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Coulter: Nirthers Are Just a Few ‘Cranks’

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Ann Coulter brushes off the nirth certifikit kooks as just a few cranks, nothing to worry about, pay no attention, it’s the media trying to make conservatives look bad again. (Notice, however, that she turns around and throws the cranks a bone at the end.)

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What a lame apology.

Nobody knows exactly how many brains have been infected with the Nirther virus, but when even Rush Limbaugh is quoted at Weird Nut Drooly (aka, Nirther Central) pimping the conspiracy, this is no longer just a few kooks out there on the fringe: Limbaugh: ‘Obama has yet to prove he’s a citizen’.

On his show today, Limbaugh told listeners, “Barack Obama has yet to have to prove that he’s a citizen. All he has to do is show a birth certificate. He has yet to have to prove he’s a citizen. I have to show them 14 different ways where the h—- I am every day of the year for three years.”

Later in the show, Limbaugh showed a video of a woman criticizing Rep. Mike Castle for ignoring the birth certificate issue during a Delaware town meeting. She presented her own birth certificate, signed by a doctor, and asked why Obama hasn’t been compelled to do the same.

“The crowd went nuts,” Limbaugh noted. “There’s all kinds of stuff bubbling up out there.”

And over at Free Republic, hundreds of commenters are now convinced that Ann Coulter is a RINO and a traitor: Ann Coulter Says Obama’s Birth Certificate ‘Not an Issue’; Calls Proponents ‘Cranks’ - Video 7/25/09.

Coulter has gone over to the dark side. Her dark roots are showing.

2 posted on July 26, 2009 11:40:09 AM PDT by nanook (Thomas Jefferson had it right.)

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Anne, you are losing it girl. In fact, I think you have already. There would be No issue if zero would show his Birth Certificate. Until then, stop drinking the dims koolaide
5 posted on July 26, 2009 11:41:29 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (We the people, ….. never)

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Ann Coulter is turning into another Peggy Noonan. It’s very sad.

10 posted on July 26, 2009 11:43:42 AM PDT by jimbo123

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If this is the case, then four questions:

(1) Why did Obama, and his ilk, provide a COUNTERFEIT certificate of live birth which was proven to be a fake?

(2) Why has Obama paid out SO MUCH MONEY to attorneys to SUPPRESS all actions against him to provide certification of his eligibility?

(3) Why did Obama, immediately upon entering office, sign an EXECUTIVE ORDER locking up and restricting ALL ACCESS, with a couple of exceptions to staff members, to his private birth and youth-related documents??

(4) If Obama is truly eligible, by virtue of being a naturalized citizen, to hold the office of President, simply provided the MEDIA AND THE PUBLIC with legitimate documents that put the issue to rest??

Do these sound like the actions and position of a person that does NOT have anything to hide???

12 posted on July 26, 2009 11:46:17 AM PDT by EagleUSA

There are also some anti-Nirthers there, but they’re outnumbered — and these excerpts are just from a quick look through the first page of comments.

Who knows where this craziness will end up — but it’s not going away, and it’s not just “a few cranks.” It’s a lot of cranks.

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314 comments

1 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:02:01am

She would know, being a crank herself.

2 Kronocide  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:02:54am

So Lou Dobbs is a crank?

3 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:03:13am

Charles, get ready to feel the luuuv from the Freepers.

4 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:03:32am
5 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:03:34am

A gaggle of geese. A herd of buffaloes. A ___ of Nirthers.

Anyone?

6 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:04:19am

re: #5 MandyManners

A gaggle of geese. A herd of buffaloes. A ___ of Nirthers.

Anyone?

An asylum

7 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:04:54am

Teh stupid is spreading.

8 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:04:59am

re: #5 MandyManners

A gaggle of geese. A herd of buffaloes. A ___ of Nirthers.

Anyone?

A Nattering of Nirthers?

9 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:05:13am
10 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:05:19am

re: #5 MandyManners

A gaggle of geese. A herd of buffaloes. A ___ of Nirthers.

Anyone?

nest? nirthernest?

11 Mortis  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:05:33am

Good for her

12 Kronocide  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:06:02am

A Dobbs of Nirthers! What I win? Tell me tell me!

13 Kragar  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:06:26am

Well, Coulter is an expert on making Conservatives look bad.

14 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:07:08am

Has anyone taken any surveys on how many people are on board with this sort of stuff, or any stats on how this has hurt the conservative movement?

15 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:07:16am

None of the important talking heads for the R’s are willing to give this the true smack down it rightly deserves because they know it’s a lot of cranks. Cranks who can be milked.

16 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:07:20am

re: #6 debutaunt

An asylum

Turn a hose on them! Put their fingers in a light socket!

/santa battaglia, in a confederacy of dunces

17 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:07:23am

re: #5 MandyManners

A gaggle of geese. A herd of buffaloes. A ___ of Nirthers.

Anyone?

A group counseling of nirthers?

18 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:08:00am

re: #12 BigPapa

A Dobbs of Nirthers! What I win? Tell me tell me!

A date with Ann Coulter?

/

19 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:08:03am

re: #2 BigPapa

So Lou Dobbs is a crank?

I would consider him one.

20 Kronocide  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:08:12am

You will respect mah CrankStituency!

21 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:08:35am

“It makes the conservatives look like a party that’s disorganized and focusing on minor issues”

Pretty much.

22 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:08:52am

Ok after a re-read number fifteen is an unintentional double entendre, but … it works.

23 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:09:12am

I’m a CRANK!!!
But then …I only got 2.5 hours of sleep last night!
…Not the same thing is it…?
/

24 Silvergirl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:09:30am

re: #5 MandyManners

A gaggle of geese. A herd of buffaloes. A ___ of Nirthers.

Anyone?

A crash of nirthers, like a crash of rhinoceroses [rhinoceri?] since they’ll crash and burn

a cackle of nirthers, like hyenas, since everyone is laughing at them

a plague of nirthers, as in cockroaches

25 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:09:41am

re: #10 experiencedtraveller

nest? nirthernest?

cuckoo’s nest

26 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:09:47am

Lefties confront congressmen…
Birthers on the Hill


It’s not just some fringe nuts in the base. These are our elected officials! It’s kinda worth watching the whole thing, pretty funny and fairly well made. Kudos to Trent Frank from Arizona (at 3:20) for actually answering the question.

27 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:09:48am

re: #5 MandyManners

A gaggle of geese. A herd of buffaloes. A ___ of Nirthers.

Anyone?

A Pod of Nithers.

28 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:09:55am

re: #15 Thanos

None of the important talking heads for the R’s are willing to give this the true smack down it rightly deserves because they know it’s a lot of cranks. Cranks who can be milked.

Ewww!

29 Kronocide  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:09:55am

re: #18 Ward Cleaver

A date with Ann Coulter?

Unluckily for her, I’m off the free market. It would be an interesting date if it ever happened. She is still a hottie.

The ‘make up’ sex would be awesome after the extended argument!

30 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:10:32am

Ann Coulter stopped being helpful a long time ago.

31 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:10:54am

It’s pretty sad when huckabee is being more reasonable than coulter.

32 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:11:05am

re: #15 Thanos

Crank Milk??
Thanks for that …
Brain bleach…STAT!!

33 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:11:37am

*sigh*
Why do these people insist on trying to discredit the administration with these tin-foil hat sideshow “issues” when they can do all the legitimate discrediting they could possibly want just by pointing out the unemployment statistics?

/Idiots!

34 Kragar  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:11:41am

re: #5 MandyManners

A gaggle of geese. A herd of buffaloes. A ___ of Nirthers.

Anyone?

A moron of Nirthers.

“They’re using the old Kenyan Prince Con, the sneaky bastards!”

35 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:11:45am

re: #32 reloadingisnotahobby

Crank Milk??
Thanks for that …
Brain bleach…STAT!!

It’s the new KoolAid.

36 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:11:47am

re: #7 Sharmuta

Teh stupid is spreading.

“Stupid to the left of me,
Morons to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.”

37 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:12:19am

re: #30 FrogMarch

Ann Coulter stopped being helpful a long time ago.

She always goes too far and says something stupid, which defeats her own argument.

38 Spider Mensch  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:12:38am

people need to stop living in the world news daily and national enquirer world…even if it was true, which it isn’t, what the hell would be done about it? impeach him over it? not gonna happen. he’s going to resign? forget it, he’s to full of himeself, the non apology to the Police proves that. Hey nirthers..go get a life! spend some time with your kids. read a book. do some useful volunteer work. Go do your job better, if you have a job. Just drop this silly non issue, it’s boring and annoying.

39 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:12:45am

re: #33 CIA Reject

*sigh*
Why do these people insist on trying to discredit the administration with these tin-foil hat sideshow “issues” when they can do all the legitimate discrediting they could possibly want just by pointing out the unemployment statistics?

/Idiots!

Maybe because it’s easier to harp on one issue instead of doing the research on other issues.

40 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:13:02am

re: #27 SasquatchOnSteroids

A Pod of Nithers.

Makes as much sense as anything considering that they are pod people.

41 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:13:13am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Unbelievable!

42 Pianobuff  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:13:49am

re: #5 MandyManners

A gaggle of geese. A herd of buffaloes. A ___ of Nirthers.

Anyone?

A saucer of Nirthers.

43 pat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:14:11am

Obama is just eating it on Drudge. Total metal storm.

44 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:15:11am

re: #5 MandyManners

A gaggle of geese. A herd of buffaloes. A ___ of Nirthers.

Anyone?

“School” gives them too much credit.

“Pod” makes them even more alien

“gaggle” makes them sound as though they have direction.

“Pack” makes them sound as though they have a leader.

“Swarm”— that kinda works.

BTW, I saw the Coulter interview when it was first aired and it did not strike me as though she had anything other than disdain for the morons.

45 AuntAcid  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:15:31am

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A moron of Nirthers.

“They’re using the old Kenyan Prince Con, the sneaky bastards!”

A sphincter of nirthers.

46 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:15:45am

re: #39 MandyManners

Maybe because it’s easier to harp on one issue instead of doing the research on other issues.

Maybe, but it’s not like it requires a lot of effort.

47 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:15:46am

re: #43 pat

The “Gates” gate is hurting him…as it F^%&g should!
He really had a”Biden” moment there!!

48 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:15:55am

re: #37 Ward Cleaver

She always goes too far and says something stupid, which defeats her own argument.

Yep. She’ll be on a roll and then she’ll say something so cringe inducing - you just want to slap her. why Ann, why?!

