Tea Party Leader Backs Racist Doc

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The national coordinator of the American Tea Party movement, Amy Kremer, apparently sees nothing wrong with circulating a picture of Barack Obama as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose, and she’s pledging her support to Dr. David McKalip: Tea Party Leader To McKalip: ‘We All Have Your Back My Friend!’

In an email exchange on the Tea Party listserv, obtained by TPMmuckraker, Amy Kremer wrote:

Robin, I couldn’t have said it better myself.
David, we all support you fully and are here for you. I can assure you of one thing and that is we will protect our own. We all have your back my friend!

Let me know what I can do to help. I am here for you if you need me David.

Kramer was referring to Robin Stublen, another Tea Partier, who in response to McKalip’s apology had written that what McKalip had done in sending the email was “no different than what liberals did for eight years with Bush cartoons” and “no different than the passing of Jib Jab videos that we all have shared.” Stublen also charged that “radical members of the left” had tried to “silence” him, and called McKalip a “victim,” and a “great man fighting for a great cause.”

Kremer is the American Tea Party movement’s official National Coordinator, and also serves as a prominent public face for the movement, on whose behalf she has made numerous media appearances in recent months. According to its site, her group recently helped put together an anti-reform event featuring Sen. Jim DeMint, Rep. Tom Price, Grover Norquist, Doug Holtz-Eakin, and other right-wing luminaries.

Meanwhile, McKalip’s “apology” for sending out that racist image was apparently somewhat less than sincere.

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434 comments
1 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:06:43pm
I have had a very hard day. When you stand up and fight effectively for freedom and to protect the rights of patients from control by the government and insurance companies - you develop powerful enemies. They have used the opportunity of a lapse in judgment to try to discredit me since they can't discredit my arguments.

The Robert Spencer defense! Brilliant!

2 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:08:42pm

I'm beyond pissed.

I want an effective protest against the policies and spending coming out of Washington.

NOT A BUNCH OF KOOKY NIRTHER RACIST FUCKING BULLSHIT!

Get the fuck out of my party!

3 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:09:50pm

I'm not surprised by this move. When the ADL issued that press release that White Nationalists were recruiting at Tea Parties none of the leadership or Tea Party bloggers spoke up. Racist imagery is fairly common on Tea Party facebook sites. Nobody seems to mind, and the images don't seem to draw complaints. Not all the Tea Party goers are racists but the element is present and tolerated.

4 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:10:06pm

What jcm said!

5 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:10:53pm

What jcm said.

6 BatGuano  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:11:02pm

When did the Republican party become magnetic north for these a**holes? We are now fighting a battle on two fronts!

7 opnion  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:11:35pm

re: #2 jcm

I'm beyond pissed.

I want an effective protest against the policies and spending coming out of Washington.

NOT A BUNCH OF KOOKY NIRTHER RACIST FUCKING BULLSHIT!

Get the fuck out of my party!


Yup, fight this stuff on the issues. personal attacks are counter productive & racist images are immoral

8 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:11:56pm

No true lunatic.

9 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:13:19pm

These idiots need a proper slap.

Youtube Video
10 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:14:04pm

On the McKallip apology, he's more upset by the fact he got caught than from what he did. Typical waffling faux apology.

11 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:14:37pm

Stinky,

After the last thread on this, I hope your stick is warmed up and your arm is nice an limber.

12 blangwort  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:14:54pm

Just as leftists have to deal with the moonbattery of their more radical members, conservatives have to deal with the hateful, supremacist garbage.

The Tea Party concept is fine. But too many kooks in the leadership of the movement will sink it. This is the same thing that will be Obama's undoing --and clearly he knows that the center is the only place where sanity can be found. The question is whether he can stay there and we can stay the right wing radical idiots from undermining the center.

13 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:15:02pm

re: #9 Idle Drifter

These idiots need a proper slap.


[Video]

Drubbing, more of a drubbing is in order.

14 Truck Monkey  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:15:46pm

re: #5 capitalist piglet

What jcm said.

Jinx! 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10!

15 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:16:16pm

re: #13 jcm

Drubbing, more of a drubbing is in order.

Cricket or Baseball Bats?

16 brookly red  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:16:17pm

re: #6 BatGuano

When did the Republican party become magnetic north for these a**holes? We are now fighting a battle on two fronts!

We have a 2 party system so the choices are kinda limited.

17 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:17:38pm

re: #14 Truck Monkey

Jinx! 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10!

I deliberately copied you. (I did.)

What happens now...do I owe you a Coke or something?

18 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:17:49pm

re: #12 blangwort

Just as leftists have to deal with the moonbattery of their more radical members, conservatives have to deal with the hateful, supremacist garbage.

The Tea Party concept is fine. But too many kooks in the leadership of the movement will sink it. This is the same thing that will be Obama's undoing --and clearly he knows that the center is the only place where sanity can be found. The question is whether he can stay there and we can stay the right wing radical idiots from undermining the center.

The (D) party has been over run and tolerates the nonsense from that side.

The (R)s must have higher standards.

19 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:18:05pm

re: #15 Idle Drifter

Cricket or Baseball Bats?

Yes!

20 HelloDare  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:18:09pm

McKalip is a brain surgeon. Doctor heal thyself.

21 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:19:02pm

re: #18 jcm

The (D) party has been over run and tolerates the nonsense from that side.

The (R)s must have higher standards.

How do we get rid of them? No one seems to know. I would guess that a good share of these folks are libertarians...but how do we distance ourselves? Do we pressure Michael Steele to do it? Will it matter?

22 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:19:48pm

He's now resigned as medical assn' president, smart money says he next tries to paint himself as the victim.

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

23 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:19:59pm
She said, "what McKalip had done in sending the email was "no different than what liberals did for eight years with Bush cartoons".

Same argument that a number of people have been making around here.

24 Stuart Leviton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:20:14pm

re: #20 HelloDare

McKalip is a brain surgeon. Doctor heal thyself.


For McKalip it's a no brainer.

25 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:20:51pm

(a little cross posting from last thread where I made this comment)

Ok, now anyone out there have any questions about the Tea Party. This was one of the head honchos supporting an obvious racist picture, Photoshopped by a recognizable member, a licensed doctor no less, a brain surgeon.

Up to this point, some supporters have mentioned that it is only a hand full of kooks that have associated themselves with the Tea Party and these kooks do no reflect the leadership or the rest of the members.

Well, it does now. I wonder how many members they will loose over this? Anyone want to weigh in?

26 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:21:22pm

re: #21 capitalist piglet

How do we get rid of them? No one seems to know. I would guess that a good share of these folks are libertarians...but how do we distance ourselves? Do we pressure Michael Steele to do it? Will it matter?

What we do here. Talk about. If someone brings it up and endorses it call them on it. If elected officials endorse it, let have hell. Pressuring Steele with emails is good.

Just don't be silent.

27 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:21:58pm

Oh dear gawd, SMUG alert...

/that will surely fix things...

28 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:22:08pm
29 nikis-knight  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:23:21pm

I had kind of hoped, though not expected, that Tea Parties might have had some impact in reducing the magnitude of deficit spending of liberal fantasies. Which I think is probably very important.

But obviously the leadership is just using fears of Obama's reckless naivette to further darker agendas, and the people who are not really paying attention but want to make their voice heard need to extract themselves and do it in a different, more individual way.

30 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:25:01pm
Asked to imagine an email in which the African-American President of the United States is pictured as a witch doctor, Kremer said: "I don't know if it would be a problem or not."

Like so many banned lizards.

31 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:25:03pm

She said:

"what McKalip had done in sending the email was "no different than what liberals did for eight years with Bush cartoons"

Some people seem to think that life is a race to the bottom.

32 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:25:24pm
33 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:26:04pm

re: #32 HelloDare

Don't link that shit here.

34 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:28:28pm

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

(a little cross posting from last thread where I made this comment)

Ok, now anyone out there have any questions about the Tea Party. This was one of the head honchos supporting an obvious racist picture, Photoshopped by a recognizable member, a licensed doctor no less, a brain surgeon.

Up to this point, some supporters have mentioned that it is only a hand full of kooks that have associated themselves with the Tea Party and these kooks do no reflect the leadership or the rest of the members.

Well, it does now. I wonder how many members they will loose over this? Anyone want to weigh in?

I will say this...I supported the idea from the outset, and almost as soon problems started to show up, via KT...I supported his research even tho the results were pissing me off...on and on and it got annoying...I said a few mean things to KT but no big deal...one night he was getting pounded pretty hard and he said, quote, "I'm gonna keep posting this stuff til you get it" and right then I knew it was over for the tea parties and their supporters...I got a big a huge jolly from that one statement and regretted ever tossing elbows over the issue...some people do it and some people just react...KT got it done...he would not quit and he had little support along the way...stroke fest over

35 HelloDare  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:28:54pm

Just trying to show the kind of people he associated with.

36 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:29:20pm

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

(a little cross posting from last thread where I made this comment)

Ok, now anyone out there have any questions about the Tea Party. This was one of the head honchos supporting an obvious racist picture, Photoshopped by a recognizable member, a licensed doctor no less, a brain surgeon.

Up to this point, some supporters have mentioned that it is only a hand full of kooks that have associated themselves with the Tea Party and these kooks do no reflect the leadership or the rest of the members.

Well, it does now. I wonder how many members they will loose over this? Anyone want to weigh in?

They lost me very early, when the organizers never came out to distance themselves from the kooks.

The media will continue to paint the Tea Parties as the grassroots voice of he conservative / libertarian / classical liberals. The link all the opponents of Health Care reform to the picture of Obama as witchdoctor.

It not only stupid, racist and a bunch of other things. It only helps sell liberty down the crapper not preserve it.

The more that realize that, the sooner the better.

37 nikis-knight  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:30:55pm

Stuff like this is why we have a republic, not a democracy.

38 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:31:48pm
39 BlueRoses  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:33:08pm

You can't trust anybody to have brains nowadays can you ?

40 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:34:21pm

re: #36 jcm

They lost me very early, when the organizers never came out to distance themselves from the kooks.

The media will continue to paint the Tea Parties as the grassroots voice of he conservative / libertarian / classical liberals. The link all the opponents of Health Care reform to the picture of Obama as witchdoctor.

It not only stupid, racist and a bunch of other things. It only helps sell liberty down the crapper not preserve it.

The more that realize that, the sooner the better.

I had a this way, that way opinion up to this point, on one side here there was nothing good about the Tea Parties and on the other side here, it was all Tea Party all the time, I've been annoyed by both extremes, and I have commented, letting both extremes know that in my opinion this was being beat to death.

But, when the leadership take a stand like this, then the party is over (pun intended). There is no way to blame this on the occasional kook, or Paulian hanger-on or the neo-nazis who hook on to anything that will push against certain people (such as a black president).

Now it is in the lap of a major player. Game over. Checkmate.

I'm curious how much support we are going to see here on LGF, from the standard supportive Tea Party people?

41 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:34:29pm

re: #35 HelloDare

Just trying to show the kind of people he associated with.

I understand. But some sites aren't welcome.

42 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:34:44pm

re: #36 jcm

They lost me very early, when the organizers never came out to distance themselves from the kooks.

The media will continue to paint the Tea Parties as the grassroots voice of he conservative / libertarian / classical liberals. The link all the opponents of Health Care reform to the picture of Obama as witchdoctor.

It not only stupid, racist and a bunch of other things. It only helps sell liberty down the crapper not preserve it.

The more that realize that, the sooner the better.

I don't like being muscled, or told what to think or told what to do...I don't give a shit if it's liberals or crackpot right wing survivalists...it's all a collective of one sort or another...if they need me that bad, they just drove me away

43 kynna  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:34:49pm

re: #36 jcm

They lost me very early, when the organizers never came out to distance themselves from the kooks.

The media will continue to paint the Tea Parties as the grassroots voice of he conservative / libertarian / classical liberals. The link all the opponents of Health Care reform to the picture of Obama as witchdoctor.

It not only stupid, racist and a bunch of other things. It only helps sell liberty down the crapper not preserve it.

The more that realize that, the sooner the better.

They're painting the Tea Party movement as Republican. It's unfortunate the movement has attracted leadership from Paulians, nirthers and IDers. It would be nice if someone who could draw a big crowd could gently nudge the most well-meaning of the participants in the direction of a different, organization. Hmm. Now who could do that? I simply can't think of one recently freed up libertarian-leaning politician who could draw a crowd of fiscal conservatives.

//

44 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:34:53pm

re: #15 Idle Drifter

Cricket or Baseball Bats?

And hockey sticks!

45 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:35:09pm

I suspect that the powers that be are moving fast for damage control in this one since he's also tied to AAPA and Jpand etc.

46 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:35:20pm
47 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:37:02pm

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

Call Igor, at 1-800-643-BRAIN. He'll set you up.

Yes, but I don't like Abby

48 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:37:12pm

re: #39 BlueRoses

You can't trust anybody to have brains nowadays can you ?

Willful, they McKalip and Kremer are acting willfully. Those willful action damage the fight against what is come down from the new Olympus (D.C.) upon our mortal heads.

49 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:37:28pm

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

Call Igor, at 1-800-643-BRAIN. He'll set you up.

How 'bout the Brain Depository? After 5 PM, just slip the brains through the slot in the door!

50 BlueRoses  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:38:03pm

(a little cross posting from last thread where I made this comment)

Ok, now anyone out there have any questions about the Tea Party. This was one of the head honchos supporting an obvious racist picture, Photoshopped by a recognizable member, a licensed doctor no less, a brain surgeon.

Up to this point, some supporters have mentioned that it is only a hand full of kooks that have associated themselves with the Tea Party and these kooks do no reflect the leadership or the rest of the members.

