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1 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:13:24am

Well - there's a surprise...

/NOT!

2 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:13:34am

May she be a good justice.

3 JohnnyReb  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:13:43am

I wonder what the final vote was? At least it is out of the way without too much fanfare.

4 wiffersnapper  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:14:13am

re: #2 Ojoe

Exactly

5 buster  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:15:25am

Elections have consequences. This is a minor one. Much, much more to come.

6 KenJen  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:16:17am

re: #2 Ojoe

May she be a good justice.

I'm hoping. Wonder who will be the next to retire? That's when I'll start to worry.

7 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:16:33am

Now on to the important stuff like Crap & Tax and Ø-Care

I learned a new fitting term for these guys - Entitlement Mobsters.

8 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:17:14am

We'll see if a wise latina can make better decisions than a white guy.
Although I really don't expect much difference between her and the white guy she's replacing.

9 littleoldlady  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:17:16am

Now it goes to the full Senate, right?

10 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:17:25am
(CNN) -- The Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday approved the nomination of federal Judge Sonia Sotomayor to become the nation's first Hispanic Supreme Court justice, setting up a final confirmation vote by the Senate.
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The committee's 13-6 vote was mostly on partisan lines, with one Republican joining the panel's Democrats in sending the nomination to the full Senate.

At least five Republican senators have announced their intention to support Sotomayor, making confirmation by the Democratic-controlled Senate a virtual certainty

11 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:17:41am

re: #9 littleoldlady

Now it goes to the full Senate, right?

That's my understanding, yes.

12 littleoldlady  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:17:54am

re: #10 wrenchwench

Right. :-) Thanks!

13 danny  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:18:01am

Predictable.

14 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:18:27am
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15 Gang of One  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:18:57am

Will she overturn herself now?

16 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:19:29am

Souter for Sotomayor. Meet the new judge, same as the old judge.

17 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:19:41am

Does this mean slavery and rape won't be legalized?

18 KenJen  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:19:49am

re: #15 Gang of One

Will she overturn herself now?

Can justices vote present?/

19 kansas  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:19:57am

re: #8 Kosh's Shadow

We'll see if a wise latina can make better decisions than a white guy.
Although I really don't expect much difference between her and the white guy she's replacing.

She was referring to a conservative white guy.

20 saberry0530  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:20:21am

May she use her head, not her heart

21 saylorfam  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:20:37am

So here we go, no surprise with her confirmation though. I can only hope that she is reasonable and unbiased and does not use the bench for creating the law but instead for interpreting the law.
I hope 10 years from now I am still able to recognize the Country where I was born and raised. Please forgive my pessimism

22 pink freud  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:20:53am

A victory for mediocrity.

23 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:21:10am

re: #17 Ben Hur

Does this mean slavery and rape won't be legalized?

no but illegal immigration will...I cynically think that's the whole idea behind her nomination

24 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:21:25am

re: #22 pink freud

A victory for mediocrity.

I wish the presidential election had gone so well.

25 haakondahl  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:21:26am

Thank you Gang of 14.

26 formercorpsman  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:21:55am

I think this is good to get this out of the way. May she be true to the bench.

27 looking closely  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:22:03am

Hardly a surprise there.

Everyone knew she'd be confirmed. The only question was when and what the final count would look like (as if it even matters).

28 Idle Drifter  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:22:07am

I'm under the wait and see catagory. What else can I do?

29 Gang of One  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:22:36am

re: #25 haakondahl

Thank you Gang of 14.

No relation. I swear. I act alone.

30 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:22:40am

re: #24 Kosh's Shadow

I wish the presidential election had gone so well.

Yeah- instead of a "victory for mediocrity" we got the "audacity of incompetence"...

31 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:22:46am

Breaking what? Not news, right?
/

32 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:23:22am

Hamas Airs Shalit Propaganda Cartoon

(IsraelNN.com) Hamas launched a propaganda cartoon of Gilad Shalit on Monday, playing it repeatedly on its Al Aksa television station, as well as on internet forums. In the film an unshaven Shalit is calling for his mother when visited in his cell by a Gaza boy who tells him that Israel does not care about him.

During the three-minute film, additional Hamas messages include how it would be betrayal by the boy to free Shalit, especially with many of the boy's relatives in Israeli jails. Israel is portrayed as being only a collection of people from Western countries, and Shalit's only hope is for Hamas to kidnap another soldier to make Israel agree to Hamas's terms and discourage Israelis from joining the army.

33 itellu3times  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:23:22am

re: #22 pink freud

A victory for mediocrity.

I'm sure she's very good at what she does.

34 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:23:29am

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

Breaking what? Not news, right?
/

wind

35 pink freud  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:23:51am

re: #33 itellu3times

I'm sure she's very good at what she does.

Yeah. Me too. That's what bothers me.

36 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:24:25am

re: #23 albusteve

no but illegal immigration will...I cynically think that's the whole idea behind her nomination

The nomination was a quid-pro-quo to the Hispanic community for support in the election- nothing more, nothing less.

