Amazon CEO Apologizes for Orwell Deletions

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Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos has personally apologized for their misguided deletion of two George Orwell novels from customers’ Kindles: An Apology from Amazon - kindle Discussion Forum.

This is an apology for the way we previously handled illegally sold copies of 1984 and other novels on Kindle. Our “solution” to the problem was stupid, thoughtless, and painfully out of line with our principles. It is wholly self-inflicted, and we deserve the criticism we’ve received. We will use the scar tissue from this painful mistake to help make better decisions going forward, ones that match our mission.

With deep apology to our customers,

Jeff Bezos
Founder & CEO
amazon.com

Now that is a genuine apology.

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1 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:28:25pm

I feel most sorry for the kid who was writing a book report (I thought I read about that here), and lost everything. Whoops!

2 pink freud  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:28:27pm

Now there's an apology. Could be a teachable moment for 0bama.

3 big steve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:28:33pm

I got to say, that was one of the best apologizes I have ever read. Too bad our President can't bring himself to apologize so well.

4 jcbunga  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:28:37pm

They've experienced a teachable moment.

5 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:28:52pm

Irony meter broke on that one.

6 big steve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:28:57pm

re: #2 pink freud

Now there's an apology. Could be a teachable moment for 0bama.

you beat me!

7 KenJen  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:28:57pm

Now that's how you apologize.

8 Macker  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:29:00pm

Hmmm...who's bitchin' about the deletions in the first place: Liberals or Conservatives?

9 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:29:06pm

A responsible and respectful statement.

10 redshirt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:29:37pm

Can they make it so that they are unable to do that again, rather than promising not to do it again?

11 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:29:43pm

if only government were run like a business...

12 pink freud  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:30:00pm

Not an imperfect apology!

13 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:30:07pm

re: #11 spacejesus

if only government were run like a business...

Jeff Bezos 2012!

14 big steve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:30:20pm

In fact, it was nearly a "Japanese" apology in its elegance.

15 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:31:06pm

Owning your actions and their consequences - what a refreshing change.

16 KenJen  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:31:23pm

re: #11 spacejesus

if only government were run like a business...

..Obama would have been fired months ago, without severance.

17 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:31:39pm

It's Apology Friday here at LGF.

/Sorry if that offends anyone.

18 Cathypop  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:31:45pm

Amazing! I up-dinged Space Jesus for making sense. Will it last long?

19 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:31:46pm

Now THAT is an apology.

20 Unakite  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:32:16pm

If only BHO would apologize for his Orwellian speech...

21 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:32:31pm

Big dog does it right. Little dog whines and makes a mess on the floor

22 big steve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:32:40pm

re: #18 Cathypop

Amazing! I up-dinged Space Jesus for making sense. Will it last long?

now that is something YOU should apologize for!

23 Syrah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:32:53pm

OK by me.

Moving on . . .

24 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:32:59pm

re: #1 Ward Cleaver

I feel most sorry for the kid who was writing a book report (I thought I read about that here), and lost everything. Whoops!

It's not every day that you have headlines to back up your excuse for turning your book report in late.

25 Rexatosis  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:33:06pm

Wow, I wish my bank, credit card company, utilities, government would do the same when they screw up.

26 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:33:16pm

re: #18 Cathypop

Amazing! I up-dinged Space Jesus for making sense. Will it last long?

Nah, it will probably revert to form and lose its gain.

27 redshirt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:33:20pm
Our “solution” to the problem was stupid, t


An excellent example of acting stupid without being stupid.
Listening Mr. President?

28 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:33:23pm

re: #17 CyanSnowHawk

It's Apology Friday here at LGF.

/Sorry if that offends anyone.

Okay, I'm sorry that 0bama is an asshole.

29 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:33:25pm

The difference between Bezos and Obama is that Bezos says he learns from "scar tissue." You don't get scar tissue with Teflon.

30 KenJen  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:33:36pm

re: #17 CyanSnowHawk

It's Apology Friday here at LGF.

/Sorry if that offends anyone.

Sorry to say that I'm offended./

31 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:34:12pm

re: #24 CyanSnowHawk

It's not every day that you have headlines to back up your excuse for turning your book report in late.

Olden days: "the dog ate my homework"
Modern days: "My computer got a virus and deleted my homework"

32 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:34:31pm

re: #24 CyanSnowHawk

It's not every day that you have headlines to back up your excuse for turning your book report in late.

It beats the hell out of "my dog at my homework". More like, "Jeff Bezos ate my homework".

33 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:34:50pm

Amazon will be feeling this one for at least a year. At least they can give an apology and explanation after the screw ups. One selling the books illegally and then erasing them without much notice to the customers.

34 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:35:34pm

Why they will continue to be a profitable company.

35 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:36:26pm

Mistakes happen. We've all experienced poor customer service before. But it's when a company goes out of its way to correct the problem that you get a chance to see just what sort of company it is you're doing business with- and in this case, I'm satisfied Amazon has integrity. They will continue to get my business.

36 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:36:41pm

re: #20 Unakite

Do you think he could be a character in an Ayn Rand novel?

37 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:37:07pm

I'm sorry, too, Dmitri... I'm very sorry... *All right*, you're sorrier than I am, but I am as sorry as well... I am as sorry as you are, Dmitri! Don't say that you're more sorry than I am, because I'm capable of being just as sorry as you are... So we're both sorry, all right?... All right.
- Dr. Strangelove

38 jorline  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:37:17pm

Obama says he didn't mean to slight Cambridge police


President Obama said Friday he spoke with the police officer who arrested a Harvard professor and told the officer he did not mean to malign the Cambridge Police Department.

Obama's phone conversation came about two hours after police unions said Obama should apologize to members of the Cambridge Police Department for saying they acted stupidly, the president of a city police union said Friday.

Dennis O'Connor, president of the Cambridge Police Superior Officers Association, also took aim at Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, who reportedly has characterized the arrest as "every black man's nightmare and a reality for many black men."

Echoing the words of arresting officer Sgt. James Crowley -- who handcuffed Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. last week -- O'Connor said he was dismayed that the president and governor would opine on the issue without all the details.

Stupid comment by the Governor and the President.

39 kynna  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:37:44pm

This apology should be a teachable moment to all who were satisfied with Obama's apology. I think it's kind of uplifting to see the market at work. I would love for Obama to feel the pressure of the free market, but he's never had a job in that particular area, so ... not likely.

40 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:38:54pm

Bezos is O'Brien?

Who knew!

///

41 subsailor68  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:39:11pm

This is an apology for the way I previously handled the Gates issue. My “solution” to the problem was stupid, thoughtless, and painfully out of line with American principles. It is wholly self-inflicted, and I deserve the criticism I’ve received. I will use the scar tissue from this painful mistake to help make better decisions going forward, ones that match my fellow Americans.

With deep apology,

Barack Obama
President
United States of America

See how simple it can be Mr. President?

42 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:41:09pm

In the meantime our Chief Diplomat and the North Koreans are throwing poo at each other. This was the gang that was going to restore the world's respect and affection and trust for us?

43 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:41:24pm

Compare and contrast. Bezos issues a genuine apology without any weasel words or blaming others for his mess. He's the captain of the ship - the buck stops there, and he takes personal responsibility for the screwup in the Kindle deletions.

That's in comparison to what Obama has done repeatedly, and most recently with the nonsensical statements re: the Cambridge police kerfuffle with a Harvard college professor. He was busy making asinine statements without all the facts in hand, and then tried to walk back from the mess through his subordinates.

That's precisely how not to issue an apology or handle the situation.

Now, with Bezos, you could argue that this was a belated apology, and you would be right - but the apology was unequivocal.

That's where the Bezos apology is superior to that of the many other political "apologies" we've seen in recent years - that apologize only to those who were offended, rather than to everyone for their frakking mistakes. They never take personal responsibility for their actions, and instead blame others for misinterpreting or taking things out of context, etc.

Too bad this kind of apology will be few and far between. A lot more good will comes from this than the weasel-worded variety.

44 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:42:08pm

re: #42 lifeofthemind

In the meantime our Chief Diplomat and the North Koreans are throwing poo at each other. This was the gang that was going to restore the world's respect and affection and trust for us?

Maybe it'll work. Everybody loves a good poo-fight.
/

45 KenJen  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:42:21pm

re: #33 Idle Drifter

Amazon will be feeling this one for at least a year. At least they can give an apology and explanation after the screw ups. One selling the books illegally and then erasing them without much notice to the customers.

I don't think it will hurt them . People seem to love their Kindles. If you read thru the comments in the forum, most seem to accept the apology and say they will remain Amazon customers.

46 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:43:11pm

I could see this kindling some resentment amongst die-hard Amazon fans.

47 MJ  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:44:36pm

OT:

So who just gave the Palestinians even more money? You guessed it:

Direct Budget Assistance to the Palestinian Authority

Bureau of Public Affairs

Office of the Spokesman

Washington, DC

July 24, 2009


---


The United States is the leading provider of bilateral economic and development aid to the Palestinians, providing an estimated $2.5 billion through USAID since 1993. The $200 million in direct budget assistance to the Palestinian Authority (PA) that the Secretary announced July 24 represents the single largest transfer of budget support to the PA from any country since its inception. It is a part of the $900 million pledge for 2009 that the Secretary announced at the March 2 donors’ conference in Sharm al-Sheikh to address the immediate needs of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza and support our longer-term approach of fostering the conditions in which a Palestinian state can be realized.


The United States is committed to improving the humanitarian situation in Gaza. In 2009, the United States has provided more than $72 million to date in humanitarian assistance to the people of Gaza through the United Nations Consolidated Appeal (CAP) and other partner organizations.


In 2008, the U.S. was the single largest national donor to the Palestinian Authority. The U.S. exceeded its Paris Donors’ Conference pledge of $555 million (December 2007), committing more than $600 million in assistance to the PA in calendar year 2008, including:

· $239 million for activities in economic growth, democracy and governance, food assistance, education, health, and water supply to the PA.


· An additional $300 million in direct budget support to the PA for debt owed to commercial vendors and financial institutions.


· $75 million for security sector reform.


In addition, in fiscal year 2008 the U.S. provided $184.7 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance (MRA) and Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance (ERMA) funds to United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) for assistance to Palestinian refugees in the West Bank, Gaza, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria.


48 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:45:22pm

According to the TV, Zelaya is hanging out on the Honduran border ready to re-enter the country as we speak.
Bad move, Z.

49 lifeofthemind  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:45:40pm

When I make a mistake, it's a beaut!
- Fiorello Laguardia

50 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:45:50pm

I want monetary compensation...50k

jus kidding...a fine apology

51 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:45:56pm

re: #43 lawhawk

It makes me think of Johnson & Johnson and the Tylenol tampering case. J&J hadn't caused the problem, but they took full responsibility for making things right and protecting the public. They maintained the confidence of the public and that case is still taught in public relations classes as a model of how to handle a catastrophe.

52 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:45:59pm

One result of this has been that Amazon has now been promoted to the very highest levels of the illuminati. Apparently this was all an experiment to test the apathy of the sheeple in the advent of some sort of planned kindlepocaplypse to come:

53 Macker  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:46:06pm

re: #41 subsailor68

This is an apology for the way I previously handled the Gates issue. My “solution” to the problem was stupid, thoughtless, and painfully out of line with American principles. It is wholly self-inflicted, and I deserve the criticism I’ve received. I will use the scar tissue from this painful mistake to help make better decisions going forward, ones that match my fellow Americans.

With deep apology,

Barack Obama
President
United States of America

See how simple it can be Mr. President?

That...would be the case in a parallel universe.

54 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:46:48pm

Does anyone else not see the irony of them deleting of all the books in the world, 1984? I am glad they stepped up to the plate and did the right thing. The capability to go back into your Kindle and delete stuff is still there though, right? Can you back up the books you buy, just in case?

55 MikeAlv77  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:46:49pm

re: #46 Creeping Eruption

I could see this kindling some resentment amongst die-hard Amazon fans.

Ok... enough of that punny stuff now. Ano one who writes more puns on this thread has to issue an apology...

//

56 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:46:57pm

(To preface, I have absolutely no interest in Kindle, but with that said ...)

I agree, Charles.
THAT is an apology!
Sincerest *salute* to Mr. Bezos.
You, sir, have my respect.

57 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:47:03pm

re: #46 Creeping Eruption

I could see this kindling some resentment amongst die-hard Amazon fans.

A good resolution would be for Amazon to work to get the rights holders to allow the books to be published for Kindle, and then send a free download to those who had them taken away.

58 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:47:32pm

re: #48 Lincolntf

According to the TV, Zelaya is hanging out on the Honduran border ready to re-enter the country as we speak.
Bad move, Z.

VIVA ZELAYA!

59 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:47:36pm

re: #48 Lincolntf

According to the TV, Zelaya is hanging out on the Honduran border ready to re-enter the country as we speak.
Bad move, Z.

He'd have better luck getting into this country.

60 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:47:45pm

re: #53 Macker

That...would be the case in a parallel universe.

