Bad Craziness at Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty Website

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On Friday, we noted that Dr. David McKalip (the Florida neurosurgeon who sent out that ugly image of Barack Obama as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose to a tea party mailing list) is deeply connected with the “Campaign for Liberty” organization founded by paleolibertarian Ron Paul.

Adam Holland started digging around the Campaign for Liberty website, and discovered a jaw-dropping wellspring of bad craziness — for example: Campaign For Liberty — The History of Satanic World Banking.

The Illuminati conspiracy is a very popular theme at Campaign for Liberty, with dozens of articles like this one: “Was Hitler an Illuminati Agent?”

The craziness is very far-ranging. Adam also discovered Zionist conspiracies, 9/11 conspiracies, Zionists caused 9/11 conspiracies, Rothschild conspiracies, New World Order conspiracies, international banking conspiracies, Holocaust-denying neo-Nazis, and even support for the “sovereign citizen” movement blamed for several domestic terrorist incidents.

The amount of freaky insanity has to be seen to be believed. That racist witch doctor image was just the tip of the iceberg.

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338 comments
1 swamprat  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 12:57:38pm

Like there hasn't been enough canage?
Oh, the humanity!

2 avanti  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 12:57:48pm

"We have met the enemy, and he is us." or at least among us.

3 swamprat  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 12:58:03pm

carnage,too

4 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:00:07pm
5 quiet man  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:00:09pm

"We have met the enemy, and spammed his polls."
Life is good in Paulville.

6 RebelDebater  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:00:24pm

WTF. These people are shit crazy. I really wanna like Ron Paul because he's the only libertarian that really has a national face...but sadly he's not a libertarian. Just a fucking nut.

7 summergurl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:01:52pm

OT- I heard on the radio today that Juan Williams from Fox heard the Cambridge Police Department tape. SUpposedly it is pretty explosive, meaning Gates was way out of line and used some pretty vukgar language directed at Crowley. Anyone heard about this or has a link? Not sure how Juan would have heard it???

8 callahan23  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:01:53pm
"The amount of freaky insanity has to be seen to be believed."

No thanks Charles, I just had Dinner.
I don't want it to go into reverse.
I fully trust your account on it. Thanks.

9 TedStriker  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:02:24pm

SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE!

/Gomer Pyle mode off

10 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:02:28pm

This mass arrest in New Jersey (I almost said Jew Nersey) is going to provide these batshit whackos with sustenance for year to come.

11 RebelDebater  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:03:12pm

re: #8 callahan23

Damn you eat early haha.

12 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:03:19pm

YEARS to come. Decades, possible centuries.

13 vxbush  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:03:37pm

Ah, take a few half-truths, mix in some craziness, spout popular buzzwords for conspiracy theorists like "Illuminati", and you have something that far too many people will just accept at face value.

14 haakondahl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:04:04pm

Charles has heard the song of RonPaulstiltskin, and now knows his real name.

15 jaunte  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:04:11pm

re: #6 RebelDebater

WTF. These people are shit crazy. I really wanna like Ron Paul because he's the only libertarian that really has a national face...but sadly he's not a libertarian. Just a fucking nut.

Libernuttians, freeing their inner crazy.

16 RebelDebater  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:04:25pm

re: #10 Alouette

Yes that really didn't help to dispel the Jewish stereotypes.

17 callahan23  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:04:34pm

re: #11 RebelDebater

Across the pond. It is 10pm here

18 haakondahl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:04:40pm

re: #10 Alouette

This mass arrest in New Jersey (I almost said Jew Nersey) is going to provide these batshit whackos with sustenance for year to come.

Nu???

19 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:05:39pm
20 RebelDebater  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:05:45pm

re: #15 jaunte

Well its just people connect him with libertarianism. And consider him the face of it. But he's not at all.

21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:06:00pm

Not gonna read the madness. Not gonna watch the madness

I'll listen to Madness. Thank you very much.

22 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:06:06pm

Shouldn't it be the Campaign for Crazy website?

23 theheat  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:06:46pm

This site plumbs the depths of racist/conspiracy theory insanity. I especially enjoyed the Cryptozoology site, complete with lots of emphatic bold print and misspellings. If Obama 'the witch doctor' and the satanic bankers don't get us - Mothman will.

It would do the conservatives well to do a little checking before hitching their wagons to the next crazy train that comes around the bend.

24 Mr. E. Train  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:06:49pm

Im raising my sisters 3 little girls. Their father is black and I have to tell you, every time I see that picture I want to run out and punch the good 'Doctor' in the throat.

And Charles, I got to tell ya, I have mixed feelings about having that picture on this site. It's your ship man and I respect that, but Im almost afraid to bring Little Green Footballs up at home for fear that my girls will see this picture. I know that it is useful in pointing out the noxious company Ron Paul keeps. I would like everyone to know about this so that the sick little nutter would be shunned by polite society.

At the same time I dread my girls seeing it. Any time they come to me with a story about someone saying something racial to them, tears in their eyes, its like a knife in my gut. I dread having to explain this photo to them more than the 'birds and bees' talk.

25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:08:01pm

re: #19 buzzsawmonkey

Hey Buzz? Jackie Mason thought that post sounded really Jewish.

A Gentile (me) giggled when he read it.

I'm sure it wasn't meant to be funny. But I heard the last paragraph with Dr. Zoidburg's voice.

Don't get mad! Just thought it was funny.

26 TedStriker  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:08:20pm

re: #14 haakondahl

Charles has heard the song of RonPaulstiltskin, and now knows his real name.

Yeah, Luap Nor's real name is "Isolationist, Bigoted Asshole"...

/do I have to?

27 jaunte  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:09:44pm

re: #20 RebelDebater

When I say 'Libernuttian' I'm just referring to the people that believe things like this, from the "Hitler was an Illuminati article linked above:

The super rich have organized themselves into a satanic cult to prey on mankind and to establish their permanent hegemony. Put yourself in the central bankers' shoes. The nations of the world owe you trillions based on money you printed for the cost of paper and ink. The only way to protect this "investment" is to establish a thinly disguised dictatorship, using sophisticated methods of social and mind control. This is the true meaning of the "War on Terror." It's not directed at "Muslim terrorists." It's directed at you and me.
28 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:10:02pm

I am part of the Illuminati. Sorry guys. But you're all invited to the Owl Burning. I'll have beer.
/

29 solomonpanting  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:11:05pm
Hallett's theory also explains why Hitler, supposedly the arch enemy of Jewish bankers, acted like he didn't know the Rothschilds controlled England (and America) when this was practically common knowledge.

Well! Color me surprised.

30 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:11:28pm

This is exactly why the country needs a new big centrist party that will have some standards and not let just any fringe crazy in.

31 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:11:35pm

Oh come on Charles,
don't act as if you're surprised. After all, it's the Paultard fanbase! ;-)

Good evening Lizards.

32 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:11:45pm

It's a good thing that my tin foil hat prevents the Biderberger's New World Order Mind Control rays from penetrating my huge brain!! Ron Paul!!

///

33 callahan23  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:11:51pm

re: #24 Mr. E. Train

... Any time they come to me with a story about someone saying something racial to them, tears in their eyes, its like a knife in my gut. ...

Give them an extra hug from the Lizards at least from this one. *sob* You are a good one. All the strength to you.

34 Athens Runaway  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:12:12pm

re: #14 haakondahl

Charles has heard the song of RonPaulstiltskin, and now knows his real name.

I still believe that if you get him to say his name backwards, he'll disappear back to the 5th Dimension. Like Alex Trebek.

35 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:12:13pm
36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:12:54pm

re: #30 Ojoe

This is exactly why the country needs a new big centrist party that will have some standards and not let just any fringe crazy in.

...or at least throw their asses out when they go "booga booga!"...

37 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:13:11pm

re: #24 Mr. E. Train

Prayers to you from here.

38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:13:37pm

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

Geez, you're brilliant.

39 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:14:17pm

What, does this mean there'll be a Ron Paul/Lyndon La Rouche ticket in 2012?

40 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:14:31pm

re: #36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When was the last time you ever heard of a major political party kicking someone out? They don't, because they are only after power, not about doing good.

41 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:16:47pm

Educate-Yourself
The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought ©

The Illuminati Formula to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Control Slave

That's a 16oz frothy mug of irony.

42 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:17:23pm
The amount of freaky insanity has to be seen to be believed. That racist witch doctor image was just the tip of the iceberg.

/but we've all known that here for a couple years now.

43 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:17:51pm
44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:17:57pm

re: #40 Ojoe

Zackly. You want a centrist party with scruples. A Centrist party with scruples will throw out the guy who shows up at the convention wearing an Obama Witch Doctor T-shirt...

45 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:18:10pm

re: #39 Dar ul Harb

What, does this mean there'll be a Ron Paul/Lyndon La Rouche ticket in 2012?

It's possible. We'll have to see how far the GOP and conservatives go in embracing the libertarian loons. This stuff is becoming more mainstream all the time. I watched a video of Truthers passing out literature at the July 4th Tea Party. A lot of people seemed willing to listen to them.

46 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:18:44pm

re: #44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If we have no standards we will all become barbarians again.

47 pat  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:18:44pm

All the paranoia of a cult.

48 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:19:29pm
49 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:20:00pm

re: #44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Zackly. You want a centrist party with scruples. A Centrist party with scruples will throw out the guy who shows up at the convention wearing an Obama Witch Doctor T-shirt...

Small correction: You want a Center-Right party with scruples. You need to lean right in order to keep the proper perspectives on fighting crime and maintaining the economy. The left is worthless for those things.

50 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:20:10pm

What a bunch of Jew-hating bastards.

51 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:22:07pm

These people are neither Right nor Left. Their nuttiness transcends politics.

For more information, Google David Icke.

52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:22:31pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

I'll take it.

53 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:23:16pm

re: #47 pat

All the paranoia of a cult.

That plus the racism provides the breeding ground for hate crimes. And if those occur, we will be blamed for them as well. Mark my words: Should Ron Paul's toxic political stewpot breed a (real or perceived) crisis of crimes committed on the basis of race, Obama will not let said crisis go to waste.

54 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:23:27pm

Alex Jones and his idiotic ilk were opposed to Pres. Bush. The fact that they are conspiracy theorists means that they must attack FCBBHO because he represents TPTB.

55 DEZes  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:24:28pm

I came, I saw, I hurled.
I wont follow that link again.

56 MarineMomSue  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:24:51pm

Imagine a 'Jay Leno-like' man on the street type question about Ron Paul. I'd guess is 20 out of 20 people asked wouldn't even know who he is.

Is there a way any political party can actually kick somebody out? I don't think so.

57 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:24:55pm

re: #54 MandyManners

May I ask what FCBBHO and TPTB means?

58 zombie  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:24:57pm

So, what I can gather from all this is:

a. Ron Paul is fairly crazy.
b. His followers and fans are even much crazier than he is -- delving into all sorts of idiotic and long-debunked "paleo-conspiracies."
c. Millions of "normal" Americans -- including countless respected economists, analysts and politicians -- are extremely unhappy about Obama's economic, financial and tax proposals.
d. However, because the Republican Party is in "meltdown" (or perhaps "dormancy" is a better term) there is no political framework under which this unhappiness can be publicly expressed.
e. As a result, a series of grassroots anti-tax protests popped up (the "Tea Parties"), originally with no pre-existing affiliation.
f. Predictably, as soon as any public protest movement emerges, the extremists jump into the middle of the fray, grab the baton from the parade leader and assume the self-appointed "leadership" of the movement.
g. In this circumstance, the Ron Paul crazies, and a plethora of slightly-less-crazy crazies invited themselves to the Tea Party anti-tax protests, and now play a prominent role.
h. All the non-crazy legitimate people who wanted to protest the new economic schemes are now being "tarred by association" and having their ideas discredited by their unsolicited association with the Ron Paul followers.
 i. There is nowhere left for Obama's mainstream opponents to turn -- and the liberals and neo-Marixsts take another victory lap.

Does that about sum it up?

59 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:25:13pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

That plus the racism provides the breeding ground for hate crimes. And if those occur, we will be blamed for them as well. Mark my words: Should Ron Paul's toxic political stewpot breed a (real or perceived) crisis of crimes committed on the basis of race, Obama will not let said crisis go to waste.

The only race I can see under attack is the Jewish race.

60 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:25:51pm

re: #57 mrbaracuda

May I ask what FCBBHO and TPTB means?

FuckingCommieBarakHusseinObama and ThePowersThatBe. I invented the first one only.

61 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:25:58pm

Uh, coined.

62 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:27:06pm

I'm serious, folks. Google David Icke.

