That'd be a great reason to develop time travel.

/

I got Nirthin'.

The 'nirthers are starting to claim that their is a conspiracy, led out of the WH, to quiet/block 'nirtherism.

Besides the CNN pressure, they are now claiming that Google is suppressing links (e.g., to WND.)

pimf "there"

This is the best comment on this subject I've seen made off of this but thus far:

McCain Lawyers Investigated Obama Citizenship

Said Potter: "To the extent that we could, we looked into the substantive side of these allegations. We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States. We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else. On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii. There was a certificate issued by the state's Department of Health, and the responsible official in the state saying that he had personally seen the original certificate. There was a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be very difficult to invent or plant 47 years in advance."

via Drudge

Everyone -

Pres. Obama is American by birth - In Attitude and Policy - Not So Much.

-S-

I think it's a wise editorial choice. They have to protect their reputation as a news network (as imperfect as it is).

re: #6 Dr. Shalit

Spot on.

All the real problems which are out there due to Obama being POTUS and this is the best they can keep coming up with.

re: #5 ArmyWife

This is the best comment on this subject I've seen made off of this but thus far:

What that translates too:

This is the best comment on this subject I've seen made off of this board thus far:

re: #10 ArmyWife

This is the best comment on this subject I've seen made off of this but thus far:

What that translates too:

This is the best comment on this subject I've seen made off of this board thus far:

Good one!
/

Worse still, there comes a point were the conspiracy-believer sees all attempts to dissuade him from believing the conspiracy as validation for his suspicion that there is a conspiracy at work.

Wish more people would use the brain God gave them and think before they speak.

re: #12 Syrah

Worse still, there comes a point were the conspiracy-believer sees all attempts to dissuade him from believing the conspiracy as validation for his suspicion that there is a conspiracy at work.

/well this is CNN we are talking about...

Kookspiracy theorists can't let go because of the psychological bond with their theory. They think "being in the know" makes them special, superior. They get it, you don't. Let go of the conspiracy, and they let go of their specialness.

If Barack Obama came out and showed pictures of him emerging from the womb, with a doctor standing nearby holding a 1961 Honolulu Advertiser newspaper, they’d still find a way to deny it.

Did they have Photoshop in 1961?

After all, they had Microsoft Word in the early 1970's.

/

Klein asked CNN researchers to dig into the question of why Obama couldn’t produce the original birth certificate. The researchers contacted the Hawaii Health Dept. and confirmed that paper documents were discarded in 2001 when the department went paperless. That reportedly includes Pres. Obama’s original birth certificate.

Good grief, how easy was that to find out?

The Certificate of Live Birth that Obama has is the official documentation of birth that is acceptable everywhere. I know. . . I have the Louisiana version because I could not locate my original one when I applied for a passport.

good grief!

For the record, this will NOT make me watch CNN. They still stink. So there.

Got a little quiet.

Rachel Maddow had a good comment about nirthers, and specifically Dobbs this week:

The home run for conspiracists of any stripe is when their ideas can leave the lunatic fringe and enter the mainstream.

Thanks CNN and Dobbs for helping that to happen./

re: #14 brookly red

/well this is CNN we are talking about...

_{Shhh . . . they might be listening. . . . you never know. . .}

From WorldNutDaily:

WND Editor Joseph Farah will be on Michael Savage's radio program today to reveal what he calls "a broad pattern of Internet search engine censorship" that began today by Google, Bing and others blocking WND's extensive coverage of questions surrounding Barack Obama's eligibility for office [...]

re: #5 ArmyWife

Proof enough for anyone that isn't crazy, I guess.

Too many crazies. Not enough cluebats.

re: #21 Syrah

_{Shhh . . . they might be listening. . . . you never know. . .}

F em

re: #16 victor_yugo

Did they have Photoshop in 1961?

After all, they had Microsoft Word in the early 1970's.

/

Yeah but only the Texas ANG had access to it.

/

Meanwhile, over at Fox...
Video: Glenn Beck wearing lederhosen now for some reason

Wyatt Earp has the top comment tonight..
He deserves it... I am very proud to be with you on the Board Wyatt..You Philly Cop stud!

Charles is right that this isn't going away.

This nirther madness has leaped into the mainstream now. CNN's Dobbs is only the most recent. Rush mentioned it this week. Fox has been pimping it. And ten congresspersons are co-sponsering some nirther legislation now. It's no longer just some scattered freaks and WND.

re: #27 HoosierHoops

Wyatt Earp has the top comment tonight..
He deserves it... I am very proud to be with you on the Board Wyatt..You Philly Cop stud!

Thanks 2H. I missed that and just added another one.

He's an American, but doesn't seem to give much of a shit for America.

re: #20 iceweasel

Rachel Maddow had a good comment about nirthers, and specifically Dobbs this week:

The home run for conspiracists of any stripe is when their ideas can leave the lunatic fringe and enter the mainstream.

Thanks CNN and Dobbs for helping that to happen./

They were the first, eh? Bush stole teh election, you know.

/

re: #28 iceweasel

Charles is right that this isn't going away.

This nirther madness has leaped into the mainstream now. CNN's Dobbs is only the most recent. Rush mentioned it this week. Fox has been pimping it. And ten congresspersons are co-sponsering some nirther legislation now. It's no longer just some scattered freaks and WND.

it's all about numbers...$$$...I'm very cynical toward the MSM, in fact I hate them all with a passion

re: #30 1SG(ret)

That may be true, but instead of focusing on crazy stuff, people should be focusing on that as the message.

Is what I think is the main issue here.

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Fashion magnet.

re: #31 OldLineTexan

They were the first, eh? Bush stole teh election, you know.

