sure that those decisions are being made by doctors and medical experts based on evidence, based on what works…. Right now, doctors a lot of times are forced to make decisions based on the fee payment schedule that's out there. … the doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself, 'You know what? I make a lot more money if I take this kid's tonsils out … I'd rather have that doctor making those decisions based on whether you really need your kid's tonsils out, or whether … something else would make a difference…. So part of what we want to do is to free doctors, patients, hospitals to make decisions based on what's best for patient care.”

In reply, the AAO-HNS stated, “We, too, are in favor of evidence-based medicine that supports quality patient care. President Obama’s statement highlights the complexity of medical decisions like this. However, the AAO-HNS is disappointed by the President's portrayal of the decision making processes by the physicians who perform these surgeries. In many cases, tonsillectomy may be a more effective treatment, and less costly, than prolonged or repeated treatments for an infected throat.

“For the past several years, the Academy has been developing clinical guidelines based on evidence and outcomes research, including ‘Quality of Life after Tonsillectomy,’ a January 2008 supplement to the journal Otolaryngology—Head and Neck Surgery. We are in agreement with the President’s statement that physicians, patients, and hospitals should make the decisions, based on the evidence, about what’s best for patient care.”

359 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:36:43pm

for all us war museum buffsters...this place is a must

[Link: www.zimbio.com...]

360 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:36:44pm

Anyone from KC, STL, or CHI?

Two of my friends and I are going on a trip in a couple weeks. Flying into KC, driving to STL, driving to Chicago, and then flying back.

Tips? Restaurants? Other things I need to know? We're staying by the sports stadiums in KC, right on the river in seemingly downtown STL, and in the middle of town in Chicago...

361 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:36:45pm

re: #323 jcm

Thomas Sowell has written a lot about minimum wage going back many years. I just did a search and found a wealth of articles. Here's something from an IBD editorial:

Minimum wage laws have the same effects in Europe as they have had in other places around the world. They price many low-skilled and inexperienced workers out of a job.

Because minimum wage laws are more generous in Europe than in the U.S., they lead to chronically higher rates of unemployment in general and longer periods of unemployment than in the U.S. — but especially among younger, less experienced and less skilled workers.

Unemployment rates of 20% or more for young workers are common in a number of European countries.

Among workers who are both younger and minority workers, such as young Muslims in France, unemployment rates are estimated at about 40%.

The American minimum wage laws do enough damage without our imitating European minimum wage laws. The last year in which the black unemployment rate was lower than the white unemployment rate in the U.S. was 1930. The next year, the first federal minimum wage law, the Davis-Bacon Act, was passed. One of its sponsors explicitly stated that the purpose was to keep blacks from taking jobs from whites.

No one says things like that any more — which is a shame, because the effect of a minimum wage law does not depend on what anybody says. Blacks in general, and younger blacks in particular, are the biggest losers from such laws, just as younger and minority workers are in Europe.

362 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:37:07pm

re: #356 Russkilitlover

I think mIll start with Guns of August...sounds great..Ill read it enroute to NOLA :)

363 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:37:29pm

re: #347 jcm

The price of goods is not related to anything but the greed of the corporation providing the goods.

Labor, taxes, fees, cost of regulation, etc... has nothing to do with the price the corporation charges.

Didn't you know that? Or did you skip the liberal economics class and take a real one?

I've read "The Communist Manifesto," many times. Cheaper than a loaded college course.

364 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:37:48pm

More bad news at Lazy B.

Boeing doesn't know yet how long 787 fix will take

When might the 787 Dreamliner fly and what's the cost to fix it and get it in the air?

That was the big question dominating an early-morning earnings teleconference Wednesday between Boeing CEO Jim McNerney and Wall Street analysts, who expressed concern about the new jet program's profitability.

McNerney said Boeing is still assessing how long it will take to fix the structural flaw that has grounded the jet. The company won't have a new schedule or an estimate of the added costs until "later this quarter," he said.

365 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:37:53pm

re: #360 TheMatrix31

Anyone from KC, STL, or CHI?

Two of my friends and I are going on a trip in a couple weeks. Flying into KC, driving to STL, driving to Chicago, and then flying back.

Tips? Restaurants? Other things I need to know? We're staying by the sports stadiums in KC, right on the river in seemingly downtown STL, and in the middle of town in Chicago...

The Navy Pier and Billy Goat's in Chicago.

Gotta get a cheeseburger at Billy Goat's.

366 rightymouse  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:38:18pm

re: #256 Pianobuff

You and Syrah both bring up excellent points, and a passion to this I don't have since as I said I'm just leaning to the other side. Do you have any analogous historical examples off the top of your head that illustrate your position?

It just feels like that "Party of No" thing could haunt us - then again I'm not a political strategist and happy to be that way.

I left the Dem party after 9/11 because they were/are the party of 'no' on defense & national security. Tagging the Republican party as the party of 'no' is a Dem meme that is meaningless to me except in the context of a parent telling an errant teenager that they can't get their way.

367 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:38:27pm

re: #360 TheMatrix31

Anyone from KC, STL, or CHI?

Two of my friends and I are going on a trip in a couple weeks. Flying into KC, driving to STL, driving to Chicago, and then flying back.

Tips? Restaurants? Other things I need to know? We're staying by the sports stadiums in KC, right on the river in seemingly downtown STL, and in the middle of town in Chicago...

Chicago is a bust...forget it

368 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:38:37pm

re: #362 Tats66

I think mIll start with Guns of August...sounds great..Ill read it enroute to NOLA :)

Are you driving or flying, Tats?

369 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:38:41pm

re: #297 Fenway_Nation

Didn't Joe get shipped off to Georgia (Russia's punching bag, not the state) this week?

Yes. The only gaffe that I heard he made is he actually asked his hosts whether he could catch a Braves game while he was there.

370 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:38:43pm

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

People behave last thread? I missed it.

Lots of deletes at least on banning...
2 or 3 sleepers.

371 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:39:03pm

re: #363 Russkilitlover

Wasnt that re-released as Audacity of Hope? I cant be sure because I havnt read either one yet

/wink

372 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:39:13pm

re: #367 albusteve

Chicago is a bust...forget it

Now Obamaland. No escaping, prepare yourself. It will be brutal.

373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:39:15pm

re: #359 albusteve

I keep driving by a tank museum. Why do I keep driving by it. Gonna stop in. You just inspired me.

Yay Steve!

374 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:39:17pm

re: #363 Russkilitlover

I've read "The Communist Manifesto," many times. Cheaper than a loaded college course.

ROFL!

375 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:39:18pm

re: #352 Russkilitlover

Heh! But the two are so inextricably linked, one flowing logically into the other, so the speak.

yes they are...but I yank therefore I am

376 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:39:37pm

re: #368 pink freud

Flyin, but I have a layover as well..

377 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:40:02pm

re: #211 HelloDare

Obama stupidly stand by his "stupid" comment.

I could only watch about 20 seconds. I wanted to puke.

378 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:40:10pm

re: #373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I keep driving by a tank museum. Why do I keep driving by it. Gonna stop in. You just inspired me.

Yay Steve!

TANKS!

379 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:40:17pm

re: #367 albusteve

Chicago is a bust...forget it

I'm thinking of wearing my Nobama shirt in front of the Sears Tower.

re: #365 pink freud

The Navy Pier and Billy Goat's in Chicago.

Gotta get a cheeseburger at Billy Goat's.

Thanks! The food is scaring me. I'm going to gain 50lb on this damn trip.

380 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:41:07pm

re: #376 Tats66

Flyin, but I have a layover as well..

OK. I was going to say ...if you're passing by on I-10 you could stop and have lunch ...Cajun here puts everything New Orleans has to shame, foodwise.

381 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:41:21pm

re: #369 Truck Monkey

Yes. The only gaffe that I heard he made is he actually asked his hosts whether he could catch a Braves game while he was there.

LMAO please tell me you're joking?

382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:41:43pm

re: #378 albusteve

nice

383 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:41:45pm

re: #354 pink freud

I'm trying!

384 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:42:08pm

re: #378 albusteve

I love tanks in general, but very keen on the Germans'

OT, but have u seen the trailer of the new HBO mini series 'The Pacific" by Hanks and Speilberg? Looks amazing

385 Bobblehead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:42:13pm

re: #302 TheMatrix31

Only show on HBO worth a damn is Curb Your Enthusiasm.

Larry David? No likey. Looking forward to "The Pacific" though

386 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:42:13pm

re: #383 ArmyWife

I'm trying!

I bet you're succeeding! ;-)

387 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:42:33pm

re: #379 TheMatrix31

Thanks! The food is scaring me. I'm going to gain 50lb on this damn trip.

just teasing...Chicago is my big city...world class in every way...you just can't see and do everything in a short time...periodic visiting takes years to see it all...I always stop in at Buddy Guy's Legends for the jambalaya...he waits tables to

388 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:43:01pm

BBL - Roast chicken almost done. Time to make gravy. (Have I mentioned that I make the BEST gravy in the cosmos?)

389 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:43:17pm

re: #380 pink freud

Ill def keep that in mind for any trip involving I10..Runs thru my city anyways :)

390 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:43:53pm

re: #384 Tats66

I love tanks in general, but very keen on the Germans'

OT, but have u seen the trailer of the new HBO mini series 'The Pacific" by Hanks and Speilberg? Looks amazing

no but I'm ready when it happens

391 jcm  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:43:57pm

re: #361 HelloDare

Liberals talk about "living wage" and minimum wage in the same breath. The think "class" that there is a permanent minimum wage class. That "justice" demands someone on minimum wage gets to have the same standard of living as someone who has worked 20 years.

Minimum wage for most people is a very temporary state.

392 soxfan4life  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:44:12pm

re: #358 Pianobuff

For those observed Dr. Barack Obama, M.D. talking tonsils last night...

Nation’s ENT Surgeons Respond to President Obama’s Press Briefing Remarks on Tonsillectomy Procedures

ALEXANDRIA, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The American Academy of Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery (AAO-HNS), which represents 12,000 ear, nose, and throat surgeons in the U.S., issued this statement today in response to remarks made by President Obama during his press briefing on July 22, 2009.

Responding to a question, President Obama said, “Part of what we want to do is to make sure that those decisions are being made by doctors and medical experts based on evidence, based on what works…. Right now, doctors a lot of times are forced to make decisions based on the fee payment schedule that's out there. … the doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself, 'You know what? I make a lot more money if I take this kid's tonsils out … I'd rather have that doctor making those decisions based on whether you really need your kid's tonsils out, or whether … something else would make a difference…. So part of what we want to do is to free doctors, patients, hospitals to make decisions based on what's best for patient care.”

In reply, the AAO-HNS stated, “We, too, are in favor of evidence-based medicine that supports quality patient care. President Obama’s statement highlights the complexity of medical decisions like this. However, the AAO-HNS is disappointed by the President's portrayal of the decision making processes by the physicians who perform these surgeries. In many cases, tonsillectomy may be a more effective treatment, and less costly, than prolonged or repeated treatments for an infected throat.

“For the past several years, the Academy has been developing clinical guidelines based on evidence and outcomes research, including ‘Quality of Life after Tonsillectomy,’ a January 2008 supplement to the journal Otolaryngology—Head and Neck Surgery. We are in agreement with the President’s statement that physicians, patients, and hospitals should make the decisions, based on the evidence, about what’s best for patient care.”

Geez, now I'm going to have to walk into my Orthopaedic surgeons office and ask if he based his decisions on payment schedules or if he fixed my shattered right leg and let me walk again because it was in my best interest. Funny how we heard George Bush's clip on letting OB/GYN doctors practicing their love of women, but hear crickets on Dr. 0 and his Harvard Law School medical degree.

393 callahan23  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:45:38pm

Kuwaiti commentator defended Israeli military operation in Gaza
from the Google translator:

Claimed the report of the Israeli non-governmental organization that fought Israeli troops in the war against the Gaza Strip (Hamas!) Defeated civilians were used (the Palestinians!) As human shields, and received orders to shoot without concern for results, and claimed the report (Breaking the Silence) the destruction of the army Israeli homes and mosques and the destruction of private properties are inhabited, the report included testimony from (30) soldiers participated in the Israeli assault on Gaza during the period from (2008/12/27 - 2009/1/18), without revealing the identities of the soldiers and their fighting and any other details released . ...

Go figure. It is tedious but worth it.
Translation and original Arabic

394 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:46:16pm

re: #385 Bobblehead

Larry David? No likey. Looking forward to "The Pacific" though

Booo! Larry David is my hero. I find myself becoming more and more aligned with his neuroses every day. Scary that I'm only 21, ahahah.

re: #387 albusteve

just teasing...Chicago is my big city...world class in every way...you just can't see and do everything in a short time...periodic visiting takes years to see it all...I always stop in at Buddy Guy's Legends for the jambalaya...he waits tables to

Thanks! I hear people are extremely (and legitimately, too) nice in Chicago, and that I'll love it.

395 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:46:36pm

for me America is just one gigantic playground...NOLA is the teeder todder, Chicago is the monkey bars...and so on...I love this place

396 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:46:39pm

re: #377 Shug

I could only watch about 20 seconds. I wanted to puke.

You're a candidate for Obama care!

397 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:47:35pm

re: #394 TheMatrix31

Thanks! I hear people are extremely (and legitimately, too) nice in Chicago, and that I'll love it.


it's the mid west...but take your flak vest just in case

398 Silvergirl  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:47:42pm

re: #307 HelloDare

The politicians were Democrats. Odds say the rabbis are too. If there were a scandal involving a bunch Republican priests and politicians, can you imagine the press?

All but one.

"Among the roughly 30 people arrested by midmorning were Mayor Peter J. Cammarano III of Hoboken and Mayor Dennis Elwell of Secaucus, both Democrats, and Assemblyman Daniel M. Van Pelt, a Republican from Forked River, Ocean County."

-NYT

399 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:48:45pm

re: #397 albusteve

Thanks! I hear people are extremely (and legitimately, too) nice in Chicago, and that I'll love it.

it's the mid west...but take your flak vest just in case

Kinda worried about the proximity of my hotel to East St. Louis though, I have to say.

400 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:48:47pm

re: #377 Shug

re: #211 HelloDare


Obama stupidly stand by his "stupid" comment.


I could only watch about 20 seconds. I wanted to puke.

That makes you a candidate for 'end-of-life' care under his proposed system.

401 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:48:54pm

And I returned home. Only thing the wife does not like - the new beard ;)

402 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:49:10pm

re: #398 Silvergirl

All but one.


-NYT

That one Republican MADE the Dems do it! He hypnotized them, the evil bastard!

(wanna place bets on this being the story over at DU?)

403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:49:13pm

re: #385 Bobblehead

Larry David? No likey. Looking forward to "The Pacific" though

Hung is very good.

404 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:49:16pm

re: #398 Silvergirl

So the Headline will be.."REPUBLICAN, and others, ARRESTED"?

405 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:49:51pm

re: #401 Joshua Cohen

returned home from where?

406 3 wood  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:49:53pm

I have a modest proposal to consider on health care, what I think might be truly a free market solution to consider. Here it is:

I think one of the problems we deal with in consuming and paying for health care services is that we do not have an effective way to price compare in order to evaluate the value we are getting back and thus bring some competitive pressure on the providers. We need to find ways to be able to comparison shop for medical services just like we shop for other goods and services


For example, You would probably not go into a restaurant and order a meal without first looking at the menu and at least glancing at the prices. You would not go and buy a set of 4 tires without most likely checking the ad's and looking for a good price in your locality. But when was the last time you comparison shopped a prescription before you got it filled? Do you know ahead of time how much that MRI or CAT Scan is going to cost you? Probably not.


So I think one way to hold down health care costs and bring some free market competition to bear would be to require a price list of services and materials to be publicly available from all providers. How would you like to be able to compare prices for your prescriptions across all pharmacies in your town before you get the item filled. I know some procedures would be complicated items to price, but if we can price buildings and airplanes before they get built, I think we can price this stuff too. I think you might like to do some comparison shopping that if there was a ready way to do so.

But the way it works now it's kind of a surprise cause people with coverage just think of their copay and don't worry much about the rest. The information would also give you the room to bargain for a better price. Years ago I used to manage the health care coverage plans for my then employer and I would actually negotiate prices with some of the local hospitals who were not part of our network. They were willing to do that, if you are first armed with information of what their competition is charging.

The key is to get that information publicly available.

Call me crazy and this is unworkable, but I think there is some room here for controlling costs, but you have to have the information.

Thoughts?

407 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:50:22pm

re: #404 Tats66

So the Headline will be.."REPUBLICAN, and others, ARRESTED"?

Republican ringleader.

408 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:50:29pm

re: #403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hung is hilarious...Im a big fan of the HBO series...Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Rome, et al...just never liked Sex in the City...

409 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:50:47pm

re: #399 TheMatrix31

Kinda worried about the proximity of my hotel to East St. Louis though, I have to say.

I always clip a couple of toy hand grenades on my shirt when I visit St Loo...that city is a one day affair at best

410 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:51:05pm

re: #389 Tats66

Ill def keep that in mind for any trip involving I10..Runs thru my city anyways :)

Good!

411 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:51:06pm

Oh and I started the Dexter series from episode 1...really good so far

412 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:51:41pm

re: #381 TheMatrix31

LMAO please tell me you're joking?

Believable no? I'm joking though.

413 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:51:58pm

re: #409 albusteve

I always clip a couple of toy hand grenades on my shirt when I visit St Loo...that city is a one day affair at best

Any reason? We're staying for three days.

414 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:52:08pm
415 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:52:08pm

re: #400 Fenway_Nation

That makes you a candidate for 'end-of-life' care under his proposed system.

watching the entire clip of the One and head sycophant terry Moran , I would probably pray for death

416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:52:19pm

re: #411 Tats66

Dexter is Showtime and brilliant.

But, nobody here watches TV. Let the DERISION BEGIN!

417 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:52:59pm

re: #406 3 wood

I think I like this...but what if we do a step further and find out the true cost of items rather than the charge? Including overhead expenses, etc.

418 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:53:08pm

re: #402 ArmyWife

That one Republican MADE the Dems do it! He hypnotized them, the evil bastard!

(wanna place bets on this being the story over at DU?)

HazMat. Don't forget.

419 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:53:35pm

prolly cuz I work in an ER now, but Nurse Jackie on Shotime is excellent also

420 3 wood  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:53:41pm

re: #391 jcm

That "justice" demands someone on minimum wage gets to have the same standard of living as someone who has worked 20 years.


It's also a clever ploy in many union contracts to get a wage reopener. They build into their contract that they get a big bump if the minimum/living wage goes up during the contract term. Automatic.

421 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:53:51pm

re: #414 buzzsawmonkey

You should see their ever-evolving graveyards!