Well, it does now. I wonder how many members they will loose over this? Anyone want to weigh in?

~~~

They've lost me. Now where do I go?

51 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:38:19pm

re: #33 Sharmuta

Don't link that shit here.

I am very disappointed tonight...Heavy hearted...I went to justoneminute blog today to read up.I came from there a year ago to here...
Tom.. A Rudgers University guy I really respect...
Is steering towards a nirther view offering claims that a mother worried about a Nigerian court and Custody issues planted the newspaper stories 47 years in Hawaii...
I'm very disturbed by the lurching into insanity on the right...This has hit home for me...The rest was just unknown bloggers and posters...Easily brushed off...
I am at a lost for words...

52 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:38:23pm
53 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:38:55pm

re: #50 BlueRoses

The calmer voices will be back in the Republican party after wandering a bit longer in the desert, give them time.

54 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:40:03pm

re: #52 Iron Fist

IF, does it matter? Just a side note that someone got banned earlier for pimping that continuously.

55 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:40:15pm

re: #52 Iron Fist

The photoshop is of a South East Asian Islander. Probably from Borneo or Indionesia. I'm not sure why people insist it is "African" when it clearly isn't. I could speculate that they want to see racisism...

Does it really matter to anyone but an anthropologist or a costume designer? The intent is clear, the intent was racial. Why isn't that simple fact the end of it?

56 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:40:31pm
57 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:40:34pm

re: #50 BlueRoses


They've lost me. Now where do I go?

You're in the right place.

58 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:40:41pm

re: #52 Iron Fist

The photoshop is of a South East Asian Islander. Probably from Borneo or Indionesia. I'm not sure why people insist it is "African" when it clearly isn't. I could speculate that they want to see racisism...

What part of "a faked picture of a black man with a BONE THROUGH HIS FREAKING NOSE is racist" is unclear to you? Are you seriously trying to claim there was nothing racist about this?

59 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:40:52pm

re: #52 Iron Fist

The photoshop is of a South East Asian Islander. Probably from Borneo or Indionesia. I'm not sure why people insist it is "African" when it clearly isn't. I could speculate that they want to see racisism...

you may know that but 20 million other people don't...the intent was racist imo

60 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:41:12pm

re: #58 Charles

What part of "a faked picture of a black man with a BONE THROUGH HIS FREAKING NOSE is racist" is unclear to you? Are you seriously trying to claim there was nothing racist about this?

I'm really waiting for this answer.

61 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:42:00pm
62 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:42:14pm
63 BlueRoses  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:42:15pm

re: #59 albusteve

you may know that but 20 million other people don't...the intent was racist imo

Of course it was. God we don't need this stuff. We have enough problems already.

64 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:42:19pm

re: #34 albusteve

Cheers.

65 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:42:19pm

They've lost me. Now where do I go?

DISNEY WORLD!

66 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:42:35pm

re: #61 Iron Fist

Charles will ban me if he wants to. That isn't my call. I find it interesting that there is so much resistance to what is so obvious.

So, you don't see this as racist? Simple answer, yes, no?

67 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:42:44pm

re: #61 Iron Fist

It's obvious to me that the photoshop is racist.

68 BlueRoses  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:42:59pm

re: #65 albusteve

They've lost me. Now where do I go?

DISNEY WORLD!

Wise guy :)

69 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:43:17pm

re: #61 Iron Fist

Dude log off fricking now..Calm down and let's visit this later when you have your thoughts together

70 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:43:31pm

re: #68 BlueRoses

Wise guy :)

Look for him to come back covered in duck and mouse bites.

/

71 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:44:41pm
72 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:44:54pm

re: #61 Iron Fist

Charles will ban me if he wants to. That isn't my call. I find it interesting that there is so much resistance to what is so obvious.

chill out bro...please

73 HelloDare  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:45:15pm
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74 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:45:47pm
75 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:46:10pm

re: #52 Iron Fist

The photoshop is of a South East Asian Islander. Probably from Borneo or Indionesia. I'm not sure why people insist it is "African" when it clearly isn't. I could speculate that they want to see racisism...

The point isn't the origin of the shaman used in the image.

The point is final image. Obama as witchdoctor, the historical background of what blacks in this country have been called, the image harkens to all that, that blacks are less able because of their color.

76 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:46:40pm

re: #51 HoosierHoops

I am very disappointed tonight...Heavy hearted...I went to justoneminute blog today to read up.I came from there a year ago to here...
Tom.. A Rudgers University guy I really respect...
Is steering towards a nirther view offering claims that a mother worried about a Nigerian court and Custody issues planted the newspaper stories 47 years in Hawaii...
I'm very disturbed by the lurching into insanity on the right...This has hit home for me...The rest was just unknown bloggers and posters...Easily brushed off...
I am at a lost for words...

Oh, {Hoops}. I wish there was something I could say that would reassure you, or otherwise make you feel better. I think this is going to get worse before it gets better.

77 callahan23  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:47:01pm

re: #74 Iron Fist

If I don't get banned, I'll make sure we can discuss this via email.

Your nic is blue but leads to the lyrics.

78 Stuart Leviton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:47:17pm

re: #69 HoosierHoops

Dude log off fricking now..Calm down and let's visit this later when you have your thoughts together

Iron Fist, I see you've been a member of lgf since 2004 and you have over 17,000 updings. Good job. My gut feeling is for you to take some time out. One day. Two days. Then perhaps a private thread can be set up to discuss it. It's just my gut reaction ... and yes, who the heck am I to advise you for I am quite a new comer. Good luck, my friend.

79 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:47:31pm

re: #73 HelloDare

A big win for whoever would gladly replace them online.

80 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:47:51pm
81 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:47:53pm

re: #71 Iron Fist

The bone through his nose is just another piercing. I knoe you are upset about this, but I really don't know why. It is nothing compared to, say, the pictures of Condoleza Rice as a freak.

The Left made their bed. Why don't you want them to sleep in it?

The right pulled back the covers and jumped in with raciest...The right should aspired to our better angels...Smarter ideas...the light on the hill..
Not this shit..not now..not ever

82 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:48:31pm

re: #71 Iron Fist

The bone through his nose is just another piercing. I knoe you are upset about this, but I really don't know why. It is nothing compared to, say, the pictures of Condoleza Rice as a freak.

The Left made their bed. Why don't you want them to sleep in it?

This isn't the left's bed. Nor does the left's bad behavior excuse this.

83 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:49:06pm
84 legalpad  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:49:08pm

re: #52 Iron Fist

Come on, Iron. Jump on the bandwagon./

85 BlueRoses  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:49:12pm

re: #80 Iron Fist

re: #80 Iron Fist

So we can never, really, condemn Obama. Or discredit him, or anything else. He's half-black so he is protected.

I don't believe that.

Discredit someone because of his race? No. Discredit him because oh his ideas yes.

86 Stuart Leviton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:49:22pm

Iron Fist, just to let you know, I have gotten some updings for my advice. But I think the updings belong to you. Looks like you're loved and respected! Take good heart!

87 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:49:28pm
88 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:49:49pm

Hi, I'm from New Guinea. Free pass.

Please excuse Silvergirl's past, present and future gaffes. She's from Papua and that's just the way it is.

I looked through some blog comments out there and if I've read "it's not even an African witch doctor, he's from New Guinea" once, I've read it 50 times. Latch on hard to that line, but it's still taking you down.

89 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:50:01pm

re: #52 Iron Fist

Fist? I doesn't matter what it is-- it's got the POTUS--and African American POTUS- with a bone through his nose. It's a negative stereotypical image.

It would be as bad if you had photoshopped BHO's image on a Cream of Wheat or Uncle Ben's box. It was mean to be insulting by using a stereotype image.

As I said in an earlier thread, I don't like the term "racist" because I think it is too broad and over used. It might have had some meaning, but like "fascist", its original meaning has been diluted. I did not rush to condemn the photo above as "racist" ( though I decried it, its use and the person who published it) as, frankly, I am no longer certain as to the meaning of the word, or if it in fact has any real meaning.

But, this stupid image perpetuates a negative stereotype. The person who made it has a bigoted, prejudiced image of the POTUS and thought playing this game was funny. It isn't and these people are in our own damn party. And, NO--just because the POTUS might play the race card does not mean we can, too. First, it won't work. Second, we have to be better than that.

I am not an advocate of shooting the wounded, but if this Dr. and others don't see the harm they're doing, then the GOP has no hope in hell of appealing to minority voters.

90 BlueRoses  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:50:09pm

Shabbat Shalom

91 J.D.  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:50:17pm

re: #87 buzzsawmonkey

Good Shabbos to everyone to whom that applies: a superb weekend to everyone, with Shabbos or without.

I don't know whether I have Shabbos or not, but thanks! You, too!

92 Syrah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:50:21pm

re: #80 Iron Fist

There are some things that are out of bounds.

Ad hominems that are even remotely tide to race are a no-go.

93 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:50:24pm

I have absolutely fucking had it with LGF readers apologizing for this shit.

94 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:50:36pm

re: #52 Iron Fist

The photoshop is of a South East Asian Islander. Probably from Borneo or Indionesia. I'm not sure why people insist it is "African" when it clearly isn't. I could speculate that they want to see racisism...

Yeah, like people are going to look at that picture and their first thought will be "oh yeah, Asians!"

/

95 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:50:55pm

re: #71 Iron Fist

What's the matter? Is this how you deal with this sort of thing, but suggesting we should step down to their level? Do you have any morals, or what's good for the goose is good for the gander?

This is not different than a bunch of neanderthals bashing each other over the heads with clubs because they can.

Sick.

96 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:50:59pm

re: #69 HoosierHoops

He might-- it's just that it's a very small pile.

97 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:51:04pm

re: #80 Iron Fist

Bullshit strawman. You can attack him all you want, I do all the time. You don't have to resort to race to do it. Race is just a distraction to any real attacks and this photoshop is fucking racist, you know it, so why are you dwelling on it longer than five seconds? Are you a whyte viktim? Let me pull out my tiny violin.

98 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:51:07pm

"Just another piercing."

Well, that was just another blocked account.

99 Jack Burton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:51:44pm

re: #2 jcm

I'm trying to come up with the formula for "Kook-Be-Gone" but haven't quite nailed it down yet.

100 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:51:44pm
101 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:52:09pm

Fist,

The swastika has benign originals in Hindu religious symbols and elsewhere.

However one group used that symbol, and turned it into something hateful.

This isn't anywhere near that example.

But some fool took a completely ordinary image of a shaman, and turned it into something hateful.

The image itself, like the swastika isn't the issue, it's the purpose it used for, it's the final result.

102 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:52:11pm

Iron Fist,

The photoshopped image is caricature of America's first black President as Voodoo witch doctor, man from the jungle, with a bone through his nose.

(Repeat 20 times)

103 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:52:18pm

re: #87 buzzsawmonkey

Good Shabbos to you too, I have another hour or so before I have to sign off.

Spent most of the day working on a new logo for the Zionist Mall.

104 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:52:39pm

re: #99 ArchangelMichael

I'm trying to come up with the formula for "Kook-Be-Gone" but haven't quite nailed it down yet.

It involves Michael Steele making a speech that pisses a bunch of kooks off. I could help write it.

105 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:52:48pm

re: #80 Iron Fist

So we can never, really, condemn Obama. Or discredit him, or anything else. He's half-black so he is protected.

I don't believe that.

That was a logically fallacious comment, and beneath you. 0bama has been criticized for 2 days about Gates, and no one has called it racist. This ron paul fascist though- that is racist.

106 Lee Coller  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:53:08pm

re: #52 Iron Fist

The photoshop is of a South East Asian Islander. Probably from Borneo or Indionesia. I'm not sure why people insist it is "African" when it clearly isn't. I could speculate that they want to see racisism...

It might be obvious to one familiar with the culture of that region, but to anyone else (which is where most people fall), it simply looks like a black man with a bone through his nose. Do you honestly think the moron who produced this was thinking "let's get a picture of an South-East Asian Islander and photoshop a black man's head on it"?

107 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:53:09pm

re: #84 legalpad

Come on, Iron. Jump on the bandwagon./

So, you agree with Iron Fist and his comments above?

108 BatGuano  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:53:19pm

OH, Crap. Another one.

109 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:53:28pm

Oops. I wouldn't have slammed so hard if I'd known there would be no reply.

110 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:53:46pm

re: #96 calcajun

Sorry, Fist--could not resist.//

111 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:54:03pm

Good-bye, Cousin Fist. *sigh*

112 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:54:11pm

The man in the photoshopped image is a Huli tribesman from Papua New Guinea.

113 Jack Burton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:54:21pm

re: #104 OldLineTexan

It involves Michael Steele making a speech that pisses a bunch of kooks off. I could help write it.

I'm sure that will result in a couple days of heads exploding followed by Steele resigning and being replaced by Glenn Beck or something... there has to be another route.

114 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:54:30pm

re: #112 Ringo the Gringo

The man in the photoshopped image is a Huli tribesman from Papua New Guinea.

And?

115 BatGuano  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:55:07pm

I'll still try to observe "the rule".

116 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:55:23pm

He was almost at 20,000 karma.

And another one bites the dust.

Why oh why are people compelled to defend this indefensible crap?

117 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:55:32pm

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

And?

And nothing.

118 BlueRoses  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:55:37pm

re: #103 Alouette

Good Shabbos to you too, I have another hour or so before I have to sign off.

Spent most of the day working on a new logo for the Zionist Mall.

I'm going to have to take another look at it later. Looks like some cool stuff.

119 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:55:51pm

re: #99 ArchangelMichael

I'm trying to come up with the formula for "Kook-Be-Gone" but haven't quite nailed it down yet.

A few good measures of *WHACK* have to be in there.

120 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:55:57pm

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

(a little cross posting from last thread where I made this comment)

