Birthers on the Hill

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Ladies and gentlemen, I give you your elected Republican officials. Only one, Trent Franks (R-Arizona), issues an unequivocal denunciation of the Birth Certificate loons. Most of the others avoid the question, and one or two seem to be Nirthers themselves.

Youtube Video

It really stinks that Huffington Post and Mike Stark are milking these Nirther morons for every drop of bad publicity.

But if the GOP won’t do something about their own nutroots, they deserve it.

And I’m not just talking about Nirthers. For example, when Sarah Palin refuses to answer a direct question and admit that bombing an abortion clinic is “terrorism,” she’s doing it for the same reason — she’s pandering to the extremists in the base. (And really turning off people like me.)

(Hat tip: Killgore.)

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1 Gang of One  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:46:35am

Fools on the Hill. A Ron Paul McCartney tune ...

2 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:47:12am

Love the Chariots of Fire!

3 Catttt  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:47:57am
Youtube Video
4 quiet man  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:48:02am

Maybe we should push them down...The GOP would be the first party to do so.

5 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:48:51am

I'm pretty sure this video was made by Koskid and notorious moonbat Mike Stark

6 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:48:57am

Why Republicans want to keep Alex Jones and ilk in business is really beyond me.

7 Last Mohican  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:49:01am

Well, there was Rep. Mike Castle (R-DE), the one who got ambushed by that pod of Nirthers at his town hall meeting. He said unequivocally that Obama's a citizen.

8 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:50:04am

re: #6 Thanos

Why Republicans want to keep Alex Jones and ilk in business is really beyond me.

Mystifying.

9 Kragar  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:50:34am

re: #7 Last Mohican

Well, there was Rep. Mike Castle (R-DE), the one who got ambushed by that pod of Nirthers at his town hall meeting. He said unequivocally that Obama's a citizen.

So he is in on it too, eh?

///

10 Last Mohican  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:50:56am

Here's the reply to the nirthers from a blogger who subscribes to the Henry Gates school of politics: the nirther thing is actually all about race!

11 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:51:10am

Those in bed with the Paleocons are not going to disavow this clearly, there are crazies to milk and if that's where the R's are going I will be leaving after 2010 elections.

12 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:51:33am

re: #1 Gang of One

Fools on the Hill. A Ron Paul McCartney tune ...

It was also the title of a British documentary on the invention of television.

13 jaunte  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:51:59am

Some fast walking going on in that video.

14 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:52:27am

re: #6 Thanos

Why Republicans want to keep Alex Jones and ilk in business is really beyond me.

Especially given all his troofer crap regarding the Bush administration.

15 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:52:29am

re: #10 Last Mohican

Gates hasn't a thing to do with Nirthers, why do you keep bringing it up especially so off topically early in Nirther threads?

16 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:52:43am

re: #13 jaunte

Some fast walking going on in that video.

Stress test!

17 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:53:23am

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So he is in on it too, eh?

///

Illuminati!

/

18 Alaska Kim  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:53:58am

Funny how you can put Sarah Palin in the same post about loons.

19 SecondComing  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:54:16am

So is it Birthers or Nirthers?

Either way they need to give it up. What's next a revival of the Whitey tape and the African press story?

20 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:54:18am

re: #10 Last Mohican

Here's the reply to the nirthers from a blogger who subscribes to the Henry Gates school of politics: the nirther thing is actually all about race!

Oddly, I've often wondered that myself, if the whole 'nirther issue isn't just about race, and the racism of the 'nirthers coming to the forefront.

Would they do this to a different candidate, say Hillary Clinton or John McCain?

21 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:54:22am

What a novel concept. Trent Frank had his staff do some research on it. They found information that answered the question. I'll bet that man gets re-elected.

22 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:54:39am

Actually- I'm not that surprised. Most of Congress couldn't pass a basic civics test, so it's not as it they're smart. Maybe we should quit electing morons.

23 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:55:25am

The nirthers are freaking boat anchors on the Republican recovery, and from the congress-critters response in the video, they are welded in.

24 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:55:29am

re: #15 Thanos

Gates hasn't a thing to do with Nirthers, why do you keep bringing it up especially so off topically early in Nirther threads?

Because focusing on the little issues real helps the team, Thanos. ///

25 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:55:55am

re: #21 wrenchwench

What a novel concept. Trent Frank had his staff do some research on it. They found information that answered the question. I'll bet that man gets re-elected.

Frank 2012!

26 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:56:11am

IMHO both major political parties are compromised beyond repair with fringe people and loonies.

27 jaunte  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:57:29am

re: #18 Alaska Kim

Funny how you can put Sarah Palin in the same post about loons.

I'm not a basher of Sarah Palin, but the post is accurate in pointing out that she was pandering to a conservative base that didn't want to hear that murder described as terrorism.

28 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:58:11am

re: #21 wrenchwench
Trent Frank+s

PIMF

And I should say "re-elected again--he's been there since 2003.

29 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:58:23am

re: #26 Ojoe

IMHO both major political parties are compromised beyond repair with fringe people and loonies.

Maybe that's the solution- instead of forming a third party of normal people maybe there should be a "Wack Job Party" where both sides loonies can be dumped.

/Once again life imitates Monty Python...

30 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:58:48am

Everybody mark your calenders, Obama's alleged Nirth Day is next week on August 4th. Let's have an Alleged Nirth Day party. Maybe a Kenyan theme would be nice.
/

31 Last Mohican  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:58:51am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

Oddly, I've often wondered that myself, if the whole 'nirther issue isn't just about race, and the racism of the 'nirthers coming to the forefront.

Would they do this to a different candidate, say Hillary Clinton or John McCain?

During the election, there was a brief flurry of interest in the theory that John McCain was actually not eligible to run for president, because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, and therefore was not actually a "natural born citizen."

IIRC, even the crazed moonbats on sites like Kos and digg.com dismissed that one pretty quickly, saying things like "we should vote against McCain because he's a clone of Bush who literally wants to declare war on every other country for the next hundred years! But he's certainly eligible to run."

32 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 10:58:59am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

Oddly, I've often wondered that myself, if the whole 'nirther issue isn't just about race, and the racism of the 'nirthers coming to the forefront.

Would they do this to a different candidate, say Hillary Clinton or John McCain?

Well, we certainly did hear some chatter about McCain from the left, before the election, and testing the waters about his citizenship.

So, yes, they would, the looney left.

33 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:00:01am

re: #5 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure this video was made by Koskid and notorious moonbat Mike Stark

Up is down. Right is left. Nirthers are nuts.

34 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:00:33am
35 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:00:39am

re: #29 CIA Reject

What did Monty Python call that party in their skit?

The Silly Party?

36 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:00:39am

re: #25 Sharmuta

Frank 2012!

Not so fast, at least for me:

He also served four and a half years as the Executive Director of the Arizona Family Research Institute, a nonprofit organization associated with James Dobson's Focus on the Family for the purpose of advocating public policy to protect children and families in Arizona.
37 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:01:04am

re: #33 Charles

Up is down. Right is left. Nirthers are nuts.

It's pretty sad when Mike Stark is able to get your goat.

38 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:01:13am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

Oddly, I've often wondered that myself, if the whole 'nirther issue isn't just about race, and the racism of the 'nirthers coming to the forefront.

Would they do this to a different candidate, say Hillary Clinton or John McCain?

Republicans won't admit how down and dirty their politics are. They say this about the Dems all the time, but they are just as guilty. They did it to Clinton from when he was governor and before even, about his roving eye. Somehow these Republican twits put themselves morally above him. We know better today (we knew better then, but whatever).

Let them holler and hoot all they want. They're dimwits and rational people won't want anything to do with them.

39 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:02:07am

re: #35 Ojoe

What did Monty Python call that party in their skit?

The Silly Party?

Yes, I think they had the Silly Party, the Very Silly Party, and the Very Very Silly Party- or something like that...

40 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:02:16am

re: #32 Walter L. Newton

Well, we certainly did hear some chatter about McCain from the left, before the election, and testing the waters about his citizenship.

So, yes, they would, the looney left.

Case in point.

41 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:02:55am

For 8 yrs we rubbed code pink and their like in the left's face but it never stuck because they have facilitators in the MSM. That won't work out so well for us with nirthers because those same facilitators will be carrying water for the left again on this.
If you care about conservative politics you must take an unequivocable stand on this like Charles has and smack it down whenever it arises.
Our congresscritters are not appearing very adult and trustworthy in this video.

42 Racer X  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:03:04am

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Everybody mark your calenders, Obama's alleged Nirth Day is next week on August 4th. Let's have an Alleged Nirth Day party. Maybe a Kenyan theme would be nice.
/

Happy Nirthday to you,
Happy Nirthday to you,
Happy Nirthday, dear Barra-ack,
Happy Nirthday to you!

43 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:03:52am

re: #41 Thanos

For 8 yrs we rubbed code pink and their like in the left's face but it never stuck because they have facilitators in the MSM. That won't work out so well for us with nirthers because those same facilitators will be carrying water for the left again on this.
If you care about conservative politics you must take an unequivocable stand on this like Charles has and smack it down whenever it arises.
Our congresscritters are not appearing very adult and trustworthy in this video.

Precisely!

44 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:04:21am

re: #18 Alaska Kim

Funny how you can put Sarah Palin in the same post about loons.

It's a technique known as making a point, and backing it up with a similar example.

45 Shug  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:04:26am

If some guy I don't know with some hand held camera approached me on the street and asked me what I had for lunch, I wouldn't answer him.

I am referring singularly to their "footage" of Thad McCotter who is a good guy and not a whacko nirther supporter, which is the impression one is given on this huff po piece.
He gave no answer, as I suspect many of us would do if an unknown person sticks a camera in our face.

46 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:04:30am

re: #36 wrenchwench

The GOP has serious problems.

47 Last Mohican  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:04:31am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

I personally don't think the nirther delusion has anything to do with race, in most cases. We'd be seeing the same irrationally persistent questioning of a white candidate who had a father who was a citizen of another country, and who had been raised overseas, and who associated so frequently with virulently anti-American activists.

48 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:04:45am

re: #11 Thanos

Those in bed with the Paleocons are not going to disavow this clearly, there are crazies to milk and if that's where the R's are going I will be leaving after 2010 elections.

But where are you going to go?

You know the Crazy on the other side is spelled with a capital C. Zombie has made an art form out of publicizing it. (D) crazy make (R) crazy look half-sane.

Third party? Tear up your vote?

49 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:05:09am
Thanks, Sharm. You just gave me +ding #4,000!
50 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:06:10am

Speaking of 'nirthers, we got a live one in the previous thread, one "ozemc".

51 Silvergirl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:07:07am

re: #34 buzzsawmonkey

I thought of Riders on the Storm when I saw Birthers on the Hill. It's been stuck in my head, so Fool on the Hill is track change. Thanks.

52 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:07:24am

re: #50 Honorary Yooper

Speaking of 'nirthers, we got a live one in the previous thread, one "ozemc".

I wonder what meaning there might be in the nic "ozemc".

53 jaunte  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:07:42am

President Obama's politics and associations are completely open for deserved critique, but trying to simplify the complex process of arguing that he is wrong by trying to argue that he is not eligible is a lazy fool's shortcut.

54 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:07:56am

re: #52 J.D.

I wonder what meaning there might be in the nic "ozemc".

Random letter nirther?

55 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:08:51am

re: #41 Thanos

Maybe you didn't notice Charles' sarcasm on that in the thread below:

Ann Coulter brushes off the nirth certifikit kooks as just a few cranks, nothing to worry about, pay no attention, it’s the media trying to make conservatives look bad again. (Notice, however, that she turns around and throws the cranks a bone at the end.)

Go ahead. Turn your heads. Nothing to see here. Blame the Left. Blame the press. It's all their fault. Keep going and you won't have a party left by next election.

How can you possibly build yourself back up if you won't even acknowledge this stupidity? They ain't going away. They're growing.

56 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:08:52am

re: #49 wrenchwench

Why are you subjecting Sharm to speaking "down" to her?

/ ... :D

57 jaunte  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:09:00am

Lazy fools are not in short supply.

58 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:09:15am

re: #48 experiencedtraveller

But where are you going to go?

You know the Crazy on the other side is spelled with a capital C. Zombie has made an art form out of publicizing it. (D) crazy make (R) crazy look half-sane.

Third party? Tear up your vote?

I'll be registering D for the first time ever in my life and try to work from within since the R's will by then have marginalized themselves to total ineffectiveness and will have become the pup tent party of permanent irrelevance. I love my country and if that means joining the dems to have some effect and influence then I will do so.

59 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:10:04am

re: #49 wrenchwench

You're welcome! Have another. :)

60 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:10:48am

re: #42 Racer X

A very merry un-Nirthday!

Youtube Video
61 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:10:57am

re: #54 debutaunt

Random letter nirther?

I googled.
[Link: www.google.com...]

62 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:11:22am

re: #56 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Why are you subjecting Sharm to speaking "down" to her?

/ ... :D

I guess I could use sup ...

63 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:11:33am

re: #10 Last Mohican

Here's the reply to the nirthers from a blogger who subscribes to the Henry Gates school of politics: the nirther thing is actually all about race!

Apart from the frothing going on over there, I need to point out that conspiracy theories often have a racist core. You'll notice, for example, that the ancient structures von Daniken alleges were built by aliens all reside in places inhabited by people with dark skin; monuments like Stonehenge, the Roman Coliseum or the great cathedrals of Europe never make the list, despite being of similar age and complexity to those attributed to extraterrestrials by vD. Those monuments, of course, were built by White Folk, who were obviously smart enough to do it themselves, unlike their darker, more primitive counterparts elsewhere who could only have built such things with the help of an advanced race.

Same with a host of 911 conspiracies, all of which deny that such a plot could have been carried out by swarthy Middle Eastern followers of a primitive religion, and which posit the actual perpetrators to have been more intelligent White Folks who were also smart enough to cover their tracks in layers upon layers of misdirection.

And the demand for 0's birth certificate also falls into this pattern. Has anyone demanded Bubba's Original Birth Certificate? Heck no - everybody knows that a White Boy is qualified to be President. 0, though - well, that's suspicious, what with him being a half-breed and all.

Please note that there should be enormous sarcasm tags around some of my comments. But the point is that racism often lies at the root of conspiracy theories, and it isn't hard to see it at work in this case, either. It broadens the appeal of the idea among a certain class of people.

64 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:12:09am

re: #60 Killgore Trout

A very merry un-Nirthday!

[Video]

Trick candles. Sorta like a Nirther. You blow one out, and POP! right back up again.

65 Pianobuff  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:12:22am

re: #54 debutaunt

Random letter nirther?

I don't think so. Google it. Kind of interesting.

66 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:12:26am

re: #48 experiencedtraveller

But where are you going to go?

You know the Crazy on the other side is spelled with a capital C. Zombie has made an art form out of publicizing it. (D) crazy make (R) crazy look half-sane.

Third party? Tear up your vote?

Actually- most members of my family are democrats and they are not crazy. Basing your opinion of the entire party off the fringe is flawed, as we would not want people basing their entire opinion of the GOP off nirthers and paulbots.

67 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:12:36am

re: #50 Honorary Yooper

Speaking of 'nirthers, we got a live one in the previous thread, one "ozemc".

Oddly, there are no anagrams for "ozemc".

68 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:12:57am

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Today is MY un-Nirthday too! ;)

69 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:13:11am

re: #63 SixDegrees

That was quite brilliant.

70 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:13:29am

re: #29 CIA Reject

Maybe that's the solution- instead of forming a third party of normal people maybe there should be a "Wack Job Party" where both sides loonies can be dumped.

/Once again life imitates Monty Python...

Perhaps we could start a North American wing of Britain's Monster Raving Looney Party.

I miss Screaming Lord Sutch.

71 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:13:48am

re: #65 Pianobuff

I don't think so. Google it. Kind of interesting.

He's quite the busy bee.

72 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:13:57am

re: #63 SixDegrees

That's an excellent post and a very good point.

73 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:14:06am

re: #66 Sharmuta

Actually- most members of my family are democrats and they are not crazy. Basing your opinion of the entire party off the fringe is flawed, as we would not want people basing their entire opinion of the GOP off nirthers and paulbots.

Then why is TFK still here? He's utterly vile and blinded by his hatred.

74 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:14:42am

re: #68 Sharmuta

Today is MY un-Nirthday too! ;)

Tea Party!

75 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:15:05am

re: #67 Ward Cleaver

Oddly, there are no anagrams for "ozemc".

Now that's a cool site, Ward!! But when ya type in "nirther" the first one that comes up is "Err thin".

;-)

76 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:15:07am

re: #73 American Sabra

Then why is TFK still here? He's utterly vile and blinded by his hatred.

Say what?

77 Pianobuff  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:15:08am

re: #70 SixDegrees

Perhaps we could start a North American wing of Britain's Monster Raving Looney Party.

I miss Screaming Lord Sutch.

That's a blast from the past. Didn't Jimmy Page do studio work on his albums?

78 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:15:45am

re: #70 SixDegrees

Perhaps we could start a North American wing of Britain's Monster Raving Looney Party.

I miss Screaming Lord Sutch.

Excellent idea!

79 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:15:46am

re: #61 J.D.

I googled.
[Link: www.google.com...]

If it's the same one as on the Mormon blog (and the tone sounds right), it's deeply into manufacturing BS.

GAZE

80 Lee Coller  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:15:57am

It would be interesting for someone to sit down and call the Washington DC office of every Republican senator and congressman and asked them what they are going to do about the controversy surrounding Obama's birth.

How many will point out the obvious, how many will pander to the nuts, and how many are nuts themselves?

81 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:16:01am

re: #69 American Sabra

That was quite brilliant.

Thank you. I can't take credit for it, though; the idea that racism underlies the popularity of such theories has been kicking around for 20 years or more. I don't know who formulated it, but there are a lot of examples that lend it credence.

82 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:16:09am

re: #73 American Sabra

Then why is TFK still here? He's utterly vile and blinded by his hatred.

that's ridiculous

83 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:16:13am

re: #63 SixDegrees

Apart from the frothing going on over there, I need to point out that conspiracy theories often have a racist core. You'll notice, for example, that the ancient structures von Daniken alleges were built by aliens all reside in places inhabited by people with dark skin; monuments like Stonehenge, the Roman Coliseum or the great cathedrals of Europe never make the list, despite being of similar age and complexity to those attributed to extraterrestrials by vD. Those monuments, of course, were built by White Folk, who were obviously smart enough to do it themselves, unlike their darker, more primitive counterparts elsewhere who could only have built such things with the help of an advanced race.

Same with a host of 911 conspiracies, all of which deny that such a plot could have been carried out by swarthy Middle Eastern followers of a primitive religion, and which posit the actual perpetrators to have been more intelligent White Folks who were also smart enough to cover their tracks in layers upon layers of misdirection.

And the demand for 0's birth certificate also falls into this pattern. Has anyone demanded Bubba's Original Birth Certificate? Heck no - everybody knows that a White Boy is qualified to be President. 0, though - well, that's suspicious, what with him being a half-breed and all.

Please note that there should be enormous sarcasm tags around some of my comments. But the point is that racism often lies at the root of conspiracy theories, and it isn't hard to see it at work in this case, either. It broadens the appeal of the idea among a certain class of people.

Wow, I had never thought about that. I used to hear von Daniken on the radio, back in the early '70s, pimping his books. Of course I was in junior high then.

84 Racer X  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:16:30am

re: #68 Sharmuta

Happy Nirthday!

85 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:16:49am

re: #63 SixDegrees

Upding for the lucid Von Daniken reference

86 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:17:43am

re: #52 J.D.

I wonder what meaning there might be in the nic "ozemc".

Maybe this?

87 Last Mohican  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:17:51am

re: #63 SixDegrees

Good points, and I'm sure that some nirthers are driven by some inner intuition that a black man simply can't be "real American" enough to be the president.

But I don't think there's any worthwhile information to be gained by comparatively looking at the absence of interest in Bill Clinton's birth certificate, or Hillary's. Race and nationality are confounded in Obama's case. He's the first major black candidate, but he's also the first recent major candidate who had a foreign father and was raised overseas.

88 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:17:57am

re: #85 Thanos

Upding for the lucid Von Daniken reference

Heh, that's quite a feat.

89 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:18:06am

re: #84 Racer X

Un-Nirthday.

90 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:18:58am

slightly loony party, etc.

91 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:19:16am

re: #62 wrenchwench

I guess I could use sup ...


Super!
Now you're floating

/plagiarism is my strong suit ... :D

92 JustMyView  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:19:23am

Politico has an article about how Repub congressmen are dealing w/ the birther issue. They expect to be asked about it during the coming recess, and they're trying to find tactful ways to tell the birthers they're nuts.

93 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:19:24am

re: #86 midwestgak

Maybe this?

Send a private message to ozemc

Hold me back!

94 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:19:44am

re: #86 midwestgak

Maybe this?

Wow, that's a crazy place!

95 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:19:46am

re: #77 Pianobuff

That's a blast from the past. Didn't Jimmy Page do studio work on his albums?

Unknown. Here's a short biography. There are times - like these - that I think America needs this sort of politician, just to keep people aware of how ridiculous things have gotten.

96 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:20:44am

ozmec is over.

97 Spider Mensch  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:20:55am

re: #87 Last Mohican

Good points, and I'm sure that some nirthers are driven by some inner intuition that a black man simply can't be "real American" enough to be the president.

But I don't think there's any worthwhile information to be gained by comparatively looking at the absence of interest in Bill Clinton's birth certificate, or Hillary's. Race and nationality are confounded in Obama's case. He's the first major black candidate, but he's also the first recent major candidate who had a foreign father and was raised overseas.


you'll never see Hilliary's birth certificate..then everyone, including Bill, will know the truth..she was born in 1939..haha!

98 Pianobuff  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:20:59am

re: #95 SixDegrees

Unknown. Here's a short biography. There are times - like these - that I think America needs this sort of politician, just to keep people aware of how ridiculous things have gotten.

From later in the article:

"Sutch's album Lord Sutch and Heavy Friends was named in a 1998 BBC poll as the worst album of all time, a status it also held in Colin Larkin's book The Top 1000 Albums of All Time, despite the fact that Jimmy Page, John Bonham, Jeff Beck, Noel Redding and Nicky Hopkins performed on it and helped write it."

99 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:21:05am

re: #63 SixDegrees

"Chariots of the Gullible"

100 jvic  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:22:07am

HuffPo is flagrantly violating the Endangered Species Act.

101 Last Mohican  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:22:16am

re: #92 JustMyView

Thank you for posting that. An interesting article. I couldn't help but notice this:

“Twenty-five percent of my people believe the Pentagon and Rumsfeld were responsible for taking the twin towers down,” said Rep. Collin Peterson, a Democrat who represents a conservative Republican district in Minnesota. “That’s why I don’t do town meetings.”

I suspect that not doing town meetings might be a good beginning of a strategy.

102 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:22:33am

Today, from the Office of Double Standards (ODS), Rule #1:

1. Requesting information about a Democratic officeholder is natural curiosity on the part of an engaged citizenry.

Sample dialog: "The guy could put a stop to all this, today, by just showing us the stuff. What does he have to hide? Where there's smoke, etc..."

2. Requesting information about a GOP officeholder is "a fishing expedition," "a witch hunt," or both.

Sample dialog: "Admit it, all you're wanting to do is dig up dirt to make the guy look bad. It's just a distraction from all the problems we have. Jeez, Louise, dude, man up and get over it. The guy won, and you need to suck it up and get a life."

3. Repeat as necessary.

103 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:24:03am

re: #97 Spider Mensch

you'll never see Hilliary's birth certificate..then everyone, including Bill, will know the truth..she was born in 1939..haha!

In a swamp, in Trenton, New Jersey?

/men from mars!

104 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:24:07am

re: #96 J.D.

ozmec is over.

As in the 24 hour kind or whacked permanently?

105 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:24:09am
106 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:24:41am

re: #87 Last Mohican

Good points, and I'm sure that some nirthers are driven by some inner intuition that a black man simply can't be "real American" enough to be the president.

But I don't think there's any worthwhile information to be gained by comparatively looking at the absence of interest in Bill Clinton's birth certificate, or Hillary's. Race and nationality are confounded in Obama's case. He's the first major black candidate, but he's also the first recent major candidate who had a foreign father and was raised overseas.

A similar issue was brought up regarding McCain, but was almost instantly dropped.

It isn't so much that racism is an intentional feature built in to these theories by bigots. But it's an important factor in which theories gain traction. There's an inherent streak of xenophobia in the human race, and a theory claiming that those outside your own ethnic group are inferior in some way has an unfortunate appeal to a broad range of people.

I didn't care much for the article you reference, but I thought this point was worth mentioning because the the idea of racism in this regard isn't completely without merit.

107 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:24:46am

re: #63 SixDegrees

With all due respect to your very well reasoned and written post, Bubba is not running around with a name like Barack Hussein Obama.

108 badger1970  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:24:55am

Since the left has a greater voice and media influence than the right the hypocrisy of the right will always overshadow the radicals on the left. If the GOP purge the loony birds and grassy knoll associates, what will be left of the party?