37 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:24:25am

I'm going to withhold my judgement on her until she actually is sitting on the SCOTUS and renders an opinion. America elected Mr. Obama. Were we to expect more Alitos and Roberts from a man who idolizes Saul Alinsky and his ilk? We got what we elected. I hope she follows the law and does so in an impartial manner. We shall see.

38 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:24:43am

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hamas Airs Shalit Propaganda Cartoon

They're using a cartoon because he's dead.

39 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:24:47am
40 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:25:01am

re: #2 Ojoe

May she be a good justice.

Amen!

/and adding to that ... *yawn* regarding the news

41 saberry0530  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:25:05am

re: #34 albusteve

Entirley TOO much Gorebul Warming goins on around here!

42 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:25:35am

re: #36 CIA Reject

The nomination was a quid-pro-quo to the Hispanic community for support in the election- nothing more, nothing less.

we'll see won't we...I don't think so

43 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:25:49am

re: #37 Jetpilot1101

I'm going to withhold my judgement on her until she actually is sitting on the SCOTUS and renders an opinion. America elected Mr. Obama. Were we to expect more Alitos and Roberts from a man who idolizes Saul Alinsky and his ilk? We got what we elected. I hope she follows the law and does so in an impartial manner. We shall see.

What? No, what THEY elected they got. DOn't talk for ME. What's with the collective we?

44 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:26:26am

re: #9 littleoldlady

Now it goes to the full Senate, right?

Yes, it still has to go there.

45 JohnnyReb  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:26:27am

I am hoping for the best from this. Sometimes people put in positions like this actually stop and think about the magnitude of the decisions they are about to rule on. Hopefully she steps back and realizes where she is and what she is supposed to be doing.

46 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:26:30am

re: #42 albusteve

we'll see won't we...I don't think so

Yes, we'll see...

47 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:26:49am

re: #9 littleoldlady

Yes, now her confirmation goes to the full Senate.

re: #10 wrenchwench

Which, depending on how you want to read the decision by the committee - was bipartisan support. After all, if a GOPer voted with the Democrats, that necessarily means it was bipartisan. However, the media wants to highlight that the GOPers on the panel generally disapproved.

As it is, the whole confirmation process is screwed up - and has been for years now.

And the President also gets to avoid the confirmation process altogether by establishing czars and advisers in roles that are already covered by the Secretaries of the various Departments - ex: Aldolfo Carrion is a housing czar, even though there's a Secretary for Housing and Urban Development. Both do the same thing (or should be doing the same work), but Carrion didn't need Senate confirmation, which means far less scrutiny on his shady dealings. Had Carrion gone through the process, he likely wouldn't have been confirmed.

48 StillAMarine  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:27:04am

Now we shall see Sotomayor's true colours. One can only hope they are at least similar to what she showed during her confirmation hearings. Given the propensity for people associated with the Democrat party in general, and Obama in particular to lie like rugs, one never knows.

49 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:27:17am

re: #22 pink freud

A victory for mediocrity.

It's all about diversity.

50 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:27:56am

re: #43 Walter L. Newton

What? No, what THEY elected they got. DOn't talk for ME. What's with the collective we?

Unfortunately what THEY elected WE got as well- until the next election anyway...

51 pink freud  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:28:30am

re: #49 Ward Cleaver

The increasing similarity between the two is worrisome.

52 StillAMarine  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:28:33am

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hamas is truly disgusting.

53 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:28:50am

Well, thank the heavens, I can finally get some sleep tonite.

/lotta sarc

54 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:28:58am

re: #49 Ward Cleaver

It's all about diversity.

Assuming you can work the quotas out right anyways.

55 formercorpsman  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:29:15am

re: #47 lawhawk

Great post Lawhawk. The czar information is excellent. Very concise.

56 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:29:22am

re: #49 Ward Cleaver

It's all about diversity.

like GM...we'll build 85 different cars!...all of them junk

57 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:30:09am

re: #43 Walter L. Newton

What? No, what THEY elected they got. DOn't talk for ME. What's with the collective we?

Unless I'm mistaken good sir, you live in the US as well which means that what the American people elected, WE all got. You may not have voted for Mr. Obama but he is the president like it or not and WE ALL have to deal with the consequences.

58 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:32:01am

re: #38 Kosh's Shadow

They're using a cartoon because he's dead.

Must concur with that. If he was alive, they'd have produced a proof-of-life by now.

59 KenJen  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:32:01am

re: #47 lawhawk

Do you have any idea what these czars make? How does Obama's payroll compare to GWB's?

60 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:32:11am

re: #56 albusteve

like GM...we'll build 85 different cars!...all of them junk

"We have both kinds of music: country and western!"

61 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:32:20am

re: #51 pink freud

The increasing similarity between the two is worrisome.

I agree, it's sad. It will help perpetuate the notion that minorities can't succeed without help from affirmative action and quotas, and give the racists more ammunition in their attempts to sway more people to their point of view. I have more respect for people like Bill Cosby, than people like Henry Louis Gates.

62 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:32:31am

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Must concur with that. If he was alive, they'd have produced a proof-of-life by now.

Or would've attempted a rescue by now.