Ok, now anyone out there have any questions about the Tea Party. This was one of the head honchos supporting an obvious racist picture, Photoshopped by a recognizable member, a licensed doctor no less, a brain surgeon.

Up to this point, some supporters have mentioned that it is only a hand full of kooks that have associated themselves with the Tea Party and these kooks do no reflect the leadership or the rest of the members.

Well, it does now. I wonder how many members they will loose over this? Anyone want to weigh in?

Walter, I want to ask you if this is a new development or else I want to correct you that the "good doctor" forwarded the email and added his written opinion to the comedic value of the photo. I hadn't heard that he was the actual photoshopper. This does not excuse passing along racist commentary or absolve, but I think it's important that our facts are presented with accuracy.

121 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:56:11pm

re: #107 Walter L. Newton

No--he's coaxing him to come back over from the ... aw hell. He's coaxing him to stop defending stupidity.

122 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:56:23pm

re: #98 Charles

"Just another piercing."

Well, that was just another blocked account.

I am stunned Charles...The last 2 days have just left me stunned...
I don't blame you for being pissed...I am...Next time we do a private thread I'm going to talk some about race to the lizards...Disappointing ...

123 Jack Burton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:56:28pm

re: #111 Sharmuta

Good-bye, Cousin Fist. *sigh*

Great disturbance in the force...

124 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:56:36pm

re: #112 Ringo the Gringo

Objection-- Irrelevant. Move to Strike.

125 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:57:08pm

re: #113 ArchangelMichael

I'm sure that will result in a couple days of heads exploding followed by Steele resigning and being replaced by Glenn Beck or something... there has to be another route.

I sincerely doubt the Beck thing ... exploding heads are usually funny, though.

Seriously, M. Steele could stand up and make an anti-nirther, anti-political-YEC'r, anti-racist (whatever flavor) speech and make it stick.

If that implodes/explodes the GOP, maybe we're better off. I don't want the Party glued together with shit.

126 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:57:41pm

re: #111 Sharmuta

Good-bye, Cousin Fist. *sigh*

*sigh*

127 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:57:53pm

re: #116 Alouette

Why oh why are people compelled to defend this indefensible crap?

You really want to know?

128 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:57:57pm

re: #124 calcajun

Objection-- Irrelevant. Move to Strike.


I agree.

I wasn't trying to make any point.

129 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:58:31pm

I guess there's a human inclination to spin things, too.

130 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:58:39pm

re: #120 Silvergirl

Walter, I want to ask you if this is a new development or else I want to correct you that the "good doctor" forwarded the email and added his written opinion to the comedic value of the photo. I hadn't heard that he was the actual photoshopper. This does not excuse passing along racist commentary or absolve, but I think it's important that our facts are presented with accuracy.

My mistake.

131 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:59:00pm

re: #127 Sharmuta

You really want to know?

Because they are racist.

132 BlueRoses  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:59:24pm

re: #125 OldLineTexan

I sincerely doubt the Beck thing ... exploding heads are usually funny, though.

Seriously, M. Steele could stand up and make an anti-nirther, anti-political-YEC'r, anti-racist (whatever flavor) speech and make it stick.

If that implodes/explodes the GOP, maybe we're better off. I don't want the Party glued together with shit.

What are you going on about? What does this have to do with Republicans per se?

133 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 3:59:56pm

re: #130 Walter L. Newton

My mistake.

Thanks. I'm still wondering who the photoshopper was.

134 Macker  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:00:14pm

I'm surprised this wasn't made into a private thread...

135 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:00:25pm

Good evening group. Still shocked this is even being debated. When people protest something terrible with things like this, it negates the message entirely.

What I'm not shocked about is the connection to Ron Paul. Leopards rarely change their spots, and that is one spotty dude.

136 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:00:53pm

re: #98 Charles

Who now? My God, they're dropping like bags of wet cement! Oh, the humanity!


I must find something to laugh at.

137 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:00:59pm

Goodbye Mr Iron Fist, I hope you can look back on this as a teachable moment.

138 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:02:23pm

re: #132 BlueRoses

What are you going on about? What does this have to do with Republicans per se?

Here's a hint: the posts all link back to the previous post, etc.

In a nutshell, I would like to see the GOP reject some of the nasty rhetoric floating out there that is identified with "the right".

Your mileage may vary, but that's not "going on".

139 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:02:44pm

Goodness-- we're a buncha raw nerves 'round here.

140 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:02:49pm

re: #136 calcajun

hang tight - I just showed up and my typos are quite laughable.

I triple the sighs for Fist. It's such a mixture of sadness and anger when a regular drops in this way - sad because we really do forge relationships on here, anger because that person is supportive of something so ugly.

141 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:02:53pm

re: #89 calcajun

Fist? I doesn't matter what it is-- it's got the POTUS--and African American POTUS- with a bone through his nose. It's a negative stereotypical image.

It would be as bad if you had photoshopped BHO's image on a Cream of Wheat or Uncle Ben's box. It was mean to be insulting by using a stereotype image.

Well, it's not as bad, it's far worse. So far as I'm aware, no one's using a witch doctor with a bone through his nose as a commercial icon, at least in the U.S.

( As for what might be going on in certain Asian countries...)

142 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:03:06pm

depressing..I see no appropriate snark here

143 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:03:57pm

re: #142 albusteve

depressing..I see no appropriate snark here

Archangel Michael had exploding heads ...

144 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:04:50pm

re: #137 Ringo the Gringo

Goodbye Mr Iron Fist, I hope you can look back on this as a teachable moment.

Tough stuff. Life has too many teachable moments sometimes but we bump along as best we can. I've had my quote up for weeks now (when you click on the avatar) since it applies to life and LGF is a slice of that life.

145 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:04:55pm

To back up what I said, there's plenty to criticize Obama without ever referencing race, this is the stuff that will sap from his base of power best.

[Link: www.google.com...]

When I first wrote my post at the start of the month I was number three on the search for "Obama's First Six Months" -- now that the big dogs have weighed in I've toppled well down the list with my backwater blog.

146 Syrah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:05:08pm

re: #116 Alouette

He was almost at 20,000 karma.

And another one bites the dust.

Why oh why are people compelled to defend this indefensible crap?

There is so much resentment built up over the all of the shit-sandwiches that the "left" has made the the "right" eat over the course of the Bush years that some people are of the mind that "Now, its our turn!" They have lost all judgment. They cannot step back from the brink.

It is akin to a hysteria.

A madness.

I fear that it will go on for a long time to come.

#

Those that have gone, they chose their fate, as we all choose ours.

We must all remind ourselves and our friends of the importance of choosing well.

147 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:05:12pm

re: #141 Dar ul Harb

Well, it's not as bad, it's far worse. So far as I'm aware, no one's using a witch doctor with a bone through his nose as a commercial icon, at least in the U.S.

( As for what might be going on in certain Asian countries...)

Ok, the Church of the SubGenius may have something to say about the new logo. It's Bob in a top hat.

148 Jack Burton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:05:15pm

re: #125 OldLineTexan

I didn't think Beck literally would be who was picked, I just couldn't think of any kook YEC/Nirther who wasn't already in office other than Rush or Hannity that would take the job (because I'm assuming those 2 wouldn't).

I'm almost positive that if Steele makes such a speech blasting the kooks in the party we will hear a drumbeat of anti-Steele rhetoric from Limbaugh, et al until he quits. If that causes the party to self-destruct, I agree with you, we will probably be better off as we will have an opportunity to make a non kook conservative party. It's better for this to happen now than 2012.

149 callahan23  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:05:25pm

re: #140 ArmyWife

hang tight - I just showed up and my typos are quite laughable.

I triple the sighs for Fist. It's such a mixture of sadness and anger when a regular drops in this way - sad because we really do forge relationships on here, anger because that person is supportive of something so ugly.

A gazillion dings for that. Reflects so much of what I was thinking and feeling. Thanks {ArmyWife}

150 Wendya  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:05:40pm

re: #36 jcm

re: #80 Iron Fist

So we can never, really, condemn Obama. Or discredit him, or anything else. He's half-black so he is protected.

I don't believe that.


Of course we can but we'd be pretty damned stupid to do it with images designed to make him look like a savage... the very claim used at one point to justify slavery.

This isn't about what's fair... it's about perception.

151 BlueRoses  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:05:41pm

re: #132 BlueRoses

What are you going on about? What does this have to do with Republicans per se?

Here's a hint: the posts all link back to the previous post, etc.

In a nutshell, I would like to see the GOP reject some of the nasty rhetoric floating out there that is identified with "the right".

OK. Good luck there. Don't forget some of that rhetoric has nothing to do with the right. It is just nasty people. Nothing right about it.

152 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:05:53pm

re: #133 Silvergirl

Thanks. I'm still wondering who the photoshopper was.

A search for images show it on white pride and white power sites over a year ago.

153 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:06:17pm

re: #144 Silvergirl

Tough stuff. Life has too many teachable moments sometimes but we bump along as best we can. I've had my quote up for weeks now (when you click on the avatar) since it applies to life and LGF is a slice of that life.

Nice quote.
My quote is by Chico Marx.

154 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:06:38pm

Well, at least now I don't have to worry about deleting any more comments from a certain person talking about stabbing, shooting, or otherwise killing people. I should have done this long ago.

155 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:06:59pm

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

Because they are racist.

be careful with that accusation...
seems to be thrown around a lot these days...

156 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:07:38pm

re: #126 jcm

*sigh*

I told him to fucking chill for awhile...But no...Everybody that gets the stick always has to take one more step over the line...
IR.. I love you..now suck it up and write Charles and then chill out...
Some lost soul last night said Racism is in the eye of the beholder...No it isn't! Racism is Racism period...There is no Grey area...
You either accept that or not...We don't fight this is the gutter..We stand on the high ground.. Those are the type of friends I want to be with on this blog... Chill..rethink what you said..suck it up and talk to Charles...
He is a fair man...There is no place in any corner of America for Racism or any hint of it...
Regards
The Hoopster

157 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:08:03pm

re: #155 IslandLibertarian

be careful with that accusation...
seems to be thrown around a lot these days...

If someone sees no problem with this picture, they are racist. Don't tell me to be careful.

158 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:08:06pm

re: #144 Silvergirl

Tough stuff. Life has too many teachable moments sometimes but we bump along as best we can. I've had my quote up for weeks now (when you click on the avatar) since it applies to life and LGF is a slice of that life.

yeah tough stuff...who gives a shit about your avatar?

159 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:08:47pm

re: #151 BlueRoses
OK. Good luck there. Don't forget some of that rhetoric has nothing to do with the right. It is just nasty people. Nothing right about it.

You know that, and I know that, but there are A LOT of people out there who don't.

And it doesn't help that many of the "nasty" people self-identify as "right", and the media will all-too-happily cooperate.

THAT's what's been bothering me, along with the circular firing squads.

BTW, if I do feel the need to "go on about" something, I won't be looking for your permission.

160 centaur  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:09:24pm

Wow.

Total topic change. Cubs win again today. Yeah, yes, happy thoughts ...

161 Macker  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:09:26pm

re: #156 HoosierHoops

Tell that to those who insist on prolonging this...namely, БХО, "Doctor" Gates, and the liberals.
Did I leave anyone out?

162 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:09:38pm

re: #150 Wendya

re: #80 Iron Fist


Of course we can but we'd be pretty damned stupid to do it with images designed to make him look like a savage... the very claim used at one point to justify slavery.

This isn't about what's fair... it's about perception.

What I said this morning...

I say this, I'll bet most shaman are honest purveyors of there craft. They may have been by passed by science but they believe what they do.

It's not only racist, it's deeming to the belief systems of others.

Obama is a snake oil salesman. Snake oil salesmen brewed up a concoction in the backs of their wagons, knowing full well it was a scam. A little alcohol and laudanum would make anyone feel better for a little while.

Obama has cooked up a health care concoction knowing its a scam, it will feel good for a little while, but the hangover will be intense.

Obama is a snake oil salesman.

zombie later pointed out there may have been something to snake oil ;-)

163 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:09:44pm

re: #157 Walter L. Newton

If someone sees no problem with this picture, they are racist. Don't tell me to be careful.

be careful
be careful
be careful...

/and don't tell me what to do either...

164 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:09:50pm

re: #159 OldLineTexan

Hmm, another block-quote fail.

165 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:10:32pm

re: #156 HoosierHoops

HH, this is why you are my friend. In our "community", you are the wise care taker. I can picture you doing this even if we lived in a town all together somewhere, or under an airport! You are the one that jumps in there to try to protect people from themselves. You have a heart of gold.

166 callahan23  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:10:33pm

re: #158 albusteve

yeah tough stuff...who gives a shit about your avatar?

This is what 'Silvergirl' was referring to:

Humility is the lesson, life is the classroom, all people are my teachers, and class is never over.

From her avatar.

167 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:11:10pm

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

Because they are racist.

Not necessarily. It may be they are so used to discounting charges of racism over imaginary bullshit that they reflexively do so even when something should be recognized as obviously racist. Then they dig their heels in about it. I'm shocked that IF continued to do so and really wish he had let it go after the first thread and cooled off for a few days.

168 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:11:31pm

re: #132 BlueRoses

What are you going on about? What does this have to do with Republicans per se?

After all, no *true* Republican...

169 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:12:11pm

re: #154 Charles

Well, at least now I don't have to worry about deleting any more comments from a certain person talking about stabbing, shooting, or otherwise killing people. I should have done this long ago.

maybe so...it's a hard thing for me tho...I can be selfish like that, it's the first time I ever really cared...oh well...move on

170 BlueRoses  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:12:16pm

re: #159 OldLineTexan

OK. Good luck there. Don't forget some of that rhetoric has nothing to do with the right. It is just nasty people. Nothing right about it.

You know that, and I know that, but there are A LOT of people out there who don't.

And it doesn't help that many of the "nasty" people self-identify as "right", and the media will all-too-happily cooperate.

THAT's what's been bothering me, along with the circular firing squads.

BTW, if I do feel the need to "go on about" something, I won't be looking for your permission.

Wasn't meant to offend. Just an expression.

171 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:12:36pm