63 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:27:06pm

re: #59 MandyManners

The only race I can see under attack is the Jewish race.

That is bad enough. However, Charles has linked Ron Paul to anti-black racism before. Either way, it's vile bigotry and I despise Ron Paul for it.

64 callahan23  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:27:22pm

re: #57 mrbaracuda

May I ask what FCBBHO and TPTB means?

FCBBHO = fucking commie bastard Barrack Hussein Obama
TPTB = "The Powers That Be"

65 MarineMomSue  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:27:31pm

re: #58 zombie

I think you covered it, Zombie

66 haakondahl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:27:56pm

I find it odd that Congressman Ron Paul is consistently referred to as Dr. Paul. Bill Frist was always just Bill Frist (R-TN).

67 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:28:21pm

re: #60 MandyManners

Thanks. Also to you, callahan23. :-)

68 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:28:45pm

re: #62 MandyManners

I wonder if Ron Paul is a really dry and old scaly one. LoL.

69 TedStriker  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:29:10pm

re: #6 RebelDebater

WTF. These people are shit crazy. I really wanna like Ron Paul because he's the only libertarian that really has a national face...but sadly he's not a libertarian. Just a fucking nut.

A racist, isolationist, totally-whacked-out nut, Paul is...and this is nothing new. The crazies, the haters, and the downright ignorant are drawn to him like flies to flypaper.

I'd never want to throw in with someone this vile and crazy, even if they were the last person standing...I'd vote for a liberal Democrat before I'd ever consider supporting Paul.

70 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:30:27pm

mre: #63 Dark_Falcon

That is bad enough. However, Charles has linked Ron Paul to anti-black racism before. Either way, it's vile bigotry and I despise Ron Paul for it.

I'm talking about Icke and Jones and their idiotic ilk. Rothschild this and Rothschild that. Why, did you know that America was established by the Illuminati as a way for Rothschild and his buddies to make more money?!

This shit is beyond bad crazy and into mental illness.

71 jaunte  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:30:43pm

re: #66 haakondahl

I find it odd that Congressman Ron Paul is consistently referred to as Dr. Paul. Bill Frist was always just Bill Frist (R-TN).

Bolstering the tatters of his Authority.

72 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:31:06pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

It's possible.

Well, Obama got elected, despite his underwhelming qualifications, didn't he? But I wasn't alluding to the Republican ticket. Maybe Paul would run as a Ross Perot-like spoiler.

We'll have to see how far the GOP and conservatives go in embracing the libertarian loons. This stuff is becoming more mainstream all the time. I watched a video of Truthers passing out literature at the July 4th Tea Party. A lot of people seemed willing to listen to them.

Why is it that folks like the Ronulans and International ANSWER seem to be so much better organized than whatever protest movements they glom on to?

*sigh*

We're workin our jobs
Collect our pay
Believe we're gliding down the highway
When in fact we're slip sliding away...

73 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:31:37pm

re: #70 MandyManners

m

I'm talking about Icke and Jones and their idiotic ilk. Rothschild this and Rothschild that. Why, did you know that America was established by the Illuminati as a way for Rothschild and his buddies to make more money?!

This shit is beyond bad crazy and into mental illness.

Quite Concur. BBL

74 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:31:41pm

BTW, if you want to know more about Lucifer Trust (now, Lucis Trust), Google Alice Bailey and Theosophy.

75 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:32:13pm

Gotta' go sear my roast. bbiab

76 callahan23  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:32:37pm

re: #70 MandyManners

m

I'm talking about Icke and Jones and their idiotic ilk. Rothschild this and Rothschild that. Why, did you know that America was established by the Illuminati as a way for Rothschild and his buddies to make more money?!

This shit is beyond bad crazy and into mental illness.

Also well established 'wisdom' of German mental-cases. Had that stuff being puked at me a couple of times.

77 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:33:37pm

re: #76 callahan23

Hey callahan; as a non-native, would you say that Germans generally dislike all things America? :-(

78 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:33:37pm

re: #58 zombie

So, what I can gather from all this is:

a. Ron Paul is fairly crazy.
b. His followers and fans are even much crazier than he is -- delving into all sorts of idiotic and long-debunked "paleo-conspiracies."
c. Millions of "normal" Americans -- including countless respected economists, analysts and politicians -- are extremely unhappy about Obama's economic, financial and tax proposals.
d. However, because the Republican Party is in "meltdown" (or perhaps "dormancy" is a better term) there is no political framework under which this unhappiness can be publicly expressed.
e. As a result, a series of grassroots anti-tax protests popped up (the "Tea Parties"), originally with no pre-existing affiliation.
f. Predictably, as soon as any public protest movement emerges, the extremists jump into the middle of the fray, grab the baton from the parade leader and assume the self-appointed "leadership" of the movement.
g. In this circumstance, the Ron Paul crazies, and a plethora of slightly-less-crazy crazies invited themselves to the Tea Party anti-tax protests, and now play a prominent role.
h. All the non-crazy legitimate people who wanted to protest the new economic schemes are now being "tarred by association" and having their ideas discredited by their unsolicited association with the Ron Paul followers.
 i. There is nowhere left for Obama's mainstream opponents to turn -- and the liberals and neo-Marixsts take another victory lap.

Does that about sum it up?

j. Some of us tried to blow the whistle, to no avail.

79 DEZes  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:35:39pm

re: #75 MandyManners

Gotta' go sear my roast. bbiab

Is that what you kids are calling it these days?

80 TedStriker  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:35:43pm

re: #68 mrbaracuda

I wonder if Ron Paul is a really dry and old scaly one. LoL.

More like Beelzebub made flesh...

///

81 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:35:56pm

re: #66 haakondahl

I find it odd that Congressman Ron Paul is consistently referred to as Dr. Paul. Bill Frist was always just Bill Frist (R-TN).

Long time since we've seen a Frist Post!

82 calcajun  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:36:12pm

I try the eschew profanity and vulgarity except as a visceral, allergic reaction to stupidity. But, to paraphrase Robin Williams from "Good Morning, Vietnam" these people are in "more dire need of a blowjob than any white people in history".

No sarc--they really do need to get a life.

83 calcajun  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:36:29pm

re: #75 MandyManners

Gotta' go sear my roast. bbiab

And you have to cook, too.

84 crosspatch  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:36:51pm

The Ron Paul supporters have so far impressed me as a mob of raving lunatics. Sad thing is they have practically taken over the tea party movement around where I live. So sad.

85 callahan23  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:38:21pm

re: #77 mrbaracuda

Hey callahan; as a non-native, would you say that Germans generally dislike all things America? :-(

I am a native. Not all Germans dislike America. Even those who dislike America usually don't dislike all things American.
Yet there is a very strong anti-American current running through the German society which is accepted and usually not questioned.

86 TedStriker  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:38:26pm

re: #82 calcajun

I try the eschew profanity and vulgarity except as a visceral, allergic reaction to stupidity. But, to paraphrase Robin Williams from "Good Morning, Vietnam" these people are in "more dire need of a blowjob than any white people in history".

No sarc--they really do need to get a life.

I've always loved it when he told J.T. Walsh off with that line...one of the best parts of the movie, IMO.

87 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:38:49pm

re: #58 zombie
Close, but you're a little bit off on this part...

f. Predictably, as soon as any public protest movement emerges, the extremists jump into the middle of the fray, grab the baton from the parade leader and assume the self-appointed "leadership" of the movement.
g. In this circumstance, the Ron Paul crazies, and a plethora of slightly-less-crazy crazies invited themselves to the Tea Party anti-tax protests, and now play a prominent role.


The infrastructure for the Tea Parties was already in place. Paulians and Truthers have been having Tea Parties for years. When normal conservatives discovered the idea they inadvertently ended up joining a Paulian movement. That's why so many of the local and national Tea Party organizers and bloggers are Paulians. They were already in place by the time normal conservatives joined.

88 haakondahl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:39:12pm

re: #51 MandyManners

These people are neither Right nor Left. Their nuttiness transcends politics.

For more information, Google David Icke.

Agreed! Zombie will like this: I view left and right as a circle, with a crazy/sane axis making it a cylinder. But it's more a cone, for the further you go down on the crazy end, the less room there is to move around in. For sufficient values of crazy, political position angle and radius of motivation don't matter. They no longer inform your decisions, and one arm of crazy sounds very much like another.

89 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:40:07pm

re: #85 callahan23

Oh you are a native? I thought you're here as part of the U.S. Army or something like that. Well then einen guten Abend, nativer Deutscher und schöne Grüße aus dem Teutoburgerwald! :-D

90 haakondahl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:40:12pm

re: #71 jaunte

Bolstering the tatters of his Authority.

I don't know that it's him, is the thing. It could well be, but I think it's a cult of personality thing, an incipient worship by idiots of lunacy.

91 calcajun  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:41:21pm

BBL.

92 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:41:52pm
93 callahan23  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:42:09pm

re: #89 mrbaracuda

Oh you are a native? I thought you're here as part of the U.S. Army or something like that. Well then einen guten Abend, nativer Deutscher und schöne Grüße aus dem Teutoburgerwald! :-D

It is the Saarland with me yet I am not a native to the region. ;-) Norddeutschland - Werder!

94 jaunte  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:42:18pm

re: #90 haakondahl

I agee, it's his supporters that need to attach the title to his name for a little extra credibility.

95 haakondahl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:42:42pm

re: #72 Dar ul Harb

Well, Obama got elected, despite his underwhelming qualifications, didn't he? But I wasn't alluding to the Republican ticket. Maybe Paul would run as a Ross Perot-like spoiler.

With friends like Huckabee, who needs Ron Paul?

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:43:16pm

re: #75 MandyManners

Gotta' go sear my roast. bbiab

That what you kids are calling it nowadays?

97 haakondahl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:44:18pm

re: #78 Charles

j. Some of us tried to blow the whistle, to no avail.

To some avail. Or you'd have quit long ago. Thanks for the hard work, by the way.

98 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:44:25pm

re: #94 jaunte

I guess I remembered the conversation yesterday or when it was incorrectly; there were some talking about how they were stationed around where you are. How come you're down there if I may ask? Trying to prevent the Saarland from certain Lafondoom? :-D

99 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:44:29pm

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That what you kids are calling it nowadays?

Sorry, too late.

100 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:45:04pm
101 UncleRancher  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:45:55pm

Could have told you that. This is not a new discovery or even very well hidden.

102 callahan23  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:46:18pm

re: #92 buzzsawmonkey

Who is this B.L. Zebub I've been hearing about?

Beelzebub from Wiktionary

Etymology
From Latin Beelzebūb, used in the Vulgate to translate Ancient Greek βεελζεβούβ and Hebrew בעל זבוב (ba‘al-z'būb, “fly-lord”) (mentioned in 2 Kings i as "the god of Ekron").

// Don't think you need this piece of knowledge though.

103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:46:46pm

re: #99 Dar ul Harb

dam

104 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:46:58pm

re: #80 talon_262

Which one, the fly one? LoL. Hadn't seen that depiction yet, but that one is funny.

105 Racer X  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:47:07pm

I was at the post office yesterday and ran into a couple Lyndon LaRouche supporters out front. Posters with Obama with a Hitler mustache, pamphlets on how 9/11 was an inside job, etc.

I gave the deranged chick an earful before she asked me to leave. She didn't like it when I explained to her that, yes, Obama is a fool, but you have to be careful on who you associate with. I told her she and her followers were making the rest of us look as nuts as they are, and I did not appreciate it.

106 TedStriker  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:47:17pm

re: #78 Charles

j. Some of us tried to blow the whistle, to no avail.

WE HAVE A WINNAH!1!11!!1!

;-p

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:47:32pm

re: #99 Dar ul Harb

Sorry, too late.

Sorry. Didn't see it. Was busy vacuuming out my washing machine.

Yep. You read that right.

108 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:47:48pm

re: #44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Plus, remember the Democrats who showed up at a convention with the "Sara Palin is a C**t" T-shirts?

I haven't heard that they were thrown out of the Democrats.

No standards.

It is a problem.

109 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:47:51pm
110 MarineMomSue  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:47:55pm

re: #100 MikeySDCA

I think buzzsawmonkey was being facetious, Mikey

111 Cathypop  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:48:08pm

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why???

112 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:48:46pm

re: #105 Racer X

Posters with Obama with a Hitler mustache

How lame. The least they could do is this. :-D

113 Racer X  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:49:26pm

re: #108 Ojoe

Plus, remember the Democrats who showed up at a convention with the "Sara Palin is a C**t" T-shirts?

I haven't heard that they were thrown out of the Democrats.

No standards.

It is a problem.

Thrown out? Hell, they were cheered on. There are posters here who stop just short of calling her the C word.