Being a fiscal conservative and strong believer in the benefits of supply-side economics, I would loath the democrats getting another 2,4, 8 years with the executive and legislative branches under their domain. What is more scary, radical right nirthers or over a trillion dollars pushed into the economy with no short term benefit and long term crippling?

I will never, every vote for someone with (D) in front of (insert pronoun possessive for gender) name, never.

109 Racer X  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:25:16am

"Republicans are stupid. I'm going to change my political party affiliation to Democrat".

Translation:
I'm gonna abandon my principles and embrace things that yesterday were abhorrent to me.

Really?

Are Democrats that appealing? Think about why you were mocking them only a few months ago. Have they changed that much? Why embrace their policies? If the Republican party is heading off in the wrong direction - which it is - then we need a new party.

Now is not the time to throw support at those who wish to tax the hell out of us all, abandon personal responsibility, and spend like the well will never go empty.

110 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:25:27am

re: #104 midwestgak

As in the 24 hour kind or whacked permanently?

I don't know, but I would imagine it's permanent.

That was quick, huh?

111 vxbush  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:25:33am

re: #87 Last Mohican

Good points, and I'm sure that some nirthers are driven by some inner intuition that a black man simply can't be "real American" enough to be the president.

But I don't think there's any worthwhile information to be gained by comparatively looking at the absence of interest in Bill Clinton's birth certificate, or Hillary's. Race and nationality are confounded in Obama's case. He's the first major black candidate, but he's also the first recent major candidate who had a foreign father and was raised overseas.

True, and while I don't think you're really disagree with SixDegrees, I think he's seriously on to something here (with appropriate kudos to the authors he's read). It does explain a viewpoint that I have never understood about these 9/11 Truthers. While at first blush I found the birth certificate interesting, too many people have come out and confirmed that the certificate is real and valid. If you're going to say all those people are in on the "conspiracy", then you're running dangerously close to believe 9/11 as well.

Here's a question for SixDegrees, as he has studied this: Are there any similar types of Alien claims for interesting architecture in India, Nepal, China, etc? I'm thinking of third- and fourth-world locations (not an accurate description, I know, but bear with me) that may not have had much coverage. Those would seem to be ripe for alien interpretation, it would seem.

112 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:25:36am

re: #104 midwestgak

As in the 24 hour kind or whacked permanently?

Charles said "block".

113 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:25:41am

re: #82 albusteve

that's ridiculous

You know that crazy uncle who's at every family gathering, whom everyone ignores as he sits in the corner drooling and muttering obscenities?

At any rate, he only has one song to sing. Democrats are Commies over and over and over and over ad nasueum, in every post, even if the post is a picture of a sky or an ocean. I guess you've heard it so much or maybe agree with it (I know that you do...) that it doesn't bother you. Well it bothers me.

Iron Fist pretty much singlehandedly made this site be known as a Muslim hate site. LGFWatch, the first stalker site, was reporting it as far back as 2006. He should have been banned a very, very long time ago. And my guess is that there are others just barely flying under the radar.

Charles ain't putting up with batshit crazy anymore.

114 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:25:50am

re: #104 midwestgak

As in the 24 hour kind or whacked permanently?

He's on a permanent vacation.

/hey, now, hey now...

115 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:25:56am

re: #92 JustMyView

Politico has an article about how Repub congressmen are dealing w/ the birther issue. They expect to be asked about it during the coming recess, and they're trying to find tactful ways to tell the birthers they're nuts.

This is one of those times when tact really isn't necessary or desirable.

116 Spider Mensch  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:26:31am

re: #103 Ward Cleaver

In a swamp, in Trenton, New Jersey?

/men from mars!

actually it was the year someone dropped a house on her sister...

/or was it 38? eh who cares...

117 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:27:53am

re: #107 itellu3times

With all due respect to your very well reasoned and written post, Bubba is not running around with a name like Barack Hussein Obama.

In America, more so than anywhere else on the planet, a person's name says nothing about their character or citizenry.

118 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:28:29am

re: #116 Spider Mensch

actually it was the year someone dropped a house on her sister...

/or was it 38? eh who cares...

I get it.

/and your dog, too!

119 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:28:37am

Cambridge police release tapes in Gates arrest case (links to audio)

120 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:28:59am

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Tea Party!

Clean cup, CLEAN CUP, move down, Move DOWN!

121 hans  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:29:25am

I find it rather disingenuous of those who act as if there is no substance to the 'birthers' profound suspicion that our 'dear leader' is hiding something.
The issue of attending college in the US as a foreign student under scholarship only available to non US citizens is at least embarrassing if not fraud.

122 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:29:51am

re: #96 J.D.

ozmec is over.

Hi J.D. It's a good thing. His blathering was going to end up as sample posts copied to lunatic sites on both sides of the issue, and Charles sure doesn't have to put up with that.

123 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:30:01am

re: #113 American Sabra

You know that crazy uncle who's at every family gathering, whom everyone ignores as he sits in the corner drooling and muttering obscenities?

At any rate, he only has one song to sing. Democrats are Commies over and over and over and over ad nasueum, in every post, even if the post is a picture of a sky or an ocean. I guess you've heard it so much or maybe agree with it (I know that you do...) that it doesn't bother you. Well it bothers me.

Iron Fist pretty much singlehandedly made this site be known as a Muslim hate site. LGFWatch, the first stalker site, was reporting it as far back as 2006. He should have been banned a very, very long time ago. And my guess is that there are others just barely flying under the radar.

Charles ain't putting up with batshit crazy anymore.

all that is none of my affair...I do not think tfk is utterly vile and blinded by his hatred

124 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:30:09am

re: #92 JustMyView

Politico has an article about how Repub congressmen are dealing w/ the birther issue. They expect to be asked about it during the coming recess, and they're trying to find tactful ways to tell the birthers they're nuts.

The Tactful part is hurting us.

125 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:30:30am

re: #110 J.D.

I don't know, but I would imagine it's permanent.

That was quick, huh?

Ya, and rightly so. Ozemc disrespected Charles. Major mistake. Why does anyone do that?

126 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:30:55am

re: #110 J.D.

I don't know, but I would imagine it's permanent.

That was quick, huh?

Permanent.

127 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:31:03am

re: #107 itellu3times

WTF! That's really not cool.

128 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:31:27am

re: #113 American Sabra

Some of us have "known" tfk longer than you have. He has his problems, and he has caused a problem or two, but when Charles asked him to dial it back, he did. I don't think it's your place to call him your crazy uncle. And I think you overstate your point with IronFist.

129 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:31:34am

re: #103 Ward Cleaver

In a swamp, in Trenton, New Jersey?

/men from mars!

Or is she a Red Lectroid?

130 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:32:43am

re: #119 Killgore Trout

Cambridge police release tapes in Gates arrest case (links to audio)

hooo HAH!
Wooopie!

/now going over to listen to them

131 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:33:02am

re: #111 vxbush

True, and while I don't think you're really disagree with SixDegrees, I think he's seriously on to something here (with appropriate kudos to the authors he's read). It does explain a viewpoint that I have never understood about these 9/11 Truthers. While at first blush I found the birth certificate interesting, too many people have come out and confirmed that the certificate is real and valid. If you're going to say all those people are in on the "conspiracy", then you're running dangerously close to believe 9/11 as well.

Here's a question for SixDegrees, as he has studied this: Are there any similar types of Alien claims for interesting architecture in India, Nepal, China, etc? I'm thinking of third- and fourth-world locations (not an accurate description, I know, but bear with me) that may not have had much coverage. Those would seem to be ripe for alien interpretation, it would seem.

I'm not sure of the extent of such things; I can't read von Daniken without getting a major headache and high blood pressure. I vaguely recall some Asian engravings making it into at least one of his books, but I couldn't say for sure.

More recently, there's the whole "The US tricked the Japanese into starting WWII" theory, whose underlying theme is that the Japanese just weren't smart enough to have pulled off such an attack as Pearl Harbor on their own.

132 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:33:37am

re: #121 hans

I find it rather disingenuous of those who act as if there is no substance to the 'birthers' profound suspicion that our 'dear leader' is hiding something.
The issue of attending college in the US as a foreign student under scholarship only available to non US citizens is at least embarrassing if not fraud.

WTH are you talking about?

133 JustMyView  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:34:05am

re: #121 hans

I find it rather disingenuous of those who act as if there is no substance to the 'birthers' profound suspicion that our 'dear leader' is hiding something.
The issue of attending college in the US as a foreign student under scholarship only available to non US citizens is at least embarrassing if not fraud.

And what scholarship would that be?

134 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:34:19am

re: #124 Thanos

The Tactful part is hurting us.

The only tactfulness we need with the birthers is the following:
"Hey you, you're fucking nuts, and just fucking knock it fucking off, fucking assholes."

135 badger1970  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:34:31am

re: #121 hans

If that was true, what would be the point of bringing it up? He's the sitting president. Nothing is going to change that unless a miracle happens at the ballot box in 2012. The msm didn't do their jobs in "vetting" this guy during the primaries. He out-Clintoned the Clintons. If she couldn't bring him down, no one will.

136 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:34:46am

re: #121 hans

I find it rather disingenuous of those who act as if there is no substance to the 'birthers' profound suspicion that our 'dear leader' is hiding something.
The issue of attending college in the US as a foreign student under scholarship only available to non US citizens is at least embarrassing if not fraud.

Huh?

137 Last Mohican  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:34:49am

re: #121 hans

hans
(Logged in)
Registered since: Nov 28, 2007 at 11:50 am
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of links posted: 0

138 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:35:07am

re: #125 midwestgak

Ya, and rightly so. Ozemc disrespected Charles. Major mistake. Why does anyone do that?

Because they think that they have the right to say and do whatever they want on a privately owned forum.

139 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:35:42am

Who is ozmec?

140 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:35:45am

re: #134 Honorary Yooper

The only tactfulness we need with the birthers is the following:
"Hey you, you're fucking nuts, and just fucking knock it fucking off, fucking assholes."

"Guards, escort this man from the building give him the bum's rush!"

141 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:36:05am

re: #129 Kosh's Shadow

Or is she a Red Lectroid?

no--just an independent contractor for Yoyodyne. Just ask John Bigboote (that's Big-bu-tay!)

142 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:36:10am

re: #121 hans

Focusing on trivialities is going to kill this party. Birth certificates and transcripts are not going to save us or make us electable. Focusing on real issues and coming up with proposals would go much further in restoring confidence in the GOP.

143 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:36:35am

re: #139 MandyManners

Who is ozmec?

See the thread downstairs. Short answer: a nirther.

144 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:36:44am

re: #139 MandyManners

Nirther troll down a thread.

145 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:36:56am

re: #139 MandyManners

Who is ozmec?

A troll who got whacked in the previous thread.

146 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:36:58am

re: #121 hans

Proof of this assertion, please? Otherwise, go away.

147 jaunte  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:37:00am

re: #142 Sharmuta

Yes, but that's so hard! Can't we have a magic document?

148 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:37:02am

re: #130 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I didn't hear anything interesting one way or the other.

149 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:37:09am

re: #141 calcajun

no--just an independent contractor for Yoyodyne. Just ask John Bigboote (that's Big-bu-tay!)

Or John Whorfin.

150 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:37:15am

re: #138 Honorary Yooper

Because they think that they have the right to say and do whatever they want on a privately owned forum.

They also apparently think we haven't already heard their spiel ad nauseam and that we will hear something new and be convinced!

151 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:37:24am

re: #139 MandyManners

Who is ozmec?

Dust in the wind Mandy...
Hope today finds you well

152 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:37:26am

re: #129 Kosh's Shadow

Or is she a Red Lectroid?

Upding for the Buckaroo Banzai reference.

153 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:37:27am

re: #137 Last Mohican

Looks like "hans" might be someone's sock puppet.

154 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:37:36am

re: #147 jaunte

Yes, but that's so hard! Can't we have a magic document?

The irony is we're supposed to be the party of personal responsibility and hard work.

155 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:37:42am

Looks like we've got another one.

156 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:37:51am

re: #145 midwestgak

A troll who got whacked in the previous thread.

hans may be next.

157 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:37:52am

re: #149 Ward Cleaver

Or John Whorfin.

or John Smallberries

158 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:37:53am

re: #139 MandyManners

Who is ozmec?

A now-banned birther from the last thread.

159 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:38:01am

re: #149 Ward Cleaver

Or John Whorfin.

or John Smallberries!

160 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:38:11am

re: #130 pre-Boomer Marine brat

hooo HAH!
Wooopie!

/now going over to listen to them

And this is not all good. Crowley says on the police report the 911 caller mentioned race, on the 911 call, she doesn't and CNN is already spinning this as something is wrong, that Crowley has a credibility problem.

Of course, it could be taken both ways, Crowley is simply filling in the details AFTER the fact on the police report, which is common practice.

161 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:38:11am

re: #123 albusteve

all that is none of my affair...I do not think tfk is utterly vile and blinded by his hatred

Last night a few of us had a conversation about the demonization of "the other side". The thing is that we all do it, right and left. Silly as it is because there are certainly REAL reasons/issues we can point to and say this is a little kooky. The nirthers are one and the code pinkers are another.

The difference, however, is that Code Pink does NOT make up the majority of Democrats. You can call liberals commies all day long, but that doesn't make it so. That, btw, is demonizing the other side. And you're not happy when the Left does it to you.

I switched to Independent quite awhile ago thinking I might want to become Republican, but I'll be going back to the Dems. I'm not comfy as an Independent. And I'd die before joining this backward party.

The only reason I originally started reading LGF is because I'm a Zionist.

162 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:38:13am

re: #129 Kosh's Shadow

Or is she a Red Lectroid?

Is her first name John?

163 Land Shark  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:38:18am

re: #134 Honorary Yooper

The only tactfulness we need with the birthers is the following:
"Hey you, you're fucking nuts, and just fucking knock it fucking off, fucking assholes."

LMAO! Very appropriate. I guess I'm just a little more tactful.

"Hey, you got any evidence that isn't a crazy conspiracy theory? What, no real evidence other than crazy conspiracy theories? Please fuck off then. With all due respect, yadda yadda, blah, blah, and so on and so forth. But please, fuck off." ;-)

164 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:38:29am

re: #142 Sharmuta

Focusing on trivialities is going to kill this party. Birth certificates and transcripts are not going to save us or make us electable. Focusing on real issues and coming up with proposals would go much further in restoring confidence in the GOP.

well if the fiscal responsibility issues are not enough to launch the GOP into the WH in 2012, the I'd declare the party officially dead...I'm just looking for a modest recovery at this point and don't see it

165 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:38:37am

re: #63 SixDegrees


And the demand for 0's birth certificate also falls into this pattern. Has anyone demanded Bubba's Original Birth Certificate? Heck no - everybody knows that a White Boy is qualified to be President. 0, though - well, that's suspicious, what with him being a half-breed and all.

Please note that there should be enormous sarcasm tags around some of my comments. But the point is that racism often lies at the root of conspiracy theories, and it isn't hard to see it at work in this case, either. It broadens the appeal of the idea among a certain class of people.

Excellent post and I agree with everything in it. I would only add this: it is very difficult to see the ongoing demand for Obama's university transcripts, the demands for more detail about what he wrote and who he took classes with, as anything other than the expression of a similar kind of racism-- and resentment.

A White Boy just doesn't arouse the same kind of resentment when he attends an Ivy---even if he's a C student, even if he's a legacy. The left mocked Bush as stupid, made fun of his grades and his legacy status, but there was never a full on witchhunt to track down all his professors and everything he'd written.

166 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:38:42am

re: #157 CIA Reject

or John Smallberries

Or John Yaya.

167 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:39:05am

re: #150 ArchangelMichael

They also apparently think we haven't already heard their spiel ad nauseam and that we will hear something new and be convinced!

And when Charles and the rest of us tell the commentor differently, they get pissy.

168 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:39:11am

re: #166 Ward Cleaver

Or John Yaya.

Laffa now monkey-boy!

169 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:39:29am

Thanks, Lizards!

170 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:39:30am

re: #168 CIA Reject

Laffa now monkey-boy!

"Nice jacket, man!"

171 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:39:42am

re: #132 Ward Cleaver

WTH are you talking about?

Allow me to translate:

"Nirth nirthy nirth-nirth! Nirthy nirth. Seeekrit Nirth iz nirthiest nirth of nirth!"
172 JustMyView  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:39:46am

re: #119 Killgore Trout

Cambridge police release tapes in Gates arrest case (links to audio)

I listened. I suspect many LGFers are going to be quite disappointed.

173 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:39:49am

re: #128 wrenchwench

Some of us have "known" tfk longer than you have. He has his problems, and he has caused a problem or two, but when Charles asked him to dial it back, he did. I don't think it's your place to call him your crazy uncle.

TFK doesn't personally bother me that much as I don't think too many people take his comments seriously. But it does get a little tiresome after a while, being referred to as a commie Al Gore fan etc. I daresay I'm not the only one who feels that way.

174 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:40:02am

re: #164 albusteve

well if the fiscal responsibility issues are not enough to launch the GOP into the WH in 2012, the I'd declare the party officially dead...I'm just looking for a modest recovery at this point and don't see it

Why would we want to focus on fiscal responsibility when we have beer and grades to discuss?

175 badger1970  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:40:04am

re: #136 MandyManners

I think he's referring to the notion of his enrollment at that elite primary school in Hawaii. Supposedly non-citizens were eligible to certain financial aid that US citizens weren't, or am I getting my conspiracy theories mixed up?

Why did I respond to him in the first place? Egad, the heat, the heat.

176 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:40:11am

re: #153 Honorary Yooper

Looks like "hans" might be someone's sock puppet.

Was he upset when he died at the end of Die Hard?

177 Last Mohican  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:40:23am

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

And this is not all good. Crowley says on the police report the 911 caller mentioned race, on the 911 call

No he didn't. In fact, weren't you the one who corrected me on this point?

Crowley says in the police report that the caller mentioned race to him when they spoke in person, on the street. So these newly published tapes won't speak to that.

Of course, Lucia Whalen now claims that she never talked to him on the street. If she's proven to be true, then Crowley will indeed have a credibility problem.

178 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:40:34am

Well, I know for a fact that I will not vote for a nirther. If the GOP thinks playing to the whack job "base" is the key to returning to dominance, then they deserve to remain a minority. If I wanted whack jobs in power, I'd vote for the Greens or Libertarians.

179 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:40:44am

re: #170 Ward Cleaver

"Nice jacket, man!"

We gotta take your TV set away Doc- you used 72 thousand kilowatt hours last month...

180 Jetpilot1101  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:40:53am

As Charles as so astutely pointed out, I have also noticed that the birth certificate conspiracy seems to be gaining momentum not only with fringe groups but with mainstream conservative groups as well.

It saddens me to no end that the GOP is destroying itself from the inside out via creationism, birth certificate conspiracy theories, and intolerance. If this stuff continues, we'll be living under the liberal boot for a long time to come.

181 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:40:55am

re: #165 iceweasel

Excellent post and I agree with everything in it. I would only add this: it is very difficult to see the ongoing demand for Obama's university transcripts, the demands for more detail about what he wrote and who he took classes with, as anything other than the expression of a similar kind of racism-- and resentment.

A White Boy just doesn't arouse the same kind of resentment when he attends an Ivy---even if he's a C student, even if he's a legacy. The left mocked Bush as stupid, made fun of his grades and his legacy status, but there was never a full on witchhunt to track down all his professors and everything he'd written.

Well of course not, the records were pretty much available AND he was a mid-grade student, nothing more to prove, he wasn't that well ranked to start with, he was a "C" student. What would you be looking for, a "C- ?"

182 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:41:21am

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

And this is not all good. Crowley says on the police report the 911 caller mentioned race, on the 911 call, she doesn't and CNN is already spinning this as something is wrong, that Crowley has a credibility problem.

Of course, it could be taken both ways, Crowley is simply filling in the details AFTER the fact on the police report, which is common practice.

I haven't read the police report. Did Crowley write that she mentioned "black" in terms of race? She did, in fact, mention race, but not "black".

183 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:41:38am

re: #178 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Well, I know for a fact that I will not vote for a nirther. If the GOP thinks playing to the whack job "base" is the key to returning to dominance, then they deserve to remain a minority. If I wanted whack jobs in power, I'd vote for the Greens or Libertarians.

Hey stranger! Long time, no see!

184 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:41:40am

re: #163 Land Shark

LMAO! Very appropriate. I guess I'm just a little more tactful.

"Hey, you got any evidence that isn't a crazy conspiracy theory? What, no real evidence other than crazy conspiracy theories? Please fuck off then. With all due respect, yadda yadda, blah, blah, and so on and so forth. But please, fuck off." ;-)


[Link: failblog.files.wordpress.com...]

185 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:41:42am

re: #157 CIA Reject

GMTA!

Here, it handles like a truck.

Great. What is a truck?

186 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:41:49am

re: #127 Sharmuta

WTF! That's really not cool.

Not cool? Was I trying to be cool? Is it important to be cool?

I'm sorry, but I am still not over the spectacle of someone named Barack Hussein Obama running for president of the United States, and winning, in the aftermath of 9/11. I guess that is just tres cool, and I'm not.

If someone wants to be anonymous, they can choose a common name. If someone chooses a name, I want to respect their choice and make what I can out of it, whether it's Sunshine Sparkle or Jihad Jones. If that's not cool, I'll just have to live with it.

187 Shug  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:42:07am

re: #121 hans

blah blah bhah.

somebody get Franz, I liked him better

188 Last Mohican  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:42:34am

re: #165 iceweasel

Excellent post and I agree with everything in it. I would only add this: it is very difficult to see the ongoing demand for Obama's university transcripts, the demands for more detail about what he wrote and who he took classes with, as anything other than the expression of a similar kind of racism-- and resentment.

A White Boy just doesn't arouse the same kind of resentment when he attends an Ivy---even if he's a C student, even if he's a legacy. The left mocked Bush as stupid, made fun of his grades and his legacy status, but there was never a full on witchhunt to track down all his professors and everything he'd written.

At the risk of reviving a disagreement from an old thread, I'm going to revive it. What you write is bullshit. It has become standard practice for presidential candidates to release their university transcripts, tax returns, and often medical records. Wanting to see Obama's transcripts is not racist. It's just not.

189 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:42:38am

re: #177 Last Mohican

No he didn't. In fact, weren't you the one who corrected me on this point?

Crowley says in the police report that the caller mentioned race to him when they spoke in person, on the street. So these newly published tapes won't speak to that.

Of course, Lucia Whalen now claims that she never talked to him on the street. If she's proven to be true, then Crowley will indeed have a credibility problem.

That's what I was getting at, sorry, I wasn't clear. The bottom line is we have Crowley mentioning that Whalen mentioned race (at some point) and she says she didn't even talk to him so, how did it get on the report.

190 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:43:06am

re: #173 Jimmah

That's what the scroll wheel is for.

191 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:43:13am

re: #177 Last Mohican

No he didn't. In fact, weren't you the one who corrected me on this point?

Crowley says in the police report that the caller mentioned race to him when they spoke in person, on the street. So these newly published tapes won't speak to that.

Of course, Lucia Whalen now claims that she never talked to him on the street. If she's proven to be true, then Crowley will indeed have a credibility problem.

Apparently she is not speaking to anyone now. She has a lawyer that is saying stuff for her now.
I think someone already has credibility issues and they are trying to avoid the oncoming lawsuit.

192 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:43:13am

re: #148 Killgore Trout

I didn't hear anything interesting one way or the other.

Just got thru.
I agree.
Thanks for posting the link to them!

193 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:43:15am

re: #175 badger1970

I think he's referring to the notion of his enrollment at that elite primary school in Hawaii. Supposedly non-citizens were eligible to certain financial aid that US citizens weren't, or am I getting my conspiracy theories mixed up?

Why did I respond to him in the first place? Egad, the heat, the heat.

Private schools can give scholarships to whomever they want.

194 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:43:19am

re: #183 Ward Cleaver

Hey stranger! Long time, no see!

Hey Ward. Yeah, I been hiding out for awhile. Got ambushed by RL a few years back and just now decided to come out of my undisclosed location.

195 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:43:20am

re: #184 MandyManners

[Link: failblog.files.wordpress.com...]

Now that's a classic. LOL!

196 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:43:22am

re: #161 American Sabra

Last night a few of us had a conversation about the demonization of "the other side". The thing is that we all do it, right and left. Silly as it is because there are certainly REAL reasons/issues we can point to and say this is a little kooky. The nirthers are one and the code pinkers are another.

The difference, however, is that Code Pink does NOT make up the majority of Democrats. You can call liberals commies all day long, but that doesn't make it so. That, btw, is demonizing the other side. And you're not happy when the Left does it to you.

I switched to Independent quite awhile ago thinking I might want to become Republican, but I'll be going back to the Dems. I'm not comfy as an Independent. And I'd die before joining this backward party.

The only reason I originally started reading LGF is because I'm a Zionist.

you are wasting your time with me...most of that I don't take too seriously, and non of that warrants a blind side attack on another poster...if you feel so strongly about it you should take it up with tfk...not come out and cut his throat like that

197 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:43:22am

re: #168 CIA Reject

Laffa now monkey-boy!