IF was really creeping me out with his posts about his knife collection and his gun collection.

He's probably at the stalker site right now.

172 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:12:46pm

re: #156 HoosierHoops

I told him to fucking chill for awhile...But no...Everybody that gets the stick always has to take one more step over the line...
IR.. I love you..now suck it up and write Charles and then chill out...
Some lost soul last night said Racism is in the eye of the beholder...No it isn't! Racism is Racism period...There is no Grey area...
You either accept that or not...We don't fight this is the gutter..We stand on the high ground.. Those are the type of friends I want to be with on this blog... Chill..rethink what you said..suck it up and talk to Charles...
He is a fair man...There is no place in any corner of America for Racism or any hint of it...
Regards
The Hoopster

You did, and I updinged you.

I've taken many a chill break, and deleted even more comments before hitting post. Many times not 'cause I though I was over the line, but I wanted my intent to be clear.

173 callahan23  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:13:13pm

re: #156 HoosierHoops

I told him to fucking chill for awhile...But no...Everybody that gets the stick always has to take one more step over the line...
IR.. I love you..now suck it up and write Charles and then chill out...
Some lost soul last night said Racism is in the eye of the beholder...No it isn't! Racism is Racism period...There is no Grey area...
You either accept that or not...We don't fight this is the gutter..We stand on the high ground.. Those are the type of friends I want to be with on this blog... Chill..rethink what you said..suck it up and talk to Charles...
He is a fair man...There is no place in any corner of America for Racism or any hint of it...
Regards
The Hoopster

Needed to be posted again. ( HoosierHoops )

174 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:13:46pm

re: #131 Walter L. Newton

Because they are racist.

Actually- it's more complicated than that. Racialists have mainstreamed some of their tactics. Just look at the demonizing of the opposition. The other side is always wrong and we are perfect. And that's just a start. A lot of creepy stuff out therr to read if you go digging.

175 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:13:46pm

re: #167 CyanSnowHawk

Not necessarily. It may be they are so used to discounting charges of racism over imaginary bullshit that they reflexively do so even when something should be recognized as obviously racist. Then they dig their heels in about it. I'm shocked that IF continued to do so and really wish he had let it go after the first thread and cooled off for a few days.

Here we go, making an explanation for the racist who was making an explanation for the photo.

I don't care if IF is use to "discounting charges of racism." He couldn't see the forest for the trees even when the tress were pointed out to him. It's not like he wasn't given a chance. That's still racist, even if you have lost sight of it.

176 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:14:09pm

re: #166 callahan23

From her avatar.

yes, I apologize

177 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:14:30pm

re: #166 callahan23

From her avatar.

I really appreciate that.

178 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:14:49pm

Criminy. I go away for two days, and it's like a bomb went off in the bleachers.

179 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:14:51pm

I used to think the concept of "sensitivity training" was bogus. I had no idea so many people can not recognize racism when it is in their faces.

180 callahan23  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:15:01pm

re: #177 Silvergirl

You are most welcome.

181 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:15:01pm

re: #171 Alouette

So everyone that has a gun is a stalker, or just him? Have I "creeped you out", along with (for example) Occasional Reader? I've exchanged firearms chatter with both in the past. Should I resist the temptation to enjoy that topic (assuming it would be apropos to the thread)?

182 Syrah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:15:15pm

Alright everybody.

Follow my lead.

Deep breath.

Check the fridge for some beer (or beverage of your choice.).

Look out the window. Blue sky. Green stuff. Flowers. Bees. Puppies.

Its all good.

.

Keep cool heads people. Its important.

183 Silvergirl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:15:25pm

re: #176 albusteve

yes, I apologize

That's okay. As we were saying, we have to learn from these teachable moments and I've just had another.

184 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:15:40pm

re: #174 Sharmuta

Actually- it's more complicated than that. Racialists have mainstreamed some of their tactics. Just look at the demonizing of the opposition. The other side is always wrong and we are perfect. And that's just a start. A lot of creepy stuff out therr to read if you go digging.

Well Sharm, I'm just a simple country boy, and I see racism just as racism, all the fancy college words and descriptions and explanations goes right over my pointed little head.

Taint complicated fo' me.

185 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:15:56pm

re: #178 haakondahl

Criminy. I go away for two days, and it's like a bomb went off in the bleachers.

Let's look for an innocent fat guy that lives with his mom and give him hell over it.

/

186 Macker  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:15:59pm

re: #182 Syrah

Will vicodin, flexeril, and medrol count?

187 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:16:17pm

re: #182 Syrah

Alright everybody.

Follow my lead.

Deep breath.

Check the fridge for some beer (or beverage of your choice.).

Look out the window. Blue sky. Green stuff. Flowers. Bees. Puppies.

Its all good.

.

Keep cool heads people. Its important.

Good Idea. It's

FRIIIAAYYYAYAYDAY!

time for some dinner and drinks...

188 BlueRoses  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:16:42pm

re: #182 Syrah

Alright everybody.

Follow my lead.

Deep breath.

Check the fridge for some beer (or beverage of your choice.).

Look out the window. Blue sky. Green stuff. Flowers. Bees. Puppies.

Its all good.

.

Keep cool heads people. Its important.

Ah Shaddup :)))

189 Syrah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:16:47pm

re: #186 Macker

Will vicodin, flexeril, and medrol count?

So long as you don't mix them with alcohol.

190 Macker  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:17:13pm

re: #189 Syrah

Not Just No but HELL NO!

191 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:17:38pm

re: #185 OldLineTexan

Let's look for an innocent fat guy that lives with his mom and give him hell over it.

/

Well, only if he talks about guns and knives.

192 zuckerlilly  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:18:02pm

For me, as an European, it looks like it is common practice zu show US-presidents with a "bone through their freaking nose":

[Link: harryshearer.com...]

/sarc

193 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:18:28pm

re: #171 Alouette

IF was really creeping me out with his posts about his knife collection and his gun collection.

He's probably at the stalker site right now.

Did you discuss this with him at the time?

194 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:18:37pm

re: #191 haakondahl

Well, only if he talks about guns and knives.

I was thinking of Richard Jewell, but I DON'T LIVE WITH MY MOM!

///

195 snowcrash  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:18:42pm

re: #180 callahan23
Hi Cal, happy Friday night to you.

196 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:18:46pm

re: #181 OldLineTexan

So everyone that has a gun is a stalker, or just him? Have I "creeped you out", along with (for example) Occasional Reader? I've exchanged firearms chatter with both in the past. Should I resist the temptation to enjoy that topic (assuming it would be apropos to the thread)?

and are youuu a racist tooo? hmmm Herr Texan?

197 BlueRoses  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:19:20pm

re: #192 zuckerlilly

For me, as an European, it looks like it is common practice zu show US-presidents with a "bone through their freaking nose":

[Link: harryshearer.com...]

/sarc

Yeah all our black presidents have been portrayed that way.

198 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:19:26pm

Fridays' aren't like they used to be ... after some homemade pork fried rice and some beer, I have to get back to the guest bathroom repairs. It turns out that all of the darkest evil residue leftover from Mordor in middle earth is now lurking in my sink's drain pipe, and has rotted it out. Going to have to replace the whole lineup of plumbing all the way from the sink to the copperpipe in the walls...

199 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:19:43pm

Of course, all the big guns are in the Navy.

200 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:19:48pm

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

Well Sharm, I'm just a simple country boy, and I see racism just as racism, all the fancy college words and descriptions and explanations goes right over my pointed little head.

Taint complicated fo' me.

me neither but she has a valid point...there is an underlying psychology as to how racism becomes mainstream...jus sayin...

201 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:19:55pm

re: #196 IslandLibertarian

and are youuu a racist tooo? hmmm Herr Texan?

You want to put a sarc tag there, or are you serious?

202 The False God  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:20:07pm

To charges of demeaning other belief systems, Charles technically does that with Creationism all the time. And he's right to. Just because you believe something to be right, doesn't make it so according to physical reality. That's one issue I have with all religions. It doesn't make me intolerant to call them wrong, though, I don't think. They're free to believe what they want to, but I don't have to buy into it nor accept it as truth.

The moment they start applying hocus-pocus metaphysical things to real-life decisions that affect everyone in a nation, is the moment I tell them to stop existing and get a clue.

I am deeply worried by the bandwagoning that anyone who doesn't immediately apply a "racist" tag to the original image is a racist, as that would imply that I am a racist. I don't like seeing iron-walling on either side of the isle. Believing you are right is a good thing, but being unwilling to accept any further argument whatsoever can be potentially bad. But that's irrelevant.

I just wanted to point out that sometimes, you have to stick to your principles and what you know is true, and be willing to test those convictions with real-life facts. Weird, mystical religionism doesn't stand up to examination, which is why you should look down on it and not accept it.

If a priest can summon "god" before me and convince me of his power, I'll believe anything branching from that when sufficient proof is shown. Until then, I'mma say "show me the money."

If Charles believes 100% that this is racist and that anyone that doesn't immediately decry it is a racist, then he should be doing exactly what he is doing: driving out racists.

203 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:20:26pm

re: #198 Thanos

Fridays' aren't like they used to be ... after some homemade pork fried rice and some beer, I have to get back to the guest bathroom repairs. It turns out that all of the darkest evil residue leftover from Mordor in middle earth is now lurking in my sink's drain pipe, and has rotted it out. Going to have to replace the whole lineup of plumbing all the way from the sink to the copperpipe in the walls...

Harsh chemicals are you friend--now.

204 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:20:36pm

OT

'cause it's something else that pisses me off.

Trial of Myanmar's Aung San Suu Kyi Extended

Myanmar's military regime, adjourning pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi's trial until Monday, gave no indication it will heed calls this week by the United States and Asian countries to free the Nobel Peace Prize laureate.

Suu Kyi, 64, is charged with violating the terms of her house arrest by harboring an uninvited American man who swam to her lakeside home and stayed for two days. She faces up to five years in prison.

[snip]

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton offered Myanmar the prospect of better relations with the United States, but said that depended in part on the fate of Suu Kyi.

They hijack a country.
They let tens of thousands die after a hurricane by deny aid into the country.
They gun monks down in the street.

And HRC offers the prospect of better relations.

Oh it's called Burma, Myanmar is the name the thugs who stole the country call it. Do we let kidnappers rename the baby?

[deleted] rant.

205 Jack Burton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:20:38pm

re: #186 Macker

Will vicodin, flexeril, and medrol count?

Flexeril is scary. I took it for pain in my Quads near my knee once, the same day I had to have a root canal. I fell asleep during the procedure.

206 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:21:08pm

re: #198 Thanos

they used to be a hell of alot more jovial too

207 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:21:16pm

re: #201 OldLineTexan

You want to put a sarc tag there, or are you serious?

/

208 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:21:50pm

Oh Noes! I must add another song to my DO NOT LISTEN list:

Symphony #9, Scherzo, Beethoven.

Three updings to the first person who can tell me why.

209 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:21:54pm

re: #198 Thanos

Well, damn, Thanos. Sounds like your weekend is going to stink. I'll think about you, that should help. ;)

210 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:22:04pm

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

Well Sharm, I'm just a simple country boy, and I see racism just as racism, all the fancy college words and descriptions and explanations goes right over my pointed little head.

Taint complicated fo' me.

OK- well I will be more pointed then. The left isn't the only side of the political spectrum that deals with collectivism and identity politics. I think there's a fine line between being "non-PC" and being a bigot. There are real bigots hiding behind these labels and mainstreaming these concepts. And this has nothing to do with "defending" political correctness, but when I see bigots pushing for the rest of us to embrace being "non-PC" then I have to wonder what the hell is going on.

211 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:22:06pm

re: #207 IslandLibertarian

/

Thanks. You can't be too careful anymore.

212 Macker  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:22:20pm

re: #205 ArchangelMichael

Flexeril is scary. I took it for pain in my Quads near my knee once, the same day I had to have a root canal. I fell asleep during the procedure.

I got this stuff 2 days ago 'cause my pelvis somehow got knocked out of alignment...ARGH!

213 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:22:32pm

re: #202 The False God

Ok this is your severaleth post on this. Cut to the chase. Do you think it's racist?

214 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:23:04pm

re: #212 Macker

I got this stuff 2 days ago 'cause my pelvis somehow got knocked out of alignment...ARGH!

DUDE! Make up a locker-room story and run with it!

/not here, of course

215 Lee Coller  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:23:05pm

re: #182 Syrah

Alright everybody.

Follow my lead.

Deep breath.

Check the fridge for some beer (or beverage of your choice.).

Look out the window. Blue sky. Green stuff. Flowers. Bees. Puppies.

Its all good.

.

Keep cool heads people. Its important.

Deep Blue Ocean

Sea Kittens

216 Macker  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:23:19pm

re: #213 Thanos

For the record, I believe the photoshop is racist. There are many other ways to go after БХО.

217 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:23:24pm

re: #181 OldLineTexan

So everyone that has a gun is a stalker, or just him? Have I "creeped you out", along with (for example) Occasional Reader? I've exchanged firearms chatter with both in the past. Should I resist the temptation to enjoy that topic (assuming it would be apropos to the thread)?

I didn't say everyone who has a gun, I just said that one particular poster was excessive in chattering about his weapons collection.

I collect antique cookbooks and bird tchotchkes, but I don't feel compelled to chatter about it constantly.

218 callahan23  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:23:27pm

re: #195 snowcrash

Hi Cal, happy Friday night to you.

And you too. I am just finishing my first shot of whiskey. Crossed the 4K barrier a short while ago.
How are you doin'?

219 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:23:40pm

re: #202 The False God

Why would we want to keep racists?

220 Macker  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:23:45pm

re: #214 OldLineTexan

ha ha ha

221 Jack Burton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:23:49pm

re: #212 Macker

I got this stuff 2 days ago 'cause my pelvis somehow got knocked out of alignment...ARGH!

Well "don't make any plans" it's way worse than NyQuil, or at least for me it was.

222 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:23:54pm

re: #209 ArmyWife

Well, damn, Thanos. Sounds like your weekend is going to stink. I'll think about you, that should help. ;)

Actually it's just four pieces of pipe and the faucet I have to replace, all >30 yrs old. Shouldn't take too long tonight. If it runs into tomorrow, then the neighbors will sic the lawn police on me.

223 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:24:02pm

re: #217 Alouette