/

the nirth of BDS

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Meanwhile, over at Fox...
Glenn Beck wearing lederhosen now for some reason

re: #33 The False God

That is my issue, that's why I typed it! ;-)

re: #34 freetoken

Fashion magnet.

Well, if we're referring to the magnet's capacity to repel, as well as to attract...yes indeed!

(going to have nightmares over this)

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Meanwhile, over at Fox...
Video: Glenn Beck wearing lederhosen now for some reason

good grief...and he makes millions, billions even

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Meanwhile, over at Fox...
Video: Glenn Beck wearing lederhosen now for some reason

He's hot for Bruno.

re: #28 iceweasel

Charles is right that this isn't going away.

This nirther madness has leaped into the mainstream now. CNN's Dobbs is only the most recent. Rush mentioned it this week. Fox has been pimping it. And ten congresspersons are co-sponsering some nirther legislation now. It's no longer just some scattered freaks and WND.

These nirthers are all billy o' about it all the time.

another one.

Gone.

Why is it so hard to back down?

I don't get it.

Time for Babushka to sign off. See you tomorrow night!

Time to move on...

Obama is really Eros!

///

Hey I make as much sense as a nirther!

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Meanwhile, over at Fox...
Video: Glenn Beck wearing lederhosen now for some reason

OK. Now that's another messed up image I didn't need in my head.

This is the new hope of the right wing.

re: #39 albusteve

good grief...and he makes millions, billions even

So? Have you priced decent lederhosen lately?

re: #37 1SG(ret)

And what a brilliant and lively thought it was.

If people have a problem with Obama, they should be attacking his policies and lack of character, rather than some dubious and insane technicality.

This is the stupidest tack conservatives are taking. It will make it easy for the MSM to deligitimize anyone who has promoted it.

re: #42 Syrah

another one.

Gone.

Why is it so hard to back down?

I don't get it.

Where is the terms of service? What gets you kicked off?

I think I'm gonna go find the ghosts of Henry Hudson's crew and have a few drinks with em. Maybe when I wake up in about 20 years the country will be out of this hellhole.

The Nirther craziness has less to go on than the CBS 'fake but true' memos. It takes a real intentional blindness to split those two points.

re: #46 OldLineTexan

So? Have you priced decent lederhosen lately?

get the fuck outa here...yes, synthetic seems to be the best value, it launders well

They keep coming downstairs...

/McKalip - the gift that keeps giving...

re: #38 iceweasel

Well, if we're referring to the magnet's capacity to repel, as well as to attract...yes indeed!

(going to have nightmares over this)

If that magnet repels you, that means you and Glenn are the same Pole.

/

re: #49 BlueRoses

Where is the terms of service? What gets you kicked off?

Its posted at the top of every comment thread.

It is pretty easy to follow.

Pretty much its "just don't be an asshole."

Some people seem to have difficulty with that.

re: #45 Charles

yeah-- other blond and blue-eyed folks wore the same get up 70 years ago. Fashions and politics have not changed.

re: #55 Syrah

Its posted at the top of every comment thread.

It is pretty easy to follow.

Pretty much its "just don't be an asshole."

Some people seem to have difficulty with that.

THANKS :)

re: #52 albusteve

get the fuck outa here...yes, synthetic seems to be the best value, it launders well

Nice pair o'lederhosen will set you back a pretty pfennig, I tell you what.

re: #40 Alouette

He's hot for Bruno.

I gave it a thumbs down.

re: #55 Syrah

Its posted at the top of every comment thread.

It is pretty easy to follow.

Pretty much its "just don't be an asshole."

Some people seem to have difficulty with that.

Others are REALLY good at it.

/

re: #49 BlueRoses

Where is the terms of service? What gets you kicked off?

read the rules...you owe LGF that much

re: #55 Syrah

Its posted at the top of every comment thread.

It is pretty easy to follow.

Pretty much its "just don't be an asshole."

Some people seem to have difficulty with that.

If it were as simple as that, we'd probably all be gone. ; )

re: #60 OldLineTexan

The trick in life is knowing when and where it is appropriate.

re: #58 OldLineTexan

Nice pair o'lederhosen vill set you back a pretty pfennig, I tell you vaht.

FTFY

re: #49 BlueRoses

Where is the terms of service? What gets you kicked off?

Read the information at the top of this thread.

re: #58 OldLineTexan

Nice pair o'lederhosen will set you back a pretty pfennig, I tell you what.

but if you only wear them for OktoberFest, they last through several seasons

re: #61 albusteve

read the rules...you owe LGF that much

Ok just spent 20 minutes looking for them which is why I asked.

Charles that was pretty funny writing on the birthers

re: #52 albusteve

get the fuck outa here...yes, synthetic seems to be the best value, it launders well

Naugahosen.

re: #67 BlueRoses

Ok just spent 20 minutes looking for them which is why I asked.

surf and ye shall find them

re: #70 albusteve

surf and ye shall find them

And set yee free. Yada Yada Yada :)

Serious question here. Haven't watched CNN in years, so when did Lou Dobbs go right wing.

re: #69 haakondahl

Naugahosen.

oh man...

re: #71 BlueRoses

And set yee free. Yada Yada Yada :)

Like I suggested, the basic rules are at the top of this page.

re: #67 BlueRoses

Ok just spent 20 minutes looking for them which is why I asked.

In the green box just under the Charles' post at the top

re: #58 OldLineTexan

Nice pair o'lederhosen will set you back a pretty pfennig, I tell you what.

Lederhosen, that's must mean he is a Nazi.
/

re: #71 BlueRoses

The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret. -- Terry Pratchett

re: #62 capitalist piglet

If it were as simple as that, we'd probably all be gone. ; )

/personally, I hide behind the sarc tag...

re: #74 Walter L. Newton

Like I suggested, the basic rules are at the top of this page.

only when reg is open...otherwise you need to do a Lizard Mind Meld...$60

re: #74 Walter L. Newton

Like I suggested, the basic rules are at the top of this page.