You mean we have the Barack with the goatee?? He must shave it off every morning (along with Michelle's as well?)

61 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:48:03pm

The Orwell deletions were Orwellian.

How would a Jane Austen deletion look? A Mark Twain deletion? How about a Stephen King deletion? (It goes away, but you spend a really long time looking over your shoulder just in case.)

62 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:48:26pm

re: #3 big steve

I got to say, that was one of the best apologizes I have ever read. Too bad our President can't bring himself to apologize so well.

He will use this apology to form the basis of his heartfelt apologies to Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, and Cuba.

63 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:48:27pm

re: #43 lawhawk

Compare and contrast. Bezos issues a genuine apology without any weasel words or blaming others for his mess. He's the captain of the ship - the buck stops there, and he takes personal responsibility for the screwup in the Kindle deletions.

That's in comparison to what Obama has done repeatedly, and most recently with the nonsensical statements re: the Cambridge police kerfuffle with a Harvard college professor. He was busy making asinine statements without all the facts in hand, and then tried to walk back from the mess through his subordinates.

That's precisely how not to issue an apology or handle the situation.

Now, with Bezos, you could argue that this was a belated apology, and you would be right - but the apology was unequivocal.

That's where the Bezos apology is superior to that of the many other political "apologies" we've seen in recent years - that apologize only to those who were offended, rather than to everyone for their frakking mistakes. They never take personal responsibility for their actions, and instead blame others for misinterpreting or taking things out of context, etc.

Too bad this kind of apology will be few and far between. A lot more good will comes from this than the weasel-worded variety.

I think that, for the company, this was the right thing to do. I wonder if Bezos' people will feel that they've tried to do the right thing and were thrown under the Amazon bus?

64 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:48:30pm

re: #54 Desert Dog

Does anyone else not see the irony of them deleting of all the books in the world, 1984? I am glad they stepped up to the plate and did the right thing. The capability to go back into your Kindle and delete stuff is still there though, right? Can you back up the books you buy, just in case?

Irony meters around the world didn't just peg, they exploded.

65 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:48:31pm

Bezos actually admits to his stupidity. Now that's a breath of fresh air.

66 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:48:43pm

re: #54 Desert Dog

Does anyone else not see the irony of them deleting of all the books in the world, 1984? I am glad they stepped up to the plate and did the right thing. The capability to go back into your Kindle and delete stuff is still there though, right? Can you back up the books you buy, just in case?

My understanding is that you own the device, not the content.

67 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:48:51pm

re: #33 Idle Drifter

Amazon will be feeling this one for at least a year. At least they can give an apology and explanation after the screw ups. One selling the books illegally and then erasing them without much notice to the customers.

I've never had a single bad dealing with Amazon.

68 subsailor68  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:49:27pm

I might vote to delete Barack Obama's next book, "The Unbearable Rightness of Being Me."

69 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:49:39pm

re: #66 wahabicorridor

My understanding is that you own the device, not the content.

wow...I think I'll stick with my old fashioned tree killers then

70 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:49:41pm

re: #59 Ward Cleaver

Sad but true.
CNN and Fox are saying he plans to "walk into the country". This could get ugly, or he could just be quietly arrested.
Worth watching.

71 Syrah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:49:56pm

re: #48 Lincolntf

According to the TV, Zelaya is hanging out on the Honduran border ready to re-enter the country as we speak.
Bad move, Z.

It will lead to war.

72 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:50:09pm

re: #58 albusteve

VIVA ZELAYA!

is this him?
Image: 22.jpg

73 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:50:51pm

re: #45 KenJen

I don't think it will hurt them . People seem to love their Kindles. If you read thru the comments in the forum, most seem to accept the apology and say they will remain Amazon customers.

On reflection I think you're right. The vast majority of users and customers will use Amazon without much thought to the screw up as they would be satisfied with the apology. There's always that "10% Rule" that will never be satisfied and will scream and kick just because they can.

10% Rule:
It's not likely it'll actually be 10% but that the small percentage is full of noisy idiots, bigots, radicals, troublemakers, cheaters, etc, etc, etc.

74 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:50:58pm

re: #70 Lincolntf

Sad but true.
CNN and Fox are saying he plans to "walk into the country". This could get ugly, or he could just be quietly arrested.
Worth watching.

He just wants a spectacle for the cameras, to try to get some sympathy from the UN, OAS, etc.

75 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:51:00pm

re: #68 subsailor68

I might vote to delete Barack Obama's next book, "The Unbearable Rightness of Being Me."

LOL. Or, "The Unbearable Rightness of My Being"

76 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:51:03pm

I'm getting lots of hate mail over that racist witch doctor image, by the way. Five so far today.

77 Curt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:51:08pm

re: #43 lawhawk


That's where the Bezos apology is superior to that of the many other political "apologies" we've seen in recent years - that apologize only to those who were offended, rather than to everyone for their frakking mistakes. They never take personal responsibility for their actions, and instead blame others for misinterpreting or taking things out of context, etc.

Bezos is rated on reality based on the bottom line. Politicians are always working to "shape" the communications, so that they can make things appear as they are not, so they may be allowed to return to the trough for more pork and special favors for granting special favors by stealing taxes in one state to give to another, and like opportunities.

Sadly, "we" put them back, I think 95% of the time. I hate the thought of mandated terms limits, but, like with alcoholics and other addicted behaviors, who's gonna have the "intervention?" Seems like no one right now. If we don't, we keep letting them indulge in destructive behaviors. Maybe it is time for term limits until they prove they can demonstrate some self control.

78 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:51:19pm

re: #72 albusteve

is this him?
[Link: ojinaga.com...]

Nah, he's shorter.

79 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:51:53pm

re: #71 Syrah

It will lead to war.

I wonder what the OAS, Hugo and his new BFF Barack will say when the shooting starts?

80 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:51:55pm

re: #55 MikeAlv77

Ok... enough of that punny stuff now. Ano one who writes more puns on this thread has to issue an apology...

//

Stake out your claim and penitent on it, why don't you?

81 MikeAlv77  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:51:58pm

re: #67 debutaunt

I've never had a single bad dealing with Amazon.

I had a bad deal with Amazon but they made good and it was with one of their marketplace vendors, not them. Was buying an ipod and the guy sold a bunch of low priced items and had a good rating. He then put up a bunch of high priced items, took the payment and then said he shipped it. BUT... he put a long ship time (6 weeks).. bunch of us got swindled but Amazon made good and refunded the money within a week after my claim was in.

Something to be careful of since this kind scam can occur

82 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:52:00pm

re: #76 Charles

I'm getting lots of hate mail over that racist witch doctor image, by the way. Five so far today.

"Thank you for sharing!"

83 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:52:22pm

I just agreed to take the kids to the beach tomorrow. I will now spend the rest of the day assembling the jaw-dropping amount of stuff it takes to keep a child happy & well at the beach.

84 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:52:33pm

re: #74 Ward Cleaver

He's already got all that support. I'm guessing that he wants his power back and is hoping for a popular uprising in support of him reclaiming it.

85 hazzyday  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:53:00pm

re: #1 Ward Cleaver

I feel most sorry for the kid who was writing a book report (I thought I read about that here), and lost everything. Whoops!

Bezos ate my homework.

86 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:53:13pm

re: #38 jorline

Obama says he didn't mean to slight Cambridge police

Stupid comment by the Governor and the President.

President Obama said Friday he spoke with the police officer who arrested a Harvard professor and told the officer he did not mean to malign the Cambridge Police Department.

Still can't bring himself to say "I'm sorry. I was wrong."

87 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:53:19pm

re: #33 Idle Drifter

Amazon will be feeling this one for at least a year. At least they can give an apology and explanation after the screw ups. One selling the books illegally and then erasing them without much notice to the customers.

I don't think so. He spoke his truth with integrity. And that will most likely cut the legs off of this.

All my dealings with Amazon have been good. I feel even better about them now.

88 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:53:19pm

re: #84 Lincolntf

He's already got all that support. I'm guessing that he wants his power back and is hoping for a popular uprising in support of him reclaiming it.

He's done. He should be concentrating on finding a good retirement place.

89 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:53:21pm

Bezos - Steps up like a man.

Obama - Has no fucking clue what that means.

90 Syrah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:53:23pm

re: #79 Desert Dog

I wonder what the OAS, Hugo and his new BFF Barack will say when the shooting starts?

They will blame Bush.

91 Big Steve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:53:25pm

re: #76 Charles

I'm getting lots of hate mail over that racist witch doctor image, by the way. Five so far today.

Hate that you even showed it or hate that you made fun of it?

92 Curt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:53:29pm

re: #65 Lincolntf

Bezos actually admits to his stupidity. Now that's a breath of fresh air.

Even though no one probably asked for his decision on the matter. makes it even more striking: "My watch, my mistake."

93 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:53:40pm

Oh, and today's walkback from promises made by the President?

How about the government standing behind all those GM and Chrysler warranties as President Obama said?

That's over. Done. Kaput.

Newly installed car czar Ron Bloom (who has no car industry experience btw), says that the crisis has passed and the government doesn't need to back those warranties.

On one level, I have no problem with this move. It should never have been promised in the first place (just like the government should never have provided the bailouts). However, now that they put the government behind those warranties, that was an inducement to some to buy - and now the warranties are gone - evaporated back into whatever GM and Chrysler can cobble together on their own.

94 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:54:14pm

re: #76 Charles

I'm getting lots of hate mail over that racist witch doctor image, by the way. Five so far today.

Anything original or is it just standard ranting hatred?

95 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:54:17pm

re: #86 Russkilitlover

Still can't bring himself to say "I'm sorry. I was wrong."

"I'm sorry. He was wrong."

(points at gibbs)

96 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:54:37pm

re: #52 Jimmah

10% Rule includes Conspiracy Nuts

97 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:54:42pm

re: #91 Big Steve

Hate that you even showed it or hate that you made fun of it?

the crude derisive names are the best part...some are really clever

98 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:55:00pm

re: #81 MikeAlv77

I had a bad deal with Amazon but they made good and it was with one of their marketplace vendors, not them. Was buying an ipod and the guy sold a bunch of low priced items and had a good rating. He then put up a bunch of high priced items, took the payment and then said he shipped it. BUT... he put a long ship time (6 weeks).. bunch of us got swindled but Amazon made good and refunded the money within a week after my claim was in.

Something to be careful of since this kind scam can occur

Absolutely, but you story shows that you won't get stuck and bad vendors are gone as soon as they prove to be cheats.

99 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:55:11pm

re: #68 subsailor68

I might vote to delete Barack Obama's next book, "The Unbearable Rightness of Being Me."

Well said, subsailor!

100 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:55:13pm

re: #92 Curt

I'm guessing he might have signed off on it. It's a pretty drastic move to make without the boss-man's okay.

101 hazzyday  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:55:13pm

re: #81 MikeAlv77

I had a bad deal with Amazon but they made good and it was with one of their marketplace vendors, not them. Was buying an ipod and the guy sold a bunch of low priced items and had a good rating. He then put up a bunch of high priced items, took the payment and then said he shipped it. BUT... he put a long ship time (6 weeks).. bunch of us got swindled but Amazon made good and refunded the money within a week after my claim was in.

Something to be careful of since this kind scam can occur

I tried to get off their Prime network, I was one day late and ended up paying them for a years service I never used. Their customer support just stonewalled me. Other then that Amazon is a great service. But I make an effort to shop at Powell's now and other smaller services.

102 Syrah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:55:24pm

re: #83 EmmmieG

I just agreed to take the kids to the beach tomorrow. I will now spend the rest of the day assembling the jaw-dropping amount of stuff it takes to keep a child happy & well at the beach.

Swim suits, towels and food.

Anything more than that makes the trip about the stuff that you brought or left behind.

Simplicity leads to serenity

103 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:55:27pm

re: #87 Bobibutu

See my #73

104 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:55:56pm

re: #76 Charles

I'm getting lots of hate mail over that racist witch doctor image, by the way. Five so far today.

Has anyone (yet) accused Stinky of leaving behind a high incidence of infection after his surgical removals?

/just sayin' you have something to look forward to ... :D

105 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:56:02pm

re: #41 subsailor68

This is an apology for the way I previously handled the Gates issue. My “solution” to the problem was stupid, thoughtless, and painfully out of line with American principles. It is wholly self-inflicted, and I deserve the criticism I’ve received. I will use the scar tissue from this painful mistake to help make better decisions going forward, ones that match my fellow Americans.

With deep apology,

Barack Obama
President
United States of America

See how simple it can be Mr. President?

The Won is never wrong, he can only apologize for things he inherited.

106 KenJen  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:56:20pm

re: #68 subsailor68

I might vote to delete Barack Obama's next book, "The Unbearable Rightness of Being Me."

I am thinking his next book will be called "How Bush and His Cronies Screwed Me Out of a Second Term".

107 subsailor68  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:56:52pm

re: #93 lawhawk

Oh, and today's walkback from promises made by the President?

How about the government standing behind all those GM and Chrysler warranties as President Obama said?

