CBS News Gets Their Smear On

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Charles Cooper of CBS News noticed our post about Barack Obama’s smear of the Cambridge Police Department, and mentioned us in this borderline incoherent editorial: When It’s Not So Black And White.

(CBS) As soon as President Obama was asked for the details in the case were destined to get pushed into the background.

Huh? Want to try that one again, Charles?

For good measure, Little Green Footballs accused President Obama of playing the race card.

What would you call it when the President of the United States says he doesn’t know the facts in a racially charged case, then proceeds to opine about it anyway — and labels the police “stupid,” accusing them of unjustly arresting Prof. Gates, even though he admits he doesn’t know what really happened?

Even the Associated Press seems to think Obama blew it on this one: Obama takes a stand on race — in a divisive case.

Making his first foray into a divisive racial issue, President Barack Obama sided with Henry Louis Gates Jr. after the black scholar’s arrest by a white police officer, a striking departure from Obama’s “post-racial” impartiality.

Saying that the white sergeant acted “stupidly” in arresting Gates, Obama inflamed an already volatile topic. Although he backed off that comment slightly Thursday, Obama stood by his assessment that the arrest of the Harvard professor “doesn’t make sense.”

After years of deftly defusing racial land mines, why did Obama speak out now? Because Gates is a friend and fellow Harvard man? Because racial profiling is an issue close to the president’s heart? Or could Obama, contemplating the idea of a white cop questioning a black man in his own home, have lost his legendary cool?

But when CBS News wants to get its smear on, they point the finger at LGF and say we “accused” Obama of playing the race card — when he very clearly did, and pretty much everyone admits it.

Oh well. I’ll get over it. After all, we’ve received a total of 8 visits all day from the link in Cooper’s editorial.

That’s right. Eight visits from the website of one of America’s major TV networks — the network that tried to tilt a presidential election with fraudulent documents.

Must be lonely at Black Rock these days.

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397 comments
1 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:16:49pm

That's why is called cBS

2 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:18:18pm

"That’s right. Eight visits from the website of one of America’s major TV networks — the network that tried to tilt a presidential election with fraudulent documents." That is what we call a take down folks.

3 TedStriker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:18:23pm

CBS (and the rest of the MFMSM) can just go f**k themselves!

/and they can quote me on that...

4 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:18:29pm

Heh™

He played the race card. Perhaps a little influence from his former Pastor?

5 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:19:25pm

And the irony? If they had just looked two posts up they would have seen Obama being defended from a racist slur/picture.

6 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:19:39pm

Guess they just cannot take when someone states the truth about their "guy" ... hey it came out of "his" mouth ... how can you slant that? ... again ... droolers for Obama ... they are headed for a fall ... maybe they should not have invested so much in a mere "man" ...

There tears will be delicious ...

7 srb1976  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:19:55pm

This would have been a good time for Obama's usual "Now, now, everyone calm down" routine...he finally picks a side on an issue and he blew it (IMO)

8 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:20:45pm

Sometimes you just can't win.

9 Macker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:21:09pm

Looks like I'll be issuing a few million updings this evening.

10 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:21:20pm

8?

Path8tic.

11 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:21:31pm

re: #8 Ringo the Gringo

Sometimes you just can't win.

"I won."

President Barack Obama

12 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:22:15pm

Is it just me or is this sentence incoherent ? :"(CBS) As soon as President Obama was asked for the details in the case were destined to get pushed into the background."

13 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:22:28pm

re: #1 ArchangelMichael

I always thought it was SeeBS...

14 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:22:56pm

re: #11 OldLineTexan

"WE won"...

CBS

15 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:23:00pm
"The fact that blacks and Hispanics are picked up more frequently, and often time for no cause, casts suspicion even when there is good cause. And that's why I think the more that we're working with local law enforcement to improve policing techniques so that we're eliminating potential bias, the safer everybody's going to be."

Pretty boilerplate stuff. Yet remarkably, that was enough to set off a torrent of outrage, real and manufactured, one that eclipsed what was ostensibly the real story of the evening: the administration's proposals to reform the health care system.

Nice try, asshat. That is NOT what set off anything, and you damn well know it.
What a tool.

16 The Other Les  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:23:08pm

Pravdaism in action.

17 srb1976  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:23:29pm

re: #12 MrPaulRevere

Is it just me or is this sentence incoherent ? :"(CBS) As soon as President Obama was asked for the details in the case were destined to get pushed into the background."

It's not just you...I read it a couple of times and still am not quite sure what it's supposed to mean

18 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:23:33pm

re: #12 MrPaulRevere

Is it just me or is this sentence incoherent ? :"(CBS) As soon as President Obama was asked for the details in the case were destined to get pushed into the background."

It is you. The rest of us have become accustomed to MSM incoherency such that it no longer sounds incoherent.

19 Athens Runaway  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:23:39pm

America is just downright mean.

20 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:23:41pm

re: #14 Fenway_Nation

"WE won"...

CBS

FN .. oh, yeah ... it was totally a team effort to get him in the White House ... no friggin doubt about it ...

21 Condor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:23:43pm

Apparently the exchange between Gates and the officer was recorded because the officer's open mike was on. And, according to ABC, Gates was yelling.

22 jaunte  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:24:20pm

re: #12 MrPaulRevere

Is it just me or is this sentence incoherent ? :"(CBS) As soon as President Obama was asked for the details in the case were destined to get pushed into the background."

Yes, and that's a professional writer at work.

23 Sambo  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:24:33pm

"When is Obama going to apologize for this? Why is he stonewalling? He owes us an apology! Does he expect us to believe he is perfect? What is wrong with him that he can't admit to making a simple mistake? Everybody makes mistakes, why can't he admit his?"

/Just echoing the lines that the Left used against Bush during his term.

24 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:24:50pm

In my household CBS was always mocked as "the Communist Broadcasting System"... I prefer "See BS" myself. They've always been the most blowhardy and catastrophically stupid of the big three.

25 solomonpanting  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:25:18pm

re: #6 JacksonTn

maybe they should not have invested so much in a mere "man" ...

He's not. He's a God.

26 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:25:28pm

re: #2 MrPaulRevere

"That’s right. Eight visits from the website of one of America’s major TV networks — the network that tried to tilt a presidential election with fraudulent documents." That is what we call a take down folks.

No, that's what we call a dinosaur organization on its last legs.

27 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:25:43pm

re: #21 Condor

Apparently the exchange between Gates and the officer was recorded because the officer's open mike was on. And, according to ABC, Gates was yelling.

Well then - ABC must be in on the conspiracy with Charles at LGF.

/Just a tantalizing sample of CBS' editorial insight

28 TedStriker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:26:22pm

re: #21 Condor

Apparently the exchange between Gates and the officer was recorded because the officer's open mike was on. And, according to ABC, Gates was yelling.

If that's the case, I sure hope the Cambridge PD releases it, though I think that Gates, Dear Leader, and the others trying to make this about racism and not about the fact that Gates acted like a total ass will do everything in their power to make sure it never sees the light of day.

/I could be wrong though...

29 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:26:29pm

re: #13 Floral Giraffe

I always thought it was SeeBS...

Well I do see BS when I watch cBS.

30 Macker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:26:32pm

re: #13 Floral Giraffe

I always thought it was SeeBS...

1,000,000 updings!

31 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:26:56pm

I've read the CBS article 3 times now. Once quickly and twice slowly.

I'm still looking for the point. Still looking. There it i... nope... still looking.

32 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:27:00pm

Like I mentioned earlier- 0bama was probably looking for a distraction once it was becoming apparent that he wasn't going to get his way before the recess. Having said that, I don't see how transitioning from screwing the pooch on Nationalized Healthcare to stepping in it re: the Cambridge PD really benefits him...

Some of his more ardent supoprters in the Bay State are starting to question him.

33 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:27:11pm

And the morons are still coming in to the witch doctor thread and claiming there's nothing wrong with the picture.

34 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:27:17pm

re: #12 MrPaulRevere

Is it just me or is this sentence incoherent ? :"(CBS) As soon as President Obama was asked for the details in the case were destined to get pushed into the background."

It's not just you.

35 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:27:28pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

No, that's what we call a dinosaur organization on its last legs.

The sooner they go extinct the better.

36 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:27:58pm
37 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:28:37pm

re: #12 MrPaulRevere

Is it just me or is this sentence incoherent ? :"(CBS) As soon as President Obama was asked for the details in the case were destined to get pushed into the background."

I are teh confused this by statement.

38 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:28:46pm

re: #17 srb1976

It's not just you...I read it a couple of times and still am not quite sure what it's supposed to mean

Written in a self-righteous fit of pique and uploaded in a hurry without a good proof-reading, most likely.

Seriously, I'd bet money on that. Watch for the stealth edits later.

39 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:28:51pm

re: #33 Charles

And the morons are still coming in to the witch doctor thread and claiming there's nothing wrong with the picture.

Maybe you need a banner on the "lively" threads, like the McDonald's sign ... "Over Thirty-One Banned Since 2:30pm"

40 TedStriker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:29:16pm

re: #32 Fenway_Nation

Like I mentioned earlier- 0bama was probably looking for a distraction once it was becoming apparent that he wasn't going to get his way before the recess. Having said that, I don't see how transitioning from screwing the pooch on Nationalized Healthcare to stepping in it re: the Cambridge PD really benefits him...

Some of his more ardent supoprters in the Bay State are starting to question him.

Dear Leader's little game of three-card monte may wind up biting him in the ass where it really counts (the unquestioned ramming through of ObamaCare)

41 Macker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:29:30pm

re: #39 OldLineTexan

Maybe you need a banner on the "lively" threads, like the McDonald's sign ... "Over Thirty-One Banned Since 2:30pm"

Or he could insert a script which keeps the update at the top of the page.

42 wee fury  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:29:37pm

I wrote to President Obama and told him what I thought of his statement.

43 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:29:38pm

re: #33 Charles

And the morons are still coming in to the witch doctor thread and claiming there's nothing wrong with the picture.

Like I said; Flies to the bug zapper.

44 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:29:42pm

re: #29 ArchangelMichael

Well I do see BS when I watch cBS.

LOL! I haven't watched any MSM in a long time.
I did watch Glen Beck for a couple of minutes, on mute, just because he gets mentioned here. I think the mute on, was a good thing!

45 The Other Les  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:30:06pm

re: #33 Charles

And the morons are still coming in to the witch doctor thread and claiming there's nothing wrong with the picture.

When Ayn Rand used the term "witch doctor" as a label for the perpetrators of deliberate intellectual frauds it was not meant to be taken literally.

46 Sambo  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:31:02pm

re: #42 wee fury

Yeah, me too. I was civil but blunt in telling him I thought he was way off base, and if anyone was acting stupidly, it was him.

47 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:31:11pm

re: #38 Pawn of the Oppressor

Written in a self-righteous fit of pique and uploaded in a hurry without a good proof-reading, most likely.

Seriously, I'd bet money on that. Watch for the stealth edits later.

I have it screen capped, but fixing typos isn't exactly memory-holing.

48 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:31:37pm
49 JPL17  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:31:54pm

Face it, Charles, even though CBS News is in a death-by-litigation struggle with Dan Blather, they still have it in for you because you helped take down their fair-haired boy. They both deserve to lose.

50 jaunte  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:32:47pm

Charles Cooper begins one sentence with this:

"In the YouTube era, when everyone is potentially a news stenographer..."


suggesting that he may be feeling a tiny bit victimized by the competition that he's getting from the internet.

51 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:33:21pm

This is going to be interesting to see over the next three years or so. Aren't law enforcement officials throughout the country who get cited for heroism above and beyond the call of duty sometimes invited to the White House for a big dinner?

It will be interesting to see how they react to the Used Car Salesman In Chief now that he's painted their brethern as stupid bigots hassling a defenseless old man minding his own business...

It will be quite telling to see if there are even any such functions in the White House during the Used Car Salesman in Chief's administration.

52 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:33:52pm

I ain't never getting over the election you MSM M***f***rs ... you pushed this guy down our throats ... I hope you burn in Obama unemployment hell ... your media is going down and you have just not realized it yet ...

53 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:35:10pm

re: #33 Charles

And the morons are still coming in to the witch doctor thread and claiming there's nothing wrong with the picture.

I have to say that my favorite part of that thread (you know - dark humor "favorite") is the "piece of shit in a glass of Champagne" analogy.

54 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:36:15pm

re: #52 JacksonTn

I ain't never getting over the election you MSM M***f***rs ... you pushed this guy down our throats ... I hope you burn in Obama unemployment hell ... your media is going down and you have just not realized it yet ...

"Socialized health care and Robert Reich-ian labor-center lines be upon you."

- Ancient Islamic blessing

55 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:36:37pm

re: #33 Charles

And the morons are still coming in to the witch doctor thread and claiming there's nothing wrong with the picture.

Thinning the herd

56 Gus  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:36:58pm

A lot of fractured grammar in Cooper's blog post:

I can't pretend to stand in his shoes but with the two men squaring off toe to toe was also two hundred years of American history.

57 SteveC  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:37:05pm

re: #52 JacksonTn

I ain't never getting over the election you MSM M***f***rs ... you pushed this guy down our throats ... I hope you burn in Obama unemployment hell ... your media is going down and you have just not realized it yet ...

Tell us how you really feel!

58 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:37:08pm

re: #54 Pawn of the Oppressor

"Socialized health care and Robert Reich-ian labor-center lines be upon you."

- Ancient Islamic blessing

PotO .. Hey that will work ...

/sorry I guess you can tell I don't like them very much ...

59 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:37:11pm

re: #47 ArchangelMichael

I have it screen capped, but fixing typos isn't exactly memory-holing.

My personal favorite experience with MSM lack-of-editing was the AP story announcing that Teddy Roosevelt had finally been awarded the Medal of Honor, in the latter days of the Clinton administration.

The first version of the story said that it was for the battle of San Juan Hill, Puerto Rico.