114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:49:34pm

re: #111 Cathypop

Needed it.

115 irongrampa  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:49:59pm

Watching Fox, and listening to a clip of Obama saying victory in A-stan isn't really necessary. By golly, if you wanted to hear a real morale booster, then THAT'S just the ticket.

He just cranked the Obama Disgust Syndrome up a half-dozen notches.

116 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:49:59pm

re: #58 zombie

Yes it sums it up: Time for a new centrist party.

117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:50:01pm

re: #113 Racer X

Waaay short.

118 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:50:03pm

re: #105 Racer X

I was at the post office yesterday and ran into a couple Lyndon LaRouche supporters out front. Posters with Obama with a Hitler mustache, pamphlets on how 9/11 was an inside job, etc.

I gave the deranged chick an earful before she asked me to leave. She didn't like it when I explained to her that, yes, Obama is a fool, but you have to be careful on who you associate with. I told her she and her followers were making the rest of us look as nuts as they are, and I did not appreciate it.

What do you mean she asked you to leave? ...the front of a US Post Office? ...a place you have a right to be?

119 callahan23  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:50:19pm

re: #78 Charles

j. Some of us tried to blow the whistle, to no avail.

It is thousands of people reading this site and several dozens regularly commenting. You and your site make a difference. We, the Lizards do try 'n get the word out ourselves it is small and tedious work yet it is really worth it.

120 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:50:22pm

re: #109 buzzsawmonkey

re: #102 callahan23

Thanks, guys. I'm well aware that "Beelzebub" = "Lord of the Flies," and is a demonic figure often conflated with the Satan.

I just thought that it would be amusing to alter the name to something that one might find on a business card.


How about Stan?

121 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:51:25pm

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry. Didn't see it. Was busy vacuuming out my washing machine.

Yep. You read that right.

What did you do...wash a box of Kleenex?

122 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:51:25pm

What happened to Rick Santelli, anyway? That's the first time I ever heard the words "Tea Party" uttered in connection to Obama's policies, but that side of the movement seems to have been smothered under a pillow at this point.

123 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:51:46pm

re: #120 Cannadian Club Akbar

How about Stan?

Do you mean Louis Cyphre? (from the movie "Angel Heart")

124 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:51:57pm

re: #113 Racer X

Standards, or barbarianism, take your pick.

125 Racer X  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:52:35pm

re: #118 unrealizedviewpoint

What do you mean she asked you to leave? ...the front of a US Post Office? ...a place you have a right to be?

Yes. I found it humorous. I did not wish to get into a nasty debate with some knuckle-head so i just laughed at her and left. The stupid was strong. Her wimpy boyfriend just stood their and did not say a word to support her.

126 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:52:45pm

re: #123 reine.de.tout

Do you mean Louis Cyphre? (from the movie "Angel Heart")

Someone misspelled satan Stan once.

127 MarineMomSue  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:53:27pm

re: #109 buzzsawmonkey

re: #102 callahan23

I just thought that it would be amusing to alter the name to something that one might find on a business card.

It made me laugh.. LOL

128 Racer X  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:54:12pm

PIFW

129 callahan23  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:54:26pm

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry. Didn't see it. Was busy vacuuming out my washing machine.
Yep. You read that right.

The cat doin' a sleep-over in the washing machine?

130 JustMyView  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:54:55pm

re: #77 mrbaracuda

Hey callahan; as a non-native, would you say that Germans generally dislike all things America? :-(

This survey of attitudes toward America in various parts o the world indicates that Germans have recently come to view America more favorably.

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:54:57pm

re: #121 unrealizedviewpoint

Leaves. Garage got some water. Leaves clogged the drain. Water in the basement carpet. Threw towels on the floor to start the dry up.

Picked up a blanket in the garage that had gotten wet, and the towels that had been in the floor (eeew, they stunk) put it all in the wash.

Little did I know that about a bushel basket of leaves was in the blanket hiding from me. 10,000,000 little bitty pieces of leaf left in the washer.

132 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:55:14pm

re: #108 Ojoe

Plus, remember the Democrats who showed up at a convention with the "Sara Palin is a C**t" T-shirts?

I haven't heard that they were thrown out of the Democrats.

No standards.

It is a problem.

I'm still trying to figure out how you throw someone out of a political party. A private, organized event, I can see, but a party - I just don't know what process is in place for doing that.

I'd honestly like to know what we can do here.

133 UncleRancher  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:55:24pm

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry. Didn't see it. Was busy vacuuming out my washing machine.

Yep. You read that right.

I only do that on Thursdays.

134 mrbaracuda  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:56:02pm

re: #130 JustMyView

Interesting. Well, they sure love their new president, LoL.

135 jaunte  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:56:23pm

re: #122 capitalist piglet

What happened to Rick Santelli, anyway? That's the first time I ever heard the words "Tea Party" uttered in connection to Obama's policies, but that side of the movement seems to have been smothered under a pillow at this point.

He apparently disclaimed any connection:

First of all let me be clear that I have NO affiliation or association with any of the websites or related tea party movements that have popped up as a result of my comments on February 19th, or to the best of my knowledge any of the people who organized the websites or movements.[Link: www.cnbc.com...]


CNBC's parent, GE did get about $139 billion from the government in loan guarantees.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

136 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:56:42pm

re: #132 capitalist piglet

Well If I started a new party I'd publish a sheet of rules for joining & participating & I'd crib from the military, something about a code of conduct ...

137 TedStriker  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:56:53pm

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Leaves. Garage got some water. Leaves clogged the drain. Water in the basement carpet. Threw towels on the floor to start the dry up.

Picked up a blanket in the garage that had gotten wet, and the towels that had been in the floor (eeew, they stunk) put it all in the wash.

Little did I know that about a bushel basket of leaves was in the blanket hiding from me. 10,000,000 little bitty pieces of leaf left in the washer.

Doncha hate that?

;-P

138 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:57:15pm

So, these nut cases (can they be classified as anything less) build a whole world scenario around the Illuminati, and organization that was in existence for 10 years with absolutely NO historical proof that they continued to exist after that 10 year period.

Any usage we have seen in the last 100 years is purely modern usage, by some contemporary creators of a few secret societies, with no providence to the source.

Quick, get a net.

139 Racer X  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:57:17pm

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Leaves. Garage got some water. Leaves clogged the drain. Water in the basement carpet. Threw towels on the floor to start the dry up.

Picked up a blanket in the garage that had gotten wet, and the towels that had been in the floor (eeew, they stunk) put it all in the wash.

Little did I know that about a bushel basket of leaves was in the blanket hiding from me. 10,000,000 little bitty pieces of leaf left in the washer.

Yikes! That sucks.

At least they are now clean.

140 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:57:18pm

re: #125 Racer X

Yes. I found it humorous. I did not wish to get into a nasty debate with some knuckle-head so i just laughed at her and left. The stupid was strong. Her wimpy boyfriend just stood their and did not say a word to support her.

In reality you did more than I ever do. I just walk by the loons smiling ear to ear. They know I'm laughing at them. But maybe not, maybe they think I'm as loony as them, smiling and all...

141 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:57:56pm

Life in the cuckoo zone.

142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:58:33pm

re: #139 Racer X

The blanket, the towels... clean as a whistle (2 cycles bleachin' the crap out of them)
The leaves? Not so much... they're inside the dirty vacuum cleaner bag.

143 irongrampa  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:58:53pm

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Here in the Adirondacks, we dont wash our leaves. A simple light dusting is sufficient.

144 Racer X  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:59:39pm

re: #140 unrealizedviewpoint

In reality you did more than I ever do. I just walk by the loons smiling ear to ear. They know I'm laughing at them. But maybe not, maybe they think I'm as loony as them, smiling and all...

I had to say something. I just could not let her finish her day without knowing that there were people out there who dislike Obama and also think she is a freaking nut-job.

I walked away with a smile on my face.

145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 1:59:57pm

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

The Illuminati was just a plot device used by that Brown guy. You know, the guy who screwed up Katrina.

Think he married Whitney Houston. She lives in Texas.

146 UncleRancher  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:00:03pm

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Leaves. Garage got some water. Leaves clogged the drain. Water in the basement carpet. Threw towels on the floor to start the dry up.

Picked up a blanket in the garage that had gotten wet, and the towels that had been in the floor (eeew, they stunk) put it all in the wash.

Little did I know that about a bushel basket of leaves was in the blanket hiding from me. 10,000,000 little bitty pieces of leaf left in the washer.

Had a similar problem when my son came back from his Alaska fishing adventure. Had to wash his stuff 6 times to get rid of the smell and then ran 4 more runs with nothing in there but more soap to get the smell out of the washer.

147 unrealizedviewpoint  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:00:16pm

re: #143 irongrampa

Here in the Adirondacks, we dont wash our leaves. A simple light dusting is sufficient.

Here in CA we wash our leaves on the tree.

148 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:00:34pm

re: #126 Cannadian Club Akbar

Someone misspelled satan Stan once.

I know.
And so I threw in a misspelling of "lucifer", to go with B.L.Zebub and "Stan".

149 zombie  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:01:15pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Close, but you're a little bit off on this part...


The infrastructure for the Tea Parties was already in place. Paulians and Truthers have been having Tea Parties for years. When normal conservatives discovered the idea they inadvertently ended up joining a Paulian movement. That's why so many of the local and national Tea Party organizers and bloggers are Paulians. They were already in place by the time normal conservatives joined.

Quite unfortunate.

A little "due diligence" was in order.

This reminds me exactly of what happened first with the anti-nuke movement of the late '50s, and then the with anti-Vietnam War movement of the mid- (repeat: mid-) '60s. Both started out as legitimate and respectable political opinions -- and then the extremists came in and led the movement astray, discrediting all the normal people who stayed on in the process.

(What happened of course is that many if not most of the normal people bailed out once they realized the communists were leading their parade. And that's what happening now in reverse: People are bailing out of the Tea Party movement now that they're realizing that too many crazies are in their midst. It seems to late to do a big "purge" of the crazies -- there are too many of them involved now.)

150 haakondahl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:02:04pm

re: #125 Racer X

Yes. I found it humorous. I did not wish to get into a nasty debate with some knuckle-head so i just laughed at her and left. The stupid was strong. Her wimpy boyfriend just stood their and did not say a word to support her.

He's just in it for the chicks.

151 zombie  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:02:33pm

re: #78 Charles

j. Some of us tried to blow the whistle, to no avail.

Whistleblowers play an essential role in society. Unfortunately, they're rarely popular. Nobody likes the bearer of bad news. It takes guts to be that person.

152 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:02:42pm

re: #135 jaunte

CNBC's parent, GE did get about $139 billion from the government in loan guarantees.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

Thank you, jaunte - Santelli's Rant was the reason I became interested, so I was really wondering about that. Informative - thanks.

153 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:03:28pm

Craziness from Ron Paul? I'm shocked...

OT: Senator Conrad says Dems need help from Republican Senators to pass Health care.

"Look, there are not the votes for Democrats to do this just on our side of the aisle," said Sen. Kent Conrad, the chairman of the powerful budget committee.

60 Democrats aren't enough?

154 MarineMomSue  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:03:36pm

re: #132 capitalist piglet

I agree, C/P. (see my #56) You can't throw somebody out of a political party. Can't you just see the rush to the courthouse steps with lawsuits in hand, if some party tried?

155 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:05:44pm

re: #115 irongrampa

Watching Fox, and listening to a clip of Obama saying victory in A-stan isn't really necessary. By golly, if you wanted to hear a real morale booster, then THAT'S just the ticket.

He just cranked the Obama Disgust Syndrome up a half-dozen notches.


Please, please, please tell me he didn't say that. If victory isn't necessary, what is?

156 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:06:17pm

OT-

Ok, Al Gore, get you big ass up here and take a look at what is going on in Colorado. We have had a Pacific Northwest styled rainy summer and currently, at 8000 feet outside of the Secret Mountain Lair, it is drizzly and 55 degrees, ON FUCKING JULY 26, 2009 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER.

I don't crave 100 degree days, but this is silly. Al, go find a new disaster to complain about because global warming is not coming to a country near you anytime soon.

157 irongrampa  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:06:44pm

re: #154 MarineMomSue

Iirc, David Duke got heaved out of the GOP because of his Klan membership. Must be a link somewhere about that, I can't help with any links to ANYTHING.

158 lobo91  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:06:47pm

re: #153 Jim in Virginia

Craziness from Ron Paul? I'm shocked...

OT: Senator Conrad says Dems need help from Republican Senators to pass Health care.