422 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:53:54pm
423 callahan23  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:54:17pm

re: #411 Tats66

Oh and I started the Dexter series from episode 1...really good so far

Dexter is adictive and mean. ;-)

424 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:54:22pm

re: #413 TheMatrix31

Any reason? We're staying for three days.

I don't know that town all that well...I've been in and out a few times and a poor resource...the museum under the arch is an absolute must, as is the arch itself...ride the capsule baby!

425 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:54:25pm
426 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:54:49pm

re: #414 buzzsawmonkey

Go to the suburbs to see the Lizzadro Museum of Lapidary Art (gemstones).

There's a lizard museum? Cool!

/readtoofast

427 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:54:57pm

re: #414 buzzsawmonkey

Chicago:

If you like classic art, check out the Art Institute.

If you like ancient art, check out the Oriental Institute on the University of Chicago campus. Also down there: the Frank Lloyd Wright Robie House, the Museum of Science and Industry (tawdry, but the last building remaining from the 1893 Columbian Exposition); Lorado Taft's Fountain of Time at the end of the Midway.

Get a Chicago hot dog: Vienna brand, with all the extras.

Go to Manny's, near Roosevelt Road, for the best corned beef sandwich ever (seeded rye bread is best); try it with a chocolate phosphate (seltzer and chocolate syrup) as beverage. Sounds weird; isn't.

Go to Oak Park on the West Side if you want to see more Frank Lloyd Wright in one place than you ever will again.

Go to the suburbs to see the Lizzadro Museum of Lapidary Art (gemstones).

The Shedd Aquarium is very, very cool.

The Chicago lakefront is magnificent.

See the Carson Pirie Scott store facade in the Loop for a good example of Louis Sullivan architecture. There is a Tiffany dome in the Marshall Field's downtown store (now called "Macy's").

Thanks dude. No art for me, but the other stuff sounds cool. We're staying in, uh, I THINK Millenium Park. Is that a good area?

428 3 wood  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:55:15pm

re: #417 ArmyWife

I think I like this...but what if we do a step further and find out the true cost of items rather than the charge? Including overhead expenses, etc.

That's a lot harder to find out.

By competition and price comparison you would get down to the minimum price anyway.

429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:55:18pm

re: #425 buzzsawmonkey

Better double check... Their votes count!

430 rightymouse  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:55:55pm

re: #406 3 wood

Good ideas.

If you look at procedures that are not covered by insurance, you see them more 'in line' with what people can typically afford, i.e. my example of braces above. I hear from Doctors that one of the reasons costs are so high otherwise is the awful liability insurance they have to pay. From what I understand, tort reform is imperative.

431 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:56:08pm

Good Evening Lizards. Will someone please point me in the direction of the meltdown on the last thread. Thanks.

432 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:56:54pm

re: #422 buzzsawmonkey

And BTW: While Chicago deep dish pizza is good, Chicago thin crust pizza beats the hell out of the chewing gum they sell as pizza in New York. The Home Run Inn on 39th Street (Pershing Road) is the best.

Yum.

433 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:56:57pm

re: #405 ArmyWife

returned home from where?

The Fatherland.
Well I visited Germany for a few days. Esp. for taking part at a commemoration for the victims of the Nazi that the building of the early real rockets like the V2 costs.
Connected to the Apollo 11 celebration and its engineer father Wernher von Braun and his early days as an Weapons SS officer.

To remember the lifes it takes pn the long way to achieve this.

434 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:57:08pm

re: #431 Erik The Red

Good Evening Lizards. Will someone please point me in the direction of the meltdown on the last thread. Thanks.

I was about to order a round of Dead Nazis for the house to go with the feast.

435 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:57:20pm

re: #431 Erik The Red

Good Evening Lizards. Will someone please point me in the direction of the meltdown on the last thread. Thanks.

Just getting here as well. Was there a flounce involved?

436 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:57:52pm

re: #433 Joshua Cohen

Welcome home. Now go shave.

437 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:58:00pm

re: #414 buzzsawmonkey

a fair turn, all that...the river bridges and the Loop, the neo entertainment district and Rush Street are still worthwhile for a first timer

438 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:58:29pm

re: #435 VegasRick

Just getting here as well. Was there a flounce involved?

No flounces, but Stinky cut a wide swathe with his banning scythe.

439 3 wood  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:58:39pm

re: #414 buzzsawmonkey

Go to the suburbs to see the Lizzadro Museum of Lapidary Art (gemstones).

That's in Elmhurst. I know the place well.

440 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:58:46pm
441 Syrah  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:58:52pm

re: #431 Erik The Red

Good Evening Lizards. Will someone please point me in the direction of the meltdown on the last thread. Thanks.

Better to not go there.

442 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:59:05pm

re: #438 Alouette

No flounces, but Stinky cut a wide swathe with his banning scythe.

Fro what number?

443 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:59:20pm

re: #440 buzzsawmonkey

It's one of those newfangled regions--I think it's right by the Art Institute.

Michigan Avenue, at that point, used to be right up against the lake; all that area is landfill. The North Michigan area, called Streeterville, was named after a gambler and gunrunner whose steamer sank offshore, and who built the land by having people dump their garbage around his boat. There were pitched battles between his squatters and the people who claimed the land as part of their riparian rights, back in the late 1800s.

If the Coliseum on South Wabash is still standing (don't know if they've torn it down), it was originally a Confederate prison moved to Chicago after the Civil War. It was the site of the notorious First Ward balls, which were attended by most of the old red light district and most of the criminal class.

I think thats the street that my hotel is on, Wabash. Interesting stuff!

444 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:59:24pm

re: #438 Alouette

No flounces, but Stinky cut a wide swathe with his banning scythe.

Anybody we knew?

445 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:59:45pm

25 people have lost their accounts today.

446 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 4:59:47pm

re: #403 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hung is very good.

I hear Soma helps.

447 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:00:34pm

re: #445 Charles

25 people have lost their accounts today.

Mr. Beaumont gets extra rations tonight?

448 rightymouse  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:00:38pm

Totally OT - but I just upgraded my browser to IE8 and it doesn't seem to like Outlook. Open IE windows seem to hang periodically if Outlook is open. Anyone else have this problem?

449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:00:42pm

re: #445 Charles

25 people have lost their accounts today.

Youch! Must be a record!

450 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:00:43pm

re: #445 Charles

25 people have lost their accounts today.

Holy moly.

I wasn't one of them, was I?

Wait a minute...

451 callahan23  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:00:43pm

Everybody recommends a restaurant or other so I might just go ahead:
Addis Abeba if you happen upon the old military airports eastern entrance is the 'Petit Paris' situated, best expad restaurant killer steak ... and the sauces plus you won't find anywhere in the country better, crispier french-fries.
///

452 sngnsgt  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:00:58pm

LOL! Chrissy Matthews is still whining about Dick Cheeney and Scooter Libby on PMSNBC.

453 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:01:09pm

re: #445 Charles

25 people have lost their accounts today.

Grandpa always said : Nothing beats a good old fashioned purge

454 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:01:18pm

re: #446 pink freud

Nice call-back, pink.

455 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:01:22pm

It shall ever and anon be known forthwith as The Thursday Afternoon Massacre.

456 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:01:23pm

re: #445 Charles

25 people have lost their accounts today.

WOW. Major meltdown. Maybe it is better I was not there for the whole thing. I could see it was getting hot. Had some chores to do.

457 Right Brain  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:01:24pm

Looks like Obama is having a bad week, this from the CNN web site, expectedly liberal

Did President Obama's briefing on health care convince you to support reform?
Yes 15% 31,734
No 54% 113,373
I already supported it 31% 66202
Total Votes: 211309

but not liberal in results, seems the left would like to have health care, too, instead of "health insurance."

458 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:01:24pm
459 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:01:45pm

BBL...

460 Bobblehead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:01:58pm

Whoa... Firefox crashed. That's the 1st time that ever happened

461 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:02:03pm

the Great Purge...

462 3 wood  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:02:04pm

re: #430 rightymouse

From what I understand, tort reform is imperative.

I agree, that would be item 2 on the plan.

What I'm trying to do here folks is come up with a free market proposal for health care. The Republicans in Congress have staff that skim these blogs, I know that for sure. Maybe we can give them a few ideas that will actually work, be part of the solution.

463 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:02:20pm
464 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:02:21pm

re: #445 Charles

Another contrast to wacko blogs...thats why I love it here

465 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:02:23pm

re: #453 Shug

Grandpa always said : Nothing beats a good old fashioned purge


Whupping

FTFY

466 Syrah  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:02:34pm

re: #460 Bobblehead

Whoa... Firefox crashed. That's the 1st time that ever happened

You just haven't driven it hard enough.

467 Tarkus289  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:02:50pm

The whole living wage scam is a joke too, they make people think it is to get wait staff, house cleaners, landscapers etc. up from $6 or $7 per hour to $14 /hr. sounds good, until they turn it on the middle class and tell the workers making $55-$75/ hr. that they will also receive the living wage. It is inevitable, that is the goal.

468 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:03:13pm

re: #444 VegasRick

From the short posts I read, no one worth knowing.

469 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:03:13pm

re: #436 ArmyWife

Welcome home. Now go shave.

Maybe - but for one to two days I will try some different looks ;)

470 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:03:31pm

re: #350 albusteve

Trivia question: Who invented "grog", and where did the name "grog" come from?

471 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:04:04pm

Did Never get the stick?

472 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:04:12pm

re: #468 ArmyWife

From the short posts I read, no one worth knowing.

Thanks!

473 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:04:16pm

re: #458 buzzsawmonkey

Also, if you like Mexican food, half of Mexico now lives in Chicago. The Pilsen district, west of Chinatown, is very Mexican and has, I'm told, a lot of good restaurants.

LOVE Mexican!

I hear there's an awesome Greek district too? Also looking for a legitimate Chicago-style steakhouse and a real nice jazz lounge/club.

474 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:04:23pm

re: #458 buzzsawmonkey

Also, if you like Mexican food, half of Mexico now lives in Chicago. The Pilsen district, west of Chinatown, is very Mexican and has, I'm told, a lot of good restaurants.

biggest Hispanic flea market in the world...over the tracks and a bit south?...I don't know the Pilsen district, but I really enjoy your travelogue

475 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:04:29pm

re: #471 Erik The Red

Did Never get the stick?

yes

476 Syrah  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:04:30pm

re: #470 quickjustice

Trivia question: Who invented "grog", and where did the name "grog" come from?

10,000 B.C.

Invented by Grog's Mom.

477 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:04:32pm
478 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:04:50pm

Reminds me of LA, christmas day, 2003.

Blue Nile - Tinseltown in the rain.

479 callahan23  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:04:55pm

re: #444 VegasRick

Anybody we knew?

Nevergiveup

480 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:04:58pm

re: #445 Charles

Smoke those bandits! ;-)

481 Tarkus289  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:05:07pm

Wow, just saw Gates' statement on TV, pretty nasty.

482 3 wood  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:05:08pm

re: #432 TheMatrix31

Try Carson's ribs in Chicago. You won't regret it.

And go to Sears Tower and the Chicago Board of Trade, where capitalism is still respected.

483 LudwigVanQuixote  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:05:21pm

Today has been a bit of a watershed for me. In all my time at LGF, I have never fully lost my temper on the boards until today.

It was in the racist photo thread and I lost it after reading post after post that said thus and such is not racist.

Apparantly the idea is that if you hate someone's politics enough it is now somehow ok say hurtful racist things about them. That of course, would be the nice side of it, in as the people spouting it, are simply interested in being as hurtful as possible in a juvenile way of arguing. They might not actually have thought through just how vile they are being.

On the other hand, of course, the people are more likely to just be fucking bigots.

So I lost it.

Go me.

Haven't done it untill today.

484 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:05:25pm

re: #475 pink freud

yes

Oh no. He was warned a few times. I hope he emails Charles and makes things right.

485 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:05:27pm

tonight would be a fine time for open registration

/

486 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:05:52pm

re: #451 callahan23

Everybody recommends a restaurant or other so I might just go ahead:
Addis Abeba if you happen upon the old military airports eastern entrance is the 'Petit Paris' situated, best expad restaurant killer steak ... and the sauces plus you won't find anywhere in the country better, crispier french-fries.
///


From Wikipedia:

Nickname(s): city of humans

Heh.

487 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:05:55pm

re: #470 quickjustice

Trivia question: Who invented "grog", and where did the name "grog" come from?

oh sure...make ME the fool...I have no idea...watery rum isn't it?

488 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:06:34pm

re: #479 callahan23

Nevergiveup

Damn. I liked him.

489 LudwigVanQuixote  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:06:58pm

re: #445 Charles

25 people have lost their accounts today.

If it was from the racist photo thread, good for you and good riddance to them.

490 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:07:05pm

re: #488 VegasRick

Damn. I liked him.

I am sure lots of us did.

491 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:07:14pm

re: #482 3 wood

Try Carson's ribs in Chicago. You won't regret it.

And go to Sears Tower and the Chicago Board of Trade, where capitalism is still respected.

For sure. Isn't the Board of Trade where this whole "tax protest" stuff rally cry started?

492 sngnsgt  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:07:25pm

re: #485 Shug

tonight would be a fine time for open registration/

The ban-stick is already warmed up./

493 callahan23  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:07:27pm

re: #486 wrenchwench

Heh.

Addis Abeba literally translated is "new flower".

494 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:07:32pm

re: #481 Tarkus289

President Obama made a serious blunder elevating Professor Gates's encounter with the Cambridge cop to the level of national discourse. Both he and Gates will come to regret that. Gates now has to force the issue in court. He has no choice. I think he'll lose.

495 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:07:38pm

re: #491 TheMatrix31

For sure. Isn't the Board of Trade where this whole "tax protest" stuff rally cry started?

that was Boston harbor

496 Tarkus289  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:08:00pm

re: #494 quickjustice

As he should.

497 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:08:26pm

re: #489 LudwigVanQuixote

If it was from the racist photo thread, good for you and good riddance to them.

Amen

498 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:08:29pm

the junior junior varsity hosting the O'reilly factor tonight

499 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:09:22pm

re: #493 callahan23

Addis Abeba literally translated is "new flower".

This would be a good nickname:

crispier french-fries
500 3 wood  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:09:23pm

re: #491 TheMatrix31

For sure. Isn't the Board of Trade where this whole "tax protest" stuff rally cry started?

I don't know.

Got to go do some chores.

Later.

*Yes Dear, coming Dear*

501 callahan23  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:09:46pm

re: #488 VegasRick

Damn. I liked him.

Head hanging low.

502 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:10:07pm

ArmyWife: I'm getting mail to you kicked back. Looks like it's a fwd to yahoo? Could you send something so I may reply?

503 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:10:16pm

re: #481 Tarkus289

Wow, just saw Gates' statement on TV, pretty nasty.

/he called Crowley a "rogue cop", this isn't going to end well for someone

504 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:10:39pm

re: #495 albusteve

that was Boston harbor

2009 version, lol

505 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:11:16pm

re: #490 Erik The Red

I am sure lots of us did.

Charles is very fair (I know from past experience). Hopefully NGU can contact him and try to get back in.

506 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:11:26pm

re: #494 quickjustice

President Obama made a serious blunder elevating Professor Gates's encounter with the Cambridge cop to the level of national discourse. Both he and Gates will come to regret that. Gates now has to force the issue in court. He has no choice. I think he'll lose.

I am staying with my Aunt and Uncle atm. They are both very lib. My Uncle said today that he thinks 44 made his first mistake over this issue. I almost dropped my scotch. I move into my own place tomorrow, maybe I should stay longer. I may have a convert in the making. :)

507 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:11:58pm

re: #487 albusteve

It's not personal, guy. Grog is rum diluted with water. Here's the origin:

[Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...]

What the definition doesn't note is that Admiral Vernon was Lawrence Washington's commander in the Royal Navy. Lawrence Washington was George Washington's brother. And Mt. Vernon, Washington's home, was named in honor of Admiral Vernon.

508 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:12:31pm

re: #505 VegasRick

Charles is very fair (I know from past experience). Hopefully NGU can contact him and try to get back in.

his paradise got paved

509 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:12:31pm

re: #505 VegasRick

Charles is very fair (I know from past experience). Hopefully NGU can contact him and try to get back in.

That's what I had to do for a misconstrued joke a while back.

510 rightymouse  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:13:13pm

re: #462 3 wood

I agree, that would be item 2 on the plan.

What I'm trying to do here folks is come up with a free market proposal for health care. The Republicans in Congress have staff that skim these blogs, I know that for sure. Maybe we can give them a few ideas that will actually work, be part of the solution.


The conundrum is that a free market proposal has to address the concept of medical insurance as a liability to the free market. I realize this is not a popular notion, but it really does have to be noted.

My FIL told me that he paid the hospital cash - about $300 - when my husband was born in the 50's. He didn't have insurance then and didn't know anyone else who had it either.

511 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:13:18pm

Uhh hu.

512 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:13:24pm

re: #491 TheMatrix31

For sure. Isn't the Board of Trade where this whole "tax protest" stuff rally cry started?

/that's exactly where the latest craze started

513 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:13:52pm

re: #508 albusteve

his paradise got paved

How bad was it?

514 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:14:06pm

Unlike Kos and others, Charles doesn't play in the gutter.

515 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:14:25pm

re: #507 quickjustice

It's not personal, guy. Grog is rum diluted with water. Here's the origin:

[Link: www.thefreedictionary.com...]

What the definition doesn't note is that Admiral Vernon was Lawrence Washington's commander in the Royal Navy. Lawrence Washington was George Washington's brother. And Mt. Vernon, Washington's home, was named in honor of Admiral Vernon.

interesting...isn't Washington credited with inventing rye whiskey?...they found his commercial still at Mt Vernon

516 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:14:30pm

re: #514 quickjustice

Unlike Kos and others, Charles doesn't play in the gutter.

No he doesn't. And that's good.

517 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:14:43pm

re: #508 albusteve

his paradise got paved

Give me a comment number so I can see for myself. Pretty Please.

518 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:14:58pm

You mean they don't think of us as patsies?

Obama's Cairo speech does little to nudge global Muslim views of America

President Barack Obama's much-heralded speech last month in Egypt did little to change America's image in the Muslim world, a survey released Thursday shows.

Muslim people were not so easily moved by Obama's speech June 4, according to interviews conducted by the Pew Research Center's Global Attitudes Project.

"This analysis suggests that the speech had little measurable impact on views of the U.S. or Obama himself," the Pew researchers said.

"However," they cautioned, "the pre-post comparisons were rudimentary ones that could only have detected a major swing in public opinion."

But with Obama's presidency, America's image has improved drastically in most parts of the world, the poll found.

"In many countries, opinions of the United States are now about as positive as they were at the beginning of the decade before George W. Bush took office," the report said.