60 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:37:45pm
61 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:38:15pm

re: #12 MrPaulRevere

Is it just me or is this sentence incoherent ? :"(CBS) As soon as President Obama was asked for the details in the case were destined to get pushed into the background."

I'm not a typo/grammar/syntax cop for the most part. As long as I can divine someones intent, its all good, I don't say a thing. But this article is not a comment on a blog, its on the official CBS site. Have they layed off the editors?

62 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:39:29pm

So Charles...should we all gather round and form some sort of barrier to protect you from the stegosaurus futiley thrashing around in a tar pit of it's own making?

/Actually, if SeeBS is a dinosaur, what kind of dino would it be?

63 TedStriker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:39:38pm

re: #52 JacksonTn

I ain't never getting over the election you MSM M***f***rs ... you pushed this guy down our throats ... I hope you burn in Obama unemployment hell ... your media is going down and you have just not realized it yet ...

Come on, Jackson, don't hold back...tell us how you really feel!

///

64 Lee Coller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:39:49pm

I was surprised to see James Taranto of the Best of the Web defending the comments.

65 SteveC  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:39:52pm

*sigh*

Can someone tell me - if i go to bed and get up later with insomnia, I don't put my glasses on?

Never have. Maybe I'm a self admitted idiot.

66 esch  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:40:38pm

re: #62 Fenway_Nation

/Actually, if SeeBS is a dinosaur, what kind of dino would it be?

Tyrannoboreus rectum?

67 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:40:54pm

.

Oh well. I’ll get over it. After all, we’ve received a total of 8 visits all day from the link in Cooper’s editorial


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

68 SteveC  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:41:15pm

re: #61 MrPaulRevere

Have they layed off the editors?

The editors are just hoping to get laid again before they die.

69 sngnsgt  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:41:19pm

re: #14 Fenway_Nation

"WE won"...

CBS

Oh yea, tell Dan Rather I want to see the memo!

70 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:41:23pm

re: #45 The Other Les

True, she only used the phrase and did not link it to black people. That difference is crucial.

71 danrudy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:41:30pm

The great thing about Obama making this mistake is that he picked on the wrong cop.
THis Crowly guy seems to have been the black commander choice to teach the class in sensitivity in racial profiling to other officers. ANd, he apparantly was the officer who performed CPR on the Reggie Lewis when he collapsed 16 years ago. Imagine that, he actually tried to save the life of a black man and perhaps even pressed his lips agains the other man to attempt to breathe life into him. This guy sounds like a real racist bastard /s

Meanwhile, Gates is the distingished professor of ...Black Studies. No anger towards whites over there.

Methinks, Bo wishes he had the teleprompter going so he could have avoided this mess

72 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:41:32pm
73 rumcrook  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:41:32pm

re: #53 karmic_inquisitor

yeah mmmhhm no.

ive got to drink champaign at a wedding tommorow.

74 solomonpanting  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:42:05pm

re: #62 Fenway_Nation

Actually, if SeeBS is a dinosaur, what kind of dino would it be?

Extinct

75 realwest  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:43:00pm

re: #54 Pawn of the Oppressor Oh there you are! Ya know I was busy composing a response to your #224 on the prior thread and didn't even realize there was a new thread!
I'll save you the time and effort of going back however here's what I said:

re: #224 Pawn of the Oppressor Hey, I gotta better idea -let's put the quote in context, shall we?
Osama bin Laden, on VIDEO TAPE says HE's the one responsible for 9/11 (y'all may remember that one) and Shiek Omar (or as the MSM shortly started to refer to him as "Blind Shiek Omar") the head of the Taliban which governed Afghanistan at the time yes "YES, bin Laden is here and no we won't turn him over to the Great Satan. You want him you come and get him."
So nine weeks later the US did just that - and I don't recall seeing or hearing about Shiek Omar since. But I've been hearing about the Taliban, and to the extent the Taliban was hiding bin Laden and giving him refuge then I think the destruction of the Taliban is indeed a "victory". I don't particularly WANT to turn over a nice new country to them so they can fuck that up and then give other terrorists places to hide, recruit, arm and train for other attacks on the US.
76 The Other Les  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:43:03pm

I'm up past my normal bedtime.

Good night.

77 sngnsgt  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:43:05pm

re: #73 rumcrook

Be careful, you're going to drink champaign tomorrow and a wedding might break out.

78 Sambo  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:43:13pm

re: #62 Fenway_Nation

Saulis Alinskyus

79 ted  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:43:32pm

My ex-wife is Afro-American. She regrets voting for Obama. She said after calling the Police "stupid" Obama is just a plain thug.

80 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:44:13pm

re: #58 JacksonTn

PotO .. Hey that will work ...

/sorry I guess you can tell I don't like them very much ...

I loathe the media in a Biblical sense. We're talking pillars of fire and bitter water and ashes here. I regard a significant percentage of TV "news" media personnel as being measureably less than human; in fact I respect terrorists more than the average network TV news producer. I refer to news helicopters as "vultures" because they only show up when somebody's bleeding.

I absolutely despise the blood-soaked, amoral, status-quo upholding, politician-fellating "infotainment" media in roughly the same way I loathe repeat child molesters, serial killers, abusers of women and animals, and gangbanger thugs.

So yeah, I know how you feel. I don't like 'em much 'neither.

81 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:44:18pm

Here we go...2008 Police Officer of the Year as presented by Parade Magazine

Not sure if a trip to the White House is part of the official 'kudos', tho'.

82 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:44:19pm

re: #71 danrudy

The great thing about Obama making this mistake is that he picked on the wrong cop.
THis Crowly guy seems to have been the black commander choice to teach the class in sensitivity in racial profiling to other officers. ANd, he apparantly was the officer who performed CPR on the Reggie Lewis when he collapsed 16 years ago. Imagine that, he actually tried to save the life of a black man and perhaps even pressed his lips agains the other man to attempt to breathe life into him. This guy sounds like a real racist bastard /s

Meanwhile, Gates is the distingished professor of ...Black Studies. No anger towards whites over there.

Methinks, Bo wishes he had the teleprompter going so he could have avoided this mess

I think the question was a plant.

83 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:44:24pm

re: #69 sngnsgt

Oh yea, tell Dan Rather I want to see the memo!

Since both CBS and Dan Rather have come, its time for some theme music:

84 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:44:36pm

re: #61 MrPaulRevere

I'm not a typo/grammar/syntax cop for the most part. As long as I can divine someones intent, its all good, I don't say a thing. But this article is not a comment on a blog, its on the official CBS site. Have they layed off the editors?

The brain surgeons over at CBS make the same mistake the lefty blogs make and try and pigeon hole this blog into something it is not. I've noticed that in almost all instances here, the truth trumps politics. Our illustrious author, Mr. Cooper, thought he was tossing one over to an easy target, a punching bag. That tells me he's never been over here before and is going on the KOS/DU/TPM version of LGF. I guess they didn't teach him how to research something at Journalism school?

85 SteveC  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:45:11pm

re: #79 ted

My ex-wife is Afro-American. She regrets voting for Obama. She said after calling the Police "stupid" Obama is just a plain thug.

Another vote bites the dust!

And another one's gone, and another one's gone, and another one bites the dust.

Hey, gonna offend you too! And another one bites the dust!

86 ted  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:45:43pm

Mr. Cooper is functionally illiterate.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:45:48pm

re: #17 srb1976

It's not just you...I read it a couple of times and still am not quite sure what it's supposed to mean

I think it's two sentences, partially written, and accidentally fused into one. It happens more often on the Net than in print, because the copy and paste is so very easy.

88 Lee Coller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:45:58pm

Has anyone commented on this yet:

Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

From the article:

"I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur," Obama told ABC News.

89 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:46:25pm

re: #22 jaunte

Yes, and that's a professional writer at work.

I'm invoking the Iron Fist rule on him and his editor.

90 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:46:33pm
91 danrudy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:46:48pm

re: #82 MandyManners

IF it was a planted question (something Rush Limbaugh also wondered) then BO is dumber then I thought. I mean , how can you premise an answer saying I dont have the facts and then opine as if you did. AND, he called the police department stupid...Oh boy.

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:46:53pm

re: #23 Sambo

"When is Obama going to apologize for this? Why is he stonewalling? He owes us an apology! Does he expect us to believe he is perfect? What is wrong with him that he can't admit to making a simple mistake? Everybody makes mistakes, why can't he admit his?"

/Just echoing the lines that the Left used against Bush during his term.

So you think he shouldn't apologize for his mistakes, and the Left was silly to demand it of Bush?

//

93 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:46:59pm

re: #82 MandyManners


The hardcore Koo-Aid drinkers commenting at The Globe think the question was a plant as well, and that ABC and The Boston Globe are on the payroll of the big insurance companies for diverting their holy and divine commander's attention away from nationaized healthcare with this piddling, insignificant issue that's obviously beneath them...

94 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:47:07pm

Let's see, we've met Wright, Phlegler, Ayers, Dorn...and now Gates. All friends.

Beginning to get the picture America?
No? I thought not.

95 ted  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:47:30pm

re: #85 SteveC

Another vote bites the dust!

And another one's gone, and another one's gone, and another one bites the dust.

Hey, gonna offend you too! And another one bites the dust!

Yup...I smell a tsunami!

96 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:47:45pm

re: #50 jaunte

Charles Cooper begins one sentence with this:


suggesting that he may be feeling a tiny bit victimized by the competition that he's getting from the internet.

Jaunte ... "stenographer" ... I have not heard that since I was forced to learn Gregg shorthand about 40 years ago ... what an idiot ... I would like to see their ratings ... I am going to look them up ... they are fools ...

97 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:47:57pm

re: #94 The Shadow Do

Let's see, we've met Wright, Phlegler, Ayers, Dorn...and now Gates. All friends.

Beginning to get the picture America?
No? I thought not.

Sure, those are his friends, but they have not had ANY influence on him or his worldview...right???

98 Gus  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:47:57pm

Message to Charlie Cooper: stick to technology and computers.

99 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:48:02pm

This is going to escalate further.

/Gates, just today called Crowley a "rogue cop" in front of a taped audience

100 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:48:41pm

re: #88 Lee Coller

Bush said much the same thing, to be fair, that we would not see a surrender ceremony or anything of that nature.

101 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:49:39pm

re: #97 Desert Dog

Sure, those are his friends, but they have not had ANY influence on him or his worldview...right???


They are him, and his is them

102 realwest  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:50:02pm

Hey Charles - c'mon, you knew cBS was just WAITING and HOPING for a chance to get back at you for Rathergate - wherein you exposed Dan Rather, Mary Mapes, "60 Minutes" and probably all of CBS news for using forged documents to make up a bullshit story about George W. Bush and throw the election to John Kerry.
And this drivel is the best they could come up with?

Said it before and I'll say it again, Charles was responsible for beating the CBS's attempt to throw the Presidential election to Kerry. Thank you again, Charles.

103 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:50:08pm

"the network that tried to tilt a presidential election with fraudulent documents."

A thousand years from now, political historians will study that episode and Charles and the famous throbbing memo will be prominently mentioned, probably with an explanation of how the primitive technology worked.
LGF is immortal.

104 Sambo  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:50:13pm

re: #79 ted

The biggest sin that Obama has committed, in my view, is poisoning the well with respect to people legitimately holding out hope that politics could someday change into something better than what we have had for so long. Your wife was not wrong to hope for change. She was, unfortunately, fooled by a very sharp group of thugs and a media that failed to do its job.

105 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:50:14pm

re: #56 Gus 802

A lot of fractured grammar in Cooper's blog post:

Up next on CBS... When Clichés Collide!

106 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:50:22pm

re: #99 Killian Bundy

This is going to escalate further.


[Video]

/Gates, just today called Crowley a "rogue cop" in front of a taped audience

KB ... will this be Obama's next Rev. Wright? ... hey ... he should not have said anything ... he started it ... it was suppose to be about Healthcare ...

107 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:50:27pm
108 SteveC  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:51:18pm

re: #99 Killian Bundy

This is going to escalate further.


[Video]/Gates, just today called Crowley a "rogue cop" in front of a taped audience

Hey, bold move! You've already stolen Bruce Wayne's car, why not piss on Dick Grayson's shoe?

109 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:51:19pm

re: #75 realwest

Oh there you are! Ya know I was busy composing a response to your #224 on the prior thread and didn't even realize there was a new thread!
I'll save you the time and effort of going back however here's what I said:

Remember where Zero is coming from - the official party line is that the Taliban is defeated enough. And of course we know that Pah-keestan is part of the problem, which from all angles is about as unsolvable as North Korea - as in, we'd need to magically conjure up twenty or thirty Marine divisions and drop a few megatons of nukes in certain areas to really solve the problem in a proper, definitive way.

As much as the man on the street wants to see the Taliban crushed into dust and Al Queda erased from the face of G-d's Blue Earth, it's not possible to do so without burning Pakistan to the ground. We know it, and he knows it too - therefore, I think he gave an honest, if typically blinkered, answer.

110 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:51:30pm

re: #99 Killian Bundy

This is going to escalate further.


[Video]

/Gates, just today called Crowley a "rogue cop" in front of a taped audience

Earth to Dr. Gates, if a policeman wants to see your ID, just show him and say thanks...then, you can go into your house and live your life. If you come on as an asshole and press them, they have a habit of arresting you. It was not the color of your skin that got you arrested it was you being an ass.

111 Gus  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:51:32pm

re: #105 Dar ul Harb

Up next on CBS... When Clichés Collide!

When push comes to shove, at the end of the day there's always CBS.

//

112 TedStriker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:51:49pm

re: #82 MandyManners

I think the question was a plant.

I get that feeling too, a Wag The Dog-style attempt at misdirection by a compliant WH press corps to help give cover to Dear Leader and the Donks' inability to ram ObamaCare through before the August recess, since they can't blame it all on the GOP.

