Video: Glenn Beck Calls Obama a ‘Racist’

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This morning on “Fox and Friends,” Glenn Beck said Barack Obama has a deep-seated hatred for white people and white culture, and is a racist.

Good grief.

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Beck: This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people, or the white culture, I don’t know what it is…

Kilmeade: You can’t say he doesn’t like white people, David Axelrod’s white, Rahm Emmanuel, his chief of staff is white, I think 70% of the people we see every day are white. Robert Gibbs is white…

Beck: I’m not s… I’m not saying that he doesn’t like white people … I’m saying he has a problem. He has a … this guy is, I believe, a racist.

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865 comments

1 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:56:15am

Projection.

2 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:56:49am

Um...OK, I know that Beck is not exactly great at logic, but that's a leap off the nearest cliff.

3 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:56:56am

That's not going to help.

4 haavamaal  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:57:08am

Wow, what a nut.

5 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:57:25am

re: #1 Alouette

Projection.

Time for the "What?!" button. I don't understand that one.

6 prof.young  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:58:05am

He has no problem with white people, many of his best friends are white people.

7 jaunte  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:59:01am
I’m not saying that he doesn’t like white people ... I’m saying he has a problem. He has a ... this guy is, I believe, a racist.

Well that's really a fine definition of racism right there.

8 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:00:03am

re: #1 Alouette

You think Beck is a racist?

9 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:00:07am

I don't know why, but Beck isn't the only right wing pundit who's getting more comfortable with his inner racist.

Yesterday, I heard Rush Limbaugh say, in the middle of a rant about proposed warning stickers on hot dogs, that next they'd want to ban Oreo cookies -- but they'd have to wait until Obama left office.

10 pat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:00:14am

He does have a problem with Western culture.

11 zombie  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:00:24am

Glenn Beck has definitely gone around the bend.

Bye bye, Glenn.

12 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:00:30am

re: #7 jaunte

I’m not saying that he doesn’t like white people ... I’m saying he has a problem. He has a ... this guy is, I believe, a racist.

I have a problem with idiots.

13 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:00:42am

re: #5 Dianna

Time for the "What?!" button. I don't understand that one.

Me beleives Alouette is saying that Beck is a racist "projecting" that onto someone else

14 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:02:09am

Oldie but goodie nutbar rant by Beck:

15 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:02:38am

re: #10 pat

He does have a problem with Western culture.

Then that would be xenophobic, not a racist. Do you know the difference?

16 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:03:00am

Glenn Beck is the Keith Olbermann of Obama era.

17 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:03:27am

re: #9 Charles

I don't know why, but Beck isn't the only right wing pundit who's getting more comfortable with his inner racist.

Yesterday, I heard Rush Limbaugh say, in the middle of a rant about proposed warning stickers on hot dogs, that next they'd want to ban Oreo cookies -- but they'd have to wait until Obama left office.

he's not the 1st, won't be the last

John McLaughlin did it also

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

18 The Curmudgeon  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:03:29am

You people need to understand the deeper meaning of all this. It's not whites that Obama hates, it's natural born Americans with birth certificates.
/birther mode

19 Let's Roll  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:03:37am

There goes Beck again... typical white person. Or at least, I'm guessing that's what BHO would say based on his election-time statements.

20 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:03:37am

He's not a racist - he's a race baiter.

Go ahead, blue herron - ding it down.

Meanwhile, I only watch Fox News for the yummy news babes. Sometimes I'll even take the TV off 'mute.'

21 avspatti  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:04:00am

I think Obama's comments on the Boston cop, Gates event show something of his real feelings as those comments were not rehearsed, but were spontaneous. I was very disappointed in him to be honest. As the president, he needs to be very careful not to interject race into events where it doesn't belong. Since he did not have the facts, he should have kept his opinions to himself. I do hope that this incident is NOT indicative of anything beyond behaving stupidly. The whole thing made me sad.

22 charles_martel  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:04:29am

Well, Obama was quite comfortable with Rev. Wright's frothing hatred for twenty years...

23 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:04:38am

I demand that Beck prove he isn't on George Soros' payroll.

24 beholden  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:04:38am

Obama derangement syndrome is in full swing.

25 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:04:49am

Beck calling Obama a racist makes about as much sense as calling Sgt. Crowley a racist. Too many people are flinging that word around with no regard to reality. Beck says Obama is a racist? Why because he brings up race a lot. Let's see, Barack Obama has the immutable fact that he is a black American -- you think Beck would put two and two together and understand why Obama would make race an issue during his presidency?

26 avspatti  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:04:50am

re: #9 Charles

That was a joke, Charles.

27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:04:51am

Kilmeade isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer either.

Brightest bulb on the tree...

28 redshirt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:04:54am

Charles, are you saying that it is racist to call Obama racist?
Not sure I'm comfortable with that line of reasoning.
I do believe Obama to be racist, as evidenced by all the people he has called friends, especially this weeks dustup. He defaulted to assuming the white cop was stupid.
Even though he is racist, he can still find some white people that he approves of and likes even.

29 restitutor orbis  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:04:59am

Well, maybe he IS...

30 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:05:01am

re: #11 zombie

Glenn Beck has definitely gone around the bend.

Bye bye, Glenn.

Given the kookiness he displays on a regular basis, he's got zero credibility. Yes, 0bama had a longtime association with a notable racist (Rev. Wright), but to call 0bama a racist is just plain stupid.

31 tfc3rid  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:05:22am

He doesn't know any better regarding injecting race into things, he's buddlies with Rev. Wright.

32 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:05:35am

re: #26 avspatti

That was a joke, Charles.

I know. A racist dog whistle joke.

33 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:05:38am

re: #26 avspatti

That was a joke, Charles.

Not a very good one.

34 zombie  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:05:40am

re: #2 Dianna

Um...OK, I know that Beck is not exactly great at logic, but that's a leap off the nearest cliff.

Especially considering that Obama spent hundreds of pages musing about his white mother and grandparents in both of his books. He's obviously not a racist -- he just chose to identify as black. Obama's actually quite confortable in "white" culture.

35 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:05:49am

re: #13 sattv4u2

Me beleives Alouette is saying that Beck is a racist "projecting" that onto someone else

Oh.

I just thought he was nuts.

36 LatinGent  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:05:54am

Beck is out of his mind, but apparently this sells. He`s at the top in ratings for his time slots, which illuminates our problem. People look at him and thinks he`s speaking for us!

37 gonecamping  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:05:57am

He is not racist...he detests capitalism and all capitalists, regardless of race.

38 Let's Roll  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:06:01am

re: #9 Charles

Come on. That's funny. Are we all that sensitive now? I refuse to become part of the always-offended crowd.

39 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:06:06am

re: #26 avspatti

That was a joke, Charles.

Not funny, "Oreo" is like the "n" word, it is racist to use it.

40 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:06:08am

re: #14 lawhawk

Oldie but goodie nutbar rant by Beck:

[Video]

Mmmm... nutbars.

/homer simpson

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:07:03am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Oreos are vegan.

Betcha didn't know that!

I'll bet further that you don't care.

42 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:07:18am

re: #38 Let's Roll

Come on. That's funny. Are we all that sensitive now? I refuse to become part of the always-offended crowd.

"Oreo" is not funny, it is a racist comment.

43 hans  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:07:18am

By cutting our new President infinite slack we are doing him a disservice. The left loves running around flinging accusations at people - he tried the old race card and it bit him. Anybody who sits listening to the Rev. Wright for 20 years is either racist or crushingly stupid.

44 servo cicero  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:07:25am

Beck's just fishing for more "radicals" to tune in to his show. With a statement like that, he endears himself to those individuals who still hide any tangible amount of racism (or don't hide it), however subconscious it is. And they'll feel right at home watching his show.

45 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:07:40am

re: #32 Charles

A racist dog whistle joke.

Never heard that phrase before...I like it.

46 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:07:58am

re: #2 Dianna

Um...OK, I know that Beck is not exactly great at logic, but that's a leap off the nearest cliff.

heh
...
heh heh
...
*cracking up in laughter*

47 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:08:12am

re: #9 Charles

I don't know why, but Beck isn't the only right wing pundit who's getting more comfortable with his inner racist.

Yesterday, I heard Rush Limbaugh say, in the middle of a rant about proposed warning stickers on hot dogs, that next they'd want to ban Oreo cookies -- but they'd have to wait until Obama left office.

Pretty stupid considering that 0bama isn't anything like the common definition of an "Oreo cookie".

48 Buck  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:08:44am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Not funny, "Oreo" is like the "n" word, it is racist to use it.

I read somewhere that Oreos were Kosher, but I have not verified it.

49 jaunte  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:08:51am

re: #43 hans

By cutting our new President infinite slack we are doing him a disservice.

I haven't seen that happening around here. There is a lot of justified criticism of his policies, in fact.

50 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:08:53am

re: #9 Charles

I don't know why, but Beck isn't the only right wing pundit who's getting more comfortable with his inner racist.

Yesterday, I heard Rush Limbaugh say, in the middle of a rant about proposed warning stickers on hot dogs, that next they'd want to ban Oreo cookies -- but they'd have to wait until Obama left office.

He does have a record.

51 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:09:02am
52 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:09:03am

re: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oreos are vegan.

Betcha didn't know that!

I'll bet further that you don't care.

I do care. I'll remember that the next time I am making fun of a vegan.

53 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:09:10am

re: #11 zombie

Glenn Beck has definitely gone around the bend.

Bye bye, Glenn.

I hear his 'shtick' is that he is made half crazy 'from the events around him'.

If this is what his audience is buying then this latest won't hurt him at all.

54 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:10:19am

I only know this Beck by reputation, but I think I can handle my disliking everything about the current president without any of his help, thanks just the same.

55 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:10:32am

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

Even if you're singing the "Guard Song" from the Wizard of Oz, which consists mostly of "O-reo! Or-eeo!"?

No it's not, they are singing "Oh-wee-oh...oho-o." Everyone knows that.

56 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:10:46am
57 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:11:15am

re: #34 zombie

Especially considering that Obama spent hundreds of pages musing about his white mother and grandparents in both of his books. He's obviously not a racist -- he just chose to identify as black. Obama's actually quite confortable in "white" culture.

He did have a Malcom X moment when he renounced his White blood after a meeting with Frank Marshal Davis in Hawaii.
It was after the incident at the bus stop with his mother & the Black vagrant.
That was a while ago.

58 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:11:23am

re: #56 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe I'll just switch to Sunshine Hydrox, though they're difficult to find.

Oreos are a copy of them, anyway.

My grandfather sold those in his store, rather than Oreos. I had half forgotten that until you mentioned it.

59 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:11:31am

re: #56 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe I'll just switch to Sunshine Hydrox, though they're difficult to find.

Oreos are a copy of them, anyway.

No, the icing is totally different taste, and so is the cookie.

60 subsailor68  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:11:35am

Quite frankly, Glenn Beck is becoming a problem for me. Not his off-the-wall rants, conspiracy theories, etc. etc. He's welcome to them, and so are his viewers.

What worries me is that he may end up damaging the reputations of the guests who appear on his show - folks I like and respect - such as John Bolton and Art Laffer. It might be time for them to rethink their willingness to appear with him.

Anyone else find this a potential problem, or am I over thinking this?

61 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:11:40am

re: #56 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe I'll just switch to Sunshine Hydrox, though they're difficult to find.

Oreos are a copy of them, anyway.

There's all kinds of knockoffs; Walmart has a GV clone.

62 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:11:52am
63 KenJen  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:12:24am

Bill Bennett was singing Beck's praises this morning. It really kind of suprised me. Beck needs a time out.

64 JohnnyReb  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:12:24am

re: #55 Walter L. Newton

No it's not, they are singing "Oh-wee-oh...oho-o." Everyone knows that.


I have been totally wrong on that for the past 45+ years...hmmm

65 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:12:56am

re: #56 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe I'll just switch to Sunshine Hydrox, though they're difficult to find.

Oreos are a copy of them, anyway.


Hydrox cookies are making a comeback. Serious.

66 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:12:57am

re: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oreos are vegan.

Betcha didn't know that!

I'll bet further that you don't care.

They used to be made with lard until December 1997.
Getting the lard out: The koshering of the Oreo cookie

67 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:13:18am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Not funny, "Oreo" is like the "n" word, it is racist to use it.

The people I've heard it from are blacks addressing blacks.

68 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:13:19am

I don't like his policies, and I don't like his marxist attitude.

I don't hate him, however.

69 davinvalkri  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:13:24am

What's with all the right-wing pundits going crazy nowadays? We can disagree with Obama without being insulting about it, right?

70 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:13:29am
71 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:13:54am

It's no wonder the racists were recruiting at Tea Parties.

72 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:13:56am

This coming from a man that's got the complexion of a snowball and wears lederhosen?

73 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:14:07am

re: #63 KenJen

Bill Bennett was singing Beck's praises this morning. It really kind of suprised me. Beck needs a time out.

Now that's disappointing.

74 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:14:09am

Oreos and Milk are a food group.

Fact.True.End of Discussion.

Beck's an ass.

75 ROP?LOL  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:14:17am

Sorry all, but I agree. Obama is a racist. Ding away.

76 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:14:29am

re: #72 calcajun

This coming from a man that's got the complexion of a snowball and wears lederhosen?

He's going for that Bruno look.

77 MikeAlv77  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:14:31am

re: #67 Dianna

The people I've heard it from are blacks addressing blacks.

Having grown up in NYC it was always weird that black could call each other the "N" word at full volume on the street but if anyone else even remotely said it they immediately got offended. Strange...

78 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:14:41am
79 gonecamping  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:14:46am

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey

"Oh-wee-oh" is how someone with an Elmer Fudd speech impediment would say, "Oreo."

Now I'm visualizing Elmer singing ..'Eat the Oreo, eat the oreo.' as he stalks the giant oreo with a glass of milk.

80 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:14:48am

re: #65 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hydrox cookies are making a comeback. Serious.


[Link: investor.kelloggs.com...]

81 turn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:14:57am

re: #58 vxbush

My grandfather sold those in his store, rather than Oreos. I had half forgotten that until you mentioned it.

Me too, the half forgotten part. Leave it to buzz, cookie nostalgia. ha

82 charles_martel  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:15:07am

For a self-proclaimed "post-racial" president, he was certainly eager to rush in and call the MDPD stupid and claim racial profiling. There was no profiling at all, the cops were responding to a call, and the 911 caller did not mention that they were black. Our "post-racial" president was eager to inject race into a non-racial event. I think he was having a Wright moment there...

83 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:16:02am

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

"Oreo" is not funny, it is a racist comment.

Then I insist that we get all upset and indignant whenever we hear blacks call each other so.

And hell, I never thought of it as anything except a cookie until I read the term in some interminable and irritating paper in college.

84 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:16:40am

re: #67 Dianna

The people I've heard it from are blacks addressing blacks.

Usually to denigrate them - a black person who "acts white", or turns their back on their race. 0bama may be many things, but he's no "Oreo cookie".

85 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:16:41am

re: #71 Killgore Trout

It's no wonder the racists were recruiting at Tea Parties.

Kevin Bacon must fit into this somehow!

86 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:17:27am

re: #70 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, the Hydrox cookies are less oversweetened than Oreos, and actually taste better.

They did, however, come out first. Nabisco copied them when it first produced Oreos. Also, BTW, Hydrox were kosher back when Oreos were still made with lard.

I'm getting the shakes thinking about the chocolate-dipped Oreos.

87 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:17:41am

re: #60 subsailor68

What worries me is that he may end up damaging the reputations of the guests who appear on his show - folks I like and respect - such as John Bolton and Art Laffer. It might be time for them to rethink their willingness to appear with him.

Anyone else find this a potential problem, or am I over thinking this?


I think that's a problem. People are going to get tarred by association. However, Glenn Beck is only a symptom of a much much larger problem. He has the 3rd top rated show on cable news. If the right was healthy he'd have almost no fans. Fox is fanning the flames of some really bad stuff.

88 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:17:49am

re: #86 Alouette

I'm getting the shakes thinking about the chocolate-dipped Oreos.

Stop it. It's bad enough I can't eat Oreos any more...

*sniff*

89 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:18:01am

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

Glad to hear it. Brings a little bit of Sunshine to my day.

I think their Cheez-Its are waaay better than Nabisco's Cheese Nips.

90 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:18:16am

re: #86 Alouette

I'm getting the shakes thinking about the chocolate-dipped Oreos.

RACIST!

///

91 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:18:25am

OT:

Walked next to Michelle Malkin on the street in Manhattan about an hour ago.

I told her I was going to buy her book, and she thanked me.

She's a hottie.

92 subsailor68  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:18:31am

Well, Obama's mentor, so they say, was a white man - Saul Alinsky. It's all covered in that great movie, When Barry Met Saulie. The scene in the deli, where Saulie fakes an organization, just to prove he can fool anybody is, well, hilarious.

93 MikeAlv77  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:18:46am

re: #89 Ward Cleaver

I think their Cheez-Its are waaay better than Nabisco's Cheese Nips.

Cheez-Its are like crack... you can't eat just one and when the box is open... forget it

94 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:18:47am

re: #86 Alouette

I'm getting the shakes thinking about the chocolate-dipped Oreos.

Actually they are Paszkes, a kosher bakery company. They deliver a chocolate fix that should be illegal.

95 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:18:48am

re: #88 vxbush

Stop it. It's bad enough I can't eat Oreos any more...

*sniff*

Diabetic?

96 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:19:04am

re: #84 Ward Cleaver

Usually to denigrate them - a black person who "acts white", or turns their back on their race. 0bama may be many things, but he's no "Oreo cookie".

Actually, if her weren't President, instead say a bank executive with good diction and clean-cut attire and groomed, inner city urban African Americans would designate him as one

I am NOT saying he is, or defending Beck, Limbaugh or anyone who thinks/ says he is. i'm stating a fact

97 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:19:12am

re: #77 MikeAlv77

Having grown up in NYC it was always weird that black could call each other the "N" word at full volume on the street but if anyone else even remotely said it they immediately got offended. Strange...

If you feel like rebelling against this awful restriction, you'd better find another blog to do it at.

98 avspatti  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:19:21am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Well, I didn't know that. I do know that some (black?) people threw Oreos at some black politician a few years back. Was it that black football player?

BTW I love Oreos . . . with milk. Does that make me a racist? LOL

99 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:19:32am

re: #95 Ward Cleaver

Diabetic?

Can't eat gluten.

100 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:19:36am

re: #84 Ward Cleaver

Usually to denigrate them - a black person who "acts white", or turns their back on their race. 0bama may be many things, but he's no "Oreo cookie".

Rolled onto stage during Michael Steele's run for the Senate, during a debate, IIRC.

101 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:19:39am

re: #84 Ward Cleaver

Usually to denigrate them - a black person who "acts white", or turns their back on their race. 0bama may be many things, but he's no "Oreo cookie".

The really offensive thing to me is that "acting white" is somehow wrong. When I've heard it used, it seems to mean the person in question is successful academically. If doing well in school is somehow not "authentically black," and therefore to be discouraged, we're looking at a whole other set of problems than mere name-calling.

102 razorbacker  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:19:47am

'Racist' is one of those words that is becoming a tool used to derail debate.

If you are losing the debate, sling the 'R' word in and change the topic.

103 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:20:03am

This is Beck in the flush of oratorical outpouring, and a Crapella too!

104 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:20:14am

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey

"Oh-wee-oh" is how someone with an Elmer Fudd speech impediment would say, "Oreo."

From the screen play "O-Ee-Yah! Eoh-Ah"

105 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:20:38am

I watched Beck's show for the first time a couple of weeks ago.

The topics covered were topics I was interested in, but Beck is an intolerable buffoon.

He is impossible to watch.

106 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:20:42am

I don't think Obama is racist in that he hates whites, but I do believe he views the world in terms of racial divides and identity, rather than looking at promoting unity.

107 jaunte  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:20:49am

Becks' attempt to create a new aggrieved victim class and encourage people to join him in feeling put upon is pathetic, and so are those who choose to join it.

108 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:20:52am

re: #84 Ward Cleaver

Usually to denigrate them - a black person who "acts white", or turns their back on their race. 0bama may be many things, but he's no "Oreo cookie".

It's a derogatory term when used by a black person, and it's even more derogatory used by a white person.

109 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:21:01am

re: #93 MikeAlv77

Cheez-Its are like crack... you can't eat just one and when the box is open... forget it

Much better cheese flavor than Cheese Nips.re: #77 MikeAlv77

Having grown up in NYC it was always weird that black could call each other the "N" word at full volume on the street but if anyone else even remotely said it they immediately got offended. Strange...

That's their problem to deal with - and some are trying.

110 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:21:15am
111 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:21:16am

re: #91 Ben Hur

She lost me a while ago. She's advocated pretty much every bogus conspiracy theory over the past six months. She just doesn't haven't any credibility left.

112 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:21:19am

re: #99 vxbush

Can't eat gluten.

Oh, okay.

113 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:21:21am

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey

"Oh-wee-oh" is how someone with an Elmer Fudd speech impediment would say, "Oreo."

So if those Oz guards had speaking role, they would all talk like Elmer Fudd?

114 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:21:21am

re: #98 avspatti

Well, I didn't know that. I do know that some (black?) people threw Oreos at some black politician a few years back. Was it that black football player?

BTW I love Oreos . . . with milk. Does that make me a racist? LOL

Ha ha LOL... yea that's the ticket... NOT, as in not funny!

115 AuntAcid  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:21:50am

Prof. Gates -ooops! [Link: goingconcern.com...]

116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:21:55am

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey

"Oh-wee-oh" is how someone with an Elmer Fudd speech impediment would say, "Oreo."

They are singing "Oh we love... the old one."

I am completely serious.

117 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:21:58am

re: #102 razorbacker

'Racist' is one of those words that is becoming a tool used to derail debate.

If you are losing the debate, sling the 'R' word in and change the topic.

Yeah, as I suspected, a Racist like you would bring that up.

/massive sarc

118 JohnnyReb  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:22:07am

re: #102 razorbacker

'Racist' is one of those words that is becoming a tool used to derail debate.

If you are losing the debate, sling the 'R' word in and change the topic.

It appears to be working quite well. This whole friggin thing would not be an issue if Obama had kept his mouth shut and remembered he is the President of the United States. He is the most powerful man in the "free" world and he acts like a small time thug with a huge chip on his shoulder. He needs to grow up!

119 BlueRoses  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:22:07am

re: #9 Charles

I don't know why, but Beck isn't the only right wing pundit who's getting more comfortable with his inner racist.

Yesterday, I heard Rush Limbaugh say, in the middle of a rant about proposed warning stickers on hot dogs, that next they'd want to ban Oreo cookies -- but they'd have to wait until Obama left office.

I don't know about racism but Obama's knee jerk response to the Gates /Crowley affair was revealing and not very presidential.

120 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:22:24am

re: #111 Killgore Trout

She lost me a while ago. She's advocated pretty much every bogus conspiracy theory over the past six months. She just doesn't haven't any credibility left.

I like her. Like with most people I don't agree with everything she believes.

121 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:22:31am
122 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:22:32am

re: #97 Charles

If you feel like rebelling against this awful restriction, you'd better find another blog to do it at.

Can't we get upset with anyone saying the word? I don't tolerate the word from anyone, and I don't like hearing it between black kids, it upsets me, and I flat don't understand why that's just fine.

123 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:22:53am

re: #108 Charles

It's a derogatory term when used by a black person, and it's even more derogatory used by a white person.

Why, in this day in age, do we have to keep explaining this to anyone?

124 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:23:00am

Now that we can go OT:
More people ganging up on Israel
Carter, Tutu to visit region next month

An international group of veteran statesmen anti-Semites says it will send a delegation including former US President Jimmy Carter and Nobel peace laureate Desmond Tutu to Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip next month.


(Correction above is mine)

The Elders group says it wants to support Israelis and Palestinians seeking peace. The delegation, led by former Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso, is set to arrive in late August to meet young Israelis and Palestinians, community organizers, business leaders and others "who are working hard for peaceful coexistence."


So I guess they won't be meeting any Palis, then.
And isn't it funny that the group calls itself the "Elders", but they are not "of Zion"?

125 tfc3rid  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:23:18am

re: #122 Dianna

Can't we get upset with anyone saying the word? I don't tolerate the word from anyone, and I don't like hearing it between black kids, it upsets me, and I flat don't understand why that's just fine.

Completely agree... I hear it all the time and I just don't get it...

It's sad.

126 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:23:19am
127 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:23:40am

re: #122 Dianna

Can't we get upset with anyone saying the word? I don't tolerate the word from anyone, and I don't like hearing it between black kids, it upsets me, and I flat don't understand why that's just fine.

Absolutely, you can get upset about anyone saying it. For example, I wasn't happy when I heard Rush Limbaugh say that yesterday.

128 KingKenrod  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:23:48am

Here is a longer clip of the exchange, where Beck tries to back up his claim:

129 KenJen  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:24:06am

re: #88 vxbush

Stop it. It's bad enough I can't eat Oreos any more...

*sniff*

Have you tried the Oreo Cakesters. They are a soft version of the Oreo. Nummy. They also have vanilla and strawberry shortcake versions. I'm addicted to them.

130 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:24:07am

re: #100 SasquatchOnSteroids

Rolled onto stage during Michael Steele's run for the Senate, during a debate, IIRC.

Steele took an awful beating from African American Dem officials in Maryland. I heard him interviewed on the subject & it apprently got really nasty.

131 MikeAlv77  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:24:07am

re: #122 Dianna

Can't we get upset with anyone saying the word? I don't tolerate the word from anyone, and I don't like hearing it between black kids, it upsets me, and I flat don't understand why that's just fine.

Sorry for making that comment but I wasn't saying I was using the word. Just making an observation on the hypocrisy of it all...

132 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:24:31am

re: #116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They are singing "Oh we love... the old one."

I am completely serious.

See my re: #104 Walter L. Newton from the screen play.

133 razorbacker  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:24:32am

A shame that some enterprising soul can't market a cookie combining the Hydrox filling with the Oreo cookie part.

I'd be willing to make the sacrifice and be part of the test market.

Always willing to make the hard choices.

134 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:24:47am

re: #98 avspatti

Well, I didn't know that. I do know that some (black?) people threw Oreos at some black politician a few years back. Was it that black football player?

BTW I love Oreos . . . with milk. Does that make me a racist? LOL

Do you mean Lynn Swann? I hadn't heard that about his campaign.

135 LionOfDixon  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:25:19am

Didn't Obama, by stating that the Cambridge police officer acted "stupidly", without knowing all the facts, imply that the arrest had a racial basis? What would be the difference if Obama came out and said police acted stupidly when they arrested O.J. Simpson (which time makes no difference.)

It seems that his gut reaction, unscripted and without being poll-tested, was to immediately side with the unfounded accusations of his friend, rather than ackowledge the possiblibity (and what now seems beyond cavil) that race had no place in this incident, until the "illustrious" Prof. Gates made it one. How is that not racist?

136 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:25:25am
137 J.S.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:25:49am

re: #124 Kosh's Shadow

that is just creepy -- especially by referring to themselves as "elders" (and yeah, how could anyone not get the association with the Protocols?)...Thoroughly despicable.

138 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:25:59am

re: #127 Charles

Absolutely, you can get upset about anyone saying it. For example, I wasn't happy when I heard Rush Limbaugh say that yesterday.

I was lying on my couch feeling sorry for myself yesterday.

139 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:26:03am

re: #98 avspatti

Well, I didn't know that. I do know that some (black?) people threw Oreos at some black politician a few years back. Was it that black football player?

BTW I love Oreos . . . with milk. Does that make me a racist? LOL

It was Michael Steele, I believe.

140 Land Shark  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:26:07am

It's just too easy to call people racist, the Left does it all the time whether is justified or not. Unfortunately now we see people on the Right doing it.

I think Obama's ill advised comments on the Cambridge police are stupid, petty, inappropriate and indicative of the victim mindset prevalent in too many people. And that he's obviously not afraid to play the race card when it suits him. But I don't believe he's a racist. He may be a Marxist, a fraud and a liar, but I don't see any evidence he's a racist.

141 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:26:17am

re: #133 razorbacker

A shame that some enterprising soul can't market a cookie combining the Hydrox filling with the Oreo cookie part.

I'd be willing to make the sacrifice and be part of the test market.

Always willing to make the hard choices.

I have a brand new respect for you.

142 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:26:24am

re: #131 MikeAlv77

Sorry for making that comment but I wasn't saying I was using the word. Just making an observation on the hypocrisy of it all...

No problem.

143 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:26:36am

re: #124 Kosh's Shadow

Now that we can go OT:
More people ganging up on Israel
Carter, Tutu to visit region next month


So I guess they won't be meeting any Palis, then.
And isn't it funny that the group calls itself the "Elders", but they are not "of Zion"?

If I were the Israelis, I'd deny Tutu entry.

144 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:26:41am

re: #136 buzzsawmonkey

...and I promise to stop referring to the black-and-white throw on my floor as an "oreo rug."

Keeping it down so you can walk all over it, huh? Oppressor!

145 blueherron  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:26:46am

re: #96 sattv4u2

Actually, if her weren't President, instead say a bank executive with good diction and clean-cut attire and groomed, inner city urban African Americans would designate him as one

I am NOT saying he is, or defending Beck, Limbaugh or anyone who thinks/ says he is. i'm stating a fact

No, you're stating an opinion. And I disagree. Times have changed, I guess, since the last time you had dealings with inner city urban African Americans, I can assure you.,

146 LionOfDixon  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:27:01am

re: #106 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bravo...you hit it right on the head...

147 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:27:13am

re: #136 buzzsawmonkey

...and I promise to stop referring to the black-and-white throw on my floor as an "oreo rug."

Groan.

148 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:27:37am

re: #91 Ben Hur

OT:

Walked next to Michelle Malkin on the street in Manhattan about an hour ago.

I told her I was going to buy her book, and she thanked me.

She's a hottie.

She is beautiful in person - even more than on screen. Speaking of racism, she gets some pretty nasty mail. She had some up on her site yesterday.

149 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:27:43am
150 voirdire  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:27:43am

The State Department says it has revoked the diplomatic visas for four Honduran officials working in its interim government.