60 Democrats aren't enough?

I think the point is that they won't get all 60 of them to vote for cloture. There are Blue Dogs in the Senate, who are just as opposed to this train wreck as the ones in the House

159 MarineMomSue  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:07:17pm

re: #139 Racer X

Yikes! That sucks.

At least they are now clean.

I never wash our leaves. Is this a new environmental mandate?

///

160 JustMyView  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:07:47pm

re: #115 irongrampa

Watching Fox, and listening to a clip of Obama saying victory in A-stan isn't really necessary. By golly, if you wanted to hear a real morale booster, then THAT'S just the ticket.

He just cranked the Obama Disgust Syndrome up a half-dozen notches.

Don't get too bent out of shape. As was discussed last night, Gen. Petraeus made a very similar statement re Iraq.

161 haakondahl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:07:54pm

re: #154 MarineMomSue

I agree, C/P. (see my #56) You can't throw somebody out of a political party. Can't you just see the rush to the courthouse steps with lawsuits in hand, if some party tried?

Actually, I don't think that would be a problem. Political parties are given enormous leeway (McCain/Feingold notwithstanding), and can largely do whatever they please internally. The hard part is that neither party has the mechanism to perform such an exorcism. It would strengthen the third-party types enormously, which would be an awful drawback--parliaments are susceptible to runaways in a way that our system is not.

162 irongrampa  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:08:04pm

re: #159 MarineMomSue

Why yes, it's a green thing, you see.

163 calcajun  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:09:08pm

How does one join a secret society? Is there a directory? How do you get on the mailing list? I mean, I want to find the one secret society that's right for me./

164 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:09:25pm

re: #160 JustMyView

Don't get too bent out of shape. As was discussed last night, Gen. Petraeus made a very similar statement re Iraq.

I shit in my pants, does that make it alright for you to do it?

165 lobo91  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:09:41pm

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

OT-

Ok, Al Gore, get you big ass up here and take a look at what is going on in Colorado. We have had a Pacific Northwest styled rainy summer and currently, at 8000 feet outside of the Secret Mountain Lair, it is drizzly and 55 degrees, ON FUCKING JULY 26, 2009 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER.

I don't crave 100 degree days, but this is silly. Al, go find a new disaster to complain about because global warming is not coming to a country near you anytime soon.

Tell me about it. I'm trying to watch the Rockies game, and I lost the satellite feed for about 20 minutes because of the weather in the Springs.

It takes some serious cloud cover for that to happen. We've had this system for 2 years, and this is only the third time it's ever gone out.

166 MarineMomSue  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:09:51pm

re: #155 Jim in Virginia

My son (about to deploy) will be so pleased to learn he's going there for no real purpose.

167 TedStriker  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:10:09pm

re: #153 Jim in Virginia

Craziness from Ron Paul? I'm shocked...

OT: Senator Conrad says Dems need help from Republican Senators to pass Health care.

60 Democrats aren't enough?

Because that are enough Blue Dogs in both the House and the Senate to put passage of ObamaCare in jeopardy, so they're looking to pull in liberal Republicans to make it work (and to get some of this mess on the GOP as a bonus).

168 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:11:58pm

re: #159 MarineMomSue

I never wash our leaves. Is this a new environmental mandate?

///

Drought this year in Texas is so bad they fine you for washing your leaves. Second time is a hanging offense.

169 TedStriker  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:12:29pm

re: #167 talon_262

PIMF...meant "Because there are enough Blue Dogs..."

170 lobo91  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:13:19pm

re: #161 haakondahl

Actually, I don't think that would be a problem. Political parties are given enormous leeway (McCain/Feingold notwithstanding), and can largely do whatever they please internally. The hard part is that neither party has the mechanism to perform such an exorcism. It would strengthen the third-party types enormously, which would be an awful drawback--parliaments are susceptible to runaways in a way that our system is not.

A party can certainly throw out officeholders, or prevent a candidate from running under their party, but there's no way to kick out other people.

171 irongrampa  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:13:28pm

re: #166 MarineMomSue

Please tell him from this Armyvet to keep his head down, ears open and GET SOME.

And pass on my sincere thanks.

172 callahan23  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:14:05pm

re: #166 MarineMomSue

My son (about to deploy) will be so pleased to learn he's going there for no real purpose.

I would like to thank your son for his service and you for being his mother.
All the best to him and I wish him to have always a hands width of water below his keel.

173 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:14:09pm

re: #75 MandyManners

Gotta' go sear my roast. bbiab

I'm making falafel.

174 haakondahl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:14:46pm

Whale found dead on cruise ship bow

Spanish fly.

175 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:15:33pm

re: #165 lobo91

Tell me about it. I'm trying to watch the Rockies game, and I lost the satellite feed for about 20 minutes because of the weather in the Springs.

It takes some serious cloud cover for that to happen. We've had this system for 2 years, and this is only the third time it's ever gone out.

I'm sitting here in a sweater right now. Granted, I'm a little higher up now than I was before, but your right, the cloud cover has been a large constant one, not like those typical tight cells that move across and throw off a 10 minutes rain.

This looks more like Portland.

176 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:16:46pm

Thunder now.

177 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:17:00pm

Health care for non-disabled, participating citizens; rationed for those who are disabled or otherwise "non-participating"?

I wonder how much actual authority to affect policy these two have.

Advisors want to ration care:

. . . Start with Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. He has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.

Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free. "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change," he wrote last year (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008).

Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, "as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others" (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008).

Yes, that's what patients want their doctors to do. But Emanuel wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their patients and consider social justice, such as whether the money could be better spent on somebody else.

Many doctors are horrified by this notion; they'll tell you that a doctor's job is to achieve social justice one patient at a time.

Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96).

Translation: Don't give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson's or a child with cerebral palsy.

. . .

Dr. David Blumenthal, another key Obama adviser, agrees. He recommends slowing medical innovation to control health spending.

Blumenthal has long advocated government health-spending controls, though he concedes they're "associated with longer waits" and "reduced availability of new and expensive treatments and devices" (New England Journal of Medicine, March 8, 2001). But he calls it "debatable" whether the timely care Americans get is worth the cost. (Ask a cancer patient, and you'll get a different answer. Delay lowers your chances of survival.)

178 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:18:43pm

re: #157 irongrampa

Iirc, David Duke got heaved out of the GOP because of his Klan membership. Must be a link somewhere about that, I can't help with any links to ANYTHING.

I could be mistaken, but I thought the party just refused to support him in any of his election efforts. I don't know that they can tell someone they can't be a Republican though.

You'd think there would be a way to force Ron Paul to self-identify as a libertarian (as he once did, if I'm not wrong) - I don't know that withholding cash would do any good in his case, since he seems to be able to raise plenty.

179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:19:24pm

Dear 0'bama...

The President of the United States is the one person, above all people, who needs to learn when to keep his pie-hole closed.

Sincerely Yours,

FBV

180 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:19:48pm
181 lobo91  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:20:36pm

re: #177 reine.de.tout

Health care for non-disabled, participating citizens; rationed for those who are disabled or otherwise "non-participating"?

I wonder how much actual authority to affect policy these two have.

Advisors want to ration care:

I can't believe they got the AARP to sign on to the Obamacare disaster.

Medicare recipients are the first people who are going to be screwed by this scheme. Apparently, they aren't capable of doing basic math.

182 callahan23  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:22:00pm

re: #177 reine.de.tout

I need to alter 'The Other Les' ' classic comment:

Scratch a "progressive" and you will usually find a tyrannophile.

To amend it to:

Scratch a "progressive" and you will usually find a humane-nophobe.
183 Truck Monkey  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:22:43pm

re: #166 MarineMomSue

My son (about to deploy) will be so pleased to learn he's going there for no real purpose.

Vietnam redux. If victory is not the 'goal', then what is?

184 irongrampa  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:24:06pm

re: #178 capitalist piglet

I'm thinking it was because of his espousal of the Klan, that the GOP said -in effect-we don't endorse that and no longer support you in any way. Going by memory here , so it could be inaccurate. Didn't make any effort to retain the info, as he never had anything to do with my district.

185 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:24:27pm

Please bear with me if someone's already thought of this. The next time you encounter a Paulian, hit him with the information you've gleaned from researching Infowars, PrisonPlanet and David Icke's site. Go into the accusations about Jekyll Island, the Rothschilds and Illuminati. Ask him point-blank if he believes that Jews control everything. Ask him if Hitler was a tool of the Rothschilds.

186 TedStriker  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:25:39pm

re: #177 reine.de.tout

Health care for non-disabled, participating citizens; rationed for those who are disabled or otherwise "non-participating"?

I wonder how much actual authority to affect policy these two have.

Advisors want to ration care:

G-d help us if even one scintilla of this article is true...this needs to be made known, far and wide.

187 Pianobuff  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:26:08pm

re: #177 reine.de.tout

Health care for non-disabled, participating citizens; rationed for those who are disabled or otherwise "non-participating"?

I wonder how much actual authority to affect policy these two have.

Advisors want to ration care:

What a coincidence. I was just reading about these two technocrats a few minutes ago.

For anyone curious, I suggest googling the term "comparative effectiveness research".

Given current members of the Czar Chamber, not to mention the family connection right inside the White House, I would not be surprised if they are quite influential in formulating policy. Who knows, maybe they'll end up being part of Obama's new proposed life and death board if Obamacare is passed.

188 callahan23  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:26:19pm

re: #182 callahan23

To amend it to:

Scratch a "progressive" and you will usually find a humane-nophobe misanthrope.

PIMF, FTF me

189 calcajun  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:26:39pm

re: #177 reine.de.tout

Again-- this will end up in a program where the poor and elderly are administered to death.

190 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:27:09pm

Ask him if Pres. Bush and Prince William are of the Illuminati. (There are sites out there that claim this and show both men giving the sign with the forefinger and pinky extended and the thumb and inner two fingers tucked inward.) Ask him if Queen Elizabeth is a shape-shifting alien.

191 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:27:32pm

re: #183 Truck Monkey

Vietnam redux. If victory is not the 'goal', then what is?

That story is bogus. If you read his actual statements (not Fox's stupid headline) it's easy to understand what he means. It's not that different that what Machael Yon says about Afghanistan.

192 MarineMomSue  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:27:32pm

re: #161 haakondahl

Actually, I don't think that would be a problem. Political parties are given enormous leeway (McCain/Feingold notwithstanding), and can largely do whatever they please internally. The hard part is that neither party has the mechanism to perform such an exorcism. It would strengthen the third-party types enormously, which would be an awful drawback--parliaments are susceptible to runaways in a way that our system is not.

I agree that we don't have a mechanism to do it. That was my point.

"... the mechanism to perform such an exorcism." I love this phrase! Exorcism is the perfect metaphor.

193 Truck Monkey  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:27:46pm

re: #189 calcajun

Again-- this will end up in a program where the poor and elderly are administered to death.

The Won will have to appoint a 'death' czar. Is Kervorkian still around?

194 irongrampa  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:28:45pm

re: #190 MandyManners


Is it okay to just point and laugh?

Loudly?

195 haakondahl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:29:22pm

re: #166 MarineMomSue

My son (about to deploy) will be so pleased to learn he's going there for no real purpose.

I know this is tough, but you're going to have to start ignoring the media on Afghanistan. I started to blog at the beginning of my tour, but knocked it off, as I was uncomfortable about the whole thing--I'll resume from home, when I get there, which should be Real Soon Now.

Afghanistan

The Media

Before I even came over here, I tried to harden my family against, of all things, the corrosive and morale-sapping efforts of "our" media.

The Marines have been kicking ass over here. Not that you'd know it from the news.

196 lobo91  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:29:51pm

re: #186 talon_262

G-d help us if even one scintilla of this article is true...this needs to be made known, far and wide.

There's nothing secret about it. They've made it quite clear that they plan to pay for at leat 1/3 of the cost of Obamacare by cutting Medicare spending, at the same time that Medicare enrollments are going to skyrocket due to the number of baby boomers who will become eligible.

That can only mean one thing: Rationing.

197 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:30:54pm

re: #190 MandyManners

Even I try my best to avoid talking to these people in real life. They're Truthers and conspiracy nuts with an entirely different reality than the rest of us. It's pretty pointless to try to use logic with them.

198 Truck Monkey  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:30:56pm

re: #195 haakondahl

Thank you for your service!

199 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:31:04pm

re: #186 talon_262

G-d help us if even one scintilla of this article is true...this needs to be made known, far and wide.

That NY Post editorial makes reference to a 6/18/08 article in JAMA by Ezekial Emanuel; I can't get access to the full article, but there is an article entitled "The Perfect Storm of Overutilization", but Ezekial Emanuel and Victor Fuchs. Here is a link to the first few paragraphs of the article

200 haakondahl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:32:38pm

re: #182 callahan23

I need to alter 'The Other Les' ' classic comment:

Scratch a "progressive" and you will usually find a tyrannophile.