That's over. Done. Kaput.

Newly installed car czar Ron Bloom (who has no car industry experience btw), says that the crisis has passed and the government doesn't need to back those warranties.

On one level, I have no problem with this move. It should never have been promised in the first place (just like the government should never have provided the bailouts). However, now that they put the government behind those warranties, that was an inducement to some to buy - and now the warranties are gone - evaporated back into whatever GM and Chrysler can cobble together on their own.

Great link lawhawk! Ron Bloom and his pals at the czar-room had just provided another example of "unintended consequences." GM sales are already off, and now this shining example of cluelessness has removed yet another incentive to purchase a GM product.

Good work Ron.

108 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:57:02pm

re: #102 Syrah

Swim suits, towels and food.

Anything more than that makes the trip about the stuff that you brought or left behind.

Simplicity leads to serenity

sunscreen, extra towels, sand toys for castle building, frisbees, volleyballs, bug spray, umbrella or instashade, extra clothes, extra food AND, most importantly, lots and lots of alcohol for you.

109 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:57:05pm

re: #76 Charles

I'm getting lots of hate mail over that racist witch doctor image, by the way. Five so far today.

Eh. Like a military saying and truism ... there's alway 10% that don't get the word or don't get it when they do.

110 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:57:35pm

re: #93 lawhawk

Oh, and today's walkback from promises made by the President?

How about the government standing behind all those GM and Chrysler warranties as President Obama said?

That's over. Done. Kaput.

Newly installed car czar Ron Bloom (who has no car industry experience btw), says that the crisis has passed and the government doesn't need to back those warranties.

On one level, I have no problem with this move. It should never have been promised in the first place (just like the government should never have provided the bailouts). However, now that they put the government behind those warranties, that was an inducement to some to buy - and now the warranties are gone - evaporated back into whatever GM and Chrysler can cobble together on their own.

Well, it was just intended to last through the bankruptcies. The real scandal is that GM and Chrysler were able to shed product liability claims on cars made before Chapter 11. Especially given that plaintiffs' lawyers give tons of money to the Democrats.

111 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:57:36pm

re: #87 Bobibutu

I don't think so. He spoke his truth with integrity. And that will most likely cut the legs off of this.

All my dealings with Amazon have been good. I feel even better about them now.

About the only problem I have with Amazon is they have made it so easy to purchase books that my 'to be read' stack could be a mortal danger in the event of even a small earthquake.

/I really could use a Kindle.

112 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:57:39pm

The way this went down was a little freaky to me. Nonetheless, you have to give credit where credit is due.

They did something that is almost unheard of today. They accepted the blame, & apologized without any qualifiers.

I'll still do business with them.

113 kynna  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:57:57pm

re: #106 KenJen

I am thinking his next book will be called "How Bush and His Cronies Screwed Me Out of a Second Term".

I guarantee his next book will be called something like "Inheriting Disaster."

LOL. Nothing belongs to 0. Not even his own legacy.

114 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:58:06pm

re: #56 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(To preface, I have absolutely no interest in Kindle, but with that said ...)

I agree, Charles.
THAT is an apology!
Sincerest *salute* to Mr. Bezos.
You, sir, have my respect.

That's because Amazon knows that it must delight its customers to stay in business. Obama doesn't seem to give a whiff about his customers (the American people) and will cram through and make us swallow all kinds of bad medicine. If the American people respond like customers, hopefully, it will rein in this megalomaniac.

115 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:58:46pm

re: #111 CyanSnowHawk

About the only problem I have with Amazon is they have made it so easy to purchase books that my 'to be read' stack could be a mortal danger in the event of even a small earthquake.

/I really could use a Kindle.

If my "to read stack" falls over it would cause a small earthquake...

//

116 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:58:53pm

re: #109 Bobibutu

Eh. Like a military saying and truism ... there's alway 10% that don't get the word or don't get it when they do.

The Good Ole 10% Rule

117 Curt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:59:08pm

re: #100 Lincolntf

I'm guessing he might have signed off on it. It's a pretty drastic move to make without the boss-man's okay.

Could have been, but his response was still the right one. If he didn't know, which we may never know - the "I HAVE TO PASS OBAMACARE NOW!" cycle will quickly take over all news until the wooden stake is all the way through it's heart, thereby eclipsing the followup on this story in plain sight. Some lizard will trip across it months from now and post it in the links...:)

118 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:59:10pm

re: #111 CyanSnowHawk

About the only problem I have with Amazon is they have made it so easy to purchase books that my 'to be read' stack could be a mortal danger in the event of even a small earthquake.

/I really could use a Kindle.

We take a trip to Red Mountain Library just about every Saturday. The teenagers get their books, the 8 year old gets his, Mrs. Desert Dog gets her trashy romance novels and I get my boring old history books, all for free!

119 Nightlight  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:59:18pm

Here's the video of Obama's statements today

[Link: www.gotchamediablog.com...]

120 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:59:18pm

re: #115 jcm

If my "to read stack" falls over it would cause a small earthquake...

//

Mine has its own shelf on the bookcase :(

121 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:59:33pm

re: #106 KenJen

I am thinking his next book will be called "How Bush and His Cronies Screwed Me Out of a Second Term".

"The notion that somehow I might be deprived of a well-deserved second term is just another scare tactic used by long discredited ideologues of the right and should be treated as the outdated thinking that it is"

122 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:59:41pm

re: #103 Idle Drifter

Rog.

123 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 12:59:51pm

re: #102 Syrah

Swim suits, towels and food.

Anything more than that makes the trip about the stuff that you brought or left behind.

Simplicity leads to serenity

Growing up on the So. Cal beaches, my parents started out bringing a bunch of stuff. Then it got less and less. By the time I was a teen, bringing more than a towel and a comb was considered "touristy," and shunned by all locals.

124 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:00:40pm

Anyone watching TV coverage of Zelaya? CNN seems to have better coverage, but I can't tell if they're showing people holding riot shields or just signs on the Honduran side of the border. Anyone else able to tell?

125 localharbor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:00:43pm

Bezos' apology isn't gonna be suddenly deleted from everybody's website, is it?

126 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:01:13pm

re: #114 Russkilitlover

That's because Amazon knows that it must delight its customers to stay in business.

True, but Bezos went well beyond the usual.
In this 66-year-old consumer's experience, it's extraodinary.

127 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:01:34pm

From NRO: Obama is in The Matrix [Greg Pollowitz]

President Obama from last night:

Now, I want to change that. Every American should want to change that. Why would we want to pay for things that don't work, that aren't making us healthier? And here's what I'm confident about: If doctors and patients have the best information about what works and what doesn't, then they're going to want to pay for what works. If there's a blue pill and a red pill and the blue pill is half the price of the red pill and works just as well, why not pay half price for the thing that's going to make you well?

And from The Matrix:

Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.

No wonder President Obama wants us to take the blue pill.

128 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:01:45pm

re: #118 Desert Dog

Earlier this week 4 books I had reserved from the library arrived on the same day, including the brand new Daniel Silva novel. I have a lot of reading to do.

129 MikeAlv77  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:01:51pm

re: #76 Charles

I'm getting lots of hate mail over that racist witch doctor image, by the way. Five so far today.

You can't fix stupid...

130 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:01:59pm

re: #76 Charles

I'm getting lots of hate mail over that racist witch doctor image, by the way. Five so far today.

How many are from people who were banned?

131 DaddyG  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:02:04pm

re: #123 Russkilitlover

Growing up on the So. Cal beaches, my parents started out bringing a bunch of stuff. Then it got less and less. By the time I was a teen, bringing more than a towel and a comb was considered "touristy," and shunned by all locals.

That includes a bikini top on some beaches. /

132 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:02:53pm

re: #127 doppelganglander

I'm actually typing from inside a hovercraft under the ruins of the Denver International Airport.

//

133 jaunte  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:03:35pm

Good job to Jeff Bezos for making a clear and honest statement.
I hope the habit catches on with more people.

134 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:03:37pm

re: #118 Desert Dog

We take a trip to Red Mountain Library just about every Saturday. The teenagers get their books, the 8 year old gets his, Mrs. Desert Dog gets her trashy romance novels and I get my boring old history books, all for free!

I do that to... but a bookstore is a very dangerous place, it emits rays that drag me in against my will, then I have to have that one, and that one. Amazon is the same way, sometimes my browser goes there by itself, and I can't escape.

135 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:03:50pm

re: #102 Syrah

Swim suits, towels and food.

Anything more than that makes the trip about the stuff that you brought or left behind.

Simplicity leads to serenity

Sun block.

136 Syrah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:03:57pm

re: #108 Desert Dog

sunscreen, extra towels, sand toys for castle building, frisbees, volleyballs, bug spray, umbrella or instashade, extra clothes, extra food AND, most importantly, lots and lots of alcohol for you.

Cerveza and Tequila are a food group. They are in the cooler. (with the limes.) The other stuff, . . .

Kids should be given the opportunity interact with the environment that they are in. The sand. The water. The sun. The wind. These are magical things.

I think kids become too high maintenance because they are over catered too.

137 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:04:03pm

re: #110 Ward Cleaver

GM and Chrysler got slightly different deals on those products liability cases that were pending. It hurts all those who had pending claims for wrongdoing.

And while those warranty provisions were meant only to carry the companies through until after the bankruptcy cleared, it leaves the companies scrambling to offer comparable warranties at a time when it can't necessarily afford to do so.

138 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:04:06pm

re: #115 jcm

If my "to read stack" falls over it would cause a small earthquake...

//

Mine too, and yet I bought two books last night ("National Geographic's Guide to Birds of North America" and, on buzzsawmonkey's recommendation, "The Maltese Falcon"). It's like a disease.

139 subsailor68  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:04:10pm

Barack Obama's brand new blockbuster, "A Tale of One Term"

It was the best of times,
It was the worst of times,
I had a healthcare plan, I had a cap and trade,
One didn't pass, the other failed,
I had a stimulus, I had an auto plan,
One fell apart, one really stank,
In short, it sucked.

140 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:04:14pm

OT: Just downloaded The Ramones Rocket to Russia to replace my vinyl. Gotta love the internet.

141 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:04:18pm

re: #129 MikeAlv77

You can't fix stupid...

Nor can you shine a turd.

142 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:04:39pm

re: #126 pre-Boomer Marine brat

True, but Bezos went well beyond the usual.
In this 66-year-old consumer's experience, it's extraodinary.

That's why I used the word "delight." To those of us in the Customer Service biz, it's a huge distinction from "satisfy." Imagine what it would take to "delight" you. Bezos knows and did it to perfection. Customers will now ADMIRE Amazon for stepping up. That's "delighting." Turning a negative customer experience and creating Raving Fans.

143 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:04:54pm

re: #127 doppelganglander

The Blue pill? Are you sure?

The red pill is 40% more effective with 60% fewer side effects despite being twice as expensive.

/cypher (aka Mr. Reagan)

144 Desert Dog  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:05:37pm

re: #128 Mad Al-Jaffee

Earlier this week 4 books I had reserved from the library arrived on the same day, including the brand new Daniel Silva novel. I have a lot of reading to do.

No chance of Marion the Librarian coming into your house to delete them either.

145 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:05:40pm

re: #131 DaddyG

That includes a bikini top on some beaches. /

Certainly true. But those beaches are scary, let me tell you. I'll be nice and just say you have to take the good with the bad.

146 jaunte  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:05:40pm

re: #141 Idle Drifter

But you can shine a dorodango
[Link: web-japan.org...]

147 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:05:48pm

re: #141 Idle Drifter

Nor can you shine a turd.

Mythbusters busted that one.

148 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:05:51pm

re: #139 subsailor68

Barack Obama's brand new blockbuster, "A Tale of One Term"

It was the best of times,
It was the worst of times,
I had a healthcare plan, I had a cap and trade,
One didn't pass, the other failed,
I had a stimulus, I had an auto plan,
One fell apart, one really stank,
In short, it sucked.

If you pay extra, will it be deleted from your Kindle?

149 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:06:10pm

re: #130 Alouette

Anyone prominent that we should know about?

150 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:06:15pm

re: #118 Desert Dog

We take a trip to Red Mountain Library just about every Saturday. The teenagers get their books, the 8 year old gets his, Mrs. Desert Dog gets her trashy romance novels and I get my boring old history books, all for free!

All my light reading comes from the library. Except, if I am going on a trip, I will buy paperbacks. I would love to have a Kindle for travel reading.

151 Syrah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:06:46pm

re: #135 EmmmieG

Sun block.

Big yes to the sun block.

I use SPF 10,000, or as close to that as I can get. (I burn under florescents.)

152 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:07:00pm

re: #140 Creeping Eruption

Saw them in Ft. Lauderdale. At a bar. Fucking rocked.

153 ShanghaiEd  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:07:16pm

Yep, Mr. Bezos, that's the way you do it.

I'm guessing this will be used in future PR textbooks as an example of how to handle an embarrassing corporate screw-up.

154 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:07:19pm

re: #136 Syrah

Cerveza and Tequila are a food group. They are in the cooler. (with the limes.) The other stuff, . . .