63 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:32:40am

Not unanticipated nor unexpected nor unsurprising.

64 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:33:04am

OT:

There's a Facebook poll out there asking whether people should have to pass drug tests before getting welfare/food stamps.

My suggestion: Do it for everyone on the public payroll, starting from the top down. Then watch your congresscritters run for the exits.

65 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:33:05am

re: #61 Ward Cleaver

Bill Cosby makes a lot of sense. (When he's talking as himself, and not as Weird Harold or something.)

66 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:33:40am

re: #30 CIA Reject

Yeah- instead of a "victory for mediocrity" we got the "audacity of incompetence"...

Give her a break. Not everybody can be a Harriet Myers... :)

67 ernieg  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:33:49am

re: #22 pink freud

A victory for mediocrity.

Well, aren't persons of mediocrity entitled to representation?

68 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:34:23am

re: #65 EmmmieG

Bill Cosby makes a lot of sense. (When he's talking as himself, and not as Weird Harold or something.)

Or Leonard Part 7 (I'll bet he'd like to forget that one).

69 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:34:46am

re: #61 Ward Cleaver

I agree, it's sad. It will help perpetuate the notion that minorities can't succeed without help from affirmative action and quotas, and give the racists more ammunition in their attempts to sway more people to their point of view. I have more respect for people like Bill Cosby, than people like Henry Louis Gates.

Yes, the "Soft Racism of Reduced Expectations".

70 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:34:50am

re: #68 Ward Cleaver

Or Leonard Part 7 (I'll bet he'd like to forget that one).

We'll just sweep that one under the rug and stack a couple of Cosby Show episodes on it.

71 pat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:35:03am

What better candidate could there be other than a foolish, Latina loudmouth?

72 pink freud  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:35:08am

re: #61 Ward Cleaver

I agree, it's sad. It will help perpetuate the notion that minorities can't succeed without help from affirmative action and quotas, and give the racists more ammunition in their attempts to sway more people to their point of view. I have more respect for people like Bill Cosby, than people like Henry Louis Gates.

Bill Cosby is about excellence, as is Thomas Sowell. There are many minorities that represent excellence. Unfortunately, folks like Gates ...and Sharpton, Jackson, et al, the one who personify mediocrity, are the ones who get the attention and perpetuate the stereotype.

73 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:35:11am

"Historic."

Drink!

Game continues.

74 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:35:16am

re: #67 ernieg

Well, aren't persons of mediocrity entitled to representation?

Mediocritic-Americans?

75 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:35:16am

re: #64 Cato the Elder

OT:

There's a Facebook poll out there asking whether people should have to pass drug tests before getting welfare/food stamps.

My suggestion: Do it for everyone on the public payroll, starting from the top down. Then watch your congresscritters run for the exits.

You make it sound as though they're holding raves following sessions. /

76 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:35:36am

re: #62 Ben Hur

Or would've attempted a rescue by now.

The Gaza offensive should not have stopped without either getting him back or forcing them to admit he was dead.

77 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:36:07am

re: #73 Ben Hur

"Historic."

Drink!

Game continues.

H*c!

78 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:36:18am

re: #66 ShanghaiEd

Give her a break. Not everybody can be a Harriet Myers... :)

Thanks, just when I'd almost completely forgotten... :-)

79 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:36:19am

re: #64 Cato the Elder

OT:

There's a Facebook poll out there asking whether people should have to pass drug tests before getting welfare/food stamps.

My suggestion: Do it for everyone on the public payroll, starting from the top down. Then watch your congresscritters run for the exits.

Maybe they are on drugs. That would explain a lot.

80 formercorpsman  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:37:08am

re: #64 Cato the Elder

You know Cato, I will chew on that. I can see the pro and con of the argument.

They do test the military at random.

81 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:37:16am

re: #59 KenJen

Do you have any idea what these czars make? How does Obama's payroll compare to GWB's?

Here's the Bush payroll from 2006.

Here's some early indication that Obama's spending more on staff than Bush did in his final year.

To that end, the fact that the White House itself disclosed the information this year is notable. Typically, the figures are only made public after the required report to Congress each administration must make each year is leaked to the media. Instead, this year it was posted the White House blog Wednesday by Macon Phillips, director of New Media, "consistent with President Obama's commitment to transparency." Incidentally, Phillips is among the 123 staffers making six figures, at a salary $115,000.

In tough economic times, the information is likely to face additional scrutiny, particularly since the overall White House payroll would increase from 2008 if all staffers accrue their annual wage. All told, 455 White House employees earn on average $77,320, up four percent from 2008. The median salary is $62,000, which means that as many employees earn more than that as earn less; last year the figure was $55,400. Unlike past years, however, the top salary has remained the same, a result of a freeze Obama ordered immediately upon taking office.

The 22 most senior officials who earn that top wage also includes staff secretary Elizabeth Brown, press secretary Robert Gibbs and chief speechwriter John Favreau. Meanwhile, 51 junior staffers earn the minimum salary of $36,000, including West Wing receptionist Darienne Page, press assistant Kevin Lewis and assistant speechwriter Kyle O'Connor.