That's
"Laffa while you can, monkey-boy!"

Just remember, wherever you go
there you are.

198 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:43:29am

re: #182 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I haven't read the police report. Did Crowley write that she mentioned "black" in terms of race? She did, in fact, mention race, but not "black".

He said he talked to her at the scene and she mentioned black, she says she never even talked to him. And she never mentioned black on the 911 call.

199 Silvergirl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:43:39am

re: #139 MandyManners

Who is ozmec?

A munchkin from the Emerald City in Oz?
OZ Munchin Emerald City

200 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:43:40am

re: #179 CIA Reject

We gotta take your TV set away Doc- you used 72 thousand kilowatt hours last month...

When you get into the mid-brain, it all starts to look the same. Don't pull on that, you don't know what it is attached to.

201 jill e  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:43:54am

The majority of Republicans lack anything near what could be called courage. They've become like the rest of the politicians—weighing their words and beliefs on which way the wind is blowing at any particular time.

202 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:44:13am

re: #194 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hey Ward. Yeah, I been hiding out for awhile. Got ambushed by RL a few years back and just now decided to come out of my undisclosed location.

Cool, good to see you again.

203 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:44:19am

re: #185 calcajun

GMTA!

Here, it handles like a truck.

Great. What is a truck?

LOL!

SEKRIT - NOBUDY CUMZ IN HERE!!

204 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:44:20am

re: #171 Killgore Trout

heh...

205 califleftyb  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:44:28am

With sincere apologies to John and Paul:

They say it aint your Birthday
Well, its not my birthday too yeah
They say it's your nirfday
You committed an election crime
I don't believe it's your birthday
Happy birthday to you

Yes, were going to destroy the party
Yes, were going to destroy the party
Yes, were going to destroy the party

Troofers repeat the old chants
Obama must do the tapdance
Troofers live in a trance
Dance!

Troofers repeat the old chants
Obama must do the tapdance
Troofers live in a trance
Dance!

206 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:44:42am

re: #197 Kosh's Shadow

That's
"Laffa while you can, monkey-boy!"

Just remember, wherever you go
there you are.

"Don't pull on that, you don't know what it's attached to."

207 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:45:05am

re: #186 itellu3times

Not cool? Was I trying to be cool? Is it important to be cool?

I'm sorry, but I am still not over the spectacle of someone named Barack Hussein Obama running for president of the United States, and winning, in the aftermath of 9/11. I guess that is just tres cool, and I'm not.

If someone wants to be anonymous, they can choose a common name. If someone chooses a name, I want to respect their choice and make what I can out of it, whether it's Sunshine Sparkle or Jihad Jones. If that's not cool, I'll just have to live with it.

Infants are not given a choice on their names.

If he had changed it when he turned 18, I guarantee you that nirthers/conspiracy theorists would be howling even more loudly.

208 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:45:19am

re: #198 Walter L. Newton

He said he talked to her at the scene and she mentioned black, she says she never even talked to him. And she never mentioned black on the 911 call.

I did see something about the at-scene earlier today.
Thanks for the elaboration.

209 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:45:30am

re: #188 Last Mohican

At the risk of reviving a disagreement from an old thread, I'm going to revive it. What you write is bullshit. It has become standard practice for presidential candidates to release their university transcripts, tax returns, and often medical records. Wanting to see Obama's transcripts is not racist. It's just not.

Getting into a nirtheresque lather about it could be though.

210 badger1970  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:45:33am

re: #177 Last Mohican

Reminds me of a Kurosawa film. In stressful situations, people are going to remember and forget different details. Upon further review, the participants will look less than truthful after the fact.

Remember, Gates brought all this upon himself. He could have rectified the situation there and then. He didn't.

211 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:45:38am

I am truly impressed with what a stand-up guy Rep Trent Frank is!
His other statements seem to indicate that he might be likely to equivocate for fear of "offending the base," but he unhesitatingly chose the path of honesty.
He's the real deal, the people of Arizona have a real winner there.

212 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:45:40am

re: #161 American Sabra

... The only reason I originally started reading LGF is because I'm a Zionist.

Well, you are going to be VERY lonely among the progressives. A whole lot of them are more like, well, Jew haters. Just a small point I wanted to clear up for you.

213 Racer X  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:46:08am

I got no problem with Obama's name, race, sports team, or his birth certificate. All are irrelevant.

I do have a serious concern with the direction he wants this country to go. I have a serious concern with his policy of spending money we do not have on policies that have been tried before and failed. I have a serious problem with his lack of experience coming in to this job, along with his demonstrated skills since taking this position.

If he were my employee and he was on probation, I would consider letting him go based on performance so far.

214 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:46:13am

re: #206 Ward Cleaver

"Don't pull on that, you don't know what it's attached to."


Character is what you are in the dark! Where are we going!

Planet 10!

When?

Real soon!

215 Catttt  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:46:15am

American Sabra

Then why is TFK still here? He's utterly vile and blinded by his hatred.

I feel compelled to point out that posting hate about someone to point out what you see as hate is doing it wrong.

216 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:46:35am

re: #206 Ward Cleaver

"Don't pull on that, you don't know what it's attached to."

"It's not my goddamned planet. Understand, monkey boy?"

217 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:46:54am

re: #213 Racer X

But, there would be that pesky wrongful termination lawsuit.

218 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:47:08am

re: #199 Silvergirl

A munchkin from the Emerald City in Oz?
OZ Munchin Emerald City

Now I have the Lollypop Guild's song in my mind. Thank you. Thank you very much.

219 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:47:08am

re: #214 calcajun

Character is what you are in the dark! Where are we going!

Planet 10!

When?

Real soon!

Home is where you hanga you hat!

BBL...

220 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:47:16am

re: #128 wrenchwench

Some of us have "known" tfk longer than you have. He has his problems, and he has caused a problem or two, but when Charles asked him to dial it back, he did. I don't think it's your place to call him your crazy uncle. And I think you overstate your point with IronFist.

You do realize this blog is on the internet and one doesn't need a registration to read it. Just to comment on it.

221 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:47:20am

re: #213 Racer X

I got no problem with Obama's name, race, sports team, or his birth certificate. All are irrelevant.

I do have a serious concern with the direction he wants this country to go. I have a serious concern with his policy of spending money we do not have on policies that have been tried before and failed. I have a serious problem with his lack of experience coming in to this job, along with his demonstrated skills since taking this position.

If he were my employee and he was on probation, I would consider letting him go based on performance so far.

I'd feel alot better if he were a Cowboy fan

222 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:47:23am

re: #210 badger1970

Reminds me of a Kurosawa film. In stressful situations, people are going to remember and forget different details. Upon further review, the participants will look less than truthful after the fact.

Remember, Gates brought all this upon himself. He could have rectified the situation there and then. He didn't.

But, but...Gates didn't have his long-form birth certificate... :)

223 Buck  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:47:33am

re: #121 hans

I find it rather disingenuous of those who act as if there is no substance to the 'birthers' profound suspicion that our 'dear leader' is hiding something.
The issue of attending college in the US as a foreign student under scholarship only available to non US citizens is at least embarrassing if not fraud.

Circulating via email, a purported AP news story claims transcripts released by Occidental College prove that Barack Obama, under the name 'Barry Soetoro,' received a Fulbright Scholarship awarded to foreign-born students only.

Analysis: Hoax!

Did Obama attend Occidental under the name "Barry Soetoro"?

No. Soetoro was the name of Obama's stepfather, but there's no evidence he attended college under that name. Fellow alumni quoted in the press remember him as "Barry Obama." An Occidental College spokesperson told FactCheck.org there are no records showing that Obama used his stepfather's last name.

Did Obama attend Occidental under a Fulbright Scholarship for Foreign Students?

No. According to various news sources, Obama did attend Occidental on a scholarship, but it wasn't a Fulbright, let alone a Fulbright Scholarship designated for foreign students. The Fulbright Foreign Student Program is for Master's Degree and Ph.D. candidates. Obama was an undergraduate.

224 Racer X  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:48:20am

re: #201 jill e

The majority of Republicans lack anything near what could be called courage. They've become like the rest of the politicians—weighing their words and beliefs on which way the wind is blowing at any particular time.

I disagree.

225 Kragar  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:48:32am

re: #216 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"It's not my goddamned planet. Understand, monkey boy?"

Sure thing John Whorfin. Say hi to John Big-Booty.

226 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:48:43am

re: #220 American Sabra

You do realize this blog is on the internet and one doesn't need a registration to read it. Just to comment on it.

hey I have an idea!...why don't you MYOB...Charles can take care of himself...you smack of censorship

227 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:49:02am

re: #216 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"It's not my goddamned planet. Understand, monkey boy?"

"This place is a damn pig sty. Don't you have any pride?"

228 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:49:10am

re: #213 Racer X

I got no problem with Obama's name, race, sports team, or his birth certificate. All are irrelevant.

I do have a serious concern with the direction he wants this country to go. I have a serious concern with his policy of spending money we do not have on policies that have been tried before and failed. I have a serious problem with his lack of experience coming in to this job, along with his demonstrated skills since taking this position.

If he were my employee and he was on probation, I would consider letting him go based on performance so far.

I swear to God, I talked to a nirther the other day and let him know just how stupid I thought the whole thing is, as its a waste of time and resources that could be used to seek out and promote worthwhile candidates for 2010. He told me that it's important to find out, not just about his birth certificate, but whether or not he wrote his Dreams of my Father, because it would tell us what his plans and intentions are.

Days like these, I almost miss arguing with Trufers.

229 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:49:43am

re: #220 American Sabra

How are the progressives treating you Zionists?

230 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:49:53am

I imagine at some point the nirthers will move on to another target- like his Selective Service registration or something.

231 SixDegrees  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:49:57am

re: #165 iceweasel

Excellent post and I agree with everything in it. I would only add this: it is very difficult to see the ongoing demand for Obama's university transcripts, the demands for more detail about what he wrote and who he took classes with, as anything other than the expression of a similar kind of racism-- and resentment.

A White Boy just doesn't arouse the same kind of resentment when he attends an Ivy---even if he's a C student, even if he's a legacy. The left mocked Bush as stupid, made fun of his grades and his legacy status, but there was never a full on witchhunt to track down all his professors and everything he'd written.

I see the parallels, and agree that this may be playing a part in the continued life of this demand as well. However, I see a difference: 0 has already produced a birth certificate (there are scans of it littering the web) and his possession of a driver's license, SS number and so on implies it's veracity; the state of Hawaii has also stood behind his citizenship. This matter is settled, and pursuing it is pointless. The demand for a transcript, on the other hand, is familiar to anyone who has applied for a job, where failure to produce it is a guarantee of derailment. And unlike the birth certificate nonsense, which is a binary issue (it exists or it doesn't) it isn't the existence of a transcript that's in question, it's the contents, which vary greatly from student to student and which contain interesting details on that person's abilities, as discussed earlier.

All that being said, I don't think it's worth any sort of rabid attention. Just tossing the fact that 0 doesn't want anyone to see how he did in school out there ought to be sufficient to achieve it's political purpose.

And for what it's worth: I would bet heavy money that every single one of 0's nominees for Administration posts was required to produce their college transcripts.

232 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:50:10am

re: #223 Buck

Circulating via email, a purported AP news story claims transcripts released by Occidental College prove that Barack Obama, under the name 'Barry Soetoro,' received a Fulbright Scholarship awarded to foreign-born students only.

Analysis: Hoax!

Did Obama attend Occidental under the name "Barry Soetoro"?

No. Soetoro was the name of Obama's stepfather, but there's no evidence he attended college under that name. Fellow alumni quoted in the press remember him as "Barry Obama." An Occidental College spokesperson told FactCheck.org there are no records showing that Obama used his stepfather's last name.

Did Obama attend Occidental under a Fulbright Scholarship for Foreign Students?

No. According to various news sources, Obama did attend Occidental on a scholarship, but it wasn't a Fulbright, let alone a Fulbright Scholarship designated for foreign students. The Fulbright Foreign Student Program is for Master's Degree and Ph.D. candidates. Obama was an undergraduate.

Do you have the link for that so I can whip it out when I need to whip it out?

233 JustMyView  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:50:21am

re: #177 Last Mohican

Crowley says in the police report that the caller mentioned race to him when they spoke in person, on the street. So these newly published tapes won't speak to that.

It seems odd that she would have said this in person. In the 911 call, she says that she couldn't tell what race the two men were, but that one might be Hispanic. They were already in the house at that point (or, at least, Gates was), so she wouldn't have seen him again before speaking to Crowley.

234 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:50:27am

re: #220 American Sabra

You do realize this blog is on the internet and one doesn't need a registration to read it. Just to comment on it.

Yes, I do. And?

235 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:50:43am

re: #225 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Sure thing John Whorfin. Say hi to John Big-Booty.

That's BigbooTAY

236 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:51:06am

re: #230 Sharmuta

I imagine at some point the nirthers will move on to another target- like his Selective Service registration or something.

Are those records public?

237 CynicalConservative  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:51:11am

re: #220 American Sabra

You do realize this blog is on the internet and one doesn't need a registration to read it. Just to comment on it.

Condescend much? Sheesh, lighten up francis.

238 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:51:25am

re: #173 Jimmah

TFK doesn't personally bother me that much as I don't think too many people take his comments seriously. But it does get a little tiresome after a while, being referred to as a commie Al Gore fan etc. I daresay I'm not the only one who feels that way.

Thanks for the support, but he bothers me quite a bit. Mostly because nothing like what he says is tolerated about any other group of people on this blog.

239 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:51:32am

re: #230 Sharmuta

I imagine at some point the nirthers will move on to another target- like his Selective Service registration or something.

Ixnay on the electivesay ervicesay!
Don't give them any ideas!

240 Racer X  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:51:35am

re: #217 calcajun

But, there would be that pesky wrongful termination lawsuit.

I have plenty of documentation on his performance so far. Can anyone list any significant accomplishments?

Heck, G.W. Bush had a higher approval rating at this point. Is that not like a performance review?

241 Kragar  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:51:45am

re: #235 Kosh's Shadow

That's BigbooTAY

BLAM!

242 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:52:15am

re: #188 Last Mohican

At the risk of reviving a disagreement from an old thread, I'm going to revive it. What you write is bullshit. It has become standard practice for presidential candidates to release their university transcripts, tax returns, and often medical records. Wanting to see Obama's transcripts is not racist. It's just not.

Wanting to see them now is bullshit.

Let's imagine what would happen if he released them. This isn't about determining if he really got the degree or the grades. He did. That isn't in dispute.

This is about having a little witchhunt to say, "OMG this professor he took a class with one time co-authored a book years before with a COMMIE!"
Or, "OMG! He took this one class with 50 people in it and this one classmate went on to PRISON!"

It would literally never end. And it's insane. Look at the classes you took at university. How many of them were because it fit your schedule, or it was a requirement, or this really cute girl (or boy) was taking it?

He's right not to release it, because at bottom this is all about Fear of a Barack Planet.

243 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:52:21am

re: #238 American Sabra

Thanks for the support, but he bothers me quite a bit. Mostly because nothing like what he says is tolerated about any other group of people on this blog.

And what "group" of people is TFK?

244 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:52:35am

re: #234 wrenchwench

Yes, I do. And?

So??? You "know" him better than I "know" him.

245 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:52:54am

re: #236 MandyManners

Are those records public?

Not sure- I just imagine that they're determined enough in their kookiness to find something else- anything else- to justify their ODS.

246 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:53:20am

re: #230 Sharmuta

I imagine at some point the nirthers will move on to another target- like his Selective Service registration or something.

What are the odds that they'll land upon something worthwhile, like what he did during his time at Columbia?

/heh ... I think I could figure it, my calculator does exponents

247 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:53:21am

Phew, couldn't get off Ward Cleaver's anagram site. Too cool!

Hey, did you guys know that one anagram for "nirth certificate" is Feather Citric Nit? And another is Naif Hectic Triter?

(I know, I need to get a life.)

248 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:53:29am

re: #243 Walter L. Newton

And what "group" of people is TFK?

That's not what I meant and you know it. I meant you can't talk about the Jews, the Muslims, the Christians in the vile way he talks about the Democrats.

249 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:53:42am

re: #244 American Sabra

So??? You "know" him better than I "know" him.

You have ceased making sense.

250 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:54:19am

re: #230 Sharmuta

I imagine at some point the nirthers will move on to another target- like his Selective Service registration or something.

it may be a genetic compulsion...the "I know something that you don't know" gene

251 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:54:24am

re: #241 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

BLAM!

"Why is there a watermelon there? "

252 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:54:28am

Left this off my last post!

Youtube Video
253 Buck  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:54:29am

re: #232 MandyManners

Do you have the link for that so I can whip it out when I need to whip it out?

What? You don't believe me?

Just kidding...

[Link: urbanlegends.about.com...]

254 Racer X  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:54:43am

re: #242 iceweasel

He's right not to release it, because at bottom this is all about Fear of a Barack Planet.

Legitimate fear, IMHO.

255 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:54:46am

re: #244 American Sabra

So??? You "know" him better than I "know" him.


If you don't like what he says, don't read his posts.
It's called autoscroll.

256 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:54:52am

re: #58 Thanos

I'll be registering D for the first time ever in my life and try to work from within since the R's will by then have marginalized themselves to total ineffectiveness and will have become the pup tent party of permanent irrelevance. I love my country and if that means joining the dems to have some effect and influence then I will do so.

Thank you for your kind response. I would remind that November 2010 is a looong time away in this 24/7/365 media-political age and that you may just want to hold onto that (R) card a bit longer.

257 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:55:06am

re: #227 ArchangelMichael

Orson Welles? You mean the old guy in the wine ads?

258 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:55:16am

Ahh...Sarah Palin.

But I dare not say anything bad about her, because that would be "misogenystic" as one of my friends here put it.

259 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:55:18am

This Nirther Conspiracy is a godsend for the Democrats.
It gives them a way to deflect some of the heat from their own far more moronic foibles, such as their own internecine backstabbing over the stimulus and health care policies.

260 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:55:28am

re: #254 Racer X

Legitimate fear, IMHO.

252 for the reference. fear of a black planet

261 yochanan  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:55:30am

is this the John Birther thread?

262 Kragar  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:55:30am

re: #251 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Why is there a watermelon there? "

I'll tell you later

263 SecondComing  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:55:39am

OT

Why does anyone care what Ariana Huffington has to say? I saw her on George Stephanophalous' show and her solution to healthcare was to tax soft drinks.

264 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:55:43am

re: #245 Sharmuta

Not sure- I just imagine that they're determined enough in their kookiness to find something else- anything else- to justify their ODS.

[Link: www.ehow.com...]

265 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:56:04am

re: #241 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Beat you to it..HA.

266 Kragar  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:56:29am

re: #261 yochanan

is this the John Birther thread?

I thought it was the John Whorfin thread. Which one was Birther?

267 Racer X  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:56:45am

re: #260 iceweasel

252 for the reference. fear of a black planet

Racist!

268 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:56:47am

Sarah Palin is insane and embarrassing. Let the down-dings begin.

By the way, I added my 2 cents on the Watchmen here, with a few PIMFs corrected in the next two comments on that thread.

269 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:56:49am

re: #248 American Sabra

That's not what I meant and you know it. I meant you can't talk about the Jews, the Muslims, the Christians in the vile way he talks about the Democrats.

The choice of a political party is the same as a choice of a religion?

270 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:57:11am

re: #250 albusteve

it may be a genetic compulsion...the "I know something that you don't know" gene

NEENER.

271 Kragar  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:57:17am

re: #265 calcajun

Beat you to it..HA.

May I pass along my congratulations for your great interdimensional breakthrough. I am sure, in the miserable annals of the Earth, you will be duly enshrined.

272 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:57:19am

re: #248 American Sabra

That's not what I meant and you know it. I meant you can't talk about the Jews, the Muslims, the Christians in the vile way he talks about the Democrats.

Um, Democrats (like Republicans) come from all races and creeds, and are of both genders. I was unaware they had a protected status. They are not equivalent to Jews, Muslims, or Christans, but can be composed of all three.

273 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:57:33am

re: #248 American Sabra

That's not what I meant and you know it. I meant you can't talk about the Jews, the Muslims, the Christians in the vile way he talks about the Democrats.

Really? You need to search through over 5 years of my posts. I've trashed mouth Crazy Catholics, Maniac Muslims and Crass Christians over and over. And, I've taken my fair share of potshots at TFK.

And I'll say what I want about Putrid Progressive when they stick their nose in my face.

Any clarification needed for you. Buck up.

274 Racer X  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:57:57am

re: #263 SecondComing

OT

Why does anyone care what Ariana Huffington has to say? I saw her on George Stephanophalous' show and her solution to healthcare was to tax soft drinks.

Yeah, because drinking 17 Cokes a day will make you fat, and taxing them is a way to make people skinny.

275 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:58:09am

re: #101 Last Mohican

Thank you for posting that. An interesting article. I couldn't help but notice this:

“Twenty-five percent of my people believe the Pentagon and Rumsfeld were responsible for taking the twin towers down,” said Rep. Collin Peterson, a Democrat who represents a conservative Republican district in Minnesota. “That’s why I don’t do town meetings.”

I suspect that not doing town meetings might be a good beginning of a strategy.

That could certainly explain why he's a Democrat representing a conservative Republican district.

276 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:58:17am

re: #253 Buck

What? You don't believe me?

Just kidding...

[Link: urbanlegends.about.com...]

Yeah, the date gave it away for me.

277 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:58:26am

re: #257 calcajun

"Buckaroo, I don't know what to say. Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named 'John'?"

278 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:58:37am

re: #230 Sharmuta

I imagine at some point the nirthers will move on to another target- like his Selective Service registration or something.

I think next there will be stories of 0 removing a tag from a mattress and going to the express lane at the grocery store with 16 items.

279 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:59:01am

re: #266 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I thought it was the John Whorfin thread. Which one was Birther?

He was a Red Lectroids so crazy that none of the others would deal with him; he got locked up in a vault at Yoyodine.
/

280 Randall Gross  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:59:03am

re: #256 experiencedtraveller

Thank you for your kind response. I would remind that November 2010 is a looong time away in this 24/7/365 media-political age and that you may just want to hold onto that (R) card a bit longer.

I'm down for the good fight until 2010, where I go after depends on who's leading the R's at that point.

281 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:59:07am

re: #252 iceweasel

Left this off my last post!


There should be a remix : Fear-of-a-Black-President!

282 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:59:09am

re: #201 jill e

The majority of Republicans lack anything near what could be called courage. They've become like the rest of the politicians—weighing their words and beliefs on which way the wind is blowing at any particular time.

We do have Trent Frank to set against that, but you're right to a great extent. What struck me about the rest of this pack was their craven cowardice in the face of a simple question. They can't all be nirthers, it's doubtful that any of them truly are, but they lack the simple integrity to even make a brief statement about it.
What would Teddy Roosevelt do with these sleazy opportunists? He would probably expel them from the party with the sole of his Rough-Rider boots.

283 Pianobuff  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:59:14am

re: #231 SixDegrees

I see the parallels, and agree that this may be playing a part in the continued life of this demand as well. However, I see a difference: 0 has already produced a birth certificate (there are scans of it littering the web) and his possession of a driver's license, SS number and so on implies it's veracity; the state of Hawaii has also stood behind his citizenship. This matter is settled, and pursuing it is pointless. The demand for a transcript, on the other hand, is familiar to anyone who has applied for a job, where failure to produce it is a guarantee of derailment. And unlike the birth certificate nonsense, which is a binary issue (it exists or it doesn't) it isn't the existence of a transcript that's in question, it's the contents, which vary greatly from student to student and which contain interesting details on that person's abilities, as discussed earlier.

All that being said, I don't think it's worth any sort of rabid attention. Just tossing the fact that 0 doesn't want anyone to see how he did in school out there ought to be sufficient to achieve it's political purpose.

And for what it's worth: I would bet heavy money that every single one of 0's nominees for Administration posts was required to produce their college transcripts.

Well put.

284 jill e  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:59:39am

As GOP Rep. Mike Castle learned the hard way back home in Delaware this month, there’s no easy way to deal with the small but vocal crowd of right-wing activists who refuse to believe that President Barack Obama was born in the United States.

At a town hall meeting in Georgetown, a woman demanded to know why Castle and his colleagues were “ignoring” questions about Obama’s birth certificate — questions that have been put to rest repeatedly by state officials in Hawaii, where the birth certificate and all other credible evidence show that Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961.

When Castle countered that Obama is, in fact, “a citizen of the United States,” the crowd erupted in boos, the woman seized control of the gathering and led a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. The video went viral; by Sunday, it had been viewed on YouTube more than half a million times.

And birthers say members should expect more of the same in the coming weeks.

285 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:59:43am

re: #273 Walter L. Newton

Really? You need to search through over 5 years of my posts. I've trashed mouth Crazy Catholics, Maniac Muslims and Crass Christians over and over. And, I've taken my fair share of potshots at TFK.

