Krauthammer: Why Obamacare Is Sinking

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Obama’s health care reform plans are in serious trouble, and Charles Krauthammer explains why: Why Obamacare Is Sinking.

What happened to Obamacare? Rhetoric met reality. As both candidate and president, the master rhetorician could conjure a world in which he bestows upon you health-care nirvana: more coverage, less cost.

But you can’t fake it in legislation. Once you commit your fantasies to words and numbers, the Congressional Budget Office comes along and declares that the emperor has no clothes.

President Obama premised the need for reform on the claim that medical costs are destroying the economy. True. But now we learn — surprise! — that universal coverage increases costs. The congressional Democrats’ health-care plans, says the CBO, increase costs on the order of $1 trillion plus.

In response, the president retreated to a demand that any bill he sign be revenue-neutral. But that’s classic misdirection: If the fierce urgency of health-care reform is to radically reduce costs that are producing budget-destroying deficits, revenue neutrality (by definition) leaves us on precisely the same path to insolvency that Obama himself declares unsustainable.

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1 vxbush  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:06:12am

Go, Krauthammer! Bring down the anvil of truth and reality.

2 Baier  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:07:10am

Krauthammer is the greatest voice the right has now. He never misses it seems.

3 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:09:08am

Krauthammer 1, Obamacare -1000.

(I guess that applies to anything Krauthammer vs. anything Obama)

4 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:09:40am

"Didn't Obama promise a new politics that puts people over special interests? Sure. And now he promises expanded, portable, secure, higher-quality medical care -- at lower cost! The only thing he hasn't promised is to extirpate evil from the human heart. That legislation will be introduced next week. "

Heh.

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:10:32am

I dream of being a member of the investor class someday.

6 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:10:39am
But the greatest waste is the hidden cost of defensive medicine: tests and procedures that doctors order for no good reason other than to protect themselves from lawsuits. Every doctor knows, as I did when I practiced years ago, how much unnecessary medical cost is incurred with an eye not on medicine but on the law.

Until Congress starts dealing with the root causes of out of control prices in the healthcare industry, I can't support any legislation.

When women can't get a good OB/GYN because the malpractice insurance is too high OB/GYNs just close their offices, I don't want the government to get me a free OB/GYN- I want them to get the closed offices back in operation.

7 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:10:53am
It's the Blue Dog Democrats in the House who wince at skyrocketing health-reform costs just weeks after having swallowed hemlock for Obama on a ruinous cap-and-trade carbon tax.

The man has a way with words.

8 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:10:56am

he needs his own TV show...more exposure

9 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:11:23am

Oh, wow. The Cambridge PD is taking it to FCBBHO.

10 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:12:20am

Don't you just love "The 'Hammer?"

11 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:12:30am

re: #9 MandyManners

Oh, wow. The Cambridge PD is taking it to FCBBHO.

Good. Let Obama saw off the branch he's sitting on.

12 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:13:11am

Just read this one this morning...and once again he hits the nail firmly on the head!

Is Krauthammer ever wrong?

13 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:13:23am

Ooops. Wrong window.

14 KenJen  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:13:26am

re: #8 albusteve

he needs his own TV show...more exposure

RNC chairman would be nice.

15 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:13:39am
Didn't Obama promise a new politics that puts people over special interests? Sure. And now he promises expanded, portable, secure, higher-quality medical care -- at lower cost! The only thing he hasn't promised is to extirpate evil from the human heart. That legislation will be introduced next week.
16 DaddyG  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:13:45am

A history lesson for the Obama administration...

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
-John Adams, 'Argument in Defense of the Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials

17 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:14:13am

re: #14 KenJen

RNC chairman would be nice.

or elected office...but he's too smart for that

18 tommygum  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:15:08am

Once again, CK 'splains it all for you.

19 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:15:09am

re: #9 MandyManners

Oh, wow. The Cambridge PD is taking it to FCBBHO.

These guys are crushing it!

20 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:15:11am

re: #5 EmmmieG

I dream of being a member of the investor class someday.

The Democrats are working to make sure that day never comes.

21 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:15:32am
Tort reform would yield tens of billions in savings. Yet you cannot find it in the Democratic bills. And Obama breathed not a word about it in the full hour of his health-care news conference. Why? No mystery. The Democrats are parasitically dependent on huge donations from trial lawyers.

Let's be honest here for a moment. The republicans had both houses for how long? They could have passed some tort reform, but they didn't. Why?

Because the special interests aren't stupid, that's why. Republicans are just as beholden to special interests as the democrats, and the losers are Americans and their doctors.

22 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:15:37am

re: #13 MandyManners

Ooops. Wrong window.

Nope, it's fine. Its good to see people telling Obama he's wrong. Controversies like this take Obama of his prepared speeches and put him on the defensive. And he doesn't do off-the-cuff defensive well at all.

23 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:15:53am

I like the term "Jackpot Justice" that Krauthammer coined in this article, it perfectly describes what Obama characterizes as " social justice " in the legal shakedowns that go on daily. If you want to know why health care is high, all you have to do is watch TV awhile and count the ambulance chasing ads culling for claimants for their group lawsuits against this or that procedure or pharmaceutical.

24 Flyovercountry  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:16:11am

The truly scary thing, is that the CBO numbers are base on a best case scenario which includes Obama's rosy projections of 4% annual growth in GDP. This could actually stink a whole lot worse.

25 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:16:34am

Gee that's the same article I referred to at 4:08 AM Pacific time. Sure takes a while for California folks to get the news!

26 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:18:45am
27 Baier  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:19:44am

re: #9 MandyManners

Oh, wow. The Cambridge PD is taking it to FCBBHO.

I feel really sorry for that policeman. Even if the guy made a mistake (and I don't believe he did) there is no excuse for the more powerful person in world to come down on him. Obama proved he is more like Al Sharpton than Abe Lincoln.
Why is the president picking on a beat cop that seems to be a more decent human than most? What jerk.

28 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:20:02am
Obama is quite prepared to sign anything as long as it is titled "health-care reform." ...

... Tort reform would yield tens of billions in savings. Yet you cannot find it in the Democratic bills. And Obama breathed not a word about it in the full hour of his health-care news conference. Why? No mystery. The Democrats are parasitically dependent on huge donations from trial lawyers.

Because Øbama and the dems are self serving pricks. F**k us! They got theirs.

29 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:20:23am

re: #23 Thanos

I like the term "Jackpot Justice" that Krauthammer coined in this article, it perfectly describes what Obama characterizes as " social justice " in the legal shakedowns that go on daily. If you want to know why health care is high, all you have to do is watch TV awhile and count the ambulance chasing ads culling for claimants for their group lawsuits against this or that procedure or pharmaceutical.

Yeah, just watch all the James Sokolove ads.

30 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:20:23am

re: #19 VegasRick

These guys are crushing it!

Note to all Police Union members across the nation: Your union dues were used to help get Obama elected. Are you happy about that?

31 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:20:53am

re: #21 Sharmuta
Uh, if y'all want to check the contributions records for say the last 10 years or so, I'll bet the Trial Lawyers Association (of which I was a member and used to get their bragging e-mails) contributed 10 times as much to Democratic candidates as they did to Republicans (remember John Edwards? He used to be the Poster Boy for the Trial Lawyers Assn.) but on the larger issue of each party being beholden to special interests you're correct; just not on tort reform and trial lawyers.Oh and the GOP never held the kind of Majority's that the Leftist Party holds today.

32 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:20:55am

Yesterday Reid said no vote until after the break. Today, Pelosi said she would force it. I hope this disorganization continues.

33 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:21:03am

Krauthammer hammers one out of the park, again.

34 3 wood  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:21:18am

You know, the Dem's have huge majorities in the House and the Senate. They don't need a single Republican vote to push the health care bill through.

So if they love it so much, put their names on it, put their political futures on it, own it and vote on it.

So go ahead already.

35 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:21:28am

Okay, so some personal opinion on this--the problem (or, the problem that I see I could do something about), is that consumers have no incentive to economize.

Back in the days of paying percentages rather than co-pays, my boss-at-the-time went in to have a baby. After she got her bill, and found out how many of her items were individually charged, she made the comment that she would have cut back had she known (not on medically necessary stuff, but the extras).

I would never want to see someone go without something they really need, and a lot of tests come back negative (thank heavens),

36 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:21:40am

re: #25 realwest

Gee that's the same article I referred to at 4:08 AM Pacific time. Sure takes a while for California folks to get the news!

Hey, Michael Jackson died./

37 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:21:47am

Krauthammer's RACIST!!!

38 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:22:10am

re: #21 Sharmuta

Let's be honest here for a moment. The republicans had both houses for how long? They could have passed some tort reform, but they didn't. Why?

Because the special interests aren't stupid, that's why. Republicans are just as beholden to special interests as the democrats, and the losers are Americans and their doctors.

True that, but the republicans did not make "health care reform" the signature issue of their campaign, nor did they spread lies and fear about what would happen by not passing it. The Dems own this lock stock and barrel and nothing anyone can say will change that. This is Hillary Care all over again. And it will cause the Dems to lose yet again in the next election.

39 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:22:15am

last night my wife and I were sitting in the living room and I said to her "you know, I never want to live in a vegetative state, dependant on some machine and fluid from a bottle, if that ever happens just pull the plug"...she got up, unplugged the computer and threw out my wine...

40 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:22:19am

re: #32 MandyManners

Yesterday Reid said no vote until after the break. Today, Pelosi said she would force it. I hope this disorganization continues.

Well, Harry has no say in the House and Queen Nan has no say in the Senate.

Hubby doesn't think the damn thing will even get to conference.

41 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:22:22am

re: #31 realwest

Are "special interests" strictly trial lawyers now?

42 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:22:28am

re: #35 EmmmieG

Okay, so some personal opinion on this--the problem (or, the problem that I see I could do something about), is that consumers have no incentive to economize.

Back in the days of paying percentages rather than co-pays, my boss-at-the-time went in to have a baby. After she got her bill, and found out how many of her items were individually charged, she made the comment that she would have cut back had she known (not on medically necessary stuff, but the extras).

I would never want to see someone go without something they really need, and a lot of tests come back negative (thank heavens),

Oops. I wasn't done and I pushed the post button too soon. I was just trying to say that as long as we (the consumers) have no reason to help reign in costs, we won't.

