Barack Obama is holding a press conference on his outrageous characterization of the Cambridge police as “stupid.” Here’s a thread to discuss, as he actually claims that this should be a “teachable moment.”
Not for him, of course. For everyone else.
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VioletTiger Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:40:09am |
Teachable moment? Is BHO listening to Rush?
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:40:32am |
I should never have called them stupid. I should have called them stupid racists!
I have learned my lesson.
-BHO
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mbruce Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:40:38am |
Yup, people are learning that the king is nekkid
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:40:48am |
I caught it at the end when I think he was talking about talking to Crowly and the press camping on the cop’s lawn. FCCBHO said something about “my lawn is bigger than your lawn”. Gibbs is on now.
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lifeofthemind Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:40:48am |
The Audacity of Hope = The Arrogance of Spin
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:41:19am |
Obama will never apologize publicly, ever. It would undercut the infallibility doctrine that he depends on.
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Gus Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:41:44am |
Apparently Obama spoke with Sgt. Crowley over the phone for 5 minutes.
Crowley suggested having a beer at the White House with all three: Obama, Crowley, and Gates.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:41:49am |
Gibbs said something about FCBBHO and Crowly getting together to have a beer.
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Anthony (Los Angeles) Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:41:55am |
Charles, what’s that you often say about holes and digging? Someone should remind our President-Messiah.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:41:56am |
re: #6 mbruce
Yup, people are learning that the king is nekkid
What people. My girlfriend has been monitoring liberal blogs and message boards, and Barry is getting a pass on this.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:42:01am |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
Did they just say something about beer?
Apparently Obama is gonna have a 5-minute beer with the guy?
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simonml Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:42:17am |
“I’m sorry you guys are upset.” -BHO
My dad would slap me when I gave a bogus apology like that
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Kragar Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:42:25am |
Just remember that the police can’t be trusted really. After all they backed McCain.
Earlier in the day, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs dismissed a suggestion that the backlash from police groups could be distressing to the White House, given that Obama has enjoyed a positive relationship with the law enforcement community.
“I think the Fraternal Order of Police endorsed McCain,” Gibbs fired back, referring to Obama’s Republican opponent in the 2008 election. “If I’m not mistaken.”
When a reporter pointed out that Obama had won the support of the Policemen’s Benevolent Association, Gibbs conceded: “We got some.”
Today’s lesson: If you’re not with Obama, you’re against him.
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KenJen Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:42:29am |
I’m listening to him on the radio. I’m picturing him wearing a large dunce cap. Is he?
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:42:32am |
That was a pathetic attempt to stop the buzz. I think he just dug deeper for the non-apology.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:42:43am |
re: #18 reine.de.tout
Apparently Obama is gonna have a 5-minute beer with the guy?
I just cannot imagine FCCBHO chug-a-lugging a brew.
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VioletTiger Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:43:02am |
Did anybody catch what he said? I can’t get any video here.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:43:04am |
re: #18 reine.de.tout
Apparently Obama is gonna have a 5-minute beer with the guy?
Interesting. Obama did stick his foot in his mouth on this one but I can’t argue with his pro-beer agenda.
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:43:14am |
re: #14 buzzsawmonkey
I’m beginning to suspect that Obama deliberately chose an incompetent as his spokesman is because it makes it easier for him to deny whatever “His” position was yesterday.
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simonml Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:43:18am |
re: #24 MandyManners
I just cannot imagine FCCBHO chug-a-lugging a brew.
He drank half a beer during the campaign once. What a waste
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Wasta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:43:56am |
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said, “I think he would regret… if he realized that… how much of a overall distraction and obsession it would be, I think he would probably regret distracting you guys with obsessions.”
[Link: online.wsj.com…]
I love how the WH spokesman phrased it…NOT
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Kragar Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:43:59am |
re: #20 simonml
“I’m sorry you guys are upset.” -BHO
My dad would slap me when I gave a bogus apology like that
Thats a chickenshit answer from a chickenshit politician.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:44:13am |
When your head hurts and there’s a big welt on your forehead, that’s a “teachable moment” not to walk into the sliding glass door again, Mr. President.
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SecondComing Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:44:29am |
re: #11 Lincolntf
Obama will never apologize publicly, ever. It would undercut the infallibility doctrine that he depends on.
He will apologize ad nauseum for America, but will not apologize for himself.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:44:36am |
Beer; the cause and solution to all of life’s problems.
/Homer
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:44:43am |
re: #30 simonml
He drank half a beer during the campaign once. What a waste
He got wasted on half a beer?
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Russkilitlover Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:44:50am |
Teachable moment? Yeah, you’ve been schooled, all right!
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vxbush Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:44:53am |
re: #31 Wasta
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said, “I think he would regret… if he realized that… how much of a overall distraction and obsession it would be, I think he would probably regret distracting you guys with obsessions.”
[Link: online.wsj.com…]
I love how the WH spokesman phrased it…NOT
I miss Tony Snow.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:45:07am |
Gibbs is just incompetent. He doesn’t seem able to control the group at all.
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That's Mr. President to you Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:45:11am |
And with my “teachable moment” comment, you are now free to call me by a name other than “Mr. Presdent”.
“First Asshole” also works.
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:45:11am |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
Did they just say something about beer?
He was saying something about having Gates over for a beer? That’s what I thought I heard, anyway.
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SecondComing Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:45:26am |
re: #17 Walter L. Newton
What people. My girlfriend has been monitoring liberal blogs and message boards, and Barry is getting a pass on this.
Duh, Of course.
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simonml Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:45:43am |
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Russkilitlover Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:45:50am |
re: #24 MandyManners
I just cannot imagine FCCBHO chug-a-lugging a brew.
Lighting up a joint, on the other hand…
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Baier Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:46:00am |
Please, in the future, just assume the B-man was right and we have to be learned. From now on don’t listen to what he says, only listen to what you’re supposed to hear. We couldn’t tell the difference before, but we were done learned. ///
What an a$$h013
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Sharmuta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:46:01am |
Jurors convict evangelist on 10 sex-abuse counts
Tony Alamo, a one-time street preacher who built a multimillion-dollar ministry and became an outfitter of the stars, was convicted Friday of taking girls as young as 9 across state lines for sex.
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:46:04am |
Sure, this will be a teachable moment… a teachable moment of what not to do.
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Desert Dog Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:46:19am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:46:34am |
re: #35 Killgore Trout
Beer; the cause and solution to all of life’s problems.
/Homer
Simpson or that Odyssey guy?
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Kronocide Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:46:38am |
I’d be really happy if cops showed up to my house if I was trying to pry my door open.
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LGoPs Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:46:44am |
The teachable moment for us ought to be “How the hell did we elect this guy?”
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Ringo the Gringo Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:47:14am |
I think we’ve been having a “teachable moment” here at LGF, that’s for sure.
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That's Mr. President to you Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:47:17am |
re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Just remember that the police can’t be trusted really. After all they backed McCain.
Today’s lesson: If you’re not with Obama, you’re against him.
Placing all unilateralist and hegemonic overtones that such a statement implies aside for the moment, you are correct.
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J.D. Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:47:31am |
The teachable moment for us ought to be “How the hell didwethey elect this guy?”
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Kragar Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:47:32am |
The real teachable moment, when Obama said he didn’t know all the facts and then went ahead and said the police were wrong anyways.
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Nightlight Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:47:54am |
Gibbs was asked if Obama apologized. His answer -
I think he uh understood .as he told you all his words contributed to this being ratcheted up and he wanted to make sure uh, to let him know that, that word choice was not in hindsight the best choice.
Did you catch that? That was verbatim.
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Sharmuta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:47:55am |
Palin’s standing slips in Post-ABC News poll
A majority of Americans take a negative view of outgoing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, and although she remains popular among Republicans, her image within the party has slipped, according to a new poll.
Palin’s favorabilty rating has dipped to its lowest level in the Washington Post-ABC News since she came to national attention last summer as GOP presidential nominee John McCain’s running mate. Fifty-three percent of those polled view her negatively and 40 percent have a favorable impression.
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Cathypop Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:47:56am |
re: #52 LGoPs
The teachable moment for us ought to be “How the hell did we elect this guy?”
What do you mean by we?
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lifeofthemind Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:47:57am |
More bad news
U.S. to transfer $200 million to Palestinians
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Desert Dog Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:48:06am |
re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The real teachable moment, when Obama said he didn’t know all the facts and then went ahead and said the police were wrong anyways.
Yes, HE is the one being taught
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Russkilitlover Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:48:17am |
re: #17 Walter L. Newton
What people. My girlfriend has been monitoring liberal blogs and message boards, and Barry is getting a pass on this.
I think what he has damaged is his support from the moderates who voted for him, not the fanatics. To what extent is that damage? I guess we’ll see.
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J.D. Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:48:33am |
re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The real teachable moment, when Obama said he didn’t know all the facts and then went ahead and said the police were wrong anyways.
Wait!
You don’t think he had his mind made up ahead of time, do you?
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OldLineTexan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:48:33am |
re: #27 Killgore Trout
Interesting. Obama did stick his foot in his mouth on this one but I can’t argue with his pro-beer agenda.
I too am beer-partisan.
/
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:48:38am |
re: #34 SecondComing
He will apologize ad nauseum for America, but will not apologize for himself.
This was always my problem with Clinton’s apologies.
Guilt doesn’t slide around. It sticks to the person it belongs to. It takes no pain, no guts, to apologize for what you didn’t do, and you get a nice warm feeling from being a “good person.”
Then, when it’s your turn, you shuck off your own guilt like a leopard-print snuggie.
Doesn’t work for me. It’s still your own guilt.
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Wasta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:48:44am |
re: #61 lifeofthemind
More bad news
U.S. to transfer $200 million to Palestinians
My tax dollars at work!
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subsailor68 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:48:49am |
The five second press conference:
President Obama walks to the podium.
“Officer Crowley, I’m sorry.”
President Obama walks away from the podium.
It’s not hard Mr. President. It really isn’t.
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researchok Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:48:51am |
Obama’s remarks only highlighted a singular truth- that the only one who behaved stupidly was the President himself. His words today would have far more weight had he not poisoned the waters in matters in which he admitted he having incomplete knowledge.
I can only hope he doesn’t respond to a foreign policy crisis in the same way he responded to the matter in Cambridge.
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lifeofthemind Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:49:09am |
Teachable point, the POTUS blathers like an overpromoted adjunct lecturer and people might die.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:49:11am |
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VioletTiger Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:49:17am |
re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Just remember that the police can’t be trusted really. After all they backed McCain.
Today’s lesson: If you’re not with Obama, you’re against him.
So he was saying that he wasn’t worried because they didn’t vote for him?
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That's Mr. President to you Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:49:23am |
re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The real teachable moment, when Obama said he didn’t know all the facts and then went ahead and said the police were wrong anyways.
I don’t need to know all of the facts.
I know what is best for you.
That is what being a progressive is all about - knowing what is best for others while exempting yourself from any standards you may impose.
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pink freud Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:49:27am |
Someone needs to teach 0Bama how to say “I’m sorry”.
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iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:49:46am |
re: #54 Ringo the Gringo
I think we’ve been having a “teachable moment” here at LGF, that’s for sure.
Maybe so. I know some people got schooled for sure.
/deserved it.
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Flyovercountry Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:49:52am |
My prediction last November that Obama would be a neutered President by 10 months into his term is way ahead of schedule. I had no idea that he would aid his own self destruction. This bufoon is an embarassment. He handled the Samali Pirate thing O.K. Outside of that, it is hard to find a positive thing he’s done. How is that Hopety Changety Hope thing working so far. To add some more good economic news for 6 months hence, the national min wage went up today. This time the Democrats finally did it to themselves. The effects of this will hit just in time for the 2010 mid term elections.
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Randall Gross Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:49:56am |
This is just more chum in the waters to keep us off the trail of the white whale of a health bill.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:49:56am |
Hey! Obama should hire Bill Cosby as his press secretary.
Downside: His press secretary would be more popular than he would be.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:49:57am |
re: #41 That’s Mr. President to you
And with my “teachable moment” comment, you are now free to call me by a name other than “Mr. Presdent”.
“First Asshole” also works.
You’ll always be FCBBHO to me.
How ya’ doing, ya’f fucking Commie bastard? What’s it feel like to step on your wahoo?
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LGoPs Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:50:08am |
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elevenbravo1969 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:50:18am |
I need to hear him say, “I made a mistake by commenting at all on this case. I was wrong to have said that the police ‘acted stupidly’. I sincerely apologize to Sgt. Crowley, to the Cambridge PD and to the American people. This has been a teachable moment for me.
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theheat Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:50:33am |
re: #47 Sharmuta
I wonder how well he can cry on television. Like, on demand kind of crying.
Glycerin tears are just so… phony.
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Sharmuta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:50:40am |
re: #78 Thanos
This is just more chum in the waters to keep us off the trail of the white whale of a health bill.
You get an F in bird watching too.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:50:44am |
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Kragar Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:51:07am |
re: #63 Russkilitlover
I think what he has damaged is his support from the moderates who voted for him, not the fanatics. To what extent is that damage? I guess we’ll see.
Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance. Today marks the first time his overall approval rating has ever fallen below 50% among Likely Voters nationwide. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove.
Eighty-three percent (83%) of Democrats continue to approve of the President’s performance while 80% of Republicans disapprove. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 37% offer a positive assessment. The President earns approval from 51% of women and 47% of men.
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Silvergirl Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:51:12am |
Obama said he contributed to ratcheting up the controversy. Contributed? Understatement.
He said he should have calibrated or recalibrated (something like that) his comments on the arrest.
He said the police and Gates probably overreacted.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:51:12am |
re: #45 Russkilitlover
Lighting up a joint, on the other hand…
I cannot imagine him doing a shot-gun.
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iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:51:22am |
re: #65 OldLineTexan
I too am beer-partisan.
/
I think this needs to be a plank in the forthcoming Joint venture party platform.
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WinterCat Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:51:46am |
I have to say my first impression is that Obama did the right thing by speaking about this a few minutes ago. I hope the teachable moment will include the fact that people of all colors and backgrounds are subject to prejudice (as we have seen in recent days).
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:51:56am |
re: #78 Thanos
This is just more chum in the waters to keep us off the trail of the white whale of a health bill.
It’s not going to work.
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Kragar Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:52:02am |
re: #75 pink freud
Someone needs to teach 0Bama how to say “I’m sorry”.
Pride comes before the fall.
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VioletTiger Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:52:05am |
re: #83 elevenbravo1969
I need to hear him say, “I made a mistake by commenting at all on this case. I was wrong to have said that the police ‘acted stupidly’. I sincerely apologize to Sgt. Crowley, to the Cambridge PD and to the American people. This has been a teachable moment for me.
Some people are pretty much incapable of saying ‘I’m sorry I was wrong.’
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:52:10am |
I would still like to hear what, exactly, he thinks Office Crowley did wrong.
He responded to a call of an attempted home break-in. He found a man in the residence. He asked the man for identification that he was the owner, and he asked to him to step outside to do it, for his safety and for the man’s safety.
What did he do wrong here?
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lifeofthemind Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:52:11am |
re: #77 Flyovercountry
He handled the Samali Pirate thing O.K. Outside of that, it is hard to find a positive thing he’s done.
Disagree, he tried to stop the rescue and the second time the On Scene Commander took action that the White House could not refute after the fact, very bad on BHO’s part.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:52:13am |
re: #90 iceweasel
I think this needs to be a plank in the forthcoming Joint venture party platform.
The weed kids have their own party already.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:52:31am |
re: #88 Silvergirl
Obama said he contributed to ratcheting up the controversy. Contributed? Understatement.
He said he should have calibrated or recalibrated (something like that) his comments on the arrest.
He said the police and Gates probably overreacted.
He said the police AND Gates overreacted?
In other words, same old same old. He hasn’t changed a thing.
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theheat Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:52:37am |
re: #91 WinterCat
It’s called damage control. Nothing more.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:52:41am |
re: #92 Dianna
It’s not going to work.
I can multitask, so I can get a good grade in bird-watching if I want to.
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simonml Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:53:09am |
re: #95 EmmmieG
I would still like to hear what, exactly, he thinks Office Crowley did wrong.
He responded to a call of an attempted home break-in. He found a man in the residence. He asked the man for identification that he was the owner, and he asked to him to step outside to do it, for his safety and for the man’s safety.
What did he do wrong here?
He was born white. What a jerk!
/
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VioletTiger Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:53:14am |
re: #75 pink freud
Someone needs to teach 0Bama how to say “I’m sorry”.
Such a simple thing, but a true apology goes a long way IMO.
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That's Mr. President to you Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:53:22am |
re: #83 elevenbravo1969
I need to hear him say, “I made a mistake by commenting at all on this case. I was wrong to have said that the police ‘acted stupidly’. I sincerely apologize to Sgt. Crowley, to the Cambridge PD and to the American people. This has been a teachable moment for me.
That brings up a good point - George W. Bush was never able to admit that he was wrong. Progressives would always point that out and that is part of why I got elected.
I have no problem admiting that I am wrong. Thing is, however, that I have never been wrong.
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:53:26am |
re: #91 WinterCat
I have to say my first impression is that Obama did the right thing by speaking about this a few minutes ago. I hope the teachable moment will include the fact that people of all colors and backgrounds are subject to prejudice (as we have seen in recent days).
/Now lets all get together in a friendship circle, hold hands, and sing: “Kum by ya my Lord …”
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:53:31am |
re: #70 researchok
Obama’s remarks only highlighted a singular truth- that the only one who behaved stupidly was the President himself. His words today would have far more weight had he not poisoned the waters in matters in which he admitted he having incomplete knowledge.
I can only hope he doesn’t respond to a foreign policy crisis in the same way he responded to the matter in Cambridge.
I still think that was part of the reason he screwed up on the Iran issue earlier this summer.
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Russkilitlover Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:53:37am |
re: #70 researchok
I can only hope he doesn’t respond to a foreign policy crisis in the same way he responded to the matter in Cambridge.
He already did - threw is support behind the Honduran president who was unconstitutionally trying to retain power.
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iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:53:40am |
re: #97 OldLineTexan
The weed kids have their own party already.
No no— others here are starting a party that highlights fiscal conservatism and personal liberty, and wants to legalise pot.
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jcm Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:53:49am |
Arresting Officer To Speak Out About Gates Incident
The department may release Crowley’s radio transmission, which the commissioner said is key to the case and support the sergeant’s decision.
I’ve heard one report that Sgt. Crowley as the incident spun up, and Gates started yelling racism, Crowley switched to continuous transmission so much of the incident was recorded.
*Obama’s back pedal may be related, word came up from the PD, and the recording doesn’t support Gates.*
*speculation on my part*
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lifeofthemind Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:53:53am |
Did he really say beer? Very condescending. The British used to invite union leaders into Downing Street for Beer and Sandwiches to resolve a strike.
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:54:07am |
As a Philadelphia police detective, Obama’s comment angered and insulted me. If you do not know the facts of the case and you were not there, you should keep your opinions to yourself. Especially when the one arrested is a close, personal friend!
It’s bad enough a lot of the public hates us, but when the POTUS starts piling on, it becomes ridiculous.
It would appear that Gates was afforded every courtesy due an arrestee at the time. Actually, he received more courtesy than was warranted here. The sergeant cuffed Gates in front, so as to not exacerbate his injury! And what does he get for it? Scorn and hatred from CNN, MSNBC, the Sharptons of the world, and Barack Obama!
Sorry for the rant, but this case really grinds my gears.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:54:19am |
re: #27 Killgore Trout
Interesting. Obama did stick his foot in his mouth on this one but I can’t argue with his pro-beer agenda.
BEER IS NOT STUPID!
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:54:19am |
re: #101 OldLineTexan
I can multitask, so I can get a good grade in bird-watching if I want to.
Right!
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MrSilverDragon Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:54:30am |
Another short day for me, folks. I wish everyone to have the opposite of the craptastic week I’ve had. Have a wonderful weekend, be safe.
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Russkilitlover Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:54:30am |
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VioletTiger Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:54:31am |
Would this case even be on the radar screen if the person in question did not know Obama?
I can’t see that it would.
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Kragar Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:54:47am |
Off to drop the kids off with the Grandparents, then its just the wife and me alone together for a week.
The poor poor woman. Later lizards.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:55:02am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:55:03am |
I may be able to understand Gibbs and what happened to him. There has been quite a number of home robberies in my area around the Secret Mountain Lair. And every one of those robberies was pulled off by a midget.
Now, some of you may not know this, but I am a midget. Yea, I know, if you look at my avatar, I look like an average sized male, but really, it’s a clever perspective shot, and I am holding the parrot further out in front of me than it appears to be.
Well, when I came home last night, I dropped my keys in the high grass that’s around my front porch (well, if you are a midget, it’s appear high to me), and I was fumbling for my keys, when a sheriff’s department SUV (yes they use SUV’s up here in the hills) drove up and started to question me.
He reminded me of the recent midget robberies and started questioning me about where I have been spending the last few days? I told him that Cirque De Soleil was coming to town next week, and I was applying for some temporary work tightening screws underneath the seats (my height makes that easy work).
The next thing you know, he’s slamming me up against the garbage can (it was taller than me), and telling me to stop fucking with him. I guess he doesn’t know anything about the employment opportunities for midgets.
I told him I was sure that the local robberies was due to a clever raccoon, not a midget, since all the midgets I know in the neighborhood have been attend the “very special people” convention in San Diego this week.
He was going to arrest me, but the cuffs kept slipping off and he didn’t have any of those plastic things.
I finally convinced him that I was not the midget he was looking for and he left. But it does show you that being a minority is a SMALL part of the problem.
///
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StillAMarine Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:55:10am |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:55:14am |
re: #112 Wyatt Earp
A few folks were hoping you’d weigh in on this.
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jcm Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:55:14am |
re: #40 reine.de.tout
Gibbs is just incompetent. He doesn’t seem able to control the group at all.
Gibbs is fun to watch…
In a train wreak sort of way.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:55:22am |
re: #98 Iron Fist
It is a good song to have in your head. I played guitar for a while. I could play Crazy Train pretty much note for note, but Mr. Crowley was beyond my ability. It is really an awesome song, from the guitar standpoint, and the lyrics and vocals match it. One of the classic heavy metal songs :-)
It creeps me out due to the subject.
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lifeofthemind Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:55:38am |
Every thug and low life now knows that it is open season on Gates’ house. The police won’t dare respond aggressively to a reported break in.
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simonml Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:55:48am |
re: #112 Wyatt Earp
It’s bad enough a lot of the public hates us, but when the POTUS starts piling on, it becomes ridiculous.
I don’t hate cops.
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:55:50am |
I wonder if Obama’s newest back-pedaling was an attempt to preempt the release of the real-time recordings of the event.
By most accounts, the policeman had his mic button depressed while Gates was getting himself arrested, which would mean that the facts from that day would be available to the public were the tapes released.
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SecondComing Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:55:57am |
re: #47 Sharmuta
Jurors convict evangelist on 10 sex-abuse counts
Tony Alamo, a one-time street preacher who built a multimillion-dollar ministry and became an outfitter of the stars, was convicted Friday of taking girls as young as 9 across state lines for sex.
“”I’m just another one of the prophets that went to jail for the Gospel,” Alamo called to reporters afterward as he was escorted to a waiting U.S. marshal’s vehicle.”
Good Lord! (pun intended)
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subsailor68 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:56:00am |
re: #112 Wyatt Earp
As a Philadelphia police detective, Obama’s comment angered and insulted me. If you do not know the facts of the case and you were not there, you should keep your opinions to yourself. Especially when the one arrested is a close, personal friend!
It’s bad enough a lot of the public hates us, but when the POTUS starts piling on, it becomes ridiculous.
It would appear that Gates was afforded every courtesy due an arrestee at the time. Actually, he received more courtesy than was warranted here. The sergeant cuffed Gates in front, so as to not exacerbate his injury! And what does he get for it? Scorn and hatred from CNN, MSNBC, the Sharptons of the world, and Barack Obama!
Hi Wyatt. Just for the record, my friend, I’m damn glad you’re out there, and thanks for doing it!
Sorry for the rant, but this case really grinds my gears.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:56:02am |
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zombie Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:56:20am |
Barack Obama is holding a press conference on his outrageous characterization of the Cambridge police as “stupid.” Here’s a thread to discuss, as he actually claims that this should be a “teachable moment.”