But for the sizable number of employees who transitioned from the campaign to the White House, even those at the lowest levels are enjoying a stimulus plan of sorts - higher pay in addition to a much more prestigious address.

82 JustABill  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:37:47am

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hamas Airs Shalit Propaganda Cartoon

I hate to say this, but Shalit is dead. If they had him alive, they would be putting out proof of that to motivate the Israel to trade him for large numbers of people in Israels custody. The fact that they are using a cartoon means they can't use the real thing...

83 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:37:47am

OT: Hawaii once again gives Nirthers the backhand:

Hawaii Again Declares Obama Birth Certificate Real

84 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:37:56am

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Gaza offensive should not have stopped without either getting him back or forcing them to admit he was dead.

the IDF should be occupying Gaza right now, that being one reason

85 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:38:12am
86 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:38:17am

re: #79 doppelganglander

Maybe they are on drugs. That would explain a lot.

"They" being the congressmen? Perhaps.

I actually don't like that poll, but I can't explain why, precisely. I don't like the idea that only the poor should be tested for drug use.

87 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:38:42am

re: #57 Jetpilot1101

Unless I'm mistaken good sir, you live in the US as well which means that what the American people elected, WE all got. You may not have voted for Mr. Obama but he is the president like it or not and WE ALL have to deal with the consequences.

No sir, you said "We got what we elected" using the collective we twice. Once in reference to the whole country and then in reference to the people who voted for Obama, the second collective we.

Don't speak for me. I did not cast a vote for him.

88 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:38:53am

re: #59 KenJen

Do you have any idea what these czars make? How does Obama's payroll compare to GWB's?

If they aren't volunteer czars, he has doubled the payroll, I'm guessing.

89 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:39:12am

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Gaza offensive should not have stopped without either getting him back or forcing them to admit he was dead.

The Gaza offensive shouldn't have stopped until Hamas was destroyed or accepted Israel's right to live in peace as a Jewish state.
However, I believe that Israel was under a lot of pressure by the incoming Obama administration to withdraw before the inauguration.
And we can see how much they were rewarded for listening to him then.
Not.

90 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:39:58am

re: #85 unrealizedviewpoint

States Consider Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients

And Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead?

91 JustABill  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:39:59am

re: #81 lawhawk

We need a Czar Czar to keep track of all the Czars and what each is in charge of... / (is this really necessary?)

92 CommonCents  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:39:59am

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hamas Airs Shalit Propaganda Cartoon

So when do the "Hamas in violation of Geneva conventions" protests start?

93 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:40:15am

re: #61 Ward Cleaver

I agree, it's sad. It will help perpetuate the notion that minorities can't succeed without help from affirmative action and quotas, and give the racists more ammunition in their attempts to sway more people to their point of view. I have more respect for people like Bill Cosby, than people like Henry Louis Gates.

Add Thomas Sowell to that list of good guys.

94 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:40:37am

re: #81 lawhawk

Here's some early indication that Obama's spending more on staff than Bush did in his final year.


All those czar positions are to keep employment up, you know.
If it weren't for them, more people would be unemployed.
/

95 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:40:49am

Nuthin to see here. Move along, citizens.

96 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:40:51am
97 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:41:10am

re: #82 JustABill

I hate to say this, but Shalit is dead. If they had him alive, they would be putting out proof of that to motivate the Israel to trade him for large numbers of people in Israels custody. The fact that they are using a cartoon means they can't use the real thing...

See my re: #38 Kosh's Shadow

98 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:41:31am

re: #84 albusteve

the IDF should be occupying Gaza right now, that being one reason

Isolate, Separate, Eradicate. Cordone off sections, remove civilians to holding camps and do a intensive house to house search, eradicate opposing forces using overwhelming fire power. Repeat until he is found and Hamas is crushed.

99 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:41:48am

re: #92 CommonCents

So when do the "Hamas in violation of Geneva conventions" protests start?

The protest are scheduled for the first Wednesday that comes at the end of the week. Hamas Delenda Est.

100 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:42:08am

re: #81 lawhawk

That really adds to my concern that Obama is trying to consolidate too much power in the White House. What with all the czars and special appointees, trying to take the Census away from Commerce, and assorted shenanigans, I find it very worrisome that unelected officials in the Executive Branch may be gaining unconstitutional power that we don't know enough about.

101 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:42:08am

re: #91 JustABill

We need a Czar Czar to keep track of all the Czars and what each is in charge of... / (is this really necessary?)

Czar Czar Binks?

102 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:42:38am

re: #96 buzzsawmonkey

damn you.

103 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:43:06am

re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Isolate, Separate, Eradicate. Cordone off sections, remove civilians to holding camps and do a intensive house to house search, eradicate opposing forces using overwhelming fire power. Repeat until he is found and Hamas is crushed.

and think of all the collateral damage they could do...weapons, tunnels etc...it's all very disappointing bro

104 JustABill  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:43:11am

re: #97 Kosh's Shadow

See my re: #38 Kosh's Shadow

Sorry, skimming the thread too fast...

105 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:43:12am

re: #102 calcajun

damn you.