43 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:22:36am

re: #27 Baier

I feel really sorry for that policeman. Even if the guy made a mistake (and I don't believe he did) there is no excuse for the more powerful person in world to come down on him. Obama proved he is more like Al Sharpton than Abe Lincoln.
Why is the president picking on a beat cop that seems to be a more decent human than most? What jerk.

That no surprise. The man was part of Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years and he launched his political career in the home two '60's radical terrorists. To Obama, the police are always wrong.

44 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:22:41am

re: #9 MandyManners

Oh, wow. The Cambridge PD is taking it to FCBBHO.

Did they just release the audio tapes? And can can you hear Gates screaming in the background? That was the worry, that Gates' tirade might not be loud enough to get on the tape.

45 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:22:48am

re: #5 EmmmieG

I dream of being a member of the investor class someday.

Yeah--and I want to be a mammoth, but they're extinct, too.

46 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:22:50am

re: #27 Baier

"Why is the president picking on a beat cop that seems to be a more decent human than most?"

Because he won.

47 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:23:00am

re: #36 calcajun

Hey, Michael Jackson died./


You're kidding me? Really - when was that?
//

48 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:23:22am

re: #37 Mad Al-Jaffee

Krauthammer's RACIST!!!

Can't be. He's in a wheelchair./

49 saberry0530  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:23:25am

re: #39 albusteve

last night my wife and I were sitting in the living room and I said to her "you know, I never want to live in a vegetative state, dependant on some machine and fluid from a bottle, if that ever happens just pull the plug"...she got up, unplugged the computer and threw out my wine...

Alcohol abuse!

50 FightingBack  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:23:49am

I loved Obama's story of the Doctor, he sees the kid with sore throats, checks on his list and finds that a tonsillectomy pays best, and does that, when it's just allergies. ("Just allergies"! Do you have any idea of the cost of treating allergies?) Then, he re-orders tests because he can't be bothered to check the old ones.

Who practices medicine like this? Surgical procedure have indications. The tests are re-ordered because some lawyer can always say, "And weren't new ones needed, Doctor?"

51 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:23:58am

re: #8 albusteve

he needs his own TV show...more exposure

Isn't he on Meet The Press?

52 opnion  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:24:01am

I know that Obama thinks that he's really special, you know Greek Columns & all, but he may really have stepped in it with this police thing.

53 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:24:15am

re: #41 Sharmuta
Only when you start your comment with a quote about tort reform and trial lawyers.

54 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:24:27am

re: #37 Mad Al-Jaffee

Krauthammer's RACIST!!!

Having read WaPo readers' comments on past Krauthammer op-eds, I can imagine the idiot comments centered on racism, neocons, Israel, etc.

55 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:24:30am

This makes me do the happy dance. If Nancy and Harry can't keep their troops in line on this, I think you'll see more and more rebellion from Democrats who have to face their unhappy constituents in 16 months.

56 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:24:33am

re: #47 realwest

You're kidding me? Really - when was that?
//

I dunno--man with message in cleft stick just arrived here.//

57 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:24:49am

34 people have lost their LGF accounts so far, over that racist witch doctor image.

58 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:25:16am

re: #57 Charles

34 people have lost their LGF accounts so far, over that racist witch doctor image.

Damn.

59 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:25:19am

re: #52 opnion

Bigtime. Showing his real (I won't say colors) feelings.

60 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:25:27am

And, to top it all off, I used reign instead of rein.

Not my best morning.

61 vxbush  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:25:32am

re: #38 JohnnyReb

True that, but the republicans did not make "health care reform" the signature issue of their campaign, nor did they spread lies and fear about what would happen by not passing it. The Dems own this lock stock and barrel and nothing anyone can say will change that. This is Hillary Care all over again. And it will cause the Dems to lose yet again in the next election.

And I thought I remember tort reform being briefly discussed by the former administration. CBS backs me up.

62 freetoken  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:25:34am

re: #57 Charles

A record for one article, I assume?

63 Buster  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:25:38am

re: #8 albusteve

he needs his own TV show...more exposure

He is on the Fox report most nights, and FNS Sunday with Mike Wallace. Always great round-table discussions.

64 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:25:40am

re: #46 Lincolntf

"Why is the president picking on a beat cop that seems to be a more decent human than most?"

Because he won.

I don't have all the facts, but I think President 0bama is a commie motherfucker hell bent on destroying America. Isn't that roughly the same treatment he gave Sgt. Crowley?

65 3 wood  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:25:41am

re: #27 Baier

Obama proved he is more like Al Sharpton than Abe Lincoln.
Why is the president picking on a beat cop that seems to be a more decent human than most? What jerk.

It's part of the Chicago Way.

I actually had a Chicago politician explain it to me very openly at a golf outing one time. You periodically go after someone less powerful than you and destroy them as publicly as possible. That shows everyone that if they buck you they will get the same.

This is right out of the Chicago playbook.

66 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:25:48am

re: #53 realwest
ADDENDUM: Sharmuta please see the BOLDED part of my comment: "but on the larger issue of each party being beholden to special interests you're correct; just not on tort reform and trial lawyers."

67 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:25:55am

re: #51 Mad Al-Jaffee

Isn't he on Meet The Press?

don't know...I've seen him here and there, but know the shows

68 Baier  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:26:06am

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

That no surprise. The man was part of Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years and he launched his political career in the home two '60's radical terrorists. To Obama, the police are always wrong.

I just think it's so wrong for the President of the United States to single out a single officer without knowing the facts. In my mind a person with that instinct is irredeemable. I doubt Obama will be in a position to run for reelection in 2012.

69 opnion  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:26:08am

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

That no surprise. The man was part of Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years and he launched his political career in the home two '60's radical terrorists. To Obama, the police are always wrong.

He was supposed to transcend race , instead he wallows in it.

70 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:26:11am

re: #57 Charles

34 people have lost their LGF accounts so far, over that racist witch doctor image.

Man, that thing was like a stick of dynamite in a fish pond.

71 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:26:20am

re: #40 wahabicorridor

Well, Harry has no say in the House and Queen Nan has no say in the Senate.

Hubby doesn't think the damn thing will even get to conference.

I thought the goal was to get it to FCBBHO's desk before the break.

72 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:26:58am

re: #56 calcajun
ROFTFLMAO! Good one!

73 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:27:11am

re: #51 Mad Al-Jaffee

Isn't he on Meet The Press?

Meet the Press-- Press the Meat-- same thing./

74 Baier  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:27:14am

re: #57 Charles

34 people have lost their LGF accounts so far, over that racist witch doctor image.

Good riddance to bad garbage.

75 Kragar  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:27:33am

re: #57 Charles

34 people have lost their LGF accounts so far, over that racist witch doctor image.

Stealth dingers mostly or regulars?

76 DaddyG  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:27:40am

re: #27 Baier

I feel really sorry for that policeman. Even if the guy made a mistake (and I don't believe he did) there is no excuse for the more powerful person in world to come down on him. Obama proved he is more like Al Sharpton than Abe Lincoln.
Why is the president picking on a beat cop that seems to be a more decent human than most? What jerk.

Habit. Obama has been scoring political points his entire career on victimization of the "little people."

77 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:27:40am

re: #25 realwest

Gee that's the same article I referred to at 4:08 AM Pacific time. Sure takes a while for California folks to get the news!

Hey! We need our sleep!

78 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:28:02am

re: #57 Charles

34 people have lost their LGF accounts so far, over that racist witch doctor image.

Not surprised.

79 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:28:03am

re: #52 opnion

I know that Obama thinks that he's really special, you know Greek Columns & all, but he may really have stepped in it with this police thing.

the ever widening breach...every scrap of this stuff adds up

80 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:28:08am

re: #61 vxbush

And I thought I remember tort reform being briefly discussed by the former administration. CBS backs me up.

And the Dems in congress shot it down:

"Caps on damage awards of varying types have been implemented in 27 states, but a proposed federal cap, though successful in the House, was defeated because of Democratic opposition in the Senate."

81 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:28:33am

re: #1 vxbush

Go, Krauthammer! Bring down the anvil of truth and reality.

Go Hammer! Go Hammer! Go Hammer!

Never thought I would find a link for those two. MC Krauthammer is in the houuuse.

82 opnion  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:28:35am

re: #59 VegasRick

Bigtime. Showing his real (I won't say colors) feelings.

His comments could not have been more inapprorite.
Wading in on this issue, particularly with the facts unsettled diminishes the office.

83 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:28:39am

re: #57 Charles

I stopped in there for a quick look yesterday and it scared the shit out of me. Seriously folks we have to overcome shit like that, we can't stoop to the levels the left did with Bush, because they will use the racist argument over everything. That said, that picture was totally uncalled for.

84 CIA Reject  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:28:48am

re: #27 Baier

I feel really sorry for that policeman. Even if the guy made a mistake (and I don't believe he did) there is no excuse for the more powerful person in world to come down on him. Obama proved he is more like Al Sharpton than Abe Lincoln.
Why is the president picking on a beat cop that seems to be a more decent human than most? What jerk.

How long before that cop gets the "Joe the Plumber" treatment?

85 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:28:56am

re: #38 JohnnyReb

True that, but the republicans did not make "health care reform" the signature issue of their campaign, nor did they spread lies and fear about what would happen by not passing it. The Dems own this lock stock and barrel and nothing anyone can say will change that. This is Hillary Care all over again. And it will cause the Dems to lose yet again in the next election.

Where did I say anything to suggest the republicans own this? Or perhaps you think I'm an idiot who doesn't recall Clinton's health care plan?

I mentioned the republicans because of the piece pointing out the real reforms our health care system needs. And it's quite true our system needs them. But no one is proposing them. Krauthammer correctly points out that the current legislation doesn't mention any of these needed reform measures, but where are any republicans proposing them either?

My point- neither party cares about getting real and needed reforms to our health care industry passed because of special interests.

86 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:28:57am

re: #52 opnion

I know that Obama thinks that he's really special, you know Greek Columns & all, but he may really have stepped in it with this police thing.

Could this be the first time that an organization has actually stood up to Obama? I can't think of another.

87 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:29:01am

re: #57 Charles
Hey Charles, how many registered lizards do we now have (approximately)? I've been using 2,500 but don't know if that's still accurate.

88 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:29:02am

re: #71 MandyManners

I thought the goal was to get it to FCBBHO's desk before the break.

Oh, they gave up on that a day or two ago.

I don't know what Pelosi is thinking. Helf they Dem delegation already distrusts her - she is not endearing herself to them in the least. Steny Hoyer is going to start looking better and better.