It’s a “teachable moment” alright. I certainly just learned something. I learned that Barack Obama is obsessed over racial politics and that all his bombast about being a post-racial president was nothing more than a load of horse manure.
Man tries to break into house —> Cop needs to investigate.
Man refuses to identify himself and instead hurls abuse — > Cop needs to arrest.
Period. All the rest is hogwash. This has nothing to do with race outside the minds of Gates and Obama.
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:56:23am |
re: #127 simonml
I don’t hate cops.
That’s why I didn’t write “all” of the public. But a lot of Philadelphians hate our guts.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:56:27am |
re: #110 jcm
Arresting Officer To Speak Out About Gates Incident
I’ve heard one report that Sgt. Crowley as the incident spun up, and Gates started yelling racism, Crowley switched to continuous transmission so much of the incident was recorded.*Obama’s back pedal may be related, word came up from the PD, and the recording doesn’t support Gates.*
*speculation on my part*
When will he throw Gates under the bus?
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theheat Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:56:36am |
re: #126 lifeofthemind
Maybe they’ll make one of those Map to The Stars maps to his home.
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:56:45am |
re: #115 MrSilverDragon
Another short day for me, folks. I wish everyone to have the opposite of the craptastic week I’ve had. Have a wonderful weekend, be safe.
thank you, and you have a lovely weekend, too.
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doppelganglander Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:56:46am |
re: #87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I’d be interested to see the internals on that one. Several of the major pollsters oversample Democrats by a wide margin. It could be even worse for him than it looks.
Among those not affiliated with either major party, 37% offer a positive assessment.
You expect 80% of Dems to love him and 80% of Republicans to hate him. When you’ve got that low an approval rating from independents, you are toast.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:56:49am |
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:57:04am |
re: #121 Walter L. Newton
I updinged at the mention of midget crimes. Going back to actually read the post.
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subsailor68 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:57:19am |
re: #112 Wyatt Earp
Oops, my reply got stuck in the middle:
Hi Wyatt. Just for the record, my friend, I’m damn glad you’re out there, and thanks for doing it!
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Sharmuta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:57:26am |
re: #117 VioletTiger
Would this case even be on the radar screen if the person in question did not know Obama?
I can’t see that it would.
Would this be on the radar if it hadn’t come up in the press conference?
None of us would care about this incident if the subject had never come up.
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:57:30am |
re: #123 reine.de.tout
A few folks were hoping you’d weigh in on this.
Thanks, Reine. Every detective working today - there were 8 of us, 6 white, and 2 black - all agreed that this entire event was ridiculous. Even more ridiculous was the POTUS commenting upon something he knows nothing about.
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JustABill Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:57:45am |
It could be a teachable moment. The lesson to be learned for Obama should be, “If you don’t know the facts, STFU.”
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Silvergirl Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:57:50am |
What I posted from what I heard now in print at TheHill.
Obama phoned Officer Crowley.
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Noam Sayin' Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:57:52am |
Threads like these really make me wish I wasn’t posting from work.
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:57:55am |
re: #139 Lincolntf
I updinged at the mention of midget crimes. Going back to actually read the post.
Hey - Thats no tall tale. The problem could get bad in short order.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:57:56am |
re: #116 Russkilitlover
A who what?
It’s when one person inserts the lit end of the joint into her mouth and blows as if playing a trumpet while the other person gets right up next to the other end of the joint and quickly inhales the smoke that comes billowing out of the end.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:58:13am |
re: #129 SecondComing
“”I’m just another one of the prophets that went to jail for the Gospel,” Alamo called to reporters afterward as he was escorted to a waiting U.S. marshal’s vehicle.”
Good Lord! (pun intended)
Hey, Tony … get a millstone, baby … Jesus said so.
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:58:27am |
re: #132 zombie
Those are not the facts that O. is looking for.
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Baier Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:58:29am |
The phrase “not ready for prime time” keeps running through my head.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:58:32am |
Oh, dear me. I think I just walked into it.
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simonml Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:59:01am |
re: #133 Wyatt Earp
That’s why I didn’t write “all” of the public. But a lot of Philadelphians hate our guts.
I hate people who hate your guts. Thanks for keeping us safe!
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jamgarr Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:59:11am |
Hey, wadda ya know? I pen a parody and “pow” a thread appears for it!
Apologies to Jack Bruce
White Cop
I’m the white cop, with black prisoner, at the station
Black prof country, no gold necklace, tired rhetoric
Hold your horses, Dr. Moonbeam, in your dark lies
No light smiles, on your grieving, my resentment
Stick your disgrace where the sun never shines
Stick your disgrace where Al Sharpton runs for the phone
You said no cop could secure you at the station
Got your ticket, wrested dismiss, goodbye justice
I walked into such a sad time at the station
As you walked out, felt my ordeal just beginning
I’ll wait in the queue ‘til the sane come back
Lie is what you do where Al Sharpton runs for the phone
At the break-in you were shouting at the hard crowd
Consternation for some old wounds not forgotten
Fellow liers, couched in rhetoric, in your dark lies
Window dressing, goodbye justice, tired rhetoric
You sleep in disgrace with the race-baiting crowd
Lie in the dark where Al Sharpton runs for the phone
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:59:19am |
re: #126 lifeofthemind
Every thug and low life now knows that it is open season on Gates’ house. The police won’t dare respond aggressively to a reported break in.
Considering that his house had been broken into previously, I have to ask about what he thought the police ought to have done?
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:59:22am |
re: #67 EmmmieG
This was always my problem with Clinton’s apologies.
Guilt doesn’t slide around. It sticks to the person it belongs to. It takes no pain, no guts, to apologize for what you didn’t do, and you get a nice warm feeling from being a “good person.”
Then, when it’s your turn, you shuck off your own guilt like a leopard-print snuggie.
Doesn’t work for me. It’s still your own guilt.
EmmmieG: Did you have any problem with George W. Bush’s apologies?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:59:22am |
re: #133 Wyatt Earp
That’s why I didn’t write “all” of the public. But a lot of Philadelphians hate our guts.
Well … if I had a neighbor call the cops to report me breaking into my own house, I would be very very grateful to the neighbor who was watching closely, and to the cops who responded.
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WinterCat Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:59:28am |
re: #105 Creeping Eruption
/Now lets all get together in a friendship circle, hold hands, and sing: “Kum by ya my Lord …”
I am not the Kum by ya type. I just think that it was a good thing for him to speak on this. Yes, certainly it was damage control. But with the degree to which this issue has been escalated (by his own doing) some damage control was needed. I am not giving him a pass. I am saying the teachable moment has to include an acknowledgment that racism involves both black and whites and we all need to work to overcome it.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:59:29am |
My favorite part of the radio transmission (from an earlier thread) was when the officer mentioned that that was the first time he had ever given a handcuffed man his cane back.
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:59:32am |
re: #151 MandyManners
Oh, dear me. I think I just walked into it.
Well, scrape it off before you drag it all over the place.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:59:41am |
re: #142 Wyatt Earp
Thanks, Reine. Every detective working today - there were 8 of us, 6 white, and 2 black - all agreed that this entire event was ridiculous. Even more ridiculous was the POTUS commenting upon something he knows nothing about.
If he didn’t, it would be vewy, vewy quiet. We could hunt wabbits, it would be so quiet.
/eheheheheheheheheheh
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duck of peace Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:59:46am |
The Great Father Teacher has once again bestowed His wisdom upon us.
I guess its a teachable moment only because there isn’t handy to throw under the bus this time.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 24, 2009 11:59:54am |
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zombie Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:00:06pm |
re: #150 Baier
The phrase “not ready for prime time” keeps running through my head.
I’m not so sure — apparently “Colgate Presents: Racial Grievance Theater” is now on every night at 8pm.
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:00:28pm |
re: #154 jamgarr
Hey, wadda ya know? I pen a parody and “pow” a thread appears for it!
Apologies to Jack Bruce
White Cop
I’m the white cop, with black prisoner, at the station
Black prof country, no gold necklace, tired rhetoric
Hold your horses, Dr. Moonbeam, in your dark lies
No light smiles, on your grieving, my resentment
Stick your disgrace where the sun never shines
Stick your disgrace where Al Sharpton runs for the phoneYou said no cop could secure you at the station
Got your ticket, wrested dismiss, goodbye justice
I walked into such a sad time at the station
As you walked out, felt my ordeal just beginning
I’ll wait in the queue ‘til the sane come back
Lie is what you do where Al Sharpton runs for the phoneAt the break-in you were shouting at the hard crowd
Consternation for some old wounds not forgotten
Fellow liers, couched in rhetoric, in your dark lies
Window dressing, goodbye justice, tired rhetoric
You sleep in disgrace with the race-baiting crowd
Lie in the dark where Al Sharpton runs for the phone
LOL. I’d offer apologies to the rest of Cream as well though.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:00:35pm |
re: #156 ShanghaiEd
EmmmieG: Did you have any problem with George W. Bush’s apologies?
HAH! Trick question! According to Lefties, Booosh NEVER apologized!
| 167 |
Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:00:42pm |
re: #129 SecondComing
I’m shuddering. What a dreadful creature, and jail is exactly where he belongs.
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Russkilitlover Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:00:43pm |
re: #141 Sharmuta
None of us would care about this incident if the subject had never come up.
But it did. And it is being kept in the limelight by the bumbling of this administration. And it’s instructive…teachable, even.
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:01:09pm |
re: #140 subsailor68
Oops, my reply got stuck in the middle:
Hi Wyatt. Just for the record, my friend, I’m damn glad you’re out there, and thanks for doing it!
Thanks. I’m not perfect, and I have made my share of mistakes in 15 years, but when something like this gets out, the media tries to lump every police officer into one racist little group. I think that’s despicable.
In 15 years, I have had an African-American partner, A female partner, and two Latino partners. I would have surely laid down my life for any one of them, and they have been in my home for dinner dozens of times.
The thing to remember is that there are idiots and morons of every color and every profession. I believe that Gates expected the officers to kiss his rear end, and when they did their job in investigating the radio call, he became outraged. Petty, if you ask me.
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3 wood Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:01:16pm |
Putting aside the specifics of this case, can you imagine what a Putin or a dinnerjacket or the North Koreans must be thinking while watching our President step on his own crank like this?
My gosh.
If I was the Chinese I’d be dumping our treasuries right now.
| 171 |
lifeofthemind Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:01:21pm |
Hey Undead one, LTNSre: #164 zombie
I’m not so sure — apparently “Colgate Presents: Racial Grievance Theater” is now on every night at 8pm.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:01:48pm |
re: #152 buzzsawmonkey
I love your post in full, zombie, but I can’t imagine why the above was news to you.
an incident like this has just been waiting to happen
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Russkilitlover Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:01:50pm |
re: #147 MandyManners
It’s when one person inserts the lit end of the joint into her mouth and blows as if playing a trumpet while the other person gets right up next to the other end of the joint and quickly inhales the smoke that comes billowing out of the end.
I will bow to your wisdom and experience /;}
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MikeAlv77 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:02:05pm |
re: #80 MandyManners
You’ll always be FCBBHO to me.
How ya’ doing, ya’f fucking Commie bastard? What’s it feel like to step on your wahoo?
Mandy, you need to learn to express yourself… Holding back like this is bad for your health…
//
| 176 |
wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:02:31pm |
OT
I don’t know if this has been posted yet, but hubby sez he just got word that the Blue Dog Dems have told Pelosi to go piss up a rope. They’re done talking to her, they’re going home to talk to their constituents.
Pelosi ain’t gettin’ her vote.
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eschew_obfuscation Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:02:55pm |
re: #121 Walter L. Newton
I may be able to understand Gibbs and what happened to him. There has been quite a number of home robberies in my area around the Secret Mountain Lair. And every one of those robberies was pulled off by a midget.
Now, some of you may not know this, but I am a midget. Yea, I know, if you look at my avatar, I look like an average sized male, but really, it’s a clever perspective shot, and I am holding the parrot further out in front of me than it appears to be.
Well, when I came home last night, I dropped my keys in the high grass that’s around my front porch (well, if you are a midget, it’s appear high to me), and I was fumbling for my keys, when a sheriff’s department SUV (yes they use SUV’s up here in the hills) drove up and started to question me.
He reminded me of the recent midget robberies and started questioning me about where I have been spending the last few days? I told him that Cirque De Soleil was coming to town next week, and I was applying for some temporary work tightening screws underneath the seats (my height makes that easy work).
The next thing you know, he’s slamming me up against the garbage can (it was taller than me), and telling me to stop fucking with him. I guess he doesn’t know anything about the employment opportunities for midgets.
I told him I was sure that the local robberies was due to a clever raccoon, not a midget, since all the midgets I know in the neighborhood have been attend the “very special people” convention in San Diego this week.
He was going to arrest me, but the cuffs kept slipping off and he didn’t have any of those plastic things.
I finally convinced him that I was not the midget he was looking for and he left. But it does show you that being a minority is a SMALL part of the problem.
///
This is not the midget you are looking for…(waving hand and using ominous voice)
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:03:17pm |
One thing that should be unanimous across party lines is that the one person indisputably acting “stupidly” in this case is the President of the United States.
| 180 |
simonml Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:03:18pm |
| 181 |
Kenneth Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:03:23pm |
Of all the narcissistic, arrogant, snide, smug, condescending, race-baiting, back-stabbing, weasel-worded, mean-spirited, grievance-peddling, petty-minded, nasty, divisive, manipulative, sneaky, unpresidential, unbecoming, undignified, unbelievable, un-Christian, low-down, miserable, despicable, vile, knavish, lecturing, hectoring, pedantic and pathetic things Barack Hussein Obama has ever said, this takes the cake.
| 182 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:03:41pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:03:46pm |
re: #168 Russkilitlover
But it did. And it is being kept in the limelight by the bumbling of this administration. And it’s instructive…teachable, even.
It’s a brilliant distraction. While we’re watching the birdie:
House Democrats clearing one health care obstacle
Key House Democrats agreed Friday on steps designed to cut the growth of Medicare, clearing one of numerous obstacles blocking an early vote on health care legislation.
But even as Speaker Nancy Pelosi hailed the agreement as a “giant step forward” on President Barack Obama’s top domestic legislation, leaders struggled without success to ease the concerns of moderate to conservative Democrats who have held up progress on the bill for a week. With the talks at a deadlock, a key committee chairman suggested an end run around the rebels.
At the White House, Obama
met with senators in an attempt to speed completion of a bipartisan deal that has been under discussion for weekslaughed his butt off at the ease with which he could distract the right.
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:03:53pm |
re: #176 wahabicorridor
OT
I don’t know if this has been posted yet, but hubby sez he just got word that the Blue Dog Dems have told Pelosi to go piss up a rope. They’re done talking to her, they’re going home to talk to their constituents.
Pelosi ain’t gettin’ her vote.
Good to hear.
| 185 |
Baier Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:03:57pm |
re: #164 zombie
I’m not so sure — apparently “Colgate Presents: Racial Grievance Theater” is now on every night at 8pm.
Haha, all the drama and believability of a made for TV special too.
| 186 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:04:03pm |
re: #175 MikeAlv77
Mandy, you need to learn to express yourself… Holding back like this is bad for your health…
//
It hurts my BP to hold it in.
| 187 |
Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:04:10pm |
re: #157 reine.de.tout
Well … if I had a neighbor call the cops to report me breaking into my own house, I would be very very grateful to the neighbor who was watching closely, and to the cops who responded.
The irony here is that if the officer did not respond to the radio call, Gates would have thrown a fit, as well.
The justice here is that the next time gates calls the Cambridge Police … they will still rush to the scene, because no matter our personal feelings, we try to be professionals.
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apachegunner Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:04:12pm |
re: #147 MandyManners
It’s when one person inserts the lit end of the joint into her mouth and blows as if playing a trumpet while the other person gets right up next to the other end of the joint and quickly inhales the smoke that comes billowing out of the end.
gosh, havn’t done that in a very long time, what about you mandy? by the way hello there
| 189 |
jcm Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:04:22pm |
re: #134 MandyManners
When will he throw Gates under the bus?
He’s got a firm grip on his collar. During the presser “Gates over reacted…”
| 190 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:04:22pm |
OT: The cutest extinct monkey eater you’ll see today…
Villagers discover ‘extinct’ leopard cub eating a monkey (with pic)
| 191 |
lifeofthemind Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:04:26pm |
re: #181 Kenneth
Have faith, worse is yet to come. Now tell us how you really feel.
| 192 |
pink freud Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:04:27pm |
| 193 |
iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:04:29pm |
re: #172 Iron Fist
Beer is proof that God loves us.
Yes, but then why does he make us pay for it? :(
| 194 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:04:37pm |
re: #176 wahabicorridor
OT
I don’t know if this has been posted yet, but hubby sez he just got word that the Blue Dog Dems have told Pelosi to go piss up a rope. They’re done talking to her, they’re going home to talk to their constituents.
Pelosi ain’t gettin’ her vote.
NEENER NEENER, NAN!
| 195 |
jamgarr Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:04:48pm |
| 196 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:04:58pm |
re: #190 Killgore Trout
I can haz monkey? Om nom nom.
| 197 |
Lincolntf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:05:04pm |
re: #183 Sharmuta
Racially neutral application of the law is not a distraction, it’s essential to a free and equal society.
| 198 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:05:08pm |
re: #178 Iron Fist
Ouch! Damn, when that shot gun gets off, do you know what will happen to your dick?
I don’t know. I don’t have a penis.
| 199 |
Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:05:12pm |
re: #189 jcm
He’s got a firm grip on his collar. During the presser “Gates over reacted…”
Yep. he’s a professional, unlike Gates apparently.
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pink freud Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:05:20pm |
re: #176 wahabicorridor
OT
I don’t know if this has been posted yet, but hubby sez he just got word that the Blue Dog Dems have told Pelosi to go piss up a rope. They’re done talking to her, they’re going home to talk to their constituents.
Pelosi ain’t gettin’ her vote.
Bless you, darlin’. :-)
| 202 |
subsailor68 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:05:27pm |
re: #169 Wyatt Earp
Petty, if you ask me.
Methinks you’re being a wee bit too kind. “Terminally stupid” works better for me. I mean, Gates has a neighbor who cared enough to be concerned, and to call the police. The police - not knowing what they might possibly be facing - come to protect this guy and his property.
And what do they get? Trashed, abused, and called racist by the very idiot they’re there to protect.
Gates gets no pass from me. None.
| 203 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:05:45pm |
re: #181 Kenneth
Of all the narcissistic, arrogant, snide, smug, condescending, race-baiting, back-stabbing, weasel-worded, mean-spirited, grievance-peddling, petty-minded, nasty, divisive, manipulative, sneaky, unpresidential, unbecoming, undignified, unbelievable, un-Christian, low-down, miserable, despicable, vile, knavish, lecturing, hectoring, pedantic and pathetic things Barack Hussein Obama has ever said, this takes the cake.
You can say that again!
| 205 |
3 wood Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:06:02pm |
re: #142 Wyatt Earp
Thanks, Reine. Every detective working today - there were 8 of us, 6 white, and 2 black - all agreed that this entire event was ridiculous. Even more ridiculous was the POTUS commenting upon something he knows nothing about.
Agreed 100%.
| 206 |
doppelganglander Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:06:25pm |
re: #176 wahabicorridor
OT
I don’t know if this has been posted yet, but hubby sez he just got word that the Blue Dog Dems have told Pelosi to go piss up a rope. They’re done talking to her, they’re going home to talk to their constituents.
Pelosi ain’t gettin’ her vote.
That is the best news I’ve heard all day.
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:06:30pm |
re: #172 Iron Fist
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
FTFY
I love that quote. It always makes me miss beer.
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VioletTiger Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:06:39pm |
re: #176 wahabicorridor
OT
I don’t know if this has been posted yet, but hubby sez he just got word that the Blue Dog Dems have told Pelosi to go piss up a rope. They’re done talking to her, they’re going home to talk to their constituents.
Pelosi ain’t gettin’ her vote.
A round of Scooby snacks for them Blue Dogs!
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:06:41pm |
re: #188 apachegunner
gosh, havn’t done that in a very long time, what about you mandy? by the way hello there
Hiya’, agunner! I don’t even remember the last time I smoked pot. It was in the 90s.
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Russkilitlover Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:06:58pm |
re: #183 Sharmuta
According to a lot of reports, Pelosi does not have the votes for an August passing. Reid has also said the Senate will not pass it in August. There are a lot of Blue Dogs and other responsible Dems up for reelection in 2010, they are not going to let something get rammed through. IMO.
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Nightlight Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:07:10pm |
Obama today said:
There was an overreaction in pulling professor Gates out of his home to the station.
Gates wasn’t pulled out of his home.
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:07:12pm |
re: #202 subsailor68
Petty, if you ask me.
Methinks you’re being a wee bit too kind. “Terminally stupid” works better for me. I mean, Gates has a neighbor who cared enough to be concerned, and to call the police. The police - not knowing what they might possibly be facing - come to protect this guy and his property.
And what do they get? Trashed, abused, and called racist by the very idiot they’re there to protect.
Gates gets no pass from me. None.
Well, personally, I think Gates is the worst kind of person. As a police officer, I think he overreacted. Wyatt the man can be angry at a knucklehead. Wyatt the detective has to put that aside and come to his aid when he calls 911.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:07:41pm |
re: #189 jcm
He’s got a firm grip on his collar. During the presser “Gates over reacted…”
I wonder if FCBBHO is getting permission from Sharpton, Jackson, et al., to give him a shove.
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:07:44pm |
F-16’s flying in a insanely tight “diamond formation” banking right outside my office window. It is breathtaking to watch the USAF in action.
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lifeofthemind Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:07:48pm |
re: #142 Wyatt Earp
Thanks, Reine. Every detective working today - there were 8 of us, 6 white, and 2 black - all agreed that this entire event was ridiculous. Even more ridiculous was the POTUS commenting upon something he knows nothing about.
Be Fair. If Obama only got to comment on things he knows something about he’d be like those Mutes going around handing out Talk to the Deaf cards on the subway.
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Jimmah Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:07:49pm |
re: #193 iceweasel
Yes, but then why does he make us pay for it? :(
It’s ok as long as you confine yourself to just ‘a few ales’.
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Kenneth Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:07:52pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:08:08pm |
In another part of the Capitol on Friday, Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., said attempts by so-called Blue Dogs to win changes had ended in stalemate.“It pretty much fell apart this afternoon,” he said.
The group has enough votes on the Energy and Commerce Committee to prevent the bill’s passage there, and the chairman, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., raised the possibility of simply bypassing the panel and taking the legislation directly to the floor.
“We’re going to have to look at perhaps bypassing the committee because we’ve got to get moving on this legislation,” he said. “I hope we don’t come to that conclusion.”
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]
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mineral Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:08:13pm |
For some reason, it really upsets me that Obama has commented on this particular case like this.
I understand that racism certainly still exists, (even though in this case, the mayor, the governor, the president and the professor himself might demonstrate that we have come a long way), but I really don’t think this is a case of profiling at all.
It now appears that Gates knew someone had messed up his doors and in fact the question he refused to answer was “Is there anybody in the home with you?” before he exploded at the officer (in front of a black and latino police offer no less.)
I am starting to guess that Gates was trying to hide something through his over the top performance. Should it ever come out, I hope the press reports it.
Obama really picked the wrong case to educate the rest of us on the evils of racism on.
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:08:19pm |
re: #181 Kenneth
Of all the narcissistic, arrogant, snide, smug, condescending, race-baiting, back-stabbing, weasel-worded, mean-spirited, grievance-peddling, petty-minded, nasty, divisive, manipulative, sneaky, unpresidential, unbecoming, undignified, unbelievable, un-Christian, low-down, miserable, despicable, vile, knavish, lecturing, hectoring, pedantic and pathetic things Barack Hussein Obama has ever said, this takes the cake.
Only temporarily, I fear.
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VioletTiger Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:08:23pm |
re: #187 Wyatt Earp
The irony here is that if the officer did not respond to the radio call, Gates would have thrown a fit, as well.
The justice here is that the next time gates calls the Cambridge Police … they will still rush to the scene, because no matter our personal feelings, we try to be professionals.
That must be one of the tougher parts of the job. You have to maintain your professional cool no matter what and really suppress any personal feelings.