49 shug  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:16:10am

Nirthers are the GOP equivalent of Kucinich voters

50 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:16:15am

re: #45 AuntAcid

A sphincter of nirthers.

I think we have a winner!

51 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:16:22am

This is what happens to anorexics. At some point they lose their appetite for reality as well as food.

52 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:16:30am

re: #41 Sharmuta

It’s funny to watch them try to dodge the question. The running guy was my favorite.

53 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:16:34am

The party out of power always goes nuts. There’s just no way around it.

54 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:16:47am

I-78 Eastern PAre: #25 debutaunt

cuckoo’s nest

Yeah. That’s the imagery. Bird’s nests tend to be very dirty and smelly.

55 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:17:34am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Lefties confront congressmen…
Birthers on the Hill

[Video]

It’s not just some fringe nuts in the base. These are our elected officials! It’s kinda worth watching the whole thing, pretty funny and fairly well made. Kudos to Trent Frank from Arizona (at 3:20) for actually answering the question.

Good grief. That’s beyond pathetic.

56 JHW  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:18:29am

Ha Ha, Pravda doesn’t like Biden much.
Shut it, Joe!

57 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:18:33am

A nuttery of nirthers

58 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:18:38am

re: #52 Killgore Trout

It’s funny to watch them try to dodge the question. The running guy was my favorite.

I loved the Chariots of Fire. Classic.

59 iceweasel  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:18:45am

re: #52 Killgore Trout

It’s funny to watch them try to dodge the question. The running guy was my favorite.

The theme from chariots of fire is a beautiful touch.

And freepers are accusing Ann Coulter of “drinking the Dem Kool-Aid”.

Nice. :)

60 Kragar  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:18:46am

Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill—Unless They Have 2 Lawyers to Interpret It for Them

(CNSNews.com) - During his speech at a National Press Club luncheon, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Democratic Congressman John Conyers (D-Mich.), questioned the point of lawmakers reading the health care bill.

“I love these members, they get up and say, ‘Read the bill,’” said Conyers.

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

And they wonder why we don’t trust Congress any more?

61 mfarmer1  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:19:00am

I used to believe that Obama was born in Kenya until I sucked up some contrails delivered from jets flown by pilots who supposedly were killed during the 9-11 government action. Now I know better.

62 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:19:27am

re: #59 iceweasel

Get outta my head! ;)

63 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:19:43am

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill—Unless They Have 2 Lawyers to Interpret It for Them

And they wonder why we don’t trust Congress any more?

I wonder what he thinks he’s there for?

64 Gang of One  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:19:58am

re: #5 MandyManners

A gaggle of geese. A herd of buffaloes. A ___ of Nirthers.

Anyone?

A crank of nirthers.

A plague of nirthers.

A smudge of nirthers.

A skid-mark of nirthers.

65 Irish Rose  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:20:05am

Losers.

66 kynna  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:20:21am

re: #14 Walter L. Newton

Has anyone taken any surveys on how many people are on board with this sort of stuff, or any stats on how this has hurt the conservative movement?

I think ID/Creationism hurts the conservative movement a lot more.

67 Kragar  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:20:21am

re: #63 J.D.

I wonder what he thinks he’s there for?

The buffet?

68 Land Shark  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:20:29am

Charles said:

“Who knows where this craziness will end up — but it’s not going away, and it’s not just “a few cranks.” It’s a lot of cranks.”

That certainly seems to be the case. Instead of going away like it should, the craziness keeps spreading, I’m seeing more and more of this crap.

I’ve said it before and it looks like I’ll be saying it again and again: the burden of proof is on you nirthers, prove the state of Hawaii lied and made up the “we have certificate of live birth for Obama in file” thing. PROVE IT!

I dislike Obama and his policies. I wanted to believe he was ineligible to run for the Presidency. But until you are able to provide evidence the state of Hawaii was making it up, or at least show an authentic Kenyan birth certificate, this is just a waste of time. Worse, it’s a waste of time that makes you and anyone who buys into it look like a crazy crank.

69 Gang of One  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:21:23am

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill—Unless They Have 2 Lawyers to Interpret It for Them

And they wonder why we don’t trust Congress any more?

And we wonder why 1,000+ page bills get passed, anyway.

70 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:21:42am

I was driving on I-78 just east of lovely Grimville, Pennsylvania when I spotted one of the “Where is the Birth Certificate” billboards.

/fools and their money…

71 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:21:59am

Really sucks that Huffington Post is milking these Nirther morons for every drop of bad publicity.

But if the GOP won’t do something about the kooks, they deserve it.

And I’m not just talking about Nirthers. When Sarah Palin refuses to answer a direct question and admit that bombing an abortion clinic is “terrorism,” she’s doing it for the same reason — she’s pandering to the extremists in the base. (And really turning off people like me.)

72 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:22:44am

re: #67 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The buffet?

It’s probably “free”.

73 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:22:46am

Should we ask Ann Coulter to prove she hasn’t had a sex change operation?

j/k … but the Adam’s Apple is a bit suspicious

74 kynna  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:23:02am

re: #44 calcajun

“School” gives them too much credit.

“Pod” makes them even more alien

“gaggle” makes them sound as though they have direction.

“Pack” makes them sound as though they have a leader.

“Swarm”— that kinda works.

BTW, I saw the Coulter interview when it was first aired and it did not strike me as though she had anything other than disdain for the morons.

No, swarm is too awesome. How about a ‘frenzy’ of nirthers. It seems more chaotic. Or an ‘upheaval’ of nirthers? Or a ‘miasma’ of nirthers?

75 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:23:39am

I lamented Saturday morning that the Blog i came from last year has turned into nirther fucking central…First I was deeply disappointed.. It’s turned into Anger at the stupidity…

76 Kragar  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:24:21am

Hamas PM Haniyeh loses 10,000 Facebook friends

The social networking website Facebook has shut down a fan page dedicated to supporters of Hamas Prime Minister in Gaza Ismail Haniyeh, London-based Arabic newspaper Al-Hayat reported on Sunday.

The page had accumulated over ten thousand “friends” when Facebook removed it, and Facebook has issued no official statement regarding the reasons for the webpage’s deletion.

A supervisor of the Haniyeh fan page told Al Hayat that he expects similar action to be taken against a related Facebook page devoted to the apparently more popular Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal who has obtained over seventeen thousand “friends.”

According to the report, “It is likely that the well known website “Facebook” is under pressure from Israel, the United States, and lobbies that are resisting the Palestinian people and movements of the Palestinian Resistance, among them Hamas.”

77 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:24:29am

A dumpster of nirthers

78 Last Mohican  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:24:36am

Well this is interesting: the woman who called 911 to report the break in at Henry Gates’ house is calling Sergeant Crowley a liar.

Attorney Wendy Murphy also categorically rejected part of the police report that said her client, Lucia Whalen, talked with Sgt. James Crowley, the arresting officer, at the scene.

“Let me be clear: She never had a conversation with Sgt. Crowley at the scene,” Murphy said. “And she never said to any police officer or to anybody ‘two black men.’ She never used the word ‘black.’ Period.”

In the police report, filed by Crowley, he says he spoke with Whalen outside the home before he approached Gates’ house.

“She went on to tell me that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the porch of Ware Street,” the report says. “She told me that her suspicions were aroused when she observed one of the men wedging his shoulder into the door as if he was trying to force entry.”

79 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:24:45am

re: #71 Charles

Really sucks that Huffington Post is milking these Nirther morons for every drop of bad publicity.

But if the GOP won’t do something about the kooks, they deserve it.

And I’m not just talking about Nirthers. When Sarah Palin refuses to answer a direct question and admit that bombing an abortion clinic is “terrorism,” she’s doing it for the same reason — she’s pandering to the extremists in the base. (And really turning off people like me.)

You’re not alone.

80 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:24:45am

re: #59 iceweasel

The theme from chariots of fire is a beautiful touch.

And freepers are accusing Ann Coulter of “drinking the Dem Kool-Aid”.

Nice. :)

Now there’s some serious irony. LOL!

81 Gang of One  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:24:54am

re: #77 Mad Al-Jaffee

A dumpster of nirthers

A latrine of nirthers.

82 kynna  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:25:11am

re: #69 Gang of One

And we wonder why 1,000+ page bills get passed, anyway.

There should be a rule. If the hard copy version of a bill is dropped on a kitten from a height of ten feet and the kitten dies, it goes back for editing.

83 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:25:46am

re: #78 Last Mohican

Well this is interesting: the woman who called 911 to report the break in at Henry Gates’ house is calling Sergeant Crowley a liar.

They will have a 911 recording of the call

84 Sabnen  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:26:05am

Everything seems pretty wacky these days. I contend that the party most likely to display “Common Sense” will win after the wackiness runs its’ course.

Yes, yes, I am assuming “Common Sense” is only in a coma for the time being and can be resuscitated later.

85 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:26:07am

I had to laugh when my mother told me Lou Dobbs was on this.

I don’t get him AT all.

86 Kragar  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:26:13am

re: #82 kynna

There should be a rule. If the hard copy version of a bill is dropped on a kitten from a height of ten feet and the kitten dies, it goes back for editing.

OOOH! PETA GONNA GIT YOU FOR DAT ‘UN!

87 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:26:34am
88 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:26:58am

re: #87 buzzsawmonkey

How about using PETA members instead of kittens? If the PETA member is stunned, that would be sufficient.

I think that’s fair.

89 shug  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:27:09am

Barack Nifong

LMAO

90 Kragar  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:27:10am

re: #83 Thanos

They will have a 911 recording of the call

Yeah, but they might not have anything for when he walked up and talked to her at her house before he went over to Gates.

91 Last Mohican  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:27:36am

re: #83 Thanos

They will have a 911 recording of the call

True, and it will probably be released today. But Crowley never made any claims about what Whalen said during the 911 call. He said that he spoke with Whalen personally, on the street, and she said then that she had witnessed two black men.

Whalen now denies that she spoke with Crowley on the street at all.

92 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:28:01am

re: #83 Thanos

They will have a 911 recording of the call

I expect someone is preparing themselves for the inevitable lawsuit that is going to happen IMO.

93 Irish Rose  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:28:02am

I take my job as an antagonist very seriously. A couple of weeks ago I deliberately put up a post on my blog, containing a joke that made a reference to Barry being born in Kenya… just to test the waters.

I only had person dare to respond, a hater from Deuce… but my traffic numbers for the day nearly tripled.

94 Last Mohican  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:28:16am

re: #77 Mad Al-Jaffee

A dumpster of nirthers

A compound of nirthers?