89 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:29:16am

re: #70 calcajun

Man, that thing was like a stick of dynamite in a fish pond.

I'm still utterly shocked that so many were willing to defend that image, or defend (upding) others who did so.

I'm really surprised.

90 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:29:30am

re: #73 calcajun

Meet the Press-- Press the Meat-- same thing./

You have some kind of beef with that show?

91 Kragar  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:29:38am

Does anyone else have a major problem with the President of the United States micro-managing a police case because of friend of his was involved?

92 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:29:42am

re: #77 debutaunt

Hey! We need our sleep!

What is this sleep thing that you speak of?

93 Kragar  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:30:22am

re: #84 CIA Reject

How long before that cop gets the "Joe the Plumber" treatment?

I imagine Rahm has a file on his desk already.

94 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:30:23am

re: #91 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Does anyone else have a major problem with the President of the United States micro-managing a police case because of friend of his was involved?

*raises hand

95 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:30:40am

re: #80 JohnnyReb
Hey, that's cBS - you know they're wrong. Bush would NEVER have pushed for Tort Reform - he's a Repubican for cryin' out loud!
/

96 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:30:44am

re: #81 CommonCents

Go Hammer! Go Hammer! Go Hammer!

Never thought I would find a link for those two. MC Krauthammer is in the houuuse.

I love Friday morning, because it's always Krauthammer Time.

97 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:30:50am

re: #90 Mad Al-Jaffee

You have some kind of beef with that show?

Their discussions about pork-barrel projects is so re-vealing.

98 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:30:54am

I've got to go e-mail/text/call my friends and rels who are MA cops (including one who basically runs the PD union in my old City) to get their take on this. At least 75% of them voted for Obama.

99 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:30:59am

Watch the birdie!

100 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:31:00am

re: #86 VioletTiger

Do the CBO and Mayo Clinic count?

101 opnion  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:31:06am

re: #79 albusteve

the ever widening breach...every scrap of this stuff adds up

His image is getting tarnished.
His personal approval is higher than his job approval & he may be trashing his pesonal approval. If he does that, game , set, match.

102 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:31:07am

re: #84 CIA Reject

How long before that cop gets the "Joe the Plumber" treatment?

Depending on how much bad press 0 gets from it, Joe the plumber could look back on the treatment Crowley gets and say Damn, I got off easy.

103 CIA Reject  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:31:09am

re: #93 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I imagine Rahm has a file on his desk already.

No doubt - bastards!

104 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:31:12am

On the police thing: I regularly have to show ID to use my own credit card. I thank the clerk every time, because it's me she's protecting.

Crowley was protecting Gates' home, and his possessions. He ought to have thanked him for his service and his care in ascertaining that Gates was a. the owner and b. not in any danger.

Then he should get his stupid door fixed so that it opens properly.

105 dhg4  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:31:17am

My favorite part of the op-ed:

The president is therefore understandably eager to make this a contest between progressive Democrats and reactionary Republicans. He seized on Republican Sen. Jim DeMint's comment that stopping Obama on health care would break his presidency to protest, with perfect disingenuousness, that "this isn't about me. This isn't about politics."

It's all about him. Health care is his signature reform. And he knows that if he produces nothing, he forfeits the mystique that both propelled him to the presidency and has sustained him through a difficult first six months.

Frankly, I'm still amazed by the Washington Post's endorsement of President Obama.

A better health-care system also is crucial to bolstering U.S. competitiveness and relieving worker insecurity. Mr. McCain is right to advocate an end to the tax favoritism showed to employer plans. This system works against lower-income people, and Mr. Obama has disparaged the McCain proposal in deceptive ways. But Mr. McCain's health plan doesn't do enough to protect those who cannot afford health insurance. Mr. Obama hopes to steer the country toward universal coverage by charting a course between government mandates and individual choice, though we question whether his plan is affordable or does enough to contain costs.

Well it sure looks like he's charted a course toward government mandates and away from individual choice. My only question is why the editors of the Post thought that he'd take any other approach.

Karl Rove has similar thoughts (to Krauthammer.)

106 vxbush  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:31:23am

re: #85 Sharmuta

Where did I say anything to suggest the republicans own this? Or perhaps you think I'm an idiot who doesn't recall Clinton's health care plan?

I mentioned the republicans because of the piece pointing out the real reforms our health care system needs. And it's quite true our system needs them. But no one is proposing them. Krauthammer correctly points out that the current legislation doesn't mention any of these needed reform measures, but where are any republicans proposing them either?

My point- neither party cares about getting real and needed reforms to our health care industry passed because of special interests.

Did you see my link above about Bush attempting tort reform in 2005?

107 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:31:42am

re: #88 wahabicorridor
Do you think that the "Blue Dog Democrats" have gone down in 2010 cause ole Nancy steamrolled the House Dems?

108 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:32:08am

re: #89 iceweasel

I'm still utterly shocked that so many were willing to defend that image, or defend (upding) others who did so.

I'm really surprised.

shocked?...hang around awhile...there are plenty of mean assed nutters that visit

109 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:32:25am

re: #97 calcajun

Their discussions about pork-barrel projects is so re-vealing.

That is so baaad.

110 DaddyG  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:32:30am

re: #57 Charles

34 people have lost their LGF accounts so far, over that racist witch doctor image.

Mostly trolls and sleepers?

111 Picayune  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:32:31am

re: #21 Sharmuta

Touche! Now lets take Krauthammer's lead and get Med Mal Tort Reform done.

(ps: Sgt Crowley and numerous MA police union officials just concluded a presser in response to President Obama, MA Gov, and Boston Mayor's statements on the incident)

112 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:32:32am

re: #91 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Does anyone else have a major problem with the President of the United States micro-managing a police case because of friend of his was involved?

Do you have evidence that he interfered, let alone "micro-managed"?

He was asked a question at the end of a presser. He answered it. You may not like his answer, but the charges against Gates had already been dropped on Tuesday.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Obama had anything to do with that, and if you have some evidence to the contrary I, and many others, would like to see it.

113 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:32:56am

re: #91 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I don't think he's micromanaging it, he's stupidly commenting on it in an effort to distract. In his first hard test he gets the fail because he pulled the race card to try to trump the arguments against his health care plan. That's my read since I don't see him actually trying to interfere by calling for a commission, an investigation, or many other things he could do.

114 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:32:56am

re: #98 Lincolntf

I've got to go e-mail/text/call my friends and rels who are MA cops (including one who basically runs the PD union in my old City) to get their take on this. At least 75% of them voted for Obama.

That amazes me, I thought his hanging out with cop killers Ayers and Dohrn would make cops think twice. Now they have no excuse, they can see his outright contempt for the man.

115 3 wood  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:32:58am

re: #84 CIA Reject

How long before that cop gets the "Joe the Plumber" treatment?


I bet the MSM is combing through his background as we speak. They will try to publicly lynch this policeman for their Messiah.

116 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:33:33am

re: #107 realwest

Do you think that the "Blue Dog Democrats" have gone down in 2010 cause ole Nancy steamrolled the House Dems?

I think it's way too early to tell.

117 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:33:39am

re: #96 doppelganglander

I love Friday morning, because it's always Krauthammer Time.

Indeed. Common sense for the CommonCents. He is very skilled a penning what I'm thinking, I wonder how he knows. {scratching head}

The people that leave comments on his articles over at WaPo though, what a bunch of deranged idiots.

118 Spider Mensch  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:33:43am

re: #98 Lincolntf

I've got to go e-mail/text/call my friends and rels who are MA cops (including one who basically runs the PD union in my old City) to get their take on this. At least 75% of them voted for Obama.


I have 2 family memebers that are "on the job" as they like to say. one is an undercover det sergeant and the other a 20 + year officer..both of them can't stand obama and actively campaigned other family members against voting for him.

119 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:33:45am

re: #106 vxbush

Did you see my link above about Bush attempting tort reform in 2005?

I did not so I went and looked just now, and again I would look at congressional special interests blocking whatever reform Bush tried. Thanks for looking it up, though. Nice to know Dubya tried for us.

120 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:33:52am

re: #108 albusteve

shocked?...hang around awhile...there are plenty of mean assed nutters that visit

Oh I know that. But this many popping out of the woodwork on one post--isn't that unprecedented?

121 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:33:53am

re: #57 Charles

34 people have lost their LGF accounts so far, over that racist witch doctor image.

Mostly sleepers and trolls?

Anyone with a higher profile?

122 CIA Reject  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:34:06am

re: #102 soxfan4life

Depending on how much bad press 0 gets from it, Joe the plumber could look back on the treatment Crowley gets and say Damn, I got off easy.

Indeed. I would not be the least bit surprised if we see an Internal Affairs witch hunt that paralyzes the entire Cambridge PD in retribution.

123 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:34:19am

re: #93 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I imagine Rahm has a file on his desk already.


Yeah but even Rahm doesn't know what to do with it; the same officer tried to revive Reggie Lewis (a Black basketball player) when Reggie was dying (or perhaps already dead).
And, of course, this particular miscreant legally carries a handgun for self-defense!

124 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:34:22am

re: #107 realwest

Do you think that the "Blue Dog Democrats" have gone down in 2010 cause ole Nancy steamrolled the House Dems?

I've wondered all along what she has up her sleeve for those guys...I just think they are more affraid for their jobs than they are of her...it's getting critical

125 Baier  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:34:29am

re: #84 CIA Reject

How long before that cop gets the "Joe the Plumber" treatment?

Joe the Plumber likes the limelight. I don't think this guy does.

126 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:34:39am

re: #57 Charles

34 people have lost their LGF accounts so far, over that racist witch doctor image.

Faux lizards, every one.

127 3 wood  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:34:53am

re: #88 wahabicorridor

I don't know what Pelosi is thinking. Helf they Dem delegation already distrusts her - she is not endearing herself to them in the least. Steny Hoyer is going to start looking better and better.


I think she is playing to the base. The wackos at HuffPo have been spinning out over this delay.

128 dhg4  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:35:01am

This is also good. Why Obama isn't governing from the Center.

Short answer: because he's not a centrist.

129 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:35:05am

re: #117 CommonCents

Indeed. Common sense for the CommonCents. He is very skilled a penning what I'm thinking, I wonder how he knows. {scratching head}

The people that leave comments on his articles over at WaPo though, what a bunch of deranged idiots.

I believe his greatest asset as a political commentator is his training as a psychiatrist. I'm sure you know he coined the term Bush Derangement Syndrome.