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outsidephilly Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:08:42pm |
re: #169 Wyatt Earp
Thanks. I’m not perfect, and I have made my share of mistakes in 15 years, but when something like this gets out, the media tries to lump every police officer into one racist little group. I think that’s despicable.
In 15 years, I have had an African-American partner, A female partner, and two Latino partners. I would have surely laid down my life for any one of them, and they have been in my home for dinner dozens of times.
The thing to remember is that there are idiots and morons of every color and every profession. I believe that Gates expected the officers to kiss his rear end, and when they did their job in investigating the radio call, he became outraged. Petty, if you ask me.
Yep, its petty, that’s for sure!
Can’t help but think Obama is enjoying all this distraction from his health insurance ‘plan’…
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:08:48pm |
re: #207 Dianna
FTFY
I love that quote. It always makes me miss beer.
Need to work ony your aim, Dianna!
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:08:57pm |
re: #163 EmmmieG
Links?
Well, what I was getting at is that there weren’t any apologies, that I can find. Just seemed strange to me. Isn’t an imperfect apology better than none at all?
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:09:08pm |
re: #209 MandyManners
Apropos of nothing, I work with a guy who is 55 years old and smokes pot every day. It doesn’t bother me, but it was very strange to see him openly light up right in front of me a few months ago. On first impressions, he’d strike you as the straightest arrow in the quiver.
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:09:11pm |
re: #211 Nightlight
Obama today said:
There was an overreaction in pulling professor Gates out of his home to the station.
Gates wasn’t pulled out of his home.
No he wasn’t. He was escorted (walked) out of his home, cufed in the front as a courtesy - even after Gates savaged the officers verbally.
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doppelganglander Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:09:14pm |
re: #212 Wyatt Earp
Well, personally, I think Gates is the worst kind of person. As a police officer, I think he overreacted. Wyatt the man can be angry at a knucklehead. Wyatt the detective has to put that aside and come to his aid when he calls 911.
I’d like to sentence Professor Gates to 120 hours of watching “Cops” reruns on TruTV. Maybe he’ll learn what usually happens to individuals who run from, taunt, smart off to, or otherwise annoy the police. Maybe he can come down the White House and he and Barry can make a weekend of it. Popcorn and everything.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:09:14pm |
re: #204 buzzsawmonkey
Ohhh, he takes care of himself
He’s the man for the time
Ohhh, and he’ll use who he wants
In his dizzying climb…
Brain fart—what song?
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:09:56pm |
re: #211 Nightlight
Obama today said:
There was an overreaction in pulling professor Gates out of his home to the station.
Gates wasn’t pulled out of his home.
Do you have a transcript?
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OldLineTexan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:10:03pm |
re: #169 Wyatt Earp
and two Latino partners
It grieves me to think how that ONE VOWEL is keeping you from driving OR completely out of his gourd.
/
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littleoldlady Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:10:05pm |
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acwgusa Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:10:10pm |
re: #218 Sharmuta
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]
Bypassing your own party committee members. A good way to ensure never gettting their help again. Way to go, Henry Snoutnose.
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:10:11pm |
re: #183 Sharmuta
Sharm, we can watch more than one thing at a time.
BTW, aren’t you interested in what they’re doing with Medicare? Have you written your congresscritter?
I wrote mine, for all the good it did.
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pink freud Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:10:16pm |
re: #226 ShanghaiEd
Well, what I was getting at is that there weren’t any apologies, that I can find. Just seemed strange to me. Isn’t an imperfect apology better than none at all?
What’s an imperfect apology?
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J.D. Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:10:26pm |
re: #209 MandyManners
Hiya’, agunner! I don’t even remember the last time I smoked pot. It was in the 90s.
But… did you inhale?
That is the burning issue.
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wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:10:35pm |
re: #183 Sharmuta
Sharm, see my #176 - Blue Dogs are walkin’
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zombie Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:10:40pm |
Also, this has more to do with privilege than race. Gates apparently yelled “You have no idea who you’re dealing with!”, which is exactly the kind of thing a privileged member of the elite yells at a lowly beat cop who makes the mistake of not kowtowing to the person in authority.
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jcm Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:10:40pm |
re: #199 Wyatt Earp
Yep. he’s a professional, unlike Gates apparently.
Hey Wyatt, was just over browsing you blog yesterday. Hadn’t seen you ‘round here, just checking to see if your still out oppressing the criminal class /;-P
How many times in your career does a contact start with the same line Gates allegedly used?
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:10:46pm |
re: #142 Wyatt Earp
Thanks, Reine. Every detective working today - there were 8 of us, 6 white, and 2 black - all agreed that this entire event was ridiculous. Even more ridiculous was the POTUS commenting upon something he knows nothing about.
It’s how he does things. He’s in a job he doesn’t know how to do as well.
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:10:48pm |
re: #229 doppelganglander
I’d like to sentence Professor Gates to 120 hours of watching “Cops” reruns on TruTV. Maybe he’ll learn what usually happens to individuals who run from, taunt, smart off to, or otherwise annoy the police. Maybe he can come down the White House and he and Barry can make a weekend of it. Popcorn and everything.
We’ve had 7 police officers murdered in Philly in the last three years. Had this happened here, Gates may have been wrestled to the ground. We have to be extremely careful with calls like these, because you never know if you will go home after it.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:10:53pm |
re: #226 ShanghaiEd
Well, what I was getting at is that there weren’t any apologies, that I can find. Just seemed strange to me. Isn’t an
imperfectinsincere apology better than none at all?
No.
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NY Nana Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:10:56pm |
re: #112 Wyatt Earp
G-d bless you. Not the easiest profession, but that makes you a hero.
I wonder what the Cambridge Police Force, and the police at Harvard now have to say about The One. After all, he went to Law School there. I would dearly like to hear from them. I am from a city in MA that is close to Cambridge, and would not be in shock if they had assisted him in how to get from Building A to Building C, etc., and were always polite and helpful.
Ironic that he, of all people, spits in their faces.
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midwestgak Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:10:57pm |
re: #157 reine.de.tout
Well … if I had a neighbor call the cops to report me breaking into my own house, I would be very very grateful to the neighbor who was watching closely, and to the cops who responded.
I happened to be home on a work day a few years back and noticed a guy removing an air conditioner from a basement apartment window. I called local police and reported it. The village police were there within minutes with guns drawn at him just before he entered the apartment.
The guy lived there. Had locked his keys inside. He went in and got proof of his lease. End of that story. Still, I’m glad I called. You never know.
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Sharmuta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:11:01pm |
FACT CHECK: Obama’s health care claims adrift?
OBAMA: “You haven’t seen me out there blaming the Republicans.”
THE FACTS: Obama did so in his opening statement, saying, “I’ve heard that one Republican strategist told his party that even though they may want to compromise, it’s better politics to ‘go for the kill.’ Another Republican senator said that defeating health reform is about ‘breaking’ me.”
Read the whole thing
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Randall Gross Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:11:14pm |
Leftover from earlier thread, some background on AAPS and JPAND
[Link: scienceblogs.com…]
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:11:24pm |
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J.D. Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:11:28pm |
re: #176 wahabicorridor
OT
I don’t know if this has been posted yet, but hubby sez he just got word that the Blue Dog Dems have told Pelosi to go piss up a rope. They’re done talking to her, they’re going home to talk to their constituents.
Pelosi ain’t gettin’ her vote.
Excellent.
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:11:43pm |
re: #224 MandyManners
Need to work ony your aim, Dianna!
I’m more concerned with my waistline, Mandy. To say nothing of the sight of my hips in the mirror the other morning. Yikes!
This getting older stuff is not for wimps.
Ignore me for a moment. I must go bang my head in the corner and whimper for a bit.
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:11:45pm |
re: #245 NY Nana
G-d bless you. Not the easiest profession, but that makes you a hero.
I wonder what the Cambridge Police Force, and the police at Harvard now have to say about The One. After all, he went to Law School there. I would dearly like to hear from them. I am from a city in MA that is close to Cambridge, and would not be in shock if they had assisted him in how to get from Building A to Building C, etc., and were always polite and helpful.
Ironic that he, of all people, spits in their faces.
Thank you very much. But I’m no hero. I’m just a dumb guy doing a great job. :)
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voirdire Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:11:46pm |
This is what making legal decisions based on “empathy” looks like. Get used to it.
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lifeofthemind Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:12:05pm |
re: #240 zombie
Gates apparently yelled “You have no idea who you’re dealing with!”,
To which the answer is “Correct Sir and until I know you will obey my instructions.”
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formercorpsman Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:12:07pm |
re: #243 Wyatt Earp
I was waiting to see if you would mention that. It brings everything into perspective.
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IslandLibertarian Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:12:20pm |
Where the hell is Sharpton? Jesse? Damn! Teach me!
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kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:12:23pm |
Everyone keeps saying the ‘emperor has no clothes’ in regard to Obama. It’s opposite, though. There are clothes aplenty, there’s just nothing in ‘em.
| 258 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:12:47pm |
“Teachable moment”? He’s so full of shit.
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JustMyView Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:12:54pm |
re: #24 MandyManners
I just cannot imagine FCCBHO chug-a-lugging a brew.
He’s been photographed drinking beer several times, most recently at the All-Star Game.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:12:55pm |
re: #219 mineral
For some reason, it really upsets me that Obama has commented on this particular case like this.
I understand that racism certainly still exists, (even though in this case, the mayor, the governor, the president and the professor himself might demonstrate that we have come a long way), but I really don’t think this is a case of profiling at all.
It now appears that Gates knew someone had messed up his doors and in fact the question he refused to answer was “Is there anybody in the home with you?” before he exploded at the officer (in front of a black and latino police offer no less.)
I am starting to guess that Gates was trying to hide something through his over the top performance. Should it ever come out, I hope the press reports it.
Obama really picked the wrong case to educate the rest of us on the evils of racism on.
I suspect that at the point that Gates was arrested, the officers would have made sure that no one else was hovering around to cause them trouble. The police didn’t just rush off with him. They have to secure the scene and make sure they have their ass covered.
There was nothing else to find or else they would have found it, before they left. There is no need to make more of this then what it is. That’s like Obama making it out to be something it’s not.
Obama didn’t have all the facts, you don’t either.
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:13:00pm |
re: #241 jcm
Hey Wyatt, was just over browsing you blog yesterday. Hadn’t seen you ‘round here, just checking to see if your still out oppressing the criminal class /;-P
How many times in your career does a contact start with the same line Gates allegedly used?
I work in North Philly. Its residents are primarily African-American. Sadly, we get a lot of responses like the ones Gates used. We try to ignore it and move on. And no, it’s not easy.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:13:07pm |
re: #227 Lincolntf
Apropos of nothing, I work with a guy who is 55 years old and smokes pot every day. It doesn’t bother me, but it was very strange to see him openly light up right in front of me a few months ago. On first impressions, he’d strike you as the straightest arrow in the quiver.
I useta’ wear button-down shirts, Brooks Brother’s jackets, straight-legged Levis and highly buffed loafers. Well, my purple-tinted glasses might’ve given me away.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:13:37pm |
re: #226 ShanghaiEd
Well, what I was getting at is that there weren’t any apologies, that I can find. Just seemed strange to me. Isn’t an imperfect apology better than none at all?
Apologizing for what you didn’t do is wrong.
Apologizing for what you did do is right.
Sympathizing with people who were treated wrongly is fine, identifying that wrong happened is the right thing to do, but the apology belongs to the perpetrators. Guilt sticks to the person it belongs to.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:13:43pm |
re: #232 OldLineTexan
It grieves me to think how that ONE VOWEL is keeping you from driving OR completely out of his gourd.
/
ROFLMAO!
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Nightlight Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:13:44pm |
re: #231 MandyManners
No transcript. Working at home and watching coverage on news.
| 267 |
Randall Gross Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:13:49pm |
O: “Don’t look behind the curtain! I am am the the great and powerful Obs!”
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freedomplow Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:13:51pm |
We all know what happened and how Gates reacted.
Wouldn’t catch me going to the White House to hang out with two men that impugned my character.
| 269 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:14:00pm |
re: #176 wahabicorridor
OT
I don’t know if this has been posted yet, but hubby sez he just got word that the Blue Dog Dems have told Pelosi to go piss up a rope. They’re done talking to her, they’re going home to talk to their constituents.
Pelosi ain’t gettin’ her vote.
It would be hilarious if some of them switched to the GOP.
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J.D. Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:14:01pm |
re: #261 Wyatt Earp
I work in North Philly. Its residents are primarily African-American. Sadly, we get a lot of responses like the ones Gates used. We try to ignore it and move on. And no, it’s not easy.
Have you noticed whether they’ve increased recently?
This isn’t going to help, I think.
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lifeofthemind Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:14:10pm |
Where are those Youtube videos on what to do when stopped by the Po-Leese?
| 272 |
Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:14:14pm |
re: #255 formercorpsman
I was waiting to see if you would mention that. It brings everything into perspective.
Well, Chuck Cassidy was a friend of mine. His murder was especially painful.
| 273 |
littleoldlady Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:14:19pm |
re: #261 Wyatt Earp
I work in North Philly. Its residents are primarily African-American. Sadly, we get a lot of responses like the ones Gates used. We try to ignore it and move on. And no, it’s not easy.
Well NO WONDER you think a lot of Philadelphians hate you!
/a lot more of us love youse guyz!
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outsidephilly Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:14:29pm |
re: #252 Wyatt Earp
Thank you very much. But I’m no hero. I’m just a dumb guy doing a great job. :)
I updinged you not for the dumb guy part, but because you are among the many officers doing a great job keeping me safe in the streets of philly!
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apachegunner Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:14:32pm |
re: #207 Dianna
FTFY
I love that quote. It always makes me miss beer.
ahhh beer, not only a breakfest drink!
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SixDegrees Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:14:34pm |
re: #226 ShanghaiEd
Well, what I was getting at is that there weren’t any apologies, that I can find. Just seemed strange to me. Isn’t an imperfect apology better than none at all?
Just as I predicted on the last thread. A non-apology that was then turned into a lecture aimed at those who disagree with him and an attempt to shift the blame for this insult onto his critics. “Those who disagree with me need to be re-educated” is the take-away message.
Badly played. A simple acknowledgment that he let his mouth get ahead of his brain, that he shouldn’t have condemned anyone based on the limited knowledge he had, would have glossed the whole matter over, and it would have sunk into obscurity. Instead, he’s upped the ante and decided to make an issue of the indefensible.
Oh, well. At least it keeps people from focusing on his attempt to nationalize health care.
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OldLineTexan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:14:35pm |
re: #239 wahabicorridor
Sharm, see my #176 - Blue Dogs are walkin’
But, you’re on this thread. How could you know???
/
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:14:56pm |
re: #259 JustMyView
He’s been photographed drinking beer several times, most recently at the All-Star Game.
Probably just so he’d look like one of the “rabble”.
| 279 |
voirdire Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:15:00pm |
re: #240 zombie
The cop might have thought the guy was John Kerry.
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pink freud Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:15:15pm |
re: #268 freedomplow
We all know what happened and how Gates reacted.
Wouldn’t catch me going to the White House to hang out with two men that impugned my character.
They could always just “agree to disagree”.
/liberal favorite
| 281 |
calcajun Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:15:23pm |
re: #14 buzzsawmonkey
That came out wrong on so many levels. Sick. Funny—but sick.///
Ooops— Walking Boss is coming!
BBL
| 282 |
Wendya Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:15:39pm |
I suspect Obama’s comments will indeed be a ‘teachable moment’ for many people in this country… just not the way he intended.
| 283 |
Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:15:42pm |
re: #270 J.D.
Have you noticed whether they’ve increased recently?
This isn’t going to help, I think.
It has been about the same, but no, this will not help matters. Especially after their false idol proclaimed the officers “stupid.”
littleoldlady, outsidephilly - Thank you!
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lobo91 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:15:49pm |
re: #240 zombie
Also, this has more to do with privilege than race. Gates apparently yelled “You have no idea who you’re dealing with!”, which is exactly the kind of thing a privileged member of the elite yells at a lowly beat cop who makes the mistake of not kowtowing to the person in authority.
If you look closely at the report, you’ll also note that when Gates did finally show an ID to Crowley, it wasn’t his drivers license. It was his Harvard faculty ID.
There’s no reason anyone would do that, other than to emphasize the “you don’t know who you’re messing with” aspect of the whole thing.
| 285 |
saberry0530 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:15:50pm |
What I would like to see is the Prez saying and I quote ” I acted stupidly in my comments yesterday concerning the Cambridge police dept.”
| 286 |
subsailor68 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:16:02pm |
re: #183 Sharmuta
Hi Sharm! From your link:
Under the agreement, the Institute of Medicine would complete a study by September 2011 recommending changes in the current fee structure.
And,
Separately, lawmakers agreed to call for a second study by the Institute of Medicine to investigate regional differences in payments to Medicare providers, to be implemented in 2014.
Officials said the two steps combined were designed to control the steady increase in Medicare costs, although they provided no immediate estimates of anticipated savings.
Two words for these Democrats: Baby and Boomers. The pig is in the python. The only “changes to the current fee structure” that could address this would be to limit services and/or reduce fees.
And this on top of Obama’s claim that his new health care plan would be paid for by increasing taxes on the “rich” and cutting costs in Medicare and Medicaid.
This is quickly becoming a sick, sick joke. A terribly unfunny one.
| 287 |
MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:16:11pm |
re: #236 buzzsawmonkey
“She’s Always a Woman To Me.” Inspired by your “You’ll always be FCBBHO to me.”
Reminds me of another Billy Joel song:
| 288 |
Ward Cleaver Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:16:12pm |
re: #282 Wendya
I suspect Obama’s comments will indeed be a ‘teachable moment’ for many people in this country… just not the way he intended.
Yeah, it’s taught them that 0bama is an asshole.
| 289 |
Syrah Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:16:39pm |
re: #219 mineral
For some reason, it really upsets me that Obama has commented on this particular case like this.
I understand that racism certainly still exists, (even though in this case, the mayor, the governor, the president and the professor himself might demonstrate that we have come a long way), but I really don’t think this is a case of profiling at all.
It now appears that Gates knew someone had messed up his doors and in fact the question he refused to answer was “Is there anybody in the home with you?” before he exploded at the officer (in front of a black and latino police offer no less.)
I am starting to guess that Gates was trying to hide something through his over the top performance. Should it ever come out, I hope the press reports it.
Obama really picked the wrong case to educate the rest of us on the evils of racism on.
Students (ahem) needing to boost up their grades?
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:16:40pm |
re: #238 J.D.
But… did you inhale?
That is the burning issue.
Sure did and I would again if it were not illegal.
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:16:58pm |
re: #227 Lincolntf
Apropos of nothing, I work with a guy who is 55 years old and smokes pot every day. It doesn’t bother me, but it was very strange to see him openly light up right in front of me a few months ago. On first impressions, he’d strike you as the straightest arrow in the quiver.
Just a question, but might he have MS? I understand that pot is helpful for MS sufferers.
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albusteve Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:17:17pm |
re: #247 Sharmuta
FACT CHECK: Obama’s health care claims adrift?
Read the whole thing
revealing the truth behind the flowery rhetoric…nice of Yahoo to post that
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Sharmuta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:17:20pm |
re: #235 Dianna
Sharm, we can watch more than one thing at a time.
Stating my opinion that this stupid story is a distraction does not equal an insult to your intelligence or ability to pay attention to more than one thing, so quit defending yourself.
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calcajun Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:17:22pm |
re: #176 wahabicorridor
Then it will crash and burn if a floor vote is called, or will they have to be there?
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Kenneth Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:17:27pm |
Cambridge police department statement:
Mr Obama, you do not well serve the country by attacking the men & women in uniform who risk their lives every day to protect every American citizen.
Shame on you.
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:17:32pm |
re: #268 freedomplow
We all know what happened and how Gates reacted.
Wouldn’t catch me going to the White House to hang out with two men that impugned my character.
If I were in the sergeant’s shoes, I would politely decline any more invitations and interviews. He does not need the aggravation. Thankfully, some good people in Cambridge are sticking by him.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:17:49pm |
re: #245 NY Nana
G-d bless you. Not the easiest profession, but that makes you a hero.
I wonder what the Cambridge Police Force, and the police at Harvard now have to say about The One. After all, he went to Law School there. I would dearly like to hear from them. I am from a city in MA that is close to Cambridge, and would not be in shock if they had assisted him in how to get from Building A to Building C, etc., and were always polite and helpful.
Ironic that he, of all people, spits in their faces.
I don’t think it’s ironic at all. Look at his buddy Bill Ayers.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:17:49pm |
re: #235 Dianna
Sharm, we can watch more than one thing at a time.
BTW, aren’t you interested in what they’re doing with Medicare? Have you written your congresscritter?
I wrote mine, for all the good it did.
I wrote mine regarding ObamaCare and cap & trade.
For whatever it was worth.
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jamgarr Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:18:00pm |
re: #265 buzzsawmonkey
“I am the gunmaster. Are you the Gates keeper?”
Many a cop knew what it was like to boil in agony from the scorn of the President that day I tell you!
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:18:19pm |
re: #251 Dianna
I’m more concerned with my waistline, Mandy. To say nothing of the sight of my hips in the mirror the other morning. Yikes!
This getting older stuff is not for wimps.
Ignore me for a moment. I must go bang my head in the corner and whimper for a bit.
(((Dianna)))
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formercorpsman Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:18:20pm |
re: #272 Wyatt Earp
I know brother. I have some close losses in delco (fire/police) that don’t go away.
You were in the back of my mind when this story started to go down.
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pink freud Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:18:20pm |
re: #298 reine.de.tout
I wrote mine regarding ObamaCare and cap & trade.
For whatever it was worth.
I did also.
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:18:37pm |
re: #268 freedomplow
It’s like Obama offered an audience with himself in exchange for the policeman’s good name.
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doppelganglander Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:18:44pm |
re: #243 Wyatt Earp
We’ve had 7 police officers murdered in Philly in the last three years. Had this happened here, Gates may have been wrestled to the ground. We have to be extremely careful with calls like these, because you never know if you will go home after it.
I remember you posting about that. I can’t help but think the general disrespect for law enforcement in some communities is a major factor in cases where the suspect and the officer mix it up, much more so than police brutality, racism, or anything else.
Stay safe out there, man.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:19:08pm |
re: #259 JustMyView
He’s been photographed drinking beer several times, most recently at the All-Star Game.
A five-minute beer is usually chugged, not sipped at.
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lifeofthemind Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:19:23pm |
Did this prize have anything to do with charming Michelle at Princeton before Lucky Harvard snagged him?
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:19:47pm |
re: #256 IslandLibertarian
Where the hell is Sharpton? Jesse? Damn! Teach me!
Al’s trying to locate Tawana Brawley, so he can use her to smear Sgt. Crowley.
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Silvergirl Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:19:49pm |
re: #293 Sharmuta
Stating my opinion that this stupid story is a distraction does not equal an insult to your intelligence or ability to pay attention to more than one thing, so quit defending yourself.
You quit, you bossy thing.
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SixDegrees Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:19:54pm |
re: #234 acwgusa
Bypassing your own party committee members. A good way to ensure never gettting their help again. Way to go, Henry Snoutnose.
It’s not going to sit well with a whole lot of other House Democrats, either. Waxman may very well wind up screwing the pooch and destroying Democratic consensus in the House for the rest of this term, or longer.
What, exactly, do they plan on sending to the floor for a vote, if the committee is unable to complete their portion of the bill?
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:19:56pm |
re: #304 doppelganglander
I remember you posting about that. I can’t help but think the general disrespect for law enforcement in some communities is a major factor in cases where the suspect and the officer mix it up, much more so than police brutality, racism, or anything else.
Stay safe out there, man.
Always. Thank you.
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kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:19:57pm |
re: #226 ShanghaiEd
Well, what I was getting at is that there weren’t any apologies, that I can find. Just seemed strange to me. Isn’t an imperfect apology better than none at all?
You’re saying Bush had some things to apologize for, but he didn’t, is that right? Can you cite those examples of one or two of those things? I can’t think of any. Not that he did anything wrong in his presidency, they just weren’t the kinds of things people apologize for. You know, like calling others stupid when you don’t even know the facts regarding the situation.
Can you give some examples? Links would be great, but even just naming them would help.