And I'll say what I want about Putrid Progressive when they stick their nose in my face.

Any clarification needed for you. Buck up.

you crass old fart...you give seniors a bad name...intolerable!

286 CynicalConservative  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:00:03pm

re: #269 MandyManners

The choice of a political party is the same as a choice of a religion?

It is for some.

287 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:01:06pm

re: #285 albusteve

you crass old fart...you give seniors a bad name...intolerable!

I haven't heard Walter complain about kids walking on his lawn yet.

288 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:01:10pm

re: #278 Mad Al-Jaffee

I think next there will be stories of 0 removing a tag from a mattress and going to the express lane at the grocery store with 16 items.

and then tell you it's really only 15 items...the nerve

289 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:01:31pm

re: #277 ArchangelMichael

"Buckaroo, I don't know what to say. Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named 'John'?"

I need to dig out my VHS recording of that. I taped it off of cable, years ago.

290 Buck  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:01:32pm

re: #276 MandyManners

Yeah, the date gave it away for me.

I am thinking of sending the media a "Available for comment" release. I think I am now an Anti-Birther Expert.

291 Pianobuff  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:01:49pm

re: #242 iceweasel

Wanting to see them now is bullshit.

Let's imagine what would happen if he released them. This isn't about determining if he really got the degree or the grades. He did. That isn't in dispute.

This is about having a little witchhunt to say, "OMG this professor he took a class with one time co-authored a book years before with a COMMIE!"
Or, "OMG! He took this one class with 50 people in it and this one classmate went on to PRISON!"

It would literally never end. And it's insane. Look at the classes you took at university. How many of them were because it fit your schedule, or it was a requirement, or this really cute girl (or boy) was taking it?

He's right not to release it, because at bottom this is all about Fear of a Barack Planet.

Why do you keep oddly insisting or inferring that the discussion of Obama's transcripts is a new thing?

292 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:02:17pm

re: #73 American Sabra

Then why is TFK still here? He's utterly vile and blinded by his hatred.

That statement says much about you.

293 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:02:20pm

re: #249 wrenchwench

You have ceased making sense.

You're a smart woman. You don't get because you don't want to.

Charles changed the tag on this blog to say "Weblog covering issues dear to both conservatives and US liberals." By that I think he would like to see this blog as a meeting place where two groups of people can actually have meaningful conversations about things that mean a great deal to the both of us. Demonization stops that dead in its tracks. It makes the user feel better to get it off their chest, but does nothing to progress conversation. But people who demonize don't won't conversation. Because if so, they'd eventually have to admit their own faults. It's much easier to call someone a Commie. Then they have an excuse not to talk to evil.

Anyway, never mind about it. It doesn't matter. I'll leave.

294 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:02:29pm

For the Navy guys...
Fun with German Navy Boats

Liveleak Video
295 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:02:59pm

So what's this I hear about Barack Obama having been born in Bethlehem?

296 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:03:05pm

re: #278 Mad Al-Jaffee

I think next there will be stories of 0 removing a tag from a mattress and going to the express lane at the grocery store with 16 items.

Heh. I heard he leaves the seat up.

297 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:03:07pm

re: #282 Shiplord Kirel

They can't all be nirthers, it's doubtful that any of them truly are, but they lack the simple integrity to even make a brief statement about it.

I agree. We need to begin with the understanding that they're politicians.

After that, we can try to analyze whether or not they are nirthers, or might be deliberately pandering to them.

/and btw, *salute* to Trent Frank.

298 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:04:08pm

re: #255 SasquatchOnSteroids

If you don't like what he says, don't read his posts.
It's called autoscroll.

I was responding to Sharmuta at #73 originally. I usually do scroll past him.

299 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:04:16pm

re: #296 Sharmuta

Heh. I heard he leaves the seat up.

He probably put mannequins in his car to go in the carpool lanes too...

300 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:04:20pm

Cops are back. bbl

301 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:04:51pm

re: #242 iceweasel

This is about having a little witchhunt to say, "OMG this professor he took a class with one time co-authored a book years before with a COMMIE!"

Or, "OMG! He took this one class with 50 people in it and this one classmate went on to PRISON!"

All due respect, co-authoring a book with someone is a whole lot different than attending a class with 50 people.

If you think co-authoring a book with someone is just like attending a class with 50 people, I'd like to hear your reasons.

302 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:04:53pm

re: #300 MandyManners

Cops are back. bbl

COPS?!?

/bad boy, bad boys...

303 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:05:04pm

re: #268 medaura18586

Sarah Palin is insane and embarrassing. Let the down-dings begin.

Talk about hate. Wow!

304 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:05:06pm

re: #244 American Sabra

So??? You "know" him better than I "know" him.

Tag. You're it. No, you're it. No, you're it. Ah, elementary school games.

305 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:05:08pm

re: #281 Jimmah

There should be a remix : Fear-of-a-Black-President!

God, i would love that. Or fear of a barack planet. That could work too.

This is awesome btw, incredibly well mixed-- don't know if people here have seen it, but most wouldn't like it.

McCain's expressions are the best. Just really well done.

Youtube Video
306 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:05:13pm

re: #293 American Sabra

[...] Anyway, never mind about it. It doesn't matter. I'll leave.

Oh, please don't do that. You need a thick skin around here, and you're part of the talk. Don't go off in a huff.

307 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:05:29pm

Mehdi Hasan Exposed. Part I – Atheists and disbelievers are “cattle” and “of no intelligence”

This is the first part of a three-part article on Mehdi Hasan, senior editor (politics) of the New Statesman, by Harry’s Place guest writer Channel 4 Insider.

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

308 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:05:32pm

re: #293 American Sabra

I figured out a couple of posts ago that you are offended as a Democrat. You with the prickly spines on your avatar need to grow some scales on the skin beneath them.

309 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:05:52pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

For the Navy guys...
Fun with German Navy Boats

LOL!! Oops, looks like Ludwig's got some 'splainin to do.

;-)

310 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:05:56pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

For the Navy guys...
Fun with German Navy Boats


good grief!...no wonder they lost both WWs

311 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:06:02pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

For the Navy guys...
Fun with German Navy Boats



Somewhere there's a German captain cursing up a storm.

312 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:06:20pm

re: #212 Walter L. Newton

Well, you are going to be VERY lonely among the progressives. A whole lot of them are more like, well, Jew haters. Just a small point I wanted to clear up for you.

You couldn't be more wrong. But tell me they Right has no Jew haters huh?

313 JustMyView  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:06:20pm

re: #240 Racer X

I have plenty of documentation on his performance so far. Can anyone list any significant accomplishments?

Heck, G.W. Bush had a higher approval rating at this point. Is that not like a performance review?

Oh, good grief! They are only one point apart.

314 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:06:37pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

HOLY SHIT!
THAT WAS CLOSE!

315 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:06:39pm

re: #293 American Sabra

You're a smart woman. You don't get because you don't want to.

Charles changed the tag on this blog to say "Weblog covering issues dear to both conservatives and US liberals." By that I think he would like to see this blog as a meeting place where two groups of people can actually have meaningful conversations about things that mean a great deal to the both of us. Demonization stops that dead in its tracks. It makes the user feel better to get it off their chest, but does nothing to progress conversation. But people who demonize don't won't conversation. Because if so, they'd eventually have to admit their own faults. It's much easier to call someone a Commie. Then they have an excuse not to talk to evil.

Anyway, never mind about it. It doesn't matter. I'll leave.

Right, and guess what, we are adults, we argue, we pontificate, we make noise, we have strong opinions, we make mistakes, we curse, we cajole, we insult, we make jokes, and we walk away like GROWN men and woman (and a occasional lizard) and we don't WHINE about having a point of view that we want to discuss.

I'm almost amazed, have you never had to stand up for your point of view before, have you never had to fight for what you believe is right, what you have in your heart?

Amazing.

316 Racer X  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:07:04pm

re: #298 American Sabra

Perhaps it would be better to actually discuss your concerns with TFK?

317 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:07:13pm

re: #301 Alouette

All due respect, co-authoring a book with someone is a whole lot different than attending a class with 50 people.

If you think co-authoring a book with someone is just like attending a class with 50 people, I'd like to hear your reasons.


Sweet Buddha on a rice cake. Reread.

318 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:07:32pm

re: #293 American Sabra

Anyway, never mind about it. It doesn't matter. I'll leave.

Now your a victim... being driven from this blog. I understand.

319 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:08:09pm

re: #296 Sharmuta

Heh. I heard he leaves the seat up.

And when he "supplies" it he always "denies" it.

320 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:08:12pm

re: #309 subsailor68

Heh. Those things ain't cheap. I'm sure they're tough but I don't think you're supposed to run them into each other like that.

321 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:08:13pm

re: #247 subsailor68

Phew, couldn't get off Ward Cleaver's anagram site. Too cool!

Hey, did you guys know that one anagram for "nirth certificate" is Feather Citric Nit? And another is Naif Hectic Triter?

(I know, I need to get a life.)

Spare me going to look for it.
Do you still have it?

322 Catttt  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:08:32pm

re: #299 ArchangelMichael

He probably put mannequins in his car to go in the carpool lanes too...

AND he wears mom jeans.

323 jaunte  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:09:09pm

re: #320 Killgore Trout

I wonder how much paper that incident generated.

324 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:09:25pm

re: #172 JustMyView

I listened. I suspect many LGFers are going to be quite disappointed.

What an insulting remark.

325 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:10:09pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

For the Navy guys...
Fun with German Navy Boats

Yow!

326 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:10:13pm

re: #321 J.D.

Spare me going to look for it.
Do you still have it?

Okay J.D. you asked for it. Don't blame me if ya get hooked!!

;-)

Anagram Site

327 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:10:29pm

re: #299 ArchangelMichael

He probably put mannequins in his car to go in the carpool lanes too...

He also probably exceeds the speed limit.

328 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:10:29pm

re: #306 Cato the Elder

Oh, please don't do that. You need a thick skin around here, and you're part of the talk. Don't go off in a huff.

Hard to stay when you're not wanted.

329 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:10:49pm

Has anyone tuned in to Sarah Palin's "Buy American Campaign"?

Sarah Palin: "U.S. outsources jobs, industry; this must be turned around for nation's survival by: Buy American/produce domestically/encourage competition."

Sarah Palin: "No time to waste: teach US youth to avoid idleness; they can lead new American Industrial Revolution w/WORK & embrace "Buy American" mission."

She sounds like Pat Buchanan, isolationist, populist, xenophobic, and a moonbat to boot. "Buy American" is such an anti-American concept! Has she ever heard of the mutual gains from free trade? She must thing commerce is a zero-sum game -- a most tribal mentality that ultimately feeds the motivations of every socialist and statist out there.

All this tripe is of course replete with the obligatory Apocalyptic scenarios so dear to the paleocon's hearts: "You must do as I say for nation's survival."

I knew that's all Palin was about as soon as I hear her "greed on Wall Street" remarks at the VP debate last year. This woman is such an embarrassment it makes me blush, and her having made it so far in politics betrays a powerful current of sexism in this country.

330 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:11:18pm
331 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:12:03pm

re: #328 American Sabra

Hard to stay when you're not wanted.

It's easier to act and play as the victim instead of having a backbone strong enough to either bite back at or ignore a jerk's comment.

Cato's right (even if I think he's a jerk at times).

332 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:12:15pm

re: #255 SasquatchOnSteroids

If you don't like what he says, don't read his posts.
It's called autoscroll.

You could say that about anyone's posts, no matter what was in them. "Just scroll past if you don't like..."

Problem with TFK is he has an irritating habit of naming other lizards in his posts and 'calling them out' to answer his latest ramblings/links etc. If you do as you suggest he dogs you all the way through the thread with follow up posts like "Jimmah - Well?" "Cat got Jimmah's tongue" etc etc. Like I said earlier, it's not the sort of thing that keeps me awake at night, but it is annoying, and I can quite understand others being more annoyed than myself.

333 jaunte  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:12:18pm

People who scroll over tfk can't be upset with tfk, because they don't read his posts. Unless they do.

334 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:12:31pm

re: #329 medaura18586

PIMF: She must think commerce is a zero-sum game -- a most tribal mentality that ultimately feeds the motivations of every socialist and statist out there.

335 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:12:59pm

re: #328 American Sabra

Hard to stay when you're not wanted.

I didn't appreciate your swipe at a fellow lizard. I did not mean to give the impression you are not wanted. Like Cato the Elder said, you need a thick skin around here.

336 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:13:07pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

For the Navy guys...
Fun with German Navy Boats

"A collision at sea can ruin your entire day."
-Thucydides, 5th Century BCE

337 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:13:12pm

re: #330 taxfreekiller

Who, me, no way, got papers when they let me out, certified sane, with a U.S. Navy Captain signature on it.

Not crazy, but good at getting guilty dogs to bark at their own loon moon.

EXCELLENT

338 keeping it simple  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:13:44pm

Ahem! I haven't read every posting and so if this has already been addressed, I do beg your pardon.

As someone who lives in his district, may I bring to your attention the fact that my Congressman's name is Trent Franks. (With an ess.)

339 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:14:34pm

re: #333 jaunte

People who scroll over tfk can't be upset with tfk, because they don't read his posts. Unless they do.

Careful. It's apparently contagious.
I ran that through the TFK Decoder Ring and it began to make sense.

/ ... :D

340 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:14:43pm

re: #331 Honorary Yooper

It's easier to act and play as the victim instead of having a backbone strong enough to either bite back at or ignore a jerk's comment.

Cato's right (even if I think he's a jerk at times).

What a VILE remark about Cato.
///

341 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:14:51pm

re: #338 keeping it simple

Ahem! I haven't read every posting and so if this has already been addressed, I do beg your pardon.

As someone who lives in his district, may I bring to your attention the fact that my Congressman's name is Trent Franks. (With an ess.)

I addressed it after I messed it up. Sorry.

342 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:14:58pm

re: #328 American Sabra

Hard to stay when you're not wanted.

Hang out...I got a story to tell you...

343 jaunte  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:15:08pm

Politicians pandering, provoking pained protests.

344 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:15:16pm

re: #305 iceweasel

God, i would love that. Or fear of a barack planet. That could work too.

This is awesome btw, incredibly well mixed-- don't know if people here have seen it, but most wouldn't like it.

McCain's expressions are the best. Just really well done.


That was silly, but funny:)

345 Jack Burton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:15:20pm

re: #329 medaura18586

If this is true and goes the direction I think it is, its the next step to her going Paulian which I fear is where she is headed.

Having a complete but unrealized ignorance in capitalism and globalization, and preaching moving backwards to having everyone work in factories again is a plank on the "Put us on the gold standard" platform.

Bad news, really bad news. Please say it is not so Sarah.

346 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:15:26pm

re: #312 American Sabra

You couldn't be more wrong. But tell me they Right has no Jew haters huh?

Sabra

Sabra (person)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Sabra.
Sabra (Hebrew: צבר‎) is a term used to describe a person born in Israel.[1] In contrast, an oleh (masculine) or olah (feminine) is a person who immigrates to Israel[2] under Aliyah.
The word sabra derived from the Hebrew name for the Indian Fig Opuntia cactus, "tzabar," and related to the Arabic word for aloe/cactus, "sabr," which means patience.[3] The allusion is to a tenacious, thorny desert plant with a thick hide that conceals a sweet, softer interior, i.e., rough and masculine on the outside, but delicate and sensitive on the inside. The first use of the word to describe native-born Israelis is claimed by the journalist Uri Kesari, who published an essay, "We Are the Leaves of the Sabra!", in Doar HaYom on 18 April 1931.[4]
The sociological characteristics of the sabra were examined by Oz Almog in his book "The Sabra - The Creation of the New Jew."[5]
In the 1980's, when television in Israel was still black and white and aired several hours a day, the Israeli children's show, Ma Pit'om ("What on earth?" or "You don't say!," מה פתאום) featured as its star the talking cactus Kishkashta; Kishkashta was a Sesame Street-style felt puppet who introduced himself with a solitary song.
The "sabr" is also a national symbol for Bedouins. In their folklore it is also known as a symbol of patience and perseverance.[6]

347 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:15:37pm

re: #277 ArchangelMichael

You like Jerry Lewis. You give me hope to live.

348 Racer X  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:15:49pm

re: #339 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Careful. It's apparently contagious.
I ran that through the TFK Decoder Ring and it began to make sense.

/ ... :D

Ixnay on the ecretsay ingray!

Its sekrit!

349 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:16:06pm
350 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:16:30pm

re: #329 medaura18586

Has anyone tuned in to Sarah Palin's "Buy American Campaign"?

...

I assume Sarah Palin never took International Econ.

But based on his statements and policies, I suspect Barack Obama didn't either.

Without his transcripts, we'll never know.

/mild sarc on the last line

351 1SG(ret)  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:16:48pm

I'm a victim, please beg me to stay...child!
Thick skin...Adult!

Damn the choices we all have to make.

352 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:16:49pm

re: #315 Walter L. Newton

Right, and guess what, we are adults, we argue, we pontificate, we make noise, we have strong opinions, we make mistakes, we curse, we cajole, we insult, we make jokes, and we walk away like GROWN men and woman (and a occasional lizard) and we don't WHINE about having a point of view that we want to discuss.

I'm almost amazed, have you never had to stand up for your point of view before, have you never had to fight for what you believe is right, what you have in your heart?

Amazing.

No Walter, I don't demonize people. At least I try to be extremely mindful how 1) hurtful it is and 2) how it cuts off a conversation in its tracks. SOME PEOPLE HERE if you don't want me to mention any names, just make blanket statements over and over and over and quite frankly, it's rather tiring and does nothing but make the poster feel better.

I put Sharmuta on the spot on her comment at #66 and I shouldn't have done that. She hasn't responded (she doesn't have to), but it's something that's been eating at me forever so I took a swing. Strikeout I guess.

353 Silvergirl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:17:16pm

re: #306 Cato the Elder

Oh, please don't do that. You need a thick skin around here, and you're part of the talk. Don't go off in a huff.

Upding for a rare response, and for not condemning it as a flounce and talking about slammin' yer ass on the door on the way out--all the usual stuff. Good on you.

354 Catttt  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:17:29pm

Here's an awesome example of dealing with the subject of hate without going negative or making attacks on others. And yes, I am a total fangirl.

Youtube Video
355 jaunte  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:17:39pm

I have very little invested in Sarah Palin, but a lot riding on the actual President. Keep your eye on the birdie.

356 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:17:43pm

re: #348 Racer X

Ixnay on the ecretsay ingray!

Its sekrit!

*picks up keyboard, slams keyboard on hand, bangs keyboard on head*

/sorry!

357 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:18:18pm

re: #352 American Sabra

I didn't mean to be rude. I can't answer your earlier question to me because it's not my blog.

358 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:18:28pm

Here's a thought about that Politico article on the nirthers disrupting town hall meetings. Wouldn't the best solution be for sane people to go to these meetings and try for a pre-emptive strike? By that I mean, try to bring up the subject first and ask your representative what he's doing to prevent non-issues like the birth certificate from interfering with the real work of blocking Obama's agenda in Congress. Bring your video camera, just like the nirthers. If your Congressman hems and haws, you know you need a new candidate. If he gives you a straight answer, and the nirthers go bonkers, up they go on You Tube in all their moronic glory.

359 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:18:33pm

re: #352 American Sabra

No Walter, I don't demonize people. At least I try to be extremely mindful how 1) hurtful it is and 2) how it cuts off a conversation in its tracks. SOME PEOPLE HERE if you don't want me to mention any names, just make blanket statements over and over and over and quite frankly, it's rather tiring and does nothing but make the poster feel better.

I put Sharmuta on the spot on her comment at #66 and I shouldn't have done that. She hasn't responded (she doesn't have to), but it's something that's been eating at me forever so I took a swing. Strikeout I guess.

switch to conservatism...problem solved

360 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:18:33pm

re: #334 medaura18586

PIMF: She must think commerce is a zero-sum game -- a most tribal mentality that ultimately feeds the motivations of every socialist and statist out there.

OTOH, it appears that the whole Democrat Party thinks the economy is a zero-sum game.

361 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:18:38pm

re: #332 Jimmah

You could say that about anyone's posts, no matter what was in them. "Just scroll past if you don't like..."

Problem with TFK is he has an irritating habit of naming other lizards in his posts and 'calling them out' to answer his latest ramblings/links etc. If you do as you suggest he dogs you all the way through the thread with follow up posts like "Jimmah - Well?" "Cat got Jimmah's tongue" etc etc. Like I said earlier, it's not the sort of thing that keeps me awake at night, but it is annoying, and I can quite understand others being more annoyed than myself.

My wife has a sign over the sink.

Dinner Choices :
1) Take it
2) Leave it

I don't know what else to say.

362 Athos  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:19:00pm

We have a responsibility to stand up, shine a bright light on the nutters in the conservative movement / GOP - and boot them out just as Buckeley did when he confronted the Birchers who were tainting conservatism 40 years ago. If we don't, we hand our opponents a cudgel that they will only too happily take to us ensuring their continued electoral success as we will be painted and defined by association as kooks who aren't responsible enough for power.

Nirtherism is no different from trooferism or even the whackos who continue to bleat about Florida in 2000 - it is an embracement of the derangement syndrome we ridiculed for years. Becoming our enemy is not the way to win and we don't get the pass that they do for their looniness.

The way to fight the President's agenda and actions is to over a better vision, direction, and solution and articulate the superiority of it. Show, using facts, the damage being done to the economy, the damage that will be done to the economy, by the irresponsible spending and other programs he is advocating. We don't do this by whinging about a trumped up issue created by kranks (WND) who can't offer a cogent alternative.

363 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:19:42pm

re: #353 Silvergirl

Upding for a rare response, and for not condemning it as a flounce and talking about slammin' yer ass on the door on the way out--all the usual stuff. Good on you.

Cato's okay...beware that mean right hook tho

364 yochanan  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:20:08pm

re: #314 pre-Boomer Marine brat

it wasn't close the last scene in the ved shows metal hitting metal wonder how much damage?

365 KingKenrod  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:20:14pm

re: #329 medaura18586

Very disappointing opinion from Palin. Very backwards. It's the same side of the pro-union, protectionist, lets-start-a-trade-war branch of the Democrat party.

366 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:20:47pm

re: #329 medaura18586

I've been getting the impression for a while that there's an anti-globalisation meme out there in the rightosphere, picking up support, building bridges to the paleocons and the NWO paranoia freaks.

367 Silvergirl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:21:18pm

re: #322 Cattt

AND he wears mom jeans.

His mom jeans are better than gansta pants.

368 Silvergirl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:21:37pm

re: #367 Silvergirl

PIMF
gangsta

369 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:21:43pm

re: #329 medaura18586

Has anyone tuned in to Sarah Palin's "Buy American Campaign"?

Sarah Palin: "U.S. outsources jobs, industry; this must be turned around for nation's survival by: Buy American/produce domestically/encourage competition."

Sarah Palin: "No time to waste: teach US youth to avoid idleness; they can lead new American Industrial Revolution w/WORK & embrace "Buy American" mission."

She sounds like Pat Buchanan, isolationist, populist, xenophobic, and a moonbat to boot. "Buy American" is such an anti-American concept! Has she ever heard of the mutual gains from free trade? She must thing commerce is a zero-sum game -- a most tribal mentality that ultimately feeds the motivations of every socialist and statist out there.

All this tripe is of course replete with the obligatory Apocalyptic scenarios so dear to the paleocon's hearts: "You must do as I say for nation's survival."

I knew that's all Palin was about as soon as I hear her "greed on Wall Street" remarks at the VP debate last year. This woman is such an embarrassment it makes me blush, and her having made it so far in politics betrays a powerful current of sexism in this country.

We can't survive by selling pizzas to each other. You obviously aren't living with the real fear (like I am) that your job will be sent overseas, to be taken over by someone making $8k a year. I'm not 100% on board with all the "Buy American" stuff, but I don't like jobs being sent overseas.

What's the point of pushing for more math and science education in this country, if there's not going to be any jobs for them?

370 Pianobuff  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:21:57pm

re: #365 KingKenrod

Very disappointing opinion from Palin. Very backwards. It's the same side of the pro-union, protectionist, lets-start-a-trade-war branch of the Democrat party.

Agreed. Too close to what Obama ran on for my comfort.

371 keeping it simple  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:22:24pm

re: #341 wrenchwench

I addressed it after I messed it up. Sorry.


I'm sorry. I didn't see your correction. (I do now.) Contrition upding for you.

372 Silvergirl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:23:15pm

re: #363 albusteve

Cato's okay...beware that mean right hook tho

Yeah. Especially if you watch your spelling.

373 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:23:16pm

re: #268 medaura18586

Sarah Palin is insane and embarrassing. Let the down-dings begin.

re: #303 unrealizedviewpoint

Talk about hate. Wow!

Talk about what? Sarah Palin thinks she's qualified to run this country, but can't stick out a term as governor in Alaska. Hence, insane.

Sarah Palin can't string together a coherent sentence. She just drivels on, tossing in emotive buzzwords like "our soldiers" and "it's about country" and capitalizing random words and putting in exclamation points like a pre-teen on a texting binge. Ergo, embarrassing.