I didn't say everyone who has a gun, I just said that one particular poster was excessive in chattering about his weapons collection.

I collect antique cookbooks and bird tchotchkes, but I don't feel compelled to chatter about it constantly.

I had to ask; your phraseology was less than exact.

224 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:24:39pm

re: #204 jcm

Do we let kidnappers rename the baby?

Good way to put it.

225 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:25:07pm

re: #175 Walter L. Newton

Here we go, making an explanation for the racist who was making an explanation for the photo.

I don't care if IF is use to "discounting charges of racism." He couldn't see the forest for the trees even when the tress were pointed out to him. It's not like he wasn't given a chance. That's still racist, even if you have lost sight of it.

You made a simplistic and condescending (you know, that's where you show or imply a usually patronizing descent from dignity or superiority) answer to a legitimate question.

Why oh why are people compelled to defend this indefensible crap?


Not once did I defend IF. I was pointing out the shortcomings of your assessment.

226 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:25:18pm

Question: What would Michael Wiener Savage do?

Do the opposite.

Michael Wiener Savage would like this picture.

227 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:25:48pm

re: #208 haakondahl

Oh Noes! I must add another song to my DO NOT LISTEN list:

Symphony #9, Scherzo, Beethoven.

Three updings to the first person who can tell me why.

Because it's in the saddest of all possible keys?

228 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:26:22pm

re: #222 Thanos

My projects at the Maryland house were never so simple. Do you recall 2 years ago when the bathroom fell in during Mr. Armywife's leave while he was deployed? That started as a simple drain repair, too. Just sayin'.

Seriously, I hope it goes well.

229 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:26:23pm

re: #202 The False God

You're mixing some odd topics. how about you take them one at a time?

A) debating theology is pointless. Everybody has a belief, and at some level, thinks that every other belief looks silly, WHICH IS FINE.

B) Showing president Obama with a bone through his nose is just plain racist. Any further discussion? Without weasel-wording your way out of answering? You don't take the fifth here when you start shit.

230 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:26:31pm

re: #210 Sharmuta

OK- well I will be more pointed then. The left isn't the only side of the political spectrum that deals with collectivism and identity politics. I think there's a fine line between being "non-PC" and being a bigot. There are real bigots hiding behind these labels and mainstreaming these concepts. And this has nothing to do with "defending" political correctness, but when I see bigots pushing for the rest of us to embrace being "non-PC" then I have to wonder what the hell is going on.

I understand that the left has set the right up, using racial tactics as a way to stifle valid arguments and conversations. But, the way around that is to play smarter then them.

I understood your comment, I just wasn't in the mood to over analyze it right now. This photo is simply wrong.

231 Wendya  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:26:33pm

re: #208 haakondahl

Oh Noes! I must add another song to my DO NOT LISTEN list:

Symphony #9, Scherzo, Beethoven.

Three updings to the first person who can tell me why.

Either because it's the EU Anthem or because it goes on and on and on ...

232 Syrah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:27:09pm

re: #202 The False God

Brevity is your friend, verbosity is not.

233 The False God  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:28:05pm

re: #213 Thanos

As I said before, I didn't see it as racist immediately, but rather saw it in the light of making fun by calling Obama a witch doctor. Maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm just dense. I see where Charles is coming from, though, and I agree with what a previous poster said about the need to stand up against such things. I also agree that the bad doctor is likely a racist of the lowest caliber, considering who he hangs around with. And I am now deeply, mortally worried about the "Tea Parties" that I agree with on libertarian principles, but apparently are now infested with supremacists.

That's a bad thing.

I had a difference of opinion on how I originally viewed it. I believe, in the proper usage, it could convey the idea that it's making fun of his medical beliefs and plans. However, it's racist in its current usage, and his admission means he meant it to be, originally.

I would like to addendum here that I'm against any sort of double-standards, though, on what is considered "obscene", etc., etc. It's way too much to make a conversation in such a topic.

Still worried about the branding stick being applied too liberally, but it's Charles' website, and I respect his decisions.

234 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:28:11pm

re: #212 Macker

I got this stuff 2 days ago 'cause my pelvis somehow got knocked out of alignment...ARGH!

Yeah, I dated her.

235 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:28:39pm

re: #202 The False God

If a priest can summon "god" before me and convince me of his power, I'll believe anything branching from that when sufficient proof is shown.

Even if a priest did exactly that, you'd still find a way to explain it away. "Bad vodka from Chernobyl" was Francis Xavier Cross's preferred explanation.

236 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:28:41pm

re: #228 ArmyWife

My projects at the Maryland house were never so simple. Do you recall 2 years ago when the bathroom fell in during Mr. Armywife's leave while he was deployed? That started as a simple drain repair, too. Just sayin'.

Seriously, I hope it goes well.

My simple "oh dear will you see why the linoleum looks funny" turned into this...

237 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:28:44pm

re: #202 The False God

Ya know, it's second nature to know shit smells, simple?

238 Macker  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:28:51pm

re: #208 haakondahl

Oh Noes! I must add another song to my DO NOT LISTEN list:

Symphony #9, Scherzo, Beethoven.

Three updings to the first person who can tell me why.

Would said song have the following lyrics?

“We Elites from High in Brussels
Shove decrees right up your butt
We will tell you to enjoy it,
Watch us as we bust our nut!

Then we’ll pass the laws that will tell you
How to eat, to drink, get fit.
You will scream and shout and complain,
We won’t even give a shit!”

239 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:29:05pm

re: #228 ArmyWife

My projects at the Maryland house were never so simple. Do you recall 2 years ago when the bathroom fell in during Mr. Armywife's leave while he was deployed? That started as a simple drain repair, too. Just sayin'.

Seriously, I hope it goes well.

I remember that well because at the time I was going through a "I'll just redo the falling cracking shower tile with a simple insert" thing... it went about the same, turning into a whole bathroom remodel.

240 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:29:06pm

re: #204 jcm

Do we let kidnappers rename the baby?


Do we recognize the "sovereignty" of thugs who steal entire countries? Yes, we do, I am sad to report.

241 Macker  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:29:13pm

re: #234 Noam Sayin'

1,000,000 updings!

242 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:29:55pm

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

I understand that the left has set the right up, using racial tactics as a way to stifle valid arguments and conversations. But, the way around that is to play smarter then them.

I understood your comment, I just wasn't in the mood to over analyze it right now. This photo is simply wrong.

No. That's not what I said at all. This is actually exactly what I'm talking about. You immediately blamed the left. The fascists' tactics have been mainstreamed.

243 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:30:02pm

re: #241 Macker

re: #241 Macker

You'll never forget her, Mack.

244 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:30:26pm

re: #227 Noam Sayin'

Because it's in the saddest of all possible keys?

I'll take your word for it, but that is not why.

245 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:30:27pm

re: #233 The False God

...Still worried about the branding stick being applied too liberally, but it's Charles' website, and I respect his decisions.

No you don't, or else you would not have had to make the above comment. Do you take us for stupid?

246 Macker  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:30:45pm

re: #243 Noam Sayin'

ha ha ha

247 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:31:00pm

re: #231 Wendya

Either because it's the EU Anthem or because it goes on and on and on ...

I'll take your word for it, but that is not why.

248 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:31:07pm

re: #242 Sharmuta

No. That's not what I said at all. This is actually exactly what I'm talking about. You immediately blamed the left. The fascists' tactics have been mainstreamed.

I'll continue to blame the left for what I want too.

249 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:31:27pm

re: #214 OldLineTexan

DUDE! Make up a locker-room story and run with it!

/not here, of course

Or hobble, there is an out of alignment pelvis to deal with after all.

250 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:31:47pm

re: #219 Sharmuta

They make better pets than ferrets and piranha?//

251 The False God  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:31:52pm

re: #245 Walter L. Newton

You have your opinion, and I respect your right to have it. This is Charles site, and I don't have any say in how he runs it. Personally, I can have my own worries, but he has to do what he believes is right. I don't see how what I've said is wrong.

252 Macker  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:32:14pm

re: #249 CyanSnowHawk

Believe me, I'm hobbling along...

/la la la la la la la la

253 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:32:26pm

re: #192 zuckerlilly

Bushmen. That's clever, Harry.
NOT.

(The cultural relativist critique that was so recently unsuccessful for Mr. Fist would suggest that Shearer's portrayal of President Bush with "a freakin' bone through his nose" is racist as well, to the extent that the humor derives from comparison of Mr. Bush to a stereotypical "primitive savage." Granted, it's not as obviously racist as the same treatment of President Obama, but how one could draw the opposite conclusion, that neither depiction was racist, well, you just have to be trying too hard to be ignorant of race not to see it. It's not a "double standard" to recognize the Obama witch doctor image as racist, it's a recognition of historical reality.)

Comments?

254 snowcrash  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:32:29pm

re: #218 callahan23
Very well thanks. It is hot, but not hellishly so, about 95 degrees. Have to mow the lawn later. I will have a drink after, maybe mix vodka in Gatorade LOL.

255 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:32:56pm

re: #240 haakondahl

Do we recognize the "sovereignty" of thugs who steal entire countries? Yes, we do, I am sad to report.

aye, yup, that we do. Doesn't mean I have to like it...

256 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:34:07pm

re: #233 The False God

Interesting, my wife, who was raised in Alaska where "racism" or even conversations about race are a rarity took one glance and figured out that it was racist immediately. No time for cogitation required. If you have to write so many sentences to justify how you could think about it otherwise you might have to stop and wonder if you aren't rationalizing it a bit too much.

257 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:34:07pm

re: #251 The False God

You have your opinion, and I respect your right to have it. This is Charles site, and I don't have any say in how he runs it. Personally, I can have my own worries, but he has to do what he believes is right. I don't see how what I've said is wrong.

why is it always about Charles?...post you thoughts and forgo all the windy drama

258 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:34:25pm

re: #244 haakondahl

I'll take your word for it, but that is not why.

Uh huh...

[Nigel is playing a soft piece on the piano]
Marty DiBergi: It's very pretty.
Nigel Tufnel: Yeah, I've been fooling around with it for a few months.
Marty DiBergi: It's a bit of a departure from what you normally play.
Nigel Tufnel: It's part of a trilogy, a musical trilogy I'm working on in D minor which is the saddest of all keys, I find. People weep instantly when they hear it, and I don't know why.
Marty DiBergi: It's very nice.
Nigel Tufnel: You know, just simple lines intertwining, you know, very much like - I'm really influenced by Mozart and Bach, and it's sort of in between those, really. It's like a Mach piece, really. It's sort of...
Marty DiBergi: What do you call this?
Nigel Tufnel: Well, this piece is called "Lick My Love Pump".

259 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:35:03pm

re: #240 haakondahl

Do we recognize the "sovereignty" of thugs who steal entire countries? Yes, we do, I am sad to report.

Ask a Huron or Mohawk that question. You might has a Mohican, but we're fresh out.

260 brookly red  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:35:12pm

Way OT, but I really can't remember & it is bothering me. Who was it that coined the phrase "voo-doo economics" ?

261 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:35:13pm

re: #256 Thanos

Interesting, my wife, who was raised in Alaska where "racism" or even conversations about race are a rarity took one glance and figured out that it was racist immediately. No time for cogitation required. If you have to write so many sentences to justify how you could think about it otherwise you might have to stop and wonder if you aren't rationalizing it a bit too much.

heh...

262 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:35:39pm

re: #233 The False God

As I said before, [blah blah blah] blockquote>
Look. For somebody who calls herself "The False God", you sure do ride the fence.

If you are genuinely conflicted, great--now's your chance to make your mind up. The Tea Parties have been a huge disappointment, and while the hostile media has a hand in that, they cannot make hay where there is no dirt. Get over it.
I think that if you can admit that the right now has a kook-fringe problem as bad as the left ever had, you'll be OK.

263 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:35:52pm

re: #233 The False God

Maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm just dense.

Possible explanations for not recognizing a racist picture in front of your eyes.

I had a difference of opinion on how I originally viewed it. I believe, in the proper usage, it could convey the idea that it's making fun of his medical beliefs and plans. However, it's racist in its current usage, and his admission means he meant it to be, originally.

What the heck would be a "proper usage"? Naive and dense don't even cover that.

264 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:36:07pm

re: #242 Sharmuta

No. That's not what I said at all. This is actually exactly what I'm talking about. You immediately blamed the left. The fascists' tactics have been mainstreamed.

This gets to be old. Not only do I agree that this photo and the intent of the man who sent it is racist, but I have to agree with YOUR explanation for everything.

Look, if the left is wrong, I'll blame them, if the right is wrong, I'll blame them. I have NEVER been partisan on this blog. And if I see racism in something, or someone, I'll point it out.

Why all this argument over this? Why can't you just be happy that I don't like this photo?

265 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:36:15pm

re: #260 brookly red

Way OT, but I really can't remember & it is bothering me. Who was it that coined the phrase "voo-doo economics" ?

Cole Porter?

266 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:36:17pm

re: #248 Walter L. Newton

I'll continue to blame the left for what I want too.

So the left is to blame for right-wing racism?

267 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:36:55pm

re: #260 brookly red

Way OT, but I really can't remember & it is bothering me. Who was it that coined the phrase "voo-doo economics" ?



When vying for the Republican party presidential nomination for the 1980 election, George H.W. Bush derided Reagan's supply-side policies as "voodoo economics".

I was stopping by Wiki, anyway.

268 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:37:20pm

re: #253 Dar ul Harb

Is the parenthetical quote a quotation from somewhere else? I certainly hope so.

269 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:37:30pm

re: #266 Sharmuta

So the left is to blame for right-wing racism?

see my re: #264 Walter L. Newton
and stop stalking me.

270 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:38:08pm

re: #257 albusteve

I'm beginning to think some view invoking the "It's Charles' site" as some sort of get out of jail free card.

271 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:38:19pm

re: #256 Thanos

Interesting, my wife, who was raised in Alaska where "racism" or even conversations about race are a rarity took one glance and figured out that it was racist immediately. No time for cogitation required. If you have to write so many sentences to justify how you could think about it otherwise you might have to stop and wonder if you aren't rationalizing it a bit too much.