They do seem like the kind of people who might live in compounds.

95 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:28:45am

re: #84 Sabnen
I would give a slightly used kidney to insure Common Sense being revived …Not sure Washington is the place to star…

96 Kragar  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:29:04am

re: #91 Last Mohican

True, and it will probably be released today. But Crowley never made any claims about what Whalen said during the 911 call. He said that he spoke with Whalen personally, on the street, and she said then that she had witnessed two black men.

Whalen now denies that she spoke with Crowley on the street at all.

Her name should have never come out. She was trying to do whats right and now she is getting crap for it.

97 Crimsonfisted  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:29:13am

re: #64 Gang of One

A crank of nirthers.

A plague of nirthers.

A smudge of nirthers.

A skid-mark of nirthers.

A phalanx of nirthers.

An ablutophobia of nirthers.

Perhaps we need a new phobia?

98 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:29:14am

re: #85 J.D.

I had to laugh when my mother told me Lou Dobbs was on this.

I don’t get him AT all.

Fox isn’t the only network to employ cranks. CNN and MSNBC both have their own fair share.

99 Land Shark  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:29:16am

re: #87 buzzsawmonkey

How about using PETA members instead of kittens? If the PETA member is stunned, that would be sufficient.

Hmmm, that would be an incentive to make them even heavier, don’t you think?

“Hey, the PETA guy is only unconsious, add a couple of thousand pages and let’s try it again!”

///

100 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:29:35am

re: #94 Last Mohican

Or a bunker of nirthers

101 shug  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:29:41am

I look forward to the day when we have a dearth of Nirth

102 AuntAcid  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:29:43am

re: #81 Gang of One

A latrine of nirthers.

a urinal cake…

103 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:29:47am

Sigh, I guess there’s no reason to assume that the nirth folks will ever give up. I’ve found Snopes to be pretty reliable, and this pretty much covers the issue as far as I’m concerned:

Birth Certificate Issue

When the only way to continue the meme is to take the position that Dr. Fukino and Mr. Onaka are lying - one the Director of the Health Department, the other registrar of vital statistics - there’s probably no way to bring these folks to their senses.

104 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:29:57am

re: #100 Mad Al-Jaffee

Or a bunker of nirthers

Plethora?

105 Gang of One  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:30:03am

re: #97 Crimsonfisted

A phalanx of nirthers.

An ablutophobia of nirthers.

Perhaps we need a new phobia?

Commonsense-o-phobia?

106 kynna  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:30:28am

re: #87 buzzsawmonkey

How about using PETA members instead of kittens? If the PETA member is stunned, that would be sufficient.

I kind of see them as perpetually stunned already.

How about this — if the hard copy of a bill is dropped from a height of ten feet on the proposing congress critter’s face and his/her nose breaks, it goes back for editing.

107 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:30:49am

I wonder if Rush can prove that he’s a citizen himself, to nirther standards?

And once again: it’s incumbent upon the person making a claim like this to provide positive proof of their claim. It is NOT the responsibility of the accused to prove their innocence, nor to attempt to prove a negative - the demand made by nirthers, which is a logical impossibility.

Let’s see a Kenyan birth certificate. Then - maybe - there’ll be something to talk about. Right now, the only thing worth discussing is what kind of polish is best to use on your tinfoil hat.

108 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:30:51am

A netherverse of nirthers

109 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:31:01am

re: #91 Last Mohican

True, and it will probably be released today. But Crowley never made any claims about what Whalen said during the 911 call. He said that he spoke with Whalen personally, on the street, and she said then that she had witnessed two black men.

Whalen now denies that she spoke with Crowley on the street at all.

I figured the whole thing was just a clusterfuck waiting to happen when it hit the news. Turns out, it is a clusterfuck so far.

110 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:31:11am

re: #102 AuntAcid

” Don’t eat the big white mint…

111 JarHeadLifer  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:31:33am

re: #30 FrogMarch

Ann Coulter stopped being helpful a long time ago.

90% of what Ann says and writes is just fine. Sometimes, for whatever reason, she says or writes something that borders on insane. Of course, this is picked-up and amplified by the media to advance their own political narrative - you know, conservatives are mean, racist and spiteful people. They love to talk to her about her incendiary comments, but never about the larger, more salient point she has made.

You should read the column Ann wrote about the passing of her friend, Ron Silver. It was really moving and quite piognent. That was Ann at her best and most effective.

112 Kragar  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:31:34am

re: #104 JohnnyReb

Plethora?

JohnnyReb, what is a plethora?

/El Guapo

113 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:31:41am

re: #93 Irish Rose

I take my job as an antagonist very seriously. A couple of weeks ago I deliberately put up a post on my blog, containing a joke that made a reference to Barry being born in Kenya… just to test the waters.

I only had person dare to respond, a hater from Deuce… but my traffic numbers for the day nearly tripled.


For too many people, and I’m talking professional pundits in all media, that is what it is all about.

114 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:31:51am

re: #98 Honorary Yooper

Fox isn’t the only network to employ cranks. CNN and MSNBC both have their own fair share.

Oh…believe me…I know.
You can’t escape CNN in Hartsfield International Airport.
I’ve tried.

115 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:31:54am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Lefties confront congressmen…
Birthers on the Hill


It’s not just some fringe nuts in the base. These are our elected officials! It’s kinda worth watching the whole thing, pretty funny and fairly well made. Kudos to Trent Frank from Arizona (at 3:20) for actually answering the question.

Big kudos for that, Killgore. The thing that cinched it for me was the same thing that Franks said. It was the birth announcement in the newspaper in Honolulu. That carried more weight with me than anything else. 0bama was born in Hawaii, period. It’s sad to watch all those congresscritters ducking the question, or equivocating, especially questions from somebody with HuffPo and FireDogLake.

116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:32:05am
I love my neighborhood—-Old Southwest.. Our diverse community is bound together in love, acceptance and appreciation of one another. Over night some fool defiled the synagogue in our hood with words of hate. This is not who WE ARE…Reach out in love today and help ease the hurt and combat the ignorance. WE ARE ONE.

A facebook post from an old friend of mine.

Sad, ain’t it?

sigh…

117 J.S.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:32:08am

re: #85 J.D.

Lou Dobbs (imo) wants to play both sides, down the middle…Sooo, on the one hand, Lou Dobbs claims he’s not a “nirther” (that’s because he says, repeatedly, that he emphatically believes that Obama IS a citizen of the United States —again, Lou Dobbs believes that Obama is a citizen of the United States.) But, in the next breath, Dobbs then throws a bone to the Nirthers by asking, not quoting verbatim here, “But why doesn’t Obama just show us his birth certificate?” Hence, the crazoids’ applause…

118 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:32:09am

One very prominent Republican who is definitely on board the nirther ship is Hawaii governor Linda Lingle, who introduced Sarah Palin at the convention last year.
For the nirther nuts to be right, Lingle and her entire administration would have to be secretly and feloniously subverted by Demo conspirators.
When asked about this, the nirthers I know just trot out their favorite conspiracy trope, blackmail from the Clinton’s illegally held FBI files. How is it possible though that not just Lingle but everyone associated with her is so corrupt as to be uniformly susceptible to this?

We are living in Crank Conspiracy World, the Marching Morons come to life right before our eyes.

119 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:32:10am

re: #82 kynna

There should be a rule. If the hard copy version of a bill is dropped on a kitten from a height of ten feet and the kitten dies, it goes back for editing.

DOANT KIL TEH KITTEHS!

120 quiet man  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:32:10am

I am a huge fan of Ann Coulter..and I think she is right..there are a few cranks who believe the crap..their numbers being inflated and focused on by those who do not like the republicans very much…

I think it is the usual crap that comes from the many poorly informed people in either party who needs such drama because they do not know, or care to know what the true issues are.

121 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:32:42am

The nirthers will never go away. Just do a google on 9/11 conspiracy, the JFK assassination, the faked moon landing, Lincoln assassination, etc.

Folks it will never go away. It might fade some, but it will never go away. People need to just ignore it and it will fade somewhat into the background noise.

123 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:33:05am

re: #59 iceweasel

The theme from chariots of fire is a beautiful touch.

And freepers are accusing Ann Coulter of “drinking the Dem Kool-Aid”.

Nice. :)

She’s a ‘guzzler of Obama Kool-Aid’! She thinks he’s God!

124 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:33:34am

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Her name should have never come out. She was trying to do whats right and now she is getting crap for it.

Of course. The goal here is to change the subject and talk about something - anything - other than 0’s ridiculous and unprofessional remark that, although he didn’t have the fact, the police were stupid. The WH would much, much rather have everyone focus on the peripheral players and not on the crux of the matter - a President suffering from knee spasms who unfairly lashed out at police who were doing their job.

125 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:33:35am

re: #120 quiet man

I am a huge fan of Ann Coulter..and I think she is right..there are a few cranks who believe the crap..their numbers being inflated and focused on by those who do not like the republicans very much…

I think it is the usual crap that comes from the many poorly informed people in either party who needs such drama because they do not know, or care to know what the true issues are.

Few Cranks? Did you watch the vid KT posted? Congresscritters don’t run like that from a “few” cranks.

126 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:33:38am

re: #91 Last Mohican

True, and it will probably be released today. But Crowley never made any claims about what Whalen said during the 911 call. He said that he spoke with Whalen personally, on the street, and she said then that she had witnessed two black men.

Whalen now denies that she spoke with Crowley on the street at all.

Maybe it’s all the ‘Nirther paranoia rubbing off, but I’m beginning to wonder if Whalen had some type of grievance with Gates and made the 911 call just to yank his chain…

127 quiet man  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:33:51am

re: #122 Killgore Trout
Exactly..ignore this shit..because that is what it is. How much time was spent on Bush’s military service??

128 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:33:58am
129 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:34:15am

re: #102 AuntAcid

a urinal cake…

I ain’t eating it.

130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:34:15am

re: #123 Jimmah

“When somebody asks you if you are a god, you say ‘Yes’!”

131 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:34:34am

re: #118 Shiplord Kirel

One very prominent Republican who is definitely NOT on board the nirther ship is Hawaii governor Linda Lingle, who introduced Sarah Palin at the convention last year.

PIMF

132 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:34:52am

re: #128 Ward Cleaver

We’re in for a long 8 years of Obama.

133 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:34:53am

re: #126 CIA Reject

Maybe it’s all the ‘Nirther paranoia rubbing off, but I’m beginning to wonder if Whalen had some type of grievance with Gates and made the 911 call just to yank his chain…

His dog probably crapped on her yard.