You have to get up mighty early to beat buzzsaw to the punch.

106 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:43:39am

re: #100 doppelganglander

That really adds to my concern that Obama is trying to consolidate too much power in the White House. What with all the czars and special appointees, trying to take the Census away from Commerce, and assorted shenanigans, I find it very worrisome that unelected officials in the Executive Branch may be gaining unconstitutional power that we don't know enough about.

England had the Star Chamber. We have the Czar Chamber.

107 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:43:53am
108 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:43:56am

re: #90 EmmmieG

And Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead?

I'm fairly certain the ACLU will be all over this drug testing of welfare recipients right quick should it be imposed.

OT - When someone gets a timeout to reflect upon their indiscretions here at LGF they receive a message at log-in to try back later. But, what do we see when we click on their avatar? The usual?

109 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:44:14am

re: #96 buzzsawmonkey

Czar Czar Binks!

SMACK!

Sorry, BSM, but even though that earned you an upding from me, mentioning that movie-ruining thing without condemning it earns an automatic smack.

110 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:44:30am

re: #80 formercorpsman

You know Cato, I will chew on that. I can see the pro and con of the argument.

They do test the military at random.

My estimate is that the number of coke-or-what-have-you-heads in Congress must be something on the order of the number of adulterers, times ten. It just stands to reason.

The adulterers probably get the staffers they're banging to buy the stuff for them. For the rest, there has to be a select group of trusted suppliers. Count on it.

111 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:44:31am

re: #108 unrealizedviewpoint

I dunno. Why don't you see if you can get a timeout, and we'll look to see?

112 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:44:32am

Are there any czarinas? Gotta have diversity doncha know...

113 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:44:40am

re: #48 StillAMarine

Now we shall see Sotomayor's true colours. One can only hope they are at least similar to what she showed during her confirmation hearings. Given the propensity for people associated with the Democrat party in general, and Obama in particular to lie like rugs, one never knows.

I'm more inclined to judge her history on just that, her history, and not on what she said before the Senate.

114 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:44:46am

re: #92 CommonCents

So when do the "Hamas in violation of Geneva conventions" protests start?

Didn't you know? The Geneva Convention is dead. The fact we took terrorists as prisoners instead of executing them as unlawful combatants kind of shows how much attention is paid to the GC nowadays.

115 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:45:02am
116 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:45:30am

re: #101 calcajun

Czar Czar Binks?

SMACK!. See my #109 for the reason.

117 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:45:32am

re: #108 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm fairly certain the ACLU will be all over this drug testing of welfare recipients right quick should it be imposed.

OT - When someone gets a timeout to reflect upon their indiscretions here at LGF they receive a message at log-in to try back later. But, what do we see when we click on their avatar? The usual?

Back on topic: wouldn't it make more sense to require welfare recipients to show evidence that they have applied for jobs? Have cut back on their spending? Have taken up part-time jobs to get by? I would rather they show proof of initiative.

118 iceweasel  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:45:46am

re: #37 Jetpilot1101

I'm going to withhold my judgement on her until she actually is sitting on the SCOTUS and renders an opinion.

To be perfectly honest, Sotomayor is a moderate/centrist. It's entirely possible that she'll turn out to be as big a surprise to Obama as Souter was to GHWB.

She's also the best appointment people on the right could hope for at present.

119 JustABill  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:45:54am

re: #96 buzzsawmonkey

Czar Czar Binks!

"meesa wanna take over the american economy..."

120 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:45:54am

re: #108 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm fairly certain the ACLU will be all over this drug testing of welfare recipients right quick should it be imposed.

OT - When someone gets a timeout to reflect upon their indiscretions here at LGF they receive a message at log-in to try back later. But, what do we see when we click on their avatar? The usual?

I believe it says the user is having a timeout, or is temporarily blocked.

121 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:46:01am

re: #111 EmmmieG

I dunno. Why don't you see if you can get a timeout, and we'll look to see?

hey!

122 Buck  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:46:30am

re: #59 KenJen

Do you have any idea what these czars make? How does Obama's payroll compare to GWB's?

He makes it up by forcing them to pay their taxes.

The additional tax revenue from people who normally would not pay taxes is enough to pay for the extra Czars.

/its true, I read it on the internet!

123 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:46:31am

re: #120 Kosh's Shadow

I believe it says the user is having a timeout, or is temporarily blocked.

Who has this been tested on?

124 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:46:35am

re: #86 vxbush

"They" being the congressmen? Perhaps.

I actually don't like that poll, but I can't explain why, precisely. I don't like the idea that only the poor should be tested for drug use.

Yes, I was referring to Congress. They do spend like drunken sailors.

I can see your point about testing only the poor. For one thing, it might discourage people from getting the assistance they need for their children. It also seems like an invasion of privacy based on class. OTOH, I don't like the thought of people who get food stamps using the cash they would otherwise spend on groceries to buy crack. It's a hard question.

125 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:46:44am

re: #120 Kosh's Shadow

I believe it says the user is having a timeout, or is temporarily blocked.

A little graphic of a kid standing in a corner would be cute.

Although it's really more of a cool-off period.