Kids should be given the opportunity interact with the environment that they are in. The sand. The water. The sun. The wind. These are magical things.

I think kids become too high maintenance because they are over catered too.

I repeat: sun block. My husband has a scar that covers his entire shoulder from a really bad burn as a toddler.

Toys are optional, but water and sun block are not.

155 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:07:26pm

re: #149 lawhawk

Anyone prominent that we should know about?

Nevergiveup got the whack stick.

156 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:07:43pm

re: #151 Syrah

Big yes to the sun block.

I use SPF 10,000, or as close to that as I can get. (I burn under florescents.)

My post came before I read yours.

157 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:07:44pm

re: #147 CyanSnowHawk

Mythbusters busted that one.

I've seen lacquered cow chips for sale in novelty shops, pretty shiny.

158 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:07:58pm

re: #152 Cannadian Club Akbar

Saw them in Ft. Lauderdale. At a bar. Fucking rocked.

I'm loving this. Not so sure about everyone else in the office, but fuck em'. My boss isn't complaining and he is the only one to whom I have to answer.

159 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:08:18pm

re: #143 lawhawk

The Blue pill? Are you sure?

The red pill is 40% more effective with 60% fewer side effects despite being twice as expensive.

/cypher (aka Mr. Reagan)

But the blue pill can make you feel like a teenager again.

/To tell the truth, I didn't think a google image search for viagra would turn up anything I link to without being deleted.

160 jaunte  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:08:18pm

If I were Jeff Bezos, I might be tempted to make a book about the Bermuda Triangle suddenly appear on everyone's Kindle. But that would be wrong.

161 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:08:31pm

re: #153 ShanghaiEd

Yep, Mr. Bezos, that's the way you do it.

I'm guessing this will be used in future PR textbooks as an example of how to handle an embarrassing corporate screw-up.

I'm definitely using it!

162 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:08:34pm

re: #147 CyanSnowHawk

Mythbusters busted that one.

They actually played with poo?

It's still a turd no matter how shiny it is.

163 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:08:35pm

re: #150 Alouette

I'm also a huge library fan. Our local library has a great (maybe they all have it) system where you can order any book in any library from online and an automated system calls you when it comes in. It screws Amazon out of a lot of my impulse buys, but it's very convenient.

164 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:09:00pm

re: #134 jcm

I do that to... but a bookstore is a very dangerous place, it emits rays that drag me in against my will, then I have to have that one, and that one. Amazon is the same way, sometimes my browser goes there by itself, and I can't escape.

Have you ever had that happen with a necktie?

Twice, I was dragged across the floor to a clerk by Ermenegildo Zegna ties. Now I stay th' hell out of Neiman Marcus.

165 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:09:33pm

re: #154 EmmmieG

I repeat: sun block. My husband has a scar that covers his entire shoulder from a really bad burn as a toddler.

Toys are optional, but water and sun block are not.

My daughter went to the beach at Eilat, and was burned so badly her skin blistered and she ran a fever for days.

But since then, she has never neglected to use sunblock.

166 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:09:33pm

re: #155 Alouette

Nevergiveup got the whack stick.

I think it was for unrelenting yammering and sniping at Killgore.

167 Baier  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:09:34pm

Without knowing all the facts, I'm going to say everyone acted stupidly and come over for a beer cause all you folks are good people. Now, who wants a smoke?

168 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:09:39pm

re: #146 jaunte

But you can shine a dorodango
[Link: web-japan.org...]

They do some weird things in Japan. But i still want to go back there and visit.

169 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:09:58pm

re: #142 Russkilitlover

That's why I used the word "delight." To those of us in the Customer Service biz, it's a huge distinction from "satisfy." Imagine what it would take to "delight" you. Bezos knows and did it to perfection. Customers will now ADMIRE Amazon for stepping up. That's "delighting." Turning a negative customer experience and creating Raving Fans.

Now I get it! Yes.

170 JustABill  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:10:12pm

re: #102 Syrah

Swim suits, towels and food.

Anything more than that makes the trip about the stuff that you brought or left behind.

Simplicity leads to serenity

Sunscreen, Unbrella, or rent one. Sunburn sucks, cancer is even worse.

171 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:10:13pm

re: #160 jaunte

If I were Jeff Bezos, I might be tempted to make a book about the Bermuda Triangle suddenly appear on everyone's Kindle. But that would be wrong.

Wrong, but really funny!

172 Syrah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:10:16pm

re: #156 EmmmieG

My post came before I read yours.

Have a good time.

Going to the beach with my folks when I was young was magical.

The sunburns sucked, but everything else was pretty grand, even when it was cold.

173 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:10:20pm

re: #163 Lincolntf

I'm also a huge library fan. Our local library has a great (maybe they all have it) system where you can order any book in any library from online and an automated system calls you when it comes in. It screws Amazon out of a lot of my impulse buys, but it's very convenient.

Our library has that too. It's great!

The only books I don't get from the library are cookbooks.

174 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:10:47pm

re: #162 Idle Drifter

They actually played with poo?

It's still a turd no matter how shiny it is.

That's a pretty good replacement saying.

175 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:11:19pm

re: #157 jcm

I've seen lacquered cow chips for sale in novelty shops, pretty shiny.

I've seen bull wang walking sticks for sale at Sportsman's Warehouse.

176 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:11:28pm

re: #164 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Have you ever had that happen with a necktie?

Twice, I was dragged across the floor to a clerk by Ermenegildo Zegna ties. Now I stay th' hell out of Neiman Marcus.

I have a particular weakness for Zegna ties. I do not wear them often enough to justify paying that kind of cash - but damn, they do look great.

177 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:11:29pm

Here is the bill and the download link ... read it and bitch to your congresscritter

[Link: www.vgm.com...]
_Tri-comm.pdf

Below is some choice language in the healthcare Bill of goods our President
was trying to sell the nation last night. Much of the language selected is
specific to military retirees, but most applies to all. Read this and weep.

Seniors are to be the bill payers for the uninsured and illegal immigrants being covered. If not with higher taxes, it will be with less services being allowed.

Over view of the Health Care Bill in the House. read these selected pages
(caution pages number will drift.

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the govt. will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS
that self insure!!

Pg 30 (see page 27) Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE
that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC
Benefits for you. YOU have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens,
illegal or otherwise

Pg 58 HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access to individual's finances & a
National ID Healthcard will be issued! [Mark of the Beast? Rev 13]

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts
for elective funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in
labor unions & community organizations [such as ACORN].

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans
under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC
plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifies Benefit Levels for all Plans [The Govt will
ration your Healthcare].

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic services. Example -
Translation for illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps
to sign up individuals For Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. [AARP members
- your health care WILL be rationed]

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals (redefined
elsewhere as all those under 133% of poverty level) will be automatically
enrolled in Medicaid. [No choice]

Pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue Govt for price fixing. No "judicial
review" against Govt Monopoly.

Pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ AMA - The Govt will tell you what you
can earn.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option
plan. [NO CHOICE]

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND
their families. (this will cut a lot of jobs)

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll of 400k & above who does not
provide public option Pays 8% additional tax on all payroll.

Pg 150 Lines 9-13 Business w payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn't provide
public option pays 2-6% additional tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable (who decides
what is acceptable?) HC according to Govt will be taxed additional 2.5% of
income

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual Taxes. [however, Americans will pay]

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Administration [GOVT] will have access to ALL Americans' finance/personal records

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" [Yes, it says that]

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid, Seniors, low income, poor, affected [Pay attention seniors]

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same salary

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, professional judgment, etc.
[Literally value of humans].

cont.

178 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:11:40pm

re: #153 ShanghaiEd

Yep, Mr. Bezos, that's the way you do it.

I'm guessing this will be used in future PR textbooks as an example of how to handle an embarrassing corporate screw-up.

Another one was the Tylenol Case

Johnson & Johnson was praised by the media at the time for its handling of the incident. While at the time of the scare the market share of Tylenol collapsed from 35% to 8%, it rebounded in less than a year, a move credited to J&J's prompt and aggressive reaction. In November it reintroduced capsules, but in a new, triple-sealed package, coupled with heavy price promotions, and within several years Tylenol had become the most popular over-the-counter analgesic in the US.
179 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:11:55pm

re: #162 Idle Drifter

They actually played with poo?

It's still a turd no matter how shiny it is.

It's ok if you pick them up by the clean end ;-)

180 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:11:59pm

re: #173 Alouette

For me it's Natural History and Biographies that I have to own.
All my thrillers, mysteries, sports books, etc. come from the Library.

181 opnion  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:13:33pm

Now that guy gives an apology that we can believe in.
President Obama could you do that? Si se puede
Will you?" No

182 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:13:35pm

PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC
industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven
wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT BY CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - [Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!]

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems
preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admission that results
in a readmission-Govt will penalize you.

Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating
hospitals cannot expand

Pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community
input required. [govt permission]

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates establishment of outcome based
measures. [HC the way they want. Rationing]

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans,
HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people
[such as Downs Syndrome]

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory
Committee. [HC by phone?]

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. [Think Senior Citizens: end of life]

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills,
durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides approved list of end of life
resources, guiding you in death [think mandatory Kervorkian]

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The
Govt has a say in how your life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advocate care planning consult" will be used frequently
as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advocate care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. [An ORDER from GOV]

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit organizations.
[ACORN Medical Services]

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. Monthly payment to a community-based organization. [Like ACORN]

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. [Which means
they will insert Govt into your marriage]

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.

Here's the full Health Care bill that sits in the House.

[Link: frwebgate.access.gpo.gov...]
cid=f:h3200ih.pdf

link to frwebgate.access.gpo.gov

Brrr

183 DaddyG  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:13:42pm

re: #1 Ward Cleaver

I feel most sorry for the kid who was writing a book report (I thought I read about that here), and lost everything. Whoops!

Yeah, like a kid ever worked ahead on a book report. /

184 JustABill  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:14:08pm

re: #110 Ward Cleaver

Well, it was just intended to last through the bankruptcies. The real scandal is that GM and Chrysler were able to shed product liability claims on cars made before Chapter 11. Especially given that plaintiffs' lawyers give tons of money to the Democrats.

I am not a lawyer, but I believe normal bankruptcies allow you to shad warranties. They are a liability(or potential liability) of the now defunct operation. Of course any smart acquiring company that keeps the name will honor the warranties, if only to ensure customers come back.

If I remember correctly airline miles work the same way. They would be near the end of the line in bankrupts, but any sane management will continue to accept them after a reorg.

185 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:14:09pm

re: #179 eschew_obfuscation

It's ok if you pick them up by the clean end ;-)

Good thing I wasn't drinking coffee when I read your post.

186 localharbor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:15:28pm

BTW, as lovely as the apology was ... and I quite like Jeff Bezos ... did he pledge not to do it again? And did he promise to remove the deletion capability so that it couldn't possibly happen again?

I ask because an Amazon spokesman had earlier said that they would not do it again "under the same circumstances" but never clarified what other circumstances they would consider sufficient for a repeat performance. If they intend to leave the deletion capability in their software, they should explain why, including some examples of what they consider sufficient reason for employing it.

187 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:15:29pm

re: #164 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Have you ever had that happen with a necktie?

Twice, I was dragged across the floor to a clerk by Ermenegildo Zegna ties. Now I stay th' hell out of Neiman Marcus.

Neckties no, Pendelton yes, hardware and electronics yes. Most lethal are used book stores with a good selection of used and rare books.

188 jaunte  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:15:35pm

re: #182 Bobibutu

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admission that results
in a readmission-Govt will penalize you.

There are a couple of killer penalties for the sick, right there.

189 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:15:57pm

re: #177 Bobibutu


I vote this: Most Valuable Post.

Thanks for digging it up and here's to hoping it goes viral. I know that I will pass it on.

190 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:16:18pm

re: #176 Creeping Eruption

I have a particular weakness for Zegna ties. I do not wear them often enough to justify paying that kind of cash - but damn, they do look great.

Let's face it, does one of us REALLY care how much those Zegnas back in the closet cost?

/I only have four, lovingly covered to keep dust off

191 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:16:48pm

re: #178 jcm

From Dictionary.com

an⋅al⋅ge⋅sic
  /ˌænlˈdʒizɪk, -sɪk/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [an-l-jee-zik, -sik] –noun
1. a remedy that relieves or allays pain.
–adjective
2. of, pertaining to, or causing analgesia.

I don't know about anyone else, but that word is somewhat off-putting for something to be taken orally.
/

192 DaddyG  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:17:08pm

re: #162 Idle Drifter

They actually played with poo?

It's still a turd no matter how shiny it is.

Yes. They played with poo.

193 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:17:17pm

re: #177 Bobibutu

Linky no worky

194 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:17:18pm

re: #25 Rexatosis

Wow, I wish my bank, credit card company, utilities, government would do the same when they screw up.

my credit card co just reversed 160.00 worth of charges because they recorded my bank account number wrong and naturally it couldn't be found for electronic funding.
cool

195 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:17:50pm

re: #188 jaunte

There are a couple of killer penalties for the sick, right there.