130 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:35:08am

re: #115 3 wood

I bet the MSM is combing through his background as we speak. They will try to publicly lynch this policeman for their Messiah.

It's already started. The very fact that he was on NBC Today this morning means it's begun.

131 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:35:08am

re: #98 Lincolntf

I've got to go e-mail/text/call my friends and rels who are MA cops (including one who basically runs the PD union in my old City) to get their take on this. At least 75% of them voted for Obama.

I wonder if they're fucking happy now.

132 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:35:26am

re: #93 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I imagine Rahm has a file on his desk already.

You know Obama is really going to regret this case of stupidness. This is exactly the same kind of elitism that he displayed in SF with the gun clinging church going comments. It is who he is and he can't change. gonna be a long 3 1/2 years of this crap.

133 JustABill  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:35:40am

Krauthammers right on at some point people want more than

"Just Words, Just Speaches" - Obama

134 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:35:41am

re: #89 iceweasel

I'm still utterly shocked that so many were willing to defend that image, or defend (upding) others who did so.

I'm really surprised.

You know, even if you were to think the photo wasn't racist, there's no denying that it was mind-bogglingly stupid. Any point that the author hoped to make--no matter how valid--was utterly lost. The bozo did more damage to his own cause than he might imagine. So, even if something does not strike you as racist, have a care and think how it might strike others and--more importantly--will this advance or harm the cause you advancing. Your message can get easily lost in the fog of stupidity.

135 summergurl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:35:49am

re: #57 Charles

34 people have lost their LGF accounts so far, over that racist witch doctor image.


Well they're pretty clueless/dumb then and deserve it - and thankfully this site does not sit by and let that crap get aired...

WTG Charles

136 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:35:52am

re: #120 iceweasel

Oh I know that. But this many popping out of the woodwork on one post--isn't that unprecedented?

This kook doctor had more folks pop up to defend his work than robert spencer got on the genocidal facebook fiasco.

137 3 wood  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:35:52am

re: #91 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Does anyone else have a major problem with the President of the United States micro-managing a police case because of friend of his was involved?

Big time.

And if it was Bush doing this the press would be livid.

138 paint-right  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:35:57am

re: #91 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Does anyone else have a major problem with the President of the United States micro-managing a police case because of friend of his was involved?

Big time!

139 DaddyG  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:36:33am

re: #104 EmmmieG

On the police thing: I regularly have to show ID to use my own credit card. I thank the clerk every time, because it's me she's protecting.

Crowley was protecting Gates' home, and his possessions. He ought to have thanked him for his service and his care in ascertaining that Gates was a. the owner and b. not in any danger.

Then he should get his stupid door fixed so that it opens properly.

That is what boggles my mind about this Harvard Professor. When my car was broken into I voluntarily submitted to fingerprinting by a black policeman so they could tell my prints from the perp. I was grateful as heck that they were there to investigate the crime. Admittedly I have never been a black man in America but sooner or later you have to decide not to suspect everyones motives.

140 CommonCents  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:36:47am

re: #129 doppelganglander

I believe his greatest asset as a political commentator is his training as a psychiatrist. I'm sure you know he coined the term Bush Derangement Syndrome.

I did. 6:40 every weekday I watch FoxNews to get my Krauthammer update. Other than that 20 minutes, I can't stand the repetitive non-news.

141 JohnnyReb  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:36:49am

re: #106 vxbush

Did you see my link above about Bush attempting tort reform in 2005?


Yep and from the article:

"Caps on damage awards of varying types have been implemented in 27 states, but a proposed federal cap, though successful in the House, was defeated because of Democratic opposition in the Senate."

Sorry for the response lag, I wanted to read the entire article.

142 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:36:53am

re: #100 wahabicorridor

Do the CBO and Mayo Clinic count?


Yes, they do. The CBO I know about, but not the Mayo clinic.

143 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:36:57am

re: #122 CIA Reject

Indeed. I would not be the least bit surprised if we see an Internal Affairs witch hunt that paralyzes the entire Cambridge PD in retribution.

Here in MA the talk is that SGT Crowley will be a liability to the city of Kambridge now as every minority will have huge problems with the guy. 0 and his pals ( Gates and Gov. Patrick) have ruined Sgt. Crowley's reputation and his good name.

144 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:37:05am
why is it, to take but the most egregious example, that in this grand health-care debate we hear not a word about one of the worst sources of waste in American medicine: the insane cost and arbitrary rewards of our malpractice system?

When a neurosurgeon pays $200,000 a year for malpractice insurance before he even turns on the light in his office or hires his first nurse, who do you think pays? Patients, in higher doctor fees to cover the insurance.

And with jackpot justice that awards one claimant zillions while others get nothing -- and one-third of everything goes to the lawyers -- where do you think that money comes from? The insurance companies, which then pass it on to you in higher premiums.

But the greatest waste is the hidden cost of defensive medicine: tests and procedures that doctors order for no good reason other than to protect themselves from lawsuits. Every doctor knows, as I did when I practiced years ago, how much unnecessary medical cost is incurred with an eye not on medicine but on the law.

Tort reform would yield tens of billions in savings. Yet you cannot find it in the Democratic bills. And Obama breathed not a word about it in the full hour of his health-care news conference. Why? No mystery. The Democrats are parasitically dependent on huge donations from trial lawyers.

My son is in the process of becoming a neurosurgeon.

Not electing any more lawyers might help.
My $.02.

145 freetoken  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:37:07am

Wow indeed, they are still coming in on the image thread downstairs.

146 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:37:20am

re: #57 Charles

34 people have lost their LGF accounts so far, over that racist witch doctor image.

How many of them were regular posters and how many very rarely posted?

147 summergurl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:37:28am

re: #132 JohnnyReb

You know Obama is really going to regret this case of stupidness. This is exactly the same kind of elitism that he displayed in SF with the gun clinging church going comments. It is who he is and he can't change. gonna be a long 3 1/2 years of this crap.

It's Jeremiah Wright's teachings coming home to roost

148 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:37:29am

re: #83 soxfan4life
I completely and thoroughly agree with you EXCEPT - the Left will use racisim every chance they get. Sorta like President Obama did the other night.
Seriously, what the hell was he thinking, he even said he didn't know the facts of the case and then opined on it anyway?
He needs MUCH better staff, he really does.

149 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:37:42am

re: #84 CIA Reject

How long before that cop gets the "Joe the Plumber" treatment?

I'm surprised it hasn't started already.

My advice, when it starts, would be to confront the accuser directly about using such tactics, while ignoring the slime they're trying to spread by eliciting a response from the officer related to it.

But I'm beyond certain that we will see slime.

150 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:38:07am

True economy of health costs would come from healthier living habits:

More exercise,

Better diets,

Better connection to the Creator &

More mutual aid between people.

Of course that would take personal effort and is not something a nanny state can promise you in return for your vote.

151 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:38:31am

re: #115 3 wood

I bet the MSM is combing through his background as we speak. They will try to publicly lynch this policeman for their Messiah.

may be...but he seems to have alot of backup...BOs handlers should be doing everything they can to shut this thing down...but bet me BO will still be on it today or tomorrow...he's a punk at heart

152 Dianna  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:38:36am

Excellent article.

153 DaddyG  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:38:36am

re: #112 iceweasel

Do you have evidence that he interfered, let alone "micro-managed"?

He was asked a question at the end of a presser. He answered it. You may not like his answer, but the charges against Gates had already been dropped on Tuesday.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Obama had anything to do with that, and if you have some evidence to the contrary I, and many others, would like to see it.

The president of the United States calling a local police decision stupid is micro-managing the police business. He should know his words carry the weight of his office. He didn't have to file a legal brief to make that happen.

154 CIA Reject  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:38:37am

re: #125 Baier

Joe the Plumber likes the limelight. I don't think this guy does.

Somehow I doubt that even Joe enjoyed having his trash sorted through and all the details of his personal life made public.

155 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:38:53am

re: #142 VioletTiger

Yes, they do. The CBO I know about, but not the Mayo clinic.

The Mayo Clinic has come out against it.

156 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:39:06am

re: #127 3 wood

I think she is playing to the base. The wackos at HuffPo have been spinning out over this delay.


She is so different from DeLay. He knew every electoral concern of the delegation and tried to never put anyone in a tough spot (unless they REALLY pissed him off). If he had to ask someone to make a difficult vote, he looked for something he could give them to take home.

Pelosi is just a bitch who wants to have dinner at the White House with The One. THAT'S her 'base'

157 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:39:41am

re: #140 CommonCents

I did. 6:40 every weekday I watch FoxNews to get my Krauthammer update. Other than that 20 minutes, I can't stand the repetitive non-news.

I don't watch every night, but the six o'clock program is the only time I can bear to watch Fox, unless there's something really huge going on. I used to be an avid fan, but they've just gone down the tubes.

158 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:39:47am

re: #109 VegasRick

That is so baaad.

I know, but I have to shoulder that burden.

159 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:39:49am

re: #120 iceweasel

Oh I know that. But this many popping out of the woodwork on one post--isn't that unprecedented?

probably but Charles is less tolerant these days, and rightly so

160 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:40:32am

re: #85 Sharmuta
Now that I agree with completely.But I DO have a way to fix that: Make the President, the Vice-President and all members of Congress have to have the same health insurance plans that the general public has available to them.
And no I'm not joking; Obama and the Congresscritters have NO CLUE as to the real costs of healthcare these days.

161 Baier  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:40:40am

re: #154 CIA Reject

Somehow I doubt that even Joe enjoyed having his trash sorted through and all the details of his personal life made public.

I agree. I'm just pointing out that Joe's situation is a bit different.

162 vxbush  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:40:48am

re: #141 JohnnyReb

Yep and from the article:

"Caps on damage awards of varying types have been implemented in 27 states, but a proposed federal cap, though successful in the House, was defeated because of Democratic opposition in the Senate."

Sorry for the response lag, I wanted to read the entire article.

No, that's fine. My remark was actually for Sharmuta, but she also responded. I agree with her, though; it would be good to get a better sense of who, back in 2005, stood in the way. I'm not sure how many of them are still in office, but given the larger number of Dems in office, tort reform seems nigh unto impossible right now.

163 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:40:52am

re: #158 calcajun

I know, but I have to shoulder that burden.

I may have to pur-loin that pin.