126 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:46:47am

re: #105 vxbush

I was grappling with an anacronym for BINKS-- best I could come up with on short notice was Barak's Internal Note Keeping System-- but it just did not fit.

127 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:47:20am
128 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:47:23am

re: #123 unrealizedviewpoint

Who has this been tested on?

Charles tested it on Stinky, but unblocked him later.

129 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:47:23am

re: #119 JustABill

"meesa wanna take over the american economy..."

"Health Care reform? Yousa means innocent peepas gonna die? Thasa too bad."

130 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:47:24am

Syria, our new trading partner
July 28, 2009
We welcome Syria, our new trading partner
Ed Lasky
Now how likely is that the Syrians will learn (under American tutelage, no less), and teach terror groups how to keep America and our allies from stopping terrorists?

131 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:47:39am

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

Three movies that never needed to be made, if you ask me.

132 JustABill  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:47:49am

re: #123 unrealizedviewpoint

Who has this been tested on?

I tried yesterday, I guess I'll have to try harder...

133 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:48:23am
"I don’t believe that Judge Sotomayor has the deep-rooted convictions necessary to resist the siren call of judicial activism."
"She has evoked its mantra too often. As someone who cares deeply about our great heritage of law, I must withhold my consent."

Jeff Sessions, one of 6 Senators on the Judiciary Committee voting no, just now. But 13 Senators voted yes — all the Dems, plus Lindsey — so the smooth path to confirmation is as clear as it's always been.

[Link: althouse.blogspot.com...]

134 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:48:33am

re: #127 buzzsawmonkey

And can they dance the czardas?

If they can't sleep, they can take (or watch) Czardoz!

135 iceweasel  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:48:36am

re: #109 Dark_Falcon

SMACK!

Sorry, BSM, but even though that earned you an upding from me, mentioning that movie-ruining thing without condemning it earns an automatic smack.

So true! There can be common ground and bi-partisan consensus that the Movie-Ruining Thing We Shall Not Name was horrible.

136 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:48:37am

re: #128 Kosh's Shadow

Charles tested it on Stinky, but unblocked him later.

What did Mr. Beaumont do?
/

137 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:49:05am

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

OT: Hawaii once again gives Nirthers the backhand:

Hawaii Again Declares Obama Birth Certificate Real

Like that's going to shut them up.

On a side note, I didn't hear a peep yesterday about Hawaii's 50th anniversary of their statehood. Happy Anniversary, Hawaii! Makes me want to eat some pineapple. Mmmm...

138 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:49:15am

re: #130 midwestgak

Syria, our new trading partner
July 28, 2009
We welcome Syria, our new trading partner
Ed Lasky
Now how likely is that the Syrians will learn (under American tutelage, no less), and teach terror groups how to keep America and our allies from stopping terrorists?

Punish our friends, reward our enemies.
Did anyone really stop to think what being the not-Bush really meant?

139 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:49:17am

re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Health Care reform? Yousa means innocent peepas gonna die? Thasa too bad."

Please, for the love of all that is Holy, Stop!

140 SFGoth  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:49:38am

Well finally, even the mediocre have representation on the Supreme Court now.

141 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:50:04am

re: #136 unrealizedviewpoint

What did Mr. Beaumont do?
/

Volunteered.

142 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:50:33am

re: #128 Kosh's Shadow

Charles tested it on Stinky, but unblocked him later.

Did Stinky complain about that wrenching experience?

143 saberry0530  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:50:38am

re: #126 calcajun

I was grappling with an anacronym for BINKS-- best I could come up with on short notice was Barak's Internal Note Keeping System-- but it just did not fit.

Best if Nobody KnowS

144 Enkidu90046  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:51:54am

Off-topic, but apparently the Obama-Crowley-Gates beer meeting will take place on Thursday.

To me, the most embarrassing part of this is The One's choice of beer... BUDWEISER??? REALLY???

C'mon... the answer as to what beer to drink was quite obvious... "Sam Adams -- Brewer, Patriot"

At least Cowley and Gates have reasonable choices for their beers (although, not surprisingly, Crowley's choice of beer is the best of all three of them.

[Link: www.boston.com...]

"As for the choice of libation, Crowley likes Blue Moon, Gates favors Red Stripe or Becks, and Gibbs suggested that Obama will quaff a Budweiser, as he did at the MLB All-Star game."

145 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:52:16am
146 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:52:25am

it is hardly outside the realm of probability that Soto lies at her convenience...moving up through the court system is hardly a process bases solely on merit...she is a politician of a different stripe...therefore the truth is whatever it needs to be depending on circumstances

147 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:52:46am

Which president was it who started the Czar bullcrap? I think I recall the first czar being for energy, then there was a drug czar, now there's a zillion of them. Was it Carter?

There's nothing wrong with advisers, but calling them czars is as un-American as sending out nuncios or having regional commissars. What's next? Palatine governors? Plenipotentiaries? Potentates?

148 aggieann  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:53:13am

re: #139 calcajun

Please, for the love of all that is Holy, Stop!

And if you don't, you'll be czarry!