Pew interviewed 27,000 people in 25 countries between May 18 and June 16. The margin of error is 2 percentage points in some nations and up to 4 percentage points in others.

Favorable ratings for the United States have soared in Europe and in key nations in Africa and Latin America, where belief that Obama "will do the right thing in world affairs" is almost universal. Lack of confidence in America's leadership is now the opposite.

In France and Germany, for instance, nine out of 10 people expressed confidence in Obama, giving the American president higher ratings than their own leaders Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel respectively.

519 LudwigVanQuixote  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:15:28pm

OK, so with as many facts as possible, could someone fill in anything about the Gates incident that I am missing. I am serious. I just want the facts as we understand them.

1. Someone broke into Dr. Gates' home.

2. Gates called police

3. Gates greets police who come to investigate.

4. Officer Crowley asks Dr. Gates to show identification.

5. Dr. Gates refuses and takes offence.

6. A verbal confrontation ensues.

7. Dr. Gates is arrested on a misdemeanor and released the next day.

8. Dr. Gates is now very angry and raises a stink that President Obama hears about and comments on in favor of Gates.

Please anyone add any info to this that I might be missing. Again, I am not commenting, I just want to know the whole story - and if I am missing anything.

520 latitude51  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:15:34pm

re: #445 Charles

25 people have lost their accounts today.

Will their be an obituary post later?

521 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:16:18pm

re: #503 Killian Bundy

My prediction: Gates will sue the cop for violation of his civil rights. The cop will counterclaim for defamation. The cop will get a jury verdict. Whether the cop has become a "public figure" who has lost his right to sue for defamation will be an issue.

522 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:16:21pm

re: #514 quickjustice

Unlike Kos and others, Charles doesn't play in the gutter.

Consistency matters
Intellectual honesty matters.
doing what is right, even when it may appear unpopular matters.


this blog has no equal. it is the best

523 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:16:22pm

re: #513 VegasRick

How bad was it?

don't know...don't care...abusing LGF is reckless and stupid

524 rightymouse  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:16:22pm

Time to turn into a teletubby and go couchular with the men folk.

Later!

525 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:16:26pm

re: #502 pink freud

its not yahoo, unless Mr. Armywife did that. Its the same email at verizon.net instead of the other one. Does that make sense?

526 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:16:35pm

This doesn't auger well for Gates when you have columnists in the Boston media pondering how different the situation would've been handled if one of Cambridge's 40 or so black police officers was the first one to his residence...

Gates strikes me as the type almost wishes he was living in 1961 Birmingham, AL, but is doing his level best to make 2009 Cambridge, MA into 1961 Birmingham, AL.

Only Sgt. Crowley makes for a piss-poor Bull Connor.

527 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:16:42pm

re: #517 Erik The Red

Give me a comment number so I can see for myself. Pretty Please.

There is a high probabaility that the comment is no longer around.

528 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:17:08pm

re: #517 Erik The Red

Give me a comment number so I can see for myself. Pretty Please.

the posts are gone...move on

529 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:17:14pm
530 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:17:17pm

re: #525 ArmyWife

its not yahoo, unless Mr. Armywife did that. Its the same email at verizon.net instead of the other one. Does that make sense?

Well yes, but I have comcast for you. Let me double check.

531 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:17:31pm

re: #513 VegasRick

How bad was it?

532 Lincolntf  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:17:45pm

re: #519 LudwigVanQuixote

Nobody broke into his home. Gates broke into his own home after locking himself out. Neighbor saw Gates breaking in and called the cops. Cops showed up and Gates became argumentative and uncooperative. He was charged with disorderly conduct. The charge was dismissed. Gates pulled the race card. Obama doubled down on it.

533 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:18:29pm

re: #525 ArmyWife

its not yahoo, unless Mr. Armywife did that. Its the same email at verizon.net instead of the other one. Does that make sense?

I got it. Incoming one sec.

/duh :-)

534 callahan23  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:18:44pm

re: #517 Erik The Red

Give me a comment number so I can see for myself. Pretty Please.

His comments are deleted, he bullied KT is why.

535 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:18:50pm

re: #514 quickjustice

Unlike Kos and others, Charles doesn't play in the gutter.

He does play the guitar. What are you talking about?
;-)

536 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:18:54pm

re: #398 Silvergirl

All but one.

"Among the roughly 30 people arrested by midmorning were Mayor Peter J. Cammarano III of Hoboken and Mayor Dennis Elwell of Secaucus, both Democrats, and Assemblyman Daniel M. Van Pelt, a Republican from Forked River, Ocean County."

-NYT

Pelt is obviously the ringleader. /

537 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:19:15pm

re: #530 pink freud

the new one is verizon. You aren't built in the mail (thought it transferred, but who knows) so use verizon instead of comcast. if it doesn't work, I'll blue my nic for a minute.

538 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:19:26pm

It's interesting the previous thread's photo came to light today. The juxtaposition to Gates is stunning. We'll work ourselves up into a lather about that, but the picture...? Not so much.

Telling.

539 Racer X  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:20:03pm

Hello, 9/11 what is your emergency?

Yes, I think someone is breaking in to my neighbor's house.

Is it OK if we send out a white police officer?

540 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:20:13pm

re: #534 callahan23

His comments are deleted, he bullied KT is why.

move on...and leave KT out of it

541 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:20:34pm

re: #519 LudwigVanQuixote

Gates was trying to break his way into his own locked house, a neighbor called possible burglary in progress (the same house had been burglarized in the recent past)

Officers responded, the next chain of events being discussed on every channel now lol

542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:21:05pm

re: #534 callahan23

Loves me some KT.

543 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:21:18pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

I always feel bad when somebody melts down over me. It has happened more than I care to recall. There's not much I can do about it so I've become pretty fatalistic about it.

It does happen to many of us. Kenneth and I started squabbling, and now we can't even remember what it was about... in fact I think of him as a close, if not entirely digital friend. I use that as only as an example...

The difference is that we all have to accept each other. We are family... We don't have to agree all the time, we don't have to even like each other all the time... but we do have to be civil.

Cross the line and the Lizard overlord will send you a warning, and if you ignore that... Well, as we often state, this is his house, his rules.

I guess what I am saying is this is not about you KT. As the victim you might feel guilty... you are not. It is about the people who cross the line.

Buck

544 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:21:34pm

re: #529 buzzsawmonkey

Greektown (Halsted just north of the Eisenhower expressway) has been pretty much a tourist trap for the last 25 years or so; the restaurants still line Halsted, but it's not really an ethnic neighborhood any more. On the bright side, the Skid Row which butted up to it on West Madison is pretty much gone, too.

Jazz clubs, I can't help you with; these things change too quickly. There might be something good in the otherwise-ripoff area of Rush Street; you might look into whether there is anything on North Clark (the Andersonville area has gotten very nightspotty); but as far as looking into a club in the black belt areas, tread carefully. Bronzeville (the South Forties) is no longer the warzone it was 30 years ago, but Chicago neighborhoods are very territorial, very segregated, and very gang-ridden. You need to know where you're going, because it can be dangerous otherwise. Ask at the hotel; check Chicago magazine.

BTW, the original Second City is still functioning in Chicago; whoever they've got there, it will probably be good. Chicago is a big theater town, particularly on Lincoln Avenue and at the Goodman; they export a lot of plays and actors to Broadway.

The only steakhouse I can think of is the Kinzie Steak and Chop House, but it's been so many years since I've been there that I can't say if it's still any good. There was a place famous for its steaks and lobsters in the area that is now the Clybourn Corridor, but I'm blanking on the name now. It would be located at around 1800 north and 600 west.

Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it. I'm just scared because my friends are the type to hear about places on TV or somewhere and get caught up in the commercialized hype. Those types of places are seemingly overrated, since they just expect people to come anyway. I like little-publicized, more legitimate places to go to, places that are like, "You know, everyone says go here, but if you REALLY want ___, go here."

Locals know best.

545 Tats66  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:21:55pm

re: #538 Sharmuta

I actually think alot of people worked themselves up (rightly so) over the pic...

546 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:22:34pm

re: #360 TheMatrix31

Anyone from KC, STL, or CHI?

Two of my friends and I are going on a trip in a couple weeks. Flying into KC, driving to STL, driving to Chicago, and then flying back.

Tips? Restaurants? Other things I need to know? We're staying by the sports stadiums in KC, right on the river in seemingly downtown STL, and in the middle of town in Chicago...

I know that whenever I find myself in CHICAGO, I make sure to vote...

547 LudwigVanQuixote  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:23:02pm

re: #532 Lincolntf

Nobody broke into his home. Gates broke into his own home after locking himself out. Neighbor saw Gates breaking in and called the cops. Cops showed up and Gates became argumentative and uncooperative. He was charged with disorderly conduct. The charge was dismissed. Gates pulled the race card. Obama doubled down on it.


Wait, is this verified? He locked himself out and a neighbor called the police to investigate?

OMG.

Seriously, he is angry because the police wanted him to identify himself when he was clearly doing something -even though innocent- might arouse suspiscion?

Could someone point me to something that verifies that, because if so, this is really silly. The only reason I doubt it is that simple is bc Obama said anything at all. This is not bc I like Obama, but rather, I am surprised he would be so imprudent over something where the person screaming racism would be so obviously in the wrong.

548 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:23:08pm

re: #544 TheMatrix31

google is your friend...take the time

549 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:23:50pm

re: #532 Lincolntf

Nobody broke into his home. Gates broke into his own home after locking himself out. Neighbor saw Gates breaking in and called the cops. Cops showed up and Gates became argumentative and uncooperative. He was charged with disorderly conduct. The charge was dismissed. Gates pulled the race card. Obama doubled down on it.

I think they are reporting that a week earlier someone did try and B&E at that house...

550 yochanan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:23:52pm

no jews in east jerusalem =
[Link: images.search.yahoo.com...]

the lefts bigotry.

551 Tarkus289  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:24:25pm

re: #547 LudwigVanQuixote

This is not below him, he is not that classy.

552 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:25:08pm

re: #534 callahan23

His comments are deleted, he bullied KT is why.

Sniping, IMO, is a more appropriate word. Really liked him too. {Never!}

Charles and many others have asked people to stop the incessant sniping at each other from thread to thread from week to week...

553 Tarkus289  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:25:27pm

re: #549 Buck

That should make Gates appreciate what the cop was doing, the whole stinks.

554 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:25:46pm

re: #551 Tarkus289

This is not below him, he is not that classy.

It's in his sweetspot.

555 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:26:43pm

re: #550 yochanan

But we do the apartheid thing!
/

556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:26:43pm

It is my 26th Anniversary. Wife is already in bed (without me, has to get up at 4:30 est) I'm going out drinking with some friends.

How fucked up is that?

557 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:26:54pm
558 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:27:24pm

re: #554 VegasRick

It's in his sweetspot.

/and he's now taking his "outrage" to speaking engagements

559 LudwigVanQuixote  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:27:26pm

OK, I now am thinking of Bonfire of the Vanities.

If you are breaking into your own home, and the police come to investigate, then the very first thing you do is say "Hey I live here!" and volunteer your ID to prove you are who you say you are.

Right?

Did I miss something?

How could O be so stupid as to get into this mess?

560 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:27:50pm

re: #556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

but you plan to take her out this weekend right? With a big present? Or a little present? Or a poem you wrote? Or a poem I will write for you and you can claim as your own? ;)

561 notutopia  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:27:57pm

Happy 26th Anniversary Fat Veg!

562 Tarkus289  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:28:09pm

re: #559 LudwigVanQuixote

See my 551.

563 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:28:16pm

re: #559 LudwigVanQuixote


How could O be so stupid as to get into this mess?

You can't possibly be serious/

564 callahan23  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:28:58pm

re: #559 LudwigVanQuixote

How could O be so stupid as to get into this mess?

It comes naturally to him.

565 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:29:01pm

re: #563 pink freud

You can't possibly be serious/

shit...shinola

566 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:29:02pm

re: #556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It is my 26th Anniversary. Wife is already in bed (without me, has to get up at 4:30 est) I'm going out drinking with some friends.

How fucked up is that?

Henny Youngman said the key to a long marriage was that he and his wife went out two nights a week.

he went out on Tuesdays and Fridays
She went out on Wednesday and Saturdays

/ take my wife, please

567 Gearhead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:29:12pm

re: #559 LudwigVanQuixote

How could O be so stupid as to get into this mess?

His budget deficit is accompanied by a judgment deficit.

568 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:29:13pm

re: #556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It is my 26th Anniversary. Wife is already in bed (without me, has to get up at 4:30 est) I'm going out drinking with some friends.

How fucked up is that?

VERY

569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:30:02pm

re: #560 ArmyWife

Nah. I am a romantic beyond words...

The wife? Not so much...

My wife says things like... "A poem? You've got to be fucking kidding me!"

Sigh...the light of my life.

570 LudwigVanQuixote  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:30:09pm

re: #556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It is my 26th Anniversary. Wife is already in bed (without me, has to get up at 4:30 est) I'm going out drinking with some friends.

How fucked up is that?

ROSES. Roses have never failed me. I know it sucks to be out on your own tonight, but seriously buy her some roses for the weekend as a "place holder.'

571 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:31:26pm

re: #569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

if Mr. Armywife wrote a poem, it would go something like this:

Roses are red
violets are blue
can I now FU?

572 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:31:31pm

re: #570 LudwigVanQuixote

ROSES. Roses have never failed me. I know it sucks to be out on your own tonight, but seriously buy her some roses for the weekend as a "place holder.'

I concur...one rose for every year.

573 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:31:37pm

re: #556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It is my 26th Anniversary. Wife is already in bed (without me, has to get up at 4:30 est) I'm going out drinking with some friends.

How fucked up is that?

{FBV} Just pland for something awesome this weekend.

574 formercorpsman  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:32:08pm

re: #406 3 wood

3 it is interesting you bring this up. I agree, and in addition to being on the provider side, I also have pretty extensive involvement with the reimbursement side.

I don't know how much you know about the system itself, but essentially everything is driven by what Medicare does, (Now CMS) as it relates to paying for the services.

You can trace this debacle back to 1966, when the government started taking the market component out of the equation.

ICD9, CPT, DRG, modifiers, etc. It is a huge amount of red tape just to get claims processed. Way too long to go into here.

Long story short, up where I am at, there are out radiology facilities on every corner, physical therapy, you name it. One of the MRI places was over asking for more referrals, and I told them why not take the folks with high deductible plans, offer them the discounted rate (equal to what they actually get paid contractually from the Blues, Aetna, etc) and they can clear the account without having to incur the overhead of paying someone to submit the claim, wait to post the payment, (as long as everything goes well).

After 2 months, they thanked me for the suggestion.

575 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:32:19pm

re: #570 LudwigVanQuixote

ROSES. Roses have never failed me. I know it sucks to be out on your own tonight, but seriously buy her some roses for the weekend as a "place holder.'

JOKE!

Woman to Friend...
Woman, agitated..."My husband sent me a dozen roses."
Friend, "What's wrong with that?"
Woman, "I'll have to have my legs in the air the whole weekend!"
Friend, "What? Don't you have a vase?"

576 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:32:34pm

re: #559 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, I now am thinking of Bonfire of the Vanities.

If you are breaking into your own home, and the police come to investigate, then the very first thing you do is say "Hey I live here!" and volunteer your ID to prove you are who you say you are.

Right?

Did I miss something?

How could O be so stupid as to get into this mess?

He thinks we're too stupid to check out the facts.

577 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:32:53pm

re: #553 Tarkus289

That should make Gates appreciate what the cop was doing, the whole stinks.

No, no, no, a "rogue cop" hassled and arrested him simply because he is black. It couldn't possibly be because he was over the top obnoxious.

Like I said, this isn't going to end well for someone.

/and TOTUS is fanning the flames

578 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:32:54pm

re: #547 LudwigVanQuixote

I think this is one of those situations where you had to be there to call it one way or the other.

579 Racer X  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:32:58pm

re: #571 ArmyWife

if Mr. Armywife wrote a poem, it would go something like this:

Roses are red
violets are blue
can I now FU?

What a sweet-talker!

LOL!

580 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:33:21pm

re: #576 MandyManners

He thinks we're too stupid to check out the facts.

It's been working for him so far

not us, but most Americans

581 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:33:23pm
582 David Simon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:33:26pm

re: #473 TheMatrix31

LOVE Mexican!

I hear there's an awesome Greek district too? Also looking for a legitimate Chicago-style steakhouse and a real nice jazz lounge/club.

You'll want to check out Frontera Grill in River North. The chef, Rick Bayless has written several cookbooks, and he hosted a PBS show which focused on Mexican cuisine. If you go, make sure you order the ceviche tostadas.

Greek Town is on Halsted street in the West Loop. The restaurants are decent; nothing special

For jazz, I'm told (I'm not a fan) that this is the place:

[Link: www.greenmilljazz.com...]

If you go, it's a hop, skip and a jump to Little Viet Nam. Hit Argyle Street if you want an athentic experience; hit Pasteur (right near the Green Mill) if you want more upscale, French colonial dining.

583 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:33:46pm

re: #571 ArmyWife

Howabout?...

Roses are red;
DO ME!

584 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:33:54pm

re: #571 ArmyWife

if Mr. Armywife wrote a poem, it would go something like this:

Roses are red
violets are blue
can I now FU?

Does he have a brother?

585 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:34:26pm

re: #559 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, I now am thinking of Bonfire of the Vanities.

If you are breaking into your own home, and the police come to investigate, then the very first thing you do is say "Hey I live here!" and volunteer your ID to prove you are who you say you are.

Right?

Did I miss something?

How could O be so stupid as to get into this mess?


A complete lack of astuteness imo. He has found no need to screen or censure his own comments for so long, he lacks the astuteness to do so. He openly admitted he didn't know all the facts, but passed judgment anyway.
I will also say that spending 20 years in Rev. Wright's church did not help either. Lots of people insisted it did not matter. All things considered, perhaps it does, after all.

586 LudwigVanQuixote  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:34:28pm

re: #563 pink freud

You can't possibly be serious/

If this all went down the way you guys are telling me it did...

Well, I'm genuinely surprised. Like I've said, I'm not a particular fan of O's, but I would have expected him to look more carefully before making any comments - not because I like him - but rather because he never struck me as that stupid.

He has just handed the right all sorts of ammo. However, on the other hand, maybe O is even more smart. With all of the racist crap the right has been pulling, for the GOP types to cry reverse racism might just end up in a sting.

I don't know.

I do know that all of this strikes me as utterly foolish at this point.

587 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:34:43pm

re: #583 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

PERFECT! A man after my heart.

588 formercorpsman  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:34:49pm

re: #574 formercorpsman

Disregard, I see 3 had to split while I was typing this.

589 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:35:14pm

re: #583 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Happy Anniversary!