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Bob Dillon Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:20:03pm |
Posted yesterday topside:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
“There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public.
Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays.
Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”
- Booker T. Washington (1856-1915.)
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KenJen Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:20:18pm |
re: #285 saberry0530
What I would like to see is the Prez saying and I quote ” I acted stupidly in my comments yesterday concerning the Cambridge police dept.”
Prefaced by an “I’m sorry”.
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outsidephilly Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:20:26pm |
re: #301 formercorpsman
I know brother. I have some close losses in delco (fire/police) that don’t go away.
You were in the back of my mind when this story started to go down.
Yes, this is certainly stirring up many emotions …
My son is a police officer, the level of self-control he displays is quite impressive!
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Elcid Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:20:31pm |
Is it me, or is Obama on the TUBE more then Seinfeld re-runs?
And save it…I like the latter name.
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:20:43pm |
re: #291 Dianna
Nah. We’re pretty good friends nowadays and he tells me that he just never broke the habit from when he was a kid.
I do know an MS guy who smokes pot up in MA. It definitely helps him.
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wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:20:49pm |
re: #286 subsailor68
I think they’re talking about the ‘sustainable growth rate’ SRG. Promising to modify it was how they got the AMA’s endorsement.
Over the past few weeks, according to sources, House committee staff have been involved in serious negotiations with representatives of various physician groups, attempting to win their overt support not just for reform but for a public plan option specifically. As an enticement, they’ve been promising to fix permanently the SGR problem—that is, the annually scheduled adjustment to the “sustainable growth rate” in Medicare, which threaten increasingly large cuts in physician payments before Congress inevitably postpones changes for a year. Reformers, including President Obama, have already talked about doing this; apparently, the offer the House Dems are making is to follow through on this and to make it a good, solid fix.
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MandyManners Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:21:08pm |
UNCLE!
Gotta’ get to the market. I’m making a Mexican fest tonight: chicken enchiladas, (home-made) refried beans, guacamole, pica de gallo, et cet..
HAVE A GREAT FRIDAY AFTERNOON, LIZARDS!
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eschew_obfuscation Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:21:10pm |
re: #271 lifeofthemind
Where are those Youtube videos on what to do when stopped by the Po-Leese?
Isn’t the correct term “PoPos” now?
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debutaunt Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:21:17pm |
re: #259 JustMyView
He’s been photographed drinking beer several times, most recently at the All-Star Game.
Mom beer?
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wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:21:36pm |
re: #294 calcajun
Then it will crash and burn if a floor vote is called, or will they have to be there?
There are well over 30 of them - so no vote w/o them
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:21:49pm |
re: #316 Elcid
Is it me, or is Obama on the TUBE more then Seinfeld re-runs?
And save it…I like the latter name.
More than I Love Lucy.
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kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:21:51pm |
re: #312 kynna
You’re saying Bush had some things to apologize for, but he didn’t, is that right? Can you cite those examples of one or two of those things? I can’t think of any. Not that he didn’t do anything wrong in his presidency, they just weren’t the kinds of things people apologize for. You know, like calling others stupid when you don’t even know the facts regarding the situation.
Can you give some examples? Links would be great, but even just naming them would help.
PIMF
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zombie Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:21:51pm |
“Gates then turned to me and old me that I had no idea who I was ‘messing’ with…”
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yochanan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:21:58pm |
re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The real teachable moment, when Obama said he didn’t know all the facts and then went ahead and said the police were wrong anyways.
in the zero’s mind America and the man are quilty and the police are the man.
the zero’s racism is showing. as is the herr doc gates.
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:22:07pm |
re: #268 freedomplow
We all know what happened and how Gates reacted.
Wouldn’t catch me going to the White House to hang out with two men that impugned my character.
Agreed, but Sgt. Crowley seems to be a peacemaker.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:22:09pm |
re: #155 Dianna
Considering that his house had been broken into previously, I have to ask about what he thought the police ought to have done?
The police (assisted by Bush, Cheney and Rove) probably were the ones who broke into his house, just so they could set him up for arrest when he got back from vacation!!!
/moonbat mode off/
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:22:11pm |
re: #237 pink freud
What’s an imperfect apology?
Hi, Pink: I was replying to EmmmieG’s post #67, which she said she had a problem with President Clinton’s apologies. The descriptor “imperfect” was of my coinage; sorry if I misrepresented what she said.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:22:26pm |
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Kenneth Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:22:43pm |
re: #316 Elcid
Is it me, or is Obama on the TUBE more then Seinfeld re-runs?
And save it…I like the latter name.
Well, they are both about nothing. Only one is funny.
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NY Nana Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:22:47pm |
re: #252 Wyatt Earp
Thank you very much. But I’m no hero. I’m just a dumb guy doing a great job. :)
You are most welcome. Young man, have you no respect for senior citizens? If I say you are a hero, well then you are! Got that? ;)
And dumb you ain’t.
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acwgusa Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:22:53pm |
re: #310 SixDegrees
It’s not going to sit well with a whole lot of other House Democrats, either. Waxman may very well wind up screwing the pooch and destroying Democratic consensus in the House for the rest of this term, or longer.
What, exactly, do they plan on sending to the floor for a vote, if the committee is unable to complete their portion of the bill?
Waxman has always struck me as less then fully aware. Hearing the wind whistle through his ears and out his nose doesn’t dissuade me of that opinion.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:22:53pm |
re: #326 zombie
“Gates then turned to me and old me that I had no idea who I was ‘messing’ with…”
Did they release the audio today?
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outsidephilly Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:22:54pm |
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:23:00pm |
re: #326 zombie
You’re nobody until you can say “Do you know who I am?” to a cop.
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Randall Gross Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:23:05pm |
re: #284 lobo91
If you look closely at the report, you’ll also note that when Gates did finally show an ID to Crowley, it wasn’t his drivers license. It was his Harvard faculty ID.
There’s no reason anyone would do that, other than to emphasize the “you don’t know who you’re messing with” aspect of the whole thing.
Well yes there is reason. He’s staying in Harvard Faculty housing. It’s his home, but he doesn’t own the house.
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Sharmuta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:23:11pm |
re: #308 Silvergirl
You quit, you bossy thing.
No. I will state my opinion on this story just like everyone else.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:23:17pm |
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:23:29pm |
re: #293 Sharmuta
Stating my opinion that this stupid story is a distraction does not equal an insult to your intelligence or ability to pay attention to more than one thing, so quit defending yourself.
It’s not me I’m defending, Sharmuta. I’m trying to convey that we got it.
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tedzilla99 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:23:30pm |
Yes - he taught us that he is never wrong, about anything, and when he speaks, the subject is closed. Oh and white people are always racist. The End.
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VioletTiger Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:23:49pm |
re: #298 reine.de.tout
I wrote mine regarding ObamaCare and cap & trade.
For whatever it was worth.
I got a response this week to the letter I sent on crap and tax. My repub rep voted YES. It was BS, IMO, but at least he acknowledged my letter. I will write another on Obamacare.
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revobob Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:23:55pm |
re: #251 Dianna
I’m more concerned with my waistline, Mandy. To say nothing of the sight of my hips in the mirror the other morning. Yikes!
This getting older stuff is not for wimps.
Ignore me for a moment. I must go bang my head in the corner and whimper for a bit.
Well I didn’t notice a whole lot with with either your waistline OR your aim! (And yer right about the gettin older stuff.)
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:24:10pm |
re: #337 Lincolntf
You’re nobody until you can say “Do you know who I am?” to a cop.
“Yeah, you’re the guy who’s about to get tasered.”
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:24:34pm |
re: #333 NY Nana
You are most welcome. Young man, have you no respect for senior citizens? If I say you are a hero, well then you are! Got that? ;)
And dumb you ain’t.
Yes, Ma’am! :)
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:24:40pm |
re: #313 Bobibutu
Booker himself would be branded a racist and banned from all major networks/websites nowadays, I have no doubt.
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pink freud Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:24:40pm |
re: #330 ShanghaiEd
Hi, Pink: I was replying to EmmmieG’s post #67, which she said she had a problem with President Clinton’s apologies. The descriptor “imperfect” was of my coinage; sorry if I misrepresented what she said.
I knew you were replying to EmmieG about Clinton’s apology and I acknowledge your coinage. I’m still wondering what an imperfect apology is.
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Silvergirl Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:24:55pm |
re: #340 Sharmuta
No. I will state my opinion on this story just like everyone else.
Right. So is Dianna. So why does she need to quit defending herself as you asked her to?
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subsailor68 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:25:02pm |
re: #318 wahabicorridor
I think they’re talking about the ‘sustainable growth rate’ SRG. Promising to modify it was how they got the AMA’s endorsement.
Hi wahabi! I’m sure you’re right. I just don’t see how that can be done, without further exacerbating the overall Medicare problem. How many times, from both parties, have we heard the old mantra “we can fix this by addressing waste, fraud, and abuse”, when the reality is that the area that must be fixed is spending?
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Sharmuta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:25:22pm |
re: #352 Silvergirl
Because my opinion is not an accusation.
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jcm Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:25:27pm |
re: #261 Wyatt Earp
I work in North Philly. Its residents are primarily African-American. Sadly, we get a lot of responses like the ones Gates used. We try to ignore it and move on. And no, it’s not easy.
I’ve done enough ride alongs with cops, pull some one over for a traffic violation or something and the first thing out of their mouths, you stopped me because I’m …
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:25:52pm |
re: #350 Lincolntf
Booker himself would be branded a racist and banned from all major networks/websites nowadays, I have no doubt.
What about the MG’s? How do you think they would fare?
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Wyatt Earp Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:25:53pm |
Well, work is calling! Thanks for listening Lizards! Have a terrific day!
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calcajun Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:25:58pm |
re: #337 Lincolntf
The answer from the cop is usually, “Yes. You’re my pinata for the day!”
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formercorpsman Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:26:00pm |
re: #336 outsidephilly
I was referencing your own son. (I know that area is having a pretty bad problem with the drugs now) I am fully aware what they are up against sometimes. Just like the military, I have a special place in my heart for the civil services as well.
Thanks for the condolences. He was a hell a of a guy. Chi.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:26:11pm |
re: #357 Wyatt Earp
Well, work is calling! Thanks for listening Lizards! Have a terrific day!
See ya, Wyatt.
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jcbunga Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:26:24pm |
Just when I think this guy can’t get any more inane, he blasts through to entirely new and unexplored depths of inanity.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:26:35pm |
re: #360 calcajun
The answer from the cop is usually, “Yes. You’re my pinata for the day!”
“You’re the guy who’s about to get his ass kicked.”
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scottishbuzzsaw Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:26:50pm |
Weekend starts early…have a great one, everybody!
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outsidephilly Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:26:51pm |
re: #311 Wyatt Earp
Always. Thank you.
My car’s mirror was knocked off by a passing motorist the other night. When the police arrived, they asked for my ID. These guys knew me, they know my son, yet, they wanted ID and gave them my ID - without any cocky comments
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:27:10pm |
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:27:11pm |
re: #353 subsailor68
Hi wahabi! I’m sure you’re right. I just don’t see how that can be done, without further exacerbating the overall Medicare problem. How many times, from both parties, have we heard the old mantra “we can fix this by addressing waste, fraud, and abuse”, when the reality is that the area that must be fixed is spending?
Problem is though, unless they up the reimbursements (which are pretty low), the docs will stop treating medicare and medicaid patients.
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wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:27:16pm |
re: #353 subsailor68
I just don’t see how that can be done, without further exacerbating the overall Medicare problem
It can’t be done. Bullshit. All of it.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:27:36pm |
I keep picturing Gates as Ronnie Dobbs from Mr. Show.
“Y’all are brutalizin’ me!”
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horse Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:27:45pm |
Perhaps he means it was a teachable moment for the press. If they keep covering this, they will destroy his presidency, because it’s not about him or politics, it’s about victims … and the children, especially about all the children who need government managed health care. Get on my message and help make me successful, teachable movement over.
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Macker Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:28:05pm |
re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Just remember that the police can’t be trusted really. After all they backed McCain.
Today’s lesson: If you’re not with Obama, you’re against him.
You don’t say…
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Silvergirl Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:28:17pm |
re: #354 Sharmuta
Because my opinion is not an accusation.
You lost me. It may not be an accusation, but what is the complaint about what people are talking about (not just this time) and being “distracted” by? Why do you direct Dianna’s words and your own are to be left alone?
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JPL17 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:28:17pm |
re: #20 simonml
“I’m sorry you guys are upset.” -BHO
My dad would slap me when I gave a bogus apology like that
Yeah, it’s a lot like the apology I sometimes get from my wife, e.g., “I’m sorry you’re so stupid.”
When she says it, though, I laugh; when Obama says it, I want to throw my sneaker at the TV set.
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outsidephilly Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:28:24pm |
re: #361 formercorpsman
I was referencing your own son. (I know that area is having a pretty bad problem with the drugs now) I am fully aware what they are up against sometimes. Just like the military, I have a special place in my heart for the civil services as well.
Thanks for the condolences. He was a hell a of a guy. Chi.
Lately, that area is quite similar to North philly
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doppelganglander Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:28:30pm |
re: #313 Bobibutu
Posted yesterday topside:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
“There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public.
Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays.
Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”
- Booker T. Washington (1856-1915.)
Did he know Al Sharpton’s great-great-great grandfather? I’d love to know where that quote came from.
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lobo91 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:29:00pm |
re: #339 Thanos
Well yes there is reason. He’s staying in Harvard Faculty housing. It’s his home, but he doesn’t own the house.
I seriously doubt that his faculty ID includes his home address, thogh, which his drivers license would.
Thus proving that it was, indeed, his residence (which is ultimately what the cop was trying to ascertain). Who holds the deed to the property is irrelevant.
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lifeofthemind Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:29:13pm |
Failing to follow proper instructions from a Law Enforcement Officer can get you arrested for impeding a lawful government activity.
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subsailor68 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:31:04pm |
re: #368 Creeping Eruption
Problem is though, unless they up the reimbursements (which are pretty low), the docs will stop treating medicare and medicaid patients.
Now that’s a fact. It’s already happening in our town - which has an extremely large retired population. Our docs hate it, but the reality is there are only so many hours in a day, and they have to make economic decisions needed to keep their practices open.
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Wendya Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:31:05pm |
re: #183 Sharmuta
It’s a brilliant distraction. While we’re watching the birdie:House Democrats clearing one health care obstacle
Squirrel!
Seriously though, if the house wants to cram this through, bypassing the committee, they’ll not only lose the blue dogs, they poison the Senate vote as well.
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NY Nana Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:31:12pm |
re: #349 Wyatt Earp
Yes, Ma’am! :)
Extra dessert for you!
BBL…didn’t realize how late it is until I took my blood sugar. Got to eat lunch.
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Syrah Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:31:14pm |
Who should not have a say in your health care choices?
[ ] 1. Doctors.
[ ] 2. Insurance Companies that you contract with.
[ ] 3. Politicians.
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formercorpsman Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:31:22pm |
re: #375 outsidephilly
Yeah. I was at a local pizza joint you would know, perhaps might have even had lunch at while working.
Hypodermic sitting in the bathroom trash can.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:31:26pm |
re: #6 mbruce
Yup, people are learning that the king is nekkid
The king is not naked—the empty suit of clothes has no king in it.
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:31:29pm |
re: #356 Creeping Eruption
MG’s? I apologize if I should already know this, but I don’t.
What’s an MG?
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Bob Dillon Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:31:35pm |
re: #376 doppelganglander
Did he know Al Sharpton’s great-great-great grandfather? I’d love to know where that quote came from.
[Link: www.historycooperative.org…]
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Balian1193 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:32:13pm |
Well, Obama had no choice. The Cambridge PD had audio tapes of the incident and was threatening to release it.
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dhg4 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:32:35pm |
“Teachable moment?” You mean for a white electorate over 90% of whom voted for McCain despite Obama’s superior experience?
What?
Oh never mind.
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outsidephilly Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:32:50pm |
re: #381 NY Nana
Extra dessert for you!
BBL…didn’t realize how late it is until I took my blood sugar. Got to eat lunch.
check your sugar BEFORE you eat :]
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Wendya Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:33:18pm |
re: #387 Balian1193
Well, Obama had no choice. The Cambridge PD had audio tapes of the incident and was threatening to release it.
Of course he had a choice. He could have chosen to apologize rather than lie and try to spin his initial remarks into something harmless.
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:33:29pm |
re: #345 revobob
Well I didn’t notice a whole lot with with either your waistline OR your aim! (And yer right about the gettin older stuff.)
Thank you. And the getting older bit? I got out my bike last weekend, and about died over a two mile ride. I’ve spent the last week re-conditioning, and it’s not going smoothly.
I’m so, so, so irritated.
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:34:09pm |
re: #312 kynna
You’re saying Bush had some things to apologize for, but he didn’t, is that right? Can you cite those examples of one or two of those things? I can’t think of any. Not that he did anything wrong in his presidency, they just weren’t the kinds of things people apologize for. You know, like calling others stupid when you don’t even know the facts regarding the situation.
Can you give some examples? Links would be great, but even just naming them would help.
kynna: Here’s my point. I’m certainly not an Obama defender; my pet peeve is double standards. IMO, every president did and does many things that require apologies. It just seems strange to me that President Bush is the only president in my lifetime who never apologized for anything, or acknowledged he had made any mistakes. And he was highly praised for this, on blogs, because to acknowledge any imperfection would just be “giving the libs ammunition.”
I’m just saying, what would be the response now if President Obama went four years, or eight years, without acknowledging any mistakes. What would he be called? I don’t think he’d be praised for not giving the wingnuts any ammuntion, do you? Double standard.
And what do you think is an example of a mistake that “isn’t the kind of thing you apologize for”?
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outsidephilly Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:34:40pm |
re: #383 formercorpsman
Yeah. I was at a local pizza joint you would know, perhaps might have even had lunch at while working.
Hypodermic sitting in the bathroom trash can.
…, good thing you have eyes that notice things! What if you had pushed that paper towel deep into the wastecan and didn’t notice, then got pricked…
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:35:14pm |
re: #352 Silvergirl
Right. So is Dianna. So why does she need to quit defending herself as you asked her to?
I’m not defending myself!
I was trying (and, as usual, probably failing) to diplomatically point out that the nail is down to its head in the board.
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:35:20pm |
re: #387 Balian1193
I wonder if an FOIA request could get them?
Of course, we’re dealing with a Harvard Prof. in Cambridge, so the “delete” button may have already been “accidentally” pushed.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:35:33pm |
re: #385 Lincolntf
MG’s? I apologize if I should already know this, but I don’t.
What’s an MG?
Booker T’s band.
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Bob Dillon Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:35:54pm |
re: #350 Lincolntf
Booker himself would be branded a racist and banned from all major networks/websites nowadays, I have no doubt.
Sad and most likely true.
Speaking the truth and what we believe to be true carries risk.
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jcm Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:35:56pm |
re: #357 Wyatt Earp
Well, work is calling! Thanks for listening Lizards! Have a terrific day!
Stay safe, stay safe friend.
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Silvergirl Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:36:31pm |
re: #394 Dianna
I’m not defending myself!
I was trying (and, as usual, probably failing) to diplomatically point out that the nail is down to its head in the board.
I should have said, defending your point of view. Sorry about that.
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formercorpsman Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:36:43pm |
re: #393 outsidephilly
I used to play video games there when I young. It hit home.
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doppelganglander Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:36:55pm |
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albusteve Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:37:06pm |
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:37:57pm |
re: #354 Sharmuta
Because my opinion is not an accusation.
No, it wasn’t, and I didn’t respond as if it were.
I was trying to gently hint that we get it. We’ve heard your opinion on this matter for three days. We understand. We grok!
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wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:38:08pm |
re: #395 Lincolntf
I wonder if an FOIA request could get them?
Of course, we’re dealing with a Harvard Prof. in Cambridge, so the “delete” button may have already been “accidentally” pushed.
I thought in the conference the cops had today they said the city solicitor had the tapes. Which told me they gearing up for a lawsuit by Gates and will use it in defense.
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Bob Dillon Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:38:10pm |
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:38:13pm |
re: #396 Mad Al-Jaffee
Thank you. I now feel suitably chastened for not getting the music reference.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:38:27pm |
re: #391 Dianna
When I first started biking, a little over a year ago, I had trouble doing just a couple of miles. I kept with it, and it got much easier. I did a 38 mile trip last weekend with my bike club, and that was on roads, with lots of hills (I ride flat trails when I go solo.)
Keep up with it! It will get better.
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outsidephilly Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:38:32pm |
re: #400 formercorpsman
I used to play video games there when I young. It hit home.
They have the best pizza!
Sadly, the ‘activity’ there is hard to control
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J.D. Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:39:07pm |
It would be tragic if the president whose election has done so much to help this nation advance beyond its racial divides showed he was unable to rise above them. That would be a waste of a teaching moment. Either that, or it would be a very educational one.
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:39:36pm |
re: #237 pink freud
What’s an imperfect apology?
Well, the obvious example is the subject of this thread, right? I assumed that’s what we were talking about.
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Lincolntf Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:39:55pm |
re: #406 wahabicorridor
He did say that, which I think prompted Obama to do his little tap dance.
Whether or not they come out is still up in the air as far as I know.
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zzzzzzzzzz..... Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:40:09pm |
I hope he gets as little acomplished as possible…That is our only hope…
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:40:42pm |
re: #368 Creeping Eruption
Problem is though, unless they up the reimbursements (which are pretty low), the docs will stop treating medicare and medicaid patients.
Which will throw more and more pressure on hospital emergency rooms, won’t it? Those and the clinics.
Worrisome.
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wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:41:11pm |
re: #413 Lincolntf
He did say that, which I think prompted Obama to do his little tap dance.
Whether or not they come out is still up in the air as far as I know.
Exactly.
Now let’s hear Gates apologize. And the mayor and the governor.
Slugs. All of ‘em
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outsidephilly Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:41:16pm |
re: #400 formercorpsman
well, my friend, gotta go - see ya later tonight, maybe?
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Sharmuta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:41:37pm |
re: #373 Silvergirl
Maybe you should go back and re-read the thread. Dianna commented to me before I said anything directly to her. So who is “direction” who? I was basically told I should stop posting my opinion. I’ve told no one to stop posting theirs.
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:42:06pm |
re: #409 Mad Al-Jaffee
When I first started biking, a little over a year ago, I had trouble doing just a couple of miles. I kept with it, and it got much easier. I did a 38 mile trip last weekend with my bike club, and that was on roads, with lots of hills (I ride flat trails when I go solo.)
Keep up with it! It will get better.
I sure hope so. Man, but it used to take just a couple days, and (frankly), the first ride of the season would be a five-mile “out and back” ride by a creek. Now? Last weekend? I was out of breath and shaky. It’s just pitiful.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:42:19pm |
a teachable moment? maybe
a “learnable” (for Obama) moment? not holding breath
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midwestgak Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:42:46pm |
re: #400 formercorpsman
I used to play video games there when I young. It hit home.
I used to manually turn the knob on the TV set when I was young.
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outsidephilly Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:43:25pm |
re: #418 Sharmuta
Maybe you should go back and re-read the thread. Dianna commented to me before I said anything directly to her. So who is “direction” who? I was basically told I should stop posting my opinion. I’ve told no one to stop posting theirs.
Sharm, please don’t stop posting…, your words often get my brain ‘thinking’
I would surely miss ‘seeing’ you!
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kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:44:17pm |
re: #392 ShanghaiEd
kynna: Here’s my point. I’m certainly not an Obama defender; my pet peeve is double standards. IMO, every president did and does many things that require apologies. It just seems strange to me that President Bush is the only president in my lifetime who never apologized for anything, or acknowledged he had made any mistakes. And he was highly praised for this, on blogs, because to acknowledge any imperfection would just be “giving the libs ammunition.”
I’m just saying, what would be the response now if President Obama went four years, or eight years, without acknowledging any mistakes. What would he be called? I don’t think he’d be praised for not giving the wingnuts any ammuntion, do you? Double standard.
And what do you think is an example of a mistake that “isn’t the kind of thing you apologize for”?
Signing campaign finance reform. He could have apologized for that, I suppose, but most presidents to apologize for signing legislation.
The first stimulus of the meltdown. He could have apologized for that, but I think he really meant for it to help.