To wit, hardly anyone in the MFMSM is talking about that festering clusterf**k, but rather the "war of words" between Obama and Gates on one side and Sgt. Crowley on the other.

113 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:52:00pm

re: #99 Killian Bundy

This is going to escalate further.

/Gates, just today called Crowley a "rogue cop" in front of a taped audience

Gates is untouchable, and what's worse, he knows it. That is what set this whole thing off.

114 realwest  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:52:25pm

re: #88 Lee Coller
Yes, my #75 above and in the prior thread.

115 kilroy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:52:42pm

Those cops in Boston can't take a joke. I had to bail out a law school friend when he tried to stop the police from towing his car, all he said was "I paid your buddies fifty bucks and hour ago to take it off the hook--what are you, the second shift?" Now a professor should get a little leeway.

116 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:53:09pm
117 LatinGent  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:53:26pm

Krauthammer hits hard on Ocare cost neutrality:

In response, the president retreated to a demand that any bill he sign be revenue-neutral. But that's classic misdirection: If the fierce urgency of health-care reform is to radically reduce costs that are producing budget-destroying deficits, revenue neutrality (by definition) leaves us on precisely the same path to insolvency that Obama himself declares unsustainable.

This is the Razor...hoisted on his own petard.

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:53:33pm

re: #107 MikeySDCA

We might want to bear in mind that victory is impossible is Afghanistan, where empires go to die.

Afghanistan is a special kind of place. I think I fully realized how special when I read an article in which an American unit assigned to try to buy up excess guns somewhere in the provinces ran into trouble with a man who had a SOVIET TANK in his yard, and would not give it up because his late brother captured in it battle.

Afghans are f-ing insane, and I say that in the most complimentary possible way.

119 Lee Coller  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:53:33pm

re: #110 Desert Dog

Earth to Dr. Gates, if a policeman wants to see your ID, just show him and say thanks...then, you can go into your house and live your life. If you come on as an asshole and press them, they have a habit of arresting you. It was not the color of your skin that got you arrested it was you being an ass.

Right now it looks like Gates is just getting his 15 minutes of fame, and milking it for all its worth.

120 TedStriker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:53:34pm

re: #99 Killian Bundy

This is going to escalate further.


[Video]/Gates, just today called Crowley a "rogue cop" in front of a taped audience

F**k Professor Gates and the horse he rode in on!

/what a elitist, grievance theater douche...

121 Emperor Norton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:53:54pm

Joe Klein of Time is calling it Gatesgate. That's why he makes the big bucks.

122 realwest  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:53:56pm

re: #93 Fenway_Nation
Isn't the Boston Globe owned by the parent company of the New York Times?

123 wee fury  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:54:33pm

re: #115 kilroy

You are joking, right?

124 TedStriker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:54:40pm

re: #122 realwest

Isn't the Boston Globe owned by the parent company of the New York Times?

I believe so...

125 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:54:58pm

re: #120 talon_262

F**k Professor Gates and the horse he rode in on!

/what a elitist, grievance theater douche...

The politically correct version of that is: "Envelop yourself and the horse you oppressed by riding in on."

126 SteveC  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:55:20pm

re: #122 realwest

Isn't the Boston Globe owned by the parent company of the New York Times?

Why, yes, it is!

/If I were that parent I'd disown those kids!!!

127 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:55:24pm

re: #122 realwest

Yes...they're in dire straits, so no matter what happen between Gates and Sgt. Crowley, this might give them a little reprieve.

128 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:55:25pm

re: #119 Lee Coller

Right now it looks like Gates is just getting his 15 minutes of fame, and milking it for all its worth.

First in line for Race Czar

129 realwest  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:56:15pm

re: #103 Shiplord Kirel
Well Charles and LGF are immortal! (see my #102; beatcha by thismuch! LOL!).

130 ted  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:56:16pm

What kind of message does this send to children and teen-agers when the POTUS calls an officer of the law "stupid"?


Everyday is something new with this administration. It's mind-boggling.

131 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:56:26pm

re: #121 Emperor Norton

I thought for sure there would be some scandal involving the current Sec. of Defense that would get that monicker for sure.

132 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:56:30pm
133 wee fury  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:56:57pm

re: #128 The Shadow Do

First in line for Race Czar

tsk, tsk, tsk. Now, you know most people will read that as Race Car.

134 SteveC  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:57:05pm

re: #127 Fenway_Nation

Yes...they're in dire straits, so no matter what happen between Gates and Sgt. Crowley, this might give them a little reprieve.

No one saw what happened inside the house. Did Gates become one of the Sultans of Swing?

135 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:57:25pm
136 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:57:32pm

re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist

You mean the country where the national sport is where they play a version of rugby only with the headless carcass of a goat in leiu of a ball?

137 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:57:40pm

Maybe seeBS is mad they have to keeping dealing with Rather, so they're taking it out on Charles.

138 SteveC  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:57:40pm

re: #130 ted

What kind of message does this send to children and teen-agers when the POTUS calls an officer of the law "stupid"?

Everyday is something new with this administration. It's mind-boggling.

UPDING! And I owe you a few extra!

139 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:57:48pm

re: #90 MikeySDCA

Friend, I largely agree with you, but from your tone it seems you take all of this a shade too seriously.

It's a bad habit to take me seriously.

I fast forward through commercials and hit "mute" if the TV news comes on. I won't ever work for a network, and if I see a TV news van out anywhere I'll avoid it (you'll never see me on camera). Generally I hope the worst of them get what they deserve because I think they sin against human decency on a daily basis by preying on fear.

Of course I don't dislike the weather people... They're great, especially in this part of Texas.

141 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:58:25pm

re: #107 MikeySDCA

Let me guess, you also have a problem with the Federal Reserve?

142 kilroy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 9:59:53pm

#123 wee fury
Absolute truth--Kinky red hair and freckles, just a nerd in handcuff.

143 ted  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:00:06pm

UPDATE:

"With one or two exceptions, the responses to this post have been strikingly respectful. I thought this e-mail was interesting:

I am a bail bondsman in Florida. ROWOV (resisting officer without violence can be charged anytime a person does not follow an officer’s directive. If you are told to “stand over there” and do not, you are subject to arrest.

It is a misdemeanor in Florida and a $250 bond. These types are charges are dropped later in most cases.

It does, however, allow the defendant the opportunity to reflect on the error of his ways as he is cuffed, transported to jail, processed in, and bailed out.

Here in sunny Florida, the person will have six to eight hours to reflect.

You should also know that many ROWV (resisting officer violence) charges are not prosecuted.

Only in cases where the officer is injured, or the defendant has other charges will the charge not be dropped at some point."

Case closed.

[Link: campaignspot.nationalreview.com...]

144 rumcrook  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:00:24pm

for me the most upsetting thing is just how far the narcissist in chief is willing to go in the politics of personal destruction.

he is even willing to help a truly crapweasil of a friend defame and destroy a man and his career just an average joe.

just as he was willing to try and destroy joe the plumber for asking a question that completely shoewed him for what he is and was

the mask slipped.

to bad the american people were unwilling to see it.

145 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:00:38pm

re: #111 Gus 802

When push comes to shove, at the end of the day there's always CBS.

//

Yes, they're taking it on the chin, it's another black eye for CBS with both left feet in their mouth. Back to you, Gus.

146 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:00:48pm
147 ted  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:01:11pm

re: #138 SteveC

UPDING! And I owe you a few extra!

Thx friend!

148 LatinGent  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:01:19pm

re: #130 ted

What kind of message does this send to children and teen-agers when the POTUS calls an officer of the law "stupid"?


Everyday is something new with this administration. It's mind-boggling.


Dad would say this was a terrible message, but a chance for a great lesson

149 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:01:43pm

re: #141 MrPaulRevere

FYI- there will be a spinoff tomorrow night for a Sowell book chat. Wanted to let you know so you could join if you liked.

150 TedStriker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:01:55pm

re: #144 rumcrook

for me the most upsetting thing is just how far the narcissist in chief is willing to go in the politics of personal destruction.

he is even willing to help a truly crapweasil of a friend defame and destroy a man and his career just an average joe.

just as he was willing to try and destroy joe the plumber for asking a question that completely shoewed him for what he is and was

the mask slipped.

to bad the american people were unwilling to see it.

How can they when the MFMSM is running blocker for Dear Leader most of the time?

151 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:01:59pm

re: #133 wee fury

tsk, tsk, tsk. Now, you know most people will read that as Race Car.

Race Czars have no brook with race cars. Racerists on the other hand...

152 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:02:05pm

BTW, if you have a chance, check out the racist photo thread. Charles just had to boot another troll. A whole week with no meltdown, and it piles up in one thread.

153 realwest  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:02:05pm

re: #107 MikeySDCA
Ya know, I've got a friend who served as a translator in Afghanistan for the USAF. He told me the same exact thing - same words iirc! - and then nine weeks later the government of the Taliban was GONESKI.
And if Obama has any genuine guts, he'll make sure it stays GONESKI.
Bush's mistake was invading Iraq and expecting NATO (NATO?!) to finish the job. I understand the British, Canadians and Dutch did their best, undermanned and underequipped as they were but the other Nato Allies didn't. Period.
If Obama wanted to (he doesn't) he could make sure that the primitive barbarians known as the Taliban would never, ever again be in power in Afghanistan.

154 huckfunn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:02:16pm

BO is now making serious gaffes on a daily basis. In the past 24 hours we've had "Stupid Cops" and "Victory not necessarily a goal". My advise would be to send in Joe Biden in to do a little troubleshooting.

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:02:25pm

re: #136 Fenway_Nation

You mean the country where the national sport is where they play a version of rugby only with the headless carcass of a goat in leiu of a ball?

Yeah, that's the place I was thinking of...

156 Gus  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:02:59pm

re: #145 Dar ul Harb

Yes, they're taking it on the chin, it's another black eye for CBS with both left feet in their mouth. Back to you, Gus.

Thanks Har. Coming up after this commercial break, Lara Logan with an exclusive look at Barack Obama's favorite afternoon snacks.

//

157 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:03:18pm

Fear the rogue policeman, unless you're white, then you're screwed.

/otherwise feel free to rant away against the apartheid

158 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:03:22pm
159 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:03:57pm

re: #136 Fenway_Nation

You mean the country where the national sport is where they play a version of rugby only with the headless carcass of a goat in leiu of a ball?

I once attended a chicken pull, in NM, USA

160 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:03:58pm

re: #154 huckfunn

WTF did he say "Victory not necessarily a goal" about?

I missed that one.

What a loser comment.

161 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:04:09pm

re: #149 Sharmuta

Yes I would, of course.

162 huckfunn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:05:02pm

re: #160 Ojoe

Afghanistan. Check the previous thread down toward the bottom. It's also in the spinoff links of that thread.

163 realwest  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:05:15pm

re: #109 Pawn of the Oppressor Well respectfully Pawn of the Oppressor, I don't want to clog up this thread with arguing over that all over again.
Let's just say that I disagree with your assessment of what it would take to deny refuge to Al-Q or the Taliban in Pakistan and agree to disagree, ok?

164 SteveC  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:05:26pm

*...race card being played.*

Gates drops the race card on the table, starts to collect the pot. Looks up to see a six shooter in his face. The saloon clears.

Crowly smiles and says "You be cheatin'!"

165 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:05:41pm

You have to forgive CBS. They are not used to to the concept of accusing somebody of something they actually did. They're more comfortable with
Fake But Accurate™

166 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:05:53pm

re: #162 huckfunn

I can't believe that asshole

167 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:05:59pm

Don't forget to use the report button (the exclamation point icon), folks. I'm expecting more meltdowns in that thread.

I'm absolutely astounded, and quite appalled, that there are so many people with LGF accounts who will defend a blatantly racist image like that.

168 ted  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:05:59pm

re: #148 LatinGent

Dad would say this was a terrible message, but a chance for a great lesson

A lesson that authority can and should be challenged; whether a parent, teacher, cop, boss, etc.

Disturbing.

169 Macker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:06:12pm

re: #109 Pawn of the Oppressor

Remember where Zero is coming from - the official party line is that the Taliban is defeated enough. And of course we know that Pah-keestan is part of the problem, which from all angles is about as unsolvable as North Korea - as in, we'd need to magically conjure up twenty or thirty Marine divisions and drop a few megatons of nukes in certain areas to really solve the problem in a proper, definitive way.

Would this map be definitive enough?

170 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:06:29pm
171 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:06:43pm

I hope Bill Ayers pulls this shit when he gets locked out of his house in Chicago and tries breaking back in during the middle of the night...

172 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:06:57pm

Racists are still showing up on the Witch Doctor thread. I'm as surprised as anyone else.

173 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:07:12pm

re: #163 realwest

Check your email, RW. I just got that email off to you.

174 SteveC  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:07:36pm

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

BTW, if you have a chance, check out the racist photo thread. Charles just had to boot another troll. A whole week with no meltdown, and it piles up in one thread.

Damn! They're stacking the bodies like cordwood!

175 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:07:51pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Racists are still showing up on the Witch Doctor thread. I'm as surprised as anyone else.

Charles is going to need nuclear rat poison to get rid of that infestation.

176 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:08:17pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Racists are still showing up on the Witch Doctor thread. I'm as surprised as anyone else.

They are persistent. I mean, Lee surrendered to Grant 144 years ago.

177 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:08:19pm

re: #107 MikeySDCA

We might want to bear in mind that victory is impossible is Afghanistan, where empires go to die.

The latest Buchanan/Paul talking point. This is what others have called the anti-American right.

178 Gus  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:08:38pm

Top 4 most trusted newscasters.

4. Starting at the bottom we have CBS' Katie Couric at 7%.
3. Charlie Gibson of ABC at 19%.
2. Brian Williams of NBC comes in at 29%.

1. And the number one most trusted newscaster is Jon Stewart of Comedy Cetnral at 44%.

/Not satire.