151 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:28:05am

re: #138 Dianna


I was lying on my couch feeling sorry for myself yesterday.

I missed seeing you here yesterday, but maybe we're all better off!

152 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:28:06am

re: #107 jaunte

Who's "FullRoller", and why'd he/she downding you?

153 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:28:33am

re: #151 debutaunt

I missed seeing you here yesterday, but maybe we're all better off!

Oh, you were. Miserable day.

154 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:28:35am

re: #71 Killgore Trout

If by that, you mean they were trying to tap into the dissatisfaction of the voters and recruit, I agree.

155 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:28:55am

re: #127 Charles

Absolutely, you can get upset about anyone saying it. For example, I wasn't happy when I heard Rush Limbaugh say that yesterday.

Rush used the n-word?

156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:29:03am

re: #132 Walter L. Newton

See my re: #104 Walter L. Newton from the screen play.

There are many alleged lyrics to the "Winkie Chant" performed by the Witch's guards, including "All we own, we owe her", "Oh we love the old one", and "Oh we loathe the old one". However, the correct version, seen in the film's screenplay, is "O-Ee-Yah! Eoh-Ah!" and any other interpretations are simply the result of the listener's mind treating the chant as an audio ink blot.

SONOFABITCH!

157 jaunte  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:29:12am

re: #152 Dianna

Never spoken to them. Maybe they're excited about being member of the new victim class.

158 subsailor68  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:29:13am

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

Rahm Emmanuel used to be a ballet dancer. He could bring Tutu in.

Good point. Then Rahm could make a plie for moderation.

159 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:29:14am

re: #136 buzzsawmonkey

...and I promise to stop referring to the black-and-white throw on my floor as an "oreo rug."

Fer cryin' out loud, oreover this yet?

/obviously not!

160 gmsc  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:29:14am

re: #55 Walter L. Newton

No it's not, they are singing "Oh-wee-oh...oho-o." Everyone knows that.

If the Wizard of Oz guards worked for 0bama:

"All we own . . . we ooowe . . . All we own . . . we ooowe . . . "

161 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:29:25am

I hate it when ANY side uses it

But the sad part is, use it against an African American of the DEM persuasion, BAD! Wailing and gnashing of teeth and tar and feathering the entire conservative side as racist and prejudice

Depict an African American of the REPUB persuaion (Condi Rice photo shopped as Aunt Jemima, calling Supreme Court Justice Thomas an uncle Tom!) eh ,,, "don't be so sensitive,, it's a JOKE"

162 BlueRoses  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:29:25am

re: #82 charles_martel

For a self-proclaimed "post-racial" president, he was certainly eager to rush in and call the MDPD stupid and claim racial profiling. There was no profiling at all, the cops were responding to a call, and the 911 caller did not mention that they were black. Our "post-racial" president was eager to inject race into a non-racial event. I think he was having a Wright moment there...

You have that right but shhh you aren't supposed to bring it up.

163 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:29:33am

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

From the screen play "O-Ee-Yah! Eoh-Ah"

OT: Years ago I worked in a shipyard. The yard employed a rather large number of, for want of a better term, "little people" (is it offensive to call them "midgets"?) because they could get into tight spaces in tanks and small compartments. Occasionally you would see a group of them marching through the yard in formation and chanting that line.

Or alternatively, "Hi ho! HI ho! it's off to work we go!".

You couldn't help but to laugh out loud...

164 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:29:51am
165 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:29:55am

re: #138 Dianna

I was lying on my couch feeling sorry for myself yesterday.

{Dianna}

166 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:30:07am
167 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:30:07am

re: #145 blueherron

No, you're stating an opinion. And I disagree. Times have changed, I guess, since the last time you had dealings with inner city urban African Americans, I can assure you.,

You're right. Much has changed since last Friday!

168 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:30:10am

What do we do with all the Dalmatians? I mean, the whole breed has a race identity issue.//

169 BringMeTuri  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:30:10am

I remember when Beck had a radio show back around 2003. He used to do voices, ala the great and MUCH MISSED Phil Hendrie.

Phil, where did you go??

170 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:30:18am

re: #129 KenJen

Have you tried the Oreo Cakesters. They are a soft version of the Oreo. Nummy. They also have vanilla and strawberry shortcake versions. I'm addicted to them.

No. Uses flour -> has gluten -> off limits. And the fake Oreos made by Glutino that are gluten-free are just awful.

171 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:30:24am

re: #135 LionOfDixon

One point - we all tend to excuse our family and friends.

172 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:30:31am

re: #156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There are many alleged lyrics to the "Winkie Chant" performed by the Witch's guards, including "All we own, we owe her", "Oh we love the old one", and "Oh we loathe the old one". However, the correct version, seen in the film's screenplay, is "O-Ee-Yah! Eoh-Ah!" and any other interpretations are simply the result of the listener's mind treating the chant as an audio ink blot.

SONOFABITCH!

Right, and guess what, they were not REAL MONKEYS...

173 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:30:43am
174 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:30:43am
175 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:30:52am

re: #128 KingKenrod

Thanks for posting the unedited clip. It doesn't change Beck's (stupid) accusation but it's always nice to see things in context.

176 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:31:12am

re: #152 Dianna

Who's "FullRoller", and why'd he/she downding you?

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177 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:31:14am

Dr Keith Ablow said essentially the same thing (Obama is racist) on Beck's TV show yesterday.

178 JohnnyReb  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:31:20am

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

Right, and guess what, they were not REAL MONKEYS...

WHAT???!!!

179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:31:30am

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

Right, and guess what, they were not REAL MONKEYS...

SHUT UP! (fingers in ears)

180 Land Shark  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:31:43am

re: #77 MikeAlv77

I believe if black people don't want others to use the "N" word, they shouldn't use it themselves. I don't call other white people "honkie" or "cracker."

However, whether they use the "N" word among themselves or not, I have no desire or intention of using it. It's a word that was meant to hurt and cause offense, something I don't wish to do. I'm no racist and I don't want people thinking I am. That's the bottom line to me.

181 MikeAlv77  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:31:46am

re: #167 sattv4u2

You're right. Much has changed since last Friday!

I agree. I was volunteering preparing taxes in a local community ( Coatesville, PA ) just a few months ago and this same term was being thrown around at some people taking local community college classes...

182 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:31:54am

re: #164 Attaboid

Bye now.

183 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:31:59am

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

Rahm Emmanuel used to be a ballet dancer. He could bring Tutu in.

Another en pointe comment.

184 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:32:11am

I think he has issues.

185 medaura18586  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:32:21am
Beck: This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people, or the white culture, I don’t know what it is...

I wish someone would let me into this white culture I keep hearing about. So far I'm clueless as to what it's about and last time I checked, I was Caucasian.

186 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:32:25am

re: #153 Dianna

The family situation? Hang in there, Dianna.

187 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:32:48am

re: #181 MikeAlv77

I agree. I was volunteering preparing taxes in a local community ( Coatesville, PA ) just a few months ago and this same term was being thrown around at some people taking local community college classes...

Not acording to Blue Herron!

188 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:33:00am

Chop 174 if you haven't already.
I quoted the prick.

189 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:33:08am

When is a tax not a tax? When they call it a fee. Sen. Baucus (D-MT) said that he's intent on taxing high-value health insurance policies but that it will be treated as a fee instead. Sen. Stabenow (D-MI) hoped to raise $90 billion by targeting health plans worth $25,000 or more.

190 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:33:34am

White Man's Greed

191 razorbacker  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:33:34am

re: #141 debutaunt

I'm confident that I'll manage to say something soon to fix that.

I used to call on a direct account in Houston that was in smelling distance from the Nabisco plant where they made Oreo cookies. I learned to schedule them after lunch.

192 jaunte  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:33:43am

re: #185 medaura18586

Hey, I know someone from the Caucasus!

193 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:34:02am

re: #155 Ward Cleaver

Rush used the n-word?

No, he mentioned Oreos.

I despair. Do we need to designate the name of a cookie as the "o" word? I really hope not.

I remember when the first suggestions about banning transfats came out, and I was making jokes about becoming an Oreo smuggler, and that there would be Oreo pushers hanging out around schools.

After today, I shall have to carefully check any such thought or joke for nuances that never once crossed my mind before.

194 MikeAlv77  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:34:10am

re: #180 Land Shark

I believe if black people don't want others to use the "N" word, they shouldn't use it themselves. I don't call other white people "honkie" or "cracker."

However, whether they use the "N" word among themselves or not, I have no desire or intention of using it. It's a word that was meant to hurt and cause offense, something I don't wish to do. I'm no racist and I don't want people thinking I am. That's the bottom line to me.


Totally agree with you since I am hispanic and have been called lots of names before. I would never use it and if I tried when I was growning up my mom would have back handed me across the room. My point was the whole hypocrisy of it. Use it between people of the same race = OK, someone outside the race uses the same term in the same context (heard it on the streets ) = offended.

195 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:34:16am

re: #192 jaunte

Hey, I know someone from the Caucasus!

I once went to a caucus, does that count??

196 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:34:32am
197 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:34:50am

re: #189 lawhawk

When is a tax not a tax? When they call it a fee. Sen. Baucus (D-MT) said that he's intent on taxing high-value health insurance policies but that it will be treated as a fee instead. Sen. Stabenow (D-MI) hoped to raise $90 billion by targeting health plans worth $25,000 or more.

So, Obamacare forces you to have insurance, but if you have good insurance, they'll tax you for it. Baucus and Stabenow should hope their own fancy health plan covers removal of head from ass.

198 Gang of One  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:34:57am

re: #102 razorbacker

'Racist' is one of those words that is becoming a tool used to derail debate.

If you are losing the debate, sling the 'R' word in and change the topic.

Kind of like Godwin's Law, where the first person to call the other a Nazi loses the debate? It seems to fit the pattern.

199 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:35:20am

re: #193 Dianna

After today, I shall have to carefully check any such thought or joke for nuances that never once crossed my mind before.

Newances?

200 J.S.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:35:28am

re: #175 Killgore Trout

hmmm...they're all sitting there and yakking about Obama's alleged hatred of white people -- and, dare i note, they're all white...(Fox "news" has "issues" imo)...

201 Buck  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:35:40am

re: #91 Ben Hur

OT:

Walked next to Michelle Malkin on the street in Manhattan about an hour ago.

I told her I was going to buy her book, and she thanked me.

She's a hottie.

I want to ask why she isn't on O'Reilly any more.

202 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:35:46am

re: #193 Dianna

No, he mentioned Oreos.

I despair. Do we need to designate the name of a cookie as the "o" word? I really hope not.

No, I don't think we need to do that. But it's not cool to use it as a derogatory term for Barack Obama.

203 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:35:56am

re: #189 lawhawk

When is a tax not a tax? When they call it a fee. Sen. Baucus (D-MT) said that he's intent on taxing high-value health insurance policies but that it will be treated as a fee instead. Sen. Stabenow (D-MI) hoped to raise $90 billion by targeting health plans worth $25,000 or more.

The reason the D's are adding all sorts of "fees" is that unlike new taxes- fees do not require a vote. I see many news "fees" in our future as a nation.

204 BlueRoses  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:35:59am

re: #199 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Newances?

Waht have you got against News??? Huh?

205 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:36:12am

re: #196 buzzsawmonkey

Giant government! Fee--fie! Faux! Fume.

Oh, that was a giant comeback.

206 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:36:35am

re: #197 doppelganglander

So, Obamacare forces you to have insurance, but if you have good insurance, they'll tax you for it. Baucus and Stabenow should hope their own fancy health plan covers removal of head from ass.

The Dems truly are intent on destroying private health insurance.

207 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:36:39am

re: #170 vxbush

You poor, poor thing!

208 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:36:51am

re: #124 Kosh's Shadow

Now that we can go OT:
More people ganging up on Israel
Carter, Tutu to visit region next month

So I guess they won't be meeting any Palis, then.
And isn't it funny that the group calls itself the "Elders", but they are not "of Zion"?

They are the Elders of Anti-Zion.

209 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:36:56am

re: #204 BlueRoses

I like your avatar...is that your kitten?

210 gregb  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:37:02am

I think the loony left's definition of a racist is anyone that doesn't agree with them on their definition of racist.

211 BlueRoses  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:37:27am

re: #201 Buck

I want to ask why she isn't on O'Reilly any more.

She was on Fox yesterday. Can't remember if it was O'Reily.

212 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:37:44am

re: #207 Dianna

You poor, poor thing!

I have found a recipe for gluten-free Oreo-style cookies, but I haven't had the guts to make them. I would be so depressed if they were terrible.

213 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:37:47am

re: #206 Ward Cleaver

The Dems truly are intent on destroying private health insurance.

Yup, but it's hard to convince people who believe Obama's lie that you'll be able to keep your current plan.

214 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:38:06am

re: #198 Gang of One

Kind of like Godwin's Law, where the first person to call the other a Nazi loses the debate? It seems to fit the pattern.

I think there should be a corollary to Godwin's Law, where the first person to claim victimhood as Jesus loses the debate (like Pat Buchanan comparing Demjanjuk to Jesus).

215 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:38:19am

re: #212 vxbush

I have found a recipe for gluten-free Oreo-style cookies, but I haven't had the guts to make them. I would be so depressed if they were terrible.

I'm so sad for you. Can you still eat a regular chocolate bar, or chocolate ice cream?

216 formercorpsman  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:38:24am

re: #206 Ward Cleaver

It sure seems that way.

217 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:38:24am

re: #202 Charles

No, I don't think we need to do that. But it's not cool to use it as a derogatory term for Barack Obama.

I will say, my first thought when you quoted that was that Limbaugh was talking about the fact the Obamas have little kids. Then I put it back into context. Really, my problem is that I don't think of cookies that way, or people.

218 Baelzar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:38:37am

God dammit.

Conservatism of any stripe will be doomed for a generation with spokespeople of this nature.

Between Beck, O'Reilly, Rush and Hannity...you have to wonder if they aren't paid by the left to say these things.

219 BlueRoses  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:38:51am

re: #209 Desert Dog

I like your avatar...is that your kitten?

No I wish it was. It is an old AOL avatar. Don't tell on me :)

220 LionOfDixon  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:38:56am

re: #171 Dianna

However, we are all not President at a televised news conference, speaking as the President. This issue tends to show me that Mr. Obama is not ready to be President...it was, as most of his Presidency has been so far, amateur hour.

Obama showed us again his intrinsic arrogance by passing judgment on the Cambridge police, and really police generally. He knew he did not know the facts, and yet, speaking as President (not simply as a friend of Gates) decided his Solomon-like reasoning was enough to condemn the poor cop who was only doing his job.

A much humbler President, say Reagan or Bush would simply have said "I don't know enough to comment" and let it go at that. But no. The One has to have a say on everything, because he's just too damn smart not to. Rather odd for the candidate who was hailed as "post-racial."

221 subsailor68  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:39:10am

On the topic of Obamacare, Dennis Prager has a pretty succinct list of questions I hope Republicans and Democrats in the House and Senate will ask:

10 Questions for Supporters of 'ObamaCare'

Sometimes I agree with Prager, sometimes not. Looks like he's gotten this one right.

222 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:39:14am

re: #210 gregb

I think the loony left's definition of a racist is anyone that doesn't agree with them on their definition of racist.

According to the radical left any conservative who has just won an argument is either a racist, a sexist, or a homophobe.

223 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:39:36am

re: #219 BlueRoses

No I wish it was. It is an old AOL avatar. Don't tell on me :)

I'll keep that bit of information for later...you know, when I need a favor from you. :-)

224 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:39:41am

re: #218 Baelzar

God dammit.

Conservatism of any stripe will be doomed for a generation with spokespeople of this nature.

Between Beck, O'Reilly, Rush and Hannity...you have to wonder if they aren't paid by the left to say these things.

No true Scotsman.

225 Land Shark  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:39:54am

re: #169 BringMeTuri

I think Phil Hendrie retired. Before he moved to Los Angeles back in '96 or '97, he spent about 5-6 years here in Miami doing his thing. He was and still is the funniest man I've ever heard on the radio. He once did a bit pretending he was Hulk Hogan and Randy "Macho Man" Savage discussing the merits of maxi feminine hygiene pads vs. mini feminine hygiene pads that was so funny I had to pull over the side of the road I was laughing so hard. He did those two voices perfectly, I regret I wasn't able to record that hysterical bit. He was incredible.

226 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:40:16am

re: #186 debutaunt

The family situation? Hang in there, Dianna.

Family situation resembles...I have no good simile. A friend of my mother's called me at work this morning, which just doesn't improve my life.

Disaster, disaster!

227 Buck  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:40:19am

re: #211 BlueRoses

She was on Fox yesterday. Can't remember if it was O'Reily.

Yes, I still see her on Fox, just not on O'Reilly. She used to be a substitute host...

228 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:40:41am

I think the root cause of problem is the POTUS commenting on a fairly minor local law enforcement issue at all, let alone running his mouth before he had any real information.

Just my 2 cents and worth what it cost ya.

229 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:40:53am

One consequence of the casual abuse of the word "racist" is the mainstreaming of genuine racists like Willis Carto and the Council of Conservative Citizens.
With the term virtually meaningless, it is difficult to warn the public or the media about the real thing.

"Don't listen to the CCC! They're racists!"
"Yeah, sure, they said that about the Girl Scouts too."

"Don't you know that this Willis Carto cat is a notorious racist?"
"*Yawn* Who cares? They say that about McCain, Palin and even Obama himself."

230 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:40:55am

re: #222 CIA Reject

According to the radical left any conservative who has just won an argument is either a racist, a sexist, or a homophobe.

According to the radical left no conservative has ever won an argument, evah.

231 BlueRoses  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:40:56am

re: #222 CIA Reject

According to the radical left any conservative who has just won an argument is either a racist, a sexist, or a homophobe.

You forgot stupid. Heh.

232 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:40:59am

re: #213 doppelganglander

Yup, but it's hard to convince people who believe Obama's lie that you'll be able to keep your current plan.

Until it's taken away.

Can you imagine trying to un-do this thing once it's in effect? A nightmare. It'll take on a life of its own, with plenty of government union employees as a constituency.

233 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:41:01am

I would not call Obama a racist. But I can understand people who do. He spent 20 years in a racist church. Hard to describe Trinity United Church of Christ any other way. Especially with Wright's veneration James Cone and Black Liberation Theology. BLT believes in the supremacy of the Black race, pure and simple.

I'm not saying Obama thinks that way. He probably belonged to the church for political reasons. He admitted in one of his books that the Church gave him street cred.

I'm sure there are many members of the church who aren't racists. But the principles of BLT are by definition racists.

He belonged to the church for 20 years. Brought his little girls there. Carried them in. With his background, he should be very careful what he says about race relations. And who acts stupidly.

Once again, I don't think Obama is a racists.

234 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:41:15am

Obama is not a racist, but he knows how to use race to cynically push Limbaugh's and Beck's buttons when he needs to focus other places than on his failures.

235 BlueRoses  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:41:29am

re: #223 Desert Dog

I'll keep that bit of information for later...you know, when I need a favor from you. :-)

DAYUM!

236 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:41:38am

re: #226 Dianna

Family situation resembles...I have no good simile. A friend of my mother's called me at work this morning, which just doesn't improve my life.

Disaster, disaster!

Hang tough.

237 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:42:02am

re: #202 Charles

No, I don't think we need to do that. But it's not cool to use it as a derogatory term for Barack Obama.

It's not cool to use it as a derogatory term, period. Everyone remember when this was done to Michael Steele? When he had Oreo cookies thrown at him? If it's not good to do to Steele, it's not good to do to Obama.

238 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:42:35am

Racialist.

239 clgood  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:43:06am

I've got no dog in the Glenn Beck hunt (I've scarcely ever heard him) but what, exactly, did you think "community organizer" meant?

Maybe "racist" is too charged and abused a word to have a useful meaning but if, like me, you think it means treating people prejudicially based solely on race, then The One would certainly qualify (as would pretty much the entire Democratic party and a small, but vocal, minority of the Republicans).

240 BlueRoses  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:43:16am

re: #228 Van Helsing

I think the root cause of problem is the POTUS commenting on a fairly minor local law enforcement issue at all, let alone running his mouth before he had any real information.

Just my 2 cents and worth what it cost ya.

Sure you are right. Joe Cool flubbed it and we love it :))

241 razorbacker  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:43:21am

re: #189 lawhawk

That reminded me of the good folks up in Rogers, AR.

This cool, wet summer has fewer people watering their lawns, and the poor economy has companies using less water (in addition to fewer commodities in general). Revenues to the water company are down. Solution?

Raise water rates.

Will the rates fall when demand picks back up? I doubt it.

Proposed Rate Increase

Government makes a mistake, so the people must pay.

"We didn't do a very good job of anticipating our drop in demand," McAlister said. "We anticipated our expenses very well. Our margins were really thin anyway. We always tried to keep our water rates really low because people need water to live."

242 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:43:25am

re: #237 Honorary Yooper

It's not cool to use it as a derogatory term, period. Everyone remember when this was done to Michael Steele? When he had Oreo cookies thrown at him? If it's not good to do to Steele, it's not good to do to Obama.

Well, if Billy threw his Oreo cookie off a cliff...

243 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:44:03am

re: #215 doppelganglander

I'm so sad for you. Can you still eat a regular chocolate bar, or chocolate ice cream?

Chocolate bars, yes; but I have to actually read the labels on ice cream, as some have wheat in them! The world has gone mad, I tell you.

244 Buck  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:44:12am

Define Racist...

The belief that ones Race is superior to everyone else's.

I don't think he is a Racist, but I do think he will say whatever he think the crowd wants to hear.

I would say he is a ZELIG for sure. A "human chameleon".

245 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:44:20am

OT- Weird sighting.

On the way back from lunch I pull up behind a Smart Car.
the Smart Car is sitting on the RR tracks (not often used except at lunch time) and is sporting a 1776 sticker from the tea parties.

246 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:44:53am

re: #224 Gus 802

No true Scotsman.

Not necessarily - I think that was a cry of despair and frustration, not an intellectual fallacy.

247 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:45:00am

re: #230 SasquatchOnSteroids

Well, "won" as in leaving the LLL in a rhetorical situation from which he/she cannot escape...

re: #231 BlueRoses

Yes, I did at that...

Love your avatar BTW!

248 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:45:17am

Somedays you just have to rise above the fray..
While you are there check out this really cool picture from space.
[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]

249 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:45:17am
250 blueherron  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:45:23am

re: #181 MikeAlv77

I agree. I was volunteering preparing taxes in a local community ( Coatesville, PA ) just a few months ago and this same term was being thrown around at some people taking local community college classes...

I think we're confusing terms here. Were your clients calling eachother as oreo cookies, because that's the term sattv4u was referring to in his post about "groomed" "with good diction," that I replied to.

251 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:46:02am

re: #228 Van Helsing

I think the root cause of problem is the POTUS commenting on a fairly minor local law enforcement issue at all, let alone running his mouth before he had any real information.

Just my 2 cents and worth what it cost ya.

It was not very Presidential, that is fer sure. He should not be commenting on an incident like that. I know Gates is his friend, but now that more facts are out, he has come across very poorlyre: #134 Ward Cleaver

Do you mean Lynn Swann? I hadn't heard that about his campaign.

My brother-in-law is an American of Mexican descent. He told me his relatives that still like in Mexico call him a "coconut" because he is "brown" on the outside and "white" in the middle. He thinks it's pretty funny. But, I can see how some would not.

252 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:46:05am

re: #243 vxbush

Chocolate bars, yes; but I have to actually read the labels on ice cream, as some have wheat in them! The world has gone mad, I tell you.

Make your own ice cream. Really easy.

253 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:46:35am

re: #246 Dianna

Not necessarily - I think that was a cry of despair and frustration, not an intellectual fallacy.

Yeah, was thinking about that. Maybe a cousin of "no true Scotsman."

254 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:46:41am

re: #245 Eowyn2

OT- Weird sighting.

On the way back from lunch I pull up behind a Smart Car.
the Smart Car is sitting on the RR tracks (not often used except at lunch time) and is sporting a 1776 sticker from the tea parties.

Smart Car, Stupid Driver.

Never, never ever sit on the railroad tracks unless you want to commit suicide and want to cause the engineer of the locomotive some massive psychological trauma. Only complete selfish dipshits do that.

255 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:46:42am
256 KenJen  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:46:42am

re: #248 HoosierHoops

Somedays you just have to rise above the fray..
While you are there check out this really cool picture from space.
[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]

Really cool. Kinda looks like a lily pad in bloom.

257 MikeAlv77  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:46:52am

re: #250 blueherron

I think we're confusing terms here. Were your clients calling eachother as oreo cookies, because that's the term sattv4u was referring to in his post about "groomed" "with good diction," that I replied to.

Some of the clients in the community center were calling the ones attending the community college classes that name. Both were of the same race.

258 avspatti  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:47:09am

re: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oreos are vegan.

Betcha didn't know that!

I'll bet further that you don't care.

Well! Now you've gone and ruined them for me! LOL

259 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:47:12am

Are TV or advertising execs racist for having to consider race in most decisions they make?

260 Land Shark  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:47:50am

re: #194 MikeAlv77

I know where you're coming from. On my father's side I'm Italian, on my mother's side I'm Cuban, so I've heard my share of insults for both. I was able to never let it bother me. I've never heard Italians or Cubans use those terms among themselves, though.

261 KansasMom  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:47:54am

re: #249 buzzsawmonkey

A Smart Car that's sitting on the railroad tracks has a Dumb Driver.

Or is trying to end its misery.

262 JohnnyReb  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:47:55am

re: #241 razorbacker

That reminded me of the good folks up in Rogers, AR.

This cool, wet summer has fewer people watering their lawns, and the poor economy has companies using less water (in addition to fewer commodities in general). Revenues to the water company are down. Solution?

Raise water rates.

Will the rates fall when demand picks back up? I doubt it.

Proposed Rate Increase

Government makes a mistake, so the people must pay.

Same thing with airline tickets. They still have a fuel surcharge on them. That is never going to go away.

263 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:48:07am

re: #247 CIA Reject

Well, "won" as in leaving the LLL in a rhetorical situation from which he/she cannot escape...

re: #231 BlueRoses

Yes, I did at that...

Love your avatar BTW!

Yeah, I knew what you were going for, that's why I updinged ya.

264 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:48:09am

re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar

Make your own ice cream. Really easy.

I know. But that's a problem area in our family. If we did that, we'd eat ice cream morning, noon, and night. We get ice cream way too often as it is. Having an ice cream maker at the house would just be diabolical to our waistlines.

265 shortshrift  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:48:21am

re: #108 Charles

I am really curious. How is it more derogatory when used by a white person than by a black person?
As used by a black it means that the black person has sold out to the man -to white culture. It is the new form of the old Uncle Tom insult.
As used by a white?

266 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:48:38am

re: #259 Ben Hur

Are TV or advertising execs racist for having to consider race in most decisions they make?

Targeted marketing uses racial profiling. The Police use it too. Sometimes it is not a bad thing. Sometimes it is.

267 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:48:50am

re: #259 Ben Hur

Are TV or advertising execs racist for having to consider race in most decisions they make?

That depends - are they white?

///Because everybody knows that only white people can be racists...

268 MikeAlv77  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:48:54am

re: #260 Land Shark

I know where you're coming from. On my father's side I'm Italian, on my mother's side I'm Cuban, so I've heard my share of insults for both. I was able to never let it bother me. I've never heard Italians or Cubans use those terms among themselves, though.

Ecuador on one side and Puerto Rico on the other. And yes, I have never heard the family use those terms amongst ourselves.

269 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:49:01am

Is there a correct term (racist isn't it IMO), that describes someone who regularlyre: #214 Alouette

I think there should be a corollary to Godwin's Law, where the first person to claim victimhood as Jesus loses the debate (like Pat Buchanan comparing Demjanjuk to Jesus).

How about Alouette's law?

270 Sponge  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:49:16am

I think the white side is starting to take the black approach to racism. Just start blaming until something sticks. I mean, it's been working for Sharpton for years.

271 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:49:31am

re: #259 Ben Hur

Are TV or advertising execs racist for having to consider race in most decisions they make?

Excellent point.

272 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:49:41am

re: #263 SasquatchOnSteroids

Yeah, I knew what you were going for, that's why I updinged ya.

Thanks!

273 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:49:43am

re: #243 vxbush

Chocolate bars, yes; but I have to actually read the labels on ice cream, as some have wheat in them! The world has gone mad, I tell you.

My wife is gluten intolerant, we have some GF chocolate at home in the fridge. If we're on this evening give me a *whack* to jog the memory and I'll give you the name...

274 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:49:47am

re: #253 Gus 802

Yeah, was thinking about that. Maybe a cousin of "no true Scotsman."

Do we have a term for "Waily! Waily! We're dooomed!" yet?

275 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:50:53am

re: #250 blueherron

I think we're confusing terms here. Were your clients calling eachother as oreo cookies, because that's the term sattv4u was referring to in his post about "groomed" "with good diction," that I replied to.

What I was reffering to is todays inner city AfricanAmerican youths calling anyone who does not dispaly him/herself as "hip-hop,,, rap,,, ghetto" as an oreo. It's the same today as it's been in the past, And when I say "today" I mean within the last week

276 Pass The Moonbaticide  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:51:00am

Out of interest, does anybody know why we all stopped using the term 'Racialist' and substituted 'Racist' for it ? Look up both in a moderately old dictionary for the true meanings of these words.
Just word evolution, I suppose.

277 Gang of One  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:51:22am

re: #222 CIA Reject

According to the radical left any conservative who has just won an argument is either a racist, a sexist, or a homophobe.

I thought that the mindset on the left is that no conservative could ever win an argument precisely because they are either a racist, a sexist, or a homophobe.

278 harrylook  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:51:37am

re: #102 razorbacker

'Racist' is one of those words that is becoming a tool used to derail debate.

If you are losing the debate, sling the 'R' word in and change the topic.

Reminds me of this week's Entourage. E is trying to keep his black client from getting fired, and when all other arguments fail, he pulls that one out. It was hilarious.

BTW, what's Beck mean by "white culture?" I'm white, and I'm not familiar with that term...