Or:

Scratch a "progressive" and you will usually find a tranny.
201 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:34:18pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

I shit in my pants, does that make it alright for you to do it?

You want her to poop in your pants?

202 haakondahl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:35:03pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Even I try my best to avoid talking to these people in real life. They're Truthers and conspiracy nuts with an entirely different reality than the rest of us. It's pretty pointless to try to use logic with them.

Even you?

203 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:35:04pm

re: #178 capitalist piglet

I could be mistaken, but I thought the party just refused to support him in any of his election efforts. I don't know that they can tell someone they can't be a Republican though.

You'd think there would be a way to force Ron Paul to self-identify as a libertarian (as he once did, if I'm not wrong) - I don't know that withholding cash would do any good in his case, since he seems to be able to raise plenty.

Anyone can register R or D and run anywhere, usually if it's a loon the party will actively move to replace them. In the case of a loon who can raise cash however, they don't always do that. RP can tap the survivalist/militia/religious right/ dominionist and paleocon sugardaddys in the SW pretty well for cash. He's got that wired.

204 haakondahl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:35:38pm

re: #198 Truck Monkey

Thank you for your service!

No sweat. Thanks for your support.

205 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:35:40pm

re: #173 Alouette

I'm making falafel.

Gonna' add taters, onions, carrots and celery in about an hour and serve it with fresh purple-hull peas and my dad's gonna' fry some okra.

206 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:35:50pm
207 NY Nana  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:36:37pm

re: #182 callahan23

AARP is so far left that they must tilt leftward when they walk.

Irony: we belong, albeit unwillingly, but it costs less, and since I am a Type II Diabetic, on insulin, and NY Grampa is a Type II, on no diabetes meds, thank G-d, it actually is the best deal. The magazine? Right into recycling.

And the MD's here, of all people, are selling themselves to the devil AARP.

I am terrified, literally, about what The One will do to senior citizens, especially those of us who have any medical problems.

/I wonder if he will throw his mother in law under the bus.

208 callahan23  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:37:40pm

re: #200 haakondahl

Or:
Scratch a "progressive" and you will usually find a tranny.

Thats what I saw today at the ChristopherStreetDay parade in town. Freakin' hilarious in a nice 'n good way.
Even saw an elderly African muslima with a head-scarf watching the whole shebang in rapt attention.
Real good fun and humor.

209 TedStriker  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:38:13pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

I shit in my pants, does that make it alright for you to do it?

Do you Luvs to be Pampers-ed when you do it?

///

210 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:38:29pm

re: #194 irongrampa

Is it okay to just point and laugh?

Loudly?

Not if you want to take the wind out of his sails and start him on the road back to sanity.

211 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:39:09pm

On a serious note, the issue is of course, that we have a reasonably large percentage of the right who are prima facia paranoid delusional.

As to the real conspiracies...

The Paulians are very useful agents in that they draw away from our real plans for total world domination. Little do they know the true might of Remulak and that Zionism is actually a multiplanetary form of domination. You will eat bagels and you will like it! You might ask, why we, the Zionist Occupation of Remulak, don't simply come here with our neutron death rays and take over... The answer is simple. There would be endless questions and endless attempts at revolution that would ultimately be bad for business. NO, everything must go sufficiently to hell for you, that you LOVE us when we take over.

You see, Agent W, flipped the most powerful nation on Earth so far to the right, and so disastrously so, that Agent Obama's policies now seem reasonable to the vast bulk of voters. First, he expended your military might in fritters while chinking away at your economy (After all, there was never a need to carefully watch the few unelected men and women who controlled the flow of most of your planet's wealth...) and after almost eight years in Iraq, a war fought on false pretenses, support for your military is at an all time low.

That way, we could easily install Agent Obama, who will finish the job on your economy while dismantling your military. We wouldn't want any pesky rebellions. Bad for business.

In the mean time, Iran has been left to run amok. Those guys are insane you know - but predictably so. So predictably insane that it takes all of Agent Obama's oratorical skills to keep people from noticing the threat. Of course, Agent W's amazing work, has most people convinced that the word military = aggression, swagger and oppression. Obama could not have done it without W. Ultimately, we will be the "white knights" who save you from an Iran you did nothing about - and you will love us for it!

BWahhhaaahhhaaahhha.


But eventually, people would wake up and see the one two punch that your policies between left and right have given your world. That is why we have agents Paul and Buchannan on the right and Agents Pelosi and Code Pink on the left. That way both sides can be mocked to an extent that anything said by anyone is suspect.

Bwaaahhhaaahhhaaahha.

Ohhh, and keep saying that there is no global warming. Gigatons of greenhouse gasses have no effect... Keep telling yourself that Earthlings! And those of you on the Left, keep telling yourself that letting China and India pollute as much as you, while you pay them to pollute for you will work!

Man, your species is too stupid to own such a nice planet. You will loose it, because you deserve to. But, we are kind masters. We will only take your most beautiful women for ourselves and we will clean up your environment and give you bagels.

AND YOU WILL LOVE US FOR IT!

212 grambo46  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:39:14pm

re: #195 haakondahl

"The Marines have been kicking ass over here. Not that you'd know it from the news."

That has a familiar ring to it. Forty years ago today I was sitting on Monkey Mountain.

Semper Fi. Keep safe and come home.

213 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:39:54pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Even I try my best to avoid talking to these people in real life. They're Truthers and conspiracy nuts with an entirely different reality than the rest of us. It's pretty pointless to try to use logic with them.

Is it using logic with them to point out how far down the road this can carry them? This shit started long before 9-11.

214 snowcrash  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:40:15pm

re: #207 NY Nana
Nana just adding 45 million uninsured people to the system guarantees a soft kind of rationing from just waiting for care. System will be overburdened.

215 lobo91  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:41:19pm

re: #207 NY Nana

AARP is so far left that they must tilt leftward when they walk.

Irony: we belong, albeit unwillingly, but it costs less, and since I am a Type II Diabetic, on insulin, and NY Grampa is a Type II, on no diabetes meds, thank G-d, it actually is the best deal. The magazine? Right into recycling.

And the MD's here, of all people, are selling themselves to the devil AARP.

I am terrified, literally, about what The One will do to senior citizens, especially those of us who have any medical problems.

/I wonder if he will throw his mother in law under the bus.

Ever been to their headquarters in DC?

I got to visit it during a seminar in lobbying that I took about 10 years ago.

I think they'd have a bit of explaining to do if more of their members saw first-hand what their dues are paying for.

216 TedStriker  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:41:28pm

re: #211 LudwigVanQuixote

On a serious note, the issue is of course, that we have a reasonably large percentage of the right who are prima facia paranoid delusional.

As to the real conspiracies...

The Paulians are very useful agents in that they draw away from our real plans for total world domination. Little do they know the true might of Remulak and that Zionism is actually a multiplanetary form of domination. You will eat bagels and you will like it! You might ask, why we, the Zionist Occupation of Remulak, don't simply come here with our neutron death rays and take over... The answer is simple. There would be endless questions and endless attempts at revolution that would ultimately be bad for business. NO, everything must go sufficiently to hell for you, that you LOVE us when we take over.

You see, Agent W, flipped the most powerful nation on Earth so far to the right, and so disastrously so, that Agent Obama's policies now seem reasonable to the vast bulk of voters. First, he expended your military might in fritters while chinking away at your economy (After all, there was never a need to carefully watch the few unelected men and women who controlled the flow of most of your planet's wealth...) and after almost eight years in Iraq, a war fought on false pretenses, support for your military is at an all time low.

That way, we could easily install Agent Obama, who will finish the job on your economy while dismantling your military. We wouldn't want any pesky rebellions. Bad for business.

In the mean time, Iran has been left to run amok. Those guys are insane you know - but predictably so. So predictably insane that it takes all of Agent Obama's oratorical skills to keep people from noticing the threat. Of course, Agent W's amazing work, has most people convinced that the word military = aggression, swagger and oppression. Obama could not have done it without W. Ultimately, we will be the "white knights" who save you from an Iran you did nothing about - and you will love us for it!

BWahhhaaahhhaaahhha.

But eventually, people would wake up and see the one two punch that your policies between left and right have given your world. That is why we have agents Paul and Buchannan on the right and Agents Pelosi and Code Pink on the left. That way both sides can be mocked to an extent that anything said by anyone is suspect.

Bwaaahhhaaahhhaaahha.

Ohhh, and keep saying that there is no global warming. Gigatons of greenhouse gasses have no effect... Keep telling yourself that Earthlings! And those of you on the Left, keep telling yourself that letting China and India pollute as much as you, while you pay them to pollute for you will work!

Man, your species is too stupid to own such a nice planet. You will loose it, because you deserve to. But, we are kind masters. We will only take your most beautiful women for ourselves and we will clean up your environment and give you bagels.

AND YOU WILL LOVE US FOR IT!

ROFLMAO!!!

217 MarineMomSue  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:41:53pm

re: #171 irongrampa

re: #172 callahan23

Thanks, I will pass your kind words onto him.
(His mom appreciates it too!)

218 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:42:16pm

re: #207 NY Nana

AARP is so far left that they must tilt leftward when they walk.

Irony: we belong, albeit unwillingly, but it costs less, and since I am a Type II Diabetic, on insulin, and NY Grampa is a Type II, on no diabetes meds, thank G-d, it actually is the best deal. The magazine? Right into recycling.

And the MD's here, of all people, are selling themselves to the devil AARP.

I am terrified, literally, about what The One will do to senior citizens, especially those of us who have any medical problems.

/I wonder if he will throw his mother in law under the bus.

Nana - I am frightened too.
My medical needs have a cost that exceeds $30,000 a year. I've had the same employer-provided group insurance for 30 years, and right now, thank the good Lord in heaven, I am covered 100% for the major part of that cost.

I am very much afraid that under Obamacare, my insurance plan could no longer take new enrollees, and would have to cease. I would then have to be under Obamacare, and I'm afraid I would be ineligible for the treatment I need, because of my age . . . and if that happens, I believe I will be dead within 5 years, whereas I can expect to live another 20 or 30 with it.

219 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:42:28pm

re: #209 talon_262

Do you Luvs to be Pampers-ed when you do it?

///

Well, I guess justmyview DOES like to, since he never responded to my question.

220 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:42:31pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout

Interesting, I just reread that Fox article again...
Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

Here's Obama's correct assessment of the situation...

"I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur," Obama told ABC News.

The enemy facing U.S. and Afghan forces isn't so clearly defined, he explained.

"We're not dealing with nation states at this point. We're concerned with Al Qaeda and the Taliban, Al Qaeda's allies," he said. "So when you have a non-state actor, a shadowy operation like Al Qaeda, our goal is to make sure they can't attack the United States."


Bin Laden or the Taliban are not going to sit down at the table and sign a surrender agreement. It's simply not a realistic expectation.
Now read the rest of the article...

The United States and Afghanistan are struggling to shore up security in the country, amid increasing violence. The Obama administration this year stepped up U.S. military operations in the country as the U.S. military presence begins to wind down in Iraq.
...
Rising casualties in Afghanistan are raising doubts among U.S. allies about the conduct of the war, forcing some governments to defend publicly their commitments and foreshadowing possible long-term trouble for the U.S. effort to bring in more resources to defeat the Taliban.

Pressure from the public and opposition politicians is growing as soldiers' bodies return home, and a poll released Thursday shows majorities in Britain, Germany and Canada oppose increasing their own troop levels in Afghanistan.

Europeans and Canadians are growing weary of the war -- or at least their involvement in combat operations -- even as Obama is shifting military resources to Afghanistan away from Iraq.
...
The new U.S. emphasis on Afghanistan has raised the level of fighting -- and in turn, the number of casualties. July is already the deadliest month of the war for both U.S. and NATO forces with 63 international troops killed, including 35 Americans and 19 Britons. Most have been killed in southern Afghanistan, scene of major operations against Taliban fighters in areas that had long been sanctuaries.


The rest of the article reads like LLL reporting on Iraq from last year. Fox is not your friend!

221 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:42:52pm

re: #211 LudwigVanQuixote

This did NOT start out as a tool of the Right. During the Bush Administration, Icke and Jones and their idiotic ilk were incredibly anti-Bush.

222 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:43:25pm

re: #214 snowcrash

Nana just adding 45 million uninsured people to the system guarantees a soft kind of rationing from just waiting for care. System will be overburdened.