At the top of the page I am looking at is nothing. No matter I will find it eventually.

re: #49 BlueRoses

Where is the terms of service? What gets you kicked off?

Biggest reason?

Not taking a hint.

A few things will get you gone without a discussion. Expressly advocating the murder of an individual, the desire to commit genocide especially with thermonuclear weapons. Or insulting our host. Remember this Charles' house, it is not a soap box in Central Park. If Charles asks you cease and desist don't argue, it's his house, his reputation.

That said reasoned factual arguments are welcome, however as we've just seen it's hard to reason in favor of racism.

Other than that, most things you'll get a hint first from long time lizards, then by Charles.

To find out about a lizard click the avatar, old ones with lots of karma and lots of comments you should pay attention to.

Avoid the personal, keep the arguments on issue and rely on facts and logic.

It's lot's of fun in here, relax and enjoy.

re: #62 capitalist piglet

Well, I know that I have pushed the limit myself a few times. Point taken.

I would like to think that when I am up against the banning stick with all the warnings today's fallen had been given, that I would back off, remember my good manors, and quit being a twit while I was still in the game.

OT

Joe and BO

re: #69 haakondahl

Naugahosen.

thats like instant grits.

re: #80 BlueRoses

At the top of the page I am looking at is nothing. No matter I will find it eventually.

Find the article that Charles posted.
Look under it, find the large green box.
At top of the green box,it will say how many comments have been posted.
Just below that are the rules.

re: #72 1SG(ret)

Serious question here. Haven't watched CNN in years, so when did Lou Dobbs go right wing.

I haven't watched them in years either, but I do know that Dobbs was creepily sympathetic to militias and to anti-immigration groups (I mean the racist sort of anti-immigration groups) for a few years now. Go here and do a search on him; I know they've been tracking him for a while.

[Link: dneiwert.blogspot.com...]

re: #80 BlueRoses

At the top of the page I am looking at is nothing. No matter I will find it eventually.

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re: #81 jcm

you forgot fasten your seat belt and strap on your helmet.

re: #85 reine.de.tout

Find the article that Charles posted.
Look under it, find the large green box.
At top of the green box,it will say how many comments have been posted.
Just below that are the rules.

shit...I never noticed...don't use a magnifying glass...my bad

re: #89 albusteve

shit...I never noticed...don't use a magnifying glass...my bad

You're kidding,right?

re: #88 ArmyWife

you forgot fasten your seat belt and strap on your helmet.

Awww, I like the wind in my hair and feelin' free!

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Thanks Newton I have seen that:) Just didn't know that was it :)

re: #92 BlueRoses

Thanks Newton I have seen that:) Just didn't know that was it :)

Well, they are rules, not suggestions.

re: #92 BlueRoses

privilege, not a right are the concepts people tend to confuse.

Thanks to all :) Goodnight :)

Uh-oh. It seems that CNN's Klein has now backtracked, after a fashion:

Asked if CNN is concerned that Dobbs’ repeated granting of airtime to theories the network has conclusively debunked amounts to overkill and could harm CNN’s credibility, Klein brushed off the possibility. “We respect our viewers enough to present them the facts and let them make up their own minds,” he said, adding that what Dobbs does is “his editorial decision to make.”

re: #96 ShanghaiEd

That either means Dobbs got off with a warning, or Dobbs has photos or footage of Klein in full drag, or something else scandalous, and just tipped his hand.

Happy birthday John Babcock, I hope no-one demands to see your birth certificate.
July 21 Canada's Last WW1 Veteran Turns 108
He also served in the US Army and now lives in Spokane WA.

The whole Nirther story really just reinforces my belief in P.T. Barnum's universe.

This is proof of left wing media bias.

/s

The entire statement about "going paperless" is pure BS. The only way you go paperless is when you have completely copied all of the details. The "live birth certificate" presented by Obama does not show the details. Also, his lawyers fought this whole issue during the campaign. If there was not a more informational copy then why did he oppose the release or hire lawyers to oppose it.

I don't know what he is hiding, but he is not being truthful and transparent. It is as simple as that. People here, or elsewhere, can make fun of the people who are skeptical but that does not change the facts.

anybody know who this character "loaded dice" is? It's down-dinging several thread, but I've never seen it make a comment. I'm guessing troll.

re: #101 RalphShort

I don't know what he is hiding, but he is not being truthful and transparent. It is as simple as that. People here, or elsewhere, can make fun of the people who are skeptical but that does not change the facts.

Truthful statements from Obama are the same as believing in the large size of Jumbo Shrimp...

re: #102 Kenneth

The name rings a bell... but so many names come and go here... it has only one recent comment (from July 10.)

re: #102 Kenneth

anybody know who this character "loaded dice" is? It's down-dinging several thread, but I've never seen it make a comment. I'm guessing troll.

I know who it is. It's the most recent banned down-dinger.

I don't understand why there is all this discussion about something that seems to dwell in the land of weird kooks when there are really important issues to discuss. The US health care destruction plan, the budget deficit, the list of campaign promises that the president has broken since he took office, we should be stimulating discussions about these subjects because they will be impacting all our lives.

There's absolutely no further, additional information to release and the President's lawyers will zealously fight its release. -Charles Cooper

re: #101 RalphShort

The entire statement about "going paperless" is pure BS. The only way you go paperless is when you have completely copied all of the details. The "live birth certificate" presented by Obama does not show the details. Also, his lawyers fought this whole issue during the campaign. If there was not a more informational copy then why did he oppose the release or hire lawyers to oppose it.