This monster must go down in flames.

196 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:17:56pm

re: #182 Bobibutu

Thank you for the reference guide. I'm too lazy to read all 1,000 pages, but your bullet points/table of contents will be very helpful.

197 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:18:08pm

re: #190 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Let's face it, does one of us REALLY care how much those Zegnas back in the closet cost?

/I only have four, lovingly covered to keep dust off

Actually they are a pretty good investment because in general, they are timeless designs. I have 5. Luckily, I got one for standing up in a wedding. We didn't have to wear tux's, just dark suits and we all had the same Zegna ties.

198 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:18:41pm

re: #191 CyanSnowHawk

From Dictionary.com

an⋅al⋅ge⋅sic
  /ˌænlˈdʒ ;izɪk, -sɪk/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [an-l-jee-zik, -sik] –noun
1. a remedy that relieves or allays pain.
–adjective
2. of, pertaining to, or causing analgesia.

I don't know about anyone else, but that word is somewhat off-putting for something to be taken orally.
/

Open your mouth I need to take you temperature.
*mutters to self*
Now which thermometer was which again?

199 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:18:41pm

re: #196 Lincolntf

Thank you for the reference guide. I'm too lazy to read all 1,000 pages, but your bullet points/table of contents will be very helpful.

Then you are highly qualified to work in the House or Senate. Run for office.

200 Syrah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:18:44pm

re: #177 Bobibutu

(Re-posted in part from another thread.)

A question to ask our friends and family members who are enamored of the Democrats health-care schemes.

Who should not have a say in your health care choices?

[ ] 1. Doctors.

[ ] 2. Insurance Companies that you contract with.

[ ] 3. Politicians.

201 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:19:07pm

re: #193 SasquatchOnSteroids

Linky no worky

Gak: [Link: www.vgm.com...]

202 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:19:27pm

re: #199 Walter L. Newton

I should have included that in my post, dammit!

203 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:20:02pm

re: #198 jcm

Open your mouth I need to take you temperature.
*mutters to self*
Now which thermometer was which again?

LOL. Actual scenario in every household with children.

204 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:20:07pm

re: #201 Bobibutu

Gak: [Link: www.vgm.com...]

Thank You !

205 JustABill  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:20:14pm

re: #191 CyanSnowHawk

From Dictionary.com

an⋅al⋅ge⋅sic
  /ˌænlˈd&#x0292 ;izɪk, -sɪk/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [an-l-jee-zik, -sik] –noun
1. a remedy that relieves or allays pain.
–adjective
2. of, pertaining to, or causing analgesia.

I don't know about anyone else, but that word is somewhat off-putting for something to be taken orally.
/

I am pretty sure you can get it in suppository form, if that would be more grammatically for you...

206 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:20:18pm

re: #201 Bobibutu

Gak: [Link: www.vgm.com...]

You called?/

207 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:20:37pm

re: #155 Alouette

Gotcha.

208 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:20:39pm

re: #198 jcm

Open your mouth I need to take you temperature.
*mutters to self*
Now which thermometer was which again?

There's a scary mistake waiting to happen.

209 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:21:33pm

re: #173 Alouette

Our library has that too. It's great!

The only books I don't get from the library are cookbooks.

We have interlibrary loan, and you get an email when the item(s) you requested have arrived. And they have a collection of online movies you can watch for free.

I love libraries. Probably explains why I've been working in libraries for close to two decades.

210 hazzyday  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:21:33pm

re: #166 debutaunt

I think it was for unrelenting yammering and sniping at Killgore.

When you are successful people will start to take shots at you. Further success involves shot taking kungfu. The playing field changes but you need the same results.

211 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:21:54pm

re: #197 Creeping Eruption

Actually they are a pretty good investment because in general, they are timeless designs. I have 5. Luckily, I got one for standing up in a wedding. We didn't have to wear tux's, just dark suits and we all had the same Zegna ties.

I didn't know they were worth a lot of money. I got six of them at Goodwill for a buck a piece. The last time I saw one, I think the kid tied it around the neck of the husky. Boy, that was funny. Almost as funny as when the cat used the Louis Vuitton’s Tribute Patchwork Bag as a litter box. I guess we're just not that "high-faluting" around here.

212 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:22:01pm

So funny. I
just clicked over to CNN to see if they were covering Honduras/Gates-gate, etc.
Instead they're talking about Sarah Palin. When will I ever learn?

213 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:22:02pm

re: #205 JustABill

I am pretty sure you can get it in suppository form, if that would be more grammatically for you...

I'll stick with calling them painkillers.

214 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:22:37pm

re: #184 JustABill

I am not a lawyer, but I believe normal bankruptcies allow you to shad warranties. They are a liability(or potential liability) of the now defunct operation. Of course any smart acquiring company that keeps the name will honor the warranties, if only to ensure customers come back.

If I remember correctly airline miles work the same way. They would be near the end of the line in bankrupts, but any sane management will continue to accept them after a reorg.

I think they still have to honor warranties; they just can't be held liable for defective products built before they went into bankruptcy.

I think GM and Chrysler's chances of survival are 50-50 at best. Conservatives won't buy GM products (even though they've got some great products now, and more in the pipeline) because they're "Government Motors", and liberals haven't been buying their products anyway.

Chrysler doesn't have much in the way of new products in the pipeline until the rebadged Fiats, the Fiat 500, and the Alfas start to appear, and that's a couple of years away. They both have an uphill climb.

215 hazzyday  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:22:39pm

re: #205 JustABill

I am pretty sure you can get it in suppository form, if that would be more grammatically for you...

Hitting someone on the big toe with a hammer when they have a headache has the same effect.

216 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:22:48pm

re: #182 Bobibutu

I'm not finding the provisions mentioned in your post at the page numbers in the linked document... what am I missing?

217 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:23:04pm

re: #187 jcm

Neckties no, Pendelton yes, hardware and electronics yes. Most lethal are used book stores with a good selection of used and rare books.

I hear you re Pendletons.

These people have a store-front in New Jersey. I'm sure as hell glad I don't live anywhere near it. The catalogs are bad enough!

218 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:23:22pm

re: #209 Mad Al-Jaffee

We have interlibrary loan, and you get an email when the item(s) you requested have arrived. And they have a collection of online movies you can watch for free.

I love libraries. Probably explains why I've been working in libraries for close to two decades.

re: #211 Walter L. Newton

I didn't know they were worth a lot of money. I got six of them at Goodwill for a buck a piece. The last time I saw one, I think the kid tied it around the neck of the husky. Boy, that was funny. Almost as funny as when the cat used the Louis Vuitton’s Tribute Patchwork Bag as a litter box. I guess we're just not that "high-faluting" around here.

New ones go for around $150 a piece. I wouldn't call a buck a piece "high faluting." I'd call it good taste for a great bargain.

219 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:23:27pm

re: #212 Lincolntf

So funny. I
just clicked over to CNN to see if they were covering Honduras/Gates-gate, etc.
Instead they're talking about Sarah Palin. When will I ever learn?

It's on the front page... right now...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

220 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:24:14pm

Nieces B-day party tonite. Got her Barack Obamas book "How to lose friends and marginalize people".

have a good afternoon

221 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:24:19pm

re: #218 Creeping Eruption

New ones go for around $150 a piece. I wouldn't call a buck a piece "high faluting." I'd call it good taste for a great bargain.

Er, I was making all that up, it was, well maybe I'm embarrassed to say, humor.

222 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:24:20pm

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

TV.

223 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:24:59pm

When my Drill Instructor said "You can't polish a turd." He wasn't referring to what comes out of the south end of a north bound animal.

224 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:25:01pm

re: #187 jcm

Neckties no, Pendelton yes, hardware and electronics yes. Most lethal are used book stores with a good selection of used and rare books.

LOVE Pendelton. I have a couple of their jackets and shirt from my dad that must be 40 years old.

225 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:25:04pm

re: #222 Lincolntf

TV.

DVD (your turn)

226 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:25:07pm

re: #197 Creeping Eruption

Actually they are a pretty good investment because in general, they are timeless designs. I have 5. Luckily, I got one for standing up in a wedding. We didn't have to wear tux's, just dark suits and we all had the same Zegna ties.

All had the same Zegna ties?!?!
Damn! You run in an affluent crowd!
... ... ... :D

227 opnion  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:25:13pm

re: #188 jaunte

There are a couple of killer penalties for the sick, right there.

The Obamas have a pattern, Michelle headed up the Urban Health Initiative for the University of Chicago Medical School. She hired Axlerod to sell it to the Community.
It was a scheme to divert undesirable patients eg the uninsured.
They would give people bus fare & even put them in cabs to the County Hospital & clinics. It was patient dumping pure & simple.

228 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:25:39pm

re: #200 Syrah

[X ] 3. Politicians.

They screwed up Medicare creating massive fraud potential - then went after everyone (law abiding and not) under the False Claims Act - fining them for not following ambiguous laws and guidelines.

And we want this in Spades? Into our private lives as well as the medical community?

This beast must die.

229 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:25:41pm

re: #217 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I hear you re Pendletons.

These people have a store-front in New Jersey. I'm sure as hell glad I don't live anywhere near it. The catalogs are bad enough!

OMG. You bastard, you have no idea how much money you just cost me.
/

230 DaddyG  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:26:15pm

re: #211 Walter L. Newton

I guess we're just not that "high-faluting" around here.

We're low-faluting. I got a complement on a new dress shirt during a staff meeting and proudly declared my wife found it at the Good Will.

231 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:26:30pm

re: #221 Walter L. Newton

Er, I was making all that up, it was, well maybe I'm embarrassed to say, humor.

LOL. Maybe a sarc tag next time. Your comment was entirely plausible to me.

232 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:27:39pm

re: #226 pre-Boomer Marine brat

All had the same Zegna ties?!?!
Damn! You run in an affluent crowd!
... ... ... :D

It was my stock brokers wedding. That was a few years ago. These days, we would probably get clip-ons.

233 Logician  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:27:54pm

While this apology reflects very well on Bezos both as a person and as a CEO, it does not answer some questions that must be occurring to Kindle owners, and especially, prospective purchasers - notably: (1) What will Amazon's policy be in such situations in future? And (2) Does Amazon (the company, not just its CEO who will retire one day) guarantee that it will never again remove data from a Kindle without the permission of its owner (or a court order)?

In fact it would be best if they modified the software so as to make it incapable of doing that.

234 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:27:56pm

The spin is amazing. Obama says he is not apologizing, and on the front page of the liberal Denver Post...

"Obama faults own comments on Harvard scholar arrest"

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

It's the same canned story that everyone is running, different news source, different spin.

235 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:28:13pm

re: #229 CyanSnowHawk

OMG. You bastard, you have no idea how much money you just cost me.
/

ROFLMAO!

/can't aim the mouse at the Post button 'cause I'm laughing so hard

236 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:28:23pm

re: #216 eschew_obfuscation

I'm not finding the provisions mentioned in your post at the page numbers in the linked document... what am I missing?

So much more crap is being inserted real -time - the page numbers tend to drift.

237 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:29:38pm

re: #233 Logician

While this apology reflects very well on Bezos both as a person and as a CEO, it does not answer some questions that must be occurring to Kindle owners, and especially, prospective purchasers - notably: (1) What will Amazon's policy be in such situations in future? And (2) Does Amazon (the company, not just its CEO who will retire one day) guarantee that it will never again remove data from a Kindle without the permission of its owner (or a court order)?

In fact it would be best if they modified the software so as to make it incapable of doing that.

But he promised!
/

238 Syrah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:30:19pm

re: #228 Bobibutu

[X ] 3. Politicians.

They screwed up Medicare creating massive fraud potential - then went after everyone (law abiding and not) under the False Claims Act - fining them for not following ambiguous laws and guidelines.

And we want this in Spades? Into our private lives as well as the medical community?

This beast must die.

When they pass this beast, the political class will be empowered to meddle in every aspect of our lives from the contents of our medicine cabinets and refrigerators to our gun cabinets and our garden tools. Nothing that can cause medical harm or injury will be beyond their authority.

239 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:31:13pm

OT: Canadian honor killing victim told her brother she feared for her life

Siblings of the woman who died in a Rideau Canal lock near Kingston, Ont., told CBC News on Friday that their sister, Rona Amir Mohammed, feared for her life at one point in the days leading up to her death.

Wali Abdali and Diba Masoomi, who live in France, are the brother and sister of Rona Mohammed, 50, who was found dead in a submerged car on June 30, along with three other female victims: sisters Zainab Shafia, 19, Sahar Shafia, 17, and Geeti Shafia, 13, of Montreal's Saint-Léonard district.

The sisters' father, Mohammad Shafia, their mother, Tooba Mohammad Yehya, and their 18-year-old brother, Hamid Mohammad Shafia, have been charged with first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder in the four women's deaths.