164 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:41:07am

re: #153 DaddyG

The president of the United States calling a local police decision stupid is micro-managing the police business. He should know his words carry the weight of his office. He didn't have to file a legal brief to make that happen.

It is beyond stupid to make such comments after prefacing them by saying "I don't have all the facts. But..." and then launching into personal and professional insults based on that non-understanding.

165 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:41:16am
166 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:41:22am

Euphemistic White House
Ethel C. Fenig
When skeptics began to question Al Gore's and his acolytes' hysterics over global warming during last winter's cold months--or even began to long for global warming--the non scientist hysteria mongers smoothly segued to warnings of "climate change." That simple phrase change covered all possibilities.

President Barack Obama (D) seems to have learned from his fellow Democrat and is now touting health insurance reform rather than the more generic health care reform. I noticed his use of the phrase during Obama's Wednesday night press conference where Obama uttered the new phrase five times. . .

Self righteous hot air aside, this was a coldly calculated move.

But the term also has distinctive political advantages. Insurance reform, insiders say, likely polls better than a more general reform message because it targets something voters know, understand and don't particularly like. And, it has the added bonus of setting up the insurance industry as a political punching bag.

Punching bag, boogeyman...blame anyone or anything but Obama and his poorly thought out plan.

Don't say you haven't been warned. Remember, Obama wants this passed now and every tactic is allowed according to the "Chicago Way."

167 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:41:29am

re: #41 Sharmuta

Are "special interests" strictly trial lawyers now?

IMHO, the trial lawyers are the special interest that has the most direct effect on our lives, by inflating the cost of health care and many other products and services we use. They're at least tied with the unions, and considering the relative sizes of the two groups, trial lawyers have far more effect per group member.

168 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:41:48am

re: #87 realwest

Hey Charles, how many registered lizards do we now have (approximately)? I've been using 2,500 but don't know if that's still accurate.

2,500 is way low -- it's over 25,000.

169 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:41:52am

from the previous thread, posted here 'cause it's so damn good:

#1331 pink freud

"The President used the right adjective but directed it to the wrong party"

/from police statement, referring to use of word 'stupid'

170 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:41:58am

re: #155 MandyManners

"Mayo Clinic" always makes me think of a detox program for mayonnaise addiction.

171 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:42:18am

re: #148 realwest

He needs MUCH better staff, he really does.

He needs a lot more than that!

Good afternoon {real}. You're here at an odd time, as am I.
Hope you're doing well today!

172 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:42:45am

re: #163 MrSilverDragon

I may have to pur-loin that pin.

Flank you very much--imitation is the sincerest form of flattery./

173 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:42:50am

re: #150 Ojoe
Except for two things Ojoe: some terminal diseases have NOT been linked to diet; heart attacks and "clogged arteries" (i.e., high cholesterol) are, according to Mom's doctor and to my doctors are about 75% genetic. The second thing is that healthy living and exercise won't do a damn thing to prevent cancer. See, e.g., Lance Armstrong.

174 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:43:41am

re: #65 3 wood

It's part of the Chicago Way.

I actually had a Chicago politician explain it to me very openly at a golf outing one time. You periodically go after someone less powerful than you and destroy them as publicly as possible. That shows everyone that if they buck you they will get the same.

This is right out of the Chicago playbook.

The problem with that is it only works if you successfully destroy them. If they find a way to survive and hit back then you still look like an asshole but now you're the kind of asshole makes threats he can't back up. I think Obama is going to end up in that latter category.

175 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:43:58am

re: #167 Son of the Black Dog

IMHO, the trial lawyers are the special interest that has the most direct effect on our lives, by inflating the cost of health care and many other products and services we use. They're at least tied with the unions, and considering the relative sizes of the two groups, trial lawyers have far more effect per group member.

I realize the trial lawyers are the big component in this- I'm not trying to diminish that at all. I'm just trying to use language that doesn't exclude other interests as well.

176 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:44:05am

duty to die

/OBEY!

177 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:44:20am

re: #173 realwest

All true, realwest. But I am speaking of statistics & the overall costs.

Good day to you & your mom!

178 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:44:34am

re: #168 Charles

2,500 is way low -- it's over 25,000.


That's a lot of lurkers.

179 aggieann  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:44:37am

re: #173 realwest

Except for two things Ojoe: some terminal diseases have NOT been linked to diet; heart attacks and "clogged arteries" (i.e., high cholesterol) are, according to Mom's doctor and to my doctors are about 75% genetic. The second thing is that healthy living and exercise won't do a damn thing to prevent cancer. See, e.g., Lance Armstrong.

. . . although bicycle riding has been linked to testicular cancer.

180 callahan23  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:44:41am

re: #168 Charles

2,500 is way low -- it's over 25,000.

Wow!
So then the term 'Lizard-Army' was fitting after all.

181 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:44:45am

re: #168 Charles
25,000 REGISTERED USERS?! Holy smokes, I never knew that!
I wonder how come so many of them don't bother to post any comments or supply any links? I mean, otherwise what's the point of registering?
Ah, those are rhetorical Charles, no answer required!

182 vxbush  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:44:54am

re: #173 realwest

Except for two things Ojoe: some terminal diseases have NOT been linked to diet; heart attacks and "clogged arteries" (i.e., high cholesterol) are, according to Mom's doctor and to my doctors are about 75% genetic. The second thing is that healthy living and exercise won't do a damn thing to prevent cancer. See, e.g., Lance Armstrong.

Exactly. I wish more people understood this and didn't just accept that healthy eating and living is going to prevent what your DNA already has in store for you. You might be able to fight it, or possibly delay it, but it will happen. And in the cases you mentioned, it doesn't matter a bit.

183 paint-right  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:44:57am

I have not seen mentioned anywhere the SCAMS perpetrated against Medicare, whether by doctors or patients or both in collusin. I don't know the amounts involved, but ABC in one instance did an undercover report on chiropracters who were doing "adjustments " on a weekly basis on perfectly healthy kids who they rewarded with treats and gifts for coming in every week. And drove them to the offices!
There is a huge chiropractic building - 3 stories - near us, which has buses running to and fro..
Again, my subject is scamming - not this particular form of treatment.

184 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:44:57am

re: #172 calcajun

Flank you very much--imitation is the sincerest form of flattery./

If it's good, I like it. If it's tripe, not so much.

185 subsailor68  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:45:11am

Morning all!! Dr. Sowell also has a piece today that - taken with Charles Krauthammer's piece, really gives me things to think about. Thomas Sowell also addresses scapegoating as a political tool;

Magician Politics

Food for thought in both columns.

186 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:45:13am

re: #70 calcajun

Man, that thing was like a stick of dynamite in a fish pond.

Except you don't get dinner.

187 CIA Reject  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:45:17am

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

The problem with that is it only works if you successfully destroy them. If they find a way to survive and hit back then you still look like an asshole but now you're the kind of asshole makes threats he can't back up. I think Obama is going to end up in that latter category.

Hell, he's already IN that category if you ask the leadership of Al-Queda, Iran, and North Korea!

188 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:45:17am

re: #166 midwestgak

Who didn't know better than to vote for the "Chicago" way?
Hello? ! ?
/

189 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:45:26am

re: #181 realwest

25,000 REGISTERED USERS?! Holy smokes, I never knew that!
I wonder how come so many of them don't bother to post any comments or supply any links? I mean, otherwise what's the point of registering?
Ah, those are rhetorical Charles, no answer required!


It takes courage to put out your thoughts and be willing to take a downding.

190 DaddyG  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:45:30am

re: #178 redstateredneck

That's a lot of lurkers.

20% Nodrog sock puppets./

191 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:45:41am

I love it where the AMA endorsed the bill within two days (well studied), the BO turns around and slams doctors for the heavy cost of treatment, without ever mentioning tort reform or insurance rate...pimps and whores, lying and cheatin on each other...what a circus

192 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:46:17am

re: #156 wahabicorridor
Frankly a lot of us think Nancy Pelosi is base.

193 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:46:18am

re: #144 J.D.

Tort reform should be key to any changes to our system. Bad law suits cause so much of the defensive medicine and high malpractice insurance costs.

194 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:46:27am

Cambridge Police Unit Demands Apology From Obama for 'Stupidly' Remark

I watched the news conference and yes I was eating popcorn.

195 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:46:31am

re: #168 Charles

2,500 is way low -- it's over 25,000.

That makes me feel old... somehow...

196 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:47:10am

re: #176 Killian Bundy

I wasn't kidding when I said the BHO health care plan flowchart ended at a gas chamber. How else will they handle the numbers--they largest demographic group is going to be the 65+ group and the $ is just not there for them.

197 turn  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:47:44am

re: #126 debutaunt

Faux lizards, every one.

Liberal plants that post comments like that on hot button issues to try and smear us conservatives no doubt.

198 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:48:07am

re: #186 Ward Cleaver

Except you don't get dinner.

I would not eat what floated to the surface in that discussion.

199 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:48:21am

re: #171 J.D. Hi {J.D.} yeah I'm just waiting on lunch so I can take some more meds!
I'm doing ok - got my permanent crown in yesterday and now have one entire side of my mouth that I can chew on! LOL!
How are you doing and how come you're out here at this hour?

200 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:48:55am

re: #193 VioletTiger

Tort reform should be key to any changes to our system. Bad law suits cause so much of the defensive medicine and high malpractice insurance costs.

Any third party payer (insurance) is like walking in to the clinic and handing them a blank check. I have asked so many people why they had this procedure or this test and they don't know. The doctor said they needed it and their insurance covered it so they got it.
Manage your health care, people!

201 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:48:55am

re: #197 turn

Liberal plants that post comments like that on hot button issues to try and smear us conservatives no doubt.

of course...another reason I am skeptical of full blown liberals, as if I need any more reasons

202 Wendya  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:49:29am

re: #80 JohnnyReb

And the Dems in congress shot it down:

"Caps on damage awards of varying types have been implemented in 27 states, but a proposed federal cap, though successful in the House, was defeated because of Democratic opposition in the Senate."

Trial lawyers give 80% of their campaign donations to democrats. They own them.

203 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:49:36am
204 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:49:37am

re: #177 Ojoe Hey Ojoe - thanks and good day to you too (and thanks again for the towercam on the DT!).

205 subsailor68  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:49:43am

re: #191 albusteve

I love it where the AMA endorsed the bill within two days (well studied), the BO turns around and slams doctors for the heavy cost of treatment, without ever mentioning tort reform or insurance rate...pimps and whores, lying and cheatin on each other...what a circus

Hi albusteve!! Guess the AMA should have remembered the old adage about the scorpion and the frog. "I couldn't help it - it's my nature."