590 Gearhead  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:35:43pm

Roses are red,
Violets are blue.
I've got the right tool,
Can I have a screw?

591 Tarkus289  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:35:46pm

Good article on Gatesgate. (my term)

Spot the racist

592 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:35:49pm

re: #586 LudwigVanQuixote

I apologize for my snark earlier, Ludwig.

He always struck me as that stupid.

593 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:36:05pm

re: #590 Gearhead

Oh dear. Look what I've started.

594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:36:13pm

Thanks for the wishes, y'all... but buds are waiting... barrr...

595 LudwigVanQuixote  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:36:14pm

re: #575 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

JOKE!

Woman to Friend...
Woman, agitated..."My husband sent me a dozen roses."
Friend, "What's wrong with that?"
Woman, "I'll have to have my legs in the air the whole weekend!"
Friend, "What? Don't you have a vase?"


OMG, that is so not fair...I am at the lab and I spluttered Coca-cola on my monitor.

596 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:36:59pm

re: #595 LudwigVanQuixote

Damn funny joke...
Punchline? Outta nowhere!

597 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:37:11pm
598 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:37:34pm

re: #594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have one for me!

599 formercorpsman  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:38:21pm

re: #597 buzzsawmonkey

You know I had tears in my eyes with the Walrus.

600 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:38:35pm

This darn Nirther thing seems to have more lives than a cat - it just won't go away.
So why doesn't Barack Obama just put an end to the controversy by producing the birth certificate? Either he wants the nirther controversy to continue for political reasons, or he is unable/unwilling to produce the birth certificate.
The official Hawaiian document which was produced does provide legal proof of birth and does refer to an actual birth certificate number, but is not itself a copy of the birth certificate, and it does not contain the same information, including the names of the hospital or the attending doctor.
If the birth certificate cannot be produced then he could say so.
Otherwise, if he has the birth certificate his refusal to produce it seems mischievous but certainly not illegal.
The only other theoretical possibility - that the official Hawaiian document is a fraudulent document - is allegedly too remote for anyone except the most devoted and crazy right-wing conspiracy theorists to even contemplate.
Allegedly.

601 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:39:29pm
602 freetoken  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:39:32pm

BTW, Chris Matthews had Gordon Liddy on his show today... where Liddy defends 'nirtherism.

Would it be fair to conclude that 'nirtherism is growing?

603 formercorpsman  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:39:45pm

re: #600 Spare O'Lake

I think he benefits from having the clowns keep screaming about it. It draws attention away from the real issues.

604 callahan23  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:40:01pm

OK y'all my eyes are heavy with sleep now.
See y'all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. Really!

605 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:40:49pm

re: #559 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, I now am thinking of Bonfire of the Vanities.

If you are breaking into your own home, and the police come to investigate, then the very first thing you do is say "Hey I live here!" and volunteer your ID to prove you are who you say you are.

Right?

Did I miss something?

How could O be so stupid as to get into this mess?

What if you are a well known public figure? Might that possibly contribute to one's incredulity at being asked for ID?

And this:

Cops showed up and Gates became argumentative and uncooperative.

To me, who was being the asshole here depends on the details of exactly what was said/done, and they aren't given here.

606 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:41:03pm

re: #578 Jimmah

I think this is one of those situations where you had to be there to call it one way or the other.

bull shit,
common sense tells you that a police officer arriving at your home to protect you and your property from a home invasion should make the property owner happy and thankful.
but no, gates copped an attitude because he is a an angry racist trouble maker, much like o.
most people would welcome the presence of the police, especially someone in gates position who had been robbed before, by his own admission.
all he had to do was prove his identity. and not spew hatred and aggression.
he couldn't do that.

607 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:41:14pm

re: #586 LudwigVanQuixote

Henry Louis Gates, Jr. Police Report

/above the law, how dare you arrest him, don't you know who and what color he is?

608 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:42:06pm

re: #600 Spare O'Lake

The certificate of live birth that Barack Obama released is the ONLY type of document that the state of Hawaii releases to the public. It's legal proof of birth.

And the state has officially certified that they DO have the original birth certificate.

End of story. (Except that the kooks just won't stop.)

609 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:42:11pm

re: #600 Spare O'Lake

This darn Nirther thing seems to have more lives than a cat - it just won't go away.
So why doesn't Barack Obama just put an end to the controversy by producing the birth certificate? Either he wants the nirther controversy to continue for political reasons, or he is unable/unwilling to produce the birth certificate.
The official Hawaiian document which was produced does provide legal proof of birth and does refer to an actual birth certificate number, but is not itself a copy of the birth certificate, and it does not contain the same information, including the names of the hospital or the attending doctor.
If the birth certificate cannot be produced then he could say so.
Otherwise, if he has the birth certificate his refusal to produce it seems mischievous but certainly not illegal.
The only other theoretical possibility - that the official Hawaiian document is a fraudulent document - is allegedly too remote for anyone except the most devoted and crazy right-wing conspiracy theorists to even contemplate.
Allegedly.

popular thought is that BO is using troofer nonsense against them for political milage...whatever...I have only seen a picture of the short cert on the net...anything is possible...this is Chicago politics here...they will call me a kook because I'm ambivalent

610 Syrah  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:42:16pm

re: #602 freetoken

BTW, Chris Matthews had Gordon Liddy on his show today... where Liddy defends 'nirtherism.

Would it be fair to conclude that 'nirtherism is growing?

Not based on that.

Liddy was probably always a nirther.

611 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:42:37pm

re: #602 freetoken

I had a plant manager from another site try to go down this road today. This is a highly educated person. I corrected, but not as strongly as I would have liked as I'm HR and my direct supervisor was in the room (visiting me from corporate). It took a lot of work not to say "Are you f'n kidding me?", I must admit.

612 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:42:53pm

Ah--up for air. Will be late night here. What's up?

613 David Simon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:43:26pm

re: #605 Jimmah

What if you are a well known public figure? Might that possibly contribute to one's incredulity at being asked for ID?

He's so well known, his own neighbor (the one who called the cops) doesn't know him.

614 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:43:45pm

re: #604 callahan23

OK y'all my eyes are heavy with sleep now.
See y'all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. Really!

Good Night Cal23

615 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:44:03pm

JOHN STOSSEL: The Arrogance of Health Care Reform: Why do politicians with no business experience think they can run 15 percent of the economy?

“Most people are oblivious to F.A. Hayek’s insight that the critical information needed to run an economy—or even 15 percent of one—doesn’t exist in any one place where it is accessible to central planners. Instead, it is scattered piecemeal among millions of people. All those people put together are far wiser and better informed than Congress could ever be. Only markets—private property, free exchange, and the price system—can put this knowledge at the disposal of entrepreneurs and consumers, ensuring the system will serve the people and not just the political class.”

John Stossel for president.

616 hazzyday  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:44:04pm

One solution for our society is to make consumerism race neutral. When producers make commercials requirement them to select the race roles randomly. So your family commercial for Captain Crunch has an Asian father, an African Mother, A Caucasian son, and an aboriginal daughter. Pull the numbers from a hat. Make the message a common one whatever the sale is for.

617 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:44:13pm

re: #613 David Simon

He's so well known, his own neighbor (the one who called the cops) doesn't know him.

hahaha!...stealth celebrity

618 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:44:18pm

re: #600 Spare O'Lake

For whom is the continuing undead lumbering of the nirth konspiracy a problem? Obama, or the GOP?

Therein lies your answer.

619 notutopia  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:44:32pm

re: #608 Charles

The kooks can't stop. It's a requirement symptom of kookism.

620 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:44:41pm

re: #610 Syrah

Not based on that.

Liddy was probably always a nirther.

I met him. Actually have an autographed copy of will (oh, foolish youth). He's small but intimidating.

621 Silvergirl  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:44:47pm

re: #556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It is my 26th Anniversary. Wife is already in bed (without me, has to get up at 4:30 est) I'm going out drinking with some friends.

How fucked up is that?


Write "Happy Anniversary, let's set a date for a real celebration."
Tape it to the bathroom mirror.
Wake up in time to kiss her good-bye in the morning if you don't already.

622 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:45:17pm

re: #609 albusteve

I think he has proven he is who he is in all sense of the word. I also believe he is using this as a way to point to the right as being a bunch of loons. We should stop perpetuating that. When, oh when, will we stand up and say "troofers and paulians! Go forth and do whatever, but not in the name of the GOP!"

623 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:45:33pm

re: #619 notutopia

The kooks can't stop. It's a requirement symptom of kookism.

Duracell Kookbunnies

624 tradewind  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:46:00pm

re: #266 Walter L. Newton

(Walter...that's frivolous. Besides, deodorant is useless when pittted against garlic and cayenne oozing out of every pore. But no matter).
Bring your appetite. And laissez les bon temps rouler.

625 Syrah  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:47:07pm

re: #620 calcajun

I met him. Actually have an autographed copy of will (oh, foolish youth). He's small but intimidating.

I get the feeling that his is a reality on the edge.

626 formercorpsman  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:47:17pm

re: #616 hazzyday

Sounds like a Dave Chappell episode.

627 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:47:33pm

re: #515 albusteve

Rye whiskey? That I don't know. I always thought the Americans were famous for their corn liquor.

628 hazzyday  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:48:15pm

re: #615 FrogMarch

I agree with Stossel on this. When one person thinks they are so smart that they can lock themselves in an ivory tower and make the critical decisions to run a society fairly for everyone. FAIL. That's Mao's China.

You have a dollar bill and you have a vote. Government and business should be geared so that you have the most choices, access to information, and you dollar and vote compete equally with everyone elses.

629 notutopia  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:48:23pm

re: #623 albusteve

Yep. The whole lot of 'em. Kook bunnies all beating their little drums marching in a row.

630 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:49:00pm

re: #622 ArmyWife

I think he has proven he is who he is in all sense of the word. I also believe he is using this as a way to point to the right as being a bunch of loons. We should stop perpetuating that. When, oh when, will we stand up and say "troofers and paulians! Go forth and do whatever, but not in the name of the GOP!"

I have never promoted trooferism...who knows what goes on outside the little box I live in...nothing surprises me anymore, and that did not start last Nov

631 hazzyday  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:49:08pm

re: #626 formercorpsman

Sounds like a Dave Chappell episode.

Maybe we would end up like that. Lol... the wackiverse

632 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:49:54pm

re: #629 notutopia

Yep. The whole lot of 'em. Kook bunnies all beating their little drums marching in a row.

wearing their RayBan wraparounds

633 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:50:05pm
634 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:50:23pm

re: #627 quickjustice

Rye whiskey? That I don't know. I always thought the Americans were famous for their corn liquor.

I love the USA, but we make bourbon here. Not scotch. Leave that to the Scots or the Irish please.

635 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:51:25pm

re: #630 albusteve

I don't think you have, and I know you aren't a nither type. I was just carrying on the conversation with you. Chatting in agreement, if you will.

636 David Simon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:51:26pm

re: #615 FrogMarch

JOHN STOSSEL: The Arrogance of Health Care Reform: Why do politicians with no business experience think they can run 15 percent of the economy?

Because the people who voted for them thought they could run the whole country.

637 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:51:30pm

re: #606 nyc redneck

bull shit,
common sense tells you that a police officer arriving at your home to protect you and your property from a home invasion should make the property owner happy and thankful.
but no, gates copped an attitude because he is a an angry racist trouble maker, much like o.
most people would welcome the presence of the police, especially someone in gates position who had been robbed before, by his own admission.
all he had to do was prove his identity. and not spew hatred and aggression.
he couldn't do that.

Police officers, by nature, suspect everyone they come into contact with. Everyone! And rightly so. What would have happened had the officer allowed the man on Gates stoop to leave without verifying his identity, had it not been Gates but an actual intruder?

638 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:52:14pm

re: #606 nyc redneck

bull shit,
common sense tells you that a police officer arriving at your home to protect you and your property from a home invasion should make the property owner happy and thankful.
but no, gates copped an attitude because he is a an angry racist trouble maker, much like o.
most people would welcome the presence of the police, especially someone in gates position who had been robbed before, by his own admission.
all he had to do was prove his identity. and not spew hatred and aggression.
he couldn't do that.

Does common sense also tell you the exact details of what was said/done by whom? For example, was there something in the cops behaviour that resulted in his becoming 'argumentative and uncooperative"?

You could well be right of course - Gates may have been acting like a puffed up asshole and the cops might just have been doing their job. But I can also imagine scenarios in which the cops were the real assholes of the piece. Maybe that's because I've seen cops be assholes and pick on innocent people before, and then polish their story.

639 notutopia  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:52:18pm

re: #632 albusteve

Those are to keep the solar flares from singeing their retinas when the EMP blast occurs.

640 Tarkus289  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:52:45pm

re: #637 unrealizedviewpoint

Then Gates would have said it was racism and racial profiling. You can not win.

641 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:53:15pm

I don't know the facts in the Gates case, so I won't comment. I'll wait for the facts

/ There Mr President, see it isn't so hard

642 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:53:16pm

re: #627 quickjustice

Rye whiskey? That I don't know. I always thought the Americans were famous for their corn liquor.

they are but back in the day rye was a lot more popular than it is now...I don't think Washington invented it, but he did distill the stuff

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

643 formercorpsman  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:53:53pm

re: #633 buzzsawmonkey

he actually said "Yo mama"

(Elizabeth, here I come!)

644 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:54:06pm

o is too confident at this point. hasn't anyone told him his polls are going down or are they all afraid to be the messenger of this devastating news.
apparently o still thinks he reigns supreme, how else would the anointed one still feel bold enough to say something so ridiculous as : 'i don't know any of the facts but the cop behaved stupidly.'

i bet he still thinks he can make people faint w/ his mere presence.

645 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:54:14pm

re: #608 Charles

The certificate of live birth that Barack Obama released is the ONLY type of document that the state of Hawaii releases to the public. It's legal proof of birth.

And the state has officially certified that they DO have the original birth certificate.

End of story. (Except that the kooks just won't stop.)

I cannot imagine that the Hawaiian document is a fraud - but I guess the kooks can. Oh well, what do I know.

646 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:54:25pm

re: #633 buzzsawmonkey

Henry Louis Gates should have stayed calmer
And not yelled at the police, "Yo' mama!"
Upon request that he
Prove his identity,
Even though he's a friend of Obama

As we all know 0's friends are all above reproach!
*scumbags

647 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:54:35pm

re: #641 Shug

I don't know the facts in the Gates case, so I won't comment. I'll wait for the facts

/ There Mr President, see it isn't so hard

+1000 if I had them Shug. Well said.

648 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:54:44pm

OK lizards... stop the grab-a$$ing we have important news.

Angelina Jolie is visiting Iraq.

649 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:55:06pm

re: #627 quickjustice

Rye whiskey? That I don't know. I always thought the Americans were famous for their corn liquor.

I read recently that my home (and current) state or Maryland was once famous for rye. Apparently there's a brand that's so rare, a bottle can be worth $10,000. Can't remember the name though.

650 LudwigVanQuixote  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:55:22pm

re: #605 Jimmah

To me, who was being the asshole here depends on the details of exactly what was said/done, and they aren't given here.

Jimmah,

I'm in academia. I know lots of bigger fish than this professor. None of them would expect the police to know them on sight. Then again, perhaps this fellow is also on a bunch of city organizations. I don't know, but I do hear you.

In a very real sense I hope you are correct. If you aren't, then O's actions are more than a little creepy.

651 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:55:30pm

re: #633 buzzsawmonkey

Henry Louis Gates should have stayed calmer
And not yelled at the police, "Yo' mama!"
Upon request that he
Prove his identity,
Even though he's a friend of Obama

Nirther!

652 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:55:48pm

re: #635 ArmyWife

I don't think you have, and I know you aren't a nither type. I was just carrying on the conversation with you. Chatting in agreement, if you will.

I know...Bigfoot is another matter, he rocks

653 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:56:55pm

re: #652 albusteve

We have a big, BIG frog in our pond out back. We've dubbed him the Pondness Monster. He may know Bigfoot, maybe?

654 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:57:12pm

re: #639 notutopia

Those are to keep the solar flares from singeing their retinas when the EMP blast occurs.

Men in Pink

655 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:57:17pm

re: #608 Charles

And the state has officially certified that they DO have the original birth certificate.

End of story. (Except that the kooks just won't stop.)

For the kooks, this just means the state of Hawaii are part of the conspiracy as well. If that's where the kooks want to go, I'm sure the Dems are happy to let them.

656 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:57:41pm

re: #648 experiencedtraveller

OK lizards... stop the grab-a$$ing we have important news.

Angelina Jolie is visiting Iraq.

And Michael Jackson is still dead!!!

657 MikeySDCA  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:57:43pm

re: #650 LudwigVanQuixote

Many of Bambi's actions are more than a little creepy.

658 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:58:17pm
659 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:58:42pm

re: #649 Mad Al-Jaffee

I read recently that my home (and current) state or Maryland was once famous for rye. Apparently there's a brand that's so rare, a bottle can be worth $10,000. Can't remember the name though.

Here you go.
George Washington, Whiskey Maker

Work on the distillery began in October, 1797 and by early March 1798, a 75 by 30-foot distillery with five copper pot stills was built and fully operational. Indeed, Anderson kept production fairly steady. Washington’s Mount Vernon whiskey venture went from producing just over 600 gallons in 1797 to nearly 4,500 gallons in 1798, to about 11,000 gallons in 1799. Washington’s profits, says Pogue, followed the same trajectory “from £83 to £334, to more than £600,” or about $7,500—close to $120,000 today. Clearly, Washington’s rye whiskey operation was a success.

660 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:58:44pm

wow, just watching the talking heads bashing Dr Regina Benjamin ( Obama's surgeon general candidate) for her weight.

she looks baraey over-weight standing next to the malnourished Kathleen Sebelius and the knobby kneed Obama

this is bullshit.


C Everett koop had a pot belly.

I see double standard here.

661 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:59:04pm

re: #653 ArmyWife

We have a big, BIG frog in our pond out back. We've dubbed him the Pondness Monster. He may know Bigfoot, maybe?

oh yeah...they all stick together, Bigfoot, Bigfrog, Bigpig

662 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:59:30pm

re: #641 Shug

I don't know the facts in the Gates case, so I won't comment. I'll wait for the facts

You can read the police report. There were plenty of witnesses too.

/two stories walk in, theoretically one party will have to apologize, but don't expect any until this escalates some more, and TOTUS already took a side, so he's on the hook along with his "yo mama" buddy

663 notutopia  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:59:31pm

re: #656 Mad Al-Jaffee

re: #656 Mad Al-Jaffee

And Michael Jackson is still dead!!!

And so is the
Yo quiero Taco Bell Chihuahua!

664 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:59:32pm

Here is the Gatesgate police report.

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Prof. Gates seems to have a bit of a chip on his shoulder if the police report is to be believed.