134 keithgabryelski  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:34:59am

re: #125 Thanos

Few Cranks? Did you watch the vid KT posted? Congresscritters don’t run like that from a “few” cranks.

A good point. Do we have numbers for how many people believe the nirther story?

135 Wendya  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:35:06am

re: #63 J.D.

I wonder what he thinks he’s there for?

Personal enrichment and ethics violations?

136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:35:07am

re: #102 AuntAcid

a urinal cake…

Cake? Aaawww…

137 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:35:13am

re: #117 J.S.

Ummm-hmmm.
Showmanship.

It sells.

138 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:35:17am

re: #114 J.D.

Oh…believe me…I know.
You can’t escape CNN in Hartsfield International Airport.
I’ve tried.

Its tantamount to brainwashing.

139 Syrah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:35:19am

Ann versus the Nirthers…

This could be a match for The Octogon, Pay-Per-View, a real battle royal.

The Nirthers will go after Coulter with hammer and tong. They will see her dismissal of them as cranks as a betrayal from the inside by one of their own.

140 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:35:35am

re: #122 Killgore Trout

Of course he would say that. He’s tied tightly to the world nut drooly and heartland institute crowd. He’s part of the problem.

141 quiet man  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:35:57am

re: #125 Thanos
It is still a few cranks…

It doesnt have near the scope as Bush’s service and given the issues that needs to be addressed instead..no one should pretend it does.

142 Crimsonfisted  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:36:09am

re: #130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

“When somebody asks you if you are a god, you say ‘Yes’!”

“Where do those stairs go?”

“They go up.”
***
“Where is the certificate?”

“It is in Hawaii.”

143 AuntAcid  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:36:14am

re: #129 MandyManners

I ain’t eating it.

“Happy Birthday” anyway…

144 Last Mohican  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:36:30am

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Her name should have never come out. She was trying to do whats right and now she is getting crap for it.

I agree completely. Idiots across America are now accusing her of being a racist, and she has had to employ a lawyer to protect herself, just because she tried to protect a neighbor from a property crime.

Furthermore, the identities of people who call 911 should be kept secret, just to protect them from attack from the suspects whom they report. I have called 911 several times to report crimes in my neighborhood. Now that I realize that the criminals are going to get my name and address, I don’t really feel like doing that any more in the future.

145 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:36:36am

re: #121 JohnnyReb

The nirthers will never go away. Just do a google on 9/11 conspiracy, the JFK assassination, the faked moon landing, Lincoln assassination, etc.

Folks it will never go away. It might fade some, but it will never go away. People need to just ignore it and it will fade somewhat into the background noise.

What’s remarkable is how many of the ‘nirthers believe the other conspiracies you named. A fair number of the hardcore ‘nirthers were 9/11 troofers, and ferverently believe the moon landings were faked, and that Oswald didn’t kill JFK. It’s fucking nuts how many of them are the same folks. These morons seriously need to be put in the psychiatric ward of a hospital.

146 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:36:49am

re: #132 Killgore Trout

We’re in for a long 8 years of Obama.

And the Nirthers.

It’s just like the “Mena” stuff during the Clinton years.

147 scrad  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:36:51am

For me, I’m willing to accept that the birth certificate is real since the Hawaiian officials say so. It’s real.

Still, I do wonder what might be on it that MIGHT call into question his citizenship or heritage. It does seem odd that he doesn’t publish it. And forbidding access to his educational records? What kind of public official does this?

Just gets my curiosity up. No, I am not a Nirther. :)

148 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:36:55am

re: #121 JohnnyReb

The nirthers will never go away. Just do a google on 9/11 conspiracy, the JFK assassination, the faked moon landing, Lincoln assassination, etc.

Folks it will never go away. It might fade some, but it will never go away. People need to just ignore it and it will fade somewhat into the background noise.

TWA800 cover-up.

Guilty.

149 J.S.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:37:03am

re: #137 J.D.

Although, I believe, the bosses at CNN have said, “enough is enough” and have told Dobbs to put a lid on it…

150 ozemc  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:37:04am

So, Charles, if it turns out to be true, will you be calling yourself a crank?

You know, I didnt really think too much about this until lately, but with all the money being wasted on this in this horrible economy, why doesn’t the President just show his records? I mean, there was all the outrage over Bush’s ANG records. You yourself showed how the famous memos that Dan Rather put on were fake. Congress specfically vetted McCain’s records to prove HE was a “natural-born” citizen, so why wasn’t the same thing done for Obama?

I know I can’t get a driver’s license without a birth certificate, or a SS card, or sign up my kids for sports without theirs, so I don’t see what the big deal is.

Just show it, and get it over with.

151 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:37:39am

re: #133 Ward Cleaver

His dog probably crapped on her yard.

I’ve seen similar things happen for those kinds of reasons…

152 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:37:52am

The Nirthers have arrived!

153 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:38:37am

re: #141 quiet man

Go read comments at free republic, world nut drooly, and pretty much any newspaper. It’s not a few cranks. If it were just a few cranks I wouldn’t have personally encountered several of these idiot children in my travels since I don’t really get out much at all.

154 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:38:43am

“It makes the conservatives look like a party that’s disorganized and focusing on minor issues”

I’m reposting this because it’s true and it extends past the nirthers. We need to stop focusing on the petty crap and work on some proposals, some real strategy.

155 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:38:53am

re: #152 Killgore Trout

The Nirthers have arrived!

Stinky’s striking his best Ninja pose!

156 shug  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:39:38am

re: #134 keithgabryelski

A good point. Do we have numbers for how many people believe the nirther story?

Less than those who believed the Bush was AWOL story

I wonder if Huff Po would be so kind as to take a camera and stick it into the faces of Maxxine Waters, Henry Waxman, Jerry Nadler, Ed Maaahkey, Lynn Wolsey, Sheeeila jackson Lee, etc etc and ask them if Bush is a war criminal or if Bush was AWOL.

I am not defending the people in #26 who to me appeared to be dodging a kook with a camera, more than they were supporting Nirthers, but you can take a camera and get some pretty amazingly crazy answers from congress, especially when you ambush them on the sidewalk


that being said, Congressman Franks was awesome. I hope his colleagues learn something from his candor

157 poteen  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:39:39am

Two things to feel good about;;

1. Consistency. Politicians have never and never will give a direct answer to a direct question, no matter how important or frivolous it is.

2. Safety. The freeper commenters, like their huffpo and kos counterparts,
spend most of their time in mommy’s basement. Not in public where their petulance can cause damage to the productive, less paranoid population.

No sarc

158 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:39:41am

re: #153 Thanos

Go read comments at free republic, world nut drooly, and pretty much any newspaper. It’s not a few cranks. If it were just a few cranks I wouldn’t have personally encountered several of these idiot children in my travels since I don’t really get out much at all.

It’s a whole crank industry.

159 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:39:51am

re: #141 quiet man

It is still a few cranks…

It doesnt have near the scope as Bush’s service and given the issues that needs to be addressed instead..no one should pretend it does.

It’s not a few cranks when it includes Congressmen.

160 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:39:51am

re: #150 ozemc

WTF? Dude, put down the Kool Aid.

161 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:39:52am

re: #141 quiet man

It is still a few cranks…

It doesnt have near the scope as Bush’s service and given the issues that needs to be addressed instead..no one should pretend it does.

I want to see some stats. How much is this hurting. I’m not even suggesting that this is good, that it shouldn’t go away, that it isn’t kookiness at the max, but, I still want to know how large the impact has been up to this point.

I certainly want to pick my battles and put my energy into the most needed areas.

How do we judge the impact?

162 AuntAcid  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:40:10am

re: #133 Ward Cleaver

His dog probably crapped on her yard.

HA! a poo of nirthers…

163 Syrah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:40:11am

re: #150 ozemc

The burden of proof is on you to show that all of the documentation that has already been certified and accepted is fraudulent

You need to understand just how impossible that would be to do.

He is a citizen, and now amount of wishing otherwise will do anything to undo that.

164 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:40:32am

re: #150 ozemc

When you get a driver’s license does everyone in the county get to see your birth cert? Do you have show it to everyone standing in line? Can anyone who stops you on the road demand to see it?

165 quiet man  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:40:46am

re: #153 Thanos
I am not going to free republic and read what they have to say. Would they like hearing any Lizard on the subject?? We laugh at nirthers, as that is the proper response..and I think we have a good reason to do so.

166 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:41:02am
167 Last Mohican  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:41:02am

re: #134 keithgabryelski

A good point. Do we have numbers for how many people believe the nirther story?

The latest AOL online poll shows 82 percent of respondents saying Barack Obama should release his birth certificate.

I’m still looking for a poll that isn’t an internet poll. I figure 99% of respondents of most internet polls are Paulians.

168 poteen  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:41:04am

re: #157 poteen

With that I must leave and go build something.
Later.

169 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:41:12am

They’re heeere…

170 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:41:23am

re: #144 Last Mohican

I agree completely. Idiots across America are now accusing her of being a racist, and she has had to employ a lawyer to protect herself, just because she tried to protect a neighbor from a property crime.

Furthermore, the identities of people who call 911 should be kept secret, just to protect them from attack from the suspects whom they report. I have called 911 several times to report crimes in my neighborhood. Now that I realize that the criminals are going to get my name and address, I don’t really feel like doing that any more in the future.


Actually here in CT they were trying to pass a law that made 911 tapes secret and not releasable unless a judge ordered it. It never made it out of committee from what IRC.

171 ozemc  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:41:27am

re: #160 Honorary Yooper

What Kool-Aid, “dude”?

It’s a simple solution to the issue. It would shut everybody up, as well.

172 spudly  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:41:37am

re: #145 Honorary Yooper

What’s remarkable is how many of the ‘nirthers believe the other conspiracies you named. A fair number of the hardcore ‘nirthers were 9/11 troofers, and ferverently believe the moon landings were faked, and that Oswald didn’t kill JFK. It’s fucking nuts how many of them are the same folks. These morons seriously need to be put in the psychiatric ward of a hospital.

I see this on some OT forums. There are some nirthers who are no troofers, but most troofers are nirthers on forums I read.

173 keithgabryelski  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:41:52am

re: #150 ozemc


You know, I didnt really think too much about this until lately, but with all the money being wasted on this in this horrible economy, why doesn’t the President just show his records?

He has: [Link: www.factcheck.org…]

I know I can’t get a driver’s license without a birth certificate, or a SS card, or sign up my kids for sports without theirs, so I don’t see what the big deal is.

Do you suspect President Obama had a driver’s license? Can you draw a conclusion from that?