Those are things I didn’t like in his administration but, because of the nature of the issue — particularly policy and legislation — it isn’t the kind of thing a president apologizes for.
To my knowledge he never said anything like what Obama said. That kind of snotty remark needs an apology.
And you’re still not citing anything specific. What mistakes did all these other presidents admit to while they were in office?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:44:17pm |
re: #412 ShanghaiEd
Well, the obvious example is the subject of this thread, right? I assumed that’s what we were talking about.
On that score, I do agree with you. This is an imperfect apology.
I just don’t think a US President should apologize for something which was done before he (and everyone else living) was born, and/or something for which only some Americans believe was wrong to do in the first place, and which fall along controversial party lines.
He can give his opinion it was wrong all day, but you can only apologize for your own garbage.
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formercorpsman Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:44:26pm |
re: #410 outsidephilly
I know. It kills to think it has come to that. It was an excellent place to grow up. Trick or treat central.
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:45:10pm |
re: #385 Lincolntf
MG’s? I apologize if I should already know this, but I don’t.
What’s an MG?
Booker T and the MG’s: Green Onions
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formercorpsman Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:46:04pm |
re: #421 midwestgak
My brothers and I were the remote too. (I think we got our first remote TV around 1982)
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:46:27pm |
re: #421 midwestgak
I used to manually turn the knob on the TV set when I was young.
gak: You whippersnapper. I watched TV back when knobs hadn’t been invented yet. You watched what was on and you liked it, or else you unplugged the set. Kids these days…
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hazzyday Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:46:40pm |
Teachable Moment here = Hubris
What I learned from listening to the teacher today.
1. The police are stupid. You can quote me on that.
2. My friends are innocent and beyond reproach for their ill mannered behaviors. I have a lot of them like that.
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:47:15pm |
re: #418 Sharmuta
Maybe you should go back and re-read the thread. Dianna commented to me before I said anything directly to her. So who is “direction” who? I was basically told I should stop posting my opinion. I’ve told no one to stop posting theirs.
Don’t turn this into a fight. I’ve explained what I was doing. Silvergirl has a point. Just acknowledge it, and move on.
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:47:25pm |
re: #415 Dianna
Which will throw more and more pressure on hospital emergency rooms, won’t it? Those and the clinics.
Worrisome.
Probably.
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Picayune Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:47:37pm |
(pardon my tardiness, class, the wife just dropped by, so here’s my post from the last thread)
Yep, right on cue - Gates goes under the bus, like so many before him!
BHO did the right thing here, really the only thing he could do, given that the MA police union “dug in their heals really hard this morning at their press conference, and immediately received growing national support from police officers everywhere and with it, shifting public opinion to their side, at Obama’s expense. Old honest Abe said it all when he said that in America, public opinion is everything - and BHO understands this well.
This is damage control on the fly, and BHO shows good judgment to respond quickly to an event that was only overwhelming the WH and POTUS.
But don’t expect the grievance hustlers to go quietly, quite the contrary, get ready for the hand wringing and howling to break out in ever larger volume - as “victims”, hell bent for attention and perhaps even revenge now that BHO is POTUS, that are so deluded with self-righteous conviction that their their vision is currently blind to the proper resolution to what is for Barack, a major distraction, as his poll numbers slide, and with them, his ability to sign into law the policies that he has promised to so many.
I doubt that many in this minority group will comprehend BHO’s current dilemma and understand his actions, and why he had little choice to do otherwise.
Who wins here? Well, Barak, Sgt. Crowley, and most of the public who are more concerned about our economic house being on fire just now. Who tanks? Gates, Soladide(sp?) O’Brien, and race hustlers on both sides of the issue.
I knew that this would be a fun episode to witness! But will Sgt. Crowley get to have BHO’s proffered beer at the WH, where he can explain to Obama and all that he was criminally profiling Gates - not racially profiling him, and ask Barack to “splain” it to the noted Harvard scholar on racism?
(continuing…)
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:48:24pm |
re: #422 outsidephilly
Sharm, please don’t stop posting…, your words often get my brain ‘thinking’
I would surely miss ‘seeing’ you!
The last thing in the world anyone wants is for Sharmuta to stop posting.
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outsidephilly Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:49:12pm |
re: #434 Dianna
The last thing in the world anyone wants is for Sharmuta to stop posting.
I with ya there!
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Silvergirl Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:49:16pm |
re: #429 ShanghaiEd
gak: You whippersnapper. I watched TV back when knobs hadn’t been invented yet. You watched what was on and you liked it, or else you unplugged the set. Kids these days…
Love it. This has the flavor of Monty Python’s Four Yorkshiremen sketch.
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yenta-fada Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:49:19pm |
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lifeofthemind Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:49:19pm |
re: #429 ShanghaiEd
gak: You whippersnapper. I watched TV back when knobs hadn’t been invented yet. You watched what was on and you liked it, or else you unplugged the set. Kids these days…
My Father learned to drive in a car that didn’t have a gas pedal, just a pin sticking up from the floor.
Furthermore when he went to school it was 5 miles through the snow every day and uphill both directions.
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Sharmuta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:49:48pm |
re: #431 Dianna
Don’t turn this into a fight. I’ve explained what I was doing. Silvergirl has a point. Just acknowledge it, and move on.
I acknowledge no points. I’m free to post my opinions just like everyone else.
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Capitalistincharge Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:50:39pm |
re: #176 wahabicorridor
A bright light in this day of dark politics. Maybe true reform can happen if we take the time to research why costs are so high and what the successful Med centers are doing (Mayo, Cleveland). Then perhaps they can put together a plan blueprint for the States to administer, leaving the Fed out of it. Success would not be claimed by either side and that will never fly. This is about the politicians because it certainly isn’t about the American public. Everyone I talk to, from right and left, are completely disgusted with Congress and Obama and their rush to get this done without due-diligence.
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Sharmuta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:50:45pm |
re: #434 Dianna
The last thing in the world anyone wants is for Sharmuta to stop posting.
Unless it’s my opinion on this story.
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:51:25pm |
re: #424 EmmmieG
On that score, I do agree with you. This is an imperfect apology.
I just don’t think a US President should apologize for something which was done before he (and everyone else living) was born, and/or something for which only some Americans believe was wrong to do in the first place, and which fall along controversial party lines.
He can give his opinion it was wrong all day, but you can only apologize for your own garbage.
Glad we’re in agreement on that!
Yes, every president has his own garbage. Do you agree it was a double standard that President Bush never apologized for his garbage, unlike the other presidents during my lifetime, and was even praised by his supporters for not doing so?
If so, we’ll be good to go, and I’ll be out of your hair on this subject. :)
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Silvergirl Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:51:41pm |
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pink freud Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:51:59pm |
re: #412 ShanghaiEd
Well, the obvious example is the subject of this thread, right? I assumed that’s what we were talking about.
The subject of the thread, or at least the content, is about the complete lack of an apology.
This is not a fine distinction.
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:52:19pm |
re: #439 Sharmuta
I acknowledge no points. I’m free to post my opinions just like everyone else.
Did I say not? No, I didn’t. So why are you trying to say I am?
Thank you for keeping us posted on the health care bill’s progress. Thanks for the other links.
I was - gently - trying to let you know we all know your opinion on this subject.
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HippieforLife Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:52:26pm |
I read where Madeline Notsobright said that because the O is pres that Americans traveling overseas no longer need to pretend that they are from Canada.
Funny how the O refers to himself as “African” before American. (no, not a nirther!)
| 447 |
iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:52:54pm |
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:53:38pm |
re: #441 Sharmuta
Unless it’s my opinion on this story.
Sigh.
It’s the repetition over three days I was commenting on. Not your opinion qua opinion.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:53:55pm |
re: #442 ShanghaiEd
Glad we’re in agreement on that!
Yes, every president has his own garbage. Do you agree it was a double standard that President Bush never apologized for his garbage, unlike the other presidents during my lifetime, and was even praised by his supporters for not doing so?
If so, we’ll be good to go, and I’ll be out of your hair on this subject. :)
What do you think he should have apologized for?
| 451 |
Caboose Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:53:55pm |
Sorta on-topic:
This guy has to be a Democrat that voted for the Chosen One…
| 452 |
FrogMarch Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:54:05pm |
Even Obama’s damage control is narcissistic.
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nonic Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:54:14pm |
Obama, I hope one of your minions reads my comment and gets this information to you. You said blacks are “sensitive” to these issues, i.e. imagined profiling. Well, whites are also sensitive to being called “racist” over every little thing that inconveniences anybody who is not white. I did not vote for you. It was not because I am racist. It was because I thought you would be an inferior president pursuing what I perceive as unwise policies and agenda. It was and is my legitimate right to have such an opinion. You are now whining and tsk’ing over the “controversy” about the Gates arrest. You are incorrect on what is the basis of the controversy. It’s not the arrest — that would have worked itself out as all such local police matters do. It was the fact that YOU wrongly inserted yourself into a local police matter, that YOU made a prejudiced judgment all the while acknowledging that you did not know the facts, that YOU used your “teachable moment” to teach the American people that despite campaign promises you are not the “post-racial” rainbow leader many hoped you were. I hope YOU have learned something from this incident. I am confident that the American voters have.
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kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:54:15pm |
re: #442 ShanghaiEd
Glad we’re in agreement on that!
Yes, every president has his own garbage. Do you agree it was a double standard that President Bush never apologized for his garbage, unlike the other presidents during my lifetime, and was even praised by his supporters for not doing so?
If so, we’ll be good to go, and I’ll be out of your hair on this subject. :)
What. Freaking. Garbage?
Please. You think Bush owes some apology for some thing and I just want to know what that thing is/was.
Dang.
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kansas Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:54:28pm |
re: #240 zombie
Also, this has more to do with privilege than race. Gates apparently yelled “You have no idea who you’re dealing with!”, which is exactly the kind of thing a privileged member of the elite yells at a lowly beat cop who makes the mistake of not kowtowing to the person in authority.
Other than the fact Gates was yelling racism it was about privilege.
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wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:54:31pm |
re: #440 Capitalistincharge
Did you see what Elcid just posted in the spinoffs -
Just rec’d email from ‘redstate’
BREAKING NEWS UPDATE: A RedState source sat behind a top aide to Rep. Paul Tonko (D-NY) and heard the aide admit that “the increase in Hospice care which will solve the prolonging of life issue.” As you know, Democrats have been open about their desire to push seniors toward euthanasia as a cost savings option. In fact, the Democrats already have in the legislation a provision requiring senior citizens to receive instructions every five years on dying with dignity.
Full story on the latest revelations below:
[ ]
The two were talking about whether Tonko would even be given time to read the bill. She told the lobbyist, “well he pays me to read it for him”.
“[The] costliest part [of the Obama healthcare bill] will be the physician’s rate cut,” she said. Lots of political capital is going to be spent to get that through.
And, for the crowning glory, the aide feels that “probably the best part of the bill is the increase in Hospice care which will solve the prolonging of life issue.”
This seems to prove the argument that the Obama bureaucrats will eventually decide who lives and who dies.
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:55:31pm |
re: #436 Silvergirl
Love it. This has the flavor of Monty Python’s Four Yorkshiremen sketch.
Thanks, silver. I’m honored; I’ve never prompted the first Monty Python mention in a thread, before… :)
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Son of the Black Dog Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:56:27pm |
Appropriate to this thread:
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:56:28pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:56:48pm |
re: #449 Dianna
Sigh.
It’s the repetition over three days I was commenting on. Not your opinion qua opinion.
As opposed to the repetition of everyone else’s comments?!
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Jimmah Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:57:39pm |
re: #447 iceweasel
Withnail!
“I demand to have some booze!”
Actually, I think I am going to go off and sink a couple. See you later:)
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:58:04pm |
re: #461 Sharmuta
As opposed to the repetition of everyone else’s comments?!
Well, some of us have tried to be original. Perhaps we failed. Sorry.
The problem on this blog is that everyone types so fast, we find ourselves with nothing left to say but, “Me, too!”
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:58:44pm |
Girls (will that get me in trouble?)?
Er…ladies?
It’s been a tough couple of days on LGF. I hate to see two such brilliant posters disagreeing over something this small.
(I have some lovely chocolate-chocolate cookies I could bring out.)
| 466 |
SFGoth Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:59:29pm |
re: #461 Sharmuta
re: #449 Dianna
Sigh.
It’s the repetition over three days I was commenting on. Not your opinion qua opinion.
As opposed to the repetition of everyone else’s comments?!
Kitty fight!
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:00:32pm |
re: #454 kynna
What. Freaking. Garbage?
Please. You think Bush owes some apology for some thing and I just want to know what that thing is/was.
Dang.
OK, here’s one off the top of my head: Trying to sell U.S. ports to a foreign country, if the middle of two wars?
| 468 |
mikeymom Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:00:49pm |
i’d just like to remind dianna and sharmuta that charles has warned about carrying on personal sqabbles on a thread—just sayin’—be careful
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Silvergirl Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:00:52pm |
re: #465 EmmmieG
Girls (will that get me in trouble?)?
Er…ladies?
It’s been a tough couple of days on LGF. I hate to see two such brilliant posters disagreeing over something this small.
(I have some lovely chocolate-chocolate cookies I could bring out.)
I offered chocolate. But I’ll have one of your double chocolate cookies too.
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Capitalistincharge Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:01:56pm |
re: #457 wahabicorridor
Where did the morality and humanity go in the liberal agenda. Do they all hate their Grandparents or something?
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midwestgak Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:02:16pm |
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BIGDUKE 6 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:02:35pm |
The Hubris of a teachable moment . The Noive.
This one cant even admit when he’s wrong.
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wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:03:00pm |
re: #470 Capitalistincharge
It didn’t go anywhere. It was never there in the first place.
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Sharmuta Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:04:15pm |
re: #463 Dianna
Well, some of us have tried to be original. Perhaps we failed. Sorry.
The problem on this blog is that everyone types so fast, we find ourselves with nothing left to say but, “Me, too!”
I wouldn’t really know. To tell the truth- I’m not reading 90% of the comments on these threads. I just think it’s a little unfair to call me repetitive when many folks are being repetitive too. Not a criticism, mind you. Just an observation.
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:04:21pm |
re: #438 lifeofthemind
My Father learned to drive in a car that didn’t have a gas pedal, just a pin sticking up from the floor.
Furthermore when he went to school it was 5 miles through the snow every day and uphill both directions.
life: Paradise. Paradise!
My father was born before electrical plugs were invented, and he had to watch TV 24 hours a day, 10 miles through the snow to school and uphill both directions. And carrying his brothers in his backpack.
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wahabicorridor Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:04:23pm |
re: #474 buzzsawmonkey
Didn’t you see Sarah Silverman’s “Big Schlep” pro-Obama video? That thing dripped with hatred and contempt for her grandparents.
I can’t bear watching the woman. What did she say?
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hazzyday Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:04:54pm |
re: #468 mikeymom
i’d just like to remind dianna and sharmuta that charles has warned about carrying on personal sqabbles on a thread—just sayin’—be careful
Spanking is in order..
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mikeymom Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:06:05pm |
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DaddyG Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:06:13pm |
re: #26 jcm
I should not as President have stepped into it.
Well duh.
Don’t dump it in the first place and there wont be any danger of stepping in it.
This president really is worse than I thought he could be. And I was setting a low bar.
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:06:54pm |
re: #465 EmmmieG
Girls (will that get me in trouble?)?
Er…ladies?
It’s been a tough couple of days on LGF. I hate to see two such brilliant posters disagreeing over something this small.
(I have some lovely chocolate-chocolate cookies I could bring out.)
Thanks, Emmmie.
Don’t worry about it. We’ll get over it.
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kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:07:07pm |
re: #467 ShanghaiEd
OK, here’s one off the top of my head: Trying to sell U.S. ports to a foreign country, if the middle of two wars?
That is not the same thing. And, if you know the facts it was not ‘selling ports’. It was licensing management, IIRC. Look it up. It’s also a policy/legislation type of issue, and was/is perfectly legal. Whether I agree with the decision or not, it wasn’t illegal and wasn’t an insult and was not what it was made out to be. No apology warranted.
You’re not going to find an instance where George Bush made fun of the handicapped, called someone stupid for doing their job, or gave a foreign dignitary a gift that may as well have been a spit in the face.
I’m open. I may even think of something myself, but I’d love to see what you come up with.
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HippieforLife Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:07:39pm |
Boy, the O must really hate his mother and grandparents. How dare they are enough about a “black” boy to raise him, provide him with love and family.
Tell me again how much his father or his father’s family contributed to his upbringing. Oh, his skin color and his name. Big whoop. It is the way it is. I happen to be white, blond and have blue eyes because both my parents were white, blond and had blue eyes.
I would think that he should have a much better idea of being both black and white. I refuse to be hit by his “racist” club.
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Dianna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:08:18pm |
re: #475 Sharmuta
I wouldn’t really know. To tell the truth- I’m not reading 90% of the comments on these threads. I just think it’s a little unfair to call me repetitive when many folks are being repetitive too. Not a criticism, mind you. Just an observation.
Oh, sharmuta, not nice.
I’m going to go do something else for a while. Like, oh, deal with my mother. That will surely make my mood so much worse that the next person who tries to pick a fight will get one.
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hazzyday Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:08:32pm |
re: #456 kansas
Other than the fact Gates was yelling racism it was about privilege.
“You have no idea who you’re dealing with!”
This has occurred two times in my life. Both time the person yelling it was served notice and demoted from their special position. And one of them quit a few days later. It brands the person as a nincompoop.
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midwestgak Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:09:14pm |
re: #468 mikeymom
i’d just like to remind dianna and sharmuta that charles has warned about carrying on personal sqabbles on a thread—just sayin’—be careful
I’ve not had such a give and take like these two have here at LGF. But if I were ever tempted to, it’s good to know that it is discouraged. Another LGF rule learned here today. Thanks dianna and sharmuta. Something good came from it.
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Throbert McGee Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:09:40pm |
I completely agree that this ought to be a teaching moment — specifically, Herr Doktor Doktor Professor Gates should somehow be taught to stop acting like a fucking drama queen with a chip on his shoulder. Furthermore, he needs to be taught that it is psychologically impossible to “humiliate” a man who has the correct balance of earned self-esteem and personal humility. On the other hand, it’s a cinch to humiliate pompous, humorless assholes whose self-worth comes entirely from other people’s praise.
Earlier, I was reading Mr. Gates’ own account of what happened — that is, his own attempt to put himself in the best possible light, written a few days after the incident, at which point he ought to have been cooled down:
And he said, “Would you step outside onto the porch.” And the way he said it, I knew he wasn’t canvassing for the police benevolent association. All the hairs stood up on the back of my neck, and I realized that I was in danger. And I said to him no, out of instinct. I said, “No, I will not.”
[…]
So he’s looking at my ID, he asked me another question, which I refused to answer. And I said I want your name and your badge number because I want to file a complaint because of the way he had treated me at the front door. He didn’t say, “Excuse me, sir, is there a disturbance here, is this your house?”— he demanded that I step out on the porch, and I don’t think he would have done that if I was a white person.”But at that point, I realized that I was in danger. And so I said to him that I want your name, and I want your badge number and I said it repeatedly.
And what I kept thinking was, “For fuck’s sake, can this loser feel a pea through 20 layers of mattresses, too?”
Free clue for Gates: you are not a delicate princess, you are merely a high-strung Haah-vad perfesser who has a gigantic sense of class entitlement because you can write passably well and once got a MacArthur Genius Grant — yet despite your genius, you seem to confuse all white cops with Bull Connor.
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averagecdn Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:10:02pm |
I don’t want to put on a tinfoil hat and have to wear a “proud nirther/truther live free or die Ron Paul 2012” t-shirt because I sound like a conspiracy theorist.
But…
Did this whole white cop/cranky black professor thing just push healthcare off the radar enough to squeak it through?
It seems like an almost cynical ploy to move peoples attention to something that will blow over shortly, while they try to Rahm through healthcare bill.
Didn’t this question seem very convenient?
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pingjockey Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:10:08pm |
Afternoon folks! Hope everyone is doing okay. Teachable moment as in how to get the race baiters all fired up?!
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:10:34pm |
re: #482 kynna
You’re not going to find an instance where George Bush made fun of the handicapped…
Like telling the blind man at the press conference to take his sunglasses off?
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kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:10:52pm |
re: #467 ShanghaiEd
OK, here’s one off the top of my head: Trying to sell U.S. ports to a foreign country, if the middle of two wars?
Here’s a story on that ports deal. It’s pretty interesting with a lot of facts and perspective. No apology from Bush necessary. In fact, I think he is probably the one owed the apology in this case.
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mikeymom Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:11:47pm |
my interpretation of nevergiveup’s banning yesterday was that he kept badgering killgore trout after repeated warnings by charles.
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kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:11:52pm |
re: #492 ShanghaiEd
Like telling the blind man at the press conference to take his sunglasses off?
Link, please. Was he making fun? Or did he not know the man was blind. And to whom does he owe the apology? I’ll betcha the man himself got one.
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hazzyday Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:13:27pm |
re: #489 Throbert McGee
We’ll see him and Pres Obama someday walking along Harvard streets in their teachers berets smoking cool foreign cigarettes talking about the good old days of race baiting.
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iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:13:35pm |
re: #462 Jimmah
“I demand to have some booze!”
Actually, I think I am going to go off and sink a couple. See you later:)
I hope you’ll demand the finest wines available. Also cake. :)
Later.
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Kenneth Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:13:37pm |
re: #467 ShanghaiEd
OK, here’s one off the top of my head: Trying to sell U.S. ports to a foreign country, if the middle of two wars?
Several factual errors there, buddy. The port deal was about approving the purchase of a foreign owned port operation management company to another foreign owed port operation management company.
United Arab Emirates Firm May Oversee 6 U.S. Ports
A company in the United Arab Emirates is poised to take over significant operations at six American ports as part of a corporate sale, leaving a country with ties to the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers with influence over a maritime industry considered vulnerable to terrorism.
The Bush administration considers the UAE an important ally in the fight against terrorism since the suicide hijackings and is not objecting to Dubai Ports World’s purchase of London-based Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co.
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formercorpsman Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:13:56pm |
re: #491 pingjockey
Now that would be the real Matrix.
(I assume because I have never watched the movies)
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Capitalistincharge Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:14:18pm |
It is heartening to hear diehard Liberal Friends comment that they think Obama and Congress are trying to strip us of our Freedoms. My neighbor even commented that if Obama walked through the neighborhood he would head for the house cause he’d be afraid to talk to him out of fear of having his family destroyed. Isn’t that about the saddest commentary on what this Administration has done to citizens perception of who owns this Country.
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Diamond Bullet Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:15:07pm |
After watching Obama fumble through his 6th daily “exclusive” press conference, I have to say: it was like the Special Olympics.
Oooo, too soon?
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hazzyday Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:16:24pm |
Pres Obama lacking experience and lacking leadership. The problem with voting present. He needs to stop thinking like a community organizer and more like a mayor.
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ladycatnip Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:16:30pm |
#490 averagecdn
Exactly what I was thinking yesterday. Out of nowhere Obama inserts himself into a controversial situation, just as the headlines were reading Obama health care failing…Obama doesn’t have votes…Will health care be Obama’s Waterloo?
Little too convenient. OTOH, Obama does come to the rescue of his cronies, as we’ve seen in his firing of IG Walpin. So, it’s a toss-up.
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formercorpsman Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:16:58pm |
re: #502 Diamond Bullet
That is an insult to the Special Olympics.
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Picayune Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:18:17pm |
re: #471 midwestgak
I hope so. Did the chocolate cookie offer work?
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kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:18:32pm |
re: #492 ShanghaiEd
Like telling the blind man at the press conference to take his sunglasses off?
Here’s
a story from CBS on the apology the reporter received personally from Bush and includes the fact that W didn’t know the man was legally blind.
You have to get past the leftist blog freak-out about the incident (even as they admitted Bush didn’t know the man was blind) before you get to the CBS news story of the apology on Google.
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ladycatnip Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:19:56pm |
#501 Capitalistincharge
…Isn’t that about the saddest commentary on what this Administration has done to citizens perception of who owns this Country.
Yep. Obama has said several times the WH is his house.
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wrenchwench Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:19:57pm |
re: #489 Throbert McGee
Furthermore, he needs to be taught that it is psychologically impossible to “humiliate” a man who has the correct balance of earned self-esteem and personal humility. On the other hand, it’s a cinch to humiliate pompous, humorless assholes whose self-worth comes entirely from other people’s praise.