In her final speech today: "Yes, America must look north to the future for security, for energy independence, for our strategic location on the globe. Alaska is the gate-keeper of the continent." [Which is why I'm stepping down and turning my back on the people who elected me, because, uh, I must look south to the future of my book deals and talk shows and my strategic location in your head. I am the gatekeeper of the GOP.]

I don't hate Sarah Palin, and I doubt Medaura does. She's entertaining, and she brings out the best in a certain class of men who think with the small head. Long may she rave.

374 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:23:26pm

re: #366 Jimmah

I've been getting the impression for a while that there's an anti-globalisation meme out there in the rightosphere, picking up support, building bridges to the paleocons and the NWO paranoia freaks.

Not surprising- the paulbots are isolationists. Likely they're spreading the meme. You'd be surprised at the depth of these little fascists' network.

375 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:24:14pm
376 Catttt  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:24:19pm

re: #368 Silvergirl

PIMF
gangsta

He'd look awesome in skinny jeans and snakeskin boots, though.

377 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:24:34pm

re: #364 yochanan

it wasn't close the last scene in the ved shows metal hitting metal wonder how much damage?

I did wonder about that, but didn't go back to watch a second time.

It was near-parallel, side-to-side, which undoubtedly took off fittings, and possibly sprang leaks in the hull plating (opening welded seams.)

What was "close" was a bow-on collision. That was a near thing.

378 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:26:26pm

re: #293 American Sabra

Charles changed the tag on this blog to say "Weblog covering issues dear to both conservatives and US liberals."

Just a note -- I didn't write that tag. I've seen it around in various places, but it didn't come from me. I don't disagree with it, but I want to clarify that.

379 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:26:36pm

re: #366 Jimmah

I've been getting the impression for a while that there's an anti-globalisation meme out there in the rightosphere, picking up support, building bridges to the paleocons and the NWO paranoia freaks.

That's interesting, and I'll grant you a small amount of that on the right, but the overwhelming majority of anti-globalisation that I've seen over the last few years has been coming from the left, from the loons who protest at economic summit conferences to the official positions of the Democrat Party.

380 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:27:00pm

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

Oddly, I've often wondered that myself, if the whole 'nirther issue isn't just about race, and the racism of the 'nirthers coming to the forefront.

Would they do this to a different candidate, say Hillary Clinton or John McCain?

Remember "The Clinton Record"? I don't think that race has anything to do with this, other than those cases where people are deranged in more than one way.It would be foolish to categorically state that nirthers are not racists, but that's not what is needed. It is equally foolish to ascribe obvious lunacy to a more insidious form of lunacy.

381 Silvergirl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:27:34pm

re: #329 medaura18586

This woman is such an embarrassment it makes me blush, and her having made it so far in politics betrays a powerful current of sexism in this country.

Would you elaborate? I don't get it.

382 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:27:45pm

Well, that was quick. One shot between the eyes and one of the feral pigs is dead. It was awful. The cops came flying down the drive, one jumped out of the car and shot it with a rifle. I didn't have time to grab The Kid and he saw it all. Oh gosh he is still crying. Inconsolable. They'd been tracking them and found one about half a mile away when he disappeared into the woods coming toward my house. One pair of cops tracked it while another pair came to the house. Oh, I'm crying again. Later.

383 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:28:04pm

re: #329 medaura18586

I'm no great fan of Palin. I could care less about her and I doubt she'll be President. But I must say: you are so out of touch. You attack Sarah Palin just for being, don't you? ...just for being alive, don't you?

384 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:28:06pm

I have to say though that I'm very disappointed that Palin stepped down, and didn't stick it out for at least one term.

385 yochanan  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:28:40pm

re: #361 SasquatchOnSteroids

My wife has a sign over the sink.

Dinner Choices :
1) Take it
2) Leave it
3) What is it
I don't know what else to say.

ducks

386 Racer X  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:28:56pm

Hee hee hee!

Sarah Palin is still making liberals wet themselves.

Smartest thing you could do is ignore her. But you won't, you can't.

387 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:28:59pm

re: #361 SasquatchOnSteroids

Does she serve up "commie loon pie" on a regular basis?

388 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:30:37pm

re: #384 Ward Cleaver

I have to say though that I'm very disappointed that Palin stepped down, and didn't stick it out for at least one term.

Agreed. Quitting probably ruins any chance she has of future higher office, which is probably a good thing. Unfortunately, we can't make her stop talking. With any luck, she will hook up with Uncle Ron and be completely marginalized.

389 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:31:19pm
390 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:31:58pm

re: #382 MandyManners

Well, that was quick. One shot between the eyes and one of the feral pigs is dead. It was awful. The cops came flying down the drive, one jumped out of the car and shot it with a rifle. I didn't have time to grab The Kid and he saw it all. Oh gosh he is still crying. Inconsolable. They'd been tracking them and found one about half a mile away when he disappeared into the woods coming toward my house. One pair of cops tracked it while another pair came to the house. Oh, I'm crying again. Later.

Hang in there Mandy. I'm sorry the Kid saw it without any warning. Just try to remember that these feral pigs can be extremely dangerous, and it's better to do what you did than risk one of them attacking the Kid while he's out playing. (I know it doesn't help much right now, but believe me, it's better.)

391 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:32:33pm

re: #387 Jimmah

Does she serve up "commie loon pie" on a regular basis?

Yes, it's delicious with whipped cream.
/

392 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:32:36pm

re: #379 Son of the Black Dog

That's interesting, and I'll grant you a small amount of that on the right, but the overwhelming majority of anti-globalisation that I've seen over the last few years has been coming from the left, from the loons who protest at economic summit conferences to the official positions of the Democrat Party.

That's true, in the past it has been mostly (but not exclusively) from the left. That does not take a way from the fact that it is gaining traction among the right today.

393 1SG(ret)  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:32:38pm

American Sabra

tfk is onboard, you can address your concerns with him in person...not behind his back

You up for it?

394 yochanan  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:32:56pm

re: #377 pre-Boomer Marine brat

they did hit but it looked glancing if it had been head on one of them would have sunk.

395 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:33:07pm

re: #363 albusteve

Cato's okay...beware that mean right hook tho

That's a left hook, by the way.

[ducks, bobs, weaves, quick footwork; what you got?]

396 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:33:25pm

re: #373 Cato the Elder

Oh Bullshit! It's ALL about hate. I've watched the left demonize this woman Palin since McCain added her to the ticket. Hate is hate and I know it when I see it. It's kinda like pron, I know when I see it.

397 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:33:27pm

re: #384 Ward Cleaver

I have to say though that I'm very disappointed that Palin stepped down, and didn't stick it out for at least one term.

I never identified with Palin on some personal level in the first place...McCains VP, whatever...therefore my question is so what?

398 Racer X  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:33:40pm

re: #384 Ward Cleaver

I have to say though that I'm very disappointed that Palin stepped down, and didn't stick it out for at least one term.

I think we've gone over this pretty well. I was disappointed too. Her explanation makes sense to me. The personal lawsuits are bankrupting her, and preventing her from doing the job she was elected to do.

Alaska is arguably in the best shape of any state in the union. She can afford to step down and take her detractors head-on.

I'm not in love with Sarah, I just see the constant attention and criticism she gets from the left as unwarranted.

399 Buck  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:34:00pm

re: #380 haakondahl

Remember "The Clinton Record"? I don't think that race has anything to do with this, other than those cases where people are deranged in more than one way.It would be foolish to categorically state that nirthers are not racists, but that's not what is needed. It is equally foolish to ascribe obvious lunacy to a more insidious form of lunacy.

I equate Nirthers with 9/11 Truth. Both centered on removing the current President from office.

The difference I don't remember anyone linking Democrats to 9/11 Truth, but for some reason the Nirthers are not just nuts, they are Republican Nuts.

400 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:34:06pm

re: #390 subsailor68

Hang in there Mandy. I'm sorry the Kid saw it without any warning. Just try to remember that these feral pigs can be extremely dangerous, and it's better to do what you did than risk one of them attacking the Kid while he's out playing. (I know it doesn't help much right now, but believe me, it's better.)

I'll say. You don't want to mess with those things. They're as far from being one of those pot-bellied pigs as you can get. Not friendly.

401 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:34:21pm

re: #392 Jimmah

That's true, in the past it has been mostly (but not exclusively) from the left. That does not take a way from the fact that it is gaining traction among the right today.

In the near recent past, but the stuff coming from the right is a bit older, and predates WWII.

402 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:35:24pm

re: #398 Racer X

I think we've gone over this pretty well. I was disappointed too. Her explanation makes sense to me. The personal lawsuits are bankrupting her, and preventing her from doing the job she was elected to do.

Alaska is arguably in the best shape of any state in the union. She can afford to step down and take her detractors head-on.

I'm not in love with Sarah, I just see the constant attention and criticism she gets from the left as unwarranted.

I think she scares the hell out of them.

403 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:35:37pm

re: #382 MandyManners

{{{Mandy}}}

404 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:36:25pm

re: #360 Son of the Black Dog

OTOH, it appears that the whole Democrat Party thinks the economy is a zero-sum game.


Heh... to the point... they just passed Pay-Go in the house.

405 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:36:32pm

re: #382 MandyManners

Well, that was quick. One shot between the eyes and one of the feral pigs is dead. It was awful. The cops came flying down the drive, one jumped out of the car and shot it with a rifle. I didn't have time to grab The Kid and he saw it all. Oh gosh he is still crying. Inconsolable. They'd been tracking them and found one about half a mile away when he disappeared into the woods coming toward my house. One pair of cops tracked it while another pair came to the house. Oh, I'm crying again. Later.

No lipstick on that beast, right? Just checking.

406 yochanan  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:36:43pm

re: #400 Ward Cleaver

HOGZILLIA

407 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:36:45pm

re: #397 albusteve

I never identified with Palin on some personal level in the first place...McCains VP, whatever...therefore my question is so what?

If you want my honest opinion, a lot of people on the right have sold Palin and her sexiness the same way the left sold Obama on his blackness. Bad politics on both sides.

408 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:36:51pm

re: #400 Ward Cleaver

I'll say. You don't want to mess with those things. They're as far from being one of those pot-bellied pigs as you can get. Not friendly.

seems like they could have shot it with some sleepy juice or whatever (like I care)

409 Pianobuff  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:37:03pm

re: #402 Ward Cleaver

I think she scares the hell out of them.

Perhaps, but a plurality of Americans believe she should be a homemaker for now.

410 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:38:01pm

re: #400 Ward Cleaver

I'll say. You don't want to mess with those things. They're as far from being one of those pot-bellied pigs as you can get. Not friendly.

Yep! IIRC, the feral pigs here in our part of Texas (and elsewhere) are a cross between native hogs and Russian boars that were brought over in the 19th century (I think). They're nasty, brutal, and totally fearless.

I did a deer count late one night with a friend on a ranch near here, and we came across well over two dozen at a watering hole. Glad we were able to get to the truck...and the rifles.

411 Racer X  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:38:44pm

One shot, right between the eyes?

Damn.

412 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:38:51pm

re: #407 Walter L. Newton

If you want my honest opinion, a lot of people on the right have sold Palin and her sexiness the same way the left sold Obama on his blackness. Bad politics on both sides.

yes, there is an equal fixation on the right that I am not comfortable with and it's just as creepy...seems like everybody is stalking this woman but for different reasons...good call

413 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:39:18pm

A cool video made by some local guys on Mt. Hood at Timberline Lodge...

Magic Flashlights

414 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:39:22pm

re: #404 eschew_obfuscation

Heh... to the point... they just passed Pay-Go in the house.

I support pay-go.

415 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:39:37pm

re: #410 subsailor68

Yep! IIRC, the feral pigs here in our part of Texas (and elsewhere) are a cross between native hogs and Russian boars that were brought over in the 19th century (I think). They're nasty, brutal, and totally fearless.

I did a deer count late one night with a friend on a ranch near here, and we came across well over two dozen at a watering hole. Glad we were able to get to the truck...and the rifles.

My cousin in East Texas has some gamecams set out, and the feral pigs show up in lots of pictures, along with deer, raccoons, opossums, etc.

416 Catttt  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:40:47pm

Anyone remember the scene in The Stand where the city boy butchers a pig? Once civilization broke down, there were no supermarkets, so he had to do it himself if he wanted pork. He wanted pork.

417 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:41:42pm

re: #382 MandyManners

Well, that was quick. One shot between the eyes and one of the feral pigs is dead. It was awful. The cops came flying down the drive, one jumped out of the car and shot it with a rifle. I didn't have time to grab The Kid and he saw it all. Oh gosh he is still crying. Inconsolable. They'd been tracking them and found one about half a mile away when he disappeared into the woods coming toward my house. One pair of cops tracked it while another pair came to the house. Oh, I'm crying again. Later.

Sorry that The Kid saw it killed. Or you for that matter. But feral pigs are a big problem.

In general, feral pigs can adapt to almost any kind of habitat. However, in other states, they tend to inhabit swamps, brushlands, woodlands, mountain forests and woodlands near agricultural fields.

Threats to Wisconsin
The existence of feral pigs in Wisconsin raises many issues. The DNR and most Wisconsin hunters oppose the existence and spread of feral pigs because these animals not only compete with our native white-tailed deer but they have also been associated with the local population declines of quail and wild turkey in other states.

In addition, feral pigs can transmit diseases and parasites to livestock and people. Farmers are especially worried about the potential spread of exotic diseases to their domestic livestock. Of primary concern are diseases such as pseudorabies, brucellosis and tuberculosis. Many farmers are also troubled by potential crop losses. As mentioned above, feral pigs can be extremely destructive to recently planted fields and can damage pastures, facilities and fences, resulting in serious financial losses. Wallows can affect ponds and wetlands by muddying the water, creating algae blooms, destroying aquatic vegetation and lowering overall water quality. Digging and rooting activity of feral pigs near a watercourse leads to bank erosion. All of this activity can lead to decreased livestock use and poor fish production. Officials in other countries have reported feral pigs killing lambs and other domestic stock.

Due to feral pigs' tramping and rooting behaviors, Wisconsin's and other state's wildlife biologists are becoming increasingly concerned about the devastation these exotic animals can cause to ecologically sensitive native habitats, particularly native plants and rare, threatened or endangered species. These biologists are beginning to document the population declines that feral pigs are inflicting on grassland birds, wetland wildlife, and various small mammals.

418 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:41:59pm

re: #369 Ward Cleaver

We can't survive by selling pizzas to each other. You obviously aren't living with the real fear (like I am) that your job will be sent overseas, to be taken over by someone making $8k a year. I'm not 100% on board with all the "Buy American" stuff, but I don't like jobs being sent overseas.

What's the point of pushing for more math and science education in this country, if there's not going to be any jobs for them?


Much of my work is already going overseas (IT consulting to India), but I'm firmly in the globalization camp. Someone has to invent and design the stuff China makes for us and they do it cheaper (and, unfortunately, sometimes less well). Where it works well, it raises our overall standard of living... like Walmart entering a community.

419 really grumpy big dog johnson  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:42:02pm

Isn't it about time to begin the hard work of organizing a convention for the purposes of creating a new party? The "so-called" republicans have abandoned ship en masse. Forget the rudder, the ship doesn't even exist.

P.S.
For me, the last chance has come and gone for Palin; I'm through with looking past her issues. Disappointed would be an radical understatement.

420 keeping it simple  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:43:15pm

re: #416 Cattt

Anyone remember the scene in The Stand where the city boy butchers a pig? Once civilization broke down, there were no supermarkets, so he had to do it himself if he wanted pork. He wanted pork.


And the killing of a pig in the movie "Heartland". Interesting movie about life in Wyoming early 20th century.

421 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:43:44pm

There is some kind of serious evil over at Yahoo.com.
Two hours ago, I tried to open a letter in Yahoo mail, from a definite safe source, and my browser jammed. This has happened several times recently, always only with Yahoo. This time I had to close it, with all other tabs as well. I clicked immediately to open a fresh window. It hasn't opened yet, despite several more attempts. I am back to using IE 7 instead of Opera unless I want to re-start the computer.

Right now, Yahoo is down completely.

422 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:45:52pm

re: #421 Shiplord Kirel

There is some kind of serious evil over at Yahoo.com.
Two hours ago, I tried to open a letter in Yahoo mail, from a definite safe source, and my browser jammed. This has happened several times recently, always only with Yahoo. This time I had to close it, with all other tabs as well. I clicked immediately to open a fresh window. It hasn't opened yet, despite several more attempts. I am back to using IE 7 instead of Opera unless I want to re-start the computer.

Right now, Yahoo is down completely.

[Link: uk.answers.yahoo.com...]

423 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:46:19pm

well so far today I've been called a conspiracy monger, a nirther, and a racist...it's Miller time

424 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:46:37pm

re: #423 albusteve

well so far today I've been called a conspiracy monger, a nirther, and a racist...it's Miller time

You drunk :)

425 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:46:59pm

re: #424 Walter L. Newton

You drunk :)

how else can I live with myself?

426 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:47:02pm

Anyone else getting crashes with firefox when you start typing in the 'Find' field (ctrl+f)?

427 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:47:03pm

re: #402 Ward Cleaver

I think she scares the hell out of them.

What the Democrats are doing is the equivalent of impaling their defeated enemies at the border, especially turncoats who were trying to escape.

They will commit any media atrocity necessary in order to hammer home the point that nobody except for white men get out of the Democrat party alive. Should it become acceptable for women and minorities to succeed as Republicans, the sun will set on the Democrats. They're not dumb. Palin must be flensed as Clarence Thomas was.

428 yochanan  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:47:10pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

COOL Kill more trout
would that be trout fishing in america?

429 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:47:43pm

re: #414 Sharmuta

I support pay-go.

It's a nice idea if you believe that increasing or decreasing taxes has a direct one-for-one effect on revenues. I don't think evidence will bear that out. Art Laffer has done a lot of work on this. To my knowledge, we've never found the peak of the Laffer curve (the marginal tax rate where any change would cause revenues to drop)... always been on the high side. That says that much lower tax rates could increase revenues substantially.

430 calcajun  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:48:05pm

re: #423 albusteve

You hit the Trifecta! You earned it.

431 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:48:10pm

re: #422 Walter L. Newton

[Link: uk.answers.yahoo.com...]

That explains it all right but it seems downright sinister that their glitches could wreck my browser that completely.

432 KenJen  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:48:18pm

.

433 Spider Mensch  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:48:51pm

re: #410 subsailor68

Yep! IIRC, the feral pigs here in our part of Texas (and elsewhere) are a cross between native hogs and Russian boars that were brought over in the 19th century (I think). They're nasty, brutal, and totally fearless.

I did a deer count late one night with a friend on a ranch near here, and we came across well over two dozen at a watering hole. Glad we were able to get to the truck...and the rifles.

I imagine they might be quite tasty if bbq'd correctly, maybe open fire on a spit? ?? any lizards ever eat this critter??

434 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:49:04pm

re: #414 Sharmuta

I support pay-go.


As do I. Pay-go is neither a cure nor a curse, but a brake on spending.

435 SecondComing  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:49:06pm

re: #274 Racer X

Yeah, because drinking 17 Cokes a day will make you fat, and taxing them is a way to make people skinny.

To make that the cornerstone to solving healthcare was hilarious to me.

17 a day? Wow, I don't think a little tax is going to stop someone like that.

Why does the Dem answer always have to be more taxes?

436 Lee Coller  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:49:11pm

re: #432 KenJen

.

I see you got right to the point.

437 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:49:36pm

re: #423 albusteve

well so far today I've been called a conspiracy monger, a nirther, a drunk,and a racist...it's Miller time

Fixed that for you.

438 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:49:47pm

The Rolling Stones - Start Me Up

Youtube Video
439 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:50:00pm

re: #429 eschew_obfuscation

The point of pay-go was to make Congress consider their spending habits. I support this. I'd prefer other mechanisms, but this isn't bad policy. The point of it is to keep Congress out of deficit spending. If we want to claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility- we should support this measure.

440 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:50:16pm

re: #437 Walter L. Newton

Fixed that for you.

a little redemption...thanks

441 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:50:20pm

re: #432 KenJen

.

%

442 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:50:33pm

re: #435 SecondComing

To make that the cornerstone to solving healthcare was hilarious to me.

17 a day? Wow, I don't think a little tax is going to stop someone like that.

Why does the Dem answer always have to be more taxes?

Because it's a little less invasive than shooting you!

443 jvic  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:50:50pm

re: #426 Jimmah

Anyone else getting crashes with firefox when you start typing in the 'Find' field (ctrl+f)?

Mine doesn't crash there but it occasionally freezes. Clears up if I wait.

444 HippieforLife  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:50:57pm

re: #161 American Sabra

re: #161 American Sabra

Last night a few of us had a conversation about the demonization of "the other side". The thing is that we all do it, right and left. Silly as it is because there are certainly REAL reasons/issues we can point to and say this is a little kooky. The nirthers are one and the code pinkers are another.

The difference, however, is that Code Pink does NOT make up the majority of Democrats. You can call liberals commies all day long, but that doesn't make it so. That, btw, is demonizing the other side. And you're not happy when the Left does it to you.

I switched to Independent quite awhile ago thinking I might want to become Republican, but I'll be going back to the Dems. I'm not comfy as an Independent. And I'd die before joining this backward party.

The only reason I originally started reading LGF is because I'm a Zionist.


So, you say that the dems are not ALL represented by Code Pink. That is true.
But, because some reps are "nirthers" you have tarred the entire party as "backward".
In what warped reality were you planning on joining the Republican party? I find that pretty hard to believe.

445 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:50:58pm

re: #429 eschew_obfuscation

It's a nice idea if you believe that increasing or decreasing taxes has a direct one-for-one effect on revenues. I don't think evidence will bear that out. Art Laffer has done a lot of work on this. To my knowledge, we've never found the peak of the Laffer curve (the marginal tax rate where any change would cause revenues to drop)... always been on the high side. That says that much lower tax rates could increase revenues substantially.

John Kennedy and Ronald Reagan demonstrated this - and even they never tested the low end limits, so I'm with ya on the reference to Art Laffer - I think he's got it right.

446 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:51:04pm

re: #381 Silvergirl

This woman is such an embarrassment it makes me blush, and her having made it so far in politics betrays a powerful current of sexism in this country.

Would you elaborate? I don't get it.

Sure thing, though I thought in the context, what I meant was pretty self-explanatory. Sarah Palin clearly has got shit for brains. She not only isn't sufficiently educated on the issues -- economics, finance, diplomacy, foreign policy, and apparently, basic geography -- she does not even sound intelligent enough to be able to learn, or, failing that, to credibly fake some sort of competence. If she looked like Maggie Thatcher but sounded as she does, no one would give her the time of day.

But because she's miss former beauty-queen runnerup in slutty flight attendant's wardrobe, people, especially of the straight male orientation, tend to overlook how stupid, insane, and embarrassing she is. Far from her gender hurting her chances due to any "misogyny" prevalent in this country, her gender and the way she carries it has been her only redeeming feature, allowing her to make it this far, when a man or old/ugly woman of the same intellectual caliber wouldn't have had a chance.

447 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:51:15pm

re: #438 Jimmah

The Rolling Stones - Start Me Up


[Video]

what?...have you come to your senses?

448 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:51:59pm

All right; I admit it. I have been assimilated. I just Googled Yahoo.

449 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:52:31pm

re: #439 Sharmuta

The point of pay-go was to make Congress consider their spending habits. I support this. I'd prefer other mechanisms, but this isn't bad policy. The point of it is to keep Congress out of deficit spending. If we want to claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility- we should support this measure.

No...the point of Pay-Go is to increase your taxes. The measures the dems want will be passed one way or the other... with Pay-Go do you really believe something will be cut somewhere as an offset?

450 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:52:55pm

re: #446 medaura18586

Sure thing, though I thought in the context, what I meant was pretty self-explanatory. Sarah Palin clearly has got shit for brains. She not only isn't sufficiently educated on the issues -- economics, finance, diplomacy, foreign policy, and apparently, basic geography -- she does not even sound intelligent enough to be able to learn, or, failing that, to credibly fake some sort of competence. If she looked like Maggie Thatcher but sounded as she does, no one would give her the time of day.

But because she's miss former beauty-queen runnerup in slutty flight attendant's wardrobe, people, especially of the straight male orientation, tend to overlook how stupid, insane, and embarrassing she is. Far from her gender hurting her chances due to any "misogyny" prevalent in this country, her gender and the way she carries it has been her only redeeming feature, allowing her to make it this far, when a man or old/ugly woman of the same intellectual caliber wouldn't have had a chance.

No kidding. I mentioned that above, you detailed it nicely. I can bet you could find more comments about her sexiness than her brains, probably right here on LGF.

451 Pianobuff  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:53:14pm

re: #427 haakondahl

What the Democrats are doing is the equivalent of impaling their defeated enemies at the border, especially turncoats who were trying to escape.

They will commit any media atrocity necessary in order to hammer home the point that nobody except for white men get out of the Democrat party alive. Should it become acceptable for women and minorities to succeed as Republicans, the sun will set on the Democrats. They're not dumb. Palin must be flensed as Clarence Thomas was.