Abdali and Masoomi told CBC News their sister, Rona, was in fact the first wife of Mohammed Shafia. They said Rona married Shafia 30 years ago in Afghanistan, but when she was unable to bear children, the siblings said Shafia took a second wife.

They said Rona wanted a divorce, but Shafia was apparently not interested, and so he lived with two wives.

Abdali and Masoomi said there was tension in the family in recent years. They said the 19-year-old daughter, Zainab Shafia, was dating someone of whom her parents did not approve, adding that Zainab apparently left the family home in Saint-Léonard for a week, which angered her parents.

Masoomi said Rona told her she overheard Mohammed Shafia talking to his wife about the idea of killing Zainab some weeks ago.

240 DaddyG  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:31:30pm

re: #238 Syrah

When they pass this beast, the political class will be empowered to meddle in every aspect of our lives from the contents of our medicine cabinets and refrigerators to our gun cabinets and our garden tools. Nothing that can cause medical harm or injury will be beyond their authority.

They will have to pry my chainsaw from my cold dead hands. (Which may not be that hard if I drop a tree in the wrong direction.)

241 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:33:12pm

re: #238 Syrah

When they pass this beast, the political class will be empowered to meddle in every aspect of our lives from the contents of our medicine cabinets and refrigerators to our gun cabinets and our garden tools. Nothing that can cause medical harm or injury will be beyond their authority.

You nailed it. Total cradle to grave control.

Lenin's corpse is smiling.

242 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:33:15pm

re: #238 Syrah

When they pass this beast, the political class will be empowered to meddle in every aspect of our lives from the contents of our medicine cabinets and refrigerators to our gun cabinets and our garden tools. Nothing that can cause medical harm or injury will be beyond their authority.

At least until the States start asserting their 10th Amendment rights. Perry in TX is making noises about that now.

243 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:33:25pm

CNN headline, without a trace of irony:

Obama to officer: I didn't mean to malign police

Why no Mr President, you merely called them stupid racists.

244 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:33:43pm

re: #240 DaddyG

The thing most likely to injure me in my house are the two cats that like to trip me whenever I walk down the hallway.
If they ever come for my kitties, it's Go Time!

245 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:33:51pm

re: #231 Creeping Eruption

LOL. Maybe a sarc tag next time. Your comment was entirely plausible to me.

Letting a cat shit in a 45,000 dollar Louis Vuitton’s Tribute Patchwork Bag was plausible? Can I be your friend? Email me and I'll send you my Christmas list!

246 HelloDare  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:33:58pm

If only Jeff Bezos could replace Robert Gibbs.

247 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:34:14pm

re: #243 Kenneth

CNN headline, without a trace of irony:

Obama to officer: I didn't mean to malign police

Why no Mr President, you merely called them stupid racists.

He probably doesn't mean to let Israel get nuked either.

248 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:34:32pm

You'd apologize just as eloquently if "Big Brother" was holding a gun to your head.
We're not fooled. There is a conspiracy.
Just wait til we find that birth certificate.

/my own little fantasy world...

249 Syrah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:35:22pm

re: #240 DaddyG

They will have to pry my chainsaw from my cold dead hands. (Which may not be that hard if I drop a tree in the wrong direction.)

If the chainsaw does not have all of the required warning labels, including the ones about the moving sharp bits, it will be confiscated as a hazard to community health.

You had better be prepared to turn yourself and your contraband tools in to the proper authorities before they break down the door of you garage. It will go better for you that way.

/

250 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:35:49pm

Oh swell, the Canadian passenger rail service has gone on strike...

Smart unions... pick the worst economic crisis since the great depression to go on strike. Idiots.

251 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:36:02pm

re: #217 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I hear you re Pendletons.

These people have a store-front in New Jersey. I'm sure as hell glad I don't live anywhere near it. The catalogs are bad enough!

Bookmarking that one!
Need some fine stuff for work. Just went through two days of trouble shooting broken hardware. A 0.2mm (a little less that 8 thousands of an inch) alignment error.

252 HelloDare  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:36:34pm

Ronald Reagan, the great communicator.

Barack Obama, the great backpedaler.

253 JustABill  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:38:11pm

re: #249 Syrah

If the chainsaw does not have all of the required warning labels, including the ones about the moving sharp bits, it will be confiscated as a hazard to community health.

You had better be prepared to turn yourself and your contraband tools in to the proper authorities before they break down the door of you garage. It will go better for you that way.

/

I knew a guy who would take the chain off his chainsaw, get a mask and chase trick-or-treaters off his lawn. All the while reaving up his chainsaw.

254 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:39:33pm

OT: Amazed the ROP isn't seething about this one.

Angel in the Mosque

That's another place I'd like to visit one day.

255 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:39:49pm
256 Syrah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:40:09pm

Speaking of garden tools,

I have to run to the hardware store and pick up some soon to be contraband materials and tools. The garden ain't working on itself. I will just have to get out there and how it how it is done.


bbl.

257 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:41:14pm

It's no accident victims were female
by Christie Blatchford

Ms. Yahya, her 56-year-old husband Mohammad Shafia and their 18-year-old son, Hamed, are charged with four counts each of first-degree murder and four of conspiracy to commit murder in the June 30 deaths of three of their flesh-and-blood – respectively, daughters and sisters Zainab, 19, Sahari, 17, and Geeti, 13 – and Mr. Shafia's first wife, Rona Mohammad, whom he had been passing off for decades, when need be, as his “cousin.”

Fifty-two-year-old Ms. Mohammad and the three girls were found inside one of the family cars, which most curiously and against all odds, had ended up in about three metres of water at the nearby Kingston Mills locks of the Rideau Canal – its front end inexplicably facing the stone wall of the northernmost lock, which meant it would have gone in the water ass-backwards.

In the immediate aftermath of this terrible discovery, Mr. Shafia and Ms. Yahya presented, as my Montreal colleague Ingrid Peritz and others reported at the time, as grief-torn parents – though even then, it should be noted, they were blaming the oldest, Zainab, painting her as a bit of a rebel who didn't have her driver's licence but occasionally had taken the car out for a toot.

Combining the modern sensibility of crying for the television cameras with the great Afghan tradition of telling any listener what he wants most to hear, Ms. Yahya said then, between sobs, the family had come to Canada for the children (“In Afghanistan, no study … no rights”), while Mr. Shafia generously allowed, “It's not Canada's mistake, it's my family's mistake.”

G&M disabled comments on this report from Blatchford.

258 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:41:16pm

re: #247 CyanSnowHawk

BTW, re Micro-Mark, their customer service has been first rate. I bought one of these, but noticed a weird hiccup in the variable speed drive. A tech in Cust. Svc. got on the phone with me at some length, diagnosing the issue. Shipped another one to me immediately, et cetera, et cetera.

/Very satisfied

259 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:41:20pm

re: #250 Kenneth

Oh swell, the Canadian passenger rail service has gone on strike...

Smart unions... pick the worst economic crisis since the great depression to go on strike. Idiots.

Yeah, how will the Canucks get to the US border before 0bamaCare takes effect?

260 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:41:22pm

re: #249 Syrah

If the chainsaw does not have all of the required warning labels, including the ones about the moving sharp bits, it will be confiscated as a hazard to community health.

You had better be prepared to turn yourself and your contraband tools in to the proper authorities before they break down the door of you garage. It will go better for you that way.

/

Well, it will be easy to find me and there is direct router to my door. But, I'll be in a right lathe-r if they press me for my drill-- or drill me for my press.

261 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:42:21pm

re: #251 jcm

Bookmarking that one!
Need some fine stuff for work. Just went through two days of trouble shooting broken hardware. A 0.2mm (a little less that 8 thousands of an inch) alignment error.

See my 258 to Cyan -- high recommendation for good service

262 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:42:29pm

re: #256 Syrah

Speaking of garden tools,

I have to run to the hardware store and pick up some soon to be contraband materials and tools. The garden ain't working on itself. I will just have to get out there and how it how it is done.

bbl.

Be sure to let us know of the rake's progress!

263 HelloDare  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:42:31pm

re: #252 HelloDare

Ronald Reagan, the great communicator.

Barack Obama, the great backpedaler throw-under-the-buser.

Fixed it for me.

264 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:43:48pm

re: #257 Kenneth

It's no accident victims were female
by Christie Blatchford

G&M disabled comments on this report from Blatchford.

Good thing. I would have given them an earful. Wasn't there another case in the same area in which 3 girls were killed?

265 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:44:22pm
266 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:44:34pm

I just had a wonderful fantasy*. What if Waxman and Pelosi follow through on their threat, push Obamacare to a vote, and it fails? The Blue Dogs then quit the party and join the Republicans. Heads explode.
OK, yes, it's a fantasy.
(*I'm a fifty- (mumble) year old engineer with teenage daughters. Besides the dream about Sigourney Weaver and Jamie Lee Curtis, that's as good as my fantasies get.)

267 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:44:53pm

re: #260 calcajun

Well, it will be easy to find me and there is direct router to my door. But, I'll be in a right lathe-r if they press me for my drill-- or drill me for my press.

Gaak! I'm barely coping with what I just saw in that comment!

268 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:45:12pm

re: #226 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Or you know where to shop and get 'em a wee bit cheaper. (aka Outlet centers or places like Century 21 in the NYC metro area). Still, expensive tastes...

269 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:45:26pm

Jaunte is one kick ass Lizard.

270 jorline  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:46:19pm

CNN's Homepage Banner

President Obama today had a "positive" talk with Henry Louis Gates Jr. about the scholar's arrest, the White House says.

What the fuck does that mean?

271 HelloDare  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:46:27pm

re: #254 calcajun

OT: Amazed the ROP isn't seething about this one.

Angel in the Mosque

Angels are no problem for the ROP, at least if they're not Jewish.

Angels in Islam are light-based creatures, created from light by God to serve and worship Him.

Believing in angels is one of the six Articles of Faith in Islam, without which there is no faith. The six articles are belief in: God, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, the Last Day, and that predestination, both good and evil, comes from God.

272 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:46:49pm

re: #266 Jim in Virginia

(*I'm a fifty- (mumble) year old engineer with teenage daughters. Besides the dream about Sigourney Weaver and Jamie Lee Curtis, that's as good as my fantasies get.)

I opened a credit union account today. One of the security questions is "what is your favorite wild animal?".

I have none, so I just answered with the best one I could think of on short notice: "I dunno, uh, Pamela Anderson?"

273 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:47:03pm

re: #255 taxfreekiller

link not found,
Alexelrod?

[Link: www.vgm.com...]

274 Curt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:47:16pm

re: #266 Jim in Virginia

I just had a wonderful fantasy*. What if Waxman and Pelosi follow through on their threat, push Obamacare to a vote, and it fails? The Blue Dogs then quit the party and join the Republicans. Heads explode.
OK, yes, it's a fantasy.
(*I'm a fifty- (mumble) year old engineer with teenage daughters. Besides the dream about Sigourney Weaver and Jamie Lee Curtis, that's as good as my fantasies get.)

You talking about both? Or ...no...not going there...:)

275 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:47:21pm

re: #267 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gaak! I'm barely coping with what I just saw in that comment!

Some afternoon pun-ishment!

276 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:48:08pm

re: #271 HelloDare

I thought the whole "images" thing was taboo in Islam-- nothing which might smack of idolatry.

277 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:48:24pm

re: #271 HelloDare

Angels are no problem for the ROP, at least if they're not Jewish.

Angels in Islam are light-based creatures, created from light by God to serve and worship Him.

Believing in angels is one of the six Articles of Faith in Islam, without which there is no faith. The six articles are belief in: God, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, the Last Day, and that predestination, both good and evil, comes from God.

But the images are a problem. Or, they will be, as soon as the imams can organize enough radicals to seethe.

278 DaddyG  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:49:06pm

re: #275 calcajun

Some afternoon pun-ishment!

Take him out behind the tool shed.

279 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:49:36pm

re: #276 calcajun

I thought the whole "images" thing was taboo in Islam-- nothing which might smack of idolatry.

Check zombie's archive of Mohammed images.

280 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:49:56pm

re: #270 jorline

{jorline} Good to see you friend. Are the RA treatments helping?

281 Curt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:50:12pm

re: #270 jorline

CNN's Homepage Banner

President Obama today had a "positive" talk with Henry Louis Gates Jr. about the scholar's arrest, the White House says.

What the fuck does that mean?

He congratulated him for making sure everyone knows there are a bunch of racists still wearing badges, pretending to use their authority correctly, while still trying to hold down Harvard Professors from rising to positions of influence in a hard, cold, cruel world. You know..."we can't fail to stay vigilant in such perilous times!" type of talk.

I'm sure Michelle was there to make sure to toss in a "See how mean a country we still are?" comment...

282 Irish Rose  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:50:14pm

Good afternoon, lizards.

283 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:50:25pm

re: #233 Logician

While this apology reflects very well on Bezos both as a person and as a CEO, it does not answer some questions that must be occurring to Kindle owners, and especially, prospective purchasers - notably: (1) What will Amazon's policy be in such situations in future? And (2) Does Amazon (the company, not just its CEO who will retire one day) guarantee that it will never again remove data from a Kindle without the permission of its owner (or a court order)?