149 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:53:24am

The Head of the ATF will henceforth be known as Shooting Czar.

150 CommonCents  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:53:26am

Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thanks for the tip on "Rome". I just finished the 2nd season. Good stuff. A little heavy on the debauchery and a little light on the battles, but good nonetheless.

151 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:53:46am

re: #142 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Did Stinky complain about that wrenching experience?

When you're suspended, no one can hear you scream.

152 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:53:57am

re: #139 calcajun

Please, for the love of all that is Holy, Stop!

Besa quite. Yousa stillza deadz to meesa.

153 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:54:40am

re: #82 JustABill

I hate to say this, but Shalit is dead. If they had him alive, they would be putting out proof of that to motivate the Israel to trade him for large numbers of people in Israels custody. The fact that they are using a cartoon means they can't use the real thing...

but hey ... the EU still wants to talk to hamas ... Jewish blood is very cheap in eurabia.

154 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:54:52am

re: #148 aggieann

too late.

155 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:55:59am

re: #152 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh, you're just peeved that you can't make chili that doesn't come in a can.

156 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:56:27am

re: #96 buzzsawmonkey

Czar Czar Binks!

How about Czar Czar Gabor?

157 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:57:19am

re: #156 Mad Al-Jaffee

Oh, very good!

158 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:57:47am

re: #144 Enkidu90046

Obama likes to drink Bud because that's what he used to smoke in college.

159 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:58:08am

re: #93 debutaunt

Add Thomas Sowell to that list of good guys.

Yeah. When I was growing up in Alabama, people referred to "the good Negroes." Meaning the ones who had more sense than to go for that integration business.

Glad to see the tradition (sort of) survives...

/

160 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:58:44am

re: #155 calcajun

Oh, you're just peeved that you can't make chili that doesn't come in a can.

Canned chili? You just earned another day on the dead list.

161 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:58:56am
162 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:00:08am

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

Now there was a woman who knew when to say "enough" to the plastic surgeon.

At least from the neck up.

163 Gang of One  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:02:03am

re: #147 Cato the Elder

Which president was it who started the Czar bullcrap? I think I recall the first czar being for energy, then there was a drug czar, now there's a zillion of them. Was it Carter?

There's nothing wrong with advisers, but calling them czars is as un-American as sending out nuncios or having regional commissars. What's next? Palatine governors? Plenipotentiaries? Potentates?

... Ministers, prelates, satraps, rimpoches, grand viziers ...

164 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:02:58am

re: #153 _RememberTonyC

but hey ... the EU still wants to talk to hamas ... Jewish blood is very cheap in eurabia.

I don't know. The Euros are paying Hamas a lot per dead Jew.
/

165 iceweasel  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:03:01am

re: #147 Cato the Elder

Which president was it who started the Czar bullcrap? I think I recall the first czar being for energy, then there was a drug czar, now there's a zillion of them. Was it Carter?

There's nothing wrong with advisers, but calling them czars is as un-American as sending out nuncios or having regional commissars. What's next? Palatine governors? Plenipotentiaries? Potentates?

"Czar" as used by the media means only "person in charge of stuff". It doesn't automatically mean the person is a special advisor and/or wasn't subject to Senate confirmation. The first 'czar' was in the Nixon administration, and Bush had a ton of 'czars', ranging from a 'regulatory czar' to a 'cybersecurity czar' to an "AIDS czar" to a "birdflu czar"

Here's an old article about the Bush admin and czars:
[Link: www.prospect.org...]

BTW, I'm not saying 'Bush did it too', but pointing out that 'czar' doesn't automatically mean 'special advisor/special envoy' (those are the people not subject to Senate confirmation), and that Obama's czar system doesn't really look any different than Bush's so far.

166 Gang of One  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:03:41am

re: #148 aggieann

And if you don't, you'll be czarry!

Czarry, Czarry Knight ... wasn't that a song by Don MacLean?

167 Buster  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:04:23am

re: #47 lawhawk

Yes, now her confirmation goes to the full Senate.

re: #10 wrenchwench

Which, depending on how you want to read the decision by the committee - was bipartisan support. After all, if a GOPer voted with the Democrats, that necessarily means it was bipartisan. However, the media wants to highlight that the GOPers on the panel generally disapproved.

As it is, the whole confirmation process is screwed up - and has been for years now.

And the President also gets to avoid the confirmation process altogether by establishing czars and advisers in roles that are already covered by the Secretaries of the various Departments - ex: Aldolfo Carrion is a housing czar, even though there's a Secretary for Housing and Urban Development. Both do the same thing (or should be doing the same work), but Carrion didn't need Senate confirmation, which means far less scrutiny on his shady dealings. Had Carrion gone through the process, he likely wouldn't have been confirmed.

Using so many "Czars" is a new wrinkle, but the POTUS has a long tradition of consulting "unofficial" advisers, so as to avoid the confirmation process. The term Kitchen Cabinet was first coined during Andrew Jackson's administration, and has been with us ever since, to refer to key presidential advisers who often (but not always) operate under the radar. What Obama has done is give them official titles and put them on the payroll, a uniquely Chicago twist on an old theme.