665 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 5:59:46pm

re: #659 Erik The Red

Thanks. Yet another reason to respek George Washington.

666 OldScouter  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:00:07pm

re: #661 albusteve

oh yeah...they all stick together, Bigfoot, Bigfrog, Bigpig

I think it was called "HOGZILLA".

667 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:00:12pm

Gates, whom Obama identifies as his friend, is nothing less than the latest asshole to become a member of his pantheon of heroes.

Starting to get a clue out there, America?

668 David Simon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:00:13pm

I think the fact that Cornell West has never been arrested for suspicion of being high on drugs is proof that cops are circumspect when it comes to arresting professors.

669 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:00:28pm

re: #661 albusteve

Bignirther... ;)

670 formercorpsman  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:00:42pm

Have a good night guys. I just caught up with a friend online I have not seen for about 15 years.

671 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:00:47pm

re: #648 experiencedtraveller

OK lizards... stop the grab-a$$ing we have important news.

Angelina Jolie is visiting Iraq.

Oh? Is she looking for another adoptee?

672 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:00:49pm

So - anyone seen any pictures of any black men with bones through their noses that, despite such a depiction, carry no racial overtones whatsoever lately?

Neither have I.

673 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:01:00pm

re: #660 Shug

wow, just watching the talking heads bashing Dr Regina Benjamin ( Obama's surgeon general candidate) for her weight.

she looks baraey over-weight standing next to the malnourished Kathleen Sebelius and the knobby kneed Obama

this is bullshit.

C Everett koop had a pot belly.

I see double standard here.

C. Everett looked like Santa Claus. The Libruls, it seems, are eating their own.

674 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:01:50pm

re: #650 LudwigVanQuixote

Jimmah,

I'm in academia. I know lots of bigger fish than this professor. None of them would expect the police to know them on sight.

Fair enough, it was just a suggestion - I wasn't sure how well known he was to be honest. For some reason I had thought he was a lot more well known than your average academic.

In a very real sense I hope you are correct. If you aren't, then O's actions are more than a little creepy.

If I'm wrong, then yes, it's corrupt.

675 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:02:02pm

re: #671 BlueCanuck

Oh? Is she looking for another adoptee?

She does do some amazing work and is not a moonbat.

676 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:02:28pm

gates is an african american studies prof.
he is of the same mindset as o the community agitator.
african american studies should be a sub-category of history or anthropology.
as long as it exists as a separate grievance study we are going backwards.
it really has to stop being "us and them".

677 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:02:33pm
678 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:03:48pm

re: #660 Shug

wow, just watching the talking heads bashing Dr Regina Benjamin ( Obama's surgeon general candidate) for her weight.

she looks baraey over-weight standing next to the malnourished Kathleen Sebelius and the knobby kneed Obama

this is bullshit.

C Everett koop had a pot belly.

I see double standard here.

Did she gain her weight by eating organic food? That would be okay.
If she got that way by eating cheap foreign junk food from Walmart, fire her ass.

679 OldScouter  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:03:55pm

re: #677 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, he looked like Captain Peleg signing up sailors for the Pequod.

Santa Claus has a mustache; Koop had the beard-without-mustache look.

Not as intimidating a look as Gregory Peck, but definitely a Captain Ahab look.

680 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:03:59pm

re: #677 buzzsawmonkey

Yo, check it out! Ali G interviews C. Everett Koop:

681 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:04:11pm

re: #664 ArmyWife

Here is the Gatesgate police report.

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Prof. Gates seems to have a bit of a chip on his shoulder if the police report is to be believed.

/subject to cross examination, it's undisputed admissible in court

682 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:04:25pm

"0"(pronounced zero) was born in Kenya = Gore won in 2000

neither will ever go away

683 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:04:37pm

re: #677 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, he looked like Captain Peleg signing up sailors for the Pequod.

Santa Claus has a mustache; Koop had the beard-without-mustache look.

True. Sorry. I just remember hanging out at his apartment and g*tting shitfaced and eating snack foods. My, how times have changed. I miss the 80's.
/

684 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:05:30pm

re: #678 HelloDare

Did she gain her weight by eating organic food? That would be okay.
If she got that way by eating cheap foreign junk food from Walmart, fire her ass.


what?...fire her ass?

685 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:05:49pm

re: #675 Erik The Red

She does do some amazing work and is not a moonbat.


Sorry, but sometimes my celebrity threshold is set to permanent sarcasm.

686 OldScouter  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:05:53pm

re: #683 Truck Monkey

True. Sorry. I just remember hanging out at his apartment and g*tting shitfaced and eating snack foods. My, how times have changed. I miss the 80's.
/

I miss the 50's, but I am too old to remember why.

687 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:05:58pm

re: #684 albusteve

what?...fire her ass?

/

688 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:06:58pm

This looks good:

Artificial brain '10 years away'

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

689 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:07:13pm

re: #671 BlueCanuck

Oh? Is she looking for another adoptee?

Apparently she is a representative of the United Nations High Commision on Refugees.

or, in common language,

I BLAME BUSH.

/

690 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:07:34pm

re: #686 OldScouter

I miss the 50's, but I am too old to remember why.

Let me help. What it the Bras that made womens bah zooms look like the Grill of a '57 Cadillac El Dorado?
/

691 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:07:35pm

re: #685 BlueCanuck

Sorry, but sometimes my celebrity threshold is set to permanent sarcasm.

Hey no problem I get it. And she is DAMN HOT.

692 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:07:47pm

re: #625 Syrah

yep. That's the impression with which I was left.

693 OldScouter  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:08:12pm

re: #690 Truck Monkey

Let me help. What it the Bras that made womens bah zooms look like the Grill of a '57 Cadillac El Dorado?
/

Especially when under a cashmier sweater.

694 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:08:34pm

re: #690 Truck Monkey

Yep. Furry sweaters, too. Ah, to look back in angora.

That's not mine--can't take credit for that one.

695 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:08:44pm

re: #680 Mad Al-Jaffee

"Techmology" - that get's me every time.

696 hazzyday  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:08:48pm

re: #664 ArmyWife

Here is the Gatesgate police report.

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Prof. Gates seems to have a bit of a chip on his shoulder if the police report is to be believed.

He was race hustling. Shakedown for money comes next. He probably can't believe his good fortune.

697 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:09:06pm

re: #690 Truck Monkey

Let me help. What it the Bras that made womens bah zooms look like the Grill of a '57 Cadillac El Dorado?
/

here she is...

Image: 57ebcat2.jpg

698 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:09:26pm

re: #662 Killian Bundy

You can read the police report. There were plenty of witnesses too.

/two stories walk in, theoretically one party will have to apologize, but don't expect any until this escalates some more, and TOTUS already took a side, so he's on the hook along with his "yo mama" buddy


OK, I read the report.
Gates has a major chip on his shoulder.

. I think the officer could have just left the scene and not arrested him before it escalated as it did but I wasn't there so I don't want to second guess the arrest. I think the officer looks like a reasonable man.

but from reading the arrest report, I won't second guess that Gates is an asshole

699 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:10:23pm

re: #696 hazzyday

but the public (per the news) isn't so impressed, so this may not work exactly as planned, even with the gratuitous support from The One.

700 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:10:24pm
701 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:10:33pm

re: #697 albusteve

here she is...

[Link: billee007.tripod.com...]

I was thinking this.
Image: 57%20Cadillac%20Eldorado%20Cool%2057.jpg

702 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:10:37pm

re: #659 Erik The Red

Another reason to love the big lumber-jawed lug.//

703 David Simon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:10:40pm

re: #676 nyc redneck

it really has to stop being "us and them".

Paraphrasing one of the SCOTUS justices (Roberts IIRC), the best way to end racial discrimination is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.

704 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:11:14pm

re: #697 albusteve

a tripod sign?

705 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:11:25pm

re: #684 albusteve

what?...fire her ass?

What about the rest of her>

706 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:11:46pm

re: #705 calcajun

What about the rest of her>

LMAO :)

707 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:11:48pm

re: #693 OldScouter

Especially when under a cashmier sweater.

Be careful, you could poke your eye out!

/momma mode off...

708 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:11:49pm

re: #703 David Simon

Paraphrasing one of the SCOTUS justices (Roberts IIRC), the best way to end racial discrimination is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.

He's a racist. What does he know...
/

709 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:12:02pm

We're now up to 28 blocked accounts.

710 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:12:08pm

re: #655 Jimmah

For the kooks, this just means the state of Hawaii are part of the conspiracy as well. If that's where the kooks want to go, I'm sure the Dems are happy to let them.

IIRC, there is not a whit of evidence that the HI doc is fraudulent. Until and unless such evidence is developed the Nirthers will remain consigned the fringes of the fringes.

712 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:12:30pm

re: #709 Charles

We're now up to 28 blocked accounts.

Regulars?

713 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:12:42pm

re: #701 Truck Monkey

I was thinking this.
[Link: www.johndagostinokustomkars.com...]

714 OldScouter  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:12:52pm

re: #707 IslandLibertarian

Be careful, you could poke your eye out!

/momma mode off...

I seem to recall trying several times, but I still have both eyes.

715 Ron Paul  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:12:56pm

Anyone here in Brasil?

716 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:12:59pm
717 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:13:03pm

re: #676 nyc redneck

gates is an african american studies prof.
he is of the same mindset as o the community agitator.
african american studies should be a sub-category of history or anthropology.
as long as it exists as a separate grievance study we are going backwards.
it really has to stop being "us and them".

I have been mulling a thought for several years now and will try to articulate it.

I think I am an aculturalist.

In my view, all culture is corrupting. Pop culture. High culture. Ethnic culture. All of it.

The reason is simple - culture has this interesting property - to the extent it exists to include it exists to exclude. That which defines the culture defines who is not a part of it.

If we think back through time, we all descend from one tribe. So all culture that has taken root since is essentially artificial rules developed by sub groups to segment themselves from other groups. Certainly there are norms that are adopted with the purpose of hygene or common survival, but even those norms, over time, often take on cultural meaning well beyond their original purpose with that meaning existing for the purpose of excluding / including.

As an American, I now look at the oft cited criticism of Americans as being uncultured as a manifestly good thing - we are a people predisposed to not holding one group above others. No aristocracy. No castes. No elite.

With all of that in mind, I have no problem attacking those who defend their racism as necessary to preserving their "culture". And I see the Ethnic Studies departments at many Universities as perpetuating institutionalized racism.

718 jorline  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:13:25pm

re: #709 Charles

We're now up to 28 blocked accounts.

When it gets to 30 start an ID thread...go for another 30.
/

719 David Simon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:13:38pm

re: #708 Truck Monkey

He's a racist. What does he know...
/

Heh. Sadly, a lot of people probably think that.

720 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:14:04pm

re: #711 HelloDare

Gates said the Cambridge mayor had called him to apologize about the incident. Simmons, Cambridge's first black female mayor, confirmed to CNN that she apologized to Gates.

She apologized to Gates for Gates being an asshole? Ok. Makes sense to me. The good mayor should tread carefully here as well. If anything, she should want the cops on her side.

721 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:14:17pm

re: #676 nyc redneck

it really has to stop being "us and them".

But, my friend, you have so perfectly described the human condition. We are hard-wired that way. The only way "we" humans become all of "us" is if the "them" is some non-human threat. Otherwise, we're at each other's throat forever.

Drink, anyone?

722 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:14:19pm

re: #705 calcajun

What about the rest of her>

blowtorch to blacken...serve over rice pilaf

723 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:14:32pm

re: #709 Charles

We're now up to 28 blocked accounts.

3 Woods future in this day comments will read:

23 July 2009- 28 Lizards get banned in one day.

724 jorline  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:14:43pm

re: #712 Truck Monkey

Regulars?

Constipated

725 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:14:56pm

re: #709 Charles

Permanent or just on probation?

726 freetoken  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:15:03pm

re: #718 jorline

When it gets to 30 start an ID thread...go for another 30.

Don't know if that will happen, as so many of the creationists have flounced already.

727 David Simon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:15:42pm
728 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:15:46pm

re: #712 Truck Monkey

Regulars?

yes, not high octane

729 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:15:48pm

re: #712 Truck Monkey

Regulars?

Only 1 that I hope he contacts Charles to fix things.

730 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:15:59pm

re: #711 HelloDare

that's too bad.

731 hazzyday  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:16:15pm

re: #698 Shug

OK, I read the report.
Gates has a major chip on his shoulder.

. I think the officer could have just left the scene and not arrested him before it escalated as it did but I wasn't there so I don't want to second guess the arrest. I think the officer looks like a reasonable man.

but from reading the arrest report, I won't second guess that Gates is an asshole

When someone becomes an out of control shouter, I think they become a risk to the people around them in this type of situation. The situation needs to be put under control so Gates can get some perspective.

I had a friend do something similar like this at a fair after being refused service at a bar. It resulted in a night in jail to cool off. If he would have just shut up and went on his way like the policeman advised him everything would have been cool.

It's common urban survival wisdom. Be polite to the police. Don't run from the police. Act in honesty. It's unfortunate that there is a sub subculture that is having problems wising up. I've dealt with over 100 police officers in a large variety of arrests. Only one off duty one was unprofessional I thought. and that was something very minor.

If there is an arrest problem it can be worked out in court.

732 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:16:23pm

re: #727 David Simon

That's a start. Now, the entire police force needs to kiss his ass.

DS ... you are kidding right? ...

733 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:16:50pm

re: #725 calcajun

Permanent or just on probation?

Probation, restricted accounts... hmmm.

734 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:17:00pm

Remember, Professor Gates is a notorious, lefty race-baiter. He's made a career out of identity politics and worse. In his confrontation with the cop, he's totally playing to type. What's intriguing is that President Obama is putting his personal prestige on the line in that situation. Reckless.

735 jorline  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:17:05pm

re: #726 freetoken

Don't know if that will happen, as so many of the creationists have flounced already.

Plenty more in the woodwork...stealth dingers!

736 Shug  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:17:34pm

re: #709 Charles

We're now up to 28 blocked accounts.

are most of the accounts steath updingers ( or downdingers depending on the topic ) who never comment?

737 OldScouter  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:18:07pm

re: #723 Erik The Red

3 Woods future in this day comments will read:

23 July 2009- 28 Lizards get banned in one day.

Real Lizards don't get banned. But they do get riled up when the trolls sneak in.

738 Ron Paul  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:18:33pm

Gates is an older man, he may have bad memories, I think he is wrong but he may be living in his past.

739 calcajun  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:18:40pm

re: #728 albusteve

Ethyl was blocked? I liked her./

740 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:18:49pm

re: #726 freetoken

Don't know if that will happen, as so many of the creationists have flounced already.

Every now and then some trollish sock puppet rears its ugly head.

741 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:19:05pm

re: #717 karmic_inquisitor

Culture is such a part of what we are, and so unavoidable, it would make as much sense to declare our genes to be a corrupting blight.

742 freetoken  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:19:09pm

re: #737 OldScouter

Real Lizards don't get banned. But they do get riled up when the trolls sneak in.

No True Scotsman Lizard?

743 David Simon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:19:11pm

re: #732 JacksonTn

DS ... you are kidding right? ...

I didn't use a sarc tag because I didn't think one was necessary.

744 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:19:26pm

re: #727 David Simon

That's a start. Now, the entire police force needs to kiss his ass.

/if you've seen any of Gates' unrepentant statements today, it's pretty obvious that he's not going to settle for anything less than that

745 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:19:35pm

Kind of opens the door for a lawsuit when the mayor apologizes to somebody, don't you think. She apologized before she spoke to the cop and before meeting with the police.

746 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:19:48pm

I think it's something how folks say they don't know what happened there, as we/they weren't there. Bullshit! We know what happened. We really do.

747 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:19:50pm

re: #743 David Simon

I didn't use a sarc tag because I didn't think one was necessary.

DS ... sorry I cannot tell sometimes ...

748 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:20:10pm
749 OldScouter  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:20:32pm

re: #744 Killian Bundy

/if you've seen any of Gates' unrepentant statements today, it's pretty obvious that he's not going to settle for anything less than that

I wonder if Marc Lamont Hill was a student of Gates.

750 freetoken  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:20:36pm

re: #746 unrealizedviewpoint

We really do.

Is that so?

751 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:20:37pm

As Peggy Noonan said during the presidential campaign, it's all flying monkeys now. Obama's election has emboldened the wackos. And Limbaugh was right about one thing: contrary to the predictions of the naive liberals, Obama's election didn't end racial grievance, but only emboldened and accelerated it. Obama himself has demonstrated that by becoming involved in the Gates affair.

752 jorline  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:20:45pm

re: #738 Ron Paul

Gates is an older man, he may have bad memories, I think he is wrong but he may be living in his past.

This is my living in the past.

753 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:20:51pm

re: #698 Shug

OK, I read the report.
Gates has a major chip on his shoulder.

. I think the officer could have just left the scene and not arrested him before it escalated as it did but I wasn't there so I don't want to second guess the arrest. I think the officer looks like a reasonable man.

but from reading the arrest report, I won't second guess that Gates is an asshole

Being an asshole is not illegal, and should not get anyone arrested.

CERTAINLY being an asshole on your own property is not illegal.

The asshole was arrested on his porch, for being an asshole... That does not give me the warm and fuzzies.

754 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:20:52pm

Just found a movie on Netflix I want to watch (a documentary about Mississippi juke joints!)

See you all tomorrow.

755 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:21:25pm

re: #745 HelloDare

It undermines the police officer. There are no claims of brutality being raised, this guy seems to have acted like an ass, and is now being rewarded for his bad behavior.

756 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:22:02pm

re: #744 Killian Bundy

/if you've seen any of Gates' unrepentant statements today, it's pretty obvious that he's not going to settle for anything less than that

Fuck him.

757 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:22:04pm

According to NBC’s top Pentagon correspondent, the Department of Defense is furious with Fox News analyst Ralph Peters, who said on July 19 that the Taliban should murder 23-year-old Private First Class Bowe Bergdahl, captured after he strayed from his post, to save the Army “legal hassles and legal bills.”
...
However, Wednesday night MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow fired back, interviewing Jim Miklaszewski, NBC’s top Pentagon correspondent, who said the Department of Defense is furious with Peters and Fox News, adding there is no evidence that Bergdahl is a deserter.

Peters’ and O’Reilly’s insidious comments drew a sharp reaction from a bipartisan group of 22 veteran members of Congress, who all signed a letter demanding Fox News CEO Roger Ailes apologize to Bergdahl’s family for allowing a guest on his network to provide “aid and comfort” to America’s enemies.
Pentagon furious over call for execution of captured soldier


“Mr. Peters’ indefensible comments call into question, without any supporting evidence whatsoever, PFC Bergdahl’s patriotism and commitment to his country, and suggest in a non-subtle way that he deserved to be captured,” they wrote. “The truth is that Mr. Peters’ words give more aid and comfort to the enemy…and put PFC Bergdahl at additional risk of harm.”