In fact it would be best if they modified the software so as to make it incapable of doing that.

They have already pledged never to delete books like this again. After the bad publicity they received for this incident, I believe them. It would be commercial suicide for them to turn around and do the same thing.

284 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:50:28pm

OK - Bezos is a stand-up guy. Especially in today's world, it takes guts to issue a forthright apology like this. It ought to become required reading in business management courses across the country.

Compare and contrast with 0's non-apology, which stated that his critics needed to be re-educated and which never admitted even a trace of wrongful action on 0's part.

285 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:50:33pm

re: #277 victor_yugo

But the images are a problem. Or, they will be, as soon as the imams can organize enough radicals to seethe.

LOL, I just pictured an imam tweeting a seethe alert to his followers.

Apparently the mosque was turned into a museum several years ago and they've been restoring it ever since. I would love to see it, since I'm very interested in Byzantine history.

286 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:50:44pm

re: #268 lawhawk

Or you know where to shop and get 'em a wee bit cheaper. (aka Outlet centers or places like Century 21 in the NYC metro area). Still, expensive tastes...

Barf. I don't patronize those places.

There's an outlet tool store (lots of cheap) here. I did go in there once, simply because you never know where you're gonna find that one oddity which can do the one weird thing you've always wanted something to do.

/tool nut

287 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:51:22pm

re: #278 DaddyG

Take him out behind the tool shed.

If I were ever punishéd
For every little pun I shed
I'd hie me to a puny shed
And there I'd hang my punnish head.

288 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:51:42pm
289 jorline  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:52:14pm

re: #280 midwestgak

{jorline} Good to see you friend. Are the RA treatments helping?

Hi ya {gak}

The Humira is really helping, best I've felt in a year...thank you for asking.

How are you doing? How's the job hunt going?

290 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:52:21pm

Were deaths of 4 women a matter of 'honour'?

Kingston murders The suspicious deaths of three Montreal sisters and a caregiver found inexplicably in a car submerged in the Rideau Canal took a dramatic new twist Thursday, as police alleged the four had been murdered by the girls' parents and brother in a possible "honour killing."

It was not an honour killing, and it was not murder, says a relative of the suspects now charged in the deaths of three sisters and another woman, found in their car in the Rideau Canal.
That's a theory being pursued by police as family members are charged with first-degree murder in bizarre drownings of a woman and three teenaged girls in the Rideau Canal

Trouble appears to have been percolating inside the Shafia household. Montreal's child protection agency, the Direction de la protection de la jeunesse, visited the family on three occasions several months ago, sources told La Presse in Montreal.

Hamed Mohammad Shafia was harsh and authoritarian with his sisters, police sources said, and Zainab had complained to police, who referred the matter to child protection services because the brother was not yet 18.

Comments at Toronto Star are closed. People are getting very angry over this mass murder. On the one hand some people are expressing outrage at a certian section of our immigrant population. On the otherhans, lefty moonbats are bending over backwards to deny this has anything to do with a certain religion. Tempers are flaring. Now here's an interesting comment from an acknowledged expert:

The application of the phrase "honour killing" can be contentious, particularly for minority communities that fear being collectively tarred by the violence of a small number of people.

Anver Emon, a University of Toronto law professor who specializes in Islamic law, said he sympathizes with such concerns but supports the employment of the phrase when justified by the facts.

"From a social perspective, you don't want to criminalize a community by associating them with a particular, heinous act of violence," Emon said.

"On the other hand, from a legal perspective ... why `honour killing' can be useful is that it captures the idea of a kind of premeditation – that this wasn't an in-the-moment, spur-of-the-moment crime of passion but something that may have been planned. . . . It speaks to a kind of evil and hideousness that we must at all times prevent."

An expert in Islamic law, and a practicing Muslim, agrees with the use of the term "honor killing" in connection with these murders.

291 MJ  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:52:23pm

'Record rise' in UK anti-Semitism

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]


The BBC, of course, takes no responsibility for this increase.

292 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:52:49pm

re: #259 victor_yugo

Yeah, how will the Canucks get to the US border before 0bamaCare takes effect?

Just like we always do, on snowmobiles!

293 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:52:50pm

re: #285 doppelganglander

LOL, I just pictured an imam tweeting a seethe alert to his followers.

Apparently the mosque was turned into a museum several years ago and they've been restoring it ever since. I would love to see it, since I'm very interested in Byzantine history.

But if you make the sign of the cross on yourself (think Catholicism) while in Hagia Sophia, you will be arrested and tossed in jail.

294 HelloDare  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:53:09pm

re: #271 HelloDare

Believing in angels is one of the six Articles of Faith in Islam, without which there is no faith. The six articles are belief in: God, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, the Last Day, and that predestination, both good and evil, comes from God.

Kind of explains Islamists' apocalyptic view of the battle with Israel. They have no free will in this. They are destined to confront and defeat the pigs and monkeys.

295 hazzyday  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:53:37pm

re: #243 Kenneth

CNN headline, without a trace of irony:

Obama to officer: I didn't mean to malign police

Why no Mr President, you merely called them stupid racists.

I think a lot of people heard what he said and applied that interpretation. If the POTUS thinks the police are stupid, why shouldn't I. I expect to see this excuse show up on COPS.

296 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:53:43pm

re: #292 Kenneth

Just like we always do, on snowmobiles!

I suppose, if your destination is Alaska.

/

297 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:54:38pm

re: #271 HelloDare

Angels are no problem for the ROP, at least if they're not Jewish.

Angels in Islam are light-based creatures, created from light by God to serve and worship Him.

Believing in angels is one of the six Articles of Faith in Islam, without which there is no faith. The six articles are belief in: God, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, the Last Day, and that predestination, both good and evil, comes from God.

These angels were Christian angels, from when the building used to be an Orthodox cathedral.

298 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:54:47pm

re: #294 HelloDare

Kind of explains Islamists' apocalyptic view of the battle with Israel. They have no free will in this. They are destined to confront and defeat the pigs and monkeys.

Then Allah must be pretty weak, to let Israel hand the Islamists their collective arses every time things heat up.

299 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:54:48pm

OT - Just how pissed off is Nancy Pelosi that the Blue Dogs will not heel?

I suppose we can tell by the NPBE (Nancy Pelosi Bug Eye) scale.

Normal, not angry
Miffed
Incensed
Really Pissed Off
Furious

300 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:55:51pm

re: #283 Charles

The key phrase is "...never to delete books like this again."

It's possible Amazon.com might have to delete those books (possible copyright issues such as in this instance), but I figure that they'd do so after making every effort to inform the users of the reasons and timing for the deletions, and to make every effort to make the customers whole.

301 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:56:35pm
302 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:57:45pm

re: #264 doppelganglander

Good thing. I would have given them an earful. Wasn't there another case in the same area in which 3 girls were killed?

The other case involved a mother and 2 girls and their mother who drowned in a hotel pool. They were swimming while wearing "modest Islamic attire". The father and brother were eating lunch in a nearby restaurant at the time. At least, that's their story. I haven't heard anything more about this story but I imagine the police are checking into it.

303 Dekar  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:57:47pm

Scar tissue that I wish you saw

304 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:58:00pm

re: #275 calcajun

Some afternoon pun-ishment!

Ripping good! Not run-of-the-mill! Cut cross the grain! Puns to die for! I up-chuck with glee! Though you mitre warned me before you posted it

/now I'll back off a bit and give you a turn to make a cutting remark

305 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:58:45pm

re: #300 lawhawk

The key phrase is "...never to delete books like this again."

It's possible Amazon.com might have to delete those books (possible copyright issues such as in this instance), but I figure that they'd do so after making every effort to inform the users of the reasons and timing for the deletions, and to make every effort to make the customers whole.

Why don't they just tell us HOW they will handle this in the future, if it needs to be handled. What is going to be the NEW procedure that will handle the possibility that is "not like this?"

306 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:59:10pm

re: #286 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Different strokes (and bores) for different folks. My office is across the street from Century 21, and used to live 15 minutes from Woodbury Commons (one of the biggest outlet centers in the US. Nowadays, I go there mostly to look for cookware and other household items and occasionally clothing end of season - when you can get stuff for serious markdowns.

I try never to pay for retail. That goes for tools too, though I don't need to many at the moment.

307 HelloDare  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:59:13pm
They do not eat or drink. The angels do not get bored or tired of worshipping God.

Good. The last thing I want to see is a bored Islamic angel taking a crap.

308 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:59:21pm

re: #289 jorline

Hi ya {gak}

The Humira is really helping, best I've felt in a year...thank you for asking.

How are you doing? How's the job hunt going?

Good to hear you're feeling relief! It helps the desire to get-up-in-the-morning-and-go in the morning, or any time.

I'll paraphrase what I posted a couple of days ago. No point getting a job or two that don't even pay what unemployment does. Bidding my time 'til I have to accept working for "less than."

Otherwise, the rent is paid, the cats are fed and so am I.

309 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:59:25pm

re: #293 victor_yugo

But if you make the sign of the cross on yourself (think Catholicism) while in Hagia Sophia, you will be arrested and tossed in jail.

Wow, good to know. It would certainly be easy to imagine yourself in a church, even though it's no longer used as such, and act like you're in church.

310 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 1:59:58pm

re: #297 Kenneth

These angels were Christian angels, from when the building used to be an Orthodox cathedral.

Every time some whiny-ass Leftard starts bitching about the Phakestinians' "right of return," I hand them this. Shuts them up, every time.

311 Irish Rose  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:00:42pm

re: #299 CyanSnowHawk

OT - Just how pissed off is Nancy Pelosi that the Blue Dogs will not heel?

I suppose we can tell by the NPBE (Nancy Pelosi Bug Eye) scale.

Normal, not angry
Miffed
Incensed
Really Pissed Off
Furious

Heh. We need to do another one of those for Henry Waxmen.

The fiscally conservative Blue Dogs are standing up to Obama, and standing in the gap for the American taxpayer. They're seething about it over at Kos and HuffPo, of course... just livid that the Blue Dogs refuse to toe the line.

This moderate Republican gives the Blue Dog Coalition two thumbs up.

312 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:01:18pm

OT: Anyone see this craziness yet?

Kristallnacht in the grocery aisle: SFJFF partners vandalizing Israeli products at Trader Joe's


In this video you will see members of the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions Movement (BDS), an anti-Israel group which is supported by all three of the organizations involved in the SFJFF "Rachel" event -- the Rachel Corrie Foundation, the Jewish Voice for Peace, and the American Friends Service Committee, descend upon a local Trader Joe's grocery store, vandalize Israeli products, and try to bully customers into boycotting Israeli goods.

If you look carefully at the video, you will see that the slogan on the back on the black t-shirts that the vandals are wearing matches the slogan displayed by the JVP at the anti-semitic rally we reported on earlier.

These are the people that the SFJFF has allied themselves with. Charming, no?

I'm not very familiar with this stuff. Who is the SFJFF?

313 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:01:25pm

re: #302 Kenneth

The other case involved a mother and 2 girls and their mother who drowned in a hotel pool. They were swimming while wearing "modest Islamic attire". The father and brother were eating lunch in a nearby restaurant at the time. At least, that's their story. I haven't heard anything more about this story but I imagine the police are checking into it.

I'd appreciate any updates you come across. Certainly it wouldn't be hard to drown in one of those modest swimsuits that I've seen online, especially the ones with a capelike piece. And there are typically no lifeguards at hotel pools. Could go either way.

314 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:02:22pm

re: #312 Pianobuff

OT: Anyone see this craziness yet?

Kristallnacht in the grocery aisle: SFJFF partners vandalizing Israeli products at Trader Joe's

I'm not very familiar with this stuff. Who is the SFJFF?

No, and move on, there is nothing here to see.
/

315 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:02:52pm

Okay, lizards, I am off to see the new Harry Potter with my sweetie. Have a great evening.

316 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:03:10pm

re: #309 doppelganglander

Wow, good to know. It would certainly be easy to imagine yourself in a church, even though it's no longer used as such, and act like you're in church.

Thing is, because the icons were covered, but not destroyed, the Orthodox still consider them sacred. (The sanctuary is a different story.)

That's how the Russian icons were saved after 1918: pulled out, wrapped, and buried. When they were dug up and re-installed in the early 1990's, they were still holy icons.

317 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:03:24pm

re: #301 taxfreekiller

you making fun of witches ?

Is SanFranNan a witch? I hope not. I know a couple myself. Nice stand up women both of them. They dance naked under the full moon from time to time.

318 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:03:25pm

re: #305 Walter L. Newton

Why don't they just tell us HOW they will handle this in the future, if it needs to be handled. What is going to be the NEW procedure that will handle the possibility that is "not like this?"

I would imagine that they will be fully vetting anything offered in the future first. And that the process is already well underway based on his statement.

319 HelloDare  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:04:10pm

re: #299 CyanSnowHawk

OT - Just how pissed off is Nancy Pelosi that the Blue Dogs will not heel?