279 jaunte  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:52:09am

The victim mentality is seductive. Be on your guard.

280 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:52:13am

re: #213 doppelganglander

Yup, but it's hard to convince people who believe Obama's lie that you'll be able to keep your current plan.

The only way that his assertion would be credible if he is talking about individual health plans, even that is iffy.
Most people get their coverage by employer sponsored group health plans though. If a subsidized public plan is considerably less expensive than the private plan, employers will go that way.

281 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:52:24am

re: #276 Pass The Moonbaticide

Out of interest, does anybody know why we all stopped using the term 'Racialist' and substituted 'Racist' for it ? Look up both in a moderately old dictionary for the true meanings of these words.
Just word evolution, I suppose.

Bumper sticker companies charge by the letter.

/

282 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:52:27am

re: #265 shortshrift

I am really curious. How is it more derogatory when used by a white person than by a black person?
As used by a black it means that the black person has sold out to the man -to white culture. It is the new form of the old Uncle Tom insult.
As used by a white?

What if we substitute that with the word redneck.

Now compare Jeff Foxworthy using the word redneck against Janeane Garofalo using the word redneck.

283 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:52:59am

re: #277 Gang of One

I thought that the mindset on the left is that no conservative could ever win an argument precisely because they are either a racist, a sexist, or a homophobe.

Circular reasoning - classic LLL crapthink. It's also the reason why THEY are never wrong!

284 avspatti  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:53:17am

re: #32 Charles

I know. A racist dog whistle joke.

What's a racist dog whistle joke?

285 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:53:20am

re: #259 Ben Hur

Are TV or advertising execs racist for having to consider race in most decisions they make?

Ben.. I think it is Demographics the Ad exec's are using..To find the right market for their product.. Racism is nothing more than hatred to a fellow human. Not usually a good sales ploy.

286 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:53:22am

re: #273 jcm

My wife is gluten intolerant, we have some GF chocolate at home in the fridge. If we're on this evening give me a *whack* to jog the memory and I'll give you the name...

Y' mean you have a gluten in the fridge of those things?

/*waves hand* ... Hi there!

287 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:53:40am

Is it racist to beleive that the world's ills are caused by "white man's greed?"

You can go in circles with all this shit.

How 'bout everyone taking Morgan Freeman's advise, and STOP TALKING ABOUT RACE.

288 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:53:42am

When Brian Kilmeade says something that makes you look stupid, it's time to start re-evaluating your life.

289 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:53:51am

re: #282 Gus 802

What if we substitute that with the word redneck.

Now compare Jeff Foxworthy using the word redneck against Janeane Garofalo using the word redneck.

The operable word here is "Malice." Is the word used with malice or not?

Jeff Foxworthy is not using the word with malice.*

*Especially since he's made about a bazillion dollars from his redneck jokes.

290 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:54:21am

re: #289 EmmmieG

The operable word here is "Malice." Is the word used with malice or not?

Jeff Foxworthy is not using the word with malice.*

*Especially since he's made about a bazillion dollars from his redneck jokes.

Right. Malice and context.

291 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:54:34am

re: #278 harrylook

Reminds me of this week's Entourage. E is trying to keep his black client from getting fired, and when all other arguments fail, he pulls that one out. It was hilarious.

BTW, what's Beck mean by "white culture?" I'm white, and I'm not familiar with that term...

It's the same thing as Black Culture, only with white people doing the creating.

292 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:54:41am

re: #284 avspatti

What's a racist dog whistle joke?

What do you call a dog whistle that hates a particular ethnic group?

/try the veal

293 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:54:49am

re: #195 sattv4u2

I once went to a caucus, does that count??

To quote George Carlin, "Caucasian? Sounds like a shoe style. 'Gimme a pair of Caucasians in a 9 D.'"

My 15-year old who likes to argue his young-Earth theories (because he knows it pisses me off) remarked that "racism" i.e.; favoring those that look like us over those that don't, is in all species-- we're all attracted to those members of the species that look like us. It's a natural response and we're designed that way. Of course he was arguing for argument's sake that racism is part of the evolutionary process and why there has not been more integration of people groups--that we're naturally attracted to those that look like us. (this is the same kid that will argue one week that the Moon landings were a hoax, then argue the opposite the following week)

I had to agree with him in one respect. It takes effort to look beyond that--and that's where people stumble. However, I would posit that no matter how strongly someone argues that they are not "racist", that they do, to some extent, have an inherent mechanism where they are prejudiced to some extent against people who just don't look like them.

This is never an easy issue to discuss. To say it provokes strong emotions is an understatement. If someone genuinely shows that they are grappling with this and perhaps inartfully state their feelings, I'd be willing to engage them...

...and perhaps I'm just a glutton for punishment. Oh well.

294 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:55:03am

re: #273 jcm

My wife is gluten intolerant, we have some GF chocolate at home in the fridge. If we're on this evening give me a *whack* to jog the memory and I'll give you the name...

I rarely am on during evenings (or if I am, I'm lurking because I get called away so much). Better luck grabbing me tomorrow morning. But I'll try to snag you then.

295 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:55:09am
296 Baelzar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:55:54am

The point is, you don't hand ammunition of this caliber to the enemy.

When you pound the table and cry, "I AM NOT A RACIST" then call a black man a racist term, you become an easy target.

When you decry the false charges of racism, then make an unsubstantiated claim of racism, you become an easy target.

When you stand up for nebulous "family values" then solicit gay sex in a public bathroom...

When you stand up for nebulous "family values" then run away to Argentina to cry to your mistress...

A syphilitic blind man with no arms could whip the Republicans with these tools. And the hits just keep on comin'...

297 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:56:08am

re: #243 vxbush

Chocolate bars, yes; but I have to actually read the labels on ice cream, as some have wheat in them! The world has gone mad, I tell you.

why do so many products have wheat in them?
Because most flour is made from wheat.
When the ice cream people get the cookies for their cookies and cream, they have wheat in their warehouse. Therefore, to avoid lawsuits, they wil print "may contain wheat" or 'gluten' because grain dust may or may not get into the plant.

298 formercorpsman  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:56:09am

re: #292 MrSilverDragon

I'll plead my ignorance here. I still don't know what it is.

Don't say it, but I truly don't know what it is.

299 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:56:12am

re: #279 jaunte

The victim mentality is seductive. Be on your guard.

heh
Good one!

300 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:56:25am

bbl

301 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:56:44am

re: #287 Ben Hur

Is it racist to beleive that the world's ills are caused by "white man's greed?"

You can go in circles with all this shit.

How 'bout everyone taking Morgan Freeman's advise, and STOP TALKING ABOUT RACE.

African Americans are still Americans...I have much more in common with the average African American than they have in common with the average African. Just as I have more in common with the average African American than I do with the average Norwegian, Dutch, Irish, Scot, Danish and Frenchman. I might look like them, but I am not from their.

302 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:57:02am

re: #278 harrylook


BTW, what's Beck mean by "white culture?" I'm white, and I'm not familiar with that term...

He means "real Americans." You know, not those "coastal elites" broadcasting their talk shows from Midtown New York City before going home to multi-million dollar Hampton mansions.

303 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:57:03am

re: #266 Desert Dog

Targeted marketing uses racial profiling. The Police use it too. Sometimes it is not a bad thing. Sometimes it is.

So do TV stations; how often do they have a "minority" story, and the matching ethnic reporter is on that story? On the Seattle TV stations it's not subtle.

304 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:57:22am

I can think of only ONE person who could see a little relief from this whole Professor Gates,Gate...!
That would be Joe "Foot in Mouth"Biden!
Gives him some ammo next time his called into the Oval Office
to grt his ass chewed!!

305 Nadnerb  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:57:58am

re: #169 BringMeTuri

Phil Hendrie is a comic genius, IMHO. He left the radio for a time a few years ago and is now back!! You can podcast his show ( I do) for "the price of a couple of Mickey's and a pack of smokes" as he has said. His comedy is WAY beyond Beck and dripping with timely satire. His characters Lloyd Bonafide and Bobbie Dooley have to be my favorite...

Your text to link...

306 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:58:01am

re: #298 formercorpsman

I'll plead my ignorance here. I still don't know what it is.

Don't say it, but I truly don't know what it is.

Neither do I, thus my lame attempt at a joke. It's what I do.

307 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:58:07am

re: #265 shortshrift

I am really curious. How is it more derogatory when used by a white person than by a black person?
As used by a black it means that the black person has sold out to the man -to white culture. It is the new form of the old Uncle Tom insult.
As used by a white?

Let's see how simple it is. You agree it is a slam for a black to use it against a black, yes. So, now, can you see how it is STILL a slam for a white person to use it?

Simple, I know.

308 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:58:13am

re: #249 buzzsawmonkey

A Smart Car that's sitting on the railroad tracks has a Dumb Driver.


I thought so too, so I left enough room for him to back up in case a train came. Maybe he thinks that if he is on the tracks the light and 15 cars ahead of him will move faster?

309 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:58:14am

re: #287 Ben Hur

The best way I heard it put is that you know when you have moved beyond racial issues when you regard a person's ethnicity as "incidental" and not "integral" in the manner in which you associate with them.

310 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:58:29am

re: #9 Charles

I don't know why, but Beck isn't the only right wing pundit who's getting more comfortable with his inner racist.

Yesterday, I heard Rush Limbaugh say, in the middle of a rant about proposed warning stickers on hot dogs, that next they'd want to ban Oreo cookies -- but they'd have to wait until Obama left office.

It seems it a growing trend and it's quite ugly.

311 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:58:33am

re: #297 Eowyn2

why do so many products have wheat in them?
Because most flour is made from wheat.
When the ice cream people get the cookies for their cookies and cream, they have wheat in their warehouse. Therefore, to avoid lawsuits, they wil print "may contain wheat" or 'gluten' because grain dust may or may not get into the plant.

As I recall, this particular ice cream had no cookie stuff in it; it was just plain simple chocolate ice cream. But I can't remember who made it.

312 funky chicken  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:58:38am

Aargh. Somebody please let Beck know that he doesn''t have to spew out every opinion that forms in his mind. He's like a 4 year old kid who embarrasses his mom in the grocery store by asking a question about the morbidly obese person in front of them in line or something.

313 Land Shark  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:58:58am

re: #268 MikeAlv77

Ecuador on one side and Puerto Rico on the other. And yes, I have never heard the family use those terms amongst ourselves.

Puerto Rico? Cool! I lived there for 14 years, from when I was 4 until I graduated high school. My Spanish is has a definite Puerto Rico accent. I still have lots of friends on the island and visit every few years.

I love Borinquen, I'll always see myself as part Puerto Rican.

314 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:59:01am

re: #286 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Y' mean you have a gluten in the fridge of those things?

/*waves hand* ... Hi there!

*waves back*

You laugh! It's hard to come by sometimes, so my wife will buy case lots...

315 blueherron  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:59:08am

re: #275 sattv4u2

What I was reffering to is todays inner city AfricanAmerican youths calling anyone who does not dispaly him/herself as "hip-hop,,, rap,,, ghetto" as an oreo. It's the same today as it's been in the past, And when I say "today" I mean within the last week

Really? Cause I've lived in Baltimore (in the citay) for 20 years and I haven't heard the term but once...about Michael Steel...and I heard it from Caucasians.

316 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:59:41am

Oh noes! I misspelled "Obama" in my spinoff.

I'm so embarrassed, I'm going to curl up and die now.

317 BlackFedora  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:59:56am

Is Glenn Beck receiving a paycheck from the Democratic National Committee? :)

I think Obama's policies are pretty lame but a racist? C'mon. I only wish this guy wasn't so damn popular.

318 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:00:20pm

re: #276 Pass The Moonbaticide
Some haven't stopped using it, Pat Buchanan and the Vdare crowd for instance. Racist is the American English word, Racialist is more commonly used in the UK and by Euros.

319 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:00:21pm

What the bleeding hell is "the white culture", anyway?

320 Gang of One  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:00:21pm

re: #265 shortshrift

I am really curious. How is it more derogatory when used by a white person than by a black person?
As used by a black it means that the black person has sold out to the man -to white culture. It is the new form of the old Uncle Tom insult.
As used by a white?

As used by a white [as I've witnessed] it is a slander saying basically that no matter how eloquent, well-spoken or successful, he or she will always be viewed as a non-white wannabe. It is derogatory any way you cut it.

321 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:00:28pm

re: #315 blueherron

Really? Cause I've lived in Baltimore (in the citay) for 20 years and I haven't heard the term but once...about Michael Steel...and I heard it from Caucasians.

pfffttt.

322 sngnsgt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:00:38pm

re: #312 funky chicken

Aargh. Somebody please let Beck know that he doesn''t have to spew out every opinion that forms in his mind. He's like a 4 year old kid who embarrasses his mom in the grocery store by asking a question about the morbidly obese person in front of them in line or something.

Yea, the one pushing one cart in front, and dragging one behind.

323 avspatti  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:00:53pm

re: #123 Walter L. Newton

Because there are some people who thought they were just cookies.

324 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:01:04pm

re: #319 Cato the Elder

What the bleeding hell is "the white culture", anyway?

The one that oppresses minorities.

325 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:01:17pm

re: #310 Sharmuta

It seems it a growing trend and it's quite ugly.

It may sound silly, but it could also be cathartic. It's forcing people to confront things about themselves. Sure, it's upsetting--but why?

Anyway-- I gotta back to the workload.

BBL

326 J.S.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:01:34pm

re: #319 Cato the Elder

to me, it sounds just like a sly nod to the white supremacists...

327 MikeAlv77  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:02:00pm

re: #313 Land Shark

Puerto Rico? Cool! I lived there for 14 years, from when I was 4 until I graduated high school. My Spanish is has a definite Puerto Rico accent. I still have lots of friends on the island and visit every few years.

I love Borinquen, I'll always see myself as part Puerto Rican.

Cool. I go and visit the family back in PR about once every few years. Great home cooked meals!!!

328 BlackFedora  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:02:01pm

re: #11 zombie

I think Glenn has forgotten what the bend looks like he passed it so long ago.

329 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:02:20pm

re: #311 vxbush

As I recall, this particular ice cream had no cookie stuff in it; it was just plain simple chocolate ice cream. But I can't remember who made it.

they were probably manufacturing a snack bar or frozen pie crust or microwave cake in the same plant. We have people who want us to declare wheat free or gluten free but we refuse to do so. Grain dust is microscopic and we don't want the lawsuits.
Is it a wheat or gluten allergy or Celiacs? I don't want to search out the original post.

330 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:02:20pm

re: #319 Cato the Elder

What the bleeding hell is "the white culture", anyway?

This from a man with your name and avatar? I'd posit it's of European derivation.

BBL

331 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:02:23pm

re: #319 Cato the Elder

What the bleeding hell is "the white culture", anyway?

Same thing as "the black culture", a non-existant entity created by people who wish to be racist or racialist. Things like education are no more white than they are black. They are for all.

332 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:02:35pm

re: #319 Cato the Elder

What the bleeding hell is "the white culture", anyway?


bad dancers

333 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:02:44pm

re: #315 blueherron

Really? Cause I've lived in Baltimore (in the citay) for 20 years and I haven't heard the term but once...about Michael Steel...and I heard it from Caucasians.

I tarvel for buskiness ofetn. I was just in Boston where I was born, raised and lived for most of the 1st 45 years of my life) I was in Roxbury on Friday. I heard it there. I live in Atlanta now and last week before I went to Boston I was just outside of downtown Atlanta at Turner Field doing some work. The surrounding neighborhoods are mostly AA. I've heard it there. Last month I was in Raliegh NC. I've heard it there.I could continue.

I hate hearing it. But it's there!

334 Empire1  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:03:08pm

re: #89 Ward Cleaver

I think their Cheez-Its are waaay better than Nabisco's Cheese Nips.

Especially the "Hot and Spicy" ones that only seem to come out about this time of year.

335 Gang of One  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:03:24pm

re: #284 avspatti

What's a racist dog whistle joke?

A racist, a dog, and a whistle go into a bar ...

336 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:03:40pm

re: #319 Cato the Elder

What the bleeding hell is "the white culture", anyway?

Yogurt.

337 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:03:46pm

re: #243 vxbush

Chocolate bars, yes; but I have to actually read the labels on ice cream, as some have wheat in them! The world has gone mad, I tell you.

I'm always shocked at how many products contain high fructose corn syrup. When I was a kid, my dad developed a sudden, severe allergy to several common foods, including corn. I learned from my mom to read the labels very carefully.

338 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:04:22pm

re: #329 Eowyn2

they were probably manufacturing a snack bar or frozen pie crust or microwave cake in the same plant. We have people who want us to declare wheat free or gluten free but we refuse to do so. Grain dust is microscopic and we don't want the lawsuits.
Is it a wheat or gluten allergy or Celiacs? I don't want to search out the original post.

I understand; so many places say "manufactured in a plant where nuts are processed" just to avoid liability.

I have a gluten intolerance. Checked for celiac and allergy, and have neither. But feel 100% better off the wheat.

339 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:04:31pm

re: #336 HelloDare

Yogurt.

"Yogurt! I hate Yogurt! Even with strawberries."

340 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:04:32pm

re: #319 Cato the Elder

What the bleeding hell is "the white culture", anyway?

Horrid golf pants?

341 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:04:44pm

re: #336 HelloDare

Yogurt.

I just lost some Breyers peach.

342 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:04:48pm

re: #315 blueherron

Really? Cause I've lived in Baltimore (in the citay) for 20 years and I haven't heard the term but once...about Michael Steel...and I heard it from Caucasians.

You have got to be kidding me.

I've never once, except as a quote, heard the name of a cookie employed as a racial insult by a white person.

I've heard the name of a cookie employed to imply insanity, of course. Who hasn't? That doesn't seem to be limited by anything except being of the right age.

Anyone else remember cookie brand names being bandied about?

343 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:04:56pm

re: #317 BlackFedora

Is Glenn Beck receiving a paycheck from the Democratic National Committee? :)

I think Obama's policies are pretty lame but a racist? C'mon. I only wish this guy wasn't so damn popular.

I don't think Obama is racist. But, I think some of the people he has associated with in the past are. But, since he is black, he gets a pass on that? What if John McCain had sat in the "White People Are Better than the Rest" Church for 20+ years. And, the Pastor of this church went on weekly diatribe about how evil the other races are and how "White Liberation Theology" was the only true way to salvation. McCain would have been instantly (and rightly) taken out of the race by a tsunami of complaints from everyone. Yet, President Obama was given a free pass on that.

344 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:04:58pm
345 jaunte  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:05:13pm

re: #342 Dianna

Keebled?

346 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:05:32pm

re: #314 jcm

*waves back*

You laugh! It's hard to come by sometimes, so my wife will buy case lots...

*salute* on that one. My doc put me on the 81 mg aspirin regimen. The next day at the store, I lucked into finding a REALLY deep "clearance" discount on the Safeway product and bought right out to the expiration date.

347 Pass The Moonbaticide  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:05:41pm

re: #318 ThanosThat will be why I prefer it : I'm in the UK.
Thanks for that clarification.

348 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:05:49pm

re: #1 Alouette

Projection.

It is projection, imo. And this tactic has gotten to be pretty mainstream, sadly. When you think about it- it's pretty juvenile. The equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I?"

Obviously- race tensions are high, but the solution certainly isn't to run around calling everyone a racist. When we do that, it takes away from the real racists.

349 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:06:10pm

re: #320 Gang of One

As used by a white [as I've witnessed] it is a slander saying basically that no matter how eloquent, well-spoken or successful, he or she will always be viewed as a non-white wannabe. It is derogatory any way you cut it.

When and where? Whew!

What kind of vile people have I managed not to encounter?

350 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:06:18pm

re: #319 Cato the Elder

What the bleeding hell is "the white culture", anyway?

A strawman that does not exist.

351 razorbacker  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:06:19pm

Consider, if you are old enough, the multitude of terms that have been used to refer to that portion of the American population that is commonly called 'Black'.

In no particular order, there is negro, colored, African-American, black, people of color, and I'm sure some that do not come to mind at the moment.

And those are simply the 'polite' terms.

Like Indian. There was red man, Indian, AmerIndian, etc. I think that the polite term in Canada is something else, but I don't remember what.

All attempts to reinforce the concept of 'other'.

As opposed to simply people.

352 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:06:26pm

re: #332 Eowyn2

bad dancers

Stuff White People Like

353 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:06:38pm

re: #340 EmmmieG

Horrid golf pants?

"The only game where a white man can dress as a black pimp and look good."

- Robin Williams.

354 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:06:41pm

re: #338 vxbush

I understand; so many places say "manufactured in a plant where nuts are processed" just to avoid liability.

I have a gluten intolerance. Checked for celiac and allergy, and have neither. But feel 100% better off the wheat.

Did you check for an allergy to tannen? It could be the tanic acid. How are you with cola? tea? coffee? tree bark tannen (remedy for foxglove poisening?)

355 Simple Voice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:06:41pm

I do not think President Obama is a racist.
He no doubt uses the race card at times. The claim that he is a post-racial president is joke.
I also think this guy gets away with hanging out with shady, racist characters without having to answer for it.
Would a Republican or a non-approved Democrat get a pass if he had a buddy/pastor like Rev. Wright in his circle of friends?

356 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:06:46pm

re: #342 Dianna

You have got to be kidding me.

I've never once, except as a quote, heard the name of a cookie employed as a racial insult by a white person.

I've heard the name of a cookie employed to imply insanity, of course. Who hasn't? That doesn't seem to be limited by anything except being of the right age.

Anyone else remember cookie brand names being bandied about?

You...You...Grandma's Iced Animal Cookie you!

357 Cato the Elder  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:06:53pm

As for black people using the so-called n-word among themselves, it's simple: People have always adopted the epithets hurled at them as badges of honor, with irony and defiance.

See "queer". See "Whig", for that matter.

358 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:06:58pm

re: #323 avspatti

Because there are some people who thought they were just cookies.

And it is evident from the comment that shortshift knew the difference.

359 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:06:58pm

re: #337 doppelganglander

I'm always shocked at how many products contain high fructose corn syrup. When I was a kid, my dad developed a sudden, severe allergy to several common foods, including corn. I learned from my mom to read the labels very carefully.

My wife also. Gluten and several sugar intolerances. Prepared food is almost unknown in house. I do the bulk of the cooking, we have a good local alternative food store near Seattle that provides alternative flours, Whole Foods on occasional but $$$. Traders Joe's has some of the best selection of prepared foods that are GF and unsweetened.

360 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:07:25pm

re: #339 Honorary Yooper

"Yogurt! I hate Yogurt! Even with strawberries."

Culturist!

361 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:07:37pm
362 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:08:14pm

re: #357 Cato the Elder

As for black people using the so-called n-word among themselves, it's simple: People have always adopted the epithets hurled at them as badges of honor, with irony and defiance.

See "queer". See "Whig", for that matter.

or the little known "coon-ass" for us swampy Franco-phones.

363 J.S.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:08:16pm

re: #351 razorbacker

sometimes, they're referred to as Aboriginals...(the "racialist" ones also have a tendency to refer to Natives trying to be white as "radishes."...)

364 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:08:28pm

re: #350 Thanos

A strawman that does not exist.

Except in the minds of the "victimized".

365 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:08:38pm

re: #360 jcm

Culturist!

No-- cultural elitist!

366 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:08:44pm

re: #332 Eowyn2

bad dancers

Um...ballet?

367 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:08:54pm

re: #342 Dianna

You have got to be kidding me.

I've never once, except as a quote, heard the name of a cookie employed as a racial insult by a white person.

I've heard the name of a cookie employed to imply insanity, of course. Who hasn't? That doesn't seem to be limited by anything except being of the right age.

Anyone else remember cookie brand names being bandied about?

In one of Barbra Streisand's movies, she is in a duo with someone and their duo is called Oreo, or The Oreos, or something like that...if I remember correctly.

That's the first time I heard it in connection with race. (I think the other person was black. It's been a long time though, so I would appreciate correction if I have this wrong.)

368 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:09:00pm

re: #325 calcajun

It may sound silly, but it could also be cathartic. It's forcing people to confront things about themselves. Sure, it's upsetting--but why?

Anyway-- I gotta back to the workload.

BBL

That's a good point.

369 acacia  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:09:09pm

re: #28 redshirt

Charles, are you saying that it is racist to call Obama racist?
Not sure I'm comfortable with that line of reasoning.
I do believe Obama to be racist, as evidenced by all the people he has called friends, especially this weeks dustup. He defaulted to assuming the white cop was stupid.
Even though he is racist, he can still find some white people that he approves of and likes even.

I agree wholeheartedly that Beck's statements do not show that Beck is a racist. Faulty logic. Regardless of what you think of Beck, to call him and his statement racist, makes impossible reasoned talk about Obama's views on race.

370 jill e  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:09:12pm

I think Barack Obama is an elitist. The term "white culture" makes me cringe.

371 Buster  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:09:16pm

re: #265 shortshrift

I am really curious. How is it more derogatory when used by a white person than by a black person?
As used by a black it means that the black person has sold out to the man -to white culture. It is the new form of the old Uncle Tom insult.
As used by a white?

Joe Biden would see it as a major compliment. Along the lines of...bright...clean...articulate...

372 Gang of One  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:09:17pm

re: #319 Cato the Elder

What the bleeding hell is "the white culture", anyway?

Plain yogurt, IIRC.

373 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:09:27pm

re: #354 Eowyn2

Did you check for an allergy to tannen? It could be the tanic acid. How are you with cola? tea? coffee? tree bark tannen (remedy for foxglove poisening?)

No problem at all with Coke or tea. Don't ever touch coffee. I cannot stand it.

374 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:09:37pm

Well, I have to get back to work.

/See all you Moon Pies later!

375 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:09:38pm

re: #357 Cato the Elder

As for black people using the so-called n-word among themselves, it's simple: People have always adopted the epithets hurled at them as badges of honor, with irony and defiance.

See "queer". See "Whig", for that matter.

I, personally, wouldn't know anything about that. ;)

376 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:09:41pm

The only "white culture" that I've seen was in an old container of guacamole in the back of the fridge. It was fuzzy and had obviously been growing a while.

377 cybermonk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:09:56pm

re: #34 zombie

well if you remember, he called his grandmother a typical white person who was at least somewhat racist.

The saying goes, "birds of a feather flock together", Obama is steeped in the culture of black supremacists and Farrakhan. His friends are all radicals and his actions betray a racist attitude. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck it must be a duck. He has yet to apologize for his friends racism. don't be so quick to jump on the "crazy Beck"bandwagon. He is usually right, and calls it as he sees it.

378 avspatti  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:10:10pm

re: #155 Ward Cleaver

Rush used the n-word?

No. He made a joke about oreo cookies. I didn't hear it.

379 scullymj  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:10:12pm

What do you mean "Good grief"? Read "Dreams of My Father". Obama's racism lurks there for all to read. Remember his grandmother, the "typical white person"?Obama's racism was a choice freely made to advance his political aspirations, which makes it all the more perverse. Sadly, Glenn Beck is spot on and too many posters here are too cowed by political correctness to recognize a genuine racist for fear that the charge will come back upon them.

380 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:10:13pm

re: #361 buzzsawmonkey

People call each other tollhouses and snickerdoodles aroung here all the time--and just the other day I saw two small boys almost come to blows over whether one of them was an oatmeal raisin.

/kiddding

Shut up, you whitebread cracker!

I guess it does not have the same effect when verbalized by another whitebread cracker, does it?

;-)

381 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:10:33pm

re: #359 jcm

My wife also. Gluten and several sugar intolerances. Prepared food is almost unknown in house. I do the bulk of the cooking, we have a good local alternative food store near Seattle that provides alternative flours, Whole Foods on occasional but $$$. Traders Joe's has some of the best selection of prepared foods that are GF and unsweetened.

And I am hundreds of miles away from any Trader Joe's. Pity me, pity me.

382 Gang of One  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:10:55pm

re: #336 HelloDare

Yogurt.

re: #372 Gang of One

Plain yogurt, IIRC.

Always late. Damn.

383 jaunte  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:11:35pm
too many posters here are too cowed by political correctness

A clear case of cowism.

384 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:11:35pm

re: #376 Thanos

The only "white culture" that I've seen was in an old container of guacamole in the back of the fridge. It was fuzzy and had obviously been growing a while.

Making your own penicillin again? I am sure we have some new species of life in the dark back recesses of our fridge too.

385 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:12:04pm

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Through the looking glass darkly...

Obama: Existing health system threatens Medicare

President Barack Obama is telling participants in an online forum on health care that the current system and its skyrocketing costs are a threat to Medicare.

$27,000,000,000,000 deficit? Which is the threat?

386 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:12:17pm

re: #384 Desert Dog

Making your own penicillin again? I am sure we have some new species of life in the dark back recesses of our fridge too.

The penicillin they originally used was off a cantaloupe. Seriously.

387 razorbacker  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:12:21pm

re: #363 J.S.

sometimes, they're referred to as Aboriginals...(the "racialist" ones also have a tendency to refer to Natives trying to be white as "radishes."...)

I think that the term I was trying to remember was 'First Nations'.

Maybe not. I could be wrong aboot that.

388 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:12:28pm

re: #383 jaunte

A clear case of cowism.

I am a cowist...as I love cows, they are quite tasty, you know

389 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:13:02pm

re: #354 Eowyn2

Did you check for an allergy to tannen? It could be the tanic acid. How are you with cola? tea? coffee? tree bark tannen (remedy for foxglove poisening?)

I thought only Marty McFly was allergic to Tannen.

390 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:13:06pm

re: #386 EmmmieG

The penicillin they originally used was off a cantaloupe. Seriously.

And, IIRC, a complete accident too...what a stroke of luck for all of us.

391 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:13:12pm

re: #383 jaunte

A clear case of cowism.

Bull.

392 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:13:27pm

I love clear and concise speakers. Don't you?
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

393 jaunte  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:13:30pm

re: #391 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Cowabunga!

394 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:13:30pm

re: #376 Thanos

The only "white culture" that I've seen was in an old container of guacamole in the back of the fridge. It was fuzzy and had obviously been growing a while.

In that vein, I've had "blue cultures" and "green cultures".