Best pair of sentences of the day (so far.)
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Ed_Gibbon Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:20:24pm |
re: #26 jcm
I should not as President have stepped into it.
Well duh.
Where did the judgment go?
“So much for experience, says David Axelrod, chief strategist for Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign. In the contest with Sen. John McCain, Axelrod says, judgment will trump experience..” It was after-all his raison d’etre the entire campaign…forget about 3am, how about 8pm EST???
If his judgment i.e. did he not see the firestorm that throwing himself into to this would generate? (whether he is right or wrong on this) is so poor on something like this…
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Diamond Bullet Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:21:06pm |
re: #506 formercorpsman
That is an insult to the Special Olympics.
It always was. I remember when that Special Olympics bowler challenged Obama to a game over his remark. That was the happiest day of my life.
Perhaps the Cambridge police should challenge Obama to go on patrol with them for a day. My guess is that he’d suddenly rediscover his love of sitting in the Oval Office and shutting the *** up all day.
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kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:21:09pm |
re: #510 kynna
a story from CBS on the apology the reporter received personally from Bush and includes the fact that W didn’t know the man was legally blind.
You have to get past the leftist blog freak-out about the incident (even as they admitted Bush didn’t know the man was blind) before you get to the CBS news story of the apology on Google.
Oops! Somehow that didn’t work.
Story here.
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Kenneth Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:21:56pm |
Oh dear, Shr_Nfr just got the banning stick. All those worms crawling out of the woodwork from one little thread about a racist cartoon!
Maybe Charles should give Stinky a rest and run a nice uncontroversial thread on Creationist BNP nirth cert abortionists.
Ok, maybe just a cycling story.
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formercorpsman Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:22:21pm |
re: #508 mikeymom
I know, but I don’t think anything nefarious was meant by it.
Sometimes I try to get a point accross, and realize what I wrote will not go out the way I intended.
Hence, my post was an effort to give the benefit of the doubt.
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lobo91 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:22:35pm |
re: #489 Throbert McGee
I completely agree that this ought to be a teaching moment — specifically, Herr Doktor Doktor Professor Gates should somehow be taught to stop acting like a fucking drama queen with a chip on his shoulder.
The problem is, he can’t do that. It is, after all, what Harvard pays him to be.
Gates is part of the same group of pseudo-intellectual political activists as Ward Churchill and Cornell West. These people make their living by perpetuating the idea that America is an irredeemably racist nation, which is why they turn every minor incident into a racist act.
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Wendya Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:22:35pm |
re: #392 ShanghaiEd
It just seems strange to me that President Bush is the only president in my lifetime who never apologized for anything, or acknowledged he had made any mistakes.
I don’t recall Bush apologizing for America, nor do I recall Bush ever calling a police officer stupid for arresting a belligerent friend. What I recall were the constant demands that Bush apologize for political differences and policy decisions. Oh, yeah… and Katrina.
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beens21 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:25:44pm |
does anybody have any info on how O and Michele treat their Secret Service protection. I’ve read how they appreciated W and especially Laura, were not big fans of Hillary, but have not seen anything on them.
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Capitalistincharge Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:25:55pm |
re: #492 ShanghaiEd
Ya know, Ed, it is really easy to form opinions before you do the research. I would love to believe that Obama isn’t really a citizen and therefore his Election to President is null and void, however, I have researched all the information out there. I have come to the conclusion that no matter what I would like to believe, I have to say that my informed opinion is that he is legitimate. Your uninformed opinions are tedious.
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formercorpsman Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:26:07pm |
re: #514 Diamond Bullet
I think I got what you were trying to do in your post.
You were making a reference to his statement about “watching the special olympics”.
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Joan Not of Arc Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:27:15pm |
Plain, old arrogance.
He isn’t responsible for what he says or does. We’re all to blame. Let’s learn from this.
I have to stop. This sarcasm I’m using to process this pig crap is giving me a headache.
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:33:40pm |
re: #519 Wendya
I don’t recall Bush apologizing for America, nor do I recall Bush ever calling a police officer stupid for arresting a belligerent friend. What I recall were the constant demands that Bush apologize for political differences and policy decisions. Oh, yeah… and Katrina.
I didn’t claim any of these things, Wendya.
My point: there’s a double standard in play. It’s only natural, but refusing to admit it is disingenuous. The beginning, and end, of my point. Everything else is superfluous.
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Picayune Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:35:54pm |
re: #514 Diamond Bullet
So he can focus on reading all those 10 citizen letters per day that keep him so informed on the publics really, real interests?
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lobo91 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:36:14pm |
re: #519 Wendya
I don’t recall Bush apologizing for America, nor do I recall Bush ever calling a police officer stupid for arresting a belligerent friend. What I recall were the constant demands that Bush apologize for political differences and policy decisions. Oh, yeah… and Katrina.
Bush clearly should have apologized for the federal response to Katrina. Something along these lines would have worked:
“Many people have criticized the federal government’s response to Hurricane Katrina. In retrospect, those criticisms were clearly justified. FEMA’s procedures are based on the assumption that, in the event of a natural disaster, the affected state and local governments will respond appropriately to mitigate the disaster’s effects in the crucial first few days.
“Obviously, with respect to the governments of the state of Louisiana and, in particular, the city of New Orleans, we never should have made those assumptions. Anyone who has studied the history of the region knows that basic competence is simply the capability of the governments in question.
“For our failure to take these basic facts into account when calibrating the federal response to Katrina, I apologize, and pledge that we will never again make such a mistake.”
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Pianobuff Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:36:29pm |
Interesting reading lefty blogs on the topic.
Important debate on how many minorities were in view during the police department press conference.
Some say it’s all white men… conclusion: What a bunch of racist cops.
Some say there are some AA/Hispanic/Asians to be seen… conclusion: What a bunch of racist cops.
I need to take a shower to get the crust off.
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:36:46pm |
re: #482 kynna
That is not the same thing. And, if you know the facts it was not ‘selling ports’. It was licensing management, IIRC. Look it up. It’s also a policy/legislation type of issue, and was/is perfectly legal. Whether I agree with the decision or not, it wasn’t illegal and wasn’t an insult and was not what it was made out to be. No apology warranted.
If licensing management of the ports was a good move, and Bush believed sincerely it was best for the country, why did he abandon it so quickly when the news came out?
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lobo91 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:38:28pm |
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Picayune Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:39:27pm |
re: #521 taxfreekiller
Good one, TFK - but hasn’t Barack pumped out enough hot air lately? (heh)
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iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:40:19pm |
re: #510 kynna
a story from CBS on the apology the reporter received personally from Bush and includes the fact that W didn’t know the man was legally blind.
You have to get past the leftist blog freak-out about the incident (even as they admitted Bush didn’t know the man was blind) before you get to the CBS news story of the apology on Google.
Sounds a lot like the righty-blog freakout over Biden asking someone paralysed to stand up.
Tempest, meet teapot. Repeat.
I’m not snarking on you for this and I’m glad you mentioned it, I’m only pointing out how drearily predictable and annoying it is and that it happens on both sides.
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capitalist piglet Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:40:55pm |
re: #442 ShanghaiEd
Glad we’re in agreement on that!
Yes, every president has his own garbage. Do you agree it was a double standard that President Bush never apologized for his garbage, unlike the other presidents during my lifetime, and was even praised by his supporters for not doing so?
If so, we’ll be good to go, and I’ll be out of your hair on this subject. :)
Barack Obama is failing miserably, trying to push ill-considered bills through congress before those pesky citizens get hip to what’s in them…he’s stepping in it verbally left and right, so there’s only one thing to do - talk about Bush.
I have to say, George W. Bush looks pretty damned good right now, Ed.
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:43:28pm |
re: #523 Capitalistincharge
Ya know, Ed, it is really easy to form opinions before you do the research. I would love to believe that Obama isn’t really a citizen and therefore his Election to President is null and void, however, I have researched all the information out there. I have come to the conclusion that no matter what I would like to believe, I have to say that my informed opinion is that he is legitimate. Your uninformed opinions are tedious.
Capitalist: My hat is off to you, for reading “all the information” out there. I can only get to a tiny fraction of it myself, though I do use the widest range of sources I can.
As a result, I don’t appreciate your calling my views “uninformed” because they happen to differ from yours. If a different opinion makes my comments “tedious” to you, you’re more than welcome to skip over them when you see my name. Tedium problem solved.
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razorbacker Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:45:35pm |
re: #47 Sharmuta
Jurors convict evangelist on 10 sex-abuse counts
Tony Alamo, a one-time street preacher who built a multimillion-dollar ministry and became an outfitter of the stars, was convicted Friday of taking girls as young as 9 across state lines for sex.
Tony Alamo has a long-running record of…urm…unique ideas. When his beloved wife Susan died, he and his followers prayed over the body for quite a while, awaiting her resurrection.
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Wendya Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:47:06pm |
re: #528 ShanghaiEd
I didn’t claim any of these things, Wendya.
My point: there’s a double standard in play. It’s only natural, but refusing to admit it is disingenuous. The beginning, and end, of my point. Everything else is superfluous.
There is no double standard. Obama was asked to apologize to people he defamed and insulted. Bush was asked to apologize for policy decisions the democrats didn’t like.
You don’t see a difference?
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razorbacker Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:47:44pm |
re: #476 ShanghaiEd
life: Paradise. Paradise!
My father was born before electrical plugs were invented, and he had to watch TV 24 hours a day, 10 miles through the snow to school and uphill both directions. And carrying his brothers in his backpack.
I would have killed for a backpack.
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:49:40pm |
re: #537 capitalist piglet
Barack Obama is failing miserably, trying to push ill-considered bills through congress before those pesky citizens get hip to what’s in them…he’s stepping in it verbally left and right, so there’s only one thing to do - talk about Bush.
I have to say, George W. Bush looks pretty damned good right now, Ed.
I never said Obama isn’t failing, cp. And getting Bush back isn’t an option, for better or for worse.
What I’m talking about is double standards, from the past to now. Can’t talk about them without mentioning the past. I maintain those double standards are real, and that they’re hurting our ability to see clearly what’s going on right now because they generate heat instead of light.
Just my opinion. If you believe there are no double standards for this administration compared to past ones, I’ll listen to that argument gladly and modify my views if necessary. Fair enough?
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yochanan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:51:15pm |
re: #518 lobo91
frankly herr dr. gates MY GIVE A DAMN IS BROKEN.
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razorbacker Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:54:12pm |
I saw something yesterday that surprised me.
I pulled up behind a car festooned with Ron Paul bumperstickers, back to the gold standard, take back America, etc.
I pulled around to see just what a Paulian looked like.
Four twenty-somethings with little soul-patch tufts under their lower lips, and a whiff of ganga from the windows.
Is RP ‘cool’? Or had these fine fellows borrowed their Dad’s car?
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Billy Hank Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:54:43pm |
On a scale of 1 to 10, compare Bezos apology for the Kindle flap with Professor Obama rubbing America’s nose in its constant racism.
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:55:12pm |
re: #540 Wendya
There is no double standard. Obama was asked to apologize to people he defamed and insulted. Bush was asked to apologize for policy decisions the democrats didn’t like.
You mean Democrats like Rich Lowry, at the liberal playground Washington Times?
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Spartacus50 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:55:15pm |
In the words of Neil Diamond: “Everyone just cool out…COOL OUT!
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iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:55:47pm |
Here’s an interesting slideshow of other racist images, tweets, emails, and statements made in the last few months about Obama— by Republicans.
Dated 7/7, so it doesn’t even include the most recent craziness.
The rise of President Obama as the first black president has ushered in an uncomfortable era for the nation’s casual racists. While the urge to entertain friends and colleagues with historical stereotypes and hurtful prejudices has clearly become irresistible, what happens when that desire conflicts with one’s duties as a GOP office-holder, strategist, or activist? When is it appropriate to compare President Obama to a monkey, or make a quip about his presumed love of watermelons, for example? The quandary is only heightened by our new age of social media, in which private jokes can easily become public. As they continue to navigate this moral gray area, most Republican Party members are erring on the side of … erring — making or endorsing racially tinged or outright offensive jokes via e-mail, Twitter, Facebook, and old-fashioned paper, then awkwardly apologizing once they’ve made an ass of themselves. The latest example involved Young Republican vice-chairman Audra Shays, who posted an approving comment after a friend’s dubious joke on her Facebook page last week, but it’s a cycle that’s steadily repeated itself since Obama emerged in last year’s campaign.
[Link: nymag.com…]
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capitalist piglet Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:56:04pm |
re: #542 ShanghaiEd
I never said Obama isn’t failing, cp. And getting Bush back isn’t an option, for better or for worse.
What I’m talking about is double standards, from the past to now. Can’t talk about them without mentioning the past. I maintain those double standards are real, and that they’re hurting our ability to see clearly what’s going on right now because they generate heat instead of light.
Just my opinion. If you believe there are no double standards for this administration compared to past ones, I’ll listen to that argument gladly and modify my views if necessary. Fair enough?
I do, but not the way you think. As for getting into a back-and-forth, it looks like you already have your hands full. See Wendya’s #540. She nailed it.
Obama doesn’t know how to behave in a presidential way, and I suppose GWB had an advantage in that regard, having been the son of a VP/POTUS - but for all his supposed sophistication, intelligence, and grace, Barack Obama - even with an nearly unanimously complicit press - is stumbling worse than President Bush ever did.
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:58:35pm |
re: #541 razorbacker
I would have killed for a backpack.
Paradise! I would have killed for a back. Walking 20 miles to school through the snow, uphill both ways, my raw vertebrae exposed to the elements…
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Picayune Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:59:19pm |
re: #531 lobo91
As a rebounding recipient of the full brute force of Katrina, as well as a minuscule fraction of the over 170 Billion $s that Bush pushed through the Congress to help the AL/MS/LA Gulf Coast rebuild from the most devastating destruction ever experienced in the USA, all I can say is - your statement is absolutely PERFECT! DING, DING!
No one has said it better since 8/29/05, just before the world began to see in HDTV just how the “criminal low life DEM dependents for life” react to the sudden absence of Law/Order/Civility - just about like the night in NYC when the lights went out in the later 60’s and a similar “RAZOO call” broke out all over the Big Apple?
Thanks for helping to put right this misunderstood and MSM hyped episode to crash Bush’s pop #’s, which worked pretty well, as he was at about 44% approval, just before Chocolate City Ray and Bimbo Blanco took their DNC marching orders to “blame BOOOSH!”
And, thank you G W Bush for all of your assistance. Ding again.
| 555 |
razorbacker Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:01:25pm |
re: #552 ShanghaiEd
Paradise! I would have killed for a back. Walking 20 miles to school through the snow, uphill both ways, my raw vertebrae exposed to the elements…
You had vertebrae to cover your spinal cord?
Wow. You guys must have been rich!
| 556 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:03:10pm |
re: #548 iceweasel
Here’s an interesting slideshow of other racist images, tweets, emails, and statements made in the last few months about Obama— by Republicans.
Dated 7/7, so it doesn’t even include the most recent craziness.
[Link: nymag.com…]
Ice, ice…I expected better from you than this. Don’t you know that the other side’s “invisible” racism is much worse, and far more prevalent? And it’s worse and more prevalent because it’s invisible. See? That’s how we know.
/
| 558 |
iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:04:24pm |
re: #551 buzzsawmonkey
Great! I am so totally down with believing every single word of a completely fact-free smear paragraph in a reflexively liberal snark magazine!
Yes! Hallelujah! I believe!
Uh, check the slideshow. Or don’t.
All those incidents were extensively covered elsewhere. :)
| 559 |
kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:04:55pm |
re: #546 ShanghaiEd
You mean Democrats like Rich Lowry, at the liberal playground Washington Times?
Again, policy/legislation.
The closest you could come was the blind reporter and even that was not at all the same as Obama’s nasty remarks that called for apologies.
There is no double standard. You can disagree with a president but you and the press wanted Bush to apologize for not agreeing with you. Not that Rich Lowry is not asking for an apology. He’s pointing out what he thinks are mistakes the Bush administration had made.
You said Bush never apologized for his ‘garbage’. What garbage? And not just style/decisions you disagree with. I’m talking behavior that warranted an apology.
| 560 |
iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:06:17pm |
re: #556 ShanghaiEd
Ice, ice…I expected better from you than this. Don’t you know that the other side’s “invisible” racism is much worse, and far more prevalent? And it’s worse and more prevalent because it’s invisible. See? That’s how we know.
/
Whoops! Silly, silly me. The real racism always consists in mentioning racism. :)
| 561 |
jamgarr Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:06:29pm |
re: #472 BIGDUKE 6
The Hubris of a teachable moment . The Noive.
This one cant even admit when he’s wrong.
I know it is true in my life - and I suspect that it is true in most peoples’ lives - one of the most respect-inducing things to observe is a sincere apology. This lesson has been lost on politicians.
| 562 |
yochanan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:07:16pm |
I think we should have a new LGF award;
‘MY GIVE A DAMN IS BROKEN AWARD’
I would like to nominate Herr Dr Gates for this.
| 563 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:07:25pm |
re: #551 buzzsawmonkey
Great! I am so totally down with believing every single word of a completely fact-free smear paragraph in a reflexively liberal snark magazine!
Yes! Hallelujah! I believe!
buzz: Fact free? The examples they offer in the slideshow all have links to sources, don’t they?
As a wise person named Charles once said…said today, actually…”Facts are facts. They don’t get cooties on them because of where they come from.”
| 565 |
eric Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:09:24pm |
re: #6 mbruce
Yes. I thought the same thing when I saw the cops lined up against Obama. They have realized that he is a paper tiger and yes, he wears no clothes. This may be a turning point in Obama’s presidency and not a good one.
| 566 |
iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:09:43pm |
re: #563 ShanghaiEd
buzz: Fact free? The examples they offer in the slideshow all have links to sources, don’t they?
As a wise person named Charles once said…said today, actually…”Facts are facts. They don’t get cooties on them because of where they come from.”
And he was speaking of the dreaded media matters when he said it. :)
| 567 |
kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:13:47pm |
re: #536 iceweasel
Sounds a lot like the righty-blog freakout over Biden asking someone paralysed to stand up.
Tempest, meet teapot. Repeat.
I’m not snarking on you for this and I’m glad you mentioned it, I’m only pointing out how drearily predictable and annoying it is and that it happens on both sides.
Biden knew the guy personally. Presumably he was aware of his paralysis.
That said, I cut Biden slack on that one because I could see it happening in that kind of situation.
But it’s really not the same at all.
| 568 |
kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:15:04pm |
re: #559 kynna
Again, policy/legislation.
The closest you could come was the blind reporter and even that was not at all the same as Obama’s nasty remarks that called for apologies.
There is no double standard. You can disagree with a president but you and the press wanted Bush to apologize for not agreeing with you. Note that Rich Lowry is not asking for an apology. He’s pointing out what he thinks are mistakes the Bush administration had made.
You said Bush never apologized for his ‘garbage’. What garbage? And not just style/decisions you disagree with. I’m talking behavior that warranted an apology.
I’m making many typos today. :P Sorry.
| 569 |
jamgarr Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:15:40pm |
For Wendya
Is it true that Wendy didn’t exist as a name until J.M. Berrie wrote Peter Pan?
| 570 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:15:42pm |
re: #559 kynna
Again, policy/legislation.
The closest you could come was the blind reporter and even that was not at all the same as Obama’s nasty remarks that called for apologies.
There is no double standard. You can disagree with a president but you and the press wanted Bush to apologize for not agreeing with you. Not that Rich Lowry is not asking for an apology. He’s pointing out what he thinks are mistakes the Bush administration had made.
You said Bush never apologized for his ‘garbage’. What garbage? And not just style/decisions you disagree with. I’m talking behavior that warranted an apology.
Well, you got me there. Policies and decisions and style are excluded from what he did wrong. As are topics I disagreed with him on. So I have to find non-policy, non-decision, non-style behavior that I agreed with him on, but that I nonetheless believe demands an apology?
You win this one. I got nothing. Thanks for the discussion, though.
(Double standard? What double standard?)
| 571 |
kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:16:10pm |
re: #563 ShanghaiEd
buzz: Fact free? The examples they offer in the slideshow all have links to sources, don’t they?
As a wise person named Charles once said…said today, actually…”Facts are facts. They don’t get cooties on them because of where they come from.”
And cherry picking is cherry picking. Someone else could find just as many racist moments from democrats. Now who has a double standard?
| 573 |
yochanan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:17:03pm |
re: #567 kynna
with everything the zero is doing should we not expect him to get the lame to walk
///
i really don’t care about this mistake of plugs..
| 574 |
DaddyG Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:17:08pm |
Stunning. The left has to publish bad e-mails and twitters from GOP members to demonstrate that the right is just as bad as artists, DEM pols and cartoonists who openly bashed Bush.
The moral equivelence is getting thick.
Most lizards here are on record as condemning the racist attacks on Obama. Wailing “they do it too” is a defensive tactic I’d expect to hear from a 7 year old not adults.
| 576 |
Picayune Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:18:19pm |
Chris Mathews is on MSNBC covering the “Oh Shit, I just stepped in it again”, episode.
Looks to me that ole Chris is losing some of that “tingly” felling he’s so famous for this past year! Think he’s getting the “Teaching Moment” thingy? I don’t, it’s still way to early for Chris to embrace an epiphany.
| 577 |
iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:20:01pm |
re: #575 buzzsawmonkey
We’ll leave your disgusting, transparent, Iago-like sycophancy for another time.
Right now, we’ll just talk about that slide show.
Yes, let’s.
How do you feel about the new leader of the Young Republicans?
| 578 |
yochanan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:20:27pm |
re: #572 Mad Mullah
i learned from liberals that if i don’t like the POTUS I don’t have to accept him as my president right now I am not far from accepting this as acceptable president.
and if he really screws Israel he will not be my president right now I am thinking about the whole subject.
| 579 |
kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:20:36pm |
re: #570 ShanghaiEd
Well, you got me there. Policies and decisions and style are excluded from what he did wrong. As are topics I disagreed with him on. So I have to find non-policy, non-decision, non-style behavior that I agreed with him on, but that I nonetheless believe demands an apology?
You win this one. I got nothing. Thanks for the discussion, though.
(Double standard? What double standard?)
You’re kidding, right?
I think Obama’s stimulus plan is one of the worst pieces of pork-laden, crony-paying-off legislation going. Do I demand an apology for it? No. It’s policy/legislation. Do I criticize him for it? Yes.
I think Obama using the Special Olympics to indicate looking stupid called for an apology. I think his saying the Cambridge police department acted stupidly when they clearly were just doing their jobs calls for an apology. A real one.
You’re right. You got nothing. But not for the snarky way you’re saying it. You can’t find anything that Bush did that is similar to Obama’s childish, nasty behavior.
| 581 |
iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:21:51pm |
re: #577 iceweasel
Yes, let’s.
How do you feel about the new leader of the Young Republicans?
Oh wait, you’re going to claim she’s— what was it again? “not well-known enough to represent some broad-based “Republican racism” .
Sure. Good luck with that in 2010, and 2012.
| 582 |
gearhead Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:22:31pm |
OUT. OF. TOUCH.
It’s a teachable moment, all right, but lesson is not at all favorable to our president. What total arrogance.
| 583 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:23:16pm |
re: #550 capitalist piglet
I do, but not the way you think. As for getting into a back-and-forth, it looks like you already have your hands full. See Wendya’s #540. She nailed it.
Obama doesn’t know how to behave in a presidential way, and I suppose GWB had an advantage in that regard, having been the son of a VP/POTUS - but for all his supposed sophistication, intelligence, and grace, Barack Obama - even with an nearly unanimously complicit press - is stumbling worse than President Bush ever did.
cp, Yes, wendya did nail it. Absolutely. Please see my white flag at #570.
As for your second paragraph, I have never claimed otherwise. It’s superfluous to my point. I’m not arguing over who’s the “best” president. I’m talking about a double standard. Do you deny that there is a double standard in play?
| 584 |
iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:23:52pm |
re: #580 buzzsawmonkey
Who might that be? And why don’t you tell me why I should feel some way about him, or her, as the case may be?