206 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:50:06am

More proof Queen Nancy doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks. She's planning to bypass the committees and bring healthcare "reform" to a vote before the August recess. Be careful what you wish for, Nancy.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

207 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:50:16am

re: #170 Ojoe

"Mayo Clinic" always makes me think of a detox program for mayonnaise addiction.

Do the wean you off with Miracle Whip?

208 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:51:10am

re: #206 doppelganglander

More proof Queen Nancy doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks. She's planning to bypass the committees and bring healthcare "reform" to a vote before the August recess. Be careful what you wish for, Nancy.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

If she does, it could go down in flames.

209 medaura18586  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:51:33am
President Obama premised the need for reform on the claim that medical costs are destroying the economy. True.

Huh? I don't know where he gets that.

[Link: www.manhattan-institute.org...]

Watch those C-Span videos and read her article, both packed with actual data.

210 turn  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:51:37am

re: #201 albusteve

of course...another reason I am skeptical of full blown liberals, as if I need any more reasons

Hey did Nevergiveup get banned?

211 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:51:51am

re: #185 subsailor68

Insurance companies are another distraction and a scapegoat because they do not insure "pre-existing conditions." Stop and think about it: If you could wait until you got sick to take out health insurance, why would you buy that insurance while you are well?

You could avoid paying all those premiums and then-- after you got sick-- take out health insurance and let the premiums paid by other people pay for your medical treatment.

That is not "bringing down the cost of health care." It is sticking somebody else with paying those costs. So is taxing "the rich." So is passing on those costs to your children and grandchildren through government deficit spending.

When Obama makes the insurance companies the villains for not insuring pre-existing conditions, that gives him another distraction and enables him to be another escape artist, like Houdini.

Stop and think about it.
Now there's a novel approach!

212 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:51:54am

re: #208 calcajun

If she does, it could go down in flames.

Yes, please.

213 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:52:13am

re: #173 realwest

Except for two things Ojoe: some terminal diseases have NOT been linked to diet; heart attacks and "clogged arteries" (i.e., high cholesterol) are, according to Mom's doctor and to my doctors are about 75% genetic. The second thing is that healthy living and exercise won't do a damn thing to prevent cancer. See, e.g., Lance Armstrong.

Did anyone know Edie Falco of the Sophranos was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2003? She battled it in private.

214 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:52:17am

re: #210 turn

Hey did Nevergiveup get banned?

it appears so

215 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:52:21am

re: #185 subsailor68

Morning all!! Dr. Sowell also has a piece today that - taken with Charles Krauthammer's piece, really gives me things to think about. Thomas Sowell also addresses scapegoating as a political tool;

Magician Politics

Food for thought in both columns.

I love Sowell. I'd vote for him for President in a heartbeat. The bottom line is I care what's in a man's head, not what color it is.

216 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:52:28am

re: #210 turn

Hey did Nevergiveup get banned?

Yes.

217 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:52:35am

A sample survey of the stats of some of these recently banned idiots:

The Wizard

Karma: -5
This user is blocked.
Registered since: Feb 16, 2009 at 10:22 am
No. of comments posted: 3
No. of links posted: 0

Sacred Plants

Karma: -30
Registered since: Jun 25, 2007 at 8:22 am
No. of comments posted: 311
No. of links posted: 7

hinduzionkafir

Karma: -7
This user is blocked.
Registered since: Feb 14, 2008 at 8:31 pm
No. of comments posted: 19
No. of links posted: 0

leereyno

Karma: 168
This user is blocked.
Registered since: Mar 11, 2008 at 7:14 pm
No. of comments posted: 174
No. of links posted: 0

The False God

Karma: 9
Registered since: Jun 15, 2004 at 6:50 pm
No. of comments posted: 258
No. of links posted: 0

jharada

Karma: 17
This user is blocked.
Registered since: Jun 25, 2007 at 8:29 am
No. of comments posted: 29
No. of links posted: 0

These 6 are typical. Not frequent posters, & some obvious lurkers. I've never seen any of the above 6 around here before, so I don't know when they were posting their few comments.

218 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:52:36am

re: #196 calcajun

I wasn't kidding when I said the BHO health care plan flowchart ended at a gas chamber. How else will they handle the numbers--they largest demographic group is going to be the 65+ group and the $ is just not there for them.

Couple that with the higher rates of inheritance tax he wants, and the only people left over 65 will be world class sprinters, or expert shooters.

219 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:53:02am

re: #191 albusteve

I love it where the AMA endorsed the bill within two days (well studied), the BO turns around and slams doctors for the heavy cost of treatment, without ever mentioning tort reform or insurance rate...pimps and whores, lying and cheatin on each other...what a circus

As I recall, Obama gave a speech to the AMA and specifically said he would not be addressing tort reform.

The AMA came out with their support AFTER that.

220 turn  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:53:14am

re: #214 albusteve

it appears so

I'll have to go back to the thread, I left early.

221 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:53:56am

re: #144 J.D.

My son is in the process of becoming a neurosurgeon.

Not electing any more lawyers might help.
My $.02.

We just have to be careful not to stop people from getting their day in court when they have a valid claim, or there is egregious misconduct or malpractice. Here in Texas we passed malpractice reform (as a constitutional amendment, no less) in 2003, and lawyers won't take many cases anymore, because non-economic damages are capped at $250k, regardless of the claim.

222 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:53:59am

re: #200 redstateredneck
Yeah but red that's also part of tort reform. I've had doctors give me tests that were just STUPID but it helped insulate them from Medical malpractice lawsuits.

223 soxfan4life  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:54:05am

re: #220 turn

I'll have to go back to the thread, I left early.

Why, that is some scary shit over there.

224 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:54:24am

re: #191 albusteve

what a circus

It is beyond bizarre.

225 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:54:36am

re: #208 calcajun

If she does, it could go down in flames.

Precisely. The article says she needs 39 Blue Dog Democrats just to achieve a tie, if all the Republicans vote no (which they will if they know what's good for them).

More than just the fact that it's a crappy bill that voters back home don't want, I suspect the Blue Dogs are already pretty damn tired of being ordered around like Nancy's house servants. That's why I say if this fails, it's game over for this session of Congress on ANY of Obama's proposals.

226 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:54:41am

re: #219 wahabicorridor

As I recall, Obama gave a speech to the AMA and specifically said he would not be addressing tort reform.

The AMA came out with their support AFTER that.

I don't know the timeline...certainly makes sense to wait for the bribe

227 paint-right  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:54:57am

Also for consideration...are the big insurance companies not among the major companies that Wall St invests in? if the goal of Obama's plan is to debilitate the insurance companies - or if it is a byproduct of 'health insurance reform" , an unforeseen consequence if you will, then won't that wreak havoc on the economy?

228 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:55:36am

re: #193 VioletTiger

Tort reform should be key to any changes to our system. Bad law suits cause so much of the defensive medicine and high malpractice insurance costs.

Clearly, it's just not gonna happen.

Who's surprised?

229 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:55:40am

Oh yeah, I almost forgot:

J.D.!

230 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:55:54am

re: #221 Ward Cleaver

We just have to be careful not to stop people from getting their day in court when they have a valid claim, or there is egregious misconduct or malpractice. Here in Texas we passed malpractice reform (as a constitutional amendment, no less) in 2003, and lawyers won't take many cases anymore, because non-economic damages are capped at $250k, regardless of the claim.

Did that include "loser pays"?

231 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:56:21am

re: #225 doppelganglander

Precisely. The article says she needs 39 Blue Dog Democrats just to achieve a tie, if all the Republicans vote no (which they will if they know what's good for them).

More than just the fact that it's a crappy bill that voters back home don't want, I suspect the Blue Dogs are already pretty damn tired of being ordered around like Nancy's house servants. That's why I say if this fails, it's game over for this session of Congress on ANY of Obama's proposals.

what does she have on those guys?...it's political suicide for her

232 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:56:50am

re: #206 doppelganglander
Hi there dopps! That's why I said what I did in my #192 above. Some of us think Nancy Pelosi IS base.

233 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:57:40am

re: #189 EmmmieG

It takes courage to put out your thoughts and be willing to take a downding.

Right. I was fortunate that I was warmly welcomed and encouraged when I first registered here, not ignored at all. The rest is history.

Come on lurkers. It's a lot of fun. We don't bite, well most of us.

234 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:57:48am

I want to thank those folks who recognize there are some problems with our health care industry, but it is not the disaster some factions make it out to be.

Acknowledging the litigious component of this is one major piece of it. It is totally true, that it has a massive negative impact on the system.

I have privileges at 3 hospitals. In the last 10 years, the only county trauma center gave up their trauma credentials largely because of it. An excellent neurosurgeon moved to Texas because his malpractice was a half million dollars per year in PA, and 3 OBGYN practices split.

It is real. One hospital closed their pediatric floor. One of our surgeons stopped performing spine surgery because he ended up paying over $10K more for the malpractice rider to do spine surgery. (That is 10K in the hole, he lost money doing spine surgery)

As someone on the inside, I can tell you from the battle line, it is a problem. For those patients truly hurt by true by real malpractice, they deserve a fair compensation. But the general public could be served well to know exactly how much fraud is out there.

235 Picayune  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:58:04am

re: #104 EmmmieG

Me to, I thank them every time. As to Professor Gates, after he gets his door repaired, I humbly suggest that he learn the difference between racial profiling and criminal profiling.

Sgt. Crowley's associates have stated that Crowley was following proper police procedure when he first arrived at Gates front door, and was engaged in criminal profiling in order to assess the facts of the reported break-in. For the safety of both he and Gates, Crowley immediately identified himself, stated his purpose for his presence and requested that Gates come out of the house and speak to him about the matter on the front porch.

If the now empaneled investigative commission comes to this finding, then perhaps this incident may be put into its proper reference frame of criminal profiling as required by procedure, and this super sensitive reference of racial profiling can be put aside.

If so, perhaps we can all be enabled to move forward to a better appreciation of all sides of this incident and "cooler heads will finally prevail, as BHO has now requested.

Gates will lose his 15 minutes of fame, but we would all as a society be the better for it. I nominate Bill Cosby to moderate the discussion.

236 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:58:13am

re: #150 Ojoe

True economy of health costs would come from healthier living habits:

More exercise,

Better diets,

Better connection to the Creator &

More mutual aid between people.