179 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:08:57pm

re: #171 Fenway_Nation

I hope Bill Ayers pulls this shit when he gets locked out of his house in Chicago and tries breaking back in during the middle of the night...

FN ... hahaha .. remember when that little b*tch was being followed by reporters and then he called the cops to get them off of his property ... I guess it was okay to blow them up but then when he needed them ... well, who did he call? ...

180 huckfunn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:09:09pm

re: #166 Ojoe

Believe it. He's an asshole.

181 Macker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:09:32pm

re: #178 Gus 802

So all the guys are on top of Katie Couric. Imagine that...

182 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:09:32pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Racists are still showing up on the Witch Doctor thread. I'm as surprised as anyone else.

Racists in the Witch Doctor thread?

That's some bad juju.

183 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:09:55pm

re: #180 huckfunn

What a one too.

184 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:10:39pm
185 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:10:45pm

Come Halloween, let's all go trick-or-treating at Henry Louis Gates Jr.'s house dressed as Cambridge policemen.

186 SteveC  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:11:25pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Racists are still showing up on the Witch Doctor thread. I'm as surprised as anyone else.

Just in case no one has gone there yet...

I told the witch doctor
I was in love with you
I told the witch doctor
I was in love with you
And then the witch doctor
He told me what to do

He said

Ooo eee,ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla, bing bang
Ooo eee ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla bing bang...
Ooo eee ,ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla ,bing bang
Ooo eee ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla bing bang

187 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:11:32pm

re: #184 MikeySDCA

Then perhaps you should stop parroting their rhetoric.

188 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:11:42pm

re: #171 Fenway_Nation

I hope Bill Ayers pulls this shit when he gets locked out of his house in Chicago and tries breaking back in during the middle of the night...

Quick, somebody steal his keys.

189 huckfunn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:11:50pm

the witch doctor site:youtube.com

190 Gus  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:12:02pm

re: #181 Macker

So all the guys are on top of Katie Couric. Imagine that...

Yep, "Gidget" is last. I'm guessing she'll be history soon. Her ratings and her salary don't match.

191 realwest  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:12:26pm

re: #160 Ojoe
Hey Ojoe my friend - please see my #75 and then go to Pawn's comment #224 on the prior thread for the full quote.

192 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:13:03pm

re: #174 SteveC

Damn! They're stacking the bodies like cordwood!

I know. I'm thinking that since we can't eat all that troll meat, we should mince some of it and throw it in the river. The sea kittens can fatten on it.

///

193 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:13:21pm

re: #160 Ojoe

He's turning into a bigger gaffe factory than Biden.

194 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:13:44pm

re: #167 Charles

Don't forget to use the report button (the exclamation point icon), folks. I'm expecting more meltdowns in that thread.

I'm absolutely astounded, and quite appalled, that there are so many people with LGF accounts who will defend a blatantly racist image like that.

If someone photoshopped Obama with a bucket of chicken and a slice of watermelon, we would have:
* it's just satire
* it's no different then what "they" did to Bush, Rice, Cheney..
* the message is important, forget the image
* the Dems do it so we should too
* etc, etc, etc.

If you got thirty, there are probably at least anothe thirty in the weeds.

I had no idea until now that the hatred ran this deep.

195 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:13:55pm
196 ted  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:14:16pm

Maybe this will rid the racists at the Witchdoctor thread:

197 TedStriker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:14:38pm

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

I know. I'm thinking that since we can't eat all that troll meat, we should mince some of it and throw it in the river. The sea kittens can fatten on it.

///

Can't we just fix all the surplus gamey troll buttocks up as jerky (with a nice marinade first), so we have a supply when trolls are scarce?

///

198 Hengineer  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:14:45pm

I saw the story and immediately thought Obama himself was stupid. He is not looking or acting Presidential at all.

He should've said "I have no comment on this, I'm sure an inquiry will come to a just conclusion to the matter".

He is a federally elected official, he has no business making a statement on a local police department issue.

199 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:15:02pm
200 rumcrook  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:15:06pm

re: #193 ArchangelMichael

I would describe them less as gaffes and more as the mask over his real beliefs slipping.

201 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:15:28pm

re: #191 realwest

OK Thanks

202 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:15:40pm

BTW...if 0bama and prof. gates wants to keep on playing the race card, I think we should ju-jistsu another favorite tactic of theirs against them:

Class warfare.

Unhinged race-baiting whackademic who has connections with the governor and president of the United States of America as well as upscale residences in Cambridge and Martha's Vineyard MA versus and easily makes six figures annually...

versus a veteran police sargeant.

203 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:16:02pm

re: #194 The Shadow Do

If someone photoshopped Obama with a bucket of chicken and a slice of watermelon, we would have:
* it's just satire
* it's no different then what "they" did to Bush, Rice, Cheney..
* the message is important, forget the image
* the Dems do it so we should too
* etc, etc, etc.

If you got thirty, there are probably at least anothe thirty in the weeds.

I had no idea until now that the hatred ran this deep.

I'm not sure its that. I think that what we missed is the level of ODS on the right. It worse than I thought a it seems to have taken root in the lizard army, even claiming the account of Nevergiveup, a major contributor. Sad times, and the Bad Craziness continues to spread.

204 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:16:48pm

re: #198 Hengineer

He is a federally elected official, he has no business making a statement on a local police department issue.

TOTUS no doubt reminded him of that later, and is preparing a statement "clarifying" the President's remarks.

/

205 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:16:59pm

re: #184 MikeySDCA

Since I despise both of the named morons, I suppose I should resent your comment. But I don't. Perhaps you might want to consider the facts.

Victory in Afghanistan will require buying off the appropriate warlords OR making their lives unbearable. The days of just leaving them to themselves is over now though. They harbor bad guys that come over here and blow up our buildings and kill our people. So, if we leave and that happens again...what are we to do? Militarily, we could crush them like bugs...it's what happens afterwards that is the problem. We need to make them see that having friends like the Taliban and AQ is not healthy for them or their people...if we bring that point home, they should see the light...otherwise, we will come back in there and have to really hurt them. Luckily for them, we lack the political will to do much more than we are doing now...It's a tough call, that is for sure. Unwinnable? I think we can win...but it will take different tactics than the ones we are using now, that is for sure.

206 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:17:32pm
207 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:17:40pm

re: #197 talon_262

Can't we just fix all the surplus gamey troll buttocks up as jerky (with a nice marinade first), so we have a supply when trolls are scarce?

///

That sounds like a good plan. Can you get a watertight container big enough to marinate a dozen trolls?

208 Hengineer  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:17:48pm

re: #204 Dar ul Harb

TOTUS no doubt reminded him of that later, and is preparing a statement "clarifying" the President's remarks.

/

One would hope...

Pres. Bush must have a permanent crook in his neck from all the head shaking he must be doing at his ranch.

209 poteen  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:18:40pm

re: #153 realwest

You know RW that "graveyard of empires" garbage pisses me off.
First, comparing 19th century British horse cavalry to the 21st century American military is plain stupid.
Second, the Afghan Mujahadeen of the 80s wouldn't have lasted long if they hadn't had help from some foreign worker bees with big stingers.

210 Hengineer  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:19:20pm

re: #209 poteen

You know RW that "graveyard of empires" garbage pisses me off.
First, comparing 19th century British horse cavalry to the 21st century American military is plain stupid.
Second, the Afghan Mujahadeen of the 80s wouldn't have lasted long if they hadn't had help from some foreign worker bees with big stingers.

Let alone all the money we gave them as well.

211 TedStriker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:19:25pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

I'm not sure its that. I think that what we missed is the level of ODS on the right. It worse than I thought a it seems to have taken root in the lizard army, even claiming the account of Nevergiveup, a major contributor. Sad times, and the Bad Craziness continues to spread.

I wonder how long it'll take Nevergiveup to be pulled over to the Dark Side of the Deuce, barring a reconciliation with Charles? I certainly hope they don't go there...

/no sarc...

212 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:19:29pm

re: #205 Desert Dog

Victory in Afghanistan will require buying off the appropriate warlords OR making their lives unbearable. The days of just leaving them to themselves is over now though. They harbor bad guys that come over here and blow up our buildings and kill our people. So, if we leave and that happens again...what are we to do? Militarily, we could crush them like bugs...it's what happens afterwards that is the problem. We need to make them see that having friends like the Taliban and AQ is not healthy for them or their people...if we bring that point home, they should see the light...otherwise, we will come back in there and have to really hurt them. Luckily for them, we lack the political will to do much more than we are doing now...It's a tough call, that is for sure. Unwinnable? I think we can win...but it will take different tactics than the ones we are using now, that is for sure.

DD... ask the Russians how easy it is to win in Afghanistan .. it is tough terrain ... our guys are the best ... but we need everything we got in that place and if Obama is not willing to give them everything we have then he needs to say so now ... it is blood being spilled over there not votes ...

213 realwest  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:19:30pm

re: #170 MikeySDCA
Well it reminds me of when I was 22 and in Cambodia Vietnam as an infantryman for the US Army.
But you're basic point about Afghanistan (and Pakistan too, frankly) is correct - but the particular brand of barbarian we faced in the Taliban is responsible for hiding and trying to protect the one guy who planned the attacks of 9/11. I see no reason whatsoever to allow the Taliban to continue to have any influence in Afghanistan.

214 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:19:32pm
I'd guess that many, if not most, military casualties are caused by people who made poor choices, ignored orders or were careless or stupid.

/teed up

215 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:20:11pm

re: #211 talon_262

I wonder how long it'll take Nevergiveup to be pulled over to the Dark Side of the Deuce, barring a reconciliation with Charles? I certainly hope they don't go there...

/no sarc...

I liked Nevergiveup...It was sad to see him go...

216 timhinhou  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:20:18pm

re: #198 Hengineer

Didn't watch last night but can only assume he was not working from the teleprompter for that one.

217 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:21:27pm

re: #191 realwest

Well the full quote is better, but Mr. Obama is unclear on how carefully a president must speak & he should have said what victory means in this case, not that he is shy of using the word.

What an unleader to use tfk's word.

Good Night all.

218 Hengineer  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:21:31pm

re: #216 timhinhou

Didn't watch last night but can only assume he was not working from the teleprompter for that one.

I read it from an AP story on Fox News.

219 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:21:40pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

I'm not sure its that. I think that what we missed is the level of ODS on the right. It worse than I thought a it seems to have taken root in the lizard army, even claiming the account of Nevergiveup, a major contributor. Sad times, and the Bad Craziness continues to spread.

If not hatred, then fear. In any case it is not healthy. There are arguments to be made, but few seem able to do the work.

220 Hengineer  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:21:54pm

re: #218 Hengineer

I read it from an AP story on Fox News.

I was just saying what I think he SHOULD have said AS THE PRESIDENT.

221 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:21:59pm

re: #211 talon_262

I wonder how long it'll take Nevergiveup to be pulled over to the Dark Side of the Deuce, barring a reconciliation with Charles? I certainly hope they don't go there...

/no sarc...

I hope he comes to see the error of his ways and is allowed to return. Sadly, given the high level of emotion on that thread, what I expect to find is that he takes up with Rodan and his crowd. Very sad.

222 TedStriker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:22:40pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

That sounds like a good plan. Can you get a watertight container big enough to marinate a dozen trolls?

Surely we can get some empty 55-gallon drums from a couple of Large Sicilian Gentlemen from New Jersey...

223 Wendya  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:23:16pm

CBS? They still advertise themselves as a News agency?

224 sngnsgt  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:23:22pm

re: #213 realwest

Hey Real, sent you an e-mail. No rush, read when you get a chance.

225 Hengineer  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:23:27pm

OT: has anyone else seen the story that Osama may actually be believed dead?

I saw it on fox, they were showing some of his family going to a funeral or something? I don't know...

226 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:23:31pm

re: #212 JacksonTn

DD... ask the Russians how easy it is to win in Afghanistan .. it is tough terrain ... our guys are the best ... but we need everything we got in that place and if Obama is not willing to give them everything we have then he needs to say so now ... it is blood being spilled over there not votes ...

One difference is we are not there to conquer them or take their land...We are adding them to our "Empire".

We can't leave and let it slide back into anarchy...look who will fill the vacuum. The days of Afghanistan festering like it was in from the 1980's to now are hopefully over. But, with Obama in now...who knows.

227 realwest  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:23:52pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon
Nevergiveup was banned? Anyone else we know? (I mean I think there's about 2,500 registered LGFer's but probably less than 750 comment out here).

228 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:24:03pm
229 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:24:16pm

re: #213 realwest

I do not believe Afghanistan is a lost cause. The easiest way to lose a war is to quit fighting it. Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan would have us turn tail and pull up the drawbridge on fortress America. I reject this, its a formula for disaster.

230 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:25:47pm

re: #227 realwest

Nevergiveup was banned? Anyone else we know? (I mean I think there's about 2,500 registered LGFer's but probably less than 750 comment out here).

All the rest were infrequent posters, and I think a few stealth dingers as well. Nevergiveup was the only major loss.

231 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:26:06pm
232 realwest  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:26:16pm

re: #229 MrPaulRevere
Nor do I - did I type something to make you think I did?
It'll be a longer, harder slog with Obama as CiC but it can and should be done. Period.

233 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:26:32pm

The President Obama who just played the race card ... is that the same President Obama who gave Gordon Brown those dumb DVD. Because if it is, the guy sure does some stupid things.

234 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:26:49pm

This is HelloDare's Press Secretary.

I want to make it perfectly clear that HelloDare does not believe that the President is stupid.

235 TedStriker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:26:57pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

I hope he comes to see the error of his ways and is allowed to return. Sadly, given the high level of emotion on that thread, what I expect to find is that he takes up with Rodan and his crowd. Very sad.

If that turns out to be the case (as it was with some of our formerly respected members), I only have one thing to say:

F**k 'em...life's too damn short to worry about whether the guy in the foxhole with you is just waiting for the right time to stick a knife in your back.