Looks like you didn’t watch the slideshow, or read the text with it, or know what you’re talking about. But you “know” that it doesn’t represent any Republican officials, right?
“We’ll leave your disgusting, transparent, Iago-like sycophancy for another time.”
Thanks for this. Cheers.
| 585 |
strangelove Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:24:12pm |
Obama revealed himself as a true racist in his first press conference, where he blathered on about ‘blacks get pulled over more…blahblah”.
yeah, Barry, maybe in the 50’s. Now a cop pulls over Rodney King and they let him go BECAUSE he is black.
Obama, ( and I believe most blacks in America) are the real racists now. They are ones obsessed with determining motive, not evaluating actions.
The cop was in the right. bottom line is that Proff Gates just didn’t like Whitey teling him what to do, even if the cop’s actions were to gaurantee Gates’ safety and protection of property.
| 587 |
iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:25:36pm |
re: #586 buzzsawmonkey
PS. I completely apologize to ShanghaiEd for my “sycophancy” comment in #573.
It was not intended for you, but for iceweasel.
Volleyed. :)
| 588 |
kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:25:46pm |
re: #548 iceweasel
Here’s an interesting slideshow of other racist images, tweets, emails, and statements made in the last few months about Obama— by Republicans.
The rise of President Obama as the first black president has ushered in an uncomfortable era for the nation’s casual racists. While the urge to entertain friends and colleagues with historical stereotypes and hurtful prejudices has clearly become irresistible, what happens when that desire conflicts with one’s duties as a GOP office-holder, strategist, or activist? When is it appropriate to compare President Obama to a monkey, or make a quip about his presumed love of watermelons, for example? The quandary is only heightened by our new age of social media, in which private jokes can easily become public. As they continue to navigate this moral gray area, most Republican Party members are erring on the side of … erring — making or endorsing racially tinged or outright offensive jokes via e-mail, Twitter, Facebook, and old-fashioned paper, then awkwardly apologizing once they’ve made an ass of themselves. The latest example involved Young Republican vice-chairman Audra Shays, who posted an approving comment after a friend’s dubious joke on her Facebook page last week, but it’s a cycle that’s steadily repeated itself since Obama emerged in last year’s campaign.
Dated 7/7, so it doesn’t even include the most recent craziness.
[Link: nymag.com…]
Bolding mine. “Most Republican party members”. Wow. That doesn’t put up a red flag of bias for you? Nope. I’m sure it doesn’t.
Do I deny the racism? No. Does it disgust me? Yes. Do I think the same kind of slide show could be made from the opposite perspective? Absolutely.
A cherry picked batch of quotes may give us the willies knowing those people are out there, but does it define the party? No. Does Cynthia McKinney define the Democrats?
| 589 |
Pianobuff Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:29:15pm |
So Crowley’s AA partner thinks everything was handled ok…
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) — A black police officer who was at Henry Louis Gates Jr.’s home when the black Harvard scholar was arrested says he fully supports how his white fellow officer handled the situation.
Sgt. Leon Lashley says Gates was probably tired and surprised when Sgt. James Crowley demanded identification from him as officers investigated a report of a burglary. Lashley says Gates’ reaction to Crowley was “a little bit stranger than it should have been.”
Asked if Gates should have been arrested, Lashley said supported Crowley “100 percent.”
Gates has said he was the victim of racial profiling.
President Barack Obama says the officers “acted stupidly.” Lashley called Obama’s remark “unfortunate” and said he should be allowed to take it back.
| 590 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:29:51pm |
re: #571 kynna
And cherry picking is cherry picking. Someone else could find just as many racist moments from democrats. Now who has a double standard?
“Someone else could find”? You say this, based on what? Intuition?
The article posted has links.
If you have a similar number of links to about racist Democrats, of roughly the same time frame and same prominence, please list them. Otherwise, you’re guessing.
And at the risk of being snarky, I’m jotting my prediction of your answer to this on a piece of paper, to compare with your reply.
| 591 |
capitalist piglet Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:32:05pm |
re: #556 ShanghaiEd
Ice, ice…I expected better from you than this. Don’t you know that the other side’s “invisible” racism is much worse, and far more prevalent? And it’s worse and more prevalent because it’s invisible. See? That’s how we know.
/
Said the guy who really didn’t seem to want to talk about liberal Barbara Boxer’s embarrassing display of racism a few days ago. (HINT TO MS. BOXER: WHEN YOU HIT BOTTOM, STOP DIGGING.)
You weren’t alone, either. I don’t think I saw a single liberal touch it in a significant way. We just pretend that stuff doesn’t happen.
This is why debating with you is pointless.
| 592 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:32:27pm |
re: #586 buzzsawmonkey
PS. I completely apologize to ShanghaiEd for my “sycophancy” comment in #573.
It was not intended for you, but for iceweasel.
buzz: Wow. Uh…thanks. I guess. :)
| 593 |
Gearhead Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:33:17pm |
| 594 |
kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:33:55pm |
re: #533 ShanghaiEd
If licensing management of the ports was a good move, and Bush believed sincerely it was best for the country, why did he abandon it so quickly when the news came out?
He didn’t abandon it quickly. He tried to explain it, but it was talking to a brick wall since the media, for the most part, only wanted to report on the people who were hysterically making baseless accusations. Did you read the article I linked? It explains pretty well that there are not many of these management companies in the world.
He did believe it was a decent deal. Maybe he abandoned it because it was not going to be worth it in the end once both sides started throwing uninformed hysteria at it, the press reporting it honestly, and congress threatening to make economy destroying laws to ‘solve the problem’. He made the best decision. Perhaps both times, but we’ll never know.
| 596 |
iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:35:16pm |
re: #594 kynna
He tried to explain it, but it was talking to a brick wall since the media, for the most part, only wanted to report on the people who were hysterically making baseless accusations.
OT— That’s the media in a nutshell though, whether they’re reporting on a republican or a democrat.
| 598 |
iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:36:22pm |
re: #595 buzzsawmonkey
Oh, yes, I watched the slideshow. It showed a few minor—stress the word minor—bits of ugliness in a highly passionate campaign.
You missed all the 2009 episodes then, I guess. That’s curious.
| 599 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:37:05pm |
re: #591 capitalist piglet
Said the guy who really didn’t seem to want to talk about liberal Barbara Boxer’s embarrassing display of racism a few days ago. (HINT TO MS. BOXER: WHEN YOU HIT BOTTOM, STOP DIGGING.)
You weren’t alone, either. I don’t think I saw a single liberal touch it in a significant way. We just pretend that stuff doesn’t happen.
This is why debating with you is pointless.
Not true, and not fair, cp.
I said that Boxer was a fanatic, who was mentally unbalanced, and that there was no excuse whatever for her incident.
What else is there to say? How does that equate to “not wanting to talk about it”?
I remember our conversation clearly. Why do you misrepresent it?
Which is why debating with you is pointless. Fair enough?
| 600 |
Tats66 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:37:16pm |
| 602 |
Pianobuff Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:37:37pm |
re: #593 Gearhead
Not that he feels any need to do so…
From what I’m hearing Obama is going to have them over for a beer and it will all be over.
Say, that wouldn’t be a bad SNL skit. A beer ad with Obama as the spokesperson where the beer brand is all about bringing people together while the Crowley/Gates story is visually acting itself out in some horrific way underneath the dialogue.
Maybe the beer could be called “Hops and Change”.
| 605 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:39:35pm |
re: #594 kynna
He didn’t abandon it quickly. He tried to explain it, but it was talking to a brick wall since the media, for the most part, only wanted to report on the people who were hysterically making baseless accusations. Did you read the article I linked? It explains pretty well that there are not many of these management companies in the world.
He did believe it was a decent deal. Maybe he abandoned it because it was not going to be worth it in the end once both sides started throwing uninformed hysteria at it, the press reporting it honestly, and congress threatening to make economy destroying laws to ‘solve the problem’. He made the best decision. Perhaps both times, but we’ll never know.
And because we’ll never know, you blame it on the media and Congress, and give Bush the benefit of the doubt. Is this a fair assessment of what you said?
And if a President Obama wanted to outsource our port security, you would react in exactly the same way, right?
| 606 |
iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:41:10pm |
re: #603 buzzsawmonkey
You have reading comprehension problems, it seems, since the larger second half of the first paragraph in my #595 dismisses those handily.
Yet you’d dismissed the slideshow, and claimed you’d watched it, without even knowing it mentions the new leader of the Young Republicans. Curious.
Which is why debating with you is pointless.
| 607 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:41:21pm |
re: #597 taxfreekiller
llbd
late loon break down
Hi, tfk! And best of all, it’s brought to you at no extra charge. :)
How are you today?
| 610 |
Pianobuff Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:43:20pm |
Hey folks… I thought my #602 was funny. Funny enough for at least 2 updings, which is all it will take for me to hit 1000 karma points.
Any takers?
(watch… now I’ll start getting down-dinged)
| 612 |
Tats66 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:43:32pm |
re: #605 ShanghaiEd
And if a President Obama wanted to outsource our port security, you would react in exactly the same way, right?
Personally, I wouldnt…mistakes or not, personally I was convinced GWB had the best interests of the country at heart…
Your OMessiah? Im not so sure.
My personal 2 cents
| 614 |
DaddyG Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:44:22pm |
Who is more representative of their political party?
A. The leader of the young republicans
B. Robert Byrd
C. Ron Paul
D. Cynthia McKinney
Let the debate begin. /
| 615 |
yochanan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:45:05pm |
re: #601 taxfreekiller
subject changing and shape shifting
that explain the zero completely. just add the liberal white guilt
| 616 |
Pianobuff Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:45:20pm |
WooHoo! Thanks for that, lizards!
Now I can re-introduce myself to my spouse…heh.
| 618 |
Picayune Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:46:41pm |
| 619 |
DaddyG Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:48:46pm |
re: #615 yochanan
…just add the liberal white guilt
I’m fresh out. I don’t issue blanket apologies for every idiotic thing a member of my race or political party does.
| 621 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:50:24pm |
re: #608 taxfreekiller
that would be to minor for the O,
he is going for full cut back of our missile defense systems
Hey, tfk…I thought your #601 said you’re against subject-changing. Right?
| 622 |
yochanan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:50:46pm |
re: #619 DaddyG
i don’t either frankly my GIVE A DAMN is broken.
| 624 |
iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:53:21pm |
re: #620 buzzsawmonkey
It’s not what I would like any leader of the Republican Party to say—but a vice-chairman of the Young Republicans is hardly somebody in the inner circles of top party policy. It’s certainly no worse than the half-ton of Biden gaffes that’s fertilizing the White House lawn.
Okay, so now you’ve moved from the claim that the slideshow didn’t display anyone of any standing in the Republican party, to the claim that it somehow doesn’t matter because “biden makes gaffes”.
It’s really no wonder that you don’t like gotchas, I have to say.
We’re done now.
| 626 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:55:04pm |
re: #612 Tats66
And if a President Obama wanted to outsource our port security, you would react in exactly the same way, right?
Personally, I wouldnt…mistakes or not, personally I was convinced GWB had the best interests of the country at heart…
Your OMessiah? Im not so sure.
My personal 2 cents
Whoa, Tats. Not my Messiah. Anybody who reads my posts knows I have not praised the man, ever. The opposite, in fact.
With that out of the way, you’re saying that you’re convinced President Bush had the country’s best interests at heart, you believe that Obama doesn’t, and thus you would react differently to the same action if it was done by both men. Correct?
I’m not a fan of either president. My sole point is double standard. What is what you’re saying, if not a double standard? That’s all I’m saying. Really. And it seems you agree.
| 628 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:55:36pm |
| 629 |
Tats66 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:55:51pm |
In this great “your party is more racist than mine” debate…why dont we just acknowledge that inappropriate comments, the old wink wink racial type jokes that alot of people that adamantly claim to not be racist still find funny, even though they wont ever admit it, transcend party, and race for that matter, lines??
Or…keep the “I gotcha” moments goin for another 200 posts?
NOW lets get back on point and discuss a POtuS that should have extinguised a racial spark, instead of dousing it with gasoline…at least until we say, uh, like get the FACTS straight?
| 630 |
capitalist piglet Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:55:53pm |
re: #599 ShanghaiEd
Not true, and not fair, cp.
I said that Boxer was a fanatic, who was mentally unbalanced, and that there was no excuse whatever for her incident.
What else is there to say? How does that equate to “not wanting to talk about it”?
I remember our conversation clearly. Why do you misrepresent it?
Which is why debating with you is pointless. Fair enough?
I didn’t misrepresent our discussion at all. I’m giving you my impression of it. You had very little to say about Boxer (what seemed to me amounted to, “I don’t like her, let’s move on!”), and it certainly didn’t appear to me that you had any desire to discuss it in any detail.
And when I called you out on your double-standard, using quotes from your own posts (broad-brushing Republicans on racism, but rejecting the “abstract” when it comes to racism on the other side), you chose that moment to drop the topic, as far as I am aware.
In any case, my point is that you know very well that racism is pervasive on the left. Its manifestation may be different than on the right, but there is no question it is there. And that’s what makes your little exchange with your partner a whole lot of disingenuous, smug liberal bullshit.
| 633 |
nikis-knight Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:57:54pm |
re: #546 ShanghaiEd
You mean Democrats like Rich Lowry, at the liberal playground Washington Times?
Nice try, but Rich Lowry there is pointing out strategy mistakes, a different category from being a jerk. I don’t expect politicians to apoligize for defects (or differences) of wisdom, but I do for defects, or lapses, of character.
I better example for Bush would be when he called a certain reporter a name when he didn’t know he was being taped. I don’t know if he apoligized for that or not; I would be surprised if he didn’t, and disappointed if he didn’t.
| 634 |
yochanan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:58:08pm |
re: #629 Tats66
when the donks play the race card it just shows that there position is very weak.
| 635 |
iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:58:19pm |
re: #625 taxfreekiller
All is “done now”, iceweasel has spoken.
hey, someone first claims they’d seen the slideshow when they hadn’t, then claims it didn’t show anyone of importance in the republican party when it did, then is forced to claim that the newly elected leader of the Young Republicans isn’t anyone of importance in the party, then ultimately is reduced to pathetically claiming that this widespread evidence of casual racism among some people in positions of power in the Republican party doesn’t matter because “biden makes gaffes”… Yeah, the conversation is done. At least, I’m done with engaging with someone like that.
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Tats66 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:00:52pm |
re: #626 ShanghaiEd
I was speaking generally, thought it didnt appear so…my bad. :)
The double standard issue? I just look at what I believe motivates people, I believe both presidents may have different motivations which is why I scrutinize them differently…which is why re-iterated my PERSONAL views, rather than attempt to espouse them on others.
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capitalist piglet Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:02:17pm |
re: #606 iceweasel
Yet you’d dismissed the slideshow, and claimed you’d watched it, without even knowing it mentions the new leader of the Young Republicans. Curious.
Which is why debating with you is pointless.
I can’t say I disagree. Attempting to debate with buzzsawmonkey is pointless for a number of people.
Don’t feel bad. He’d kick my ass, too.
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iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:03:10pm |
re: #636 buzzsawmonkey
You still haven’t accounted for your falsified inflation of a vice-chairman to “the new head of”
jesus. It’s no wonder you hate gotchas.
AUDRA SHAY HAS SINCE BEEN ELECTED CHAIR OF THE YOUNG REPUBLICANS
Now, we really are done.
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funky chicken Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:03:33pm |
re: #47 Sharmuta
Jurors convict evangelist on 10 sex-abuse counts
Tony Alamo, a one-time street preacher who built a multimillion-dollar ministry and became an outfitter of the stars, was convicted Friday of taking girls as young as 9 across state lines for sex.
an outfitter of the stars?
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Tats66 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:06:01pm |
re: #640 funky chicken
an outfitter of the stars?
Probable Madonna’s religious garments for her concerts apparently
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iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:06:28pm |
re: #638 capitalist piglet
I can’t say I disagree. Attempting to debate with buzzsawmonkey is pointless for a number of people.
See 635 and 639. Pointless.
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kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:08:13pm |
re: #633 nikis-knight
Nice try, but Rich Lowry there is pointing out strategy mistakes, a different category from being a jerk. I don’t expect politicians to apoligize for defects (or differences) of wisdom, but I do for defects, or lapses, of character.
I better example for Bush would be when he called a certain reporter a name when he didn’t know he was being taped. I don’t know if he apoligized for that or not; I would be surprised if he didn’t, and disappointed if he didn’t.
He did apologize. He said he’d heard the guy was an asshole and Cheney replied “big time”. So, really, Cheney called the guy an asshole, but they were both culpable. The guy is an asshole, though. ;D
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funky chicken Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:10:05pm |
After Susan Alamo’s death in 1982, Alamo began focusing his tracts on bashing Catholicism and the Vatican. His ministry, built on the backs of followers who worked in various businesses to support the church, designed and sold elaborate denim jackets for celebrities.
Federal agents seized a large portion of his assets in the 1990s to settle tax claims after courts declared his operations a business, not a church. Among items offered for auction were the plans for the studded jacket Michael Jackson wore on his “Bad” album.
talk about birds of a feather…
| 646 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:10:46pm |
re: #630 capitalist piglet
I didn’t misrepresent our discussion at all. I’m giving you my impression of it. You had very little to say about Boxer (what seemed to me amounted to, “I don’t like her, let’s move on!”), and it certainly didn’t appear to me that you had any desire to discuss it in any detail.
And when I called you out on your double-standard, using quotes from your own posts (broad-brushing Republicans on racism, but rejecting the “abstract” when it comes to racism on the other side), you chose that moment to drop the topic, as far as I am aware.
In any case, my point is that you know very well that racism is pervasive on the left. Its manifestation may be different than on the right, but there is no question it is there. And that’s what makes your little exchange with your partner a whole lot of disingenuous, smug liberal bullshit.
Well, your impression of it is wrong. You said I “didn’t want to talk about it.” I replied to your note, I talked about it. If there was another note asking me to elaborate, I didn’t see it. What more would you like me to say negatively about Boxer? How many words? I’ll be glad to try.
I have never said racism is not pervasive on the left. Link, please. And my “partner” does not post on LGF. Why is my home life any of your concern?
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nikis-knight Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:11:27pm |
re: #644 kynnaYeah, perhaps, but it was unpresidential, uncivil really, and like I said, it would be a good mirror to this event of Obama’s to see if the apologies were comprable.
But policy decisions, and much more strategy for enacting policy like Rich Lowry discussed in the article linked, are quite different from rude or crass behavior.
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kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:16:14pm |
re: #590 ShanghaiEd
“Someone else could find”? You say this, based on what? Intuition?
The article posted has links.
If you have a similar number of links to about racist Democrats, of roughly the same time frame and same prominence, please list them. Otherwise, you’re guessing.
And at the risk of being snarky, I’m jotting my prediction of your answer to this on a piece of paper, to compare with your reply.
Okay, snarkbot, no I have not sat down and made a slideshow of recent and past racist statements by Democrats. They can easily be found. Holder, the AG of this country has made them. Robert Byrd … obvious. Cynthia McKinney has made numerous nasties. Joe Biden likes to have a bit of fun with Indians.
No, I’m not putting links in. Anyone who has had their eyes open for the past two to four years has seen them, so don’t snark your way out of it by saying I didn’t prove anything. It’s been public. And these people are far more influential in their party than the head of the Young Republicans. Sheesh.
But here’s a guy with a YouTube channel devoted to this and other like subjects, so maybe you’ll enjoy that.
Bottom line, I don’t disagree that any racism is uncalled for and should be called out when encountered. I just disagree that racism can only be found in the Republican party. And I think it’s unfair to characterize all or even the majority of Republicans as racists.
Does that answer come close to your prediction?
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kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:17:24pm |
re: #647 nikis-knight
Yeah, perhaps, but it was unpresidential, uncivil really, and like I said, it would be a good mirror to this event of Obama’s to see if the apologies were comprable.
But policy decisions, and much more strategy for enacting policy like Rich Lowry discussed in the article linked, are quite different from rude or crass behavior.
He wasn’t president at the time. Just another candidate. But yeah, that’s a hell of a lot closer than Shanghi got to giving me an example.
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iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:17:40pm |
re: #629 Tats66
In this great “your party is more racist than mine” debate…why dont we just acknowledge that inappropriate comments, the old wink wink racial type jokes that alot of people that adamantly claim to not be racist still find funny, even though they wont ever admit it, transcend party, and race for that matter, lines??
There’s racism everywhere, and on both political sides.
Also, it’s common for many people in the US to stereotype the south as being racist— but in fact, many white southerners will have stories to tell about how white people from the north immediately tell their racist jokes to them, assuming that they have to think the same way, because they’re from the south right?
Similarly with sexism. That also crosses political (and gender) lines.
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pink freud Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:19:48pm |
re: #650 iceweasel
There’s racism everywhere, and on both political sides.
Also, it’s common for many people in the US to stereotype the south as being racist— but in fact, many white southerners will have stories to tell about how white people from the north immediately tell their racist jokes to them, assuming that they have to think the same way, because they’re from the south right?
Link, please?
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:22:03pm |
re: #637 Tats66
I was speaking generally, thought it didnt appear so…my bad. :)
The double standard issue? I just look at what I believe motivates people, I believe both presidents may have different motivations which is why I scrutinize them differently…which is why re-iterated my PERSONAL views, rather than attempt to espouse them on others.
Thanks for the amendment, Tats. I hate to be mistaken for an Obama fan. :)
One more question. You say you believe both presidents have different motivations. Right?
It’s impossible for human beings to know motivations, because we can’t read minds. We can only assume. Right?
So, you have two standards for two men. Double standard. No huge deal, it’s only human. My only point. I promise.
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iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:23:25pm |
re: #650 iceweasel
I meant to elaborate on this— the American South has served in many ways as a scapegoat for the racism that also exists in the north and elsewhere.
I’m open to the idea that some of the more racist elements on the extreme right serve as a scapegoat in the same way—that is, we all think hey, I can’t be a racist because I wouldn’t do X, where X is something obviously racist (like the photoshop of Obama as a witch-doctor, or worse)
But that doesn’t mean that racism isn’t still with all of us in more subtle ways. By making a scapegoat out of the more obvious and extreme forms of racism, it becomes easier to overlook the more subtle ways in which we ourselves might be racist.
| 654 |
kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:23:37pm |
re: #605 ShanghaiEd
And because we’ll never know, you blame it on the media and Congress, and give Bush the benefit of the doubt. Is this a fair assessment of what you said?
And if a President Obama wanted to outsource our port security, you would react in exactly the same way, right?
If the facts were the same and I was given the opportunity to see them, I would react the same way. Yes. I started out being totally against the ports deal with Bush, but I changed my mind when I read all the facts. I do that sometimes.
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iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:28:04pm |
re: #651 pink freud
Link, please?
It’s anecdotal.
Talk to friends who are southerners and many of them will have stories about how northerners (especially urban white supposedly liberal northerners) somehow seem to feel like it’s more ok to tell racist jokes around them. As if they think that being from the south and white must mean you’re a racist.
It’s interesting how many cultural stereotypes we have. Some are about race and sex, but some are about ‘class’, and many are about region too.
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Tats66 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:32:34pm |
re: #652 ShanghaiEd
Point taken. I just try n make my personal “assumptions” based on the actions and backgrounds of people as I construe them. But I am primarily speaking policy and political issues…
Racism et al, are topics that are f’d up no matter who does it, there the issues of double standard are more relevant to me
| 657 |
pink freud Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:33:58pm |
re: #655 iceweasel
It’s anecdotal.
Talk to friends who are southerners and many of them will have stories about how northerners (especially urban white supposedly liberal northerners) somehow seem to feel like it’s more ok to tell racist jokes around them. As if they think that being from the south and white must mean you’re a racist.
It’s interesting how many cultural stereotypes we have. Some are about race and sex, but some are about ‘class’, and many are about region too.
You said, and I quote: “…but in fact, many white southerners will have stories to tell about how white people from the north immediately tell their racist jokes to them, assuming that they have to think the same way, because they’re from the south right?”
Is it anecdotal, or is it fact?
You do this often. Your credibility is shot.