I had to find out what flense means. Thanks for the WOD.

452 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:53:33pm

re: #396 unrealizedviewpoint

Oh Bullshit! It's ALL about hate. I've watched the left demonize this woman Palin since McCain added her to the ticket. Hate is hate and I know it when I see it. It's kinda like pron, I know when I see it.

Stupid is stupid and I know it when I see it. And a quitter is a quitter.

I don't hate Palin. I scorn her. There's a difference.

453 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:53:42pm

re: #448 haakondahl

All right; I admit it. I have been assimilated. I just Googled Yahoo.

It worked, now we have control of the Americans computer.

454 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:53:58pm

re: #435 SecondComing

Why does the Dem answer always have to be more taxes?

Careful, ya don't want to get American Sabra all upset again, do ya?

455 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:54:01pm

re: #443 jvic

Mine doesn't crash there but it occasionally freezes. Clears up if I wait.

That's what I'm getting - it freezes at first, then when you try to continue it crashes. Time to switch to something else for LGF.

456 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:54:16pm

Thanks for the kind words, Lizards. I just cannot explain how unsettling it was to see that pig shot. He twitched briefly and I think that is what got to both me and The Kid, whom I was by then holding and trying to shield. What an awful, awful afternoon.

457 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:54:26pm

re: #448 haakondahl

All right; I admit it. I have been assimilated. I just Googled Yahoo.

Maybe just as a test, you should Bing "Google + Yahoo"

458 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:54:28pm

re: #448 haakondahl

All right; I admit it. I have been assimilated. I just Googled Yahoo.

An LGF poll:
Who is the most evil?

a) Google
b) Yahoo!
c) MSNBC
d) Ron Paul

459 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:54:30pm

re: #449 eschew_obfuscation

No...the point of Pay-Go is to increase your taxes. The measures the dems want will be passed one way or the other... with Pay-Go do you really believe something will be cut somewhere as an offset?

Bingo!! Pay-Go is in and of itself, nothing more than a requirement to raise the money. Without fiscal responsibility in the form of cutting spending concurrently, it can easily become a tax nightmare.

460 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:54:46pm

re: #452 Cato the Elder

Bullshit!

461 lincolntf  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:55:07pm

re: #449 eschew_obfuscation

I was so happy to move to NC from MA because NC had a "Balanced Budget" amendment. Turns out the thing isn't worth shit. We're billions in debt and in the process of passing a budget that spends $1.6 B we don't have.
"For the children", of course.

462 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:55:55pm

re: #456 MandyManners

Thanks for the kind words, Lizards. I just cannot explain how unsettling it was to see that pig shot. He twitched briefly and I think that is what got to both me and The Kid, whom I was by then holding and trying to shield. What an awful, awful afternoon.

Sorry you had to see that !

It's probably one reason I don't hunt (I would if I had to, of course).

463 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:56:22pm

re: #460 unrealizedviewpoint

Bullshit!

Now there's a piece of rhetoric that no one can refute. Cicero would be proud.

464 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:56:48pm

re: #375 taxfreekiller

Anyone interested in tfk's reference to Sgt. Shriver can start here.

465 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:56:52pm

re: #447 albusteve

what?...have you come to your senses?

Nice bass on this version eh?

466 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:57:49pm

Charles needs to post a certified copy of his birth certificate so we know he's really an American blogger. /

467 subsailor68  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:58:14pm

re: #461 lincolntf

I was so happy to move to NC from MA because NC had a "Balanced Budget" amendment. Turns out the thing isn't worth shit. We're billions in debt and in the process of passing a budget that spends $1.6 B we don't have.
"For the children", of course.

Exactly! Great point. A balanced budget means nothing if it bankrupts the state in the process. You can always "balance" a budget by raising taxes to meet the revenue needed to support your spending.

468 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 12:59:30pm

re: #463 Cato the Elder

Now there's a piece of rhetoric that no one can refute. Cicero would be proud.

I know hate and I know bullshit. When you (and others) speak of Palin you speak from hate. That I believe.

469 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:00:05pm

Pay-go lapsed and deficits returned.

It's not the mechanism I want- I would get a balanced budget amendment and reform other spending mechanisms such as abolishing baseline budgeting. I highly doubt either party is serious about fiscal responsibility, however, so this will remain a pipe dream.

470 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:01:24pm

re: #345 ArchangelMichael

If this is true and goes the direction I think it is, its the next step to her going Paulian which I fear is where she is headed.

Having a complete but unrealized ignorance in capitalism and globalization, and preaching moving backwards to having everyone work in factories again is a plank on the "Put us on the gold standard" platform.

Bad news, really bad news. Please say it is not so Sarah.

She is a paleo-con at heart; of that I have no doubt. But she's of the Pat Buchanan as opposed to Ron Paul variety. To the uninitiated there is little if any difference between the two, but if you dig a little deeper, you'd find out that the Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan form separate tributaries of the paleocon stream of thought. Where they unite in is isolationism and non-interventionism. But Ron Paul and his brand of weirdos are radically pro free-trade and anti-protectionism; they are also anarchists who are obsessed with, as I've been repeating ad nauseam and as Charles recently confirmed, Illuminati/New World Order/Freemason conspiracy theories. Their anti-Federal-Reservo/pro-Gold-Standard hot buttons are motivated by these lunatic conspiracies about bankers controlling the world. Anti-trade sentiment is not part of their craziness.

The Buchananites are anti-intervention not because they're anarchists, but rather because intervention, by the USA, has historically been waged on behalf of the good guys and against Nazis and authoritarians. Buchanan really is itching to say we should have never fought Hitler; we should have been allies with him. He maintains the same attitude toward the intervention against Serbia. He sympathizes with all the parties we have intervened against, hence his ostensible non-interventionist position. He doesn't care about the Gold Standard and is isolationist in an economic, protectionist sense, unlike the Paulians, because he is a tribalist who doesn't understand the basics of free market economics.

Murray Rothbard united these two streams of thought toward shared goals, but they are not interchangeable.

/Goodness, I know more about the Paelocons than is probably healthy.

471 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:01:31pm

re: #465 Jimmah

Nice bass on this version eh?

probably a newer cut with Darryl Jones...the Stones just love the guy...when he auditioned he knew every Bill Wyman lick and played them even better than Bill...classic lines with more flair...and Wyman was a really fine bassist

472 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:02:27pm

re: #468 unrealizedviewpoint

I know hate and I know bullshit. When you (and others) speak of Palin you speak from hate. That I believe.

My motivation and your belief don't matter in the end. Sarah will go on to be dumb another day.

473 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:02:28pm

re: #446 medaura18586

Sarah Palin clearly has got shit for brains.

And your brains are made of . . .? Let me guess. Something Sarah Palin had nothing to do with.

474 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:03:12pm

re: #464 experiencedtraveller

Anyone interested in tfk's reference to Sgt. Shriver can start here.

Thanks. I bookmarked that.

475 Buck  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:04:26pm

I can't live without google-ing... I now just Google using BING.

476 DaddyG  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:05:56pm

re: #475 Buck

I can't live without google-ing... I now just Google using BING.

Capitalist pig!

477 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:05:58pm

re: #462 eschew_obfuscation

Sorry you had to see that !

It's probably one reason I don't hunt (I would if I had to, of course).

I wish they could've shot it in the woods but, the cops who were tracking it from that end would not shoot toward the house--no matter how good their aim, they just wouldn't do it because shit can happen. And, the cops at this end would not go looking for it in the woods. I don't blame them at all.

478 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:07:23pm

re: #477 MandyManners

{Mandy}

479 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:09:02pm

re: #470 medaura18586

/Goodness, I know more about the Paelocons than is probably healthy.

/knowing anything about them is probably unhealthy!

Good points about the linkage, isolation and non-interventionism, and the separation. I never thought of that. Saved!

I have a lower opinion of Palin than you. I don't believe she can be categorised as part of any coherent school of thought, apart from the politics of self advancement, personal charisma, and populism. Also self pity. Let's not forget that last one, as it is a crucial component of her appeal to many. St Sarah the martyr.

Her final speech, given yesterday, sealed the deal. Yow.

480 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:09:27pm

re: #426 Jimmah

Anyone else getting crashes with firefox when you start typing in the 'Find' field (ctrl+f)?

Constantly. The only thing that works for me is to wait a moment after typing CTRL+F, then clicking in the search box before I start typing. If I type slowly it's usually okay. I never had this problem with Firefox 2 (I'm on 3.5).

481 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:09:41pm

re: #477 MandyManners

I wish they could've shot it in the woods but, the cops who were tracking it from that end would not shoot toward the house--no matter how good their aim, they just wouldn't do it because shit can happen. And, the cops at this end would not go looking for it in the woods. I don't blame them at all.

I'll bet he will be bragging about the Great Pig Hunt at school this fall...chin up

482 callahan23  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:09:47pm

re: #477 MandyManners

{MandyManners}

483 HippieforLife  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:09:54pm

re: #268 medaura18586

What brilliant insight! //

484 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:11:27pm

re: #350 Son of the Black Dog

I assume Sarah Palin never took International Econ.

But based on his statements and policies, I suspect Barack Obama didn't either.

Without his transcripts, we'll never know.

/mild sarc on the last line

I'm not talking about Obama here. I am talking about Sarah Palin. To each his own.

re: #360 Son of the Black Dog

OTOH, it appears that the whole Democrat Party thinks the economy is a zero-sum game.

Uh, yes,.. so why is Sarah Palin emulating them?

485 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:11:33pm

re: #483 HippieforLife

What brilliant insight! //

She doesn't hate Sarah Palin.
//

486 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:11:57pm

re: #384 Ward Cleaver

I have to say though that I'm very disappointed that Palin stepped down, and didn't stick it out for at least one term.

Yeah, I lost all my support for her there. Being governor and a national figure of mostly undeserved ridicule is hard, I'm sure. There's no shame in a woman staying home to raise her children, either, indeed, I think it's extremely important. But why anyone would choose her for a leader after this is beyond me; governing is obviously either beyond her or not important enough to do. (Well, other than a lesser of two incompetants scenario, which is not unlikely in 2012).

487 Red Pencil  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:13:11pm

re: #446 medaura18586

But because she's miss former beauty-queen runnerup in slutty flight attendant's wardrobe, people, especially of the straight male orientation, tend to overlook how stupid, insane, and embarrassing she is. Far from her gender hurting her chances due to any "misogyny" prevalent in this country, her gender and the way she carries it has been her only redeeming feature, allowing her to make it this far, when a man or old/ugly woman of the same intellectual caliber wouldn't have had a chance.

Not that I'm that impressed with Palin's intellectual calibre... but if Sarah was given a partial pass for unbright sayings on account of her femininity, then how do you explain the at least comparable success of such "stupid, insane and embarrassing" males, like Joe Biden, Barney Frank, Ron Paul, ok someone else can add to this list...

488 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:13:51pm

re: #486 nikis-knight

Yeah, I lost all my support for her there. Being governor and a national figure of mostly undeserved ridicule is hard, I'm sure. There's no shame in a woman staying home to raise her children, either, indeed, I think it's extremely important. But why anyone would choose her for a leader after this is beyond me; governing is obviously either beyond her or not important enough to do. (Well, other than a lesser of two incompetants scenario, which is not unlikely in 2012).

Even then. What's her slogan? Palin for 2012 and 1/2?

489 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:14:00pm

re: #480 doppelganglander

Constantly. The only thing that works for me is to wait a moment after typing CTRL+F, then clicking in the search box before I start typing. If I type slowly it's usually okay. I never had this problem with Firefox 2 (I'm on 3.5).

Yes...and sometimes, it seems to want you to wait forever for it. On a happier note, my modem just rebooted and came back on 5x faster. That doesn't happen every day. (Free upgrade from my ISP from 2mb to 10 mb - way to go!)

490 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:14:18pm

re: #486 nikis-knight

Yeah, I lost all my support for her there. Being governor and a national figure of mostly undeserved ridicule is hard, I'm sure. There's no shame in a woman staying home to raise her children, either, indeed, I think it's extremely important. But why anyone would choose her for a leader after this is beyond me; governing is obviously either beyond her or not important enough to do. (Well, other than a lesser of two incompetants scenario, which is not unlikely in 2012).

I mostly agree, but keep in mind her personal legal bills are now over $500,000. Alaska doesn't pay to defend all of the ethics suits that have been brought... that's all on her personally while governor. I couldn't support that kind of debt.

491 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:14:29pm

re: #446 medaura18586

I don't down ding, but I see you do. I don't down ding because 1) it's easy and 2) you would not know why I did. You down dinged my response to your spew rather than coming back with a rational response to support your spew.

And Jimmah, same to you.

492 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:14:48pm

who Sarah'd the thread?...is there anything new going on with St Sarah?
here's a poll...

A I hate Sarah
B I love Sarah


take your time

493 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:15:39pm

re: #480 doppelganglander

Constantly. The only thing that works for me is to wait a moment after typing CTRL+F, then clicking in the search box before I start typing. If I type slowly it's usually okay. I never had this problem with Firefox 2 (I'm on 3.5).

I have encountered this at work on FF3.x. The way that I tend to get around it is to highlight a word somewhere on the page, then hit CTRL+F. That places the word in the find field and prevents the lockup/delay.

I noticed that it is worse on long threads, and the problem only manifests with the first letter typed into the find box. It never happened when I used the above method or when I pasted a word into the box.

494 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:15:49pm

re: #489 Jimmah

Yes...and sometimes, it seems to want you to wait forever for it. On a happier note, my modem just rebooted and came back on 5x faster. That doesn't happen every day. (Free upgrade from my ISP from 2mb to 10 mb - way to go!)

That's great about your ISP. My other issue with Firefox is that it crashes at least once a day for no apparent reason. My husband thought it might be competing antivirus software packages, so he removed all but Norton. It helped some but I still experience more crashes than I should.

495 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:16:07pm

re: #479 iceweasel

/knowing anything about them is probably unhealthy!

Good points about the linkage, isolation and non-interventionism, and the separation. I never thought of that. Saved!

I have a lower opinion of Palin than you. I don't believe she can be categorised as part of any coherent school of thought, apart from the politics of self advancement, personal charisma, and populism. Also self pity. Let's not forget that last one, as it is a crucial component of her appeal to many. St Sarah the martyr.

Her final speech, given yesterday, sealed the deal. Yow.

I don't think she has any intellectual self-awareness either. Not like she's given any thought to these political alignments and chosen based on the dictates of her conscience. She is obviously incoherent, and picks up memes and logos from all directions, trying to merge them into some pastiche that will make her stand out. But if not intellectually, the alignment happens instinctively. She is a populist, as are almost all anti-intellectual politicians who are infatuated with a sense of their own charisma. So populist messages will appeal to her, and she'll be a good match for. Not that I believe she knows what the hell she is talking about at any given moment.

Most of her sentence lack basic grammar cogency.

496 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:16:19pm

re: #491 midwestgak

I don't down ding, but I see you do. I don't down ding because 1) it's easy and 2) you would not know why I did. You down dinged my response to your spew rather than coming back with a rational response to support your spew.

And Jimmah, same to you.

I pretty much never downdinged till I met them.

497 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:16:22pm

re: #493 CyanSnowHawk

I have encountered this at work on FF3.x. The way that I tend to get around it is to highlight a word somewhere on the page, then hit CTRL+F. That places the word in the find field and prevents the lockup/delay.

I noticed that it is worse on long threads, and the problem only manifests with the first letter typed into the find box. It never happened when I used the above method or when I pasted a word into the box.

Excellent. I'll follow your suggestion.

498 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:17:58pm

re: #414 Sharmuta

I support pay-go.

I've read this particular legislation has lots of loopholes; Dems can suspend it whenever they want, and it can be used as an excuse to raise taxes.

499 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:18:49pm

Barak Obama makes Sarah Palin seem like the smartest, most confident woman who ever lived imo

500 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:19:10pm

re: #488 iceweasel

Even then. What's her slogan? Palin for 2012 and 1/2?

"1/2 a president waste half your money?"

501 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:19:32pm

re: #487 Red Pencil

Not that I'm that impressed with Palin's intellectual calibre... but if Sarah was given a partial pass for unbright sayings on account of her femininity, then how do you explain the at least comparable success of such "stupid, insane and embarrassing" males, like Joe Biden, Barney Frank, Ron Paul, ok someone else can add to this list...

I don't think Ron Paul is stupid; I merely think he is insane. And he doesn't get a pass -- he is a laughing stock who will never achieve any position of power, no matter how much his lunacy may influence the GOP at their kooky margins.

Joe Biden doesn't get a pass either. For the record, I find him more intelligent than Sarah Palin, and that's saying something. But didn't even come close to the presidency, and it's common knowledge that Obama picked him as VP due to how harmless his imbecility renders him.

Who else now gets a pass? This woman is being hailed as the GOP front runner for 2012!

502 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:20:08pm

re: #499 albusteve

Barak Obama makes Sarah Palin seem like the smartest, most confident woman who ever lived imo

And if by some wacky chance Sarah gets the nod in '12, she gets my vote over Zero.

503 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:20:30pm

re: #490 eschew_obfuscation

I mostly agree, but keep in mind her personal legal bills are now over $500,000. Alaska doesn't pay to defend all of the ethics suits that have been brought... that's all on her personally while governor. I couldn't support that kind of debt.

The main portion of the cost was due to a suit Palin insisted on bringing. 2/3rds of the cost is due to the TrooperGate crap. That's a suit she brought.

And the cost isn't 500K. Not unless you add in the hours worked by all the state's lawyers--- and those are hours they were already being paid for.

504 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:20:53pm

re: #491 midwestgak

I don't down ding, but I see you do. I don't down ding because 1) it's easy and 2) you would not know why I did. You down dinged my response to your spew rather than coming back with a rational response to support your spew.

And Jimmah, same to you.

In all fairness the post of yours in question wasn't exactly spilling over with rationality was it? When someone makes what I see as an unfair, unreasoned jab like that I'm inclined to downding it.

PS I also upding. Get used to it.

505 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:22:33pm

re: #502 unrealizedviewpoint

And if by some wacky chance Sarah gets the nod in '12, she gets my vote over Zero.

some heavy duty derangement here boy...amature psychology, froth, and world class seething...I love it

506 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:22:50pm

re: #494 doppelganglander

That's great about your ISP. My other issue with Firefox is that it crashes at least once a day for no apparent reason. My husband thought it might be competing antivirus software packages, so he removed all but Norton. It helped some but I still experience more crashes than I should.

I am glad to see I'm not the only one having theis problem with firefox - I was beginning to wonder if I had some sort of malware on my machine. I think I'm going to try 'safari' - see how that goes.

507 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:23:51pm

nobody's mentioned the evil Flying Wolf Slaughter yet...

508 jvic  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:24:15pm

re: #492 albusteve

who Sarah'd the thread?...is there anything new going on with St Sarah?
here's a poll...

A I hate Sarah
B I love Sarah

take your time

Sarah has a long way to go before she deserves my love or my hate.

Right now she gets a tired, disappointed disdain.

509 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:24:48pm

re: #490 eschew_obfuscation

I mostly agree, but keep in mind her personal legal bills are now over $500,000. Alaska doesn't pay to defend all of the ethics suits that have been brought... that's all on her personally while governor. I couldn't support that kind of debt.

I hadn't known that. We need loser pays tort reform in this country.

510 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:26:17pm

re: #503 iceweasel

The main portion of the cost was due to a suit Palin insisted on bringing. 2/3rds of the cost is due to the TrooperGate crap. That's a suit she brought.

And the cost isn't 500K. Not unless you add in the hours worked by all the state's lawyers--- and those are hours they were already being paid for.

Looks like it might be higher than $500,000 ... that appears to have resulted from ethics complaints.

511 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:26:44pm

re: #495 medaura18586


Most of her sentences lack basic grammar cogency.

Not at all. What the philistine media refuse to recognise is that Palin is a visionary, a poet. Here is the gorgeous, perfervid vision of her Couric interview:

Behold the brilliance of On the Bailout

Ultimately,
What the bailout does
Is help those who are concerned
About the health care reform
That is needed
To help shore up our economy,
Helping the--
It's got to be all about job creation, too.

Shoring up our economy
And putting it back on the right track.
So health care reform
And reducing taxes
And reining in spending
Has got to accompany tax reductions
And tax relief for Americans.
And trade.

We've got to see trade
As opportunity
Not as a competitive, scary thing.
But one in five jobs
Being created in the trade sector today,
We've got to look at that
As more opportunity.
All those things.

512 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:27:24pm

re: #509 nikis-knight

I hadn't known that. We need loser pays tort reform in this country.

I'd buy that ;-)

513 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:28:01pm

re: #505 albusteve

some heavy duty derangement here boy...amature psychology, froth, and world class seething...I love it

If this weren't a dead thread I'd nominate that comment for rotating title. Excellent!

514 jaunte  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:28:54pm

Luckily you can be dumb enough to have been in the klan, or connected enough to swim away from a manslaughter beef, and still be a powerful and respected congressman.

515 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:32:02pm
516 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:33:34pm

re: #511 iceweasel

That's all you libs got to hold your position with regard to Palin together, one bad interview, one bad day. We all have bad days sometimes, but only she was edited...

517 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:34:17pm

re: #161 American Sabra

Last night a few of us had a conversation about the demonization of "the other side". The thing is that we all do it, right and left. Silly as it is because there are certainly REAL reasons/issues we can point to and say this is a little kooky. The nirthers are one and the code pinkers are another.

The difference, however, is that Code Pink does NOT make up the majority of Democrats. You can call liberals commies all day long, but that doesn't make it so. That, btw, is demonizing the other side. And you're not happy when the Left does it to you.

I switched to Independent quite awhile ago thinking I might want to become Republican, but I'll be going back to the Dems. I'm not comfy as an Independent. And I'd die before joining this backward party.

The only reason I originally started reading LGF is because I'm a Zionist.

Of course, backwardness is relative.

You said that the three things most important to you were Family, Health and Job. Your top three political priorities were Israel/Zionism, Women's Rights issues, and a lukewarm hankering for immigration reform.

I posed three questions to you. Have you had any interesting thoughts along those lines?

I do believe that you are a conservative, you see.

Nevermind the fact that most of your (stated) personal and political concerns are so much dust in the wind given enough of the current administration. That's the low-hanging fruit in this argument, and the backwardness of the Democrats at any rate. The pattern behind your priorities is what is more informative, as it is for limited scope, observable, achievable (or huggable) things.

Your incipient conservatism will grow from your constrained vision.

I think that the reason you are uncomfortable with the left is their pie-in-the-sky rhetoric, with you being one of those who looks at a man's cheap shoes when he directs our gaze to the heavens. I also think that you are incredibly conflicted about shifting sides (or recognizing an ongoing shift which you may not fully logically control), and are somewhat motivated to provoke a response. Fair enough--a ship making no progress also induces no drag.

And what better time to have an impact on a party that is in SERIOUS trouble, than when it is in serious trouble? Look at all of Charles' hard work at exposing the shambling, rotting horrors in our midst. No brains and all "BRAINSSS!"

The Republican Party is composed of three segments--the fiscal responsibility/small government segment, the strong military/muscular foreign policy segment, and the traditional morès/religious right segment. There's a lot of overlap and more than a little conflict between these segments. Make of it what you will. You could say that the party is in a "teachable moment".

It's okay--we'll be here whenever you arrive.

518 Jimmah  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:37:31pm

Dinner time here. BBL

519 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:37:33pm
520 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:37:59pm
521 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:39:55pm

re: #520 midwestgak

I don't think we do that here.

522 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:40:18pm

re: #446 medaura18586

...her gender and the way she carries it has been her only redeeming feature, allowing her to make it this far, when a man or old/ugly woman of the same intellectual caliber wouldn't have had a chance.

You are therefore prepared to state that every man of any age, and old or "radio-looks" woman has been more intelligent and well-spoken than Sarah Palin?

Interesting. I suppose that the old-boy cabal in Alaska decided to surrender because she is attractive? Or is it that a whopping majority of Alaskans are blinded by lust, men and women alike?

Just say you don't like her and be done with it, but don't claim to be the one person in the world who sees clearly what the rest of us have all missed.

523 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:41:04pm
524 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:42:55pm

re: #521 unrealizedviewpoint

I don't think we do that here.

Okay. Thanks.

525 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:43:06pm

re: #520 midwestgak

What was that for?

526 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:44:49pm

re: #495 medaura18586

I don't think she has any intellectual self-awareness either. Not like she's given any thought to these political alignments and chosen based on the dictates of her conscience. She is obviously incoherent, and picks up memes and logos from all directions, trying to merge them into some pastiche that will make her stand out. But if not intellectually, the alignment happens instinctively. She is a populist, as are almost all anti-intellectual politicians who are infatuated with a sense of their own charisma. So populist messages will appeal to her, and she'll be a good match for. Not that I believe she knows what the hell she is talking about at any given moment.

Most of her sentence lack basic grammar cogency.

You're kidding, right? You're flipping kidding.

527 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:45:33pm

re: #525 Sharmuta

What was that for?