$74 trillion

/rich people in America don't have that much money to confiscate

223 lurking faith  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:43:49pm

re: #177 reine.de.tout

These scumbags remind me of somebody:

Ghost of Christmas Present: ... But if he is to die, then let him die...! "AND DECREASE THE SURPLUS POPULATION!"

Ebenezer Scrooge: You use my own words against me?

Ghost of Christmas Present: Yes! So perhaps, in the future, you will hold your tongue until you have discovered where the surplus population is, and WHO it is. It may well be that, in the sight of Heaven, you are more worthless and less fit to live than MILLIONS like this poor man's child.

224 callahan23  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:44:02pm

re: #207 NY Nana

AARP is so far left that they must tilt leftward when they walk.
Irony: we belong, albeit unwillingly, but it costs less, and since I am a Type II Diabetic, on insulin, and NY Grampa is a Type II, on no diabetes meds, thank G-d, it actually is the best deal. The magazine? Right into recycling.
And the MD's here, of all people, are selling themselves to the devil AARP.
I am terrified, literally, about what The One will do to senior citizens, especially those of us who have any medical problems.
/I wonder if he will throw his mother in law under the bus.

I am so sorry to hear all that. In those situations I'd wish to be filthy rich to help you guys out. Alas I am rather the opposite. Darn!

225 AuntAcid  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:44:09pm

More "global warming is causing global cooling."

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

226 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:44:10pm

re: #202 haakondahl

Yeah, these people make me furious. I had one encounter with a Truther in an airport a few years ago but other than that I avoid then like the plague. I don't even like being behind someone in traffic with a Ron Paul bumper sticker.

227 lurking faith  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:45:05pm

re: #190 MandyManners

Ask him if Pres. Bush and Prince William are of the Illuminati. (There are sites out there that claim this and show both men giving the sign with the forefinger and pinky extended and the thumb and inner two fingers tucked inward.) Ask him if Queen Elizabeth is a shape-shifting alien.

Prince William is a Longhorns fan? Who knew?

228 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:45:30pm
Youtube Video

/Hirohito wasn't there

229 haakondahl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:46:21pm

re: #212 grambo46

"The Marines have been kicking ass over here. Not that you'd know it from the news."

That has a familiar ring to it. Forty years ago today I was sitting on Monkey Mountain.

Semper Fi. Keep safe and come home.

Absolutely, sir.

230 MarineMomSue  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:46:40pm

re: #195 haakondahl

Not a problem. LOL I learned a LONG time ago not to follow what the MSM reports.

Thank you for your service!

231 Truck Monkey  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:46:41pm

re: #222 Killian Bundy

$74 trillion

/rich people in America don't have that much money to confiscate

Oh, I'm sure they do.
/

232 calcajun  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:46:57pm

re: #201 MandyManners

Kinky. Ill, but kinky.

233 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:47:42pm

re: #149 zombie

Rick Santelli started the "tea party" response to Obama's spending. I have no idea if he knew the name had been taken?

234 Pianobuff  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:47:45pm

re: #221 MandyManners

This did NOT start out as a tool of the Right. During the Bush Administration, Icke and Jones and their idiotic ilk were incredibly anti-Bush.

Ummm... they still are!

235 calcajun  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:47:54pm

re: #222 Killian Bundy

$74 trillion

/rich people in America don't have that much money to confiscate

If this keeps up, they won't keep their money in American and they certainly won't keep it in the form of $.

236 Truck Monkey  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:49:27pm

re: #235 calcajun

If this keeps up, they won't keep their money in American and they certainly won't keep it in the form of $.

Well then we'll just have to incarcerate them.
//

237 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:50:43pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Yeah, these people make me furious. I had one encounter with a Truther in an airport a few years ago but other than that I avoid then like the plague. I don't even like being behind someone in traffic with a Ron Paul bumper sticker.

I live in Connecticut, where r. paul has very few followers. But a couple of weeks ago, I saw a minivan driven by a supporter of crazy ron. It had 4 bumper stickers on the back and two on each SIDE of the van. All I can think of is that if someone puts 8 bumper stickers on their car, including 4 on the sides they must be some sort of fanatical individual. And people like that cause me great concern.

238 haakondahl  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:51:31pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

Yeah, these people make me furious. I had one encounter with a Truther in an airport a few years ago but other than that I avoid then like the plague. I don't even like being behind someone in traffic with a Ron Paul bumper sticker.

Was just wondering why you said "Even I". No big thing, it just scanned as odd.

239 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:53:22pm

re: #234 Pianobuff

Ummm... they still are!

They're anti-TPTB* What I'm trying to get across is that this is not part of the GOP.

*ThePowersThatBe.

240 Buck  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:54:29pm

The truthers or birthers I am scared of the most are the ones who are people I know now. They see that stupid video on the net and start talking all 9/11 truth...or read about Obama... and get all Birther...

All the work I have to do to de-program them, well I just don't know if I will always have the strength...

241 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:55:12pm

I'd love to have a bumper sticker that says, "MY OTHER CAR IS A BLACK HELICOPTER" just to fuck with people's minds.

242 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:55:20pm

re: #221 MandyManners

This did NOT start out as a tool of the Right. During the Bush Administration, Icke and Jones and their idiotic ilk were incredibly anti-Bush.

NO indeed, now that the GOP is in tatters, they are becoming the voice of the right...

BWahhaaahhhaaahhha!!! All according to plan...

And did we mention that there is a spy net already set up, that can monitor all of your electronic transmissions.

Agent Obama never took it down.

Of course not. That way we can stop any pesky rebellions before they get organized.

Bad for business...

Ohhh we are revealing too much...

Soon we will have another entertainer scandal... Won't that be entertaining?

It will be hard to come up with something more diverting then removing agent Jackson, however, our media wing never fails. Right now, we are thinking of publicly marrying Paris Hilton to Lindsy Lohan and then they split bitterly when one of them gets pregnant, followed by a murder suicide.

That should keep your news organizations tied up for about three months. But we are waiting until Iran does it's first nuclear test to pull that one out.

Have a bagel.

243 TedStriker  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:55:42pm

re: #236 Truck Monkey

Well then we'll just have to incarcerate them.
//

Probably not far from the truth, if the Dear Leader and his O-bots get their way...it's not much of a stretch to see them try for some sort of overt confiscation scheme for the "rich" if ObamaCare was put into effect and they couldn't tax enough to cover it.

/tinfoil helmet mode off...G-d, I hope I'm just being overly cynical

244 Pianobuff  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:55:55pm

re: #239 MandyManners

They're anti-TPTB* What I'm trying to get across is that this is not part of the GOP.

*ThePowersThatBe.

Both Clinton and Bush are shape-shifters, according to them.

245 TedStriker  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:56:36pm

re: #241 MandyManners

I'd love to have a bumper sticker that says, "MY OTHER CAR IS A BLACK HELICOPTER" just to fuck with people's minds.

Brilliant!

/Guinness commercial mode off

246 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:57:00pm

re: #242 LudwigVanQuixote

NO indeed, now that the GOP is in tatters, they are becoming the voice of the right...

BWahhaaahhhaaahhha!!! All according to plan...

And did we mention that there is a spy net already set up, that can monitor all of your electronic transmissions.

Agent Obama never took it down.

Of course not. That way we can stop any pesky rebellions before they get organized.

Bad for business...

Ohhh we are revealing too much...

Soon we will have another entertainer scandal... Won't that be entertaining?

It will be hard to come up with something more diverting then removing agent Jackson, however, our media wing never fails. Right now, we are thinking of publicly marrying Paris Hilton to Lindsy Lohan and then they split bitterly when one of them gets pregnant, followed by a murder suicide.

That should keep your news organizations tied up for about three months. But we are waiting until Iran does it's first nuclear test to pull that one out.

Have a bagel.


Can I get it with cream cheese and a giant slice of red onion?

247 opnion  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:57:40pm

Greetings fun seekers. Earlier there was a discussion about whether or not Officer Crowley asked to come to the White House for a beer or if it was Obama's idea.
Iceweasel piosted a link to a Newark paper claiming that it was Crowley.
I had to go out. Did that ever get resolved?

248 Truck Monkey  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:57:46pm

As long as I end up with a Bagel in the end it's all good.
//

249 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:57:46pm

re: #244 Pianobuff

Both Clinton and Bush are shape-shifters, according to them.

And, Queen Elizabeth.

250 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:58:10pm

re: #245 talon_262

Brilliant!

/Guinness commercial mode off

*curtsey*

251 TedStriker  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:59:18pm

re: #248 Truck Monkey

As long as I end up with a Bagel in the end it's all good.
//

A bagel in the end might make it hard to go poop...

///

252 Buck  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:59:27pm

re: #241 MandyManners

I'd love to have a bumper sticker that says, "MY OTHER CAR IS A BLACK HELICOPTER" just to fuck with people's minds.

Sounds good

[Link: gizmodo.com...]

A few more good ones...

I voted for one world government so that you don't have to.

and my fav:

Terrorists are people too.

253 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:00:52pm

re: #252 Buck

Sounds good

[Link: gizmodo.com...]

A few more good ones...

I voted for one world government so that you don't have to.

and my fav:

Terrorists are people too.


Dagnabit. I thought I had thought of it first!

254 Pianobuff  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:01:41pm

re: #218 reine.de.tout

Nana - I am frightened too.
My medical needs have a cost that exceeds $30,000 a year. I've had the same employer-provided group insurance for 30 years, and right now, thank the good Lord in heaven, I am covered 100% for the major part of that cost.

I am very much afraid that under Obamacare, my insurance plan could no longer take new enrollees, and would have to cease. I would then have to be under Obamacare, and I'm afraid I would be ineligible for the treatment I need, because of my age . . . and if that happens, I believe I will be dead within 5 years, whereas I can expect to live another 20 or 30 with it.

You might find this an interesting read, too. There's even a section on Emanuel and Blumenthal.

255 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:02:13pm

re: #252 Buck

Sounds good

[Link: gizmodo.com...]

A few more good ones...

I voted for one world government so that you don't have to.

and my fav:

Terrorists are people too.

It would be interesting to put the one about the one world government on a car with a RP sticker and see the reaction of the owner.

256 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:02:26pm

Gotta' go add my veggies. bbiab

257 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:02:28pm

re: #246 MandyManners

Can I get it with cream cheese and a giant slice of red onion?

Mebst! No lox? What's wrong with the lox? We told Hymie to slice it thin! Are you feeling ok? We don't think you're eating enough. And you never call.

But that's ok... maybe when we take over, you'll notice us, sitting here, alone, with Michael Jackson and Elvis...

258 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:03:48pm

re: #238 haakondahl

Was just wondering why you said "Even I". No big thing, it just scanned as odd.

Ah, I see. I have a reputation around here as being one of the most vocal opponents of Ron Paul.That's only on the internet. Real life encounters are a waste of time.

259 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:04:00pm
260 opnion  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:05:19pm

Is the Beer Bash at the White House set yet?
Apparently Crowley & Obama like Blue Moon Beer.
I wonder will Jimmy, Skip & Barry have a keg, or cans & crush them against their foreheads.
I'll bet Skip asks Jimmy for a ride in the squad car & the chance to turn on the siren.
I do not think that Officer Crowley should go.

261 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:06:11pm

Hillary Clinton: Iran's pursuit of nukes 'futile'

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday that Iran will never achieve its goal of obtaining a nuclear weapon, declaring to Tehran: "Your pursuit is futile."

"What we want to do is to send a message to whoever is making these decisions, that if you're pursuing nuclear weapons for the purpose of intimidating, of projecting your power, we're not going to let that happen," Clinton said.

/I wonder if she clicked her heels three times before saying that

262 grambo46  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:06:25pm

re: #233 FrogMarch

Rick Santelli started the "tea party" response to Obama's spending. I have no idea if he knew the name had been taken?

I watch him all the time (mornings on CNBC - catching futures,earnings, news,etc. before heading to work) and I am convinced he has - or at least had- no notion of who all were involved in the Tea Party ... um, "movement"?
He seems very level-headed and surprised everyone when he did his rant that morning.

263 Truck Monkey  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:07:33pm

re: #256 MandyManners

Gotta' go add my veggies. bbiab

Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays.

264 calcajun  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:08:16pm

re: #249 MandyManners

Notice how you never see them all in the same place at the same time? Spooky.

265 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:08:19pm

re: #259 buzzsawmonkey

Conspiracy theories have no place in the bright loxicon of youth.

Lox conspiracies are bright as novas when not spread to thin.

266 calcajun  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:09:45pm

re: #206 buzzsawmonkey

Always!

267 lobo91  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:10:17pm

re: #261 Killian Bundy

Hillary Clinton: Iran's pursuit of nukes 'futile'


/I wonder if she clicked her heels three times before saying that

More to the point, who, exactly, is "we"?