395 J.S.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:13:55pm

re: #387 razorbacker

Yes, that's it..."First Nations" is also frequently used here in Canada...

396 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:14:17pm

re: #367 capitalist piglet

I seem to have (once again) failed pop culture 101.

397 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:14:58pm

re: #396 Dianna

I seem to have (once again) failed pop culture 101.

Good. Come sit next to me in the back row.

398 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:14:58pm

re: #381 vxbush

And I am hundreds of miles away from any Trader Joe's. Pity me, pity me.

*sigh*

A lot of places have GF support groups.

Bette Hagman, has a number of very good cookbooks. (I pimp Bette's books 'cause she's a friend of my wife).

399 turn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:15:02pm

re: #391 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Bull.

When are you heifer going to stop making puns PBMB?

400 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:15:24pm

re: #379 scullymj

Obama's racism was a choice made to advance his political aspirations. In a country that is 74% "white" (self-identified) and 13.4% black. Are you fucking high?

401 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:15:26pm

re: #393 jaunte

Cowabunga!

And now we descend ... for the udder hell of it!

402 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:15:30pm

re: #361 buzzsawmonkey

People call each other tollhouses and snickerdoodles aroung here all the time--and just the other day I saw two small boys almost come to blows over whether one of them was an oatmeal raisin.

/kiddding


I've actually heard people call their kids 'snickerdoodle' as a term of endearment.

403 Gang of One  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:15:40pm

re: #349 Dianna

When and where? Whew!

What kind of vile people have I managed not to encounter?

Hanging out in parks playing Frisbee and drinking beer, from trailer-trash types during my sordid youth here in northern NJ in and around the Hudson and Bergen County areas.

404 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:16:18pm

re: #402 Eowyn2

I've actually heard people call their kids 'snickerdoodle' as a term of endearment.

How about Animal Crackers?

405 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:16:31pm

re: #359 jcm

My wife also. Gluten and several sugar intolerances. Prepared food is almost unknown in house. I do the bulk of the cooking, we have a good local alternative food store near Seattle that provides alternative flours, Whole Foods on occasional but $$$. Traders Joe's has some of the best selection of prepared foods that are GF and unsweetened.

You are all probably much healthier and thinner as a result. I would love to reduce the amount of packaged and processed foods we eat, simply to save money, but we are all terminally lazy and really like Kraft Macaroni and Cheese.

406 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:16:46pm

re: #398 jcm

*sigh*

A lot of places have GF support groups.

Bette Hagman, has a number of very good cookbooks. (I pimp Bette's books 'cause she's a friend of my wife).

Is she the same person who put together a good flour substitute using four ingredients? I think she is. Alas, she uses tapioca flour, which I absolutely cannot have--nor tapioca starch. So I have to check even GF items for tapioca!

407 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:16:48pm
408 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:17:02pm

A foolish friend kept calling a Native American friend Chief...
Asked to knock it off three times ...My Native American friend
handed the other his ass on a platter!!!
NO! I did not stop the fight!
It wasn't one!He was asked three time ,then got his ass kicked!
I still get a chuckle out it!

409 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:17:02pm

re: #399 turn

When are you heifer going to stop making puns PBMB?

I was steered wrong by my parents.

410 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:17:09pm

re: #385 jcm

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Through the looking glass darkly...

Obama: Existing health system threatens Medicare

$27,000,000,000,000 deficit? Which is the threat?

A threat to Medicare? Don't doctors use money they get from regular patients to subsidize their care of Medicare patients? I mean, knowing how little Medicare pays.

411 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:17:11pm

re: #391 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Bull.

412 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:17:22pm

re: #379 scullymj

If you didn't note the frothing, bug-eyed insanity of Beck's delivery, you are the one with a problem.

413 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:17:30pm

From Powerline last year:

The Wright context

In the just-published issue of National Review, Stanley Kurtz provides a detailed look at Rev. Wright's black liberation theolgy. He concludes that "the only thing worse than quoting Jeremiah Wright out of context is quoting him in context."

Unfortunately, I understand that, pursuant to usual policy regarding articles in its magazine, National Review is not providing a link to Kurtz's piece. When I have more time, I may try to write a reasonably thorough summary.

Kurtz is mainly interested in Wright's ideology and the closely related theories of his mentor James Cone. He does an excellent job of showing how these ideological underpinnings have led Wright to the conclusions that Obama and his defenders mistakenly dismiss as "sound bites" and "snippets."

Kurtz inevitably considers the question of Obama's decision to remain in Wright's church. He writes: "Nearly every sermon Wright preaches, as well as his now-infamous bulletins and church magazines, is filled with his radicalism, and it's therefore impossible not to conclude that Obama was broadly attracted to Wright's politics."

Significantly, Wright's radicalism sparked a mass exodus from the church on several occasions. By 1975, nearly all of the members who had invited Wright to become their pastor in 1972 had defected. In 1983, "a group of particularly active and prominent members uncomfortable with Wright left Trinity. . .for a local Pentacostal Apostolic church." Wright's radicalism also caused his relations with the United Church of Christ to be rocky at times.

These facts make Obama's decision to remain in Wright's flock all the more telling.

414 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:17:34pm

re: #401 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And now we descend ... for the udder hell of it!

It's a cowtastrophe!

415 jill e  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:17:35pm

I do long for the days when this kind of humor was allowed as a way to expose racism.

I watched a PBS special on comedians last night and Mel Brooks spoke about how the ultimate revenge on Hitler was to make him a laughingstock.

Rhetoric does not get you anywhere, because Hitler and Mussolini are just as good at rhetoric. But if you can bring these people down with comedy, they stand no chance. —Mel Brooks

416 blueherron  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:17:45pm

re: #333 sattv4u2

I tarvel for buskiness ofetn. I was just in Boston where I was born, raised and lived for most of the 1st 45 years of my life) I was in Roxbury on Friday. I heard it there. I live in Atlanta now and last week before I went to Boston I was just outside of downtown Atlanta at Turner Field doing some work. The surrounding neighborhoods are mostly AA. I've heard it there. Last month I was in Raliegh NC. I've heard it there.I could continue.

I hate hearing it. But it's there!


Maybe Baltimore is "post racial"? I don't know, I just thought the country might be past this, what with Obama being president, but I guess not. It seems that his presidency has really made that racist dog whistle so much louder. I'm still hoping something good will come out of the Gates/Crowley affair.

417 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:17:54pm

re: #410 Ward Cleaver

A threat to Medicare? Don't doctors use money they get from regular patients to subsidize their care of Medicare patients? I mean, knowing how little Medicare pays.

DING!

418 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:17:55pm

re: #405 doppelganglander

You are all probably much healthier and thinner as a result. I would love to reduce the amount of packaged and processed foods we eat, simply to save money, but we are all terminally lazy and really like Kraft Macaroni and Cheese.

Nothing wrong with Kraft Macaroni and Cheese. Not in my book.

419 turn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:19:03pm

re: #409 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I was steered wrong by my parents.

Naw, you're just milking this for all it's worth. Somebody ought to tan your hide.

420 Ziggy  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:19:13pm

Clearly President Obama has issues (and Michelle, for the first time I'm proud of my country, Obama does as well). How do you sit in Reverend Wright's church for 20 years and not buy some of that crap. How about Henry gates, his friend? He's definitely got issues, and not just for the recent flap..he has expressed these thoughts before. Apparently Obama was prepped for the Gates question last week, so his ignorant comments weren't off the cuff. His Green Czar is a black liberation theologist (and admitted communist) and an associate of his. And let's not forget Bill Ayers, although he's white he subscribes to the White Racist Power Structure BS. I'm not saying he's an overt racist, a la Louis Farrakhan or Jesse Jackson, but he clearly has some deep rooted issues. They are even addressed in on of his books, with his buddy Frank.

421 formercorpsman  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:19:22pm

re: #410 Ward Cleaver

We were just notified Medicare will be reducing their contracted reimbursement amounts again for surgical procedures. (This happens almost every other year)

422 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:19:29pm

re: #415 jill e

I do long for the days when this kind of humor was allowed as a way to expose racism.

I watched a PBS special on comedians last night and Mel Brooks spoke about how the ultimate revenge on Hitler was to make him a laughingstock.

Rhetoric does not get you anywhere, because Hitler and Mussolini are just as good at rhetoric. But if you can bring these people down with comedy, they stand no chance. —Mel Brooks

Crap, I missed another one of those! The only one I've caught so far was the one on slapstick, which introduced my kids to Laurel and Hardy, and The Three Stooges.

423 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:20:00pm

re: #396 Dianna

I seem to have (once again) failed pop culture 101.

Well, you can be forgiven for missing that. : )

I didn't take it as derogatory at the time. In fact, I used to play keyboards in a band of the same name (which is the only reason I'm aware of it). Two black people, two white people - we used to intentionally set up our gear with the bass player and drummer (the black members) on the outside.

We were all very amused with ourselves. Context is everything, I guess.

424 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:20:37pm

re: #419 turn

Naw, you're just milking this for all it's worth. Somebody ought to tan your hide.

It would behoove us put a steak in this pun thread, stop it before it stampedes out of control.

425 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:21:04pm

re: #418 vxbush

Nothing wrong with Kraft Macaroni and Cheese. Not in my book.

You get an upding for that. In my defense, I did eat a salad for lunch, and I eat a lot of fruit. But there are some packaged foods - Pasta Roni and Zatarain's jambalya, for example - that I will probably never be able to give up unless I develop a gluten problem like yours.

426 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:21:09pm

re: #391 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Bull.

You better get that one by the horns.

427 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:21:13pm

re: #366 Dianna

re: #391 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Bull.

That was an udder failure as a pun -- from someone who can't hold their tongue.

428 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:21:16pm

re: #415 jill e

I do long for the days when this kind of humor was allowed as a way to expose racism.

I watched a PBS special on comedians last night and Mel Brooks spoke about how the ultimate revenge on Hitler was to make him a laughingstock.

Rhetoric does not get you anywhere, because Hitler and Mussolini are just as good at rhetoric. But if you can bring these people down with comedy, they stand no chance. —Mel Brooks

Chevy Chase was great on SNL...but Richard Pryor was one of a kind. He changed comedy, just like George Carlin.

429 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:21:17pm

re: #421 formercorpsman

We were just notified Medicare will be reducing their contracted reimbursement amounts again for surgical procedures. (This happens almost every other year)

Obamacare will be Medicare writ large. Doctors will retire and not be replaced, as young people decide not to go to med school.

430 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:21:28pm

re: #421 formercorpsman

We were just notified Medicare will be reducing their contracted reimbursement amounts again for surgical procedures. (This happens almost every other year)

See! Just stop seeing other patients and it will all be good!

/ The Won.

431 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:21:31pm

re: #414 jcm

It's a cowtastrophe!

And I'm getting pie-eyed from staring at it!

432 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:21:36pm

re: #403 Gang of One

Hanging out in parks playing Frisbee and drinking beer, from trailer-trash types during my sordid youth here in northern NJ in and around the Hudson and Bergen County areas.

My (now deceased) father - raised in Joisey City - sometimes let off some really shocking statements, but I always attributed them to his age.

I will also say that he never once noticed the race of a fellow Marine.

Go figure.

433 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:21:51pm

re: #424 jcm

It would behoove us put a steak in this pun thread, stop it before it stampedes out of control.

If you were in prison, you would have been shanked for that one.

434 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:22:07pm
435 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:22:11pm

re: #429 Ward Cleaver

Obamacare will be Medicare writ large. Doctors will retire and not be replaced, as young people decide not to go to med school.

But, we will all be EQUAL.

Equally miserable with crappy healthcare.

436 acwgusa  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:22:22pm

re: #410 Ward Cleaver

A threat to Medicare? Don't doctors use money they get from regular patients to subsidize their care of Medicare patients? I mean, knowing how little Medicare pays.

I read that, and then my soda ended up on my monitor. Threatens Medicare? Providers are lucking to get 10 cents on the dollar reimbursement for Medicare, and less for Medicaid. It's the government plans that threaten health care as a whole!

437 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:22:31pm

re: #433 calcajun

If you were in prison, you would have been shanked for that one.

ROFL!

438 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:22:33pm

re: #423 capitalist piglet

I think you're right. Now I need to go run some errands.

Actually, consider them acts of errantry!

439 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:23:05pm

re: #422 Ward Cleaver

Crap, I missed another one of those! The only one I've caught so far was the one on slapstick, which introduced my kids to Laurel and Hardy, and The Three Stooges.

Those are some great shows. My kids discovered the genius of Jack Benny and Johnny Carson, for example. (I cannot believe Carson has been gone from the airwaves for as long as my youngest has been alive.)

440 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:23:19pm

re: #410 Ward Cleaver

A threat to Medicare? Don't doctors use money they get from regular patients to subsidize their care of Medicare patients? I mean, knowing how little Medicare pays.

I noted that the big rise in healthcare costs started about the time Medicare cut back on what they were paying.

And next, under Obamacare, in which all payments are like Medicare, the doctors will get subsidized by...?

441 Gang of One  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:23:34pm

re: #351 razorbacker

Consider, if you are old enough, the multitude of terms that have been used to refer to that portion of the American population that is commonly called 'Black'.

In no particular order, there is negro, colored, African-American, black, people of color, and I'm sure some that do not come to mind at the moment.

And those are simply the 'polite' terms.

Like Indian. There was red man, Indian, AmerIndian, etc. I think that the polite term in Canada is something else, but I don't remember what.

All attempts to reinforce the concept of 'other'.

As opposed to simply people.

Then there was the term "sun people" coined by that paragon of tolerance, Professor Leonard Jeffries, who referred to whites as "ice people".

442 Yashmak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:23:41pm

racist is fast becoming the new hitler. . .

I'm not casting blame at anyone here (because it comes from both sides of the political aisle). . .but I do find it ironic that what was supposed to be a post-partisan, post-racial administration has thus far been one of the most partisan, most racial administrations I can recall.

I have a dream, of a day when we can all leave such infantile, schoolyard slurs behind us; a day when people no longer take offense at such terms if they DO hear them, and they lose their newsworthiness.

443 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:23:48pm

re: #389 Alouette

I thought only Marty McFly was allergic to Tannen.


Nope. I know a quite a few people who get upset stomachs from whole wheat bread made from hard red wheat flour but who's stomacks take hard white wheat bread very well while still maintaining the basic nutritional value of whole wheat bread.

444 formercorpsman  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:24:02pm

re: #429 Ward Cleaver

Yes, you nailed it.

445 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:24:11pm

re: #428 Desert Dog

Chevy Chase was great on SNL...but Richard Pryor was one of a kind. He changed comedy, just like George Carlin.

I think you've stumbled on it -- people are offended when they take it too seriously. If you laugh at it, you can start to analyze it more dispassionately.

446 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:24:23pm

So who got banned and what did I miss?

447 turn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:24:30pm

re: #424 jcm

It would behoove us put a steak in this pun thread, stop it before it stampedes out of control.

I know, someone is about to roast PBMB. What's their beef anyway?

448 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:24:42pm

re: #419 turn

Naw, you're just milking this for all it's worth. Somebody ought to tan your hide.

Cud chew be a bit more polite? You're giving us gas.

449 Yashmak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:24:56pm

re: #442 Yashmak

I have a dream, of a day when we can all leave such infantile, schoolyard slurs behind us;

Clarification, refers to the whole cookie/N-word thing.

450 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:25:14pm

re: #413 HelloDare

Obama joined Wright's church because he was a Harvard/Yale educated half-white man running for elected office in a majority-black urban district. Joining Wright's church was a purely political move to prove his "blackness" to the community, and ingratiate himself with the pastors that are very influential in black inner-city politics. Pure politics. Duh.

451 turn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:25:24pm

re: #427 calcajun

re: #391 pre-Boomer Marine brat


That was an udder failure as a pun -- from someone who can't hold their tongue.

I know, it's like they just pun because the cud.

452 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:25:28pm

re: #446 Oh no...Sand People!

So who got banned and what did I miss?


Attaboid, and not much.

453 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:25:34pm

re: #404 Pianobuff

How about Animal Crackers?


no, but if I had thought of it when my boys were in their early teens and going through 'thug' stage (wearing size 40 jeans on their 18 inch waists) I would have called them animal crackers instead of just crackers.

454 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:25:35pm
455 MikeAlv77  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:26:00pm

re: #446 Oh no...Sand People!

So who got banned and what did I miss?

I got yelled at by Charles but don't quite know why since I used the term (I thought) carefully in trying to point out hypocrisy... and the same term was used the same way by others with no smack down...

(still slightly confused...)

456 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:26:01pm

re: #440 Kosh's Shadow

I noted that the big rise in healthcare costs started about the time Medicare cut back on what they were paying.

And next, under Obamacare, in which all payments are like Medicare, the doctors will get subsidized by...?

becoming former doctors.

457 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:26:11pm

re: #450 drcordell

Obama joined Wright's church because he was a Harvard/Yale educated half-white man running for elected office in a majority-black urban district. Joining Wright's church was a purely political move to prove his "blackness" to the community, and ingratiate himself with the pastors that are very influential in black inner-city politics. Pure politics. Duh.

Yeah, but no way in hell is 20 years not going to have some effect.

458 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:26:38pm
459 Yashmak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:26:40pm

re: #454 MikeySDCA

Did you actually take Bambi's campaign baloney seriously? Pity.

If I had, I might have been tricked into voting for him. Fortunately, I pay attention.

460 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:26:55pm

re: #447 turn

I know, someone is about to roast PBMB. What's their beef anyway?

Stop with the puns and return to our deep rumination on the issue of race!

461 turn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:27:09pm

re: #431 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And I'm getting pie-eyed from staring at it!

For a cow pun it was a flop though.

462 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:27:10pm

re: #421 formercorpsman

We were just notified Medicare will be reducing their contracted reimbursement amounts again for surgical procedures. (This happens almost every other year)

You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait till the ObamaCare passes. Medicare will be for only healthy people.

463 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:27:11pm

re: #431 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And I'm getting pie-eyed from staring at it!


dont step in the Meadow Muffins

464 JustABill  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:27:16pm

re: #408 reloadingisnotahobby

A foolish friend kept calling a Native American friend Chief...
Asked to knock it off three times ...My Native American friend
handed the other his ass on a platter!!!
NO! I did not stop the fight!
It wasn't one!He was asked three time ,then got his ass kicked!
I still get a chuckle out it!

Your Native American friend should avoid employment in the navy or a fire department. If he were, and got promoted, things could turn real ugly, real fast...

465 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:27:28pm

re: #447 turn

I know, someone is about to roast PBMB. What's their beef anyway?

I'm having trouble keeping up.
The commentary's getting jerky.

466 acwgusa  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:28:18pm

re: #462 Walter L. Newton

You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait till the ObamaCare passes. Medicare will be for only healthy people.

There won't be any healthy people under ObamaCare. We'll be weeded off for the good of the state.

/

467 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:28:21pm

re: #450 drcordell

Obama joined Wright's church because he was a Harvard/Yale educated half-white man running for elected office in a majority-black urban district. Joining Wright's church was a purely political move to prove his "blackness" to the community, and ingratiate himself with the pastors that are very influential in black inner-city politics. Pure politics. Duh.

I think you're right, but I'm surprised he would expose his children to that kind of thinking. I wouldn't let any child of mine, if I had one, anywhere near the white counterpart of a Reverend Wright in any circumstance.

468 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:28:40pm

re: #465 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm having trouble keeping up.
The commentary's getting jerky.

Its a tough burden to shoulder

469 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:28:46pm

I think the race baiters on all sides are laughing with delight. Those who want to demonize whites are every bit as bad as the assholes at Stormfront. They both work separately towards the same goal- some kind of tribalism. They ruin legitimate criticisms and only serve to poison the well.

470 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:28:47pm

re: #455 MikeAlv77

I got yelled at by Charles but don't quite know why since I used the term (I thought) carefully in trying to point out hypocrisy... and the same term was used the same way by others with no smack down...

(still slightly confused...)

I'm not yelling, but this topic often seems to provoke a few people into wanting to post racial slurs or "jokes", to show how they're not "politically correct," and I wanted to head that off before it even got started.

471 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:28:53pm

re: #455 MikeAlv77

When one of my brother's was going through basic training he was in a sort of 'leadership' role, part of that was to keep people in line. In the military if anyone used a racial slur on each other, regardless of skin color, he was told to drop the hammer down. True equality. None of the 'double standard' stuff.

472 turn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:29:13pm

re: #448 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Cud chew be a bit more polite? You're giving us gas.

Ok, I'm being a bit too hornry.

473 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:29:27pm

re: #450 drcordell

Obama joined Wright's church because he was a Harvard/Yale educated half-white man running for elected office in a majority-black urban district. Joining Wright's church was a purely political move to prove his "blackness" to the community, and ingratiate himself with the pastors that are very influential in black inner-city politics. Pure politics. Duh.

No doubt that was part of the motivation. Obama's ambition is what drives him. But, reading his two books, and looking at his other associations in his past, I do not think you can chalk all of that up to his desire to succeed. Some of that stuff has sunken in his mind. It has to have. You cannot stew and marinate in that and not walk away from it untouched and above it all. He should just be honest about his past rather than "toss it under the bus" when it becomes a liability. Of course, that would not suit his ambitions, would it?

474 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:29:43pm

re: #452 doppelganglander

Attaboid, and not much.

Wow, I don't even recognize alot of posters now...sorry people.
Need to hang out here more.

475 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:29:43pm

re: #466 acwgusa

There won't be any healthy people under ObamaCare. We'll be weeded off for the good of the state.

/

You'll be made just sick enough they can string you along for taxes, then dumped when you actually might need the health care

476 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:29:44pm

It's time we pay doctors for quality, not quantity

“We need to bundle payments so you (doctors) aren't paid for every single treatment you offer a patient with a chronic condition like diabetes, but instead are paid for how you treat the overall disease. We need to create incentives for physicians to team up – because we know that when that happens, it results in a healthier patient. We need to give doctors bonuses for good health outcomes – so that we are not promoting just more treatment, but better care. [Obama]


Who is going to determine what constitutes a "good outcome?"
Wouldn't someone have to review patient records to make that determination?
What would happen to privacy?
What about doctors who specialize in high risk specialities, where a "good outcome" is rare?
Can we expect the NEA to get on board with the "good outcome" pay scheme?

477 Gang of One  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:29:48pm

re: #415 jill e

I do long for the days when this kind of humor was allowed as a way to expose racism.

I watched a PBS special on comedians last night and Mel Brooks spoke about how the ultimate revenge on Hitler was to make him a laughingstock.

Rhetoric does not get you anywhere, because Hitler and Mussolini are just as good at rhetoric. But if you can bring these people down with comedy, they stand no chance. —Mel Brooks

Absolutely. The devil cannot stand being mocked.

478 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:30:10pm

I hope we can still discuss Blazing Saddles.
The sheriff's a-near!

479 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:30:24pm

re: #441 Gang of One

Then there was the term "sun people" coined by that paragon of tolerance, Professor Leonard Jeffries, who referred to whites as "ice people".

I remember that. do you have a copy of the book "the polically correct guidebook for Idiots"

480 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:30:24pm

re: #457 Oh no...Sand People!

I was raised Catholic for 20 years and it hasn't stopped me from having pre-marital sex, condoning abortion and supporting the equal rights of gays. It doesn't mean I wasn't paying attention during mass for 20 years, it means I recognize bullshit when I hear it. I don't see why Obama couldn't have done the same thing. I understand that he is deservedly catching flak for having attended Wright's church for so long, but I don't think anyone here would like having every word their pastor spoke attributed directly to them.

481 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:30:36pm

re: #468 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its a tough burden to shoulder

I know, but we're going to have to get 'round to it one day.

482 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:31:03pm

re: #470 Charles

I'm not yelling, but this topic often seems to provoke a few people into wanting to post racial slurs, to show how they're not "politically correct," and I wanted to head that off before it even got started.

Recently I've wondered where it is political incorrectness stops and bigotry begins.

483 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:31:16pm

re: #479 Eowyn2

I remember that. do you have a copy of the book "the polically correct guidebook for Idiots"

There's an interesting sci-fi book called "The Ice People" from back in the 70's, as I recall. Don't recall the author.

484 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:31:24pm

re: #478 Kosh's Shadow

I hope we can still discuss Blazing Saddles.
The sheriff's a-near!

Another example of using comedy to cut right down the core of an issue.

485 MikeAlv77  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:31:31pm

re: #471 Oh no...Sand People!

When one of my brother's was going through basic training he was in a sort of 'leadership' role, part of that was to keep people in line. In the military if anyone used a racial slur on each other, regardless of skin color, he was told to drop the hammer down. True equality. None of the 'double standard' stuff.

Except I didn't use the slur, tried to not use it in any way except to explain it in a way so it was obvious what the term was and was making a point. I would never use that particular slur since it is ugly no matter who uses it

486 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:31:34pm

re: #457 Oh no...Sand People!

Yeah, but no way in hell is 20 years not going to have some effect.

Not to mention (in line with the quote about defections up-thread), why th' hell did he stay?

In fairness to Barack, 'tis often the wife who makes the decision about which church to attend.

/and upon THAT note, insert the eloquence of ... *crickets*

487 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:31:47pm

re: #478 Kosh's Shadow

...but not the Irish!

488 avspatti  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:31:49pm

re: #287 Ben Hur


How 'bout everyone taking Morgan Freeman's advise, and STOP TALKING ABOUT RACE.

A thousand updings.

489 Yashmak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:31:51pm

re: #480 drcordell

You make a good point there.

490 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:31:54pm

re: #482 Sharmuta

Recently I've wondered where it is political incorrectness stops and bigotry begins.

I would say where malice starts, but that can be hard to judge.

491 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:32:02pm

re: #478 Kosh's Shadow

I hope we can still discuss Blazing Saddles.
The sheriff's a-near!

You'll get hung.

492 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:32:17pm

re: #476 jcm

It's time we pay doctors for quality, not quantity


Who is going to determine what constitutes a "good outcome?"
Wouldn't someone have to review patient records to make that determination?
What would happen to privacy?
What about doctors who specialize in high risk specialities, where a "good outcome" is rare?
Can we expect the NEA to get on board with the "good outcome" pay scheme?

Any talk of tort reform yet?

493 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:32:21pm

Hmmm... Obama is a racist... some in Israel think so...

[Link: haaretz.com...]

494 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:32:39pm

re: #492 Van Helsing

Any talk of tort reform yet?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Everyone is a comedian.

495 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:32:50pm
496 jaunte  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:32:51pm

re: #483 vxbush

Rene Barjavel. An early unfrozen caveman story.

497 acwgusa  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:32:55pm

re: #476 jcm

It's time we pay doctors for quality, not quantity


Who is going to determine what constitutes a "good outcome?"
Wouldn't someone have to review patient records to make that determination?
What would happen to privacy?
What about doctors who specialize in high risk specialities, where a "good outcome" is rare?
Can we expect the NEA to get on board with the "good outcome" pay scheme?

Horrors! Paying Doctor's what they are worth would mean reigning in Malpractice costs, and removing stupid Health care regionalized competition laws, and allowing the free market, not goverment, to decide the best cost of care! It's goverment kryptonite!

498 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:33:10pm

re: #491 jcm

You'll get hung.

I am.

499 turn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:33:16pm

re: #460 calcajun

Stop with the puns and return to our deep rumination on the issue of race!

Ok, I'll digest the issue - you know chew around with it. Although it will be like pouring salt on my wounds through, I'll try and lick my inner prejudices.

500 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:33:17pm

re: #496 jaunte

Rene Barjavel. An early unfrozen caveman story.

Bingo! Just found it on Amazon, although my copy had a different cover.

501 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:33:26pm

re: #476 jcm

It's time we pay doctors for quality, not quantity


Who is going to determine what constitutes a "good outcome?"
Wouldn't someone have to review patient records to make that determination?
What would happen to privacy?
What about doctors who specialize in high risk specialities, where a "good outcome" is rare?
Can we expect the NEA to get on board with the "good outcome" pay scheme?

That's insane. Everybody dies eventually.

502 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:33:50pm

One of the important things about Blazing Saddles is that the intent of the humor was very clear -- to mock racism and racists, not to slur black people. (Although the race baiting industry would probably make life miserable for any filmmaker who tried to do something like it today.)

When Rush Limbaugh edges around to calling Obama an "Oreo," or when Glenn Beck says Obama hates "white culture" (Google that phrase if you want to see why I label it a "racist dog whistle"), they don't have any such justification for it.

503 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:33:55pm

re: #458 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sure that's the same reason Robert Byrd joined the Klan.

The Klan? Really? That analogy is so absurd in any number of ways. Attending church does not mean that you agree with everything that your pastor says from the pulpit. A church is about worshiping God.

The Klan is an organization that exists solely to advance a white-supremacist world view. You join the Klan to hate Jews and Blacks. There is absolutely no comparison between ANY church and the Klan.

504 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:34:10pm

re: #473 Desert Dog

No doubt that was part of the motivation. Obama's ambition is what drives him. But, reading his two books, and looking at his other associations in his past, I do not think you can chalk all of that up to his desire to succeed. Some of that stuff has sunken in his mind. It has to have. You cannot stew and marinate in that and not walk away from it untouched and above it all. He should just be honest about his past rather than "toss it under the bus" when it becomes a liability. Of course, that would not suit his ambitions, would it?

My question is this: If Obama rejects that sort of thinking personally, why would he let the young minds of his children absorb it?

I don't understand. I would never do that, if I were a parent.

505 acwgusa  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:34:11pm

re: #498 Kosh's Shadow

I am.


/Beavis Laugh/ Hu-hu, He said Hung./Beavis Laugh/

506 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:34:15pm

re: #469 Sharmuta

I think the race baiters on all sides are laughing with delight

The Al Sharptons, the Jesse Jacksons, the Charlie Rangles et al have all bennifitted both politically and financially

507 loudguitars  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:34:24pm

"O"s initial knee jerk reaction to the Gates/Crowley story illustrate his radical racial views. The "Man" was hassling my friend, "the Black Guy". As is turns out Skip Gates is probably the racist. I believe that the president is a crusader, trying to right all of the wrongs ever done in this horrible country.
What is next reparations?