I don't know what he is hiding, but he is not being truthful and transparent. It is as simple as that. People here, or elsewhere, can make fun of the people who are skeptical but that does not change the facts.

What facts? I bet you think that the absence of UFOs only proves the conspiracy to deny the existence of UFOs.

re: #106 retief_99

I don't understand why there is all this discussion about something that seems to dwell in the land of weird kooks when there are really important issues to discuss. The US health care destruction plan, the budget deficit, the list of campaign promises that the president has broken since he took office, we should be stimulating discussions about these subjects because they will be impacting all our lives.

So I assume we can count you safely in the "Birth Certificate madness is Kooks on Parade" crowd?
The issues you mention are obvious. We're already fighting those. The Nirthers and racists are where we are fucking up, and destroying our ability to fight the other "real" issues. That's why.

re: #106 retief_99

I don't understand why there is all this discussion about something that seems to dwell in the land of weird kooks when there are really important issues to discuss. The US health care destruction plan, the budget deficit, the list of campaign promises that the president has broken since he took office, we should be stimulating discussions about these subjects because they will be impacting all our lives.

Strange, that none of those current issues you mention are ever discussed on LGF. Just kooky stuff.
/sarc

Have you ever done a keyword search on past articles? You might be surprised.

The story may not dead, but the careers of those pimping it are/will be. Insane in da membrane...(Insane in da brain)...

re: #106 retief_99

It's much harder fighting the good fight when you got the kooks trying to ride your back and stick their hot needles of insanity into your eyes. The first step before entering the political ring is to throw the kooks off your back, then go win on the important issues.

If Barack Obama came out and showed pictures of him emerging from the womb, with a doctor standing nearby holding a 1961 Honolulu Advertiser newspaper, they’d still find a way to deny it. Like any conspiracy theory, people who believe it don’t let facts or logic get in the way.

Exactly. Kind of like one of the nuttier factions of the "9/11 was an inside job" twoofers. How crazy does one have to be to say that no planes even hit the World Trade Centers and that all of the live cable feeds that everyone watched on TV and the thousands of live witnesses were either fooled by CGI or some type of "mass hypnosis" or hologram? These people need professional help.

Here we go again, all those who question whether Obama meets the Constitutional qualifications to be Pres are KOOKS, STUPID, and without COMMON SENSE.
Could I point out the framers of the Constitution thought that being born in the US was important enough to be included in that great document. So those that dare to question this qualification are really devoid of intelligence. Bah!! Those framers of the US Constitution had more intelligence than 95% of those who post on LGF. The many LGF'ers who post here could not have contributed 1/100 toward the origination of that document??
In addition, how many here think that the proof of Obama's birth would stand up in a court of law? The proof that has been offered so far is some Hawaiian officials stating that: hey I have seen the original and, take my word for it, it is the real deal and no one needs to see the original document. Also, no one needs to know anything about the doctor or doctors that we involved.
Obama has spent millions to keep the original under wraps, but don't worry gang, just because the founders of the country thought that being born in the US was important, just move on because there is nothing to see here. Think about it people!!

re: #101 RalphShort

The entire statement about "going paperless" is pure BS. The only way you go paperless is when you have completely copied all of the details. The "live birth certificate" presented by Obama does not show the details. Also, his lawyers fought this whole issue during the campaign. If there was not a more informational copy then why did he oppose the release or hire lawyers to oppose it.

I don't know what he is hiding, but he is not being truthful and transparent. It is as simple as that. People here, or elsewhere, can make fun of the people who are skeptical but that does not change the facts.

I'm wondering if you ever worked in a courthouse in the early 1960's? Or some place where public records were stored. Or perhaps worked in one where the conversion from paper to electronic had taken place? Please tell me how you can speak in an authoritative tone. Do you have sources, something credible as to why you think this is 'BS'?

Further, I would like to know what your response is to the Hawaiian newspaper announcement of Obama's birth that CNN showed. Do you consider it genuine? If not, why not?

re: #114 1 US Sheeple

In addition, how many here think that the proof of Obama's birth would stand up in a court of law?

The released and certified copy of his birth certificate say it's prima facie evidence.

re: #114 1 US Sheeple

Here we go again, all those who question whether Obama meets the Constitutional qualifications to be Pres are KOOKS, STUPID, and without COMMON SENSE.

Those that question whether the President meets the constitutional qualifications to be in his position are stupid kooks without common sense if they don't investigate their claims and back them up with credible evidence. That should go without saying for anyone who makes baseless assertions that defame another person or blanket attack a group of others or claim some sort of supernatural powers. All serious claims, in order to be treated as such, should have credible evidence for them or else they should be dismissed accordingly.

" people who believe it don’t let facts or logic get in the way.

Exact description of President Obama this past week who is currently sans clothes!

re: #115 nihilist

Wow. I just can't keep reading the insanity without commenting.

Obama is a citizen, in all damn likelihood. BUT definitive 100% proof does not yet exist, now does it? So..while the loony toon nirther freaks might be a band of retards, they still might be right. And they have a right to be crazy until they are proven wrong definitievely, and they haven't been yet, right?

Also, I'm sick of hearing about the damn European fascist people. The only play they ever get is when you whine about them. A waste of time for all involved.

The evolution stuff? Well, it was fun for a while, but c'mon. I'm glad that seems done...(?)

Mostly I feel like all you do lately is whine about 'crazy Republicans'. I'm not much of a fan of the Republicans, they do let religious freaks and some loony toons into the club sometimes a little too much, but the Democrats are full of 9/11 freaks and other such morons. I just feel like you must have met a new girl who is making you change. That is what my man sense is telling me. Please stop whining all day and grow some balls to defend what you believe in instead of being Mr. Equivocall.

My Two Cents!!

A Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii has been produced.
It is sufficient documentation for a passport. I know. It's what I have from my state. The nirthers are wrong.