Dunno. Won't happen again.

528 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:46:31pm

Reported it, just to draw attention. It's out of bounds, and will likely be round-filed soon.

529 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:48:48pm

re: #526 haakondahl

You're kidding, right? You're flipping kidding.

hell no...they are dead serious

530 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:49:42pm

re: #529 albusteve

hell no...they are dead serious

What-Ev-Urrr.

531 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:50:15pm

Cato and Medaura...

Great comments about Palin. Thank you .

532 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:50:17pm

re: #522 haakondahl

You are therefore prepared to state that every man of any age, and old or "radio-looks" woman has been more intelligent and well-spoken than Sarah Palin?

I did not say that at all. If my straightforward arguments are challenging your reading comprehension skills, you may want to stay out of the fray. What I did say is that any man or ugly/old woman with Sarah Palin's brains would have never had a chance in national, possibly not even regional, politics.

Interesting. I suppose that the old-boy cabal in Alaska decided to surrender because she is attractive? Or is it that a whopping majority of Alaskans are blinded by lust, men and women alike?

No, I did not say that either. "The old-boy cabal" is a media invention fabricated to make Sarah Palin sound like a revolutionary hero fighting the good fight. I don't see any empirical grounding of it in reality. Men and women have different reasons for giving special, favorable treatment to Sarah Palin. With many women it's about gender/identity politics. She has even exploited another niche market in identity politics: redneck and rural America. "Oh, she says doggone it and goshdarn it, and she's a soccer mom. She's one of us."

re: #526 haakondahl

You're kidding, right? You're flipping kidding.

No I am not... Please be advised that there is a difference between sentence cogency and simple typos. I am an editor by profession and know the rules of English grammar and syntax better than most native English speakers. That doesn't insulate me from random typos as I multitask while posting the occasional comment on LGF.

533 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:52:03pm

re: #530 haakondahl

What-Ev-Urrr.

really the best Palin bash fest I've ever followed...we get to see the inner workings of her rabid, demented mind...fascinating

534 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:52:04pm

re: #527 midwestgak

Dunno. Won't happen again.

Why please, help yourself. I don't hide my identity and you wouldn't have needed scouring the web for it. I link my blog and my real name right on my nic.

535 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:52:13pm

Hey, thanks for the down-ding, Medaura18586! I have left many, many comments, and I encourage you to go down-ding every single one of them. You'll feel better, and I won't have to wade through your sentence which have no grammar cogency.

536 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:53:08pm

re: #529 albusteve

hell no...they are dead serious

It started with hate.
The hate for her for Pro-Life position.
All of it created around that hate.
Powerful thing hate is.

537 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:53:43pm

re: #536 unrealizedviewpoint

The hate for her Pro-Life position.

/pimf

538 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:54:32pm

re: #536 unrealizedviewpoint

It started with hate.
The hate for her for Pro-Life position.
All of it created around that hate.
Powerful thing hate is.

just think if liberals thought she had stolen her election!...yowza!

539 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:56:51pm

re: #534 medaura18586

Why please, help yourself. I don't hide my identity and you wouldn't have needed scouring the web for it. I link my blog and my real name right on my nic.

I made a gross error in linking your site. I apologize to LGF. Not to you.

540 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:56:52pm

re: #378 Charles

Just a note -- I didn't write that tag. I've seen it around in various places, but it didn't come from me. I don't disagree with it, but I want to clarify that.

Sorry... actually I didn't mean to leave and I can't stay too long now. I'll try to get back later on tonight if I can.

I had no idea you didn't write it. It comes up when you google LGF which I sometimes do to get here. Well I like it a lot. I read Right and Left blogs and I think there are far more similarities at our core than differences.

541 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:57:57pm

re: #540 American Sabra

Sorry... actually I didn't mean to leave and I can't stay too long now. I'll try to get back later on tonight if I can.

I had no idea you didn't write it. It comes up when you google LGF which I sometimes do to get here. Well I like it a lot. I read Right and Left blogs and I think there are far more similarities at our core than differences.

Trust me.
Google does it their way and there's not much you (or I) can do about it.

542 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:57:59pm

re: #539 midwestgak

I made a gross error in linking your site. I apologize to LGF. Not to you.

isn't that why the links are posted behind the avatar?

543 [deleted]  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:58:03pm
544 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:59:09pm

re: #532 medaura18586

I am reminded of a passage in Gorky Park, in which Renko feels that he is being simultaneously lectured to and ignored by Jack Osborne.

Although I did mean in my first paragraph to restrict that grouping further to elected officials, not everybody in the world. My mistake.

Congratulations on your mastery of English. It must come in handy somewhere, if not here.

545 CynicalConservative  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:59:10pm

re: #543 taxfreekiller

ps

thanks to 1sgt,
and
cynical /conservative, Daffy Duck, Doppelgangler, Hippieforlife, o ronpan, Pink Freud, Pvt. Benjammin, Schemity, Shug, Snowcrash, son of a black dog, and Ward Clerver,

and any others

Most welcome sir. Keep up the good (and entertaining) work.

546 J.D.  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:59:33pm

re: #326 subsailor68

Okay J.D. you asked for it. Don't blame me if ya get hooked!!

;-)

Anagram Site

I just got back and I haven't even looked at it yet.

/practicing delayed gratification

547 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 1:59:50pm

re: #535 haakondahl

You are welcome, but if you think I got the time or even the remote interest to play a ding-game with you, then you must be overestimating your ability to get under my skin. Irrational apologists of Palin are a dime a dozen. I've seen it all and it doesn't affect me in the least. It's merely an interesting window into the human psyche.

548 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:01:17pm

re: #544 haakondahl

Congratulations on your mastery of English. It must come in handy somewhere, if not here.

Thank you. I have worked very hard to achieve it. And it doesn't hurt in any environment, not even here.

549 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:02:20pm

re: #547 medaura18586

You are welcome, but if you think I got the time or even the remote interest to play a ding-game with you, then you must be overestimating your ability to get under my skin. Irrational apologists of Palin are a dime a dozen. I've seen it all and it doesn't affect me in the least. It's merely an interesting window into the human psyche.

wow...I'm in the midst of giants!

550 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:02:45pm

re: #365 KingKenrod

Very disappointing opinion from Palin. Very backwards. It's the same side of the pro-union, protectionist, lets-start-a-trade-war branch of the Democrat party.

Yes, a true moronic convergence.

551 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:03:29pm

re: #549 albusteve

wow...I'm in the midst of giants!

She's seen it all at 23 years old. 'mazing woman.

552 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:04:38pm

re: #366 Jimmah

I've been getting the impression for a while that there's an anti-globalisation meme out there in the rightosphere, picking up support, building bridges to the paleocons and the NWO paranoia freaks.

That meme has been floating around since at least the turn of the 20th century, possibly earlier, under various incarnations. Economic recessions rekindle its vigor.

553 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:04:50pm

re: #528 haakondahl

Reported it, just to draw attention. It's out of bounds, and will likely be round-filed soon.

Was it my stupid post that you reported?

554 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:05:28pm

re: #547 medaura18586

You are welcome, but if you think I got the time or even the remote interest to play a ding-game with you, then you must be overestimating your ability to get under my skin.

You can't even recognize sarcasm when stuck right up in your face. Wow!

555 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:05:43pm

re: #551 unrealizedviewpoint

She's seen it all at 23 years old. 'mazing woman.

I saw something once, but I'm not gonna brag about it...I got me some catchin up to do!

556 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:06:15pm

re: #547 medaura18586

You are welcome, but if you think I got the time or even the remote interest to play a ding-game with you, then you must be overestimating your ability to get under my skin. Irrational apologists of Palin are a dime a dozen. I've seen it all and it doesn't affect me in the least. It's merely an interesting window into the human psyche.

So you come here to study us, do you? Have I apologized for Palin? And how much do you think irrational antagonists of Palin are going for these days? Supply seems to be outstripping demand.

You've seen it all. One wonders howmuch that really is, then.

By the way:

"...have...."
"...if you think I have the time..."

557 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:06:50pm

re: #551 unrealizedviewpoint

She's seen it all at 23 years old. 'mazing woman.

I have seen it all when it comes to irrational Palin identification, cult personality, and apologetics. Her national campaign began last year; anyone who was born and conscious by then with eyes to see, ears to hear, and a brain in his/her skull, could see it all.

But don't let that stop you from twisting my words.

558 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:07:06pm

re: #393 1SG(ret)

American Sabra

tfk is onboard, you can address your concerns with him in person...not behind his back

You up for it?

How in the world can I be saying anything "behind his back" when this is a public board. You think that I think he can't read it?

I said what I want to say. I'm not going to change anybody's spots.

559 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:08:24pm

re: #557 medaura18586

I have seen it all when it comes to irrational Palin identification, cult personality, and apologetics. Her national campaign began last year; anyone who was born and conscious by then with eyes to see, ears to hear, and a brain in his/her skull, could see it all.

But don't let that stop you from twisting my words.

just think of the new horizons you can achieve in Cult Personality Sciences with BO for a POTUS?...lucky you

560 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:09:14pm

re: #559 albusteve

Upding.

561 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:11:38pm

I don't know alot about Apologenetics...I'm sorry

562 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:11:58pm

re: #539 midwestgak

I made a gross error in linking your site. I apologize to LGF. Not to you.

I reported it because it's a bad precedent, but in this case, it seems to have revealed nothing which isn't freely given anyway. Which is a relief. My goal in reporting is just to get it taken down, not to make trouble. Don't want no trouble!

563 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:12:57pm

re: #562 haakondahl

I reported it because it's a bad precedent, but in this case, it seems to have revealed nothing which isn't freely given anyway. Which is a relief. My goal in reporting is just to get it taken down, not to make trouble. Don't want no trouble!

apologenize!

564 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:13:59pm

re: #562 haakondahl

Me neither. Will I be banned because of my ignorant action?

565 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:14:56pm

re: #564 midwestgak

Me neither. Will I be banned because of my ignorant action?

try a pre-emptive beg

566 altermite  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:15:05pm

I looked up myself under the various usernames I've used on the internet, and was relieved to find none of them had any identification. I also submitted fake info for my primary one, which isn't this.

567 jvic  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:16:27pm

re: #532 medaura18586

Here is, apparently, the Palin people's version of her farewell speech. Here is a political opponent's transcription. Here is video.

I've drawn my conclusions.

(Afaic her 2008 convention speech was a barnburner, but presumably it was written for her by the McCain people.)

568 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:19:32pm

re: #557 medaura18586

I have seen it all when it comes to irrational Palin identification, cult personality, and apologetics. Her national campaign began last year; anyone who was born and conscious by then with eyes to see, ears to hear, and a brain in his/her skull, could see it all.

But don't let that stop you from twisting my words.

You're an editor and all you can come up with is "his/her"? I've seen bathroom walls with better writing.

Once we get you away from Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky, though, you'll be all right. You're still salvageable. Wrinkled skin and shortness of breath will claim you as well into the wispy folds of conservatism.

569 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:20:19pm

re: #444 HippieforLife

re: #161 American Sabra


So, you say that the dems are not ALL represented by Code Pink. That is true.
But, because some reps are "nirthers" you have tarred the entire party as "backward".
In what warped reality were you planning on joining the Republican party? I find that pretty hard to believe.

Years ago, probably before the election or the picking of candidates I became very disenfranchised with the Democratic party and I considered switching teams. Instead, I registered as Independent more as a protest to the Left than any real affirmation of anything (which is probably pretty dumb... who am I hurting?). I started seeing the Right differently than I had before. I realized that both sides want the same things. Good education for the kids, low taxes, good (or simply existent) job opportunities, affordable housing, on and on. We're not so different. But we are definitely different about some specific things. Abortion, evolution, off the top of my head, the two biggies, there are other issues that I really would not feel comfortable as a Republican. To me, the Right viewpoint on some key issues represents backward thinking.

570 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:20:29pm

is the bash fest over?...that was fun, thanks...

in the real world, it looks like the Israelis are calling out BO...wonder how the Potus apologists will handle this one...
[Link: www.wnd.com...]

571 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:20:48pm

re: #567 jvic

Politicians have not been writing their own speeches since possibly Abe Lincoln's days. So I really make nothing, semantically, of speeches. She's just reading off a teleprompter what someone else has written for her.

572 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:21:16pm

re: #564 midwestgak

Me neither. Will I be banned because of my ignorant action?

Absolutely not! You'll be fine. Think of the example of Ensign Nimitz, who ran a ship aground and thought he was to be cashiered. "Hell no, Nimitz! I just spent a million dollars to educate you about sandbars, and now, By God, you'll earn it!"

573 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:21:48pm

re: #570 albusteve

World Nut Daily!...oh well

574 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:21:49pm

re: #557 medaura18586

I have seen it all when it comes to irrational Palin identification, cult personality, and apologetics. Her national campaign began last year; anyone who was born and conscious by then with eyes to see, ears to hear, and a brain in his/her skull, could see it all.

But don't let that stop you from twisting my words.

Anyone who would spend the time and energy attacking Sarah Palin as you have needs assistance. If you've read my words you know I'm no fan of Palin. I could care less about her. You though care. You are fixated on Sarah to the point of it being your obsession. Help is available.

575 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:24:13pm

re: #574 unrealizedviewpoint

Anyone who would spend the time and energy attacking Sarah Palin as you have needs assistance. If you've read my words you know I'm no fan of Palin. I could care less about her. You though care. You are fixated on Sarah to the point of it being your obsession. Help is available.

they do not see it that way...they see invaluable, keen insights into the mind of a lunatic and if we just listen they will save us from her...hahaha!...Palin's on a rampage!

576 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:24:28pm

re: #574 unrealizedviewpoint

Freud would have a field trip on your case of projection.

577 kynna  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:25:02pm

re: #574 unrealizedviewpoint

Anyone who would spend the time and energy attacking Sarah Palin as you have needs assistance. If you've read my words you know I'm no fan of Palin. I could care less about her. You though care. You are fixated on Sarah to the point of it being your obsession. Help is available.

You know what the Palin haters on this thread are reminding me of? Yep. Nirthers. I doubt Charles was planning for it to play out that way, but read the posts. The spittle is coating their keyboards. o_O

Palin Derangement Syndrome indeed.

578 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:26:02pm

re: #571 medaura18586

Politicians have not been writing their own speeches since possibly Abe Lincoln's days. So I really make nothing, semantically, of speeches. She's just reading off a teleprompter what someone else has written for her.

I suppose that both sides are susceptible to projection. Do we yet know, come to think of it, who wrote JFK's speeches?

579 kynna  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:26:29pm

re: #576 medaura18586

Freud would have a field trip on your case of projection.

*snort*

Intellectual giant, I think you mean Field Day. A Field Trip is when you go to the Natural History Museum with the rest of your classmates. Or inmates. Whatever.

580 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:27:36pm

re: #573 albusteve

World Nut Daily!...oh well

Glad you said it first.

581 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:27:59pm

re: #579 kynna

*snort*

Intellectual giant, I think you mean Field Day. A Field Trip is when you go to the Natural History Museum with the rest of your classmates. Or inmates. Whatever.

You had me clapping like trained seal grinning ear to ear.

582 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:28:13pm

re: #579 kynna

Touche! You really got me! I'm devastated.

583 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:28:16pm

Sabra should be arriving about now.

584 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:28:16pm

re: #579 kynna

*snort*

Intellectual giant, I think you mean Field Day. A Field Trip is when you go to the Natural History Museum with the rest of your classmates. Or inmates. Whatever.

Good one!

585 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:28:35pm

re: #576 medaura18586

Freud would have a field trip on your case of projection.

at first I thought you were joking, but now I realize you are totally clueless as to how you sound...poring over my Spinblab of the Week award, you have made the short list...all of your fluff and flowery tripe is not lost on anybody...talk about projection...strip away all the crapola and you sound utterly ridiculous, but it's best served when you have an ally, who appears to have abandon you...rave on, I dig it

586 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:29:26pm

re: #517 haakondahl

Come back later please. I have to jet until probably late this evening, but I'll respond.

And thank you, always, for keeping such a level head about things. I always enjoy speaking to you and reading your posts.

587 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:29:45pm

re: #580 haakondahl

Glad you said it first.

still it's worth a look...THERE ARE PICTURES!

588 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:30:26pm

re: #578 haakondahl

I suppose that both sides are susceptible to projection. Do we yet know, come to think of it, who wrote JFK's speeches?

I don't know about that. But you sure do suppose a lot of things. Runaway presumptions abound on your side of the aisle. You seem to be assuming I'm a liberal or a Democrat or a partisan of any stripe.

589 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:30:51pm

re: #579 kynna

*snort*

Intellectual giant, I think you mean Field Day. A Field Trip is when you go to the Natural History Museum with the rest of your classmates. Or inmates. Whatever.


Good trip, bad trip, field trip, whatever.

Psssht. >Here!<

590 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:31:07pm

re: #586 American Sabra

Come back later please. I have to jet until probably late this evening, but I'll respond.

And thank you, always, for keeping such a level head about things. I always enjoy speaking to you and reading your posts.

we call him Haak the Levelheaded

591 jvic  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:31:41pm

re: #571 medaura18586

Politicians have not been writing their own speeches since possibly Abe Lincoln's days. So I really make nothing, semantically, of speeches. She's just reading off a teleprompter what someone else has written for her.

???

re: #578 haakondahl

I suppose that both sides are susceptible to projection. Do we yet know, come to think of it, who wrote JFK's speeches?

Iirc it was Ted Sorensen, who iirc also ghosted Profiles in Courage.

592 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:33:45pm

re: #588 medaura18586

I don't know about that. But you sure do suppose a lot of things. Runaway presumptions abound on your side of the aisle. You seem to be assuming I'm a liberal or a Democrat or a partisan of any stripe.

You just a mean spirited, aren't you?
Oh, and it's apparent you are a liberal. Who the hell do you think you're lying to?

593 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:35:48pm

re: #592 unrealizedviewpoint

I edited out some words that weren't appropriate and screwed up my question.
It should have read: You just mean spirited, aren't you?

594 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:35:51pm

re: #590 albusteve

we call him Haak the Levelheaded

Ever since that rope snapped on Acme Piano Moving Company one day.

595 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:36:25pm

re: #591 jvic

Iirc it was Ted Sorensen, who iirc also ghosted Profiles in Courage.

now there's a guy that could make pizza pie oughta horseshit...Camelot!...BEHOLD!

596 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:36:59pm

re: #594 haakondahl

Ever since that rope snapped on Acme Piano Moving Company one day.

nyuck nyuck!

597 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:38:24pm

re: #588 medaura18586

I don't know about that. But you sure do suppose a lot of things. Runaway presumptions abound on your side of the aisle. You seem to be assuming I'm a liberal or a Democrat or a partisan of any stripe.

pot meet kettle

598 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:38:24pm

I picked up a bunch of Russian popular music, shovelled it into iTunes, and there's one song, My Vlyublennye, which is apparently pronounced "Will you blow me, yeah?"

599 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:39:17pm

re: #596 albusteve

nyuck nyuck!

[POKK!]

600 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:41:57pm

Anyway, I gotta stop it. You're making me giggle at work. Obsessing over the way I am resolving gender ambiguity in my sentences (would the use of "he or she" be preferable to the slash? -- we have to maintain the aesthetic standard of sentence structures in this discussion on par with that of bathroom walls), obscure (and, by the way, unfounded) insistence on using "have" instead of "got," gloating over field trip vs. field day slips of tongue... you have no conception of the way you sound, but do keep at it. Splice my sentences on spellcheck... Anything that helps you circumvent my arguments. Go for it.

601 Athos  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:42:55pm

re: #588 medaura18586

You seem to be assuming I'm a liberal or a Democrat or a partisan of any stripe.

This denial is remarkably similar to other denials I've heard from editors and publishers in the newpaper industry - despite their enrapture with progressives, history of donating and voting for the left, and haughty indignation when confronted by those from outside the echo chamber they usually inhabit - they continue to insist others ignore their actions and statements as they are not biased at all compared to their friends and co-workers. Everyone 'smart' thinks like they do.

602 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:43:01pm

I have thrown out several engageable points, several silly ones, and several petty ones--Medaura18586 typically engages on the petty ones.

603 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:43:09pm

re: #600 medaura18586

Anyway, I gotta stop it. You're making me giggle at work. Obsessing over the way I am resolving gender ambiguity in my sentences (would the use of "he or she" be preferable to the slash? -- we have to maintain the aesthetic standard of sentence structures in this discussion on par with that of bathroom walls), obscure (and, by the way, unfounded) insistence on using "have" instead of "got," gloating over field trip vs. field day slips of tongue... you have no conception of the way you sound, but do keep at it. Splice my sentences on spellcheck... Anything that helps you circumvent my arguments. Go for it.

I miss you already...thanks for the laughs

604 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:44:11pm

I'm laughing ... pretty ... hard ... here...

605 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:44:30pm

re: #602 haakondahl

I have thrown out several engageable points, several silly ones, and several petty ones--Medaura18586 typically engages on the petty ones.

petty is as petty does, Richard

606 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:44:57pm

re: #604 medaura18586

I'm laughing ... pretty ... hard ... here...

mirrors are fun that way

607 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:45:40pm

re: #604 medaura18586

I'm laughing ... pretty ... hard ... here...

You really are just a little kid. Bye.

608 Salamantis  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:49:12pm

re: #592 unrealizedviewpoint

You just a mean spirited, aren't you?
Oh, and it's apparent you are a liberal. Who the hell do you think you're lying to?

And what the fuck exactly is wrong with being a classical John Stuart Millian liberal, may I ask? A helluva lot less than being a theocratic neanderthal socon, I'll wager.

When you say liberal, you mean communist/socialist leftist, but they're not the same thing - not even close. The very word 'liberal' has as its root the word 'liberty' (which is why libertarians have also appropriated a derivation), and they're all about maximizing personal freedoms; leftists, otoh, have yet to meet a totalitarianism or a theocracy in which they are not enthralled, provided that it is anti-american. And socons wish to institute their own fucking version of sharia and force everybody to make the moral choices that they prefer.

Likewise, a Edmund Burkean classical conservative has nothing whatsoever to do with being fascist right. For either liberals or conservatives to consider themselves to be either communist leftists or fascist rightists is to misconstrue, betray and damage their own movements; for either side to address the other by such epithets is to commit a lying slander.

609 midwestgak  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:49:14pm

re: #571 medaura18586

Politicians have not been writing their own speeches since possibly Abe Lincoln's days. So I really make nothing, semantically, of speeches. She's just reading off a teleprompter what someone else has written for her.

Reagan read poetry. Used it in one of the most touching speeches he gave. Columbia explosion.
The poem was written by John Gillespie Magee, Jr
High Flight
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I’ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
of sun-split clouds, — and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of—wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov’ring there,
I’ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air...
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I’ve topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark nor even eagle flew—
And, while with silent lifting mind I’ve trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

I have read the book "Dear Americans" by Ralph E Weber who compiled Reagan's constant letter writing.

You say, "Politicians have not been writing their own speeches since possibly Abe Lincoln's days." Who ever told you that is as ignorant of history as you are.

610 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:53:56pm

re: #600 medaura18586

The only argument you've put forth is that only Palin's boobs got her the job, nay, the application for the job, and offer as proof, the claim that a man, or woman of lesser calibre brassiere, yet similar brains would have been laughed out of the room.

Since she's certainly one of the most attractive women to become well-known in politics in recent times, it should be safe to re-state your argument such that every man and not-so-attractive woman who has run for or gained office in recent history is or was smarter, smoother, or in some other way better than Sarah Palin.

She therefore represents the absolute floor, the saddest of all successful politicians. The Double D minor.

This is your argument. The rest has been sniping. Pretty weak.

611 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:54:27pm

re: #608 Salamantis

And what the fuck exactly is wrong with being a classical John Stuart Millian liberal, may I ask? A helluva lot less than being a theocratic neanderthal socon, I'll wager.

When you say liberal, you mean communist/socialist leftist, but they're not the same thing - not even close. The very word 'liberal' has as its root the word 'liberty' (which is why libertarians have also appropriated a derivation), and they're all about maximizing personal freedoms; leftists, otoh, have yet to meet a totalitarianism or a theocracy in which they are not enthralled, provided that it is anti-american. And socons wish to institute their own fucking version of sharia and force everybody to make the moral choices that they prefer.

Likewise, a Edmund Burkean classical conservative has nothing whatsoever to do with being fascist right. For either liberals or conservatives to consider themselves to be either communist leftists or fascist rightists is to misconstrue, betray and damage their own movements; for either side to address the other by such epithets is to commit a lying slander.

donk works for me, if liberal upsets people...nice rant, but I don't care...what exactly is BO by political definition?

612 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:55:41pm

re: #601 Athos

Thank you for your enlightening into the mechanisms of liberal-bias self-denial abundant in the publishing industry. I'm learning a lot today.

Don't, by any means, bother to inquire the name, mission, or political alignment of the publication I happen to work for. How germane to the applicability of your screed could such a trifle detail possibly be?

Don't even think of checking my comments' archive or the political positions outlined on my about-me page.