He may not be a racist in a "Klan" manner, but his older speeches, and recent behavior do illustrate his views on race in America. Is this country perfect, No.
Does racism exist, Yes. But Obama is still living is his little 60s/70s radical community organizers mind that believes that basic racial injustice is rampant in a county with a popular minority President?
Nothing could be further from the truth.
The man is a disgrace, he insulted all of law enforcement with his comments.

508 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:34:37pm

re: #480 drcordell

I was raised Catholic for 20 years and it hasn't stopped me from having pre-marital sex, condoning abortion and supporting the equal rights of gays. It doesn't mean I wasn't paying attention during mass for 20 years, it means I recognize bullshit when I hear it. I don't see why Obama couldn't have done the same thing. I understand that he is deservedly catching flak for having attended Wright's church for so long, but I don't think anyone here would like having every word their pastor spoke attributed directly to them.

Well, Obama has 3 + more years on the stage to either affirm or negate this train of thought. I hope he can negate it. I will just sit back, eat my high tax popcorn and find out. I personally have $20 bucks that something along this vein happens again to him.

509 Yashmak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:34:56pm

re: #502 Charles

When Rush Limbaugh edges around to calling Obama an "Oreo," or when Glenn Beck says Obama hates "white culture" (Google that phrase if you want to see why I label it a "racist dog whistle"), they don't have any such justification for it.


Too true. It'd be pretty hard to argue that they intend it as farce or humor.

510 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:35:05pm

re: #480 drcordell

I was raised Catholic for 20 years and it hasn't stopped me from having pre-marital sex, condoning abortion and supporting the equal rights of gays. It doesn't mean I wasn't paying attention during mass for 20 years, it means I recognize bullshit when I hear it. I don't see why Obama couldn't have done the same thing. I understand that he is deservedly catching flak for having attended Wright's church for so long, but I don't think anyone here would like having every word their pastor spoke attributed directly to them.

Excellent. But I need ask- those 20 years you spent were your first 20, right? Øbama's 20 were the last 20.

511 turn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:35:09pm

re: #465 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm having trouble keeping up.
The commentary's getting jerky.

Moo too.

512 jill e  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:35:18pm

re: #445 calcajun

I think you've stumbled on it -- people are offended when they take it too seriously. If you laugh at it, you can start to analyze it more dispassionately.

When you see Blazing Saddles on many channels, they bleep the "N" word and it totally defeats Mel Brooks' purpose.

513 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:35:40pm

re: #498 Kosh's Shadow

I am.

It's twue! It's twue!

514 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:36:27pm

re: #485 MikeAlv77

No. Don't get me wrong... my post is agreeing with your original point. No one, regardless of skin color, should get any more or any less leniency when it comes to that stuff.

Kind of like a 'hate crime'. What other crime is there?! Why give one preferential treatment over another?

515 SteveC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:36:32pm

part of a parking garage at a medical facility in Alpharetta (sp?) - doesn't seem to be anyone hurt, thankfully.

Via Shepard Smith on Fox

516 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:36:45pm

re: #507 loudguitars

"O"s initial knee jerk reaction to the Gates/Crowley story illustrate his radical racial views. The "Man" was hassling my friend, "the Black Guy". As is turns out Skip Gates is probably the racist. I believe that the president is a crusader, trying to right all of the wrongs ever done in this horrible country.
What is next reparations?

He may not be a racist in a "Klan" manner, but his older speeches, and recent behavior do illustrate his views on race in America. Is this country perfect, No.
Does racism exist, Yes. But Obama is still living is his little 60s/70s radical community organizers mind that believes that basic racial injustice is rampant in a county with a popular minority President?
Nothing could be further from the truth.
The man is a disgrace, he insulted all of law enforcement with his comments.

So, he is a racist in some other way, besides the clan way? Am I understanding you correctly?

517 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:36:46pm

The birthers in Congress

Seventeen men and women who are either enabling the fringe movement or having trouble admitting Obama is president

518 Gang of One  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:36:50pm

re: #479 Eowyn2

I remember that. do you have a copy of the book "the polically correct guidebook for Idiots"

No. Did not until now that it was in print. Must be a fun read.

519 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:36:57pm

What's "white culture" anyway? Is that like Captain & Tennile?

'Cause I hate that shit, too.

520 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:37:01pm

re: #503 drcordell

The Klan? Really? That analogy is so absurd in any number of ways. Attending church does not mean that you agree with everything that your pastor says from the pulpit. A church is about worshiping God.
The Klan is an organization that exists solely to advance a white-supremacist world view. You join the Klan to hate Jews and Blacks. There is absolutely no comparison between ANY church and the Klan.


I think maybe you need to do a little more research into TUCC and Black Liberation Theology.

521 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:37:05pm

re: #495 MikeySDCA

You, of course, had precious little choice for most if not all of those 20 years. Bambi walked in off the street and chose Wright's bullshit.

Actually, I'm betting Michelle chose Wright for him.

522 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:37:13pm

re: #508 Oh no...Sand People!

I personally have $20 bucks that something along this vein happens again to him.


Sure it will, because the man cannot keep his mouth shut. It's not just racially-tinged incidents; he feels the need to shoot his mouth off on everything whether he knows the facts or not.

523 shortshrift  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:37:16pm

re: #282 Gus 802

What if we substitute that with the word redneck.

Now compare Jeff Foxworthy using the word redneck against Janeane Garofalo using the word redneck.

No. Foxworthy (I had to look him up ) makes jokes about ignorant whites in the same way that black comedians make jokes about ignorant blacks (and even call them "niggahs"). If Foxworthy performed from the script of the black comedian that would racist. If the black comedian performed from Foxworthy's script, that would not be racist, because rednecks are an acceptable butt (and I doubt that anyone self-identifies as a redneck - except satirically - and there are no civil rights activists campaigning against redneckophobia that I am aware of, though one might argue that the BNP is doing something along those lines!). Compare to Corkmen jokes by the Irish.
Garofalo uses the word redneck to express her contempt for ignorant white racists and religious fundamentalists and Republicans and conservatives whom she thinks are all ignorant racists. This usage is intentionally insulting , but not a racist.
Were Garofalo to use the term "oreo" about, say, Thomas Sowell, she would be saying that Thomas Sowell has sold out to white (conservative) culture and thereby identify herself as pro-black culture liberal of the Professor Gates school of thought. Thomas Sowell himself would not be offended. If she uses the term about say, Professor Gates, whose career has been based on asserting the superiority of black culture over white culture, that would be deeply offensive to the Professor - though some black students of the Professor's, taking his teachings seriously, might say that his becoming a Harvard professor is a sell-out.
Given that the term "oreo" is about false appearances, the only way I can see "oreo" as being more derogatory when used by a white person as an insult is where the black outside is posited as worse than the white inside. It is very hard to set up a theoretical situation where "oreo" would be recognised as such an insult. Perhaps if Foxworthy had one of his rednecks say it to another redneck...!

524 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:37:17pm
525 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:37:24pm

re: #495 MikeySDCA

You, of course, had precious little choice for most if not all of those 20 years. Bambi walked in off the street and chose Wright's bullshit.

Like I said earlier. He chose Wright's church because he was a half-black, Ivy-League educated outsider who needed to build his relationship with the Chicago black community so he could get elected. Joining the city's most prominent black church was the way to accomplish this. Once he had gotten what he needed from the relationship, and Wright's outrageous sermons began impacting him politically, he cut the guy loose. All of the facts are right there in black and white. Trinity Church was a political tool.

526 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:37:45pm

re: #513 MandyManners

It's twue! It's twue!

*spew*

Soup all over my monitor!

ROFLMAO!

527 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:37:51pm

re: #515 SteveC

part of a parking garage at a medical facility in Alpharetta (sp?) - doesn't seem to be anyone hurt, thankfully.

Via Shepard Smith on Fox

Yipes, that's my neck of the woods. And that's the second parking garage collapse in metro Atlanta this month.

528 Wendya  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:38:22pm

re: #245 Eowyn2

OT- Weird sighting.

On the way back from lunch I pull up behind a Smart Car.
the Smart Car is sitting on the RR tracks (not often used except at lunch time) and is sporting a 1776 sticker from the tea parties.

Apparently, Dutch vandals have taken to tossing Smart Cars into canals.

[Link: www.wired.com...]

529 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:38:28pm

re: #521 unrealizedviewpoint

Actually, I'm betting Michelle chose Wright for him.

He was attending before he and Michelle met, I think. Wright performed their wedding ceremony.

530 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:38:38pm

re: #514 Oh no...Sand People!

No. Don't get me wrong... my post is agreeing with your original point. No one, regardless of skin color, should get any more or any less leniency when it comes to that stuff.

Kind of like a 'hate crime'. What other crime is there?! Why give one preferential treatment over another?

Hate crime laws. One of the worst ideas ever.
Equal protection under the law was a basic principle of this country.
Now? "Some are more equal than others".

531 avspatti  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:38:41pm

re: #476 jcm

It's time we pay doctors for quality, not quantity


Who is going to determine what constitutes a "good outcome?"
Wouldn't someone have to review patient records to make that determination?
What would happen to privacy?
What about doctors who specialize in high risk specialities, where a "good outcome" is rare?
Can we expect the NEA to get on board with the "good outcome" pay scheme?

What happens if someone dies??? Heaven forbid. So totally ridiculous.

532 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:38:57pm

re: #511 turn

Moo too.

If you want to leave I'll show you the mat a the dor.

533 Yashmak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:39:03pm

re: #519 Kenneth

What's "white culture" anyway? Is that like Captain & Tennile?

'Cause I hate that shit, too.

Lol, Neil Diamond maybe hehe. On the other hand, we stuff like CCR to offset stuff like that.

534 acwgusa  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:39:15pm

re: #528 Wendya

Apparently, Dutch vandals have taken to tossing Smart Cars into canals.

[Link: www.wired.com...]

Apparently, Smart did not anticipate it's unexpected entry into the small boat market.

//

535 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:39:16pm
536 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:39:26pm

re: #482 Sharmuta

Recently I've wondered where it is political incorrectness stops and bigotry begins.

PC demands that we stop even making fun of the bigots and racists in a Blazing Saddles fashion lest we make an insult by mistake. Bigotry is simply making the insult to insult and injure while feeling no remorse for what has been done. PC is what brought us all the Hyphenated-American names for people who should just simply be Americans.

537 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:39:42pm

re: #525 drcordell

Like I said earlier. He chose Wright's church because he was a half-black, Ivy-League educated outsider who needed to build his relationship with the Chicago black community so he could get elected. Joining the city's most prominent black church was the way to accomplish this. Once he had gotten what he needed from the relationship, and Wright's outrageous sermons began impacting him politically, he cut the guy loose. All of the facts are right there in black and white. Trinity Church was a political tool.

And you are certain of this because of your uncanny ability to read minds? Or, is it a guess on your part?

538 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:40:44pm

re: #523 shortshrift

No. Foxworthy (I had to look him up ) makes jokes about ignorant whites in the same way that black comedians make jokes about ignorant blacks (and even call them "niggahs"). If Foxworthy performed from the script of the black comedian that would racist. If the black comedian performed from Foxworthy's script, that would not be racist, because rednecks are an acceptable butt (and I doubt that anyone self-identifies as a redneck - except satirically - and there are no civil rights activists campaigning against redneckophobia that I am aware of, though one might argue that the BNP is doing something along those lines!). Compare to Corkmen jokes by the Irish.
Garofalo uses the word redneck to express her contempt for ignorant white racists and religious fundamentalists and Republicans and conservatives whom she thinks are all ignorant racists. This usage is intentionally insulting , but not a racist.
Were Garofalo to use the term "oreo" about, say, Thomas Sowell, she would be saying that Thomas Sowell has sold out to white (conservative) culture and thereby identify herself as pro-black culture liberal of the Professor Gates school of thought. Thomas Sowell himself would not be offended. If she uses the term about say, Professor Gates, whose career has been based on asserting the superiority of black culture over white culture, that would be deeply offensive to the Professor - though some black students of the Professor's, taking his teachings seriously, might say that his becoming a Harvard professor is a sell-out.
Given that the term "oreo" is about false appearances, the only way I can see "oreo" as being more derogatory when used by a white person as an insult is where the black outside is posited as worse than the white inside. It is very hard to set up a theoretical situation where "oreo" would be recognised as such an insult. Perhaps if Foxworthy had one of his rednecks say it to another redneck...!

You can go through all the mental calculations you want to, but it is very simple. Oreo is a slam when a black uses it about another black. Ergo, it is a slam if a white uses it.

No amount of words or "knight jump" machinations will change that. Give it up.

539 SteveC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:40:54pm

re: #486 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In fairness to Barack, 'tis often the wife who makes the decision about which church to attend.

It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house. - Proverbs 21:9

540 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:41:32pm

re: #457 Oh no...Sand People!

Yeah, but no way in hell is 20 years not going to have some effect.

In one of his books, Obama said Wright's Audacity of Hope speech made him cry.

541 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:42:10pm

re: #525 drcordell

Like I said earlier. He chose Wright's church because he was a half-black, Ivy-League educated outsider who needed to build his relationship with the Chicago black community so he could get elected. Joining the city's most prominent black church was the way to accomplish this. Once he had gotten what he needed from the relationship, and Wright's outrageous sermons began impacting him politically, he cut the guy loose. All of the facts are right there in black and white. Trinity Church was a political tool.

Wright's church also matched Obama's ideology with it's Black Liberation Theology. He felt comfortable there.

The title of Reverend Wright’s sermon that morning was “The Audacity of Hope.” He began with a passage from the Book of Samuel—the story of Hannah, who, barren and taunted by her rivals, had wept and shaken in prayer before her God. The story reminded him, he said, of a sermon a fellow pastor had preached at a conference some years before, in which the pastor described going to a museum and being confronted by a painting title Hope.

“The painting depicts a harpist,” Reverend Wright explained, “a woman who at first glance appears to be sitting atop a great mountain. Until you take a closer look and see that the woman is bruised and bloodied, dressed in tattered rags, the harp reduced to a single frayed string. Your eye is then drawn down to the scene below, down to the valley below, where everywhere are the ravages of famine, the drumbeat of war, a world groaning under strife and deprivation.

“It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere…That’s the world! On which hope sits!”

And so it went, a meditation on a fallen world. While the boys next to me doodled on their church bulletin, Reverend Wright spoke of Sharpsville and Hiroshima, the callousness of policy makers in the White House and in the State House. As the sermon unfolded, though, the stories of strife became more prosaic, the pain more immediate. The reverend spoke of the hardship that the congregation would face tomorrow, the pain of those far from the mountaintop, worrying about paying the light bill…

Dreams of My Father, Barack Obama

542 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:42:13pm

re: #524 buzzsawmonkey

Spare me your idealized templates. The Klan sold itself as a "Christian" organization--in other words, it tapped into the desire to worship G-d just as surely as Jeremiah Wright's church did. And, like Jeremiah Wright, and his church, it sold a racist ideology.

Joining the Klan for political advancement would have been totally unexceptional in, say, Indiana in 1920--when the Klan ran that state. It is absolutely no different from Barack Obama joining a church with a racist ideology to advance his political career.

I'm not saying I agree with Wright. But the money quotes that pop up again and again are about 5 minutes worth of speaking culled from 20 years of sermons. He said some racist things over the course of his career. But the purpose of his ENTIRE CHURCH was not a seething hatred of white people.

The Klan beat and lynched Jews and blacks, bombed churches and burned crosses in peoples yards. If you can't see the difference between the two, you're either an idiot or willfully distorting the facts to stoke a disagreement.

543 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:42:33pm

re: #499 turn

Ok, I'll digest the issue - you know chew around with it. Although it will be like pouring salt on my wounds through, I'll try and lick my inner prejudices.

Looks like you might be turning into a blockhead.
I'd be careful how you feed that -- it's a trough row to hoe.
Though you're feeling your oats now, you'll never reach your hayday.
Your comment output will become pasture-ized and your ass will be grass.

/just sayin' ... please don't take a fence

544 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:42:33pm

re: #540 HelloDare

In one of his books, Obama said Wright's Audacity of Hope speech made him cry.

All an act...to gain acceptance in the "Black Community", no doubt.

545 turn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:42:39pm

re: #532 Mad Al-Jaffee

If you want to leave I'll show you the mat a the dor.

That comment was torroly uncalled for ... I"m seeing red, I just can't s'cape the criticism.

546 formercorpsman  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:43:05pm

re: #462 Walter L. Newton

Trust me Walter, I am way long into this by now. The public has no idea what is in store for them.

Problem is, this nothing more than too many of us anymore who would rather not think critically, examine the cause & affect, and are perfectly comfortable with having politicians promise to tell them how to live.

The first question for anyone really considering this, would be: The fact it did not work the first time, why should they be given a chance to get it wrong a second time?

Steyn had an excellent article about today.

547 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:43:45pm

re: #536 Honorary Yooper

PC demands that we stop even making fun of the bigots and racists in a Blazing Saddles fashion lest we make an insult by mistake. Bigotry is simply making the insult to insult and injure while feeling no remorse for what has been done. PC is what brought us all the Hyphenated-American names for people who should just simply be Americans.

My point is that bigots will use "politically incorrect" as a mask for their bigotry.

And before words get put into my mouth- I'm not talking about anyone here. I mean this in a larger sense, but I bring it up because I think it should be considered.

548 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:44:06pm

re: #511 turn

Moo too.

You were in on that one with bells on!

549 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:44:19pm

re: #533 Yashmak

Lol, Neil Diamond maybe hehe. On the other hand, we stuff like CCR to offset stuff like that.

DUDE! Creedence Clearwater Revival. No one has yet to match their style of music. Talk about a unique vibe.

550 badger1970  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:44:24pm

re: #380 Desert Dog

Sometimes I rather be oblivious to the current slang to call someone an ethnic derogatory term.

It's a shame that all this crap started when BDS hit where the president could be called all sots of nasty names. As far as I know W never responded in kind. ODiouS is the flip side of the same coin however unfortunate, bo takes everything personally, to even verbally threaten private citizens and implying a law enforcement officer was stupid.

Is bo racist? Maybe, maybe not but he is very thinned skinned.

551 haakondahl  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:44:25pm

re: #523 shortshrift

I'm not even going to bother with argung. Just WOW! and a down-ding of "You are one messed-up dude" disagreement.

552 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:44:45pm

re: #530 Van Helsing

Hate crime laws. One of the worst ideas ever.
Equal protection under the law was a basic principle of this country.
Now? "Some are more equal than others".

Yup, complete and utter bullshit. A crime is a crime and the identity of the victim should not be question. Would it be less of a crime if I killed a man for his wallet than if I chose to kill a man because I didn't like him and stole his wallet?

553 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:45:12pm

re: #540 HelloDare

In one of his books, Obama said Wright's Audacity of Hope speech made him cry.

Well, that was a cry of political calculation...
//

554 loudguitars  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:46:10pm

He is a racist in the way he approaches race in this country. I believe that he looks at persons color BEFORE anything else. And by his reaction to Gates arrest, associations with Rev. Wright and ACORN, prove my point.
I don't think any fair minded person wouldn't call Rev. Wright a racist.

His wife Michelle and Gates himself have used the word "Whitey" in a public forum.
Wouldn't that be a racist term? If a white person used the term "Blackey" what would happen?

MLK paraphrase. Judged not by the color of his skin but the content of his character.

That is how I am judging our President.

555 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:46:18pm

re: #503 drcordell

It's not as easy as that. There was a time in this country--and in certain parts--that you needed to be in the Klan or have their support if you wanted to succeed at anything. Anyone who wanted to get into politics needed Klan support in parts of the south and mid-west. Men like Hugo Black, Byrd, Thurmond, Wallace, all joined more out of expediency than an earnest belief in the Klan policies. I'm not condoning what was done or the policies of the Klan-- it's just that was the way it was back then.

556 turn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:47:37pm

re: #543 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Looks like you might be turning into a blockhead.
I'd be careful how you feed that -- it's a trough row to hoe.
Though you're feeling your oats now, you'll never reach your hayday.
Your comment output will become pasture-ized and your ass will be grass.

/just sayin' ... please don't take a fence

Wow, that ass will be grass comment was a real barb. Rather than post shit like that here why don't you wire? You're going to brand me - go jump off a hoof.

557 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:47:38pm

bbl

558 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:47:38pm

re: #529 doppelganglander

He was attending before he and Michelle met, I think. Wright performed their wedding ceremony.

The Obama's 1st date was in 1989 (Spike Lee movie), 20 years ago. I'm not so sure.

559 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:47:48pm

re: #541 jcm

Do you even understand what black liberation theology means?

560 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:47:50pm

re: #363 J.S.

sometimes, they're referred to as Aboriginals...(the "racialist" ones also have a tendency to refer to Natives trying to be white as "radishes."...)

That really struck me funny!

561 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:47:55pm

re: #547 Sharmuta

My point is that bigots will use "politically incorrect" as a mask for their bigotry.

And before words get put into my mouth- I'm not talking about anyone here. I mean this in a larger sense, but I bring it up because I think it should be considered.

Very true, but bigots will use just about anything to mask their true intentions. We have bigots in Europe who have appropriated Hindu and Norse symbols for their own. We have bigots in the US who hide behind a claim to be against or for "political correctness". There are bigots who claim to be "anti-jihad" but are really anti-muslem. We have bigots who use the mask of "anti-Zionism" to hide their Jew-hate. Bigots will use any mask at their disposal to make their bigotry more palpable to the general population.

562 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:48:10pm

re: #545 turn

That comment was torroly uncalled for ... I"m seeing red, I just can't s'cape the criticism.

I have a skewer for that aliment.

563 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:48:41pm

re: #552 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yup, complete and utter bullshit. A crime is a crime and the identity of the victim should not be question. Would it be less of a crime if I killed a man for his wallet than if I chose to kill a man because I didn't like him and stole his wallet?

What about "love" crimes? The prep hacks his lover to death, because he loved her and couldn't bear to have her leave.

If we use the logic that "hate crimes" are worse that "regular crime" shouldn't a "love crime" have a lesser sentence?

564 turn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:48:44pm

re: #548 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You were in on that one with bells on!

Is that what you herd?

565 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:49:20pm

re: #58 vxbush

My grandfather sold those in his store, rather than Oreos. I had half forgotten that until you mentioned it.

"Sunshine Hydrox" doesn't have quite the yum appeal that "Oreo Cookie" does.

566 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:49:53pm

re: #563 jcm

What about "love" crimes? The prep hacks his lover to death, because he loved her and couldn't bear to have her leave.

If we use the logic that "hate crimes" are worse that "regular crime" shouldn't a "love crime" have a lesser sentence?

a humor crime..."hahahaha!...yer killin me!"

567 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:50:16pm

re: #552 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yup, complete and utter bullshit. A crime is a crime and the identity of the victim should not be question. Would it be less of a crime if I killed a man for his wallet than if I chose to kill a man because I didn't like him and stole his wallet?

Distinction for honor killing?

568 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:50:27pm

re: #556 turn

Wow, that ass will be grass comment was a real barb. Rather than post shit like that here why don't you wire? You're going to brand me - go jump off a hoof.

See! Now you rail at me!
Gate off of it, you ranchy b*stard!

/sorry, got stuff to do here ... we shall continue this teat-for-tat later

569 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:50:46pm

re: #564 turn

Is that what you herd?

Bullshit ! You putting cuds in her mouth ?

/

570 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:50:52pm

re: #552 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yup, complete and utter bullshit. A crime is a crime and the identity of the victim should not be question. Would it be less of a crime if I killed a man for his wallet than if I chose to kill a man because I didn't like him and stole his wallet?

We have a tradition of looking to motive in our legal history, don't we? Manslaughter versus Murder in the 1st Degree. I think why someone commits a crime does have a bearing on how that person is charged and prosecuted. I do have a problem about what will used to determine motive with some of this hate crime legislation. In this era of political correctness and moral equivalency, WHO gets to decide what is a hate crime makes me worry a little.

571 turn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:50:56pm

re: #562 calcajun

I have a skewer for that aliment.

Why don't you just leave? Yeah, just Picador and don't let it hit ya on the way out.

572 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:51:09pm

re: #565 reine.de.tout

"Sunshine Hydrox" doesn't have quite the yum appeal that "Oreo Cookie" does.

"Oreos," as a word, does come trippingly off the tongue far easier than "Hydrox." And much easier to write a song about them, too.

573 badger1970  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:51:27pm

re: #565 reine.de.tout

In this economy I'm just glad to buy the Great Value brand of chocolate "creme" sandwich cookies.

574 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:51:32pm

re: #568 pre-Boomer Marine brat

See! Now you rail at me!
Gate off of it, you ranchy b*stard!

/sorry, got stuff to do here ... we shall continue this teat-for-tat later

Have I missed an "implements of animal husbandry" pun thread? Damn!

575 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:52:02pm

re: #562 calcajun

I have a skewer for that aliment.

There's too much saber rattling here today.

576 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:52:11pm

re: #480 drcordell

But being raised something is different from consciously, as an adult, choosing to identify as something.

577 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:52:13pm

re: #555 calcajun

I'd generally agree with that statement. But I still reject any parallel between a church with a pastor who gave a few questionable sermons over the course of 20 years with a militant white supremacist group.

578 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:52:42pm

re: #571 turn

Why don't you just leave? Yeah, just Picador and don't let it hit ya on the way out.

That would bovine with me.

579 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:52:55pm

re: #559 drcordell

Do you even understand what black liberation theology means?

It's source is Marxist infiltration of Catholic Church in Central America, since Marxists had trouble going against the Church they subverted it.

All of Obama's influence, his mother, Davis, his father, the people he sought out Alinsky, Ayers, and likely Cloward and Piven at Columbia were all radical leftists.

Obama was comfortable with Black Liberation Theology and Wright.

580 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:53:01pm

re: #577 drcordell

I'd generally agree with that statement. But I still reject any parallel between a church with a pastor who gave a few questionable sermons over the course of 20 years with a militant white supremacist group.

Separated by degrees, not intent

581 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:53:40pm

re: #575 Mad Al-Jaffee

There's too much saber rattling here today.

Too much angus-t if you ask me.

582 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:53:50pm

re: #576 Dianna

I wasn't forced to attend church once I was old enough to assert myself. But I chose to anyway because I knew that it would deeply upset my grandmother if I were to repudiate her Catholic faith. I don't see how that is any different than Obama attending Trinity to gain visibility within the black community.

583 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:53:56pm

re: #561 Honorary Yooper

You meant "palatable" but I updinged you anyway.

584 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:54:09pm

Thirty-three second audio clip of Obama reading from his book "Dreams of My Father". He is recalling Wright's Audacity of Hope speech.

Obviously, Wright had a big affect on Obama's life. If nothing else, he took the title of his bestseller from the Audacity of Hope speech.

585 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:54:33pm

re: #559 drcordell

Do you even understand what black liberation theology means?

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

This is a good dip in the Black Liberation Theology pool.
There is a whole lot more where this came from...

586 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:54:36pm

re: #574 Creeping Eruption

Have I missed an "implements of animal husbandry" pun thread? Damn!

We've got a few up our sleeve!

587 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:54:44pm

OT - Hey! Let's let the government run our health care!

EPA switches mileage figures midstream, "Cash for Clunkers" deals go sour.

588 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:54:51pm

re: #581 calcajun

Too much angus-t if you ask me.

Don't bovine them, they are just cow-ards

589 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:54:59pm

re: #581 calcajun

Too much angus-t if you ask me.

Can't wegyu-et along?

590 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:55:12pm

re: #561 Honorary Yooper

Very true, but bigots will use just about anything to mask their true intentions. We have bigots in Europe who have appropriated Hindu and Norse symbols for their own. We have bigots in the US who hide behind a claim to be against or for "political correctness". There are bigots who claim to be "anti-jihad" but are really anti-muslem. We have bigots who use the mask of "anti-Zionism" to hide their Jew-hate. Bigots will use any mask at their disposal to make their bigotry more palpable to the general population.

That's all very true, which is why I posited the first comments about this- where is the line? I'm leaning towards EmmieG's response which is "malice". And she was right that it's not always easy to detect. I personally think it means we need to be more discerning.

591 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:55:16pm

re: #582 drcordell

I wasn't forced to attend church once I was old enough to assert myself. But I chose to anyway because I knew that it would deeply upset my grandmother if I were to repudiate her Catholic faith. I don't see how that is any different than Obama attending Trinity to gain visibility within the black community.

I think the difference is in the message...God DAMN America!...that sort of thing

592 turn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:55:33pm

re: #578 calcajun

That would bovine with me.

Are you for veal? I'm just kidding, don't be a ham (OT man it's cold in my office brrr - grrr)

593 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:56:00pm
594 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:56:10pm

re: #579 jcm

DAMN!
I gotta go, but now I want to see what sorta BS DrC comes up with!

595 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:56:17pm

re: #589 Mad Al-Jaffee

Can't wegyu-et along?

I am just marbling at all the aged puns that are being trotted out.

596 turn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:56:20pm

re: #581 calcajun

Too much angus-t if you ask me.

Ha, you butchered that post.

597 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:56:25pm

re: #554 loudguitars

He is a racist in the way he approaches race in this country. I believe that he looks at persons color BEFORE anything else. And by his reaction to Gates arrest, associations with Rev. Wright and ACORN, prove my point.
I don't think any fair minded person wouldn't call Rev. Wright a racist.

His wife Michelle and Gates himself have used the word "Whitey" in a public forum.
Wouldn't that be a racist term? If a white person used the term "Blackey" what would happen?

MLK paraphrase. Judged not by the color of his skin but the content of his character.

That is how I am judging our President.

I wasn't asking about Michelle or Gates, I was talking about the President. And I wasn't asking about white people and terms they use or would use.

Let's stick to Barry. Why is he a racist (not the Klan type, per your description)?

You're the one who made the statement, now I'm asking for your definition.

Your turn.

598 quiet man  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:56:31pm

Rev Wright is pure racistre: #591 albusteve

Rev Wright is pure racist and Obama had his voice in his ears for a very long time

Rev Wright is pure racist

599 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:56:39pm

re: #416 blueherron

Maybe Baltimore is "post racial"? I don't know, I just thought the country might be past this, what with Obama being president, but I guess not. It seems that his presidency has really made that racist dog whistle so much louder. I'm still hoping something good will come out of the Gates/Crowley affair.