The rest of the stuff is information. Take it or leave it, OR use it to make better informed decisions. It's what smart people do.

re: #115 nihilist

Are you sure you got enough of your piss spread out on the rug? You didn't leave a dry spot did you?

#118 RexMundi

Check out whether there was a US birth or not!! The Hawaiians have sealed all of Obama's birth records and the so called original was a copy and not an original.
That is a real Catch 22, check it out but all the documents are under seal. Just investigate and check out the facts:genius I tell you.

Why in the hell would anyone choose the nickname '1 US Sheeple'? That's a red flag if there ever was one.

re: #122 1 US Sheeple

Just click this link!

It a certified copy. Do you have any idea what that means?

re: #114 1 US Sheeple

Here we go again, all those who question whether Obama meets the Constitutional qualifications to be Pres are KOOKS, STUPID, and without COMMON SENSE.

Yep. Capital letters and all.

Nirthers are "KOOKS, STUPID, and without COMMON SENSE."

re: #125 Syrah

CAPS LOCK MAKES IT MORE TRUTHIER.

^{DON'T MAKE ME WHIP OUT THE DREADED BOLDED CAPS LOCK...}

re: #125 Syrah

I bet they have one of those 'Proud right wing extremist' T-shirts.

re: #122 1 US Sheeple

Whose sock puppet are you?

re: #115 nihilist

That the Democrats have some conspiracy Kooks in their ranks does not mean that we have to have conspiracy kooks in ours.

Ignoring the European Nazi's did not work out so well in the 30's. Ignoring them now would just be doubly stupid.

Also, . . . you might want to check out your website.

"The site you are attempting to access is temporarily unavailable.
If you are the site owner please contact your system administrator."

#124 Sharmuta

So, McCain with his resources could not get a glimpse of the original but Fact-Check.org has the juice to get their hands on the document. Bull!! Plus who were these staffers? Hmmm
Just produce an Original birth certificate so that the public can see for themselves. This whole dispute could be over instantaneously and I for one will apologize to all those who said that he was a US citizen. I will write on the blackboard 100 times that I am sorry for doubting the ONE who now resides in the oval office.

re: #126 Sharmuta

CAPS LOCK MAKES IT MORE TRUTHIER.

^{DON'T MAKE ME WHIP OUT THE DREADED BOLDED CAPS LOCK...}

ITS ALL ABOUT THE TRUTH-Y-NESS! ! !

_{Must use many exclamation marks. One is never enough.}

re: #130 1 US Sheeple

NO ONE GETS THEIR ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

WE ALL GET A CERTIFIED COPY.

IT IS A LEGAL DOCUMENT AND PROOF OF IDENTITY AND CITIZENSHIP.

A CERTIFIED COPY WAS RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

#128 Lee Collier
I am not a sock puppet. I was on Bush when he messed up and I got a lot of grief from those who supported Bush no matter what. When Bush fouled up and he did, I got on here and pointed that out. Look it up.
I am not saying that I am infallible but I also try to keep an open mind, unlike many on this site who are blinded by ideology from the right or the left.

Those people that disagree with me must be blinded by ideology! It's the only explanation!

re: #132 Sharmuta

Sharmuta, I see you resort to the time ordered debate tactic of: just call them names when you have no facts. Quite an argument Sharmuta, you are probably on the DNC payroll because no one could be as obtuse as you are.

re: #133 1 US Sheeple

#128 Lee Collier
I am not a sock puppet. I was on Bush when he messed up and I got a lot of grief from those who supported Bush no matter what. When Bush fouled up and he did, I got on here and pointed that out. Look it up.
I am not saying that I am infallible but I also try to keep an open mind, unlike many on this site who are blinded by ideology from the right or the left.

Nirtherism is a no-go.

You have to have rock solid proof that Obama is not a citizen before you can do anything. Rock solid proof that Obama is not a citizen does not exist. The burden of proof is on you. Nirtherism will never do anything but make Nirthers look like drooling spittle blowing kooks.

re: #114 1 US Sheeple

Get off my website.

How come it took me six months of meticulously following this website to get an account but so many idiots seem to be able to get them so easily?

re: #115 nihilist

I cordially invite you to bite me.

re: #138 Conservative Moonbat

How come it took me six months of meticulously following this website to get an account but so many idiots seem to be able to get them so easily?

Its an illusion.

The idiots get their account with as much difficulty as you or I. They just sit on it waiting for just the right moment to express their idiocy to the fullest extent possible.

re: #139 Charles

I cordially invite you to bite me.

Don't say that Charles. Nirthers are known to carry rabies.

Nirthers calling other people obtuse. LOL

re: #142 Sharmuta

Nirthers calling other people obtuse. LOL

Are we having fun yet?

Syrah...

Does the original possibly show that he was born in Hawaii but lists both of his parents as Muslim?

re: #142 Sharmuta

Nirthers calling other people obtuse. LOL

I like when they come with months old arguments already long since debunked and shot out of the water and then get upset because we dismiss them out of hand, its... cute in a way...

sort of...

Oh look another one... how quaint...

Argh.

re: #145 michaelasher

Would you people please GET A LIFE!!!

re: #145 michaelasher

I don't think they put religion on us birth certs.

re: #138 Conservative Moonbat

How come it took me six months of meticulously following this website to get an account but so many idiots seem to be able to get them so easily?

The good thing is I'll bet most everyone here enjoys your company, while the idiots you're talking about, quite the contrary...and temporary.

I've got one. Haven't really been following this admittedly ridiculous debate and was just wondering if this possibility had ever been addressed.

I'll steal a line from the movie Scrooged and modify it to suit:

"Would you please... for the love of God and your own bodies, hold the goddamn nirthing!"