236 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:26:59pm

re: #226 Desert Dog

One difference is we are not there to conquer them or take their land...We are adding them to our "Empire".

We can't leave and let it slide back into anarchy...look who will fill the vacuum. The days of Afghanistan festering like it was in from the 1980's to now are hopefully over. But, with Obama in now...who knows.

DD ... to them we are trying to add them to our empire ... or something like that ... it is war ... we are the enemy ... how many times are we going to go into a war zone and not complete the mission ... why can we not go all in and do it ... I understand all the collateral damage stuff but if we are not willing to do it 100 percent then what is is the point? ... we have been down this road before ...

237 SteveC  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:27:01pm

WTF got in the water in the Witch Doctor thread?

Did someone open all seven seals at once? I have never seen anything like that!

238 Hengineer  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:27:22pm

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

All the rest were infrequent posters, and I think a few stealth dingers as well. Nevergiveup was the only major loss.

What did he do?

239 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:27:29pm

re: #225 Hengineer

OT: has anyone else seen the story that Osama may actually be believed dead?

I saw it on fox, they were showing some of his family going to a funeral or something? I don't know...

Intell thinks we killed Osama bin Laden's son, Saed. They think that he got wasted in an airstrike last month.

240 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:27:29pm
241 Hengineer  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:28:01pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

Intell thinks we killed Osama bin Laden's son, Saed. They think that he got wasted in an airstrike last month.

oh, well even if its not the man himself, SWEET! lol

242 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:28:40pm

re: #232 realwest

That was a slip of the finger RW, I meant to reply to MikeySDCA.

243 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:28:44pm

re: #238 Hengineer

What did he do?

I don't know. Charles deleted a lot of his posts and I was in transit at the time of the ban.

244 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:29:06pm

re: #233 HelloDare

The President Obama who just played the race card ... is that the same President Obama who gave Gordon Brown those dumb DVD. Because if it is, the guy sure does some stupid things.

Yup, same guy, I'm purty shur...

If'n only I wuz smarter I cud say fer shur..

245 Hengineer  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:29:17pm

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

I don't know. Charles deleted a lot of his posts and I was in transit at the time of the ban.

I was hoping a response from someone who was in the thread at the time that Nevergiveup did anything bad that pissed off Charles...

246 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:30:53pm

re: #245 Hengineer

I was hoping a response from someone who was in the thread at the time that Nevergiveup did anything bad that pissed off Charles...

H ... it came down to finally about snipping between Killgore and NGU ...

247 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:30:56pm

re: #245 Hengineer

I was hoping a response from someone who was in the thread at the time that Nevergiveup did anything bad that pissed off Charles...

Picking on Killgore.

248 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:31:09pm

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

I don't know. Charles deleted a lot of his posts and I was in transit at the time of the ban.

The closest comment from Charles said something about "sniping" (as in criticism of the editor, I think).

249 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:33:22pm

re: #237 SteveC

I originally posted the story as a throw away. I had no idea so many people would melt down over it. I never even imagined.

250 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:33:42pm

re: #228 MikeySDCA

Squashing them like bugs, in the conditions there, means killing many civilians. We can say these guys use human shields, or we can understand that they live and do their thing in compounds that are primitive fortresses and also homes for extended families. Do you truly want to engage in mass murder?

Mass murder? HUH? Re-read my post.

I think these people just want to live their lives in the way they always have. They do not want our type of democracy, they do not want to be like us. But, they have a problem now. The world has gotten much smaller and what happens in caves in Afghanistan now effects people here in the USA. The local Pashtun warlord now has to make a decision. Does he want to harbor AQ types and make nice with the Taliban? If so, he is putting himself and his people in harms way. We do not have to invade and send over 100,000 marines. We can reach out and touch someone just about anytime and any place we want. With proper intelligence, we can make having bad friends deadly.

However, we do not have to use all stick, we should use some carrots too. Afghanistan and the tribal regions of Pakistan are dirt poor. Investing in some infrastructure and bringing modern things to these people can go a long way too.

My point is we cannot disengage...we cannot leave and surrender...we have to do something about that mess.

251 TedStriker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:34:03pm

re: #245 Hengineer

I was hoping a response from someone who was in the thread at the time that Nevergiveup did anything bad that pissed off Charles...

The best I can gather is this:

Nevergiveup apparently didn't see anything wrong with the chop of Obama-as-witch-doctor in the "Disgusting Racist of the Day" thread a few back and kept defending it...Charles gave him plenty of chances to see the light, but Charles' patience ran out.

252 Hengineer  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:35:30pm

ok thanks...

253 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:35:46pm

re: #251 talon_262

The best I can gather is this:

Nevergiveup apparently didn't see anything wrong with the chop of Obama-as-witch-doctor in the "Disgusting Racist of the Day" thread a few back and kept defending it...Charles gave him plenty of chances to see the light, but Charles' patience ran out.

talon .. that is not the whole story ... it came down to snipping with Killgore ...

254 Hengineer  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:35:51pm

I love this, Obama ain't lookin for "victory" in Afghanistan, and then he uses words "like" and "you know"

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

President Obama has put securing Afghanistan near the top of his foreign policy agenda, but "victory" in the war-torn country isn't necessarily the United States' goal, he said Thursday in a TV interview.

"I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur," Obama told ABC News.

The enemy facing U.S. and Afghan forces isn't so clearly defined, he explained.

"We're not dealing with nation states at this point. We're concerned with Al Qaeda and the Taliban, Al Qaeda's allies," he said. "So when you have a non-state actor, a shadowy operation like Al Qaeda, our goal is to make sure they can't attack the United States."

The United States and Afghanistan are struggling to shore up security in the country, amid increasing violence. The Obama administration this year stepped up U.S. military operations in the country as the U.S. military presence begins to wind down in Iraq.

"We are confident that if we are assisting the Afghan people and improving their security situation, stabilizing their government, providing help on economic development ... those things will continue to contract the ability of Al Qaeda to operate. And that is absolutely critical," Obama told ABC News.

Rising casualties in Afghanistan are raising doubts among U.S. allies about the conduct of the war, forcing some governments to defend publicly their commitments and foreshadowing possible long-term trouble for the U.S. effort to bring in more resources to defeat the Taliban.

Pressure from the public and opposition politicians is growing as soldiers' bodies return home, and a poll released Thursday shows majorities in Britain, Germany and Canada oppose increasing their own troop levels in Afghanistan.

Europeans and Canadians are growing weary of the war -- or at least their involvement in combat operations -- even as Obama is shifting military resources to Afghanistan away from Iraq.

The United States, which runs the NATO-led force, has about 59,000 troops in Afghanistan -- nearly double the number a year ago -- and thousands more are on the way. There are about 32,000 other international troops in the country.

The new U.S. emphasis on Afghanistan has raised the level of fighting -- and in turn, the number of casualties. July is already the deadliest month of the war for both U.S. and NATO forces with 63 international troops killed, including 35 Americans and 19 Britons. Most have been killed in southern Afghanistan, scene of major operations against Taliban fighters in areas that had long been sanctuaries.

The leaders of the largest contributors to the coalition find themselves having to justify both their reasons for deploying troops and their management of the war effort. Britain, Italy and Australia are among those adding forces ahead of Afghanistan's Aug. 20 presidential election.

They say a Western pullout at this time would enable a resurgent Taliban to take over the country and give Al Qaeda more space to plan terror attacks against the West. Some emphasize humanitarian aspects of their missions, like development aid and civilian reconstruction.

255 Sambo  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:36:17pm

re: #228 MikeySDCA

With respect, how do you distinguish "war" from "mass murder?" Innocent people die in both kinds of actions. What is the essential difference between the two, in your view?

256 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:36:31pm

re: #251 talon_262

The best I can gather is this:

Nevergiveup apparently didn't see anything wrong with the chop of Obama-as-witch-doctor in the "Disgusting Racist of the Day" thread a few back and kept defending it...Charles gave him plenty of chances to see the light, but Charles' patience ran out.

He was going after Killgore too hard and did not heed Charles request to tone it down IIRC. I did not see him post anything stupid about the Witch Doctor thread.

257 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:36:35pm

re: #247 Sharmuta

Picking on Killgore.

Oh. So that's what he meant.

258 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:36:37pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

I originally posted the story as a throw away. I had no idea so many people would melt down over it. I never even imagined.

Keep 'em comin' KT

259 TedStriker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:37:31pm

re: #246 JacksonTn

H ... it came down to finally about snipping between Killgore and NGU ...

Ahh, guess I was wrong in my last post in regards to what happened to NGU...my mistake.re: #253 JacksonTn

talon .. that is not the whole story ... it came down to snipping with Killgore ...

See, I apparently missed that part (was at work)...sorry for any mistakes or errors.

260 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:37:57pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

I originally posted the story as a throw away. I had no idea so many people would melt down over it. I never even imagined.

Not your fault, Killgore. You saw bad behavior that needed exposing. Those fools fell of the own free will.

261 realwest  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:38:44pm

Whoa, sorry y'all had trouble with LGF Connection - we have a thunder and lightning storm right now and I gotta get off the internet, but I didn't want to be rude so:
re: #231 MikeySDCA
Well if y'all think back to the days in the late fall of 2001, we (that is, the US Military) engaged Al-Q and the Taliban directly in a number of locatons (and used the Northern Front to take care of other places) the most famous of which was Tora-Bora.
They did indeed fight with tremendous ferocity - but they weren't fighting Soviet Army draftees, they were fighting the best the US Army has for this type of stuff: the US Army Rangers and the men of the 10th Mountain Division...and the US and Navy Air Forces. And our professionls just chopped them up - remember Shock and Awe when B-52's were droping tens of thousands of bombs on and around Tora Bora? I remember the look in the eyes of the Taliban we captured -they were LITERALLY in shock at our ferocity. I know, I've seen that look before.

262 realwest  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:39:49pm

And on that note I'm sorry y'all but I gotta shut down!
Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Good night all.

263 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:39:51pm

re: #259 talon_262

See, I apparently missed that part (was at work)...sorry for any mistakes or errors.

Talon ... no problem ... just shows I spent way too much time not working and watching the lgf spy today ...

264 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:39:58pm

re: #256 Desert Dog

He was going after Killgore too hard and did not heed Charles request to tone it down IIRC. I did not see him post anything stupid about the Witch Doctor thread.

Well, in that case I would say its somewhat more likely that we'll see him again. Charles might let him return after a time, since he wasn't actually being a racist.

265 Hengineer  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:39:59pm

re: #261 realwest

Whoa, sorry y'all had trouble with LGF Connection - we have a thunder and lightning storm right now and I gotta get off the internet, but I didn't want to be rude so:

Well if y'all think back to the days in the late fall of 2001, we (that is, the US Military) engaged Al-Q and the Taliban directly in a number of locatons (and used the Northern Front to take care of other places) the most famous of which was Tora-Bora.
They did indeed fight with tremendous ferocity - but they weren't fighting Soviet Army draftees, they were fighting the best the US Army has for this type of stuff: the US Army Rangers and the men of the 10th Mountain Division...and the US and Navy Air Forces. And our professionls just chopped them up - remember Shock and Awe when B-52's were droping tens of thousands of bombs on and around Tora Bora? I remember the look in the eyes of the Taliban we captured -they were LITERALLY in shock at our ferocity. I know, I've seen that look before.

I noticed, I'm in Wash. DC right now in the Homewood Suites near the Thomas Circle (I'm traveling with my parents, so we're doing some sightseeing, and there was a nasty electrical storm earlier.

266 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:40:04pm

Good night all...slay some trolls for me...see you all later

267 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:40:39pm

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

Well, in that case I would say its somewhat more likely that we'll see him again. Charles might let him return after a time, since he wasn't actually being a racist.

I hope so...he's a good guy (gal?)

268 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:40:56pm

re: #262 realwest

And on that note I'm sorry y'all but I gotta shut down!
Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Good night all.

Good night, RW. I'm going to turn in as well. I'm fading fast.

269 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:41:03pm

re: #254 Hengineer


I love this, Obama ain't lookin for "victory" in Afghanistan, and then he uses words "like" and "you know"


Not very comforting having a President young enough to be one of my kids and then talks like 'em too.

I'd have a talk with him but then I don't think he would be listening.

270 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:41:04pm

Good night, y'all.

271 Hengineer  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:41:06pm

re: #266 Desert Dog

Good night all...slay some trolls for me...see you all later

What about the old man from Scene 24?

272 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:42:44pm
273 sngnsgt  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:43:41pm

Realwest, if you're still hanging, I sent you an e-mail, read when you get a chance.

274 Sambo  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:43:41pm

re: #272 MikeySDCA

Thank you for an thoughtful reply to a serious question.

275 MrPaulRevere  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:43:50pm

re: #260 Dark_Falcon

Not your fault, Killgore. You saw bad behavior that needed exposing. Those fools fell of the own free will.

Quite correct. I find Killgore interesting, informative, witty, and occasionally irritating. He's like the flavor in the stew. Immature people tend to lash out.

276 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:44:40pm

I'm sure glad Bush didn't do all the stupid things Obama has done so far in his Presidency, because people would have thought Bush was one dumb hillbilly.

277 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:45:27pm

re: #71 danrudy

The great thing about Obama making this mistake is that he picked on the wrong cop.
THis Crowly guy seems to have been the black commander choice to teach the class in sensitivity in racial profiling to other officers. ANd, he apparantly was the officer who performed CPR on the Reggie Lewis when he collapsed 16 years ago. Imagine that, he actually tried to save the life of a black man and perhaps even pressed his lips agains the other man to attempt to breathe life into him. This guy sounds like a real racist bastard /s

Meanwhile, Gates is the distingished professor of ...Black Studies. No anger towards whites over there.

Methinks, Bo wishes he had the teleprompter going so he could have avoided this mess

danrudy: I haven't heard anybody say that Sgt. Crowley is a "racist bastard." The criticism I've heard is that he over-reacted by handcuffing and arresting an older man who walked with a cane, who shouted at him but posed no physical threat.