174 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:41:55am

re: #150 ozemc

LOL WUT


/that’s about all the energy i have for kooks today

175 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:42:00am

re: #171 ozemc

What Kool-Aid, “dude”?

It’s a simple solution to the issue. It would shut everybody up, as well.

Would it change anything?

176 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:42:11am

re: #150 ozemc

GAZE. Having made only 7 posts since Dec. 2007, you may not know what that means.

177 Syrah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:42:14am

re: #171 ozemc

What Kool-Aid, “dude”?

It’s a simple solution to the issue. It would shut everybody up, as well.

You don’t really believe that do you?

178 poteen  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:42:21am

re: #150 ozemc

He did. Don’t be stupid.

179 theheat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:42:26am

Limbaugh and Coulter remind me of the glass of champagne with a tiny bit of shit in it. In Limbaugh’s case, 20 million listeners keep pushing that floating turd out of the way to get at “his good stuff”. Coulter fans ignore her crazy and offensive shit all the time to salvage any relevance.

Personally, I don’t see either one are worth the effort, but I know millions of conservatives hang on their every word, same as the lefties with Olbermann.

180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:43:02am

re: #169 Charles

They’re heeere…

heh

181 ozemc  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:43:09am

re: #164 Thanos

No, of course not, I show it the the controlling authority. What controlling authority is a candidate for President required to show their documents to? Of course, I’m not running for President either.

182 AuntAcid  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:43:48am

re: #168 poteen

With that I must leave and go build something.
Later.


legos! sweet.

183 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:44:16am

re: #181 ozemc

Certified by an official of the state of HI, just as you were certed by the DL bureau official.

184 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:44:22am

re: #175 Walter L. Newton

Would it change anything?

Walter! I got it today! Thank you…That is so freaking cool!
Thank you again

185 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:44:22am

re: #181 ozemc

No, of course not, I show it the the controlling authority. What controlling authority is a candidate for President required to show their documents to? Of course, I’m not running for President either.

I’ll ask you again, if he couldn’t produce it, would it change anything? If he did produce one to you satisfaction, would it change anything?

186 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:44:42am

re: #150 ozemc

So, Charles, if it turns out to be true, will you be calling yourself a crank?

You know, I didnt really think too much about this until lately, but with all the money being wasted on this in this horrible economy, why doesn’t the President just show his records? I mean, there was all the outrage over Bush’s ANG records. You yourself showed how the famous memos that Dan Rather put on were fake. Congress specfically vetted McCain’s records to prove HE was a “natural-born” citizen, so why wasn’t the same thing done for Obama?

I know I can’t get a driver’s license without a birth certificate, or a SS card, or sign up my kids for sports without theirs, so I don’t see what the big deal is.

Just show it, and get it over with.

You can’t produce your “original birth certificate,” either. At best, you’ve got a certified copy provided by the state - the same thing 0 already produced. It isn’t even clear what the drooling morons are demanding - and the ambiguity is intentional, because if any document happens to be produced, they’ll just keep moving the goalposts indefinitely, claiming it wasn’t what they were asking for without actually saying what it is they want.

If the attention whores spreading this bilge have some actual evidence that 0 was born elsewhere, it’s up to them to produce it. It is NOT up to 0 to prove a negative, nor to establish his innocence against charges of any sort, least of all charges that have no foundation other than the goobery, spittle-drenched mud the nirthers keep drooling on.

187 Last Mohican  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:45:06am

re: #150 ozemc

So, Charles, if it turns out to be true, will you be calling yourself a crank?

Good thing it turned out to be false. I would hate to have to see Charles calling himself a crank.

188 Gang of One  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:45:07am

BBL. Got a nasty sunburn down the Jersey shore yesterday — not enough sunblock and too much time body-surfing the huge waves at Bradley Beach. Gotta go and get some more Solarcaine and aloe.

189 ozemc  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:45:10am

re: #163 Syrah
re: #173 keithgabryelski

Do you suspect President Obama had a driver’s license? Can you draw a conclusion from that?

Fact check did not show the birth certificate. Can you tell me who the Dr. was?

190 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:45:23am

re: #93 Irish Rose

I take my job as an antagonist very seriously.

I am reminded of a Churchill quote.

He once said that his father , Lord Randolph, once remarked about his son’s prospects; “Winston is far too stupid for the law and too obstreperous for the clergy. So for him, it must be politics.”

191 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:45:24am

re: #184 HoosierHoops

Walter! I got it today! Thank you…That is so freaking cool!
Thank you again

I didn’t send you anything. Careful, that was the Not Locke that sent that to you. Chuck it…

(inside joke, maybe you won’t get it).

192 keithgabryelski  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:45:52am

re: #156 shug

Less than those who believed the Bush was AWOL story

Let’s not deflect this. Past bad behavior does not excuse future bad behavior.


I am not defending the people in #26 who to me appeared to be dodging a kook with a camera, more than they were supporting Nirthers

You are excusing them in that sentence. It was a simple question, and my question was meant to figure out if there was a numbers game that really benefited from hedging.

Congressman Franks was awesome. I hope his colleagues learn something from his candor

We agree, there.

193 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:45:54am

Heh, New thread, and I knew this was coming after watching the video…

194 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:46:00am

re: #135 Wendya

Personal enrichment and ethics violations?

He’s gotten pretty good at it, too!

195 ozemc  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:46:12am

re: #174 ArchangelMichael

LOL WUT


/that’s about all the energy i have for kooks today

Yep, that’s a very adult response … LOL!

196 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:46:23am

re: #169 Charles

They’re heeere…

“Sweetheart, do you remember last night when you woke up, and you said ‘They’re here.’?”
“Uh huh”
“Well, who did you mean?”
“The TV People.”

197 jaunte  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:46:24am

Nirthers are lazy people looking for an easy answer to a hard political problem.

198 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:46:29am

re: #150 ozemc

Obama keeps spending money on this because he’s being sued.

Plus- it’s a stimulus. ///

199 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:46:37am

The political process is in danger of degenerating into a competition between rival brands of Kool-Aid.

Nirtherism is less filling but HopenChange tastes better, at least to the consumer-unit masses.

We’re Doomed.

200 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:46:48am

re: #186 SixDegrees

You can’t produce your “original birth certificate,” either. At best, you’ve got a certified copy provided by the state - the same thing 0 already produced. It isn’t even clear what the drooling morons are demanding - and the ambiguity is intentional, because if any document happens to be produced, they’ll just keep moving the goalposts indefinitely, claiming it wasn’t what they were asking for without actually saying what it is they want.

If the attention whores spreading this bilge have some actual evidence that 0 was born elsewhere, it’s up to them to produce it. It is NOT up to 0 to prove a negative, nor to establish his innocence against charges of any sort, least of all charges that have no foundation other than the goobery, spittle-drenched mud the nirthers keep drooling on.

WELL SAID!

201 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:46:58am

re: #195 ozemc

Yep, that’s a very adult response … LOL!

One more time… if he couldn’t produce it, would it change anything? If he did produce one to you satisfaction, would it change anything?

202 aggieann  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:47:18am

re: #5 MandyManners

A gaggle of geese. A herd of buffaloes. A ___ of Nirthers.

Anyone?

Nattering Nabob

203 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:47:21am

re: #173 keithgabryelski

Do you suspect President Obama had a driver’s license? Can you draw a conclusion from that?

Of course not - that would require logic.

204 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:47:37am

FOX News just put up a map of the middle east during the John Bolton interview and Iraq was labeled as Egypt … Jeez

205 ozemc  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:47:38am

re: #186 SixDegrees

You can’t produce your “original birth certificate,” either. At best, you’ve got a certified copy provided by the state - the same thing 0 already produced. It isn’t even clear what the drooling morons are demanding - and the ambiguity is intentional, because if any document happens to be produced, they’ll just keep moving the goalposts indefinitely, claiming it wasn’t what they were asking for without actually saying what it is they want.

If the attention whores spreading this bilge have some actual evidence that 0 was born elsewhere, it’s up to them to produce it. It is NOT up to 0 to prove a negative, nor to establish his innocence against charges of any sort, least of all charges that have no foundation other than the goobery, spittle-drenched mud the nirthers keep drooling on.

My certified copy has the name of the hospital and the doctor who performed the delivery on it. Does the document produced have that information? No.

206 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:47:54am

re: #169 Charles

Ask them “What part of certificate of live birth; sworn affidavit from the registrar; and, ‘birth certificates are not public records’, do they not get?”

Besides, if there was a pay-off at the end of that road, don’t you think that the Clintons, of all people, would have found it.

207 Syrah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:48:08am

re: #189 ozemc

re: #173 keithgabryelski

Fact check did not show the birth certificate. Can you tell me who the Dr. was?

Once the documentation has been accepted by the state and by the congress that certified the election, the burden of proof moves to you to demonstrate that the state faked the documentation.

Do you understand how impossible that would be?

208 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:48:09am

re: #138 experiencedtraveller

Its tantamount to brainwashing.

I watch television on my cell phone when I’m there.

209 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:48:12am

re: #152 Killgore Trout

The Nirthers have arrived!

The Neagle has nanded!

210 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:48:24am
211 ozemc  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:48:44am

re: #185 Walter L. Newton

I’ll ask you again, if he couldn’t produce it, would it change anything? If he did produce one to you satisfaction, would it change anything?

Yes, I would be satisfied.

212 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:48:45am

re: #173 keithgabryelski

Great link! In my 103 I linked to Snopes, which provides much of the same information, and reaches the same conclusions. That’s two distinct organizations both dedicated to myth-busting.

And that’s good enough for me! (Well, to be fair, it was never an issue with me anyway.)

;-)

213 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:49:16am
214 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:49:37am

re: #189 ozemc

re: #173 keithgabryelski

Fact check did not show the birth certificate. Can you tell me who the Dr. was?

Why? It’s the job of those bringing the accusations to provide proof to back up their claims. It is NOT the job of the accused to refute pointless observations or acquiesce to a baseless demand for a negative proof.

215 Land Shark  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:50:17am

re: #150 ozemc

Since I believe Charles is a stand up guy, I think he’d say what I’d say if it was proven President Zero was not born in the US:

“Hey, I was wrong.”

But until real proof, not the whacked conspiracy theories being bandied about is produced, nirthers are in the same league as the 9/11 Truthers. The Whacko League.