Both re: #150 dapperdave

The religion of both of my parents is on mine.

re: #152 michaelasher

No it would not have been addressed. As Dapperdave points out, in the US religion is not listed on birth certificates.

re: #152 michaelasher

So- you're one of those sekrit muslim types?

I don't know about Hawaii but I have in my hands

My Nirth Certifikit from the State of California, 1974

Nowhere on it is listed either of my parents religions. It lists their birthplaces, and my fathers occupation (but not my mothers for some reason).

re: #154 michaelasher

Not on mine...I've never seen anything like that on a U.S. one, however in the mideast that's a different deal.

re: #157 ArchangelMichael

In the past some states did.

Some states record "religion" on the certificate.

re: #159 michaelasher

Your fixation comes off as creepy and bigoted.

Evidently Hawaii didn't in 1962 so likely didn't in 1961.

re: #160 Sharmuta

Seems to be a moot point. But Obama didn't much care to emphasize his Muslim roots until Cairo. Certainly not before the election.

These nirthers are grasping for straws.

re: #162 michaelasher

I'm sure it's all part of an insidious plot to make the United States the center of the neo-Caliphate.

re: #145 michaelasher

Does the original possibly show that he was born in Hawaii but lists both of his parents as Muslim?

A. Probably not.

B. Who would care if it did, and why?

re: #165 SanFranciscoZionist

There you go, making sense again.

re: #165 SanFranciscoZionist

Did his campaign want his middle name emphasized?

These things I believe:

I believe that the wreckage found at Roswell in 1947 was a weather balloon.

I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald, a deranged nut if there ever was one, acted alone when he shot and killed JFK.

I believe that Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin walked on the surface of the moon on July 20, 1969.

I believe that presidential aide Vince Foster, who had been diagnosed with clinical depression, committed suicide in Fort Marcy Park in 1993.

I believe that George W. Bush won the state of Florida in 2000 by several hundred votes, and the state of Ohio in 2004 by over a hundred thousand, and that Diebold had nothing to do with it.

I believe that 19 Arabs, acting at the behest of Osama Bin Laden, hijacked jetliners and flew them into buildings in New York and Arlington, VA, and a field in Pennsylvania, in September 2001. I further believe that fire can soften steel (how do you thing steel is made and formed, anyway?), and that probably no building in the world could withstand a 500+ mph impact from a 300,000 lb aircraft, followed by a raging, jet fuel fire in the heart of the structure.

I believe that President Bush honestly believed that Saddam Hussein possessed WMD, and was genuinely surprised to learn that was not the case.

I believe that Barack Obama is a terrible President who happens to have been born in Honolulu, HI, in August 1961.

I believe that conspiracy theories, in general, are not feasible and do not pass the common sense test.

I believe that Nirthers, Troofers, moon landing denialists, BDS sufferers, and other conspiracy morons are foocking lo-o-o-o-s-e-r-r-r-s!

That is all.

re: #167 michaelasher

Did his campaign want his middle name emphasized?

Did you miss the part with all the Obama fans adopting 'Hussein' as their own middle name? (OK, irrelevent, but it was sort of funny.)

Look, let me be blunt: in the unlikely event that it turns out that Ms. Dunham converted to Islam to make her first husband happy, or out of conviction, or to seem cool, or whatever, would this make a difference to anyone except a few dim-bulb religious bigots out there?

re: #168 gunslingah

Wow, you're gullible.

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Apologies for being late to the party here, but is there any definitive online resource to put this issue to rest? I have friends and associates who won't let this go, and I would love to redirect their energies to more pressing issues. Thanks in advance, folks!

re: #167 michaelasher

Oh, for fuck's sake. His middle name happens to be the last name of somebody we went to war to depose. (Alternatively, it could be - and was - used against him among bigots who are terrified of sekrit muslims.)

And please, while we're on the subject, tell us which presidential candidates ever "emphasized" their middle names?

How many presidential middle names can you tell us without looking it up?

There are plenty of things I dislke about our current president. We don't need to make shit up to have subjects for complaint.

re: #167 michaelasher

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

The only relevance was how the campaign thought it might play and there was certainly evidence of that -- at least every time Ann Coulter opened her mouth.

re: #172 lurking faith

How 'bout William Jefferson Clinton and John Fitzgerald Kennedy?

re: #174 michaelasher

Nice. You answered the least relevant question. Congratulations on remembering a couple of presidents' middle names.

Now, which presidents or candidates emphasized their middle names? Who used their full names while campaigning? Not that many.

re: #175 lurking faith

Both mentioned were, indeed, used frequently. As to your latest gambit, do George W. Bush and Hilary Rodham Clinton count?

re: #176 michaelasher

Both mentioned were, indeed, used frequently. As to your latest gambit, do George W. Bush and Hilary Rodham Clinton count?

GAZE

I must say, the moral altitude of the discussion on this page has gone down since Charles ran off the bornagains and whitepowers... I wd have thought it would have gone up, neh?

Good Night, Lizards.

McCain Lawyers Investigated Obama Citizenship

"To the extent that we could, we looked into the substantive side of these allegations. We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States. We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else. On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii. There was a certificate issued by the state's Department of Health, and the responsible official in the state saying that he had personally seen the original certificate. There was a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be very difficult to invent or plant 47 years in advance."

According to Wikipedia, a child today can be born abroad to one US citizen parent and be awarded citizenship without naturalization.

(Not that this matters in the nirther case, because he was born in Hawaii.)

Sorry if this is being nirther of me, but doesn't the CNN president's quote directly conflict with this post from awhile ago?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Maybe these are different departments or something?

re: #183 cowbellallen

... but doesn't the CNN president's quote directly conflict with this post from awhile ago?

How so?