I suppose we can tell by the NPBE (Nancy Pelosi Bug Eye) scale.

Normal, not angry
Miffed
Incensed
Really Pissed Off
Furious

I think Incensed is Mary Tyler Moore, not Pelosi. /

320 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:04:13pm

re: #312 Pianobuff

OT: Anyone see this craziness yet?

Kristallnacht in the grocery aisle: SFJFF partners vandalizing Israeli products at Trader Joe's

I'm not very familiar with this stuff. Who is the SFJFF?

Seriously F'ed Jerkoff F'in F'ers.

321 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:04:47pm

re: #318 Bobibutu

I would imagine that they will be fully vetting anything offered in the future first. And that the process is already well underway based on his statement.

Were do you see that in his statement?

322 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:05:08pm

re: #311 Irish Rose

For Waxman, would we need to use nostril dilation?

/

323 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:05:22pm

re: #302 Kenneth

I had some of the details wrong:

[Link: www.thestar.com...]

[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]

The drownings occurred in the morning, around 9 am. The father reported that he was asleep with his two young sons when his wife and their 2 daughters got up and went to the pool.

324 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:05:30pm

re: #312 Pianobuff

OT: Anyone see this craziness yet?

Kristallnacht in the grocery aisle: SFJFF partners vandalizing Israeli products at Trader Joe's

I'm not very familiar with this stuff. Who is the SFJFF?

San Francisco Jewish Film Festival?!?

325 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:05:49pm

re: #305 Walter L. Newton

Why don't they just tell us HOW they will handle this in the future, if it needs to be handled. What is going to be the NEW procedure that will handle the possibility that is "not like this?"

Not settled yet. Likely depends on conditions when a problem is discovered. I don't envy them the task of satisfying legal requirements and customer satisfaction when it does happen, and it will happen again.

326 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:05:51pm

re: #306 lawhawk

Different strokes (and bores) for different folks. My office is across the street from Century 21, and used to live 15 minutes from Woodbury Commons (one of the biggest outlet centers in the US. Nowadays, I go there mostly to look for cookware and other household items and occasionally clothing end of season - when you can get stuff for serious markdowns.

I try never to pay for retail. That goes for tools too, though I don't need to many at the moment.

Yes, I shop sales and discount fliers aggressively. Bed Bath & Beyond hasn't gotten full price out of me for some time, and I save an average of 35% on my groceries (without going to the house brands).

Still, when it comes to tools, I've learned to NEVER buy cheap.

327 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:07:51pm
328 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:09:27pm

re: #317 CyanSnowHawk

Is SanFranNan a witch? I hope not. I know a couple myself. Nice stand up women both of them. They dance naked under the full moon from time to time.

The security folks at Mountain View Cemetery in Oakland

[Link: www.mountainviewcemetery.org...]

Are particularly vigilant during full moons around Halloween for nude dancers/runners thru the property.

Anyone you may know?

329 Irish Rose  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:10:08pm

Lizards, I am currently enjoying some of the best tabouleh, spinich pie, falafel, and baba ghanoush that I've ever eaten. A wonderful Jordanian family opened up a Mediterranean deli within walking distance of my house, and all of their items are homemade.

Sheer indulgence.

330 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:10:13pm

re: #328 Bobibutu

The security folks at Mountain View Cemetery in Oakland

[Link: www.mountainviewcemetery.org...]

Are particularly vigilant during full moons around Halloween for nude dancers/runners thru the property.

Anyone you may know?

Let me watch and I'll tell you.

331 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:10:34pm

OT: Since this is a gadget-ish thread, do any of you Lizards know of an iPhone app that magnifies text messages for those with impaired vision? I have a friend who is devoted to her iPhone, but due to her vision is using a 12x magnifying glass on a ribbon around her neck to read her text messages.

My nic is blue; thanks in advance.

332 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:10:34pm

re: #327 IslandLibertarian

Will "0" learn from this?:
Report: North Korea Publicly Executes Christian Woman for Distributing Bible

She was probably a stupid racist?

333 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:10:55pm

re: #328 Bobibutu

The security folks at Mountain View Cemetery in Oakland

[Link: www.mountainviewcemetery.org...]

Are particularly vigilant during full moons around Halloween for nude dancers/runners thru the property.

Anyone you may know?

Not my area. I live in San Diego, as do my friends.

334 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:10:56pm

re: #329 Irish Rose

Lizards, I am currently enjoying some of the best tabouleh, spinich pie, falafel, and baba ghanoush that I've ever eaten. A wonderful Jordanian family opened up a Mediterranean deli within walking distance of my house, and all of their items are homemade.

Sheer indulgence.

Lucky!

335 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:11:29pm

re: #321 Walter L. Newton

Were do you see that in his statement?

"We will use the scar tissue from this painful mistake to help make better decisions going forward, ones that match our mission."

I took it as inferred.

336 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:11:44pm

re: #329 Irish Rose

I love that kind of food. Especially falafels. With taheni sause.

337 callahan23  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:12:42pm

re: #329 Irish Rose

Lizards, I am currently enjoying some of the best tabouleh, spinich pie, falafel, and baba ghanoush that I've ever eaten. A wonderful Jordanian family opened up a Mediterranean deli within walking distance of my house, and all of their items are homemade.

Sheer indulgence.

Oh, there you made me hungry again, 3 hrs after my dinner.
;-)

338 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:12:44pm

re: #336 midwestgak

I love that kind of food. Especially falafels. With taheni sause.

But if you eat too much, you falafel for the rest of the day.

339 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:13:17pm

re: #337 callahan23

Oh, there you made me hungry again, 3 hrs after my dinner.
;-)

I think you have heard of second breakfast ...

;)

340 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:13:58pm

re: #327 IslandLibertarian

Will "0" learn from this?:
Report: North Korea Publicly Executes Christian Woman for Distributing Bible

Ri's parents, husband and three children were sent to a political prison camp in the northeastern city of Hoeryong the following day,

SOP in Stalinist utopia, 3 generations.

341 jorline  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:14:02pm

re: #308 midwestgak

Good to hear you're feeling relief! It helps the desire to get-up-in-the-morning-and-go in the morning, or any time.

I'll paraphrase what I posted a couple of days ago. No point getting a job or two that don't even pay what unemployment does. Bidding my time 'til I have to accept working for "less than."

Otherwise, the rent is paid, the cats are fed and so am I.

And you have all the friends in the world here at LGF. ;)

342 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:14:27pm

re: #330 victor_yugo

Let me watch and I'll tell you.

Alas - I offered to be a volunteer ride along on said nights and was politely refused.

Great bunch of folks - I would walk my dog there almost daily.

343 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:14:46pm

re: #331 OldLineTexan

OT: Since this is a gadget-ish thread, do any of you Lizards know of an iPhone app that magnifies text messages for those with impaired vision? I have a friend who is devoted to her iPhone, but due to her vision is using a 12x magnifying glass on a ribbon around her neck to read her text messages.

My nic is blue; thanks in advance.

I don't know iPhone, but consider this. Anything which enlarges the text on a fixed-size screen will inexorably shorten the line length, making reading more difficult.

The magnifying glass might be the best option.

344 callahan23  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:15:01pm

re: #339 OldLineTexan

I think you have heard of second breakfast ...

;)

I should be now at my third dinner also called the first nighter. Hobbitses are that way.
;-)

345 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:15:22pm

re: #336 midwestgak

I love that kind of food. Especially falafel. With tehini sause.

Meant to hit spell check first. Still don't know how to spell tahini.

346 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:21:03pm

re: #305 Walter L. Newton

Why don't they just tell us HOW they will handle this in the future, if it needs to be handled. What is going to be the NEW procedure that will handle the possibility that is "not like this?"

Impossible to say; the question is too open ended. The technology involved is new, and the implications of it are unknown.

Just to mention one wrinkle that leaps easily to mind: let's say that someone uploads a book for distribution, assures Amazon that the copyright is clean, than after distribution is underway Amazon discovers that the copyright is tainted - and that the file containing the book also contains a virus capable of wiping the Kindle's entire data store.

There are many such unknowns at this point, and it's impossible to devise an ironclad policy that encompasses such unknowns.

Note, too, that much of the problem rests outside of Amazon's influence; attorneys may seek court orders aimed at producing a particular outcome that Amazon may not agree with, but with which it must nevertheless comply.

What are Amazon's obligations in cases where you drop your Kindle? Are they required to replace it's contents? How about if a hardware or software malfunction wipes out whatever you have stored on there?

Demanding that they cast a policy in stone that covers all eventualities - even those outside their control - is a non-starter.

Finally - the Kindle is a toy. It's a neat toy, in many ways, but it's a toy nonetheless. And it is a very new toy. If permanence is an issue, I certainly wouldn't trust it to technology like this - I'd be reaching for carbon marks on organic fiber, that has a track record going back thousands of years and that is good for at least a few hundred years if properly cared for.

347 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:21:20pm

re: #304 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ripping good! Not run-of-the-mill! Cut cross the grain! Puns to die for! I up-chuck with glee! Though you mitre warned me before you posted it

/now I'll back off a bit and give you a turn to make a cutting remark

That was an off-the-kerf remark, wasn't it?

348 jorline  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:22:26pm

bbl

349 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:22:34pm

re: #329 Irish Rose

Lizards, I am currently enjoying some of the best tabouleh, spinich pie, falafel, and baba ghanoush that I've ever eaten. A wonderful Jordanian family opened up a Mediterranean deli within walking distance of my house, and all of their items are homemade.

Sheer indulgence.

Now I want spinach pie. Curse you and your easy access to Mediterranean cuisine!

Although I do have a lovely pork roast stuffed with peaches, thyme and garlic in the oven as we speak...

350 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:23:14pm

re: #317 CyanSnowHawk

Is SanFranNan a witch? I hope not. I know a couple myself. Nice stand up women both of them. They dance naked under the full moon from time to time.

Well, she is making people turn back to Newt?

Do we "want to get better" is the question.

351 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:25:23pm

re: #341 jorline

And you have all the friends in the world here at LGF. ;)

You are correct. They have proven themselves over and over again. Like yourself.

Those who do not know jorline's compassionate nature, let me give you a clue. He opened his email to me and guided me behind the scenes, like how to post an article. He gave me advanced warning about trolls and such characters who lurk here. He even defended me not so long ago when I posted an OT before the 100 comment mark had been achieved. I didn't know the rule yet.

{jorline} You are a valuable part of LGF and to me.

352 Pianobuff  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:28:04pm

So Crowley's AA partner thinks everything was handled ok...

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) — A black police officer who was at Henry Louis Gates Jr.'s home when the black Harvard scholar was arrested says he fully supports how his white fellow officer handled the situation.

Sgt. Leon Lashley says Gates was probably tired and surprised when Sgt. James Crowley demanded identification from him as officers investigated a report of a burglary. Lashley says Gates' reaction to Crowley was "a little bit stranger than it should have been."

Asked if Gates should have been arrested, Lashley said supported Crowley "100 percent."

Gates has said he was the victim of racial profiling.

President Barack Obama says the officers "acted stupidly." Lashley called Obama's remark "unfortunate" and said he should be allowed to take it back.

353 jamgarr  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 2:29:42pm

re: #329 Irish Rose


baba ghanoush

Wasn't that a song by The Who?

354 Curt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:41:06pm

re: #353 jamgarr

baba ghanoush

Wasn't that a song by The Who?

Out there in the field?

355 Banner  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:07:52pm

I for one am glad he apologized. It does make a difference to me, I'm back to considering buying one.

356 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jul 25, 2009 6:43:12am

re: #76 Charles

I'm getting lots of hate mail over that racist witch doctor image, by the way. Five so far today.

Charles -

Don't worry about it, shows you have guts to show it unlike some scairdy cat newspapers who chose NOT to show the "Mohammed Cartoons."
Publication does NOT by itself imply agreement - in fact it often shows the exact opposite.
The "Obama/Witch Doctor" Fauxtograph is insulting - worse - it is counterproductive.
Better is to join the debate with facts - such as the universally insured AND care rationed nations in the rest of the "Anglosphere" and Continental Europe. Perhaps Ann Coulter, of all people has the best solution - "Health Care" Stamps along the lines of Food Stamps. I tend towards the ideas of
Universal CATASTROPHIC Coverage, tax deductibility (better yet - Tax Credits) for other health insurance for individual subscribers, allowing Employer Association Pools, allowing interstate sales of health insurance policies - Health Insurance appears to be becoming an area of Federal Preemption anyway - Promoting Health Savings Accounts, and Tort Reform as to Punitive Damages.
My 2 cents. That is all.

-S-

357 Catttt  Sat, Jul 25, 2009 8:31:26am

I gave a presentation to a group of correspondents on Thursday on how important a firm's reputation is, how one little thing can destroy a perfect reputation, and how fixing the problem and apologizing for it can actually turn things around for the firm.

I wish to heck this apology had come out two days earlier. It would have been the absolute perfect example to use in how to do this well. This is truly the best corporate apology I've ever read.


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