Bulls eye! You got me! How will I manage to hide my leftist bias now that you exposed me? Because anyone who doesn't think Sarah Palin is the best thing since sliced bread betrays their inner crypto-Leftist.

613 kynna  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:56:13pm

You know, regarding the video, I do with Palin had answered that bombing any facility is a kind of terrorism. But I think she comprehended (and if you listen to Williams's acrobatically worded question you'll probably get it too) that he was trying to detour the subject from Barack Obama's friend's history and support of domestic terrorism, to something more vague and unspecific. The point of calling Obama out on Ayers was Ayers and his admitted goal of bringing down the country. Williams is trying to obfuscate that point and he succeeded.

But she definitely could have called them both terrorism and it would probably have helped her get back to the subject of Ayers's goals and his relationship with Obama.

BTW -- I think it's pretty clear that Palin doesn't endorse bombings of abortion clinics. I'd be interested to to hear her take on that exchange in a non-hostile interview.

BTW2 -- PJTV has a really good Bill Whittle rant about Palin hate today. He cracks me up. XD

Gotta go, laters.

614 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:57:01pm

re: #612 medaura18586

There's a word missing in my first sentence!!!

/ heads explode...

615 Salamantis  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:58:25pm

The Secret of Palin's Staying Power
Why sex appeal matters in politics
Steve Chapman
[Link: www.reason.com...]

Palin is Not the Answer
Why the former Alaska governor will spell doom for conservatives
Cathy Young
[Link: www.reason.com...]

616 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:59:40pm

re: #608 Salamantis`

Christ, the name-dropper is back, and this time, he's brought his thesaurus. No wonder you're busting out of the gate all mad--you and Medaura18586 are peas in a pod.

I'm glad to see that you have no objection to classical Richard Bruce Cheneyian F-bombing as appropriate.

617 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 2:59:43pm

BO...a Marx/Alinskyite, quasi Euro socialist, left of center neoprogressive...got it

618 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:02:09pm

re: #615 Salamantis

The Secret of Palin's Staying Power
Why sex appeal matters in politics
Steve Chapman
[Link: www.reason.com...]

Palin is Not the Answer
Why the former Alaska governor will spell doom for conservatives
Cathy Young
[Link: www.reason.com...]

Got your Reason on. Perhaps you could also bring us some links from American Skeptic, Mental Floss, and Mensa?

619 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:04:34pm

re: #618 haakondahl

Got your Reason on. Perhaps you could also bring us some links from American Skeptic, Mental Floss, and Mensa?

"Facts are facts. They don't get cooties on them because of where they come from." --Charles, 2009

620 Salamantis  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:04:35pm

re: #616 haakondahl

`

Christ, the name-dropper is back, and this time, he's brought his thesaurus. No wonder you're busting out of the gate all mad--you and Medaura18586 are peas in a pod.

I'm glad to see that you have no objection to classical Richard Bruce Cheneyian F-bombing as appropriate.

I suppose actually knowing the classical roots of the political parties, the people who originated their defining stances, and the vocabulary with which to precisely and concisely convey these things is a definite minus in your book. It renders me one of those pointy heads that another anti-intellectual populist, George C. Wallace, derided so much.

As for my salty language, I'm ex-USN. Deal with it.

621 jvic  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:04:57pm

re: #595 albusteve

now there's a guy that could make pizza pie oughta horseshit...Camelot!...BEHOLD!

Agreed.

Even so, speeches like the JFK Inaugural or 'Thousand Points of Light' have material that transcends the flaws of the people who write and deliver them.

622 Salamantis  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:05:46pm

re: #618 haakondahl

Got your Reason on. Perhaps you could also bring us some links from American Skeptic, Mental Floss, and Mensa?

So you ridicule the leading US libertarian publication. Does that mean that you are authoritarian?

623 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:07:53pm

re: #615 Salamantis

The Secret of Palin's Staying Power
Why sex appeal matters in politics
Steve Chapman
[Link: www.reason.com...]

Palin is Not the Answer
Why the former Alaska governor will spell doom for conservatives
Cathy Young
[Link: www.reason.com...]

I for one am not a Palin fan...I simply find it interesting that people from both sides are obsessed with her rise or her failures...especially those opposite from conservatives who seem to have this addiction toward her downfall...I don't link to Palin and I could care less about your links...it's the ambitious, robust attacks on her that is the point of my interest...she is one person who speaks for her admirers...otherwise who the fuck cares?...why do you?

624 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:09:22pm

re: #621 jvic

Agreed.

Even so, speeches like the JFK Inaugural or 'Thousand Points of Light' have material that transcends the flaws of the people who write and deliver them.

yes agreed, very good stuff and a part of the fabric of the American political experience now

625 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:10:06pm

re: #620 Salamantis

I suppose actually knowing the classical roots of the political parties, the people who originated their defining stances, and the vocabulary with which to precisely and concisely convey these things is a definite minus in your book. It renders me one of those pointy heads that another anti-intellectual populist, George C. Wallace, derided so much.

As for my salty language, I'm ex-USN. Deal with it.

so what vocabulary do you suggest we use to define BO?

626 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:10:14pm

re: #623 albusteve

I for one am not a Palin fan...I simply find it interesting that people from both sides are obsessed with her rise or her failures...especially those opposite from conservatives who seem to have this addiction toward her downfall...I don't link to Palin and I could care less about your links...it's the ambitious, robust attacks on her that is the point of my interest...she is one person who speaks for her admirers...otherwise who the fuck cares?...why do you?

Steve: Do you see, among conservatives, an addiction toward the downfall of President Barack Obama? Why, or why not?

627 Salamantis  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:13:15pm

re: #623 albusteve

I for one am not a Palin fan...I simply find it interesting that people from both sides are obsessed with her rise or her failures...especially those opposite from conservatives who seem to have this addiction toward her downfall...I don't link to Palin and I could care less about your links...it's the ambitious, robust attacks on her that is the point of my interest...she is one person who speaks for her admirers...otherwise who the fuck cares?...why do you?

For the same reason I care about the rise or fall of Bobby Jindal; because either of them on a GOP Presidential ticket in '12 (or the worst of all worlds, BOTH of them) would ensure eight years of Obama, rather than four.

628 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:13:16pm

re: #626 ShanghaiEd

Steve: Do you see, among conservatives, an addiction toward the downfall of President Barack Obama? Why, or why not?

BO is poison...his policies are doomed to fail...you know the routine and don't try to convince me that criticizing him is unfounded or deranged...it's not...unless of course you support his policies

629 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:13:39pm

re: #620 Salamantis

I suppose actually knowing the classical roots of the political parties, the people who originated their defining stances, and the vocabulary with which to precisely and concisely convey these things is a definite minus in your book. It renders me one of those pointy heads that another anti-intellectual populist, George C. Wallace, derided so much.

As for my salty language, I'm ex-USN. Deal with it.

Salamantis: Oddly enough, I was working as a newspaper reporter during George Wallace's heyday, and got to know him pretty well. He was a charming, intelligent, charismatic guy. And a very dangerous guy.

His favorite advice to politicians, when making public speeches: "You got to put the hay down where the goats can get it." Maybe the best definition of populism I've ever heard. :)

630 Salamantis  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:13:58pm

re: #627 Salamantis

For the same reason I care about the rise or fall of Bobby Jindal; because either of them on a GOP Presidential ticket in '12 (or the worst of all worlds, BOTH of them) would ensure eight years of Obama, rather than four.

And the same is true of Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul.

631 irongrampa  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:14:45pm

re: #543 taxfreekiller


You're a good man, tfk.

632 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:14:48pm

re: #627 Salamantis

For the same reason I care about the rise or fall of Bobby Jindal; because either of them on a GOP Presidential ticket in '12 (or the worst of all worlds, BOTH of them) would ensure eight years of Obama, rather than four.

fair enough...I agree with that

633 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:15:13pm

re: #628 albusteve

BO is poison...his policies are doomed to fail...you know the routine and don't try to convince me that criticizing him is unfounded or deranged...it's not...unless of course you support his policies

But you don't have an addiction to his downfall? You only expend thousands of words predicting it and wishing for it...why?

634 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:18:35pm

re: #633 ShanghaiEd

But you don't have an addiction to his downfall? You only expend thousands of words predicting it and wishing for it...why?

Palin does not hold office...BO is my POTUS, he is my immediate threat...if you think bashing him and his policies is an addiction then so be it...I'm pretty much out of reach for those that would attack me for my views

635 Salamantis  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:19:48pm

re: #629 ShanghaiEd

Salamantis: Oddly enough, I was working as a newspaper reporter during George Wallace's heyday, and got to know him pretty well. He was a charming, intelligent, charismatic guy. And a very dangerous guy.

His favorite advice to politicians, when making public speeches: "You got to put the hay down where the goats can get it." Maybe the best definition of populism I've ever heard. :)

A friend of mine, who has a PhD in the history of ideas, gave me the best thumbnail definition of populist that I know: a racist progressive.

636 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:21:21pm

re: #634 albusteve

Palin does not hold office...BO is my POTUS, he is my immediate threat...if you think bashing him and his policies is an addiction then so be it...I'm pretty much out of reach for those that would attack me for my views

We can't criticize politicians unless they're holding office? I didn't get that memo.

What do you mean, that you're "out of reach" of criticism? That doesn't compute, for me.

637 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:21:28pm

re: #629 ShanghaiEd

Favorited that.

638 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:23:44pm

re: #637 medaura18586

Favorited that.

Well, thank you. It's been refreshing to read your posts, today.

639 kynna  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:24:10pm

re: #615 Salamantis

The Secret of Palin's Staying Power
Why sex appeal matters in politics
Steve Chapman
[Link: www.reason.com...]

Palin is Not the Answer
Why the former Alaska governor will spell doom for conservatives
Cathy Young
[Link: www.reason.com...]

I had to come back after I read those articles. They're opinion pieces that don't actually contain facts. The Chapman piece actually claims Palin added nothing to the ticket which is a stupid meme since the polls show exactly when McCain started to rise (Palin choice) and when he started to fall again (economy), so we know where that guy's coming from.

I admit, I've been quick to defend Palin. I haven't found the substance in her detractor's arguments. And I hate to see people maligned with terms like "insane" when it's wholly unjustified. She resigned as governor. Yeah, I can understand it since I don't have $500,00 to lend her to fight off the harassing investigations. Crazy!! Some of us just don't want to go into bankruptcy after we've achieved our goals and we can leave our ally in a successor position. Madness!

I'm a fan of Reason Magazine, too, but those pieces are nothing more than opinion columns written by people who never liked her in the first place. And they don't give any factual evidence to follow the Palin = bimbo crowd.

640 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:25:51pm

re: #636 ShanghaiEd

We can't criticize politicians unless they're holding office? I didn't get that memo.

What do you mean, that you're "out of reach" of criticism? That doesn't compute, for me.

you can slam Palin all you want...it's entertainment for me, I would not spend two minutes with it...as far as out of reach, I'm nobodys target...I post therefore I am...I argue a bit but I really don't care what you think...to me this blog is a learning forum, not some intellectual whore house...if people want to spent two million words bashing Palin that's cool, I'm not impressed

641 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:26:41pm

re: #638 ShanghaiEd

Likewise, but now the demands of a private life are pulling me from this most interesting discussion.

642 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:29:43pm

re: #622 Salamantis

So you ridicule the leading US libertarian publication. Does that mean that you are authoritarian?

This is logic?

643 Salamantis  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:33:38pm

re: #639 kynna

I had to come back after I read those articles. They're opinion pieces that don't actually contain facts. The Chapman piece actually claims Palin added nothing to the ticket which is a stupid meme since the polls show exactly when McCain started to rise (Palin choice) and when he started to fall again (economy), so we know where that guy's coming from.

I admit, I've been quick to defend Palin. I haven't found the substance in her detractor's arguments. And I hate to see people maligned with terms like "insane" when it's wholly unjustified. She resigned as governor. Yeah, I can understand it since I don't have $500,00 to lend her to fight off the harassing investigations. Crazy!! Some of us just don't want to go into bankruptcy after we've achieved our goals and we can leave our ally in a successor position. Madness!

I'm a fan of Reason Magazine, too, but those pieces are nothing more than opinion columns written by people who never liked her in the first place. And they don't give any factual evidence to follow the Palin = bimbo crowd.

I will have to admit that Palin, while espousing, or at least not distancing, from some red meat socon positions, nevertheless governed Alaska as an undogmatic personal freedom libertarian. Reagan did much the same thing. Unfortunately, after his signing of a Disco-Institute-drafter creationism-in-public-schools bill, I cannot say the same for Jindal.

Bill Clinton, too, was financially dogged by expensive lawsuit bills. But he waited until the end of his term to fundraise and pay them off. The fact that Palin wouldn't do so for her last 18 months will prove disastrous for any subsequent presidential bid by her - and should.

644 irongrampa  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:34:09pm

Guess I'll have to admit being a Palin fan, since I'm one of those redneck hillbillies who don't know better and can't conjugate verbs properly, and didn't go to Harvard, and and don't frequent the correct social strata. Apparently espousing the values she proclaims is no longer in fashion.

So have fun with the bashing, Palin haters--all the while secretly knowing she has more class in her little finger than y'all possess collectively.

645 Salamantis  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:35:16pm

re: #642 haakondahl

This is logic?

Yes, it's logical that if you denigrate libertarianism, that you embrace its political opposite. And its political opposite is authoritarianism.

646 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:36:06pm

re: #635 Salamantis

A friend of mine, who has a PhD in the history of ideas, gave me the best thumbnail definition of populist that I know: a racist progressive.

Sal: Great definition. I'll have to remember that.

Sure enough, except for his racism (big "except," right?), Wallace was actually a pretty progressive governor. He created a thriving junior college system in the state, and was instrumental in helping make Birmingham an international player in medical research, after his first wife developed cancer.

I'm convinced that he was not a "true" racist, whatever that means, but opportunistically chose that path because it's where the votes were. Didn't make him any less dangerous. It's a politician's policies we have to live with, not their "hearts" or "inner selves."

End of my sermon, for now. :)

647 ShanghaiEd  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:37:42pm

re: #641 medaura18586

Likewise, but now the demands of a private life are pulling me from this most interesting discussion.

Same here. Hope you'll be back, though. There are a lot of topics still to cover... :)

648 Salamantis  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:39:08pm

re: #644 irongrampa

Guess I'll have to admit being a Palin fan, since I'm one of those redneck hillbillies who don't know better and can't conjugate verbs properly, and didn't go to Harvard, and and don't frequent the correct social strata. Apparently espousing the values she proclaims is no longer in fashion.

So have fun with the bashing, Palin haters--all the while secretly knowing she has more class in her little finger than y'all possess collectively.

I personally like Palin, and she is indeed waay hott. I wouldn't mind sharing a case of beer in an ice-fishing cabin with her for a weekend.

That doesn't mean that I view her as qualified to be POTUS. And the fact that I DON'T view her as qualified to be POTUS doesn't mean that I DO view Obama as qualified to be POTUS (I don't).

But his unqualifiedness has nothing to do with any nirth certificat.

649 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:39:42pm

re: #645 Salamantis

Yes, it's logical that if you denigrate libertarianism, that you embrace its political opposite. And its political opposite is authoritarianism.

I'm just going to assume that you recall the difference between a thing and a name of a thing, and ask for your king now.

650 albusteve  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:40:05pm

re: #643 Salamantis

I will have to admit that Palin, while espousing, or at least not distancing, from some red meat socon positions, nevertheless governed Alaska as an undogmatic personal freedom libertarian. Reagan did much the same thing. Unfortunately, after his signing of a Disco-Institute-drafter creationism-in-public-schools bill, I cannot say the same for Jindal.

Bill Clinton, too, was financially dogged by expensive lawsuit bills. But he waited until the end of his term to fundraise and pay them off. The fact that Palin wouldn't do so for her last 18 months will prove disastrous for any subsequent presidential bid by her - and should.

I liked her as a VP candidate simply for the mid American values she brought to the ticket...WOOPS!...in the aftermath it's obvious she is not presidential...after all she has been through I don't blame her for leaving office but she is even less presidential for it...I agree with you there...if she becomes a conservative liability when the rubber hits the road then you can smack me for letting it go back then (now)...I'm a simple hayseed and she has taken herself out of it...if she rebounds then you can say I told you so...at this point she is a media driven non person

651 Salamantis  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:43:50pm

re: #649 haakondahl

I'm just going to assume that you recall the difference between a thing and a name of a thing, and ask for your king now.

Yeah; the latter designates the former. Or else definition, and language, possess no human meaning.

Words possess the quality of aboutness; they are about what they re-present.

652 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 3:49:08pm

re: #648 Salamantis

I personally like Palin, and she is indeed waay hott. I wouldn't mind sharing a case of beer in an ice-fishing cabin with her for a weekend.

That doesn't mean that I view her as qualified to be POTUS. And the fact that I DON'T view her as qualified to be POTUS doesn't mean that I DO view Obama as qualified to be POTUS (I don't).

But his unqualifiedness has nothing to do with any nirth certificat.

Agreed on all points, actually. I can't for the life of me figure out why Medaura18586 let herself get so non-linear about Palin. Un-hinged.

The thing that bothers me about her is the same thing that bothers me about you. That smug, haughty, condescending [reaches for thesaurus] arrogant, conceited, self-important, self-righteous, bigheaded, egotistical, vain, self-satisfied, overbearing, superior, pompous tone that just, for some reason, doesn't do it for me.

And when you get busted in a fallacy, you try to wriggle off the hook. It's the antithesis of integrity and reason. You're both smart, but you're both counterfeit.

653 kynna  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 4:25:27pm

re: #643 Salamantis

I will have to admit that Palin, while espousing, or at least not distancing, from some red meat socon positions, nevertheless governed Alaska as an undogmatic personal freedom libertarian. Reagan did much the same thing. Unfortunately, after his signing of a Disco-Institute-drafter creationism-in-public-schools bill, I cannot say the same for Jindal.

Bill Clinton, too, was financially dogged by expensive lawsuit bills. But he waited until the end of his term to fundraise and pay them off. The fact that Palin wouldn't do so for her last 18 months will prove disastrous for any subsequent presidential bid by her - and should.

I don't think she's going for the presidency. But I agree, I think her resignation will be a deal breaker for most. My hope is that she uses her ability to draw a crowd to gain attention for fiscal conservatives. She doesn't have much time for old boy networks and that's exactly what we have in both parties. Which is another reason why I can't understand "moderates'" immediate hatred of her, when there really isn't anything all that substantive to back it up.

I still don't blame her for leaving since she'd accomplished what she'd wanted to. It would have been nice for her to ride out the term, but that should actually make her haters very happy. Instead they're angrier than ever.

654 kynna  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 4:31:29pm

re: #652 haakondahl

Agreed on all points, actually. I can't for the life of me figure out why Medaura18586 let herself get so non-linear about Palin. Un-hinged.

The thing that bothers me about her is the same thing that bothers me about you. That smug, haughty, condescending [reaches for thesaurus] arrogant, conceited, self-important, self-righteous, bigheaded, egotistical, vain, self-satisfied, overbearing, superior, pompous tone that just, for some reason, doesn't do it for me.

And when you get busted in a fallacy, you try to wriggle off the hook. It's the antithesis of integrity and reason. You're both smart, but you're both counterfeit.

I disagree. Medaura isn't smart at all -- only smug. Salamantis is very smart, even when I disagree with him. And willing to debate honestly which Medaura also is not. I was actually surprised by the vitriol aimed in Sal's direction.

655 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 4:42:45pm

I started out as a Sarah Palin semi-fan -- not crazy about her, but mostly supportive -- and got gradually more disenchanted, until she lost me completely by quitting her elected post.

656 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 4:46:44pm

re: #655 Charles

I started out as a Sarah Palin semi-fan -- not crazy about her, but mostly supportive -- and got gradually more disenchanted, until she lost me completely by quitting her elected post.

Ditto. I thought she was good for the ticket, but not particularly strong on a national level in her own right. A few wheels came off the Palin car as time went by, but everybody has bad months and worse, and then she quit. I support her so long as she stays quit, as her reasons only stay true so long as she's out.

If that makes sense.

657 kynna  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 5:06:47pm

re: #656 haakondahl

Ditto. I thought she was good for the ticket, but not particularly strong on a national level in her own right. A few wheels came off the Palin car as time went by, but everybody has bad months and worse, and then she quit. I support her so long as she stays quit, as her reasons only stay true so long as she's out.

If that makes sense.

That makes absolute sense and I agree. But, as I've said, she may be able to help guide the spotlight a little bit, particularly away from the entrenched and corrupt in the party. I'd like to see that kind of thing now more than ever and it seems to be one of her 'things'.

What about ten or twelve years down the road, though? Does she have to stay quit for the rest of her life for her reasons to be 'true'?

658 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 5:09:46pm

re: #655 Charles

I started out as a Sarah Palin semi-fan -- not crazy about her, but mostly supportive -- and got gradually more disenchanted, until she lost me completely by quitting her elected post.

...She had lost me way before that happened.

659 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 6:16:14pm

Holy Gumbo!

I step away for a few hours and you geniuses have outed Medaura as a...gasp!...liberal. Quick - someone tell Robert Spencer - it's so much more effective than attacking her research.

She sure had me fooled. And her employer. And when I think of her poor husband...no, it's demonic. Sneaky little Albanian with her good English and all. Can't trust anyone these days.

Affentheater. Ich lach mir 'nen Ast.

660 American Sabra  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 6:25:40pm

I'm back. Ya missed me didn't ya.

re: #517 haakondahl

I know it's a dead thread, but I promised to respond.

I was in a political identity crisis for years. The traditional labels stopped fitting. For me, it started at 9/11 when I began supporting the Right and stuck by it for years, but that's really been the only link for me. The foreign policy segment you mentioned.

I think a lot of those traditional labels started to shake for a lot of people years ago. I don't know. I think it came to a head when Bush's ratings started to drop. And it's always tougher for the party that loses the election. I wonder how much wound licking is still going on with the GOP now or if that typically is supposed to resolve already. I should have studied poli sci.

Anyway, I don't feel that tie to the Democrats like I had. It's like becoming friends with an old lover that lies to you. Dinner maybe, a few laughs, but I'm bringing my car and driving home afterward. I mean, I still support social causes typically supported by the Left, but there's distance now.

Does that address your statements? I'm not sure what it has to do with demonizing someone.

661 MPH  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 8:15:54pm

re: #567 jvic

Afaic her 2008 convention speech was a barnburner

It was...but she was just reading someone else's words off a teleprompter.

662 haakondahl  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:10:12pm

re: #660 American Sabra

I'm not sure what it has to do with demonizing someone.

Me neither.

663 Salamantis  Mon, Jul 27, 2009 11:54:48pm

re: #652 haakondahl

Agreed on all points, actually. I can't for the life of me figure out why Medaura18586 let herself get so non-linear about Palin. Un-hinged.

The thing that bothers me about her is the same thing that bothers me about you. That smug, haughty, condescending [reaches for thesaurus] arrogant, conceited, self-important, self-righteous, bigheaded, egotistical, vain, self-satisfied, overbearing, superior, pompous tone that just, for some reason, doesn't do it for me.

And when you get busted in a fallacy, you try to wriggle off the hook. It's the antithesis of integrity and reason. You're both smart, but you're both counterfeit.

You haven't caught me in a single fallacy. I have upon occasion made mistakes in my posts, but when they actually ARE mistakes, I am quick to acknowledge them. Most of the time, however, as on this thread, they AREN'T mistakes.

I have no problem acknowledging actual mistakes I make, but I refuse to admit to mistakes I did not make just to fucking please you.

To be alliterative about it, the smug, snide, snotty, sneering superciliousness all seems to be coming from you. And completely and totaolly without merit, I might add.

664 elcaro  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:14:16am

Palin already commented on the Tiller murder through her PAC... Just because she doesn't answer every question in the way you judge would be best to answer the question doesn't mean she supports the murder of Tiller. It also has nothing to do with conspiracy theories... You might as well also bring up that she supports ID, since you missed a few other irrelevant points. Whatever...

The site is so worried about the fringes lately, that it is getting more and more irrelevant each day. Let's talk about every lunatic so we can paint a broad brush over the entire GOP/Conservative movement!!! As if people like Sarah Palin are the principal problems with this country, not the folks who have been in Washington for the last few years or the last few decades.

665 Chekote  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:12:38am

The GOP needs to address its nutty element. Much like the Birchers were dealt with in the past. Otherwise, Obama's failures will not be enough to regain the majority.

666 MPH  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:17:34pm

Buy American says:

Sarah Palin: [Link: govtwit.com...]
FireDogLake: [Link: firedoglake.com...]
AFL/CIO: [Link: blog.aflcio.org...]
Pat Buchanan: [Link: townhall.com...]


Free Trade says:

CATO: [Link: www.cato-at-liberty.org...]
Reason: [Link: reason.tv...]
Forbes: [Link: www.forbes.com...]
Capmag: [Link: www.capmag.com...]
Cafe Hayek: [Link: www.cafehayek.com...]


Moonbats on one side...classical liberals on the other.


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