168 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:06:33am

re: #166 Gang of One

Czarry, Czarry Knight ... wasn't that a song by Don MacLean?

Yes

Czarry czarry knight
Paint your pallette red with debt

169 Gang of One  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:06:34am

re: #165 iceweasel

"Czar" as used by the media means only "person in charge of stuff". It doesn't automatically mean the person is a special advisor and/or wasn't subject to Senate confirmation. The first 'czar' was in the Nixon administration, and Bush had a ton of 'czars', ranging from a 'regulatory czar' to a 'cybersecurity czar' to an "AIDS czar" to a "birdflu czar"

Here's an old article about the Bush admin and czars:
[Link: www.prospect.org...]

BTW, I'm not saying 'Bush did it too', but pointing out that 'czar' doesn't automatically mean 'special advisor/special envoy' (those are the people not subject to Senate confirmation), and that Obama's czar system doesn't really look any different than Bush's so far.

'Czar'. One syllable, easy to remember. Great for the instant sound-byte generation.

170 haakondahl  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:08:35am

re: #43 Walter L. Newton

What? No, what THEY elected they got. DOn't talk for ME. What's with the collective we?

President Obama is my President.

171 redstateredneck  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:08:57am

re: #165 iceweasel

"Czar" as used by the media means only "person in charge of stuff". It doesn't automatically mean the person is a special advisor and/or wasn't subject to Senate confirmation. The first 'czar' was in the Nixon administration, and Bush had a ton of 'czars', ranging from a 'regulatory czar' to a 'cybersecurity czar' to an "AIDS czar" to a "birdflu czar"

Here's an old article about the Bush admin and czars:
[Link: www.prospect.org...]

BTW, I'm not saying 'Bush did it too', but pointing out that 'czar' doesn't automatically mean 'special advisor/special envoy' (those are the people not subject to Senate confirmation), and that Obama's czar system doesn't really look any different than Bush's so far.


President Reagan (1), President George H. W. Bush (1), President Clinton (3), and President George W. Bush (4).
Obama...30 and counting? That's what's different.

172 Ramona  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:10:23am

re: #147 Cato the Elder

Which president was it who started the Czar bullcrap?

Mostly the press. Bless their little hearts.

173 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:17:13am

And now I hope the Republicans in the Senate all vote "No" on ideological grounds just like the guy who nominated Judge SoSo in the first place.

174 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:17:40am
175 iceweasel  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:17:55am

re: #172 Ramona

Mostly the press. Bless their little hearts.

Exactly. The media bestows the term 'czar' because it's shorter and snappier and sexier than saying "Administrator of X, Y, and Z, blah blah blah" or whatever the legal title is.

The only people who are 'czars', in the sense of bypassing Senate confirmation.not subject to subpeona, are the Special Envoy/Advisors. Last I checked Obama only had a few of those (as in, 3 or 4).

I don't like that, but it isn't unprecedented, and I really dislike the whole "ZOMG OBAMA IZ A SEKRIT SOCIALIZT" meme, and this whole "My God! It's full of czars!" bullshit is more of that.

Nonissue.

176 LionOfDixon  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:21:00am

How soon before the loathsome Lindsay Graham (aka Grahamnesty) pulls an Arlen Specter and goes over to the dark side?

177 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:22:29am

re: #173 Abu Al-Poopypants

And now I hope the Republicans in the Senate all vote "No" on ideological grounds just like the guy who nominated Judge SoSo in the first place.

Perhaps they could all vote Present?

178 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:23:33am

re: #175 iceweasel

"My God! It's full of czars!"

I feel compelled to upding you for that line alone.

179 iceweasel  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:27:04am

re: #178 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I feel compelled to upding you for that line alone.

Heh. Thank you. Returned the favour, of course. :)

180 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:30:06am

re: #176 LionOfDixon

How soon before the loathsome Lindsay Graham (aka Grahamnesty) pulls an Arlen Specter and goes over to the dark side?

Lion: Just noticed your nickname. Are you any kin to the Mason Dixon Lions? :)

181 looking closely  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:10:09am

re: #175 iceweasel


I don't like that, but it isn't unprecedented, and I really dislike the whole "ZOMG OBAMA IZ A SEKRIT SOCIALIZT" meme, and this whole "My God! It's full of czars!" bullshit is more of that.

Nonissue.


Agreed.
The term "Czar" has been devalued, to the point where it just now means any Presidential appointee with executive power in any particular area.

As to Obama being a "secret socialist" that's BS too.

The guy is an OPEN socialist, and transparently so, given his economic policy thusfar.

182 BlackFedora  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:03:37pm

For the good of the country may she make wise rulings.

183 LA Conservative  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:06:27pm

re: #7 unrealizedviewpoint

I am with you, except for I call them the Entitlement Lobby, same difference.

184 LA Conservative  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:08:38pm

re: #181 looking closely

You are correct, he is a Socialist of the Marxist persuasion. Some folks call him a fascist, but a fascist has nationalist leanings, and Obama clearly does not like America enough to have nationalist leanings, as evidenced by his mea culpa tours.


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