216 keithgabryelski  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:50:18am

re: #189 ozemc

re: #173 keithgabryelski

Fact check did not show the birth certificate. Can you tell me who the Dr. was?

yes they did. what do you think they showed? Are you talking about the term “certificate of birth” vs. “certification of live birth” vs. “birth certificate”. These are terms used to confuse. There is only ONE type of thing given out as a “birth certificate” by Hawaiian Department of Health.

The dr’s name does not matter. The only information that matters is that on the Hawaiian birth certificate that President Obama released.

217 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:50:19am

re: #211 ozemc

Yes, I would be satisfied.

You only answer half of my question, there was two parts. Why do you refuse to answer this… ” if he couldn’t produce it, would it change anything?” … after I asked you three times?

218 Syrah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:50:28am

re: #214 SixDegrees

Why? It’s the job of those bringing the accusations to provide proof to back up their claims. It is NOT the job of the accused to refute pointless observations or acquiesce to a baseless demand for a negative proof.

A hundred thousand updings!

219 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:50:53am

re: #205 ozemc

My certified copy has the name of the hospital and the doctor who performed the delivery on it. Does the document produced have that information? No.

Different state, different way of doing things.

220 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:51:14am

re: #150 ozemc

There is a simple response to this— it is none of your business. A birth certificate is not a public record. Period. What has been provided shows the necessary information — a birth in the US. There is nothing else to be said about it.

Please, shift your focus to points that matter.

221 AuntAcid  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:51:53am

re: #210 Ward Cleaver

James May, “Captain Slow” on BBC’s Top Gear, plans to build a life-sized house out of Legos.

No matter what crazy off-handed shit one might come up with, somebody, somewhere is doing it.

222 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:52:10am

re: #210 Ward Cleaver

James May, “Captain Slow” on BBC’s Top Gear, plans to build a life-sized house out of Legos.

Sweet, but those chairs and beds are gonna be a bitch to use. Also, how’s he gonna run romex in there?

223 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:52:34am

re: #205 ozemc

My certified copy has the name of the hospital and the doctor who performed the delivery on it. Does the document produced have that information? No.

My state certificate doesn’t list the doctor. And as already noted, this is pointless; it’s an attempt to divert attention away from the fact that there’s no proof 0 is NOT a citizen, for example in the form of a Kenyan birth certificate.

Come back when you have something concrete. Or contact the Troofers, or the Bigfoot wranglers, who constantly and deliberately employ identical tactics - “I say it’s true; prove me wrong!”

224 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:53:55am
225 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:55:11am

re: #213 MikeySDCA

Are you surprised?

yes …

226 oh_dude  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:55:19am

I don’t believe in Nirthers, but I believe in Bigfoot

That makes me a crank, just not that kind of crank.

227 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:55:37am

Creeping (and creepy) eugenic drivel of the day, from Facebook, re the run-over whale:

Friend of friend: That ship wasn’t exactly hunting whales, it was just a’movin’ around. One might think after many, many millenia the whales would be real good at avoiding big ships. My guess is most are. This one just got naturally selected out of the Moby gene pool.

What *I’m* wondering about is the long term impact of humanity’s interference into the … Read Morenatural selection process of our own species. I mean, don’t we do everything we can to keep the weak INSIDE the gene pool??? Wonder what that means for us a hundred thousand years from now…

Anyone got Darwins great-great-great greanddaughter on speed dial?…

Cato: We haven’t had big ships for “many, many millenia (sic)”. Big ships fast enough to kill whales by accident go back maybe 150 years.

Question: If an American fails to look right in London and gets nailed by a big black taxi, is that “natural selection”? I think Darwin had a different definition in mind.

But you’re right, it would be so much better to let weak babies die on hillsides like the Spartans did. Why, without altruism and mercy buttressed by medical advances and social contracts, we’d be a race of Übermenschen by now. All the men would look like Herbert von Karajan (photographed from his good side) and we’d all marry blonde stick insects like Ann Coulter.

And weaklings like Steven Hawking would not be allowed to wed and pollute our genetic cesspool with three potentially weak children.

Eugenics and Objectivism now!

Fof: I see you’re far too hysterical for actual thinking. An interesting leap you chose to make from where I left it, in any case. It’s an interesting topic to explore for those who enjoy a good discussion, but I’m thinking you’re not necessarily one of that sort, so let’s leave it there :)

Cato: Hysterical? LOL. Let’s just say I have a really good crypto-Nazi detector. And leave it at that.

This is a typical example of the “thinking” at a horrible company I used to work for. I’ll collect bottles and cans before I work for these devils again.

BBL. Must go stick finger down throat.

228 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:56:12am

I find it hilarious to imagine the thought process Obama’s young mother must have been following… “Hmmm… it’s 1961, I’m 17, unmarried and I just gave birth to a boy fathered by a Muslim man from Kenya. I guess I better sneak the baby back into America and plant a false cover story about how he was born in the USA, ‘cuz ya know, there’s a real good chance he’s going to grow up and be President of the United States one day.”

Yeah, that’s the ticket.

229 ozemc  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:56:47am

re: #217 Walter L. Newton

You only answer half of my question, there was two parts. Why do you refuse to answer this… ” if he couldn’t produce it, would it change anything?” … after I asked you three times?

The point is: he could produce it. The question is: why won’t he?

230 keithgabryelski  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:57:53am

re: #205 ozemc

My certified copy has the name of the hospital and the doctor who performed the delivery on it. Does the document produced have that information? No.

Hawaii has one form that can be released by their Department of Health:

[Link: hawaii.gov…]

It has been verified (by the head of Hawaii’s DOH that the certificate President Obama released is a valid Hawaiian birth certificate:

[Link: www.factcheck.org…]

231 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:57:57am

I’ve got it!

Either a “Wreck” of nithers (a group of seabirds)

A “sloth” of nirthers (bears)

A “drove” of nirthers (for asses)

A “murder” of nirthers (crows)

A “nuisance” of nirthers (cats)

How are these? Any consensus?

232 Syrah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:58:12am

re: #229 ozemc

The point is: he could produce it. The question is: why won’t he?

To keep the frothing loons on the right so distracted with fantasy land kookiness that he can pretty much get away with anything he wants.

233 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:58:13am

re: #224 J.D.

What causes the bubbles in a glass of champagne?

We watched a segment on about how champagne is made (at Korbel) Saturday night on Food Network’s Unwrapped (it was a show about foods that fizz), and the guy at Korbel estimated there were 50 million bubbles in a bottle of champagne, based on the volume of the bottle and the amount of CO2.

234 theheat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:58:17am

re: #223 SixDegrees

Similarly, regarding disgraced preacher Jim Bakker (Tammy Faye’s ex): When confronted about the missing $158,000,000, he claimed that Satan had gotten into his ministry’s computers to make the money lost. When asked if he could prove Satan stole the money, he replied, “Can you prove he didn’t?”

The Nirthers are applying the same logic.

235 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:58:43am

J.D.!

236 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:59:06am

re: #121 JohnnyReb

The nirthers will never go away. Just do a google on 9/11 conspiracy, the JFK assassination, the faked moon landing, Lincoln assassination, etc.

Folks it will never go away. It might fade some, but it will never go away. People need to just ignore it and it will fade somewhat into the background noise.

Reb: I keep seeing comparisons of the Nirther business to 9/11 Truthers, but there’s really no comparison. For starters…

1. No Congressperson ever introduced a 9/11 Truther bill.

2. No news network employed anchors or pundits who preached 9/11 Truth.

Right? This has gone “mainstream” to several orders of magnitude beyond the Truther craziness.

237 Big Steve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:59:15am

re: #229 ozemc

The point is: he could produce it. The question is: why won’t he?

A) He has
B) By not showing anything else he gets to prolong idiots like you which in turn make his opposition look stupid.

238 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:59:31am

re: #205 ozemc

My certified copy has the name of the hospital and the doctor who performed the delivery on it. Does the document produced have that information? No.

Different states have different standards.

239 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:59:31am

re: #229 ozemc

The point is: he could produce it. The question is: why won’t he?

Why should he? He’s already done what is needed to be done. Why should he present it for the sake of the Kool Aid drinkers?

240 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:59:56am

re: #229 ozemc

The point is: he could produce it. The question is: why won’t he?

Because it might contain private family information which is none of your business. The only pertinent information is whether or not he was born in the US— and that has been established.

241 ozemc  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:59:57am

re: #223 SixDegrees

My state certificate doesn’t list the doctor. And as already noted, this is pointless; it’s an attempt to divert attention away from the fact that there’s no proof 0 is NOT a citizen, for example in the form of a Kenyan birth certificate.

Come back when you have something concrete. Or contact the Troofers, or the Bigfoot wranglers, who constantly and deliberately employ identical tactics - “I say it’s true; prove me wrong!”

You completely miss the point. I’m not saying it’s true or not, I’m saying “I don’t know”. And until a certificate is produced that shows the name of the doctor and the hospital, just like others at the time did, neither do you or anyone else. You’re taking someone else’s word for it, who has a vested interest. Sorry, I’m too much of a skeptic for that.

242 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:00:30am

re: #233 Ward Cleaver

Are you saying the CO2 in champagne causes Global Warming?

243 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:00:34am

re: #228 Kenneth

I find it hilarious to imagine the thought process Obama’s young mother must have been following… “Hmmm… it’s 1961, I’m 17, unmarried and I just gave birth to a boy fathered by a Muslim man from Kenya. I guess I better sneak the baby back into America and plant a false cover story about how he was born in the USA, ‘cuz ya know, there’s a real good chance he’s going to grow up and be President of the United States one day.”

Yeah, that’s the ticket.

It’s worse than that… Jusoneminute is pushing the story that she planted the birth announcements in Hawaii to have ammo if there was a cusody battle in Africa…I’m frigging speechless

244 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:00:38am

re: #233 Ward Cleaver

CO2 has some value besides feeding plant life.

WARD!

245 shug  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:01:14am

re: #192 keithgabryelski

We agree, there.

I know congressman McCotter and his family and he dodged the question, not even responding to some dipshit with a camera.

he was portrayed unfairly in that video. he is not a nirther supporter, he just didn’t want to be cornered by some guy with a camera

246 ozemc  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:02:53am

re: #230 keithgabryelski

Hawaii has one form that can be released by their Department of Health:

[Link: hawaii.gov…]

It has been verified (by the head of Hawaii’s DOH that the certificate President Obama released is a valid Hawaiian birth certificate:

[Link: www.factcheck.org…]

re: #240 calcajun

Because it might contain private family information which is none of your business. The only pertinent information is whether or not he was born in the US— and that has been established.

Then that family information can be redacted. Look at the real birth certificates from that time. They’re all over the internet.