Congressman Eric Massa (D-NY), a former Navy commander who joined the 22 members of Congress in signing the letter, went a step further and called on Fox News to fire both O’Reilly and Peters.

“Their comments aid and abet our enemies during a time of war and the burden is on Fox News to prove that they reject this by taking the tangible action of issuing an apology and firing both of them,” he wrote.

758 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:22:09pm

re: #736 Shug

are most of the accounts steath updingers ( or downdingers depending on the topic ) who never comment?

Some of them are.

759 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:22:12pm
760 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:22:16pm

re: #745 HelloDare

The mayor of Cambridge is playing the racial grievance game. I think she misreads the situation, but we'll see.

761 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:22:35pm

re: #754 Mad Al-Jaffee

Just found a movie on Netflix I want to watch (a documentary about Mississippi juke joints!)

See you all tomorrow.

MAJ ... I love the documentaries on netflix and Amazon On Demand ... Amazon has a better selection ... that is all I have been doing lately as far as movies, etc. I love being able to watch it right now ...

762 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:23:31pm

re: #759 buzzsawmonkey

First, you have to prove that you are the asshole who owns the property.

Nope... it is NOT illegal to be an asshole on private property. It does not have to be yours.

763 JustMyView  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:23:33pm

re: #613 David Simon

He's so well known, his own neighbor (the one who called the cops) doesn't know him.

I don't think, actually, that she is a neighbor. This article says that she lives in Malden, not Cambridge. She works for Harvard Magazine, which likely explains why she was there.

764 jorline  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:23:38pm

bbiaw...time to shoot some hoops with my son.

765 freetoken  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:23:41pm

re: #759 buzzsawmonkey

First, you have to prove that you are the asshole who owns the property.

Which Gates did.

766 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:23:52pm

re: #759 buzzsawmonkey

First, you have to prove that you are the asshole who owns the property.

buzz ... exactly ... and it is a slap in the face to the police who came there to protect his property ...

767 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:23:52pm

re: #753 Buck

Mouthing off to a cop is always disorderly conduct, is poor judgment, and is likely to be punished. Cop value their street authority, and will make arrests to protect it. For a cop, it's a matter of personal safety and survival.

768 Ron Paul  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:24:45pm

I am not enough machismo to play the flutere: #752 jorline

769 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:24:51pm

re: #755 ArmyWife

It undermines the police officer. There are no claims of brutality being raised, this guy seems to have acted like an ass, and is now being rewarded for his bad behavior.

Hey, it's only fair. Jesse Jackson gave the accuser in the alleged Duke lacrosse rape case a scholarship. Obviously the professor doesn't need a scholarship but he could probably use a couple million buck.

770 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:24:51pm

re: #764 jorline

bbiaw...time to shoot some hoops with my son.

Awesome! have a great night Jorline.

771 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:25:25pm
772 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:25:31pm

re: #759 buzzsawmonkey

First, you have to prove that you are the asshole who owns the property.

It is my understanding that the asshole reluctantly produced a DL and Harvard ID. I think the asshole got arrested when he followed the officers out onto the porch and commenced with his assholism. Disturbing the peace is what they got him for.

773 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:25:37pm

re: #767 quickjustice

Mouthing off to a cop is always disorderly conduct, is poor judgment, and is likely to be punished. Cop value their street authority, and will make arrests to protect it. For a cop, it's a matter of personal safety and survival.

NOPE, look it up, you can't be arrested for being disorderly on your own property. For the individual it is a matter of personal freedom.

774 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:25:37pm

re: #765 freetoken

Which Gates did.

How? By refusing to present his identification to the officer?

775 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:25:38pm

re: #741 Jimmah

Culture is such a part of what we are, and so unavoidable, it would make as much sense to declare our genes to be a corrupting blight.


I understand that but at the same time we should be aware of what culture is.

It is generally regarded as virtuous. Yet I know of no genocide or attempted genocide that did not carry a cultural justification.

I know that i cannot abstain from all culture any more than i can stop using language in my thoughts. just the same, if I am aware of the biases that culture welcomes perhaps I can be less influenced by those biases.

I say this as someone who has travelled all over the world and enjoys the novelty of seeing people live differently than I do - it is like discovering new colors. And when that variety takes the form of food, it is new flavors and textures. And yes, the world would be a bland place if we all thought and acted the same way.

Yet that is our fate - culture is destroyed by communications and we are in an unprecedented era of communications. i used to regret that prospect but now I don't.

776 freetoken  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:25:43pm

re: #767 quickjustice

The issue is... it was on Gate's property, not the street.

Your willingness to embrace authoritarianism is disturbing.

777 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:25:59pm

Sorry if this has already been posted, but Michael Totten posted Part IV of The Future of Iraq.

778 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:26:04pm

I can't quit you baby ... BB and BG ...

779 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:26:14pm
780 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:26:49pm

re: #753 Buck

Disorderly conduct is grounds for arrest, and the police officers felt Prof. Gates was at this line at the time. The fact they didn't press charges would indicate it was right at the line and not worth spending tax payer money on prosecution. The guy should have been gracious and apologized for behaving badly to begin with. But that isn't as romantic and dramatic, though, is it?

781 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:27:18pm

re: #675 Erik The Red

She does do some amazing work and is not a moonbat.

You know Eric you are probably right about the "amazing work" part of that. I respect her for adopting kids very much. It seems she does it for just reasons and provides very well for them.

My issue is that she made statements during the hight of the Iraq War critical of our policy. We were losing 100 fine men a month in tough combat. I have no respect for anybody who did not unambiguously support our troops.

782 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:27:34pm

re: #773 Buck

NOPE, look it up, you can't be arrested for being disorderly on your own property. For the individual it is a matter of personal freedom.

I suspect the charge of Disorderly Conduct, what it entails, varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

783 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:27:35pm

re: #773 Buck

Yes you can be arrested for disorderly conduct on your own property, especially if you're disturbing the neighbors, and bad-mouthing the cops. Gates is exhibit A. Whether the charges will stick is another matter.

784 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:27:35pm

re: #762 Buck

Nope... it is NOT illegal to be an asshole on private property. It does not have to be yours.

/so it's okay to verbally abuse a police officer doing his lawful duty?

785 Ron Paul  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:27:37pm

re: #771 buzzsawmonkey
I agree, how can the police do thier job without cooperation?

786 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:27:44pm

re: #779 buzzsawmonkey

Really? The arrest report doesn't make it sound like that.

He showed a Harvard University id.

787 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:28:09pm

re: #772 Truck Monkey

It is my understanding that the asshole reluctantly produced a DL and Harvard ID. I think the asshole got arrested when he followed the officers out onto the porch and commenced with his assholism. Disturbing the peace is what they got him for.

Read the police report. In their own words they walked up the porch, and arrested him for disorderly conduct. Again, you can't be disorderly on your own property.

788 freetoken  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:28:09pm

re: #779 buzzsawmonkey

Really? The arrest report doesn't make it sound like that.

There are multiple, and conflicting, reports of exactly how many forms of ID were produced.

It is for this reason I asked above if we really do know what "the story" is.

789 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:28:40pm

re: #752 jorline

mine too...not their best...
this might be tho


790 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:29:04pm

re: #780 ArmyWife

791 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:29:06pm

re: #773 Buck

NOPE, look it up, you can't be arrested for being disorderly on your own property. For the individual it is a matter of personal freedom.

Linky?

/you're not a lawyer are you?

792 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:29:12pm

re: #776 freetoken

"Authoritarianism"? Cut the crap. I suggest you go for a ride in a police car sometime. To be effective, the cops must protect their street authority.

793 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:29:14pm
794 David Simon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:29:26pm

re: #744 Killian Bundy

/if you've seen any of Gates' unrepentant statements today, it's pretty obvious that he's not going to settle for anything less than that

Heh. You're right, and now I'm thinking that I should have used a sarc tag.

795 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:29:39pm

re: #784 Killian Bundy

/so it's okay to verbally abuse a police officer doing his lawful duty?

IN your own house, on your property? Yes. That is FREEDOM.

He can be an asshole, as we have described him... all day from his own porch.

796 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:29:52pm
797 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:29:54pm

re: #783 quickjustice

Yes you can be arrested for disorderly conduct on your own property, especially if you're disturbing the neighbors, and bad-mouthing the cops. Gates is exhibit A. Whether the charges will stick is another matter.

The charges were dropped. The whole thing should be over given 'normal' circumstances. Gates wants to push it to see what he can get out of it is what I am thinking.

798 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:30:18pm

re: #787 Buck

Read the police report. In their own words they walked up the porch, and arrested him for disorderly conduct. Again, you can't be disorderly on your own property.

Buck ... What? ... have you never seen an episode of Cops? (okay I have only a couple) ... people get arrested every day for doing crap on their own property ...

799 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:30:34pm

re: #778 JacksonTn

post until they get it...heh

800 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:30:36pm

re: #717 karmic_inquisitor

I have been mulling a thought for several years now and will try to articulate it.

I think I am an aculturalist.

In my view, all culture is corrupting. Pop culture. High culture. Ethnic culture. All of it.

The reason is simple - culture has this interesting property - to the extent it exists to include it exists to exclude. That which defines the culture defines who is not a part of it.

If we think back through time, we all descend from one tribe. So all culture that has taken root since is essentially artificial rules developed by sub groups to segment themselves from other groups. Certainly there are norms that are adopted with the purpose of hygene or common survival, but even those norms, over time, often take on cultural meaning well beyond their original purpose with that meaning existing for the purpose of excluding / including.

As an American, I now look at the oft cited criticism of Americans as being uncultured as a manifestly good thing - we are a people predisposed to not holding one group above others. No aristocracy. No castes. No elite.

With all of that in mind, I have no problem attacking those who defend their racism as necessary to preserving their "culture". And I see the Ethnic Studies departments at many Universities as perpetuating institutionalized racism.

o was supposed to bring racial harmony. odd how he perpetuates racial strife to
keep the agitation going. he should not have so quickly called the hard working police officer, 'stupid', for doing his job.
o's behavior is reprehensible. he made it abt. race when he didn't have to.
his behavior was so unpresidential. he couldn't keep his mouth shut.
but o has a chip on his shoulder abt. the military AND the police force.
i agree, ethnic studies, it is time to move beyond grievance mongering.

801 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:30:42pm

re: #790 pink freud

Well that didn't take. The snark gods probably snatched it.

I'd better leave good enough alone.

802 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:30:43pm

re: #787 Buck

Again, you can't be disorderly on your own property.

/you couldn't be more wrong, think domestic call

803 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:30:56pm

CHARLES -
I was trying to follow a comment thread back, and when I got to this comment, and clicked on the "671" to track back, I got this comment #671 from a thread in 2002.

804 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:31:17pm
805 David Simon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:31:17pm

re: #747 JacksonTn

DS ... sorry I cannot tell sometimes ...

No need to apologize.

806 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:31:35pm

re: #788 freetoken

There are multiple, and conflicting, reports of exactly how many forms of ID were produced.

It is for this reason I asked above if we really do know what "the story" is.

The story is Gates was acting like an ass by failing to display not only a complete lack of respect for the police officer, but by acting totally inappropriately, to the point of being disorderly.

807 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:31:49pm

re: #547 LudwigVanQuixote

Wait, is this verified? He locked himself out and a neighbor called the police to investigate?

That fact was in in every report on this story. It's also in the official police report. So yes, it has been verified: Obama is a jerk.

808 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:32:20pm

re: #791 Killian Bundy

Linky?

/you're not a lawyer are you?

Can you just imagine a system that would allow the police to come onto your property, and judge what you are doing... in your living room, in your bed room...or even on your porch...as disorderly?

Can I find you a link that says what they CAN'T do? No I can't prove a negative... but you will see I am right...

809 VegasRick  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:32:39pm

re: #797 Truck Monkey

The charges were dropped. The whole thing should be over given 'normal' circumstances. Gates wants to push it to see what he can get out of it is what I am thinking.

Two years would be nice.

810 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:32:49pm

re: #797 Truck Monkey

As an earlier commenter said, President Obama has upped the ante, and doubled down. We'll see if the justice system in Cambridge can resist his blandishments, or whether it's just another minor league Chappaquiddick, where Massachusetts Democrats fixed the justice system.

811 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:33:11pm

re: #795 Buck

IN your own house, on your property? Yes. That is FREEDOM.

He can be an asshole, as we have described him... all day from his own porch.

Possibly you have this confused with public intoxication. You can be intoxicated on your own property.

812 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:33:14pm

re: #775 karmic_inquisitor

Actually, I agree with you on that. Culture encompasses everything from the Enlightenment to the Nazis. It's not always good. One forgets sometimes that not everyone understands this.

813 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:33:19pm

re: #795 Buck

IN your own house, on your property? Yes. That is FREEDOM.

He can be an asshole, as we have described him... all day from his own porch.

/and you'll get arrested for disorderly conduct, your home is not your castle under certain exigent circumstances

814 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:33:26pm

re: #787 Buck

Read the police report. In their own words they walked up the porch, and arrested him for disorderly conduct. Again, you can't be disorderly on your own property.

So It's ok if I want to sit out on my porch and scream at people and hurl insults I cannot be called to account for it?

815 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:33:41pm

re: #798 JacksonTn

Buck ... What? ... have you never seen an episode of Cops? (okay I have only a couple) ... people get arrested every day for doing crap on their own property ...

I have seen those episodes, and the cops need one to complain about the other...they can't just arrest some guy cause he is yelling at his wife...

816 HoosierHoops  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:33:47pm

re: #804 buzzsawmonkey

'Nite, folks.

Night Buzz..Sleep tight

817 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:33:57pm

re: #776 freetoken

The issue is... it was on Gate's property, not the street.

Your willingness to embrace authoritarianism is disturbing.

As someone who has been arrested in a PRIVATE residence by police officers that broke in with guns drawn (no knock on the door) and taken to jail with no physical evidence of any crime, well, I have my prejudices...but I would never talk back to a policeman. Didn't then, don't need to now.

/Gates sounds like a problem child...never satisfied.

818 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:34:16pm

re: #808 Buck

Can you just imagine a system that would allow the police to come onto your property, and judge what you are doing... in your living room, in your bed room...or even on your porch...as disorderly?

/are you kidding me?

819 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:35:15pm

re: #815 Buck

I have seen those episodes, and the cops need one to complain about the other...they can't just arrest some guy cause he is yelling at his wife...

Buck ... I can see you have your ideas about this and I have mine ... but I assure you that you can get arrested on your own property ... and yeah if he is yelling at his wife enough to cause her severe distress ... he may get arrested ...

820 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:35:19pm

re: #757 Killgore Trout

I lost all respect for Peters over that comment. Indefensable.

821 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:35:22pm

re: #814 Truck Monkey

So It's ok if I want to sit out on my porch and scream at people and hurl insults I cannot be called to account for it?

IF I COMPLAIN about it, that it is disturbing me... MAYBE,

BUT no one complained about what the asshole was doing. No one said it disturbed them.

822 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:35:26pm

re: #812 Jimmah

But I have to say, I still think your original post went waay too far:

In my view, all culture is corrupting. Pop culture. High culture. Ethnic culture. All of it.

823 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:35:28pm

As I understand it, Gates was causing a public disturbance because he was yelling within earshot and sight of several people on the street. A crowd had gathered by that time.

824 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:35:46pm

re: #818 Killian Bundy

/are you kidding me?

Some people grow up; others, not so much.

825 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:36:02pm

re: #787 Buck

Again, you can't be disorderly on your own property.

Ha. You can't be serious. You don't get out much do you.

826 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:36:07pm

re: #709 Charles

We're now up to 28 blocked accounts.

How many sock puppets?

827 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:36:37pm

re: #819 JacksonTn

Buck ... I can see you have your ideas about this and I have mine ... but I assure you that you can get arrested on your own property ... and yeah if he is yelling at his wife enough to cause her severe distress ... he may get arrested ...

If she just smiles and is loving it? Remember... no one made a complaint.

828 freetoken  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:36:38pm

re: #792 quickjustice

On the private property of an upscale neighborhood... some "street" you got there QJ.

Once it had been determined the resident of the property was the one breaking into the house, that incident was over.

What you have now is a policeman arresting someone on their own property for the offense of shouting at the police. And arrest that you apparently endorse.

As mentioned above, it doesn't matter how silly the shouting of Gates was... you are endorsing the arrest of someone just because that person was loudly (and perhaps pejoratively) shouting at a police officer. While such behavior has an element of anti-social behavior to it, do you really want the authorities to arrest people in such circumstances?

829 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:36:39pm

re: #824 pink freud

Some people grow up; others, not so much.

Pink ... um ... could you please stop talking about me! ...

/

830 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:36:42pm

re: #819 JacksonTn

Buck ... I can see you have your ideas about this and I have mine ... .

/and then there's the reality of criminal law

831 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:36:43pm

As the old saying goes, your freedom to throw a punch without legal or other consequences stops at my nose.

832 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:37:08pm

re: #818 Killian Bundy

/are you kidding me?

Nope

833 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:37:09pm

re: #819 JacksonTn

Buck ... I can see you have your ideas about this and I have mine ... but I assure you that you can get arrested on your own property ... and yeah if he is yelling at his wife enough to cause her severe distress ... he may get arrested ...

I have...several times

834 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:37:19pm

re: #821 Buck

IF I COMPLAIN about it, that it is disturbing me... MAYBE,

BUT no one complained about what the asshole was doing. No one said it disturbed them.

There are witnesses to the incident (neighbors) who said that Gates was creating quite a commotion.

835 Ron Paul  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:37:21pm

re: #812 Jimmah
thats correct, all cultures are not equal, many cultures exist to keep people in power.

836 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:37:28pm

So glad my Grandma now realizes how wrong she was about Barack Obama.

837 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:37:36pm

re: #753 Buck

Being an asshole is not illegal, and should not get anyone arrested.

CERTAINLY being an asshole on your own property is not illegal.

The asshole was arrested on his porch, for being an asshole... That does not give me the warm and fuzzies.

It is not a bad idea to make friends with the assholes who live next door. That way they won't call the po po on your ass if they see you trying to break in to your own house.

838 Taqyia2Me  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:37:58pm

Who was it that said something along the lines that, "he isn't the post-racial president so much as most-racial"?

839 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:39:08pm

re: #821 Buck

A neighbor called to report a breakin at Gates's house. Gates was, in fact, breaking into his own house. It was reasonable for the cop to make inquiry about that. It was unreasonable for Gates to mouth off at the cop. He was arrested for that. President Obama is defending Gates's conduct, and accusing the cop of being racially motivated.

President Obama is a vain and superficial man. If this continues, I will conclude that he is unworthy of his office.