Nobody seriously believes this administration is going to do anything to stop them.

268 calcajun  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:11:07pm

re: #265 LudwigVanQuixote

Lox conspiracies are bright as novas when not spread to thin.

Shofar, no one has ever been able to prove any real Jewish conspiracy theory. That means that it must be true!

269 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:11:57pm

re: #254 Pianobuff

You might find this an interesting read, too. There's even a section on Emanuel and Blumenthal.

Very good article. A couple of interesting points:

Walk into an electronics store and you will see an array of products that did not exist twenty years ago. The same is true in healthcare, another industry where growth is driven by innovation. Treatments for heart disease and strokes are as unlike care in the 1960s as the new flat screen televisions are unlike the black and white sets of five decades ago. If you had a heart attack in the 1980s and made it to the hospital alive, you still only had a 60 percent chance of surviving until the end of the year. Now your chance is over 90 percent. Your chance of surviving a stroke is more than twice as high as it was three decades ago.

Overall health spending could be reduced by 30 to 40 percent by settling for the standard of cure and symptom relief available to patients in 1960, but there is no demand for 1960s medicine at 1960s prices, say CBO researchers. Families dealing with incurable illnesses go to bed every night hoping the next day will bring a cure. The administration's strategy of slowing new technology in order to restrain spending will make the wait for breakthroughs longer.
270 father_of_10  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:13:14pm

I guess if it wasn't for Troothers, Nirthers and Creationists, CJ and LGF wouldn't have much to comment on.

271 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:15:03pm

re: #268 calcajun

Shofar, no one has ever been able to prove any real Jewish conspiracy theory. That means that it must be true!

NO, We're too careful for that. If it were ever proven, we'ed all get teffillin sad.

Try to beat that one!

272 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:15:45pm

re: #267 lobo91

Nobody seriously believes this administration is going to do anything to stop them.

/they will, however, throw every roadblock available in front of Israel

273 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:16:43pm

re: #261 Killian Bundy

Hillary Clinton: Iran's pursuit of nukes 'futile'


/I wonder if she clicked her heels three times before saying that

you know, she ought to just keep her freaking mouth shut. because the only way iran won't get nukes is if Israel prevents it. and if she is going to talk the talk, but not walk the walk, she just looks like an idiot. Hillary: STFU unless your boss is planning to back up your smack talk.

274 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:18:36pm
275 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:19:46pm

re: #273 _RememberTonyC

the only way iran won't get nukes is if Israel prevents it

/not probable, unless they use ICBMs

276 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:22:53pm

re: #275 Killian Bundy

/not probable, unless they use ICBMs

or sabotage, aided by an insider recruited by mossad

277 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:25:00pm

re: #276 _RememberTonyC

or sabotage, aided by an insider recruited by mossad

/there's always hope

278 J.S.  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:25:42pm

wow. Now if this all had been published through a Canadian website --What a potential gold mine for the HRCs..(and they'd, no doubt, be offering their own, "insightful" commentary..)

279 charlesincharge  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:26:51pm

re: #196 lobo91

There's nothing secret about it. They've made it quite clear that they plan to pay for at leat 1/3 of the cost of Obamacare by cutting Medicare spending, at the same time that Medicare enrollments are going to skyrocket due to the number of baby boomers who will become eligible.

That can only mean one thing: Rationing.

It will mean everything to people who need real health care(the sick). After you reach a certain age all cancers will be "inoperable cancer".Most diseases will be "terminal". The doctor will simply explain "there is nothing medical science can do for you, get your affairs in order, go home, be with your family".

It is happening now in countries with Socialized Medicine. I'm sure 3wood will be recommending
investment in the next big growth industry. The palliative care industry.

280 Pianobuff  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:28:10pm

re: #269 reine.de.tout

Emanuel's book, Healthcare, Guaranteed: A Simple, Secure Solution for America, outlines his vision for healthcare. While I haven't read the book I've read some reviews.

Here's a section from one of them

The underlying theory of health cost containment in Healthcare Guaranteed appears to be that we first need to load everyone into the same leaky boat of basic coverage and then hope that someone later figures out how to row it back to the shoreline of fiscal balance with acceptable health care quality. Pointing to a needed solution isn't the same as ensuring its successful execution. The future roles of insurers and employer plan sponsors--as subcontractors in a GHAP-designed world--remain particularly confusing and limited.

Unfortunately, a number of too-facile budget calculations, economic assumptions, and factoid citations in this book don't stand up to closer scrutiny. In trying to make the macro budget numbers of his GHAP plan add up, Emanuel overcounts the total budget dollars currently spent by Medicaid on similar coverage for the nonelderly (he fails to remove subsidies for dual eligibles and for disabled Medicaid recipients). He also doesn't adjust the comparable premiums for current Federal Employees Health Benefits coverage to account for the cost sharing federal workers would not face under standard GHAP benefits. Emanuel says that the average cost of health benefits for employers is 8.5 percent of payroll; it's actually more than 10 percent. He also assumes that employee wages will increase by the same amount that their former job-based insurance premiums decrease, without adding the offsetting cost of higher federal VAT taxes to that single-entry accounting ledger.:

281 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:29:43pm

re: #247 opnion

Greetings fun seekers. Earlier there was a discussion about whether or not Officer Crowley asked to come to the White House for a beer or if it was Obama's idea.
Iceweasel piosted a link to a Newark paper claiming that it was Crowley.
I had to go out. Did that ever get resolved?

hey opnion-- I noticed the hill is also saying that Crowley purportedly suggested the idea. I think the idea probably came up naturally since Obama and Crowley were already talking about beer, since Crowley was in a pub when Obama called him, according to the earlier story. That context makes it seem more natural to me, at least.

282 butterick  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:30:39pm

It seems to me like the wacko contingent of whatever party isn't in power picks up this torch and runs with it, until they get back in, and then it gets passed back to the opposition. When Bush and the Republicans were in power, it was mostly the crazy left-liberals, and I think people like Alex Jones were actively courting them by being anti-Bush and feeding the fire.

Now that the Democrats are in power, I'm seeing almost none of this conspiracy talk from the left, as the torch has been passed back to the right-fringe kooks.

I'm really quite fascinated by guys like Alex Jones, David Icke and Henry Makow. It's astonishing that people are so... [I can't think of an adjective here]... that they will attach themselves to such a profoundly idiotic and disturbed worldview. Makow's site in particular is scarier than any horror movie I've ever seen.

283 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:31:21pm

re: #270 father_of_10

Love the avatar, GAZE to the commenter.

284 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:32:06pm

re: #281 iceweasel

hey opnion-- I noticed the hill is also saying that Crowley purportedly suggested the idea. I think the idea probably came up naturally since Obama and Crowley were already talking about beer, since Crowley was in a pub when Obama called him, according to the earlier story. That context makes it seem more natural to me, at least.

/wonder why Obama called Crowley?

285 TedStriker  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:40:10pm

re: #270 father_of_10

Go piss up a rope...you've been here long enough to know better.

286 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:40:25pm

re: #270 father_of_10

I guess if it wasn't for Troothers, Nirthers and Creationists, CJ and LGF wouldn't have much to comment on.

I do it just to hear folks like you whine about it. Seems to work.

287 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:42:56pm

re: #284 Killian Bundy

/wonder why Obama called Crowley?

Pure speculation, but I wonder if he heard about the tape and the mulling of the decision whether to release it, and felt he'd better get in there and diffuse the situation with a bit of Ocharm.

Imagine - he comes out in favor of Gates and critical of the police, then the "eff your momma" tape comes out...how does Obama look?

What would happen to ME if I talked to a cop like that?

288 butterick  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:45:56pm

oh my goodness. For a good time, search Google for "vaccine" at the Campaign for Liberty. You find things like this that make me hear a pizzicato violin soundtrack in my head - you know, the kind of creepy crawly music you hear on nature programs when they're showing an ant colony.

289 MarineMomSue  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:48:03pm

re: #287 capitalist piglet


...What would happen to ME if I talked to a cop like that?

You'd be spending your day searching for a bail-bondsmen instead of posting on LGF?

290 Salamantis  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:48:12pm

re: #282 butterick

It seems to me like the wacko contingent of whatever party isn't in power picks up this torch and runs with it, until they get back in, and then it gets passed back to the opposition. When Bush and the Republicans were in power, it was mostly the crazy left-liberals, and I think people like Alex Jones were actively courting them by being anti-Bush and feeding the fire.

Now that the Democrats are in power, I'm seeing almost none of this conspiracy talk from the left, as the torch has been passed back to the right-fringe kooks.

I'm really quite fascinated by guys like Alex Jones, David Icke and Henry Makow. It's astonishing that people are so... [I can't think of an adjective here]... that they will attach themselves to such a profoundly idiotic and disturbed worldview. Makow's site in particular is scarier than any horror movie I've ever seen.

It has often been opined that the party in power gets contemptuous, while the party out of power goes insane.

291 Salamantis  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:49:25pm

How do conspiracy theorists party?

They get their Bohemian Groove on!

292 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:50:48pm

re: #262 grambo46

I watch him all the time (mornings on CNBC - catching futures,earnings, news,etc. before heading to work) and I am convinced he has - or at least had- no notion of who all were involved in the Tea Party ... um, "movement"?
He seems very level-headed and surprised everyone when he did his rant that morning.

That's what I think. I can't say for sure. It's unfortunate that folks who simply want to protest the policies of this tax and spend administration - are all tarred and feathered.

293 Pianobuff  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:51:07pm

re: #287 capitalist piglet

Pure speculation, but I wonder if he heard about the tape and the mulling of the decision whether to release it, and felt he'd better get in there and diffuse the situation with a bit of Ocharm.

Imagine - he comes out in favor of Gates and critical of the police, then the "eff your momma" tape comes out...how does Obama look?

What would happen to ME if I talked to a cop like that?

Gates has already said that the "your momma" line was a product of Crowley's imagination, and likely the result of Crowley watching the TV show Good Times when he was a child.

295 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:57:56pm

re: #293 Pianobuff

Gates has already said that the "your momma" line was a product of Crowley's imagination, and likely the result of Crowley watching the TV show Good Times when he was a child.

I doubt we'll ever know. And that's probably just how Gates and Obama want it.

296 JHW  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 3:59:47pm

Conspiracy theory enthusiasts all seem to have in common a victim mentality coupled with strong feelings of self pity.

297 JustMyView  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:00:08pm

re: #218 reine.de.tout

Nana - I am frightened too.
My medical needs have a cost that exceeds $30,000 a year. I've had the same employer-provided group insurance for 30 years, and right now, thank the good Lord in heaven, I am covered 100% for the major part of that cost.

I am very much afraid that under Obamacare, my insurance plan could no longer take new enrollees, and would have to cease. I would then have to be under Obamacare, and I'm afraid I would be ineligible for the treatment I need, because of my age . . . and if that happens, I believe I will be dead within 5 years, whereas I can expect to live another 20 or 30 with it.

Reine, under the present proposals, as long as your employer continues to ofer coverage, you will continue to be covered. What is happening now, however, is that employers are dropping insurance altogether, purchasing a lower level of service, or increasing deductibles and co-pays because insurance is so expensive. It's that trend that Obama is trying to counter.

Conservatve Republican senators have been on TV in just the past week saying that one out of three of our health care dollars are wasted. That's another pattern that needs to be countered.

Because we are Americans, we like to believe that we have the best heathcare system in the world, but we don't. We have the most expensive healthcare system in the world. And we are not the healthiest people in the world. Many nations have longer average lifespans than we do.

As far as rationing is concerned, we have rationing now--in part based on ability to pay and in part based on underwriting rules such as denial of insurance to people who have pre-existing conditions or recission of benefits to people who develop expensive illnesses. The New Yorker recently published an important article by Atul Gawande, a physician, about the irrationality in our current system. I urge you to take a look at it.

Every respectable health care economist, whether conservative or liberal, acknowledges that costs are expected to increase dramatically in the very near future. It's entirely reasonable to diagree with any given proposal, but saying that we want things to stay the way they are isn't reasonable because (a) things aren't that good for many citizens and (b) things will change or the worse if do nothing.

298 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:00:16pm

re: #295 capitalist piglet

I doubt we'll ever know. And that's probably just how Gates and Obama want it.

An audio tape exists.

/at least it did two days ago

299 butterick  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:05:39pm

re: #290 Salamantis

It has often been opined that the party in power gets contemptuous, while the party out of power goes insane.

That's surely part of it. I also think there's a rather large pool of crazy folks who enjoy being anti and don't involve themselves much in the political process, and their motivation isn't any kind of party loyalty but the desire to see themselves as possessing secret knowledge of how the world really works and the dark forces moving behind the scenes. If they were saner they'd be able to compartmentalize it and just read spy novels instead of trying to live in them.