Although I am not a "nirther" I appreciate the value of just throwing it out there...Here's a typical exchange with a leftist loon.

Them: Oh my god, did you hear about Obama's luau? Isn't it great that he would pay tribute to his birthplace?

Me: Huh, I didn't know luaus were a Kenyan thing. Besides, isn't the main dish at a luau pork?

Them: BUSH LOVER !!! (as they storm off in a huff)

Oh, the wailing and gnashing of teeth! Gets 'em every time.

[Link: whatreallyhappened.com...]

Two registered birth announcements in 1961-

Try making that up

I have absolutely no patience with Nirthers any more.

If the frickin' testimony of officials of the state of Hawaii speaking in their official capacity about official state records, the validity of which they are officially certifying... isn't enough, and the records of the local newspaper (which ran contemporary birth announcements) isn't enough, WTF will work for them? Do they need to get Professor Peabody to send them back in the Wayback Machine so they can see the damn birth for themselves?

Do we need to enlist the help of Dr. Who or Sailor Pluto? Do we need to steal the Nanban Mirror from Happosai? Do we need to loop the Enterprise around the sun? What do we need to do here?

What, precisely, do we need to do for them to give it a fucking rest??

During the Apollo Anniversary last week, CNN stupidly decided to run a story about the crazies who believe the landing was faked, and put it on the front page of their website.

This encourages all conspiracy goofballs, and inspires them to yell louder in hopes of getting the same sort of attention showered on them.

Because in the end, it's all about the attention. Not fact.

re: #115 nihilist

Obama is a citizen, in all damn likelihood. BUT definitive 100% proof does not yet exist, now does it? So..while the loony toon nirther freaks might be a band of retards, they still might be right. And they have a right to be crazy until they are proven wrong definitievely, and they haven't been yet, right?

No. Not even close to right. It isn't up to bystanders, or even the accused, to prove that accusations are false. It is up to those making the accusations to prove that they are true. Not through innuendo, implication or distortion, but through positive evidence that demonstrates the validity of their claims.

This is true in court - where any such issues like this would ultimately be resolved (by being laughed out into the hallway). It is true in science. It is true in all logical endeavors. And it is incumbent upon anyone hoping to promote this claim, as well, a task none of them has even come close to shouldering.

Making a ridiculous statement, and then telling your detractors "Oh, yeah? Well, prove me wrong, then!" is the sort of trailer-trash argument offered by supporters of Bigfoot, alien UFO enthusiasts, JFK assassination conspiracists and, in fact, by every other conspiracy-touting asshole on the planet. It is a demand that their opponents prove a negative, a logical impossibility requiring an exhaustive search of the entire Universe to satisfy. And it often deflects the very reasonable demand that positive proof of their own claims - which is nonexistent - be produced.

If anyone claims that 0bama is a citizen of a country other than the United States, it's up to them to produce that proof. But of course, they won't. Because they can't.

re: #188 SixDegrees

During the Apollo Anniversary last week, CNN stupidly decided to run a story about the crazies who believe the landing was faked, and put it on the front page of their website.

This encourages all conspiracy goofballs, and inspires them to yell louder in hopes of getting the same sort of attention showered on them.

Because in the end, it's all about the attention. Not fact.

There was even a movie about that back in the day. "Capricorn One."

Elliot Gould and James Brolin starred. Either one of them would be a Democratic selling point -- both of them together is a lib wet dream.

Isn't it enough that O is trying to ram progressive programs down our throats? Why fixate on a birth certificate?

re: #183 cowbellallen

Sorry if this is being nirther of me, but doesn't the CNN president's quote directly conflict with this post from awhile ago?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Maybe these are different departments or something?

NO. It does NOT contradict anything. The state of Hawaii digitized all those records a few years ago. She is obviously referring to the digitized version.

Good grief. A perfect example of what I wrote above.

Charles,

Do you ever get tired of making the same arguments to people over and over and over again? The internet is both a wonderful and rotten tool. These idiots keep coming back and positing the same, "questions," which have been answered ad infinitim. Moon Landing, Kennedy Assasination, Chem Trails, 911 Truthers are all cut from the same mold. What I find is the most frustrating though, is that you and countless others have answered the same questions, no matter how insane the premise many times; and they still don't get it. Maybe you should start selling soup pots to be worn as special death ray protective helmets or something. At least that way, when they speak in public, their words would be muffled. It doesn't help for keyboards, but I'm sure a tech saavy person such as yourself could come up with a computerized version of the soup pot idea. Once Stinky identifies a Nirther, their typed musings would always appear in pink, until a psychiatrist declares them sane. Just an idea.

More than anything, this flap reminds me of the controversy over Dan Rather and the Magic Typewriter. How could anyone have doggedly pursued the idea that reputable news-people weren't accurate or truthful?

In the birth-certificate controversy, my impression is that the type of document that was provided to the public is not hard evidence of birth in the state of Hawaii, but that people born elsewhere can apply for, and receive, such a document. If anyone can provide reasoned discussion of this particular question (rather than just disparaging me for raising it), I'd appreciate it.

It is not unusual for people to be asked to document that their circumstances are as they say they are. When this happens, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim or the application. For example, a few years back, I volunteered to help with registration for a local youth soccer league. Applicants needed to provide birth certificates. For the would-be soccer players, it was not the place of birth, but evidence of age, that was of interest. If little kids need to apply for admission to a soccer team with birth certificate in hand, it is not unreasonable to expect someone seeking elective office to be similarly forthcoming.

This birth-certificate mishmash is not something occupies much of my time or interest. However, I have to confess to being astonished that the efforts of the people raising the question would arouse so much, and such virulent, opposition -- to the point of taking the trouble to invent the derisive term "nirthers." Yes, perhaps people should have better things to do with their time than question the place of birth of elected officials. But if that's so, it applies equally to people who devote their time to ridiculing those questions.

re: #194 TheBurbs

Those questions are ridiculed because they've been answered already, but despite these answers, the kooks keep insisting on asking their question.