I'm not accusing or defending either Crowley or Gates, because I wasn't there. I'm just saying that I believe you're mischaracterizing the criticism of Crowley. Who has said he's a racist bastard?

278 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:45:47pm
279 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:46:38pm

re: #272 MikeySDCA

In conditions like those in Afghanistan, the distinction is at best unclear. I would suggest that an approach based on swatting like bugs, is more mass murder than war. Your point is a good one, and it is not clear that mocern war can ever be honestly distinguished from mass murder.


Actually, today, mass murder is far removed from the warfare in the last century. War by the West today is pretty damn antiseptic.

280 sngnsgt  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:46:48pm

re: #276 HelloDare

I'm sure glad Bush didn't do all the stupid things Obama has done so far in his Presidency, because people would have thought Bush was one dumb hillbilly.

NO, you mean the left would have thought Bush was a dumb hillbilly!!?

I'm shocked to hear a comment like that! /

281 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:47:58pm
282 HelloDare  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:49:15pm

re: #280 sngnsgt

NO, you mean the left would have thought Bush was a dumb hillbilly!!?

I'm shocked to hear a comment like that! /

No. If he had done what O has done, it wouldn't be just the left who would have thought that.

283 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:49:16pm

re: #281 MikeySDCA

Unless you're a child in a house where Daddy is Taliban.

Oh brother...

284 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:52:06pm

re: #277 ShanghaiEd

danrudy: I haven't heard anybody say that Sgt. Crowley is a "racist bastard." The criticism I've heard is that he over-reacted by handcuffing and arresting an older man who walked with a cane, who shouted at him but posed no physical threat.

I'm not accusing or defending either Crowley or Gates, because I wasn't there. I'm just saying that I believe you're mischaracterizing the criticism of Crowley. Who has said he's a racist bastard?

Gates himself called him a "rogue cop" on CNN. Not sure if he called him a racist, but I'm sure it was implied...

285 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:52:11pm

re: #276 HelloDare

I'm sure glad Bush didn't do all the stupid things Obama has done so far in his Presidency, because people would have thought Bush was one dumb hillbilly.

I don't get your point, HD. "Hillbillies" are Southern and poor. Bush was neither.

286 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:53:27pm

re: #285 ShanghaiEd

I don't get your point, HD. "Hillbillies" are Southern and poor. Bush was neither.

He wasn't called a hillbilly. He was called the village idiot.

287 Picayune  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:53:46pm

re: #32 Fenway_Nation

Like I mentioned earlier- 0bama was probably looking for a
distraction once it was becoming apparent that he wasn't going to get
his way before the recess. Having said that, I don't see how
transitioning from screwing the pooch on Nationalized Healthcare to
stepping in it re: the Cambridge PD really benefits him...


Some of his more ardent supoprters in the Bay State are starting to question him.

Yes indeed, FN.

From Gus Grissom in The Right Stuff? Well, Obama sure ain't got it these days, and he's sure stepped in it twice now.

First, as you say, by blowing his big performance last night in failing to SELL his "Voodoo HealthScare" in prime time, and then by trying to obfuscate the crash by going for the Hat Trick on Gates, just as Axlerod was grabbing for the hook! Bet that regular WH Wednesday Night East Room bash was a big downer, following his presser. And, you know PS Gibbs had to have an immediate tight ass just thinking about facing the WH Press today to cover "police acted stupidly"!

It's getting fun to watch. Hell, maybe Congress will get a sense of humor during the August break after talking to the "home folks" in the flyover and come back and just decide, "to hell with this Tax/Cap Crap, Stimulus II, Shamasty, & Voodoo HealthScare, we like our cushy jobs - and we'll all be on our way back to sanity soon? N'est pas?

And if ABC and Charles persist with Sgt. Crowley's open mike transcript, guess what's for dinner at the WH? CROWBama!

/ see, I didn't say race at all, did I?

288 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:53:56pm
289 Gus  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:54:31pm

John Dawson, Country-Rock Songwriter, Dies at 64
By BEN SISARIO
Published: July 24, 2009

John Dawson, a singer and songwriter whose band New Riders of the Purple Sage began as a country-rock offshoot of the Grateful Dead but had a long life of its own, died on Tuesday in San Miguel de Allende, Mexico, where he lived. He was 64.

290 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:55:29pm

re: #284 lobo91

Gates himself called him a "rogue cop" on CNN. Not sure if he called him a racist, but I'm sure it was implied...

Well, maybe. To me, "rogue" has always meant "over-aggressive" or "out of control." Never seen it linked to racism. YMMV.

291 legalpad  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:55:42pm

re: #255 Sambo

With respect, how do you distinguish "war" from "mass murder?" Innocent people die in both kinds of actions. What is the essential difference between the two, in your view?

Two things: Two armed sides fight each other in war. Not so in generic mass-murder. Second, the innocents are mostly not targeted in most wars today, unlike the desperate days of WWII. But war is nasty shit and we should strive to avoid it. It should ideally only be fought against real tyrants.

292 Silvergirl  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:56:19pm

This is OT, but this is about someone else getting their smear on. That would be Barbara Boxer and John Kerry.

293 Jack Burton  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:56:57pm

re: #237 SteveC

WTF got in the water in the Witch Doctor thread?

Did someone open all seven seals at once? I have never seen anything like that!

The last time I saw a thread with so many meltdowns was before I was register and still lurjing waiting to catch an open registration. It was the threads posted on election night. One meltdown after another. It was armageddon across several threads. Postings (by Charles, not the comments) were getting 80-85 down dings...

If you are morbidly curious: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

294 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:58:18pm

re: #291 legalpad

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We have a Commander-in-Chief who's willing to bring the hammer down on rank and file US police officers and radio talk-show hosts but go out of his way to accomodate or placate mass-murdering despots with genocidal and nuclear ambitions.

295 Sambo  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:58:51pm

re: #291 legalpad

Thanks for that, Legalpad.

296 sngnsgt  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 10:59:21pm

re: #282 HelloDare

True.

297 capitalist piglet  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:00:35pm

re: #294 Fenway_Nation

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We have a Commander-in-Chief who's willing to bring the hammer down on rank and file US police officers and radio talk-show hosts but go out of his way to accomodate or placate mass-murdering despots with genocidal and nuclear ambitions.

They don't call it The Bully Pulpit for nothin'.

298 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:01:04pm

re: #288 MikeySDCA

Last time I looked, Texas was Southern.

But New Haven, Connecticut, isn't. :)

299 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:01:34pm

re: #294 Fenway_Nation

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We have a Commander-in-Chief who's willing to bring the hammer down on rank and file US police officers and radio talk-show hosts but go out of his way to accomodate or placate mass-murdering despots with genocidal and nuclear ambitions.

That's all part and parcel to the unconstrained vision- they don't support the rule of law, and think being accommodating to foes is how to achieve peace.

300 JacksonTn  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:01:41pm

Today is my mother's birthday ... I miss her as much today as I did the day she died five years ago ... the salt of the earth she was ... she loved this song ... I like this version ...

traveling through this world alone ... over Jordan ...

Good Night Ya'll ...

301 Picayune  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:01:53pm

re: #294 Fenway_Nation

Yep, and the bitch is, Obama is only doing everything he said he was going to do during his campaign. Some of us saw it coming, some haven't yet!

302 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:02:34pm

re: #279 The Shadow Do

Actually, today, mass murder is far removed from the warfare in the last century. War by the West today is pretty damn antiseptic.

Shadow: I think the civilian casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq might disagree with your "antiseptic" evaluation. What is your estimate of their numbers?

303 sngnsgt  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:03:16pm

Realwest, if you're still around, I read the e-mail you sent and will get in touch with more info. Thanks for the reply.

304 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:03:18pm

re: #298 ShanghaiEd

Well, depending on which left-wing whackademic you listen to, Cambridge, MA is just like Birmingham AL circa 1961.

And since only white and hispanic firefighers passed that exam for the New Haven Fire Department, I'm sure they're just as bigoted as any Jim Crow-era southern state.

//

305 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:04:07pm

re: #32 Fenway_Nation

What I don't get is how you agree it's a distraction but ding me down for calling it shiny. Weird.

306 Macker  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:04:29pm

re: #302 ShanghaiEd

Shadow: I think the civilian casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq might disagree with your "antiseptic" evaluation. What is your estimate of their numbers?

Compared to past conflicts, today's civilian casualties are antiseptic.

307 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:04:35pm

re: #301 Picayune

I saw it coming, but I didn't give him enough credit to cram four years worth of pooch-screwing into six months.

308 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:04:48pm

re: #292 Silvergirl

This is OT, but this is about someone else getting their smear on. That would be Barbara Boxer and John Kerry.

Wow, it took them until the third paragraph to lie through their teeth:

Palin argues that "the answer doesn't lie in making energy scarcer and more expensive!" The truth is, clean energy legislation doesn't make energy scarcer or more expensive; it works to find alternative solutions to our costly dependence on foreign oil and provides powerful incentives to pursue cutting-edge clean energy technologies.

And how does this legislation pay for these "powerful incentives" to switch to hypothetical "cuting-edge clean energy technologies"? By adding massive new taxes on exisiting energy sources, of course.

Seems to me that's going to make energy more expensive...

309 Picayune  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:05:36pm

re: #304 Fenway_Nation

That's why it took a Wise Latina to set their asses straight!

310 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:07:02pm

re: #302 ShanghaiEd

Shadow: I think the civilian casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq might disagree with your "antiseptic" evaluation. What is your estimate of their numbers?

significantly less than the historical average?

granted, that's no comfort to the dead person, or their family, but given the wholesale slaughter that used to pass for 'warfare". what's your point?

311 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:07:12pm

re: #305 Sharmuta

I'm saying IF it's a distraction, it's a piss poor one.

If I were 0bama, I'd want a distraction along the lines of 'Wow- what a wonderful human being I am' etc.

Guess what? I can think 0bama's wrong about the Cambridge PD and Nationalized healthcare at the same time.

And when it comes time to push for Cap and Trade or card check, I can think that he's wrong about five or six different things simultaneously. Give me some credit.

312 Picayune  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:09:10pm

re: #307 Fenway_Nation

It's an Elvis hit baby - It's Now or Never"! As soon as he backed Botox Nancy on Stimulas with "I won", I knew it was "Game On!"

(lights out here, good night all)

313 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:09:10pm

re: #311 Fenway_Nation

I'm saying IF it's a distraction, it's a piss poor one.

If I were 0bama, I'd want a distraction along the lines of 'Wow- what a wonderful human being I am' etc.

Guess what? I can think 0bama's wrong about the Cambridge PD and Nationalized healthcare at the same time.

And when it comes time to push for Cap and Trade or card check, I can think that he's wrong about five or six different things simultaneously. Give me some credit.

you'll have to fill out a credit app first, please...

314 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:09:57pm

re: #312 Picayune

G'nite Picayune...

315 Silvergirl  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:11:05pm

re: #308 lobo91

I also like the way they slip in "proven" oil reserves. There's a lot more to estimating oil.

"But she ignores the fact that the United States has only 3 percent of the world's proven oil reserves, while we are responsible for 25 percent of the world's oil consumption."

316 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:11:33pm

re: #302 ShanghaiEd

Shadow: I think the civilian casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq might disagree with your "antiseptic" evaluation. What is your estimate of their numbers?

The vast majority of the civilian casualties in Iraq were caused by the other side(s) in the conflict, not by Coalition forces.

317 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:11:45pm

re: #311 Fenway_Nation

If I was 0bama- I'd keep feeding the kooks.

318 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:12:45pm

re: #317 Sharmuta

You'd have Ayers, Gates and Wright over for dinner?

319 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:14:38pm

re: #315 Silvergirl

I also like the way they slip in "proven" oil reserves. There's a lot more to estimating oil.

Even leaving off the "proven" part, it's still a false comparison. 3% of the total oil supply on the planet is an awful lot of oil. If we actually had all that oil sitting in storage tanks somewhere, instead of fenced off to protect some endangered flea, we wouldn't be having these discussions at all.

320 Silvergirl  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:14:45pm

re: #305 Sharmuta

What I don't get is how you agree it's a distraction but ding me down for calling it shiny. Weird.

If what you're talking about is today's earlier thread, Sharm, I think the dings were against the ooh shiny because everyone wanted to post their thoughts and give their own takes on the thing and you jumping in and saying that at that moment was like a wet blanket. You know how timing is everything sometimes? That's how it seemed to me.

321 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:17:15pm

re: #305 Sharmuta

What I don't get is how you agree it's a distraction but ding me down for calling it shiny. Weird.

/how much karma do you need?

322 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:17:19pm

re: #316 lobo91

The vast majority of the civilian casualties in Iraq were caused by the other side(s) in the conflict, not by Coalition forces.

no, no, no... it's all our fault for being there, just like SH's depredations didn't really count, or were the fault of the Bushes, if they did.

323 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:17:41pm

re: #316 lobo91

Don't forget all those chemical weapons used by the USA and coalition in Iraq...

Wait...what's that? The other side used chemical weapons against civilians? Never mind, then...

324 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:17:45pm

re: #316 lobo91

The vast majority of the civilian casualties in Iraq were caused by the other side(s) in the conflict, not by Coalition forces.

Lobo: I didn't know that. Do you have a link?

325 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:19:40pm

re: #320 Silvergirl

If what you're talking about is today's earlier thread, Sharm, I think the dings were against the ooh shiny because everyone wanted to post their thoughts and give their own takes on the thing and you jumping in and saying that at that moment was like a wet blanket. You know how timing is everything sometimes? That's how it seemed to me.

I'm sure blindly charging ahead with reacting to race baiting was a much better idea than thinking twice.

326 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:19:55pm

Is this going to be the de-facto overnight thread?

327 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:20:26pm

re: #324 ShanghaiEd

Lobo: I didn't know that. Do you have a link?

have you tried applying common sense to the question?