300 Daria Emmons  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:07:55pm

RON PAUL!

301 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:08:32pm

re: #298 Killian Bundy

An audio tape exists.

/at least it did two days ago

I just find the chess game interesting. Gates and Obama believed, apparently, that they could control the narrative on this. Then the officer and the department called their bluff - then Obama calls the officer personally (in an attempt, I believe, to paper over his mistake and diffuse the potential issue with the taped evidence) - but one would think Gates would stop provoking the police in the press at this point, since Obama has brought the situation to a more neutral place than it was.

I'd love to hear that tape though. I really would.

302 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:09:11pm

re: #296 JHW

Conspiracy theory enthusiasts all seem to have in common a victim mentality coupled with strong feelings of self pity.

There is an extremely cool experiment that was done last year. The researchers used three tests to connect lack of control with hyperactive pattern recognition (i.e., a tendency to believe in superstition and conspiracies).

The upshot is, the more powerless you feel, the more likely you are to perceive patterns where none exist.

link

This is just common sense, in a way, but it's very cool that there's empirical data to support that.

It makes sense that we'd see a burst of conspiracy theories right after 9/11, an event that made many people feel helpless and powerless, and right now, when the economic situation is as bad as it is. Add to that the residual racism being brought out by the election of a black POTUS.

There are always people who are prone to conspiracy theories of course, but external conditions can affect that too.

303 JHW  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:10:12pm

re: #302 iceweasel

Thanks, checking your link now, interesting.

304 butterick  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:10:19pm

re: #296 JHW

Conspiracy theory enthusiasts all seem to have in common a victim mentality coupled with strong feelings of self pity.

Isn't it perfect, then, that they'd ally themselves with a candidate who hasn't a chance in hell of winning? Emotional validation with every failure!

305 solomonpanting  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:11:55pm

re: #297 JustMyView

Many nations have longer average lifespans than we do.

Subtract murder and auto deaths and guess what?

306 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:13:03pm

re: #299 butterick

That's surely part of it. I also think there's a rather large pool of crazy folks who enjoy being anti and don't involve themselves much in the political process, and their motivation isn't any kind of party loyalty but the desire to see themselves as possessing secret knowledge of how the world really works and the dark forces moving behind the scenes. If they were saner they'd be able to compartmentalize it and just read spy novels instead of trying to live in them.

Yes, exactly. Part of the charm of a conspiracy theory to someone who feels powerless is this sense of having secret knowledge, of belonging to one of the elite-- the few who know what's really going on. The fact of being on the fringe and marginalised gets turned into a proof that you must be right. (which fits right into the up-is-down Alice in Wonderland 'logic' conspiracy theorists employ anyway).

307 Pianobuff  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:14:18pm

re: #305 solomonpanting

Subtract murder and auto deaths and guess what?

Bookmarked. I'd never seen that. Thank you.

308 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:16:36pm

re: #303 JHW

Thanks, checking your link now, interesting.

You're welcome! It's terrific stuff for anyone interested in psych, esp the psychology behind irrational beliefs and conspiracy theorists especially.

309 JustMyView  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:18:30pm

re: #305 solomonpanting

Subtract murder and auto deaths and guess what?

Very interesting. But note that the U.S. advantage under these conditions is only a few months, and we pay a great deal for those months.

310 solomonpanting  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:21:07pm

re: #307 Pianobuff

Bookmarked. I'd never seen that. Thank you.

You're welcome. I was just as surprised.
However, the gap between the US and the other high life expectancy nations is almost negligible. Quality of life would seem to rank higher than mere years at this point.

311 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:22:08pm

re: #304 butterick

Isn't it perfect, then, that they'd ally themselves with a candidate who hasn't a chance in hell of winning? Emotional validation with every failure!

Yes, perfectly expressed. It becomes a perpetual emotion machine, heh. The more marginalised, the more it proves they are special. Failure actually means emotional validation.

If we realise that on some deep level, conspiracy theorists would lose their sense of purpose and validation if their pet theory became widespread, it's easy to see why it's pointless to try to argue with them. They're literally self-defeating, in that they don't want widespread agreement with them.

This is also why you get so much crossover in conspiracy theorists. The guy buying into Ickes's rantings about lizard people one year will seamlessly transition to a theory about the Illuminati or something else the next. In a sense, the content of the theory isn't what matters most to them--it's the sense of purpose and emotional fulfillment they get from it.

312 JHW  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:22:19pm

re: #308 iceweasel

One of the reasons I made the comment, just a few hours ago I'd been reading a chapter from this, History of an Obsession remarking on superstitions and conspiracy theories in early to recent Europe and the things they have in common with the subject of this thread is striking to me.

313 Pianobuff  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:23:01pm

re: #310 solomonpanting

You're welcome. I was just as surprised.
However, the gap between the US and the other high life expectancy nations is almost negligible. Quality of life would seem to rank higher than mere years at this point.

Perhaps.

I also think there is much we can do to lower healthcare costs. The current bill out there doesn't do it for me though.

314 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:25:11pm

re: #309 JustMyView

Very interesting. But note that the U.S. advantage under these conditions is only a few months, and we pay a great deal for those months.

47 million uninsured

/so we should pay more, wait longer, and accept lower quality care for the common good?

315 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:27:53pm

re: #312 JHW

One of the reasons I made the comment, just a few hours ago I'd been reading a chapter from this, History of an Obsession remarking on superstitions and conspiracy theories in early to recent Europe and the things they have in common with the subject of this thread is striking to me.

This book looks fascinating! I'm going to get it thanks to you. I just read the 2 reviews there and see that it's positioned as an answer to Goldhagen's Hilter's Willing Executioners; I'll definitely have to check it out.

316 fire at night  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:29:58pm

On the topic of conspiracies, there is a bit of nuttiness going down @ Freep, this time regarding Anne Coulter calling Birthers "cranks" and that she is no longer a conservative.

Sometimes the crazy, it makes your head spin.

317 JHW  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:30:34pm

re: #315 iceweasel

A very good book so far, it does what all good histories should do, give the reader insights into his/her own times and conditions. I think you'll find it interesting.

318 JEA62  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:42:47pm

Wow - these are freakin' GREAT conspirators. Nobody's talked in CENTURIES!! Nixon could've used some of these guys instead of the stooges he relied on...

319 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:46:19pm

re: #302 iceweasel

Thanks for the link! I've bookmarked it.

320 Gus  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:49:30pm

It's bad craziness alright. The guys that put up “Was Hitler an Illuminati Agent?”, fadestyle, is also peddling a Naomi Wolf book. He also has some crazy list that includes:

Essential Infrastructure Alternatives: which need to be controlled by the people.

* Water: with ZERO additives (UV or mild peroxide treatment ok).

* Money: warehouse Deposite Receipts (DRs) can be used localy as money.

* Public communications: WalkieTalky, CB, HAM, WiFi-LAN-Bridges,,, until Infrastructure restored.

Another paranoid fluoride kook but one that wants make believe money and "WalkieTalky" for telecom. I'm surprised he didn't hit on the ChemTrails. That would be a good question to ask Ron Paul: Mr. Paul, do you have any plans for bringing a federal investigation regarding ChemTrails?

The convergence of madness continues with the Paulians.

321 Irenicum  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 4:49:56pm

re: #316 fire at night

It's fun to watch them eat their own!

322 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 5:04:54pm
323 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 5:06:12pm
324 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 5:22:13pm

re: #58 zombie

e. As a result, a series of grassroots anti-tax protests popped up (the "Tea Parties"), originally with no pre-existing affiliation.

This is just not true, as Killgore already pointed out. The remained of you analysis is therefore completely flawed. The kooks didn't take over the tea parties- they mainstreamed them.

325 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 5:22:42pm

Pimf- remainder.

326 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 5:26:55pm

re: #296 JHW

Conspiracy theory enthusiasts all seem to have in common a victim mentality coupled with strong feelings of self pity.

That's for sure. My brother is paralyzed by conspiracy theories. They control his life. And while he's had a relatively easy life- he constantly whines like a baby about how horrible the US is.

327 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 5:30:29pm

From the “Was Hitler an Illuminati Agent?” link: "Hallett writes that Hitler's grandfather was Nathan Meyer Rothschild. Maria Schickelgruber, Hitler's grandmother, was a maid in the Rothschild's Vienna mansion when his father, Alois was conceived "in fear" in a satanic ritual rape." Yep, the Paul supporters are nuts.

328 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 5:30:30pm
329 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 6:50:00pm

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

OT-

Ok, Al Gore, get you big ass up here and take a look at what is going on in Colorado. We have had a Pacific Northwest styled rainy summer and currently, at 8000 feet outside of the Secret Mountain Lair, it is drizzly and 55 degrees, ON FUCKING JULY 26, 2009 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER.

I don't crave 100 degree days, but this is silly. Al, go find a new disaster to complain about because global warming is not coming to a country near you anytime soon.

Ah. I'm not the only one experiencing funky summer weather. It's been outright chilly, windy (occasionally with light drizzle) and overcast - with grey clouds, here in the East Bay. I shudder to think what Indian Summer will be like. Granted, I'd take fog over humidity but some warm weather would be nice. Today was lovely though - in both SF and Oakland.

330 matchngame  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 6:50:40pm

The Ron Paul webpage may have a lot of nutters, but that's a common problem on the internet, and not unique to Ron Paul. This webpage may not want to be associated with all the commenters views posted here, for instance.

331 bobbuck  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 7:11:50pm

So...Dan Brown is really Ron Paul?

332 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 7:12:31pm

re: #330 matchngame

The Ron Paul webpage may have a lot of nutters, but that's a common problem on the internet, and not unique to Ron Paul. This webpage may not want to be associated with all the commenters views posted here, for instance.

# Comments are open and unmoderated, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Little Green Footballs.

# Obscene, abusive, silly, or annoying remarks may be deleted, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their views by Little Green Footballs.

333 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 7:51:19pm

OK Lizardim -

Rep. Ron Paul/a/k/a Luap Nor - ALWAYS FORGETS - that the USA - is THE Superpower of Today. Such a position HAS responsibilities. Our British Cousins will understand this from the time they were the Predominant World Power, no more than about 60 years ago.
In the Ron Paul World, those responsibilities do not exist. There lies HIS problem.
That is all.

-S-

334 bobbuck  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 9:29:30pm

re: #324 Sharmuta

This is just not true, as Killgore already pointed out. The remained of you analysis is therefore completely flawed. The kooks didn't take over the tea parties- they mainstreamed them.

The Tea Parties got traction from the Rick Santelli rant. These accusations that they are based on some anti-Semite Ron Paul conspiracy are just wrong. Very, very wrong. Go talk to some people who went and ask them why they went. It's about normal people who are fed up with high taxes and crazy spending.

335 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 26, 2009 9:35:43pm

re: #334 bobbuck

Tea party events for ron paul have been going on for many years. This is a fact. I don't care who gave them traction, they we're not without "pre-existing affiliation" as was stated.

And I didn't dispute regular Americans want to protest out of control spending. It's unfortunate regular Americans are being bamboozled by these kooks.

336 Land Shark  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 7:52:12am

Ron Paul!

The more I learn about Ron Paul the more disturbing he becomes. Too many questionable, whacked out associations for my taste. On the surface he makes sense at first, then if you're smart enough to look into things the nut jobs behind the myth emerge.

I don't know who I'm more afraid of, Barrack Obama or Ron Paul. I do hope the GOP comes to it's senses and marginalizes Paul, given a choice between him and Obama, none of the above and moving to Australia makes the most sense. Good grief!

337 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 9:33:15am

re: #330 matchngame

The Ron Paul webpage may have a lot of nutters, but that's a common problem on the internet, and not unique to Ron Paul. This webpage may not want to be associated with all the commenters views posted here, for instance.

Registered just to post that, did you?

And it's ridiculous to say that the Campaign for Liberty is no different from any other website. You do NOT find this kind of crap at every site, and you certainly don't find it at LGF.

338 Land Shark  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 9:46:18am

re: #330 matchngame

The problem is that Ron Paul has attracted a large number of nutters and never repudiated them or tried to distance himself from then. I understand he even accepted money from groups with white supremacist tendencies and didn't give the money back even after he was outed.

On the other hand, yes, LGF has attracted it's share of crazies but unlike Ron Paul, Charles has done everything possible to delete them and distance himself from then. Anyone who's spent any amount of time here knows it. Paul on the other hand has never repudiated them or cleaned up his website. Don't lie down with dogs if you don't want to get up with fleas.


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