Of course that would take personal effort and is not something a nanny state can promise you in return for your vote.

So I guess we'll all start our day doing mandatory exercises in front of our TV set with the attached video camera.

237 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:58:17am

re: #227 paint-right
Nah, it'll just add another 50,000 or so to the unemployment rolls.
/

238 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:58:28am

re: #222 realwest

Yeah but red that's also part of tort reform. I've had doctors give me tests that were just STUPID but it helped insulate them from Medical malpractice lawsuits.

I question them on it and don't take them if I'm not convinced that they're medically necessary. I know and understand that your situation is different than mine, but when my doctor wanted me to have my esophagus scoped to rule out that what was going on was something other than acid reflux, I said why don't we just try the prevacid for a while and see if the condition improves first. He said okay and I didn't get scoped. Condition improved...must've been acid reflux.

239 subsailor68  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:58:42am

re: #211 J.D.

Stop and think about it.
Now there's a novel approach!

Hi J.D.!! Yep, I was intrigued by that paragraph as well. Imagine if we could avoid the cost of auto insurance until we had an accident, then were - by law - allowed to purchase the insurance, at no higher premium, have our car repaired, then simply drop the policy.

240 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:58:43am
241 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:58:47am

re: #231 albusteve

what does she have on those guys?...it's political suicide for her

I believe she's too arrogant to realize that she's lighting her own funeral pyre. She honestly believes she's in control and no one will dare oppose her. Let's see how that works out for her.

242 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:58:55am

re: #230 eschew_obfuscation

Did that include "loser pays"?

Ain't no healthcare reform without it or MedMal caps.

/have you checked out premiums for medical malpractice insurance lately?

243 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:58:55am

re: #230 eschew_obfuscation

Did that include "loser pays"?

No, I don't think it does. I just think that if a doctor royally screws up (and I like doctors, BTW - my BiL is a specialist), that punitive damages shouldn't be limited to $250k. Maybe something more like $2m.

244 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:59:42am

re: #232 realwest

Hi there dopps! That's why I said what I did in my #192 above. Some of us think Nancy Pelosi IS base.

Hi, sugar. I think she's just nuts. Hope you're doing well. I saw your post about your shiny new dental work.

245 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:00:00am

re: #233 midwestgak

Right. I was fortunate that I was warmly welcomed and encouraged when I first registered here, not ignored at all. The rest is history.

Come on lurkers. It's a lot of fun. We don't bite, well most of us.

We even accepted gak!

246 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:00:32am

re: #234 formercorpsman

Sorry for all of the incoherent posts, I have been doing that quite a bit as of late.

247 jamgarr  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:00:37am

re: #192 realwest

Howdy RW. Hope today finds you enjoying life.

248 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:01:02am

re: #243 Ward Cleaver

No, I don't think it does. I just think that if a doctor royally screws up (and I like doctors, BTW - my BiL is a specialist), that punitive damages shouldn't be limited to $250k. Maybe something more like $2m.

You don't get punitive damage awards in med mal cases. Punitive damages are for conduct bordering on intentional, if not intentional. intentional torts are not covered by insurance and the doctor would be more worried about the district attorney than a med mal claim.

249 paint-right  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:01:08am

re: #237 realwest

Nah, it'll just add another 50,000 or so to the unemployment rolls.
/

LOL

250 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:01:17am

re: #199 realwest

Oh that's right! I forgot mine, too! Which is good since 2 of them are for pain! Cool!

I'm lucky, I know.

I've was just busy all morning doing this and that and thought I'd tune in before lunch.

I'm sorry you're here for that reason, but I'm glad you're here otherwise!

251 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:01:46am

re: #245 redstateredneck

We even accepted gak!

hahahaha.

252 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:01:52am

re: #231 albusteve

what does she have on those guys?...it's political suicide for her

What she has on those guys is DNC money for their reelection campaigns and a promise to not run anyone against them in the primary.

Very big stick.

253 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:01:54am
I've was

Nice.

254 samsgran1948  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:03:30am

re: #9 MandyManners

Oh, wow. The Cambridge PD is taking it to FCBBHO.

I admit: I'm ignorant. What does FCBBHO stand for? Thanks in advance for enlightenment.

255 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:04:19am

re: #205 subsailor68

Hi albusteve!! Guess the AMA should have remembered the old adage about the scorpion and the frog. "I couldn't help it - it's my nature."

I know.
I loved that.
WTH were they thinking?

Oh.
Wait.
No one reminded them to think, clearly.

256 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:04:44am

re: #234 formercorpsman
Excellent comment my friend. But I gotta tell ya the malpractice insurance companies bear a part of the blame for cost going up and up and up.
I have two good friends who were each sued once for malpractice, they told their insurance companies they DIDN'T commit malpractice and the Insurance company said "it doesn't matter, we'll settle and it won't cost you anything. Of course if you refuse to settle under the "fine print" of our policy we don't have to support you or pay any judgments".
Good thing for me that Oncologists don't have particularly high malpractice rates!

257 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:05:29am

re: #239 subsailor68

Hi J.D.!! Yep, I was intrigued by that paragraph as well. Imagine if we could avoid the cost of auto insurance until we had an accident, then were - by law - allowed to purchase the insurance, at no higher premium, have our car repaired, then simply drop the policy.

That very thing is driving health insurance carriers out of Washinton (WA).

258 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:08:09am


WARD!

re: #221 Ward Cleaver

We just have to be careful not to stop people from getting their day in court when they have a valid claim, or there is egregious misconduct or malpractice. Here in Texas we passed malpractice reform (as a constitutional amendment, no less) in 2003, and lawyers won't take many cases anymore, because non-economic damages are capped at $250k, regardless of the claim.

Then there must be a better way.

259 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:08:40am

re: #254 samsgran1948

Fucking Commie Bastard Barack Hussein Obama.

It's one of Mandy's many useful acronyms.

260 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:09:33am

re: #252 wahabicorridor
Yes it is a big stick. But if the Blue Dogs have been hearing from their constitutents (and I beleive they have, by the hundreds if not thousands) I suspect that they'll take their chances with a primary challenger.

261 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:09:54am

It's very odd. I'm estranged from the Rest of my family as only Libratarian, (small l), pointing out that Obama is shoving this nonsense down our throat without any form of consent and that the health care package is oing going to cause worse unemployment as small businesses are going to look at every worker asa potential liability. having been hunting 5 months, this doesn't make me happy, and I try explaining this, but I get the equivalent of 'la la la cant hear you' or 'shut up' from them.

So very tiresome

262 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:10:18am

Why did the AMA endorse O's health care plan?

Well, it's all about a little thing called SGR - sustainable growth rate.

As an enticement, they've been promising to fix permanently the SGR problem--that is, the annually scheduled adjustment to the "sustainable growth rate" in Medicare, which threaten increasingly large cuts in physician payments before Congress inevitably postpones changes for a year. Reformers, including President Obama, have already talked about doing this; apparently, the offer the House Dems are making is to follow through on this and to make it a good, solid fix.

263 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:10:29am

re: #233 midwestgak

We don't bite, well most of us.


Good idea... the disclaimer.

264 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:11:38am

re: #260 realwest

Yes it is a big stick. But if the Blue Dogs have been hearing from their constitutents (and I beleive they have, by the hundreds if not thousands) I suspect that they'll take their chances with a primary challenger.

Why do you think she wants the vote now before they go home?

Because if they go home w/o voting, they'll NEVER vote for the thing after getting shit in their districts.

265 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:11:51am

re: #234 formercorpsman

Amen to every single word!

266 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:12:07am

Well y'all I gotta go now - lunch time (and I'm not interested in Ron Paul) I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

267 ctrlL  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:12:57am

re: #262 wahabicorridor

Why did the AMA endorse O's health care plan?

Well, it's all about a little thing called SGR - sustainable growth rate.


Ahh, now it's clear ...

It is all about $$ MONEY $$ !

268 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:13:02am

re: #239 subsailor68

Hi J.D.!! Yep, I was intrigued by that paragraph as well. Imagine if we could avoid the cost of auto insurance until we had an accident, then were - by law - allowed to purchase the insurance, at no higher premium, have our car repaired, then simply drop the policy.

Why, it would indeed be a ~wonderful world~!

269 MikeAlv77  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:13:08am

re: #84 CIA Reject

How long before that cop gets the "Joe the Plumber" treatment?

I think this will be difficult. Was reading some details about hom on Foxnews.com and he seems like a boy scout. Picked to teach against racial profiling by the department and supported by black members of the force. This will be fun to watch. Where's the popcorn?

270 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:14:45am

Totten's next report is up... Totally threadworthy, Charles.

The Future of Iraq, Part IV

Getting an accurate reading of Iraqi public opinion is hard. It might be impossible. I've seen Iraqis cheer American soldiers, and I've seen some Iraqis hug American soldiers in Fallujah, Ramadi, and Baghdad. A few weeks ago, though, hundreds of thousands celebrated when Americans evacuated Iraqi cities as stipulated by the Status of Forces Agreement.

It's theoretically possible that what we've seen is not contradictory. Some Iraqis are pro-American. Others are not. Those who celebrated when Americans left may very well be, at least for the most part, different Iraqis than those I've seen who greeted Americans warmly.

Iraqi public opinion, though, is famously contradictory. And Iraqi public opinion as stated by Iraqis themselves is notoriously unreliable.

I had lunch with a western educated Iraqi a few days ago. He said the problem with Iraq is that it is torn between two destructive impulses: the tribal and the religious. Between those two forces, there is little room for democracy. The most optimistic thing he would say was that in 20 years or so, there might be a kind of a democracy in Iraq. More likely though, it would return to dictatorship, either tribal or religious.

271 subsailor68  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:15:45am

re: #268 J.D.

Why, it would indeed be a ~wonderful world~!

Why, I do believe you're right!!!

:-)

272 Gearhead  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:21:58am

I would love to know what Obama's inner monologue is like. Is he so ego-driven that he thinks pushing a deeply flaws health care plan, simply to be able to say he did it, can possibly help the country in the long-term. How can the flat-out deceptions he told the other night possibly constitute 'leadership' in his mind?

273 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:25:44am

re: #236 Son of the Black Dog

It could come to that if this trend to big intrusive government continues.

274 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:28:37am

re: #271 subsailor68

I love that song! Thanks!