It brought the reality of reverse-racial-stereotyping to the forefront.

600 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:56:42pm

re: #582 drcordell

I wasn't forced to attend church once I was old enough to assert myself. But I chose to anyway because I knew that it would deeply upset my grandmother if I were to repudiate her Catholic faith. I don't see how that is any different than Obama attending Trinity to gain visibility within the black community.

I do. I see the difference quite clearly.

I, too, went to church with my family for some years after there was any form of coercion. Disappointing grandma isn't done. But! I didn't join anything else, as an adult, for any reason except interest or belief.

As for "cred"? Anyone who cares about their "cred" instantly loses credibility with me.

601 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:57:06pm

Obama a racist? Crap like this just ruins the term. He is not and it's silly to call him that.

I would say he's a racialist, in that he thinks in terms of race, in the same way that Gates, Jackson, Sharpton, and Wright do, and like many on the left do. I think it's obvious he falls short of Sharpton/Wright/Jackson in extremism on the subject. Millions of Americans could be called racialists, but they are not racists. I don't agree with the philosophy or the constructs but sinister or evil they are not like true racists.

Beck is a fool.

602 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:57:07pm

re: #570 Desert Dog

We have a tradition of looking to motive in our legal history, don't we? Manslaughter versus Murder in the 1st Degree. I think why someone commits a crime does have a bearing on how that person is charged and prosecuted. I do have a problem about what will used to determine motive with some of this hate crime legislation. In this era of political correctness and moral equivalency, WHO gets to decide what is a hate crime makes me worry a little.

Murder 1 - premedidated murder, you planned it in advance
Murder 2 - manslaughter, accidental, but you performed a dangerous action with intent to harm which led to the death
Murder 3 - manslaughter, you had no intent to kill or harm, but your actions led to the death

Pretty much ties up the loose ends. A "hate crime" would either be 1 or 2, either you planned to kill in advance or were willing to hurt someone badly enough to kill them. That kind of thought can't be legislated against or controlled thru silly nonsense laws.

603 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:57:38pm

re: #595 calcajun

I am just marbling at all the aged puns that are being trotted out.

There have been some searing beef puns today. It's about time for me to mooove on home.

604 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:57:54pm

re: #587 SixDegrees

OT - Hey! Let's let the government run our health care!

EPA switches mileage figures midstream, "Cash for Clunkers" deals go sour.

OH NO! WE SUCK AGAIN!

605 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:58:15pm

re: #573 badger1970

In this economy I'm just glad to buy the Great Value brand of chocolate "creme" sandwich cookies.

Actually, many of the "great value" brand items are very good.
But the brand name "great value" has no more of the "yum" factor than "Hydrox".

606 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:58:24pm

re: #601 BigPapa

"Racialist" always reminds meof Ali-G.

"Ain't that a bit racialist?"

607 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:58:25pm

re: #521 unrealizedviewpoint

Actually, I'm betting Michelle chose Wright for him.

That's exactly what happened. Michelle was already a member of Wright's congregation when she met Obama. She took him there. He described it in his book, "it was like I came home".

608 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:58:43pm
609 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:58:45pm

re: #598 quiet man

Rev Wright is pure racist

Rev Wright is pure racist and Obama had his voice in his ears for a very long time

Rev Wright is pure racist

So, is Barry a racist?

610 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:59:12pm

re: #577 drcordell

I'd generally agree with that statement. But I still reject any parallel between a church with a pastor who gave a few questionable sermons over the course of 20 years with a militant white supremacist group.

"a few questionable sermons over the course of 20 years" ?

You are either ignorant, or a blatant calculating liar.

Would you like me to spell that?
L I A R

/GAZE ... FOAD asshole

611 shortshrift  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:59:16pm

re: #307 Walter L. Newton

Please see my last which explains why it is not so simple.
I think that a reverse-oreo cultural image is needed - white on the outside black on the inside for an example of a "simple" racist insult.
There is something peculiarly stupid about McLaughlin asking the "oreo" question, but he related it to Jesse Jackson's remark about Obama. Quite rightly, people of all races responded to this by repudiating the "oreo" metaphor because it relies on the racist idea that blacks must repudiate white culture (because white culture is irredeemably racist).
Generally speaking, any word can be an insult. So, I suppose, someone hurling the word at someone else might intend an insult - but it might not necessarily be taken as one.
I am reminded of a story of an Israeli describing a cultural exchange visit to some iron curtain country. A person from the next table kept hissing "You are a Jew" at him. It took him a while to realize that "Jew" was meant to be an insult.

612 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:00:06pm

re: #579 jcm

It's source is Marxist infiltration of Catholic Church in Central America, since Marxists had trouble going against the Church they subverted it.

All of Obama's influence, his mother, Davis, his father, the people he sought out Alinsky, Ayers, and likely Cloward and Piven at Columbia were all radical leftists.

Obama was comfortable with Black Liberation Theology and Wright.

Central America? No. Black Liberation Theology began as a pushback of black pastors against the assertions that Christianity is a "white man's religion" after Malcom X began attacking it as such.

613 quiet man  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:00:07pm

re: #609 Walter L. Newton
Barry has certainly had his share of anti white and anti US earfulls I would say

614 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:00:09pm

re: #567 Creeping Eruption

Distinction for honor killing?

Are we going to add a penalty? Or excuse the crime because it's "cultural"?

Neither is acceptable. We can treat an "honor killing" as a motive, and say, "It doesn't excuse it, we're just dragging an ugly idea out into the light", but that's about all.

After all, there was a time when daughters truly feared their fathers would, indeed, kill them if they became pregnant outside of wedlock.

615 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:00:24pm

re: #608 taxfreekiller

Point? Context? Sad, but why is it here?

616 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:00:31pm

re: #606 Mad Al-Jaffee

How did you know I point with my wrists?

Upding for Ali-G ref!

617 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:01:04pm

re: #601 BigPapa

Obama a racist? Crap like this just ruins the term. He is not and it's silly to call him that.

I would say he's a racialist, in that he thinks in terms of race, in the same way that Gates, Jackson, Sharpton, and Wright do, and like many on the left do. I think it's obvious he falls short of Sharpton/Wright/Jackson in extremism on the subject. Millions of Americans could be called racialists, but they are not racists. I don't agree with the philosophy or the constructs but sinister or evil they are not like true racists.

Beck is a fool.

Oh boy. The racialists are just as prevalent on the other side. The rift with the "counter-jihad" bloggers should be proof of that. The two sides feed off each other. They're not such enemies to each other either, as they want the same goals.

618 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:01:30pm

re: #476 jcm

I can't tell you precisely what a good outcome is, but I sure as heck know what a bad outcome is:

1) You die.
2) Your treatment is delayed causing additional injury, pain and suffering, up to and including death.
3) You are abused.

In sum, it's what happens all too frequently at NYC public hospitals operated by the HHC, and which has routinely engaged in a massive coverup to hide the fraud from investigators (if the investigators even bother to check, that is).

619 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:01:39pm

re: #521 unrealizedviewpoint

Actually, I'm betting Michelle chose Wright for him.

Who is this "avspatti" downdinging me here? Serial? Explain yourself avspatti.

620 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:01:49pm

re: #614 Dianna

Are we going to add a penalty? Or excuse the crime because it's "cultural"?

Neither is acceptable. We can treat an "honor killing" as a motive, and say, "It doesn't excuse it, we're just dragging an ugly idea out into the light", but that's about all.

After all, there was a time when daughters truly feared their fathers would, indeed, kill them if they became pregnant outside of wedlock.

I was thinking more along the lines of whether it would classify as a hate crime.

621 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:02:24pm
622 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:02:27pm

re: #542 drcordell

I'm not saying I agree with Wright. But the money quotes that pop up again and again are about 5 minutes worth of speaking culled from 20 years of sermons. He said some racist things over the course of his career. But the purpose of his ENTIRE CHURCH was not a seething hatred of white people.

The Klan beat and lynched Jews and blacks, bombed churches and burned crosses in peoples yards. If you can't see the difference between the two, you're either an idiot or willfully distorting the facts to stoke a disagreement.

Yes, but upthread you said:

You join the Klan to hate Jews and Blacks. There is absolutely no comparison between ANY church and the Klan.

That is something TUCC and the Klan have in common. You could only really be comfortable there if you hate someone, I think. You don't necessarily have to express your hatred physically.

If BLT is preached in a church, there is a race problem there.

623 wahabicorridor  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:02:29pm

Just posted in the spinoffs - wanted to be sure you guys see it.

Fla. doctor resigns from post over Obama image

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — A Florida neurosurgeon has resigned from his post with a county medical association after forwarding an e-mail with an image portraying President Barack Obama as a witch doctor.

Dr. David McKalip submitted his resignation as president-elect of the Pinellas County Medical Association last week, and plans to remove himself as a delegate with the American Medical Association.

McKalip forwarded an image depicting Obama in a loincloth and with bones in his nose. The caption read, "ObamaCare, coming soon to a clinic near you," and was forwarded to about 150 people.

The doctor has apologized for his actions, telling a Tampa radio station it was a "very bad mistake."

Oh, and I'm with Beck on this one. The man parked his but in Jerimiah Wright's pews for 20 years.

624 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:02:34pm

re: #604 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OH NO! WE SUCK AGAIN!

RE-SUCK.

625 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:02:38pm

re: #611 shortshrift

Please see my last which explains why it is not so simple.
I think that a reverse-oreo cultural image is needed - white on the outside black on the inside for an example of a "simple" racist insult.
There is something peculiarly stupid about McLaughlin asking the "oreo" question, but he related it to Jesse Jackson's remark about Obama. Quite rightly, people of all races responded to this by repudiating the "oreo" metaphor because it relies on the racist idea that blacks must repudiate white culture (because white culture is irredeemably racist).
Generally speaking, any word can be an insult. So, I suppose, someone hurling the word at someone else might intend an insult - but it might not necessarily be taken as one.
I am reminded of a story of an Israeli describing a cultural exchange visit to some iron curtain country. A person from the next table kept hissing "You are a Jew" at him. It took him a while to realize that "Jew" was meant to be an insult.

Three posts from you, trying NOT to answer my simple question. Maybe I will put it in a more step by step process.

1) "Oreo" is a slam when used by blacks in regards to another black (yes/no)
2) If "Yes" than any white using it about a black is insulting that black person (yes/no)

Simply answer those two questions for me, yes or no.

626 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:02:45pm

Wow. Libertarian wacko Wayne Allen Root now on Neil Cavuto.

627 quiet man  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:03:05pm

re: #621 taxfreekiller

Then we can stone the rest!!

628 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:03:21pm

re: #613 quiet man

Barry has certainly had his share of anti white and anti US earfulls I would say

Didn't answer my question, do you think that Barry is a racist (yes/no).

629 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:03:33pm

re: #601 BigPapa

Obama a racist? Crap like this just ruins the term. He is not and it's silly to call him that.

I would say he's a racialist, in that he thinks in terms of race, in the same way that Gates, Jackson, Sharpton, and Wright do, and like many on the left do. I think it's obvious he falls short of Sharpton/Wright/Jackson in extremism on the subject. Millions of Americans could be called racialists, but they are not racists. I don't agree with the philosophy or the constructs but sinister or evil they are not like true racists.

Beck is a fool.

Racialist and Racist is the same thing. Don't kid yourself.

630 DanTheAmericanMan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:04:16pm

Well, I don't know all the facts in this situation. I've enjoyed Glenn's words on some occasions. Basically, the President acted stupidly in showing his prejudice against white policemen, and his assumptions about the behavior he believes they must always exhibit. Does that make our elected President a racist ? Hmmm ! If only there were an NAAWP for us to look to to determine if "proven prejudice" was equal to "racism" in this case...

I guess it not all black and white...

631 quiet man  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:04:23pm

re: #628 Walter L. Newton
I don;'t know exactly what he is...except he sure isn't the man he pretended to be before the election

632 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:04:23pm

re: #593 buzzsawmonkey

The "money quotes" from Wright's speeches are merely the tip of the iceberg, and dovetail with his cozying up to hatemonger Louis Farrakhan, his publication of Hamas writings in his church newsletter, the racist principles of his church which hurriedly disappeared from the church's website once the spotlight turned on him, etc. Wright's ideology is all of a piece, and your attempt to--pardon the expression--whitewash him is disgusting.

The Klan has lasted longer than Jeremiah Wright, and has an ugly record indeed. That it has a higher body count than anything which can be traced back directly to the Rev. Wright, however, in no way exculpates Wright or makes his own bigoted utterances any less bigoted.

For one thing, just as the pervasiveness of Klan ideology in the early-to-mid 20th century contributed to, and justified, casual violence against blacks among those that adhered to it, there is no reason to assume that the Reverend Wright's anti-white ideology did not, and does not, contribute to justifying casual violence by blacks against whites in present-day Chicago.

Wright is all the more unjustified in promulgating this ideology in that he is doing so long after the Civil Rights movement, and the federal actions against organizations like the Klan, have removed the legal and extra-legal barriers against the advancement of those to whom he preaches--yet he is still filling them with anger and hatred against an oppression which now exists only in their own minds, and which he is perpetuating.

This is what our President chose to use as his stepping-stone to advancement.

Isn't that church's position against "middle class" also anti-white?

633 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:04:28pm

re: #476 jcm

It's time we pay doctors for quality, not quantity


Who is going to determine what constitutes a "good outcome?"
Wouldn't someone have to review patient records to make that determination?
What would happen to privacy?
What about doctors who specialize in high risk specialities, where a "good outcome" is rare?
Can we expect the NEA to get on board with the "good outcome" pay scheme?

Obamacare will bring huge new bureaucracies of AFSCME members, doing things like looking at medical records ("HIPAA? What HIPAA?"). It'll be a nightmare.

634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:04:31pm

re: #619 unrealizedviewpoint

Bitter dingers...

635 blueherron  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:04:32pm

re: #476 jcm

It's time we pay doctors for quality, not quantity


Who is going to determine what constitutes a "good outcome?"
Wouldn't someone have to review patient records to make that determination?
What would happen to privacy?
What about doctors who specialize in high risk specialities, where a "good outcome" is rare?
Can we expect the NEA to get on board with the "good outcome" pay scheme?

Health Care companies now use NCQA guidelines in their reimbursement of physicians. The non-profit NCQA determines what constitutes a "good outcome." Each specialty has different requirements in terms of outcomes...ie, oncologists don't have the same outcomes as pediatricians. But Healthcare companies use NCQA audit results if they're good, in marketing. Or, if a doctor gets a low ranking from NCQA, they will drop them from their provider list.
HIPPA, a government agency, regulates Insurers, physicans and hospitals in terms of privacy of medical records.
It's not the physicians but the insurance companies, United HealthCare, Blue Cross, etc, that have the most to lose with a public choice.

636 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:04:43pm

re: #577 drcordell

I'd generally agree with that statement. But I still reject any parallel between a church with a pastor who gave a few questionable sermons over the course of 20 years with a militant white supremacist group.

Have you ever heard James Cone speak? It says something about Jeremiah Wright that he is an adherent and admirer of Cone. The problem isn't "a few questionable sermons"; it is an ideology far out-of-step with mainstream Christianity, and it is ugly.

637 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:05:06pm

re: #610 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"a few questionable sermons over the course of 20 years" ?

You are either ignorant, or a blatant calculating liar.

Would you like me to spell that?
L I A R

/GAZE ... FOAD asshole

You attended Trinity Church and heard all of his sermons? Of course not. You've heard the quote "God-damn America" and you've heard the quote "9/11 is America's chickens coming home to roost." You have no idea what is in the man's sermons other than what has been highlighted by the national media.

I'm not saying the guy isn't an asshole. And I'm not saying I agree with any of the bullshit he was spewing. But you're acting like he was a goddamn Klansman or something. Hell, I've heard just as much offensive shit listening to Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh over the course of a week. And they're practically the leaders of an entire political party in this country. So before you call me a LIAR why don't you back some of your bullshit up with some factual assertions. Asshole.

638 Buster  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:05:09pm

re: #338 vxbush

I understand; so many places say "manufactured in a plant where nuts are processed" just to avoid liability.

I have a gluten intolerance. Checked for celiac and allergy, and have neither. But feel 100% better off the wheat.

My sister-in-law is celiac, so wheat and any other grains containing gluten are out. This restriction includes beer and other malt beverages. There seems to be a debate though on distilled spirits, some say no, others say that the product is so far removed from the original grain as to not be a problem. Do you have an opinion?

639 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:05:21pm

re: #628 Walter L. Newton

Didn't answer my question, do you think that Barry is a racist (yes/no).

I suspect if Charles polled us it would come in 70/20 saying he is not, with 10 for Paul.

640 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:05:25pm

re: #627 quiet man

Then we can stone the rest!!

641 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:05:26pm

re: #627 quiet man

Then we can stone the rest!!

everybody must get stoned

642 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:05:28pm

re: #629 Thanos

Racialist and Racist is the same thing. Don't kid yourself.

I'm not kidding myself at all. What do you suggest we call it then? It's not so simple as 'both sides of the same coin' or 'better worse.'

643 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:05:34pm

re: #624 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

RE-SUCK.

SUCK 2.0

644 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:06:12pm

re: #621 taxfreekiller

Which reinforces my point that we are all, to some extent, "racist". It is something inherent in the human condition and why it is such a raw nerve.

645 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:06:16pm

re: #641 albusteve

everybody must get stoned

Too slow, Joe! ha ha

646 quiet man  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:06:22pm

re: #641 albusteve
We can stone them when their driving in their car

647 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:06:22pm

re: #587 SixDegrees

OT - Hey! Let's let the government run our health care!

EPA switches mileage figures midstream, "Cash for Clunkers" deals go sour.

Not only did they bugger with the mileage of the trade-ins they've buggered the mileage on the new cars.

One I was looking at had, on the window sticker, an EPA combined mileage of 21mpg. On the web site? 19mpg.

I wonder why they would be different...

Oh. Cuz the government is Just F***ed Up.

648 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:06:26pm

re: #590 Sharmuta

I agree, mostly.

The sticking place, though, is that half the time, I can't tell if someone's being malicious. My beginning assumption is that people are innocent. Then...it gets tricky.

649 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:06:28pm

There are indeed certain highbrow racists trying to mainstream racism by rebranding it as "racialism" Pat Buchanan and Taki Theocrapulous come to mind. David Duke calls himself a racialist.

Racialist==Racist.

650 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:06:51pm

re: #645 Desert Dog

Too slow, Joe! ha ha

Dog breath

651 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:06:58pm

re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bitter dingers...

Sounds like a Hostess snack food. "Have some Bitter Dingers with your coffee!"

652 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:07:01pm

re: #638 Buster

My sister-in-law is celiac, so wheat and any other grains containing gluten are out. This restriction includes beer and other malt beverages. There seems to be a debate though on distilled spirits, some say no, others say that the product is so far removed from the original grain as to not be a problem. Do you have an opinion?

As I don't drink, the answer is no, I have no opinion. There is a similar question regarding the ability to eat oats; some say it can be done, others say no.

653 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:07:18pm

re: #626 Charles

Wow. Libertarian wacko Wayne Allen Root now on Neil Cavuto.

Is Cavuto doing his quizzical "I don't believe I just heard that!" head cock, yet?

654 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:07:29pm

re: #605 reine.de.tout

Actually, many of the "great value" brand items are very good.
But the brand name "great value" has no more of the "yum" factor than "Hydrox".

Yeah, you just have to try them and see which you like. The GV garlic toast is very good, but some of the canned goods are not so great.

655 quiet man  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:07:59pm

re: #651 calcajun
A bitter dinger sounds like an old hot dog in a twinkie

656 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:08:17pm

re: #612 drcordell

Central America? No. Black Liberation Theology began as a pushback of black pastors against the assertions that Christianity is a "white man's religion" after Malcom X began attacking it as such.

Black Liberation Theology is Liberation Theology with a new racial twist.


The Real Agenda of Black Liberation Theology

The Marxist Roots of Black Liberation Theology

Rev. James H. Cone

Catholics for Marx (Liberation Theology)

657 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:08:27pm

re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bitter dingers...

I've never seen an "avspatti" comment. What could she be bitter about?

658 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:08:41pm

re: #651 calcajun

Sounds like a Hostess snack food. "Have some Bitter Dingers with your coffee!"

From "Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy...

659 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:08:43pm

re: #654 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, you just have to try them and see which you like. The GV garlic toast is very good, but some of the canned goods are not so great.

We don't get GV chili beans because they are way, WAY too salty.

660 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:08:53pm

OT, but a biggie:

Transparent aluminium is 'new state of matter'

Also here due to server overload at original site.

Oxford scientists have created a transparent form of aluminium by bombarding the metal with the world’s most powerful soft X-ray laser. 'Transparent aluminium' previously only existed in science fiction, featuring in the movie Star Trek IV, but the real material is an exotic new state of matter with implications for planetary science and nuclear fusion.

Is it any wonder that "Science Fiction Overtaken by Events" is a major article in the Encyclopedia of Science Fiction?

661 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:08:57pm

re: #657 unrealizedviewpoint

Obviously, you.

662 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:09:04pm

re: #612 drcordell

You are mistaken if you think that's all what Black Liberation Theology is about:

Black Liberation Theology

This theology maintains that African Americans must be liberated from multiple forms of bondage — social, political, economic and religious. This formulation views Christian theology as a theology of liberation -- "a rational study of the being of God in the world in light of the existential situation of an oppressed community, relating the forces of liberation to the essence of the gospel, which is Jesus Christ," writes James Hal Cone. Black consciousness and the black experience of oppression orient black liberation theology -- i.e., one of victimization from oppression. This liberation involves empowerment and seeks the right of self-definition, self-affirmation and self-determination.

Trinity United Church of Christ, Chicago is the church most frequently cited by press accounts, and by Cone as the best example of a church formally founded on the vision of Black liberation of theology.[1] This theology has recently become a matter of national debate as intense condemnation by the U.S. mainstream media of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the most visible exponent of the theology[2], forced Senator Barack Obama to distance himself from his former pastor[3]

Modern American origins of contemporary black liberation theology can be traced to July 31, 1966, when an ad hoc group of 51 black pastors, calling themselves the National Committee of Negro Churchmen (NCNC), bought a full page ad in the New York Times to publish their "Black Power Statement," which proposed a more aggressive approach to combating racism using the Bible for inspiration.[4]

In the minds of many African-Americans, Christianity was long associated with slavery and segregation.[5] Although Southern Baptists had condemned racism in the past, it was not until June 20, 1995 that the Southern Baptist Convention adopted a formal "Declaration of Repentance". This resolution declared that they "unwaveringly denounce racism, in all its forms, as deplorable sin" and "lament and repudiate historic acts of evil such as slavery from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest." The convention offered an apology to all African-Americans for "condoning and/or perpetuating individual and systemic racism in our lifetime" and repentance for "racism of which we have been guilty, whether consciously or unconsciously. [6][7] Christianity was long associated with racism. Therefore, there must then be a dialogue regarding the implications of racism in today's society and to what extent historical factors affect the plight of the black community. Cone argues that, "About thirty years ago it was acceptable to lynch a black man by hanging him from a tree; but today whites destroy him by crowding him into a ghetto and letting filth and despair put the final touches on death."

James Cone first addressed this theology after Malcolm X’s proclamation in the 1950s against Christianity being taught as "a white man’s religion".[8] According to Black religion expert Jonathan Walton:
"James Cone believed that the New Testament revealed Jesus as one who identified with those suffering under oppression, the socially marginalized and the cultural outcasts. And since the socially constructed categories of race in America (i.e., whiteness and blackness) had come to culturally signify dominance (whiteness) and oppression (blackness), from a theological perspective, Cone argued that Jesus reveals himself as black in order to disrupt and dismantle white oppression."[9]

663 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:09:25pm

re: #637 drcordell

You attended Trinity Church and heard all of his sermons? Of course not. You've heard the quote "God-damn America" and you've heard the quote "9/11 is America's chickens coming home to roost." You have no idea what is in the man's sermons other than what has been highlighted by the national media.

I'm not saying the guy isn't an asshole. And I'm not saying I agree with any of the bullshit he was spewing. But you're acting like he was a goddamn Klansman or something. Hell, I've heard just as much offensive shit listening to Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh over the course of a week. And they're practically the leaders of an entire political party in this country. So before you call me a LIAR why don't you back some of your bullshit up with some factual assertions. Asshole.

And of course you know all of his sermons? That's clling the pot black (pun intended). Neither of you know the content of Wrights sermons on a weekly basis. So, your statement has no more foundation than pre-Boomer Marine brat.

664 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:10:03pm

re: #643 Oh no...Sand People!

SUCK 2.0

SUCK PART DEUX.

665 LSD  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:10:10pm

What do you call a person who, when meeting a stranger for the first time, immediately scrutinizes and judges the person on:

Gender
Race
Religion
Sexual Preference
Politics

666 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:10:11pm

re: #637 drcordell

You attended Trinity Church and heard all of his sermons? Of course not. You've heard the quote "God-damn America" and you've heard the quote "9/11 is America's chickens coming home to roost." You have no idea what is in the man's sermons other than what has been highlighted by the national media.

...

So before you call me a LIAR why don't you back some of your bullshit up with some factual assertions. Asshole.

Others here have, asshole.
Facts. Links.
Have you checked any of them out?
I've been doing precisely that over the course of the past year.

Liar.

667 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:10:25pm

re: #656 jcm

Black Liberation Theology is Liberation Theology with a new racial twist.

The Real Agenda of Black Liberation Theology

The Marxist Roots of Black Liberation Theology

Rev. James H. Cone

Catholics for Marx (Liberation Theology)

drcordell, please partake of this and be filled...with hate and angst against your fellow man... That's what this Cone clown has to offer and they all bought it...

668 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:10:27pm

re: #649 Thanos

Racialist==Racist.

If that is true, then what do we call people who may not think one race is superior to another yet still views some/many/all situations in terms of race, or celebrates a race?

Though it's 'racial,' calling it racist to do this changes the meaning of racism as I understand it. While I don't agree with my above definition, it's a far cry from the David Duke/Klan racism and therefore should have it's own term.

669 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:10:33pm
670 badger1970  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:10:36pm

re: #598 quiet man

Can you compare this to a SAT problem, IF a=b and b=c then a=c? This is guilt by association. Whether bo is a racist as Wright or as pure as the driven snow can only be determined by his (lack of) actions and words. Being the consummate politician, bo is as racist as he has to be. He's no more than another politician with a lack of moral compass.

671 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:10:41pm

re: #664 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

SUCK PART DEUX.

Beta version?

672 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:10:44pm

re: #644 calcajun

Which reinforces my point that we are all, to some extent, "racist". It is something inherent in the human condition and why it is such a raw nerve.

You could just as easily argue that people are more attracted to the "other' (as in "opposites attract.") I don't think there is a biological basis for preferring one's own race. It comes down to how you were raised. IMHO.

673 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:10:46pm

re: #663 Walter L. Newton

And of course you know all of his sermons? That's clling the pot black (pun intended). Neither of you know the content of Wrights sermons on a weekly basis. So, your statement has no more foundation than pre-Boomer Marine brat.

Walter, can I get you an Evian?

674 razorbacker  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:10:47pm

re: #654 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, you just have to try them and see which you like. The GV garlic toast is very good, but some of the canned goods are not so great.

You might be surprised to know how many GV brands are brand name products with the GV label attached.

For example, there are only, IIRC, three companies that make auto oil filters. There are more than three brands of auto oil filters.

675 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:11:00pm

re: #665 LSD

What do you call a person who, when meeting a stranger for the first time, immediately scrutinizes and judges the person on:

Gender
Race
Religion
Sexual Preference
Politics

A bigot.

676 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:11:25pm

re: #659 vxbush

We don't get GV chili beans because they are way, WAY too salty.

Thanks for the tip there.

677 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:11:31pm

re: #673 albusteve

Walter, can I get you an Evian?

We have enough water in Colorado right now.

678 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:11:40pm

re: #642 BigPapa

I'm not kidding myself at all. What do you suggest we call it then? It's not so simple as 'both sides of the same coin' or 'better worse.'

If you want to make distinctions I would suggest that everyone has a bias towards their tribe of choice. Sometimes tribe is based on skin color, sometimes it's based on political bias. My tribe is the individual, but I am biased towards Lizards.
The degree, persistence, and consistency of acting and speaking over a lifetime is what should determine if the degree of bias is so great that almost every single issue and question revolves on the tribe, then that it's teetered over into tribal supremacism. Pat Buchanan, easy call to make. Rev. Wright, easy call to make.
President Obama, not so easy and probably not a racist.

679 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:11:48pm

more...

On God and Jesus Christ

Cone based much of his liberationist theology on God’s deliverance of Israel from Egypt in the Book of Exodus. He compared the United States to Egypt, predicting that oppressed people will soon be led to a promised land. For Cone, the theme of Yahweh’s concern was for “the lack of social, economic, and political justice for those who are poor and unwanted in society.”[13] Cone also says that the same God is working for the oppressed blacks of the 20th century, and that “God is helping oppressed blacks and has identified with them, God Himself is spoken of as ‘black’.” [14]

Cone saw Christ from the aspect of oppression and liberation. Cone uses the Gospel of Luke to illustrate this point: “the blind receive their sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the good news preached to them.[15]” “‘In Christ,’ Cone argues, ‘God enters human affairs and takes sides with the oppressed. Their suffering becomes his; their despair, divine despair.’”[16] Cone also argues that, "We cannot solve ethical questions of the twentieth century by looking at what Jesus did in the first. Our choices are not the same as his. Being Christians does not mean following 'in his steps.'" [Black Theology and Black Power, Page 139] [3]

Cone’s view is that Jesus was black, which he felt was a very important view of black people to see. "It's very important because you've got a lot of white images of Christ. In reality, Christ was not white, not European. That's important to the psychic and to the spiritual consciousness of black people who live in a ghetto and in a white society in which their lord and savior looks just like people who victimize them. God is whatever color God needs to be in order to let people know they're not nobodies, they're somebodies." [17]

680 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:11:54pm

re: #648 Dianna

I agree, mostly.