I have not seen — personally, in the south — that of which you speak.
| 658 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:34:50pm |
re: #648 kynna
Bottom line, I don’t disagree that any racism is uncalled for and should be called out when encountered. I just disagree that racism can only be found in the Republican party. And I think it’s unfair to characterize all or even the majority of Republicans as racists.
Does that answer come close to your prediction?
Nope, I guessed wrong on my prediction. More about that in a second.
I did not say “racism can only be found in the Republican party.” Ever.
I did not characterize all or even the majority of Republicans as racists.” Ever.
Please look back to what I said: that over the time frame the slideshow covers, more Republicans have made headlines over racist comments than Democrats. When I’ve made that observation before, people acknowledge it’s true, but only because the liberal media doesn’t report on bad things Democrats say. Yet, they can give me links to any number of bad things Democrats say, as reported in the media. So if the media doesn’t report it, how did they find out? Catch 22.
I apologize. I thought you were going to use the “liberal media” explanation. You didn’t. Thank you.
Please show me where I have said what your note charges me with.
| 659 |
charlesincharge Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:37:38pm |
re: #193 iceweasel
Yes, but then why does he make us pay for it? :(
Because God is a capitalist. I’m sure you know,if beer were “free” it would be in very short supply. 90% + of beer is made by people because they can sell it for money.
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iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:40:58pm |
re: #657 pink freud
Is it anecdotal, or is it fact?You do this often. Your credibility is shot.
I have not seen — personally, in the south — that of which you speak.
You do know something can be a fact, even if one only has anecdotal evidence for it, right? And that even if you haven’t seen it, it can still be a fact?
You don’t have to agree with me, but it’s kind of odd that you’d want to ding me down over this other comment, which makes a completely nonpartisan point and one that is hardly objectionable. If you do have an objection, I would like to know what it is.
I meant to elaborate on this— the American South has served in many ways as a scapegoat for the racism that also exists in the north and elsewhere.
I’m open to the idea that some of the more racist elements on the extreme right serve as a scapegoat in the same way—that is, we all think hey, I can’t be a racist because I wouldn’t do X, where X is something obviously racist (like the photoshop of Obama as a witch-doctor, or worse)
But that doesn’t mean that racism isn’t still with all of us in more subtle ways. By making a scapegoat out of the more obvious and extreme forms of racism, it becomes easier to overlook the more subtle ways in which we ourselves might be racist.
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iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:42:14pm |
re: #659 charlesincharge
Because God is a capitalist. I’m sure you know,if beer were “free” it would be in very short supply. 90% + of beer is made by people because they can sell it for money.
Well, I guess we have to bless capitalism, and God. It goes without saying that we’d bless beer! :)
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kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:44:05pm |
re: #657 pink freud
You said, and I quote: “…but in fact, many white southerners will have stories to tell about how white people from the north immediately tell their racist jokes to them, assuming that they have to think the same way, because they’re from the south right?”
Is it anecdotal, or is it fact?
You do this often. Your credibility is shot.
I have not seen — personally, in the south — that of which you speak.
I actually have a story from my dad. No link, it’s just part of the past. We lived in Minnesota, but my dad’s boat was registered in Alabama. He was in the Navy, BTW, that’s why the odd registration. Anyway, he went to launch in a lake and the man who ran the boat launch started talking to him about what racists southerners are. My dad just put up with it because he just wanted to launch the damn boat.
So then, here come a couple of Native-Americans from the reservation with fishing poles and the man goes off on them. They aren’t welcome at his launch. They and their kind can go fish someplace else.
My dad said “wasn’t that racist?”
The man replied, “they’re not human.”
That’s anecdotal, but it’s definitely true.
In any case — I have encountered racists of every color/religion/occupation all over this country. Including the south, but particularly in Chicago and New Jersey. I don’t fall into the trap of saying any one group is MORE racist than another. But I will defend a group from it, especially if that accusation is made by a biased source.
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Throbert McGee Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:44:55pm |
re: #548 iceweasel
Here’s an interesting slideshow of other racist images, tweets, emails, and statements made in the last few months about Obama— by Republicans.
Dated 7/7, so it doesn’t even include the most recent craziness.
[Link: nymag.com…]
Ice, here’s the big problem that I have with that article:
As they continue to navigate this moral gray area, most Republican Party members are erring on the side of … erring — making or endorsing racially tinged or outright offensive jokes via e-mail, Twitter, Facebook, and old-fashioned paper, then awkwardly apologizing once they’ve made an ass of themselves
Using “most” instead of some other quantitative modifier like “some” or “a disturbing number” or “too many” turns this from legitimate criticism into a cheap slur.
Incidentally, I also think that a few of the “racism” examples were actually quite trivial (albeit witless), and any African-Americans who feel offended by them badly need to work on developing their Not Being A Total Pansy skills.
I’m thinking, in particular, of the “fried chicken and watermelon” ones — yeah, they’re stereotypes, and pathetically hackneyed as “jokes,” but in the end all they do is attribute to blacks a propensity for loving certain foods that nearly everyone American of every hue enjoys cramming into their mouths.
In stark contrast, any black person would be quite justified in taking offense at the “witch doctor Obama” image, because what THAT attributes to blacks is pre-scientific ignorance and superstition. And while enjoying succulent fried chicken and watermelon is entirely harmless in moderation, being a superstitious ignoramus is a bad thing in any degree.
To offer a personal parallel (since I’m not black), if anyone were to say that “practically all gay men engage in bareback anal sex,” I’d be rather offended because barebacking (except possibly in the context of a 100% monogamous relationship) is such a sordidly irresponsible practice that has infected hundreds of thousands of idiotic gay men with HIV in the U.S. alone. And I don’t like having that kind of objectively bad badness attributed to those gay men who are responsible enough to always wear a raincoat for their bufu activities (never mind the minority of guys like me who avoid backdoor frolics altogether).
But if someone says “practically all gay men worship ABBA,” why should I give a flying fuck frot? Because even though it perpetuates a stereotype, there’s nothing at all harmful or disgraceful about appreciating ABBA’s music. (As opposed to, say, buying tickets for a Cher concert.)
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kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:50:42pm |
re: #658 ShanghaiEd
Nope, I guessed wrong on my prediction. More about that in a second.
I did not say “racism can only be found in the Republican party.” Ever.
I did not characterize all or even the majority of Republicans as racists.” Ever.Please look back to what I said: that over the time frame the slideshow covers, more Republicans have made headlines over racist comments than Democrats. When I’ve made that observation before, people acknowledge it’s true, but only because the liberal media doesn’t report on bad things Democrats say. Yet, they can give me links to any number of bad things Democrats say, as reported in the media. So if the media doesn’t report it, how did they find out? Catch 22.
I apologize. I thought you were going to use the “liberal media” explanation. You didn’t. Thank you.
Please show me where I have said what your note charges me with.
It’s said in the article with the slideshow that the IceWeasel posted. I didn’t mean to accuse you of it, but your steadfast support of that slideshow as proof of something does seem to be endorsement of the entire piece. Which implies that’s how you feel. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Is still think the slideshow is divisive, and the reporter is pursuing an agenda.
| 665 |
iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:54:10pm |
re: #662 kynna
i agree with you, and your dad’s anecdote completely reinforces the ones I’ve heard.
I think a lot of non-southerners in the US are happy to stereotype (falsely) the south as being filled with horrible racists, and this helps others to believe that they can’t be racist (even though they are).
I’m making a point about the flap over racism like that witch-doctor image, or some of the horrific stuff said by some extremists on the right now— those things are racist and condemning them can make it easier to pretend that ‘we’re not racists’, because we wouldn’t do those things.
I’m actually making a point about residual racism on the left and center, not condemning all republicans (and only republicans) for racism.
| 666 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:54:12pm |
re: #657 pink freud
I have not seen — personally, in the south — that of which you speak.
I have seen personally, in the south, that of which she speaks. Many, many of my friends have, as well.
I’ve never gone looking for it in links, but I feel certain some are there. How many would you like, in order to substantiate? Or do you need a scientific study? I don’t know of any that’s been done, so anecdotes are all I’ve got.
Want to compare Southerner credentials? :)
| 667 |
kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:56:57pm |
re: #663 Throbert McGee
I would upding you for the term “backdoor frolics” alone. LOL. Good points, though.
| 668 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:01:59pm |
re: #664 kynna
It’s said in the article with the slideshow that the IceWeasel posted. I didn’t mean to accuse you of it, but your steadfast support of that slideshow as proof of something does seem to be endorsement of the entire piece. Which implies that’s how you feel. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Is still think the slideshow is divisive, and the reporter is pursuing an agenda.
Thank you, kynna. I appreciate that.
I agree the slideshow is divisive, and that the reporter has an agenda. It’s divisive because it makes some people look bad. If someone were to do a similar piece about Democrats, it would also have an agenda and it would be divisive because it would make some people look bad. Doesn’t keep the facts from being true, though.
And by the way, your story about the boat launch was very moving to me. I’ve seen many similar examples, but few as heartbreakingly clear-cut as that one. Thanks for posting it.
| 669 |
iceweasel Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:05:05pm |
re: #663 Throbert McGee
Hey throbert— thanks for your comment, lots to think about.
I completely agree with you about the content of the snarky first page, btw— obviously not all or ‘most’ republicans are racists or sending racist mesages.
I have to disagree with you about some other things though:
I’m thinking, in particular, of the “fried chicken and watermelon” ones — yeah, they’re stereotypes, and pathetically hackneyed as “jokes,” but in the end all they do is attribute to blacks a propensity for loving certain foods that nearly everyone American of every hue enjoys cramming into their mouths.
Disagree, because of the long history of portraying black people in a racist way with those foods. It just isn’t the same. Compare this: I’m Irish, and I would find it really offensive if every portrayal of an Irish person involved alcohol— even though nearly every American of every background likes it. Portrayals of the Irish with alcohol are different because of the history in the US and the UK of portraying the Irish as subhuman and with a special love for the drink. In the same way, showing black people with fried chicken and watermelon has a special significance. I would have found emails of the White House under JFK showing potatoes growing and kegs in the Rose Garden to be offensive.
BTW, I agree with you about ABBA, as opposed to cher. :)
| 670 |
charlesincharge Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:11:58pm |
| 671 |
JohnH Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:23:08pm |
re: #590 ShanghaiEd
If you have a similar number of links to about racist Democrats, of roughly the same time frame and same prominence, please list them. Otherwise, you’re guessing.
I s’pose we could start with Ruth Bader Ginsburg spilling the beans about eugenics.
| 672 |
charlesincharge Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:26:23pm |
re: #661 iceweasel
Well, I guess we have to bless capitalism, and God. It goes without saying that we’d bless beer! :)
Couldn’t agree more. Here’s one for you.
| 674 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:35:19pm |
re: #657 pink freud
You said, and I quote: “…but in fact, many white southerners will have stories to tell about how white people from the north immediately tell their racist jokes to them, assuming that they have to think the same way, because they’re from the south right?”
Is it anecdotal, or is it fact?
You do this often. Your credibility is shot.
I have not seen — personally, in the south — that of which you speak.
I haven’t personally seen it either, Pink, but it is true, and can be seen in numerous TV shows and movies, that people think we in the South are racist heathens.
| 676 |
razorbacker Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:42:05pm |
Racist?
*Broad brush strokes. Outliers are to be expected.*
Some things that I have noticed by personal observation:
Navajo don’t like Hopi. Neither like Apaches. None of the three care much for Comanche. None of the four seem to like Mexicans too much. Mexicans return the lack of affection.
White southerners circa 1960 didn’t care for black southerners as a group, though often held individual blacks in high regard. Neither cared too much for northerners. Southerners circa 2009 still speak in what can only be called racist terms to each other. I am known as ‘Casper’ to Walt, who I call ‘Spooky’. When, in the early 70s Kibbs BBQ was an after hours juke joint I was known as ‘Spot’. Now that Kibbs has a couple of popular eating establishments I’m called ‘White Debbil’ when I go into the kitchen to see the cook. Walt calls the part of Arkansas in which I live ‘Honky Heaven’ while I still refer to his area of Arkansas as the ‘Plantation’. It does not detract from our friendship, which dates back to 1959. We don’t agree on lots of things. Walt’s momma used to whip me harder than she did Walt, but my aunt still scares Walt spitless. For a backwards, racist area, there is a lot of interracial dating and marriage.
Blacks in the south used to be spread out pretty much everywhere. Now they are concentrated in more urban areas. This has less to do with racism than it has to do with the decline in manpower needed to work the land. When you don’t live with people, it is easy to marginalize or demonize them. As it is in much of the country, the most segregated day of the week is Sunday. Churches are still mostly one color or another.
The real difference among Americans is class and lately money. One might say that as race-mixing becomes the norm, class will become the only difference.
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yochanan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:43:02pm |
re: #633 nikis-knight
would depend on the reporter with some of them it would just be a truthful observation
| 678 |
ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:55:04pm |
re: #671 JohnH
I s’pose we could start with Ruth Bader Ginsburg spilling the beans about eugenics.
John: Great place to start. Please go for it.
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charlesincharge Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:59:09pm |
re: #677 yochanan
would depend on the reporter with some of them it would just be a truthful observation
IIRC they were speaking of a New York Times reporter. Don’t recall the name but it doesn’t matter that place is an A-hole farm.
| 680 |
yochanan Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:08:24pm |
re: #679 charlesincharge
my point exactly esp with that fish wrap
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:09:48pm |
re: #674 reine.de.tout
I haven’t personally seen it either, Pink, but it is true, and can be seen in numerous TV shows and movies, that people think we in the South are racist heathens.
Reine: Yep. Here’s one of my anecdotal observations, for what it’s worth…
I have an acquaintance who’s an aeronautical engineer. He was working somewhere in NY state, when he was offered a much better job at the huge NASA facility in Huntsville, Alabama.
He was in a cab en route to the NYC airport when the driver struck up a conversation: “Where are you going?” etc. He told the driver he was moving to Alabama. The man looked horrified.
“Alabama? Holy sh*t!” he exclaimed.
The engineer laughed and said, “What’s wrong with Alabama?”
“Well, you’d better watch yourself,” the driver said. “You know, the people down there are not exactly rocket scientists.”
“You’re not going to believe this,” the engineer said, “but where I’m moving to, everybody is a rocket scientist.”
The driver then changed the subject, to N-word jokes.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:16:10pm |
re: #681 ShanghaiEd
Reine: Yep. Here’s one of my anecdotal observations, for what it’s worth…
I have an acquaintance who’s an aeronautical engineer. He was working somewhere in NY state, when he was offered a much better job at the huge NASA facility in Huntsville, Alabama.
He was in a cab en route to the NYC airport when the driver struck up a conversation: “Where are you going?” etc. He told the driver he was moving to Alabama. The man looked horrified.
“Alabama? Holy sh*t!” he exclaimed.
The engineer laughed and said, “What’s wrong with Alabama?”
“Well, you’d better watch yourself,” the driver said. “You know, the people down there are not exactly rocket scientists.”
“You’re not going to believe this,” the engineer said, “but where I’m moving to, everybody is a rocket scientist.”
The driver then changed the subject, to N-word jokes.
holy crap!
I’m not surprised, Ed, either by the assumption that people in Alabama are stupid, OR by the final sentence.
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psyop Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:19:13pm |
As of this moment, by his statements and actions, Obama has made it clear he has no idea about the protocols and procedures and pressures that law enforcement (and military, by extension) have upon their shoulders.
This makes me angry. As POTUS, he should have never involved himself in a jurisdictional matter. If I were a police officer (an honorable one, at that), my next traffic stop, domestic disturbance call, drug bust, patrol, et cetera, would be dominated by the thought that if the suspect (not the criminal, just the person suspected of something until proven otherwise) were to be black, all he would have to do is cry “racism”, and not only would my career be called into question (distinguished as it may be), the POTUS would make it a point to belittle me and my decisions, regardless of whether or not I acted in accordance to my precincts standard operating procedures.
What a horrible thing to have to worry about, as a Law Enforcement Officer. I know one thing for sure. I would have never had to worry about that under G.W.B. Or Clinton, for that matter.
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:22:43pm |
re: #679 charlesincharge
IIRC they were speaking of a New York Times reporter. Don’t recall the name but it doesn’t matter that place is an A-hole farm.
Actually, a writer for New York Magazine, charles.
But you can’t trust anything anybody in New York says. Even if they cite factual sources for it. Damn liberals. Or all of New England, for that matter. Actually, the whole East Coast. Worthless. Sure cuts down on the stuff I have to read, to get a balanced picture of things, politically.
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kynna Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:40:33pm |
re: #684 ShanghaiEd
Actually, a writer for New York Magazine, charles.
But you can’t trust anything anybody in New York says. Even if they cite factual sources for it. Damn liberals. Or all of New England, for that matter. Actually, the whole East Coast. Worthless. Sure cuts down on the stuff I have to read, to get a balanced picture of things, politically.
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I think he’s referring to the Bush/Cheney ‘asshole/big time’ conversation. That guy’s last name was Clymer. For years after that ‘scandal’ the word Clymer was synonymous with the word ‘asshole’. I’m not sure if that’s still true. But Cheney is still nicknamed ‘big time’.
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:43:20pm |
re: #685 kynna
I think he’s referring to the Bush/Cheney ‘asshole/big time’ conversation. That guy’s last name was Clymer. For years after that ‘scandal’ the word Clymer was synonymous with the word ‘asshole’. I’m not sure if that’s still true. But Cheney is still nicknamed ‘big time’.
Oops. Sorry, kynna. I assumed he was talking about the NY Mag article.
My mistake. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Charpete67 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:46:29pm |
In a recent Rasmussen poll it showed that BHO has a 41% approval rating among whites and a 97% approval rating among blacks. Racism in this country will continue to be an issue not only until whites can judge people by the content of their character, but when blacks do as well.
In the same way that black people accuse white police officers of being racist, BHO accused that police officer of being racist because he was white.
Rasmussen webpage data:
July 20, 2009: The President earns approval from 41% of white voters, 97% of black voters, and 58% of all other voters.
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dapperdave Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:56:36pm |
I seen this on a bumper sticker a few months ago
“OH NO, NOT ANOTHER LEARNING EXPERIENCE”
it seems to fit the occasion.
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:07:07pm |
re: #687 Charpete67
In a recent Rasmussen poll it showed that BHO has a 41% approval rating among whites and a 97% approval rating among blacks. Racism in this country will continue to be an issue not only until whites can judge people by the content of their character, but when blacks do as well.
In the same way that black people accuse white police officers of being racist, BHO accused that police officer of being racist because he was white.
Rasmussen webpage data:
July 20, 2009: The President earns approval from 41% of white voters, 97% of black voters, and 58% of all other voters.
Charpete: I hope I’m misreading you. Are you suggesting that black people are racist because they approve of President Obama’s performance? Or are you saying that 97 percent of black people are poor judges of character?
Either way, I don’t like the direction you’re going. Please enlighten me.
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Dr. Shalit Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:12:08pm |
The moment IS certainly “teachable.” The question is whether Pres. Obama will choose to be EDUCABLE in this matter. Time will tell.
-S-
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Charpete67 Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:26:15pm |
re: #689 ShanghaiEd
Charpete: I hope I’m misreading you. Are you suggesting that black people are racist because they approve of President Obama’s performance? Or are you saying that 97 percent of black people are poor judges of character?
Either way, I don’t like the direction you’re going. Please enlighten me.
97% of black people are racist and poor judges of character?…hardly, and don’t like that you see it that way. If 97% of white people supported a white president, would you say that 97% of white people are racist and poor judges of character?…of course not.
I will say that if 97% of white people supported a white candidate over a black candidate, you would have to assume that race is a factor…not all 97% are racist, but to say that only 3% oppose the policies and performance of any president in a country that is almost evenly divided would be difficult to believe.
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charlesincharge Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:30:07pm |
re: #684 ShanghaiEd
Actually, a writer for New York Magazine, charles.
But you can’t trust anything anybody in New York says. Even if they cite factual sources for it. Damn liberals. Or all of New England, for that matter. Actually, the whole East Coast. Worthless. Sure cuts down on the stuff I have to read, to get a balanced picture of things, politically.
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I resemble that remark! I get your point. I trust everything some New Yorkers said. My father was born and raised in Manhattan. He lived and worked in NYC his whole life. That is until his 3rd child was born(yours truly). Then he moved wayyy out to the ‘burbs. Less than 18 miles due East of the Empire State Building. He commuted every day to Manhattan and read The NY Times everyday on the train. That man never lied to me in his life.My four brothers also work in Manhattan they don’t lie either.
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ShanghaiEd Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:36:33pm |
re: #691 Charpete67
97% of black people are racist and poor judges of character?…hardly, and don’t like that you see it that way. If 97% of white people supported a white president, would you say that 97% of white people are racist and poor judges of character?…of course not.
I will say that if 97% of white people supported a white candidate over a black candidate, you would have to assume that race is a factor…not all 97% are racist, but to say that only 3% oppose the policies and performance of any president in a country that is almost evenly divided would be difficult to believe.
In that case, I don’t understand what you mean by this:
Racism in this country will continue to be an issue not only until whites can judge people by the content of their character, but when blacks do as well.
So having a different political view than you is a character flaw, in black people?
Maybe it’s just me, but it seems like you’re implying a lot more than you’re willing to say outright. But I’ll let this one go, and move on to other things.
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azcon Fri, Jul 24, 2009 7:34:59pm |
Can we always use “bad word choice” as an excuse like Nobama and Sotominor?
Like if a called my wife a name… I could just say oh sorry that was bad word choice. I should have left the word dumb off the beginning and all would be forgiven? It doesn’t work that way in my experience.
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Frater Eosphoros Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:07:42pm |
He continues to act stupidly, so I will never listen to him. Pretender to the POTUS.
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Pupdawg Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:34:27pm |
re: #8 lifeofthemind
The Audacity of Hope = The Arrogance of Spin
For some reason or lack there of when thinking of Obama, the word ‘mendacity’ comes to mind along with a debilitating migraine from the mere thinking about Obama.
Someone should start an Obama-isms list, but that might be a stupidly thing to do.
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PamZ Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:39:09pm |
As far as Bush apologizing, I googled it and found this:
Hmmm. I don’t know how to make it into a hyperlink. But I guess y’all can cut and paste until I learn. A teachable moment, right?
He also apologized to auto workers for an off-the-cuff comment:
[Link: www.encyclopedia.com…]
I’m positive there are others.
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el polacko Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:28:05pm |
barack says in his non-apology that he should have “calibrated” his words better .. ?? whatever the hell that means. i hate when people use ‘big words’ inappropriately. looks like our genius-in-chief needs a little brush-up on his vocabulary.
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Sacred Plants Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:57:16am |
“I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”
So this individual notices that a cop is approaching… what could be wrong with not giving a cop a benefit of the doubt? After all, sovereignty is a divine gift to the individual, who decides to borrow it to the state (or not), and not the other way round. If a cop intends to interfere with individual sovereignty it should be able to reason, or get rejected like any non governmental thug attempting subordination games against random encounters.
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Frater Eosphoros Sat, Jul 25, 2009 9:16:41am |
Obama continues to act stupidly. I will not listen to a pretender to the POTUS.
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NCusTranshumanist Sat, Jul 25, 2009 10:23:55am |
Someone using the term “teachable moment” really just makes me want to punch them in the nose. Anyone else?
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ThomasLite Sat, Jul 25, 2009 4:49:22pm |
re: #693 ShanghaiEd
So having a different political view than you is a character flaw, in black people?
Maybe it’s just me, but it seems like you’re implying a lot more than you’re willing to say outright. But I’ll let this one go, and move on to other things.
that’s actually not what he said at all. the appearance would be that race factors in simply because 97% appreciation in any demographic is highly improbable. it would strongly suggest they approve pretty much just because he’s black — which, is racism as well. it’s positive discrimination, but it discriminates based on skin color just as well.
it’s a shame, really. basically it shows that many people (make that most people) don’t even look at his actual views to judge him. kind of disappointing I’d say.
not that I’m saying that’s a racial characteristic, mind you, stupidity is both universal and potentially infinite ;) it’s just a crying shame that because people like him just for the color of his skin, it’s going to be nigh impossible to discuss his politics while leaving all the nonsense about skin color behind.
of course, we’ve known that for ages now.
(my apologies for my english, I’m not a native speaker and haven’t had much practice lately)
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