840 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:39:30pm

re: #836 TheMatrix31

So glad my Grandma now realizes how wrong she was about Barack Obama.

Taking the country back. One voter at a time.

841 Ron Paul  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:39:31pm

goodnight all, it is 10:39 here!

842 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:40:10pm

re: #837 Alouette

It is not a bad idea to make friends with the assholes who live next door. That way they won't call the po po on your ass if they see you trying to break in to your own house.

LOL
probably spot on.

843 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:40:12pm

re: #829 JacksonTn

Pink ... um ... could you please stop talking about me! ...

/

Jackson! You're still here? I thought you'd gone to bed!

844 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:40:15pm

re: #841 Ron Paul

So you're in the Atlantic provinces of Canada?

845 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:40:18pm

re: #787 Buck

Read the police report. In their own words they walked up the porch, and arrested him for disorderly conduct. Again, you can't be disorderly on your own property.

You've not partied with me, have you?

846 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:40:21pm

re: #789 albusteve

mine too...not their best...
this might be tho

You cannot be serious.

847 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:40:25pm

re: #832 Buck

Nope

/as a lawyer, I'm just telling you you're wrong and probably don't test your theory against any law enforcement officers

848 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:40:35pm

re: #841 Ron Paul

goodnight all, it is 10:39 here!

Canadian Maritimes?

849 Truck Monkey  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:41:26pm

re: #845 MandyManners

You've not partied with me, have you?

It aint a party until someone gets arrested!!!

850 David Simon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:41:52pm

re: #763 JustMyView

I don't think, actually, that she is a neighbor. This article says that she lives in Malden, not Cambridge. She works for Harvard Magazine, which likely explains why she was there.

Yep. Thanks for the correction.

851 Ron Paul  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:41:52pm

re: #844 quickjustice
was in British Columbia, now in Sao Paulo, Brasil!

852 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:42:08pm

re: #843 pink freud

Jackson! You're still here? I thought you'd gone to bed!

Pink ... Nope ... I am doing some last revisions on a contract I am sending over to my office in the morning so they can make it look good ... they hate me when I send them stuff and they have to totally write it all over again ... but Hey! that is what I pay them for ... well for now ... as long as I can keep them employed ...

853 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:42:08pm

re: #832 Buck

Re your blog, are you Canadian?

/that may explain some things, folks.

854 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:42:17pm

re: #819 JacksonTn

To back you up, here is the Massachusetts law:

[Link: www.mass.gov...]

It would seem that the dear Professor's conduct probably did not rise to the level worth prosecuting over, but the law officer did not act recklessly either, IMO.

NOTHING stops an arrest from occurring simply because the act was committed on private property.

855 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:42:24pm

re: #839 quickjustice

It was unreasonable for Gates to mouth off at the cop. He was arrested for that.

SO in your world, it is ok to arrest someone for being unreasonable in their own home...

ok... The constitution might not agree, but hey, who am I to judge.

Look, the cop should have walked away. Walking up the steps to the mans porch was clearly across the line.

he was a Sargent, and he should have known better.

856 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:42:42pm

As soon as you drop the "Do you know who I am!" line to a cop you lose the standing to then go back and claim prejudice. Heck, when you go with that line you are really saying " I deserve special treatment. I'm important"

Hard to bitch about getting "special treatment" when you started off asking for it.

857 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:43:20pm

re: #845 MandyManners

You've not partied with me, have you?

Mandy, if you can be arrested for being an asshole in your own home...

Well? How do you think that would effect your ability to post here?

858 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:43:28pm

re: #853 pink freud

Re your blog, are you Canadian?

/that may explain some things, folks.

/lot of that going around

859 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:44:10pm

re: #853 pink freud

Re your blog, are you Canadian?

/that may explain some things, folks.

Thats not nice...

860 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:44:43pm

re: #857 Buck

Mandy, if you can be arrested for being an asshole in your own home...

Well? How do you think that would effect your ability to post here?

WTF does that mean? Care to expand that comment?

861 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:44:57pm

re: #858 Killian Bundy

LOL

862 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:45:24pm

Good evening 2M. How are you tonight?

863 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:45:33pm

re: #849 Truck Monkey

It aint a party until someone gets arrested!!!

Or, someone is taken away in an ambulance.

864 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:45:47pm

re: #859 Buck

Thats not nice...

Wait. What's not nice? I followed your link, you post of freedom in Canada. Care to explain that comment?

865 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:45:48pm

re: #860 Erik The Red

WTF does that mean? Care to expand that comment?

I am being quoted out of context...

866 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:46:15pm

re: #857 Buck

Mandy, if you can be arrested for being an asshole in your own home...

You are purposely dodging the point. There is being an asshole. And then there is being an asshole to a cop. Not a minor difference.

How many cops have been killed by people who started off just acting like assholes. As a rule, policemen have a short fuse for people acting like assholes. Deservedly so.

867 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:46:32pm

re: #846 Jimmah

yeah, Locomotive Breath is garbage

868 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:46:43pm

re: #865 Buck

I am being quoted out of context...

Well you have your chance to fix it. So do it.

869 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:46:44pm

re: #857 Buck

Mandy, if you can be arrested for being an asshole in your own home...

Well? How do you think that would effect your ability to post here?

Is that you, spacefreak?

870 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:46:52pm

re: #855 Buck

SO in your world, it is ok to arrest someone for being unreasonable in their own home...

ok... The constitution might not agree, but hey, who am I to judge.

Look, the cop should have walked away. Walking up the steps to the mans porch was clearly across the line.

he was a Sargent, and he should have known better.

It just so happens that Crowley is a racial profiling instructor.

/by the way, you're not a Canadian pontificating on U.S. Constitutional law, are you?

871 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:47:03pm

Lloyd Cole and the Commotions - 'Rattlesnakes'

872 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:47:07pm

re: #864 pink freud

Wait. What's not nice? I followed your link, you post of freedom in Canada. Care to explain that comment?

Its not nice to say that my being Canadian 'explains' anything. My opinion is just as valid even if I am Canadian, or even French...

Well maybe not if I was French, but certainly if I Canadian...

873 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:47:28pm

re: #828 freetoken

Don't be twit. I've seen demonstrations in NYC of cop-haters, i.e., people who protest the cops, who are screaming insults and abuse at the same cops who are protecting them and their first amendment rights. The cops take the abuse without flinching.

You're a cop. You're walking a beat in a bad neighborhood. A gang of neighbor toughs confronts you, and begins yelling verbal abuse from two inches away from your face. You are justified in making arrests both to assert your street authority, and to protect yourself.

Remember Connery's words to Cosner in "The Untouchables": "You've complied with the first law of policing. You've gone home alive."

874 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:47:53pm

re: #857 Buck

Mandy, if you can be arrested for being an asshole in your own home...

Well? How do you think that would effect your ability to post here?

No Buck. It's not out of context at all, except maybe in your mind. I suspect you certainly didn't mean it as it appears in the text.

875 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:48:01pm

re: #857 Buck

Mandy, if you can be arrested for being an asshole in your own home...

Well? How do you think that would effect your ability to post here?

I don't get it. I tried to inject a wee bit of humor into the situation but you post something like *that* to me? Shame on you.

876 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:48:14pm

Oh for God's sake.

877 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:48:17pm

re: #870 Killian Bundy

It just so happens that Crowley is a racial profiling instructor.

/by the way, you're not a Canadian pontificating on U.S. Constitutional law, are you?

Why? Can't Canadians read and be educated in US constitutional matters?

878 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:48:20pm

So it is official that the F-22 is scraped?

Just reading the celebrations on a treehugger site...

879 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:49:21pm

re: #857 Buck

Mandy, if you can be arrested for being an asshole in your own home...

Well? How do you think that would effect your ability to post here?

You know what? Fuck you. Just fuck you.

880 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:49:30pm

re: #875 MandyManners

I don't get it. I tried to inject a wee bit of humor into the situation but you post something like *that* to me? Shame on you.

I was kidding as well... I know you can be disorderly in your own house, but arrested for it?

Being an asshole is not illegal...

881 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:03pm

re: #880 Buck

I was kidding as well... I know you can be disorderly in your own house, but arrested for it?

Being an asshole is not illegal...

if it were, you'd be a felon

882 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:16pm

re: #855 Buck

"In my world"? How about the real world, which is quite different from your fantasy world?

883 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:19pm

re: #872 Buck

Its not nice to say that my being Canadian 'explains' anything. My opinion is just as valid even if I am Canadian, or even French...

Well maybe not if I was French, but certainly if I Canadian...

Yes, except you're not offering opinions. You're spouting off as though you are knowledgeable of the intricacies of US laws, especially the big F, FREEDOM. If you are a Canadian, it's quite possible you may not be ...and that was my point.

884 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:20pm

re: #862 Erik The Red

Good evening 2M. How are you tonight?

Hunky-dorey! Ten days to go now?

885 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:26pm

re: #879 MandyManners

You know what? Fuck you. Just fuck you.

I was just kidding you back...

Sorry if the printed word made it seem like I was serious. I apologize.

886 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:33pm

re: #877 Buck

They can - but they may also wish to look at state law and realize they are wrong, and move on from there. In Texas, we have a saying:

If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing you do is stop digging.

I would respectfully suggest you take that to heart at this moment.

887 jaunte  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:42pm

re: #878 Joshua Cohen

Limited to 187.

In a 58-40 vote today, the Senate agreed to remove an order for an additional 7 planes, capping the run at the 187 already requested by the government. The vote comes after weeks of fighting between the White House, the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the head of the Air Force, all of whom opposed the additional planes, and members of Congress who supported the expanded order.

The seven planes would have cost $1.75 billion. President Obama so strongly opposed the addition of the planes that he vowed to veto the entire $679.8 billion defense bill if the Senate didn't remove the additional request.[Link: www.popsci.com...]

888 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:43pm

re: #877 Buck

Why? Can't Canadians read and be educated in US constitutional matters?

Sure.

/but you need to try a lot harder because, so far, you're clueless

889 freetoken  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:49pm

re: #873 quickjustice

QJ - you keep coming up with alternative scenarios, not the actual event.

Stick to the actual event, not some hypothetical situation.

890 David Simon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:50:55pm

re: #808 Buck

Can you just imagine a system that would allow the police to come onto your property, and judge what you are doing... in your living room, in your bed room...or even on your porch...as disorderly?

Can you just imagine some of the things that one of your neighbors could do on their own property that YOU would judge (and call the cops on them)?

891 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:51:23pm

re: #880 Buck

I was kidding as well... I know you can be disorderly in your own house, but arrested for it?

Being an asshole is not illegal...

In your case, thank God, eh?

892 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:51:41pm

re: #891 pink freud

In your case, thank God, eh?

YES!!!

893 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:51:46pm

re: #880 Buck

Sometimes, depending on circumstances, being an asshole is, in fact, illegal. Whether legal or not, being an asshole has consequences.

894 albusteve  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:52:03pm

Just kidding...but you cannot be an asshole even in your own house, depending on the circumstances

895 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:52:06pm

re: #884 MandyManners

Hunky-dorey! Ten days to go now?

Yep. 10 more sleepless/restless nights.

896 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:54:50pm

IT'S THE UNITED STATES!

/I can stand just inside my property line naked, masturbating and there's not a damn thing the coppers can do about it, it's called FREEDOM!

897 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:55:00pm

re: #895 Erik The Red

Yep. 10 more sleepless/restless nights.

You do realize that you have lizards the world over counting down the days with you until ...well, until. :-)

898 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:55:01pm

re: #877 Buck

You're a Canuck sniping at the U.S. about personal freedom? Maybe you should pay attention to matters closer to home:

"On July 22, the Canadian Constitution Foundation filed its Intervener’s Brief in Boissoin v. Lund, arguing that restrictions on free speech in Alberta’s human rights legislation violate Canada’s Constitution.

In 2002, Rev. Stephen Boissoin wrote a strongly worded letter to the Red Deer Advocate critical of what he described as a “homosexual agenda.” University of Calgary Professor Darren Lund felt offended by the letter, and filed a complaint against Rev. Boissoin with the Alberta Human Rights and Citizenship Commission.

In 2007, a panel of the Human Rights Commission ruled that Rev. Boissoin had violated the Alberta human rights legislation with his letter-to-the-editor by potentially inciting hatred.

In 2008, six years after the complaint was filed, the panel ordered Rev. Boissoin to never again make “disparaging” remarks about homosexuals, ordered him to write a formal letter of apology retracting his previous letter, ordered him to have the apology letter published in the Red Deer Advocate, and ordered him to pay $5,000 in damages to Professor Lund.

The Alberta Court of Queen’s Bench will hear the appeal of the Commission’s decision on September 16-17, 2009."

899 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:55:01pm

re: #890 David Simon

Can you just imagine some of the things that one of your neighbors could do on their own property that YOU would judge (and call the cops on them)?

OK, but the neighbors did not call the cops because he was an asshole.

A cop comes to you house and asks you for ID, you give it to him, and scream and yell at him, like an asshole...you are not drunk, just an asshole to the cop.

The cop leaves your house, and walks to the street... you keep yelling, calling his mother names, and calling him a racist.

You think he can turn around and come to your home and arrest you?

I don't think so.

900 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:56:40pm

re: #899 Buck

Yes. He can.

901 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:56:50pm

re: #897 pink freud

You do realize that you have lizards the world over counting down the days with you until ...well, until. :-)

LOL. That's why I love this place.

902 jorline  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:57:02pm

re: #789 albusteve

mine too...not their best...
this might be tho

GREAT song!

903 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:57:18pm

re: #900 pink freud

Yes. He can.

Oh, and he did.

904 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:57:24pm

re: #898 quickjustice

You're a Canuck sniping at the U.S. about personal freedom? Maybe you should pay attention to matters closer to home

Do you really think I don't know about this? DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM?

/kidding about that part (acting like Gates to prove a point.

OK, I am done, quickjustice thinks I should mind my own business,

905 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:57:24pm

re: #889 freetoken

They're not "alternative scenarios". They're analogies. It's how lawyers reason, dimwit.

906 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:57:49pm

re: #880 Buck

Being an asshole is not illegal...

When its you and a policeman and you act like an asshole prepare to get tasered or worse. Thats how it works in the real world. They may eventually drop the charges, but not many policemen will just laugh it off and walk away from someone acting like an asshole and insulting them and their mother.

907 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:58:07pm

re: #899 Buck

OK, but the neighbors did not call the cops because he was an asshole.

A cop comes to you house and asks you for ID, you give it to him, and scream and yell at him, like an asshole...you are not drunk, just an asshole to the cop.

The cop leaves your house, and walks to the street... you keep yelling, calling his mother names, and calling him a racist.

You think he can turn around and come to your home and arrest you?

I don't think so.

YES.

908 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:58:30pm

re: #887 jaunte

Bad enough!

But well lets buy some overpriced unproven less capable F-35 instead...

909 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:58:47pm

re: #906 Mich-again

When its you and a policeman and you act like an asshole prepare to get tasered or worse. Thats how it works in the real world. They may eventually drop the charges, but not many policemen will just laugh it off and walk away from someone acting like an asshole and insulting them and their mother.

Don't taze-me-bro.

910 jamgarr  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:59:06pm

re: #856 Mich-again

As soon as you drop the "Do you know who I am!" line to a cop you lose the standing to then go back and claim prejudice. Heck, when you go with that line you are really saying " I deserve special treatment. I'm important"

Hard to bitch about getting "special treatment" when you started off asking for it.

What you said!

911 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:59:11pm

re: #904 Buck

The Canadian Human Rights Commission, comprised of your fascist countrymen, will be rounding you up long before I do. Compared to them, the Cambridge cop looks like a saint.

912 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:59:21pm

re: #908 Joshua Cohen

Bad enough!

But well lets buy some overpriced unproven less capable F-35 instead...

/or tons of ham

913 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:59:54pm

re: #906 Mich-again

When its you and a policeman and you act like an asshole prepare to get tasered or worse. Thats how it works in the real world. They may eventually drop the charges, but not many policemen will just laugh it off and walk away from someone acting like an asshole and insulting them and their mother.

In your living room? Or by extension your porch?

We will see. I bet otherwise.

914 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 6:59:58pm

re: #900 pink freud

Yes. He can.

Yes...we can?

915 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:00:44pm

re: #911 quickjustice

The Canadian Human Rights Commission, comprised of your fascist countrymen, will be rounding you up long before I do. Compared to them, the Cambridge cop looks like a saint.

Which has nothing to with anything we are discussing, but thanks.

916 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:00:48pm

re: #912 Killian Bundy

/or tons of ham

Defending with ham - a new strategy! Its haraam!

917 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:00:55pm

re: #906 Mich-again

When its you and a policeman and you act like an asshole prepare to get tasered or worse. Thats how it works in the real world. They may eventually drop the charges, but not many policemen will just laugh it off and walk away from someone acting like an asshole and insulting them and their mother.

Even if you are a race baiting university professor with a chip on your shoulder for the Man.

918 David Simon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:00:59pm

re: #899 Buck

OK, but the neighbors did not call the cops because he was an asshole.

A cop comes to you house and asks you for ID, you give it to him, and scream and yell at him, like an asshole...you are not drunk, just an asshole to the cop.

The cop leaves your house, and walks to the street... you keep yelling, calling his mother names, and calling him a racist.

You think he can turn around and come to your home and arrest you?

I don't think so.

I'm not familiar with the Massachusetts statute regarding disorderly conduct - are you? How do you know that he shouldn't have been arrested?

919 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:04:08pm

re: #899 Buck

Since you don't like the applicable statute linked, let's try another state, shall we:

[Link: www.ci.buffalo.mn.us...]

SEC. 10.06. DISORDERLY CONDUCT. It is unlawful for any person, in a public or private place, knowing, or having reasonable grounds to know, that it will, or will tend to, alarm, anger or disturb others or provoke any assault or breach of the peace, to do the following: (1) engage in brawling or fighting; or, (2) disturb an assembly or meeting, not unlawful in its character; or, (3) engage in offensive, obscene or abusive language or in boisterous and noisy conduct tending reasonably to arouse alarm, anger or resentment in others; or, (4) willfully and lewdly expose his person or the private parts thereof, or procure another to so expose himself; and any open or gross lewdness or lascivious behavior, or any act of public indecency; or, (5) whether or not posted with signs so prohibiting, voluntarily enter the waters of any river or public swimming pool at any time when said waters are not properly supervised by trained life-saving personnel in attendance for that purpose, or enter such waters without being garbed in a bathing suit sufficient to cover his person and equal to the standards generally adopted and accepted by the public; or, (6) urinate or defecate in a place other than (a) if on public property then in a plumbing fixture provided for that purpose, or (b) if on the private property of another then in a plumbing fixture provided for that purpose, or (c) if on private property not owned or controlled by another, then within a building; or, (7) cause the making or production of an unnecessary noise by shouting or by any other means or mechanism including the blowing of any automobile or other vehicle horn; or, (8) use a sound amplifier upon streets and public property without prior written permission from the City; or, (9) use a flash or spotlight in a manner so as to annoy or endanger others; or, (10) cause defacement, destruction, or otherwise damage to any premises or any property located thereon; or, (11) strew, scatter, litter, throw, dispose of or deposit any refuse, garbage, or rubbish unto any premises except into receptacles provided for such purpose; or, (12) enter any motor vehicle of another without the consent of the owner or operator; or, (13) fail or refuse to vacate or leave any premises after being requested or ordered, whether orally or in writing, to do so, by the owner, or person in charge thereof, or by any law enforcement agent or official; provided, however, that this provision shall not apply to any person who is owner or tenant of the premises involved nor to any law enforcement or other government official who may be present thereon at that time as part of his official duty, nor shall it include the spouse, children, employee or tenant of such owner or occupier.