328 wiffersnapper  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:20:35pm

Dang, Cooper got only 8 hits from his blog? I didn't know you could get fewer hits than Keith Olbermann.

329 redc1c4  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:21:35pm

re: #326 Fenway_Nation

Is this going to be the de-facto overnight thread?

that's a definite maybe.

330 Silvergirl  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:22:11pm

re: #325 Sharmuta

I'm sure blindly charging ahead with reacting to race baiting was a much better idea than thinking twice.

Who said it was blind?

331 Wendya  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:23:08pm

re: #277 ShanghaiEd

Who has said he's a racist bastard?

Gates and a hell of a lot of people on the left.

332 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:23:22pm

re: #325 Sharmuta

Who's blindly charging ahead? And would you rather advocate a vow of silence to make it look like there was something to hide?

This administration isn't going to stop sucking and slowing down it's wholesale massacre of the free market system just because one of 0bama's loudmouth self-important whackademic buddies got arrested and released in an unber-liberal college town...

333 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:23:49pm

re: #324 ShanghaiEd

Lobo: I didn't know that. Do you have a link?

Not off the top of my head, but it's absolutely true.

Despite what John Murtha, CNN, and Cindy Sheehan would have you believe, Coalition forces are extremely careful about who or what they shoot at in Iraq.

There's a friggin' JAG lawyer in the targeting cell of every brigade now. That's how ridiculously tight the rules of engagement are.

/USAR SGM who's spent the past 5 years on active duty training brigade staffs prior to deployment

334 freetoken  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:24:03pm

On racism...

Kind of surprised no one has discussed the (always dependable) Pat Buchanan's essay from this Tuesday.

It was serious WASP-grievance theater.

335 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:24:36pm

Did I ever mention that I can sleep-type?

I can't, really, but it feels like I am, so I had better go to sleep! It is 64 here...darn that Gorebal warming!

G'nite, Lizards. Sweet dreams!

336 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:24:45pm

re: #332 Fenway_Nation

This administration isn't going to stop sucking and slowing down it's wholesale massacre of the free market system just because one of 0bama's loudmouth self-important whackademic buddies got arrested and released in an unber-liberal college town...

Right- so it's a good think we talked about the whackademic buddy all day.

337 itellu3times  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:25:03pm

re: #291 legalpad

Two things: Two armed sides fight each other in war. Not so in generic mass-murder. Second, the innocents are mostly not targeted in most wars today, unlike the desperate days of WWII. But war is nasty shit and we should strive to avoid it. It should ideally only be fought against real tyrants.

Murder is by definition unjustified homicide.

War is presumably justified homicide, and generally on a large scale.

That justification, or lack thereof, is contagious. If a perpetrator targets one person for murder, and kills bystanders as well, it is worse. If in war the justified party destroys a target, and there is "collateral damage" casualties, they are considered justified as well.

I defy the idea that there are innocents in war. You may be a bystander, and horrified by the aggresive actions of your neighbors, or held hostage when a terrorist hides in your basement. But war is a matter for decision, and action. Innocence, vanishes.

338 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:25:26pm

Movin' on up...

To the East Side LNDT --->

339 Wendya  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:25:58pm

re: #334 freetoken

On racism...

Kind of surprised no one has discussed the (always dependable) Pat Buchanan's essay from this Tuesday.

It was serious WASP-grievance theater.

I have him on permanent ignore.

340 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:27:13pm

re: #328 wiffersnapper

Dang, Cooper got only 8 hits from his blog?.

/I get way more than that from strange people searching for tattoos girl with stars on her face, it's scary

341 Sambo  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:29:49pm

re: #337 itellu3times

I appreciate the clarity of your definitions.

But I have to challenge the belief that there are no innocents in war. How could a six month old baby, for example, be anything other than innocent when s/he is caught up in a war? The baby cannot really decide, nor can s/he take meaningful action.

342 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:30:42pm

re: #327 redc1c4

have you tried applying common sense to the question?

You mean guessing, in place of facts? No, I try not to do that.

343 Sambo  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:35:58pm

re: #334 freetoken

With respect, are WASPs not permitted to have grievances? Or do you mean that you believe their grievances are unfounded?

If you have a link to the article, I'm willing to read it.

344 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:36:01pm

re: #333 lobo91

Not off the top of my head, but it's absolutely true.

Despite what John Murtha, CNN, and Cindy Sheehan would have you believe, Coalition forces are extremely careful about who or what they shoot at in Iraq.

There's a friggin' JAG lawyer in the targeting cell of every brigade now. That's how ridiculously tight the rules of engagement are.

/USAR SGM who's spent the past 5 years on active duty training brigade staffs prior to deployment

Lobo: I don't listen to Murtha, CNN, or Sheehan. And I'm not saying coalition forces don't do the very best they can under impossible circumstances.

It's just that the words "antiseptic" and "war" don't go together, for me. The lowest estimate I've seen of civilian casualties in Iraq is 100,000; the highest estimate is 1,000,000. Do you have a reliable one? Maybe unavoidable, but antiseptic it's not. By my definition of the word. Guess we'll have to disagree on that.

345 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:37:59pm

re: #342 ShanghaiEd

You mean guessing, in place of facts? No, I try not to do that.

The vast majority of the civilian deaths in Iraq were caused by 1) Car bombs or other IEDs; 2) Suicide bombers detonating themselves in crowds, or 3) AQI or Sunni militias shooting Shiites, or vice-versa.

With the exception of a few large-scale engagements, such as the assault on Fallujah or the original fighting against Saddam's military back in 2003, Coalition forces have made very little use of artillery, mortars, or large-scale bombing, which is where you would expect to see large numbers of civilians killed.

346 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:43:09pm

re: #344 ShanghaiEd

Lobo: I don't listen to Murtha, CNN, or Sheehan. And I'm not saying coalition forces don't do the very best they can under impossible circumstances.

It's just that the words "antiseptic" and "war" don't go together, for me. The lowest estimate I've seen of civilian casualties in Iraq is 100,000; the highest estimate is 1,000,000. Do you have a reliable one? Maybe unavoidable, but antiseptic it's not. By my definition of the word. Guess we'll have to disagree on that.

I never used the term "antiseptic," nor would I.

As for civilian casualty estimates, we don't do body counts. That said, the true number is a hell of a lot closer to 100,000 than 1 million. If I had to guess, I'd say it's less.

And we didn't kill most of them.

347 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:45:04pm

re: #345 lobo91

The vast majority of the civilian deaths in Iraq were caused by 1) Car bombs or other IEDs; 2) Suicide bombers detonating themselves in crowds, or 3) AQI or Sunni militias shooting Shiites, or vice-versa.

With the exception of a few large-scale engagements, such as the assault on Fallujah or the original fighting against Saddam's military back in 2003, Coalition forces have made very little use of artillery, mortars, or large-scale bombing, which is where you would expect to see large numbers of civilians killed.

Thanks, Lobo. That certainly stands to reason.

Also, I just realized that it was Shadow's use of the word "arbitrary" that I was questioning; I certainly wasn't pinning that on you.

I haven't been able to find a breakdown by category of the causes of civilian deaths in Iraq, and was hoping someone could steer me in that direction.

348 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:47:41pm

re: #347 ShanghaiEd

I'm not sure there's one out there. It wouldn't look too good for the agenda-driven groups if it came to light that a measurably majority of the Iraqi civilians died as a result of Al Qaeda in Iraq of the Mahdi Militia instead of the US Forces...

349 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:49:00pm

re: #346 lobo91

I never used the term "antiseptic," nor would I.

As for civilian casualty estimates, we don't do body counts. That said, the true number is a hell of a lot closer to 100,000 than 1 million. If I had to guess, I'd say it's less.

And we didn't kill most of them.

Fair enough. I appreciate the info, and hope you don't think I was being critical of you or of the U.S. military.

Hope you have a good night.

350 Sambo  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:49:55pm

Thanks for the good discussion tonight. See you folks later.

351 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:51:27pm

re: #347 ShanghaiEd

Jeez, PIMF. In my #347, the word "arbitrary" should read "antiseptic."

Well, they both have an "a." Must be past my bedtime.

352 ShanghaiEd  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:52:11pm

re: #350 Sambo

Thanks for the good discussion tonight. See you folks later.

Night, Sambo. I enjoyed it too. I'm about to turn it in, as well.

353 lobo91  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:53:43pm

re: #347 ShanghaiEd

Thanks, Lobo. That certainly stands to reason.

Also, I just realized that it was Shadow's use of the word "arbitrary" that I was questioning; I certainly wasn't pinning that on you.

I haven't been able to find a breakdown by category of the causes of civilian deaths in Iraq, and was hoping someone could steer me in that direction.

You'll never find an accurate one, I'm afraid. We don't track civilian deaths in Iraq, and certainly don't do autopsies on them. Dead civilians are turned over to the nearest Iraqi hospital, which gives the remains to the family almost immediately. Islamic custom requires burial within 24 hours.

Anything you find online should be taken with a truckload of salt, because it was undoubtedly posted by one anti-war organization or other.

And that 1 million estimate? Total, utter garbage. Some whackjob anti-war Brits went around asking people door-to-door how many people they knew who had been killed, and used that to extrapolate a total, as though they were trying to determine how many pets or TV sets the average Iraqi family had.

354 freetoken  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:56:39pm

re: #343 Sambo

With respect, are WASPs not permitted to have grievances? Or do you mean that you believe their grievances are unfounded?

The article is grievance-theater, something at which Buchanan has specialized.

If you have a link to the article, I'm willing to read it.

Why No Evangelical Justice?

355 LwoodPDowd  Thu, Jul 23, 2009 11:57:50pm

I wish I had noticed this story when it was first posted so my comment wouldn't be ignored, comments in the triple digits frequently get skipped over. Please don't ignore it, feel free to attack. I have two major problems with everyones reaction.

1. the arrest was stupid
read through the arrest report (it's available on smoking gun) while it shows Gates to be an enormous asshole, being an asshole is not enough of a justification for getting arrested. There is nothing in that description (and the description is FROM THE COP) that sounds like justification for arrest. He was pissed (rightfully so) that Gates called him a racist for just doing his job, and for pulling the you have no idea who you are messing with card. Getting pissed is still no reason to arrest someone.

2. Obama did not play the race card
Do you think the reaction of the first black president to an actual event of racism by a cop in america is going to get an off hand "acted stupidly" remark? just "acted stupidly"? Really? ... Really? ... REALLY? (channel Kyle Broflovski)

Below is a link to the arrest report and Obama's full statement during the questioning.

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Q Thank you, Mr. President. Recently, Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. was arrested at his home in Cambridge. What does that incident say to you? And what does it say about race relations in America?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, I -- I should say at the outset that Skip Gates is a friend, so I may be a little biased here.

I don't know all the facts. What's been reported, though, is that the guy forgot his keys, jimmied his way to get into the house; there was a report called into the police station that there might be a burglary taking place.

So far, so good, right? I mean, if I was trying to jigger into -- well, I guess this is my house now, so -- (laughter) -- it probably wouldn't happen.

(Chuckling.) But let's say my old house in Chicago -- (laughter) -- here I'd get shot. (Laughter.) But so far, so good. They're -- they're -- they're reporting. The police are doing what they should. There's a call. They go investigate. What happens?

My understanding is, at that point, Professor Gates is already in his house. The police officer comes in. I'm sure there's some exchange of words. But my understanding is -- is that Professor Gates then shows his ID to show that this is his house, and at that point he gets arrested for disorderly conduct, charges which are later dropped.

Now, I've -- I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home.

And number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcing disproportionately. That's just a fact.

As you know, Lynn, when I was in the state legislature in Illinois, we worked on a racial profiling bill because there was indisputable evidence that blacks and Hispanics were being stopped disproportionately. And that is a sign, an example of how, you know, race remains a factor in the society.

That doesn't lessen the incredible progress that has been made. I am standing here as testimony to the progress that's been made. And yet the fact of the matter is, is that, you know, this still haunts us.

And even when there are honest misunderstandings, the fact that blacks and Hispanics are picked up more frequently, and oftentime for no cause, casts suspicion even when there is good cause. And that's why I think the more that we're working with local law enforcement to improve policing techniques so that we're eliminating potential bias, the safer everybody's going to be.

All right? Thank you, everybody.

356 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:02:40am

re: #355 LwoodPDowd

No attack from me, Lwood. My perception of this whole unfortunate incident is pretty much what you said.

357 kickstar1  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:03:29am

Oh my goodness...eight visits. That's freakin hilarious. Like a lonely man fuming in a room with eight crickets chirping...

358 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:07:45am

re: #355 LwoodPDowd

'Disorderly conduct' applies to everyone from the scary hobo yelling at passing cars to sanctimonious ivy-league whackademics throwing a hissy-fit. I was in a similar situation at my own residence awhile back, and if I conducted myself in the manner that this particular ivy-league professor did, I would've also expected to spend some time in the hoosegow. Simple as that.

Only I wouldn't have been able to cry about it to my buddy the governor or his friend the president.

359 LwoodPDowd  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:39:23am

re: #358 Fenway_Nation

That the charge 'disorderly conduct' is vauge enough to legally justify an arrest does not validate the arrest.

From the cambridge municipal code.
9.08.010 Disorderly conduct--Profanity and insulting language.
No person shall behave himself in a rude or disorderly manner, or use any indecent, profane or insulting language in any street or public place. No person shall make or cause to be made, any unnecessary noise or noises in any public street, private way or park, so as to cause any inconvenience or discomfort for the inhabitants of the City.

The fact that anyone can be arrested so easily, makes it MORE important that police exercise restraint and don't go out arresting someone whenever they get pissed at them. Government restraint is a top to bottom good thing.

If I got arrested every time i was insulting in a public place...or profane...or indecent...And don't get me started on the unnecessary noises

360 LwoodPDowd  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:40:41am

I just noticed the picture of him getting arrested. He is still on his porch. I had looked at the street with google maps and assumed he was in a brownstone and had walked down the steps onto the sidewalk.