That's worthy of ridicule.

It is odd that all the paperwork was discarded.
My son and daughter were born in England--and even though the UK have been storing birth records, etc, digitally for a number of years, all the old records (in various forms including books) are archived--they have not been destroyed. They have a much longer history to store, too.

I wonder how many states here have discarded old, paper records.

re: #186 ibmkeyboard

[Link: whatreallyhappened.com...]

Two registered birth announcements in 1961-

Try making that up

Thanks for that link.

Nirthers, creationists, moon landing bats, vaccination loonies, what's the difference?

BTW, hello from the land of the midnight sun courtesy of netbook PCs, and great internet access via cell system in Sweden.

re: #195 Sharmuta

Well, just a thought, here, not taking sides, but really it would mean keeping up with the reading on the blogs 24/7 to know this, wouldn't it?

re: #192 Charles

NO. It does NOT contradict anything. The state of Hawaii digitized all those records a few years ago. She is obviously referring to the digitized version.

Good grief. A perfect example of what I wrote above.

I don't get how it was a perfect example... It just didn't really click to me at 3am that she was talking about a digitized version (and I guess nobody else knew she was up until yesterday).

re: #199 katemaclaren

Well, just a thought, here, not taking sides, but really it would mean keeping up with the reading on the blogs 24/7 to know this, wouldn't it?

This was on CNN.

re: #194 TheBurbs

In the birth-certificate controversy, my impression is that the type of document that was provided to the public is not hard evidence of birth in the state of Hawaii, but that people born elsewhere can apply for, and receive, such a document. If anyone can provide reasoned discussion of this particular question (rather than just disparaging me for raising it), I'd appreciate it.

You are wrong. When you request your birth certificate from the state of Hawaii, you get a certificate of live birth, with the official seal of the state of Hawaii. That is what has been released, and it's been verified.

More than once.

This birth-certificate mishmash is not something occupies much of my time or interest. However, I have to confess to being astonished that the efforts of the people raising the question would arouse so much, and such virulent, opposition -- to the point of taking the trouble to invent the derisive term "nirthers." Yes, perhaps people should have better things to do with their time than question the place of birth of elected officials. But if that's so, it applies equally to people who devote their time to ridiculing those questions.

This idiotic conspiracy theory deserves absolutely no respect, and it's not going to get any respect at LGF. I intend to continue mocking and deriding the Nirthers, and I will not tolerate any promotion of this garbage at my website.

re: #176 michaelasher

I dropped off the board last night because I had to deal with something at home. Now:

1. Your blather about middle names is off topic, to start with.

2. You are equating middle initials with middle names.

3. There is no reason a candidate should be forced to use his/her full name in the campaign materials if he/she doesn't feel like it. Historically, most don't, at least most of the time.

4. Those that do use a full middle name with any frequency usually have a reason for it. Ms. Clinton is a feminist, and using her maiden name could help appeal to women. Bill Clinton mostly just used Bill. George W. Bush had to use a middle initial or name to distinguish himself from his father - and he chose the initial, not the full name. JFK mostly used F., but Fitzgerald was sometimes useful because his mother was from a prominent Boston family.

4a. Now, I repeat, Obama's middle name just happens to be the name of a dictator we recently went to war with and deposed. What kind of moron would emphasize that? That would be like a girl running for prom queen, waking up with a zit on the day of the prom, and instead of putting on makeup, circling the zit with purple marker and drawing arrows.

5. By the tone and content of your questions and comments, I'm convinced that you are a smirking bigot and not worth the time I have spent arguing with you.

A pox on both their houses. Either side could stop this.

Nirthers I understand even if I don't believe in the ability of groups of people to really keep secrets. Paranoia is the thinking man's mental illness.

What I don't understand is spending a million dollars on principle. I would have long ago released it and said "Feast on this, M***F***s. Now see how stupid they [nirthers] were."

"Now, I repeat, Obama's middle name just happens to be the name of a dictator we recently went to war with and deposed. What kind of moron would emphasize that?"

That would be your ultra-conservative, right-wing moron.

How about this as a conspiracy theory

THe entire "controversy" is being pushed by the White House in order to discredit his opponents. That is why he refuses to authorize the release of a photostat of his original birth certificate. The more he refuses, the louder the scream from the "nirthers" and the more they are convinced that he is hhiding something. The louder they scream, the more people are distracted from the legitimate reasons to oppose him and more he is likely to sneak his agenda past the people who are not looking in the right direction.

OK Charles, you say that the full blown Haywain birth certificate has been produced and verified. Can you tell me where I can find that information/verification? And no, the Hawaii state dept and Huffington Post are not reliable verifiers. Where has it been released to? If it's been successfully debunked, why do so many credible people still give it support? i.e. Heritage, PatriotPost, etc.
Is the "Official" birth certificate posted somewhere? Oh wait, it was lost in a fire. how convenient.

Given the string and lies and spin put out by the BHO admin, I hesitate to give them any credence with out intense review. You however, have a fairly good rep with me. It is almost beyond to pale to believe that Democrats in the know would allow this to happen if true. Yet, you could say the same thing for much of what is currently happening via the actions of this administration. These actions resulting in the curtailment and systematic destruction of much of what makes our country great. America a socialist country? nah, couldn't happen. But look were we are now.

last question? Was the statement that B.O's granny said she saw him being born in Kenya ever debunked?

Just askin?

"Can you tell me where I can find that information/verification? And no, the Hawaii state dept and Huffington Post are not reliable verifiers."

Whi is a reliable verifier, then?