Source: City Code

Effective Date: 10-1-85

Sigh. You are wrong. The end.

920 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:04:09pm

re: #914 TheMatrix31

Yes...we can?

Please. Don't. Just don't.

:-)

921 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:04:23pm

re: #911 quickjustice

comprised of your fascist countrymen

AND THAT was uncalled for. My countrymen are fighting side by side with your in Afghanistan, as they did in WW2. My countrymen sheltered yours when they needed a place to land on 9/11. My countrymen sheltered yours and helped them to escape when the Iranians took over your Embassy.

I could go on, but I will await your apology.

922 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:04:59pm

If he can't or shouldn't have been be arrested, than maybe we can expect a civil suit from Gates - illegal arrest, violation of his civil rights? What else? Maybe Øbama will testify?

923 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:05:17pm

re: #919 ArmyWife

Why, thank you, ArmyWife. That is very helpful.

924 TheMatrix31  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:05:25pm

re: #920 pink freud

Please. Don't. Just don't.

:-)

So much food on the agenda tonight, that I need to clear up some room by throwing up. That's the best way to do it ;)

925 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:06:12pm

re: #922 unrealizedviewpoint

a civil suit will be filed, citing discrimination no doubt, and wrongful arrest, and perhaps loss of consortium for the hour he spent in the hoosegow. ;)

926 kansas  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:06:21pm
927 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:06:21pm

re: #924 TheMatrix31

LOL!

928 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:07:00pm

re: #915 Buck

You don't escape so easily, pal. You're obsessed with a cop making an arrest in Cambridge, Massachusetts, U.S.A. because left-wing, racialist, cop-hating Professor Gates bad-mouthed him, while ignoring massive free speech violations in your own country? You're criticizing the speck in our eye, while ignoring the log in your own? The word for that is "hypocrite".

My father, a veteran of the Canadian Armed Forces in WWII, would be appalled. He didn't fight for fascist Canada.

929 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:07:05pm

re: #913 Buck

In your living room? Or by extension your porch?

We will see. I bet otherwise.

What do you mean we will see? We already saw.

Act like an asshole and tun your mouth to the cops at your own risk.

930 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:07:13pm

re: #919 ArmyWife

Since you don't like the applicable statute linked, let's try another state, shall we:

[Link: www.ci.buffalo.mn.us...]

SEC. 10.06. DISORDERLY CONDUCT.


[SNIP]

that this provision shall not apply to any person who is owner or tenant of the premises involved.

[SNIP]

LOL

931 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:08:34pm

re: #930 Buck

That is only provision 13. Snicker.

932 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:08:57pm

re: #930 Buck

LOL

TSK TSK TSK.

Illegal snippage. Ding.

"(13) fail or refuse to vacate or leave any premises after being requested or ordered, whether orally or in writing, to do so, by the owner, or person in charge thereof, or by any law enforcement agent or official; provided, however, that this provision shall not apply to any person who is owner or tenant of the premises involved nor to any law enforcement or other government official who may be present thereon at that time as part of his official duty, nor shall it include the spouse, children, employee or tenant of such owner or occupier."

933 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:09:00pm

re: #928 quickjustice

You don't escape so easily, pal. You're obsessed with a cop making an arrest in Cambridge, Massachusetts, U.S.A. because left-wing, racialist, cop-hating Professor Gates bad-mouthed him, while ignoring massive free speech violations in your own country? You're criticizing the speck in our eye, while ignoring the log in your own? The word for that is "hypocrite".

My father, a veteran of the Canadian Armed Forces in WWII, would be appalled. He didn't fight for fascist Canada.

I am NOT IGNORING ANYTHING. I FIGHT EVERYDAY FOR FREEDOM IN CANADA.

Why do you think I am ignoring anything?

934 Ron Paul  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:09:15pm

re: #921 Buck
many Canadians have died in the war on terror, you have a right to say this.

935 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:09:36pm

re: #931 ArmyWife

That is only provision 13. Snicker.

I think that explains Bucks confusion confusion.

936 JustMyView  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:09:40pm

re: #866 Mich-again

How many cops have been killed by people who started off just acting like assholes. As a rule, policemen have a short fuse for people acting like assholes. Deservedly so.

Right, but this incident occurred in an affluent neighborhood in broad daylight. Gates is 58 years old. He is 5'7" and weighs about 150 pounds. He wears glasses and walks with a cane. The officer had been in his house and had, presumably, established that he was unarmed. He was not part of a gang; that is, there was no one else there who would have attacked the officer. I wouldn't say that Gates behaved well, but it seems to me that the officer should have been able to manage this situation more effectively.

937 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:11:04pm

Now that I think about it, on a burglary call, if Crowley wanted to be a real unprofessional prick (given the facts available), he could have gone room to room and tossed the entire residence looking for other perpetrators and weapons under an officer safety exception. Once they enter the residence, they can lawfully search every room under exigent circumstances. And then anything in plain view is fair game also.

/again, once the police get inside a residence, your home is not necessarily your castle

938 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:11:12pm

re: #936 JustMyView

Right, but this incident occurred in an affluent neighborhood in broad daylight. Gates is 58 years old. He is 5'7" and weighs about 150 pounds. He wears glasses and walks with a cane. The officer had been in his house and had, presumably, established that he was unarmed. He was not part of a gang; that is, there was no one else there who would have attacked the officer. I wouldn't say that Gates behaved well, but it seems to me that the officer should have been able to manage this situation more effectively.

He did manage it effectively. He arrested the loud mouth causing the disturbance.

939 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:11:38pm

re: #930 Buck

Your snip only applied to one of the 13 ways to get busted for disorderly conduct. Not to this one..

(3) engage in offensive, obscene or abusive language or in boisterous and noisy conduct tending reasonably to arouse alarm, anger or resentment in others;
940 Erik The Red  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:11:44pm

re: #930 Buck

LOL

(13) fail or refuse to vacate or leave any premises after being requested or ordered, whether orally or in writing, to do so, by the owner, or person in charge thereof, or by any law enforcement agent or official; provided, however, that this provision shall not apply to any person who is owner or tenant of the premises involved nor to any law enforcement or other government official who may be present thereon at that time as part of his official duty, nor shall it include the spouse, children, employee or tenant of such owner or occupier.

That applies to only to number 13 you Reading challenged person.

941 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:11:51pm

re: #937 Killian Bundy

What do you know? You are just a lawyer.

;)

942 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:12:03pm

re: #921 Buck

You demand an apology? I'll give you this: not all Canadians are fascists. But Canadians seem to be tolerating fascist suppression of free speech within their own government by way of the Human "Rights" Commissions.

When you've put the commissions out of business, I'll be effusive in my praise.

943 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:15:44pm

re: #939 Mich-again

Your snip only applied to one of the 13 ways to get busted for disorderly conduct. Not to this one..

OK, I see that I read it fast... in my defense I am replying to 30 people at once.

So yelling while shouting at the officer, the asshole engaged "in offensive, obscene or abusive language or in boisterous and noisy conduct tending reasonably to arouse alarm, anger or resentment in others"?

944 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:16:56pm

re: #936 JustMyView

Right, but this incident occurred in an affluent neighborhood in broad daylight. Gates is 58 years old. He is 5'7" and weighs about 150 pounds. He wears glasses and walks with a cane.

Do those conditions somehow give a person free reign to be an asshole to cops who are doing their job?

945 jorline  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:17:12pm

re: #919 ArmyWife

Book'em Danno!

946 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:19:07pm

re: #942 quickjustice

You demand an apology? I'll give you this: not all Canadians are fascists. But Canadians seem to be tolerating fascist suppression of free speech within their own government by way of the Human "Rights" Commissions.

When you've put the commissions out of business, I'll be effusive in my praise.

When you clear out all the fascists in the USA, you can expect as much from me.

Canadians NO MORE "tolerate fascist suppression of free speech" than Americans. Our bill of rights is just 200 years younger, and are still working out the kinks.

You still owe me an apology for calling my countrymen Fascists.

947 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:20:55pm

re: #943 Buck

OK, I see that I read it fast... in my defense I am replying to 30 people at once.

So yelling while shouting at the officer, the asshole engaged "in offensive, obscene or abusive language or in boisterous and noisy conduct tending reasonably to arouse alarm, anger or resentment in others"?

If you re-read the police report, the officer's statement includes this quote:

"These actions on the behalf of Gates served no legitimate purpose and caused citizens passing by this location to stop and take notice while appearing surprised and alarmed."

948 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:20:56pm

re: #943 Buck

So yelling while shouting at the officer, the asshole engaged "in offensive, obscene or abusive language or in boisterous and noisy conduct tending reasonably to arouse alarm, anger or resentment in others"?


Yeah pretty much. But apparently its OK if you know the President. But a word of caution to all the little people out there.. Don't try this at home.

949 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:21:41pm

re: #946 Buck

While you await you apology, care to address where you made a mistake with your assumption about private property?

950 Capitalist Tool  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:24:14pm

What's that old saw... "know him by the company he keeps?
Rev. Wright
Bill Ayers
Uncle Frank
Prof. Gates

951 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:25:07pm

re: #949 ArmyWife

While you await you apology, care to address where you made a mistake with your assumption about private property?

Nope because it also says he can't "willfully and lewdly expose his person or the private parts thereof"... I just don't see that applying to a person in his own house.

952 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:28:31pm

re: #951 Buck

Nope because it also says he can't "willfully and lewdly expose his person or the private parts thereof"... I just don't see that applying to a person in his own house.

Even if they are standing in front of a picture window while neighbor kids play out front? What about if they are in an internet chat room with minors sending lewd images to them? By your logic, they are in their own house so its all good.

953 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:29:27pm

re: #951 Buck

You missed the private property part? Seriously, get your readers out and try again. I'll wait.

PS - KB is a lawyer here, he is also pretty up on these kinds of things. It's ok to be wrong, I have been a lot. I've also owned up to it. We respect people like that.

954 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:30:47pm

re: #951 Buck

Nope because it also says he can't "willfully and lewdly expose his person or the private parts thereof"... I just don't see that applying to a person in his own house.

You're not legally entitled to verbally abuse a police officer, even inside/em> your residence.

/I don't know how else to explain it to you

955 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:31:38pm

re: #954 Killian Bundy

You're not legally entitled to verbally abuse a police officer, even inside/em> your residence.

/I don't know how else to explain it to you

Thats not fair!
/

956 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:32:41pm

re: #954 Killian Bundy

You're not legally entitled to verbally abuse a police officer, and refuse lawful commands, even inside/em> your residence.

/I don't know how else to explain it to you

957 pink freud  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:33:10pm

Just for some perspective, Buck. Do you believe Castro to be a benevolent leader, loved by the citizens of Cuba?

958 JustMyView  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:35:08pm

re: #944 Mich-again

Do those conditions somehow give a person free reign to be an asshole to cops who are doing their job?

No, but they suggest that this person was unlikely to be a threat to anyone. The charges were dismissed within a few hours, which suggests that, regardless of whether Prof. Gates is an asshole or not, the basis for the arrest was not terribly strong.

959 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:05pm

re: #953 ArmyWife

You missed the private property part? Seriously, get your readers out and try again. I'll wait.

PS - KB is a lawyer here, he is also pretty up on these kinds of things. It's ok to be wrong, I have been a lot. I've also owned up to it. We respect people like that.

I know that, and I would if I thought I was wrong. I think this will all come out from lawyers bigger and better.

This was in the assholes house, he had proven that he belonged there. The officer was already leaving.

It is a very narrow reading to think this man was causing THAT much alarm.

---
I am NOT against the officer. I understand why he did it. I am not defending the asshole. I call him asshole every chance I get.

BUT freedom of speech means he can be an asshole on his own property. He didn't physically threaten the officer, he made him uncomfortable.

960 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:36:31pm

To clarify, you can yell at the police, not recommended.

/but once you refuse to comply with their lawful requests, like quit making a scene in public, you're subject to arrest

961 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:37:16pm

I am going to invoke another saying:

When you argue with a fool, it's hard to tell the difference.

I'm off to bed. Nightsie noodles!

962 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:37:25pm

re: #954 Killian Bundy

You're not legally entitled to verbally abuse a police officer, even inside/em> your residence.

/I don't know how else to explain it to you

Read the police report... verbal abuse or act like an asshole?

963 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:38:22pm

re: #962 Buck

what you said was you can't be arrested for disorderly conduct on private property (his home) and you can. No changing goal posts, friend.

964 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:40:22pm

re: #962 Buck

Read the police report... verbal abuse or act like an asshole?

/disorderly conduct, righteous arrest, charges dropped as often happens with many arrests, earned arrest record

965 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:42:08pm

re: #958 JustMyView

The charges were dismissed within a few hours, which suggests that, regardless of whether Prof. Gates is an asshole or not, the basis for the arrest was not terribly strong.

That sort of thing happens to lots of people every day. Are you implying the police should wait for the detectives and prosecuting attorneys to analyze evidence and testimony before any arrests are made?

966 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:42:08pm

re: #963 ArmyWife

what you said was you can't be arrested for disorderly conduct on private property (his home) and you can. No changing goal posts, friend.

Fine. I admit to simplifying my argument to much. I meant that he can't be arrested for being an asshole on his own property.

I don't see in the report actions that would rise to the level reasonably to arouse alarm, anger or resentment in others.

967 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:43:37pm

re: #966 Buck

I meant that he can't be arrested for being an asshole on his own property.

Well, he was.

/so you might want to rethink that

968 Buck  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:43:56pm

OK, I give...It just isn't important enough to me.

But quickjustice still owes me and all Canadians an apology.

969 ArmyWife  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 7:46:41pm

re: #966 Buck

You are substituting your judgment for the police officer's. I made the point a long time ago the fact charges were not pressed is indicative of this not being a slam dunk DO case. It does not mean, however, the cop acted recklessly or with malice.

I'm glad you recognize that your original premise was flat wrong.

On this note, I'm really going to bed. Have a most pleasant evening.

970 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:22:53pm

re: #968 Buck

It'll be a cold day in hell before I apologize for criticizing the Canadian "Human Rights" Commissions that suppress free speech, and the Canadians who support tolerate them. And yes, I have family who are Canadians.

As I said, on the day those commissions are abolished, and free speech is restored to Canada, I'll congratulate all those responsible for abolition. At this point, the only Canadian I'm aware of who warrants such praise is Mark Steyn.

971 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:39:06am

re: #970 quickjustice

It'll be a cold day in hell before I apologize for criticizing the Canadian "Human Rights" Commissions that suppress free speech, and the Canadians who support tolerate them. And yes, I have family who are Canadians.

As I said, on the day those commissions are abolished, and free speech is restored to Canada, I'll congratulate all those responsible for abolition. At this point, the only Canadian I'm aware of who warrants such praise is Mark Steyn.

I am Canadian and heartily share your contempt for the CHRC. A large & growing number of Canadians do. But you are quite uninformed about the issue. In addition to Mark Steyn, there are several other Canadian journalists fighting back against the Canadian Human Rights Commissions, including Ezra Levant, Kathy Shaidle, MacLeans magazine, and more. Several politicians have joined the call to reign in or abolish the various human rights commissions.

The commissions were initially established as tribunals for settling discrimination cases. Over time they seem to have abrogated more and more powers, never intended, and have extended their scope to other areas of action and taken on an adversarial activist agenda. The people on these commissions who have pushed them into this direction are not, as you described them, "Fascists", but socialists, Leftists and Marxists. We Canadians know who these people are: mostly community organizers, and failed politicians from the NDP and the left wing of the Liberal Party.

However, I do agree with Buck that you slurred all Canadians in your posts simply for the fact that we have a problem which you disapprove of. I could slur all Americans for the fact you have ACORN and a community organizer turned President determined to shovel money their way, but that would be grossly unfair to the 47% of the electorate who voted against Obama last November.

You really ought to apologize to your fellow LGF friends from Canada, not to the CHRCs. Don't try to dodge it by confusing the two issues.

972 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:42:40am

re: #543 Buck

It does happen to many of us. Kenneth and I started squabbling, and now we can't even remember what it was about... in fact I think of him as a close, if not entirely digital friend. I use that as only as an example...

Did we squabble? I have forgotten what it was about too. I always read your posts and find them interesting, intelligent and valuable. If we disagreed on some point, and fell to squabbling, then I would put that down to the fact we both feel strongly about these issues. That is a virtue.

So bring it on, you hoser! ;)

973 Buck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:33:54pm

re: #972 Kenneth

Did we squabble? I have forgotten what it was about too. I always read your posts and find them interesting, intelligent and valuable. If we disagreed on some point, and fell to squabbling, then I would put that down to the fact we both feel strongly about these issues. That is a virtue.

So bring it on, you hoser! ;)

Correct... and I use us as an example to others. It never has to go so far that it gets Charles attention, let alone the banning stick.

974 Buck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:12:22pm

re: #970 quickjustice

It'll be a cold day in hell before I apologize for criticizing the Canadian "Human Rights" Commissions that suppress free speech, and the Canadians who support tolerate them. And yes, I have family who are Canadians.

As I said, on the day those commissions are abolished, and free speech is restored to Canada, I'll congratulate all those responsible for abolition. At this point, the only Canadian I'm aware of who warrants such praise is Mark Steyn.

I didn't ask you to apologize for criticizing the CHRC. I asked you to apologize for calling Canadians fascists. You said that that the CHRC was filled with my fascist countrymen.

You are either misreading everything I write, or purposely acting dense. You have accused me of defending the CHRC, which I have never, and now you are saying that I am asking to to apologize for slamming them. I slam them all the time. I made it very clear... I just don't lump all Canadians in the mix. Like any large group we got good guys and bad guys.

Overall, Canadian countrymen are the good guys. Actually for the first time in my memory... The Canadian Government is sort of right wing while the US is Left...Might explain why our recession is over, and yours is just starting to ramp up again.


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