If I can't yell at a m---er f---er from my own front porch without getting arrested, something is very very wrong in America.

361 Bloodnok  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:08:55am

re: #360 LwoodPDowd

I just noticed the picture of him getting arrested. He is still on his porch. I had looked at the street with google maps and assumed he was in a brownstone and had walked down the steps onto the sidewalk.

If I can't yell at a m---er f---er from my own front porch without getting arrested, something is very very wrong in America.

Listen to the officer in this interview. Then tell us if he is a m---erf---er.

362 LwoodPDowd  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:15:02am

re: #361 Bloodnok

Did you not catch the fact that I said if "I" can't yell at a m---er f---er. I was NOT calling the officer a motherfucker. I was simply stating that if I am on my property and not waking the neighbors (the people that were outside mentioned in the report were congregated before he stepped outside, they were there because of the aggregation of cops, not Gates yelling) I can yell at who ever and whatever I want.

363 Bloodnok  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:17:20am

re: #362 LwoodPDowd

Did you not catch the fact that I said if "I" can't yell at a m---er f---er. I was NOT calling the officer a motherfucker. I was simply stating that if I am on my property and not waking the neighbors (the people that were outside mentioned in the report were congregated before he stepped outside, they were there because of the aggregation of cops, not Gates yelling) I can yell at who ever and whatever I want.

And I'm sure you do. Regularly.

364 dsun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:36:49am

the old media is going toward slow extinction, they didn't adapt, it's evolution baby !

365 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:22:56am

(A just-waking-up, in-late-to-the-thread)

From Cooper's article: "What he [Obama] offered was a very conventional assessment of police interactions with minority communities."

Yes, indeed. "... very ... conventional ..."

Cooper follows that with "boilerplate". Yes, indeed, it was boilerplate.

Dumb is not choosing words carefully. Stupid is regurgitating the conventional, boilerplate, talking point when the facts do not support its use.

Nice job, Barack. Why do I suspect that you can probably quote, at length, from W.E.B. Du Bois' works?

366 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:31:19am

CBS doesn't like you, Charles. Your crusade for the truth really pisses them off.

CBS doesn't need no 'stinkin truth.

367 quickjustice  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:37:50am

Johnson v. CBS? Not a fair fight! ;-)

368 horse  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:45:46am

Talk about attempting to serve up revenge cold. The problem for them is the only thing harvested were more dings on their own reputation. They must have LGF tattooed on the membrane to attempt something so feeble.

369 danny  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:00:10am

Get over it?? Heck, I'd wear it like a badge of honor!

370 Diamond Bullet  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:02:37am

Obama intentionally ignored a democratic revolution in Iran - Iran - as well as its brutal and ongoing repression.

But a personal friend of his decides to start screaming at cops coming over to protect his house and suddenly Obama can't get in front of a microphone fast enough.

We elected a slightly better tailored Al Sharpton.

371 Dad O' Blondes  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:13:08am

Prof. Gates could have simply produced identification when requested to do so by the police.

Across the nation, 100's, probably 1000's, of motorists are stopped by police for innumerable reasons. The very first thing every one of those police officers say is: "Driver's license and registration, please..."

Any idea what happens when a motorist refuses to produce these basic forms of identification and begins yelling at the police?

Well, Prof Gates sure found out. And the same thing would have happened to ANYBODY, whether they're white, black or purple.

.

372 Ziggy  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:21:11am

Gates might have wanted to take this approach, "Officer, thank you for trying to protect my home. Of course I'll cooperate, what else can I do for you?" Oh, and he might want to also thank his neighbor for keeping an eye on his place, too. And I loved the POTUS saying that we all know blacks and Latinos get stopped for nothing (paraphrasing). That was really helpful, dumb ass

373 Sacred Plants  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:33:07am

Why is it that reading this blog entry brings me to the idea that Charles Johnson im his past contributions on the issue had not at all used the failed political metaphor "race card", although he in fact has? Is this the said Rorschach Test?

374 quickjustice  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:43:56am

President Obama: reigniting racial grievance.

He must be getting desperate to play this card.

375 Beach Lover  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:45:05am

Hate to jump in OT..but want to make sure everyone writes or calls their congress critters ASAP. Pelosi is planning to vote in the house TODAY on Healthcare! FNC has announced it this morning. Dont know if anyone has already mentioned it...I have to run and didnt have time to look upthread. Even so, we need to not let up on this. The Dems may think we will let it slide since the Senate wont bring it to a vote before Aug. recess.

376 quickjustice  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:47:51am

Poor Professor Gates: Arresting for peacefully standing on his own front porch, screaming obscenities at a police officer who had come to check out a report of attempted burglary of Gates's home. What is this country coming to?/

377 yesandno  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:52:51am

The race card has been played so many times by this administration that they are on about their fifth deck. Since he ran, he has been using the ploy of:

this is not about race, but it always is
this is not about me, but it always is
this is not about tearing America down, but it always is.

Mostly it is about creating a new world. It is all about power. It is all about tearing down Capitalism, redistributing wealth.

He was nourished by Rev. Wright, but he was infected first by a mother who had no real reality and grasped at the feelings of peace and love that permeated that generation.

He has no real understanding of America except through the eyes of those that had grievances or self hate. And he never was really an African-American. He was always an African who was also American...he had a more global perspective and not an American one.

Michelle Obama was correct: before the election she stated that Barak wouldn't let you be the same if he won.

The understatement of the decade.

He has no respect for people. He is an elitist. He is what he is always railing against. A true Alinsky follower. Worse, a true Carter follower...

MLK would be appalled, I do believe.

378 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 7:01:40am

I thought people who write op-eds for CBS have to be proficient in English. What is this guy's first language?

379 Sacred Plants  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 7:04:57am

re: #377 yesandno

It is all about tearing down Capitalism, redistributing wealth.

Do you see any other options to stop the unsound growth of totalitarian Islam on the planet?

PS: Getting dinged down for asking a polite question implies I stroke oil...

380 jcbunga  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 7:27:28am

What "legendary cool"?

This guy seethes.

I'd like to go one damn day without seeing or hearing from The One. We've been spammed with this guy.

381 Dad O' Blondes  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 7:35:36am

re: #359 LwoodPDowd

That the charge 'disorderly conduct' is vauge enough to legally justify an arrest does not validate the arrest.

From the cambridge municipal code.
9.08.010 Disorderly conduct--Profanity and insulting language.
No person shall behave himself in a rude or disorderly manner, or use any indecent, profane or insulting language in any street or public place. No person shall make or cause to be made, any unnecessary noise or noises in any public street, private way or park, so as to cause any inconvenience or discomfort for the inhabitants of the City.

The fact that anyone can be arrested so easily, makes it MORE important that police exercise restraint and don't go out arresting someone whenever they get pissed at them. Government restraint is a top to bottom good thing.

If I got arrested every time i was insulting in a public place...or profane...or indecent...And don't get me started on the unnecessary noises

The Cambridge police were responding to a verified witness report of a residential break in -- in progress. The reporting witness was on the scene and was the first person in the context of this incident engaged by the police as they approached the house.

The police had every reason to believe there was trouble afoot.

The responding officer, Sgt. Crowley, was alone, and in uniform.

Given the reporting on this subject, it's quite clear there is little appreciation for how dangerous these few seconds are.

With no backup, a verified witness report with that witness on the scene claiming break in, outnumbered with (at least) 2 potential perpetrators in unseen locations in the residence, with any one of uncounted possible violent outcomes awaiting...Sgt Crowley of The Cambridge Police approaches the front door of a residential building he has never been in, and likely never seen before...

In case you've failed to see the danger, you should know that police officers get killed doing this.

.

382 voirdire  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:08:42am

People often think "I didn't do anything wrong" trumps constituted authority. You might expect different from a former constitutional law professor.

383 LwoodPDowd  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:17:16am

re: #381 Dad O' Blondes


In case you've failed to see the danger, you should know that police officers get killed doing this.
.

Is the intellectual dishonesty on purpose, or did you stop reading the report as Sgt Crowley approached the front door? The stupid act occurred after gates had been identified as the legitimate resident of the home. There was NO danger at the time. Now, if you want to argue that his adrenalin level was raised at the beginning and this, along with Gates being a total jackass, contributed to him making the stupid decision to arrest gates, I would be on board.

384 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:27:43am

re: #359 LwoodPDowd

If I got arrested every time i was insulting in a public place...or profane...or indecent...And don't get me started on the unnecessary noises

You've insulted police officers who were performing their duties?
(Don't switch from apples to oranges.)

385 flyovercountry  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:46:24am

RE: #355 LwoodPDowd

It was often said by wise men, don't critisize someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes. I have heard many police folk from around the country state that the arresting officer had no choice for a miryad of reasons. First off, someone being belligerant is leaving you no choice but to affect an arrest. These people are trained keepers of the public peace, who face personal risk in volatile situations. Many officers have been injured in the line of duty by letting smaller incidents get out of hand. In fact, Sgt. Crowley had corraboration from several other officers on the scene, some of whom were African Americans. This man was willing to put himself in harm's way to protect the contents of somebody elses home. What he got in turn was not a, "thanks for looking out for my stuff," but a, "how dare you respectfully knock on my door." I find it interesting that Professor Gates has not contested a single piece of the arrest report on his blog.

President Obama played the race card. There can be no other possible explanation. This, "post racial," President jumped straight to the lowest possible human denominator in trying to elicit an emotional response. In listening to the question, it is obvious that the question was planted ahead of time. President Obama needs the race card now that he is losing support faster than a sieve filled with alcahol. there is no chaep parlor trick which this President feels is beneath his dignity. that is a shame.

386 Buster  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:51:42am

I think the fact that CBS got all of their readers to follow the link is pretty impressive.

387 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:52:45am

re: #373 Sacred Plants

Why is it that reading this blog entry brings me to the idea that Charles Johnson im his past contributions on the issue had not at all used the failed political metaphor "race card", although he in fact has?

Perhaps because you have a reading comprehension problem.

388 xiphos  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:01:18am

obama...making jimmy carter look smart.

389 BIGDUKE 6  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:55:23am

Watching Red Eye this morning where Guttfeld reported that indeed the "race" question was planted.

390 BIGDUKE 6  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:12:53am

This is not racial profiling. IF Gates' home was really burglarized and IF the police responded to the scene with NO description or clue as to who the Bad Guys are -- then proceeded to stop & question Gates & his Driver solely based on their skin color THAT is racial profiling.
However the police came to the location due to a 911 call that stated two Black Men were breaking in to the home. Once there the Cops stopped the two men fitting the description and asked for ID. Gates refused to comply. And he was belligerent and abusive in his refusal - behavior which caused the police officers to become alarmed. In an attempt to calm him down the police asked Gates to step outside ( removal from the scene tends to have a calming effect) Gates became more out of control. and was arrested.
Police officers arrive on the scene with very little knowledge of who is legit and who is not. There are tense moments until the Cops sort it all out.
All Gates had to do was show his ID , not acted like a Jerk , and that would have been the end of it.
I'm sorry Pardner you can't Sass the Sheriff , its an Officer Safety & Control thing.

391 lobo91  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:20:02am

re: #383 LwoodPDowd

Is the intellectual dishonesty on purpose, or did you stop reading the report as Sgt Crowley approached the front door? The stupid act occurred after gates had been identified as the legitimate resident of the home. There was NO danger at the time. Now, if you want to argue that his adrenalin level was raised at the beginning and this, along with Gates being a total jackass, contributed to him making the stupid decision to arrest gates, I would be on board.

I just read the entire report, and you're absolutely wrong. According to what was written in that report, Gates was never identified as the legitimate resident prior to his arrest.

The ID Gates grudgingly presented to Crowley was a Harvard facutly ID, not a drivers license or other state-issued ID. I'd be willing to bet that Harvard faculty IDs don't show the person's home address. There's no reason they would.

Sorry, but you need to get down off your high horse, which is looking more like a Shetland pony.

392 koedo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:41:13am

Well Charles,

the MM did take a couple of swings at you. I'm sorry you need to suffer these fools on a regular basis. Please take comfort in the fact that their act is old, thin and most definitely transparent. Those who wish to see, can see.

I don't always agree with the opinions and viewpoints @ LGF but I admire the civility and respect that most commenters afford each other. I wish you could receive the respect you're entitled to from the MM.

Hang in there, Charles. More people are opening their eyes.

393 Noam Chumpski  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:15:20am

Obama continues to fail to realize that he is the POS (representing all citizens and the rule of law) and no longer a community, organizer. It's sad.

394 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:12:14pm

Of course Charles is working against the president, along with the Illuminati and the saucer people.
(just joking)
But seriously, Obama and his press minions are furious that someone caught them at their infantile finger-pointing game.

395 Render  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:05:26pm

re: #359 LwoodPDowd

Try it as an experiment...

Ask your neighbor to call the police and report a break-in at your home.

After the police arrive and determine that it's a hoax, scream at them, curse them, and threaten them.

Get back to us after you're bailed out...

FACE
FACT,
R

396 Sacred Plants  Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:11:17am

re: #387 Charles

Perhaps because you have a reading comprehension problem.

I willingly admit that this blog entry was the first thing at all I ever read on Crowley vs. Gates.

The only comprehension problem I can see might be over the word "to accuse." Unless you chose to file a suit over the issue (at the Hague?) there is no such thing as an accusation in the formal sense of that term.

397 JPL17  Sat, Jul 25, 2009 6:55:32am

re: #389 BIGDUKE 6

Watching Red Eye this morning where Guttfeld reported that indeed the "race" question was planted.

Wow, that would mean that someone in the Administration actually thought that asking that question, and giving the answer that Obama gave, was a good idea. Looks like we gave Bozo the keys to the White House.

(P.S. That's the collective "we;" I didn't vote for that clown.)


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