Interesting, indeed. In P-Did-He's incoherent rant during the campaign season, he stated flat out that there aren't enough blacks in Alaska to give Sarah Palin any credibility on "race issues." This prompted a swift response from a very upset black woman who pointed out that there have been blacks in Alaska since before Alaska was a state. And another response (from a black guy) pointed out that the percentage of blacks in Alaska was higher than in P-Did-He's own neighborhood.

272 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:38:38pm

re: #179 wrenchwench

I used to think the concept of "sensitivity training" was bogus. I had no idea so many people can not recognize racism when it is in their faces.

I didn't either.

273 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:38:39pm

re: #260 brookly red

Way OT, but I really can't remember & it is bothering me. Who was it that coined the phrase "voo-doo economics" ?

George H.W. Bush in the 1979 primaries, referring to Gov. Reagan's "supply side" economic proposals

274 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:38:52pm
Youtube Video

/the first rule of holes comes to mind

275 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:39:06pm

re: #264 Walter L. Newton

You know what's getting old? You putting words in my mouth. I didn't say you had to agree with me on this or at any time on any thread over any point, ever.

276 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:39:46pm

I need a break... how 'bout y'all?

Youtube Video
277 brookly red  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:39:49pm

re: #267 Noam Sayin'

I was stopping by Wiki, anyway.

thank you

278 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:39:58pm

re: #269 Walter L. Newton

see my re: #264 Walter L. Newton
and stop stalking me.

And no, I am not making fun of someone here. I told you my opinion about racism, and I can't stand it, and I don't care what side it comes from, I blame all racism on racists, where ever they come from.

It sounds like you can't accept that simple idea from me and keep trying to push me into a corner that I am not going, cuase I don't agree with you.

279 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:40:06pm

re: #256 Thanos

Interesting, my wife, who was raised in Alaska where "racism" or even conversations about race are a rarity took one glance and figured out that it was racist immediately. No time for cogitation required. If you have to write so many sentences to justify how you could think about it otherwise you might have to stop and wonder if you aren't rationalizing it a bit too much.

Damn Cheechakos.

280 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:40:08pm

re: #269 Walter L. Newton

and stop stalking me.

You're a fucking perma-GAZE.

281 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:41:00pm

re: #270 ArmyWife

I'm beginning to think some view invoking the "It's Charles' site" as some sort of get out of jail free card.

yes, I wondered if it's just me...he's perfectly capable of maintaining it and he is fair and just...this bullshit tips me off immediately...it's free thought here and if you are inhibited with your ideas don't keep blaming it on Charles...post away

282 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:41:44pm

re: #276 jcm

been surfing for a break...good job amigo

283 Cheechako  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:41:49pm

re: #279 haakondahl

Damn Cheechakos.


Careful there!!/

284 The False God  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:42:15pm

re: #263 wrenchwench

The proper usage of trying to deride his health care policies, and not his skin color, obviously. Someone could make a cartoon of him as a witch doctor trying to cook up some miracle government medical plan, and I don't think I'd think "That's racist." Maybe it's just me.re: #257 albusteve

re: #262 haakondahl

What? I said they're kooky. In my own post. The part about "being taken over by supremacists" and "makes me mortally worried". What more do you want? They're as nuts as ANSWER and MoveOn, if not more so.

Just what are you guys looking for? Mental conformity on all levels? There's so much you guys seem to think I need to prove before you'll stop antagonizing me for what you think I believe, or something.

285 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:42:31pm

re: #280 Sharmuta

You're a fucking perma-GAZE.

Fine. I'm not trying to argue with you or put words in your mouth. I think we both are coming from a different direction, and I can say for myself, I don't understand you answers to my comments. I'm not trying to be snarky or nothing. I am totally confused about your comments, I don't understand them. I am not saying you are wrong, I just don't understand the point you are making.

Excuse me for being dumb.

286 ArmyWife  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:42:43pm

re: #281 albusteve

Do you also feel like those times at Thanksgiving when two loved family members are screaming to the point you fear potatoes may begin flying across the table and the only right thing to say is "more wine, anyone?"

287 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:42:52pm

GAZE

288 realwest  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:43:50pm

re: #276 jcm
Hey jcm - I just got an e-mail from a friend telling me that Iron Fist and Legalpad have been banned.
Is this true? Do you know what thread and what comments?

289 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:44:14pm

re: #288 realwest

Hey jcm - I just got an e-mail from a friend telling me that Iron Fist and Legalpad have been banned.
Is this true? Do you know what thread and what comments?

Look up above your head, right here.

290 freetoken  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:44:21pm

re: #288 realwest

You're here... this is the place.

291 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:44:56pm

re: #284 The False God

The proper usage of trying to deride his health care policies, and not his skin color, obviously. Someone could make a cartoon of him as a witch doctor trying to cook up some miracle government medical plan, and I don't think I'd think "That's racist." Maybe it's just me.re: #257 albusteve

re: #262 haakondahl

What? I said they're kooky. In my own post. The part about "being taken over by supremacists" and "makes me mortally worried". What more do you want? They're as nuts as ANSWER and MoveOn, if not more so.

Just what are you guys looking for? Mental conformity on all levels? There's so much you guys seem to think I need to prove before you'll stop antagonizing me for what you think I believe, or something.

you mortally bore me...post on tho

292 freetoken  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:45:31pm

Wow... some just tried the "if our President was a white guy" argument on the original thread...

Late, and wrong as usual.

293 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:45:51pm

re: #284 The False God

The proper usage of trying to deride his health care policies, and not his skin color, obviously. Someone could make a cartoon of him as a witch doctor trying to cook up some miracle government medical plan, and I don't think I'd think "That's racist." Maybe it's just me.re: #257 albusteve

re: #262 haakondahl

What? I said they're kooky. In my own post. The part about "being taken over by supremacists" and "makes me mortally worried". What more do you want? They're as nuts as ANSWER and MoveOn, if not more so.

Just what are you guys looking for? Mental conformity on all levels? There's so much you guys seem to think I need to prove before you'll stop antagonizing me for what you think I believe, or something.

Has anyone ever suggested to you, in the past, that you over think things?

294 SteveC  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:46:14pm

Late to the party, as always... just arrived at hotel in Durham NC to speak to Heart Defect symosium tomorrow.

Needless to say, the tea party movement is dead. It may live among those who are uninformed and the "any means neccisary" crowd, but for most of us, game over.

295 iceweasel  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:46:24pm

re: #292 freetoken

Wow... some just tried the "if our President was a white guy" argument on the original thread...

Late, and wrong as usual.

Oh jesus. No way. Really?

And btw-- legal pad too???

296 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:46:24pm

re: #286 ArmyWife

Do you also feel like those times at Thanksgiving when two loved family members are screaming to the point you fear potatoes may begin flying across the table and the only right thing to say is "more wine, anyone?"

I see one of those coming on this very Thanksgiving when the family gathers in San Antonio and I see my moonbat sister for the first time since she our dustup over her expecting me to pay for the health care she refuses to.

297 Wendya  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:46:32pm

Can't we all just get along?

//

298 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:46:35pm

re: #284 The False God

Whenever people start explaining the obvious as if it were profound, I smell a rat. This does not mean I disagree with the obvious.

299 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:46:59pm

Why was this racist picture posted twice at LGF?
Is it less offensive than the "N" word (which you'll never see here), so it could be posted, but still offensive enough to be condemned and the people that consided it not racist being condemned?

300 The False God  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:47:11pm

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

No, but I post an opinion, and then a million people jump on me asking me to clarify that opinion or I'm a racist, and then I clarify the opinion in depth, and they tell me I'm not brief enough and that I'm boring. I really don't know what I'm supposed to do, here. Do you want my opinion or not?

I need more coffee.

301 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:47:17pm

re: #295 iceweasel

Oh jesus. No way. Really?

And btw-- legal pad too???

Good evening Ice...How are you tonight?

302 vxbush  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:47:27pm

I'm coming in late (hazards of having to do things like, you know, eat), but here's a thunk:

If we were in a foreign country and someone told us, "Pointing at people is horrible; don't ever do it, as people take it as a huge insult," we would immediately try to change our behavior to fit the culture and the locale.

The fact that some people don't see the picture as racist to me means they don't understand that there are a larger variety of subcultures in America besides their own. There are people here who see this picture as a huge insult because it is. Just as I would never point at someone in a place where that is disrespectful, i would never forward such a picture that so clearly demeans our black culture.

303 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:47:42pm

re: #285 Walter L. Newton

Fine. I'm not trying to argue with you or put words in your mouth. I think we both are coming from a different direction, and I can say for myself, I don't understand you answers to my comments. I'm not trying to be snarky or nothing. I am totally confused about your comments, I don't understand them. I am not saying you are wrong, I just don't understand the point you are making.

Excuse me for being dumb.

You know, the above comment was an apology. I was admitting to not understanding your points and being confused, and yet, you down ding me. I was trying to let you know that I was totally not understanding what you were trying to say.

I was trying to stop the arguing.

That's cheap.

304 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:48:02pm

re: #297 Wendya

Can't we all just get along?

//

No- apparently having a conversation with someone now equates to pushing them into a corner and stalking them.

305 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:48:45pm

re: #286 ArmyWife

Do you also feel like those times at Thanksgiving when two loved family members are screaming to the point you fear potatoes may begin flying across the table and the only right thing to say is "more wine, anyone?"

ahhh!...that's funny...I've been there...oh my...oooff!

306 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:48:54pm

This is what we need right now...

Throw more brandy!

Ah, silly movies-- my balm, my tonic.

307 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:49:16pm

re: #293 Walter L. Newton

Has anyone ever suggested to you, in the past, that you over think things?

Uh, Walter, you know I love you and all, but POT: KETTLE.

308 Wendya  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:49:19pm

re: #304 Sharmuta

No- apparently having a conversation with someone now equates to pushing them into a corner and stalking them.

People are just a little bit on edge, lately.

309 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:49:42pm

Walter, Sharm:

Fer cryin' out loud, would you two just knock it off and GET A ROOM?

310 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:49:42pm

re: #288 realwest

Hey jcm - I just got an e-mail from a friend telling me that Iron Fist and Legalpad have been banned.
Is this true? Do you know what thread and what comments?

Fist this thread...

Legalpad on the last thread on the subject, the RP connection to the doctored picture doc (IIRC). The subject of the picture showing Obama as a witchdoctor has been brutal, Charles said he's whacked 30, mostly sleeper trolls.

See #2 for my opinion.

311 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:49:45pm

re: #268 haakondahl

Is the parenthetical quote a quotation from somewhere else? I certainly hope so.

Just my attempt at deconstructionism.

312 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:50:08pm

re: #308 Wendya

People are just a little bit on edge, lately.

I'm afraid to reply to anyone.

313 Macker  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:50:08pm

re: #308 Wendya

People are just a little bit on edge, lately.

I'd say it's because БХО is stoking the fires of Racism with his "stupidity" comment.

314 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:50:52pm

re: #299 IslandLibertarian

Why was this racist picture posted twice at LGF?
Is it less offensive than the "N" word (which you'll never see here), so it could be posted, but still offensive enough to be condemned and the people that consided it not racist being condemned?

Because you can say "N word" which conveys the full sense, but a picture takes, well, a thousand words, easy.

315 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:51:06pm

re: #304 Sharmuta

No- apparently having a conversation with someone now equates to pushing them into a corner and stalking them.


It's rather boring to stalk them once they're in the corner-- after all, how can they move?//

316 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:51:14pm

re: #286 ArmyWife

Do you also feel like those times at Thanksgiving when two loved family members are screaming to the point you fear potatoes may begin flying across the table and the only right thing to say is "more wine, anyone?"

I always always hoping the kids didn't notice the naked crazy Aunt at the table at Thanksgiving...:)

317 SteveC  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:51:16pm

re: #313 Macker

I'd say it's because БХО is stoking the fires of Racism with his "stupidity" comment.

Time will tell, but we have a potential winner right there!

318 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:51:21pm

re: #219 Sharmuta

Why would we want to keep racists?

Keep weeding them out.

319 jaunte  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:51:28pm

re: #299 IslandLibertarian

Why was this racist picture posted twice at LGF?
Is it less offensive than the "N" word (which you'll never see here), so it could be posted, but still offensive enough to be condemned and the people that consided it not racist being condemned?


Given all the defenses and minimizing that's going on, it's apparently necessary for a lot of people to learn what kind of racist imagery some others in our country find extremely objectionable. Maybe they don't know much about history, or they're just jerks. I appreciate that Charles is airing the subject.

320 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:51:40pm

re: #312 Sharmuta

I'm afraid to reply to anyone.

except me young lady...*wink*

321 vxbush  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:52:00pm

re: #314 haakondahl

Because you can say "N word" which conveys the full sense, but a picture takes, well, a thousand words, easy.

And also for potentially the same logic as the Mohammed cartoons? Not that they are the same, of course; but these things need to be shown and, in some cases, clearly rebuked.

322 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:52:23pm

re: #314 haakondahl

Because you can say "N word" which conveys the full sense, but a picture takes, well, a thousand words, easy.

or a link

323 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:52:41pm

re: #314 haakondahl

Just tell them to go read the earlier threads--this is just re-stoking the coals.

324 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:53:04pm

re: #311 Dar ul Harb

Just my attempt at deconstructionism.

So that's your summary of the link? Just trying to figure out what I'm looking at.

325 iceweasel  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:53:09pm

re: #301 HoosierHoops

Good evening Ice...How are you tonight?

Hi Hoops...really happy to see you.

I'm unhappy what's been going on here. Great post by you, btw, updinged you (of course!).

How are you?

326 callahan23  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:54:14pm

re: #288 realwest

Hey jcm - I just got an e-mail from a friend telling me that Iron Fist and Legalpad have been banned.
Is this true? Do you know what thread and what comments?

Hi Realwest, it is true plus yesterday saw the stick for nevergiveup. +

327 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:54:21pm

re: #303 Walter L. Newton

That's cheap.


So was this Walter.

Excuse me for being dumb.
328 vxbush  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:54:36pm