The sticking place, though, is that half the time, I can't tell if someone's being malicious. My beginning assumption is that people are innocent. Then...it gets tricky.

As EmmieG said- it can be hard to tell. We can't look inside someone and know their hearts. And those who are malicious are quite good at concealing it if that's what they want to do. In a twisted logic sort of way, I can almost respect an open bigot more than a closeted one. Both types make me sick, but if that's what someone thinks about people, then they should have the balls to be what they are.

681 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:12:06pm

re: #668 BigPapa

If that is true, then what do we call people who may not think one race is superior to another yet still views some/many/all situations in terms of race, or celebrates a race?

Politically Correct?

682 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:12:50pm

How to Serve Lizards: It's a cookbook!
Man wants iguana on Florida menus


The author of a new cookbook says residents of Florida should begin eating iguanas to avoid a possible population explosion of the animals.

The St. Petersburg (Fla.) Times reported Friday that with several reptile species breeding in the wild throughout Florida, cookbook author George Cera wants iguanas on Florida residents' plates rather than loose in the wild.

"Listen,'' the author of "The Iguana Cookbook: Save Florida… Eat an Iguana" said. "In Central America, in South America, in Mexico, iguanas are considered a delicacy. We ought to be eating them.''

683 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:13:19pm

Ah,Fuckitall. Give me my gov't chit. I ain't gonna live foreva.
nownownow.

684 outsidephilly  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:13:38pm

re: #641 albusteve

everybody must get stoned


...they'll stone you when you're there all alone

685 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:13:57pm

re: #664 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

SUCK PART DEUX.

Suck 2: Electric Boogaloo

686 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:13:57pm

re: #612 drcordell

Central America? No. Black Liberation Theology began as a pushback of black pastors against the assertions that Christianity is a "white man's religion" after Malcom X began attacking it as such.

Oh, my.

687 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:14:21pm

re: #682 Killgore Trout

iguana throw up after seeing that!

688 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:14:38pm

re: #682 Killgore Trout

How to Serve Lizards: It's a cookbook!
Man wants iguana on Florida menus

blow torch the tenderloin for eight seconds...

just kidding

689 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:15:28pm

re: #687 pre-Boomer Marine brat

iguana throw up after seeing that!

If you really need to, try and make sure you get to the komodo first and don't spew on your monitor.

690 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:15:34pm

re: #647 Van Helsing

Not only did they bugger with the mileage of the trade-ins they've buggered the mileage on the new cars.

One I was looking at had, on the window sticker, an EPA combined mileage of 21mpg. On the web site? 19mpg.

I wonder why they would be different...

Oh. Cuz the government is Just F***ed Up.

What's really effing awful is that several potential buyers cut deals based on the upcoming check, got their information from the EPA website and signed the deal - only to find out that the figures had changed since they looked at them, and the checks wouldn't be cut because they didn't qualify on the newly-published mileage ratings.

The right thing to do - and what would have been forced on any private company making a similar offer and mistake - would be to honor the original mileages, PLUS any newly-qualifying cars that met the new figures. But, no - fuck the consumers, we're the EPA and we can do whatever we want, including changing the rules in midstream.

How stimulating.

691 neocon hippie  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:15:39pm

Racism: Belief that one's own race is superior to others and/or hatred of other people solely based on their race.

Racialism: Viewing society/history/other people predominantly through the prism of race.

Of course, nothing prevents true racists from seeking cover under the term "racialism."

692 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:16:01pm

re: #678 Thanos

Pat Buchanan, easy call to make. Rev. Wright, easy call to make.
President Obama, not so easy and probably not a racist.

Well, it's an easy call to make if there's a distinction. I think Obama thinks in terms of race similar to, but to a lesser degree, Gates, but not like Buch/Wright or worse Duke.

But I would never want to use the same term to describe Obama and Duke. It makes benign what Duke really is and overemphasizes what Obama believes.

I cannot bring myself to call Obama racist, that is the result. If Duke and Buch have hijacked the 'racialist' term then buggar, we can pick something else.

693 Buck  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:16:04pm

re: #682 Killgore Trout

How to Serve Lizards: It's a cookbook!
Man wants iguana on Florida menus

Tastes like Chicken.

Oily, hard chicken.

694 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:16:06pm

re: #687 pre-Boomer Marine brat

iguana throw up after seeing that!

Tastes like chicken!

695 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:16:17pm

Glen Beck = Kanye West

696 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:16:19pm

Stylistic differences in the Black religious community

Because of the differences in thought between the black and white community, most black religious leaders attempt to make their services more accessible to other African-Americans, who must identify with the faith in order to accept it. Another notable difference is Cone's suggestion as to what must occur if there is not reconcilition among the white community. He states, "Whether the American system is beyond redemption we will have to wait and see. But we can be certain that black patience has run out, and unless white America responds positively to the theory and activity of Black Power, then a bloody, protracted civil war is inevitable." [Black Theology and Black Power, Page 143] [10]

Criticisms

Theology scholar Dr. Robert A. Morley takes a dim view of black theology. Morley's paper "The Goals Of Black Liberal Theology" is one widely quoted paper citing specific criticisms. He states that black theology turns religion into sociology, and Jesus into a black Marxist rebel. His view is that it makes statements against whites and Asians, promotes a poor self-image among blacks, and describes the black man as a helpless victim of forces and people beyond his control. He believes black theology calls for political liberation instead of spiritual salvation. According to political and religious writer Marie Jon, Morley believes it is not Bible-based, Christ-honoring theology.[18]

Anthony Bradley of the Christian Post interprets that the language of "economic parity" and references to "mal-distribution" as nothing more than channeling the views of Karl Marx. He believes James Cone and Cornel West have worked to incorporate Marxist thought into the black church, forming an ethical framework predicated on a system of oppressor class versus a victim much like Marxism.[19]

Stanley Kurtz of the National Review claims that "A scarcely concealed, Marxist-inspired indictment of American capitalism pervades contemporary 'black-liberation theology'...The black intellectual's goal, says Cone, is to "aid in the destruction of America as he knows it." According to him such destruction requires both black anger and white guilt. He claimed the black-power theologian's goal is to tell the story of American oppression so powerfully and precisely that white men will "tremble, curse, and go mad, because they will be drenched with the filth of their evil."

BLT is racially oriented Marxism.

697 Buster  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:16:35pm

re: #652 vxbush

My sister-in-law is pro-oat, she eats oats without issues.

698 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:16:40pm

re: #686 Dianna

Oh, my.

And remember that DrC's most fundamental meme is that GWBush destroyed the GOP.

/IIRC, "destroyed" is DrC's word for it.

699 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:16:53pm

re: #693 Buck

2 seconds! ;-)

700 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:16:54pm

So the word you are looking for is "bias" -- as humans some bias some of the times is impossible to escape, and few of us examine our biases enough.
Good blogs for examining bias of all sorts:


Less Wrong

Overcoming Bias

701 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:17:04pm

re: #682 Killgore Trout

How to Serve Lizards: It's a cookbook!
Man wants iguana on Florida menus


Is this where banned lizards end up?

702 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:17:18pm

I would eat an iguana...actually sounds pretty good...more so than squid or snails, which make me want to hurl at the thought

703 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:17:27pm

re: #689 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If you really need to, try and make sure you get to the komodo first and don't spew on your monitor.

GAAK
I can't move that fast -- my tail's dragon.

704 Buck  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:17:33pm

Government spending $450,000 per stimulus job.

How do I get me one of those?

705 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:17:41pm

re: #690 SixDegrees

How stimulating.

I generally feel stimulated when I'm being f***ed.

706 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:17:42pm

re: #674 razorbacker

You might be surprised to know how many GV brands are brand name products with the GV label attached.

For example, there are only, IIRC, three companies that make auto oil filters. There are more than three brands of auto oil filters.

Their oil filters (Tech 2000?) do have a good rep. I believe they're made by Purolator (read that on an automotive forum somewhere. Me, I use Motorcraft, because they have a good reputation, and they make one (FL-400S) that fits my minivan (Toyota), but with a longer can (more capacity than the stock Toyota filter), and has a silicone anti-drainback valve. I believe the Motorcraft filters are made by Purolator as well.

707 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:17:45pm

re: #682 Killgore Trout

Tried to do the same in Louisiana with nutrias.

708 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:17:45pm

I don't think Barack Obama joined Trinity United Church because of Black Liberation Theology. I think he joined for political purposes, and it obviously worked for him.

709 badger1970  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:17:51pm

re: #701 Desert Dog

Was that a Mr. Yuck sign above?

710 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:17:55pm

re: #697 Buster

My sister-in-law is pro-oat, she eats oats without issues.

And I generally cannot eat oats.

711 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:17:58pm

re: #702 albusteve

I would eat an iguana...actually sounds pretty good...more so than squid or snails, which make me want to hurl at the thought

I'm picky. It has to moo, cluck, or oink for me to eat it. (Well, before it is killed, preferably where I can't see it.)

712 acwgusa  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:18:03pm

re: #633 Ward Cleaver

Obamacare will bring huge new bureaucracies of AFSCME members, doing things like looking at medical records ("HIPAA? What HIPAA?"). It'll be a nightmare.

HIPAA is a fearsome stick, believe me. My office has had Federal HHS pull up un-announced (of course) and just rip our security apart. It is a pucker moment, for damn sure.

713 Abu Boo Boo  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:18:13pm

President Obama has announced he plans to fill the White House with art by women and minorities.

But it's not because he's a racist. It's just that women and minorities are more expressive than uptight white men.

714 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:18:17pm

re: #625 Walter L. Newton

I don't think he/she is trying not to answer you. I think he/she is trying to explain something that's gotten awfully tangled.

715 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:18:33pm

re: #695 Sharmuta

Glen Beck = Kanye West

Kanye West makes better music and clothes.

716 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:18:37pm

re: #702 albusteve

I would eat an iguana...actually sounds pretty good...more so than squid or snails, which make me want to hurl at the thought

I've had the last two many times...they are ok. Never had lizard. Snake? yes. Frogs? yes. I bet it tastes like dark meat chicken.

717 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:18:47pm

re: #701 Desert Dog

Is this where banned lizards end up?

is that Wrath toward the bottom?

718 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:18:52pm

re: #525 drcordell

We don't know why Obama chose the church. Unless you can somehow read his mind.

What we do know is that he stayed in the racists church for twenty years. He was married there -- by Wright. His daughters were baptized there.

Black Liberation Theology believes in the superiority of the Black race. It is racists, pure and simple.

James Cone, considered by many the father of Black Liberation Theology, writes:

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

And who is the "white enemy"?

You. The white enemy is the white middle class.

Don't think Wright is totally in step with Cone? He asks Hannity if he has ever read a Cone book four times in this one interview.

719 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:18:54pm

re: #698 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And remember that DrC's most fundamental meme is that GWBush destroyed the GOP.

/IIRC, "destroyed" is DrC's word for it.

I blame the congressional Republicans who spent, and spent, and spent.

720 Buck  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:19:00pm

re: #699 jcm

2 seconds! ;-)

the difference between first and second.

721 Buster  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:19:06pm

re: #682 Killgore Trout

How to Serve Lizards: It's a cookbook!
Man wants iguana on Florida menus

That reminds me of an old Twilight Zone episode..."To serve man"

It's a cookbook!

722 avspatti  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:19:20pm

re: #536 Honorary Yooper

PC demands that we stop even making fun of the bigots and racists in a Blazing Saddles fashion lest we make an insult by mistake. Bigotry is simply making the insult to insult and injure while feeling no remorse for what has been done. PC is what brought us all the Hyphenated-American names for people who should just simply be Americans.

BTW, can they put you in jail if you answer the census ethnicity question by marking yourself as American? I hope not as that is just what I plan to do.

723 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:19:22pm

re: #663 Walter L. Newton

And of course you know all of his sermons? That's clling the pot black (pun intended). Neither of you know the content of Wrights sermons on a weekly basis. So, your statement has no more foundation than pre-Boomer Marine brat.

I have a reasonable expectation that over the course of a two-year presidential primary and subsequent election, every single Wright sermon was pored over with a fine-toothed comb by oppo-researchers. And the best quotes they found were "god damn America" and the "9/11 chickens." If there were hours upon hours of blatantly offensive and outright racist material you can bet your sweet ass Clinton or McCain would have been all over it.

Again, not saying that Wright isn't a bigoted asshat. But it's pretty clear that every single one of his sermons are being tarred with the brush of the most offensive things he said over the course of a 20 year career. I consider myself educated and tolerant, but I've definitely said some shit that I wouldn't appreciate being chosen as singular examples of my character. Describing every one of his sermons over the course of 20 years as being filled with "kill whitey" and "god damn America" is simply a false assertion. Not denying he didn't say those things, but they also shouldn't be used to characterize every single sermon he made. Unless there is evidence to the contrary. Which marine brat certainly doesn't have.

724 koedo  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:19:29pm

Charles,

I don't know why, but Beck isn't the only right wing pundit who's getting more comfortable with his inner racist.

Yesterday, I heard Rush Limbaugh say, in the middle of a rant about proposed warning stickers on hot dogs, that next they'd want to ban Oreo cookies -- but they'd have to wait until Obama left office.

Charles, I think what's new is that they're actually saying things like this now. In the past, it was sure suicide to even mention such things. Either way, the right wing guys have a long was to go before they catch up with the left wings guys as fare as racist comments go.

725 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:20:01pm

re: #682 Killgore Trout

But people keep iguanas as pets!

726 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:20:08pm

re: #705 Van Helsing

I generally feel stimulated when I'm being f***ed.

Why didn't the government just buy us all whores? It would have been a lot cheaper, and just as stimulating.

727 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:20:21pm

re: #716 Desert Dog

I've had the last two many times...they are ok. Never had lizard. Snake? yes. Frogs? yes. I bet it tastes like dark meat chicken.

exactly my thoughts...I'll bet the drumsticks are very similar...I've eaten BBQ rattler and it was delicious

728 Buck  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:20:24pm

re: #695 Sharmuta

Glen Beck = Kanye West

Ya, sort of... and West took a lot of flack for what he said.

729 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:21:14pm

For the record I"m with Dr. Cordell on this one. Obama joined the church opportunistically, and there's a yawning gulf of difference between the KKK and Trinity. This is based on empirical fact. If you can show me an article where Trinity goers lynched someone over their race, you might change my mind.

730 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:21:36pm

re: #712 acwgusa

HIPAA is a fearsome stick, believe me. My office has had Federal HHS pull up un-announced (of course) and just rip our security apart. It is a pucker moment, for damn sure.

That's all Mrs. Desert Dog does all day at her job. She is in charge of making sure the HIPAA standards are being observed. She comes home stressed out some days.

731 badger1970  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:21:36pm

re: #725 Dianna

Please don't mention pets as edible.

732 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:21:47pm

re: #587 SixDegrees

OT - Hey! Let's let the government run our health care!

EPA switches mileage figures midstream, "Cash for Clunkers" deals go sour.

Three Clunker Monty.

733 razorbacker  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:22:19pm

re: #706 Ward Cleaver

Could be. I just spent an few moments looking for a replacement oil filter for my TroyBilt mower, which uses a Briggs & Stratton engine.

B&S oil filters cost $15. The Wix counterpart costs around $5. The Fram counterpart is around $5, also. The Wix and B&S seem to be identical, except for the color (how racist, I know).

Why pay more?

734 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:22:20pm

re: #708 Charles

I don't think Barack Obama joined Trinity United Church because of Black Liberation Theology. I think he joined for political purposes, and it obviously worked for him.

IMHO, you are fundamentally right.
He's nothing if not an opportunist. (did I say that right? I need coffee)
I also hope the repetition of content didn't sink in.

735 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:22:20pm

re: #708 Charles

I don't think Barack Obama joined Trinity United Church because of Black Liberation Theology. I think he joined for political purposes, and it obviously worked for him.

Correct. It served a purpose at the time (connecting with the local political movers and shakers) and he distanced himself from it when it no longer served his purpose (going national)

736 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:22:23pm

re: #708 Charles

I don't think Barack Obama joined Trinity United Church because of Black Liberation Theology. I think he joined for political purposes, and it obviously worked for him.

True, I said he felt comfortable there. Not that it was his prime reason for joining.
He must have felt comfortable with the teachings, he was married there, he children were baptized there, he named a book for a Wright sermon, he spent 20 years there.

For Obama it was a 2fer, he got his "in" with the Chicago Black community, with the approval of Rev. Wright, and he found ideological and spiritual home.

737 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:23:19pm

re: #715 BigPapa

Kanye West makes better music and clothes.

I don't think he can carry the lederhosen look, though.

738 koedo  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:23:39pm

Thanos,

I think the point was that abject hate in thought is abject hate. Of course, Trinity Church has not lynched anyone (as far as I know). I think you got too literal o that one.

Of course, I could be wrong.

739 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:23:39pm

re: #719 Dianna

I blame the congressional Republicans who spent, and spent, and spent.

Prescisely!

740 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:23:47pm

re: #718 HelloDare

We don't know why Obama chose the church. Unless you can somehow read his mind.

He chose his church out of political expediency. All of the evidence logically leads to this conclusion. Including the fact that Obama only begrudgingly chose a church in Washington D.C. He knows that in politics religion is simply a charade for the voters.

And as far as that Sean Hannity clip, you couldn't pay me to watch it. Sean Hannity has the intellectual capacity of a 10th grader. I'd rather be punched in the face than submit myself to a single one of his bleatings.

741 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:24:04pm

From The Audacity of Rhetoric by Thomas Sowell March 26, 2008:

There was a time when the Ku Klux Klan's words had a resonance among whites, not only in the South but in other states. Some people joined the KKK in order to advance their political careers. Did that make it OK? Is it all just a matter of whose ox is gored? While many whites may be annoyed by Jeremiah Wright's words, a year from now most of them will probably have forgotten about him. But many blacks who absorb his toxic message can still be paying for it, big-time, for decades to come. Why should young blacks be expected to work to meet educational standards, or even behavioral standards, if they believe the message that all their problems are caused by whites, that the deck is stacked against them? That is ultimately a message of hopelessness, however much audacity it may have.

742 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:24:39pm

re: #726 SixDegrees

Why didn't the government just buy us all whores? It would have been a lot cheaper, and just as stimulating.

Yes, but there is a cure for VD. We're stuck with this curse for years to come.

743 nikis-knight  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:25:50pm

re: #480 drcordell

I was raised Catholic for 20 years and it hasn't stopped me from having pre-marital sex, condoning abortion and supporting the equal rights of gays. It doesn't mean I wasn't paying attention during mass for 20 years, it means I recognize bullshit when I hear it. I don't see why Obama couldn't have done the same thing. I understand that he is deservedly catching flak for having attended Wright's church for so long, but I don't think anyone here would like having every word their pastor spoke attributed directly to them.


Heh, I should be so lucky.

744 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:25:53pm

re: #723 drcordell

Which marine brat certainly doesn't have.

heh

Have you been reading all the material others have been giving you today?

745 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:26:50pm

re: #734 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I see how it works. If I say something you call me an asshole troll. But if Charles makes the same point you agree, IYHO of course.

746 koedo  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:26:52pm

For a country that was scolded as being 'a bunch of cowards' by Eric Holder for not talking about race, we sure talk about race a lot.

747 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:26:57pm

re: #717 albusteve

Please, don't. It always makes me cry to read these sniping remarks.

748 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:26:59pm

re: #740 drcordell

He chose his church out of political expediency. All of the evidence logically leads to this conclusion. Including the fact that Obama only begrudgingly chose a church in Washington D.C. He knows that in politics religion is simply a charade for the voters.

And as far as that Sean Hannity clip, you couldn't pay me to watch it. Sean Hannity has the intellectual capacity of a 10th grader. I'd rather be punched in the face than submit myself to a single one of his bleatings.

That's all fine and good for Obama himself. What about his impressionable young daughters? Why does no one want to examine that question?

749 shortshrift  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:27:00pm

re: #625 Walter L. Newton

Three posts from you, trying NOT to answer my simple question. Maybe I will put it in a more step by step process.

1) "Oreo" is a slam when used by blacks in regards to another black (yes/no)
2) If "Yes" than any white using it about a black is insulting that black person (yes/no)

Simply answer those two questions for me, yes or no.

1) It depends on both the insulter and the insultee.
2) Yes, if Noam Chomsky to Professor Gates.

Please do not be annoyed by my not obeying the yes/ no rubric. I am not trying in any way to suggest that white racism does not exist. And I can certainly understand insults. It is putting racism and insults together that interests me. A white person calling a black person an oreo may wish to be insulting racially (see my last post), but if I were the black person, I would tell him he was a cretin.

750 avspatti  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:27:47pm

re: #718 HelloDare

About Cone . . . hmmm. I thought the idea is for us to be identified with what God wants. Not the other way around.

751 Steffan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:27:47pm

re: #67 Dianna

The people I've heard it from are blacks addressing blacks.

More to the point, it's blacks addressing conservative blacks. Michael Steele had Oreos thrown at him when he ran for governor of Maryland, IIRC.

752 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:27:49pm

Work calls, gotta run!

753 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:29:11pm

re: #745 drcordell

I see how it works. If I say something you call me an asshole troll. But if Charles makes the same point you agree, IYHO of course.

Apples and oranges. I was hammering you for your claiming that Wright's message from the pulpit was not laced with Black Liberation Theology. Charles was commenting upon why Obama joined the church.

Try again.

754 wahabicorridor  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:29:16pm

re: #708 Charles

I don't think Barack Obama joined Trinity United Church because of Black Liberation Theology. I think he joined for political purposes, and it obviously worked for him.

As I recall, Obama credited Writght with 'bringing him to Christianity'. I'll take the man at his word. Your view and mind are not mutually exclusive.

But hey - I'm just a 'typical white person'.

755 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:29:37pm

re: #731 badger1970

Please don't mention pets as edible.

That's what I meant!

756 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:32:25pm

re: #714 Dianna

I don't think he/she is trying not to answer you. I think he/she is trying to explain something that's gotten awfully tangled.

I know, that's why I am trying to condense it down to some simple points. It has nothing to do with how one may or my not perceive the term, or whether it bothers some and doesn't bother others. Simple fact is it is a slam when used black on black, so, can't be any better if a white uses the term.

757 koedo  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:32:39pm

re: #480 drcordell

I was raised Catholic for 20 years and it hasn't stopped me from having pre-marital sex, condoning abortion and supporting the equal rights of gays. It doesn't mean I wasn't paying attention during mass for 20 years, it means I recognize bullshit when I hear it. I don't see why Obama couldn't have done the same thing. I understand that he is deservedly catching flak for having attended Wright's church for so long, but I don't think anyone here would like having every word their pastor spoke attributed directly to them.

There's a big difference between the discussion and debate of scripture and out right racist ranting.

Btw. I take umbrage with your characterization of Catholic dogma as bullshit.

758 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:32:56pm

Work is calling even MORE loudly than before.

bbl

759 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:34:51pm

re: #757 koedo

(fyi ... IMHO, DrC has some serious issues with anger ...
... ... just sayin' ... and only a hunch)

760 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:35:11pm

now I'm gone

761 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:35:13pm
762 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:35:13pm

re: #740 drcordell

He chose his church out of political expediency. All of the evidence logically leads to this conclusion. Including the fact that Obama only begrudgingly chose a church in Washington D.C. He knows that in politics religion is simply a charade for the voters.

And as far as that Sean Hannity clip, you couldn't pay me to watch it. Sean Hannity has the intellectual capacity of a 10th grader. I'd rather be punched in the face than submit myself to a single one of his bleatings.

So it's okay to join a racists church as long as you do it for political reasons? Is that your reasoning?

I don't like Hannity either, but his supposed intellectual capacity in no way changes the words of Rev. Wright, does it?

763 theheat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:35:22pm

re: #9 Charles

Color me surprised. Not. Somewhere online more than one person has kept a running total of the thinly racist/outrageous crap to dribble out of Limbaugh's mouth over the years, and it's non too flattering. But 20 million people hang on that corpulent ***'s every word, buy his books, and think he's the shit. (Olbermann, Limbaugh - they're both offensive horse's asses.)

I don't get it. Same with Beck; a guy, that by all accounts, is a hair away from being held in a padded room, yet he yammers to millions of captive ears and eyes about everything under the sun.

People find these jackasses so intriguing they can't tear themselves away. They'll offer the morsel of sanity they hear from time to time to legitimize them, and ignore the mounting heaps of ugly and outright crazy shit.

764 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:35:25pm

re: #745 drcordell

I think it's the way your making your point that is the problem.

And you are, indeed, ignoring everything that doesn't support your point, and (forgive me) displaying what I cannot help but regard as a frightening ignorance of the intellectual pedigree of certain positions.

For the record: I do not begin to know what possessed Obama to join Trinity. I do not, particularly, care. I do dislike every little thing I've read emanating from that so-called church.

765 theheat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:37:39pm

re: #764 Dianna

I do dislike every little thing I've read emanating from that so-called church.

Amen.

766 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:37:39pm

re: #753 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Touche.

767 avspatti  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:37:40pm

re: #748 capitalist piglet

That's all fine and good for Obama himself. What about his impressionable young daughters? Why does no one want to examine that question?

Exactly! I said as much before the election. It is one thing to sit in a racist environment for years for ambition, but quite another to allow that hatred to be spewed in front of his little children is outrageous. Never would I allow my sons to be 'taught' such filth.

768 shortshrift  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:38:10pm

re: #551 haakondahl

I'm not even going to bother with argung. Just WOW! and a down-ding of "You are one messed-up dude" disagreement.

Think of me as a nut, trying to crack a sledgehammer!

769 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:39:33pm
770 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:41:01pm

re: #746 koedo

For a country that was scolded as being 'a bunch of cowards' by Eric Holder for not talking about race, we sure talk about race a lot.

Can I invite you over to "my House" for a beer and we can talk about it some more? -BHO

771 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:41:05pm

re: #748 capitalist piglet

That's all fine and good for Obama himself. What about his impressionable young daughters? Why does no one want to examine that question?

I'm sure Barack and Michelle covered their little girl's ears when Wright spoke inappropriately about the white devil. /

772 antoniojvr  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:41:08pm

What happened to Beck? He used to have some great points and ideas and now, it seems, he is just another shock jock.

773 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:41:08pm

re: #715 BigPapa

Kanye West makes better music and clothes.

Debatable, but that's comparing musical opinions. I find West's music and clothes to be mediocre at best, personally. However, I doubt he can do worse tha Glenn Beck (who has no known musical talent at all).

774 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:41:42pm

re: #756 Walter L. Newton

I know, that's why I am trying to condense it down to some simple points. It has nothing to do with how one may or my not perceive the term, or whether it bothers some and doesn't bother others. Simple fact is it is a slam when used black on black, so, can't be any better if a white uses the term.

I don't think anything about that particular insult is simple. It's an appalling thing to parse, especially since the underlying meaning is simply perverse.

Possibly because I just don't get it, any more than shortshrift does. I find it profoundly confusing and, to be blunt, perverted.

So I'm going to revert to thinking of Oreo simply as the brand name of a cookie.

775 abbyadams  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:44:07pm

I think we are far too anxious to claim that America is post-racial. I mean, based on the witch doctor picture (and other examples, the only one that springs to mind at the moment are the food stamps with stereotypical foods on them,) we are not.

I wholeheartedly agree that in many cases political correctness is taken waaayyy to far. However, a generation ago it was possible to purchase picture postcards of lynchings.

In terms of years, the "peculiar institution" of slavery seems to be so far away. In terms of generations, it is really not.

My point is that I think it's too early to try and claim that it's all good now because we have a black president.

776 koedo  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:46:30pm

Kenneth,

Domestic, I hope.

777 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:47:10pm

re: #764 Dianna

I'm not ignoring evidence that doesn't support my point, I simply don't believe it is relevant. I believe Obama attended Trinity Church out of political expediency, just as he left Trinity Church out of political expediency. That being said, ascribing the sometimes racist rhetoric that flowed out of Trinity Church to Obama himself is ludicrous. Sitting in a pew and listening to someone speak does not mean that you agree with what they are saying.

Posting pages and pages of information about black liberation theology doesn't mean that Obama believes any of it. Forging that link between what is said at a sermon and what Obama himself believes takes more evidence than the fact that he was a member of the church. I believe that evidence is how Obama has conducted himself thus far as an elected official and as President. And I don't see anything he has done as evidence to support the contentions that he is a racist.

For what it's worth, I agree with Obama 100% on the Gates arrest case. Even as a white male I've been harrassed and seen several friends arrested by the NYPD for the crime of not humbling themselves sufficiently before the long dick of the law. If I had to deal with some jerk-off cop hassling me for entering my own house I'd be pretty mad. Arresting someone in their own lawn for "disorderly conduct" is stupid.

778 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:47:44pm

I look so much like Glenn Beck too...re: #708 Charles

yep

779 shortshrift  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:47:48pm

re: #774 Dianna

Thank you.

780 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:48:09pm

re: #778 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FUBARRED comment. Sorry.

781 theheat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:48:12pm

re: #772 antoniojvr

I think in the old days whenever someone went off the rails past the point of no return they attributed it to "consumption". I believe it covered everything from alcoholism and drug addiction to mental illness.

782 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:49:45pm

re: #777 drcordell

I think I'm going to have to call that special pleading and leave it at that.

783 SecondComing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:49:59pm

re: #138 Dianna


I was lying on my couch feeling sorry for myself yesterday.

I feel bad every time I lick the middle out of an Oreo first.
Also when I dunk them in milk.

My inner racist coming out I suppose. :(

784 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:50:49pm

re: #777 drcordell

For what it's worth, I agree with Obama 100% on the Gates arrest case. Even as a white male I've been harrassed and seen several friends arrested by the NYPD for the crime of not humbling themselves sufficiently before the long dick of the law. If I had to deal with some jerk-off cop hassling me for entering my own house I'd be pretty mad. Arresting someone in their own lawn for "disorderly conduct" is stupid.

Those first two sentences have the opposite meaning. If you agreed with Obama, Gates got arrested because he was black. Then you say the same thing happens to you, "even as a white man." That is not 100% agreement. It is 100% disagreement.

785 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:51:26pm

re: #783 SecondComing

I feel bad every time I lick the middle out of an Oreo first.
Also when I dunk them in milk.