247 keithgabryelski  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:03:31am

re: #241 ozemc

You completely miss the point. I’m not saying it’s true or not, I’m saying “I don’t know”. And until a certificate is produced that shows the name of the doctor and the hospital, just like others at the time did, neither do you or anyone else. You’re taking someone else’s word for it, who has a vested interest. Sorry, I’m too much of a skeptic for that.

Who has a vested interest in lying about this and what is their interest in lying?

Do you admit he has shown a legal document that Hawaii, the federal government, and thus all other states see as proof of birth?

248 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:03:45am

re: #246 ozemc

Then that family information can be redacted. Look at the real birth certificates from that time. They’re all over the internet.

They are? Where? Many states keep this kind of information priavte, including Hawai’i. Pull your head from your ass. It’s more useful that way.

249 Syrah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:04:26am

re: #241 ozemc

You completely miss the point. I’m not saying it’s true or not, I’m saying “I don’t know”. And until a certificate is produced that shows the name of the doctor and the hospital, just like others at the time did, neither do you or anyone else. You’re taking someone else’s word for it, who has a vested interest. Sorry, I’m too much of a skeptic for that.

Here is the proof of your “distraction” that you should seriously reconsider.

You HAVE TO take some one elses word for it. To do otherwise is to suggest that neither you nor any other Nirther could be “satisfied unless you could put your physical hands on the documents that you want to see.

250 keithgabryelski  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:04:50am

re: #245 shug

I know congressman McCotter and his family and he dodged the question, not even responding to some dipshit with a camera.

he was portrayed unfairly in that video. he is not a nirther supporter, he just didn’t want to be cornered by some guy with a camera

I can see response. It seems McCotter does not have the same confidence in his response that Franks does.

Or maybe he had to go pee.

251 JustMyView  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:04:52am

re: #241 ozemc

You completely miss the point. I’m not saying it’s true or not, I’m saying “I don’t know”. And until a certificate is produced that shows the name of the doctor and the hospital, just like others at the time did, neither do you or anyone else. You’re taking someone else’s word for it, who has a vested interest. Sorry, I’m too much of a skeptic for that.

You’re not a skeptic. You’re an idiot. What vested interest could the Republican governor possibly have?

252 ozemc  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:05:38am

re: #247 keithgabryelski

Who has a vested interest in lying about this and what is their interest in lying?

Do you admit he has shown a legal document that Hawaii, the federal government, and thus all other states see as proof of birth?

Factcheck.org for one.

As far as acceptance, Hawaii itself didn’t accept it until about 2 months ago. Look it up. They wanted the original birth certificate for specific services.

253 ozemc  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:06:34am

re: #248 Honorary Yooper

They are? Where? Many states keep this kind of information priavte, including Hawai’i. Pull your head from your ass. It’s more useful that way.

Real smart conversation. You’ve just been tossed into the irrelevent file.

254 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:07:31am

re: #241 ozemc

You completely miss the point. I’m not saying it’s true or not, I’m saying “I don’t know”. And until a certificate is produced that shows the name of the doctor and the hospital, just like others at the time did, neither do you or anyone else. You’re taking someone else’s word for it, who has a vested interest. Sorry, I’m too much of a skeptic for that.

I had to get a copy of my BC and it doesn’t have the hospital or doctor either, and it’s 100% a legal and valid document for proof of citizenship.

255 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:07:41am

Must go back to salt mine.

BBIAW

256 ozemc  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:08:17am

re: #249 Syrah

Here is the proof of your “distraction” that you should seriously reconsider.

You HAVE TO take some one elses word for it. To do otherwise is to suggest that neither you nor any other Nirther could be “satisfied unless you could put your physical hands on the documents that you want to see.

Absolutley, I do. Produce the same documents that other people born at the same time in Hawaii have produced. A document showing the name of the doctor and the hospital. That shouldn’t be too hard.

257 keithgabryelski  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:08:26am

re: #246 ozemc

Then that family information can be redacted. Look at the real birth certificates from that time. They’re all over the internet.

That family information IS redacted from the short form birth certificate. That is the point of the birth certificate released by Hawaii’s DOH.

Why is this document not acceptable to you if it is accept to all states and federal government agencies?

258 ozemc  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:09:11am

re: #251 JustMyView

You’re not a skeptic. You’re an idiot. What vested interest could the Republican governor possibly have?

Just another ad hominem attack. Another irrelevent poster.

259 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:09:35am

re: #253 ozemc

Real smart conversation. You’ve just been tossed into the irrelevent file.

Whatever. Bite me, asshole.

260 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:10:15am

re: #256 ozemc

Absolutley, I do. Produce the same documents that other people born at the same time in Hawaii have produced. A document showing the name of the doctor and the hospital. That shouldn’t be too hard.

Been done, and it was done on LGF.

261 fortunate son  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:10:23am

Just for grins though, say it was determined that O wasn’t born in the US. What would happen?

262 Lee Coller  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:11:01am

re: #229 ozemc

The point is: he could produce it. The question is: why won’t he?

You should do two things:

1) Google “first rule of holes.”
2) Use the LGF search to find the numerous threads that have already covered this topic and read the responses to the question you asked that has been asked countless times before on those threads.

If your already aware of 2, whose sock puppet are you?

263 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:11:02am

re: #150 ozemc

So, Charles, if it turns out to be true, will you be calling yourself a crank?

You know, I didnt really think too much about this until lately, but with all the money being wasted on this in this horrible economy, why doesn’t the President just show his records? I mean, there was all the outrage over Bush’s ANG records. You yourself showed how the famous memos that Dan Rather put on were fake. Congress specfically vetted McCain’s records to prove HE was a “natural-born” citizen, so why wasn’t the same thing done for Obama?

I know I can’t get a driver’s license without a birth certificate, or a SS card, or sign up my kids for sports without theirs, so I don’t see what the big deal is.

Just show it, and get it over with.

Obama must have a social security card, as he is now and was employed prior to taking office. He also has a US Passport, requiring presentation of a birth certificate.

So, if he has those things, then he has produced a birth certificate or a Certificate of Live Birth that meet the requirements for proof of citizenship.

Why don’t you get that?

264 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:11:15am

re: #258 ozemc

Just another ad hominem attack. Another irrelevent poster.

I may not agree with JMV often, and may ding him down a lot, but I agree with him about you.

You are an idiot.

265 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:11:25am

re: #253 ozemc

Real smart conversation. You’ve just been tossed into the irrelevent file.

Not by you pal…You should stop while you are somewhat ahead…

266 ozemc  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:11:30am

re: #259 Honorary Yooper

Whatever. Bite me, asshole.

As I said … real smart conversation. It’s usually that way when people run out of intelligent things to say. They resort to profanity and ad hominem attacks. Shows your level of education.

267 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:12:10am

re: #265 HoosierHoops

Not by you pal…You should stop while you are somewhat ahead…

He fell behind long ago.

268 Syrah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:12:31am

work calls.
Back this evening.

269 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:12:34am

re: #261 fortunate son

Just for grins though, say it was determined that O wasn’t born in the US. What would happen?

We’d get Joe, I guess.
I’m not so sure that would be a trade up.

270 keithgabryelski  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:12:38am

re: #252 ozemc

Factcheck.org for one.

Provide some evidence factcheck.org is bias in this area.

As far as acceptance, Hawaii itself didn’t accept it until about 2 months ago. Look it up. They wanted the original birth certificate for specific services.

That is a wild claim and wild claims require evidence. Please provide some evidence to your claim that Hawaii has required the long form birth certificate for any official use any time last year.

Hawaii’s DOH has no mechanism for releasing information on the long form birth certificate (and this has been the case for years).

[Link: hawaii.gov…]

271 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:12:44am

re: #253 ozemc

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Learn it,
Know it,
Live it.
Move on please, this has become tiresome.

272 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:13:30am

re: #242 Kenneth

Are you saying the CO2 in champagne causes Global Warming?

Korbel warming…

273 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:14:10am

re: #266 ozemc

As I said … real smart conversation. It’s usually that way when people run out of intelligent things to say. They resort to profanity and ad hominem attacks. Shows your level of education.

Right. You’ve been told several times about how he already had to show it to get certain documents he already has. You’ve been told that the doctor’s name need not appear on the birth certificate. You’ve also been told that these are not considered public documents in some states such as Hawai’i. Yet you persist, and you even claim Governor Lingle is in on it.

You sir are an idiot.

274 ozemc  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:16:05am

re: #273 Honorary Yooper

Right. You’ve been told several times about how he already had to show it to get certain documents he already has. You’ve been told that the doctor’s name need not appear on the birth certificate. You’ve also been told that these are not considered public documents in some states such as Hawai’i. Yet you persist, and you even claim Governor Lingle is in on it.

You sir are an idiot.

Show me where I claimed the Governor was in on it?

Again, you show your level of education.

275 J.S.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:16:43am

re: #246 ozemc

Have you been listening to Lou Dobbs by any chance? You’re basically repeating the same thing that Lou Dobbs stated. Lou Dobbs expressed his dissatisfaction with the FactCheck.org’s copy of the “short-form” birth certificate. Lou Dobbs wants to see the Long Form (that would give all the info with respect to hospital, attending physician, etc.)…but, you know, I’m beginning to think that even a “long form” certificate wouldn’t satisfy certain parties…

276 martinsmithy  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:16:53am

Ann Coulter a RINO!!! Now I’ve heard it all.

A few years ago I thought the Democrat party might be supplanted by a new “second party” in the U.S. Now perhaps it’s the Republicans that will be supplanted.

But there is hope. It’s taken 12 years, but the Conservatives in Britain have finally gotten over what ailed them and are poised to take power at the next election. It helps when your opponents are lead by an incompetent tyrant like Gordon Brown, but if the Conservatives hadn’t reformed themselves even Gordon couldn’t prevent further Labor Party victories.

277 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:16:57am

re: #274 ozemc

Show me where I claimed the Governor was in on it?

Again, you show your level of education.

OK.
I’ll ask.
What is your level of education?

278 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:18:44am

That’s enough. I’m blocking ‘ozemc’.

I won’t tolerate this insanity being promoted at LGF.

279 keithgabryelski  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:19:40am

re: #274 ozemc

Show me where I claimed the Governor was in on it?

Do you know the Governor of Hawaii has certified the birth certificate factcheck.org shows on its site?

280 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:19:49am

re: #274 ozemc

Show me where I claimed the Governor was in on it?

Again, you show your level of education.

You’ve inferred it in your comments.

And, WTF does “level of education” have to do with this?