275 Picayune  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:32:01am

re: #248 Creeping Eruption

You don't get punitive damage awards in med mal cases. Punitive damages are
for conduct bordering on intentional, if not intentional. intentional
torts are not covered by insurance and the doctor would be more worried
about the district attorney than a med mal claim.

For my wife that was very true as a GP in her Northern European Nation while under the governance of the USSR, years ago.

No damage awards were available for med mal errors. Instead, a serious error would put her first in front of a Medical Board investigative panel, and upon their recommendation, she would then proceed to the local DA for a criminal investigation that could lead to her MD license revocation, jail time, or both.

She has told me that this program really riveted MD attention to their charges in their Socialized medical system.

No, she never was called in by a panel, but her performance was regularly reviewed by the medical board. Yes, any and all patient complaints were reviewed by the local medical board. The lawyers never got into the equation, and the error prone Docs were drummed out.

The MD hours were very long, and the pay was low! But the hospital beds served only those that truly merited that level of care. Like EMTs here, she rolled in an ambulance with a driver and a med student to interview the call-in at their home, work, or accident site. It was a very efficient system and free to the public, but the MDs were over worked.

(No, I am not in favor of socialized medicine, but we surly need to increase our system's efficiencies and rub out as much fraud as possible, which under Medicaid and Medicare is way out of site.)

Self governance by the MDs with DA over site can work, but I am not sure the AMA is ready to go that far to end med mal insurance, and we all know what the ABA's position will be - the right to redress perceived damages received in a civil court of law cannot be denied. Flip a coin!

276 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:33:51am

re: #256 realwest

I agree, they do settle too much. My opinion, both sides get paid for their work, & neither has to lose if it goes to trial.

Having now had the luxury of being in the hotseat myself, as you know, everyday you are in that court room seeing your reputation being slaughtered, it makes you want to settle despite knowing your patient did everything they were supposed to, getting narcotics from different doctors, etc.

277 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:36:56am

re: #276 formercorpsman

everything they were not supposed to...

I've lost it. I'm batting 1000.

278 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:40:37am
279 Kobyashi Maru  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:49:06am

we spend about twice as much as any other country in the world on health care; we get mediocre results. Reform is has been debated since Harry Truman, I can't believe that there isn't a bi-partisan off the shelf bill ready. Shame on Congress!! They are all too much into "gotcha" than addressing this in a cost effective way. The "free market" isn't really the answer given the oligopolies in health care insurance, trial lawyers, big pharms, all of them squeal when their ox is being gored, what to do?

280 StillAMarine  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:49:21am

As usual, Dr. Krauthammer hits the nail squarely, solidly, and firmly right on the head.

281 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:06:25am

A letter From Grandpa to his Obama supporting grand daughter:
John is 63 years old and owns his own business. He is a life-long
Republican and sees his dream of retiring next year is now all but
gone.

With the stock market crashing and all the new taxes coming his way,
John knows he will be working for a good number more years.

John has a Granddaughter. Ashley is a recent college grad.

She drives a late model car, wears all the latest fashions, and also likes
going out and eating out a lot.. Ashley campaigned hard for Obama, and
after he won the election she made sure her Grandfather (and all other
Republican family members) received more than an earful on how the
world is going to be a much better place now that Obama won the
election.

Ashley recently found herself short of cash and cannot pay her bills,
again.

As she has done many other times in the past, she e-mailed her
Grandfather asking for some financial help. Here is his reply:

"Sweetheart, I am replying to your request for more money. Ashley, you
know I love you dearly and am sympathetic to your financial plight.
Unfortunately, times have changed. With the election of President
Obama, your Grandmother and I have had to set forth a bold new
economic plan of our own...the 'Ashley Economic Plan'. Let me
explain. Your grandmother and I are highly productive, wage-earning
tax payers. As you know, we have lived a comfortable life and in
return have forgone many things like fancy vacations, luxury cars,
etc. We have worked hard and were looking forward to retiring
soon. But this plan has changed. Your president is significantly
raising our personal and business taxes.

He says it is so he can give our hard earned money to other people. Do
you know what this means, Ashley? It means less income for us. Less
income means we must cut back on many business and personal
expenditures.

One example is, we were forced to let go of our receptionist today.
You know her. She always gave you candy when you visited my office.
Did you know she worked for us for the past 18 years? I can't afford
her anymore.

That is a taste of the business side. Some personal economic affects of
Obama's new taxation policies include none other than you.

You know very well that over the years your grandmother and I have
given you thousands of dollars in cash, tuition assistance, food,
housing, clothing, gifts, etc., etc. By your vote, you have chosen
another family over ours for help. Judging from your Email requesting
more money, I recommend you call[no phone numbers allowed]. That is the direct
telephone number for the White House. You yourself repeatedly told me
I was foolish to vote Republican. You said Mr. Obama is going to be
the people's president and is going to help every American live a better life.

Based upon everything you have told me and things we heard from him as
he campaigned, I am sure Mr. Obama will be happy to send a check or transfer money into your checking account.

Have him call me for the transaction and account numbers, which by now
I know by heart.

Perhaps you now can understand what I have been saying for all my
life: those who vote for the president should consider what the impact
of an election will be on the nation as a whole, and not just be
concerned with what they can get for themselves (welfare, etc.). What
Obama voters don't seem to realize is all of the "government's" money
he is 'redistributing' to illegal aliens and non-taxpaying Americans
(deemed "less fortunate") comes from tax money collected from income
tax-paying families. Remember how you told me, "Only the richest of
the rich will be affected"? Guess what, honey? Because of our business, your Grandmother and I are now considered to be the richest of the rich. On paper, it might look that way. But in the real world, we are far from it.

continued...

282 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:06:53am
...
But, as you said while campaigning for Obama, some people will have to
carry more of the burden so all of America can prosper. You understand
what that means, right? It means that raising taxes on productive
people results in them having less money. Less money for everything,
including granddaughters.

Congratulations on your choice for "change". For future reference, I
encourage you to attempt to add up the total value of the gifts and
money you've received from us over the years, and compare it to what
you expect to get over the next four years from Mr. Obama.

Remember, we love you dearly... but from now on you'll need to call
the number referenced above when you need help.

Good luck, sweetheart.
Love, Grampa

283 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:09:27am

If Rahm, Nancy and Obama push Nationalized Government Controlled Health Care through - it will be the democrat's legacy. It will be their economic disaster.

284 Chukardog  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:17:32am
you know, even if you were to think the photo wasn't racist, there's no denying that it was mind-bogglingly stupid. Any point that the author hoped to make--no matter how valid--was utterly lost. The bozo did more damage to his own cause than he might imagine. So, even if something does not strike you as racist, have a care and think how it might strike others and--more importantly--will this advance or harm the cause you advancing. Your message can get easily lost in the fog of stupidity.

When people are crying "racism" I always try to put the shoe on the other foot. What if the President were white and of Scottish decent, would we be crying racism if he were photoshopped wearing a kilt and holding a Sabre? Or dressed up like an extra in Braveheart? I think the Photo was in poor taste, but racist?

285 chedgeman  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:24:13am

re: #9 MandyManners

Memo to President: Your chickens are chickens are coming home to roost.

286 chedgeman  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:25:34am

re: #285 chedgeman

Memo to President: Your chickens are coming home to roost.

Oops.

287 Empire1  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:25:55am

re: #181 realwest

25,000 REGISTERED USERS?! Holy smokes, I never knew that!
I wonder how come so many of them don't bother to post any comments or supply any links? I mean, otherwise what's the point of registering?
Ah, those are rhetorical Charles, no answer required!

Real -- My guess at an answer to your question is that I bet a lot are like me. I registered so I could comment on threads that intriqued me, and I do so. The problem is that by the time I get to such a thread, in good part because I'm East Coast and Chrales in West, everything I want to say has already been said, and in many cases better than I would have. (I bet the same thing applies here!)

Also, I'm on dial-up, and I fall so far behind on threads a lot of the time that there's no point in trying to carry on a conversation with huge numbers of comments in between.

At least I can upding folks since that feature was implemented! (I almost never downding, since my explanation of why would probably never be seen.)

288 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:28:34am

Money quote: (one of many)

Obama is quite prepared to sign anything as long as it is titled "health-care reform."

289 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:30:17am
This is not about politics? Then why is it, to take but the most egregious example, that in this grand health-care debate we hear not a word about one of the worst sources of waste in American medicine: the insane cost and arbitrary rewards of our malpractice system?

When a neurosurgeon pays $200,000 a year for malpractice insurance before he even turns on the light in his office or hires his first nurse, who do you think pays? Patients, in higher doctor fees to cover the insurance.

And with jackpot justice that awards one claimant zillions while others get nothing -- and one-third of everything goes to the lawyers -- where do you think that money comes from? The insurance companies, which then pass it on to you in higher premiums.

But the greatest waste is the hidden cost of defensive medicine: tests and procedures that doctors order for no good reason other than to protect themselves from lawsuits. Every doctor knows, as I did when I practiced years ago, how much unnecessary medical cost is incurred with an eye not on medicine but on the law.

Tort reform would yield tens of billions in savings. Yet you cannot find it in the Democratic bills.

290 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:31:28am
Tort reform would yield tens of billions in savings. Yet you cannot find it in the Democratic bills. And Obama breathed not a word about it in the full hour of his health-care news conference. Why? No mystery. The Democrats are parasitically dependent on huge donations from trial lawyers.

Didn't Obama promise a new politics that puts people over special interests? Sure. And now he promises expanded, portable, secure, higher-quality medical care -- at lower cost! The only thing he hasn't promised is to extirpate evil from the human heart. That legislation will be introduced next week.

bam.

291 Empire1  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:38:30am

Oh, yes -- or another thread has popped up that I didn't spot, and I've been essentially posting to myself while reading!

292 Joan Not of Arc  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:18:59pm
It's all about him. Health care is his signature reform. And he knows that if he produces nothing, he forfeits the mystique that both propelled him to the presidency and has sustained him through a difficult first six months. Which is why Obama's red lines are constantly shifting. Universal coverage? Maybe not. No middle-class tax hit? Well, perhaps, but only if they don't "primarily" bear the burden. Because it's about him, Obama is quite prepared to sign anything as long as it is titled "health-care reform."

And this is why I love Charles Krauthammer.

293 SevoGuy  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:58:34pm

WHY ARE ALL THE SMART PEOPLE ALWAYS NAMED CHARLES?

294 sngnsgt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:50:23pm

Support for Barry-care is dropping like a lead baloon.


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