My inner racist coming out I suppose. :(

I haven't eaten an Oreo in years - they have a funny back-taste to me.

What that makes me, I haven't the faintest.

786 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:52:54pm

I didn't see the Gates paragraph, and now I'm sitting here trying to figure out if that was a non-sequitor, or just further special pleading.

787 SecondComing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:53:16pm

re: #771 HelloDare

I'm sure Barack and Michelle covered their little girl's ears when Wright spoke inappropriately about the white devil. /

How much you wanna bet one of them bring a white boyfriend to the white house at some point? Sharpton, Jesse's and maybe even Michelle's heads will explode.

788 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:53:46pm

re: #787 SecondComing

How much you wanna bet one of them bring a white boyfriend to the white house at some point? Sharpton, Jesse's and maybe even Michelle's heads will explode.

I think that's none of our business.

789 Cygnus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:56:30pm

re: #110 buzzsawmonkey

It still sounds like the World's Best Piece of Product Placement.

It was Product Placement Ahead Of It's Time - Oh-Wii-Oh!

790 koedo  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:56:47pm

abbeyadams
I think we are far too anxious to claim that America is post-racial. I mean, based on the witch doctor picture (and other examples, the only one that springs to mind at the moment are the food stamps with stereotypical foods on them,) we are not.

I wholeheartedly agree that in many cases political correctness is taken waaayyy to far. However, a generation ago it was possible to purchase picture postcards of lynchings.

In terms of years, the "peculiar institution" of slavery seems to be so far away. In terms of generations, it is really not.

My point is that I think it's too early to try and claim that it's all good now because we have a black president.

---

Abbeyadams,

Although I tend to agree with you, I have comment with your post. It's not just you but in general, people have this tendency that because a single incident took place, (lets say the witch doctor picture) it describes the whole nation or large segments of it. In fact, that was the work of one idiot who sent it out to others who may be idiots or may not be. The point is, we shouldn't draw broad based conclusions on singular incidents. We have come a long, long way in my life time.

791 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:56:52pm

re: #761 buzzsawmonkey

There is no difference in ideology--only in physical manifestation.

Having grown up in Chicago, I can tell you that it is a vocally, brutally, racially polarized city. There are incidents in that city's history, such as the 1919 race riot, where the violence was white against black. There are incidents such as the 1968 race riots following King's murder, where the violence was black on black. There are also, in modern times, incidents of black on black, and black on white, violence every day--as well as incidents of white on black violence.

The justification of black on white violence is part of the ideology of the Black Muslims, who are centered in Chicago. This justification was adopted, in a melange of Black Muslim and Marxist ideology, by the Black Panthers, who used to be quite strong in Chicago--and one of whose former leaders is now a political figure there. It was also adopted by the gangs which hold sway in many parts of Chicago's black community.

It is also part and parcel of the ideology of Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Can I, or anyone, point to an incident where someone has been robbed or murdered by thugs acting on Jeremiah Wright's direct order? Of course not. But I can say without any hesitation that Wright's ideology has contributed to, perpetuated, and exacerbated, the polarization between the races in Chicago--and that this ideology is a contributory factor to whatever downtroddeness the black community there experiences.

Jeremiah Wright, and his friend Louis Farrakhan, are the Klan in blackface. There is a reason that the white supremacists in the 1960s supported the Black Muslims--because they agreed with the Black Muslims' desire for separation.

I don't disagree that Chicago is one of the most racist cities in the US, the bad relatives in my family all come from there. I agree that Wright is racist, I agree that black liberation theology has some race based elements woven into it's pastiche of tribal supremacism/theology/marxism. Is it the same as the KKK? No way. Again, show me the links of Trinity members actively killing whites. I don't think you can. Racist Murder is much more than a "physical manifestation"... You know that too.

792 SecondComing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:58:10pm

re: #777 drcordell

For what it's worth, I agree with Obama 100% on the Gates arrest case. Even as a white male I've been harrassed and seen several friends arrested by the NYPD for the crime of not humbling themselves sufficiently before the long dick of the law. If I had to deal with some jerk-off cop hassling me for entering my own house I'd be pretty mad. Arresting someone in their own lawn for "disorderly conduct" is stupid.

I (a white male) have been pulled over by the cops for no reason whatsoever. I didn't make a spectacle of myself or throw a tantrum or cry racism for being detained in my own car. I just complied with the officer, showed my license and registrion then went on my merry way incident free. I still have no idea what it was about. At least they gave Gates a reason.

793 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:59:15pm

re: #784 wrenchwench

Those first two sentences have the opposite meaning. If you agreed with Obama, Gates got arrested because he was black. Then you say the same thing happens to you, "even as a white man." That is not 100% agreement. It is 100% disagreement.

Did you even read what Obama said about the Gate case? If you did there is no way you can draw that conclusion.

My understanding is, at that point, Professor Gates is already in his house. The police officer comes in. I'm sure there's some exchange of words. But my understanding is -- is that Professor Gates then shows his ID to show that this is his house, and at that point he gets arrested for disorderly conduct, charges which are later dropped.

Now, I've -- I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home.

He said that he doesn't know what role race played in the incident. And he said that the police acted stupidly because they arrested someone when there was proof they were already in their own home. How can you possibly interpret that to mean Obama said Gates was arrested because he was black.

794 DanTheAmericanMan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:00:45pm

re: #665 LSD

That would be a politician !

What do I win ?

795 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:03:25pm
796 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:03:39pm

re: #793 drcordell

Try this version:

"I think it's fair to say, No. 1, any of us would be pretty angry," Obama said. "No. 2, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home. And No. 3 – what I think we know separate and apart from this incident – is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately, and that's just a fact."
797 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:04:21pm

re: #792 SecondComing

I (a white male) have been pulled over by the cops for no reason whatsoever. I didn't make a spectacle of myself or throw a tantrum or cry racism for being detained in my own car. I just complied with the officer, showed my license and registrion then went on my merry way incident free. I still have no idea what it was about. At least they gave Gates a reason.

So the solution to unchecked police power is to not ask any questions when detained without cause? I'm not saying you should mouth off to every cop you see, but the police themselves should not be above the law. Once Gates showed that he lived in the house, the police have no reason to be there.

798 erraticsphinx  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:09:33pm

re: #797 drcordell

I agree.
When you are in your own house, and the police show up, the police need to be the ones showing YOU why they are there. Not the other way around.
If the office acted appropriately, in his opinion, why was the disorderly conduct charge dropped?

799 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:13:22pm

re: #795 buzzsawmonkey

The above paragraph shows that:

a) You believe that you, as a white male, are entitled to some sort of privilege and, if not deference, latitude in behavior. There is a name for that; you know what it is.

b) Your language indicates that you have an attitude/lip/mouth problem, which was probably responsible--at least as much as whatever behavior caused you to be noticed in the first place--for any ungentle treatment you might have received.

c) You have a notion of what "should be" which is clearly at odds with what is. That disconnect often lands people in trouble. People can be disorderly even on their own property or in their own homes; think domestic violence, or even loud music or other noise which is disrupting the neighborhood at a late hour. What is stupid is thinking that mouthing off to the police at any time--on your own property or anywhere else--is going to get you anything but grief.

Knowing your rights, and refusing allow the police to do whatever the hell they want isn't a "mouth problem," it's being an informed citizen. Demanding a police officer give you his full name and badge number isn't "disorderly conduct" it is holding the police officer to account for his actions.

Even though mouthing off to the police is stupid, it is not illegal. Doing something illegal and then mouthing off to the police is a surefire way to make sure you take a ride downtown for an infraction the officer may have let slide. But questioning the actions of a police officer who is inside your own home, against your will and getting arrested for it, sounds pretty fucking Orwellian to me. I can't believe any self-respecting Conservative would disagree.

800 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:13:53pm
801 Dad O' Blondes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:14:55pm

re: #22 charles_martel

Well, Obama was quite comfortable with Rev. Wright's frothing hatred for twenty years...

Yes, quite true.

I believe there is a growing acknowledgement among "many" Americans that "racist behavior" -- whether it be words or deeds, has been a one way street for a long time, and that it just isn't true.

White police sargents in Cambridge are not "racist" because they ask black men to produce identification papers when responding to "crime in progress" 911 emergency calls. And nearly all Americans know that's true, based on the overwhelming poll results.

.

802 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:15:31pm

re: #796 wrenchwench

Try this version:

(back in for a moment) ... DrC doesn't think that's "relevant".

/which is his rationale for ignoring it

803 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:16:40pm
804 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:16:50pm

re: #766 drcordell

Touche.

Just to let you know ... seen, noted and up-dinged.

805 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:17:29pm

bbl

806 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:23:06pm

re: #800 buzzsawmonkey

Any conscientious policeman is going to find out not only that Gates is who he says he is, and that he lives where he says he does, but that Gates is not saying whatever he's saying because, say, some home invader is holding his family hostage in the back room.

For an officer to do any less would be a dereliction--but to do so, he would have to ask questions which Gates apparently decided were intrusive. This is the disconnect between someone carefully performing his job and dealing with ugly possibilities that he must consider, but which Gates--a pampered middle-class idiot with an investment in feeling outraged--did not consider. Gates therefore responded without considering that the questions being asked were in fact for his own protection, even if seemingly intrusive, instead filtering them through his grievance-laden view of the world.

Yes, the officer was "investigating whether or not a home invader was holding his family hostage in the back room." Bwahahahahahahahaha. Because the first thing you do when the police arrive and your family has been kidnapped is being questioning why the police officer is in your house.

The cop showed up because of a 911 caller who said to the dispatcher that it very well could be someone who locked themselves out of the house. After verifying that Gates was indeed the homeowner, Gates began to mouth off to the officer. At this point he simply could have given Gates his badge number and left with no problem. Instead he refused to give his badge number, and told Gates to come outside, while being yelled at by Gates. He then arrested Gates once he stepped outside because he was "disorderly." Explain again how this was simply his police duty?

807 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:24:18pm
808 HippieforLife  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:24:53pm

Just a quick thought. Some ten years ago I was a coach for my son's soccer team. We had a diversified team. We allowed the boys to pick nicknames for themselves for their uniforms as long as they kept it clean. One of our hispanic players chose to call himself "taco". He loved it! One day he was standing on the sidelines with me and the other coach (we are both white) and said that we looked like an Oreo, just in reverse. Methinks people may be taking themselves a little too seriously. If we are seeing race in cookies with a perfectly good name, what's next?

809 Dad O' Blondes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:29:08pm

re: #798 erraticsphinx

I agree.
When you are in your own house, and the police show up, the police need to be the ones showing YOU why they are there. Not the other way around.
If the office acted appropriately, in his opinion, why was the disorderly conduct charge dropped?

Disorderly conduct charges, when that is the only infraction cited for arrest, are often "dropped" within a few days of the arrest.

.

810 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:30:07pm

re: #803 buzzsawmonkey

Again you project your views of what should be--in this case, your fantasy of a "Conservative"--onto reality.

I'm sure it will be a great comfort to you that you have acted "within your rights" next time you get a beat-down. But there are ways to assert yourself without risking a beat-down, if you understand the basics of respect. It is clear you do not, and that you will suffer until you do.

I will indeed take great comfort in the fact that I "acted within my rights" should I be beaten down by the police. Because I will make sure that officer faces the full punishment of the laws that he swore to uphold. I respect law enforcement when they enforce the law. I do not respect law enforcement when they act like they are the law. And as an informed citizen I will refuse to do anything that I am not legally required to under the law. Anyone who does otherwise is paving the way for a police state.

811 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:34:22pm

When I hear the words 'white culture', I reach for my yogurt.

812 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:35:38pm
813 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:37:00pm

re: #48 Buck

I read somewhere that Oreos were Kosher, but I have not verified it.

Oreos are kosher. They became kosher in the late nineties sometime. There was much rejoicing.

814 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:47:27pm

re: #807 UrbanRevival

Tell us what you mean by "white power"

815 SecondComing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:51:58pm

re: #797 drcordell

So the solution to unchecked police power is to not ask any questions when detained without cause? I'm not saying you should mouth off to every cop you see, but the police themselves should not be above the law. Once Gates showed that he lived in the house, the police have no reason to be there.

No. Complying with the law is a good start. Not flying off the handle is a good follow up. In my case after I showed my ID he let me leave. No reason to make a big fuss. And I think you're framing what happened in the Gates case wrong.

816 SecondComing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:54:06pm

re: #814 Thanos

Tell us what you mean by "white power"

oh no. Those two words used together hardly ever end in anything positive.

817 notutopia  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:55:16pm

Here is a classic example of Beck being an embarrassment to himself.
For honesty sakes alone, why can't he just give accurate VALIDATED examples when he's asked a direct question.
But No. He has to give us his opinion instead.
Beck, if you want to make your point and not sound and behave like a nutball, you have got to validate your statements. Especially when it's about The President of the United States.
My opinion is that without concrete examples of rascist validation, YOU are the one to come across as "rascist".

818 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:59:55pm

re: #807 UrbanRevival

[deleted]

819 notutopia  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:01:09pm

re: #807 UrbanRevival

The use of the term "White Power" is so cliche.

Your examples given of Obama's racist bias are of concern.
These are the kinds of examples I expect to hear from Beck when he's asked a direct question about white racist bias.

820 ihateronpaul  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:02:49pm

re: #20 Noam Sayin'

He's not a racist - he's a race baiter.

Go ahead, blue herron - ding it down.

Meanwhile, I only watch Fox News for the yummy news babes. Sometimes I'll even take the TV off 'mute.'

is he a race baiter for acknowledging racial tension exists? sheesh.

821 kansas  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:05:46pm

re: #820 ihateronpaul

is he a race baiter for acknowledging racial tension exists? sheesh.

No, for taking the side of a race baiter.

822 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:06:02pm

rev wright raises major questions too bad the MSM never asked them. and because of that those at the margins ask the questions instead. which causes this problem. if the media had been doing its job the zero might still have been elected but these types of questions would have already been answered.

823 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:07:34pm

and the quick response to herr gates vs no response to the iranian short shits murder.

???

824 Render  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:12:41pm

So, uh, Sgt. Crowley kept his back to Gates the entire time?

The Cambridge PD officers don't wear nametags - like every single other PD in the nation?

They do wear nametags, every single picture of uniformed officers that the Cambridge PD has online shows their officers in their street unifroms and their dress uniforms all wearing a very large nametag above their right chest pocket.

"Professor" Gates didn't need (or have the right) to demand anything from Sgt Crowley because the information he was demanding was already part of the paperwork covering the initial 911 possible break-in call. He could have politely requested a copy of that paperwork, or demanded such through his lawyer at a later date.

"Professor" Gates pulled the race card first, and then he and his professional race-baiting cronies played it over and over again for the medias benefit. They played that card all the way to the White House, because it's the only card in their deck.

The Great Big Zero should not have commented about it, at all. It's way way below his pay grade and he's got more important things that he should be commenting on. Like answering why US troops in Afghanistan aren't getting their mail.

FOCUS,
R

825 JustAHouseWife  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:20:43pm

re: #824 Render

Thank you! Amen!

826 Stuart Leviton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:24:40pm

re: #108 Charles

It's a derogatory term when used by a black person, and it's even more derogatory used by a white person.

Words have an effect. Tell a child he's stupid, and he'll eventually start believing it.

I ache when I hear young black kids call one another by the "N" word. I think they think its cute. But they do not know how doing so subtly erodes the self-concept. Soul murder: That legacy is the deeper obscenity of such words.

827 ErnieG  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:35:21pm

re: #113 Alouette

So if those Oz guards had speaking role, they would all talk like Elmer Fudd?

You got a pwoblem wid dat?

828 Yashmak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:41:16pm

re: #826 Stuart Leviton

Words have an effect. Tell a child he's stupid, and he'll eventually start believing it.

I ache when I hear young black kids call one another by the "N" word. I think they think its cute. But they do not know how doing so subtly erodes the self-concept. Soul murder: That legacy is the deeper obscenity of such words.

Absolutely. I despise the ubiquitous reference to women as 'b*tches' in rap, and thug-life culture, for the same reason.

829 Yashmak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:45:43pm

re: #799 drcordell

But questioning the actions of a police officer who is inside your own home, against your will and getting arrested for it, sounds pretty fucking Orwellian to me. I can't believe any self-respecting Conservative would disagree.

The fact that the officer was inside his home, against his will, has no relevance to this issue, as the officer had probable cause to enter. . .as he was answering a breaking and entering call.

You'd think someone with a PhD would be smart enough to understand that it's a situation where he should be grateful for the quick response of law enforcement, no one in which he should mouth off to the officer in question.

830 Plain ol' Curt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:50:37pm

re: #822 yochanan

The very fact that Zero would site in the pews of the racist Rev. Wright's church for 20 years pretty much makes Beck's case.

Good grief.

831 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:50:42pm

A thing is either wrong for everybody if it is only wrong for half of the society then you really will never have one society.

832 Dad O' Blondes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:53:33pm

re: #826 Stuart Leviton

Words have an effect. Tell a child he's stupid, and he'll eventually start believing it.

I ache when I hear young black kids call one another by the "N" word. I think they think its cute. But they do not know how doing so subtly erodes the self-concept. Soul murder: That legacy is the deeper obscenity of such words.

Up-dinged you on that one.

You are sooo right. I would delete "eventually" from your post, but the point is already made. A sharp, negative word from an admired adult will be remembered --forever.

Each and every poster here can point to an example in their own childhood for confirmation.

Build those kids up -- play hard, play fair, and most important -- always play. Get in the game, it's always yours to win.

Believe in yourself -- after all, I do.

.

833 yesandno  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:59:45pm

From Thomas Sowell:
[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

The racial-profiling issue is a great vote-getter. And if it polarizes the society, that is a price that politicians are willing to pay in order to get votes. Academics who run black-studies departments, as Prof. Henry Louis Gates does, likewise have a vested interest in racial paranoia.

For “community organizers” as well, racial resentments are a stock in trade. President Obama’s background as a community organizer has received far too little attention, though it should have been a high-alert warning that this was no post-racial figure.

What does a community organizer do? What he does not do is organize a community. What he organizes are the resentments and paranoia within a community, directing those feelings against other communities, from whom either benefits or revenge are to be gotten, using whatever rhetoric or tactics will accomplish that purpose.

To think that someone who has spent years promoting grievance and polarization was going to bring us all together as president is a triumph of wishful thinking over reality.

834 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:03:57pm

re: #826 Stuart Leviton

Words have an effect. Tell a child he's stupid, and he'll eventually start believing it.

I ache when I hear young black kids call one another by the "N" word. I think they think its cute. But they do not know how doing so subtly erodes the self-concept. Soul murder: That legacy is the deeper obscenity of such words.

I tell my students that they can't use it in my classroom. I tell them that there are two reasons. One is that no racial slurs are allowed in my class, no matter how they are used, unless they're in the book we are reading. Secondly, I tell them that Mrs. SFZ is personally offended by this particular word, and that out of courtesy to me, they will not use it.

If we have a chance, I go deeper. (My seventh graders were once witness to my full routine when a jerk kid pushed me too far and got The Speech, which contains reference to lynching, the slave trade, separate drinking fountains, Selma, Emmett Till, Rosa Parks, Dr. King, Countee Cullen, and sometimes Condoleeza Rice, if I am in a mood.)

835 horse  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:04:33pm

Ratings today, insanity tomorrow.

836 Dad O' Blondes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:12:06pm

re: #806 drcordell


The cop showed up because of a 911 caller who said to the dispatcher that it very well could be someone who locked themselves out of the house. After verifying that Gates was indeed the homeowner, Gates began to mouth off to the officer. At this point he simply could have given Gates his badge number and left with no problem. Instead he refused to give his badge number, and told Gates to come outside, while being yelled at by Gates. He then arrested Gates once he stepped outside because he was "disorderly." Explain again how this was simply his police duty?

1. Sgt Crowley, uniformed and responding alone and without backup, may not have been provided these lower level details. He was responding to an eye witness 911 emergency call. The dispatcher relays emergency and necessary info only. The witness, Ms. Whalen, who was on the scene, clearly said nothing that reversed her initial perception of a possible break in, otherwise Sgt. Crowley would have left.

2. Gates never "verified" that he lived in the residence. Gates produced a Harvard University id card -- which does not list home address.

3. Gates could never prove he was the "homeowner" -- because he wasn't and isn't. The residence in question is either leased to Gates or "provided to Gates". It is Harvard owned. As a senior and likely tenured professor, he was provided university housing, and that's why he's there. He doesn't own it. He was asked to provide confirmation of legal residence -- and he didn't.

4. Sgt. Crowley's badge number is plainly visible -- on his police department badge, which he wore during the incident, as is his name, which would be plainly visibile on a name tag worn on his department blues.

5. Moving Gates outside is a SOP -- removing agitated individuals from immediate proximities has been proven to restore communication and calm needlessly adverse circumstances.

6. Gates was arrested on the minor infraction of disorderly conduct as he continued to unjustifiably verbally berate and insult an officer of the law in the conduct of the people's business. This has been vouched for -- unquestioningly -- by fellow officers who were on the scene. These officers were white, black and hispanic.

Get your facts straight.

.

837 UrbanRevival  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:25:05pm

Thanos,
I would have been happy to explain to you what I meant, but it appears that Charles is only intrested in opinions that mirror his own. Rather than ask me what I meant by "white power," as you did, he simply deleted my post - so I won't waste my time explaining.

But I would add this to the examples I listed:
The esteemed Professor Gates recently commented during a CPAN interview that he was "horrified" to discover that he was 50% white.

And Obama calls him his friend. Birds of a feather.

838 ZardozZ  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:33:54pm

Beck needs to learn to think before he speaks. He has hurt himself and I am sure most folks here recognize. Fox executives must have cringed!! But to be honest he would have done better to point out Farakkan's remarks then to resort to personal attacks. Guilt by association with Rev. Wright and the latest remarks of Farrakan would have let most people connect the dots on their own. Glen Beck needs a strong dose of Zoloft if you ask me and learn to chill and be less of an emotional basket case.

Dumb... and dumber...

839 BOBD1950  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:34:36pm

Its taken this long for anyone to figure this out?...

THE POTUS calls out a local PD SGT. AS A RACE PROFILER...W/O ANY FACTS...AND PUTS HIMSELF IN THE SAME ROOM W/ SHARPTON-WRIGHT-JACKSON. et al...and all is ok?...no IT IS NOT.

840 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:38:30pm

re: #837 UrbanRevival

Thanos,
I would have been happy to explain to you what I meant, but it appears that Charles is only intrested in opinions that mirror his own. Rather than ask me what I meant by "white power," as you did, he simply deleted my post - so I won't waste my time explaining.

And now you won't have to waste any more time explaining your ideas about "white power" to anyone here, because you don't have an LGF account.

841 Cato  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:47:52pm

Obama is a racist because, quite simply, he sees too much of social interaction as a result of race. If you believe disparate results in hiring or achievement can be explained solely by race without looking at the underlying facts, then you are a racist in my book. It is like a Skinner box where only one element of its contents is known.

John Roberts is not a racist because he believes that, for the most part, race is irrelevant.

842 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:49:40pm

re: #820 ihateronpaul

is he a race baiter for acknowledging racial tension exists? sheesh.

No. He's a race baiter for making the Gates affair about race.

843 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:50:46pm

re: #842 Noam Sayin'

No. He's a race baiter for making the Gates affair about race.

Oh, and "typical white person." That ring a bell?

844 GGMac  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:56:42pm

re: #22 charles_martel

Well, Obama was quite comfortable with Rev. Wright's frothing hatred for twenty years...

I'm curious to know how many who think Obama is not racist have read his books...

845 drcordell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:58:59pm

re: #836 Dad O' Blondes

Gates claims he provided his driver's license to the officer, which listed the address of the house. The police report does not mention this. However, if Gates did not satisfactorily prove that the house was his residence, why did the Officer being leaving the premises? If he did not believe it was Gates' house, he would have been arrested for breaking and entering, not disorderly conduct.

It does not matter that the Officer's badge number is listed on his uniform. All police officers must provide their full name and badge number on request. This is not negotiable, it is the law.

846 Right Brain  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:13:15pm

Fox needs to sack Beck, I, and the country, have had enough.

847 Render  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:14:19pm

re: #836 Dad O' Blondes

Some minor quibbles there DO'B...

Sgt. Crowley was not alone, his partner was Officer Figueroa.

Sgt. Leon Lashley and other officers were on the scene very quickly afterward.

Cambridge PD badges don't have numbers on them (unusual, but not unheard of). However their uniformed officers of all ranks ALL wear very prominent name tags.

Your point #3 is very interesting. It goes a long way toward explaining why Gates maintains not one but at least two homes (one for his ex-wife). Additionally Professor Gates may be on the hook for unpaid back taxes to the tune of over $4000 a month over the last four or five years on the Harvard provided home.

GRILL
TIME,
R

848 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:33:27pm

Interesting example of how NOT to keep your LGF account, just above.

1) post a comment using the term "white power."

2) get pissed off when it's deleted, act like it's his right to post comments anonymously at LGF, talking about "white power," and if I delete them I'm the asshole.

849 jaunte  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:36:35pm

re: #837 UrbanRevival

Whine power is not useful for anything.

850 pingjockey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:38:08pm

re: #848 Charles

White power and anonymously...yeah that'll work. Fucking nazi assholes.
I hate nazis.

851 Dad O' Blondes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:52:02pm

I always liked cops, but then, they came to "Grandpa O 'Blondes" house on Friday night to play poker, and smoke cigars, and drink shooters, and laugh...

And to the posts above, about how "tough it is" around NYC cops:

Abou 5 years ago, one of my brothers invited the grandparents up to his place in the middle of no-where Vermont. Out to dinner they went, and as expected, "Grandpa O 'Blondes" ties one on. Upon restuarant departure, ol' Granpa gets himself and Grandma lost up in Vermont, and starts weaving around. (Yeah, I know...)

Well after a while, your friendly Vermont State Trooper catches these two weaving around in the middle of the night on a dark road in the middle of no where.

Trooper pulls them over, walks up to the window with a flashlight, and shines it in Grandpa's eyes: "License and registration, please..."

Well things checked out, as expected. Trooper walks up to the window, shines the light in Grandpa's eyes: "Sir, have you been drinking?"

Well, ol Grandpa, Korean war vet, Col. Army reserve, bellows out: "YOU'RE GOD-DAMNED RIGHT I'VE BEEN DRINKING -- WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK I'M DOING OUT HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NO WHERE...HUH?"

Trooper said: "Follow me" -- He took them right up to the door of my brother's place on the top of the mountain. No Ticket, no warning, just a handshake.

.

.

852 Banner  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:13:57pm

Obama is a racist. Read his freaking book.

853 freetoken  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:20:31pm

re: #852 Banner

Obama is a racist. Read his freaking book.

Well, since you must have read his book... why don't you highlight for us some of the paragraphs that support your opinion?

854 Banner  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:35:44pm

re: #853 freetoken

Well, since you must have read his book... why don't you highlight for us some of the paragraphs that support your opinion?

Because I don't feel like typing it all in. Go to that one section they always quote where he talks about the sermon he heard where he goes on and on about the waste of the white man, etc. Heck I have to wonder how many times in that book he used the phrase 'white man'.

855 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:04:12pm

re: #108 Charles

It's a derogatory term when used by a black person, and it's even more derogatory used by a white person.

I disagree with this statement. It's an equally derogatory term regardless of the user's race. To suggest otherwise would be discriminatory.

People of different races may have different backgrounds and experiences, but they are all equal as human beings and deserve to be treated as such.

856 livetotell  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:13:25pm

Obama is as much a racist as Al Sharpton and Jessie and Rev. Wright and Gates and Michelle .

857 Irenicum  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:17:58pm

re: #626 Charles

The crazy is strong there Obi Wan.

858 avspatti  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:53:00pm

re: #798 erraticsphinx

I agree.
When you are in your own house, and the police show up, the police need to be the ones showing YOU why they are there. Not the other way around.
If the office acted appropriately, in his opinion, why was the disorderly conduct charge dropped?

Many such charges are dropped when the department decides it is not worth the time and expense to pursue them. Not unusual from what I understand.

859 Austin from Boston  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 8:59:48pm

Following this line of discussion, along with the nirthers is just succumbing to OBD.

I know I cannot stand the facade that is Obama, but more time and discussion needs to be focused on his policies and a lot less on the veneer.

These types of opinions and discussions are only distracting from the facts of bad policy. (i.e removing trade restrictions on Syria)

...oh btw Waves, long time no see lizards been unable to post much and reading from work mostly.

860 el polacko  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 10:51:34pm

perhaps we can eschew the R-word.. but barack has shown on numerous occassions the he...ummm... has 'issues'.

861 finallyhere  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:56:35am

Obama joined Rev Wright church after taking class for newcomers in Black Liberation theology. Obama spent 20 years in that church and brought his kids there. Obama left the church only when it started to hurt his ambitions and Wright expressed what Obama considered "disrespect of St.Obama".

Obama is a racist and anti-Semite. His support of that loon Gates and his attempt to dictate where Jews can and cannot live and how many kids they can have prove the point.

862 papajohn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:12:44am

I'm gonna have to agree with Beck on this one.

863 America1  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:21:38am

re: #862 papajohn

Sadly, I have to also agree based on his own words and actions.

864 deathtotheswiss  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:47:19am

Beck is assuredly crazy, this we all know, but I assumed that it was obvious that Obama stereotyped every race and culture.

Can anyone really defend Obama as someone who does not hold preconceived notions about people he does not know based on their race?

865 LA Conservative  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:04:05pm

I think Beck was closer to the truth with calling him a racist than he was with the comment on Obama hating white people. Obama has used race his whole life to advance his cause (himself), has associated a racist church, and apparently thinks there is something called a "typical white person".

Furthermore, Beck is so right on with his reports on the Marxist take over of our country.

Charles, what the hell happened to you, man? You get hung up in your own religion of non-religion, and you are buying into this global warmism. I have a buddy who was so left-wing, he was kicked out of the army for trying to organize labor. He has come around to a conservative view point over the years, but still can't conceive of certain concepts because he still has liberal yolk on him from his formative years. I think you are like my buddy.


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