Argh. Just when I'm ready to sit down and get involved in the conversation, the son needs me.

Alas, I must go.

329 The False God  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:55:04pm

re: #321 vxbush

Well, it's a fair question for the Muhammed cartoons. Should we be arresting our own actions not to ever have an image representation of a historical figure who died a long time ago, just because people find it offensive? Is it wrong to find fault in people who are willing to go to violent means to "get back" at people who do this?

There's a point where respecting other cultures means we have to completely uproot the foundations of our own lives and history in order to appear "congenial" if we're going to do it.

A huge, huge topic of debate, though.

330 brookly red  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:55:17pm

re: #326 callahan23

Hi Realwest, it is true plus yesterday saw the stick for nevergiveup. +

SAY WHAT?

331 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:55:29pm

kewl muzak...chill

Youtube Video
332 callahan23  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:56:28pm

re: #326 callahan23

PIMF where did this friggin + come from, darn.

333 JacksonTn  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:56:32pm

A Song For You ... Leon ...

Youtube Video

Hope everyone has a great weekend ...

334 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:56:56pm

re: #309 victor_yugo

Walter, Sharm:

Fer cryin' out loud, would you two just knock it off and GET MARRIED ALREADYA ROOM?

FTFY

335 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:57:37pm

re: #334 VegasRick

I would kill myself first.

336 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:58:15pm

re: #326 callahan23

Hi Realwest, it is true plus yesterday saw the stick for nevergiveup. +

Sorry I missed it. I went round and round with that guy a few weeks ago.

337 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:58:22pm

re: #325 iceweasel

Hi Hoops...really happy to see you.

I'm unhappy what's been going on here. Great post by you, btw, updinged you (of course!).

How are you?

Doing wonderful.. I was teasing you earlier for the heck of it...just to have fun..Remember when I said I saw you on the Spanish Riviera..Got pictures...
I was teasing you...All the girls take off their tops there and we needed some fun...Hope tonight finds you well...
/Lucky you didn't bite on that one...I was in a fun mood...*wink*

338 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:58:38pm

re: #333 JacksonTn

maybe we can turn this vibe around eh?

339 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:58:47pm

re: #335 Sharmuta

I would kill myself first.

I'm sorry. Really.

340 1SG(ret)  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:59:22pm

re: #332 callahan23
Keyboard meet Callahan:
Callahan meet keyboard: +

341 The False God  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:59:37pm

re: #335 Sharmuta

Even if he sent you flowers?

342 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 4:59:45pm

re: #335 Sharmuta

I would kill myself first.

I forgot the sarc.
/You two acting like a married couple. Missed the mark.

343 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:00:04pm

Art Show Encourages People to Deface the Bible, Write Obscenities

A publicly funded exhibition is encouraging people to deface the Bible in the name of art — and visitors have responded with abuse and obscenity.

The show includes a video of a woman ripping pages from the Bible and stuffing them into her bra, knickers and mouth.

The open Bible is a central part of 'Made in God’s Image,' an exhibition at the Gallery of Modern Art in Glasgow. By the book is a container of pens and a notice saying: “If you feel you have been excluded from the Bible, please write your way back into it.”

/try that with the Koran, see what happens

344 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:00:27pm

re: #339 Walter L. Newton

I'm sorry. Really.

Thank you. I accept your apology.

345 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:00:32pm

gurlz...I dunno

346 iceweasel  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:00:36pm

re: #337 HoosierHoops

Doing wonderful.. I was teasing you earlier for the heck of it...just to have fun..Remember when I said I saw you on the Spanish Riviera..Got pictures...
I was teasing you...All the girls take off their tops there and we needed some fun...Hope tonight finds you well...
/Lucky you didn't bite on that one...I was in a fun mood...*wink*

hey sweetie!

i DID bite, but only in a fun place. :)

Said you were the ravishingly handsome man with me, of course. Hee. i promise I'd only bite in a way you'd like. :)

347 callahan23  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:01:00pm

re: #340 1SG(ret)

Keyboard meet Callahan:
Callahan meet keyboard: +

That surely is in the realm of possibilities. ;-)

348 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:01:20pm

re: #330 brookly red

SAY WHAT?

He was warned repeatedly to quit poking at someone, that Charles would stop this blog and leave him by the side of the road if he kept it up.

349 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:01:52pm

re: #326 callahan23

Hi Realwest, it is true plus yesterday saw the stick for nevergiveup. +

Dang, this subject is almost as brutal as creationism.

350 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:02:33pm

re: #349 jcm

Dang, this subject is almost as brutal as creationism.

Worse I think.

351 victor_yugo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:02:37pm

Sounds familiar:

Youtube Video
352 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:03:01pm

re: #265 calcajun

Cole Porter?

Those fingers in my hair,
That sly, come-hither stare,
That strips my conscience bare,
It's not Cole Porter.

353 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:03:14pm

re: #324 haakondahl

So that's your summary of the link? Just trying to figure out what I'm looking at.

I'm saying that a particular deconstructive analysis would find Harry Shearer's album cover racist, as well. But not to the same degree.

But I don't think you can reach the opposite conclusion, as I understood Fist to argue, that a "race neutral" perspective demands that you say neither is, to avoid some sort of a "double standard." That's just ignoring the underlying history.

354 callahan23  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:03:22pm

re: #349 jcm

Dang, this subject is almost as brutal as creationism.


It wasn't this subject, it was this: re: #348 CyanSnowHawk

He was warned repeatedly to quit poking at someone, that Charles would stop this blog and leave him by the side of the road if he kept it up.

355 drogheda  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:03:44pm

re: #343 Killian Bundy

Art Show Encourages People to Deface the Bible, Write Obscenities

/try that with the Koran, see what happens

/don't lose your head

356 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:03:54pm

re: #349 jcm

Dang, this subject is almost as brutal as creationism.

yeah but this one is entirely man made

357 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:04:05pm

re: #339 Walter L. Newton

I'm sorry. Really.

You all started out with a minor difference (major, depending on the context, but in this context minor), and crashed the plane.

Walter, sometimes you go long with the blowing hard, and Sharm, sometimes you put out more heat than light. But you're both good folks, and look around--good folks are in short supply.

Let's just say that the crowd will be pleased to see this argument go cold.

358 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:04:26pm

There is nothing intelligently designed about racists.

359 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:04:51pm

re: #344 Sharmuta

Thank you. I accept your apology.

Now will you two get a room and 'give us somethin' to talk about'?

360 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:04:56pm

re: #354 callahan23

Thx...

361 The False God  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:05:11pm

re: #358 Sharmuta

Wouldn't that be proof that there's no intelligent direction to our universe? That racists exist?

362 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:05:18pm

re: #354 callahan23

You are right on NGU. IronFist and LegalPad were banned on this thread earlier.

363 callahan23  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:05:29pm

re: #358 Sharmuta

There is nothing intelligently designed about racists.

Agreed 100%

364 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:05:37pm

re: #359 CyanSnowHawk

Now will you two get a room and 'give us somethin' to talk about'?

indeed...

Youtube Video
365 Wendya  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:06:27pm

re: #352 debutaunt

Those fingers in my hair,
That sly, come-hither stare,
That strips my conscience bare,
It's not Cole Porter.

Tell me, why should it be
you have the power to hypnotize me?
Let me live 'neath your spell,
Do do that voodoo
that you do so well.

Cole Porter.

366 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:06:37pm

re: #364 albusteve

indeed...


[Video]

I love that woman.

367 haakondahl  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:06:42pm

re: #353 Dar ul Harb

I'm saying that a particular deconstructive analysis would find Harry Shearer's album cover racist, as well. But not to the same degree.

But I don't think you can reach the opposite conclusion, as I understood Fist to argue, that a "race neutral" perspective demands that you say neither is, to avoid some sort of a "double standard." That's just ignoring the underlying history.

I suppose that it would help if I had a sliver of a clue what you were talking about. As you were.

368 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:07:40pm

re: #366 redstateredneck

I love that woman.

no shit...chick shred

Youtube Video
369 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:09:03pm

re: #346 iceweasel

hey sweetie!

i DID bite, but only in a fun place. :)

Said you were the ravishingly handsome man with me, of course. Hee. i promise I'd only bite in a way you'd like. :)

LOL
No back and check..I said you were with a handsome man.. I got pics to prove it...*wink*
Who is he?
I personally don't care where you live...Do people really care I live in the middle of vast swatches of Corn Fields?
Does it matter?

370 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:09:09pm

5pm here on the left coast. Pop, slurp, ahhh...

How you resist Islamization, oppose leftists and reject racists at the same time? Let Pat Condell show you how it's done...
Apologists for evil

Youtube Video

Posted in the spinoffs here (give it an upding)

371 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:09:29pm

OT - Kitteh Jong Il?

372 brookly red  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:09:31pm

re: #348 CyanSnowHawk

He was warned repeatedly to quit poking at someone, that Charles would stop this blog and leave him by the side of the road if he kept it up.

Awww, nutz.
Do you think the management would consider 30 day suspensions?
Guess not huh?

373 Kragar  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:09:35pm

Back home from dropping off the kids, 9 days with no scammpering youts

374 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:09:52pm

re: #368 albusteve

no shit...chick shred


[Video]

In my mind, she and I sound really good singing together.
;-)

"he's my pride and joy"


mmm-hmmm..

375 Killian Bundy  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:09:53pm

Black Caucus Members Agree With President Obama's Criticism of Cambridge Police, Call Harvard Professor’s Arrest ‘Racial Profiling’

/and with a name like the Congressional Black Caucus, they know racial profiling

376 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:10:24pm

re: #353 Dar ul Harb

Just because "Bush as a 'Bushman' with a bone through his nose" (or pick a depiction of Condi Rice, etc) is apparently humorous and acceptable to certain of his political opponents doesn't make "Obama witch doctor" acceptable too.

Sorry, Fist.

377 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:10:28pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

ahhh fresh air...thanks for that

378 Macker  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:10:58pm

re: #375 Killian Bundy

Figures.

379 freetoken  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:11:02pm

Since someone already brought up creationism:

Expelled redux? Creationists Misrepresent Historians

Three historians of science are unhappy about their treatment in a creationist movie about Darwin, as they explain in a note in the July 2009 Newsletter of the History of Science Society. Peter Bowler, Janet Browne, and Sandra Herbert write, "We have recently been featured in a documentary film, 'The Voyage that Shook the World,' produced by Fathom Media of Australia and directed by Stephen Murray of Synergy Films, New Zealand. We were led to believe that the movie was being made to be shown as an educational film on Australian broadcast television and possibly elsewhere. Fathom Media was revealed to be a subsidiary of Creation Ministries International when publicity for the movie began to appear on the internet.
[...]


/Truthfulness? We don't need no stinkin' truthfulness...

380 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:11:13pm

re: #375 Killian Bundy

Black Caucus Members Agree With President Obama's Criticism of Cambridge Police, Call Harvard Professor’s Arrest ‘Racial Profiling’

/and with a name like the Congressional Black Caucus, they know racial profiling

Obama has really screwed up with this one. It ain't goin' away.

381 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:12:18pm

re: #352 debutaunt

At words poetic, I'm so pathetic
That I always have found it best,
Instead of getting 'em off my chest,
To let 'em rest unexpressed,
I hate parading my serenading
As I'll probably miss a bar,
But if this ditty is not so pretty
At least it'll tell you
How great you are.

You're the top!
You're the Coliseum.
You're the top!
You're the Louver Museum.
You're a melody from a symphony by Strauss
You're a Bendel bonnet,
A Shakespeare's sonnet,
You're Mickey Mouse.
You're the Nile,
You're the Tower of Pisa,
You're the smile on the Mona Lisa
I'm a worthless check, a total wreck, a flop,
But if, baby, I'm the bottom you're the top!

Your words poetic are not pathetic.
On the other hand, babe, you shine,
And I can feel after every line
A thrill divine
Down my spine.
Now gifted humans like Vincent Youmans
Might think that your song is bad,
But I got a notion
I'll second the motion
And this is what I'm going to add;

You're the top!
You're Mahatma Gandhi.
You're the top!
You're Napoleon Brandy.
You're the purple light
Of a summer night in Spain,
You're the National Gallery
You're Garbo's salary,
You're cellophane.
You're sublime,
You're turkey dinner,
You're the time, the time of a Derby winner
I'm a toy balloon that’s fated soon to pop
But if, baby, I'm the bottom,
You're the top!

You're the top!
You're an arrow collar
You're the top!
You're a Coolidge dollar,
You're the nimble tread
Of the feet of Fred Astaire,
You're an O'Neill drama,

You're Whistler's mama!

You're camembert.

You're a rose,
You're Inferno's Dante,

You're the nose
On the great Durante.
I'm just in a way,
As the French would say, "de trop".
But if, baby, I'm the bottom,
You're the top!

You're the top!
You're a dance in Bali.
You're the top!
You're a hot tamale.
You're an angel, you,
Simply too, too, too diveen,
You're a Boticcelli,
You're Keats,
You're Shelly!

You're Ovaltine!
You're a boom,
You're the dam at Boulder,
You're the moon,
Over Mae West's shoulder,
I'm the nominee of the G.O.P.

Or GOP!

But if, baby, I'm the bottom,
You're the top!

You're the top!
You're a Waldorf salad.
You're the top!
You're a Berlin ballad.
You're the boats that glide
On the sleepy Zuider Zee,
You're an old Dutch master,

You're Lady Astor,
You're broccoli!
You're romance,
You're the steppes of Russia,
You're the pants, on a Roxy usher,
I'm a broken doll, a fol-de-rol, a blop,

But if, baby, I'm the bottom,
You're the top!

382 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:12:27pm

re: #377 albusteve

It's one of his best rants yet. Although I disagree with his premise of banning the burka in general he's making the right argument and doing it in the right way. Very rare.
I'm also continually amazed that his rants are all in one take. No edits.

383 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:12:37pm

re: #372 brookly red

Awww, nutz.
Do you think the management would consider 30 day suspensions?
Guess not huh?

That is up to management and the offending party, and probably best not discussed by us.

384 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:13:23pm

re: #380 redstateredneck

Obama has really screwed up with this one. It ain't goin' away.

Levin just made an interesting observation.

No one at the scene, cops, bystanders, neighbors has supported Gates version.

385 theheat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:14:29pm

These are world class pieces of shit, with their join-in on the tasteless 'toons from the left, and a manifesto on how to field complaints about what they knew (the infamous witch doctor) would be perceived as racism.

Ok I had not seen the picture before and it reminded me of all the hellish depictions of our former Preisdent, the legitimate one.

It's a racist, anti-vaxxer, nirther, freak show. The only sincere thing about them is how out and out shitty they are, right to the core. If they think this is helping the debate about Obama's health care, they're truly delusional.

No party needs these people; the right, center, or the left.

386 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:15:25pm

Shit another long term Lizard got the stick. Fist and Never calm down and get a hold of Charles to apologize. You both are well like here, by a lot of us.

387 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:16:25pm

re: #384 jcm

Levin just made an interesting observation.

No one at the scene, cops, bystanders, neighbors has supported Gates version.