281 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:20:22am

re: #277 J.D.

OK.
I’ll ask.
What is your level of education?

C’mon, J.D. Can’t you spot an Associate’s Degree from the Lyndon LaRouche School of Conspiracy, part of Luap Nor University, when you’ve got one right in front of your nose?

;^)

282 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:20:49am

re: #278 Charles

That’s enough. I’m blocking ‘ozemc’.

I won’t tolerate this insanity being promoted at LGF.

And they always start so innocently:

You know, I didnt really think too much about this until lately, but with all the money being wasted on this in this horrible economy, why doesn’t the President just show his records?
283 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:21:19am

re: #282 wrenchwench

There’s always a big but.

284 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:22:02am

re: #283 Sharmuta

There’s always a big but.

And always a big ass making the claims.

285 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:22:29am

re: #283 Sharmuta

There’s always a big but.

Ah, for the old days, when we could use html to enhance a “but” like that…

286 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:22:39am

re: #281 Cato the Elder

C’mon, J.D. Can’t you spot an Associate’s Degree from the Lyndon LaRouche School of Conspiracy, part of Luap Nor University, when you’ve got one right in front of your nose?

;^)

Heh heh.

I was kind of interested to know. It seemed to be such a burning issue with him/her/whatever.

287 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:24:45am

re: #283 Sharmuta

There’s always a big but.

Butt that’s what makes the cheekiness so hip.

/*scrambling back over to the newer thread* !

288 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:24:57am

re: #282 wrenchwench

They often start with that type of approach, come in to the issue from the flank so they don’t just get blown out of the water immediately. Another tactic they are using to get their 2 cents out is by starting with “I think he’s a citizen but…” and leading into the “why doesn’t he just show it to shut them up.”

We know it’s you when you do this nirthers… try something different because this isn’t working out for you… kooks.

289 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:25:52am

re: #266 ozemc

re: #272 eschew_obfuscation

Korbel warming…

It’s bad enough chilled. Eww.

Looks like ozmec is gone. Sigh. It was getting to be like the Python “Argument Sketch” in here. He/she never responded to the question of why the available public records are insufficient— just kept parroting the same talking points of “show me”.

That’s rude, and this is what happens when you’re rude.
I won’t tolerate rude behavior…

290 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:26:30am

re: #278 Charles

That’s enough. I’m blocking ‘ozemc’.

I won’t tolerate this insanity being promoted at LGF.

Thank you…Frigging nuts…
By these standards I could never be POTUS… Born on a ranch outside of Firebaugh by a single underage farm hand girl.. No doctor around. I was shit canned and moved through many homes until I was Adopted.. The State legally changed my BC and sealed it with the Courts official seal.. You will never see the original BC…Ever…So maybe I was really born in Africa and the court is covering it up…The Courts in California says you can never see the original.. It how they roll…

291 yochanan  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:40:46am

ann is an expert on ‘cranks’

292 shiek al beif salami  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:45:59am

re: #64 Gang of One

A placenta of birthers.

293 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:52:00am

And Ann: those “three remaining Klan members”? Think again.

Oops, I forgot: racism is dead, right?

294 yochanan  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:52:46am

this is another issue that is a waste of time like i.d. the zero isn’t going to be tossed from office over it even if it were true (which in my opinion it is as false as the 9-11 truthers) and if it looked like he was going to lose it i think that would cause a civil war or something like it.

frankly i intend to keep to issues i care about, Israel, islmo fascism, having a strong national defence and fighting the lefts globull warming crap.

295 KingKenrod  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:59:12am

Why is it Coulter’s job to apologize for birthers?

She should apologize for being on Geraldo’s show.

296 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:02:35pm

re: #295 KingKenrod

Geraldo should apologize for having her.

297 Athos  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:12:06pm

re: #294 yochanan

this is another issue that is a waste of time like i.d. the zero isn’t going to be tossed from office over it even if it were true (which in my opinion it is as false as the 9-11 truthers) and if it looked like he was going to lose it i think that would cause a civil war or something like it.

frankly i intend to keep to issues i care about, Israel, islmo fascism, having a strong national defence and fighting the lefts globull warming crap.

I agree with you - but we also have a responsibility to stand up, shine a bright light on the nutters in the conservative movement / GOP - and boot them out just as Buckeley did when he confronted the Birchers who were tainting conservatism 40 years ago. If we don’t, we hand our opponents a cudgel that they will only too happily take to us ensuring their continued electoral success as we will be painted and defined as kooks who aren’t responsible enough for power.

Nirtherism is no different from trooferism or even the whackos who continue to bleat about Florida in 2000 - it is an embracement of the derangement syndrome we ridiculed for years. Becoming our enemy is not the way to win - we don’t get the pass that they do for their looniness.

298 LGoPs  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:11:54pm

re: #5 MandyManners

A gaggle of geese. A herd of buffaloes. A ___ of Nirthers.

Anyone?

A nursery of nirthers…?

299 Danny  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:45:37pm

re: #295 KingKenrod

My thoughts as well. Is she responsible for the conspiracy or something?

300 Hawaii69  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:44:49pm

re: #252 ozemc

Factcheck.org for one.

As far as acceptance, Hawaii itself didn’t accept it until about 2 months ago. Look it up. They wanted the original birth certificate for specific services.

How could The State Hawaii not accept a document produced by the State of Hawaii?

The head of the Hawaii Dept. of Health and the Registrar of Vital Statistics released a joint statment 9 months ago, certifying that Obama was in fact born in Hawaii. They were tired of the constant requests.

[Link: www.kitv.com…]

301 Drider  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:56:21pm

Absolute insanity to think Obama is not an American born citizen and/or a communist.We have all seen the unequivocal proof that neither are true.

Next.

302 DaChew  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:04:59pm

It’s… it’s just so stupid. Why won’t it go away.


It’s so stupid, it makes my brain hurt when I look at it.

303 notutopia  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:05:01pm

Enough already! GOP! Please intervene and root the problem nirthers out by the nutroots!
We have far to go to 2012, and we’ve got to weed out the party nuts who are ensnaring and wasting our very precious media and financial resources on this total nonsense.
ENOUGH!

304 Malatrope  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 4:00:29pm

I wish our side (ie, non-frothing-lefty) would learn how to fight. It’s pretty evident that Obama is refusing to show the right documentation (as is his right, to the public anyway) just to watch the crazies disassemble our whole political bandwagon. It makes for great TV. Very simple, very ancient, very adroit politickin’.

And, one by one, whatever leaders we have on our side are discredited by association as they give in to the temptation to comment on this incredibly trivial issue. (Trivial in the sense that even if proven, nothing would be done about it, nada, zero, nope, not no-how.)

If there is a case to be made, take it to court, quietly, and announce it to the world after you’ve won your case in a legitimate judicial setting (if there are any left). Otherwise, nirthers/birthers/shirkers/whatevers should just shut the fv

305 Malatrope  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 4:03:28pm

Hmmm…I forgot about HTML tags.
That last should continue “…ck up and get out of the way so the rest of us can concentrate on explaining to the rest of the country just how far The Black Stalin is trying to take this country down.”

306 Ian MacGregor  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 8:23:53pm

Conspiracies have a life of their own. No evidence will stop the Nirthers. If Obama produced exactly what they demanded, the charge would be that we have people who are excellent at forging such documents who are part of the conspiracy. The goal always shifts.

I wonder how many nirthers think the troofers are foolish. Is the intersection of the nirther and troofer sets empty or large.

Is the lens through which those who believe in these things see the world make them more likely to accept any conspiracy or just conspiracies about those they do not favor?

307 Cowboy Logic  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:31:58pm

I don”t think I am a crank, a loon, a fool, or any other sort of bizzarro. If I must show an ORIGINAL birth certificate to get a driver’s license or a marriage license, why is my expectation that Obama show a valid ORIGINAL birth certificate to become a U.S. Senator or POTUS considered sufficient evidence to brand me nuts?

308 Syrah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:04:18pm

re: #307 Cowboy Logic

I don”t think I am a crank, a loon, a fool, or any other sort of bizzarro. If I must show an ORIGINAL birth certificate to get a driver’s license or a marriage license, why is my expectation that Obama show a valid ORIGINAL birth certificate to become a U.S. Senator or POTUS considered sufficient evidence to brand me nuts?

You might well be a crank, a loon, a fool, a bizzarro or just grossly misinformed. You do not need to show an ORIGINAL birth certificate for anything. A certified birth certificate, is all that you need.

309 Syrah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:12:34pm

re: #307 Cowboy Logic

By the way. Nirtherism is a fools folly.

It leads only to madness.

310 Salamantis  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:59:33pm

re: #307 Cowboy Logic

I don”t think I am a crank, a loon, a fool, or any other sort of bizzarro. If I must show an ORIGINAL birth certificate to get a driver’s license or a marriage license, why is my expectation that Obama show a valid ORIGINAL birth certificate to become a U.S. Senator or POTUS considered sufficient evidence to brand me nuts?

You don’t think that Obama has obtained a driver’s license or a marriage license?

311 Throbert McGee  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:16:28am

re: #35 MandyManners

Crank Milk??
Thanks for that …
Brain bleach…STAT!!

It’s the new KoolAid.

But crank milk is MUCH tastier with on cookies — I’ll take it over KoolAid any ol’ day!

/except maybe for the greatly-missed Sharkleberry Finn…

312 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:38:24pm

re: #307 Cowboy Logic

I don”t think I am a crank, a loon, a fool, or any other sort of bizzarro. If I must show an ORIGINAL birth certificate to get a driver’s license or a marriage license, why is my expectation that Obama show a valid ORIGINAL birth certificate to become a U.S. Senator or POTUS considered sufficient evidence to brand me nuts?

Ironic username there.

Has it occurred to you that Barack Obama probably had a driver’s license long before he was President, and that he’s married? What does that suggest to you?

313 Obsidiandog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:25:51pm

Why is it incumbent on Ann Coulter to “apologize” for a bunch of idiots? If she pushed it and changed her mind that is one thing, but as far as I can tell she isn’t a nirther. I bet she doesn’t mind people nipping at Obama’s heels, though, no matter how stupid they are, as long as they are giving him grief, but it’s not her responsibility.

314 Alan K. Henderson  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:57:54am

I don’t think Limbaugh is a nirther, as much as WND would like him to be. I think he’s criticizing Obama for failing to disarm the nutcases (as much as possible) by coughing up the long-form birth certificate.

His mother’s citizenship status is more important than that certificate. If she was an American citizen, he was a citizen, no matter where he was born.


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