I heard that they may have audio of the encounter. Whatever...the O knew NOTHING about the case and should not have commented on it. His presser today did not help him any. He didn't apologize. Bill Kristol had an interesting observation that Obama's motives were more class based than racially based in his defense of Gates. Harvard professor and all. It's not like he came out for some dude from the 'hood.

388 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:18:17pm

re: #387 redstateredneck

I heard that they may have audio of the encounter. Whatever...the O knew NOTHING about the case and should not have commented on it. His presser today did not help him any. He didn't apologize. Bill Kristol had an interesting observation that Obama's motives were more class based than racially based in his defense of Gates. Harvard professor and all. It's not like he came out for some dude from the 'hood.

From what I gather, as soon as Gates escalated, Sgt. Crowley went to open mic to have the audio record.

389 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:18:23pm

re: #386 Erik The Red

Shit another long term Lizard got the stick. Fist and Never calm down and get a hold of Charles to apologize. You both are well like here, by a lot of us.

Iron Fist goes waaay back.

390 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:18:51pm

re: #388 jcm

From what I gather, as soon as Gates escalated, Sgt. Crowley went to open mic to have the audio record.

Prudent.

391 callahan23  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:20:50pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

Thanks for reminding me of Pat.

392 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:21:40pm

re: #370 Killgore Trout

holy SHIT!...he really goes off...brilliant, his best ever that I've heard...get some Pat!

393 philip  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:22:27pm

The toleration and even encouragement of racism, homophobia and nativism are reasons I haven't been a Republican -- or a "conservative," whatever that means anymore -- for the last several years. The movement got lost after 9/11, IMHO.

394 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:23:19pm

re: #386 Erik The Red

Shit another long term Lizard got the stick. Fist and Never calm down and get a hold of Charles to apologize. You both are well like here, by a lot of us.

let it go...move on

395 albusteve  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:24:29pm

re: #393 philip

The toleration and even encouragement of racism, homophobia and nativism are reasons I haven't been a Republican -- or a "conservative," whatever that means anymore -- for the last several years. The movement got lost after 9/11, IMHO.

if you doubt your conservatism, you were never one to begin with...good luck in your ideological search

396 freetoken  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:26:28pm

re: #386 Erik The Red

IF has a long history here. I like many others were uncomfortable at times with his obsession over weapons and his allusions to their use. I am surprised a permanent ban hadn't come earlier.

397 jcm  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:26:53pm

re: #390 redstateredneck

Prudent.

If that's what the Sgt. did, it goes to his credibility. The Sgt. would know he had an audio record and his public statements would be made with the knowledge he had done that. He knows any statements that he made could be proven false or corroborated by the recording.

398 JHW  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:27:43pm

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch earlier this year ran this article, Cartoon of Obama in Russian Ice Cream Ad , along with readers' comments and a depiction of the ad itself. I see it as far less offensive than the photo-shop picture, but people instantly recognized its racist overtones when it came from a foreign source. It is inevitable, I think, that some of the nations and movements that are less than friendly to the USA are going to use Obama's race in a demeaning way in propaganda, and I doubt very much that the people defending the photo-shop as innocent are going to be singing the same tune when they see this kind of crap coming from the Taliban, Al Quaida or a neo-Stalinist Russia.

399 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:30:09pm

re: #396 freetoken

IF has a long history here. I like many others were uncomfortable at times with his obsession over weapons and his allusions to their use. I am surprised a permanent ban hadn't come earlier.

Weapons and gun talk have long been a favorite off topic topics on LGF. Every thread eventually goes to guns or boobs.

400 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:30:27pm
401 calcajun  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:32:32pm

re: #400 PuritanicalRightWingNutjob

Another episode of "Rex Kramer--Danger Seeker!"

402 theheat  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:32:58pm

re: #400 PuritanicalRightWingNutjob

while I understand your concerns about keeping the nutters from making us look bad, a bit of low-level low-brow humor is best ignored, rather than amplified.

What about the environment at LGF makes you think it's okay to give this stuff a pass or ignore it?

403 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:33:49pm

Unbelievable.

404 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:35:16pm

Well, he prophesied that his post might get him banned.

405 Jack Burton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:36:07pm

re: #401 calcajun

Another episode of "Rex Kramer--Danger Seeker!"

Upding and a Fist Full of Yen for the KFM reference.

406 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:37:15pm

re: #405 ArchangelMichael

Upding and a Fist Full of Yen for the KFM reference.

Y'all are over my head on this one.

407 Jack Burton  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:39:30pm

re: #406 redstateredneck

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

408 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:39:56pm

I believe this thread has about had it.
Later, lizards.
Have a good weekend, {all y'all}

409 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:41:24pm

re: #407 ArchangelMichael

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Thanks. oh, okay. Those movies just never really appealed to me for some reason.
I'm gone now.

410 zuckerlilly  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:56:45pm

re: #253 Dar ul Harb

You miss the point: the real racism here is that H. Shearer abuses a whole ethnicity/people to express his hatred against Bush: the real Bushmen.
During the Bush presidency the opposition has crossed every line to defame president Bush and his administration. Now Pandora's box is open.

411 blangwort  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 5:59:44pm

re: #18 jcm

And in general, I think the Republican Party is marginally less loony than the Democrat Party. But only marginally.

412 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:00:14pm

So. Iron Fist is banned.

Ok.

It's Charles' house and Charles' rules. No question, no quibbles.

But I have something to say about my friend. And before I say it, I should be clear that I am old enough to be his mother.

He is a man in every good sense of the word. There is no bullshit about him. I see what he has posted about that pic of Obama. It speaks to two things about him - he is WAY more knowledgeable about asian societies that most anyone here - and he is loathe to think the worst of people.

As for the 'stabbing, shooting, killing' remarks from Charles at #154 that I think referred to Iron Fist -

There haven't been very many posts on the subject but we have had a few conversations about 'chicks with guns' (I'm one of them, btw). They've always been in the context of having the capability of killing a mortal threat.

IF is one of the best people I have known. He is gentle. But he absolutely does not think violence in the service of the good is wrong. I'm with him on that. And he prepares himself in the event.

As a woman - and as I said in the beginning I'm old enough to be his mother - I find him a good and fine man. Not without faults, none of us is.

I remain honored to hold him as my friend.

413 freetoken  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:08:38pm

re: #412 wahabicorridor

He is a man in every good sense of the word. There is no bullshit about him.

So I take it you missed the part in the Friday night lounge where Charles mentioned he had tracked 7 sock puppets to Iron Fist.

"no bullshit"... yeah, right.

414 zuckerlilly  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:09:33pm

The original picture:

Shamanic Origins of Massage

415 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:20:15pm

re: #412 wahabicorridor

...he is WAY more knowledgeable about asian societies that most anyone here

I don't think Iron Fist knows "WAY" more about Asian societies than anyone here. The man in the original photo-shopped picture is not Asian, he's a Huli tribesman from Papa New Guinea, which is not part of Asia...Papa New Guinea
lies off the northern coast of Australia.

Besides which, it makes no difference if the picture originates in New Guinea, Africa or in Kansas, it's still a racist image.

416 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:20:52pm

re: #413 freetoken

So I take it you missed the part in the Friday night lounge where Charles mentioned he had tracked 7 sock puppets to Iron Fist.

"no bullshit"... yeah, right.

I don't recall ever having been to the lounge - so no, I didn't see it.

But I know the man personally. And I will vouch for him.

417 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:21:41pm

re: #415 Ringo the Gringo

Besides which, it makes no difference if the picture originates in New Guinea, Africa or in Kansas, it's still a racist image.

No argument.

418 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:27:28pm

re: #412 wahabicorridor

I appreciate your defense of a friend. But if I were to post some of the comments I've deleted, I think you might start to see why I made that comment.

419 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:29:32pm

re: #415 Ringo the Gringo

In case you didn't see my take on that POS pic: here

I've spent a bit of time thinking about this.

I have no insight into McKalip's intent or into the moron that thought the photoshop was a good idea.

Is it racist, is it from the right, blah blah blah.

Here, IMHO, is what it comes down to for me.

It dehumanizes Barack Obama.

I despise the man's policies. I think he is a liar and a stealth president and all the rest. If that man gave a speech that assured me the sun rises in the east, the very least I would do would be to get up early in the morning and double-check.

This photo made another human being an object of ridicule. Not his policies. Him.

So, when push comes to shove, how lame is this really? How involved in your own cleverness do you have to be to completely ignore the substance of the policies and denigrate the humanity of Barack Obama.

Because whether the intent was racial or not - the impetus was dehumanization. And it was dehumanization in the most repugnant of memes. The meme of the primitive

We've seen this before.

In the cause of human health care no less.

Where the fuck do I hurl?

What an absolute crock

420 RalphShort  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:36:08pm

Amy Kremer seems like a good citizen to me. I wish her the best in the tea party movement.

421 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 6:39:12pm

re: #418 Charles

I appreciate your defense of a friend. But if I were to post some of the comments I've deleted, I think you might start to see why I made that comment.

Thank you Charles.

I'm in the process of TRYING to talk to him now (as you know, he's in 'the romance stage' and is a bit distracted - the cell phone # Ihave is for his fiance and I'm NOT getting thru)

One of the things I think is a barrier in communication/understanding is that because I know him personally, I can 'hear' his voice - and it probably doesn't 'sound' the same as it does in text. I always 'hear' him when I read his posts and I know just what he means.

As for the posts you deleted, I didn't see them (you must be exhausted from that thread - lordy, you had to move fast!)

But, the bottom line is this is your house and your rules. I respect that. End of conversation. I will not abuse your bandwidth or your hospitality more than I have about this. Thank you for understanding. He really is a good guy.

422 funky chicken  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 7:29:03pm

re: #410 zuckerlilly

You miss the point: the real racism here is that H. Shearer abuses a whole ethnicity/people to express his hatred against Bush: the real Bushmen.
During the Bush presidency the opposition has crossed every line to defame president Bush and his administration. Now Pandora's box is open.

only for the unhinged. in a way, it's a good thing, I guess, because the loons have really come out of the woodwork.

423 Jimmah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 7:34:49pm

To melt down and gat yourself banned over such a tatty pie=ce of obvious racist drivel...

424 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 7:38:14pm

re: #410 zuckerlilly

You miss the point: the real racism here is that H. Shearer abuses a whole ethnicity/people to express his hatred against Bush: the real Bushmen.
During the Bush presidency the opposition has crossed every line to defame president Bush and his administration. Now Pandora's box is open.

I didn't miss that point. That was the point. We don't need to get down in the gutter like the BDS crowd did. Whatever message "Obama witch doctor" was intended to send is about as effective as the idiots who were making up their "Bu$hitler" stuff, and easily as offensive.

425 JEA62  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 7:50:19pm

You know, I remember few months back, some to-do 'bout a DHS report saying how some right wing crazies might get violent. Starting to sound less ridiculous these days.

426 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 8:53:21pm

re: #418 Charles

I appreciate your defense of a friend. But if I were to post some of the comments I've deleted, I think you might start to see why I made that comment.

Still, I would ask you to let him back after a time, provided he repents of his foolish stand on this topic.

427 Jimmah  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 9:06:48pm

I'm not giving advice DF - but, if he stays banned it's not for one foolish statement made on one occasion on one topic - far from it.

428 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:16:59pm

re: #302 vxbush

I'm coming in late (hazards of having to do things like, you know, eat), but here's a thunk:

If we were in a foreign country and someone told us, "Pointing at people is horrible; don't ever do it, as people take it as a huge insult," we would immediately try to change our behavior to fit the culture and the locale.

The fact that some people don't see the picture as racist to me means they don't understand that there are a larger variety of subcultures in America besides their own. There are people here who see this picture as a huge insult because it is. Just as I would never point at someone in a place where that is disrespectful, i would never forward such a picture that so clearly demeans our black culture.

Sadly, a lot of people see modifying their behavior to be polite as a betrayal of their imagined right--nay, obligation--to do any damn thing they feel like.

429 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 24, 2009 10:18:54pm

re: #316 HoosierHoops

I always always hoping the kids didn't notice the naked crazy Aunt at the table at Thanksgiving...:)

Best Thanksgiving table exchange in my family, ever:

Cousin, whispering loudly: "MOM! Grandpa's a bigot!"

Aunt, speaking in a normal tone: "Yes dear. He is. Did I forget to tell you that?"

430 centaur  Sat, Jul 25, 2009 3:40:29am

A photoshop of Obama in exaggerated western garb peddling snake oil from the back of a covered wagon would have been better.

431 HK_USP_45  Sat, Jul 25, 2009 7:36:19am

I'm a proud conservative and I am fully behind the Tea Party movement and what it stands for -- anti-taxes. HOWEVER, I cannot stand F'ing racists. I agree with the person who said to get the F out of our party. When pics and crap like that are circulated, it makes us all look bad, and I do not want to be lumped in the same category as racist a-holes.

432 salt1907  Sat, Jul 25, 2009 12:50:48pm

I haven't read the other comments (there are over 400 of them) and I am not familiar with every nuance of this story, but I remember something from the 1980 Presidential debates. Ronald Reagan compared Jimmy Carter to a "witch doctor" with regard to the economy. In this case, I understand that the photo relates directly to the health care "debate." Why should Obama be immune from a similar attack that Reagan made against Carter. Does Obama's skin color make him immune from this type of analogy? Should Carter have been immune? Was Reagan wrong to use the analogy? Of course, Reagan didn't have "photoshop."

433 Salamantis  Sat, Jul 25, 2009 2:22:43pm

I can't help but wonder if Iron Fist was breaking his own Rule:

"If you think you might be getting too drunk to post, you are ALREADY too drunk to post."

434 savarulz  Sat, Jul 25, 2009 8:44:58pm

re: #431 HK_USP_45 I agree with you 150%. We need to take the high road and hit them where it hurts. Not photo shopping to be labeled a racist. Just by disagreeing with Obama we are labeled that. I will not tolerate anyone calling them self a conservative but then make fun of Obama's race. If we are to reach out to the black community then we do not need idiots like them. If she is going to be a tea- par tier then maybe Garofalo was right. Let's leave that up to the liberals. Thank you Charles for digging this out.


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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
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